| 00:00.12 | Muisje | I think i just ruined debian by just doing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 00:00.23 | Muisje | it did 93 upgrades and now everything is messed up. |
| 00:01.16 | karsten | Muisje: Likely not everything. |
| 00:01.21 | karsten | !tell Muisje about smart questions. |
| 00:01.23 | fasta | karsten: Do you understand that I just want to be able to play e.g. two wav files at the same time? |
| 00:01.27 | karsten | fasta: alsa |
| 00:01.31 | karsten | fasta: I think. |
| 00:01.42 | karsten | fasta: Do you understand that I'm not a Linux audio expert? |
| 00:01.46 | fasta | karsten: yes |
| 00:01.54 | karsten | fasta: Good. |
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| 00:02.04 | fasta | karsten: it seems a rather basic thing to do: playing two files at the same time... |
| 00:02.21 | fasta | karsten: but I have never understood the linux sound system. |
| 00:02.31 | karsten | fasta: That's two of us. |
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| 00:02.54 | karsten | fasta: It keeps changing, and the docs are in flux and confused w/ a lot of out-of-date information. I've never quite found something definitive. |
| 00:02.59 | karsten | ... and current. |
| 00:03.02 | dan2 | alsa is good |
| 00:03.04 | h3sp4wn | fasta: setup dmix |
| 00:03.20 | dendrite | fasta: Look into jackd, maybe. |
| 00:03.23 | fasta | h3sp4wn: does that work regardless of the application that uses it? |
| 00:03.38 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Debian package? |
| 00:03.44 | Muisje | karsten i think it's best for me |
| 00:03.48 | dan2 | fasta: yes, as long as those applications only use alsa and not dsp |
| 00:03.52 | Muisje | to make backups of everything |
| 00:04.06 | Muisje | and then press the restart button hopingly it will magically fix itself with a reboot |
| 00:04.17 | karsten | Muisje: If you'll describe what's broken we can go about sorting to fix it. If you don't, we very clearly can't. |
| 00:04.24 | Muisje | well |
| 00:04.25 | karsten | Muisje: Things don't tend to get magickally fixed. |
| 00:04.29 | h3sp4wn | fasta: Yep - its part of alsa |
| 00:04.30 | Muisje | I can't tell what |
| 00:04.41 | dendrite | Magically broken, maybe. Fixed? Nah... |
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| 00:04.58 | fasta | h3sp4wn: uh, how do I start it? |
| 00:05.01 | Muisje | I told you one of the error but google gives me alot of useless links and you have no idea... |
| 00:05.10 | dendrite | Muisje: What symptoms are you seeing? What is not working as you expect, and how? |
| 00:05.38 | fasta | h3sp4wn: I don't have a binary named dmix on my system, nor is there a package called dmix. |
| 00:05.39 | Muisje | mysql is dieing. and if it's not it allows everyone to log in as root except without the password. |
| 00:05.45 | fasta | I do have alsa installed. |
| 00:05.47 | h3sp4wn | fasta: set it up from /etc/asound.conf - the alsa site has multiple examples of it (I wouldn't recommend jackd as without a kernel with realtime preemption it doesn't work) |
| 00:05.48 | Muisje | Shutdown no longer works, brings up a INIT error. |
| 00:06.08 | karsten | Muisje: You're seeing that error on shutdown? |
| 00:06.18 | DanC | hmm... I trued the clue from the bot but I'm still getting "The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F ..." when I try to apt-get update. clues? |
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| 00:06.21 | Muisje | yes karsten |
| 00:06.28 | cmatheson | i have an unusual problem that i am having difficulty debugging. i have a simple .xsession (it just has mplayer start playing a movie), but when x starts, there is no movie. x doesn't crash, and ps -fC 'mplayer' shows that the there is an mplayer process, but it's not using any cpu... what is going on? |
| 00:06.30 | dendrite | Muisje: what flavor of debian is this, and did you attempt to change the version? |
| 00:06.31 | h3sp4wn | fasta: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin (first link on google) |
| 00:06.37 | Muisje | shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
| 00:06.45 | Muisje | Flavor? sarge |
| 00:06.52 | karsten | Muisje: Go single user. Umount all your filesystems (but root). Remount root read-only. |
| 00:06.59 | Muisje | and no i have not tried to change version, i have no idea. |
| 00:07.07 | karsten | Muisje: then: sync; sync; sync; reboot -f |
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| 00:07.35 | Muisje | I don't trust it at this moment |
| 00:07.37 | karsten | Muisje: Which should get you shut down. Shutdown errors aren't particularly interesting. Startup errors are. |
| 00:07.43 | Muisje | so i'm currently downloading all IMPORTANT data on it. |
| 00:08.00 | Muisje | I do not want my data to be gone so ;) |
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| 00:08.31 | dendrite | Muisje: As far as application errors, like with MySQL, first thing is to get the basic system sane. Making a backup, as you seem to be doing, is a wise move. |
| 00:08.49 | Muisje | i just did the mysql |
| 00:08.51 | DanC | hmm... I'm winning at ftp.us.debian.org ; was losing with debian.csail.mit.edu |
| 00:08.57 | Muisje | now doing the www directory |
| 00:09.07 | Muisje | and everything else i can think of i might need again |
| 00:09.21 | karsten | Muisje: clean shutdowns and powered-off systems don't lose data. Bootstrapping via various means (edit GRUB conf, rescue boot w/ Knoppix, etc.) can generally get you back up again. |
| 00:09.21 | h3sp4wn | fasta: If you get issues with the sound stuttering - you should rebuild the kernel (use the exact same config as the debian kernel but use the CFQ io scheduler (set it to default) and set kernel preemption level to low latency desktop - If you want jackd to work you need these kernel patches http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ |
| 00:09.30 | dendrite | Muisje: /home /var/spool (mail, at least) |
| 00:09.53 | Muisje | it's no mail server ;) |
| 00:09.58 | dendrite | Muisje: I'll often grab /etc and /root as well, in a backup. |
| 00:10.05 | fasta | h3sp4wn: ok, using alsa player I can play multiple sounds at a time. |
| 00:10.08 | karsten | Muisje: backups, what to get: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html#whatback |
| 00:10.12 | dendrite | Muisje: As long as you don't have any email still in the queue. |
| 00:10.15 | Muisje | but yeah the /home dir is currently zipping aswell cause there's where all my www data is in |
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| 00:10.42 | fasta | h3sp4wn: I will /lastlog your remarks and use them when I will make it work completely. |
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| 00:19.27 | EKe2 | connection doesn't work when you're on a laptop and using wireless? |
| 00:19.28 | cmatheson | i'm calling exec mplayer ... in my .xsession and it's not working for some reason (the process is there, but it's not running). i straced it and there's a whole bunch of SIGTTOU stuff near the end of the file. could that be what's causing the stoppage? |
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| 00:21.25 | nvz | cmatheson: mplayer ... and? |
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| 00:21.40 | nvz | cmatheson: mplayer alone doesnt do anything it has no GUI |
| 00:21.49 | nvz | cmatheson: gmplayer maybe |
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| 00:22.56 | elif | cmatheson: what win manager do you use, some of then provides way to execute cmds at startup. |
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| 00:24.43 | Muisje | my /home is like 11 gb |
| 00:24.43 | rlinux | hi |
| 00:24.58 | rlinux | How to install new kernel? |
| 00:25.14 | karsten | !tell rlinux about install kernel |
| 00:25.39 | rlinux | apt-get install kernel-image-version |
| 00:25.46 | cmatheson | nvz: sorry, i didn't include the whole mplayer command, it's playing a movie... it works if i call it from the command line after X is started, but it doesn't work if i try it from the .xsession |
| 00:26.03 | cmatheson | elif: no window manager... i just want a full-screen movie playing |
| 00:26.58 | cmatheson | parts of the xsession work... i can get xsetroot to change the background color... but starting mplayer, xeyes, etc. just doesn't do the trick (like i said... if i run ps -fC <processname> it shows up, but it's not doing anything) |
| 00:27.45 | karsten | cmatheson: Most video players will go full-screen regardless of WM> |
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| 00:29.07 | cmatheson | karsten: sorry, it's not an issue of fullscreen, the real problem is that many programs won't start from my .xsession and i can't figure out why (get messages about SIGTTOU,TCGETS,etc from strace near the end) |
| 00:29.21 | karsten | cmatheson: How are you starting them? |
| 00:29.46 | karsten | cmatheson: Note that in ~/.xsesssion, the last non-backgrounded program runs (effectively as windowmanager), and when it exists, the X session ends. |
| 00:29.52 | karsten | cmatheson: So: exec foo & |
| 00:29.57 | karsten | cmatheson: ... for all but the last process. |
| 00:30.06 | rlinux | karsten: the dpgk nedeed correction |
| 00:30.14 | karsten | And that exec is probably redundant. |
| 00:30.15 | karsten | rlinux: ? |
| 00:30.24 | cmatheson | oh sorry, the sigtou may be because emy disk ran out of space . karsten: i am using exec foo ... didn't have the ampersand, i'll try that |
| 00:30.29 | karsten | rlinux: It's linux-image in testing/unstable. |
| 00:30.40 | karsten | cmatheson: That could be it.' |
| 00:30.57 | rlinux | karsten: thanks, this is correct now |
| 00:30.59 | karsten | cmatheson: FYI, this stuff is *much* easier to debug if you have a proper WM running, at least during development. |
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| 00:31.10 | karsten | !install kernel |
| 00:31.10 | dpkg | hmm... real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 00:31.27 | Muisje | karsten dendrite backups completed |
| 00:31.30 | karsten | install kernel is also That's linux-image-<foo> in etch/sid. |
| 00:31.39 | karsten | dpkg: install kernel is also That's linux-image-<foo> in etch/sid. |
| 00:31.40 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 00:31.41 | nvz | cmatheson: take out the exec for one thing |
| 00:31.45 | rlinux | karsten: ;-) |
| 00:31.46 | karsten | !install kernel |
| 00:31.46 | dpkg | it has been said that real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes That's linux-image-<foo> in etch/sid. |
| 00:31.47 | rj-- | Whois rj- |
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| 00:32.23 | elif | use the backlash rj-- |
| 00:32.39 | Muisje | i think reboot -f worked :p |
| 00:32.41 | karsten | cmatheson: If you don't want something heavyweight, there's always twm. |
| 00:32.49 | rj-- | ehe |
| 00:32.50 | karsten | Muisje: How'd startup go? |
| 00:33.15 | cmatheson | karsten: ok, i'll use the wm for now. i added the exec foo &, but w/ the ampersand the x session just exits immediately (no errors in the xsession though) |
| 00:33.22 | cmatheson | nvz: no exec? |
| 00:33.25 | Muisje | probably crappy lol hold on |
| 00:33.38 | rlinux | bye |
| 00:33.40 | karsten | cmatheson: *LAST* command in ~/.xsession should be "exec <command>" |
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| 00:33.49 | DaveyB | Guys I know how to program databases, but I don't know how to setup the ODBC driver within linux to do it. Anyone know how I do this, I have got HSQL Database Manager? |
| 00:33.51 | karsten | cmatheson: If that command is *NOT* persistant, your X session will die. |
| 00:33.54 | elif | cmathson: I think its also possible to run mplayer direct from the tty, without X server, use fb as the driver. |
| 00:34.17 | karsten | elif: Right, but that restricts you to FB resolution and performance (eg: no video accel) |
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| 00:34.44 | cmatheson | karsten: ok, i'm not sure why it's not persistant though... i did try mplayer blah & exec xterm and that does work (thanks) |
| 00:34.52 | cmatheson | elif: hmm, that would be nice too, i'll look into that |
| 00:34.54 | elif | yeah I know, but seems the problem with cmathson is a low speed computer... isn't right? |
| 00:35.00 | karsten | cmatheson: ... untill you close that xterm |
| 00:35.08 | karsten | elif: I didn't catch specs. |
| 00:35.10 | Muisje | i think it magically fixed itself |
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| 00:35.27 | nvz | cmatheson: no why the hell would you want to exec something like that |
| 00:35.31 | karsten | Muisje: OK. If not, explain symptoms. |
| 00:35.43 | Muisje | Yes it's all good again :| |
| 00:35.52 | Muisje | i did had to press the reset button |
| 00:36.06 | Muisje | it didn't restart it just started blinking a underscore on a black screen |
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| 00:36.41 | cmatheson | elif: hmm, fbdev[2] says 'selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.' |
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| 00:37.03 | cmatheson | karsten: this is really just supposed to be a dumb display that loops a video all the time, so there won't be any controls attached to it |
| 00:37.13 | dan2 | karsten: what's the domain for email users on sourceforge? |
| 00:37.23 | karsten | cmatheson: OK. Might look into "kiosk mode" setups. |
| 00:37.23 | dan2 | is it users.sourceforge.net? |
| 00:37.32 | karsten | dan2: NFC. |
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| 00:37.42 | elif | cmatheson: so I ran out of ideas... sorry.. |
| 00:37.49 | cmatheson | elif: that's ok, thanks |
| 00:37.55 | cmatheson | karsten: yea, i should look into that sort of thing |
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| 00:38.10 | Muisje | karsten, some things i do need to recompile because of the updates that i did. But besides that it is not showing anything that would look like malfunction of debian |
| 00:38.27 | karsten | Muisje: OK. |
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| 00:39.14 | DaveyB | Guys I know how to program databases, but I don't know how to setup the ODBC driver within linux to do it. Anyone know how I do this, I have got HSQL Database Manager? |
| 00:39.32 | karsten | !tell DaveyB about repeat |
| 00:40.28 | DaveyB | karsten, my question went off the screen on my PC, so I thought it may have done so on other peoples machines, so I thought it would be a good idea to repeat it. Sorry if that offended you. |
| 00:40.29 | karsten | DaveyB: That's probably more specific to your DB engine. |
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| 00:40.47 | karsten | DaveyB: Point is there doesn't appear to be anyone here who can help you. |
| 00:40.54 | karsten | DaveyB: Barking up the wrong tree, so to speak. |
| 00:41.07 | DaveyB | karsten, I guess so, thankyou for your assistance though. |
| 00:41.33 | karsten | DaveyB: http://www.easysoft.com/developer/interfaces/odbc/linux.html |
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| 00:42.11 | karsten | Um, thanks, guy. |
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| 00:42.54 | karsten | I also see about 94 ODBC-related packages in apt-cache search. Don't use it m'self. |
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| 00:45.00 | kingsley | Is there a way to play a video in a window manager's root window? |
| 00:45.40 | karsten | kingsley: In general, mplayer & xine have fullscreen options. |
| 00:45.44 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: depends on the wm |
| 00:45.55 | karsten | kingsley: If you mean as background, that's another story, not sure. |
| 00:46.06 | karsten | kingsley: fullscreen at bottom of window stack, maybe. |
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| 00:53.44 | |_ocke | where is the X config stored in debian? |
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| 00:54.26 | elif | |_ocke: /etc/X11/ |
| 00:54.38 | |_ocke | hmm |
| 00:54.51 | kieran | Anyone here that can help me reinstall grub? |
| 00:55.00 | |_ocke | i just ran xf86config and generated my XF86config file and it didnt seem to use it |
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| 00:55.15 | karsten | |_ocke: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 00:55.56 | karsten | |_ocke: xf86 or xorg? What release, sarge or etch? Generally: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-(xfree86|xorg) |
| 00:56.06 | |_ocke | sarge i think |
| 00:56.15 | karsten | |_ocke: Then xfree86 |
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| 00:56.23 | karsten | lunaphyte: xf86config is old news. |
| 00:56.30 | Toothpick | What's usually the culprit if you can't open a terminal in x? |
| 00:56.44 | karsten | Toothpick: Failure is what I generally blame. |
| 00:56.52 | karsten | Toothpick: How are you opening it? From where? What output? |
| 00:56.52 | |_ocke | hmm |
| 00:56.53 | |_ocke | cool |
| 00:57.17 | karsten | Toothpick: I'd start by checkind $DISPLAY and userid vs. who's running X. |
| 00:57.25 | |_ocke | this thing has a SiS 530 |
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| 00:57.29 | Toothpick | Thanks |
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| 00:57.36 | |_ocke | i set it as sis and it didnt work |
| 00:57.40 | Toothpick | I'll check that, I did do a removal of xdm maybe I needed that. |
| 00:57.43 | mooseman089 | hey |
| 00:58.00 | |_ocke | lspci gives 0000:01:00.0 for the video card |
| 00:58.16 | mooseman089 | whats up |
| 00:58.17 | |_ocke | so i put "PCI:1:0:0" for BusID |
| 00:58.20 | |_ocke | and it doesnt work |
| 00:58.33 | karsten | |_ocke: Don't put in a BusID entry. |
| 00:58.46 | |_ocke | it did it in initial install :P |
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| 01:00.30 | aramirez | hi, I can't install High Definition Audio controler on DEbian Sarge kernel 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 01:01.40 | aramirez | alsaconf show the message "No supported PnP or PCI card found". Are there some driver for this sound card |
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| 01:02.53 | Eskas | I'm also having trouble with alsa. It seems like there's some collision with oss. When I runs alsaconf everything's just fine. Then i use alsactl store and reboot. When rebooted I'm back at square one. |
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| 01:04.18 | |_ocke | k so now X is failing cause of my mouse |
| 01:04.25 | |_ocke | the mouse is PS/2 HP wheelmouse |
| 01:04.32 | deadcat | is make-kpkg broken? |
| 01:04.34 | |_ocke | first /dev/input/mice didnt exist |
| 01:04.38 | |_ocke | now /dev/mouse doesnt exist |
| 01:04.41 | |_ocke | where should it be |
| 01:05.50 | karsten | !tell |_ocke about mouse |
| 01:06.18 | karsten | |_ocke: usb or ps/2 |
| 01:06.25 | karsten | |_ocke: Doh. |
| 01:07.18 | |_ocke | lol |
| 01:07.18 | |_ocke | ps2 |
| 01:07.27 | karsten | |_ocke: Right. What kernel? 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 01:07.30 | |_ocke | wow i like how konversation just loads the jpg in a window real quick |
| 01:07.31 | |_ocke | 2.6 |
| 01:07.36 | |_ocke | i think |
| 01:07.43 | |_ocke | its the latest netinst |
| 01:07.45 | karsten | |_ocke: Or: /msg dpkg listkeys mouse and check the factoids. |
| 01:07.48 | karsten | |_ocke: uname -r |
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| 01:07.55 | karsten | |_ocke: ... tells you kernel version |
| 01:07.57 | |_ocke | 2.4 |
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| 01:08.06 | |_ocke | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 01:08.06 | |_ocke | weak |
| 01:08.10 | |_ocke | oh well |
| 01:08.12 | |_ocke | its not for a power user |
| 01:08.21 | |_ocke | just someone that wants to browse the internet and do email and stuff |
| 01:08.30 | karsten | |_ocke: install mdetect, modprobe psaux, try reconfiguring X |
| 01:09.01 | |_ocke | k installing mdetect |
| 01:09.34 | |_ocke | cant locate module psaux |
| 01:09.40 | karsten | Interesting. |
| 01:10.03 | karsten | try: modprobe mousedev usbmouse |
| 01:10.11 | |_ocke | its not usb |
| 01:10.12 | karsten | erm, just the first. |
| 01:10.14 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 01:10.19 | |_ocke | hehe |
| 01:10.24 | karsten | psmouse instead. |
| 01:10.27 | Xorm | Alexander the Great was a great general; Great generals are forewarned; To be forewarned is to be forewarned; Four is an odd number of arms for a man; The only number that is both odd and even is infinity; Therefore Alexander the Great had an infinite number of arms. |
| 01:10.28 | karsten | ... of usbmouse |
| 01:10.29 | |_ocke | mice: mouse device common for all mice |
| 01:10.33 | MatBoy | damn, if something could keep me awake... I would buy it |
| 01:10.43 | Xorm | methamphetamine? |
| 01:10.57 | karsten | MatBoy: Succumb to sleep. |
| 01:11.11 | |_ocke | yeah meth would keep you up |
| 01:11.14 | MatBoy | Xorm, na... I was thinking about a beautiful woman |
| 01:12.01 | MatBoy | or an ugly one... she scares me so much that I stay awake.. you never know what will happen :) |
| 01:12.13 | Xorm | hahaha. |
| 01:12.46 | MatBoy | good point is... ugly women are cheaper :) so I save money :D |
| 01:14.47 | |_ocke | k /dev/input/mice exists |
| 01:14.47 | |_ocke | oh hey |
| 01:14.47 | |_ocke | alright got x up |
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| 01:16.03 | |_ocke | damn mouse doesnt work though |
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| 01:20.56 | nono31 | what's your favorite mail server? |
| 01:21.22 | dondelelcaro | I like sendmail, but you're probably better off using exim or postfix. |
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| 01:21.47 | rj_ | exchange |
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| 01:23.50 | SubSz | anywone know a good WMA player? |
| 01:23.54 | elif | There is anyway to have a keyboard short-cut to toggle the focus to another screen ?! |
| 01:24.04 | elif | in using gnome |
| 01:24.08 | elif | I'm |
| 01:24.11 | Jemt | Greetz. Can someone help me get my wireless working ? Running 'dmesg' gives me the following error (eth2 is my Cisco WiFi card) : 'eth2: firmware atmel_at76c502_3com.bin is missing, cannot start.' |
| 01:24.21 | SubSz | elif other desktop? |
| 01:24.33 | elif | yes. |
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| 01:25.37 | SubSz | click with right bottom -> add panel -> Alternate Desktops ( im using br version so..) |
| 01:25.44 | Jemt | SubSz: You should be able to use Xine, mPlayer or similar using the w32codecs (whichs add support for WMV) |
| 01:25.45 | SubSz | alternative |
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| 01:25.51 | g3brown | I'm looking at /disks/sdc1 which is an ext usb hd at /dev/sdc1. Says device is busy when I try to umount it. I tried to umount it because when I tried to create a file on it, it says it is in read only mode. It was working yesterday. Any idea? |
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| 01:26.03 | SubSz | Jemt its possible install with apt-get? |
| 01:27.14 | SubSz | . |
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| 01:28.04 | Toothpick | Is there a sid help channel? |
| 01:28.11 | SubSz | -.- |
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| 01:28.28 | zinx | Toothpick: nope, you don't get help if you use sid |
| 01:28.33 | |_ocke | so.. how can i read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz |
| 01:28.34 | Jemt | SubSz: It dosn't help spamming the channel. Give me a second... |
| 01:28.44 | |_ocke | pico and gedit give gibberish, tar zxvf says bad file |
| 01:28.44 | SubSz | Jemt ok ;x |
| 01:28.50 | |_ocke | read is just sitting there.. |
| 01:28.52 | elif | I look here, but found no Alternate Desktop, but still, I don't wanna have to click on an icon, just to have the keyboard shortcut.. |
| 01:28.52 | Toothpick | ouch zinx |
| 01:29.17 | Toothpick | but I understand, nearly every time I do a dist-upgrade something stops working temporarily. |
| 01:29.34 | ahlfors | Toothpick, that's what running SID is all about. |
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| 01:30.08 | ahlfors | Toothpick, ask your question anyway |
| 01:31.01 | Toothpick | Well, I lost my ability to open a terminal in X |
| 01:31.46 | SubSz | elif aa.. i dont know it ;/ |
| 01:31.47 | Toothpick | Konsole is unable to open a PTY (pseudo teletype). It is likely that this is due to an incorrect configuration of the PTY devices. Konsole needs to have read/write access to the PTY devices. |
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| 01:34.41 | elif | SubSz: thks anyway ! |
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| 01:35.37 | SubSz | ;x |
| 01:35.58 | SubSz | elif its possible add a keyboard shorcut to open firefox(example) ? |
| 01:36.08 | SubSz | if yes how? ;xx |
| 01:36.12 | Jemt | SubSz: I can only find the Ubuntu package. Should work on Debian though |
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| 01:36.38 | denmaeth | why does it take so long to open open office in etch? |
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| 01:36.49 | dondelelcaro | denmaeth: because open office is huge. |
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| 01:37.07 | mikedeb4 | denmaeth: power,lots of it |
| 01:37.27 | denmaeth | that makes sence |
| 01:37.29 | d0uglas | how can i install atk-bridge? |
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| 01:41.51 | elif | SubSz: yes, I think so, but I have to look up here to remember... I think I have I'all ready did something like that. |
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| 01:43.40 | Jemt | How can I unload a module (the reverse of 'modprobe') ? |
| 01:43.49 | dendrite | Jemt: rmmod |
| 01:43.53 | Jemt | Thanks |
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| 01:43.58 | dvs | Jemt: modprobe -r |
| 01:45.08 | Jemt | dendrite & dvs: That will only be temperary - until I restart, right ? |
| 01:45.18 | dendrite | Jemt: Yes. |
| 01:45.20 | Jemt | Thanks |
| 01:45.36 | dvs | Jemt: if you didn't load it there manually, yes |
| 01:45.54 | Jemt | Thanks :) |
| 01:46.29 | dendrite | After reading the man pages, I conclude that modprobe -r is the better bet. |
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| 01:46.46 | dvs | yay! |
| 01:46.52 | dendrite | dvs: =) |
| 01:46.56 | Jemt | dendrite: Thanks :) |
| 01:46.56 | dendrite | !win dvs |
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| 01:46.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, dvs! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 01:47.07 | dvs | damn! |
| 01:47.07 | Jemt | O.O |
| 01:47.09 | Jemt | What ?! |
| 01:47.27 | dendrite | dvs: They make great holiday decorations. |
| 01:47.42 | elif | SubSz: Yeah rigth, just goto Keyboard Shortcuts and you'll see an entry: "launch web browser", set your web browser in your prefered app. (yet under the desktop preferences menu). But I think you would like to run an arbitrary cmd.. I don't know exactly how to do it |
| 01:47.45 | w4rl0ck | alguem ja teve problema com o azureus de DhT Firewalled ... mas com a nat ok e sem regras no iptables modem bridge ? |
| 01:47.59 | dendrite | !pt |
| 01:48.00 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:48.08 | w4rl0ck | sorry |
| 01:48.36 | dendrite | w4rl0ck: No problem, just that we have no idea how to decode Portuguese. |
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| 01:50.27 | w4rl0ck | my modem is dsl bridge... my azureus got nat ok... but have dht firewalled yellow... no have rules in iptables.. how ppl have some problem ? |
| 01:51.25 | dendrite | w4rl0ck: Explain what you mean by "have dht firewalled yellow" |
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| 01:52.33 | rj_ | his talking about bit torrent dht |
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| 01:52.49 | dendrite | rj_: Yeah, I'm slowly piecing it together. |
| 01:53.10 | dendrite | w4rl0ck: Possibly your ISP is the cause? |
| 01:53.34 | w4rl0ck | dendrite not .. in windows same port no have problems... |
| 01:54.17 | dendrite | w4rl0ck: Hmm. No clue, sorry. |
| 01:54.39 | w4rl0ck | dendrite im dont understand... cuz.. in sid.. i dont have problems... but in sarge >.< |
| 01:54.48 | EKe2 | !find milfhunter |
| 01:54.54 | EKe2 | @find milfhunter |
| 01:55.00 | ahlfors | EKe2, wrong channel man |
| 01:55.06 | dendrite | w4rl0ck: Is there anything in BTS? |
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| 01:56.02 | w4rl0ck | dendrite same version... only... diference java not official. |
| 01:56.20 | w4rl0ck | got in apt-get.org |
| 01:56.34 | dendrite | w4rl0ck: Ah. Well, Java could be the difference, for sure. |
| 01:57.18 | w4rl0ck | dendrite i go to testing for test... hehehe thx |
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| 02:03.32 | Pons | guys, has any of you had any trouble with k3b not finding growisofs? |
| 02:03.34 | livingtm | Has anyone here had any experience with RAIDs usign debian? |
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| 02:04.51 | dondelelcaro | livingtm: lots of people do. |
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| 02:05.22 | xczxccx | hello, i just have small question,here in my network, linux uses 192.168.0.1 but if another person in that network put 192.168.0.1 as his ip it stops linux , is there a way to protect linux ? |
| 02:05.26 | livingtm | dondelelcaro, Im wondering if RAID1 with a few standard DATA drives is worthwhile |
| 02:05.47 | livingtm | er, SATA |
| 02:06.07 | dondelelcaro | livingtm: sure; it'll help insulate you from certain types of drive failure. |
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| 02:06.30 | dondelelcaro | xczxccx: it won't stop linux, but you may not get all of the packets destined for you. |
| 02:06.32 | dendrite | xczxccx: No, that's a weakness of IP networks. |
| 02:06.47 | livingtm | dondelelcaro, what types WONT it help with |
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| 02:08.02 | xczxccx | dondelelcaro it is stopping it |
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| 02:08.52 | dondelelcaro | livingtm: if a drive fails silently (writing wrong data, etc) it's not easily detectable |
| 02:09.02 | xczxccx | i mean linux is tha server forwarding internet, if any computer puts 192.168.0.1 as the server it stops the internet on all the pcs |
| 02:09.04 | dondelelcaro | (or discernable, really; hard to know which drive has failed) |
| 02:09.28 | livingtm | dondelelcaro, thts not really avoidable on any systme is it? |
| 02:09.33 | dondelelcaro | livingtm: nope |
| 02:09.54 | dondelelcaro | (and with modern drives it's pretty dang rare) |
| 02:10.00 | dondelelcaro | they usuall blow up. |
| 02:10.09 | dvs | O_o |
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| 02:10.21 | dvs | like notebook batteries? |
| 02:10.33 | livingtm | dondelelcaro, how about cheap raid controllers.. i see something on compusa.com for instance for 60 bucks.. SATAII raid controller |
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| 02:12.51 | dondelelcaro | livingtm: that's not a raid controller; it's a SATA controller with software raid |
| 02:12.56 | xczxccx | dendrite what do u suggest me to do? |
| 02:13.40 | livingtm | dondelelcaro, hm, says it does RAID1 and RAID2 |
| 02:13.47 | livingtm | er, 0 and 1 sorry |
| 02:13.57 | dvs | livingtm: but it's still software RAID |
| 02:14.10 | livingtm | dondelelcaro, how is that different than jsut plugging in two drives to the motherboard |
| 02:14.16 | dondelelcaro | livingtm: it isn't, really. |
| 02:14.33 | livingtm | why do they call it a raid controller then? |
| 02:16.54 | abrotman | same reason they call a winmodem a modem |
| 02:17.04 | livingtm | hehe |
| 02:17.08 | dvs | heh |
| 02:17.18 | livingtm | so is there anhy performance increase to a software raid? |
| 02:17.31 | livingtm | or do you need to go hardware to gain performance |
| 02:17.31 | dvs | livingtm: it's a decrease actually. |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | which is a decrease ... |
| 02:18.19 | livingtm | either way? or only with software |
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| 02:18.24 | bodhisatva | anyone awake? |
| 02:18.27 | bodhisatva | i have a non computer related question |
| 02:18.32 | dvs | zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 02:18.36 | Pryon | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 02:18.43 | bodhisatva | why is it called "the birds and the bees?" |
| 02:18.49 | dvs | oh geesh |
| 02:18.57 | Pryon | why is it called google? |
| 02:18.57 | bodhisatva | no really |
| 02:19.11 | bodhisatva | but birds dont do anything with bees |
| 02:20.13 | livingtm | Is raid a reasonable alternative to tape backup? :-) |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | try a social channel .. this isn't one |
| 02:20.33 | abrotman | livingtm: no |
| 02:21.05 | Pryon | livingtm: a raid won't save you from an accidental 'rm -rf' |
| 02:21.16 | livingtm | good point |
| 02:21.27 | bodhisatva | yeah you abviously wouldent know anything about birds and bees |
| 02:21.36 | dvs | livingtm: or a power surge |
| 02:21.45 | abrotman | bodhisatva: please .. try a social channel .. this isn't one . or ask your parents |
| 02:21.49 | abrotman | or google |
| 02:21.58 | livingtm | google... hehehehe |
| 02:22.06 | livingtm | is that what we've come to? |
| 02:22.09 | abrotman | i wasn't joking |
| 02:22.16 | livingtm | i know. |
| 02:22.18 | livingtm | hehe |
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| 02:24.03 | toothpick | Have you have ever lost the ability to open a terminal in x? PTY error (Running sid) |
| 02:24.08 | livingtm | So if theres performance degredation, and a tape backup is better, theres no reason to raid |
| 02:24.19 | bodhisatva | i am not asking about anal penetration i was just asking about the saying "the birds and the bees" |
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| 02:24.39 | bodhisatva | moron. |
| 02:24.39 | Pryon | livingtm: You might consider a large hard disk dedicated to backups as superior to tape |
| 02:24.50 | abrotman | bodhisatva: please go .. you're severely offtopic |
| 02:25.07 | bodhisatva | no you are out of line |
| 02:25.16 | Pryon | livingtm: A disk is much faster and cheaper and probably at least as reliable. |
| 02:25.19 | bodhisatva | you cant handle the truth |
| 02:25.23 | abrotman | !ops bodhisatva |
| 02:25.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: bodhisatva |
| 02:25.34 | livingtm | Pryon, what are the odds two will fail at a critical moment, right? |
| 02:25.45 | abrotman | livingtm: actually .. you'd be surprised |
| 02:25.46 | craigevil | !sex |
| 02:25.46 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 02:25.57 | livingtm | abrotman, i suppose, a flood or fire.. right? |
| 02:26.06 | livingtm | offsite |
| 02:26.08 | Pryon | livingtm: Oh, I wasn't recommending a RAID, I meant consider just a single disk |
| 02:26.15 | abrotman | livingtm: have you ever read the BARF site ? |
| 02:26.15 | livingtm | Pryon, right |
| 02:26.20 | livingtm | no :-) |
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| 02:26.44 | abrotman | grr .. now i have to find it |
| 02:26.50 | livingtm | hehe] |
| 02:26.51 | Pryon | Better yet, back up to a RAID (1) |
| 02:26.54 | livingtm | its not barf.com |
| 02:27.21 | livingtm | is there a technology, or open source project to do offsite backups periodically? |
| 02:27.23 | Pryon | still cheaper than a tape drive of similar capacity. |
| 02:27.32 | abrotman | livingtm: http://miracleas.com/BAARF/ |
| 02:27.37 | abrotman | livingtm: i got it wrong .. it's baarf |
| 02:27.59 | Pryon | offsite backups - you mean like over a network? Several choices |
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| 02:30.18 | livingtm | abrotman, cute :-) |
| 02:30.37 | abrotman | livingtm: it just discusses it a bit .. have a salt shaker handy :) |
| 02:31.00 | livingtm | so, lets say i have an offsite server.. is there good softrware out there to do synchs/backups/etc? |
| 02:31.10 | abrotman | rsync ? |
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| 02:31.27 | livingtm | abrotman, would that perform backups? |
| 02:31.35 | abrotman | read the docs |
| 02:31.36 | krenin | Hello... I have a question about WiFi; since I'll be using it with Debian, is it O.K. to ask here? |
| 02:31.38 | Daveman | evening, abrotman :) |
| 02:31.44 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 02:31.49 | abrotman | krenin: you can try |
| 02:31.55 | Daveman | how are things lately, abrotman? - the usual? |
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| 02:32.05 | abrotman | Daveman: i'm tired :) |
| 02:32.31 | krenin | O.K. I need to connect my upstairs P.C. to my downstairs home network. If I buy two WiFi Access Points, can they connect to each other and do the trick? Also, how does the encryption/security work on WiFi? Is it safe? |
| 02:32.50 | abrotman | krenin: ask #wireless .. but i htink you're asking about bridging |
| 02:33.15 | livingtm | krenin, how about two wifi card and one accesspoint? |
| 02:33.44 | h3sp4wn | krenin: WDS is what you are talking about - Make sure both ap's are the same brand (alot of WDS implimentations don't follow the standard) |
| 02:33.59 | krenin | Well I want to use wired cards since I've already got them... |
| 02:34.26 | Daveman | heh |
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| 02:34.39 | krenin | And also wired cards for compatibility reasons... |
| 02:34.42 | Daveman | wireless bridging :( |
| 02:35.21 | livingtm | wifi cards are pretty cheap these days, as compared to access points, arent they? |
| 02:35.25 | krenin | Wikipedia says that WiFi access points can connect to "any compatible device"; I kinda assume this also means another WiFi access point... |
| 02:35.38 | krenin | Access points can be just about as cheap... |
| 02:35.52 | SubStack | there is a repeater mode |
| 02:35.53 | krenin | Anyway I want to use the same ethernet card on FreeDOS, Linux, and Windows XP one one machine... |
| 02:36.11 | krenin | No one is answering in #wireless... |
| 02:36.16 | h3sp4wn | krenin: I have the setup you describe at home (but I don't bridge I route) - 2 x wgt634u accesspoints (used as clients) (development version of openwrt) - 1 x gateway 7001 main router (development version of openwrt) |
| 02:36.17 | SubStack | also some wireless mesh topologies |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | krenin: be patient |
| 02:37.48 | krenin | abrotman: Someone in #wireless said it's a telco thing and no one in there knows about WiFi. |
| 02:37.52 | krenin | ...so I left the channel. |
| 02:38.13 | krenin | h3sp4wn: can you do the same thing basically with just two access points? |
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| 02:39.02 | krenin | Such as with my setup, what I am trying to do: 1 WiFi access point upstairs connected to one PC with wired ethernet card, and 1 WiFi access point downstairs connected to wired ethernet switch, which is connected to the rest of my computers. |
| 02:39.04 | h3sp4wn | krenin: WDS would do it (and allow wireless clients to connect to either accesspoint) - I just use my accesspoints in client mode |
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| 02:41.19 | krenin | h3sp4wn: So just set WDS on both access points or only one? |
| 02:41.48 | h3sp4wn | krenin: It would be both |
| 02:42.08 | h3sp4wn | krenin: I never use the stock firmwares so I don't know though |
| 02:42.17 | h3sp4wn | krenin: How to use them |
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| 02:43.28 | livingtm | abrotman, ok, so raidX is uselessbasically |
| 02:43.32 | Pryon | krenin: I know you said the APs cost the same as the cards, but wouldn't it be technically simpler to just use a wireless card upstairs and a single AP down? |
| 02:43.33 | h3sp4wn | krenin: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/bcm947xx/wgt634u/ (or you can run debian if you buy netgear wgt634u's and give them flash drives - its quite slow though I have tried it not really useful for much |
| 02:43.58 | abrotman | livingtm: you forgot your salt shaker |
| 02:44.58 | livingtm | abrotman, i must not have read that part |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | livingtm: and that site is about raid5 .. there are plenty of other raid levels |
| 02:45.45 | livingtm | abrotman, OI think youve convinced me of rsync :-) what advantage does raid hold over a good backup schedule |
| 02:46.17 | abrotman | if a single drive goes .. it doesn't go down instantly ? |
| 02:46.23 | abrotman | (assuming it's not RAID0) |
| 02:47.24 | krenin | I'm using a wired card on my P.C. upstairs for compatibility reasons. |
| 02:47.34 | krenin | ... anyway looks like I'll try the WDS mode thing... thanks, guys |
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| 02:48.57 | ahlfors | RAID is not a replacement for regular backups |
| 02:49.10 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:50.07 | deceptacon | i have a broken package setiathome, how do i get rid of it? synaptic keeps telling me run dpkg --configure -a. when i do, it tries to get setiathome from ssl.berkeley.edu and the website obviously isnt working |
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| 02:51.41 | stew | go tigers |
| 02:51.46 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | not bad for a 41 year old :) |
| 02:52.07 | stew | yeah |
| 02:52.12 | stew | that was one heck of an ovation |
| 02:52.20 | abrotman | he deserved it |
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| 02:57.33 | liable | deceptacon: dpkg cant remove it either? |
| 02:58.07 | deceptacon | i got rid of it via dselect, im wondering what the problem is with the website :/ |
| 02:58.45 | liable | how would we know :) |
| 02:59.00 | enouf | blankees |
| 02:59.12 | abrotman | deceptacon: it works here |
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| 03:00.03 | livingtm | abrotman, are there any packages that perform as backup systems using rsych? something to configure scheduling and such? |
| 03:00.13 | abrotman | cron ? |
| 03:00.19 | dan2 | abrotman: aye |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | hi |
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| 03:00.37 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm thinking 28 - 21 cowboys on sunday, what do you think |
| 03:00.40 | ahlfors | livingtm, backup2l |
| 03:00.41 | livingtm | abrotman, hehe okay, something to manage what as well as when |
| 03:00.45 | dan2 | abrotman: or maybe 35 14 |
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| 03:00.51 | abrotman | dan2: you'll be an eagles fan again! :) |
| 03:00.58 | dan2 | abrotman: what? |
| 03:01.01 | dan2 | abrotman: cowboys rock |
| 03:01.03 | abrotman | livingtm: eh .. a script? dunno .. try apt-cache search |
| 03:01.19 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm thinking about contacting the Great Dennis Ritchie |
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| 03:01.51 | abrotman | what are the odds? |
| 03:02.07 | enouf | livingtm: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/15/1931240 |
| 03:02.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:03.17 | ahlfors | livingtm, backup2l is an rsync-based backup solution |
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| 03:03.49 | livingtm | enouf, ahlfors thanks.. im reading up |
| 03:06.03 | dan2 | abrotman: do you ever leave this place? |
| 03:06.15 | abrotman | dan2: i went to reading tonight .. good enough ? |
| 03:06.35 | dan2 | abrotman: reading sucks, ok, it's good enough |
| 03:07.04 | abrotman | reading isn't that bad .. but i bet you've been there all of twice .. so we'll skip your opinion :) |
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| 03:07.17 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 03:07.25 | lkthomas | what program could I use to do partition on HDD ? |
| 03:07.29 | lordnazgul | here is my conundrum: I have dynamic ip (cable) it doesnt change too often, but im hosting like 6 domains. So its a pain to update dns when it changes (I am still using my registrar's dns servers). So here is the idea that i have for a solution. I would like to set up my server as the primary dns and have my registrar's be the secondary. The twist comes in that I want to auto update it. I figure that if i get a dyndns domain. |
| 03:07.30 | abrotman | fdisk |
| 03:07.53 | danieldg | lkthomas: I like cfdisk, it's a bit easier to use than fdisk |
| 03:08.02 | liable | lordnazgul: basic partitioning of an empty fisk or resizing? |
| 03:08.12 | lkthomas | thanks |
| 03:08.14 | liable | s/fisk/disk/ |
| 03:08.15 | dan2 | abrotman: is Albright in reading? |
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| 03:08.24 | abrotman | NE reading .. but yeah |
| 03:08.25 | lordnazgul | liable ?? |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | lordnazgul: he got hte wrong person |
| 03:08.37 | peterS | lordnazgul: don't use a dynamic IP as a primary name server. updating the .com or .org zone every time you get a new IP is a major evil |
| 03:08.38 | danieldg | lordnazgul: can you set up CNAME records so that you just have to update one? |
| 03:08.38 | liable | lordnazgul: wrong nick, sorry.. |
| 03:08.40 | dan2 | abrotman: Albright is a terrible place, end of story |
| 03:08.45 | dan2 | abrotman: won't think twice |
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| 03:08.58 | abrotman | dan2: no .. it's not .. but we can't all be spoiled like you :) |
| 03:09.38 | dan2 | abrotman: you didn't have to do football camp there when it was over 90 degrees out and you were running and/or lifting 10 hrs per day |
| 03:09.42 | lordnazgul | danieldg would the visible name in the browser remain my domain or would it change to what the cname points to? |
| 03:09.45 | dan2 | abrotman: it's enough to make you hate anything |
| 03:09.54 | abrotman | dan2: oh poor you .. your parents paid for you to go to camp .. life is rough |
| 03:09.55 | dan2 | abrotman: did I mention full pads? |
| 03:09.56 | danieldg | lordnazgul: visible name would remain |
| 03:10.27 | lordnazgul | danieldg so i wouldnt have to change any of my virtual domain settings for apache, exim, etc? |
| 03:10.28 | dan2 | abrotman: actually it was part of the school football team |
| 03:10.40 | danieldg | lordnazgul: that is correct |
| 03:10.42 | abrotman | i lived in reading for 1.5 years .. |
| 03:11.03 | dan2 | abrotman: that's 2 years too many |
| 03:11.10 | lordnazgul | danieldg. Thanks I guess i was making it WAY to complex |
| 03:11.23 | abrotman | dan2: it was in college .. |
| 03:11.26 | livingtm | are there any decent GUIs for rsync or backup2l? |
| 03:11.35 | dan2 | abrotman: you went to albright? |
| 03:11.35 | abrotman | vi ? |
| 03:11.35 | livingtm | (im a wuss, yess) |
| 03:11.40 | abrotman | dan2: no |
| 03:11.45 | livingtm | abrotman, :-p |
| 03:11.49 | dan2 | abrotman: where did you go? |
| 03:11.55 | abrotman | dan2: i'm sure i know way more about reading than you ever will :) |
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| 03:12.06 | dan2 | good answer, and I hope it stays that way |
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| 03:12.21 | abrotman | yeah .. better to never leave your parents safehaven |
| 03:12.33 | krenin | O.K., I found a WiFi access point that can do bridging and ordered 2 of them... Thanks for your help, guys... Laters... |
| 03:12.35 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm more interested in a one way ticket to california |
| 03:12.36 | liable | livingtm: only gui one i can think of it partimage, and i dunno if it does networked backups |
| 03:12.42 | dan2 | abrotman: to San Jose |
| 03:12.53 | abrotman | have fun |
| 03:13.13 | livingtm | i see ubuntu has a web based one... but i dont typically want a web server on my laptops |
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| 03:16.15 | livingtm | thanks for your help.. g'night |
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| 03:17.43 | linuxmigration | is there any firewall or firewall config tool that is particurlarly good for debian? (i.e. works best on debian and/or is the best available debian) |
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| 03:18.53 | stazich | hi, has anyone got Debian here running on Apple Imac?? |
| 03:19.10 | Coweater | which imac? |
| 03:19.12 | peterS | stazich: there are so many machines labeled "iMac" that you have to be more specific |
| 03:19.26 | lkthomas | I have a question |
| 03:19.37 | lkthomas | why openssl lib does not exists in dselect menu ? |
| 03:19.40 | peterS | stazich: also, that is not your real question anyway. you don't care if we're running debian on imacs. you have some other question related to that. just ask that instead |
| 03:19.48 | peterS | lkthomas: look for 'libssl0.9.8' |
| 03:20.06 | lkthomas | libssl0.9.8 does not appear to be available |
| 03:20.11 | stazich | iMac DV 350... a G3 with ATI128... ?? i am having huge difficulties getting X to show. so was wondering if anyone could show me their free86 config :) |
| 03:20.11 | abrotman | just look for libssl |
| 03:20.35 | peterS | lkthomas: right, libssl0.9.7 for debian stable |
| 03:20.43 | lkthomas | hmm, ok |
| 03:20.45 | abrotman | stazich: i believe it's available .. moment |
| 03:21.03 | stazich | abrotman, what iMac are you talking about? |
| 03:21.11 | peterS | lkthomas: if you're trying to _compile_ something that uses openssl, you'll want libssl-dev |
| 03:21.30 | abrotman | stazich: oh .. they have a bunch for ibook and tibook and mini .. but not imac |
| 03:21.33 | Coweater | stazich: hmm, i can't recall the card i've got, mine works/worked i know, you might look around on the ubuntu forums i think there was a bit on Xorg config there |
| 03:21.49 | lkthomas | ok, thanks |
| 03:22.21 | stazich | its vital its not some g4/g5 since they all must have new cards, settings i would suppose. i am looking specifically for a xfree86 for imac g3 ~350mhz with ati128 |
| 03:22.21 | abrotman | stazich: http://www.us.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ .. some of those might help you |
| 03:22.21 | abrotman | stazich: can you paste your X log somewhere? |
| 03:22.23 | Coweater | was something to do with the refresh ranges iirc, i would just get a blank screen, no error |
| 03:22.55 | peterS | stazich: if you 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' you will want to select either 'ati' or 'r128', I forget which one will show up |
| 03:24.22 | stazich | abrotman, i am talking from windows machine right now, the iMac is not even close. its very complicated, tried everything no result |
| 03:24.35 | abrotman | vesa doesn't even work ? |
| 03:24.47 | peterS | abrotman: I don't think non-x86 machines can do vesa at all |
| 03:24.48 | stazich | vesa? |
| 03:24.56 | Coweater | stazich: HorizSync 60-60 VertRefresh 43-117, if none of the auto-configuration tools work, try changing the lines to that |
| 03:25.27 | stazich | Coweater, are you sure these are the frequencies? |
| 03:25.31 | abrotman | peterS: eh .. that's stupid! |
| 03:25.35 | peterS | abrotman: the powerpc equivalent is probably the kernel 'offb' module and the X 'fbdev' driver to go with it |
| 03:25.38 | stazich | Coweater, you have it running on iMac? |
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| 03:25.53 | peterS | ('offb' is Open Firmware frame buffer, where Open Firmware is what macs have in place of a PC BIOS) |
| 03:25.58 | lkthomas | does anyone know how could I tell which version of debian am I using ? |
| 03:26.06 | peterS | lkthomas: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:26.25 | lkthomas | peterS: it just said 3.1, |
| 03:26.32 | lkthomas | peterS: so is it sarge or what ? |
| 03:26.35 | peterS | lkthomas: debian 3.1 is sarge |
| 03:26.40 | abrotman | http://www.xs4all.nl/~matto/g3dv.html |
| 03:26.41 | Coweater | stazich: i have before, i know i've used those frequencies without problem |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | stazich: ^^ |
| 03:26.51 | peterS | Coweater: don't lock your horizontal sync to exactly 60 kHz, that is unlikely to work |
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| 03:27.03 | lkthomas | ok, thanks |
| 03:27.22 | Coweater | peterS: just going from what i found on an ubuntu thread, i know it worked in the past for me |
| 03:27.57 | abrotman | that link seems to imply debian on a g3 imac is easy |
| 03:28.54 | liable | it shouldnt be? |
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| 03:29.11 | abrotman | dunno |
| 03:29.15 | stazich | ok thanks, il try that... whata about the driver you choose at the start? |
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| 03:29.49 | Coweater | ati, but that was with xorg, i'm not sure if it's the same in xfree |
| 03:29.57 | lkthomas | anyone use clamav on debian sarge ? |
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| 03:30.14 | abrotman | !anyone use |
| 03:30.14 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:30.33 | liable | lkthomas: if you are wondering about new engines and stuff, check out debian- volatile |
| 03:31.20 | lkthomas | liable: the problem is that clamav sarge package searching for libssl0.9.8 which does not exists |
| 03:32.09 | lkthomas | I got libssl0.9.7 only |
| 03:32.09 | peterS | lkthomas: http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/clamav indicates that it uses libssl0.9.7 |
| 03:32.15 | liable | lkthomas: ya, my sarge doesnt have 0.9.8 either, mebbe its in incoming |
| 03:32.33 | lkthomas | stable/sarge: |
| 03:32.33 | lkthomas | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-volatile sarge/volatile main |
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| 03:32.36 | liable | there have been a few ssl security updates lately |
| 03:32.48 | lkthomas | volatile package require libssl0.9.8 |
| 03:33.03 | liable | lkthomas: file a bug against that package then |
| 03:33.09 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 03:33.25 | liable | lkthomas: via volatile, not b.d.o |
| 03:33.47 | lkthomas | ok |
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| 03:34.57 | epsilon | lkthomas: I see no libssl dependency on volatile clam-av |
| 03:35.03 | g3brown | Trying to umount a ext hd and I get "device is busy". Any cmd that would show what is open on that device (/dev/sdc1)? |
| 03:35.04 | peterS | lkthomas: I note that the clamav at security.debian.org is built with libssl0.9.7 |
| 03:36.32 | lkthomas | epsilon: hmm ? why ?! |
| 03:36.49 | lkthomas | peterS: is that a latest version of clamav ? |
| 03:36.57 | peterS | lkthomas: "latest" is meaningless |
| 03:37.11 | epsilon | oh wrong, 0.9.7 dependency |
| 03:37.13 | peterS | lkthomas: the one at security.debian.org is the latest one supported for debian sarge |
| 03:37.20 | lkthomas | OH yes, for antivirus, it is very important |
| 03:37.36 | peterS | lkthomas: it may be newer or older than the one at volatile.debian.net, as those are controlled by two different bodies |
| 03:37.45 | lkthomas | hmm, ok |
| 03:38.09 | peterS | I suspect the one at volatile is newer, because of the nature of volatile |
| 03:38.29 | epsilon | lkthomas: I have ssl097 and volatile clamav on sarge server, no dependency trouble |
| 03:38.47 | lkthomas | epsilon: I wonder why |
| 03:39.04 | peterS | lkthomas: how are you verifying libssl0.9.7 vs libssl0.9.8 here? there are different ways to tell so I'm wondering which you use |
| 03:39.18 | lkthomas | I am using libssl0.9.7 |
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| 03:41.18 | peterS | 'objdump -p /usr/bin/clamscan | grep libssl' is a straightforward way to tell |
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| 03:42.13 | stoned | peterS, whats going on |
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| 03:42.55 | peterS | stoned: I'm bummed - some girl left several urgent messages on my answering machine while I was out (I don't have a cell phone) but didn't leave a number. so right now she probably thinks I just refuse to return urgent phone calls, whereas the truth is I can't |
| 03:43.00 | stoned | ;holy shit |
| 03:43.09 | stoned | dude thats a really long sentence in a realy short amount of time |
| 03:43.15 | stoned | let me read |
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| 03:43.34 | stoned | that sucks |
| 03:43.35 | peterS | hmmm, I had 42 seconds to type that according to my irc log timestamps |
| 03:43.35 | stoned | is she hot? |
| 03:43.48 | stoned | I don't look at that |
| 03:43.56 | stoned | I have no seconds |
| 03:44.07 | stoned | but is she hot? |
| 03:44.08 | peterS | hot doesn't really enter into it, she's 16 and I'm, ummm, almost twice that. I don't know what it's about but she's like in some kind of trouble or bad situation or whatever, probably |
| 03:44.19 | stoned | so? |
| 03:44.26 | stoned | its only illegal if you get caught |
| 03:44.30 | stoned | ;) |
| 03:44.32 | liable | dude.. |
| 03:44.52 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 03:44.56 | stoned | thank you for being gullible enough to think I'm serious |
| 03:44.57 | stoned | word |
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| 03:45.09 | lkthomas | how can I cancel all pending query on dselect ? |
| 03:45.11 | peterS | ha. seriously. I just don't like the thought that I gave her a number she could call if she found herself in a tight spot and now she thinks I don't take her seriously enough to call her back when she needs it |
| 03:45.19 | lkthomas | because there have some package missing and I don't want to install that anymore |
| 03:45.30 | stoned | peterS, her fault really, should've left a number |
| 03:45.53 | peterS | stoned: I guess kids these days don't think about that since they all have cell phones and returning a missed call never requires knowing a number |
| 03:46.12 | stoned | you don't have a caller id? |
| 03:46.25 | peterS | nope. I'm too cheap to pay the few dollars a month, and buy a phone that can do it |
| 03:46.33 | stoned | wow |
| 03:46.42 | stoned | I mean |
| 03:46.46 | stoned | did I say that outloud |
| 03:46.52 | psychonate | stoned, nope |
| 03:47.09 | stoned | peterS, cheap-o |
| 03:47.10 | peterS | yeah I'm so cheap I took apart and _repaired_ a phone that I'd bought at a thrift store for $2. it's a good phone! it just doesn't have a caller-ID display (: |
| 03:47.19 | stoned | dude |
| 03:47.22 | stoned | its all good |
| 03:47.46 | stoned | now if you have money and you're still cheap, there is something wrong with you |
| 03:48.00 | peterS | stoned: yeah, I really don't. I have some savings but, at the moment, basically no income |
| 03:48.10 | stoned | its all good |
| 03:48.37 | peterS | stoned: if I were making a few thousand a year more than I actually needed, I wouldn't be afraid to spend it on things like, I dunno, maybe even caller ID |
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| 03:48.55 | peterS | I'd probably still resist the cell phone though |
| 03:49.19 | stoned | I pay 110$/mo for cable/highspeed internet/phone in one bill/package |
| 03:49.46 | stoned | I pay 150$ car insurance, 425$/mo rent, 100$/mo electric, then food and gas and weed |
| 03:49.53 | stoned | I make next to nothing |
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| 03:49.57 | lkthomas | anyone using dspam on debian ? |
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| 03:50.07 | peterS | I can't do a direct comparison as I don't have cable, but phone + DSL comes to somewhere around $50 |
| 03:50.25 | eEk | hey |
| 03:50.31 | eEk | i was messing with ndiswrapper |
| 03:50.35 | stoned | eEk, it never hurts to help |
| 03:50.50 | eEk | and i wanna know why it gave this: |
| 03:50.51 | eEk | DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 |
| 03:50.51 | eEk | DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10 |
| 03:50.58 | eEk | instead of my router ip |
| 03:51.03 | eEk | or access point |
| 03:51.29 | eEk | it gave me that when i typed: ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 03:51.32 | danieldg | eEk: 255.255.255.255 is broadcast |
| 03:51.43 | eEk | danieldg: it means? |
| 03:52.25 | danieldg | eEk: it means "send to everyone" - so the DHCP server will respond |
| 03:52.36 | danieldg | it's because you don't know the IP of the DHCP server at this time |
| 03:52.48 | eEk | what should i do then? |
| 03:52.51 | stoned | wait |
| 03:53.06 | eEk | i followed their site, and i did ok |
| 03:53.13 | eEk | i mean everything works, scanning, etc |
| 03:53.23 | eEk | but i can't connect to my router |
| 03:53.24 | danieldg | those messages just say that it's trying to get an IP |
| 03:53.37 | danieldg | it should eventually succeed if it's working correctly |
| 03:53.42 | eEk | ok |
| 03:53.45 | eEk | let me do it again |
| 03:53.55 | stoned | eEk, you are funny |
| 03:54.17 | eEk | stoned: ? |
| 03:54.24 | eEk | why you say that? |
| 03:54.30 | stoned | cute |
| 03:54.33 | stoned | funny |
| 03:54.38 | stoned | i'm hitting on you |
| 03:54.51 | stoned | but no really, eek was the name of my favoreite cat growing up |
| 03:55.02 | stoned | Eek Extravaganza! on FOX! saturday morning cartoons |
| 03:55.04 | stoned | :D |
| 03:55.08 | eEk | ic |
| 03:55.11 | Rusty1 | eEk: perhaps try dhcpcd wlan0 , or pump -i wlan0 |
| 03:55.15 | eEk | ok |
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| 03:55.32 | eEk | ill be back, imma disconnect my ethernet, don't leave |
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| 03:56.12 | Malawar | is there a "debian way" to install generic source packages? |
| 03:56.28 | Malawar | i.e., should I be somehow building a .deb file out of it rather than doign ./configure && make && make install? |
| 03:57.32 | liable | Malawar: have a read of the 'new maintainers guide' or check out checkinstall |
| 03:58.01 | ahlfors | Malawar, you should probably just make install it into /usr/local |
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| 03:58.40 | Malawar | ty |
| 03:59.50 | lkthomas | guys |
| 03:59.59 | lkthomas | how is it possible to copy everything from one HDD to another HDD ? |
| 04:00.20 | liable | !tell lkthomas about hard drive upgrade |
| 04:00.54 | Malawar | apt sadly totally messed up my apache install when it failed to do an apache2 stop :( |
| 04:01.12 | Malawar | but no big deal :P |
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| 04:02.01 | lkthomas | liable: thanks |
| 04:02.32 | Malawar | actually, it may be a big deal :( |
| 04:02.52 | Malawar | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libapache2-webauth: Depends: apache2 |
| 04:02.58 | Malawar | "apache2 is already the newest version." |
| 04:03.44 | liable | Malawar: check bts, apparently apache2 is b0rked atm |
| 04:04.19 | Malawar | hm |
| 04:04.21 | Malawar | yep |
| 04:04.25 | Malawar | that's the exact problem i'm having :( |
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| 04:06.12 | peterS | apache2 is fixed again, but it's in incoming, not yet at ftp.debian.org |
| 04:06.20 | peterS | (2.2.3-2 fixes at least one very important bug) |
| 04:06.57 | peterS | now whether libapache2-webauth has been fixed to use apache 2.2 yet, I do not know. modules cannot be compatible with both 2.0 and 2.2 at the same time |
| 04:07.05 | ahlfors | I was able to get the 'b0rked' one to work by purging the old apache, then installing it. |
| 04:07.22 | ahlfors | However it created a binary in /usr/sbin that wasn't +x. So I made it executable and everything is peachy |
| 04:07.43 | Malawar | i got that far, but none of the modules work |
| 04:07.49 | peterS | ahlfors: the -x +x thing is a hack to work around other problems with the upgrade. it may or may not still be buggy |
| 04:08.08 | Luck_ | ok Rusty1: it didn't work |
| 04:08.12 | peterS | Malawar: correct. apache 2.0 and 2.2 modules are incompatible, so at the very least, all your modules need to be recompiled and uploaded. this transition has only just begun |
| 04:08.47 | peterS | Malawar: this is, you know, why it's called 'unstable'. (: I'm proud to say libapache2-svn was one of the first modules to be rebuilt for apache 2.2 |
| 04:09.12 | Malawar | which is what I was installing when apache broke :P |
| 04:09.12 | ahlfors | hmm, that's why digest auth isn't working |
| 04:09.17 | Malawar | mainly because of the auth modules though |
| 04:09.29 | ahlfors | any idea when the I should next dist-upgrade to avoid the transitional mess? |
| 04:10.20 | peterS | ahlfors: I don't know how long the transition will take. it was delayed by a bug in apache2.2-common which prevented pretty much all modules from being recompiled on most architectures. that bug was fixed a few hours ago and will be in unstable tomorrow, so the transition can proceed now |
| 04:10.32 | Rusty1 | eEk: which did you try and what happened? |
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| 04:11.35 | peterS | ahlfors: what apache2 modules do you use, btw? |
| 04:12.15 | lkthomas | I have a problem with apache2 module |
| 04:12.16 | lkthomas | Invalid command 'SuexecUserGroup', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 04:12.23 | ahlfors | peterS, none really. I just run apache to preview my web page before I upload it to the server |
| 04:12.35 | lkthomas | but I can't found any package that got suexec module, anyone have idea why ? |
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| 04:13.18 | peterS | lkthomas: I don't think suexec is supported in apache2. you can go back to apache 1.3, I suppose |
| 04:13.25 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 04:16.11 | grendal_prime | good god that was chaos.. |
| 04:16.22 | slept | hello, I got a problem with my built-in microphone. I can t use it in any application but I can hear my input while I run kde . Any ideas ? |
| 04:16.25 | grendal_prime | i hate it when the power goes down here..its a frigging nightmare. |
| 04:16.43 | grendal_prime | alsa? |
| 04:16.47 | slept | yes |
| 04:16.55 | grendal_prime | you need to set up a mixer and probably turn it up. |
| 04:16.55 | Gumby | lo all. I have a small home network and i am wondering what I need to setup/configure in order to get clients within the network to be able to get to the local webserver by its fqdn. I've read a bit on bind and it seems like it would do what I need but is there anything a bit more simple (other than editing the hosts file on each box). |
| 04:17.23 | grendal_prime | fqdn? |
| 04:17.31 | ahlfors | fully qualified domain name |
| 04:17.42 | grendal_prime | ya..on a local network? |
| 04:18.07 | Gumby | yes. |
| 04:18.29 | Gumby | to hit the website on the local LAN the user must enter the IP of the box hosting the site. |
| 04:18.42 | grendal_prime | and thats a problem? |
| 04:18.45 | Gumby | if the fqdn is used it doesnt work because of the firewall |
| 04:18.46 | ahlfors | is this a fqdn you made up? e.g. myhost.funtimes.lamppost.pineapple.clarinet.blorksnog |
| 04:18.53 | peterS | yeah he wants the same name to resolve to two different IPs depending on whether the request is from-local-network or remote |
| 04:18.53 | Gumby | grendal_prime: yes it is. |
| 04:19.15 | Gumby | grendal_prime: if the webserver holds multiple domains is a big issue |
| 04:19.21 | peterS | bind "views" can do this, or you could just run two copies of bind, each one on only a single network interface (internal or external) |
| 04:19.40 | ahlfors | oh so the fdqn resolves externally, but within the network you want it to resolve to something else? |
| 04:19.43 | Rusty1 | Gumby: check out dnsmasq |
| 04:19.52 | peterS | the two copies is a bit of a pain as you'd need to modify the init script somewhat to start / stop them both |
| 04:20.21 | Gumby | ahlfors: correct. if I try and access the fqdn from within the LAN it times out |
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| 04:21.25 | weilawei | How would I change debians default python version to 2.5? i have 2.4 and 2.5 installed but it defaults to 2.4. I'd rather not just change symlinks by hand if theres a more debian-eqsue solution. The only post I could find on it didn't answe the question. |
| 04:21.35 | Gumby | the only people using the bind server for DNS will be the local network. so I really only need one copy of bind running |
| 04:21.53 | ahlfors | weilawei, you don't have that option. default python version is a debian-wide matter that changes infrequently |
| 04:21.54 | peterS | weilawei: you can't really. there will be some packages in debian which assume the default version is 2.4 |
| 04:22.07 | ahlfors | weilawei, just be glad it finally went to 2.4! |
| 04:22.21 | weilawei | peterS, so for my purposes, just change the symlink in /usr/bin? |
| 04:22.30 | peterS | weilawei: that is, things that "#!/usr/bin/python" and expect certain modules to be available which are only compiled for the default python version |
| 04:22.54 | peterS | weilawei: yeah that's as good as anything. note that random debian packages might stop working, like scripts in subversion-tools |
| 04:22.56 | Gumby | Rusty1: this looks like it may work (dnsmasq) |
| 04:23.09 | weilawei | peterS, damnit. I need subversion to work right too. |
| 04:23.12 | ahlfors | weilawei, for your purposes, probably best to just #!/usr/bin/python-2.5 in your scripts! |
| 04:23.35 | weilawei | ahlfors, well I'm also using django for a lot of my stuff so I have to change that code too |
| 04:23.45 | peterS | weilawei: 'python-subversion' only contains modules for 2.4, not for 2.3 or 2.5. it didn't seem worth my trouble to recompile them for multiple python versions, given the small number of packages and scripts that will ever use the python svn bindings |
| 04:24.05 | ahlfors | but you really need 2.5? |
| 04:24.08 | weilawei | peterS, sorry I thought you were referring to the actual official svn build |
| 04:24.28 | weilawei | ahlfors, I've been using 2.5 since it came out, I quite like the changes they've made |
| 04:24.35 | peterS | weilawei: now, subversion _itself_ will work if python is 2.5. just, any python scripts that use the libsvn python bindings require python 2.4 at this time |
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| 04:25.12 | weilawei | thanks ahlfors and peterS :) |
| 04:25.15 | peterS | most people probably don't need such scripts, and if they do, they can edit them for '#!/usr/bin/python-2.4' for now |
| 04:25.16 | ahlfors | weilawei, it's probably worth it to code for 2.4 right now |
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| 04:25.31 | aum | hi - what's the name of that lib which can dynload any other lib? |
| 04:25.31 | peterS | I mean '#!/usr/bin/python2.4' of course |
| 04:25.45 | peterS | aum: libdl? what do you mean exactly? |
| 04:25.49 | weilawei | ahlfors, that'd be nice if i hadn't already started using some of the new constructs that they added in 2.5 |
| 04:26.13 | aum | peterS - it's a lib with functions to dynamically load any library by name, and construct calls to that lib's api |
| 04:26.36 | aum | ahh, libdl, that's right |
| 04:26.41 | weilawei | ahlfors, like the new conditional assignment syntax for when you have a clearcut common and uncommon case |
| 04:27.01 | ahlfors | weilawei, It's like losing your job and moving into a crappy apartment. You don't like it at first, but after a few beers it's okay. |
| 04:27.21 | weilawei | ahlfors, thats a particularly bad metaphor since I just did that |
| 04:27.39 | weilawei | simile. |
| 04:27.40 | weilawei | sorry |
| 04:27.56 | ahlfors | weilawei, well sorry man. Look into that beer option |
| 04:28.14 | weilawei | ahlfors, it helps that the packie is literally 3 buildings down the street |
| 04:29.11 | ahlfors | packie? you in new england or something? |
| 04:29.53 | weilawei | ahlfors, yep, south of boston |
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| 04:30.49 | ahlfors | I'm in Providence. Here's to crappy apartments. |
| 04:31.00 | weilawei | ahlfors, cheers! |
| 04:31.09 | weilawei | im actually slightly closer to providence than boston.. |
| 04:31.17 | peterS | I rather like my apartment, but I'll raise a glass in solidarity |
| 04:31.28 | DanC | hm... "kernel: Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found." " last message repeated 356 times". and hald is eating 42% of my cpu. google doesn't yield answers easily. suggestions? |
| 04:31.32 | weilawei | im on the mansfield stop of the providence/attleboro/south stattion line |
| 04:31.55 | peterS | DanC: wtf, something's trying repeatedly to load the pcic PCMCIA controller module? |
| 04:32.27 | lkthomas | hmmm |
| 04:32.36 | DanC | that's consistent with my symptoms, peterS. seems to be hald, somehow |
| 04:32.49 | ahlfors | weilawei, you a comp sci guy? |
| 04:33.13 | peterS | DanC: I wonder why it would get that idea. a PCMCIA controller chip isn't the sort of thing that would dynamically appear in the first place |
| 04:33.48 | Rusty1 | DanC: read up on hald configuration, thought I agree with peterS |
| 04:34.17 | peterS | I don't have hal installed here, so I can't be of much help, I'm afraid |
| 04:34.22 | weilawei | ahlfors, only for my own interest. im a writer and i work other jobs to support that, most recently putting up tents. |
| 04:34.53 | peterS | weilawei: so as a day job you're a pitcher? |
| 04:35.42 | Rusty1 | in Foxboro, aren't they looking for a QB |
| 04:35.59 | Rusty1 | close by |
| 04:36.50 | weilawei | Dunno but that's next door. I just had an interview with sullivan & worcester the other day |
| 04:38.25 | Rusty1 | staples up in framingham sometimes looking for geeks |
| 04:38.25 | DanC | these hald symptoms just started tonight; I upgraded to kernel 2.6.18-k7, along with about 400 other packages from sid |
| 04:39.08 | weilawei | Rusty1, there's a staples here in mansfield, but I've been told they're horrible to work for |
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| 04:39.42 | Rusty1 | corporate HQ in framingham, not the store |
| 04:39.42 | LivingCooler | Hi, can I use Unison to my FTP server remotely? |
| 04:39.47 | weilawei | Rusty1, aah |
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| 04:39.55 | craigevil | DanC try> hal" is dpkg --purge hal ; apt-get install hal ; add <username> to plugdev group |
| 04:40.19 | liable | DanC: that should make it easy to track down then... :) |
| 04:40.37 | DanC | I'm in the plugdev group... |
| 04:40.39 | liable | DanC: hal is inetrtwined with udev, check bts for the kernel and udev |
| 04:41.05 | peterS | at least once a week I'm reminded of why I don't use udev |
| 04:41.12 | DanC | hmm... lots of dependencies on hal... not straightforward to remove |
| 04:41.14 | peterS | thanks, DanC |
| 04:41.20 | ahlfors | peterS, I like udev |
| 04:41.26 | liable | peterS: hasnt broken for me in more than 6 months |
| 04:41.47 | liable | when it does break though, it usually breaks spectcularly :) |
| 04:41.52 | craigevil | dpkg --purge hal dbus-1 dbus ; Ctrl+Alt+F1 ; logon as root, type init 3 ; apt-get update ; apt-get install hal dbus |
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| 04:42.50 | ahlfors | liable, udev breaks frequently? Would that leave you unbootable? |
| 04:43.19 | liable | ahlfors: it had a rough spell a while back, and yes, would quite often leave you unbotable |
| 04:43.37 | DanC | craigevil, lots of stuff depends on dbus: evolution, gnome-screensaver, etc. |
| 04:43.40 | ahlfors | oh crap, and I really like it! I just switched from hotplug |
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| 04:43.57 | liable | i think i still have a bookmark for my favourate udev bug, though its mostly for MD's comments than anything else |
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| 04:44.38 | peterS | he _comments_ on udev bugs? I thought he just closed them because they wasted too much of his time |
| 04:44.53 | liable | heh, this one goes on for a while |
| 04:45.03 | liable | !dbugs 317332 |
| 04:45.08 | dpkg | DONE:#317332:[udev] udev 0.060-1 should be used with a >= 2.6.12 kernel; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:03:03 UTC |
| 04:45.19 | ahlfors | Do you think udev is more stable these days? I really don't want to end up unbootable on a dist-upgrade |
| 04:45.30 | peterS | liable: oh, that one. yeah. I never did go back to see how it turned out in the end |
| 04:45.35 | liable | ahlfors: hasnt broken for me in ages |
| 04:45.52 | eEk | Rusty1: i think i know the reason are: |
| 04:45.53 | eEk | Warning: Driver for device wlan0 has been compiled with version 20 |
| 04:45.53 | eEk | of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 17. |
| 04:45.53 | eEk | Some things may be broken... |
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| 04:46.01 | eEk | what does this really mean? |
| 04:46.16 | liable | peterS: he got his way of course, and the problem persists iirc :) |
| 04:46.19 | eEk | how do you unmodprobe something? |
| 04:46.26 | Rusty1 | rmmod |
| 04:46.28 | liable | eEk: -r |
| 04:46.35 | peterS | liable: so wait ... someone who uses sarge 2.6.8 and udev and tries to upgrade to etch _can't_ do it? |
| 04:46.53 | eEk | Rusty1: what does that really mean? |
| 04:46.55 | liable | peterS: i believe that you cant use the 2.6.8 kernel, yes |
| 04:47.13 | peterS | liable: but you can't upgrade from 2.6.8 to 2.6.17 without also upgrading udev |
| 04:47.21 | liable | peterS: i dont know how you go about the upgrade |
| 04:47.38 | Rusty1 | eEk: what gives you that message? |
| 04:47.38 | peterS | liable: yeah, see, that's the problem. you can't reboot into the new kernel first, and you also can't upgrade udev first. so which'll it be? |
| 04:47.53 | liable | peterS: i might have to look that up i guess. should be in release notes for etch i spose |
| 04:47.58 | peterS | I suppose the correct solution is to remove udev, install new kernel, boot new kernel, install new udev |
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| 04:48.18 | peterS | liable: indeed. if that bug was not actually solved, then a lot of sarge users will be very unhappy at their inability to upgrade to etch |
| 04:48.19 | eEk | Rusty1: when i run anything. imma try to compiler the older ones |
| 04:48.25 | liable | peterS: thats what i have suggested to a few people that have come here with the problem, now that you mention it. |
| 04:49.20 | ahlfors | yeah, how can anyone not see that a seamless sarge->etch is extremely important? |
| 04:49.29 | liable | hah, last comment.. from MD "I dont know what you are complaining about" :) |
| 04:49.44 | peterS | heh |
| 04:50.18 | ahlfors | this MD fellow is rather insensitive to users concerns |
| 04:50.26 | liable | peterS: report says fixed, but no solution at the end, other than upgrade kernel, i cant be bothered to reread the whole thing atm though |
| 04:50.30 | peterS | ahlfors: the main problem is that upstream udev doesn't support old kernels, so upgrading udev and not upgrading your kernel will lead to inability to use udev at all |
| 04:50.35 | eEk | Rusty1: probably because i was using rc1 instead of stable |
| 04:51.45 | peterS | and yes, ahlfors, Md is well-known to be rather insensitive to users' concerns (: |
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| 04:52.23 | peterS | if you file a bug and he doesn't think it is a bug, he won't ask you for clarification. instead, he will abruptly close the bug with little or no comment. |
| 04:52.47 | peterS | if you're lucky he includes one sentence saying why it isn't a bug. |
| 04:52.56 | ahlfors | See, we need guys who do something very similar, they FIX the bug with little or no comment |
| 04:53.04 | liable | i wonder if he's related to mwilson?? |
| 04:53.35 | Rusty1 | eEk: k, once you get your versions in sync the drill is to ndiswrapper the .inf, modprobe ndiswrapper , iwconfig wlan0 essid (etc), ifconfig wlan0, then either dhcpcd wlan0, or pump -i wlan0 |
| 04:53.35 | eEk | Warning: Driver for device wlan0 has been compiled with version 20 |
| 04:53.36 | eEk | of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 17. |
| 04:53.36 | eEk | Some things may be broken... |
| 04:53.43 | goingtomoonbrb | < hugoij> goingtomoonbrb: tell this to helix: "jo mellek" |
| 04:53.51 | eEk | Rusty1: i did all that |
| 04:54.49 | eEk | Rusty1: do i need resolvconf with pump? |
| 04:55.36 | liable | eEk: what version of debian you have and what kernel? |
| 04:55.45 | Rusty1 | eEk i dont think so, i think you need a more up to date driver |
| 04:56.00 | liable | eEk: that warning is not neccesarily fatal though.. |
| 04:56.02 | eEk | liable: im on sarge and using 2.6.18 kernel |
| 04:56.13 | liable | eEk: that explains it.. |
| 04:56.19 | eEk | i see my router "wlan" flashing thougg |
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| 04:56.42 | eEk | Rusty1: my driver is 2005 version |
| 04:56.49 | eEk | my card is WMP54GS |
| 04:57.06 | eEk | liable: what you mean? |
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| 04:57.24 | Rusty1 | eEk and does iwconfig(by itself) have the router essid |
| 04:57.38 | liable | eEk: your wireless-tools package is possibly to old for the wireless extensions in your kernel |
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| 05:00.41 | eEk | Rusty1: wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"Police" |
| 05:00.53 | Rusty1 | lol |
| 05:00.56 | eEk | liable: i didn't use wireless-tools |
| 05:01.06 | eEk | should i? |
| 05:01.28 | liable | eEk: iwconfig is in wireless-tools, so you are using it :) |
| 05:01.35 | eEk | oh |
| 05:01.36 | eEk | lol |
| 05:01.37 | Rusty1 | eEk: try a different channel on your router |
| 05:01.55 | eEk | but look, my card is connected to my router, i can see it |
| 05:02.02 | eEk | but the ip says: 0.0.0.0 |
| 05:02.27 | Rusty1 | is your router essid "police"? |
| 05:02.43 | eEk | "Police" |
| 05:02.44 | eEk | yes |
| 05:03.07 | Rusty1 | oh ok, i thought you were next to the local cops |
| 05:03.07 | liable | thats a good name to either scare off potential leeches, or encourage hackers :) |
| 05:03.15 | eEk | liable: yes sir |
| 05:03.56 | Rusty1 | the router has a dhcp server active? |
| 05:04.10 | Rusty1 | no wep? |
| 05:05.17 | eEk | no security at all |
| 05:05.41 | eEk | Rusty1: yup, dhcp is enabled |
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| 05:06.04 | Rusty1 | ifconfig wlan0 up, and then ifconfig .... |
| 05:06.16 | liable | white or red with thai food? |
| 05:06.38 | liable | Guerin: ^^ |
| 05:06.49 | Rusty1 | beef=red, chix or fish=white |
| 05:07.01 | eEk | Rusty1: my card is connected |
| 05:07.09 | eEk | but it says: IP: 0.0.0.0 |
| 05:07.12 | eEk | why's that? |
| 05:07.13 | liable | hrm, i dunno what the meat is, but we having seafood too, so i'll go whit |
| 05:07.29 | xjkx | I have a qemu which has windows 98, i want it to comunicate with my debian, sharing.I installed samba and tried to configure after reading a tutorial, ran smbd, but when I logon windows it says there was no network named GROUP, wtf... |
| 05:07.51 | xjkx | i mean groupname or whatever its called |
| 05:07.54 | xjkx | in domain |
| 05:08.06 | eEk | Rusty1: and i did change the channel |
| 05:08.07 | Rusty1 | eEk : pump -i wlan0, what happens? |
| 05:08.20 | xjkx | or something like that cant remember message, just saying like i have no sharing service |
| 05:08.36 | eEk | Rusty1: cards flashing |
| 05:08.40 | Rusty1 | ifconfig again after |
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| 05:09.07 | eEk | apper-1.25# pump -i wlan0 |
| 05:09.07 | eEk | Operation failed. |
| 05:09.12 | liable | eEk: is it an open AP? |
| 05:09.28 | eEk | liable: its a router |
| 05:09.31 | liable | eEk: if not, disable security |
| 05:09.46 | eEk | eEk: the secutiry is disabled |
| 05:10.10 | eEk | it doesn't matter if its a router or an ap, is it? |
| 05:10.37 | Rusty1 | eEk: any other devices on ifconfig besides lo? |
| 05:10.39 | xjkx | anyone? |
| 05:10.54 | eEk | Rusty1: eth0 |
| 05:11.16 | litage | one of my boxes lists eth0 and eth1 when i do `ifconfig -a` despite it having only 1 network card. why would this be? |
| 05:11.17 | Rusty1 | does eth0 have an ip? |
| 05:11.23 | eEk | Rusty1: |
| 05:11.25 | eEk | yes |
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| 05:11.44 | eEk | im just wondering why it says 0.0.0.0 |
| 05:11.54 | eEk | that should say something like 192.168.x.x |
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| 05:11.56 | eEk | you know what im saying |
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| 05:12.00 | ru | lo all |
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| 05:12.08 | ru | i am creating a tar of my entire linux install |
| 05:12.24 | eEk | Warning: Driver for device wlan0 has been compiled with version 20 |
| 05:12.24 | eEk | of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 17. |
| 05:12.24 | eEk | Some things may be broken... |
| 05:12.24 | ru | is it possible to split the tar up into say 2gb chunks? |
| 05:12.26 | Rusty1 | k, try this ifconfig eyh0 down, ifconfig wlan0 down, ifconfig wlan0 up, then pump -i wlan0 |
| 05:12.28 | eEk | i think its because of that |
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| 05:12.46 | Fyre | i keep getting this error when trying to start iptables, `ACCE$':/lib/iptables/libipt_ACCE$.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:12.48 | ru | I see tar has a --record-size value, but it doesnt seem to work? |
| 05:12.56 | eEk | Rusty1: then if i down my eth0, i disconnect myself |
| 05:12.58 | eEk | lol |
| 05:13.03 | eEk | but ill try though |
| 05:13.38 | Rusty1 | well do it, unplug the cat5 , reboot and work the wlan0 drill |
| 05:13.53 | Rusty1 | gniter |
| 05:14.46 | vin` | eEk: I used to get that for a while too, used to work fine. |
| 05:14.53 | ru | Anyone know what I can do? |
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| 05:15.52 | ru | is it possible to split a tar up into say 2gb chunks? |
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| 05:17.15 | cast | now i've never used nfs before, but i take it running nfs over the internet is a bad idea? and running it over a vpn is best? |
| 05:19.44 | wols_ | yes very bad |
| 05:20.05 | vin` | sshfs? |
| 05:21.29 | cast | i've been using sshfs, but thought i better learn about nfs one of these days |
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| 05:24.23 | ermak | hi all, can anyone help to configure tv-tuner? there is a problem with sound - no sound at all |
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| 05:24.45 | wols_ | does sound in other apps work? |
| 05:25.14 | ermak | yes in other its fine |
| 05:25.33 | ermak | in windows the sound from tuner comes via pci bus |
| 05:25.34 | wols_ | the enable your line in (if the tv card has a cable from the card to sound line in) |
| 05:25.53 | wols_ | then it's probably a driver issue |
| 05:26.18 | wols_ | check the chip of your TV card and google for a howto |
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| 05:27.43 | ermak | chp is saa7134, and I have find something in Google, but that parameters for modules allowed me only to configure picture and chanels, but not sound |
| 05:28.15 | wols_ | what kernel are you running? |
| 05:28.18 | wols_ | what version? |
| 05:28.34 | ermak | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.56 | wols_ | are you running ubuntu dapper? |
| 05:29.04 | ermak | yes) |
| 05:29.10 | wols_ | then ask #ubuntu |
| 05:29.21 | ermak | ( why? |
| 05:29.30 | wols_ | !ubuntu |
| 05:29.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu is A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 05:30.19 | ermak | is there very much difference in configuring sound?? i supposed to find more competent people here.... |
| 05:30.20 | liable | Fyre: tried searching for it? |
| 05:30.51 | Tallu | ermak: dont try to take advantage of the users of a different distro. there can be differences and then you're wasting our time and your time |
| 05:31.25 | ermak | Tallu, ok |
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| 05:31.32 | liable | ermak: one of the first differences is that ubuntu doesnt have alsaconf and debian does, so, we are off to a bad start right there |
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| 05:31.38 | liable | meh |
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| 05:31.47 | vin` | !badgerknoppix |
| 05:31.47 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 05:32.00 | liable | heh |
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| 05:35.40 | urz | hey |
| 05:35.57 | liable | hola |
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| 05:36.16 | urz | my brother did a ./MAKEDEV in the /dev directory and then a cp .static/video0 . |
| 05:36.30 | urz | trying to make a webcam work |
| 05:36.35 | urz | he froze up the computer real good |
| 05:36.41 | urz | and when it came back X wont start |
| 05:37.13 | wols_ | Xfree86 or xorg? |
| 05:37.14 | urz | vesafb is being loaded at boot and i dont want it to be |
| 05:37.15 | urz | xorg |
| 05:38.12 | liable | urz: and now he has bailed on you? go swish his toothbrush in the toilet :) |
| 05:38.24 | urz | ok |
| 05:38.50 | urz | dont suppose anybody knows how to clean up this mess |
| 05:38.52 | liable | urz: udev installed? |
| 05:38.52 | urz | or has any ideas |
| 05:39.18 | urz | lsmod | grep udev has no hits |
| 05:39.29 | liable | urz: dpkg -l udev |
| 05:39.50 | urz | oh that is installed |
| 05:40.16 | liable | udev.. |
| 05:40.25 | urz | nastiness |
| 05:40.40 | liable | urz: apt-get purge udev, then reinstall it |
| 05:40.50 | liable | err.. remove --purge |
| 05:40.50 | urz | * udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.15, not started. |
| 05:41.08 | urz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.37 | liable | urz: hrm, what debian version are you running? |
| 05:41.49 | liable | testing with sarge kernel? |
| 05:41.49 | urz | etch |
| 05:41.54 | urz | yeah |
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| 05:42.04 | urz | i only ugraded to etch fairly recently |
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| 05:43.03 | urz | is there a way to undo ./MAKEDEV ? |
| 05:43.13 | urz | damnit |
| 05:43.37 | urz | rm -rf / |
| 05:43.53 | urz | i have other things to do |
| 05:43.58 | liable | urz: try MAKEDEV update |
| 05:44.21 | wols_ | urz: for a quick+dirty (and bad) "solution": rm vesafb.ko |
| 05:44.43 | liable | wols_: sure thats the real problem though? |
| 05:44.44 | wols_ | unless /etc/modutils/loads it |
| 05:45.02 | urz | grep -rn vesa /etc/*mod* # no hits. |
| 05:45.07 | wols_ | well, he hasn't told us what his X error log says. yet |
| 05:45.43 | liable | i would like to see the kernel log too actually. |
| 05:45.44 | wols_ | urz: so what does it say? |
| 05:46.45 | urz | Xorg.0.log? |
| 05:47.22 | urz | um |
| 05:47.33 | urz | does Xorg just bail if it has no mouse? |
| 05:47.46 | Makenai | I'm having a weird problem with my debian install pushing me around. I edit the binding in /etc/pcmcia/config and change the binding from my pcmcia card (with the correct manfid) from orinoco_cs to hostap_cs, but it doesn't seem to do anything. When I reboot, it autmatically comes up as orinoco_cs in the lspcmcia. Is there another place it needs to be changed? |
| 05:47.50 | liable | yes, if theres no device |
| 05:47.58 | urz | well |
| 05:48.23 | valdyn | Makenai: uname -r |
| 05:48.34 | urz | i had lots of errors, but i kept trying, and probably got those other issues worked out on the last try because the log looks like it bailed because it was missing a mouse |
| 05:48.40 | liable | urz: play with makedev. try a MAKDEV generic, update and whatever intersting bits you find in the man page |
| 05:48.41 | Makenai | valdyn: 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 05:48.43 | urz | teh webcam thing was usb |
| 05:48.48 | urz | as the mouse was |
| 05:48.55 | urz | maybe he unpluged it or it interfered |
| 05:49.03 | valdyn | Makenai: why do you think that /etc/pcmcia has anything to do with it? |
| 05:49.14 | valdyn | Makenai: run 'dpkg -l udev | tail -1' |
| 05:50.01 | urz | the mouse is pluged in |
| 05:50.07 | urz | iduno |
| 05:50.21 | urz | (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 05:50.21 | urz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.47 | Makenai | valdyn: I thought that is what lists the manufacturer id => kernel module mappings. Looking into udev now though. How can I tell it that I want to force it to use a different drive? |
| 05:50.53 | Makenai | valdyn: *driver |
| 05:51.12 | valdyn | Makenai: a) you blacklist the driver you dont want to be loaded or b) your just delete the module file |
| 05:51.16 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 05:51.16 | dpkg | methinks blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 05:51.35 | valdyn | Makenai: you're running etch i assume |
| 05:51.58 | ma3x | what package is responsible for this file: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so ? |
| 05:52.21 | Makenai | valdyn: Yup, etch - thanks, I'll play around with it and see if I can get it to work :) |
| 05:52.56 | liable | Makenai: dpkg -S foo |
| 05:53.00 | liable | ma3x: ^^ |
| 05:53.30 | valdyn | urz: why dont you install a kernel that actually 'fits' into your system? |
| 05:53.34 | urz | Oct 7 01:52:46 pavlov kernel: [drm:i810_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 65520 wanted 65528 |
| 05:53.37 | urz | Oct 7 01:52:46 pavlov kernel: [drm:i810_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup |
| 05:53.40 | urz | Oct 7 01:52:46 pavlov gdm[7058]: deal_with_x_crashes: Running the XKeepsCrashing script |
| 05:54.15 | liable | urz: valdyn has a point, if you upgrade the kernel, udev will start and you should be golden |
| 05:54.32 | urz | ok |
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| 05:54.55 | valdyn | urz: your brothers commands dont look like they did anything really harmful, he or someone must have done something else |
| 05:55.10 | ma3x | libapache2-mod-php5. yeah I've read their bugreport 385480 and they say ecause there's no need to coinstall apache 2.0 and 2.2, we're not |
| 05:55.11 | ma3x | going to take on the extra maintenance burden of maintaining three |
| 05:55.11 | ma3x | different versions of apache. Two is quite enough. |
| 05:55.30 | ma3x | so whose bug is it? they are not solving it |
| 05:55.42 | ma3x | can you take a look at the bug please and suggest me what to do exactly |
| 05:56.07 | valdyn | ma3x: apache 2.0 is going to no longer be in debian... |
| 05:56.07 | ma3x | they mentioned something about renaming the apache packages, but does that mean that I should manually install them? |
| 05:56.12 | ma3x | valdyn, since when? |
| 05:56.14 | urz | how about apt-getting 2.6.16 |
| 05:56.26 | urz | you guys think i should? |
| 05:56.29 | ma3x | valdyn, well it still is in sid |
| 05:56.37 | valdyn | ma3x: as soon as apache2.2 hits sid and then etch |
| 05:57.11 | valdyn | ma3x: i assume they want 2.2 to be in etch when its released, hence htey dont fix that bug |
| 05:57.33 | urz | 2.6.16 said it wasnt available when i went to apt-get |
| 05:57.34 | wols_ | valdyn: 2.2 already is in sid |
| 05:57.41 | ma3x | valdyn, there is only apache2.2-common |
| 05:57.49 | valdyn | ma3x: 2.2 is in experimental, it works fine for my simple case, it however does not upgrade smoothly |
| 05:57.50 | ma3x | I guess there should be another apache main package |
| 05:58.01 | valdyn | ma3x: yea, the apache2 package isnt being renamed to apache2.2 |
| 05:58.24 | Tallu | Uhm, you guys think this looks like a valid xf86config? i wrote it to a friend and havent had the time to test it out yet http://pastebin.ca/193773 |
| 05:58.37 | valdyn | ma3x: for whichever reason apache2 -> apache2 and apache2-common -> apache2.2-common ( currently ) |
| 05:58.42 | ma3x | valdyn, so should I just wait for the updates (I've waited 3 days) or should I do something myself? |
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| 05:58.45 | Makenai | valdyn: It looks like I don't have /etc/discover.conf or /etc/hotplug/ - should I install hotplug and discover packages? Is that still applicable on etch? |
| 05:59.02 | XoR | i have too this problem with apache 2.2 :( |
| 05:59.04 | valdyn | ma3x: no idea, just telling background story.. |
| 05:59.15 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 05:59.15 | dpkg | i heard blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 05:59.54 | valdyn | Makenai: you didnt read that factoid carefully, ill extract the essential for you: in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 06:00.10 | Makenai | valdyn: Doh. sorry - yes, I glossed over the last sentence |
| 06:00.18 | urz | why dont i see knewer kernel images |
| 06:00.47 | valdyn | Makenai: /etc/hotplug/ is obsolete and no longer used in etch+ and /etc/discover* is for the discover tool, which is in my opinion useless when you have udev |
| 06:00.54 | ma3x | I've never managed to blacklist ipv6. it always loads. only not when I rename it |
| 06:01.11 | urz | i dont want to build a kernel |
| 06:01.22 | urz | oh man |
| 06:01.31 | valdyn | urz: they are 'linux-image*' packages ( not kernel-image* ) |
| 06:01.39 | ma3x | valdyn, so they should rename apache2 -> apache2.2 ? |
| 06:01.44 | urz | name change eh? |
| 06:01.58 | valdyn | ma3x: im not saying they should, i just told the current nameing |
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| 06:02.58 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 06:03.07 | valdyn | urz: yea, since debian does not only support linux kernels, that old nameing didnt make srense |
| 06:03.10 | Fox_1_ | which version of kde in etch? |
| 06:03.20 | valdyn | !info kdebase etch |
| 06:03.25 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 06:03.42 | Fox_1_ | ok, thanks |
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| 06:08.11 | urz | hey |
| 06:08.27 | urz | i upgraded to 2.6.18 and my X problem is over |
| 06:08.29 | urz | thanks a lot |
| 06:08.37 | urz | i appreciate it |
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| 06:12.39 | lunitik | 2.6.18 is in Debian? |
| 06:13.04 | urz | ya |
| 06:13.08 | urz | etch |
| 06:13.35 | lunitik | ahh |
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| 06:14.09 | urz | no |
| 06:14.12 | urz | its unstable |
| 06:14.12 | urz | sid |
| 06:14.28 | urz | i installed it from sid |
| 06:14.54 | urz | i have both sources but it prefers etch when it can, but i named the package directly... |
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| 06:24.02 | eEk | how do you apply a .diff file? |
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| 06:24.41 | cast | with patch |
| 06:25.02 | eEk | what you mean? |
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| 06:25.24 | ^Timo^ | good morning fellows |
| 06:25.25 | ^Timo^ | :) |
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| 06:25.44 | eEk | cast: i have a diff file, what do i do with it? |
| 06:26.09 | ^Timo^ | i have a question what is the command of find out which ports there are in use on my debian server? |
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| 06:26.41 | eEk | ^smack: netstat or lsof |
| 06:26.42 | cahoot | timo lsof -i or netstat -tupan |
| 06:26.51 | eEk | ^Timo^* |
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| 06:28.01 | cast | eEk: depends. maybe learn how to use diff and patch, which should take sub 5min. patch < file.diff with maybe -p0 or -p1 might do the trick, i'm not sure :> |
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| 06:28.46 | ^Timo^ | ok thnx |
| 06:29.28 | ^Timo^ | btw i want to have a clean debian that's only in use for server handling can someone tell me which prossen i can't remove ? |
| 06:29.30 | ^Timo^ | http://pastebin.ca/193784 |
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| 06:30.58 | valdyn | ^Timo^: and? we should tell you which processes you can 'kill', that's just stupid |
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| 06:31.32 | ^Timo^ | valdyn : no i want you guys to tell me which programs i can uninstall |
| 06:31.36 | ^Timo^ | which i don't need |
| 06:31.49 | valdyn | ^Timo^: how are we supposed to know what you need? |
| 06:31.52 | vulture | ^Timo^: if you did a base install without doing tasksel & dselect, you should have a base install |
| 06:32.15 | valdyn | ^Timo^: you obviously have X an gnome running, both are useless for a server |
| 06:32.17 | vulture | but you didn't, so you got what you asked for.. |
| 06:33.14 | ^Timo^ | valdyn : i want only a debian server which i use for ircd qmail and apache mysql php and that kind of stuff only the things i need for server handling |
| 06:33.29 | ^Timo^ | what does getty do? |
| 06:33.31 | valdyn | ^Timo^: so remove X and gnome |
| 06:33.33 | valdyn | !remove X |
| 06:33.33 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 06:33.35 | valdyn | !remove gnome |
| 06:33.35 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 06:34.33 | cast | are we becoming a party to botnet creation by helping ^Timo^ setup a server? :\ |
| 06:34.35 | ^Timo^ | valdyn : gnome is desktop right ? |
| 06:34.45 | valdyn | ^Timo^: yes |
| 06:34.48 | ^Timo^ | what does "getty" do ? |
| 06:34.57 | ^Timo^ | it a copple of time in my list |
| 06:34.57 | valdyn | ^Timo^: man getty |
| 06:35.01 | valdyn | ^Timo^: you need it |
| 06:35.09 | ^Timo^ | ok :) |
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| 06:35.20 | ^Timo^ | do i need this process |
| 06:35.22 | ^Timo^ | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 670/portmap |
| 06:35.44 | valdyn | ^Timo^: depends on which services you want to run, you probably do not |
| 06:35.46 | wols_ | no |
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| 06:35.53 | valdyn | ^Timo^: apt-get remove portmap |
| 06:36.10 | ^Timo^ | i don't need that ? |
| 06:36.17 | liable | gnome prolly wants it |
| 06:36.23 | luge | timo that is for nfs |
| 06:36.27 | valdyn | gnome does not need it |
| 06:36.29 | wols_ | liable: no. nfs and the like does |
| 06:37.01 | wols_ | ^Timo^: you'd be better off to read a book about linux and get a clue instead of us setting up your server |
| 06:37.12 | valdyn | oh, and ^Timo^ does not need gnome |
| 06:37.15 | liable | well.. i am pretty fucking sure something in gnome depends on portmap.. |
| 06:37.15 | wols_ | otherwise what cast predicted will come true |
| 06:37.22 | Growly | wols_ - woah. |
| 06:37.22 | valdyn | liable: no |
| 06:37.23 | Growly | woah. |
| 06:37.43 | wols_ | liable: then you need to start fucking elsewhere :P |
| 06:37.44 | wols_ | Growly: ? |
| 06:38.26 | valdyn | liable: fam needs portmap, gnome needs either fam or ganim, not necessarily fam |
| 06:38.34 | Growly | etc. |
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| 06:39.00 | liable | valdyn: well, there was a relationship there nontheless |
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| 06:39.36 | valdyn | liable: yea, true, the dependency is that ugly that one can easily get to the conclusion that gnome wont install w/o fam |
| 06:39.55 | valdyn | liable: unless in some cases you already know about ganim and install it actively |
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| 06:41.19 | liable | valdyn: i only noticed it cause i usually make sure i remove portmap first off after an install, then gnome reinstalled it, i never really bothered to chase down the real depends, but i just removed both anyway.. glad someone else brought this up :) |
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| 06:41.50 | XoR | how can i run apache2.2 (from sid) with php5 if this error? =>Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Syntax error on line 116 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: API module structure `php5_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? |
| 06:41.50 | XoR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:42.45 | wols_ | XoR: either you wait til it's fixed or you install apache2 from etch |
| 06:43.06 | liable | wtf are am i seeing so many people running apache on sid boxen? |
| 06:43.32 | wols_ | cause kiddie runs sid. sarge or even atch "are not cool enough" |
| 06:43.32 | XoR | ok |
| 06:43.45 | wols_ | *every kiddie |
| 06:44.20 | exobyte | is there an easy way to get the absolute path of some file? |
| 06:44.27 | wols_ | wonder if iceweasel 2.0 makes it into etch. I hope so |
| 06:44.42 | exobyte | wols_: probably will, politics and all |
| 06:44.43 | liable | mind boggles, sure run a server on sid if your very up with debian, but the amount of people coming here since this apache2 bug and not knowing what to do has surprised me |
| 06:46.37 | liable | i spose there mostly home servers, but.. oh well, dunno why i care really. :/ |
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| 06:46.46 | XoR | liable: i'm runing debian sid on my testing PC, but not server! |
| 06:47.19 | liable | XoR: sure, as a desktop, lots do, i have just been surprised by this apache thing |
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| 06:48.31 | XoR | liable: i dont know why release apache2 if it does not work with php! |
| 06:48.46 | Guerin | XoR: it does, thought |
| 06:48.54 | Guerin | s/thought/though/ |
| 06:48.55 | XoR | how? |
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| 06:49.21 | Guerin | XoR: 1. install apache 2. install php 3. configure 4. beer |
| 06:49.30 | liable | exobyte: dpkg -S file |
| 06:49.38 | XoR | Guerin: sorry i think apache2.2 |
| 06:49.43 | liable | yes, beer |
| 06:49.57 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:50.01 | Guerin | i don't know about 2.2 |
| 06:50.01 | XoR | if compile from source - then ok! |
| 06:50.10 | Guerin | wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't, though |
| 06:50.39 | Guerin | since one cannot continue to make webserver software to cope with the stupidities of one scripting language |
| 06:50.48 | Guerin | it didn't work for a while when 2.0 was released, iirc |
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| 06:50.53 | liable | !blame php |
| 06:52.01 | liable | hrm, i decided to use ravenbird a while ago, but the ! is a hard habit to break.. |
| 06:53.31 | cast | wols_: ahh. gamin not ganim, and cool...it annoyed me to no end that gnome installed portmap |
| 06:54.00 | wols_ | Guerin: the packages in sid of apache2.2 are borken. not apache2.2 per se |
| 06:54.12 | jzu_ | DAMN |
| 06:54.24 | liable | fam was another annoting thing that i had forgotten to remove in usual corse |
| 06:54.31 | liable | annoying.. |
| 06:54.38 | jzu_ | I don't know if I should enable gresecuritys Sysctl support or not :( |
| 06:55.04 | jzu_ | so I could change Grsecuritys options without having to recompile kernel |
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| 06:59.00 | liable | Guerin: do you guys get bathurst televised over there? |
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| 07:03.42 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:03.42 | dpkg | -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
| 07:04.22 | eEk | how do you patch something with a .diff file? |
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| 07:04.37 | streuner | eEk: /msg dpkg patch |
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| 07:05.24 | Guerin | liable: yeah |
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| 07:05.30 | Guerin | liable: dunno if it's on fta though |
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| 07:06.17 | liable | oh |
| 07:06.36 | RvGaTe | good morning freenode |
| 07:06.48 | streuner | heh |
| 07:06.58 | Guerin | wols_: makes sense |
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| 07:08.09 | eEk | streuner: what's the number represent again? |
| 07:08.22 | eEk | 1 and 0 like -p0, -p1 |
| 07:08.33 | deadcat | anyone know if the nvidia in experimental is good for AIGLX? |
| 07:08.51 | tralala | eEk: it's explained in the manual |
| 07:09.27 | cbr | deadcat: after installing it, my X wouldnt start, but thats just me |
| 07:09.44 | deadcat | cbr: from experimental eh? thanks. i better wait (= |
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| 07:13.18 | liable | eEk: how deep the patch traverses in the dir you call it from |
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| 07:14.11 | psychonate | How can I open a terminal, have it execute 'ls' and *REMAIN* open? |
| 07:14.25 | psychonate | 'Eterm -e ls' closes as soon as 'ls' terminates |
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| 07:20.20 | Stormyturtle | DCC SEND HELLOEVERYONE 0 0 0 |
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| 07:21.12 | vin` | psychonate: router sucks? |
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| 07:21.37 | psychonate | vin`, eh, why do you say that? |
| 07:22.00 | vin` | psychonate: ask lunitik |
| 07:22.19 | wols_ | psychonate: cause you quit after Stormyturtle did his asshole thing. |
| 07:22.34 | wols_ | get a newer firmware for your router if what you said dropped your connection |
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| 07:22.45 | ^Timo^ | Hi |
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| 07:23.16 | ^Timo^ | i have installed mysql-server how can i install it without exim4 |
| 07:23.20 | chemaja | can anyone please confirm that alien DOESN'T include scripts when converting from rpm to deb? |
| 07:23.57 | chemaja | according to the man page, the `--scripts' switch "is enabled by default when converting from lsb packages" |
| 07:24.25 | wols_ | chemaja: do not use alien |
| 07:24.30 | wols_ | tix64: you need a MTA |
| 07:24.36 | ^Timo^ | http://pastebin.ca/193821 thats what he install if i apt-get install mysql-server |
| 07:24.39 | wols_ | ^Timo^: you need an MTA |
| 07:24.49 | ^Timo^ | wols : i want qmail :) |
| 07:25.02 | wols_ | then install qmail and then mysql-server |
| 07:25.05 | wols_ | btw: poor you |
| 07:25.18 | ^Timo^ | ok :) |
| 07:25.39 | chemaja | wols_, what is your reasoning? I need to install VMware-server-1.0.1 -- i can either use their binary tar.gz or their binary rpm -- i figured it'd be "cleaner" to use the rpm, but now i'm not so sure. |
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| 07:25.47 | wols_ | chemaja: if you use alien packages, no one can help you in here anymore, period |
| 07:26.07 | wols_ | no it's not cleaner. it will fuck your system up sooner or later (alien debs that is) |
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| 07:26.21 | ma3x | hi |
| 07:26.31 | sudharsh | Hello everyone amarok is complaining that 'Amarok: [Loader] Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp.' |
| 07:26.38 | chemaja | wols_, agreed, but all i was asking was for someone who has experienced installation of a rpm-to-deb'd package, to see if they noticed if scripts are converted. |
| 07:26.45 | ma3x | I tried to update the rom of an external enclosure, and I got powered off. now it doesn't detect anything. what should I do? there is no RESET button on this externla enclosure board |
| 07:26.48 | sudharsh | what do i do? |
| 07:27.09 | wols_ | chemaja: why if you shouldn't use alien'ed debs in the first place? trust me, tar.gz is always better than alien |
| 07:27.23 | chemaja | wols_, and my options are a dirty VMware install and Debian, or switching back to XP (this is my work PC) |
| 07:27.32 | wols_ | ma3x: this is a debian problem how? |
| 07:27.38 | chemaja | thanks wols_ |
| 07:27.40 | wols_ | !tell chemaja about checkinstall |
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| 07:27.50 | sudharsh | !amarok |
| 07:27.51 | dpkg | hmm... amarok is THE audio player for KDE |
| 07:28.07 | wols_ | sudharsh: are you trying to debug it? |
| 07:28.51 | psychonate | I'm dedicated to XMMS |
| 07:29.02 | sudharsh | wols_: no mate..just installed etch today morning..used apt-get to download binaries |
| 07:29.15 | ma3x | wols_, nope, just thought you guys could know something about hardware too that could help me out and save me 30 euro |
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| 07:29.40 | chemaja | wols_, so checkinstall is *not* part of the etch archive? how ironic! |
| 07:29.44 | wols_ | ma3x: stop making #debian into #hardware. you're doing this for days now |
| 07:29.56 | Guerin | psychonate: what a boring thing to be dedicated to |
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| 07:30.07 | chemaja | wols_, oh, it's in unstable. |
| 07:30.08 | chemaja | :( |
| 07:30.17 | wols_ | chemaja: as a good little debian zealot you're only supposed to install debian approved packages of course. no need for checkinstall then. :) |
| 07:30.19 | psychonate | Guerin, perhaps, but what is better? |
| 07:30.29 | chemaja | wols_, i'm a bad little debian zealot |
| 07:30.30 | lunitik | Anyone know the port to use if you're effected by the router issues? |
| 07:30.32 | Guerin | psychonate: depends what you want |
| 07:30.33 | psychonate | Guerin, I use it mostly for the plugins, so I can play diverse formats |
| 07:30.40 | diazepam | hey guys does anyone know of a linux application that acts like google desktop (but instead is centrally run from a server) and has a web interface that intranet clients can perform searches from? |
| 07:30.42 | Guerin | psychonate: i use mplayer for that |
| 07:30.42 | lunitik | I thought it was 8881 but its not connecting :/ |
| 07:30.55 | wols_ | lunitik: what issue? |
| 07:31.02 | Guerin | lunitik: for freenode? or just randomly? |
| 07:31.16 | psychonate | Guerin, true, but I like a nice list from which I may select files |
| 07:31.19 | lunitik | wols_: netgear issues... disconnects regularly etc... |
| 07:31.24 | lunitik | Guerin: freenode only |
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| 07:31.30 | Guerin | lunitik: #freenode |
| 07:31.40 | ma3x | wols_, okay man, what you so angry about it |
| 07:31.44 | lunitik | abrotman knows about it... but he's not around apparently :/ |
| 07:31.48 | Guerin | psychonate: well, a gui on a music player makes it useless to me |
| 07:31.49 | Werdnum | In the debian build of apache2, how can I have different directories executed under different uids? |
| 07:32.04 | lunitik | Guerin: meh... I hate #freenode... by the time I get voice... I forget why I joined :/ |
| 07:32.13 | cahoot | psychonate: maybe this? http://aqualung.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 07:32.26 | Guerin | lunitik: /msg an op to get voice then |
| 07:33.36 | wols_ | cahoot: will it play more than Jethro Tull? |
| 07:34.01 | cahoot | wols_: seems to to Hendrix too |
| 07:34.16 | wols_ | lunitik: /stats p and msg that op |
| 07:34.22 | wols_ | cahoot: what a selection! :) |
| 07:34.26 | Werdnum | ~tell me about suexec |
| 07:34.32 | nvz | whats wrong with Jethro Tull? |
| 07:34.32 | Werdnum | ~tell me about apache |
| 07:34.35 | Werdnum | !apache |
| 07:34.35 | dpkg | it has been said that apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; see (apache-common ; apache-dev ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl); they are also Native Americans. or cool helicopters, or ask me about apache-perl5.6, or ask me about apache manual |
| 07:34.37 | Werdnum | !suexec |
| 07:34.42 | psychonate | cahoot, that might actually do well; I'm surprised it supports musepack and monkey's |
| 07:34.51 | wols_ | nvz: nothing at all. but it gets monotnous after a while if it's all you can hear :) |
| 07:35.40 | Guerin | i'm surprised anything bothers to support musepack and monkeys |
| 07:35.52 | Guerin | they're fucking useless when we have flac |
| 07:36.00 | chemaja | so does anyone have any experience in installing the vmware server tar.gz binary package using checkinstall? does it work? |
| 07:36.03 | Guerin | wols_: #apache |
| 07:36.03 | cahoot | Guerin: it manages flac too |
| 07:36.06 | Guerin | Werdnum: #apache |
| 07:36.10 | Guerin | cahoot: yes. |
| 07:36.39 | psychonate | Guerin, I agree, but--suffice to say--I did not create the files in question... |
| 07:36.57 | Guerin | psychonate: they're lossless, convert them to something good |
| 07:37.18 | Guerin | psychonate: i had this problem for a while, then I wrote a shell script to re-encode everything which was in stupid formats |
| 07:37.20 | psychonate | Guerin, true, but then I'd have to retag any that have tags |
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| 07:37.30 | Guerin | ran overnight, and now all my shit is in ogg, flac or mp3 |
| 07:37.38 | Guerin | bah, tags are worthless |
| 07:37.45 | psychonate | I like them :( |
| 07:37.46 | wols_ | Guerin: even the lossy bits? |
| 07:37.52 | Guerin | they're not standardised, so they're not reliably available |
| 07:38.13 | Guerin | all pertinent information lives in a filename |
| 07:38.22 | psychonate | Guerin, eh, XMMS actually does a fair job of displaying most tags |
| 07:38.26 | Guerin | wols_: which lossy bits? mpc and mac are lossless |
| 07:38.31 | cahoot | Guerin: well linux *is* among other things about freedom of choice |
| 07:38.45 | Guerin | cahoot: sure. People are 100% free to choose stupid shit |
| 07:38.49 | psychonate | Guerin, actually, I don't think mpc is always lossless, but I could be wrong |
| 07:38.52 | Guerin | which is non-free |
| 07:39.11 | Guerin | psychonate: it's not, but that's even more stupid than annything, since you never know |
| 07:39.35 | psychonate | Guerin, well, I suppose I could check the file size |
| 07:39.47 | Guerin | psychonate: why should you have to? |
| 07:39.52 | psychonate | even so, it'd be nice to have mpc support for that reason |
| 07:39.54 | Guerin | this is the thing about formats |
| 07:40.23 | Guerin | people have always been prepared to serttle for stupid shit like bad coidec choices, drm, lack of functionality, bad license |
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| 07:40.53 | psychonate | Guerin, like I said, I didn't create the files; I just use them |
| 07:41.00 | Guerin | psychonate: yeah. |
| 07:41.12 | psychonate | Guerin, perhaps I have been lazy, since I haven't converted the lossless files, but hey |
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| 07:41.33 | Guerin | oh, sure |
| 07:41.40 | Guerin | laziness is one thing |
| 07:42.00 | Guerin | but the fact that people ENCODE music in these stupid formats is what's insane to me |
| 07:42.08 | psychonate | Guerin, when I cared about formats, I tried to advocate xvid for video, flac/ogg for audio, and ogm/mkv for containers |
| 07:42.26 | Guerin | psychonate: you used to care? what made you not? |
| 07:42.33 | cast | isn't mpeg4 patented to hell? |
| 07:42.34 | Guerin | learned to stop worrying and love the wmv? |
| 07:42.44 | Guerin | cast: yes and no. |
| 07:42.54 | Guerin | cast: yes, it is; no, it's not being enforced. |
| 07:42.59 | psychonate | Guerin, haha no; I just haven't had to encode anything for quite some time |
| 07:43.06 | cast | Guerin: ahh. yeah...the most dangerous situation |
| 07:43.35 | psychonate | Guerin, dvd burners sort of superannuated my video encoding |
| 07:43.43 | Guerin | cast: right. The idea is to create such a huge corpus of material between now and when they start enforcing it that choosing to enforce it would mean pissing off EVERYONE in the world |
| 07:44.03 | psychonate | Guerin, and I only had so much of my own purchased music to encode/compress |
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| 07:44.42 | Guerin | i haven't even been anywhere I can realistically buy music for four years |
| 07:44.48 | Guerin | i can now, I suppose |
| 07:44.55 | Guerin | but now I'm a broke student |
| 07:45.06 | psychonate | Guerin, I can sympathize with you |
| 07:45.23 | cast | psychonate: theora is better than mpeg4 IMHO, aside from higher cpu usage but with a recent cpu you'll be fine |
| 07:45.45 | Guerin | theora is pretty cool, but maturity is important |
| 07:45.50 | psychonate | cast, when I was still encoding video, theora wasn't so far along IMO, so I know little about it |
| 07:46.20 | Guerin | ogg vorbis/flac are mature enough that I trust them now, but I still think mpeg4 is king |
| 07:46.24 | Guerin | for video |
| 07:46.53 | psychonate | I agree, though I am no expert |
| 07:46.56 | Guerin | as far as mpeg4 goes, I have nothing but goodness to say about x264 |
| 07:47.03 | Guerin | even though IT is still immature |
| 07:47.14 | psychonate | never heard of it |
| 07:47.15 | cast | well, the release status of theora is a bit deceptive, i'd call it mature enough for general use |
| 07:47.38 | Guerin | cast: i haven't messed with it in about a year, so much has probably changed |
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| 07:50.10 | toraton | Hi |
| 07:50.29 | toraton | So, I'm working with autotools, and I've got a pretty simple question... |
| 07:50.46 | toraton | When a .deb is installed, is sysconfdir usually changed to be /etc ? |
| 07:51.02 | toraton | On my system, sysconfdir seems to be /usr/local/etc by default |
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| 08:06.05 | qmr | What is proper way to install PHP? I have installed but it is not parsing files served by apache |
| 08:07.42 | qmr | I believe I did a aptitude install php4 to get where I am now |
| 08:07.43 | qmr | this is wahtever latest stable is. I think 3.2 |
| 08:08.28 | qmr | I think the bot answered my question :D |
| 08:10.02 | RvGaTe | i hate those kind o people |
| 08:10.15 | RvGaTe | asking questions, and leaving 20 secs after |
| 08:10.26 | RvGaTe | :( |
| 08:11.24 | Anarka | at least he wont nag you for 3 hours :P |
| 08:12.01 | RvGaTe | true...true... |
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| 08:12.31 | Coweater | he got an answer he said, what's wrong with that? |
| 08:12.31 | cast | does that mean you love me? is usbmount supposed to work out of the box? i've installed it, read the documentation but when i plug in a usb drive nothing happens other than the usual being assigned to sdX |
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| 08:13.40 | shinobi2 | anyone know how to use octave or gnuplot? |
| 08:13.46 | cast | yes and yes |
| 08:13.56 | shinobi2 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/k6j3Ed17.html <-- i have a problem |
| 08:14.14 | shinobi2 | cast: some sort of error, i don't get it |
| 08:14.19 | cast | let me have a look |
| 08:14.44 | shinobi2 | i type "ocatve data.m" at command line |
| 08:15.25 | RvGaTe | looks like chineese to me |
| 08:15.33 | cast | works fine for me except for the text() line |
| 08:16.15 | cast | going text() then plot() works though :) |
| 08:16.22 | nvz | and to think I was gonna go to bed early.. as in like 8pm.. looks like I am going to bed early.. but as in 4:15am |
| 08:16.28 | cast | shinobi2: how about start octave then type 'data'? |
| 08:16.28 | shinobi2 | cast: why window close so fast, can't see |
| 08:17.00 | cast | you're problem is a 'my program finishs without pausing and i don't see anything' |
| 08:17.05 | wols_ | shinobi2: then open an xterm? |
| 08:17.18 | cast | wols_: his graph will disappear still |
| 08:17.27 | shinobi2 | cast: thx, for part 2 |
| 08:17.37 | cast | shinobi2: add a 'pause' |
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| 08:18.18 | shinobi2 | cast: 'pause' works nicely |
| 08:18.27 | cast | eh, s/you're/your i mean :| |
| 08:20.04 | shinobi2 | cast: i switched, still text() error http://rafb.net/paste/results/CJtP0j75.html |
| 08:20.50 | cast | isn't all you get a warning? |
| 08:21.24 | shinobi2 | error: `text' undefined near line 4 column 1 |
| 08:21.46 | shinobi2 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/CJtP0j75.html <-- line 4 |
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| 08:21.58 | gurkan | !popcon |
| 08:21.58 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:23.17 | cast | can't really help you yo. runs fine here, http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4866/octavescriptiw2.png |
| 08:24.49 | vin` | gurkan: what're the stats for popcon on popcon? |
| 08:25.19 | gurkan | vin`: the packages installed, recently used, unused etc |
| 08:25.36 | shinobi2 | cast: thx, probably my octave/gnuplot is newer |
| 08:25.43 | shinobi2 | what version are you running |
| 08:25.47 | cast | sarge |
| 08:25.54 | vin` | gurkan: no, no, how's the package popcon doing? in terms of installations/use etc. |
| 08:26.06 | cast | gnuplot 4.0.0-2 octave 2.1.69-1 |
| 08:26.07 | gurkan | vin`: just install it, and it works, maybe reconfigure it |
| 08:26.16 | gurkan | vin`: with testing+ it supports http submissions |
| 08:26.38 | vin` | gurkan: I have it installed, configured and running since more than a year now. |
| 08:26.59 | shinobi2 | GNU Octave, version 2.1.72 (i486-pc-linux-gnu). cast |
| 08:27.07 | vin` | gurkan: that wasn't my question though. |
| 08:27.21 | shinobi2 | gnuplot 4.0 patchlevel 0 ; cast |
| 08:28.09 | gurkan | vin`: ok try to rephrase your question |
| 08:28.22 | gurkan | vin`: for what they are used? |
| 08:28.31 | gurkan | vin`: to decide which software goes onto which cd? |
| 08:28.46 | gurkan | vin`: like the most used software goes to number 1, 2nd most to cd 2... |
| 08:28.55 | g00se | How do i raise screen resolution in xfce4 or is that done in xdm? |
| 08:29.09 | gurkan | g00se: in the X configuration |
| 08:29.11 | gurkan | !drx |
| 08:29.12 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 08:29.55 | vin` | gurkan: popularity-contest 17043 15035 458 1548 2 (this was that I was referring to.) |
| 08:30.18 | g00se | I was afraid of such. I can get per-user resolutions configs that way presumably? |
| 08:30.20 | gurkan | vin`: that's the package name, yes? |
| 08:30.59 | shinobi2 | cast: can you tell me your version for octave and gnuplot? |
| 08:31.07 | JimPanic | Hmm, got a little problem with my evdev package as it seems. X complains about evdev's ABI minor version which is newer than the server's -- any experiences, suggestions? |
| 08:31.25 | gurkan | !UTSL |
| 08:31.26 | dpkg | i guess utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
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| 08:32.35 | cast | shinobi2: i just did |
| 08:32.45 | shinobi2 | cast: yes, sorry |
| 08:32.58 | g00se | gurkan: thanks. I'm surprised drx(x) isn't already on the system... |
| 08:33.46 | shinobi2 | cast: thx for your help, take care |
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| 08:35.49 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:35.49 | dpkg | i heard qotd78 is <BiZARRE> why cant I type my password when I try to login? <Phated> BiZARRE: Your password isn't echoed to the console. <BiZARRE> what? <BiZARRE> well, how do I type in the password? <Seb> BiZARRE: you hit the keys one by one <BiZARRE> nothing happens when I hit the keys <paulswm> UNtil you hit 'enter' <BiZARRE> the only key working is enter <BiZARRE> ok |
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| 08:38.02 | g00se | tarzeau: what was the rationale for no echo chars btw? |
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| 08:39.02 | SpComb | you mean you want your password to be visible on the screen? |
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| 08:39.16 | SpComb | although some *** would be nice... it does reveal the length of the password though |
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| 08:41.28 | wols_ | xingu: popcon counts the packages you have installed. If package A depends on B, you must have both A and B installed meaning B must be at least as popular as A |
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| 08:42.08 | g00se | SpComb. Perhaps. Maybe some indication that a password is being entered would have been nice |
| 08:42.13 | kristalino | hi. Is there a game like micromachines on debian ? |
| 08:42.19 | wols_ | only time this might be different are with things like MTA since everybody might have a different MTA which is actually a different package |
| 08:42.24 | cast | kristalino: lol. |
| 08:42.36 | kristalino | cast, LOLE. |
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| 08:45.27 | xingu | wols_: seems fair; was just thinking through that if one use of the data is to bias the package lists when assembling cd's - your worst case is a popular package with a dependancy chain that straddles multiple cd's |
| 08:45.37 | xingu | wols_: that, could get annoying quick if it happened |
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| 08:48.33 | qmr | I am trying to do a new install and security.debian.org is not connecting!!! |
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| 08:51.10 | qmr | Anyone awake? |
| 08:51.19 | mike__ | yes hello |
| 08:51.23 | Eclipser | no |
| 08:51.35 | mike__ | barely |
| 08:52.13 | mike__ | sarge net install? |
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| 08:54.50 | qmr | mike__: yesh!@ |
| 08:55.22 | mike__ | I net installed 4.0,,excellent |
| 08:55.32 | qmr | I am using 3.1 |
| 08:55.38 | qmr | 4.0 are you c razy |
| 08:55.45 | mike__ | 3.1 is very dated |
| 08:55.47 | qmr | you will tear a rip in the space-time continuum!!!! |
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| 08:55.59 | mike__ | ok Etch |
| 08:56.04 | asercamoyero | hello |
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| 08:56.18 | mike__ | uhha |
| 08:56.20 | multi_io | anyone here using the HP printer driver? |
| 08:56.26 | asercamoyero | i am a spanish linux user |
| 08:56.31 | asercamoyero | from extremadura (linex) |
| 08:56.39 | mike__ | asercamoyero: hp is well suported |
| 08:56.49 | qmr | mike__: 3.1 is the latest 'stable' yea? |
| 08:56.59 | mike__ | until Dec |
| 08:57.05 | qmr | ok <3 |
| 08:57.07 | mike__ | then deb..4.0 |
| 08:57.10 | asercamoyero | yes,... |
| 08:57.15 | asercamoyero | i have a question |
| 08:57.19 | qmr | dist-upgrade ?! |
| 08:57.23 | qmr | I am somewhat new to debian |
| 08:57.24 | mike__ | been using it for several mnths |
| 08:57.26 | qmr | it is seeming pretty cool though |
| 08:57.47 | asercamoyero | can anyone here use xgl in debian correctly? |
| 08:57.58 | asercamoyero | i cant |
| 08:57.59 | qmr | especially compared to bsd. started a fbsd install on this server I'm building for client... then it's like... what's the point? blah blah compile blah blah wait wait wait |
| 08:58.00 | mike__ | qmr: It is and 4.0 is a major step forward |
| 08:58.40 | multi_io | mike__: were you talking to me? ("hp is well supported") |
| 08:59.01 | qmr | mike__: hum |
| 08:59.51 | qmr | I gots to do some burnin tests before I put this box in production |
| 08:59.52 | qmr | brb |
| 09:00.19 | mike__ | 3ddesktop now works well in etch |
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| 09:00.27 | qmr | cpuburn running <3 |
| 09:00.37 | wols_ | security.debian.org works fine |
| 09:00.45 | qmr | took *forever* to do anything |
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| 09:01.28 | asercamoyero | where are you from? |
| 09:01.28 | qmr | biez, taking this box offline |
| 09:01.32 | qmr | me? |
| 09:01.32 | JimPanic | Is anyone in here using evdev on Etch with a Logitech cordless mouse-keyboard combo (one reciever)? |
| 09:01.38 | mike__ | me..NZ |
| 09:01.54 | asercamoyero | im spanish but i can speak a little english, but no much ^^ |
| 09:02.14 | mike__ | JimPanic: I have not tested cordless as yet |
| 09:02.17 | nkuttler | asercamoyero: try /msg dpkg xgl |
| 09:02.40 | nkuttler | !es |
| 09:02.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:02.59 | JimPanic | It seems like evdev got updated, but Xorg not? Very weird, actually. |
| 09:03.36 | asercamoyero | what?? :S /msg dpkg xgl |
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| 09:04.14 | wols_ | !tell asercamoyero about xgl |
| 09:04.27 | wols_ | asercamoyero: what branch of debian are you running? |
| 09:05.27 | asercamoyero | what is branch? |
| 09:05.35 | asercamoyero | i am using debian sarge |
| 09:05.42 | wols_ | stable testing or unstable? |
| 09:05.48 | asercamoyero | stable |
| 09:05.54 | asercamoyero | 2.6.18 |
| 09:06.22 | wols_ | asercamoyero: cannot work. xgl won't work in sfree86 |
| 09:06.42 | asercamoyero | i think i dont have xfree86, i have xorg |
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| 09:07.06 | wols_ | a backport? cause xorg is not in stable either, neither is kernel 1.6.18 |
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| 09:07.29 | asercamoyero | i dont understand you very well |
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| 09:07.56 | asercamoyero | if i write xorgconfig in a console, i can configure some things |
| 09:08.03 | asercamoyero | then i thing i have xorg |
| 09:08.50 | wols_ | asercamoyero: are you running a distro based on debian or an original debian? |
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| 09:09.06 | wols_ | there is no xorgconfig in debian... |
| 09:09.19 | asercamoyero | a distro based on debian, its name is LinEx from my region |
| 09:09.27 | asercamoyero | LinEx 2006 |
| 09:09.31 | karsten | wols_: xbase-clients |
| 09:09.31 | wols_ | then ask linex people |
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| 09:09.42 | karsten | !not debian |
| 09:09.42 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 09:09.50 | wols_ | karsten: package.debian.org can't find it in either testing or unstable |
| 09:09.52 | ma3x | wtf did the logo get removed off firefox? |
| 09:10.08 | karsten | wols_: auto-apt search xorgconfig: usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig x11/xbase-clients |
| 09:10.10 | wols_ | !tell ma3x about iceweasel |
| 09:10.26 | wols_ | karsten: testing or sid? |
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| 09:10.39 | asercamoyero | linex is debian! |
| 09:10.39 | godog | but !not debian means debian being a double negation? |
| 09:10.41 | JimPanic | GNaarrrh. I just want my Xorg to work! |
| 09:10.41 | karsten | wols_: Sec. |
| 09:10.59 | karsten | asercamoyero: Trust us, it's not. Keep this up and you're going to get ignored if you're lucky, kickbanned if you're not. |
| 09:11.06 | wols_ | asercamoyero: then why has it a different name than debian? |
| 09:11.14 | asercamoyero | ¬¬ |
| 09:11.18 | ma3x | so is there package for that iceweasel? |
| 09:11.20 | asercamoyero | is a distro based on debian |
| 09:11.22 | karsten | godog: ! is dpkg's attention signal. Don't be an ass. |
| 09:11.31 | karsten | !ops asercamoyero not debian not getting it. |
| 09:11.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: asercamoyero not debian not getting it. |
| 09:11.32 | asercamoyero | but the structure is debian |
| 09:11.37 | karsten | asercamoyero: Leave. Now. |
| 09:11.54 | wols_ | asercamoyero: but it is not debian, and won't change. ask tem not us |
| 09:12.09 | Braindead | asercamoyero: ask the linex guys. they're spanish and it's *their* distro |
| 09:12.11 | godog | karsten: thanks for pointing out, I forgot the smiley |
| 09:12.37 | karsten | godog: Sorry, a tad testy. And that's not a useful comment when there's one idiot in the channel already. |
| 09:12.43 | asercamoyero | sorry, thanks you |
| 09:12.50 | godog | karsten: :> |
| 09:13.50 | karsten | wols_: How do I get auto-apt to give package version details? |
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| 09:13.55 | wols_ | no clue. I don't even have auto-apt installed |
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| 09:14.08 | wols_ | I used packages.debian.org |
| 09:14.12 | karsten | OK. |
| 09:14.21 | wols_ | and I checked both testing and unstable, it couldn't find anything |
| 09:14.30 | godog | rmadison might be of some help as well |
| 09:14.33 | karsten | Yeah, I figured. There's a filename search there as well. It's not a package, it's a file w/in a package. |
| 09:14.36 | karsten | rmadison? |
| 09:15.00 | godog | karsten: devscripts packages, queries packages.d.o from commandline more or less |
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| 09:15.24 | godog | i.e. madison-compatible output |
| 09:15.28 | karsten | wols_: And I'd think it's etch/sid, as it's xorg. Sorta doesn't make sense in sarge. |
| 09:15.37 | karsten | Not familiar w/ madison |
| 09:15.46 | wols_ | I did a filename search for it in both. and it simply is not there |
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| 09:17.04 | Maulkin | hmm |
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| 09:17.22 | mihur | hi |
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| 09:18.24 | mihur | I'm trying to upgrade from etch to unstable on amd64, most packages appear to be fine with the exception of bzip, cpp, gcc, perl, php5-dev, vim, and a few others. all of which show stuff like: bzip2: Depends: libbz2-1.0 (= 1.0.3-3) but 1.0.3-6 is to be installed can anyone tell me what am I doing wrong? I googled around and couldn't find anyone mentioning a problem of upgrading from etch to unstable |
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| 09:19.27 | karsten | wols_: Interesting. Might be stale data. pdo packagelist doesn't show the file. |
| 09:19.35 | blondie | mihur: it's unstable |
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| 09:19.41 | blondie | and that's not just a name |
| 09:19.46 | karsten | wols_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=xbase-clients&version=unstable&arch=i386&page=1&number=all |
| 09:20.14 | mihur | blondie: it may be unstable now, but what about later? I always want to remain with unstable |
| 09:20.27 | blondie | mihur: it will always be unstable |
| 09:20.35 | mihur | I thought sid will always be unstable? |
| 09:20.43 | blondie | it will |
| 09:20.44 | karsten | mihur: You have an unresolved dependency. There's a package which isn't yet available. The packages which depend on that package won't be updated as a result. This is APT Working As It Should[tm] |
| 09:20.58 | blondie | and of course unstable will be unstable always. |
| 09:20.59 | blondie | x.x |
| 09:21.00 | karsten | mihur: Sid Breaks Toys[tm] |
| 09:21.18 | tralala | !break |
| 09:21.18 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 09:21.23 | mihur | I've been running sid a bunch of other machines for years, always been happy with it |
| 09:21.36 | blondie | then you know how to fix it |
| 09:21.36 | tralala | !praise mihur |
| 09:21.44 | mihur | I generally do, yes ;) |
| 09:22.14 | vin` | mihur: unstable refers to the constant flux of packages, not necessarily unstable to use. |
| 09:22.21 | wols_ | I just installed xbase-clients 1:7.1.ds-3 [1211kB] from ftp.de.debian.org |
| 09:22.24 | mihur | but if etch is currently unstable, simply switching the apt lines to 'unstable' breaks these packages, why is that? |
| 09:22.26 | wols_ | no xorgconfig anywhere to be seen |
| 09:22.29 | mihur | vin: i know... |
| 09:22.50 | wols_ | mihur: etch is NOT unstable, never was |
| 09:22.58 | karsten | mihur: I'm updating auto-apt now, may have had stale archives. |
| 09:23.05 | wols_ | Sid is unstable and if you'd run debian for years, you should have known |
| 09:23.07 | mihur | wols: that's what I thought ... someone said otherwise just a few lines ago |
| 09:23.14 | blondie | mihur: NO THEY DID NOT |
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| 09:23.22 | blondie | I said unstable was unstable. |
| 09:23.24 | mihur | what did you say then? :) |
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| 09:23.45 | karsten | mihur: /lastlog blondie and stop asking stupid questions. |
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| 09:24.45 | tralala | mihur: why don't you stop by debian.org - and stop asking naming questions here? |
| 09:25.01 | mihur | ah I misunderstood what blondie said, unstable being unstable is just fine |
| 09:25.12 | mihur | I did stop by it before asking questions here |
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| 09:25.27 | mihur | and nowhere I have found an issue of apt-get update / dist-upgrade from etch to sid directly |
| 09:25.36 | mihur | which is what I did, and a bunch of packages won't install |
| 09:25.52 | mihur | while being an unstable user for a few years, I don't know too much about apt. |
| 09:25.53 | karsten | mihur: There may or may not be issues on stable => unstable updates, depending on the status of unstable. |
| 09:25.58 | tralala | mihur: your questions about what's called what suggest otherwise |
| 09:26.16 | karsten | mihur: Mind, when etch is released, sarge => etch should Just Work[tm]. That's the whole idea. |
| 09:26.25 | tralala | mihur: see? That's why they call it "unstable" - it's not guaranteed to work at all. |
| 09:26.27 | wols_ | nite613_: you don't know too much about sid either. both your knowledge deficiencies don't bode well for you running sid (imho) |
| 09:26.27 | mihur | tralala: to be honest, I never remembered the names of the dists, I was always referring to them by stable/testing/unstable |
| 09:26.40 | wols_ | nite613_: sorry. meant mihur |
| 09:26.42 | karsten | tralala: That's not _entirely_ accurate, but... |
| 09:26.55 | mihur | yes, I understand that concept |
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| 09:27.19 | tralala | karsten: I'm open for corrections |
| 09:27.34 | mihur | wols: imo, you can't judge someone by not remembering dist names and or being an expert of apt |
| 09:27.37 | qailer | hello people, I've got a problem with interbet at bootup. Every time I start the computer(when it's been shutdown for some time), the internet doesn't work, I greped the syslog and found that it seemes to work only with ipv6. The weird thing is that if I reboot it always works, any ideas? |
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| 09:27.43 | mihur | and to be honst, your irc-attitude is disgusting |
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| 09:28.05 | mihur | if you find my question too stupid, just don't bother answering it |
| 09:28.24 | wols_ | mihur: I can judge if someone is suited for running sid or not from the first thing you said alone |
| 09:28.26 | tralala | mihur: then you should be able to understand that tracking every "unstable" issue in #debian or debian.org is a waste of time and energy. There is bts for this purpose. |
| 09:28.33 | karsten | tralala: while it's true that unstable may be broken, it's more about both contents of archives and individual packages changing, significantly, during the release cycle. |
| 09:28.34 | mihur | wols: hardly |
| 09:28.56 | tralala | !offense |
| 09:28.56 | dpkg | i heard offense is don't take offense at things in IRC, none of us exist, we're just lines of text on your screen, or we're all volunteers here, we don't owe you anything. If you don't like something here, tough luck. |
| 09:29.08 | karsten | mihur: Well, it does get annoying, particularly when the questions are answered elsewhere and/or you really should know this stuff before running sid. |
| 09:29.11 | mihur | tralala: prior to even doing anything else, I 'upgdated' my othe runstable machines and had no problem with these packages, from the same sources.list file |
| 09:30.02 | karsten | tralala: Martin Krafft's book does a nice job of both describing this and pointing to the proper debian.org website ref which I can't find ATM. |
| 09:30.07 | mihur | I don't prented to be a master, guru or expert, those who do are usually wrong. |
| 09:30.09 | tralala | mihur: maybe something has changed in between. Sid is constantly changing. |
| 09:30.25 | karsten | tralala: http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ |
| 09:30.31 | xingu | fifteen minutes worth of bit-free babble about release naming is fourteen minutes and fifty nine seconds too many |
| 09:30.35 | karsten | tralala: ... seems to mostly cover it. See the last paragraph. |
| 09:30.41 | mihur | tralala: I just did so a few seconds after apt broke when changing sources.list |
| 09:30.44 | karsten | xingu: Yathink? |
| 09:30.45 | mihur | alright, I'll read it through |
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| 09:31.34 | karsten | qailer: sec... |
| 09:31.53 | karsten | qailer: What's your network connection? Wired, wifi, dialup, other? |
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| 09:32.08 | qailer | karsten: wired ethernet to a dhcp router |
| 09:32.31 | karsten | qailer: Does it always fail from a cold boot, or either cold or warm? |
| 09:32.44 | tralala | mihur: generally when you run sid you should be able do deal with breakages - track down the problem and file a bugreport. If you cannot do this or don't want to do this _I_ strongly believe that you are not qualified to run sid. |
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| 09:32.44 | mihur | routers don't generally serve dhcp :) |
| 09:32.57 | karsten | qailer: paste your /etc/network/interfaces file (/msg dpkg paster) *NOT* to channel |
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| 09:33.10 | qailer | karsten: it fails every time I cold boot |
| 09:33.16 | karsten | mihur: Well give him slack. |
| 09:33.22 | magnus | How do you do a real DHCP release in debian, where DHCP_RELEASE is sent to the DHCP server? |
| 09:33.26 | karsten | qailer: What's your NIC? "lspci | grep Eth |
| 09:33.32 | magnus | A simple ifdown ethX does not sent DHCP_RELEASE |
| 09:33.32 | karsten | qailer: Should be one line, paste here. |
| 09:33.34 | mihur | tralala: I'll decide what I'm qualified or not to do, thanks. but clearly I'm missing something if all my other sid boxes are NOT broken in this manner while these two fresh new etch installs are. |
| 09:33.36 | wols_ | mihur: ever had a consumer router? obviously not (and yes I know it's not considered a real router by experts like you) but all stores sell it as such |
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| 09:33.50 | mihur | karsten: don't worry, I'm just showing him the same attitude you show me, it's just natural on irc. |
| 09:34.09 | qailer | karsten: 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01) |
| 09:34.10 | mihur | karsten: after all, it's easy to pick on someone on irc. |
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| 09:34.32 | mihur | wols_: I wouldn't call these things "routers, but yes, I do have a few of these nat-enabled gizmos |
| 09:34.41 | karsten | qailer: Ugh. Broadcom sucks. What's the driver? 'lsmod' should show it. |
| 09:34.50 | mihur | wols_: yeah, you seem to have figured me out by now :) |
| 09:35.02 | mihur | karsten: tg3 works quite well for me :) |
| 09:35.07 | magnus | !dpkg dhcp |
| 09:35.08 | mihur | that's the name of the driver. |
| 09:35.18 | wols_ | !tell magnus about msg |
| 09:35.21 | karsten | mihur: you're welcome to shut up any time now. |
| 09:35.31 | karsten | qailer: Prolly tg3 as mihur said. |
| 09:35.37 | mihur | I have over 20 servers doing almost 1gig/s 24/7 on these broadcoms just fine. |
| 09:35.48 | mihur | karsten: I'll decide when to shut up, thanks :) |
| 09:35.54 | karsten | qailer: grep tg3 /etc/modules. Is it listed? |
| 09:36.09 | wols_ | !ops can you please decide if mihur should shut up or not? |
| 09:36.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: wols_ complains about: can you please decide if mihur should shut up or not |
| 09:36.20 | karsten | mihur: The asinine comments and bickering are _not_ appreciated. If you care to be helpful, you're welcome to it. |
| 09:36.23 | mihur | my my |
| 09:36.31 | karsten | mihur: First rule of IRC is not to annoy the regulars. |
| 09:36.32 | magnus | Noone knows about how to do a DHCP RELEASE? |
| 09:36.34 | mihur | trust me, I will be. |
| 09:36.37 | Doat | im using testing repo's and i was wondering if there is an easy way to upgrade only those packages that dont have grave or critical bugs |
| 09:36.40 | mihur | karsten: agreed. |
| 09:36.41 | karsten | mihur: Second is not to annoy the regulars when they're helping someone. |
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| 09:36.50 | qailer | karsten_ ipv6 is enabled... tg4 is not listed in modules |
| 09:36.53 | karsten | magnus: Apparently not. GIYF. |
| 09:36.55 | qailer | tg3* |
| 09:36.57 | mihur | karsten: now you know how I feel, at least. |
| 09:37.00 | karsten | qailer: OK. |
| 09:37.04 | magnus | GIYF? |
| 09:37.08 | Braindead | Doat: apt-listbugs |
| 09:37.09 | karsten | !giyf |
| 09:37.10 | dpkg | it has been said that giyf is Google Is Your Friend |
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| 09:37.17 | karsten | mihur: Welcome to ignore |
| 09:37.27 | magnus | Yeah I have tried google :) |
| 09:37.34 | tralala | mihur: are you done sharing your hurt feelings? |
| 09:37.43 | karsten | magnus: Not that I haven't wondered that one m'self. You can always read the RFC... ] |
| 09:37.54 | magnus | gone through 5 pages without good answers, best was to use dhcpd -k, but that command is not in use any more? since dhclient is used |
| 09:38.03 | karsten | qailer: So 'lsmod' *doesn't* list tg3? |
| 09:38.08 | karsten | qailer: ... *and* you have networking? |
| 09:38.09 | tralala | mihur: cuz, you know... we discuss debian in here |
| 09:38.14 | magnus | and dhclient seems to not support releaseing IP numbers |
| 09:38.22 | mihur | tralala: completely. |
| 09:38.30 | tralala | good |
| 09:38.34 | karsten | magnus: dhclient manpage sucks. |
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| 09:38.37 | qailer | karsten: yes it does, most be loaded from somewhere else |
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| 09:38.58 | mihur | tralala: np, gogi. |
| 09:39.02 | possie | anyone that can recommend a imap/pop3 server, there are so many options in the debian package list, courier,dovecot,cyrus anyone that recommands one of them and why? |
| 09:39.03 | qailer | karsten: maybe I should load it in the modules file, coz some automatic thing doesn't do it right? |
| 09:39.12 | Braindead | possie: dovecot |
| 09:39.15 | karsten | magnus: looks like pump has a release. |
| 09:39.21 | magnus | ah thanks |
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| 09:39.25 | wols_ | magnus: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/dhclient.8.html |
| 09:39.29 | qailer | karsten: I have network after every reboot |
| 09:39.29 | wols_ | dhclient does too |
| 09:39.30 | Doat | Braindead: yea but after that i have to manually deselect the packages that had bug reports. isn't there an automatic way? |
| 09:39.37 | possie | Braindead, any particular reason to use dovecot? |
| 09:39.48 | karsten | qailer: If the interface is up but tg3 isn't loaded, you're not using tg3. *OR* you've got tg3 compiled into your kernel directly. Custom or stock kernel? |
| 09:39.51 | Braindead | Doat: apt-listbugs is for prevention,not a cure |
| 09:39.54 | wols_ | magnus: -r |
| 09:40.05 | karsten | qailer: Tell you what: 'lsmod; cat /etc/network/interfaces' and paste both. |
| 09:40.11 | Braindead | possie: nice performance,easy to configure |
| 09:40.12 | karsten | qailer: Saves this guessing game. |
| 09:40.15 | qailer | karsten: I don't know if it's up when it didn't work |
| 09:40.21 | mihur | qailer: dmesg |egrep -i 'eth|tg3' |
| 09:40.24 | karsten | qailer: I'm trying to sort for now. |
| 09:40.28 | wols_ | possie: for easy and no hassle courier or dovecot |
| 09:40.31 | qailer | karste: I pasted ingerfaves in dpkg |
| 09:40.34 | karsten | !tell qailer about paster |
| 09:40.42 | karsten | qailer: Post the URL here. |
| 09:40.53 | possie | thanks Braindead and wols_ |
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| 09:41.22 | qailer | karsten: I'll use a pastebin, just a sec |
| 09:41.23 | wols_ | possie: use maildir if at all possible for the features. if maildir is too slow for you look into cyrus, but that's a lot harder |
| 09:41.42 | possie | wols_, what do you mean by 'maildir' ? |
| 09:41.52 | wols_ | possie: the format the imap mails are stored |
| 09:41.52 | karsten | wols_: mailder's a lot faster with indexes, BTW. |
| 09:41.55 | magnus | wols_: thanks |
| 09:41.58 | karsten | possie: Google it. |
| 09:42.15 | karsten | possie: mailbox format, direcotory/file based, originated w/ qmail. |
| 09:42.17 | wols_ | karsten: does courier support those indexes? |
| 09:42.23 | karsten | wols_: mutt does. |
| 09:42.31 | xingu | magnus: fyi I think you'll need dhcp3-client |
| 09:42.39 | wols_ | karsten: that's not the answer unless mutt can now serve imap too |
| 09:42.49 | karsten | wols_: Not sure about other stuff. stat() on index update sucks, but search/scan speeds a lot. |
| 09:42.59 | xingu | magnus: the isc2 client in dhcp-client indeed does not seem to support release |
| 09:43.13 | karsten | wols_: Just saying what I know. I don't use courier. Mutt performance w/ indexes on 20k-150k msg folders blazes. |
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| 09:43.32 | wols_ | karsten: let's just say my 10k python-ml folder on my 486 without busmaster DMA took sevreal minutes to open with maildir in cyrus :) |
| 09:43.45 | magnus | xingu: yeah dhclient I have does not have the -r switch |
| 09:43.49 | karsten | wols_: Right. 120k took about 45 minutes unindexed. |
| 09:43.56 | mihur | aside from performance, one has to be very careful about security when it comes to imapd's, they are nutoriously evil. |
| 09:44.11 | wols_ | I switched back to cyrus21 since it became available and am happy ever since. Just make sure you never run out of space on your mail partition :) |
| 09:45.33 | xingu | "like that'd happen" |
| 09:45.44 | karsten | wols_: Heh. |
| 09:45.46 | wols_ | xingu: nah never. why do you ask? |
| 09:46.11 | hq4ever_2 | why is imap so insecure ? |
| 09:46.16 | wols_ | karsten: to be fair it got better over time. in the beginning and under 1.5 it really corrupted the DB |
| 09:46.37 | mihur | hq4ever_2; it's not that imap is insecure, it's that many of the imap implementation have been plagued with vulnerabilities over the years. |
| 09:46.39 | xingu | for some reason I seem to have stopped getting viagra offers and have started getting weight loss offers |
| 09:46.51 | xingu | from flaccid to fat in a year, welcome to middle age |
| 09:46.58 | qailer | karsten: http://pastebin.com/801845 |
| 09:46.59 | wols_ | xingu: I#d be worried |
| 09:47.03 | mihur | xingu: maybe all those who were buying viagra until now are dead. |
| 09:47.07 | karsten | qailer: Gotit |
| 09:47.17 | qailer | great |
| 09:47.42 | karsten | qailer: ... or getting it. |
| 09:47.56 | qailer | karsten: it's slow |
| 09:48.02 | jduggan | how do i reconfigure X to set my resolution and refresh rate dpkg-reconfigure -xserver-xorg didnt give me an option for these |
| 09:48.04 | magnus | xingu: That was exactly what I needed, thanks! |
| 09:48.08 | karsten | qailer: Can you use channels.debian.org/paste please? I can't reach pastebin.com |
| 09:48.13 | karsten | !drxx |
| 09:48.14 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 09:48.32 | karsten | jduggan: For LCD you don't set refresh (it's 60Hz fixed) FYI. |
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| 09:48.40 | xingu | magnus: no, thank you for asking the question, this "new" client can do all sorts of things that would've been useful a half decade ago |
| 09:48.49 | jduggan | karsten: its an old crt |
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| 09:49.11 | wols_ | karsten: xserver-xorg is heinously broken wrt debconf |
| 09:49.14 | xingu | magnus: next question is what bugs have come along for the ride too |
| 09:49.14 | karsten | jduggan: OK. Select "Medium" or "Advanced" for config options as well. I'd recommend "Medium" unless you want to specify modelines |
| 09:49.31 | karsten | wols_: Howso? |
| 09:49.35 | qailer | karsten: I don't get how it works :S |
| 09:49.36 | krenin | Hello... Is there an easy way to compile a kernel for a specific architecture (pentium-mmx) with apt-build? |
| 09:49.36 | karsten | wols_: ...and should the factoid be updated? |
| 09:49.41 | jduggan | karsten: ok, whereabouts do i set medium for config options? |
| 09:49.48 | karsten | qailer: What? channels.debian.org? |
| 09:50.07 | qailer | karsten: yes |
| 09:50.08 | karsten | !paster |
| 09:50.09 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 09:50.09 | wols_ | kingsley: no matter what I did, I couldn't set refresh. then there is the "zero" bug a few days ago no matter what you did when selecting the screen, etc |
| 09:50.12 | karsten | qailer: ^^ |
| 09:50.24 | karsten | it's channels.debian.net FYI. Paste in your text. Scroll down. Submit. |
| 09:50.27 | wols_ | karsten: there is no "medium" anymore |
| 09:50.37 | magnus | xingu: :) |
| 09:50.42 | wols_ | in short, they gnomified it |
| 09:50.43 | karsten | wols_: Don't tell me. It's fucking "Venti", right? |
| 09:50.54 | wols_ | Venti? |
| 09:50.58 | qailer | karsten: ohh, sry I got it |
| 09:50.58 | karsten | !starbucks |
| 09:50.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, starbucks is the essence of all that is evil in the world; soon to be undermined by the LJC (Linux Java Center). |
| 09:51.15 | karsten | wols_: "Large", "Grande", "Venti" |
| 09:51.15 | qailer | karsten: I performed a typo in firefox |
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| 09:51.24 | qailer | karsten: :D |
| 09:51.27 | karsten | wols_: Your coffee sizes at St*rb*cks. |
| 09:51.30 | wols_ | karsten: there are no starbucks in de :) |
| 09:51.39 | karsten | qailer: ok. |
| 09:51.43 | vin` | karsten: tall not large |
| 09:51.49 | karsten | wols_: Stop complaining. |
| 09:51.55 | tralala | wols_: comming soon ;) |
| 09:51.59 | karsten | vin`: So sue me.... |
| 09:52.04 | mihur | wols_: there are some in Austria ;) |
| 09:52.14 | karsten | mihur: Better yet: McCafe. |
| 09:52.21 | mihur | better yet, no coffee at all :) |
| 09:52.28 | wols_ | tralala: you wish. Walmart recently tried to come. They tried for 5 years and sold their stores again 2-3 months ago :) |
| 09:52.40 | karsten | mihur: I can't tell you how much that cracked me up. In Oz, the McDonald's of coffee isn't Starbucks, it's ... McDonalds. |
| 09:52.44 | vin` | MsgCafe |
| 09:52.50 | enouf | qailer: curiously ...does ' dpkg -l zeroconf ' say "ii" in the left column? |
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| 09:53.05 | qailer | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste2/3968 |
| 09:53.12 | qailer | enouf: let me see |
| 09:53.22 | tralala | wols_: heh :) go .de go! |
| 09:53.35 | jduggan | karsten: i edited xorg.conf and added "1024x768" to the Modes line of the default display, but it only starts up at 800x600 and gnomes resolution preference doesnt give me an option to put it to 1024x768 |
| 09:53.35 | karsten | qailer: Woah... hotplug eth0? Fixed onboard or not? |
| 09:53.46 | tralala | wols_: you guys rock - especially Munich |
| 09:53.50 | wols_ | tralala: doesn't mean our local molochs aren't better than walmart of course |
| 09:53.52 | tralala | !praise .de |
| 09:53.55 | karsten | jduggan: fart around with your modelines so long as you're editing by hand. |
| 09:53.55 | wols_ | but at least they our assholes :) |
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| 09:54.12 | qailer | enouf: I have no such packagE |
| 09:54.12 | xingu | funny how these minimum wage business models all fall apart when you have to pay a fair benefits package |
| 09:54.18 | karsten | jduggan: aptitude install videogen; man videogen |
| 09:54.26 | possie | karsten, which mda do you use? |
| 09:54.27 | enouf | qailer: Ok .. just a guess .. as you were :-) |
| 09:54.35 | karsten | possie: exim |
| 09:54.40 | mihur | americanism! |
| 09:54.41 | qailer | karsten: it's onboard |
| 09:54.43 | wols_ | karsten: for an MDA? |
| 09:54.48 | qailer | enouf: thx :) |
| 09:54.49 | possie | karsten, and mta? |
| 09:54.56 | mihur | postfix! |
| 09:54.57 | karsten | possie: erm, procmail, exim, mutt |
| 09:54.58 | wols_ | possie: exim4 is a MTA |
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| 09:55.12 | possie | wols_, and you ? postfix? |
| 09:55.13 | wols_ | possie: use postfix or exim4 depending what you like more |
| 09:55.31 | wols_ | possie: postfix via LMTP to cyrus and sive |
| 09:55.32 | karsten | qailer: "auto eth0" should be in there if you want eth0 up on boot. |
| 09:55.34 | wols_ | *sieve |
| 09:55.42 | wols_ | and I really gotta put in CRM114 "soon" |
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| 09:55.50 | karsten | qailer: Try that. /etc/network/interfaces. Then reboot (cold) and see if it work.s |
| 09:55.58 | qailer | karsten: just in interfaces? :S |
| 09:56.02 | karsten | qailer: Yeah. |
| 09:56.38 | karsten | qailer: and tg3's listed in your modules, so that's working (well, now). |
| 09:56.46 | qailer | karsten: ofcourse :) thx |
| 09:56.50 | wols_ | possie: for a MDA I'd suggest probably procmail. you might look into maildrop too prehaps |
| 09:56.52 | karsten | qailer: I'm a bit curious about the "allow hotplug eth0" line, haven't seen that. |
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| 09:57.20 | possie | wols_, i've never heard of 'sive' |
| 09:57.26 | qailer | karsten: hasn't it something with some firewire internet to do? |
| 09:57.27 | wols_ | possie: sieve. |
| 09:57.31 | derek_ | Hi |
| 09:57.37 | enouf | karsten: I have only once - never knew whwere it came from .. but perhaps a 2.4 kernel config? |
| 09:57.41 | mihur | possie: procmail if you're a masochist, but once you get into it it's excellent. |
| 09:57.46 | qailer | (karsten: excuse my bad english) |
| 09:57.47 | wols_ | possie: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3028.txt server side mail filtering |
| 09:57.47 | tralala | possie: you did hear of typos though, didn't you? |
| 09:57.49 | derek_ | I'm going to install debian sarge on my laptop |
| 09:57.51 | derek_ | now |
| 09:58.17 | tralala | derek_: great! |
| 09:58.25 | wols_ | derek_: I'd use etch personally |
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| 09:58.31 | possie | wols_ intrestting to see postfix lmtp -> cyrus - sieve |
| 09:58.33 | wols_ | at least for a laptop |
| 09:58.45 | derek_ | what is etch? |
| 09:58.48 | karsten | qailer: OK, it's documented... Should *not* be necessary for an onboard nic. |
| 09:58.52 | tralala | I'd use sarge for anything I really intend to use |
| 09:58.53 | derek_ | newer version of debian? |
| 09:58.54 | karsten | !tell derek_ about releases |
| 09:58.59 | wols_ | possie: well sieve is first, then postfix. |
| 09:59.08 | wols_ | tralala: keyword is "laptop" here |
| 09:59.10 | derek_ | I thought the next version after sarge was going to be released in December |
| 09:59.17 | karsten | enouf: used what once? |
| 09:59.19 | possie | wols_, sieve is mailfiltering right? so you use that for spam filtering ? |
| 09:59.20 | tralala | derek_: it's the next release, still work in progress |
| 09:59.23 | wols_ | possie: sieve is first, then cyrus. since sieve filters for it |
| 09:59.30 | derek_ | ok |
| 09:59.33 | tralala | wols_: makes no difference to me |
| 09:59.40 | derek_ | then I think the stable version is better for me |
| 09:59.41 | wols_ | no not spam filtering, but I filter stuff like mailinglists to folders and such |
| 09:59.49 | tralala | derek_: yep, that's the plan |
| 09:59.56 | tralala | so do I |
| 10:00.12 | qailer | karsten: thx for the help |
| 10:00.14 | derek_ | ok, i have winxp installed in the first partition. second partition is fat32 for storage. The third partition is vfat for linux |
| 10:00.16 | enouf | karsten: no .. I've seen 'allow-hotplug eth0' only once from another irc user looking for help -- maybe like qailer said, due to firewire eth .. or maybe pcmcia eth? |
| 10:00.17 | karsten | qailer: Working? |
| 10:00.25 | karsten | enouf: Gotchya. |
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| 10:00.32 | tralala | derek_: vfat is _not_ for linux |
| 10:00.38 | wols_ | derek_: that will not work |
| 10:00.47 | derek_ | wth? |
| 10:00.50 | wols_ | derek_: linux needs its own filesystem. ues ext3 |
| 10:00.57 | derek_ | oops |
| 10:00.59 | derek_ | i'm sorry |
| 10:01.02 | derek_ | :/ |
| 10:01.06 | derek_ | yes, ext2 I meant |
| 10:01.08 | Braindead | unless he wanna use some medieval USMDOS trick... |
| 10:01.10 | wols_ | derek_: and you also might use a swap partition |
| 10:01.11 | qailer | karsten: don't know, I'll only know it after cold boot, but I'll reboot now and see if it's working after warm as it should |
| 10:01.13 | tralala | wols_: I wish I had one of these. I'd use a backported kernel then. |
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| 10:01.14 | possie | wols_, there is more to mailservers then i thought :-) |
| 10:01.18 | wols_ | Braindead: don't even mention it |
| 10:01.20 | sonick | hallo |
| 10:01.20 | Charminthemoose | wols_:it could be ext2 or ext3 |
| 10:01.21 | derek_ | wols_: yes, going to have a swap |
| 10:01.26 | karsten | qailer: Do that. I'm outta here soon. |
| 10:01.34 | wols_ | possie: mailservers are VERY complicated. VERY |
| 10:01.40 | qailer | enouf: yeah.. well I'll disable it, don't need it anyway :) |
| 10:01.41 | xingu | karsten: not wanting to over complicate things but one other dimension to cold vs warm boot is that the NIC's MDI will likely as not maintain carrier across a warm boot; which means that re-negotiation on the switch end will likely only happen in the cold boot case |
| 10:01.49 | enouf | qailer: curiously once more ... uname -r pleasw |
| 10:01.50 | qailer | enouf: thx as well |
| 10:02.02 | karsten | xingu: also apparently the hotplug stuff could be affected. |
| 10:02.08 | enouf | qailer: no prob :-) Cold bboot see how it goes |
| 10:02.19 | karsten | xingu: Issue here is that interface doesn't auto-up on cold boot, does on warm. |
| 10:02.28 | qailer | enouf: 2.6.17-2-amd64 |
| 10:02.34 | sonick | I got a message when I boot under my debian testing : "there are differences between boot sector and its backup". I made a dosfsck on my windows partition, and i get the same message. How could I fix this ? |
| 10:02.44 | enouf | qailer: thanks you .. now go Clod boot and see :-) |
| 10:02.52 | enouf | crap ..typos! |
| 10:02.54 | Charminthemoose | karsten:stupid noob question here: what's the difference betweena cold and warm boot? |
| 10:02.56 | qailer | yep |
| 10:03.00 | enouf | :-p |
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| 10:03.11 | xingu | karsten: sure, grok that - just pointing out the bleeding obvious as always |
| 10:03.14 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Temperature. |
| 10:03.21 | MsgToThePpl | hi, i 've a usb 4gb stick that has a damages filesystem how do i format it ? |
| 10:03.28 | karsten | Charminthemoose: cold boot == full power off. warm boot == reboot w/o poweroff. |
| 10:03.42 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Main effects are that some devices only fully re-initialize on cold boot. |
| 10:03.47 | wols_ | MsgToThePpl: with mkfs like anything else |
| 10:03.50 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Less frequently observed these days. |
| 10:03.59 | karsten | xingu: Damnit, that's *my* job. |
| 10:04.06 | mihur | MsgToThePpl: it would depend on which filesystem you would like. |
| 10:04.19 | Charminthemoose | ext FTW! |
| 10:04.22 | Charminthemoose | :) |
| 10:04.25 | enouf | Charminthemoose: basically it's a full POST .. full MEM check as opposed to just recycling the power -- really POSt just preforms many more checks on a cold boot, as opposed to just a few on warm boot (reboot) |
| 10:04.34 | karsten | wols_: Mind that the installer should handle filesystem stuff for dererk, if he'll bother to read the install manual. |
| 10:04.43 | wols_ | enouf: no one does a full mem check anymore on POST :) |
| 10:04.53 | MsgToThePpl | mihur> fat32 |
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| 10:05.02 | enouf | wols_: Mine does :-) got it configured that way :-p |
| 10:05.03 | wols_ | karsten: optimist! it's weekend. only one day to sunday! |
| 10:05.04 | tralala | Charminthemoose: use mkfs the same way you would do it for a floppy or a harddisk partition. |
| 10:05.04 | karsten | enouf: Really a lot less about mem, more about devices having current cut. |
| 10:05.18 | mihur | MsgToThePpl: apt-get install dosfstools |
| 10:05.22 | karsten | wols_: I'm a pessimist, really. |
| 10:05.32 | Charminthemoose | enouf: thanks.quite informative |
| 10:05.35 | qailer | enouf: it works after reboot |
| 10:05.36 | tralala | !sing sunday |
| 10:05.36 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 10:05.43 | qailer | nice :) |
| 10:05.45 | karsten | qailer: r0x0r |
| 10:05.46 | enouf | karsten: Yes .. and hence the need for reprobing for system iostat/iomem ranges and PCI card assignments and such |
| 10:05.51 | MsgToThePpl | parted is not good for the job ? |
| 10:05.53 | mihur | MsgToThePpl: then figure out which device your memory stick is mapped to, when you insert it |
| 10:06.03 | enouf | qailer: Cold Boot ?? ...excellent!! |
| 10:06.04 | mihur | MsgToThePpl: you don't need a partition on the stick, unless you really want to. |
| 10:06.08 | karsten | qailer: Note: you can bring an interface up/down as root: ifup <interface> / ifdown <interface> |
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| 10:06.14 | karsten | qailer: ... so no need to reboot, really. |
| 10:06.14 | mihur | MsgToThePpl: you should generally format the raw device, say /dev/sdb |
| 10:06.17 | qailer | enouf: haven't tested it with cold |
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| 10:06.29 | karsten | qailer: Ah. |
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| 10:06.32 | fasta | What is the Xorg SDK package? |
| 10:06.33 | enouf | qailer: :-/ ..but THA was the unique issue ...no? |
| 10:06.35 | karsten | qailer: Try that, since that was the problem. |
| 10:06.35 | wols_ | qailer: but you must if you want to know if the problem is solved |
| 10:06.38 | enouf | +T |
| 10:06.48 | MsgToThePpl | btw what commadn after dosfstools ? |
| 10:06.51 | MsgToThePpl | format ? |
| 10:07.01 | karsten | MsgToThePpl: mkfs.vfat <device> |
| 10:07.05 | Charminthemoose | when i shutdown debian 3.1r3 it just hangs on power off.is this supposed to happen?shouldn't it send a messege to the bios to shutdown the computer? |
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| 10:07.07 | tralala | fasta: what does aptitude show <thepackagename> says? |
| 10:07.08 | wols_ | MsgToThePpl: man mkfs |
| 10:07.09 | karsten | MsgToThePpl: eg: mkfs.vfat /dev/sda |
| 10:07.09 | qailer | karsten: I'll do it :) |
| 10:07.38 | karsten | MsgToThePpl: make sure you've got the right device. You could blow away an existing filesystem. |
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| 10:07.45 | tralala | fasta: oh, I musunderstood the question - aptitude search xorg.*dev |
| 10:07.51 | wols_ | fasta: xlib-dev ? |
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| 10:08.07 | wols_ | tralala: why the dot? |
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| 10:08.15 | wols_ | oops. damn regex |
| 10:08.23 | wols_ | why can't it glob like others |
| 10:08.25 | tralala | wols_: still xlibs for xorg? |
| 10:08.38 | derek_ | >.< |
| 10:08.39 | tralala | wols_: cuz it's cool! ;) |
| 10:08.45 | derek_ | closed the buddy list window of gaim |
| 10:08.46 | tralala | and it's xlibs-dev |
| 10:08.49 | mihur | wols_: for people who think it's easy to specify -t vfat |
| 10:08.59 | derek_ | so how compatible will sarge be with my laptop? |
| 10:09.05 | mihur | wols_: generally, with command line completion, it's faster, too |
| 10:09.08 | derek_ | http://derek.shorturl.com/M2512AU |
| 10:09.15 | derek_ | 3.1 r2 |
| 10:09.38 | karsten | !laptops |
| 10:09.38 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 10:09.40 | mihur | amazon don't stop spamming me |
| 10:09.41 | wols_ | tralala: xorg.dev you're right |
| 10:09.50 | MsgToThePpl | btw what's the correct sintax for parted? |
| 10:09.52 | karsten | derek_: Depends on the laptop. |
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| 10:09.57 | Charminthemoose | when i shutdown debian 3.1r3 it just hangs on power off.is this supposed to happen?shouldn't it send a messege to the bios to shutdown the computer? |
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| 10:10.02 | karsten | MsgToThePpl: man parted |
| 10:10.09 | MsgToThePpl | i mean i did parted /dev/sda1 and it says coan locate /dev/sda1 |
| 10:10.23 | karsten | Charminthemoose: IIRC you need to allow acpi or apm at boot. |
| 10:10.23 | MsgToThePpl | whereas /dev/sda1 is the stick as recognized by linux |
| 10:10.24 | tralala | wols_: oh, that's a surprise! I was a shot in the dark. |
| 10:10.28 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Some old bioses won't poweroff. |
| 10:10.29 | tralala | *it* |
| 10:10.32 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.34 | MsgToThePpl | ;) |
| 10:10.36 | mihur | MsgToThePpl: dmesg|grep sd |
| 10:10.42 | wols_ | MsgToThePpl: it is not. it's only sda1 if it has a partition table |
| 10:10.45 | karsten | MsgToThePpl: Suggest you change that. |
| 10:10.58 | enouf | Charminthemoose: hmmm .. no thats' not supposed to happen .. What are your BIOS settings for ACPI .. tell us briefly about your Mobo CPU and RAM (new/old) .. are you using ACPI at all -- that issue used to occur on my old 440bx chipset using an older knoppix when 2.6 was still experimental |
| 10:11.01 | fasta | wols_: I still get a warning from the nvidia installer |
| 10:11.19 | tralala | fasta: a warning? |
| 10:11.19 | fasta | wols_: stating that it can't use pkg-config to find the library installation path for xorg |
| 10:11.20 | wols_ | fasta: why are you using the installer? |
| 10:11.22 | wols_ | !nvidia |
| 10:11.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 10:11.53 | fasta | wols_: because I didn't install a Debian kernel, because kernel-package is broken on my machine... |
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| 10:12.24 | enouf | Charminthemoose: also .. 'dmesg | grep ACPI' and dmesg | grep CPU' .. pastebin the ouptut |
| 10:12.25 | valdyn | fasta: why would kernel-package be broken on your machine? |
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| 10:12.34 | qailer | didn't work, bbl |
| 10:12.35 | MsgToThePpl | wols_> this is the story 1) if i mount the device i can access it but filenames are in unreadable chinese-like chars. and windows doesn't see anything at all so i think it's cause the fs or the partition is broken |
| 10:12.38 | fasta | valdyn: because I get a syntax error on line 55 |
| 10:12.40 | MsgToThePpl | so i need a way to fixup |
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| 10:12.45 | fasta | valdyn: "missing endif" |
| 10:12.58 | MsgToThePpl | i found no way i windows 'cause it lacks direct access to disks |
| 10:13.02 | valdyn | fasta: in which file is that syntax error? |
| 10:13.03 | MsgToThePpl | so i use linux |
| 10:13.04 | mihur | MsgToThePpl: unlikely. |
| 10:13.09 | fasta | valdyn: I send two bug reports,, but none of them reached the BTS. |
| 10:13.09 | tralala | MsgToThePpl: did you unplug it without unmounting it first? |
| 10:13.13 | wols_ | MsgToThePpl: then format it. and no, usually usb sticks don't have partitions, which is why sda1 is wrong |
| 10:13.18 | fasta | valdyn: hold on, 2 min. |
| 10:13.31 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.37 | binnyva | hi |
| 10:13.38 | MsgToThePpl | and in windows the process simply fails |
| 10:13.39 | tralala | wols_: all my usb sticks have partitions |
| 10:13.49 | karsten | fasta: You need to have an MTA (mail server) configured to use BTS. |
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| 10:14.01 | valdyn | karsten: eh? |
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| 10:14.06 | fasta | valdyn: version_vars.mk:55 |
| 10:14.13 | igraltist | why should the usbstick not have a prtitionstable? |
| 10:14.22 | valdyn | fasta: apt-get install --reinstall kernel-package |
| 10:14.22 | karsten | valdyn: To file bugs. |
| 10:14.28 | mihur | igraltist: no reason, you can if you want to. |
| 10:14.35 | karsten | fasta: ... to file bugs to BTS. |
| 10:14.39 | fasta | karsten: I assume that the application reportbug tells me that it can't send a mail. |
| 10:14.43 | MsgToThePpl | ] <igraltist> i'm sure it has but the problem is somehow it got broken |
| 10:14.46 | MsgToThePpl | andd need to fix |
| 10:14.47 | blondie | wols_: usually USB sticks *do* have partitions |
| 10:14.51 | MsgToThePpl | since shitwindows is not able |
| 10:14.54 | fasta | karsten: If it doesn't then it's a broken application. |
| 10:14.55 | mihur | igraltist: but there's no guarantee the devices you'll stick it into would be able to understand a partition table, as it's not common practice to have a partition table on usb sticks. |
| 10:14.56 | MsgToThePpl | i need the God linux |
| 10:14.58 | karsten | fasta: Might, might not. Could be stuck in your local mail queue. |
| 10:15.08 | valdyn | karsten: i dont think you do, but im looking into that |
| 10:15.08 | karsten | fasta: Not necessarially. Mail is complicated. |
| 10:15.11 | fasta | karsten: how can I see that? |
| 10:15.19 | karsten | valdyn: reportbug needs mail. |
| 10:15.29 | wols_ | blondie: what for? |
| 10:15.36 | karsten | fasta: Generally 'mailq' will show what messages are queued for delivery, by message ID. |
| 10:15.56 | fasta | karsten: I have one message in it. |
| 10:16.00 | blondie | wols_: what do you mean? they just do |
| 10:16.04 | fasta | karsten: It's *frozen*. |
| 10:16.10 | karsten | fasta: That would be a problem. |
| 10:16.15 | fasta | karsten: right |
| 10:16.18 | valdyn | karsten: no it doesnt, it has its own internal mailer |
| 10:16.20 | blondie | I've tried plenty of different ones and they've all had one partition sda1 |
| 10:16.20 | karsten | fasta: What's your mailer? |
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| 10:16.21 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: sounds like old unprintable DOS characters ... sometimes an 0x MZ file --whiuch Linux are you using and more importantly what was the exact Mount command line you sued?? |
| 10:16.27 | karsten | valdyn: As of when? |
| 10:16.31 | fasta | karsten: Exim boots, IIRC. |
| 10:16.36 | karsten | fasta: OK |
| 10:16.39 | wols_ | blondie: pretty much all use the thing as one big disk, like a floppy. so why? |
| 10:16.42 | valdyn | karsten: for a while for sure, im just looking at reportbug.conf |
| 10:16.43 | tralala | wols_: you need to ask the manifacturers but I agree with blondie - I'm yet to see a stick without partitions. |
| 10:16.49 | HNT | Hello everybody, do you know a way to install XGL under Debian with KDE ? |
| 10:16.51 | MsgToThePpl | <enouf> btw the stick is somehow broken |
| 10:16.58 | MsgToThePpl | this is for sure |
| 10:17.00 | blondie | wols_: why not? |
| 10:17.00 | karsten | !xgl |
| 10:17.01 | dpkg | somebody said xgl was the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
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| 10:17.11 | MsgToThePpl | th e only guess is is it rcoverable or not |
| 10:17.18 | valdyn | karsten: # Use this to enable the internal MTA (bypassing /usr/sbin/sendmail) |
| 10:17.21 | blondie | wols_: why partition harddisks when you could just use them raw? |
| 10:17.36 | karsten | valdyn: So it has the option, but not configured by default, no? |
| 10:17.43 | wols_ | blondie: history. and DOS couldn't |
| 10:17.43 | Charminthemoose | do many computers these days come with floppy drives? |
| 10:17.44 | mihur | MsgToThePpl: if you don't care about data on it, run a full read/write/read test. |
| 10:17.56 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.57 | valdyn | karsten: i do remember that by default it will prompt with a few question to set this up |
| 10:17.57 | MsgToThePpl | ? |
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| 10:18.13 | karsten | fasta: exim -Mvb <messageid> will show body. -Mvh shows header |
| 10:18.14 | tralala | blondie: now, that's wrong. Sticks usually have only _one_ partition unlike harddisks. And their usage pattern is totally different. |
| 10:18.23 | blondie | tralala: no it's not |
| 10:18.28 | valdyn | karsten: but it does not seem to be debconf based, which is confusing me right now |
| 10:18.29 | karsten | fasta: msgid is what 'mailq' showedyou. |
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| 10:18.42 | blondie | tralala: all my harddisks have only one partition |
| 10:18.42 | karsten | valdyn: Drink another beer. |
| 10:18.43 | tralala | blondie: okay, then |
| 10:18.47 | karsten | valdyn: feed the confusion |
| 10:19.02 | mihur | MsgToThePpl: check the size of your stick, create a file of roughly that size from /dev/urandom: dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1M count=1024 (for 1gig) |
| 10:19.15 | karsten | blondie: *Each* of your harddisks have only one partition. |
| 10:19.15 | mihur | then cat file >/dev/sd.... |
| 10:19.18 | mihur | md5sum file |
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| 10:19.20 | tralala | blondie: are you the defacto standard? |
| 10:19.21 | mihur | cat /dev/sd |
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| 10:19.23 | mihur | cat /dev/sd |md5sum |
| 10:19.31 | mihur | but do it only if you're comfortable with doing it :) |
| 10:19.45 | blondie | karsten: tard |
| 10:19.46 | karsten | qailer: boot results? |
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| 10:19.52 | karsten | blondie: Love me for it. |
| 10:19.54 | mihur | actually I'm a bit wrong, you have to be sure that the file size matches your stick exactly. |
| 10:20.01 | blondie | karsten: more likely to ignore you. |
| 10:20.01 | valdyn | karsten: alright, it uses debconf |
| 10:20.05 | karsten | mihur: What are you trying to do? |
| 10:20.18 | mihur | or you can: dd if=/dev/sdX bs=1M count=1024 |md5sum |
| 10:20.26 | mihur | karsten: he thinks his stick is defective. |
| 10:20.36 | karsten | mihur: Shouldn't he call a doctor? |
| 10:20.47 | mihur | karsten: he might have to, eventually. |
| 10:20.48 | karsten | mihur: Oh. OK. Proceed ;-) |
| 10:21.17 | karsten | mihur: Might have to repeat that a few times. A scripted check would be useful. |
| 10:21.29 | derek[] | :( |
| 10:21.35 | mihur | MsgToThePpl: anyway, figure out the raw size of your stick, create a file from /dev/urandom of that size exactly, md5sum the file, write the file into the device, md5sum the device. |
| 10:21.39 | derek[] | did anyone reply to me ? |
| 10:21.45 | mihur | karsten: indeed. |
| 10:21.47 | derek[] | after I posted my computer's info link |
| 10:21.54 | fasta | karsten: woukdn't it be more useful to get the mail server working, instead of seeing the contents of the message? |
| 10:21.55 | tralala | for repeat in $(seq 3); do md5; done |
| 10:22.04 | karsten | mihur: best way to compute size is to cat *from* the stick first. Then create a file of same size. |
| 10:22.24 | mihur | karsten: no, the best way to compute it would be to get it from the kernel... |
| 10:22.27 | karsten | fasta: Well, if it's not your BTS message, then your BTS issue is something else. Depends on what you want to fix. |
| 10:22.39 | mihur | reading from a defective device won't guarnatee a complete read from start to finish |
| 10:22.43 | karsten | mihur: How would the kernel know the partition size? |
| 10:22.45 | mihur | it may break somewhere |
| 10:22.54 | mihur | karsten: it doesn't know the partition size, it knows the raw device size |
| 10:22.55 | fasta | karsten: oh, well, I am positive it's one of the two messages, as I see the return address. |
| 10:22.56 | karsten | mihur: Point. But the cat should show that error. |
| 10:23.00 | karsten | mihur: Where? |
| 10:23.04 | mihur | karsten: dmesg |
| 10:23.06 | karsten | fasta: OK. |
| 10:23.13 | karsten | fasta: dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim |
| 10:23.19 | karsten | fasta: exim or exim4 BTW? |
| 10:23.34 | mihur | karsten: cat should indeed bail out on error. |
| 10:23.36 | enouf | wols_: usbsticks/keys are very partitionable .. floppies not (as you know) .. many many usbsticks have partitions so as to allocate volumes - partition(s) are needed as to indicate a start/end of the allocated blocks (they don;t use the BIOS INT13 calls as traditional HDDs do) .. but the USB trickery makes the device appear that way |
| 10:23.42 | karsten | mihur: Not /proc / /sys ? |
| 10:23.44 | mihur | but yeah, the same can be accomplished with various ways |
| 10:23.52 | wols_ | enouf: yes they are, doesn't mean you have to |
| 10:23.53 | enouf | fasta: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config I believe |
| 10:23.54 | fasta | karsten: I have both the binaries exim as exim4. |
| 10:23.56 | mihur | karsten: it will be in one of them somewhere, too. |
| 10:24.05 | mihur | but it's faster to find by dmesg, unless you're writing a script |
| 10:24.06 | karsten | enouf: Wrong. You can partition a floppy. You'd be a fool to do it, normally. |
| 10:24.19 | karsten | Um. |
| 10:24.19 | karsten | Wait. |
| 10:24.22 | wols_ | enouf: just like with zip disks before them: you could partitition them but don't have to |
| 10:24.35 | enouf | karsten: rething that one bud |
| 10:24.38 | wols_ | karsten: inferior OSes like Windows/DOS can't :) |
| 10:24.38 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 10:24.42 | enouf | rethink even* |
| 10:24.44 | Charminthemoose | what do the 'media' 'srv' and the 'lost+found' directory do? |
| 10:24.47 | karsten | enouf: No partition device files. |
| 10:24.55 | karsten | enouf: You can partition a file, however. |
| 10:24.58 | enouf | karsten: :-0 |
| 10:25.03 | mihur | Charminthemoose: google. |
| 10:25.09 | MsgToThePpl | practically aparte mkfs/mkpart parted linux have a raw format or not ? |
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| 10:25.13 | mihur | media and srv have nothing to do with lost+found :) |
| 10:25.14 | karsten | enouf: I guess you could copy a partitioned file to a floppy, but it wouldn't do you much. |
| 10:25.25 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: lost+found is for "Lost" sectors after a fsck |
| 10:25.37 | mihur | MsgToThePpl: yes, these utils will also be able to get the raw size for you. |
| 10:25.51 | mihur | MsgToThePpl: they would have to know it to do their job :) |
| 10:25.52 | enouf | wols_: I think one needs to partition to create a FS that's OS recognizable .. but I could be misataken ..I don't play wiht those types of toys :_0 |
| 10:26.12 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Google "FHS" (filesystem hierarchy standard) and Debian Policy (which addresses same in Debian among other stuff). |
| 10:26.15 | tralala | enouf: you are mistaken |
| 10:26.17 | fasta | karsten: I never actually understood the options to choose from in the exim4 config. The top one says gives the option of whether I am an Internetsite. The other sensible option is "smarthost". |
| 10:26.18 | mihur | enouf: no, a partition is almost never necessary. |
| 10:26.23 | karsten | enouf: OK, *practically* it's not much use. |
| 10:26.29 | wols_ | enouf: nah, as blondie said, you can format a harddisk even without partition tble |
| 10:26.38 | mihur | in fact, a paritionless device is sometimes better performance wise, as the filesystem is guaranteed correct alignment. |
| 10:26.39 | karsten | fasta: If you're using your ISP's mailserver to relay for you, smarthost. |
| 10:26.56 | enouf | to all ... okie |
| 10:27.28 | derek[] | people |
| 10:27.55 | derek[] | the cd gives some options to start the installation: linux, expert, linux26, and expert26 |
| 10:27.58 | fasta | karsten: I can choose whether I do that, right? Only when not relaying it might take more memory to run that service? |
| 10:27.58 | derek[] | which one to go for? |
| 10:28.04 | tralala | karsten: I've always wondered what a smarthost is... |
| 10:28.21 | mihur | derek: I'd go for linux26 :) |
| 10:28.21 | tralala | derek[]: linux26 |
| 10:28.23 | dino4k | derek[]: i think you want linux26 |
| 10:28.26 | wols_ | tralala: a host that relays all your outbound mail |
| 10:28.26 | derek[] | what's special about linux kernel 2.6 , and which one is installed in the default option? |
| 10:28.36 | tralala | I WIN! |
| 10:28.44 | mihur | derek: it's fresh :) |
| 10:28.44 | karsten | fasta: If your ISP blocks port 25, smarthost may be your only choice. Also a lot of sites block incoming mail from dialup/residential DSL. |
| 10:28.45 | enouf | I don't yet quite understand all the different intricacies to argue any of my points .. so I'll sit back for now .. just to say .. most anything is possible in a world of virtual looping and virtual filesystems with virtual; device blocks :-) |
| 10:28.46 | tralala | !win me |
| 10:28.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, tralala! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 10:28.53 | karsten | fasta: Performance wise it's negligible. |
| 10:29.01 | mihur | tralala: I won from where I'm standing :) |
| 10:29.14 | derek[] | which kernel is installed in the default option? |
| 10:29.20 | enouf | !prize tralala |
| 10:29.22 | wols_ | derek[]: 2.4 |
| 10:29.24 | tralala | mihur: too late - I took the second prize already |
| 10:29.26 | karsten | fasta: ... and probably utterly insignificant. You're just sending _all_ outgoing mail to one place (the smarthost) rather than to the remote MX. |
| 10:29.30 | mihur | derek: that would depend on the CD :) |
| 10:29.35 | wols_ | derek[]: but use 2.6, it's better for you |
| 10:29.36 | mihur | tralala: I'll settle for first, thanks. |
| 10:29.41 | enouf | !pony mihur |
| 10:29.46 | mihur | :) |
| 10:29.48 | tralala | wols_: in other words my isp's mailserver |
| 10:29.49 | karsten | fasta: In fact, your percieved performance might be higher as you'll have a cached DNS record. |
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| 10:29.52 | fasta | karsten: MX is Mail eXchange, right? |
| 10:29.59 | derek[] | wols_: ok |
| 10:30.01 | karsten | fasta: bingo |
| 10:30.03 | wols_ | tralala: not necessarily. mine is/was gmail |
| 10:30.07 | karsten | fasta: host -t mx aol.com |
| 10:30.11 | derek[] | and what about the expert26? |
| 10:30.21 | mihur | derek: unless you're an expert, don't pick it :) |
| 10:30.25 | tralala | wols_: oh, gmail! That's an idea! |
| 10:30.27 | mihur | or pretend to be one, hahaha |
| 10:30.27 | derek[] | what extra installation options does it give? |
| 10:30.32 | wols_ | tralala: anyone who accepts mail from you to relay |
| 10:30.36 | enouf | mihur: find a mule and mate :-p |
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| 10:30.40 | tralala | derek[]: if you have to ask, you don't want that |
| 10:30.40 | mihur | Failed to fetch http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/pool/main/p/python-central/python-central_0.5.3_all.deb 404 Not Found |
| 10:30.41 | mihur | Failed to fetch http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/pool/main/t/tor/tor_0.1.1.23-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found |
| 10:30.43 | wols_ | tralala: you need smtp-auth with gmail tho |
| 10:30.46 | karsten | fasta: The MX records in DNS tell an outbound mail peer where AOL's mail should be sent, with a specified priority. |
| 10:30.47 | mihur | always fun to have on an up to date list. |
| 10:30.55 | mihur | enouf: I've got amule already. |
| 10:30.59 | karsten | mihur: aptitude update |
| 10:31.00 | tralala | wols_: there aren't too many such-a-suckers ;) |
| 10:31.06 | derek[] | I hope the default option will allow me to choose the installation partition on the hdd |
| 10:31.13 | tralala | wols_: that's cool |
| 10:31.15 | karsten | derek[]: it will. |
| 10:31.16 | wols_ | derek[]: it will |
| 10:31.21 | derek[] | I mean the non-expert one |
| 10:31.24 | karsten | derek[]: Probably also format it ext3fs for you. |
| 10:31.27 | karsten | derek[]: it will |
| 10:31.27 | derek[] | okay. |
| 10:31.32 | mihur | karsten: I did, honest! |
| 10:31.36 | derek[] | cool |
| 10:31.43 | tralala | wols_: will gmail relay my mails with a different sender address? |
| 10:31.46 | mihur | karsten: and now I did again, I'll have to wait until they actually upload that package or fix the list. |
| 10:31.46 | karsten | mihur: Again. or chose a different mirror. |
| 10:31.53 | derek[] | oh wait |
| 10:31.55 | mihur | karsten: thanks :) |
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| 10:31.57 | karsten | mihur: MIT's a bunch of flakes. |
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| 10:32.04 | derek[] | what is acpi=off for? |
| 10:32.06 | enouf | !tell derek[] about d-i |
| 10:32.09 | wols_ | tralala: no. but there might be something in the header about your gmail addy |
| 10:32.15 | mihur | karsten: which one do you prerfer? :) |
| 10:32.18 | mihur | derek: guess! |
| 10:32.31 | wols_ | !acpi |
| 10:32.31 | karsten | mihur: apt-spy to search. http.us.debian.org |
| 10:32.32 | dpkg | i guess acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 10:32.33 | enouf | derek[]: there are helpful tutorials and step by step almost precuderes there ... read them thoroughly |
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| 10:32.40 | mihur | karsten: you're too helpful :( |
| 10:32.44 | karsten | mihur: which itself is round-robin. |
| 10:32.58 | mihur | rr aint good if you want to be guaranteed top leech speed. |
| 10:33.07 | tralala | wols_: eh? you mean "yes, but..." or what? |
| 10:33.10 | derek[] | enouf: thanks |
| 10:33.10 | karsten | mihur: I thought you didn't like me. |
| 10:33.13 | fasta | karsten: ok, so I can do that same trick with my own provider to fill in where the smarthost should send its mial? |
| 10:33.18 | fasta | mail, even |
| 10:33.22 | karsten | fasta: No. |
| 10:33.23 | mihur | unfortunately none of the mirrors can staturate my linux ;( |
| 10:33.29 | wols_ | tralala: yes I did mean "yes". need a brain reboot |
| 10:33.30 | mihur | karsten: I'm starting to love you, baby |
| 10:33.32 | enouf | derek[]: welcome .. don;t worry about the Kernel parameters until you have trouble installing |
| 10:33.46 | tralala | wols_: heh ;) okay, thanks |
| 10:33.47 | karsten | fasta: Those are a domain's *inbound* mail exchanges. Its smarthost(s) are usually not advertised. |
| 10:33.58 | derek[] | enouf: I very much suspect I will have troubles installing, because this is a laptop |
| 10:34.07 | karsten | fasta: Check instructions from your ISP as to what host to use. Frequently "mail.isp.com" or "smarthost.isp.com" |
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| 10:34.23 | karsten | fasta: demon.nl ? |
| 10:34.24 | enouf | derek[]: well ... doesn't matter ...read read read .. and visitthese sites |
| 10:34.25 | tralala | mihur: get a room! |
| 10:34.29 | enouf | !laptop |
| 10:34.29 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 10:34.37 | enouf | derek[]: ^^^ ] |
| 10:34.38 | fasta | karsten: yes, I thought it was post.demon.nl |
| 10:34.43 | derek[] | :D |
| 10:34.44 | fasta | karsten: I will verify it. |
| 10:34.44 | mihur | tralala: /me invites tralala and karsten to #debian-orgy |
| 10:34.49 | wols_ | karsten: only if the ISP allows it. mine wants 2,95 per month for using them as a smarthost. fuck that! |
| 10:35.03 | mihur | wols_: fuck that indeed. |
| 10:35.04 | tralala | meh :) |
| 10:35.13 | karsten | fasta: Yeah, that's sorta critical. |
| 10:35.15 | mihur | wols_: an entry in a config file has never been cheaper! |
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| 10:35.41 | karsten | wols_: If you've got alternatives, great. If not, DULs suck. |
| 10:35.51 | tralala | !lart wols_ |
| 10:35.54 | tralala | ops |
| 10:35.56 | wols_ | karsten: yep. failry hard to find free smarthosts |
| 10:36.03 | karsten | fasta: Looks like {post,mail,smtp}.demon.nl are identical. |
| 10:36.12 | mihur | can someone set the most significant bits on the 64bit value that represents my bank account balance to '1' ? |
| 10:36.17 | tralala | that was supposed to be wols_'s isp but my ' key is next to enter... |
| 10:36.23 | xingu | wols_: if you don't attach some nominal value to a service it becomes quite tricky to extract damages for abuse of it |
| 10:36.27 | derek[] | the 'deb' in debian is pronounced as 'pet' , or is it 'deebian'? |
| 10:36.38 | fasta | karsten: you tell that by doing a DNS lookup? |
| 10:36.45 | mihur | derek: I don't think it matters for your case. |
| 10:36.49 | karsten | fasta: A bit of random guessing. |
| 10:37.00 | fasta | karsten: ? |
| 10:37.00 | possie | wols_, would it be possible btw to have dovecot and postfix on two seperate boxes when using Maildir format, without using shared storage? |
| 10:37.08 | karsten | fasta: for h in post mail smtp; do host $h.demon.nl; done |
| 10:37.15 | mihur | possie: how does that work? magic? :) |
| 10:37.36 | possie | mihur, hehe, k i thought so :-) |
| 10:37.39 | wols_ | possie: postfix could forward mail from the first box to the 2nd. often done when people use exchange |
| 10:37.42 | xingu | derek[]: I guess Deborah Murdoch would know the answer to that |
| 10:37.48 | azeem | mihur: stop commenting every single line with nonsense, please |
| 10:37.56 | wols_ | possie: lmtp can also work with tcp sockets |
| 10:37.57 | mihur | azeem: sir yes sir! |
| 10:38.00 | karsten | !pronounce debian |
| 10:38.01 | dpkg | debian is pronounced like Deb and like Ian. Deh-be-an |
| 10:38.04 | karsten | derek[]: ^^ |
| 10:38.23 | possie | wols_, when would you want to use lmtp? i thought ltmp was for internal mail delivery? |
| 10:38.48 | wols_ | possie: lmtp is a MDA type protocol: local mail transport protocol |
| 10:39.07 | mihur | azeem: was it really every single line? |
| 10:39.08 | wols_ | possie: and it is internal when your main, public MTA has accepted it |
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| 10:39.22 | wols_ | mihur: never argue with ops. you can only lose |
| 10:39.23 | karsten | mihur: Don't argue with ops. |
| 10:39.32 | mihur | but he's not opped ;( |
| 10:39.35 | derek[] | ok |
| 10:39.38 | karsten | azeem: You taking orders? |
| 10:39.44 | mihur | heh |
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| 10:40.05 | mihur | karsten: I'll comply with any of your wishes. if you want me to leave just say so. |
| 10:40.06 | derek[] | so I pronounce correctly :) |
| 10:42.01 | tarzeau | is there a unicode character in dejavu sans for ^x and ^y ? |
| 10:42.20 | karsten | qailer: How goes? I'm splitting RSN. |
| 10:42.28 | wols_ | tarzeau: do you honestly expect an answer? |
| 10:42.35 | tarzeau | wols_: yes |
| 10:42.52 | qailer | karsten: sry I went, I was forced. still here? |
| 10:42.58 | tralala | I think this question deserves to enter qotd |
| 10:42.59 | mihur | bye |
| 10:43.08 | mihur | it's been great. |
| 10:43.13 | karsten | qailer: Yeah. How'd the cold boot go? |
| 10:43.14 | derek[] | ... |
| 10:43.22 | qailer | karsten: no success =/ |
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| 10:43.34 | karsten | qailer: Feh. |
| 10:43.39 | tarzeau | wols_: there are ^2 and ^3 characters after all |
| 10:43.41 | tarzeau | and ^TM |
| 10:43.42 | karsten | qailer: Was tg3 loaded when it failed to come up? |
| 10:43.43 | derek[] | I started installation with "linux26" ..and after some messages, a blank screen. Nothing happening.. what to do? |
| 10:43.52 | karsten | derek[]: What messages? |
| 10:43.59 | qailer | karsten: I added it to /etc/modules |
| 10:44.05 | enouf | qailer: you sure those settings are there still ? .. the 'auto eth0' ?? |
| 10:44.07 | derek[] | many messages.. the scrolled out very fast |
| 10:44.08 | karsten | derek[]: Try 'linux26 vga=6' at boot. |
| 10:44.13 | derek[] | they* |
| 10:44.14 | karsten | derek[]: Could be framebuffer |
| 10:44.18 | derek[] | 6/ |
| 10:44.20 | derek[] | ? |
| 10:44.30 | enouf | qailer: also ...' dpkg -l hotplug' .. results? |
| 10:44.31 | karsten | derek[]: 60cols * 80 rows |
| 10:44.49 | derek[] | karsten: the screen res. supported is 1024x768 |
| 10:44.51 | tralala | derek[]: reboot and at the prompt add vga=6 |
| 10:44.53 | karsten | derek[]: At the boot prompt, 'F1' IIRC gives help (or F2). |
| 10:45.19 | qailer | karsten & enouf: the changes I made from the start was to remove the hotplug thing from interfaces and replace it with auto and then add tg3 to modules |
| 10:45.23 | tralala | derek[]: for the installation it shouldn't matter |
| 10:45.32 | karsten | derek[]: This is *just* for the installer. Default installer uses framebuffer. Some systems don't support it. vga=6 should work, and give you a bit of additional real estate |
| 10:45.34 | derek[] | ok |
| 10:45.34 | qailer | enouf: I get some output |
| 10:45.37 | qailer | just a sec |
| 10:45.48 | karsten | qailer: hotplug, on review, _should_ be ok. |
| 10:45.48 | enouf | tarzeau: what characters are usually ^x and ^y .. I mean I have a unicode character map here for sans serif .. but I don;t think that'll help you? |
| 10:46.25 | derek[] | ok, did vga=6 ...again blank |
| 10:46.29 | derek[] | no activity |
| 10:46.30 | qailer | karsten: should I let the hotplug line still be there and add the auto line as well? |
| 10:46.38 | tarzeau | enouf: for example the (C) one is U+00A9 |
| 10:46.41 | karsten | qailer: both. |
| 10:46.48 | tarzeau | enouf: i just need to ones for upperscript x and y |
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| 10:47.06 | karsten | derek[]: What do you see immediately after boot? How many screens of data? <1 or >1, >2 ? |
| 10:47.23 | enouf | qailer: IOW -- if you both udev and hotplug installed that's a no-no usually .. You said you have a 2.6.17 kernel (backports is still at 2.6.16 IIRC), so it isn't a Sarge install ..or is it? |
| 10:47.39 | fasta | karsten: for an easy test, I can just use "mail", right? |
| 10:47.43 | qailer | enouf: it's unstable |
| 10:47.51 | karsten | anyone else know why installer would blank after a screen or two? |
| 10:47.54 | qailer | enouf(etch) |
| 10:47.59 | derek[] | loading linux ........ |
| 10:48.00 | karsten | fasta: Yes. Mail yourself at an *external* address. |
| 10:48.02 | derek[] | loading linux .......... some more lines quickly flash and blank |
| 10:48.09 | enouf | qailer: how'd you get a 2.6.17 kernel ?? ...where from? |
| 10:48.20 | karsten | derek[]: Try "noframebuffer" at boot. No "vga=" at all. |
| 10:48.24 | fasta | karsten: that's what I intended. Thank you very much |
| 10:48.26 | derek[] | karsten: without vga=6 I saw more data |
| 10:48.31 | derek[] | ok |
| 10:48.34 | karsten | derek[]: OK. |
| 10:48.38 | qailer | enouf: from unstbale(?) |
| 10:48.43 | qailer | unstable* |
| 10:48.49 | enouf | tarzeau: upper script ? ..se you lost me .. I'm a fonts b0z0 idiot :-/ |
| 10:48.50 | karsten | derek[]: check the help screens, they may list options. |
| 10:49.02 | derek[] | (in the help it says vga=771 to try for laptops) |
| 10:49.03 | karsten | derek[]: Which installer BTW? sarge or etch? |
| 10:49.04 | enouf | qailer: then it's not Srage now ..is it |
| 10:49.08 | enouf | Sarge even |
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| 10:49.11 | karsten | derek[]: Yeah, don't do that. |
| 10:49.13 | derek[] | sarge |
| 10:49.21 | karsten | derek[]: .. vga=771. That's a framebuffermode. |
| 10:49.27 | derek[] | ok |
| 10:49.44 | karsten | derek[]: netinst? |
| 10:49.49 | qailer | enouf: sry I don't follow you |
| 10:49.59 | qailer | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 10:50.06 | derek[] | karsten: yes. only base |
| 10:50.12 | karsten | derek[]: OK |
| 10:50.19 | derek[] | ok with noframebuffer it was the same as with only linux26 |
| 10:50.22 | derek[] | :/ |
| 10:50.26 | derek[] | blank |
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| 10:50.34 | qailer | enouf: it's a plain amd64 etch install :) |
| 10:50.37 | tarzeau | enouf: you know when you type x^y without the ^ and the y is a bit smaller and on top |
| 10:50.41 | karsten | derek[]: sec |
| 10:50.54 | derek[] | ok |
| 10:51.04 | amphi | derek[]: video=vesa vga=0x318 doesn't work either? |
| 10:51.16 | enouf | qailer: 'dpkg -l hotplug' .. see if it's installed ("ii") and then dpkg -l udev (see if it's installed "ii") ...if Yes and both are ... then 'apt-get --purge remove hotplug' |
| 10:51.21 | karsten | derek[]: "debian-installer/framebuffer=false" |
| 10:51.32 | tralala | wasn't there an option vga=off |
| 10:51.32 | karsten | derek[]: From the installation manual here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en |
| 10:51.57 | derek[] | this is my machine config: http://derek.shorturl.com/M2512AU |
| 10:51.57 | derek[] | amphi: did not try |
| 10:51.59 | qailer | enouf: it's there allright, but looks like there's some problem with it.. () hotplug that is |
| 10:52.08 | enouf | tarzeau: ...sorry man ... I'm realy lost .. no fonts appear when I press my CTRL key :-/ |
| 10:52.48 | karsten | derek[]: Dayum! You're organized. |
| 10:52.49 | qailer | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 10:52.49 | qailer | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 10:52.50 | qailer | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 10:52.56 | enouf | qailer: again .. if BOTH are there (udev and hotplug) ... then do the --purge of hotplug .. |
| 10:53.05 | qailer | enouf: yes |
| 10:53.13 | karsten | qailer: Don't paste to channel please. |
| 10:53.13 | derek[] | dayum? :) |
| 10:53.17 | enouf | qailer: do NOT paste into the channel please |
| 10:53.31 | qailer | sry |
| 10:54.33 | tarzeau | enouf: ^ is not for control |
| 10:54.47 | tralala | derek[]: the educated version of damn |
| 10:54.48 | tarzeau | enouf: it is the computer mathematical sign to uppserscript the next character |
| 10:54.49 | enouf | qailer: for what it's worth .. you can always use 'dpkg -l <pkgname> | tail -1' to get a one line result :-) .. but still no pasting unless (regular) someone says ok .. |
| 10:55.04 | karsten | derek[]: When you get installed, you might augment the specs page with dmidecode output. |
| 10:55.16 | karsten | derek[]: or http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/system-info |
| 10:55.18 | enouf | tarzeau: see. t0old you I was a dunce especially in these matters .. apologies |
| 10:55.19 | derek[] | karsten: what about this: "debian-installer/framebuffer=false" ? do this way: linux 26 debian-installer/framebuffer=false ? |
| 10:55.23 | qailer | enouf: when doing purge it looks like hotplug isn't installed |
| 10:55.24 | karsten | derek[]: ... which is sort of a system profiler script I built |
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| 10:55.40 | karsten | derek[]: No space between "linux" and "26" but yes. |
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| 10:55.53 | derek[] | karsten: ok |
| 10:55.54 | enouf | qailer: hmmm - you'll need to pastebin the exact command and output |
| 10:56.06 | qailer | enouf: sure, just a sec |
| 10:56.19 | enouf | qailer: ok ... more coffee |
| 10:56.22 | karsten | derek[]: This will be a very useful install report reference though. |
| 10:56.24 | esteel | anyone has an idea why my synaptic touchpad driver does not use the FingerLow and FingerHigh options from the xorg.conf file? Its not very nice to be forced to call synclient with the right options after each reboot |
| 10:56.31 | qailer | enouf: :) |
| 10:56.44 | qailer | enouf: java? |
| 10:57.21 | derek[] | karsten: this worked: linux26 debian-installer/framebuffer=false |
| 10:57.28 | enouf | qailer: erm ... no ... Joe :-p |
| 10:57.31 | karsten | derek[]: Sweet. |
| 10:57.35 | derek[] | =) |
| 10:57.36 | enouf | as in cup-o-joe |
| 10:57.53 | enouf | doesn't do java |
| 10:58.06 | qailer | enouf: :) http://channels.debian.net/paste2/3969 |
| 10:58.23 | karsten | derek[]: You should be OK from here. I'm hitting the sack. |
| 10:58.27 | enouf | qailer: actally ...yes as in coffee=java .. no as in java=programming nonsense |
| 10:58.32 | enouf | looking |
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| 10:59.03 | derek[] | karsten: wait |
| 10:59.11 | qailer | enouf: C is the shit :) |
| 10:59.16 | karsten | derek[]: Feh. What? |
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| 10:59.33 | derek[] | how do I go back one step in the installation? |
| 10:59.43 | enouf | qailer: hotplug is ("un") "Unknown" and "Not" installed |
| 10:59.46 | qailer | enouf: (I mean positiv) |
| 10:59.46 | derek[] | I hit ESC and it skipped that stepped and moved on to the next |
| 10:59.50 | dman | is a low memory installer for sarge available.. ive for 32m of ram |
| 10:59.51 | karsten | derek[]: Everything you need to know: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 10:59.55 | enouf | C fior eh w11n! |
| 11:00.07 | qailer | enouf: yeah.. :S |
| 11:00.09 | karsten | derek[]: I think it's '<esc>' |
| 11:00.23 | qailer | enouf: ohh sry, I got it |
| 11:00.30 | karsten | derek[]: chapter 6 |
| 11:00.41 | qailer | enouf: why would I get output like that if it aint availible? |
| 11:00.51 | enouf | qailer: it appears hotplug is not your issue then ... back to square one .. pastebin your new /etc/network/interfaces now |
| 11:01.01 | qailer | enouf: sure :) |
| 11:01.10 | derek[] | karsten: ok |
| 11:01.21 | derek[] | karsten: thanks. talk to you again. |
| 11:01.37 | qailer | enouf: http://channels.debian.net/paste2/3970 |
| 11:01.46 | karsten | derek[]: "debconf/priority=medium" as boot param to go menu-driven on installer. |
| 11:01.49 | enouf | qailer: looking |
| 11:01.50 | hq4ever_2 | does someone known whats the name of the package in debian that simulates a tcp/ip lab. I remember seeing something like this once but can't find it anymore |
| 11:01.57 | karsten | derek[]: Ok. Happy Linuxing. |
| 11:02.08 | derek[] | karsten: what is menu-driven ? |
| 11:02.27 | derek[] | menu in the installation? o.o |
| 11:02.27 | karsten | derek[]: What you were asking for. Though I *still* think <esc> gets you there. |
| 11:02.35 | derek[] | ok |
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| 11:04.34 | enouf | qailer: It looks fine there except for the (#hotplug comment) but nevermind that - it's not read .. but anyway .so everything works exactly the same way it has before ..right? ...except you still have the Cold Boot issue ..hmmm |
| 11:04.48 | cunzhang | Is there anybody using grub2? I hope to know how about it. |
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| 11:05.44 | fasta | karsten: mail -s "test" <RET>Foobar <C-d> <C-d> gives that sendmail returns a status 1, i.e. it fails. |
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| 11:05.53 | karsten | enouf: My next thought WRT qailer was to get more info on what happened in cold boot. |
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| 11:05.56 | qailer | enouf: yeah.. (btw I was thinking of a joke: adding reboot in rc.conf so I never get any cold boots :)) |
| 11:06.18 | karsten | fasta: sendmail logs its errors. Check 'em out. You may need to authenticate to your smarthost. Again read your ISP's instructions. |
| 11:06.23 | enouf | cunzhang: see grub.enbug.org and #grub |
| 11:06.25 | karsten | fasta: ... and I'm asleep, so don't talk to me. |
| 11:06.41 | qailer | karsten & enouf: that seemes reasanable |
| 11:06.50 | fasta | karsten: sorry |
| 11:06.50 | karsten | qailer: I like your idea ;-) |
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| 11:06.57 | qailer | karsten: :D |
| 11:07.01 | karsten | fasta: NP, just it's 4am. |
| 11:07.12 | enouf | karsten: thanks karsten .. I'm stuck here and don't want to break the poor guys system :-) |
| 11:07.15 | fasta | karsten: I had those times too, I know the feeling. |
| 11:07.26 | qailer | no wait: I though of rc.local, well.. same function.. :D |
| 11:07.26 | tralala | karsten: no, it's not - it's 2pm ;) |
| 11:07.28 | cunzhang | enouf,thank u very much! |
| 11:07.44 | enouf | cunzhang: no prob |
| 11:07.55 | cunzhang | :) |
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| 11:08.25 | qailer | karsten & enoug: what should I look for: strange thing was I don't remember having this problem a week ago |
| 11:08.38 | qailer | I mean in cold boot, syslog? |
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| 11:08.54 | qailer | I tried ifup but it didn't solve my prob |
| 11:09.16 | qailer | it tells me no such interface (ifup eth0) |
| 11:09.55 | enouf | qailer: actually you should go over logs of dmesg, syslog, kern.log, etc in /var/log ..perhaps ebnable Bootlog by editing /etc/default/bootlog (self-explanatory ) .. then review those logs ... wonder what you netqwork setup is like... and ,maybe not transmitting any DHCP addys for some odd reason upon ny xtyended period of time |
| 11:10.22 | Charminthemoose | have ye tried dhclient? |
| 11:10.33 | enouf | erm /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 11:10.55 | jahshua | hello |
| 11:10.59 | qailer | enouf: args... Charminthemoose: yep... but that's the same thing as inet dhcp in the script as well... |
| 11:11.27 | Fyre | hey, my iptables script is in /etc/init.d/ and ive chomd them to 755 but they dont start up on boot? |
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| 11:11.39 | valdyn | qailer: that interface is listed in 'ifconfig -a' ? |
| 11:11.45 | tralala | Fyre: man update-rc.d |
| 11:11.47 | qailer | enouf: do you thing it'll work better if I reserve a static ip form my router? |
| 11:11.47 | jahshua | can anyone please help me out with why this line in my /etc/apt/sources.list is incorrect ... deb http://security.debian.org sid/updates main contrib non-free ? |
| 11:11.49 | [Bart] | how can you install a previous version of -for example- php with apt-get? |
| 11:12.08 | valdyn | jahshua: remove that line , sid gets no security updates |
| 11:12.11 | qailer | valdyn: it isn't after cold boot |
| 11:12.25 | cunzhang | jahshua,valdyn is right |
| 11:12.28 | jahshua | valdyn ok thanks |
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| 11:12.37 | valdyn | qailer: but its there when you do what? |
| 11:12.51 | qailer | valdyn: warm boot :) |
| 11:12.58 | vin` | valdyn: that is a misnomer ain't it? security filters from up there. |
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| 11:13.08 | enouf | qailer: using a router? pppoe at all? ..umm ... also check out the comp.os.linux.networking list and 'search it too using keywords perhaps -- Static IP ..yes .. if you can set it up correctly ..sure wonder what your /etc/resolv.conf says and if your NIC is using any WOL functions |
| 11:13.11 | valdyn | vin`: i dont understand what you mean |
| 11:13.13 | runev | where do i put the lines to modprobe a module, if i want it to start when the system boots? |
| 11:13.22 | valdyn | runev: /etc/modules |
| 11:13.33 | valdyn | runev: you just add the module tere |
| 11:13.36 | valdyn | runev: you just add the module there |
| 11:14.00 | enouf | valdyn: qailer is only not getting any DHCP network after Cold booting .. warm-booting however it remains fine |
| 11:14.01 | tralala | runev: man modules |
| 11:14.05 | runev | valdyn: okay, thanks :) |
| 11:14.14 | enouf | valdyn: just to trry to update ya :-) |
| 11:14.17 | valdyn | enouf: switching his computer on is a cold boot |
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| 11:14.30 | enouf | valdyn: I concur |
| 11:14.33 | Charminthemoose | on bootup the messages appear: 'error: unable to load /lib/modules/hotplug/schipe.ko' operation not permitted. |
| 11:14.51 | Charminthemoose | god i mispelled that... |
| 11:14.59 | xingu | from the sounds of it the driver is not initialising at cold boot |
| 11:15.00 | Charminthemoose | spcie.ko |
| 11:15.16 | enouf | valdyn: qailer : a /sbin/shutdown -r now is warm booting |
| 11:15.25 | valdyn | qailer: sounds like your cold boot does something differnt than power off / power on, thats not how ti should be |
| 11:15.35 | valdyn | enouf: yea |
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| 11:15.47 | xingu | or, that the tg driver is buggy at this release for this hardware |
| 11:15.53 | tralala | Charminthemoose: which debian version is this? |
| 11:15.54 | xingu | which isn't as unknown as it sounds |
| 11:16.13 | qailer | this sure feels like a weird prolem |
| 11:16.31 | xingu | qailer: your network driver is tg, yeah? what happens in the cold boot and broken case, if you rmmod then modprobe the driver, again? |
| 11:16.32 | valdyn | qailer: indeed, its a problem that does not start at linux but with your bios |
| 11:16.33 | enouf | Charminthemoose: are you sure it says schipe.ko? ...hmm |
| 11:16.35 | Charminthemoose | tralala:'tis 3.1r3 |
| 11:16.48 | Charminthemoose | one sec |
| 11:16.55 | Charminthemoose | i'll try and get the exact name. |
| 11:16.58 | Charminthemoose | :S |
| 11:17.08 | qailer | xingu: let me try |
| 11:17.09 | valdyn | qailer: why do you ever do cold reboots anyway? |
| 11:17.17 | tralala | Charminthemoose: when did this message start to appear? |
| 11:17.19 | xingu | qailer: specifically, does the network device/interface eth0 get created if you do that, and, what are the diffs between a warmboot dmesg,"lspci -vv" and a coldboot one? |
| 11:17.37 | derek[] | what is the importance of the country/region selection during installation? |
| 11:17.50 | qailer | xingu: stupid me never tried loading modules manually after cold, |
| 11:18.17 | tralala | derek[]: timezone and language settings I think |
| 11:18.17 | valdyn | derek[]: your hw clock may be set to GMT and still display the right time, secondly daylight savings |
| 11:18.17 | qailer | valdyn: I don't I do cold boots after halts |
| 11:18.18 | enouf | Charminthemoose: I think you mean "shpchp.ko" |
| 11:18.24 | qailer | brb |
| 11:18.26 | derek[] | hm |
| 11:18.41 | derek[] | and if I want the time to be taken from the BIOS? |
| 11:18.50 | Charminthemoose | enouf: Yeah,i think that's the one. |
| 11:19.00 | tralala | derek[]: it is taken from BIOS on boot |
| 11:19.04 | enouf | Charminthemoose: that's Standard Hotplug Controller Host Protocol or simi;lar if I'm not mistakenm |
| 11:19.07 | valdyn | derek[]: you're confusig things, your bios gets time from the same place as linux |
| 11:19.16 | tralala | the question is how is that time interpreted - as local time or GMT time |
| 11:19.17 | derek[] | oh |
| 11:19.21 | derek[] | i see |
| 11:19.38 | derek[] | what is the difference between local time and GMT time? |
| 11:19.43 | Charminthemoose | sorry i got the dmesg output. |
| 11:19.46 | valdyn | derek[]: but linux will optionally 'convert' GMT to local time if you want that, your bios wont |
| 11:19.46 | Charminthemoose | one sec |
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| 11:19.49 | enouf | Charminthemoose: I've seen that before ... just not sure whether to tell you to rmmod that mod or not .. it depends on which verion of DSeb you are running... and some toher things |
| 11:20.09 | valdyn | derek[]: GMT is the local time of greenwhich, local time is uh, the time at your place |
| 11:20.11 | tralala | derek[]: somewhere between 0 and 12 hours depending on where you live. Go for local time. |
| 11:20.15 | Charminthemoose | hw_random hardware driver 1.0.0 loaded |
| 11:20.15 | Charminthemoose | cpci_hotplug: CompactPCI Hot Plug Core version: 0.2 |
| 11:20.15 | Charminthemoose | pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 |
| 11:20.15 | Charminthemoose | pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 |
| 11:20.15 | Charminthemoose | shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 |
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| 11:20.28 | Charminthemoose | oops |
| 11:20.31 | enouf | cqst: bad bad mooost ! :-/ |
| 11:20.35 | enouf | moosey even |
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| 11:20.41 | derek[] | hm |
| 11:20.48 | tralala | Charminthemoose: see? no pasting here |
| 11:20.52 | enouf | Charminthemoose: do NOT paste in the Channel please |
| 11:21.01 | derek[] | well then why would I want GMT time when I don't live in London? :) |
| 11:21.21 | enouf | Charminthemoose: dmesg | grep ACPI <---pastebin that |
| 11:21.28 | valdyn | derek[]: this whole system is useful to compare times between networked computers, since sometimes you or installed programs may want to know which file was generated earlier, or how to sort your mail by time |
| 11:21.33 | tralala | derek[]: you don't - thus the advice to go for local time |
| 11:21.51 | derek[] | k |
| 11:21.58 | enouf | Charminthemoose: didn't I ask you earlier about your Hardware ??? wtf ? |
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| 11:22.08 | Werdnum | is there a PHP5 CLI for Debian? |
| 11:22.17 | tralala | Charminthemoose: I'm not in flood. Use a pasting web page. |
| 11:22.23 | Charminthemoose | enouf: not that i can remember |
| 11:22.33 | valdyn | derek[]: unix standard is GMT, windows standard is local time, linux can work with both |
| 11:22.53 | xingu | unix standard is UTC, GMT != UTC |
| 11:22.58 | enouf | Charminthemoose: yeah .. I asked for Mobo CPU and RAM info ...hardware (old/new) ...view the logs |
| 11:23.03 | Werdnum | ~tell me about php5 |
| 11:23.12 | xingu | sorry to be the grammar police, but it's a pet peeve. |
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| 11:23.13 | enouf | Charminthemoose: but nevermind .. let's move on |
| 11:23.35 | Werdnum | ~tell me about php-cli |
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| 11:23.48 | Eulex | Werdnum, /msg the bot instead |
| 11:24.02 | enouf | !tell Charminthemoose about paster |
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| 11:25.18 | Charminthemoose | http://pastebin.ca/193946 |
| 11:25.37 | derek[] | valdyn: ok |
| 11:25.56 | Yperite | Hi, someone can tell me if debian is based on a monolitic kernel ? |
| 11:26.22 | enouf | Charminthemoose: looking .. now tell us about your Hadware and Debian version and kernel version (cat /etc/debian_version and uname -r) |
| 11:26.26 | tralala | Yperite: it's linux based, so the answer is yes - linux is monolithic |
| 11:26.27 | xingu | Yperite: monolithic, yes |
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| 11:26.52 | Yperite | tralala, xingu MacOSx is based on monolitic kernel too ? |
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| 11:27.15 | xingu | monolithic, yes. |
| 11:27.45 | Werdnum | monolithic == ? |
| 11:28.04 | Charminthemoose | /etc/debian_version:3.1 and uname -r:2.6.8-2-686 |
| 11:28.06 | Yperite | xingu, someone tell me that MacOS X is based on microkernel |
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| 11:28.09 | xingu | wiki it, ~= all kernel services run in ring 0 |
| 11:28.19 | Werdnum | ~tell me about monolithic |
| 11:28.24 | amphi | Yperite: well, AFAIK darwin is some bsdish thing running as a monolithic task on top of a mach microkernel |
| 11:28.29 | qailer | now it works! |
| 11:28.37 | qailer | I only had to uncomment the hotplug thing |
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| 11:28.58 | qailer | thx everyone |
| 11:28.58 | jende | Hi there! |
| 11:29.11 | Yperite | amphi, do you know where i can find some informations about this subject ? |
| 11:29.20 | amphi | Yperite: teh intarweb? |
| 11:29.21 | valdyn | derek[]: UTC is the same as GMT for your needs and purposes. |
| 11:29.24 | Werdnum | uh, the factoid for kernel is in a foreign language. |
| 11:29.51 | jende | Just a question: my root is almost full. So, is there a way to give root more space or an easy way to clean it? |
| 11:29.51 | xingu | Yperite: the distinction they're failing to draw is that there's only one personality, and that's where the drivers are |
| 11:29.59 | tralala | Charminthemoose: I don't see the error message in your post |
| 11:30.00 | qailer | especially: enouf and karsten |
| 11:30.12 | derek[] | sorry man, gaim doesn't flash on my nick typed |
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| 11:30.17 | enouf | Charminthemoose: ok ... I see .. I too used to get those dmesg errors uising Sarge on my PII ..(yours is PIII) ...so are you using GRUB ? .. if so add acpi=force at the end of the Kerenl line in menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:30.28 | enouf | qailer: huh .. what did I miss? |
| 11:30.31 | xingu | Yperite: I'd have a lot more time for that claim if the osx kernel and drivers were on an equal, nonprotected, message passing footing |
| 11:30.32 | tralala | derek[]: swtich to irssi |
| 11:30.39 | qailer | enouf: I was thanking you := |
| 11:30.41 | qailer | :) |
| 11:30.54 | xingu | Yperite: but they're not; so whether or not the whole shebang is hosted on mach is largely irrelevant |
| 11:30.55 | enouf | qailer: well thank you :-) what did you uncomment? |
| 11:31.09 | qailer | enouf: it workes now, I only had to uncomment the hotplug enable in interfaces :) |
| 11:31.26 | xingu | Yperite: and if they were, it'd be a whole bunch slower than it is at present; because mach's message ports suck. |
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| 11:31.47 | tralala | xingu: :) |
| 11:31.48 | Yperite | xingu, Where you find thess informations |
| 11:31.50 | derek[] | US international layout is a good choice, isn't it? |
| 11:31.53 | enouf | qailer: come on now .... aere you kidding? that almost makes no sense .. hey but whatever ...it works for yhu ? I'm a happy camper :-) |
| 11:31.56 | derek[] | tralala: right now I'm in windows |
| 11:31.59 | enouf | you* |
| 11:32.06 | derek[] | tralala: soon I'll have irssi :D |
| 11:32.13 | Charminthemoose | thanks enouf!I'll see if that works |
| 11:32.21 | enouf | Charminthemoose: okie |
| 11:32.21 | esteel | derek[]: yes i think us international is a good choice. Use it myself :) |
| 11:32.26 | jende | so, noone has an idea?really? |
| 11:32.26 | qailer | enouf: yeah, I don't even have that package :P, yeah me too :) |
| 11:32.27 | tralala | derek[]: irssi works in windows (at least under cygwin) |
| 11:32.28 | derek[] | well if I can connect to the internet from linux that is.. (GPRS + Bluetooth) |
| 11:32.29 | xingu | Yperite: second year in any decent computing science coarse, or, read; for me personally, printed media circa nextstep's release |
| 11:32.37 | derek[] | tralala: no cygwin installed |
| 11:32.49 | qailer | enouf: do you program in C? |
| 11:32.56 | derek[] | isn't there a British English international layout? |
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| 11:33.16 | Yperite | xingu, thanks you very much for yours explanations |
| 11:33.17 | tralala | derek[]: is that british or international? |
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| 11:33.29 | enouf | qailer: not at all :-p .. but i know ebough about languages to know whiich ones I don;t like |
| 11:33.50 | enouf | qailer: err just enough |
| 11:33.51 | tralala | derek[]: and there's nothing easier than installing cygwin |
| 11:34.02 | derek[] | erm.. in the installer no international layout option is available :( |
| 11:34.03 | qailer | enouf: I see :), I was wondering if you wanted to join me with this project :) |
| 11:34.13 | derek[] | tralala: I don't want to install cygwin. |
| 11:34.29 | jende | @all: I need some help, cause my root (hda1) is getting almost full and I don't know how to clean it or if there is an easy way to give root fair bit of more space |
| 11:34.34 | qailer | enouf: I'm writing a client/server torrent app |
| 11:34.42 | tralala | derek[]: I don't know what you mean. I haven't seen an international layout. |
| 11:34.56 | tralala | derek[]: perhaps you mean the US layout? |
| 11:34.57 | SpComb | arent't there enough of those already? Program something new! |
| 11:34.58 | enouf | qailer: well I''m flattered ... thanks ... apologies I can't help - but hang around continue helping others perhaps .. or just lurk awhile |
| 11:35.01 | derek[] | during the installation? |
| 11:35.05 | simonrvn | jende: apt-get clean maybe? |
| 11:35.09 | enouf | qailer: cool .. sounds very interesting |
| 11:35.19 | derek[] | there is US layout and there is US International layout |
| 11:35.32 | jende | simonrvn: I've done that already and root is still on 94% usage |
| 11:35.37 | tralala | derek[]: why not? Cygwin will make your windows almost useful. |
| 11:35.40 | derek[] | but in the installer only US layout is available |
| 11:35.41 | simonrvn | fark |
| 11:35.53 | derek[] | tralala: ok, lets leave it for later. |
| 11:35.58 | jende | simonrvn: fark? |
| 11:36.01 | enouf | qailer: all I know is thwe most OO code is slow aas dripping shit in he winter ..and true C is fast as all heck IMO |
| 11:36.04 | simonrvn | aka fuck |
| 11:36.11 | enouf | farts |
| 11:36.14 | qailer | enouf: I hope I'll get done in my life time :), will I get head chopped if I ask for your msn? :P |
| 11:36.16 | simonrvn | fartfish |
| 11:36.16 | jende | simonrvn: *g* |
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| 11:36.34 | simonrvn | qailer: yes |
| 11:36.38 | Charminthemoose | enouf: still no joy |
| 11:36.43 | enouf | qailer: no .. but ask anyway .. I don;t do any of that messaging nonsens :-p |
| 11:36.57 | jende | simonrvn: do you know any other ways ? |
| 11:37.03 | qailer | enouf: it's quite common in sweden :) |
| 11:37.08 | enouf | Charminthemoose: sorry to hear ...lemmee see what your /boot/grub/menu.lst looks like now |
| 11:37.10 | simonrvn | jende: went around with du to see? |
| 11:37.27 | jende | simonrvn: yep, and even du -sch |
| 11:37.33 | simonrvn | no, not depleted uranium |
| 11:37.34 | enouf | qailer: it's common in many area iof the world .. I'm an older fart ;o |
| 11:37.36 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 11:37.45 | simonrvn | jende: uninstall stuff ? :) |
| 11:37.54 | Charminthemoose | enouf:i Put the acpi=force on the kopt line,should it have been in the auto magic kernel line? |
| 11:37.55 | qailer | enouf: :) |
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| 11:38.21 | enouf | Charminthemoose: that's for later so as to only keep it effective for update-grub commands |
| 11:38.27 | jende | simonrvn: I thought that there is maybe a way to give root mor space, as my home has 70GB free |
| 11:38.46 | tralala | Charminthemoose: I'd rather use apm than force acpi. |
| 11:38.50 | jende | simonrvn: if there isn't...well than I have to see what I can uninstall |
| 11:38.51 | enouf | qailer: wishin you well my amigo ... as you were |
| 11:39.02 | Charminthemoose | oh so i put at the end of the kernel line? |
| 11:39.08 | qailer | enouf: you to, see ya arroung? |
| 11:39.10 | qailer | arround* |
| 11:39.15 | enouf | tralala: not me ... my PII 440bx works great with acpi=force |
| 11:39.31 | enouf | qailer: gosure thing |
| 11:39.34 | enouf | sure* |
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| 11:40.00 | tralala | enouf: my PII thinkpad works great with acpi=off |
| 11:40.15 | qailer | enouf: great :) |
| 11:40.18 | enouf | tralala: however I'm on a newrer Deb version (outdated Sid install) and using the 2.6.16-2-686 kernel - fwiw |
| 11:40.37 | enouf | tralala: 6 of one -- half-a-dozen of the other |
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| 11:40.51 | enouf | tralala: mines a Desktop :-p |
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| 11:41.06 | enouf | more coffee folks ... brb |
| 11:41.41 | tralala | enouf: I've tried forcing acpi and I wasn't happy with the results. With recent kernels as well. |
| 11:41.51 | qailer | pure black is the best, but folks say I shouldn't drink it coz it wrecks my tumy :( |
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| 11:42.21 | derek[] | During installation: [!!] Configure the network - Network autoconfiguration failed. Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly. <continue> |
| 11:42.30 | derek[] | I have not network cable plugged in |
| 11:42.34 | derek[] | no* |
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| 11:43.30 | enouf | tralala: okie ...I can certainly see how a lappy might be much more finicky in that regard |
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| 11:44.10 | jende | simonrvn: see ya |
| 11:44.10 | xingu | Yperite: http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/osx/arch_xnu.html <-- there's a cite that's worth reading. |
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| 11:45.05 | Yperite | xingu, what do you think about this : http://www.computer.org/portal/site/computer/menuitem.5d61c1d591162e4b0ef1bd108bcd45f3/index.jsp?&pName=computer_level1_article&TheCat=1005&path=computer/homepage/0506&file=cover1.xml&xsl=article.xsl&;jsessionid=FnTlCh1yVpWZXC2v9hvxGlJVrhQntVhClYBJlpgvHjHMT1P2sZ1h!666234918 |
| 11:45.14 | tralala | derek[]: if you're going for a netinstall you'll want that network up and running |
| 11:45.19 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 11:45.19 | dpkg | somebody said bugstats was http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
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| 11:46.02 | Charminthemoose | enouf: it worked!thanks. |
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| 11:46.35 | newsfreak | hi all, hätte jemand kurz zeit für ein problem mit dem wpa_supplicant? |
| 11:46.43 | enouf | Charminthemoose: fwiw -- those dmesg errors are nothing to worry about -- one is the Standard Hot plug protocol as I mentioned -- the other module is a PCI Express Bus module -- your i810 Mobo doesn;t have that :-) hence the errors ...but they should'nt be loaded - yet not sure if they are modules or just "on' (=y) in the kernel Config file |
| 11:46.50 | enouf | Charminthemoose: no shit :-) |
| 11:46.55 | derek[] | tralala: there is no network |
| 11:46.58 | enouf | Charminthemoose: cool |
| 11:47.10 | esteel | server reboot.. brb |
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| 11:48.19 | xingu | Yperite: I think that domain specific solutions are a dime a dozen; I think that there's plenty of loons in OS research/ design space; I don't think that one white paper and one new research project is going to fix the world overnight; I think that there's more mileage in iteratively fixing the problems in existing platforms than creating whole new ones (problems, and platforms) |
| 11:48.22 | enouf | Charminthemoose: now review the output of dmesg | grep ACPI just to learn some more about what it's doing (look over all of dmesg even) ... biut alos NOW add that to the "kopt=" line above in menu.lst |
| 11:49.02 | hq4ever_2 | how do you set the date of a file, I want it to be >2 days old |
| 11:49.16 | xingu | hq4ever_2: "touch" |
| 11:49.35 | Yperite | xingu : thx :) i read recently that MAC OS X will pass on monolitic kernel on the next releases, it's true ? |
| 11:49.38 | enouf | Charminthemoose: here's an example .. this is mine exactly (Edit yours accordingly) .. --> |
| 11:49.41 | enouf | Charminthemoose: # kopt=root=/dev/hdc1 ro acpi=force |
| 11:49.47 | hq4ever_2 | cool, didn't knew touch can set old date as well. thanks |
| 11:50.17 | Charminthemoose | coolies enouf |
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| 11:50.22 | enouf | Charminthemoose: it's important to LEave the 1 single Hash (#) alone -- iow .. leave it there |
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| 11:50.53 | derek[] | I have no network cable plugged in. Why is the installer probbing into it? |
| 11:51.04 | RichiH | any suggestions on what mencoder settings are good to use to compress these videos made by ixus cameras? from what i can tell, and that is not much in this case, they are completely uncompressed |
| 11:51.11 | enouf | Charminthemoose: now whenever it's time to update your kernel and run update-grub .. your (custom) settings will remain |
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| 11:51.14 | RichiH | file says: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 640 x 480, 30.00 fps, video: Motion JPEG, audio: uncompressed PCM (mono, 11024 Hz) |
| 11:51.57 | wols_ | RichiH: it is compressed: motion jpeg aka mjpeg |
| 11:52.20 | RichiH | wols_: it's still huge for the quality.. :/ |
| 11:52.33 | RichiH | a minute is close to 100 mb |
| 11:53.06 | valdyn | RichiH: each frame compressed individually |
| 11:53.09 | RichiH | wols_: any suggestion on a target format to transcode to? i obviously do not want to get bitten by the transcode bug too hard |
| 11:53.26 | RichiH | ah, somjped does not use bframes etc? |
| 11:53.30 | RichiH | that explains a lot ;) |
| 11:53.35 | wols_ | not really. use mpeg4 |
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| 11:53.49 | wols_ | or I would at least |
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| 11:58.28 | Mazingaro | does anyone now about that huge update for unstable today? |
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| 11:58.55 | valdyn | Mazingaro: like every other day? |
| 11:59.14 | Mazingaro | valdyn: no, this is very huge |
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| 11:59.29 | valdyn | Mazingaro: how so? oo.org upgraded? |
| 11:59.42 | RichiH | wols_: thanks i will fool around with the options a bit |
| 12:00.05 | iveqy | hi, 've a stable installation, but I want it to be a edge... Can I upgrade somehow or do I need to do a complete reinstallation? |
| 12:00.14 | Mazingaro | valdyn: kde + xorg + misc utilities |
| 12:00.28 | Mazingaro | like initscripts and python |
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| 12:00.57 | valdyn | Mazingaro: guess kde is making this huge, but i see nothing unusual about it |
| 12:01.42 | Mazingaro | valdyn: :| |
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| 12:03.09 | valdyn | iveqy: whats 'a edge' in your context? |
| 12:03.48 | knoxy | my vmware dont boot linux cd.. I've configured vmware BIOS to boot cd.. but it dont work.. somebody help-me? |
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| 12:04.10 | iveqy | valdyn: oh sry. an edge installation. Is't that tthe lastest debian version, also called testing? |
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| 12:04.29 | valdyn | iveqy: etch is the current debian/testing |
| 12:04.38 | valdyn | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 12:04.39 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 12:05.28 | knoxy | my vmware dont boot linux cd.. I've configured vmware BIOS to boot cd.. but it dont work.. somebody help-me? I don't know why |
| 12:05.45 | iveqy | valdyn: thx. |
| 12:06.30 | Mazingaro | I'd like to know if someone else have to install all that garbage too :) |
| 12:07.45 | valdyn | Mazingaro: why would you 'have to' ? |
| 12:07.54 | valdyn | Mazingaro: why are you complaining that sid gets updates? |
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| 12:08.03 | Mazingaro | valdyn: no I'm not |
| 12:08.28 | Mazingaro | valdyn: my kde device icons stop to work :) |
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| 12:08.46 | valdyn | Mazingaro: so look at the bts |
| 12:08.48 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 12:08.49 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 12:11.57 | Toothpick | I've lost my ability to open a console in X...PTY doesn't have read/write access? |
| 12:12.01 | Toothpick | Sid |
| 12:12.55 | abrotman | did you change perms ? |
| 12:13.07 | Toothpick | abrotman: I don't think so. |
| 12:13.23 | Toothpick | I did an apt-get and purge of kdm and xdm |
| 12:13.32 | Toothpick | and installed entrance from enlightenment |
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| 12:13.41 | Toothpick | That's when I noticed the problem. |
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| 12:13.53 | abrotman | e17 isn't in debian ... |
| 12:13.59 | abrotman | what are the perms on your pts ? |
| 12:14.24 | abrotman | weird |
| 12:14.32 | abrotman | nothing in the bts ? |
| 12:15.29 | derek[] | people |
| 12:15.50 | derek[] | the installer is making the linux partition as Bootable . Should I let it do that? (I have windows too) |
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| 12:16.17 | wols_ | yes |
| 12:16.19 | derek[] | and it is making the linux partition as primary. (there is already one primary partition (C:\)) |
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| 12:16.29 | abrotman | you can have four primary |
| 12:16.35 | derek[] | ok |
| 12:16.35 | wols_ | you can have more than one primary partition. doesn't matter |
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| 12:17.17 | lunitik | abrotman: you're here! |
| 12:17.38 | lunitik | abrotman: hey... that IRC bug because my router sucks.... what port was I supposed to be using? |
| 12:17.46 | abrotman | 8001 |
| 12:17.54 | lunitik | abrotman: every port other than 6667 refuses my connection |
| 12:17.56 | wols_ | lunitik: can't you get a new firmware? |
| 12:18.00 | lunitik | ahh... thank you... brb |
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| 12:18.02 | abrotman | yes .. he can |
| 12:18.07 | abrotman | for most of them anyways |
| 12:18.16 | lunitik | wols_: I'm apparently up to date... and still have the issue... |
| 12:18.30 | wols_ | brand/modeL? just to avoid it |
| 12:18.54 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 12:19.38 | lunitik | wols_: Netgear WGT264 |
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| 12:20.18 | CodeBook | does anyone who runs vmware-server 1.0.1 on debian etch (or maybe sid?) have managed to resolve the libdbus* and libpng* problems? |
| 12:20.22 | derek[] | Which is better in dualboot: to install the bootloader in the MBR or in a partition? |
| 12:20.23 | ma3x | wtf is /lib/init/rw ? |
| 12:20.31 | Fox_1_ | does procmail support Maindir? |
| 12:20.35 | lunitik | derek[]: install grub to mbr |
| 12:20.39 | abrotman | derek[]: mbr IMO |
| 12:20.39 | Fox_1_ | sorry Maildir :) |
| 12:20.49 | derek[] | ok |
| 12:20.58 | abrotman | procmail delivers to your local MTA iirc |
| 12:21.07 | derek[] | and if it is installed in the MBR, does the root partition still need to be flagged as Bootable? |
| 12:21.09 | CodeBook | derek[], most important is that you decide for one boot manager to be the main one :P |
| 12:21.21 | derek[] | (because the windows primary partition is already Bootable) |
| 12:21.39 | wols_ | derek[]: no. bootflag is meaningless under linux |
| 12:21.54 | derek[] | wols_: the installer marks "B" |
| 12:21.57 | derek[] | it is meaningless? |
| 12:22.12 | lunitik | wols_: ahh... seriously? I never knew that... I thought I had issues once because of that infact |
| 12:22.14 | wols_ | Fox_1_: there is no such thing as Maindir. and yes procmail supports maildir |
| 12:22.36 | wols_ | lunitik: depends what MBR you have. lilo and grub don't care. the bootloader put there by fdisk from DOS or windows does |
| 12:22.38 | ma3x | helloooooooo |
| 12:22.45 | ma3x | wols_, come on buddy, tell me now about /lib/init/rw |
| 12:22.50 | ma3x | since you're only concerned about debian stuff |
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| 12:23.34 | lunitik | wols_: I'd installed GRUB to mbr... no Windows system... I think it was Debian that refused to find the file system... reinstalled with bootable flag, and it worked... |
| 12:23.44 | Fox_1_ | it receive mail for local users from anywhere . yes? |
| 12:23.58 | lunitik | wols_: could be I just did something else correctly, and that was the only thing I noticed I did differently though... |
| 12:24.09 | derek[] | lunitik: you put bootflag on which partition? windows or linux ? |
| 12:24.11 | wols_ | lunitik: what the default bootloader does is simply chainloading in grub lingo, and to know what to load, the bootflag is there |
| 12:24.23 | Fox_1_ | and store them in the folder maildir |
| 12:24.25 | lunitik | derek[]: I just said, there was NO windows partition |
| 12:24.33 | derek[] | k |
| 12:24.40 | ma3x | wols_, hello |
| 12:24.46 | wols_ | Fox_1_: procmail? it "receives" mail only from the MTA, nowhere else |
| 12:25.01 | derek[] | wols_: so I should leave the bootflag on the windows partition? |
| 12:25.10 | wols_ | derek[]: sure. doesn't matter |
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| 12:25.23 | Toothpick | abrotman: I'll check |
| 12:25.28 | derek[] | k |
| 12:25.35 | Fox_1_ | MTA like sendmail? |
| 12:25.47 | abrotman | i thought procmail had to redeliver your mail to the MTA .. but i haven't used it .. in forever |
| 12:25.53 | wols_ | Fox_1_: yes. but don't use sendmail for the love of God |
| 12:26.12 | wols_ | abrotman: at least maildir it can and usually does deliver directly |
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| 12:26.35 | Fox_1_ | wols_: why? you don't like sendmail? |
| 12:26.39 | abrotman | i just route mail to devnull .. my bosses think i'm a bad admin :) |
| 12:26.42 | wols_ | back when I used it that is, but I haven't used it in forever either :) simply add a / at the end of delivery path means "maildir" |
| 12:26.58 | abrotman | wols_: ah yeah .. you're right |
| 12:27.53 | wols_ | Fox_1_: cause if you have to ask, sendmail is not for you, period |
| 12:28.16 | Fox_1_ | wols_: :) thank you |
| 12:28.33 | wols_ | Fox_1_: what MTA are you using? |
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| 12:28.46 | abrotman | sendmail is like using a jackhammer to drive a nail in |
| 12:28.58 | Fox_1_ | i have used exim |
| 12:29.01 | derek[] | jackhammer gun? |
| 12:29.09 | wols_ | Fox_1_: then stay with it |
| 12:29.43 | wols_ | abrotman: and the most likely outcome is jackhammering your foot. first the left, than the right and last but not least the head when you bow down to check out the damage |
| 12:29.58 | Fox_1_ | i couldn't understand how to configure it :) |
| 12:30.07 | abrotman | wols_: at least you didn't hit 'middle' |
| 12:30.26 | Charminthemoose | is there any tool that tells you is connected to your wireless? |
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| 12:30.33 | CAiRO | hmm, when i run metacity instead of sawfish in gnome, my workspace switcher suddenly doesn't show a preview of the workspace anymore |
| 12:30.34 | CAiRO | why? |
| 12:30.36 | wols_ | that's one of the main reasons not to use sendmail. it has its place, but then the mail setup is so big and convoluted that you have a full time mail admin for it |
| 12:30.37 | nightfly | hi all |
| 12:30.40 | nightfly | !usb-storage |
| 12:30.41 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 12:31.30 | Fox_1_ | wols_: after all, i need to install web mail, too. |
| 12:31.45 | wols_ | that's easy. squirrelmail |
| 12:31.46 | Eskas | I'm trying to mount my ntfs and fat32 partitions, and I'm soon going crazy. Been trying diffrent settings in 2 days now. I get things to work i have to use users,uid={myuid} in fstab. Why isn't just users working. I want more users than me to be able to mount these partitions. |
| 12:31.53 | Cheef-Daniel | how is the command for finding the backups of the superblock? |
| 12:31.57 | wols_ | or any of the other various packages |
| 12:32.14 | Fox_1_ | so, what webmail application it better to use? |
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| 12:32.24 | abrotman | we can't answer that for you |
| 12:32.27 | abrotman | try a few |
| 12:32.44 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 12:32.44 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 12:33.02 | Fox_1_ | wols_: can squirrelmail work with sendmail and procmail?? |
| 12:33.14 | ma3x | abrotman, is that dangerous? |
| 12:33.28 | wols_ | why do you ask about sendmail in the first place? |
| 12:33.34 | wols_ | and it has nothing to do with procmail |
| 12:34.02 | abrotman | ma3x: is what dangerous ? |
| 12:34.03 | Fox_1_ | wols_: ok, does squirrelmail work with maildir? |
| 12:34.09 | abrotman | prolly |
| 12:34.25 | wols_ | Fox_1_: it has nothing to do with maildir either. maybe you should check what squirrelmail is beforehand? |
| 12:34.33 | wols_ | or maybe read some more howtos about mail. you need them |
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| 12:36.44 | Eskas | dpkg, why should I use vfat when mounting ntfs? |
| 12:37.11 | abrotman | Eskas: you asked about fat32 |
| 12:37.23 | Fox_1_ | procmail received mails from MTA's and store them in to maildir. sendmail send mail's. squirrelmail get's user mails and show them in web interface(as i understand from maildir) and also can send mails by sendmail. am i right? if no please say in which place. thanks. |
| 12:37.42 | abrotman | i'm not sure why you need procmail at all |
| 12:38.27 | CAiRO | when i run metacity instead of sawfish in gnome, my workspace switcher suddenly doesn't show a preview of the workspace anymore |
| 12:38.32 | CAiRO | what can be the reason for that? |
| 12:38.42 | wols_ | Fox_1_: you are wrong. your MTA sends mails |
| 12:38.57 | abrotman | Fox_1_: if you use an smtp server that understands maildir (like postfix) .. why do you need procmail at all ? |
| 12:39.00 | Eskas | abrotman, yes and ntfs. the problem isn't to get things to mount. I can to that by using users,uid=myuid. the problem is that this isn't generic at all. so I wonder why just users or maybe users,gid=mygid isn't working. |
| 12:39.05 | wols_ | Fox_1_: and you#re totally missing mail storage. get a imap server |
| 12:39.40 | abrotman | wols_: this could be a painful day :) |
| 12:39.40 | wols_ | and as abrotman said: both exima nd postfix can deliver straight to maildir. procmail is only needed for filtering, e.g. sometimes spamfiltering or whatever |
| 12:39.46 | ma3x | abrotman, writing to fat |
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| 12:39.53 | abrotman | ma3x: no |
| 12:39.53 | wols_ | as for the imap server: use courier or dovecot. |
| 12:39.59 | wols_ | abrotman: hey, it's weekend.. |
| 12:40.07 | abrotman | cyrus for some wacky shared folder madness! |
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| 12:40.32 | wols_ | abrotman: do not tell people new to mail to use cyrus. please have mercy |
| 12:40.33 | abrotman | Eskas: why isn't it generic ? if you put that line int he fstab .. shouldn't matter |
| 12:40.44 | wols_ | abrotman: and smth?-auth is off limits too, just to be clear |
| 12:40.47 | abrotman | wols_: he's already using sendmail and procmail .. |
| 12:40.56 | abrotman | ldap-auth ? :) |
| 12:41.01 | Fox_1_ | wols_: imap for webmail? |
| 12:41.05 | wols_ | smtp?-auth, type |
| 12:41.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:41.08 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 12:41.09 | wols_ | Fox_1_: yes |
| 12:41.19 | Fox_1_ | only for that |
| 12:41.20 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 12:41.28 | wols_ | abrotman: cause with auth we go into the realm of sasl :) |
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| 12:41.43 | wols_ | Fox_1_: no, just becaus imap spanks pop3 every day. twice |
| 12:42.06 | abrotman | and if you're using maildir anyways ... |
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| 12:42.32 | wols_ | Fox_1_: pop3 with maildir is totally nonsensical |
| 12:42.42 | abrotman | i said that! |
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| 12:42.51 | abrotman | pop3 is nonsensical :) |
| 12:42.54 | abrotman | so is mbox |
| 12:43.11 | wols_ | you only said "...". mewbies need to get it spelled out :) |
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| 12:43.21 | Fox_1_ | and which program is receive mails? |
| 12:43.28 | shay | <3 imap & maildir |
| 12:43.32 | wols_ | mbox is just evil. pop3 has at least its place. sorta |
| 12:43.32 | abrotman | unless you totally fucked up and made five inodes on /var/ :) |
| 12:43.40 | abrotman | (assuming you leave the mailspool there) |
| 12:44.07 | wols_ | shay: maildir sucks :P just open a folder with a few tens of thousands of mails... |
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| 12:44.25 | shay | wols_, maildir > mbox |
| 12:44.27 | abrotman | just try to delete one email from the middle of an mbox file |
| 12:44.28 | Charminthemoose | is possible for me to somehow remove everything associated with kde? |
| 12:44.37 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 12:44.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
| 12:44.40 | _Gnea_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.42 | wols_ | shay: sure. but you have to fuck up majorly to be worse than mbox :) |
| 12:44.43 | shay | wols_, answer abrotman :P |
| 12:44.48 | abrotman | _Gnea_: you live! |
| 12:44.52 | wols_ | _Gnea_: your booty? |
| 12:44.59 | derek[] | I have problems with locale :( |
| 12:45.00 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: or be reaaly evil .. and remove libqt* |
| 12:45.01 | _Gnea_ | abrotman: unfortunately |
| 12:45.02 | derek[] | during installation |
| 12:45.07 | wols_ | shay: I didn't say mbox is good |
| 12:45.11 | amee2k | why can't i 'mount -o loop' a CD image from a read-only mounted NFS share? |
| 12:45.13 | _Gnea_ | wols_: who cares? |
| 12:45.14 | abrotman | _Gnea_: i thought you went to live with g4lt |
| 12:45.18 | NineTails | you tell me ;) |
| 12:45.24 | derek[] | perl : warning : Setting locale failed. |
| 12:45.25 | _Gnea_ | abrotman: ... what? |
| 12:45.26 | shay | wols_, then what's a good replacement? |
| 12:45.27 | Fox_1_ | people, as i understand sendmail only send mails |
| 12:45.29 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 12:45.34 | abrotman | !seen g4lt |
| 12:45.34 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 730d 12h 8m 51s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 12:45.34 | shay | wols_, or what's better than maildir? |
| 12:45.38 | derek[] | perl : warning : Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "C.UTF-8" are supported and installed on your system. |
| 12:45.43 | Charminthemoose | abrotman:would i need qt for anything not related to kde? |
| 12:45.47 | derek[] | perl : warning : Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 12:45.51 | alexbodn | bye friends |
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| 12:45.58 | wols_ | shay: I use cyrus. and that has its own special problems. karsten advocated maildir+indexes |
| 12:46.00 | derek[] | locale 'en-IN' not available |
| 12:46.00 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: no, sendmail is an MTA |
| 12:46.10 | Fox_1_ | MTA open it |
| 12:46.10 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: somethings .. but kdelibs is probably a better place to start |
| 12:46.14 | _Gnea_ | !mta |
| 12:46.14 | dpkg | [mta] a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim4, postfix, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 12:46.17 | wols_ | derek[]: that's not a problem, it's a warning. dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 12:46.29 | shay | <3 qmail |
| 12:46.33 | shay | (START THE WAR NOW!) |
| 12:46.38 | derek[] | wols_ hm |
| 12:46.41 | abrotman | i read that as fart |
| 12:46.42 | Fox_1_ | _Gnea_: it's send and receive mails? |
| 12:46.46 | wols_ | Fox_1_: you understood very wrong and I already told you about the sendmail thing |
| 12:46.51 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: yes |
| 12:47.01 | Fox_1_ | it do bath |
| 12:47.05 | Fox_1_ | both |
| 12:47.07 | abrotman | shay: ok .. that's just sick :) |
| 12:47.15 | shay | :D |
| 12:47.22 | shay | well, I admire DJB |
| 12:47.26 | shay | (keep shooting me) |
| 12:47.33 | _Gnea_ | once was good enough |
| 12:47.40 | shay | he's one sick genious |
| 12:47.46 | abrotman | shay: he's a crackpot |
| 12:47.47 | _Gnea_ | i'll get my kicks watching your brain matter ooze out |
| 12:47.49 | h3sp4wn | derek[]: If you are using etch or sid it is dpkg-reconfigure localeconf (which must be installed) |
| 12:47.54 | _Gnea_ | shay: no, not really |
| 12:47.59 | wols_ | shay: ok, using qmail is deluded but tolerable. adrmiring djb just crossed the line |
| 12:48.05 | wols_ | that's simply crazytalk |
| 12:48.23 | wols_ | shay: "sick" is the keyword btw |
| 12:48.24 | abrotman | even when proven wrong .. he still maintains his asshat attitude |
| 12:48.27 | _Gnea_ | djb breaks all sorts of standards |
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| 12:48.55 | Fox_1_ | ok, now, i'll install sendmail for sending and receiving email, imap for webmail and for email client programs, and squirrelmail as webmail(which support imap?) |
| 12:49.01 | Fox_1_ | right |
| 12:49.01 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 12:49.05 | valdyn | Fox_1_: no |
| 12:49.06 | shay | I think people are ICMP echo flooding me now for what I've said |
| 12:49.08 | shay | hehehe |
| 12:49.09 | Fox_1_ | :((((((((( |
| 12:49.10 | wols_ | Fox_1_: good luck |
| 12:49.12 | valdyn | Fox_1_: dont use sendmail |
| 12:49.19 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: you need a good howto |
| 12:49.25 | wols_ | Fox_1_: evreyone in here has told you not to use sendmail, but you still insist. why? |
| 12:49.35 | valdyn | Fox_1_: imap has nothing to do with webmail btw |
| 12:49.41 | Fox_1_ | but why? |
| 12:49.45 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: btw, why do you wantg to use sendmail so bad? why not exim? |
| 12:49.50 | wols_ | Fox_1_: imap is no webmail either. |
| 12:49.50 | abrotman | Fox_1_: if you use sendmail .. we'll get you blacklisted from slashdot! |
| 12:50.14 | dererk | <karsten> wols_: Mind that the installer should handle filesystem stuff for dererk, if he'll bother to read the install manual. |
| 12:50.20 | dererk | karsten, typo ? |
| 12:50.28 | abrotman | reasonable setup .. postfix/courier-imap/horde/imp |
| 12:50.45 | chemaja | sendmail is a freakin' nightmare. you have to COMPILE the configuration file, so effectively you need to learn two things, the m4 language for the source code, and the cf syntax/semantics from the "resolved" (compiled) code |
| 12:50.51 | Fox_1_ | ok, what are you sugest? |
| 12:50.53 | abrotman | dererk: if you're confused .. probably :) |
| 12:50.55 | wols_ | derek[]: that was in repect to you telling us you formatted your linux partition in fat beforehand |
| 12:51.05 | shay | do you people hate me now? |
| 12:51.14 | chemaja | also, try finding good documentation for sendmail without buying a book (or reading the source code) |
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| 12:51.42 | abrotman | shay: is djb naked ? |
| 12:51.43 | wols_ | shay: no. we just consider calling the nice people in the whice uniforms with the padded cells at their place. We doN't hate you really |
| 12:51.52 | dererk | <wols_> derek[]: that was in repect to you telling us you formatted your linux partition in fat beforehand |
| 12:51.58 | dererk | wols_, THAT I DID WHAT??? |
| 12:52.22 | wols_ | 12:00 < derek_> ok, i have winxp installed in the first partition. second partition is fat32 for storage. The third partition is vfat for linux |
| 12:52.24 | Fox_1_ | wols_: what will you suggest? |
| 12:52.27 | derek[] | confusion |
| 12:52.30 | derek[] | wols_: derek[]: that was in repect to you telling us you formatted your linux partition in fat beforehand |
| 12:52.36 | derek[] | was that for me wols_? |
| 12:52.37 | dererk | fuck, I'm not derek |
| 12:52.53 | dererk | what a confusing matter >_< |
| 12:53.02 | abrotman | one of you /nick :) |
| 12:53.04 | derek[] | I'm not dererk |
| 12:53.04 | _Gnea_ | goddamn |
| 12:53.07 | _Gnea_ | change your nicks now |
| 12:53.08 | wols_ | dererk, probably a wrong nick complete |
| 12:53.14 | derek[] | change your nick dererk |
| 12:53.16 | abrotman | i said that!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:53.22 | _Gnea_ | derek[]: you too |
| 12:53.31 | derek[] | mine is reg'd and identified ;p |
| 12:53.36 | wols_ | abrotman: you said nothing. and you should better not speak now either |
| 12:53.42 | dererk | abrotman, I'm "two", so I've priority ;-) |
| 12:53.43 | _Gnea_ | no reg and id a new one |
| 12:53.45 | wols_ | !nickometer derek[] |
| 12:53.46 | dpkg | 'derek[]' is 20.000% lame, wols_ |
| 12:53.58 | derek[] | huh? |
| 12:54.04 | derek[] | !nickometer dererk |
| 12:54.05 | dpkg | 'dererk' is 0.000% lame, derek[] |
| 12:54.07 | abrotman | wols_: when he asked what karsten was talking about .. i said if he didn't know .. it wasn't for him ... suggesting karsten misfired |
| 12:54.11 | derek[] | hm |
| 12:54.14 | abrotman | karsten: you need tolearn to control that! |
| 12:54.18 | _Gnea_ | fuck this shit, i'm putting them both on /ignore |
| 12:54.29 | dererk | abrotman, you were right ;-) |
| 12:54.33 | abrotman | !prize me |
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| 12:54.50 | derek[] | !kick _Gnea_ |
| 12:55.08 | wols_ | derek[]: have fun solving your problems alone now |
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| 12:55.17 | clownish | hi i there a way to change /tmp to an other path? like $user/tmp? |
| 12:55.23 | dererk | abrotman, lol |
| 12:55.26 | derek[] | what did I say to YOU? |
| 12:55.29 | valdyn | clownish: umm? |
| 12:55.30 | _Gnea_ | !troll derek[] |
| 12:55.32 | derek[] | argh |
| 12:55.44 | chemaja | wols_: ps. vmware seems to dislike debian's /usr/src/linux*/include header structure... keeps complaining that linux/version.h is missing. i tried installing linux-source and linux-headers packages and pointing vmware to each, but it just complains and nags that things arent perfect :( |
| 12:55.54 | valdyn | clownish: why? |
| 12:55.55 | wols_ | derek[]: note for the future: it's never good to annoy people you want help from |
| 12:56.05 | chemaja | wols_: not that you care, just filling you in on the aftermath of our little chat earlier today |
| 12:56.05 | derek[] | who did I annoy? |
| 12:56.16 | abrotman | derek[]: please stop .. there was confusion earlier .. _Gnea_ is crying .. and the cat pissed on the carpet .. please drop it |
| 12:56.21 | clownish | valdyn, i want /tmp on my home partizion because my home partizion is crypted, an tmp not |
| 12:56.36 | enouf | nickname gumbo |
| 12:56.39 | valdyn | clownish: /tmp is for every user |
| 12:56.48 | _Gnea_ | chemaja: that's because you need to build a kernel out of that source and boot into it first |
| 12:56.49 | cast | clownish: how about make /tmp on a ram drive |
| 12:57.07 | cast | clownish: /dev/shm /tmp tmpfs size=200000000 0 0 |
| 12:57.09 | Fox_1_ | please answer in my last question |
| 12:57.23 | wols_ | chemaja: for the duration for the vmware compile stuff, make it so that the headers including version.h is under /usr/src/include/linux somewhere. or simply don't use vmware. alternatively the vmware isntallre shit might have an option to tell it where those headers are |
| 12:57.32 | _Gnea_ | abrotman: no seriously, i have him on ignore |
| 12:57.41 | abrotman | _Gnea_: i know :) |
| 12:57.44 | clownish | cast, should i put this in fstab, and thats all? |
| 12:57.58 | abrotman | Fox_1_: you need to read up a bit on what you're trying to do |
| 12:57.59 | _Gnea_ | :D |
| 12:58.03 | chemaja | wols_: perhaps, but i pointed it to the corresponding dir structure and it still complained. oh and vmware is a required legacy tool i need in order to migrate away from XP |
| 12:58.06 | clownish | cast, atm tmp has no own partizion |
| 12:58.45 | cast | clownish: do you understand the concept of a ram disk? |
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| 12:59.06 | wols_ | chemaja: just fyi new linux kernels don't have version.h, they have modversions.h |
| 12:59.07 | clownish | cast, i dont think so :( |
| 12:59.14 | wols_ | chemaja: meaning, VMWare FUCKED UP |
| 12:59.19 | Fox_1_ | i want to have mail server with webmail access, by the way for 4 host's |
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| 12:59.36 | wols_ | abrotman: that mail thing gets better and better |
| 12:59.38 | chemaja | wols_: probably. i'm not blaming debian. |
| 12:59.52 | abrotman | wols_: i know .. but it's been going on for .. months :) |
| 13:00.06 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: you should try horde |
| 13:00.06 | CodeBook | does anyone who runs vmware-server 1.0.1 on debian etch (or maybe sid?) have managed to resolve the libdbus* and libpng* problems? |
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| 13:00.15 | abrotman | _Gnea_: and imp ... |
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| 13:00.37 | Fox_1_ | from where horde gets mails? |
| 13:00.39 | cast | CodeBook: vmware-server latest on sarge |
| 13:00.58 | wols_ | Fox_1_: from the intartubenet |
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| 13:00.58 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: do you know how to read? |
| 13:01.06 | CodeBook | bummer, i need a solution for etch |
| 13:01.08 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 13:01.10 | wols_ | Fox_1_: have you ever googled for a howto for what you want to do? |
| 13:01.11 | wols_ | evre? |
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| 13:01.25 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: and do you know how to use google? |
| 13:01.25 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 13:01.34 | cast | clownish: do you have encrypted swap? |
| 13:01.44 | valdyn | !squirrelmail |
| 13:01.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, squirrelmail is at http://www.squirrelmail.org, or a very nice webmail application, written in PHP |
| 13:01.48 | abrotman | Fox_1_: go to horde.org ... read lots of stuff |
| 13:01.58 | chemaja | i suppose there is zero chance of using boot.iso to grab from updates is there |
| 13:01.58 | Fox_1_ | but i didn't know which is better |
| 13:01.58 | wols_ | _Gnea_: just imagine if he actually sets up a mail server? another spam haven. the intarweb will be dooooooomed! |
| 13:02.15 | _Gnea_ | wols_: it isn't already doomed? |
| 13:02.21 | wols_ | chemaja: from what updates? |
| 13:02.28 | chemaja | wols_: sorry wrong chan |
| 13:02.28 | clownish | cast, no |
| 13:02.44 | wols_ | _Gnea_: jury's still out, but his mailserver: the tipping point |
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| 13:02.46 | clownish | cast, just the home partizion is encrypted |
| 13:02.56 | _Gnea_ | wols_: heh |
| 13:03.08 | Fox_1_ | ... provides webmail access to any IMAP or POP3 mailbox ... i have ask about this |
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| 13:03.41 | wols_ | Fox_1_: and you've been given at least 2 choices for this in here the last half hour. sevreal times for each |
| 13:03.59 | wols_ | Fox_1_: but since you obviously can't read, what good will it do to repeat it for you? |
| 13:04.05 | cast | clownish: partition is how it's spelled, and you have to take into /tmp [which you already know], swap and locatedb, and whatever else that will interfer with your object |
| 13:04.12 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: at this point, you'll need to hit up the webpage there for squirrelmail and read the documentation |
| 13:04.16 | cast | take into account* sorry |
| 13:04.58 | wols_ | _Gnea_: he doesn't have a mailserver yet. and I didn't even mention the mutliplr domain thing... Or the most probable virtual user one |
| 13:05.08 | Fox_1_ | is there any demo page for dimp? |
| 13:05.22 | abrotman | check horde.org |
| 13:05.29 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: what does google say? |
| 13:05.34 | valdyn | !fgi Fox_1 dimp |
| 13:05.34 | dpkg | Fox_1: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=dimp |
| 13:06.20 | clownish | cast, sorry i dont understand. what should i do? |
| 13:06.27 | chemaja | abrotman: yea i think i've seen him in #ubuntu |
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| 13:06.47 | abrotman | chemaja: greycat ? |
| 13:07.00 | stew | #bash? |
| 13:07.00 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 13:07.01 | wols_ | wtf? in #ubuntu? |
| 13:07.08 | chemaja | i think so. |
| 13:07.09 | abrotman | he'd go ballistic in there |
| 13:07.12 | stew | heh |
| 13:07.16 | abrotman | bull .. chinashop |
| 13:07.17 | chemaja | grain of salt, but i'm pretty sure |
| 13:07.26 | wols_ | chemaja: even I was banned in there. greycat wouldn't last 4 seconds |
| 13:07.27 | chemaja | this was months and months ago |
| 13:07.35 | chemaja | maybe i'm thinking of some other grey cat |
| 13:07.35 | cast | clownish: how much memory do you have? if you have enough it's probably easiest to just turn off swap and put that /dev/shm line in fstab, tweaking the size though. you probably don't need 200MB of /tmp most of the time |
| 13:07.36 | chemaja | ;) |
| 13:07.55 | wols_ | in the night of irc, all cats are grey I guess |
| 13:07.59 | chemaja | lol |
| 13:08.00 | abrotman | chemaja: really doubt it .. but he does wander channels .. maybe yelling at some maintainer for introducing some non-bashism :) |
| 13:08.06 | chemaja | probably |
| 13:08.10 | clownish | cast, i have 1 Gig ram |
| 13:08.16 | chemaja | he's an old timer isn't he |
| 13:08.24 | chemaja | i recall him helping me back in like 2001/2002 |
| 13:08.24 | cast | clownish: and what do you use for /home encryption? cryptoloop? loop-aes? dm-crypt? |
| 13:08.30 | abrotman | chemaja: yeah |
| 13:08.32 | chemaja | or maybe i'm just smoking crack |
| 13:08.50 | chemaja | this was back when i fiiirst started with debian, with woody. |
| 13:08.53 | wols_ | chemaja: could it be that vmware only works in kernel 2.4 btw? |
| 13:08.56 | chemaja | i do hope my chronology is correct! |
| 13:08.59 | clownish | cast, truecrypt |
| 13:09.02 | cast | clownish: same as me. :). i think you'll be able to get by with no swap |
| 13:09.07 | simonrvn | chemaja: that's right |
| 13:09.19 | Fox_1_ | DIMP is not ready yet |
| 13:09.24 | stoned | sup simon |
| 13:09.27 | simonrvn | having even a bit of swap is good |
| 13:09.31 | simonrvn | the sky |
| 13:09.32 | chemaja | wols_: not sure, can't test till monday tho |
| 13:09.40 | stoned | lets try again |
| 13:09.42 | chemaja | wols_: (im at home now, it's at work) |
| 13:09.43 | stoned | simonrvn, how are you doing? |
| 13:09.49 | simonrvn | the sky |
| 13:09.49 | cast | wols_: it does? i'm running it on 2.6 with 2.6 running inside it |
| 13:09.53 | stoned | lol |
| 13:09.56 | simonrvn | stoned: heheh |
| 13:10.07 | stoned | tool |
| 13:10.12 | stoned | I have 100mb swap |
| 13:10.13 | stoned | I think |
| 13:10.15 | stoned | let me check |
| 13:10.19 | rvalles | updated my unstable box |
| 13:10.22 | clownish | cast, nice, how can i delete my swap? |
| 13:10.24 | rvalles | and its apache doesn't work anymore |
| 13:10.25 | wols_ | cast: it requested version.h from chemaja when installing |
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| 13:10.49 | wols_ | rvalles: then maybe you should check BTS more carefully? |
| 13:10.53 | rvalles | /etc/init.d/apache2 start fails without an error, it just doesn't start apache and returns quickly |
| 13:11.08 | rvalles | !tellme BTS |
| 13:11.20 | stoned | yup, 512 mb swap |
| 13:11.24 | rvalles | 15:10:55 [freenode] [dpkg(n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] No, rvalles, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 13:11.30 | chemaja | wols_: it works in ubuntu dapper.. i'd compare systems but i blew dapper to high hell in a frenzy of irritation |
| 13:11.30 | simonrvn | "tell me about bts, or '/msg dpkg tell me about bts |
| 13:11.32 | simonrvn | ' |
| 13:11.44 | simonrvn | rvalles: we prefer the 2nd one |
| 13:11.50 | chemaja | wols_: ie. it works on 2.6 for me too |
| 13:11.54 | cast | clownish: use swapoff to turn it off, and comment out the line in fstab |
| 13:12.01 | wols_ | dtrange |
| 13:12.03 | abrotman | rvalles: /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:12.06 | wols_ | s/d/s |
| 13:12.08 | stoned | ubuntu caters to ubuntards, debian caters to the serious linux guys |
| 13:12.10 | stoned | imo |
| 13:12.18 | stoned | debian is the shiznat |
| 13:12.21 | cast | stoned: gnu/linux guys :) |
| 13:12.24 | wols_ | zealots stoned, zealots |
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| 13:12.38 | stoned | no, this comes from personal exp. |
| 13:12.49 | rvalles | thank you |
| 13:12.50 | simonrvn | *shrug*, ubuntu does what it does nicely |
| 13:12.58 | simonrvn | same for debian |
| 13:12.58 | clownish | cast, okay... and you think size=200000000 is enough? |
| 13:13.21 | chemaja | simonrvn: true. |
| 13:13.22 | itchi | When i try to upgrade the system i get the follow error: E: The package jedit needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. How can i remove this error? If i try to reinstall that package he fail, so reinstalling like he tell will not solve the problem. |
| 13:13.29 | WifiBrain | I'll think about it |
| 13:13.29 | bizinichi | out of interest |
| 13:13.35 | cast | clownish: should be fine. can always change it later. |
| 13:13.35 | chemaja | simonrvn: but i prefer fedora to ubuntu any day |
| 13:13.46 | wols_ | itchi what branch? |
| 13:13.57 | simonrvn | fedora irritated me more than ydl |
| 13:14.06 | simonrvn | and ydl is a pain |
| 13:14.09 | chemaja | simonrvn: never ran ydl, never had a ppc |
| 13:14.13 | stoned | my favorite linux ever is debian |
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| 13:14.18 | SkramX | Hi all |
| 13:14.21 | chemaja | stoned: i'd have to agree. |
| 13:14.25 | itchi | wols_: It's on my Etch box, but that package is not in the repo |
| 13:14.34 | SkramX | Does debian come with Gnome? |
| 13:14.47 | stoned | note: I did not say "the best" as that is a relative term, but favorite, yes |
| 13:14.48 | simonrvn | you can install of course |
| 13:14.52 | blondie | SkramX: if you ask for it |
| 13:14.54 | stoned | !install gnome |
| 13:14.54 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 13:14.59 | faked | today I discovered dsp has moved from /dev to /dev/.static/dev, whats wrong? |
| 13:15.03 | SkramX | I am a gentoo'er but looking for a better distro for my laptop... debian sounds like it is somewhat east to install, etc. |
| 13:15.07 | SkramX | Right |
| 13:15.07 | clownish | cast, okay, thank you very much! |
| 13:15.10 | SkramX | I guess Ill go download the ISO |
| 13:15.12 | tralala | SkramX: debian comes with almost everything you can imagine. |
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| 13:15.19 | SkramX | Yuck. |
| 13:15.25 | itchi | wols_: I have try to install jedit of the downloaded debian binary of the official website of jedit. But i no more want it, like it have some troubles. Just want to remove it completely and no more need that jedit |
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| 13:15.37 | SkramX | If I get the minimal CD, can't I just select the packages I want at setup? |
| 13:15.39 | wols_ | SkramX: install the netinst and go from there. you don't want to download all 14 CDs, do you? |
| 13:15.41 | stoned | SkramX, rephrase, it comes with what you want it to come with. You can install whatever as well. |
| 13:15.42 | SkramX | s/setup/install |
| 13:15.45 | cast | clownish: dunno how good truecrypt is under linux btw, dm-crypt/LUKS is where i'd put my money, or secrets :x |
| 13:15.47 | SkramX | right |
| 13:15.50 | SkramX | ill get the netinst |
| 13:15.51 | _Gnea_ | shay: even with a full cd, you can still select |
| 13:15.53 | stoned | SkramX, read sections 3, 4, 5 of the debian install guide |
| 13:15.55 | _Gnea_ | er |
| 13:15.56 | stoned | !install guide |
| 13:15.56 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
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| 13:15.59 | SkramX | okay :) |
| 13:16.01 | SkramX | Thanks |
| 13:16.05 | stoned | yw |
| 13:16.06 | _Gnea_ | KramX: even with a full cd, you can still select |
| 13:16.11 | _Gnea_ | damnit |
| 13:16.21 | _Gnea_ | stoned: hey |
| 13:16.23 | SkramX | :) |
| 13:16.26 | stoned | yo |
| 13:16.27 | Fox_1_ | which imap server is better? |
| 13:16.27 | wols_ | itchi: then why can't you remove it with dpkg -r --purge? |
| 13:16.29 | stoned | sup my nigg |
| 13:16.32 | stoned | long time no see |
| 13:16.43 | _Gnea_ | chillin' in the new pad, you? |
| 13:16.45 | stoned | whats with the wings Gnea? _Gnea_ |
| 13:16.52 | _Gnea_ | heh |
| 13:16.53 | _Gnea_ | uh |
| 13:16.54 | SkramX | 10 minutes for minimal cd to download |
| 13:16.56 | SkramX | :) |
| 13:16.59 | _Gnea_ | felt like it? :P |
| 13:17.02 | SkramX | three days for all 14 cds.. haha |
| 13:17.02 | stoned | word |
| 13:17.17 | itchi | wols_: He tell me then dpkg: conflicting actions -P (--purge) and -r (--remove) |
| 13:17.58 | wols_ | SkramX: debian, like gentoo, is a "online distro" |
| 13:17.59 | SkramX | right |
| 13:17.59 | clownish | cast, mhh dm-crypt does use aes too i think... an can not handle hidden patitions |
| 13:17.59 | wols_ | itchi: then only purge |
| 13:17.59 | Fox_1_ | uw-imapd, cyrus-imapd or courier-imap or ... |
| 13:17.59 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 13:17.59 | SkramX | just doesn't go compile crazy by default :) |
| 13:17.59 | itchi | wols_: If i try with one only, he say: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove jedit_4.3pre6_all which isn't installed. |
| 13:17.59 | abrotman | Fox_1_: PICK ONE ON YOUR OWN |
| 13:17.59 | Charminthemoose | have i messed up my debian install? http://pastebin.ca/194014 |
| 13:17.59 | wols_ | Fox_1_: you were told above. learn to read |
| 13:17.59 | SkramX | for some reason, ubuntu 6.X wouldnt even boot the installer on my laptop |
| 13:17.59 | _Gnea_ | SkramX: exactly |
| 13:18.12 | Fox_1_ | abrotman: which one is easy to configure? |
| 13:18.13 | wols_ | abrotman: you know what you just did, don't you? |
| 13:18.18 | Fox_1_ | and use? |
| 13:18.23 | abrotman | wols_: i greycat'ed |
| 13:18.26 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: do you have debian installed? |
| 13:18.28 | wols_ | SkramX: acpi. what laptop is it? |
| 13:18.31 | stoned | haha |
| 13:18.40 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 13:18.42 | SkramX | Acer Aspire 3003LCI |
| 13:18.44 | jair | hey guys, it is already out there an installer for etch? |
| 13:18.48 | wols_ | Fox_1_: for what you want: none |
| 13:18.51 | abrotman | jair: yes |
| 13:18.55 | _Gnea_ | jair: yup |
| 13:19.01 | Fox_1_ | wols_: why? |
| 13:19.03 | wols_ | SkramX: that's nice. but I want hardware´names, not marketing names |
| 13:19.21 | SkramX | :) |
| 13:19.21 | faked | today I discovered dsp has moved from /dev to /dev/.static/dev, whats wrong? |
| 13:19.22 | wols_ | Fox_1_: cause it's not easy to configure in a multi host setup like you want. none is |
| 13:19.28 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: pick one and go with it. this isn't windows, nothing is easy, you have to figure things out. |
| 13:19.28 | abrotman | faked: you started using alsa ? |
| 13:19.36 | wols_ | Fox_1_: so stop asking us and look for howtos or you never have a mailserver |
| 13:19.55 | cast | clownish: my personal opinion of hidden partitions is that their effectiveness is sketchy at best. it's very difficult to hide large amounts of data, that field is a somewhat tricky one |
| 13:20.08 | faked | abrotman, there are no alsa-packages installed, should they? |
| 13:20.19 | itchi | wols_: I not realy understand that on one place he tell me that it's installed and on the otherway it's not |
| 13:20.23 | simonrvn | abrotman, faked: that's udev |
| 13:20.29 | abrotman | faked: uname -a |
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| 13:20.45 | abrotman | simonrvn: i figured he went form a 2.4 to 2.6 .. and got udev at the same time .. thereby losing his OSS and his dps |
| 13:20.47 | abrotman | dsp |
| 13:20.56 | wols_ | itchi: no it has it installed in a way. but to make it work properly it needs to be reinstalled and that fials. so does pruging it work? if not: why not? |
| 13:21.01 | faked | abrotman, 2.6.18-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Sep 29 16:25:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:21.07 | jair | abrotman: it is a guide somewhere on debian.org or somewhere where tell you the differences and tips to follow for a correct and better installation? |
| 13:21.13 | abrotman | faked: did you just install udev? or that kernel ? |
| 13:21.25 | abrotman | jair: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:21.36 | itchi | wols_: purging? |
| 13:21.42 | jair | _Gnea_: I has been with sarge since become stable, now I will try to start checking the news of the etch.. |
| 13:21.45 | wols_ | dpkg --purge |
| 13:21.51 | jair | abrotman: thank you |
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| 13:21.57 | itchi | wols_: Okay, just an typo ;-) |
| 13:22.00 | faked | abrotman, 2days ago I installed a new debian-sid via debootstrap |
| 13:22.11 | stoned | I sold a huge blade server yesterday, 2 xeon 3.8 procs, 1.5TB, with suse |
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| 13:22.24 | stoned | we have suse, redhat I think too, corporate versions |
| 13:22.25 | abrotman | faked: grep udev /var/log/dpkg.log .. what's the last date ? |
| 13:22.26 | wols_ | stoned: and for things like this, you will go to hell :) |
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| 13:22.30 | stoned | lol |
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| 13:22.44 | itchi | wols_: I get the error: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove jedit_4.3pre6_all which isn't installed. Can i look on another place for an error? |
| 13:22.45 | abrotman | stoned: how is that.. huge ? |
| 13:22.48 | stoned | thats what the IT guy mentioned |
| 13:22.48 | faked | abrotman, the problem now is, I do not have permissons to /dev/.static as user (drwx------ 3 root root 60 2006-10-07 14:50 /dev/.static/), so I can´t use dsp from vmware |
| 13:22.55 | abrotman | faked: and you shouldn't |
| 13:22.57 | stoned | abrotman, HUGE san backup |
| 13:23.05 | faked | abrotman, 2006-10-05 18:18:34 status installed udev 0.100-2 |
| 13:23.06 | wols_ | itchi: dpkg -l jedit |
| 13:23.09 | wols_ | what does it say? |
| 13:23.10 | stoned | two scsi controllers and connected to a huge backup system |
| 13:23.20 | clownish | cast, maybe you are right. i just found a goof howto in my language for truecrypt, thats why i use it;). I dont realy know if its better or worser. |
| 13:23.24 | stoned | I biuld the server, the server tech built the storage |
| 13:23.25 | itchi | wols_: No packages found |
| 13:23.38 | stoned | sold 10 of them |
| 13:23.40 | wols_ | itchi: dpkg -l |grep jedit then |
| 13:23.40 | jair | I am checking the installation options and I wonder if I can install etch using the network, usb, or nfs or ftp directly? |
| 13:23.43 | stoned | good commission |
| 13:23.48 | faked | abrotman, I should not have perrmission to /dev/.static? but how can I use dsp with vmware? |
| 13:23.51 | abrotman | faked: lsmod | grep snd .. see anything good ? |
| 13:23.52 | SkramX | sorry, my net went out |
| 13:23.54 | cast | clownish: oh, and what language is that? |
| 13:24.01 | stoned | hmm |
| 13:24.07 | itchi | wols_: iHR jedit 04.03.06.00 |
| 13:24.08 | stoned | is everyone working too damn hard? |
| 13:24.13 | clownish | cast, german |
| 13:24.13 | wols_ | !tell jair about sarge->etch |
| 13:24.21 | abrotman | stoned: to pick on you for selling dell crap? |
| 13:24.24 | stoned | sid bugs have been less and less the more I update, at least for the packages I use most |
| 13:24.26 | Charminthemoose | have i messed up my debian install? http://pastebin.ca/194014 |
| 13:24.31 | faked | abrotman, lsmod |grep snd is ok, in kde sound works, but with vmware not |
| 13:24.43 | stoned | abrotman, shhh |
| 13:24.44 | abrotman | is snd_pcm_oss loaded ? |
| 13:24.59 | cast | clownish: hmmm. nice :) |
| 13:25.11 | faked | abrotman, yes, snd_pcm_oss is loaded |
| 13:25.21 | faked | abrotman, snd_pcm_oss 38368 0 |
| 13:25.37 | faked | abrotman, snd_mixer_oss 15200 1 snd_pcm_oss ... |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | and snd_pcm ? |
| 13:25.53 | faked | abrotman, snd_pcm 68676 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec |
| 13:25.57 | abrotman | why is alsa such a pain in the ass |
| 13:26.05 | abrotman | faked: then afaik .. /dev/dsp should exist |
| 13:26.28 | tralala | is alsamixer working? |
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| 13:26.36 | faked | abrotman, no, thereÅ› no /dev/dsp, only /dev/.static/dev/dsp |
| 13:26.42 | itchi | wols_: So the status (iHR) mean: Installed, Hold, Reinst-required? |
| 13:26.51 | abrotman | faked: we know .. /dev/ is now populated by udev fuckery |
| 13:27.04 | abrotman | it's actually black magic .. i blame jimmy page |
| 13:27.10 | wols_ | itchi: probably |
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| 13:27.21 | wols_ | itchi: where did you install it from? |
| 13:27.21 | tralala | I use udev and alsa and my /dev/dsp is fine |
| 13:27.28 | abrotman | tralala: yeah .. so's mine |
| 13:27.41 | faked | abrotman, alsamixer is working |
| 13:27.44 | enouf | abrotman: hey! ..atleast blame alastair crowley |
| 13:27.48 | itchi | wols_: From the official website of jedit http://www.jedit.org/ |
| 13:28.01 | wols_ | itchi: as a deb? |
| 13:28.06 | itchi | wols_: Yes |
| 13:28.09 | SkramX | burning minimal cd |
| 13:28.10 | abrotman | enouf: why? i want to blame jimmy page |
| 13:28.13 | SkramX | i gotta go though |
| 13:28.13 | SkramX | peace |
| 13:28.14 | faked | abrotman, do I have to install some alsa-stuff? |
| 13:28.15 | tralala | faked: how's your /dev mounted? Do you use initrd image? |
| 13:28.22 | wols_ | itchi: get the file again and reinstall. and let it be a warnign about debs from strange palces |
| 13:28.23 | enouf | abrotman: leave my Zep outta this! |
| 13:28.25 | wols_ | *places |
| 13:28.42 | itchi | wols_: Readed an Python article of the Python site where these tolded that it's an nice tool. Wanted to try it like there is an deb |
| 13:28.44 | faked | tralala, yes, I use a initrd-image |
| 13:29.02 | enouf | Charminthemoose: why do you want to install x11-common? |
| 13:29.09 | tralala | faked: that's only half of the answers I expected |
| 13:29.22 | itchi | wols_: Okay, gona do that ;-) Thanks for the support man ;-) You got beer ;-) |
| 13:29.35 | abrotman | tralala: he's using a debian kernel |
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| 13:29.38 | faked | tralala, I use standard 2.6.18 linux-image |
| 13:29.42 | abrotman | wols_: arne't you german? |
| 13:29.46 | tralala | !pal wols_ |
| 13:29.49 | tralala | ;) |
| 13:29.49 | abrotman | wols_: isn't that like .. a law? |
| 13:29.51 | itchi | wols_: Me too, want coffee?? :-p |
| 13:29.52 | wols_ | itchi: try it first. dunno if it'll work |
| 13:29.54 | faked | tralala, dev is mounted by udev, isn´t it? |
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| 13:29.57 | stoned | abrotman, my last bi-weekly paycheck was 1400$ |
| 13:30.04 | abrotman | stoned: is that it ? |
| 13:30.06 | stoned | yesterday actually :) |
| 13:30.18 | stoned | thats base pay, no commissions and bonuses counted yet |
| 13:30.20 | wols_ | abrotman: I am, but beer stinks. can't even stand the smell of it. and: anything below 10% vol is not suitable for drinking |
| 13:30.27 | wols_ | it's just a waste of time |
| 13:30.28 | abrotman | stoned: you're willing to be paid that much to subject people to that crap ? |
| 13:30.33 | stoned | yes |
| 13:30.38 | stoned | I am |
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| 13:30.44 | abrotman | wols_: they make beer with >10% ABV |
| 13:30.47 | Fox_1_ | is this good choise - exim, uw-imapd and imp? |
| 13:30.48 | tralala | faked: I'd like to see the output of mount | grep /dev |
| 13:30.53 | abrotman | Fox_1_: you tell us |
| 13:31.03 | wols_ | abrotman: it still tastes like crap |
| 13:31.05 | abrotman | i suggsted something quite a while ago |
| 13:31.15 | rvalles | no luck with bug database |
| 13:31.16 | abrotman | wols_: i'm not a big fan of some of them either :) |
| 13:31.21 | faked | tralala, udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755 |
| 13:31.22 | Fox_1_ | if i ask, so i think yes, and i want to know what you think about that |
| 13:31.30 | stoned | abrotman, its not like I'm going out to people and making them buy. I'm not making the people pick up thier phone, call in, and order 10 poweredge servers |
| 13:31.35 | abrotman | Fox_1_: i think you should ask your admin |
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| 13:31.37 | faked | tralala, devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 13:31.41 | stoned | abrotman, I get paid to DO my job, not LIKE it |
| 13:31.43 | stoned | :/ |
| 13:31.46 | rvalles | and after upgrading my unstable, apache doesn't work anymore. /etc/init.d/apache2 start shows no error, but apache does never start. Logs are clean. |
| 13:31.50 | wols_ | Fox_1_: we told you a LOOONG time ago what we'd suggest you use. you ignored it several times, so why do you expect we care? |
| 13:31.55 | abrotman | stoned: i must apologize .. when i buy servers .. it won't be from you :) |
| 13:32.05 | derek[] | After installation, during Debian Configuration, it is asking for Apt configuration - Archive access method for apt: ..what should I select here? |
| 13:32.06 | itchi | wols_: Just discovered the #jedit |
| 13:32.11 | stoned | abrotman, that is perfectly ok |
| 13:32.15 | tralala | faked: do you have udevd running? |
| 13:32.17 | derek[] | I don't understand its purpose |
| 13:32.17 | abrotman | derek[]: probbaly http |
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| 13:32.33 | wols_ | derek[]: http or ftp |
| 13:32.38 | jair | so, up today, the etch is still a testing distribution correct? and will not become stable until all the bugs and other limitations are taken care of correct? (I am trying to studying bash to help) so it is a good reason beside testing and help with the collaboration to use etch? |
| 13:32.46 | wols_ | derek[]: where you get your deb packages |
| 13:32.49 | Fox_1_ | wols_: sorry, but don't remember what you suggest |
| 13:32.51 | jair | I have most of my environment in "production" |
| 13:32.52 | stoned | is nfs slow by nature? |
| 13:32.58 | derek[] | wols_: ok |
| 13:32.59 | faked | tralala, udev is installed, so it should be running (hopefully :) ) |
| 13:33.17 | jair | so I will need to get one of the desktop machines and install etch see what comes with it :) |
| 13:33.20 | tralala | faked: ps -C udevd |
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| 13:34.01 | faked | tralala, I just reinstalled it, output from ps -C udev is :13811 ? 00:00:00 udevd |
| 13:34.14 | Fox_1_ | can you say it again |
| 13:34.36 | jair | wols_: thanks you but I prefer to do a full clean installation :) |
| 13:34.44 | dman | is a low memory installer for sarge available?? ive for 32m of ram, i cant get it to work using the netinst iso |
| 13:34.49 | wols_ | jair: that's not how debian works :) |
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| 13:35.00 | wols_ | you install once. and preventing dieing harddisks, never again :) |
| 13:35.09 | tralala | faked: still no /dev/dsp? |
| 13:35.11 | derek[] | After Apt Configuration, it starts connecting to the internet for the packages. I haven't set up the internet connection yet. It keeps cycling the questions again and again. |
| 13:35.26 | Fox_1_ | :? |
| 13:35.35 | faked | tralala, still missing, also /dev/dvb is missing |
| 13:35.43 | wols_ | derek[]: how will you connect to the internet? |
| 13:36.01 | tralala | faked: try to reload the snd_oss_pcm module |
| 13:36.01 | wols_ | derek[]: thn don't select anything and move on |
| 13:36.07 | derek[] | wols_: wireless dialup (GPRS+bluetooth) |
| 13:36.27 | wols_ | derek[]: eeeeek! |
| 13:36.30 | derek[] | which will take time to set up properly and get working --; |
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| 13:36.37 | Fox_1_ | wols_: please say it again |
| 13:36.37 | liable | bugger, accidently restarted x and somewhere in the last couple of weeks, xorg has has borkage thats broke xgl for me |
| 13:36.43 | faked | tralala, ahh, no I have /dev/dsp |
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| 13:37.01 | tralala | faked: problem solved |
| 13:37.06 | faked | tralala, interesting, now /dev/dvb is here too |
| 13:37.08 | poer | I want to change my /home to another partition on my HDD, how would I go about doing that? |
| 13:37.14 | jair | wols_: it is a installer there?? |
| 13:37.22 | tralala | faked: you didn't have udevd running most likely |
| 13:37.24 | faked | tralala, hmm.. I hope they are still here after reboot :) |
| 13:37.28 | wols_ | jair: huh? |
| 13:37.29 | liable | poer: in fstab |
| 13:37.34 | Fox_1_ | wols_: ?? |
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| 13:37.43 | faked | tralala, maybe |
| 13:37.44 | jair | wols_: what do you mean?? the installer should give me the choices and right servers to connect and download etch packages. |
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| 13:37.55 | jair | wols_: if I do linux clean installation |
| 13:38.08 | wols_ | jair: get a etch installer |
| 13:38.08 | faked | tralala, thank you very much for your support |
| 13:38.24 | tralala | faked: you're welcome |
| 13:38.39 | faked | tralala, I will risk a reboot, cu |
| 13:38.48 | tralala | faked: good luck |
| 13:38.51 | wols_ | jair: and the servers to use are most likely the same ones you use right now |
| 13:38.56 | faked | tralala, thank you |
| 13:39.06 | Fox_1_ | THANKS A LOT. BYE |
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| 13:39.28 | abrotman | do you think that's the last we'll see of him ? |
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| 13:40.04 | wols_ | abrotman: one can always hope |
| 13:40.18 | jair | Very nice article, we can count with the Lenovo (IBM) new laptop with dual core pro :) http://www.hardwareinreview.com/cms/content/view/49 |
| 13:40.23 | poer | liable, just edit a text file and reboot? that's it? |
| 13:40.34 | tralala | abrotman: you can't lose anything by dreaming ;) |
| 13:40.39 | liable | poer: just remount, no need to reboot |
| 13:40.54 | wols_ | poer: copying your currentl /home to that new partition helps |
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| 13:40.57 | poer | what about file permissions and such... |
| 13:41.04 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm running Xinerama (DualHead) on my laptop with an ATI video card. Unfortunately the computer freezes completely once or twice a day - usually when I'm using YouTube for some reason (maybe a Flash bug?!) - anyways, I thought I could have something to do with my xorg.conf configuration. Can someone tell me if I need different BusIDs in the two Device sections? (BUSID "PCI:1:0:0") ? |
| 13:41.04 | abrotman | tralala: time |
| 13:41.05 | liable | poer: you of course will want to copy all your stuffs over.. |
| 13:41.12 | jair | wols_: so what you mean is, when I do the installation what will change on the servers is the part that says: "sarge" or "stable" to test or etc? |
| 13:41.17 | jair | etch |
| 13:41.25 | poer | right, of course. will new users be set up on that partition still? |
| 13:41.32 | wols_ | jair: no. the packages will change too. etch has newer ones |
| 13:41.40 | jair | nice |
| 13:41.42 | tralala | abrotman: got me |
| 13:41.44 | jair | that is what I heard |
| 13:41.52 | wols_ | and in your sources.list, that's pretty much all that will be changing |
| 13:41.53 | liable | poer: new users will be put on whatever /home is mounted on |
| 13:42.00 | wols_ | and there will be no security.debian.org |
| 13:42.04 | poer | so it's really... easy. |
| 13:42.12 | jair | wols_: what????????? |
| 13:42.14 | liable | poer: basically, yes :) |
| 13:42.14 | abrotman | tralala: i meant you lose time ;) |
| 13:42.24 | jair | wols_: then how can I maintain this box? |
| 13:42.30 | poer | Thanks! I've got some work to do then. I appreciate your help, liable. |
| 13:42.37 | liable | np |
| 13:42.37 | wols_ | jair: etch itself gets upgrades... |
| 13:42.39 | abrotman | wols_: there is .. but it's useless |
| 13:42.47 | jair | wols_: ohhh ok |
| 13:42.59 | tralala | abrotman: yep, got that. And you got me there - I didn't think of losing time ;) |
| 13:43.06 | wols_ | abrotman: supposedly there is. but no actually apdates means it does not exist |
| 13:43.06 | liable | time for bed, got a full day of beer and motorsports planned for tomoorow |
| 13:43.07 | jair | wols_: I will be doing the installation today hopefully I have a machine I can use for testing |
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| 13:43.18 | abrotman | wols_: well .. still a good idea to put it in |
| 13:43.23 | faked | tralala, still same problem, but if I modprobe -r snd_pcm_oss, modprobe snd_pcm_oss, /dev/dsp appears |
| 13:43.45 | tralala | hmm |
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| 13:44.09 | tralala | faked: is this sarge? |
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| 13:44.15 | faked | tralala, sid |
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| 13:44.40 | HNT | Hello everybody, do you have a good link on how ti make run aiglx with compiz on a debian unstable ? |
| 13:44.48 | tralala | faked: I'd blame it on sid then |
| 13:44.59 | abrotman | i'd at least like targetted spam .. jeez |
| 13:45.06 | faked | tralala, ok, np, thank you again |
| 13:45.14 | tralala | faked: sure |
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| 13:46.19 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: what's wrong with that ? |
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| 13:46.55 | daniele | someone noticed a massive slowdown of xorg after the upgrade to 7.1.1? i'm using the vesa driver |
| 13:47.14 | wols_ | vesa driver can slow down? get even slower? |
| 13:47.34 | Bombo | is there a known problem with ipac-ng on etch? i got this error message: "ipac-ng chains or rules corrupted, fix this with fetchipac -S" and when i do that: "$ fetchipac -S -> calloc failed, : Cannot allocate memory" |
| 13:47.43 | abrotman | bts ? |
| 13:47.59 | wols_ | daniele: what videocard do you have? |
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| 13:48.40 | daniele | wols_: unsupported ati card |
| 13:49.02 | daniele | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R480 [Radeon X850XT (PCIE)] (Primary) |
| 13:49.22 | cast | ..doesn't VESA toast your eyes? |
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| 13:49.44 | wols_ | daniele: fglrx should certainly support it |
| 13:50.05 | wols_ | running suhc a card under VESA is a crime |
| 13:50.29 | daniele | wols_: i don't want to use the nonfree driver |
| 13:50.34 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:50.34 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:50.54 | tarzeau | daniele: www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 13:50.58 | cast | daniele: haha. excellent. |
| 13:51.02 | tralala | daniele: it's not worse than vesa, believe me |
| 13:51.32 | daniele | tralala: i don't want nonfree sowtware. dot |
| 13:51.49 | tarzeau | tralala: tried brutalchess yet? |
| 13:52.01 | tralala | tarzeau: nope |
| 13:52.19 | tarzeau | daniele: i also had vesa here on a nvidia card. here fresh install, luckily nv supports it |
| 13:52.21 | derek[] | should the dialup connection be setup as root or user? |
| 13:52.24 | enouf | tralala: I had the same issue .... there's no /dev/dsp .. only /dev/.static/crapolahere (no alsa components installed - or very miniimal) ...but I noticed there is a /proc/asound -- anyway - you help to "faked" helped me as well ... just want to clarify what I had to do .. |
| 13:52.27 | tarzeau | daniele: and you're on stable? etch? sid? |
| 13:52.34 | enouf | your help* |
| 13:52.50 | amphi | derek[]: set it up as root with pppconfig |
| 13:52.50 | daniele | tarzeau: sid |
| 13:52.54 | tralala | tarzeau: but now that you mention it I will try it ;) |
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| 13:53.16 | daniele | it becamed unusable after the upgrade to xorg 7.1.1 |
| 13:53.25 | tarzeau | tralala: oh also try briquolo :) |
| 13:53.37 | amphi | derek[]: you need to add your user to the dialout group for your user to be able to connect with pon foo IIRC |
| 13:53.38 | tarzeau | tralala: and i'll try torqs :) |
| 13:53.39 | derek[] | ok |
| 13:53.40 | tarzeau | torcs even |
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| 13:54.05 | derek[] | amphi: ok. |
| 13:54.13 | plb | eh has anyone seen this logo someone did for iceweasel http://dugnet.com/klown/pics/iceweasel2.png |
| 13:54.16 | plb | it's nice |
| 13:54.17 | tralala | tarzeau: :) It's a pity torcs doesn't have a network play |
| 13:54.19 | plb | saw it on digg |
| 13:54.21 | derek[] | amphi: and is the case different if a chatscript is going to be used? |
| 13:54.21 | amphi | derek[]: and perhaps the dip group, I forget |
| 13:54.53 | tarzeau | plb: yep it's nice |
| 13:54.57 | derek[] | amphi: didn't you use bluetooth + gprs too? |
| 13:54.57 | amphi | derek[]: pppconfig will generate a chatscript for you, if you want, and deal with pap/chap crap too |
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| 13:55.16 | enouf | tralala: I had to modprobe each of these on my 2.6.16-2-686 kernel ... 'snd-pcm-oss' , 'snd-mixer-oss' , 'snd-seq-oss' --- funny how modprobe refused to find any snd modukles with a ' _ ' in their name (such as snd_oss_pcm) EVEN though lsmod now reports them as such (using an underscore) ...udev strikes! again |
| 13:55.45 | tralala | iceweasel rocks the universe ;) |
| 13:55.53 | amphi | derek[]: oh, for that - I'm not sure pppconfig deals nicely with that |
| 13:55.57 | tralala | enouf: that's hardly an udev issue |
| 13:56.12 | enouf | tralala: anyways ... wanted to say thanks |
| 13:56.13 | tarzeau | tralala: tried links2 -g yet? |
| 13:56.30 | tralala | enouf: for what? |
| 13:56.42 | enouf | tralala: so when/where did the underscoring change to - hypens ? |
| 13:56.44 | tralala | tarzeau: sure |
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| 13:57.00 | tralala | I meant the irony and all in iceweasel |
| 13:57.05 | enouf | tralala: you missed "why" |
| 13:57.17 | amphi | derek[]: the sim I have ATM doesn't allow gprs, but I have it set up to the point where the provider doesn't cooperate, so I expect it to work when I get another SIM |
| 13:57.39 | amphi | derek[]: ppp over gsm via bluetooth works fine |
| 13:57.48 | tralala | the browser is... hmm could be better. Way better. |
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| 13:59.22 | tralala | enouf: this is a modprobe thing. I think the module filenames have - |
| 13:59.51 | faked | enouf, I have to modprobe -r snd_pcm_oss; modprobe snd_pcm_oss to get /dev/dsp |
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| 13:59.59 | enouf | faked: still around ?? if you want the modules to remain upon reboot ... use as root 'echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules' for each module |
| 14:00.21 | enouf | faked : mine was never loaded since a boot of almost a week ago |
| 14:00.41 | enouf | faked: my snd-?-oss modules |
| 14:00.43 | faked | eno-away, the modules are loaded after reboot, thats not the problem, the problem is /dev/dsp is missing |
| 14:01.04 | enouf | tralala: ok ..then modprobe treachery strikes again! |
| 14:01.16 | tralala | faked: you need a better tab completion/irc client ;) |
| 14:01.17 | enouf | faked: not for me |
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| 14:01.56 | enouf | faked: do you have snd_mixer_oss loaded? |
| 14:01.56 | faked | tralala, oh sorry, I use xchat |
| 14:01.57 | tralala | enouf: anyhow the oss emulation should be loaded upon an attempt to be used |
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| 14:02.15 | faked | enouf, yes, snd_mixer_oss is loaded |
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| 14:02.22 | tralala | faked: give irssi a try if you please |
| 14:02.26 | enouf | tralala: yeash well .. KDE and artsy fartsy crap break that like I break a pencil |
| 14:02.51 | enouf | faked: I mean are they BOTH in /etc/modules? |
| 14:02.53 | tralala | sound servers... yikes |
| 14:02.55 | faked | tralala, good I idea, I always wanted to try irrsi, why not today :) |
| 14:03.05 | enouf | tralala: exactly ...ugh! |
| 14:03.27 | tralala | enouf: you don't have to run them though |
| 14:03.32 | faked | enouf, my /etc/modules is nearly empty, only 1 entry (loop) |
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| 14:03.47 | Barnes | faked tab completion works good with xchat |
| 14:04.00 | lunitik | Barnes: not really... |
| 14:04.05 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 14:04.10 | Barnes | mine does |
| 14:04.15 | enouf | faked : AFAIK .. that's where they need to be ... any modules you want to load automatically upon startup/boot |
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| 14:04.21 | tralala | Barnes: better with irssi though |
| 14:04.25 | lunitik | abrotman: funny how here... all deps were already met :P |
| 14:04.26 | abrotman | oh wait .. we've figured out that lunitik is defective :) |
| 14:04.37 | abrotman | lunitik: because you installed all the other krap already .. shocker |
| 14:04.46 | lunitik | abrotman: ;) |
| 14:04.51 | faked | enouf, no, all modules normally gets loaded automatically |
| 14:04.55 | enouf | tralala: can you explain that to faked ? about the /etc/modules file? |
| 14:05.11 | enouf | faked: not mine |
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| 14:05.30 | faked | enouf, I know this file, and how it works |
| 14:05.35 | tralala | Barnes: well, I just suppose so. Does xchat's completion start with the nicks that were recently active? |
| 14:05.49 | enouf | faked: ok ... forget it |
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| 14:06.10 | abrotman | tralala: no .. but it's not hard to read :) |
| 14:06.21 | abrotman | tralala: though .. i think you can get it to do it .. i should say that mine doesn't |
| 14:06.38 | faked | enouf, but my system loads all modules automatically, even nvidia |
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| 14:07.10 | tralala | I only need to put fglrx in my /etc/modules otherwise radeon gets autodetected upon X start |
| 14:07.32 | tralala | abrotman: see? irssi's better ;) |
| 14:07.43 | abrotman | tralala: i'm not arguing that .. but it's good enough |
| 14:07.56 | CAiRO | how do i add mouse button bindings to metacity? |
| 14:08.20 | CAiRO | eg instead of hyper + mouse button1 i want to use mouse button 6 (alone) for moving windows |
| 14:08.30 | tralala | abrotman: yeah, I'd say xchat is decent |
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| 14:09.03 | faked | tralala, is there no menu available in irssi? |
| 14:09.30 | abrotman | menu ? |
| 14:09.34 | tralala | faked: what menu? irssi has text interface |
| 14:09.45 | faked | tralala, ok |
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| 14:10.21 | derek[] | amphi: derek[]: ppp over gsm via bluetooth works fine -- did you use bluez ? |
| 14:10.24 | tralala | and it has the coolest ignore script ever ;) |
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| 14:10.50 | kapowaz | hmm, I'm trying to install MySQL 5.0 with backports but I'm not having any joy |
| 14:10.55 | fake | tralala: where can I change the colors in irssi? |
| 14:11.29 | abrotman | colors ? |
| 14:11.34 | tralala | fake: I'm not sure but there's #irssi and they are usually helpful |
| 14:11.38 | abrotman | kapowaz: did you read the instructions at backports.org ? |
| 14:11.42 | kapowaz | okay, ignore that. I think I fixed it. |
| 14:11.51 | kapowaz | yeah I did, but I'd the wrong package name in my /etc/apt/preferences |
| 14:12.16 | kapowaz | mysql-common not mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:12.19 | abrotman | doh |
| 14:13.06 | kapowaz | is there any less verbose way of specifying multiple packages to pin in the preferences? |
| 14:13.22 | kapowaz | I mean, can you say Package: <package1>, <package2>, [...] |
| 14:13.23 | plb | any you guys seen the departed yet? |
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| 14:13.32 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 14:14.15 | tralala | uhm... tarzeau? |
| 14:14.28 | tarzeau | tralala: uhm? |
| 14:15.33 | tralala | tarzeau: this brutalchess game... is it actually playable? |
| 14:15.43 | abrotman | briquolo! |
| 14:15.54 | derek[] | !pendrive |
| 14:15.56 | amphi | derek[]: yeah |
| 14:16.04 | tarzeau | tralala: yes |
| 14:16.07 | derek[] | !usbdrive |
| 14:16.18 | tarzeau | !sexdrive |
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| 14:17.06 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 14:17.06 | tralala | tarzeau: it's no good here |
| 14:17.06 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 14:17.41 | derek[] | how to "load" these modules? Are these installed in the base system installation? |
| 14:18.39 | amphi | derek[]: apt-get install bluez-utils IIRC - amongst other things, that installs an initscript |
| 14:19.15 | derek[] | amphi: I don't have any internet connection on that linux system yet |
| 14:19.23 | amphi | derek[]: bluez-hcidump is also useful, perhaps |
| 14:19.35 | tralala | on the otherhand briquolo is cool |
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| 14:19.56 | amphi | derek[]: ah, you're at the 'open the box with the enclosed key' stage? ;) |
| 14:20.22 | derek[] | ? ;) ...the only internet connection I have is GPRS |
| 14:20.39 | mynullvoid | any guide to apply patch on debian source and re create the deb? |
| 14:20.48 | amphi | derek[]: what are you using now? |
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| 14:21.10 | derek[] | amphi: same. (on windows on another computer) |
| 14:22.18 | abrotman | i blame kde |
| 14:22.20 | lunitik | Cool graphics though |
| 14:22.31 | lunitik | abrotman: I was running Gnome when I tried it *shrug* |
| 14:22.42 | lunitik | Actually, XFce I think... |
| 14:22.43 | amphi | derek[]: you could d/l the debs and transfer them... |
| 14:22.45 | CAiRO | how do i add mouse button bindings to metacity? |
| 14:22.47 | CAiRO | eg instead of hyper + mouse button1 i want to use mouse button 6 (alone) for moving windows |
| 14:22.55 | abrotman | lunitik: doubtful |
| 14:22.59 | lanchow | Q: i don't understand what happens with my printer, i have a epson optra E++, /dev/lp0, cups, wich works sometimes, and sometimes says "printer not connected". which log will see my printer ? dmesg ? |
| 14:23.15 | lunitik | abrotman: k |
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| 14:23.47 | tralala | all I get out of brutalchess if fps display on the konsole |
| 14:24.33 | tralala | I can't select figures. The only thing working is q and ~. I guess I'd better learn the console commands. |
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| 14:27.17 | derek[] | amphi: yes, that's what I'll do. For that I am using the USB drive. |
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| 14:30.05 | derek[] | hallo mk3y |
| 14:32.44 | kapowaz | hmm |
| 14:32.50 | kapowaz | is there no backport for apache 2.2 ? |
| 14:33.07 | abrotman | probably not |
| 14:33.12 | azeem | it got uploaded to unstable only a couple of days ago |
| 14:33.20 | abrotman | and 2.0 is in sarge anyways |
| 14:33.27 | kapowaz | eh |
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| 14:33.31 | wols_ | and still has severe issues |
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| 14:33.39 | kapowaz | fair enough |
| 14:33.41 | azeem | they uploaded a new version today |
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| 14:33.52 | azeem | or yesterday |
| 14:33.54 | ^Timo^ | Hi |
| 14:34.34 | kapowaz | no backport for ruby 1.8.4 either? |
| 14:34.35 | kapowaz | man |
| 14:34.49 | ^Timo^ | i have a question how can i install perl mods you guys told me that but can't remember it anymore |
| 14:36.02 | abrotman | cpan .. or use apt-file search to find the one oyu want |
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| 14:42.04 | mynullvoid | I got a deb package after I run alien on a tarball, but how can I modify the package rule and other info? |
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| 14:44.38 | dn4 | So who thinks the ancient philosophers got up and smoked a phat bowl of "01010000111101010101010000111010" motha feckin 1's and 0's and ended up chatting online about philosophy |
| 14:44.39 | valdyn | mynullvoid: you packaged a source tarball with alien? |
| 14:44.46 | azeem | dn4: please stay on topic |
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| 14:45.10 | mynullvoid | valdyn: I convert a tarball with alien |
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| 14:45.40 | valdyn | mynullvoid: yes, a source tarball? |
| 14:45.40 | mynullvoid | yes |
| 14:45.53 | valdyn | mynullvoid: rm that.deb, its useless |
| 14:45.59 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 14:46.00 | vi-config | how unstable is lighttpd on Sarge? My compile won't run and I don't know if I should just use Apache2 |
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| 14:46.21 | mynullvoid | valdyn: I want to install snort-inline, but there is no deb package |
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| 14:46.47 | dn4 | almost Evry time I speak in here i'm off-the-topic |
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| 14:48.21 | valdyn | mynullvoid: are you familar with ./configure ; make ; make install ? |
| 14:48.43 | mynullvoid | a bit |
| 14:48.57 | mynullvoid | I guess you are suggesting me to use non-debian way then |
| 14:48.58 | mynullvoid | heh |
| 14:49.07 | tralala | dn4: one has to wonder what are you doing here in this case |
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| 14:49.40 | cast | valdyn: if it's that easy the dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage will make a deb no problem in my experience |
| 14:49.45 | cast | then* |
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| 14:50.27 | valdyn | mynullvoid: ^^, or use checkinstall |
| 14:50.47 | mynullvoid | valdyn: what's that |
| 14:50.54 | valdyn | mynullvoid: a debian package |
| 14:51.36 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 14:52.25 | dn4 | tralala, trollalala |
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| 14:56.19 | mynullvoid | valdyn: checkinstall is used to create a deb? |
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| 14:58.23 | riot | hi |
| 14:58.34 | riot | what is the smartest way to get rid of orphaned packages? |
| 14:58.38 | valdyn | mynullvoid: yes, read the documentation |
| 14:58.53 | mynullvoid | I am reading the documentation |
| 14:59.07 | mynullvoid | valdyn: but there is no howto even at the webpage |
| 14:59.26 | valdyn | mynullvoid: there's a manpage |
| 15:00.17 | abrotman | deborphan |
| 15:00.25 | simon23 | can anyone help me with a litte c problem? |
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| 15:00.53 | derek[] | While I don't have X, how can I scroll the display? |
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| 15:01.00 | XJih78 | hello |
| 15:01.12 | derek[] | hi |
| 15:01.17 | simon23 | i compiled my prog and now it wont run - the only error is, that i have no right to execute it - but it is my file - i have all rights but cant run the prog !?!... |
| 15:01.35 | abrotman | is the partition mounted noexec ? |
| 15:01.42 | riot | abrotman: ok, i'm trying :) let's hope, everything still works afterwards *g* |
| 15:02.18 | abrotman | trying ? |
| 15:02.19 | abrotman | oh |
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| 15:02.52 | XJih78 | i have a great problem. when i install a new kernel first i compile from source then i move the ready kernel image in /boot after that i mkinitrd but when i boot it shows: "no filesystem could mount root, tried: ext2" |
| 15:02.58 | riot | http://tinyurl.com/jukag << nice guide on how to reclaim lots'o'space on grown debian installations =) (including a guide to deborphan) |
| 15:03.07 | XJih78 | the ramdisk is loaded |
| 15:04.07 | abrotman | riot: it's innaccurate .. but ok |
| 15:04.55 | XJih78 | after that there is: "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 15:05.07 | XJih78 | i've tried all i can |
| 15:05.20 | XJih78 | but im missing something and i can't figure out what |
| 15:05.23 | riot | abrotman: yah, and i'd rather use apt-get clean than rm all the debs there by hand |
| 15:06.22 | mynullvoid | riot: once I had done the apt-get clean and one find day the released package breaks and I was in-need of previous version package heh |
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| 15:07.46 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 15:07.46 | dpkg | from memory, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 15:07.47 | riot | mynullvoid: uh.. i think apt cleans itself on some occasions.. |
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| 15:08.05 | Nik | bonjour |
| 15:08.12 | riot | abrotman: oh, that is very handy |
| 15:08.18 | Nik | y a t il quelqu un pour maider? |
| 15:08.25 | abrotman | !fr |
| 15:08.25 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:09.14 | Nik | merci |
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| 15:10.41 | wols_ | XJih78: what is your root partition? |
| 15:10.51 | wols_ | and 2nd whatis your kernel parameter(s) |
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| 15:11.03 | wols_ | and third: if you compile your own kernel, why is there a initrd? |
| 15:11.51 | XJih78 | lol. i dunno. |
| 15:12.01 | XJih78 | lemme check for the partition |
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| 15:12.23 | Hiroshige | hi |
| 15:12.47 | XJih78 | wols_: its /dev/hdb7 |
| 15:13.00 | wols_ | I have asked 3 questions. not one |
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| 15:13.26 | PumpkinPie | how do I know if exim is using its multi file configuration? now when I install exim it doesn't even ask if I want to use the multi file format or not |
| 15:13.39 | XJih78 | wols_: what do u mean parameters? in grub? |
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| 15:14.06 | XJih78 | or in the .config file |
| 15:14.11 | riot | http://snapshot.debian.net/du/du.png << iiiiiiinteresting :D |
| 15:14.26 | riot | if it were up to date |
| 15:14.57 | riot | oh, wait, the numbers below are just dumb-printed *g* |
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| 15:15.31 | wols | damn network |
| 15:16.44 | abrotman | blame the polish guys! |
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| 15:18.18 | XJih78 | wols: what parameters would u like me to send u. there are alot of those :) |
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| 15:19.01 | wols | there is only one single line. can't be much |
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| 15:19.24 | XJih78 | one sigle line ? u mean in grub? |
| 15:19.28 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:19.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:19.49 | wols | I mean this kernel can only have one single line of parameters. not more not less |
| 15:19.50 | XJih78 | oh ok |
| 15:19.56 | wols | so it is not muhc, no matter what you say |
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| 15:20.25 | enouf | Ted Stevens ... stop dumptrucking the tubes |
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| 15:20.26 | HNT | Hello everybody, i'v install compiz from the apt (so 'im in unstable mode) and now, how can I use compiz instead of the default manager of kde |
| 15:20.28 | HNT | ? |
| 15:20.49 | valdyn | HNT: start by reading the documentation |
| 15:21.02 | wols | valdyn: that so boooooring! |
| 15:21.05 | HNT | do you have a good link ? |
| 15:21.05 | XJih78 | wols: and how does it display it? |
| 15:21.11 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:21.11 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:21.18 | valdyn | !cluebat HNT |
| 15:21.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: you just did that like two hours ago! .. loser |
| 15:21.23 | wols | XJih78: one letter after the other? you know... words? |
| 15:21.44 | valdyn | HNT: file://usr/shar/doc/ |
| 15:21.51 | abrotman | share! |
| 15:21.55 | valdyn | HNT: file://usr/share/doc/ |
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| 15:22.56 | CodeBook | does anyone who runs vmware-server 1.0.1 on debian etch (or maybe sid?) have managed to resolve the libdbus* and libpng* problems? |
| 15:22.57 | XJih78 | wols: i dont quite understand what you're trying to say |
| 15:23.17 | wols | XJih78: that's ok. you don't have a clue about kernel building either |
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| 15:23.33 | XJih78 | yes i have |
| 15:23.39 | wols | XJih78: don't you even know what a kernel boot parameter is? |
| 15:23.44 | wols | and you say you have a clue? |
| 15:23.46 | abrotman | CodeBook: nothing in the bts ? |
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| 15:24.01 | CodeBook | abchirk, whats is "bts"? |
| 15:24.08 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:24.08 | wols | !bts |
| 15:24.08 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:24.12 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 15:24.12 | CodeBook | abchirk, sorry. |
| 15:24.56 | abchirk | CodeBook welcome..i get drunken here ;) |
| 15:24.59 | CodeBook | well, vmware is no debian package, so there hardly is a bug track for it |
| 15:25.13 | XJih78 | wols: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.17.13 root=/dev/hdb7 ro |
| 15:25.16 | XJih78 | like this one? |
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| 15:25.58 | wols | that's a bit more than the parameters only but it'll do |
| 15:25.59 | CodeBook | and the solutions from the vmware forum lead from one error to the next problem |
| 15:26.10 | wols | so you're trying to run/install kernel 2.6.17.13? |
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| 15:26.28 | wols | XJih78: and I still haven't an answer for my third question |
| 15:26.36 | XJih78 | wols: yup. |
| 15:27.25 | XJih78 | wols: well because i thought it's essential for booting |
| 15:27.40 | wols | no it's not |
| 15:27.45 | XJih78 | but it my case it is wrong |
| 15:27.56 | abrotman | CodeBook: i meant check bugs on the other packages |
| 15:28.00 | wols | what is your harddisk controller? |
| 15:28.07 | XJih78 | ide |
| 15:28.12 | wols | what is your harddisk controller? |
| 15:29.01 | alexxio | hey i'm new about debian. i've got an offline computer with debian server (the minimal installation) just installed and now i have to install php5 without connecting. i should download now all the packages i will need for offline installing. can you help me understading what are the dependencies of php5? i successfully installed apache2 from the installation cd. |
| 15:29.16 | valdyn | XJih78: why dont you use a debian kernel? |
| 15:29.21 | wols | alexxio: apt-zip |
| 15:29.52 | wols | ..especially since there are 2.6.17 ones |
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| 15:30.10 | XJih78 | wols: it's ide |
| 15:30.22 | wols | alexxio: if you want to do it manually you can look at packages.debian.org |
| 15:30.24 | wols | what is your harddisk controller? |
| 15:30.35 | ^Timo^ | Hi have a simple question |
| 15:30.48 | wols | ^Timo^: we like those best |
| 15:30.51 | XJih78 | IDE/ATA hard disk controller |
| 15:30.54 | wols | ^Timo^: we like those best |
| 15:30.55 | abrotman | eh .. my first attempt with initng .. didn't go so well :) |
| 15:30.56 | wols | what is your harddisk controller? |
| 15:31.06 | ^Timo^ | i'v got a'n script that starts with this |
| 15:31.07 | ^Timo^ | #!/bin/sh |
| 15:31.07 | ^Timo^ | PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin |
| 15:31.09 | valdyn | hah |
| 15:31.17 | XJih78 | 0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) |
| 15:31.23 | ^Timo^ | which path is he in then |
| 15:31.25 | wols | now we're talking |
| 15:31.29 | ^Timo^ | sorry for my bad english |
| 15:31.29 | ^Timo^ | ;p |
| 15:31.31 | ^Timo^ | ? |
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| 15:31.37 | XJih78 | ahhh different output :) |
| 15:31.37 | valdyn | ^Timo^: is who? |
| 15:31.38 | PumpkinPie | how do I get out of a screen ? |
| 15:31.41 | abrotman | ^Timo^: you can put "echo $PATH" after that |
| 15:31.48 | XJih78 | you could of said vendor and model and stuff |
| 15:31.52 | wols | tarzeau: wherever you started. your script doesn't changed cwd |
| 15:32.13 | tarzeau | wols: which script? |
| 15:32.40 | tarzeau | PumpkinPie: c-a d |
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| 15:32.59 | valdyn | ^Timo^: the PATH defines where executables are searched |
| 15:33.01 | ^Timo^ | ok so which path start thats with |
| 15:33.20 | ^Timo^ | http://www.qmailrocks.org/downloads/scripts/install/qmr_install_linux-s1.script |
| 15:33.33 | ^Timo^ | when i start the script i got error |
| 15:33.34 | ^Timo^ | s |
| 15:33.40 | ^Timo^ | :( |
| 15:33.41 | wols | tarzeau: ^Timo^ with the sucky nick |
| 15:33.53 | tarzeau | !nickometer ^Timo^ |
| 15:33.55 | dpkg | '^Timo^' is 26.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 15:34.02 | valdyn | ^Timo^: that script isnt for debian |
| 15:34.24 | ^Timo^ | not.. hmm its a'n install for debian |
| 15:34.33 | wols | XJih78: grep -i PIIX /boot/config-2.6.17.13 |
| 15:34.34 | valdyn | #Specially formulated for Redhat, Fedora, RHEL and Whitebox Linux. :) |
| 15:34.55 | valdyn | that script is a piece of shit |
| 15:34.59 | XJih78 | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=m |
| 15:34.59 | XJih78 | # CONFIG_I2C_PIIX4 is not set |
| 15:35.00 | wols | ^Timo^: any special reason you want qmail? |
| 15:35.04 | ^Timo^ | welcome to |
| 15:35.04 | ^Timo^ | The qmailrocks.org qmail Installation guide |
| 15:35.04 | ^Timo^ | for Debian |
| 15:35.06 | XJih78 | so its a module |
| 15:35.09 | XJih78 | is that a prob? |
| 15:35.22 | ^Timo^ | because exim4 have no howto and i am new with linux |
| 15:35.23 | ^Timo^ | so.. |
| 15:35.36 | wols | XJih78: that's at least one of your errors. why is the driver you need to access your root partition a module? |
| 15:35.43 | valdyn | ^Timo^: exim4 is already installed by default |
| 15:35.57 | XJih78 | lol. i got it! |
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| 15:36.05 | XJih78 | wols: love you man! |
| 15:36.10 | valdyn | ^Timo^: using qmail you're making your life harder not easier |
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| 15:36.20 | XJih78 | 10x |
| 15:36.25 | XJih78 | ooops sorry |
| 15:36.26 | wols | ^Timo^: http://www.google.de/search?q=debian+exim4+howto&start=0&hl=en&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official |
| 15:36.26 | XJih78 | thanks |
| 15:36.46 | wols | that damn google query gives you about 699.000 hits. and there is no howto? |
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| 15:37.24 | wols | XJih78: the questin is: does it boot? |
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| 15:38.06 | Crissi | hi |
| 15:38.12 | wols | evening |
| 15:38.16 | ^Timo^ | wols : yes but there is no good howto that i can follow from begin to end |
| 15:38.38 | Crissi | i wnat to know when the ipw3945 package will be ready for unstable |
| 15:38.50 | wols | !WIR |
| 15:38.50 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 15:38.58 | valdyn | ^Timo^: you run 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' you answer questions, you are done. |
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| 15:39.06 | wols | valdyn: *ahem* |
| 15:39.29 | valdyn | wols: that's a classic howto by me (tm) |
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| 15:39.51 | Crissi | if there is a package for it i dont need to install it manually |
| 15:39.55 | wols | valdyn: you are dealing with mail here. millions of postmasters would be out of work if it were so simple |
| 15:40.12 | xingu | wols: and that would be no bad thing. :) |
| 15:40.12 | Crissi | it could not so hard to made packages for that |
| 15:40.18 | valdyn | wols: ^Timo^ is hopefully not a professional |
| 15:40.18 | wols | Crissi: pdo is wise. use it |
| 15:40.19 | Crissi | because ubuntu has it |
| 15:40.23 | wols | xingu: ask the postmasters |
| 15:40.27 | XJih78 | wols: wait for a while. i will tell u |
| 15:40.36 | Crissi | dpo? |
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| 15:40.39 | XJih78 | you* |
| 15:40.40 | wols | !dpo |
| 15:40.50 | wols | graah. packages.debian.org |
| 15:41.13 | tarzeau | wols: !pdo ? |
| 15:41.20 | ^Timo^ | i am learning i am new with linux so have some respect for me will ya :( |
| 15:41.30 | Crissi | !dpo |
| 15:41.38 | tarzeau | ^Timo^: it's smaller on weekends |
| 15:41.53 | Crissi | ah |
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| 15:42.04 | valdyn | ^Timo^: sure, just trying to convince you that using debian defaults is sane compared to following bad howtos blindly |
| 15:42.17 | wols | ^Timo^: yes, a newbie who's first thing is "I need my own mailserver". THat won't earn you respect. it earns you a stupidity awards and lots of groans from people you ask for help |
| 15:42.40 | iveqy | I'm using Ubuntu 5,06. Is there an easy way to convert to Debian edge? |
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| 15:42.48 | wols | iveqy: reinstall |
| 15:42.51 | Crissi | hm.. only firmware is there |
| 15:42.59 | Crissi | where is the daemon and the driver? |
| 15:43.03 | wols | iveqy: besides: there is no "edge". there is etch |
| 15:43.19 | ^Timo^ | wols : why can't i have my own mail server |
| 15:43.21 | ^Timo^ | :/ |
| 15:43.39 | cast | ^Timo^: because you might become a spam relay :\ |
| 15:43.45 | wols | ^Timo^: you can. but mailservers are complicated, (no matter what valdyn says :) ) |
| 15:43.46 | tarzeau | iveqy: yes |
| 15:43.48 | iveqy | wols: oh, I'm sorry. etch was what I meant. |
| 15:43.52 | tarzeau | iveqy: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 15:44.02 | tarzeau | iveqy: well it's doing ubunto to debian sid |
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| 15:44.18 | tarzeau | iveqy: but it should be easily adaptable |
| 15:44.35 | tarzeau | wols: it's possible without re-install |
| 15:44.49 | iveqy | tarzeau: thanks! |
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| 15:44.58 | iveqy | tarzeau: what is sid meant? |
| 15:45.00 | wols | tarzeau: looking at that script, I rather reinstall :) |
| 15:45.05 | tarzeau | !sid |
| 15:45.06 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 15:45.13 | tarzeau | wols: sometimes you have no option :) |
| 15:45.44 | tarzeau | wols: imagine ubuntu has a bug one day... and you have the hostnames of them all, and you can login and be root :) |
| 15:45.46 | Crissi | wols: any hints? |
| 15:45.59 | tarzeau | wols: can you imagine how many people will switch to debian without even knowing? :)_ |
| 15:46.08 | iveqy | !etch |
| 15:46.08 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 15:46.20 | tralala | okay, now I'm officially a briquolo barbie. Briquolo is HARD! |
| 15:46.33 | tarzeau | tralala: you haven't finished all the levels yet? |
| 15:46.38 | iveqy | tarzeau: so. I move to sid and then over to etch? |
| 15:46.41 | tarzeau | tralala: you gotta try bloboats :) much harder |
| 15:46.46 | xingu | tarzeau: that looks almost about as entertaining as bo->hamm |
| 15:46.47 | tarzeau | iveqy: no, stay on sid :) |
| 15:46.57 | tarzeau | xingu: it's fun, for sure |
| 15:47.02 | tarzeau | xingu: it's not easy btw |
| 15:47.06 | tarzeau | but it's possible |
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| 15:47.28 | tralala | tarzeau: I'm not even thinking of attempting to play them all from the start |
| 15:47.35 | wols | Crissi: don't have a ipw3945 |
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| 15:47.46 | wols | and I'm a theo deraadth fanboi about it |
| 15:47.47 | iveqy | tarzeau: I'm running etch on my laptop at the moment... But maybe ur right. I don't whant my main station to go down |
| 15:48.13 | Crissi | wols: a lot of ppl has it... builtin in laptops |
| 15:48.21 | davs | i was using sid without any severe problems, until yesterday when i updated apache2 |
| 15:48.22 | wols | iveqy: you cannot go from sid to etch. downgrading is not supported |
| 15:48.27 | Crissi | it should be in etch |
| 15:48.28 | tarzeau | wols: so if theo says he wants gnustep. you'll install it too? |
| 15:48.32 | wols | Crissi: sucks to be lot of ppl |
| 15:48.35 | davs | it became apache2.2 and php doesnt work.. |
| 15:48.42 | davs | Crissi: i have an ipw3945 |
| 15:48.45 | davs | working. |
| 15:48.55 | Crissi | because its a shame to have a driver and its not in debian |
| 15:48.57 | wols | tarzeau: can't be. GNUStep is GPL licenses. theo hates the GPL. It's nonfree |
| 15:49.08 | Crissi | davs: works here too. i ask for packages |
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| 15:49.21 | davs | Crissi: ah, that's not going to happen anytime soon |
| 15:49.33 | Crissi | davs: why? |
| 15:49.34 | tarzeau | wols: it's LGPL last time i checked |
| 15:49.45 | davs | Crissi: they have an article on kerneltrap |
| 15:49.47 | wols | tarzeau: don't take away my arguments! |
| 15:49.52 | Crissi | simply look how ubuntu builds the ipw package |
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| 15:50.10 | Bombo | is there a debian package for the fritz isdn card? i found this source code: ftp://ftp.avm.de/cardware/fritzcrd/linux/suse.82/fcclassic-suse8.2-03.11.02.tar.gz but its for suse, and it doesnt compile on etch |
| 15:50.19 | wols | Crissi: ubuntu likes nonfree for the sake of convenience |
| 15:50.31 | Crissi | there is a nonfree section on debian |
| 15:50.36 | Crissi | thats not a problem |
| 15:50.37 | tarzeau | Crissi: it's not debian |
| 15:50.50 | Bombo | anyone who is experienced with compiling pls try to compile this code and tell me if/how it works |
| 15:50.53 | tarzeau | Crissi: GNU doesn't like non-free, not even for the sake of convenience |
| 15:50.55 | Crissi | put it there# |
| 15:51.02 | valdyn | Bombo: that's not needed, fritz h/w drivers are in any debian kernel, isdn software is packaged too ( apt-cache search idnutils ) |
| 15:51.19 | valdyn | s/idnutils/isdnutils/ |
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| 15:51.28 | Crissi | tarzeau: if there is no other driver.. it must be a way to use it... thats the reason why nonfree exists |
| 15:51.42 | iveqy | wols: isn't etch the next realese after sid? |
| 15:51.43 | Crissi | just put the ipw package there |
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| 15:52.12 | Crissi | on the other hand ask intel for release the complete src like ipw2200 |
| 15:52.13 | wols | iveqy: have you even read the !sid factoid abrotman asked the bot for your benefit? |
| 15:52.19 | Bombo | valdyn: hmmm something is missing then, isdnlog wont start, i had always the fcclassic.o loaded on woody and it worked... |
| 15:53.04 | tarzeau | Crissi: use it as a paper weight |
| 15:53.07 | xingu | Crissi: instead of telling us all how we ought to be donating our time, perhaps you could troll less and package it yourself? |
| 15:53.56 | nightfly | hi all, when i try to mount my usb device (/dev/sda) konqueror says that : feature only available with HAL. What is the problem? |
| 15:54.00 | Braindead | Crissi: I'm already waving my fists towards Intel HQ's general direction. I think it might work |
| 15:54.26 | xingu | Braindead: no, you need to put your head out the window and yell "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more" too |
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| 15:54.44 | Bombo | $ capiinit |
| 15:54.44 | Bombo | FATAL: Module fcclassic not found. |
| 15:54.44 | davs | nightfly: install hal |
| 15:54.55 | Braindead | xingu: I'm also dressed and I'm wearing makeup just like Dee Snider |
| 15:55.18 | davs | nightfly: and check to see if the partition you want to mount actually IS sda. it usually is sda1. |
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| 15:55.36 | davs | nightfly: check what dmesg says after you plug in your usb drive |
| 15:55.37 | nightfly | davs: how i may check that? |
| 15:55.55 | davs | nightfly: i.e. type dmesg and press enter |
| 15:56.03 | nightfly | ok |
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| 15:56.37 | abrotman | wols: i did? |
| 15:57.04 | Bombo | valdyn: capi probably need a special driver |
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| 15:57.59 | Braindead | xingu: ahahah OMFG (sorry for the paste but I have to) 17:56 -!- Irssi: Starting query in Freenode with Crissi 17:56 <Crissi> hello |
| 15:58.05 | Braindead | 17:57 <Crissi> can you tell me more` |
| 15:58.05 | Braindead | 17:57 <Crissi> is there a chance to get the ipw3945 driver free? |
| 15:58.09 | nightfly | !paste |
| 15:58.09 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:58.26 | Braindead | nightfly: oh stfu. nabbo. |
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| 15:59.11 | Crissi | Braindead: what you are doing??? |
| 15:59.20 | Braindead | Crissi: sharing a laugh |
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| 15:59.37 | roadfish | is there a Linux command to do a non-blocking version of "cat mypipe" on a named pipe? |
| 15:59.46 | wols | !tell Crissi about msg |
| 16:00.05 | wols | Bombo: google. you know it? |
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| 16:00.28 | pumpkin0 | roadfish: i don´t understand what you are up to, but try "tail" |
| 16:00.51 | nightfly | now i've pasted the output here http://channels.debian.net/paste/3972. |
| 16:00.59 | xingu | Bombo: one thing you should probably be aware of is that linux isdn in general is slipping into decrepitude; the world has quite simply moved beyond skinny arse tdm pipes. |
| 16:01.03 | wols | valdyn: btw, fritzcard apparently wants hisax. wasn't that removed from kernel? |
| 16:01.06 | wols | Bombo: e.g. http://www.debianhowto.de/doku.php/de:howtos:sarge:hylafax_avm_isdn |
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| 16:01.41 | roadfish | pumpkin0: "tail" blocks on a named pipe |
| 16:01.43 | xingu | and I get to say "the world" because that's my day job. |
| 16:02.25 | wols | xingu: in .de, isdn is >50% |
| 16:02.29 | Crissi | Braindead: hö? |
| 16:02.35 | roadfish | xingu: what is a tdm pipe? |
| 16:02.35 | xingu | wols: and falling quick. :) |
| 16:02.55 | wols | xingu: not really |
| 16:03.03 | xingu | wols: pretty hard to get beyond cabling radius of lit glass or metro-ethernet in .de |
| 16:03.22 | roadfish | xingu: is it Time-division multiplexing? |
| 16:03.26 | xingu | yes |
| 16:03.30 | wols | xingu: ever heard of OPAL? |
| 16:03.35 | abrotman | cars! |
| 16:03.46 | xingu | in fact specifically in de most of our providers are trying to reterminate all service on stm1 |
| 16:03.58 | wols | xingu: lots of people have fibre, want dsl or any broadband and can't even get it |
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| 16:04.34 | earthian | hey, does Ign sign (which i think is smth to do with a word 'ignore') mean bad in apt-get update ????? and if not what does that mean??? |
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| 16:05.01 | XJih78 | wols: it booted nicely |
| 16:05.15 | abrotman | earthian: it's fine |
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| 16:05.22 | pipeline | wols, xingu : AT&T's original vision, in the 60s and 70s, was that ISDN would be rolled out to everywhere in N. America. They of course did not anticipate its use for internet access, but still. The seeds were there, and govt. interventioned ruined it for us. What does ISDN cost in .de? $20/mo.? |
| 16:05.39 | earthian | abrotman, very good. what does that mean? :) |
| 16:05.39 | Braindead | ISDN is so....1997 |
| 16:06.19 | abrotman | earthian: eh .. no change iirc |
| 16:06.32 | earthian | ok. thanks |
| 16:06.36 | wols | pipeline: no. analog costs ~16EUR, ISDN ~30. But german telekom did massive advertising and subsidies for it for decades basically |
| 16:06.47 | xingu | yes, exactly |
| 16:07.21 | pipeline | wols: 16 euro a month for an unmetered phone line? Good lord. It's 35 here. I can get wireless for *significantly* less than a proper phoneline, as the local telcos are all assholes :P |
| 16:07.21 | xingu | but it's done now, like I said, lit fiber or metro-E are cheaper for most metrics involving width and reliability |
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| 16:07.31 | wols | pipeline: and while people want to use dsl of course for data, not all can get it, and people tend to stay with their current phone setup for a long time usually |
| 16:07.59 | wols | pipeline: unmetered? you pay from the first minute. it'S only for the priviledge of having a cable with a dialtone |
| 16:08.19 | pipeline | wols: ohohoh. Gotcha. |
| 16:08.20 | wols | pipeline: and you pay for local and LD calls both |
| 16:08.32 | xingu | .de doesn't have great gobs of poorly balanced copper in the ground; it tends to be excellently groomed, perfect for e1 or e3 service |
| 16:08.52 | xingu | it's robustly inappropriate to run dsl over. :) |
| 16:08.53 | wols | xingu: if/when copper |
| 16:09.02 | xingu | but if you don't, you get hammered on bandwidth these days |
| 16:09.38 | xingu | hence, the availability of longreach ethernet or digital multi-meg service becomes the successor |
| 16:10.20 | wols | xingu: there are a few cities, large ones, with VDSL, that's it |
| 16:10.40 | xingu | and oddly enough they tend to be foreign ptt's making a meal of it |
| 16:10.40 | wols | and IIRC that depends on NEW wires. fibre |
| 16:11.15 | xingu | and if you're going to all that fuss and nonsense you may as well run at least cwdm and for better roi dwdm |
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| 16:11.25 | wols | _and_ you can only get this VDSL if you also take their overpriced IPTV service... |
| 16:11.33 | iveqy | wols: yes. but i think I'm going to re read it... |
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| 16:11.38 | xingu | at which point you get some mix of stm1 and ethernet on different lambda |
| 16:11.52 | iveqy | !sid |
| 16:11.52 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 16:11.56 | iveqy | !etch |
| 16:11.56 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 16:12.07 | pumpkin0 | wols, xingu: the german telcom installed fibre in large parts of the country. These are not upgradeable to DSL, let alone VDSL w/o serious costs (exchange of all endpoints) |
| 16:12.16 | iveqy | !testing |
| 16:12.17 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 16:12.22 | wols | pumpkin0: as I said: OPAL |
| 16:12.27 | wols | mainly eastern german tho |
| 16:12.32 | xingu | pumpkin0: it would not be an upgrade to digitise dsl and run it over fiber |
| 16:12.33 | pumpkin0 | iveqy: try: /msg dpkg thing-you-want |
| 16:12.36 | wols | !tell iveqy about msg |
| 16:12.50 | xingu | pumpkin0: it would be a net negative return on deployed capital |
| 16:12.50 | iveqy | pumpkin0: wols thank you. :) |
| 16:12.57 | wols | xingu: they CANNOT run any broadband on that fibre |
| 16:13.18 | xingu | wols: not true, we in fact do just that for some legacy gear |
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| 16:13.26 | paccer | is there any way to change detection parameters for joydev module? - i have a wireless playstation joypad with a playstation>pc usb converter - and joypad works fine, except for "arrows" (up, down, left, right) - its like they dont get detected.. analog etc works fine |
| 16:13.36 | paccer | im running etch |
| 16:13.49 | pumpkin0 | wols: at least not w/o digging up each and every endpoint and replacing it with a very expensive DSLAM. |
| 16:14.18 | xingu | pumpkin0: or, ordering the fiber service and putting your own dacs at each end |
| 16:14.22 | paccer | tried searching a whole lot (many hours... seriously) - but without luck :( |
| 16:14.29 | earthian | ~xorg |
| 16:14.30 | apt | from memory, xorg is The X.Org Foundation, the worldwide consortium empowered with the stewardship and collaborative development of the X Window System technology and standards. http://X.org/ |
| 16:14.31 | earthian | !xorg |
| 16:14.31 | dpkg | i guess xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 16:14.41 | earthian | !x11 |
| 16:14.41 | dpkg | it has been said that x11 is a protocol used by X servers and clients X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
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| 16:14.57 | Braindead | earthian: QUERY the bot,just /query dpkg and continue there |
| 16:14.59 | pumpkin0 | xingu: expensive ... |
| 16:15.04 | earthian | hm |
| 16:15.04 | xingu | pumpkin0: it's not an upgrade though, an upgrade is throwing away the telco's laser and running your own cwdm down the pipe |
| 16:15.16 | earthian | i just need to get default dapper xorg version |
| 16:15.24 | earthian | is it 7.0 or 7.1 ? |
| 16:15.28 | pumpkin0 | dapper is ubunut, not debian |
| 16:15.47 | pumpkin0 | lunitik: it never exisited. The project was called X11 right away. |
| 16:15.49 | lunitik | earthian: 7.0.22 |
| 16:15.51 | earthian | ups |
| 16:15.53 | paccer | maby someone atleast can help me debugging what goes wrong with my joystick "detection" |
| 16:15.55 | earthian | oh |
| 16:15.59 | earthian | thanks lunitik |
| 16:16.05 | xingu | pumpkin0: re-digitising analog spectrum zings you up the backside latency-wise |
| 16:16.11 | lunitik | pumpkin0: oh... hmm... why'd they pick 11 then? |
| 16:16.22 | paccer | tried with gamecon module etc - but aparently, joydev should do the trick (which it does.. except the last 4 "buttons) |
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| 16:16.27 | xingu | pumpkin0: the fewer analog segments and frame conversions the better |
| 16:16.29 | wols | earthian: dapper is in #ubuntu. this here is #debian |
| 16:16.35 | earthian | i know |
| 16:16.37 | earthian | sorry |
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| 16:16.42 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 16:16.44 | earthian | :) |
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| 16:16.47 | nightfly | i've done, tanks a lot |
| 16:16.51 | lunitik | !enter |
| 16:16.52 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 16:16.58 | lkthomas | anyone using dspam ? I would like to know how well is it doing |
| 16:17.01 | pumpkin0 | lunitik: that thing was named at berkley. These guys invented LSD, so don´t ask... |
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| 16:17.14 | wols | !anyone |
| 16:17.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:17.26 | pumpkin0 | xingu: DSL is not that latency free eighter .... |
| 16:17.40 | xingu | one thing I will say about the deustch copper networks is at least they machine for reliable clocking |
| 16:17.48 | wols | pumpkin0: depends on the country you are :) |
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| 16:18.04 | azeem | "X9 appeared in September 1985" |
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| 16:18.19 | wols | azeem: X9 is? |
| 16:18.20 | azeem | X11 is the 11th revision of the X protocol, AFAIK |
| 16:18.23 | pumpkin0 | wols: i have never seen a DSL under 25ms ... ? |
| 16:18.25 | azeem | wols: the 9th revision |
| 16:18.25 | wols | ah |
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| 16:18.46 | azeem | "in May 1984, Scheifler replaced the synchronous protocol of W with an asynchronous protocol and the display lists with immediate mode graphics to make X version 1" |
| 16:18.56 | pipeline | lunitik, wols, azeem : Only X10 and X11 were ever used outside MIT. |
| 16:19.01 | roxy_ | I added this line to /etc/syslog.conf: log5.* /var/log/log5.log |
| 16:19.46 | roxy_ | then: restarted syslogd and did: logger -p log5.info "hello" |
| 16:20.13 | pipeline | lunitik: Twenty. |
| 16:20.14 | roxy_ | but got: logger: unknown facility name: log5. |
| 16:20.14 | wols | lunitik: power of legacy |
| 16:20.24 | pipeline | lunitik: X10, which was almost identical to X11, came out 86ish. |
| 16:20.27 | roxy_ | What is it I didn't understand ? |
| 16:20.40 | pipeline | lunitik: X10 was about as different from X11 as X11R4 was from X11R5 :P |
| 16:21.17 | lunitik | pipeline: They should name X11R7.2 X12 just for kicks imo |
| 16:21.28 | xingu | rox: replace log5 with local5 |
| 16:21.35 | xingu | rox: then repeat your testcase |
| 16:21.39 | lunitik | They ARE adding a bunch of security mechanisms, so they might as well |
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| 16:21.45 | pipeline | lunitik: Knowing the X.org fags, they'll probably skip further than that. X60 wooooo! |
| 16:22.02 | azeem | pipeline: watch your mouth |
| 16:22.46 | lunitik | Way too serious ALL the time :/ |
| 16:22.56 | abrotman | not at all |
| 16:22.58 | tralala | 65 years ago |
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| 16:23.43 | xingu | wols: opal looks interesting, thanks for the pointer; something to witter away an afternoon with |
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| 16:24.19 | lunitik | abrotman: not too serious... or not ever joked around? |
| 16:24.30 | findme | abrotman, abrotman ++ |
| 16:24.48 | abrotman | lunitik: drop it |
| 16:24.54 | roxy_ | xingu: I got no error message now, but I was expecting to see a file /var/log/local5.log ... |
| 16:25.12 | xingu | rox: syslogd will never create a new logfile; you get to do that with "touch" |
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| 16:25.34 | r3c4ll | how i can update my system (etch) without update a specific package? |
| 16:25.35 | lunitik | wanders too* |
| 16:25.50 | roxy_ | xingu: thanks for your help |
| 16:25.52 | xingu | rox: you'll need to send it another -HUP (or use the init script's restart action) once you have |
| 16:26.03 | tralala | r3c4ll: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 16:26.04 | pumpkin0 | r3c4ll: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 16:26.27 | Eulex | !tell r3c4ll about hold |
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| 16:26.54 | earthian | !tell me about hold too :) |
| 16:26.57 | xingu | rox: the syslog facilities are predefined; they are symbolic names for the corresponding integer in the protcol spec; I think there's a usr/include/syslog.h or similar that should have the valid names |
| 16:27.06 | asg | earthian: you can also /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:27.08 | xingu | rox: failing that, see the libc (secn 3?) manpage |
| 16:27.09 | abrotman | !tell earthian about selftell |
| 16:27.10 | r3c4ll | for example if an "aptitude update;aptitude upgrade" command (in etch) say me that gona update x x1 x2 and x3 packages how i can upgrade all except x2? |
| 16:27.14 | VarCon | quick question,..... I put Ubuntu on my laptop.... |
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| 16:27.27 | VarCon | I have an HP with Biometrics... is it possible to use the biometrics with Ubuntu? |
| 16:27.29 | pumpkin0 | VarCon: quick answer: this is debian |
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| 16:27.35 | abrotman | VarCon: try #ubuntu |
| 16:27.36 | Eulex | r3c4ll, dpkg told you how. |
| 16:27.38 | asg | VarCon: dunno, check #ubuntu |
| 16:27.44 | xingu | rox: ie for linux's man-db, man 3 syslog |
| 16:27.49 | VarCon | already in there... nobody answering.. just laughing. |
| 16:27.56 | abrotman | tough shit |
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| 16:28.07 | asg | VarCon: then check tuxmobile.org to see if your model is listed and has notes |
| 16:28.07 | VarCon | blow me. |
| 16:28.08 | abrotman | we do not support ubuntu |
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| 16:28.11 | r3c4ll | Eulex and you? can tell me more fast ;)? |
| 16:29.42 | alexxio | hey i'm new about debian. i've got an offline computer with debian server (the minimal installation) just installed and now i have to install php5 without connecting. i should download now all the packages i will need for offline installing. can you help me understading what are the dependencies of php5? i successfully installed apache2 from the installation cd. can you help? |
| 16:30.09 | Eulex | alexxio, you've already been told. |
| 16:30.12 | Braindead | alexxio: apt-zip |
| 16:30.25 | mranderson | does anyone there has experience making RAID full bootable? |
| 16:30.34 | mranderson | using mdadm? |
| 16:30.45 | earthian | i made it with dmraid |
| 16:30.47 | earthian | :/ |
| 16:30.52 | r3c4ll | mranderson, via chipset only ;) |
| 16:31.09 | r3c4ll | mranderson, but etch installation make it ease |
| 16:31.18 | r3c4ll | mranderson, via kernel |
| 16:31.20 | mranderson | it was working fine, but one disk die |
| 16:31.43 | alexxio | sorry, can you be more clear? what's apt-zip? |
| 16:31.52 | mranderson | I got a new one, bigger I can add it to the RAID but I cannot make it bootable |
| 16:32.04 | Aim_Here | alexxio, try 'man apt-zip' |
| 16:32.09 | Braindead | alexxio: aptitude shot apt-zip and remember google is your friend |
| 16:32.37 | mranderson | when I try to install GRUB on the new disk a get Error 15: File not found |
| 16:32.38 | war95 | mranderson: I have |
| 16:33.00 | tralala | Braindead: shot?! Come on, try with good first. |
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| 16:33.20 | earthian | hm... i used to get that error on my bootable raid0 when i left savedefault in menu.lst of grub |
| 16:33.46 | earthian | after removing it everything boots. |
| 16:33.53 | Braindead | tralala: sorry? |
| 16:34.01 | mranderson | the thing is that to make it bootable I need to install GRUB on it but I can't |
| 16:34.03 | xingu | software raid and boot volumes... *shudder* |
| 16:34.11 | war95 | xingu: it works well |
| 16:34.14 | war95 | xingu: w/RAID1 anyway |
| 16:34.22 | tralala | 19:33 < Braindead> alexxio: aptitude shot apt-zip and remember google is your friend |
| 16:34.27 | war95 | mranderson: its possible to do it with grub but I hear there are some issues |
| 16:34.29 | mranderson | maybe I missed some step |
| 16:34.32 | war95 | marcels: it works well with lilo |
| 16:34.34 | asg | Braindead: aptitude show ... |
| 16:34.40 | war95 | mranderson: and keep in mind you cannot boot from a raid5 |
| 16:34.40 | Braindead | ewww |
| 16:34.42 | mranderson | yeah, I'm using RAID1 |
| 16:34.46 | wols | mranderson: either a grub file or a file mentioned in menu.lst (a kernel) isn't found |
| 16:34.56 | alexxio | aptitude shot is a command?? |
| 16:34.58 | wols | are all the kernells in menu.lst there and spelled out correctly? |
| 16:35.04 | tralala | alexxio: it's show |
| 16:35.06 | asg | alexxio: no, aptitude show is what he meant |
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| 16:35.21 | xingu | war95: right up to the point where the soft-error you made that knackered your boot environment also takes out its perfect replica on the other side of the mirror? |
| 16:35.29 | Braindead | I blame bash completion! that made me a lazy bastard prone to Freudian lapsuses |
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| 16:35.49 | mranderson | the thing is I don't have anything on that disk, I just partitioned and formatted it |
| 16:35.51 | war95 | xingu: Ive tested it, and yes |
| 16:35.56 | alexxio | i'm looking in google but i will have some question :P |
| 16:35.57 | war95 | xingu: the kernel kicks the bad drive out of the array |
| 16:36.11 | qamar | hello |
| 16:36.13 | wols | mranderson: then why do you want to install grub? |
| 16:36.14 | r3c4ll | for example if an "aptitude update;aptitude upgrade" command (in etch) say me that gona update x x1 x2 and x3 packages how i can upgrade all except x2? via aptitude and not via dpkg directly? |
| 16:36.31 | pumpkin0 | r3c4ll: put x2 on hold |
| 16:36.36 | wols | !hold |
| 16:36.36 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 16:36.40 | Braindead | r3c4ll: which part of HOLD you didn't get? |
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| 16:36.43 | mranderson | I have a degraded RAID and I'm adding a new DISK to replace the bad one |
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| 16:36.52 | r3c4ll | pumpkin0, via aptitud? |
| 16:36.52 | xingu | war95: you're not thinking about what I'm saying; I understand how software raid works, I also understand how boot volumes work, and finally I grok that the more common fubar is that your perfectly working pair of disks have been fat fingered by the admin |
| 16:36.59 | pumpkin0 | r3c4ll: yes. |
| 16:37.03 | qamar | does anyone know how i can set a different wallpaper in TWM? I have read and searched the twm(1) man page without any clues. |
| 16:37.03 | mranderson | I want it to make it bootable from both disks |
| 16:37.03 | Braindead | dpkg: tell r3c4ll about aptitude |
| 16:37.15 | asg | qamar: Esetroot |
| 16:37.25 | war95 | xingu: ..if you want something done right you need to do it yourself |
| 16:37.29 | xingu | war95: if you have two boot environments, your boot from the fat fingered one will fail; leaving you with an opportunity to rescue by booting from a discrete, second one. |
| 16:37.30 | qamar | asg ok :P |
| 16:37.31 | war95 | xingu: nad test + verify it |
| 16:37.40 | war95 | ah |
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| 16:37.43 | war95 | I only have 1 boot environemnt |
| 16:37.48 | qamar | ahlfors i have to, unless you know something even more lightweight :p |
| 16:37.53 | xingu | war95: which buys you the benefit of raid1 into the bargain |
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| 16:38.12 | xingu | ie, redundancy for the less common failure mode, of a failed disk. |
| 16:38.15 | asg | qamar: fluxbox is pretty lightweight. |
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| 16:38.28 | wols | qamar: ratpoison?. and if you need to be that lightweight: why do you have wallpapers? |
| 16:38.30 | ahlfors | mranderson, what is your question? |
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| 16:38.58 | qamar | wols because my eyes are hurting from watching the weird gray/black stippled background |
| 16:39.08 | ahlfors | I think qamar wants to be able to say "look my TWM is teh pimped lol bbq!" |
| 16:39.10 | qamar | mee eeyes! |
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| 16:39.22 | Braindead | qamar: open some xterms to cover the bg |
| 16:39.27 | asg | qamar: if you just want a color and not an image, xsetroot will work also |
| 16:39.31 | mranderson | ahlfors, I think that after I partitioned and formatted the disk I want to add to the RAId I have to do something else befor I can install GRUB on it, but not sure what |
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| 16:39.49 | war95 | mranderson: want to know a trick? |
| 16:39.53 | war95 | mranderson: you need to install it on both drives |
| 16:39.56 | war95 | because it is not a true HW raid |
| 16:39.56 | qamar | asg ok even better |
| 16:40.28 | alexxio | question: the command is: apt-zip-list --packages=packg1,pack2,pack3 --medium=/mnt/point so what is the package name if i want to install php5 and php5-xml extensions, php5-pear??? |
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| 16:40.46 | wols | war95: that's what he's trying to do, duh! |
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| 16:40.54 | Braindead | and also tail some random logs. it's ubercool and it will surely increase your chances of getting laid |
| 16:40.54 | ahlfors | xsetroot -solid purple |
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| 16:40.55 | mranderson | something like mounting something on it |
| 16:40.55 | ahlfors | mranderson, I'm trying to remember what I did, as I now run in the configuration you're talking about |
| 16:40.57 | Braindead | add in the mix come terms with cmatrix to be sure |
| 16:40.57 | Braindead | s/come/some |
| 16:40.57 | r3c4ll | Braindead, please can you tellme how, i promise read more about later but i hurry up with a server now and i found a bug with tzdata yesterday please... see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=391529 |
| 16:40.57 | Braindead | r3c4ll: no,you should die in pain. |
| 16:41.08 | Garda | why are there twice as many people here as #debian on irc.debian.org |
| 16:41.08 | war95 | mranderson: with LILO its simple |
| 16:41.21 | war95 | mranderson: why use grub? any reason? |
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| 16:41.33 | ahlfors | I think I just partitioned the two disks identically, built the array degraded and then installed on one of them, then I added the second disk |
| 16:41.39 | mranderson | the disk currently on the RAID is OK, I'm booting from it |
| 16:41.43 | Braindead | r3c4ll: dpkg already told you how to old on low level,anyway. if you wanna do it with aptitude read the man |
| 16:41.50 | lunitik | Garda: this used to be the official channel... Freenode is more popular, more other interesting projects on this server... |
| 16:41.53 | wols | r3c4ll: if you can't read what dpkg told you, how can you read what Braindead would tell you? |
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| 16:42.02 | mranderson | I just want to make the new one also bootable before I add it to the TRAID |
| 16:42.03 | asg | war95: grub is useful since it reads the menu.lst file at runtime. With lilo, if you screw up lilo.conf, you have to boot with a rescue disc to fix things. |
| 16:42.05 | ahlfors | As a test, unplug one of the drives and reboot |
| 16:42.22 | qamar | haha xsetroot has both -grey and -gray lol |
| 16:42.31 | r3c4ll | wols, pleaseeeeeeeeee i speak spanish not english good |
| 16:42.37 | ahlfors | If it is currently mirrored to the bootable one, has identical partition table, and has grub on its MBR, you're all set |
| 16:42.48 | Braindead | !tell r3c4ll about hold |
| 16:42.53 | mranderson | I did that test and boots, but always from the disk 0 |
| 16:42.53 | wols | r3c4ll: and we don't speak spanish and would tell you the exactly fucking same as dpkg already told you! |
| 16:42.53 | Braindead | !tell r3c4ll about es |
| 16:43.10 | ahlfors | mranderson, if you remove disk 0, I guarantee it won't boot from that disk |
| 16:43.28 | mranderson | that's what I'm trying but I cannot install GRUB in the new one because I get Error 15: File not found |
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| 16:43.50 | wols | mranderson: are the grub stage 1.5 and stage 2 files present on the disk? |
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| 16:44.00 | ahlfors | mranderson, that's a grub error? The best way to install grub is probably from within grub |
| 16:44.03 | mranderson | in the new one, no |
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| 16:44.11 | mranderson | how do I get them there |
| 16:44.18 | wols | mranderson: man cp |
| 16:44.21 | ahlfors | Also, is /boot on the mirrored disk? |
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| 16:44.42 | mranderson | the new one is no yet in the mirror |
| 16:44.43 | wols | mranderson: you need to copy your full /boot |
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| 16:45.03 | wols | mranderson: is the /boot inside the raid? |
| 16:45.09 | edytt | i want ath_pci to be loaded automatic. instead of having to type sudo modprobe ath_pci whenever i need to use my wlan |
| 16:45.18 | ahlfors | To do what you're trying, you want /boot to be in the raid |
| 16:45.20 | wols | edytt: /etc/modutils/ |
| 16:45.25 | war95 | and make sure its ext2/3 |
| 16:45.27 | asg | edytt: echo ath_pci >> /etc/modules |
| 16:45.39 | astronaute | hey guys |
| 16:46.15 | astronaute | its possible to use konqueror as "root" without having to logout user session ? |
| 16:46.26 | astronaute | something like su for console |
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| 16:46.42 | Braindead | !tell astronaute about sux |
| 16:46.43 | mranderson | OK, I have on disk (hdc1) currently in the RAID I partitioned and formatted disk1 (hdd) like the other one |
| 16:47.01 | edytt | asg: how to use it now? |
| 16:47.02 | Braindead | astronaute: kdesu also |
| 16:47.08 | wols | mranderson: is /boot inside the raid? |
| 16:47.36 | mranderson | hdc1 is currently in the RAID and booting |
| 16:47.54 | mranderson | how do I copy /boot and everything I need to hdd1? |
| 16:47.59 | wols | mranderson: answer my question and not questions you make up! |
| 16:47.59 | ahlfors | So your RAID is currently degraded with 1/2 disks? |
| 16:48.06 | mranderson | yes |
| 16:48.07 | qamar | i dont remember but wasnt ‰.xinitrcthe startup file? |
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| 16:48.21 | earthian | erm... who made dpkg bot? |
| 16:48.26 | qamar | .xinitrc even |
| 16:48.35 | earthian | :D |
| 16:48.38 | earthian | !swat |
| 16:48.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, swat is Special Weapons And Tactics or A Web based administrative tool for SAMBA or what dbn.net needs; right upside the head with a clue-by-four. a device for killing flies with, or apt-get install swat, enable it in /etc/inetd.conf if necessary, '/etc/init.d/inetd reload', then point your web browser to http://localhost:901/ |
| 16:48.40 | azeem | earthian: it's a blootbot |
| 16:48.40 | earthian | <3 |
| 16:48.46 | ahlfors | okay is /boot stored on the RAID or not? |
| 16:49.03 | mranderson | yes |
| 16:49.10 | earthian | well... its pretty funny and i like it |
| 16:49.11 | ahlfors | okay, you should do these steps: |
| 16:49.12 | earthian | :P |
| 16:49.31 | ahlfors | 1) make sure the second disk is identically partitioned |
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| 16:49.36 | mranderson | it is |
| 16:49.48 | ahlfors | 2) activate the second disk as part of the array, and wait for it to be mirrored |
| 16:50.10 | ahlfors | 3) reboot and use grub (loading from first disk) to install the grub loader on the second disk |
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| 16:50.30 | ahlfors | 4) disconnect first disk and confirm that booting from second disk works |
| 16:50.31 | mranderson | ok, I did that before but faulted because I couldn't install GRUB while being in the RAID |
| 16:50.40 | astronaute | Braindead: thx, ive isntalled it, but what now ^^ |
| 16:50.51 | Braindead | astronaute: RTFM? |
| 16:50.59 | astronaute | Braindead: i suppose |
| 16:51.01 | astronaute | =) |
| 16:51.01 | ahlfors | You should be installing grub from within grub, before linux or the raid even loads |
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| 16:51.19 | mranderson | so you're telling me that could Install GRUB on hdd while it's in the RAID? |
| 16:51.36 | wols | mranderson: there is no RAID yet while you're in grub |
| 16:52.08 | wols | ahlfors: he means directly after BIOS, at the time when you usually select the linux to boot from grub menu |
| 16:52.15 | wols | there you isntall grub on the 2nd HDD too |
| 16:52.24 | ahlfors | mranderson, I didn't say anything about that. Maybe you could with grub-install or some crap. But the "right" way to install grub is to do it from grub! |
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| 16:53.01 | mranderson | ok, I'm gong to add hdd1 again to the RAID and after they are synch I'll try installinf GRUB on it, it's that correct? |
| 16:53.11 | ahlfors | The grub command is "setup DRIVE", e.g. "setup (hd0)", but RTFM to get it right |
| 16:53.24 | wols | mranderson: no. you REBOOT and install grub to the 2nd hdd from inside grub itself |
| 16:53.34 | edytt | asg: So next question, when scanning for a wlan, iwlist eth1 scan, i want to get assigned to the one with best quality. so ESSID gets added to one variable, and Quality gets added to another variable, and in the process, check if new Quality is better than last quality. What command do i want to look at to be able to grep 'em during the same command. ? |
| 16:53.52 | mranderson | yeah, that command is the one that's giving me the error 15 now |
| 16:54.15 | wols | mranderson: but you execute it from inside linux? |
| 16:54.26 | mranderson | yes |
| 16:54.28 | edytt | asg? |
| 16:54.31 | wols | and you execute it on a EMPTY hdd1, but it shoulodn't be empty |
| 16:54.45 | mranderson | I did this: grub |
| 16:54.48 | wols | and you should execute it when there is NO LINUX KENREL LOADED YET |
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| 16:54.53 | mranderson | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.58 | mranderson | grub> root (hd0,0) |
| 16:55.00 | wols | mranderson: you don't need to call grub |
| 16:55.09 | mranderson | and this grub> setup (hd0) give me the error |
| 16:55.13 | HNT | Does anybody know how to run compiz (from the apt) with KDE |
| 16:55.17 | HNT | ? |
| 16:55.20 | ahlfors | mranderson, reboot and install grub from within grub |
| 16:55.31 | wols | mranderson: what happens DIRECTLY after your BIOS is done when booting? |
| 16:56.04 | mranderson | right now I'm booting OK from hdc |
| 16:56.16 | wols | answer my question please. what happens? |
| 16:56.18 | abrotman | HNT: did oyu read the docs yet ? |
| 16:56.22 | mranderson | that's it from the only disk currently on the RAID |
| 16:56.32 | wols | mranderson: answer my question dammit! |
| 16:56.33 | qamar | xsetroot -solid yellow // best |
| 16:56.49 | mranderson | what do you mean from inside GRUB |
| 16:57.01 | xingu | xsetroot -solid soylentgreen |
| 16:57.03 | wols | mranderson: answer my question or do it alone |
| 16:57.28 | wols | 18:55 < wols> mranderson: what happens DIRECTLY after your BIOS is done when booting? |
| 16:57.30 | qamar | xingu unkown colour :( |
| 16:57.30 | mranderson | wols, I said I'm bpoting now from disk hdc |
| 16:57.41 | wols | 18:55 < wols> mranderson: what happens DIRECTLY after your BIOS is done when booting? |
| 16:57.44 | HNT | abrotman : I read the doc in /usr/share/doc but I didn't foud any solution |
| 16:57.44 | wols | describe it |
| 16:57.46 | mranderson | wols, it loads linux from hdc |
| 16:57.55 | abrotman | HNT: which doc? |
| 16:58.02 | wols | mranderson: no grub menu where you can choose the kernel you want to run with? |
| 16:58.11 | edytt | Anyone? |
| 16:58.15 | mranderson | wols, the grub menu appears to boot from disk 0 or disk1 |
| 16:58.19 | astronaute | Braindead: ok iver ead man, it says that : "sux someuser" means taht "someuser" will have root rights, but when i type it, it ask me the password, so i put root pwd and it says login failure, if i put someuser password it works but i still cant use X as root |
| 16:58.27 | HNT | all documentation about compiz* |
| 16:58.41 | abrotman | and did oyu also ask #debian-kde ? |
| 16:58.43 | wols | mranderson: aha. and THAT is "inside grub". and THERE you can setup grub with setup(hdX) |
| 16:58.46 | edytt | when scanning for a wlan, iwlist eth1 scan, i want to get assigned to the one with best quality. so ESSID gets added to one variable, and Quality gets added to another variable, and in the process, check if new Quality is better than last quality. What command do i want to look at to be able to grep 'em during the same command. ? |
| 16:58.55 | HNT | no I will try |
| 16:59.04 | mranderson | wols, how ? |
| 16:59.09 | wols | mranderson: but only AFTER the raid array has mirrored itself |
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| 16:59.19 | wols | mranderson: read grub-doc, press c |
| 16:59.32 | wols | mranderson: it's clearly displayed if you'd actually READ it |
| 16:59.35 | mranderson | wols, Ok i'm going to add hdd1 to the raid again |
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| 17:00.48 | mranderson | wols, I already mirrored hdd1, then I replaced hdc1 with another disk a bigger one like hdd1 |
| 17:00.49 | HNT | abrotman : the debian-kde chanel seems to be dead |
| 17:00.53 | mranderson | it didn't boot |
| 17:01.11 | Braindead | astronaute: dpkg also told you about this http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ |
| 17:01.17 | ahlfors | DO NOT REPLACE HDC just boot without it |
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| 17:01.27 | abrotman | HNT: they usually are around |
| 17:01.36 | wols | mr cause you fucked up your grub install. simply mirroring a partition is not enough for a bootloaded. you need to mirror MBR too |
| 17:01.47 | mranderson | hdc is disk0 the BIOS doesn't let me discconect it |
| 17:02.03 | ahlfors | physically disconnect it! |
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| 17:02.31 | mranderson | BIOS doesn't pass if I disconnect phisically disk0 |
| 17:02.35 | qamar | asg ahlfors thanks |
| 17:02.35 | wols | mranderson: the bios grabs you by the arm and won't let you remove the powerplug/SATA connector on it? |
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| 17:02.37 | mranderson | I tried it |
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| 17:02.47 | ahlfors | take the drive out, walk over to your neighbor's house, put it in his desk drawer |
| 17:02.51 | mranderson | yeah |
| 17:03.10 | wols | mranderson: what is on hda? |
| 17:03.10 | Halifax | whooo 666 nicks here... it's bad omen for me |
| 17:03.14 | mranderson | this was done before, but not by me |
| 17:03.31 | xingu | I'd pay good money for a bios with that feature |
| 17:03.31 | wols | mranderson: what is on hda? |
| 17:03.31 | mranderson | I don't have a hda |
| 17:03.40 | Halifax | i try and install debian "sarge" on a SATA drive (kernel: 2.6.8) |
| 17:03.46 | xingu | especially if there was LOM integration |
| 17:03.51 | wols | mranderson: then why can't you make your RADI with HDA and HDC? |
| 17:03.58 | Halifax | the installer doesn't see my sata-drive |
| 17:04.12 | Halifax | dmesg show nothing about disk or controler |
| 17:04.19 | wols | Halifax: what chipset? |
| 17:04.28 | Halifax | how do i know ? |
| 17:04.34 | wols | lspci |
| 17:04.42 | Halifax | lspci doesnt work |
| 17:04.47 | Halifax | cat /proc/ ??? |
| 17:04.48 | wols | or you should know what cpu or mobo you have |
| 17:05.01 | mranderson | I don't know, it was working with hdc and hdd I just want to replace the failed disk with a bigger one and then replace hdc with another of the same size of teh new one |
| 17:05.13 | Halifax | athlon cpu with Ali chipset |
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| 17:05.27 | wols | Halifax: 64bit? |
| 17:05.30 | mog | hi |
| 17:05.33 | Halifax | wols: yes |
| 17:05.43 | wols | !tell halifax about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 17:05.45 | mog | how do i generate an xorg.conf file? |
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| 17:05.51 | wols | use that installed, or use an etch one |
| 17:05.53 | ahlfors | don't replace anything. you just want to make sure it boots if one of the drives is missing |
| 17:05.58 | mog | i dont have one to run aticonfig on it |
| 17:06.05 | wols | !tell mog about drxx |
| 17:06.22 | wols | ahlfors: if his bios won't boot when hdc is missing? |
| 17:06.41 | ahlfors | then his bios is a POS |
| 17:06.45 | mog | how can i tell if im using xorg or xfree86 ? |
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| 17:06.58 | mranderson | someone before did that, but he doesn't work here anymore |
| 17:07.00 | wols | ahlfors: pretty much ALL BIOSes are cranky if there is no master only a slave on the ide channel |
| 17:07.14 | mranderson | we already grew the mirror once |
| 17:07.21 | mranderson | and it was done in that order |
| 17:07.49 | wols | mog: sarge or etch? |
| 17:07.54 | ahlfors | What happens if you remove one drive and make the other one the master? |
| 17:08.03 | mranderson | i'm adding hdd1 to the mirror maybe after that I can install GRUB on hdd |
| 17:08.15 | mog | wols: sarge |
| 17:08.22 | wols | mog: xfree86 |
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| 17:08.26 | mog | ahh thanx pal |
| 17:08.31 | Halifax | wols: all right, but for using apitude and packets, i should have a functionning system before |
| 17:08.45 | mranderson | ahlfors, I tried switching them when both were in the mirror and I got a blank screen after BIOS |
| 17:08.52 | wols | Halifax: read properly first. THEN complain |
| 17:09.03 | slept | the line-in/mic of my soundcard doesn't work the way it should... I can hear it on the speakers, but i can't record the input . I am using alsa on :Intel Corporation 82801G . |
| 17:09.08 | wols | mranderson: cause grub wasn't installed on both |
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| 17:09.25 | mranderson | that's what I'm thnking |
| 17:09.27 | Halifax | ok |
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| 17:09.42 | wols | mranderson: but it won't help you when one disk is gone like now |
| 17:09.50 | wols | at least not if the disk gone is hdc |
| 17:09.51 | mranderson | I just hope I can install GRUB on hdd after I mirror hdc to it |
| 17:10.07 | wols | slept: that's not your soundcard btw |
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| 17:10.24 | wols | slept: your soundcard is a AC97 with i810 driver |
| 17:10.50 | slept | ok, thats what lspci gave me |
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| 17:11.18 | prog | hello to all |
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| 17:11.42 | prog | i need to access mysql database server from chroot() environment. is this possible ? |
| 17:11.52 | abrotman | by tcp maybe |
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| 17:12.03 | wols | prog: sure. if mysql has its unix socket inside the chroot |
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| 17:13.18 | abrotman | my idea was better! |
| 17:13.36 | wols | yeah right.... mysql via tcp port... |
| 17:14.05 | wols | abrotman: spammers and botnet masters will give you a citation any minute now |
| 17:14.09 | prog | mysql via inet socket is better for me ... but how can i persuade mysql binary to use inet socket type ? |
| 17:14.15 | abrotman | wols: how from the chroot will he get to the socket outside the chroot ? |
| 17:14.22 | mirak | hi |
| 17:14.28 | slept | wols, thanks - now google is helping me again |
| 17:14.34 | wols | abrotman: the place for the socket is freely choosable no? |
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| 17:14.45 | blondie | OH I JUST GOT IT |
| 17:14.47 | mirak | when I try to schroot or chroot I got an error like can't exec bash, permission not allowed |
| 17:14.51 | abrotman | wols: maybe .. |
| 17:14.51 | blondie | wols is slow backwards |
| 17:14.54 | mirak | what can be the reason ? |
| 17:14.59 | abrotman | wols: i avoid mysql :) |
| 17:15.01 | wols | blondie: and you're wrong |
| 17:15.13 | wols | blondie: it should be actually WOLS, but that's bad in irc |
| 17:15.16 | blondie | wols: "wols" is "slow" backwards |
| 17:15.29 | abrotman | he's a WAKE ON-LAN SIR! |
| 17:15.36 | blondie | o.o |
| 17:15.45 | wols | blondie: just like blondie is a bad 80s singer. you're no 80s singer either |
| 17:15.49 | blondie | does he have an ethernet cable for a tail? |
| 17:15.53 | ahlfors | haha, I should change my nick to "ecnalubma" |
| 17:15.59 | blondie | wols: no, blondie was a band |
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| 17:16.09 | wols | whatever |
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| 17:16.17 | prog | wols, mysql -h 127.0.0.1 -- its simple :-) ... do you know how it is posiible to do in in php.ini ? |
| 17:16.19 | wols | my nick comes from a dead painter |
| 17:16.24 | blondie | slow |
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| 17:16.50 | Halifax | ok, i download another installer. I'll give a try in one hour , when it'll be here |
| 17:16.50 | wols | and apparently it'S also a normal name in netherlands |
| 17:16.59 | Halifax | thank for the pointers |
| 17:17.09 | abrotman | guess where my nick comes from!!! |
| 17:17.20 | wols | prog: iirc my.cnf has a setting for tcp port. dunno about php |
| 17:17.29 | ahlfors | abrotman, you're a german guy made out of bread? |
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| 17:17.34 | blondie | abrot-man |
| 17:17.50 | blondie | Halifax is a bank |
| 17:18.19 | wols | blondie: guess where the bank got its name from... |
| 17:18.32 | blondie | from him? |
| 17:18.39 | abrotman | ahlfors: same guess as everyone else .. and no |
| 17:18.56 | blondie | he's made of gingerbread. |
| 17:19.21 | blondie | mmm gingerbread men! |
| 17:19.21 | wols | abrotman: you must be very tasty |
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| 17:19.48 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 17:19.49 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 17:20.17 | ahlfors | ok abrotman, is it more like "ab rot man" |
| 17:20.42 | wols | ahlfors: do you know the whois command? |
| 17:21.01 | Charminthemoose | when i try to upgrade libc6,apt-get wants to remove base-config,initrd tools and my 2.4 and 2.6 kernels.why? |
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| 17:21.13 | ahlfors | wols, that would be too easy |
| 17:21.19 | Charminthemoose | what can i do to stop it? |
| 17:22.06 | abrotman | ahlfors: no .. it would make the game end |
| 17:22.06 | wols | Charminthemoose: why do you want to upgrade it? |
| 17:22.07 | Charminthemoose | so it's at it's newest version. |
| 17:22.07 | Charminthemoose | :) |
| 17:22.08 | wols | Charminthemoose: and what branch of debian and what kernel version? |
| 17:22.09 | Charminthemoose | can something go wrong if it is at it's newest version? |
| 17:22.17 | mirak | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied |
| 17:22.30 | mirak | anyone had this problem ever ? |
| 17:22.32 | wols | mirak: cause bash is not inside the chroot perhaps? |
| 17:22.35 | Charminthemoose | 3.1r3 and kernel is 2.6.18 |
| 17:22.59 | wols | you run sarge and a 2.6.18 kernel? custom or debian kernel? |
| 17:23.04 | mirak | wols: it's int it |
| 17:23.10 | Charminthemoose | debian kernel |
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| 17:23.21 | wols | mirak: and what perms for /bin and for /bin/bash? |
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| 17:23.41 | wols | Charminthemoose: I don't believe you. there is no 2.6.18 backport yet afaik |
| 17:23.41 | mirak | wols: in the chroot ? |
| 17:23.47 | wols | mirak: yes |
| 17:24.07 | mirak | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 2864 2006-10-06 21:31 bin/ |
| 17:24.07 | mirak | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 676836 2006-09-20 00:24 bin/bash |
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| 17:24.10 | wols | mirak: bash might depend on some libs too it needs |
| 17:24.12 | Charminthemoose | 2.6.8-2-686 sorry |
| 17:24.18 | abrotman | ahlfors: find it yet? |
| 17:24.35 | wols | Charminthemoose: update that kernel. it has security holes |
| 17:24.40 | ahlfors | ahlfors, find what? I saw your whois :( |
| 17:24.49 | wols | Charminthemoose: and where is it trying to get the new libc6 from? |
| 17:24.49 | Charminthemoose | and then? |
| 17:24.53 | abrotman | didn't that make it obvious ? |
| 17:24.58 | Charminthemoose | from stable |
| 17:25.03 | mirak | wols: like what ? how can know ? |
| 17:25.07 | ezu5t | hi - is there anyone out there who can take a look at the .deb file for jedit and tell me what is wrong with it? |
| 17:25.15 | ahlfors | I'm a bit wols on the uptake |
| 17:25.16 | wols | mirak: lddconfig bash |
| 17:25.17 | ezu5t | i'm trying to fix it now |
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| 17:25.57 | peppet | mirak: ldd /bin/bash |
| 17:26.05 | wols | peppet: thanks. mea culpa |
| 17:26.08 | ezu5t | http://lazarus.oddiofile.com/workspace/plugins/jEdit-trunk/package-files/linux/deb/ |
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| 17:26.23 | peppet | wols: :) |
| 17:26.31 | ahlfors | Do most distributions include a statically-linked shell somewhere as a safety net? |
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| 17:26.54 | smax | hi |
| 17:26.55 | wols | ahlfors: no. busybox in debian is a fairly recent thing. didn't think woody had it |
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| 17:27.21 | smax | i would like to disable apple talk at boot time. a redundant service. where are such configurations stored? |
| 17:27.30 | smax | are those rc*.d files ? |
| 17:27.45 | ahlfors | wols, ahhhh busybox. Think I'll install it now, to be cautious |
| 17:27.49 | wols | !tell smax about sysvinit |
| 17:28.00 | smax | thanx wols |
| 17:28.01 | wols | ahlfors: already is since sarge iirc |
| 17:28.07 | Braindead | !tell smax about rcconf |
| 17:28.17 | smax | thanx Braindead |
| 17:28.41 | ahlfors | wols, I run sid and just checked, it isn't installed. (and sid makes me especially likely to need busybox, right?) |
| 17:28.43 | mirak | wols: I don't anything special |
| 17:29.27 | Charminthemoose | so i'd have to update the kernel by compiling it? |
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| 17:29.59 | valdyn | ahlfors: a livecd should be much more useful than basybox |
| 17:30.01 | mirak | mmm maybe I don't mount with exec permissions |
| 17:30.03 | valdyn | ahlfors: a livecd should be much more useful than busybox |
| 17:30.10 | ma3x | i really dont understand this: im trying to mv a directory and it says permission denied. drwxr-xr-x 2 ma3x ma3x 4.0K 2006-10-06 13:46 firewire |
| 17:30.13 | ma3x | what's wrong with that? |
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| 17:30.14 | Braindead | Charminthemoose: no,there are kernel images kindly provided by the security team ... security.debian.org |
| 17:30.17 | ahlfors | valdyn, does that mean I should have two? ;) |
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| 17:30.57 | valdyn | ahlfors: not really, you should know how to get one taht supports your hardware |
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| 17:31.26 | mirak | wols: the reason was I didn't mounted with exec perms |
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| 17:31.44 | bsmntbombdood | My sound stopped working |
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| 17:31.49 | ahlfors | valdyn, I have a couple of knoppixes around, but while I'm worrying about recovery, what's a good livecd for recovery purposes? |
| 17:32.12 | valdyn | ahlfors: knoppix is as good as any, just contains way more stuff than needed for recovery |
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| 17:32.33 | bsmntbombdood | No idea why |
| 17:32.42 | wols | ahlfors: e debian livecd :) |
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| 17:32.57 | wols | bsmntbombdood: we neither |
| 17:33.30 | valdyn | ahlfors: mondo is better |
| 17:33.38 | bsmntbombdood | I don't know what to tell you, I was using whatever the defualt is |
| 17:33.49 | valdyn | ahlfors: for a generic livecd i wouldnt know how one could be better |
| 17:34.08 | ma3x | hello, anybody can answer my question? |
| 17:34.12 | wols | bsmntbombdood: for starters what debian you run, what you did prior to it stopping working. that kind of thing |
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| 17:34.47 | Rusty1 | ahlfors: http://www.e-fense.com/helix/ |
| 17:34.50 | bsmntbombdood | I'm running etch, and it happened right after I rebooted |
| 17:34.50 | icebit | who drink alcohol now? |
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| 17:35.09 | icebit | who love beer? |
| 17:35.15 | wols | bsmntbombdood: what did you before you rebooted. what did you install since last reboot for example |
| 17:35.18 | Braindead | who doesn't? |
| 17:35.20 | valdyn | !tell icebit -about polls |
| 17:35.26 | ahlfors | looks like knoppix 3.6 is the most recent one I have now |
| 17:35.42 | bsmntbombdood | The error mplayer gives is "Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound." |
| 17:36.06 | ma3x | i really dont understand this: im trying to mv a directory and it says permission denied. drwxr-xr-x 2 ma3x ma3x 4.0K 2006-10-06 13:46 firewire |
| 17:36.16 | valdyn | bsmntbombdood: cat /proc/asound/devices |
| 17:36.17 | icebit | alcohol, beer, wine, vodka? who drink? programmers? system administrators? |
| 17:36.32 | valdyn | icebit: no, no one drinks |
| 17:36.41 | wols | !tell icebit about OT |
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| 17:37.02 | bsmntbombdood | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/194214 |
| 17:37.59 | wols | bsmntbombdood: will other programs work with sound? or only mplayer? |
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| 17:38.02 | valdyn | bsmntbombdood: tried 'mplayer -ao alsa foo.avi' yet? |
| 17:38.07 | bsmntbombdood | no |
| 17:38.16 | valdyn | bsmntbombdood: go ahead try |
| 17:38.32 | tarzeau | icebit: better if you put the alcohol into the woman |
| 17:39.06 | wols | tarzeau: don't feed them. it'S almsot sunday anyways |
| 17:39.13 | bsmntbombdood | valdyn: Doesn't work |
| 17:39.15 | ahlfors | you have it all wrong. you put the lime in the coconut |
| 17:39.29 | valdyn | bsmntbombdood: thats a pretty bad problem description, try again |
| 17:39.49 | icebit | tarzeau: :) |
| 17:39.58 | bsmntbombdood | valdyn: I get the same error |
| 17:40.13 | icebit | tarzeau: you drink? with you friend in internet? |
| 17:40.20 | valdyn | bsmntbombdood: ls -l /dev/snd |
| 17:40.29 | tarzeau | icebit: gee you're hilarious |
| 17:40.36 | tarzeau | icebit: yes we drink, together in bed |
| 17:40.53 | icebit | tarzeau: and? |
| 17:41.01 | bsmntbombdood | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/194217 |
| 17:41.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: why the hell would you do that? |
| 17:41.09 | icebit | tarzeau: drink vodka? or beer, wine? |
| 17:41.14 | abrotman | icebit: STOP |
| 17:41.24 | dottedmag | kill him. he is trolling in #debian-russian also |
| 17:41.25 | valdyn | bsmntbombdood: type 'groups' |
| 17:41.48 | ahlfors | My system has accumulated lots of cruft. Is there a one-liner to find which installed debs are using the most space, so I can pick out the ones I don't need? |
| 17:41.48 | bsmntbombdood | valdyn: "gavin subversion" |
| 17:41.53 | icebit | aborotman: ok |
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| 17:41.56 | ahlfors | (yes I know about deborphan, no it isn't what I want) |
| 17:42.00 | edytt | Can someone tell me how to setup a crontab? |
| 17:42.07 | valdyn | bsmntbombdood: 'adduser <you> audio', then log out and back in |
| 17:42.19 | icebit | aborotman: you member of group of sobriety? |
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| 17:42.54 | edytt | I did man cron |
| 17:42.54 | tralala | edytt: what do you want to setup exactly? |
| 17:42.55 | bsmntbombdood | valdyn: Will opening a new xterm work? |
| 17:42.58 | edytt | but I dont understand it |
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| 17:43.01 | valdyn | bsmntbombdood: no |
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| 17:43.06 | bsmntbombdood | ugh ok |
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| 17:43.26 | peppet | edytt: man 5 crontab |
| 17:43.38 | Vitux | cd /etc/cron.<daily/hourly/weekly> make a bash script chmod +x it and your done |
| 17:43.38 | valdyn | bsmntbombdood: 'su - name' or 'sux - name' would work |
| 17:43.46 | ezu5t | if any of you would like to help us fix the broken debian package for jedit (www.jedit.org), please join us in #jedit. |
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| 17:44.11 | Anarka | edytt how you should write the line in cron ? |
| 17:44.19 | Anarka | edytt the format |
| 17:44.28 | ahlfors | actually, /var/cache/apt/archives contains a bunch of crap I haven't had installed in ages. How can I remove some of those? apt-get autoclean didn't do it! |
| 17:44.37 | edytt | Can you tell me how please? |
| 17:44.40 | edytt | more details? |
| 17:44.41 | Anarka | apt-get clean |
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| 17:44.54 | Anarka | edytt http://anarka.org/~anarka/cron.txt see if that makes more sense |
| 17:45.17 | bsmntbombdood | valdyn: Works now, thanks |
| 17:45.29 | ahlfors | I'm not sure I want to remove everything! |
| 17:45.33 | astronaute | for photoshop on debian, wine xwine or VMWare ? |
| 17:45.43 | Anarka | edytt if you are creating a cron with a user forget about the user part |
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| 17:46.25 | ahlfors | actually maybe I do want apt-get clean. Once they're installed, there's no reason to keep them there, right? |
| 17:46.29 | Anarka | ahlfors well then just delete the ones you dont want :P |
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| 17:47.07 | ahlfors | Anarka, doesn't apt keep a record of what is there? will it complain if files mysteriously disappear? |
| 17:47.09 | Anarka | ahlfors sometimes there's a need... like you install a new version of something and it tries to destroy your box |
| 17:47.18 | Anarka | no it wont |
| 17:47.34 | ahlfors | Anarka, kthx |
| 17:47.44 | FernandoMM | Is someone here using initng on Debian Etch? Which version are you using? |
| 17:47.51 | Anarka | ahlfors how much is that dir taking ? |
| 17:48.04 | ahlfors | Anarka, about 2G, and that's after apt-get autoclean |
| 17:48.19 | Anarka | xiii |
| 17:48.46 | Anarka | 1.8G /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 17:48.47 | Anarka | cof |
| 17:48.50 | Anarka | clean away |
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| 17:51.06 | ahlfors | ha, I have mozilla installed. Why would anyone have mozilla installed? |
| 17:51.28 | Anarka | cause you LUV it ? |
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| 17:51.47 | ahlfors | I love it long time (ago) |
| 17:51.54 | Anarka | ;) |
| 17:51.59 | nearfar` | what is the command that switches to console? (analoges to C-M-F1) |
| 17:52.16 | peppet | nearfar`: chvt |
| 17:52.33 | nearfar` | peppet: that does't work in X11, it seems. |
| 17:53.13 | peppet | nearfar`: it does for me |
| 17:53.13 | nearfar` | srid@homeless:~$ chvt 1 |
| 17:53.14 | nearfar` | chvt: VT_ACTIVATE: Operation not permitted |
| 17:53.15 | Anarka | ctrl alt f1 then |
| 17:53.22 | peppet | nearfar`: try as root |
| 17:53.22 | nearfar` | Anarka: that doesn't work for some reason |
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| 17:53.36 | Gyuszk | hi |
| 17:53.39 | Gyuszk | <Gyuszk> Guys, does anyone have experience with ndiswrapper and that famous 4KSTACKS problem? |
| 17:53.49 | abrotman | #ndiswrapper might |
| 17:53.54 | Gyuszk | oKtosiTe, thanks |
| 17:53.58 | Gyuszk | oKtosiTe, thanks. |
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| 17:54.00 | Gyuszk | waaaa |
| 17:54.03 | Gyuszk | bye :) |
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| 17:54.26 | Tallu | Hello. I was having trouble with 'no screens found' earlier in xf86.. then I was having trouble with the vidcard not having enough memory. Now I wrote this config and would like to hear if it looks ok: http://pastebin.ca/194222 if it does i'll go and check with this |
| 17:55.05 | Hagbarddenstore | If I make my own Debian. Like a dsitro based on Sarge, changing some things. Would it still classify as a Debian system? |
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| 17:55.30 | fdas | hi |
| 17:55.34 | Hagbarddenstore | Hi there |
| 17:55.36 | fdas | thanks, k3b its working |
| 17:55.37 | fdas | :D |
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| 17:56.04 | fdas | but I saw a usb group in my /etc/group , whats the propouse of it? |
| 17:56.06 | thomasb | anyone know how to print an emacs buffer (including images such as and imath mode buffer) to a postscript file ? Or alternative how to create a default filter (for lpd) that prints to a postscript file rather then a printer. |
| 17:56.14 | Tallu | I'd just try it but the machine is an hour away from here and has no internet, it's for a friend, that's why I'd like thet comments beforehand |
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| 17:59.13 | FernandoMM | Why doesn't Debian Etch come with one of those "Universal Xorg Configuration" (that would work on almost all computers)? |
| 17:59.56 | abrotman | vesa ? |
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| 18:01.10 | FernandoMM | abrotman: now, i mean things like -> Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" and all mouse types already configured (UBS, ps/2, serial etc.) |
| 18:01.17 | FernandoMM | UBS = USB |
| 18:01.36 | abrotman | FernandoMM: ask the debian-x mailing list |
| 18:02.23 | FernandoMM | abrotman: i will probaly join it and ask. That would be much easier for someone that's trying to conf debian for the first time, right? |
| 18:02.32 | tarzeau | FernandoMM: it does? |
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| 18:02.51 | tarzeau | and vesa is shit for when you can use nv |
| 18:02.57 | abrotman | FernandoMM: it's a mailing list |
| 18:03.09 | tarzeau | unfortunately it choses vesa in some cases where nv works |
| 18:03.20 | FernandoMM | abrotman: i now, i meant join the mailing list |
| 18:03.36 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:03.37 | fdas | "ubuntu is killing debian!" is it true ? |
| 18:03.43 | abrotman | stop trolling |
| 18:03.48 | tarzeau | fdas: bullshit |
| 18:04.02 | tarzeau | fdas: look at popcon.ubuntu.com |
| 18:04.02 | fdas | why not? |
| 18:04.05 | tarzeau | and then at |
| 18:04.09 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:04.09 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:04.21 | tarzeau | fdas: because they have much less software? on much less architectures? |
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| 18:04.25 | tarzeau | and much less developers |
| 18:04.27 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 18:04.27 | dpkg | somebody said bugstats was http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 18:04.31 | abrotman | why is it even being discussed? |
| 18:04.46 | wols | cause tarzeau bit |
| 18:04.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: because nobody is here to kick ban him? |
| 18:04.48 | fdas | mmm |
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| 18:04.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: call ops .. |
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| 18:05.03 | tarzeau | !ops fdas is off-topic |
| 18:05.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: tarzeau complains about: fdas is off-topic |
| 18:05.07 | fdas | Ian Murdok say it |
| 18:05.15 | tarzeau | fdas: where? |
| 18:05.26 | h3sp4wn | fdas: Just another parasite leeching off the mana tree |
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| 18:05.39 | fdas | is ubuntu to bad? |
| 18:05.42 | peterS | fdas: ubuntu isn't killing debian |
| 18:05.49 | tarzeau | fdas: it just doesn't belong here |
| 18:05.50 | peterS | fdas: it _is_ offtopic in this channel, though |
| 18:06.00 | tarzeau | fdas: nobody in here uses or wants to talk about it here |
| 18:06.01 | fdas | where can I know the true? |
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| 18:06.10 | tarzeau | fdas: i told you the true |
| 18:06.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: you just did you tard |
| 18:06.17 | fdas | because I am to sad of that |
| 18:06.21 | mattl | ubuntu's not killing anything. ask Mark Shuttleworth - he said that Ubuntu relies on Debian. |
| 18:06.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: so where's the ops? |
| 18:06.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: you are the tard |
| 18:06.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you miss the one that was just talking ? |
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| 18:07.07 | fdas | yes but knoppix is based on debian, guadalinex and others cool distros, but just ubuntu its deprecated by debian people |
| 18:07.12 | tarzeau | !based on debian |
| 18:07.13 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 18:07.18 | abrotman | fdas: STOP |
| 18:07.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: try !ops |
| 18:07.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: there was just an op here .. you're not paying attention |
| 18:07.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: so that op is a lazy one? |
| 18:07.59 | abrotman | maybe .. ask him |
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| 18:08.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: like i keep track who is and who isn't? |
| 18:08.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: i care about people that get rid of problem people in here |
| 18:08.16 | wols | tarzeau: you have nothing else to do |
| 18:08.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: shut up already |
| 18:08.23 | fdas | yes, ubuntu channel say "whe are the best", guadalinex say "we are the best", debian don't wanna talk? what that means? |
| 18:08.27 | abrotman | fdas: SHUT UP |
| 18:08.33 | tarzeau | fdas: we say, debian is the best |
| 18:08.39 | tarzeau | fdas: NOW FUCK OFF |
| 18:08.40 | peterS | fdas: it means we like to ask and answer questions about Debian |
| 18:08.51 | peterS | fdas: not about Ubuntu of Kanotix or Lindows |
| 18:08.54 | fdas | its a debian question, are you afraid? |
| 18:09.03 | abrotman | troll |
| 18:09.20 | peterS | fdas: you've been asked to stop talking about Ubuntu several times now. please do that. |
| 18:09.26 | vin` | !badgerknoppix |
| 18:09.27 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 18:09.34 | tarzeau | vin`: ahhhh i missed that one :) |
| 18:09.37 | wols | peterS: ban him already, prettyplease? |
| 18:09.45 | fdas | can I talk about knoppix? xD |
| 18:09.48 | peterS | wols: I try to be nice |
| 18:09.48 | abrotman | NO |
| 18:09.50 | tarzeau | fdas: no, fuck off |
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| 18:09.58 | fdas | why dpkg can? |
| 18:10.10 | abrotman | fdas: you don't have anything better to do? |
| 18:10.11 | tarzeau | fdas: she is special |
| 18:10.15 | wols | peterS: appeasement to trolls is nevre a good idea |
| 18:10.18 | fdas | :O |
| 18:10.21 | vin` | fdas: noone in #knoppix? |
| 18:10.23 | abrotman | eh .. fdas seems to be a gentoo troll |
| 18:10.26 | fdas | how can I be special? :P |
| 18:10.38 | wols | fdas: by typing /lave |
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| 18:10.43 | abrotman | nice job wols |
| 18:10.44 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.52 | tarzeau | fdas: get lost |
| 18:11.15 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 18:11.15 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@189.134.25.68] by peterS |
| 18:11.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 18:11.17 | peterS | fdas: sit in this channel for awhile, watch and learn. someday you'll figure out how to be special |
| 18:11.26 | abrotman | short bus special? |
| 18:11.43 | peterS | abrotman: it's not nice to insult people who are +q, you know (: |
| 18:11.58 | abrotman | peterS: i didn't /ignore .. he could /msg to insult me if he wanted |
| 18:12.01 | FernandoMM | Does anyone know if it was already considered to Debian use boards instead of mailing lists? |
| 18:12.18 | vin` | FernandoMM: eh? |
| 18:12.20 | abrotman | FernandoMM: not everyone likes reading forums |
| 18:12.23 | peterS | FernandoMM: boards as in phpBB type of crap? |
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| 18:12.39 | vulture | now NNTP, that'd be one option, but mail seems to suffice |
| 18:12.43 | jelly-home | FernandoMM: that's pretty much the same thing but less readable. |
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| 18:12.55 | peterS | FernandoMM: most hackers hate web-based forums. it's mostly n00bs who like them. so we have forums.debian.net but very few people use it |
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| 18:13.20 | wols | is debianML accessible via gmane? |
| 18:13.20 | abrotman | ew |
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| 18:13.37 | peterS | wols: have you tried it? I'm pretty sure most of them are |
| 18:13.50 | jelly-home | FernandoMM: For me, it's much easier to follow the various threads of a discussion with a mail reader. |
| 18:13.56 | wols | peterS: I just goggled it but couldn't find it with cursory glance |
| 18:14.05 | abrotman | wols: i've seen them there |
| 18:14.12 | xtriox | hey guys how can I make the laptop to shutdown when closiing the lid? |
| 18:14.21 | valdyn | debianML can be seen on groups.google.com anyway |
| 18:14.24 | wols | FernandoMM: and forums are a big server/memory/cpu hog |
| 18:14.24 | abrotman | acpi actions ? |
| 18:14.30 | wols | compared to mailinglists and nntp |
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| 18:14.34 | xtriox | instead of suspend? I have ubunto which is a debian fork |
| 18:14.47 | FernandoMM | But i guess foruns are better for newbies, at least the ones that i talked they told me they would fell more confortable. What i was thinking was to move the support lists to boards (since beginners start here), and let the dev lists untouched |
| 18:14.50 | valdyn | xtriox: this channel does not support forks |
| 18:14.53 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 18:14.54 | dpkg | ubuntu is probably A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
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| 18:15.09 | xtriox | well they didnt know |
| 18:15.16 | wols | we don't either |
| 18:15.18 | valdyn | !they don't know |
| 18:15.18 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 18:15.21 | peterS | xtriox: we can't support ubuntu in here. lid closing event handling and software suspend are quite different in ubuntu |
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| 18:15.47 | peterS | big surprise, fdas left |
| 18:15.54 | xtriox | ok thanks |
| 18:16.01 | jelly-home | peterS: yeah, they _work_ there by default. :-) |
| 18:16.10 | abrotman | peterS: so did tarzeau .. coincidence?! |
| 18:16.21 | wols | !lart jelly-home |
| 18:16.30 | peterS | abrotman: he did? |
| 18:16.32 | wols | abrotman: is tarzeau mexican? |
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| 18:16.57 | peterS | wols: possibly but he speaks turkish and lives in switzerland |
| 18:17.00 | abrotman | wols: turk living in switzerland |
| 18:17.03 | vin` | wols: turkish swiss knife. |
| 18:17.06 | wols | tarzeau: hola! como estas? Un tequila por favor |
| 18:17.34 | nokrev | I'm just getting Debian for the first time, but I'm having a hard time getting my ethernet to work for the installer. I've tried DHCP and static IP on both eth0 and eth1 (both connected to the network), and none of those setups work. Any idea what I'm missing? |
| 18:18.15 | wols | nokrev: what NIC chips? |
| 18:18.32 | nokrev | wols: one is Broadcom, one is D-Link. Neither work. |
| 18:18.43 | abrotman | which dlink ? |
| 18:18.47 | wols | D-Link doesn't make chips. they only make shitty cards |
| 18:19.00 | nokrev | yeah, that one is the PCI one. The other is internal… |
| 18:19.03 | wols | and broadcom and linux drivers: baaaad combo |
| 18:19.11 | vin` | the older ones worked quite well. |
| 18:19.22 | jelly-home | tg3 works most of the time |
| 18:19.23 | vin` | not broadcom, bleh. |
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| 18:19.26 | nokrev | 01:09.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401 100Base-T (rev 01) |
| 18:19.31 | valdyn | nokrev: how do you know that giving static ip addresses didn't work? aren't you just giving the wrong adresses? |
| 18:19.32 | nokrev | this is a rather old one… hoping it might work |
| 18:19.32 | peterS | nokrev: the obvious first thing to try is installing with the 2.6.8 kernel instead of 2.4.27. if you haven't already. hit F3 at the initial Boot: prompt to see how |
| 18:20.14 | nokrev | valdyn: when I set it up with a static IP, the installer fails a few steps later trying to download from a mirror. |
| 18:20.32 | valdyn | nokrev: ok, so you dont really know if the error is on debian's side |
| 18:20.33 | nokrev | peterS: let me try that |
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| 18:20.49 | wols | nokrev: and what is the error you get with that static IP? |
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| 18:21.05 | valdyn | nokrev: run 'ifconfig' after you switched to a console via alt-f2, interfaces listed are up and working ( from the debian side at least ) |
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| 18:21.13 | nokrev | wols: error trying to connect to mirrors; let me try peterS's suggestion |
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| 18:21.22 | sol_ | this "sol" guy is a friggin moron |
| 18:21.51 | sol_ | remind him that next time he logs into my nick |
| 18:22.04 | vin` | sol_: #freenode |
| 18:22.08 | wols | sol_: have you sol registered? |
| 18:22.09 | sol_ | :p |
| 18:22.11 | sol_ | yes |
| 18:22.13 | peterS | sol_: just tell nickserv to make him go away |
| 18:22.17 | wols | then kick him |
| 18:22.25 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.27 | sol | I just did :p |
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| 18:22.43 | sol | I always tell nickserv to go away, and he always comes back on when I log off |
| 18:22.47 | rpc- | hm i forgot my pass... how can i get it back using nickserv? |
| 18:22.49 | sol | err tell nickserv to tell him to go away* |
| 18:22.56 | wols | rpc-: you can't |
| 18:23.02 | solars | don't really care sol |
| 18:23.04 | wols | rpc-: ask an oper to reset it for you |
| 18:23.04 | rpc- | wols that's what i thought |
| 18:23.08 | abrotman | rpc-: password to what ? |
| 18:23.08 | peterS | rpc-: "/stats p" to find a freenode staff person to /msg |
| 18:23.23 | rpc- | abrotman my nick on fn |
| 18:23.24 | sol | solars; I noticed. |
| 18:23.31 | solars | good. |
| 18:23.34 | sol | typical idiot linux user |
| 18:23.35 | rpc- | peterS great idea, i will try, thank you |
| 18:23.43 | sol | you give everyone else in here a bad name |
| 18:23.44 | abrotman | sol: you're in #debian .. idiot :) |
| 18:23.45 | WifiBrain | Hi |
| 18:23.48 | bizinichi | sup? |
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| 18:24.01 | sol | abrotman; I joined just to see if he was always actually afk when I'd msg him |
| 18:24.06 | wols | !start a nick war |
| 18:24.10 | sol | or if he was an ignorant little twit :p |
| 18:24.15 | solars | might be |
| 18:24.16 | abrotman | sol: eh .. ok |
| 18:24.19 | sol | anyway now I know it's the latter |
| 18:24.20 | sol | I'm off |
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| 18:24.24 | rpc- | p 0 staff members |
| 18:24.25 | rpc- | he he |
| 18:24.27 | solars | heh |
| 18:24.30 | abrotman | rpc-: try #freenode |
| 18:24.39 | rpc- | oh |
| 18:24.55 | nokrev | peterS: booting from 2.6 worked perfectly. Thank you very much. :) |
| 18:24.57 | peterS | rpc-: yeah, strangely enough, #debian isn't really about freenode irc network support |
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| 18:25.02 | peterS | nokrev: cool |
| 18:25.35 | rpc- | #freenode-social Cannot send to channel |
| 18:25.37 | rpc- | he he |
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| 18:25.43 | rpc- | i'm just unlucky it seems :) |
| 18:25.45 | abrotman | rpc-: wait .. they'll voice you |
| 18:25.46 | wols | rpc-: you need to wait until you get voice |
| 18:25.52 | rpc- | n/m i will live with rpc- |
| 18:25.56 | abrotman | rpc-: probably be about 15 minutes |
| 18:25.57 | rpc- | oh i see ok ok |
| 18:26.07 | rpc- | peterS and lol |
| 18:26.44 | rpc- | i will just hang around, even if i don't quite believe that any oper will reset my pass just because i'm being nice to him/her :) |
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| 18:28.13 | jessy | hello |
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| 18:28.39 | jessy | anyone know an application which can extract audio from a video ? |
| 18:29.28 | zamuro | jessy: Cinelerra |
| 18:29.32 | Trewas | jessy: mplayer for example, options -dumpaudio or -ao pcm |
| 18:29.33 | abrotman | !info vsound sarge |
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| 18:29.43 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 18:29.52 | peterS | jessy: extract_mpeg2 from the mpeg2dec package |
| 18:30.00 | woodgrain | dpkg I love you. |
| 18:30.01 | dpkg | I hope you mean in the platonic sense :/ |
| 18:30.16 | abrotman | woodgrain: you got me in trouble! |
| 18:30.18 | jessy | thks |
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| 18:30.31 | woodgrain | abrotman, uh ... what are you talking about? Geda? |
| 18:30.39 | abrotman | with ales :) |
| 18:30.42 | woodgrain | sh_t I'm sorry. |
| 18:30.47 | woodgrain | I hope you're kidding. |
| 18:30.50 | peterS | in-a-Geda-da-vidda |
| 18:31.14 | woodgrain | peterS, what's that? |
| 18:31.23 | helo | what's a good resource to explain basic NAT (ip masquerading) configuration? |
| 18:31.27 | peterS | similar to the title of a song popular before you were born |
| 18:31.28 | abrotman | woodgrain: he told me he would rip my head off! |
| 18:31.31 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 18:31.31 | dpkg | iptables is, like, the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
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| 18:31.48 | wols | helo: if you simply want NAT: install ipmasq |
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| 18:32.10 | helo | the docs in /usr/share/doc/iptables are for 2.4 kernels |
| 18:32.43 | peterS | helo: iptables hasn't changed much between 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 18:32.45 | helo | hah, that's exactly what i need wols, thanks |
| 18:32.48 | abrotman | helo: or netfilter.org or lartc.org |
| 18:33.06 | helo | for some reason i was trying to search with apt and couldn't find anything |
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| 18:34.04 | g333k | Hello, I have two soundcards in my PC, the Intel(motherboard's) and the Creative Audigy 2 ZS, I want to set up both soundcards but the Creative as the default soundcard, I have tried editing the file /etc/modprobe.d/sound adding each soundcard with a index, but everytime that I reset the Pc, the Intels appears as default, any clue? |
| 18:34.05 | peppet | helo: apt-cache search "network address translation" |
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| 18:34.37 | ma3x | hey |
| 18:34.39 | ma3x | this debian ain't secure at all |
| 18:34.39 | wols | helo: dnsmasq too |
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| 18:34.53 | ma3x | my screen just got black and I heard something in the headphones |
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| 18:34.59 | ma3x | I feel like I got hacked or something |
| 18:35.00 | h3sp4wn | g333k: have you run alsaconf ? |
| 18:35.17 | peterS | I bet he just ran ntpdate |
| 18:35.23 | peterS | and it set his clock forward a few minutes |
| 18:35.24 | abrotman | ma3x: tell you what .. you don't like debian .. go use something else |
| 18:35.32 | peterS | and the screen saver kicked in because of no activity for the past few minutes |
| 18:35.52 | ma3x | peterS, whats ntpdate? |
| 18:36.07 | peterS | an application to set your clock |
| 18:36.08 | wols | ma3x: its manpage will set you free |
| 18:36.09 | g333k | h3sp4wn, yep and set up the creative's |
| 18:36.09 | ma3x | peterS, but I was normally surfing and moving the mouse |
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| 18:37.23 | ma3x | peterS, it's not a matter of the screen saver. It just stopped responding. I tried to kill X, or do something. nothing responded |
| 18:37.39 | helo | yeah, you got hacked |
| 18:37.50 | abrotman | install ubuntu |
| 18:37.54 | helo | you better turn off your machine now and reinstall before he ruins your BIOS |
| 18:38.09 | helo | i hear netbsd is real nice |
| 18:38.23 | ma3x | peterS, I got this in my /var/log/syslog: Oct 7 20:30:24 ma3x modprobe: FATAL: Error running install command for sound_slot_1 |
| 18:38.45 | ma3x | I dont like installing all over again |
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| 18:38.58 | h3sp4wn | g333k: Have you tried setting up an /etc/asound.conf ? for 2 cards ? |
| 18:38.59 | wols | ma3x: don't you see? it's FATAL. power down that PC at once! |
| 18:39.00 | David_ | alguno habla espanol? |
| 18:39.09 | David_ | buenas |
| 18:39.10 | wols | !es |
| 18:39.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:39.13 | David_ | alguno habla espano? |
| 18:39.26 | ma3x | wols, but what's that? I don't understand |
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| 18:39.40 | g333k | h3sp4wn, I dont have that file |
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| 18:40.30 | h3sp4wn | g333k: http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ050 (that may help you modify it to suit mess around a bit) |
| 18:40.43 | h3sp4wn | g333k: That file is only there if its created by you |
| 18:40.56 | h3sp4wn | g333k: overrides /usr/share/alsa/cards |
| 18:41.27 | ma3x | come on if somebody knows, please help |
| 18:41.37 | helo | i have really slow scrolling performance in gnome-terminal... i am using direct rendering... using a full screen vi while scrolling down through a file goes at about 2 lines/sec |
| 18:41.41 | g333k | h3sp4wn, I just install debian again.... In my old installation I have the 2 soundcards working good without the asound.conf |
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| 18:41.51 | ma3x | and what means this mtrr: no more MTRRs available |
| 18:41.58 | g333k | h3sp4wn, let me try |
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| 18:42.59 | ma3x | im gonna move to oftc |
| 18:43.03 | ma3x | nobody wants to help here |
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| 18:43.24 | pipeline | ma3x: Trolling isn't going to work, I'm afraid : |
| 18:43.32 | helo | ma3x: MTRR means "mixed transaction race resource" and is related to the filesystem race condition prevention mechanisms within ext3... you will probably have some pretty bad filesystem corruption :/ |
| 18:43.44 | zinx | ma3x: the official channel is on oftc |
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| 18:43.52 | ma3x | oh well great |
| 18:43.56 | ma3x | helo, thanks |
| 18:44.12 | zinx | ma3x: irc.debian.org points to it. |
| 18:44.18 | ma3x | or irc.oftc.net |
| 18:44.23 | wols | helo: why did you answer. we've been SOOOO close |
| 18:44.29 | FernandoMM | I'm having some problems with Debian Etch + Xgl. When i try to start X i get some errors and one of them is "could not init font element /usr/font/share/X11/TTF, Removim from list! ". The problem is that this path *isn't* listed on xorg.conf's FontPath. Does anyone had this problem? |
| 18:44.36 | wols | nevermind the answer itself... |
| 18:44.42 | zinx | ma3x: yes; and irc.debian.org will send you to irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:44.50 | helo | heh |
| 18:45.32 | Trewas | helo: I guess that was some joke? :) MTRR is memory type range register, which has something to do with transfers to/from pci or agp cards |
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| 18:45.40 | ma3x | okaythanks |
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| 18:46.31 | fasta | How can I accept all connections from an ip-range in dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 18:47.28 | helo | is udhcpd a good small dhcp server? is there something better that will at most serve IPs to 4 clients? |
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| 18:48.30 | peppet | helo: dnsmasq |
| 18:50.00 | FernandoMM | Is there differences between .deb packages generated by alien on different machines? |
| 18:50.49 | suppaman | hello |
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| 18:53.30 | jelly-home | the mtrr answer was quite funny though. I sure hope noone else thought it was truthful. |
| 18:54.35 | Hiryu | anyone know of a good spam filtering howto for exim on debian? |
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| 18:56.14 | Hoxzer | has somebody here setup mutella http-ui? |
| 18:56.16 | shasbot | heh, 666 total |
| 18:56.27 | wols | FernandoMM: never use alien to make debs if you like your debian install |
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| 18:57.27 | xingu | "Alien made my Debs" - National Enquirer, April 1st 2005 |
| 18:57.50 | MatBoy | does someone know an eicar-testpage to sent mails ? the webmail.us version is not there anymore :( |
| 18:58.48 | helo | would any of you be a little uneasy if your /etc/motd had a bunch of garbage in it? |
| 18:59.34 | helo | to me, it reeks of buffer overflow |
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| 18:59.39 | keram | hey |
| 18:59.43 | helo | but how would i be able to tell? |
| 18:59.45 | keram | where do i get the latest version of debian again? |
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| 19:00.41 | xingu | helo: jump in your tardis, jump back in time, install and configure aide, jump back to the present, then drop to single user mode and produce a report showing you what's changed |
| 19:00.49 | peterS | keram: about 2 clicks away from http://www.debian.org/ |
| 19:01.18 | keram | haha okay |
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| 19:01.37 | Charminthemoose | how do i give my kernel security updates? |
| 19:03.04 | minerale | I installed vista on my other hard drive and that seems to have overwritten grub's MBR, how can I fix it? (vista is on hda1 and grub on hdb1) |
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| 19:03.55 | wols | Charminthemoose: install a new kernel |
| 19:04.08 | wols | Charminthemoose: from security.debian.org |
| 19:04.47 | Charminthemoose | i checked around there i didn't find anything about a new kernel. |
| 19:04.48 | Charminthemoose | :( |
| 19:05.01 | peppet | minerale: boot from some live cd, chroot to your debian installation and reinstall grub |
| 19:06.17 | minerale | peppet: i'm on the livecd right now, not sure how to use grub-install |
| 19:07.54 | peppet | minerale: first chroot to your linux root, then grub-install /dev/hda |
| 19:09.28 | minerale | peppet: i'm not sure, how does one chroot? |
| 19:09.42 | peterS | with the chroot command |
| 19:10.36 | helo | is tiger a decent package? |
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| 19:11.39 | labanux | is there any linux driver for canon pixma 1600? |
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| 19:12.01 | labanux | i'm using debian sarge with that printer |
| 19:13.45 | helo | how can i reinstall a package that is already installed? |
| 19:13.50 | wols | !pinter |
| 19:13.59 | helo | without having the deb file |
| 19:14.07 | wols | helo: why reinstall? just for config stuff? |
| 19:14.22 | peterS | helo: you can't install or reinstall something without the .deb file |
| 19:14.49 | peterS | helo: anyway, 'aptitude reinstall pkgname' |
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| 19:15.48 | labanux | !printer |
| 19:15.49 | dpkg | well, printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui |
| 19:16.19 | labanux | !pinter |
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| 19:17.02 | labanux | wols.., i don't understand with !printer you've just say.. |
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| 19:17.17 | fasta | I finally succeeded in setting up exim4, and I verified that I can send messages. |
| 19:17.47 | fasta | Should it now also be possible for other people to send email to this machine? |
| 19:18.04 | fasta | I set it up as a "smarthost". |
| 19:19.19 | wols | labanux: there is a url mentioned by dpkg. visit it |
| 19:19.36 | fasta | Hmm, I think I already know the answer. |
| 19:19.41 | wols | fasta: yes. depends for what FQDN you have set it up |
| 19:20.15 | fasta | wols: I included hostname.FQDN, but that's wrong. |
| 19:20.33 | fasta | wols: <hostname>.FQDN |
| 19:21.08 | sysop | hey anyone know where I can get viavoice for linux? or att natural voices for linux? |
| 19:21.33 | wols | sysop: not here. both are closed source |
| 19:21.35 | fasta | wols: I do wonder how I could tell people to send mail to this machine specifically. |
| 19:21.47 | wols | fasta: what is your domainname? |
| 19:22.03 | sysop | oh, ok thanks wols. |
| 19:22.04 | fasta | wols: the one given from my ISP is zonnebloem.demon.nl |
| 19:22.23 | wols | fasta@zonnebloem.demon.nl then |
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| 19:22.41 | fasta | wols: but this host is named differently. |
| 19:22.53 | wols | what is the name? |
| 19:22.57 | fasta | wols: justok |
| 19:23.36 | wols | and does this host with exim4 running have a public IP? |
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| 19:23.45 | fasta | wols: the router nat translates connections to that machine. |
| 19:24.03 | wols | then you must portforward port 25 and it's still zonnebloem... |
| 19:24.25 | g333k | Hi, Is alsa modular for our Kernel? |
| 19:24.56 | wols | g333k: yes |
| 19:25.01 | wols | alsa is all modules |
| 19:25.21 | fasta | wols: ok, but what if I also want to send and receive mail on another machine in my network (still behind that NAT)? |
| 19:26.13 | wols | fasta: cannot do that. the FQDN must be oublically known on the internet |
| 19:26.19 | Kim^J | How do I make the shell reread the .bashrc file? |
| 19:26.34 | wols | if the FQDN is known you can use your one exim to accept mail for both and forward |
| 19:26.40 | bronze_|| | fasta: can be down using iptables. in fact I'm doing it right now |
| 19:27.06 | wols | bronze_||: how do you "share" port 25? |
| 19:27.27 | bronze_|| | wols: not sharing it |
| 19:27.35 | bronze_|| | perhaps I'm missing some of the requirements |
| 19:27.49 | wols | bronze_||: so what are you doing then with port 25? |
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| 19:28.08 | fasta | I guess I would need to read a book on mail servers some time, as the logic escapes me sometimes. |
| 19:28.31 | bronze_|| | port 25 is forwarded (and Natted) to another machine on my LAN . thats machine does all my smtp stuff |
| 19:28.47 | wols | bronze_||: as I just said to him earlier |
| 19:28.56 | fasta | wols: I understand that solution. |
| 19:28.59 | h3sp4wn | Kim^J: exec bash (should do it) |
| 19:29.04 | bronze_|| | ah, saw only end of convo |
| 19:29.16 | wols | fasta: but why do you want two mailservers on your LAN? |
| 19:29.44 | fasta | wols: just to try to broaden my understanding. |
| 19:29.53 | fasta | wols: I don't want that in practice. |
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| 19:30.15 | Teri2007 | hello |
| 19:30.17 | wols | fasta: what do you use for MDA and mail storage? |
| 19:30.38 | MatBoy | !beer every guy in this channel for free |
| 19:31.22 | Teri2007 | Can anyone here help me? I'm trying to find out if the /var/www files and folder should typically be "owned" by root or not in order for a apache to serve them up correclty |
| 19:31.34 | fasta | wols: none that I am aware of. |
| 19:31.45 | wols | yes they're owned by root.adm by default |
| 19:31.52 | MatBoy | Teri2007, apache |
| 19:31.56 | wols | fasta: get an imap server |
| 19:32.07 | fasta | wols: I don't know anything about practical mail servers, I have only used them. |
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| 19:32.51 | fasta | wols: It would be nice if I could mutt, etc, to check in patches send via darcs, etc. I think this is the way other people use it. |
| 19:33.18 | peppet | Teri2007: root |
| 19:33.20 | wols | check in patches? with mutt? |
| 19:33.31 | fasta | wols: you don't mean instead of exim4, right? |
| 19:33.31 | Hoxzer | The roof the roof is fire |
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| 19:33.42 | xlib | with the last upgrade of gksu package i can't posible to launch more things with it, for example 'gksu xmms' |
| 19:33.47 | Hoxzer | We dont need no water lett the motherfucker buurn... |
| 19:33.50 | wols | fasta: no I meant mail storage, not MTA. exim4 is an MTA |
| 19:34.02 | xlib | is similar to 'root not has more access to your user X' |
| 19:34.06 | fasta | wols: you said MDA, which is e.g. procmail according to dpkg. |
| 19:34.15 | wols | fasta: yes that too |
| 19:34.15 | nvz | xlib: why the hell would you need to run xmms with gksu? |
| 19:34.18 | fasta | wols: you said that too, sorry |
| 19:34.27 | fasta | wols: why do I need a MDA? |
| 19:34.27 | wols | nvz: cause he doesn't know about group audio I think |
| 19:34.39 | fasta | wols: what's a nice imap server? |
| 19:34.45 | xlib | nvz: is a example... same problem with any graphical application |
| 19:34.54 | wols | fasta: depends. often spam detection is done with it, or some other mail filtering |
| 19:35.01 | nvz | xlib: you shouldnt be running applications as root in the first place |
| 19:35.05 | MatBoy | peppet, root ? are you nuts ? |
| 19:35.09 | xlib | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 19:35.20 | Teri2007 | matboy, here is my problem. I have several websites that I won't ot host on my box. When I login with one of my accounts, I upload my files, html docs, etc to /var/www/<mywebsitefolder>htdocs, and then in order for them to work I have to go in and chown & chmod all of the files and folders to root. Isn't there an easier way to do this? When I used to ftp upload to my ISP's folders, I never had to worry about this... they just |
| 19:35.20 | Teri2007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.52 | wols | Teri2007: upload them world readable |
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| 19:35.56 | MatBoy | Teri2007, just make an apachegroup |
| 19:36.10 | marco_ | How would I make apt "think" that apache2-common is installed |
| 19:36.20 | wols | marco_: why? |
| 19:36.29 | Teri2007 | matboy, not sure I understand. how does that help? |
| 19:36.31 | marco_ | It's been replaced by apache2.2-common, but some packages don't have updated depends |
| 19:36.33 | marco_ | wols, ^ |
| 19:36.40 | Teri2007 | wols, how do I upload them world readable? |
| 19:36.59 | wols | marco_: equivs might help |
| 19:37.02 | MatBoy | Teri2007, it depends on how you want to manage things |
| 19:37.06 | wols | !tell marco_ about equivs |
| 19:37.16 | Teri2007 | matboy, ok? |
| 19:37.24 | MatBoy | Teri2007, but the best would be to own them to a user and let the apache group run the files |
| 19:37.27 | wols | marco_: depends on ftpd and ftp client iirc |
| 19:37.40 | marco_ | thanks |
| 19:37.45 | MatBoy | tell Teri2007 about apache |
| 19:37.50 | wols | Teri2007: |
| 19:37.50 | MatBoy | !tell Teri2007 about apache |
| 19:38.01 | xlib | nobody uses gksu ? |
| 19:38.17 | Teri2007 | !apache |
| 19:38.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; see (apache-common ; apache-dev ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl); they are also Native Americans. or cool helicopters, or ask me about apache-perl5.6, or ask me about apache manual |
| 19:38.33 | fasta | wols: I send a mail to an external mail account. From that place I sent a mail back to this machine with address <username on this machine>@zonnebloem.demon.nl The message didn't arrive within the past 5 minutes. |
| 19:38.37 | wols | very informative MatBoy. and so relevant |
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| 19:38.44 | Teri2007 | wols, you were saying? |
| 19:38.53 | bsmntbombdood | What device would my microphone be? |
| 19:38.57 | wols | fasta: is port 25 forwarded? |
| 19:39.01 | MatBoy | wols, I think he will get some links to the tuts there ;) |
| 19:39.04 | fasta | wols: yes |
| 19:39.15 | wols | fasta: look in your mail log then |
| 19:39.29 | wols | MatBoy: where? |
| 19:39.33 | fasta | wols: to read mail, I just need to do "mail", right? |
| 19:39.48 | wols | fasta: yes- if you really want to... |
| 19:40.09 | MatBoy | wols, does't matter... there are so many tut about apache, and also the docs.... dpkg says you can ask him about the docs |
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| 19:40.45 | wols | MatBoy: no it doesn't. all it does is tell what apache is. nothing else |
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| 19:40.57 | chris_abyi | hi! |
| 19:41.00 | xlib | mmmh.. not is a problem of gksu... same problem with the oldest version... |
| 19:41.01 | MatBoy | !tell wols about apache |
| 19:41.04 | MatBoy | last part |
| 19:41.18 | Teri2007 | matboy, trying to find the right tutorial for this on the internet is like trying to to drink from a firehose |
| 19:41.25 | xlib | then... why root can't posible to launch things on the graphical system of the user without his permission ? |
| 19:41.29 | fasta | wols: I don't see anything in /var/log/mail.info|warn|err |
| 19:41.38 | marco_ | how do I force apt to install something |
| 19:41.41 | wols | fasta: not even a connection attempt? |
| 19:41.45 | marco_ | even if depends can't be installed |
| 19:41.49 | fasta | wols: no |
| 19:41.56 | MatBoy | Teri2007, I have sometimes searched for hours and days.... |
| 19:42.06 | Teri2007 | yes, this is day 4 |
| 19:42.28 | wols | Teri2007: what ftp server? |
| 19:42.41 | Teri2007 | vsftpd |
| 19:43.18 | wols | Teri2007: play with #local_umask=022 |
| 19:43.38 | wols | in your /etc/vsftpd.conf untill the files are 644 |
| 19:44.14 | wols | star with 022 from there and see what it gets you |
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| 19:45.03 | wols | Teri2007: apache runs under the user www-data and files there are owned by root:adm by default |
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| 19:45.39 | wols | so chown your dir for the user using it to the user:group and then fiddle with the local_umask as needed |
| 19:45.44 | xlibrefused | gksu can't permits to launch graphical applications |
| 19:46.19 | xlibrefused | how the users launch synaptic for example ? |
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| 19:47.53 | xingu | xlibrefused: tell you what, you come up with a way that an event socket can trust a peer's notion of its own user id, then I'll show you how to run applications as one user talking to another user's display server |
| 19:49.49 | nvz | xlibrefused: you need to quit asking the wrong questions and realize that you ARE _NOT_ suppose to run applications as root |
| 19:49.56 | Charminthemoose | when i try and intstall stuff via apt-get it wants to remove my kernel! |
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| 19:50.24 | Charminthemoose | and it sometimes even wants to remove all of the things i've ever installed!why? |
| 19:50.29 | xlibrefused | nvz: but when i launch "xhost" i have: access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect |
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| 19:50.46 | xlibrefused | on another system i have the same result but i can perfectly launch gksu graphicalapp |
| 19:51.01 | nvz | you dont need to run apps as root in the first place |
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| 19:51.35 | xlibrefused | nvz: admin things... for example garted or synaptic |
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| 19:54.06 | xlibrefused | btw nvz... i can run applications with root if i login in root in a simple terminal... the problem is with gksu (i have launched a lot of times before things on X on this way) |
| 19:54.41 | xingu | has it lost its suid-ness? |
| 19:55.00 | xlibrefused | mmmh |
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| 19:56.17 | magyar | #freenode-social Cannot send to channel i keep getting these errors ftom social |
| 19:56.27 | xlibrefused | /usr/bin/gksu has the same permissions on both machines |
| 19:56.39 | xingu | another line of enquiry would be - are you allowing it to preserve the environment (xlib clients tend to want to source their cookies from $HOME/.Xauthority |
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| 19:57.02 | bsmntbombdood | I can't get any audio input from my Ensoniq ES1371 soundcard |
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| 19:58.40 | xlibrefused | xingu: the strange thing is... i can't launch things with gksu, but with a simple root login yes, and after to launch a thing with root, i can after with gksu (of course i don't make similar things to 'xhost +') |
| 19:58.59 | xingu | xlibrefused: what happens if you gksu env >>/tmp/somefile |
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| 19:59.28 | xingu | xlibrefused: specifically, is $HOME from the root environment, or the originating user's? |
| 20:00.17 | xlibrefused | the root one |
| 20:00.37 | xingu | try gksu --preserve-env |
| 20:00.50 | Teri2007 | wols, excellent pointing me in the right direction.... found some good stuff... one more question though, if I'm installing wordpress, I would think that since wordpress runs php scripts that I would need more than 644 on the permissions?? |
| 20:00.52 | xlibrefused | btw, same problem with 'gksu -k' (preserve variable environments) |
| 20:00.55 | xingu | or better, don't use a login shell (no --login) |
| 20:01.15 | xingu | in that case somehow gksu is convinced it must start a login shell |
| 20:01.28 | xlibrefused | xingu: same with --preserve-env, connection refused |
| 20:01.37 | xingu | --debug? |
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| 20:02.21 | linuxkid2 | hello? |
| 20:02.55 | Ronin | yes linuxkid2 |
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| 20:03.23 | linuxkid2 | I was wondering how I would set up a CUPS server without xfree68 |
| 20:03.43 | linuxkid2 | 86 |
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| 20:04.47 | linuxkid2 | can I do that? |
| 20:05.38 | Charminthemoose | when i attempt a dist-upgrade apt-get wants to remove hotplug among other things i want to keep..what can i do about this? |
| 20:06.06 | xlibrefused | xingu: http://paste.debian.net/14472 |
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| 20:07.44 | linuxkid2 | I net-installed on an old Pentium and want it to be a print server. But I can't run X. |
| 20:07.57 | xingu | xlibrefused: its unable to get your cookie from the looks; who owns ~/.Xauthority? |
| 20:08.18 | nvz | linuxkid2: well if you still want to use the web interface you can access it from another box |
| 20:08.41 | xingu | xlibrefused: for me - the relevant line is #2; where you have MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE (which is the protocol) I have an actual cookie's hash |
| 20:08.45 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: hotplug is deprecated. udev is taking its job now |
| 20:08.50 | wols_ | !tell Charminthemoose about hold |
| 20:08.50 | xlibrefused | xingu: -rw------- 1 asdf root 58 2006-10-07 21:43 .Xauthority |
| 20:09.05 | linuxkid2 | that's not the problem. it installes xpdf as a depend, which needs x |
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| 20:09.23 | nvz | o.O |
| 20:09.23 | xlibrefused | mmmh, why are on the root group ? |
| 20:09.27 | wols_ | linuxkid2: it needs xlibs. not x |
| 20:09.45 | xingu | xlibrefused: what does xauth extract $DISPLAY - say? |
| 20:09.52 | nvz | !depends xpdf |
| 20:09.52 | linuxkid2 | hmm, but it install X anyway. |
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| 20:10.03 | dpkg | xpdf: depends on xpdf-reader (= 3.01-9), xpdf-utils (= 3.01-9), xpdf-common (= 3.01-9) |
| 20:10.48 | wols_ | !depends xpdf-reader |
| 20:10.55 | dpkg | xpdf-reader: depends on lesstif2, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0), libice6, libpaper1, libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0), libt1-5 (>= 5.0.2), libx11-6, libxext6, libxp6, libxpm4, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), gsfonts (>= 6.0-1), xpdf-common (= 3.01-9) |
| 20:10.55 | nvz | I see no depends even on xlibx |
| 20:10.59 | xlibrefused | xingu: xauth: (argv):1: bad "extract" command line |
| 20:11.22 | nvz | just a few of the x-related libraries not all of xlibs |
| 20:11.29 | xingu | xlibrefused: I'd be tempted to get you to mv .Xauthority .Xauthority-frooted and log out. |
| 20:11.40 | xingu | xlibrefused: ... and back in again obviously |
| 20:11.45 | linuxkid2 | !depends xpdf-utils |
| 20:11.48 | Kim^J | !beer free for every guy in the channeö |
| 20:11.49 | xlibrefused | hehe |
| 20:11.52 | xlibrefused | ok, let me try... |
| 20:11.53 | xingu | xlibrefused: suspicion would be that it's hosed |
| 20:11.54 | wols_ | nvz: what is libx11-6 then? |
| 20:11.55 | Kim^J | !beer free for every guy in the channel |
| 20:11.56 | dpkg | xpdf-utils: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0), libpaper1, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0), xpdf-common (= 3.01-9) |
| 20:12.11 | nvz | wols_: its not xlibs. xlibs is a package that pulls in way more than that |
| 20:12.30 | nvz | Kim^J: what, women dont drink beer? |
| 20:12.35 | wols_ | nvz: and in sid it says libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0) |
| 20:12.47 | Kim^J | !beer for every one who wants one! |
| 20:12.51 | nvz | wols_: ah doesnt say that in etch |
| 20:13.19 | linuxkid2 | well, maybe I installed the wrong package. I did the print server under /tasks/server tag in aptitude. |
| 20:13.30 | Kim^J | Is there a LAMP meta package for Apt? |
| 20:13.40 | wols_ | Kim^J: no |
| 20:13.44 | Kim^J | Ok |
| 20:13.47 | Kim^J | Why not? |
| 20:14.08 | wols_ | cause no one made it. and you can use apache or apache2, php4 or php5, mysql4 or mysql |
| 20:14.13 | wols_ | now chooose yourself |
| 20:14.34 | Kim^J | wols_, I already have apache2, php5 and mysql5.0 |
| 20:14.36 | wols_ | *mysql5 |
| 20:14.51 | marco_ | anyone have any idea when libapache2-mod-python will be updated to work with apache 2.2? |
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| 20:15.09 | wols_ | !any idea |
| 20:15.09 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little WD-40, and a dozen three-legged ostriches. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:15.11 | Kim^J | marco_, Why do you need apache 2.2 for? |
| 20:15.16 | marco_ | Kim^J, I don't |
| 20:15.28 | marco_ | It's simply the default in sid :/ |
| 20:15.37 | marco_ | I'm actually considering borrowing the older version from testing |
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| 20:16.07 | Kim^J | Why don't use Sarge + backports to get apache2 and php5 and the rest? |
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| 20:16.37 | linuxkid2 | is xfree86-common an x server or just a dependency package? |
| 20:16.44 | MatBoy | does mrtg always use GMT-time ? |
| 20:17.08 | wols_ | linuxkid2: it's not an xserver. xserver-xfree86 is |
| 20:17.10 | marco_ | Kim^J, because I enjoy putting up with this crap on a daily basis |
| 20:17.33 | Kim^J | marco_, Huh? Are you in some way insulting me? |
| 20:17.40 | marco_ | O.o, no |
| 20:17.42 | linuxkid2 | oh, ok |
| 20:18.01 | marco_ | Seriously, for some reason I don't get bothered too much by these little quirks |
| 20:18.05 | marco_ | they keep me busy |
| 20:18.07 | Kim^J | Isn't better to use something that's stable? |
| 20:18.13 | marco_ | no |
| 20:18.19 | marco_ | Well, for the average user, yes |
| 20:18.20 | Kim^J | Why's that then? |
| 20:18.24 | wols_ | Kim^J: apache2 certainly isn't stable |
| 20:18.31 | wols_ | neithre is php5 nor mysql5 |
| 20:18.37 | Kim^J | wols_, Well... Stable enough. |
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| 20:18.55 | marco_ | but for someone who's always playing with the latest and greatest stuff, sometimes it's worth it to live on the edge |
| 20:18.57 | Kim^J | SO you say I should use php4 and mysql4 and apache1 then? |
| 20:19.08 | xlibrefused | xingu: same thing... i have also made some diferents tests |
| 20:19.18 | wols_ | oh. apache2 is stable. mea culpa |
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| 20:19.30 | Kim^J | I thought so... |
| 20:19.38 | wols_ | the rest isn't however |
| 20:19.43 | Kim^J | Apache2 is stable and apache2.2 isn't |
| 20:19.43 | xlibrefused | btw xingu i have say a mistake before... i can launch things from root (su on terminal), but after back to user, i CAN'T launch with gksu... |
| 20:19.50 | linuxkid2 | what's the command for seeing how much diskspace is available? in megabytes |
| 20:20.03 | wols_ | linuxkid2: man df |
| 20:20.12 | linuxkid2 | thnx |
| 20:20.35 | cahoot_ | linuxkid2: mind you it will show what's left/used on mounted partitions only |
| 20:20.38 | Kim^J | linuxkid2, df -h |
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| 20:21.34 | linuxkid2 | it's ok, mine showed total size and then available. |
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| 20:22.11 | linuxkid2 | thanks cya |
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| 20:24.20 | xlibrefused | xingu: same thing from a simple "startx" (no X login manager) |
| 20:25.08 | Teri2007 | when I login to my account via ftp (using vsftpd) i am unable to save files to anywhere except my /home/ folder. I'm trying to upload files to /var/www.... website files etc. I am unsure what to search for on the net in regards to vsftpd & apache2 working together as they should... |
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| 20:30.06 | wols_ | ttick: you need to chmod the /var/www/ directory |
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| 20:35.03 | defcon8 | is the ia64 release for amd64? |
| 20:35.25 | dvs | defcon8: no |
| 20:36.08 | enouf | Teri2007: wols_ said this accidentally mentioned the wrong nick -> "[16:22:27] <wols_> ttick: you need to chmod the /var/www/ directory" .. that sttraight grain alcohol is good shit man .. I should know - I've got a pint or two in me already :-) |
| 20:37.03 | enouf | defcon8: NO! |
| 20:37.20 | dvs | enouf: a simple "no" would do. ;-) |
| 20:37.31 | defcon8 | why has there not been such a release yet/ |
| 20:37.32 | enouf | defcon8: ia64 is a world unto it's own .. |
| 20:37.40 | dvs | defcon8: next release |
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| 20:38.06 | enouf | dvs: thanks ... but yes, the consequences can be quite dramatic |
| 20:38.16 | enouf | :-) |
| 20:38.35 | xlibrefused | xingu: no way :/ |
| 20:38.46 | dvs | defcon8: there is an unoffical amd64 etch release available now |
| 20:38.46 | enouf | yes .. w a y |
| 20:39.04 | dvs | enouf: yes way, Garth! ;-) |
| 20:39.38 | enouf | ...dude .. take off to the great white north |
| 20:40.01 | dvs | enouf: Great White North? That's Aurora, IL! |
| 20:40.05 | enouf | it's the beauty way to go |
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| 20:40.24 | enouf | dvs ..heheh try again |
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| 20:45.08 | g333k | My gnome sounds are played by my intel sound card, how can I do to play them by the creative ? |
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| 20:45.59 | Telma | hello |
| 20:46.16 | defcon8 | hello |
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| 20:47.44 | chron | i'm trying to upgrade gcc to a version higher than 3.80 |
| 20:47.53 | chron | how do i do this |
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| 20:48.39 | Hedy | Need I a testing version of debian for support my core 2 duo and my Asus P5W DH Deluxe ? |
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| 20:49.17 | enouf | g333k: gnome control center/panel ..? |
| 20:49.21 | dvs | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 20:49.22 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 20:49.33 | Hedy | dvs its for me ? |
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| 20:49.45 | dvs | Hedy: the last link is |
| 20:49.46 | g333k | enouf, excuse me? |
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| 20:50.00 | enouf | gushundeit! |
| 20:50.22 | g333k | enouf, There is no option to choose the soundcard |
| 20:50.25 | Hedy | dvs, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ i need to download that ? |
| 20:50.35 | dvs | Hedy: yes |
| 20:50.35 | bbelt16ag | why isnt openmosix in my apt-get repositoity for stable? |
| 20:50.42 | Kim^J | What's the apache2 user called? and what is his gruop? |
| 20:50.48 | enouf | g333k: you asked about "gnome" sounds .. that's all I know |
| 20:50.51 | Hedy | dvs but it's a sarge STABLE version or a etch testing ? |
| 20:51.16 | dvs | Hedy: sarge stable but it should allow you to install Debian |
| 20:51.34 | g333k | enouf, You didnt read well my question |
| 20:52.00 | Hedy | dvs but i want a official link of debian.org for my core 2 duo |
| 20:52.01 | chron | who can give me a good sources list so i can get gcc 3.80+? |
| 20:52.11 | cahoot_ | g333k: make the creative the default |
| 20:52.16 | g333k | Does anybody here have two sound cards well configured? |
| 20:52.22 | g333k | cahoot_, how? |
| 20:52.31 | dvs | Hedy: The etch beta 3 is the closest you'll get. |
| 20:52.55 | enouf | g333k: yes I did .. ou didn't explain your problem well enough ... but now I know .. you have to make sure the drivers/modules are loaded for the creative ... lspci to get the Creative sound card info |
| 20:53.04 | cahoot_ | g333k: http://alsa2.opensrc.org/FAQ |
| 20:53.07 | Hedy | dvs so debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso is good for me ? I can't install a sarge version ? |
| 20:53.25 | gpm | anyone know why my eth0 won't come up automatically? i have to type ifup eth0 every time i reboot |
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| 20:53.39 | gpm | /etc/networking/interfaces looks normal to me... |
| 20:53.40 | dvs | Hedy: no, the official sarge comes with a 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 20:53.56 | g333k | enouf, Already done... my Creative sound card is working but not as the default |
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| 20:54.04 | Hedy | dvs with 2.6.8 I can't turn on my Core 2 duo so ? |
| 20:54.14 | Hedy | can you explain me what can I install for a core 2 duo dvs please ? |
| 20:54.24 | dvs | Hedy: so... etch beta 3 |
| 20:54.44 | Hedy | debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso so |
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| 20:54.58 | dvs | Hedy: so... try that. |
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| 20:55.30 | cahoot_ | g333k: add options snd-emu10k1 index=0 to /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 20:55.54 | zerohero | ah, hello, this is not a debian question per se, but close enough i hope :) |
| 20:55.56 | g333k | cahoot_, ok let me try |
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| 20:56.21 | Hedy | ok dvs but when a stable version will be out for support C2D ? |
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| 20:56.30 | zerohero | i want to replace some text with \n's in it in sed with another text with \n's in it |
| 20:56.40 | zerohero | how do i escape the \n's? |
| 20:56.45 | dvs | Hedy: when etch becomes Debian 4.0 |
| 20:56.56 | Hedy | soon or not ? =) |
| 20:57.02 | g333k | brb |
| 20:57.18 | dvs | Hedy: end of year? |
| 20:57.20 | cahoot_ | g333k: only need restart alsa |
| 20:57.25 | Barnes | Hedy if you want dual core support just upgrade the kernel and enable smp support |
| 20:57.59 | Hedy | Barnes so I can install a stable version and upgrade for support my Core 2 Duo ? |
| 20:58.28 | dvs | Hedy: if it finds your IDE controller. |
| 20:58.39 | Barnes | i installed testing to get sata support then recompiled a new kernel to get smp support |
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| 20:59.59 | g333k | cahoot_, It dindt worked even though it disabled my creative sound card |
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| 21:00.27 | cahoot_ | g333k: it works if you do it correct - study http://alsa2.opensrc.org/FAQ |
| 21:00.31 | g333k | I meatn besides.. adding this line have disabled my creative soudn card |
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| 21:01.20 | gpm | compy[1002]:~% gtkpod |
| 21:01.20 | gpm | *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x084fb998 *** |
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| 21:01.22 | gpm | help |
| 21:01.23 | Hedy | Barnes, dvs i have SATA II drive |
| 21:01.40 | Barnes | you need testing then |
| 21:01.40 | dvs | Hedy: you want to install it onto your SATA II drive? |
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| 21:01.55 | Hedy | yes |
| 21:02.07 | dvs | Hedy: Then you have to use testing. |
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| 21:03.54 | h3sp4wn | Hedy: Or you may be able to use sarge with 2.16 from backports |
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| 21:04.15 | Hedy | what is backports ? |
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| 21:04.25 | bbelt16ag | hey are the any openmosix kernel patches laying around for stable?? |
| 21:04.25 | dvs | h3sp4wn: Hedy doesn't want to use an unofficial CD |
| 21:04.34 | bbelt16ag | does it matter if i use stable or unstable? |
| 21:04.42 | stojic | hello, I have created a directory of local packages, ran dpkg-scanpackages on it and added it to sources.list. Do I need to run dpkg-scanpackages every time I add some .deb file to directory? |
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| 21:05.19 | h3sp4wn | dvs: The backports from backports.org are made by the same people who make the packages for debian |
| 21:05.59 | Hedy | so what I use ? |
| 21:05.59 | Hedy | =) |
| 21:06.18 | h3sp4wn | Hedy: Is it for a server or a workstation ? |
| 21:06.22 | dvs | Hedy: you already have my choice |
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| 21:06.39 | smcavoy_ | hello, I've just setup sarge with xorg and dual displays. when I drag a window to the second screen it jumps back to the begining/middle of the first. but when I drag a desktop icon or the cursor itself its fine. any suggestions as to what is wrong? |
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| 21:07.02 | lojak | hello |
| 21:07.04 | Hedy | h3sp4wn workstation pesonal computer |
| 21:07.32 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: is that true for all the packages? |
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| 21:08.01 | pohwom | Disk /dev/hde doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 21:08.05 | pohwom | what does this mean? |
| 21:08.12 | Barnes | Hedy if you install testing now you can change later to unstable if you feel for it |
| 21:08.12 | h3sp4wn | Guerin: I believe that is the case (but would not bet my life on it) |
| 21:08.46 | Hedy | Barnes or I can change to stable ? Testing is unstable or stable ? |
| 21:09.14 | Barnes | testing is between unstable and stable |
| 21:09.16 | lojak | pohwom: is it a new drive |
| 21:09.34 | pohwom | lojak: yes |
| 21:09.44 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: fair enough |
| 21:09.56 | lojak | pohwom: you just need to fdisk and format it |
| 21:10.04 | Barnes | Hedy im running unstable on this computer works alot better then windows will ever work |
| 21:10.07 | Guerin | stable = heaven; sid = hell; testing = limbo |
| 21:10.18 | Guerin | !alot |
| 21:10.18 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 21:10.18 | pohwom | lojak: i just formatted it |
| 21:10.40 | pohwom | what does this mean? |
| 21:10.43 | pohwom | oopp ^ |
| 21:10.43 | dvs | Guerin: no, testing is pergatory. It eventually becomes stable. ;-) |
| 21:10.52 | pohwom | Disk /dev/hde doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 21:10.53 | h3sp4wn | Guerin: The fact that you don't have to install another archive key (like you do for debian multimedia) (makes me think that it is something semi official) |
| 21:10.57 | pohwom | it gives me that error |
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| 21:11.19 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: well, any eejit can make a gpg key |
| 21:11.25 | Guerin | dvs: good point |
| 21:11.25 | lojak | can you mount /dev/hde1 |
| 21:11.43 | pohwom | lojak: there's no /dev/hde1 but there's /dev/hde though |
| 21:12.06 | stojic | hm... I just noticed Packages.gz in my local debs directory is empty, so I guess there is no need to update it :) |
| 21:12.08 | h3sp4wn | Guerin: True but getting that key into the default debian archive keyring cannot be done (without some association with debian) |
| 21:12.14 | lojak | i'd run fdisk on it and double check that it has a valid primary partition |
| 21:12.32 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: oh, it's in the default debian keyring ... of course |
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| 21:12.55 | nokrev | Yay! nVidia driver worked. |
| 21:13.44 | m`kay | hi guys, i search the image from the gdm on the LinuxTagEdition2006 as wallpaper° Can someone help me |
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| 21:14.14 | lojak | anyone know what option i need to use to get past the language chooser menu when doing an autoinstall? |
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| 21:14.28 | Guerin | lojak: <enter> |
| 21:14.35 | Guerin | lojak: o jest. |
| 21:14.39 | PF | Im which Debian package is "nslookup" within? |
| 21:14.46 | lojak | i've tried languagechooser/language-name=English |
| 21:14.46 | Guerin | PF: dnsutils |
| 21:14.47 | PF | s/Im/In |
| 21:14.54 | lojak | *grin* |
| 21:14.55 | PF | danke, Sire |
| 21:15.29 | Guerin | PF: you may place the tribute next to the pile of leopard skins in the corner. |
| 21:15.49 | Guerin | PF: watch ouy for the royal eunuchs, though. |
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| 21:16.05 | stojic | m`kay: is LinuxTagEdition2006 a gdm theme? |
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| 21:17.15 | m`kay | stony: no, the LinuxTagEdition is a special edition from sarge for the linuxtag in essen (germany). and there was a wallpaper on the gdm from this edition. and this is the one, that i like for my desktop |
| 21:17.31 | m`kay | stojic: no, the LinuxTagEdition is a special edition from sarge for the linuxtag in essen (germany). and there was a wallpaper on the gdm from this edition. and this is the one, that i like for my desktop |
| 21:17.59 | stojic | m`kay: ah, I see :) no idea about that |
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| 21:20.24 | Hedy | ok Barnes bus what unstable do by report of stable ? |
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| 21:22.16 | lojak | pohwon: did you glean any info from fdisk? |
| 21:25.12 | esters | could anyone tell me where is the boot up script located ? |
| 21:25.50 | lojak | esters: /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 21:26.07 | esters | thanks |
| 21:27.50 | lojak | so, anyone know what i should be passnig the installer instead on languagechooser/language-name=English to get auto-installing past that screen? |
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| 21:28.37 | lojak | i'm working with etch-testing |
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| 21:30.32 | krenin | Hello. Are the -march and -mcpu variables no longer in recent versions of apt-build? |
| 21:30.53 | krenin | When I put them in, I get "no such variable for line X" on both... |
| 21:31.37 | krenin | ... I'm trying to compile packages for pentium-mmx |
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| 21:33.12 | krenin | Anyone awake today? |
| 21:33.24 | lojak | krenin: sorry, i've no clue and this whole place seems to be afk |
| 21:33.37 | krenin | haha ok |
| 21:33.47 | lojak | krenin: i can't get a response to my installer Q either |
| 21:34.10 | krenin | when I run |
| 21:34.14 | krenin | oops |
| 21:34.51 | krenin | When I run "dpkg-reconfigure apt-build", it lets me select "Pentium-MMX" as the target architecture, but it's only setting the -mtune variable in apt-build.conf. |
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| 21:35.04 | krenin | The -march and -mcpu variables seem to not exist anymore... |
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| 21:35.20 | keram | hey |
| 21:35.49 | beered | I have a device connected to one of the USB ports. How do I find on what /dev/whatever it's connected? This is a remote server and I have no access to it. There is nothing in dmessage... |
| 21:38.09 | h3sp4wn | krenin: -mcpu is depreciated (at least with gcc 4 and above) |
| 21:38.18 | g333k | how to add a paralel printer' |
| 21:38.19 | g333k | ? |
| 21:38.28 | krenin | h3sp4wn: so is -march? |
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| 21:39.27 | h3sp4wn | krenin: I think you only need one of -march or -mtune |
| 21:39.40 | krenin | h3sp4wn: so is there anything other than -mtune to set for CPU architecture?... ok let me try -march by itself without -mtune, brb |
| 21:40.25 | krenin | no it still says "no such variable" for -march |
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| 21:41.50 | krenin | h3sp4wn: is there anything else elsewhere on the system that I need to set to make it recognize the different cpu architecture as an option? |
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| 21:43.15 | h3sp4wn | krenin: What are you attempting to compile ? some programs have the CFLAGS they want hardcoded |
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| 21:45.09 | krenin | h3sp4wn: going to do an "apt-build world" for the system... but it's apt-build that's saying -march and -mcpu are no good |
| 21:45.10 | ^Timo^ | pplz i have chosen for exim4 :d and i need your help by this question i can configure multi mail server with the command dpkg-reconfigure exim4?? which doc should i read for it to setup a multi mail server |
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| 21:46.36 | h3sp4wn | krenin: I don't know read the gentoo documentation (or use gentoo) - the chances are it will make no noticable difference for you (I regard it as a waste of time) |
| 21:46.50 | tarzeau | wols_: no tarzeau isn't mexican |
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| 21:47.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: WTF are you talking? |
| 21:47.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: i was at the zurich BSP and we went eating |
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| 21:48.33 | ^Timo^ | wols_ : can you help me with this question http://pastebin.ca/194417 |
| 21:49.02 | sarefo | hi, i installed etch four days ago, and everything was fine; after three days, the ethernet started 'stuttering', ie it goes off by itself (even if there's nothing but standard services running) after eg. 10 seconds or so. i need to do 'ifup eth0' to restart it, but sometimes it comes up after a time. i'm connected to a dsl modem (which acts as a router) that seems to work ok. any idea how to best proceed to find the source of the prob |
| 21:50.25 | jelly-home | Dmd: nope, that's not correct ;-) |
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| 21:51.27 | Dmd | jelly-home : what should be correct which ip should i using for that ? |
| 21:51.31 | jelly-home | Dmd: are you planning to use this machine as a smtp server eg. for your local network? |
| 21:51.44 | Dmd | nopes |
| 21:52.09 | stojic | sarefo: Are you sure it is an OS problem? Maybe your connection is a bit shaky these days. From how I understand it, it happens for only a day or so. |
| 21:52.09 | Dmd | should i leave it blank ? |
| 21:52.45 | jelly-home | Dmd: that'll work, yes. Or put only localhost (127.0.0.1) there. |
| 21:52.52 | psychonate | Hmm, when I try to login in Nessus, I get an informative error message: "Login Failed," and I haven't a clue why |
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| 21:53.06 | psychonate | seems in order to me |
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| 21:54.09 | sarefo | stojic: the problem is that the only connection that should be able to be shaky is from dsl router to net. if i see this right, 'ifup eth0' only re-establishes the con from my machine to the router. |
| 21:54.14 | jelly-home | Dmd: it's asking: "if you want this machine to be able to listen for smtp (mail sending) traffic, enter only those local ip's you want to be able to receive smtp to". |
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| 21:54.18 | psychonate | and the log isn't very helpful either |
| 21:54.22 | stillhere | hi |
| 21:54.24 | sarefo | and that's just a cable from my room to the next. |
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| 21:54.51 | jelly-home | Dmd: this question is only useful for mail servers, routers and similar. |
| 21:55.16 | Dmd | jelly-home : i want to setup a'n mail server |
| 21:55.31 | Dmd | by using the smtp server from smtp.wanadoo.nl |
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| 21:56.02 | jelly-home | Dmd: you just said you're not going to set up a mail server a bit before. |
| 21:56.33 | stojic | sarefo: I see. Do you have any other computers connected to the router? You could try pinging the router from them when it happens to see is it a router problem. You can also check your ethernet cables (ie unplug them and plug them again) |
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| 21:56.54 | jelly-home | Dmd: smtp.wanadoo.nl is your ISP's server, right? |
| 21:57.14 | Dmd | jelly-home : i am trying to setup a mail server i am excualy searching for a good howto for exim4 couln't find one on google :s |
| 21:57.19 | stillhere | How do I remove a package including all its dependencies? |
| 21:57.24 | jelly-home | Dmd: you're probably going to get another question where you're going to enter that, but this is not it. |
| 21:57.41 | Dmd | jelly-home : yes it is |
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| 21:58.21 | jelly-home | Dmd: well, if you know it already, why are you asking? :-| |
| 21:58.51 | Teri2007 | can anyone here tell me how I can make new folders I upload via vsftpd default to a specific owner:group when I upload? |
| 21:58.57 | jelly-home | Dmd: when it asks you for a "smarthost", then enter your ISP's mail server. |
| 21:59.26 | Dmd | smarthost is for dail up connections thats what i have read |
| 21:59.42 | Dmd | btw jelly-home whould you read this for me http://pastebin.ca/194434 |
| 22:00.06 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:00.06 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:00.07 | Teri2007 | or is doing that a bad idea? I have a group called apachegrp... I want to upload and have the folder be assigned to root:apachegrp rather than teri:teri |
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| 22:00.12 | sarefo | stojic: yes, i thought it could be a cable problem. i'm just wondering because i was using a different OS for about a year now (suse linux) and the connection had no problems, and few days after installing a new system (etch, which is great btw :) it always disconnects. i didn't touch the cable, and thought this to be a strange coincidence. |
| 22:00.50 | jelly-home | Dmd: sorry, I was only referring to http://pastebin.ca/194417 |
| 22:01.07 | Teri2007 | how do I make new folders I upload via vsftpd default to a specific owner:group when I upload? I want to upload and have the folder be assigned to root:apachegrp rather than teri:teri |
| 22:01.22 | sarefo | stojic: i'll try to ping next time it happens, thx for the tip. right now, i have a bash loop calling 'ifup eth0' every ten seconds, to keep me going on irc ;) |
| 22:02.10 | Dmd | jelly-home : yes okay but i must do everything correct the first question can i make up on that question like what i want ? |
| 22:02.12 | stojic | sarefo: what does ifconfig say? do you have dhcp set up on router and the machine or not? |
| 22:02.17 | sarefo | i thought maybe it's something with etch sending too many packages (or whatever, i don't know dirt about net internals) and the router kicking me out |
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| 22:02.40 | jelly-home | Dmd: if you don't do it correctly things might not work |
| 22:03.05 | Dmd | jelly-home : i know thats why i ask you guys :) |
| 22:03.26 | sarefo | stojic: where do i see from ifconfig if dhcp is set up? iirc, i did set it up, but i can't make out the info from the ifconfig output :( |
| 22:03.44 | Dmd | jelly-home : what should i answer on the first question ? |
| 22:03.56 | jelly-home | Dmd: eg. if it says "it should be the single, full domain name (FQDN) " you DON'T enter "Joe's mail server", you enter something like foo.domain.com |
| 22:04.21 | stojic | sarefo: you don't see it from there :) those were two questions. you can look in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:04.32 | sarefo | stojic: next time it goes down i'll ping the router, and i'm almost certain it won't ping |
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| 22:04.49 | jelly-home | Dmd: where foo.domain.com is your hostname's symbolic address, or at least the address seen from the internet. Do you have a static ip? |
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| 22:05.18 | stojic | sarefo: it would be good to try pinging it from other computer (if possible) when connection on this one dies |
| 22:05.21 | jelly-home | Dmd: (if you don't know what it is, you probably don't ;-) |
| 22:05.30 | sarefo | it says 'iface eth0 inet dhcp', looks like dhcp to me :) |
| 22:06.02 | sarefo | stojic: oh well, i had a fight with the girl in the other room, maybe tomorrow ;) |
| 22:06.19 | Dmd | jelly-home : yes i have |
| 22:06.32 | Dmd | and i have 2 internet domains |
| 22:06.33 | Dmd | :) |
| 22:06.35 | lojak | anyone know what i need to pass to the installer during a automated install to get past the language chooser screen - i've tried languagechooser/language-name=English but it doesn't work |
| 22:06.35 | stojic | sarefo: hehe, ok then |
| 22:06.44 | tarzeau | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 22:06.50 | keram | when upgrading from sarge to etch you edit sources.list and change stable to etch |
| 22:06.52 | keram | right? |
| 22:06.53 | tarzeau | Configuring openssh-server, Warning: telnetd is installed --- probably not a good idea |
| 22:06.58 | tarzeau | I'd advise you to either remove the telnetd package (if you don't actually need to offer telnet access) or install telnetd-ssl so that there is at least some |
| 22:07.01 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.09 | keram | then you say aptitude update, and aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 22:07.10 | tarzeau | THIS IS ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS |
| 22:07.20 | Dmd | jelly-home : i have answerd on the first question mydomain.nl is that correct ? |
| 22:07.28 | krenin | Anyone here know about apt-build? are the -march and -mcpu variables gone forever? |
| 22:07.29 | stojic | tarzeau: it does sound a bit paranoid |
| 22:07.33 | psychonate | Ah, had to manually do a 'nessus-adduser' |
| 22:07.37 | tarzeau | how the fuck is telnet stuff any business of the OPENSSH maintainer? |
| 22:07.43 | tarzeau | stojic: it is absolutel RETARDED |
| 22:07.46 | jelly-home | Dmd: yes, if you receive mail for mydomain.nl somewhere. |
| 22:07.46 | tarzeau | and MORONIC |
| 22:08.08 | tarzeau | and debconf abuse |
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| 22:08.29 | stojic | tarzeau: well, ssh is, I guess, preferred (by its maintainer :) |
| 22:08.34 | sarefo | stojic: thx so far, i'll try to set up my spare computer later :) |
| 22:08.38 | tarzeau | stojic: so? |
| 22:08.46 | stojic | sarefo: ok, np |
| 22:08.47 | tarzeau | stojic: that still doesn't make telnet stuff the business of him |
| 22:08.52 | jelly-home | Dmd: all the mails from your exim4 will appear to come from local-user@mydomain.nl -- that's what this option is for. |
| 22:08.57 | stojic | tarzeau: I know, that's why the smiley |
| 22:09.02 | tarzeau | stojic: that's like the gnome package tells you you have kde software installed and asks you to remove it |
| 22:09.10 | stojic | tarzeau: yep yep |
| 22:09.15 | tarzeau | stojic: I COULD HIT THAT MAINTAINER . H.A.R.D. |
| 22:09.32 | tarzeau | stojic: this is so unprofessional |
| 22:09.58 | stojic | tarzeau: there should be another package relation "maintainer doesn't like: telnetd" |
| 22:10.13 | jelly-home | something like Unrecommends: |
| 22:10.34 | keram | yes? |
| 22:10.35 | tarzeau | stojic: there should be a hitthemaintainer tool like there is a reportbug tool |
| 22:10.37 | Dmd | jelly-home : so i must enter there my mail adress like Dmd@mydomain.nl? |
| 22:10.45 | stojic | jelly-home: yep :) |
| 22:10.52 | tarzeau | jelly-home: that's bullshit |
| 22:11.05 | jelly-home | Dmd: no, you did right by entering just the domain. |
| 22:11.09 | tarzeau | jelly-home: it's simply not the business of the maintainer |
| 22:11.22 | tarzeau | jelly-home: if he doesn't like telnetd he can fork his shit and do whatever he wants |
| 22:11.27 | jelly-home | tarzeau: file a bug. |
| 22:11.30 | kingsley | Is an iceweasel package available to replace firefox? |
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| 22:11.33 | stojic | tarzeau: well this sounds like a bug candidate, that hits the maintainer a bit |
| 22:11.34 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i will FOR SURE do that |
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| 22:11.47 | keram | i just changed sources.list and did aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:11.59 | keram | now i'm doing 'aptitude update' and i'm getting a few errors |
| 22:12.13 | tarzeau | there is already #391081 |
| 22:12.25 | keram | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 22:12.25 | Dmd | jelly-home : on the second question should i still answer IP-addresses to listen on for incoming SMTP connections: 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 22:12.36 | keram | then |
| 22:12.44 | jelly-home | Dmd: yes. |
| 22:12.54 | keram | W: GPG error : ftp://ftp.us.debian.orgt etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 22:12.54 | Dmd | okay |
| 22:13.02 | woodgrain | what's a cause for a ~/.dmrc file to go missing? |
| 22:13.03 | keram | any ideas? |
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| 22:13.48 | h3sp4wn | keram: ftp://ftp.us.debian.orgt should be ftp://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 22:14.03 | keram | yeah i meant org |
| 22:14.07 | keram | i had to copy from another screen |
| 22:14.07 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.19 | tarzeau | i wonder how people get such fucked ideas at all |
| 22:14.36 | h3sp4wn | keram: Is your clock correct ? |
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| 22:14.45 | keram | h3sp4wn, i dont know |
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| 22:15.07 | Dmd | jelly-home : http://pastebin.ca/194456 should i answer that ? |
| 22:15.14 | keram | no its not right actually |
| 22:15.20 | h3sp4wn | keram: If its in the past gpgv will always give an error (that is all I can think of if there are no typos) security doesn't exist for etch |
| 22:15.40 | keram | h3sp4wn, i dont have the right time acutally |
| 22:15.54 | lojak | why doesn't languagechooser/language-name=English work when passed to the etch installer in a syslinux.cfg file |
| 22:16.03 | jelly-home | Dmd: you can just keep the defaults for most stuff except for the smarthost. |
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| 22:17.44 | defcon8 | http://www.infoverse.org/octomatics/ |
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| 22:18.23 | keram | how do i set the time? |
| 22:18.25 | keram | and make it right? |
| 22:18.53 | Dmd | jelly-home : http://pastebin.ca/194463 that's correct or must i fill in the internet ip adress |
| 22:18.54 | Dmd | ? |
| 22:19.03 | lojak | keram: use UTC |
| 22:19.05 | h3sp4wn | keram: I usually set the bios to GMT |
| 22:19.29 | keram | i'm on pacific time |
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| 22:19.46 | keram | i mean how do i set it though |
| 22:19.54 | keram | what is a command to do that? |
| 22:19.59 | h3sp4wn | keram: Read the motherboard manual |
| 22:20.06 | jelly-home | Dmd: just keep the default if there are no other local machines that would use this machine as a mail server. |
| 22:20.07 | h3sp4wn | keram: or use rdate or ntp |
| 22:20.18 | pandrew | hi! i am useing bash. i have a filename in a variable. how do i check if its extension is .txt? thank you |
| 22:20.19 | keram | none of those are installed |
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| 22:20.34 | tarzeau | pandrew: see basename |
| 22:20.52 | Dmd | okay thnx |
| 22:21.19 | lojak | has anyone here ever done an automated install? |
| 22:21.20 | keram | ugh |
| 22:21.35 | keram | can i ask the process of upgrading from sarge to etch? |
| 22:21.48 | Dmd | jelly-home : one last question i should use this option right internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP i have a'n static ip |
| 22:21.48 | Dmd | ? |
| 22:21.54 | pandrew | thanks |
| 22:22.08 | jelly-home | Dmd: is this a server? |
| 22:22.36 | Dmd | yes it is |
| 22:22.39 | craigevil | keram take a look here> http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-sarge-to-etch.html |
| 22:22.44 | jelly-home | Dmd: what's your ip? |
| 22:22.46 | Dmd | these are the options |
| 22:22.49 | Dmd | http://pastebin.ca/194467 |
| 22:23.00 | Dmd | why you wanna know |
| 22:23.01 | Dmd | ? |
| 22:23.32 | jelly-home | Dmd: so can see if it's a real ip or an internal one like 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x |
| 22:24.31 | Dmd | my ip is |
| 22:24.35 | Dmd | 10.0.0.138 |
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| 22:24.56 | jelly-home | Dmd: well, that's not a valid static ip. |
| 22:25.30 | keram | craigevil, i'm getting errors |
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| 22:26.07 | Dmd | jelly-home : 10.0.0.160 is my internal ip from my server and my extarnel ip do i have to give it ;p |
| 22:26.11 | Dmd | ? |
| 22:26.58 | Dmd | which options should i choose for |
| 22:27.01 | jelly-home | Dmd: /msg me if you want, I don't really need your ip but am trying to understand what are you going to use the machine for. |
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| 22:27.29 | Dmd | i want to use it as my mail server |
| 22:27.34 | jelly-home | Dmd: is it going to receive all the mail for your domain? |
| 22:27.46 | Dmd | extern and intern |
| 22:27.49 | jelly-home | Dmd: that is, the (primary) MX server? |
| 22:28.27 | Dmd | jelly-home : yes i have a'n mx record |
| 22:28.35 | Dmd | but which option should i choose for |
| 22:28.50 | jelly-home | Dmd: good. choose internet site, yes. |
| 22:28.59 | Dmd | ok |
| 22:29.04 | jelly-home | Dmd: also some previous stuff was wrong then. |
| 22:29.36 | jelly-home | Dmd: should have left http://pastebin.ca/194417 empty, for example. |
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| 22:31.00 | jelly-home | Dmd: also, for http://pastebin.ca/194456 you should have put in all the domains this machine is going to be MX for. |
| 22:31.13 | craigevil | keram this one is newer and covers the udev/new kernel update> http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/103/133/ |
| 22:31.38 | friederich09 | #kaffeine |
| 22:32.18 | jelly-home | Dmd: so you'll have to run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-daemon-light" to enter the correct values after this is fifnshed. |
| 22:33.03 | beered | I have 4 USB hubs/ports. Only 1 is used. I have UPS connected to it. How do I find out to which USB port UPS is connected to? |
| 22:33.03 | jelly-home | Dmd: I wrongly assumed this was a non-server machine. |
| 22:33.14 | jelly-home | beered: lsusb? |
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| 22:33.36 | beered | jelly-home: I get a list of 4 devices with 0000:00000 ID's. |
| 22:33.52 | beered | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 22:33.54 | beered | etc. |
| 22:34.06 | Dmd | jelly-home so i must fill just this http://pastebin.ca/194474 like mydomain.nl mydomian.nl mydomain.nl ? |
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| 22:34.32 | jelly-home | beered: hmm, no idea then |
| 22:34.36 | Dmd | so all the domains i have? |
| 22:34.42 | jelly-home | Dmd: yes |
| 22:34.45 | Dmd | ok :) |
| 22:34.49 | beered | anybody else? |
| 22:35.38 | jelly-home | Dmd: also enter the fqdn of this host (host.domain.com). |
| 22:35.59 | Dmd | jelly-home : http://pastebin.ca/194483 should this be correct i have put there my mx record ? |
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| 22:36.17 | HeartLess` | i need help? |
| 22:36.23 | HeartLess` | how to upgrade kde? |
| 22:36.31 | HeartLess` | where i can find packages in deb |
| 22:36.40 | jelly-home | Dmd: no, leave it empty |
| 22:36.54 | Dmd | okay |
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| 22:37.56 | jelly-home | Dmd: please send your MX record, I want to make sure this is all correct and it might help. |
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| 22:38.52 | jelly-home | beered: btw, is the ups switched on? :-) |
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| 22:39.53 | beered | jelly-home: yes, of course. :-)) |
| 22:41.16 | beered | jelly-home: how do I find out /dev/whatever of a usb port/hub? |
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| 22:41.50 | jelly-home | beered: I'm not sure there _is_ a /dev/whatever |
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| 22:42.43 | jelly-home | beered: but all usb devices should be visible in eg. /sys/bus/usb/devices |
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| 22:43.28 | beered | heh |
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| 22:45.50 | HeartLess` | can anyone help here !! |
| 22:46.49 | Xorm | HeartLess`, ask? |
| 22:47.10 | Xorm | We don't know if we can help if we don't know what the problem is. |
| 22:47.28 | HeartLess` | Xorm, sure |
| 22:47.35 | HeartLess` | Xorm, how to make win modems work?? |
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| 22:49.23 | HeartLess` | <----- poor begginer |
| 22:49.29 | dvs | Xorm: you asked. ;-) |
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| 22:51.41 | lunitik | www.linmodems.org |
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| 22:54.29 | HeartLess` | lunitik, thank u |
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| 22:56.15 | host` | I'm looking for a general list of what's on the installation CDs so I can determine which ones I need |
| 22:57.37 | host` | any idea where I can find that? |
| 22:58.44 | Eulex | !cd contents |
| 22:58.45 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 22:59.04 | host` | thanks Eulex |
| 22:59.07 | Eulex | yw :) |
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| 23:03.45 | s0crates | I made a kernel deb from source and once I try to reboot it I get a kernel pacnic saying that the root file system can't be booted. How should I trouble shoot the problem? |
| 23:04.02 | host` | hmm, ndiswrapper is on cd 14, is there another program installed on the earlier CDs that will let me use my wlan? |
| 23:04.51 | mike-e | hi which repositories have the win 32 codecs? |
| 23:04.56 | liable | ok, so i need to disable, will check the changelog i guess (as i guess i should have done already :) |
| 23:05.45 | mankod | mike-e, you use automatix for get the codecs ! |
| 23:06.01 | tuv | host`, what's your chip? |
| 23:07.16 | host` | chip? as in cpu? or wireless hardware? |
| 23:07.31 | tuv | host`, wireless adapter chip |
| 23:07.36 | host` | ralink |
| 23:07.44 | s0crates | anyone have any advice? |
| 23:07.45 | host` | what is it called ra2500 I think |
| 23:08.04 | Kevin` | rt2500? |
| 23:08.05 | host` | rt2500 is the driver |
| 23:08.15 | Kevin` | I have one of those |
| 23:08.15 | dvs | s0crates: compile your IDE controller and filesystems into the kernel and not as modules |
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| 23:09.27 | Coweater | bah, it's probably just a misconfigured boot loader |
| 23:09.42 | tuv | host`, you can install the driver using module-assistant |
| 23:09.44 | host` | Kevin`, what wrapper do you use to run it? |
| 23:09.47 | host` | ahh |
| 23:09.54 | Coweater | or he didn't use the make-kpkg like he should've |
| 23:10.11 | tuv | host`, are you running a debian kernel? |
| 23:10.22 | host` | I will be |
| 23:10.23 | Kevin` | host` why would I use a wrapper |
| 23:10.26 | Kevin` | I use the native linux driver |
| 23:10.29 | host` | nvm |
| 23:11.00 | tuv | host`, run 'm-a prepare; m-a update; m-a a-i rt2500' and you're done |
| 23:11.26 | tuv | host`, there are drivers for rt2400, rt2500, and rt2570 |
| 23:12.00 | host` | sweet |
| 23:12.07 | tuv | host`, you can browse additional kernel modules (drivers) available through module-assistant by running 'm-a' and choosing 'select' |
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| 23:12.09 | host` | sould it matter that's it's usb? |
| 23:13.23 | tuv | host`, it *should* work alright |
| 23:13.34 | tuv | host`, haven't tried it though :) |
| 23:13.38 | host` | that's so much easier than it was when I had debian on my old computer, it's been about a year since I had a computer. I had to do way to much to get my wlan card working |
| 23:13.52 | host` | thanks tuv |
| 23:15.04 | tuv | np |
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| 23:19.21 | Cybo-mobile | what is the commmand to set x-www-broswer? |
| 23:20.00 | Cybo-mobile | or rather x-www-browser using alternatives |
| 23:20.09 | xingu | update-alternatives |
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| 23:20.41 | Cybo-mobile | thanks, looking at it now |
| 23:21.42 | tuxedup | what command do I need to issue to regenerate my /etc/network/interface file? AM I able to run the network configuration things from the debin install after installation? |
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| 23:23.45 | LoneWlf | tuxedup, possibly sudo systemsettings |
| 23:23.50 | LoneWlf | very mac os/x |
| 23:23.56 | LoneWlf | can't imagine that it doesn't update the files |
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| 23:24.57 | tuxedup | LoneWlf: I dont use gnome. I have no ide what part of the configuration file is wrong, so I was hoping I could just regenerate it |
| 23:25.28 | Cybo-mobile | yes, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser worked very well, thank you |
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| 23:28.52 | LoneWlf | tuxedup, I know there was a way to get back to it, but I'm not remembering, possibly dpkg-reconfigure something or other, still looking |
| 23:29.35 | Makenai | Hi all. What's the best way of handling automatically setting up a wirless internet connection for PCMCIA cards? I need to run wap_supplicant and dhclienth to get going manually. Is there an easy way of making this happen when I start up with the card inserted, as well as when I insert the card at any other time? |
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| 23:30.14 | h3sp4wn | Makenai: /etc/network/interfaces (at least for etch and sid) |
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| 23:31.20 | Makenai | h3sp4wn: Thanks - I have etch by the way. Reading the man page now. |
| 23:32.21 | h3sp4wn | Makenai: zcat /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz | less |
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| 23:32.48 | h3sp4wn | Makenai: (that is the wpa related stuff - man interfaces and man wireless doesn't mention it (or didn't when I last checked) |
| 23:33.23 | xingu | "zless" |
| 23:33.46 | LoneWlf | tuxedup : sudo apt-get install etherconf |
| 23:33.51 | Makenai | Thanks hesp4wn - that's exactly what I needed :) |
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| 23:34.20 | nono31 | hi |
| 23:34.25 | Cybo-mobile | hi |
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| 23:35.09 | nono31 | Does anyone know if libapache2-svn is making apache2.2 load failling? (using sid) |
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| 23:37.11 | sarefo | hi, how can i change the console screen resolution in etch? |
| 23:37.26 | sarefo | i'm new to debian btw |
| 23:37.41 | nono31 | sarefo: do you see tux when debian starts? |
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| 23:38.03 | sarefo | no, just a text-only grub |
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| 23:38.20 | nono31 | sarefo: and after that? |
| 23:38.23 | sarefo | nono31: although that would be nice :) |
| 23:38.35 | sarefo | well, it loads up until a prompt occurs. |
| 23:38.51 | psychonate | anyone answer that default browser question whilst I was disconnected? |
| 23:38.59 | nono31 | sarefo: and when it loads, there is no tux on the top left of the screen? |
| 23:39.09 | sarefo | nono31: that's right. |
| 23:39.20 | Cybo-mobile | psychonate, you mean x-www-brower? |
| 23:39.21 | sarefo | iirc, that is |
| 23:39.23 | nono31 | sarefo: there is one? |
| 23:39.25 | WifiBrain | hello |
| 23:39.28 | psychonate | Cybo-mobile, yeah |
| 23:39.32 | sarefo | nono31: i don't think there is one. |
| 23:39.35 | psychonate | Cybo-mobile, 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' works well |
| 23:39.37 | sarefo | but i could be wrong. |
| 23:39.44 | Cybo-mobile | psychonate, ty |
| 23:40.00 | sarefo | i guess this should be configured in grub (smaller font), but i never got around doing anything in grub without an interface. |
| 23:40.02 | psychonate | Cybo-mobile, if that fails, change the /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser symlink yourself |
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| 23:40.03 | Cybo-mobile | took a few attempts to fathom out the --config switch was needed |
| 23:40.05 | chron | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 23:40.08 | chron | when running apt-get update |
| 23:40.12 | WifiBrain | that's a secret |
| 23:40.18 | sarefo | so is there any tool to change the console font? |
| 23:40.24 | psychonate | Cybo-mobile, heh |
| 23:41.46 | nono31 | sarefo: if you don't see tux, I'm not sure it will work |
| 23:42.17 | Cybo-mobile | sarefo, you want to run framebuffer for that function, iirc |
| 23:42.33 | nono31 | sarefo: having tux, means that you're sure that you're using a framebuffer console (someone tells me if i'm wrong). and then you can give a parameter at kernel load to change its resolution |
| 23:42.36 | tuv | sarefo, append vga option to your kernel line in grub's menu.conf |
| 23:42.42 | Cybo-mobile | that means you will need to spin your own kernel and re-config your xorg/xfree server |
| 23:43.12 | Cybo-mobile | tuv can you do that with out a framebuffer? |
| 23:43.20 | tuv | sarefo, see http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~gerald/laptop/vesafb.txt for a list of vga modes and the corresponding resolutions |
| 23:43.37 | tuv | Cybo-mobile, vesafb is compiled-in for debian kernels |
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| 23:44.36 | Cybo-mobile | so if you configured x-server and you did not include framebuffer, then you would need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 23:45.00 | psychonate | I don't think it has anything to do with X |
| 23:45.03 | tuv | Cybo-mobile, i'm talking about console resolution. this has absolutely nothing to do with X |
| 23:45.29 | h3sp4wn | tuv: Do you use vesa-tng or not ? what resolution do you want ? |
| 23:45.32 | macisaac | is there something missing here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/ like, all the rest of the arches...? |
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| 23:45.42 | sarefo | tuv: are we talking about /etc/menu-methods/menu.config? |
| 23:45.52 | tuv | h3sp4wn, i don't want anything |
| 23:45.59 | tuv | sarefo, /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 23:46.15 | h3sp4wn | tuv: I ment sarefo sorry |
| 23:46.18 | tuv | sarefo, sorry, i typed menu.conf first by mistake |
| 23:46.36 | tuv | sarefo, or it's menu.lst |
| 23:46.40 | psychonate | Can grub use animated boot menus? I remember there used to be a patch for it in Lilo. |
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| 23:47.11 | asdfmann | hello all |
| 23:47.13 | psychonate | http://www.gamers.org/~quinet/lilo/ |
| 23:47.16 | asdfmann | i just installed a billard games |
| 23:47.17 | asdfmann | !!! |
| 23:47.18 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 23:47.19 | asdfmann | :ddd |
| 23:47.21 | asdfmann | COOOL |
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| 23:47.23 | asdfmann | i like it |
| 23:47.24 | asdfmann | # |
| 23:47.25 | psychonate | asdfmann, foobillard? |
| 23:47.28 | asdfmann | yes |
| 23:47.28 | asdfmann | 1 |
| 23:47.30 | asdfmann | !!!! |
| 23:47.30 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 23:47.37 | asdfmann | but how can i use multiplayer` |
| 23:47.38 | asdfmann | doesnt work |
| 23:47.41 | asdfmann | my friend says |
| 23:47.47 | asdfmann | but i dont know why |
| 23:47.55 | asdfmann | can you help`? |
| 23:47.57 | tuv | sarefo, to test it out, hit 'e' while highlighting the kernel you want to boot at grub, then hit 'e' while on the kernel line, then append vga=<some-mode>, and hit 'b' |
| 23:48.00 | asdfmann | i really like this game |
| 23:48.05 | asdfmann | i am playing!! |
| 23:48.06 | asdfmann | :D:D |
| 23:48.13 | macisaac | umm guys, is there any debian site admins here? ftp.debian.org is missing a ton of etch arches, like ppc for instance... |
| 23:48.14 | psychonate | asdfmann, last time I tried, foobillard's multiplayer was rather precarious. Make sure you're both running the same version for one. |
| 23:48.26 | asdfmann | ok |
| 23:48.27 | asdfmann | thanks!! |
| 23:48.29 | asdfmann | i will try |
| 23:48.42 | asdfmann | but i always have blackscreen |
| 23:48.44 | psychonate | probably the same options too |
| 23:48.47 | asdfmann | after connect! |
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| 23:48.55 | h3sp4wn | sarefo: You will only get the framebuffer on one tty unless you edit /etc/console-tools/config (unhash APP_CHARSET_MAP=iso05 and APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc2=user) |
| 23:49.12 | psychonate | and if you're not on the same network, firewalls might screw you over |
| 23:49.13 | psychonate | dunno |
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| 23:49.19 | tuv | macisaac, http://www.us.debian.org/mirror/list lists mirrors with available arch's |
| 23:49.39 | d0uglas | what is "beagled-helper" and why is it eating up my cpu? |
| 23:50.06 | tuv | macisaac, ftp.debian.org has only i386 and amd64, according to that page |
| 23:50.15 | sarefo | ok, forget it guys, i'm *way* to tired to hack this together right now. thx anyways :) |
| 23:50.26 | asdfmann | are you hacker? |
| 23:50.30 | asdfmann | teach me hacking |
| 23:50.37 | asdfmann | i want to hack my friend |
| 23:50.38 | asdfmann | haha :D |
| 23:50.42 | asdfmann | or read emails |
| 23:50.42 | macisaac | tuv: ah, didn't know that... seems odd to me, but thanks for correcting me. |
| 23:50.43 | asdfmann | of friend |
| 23:50.50 | asdfmann | oh |
| 23:50.52 | asdfmann | :( |
| 23:50.55 | d0uglas | i want to redbox my grades higher |
| 23:51.04 | d0uglas | 2600ghz yo |
| 23:51.06 | psychonate | asdfmann, do you inject caffeine intravenously? |
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| 23:51.18 | asdfmann | why do you ask psychonate? :DDD |
| 23:51.20 | asdfmann | i took meth |
| 23:51.22 | asdfmann | meth rocks!°!° |
| 23:51.24 | tuv | what hacking is he talking about? he only had to type like vga=0x317 ! |
| 23:51.26 | asdfmann | really |
| 23:51.29 | asdfmann | my first time |
| 23:51.32 | d0uglas | meth is the new pot |
| 23:51.34 | asdfmann | but i didnt use the gun |
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| 23:51.40 | asdfmann | i used my nose!! |
| 23:51.41 | asdfmann | :DD |
| 23:51.46 | asdfmann | meth - nothing is better. |
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| 23:51.52 | asdfmann | meth - use it or leave it. :DDD |
| 23:51.54 | asdfmann | :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDdd |
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| 23:52.05 | asdfmann | whatever |
| 23:52.09 | asdfmann | how are you guys? |
| 23:52.12 | d0uglas | it's important to have some viagra handing when you do crank so you don't feel like less of a man |
| 23:52.13 | asdfmann | someone neered help?` |
| 23:52.15 | d0uglas | know what i'm sayin' ? |
| 23:52.23 | d0uglas | handing=handy |
| 23:52.24 | bsmntbombdood | I need some help getting my microphone to work. I have a Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] sound card. When I try to record from It I just get silence. |
| 23:52.53 | asdfmann | i can help |
| 23:52.55 | asdfmann | :DD |
| 23:53.01 | asdfmann | what help do you need? |
| 23:53.06 | asdfmann | i will try to help you man! |
| 23:53.08 | asdfmann | :D |
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| 23:53.16 | asdfmann | but i cant all the time |
| 23:53.16 | bsmntbombdood | I need my mic to work |
| 23:53.18 | asdfmann | sorry |
| 23:53.21 | asdfmann | i dont know everythiong |
| 23:53.27 | asdfmann | i always try to do my best |
| 23:53.28 | asdfmann | ok |
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| 23:53.32 | asdfmann | so if you got problems |
| 23:53.34 | asdfmann | just ask me |
| 23:53.36 | asdfmann | i will try |
| 23:53.39 | p2hicy | asdfmann: Please go away, you're annoying. |
| 23:53.40 | d0uglas | bsmntbombdood: /msg me what you want to record and i'll dcc you the wav |
| 23:53.41 | asdfmann | what mic do you have? |
| 23:53.51 | asdfmann | and what drivers are you using? |
| 23:53.55 | bsmntbombdood | asdfmann: I dunno, just some mic |
| 23:53.59 | asdfmann | did you use kernel inject? |
| 23:54.02 | asdfmann | for just some baking |
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| 23:54.07 | asdfmann | and i think of that way |
| 23:54.11 | asdfmann | but i nerver used to do |
| 23:54.12 | d0uglas | kernel inject, that sounds badass |
| 23:54.13 | asdfmann | i was there |
| 23:54.18 | asdfmann | i baked kernel |
| 23:54.22 | asdfmann | when i had gentoo |
| 23:54.24 | asdfmann | but not anymore |
| 23:54.25 | tuv | bsmntbombdood, run alsamixer and check mic volume. then hit 'tab' to go to Capture controls and check 'Capture' and 'Mix'. Hit 'm' to unmute |
| 23:54.27 | asdfmann | because debian rocks |
| 23:54.28 | asdfmann | :DD |
| 23:54.31 | *** part/#debian cunzhang (n=opera@218.7.43.198) |
| 23:54.35 | asdfmann | and i dont even have to compile xorg |
| 23:54.39 | asdfmann | it toook sooooo long |
| 23:54.41 | asdfmann | with gentoo |
| 23:54.46 | asdfmann | guys.. like 5 hours |
| 23:54.47 | asdfmann | LOL! |
| 23:54.52 | asdfmann | i was sitting there |
| 23:54.57 | asdfmann | and thought "omg" |
| 23:54.58 | *** join/#debian redguy (n=mati@acu169.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:55.03 | d0uglas | bsmntbombdood: give aumix a try too |
| 23:55.08 | asdfmann | and after that |
| 23:55.12 | asdfmann | i tried to compile KDE |
| 23:55.18 | asdfmann | that took another 10 hours |
| 23:55.21 | asdfmann | than i stopped |
| 23:55.24 | asdfmann | and used debian |
| 23:55.31 | asdfmann | because my friend told me debian is cool |
| 23:55.38 | asdfmann | and i didnt want to use windows anymore |
| 23:55.42 | asdfmann | because of those bad bugs |
| 23:55.48 | asdfmann | and free software is much better |
| 23:55.52 | *** join/#debian SHS` (i=SHS_@phpbb/manager/SHS) |
| 23:55.53 | asdfmann | than commericla software |
| 23:55.57 | asdfmann | you know what i mean? |
| 23:56.11 | chron | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 23:56.12 | chron | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 23:56.12 | chron | E: Error occured while processing python-wxgtk2.6 (NewVersion1) |
| 23:56.12 | chron | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 23:56.12 | chron | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 23:56.12 | *** kick/#debian [chron!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 23:56.12 | *** join/#debian chron (n=user@premeditate.org) |
| 23:56.16 | d0uglas | it's strange but true, yo |
| 23:56.27 | chron | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 23:56.27 | chron | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 23:56.27 | chron | E: Error occured while processing python-wxgtk2.6 (NewVersion1) |
| 23:56.29 | chron | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unst |
| 23:56.29 | *** kick/#debian [chron!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 23:56.29 | *** join/#debian chron (n=user@premeditate.org) |
| 23:56.36 | chron | wtf is that shit |
| 23:56.40 | tuv | asdfmann, you may want to type into a text editor then paste meaningful sentence to your irc client |
| 23:56.42 | chron | when doing 'apt-get update' |
| 23:56.45 | Mawbid | I'm having "could not open default font 'fixed'" trouble. xfonts-base is installed, fonts.alias and fonts.dir exist in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc (after I ran update-fonts-dir misc) and Xorg.conf includes that font dir. I'm running sid |
| 23:56.46 | *** join/#debian chrols (n=chrols@cust.fiber-lan.vnet.lk.85.194.49.23.stunet.se) |
| 23:57.08 | liable | chron: dont paste in here |
| 23:57.14 | Shadowcat | chron: if you want any help from us |
| 23:57.15 | liable | !tell chron about mmap |
| 23:57.19 | Shadowcat | stop flooding the channel |
| 23:57.19 | asdfmann | chrols, please dont past in here |
| 23:57.23 | *** join/#debian Ghostbuster_ (n=richard@Sudbury-Cable17.onlink.net) |
| 23:57.24 | bsmntbombdood | tuv: Ok, still doesn't work |
| 23:57.26 | asdfmann | we dont want it here |
| 23:57.31 | asdfmann | use #floof |
| 23:57.33 | asdfmann | #flood |
| 23:57.40 | chrols | asdfmann: Have I pasted something? |
| 23:57.42 | asdfmann | or use the paster bot |
| 23:57.47 | asdfmann | oh |
| 23:57.53 | asdfmann | sorry chrols |
| 23:57.54 | Shadowcat | chrols: your nick is similar to chron |
| 23:58.05 | chrols | OK |
| 23:58.10 | *** part/#debian the_empty (n=the_empt@ip70-190-69-227.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:58.26 | Shadowcat | so you're gonna get aliased by mistake |
| 23:58.43 | bsmntbombdood | argh What do I do |
| 23:58.45 | chrols | Anyways, anybody here running an AMD64 system with crossover office? |
| 23:59.10 | tuv | bsmntbombdood, hit space while on Mic in the capture tab |
| 23:59.28 | bsmntbombdood | tuv: and? |
| 23:59.32 | tuv | bsmntbombdood, and increase 'Capture' volume in the capture tab |
| 23:59.40 | d0uglas | i'm trying to enable fglrx and with modconf i get this: "fold in" the panel by clicking on one of the arrows at the ends of the panel. Alternatively, make it hide automatically by changing the settings in the Control Center (Desktop->Panels, Hiding tab). |
| 23:59.42 | bsmntbombdood | I did |
| 23:59.43 | d0uglas | For more information about Kicker, the KDE Panel, see the Kicker Handbook. woops |
| 23:59.44 | chrols | Anybody here running a amd64 system for that matter? |
| 23:59.50 | d0uglas | not that |
