| 00:00.02 | tuv | bsmntbombdood, and increase the Mic volume in the Playback tab |
| 00:00.22 | tuv | bsmntbombdood, and try different options on 'Mic Select' |
| 00:00.42 | d0uglas | i get this when i try to enable fglrx: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-1-k7/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 00:00.48 | d0uglas | any ideas? |
| 00:01.28 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: inserting it with modprobe ? |
| 00:01.38 | d0uglas | h3sp4wn: right |
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| 00:01.45 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: As root ? |
| 00:02.01 | d0uglas | yes |
| 00:03.03 | d0uglas | should I not be root? sudo? |
| 00:03.23 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: it should be as root |
| 00:03.35 | d0uglas | ok... well, that's not the problem |
| 00:03.41 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: Is radeon still loaded ''lsmod | grep radeon`` |
| 00:03.58 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: And you are in cli ? |
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| 00:05.36 | d0uglas | h3sp4wn: "radeon 100000 2, drm 61844 3 radeon, radeonfb 94784 3, i2c_algo_bit 8776 1 radeonfb, i2c_core 20096 4 radeonfb,i2c_ali1535,i2c_ali51x3 |
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| 00:05.49 | d0uglas | err ali15x3 |
| 00:06.13 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: You can use fglrx whilst those modules are loaded |
| 00:06.14 | derek_ | in setting permissions, who are the "others"? |
| 00:06.52 | d0uglas | h3sp4wn: by cli do you mean not xterm but a console? |
| 00:07.00 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: Yes |
| 00:07.11 | d0uglas | i was in x, i'll give the console a try |
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| 00:07.38 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: once you exit X do - modprobe -r radeon |
| 00:07.40 | asdfmann | http://fhg.teachmefisting.com/16041/images/fisting_16041-114.jpg |
| 00:07.50 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: aticonfig --initial |
| 00:07.54 | nokrev | wtf? |
| 00:07.55 | asdfmann | holy...shit |
| 00:08.03 | asdfmann | worng channel |
| 00:09.03 | asdfmann | !ops asdfmann |
| 00:09.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: asdfmann complains about: asdfmann |
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| 00:09.44 | liable | haha |
| 00:09.49 | derek_ | anyone knows the answer to my question? |
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| 00:11.39 | d0uglas | h3sp4wn: FATAL module in use... about to do the aticonfig... |
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| 00:11.48 | sarefo | hi again; any idea where's the best place to ask because of a problem regarding monitor setup with Xorg in etch? |
| 00:12.27 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: is radeon in /etc/modules ? |
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| 00:14.57 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: I take it you have stopped X (as opposed to just switching to a vt) |
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| 00:15.17 | d0uglas | h3sp4wn: no i control alt f1'ed |
| 00:15.23 | d0uglas | should i kill x? |
| 00:15.36 | sarefo | when starting X, it's giving me lots of: (WW) (1280x1024,Belinea) mode clock 108MHz exceeds DDC maximum 0MHz -like lines, and then defaults to 640 res; the very strange thing is that i had it running just nicely before a reboot. |
| 00:15.44 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: Definately - radeon will be being used by the ati driver you are using at the moment |
| 00:16.09 | d0uglas | all right... brb. |
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| 00:16.58 | sarefo | i've been sitting the last 2+ hours trying to get my nice working 2monitor xinerama back, or even a single monitor at a sensible resolution, but nothing will work. i even did a 'dexconf' to restore the original, but that only gives me 640x480 at really bad Hz |
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| 00:18.09 | sarefo | could that have to do something with "Failed to detect secondary monitor DDC, default HSync and VRefresh used" ? |
| 00:18.52 | sarefo | when i used the original at first (three or so days ago, fresh install) the resolution was ok. |
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| 00:19.13 | d0uglas | h3sp4wn: [drm] Module unloaded |
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| 00:19.37 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: just run ati-config --initial |
| 00:19.57 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: (I think that is the syntax but I don't have a suitable card anymore) |
| 00:21.06 | d0uglas | aticonfig --initial: Found fglrx primary device section. Nothing to do, terminating. |
| 00:21.21 | d0uglas | h3sp4wn: i just did modconf again, Installation succeeded. |
| 00:21.24 | d0uglas | i guess it was X |
| 00:21.43 | d0uglas | Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 374 MBytes... is that good? |
| 00:21.56 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: No idea ? is X loaded again ? |
| 00:22.06 | d0uglas | no, should i fire it up or reboot? |
| 00:22.22 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: just try fireing it up |
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| 00:23.51 | d0uglas | hmm, can't fire up x.. No devices detected, no screens found.. gotta reboot i guess |
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| 00:24.30 | bulio| | I'm running debian sarge with GNUMP3D to serve my music, its a headless server |
| 00:24.40 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: modprobe fglrx (first) if its not loaded |
| 00:24.51 | bulio| | what I wanted to know, is it possible to make the server play music when I click a link on gnump3d? |
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| 00:25.03 | bulio| | so If I hook it up to my surround sound, I can hear the music |
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| 00:28.05 | d0uglas_ | h3sp4wn: hmm, x is broked... gonna dpkg reconfigure it |
| 00:28.23 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas_: Just rename xorg.conf |
| 00:28.33 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas_: Then run at-config --initial (again) |
| 00:28.37 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas_: Then run ati-config --initial (again) |
| 00:28.38 | d0uglas_ | ok |
| 00:29.51 | d0uglas_ | i mved the conf, aticonfig --initial, Warning: Could not find configurano file. Please copy configuration file template to /etc/X11 |
| 00:29.57 | d0uglas_ | should i mv it back and try this again? |
| 00:31.29 | d0uglas_ | the debug info by the way ended with "Cannot run in framebuffer mode. |
| 00:31.39 | d0uglas_ | Should I switch that off with dpkg reconfigure? |
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| 00:33.34 | d0uglas_ | i'll try that |
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| 00:33.59 | d0uglas_ | h3sp4wn: should i have the glx module enabled? |
| 00:34.06 | d0uglas_ | on the xserver configuration? |
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| 00:34.31 | s0| | can someone fix my %^&*( APT so that it works... |
| 00:34.57 | s0| | I am sick of the borken forked and complete fuded depnedinces |
| 00:35.07 | s0| | that is the last GDMF time I ever let my system patch |
| 00:35.15 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas_: Well it is saying you can't have radeonfb loaded |
| 00:35.33 | s0| | I may be pissed but I am serious |
| 00:35.42 | d0uglas_ | ok but what about the glx module? |
| 00:35.53 | d0uglas_ | might that conflict with fglrx? |
| 00:35.59 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas_: I don't think it would matter |
| 00:36.05 | d0uglas_ | ok |
| 00:36.46 | d0uglas_ | h3sp4wn: thanks, by the way |
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| 00:38.55 | Ash-Fox | Debian doesn't contain any preemptive kernels by default right? |
| 00:39.52 | h3sp4wn | Ash-Fox: Real time preempt ? |
| 00:40.15 | h3sp4wn | Ash-Fox: Just rebuild with CFQ and low latency desktop (don't change anything else and it will be fine) |
| 00:40.21 | Ash-Fox | h3sp4wn, just standard preempt, I'm trying to escape the nightmare of preempt kernels that come on ubuntu |
| 00:40.44 | h3sp4wn | Ash-Fox: Not as far as I know |
| 00:40.53 | Ash-Fox | Fantastic. |
| 00:41.12 | h3sp4wn | Ash-Fox: You don't want preempt ? is this for a desktop ? |
| 00:42.50 | Ash-Fox | It's for a server that also has to have 3d acceleration on it's ati graphic card for handling a 3d 'game' (I say 'game' because it's not really a game in the way I'm using it). Unfortunate FGLRX likes to lockup on premptive kernels. |
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| 00:43.35 | Businessman | how can I make my pixma ip1600 printer work? |
| 00:44.01 | Businessman | on debian.. I haven't got any driver |
| 00:45.31 | helo | Ash-Fox: what kind of server? |
| 00:47.30 | Ash-Fox | helo, well... I'm usually running about 12 websites (LAMP) off it, a IRCd, ircd services, some bbs software called synchronet, mail server, print server and a few bots for certain games that allow me to establish a relay between them and IRC... yeah |
| 00:48.09 | helo | cool |
| 00:48.47 | Ash-Fox | Used to run fine under slackware, but then things got buggered up beyond repair :P |
| 00:48.48 | helo | anyone konw where you can toggle single/double clicking in gnome? |
| 00:49.05 | helo | i thought iw as under 'mouse' |
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| 00:49.33 | helo | ahh... nautilus prefs |
| 00:50.56 | Businessman | how can I make my pixma ip1600 printer work on debian? |
| 00:51.44 | Azar | tarzeau could you create a game for quad core? |
| 00:52.10 | derek_ | if the owner of a file is a user, does root have the rights over it? |
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| 00:53.08 | Azar | depends how you as user assign rights to the file |
| 00:53.27 | keram | What does this mean: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 00:53.38 | keram | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 00:53.44 | keram | but when i run apt-get update it doesnt fix anything |
| 00:53.48 | keram | what is up with that? |
| 00:54.04 | Azar | try using "testing" instead of "etch" |
| 00:54.08 | Ash-Fox | Is gpgv on your system? |
| 00:54.24 | keram | ok |
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| 00:54.52 | Azar | myself I wished I could use the names, but I do not get anything, so I switched to "stable" and "testing" |
| 00:55.05 | h3sp4wn | keram: Did you reset the time ? |
| 00:55.06 | Maria_26 | i have a one porble for mi website |
| 00:55.17 | derek_ | Azar: I don't understand. Can you give some examples? |
| 00:55.22 | keram | no i never figured out how |
| 00:55.42 | Maria_26 | keith wenas |
| 00:55.45 | h3sp4wn | keram: go into the bios when you bootup (either delete f1 or f2) |
| 00:55.48 | Maria_26 | der0b hello |
| 00:55.53 | Azar | derek_ in the /etc/apt/sources.list file, edit it to point to "testing" by replacing the "etch" stanza |
| 00:56.39 | Azar | ah, you ftp directly? then use the ftp://..blabla.. testing (instead of etch) |
| 00:56.41 | Ash-Fox | Well, yesterday was a bad day... ubuntu-server completely ruined my day... now it's 3am.. still haven't slept.. let's try debian.. WEEEE |
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| 00:57.21 | derek_ | Azar: I asked about the file permissions |
| 00:57.25 | Azar | ah |
| 00:57.32 | Azar | sure wait a moment |
| 00:57.41 | derek_ | "Azar: depends how you as user assign rights to the file" |
| 00:57.53 | d0uglas | i just switched from gnome to kde.. when i was in gnome, my battery would last a half hour, now i'm getting about two hours out of it. Why might that be? Processor regulation? I've got an amd k7 2600 |
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| 00:58.04 | Azar | derek_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
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| 00:58.21 | derek_ | d0uglas: in gnome only 1/2 hour??? |
| 00:58.36 | d0uglas | under an hour, sometimes that low |
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| 00:59.07 | d0uglas | i also upgraded kernels when i switched... more likely that did it |
| 00:59.35 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: One of the kde laptop power management daemons maybe |
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| 00:59.57 | d0uglas | well i guess i shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth |
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| 01:00.32 | helo | is it possible to disable nautilus's opening of new windows for every new folder opened? |
| 01:00.51 | helo | that is idiotic behavior |
| 01:01.00 | d0uglas | h3sp4wn: i rebooted, now the video doesn't lag for 15 seconds when i pop in and out of x |
| 01:01.02 | d0uglas | nice. |
| 01:01.11 | helo | terribly stupid retardation |
| 01:01.11 | d0uglas | i'll test out gl stuff |
| 01:01.18 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: So fglrx is working ? |
| 01:01.23 | d0uglas | about to find out |
| 01:01.26 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: fgl_glxgears |
| 01:01.32 | d0uglas | right |
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| 01:01.49 | Azar | helo what is nautilus? |
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| 01:02.23 | h3sp4wn | gnome file manger (that sucks - well thats what I think) |
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| 01:03.00 | d0uglas | fgl_glxgears doesn't fire up at all, says BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes), Major opcode of failed request: 144(GLX), minor opcode of failed request: 5(X_GLXMakeCurrent), Serial number of failed request: 33, current serial number in output stream: 33 |
| 01:03.14 | d0uglas | glxgears fires up, gets about 1.5 fps... big improvement actually |
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| 01:03.51 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: fglrxinfo - probably says mesa ? correct ? |
| 01:04.03 | NaufraGo | is there any way to use my pixma ip1600 printer on debian!!!?? |
| 01:04.22 | jetscreamer | so why do they always fuck up kdelibs-blah |
| 01:04.27 | reilithion | How can I find out how close the D compiler is to being included in the Testing distro? |
| 01:04.47 | d0uglas | h3sp4wn: OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, inc., OpenGL rendering string: Mesa DRI Radeon 20060327 AGP 4x NO-TCL, OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.3 Mesa 6.5.1) |
| 01:04.50 | jetscreamer | and anybody know when they're gonna unfuck nautilus? |
| 01:05.12 | d0uglas | i did try to install the libmesa stuff |
| 01:05.26 | d0uglas | and i installed xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 01:05.33 | jetscreamer | you'll need to redo fglrx |
| 01:05.40 | jetscreamer | if you want to use it |
| 01:05.45 | jetscreamer | jsut like win95 |
| 01:05.51 | jetscreamer | uninstall and reinstall |
| 01:05.52 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: You are not even using fglrx |
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| 01:06.57 | NaufraGo | is there any way to use my pixma ip1600 printer on debian? |
| 01:07.16 | jetscreamer | linprinting.org might know, if i remembered the url correctly |
| 01:07.18 | d0uglas | i apted all the fglrx packages, attempted to install the kernel source (not sure if it worked).. |
| 01:07.32 | jetscreamer | looks like it didn't |
| 01:07.59 | jetscreamer | i've never done fglrx cept once though |
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| 01:08.15 | bsmntbombdood | How can I make it so that what is coming in my mic doesn't come out my speakers? |
| 01:08.16 | jetscreamer | what kind of radeon is it? |
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| 01:08.38 | jetscreamer | <=9200's have 3d in the xorg drivers iirc |
| 01:09.03 | d0uglas | jetscreamer: radeon mobility UI |
| 01:09.39 | jetscreamer | sounds like it's > 9200 |
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| 01:10.11 | reilithion | How can I find out why X package is not in Testing yet? |
| 01:10.22 | helo | so did gdesklets ever really take off? |
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| 01:10.24 | reilithion | In particuler, the D compiler |
| 01:10.28 | jetscreamer | !why is x not in testing |
| 01:10.29 | dpkg | x is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=x |
| 01:10.30 | d0uglas | i igp320m |
| 01:10.32 | nokrev | Hmm… when using the GUI Install in Etch, Samba always causes the "Select and install software" step to fail. :/ |
| 01:10.46 | reilithion | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 01:11.01 | jetscreamer | reilithion: it's probably a site that says something dum |
| 01:11.04 | jetscreamer | or funny |
| 01:11.06 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 01:11.27 | reilithion | jetscreamer: Actually, I've been there before I think. If memory serves, it was useful |
| 01:11.51 | jetscreamer | ah it doesn't look like a joke |
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| 01:13.42 | Azar | jetscreamer: that means that the etch release will be delayed? |
| 01:13.58 | reilithion | Hmm. Not what I was expecting. |
| 01:14.23 | jetscreamer | Azar: ? |
| 01:14.27 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 01:14.28 | reilithion | What package would the GNU D compiler be included in? |
| 01:14.32 | nokrev | I had to disable "Desktop environment" when in "Software selection", in order to avoid Samba from killing the install. Is there an easy way to make it get all the packages it would install for desktop env once I have it installed? |
| 01:14.42 | Azar | jetscreamer: sorry I had to re-read your sentence, I mis-understood |
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| 01:15.00 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xorg if etch, add gnome or kde to taste |
| 01:15.20 | jetscreamer | the gnome and kde metapackages are bloated pigs though |
| 01:15.22 | nokrev | that's all? |
| 01:15.27 | helo | anyone konw of a decently full-featured x terminal emulator that has much better performance than gnome-terminal? |
| 01:15.34 | helo | gnome-terminal is a dog] |
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| 01:15.40 | Azar | helo: openbox? |
| 01:15.53 | Azar | ahh no sorry I am so dumb, |
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| 01:16.04 | jetscreamer | yeah... you might try apt-cache search something | grep somethingelse |
| 01:16.16 | jetscreamer | gnome-core, kde-base.. i forget |
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| 01:16.36 | jetscreamer | i like gnome-terminal, but i don't do much |
| 01:16.40 | Azar | helo, I only use X with a bg image for wallpaper and openbox, never used gnome or kde |
| 01:16.48 | jetscreamer | did you try that enhanced gnome terminal? |
| 01:16.56 | jetscreamer | multi-gnome-term or something |
| 01:17.07 | jetscreamer | just use zsh in console |
| 01:17.29 | jetscreamer | i use icewm mostly |
| 01:17.47 | Azar | that one is nice too |
| 01:17.48 | helo | i'm beginning to be annoyed with gnome |
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| 01:18.04 | jetscreamer | i've been having the xcursor stay on my screen today, after i exit X |
| 01:18.13 | Azar | helo if you love icons, you will not like plain X with a wm |
| 01:18.23 | helo | i've used windowmaker before :) |
| 01:18.23 | jetscreamer | gnome is good looking though |
| 01:18.24 | helo | and ice... |
| 01:18.36 | jetscreamer | fluxbox if pretty |
| 01:18.38 | helo | i like the incredible snappiness... |
| 01:19.14 | jetscreamer | compiz has some very cool effects, but i've never gotten it working correctly |
| 01:19.32 | Azar | i like to keep my system light, I detest bloated applications |
| 01:19.34 | helo | my wife's been using my machine lately, and she wouldn't know wth to do if there wasn't any desktop icons |
| 01:19.45 | Duelist | does anyone happen to have a copy of thoggen-0.4.2-2.deb laying around? |
| 01:19.53 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 01:19.53 | dpkg | somebody said sdn was go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 01:19.55 | Duelist | can't get it from snapshot.debian.net for some unknown reason. |
| 01:20.01 | Azar | right click, opens the menu , navigate through and open anything from there |
| 01:20.05 | Duelist | I wouldn't be asking here if I could get it from there. |
| 01:20.18 | Ash-Fox | Does debian use /media at all? or is it all /mnt? |
| 01:20.26 | helo | i like the dock for amarok and gaim icons... does icewm or openbox have a dock? |
| 01:20.31 | Duelist | Debian uses exclusively /media |
| 01:20.37 | Ash-Fox | Duelist, thankyou :) |
| 01:20.38 | Duelist | from what I can see |
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| 01:20.52 | abrotman | Duelist: why not ? |
| 01:21.05 | jetscreamer | pdo ? |
| 01:21.08 | Duelist | abrotman: comes up 403 Permission Denied |
| 01:21.15 | abrotman | Duelist: really ? |
| 01:21.25 | Duelist | abrotman: at least it did when I last tried. |
| 01:21.35 | Duelist | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/05/01/debian/pool/main/t/thoggen/ |
| 01:22.09 | jetscreamer | Ash-Fox: it used to be /mnt |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | Duelist: eh .. that's really odd |
| 01:22.27 | jetscreamer | so you still see the dir |
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| 01:22.45 | Ash-Fox | jetscreamer, yeah, I haven't used Debian in quite a few years. =) |
| 01:23.08 | jetscreamer | You don't have permission to access /archive/2006/05/01/debian/pool/main/t/thoggen/ on this server. |
| 01:23.15 | abrotman | Duelist: there's 0.4.2-2+b1 in etch/sid |
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| 01:23.18 | Azar | strange quietness on Debian News, since Oct 26 nothing was published.. |
| 01:23.22 | abrotman | Duelist: not the one you need though ? |
| 01:23.36 | Azar | err Sept 26th |
| 01:23.51 | Duelist | abrotman: I'm trying to make restore CDs for the packages I have installed now. 0.4.2-2+b1 wants at least a new dbus library |
| 01:23.57 | abrotman | oh |
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| 01:24.21 | abrotman | well .. nope .. i don't ahve it |
| 01:24.44 | jetscreamer | Duelist: go here and search, something comes up |
| 01:24.44 | jetscreamer | http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 01:25.21 | Duelist | jetscreamer: already did. 403 |
| 01:25.21 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's offline for some reason ? |
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| 01:26.36 | jetscreamer | 2006/24/01 works though |
| 01:26.37 | derek_ | how to manually install a .deb ? |
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| 01:26.41 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i |
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| 01:27.01 | derek_ | dpkg -i file.deb , that's it? |
| 01:27.04 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 01:27.09 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 01:27.18 | jetscreamer | maybe what i told you will melt your box |
| 01:27.28 | jetscreamer | maybe you should do what abrotman said |
| 01:27.32 | jetscreamer | jsut to chekc |
| 01:27.34 | jetscreamer | check |
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| 01:30.17 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:30.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:31.18 | derek_ | after sometime this prints: APIC error on CPU0: 00(40) |
| 01:31.24 | derek_ | what is this?? |
| 01:31.33 | derek_ | I don't have X at the moment |
| 01:31.42 | abrotman | nothing to do with X |
| 01:31.43 | jetscreamer | advanced programming something something |
| 01:31.57 | jetscreamer | you can add noapic to the boot line |
| 01:32.05 | Duelist | sure it's not APCI? |
| 01:32.09 | abrotman | !apic |
| 01:32.09 | Duelist | that would be a power management thign |
| 01:32.09 | dpkg | [apic] an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 01:32.11 | Duelist | thign* |
| 01:32.16 | jetscreamer | there's a nolapic but i don't know what it does |
| 01:32.18 | Duelist | thing* |
| 01:32.20 | derek_ | ok |
| 01:32.20 | Duelist | damn I can't type. |
| 01:32.21 | abrotman | Duelist: no .. that's acpi |
| 01:32.28 | Duelist | sheesh |
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| 01:32.34 | Duelist | okay, sorry for my lack of caffeine |
| 01:32.48 | derek_ | !acpi |
| 01:32.49 | dpkg | [acpi] Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 01:32.54 | derek_ | hm |
| 01:33.05 | jetscreamer | apic can be a setting in your bios |
| 01:33.14 | jetscreamer | it can also not be one |
| 01:33.24 | jetscreamer | unless you flash some modded bios |
| 01:33.25 | derek_ | heh |
| 01:34.09 | jetscreamer | it's there, just the setting for it in bios wasn't |
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| 01:34.28 | jetscreamer | (others, too) |
| 01:35.07 | Duelist | looks like thoggen 0.4.2-1 at least installs |
| 01:35.11 | jetscreamer | but you can just append noapic to your boot line, the kernel thing in lilo.conf or grub's menu.lst |
| 01:35.31 | derek_ | is apic something that controls turning of the display after a set time period? |
| 01:35.34 | Duelist | I unfortunately have no DVD drive in here (planned on installing it to do the encode after ripping to a future portable hard drive on another box) |
| 01:35.43 | abrotman | derek_: that's acpi and dpms |
| 01:35.57 | derek_ | k |
| 01:36.03 | derek_ | so what is apic about? |
| 01:36.15 | wols_ | IRQ lines |
| 01:36.19 | derek_ | and why did that error got print/ |
| 01:36.38 | derek_ | get* printed* |
| 01:36.38 | jetscreamer | interrupt controller |
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| 01:37.11 | wols_ | jetscreamer: *hardware* interrupt controller |
| 01:37.22 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 01:37.23 | TheDecider | is there somewhere I can find good templates for open office? |
| 01:37.25 | jetscreamer | google |
| 01:37.34 | jetscreamer | oo.org? |
| 01:37.38 | abrotman | TheDecider: ask #openoffice.org |
| 01:37.56 | TheDecider | abrotman, if I go there and no one is there... |
| 01:37.57 | TheDecider | ;) |
| 01:38.04 | derek_ | TheDecider: what kind of template are you looking for? |
| 01:38.18 | TheDecider | sweet... it is a channel |
| 01:38.22 | abrotman | #openoffice.org 53 |
| 01:38.25 | TheDecider | derek_, resume :) |
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| 01:38.31 | derek_ | :) |
| 01:38.33 | TheDecider | abrotman, yeah, I went in there... thanks... |
| 01:38.44 | abrotman | no problem |
| 01:38.48 | derek_ | TheDecider: if you find one, tell me |
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| 01:39.06 | TheDecider | a lot of times... you say something like "I need some help with k3b" and someone instantly snaps #k3b, and no one is there ;) |
| 01:39.25 | abrotman | no .. i'd say #debian-kde :) |
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| 01:44.32 | derek_ | can anyone find .deb installer file of bluez-libs ? |
| 01:44.39 | derek_ | I am only finding the sources |
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| 01:48.05 | Covener | derek_: libbluetooth2? |
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| 01:49.49 | derek_ | I found the file. It is : libbluetooth1_2.15-2_i386.deb |
| 01:50.04 | derek_ | Please can someone give it to me? |
| 01:50.23 | derek_ | Covener: libbluetooth2 ? that's even latest? |
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| 01:53.32 | woodgrain | abrotman, thanks for the help the other day. I have to say I'm the proud new master of a purring little debian testing. |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | woodgrain: woohoo |
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| 01:55.23 | derek_ | Covener: ? |
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| 01:58.03 | Covener | derek_: STFW |
| 01:58.13 | derek_ | ? |
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| 02:03.13 | Duelist | okay, how do I get my USB CD burner to be recognized as a CD burner and not just a "Generic CCS Disk" |
| 02:04.18 | Duelist | I can paste /proc/bus/usb/devices to #flood if someone wants to look |
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| 02:05.06 | abrotman | does cdrecord see it ? |
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| 02:05.24 | Duelist | abrotman: if you're referring to wodim, no it doesn't see it yet |
| 02:05.58 | Pedro420 | nvz: nandrew ? |
| 02:06.01 | abrotman | what does lsusb think itis ? |
| 02:07.05 | stoned | hi |
| 02:07.17 | simonrvn | !stfw |
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| 02:07.18 | dpkg | methinks stfw is Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM. <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>. |
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| 02:07.31 | Duelist | abrotman: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 03f0:0207 Hewlett-Packard CD-Writer Plus 8200e |
| 02:07.39 | abrotman | that's a plus .. i think |
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| 02:07.59 | Samus_Aran | how do you tell apt to reinstall an already-installed package ? (e.g. when one of its files got erased) |
| 02:08.00 | Duelist | so why does wodim not think it's a burner? |
| 02:08.03 | abrotman | and wodim thinks it's crap ? |
| 02:08.07 | abrotman | Samus_Aran: man apt-get |
| 02:08.11 | stoned | --reinstall |
| 02:08.14 | Duelist | abrotman: wodim thinks it's a "Generic CCS Disk" |
| 02:08.15 | abrotman | !tell Samus_Aran about confmiss |
| 02:08.19 | Duelist | whatever the quack that is! |
| 02:08.20 | Samus_Aran | abrotman: that isn't helpful |
| 02:08.22 | abrotman | wtf is a CCS disk |
| 02:08.23 | abrotman | ?? |
| 02:08.29 | abrotman | Samus_Aran: did you read it ? |
| 02:08.36 | liable | Samus_Aran: thats exactly what you need.. |
| 02:08.39 | Duelist | abrotman: Device seems to be: Generic CCS Disk. |
| 02:08.40 | Samus_Aran | stoned: thank you |
| 02:08.43 | Duelist | exact copy and paste. |
| 02:08.47 | Duelist | I have no idea why |
| 02:08.53 | abrotman | wait .. man apt-get isn't helpful because you're too lazy to read ? |
| 02:09.06 | abrotman | lazy people suck |
| 02:09.07 | Samus_Aran | abrotman, liable: if I had wanted to read an enormous man page to acquire one simple command, why would I be on IRC ? |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | lazy fucking tards suck even more |
| 02:09.23 | Duelist | Samus_Aran: you should have read your man pages *before* asking. |
| 02:09.25 | Samus_Aran | I've spent thousands of hours helping others with their problems |
| 02:09.35 | Duelist | unless you really are lost enough not to know which one to read. |
| 02:09.38 | Samus_Aran | Duelist: no, you should stop being elitist |
| 02:09.39 | liable | Samus_Aran: i was reffering to the confmiss factoid, and we are not here to read man pages for you. |
| 02:09.44 | abrotman | you should stop being lazy |
| 02:09.55 | Samus_Aran | stoned: thanks again |
| 02:09.59 | Samus_Aran | abrotman, liable: get a life |
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| 02:10.13 | stoned | you should still read the man page |
| 02:10.14 | liable | haha, lets see if --reinstall works... |
| 02:10.15 | stoned | doh |
| 02:10.26 | stoned | it wont |
| 02:10.31 | stoned | heh, he deleted a file |
| 02:10.33 | liable | no shit |
| 02:10.33 | abrotman | liable: let's bet he deleted a conf file :) |
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| 02:10.51 | Duelist | abrotman: so this one stumped you? |
| 02:10.55 | liable | abrotman: almost gaurenteed, you dont generally delete bins :) |
| 02:11.00 | liable | or libs or whatever |
| 02:11.03 | abrotman | liable: unless you're REALLY stupid :) |
| 02:11.07 | liable | heh |
| 02:11.09 | abrotman | Duelist: i don't know what CCS mean |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | s |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | !tell samus_aran about grounding |
| 02:11.53 | talexb | Hey dudes, |
| 02:11.56 | abrotman | Duelist: what does cdrecord -scanbus say ? |
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| 02:12.14 | ribasushi | greetings |
| 02:12.43 | ribasushi | is it possible in some way to export a package list from a system and transfer it to another one essentially mirroring its apt state? |
| 02:12.43 | talexb | A big shout out to #debian tonight -- I've been trying to get netInst CD to work but had problems with my CD drive. Tongiht swapped in another CD driev and Deb is happily downloading and installing a huge pile of stuff. |
| 02:13.00 | abrotman | !tell ribasushi about debian clone |
| 02:13.33 | ribasushi | abrotman: excellent |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | it is! |
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| 02:13.52 | floppyears | hi |
| 02:14.04 | floppyears | I'm having trouble getting my usb pen drive to work in debian |
| 02:14.10 | floppyears | can somebody point me in the right direction ? |
| 02:14.19 | abrotman | !tell floppyears about usb storage |
| 02:14.24 | abrotman | !tell floppyears about vfatrw |
| 02:14.27 | talexb | floppyears, do you have a recent enough kernel? |
| 02:14.36 | abrotman | a 2.4 is recent enough :) |
| 02:14.37 | derek_ | what is the difference between i386 and alpha? |
| 02:14.51 | talexb | I know my USB key didn't work with 2.4.x, but as soonas I got 2.6.3 it automounted fine. |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | derek_: you'd know if you had an alpha |
| 02:14.52 | simonrvn | a lot |
| 02:14.59 | derek_ | !usb storage |
| 02:15.00 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 02:15.23 | reilithion | derek_: The same as the difference between your program working, and segfaulting. |
| 02:15.24 | talexb | Under Mandrake, my USB devices show up as /mnt/removable |
| 02:15.24 | simonrvn | derek_: /msg the bot next time, please. thank you |
| 02:15.26 | derek_ | floppyears: what trouble? plug it in and it gives some messages on the console. |
| 02:15.34 | floppyears | talexb: 2.6.15 |
| 02:15.43 | derek_ | simonrvn: i did it for floppyears |
| 02:15.43 | floppyears | derek_: nothing happens |
| 02:15.49 | stony | anyone want free webhosting? msg me |
| 02:15.57 | floppyears | thanks derek_ |
| 02:15.57 | talexb | floppyears, OK, so does it get automounted or not? What do the log files say? |
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| 02:16.03 | abrotman | liable: he just messaged me |
| 02:16.05 | floppyears | no automounting :( |
| 02:16.12 | floppyears | where is the sd_mod module located ? |
| 02:16.13 | liable | abrotman: abuse? |
| 02:16.16 | talexb | Is there anything in the log file at all? |
| 02:16.19 | abrotman | liable: samus |
| 02:16.33 | derek_ | floppyears: type dmesg |
| 02:16.36 | liable | abrotman: ya, but abusing or crawling back for help? |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | liable: being a dick |
| 02:16.51 | stoned | abrotman, surprised? |
| 02:16.52 | simonrvn | derek_: oh, ok |
| 02:16.54 | liable | abrotman: not surprising really :) |
| 02:16.59 | stoned | haha |
| 02:17.03 | stoned | me and liable on the same page |
| 02:17.11 | Duelist | abrotman: where were we? |
| 02:17.14 | abrotman | liable: not at all |
| 02:17.23 | abrotman | Duelist: you were about to buy me a beer |
| 02:17.30 | WifiBrain | hey |
| 02:17.49 | Duelist | abrotman: I have beer but no cash. the best I could do would be to express mail you one from Houston, TX, USA :-) |
| 02:17.58 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:17.59 | simonrvn | derek_: it's ok now, but if you're here when it's busy, use the tell format (!tell foo about bar) as it cuts down on channel traffic. cool? |
| 02:18.01 | sprink | Does anyone here use enscript in sarge? |
| 02:18.11 | Duelist | abrotman: wodim only returns an entry for the internal CD-ROM. |
| 02:18.23 | Duelist | and I know for a fact this CD-RW worked on a prior GNU/Linux system |
| 02:18.25 | abrotman | that's no good |
| 02:18.36 | Duelist | I think it was an older Debian as well as an older deadrat (Red Hat) |
| 02:18.39 | derek_ | simonrvn: alright |
| 02:18.47 | sprink | Just curious if Language Sensitive Highlighting is part of the deb package or it's a 3rd party add-on |
| 02:19.00 | abrotman | for vim ? |
| 02:19.14 | sprink | for GNU Enscript |
| 02:19.19 | abrotman | Duelist: i know others here have gotten them to work |
| 02:19.53 | Duelist | abrotman: is hald/udev a possible source of conflict? |
| 02:20.02 | abrotman | Duelist: on etch/sid ? |
| 02:20.08 | Duelist | abrotman: affirmative |
| 02:20.12 | abrotman | udev hates life .. |
| 02:20.34 | floppyears | ok, so the dmesg does seem to say some stuff about my pen drive |
| 02:20.36 | abrotman | i doubt it's a conflict ... |
| 02:20.56 | abrotman | i only have a USB HDD though |
| 02:21.11 | floppyears | what's a good place to pastebin my dmesg output ? |
| 02:21.17 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:21.17 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:21.26 | derek_ | floppyears: #flood |
| 02:21.38 | abrotman | Duelist: you do need some number of scsi modules to use it |
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| 02:21.41 | floppyears | derek_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3974. |
| 02:21.54 | abrotman | !usb cdburner |
| 02:21.54 | dpkg | usb cdburner is probably enable these kernel drivers: ATA/IDE/MFM/RLL support, SCSI emulation support, SCSI support, SCSI disk support, SCSI CD-ROM support, SCSI generic support, Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device, Support USB, Preliminary USB device filesystem, UHCI Alternative driver (if an x86 machine, usually), USB Mass Storage support |
| 02:21.58 | [Thom] | How do I grant write access to a mounted drive to a specific user? |
| 02:22.12 | abrotman | use the uid part of mount .. man mount |
| 02:22.39 | floppyears | could somebody please take a look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/3974 |
| 02:22.50 | floppyears | and help me figure out why my usb pen drive won't mount :( |
| 02:22.50 | [Thom] | abrotman: No, the user can READ the directory, he just can't write to it. |
| 02:22.54 | abrotman | i bet that factoid is old |
| 02:23.02 | abrotman | [Thom]: check the perms on the mountpoint |
| 02:23.04 | Ash-Fox | !sources |
| 02:23.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 02:23.22 | [Thom] | abrotman: How? |
| 02:23.41 | abrotman | ls -ld |
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| 02:24.00 | helo | i can't find where the "Display" type is defined in Xlib... anyone have a suggestion of where to look? |
| 02:24.25 | Duelist | pretty sure I have all those modules installed |
| 02:24.30 | ribasushi | erm abrotman get-selections outputs only 'install' lines - does this mean that when I set-selections all the other packages will be left in the state they are in? |
| 02:24.34 | Duelist | this is the kernel that came with Debian, not a custom job |
| 02:24.35 | abrotman | you have them all installed .. but are they all loaded ? |
| 02:24.38 | jmd | helo, You mean in the xlib source ?? |
| 02:24.40 | derek_ | floppyears: usb-storage: -- transfer complete <--- what is this transfer of? |
| 02:24.40 | ribasushi | I need to uninstall the rest |
| 02:24.41 | abrotman | ribasushi: eh ? |
| 02:25.02 | [Thom] | abrotman: root root |
| 02:25.08 | abrotman | ribasushi: it gets a list of installed packages roughly .. you can use that list on another box |
| 02:25.13 | floppyears | derek_: maybe it's my usb printer |
| 02:25.16 | abrotman | [Thom]: no .. the rwx part |
| 02:25.32 | derek_ | floppyears: actually I'm also trying to access my usb drive at the moment. And it isn't mounting for me either |
| 02:25.34 | abrotman | ribasushi: yes .. fi you want other items uninstalled .. you'd have to do that |
| 02:25.35 | [Thom] | drwxr-xr-x |
| 02:25.38 | Duelist | skquinn@afterburner:~$ usbmodules --device /proc/bus/usb/001/003 \n usb-storage |
| 02:25.38 | derek_ | floppyears: ok |
| 02:25.47 | Duelist | if that's any help |
| 02:25.50 | [Thom] | abrotman: drwxr-xr-x |
| 02:25.51 | ribasushi | abrotman: so there is no fully automated way to do a clone then? |
| 02:26.00 | floppyears | how can I tell if I have sd_mod compiled or as a module ? |
| 02:26.06 | floppyears | and if not where is it to enable it ? |
| 02:26.07 | abrotman | [Thom]: chmod a+rwx on that mount directory |
| 02:26.11 | liable | floppyears: grep your config |
| 02:26.22 | abrotman | floppyears: most likely a module unless you've done it yourself |
| 02:26.54 | Duelist | is the 2.6 kernel this busted with regard to USB? |
| 02:26.55 | floppyears | modprobe sd_mod gives me: FATAL: Module sd_mod not found. |
| 02:27.36 | woodgrain | nickometer floppyears |
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| 02:28.02 | abrotman | floppyears: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 02:28.09 | floppyears | abrotman: yes |
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| 02:28.28 | abrotman | floppyears: then it might not be there .. |
| 02:28.36 | woodgrain | !nickometer floppyears |
| 02:28.39 | dpkg | 'floppyears' is 0.000% lame, woodgrain |
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| 02:28.54 | floppyears | where can I enable that module ? |
| 02:28.58 | Duelist | !nickometer Duelist |
| 02:28.58 | dpkg | 'Duelist' is 0.000% lame, duelist |
| 02:28.59 | abrotman | in your kernel config |
| 02:29.01 | Duelist | :-) |
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| 02:29.22 | floppyears | yes, but there are a lot of options in that menu :( |
| 02:29.28 | abrotman | yeah |
| 02:29.33 | abrotman | other option . use a debian kernel |
| 02:29.34 | Malawar | is there any way to force nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces on a dhcp interface? |
| 02:29.57 | abrotman | kind of .. in your dhcp-client.conf file i believe |
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| 02:30.11 | holond | hi |
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| 02:31.12 | Malawar | ah, i got it |
| 02:31.23 | simonrvn | hmm, 82 billion $ owed to SN ... |
| 02:31.34 | [Thom] | abrotman: That didn't quite work. I've mapped a drive to this box via samba if that helps. |
| 02:31.38 | floppyears | is there anybody who can tell me where to enable sd_mod module ? |
| 02:31.45 | [Thom] | I've tried to reconnect.. |
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| 02:31.48 | holond | got this but can it be ignored? W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: |
| 02:31.55 | abrotman | [Thom]: huh ? |
| 02:32.04 | abrotman | Holborn: /msg dpkg apt-key |
| 02:32.10 | ribasushi | abrotman: it is --get-selections '*' that does the trick |
| 02:32.17 | abrotman | okeedokee! |
| 02:32.26 | abrotman | floppyears: #kernel |
| 02:32.41 | reilithion | !nickometer b0xy|MacPro |
| 02:32.43 | dpkg | 'b0xy|MacPro' is 98.330% lame, reilithion |
| 02:32.44 | jmd | Anyone here tried smf-grey from sourceforge ? |
| 02:32.53 | stoned | !nickometer stoned |
| 02:32.55 | derek_ | I mounted my USB drive |
| 02:32.55 | dpkg | 'stoned' is 0.000% lame, stoned |
| 02:32.56 | [Thom] | abrotman: I have all of my music on a debian server under an account called 'thom' I can browse to that computer from windows and play the music that's on that account, but I can't write to the account at all. |
| 02:32.59 | stoned | wow |
| 02:33.06 | b0xy|MacPro | I think we've already been over this |
| 02:33.16 | derek_ | floppyears: do this: fdisk -l /dev/sd[a-d] |
| 02:33.23 | abrotman | [Thom]: that might be a samba settings |
| 02:33.28 | reilithion | b0xy|MacPro: I haven't. What was the conclusion? |
| 02:33.44 | [Thom] | abrotman: Any ideas? |
| 02:33.46 | abrotman | [Thom]: yeah .. fix samba :) |
| 02:33.46 | squisher | I have a sata hdd (sata_nv), but it seems like I'm running w/o dma. And hdparm doesn't show anything about dma and can't even change the i/o settings... |
| 02:34.03 | reilithion | hehe |
| 02:34.07 | ribasushi | !nickometer ribasushi |
| 02:34.09 | dpkg | 'ribasushi' is 0.000% lame, ribasushi |
| 02:34.14 | floppyears | derek_: nothing shows up, I think it's because I don't have the sd_mod enabled :( |
| 02:34.18 | ribasushi | :( |
| 02:34.22 | [Thom] | abrotman: okay. I didn't install samba It must be stock on sarge |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:34.24 | ribasushi | I am a complete 0 |
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| 02:34.35 | derek_ | floppyears: :( |
| 02:34.41 | abrotman | [Thom]: it's not stock .. but the generic config is probably read only |
| 02:34.44 | holond | abrotman: i get nothing out of '/msg dpkg apt-key'. |
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| 02:35.27 | ribasushi | !nickometer BritneySpears16 |
| 02:35.29 | dpkg | 'BritneySpears16' is 24.000% lame, ribasushi |
| 02:35.30 | abrotman | !apt-key |
| 02:35.36 | simonrvn | i don't get off from it either |
| 02:35.37 | abrotman | Holborn: what is the key it's loking for ? |
| 02:35.38 | reilithion | !nickometer Bry2k200 |
| 02:35.39 | dpkg | 'Bry2k200' is 52.000% lame, reilithion |
| 02:35.44 | simonrvn | reilithion: stop |
| 02:35.46 | abrotman | stop with the damn bot |
| 02:35.54 | liable | come on, enough with the nickometer shit |
| 02:36.11 | liable | heh, i lose |
| 02:36.27 | stoned | asdf |
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| 02:36.33 | floppyears | ok, so I was able to enable sd_mod as a module in my configuration |
| 02:36.41 | holond | abrotman: my nick is holond. it is looking for NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907. |
| 02:36.47 | floppyears | can I just compile this new module and load it or do I have to compile the whole kernel and reboot ? |
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| 02:36.52 | derek_ | floppyears: configuration of what? |
| 02:37.01 | floppyears | derek_: kernel configuration |
| 02:37.03 | simonrvn | kernel config ... |
| 02:37.12 | holond | !apt-key |
| 02:37.16 | derek_ | k |
| 02:37.26 | [Thom] | abrotman: that worked, it was a samba thing |
| 02:37.28 | [Thom] | abrotman: Thanks |
| 02:37.29 | floppyears | SinnerG: where you saying that to me ? |
| 02:37.35 | abrotman | [Thom]: enjoy |
| 02:37.39 | floppyears | sorry I mean simonrvn where you saying that to me ? |
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| 02:37.42 | abrotman | holond: what is the key it's missing |
| 02:37.43 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:37.50 | SinnerG | say what? :P |
| 02:37.55 | simonrvn | floppyears: if it's the same kernel version, and the same compiler, you can just do that one module |
| 02:38.01 | floppyears | SinnerG: sorry, I typed the wrong nick :( |
| 02:38.05 | SinnerG | ah k :) |
| 02:38.08 | abrotman | holond: http://debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 02:38.12 | simonrvn | floppyears: no, that is though ^^ ;) |
| 02:38.32 | holond | abrotman: the whole msg is: W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 02:38.47 | simonrvn | so import that key to apt-key |
| 02:38.55 | liable | holond: see the home page of that site... |
| 02:39.07 | floppyears | simonrvn: how can I figure out where that module is just to compile it by itself ? |
| 02:39.08 | abrotman | holond: http://debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 02:39.42 | abrotman | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 02:39.42 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 02:41.22 | simonrvn | floppyears: eh? so you can run make on it? can't do that cleanly anymore. it'll "know" what to do anyway |
| 02:41.33 | floppyears | oh, ok |
| 02:41.34 | simonrvn | floppyears: just run make in the top-level dir |
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| 02:42.48 | simonrvn | FYI, that's why your system time should be correct on a machine you're compiling stuff, because make relies on the timestamps being accurate |
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| 02:43.09 | reilithion | simonrvn: which is why I don't use make |
| 02:43.23 | floppyears | so should I do make or make modules ? |
| 02:43.31 | simonrvn | it's not a big deal to have accurate time... |
| 02:43.41 | simonrvn | up to you |
| 02:44.01 | zinx | all kinds of things depend on having accurate time |
| 02:44.11 | simonrvn | yes, e.g., kerberos |
| 02:44.22 | reilithion | Not a big deal to have accurate time. But a big deal if your files have inaccurate timestamps for any reason. |
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| 02:44.48 | simonrvn | former renders the latter moot |
| 02:45.33 | stoned | oh man |
| 02:45.34 | simonrvn | you're not my type =) |
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| 02:45.40 | stoned | cut that shit out |
| 02:45.45 | simonrvn | hehehehe |
| 02:45.53 | reilithion | There should be a /my |
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| 02:46.06 | simonrvn | so alias it |
| 02:46.12 | squisher | reilithion: yeah, I know... I was missing that right now |
| 02:46.23 | stoned | irc sucks |
| 02:46.28 | stoned | computers suck |
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| 02:46.35 | squisher | stoned: everything sucks... |
| 02:46.39 | zinx | stoned: hypocrite |
| 02:46.40 | stoned | no |
| 02:46.45 | stoned | weed does not |
| 02:46.49 | stoned | you suck IT |
| 02:46.52 | reilithion | of course |
| 02:46.53 | stoned | hahahaha im a tool |
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| 02:46.58 | squisher | stoned: haha, yeah, you are right |
| 02:47.07 | holond | abrotman: simonrvn: follow the faq commands, and successfully installed mplayer. thks. |
| 02:47.08 | stoned | katatafish |
| 02:47.14 | abrotman | holond: enjo |
| 02:47.15 | abrotman | holond: enjoy |
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| 02:47.25 | daeos | alrighty |
| 02:47.25 | stoned | mplayer is tha shizbam |
| 02:47.38 | daeos | im back in freenode |
| 02:47.44 | stoned | wb |
| 02:47.46 | abrotman | daeos: try #svn |
| 02:47.51 | daeos | abrotman: ok |
| 02:48.00 | squisher | does anyone know why hdparm might just not show anything about dma settings? |
| 02:48.09 | holond | stoned: what does that mean? |
| 02:48.13 | abrotman | the drive doesn't support dma ? |
| 02:48.27 | stoned | !wb |
| 02:48.27 | dpkg | thanks, stoned. It's good to be back. |
| 02:48.30 | nokrev | * :D |
| 02:48.39 | stoned | wb - welcome back |
| 02:48.45 | stoned | or woman booty |
| 02:48.47 | abrotman | he meant shizbam i think |
| 02:48.51 | stoned | i dunno, might wanna confirm it |
| 02:49.06 | nokrev | I think disabling acpi might screw up Samba in the install for some reason. |
| 02:49.08 | squisher | abrotman: it's a sata drive... I'm sure it supports DMA :-) |
| 02:49.14 | nokrev | (in Etch) |
| 02:49.23 | stoned | yeh I got a drive too |
| 02:49.27 | Ash-Fox | When I try to install 'xserver-xorg', I get the following, I think it's due to using back-ports perhaps? What should I do to solve this issue? xserver-xorg: Depends: xserver-common (>= 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6~bpo.4) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 is to be installed |
| 02:49.35 | stoned | its got 1.21 jigawats |
| 02:49.44 | stoned | and a flux capacitor to boot |
| 02:50.03 | stoned | I literally told a customer at work that |
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| 02:50.24 | stoned | I was like, yeah, thats a huge storage drive, its got 1.21 gigawatts of memory space |
| 02:50.29 | stoned | they believed it |
| 02:50.37 | reilithion | lol |
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| 02:51.10 | stoned | same old woman asked me how the processor works, or what it is, and why should she go with core 2 duo instead of dual core |
| 02:51.22 | stoned | I said cuz the new processor has a flux capacitor, makes it tiwce as fast |
| 02:51.42 | stoned | my manager played that call break during break, we all laughed |
| 02:51.49 | stoned | back* |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | see .. and that's why dell is evil |
| 02:52.57 | squisher | haha, poor old woman ;-) |
| 02:52.58 | stoned | sshhh. |
| 02:53.24 | stoned | she wanted to buy her grandson a pc |
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| 02:53.25 | stoned | video game machine |
| 02:53.32 | stoned | I got her hooked up with 4gb of ram |
| 02:53.33 | stoned | 667mhz |
| 02:53.42 | abrotman | nothing like milking an old lady out of her retirement .. good job |
| 02:53.44 | squisher | 667mhz??? |
| 02:53.54 | stoned | ram's clock speed |
| 02:53.54 | Duelist | that's plenty of power |
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| 02:53.56 | abrotman | RAM |
| 02:54.00 | simonrvn | plenty fast with enough ram |
| 02:54.10 | squisher | Oh - duh... :) |
| 02:54.36 | squisher | but you were still lying - the flux capacitor would have been much more powerful ;-{) |
| 02:54.40 | stoned | I got her a quad display system, dual 1gb sli config |
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| 02:54.46 | stoned | fucking sweet machine |
| 02:54.53 | daeos_ | damn ssh froze |
| 02:54.53 | stoned | 11+grand |
| 02:55.03 | squisher | damn, that's crazy... and she really went for it? |
| 02:55.16 | simonrvn | holy.... |
| 02:55.24 | stoned | I don't work consumer |
| 02:55.33 | simonrvn | that's more than we earn in a year ... |
| 02:55.35 | stoned | or small business, I manage corporate accounts |
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| 02:55.44 | stoned | this lady owns an insurance company |
| 02:55.48 | nokrev | when you're stoned? |
| 02:56.01 | stoned | she was calling in to order 50 desktops, and 100 notebooks for outside sales employees |
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| 02:56.16 | stoned | I asked her if there was anything else, nice lady though, bought that machine for her grandson |
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| 02:56.49 | nokrev | I'm having a bunch of trouble getting Xserver to work… |
| 02:56.59 | stoned | nokrev, what trouble |
| 02:57.10 | squisher | what a spoiled grandson... hope he deserved it! |
| 02:57.21 | nokrev | as in, no devices detected, and no screens found. |
| 02:57.32 | nokrev | I'm using nVidia, and I expect that is the problem… |
| 02:57.55 | nokrev | couldn't compile the nVidia drivers from nVidia, so I'm gonna try this: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 02:57.56 | daeos | from console, how whould i change XF86' |
| 02:58.04 | stoned | !nvidia |
| 02:58.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 02:58.05 | daeos | s display config, such as screen size |
| 02:58.21 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 02:58.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 02:58.43 | stoned | !abrotman |
| 02:58.44 | dpkg | i guess abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 02:58.51 | abrotman | yeah |
| 02:58.54 | abrotman | night |
| 02:58.56 | daeos | looks like that one is still there |
| 02:59.00 | stoned | later |
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| 03:00.01 | squisher | hmm, so sata always has dma enabled... then why do I get a lot of I/O waiting when I do a little i/o intensive task? |
| 03:00.11 | Ash-Fox | Could someone help me with a depedency problem? When I try to install 'xserver-xorg', I get the following, I think it's due to using back-ports --> xserver-xorg: Depends: xserver-common (>= 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6~bpo.4) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 is to be installed |
| 03:00.49 | liable | stupid fglrx.. |
| 03:01.01 | squisher | liable: buy nvidia for linux ;-) |
| 03:01.35 | stoned | overactive substance makes reality insane... |
| 03:02.06 | reilithion | or just makes reality impossible to interpret |
| 03:02.12 | holond | stoned: you are a disgrace. instead of using your knowledge to help, you used it to cheat a kind old lady who wanted to buy something for her grandson. and those managers of yours are just as bad, if not worse. |
| 03:02.23 | daeos | im trying to reconfigure my screen size via vnc, but i get this error : The X Server does not support the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available |
| 03:02.32 | daeos | what would i have to do otherwise to change the size? |
| 03:02.36 | squisher | holond: did you miss stoned's more detailed explanation? |
| 03:02.42 | stoned | holond, I've known this lady for a long time |
| 03:02.42 | nokrev | "Meanwhile, try getting the packages from sid." |
| 03:02.45 | holond | is this the type of people who come here? |
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| 03:02.52 | nokrev | what does that mean? http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-free |
| 03:02.54 | holond | squisher: i read thro it. |
| 03:02.56 | squisher | daeos: just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:03.05 | stoned | holond, she is one of my regular customers and she deals with no one else but me, shes made that clear to my managers as well |
| 03:03.06 | daeos | squisher: i don't use xorg |
| 03:03.14 | stoned | it was just something funny I told her, I didn't cheat her out of anything |
| 03:03.17 | daeos | squisher: i use xfree86 |
| 03:03.22 | squisher | holond: so then she must've at least somewhat known what she was doing... |
| 03:03.26 | stoned | she spends 50k a year on IT in her company |
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| 03:03.33 | squisher | daeos: ok, then /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 03:03.47 | stoned | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:03.55 | stoned | ^^ |
| 03:03.56 | squisher | ups, thanks stoned |
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| 03:04.28 | holond | stoned, squisher, you two are a bunch of arseholes. |
| 03:04.36 | holond | byeee. |
| 03:04.41 | stoned | holond, it takes one to know one |
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| 03:05.34 | daeos | squisher; stoned; thanks |
| 03:05.42 | stoned | sure |
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| 03:06.34 | squisher | holond: you just don't get it... |
| 03:07.00 | reilithion | squisher: zie's gone |
| 03:07.18 | squisher | reilithion: oh yeah - had missed it |
| 03:07.24 | xjkx | lpq says there is no jobs, but my printer keeps printing "Fats loves Madelyn root@... mount" and so on, had to remove the paper* what else can I Do, lprm isnt deleting coz there are no jobs |
| 03:08.01 | squisher | xjkx: it's in the printer's memory already. Turn it off & on, or press a button to delete job if it has one |
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| 03:11.02 | xjkx | kk thanks |
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| 03:14.38 | liable | why the hell is xorg enabling aiglx when its not in the conf? doesnt appear in the changelog either.. |
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| 03:15.40 | Ash-Fox | Weee dependency hell. I just foobared my system |
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| 03:20.39 | vick | is there any microsoft office .doc convertor ? |
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| 03:20.39 | Coweater | convert to what? |
| 03:20.39 | iamtheobject | Whats a good program for debian x server that displays fan speed and temps? |
| 03:20.43 | vick | I want to view a .doc file, but openoffice is way too big |
| 03:20.58 | nokrev | vick: abiword? |
| 03:20.59 | vick | Coweater, To anything else, .pdf, .text, .html, etc.. |
| 03:21.05 | Coweater | vick: abiword, wv |
| 03:21.18 | vick | thanks |
| 03:21.21 | adsfasdf | iamtheobject: gkrellm |
| 03:21.36 | Coweater | also catdoc |
| 03:23.27 | iamtheobject | installin gkrellm now |
| 03:23.38 | iamtheobject | catdog in a few |
| 03:23.40 | iamtheobject | Thanks |
| 03:23.41 | iamtheobject | :-) |
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| 03:23.55 | Coweater | catdoc isn't for you |
| 03:25.06 | iamtheobject | oh, I have seen a program like gkrellm before |
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| 03:25.12 | iamtheobject | Oh okay thanks Coweater |
| 03:25.29 | iamtheobject | and thanks adsfasdf |
| 03:26.47 | g3brown | Isn't there a shell app to list network protocols, where you put little x's beside what you want to use (i.e. AppleTalk)? |
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| 03:27.56 | liable | good Xgl back, mesa must have screwed my gl links or summin |
| 03:28.25 | liable | xorg rewriting my conf is a pita too. |
| 03:28.47 | liable | could at least ask |
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| 03:36.39 | Makenai | Is there a debian command to set an x window manager? |
| 03:37.10 | karsten | Makenai: update-alternatives, ~/.xsession, select from your X display manager at login, startx. |
| 03:37.21 | karsten | Makenai: Sorta depends what you want to do. |
| 03:37.58 | Makenai | karsten: Cool, thanks. I'll check out update-alternatives, I think that's what I was looking for |
| 03:38.05 | karsten | Makenai: OK. |
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| 03:44.13 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 03:44.14 | dpkg | <yazid> "dumb client with the fewest moving parts" .. a phrase dangerous when overheard by strangers out of the IT office ;) |
| 03:45.00 | reilithion | clever |
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| 03:46.53 | Makenai | What does the + sign mean in update-alternatives? |
| 03:47.18 | stephans_ | what is the oposite of insmod? |
| 03:47.34 | karsten | stephans_: rmmod |
| 03:47.35 | Makenai | stephans_: rmmod |
| 03:47.46 | stephans_ | thankyou! |
| 03:47.59 | karsten | stephans_: Which 'man insmod' suggests as "SEE ALSO" |
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| 03:48.37 | stephans_ | karsten Tack! |
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| 03:50.02 | stephans_ | OK - if a module is in use --- how do i findo out what proc is using it? |
| 03:51.12 | stephans_ | I got: FATAL: Module ide_cd is in use. |
| 03:51.51 | stephans_ | something is filling my logs with failed attempts to access the cd |
| 03:52.56 | stephans_ | I am in the US and the server is in kamchatka... |
| 03:53.25 | stephans_ | so no go to the box and see.. |
| 03:53.41 | zinx | is it mounted? |
| 03:53.55 | stephans_ | nope |
| 03:54.01 | zinx | you checked? |
| 03:54.03 | stephans_ | it is not mounted |
| 03:54.55 | zinx | start killing stuff off that might access the CD :/ |
| 03:55.15 | zinx | look for stuff in the 'D' state first |
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| 03:55.37 | stephans_ | ok |
| 03:55.51 | NaufraGo | how do I change the k3b theme? |
| 03:56.18 | NaufraGo | I don't know here I have to put the theme's folder |
| 03:56.25 | NaufraGo | where. |
| 03:58.00 | NaufraGo | is there anybody available fo help? |
| 03:59.18 | liable | NaufraGo: prolly in the ~/.k3b dir |
| 03:59.28 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to copy a cell from an oocalc spreadsheet into an oowriter document's paragraph? If so, how does one format the copied cell so it blends in with the rest of the paragraph? |
| 04:00.34 | NaufraGo | that directory doesn't exist |
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| 04:03.55 | NaufraGo | liable, do you see? |
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| 04:05.21 | stephans_ | OK!! no wonder it took me a while to find it! |
| 04:05.33 | stephans_ | it was a Virtual Machine |
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| 04:05.52 | stephans_ | The OS inside the VM was trying to access the CD |
| 04:06.05 | stephans_ | hmmm |
| 04:07.11 | liable | NaufraGo: i dont have k3b, so i dont know really. surely theres some guide out there about it. |
| 04:08.30 | liable | hrm, this install script is wacky, it cant find a file that in the dir. |
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| 04:08.41 | liable | and i cant see whats wrong with it |
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| 04:13.13 | liable | wtf, now it installed.. |
| 04:13.20 | liable | crazy goings on |
| 04:13.36 | karsten | kingsley: copy as text? |
| 04:13.43 | eegore | is anyone here familiar with alsa? |
| 04:13.58 | karsten | !tell eegore about polls |
| 04:14.05 | karsten | eegore: Just ask your question |
| 04:14.27 | eegore | I am having a problem where only one app can access the sound device at once |
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| 04:15.48 | eegore | I took out the sound blaster live and went with the onboard sound device |
| 04:16.16 | eegore | do I need to reconfigure alsa? |
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| 04:18.13 | eegore | dpkg; alsa config |
| 04:18.14 | stephans_ | OK - I have another stupid question... how do I tell a host to pass the hostname to the dhcp server... so it can register with DDNS? |
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| 04:18.26 | stephans_ | Debian host that is |
| 04:18.33 | Twin_ | What are the most obvious stuff you do to secure the box before letting another user (shell, ssh connected) on? |
| 04:18.42 | eegore | dpkg: alsa config |
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| 04:22.07 | NaufraGo | does anybody know how can I change the k3b theme? |
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| 04:26.31 | mutante | i wanted to upgrade PHP4 to PHP5, got php5 ,php5-common, php5-cli, php5-mysql via apt-get, but in /etc/apache2/mods-available there is still only php4 and php --version on the shell also still reports 4, shouldnt there show something up in "available" by itself, that i just have to add manually to "mods-enabled"? |
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| 04:30.58 | ru | im trying to install synaptic |
| 04:31.05 | ru | sudo apt-get install synaptic |
| 04:31.12 | ru | returns a failire: |
| 04:31.17 | ru | synaptic: Depends: libvte4 (>= 1:0.12.1) |
| 04:32.21 | mutante | ah,ok, nevermind, forgot libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 04:32.57 | ru | how do i forcefully install the version that it needs? |
| 04:32.59 | mutante | ru: then install libvte4 ,too? |
| 04:33.08 | mutante | its also a package name |
| 04:33.21 | ru | i tried that |
| 04:33.23 | ru | it returns: |
| 04:33.55 | ru | libvte4: Depends: libvte-common (= 1:0.12.2-0) but 1:0.13.5-0 is to be installed |
| 04:34.06 | ru | i need to specify which version i want to install... |
| 04:34.11 | mutante | hmm, did you mix versions in apt sources.list? |
| 04:34.32 | ru | i may have yeah im not sure |
| 04:34.51 | mutante | edit the sources, decide for one version, apt-get update, start again |
| 04:34.57 | floppyears | thanks for the help guys I got the usb thing working :) |
| 04:35.06 | ru | but that might not help me at this point will it? |
| 04:35.06 | floppyears | I just had to compile sd_mod :) |
| 04:35.19 | ru | Surely i have to force a specific version to fix it? |
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| 04:37.31 | mutante | ru: maybe dist-upgrade helps ? shrug |
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| 04:37.58 | mutante | ru: the problem arises from mixing debian versions i think you want to get that clean in the first place |
| 04:38.10 | ru | cant u just specify whic version u want to install using apt-get? |
| 04:38.14 | nokrev | Syanptic tells me that tons of packages (including gnome, gdm, kde, and many more) much be removed before I can install nvidia-glx. :/ |
| 04:38.25 | ru | i have done it before using synaptic so it is theoretically possible, i know that much |
| 04:38.34 | mutante | ru: there is some --force-yes but it is really not recommended |
| 04:38.50 | mutante | ru: you could use dpkg "manually" |
| 04:38.53 | ru | yeah ill get it clean as soon as i have this piggery fixed up |
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| 04:39.55 | dan2 | what's the easiest way to run through a mailbox and remove all the spam? |
| 04:40.25 | psychonate | Hey, this aqualung music app is fairly decent |
| 04:40.40 | mutante | using spamassasin ? |
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| 04:41.33 | octan | whats the deamon rpc.nfsdd do? |
| 04:41.58 | octan | or whatever it is |
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| 04:42.28 | octan | is see its using more resurses than normal.. what is it for? |
| 04:43.10 | octan | im looking with top command |
| 04:43.46 | eegore | dpkg: alsaconf |
| 04:43.54 | octan | *rpc.nfsd |
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| 04:44.20 | mutante | octan: its for NSF , network file system |
| 04:44.54 | mutante | nfsd service;checks the presence of a RPC service. |
| 04:45.30 | octan | im not transfwering witj nfs now.. why do i hear the server make alot of noice ++ that rpc.nfsd is running |
| 04:45.47 | octan | alright |
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| 04:46.17 | octan | wahts the rpc service ? |
| 04:46.33 | mutante | its the user-level part of NSF ,starts the kernel-threads for nfsd.o module |
| 04:47.17 | octan | i don t worry about it right ? |
| 04:47.22 | mutante | Remote Procedure Call |
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| 04:47.32 | mutante | is a set of function calls used by a client program to call functions in a remote server program |
| 04:47.33 | octan | oh i got hacked |
| 04:47.47 | mutante | a client is checking out your NSF shares |
| 04:47.50 | octan | damn |
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| 04:48.03 | octan | so i have been hacked |
| 04:48.13 | mutante | depends what you call hacked |
| 04:48.16 | octan | erm.. cracxked |
| 04:48.22 | mutante | maybe you are just offering files and someone uses them |
| 04:48.36 | mutante | and you werent aware everybody could use them |
| 04:48.40 | octan | no,,, notthing on my lan is using nfs now |
| 04:48.51 | octan | i checked |
| 04:49.22 | mutante | well, if you dont use it, stop the daemon |
| 04:49.43 | octan | it stoped making nocie now |
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| 04:50.06 | octan | and the deamon is no longeer running |
| 04:50.17 | octan | i didnt do any thing |
| 04:50.36 | octan | ......maybe a crond job? |
| 04:50.36 | mutante | eh, your daemons start and stop by themselves, then maybe you DID get hacked :p |
| 04:51.00 | host` | question, someone suggested that I run 'module-assistant' to be able to use my wlan, in 'm-a select' I don't have an option for my chipset |
| 04:51.03 | octan | right that what im truing to tell |
| 04:51.41 | octan | hiw can i check? |
| 04:51.46 | octan | *how |
| 04:51.47 | host` | am I missing something? it is an rt2500 |
| 04:52.19 | octan | look at my logs and look for ssh | logins? |
| 04:52.45 | liable | host`: did you get the source package? |
| 04:53.04 | mutante | octan: looking at logs is always good |
| 04:53.13 | host` | for the rt2500? ahh.. no |
| 04:53.17 | mutante | octan: maybe you want to give "rkhunter" a try too |
| 04:53.29 | octan | whats that? |
| 04:53.33 | mutante | rootkit hunter |
| 04:53.38 | octan | nooo |
| 04:53.47 | octan | i dont install that |
| 04:53.57 | octan | thats visus for linux |
| 04:54.09 | liable | host`: install the source, then m-a a-i rt2500-source |
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| 04:54.36 | octan | i'' reinstall my server |
| 04:54.40 | mutante | octan: "hunter" |
| 04:55.08 | host` | liable, where and I find a debian installable source? I searched for rt2500 and it's not on any of the CDs |
| 04:55.21 | host` | nvm, let me try to answer that myself |
| 04:55.26 | liable | host`: what debian version are you running? |
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| 04:55.46 | host` | 3.1 |
| 04:55.55 | octan | mutante, what you mean,? like a anti root kit? |
| 04:55.57 | liable | hrm, dunno if its in sarge |
| 04:56.17 | liable | host`: its not in sarge :/ |
| 04:56.30 | host` | ecth? |
| 04:57.22 | liable | host`: thats ok though, you should be able to just get the deb and use that, it doesnt have any depends that sarge cant satisfy |
| 04:57.41 | mutante | octan: yes, like anti rootkit, its scanning to find them |
| 04:58.04 | liable | octan: exactly what makes you say you have been rooted? |
| 04:58.25 | mutante | octan: but it makes more sense if it has been installed BEFORE something happened, so that its able to compare to clean signatures |
| 04:58.53 | octan | liable, my server is running stange deamons in never told it to |
| 04:59.21 | liable | octan: rpc is installed by default, its run from inetd, remove it or edit the conf for inetd |
| 04:59.36 | liable | octan: what other strange daemons? |
| 04:59.49 | host` | let me try this |
| 04:59.51 | octan | litage, whay was it running? |
| 05:00.04 | octan | i didnt even use my s |
| 05:00.11 | octan | *nfs |
| 05:00.31 | host` | quick question, by default where does debian mount other partitions? |
| 05:00.35 | liable | just remove it, debian installs nfs, portmap and rpc in a base install.. |
| 05:00.47 | ahlfors | First sign you've been rooted might be an irc server running on your machine :) |
| 05:00.51 | liable | host`: what other partitions? |
| 05:00.55 | host` | it's an ntfs |
| 05:00.56 | octan | is it doeing some backup ? |
| 05:01.04 | keram | i just installed ion3 and xorg |
| 05:01.21 | keram | and when i run ion3 with the command: 'ion3' i get an error that says: |
| 05:01.28 | host` | it's my main partition |
| 05:01.32 | liable | host`: debian doesnt mount them by default, you need to add a line in fstab for it |
| 05:01.38 | host` | ahh |
| 05:01.47 | keram | ion3: No encoding given in LC_CTYPE. >> Could'nt connect to X display'' >> Refusing to start due to encountered errors. |
| 05:02.08 | host` | fun stuff... I think it's hd03... hmm |
| 05:02.13 | host` | I'll figure it out |
| 05:02.28 | liable | !tell host about vfatrw |
| 05:03.01 | host` | !vfatrw |
| 05:03.01 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 05:03.11 | liable | hrm, i thought that factoid used to mention ntfs.. |
| 05:03.29 | liable | host`: why did you do that? didnt dpkg /msg you? |
| 05:03.37 | host` | nope |
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| 05:05.25 | host` | would that be the same for NTFS? |
| 05:05.49 | host` | ahh, it's host`, not host |
| 05:06.26 | host` | alright, bbl |
| 05:06.29 | liable | pretty much, cept you s/vfat/ntfs/ |
| 05:06.53 | host` | hopefully I'll be chatting from linux though and then we can work on the xserver problem |
| 05:07.45 | keram | how do i figure out what host and port my xserver is running on |
| 05:07.46 | enouf | liable: you forgot the -> ` |
| 05:07.55 | keram | err |
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| 05:08.08 | keram | i mean how do i figure out the host:display.screen stuff |
| 05:08.20 | liable | enouf: for what? |
| 05:08.26 | enouf | host + tick ( ` ) |
| 05:08.43 | liable | oh, hrm, i was sure i nicktabbed it.. |
| 05:08.57 | enouf | liable: better irc client ? hehe |
| 05:09.17 | enouf | liable: I've actually done that a lot myself in the past |
| 05:09.26 | liable | enouf: i am extremely lazy, i very rarely type a nick |
| 05:09.50 | enouf | liable: me too -- heck I'l highlight and paste before typing it .:-p |
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| 05:12.48 | liable | sweet, JJJ is playing a really old live set of ACDC |
| 05:13.30 | liable | mplayer -playlist http://abc.net.au/streaming/triplej/triplej.m3u :) |
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| 05:17.06 | rob | liable: that rocks! |
| 05:17.55 | liable | rob: shit yeah. classic old acdc, bon scott rocked, they went downhill when he died as far as i am concerned |
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| 05:19.05 | rob | yeah, that happens when you lose your lead singer, the rest are more "replaceable" |
| 05:19.51 | rob | look at, chuckle, inxs |
| 05:20.16 | liable | at least he went out in the classic rock way.. choking on his own vomit in a pissed stupor :) |
| 05:20.33 | rob | hehe yep! |
| 05:23.03 | psychonate | liable, wasn't Back in Black post-Bon Scott? |
| 05:23.37 | psychonate | If so, is not Back in Black good--dare I say fan-fucking-tastic? |
| 05:23.44 | liable | psychonate: yes, it was a good song, admittedly, but the bon scott tracks on the whole were better imho |
| 05:24.18 | psychonate | I meant the album, but I catch your drift |
| 05:24.30 | rob | dam, looks like that isn't on pipe |
| 05:25.03 | karsten | psychonate: rob: #eebian-offtopic |
| 05:25.03 | psychonate | I'm actually in a semi-good mood for once because I built my first debian package, and the damn thing actually works |
| 05:25.06 | rob | I'd have to admit there were a few good tracks on Back in Black |
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| 05:25.11 | karsten | erm. #debian-offtopic |
| 05:25.14 | psychonate | rob, amen |
| 05:25.15 | enouf | psychonate: yes .. whole lotta rosie |
| 05:25.28 | enouf | oooops |
| 05:25.38 | rob | I was waiting for that call :) |
| 05:25.39 | liable | karsten: yeah, theres a shitload of debian questions that we are stopping being answered.. |
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| 05:26.55 | karsten | liable: Don't know if you were around for the little chat last night, but do try. |
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| 05:27.00 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 05:27.09 | karsten | tengulre: 'sup? |
| 05:27.18 | liable | karsten: with azeem? |
| 05:27.25 | Makenai | Can I use defoma to install arbitrary pcf fonts? |
| 05:27.31 | enouf | Kage`: the nvz homicide or murder definition discussion? |
| 05:27.32 | karsten | liable: Same. |
| 05:27.47 | enouf | whoops Kage` I meant karsten |
| 05:28.00 | karsten | enouf: ... and postscript, yes. |
| 05:28.07 | enouf | karsten: aye |
| 05:28.07 | liable | karsten: gimme the gist of last nights little chat, and who instigated it? i thought we came to a mutual agreement the other night? |
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| 05:28.45 | karsten | liable: Basically: try to keep #d resonably technical, move the drift to #d-ot |
| 05:28.58 | karsten | liable: ... particularly when it's pointed out. |
| 05:29.39 | liable | karsten: we do, and seeing as no one is asking, why cant we chat? i thought that was one of the thing we agreed upon ? |
| 05:29.54 | karsten | Makenai: In theory, yes. |
| 05:30.03 | karsten | Makenai: http://linuxgazette.net/100/tag/2.html http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/pcffonts.htm |
| 05:30.09 | tengulre | anybody know which ARM support linux , not uCLinux? |
| 05:30.20 | karsten | Makenai: and http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxFonts.html |
| 05:30.33 | Makenai | karsten: Checking, thanks! |
| 05:30.39 | karsten | liable: Just keep it reasonable and mind the questions ;-) |
| 05:30.50 | liable | karsten: mind if i /msg you? |
| 05:30.53 | karsten | liable: I'm not an op, so this is just suggestion, take it as such. |
| 05:30.55 | karsten | liable: Shoot. |
| 05:31.07 | enouf | I have a few little kinda sily questions I could ask .. but maybe not totally debian only related -- [1] how to easily convert xml to html ? (I've seen a sourceforge app called "html tidy" .. but not sure if it does this) ..it seems it's meant to convert the other way |
| 05:31.33 | IoX | Hi there, Im having some trouble with enlightenment 1.6.7 whenever I scroll over certain selections in the menu, I was wondering if anyone here would be able to help. http:\\70.48.52.93\enlightenmentprob.png |
| 05:32.05 | karsten | enouf: "XML" is really a metalanguage, not a languagle. HTML is an XML datatype definition (DTD). Tools exist to convert various XML DTDs among one another, of which XSLT is probably getting the most buzz now. |
| 05:32.16 | enouf | IoX: use forward slashes atleast |
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| 05:32.56 | karsten | tengulre: Not sure what you're referencing. Is it "which Linux distros support ARM", or "which ARM subtypes are supported by Linux"? |
| 05:32.57 | IoX | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.59 | mutante | IoX: maybe apt-cache show xmlto helps |
| 05:33.07 | karsten | tengulre: Debian provides ARM arch support. |
| 05:33.12 | enouf | karsten: ok .. you lost me there - but I'm trying .. I've read about it just a bit .. thanks though |
| 05:33.16 | karsten | !tell tengulre about arm |
| 05:33.37 | karsten | enouf: That's pretty much all I know, most of it from the ORA XLST book I was leafing through yesterday. |
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| 05:33.58 | IoX | mutante: what for? |
| 05:34.08 | enouf | karsten: :-) |
| 05:34.10 | mutante | IoX: sorry, for enouf |
| 05:34.20 | mutante | enouf: maybe 'apt-cache show xmlto' helps |
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| 05:35.21 | enouf | mutante: gotcha and tried that already thanks .. I've seen a couple listed there (apt-cache search xml | grep html | sort) :-) |
| 05:35.31 | enouf | mutante: thank you |
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| 05:36.24 | dan2 | !arm |
| 05:36.25 | dpkg | somebody said arm was Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm |
| 05:36.26 | enouf | mutante: aha ..xml2 - Convert between XML, HTML, CSV and a line-oriented format |
| 05:36.44 | karsten | dan2: /msg the bots please. |
| 05:36.56 | enouf | thanks again .. I'll look into that one -- the docbook converters had me confused a bit |
| 05:37.02 | enouf | mutante: ^^ |
| 05:37.33 | karsten | enouf: There are other converters. I use a set of commandline tools to munge between HTML, text, PS, PDF, HTML, and Word (sort of). TMTOWTDI |
| 05:40.34 | enouf | karsten: hmm ... you know -- I only need it on rare occassion , that's why I'm not up on it .. my acronymonious brain is exploding on that TMTOWTDI stuf - hehe |
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| 05:41.13 | floppyears | ok, so my printer works perfect in my machine and I'm using cups to print |
| 05:41.32 | liable | floppyears: thats for letting us know :) |
| 05:41.33 | floppyears | now I have 2 laptops and I would like to print using the printer that is connected to my debian box. |
| 05:41.47 | liable | s/thats/thanks/ |
| 05:41.55 | karsten | !TMTOWTDI |
| 05:41.55 | dpkg | There's More Than One Way To Do It (in Perl, or....) |
| 05:42.00 | floppyears | how can I setup wireless printing for my locan wireless network so that is also secure |
| 05:42.11 | floppyears | should I use cups , samba or something else ? |
| 05:42.24 | liable | floppyears: you just need to set the printer as a local server |
| 05:43.06 | floppyears | liable: would that be through cups or another program ? |
| 05:43.12 | karsten | floppyears: Goals and means are somewhat at odds. Suspect you'll need to have some sort of authentication and/or crypto on the printer, or offline it and serve it through a WiFi'd server. |
| 05:43.17 | liable | floppyears: then the clients dont even need the drivers, just use postscript and the printer is usually detected cause its broadcast over the network |
| 05:43.21 | karsten | floppyears: offline == !wifi. |
| 05:44.11 | liable | floppyears: only easy way to secure it is make sure your lan is secure via wpa |
| 05:44.30 | floppyears | yes, I already use wpa in my lan |
| 05:44.48 | karsten | liable: WPA is hardly secure. |
| 05:44.53 | liable | floppyears: but you can easily secure admin priveladges in cups conf anyway |
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| 05:45.02 | liable | karsten: meh |
| 05:45.15 | floppyears | yes cups already asks me for the root password for any kind of admin configs |
| 05:45.23 | floppyears | I just want to be able to print from my laptop |
| 05:45.36 | liable | karsten: i am not really keen to get into a discussion about that |
| 05:45.57 | karsten | liable: Just point out that it's not nearly sufficient. Not sure there's a simple solution that is. |
| 05:47.08 | liable | floppyears: /j #flood i'll post my servers cups config. should be enough to get you started |
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| 05:56.14 | IoX | when compiling a wm, what directory would I put it into? |
| 05:56.42 | ahlfors | IoX, doesn't matter where you put it while compiling... |
| 05:56.54 | IoX | it will build into the right directory anyways? |
| 05:57.04 | liable | IoX: /usr/local is the usual, or /opt |
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| 05:58.45 | unstable | What is a decent cad system for gnome/debian? |
| 05:59.29 | IoX | thanks ahlfors & liable |
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| 06:01.30 | grim | i'm doing an install from a daily build netinst cd, and i'm trying to put my root on a raid 1 on a silicon image raid controller. The installer detects everything correctly, installs grub correctly and so on, but the siimage module is never added/used in the initramfs so it fails to find the root fs since the device doesn't exist. I'm not using lvm. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 06:01.32 | IoX | unstable, http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html has a list |
| 06:01.33 | luge | ahlfors, liable and thorstein LLC |
| 06:01.58 | ahlfors | luge, huh? |
| 06:02.29 | luge | those were _really_ my lawyers that got me unbanned from #openbsd |
| 06:02.49 | liable | grim: unusual. try chrooting in and adding it to initramfs.conf and reconfigure the kernel |
| 06:02.54 | ahlfors | grim, when booting with root on raid, building the HW driver into the kernel is the right thing to do. You can mess with initrd to do it, in theory... |
| 06:03.04 | liable | luge: what are you on about? |
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| 06:04.03 | grim | oh, this is during an install.. |
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| 06:04.10 | grim | s/oh/ok/ |
| 06:04.13 | host` | rawr |
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| 06:05.01 | unstable | damn, why are there 40 CAD softwares for GNU/Linux heh |
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| 06:05.35 | nvz | unstable: can never have too many choices I suppose |
| 06:05.52 | nvz | I find it hard to decide when I have too many options though |
| 06:05.55 | enouf | wow ..am I brainfarting .. this is soo simple -- here's the usage for xml2; ~$ xml2 --help |
| 06:05.55 | enouf | usage: [xml2|html2] < [xml|html] > out |
| 06:05.57 | grim | liable, ahlfors: as i mentioned this is during an install so building the kernel is kind of out of the question unless i want to make another set of bootable media by hand after building the kernel on another machine.. |
| 06:06.14 | Xorm | Is k3d a good modeling software? |
| 06:06.27 | pohwom | is it okay to mount /dev/hde without a number? |
| 06:06.28 | Xorm | Or is there something else more widely used? |
| 06:06.30 | nvz | never heard of k3d |
| 06:06.33 | Xorm | hmm. |
| 06:06.36 | nvz | sounds too much like k3b |
| 06:06.39 | Xorm | haha |
| 06:06.45 | nvz | which is something altogether different |
| 06:06.45 | Xorm | It does, huh. |
| 06:06.50 | grim | i'm more concerned that the installer detects the needed module and doesn't realize that root was put on a drive that needs the module and as such doesn't add it to the initramfs |
| 06:06.52 | Xorm | k-3D |
| 06:06.55 | liable | grim: what i mean, is use the install disk as rescue media, chroot into your install and rebuild the kernel with dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-foo |
| 06:06.57 | ahlfors | grim, raid 1 right? Just install on one disk and then build the raid 1 later. |
| 06:06.58 | nvz | yeeah especially if you are dyslexic |
| 06:07.03 | liable | grim: after editing the conf file |
| 06:07.16 | enouf | wouldn't that be (for converting xml to html) --> " xml2 < foo.xml > bar.html ?? |
| 06:07.24 | grim | ahlfors: heh, thats a good idea ;) |
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| 06:07.38 | grim | but going from rescue mode sounds like a better idea right now :) |
| 06:07.39 | liable | grim: dont forget, you used a daily build, these have no gaurentte at all.. |
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| 06:07.48 | Xorm | Have you heard of Blender? |
| 06:07.52 | IoX | Xorm: Ive heard of K3d, Ive never really used it though. Im a blender user myself |
| 06:07.58 | Xorm | ah |
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| 06:08.00 | IoX | Xorm, you use blender? |
| 06:08.05 | Xorm | Not yet =p |
| 06:08.06 | grim | liable: yeah, but i've also seen some odd behavior, and i've needed the daily builds lately anyways.. |
| 06:08.08 | Xorm | I have it though. |
| 06:08.12 | liable | heck, even the rc ones dont :) |
| 06:08.17 | Xorm | How |
| 06:08.23 | Xorm | How's the learning curve on blender? |
| 06:08.29 | nvz | Xorm: yeah it scares me makes me feel like I woke up in the cockpit of an alien space craft where everyone mysteriously dissapeared and I am hurling though space on a collision course |
| 06:08.46 | Xorm | hahaha |
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| 06:08.48 | nvz | Xorm: I hear its got good documentation though |
| 06:08.52 | grim | the odd behavior i noticed tonight... between the gtk and the ncurses installers, my network devices were swapped, and the hd's on the raid controller took sda and sdb in the gtk installer, while in the ncurses installer they took sdb and sdc |
| 06:08.59 | Xorm | arright then, thanks. |
| 06:09.00 | liable | nvz: dont forget to mention the anal probe |
| 06:09.08 | IoX | Xorm: I used the video tutorials on www.blender3d.org |
| 06:09.11 | grim | Xorm: blender has video tutorials on their site, it's pretty easy to pick up from that |
| 06:09.18 | nvz | oh yeah, and my rectum is still bleeding from the anal probe |
| 06:09.21 | IoX | grim: we're thinknig the same ;) |
| 06:09.21 | liable | grim: try #debian-boot on oftc |
| 06:09.23 | nvz | liable: ;) |
| 06:09.26 | Xorm | w00t |
| 06:09.35 | liable | nvz: thats better :) |
| 06:09.41 | IoX | Xorm: Its fairly hard at first, but theres no doubt that its rewarding once you get it |
| 06:10.07 | grim | liable: right now i'm more concerned with bring this machine back up :) |
| 06:10.13 | Xorm | whoa, looks powerful O_o |
| 06:10.30 | nvz | liable: I can understand lots of the ET folklore.. but I dont know what kind of wackjob ever thought that ET lifeforms had any interest in our anus |
| 06:10.34 | IoX | Xorm: oh, you've never looked at it before? |
| 06:10.34 | liable | grim: well, then you should have installed sarge :P |
| 06:10.41 | Xorm | I haven't seen the results.. |
| 06:10.49 | Xorm | well, until now. |
| 06:10.52 | grim | liable: it's my desktop and main development machine, it can't use stable :P |
| 06:11.18 | liable | nvz: agreed, but it kinda makes sense i guess.. aliens.. might as well throw in some uncomfortable anal probing.. |
| 06:11.26 | IoX | heh, yeah, its pretty amazing |
| 06:11.38 | Xorm | you kidding? |
| 06:11.45 | Xorm | I'm like !!!holy crap!!! |
| 06:11.56 | IoX | Xorm: what? |
| 06:12.05 | grim | hah, this time it worked ;) |
| 06:12.10 | Xorm | ? |
| 06:12.22 | nvz | liable: yeah well we got people from this planet who seem to fancy that sort of thing.. weather it be for kinky pleasures or just a routine checkup |
| 06:12.26 | Xorm | I meant it was HOLY CRAP cool? |
| 06:12.43 | IoX | yeah |
| 06:12.57 | Xorm | I'm browsing the posted art, just about all of them I thought were photos. |
| 06:12.59 | liable | nvz: yeah, i am dreading getting to the age of prostate checks :/ |
| 06:13.31 | liable | nvz: but, who knows, it may be enjoyable o_0 |
| 06:13.42 | IoX | Heh, yeah, its so realistic in some of them. I wish I was that good |
| 06:13.45 | grim | liable: a prostate exam is nothing.. just pray you never need a colonoscopy or sigmodoscopy (i have no idea how to spell that one..) |
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| 06:14.27 | nvz | liable: I figure if you just eat something foul the day before after the first time the doc will learn his lesson |
| 06:14.33 | liable | grim: indeed. i had a friend that had polyps.. interesting account of how he was violated. |
| 06:14.45 | grim | liable: yeah it sucks |
| 06:15.01 | liable | nvz: or make sure you need the full rectal examination.. :/ |
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| 06:15.18 | liable | anyway, i think thats enough of that line of conversation.. |
| 06:15.22 | grim | yeah |
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| 06:15.24 | nvz | heh ;) |
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| 06:15.39 | NaufraGo | does anybody know about k3b? |
| 06:15.39 | dimi3 | hi, how update only one package? |
| 06:15.55 | nvz | wonders why none of the interesting -ot people never make it to the offtopic channel |
| 06:15.56 | grim | dimi3: apt-get install <package-name> as root |
| 06:16.01 | liable | dimi3: just do a install of it and it will only update that one |
| 06:16.16 | dimi3 | grim: litage thanks |
| 06:16.39 | nvz | NaufraGo: lots of people know about it... |
| 06:16.48 | nvz | NaufraGo: its not a secret or anything |
| 06:16.49 | liable | nvz: STILL NO LUCK EH? |
| 06:16.57 | liable | oops |
| 06:17.07 | NaufraGo | I want to change the k3b theme, and I don't know what directory I have to put the theme folder in |
| 06:17.23 | liable | NaufraGo: does the theme have a readme? |
| 06:17.29 | NaufraGo | no |
| 06:17.35 | nvz | NaufraGo: i'd imagine k3b uses QT/KDE themes so asking in a kde channel might be a good idea |
| 06:18.20 | nvz | most knowledgable people around here dont particularly care about graphical interfaces much less themes |
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| 06:18.42 | grim | nvz: that's not entirely true... you can only split your screen window so many times... but you can increase that number a lot in X ; |
| 06:18.47 | grim | s/;/;)/ |
| 06:19.31 | floppyears | ok, so I was able to add my printer and is recognized by the client, but the problem is that when I try to print |
| 06:19.35 | nvz | grim: I use screen in X, but I dont have any gui or themes. I just use sawfish and have the terminal window streched across the screen and ignored by the WM |
| 06:19.48 | floppyears | the client says, that the host is busy; and it will retry in 30 seconds and it just hangs in that msg |
| 06:19.49 | grim | nvz: nice |
| 06:19.51 | floppyears | :( |
| 06:19.53 | floppyears | any clues ? |
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| 06:22.52 | ncolgan | Can someone tell me whats wrong with this command? find ./ -iname *.m4a -exec faad -o "~/`basename "{}"`.wav" '{}' \; |
| 06:22.59 | ncolgan | "~/`basename "{}"`.wav" doesn't seem to expand to what i want it to |
| 06:23.34 | liable | try #bash |
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| 06:24.08 | liable | floppyears: but the server can still print? |
| 06:24.15 | bdizzle | how do you see how much mem a process is using? |
| 06:24.27 | bdizzle | outside of using top |
| 06:25.01 | liable | ps? |
| 06:25.21 | bdizzle | well, ps and top gotta be giving bad output |
| 06:25.48 | grim | ncolgan: "*.m4a" |
| 06:26.02 | grim | ncolgan: the * is getting expanded to all the files in the current directory |
| 06:26.08 | bdizzle | according to free, i have 13mb available, but top and ps aux shows im using less than 2% of ram |
| 06:26.19 | floppyears | liable: yeah the server can still print just fine |
| 06:27.32 | bdizzle | can anyone help? |
| 06:27.35 | liable | floppyears: hrm, havent seen the 'host busy' error myself, so i dunno how to help other than looking at the cups log on the host (if you can understand em) |
| 06:27.48 | floppyears | ok, thanks for all your help though :) |
| 06:28.04 | liable | no worries |
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| 06:28.27 | liable | bdizzle: explain a little better, i dont quite get what your problem is |
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| 06:28.55 | d0uglas | whenever i reboot i get a sound server error that is fixable when i chmod /dev/dsp but the changes get reset after a reboot .. any way to fix that? |
| 06:29.09 | bdizzle | according to free im using 993mb of ram. but top and ps says im only using 2% of ram |
| 06:29.21 | bdizzle | so im confused as to how much ram im using |
| 06:29.42 | liable | bdizzle: linux caches ram, so effectively, it looks like its all being used |
| 06:29.53 | bdizzle | when does it cache it? |
| 06:29.57 | bdizzle | at boot? |
| 06:30.20 | liable | heh, dunno, i guess at boot, yeah |
| 06:30.35 | nvz | free ram is wasted ram |
| 06:30.49 | Tallu | I was actually thinking of creating ram disks and running every service off ram, and just sync the files to hd every hour or so ;) would make search times nice and fast |
| 06:30.56 | nvz | theres no reason to not be caching disk reads and whatnot when you have the memory available |
| 06:30.57 | IoX | unstable: you pick a cad program? |
| 06:31.08 | IoX | unstable, just wondering if you found one :P |
| 06:31.23 | bdizzle | becuase after i reboot, im using 32mb |
| 06:31.36 | Tallu | bdizzle: it starts caching it as you run the system |
| 06:31.37 | bdizzle | and im not sure whats using the other 900+mb |
| 06:31.58 | Tallu | whenever a program needs more ram, its automatically freed though |
| 06:32.01 | Tallu | so i wouldnt worry |
| 06:32.05 | nvz | bdizzle: disk controller and such are using it for cache |
| 06:32.11 | bdizzle | ok cool, just wanted to make |
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| 06:32.22 | bdizzle | i figured that might be the reason but i wasnt sure |
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| 06:32.41 | nvz | bdizzle: have faith in your kernel, and worship no other kernels before him |
| 06:32.53 | bdizzle | the next question tho is, what app is currently holding the memory? im just curious |
| 06:33.00 | bdizzle | ntoskrnl? |
| 06:33.04 | liable | the kernel |
| 06:33.23 | liable | @love the kernel |
| 06:33.25 | bdizzle | ahhh, gotcha, never thought about that |
| 06:33.38 | nvz | bdizzle: a program that graphs memory usage my help you.. one that shows which portion is applications and which is what we call shared |
| 06:33.44 | liable | ravenbird: you fool |
| 06:33.44 | bdizzle | .....lol did i join #gay-debian or something? |
| 06:33.45 | ravenbird | aah, who's the fool now liable |
| 06:34.09 | nvz | bdizzle: kernel will give up this shared memory as needed, but its certainly not going to degrade your performance by letting unused memory go to waste |
| 06:34.11 | bdizzle | i dont have x installed, do u know of a command based one? |
| 06:35.07 | nvz | bdizzle: I really like htop.. its a top variant with a curses interface that colorcodes the memory usage anyhow |
| 06:35.16 | karsten | bdizzle: Not that there's anything wrong with that.... |
| 06:35.41 | nvz | bdizzle: green for used memory, blue for buffered, and yellow for shared |
| 06:35.45 | liable | unless your a republican |
| 06:35.59 | nvz | heh |
| 06:36.18 | nvz | liable: its okay (from other repulicans point of view) to be republican. |
| 06:36.23 | karsten | liable: apparently nothing worth noticing for years. |
| 06:36.31 | karsten | nvz: htop does graphing? |
| 06:36.50 | nvz | karsten: nothing fancy but it somewhat illistrates what the memory is being used for |
| 06:37.18 | nvz | karsten: color codes the usage of memory used/buffered/shared |
| 06:37.20 | bdizzle | ok, so most the mem is yellow |
| 06:37.29 | nvz | karsten: its an all around good application to have though |
| 06:37.36 | karsten | nvz: Yeah, just installed it |
| 06:37.38 | bdizzle | meaning the kernel has it right |
| 06:37.44 | karsten | nvz: An occupational hazard of #d |
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| 06:38.08 | liable | karsten: yeah, i have some grammar issues, but i kinda like annoying some people here about it, so i try not to mend my ways :) |
| 06:38.08 | floppyears | thanks for your help liable it was a port setting |
| 06:38.14 | nvz | bdizzle: yeah that means that the kernel sees that you arent using hardly any of your ram and its putting it to good use caching reads to help speed up throughput |
| 06:38.17 | karsten | !fix liable |
| 06:38.19 | liable | floppyears: yay |
| 06:38.39 | bdizzle | nvz: cool thanks for he help |
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| 06:39.00 | liable | i dont need a special visit, i seem unlikely to be able to procreate in the near future :/ |
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| 06:40.18 | liable | bugger, early start for work tomorrow :( |
| 06:40.47 | muxmall | g'day mate |
| 06:40.55 | liable | s |
| 06:41.32 | muxmall | when i install mysql, i get this:Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 06:41.51 | muxmall | which are the packages to install? |
| 06:42.08 | nvz | liable: at least you have work tomorrow.. closest thing I have is going back to work on this ford that's been giving me greif for a week over something as simple as a water pump |
| 06:42.15 | wols | muxmall: mysql-server |
| 06:42.20 | karsten | muxmall: Probably misconfigured. Check your server logs. |
| 06:42.21 | wols | muxmall: check lops why it's failing |
| 06:42.25 | aeronadix | are lots of linuxers Nazis or some shit? |
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| 06:42.32 | karsten | !ops aeronadix trolling |
| 06:42.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: aeronadix trolling |
| 06:42.34 | liable | nvz: eh? whats so hard about a waterpump? |
| 06:42.43 | wols | aeronadix: yes, except the ones who are bigots |
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| 06:42.59 | nvz | liable: Its burried under the timing belt and I cant for the life of me get the crackshaft pully wheel off |
| 06:43.16 | muxmall | more info: Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 06:43.17 | muxmall | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.19 | muxmall | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.20 | muxmall | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 06:43.35 | liable | nvz: ew, yeah crank pullies can be a bitch, never seen a waterpump behing a crank pully though |
| 06:43.35 | wols | muxmall: Do NOT paste in channel |
| 06:43.43 | wols | and if you MUST paste, paste useful info |
| 06:43.45 | karsten | !tell muxmall about paster |
| 06:43.47 | nvz | liable: horrible design on this engine.. and the bolt is all rusted.. I am about to try the method described in the hayes manual.. which involves taking the starter off |
| 06:43.50 | muxmall | karsten: which log to look at? |
| 06:44.02 | aeronadix | I can't figure out why my flash doesn't work, or maybe its javascript. How do I enable javascript. Is there flash plugin version 7 available, them adobe dudes are a real pain the ass |
| 06:44.04 | karsten | muxmall: /var/log/*mysql* would be a good start |
| 06:44.10 | muxmall | k |
| 06:44.12 | karsten | muxmall: /var/log/messages /var/log/daemon |
| 06:44.20 | nvz | liable: its under the timing belt cover which is 3 pieces and the bottom piece rests behind the crankshaft pully so it has to come off in order to remove the pump |
| 06:44.25 | karsten | nvz: OT |
| 06:44.42 | nvz | karsten: like I said earlier none of the good ot people go to the ot channel :P |
| 06:44.57 | wols | aeronadix: flash-plugin is in non-free, javascript should be on by default |
| 06:44.58 | liable | word |
| 06:45.00 | karsten | nvz: /n #debian-offtopic |
| 06:45.04 | karsten | nvz: Start a trend. |
| 06:45.08 | nvz | karsten: I've been there for about a month now and I discovered I have nothing in common with most these people |
| 06:45.10 | karsten | wols: check hist lastlog. |
| 06:45.23 | karsten | wols: Don't encourage that. |
| 06:45.29 | Xorm | dang |
| 06:45.32 | nvz | karsten: seems like I am talking to myself most of the time :) |
| 06:45.34 | aeronadix | wols, I installed that, but I don't think it is new enough for yahoo chess, and I can't find the javascript setting in mozilla just to check even |
| 06:45.35 | Xorm | looking at blenders tutorials |
| 06:45.39 | Xorm | it's really amazing |
| 06:45.56 | liable | aeronadix: about:config |
| 06:46.12 | IoX | Xorm: you played around with it yet? |
| 06:46.13 | liable | aeronadix: err.. about:plugins |
| 06:46.17 | aeronadix | blender is the bomb, very easy to use, and designed for quick designing. More keystokes than mouse work, so makes for faster designing |
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| 06:46.38 | nvz | karsten: I can give you a practical reason to go, its the only place you can find Greg anymore |
| 06:46.42 | Anarka | aeronadix dunno about yahoo checss but some yahoo games require java |
| 06:47.17 | karsten | nvz: Greg? |
| 06:47.21 | nvz | karsten: greycat |
| 06:47.40 | wols | aeronadix: in firefox it's tools, content, "enable javascript" |
| 06:47.42 | aeronadix | Anarka, I have java, but I think i turned off javascript one day |
| 06:47.43 | karsten | nvz: OK. |
| 06:47.59 | wols | and to check for flash "about:plugins" |
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| 06:48.04 | bdizzle | i have a HT cpu, how do i assign a process to a "cpu"? |
| 06:48.08 | nvz | karsten: hmm you must be the only one who doesnt miss greycat |
| 06:48.15 | nvz | karsten: even dpkg misses him :P |
| 06:48.19 | karsten | nvz: Heh. |
| 06:48.20 | wols | bdizzle: you can't since it's HT. it isn't really 2 CPUs |
| 06:48.26 | liable | heh |
| 06:48.26 | aeronadix | wols, I am using Mozilla |
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| 06:48.37 | karsten | nvz: What happened to him? Here, that is. Issues? |
| 06:48.46 | liable | karsten: fable |
| 06:48.47 | bdizzle | so theres no way to assign it like in windows? |
| 06:48.47 | wols | aeronadix: then come down from the high hores and use firefox for testing it? |
| 06:48.55 | karsten | liable: OK |
| 06:49.04 | wols | bdizzle: even if windows let you assign it, it's meaninguless |
| 06:49.24 | ncolgan | why does < find ./ -iname "*.m4a" -exec basename '{}' .m4a \; > display correctly and < find ./ -iname "*.m4a" -exec echo `basename '{}'` \; > does not? |
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| 06:49.33 | nvz | karsten: yeah read the fable.. its politics.. you'd think now that debian shifted gears and moved to OFTC and the unfortunate turn of events on freenode from lilo passing and what not he'd consider returning |
| 06:49.33 | liable | karsten: meaning.. the fable.. /msg dpkg fable |
| 06:49.38 | karsten | liable: I know. |
| 06:49.42 | aeronadix | I think a lot of people in industry are so loyal to Microsoft that they black listed me for being a linuxer |
| 06:49.44 | liable | ok |
| 06:49.47 | aeronadix | I can't get a damn jon |
| 06:49.53 | aeronadix | job in this damn town |
| 06:50.05 | muxmall | daemon.log has this line: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket ' |
| 06:50.06 | bdizzle | wols: what if it was dual core. could u assign it then, or does it really have to be a smp? |
| 06:50.07 | aeronadix | even government welfare system refuses to place me |
| 06:50.07 | muxmall | /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 06:50.07 | nvz | though I am sure he feels like he did his best and was betrayed and will probably never return |
| 06:50.20 | liable | aeronadix: lower your standards, or get some bling and become a pimp :) |
| 06:50.26 | wols | bdizzle: dual core IS a SMP, at least logically |
| 06:50.33 | karsten | bdizzle: HT's actual performance benefits are pretty slim to nil, particularly in Linux (haven't played much with 'Doze). I know of a number of folks very interested at high performance in critical areas who simply disable it. |
| 06:50.35 | aeronadix | liable, they offered me a pimp position, but I turned it down |
| 06:50.52 | liable | i dont think he'll be back, have seen people ask him, and i dont think he cares so much anymore |
| 06:50.52 | aeronadix | liable, I will take any job, but I can't do labour |
| 06:50.56 | nvz | I feel like I need to start learning some more stuff to hang out here.. my scope seems to narrow anymore. |
| 06:50.59 | karsten | bdizzle: Theoretically you get multiple cores. In practice, actual performance changes little (or gets worse) for additional overhead. |
| 06:51.13 | muxmall | and this line: Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 06:51.43 | bdizzle | karsten: with HT or dual core? |
| 06:51.45 | aeronadix | nvz, no man, this place is for nubes |
| 06:51.49 | nvz | I guess its just the community growing around me and I am not learning new things because I know enough to get by |
| 06:51.56 | karsten | bdizzle: HT |
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| 06:52.05 | karsten | bdizzle: Dual core is real. |
| 06:52.23 | bdizzle | karsten: i was hoping i could use HT to help out my VMs |
| 06:52.38 | karsten | bdizzle: Heavy-process / heavy-thread OSs (such as WinNT / XP) may see different benefits. |
| 06:52.44 | aeronadix | man, my dad has a p4 with ddr ram and I got p3 with sdram, and my linux systems way out performs his win XP system |
| 06:52.51 | karsten | bdizzle: Try it. My experience suggests not. |
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| 06:53.08 | nvz | aeronadix: yeah but when it comes to like networking stuff like iptables, things like sql..etc I just have no interest.. my specialy is kernel, x configuration, and basic policy/package management.. seems like the majority of the issues I come across anymore arent within my scop |
| 06:53.20 | aeronadix | I can never use windows anymore, how can I get used to stickneww after enjoying linux efficiency |
| 06:53.29 | karsten | bdizzle: Even partitioning out guests over HT CPUs didn't show much benefit (the specific area I was testing at the time). |
| 06:53.46 | aeronadix | nvz, yeah, I don't do nothing but watch porn |
| 06:53.56 | muxmall | i have removed and purge mysql-*. which is or are the necessary package(s) for mysql? |
| 06:54.13 | aeronadix | nvz, maybe I should leaven then eh? |
| 06:54.16 | wols | muxmall: yes |
| 06:54.19 | nvz | aeronadix: I pretty much just irc and listen to music.. I need to learn how to do more |
| 06:54.26 | karsten | nvz: Pick an area you want to learn more of, and do. |
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| 06:54.30 | muxmall | wols: yes what? |
| 06:54.34 | aeronadix | nvz, yeah and I download movies and watch them too |
| 06:54.44 | wols | muxmall: have you asked a question or not? |
| 06:54.49 | nvz | aeronadix: ever since I stopped working activly in the field I have no real motive to learn new things |
| 06:54.52 | aeronadix | nvz, try blender3d, thats fun |
| 06:55.20 | aeronadix | nvz, why dont you do some art in Inkscape, or do some photography in gimp |
| 06:55.24 | karsten | nvz: Mind that a lot of thet questions here are userspace. Practical, paying stuff tends toward: Web (PHP, Ruby, Rails, apache), security, kernelspace, LAN ops (NFS, LDAP). |
| 06:55.27 | nvz | aeronadix: yeah my movies I've seen a dozen times I need to get some more I've considered joining netflix and gamefly |
| 06:55.52 | aeronadix | nvz, nah, man go to check out packetnews.com |
| 06:56.00 | nvz | karsten: yeah I dont know anything about PHP, Ruby, Rails, LDAP, and very little about apache. |
| 06:56.01 | muxmall | wols: "i have removed and purge mysql-*. which is or are the necessary package(s) for mysql?" is this not a question? |
| 06:56.08 | aeronadix | nvz, unless you too honest that is |
| 06:56.39 | nvz | karsten: I am interested in LDAP though I should work on that.. I've noticed even on my small home network how having a centralized configuration server could save me lots of time and aggrivation |
| 06:56.44 | karsten | nvz: Most of my own learning has been job-directed, or what I need for my own configs. |
| 06:56.59 | aeronadix | nvz, I am below poverty line all my life, so I have no guilt in stealing some movies. THey full of commercials and ideology anyway, sometimes I feel I should get paid to watch them |
| 06:57.00 | karsten | nvz: ... and database-related stuff. SQL offers a lot of mileage. |
| 06:57.02 | nvz | karsten: and I sometimes use apache for a local mirror of packages |
| 06:57.09 | wols | muxmall: and I answered the question |
| 06:57.19 | nvz | aeronadix: yeah I feel the same way |
| 06:58.05 | aeronadix | nvz, did you every try Lyx for documents, its make some cool looking documents, like text books, blows word out of park |
| 06:58.18 | nvz | aeronadix: never heard of it |
| 06:59.03 | muxmall | wols: yes, mysql-server, i did that and have the same problem i.e. Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 06:59.07 | karsten | nvz: latex front-end. |
| 06:59.15 | aeronadix | nvz, they claim that with lyx you stop worrying about format and just focus on content, cause they elliminated the double space after a period, but its not true, you gotta fiddle with format to make things how you like in Lyx too. But it is worth it |
| 06:59.18 | liable | cool looking docs dont do you any good unless windows users can read em |
| 06:59.21 | karsten | nvz: very nearly WYSIWYF |
| 06:59.29 | karsten | erm, WYG |
| 06:59.38 | aeronadix | liable, they can using adobe acrobat reader |
| 06:59.40 | karsten | liable: print to PDF |
| 06:59.44 | nvz | karsten: yeah I just looked it up. I never used latex for anything other than preventing the spread of my genes |
| 06:59.46 | liable | heh, i was scratching my head for the F |
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| 07:00.05 | liable | eww |
| 07:00.08 | nvz | heh |
| 07:00.15 | aeronadix | maybe you should get a wife |
| 07:00.22 | nvz | yeah definatly |
| 07:00.29 | wols | muxmall: then maybe you should do what people told you twice already? |
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| 07:00.52 | muxmall | wols: stfu, you know nuts. |
| 07:00.56 | aeronadix | latex rules, word docs look so cheap. Latex looks like a publisher printed it |
| 07:00.58 | nvz | I'm kind of in love right now finally, but I am not sure its going anywhere |
| 07:01.20 | aeronadix | nvz, love is hollywood bullshit, get real dude |
| 07:01.22 | wols | muxmall: please stop calling names. At least I know how to start a mysql server tho |
| 07:01.23 | liable | !aww |
| 07:01.23 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 07:01.27 | aeronadix | nvz, but its fun |
| 07:01.42 | muxmall | wols: maybe, maybe. maybe you are a moron. no, that's not a 'maybe', its a certainty. |
| 07:01.44 | liable | muxmall: not nice to call people trying to help you names |
| 07:01.53 | aeronadix | forget about enslavement, go fall in love |
| 07:01.59 | liable | muxmall: chill |
| 07:02.01 | muxmall | liable: where's the help? |
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| 07:02.11 | wols | muxmall: you just drove it off? |
| 07:02.15 | muxmall | can't even help to install a package. |
| 07:02.39 | aeronadix | muxmall, who ever needed help installing a package on debian. Is this a redhat channel or something? |
| 07:02.58 | aeronadix | muxmall, install it, whats a matter you |
| 07:03.01 | karsten | nvz: largely what aeronadix said. LaTeX is a standard for a number of publishing fields, fits in well with a number of other tasks, is related to stuff like DocBook in a general sort of way. Lets you focus on writing the work, rather than obsessing over appearance. Also tends to survive much better. |
| 07:03.20 | karsten | aeronadix: Um. Dude. You had a *really* bad entrance, and are continuing to show a bad attitude. |
| 07:03.29 | karsten | aeronadix: answer the question if you can. Shut up if you can't. |
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| 07:03.35 | aeronadix | karsten, I obssess over appearance plenty on lyx though, but its still worth it |
| 07:03.35 | karsten | aeronadix: ... or prefer not to. |
| 07:03.40 | nvz | karsten: yeah I know about latex, I know its a superior text formatting language |
| 07:03.55 | aeronadix | karsten, what was the question? |
| 07:04.10 | nvz | karsten: just never found a need for it yet as I dont really do much productive work on my pcs anymore |
| 07:04.22 | karsten | nvz: Now I can believe that ;-) |
| 07:04.38 | aeronadix | nvz, I just mentioned it to you, cause I am glad to have lyx as a tool for myself |
| 07:04.41 | muxmall | i'll have to sweat it out myself. bunch of unless fools around here. only good at talking nonsense. bye. |
| 07:04.48 | nvz | karsten: yeah, shocker.. nvz wastes time on irc helping other people get shit done.. story at 11 |
| 07:04.53 | aeronadix | muxmall, why won't it install? |
| 07:05.07 | wols | ah, a singaporean. why am I not suprised? |
| 07:05.09 | liable | @customer |
| 07:05.09 | derek_ | people |
| 07:05.10 | ravenbird | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 07:05.11 | nvz | he was a little to bitter to be helped it seemed |
| 07:05.15 | karsten | wols: Chill |
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| 07:05.50 | karsten | Idiots aren't any reason to act as same, folks. |
| 07:05.51 | derek_ | if one has to do: mv location1/location2/file <to this current directory> ...what's the destination path? |
| 07:06.07 | wols | derek_: . |
| 07:06.11 | karsten | derek_: mv <current loc> <desired loc> |
| 07:06.16 | liable | its all a frame of mind.. |
| 07:06.24 | derek_ | karsten: Hi |
| 07:06.42 | karsten | derek_: Erm. "." == PWD. You can also say $PWD if you want, but nobody does. |
| 07:06.47 | karsten | derek_: mv /some/file . |
| 07:06.53 | karsten | derek_: ... or mv /some/file $PWD |
| 07:07.01 | derek_ | I mean if the destination source is the current directory (from which the command is executed) ..how to write it? isn't there a short way? ..or one has to type the whole path? |
| 07:07.08 | karsten | derek_: '.' |
| 07:07.08 | derek_ | dot? ok |
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| 07:07.16 | karsten | derek_: A dot == PWD. ".." == parent dir |
| 07:07.26 | derek_ | thanks |
| 07:07.34 | karsten | derek_: Buy yourself a Linux book. |
| 07:07.51 | wols | or download a free one from the net |
| 07:07.57 | nvz | derek_: ~ is your $HOME too while we are hurling fyi's |
| 07:08.11 | karsten | !tell derek_ about fundamentals |
| 07:08.18 | derek_ | I know ~, and .., and pwd |
| 07:08.24 | derek_ | didn't know pwd == . |
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| 07:08.41 | karsten | derek_: Now you do. Check out the refs dpkg told you. |
| 07:08.48 | karsten | !fundamentals |
| 07:08.49 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 07:08.50 | derek_ | btw, karsten, I'm sometimes getting this message on the console: APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 07:09.10 | karsten | derek_: That's a kernel error. Check 'dmesg' output or /var/log/kern.log |
| 07:09.24 | derek_ | dmesg is a long output |
| 07:09.27 | derek_ | ok |
| 07:09.52 | liable | la la la |
| 07:10.06 | bdizzle | i get a mount not a directory error when mounting an iso. i tripple checked the paths and everything seems ok |
| 07:10.20 | karsten | derek_: dmesg | less |
| 07:10.30 | nvz | derek_: if its not causing any problems ignore it.. otherwise try a kernel update or disabiling the APIC |
| 07:10.33 | karsten | bdizzle: file or CD? |
| 07:10.36 | bdizzle | iso |
| 07:10.39 | derek_ | karsten: what to check for in it? |
| 07:11.03 | derek_ | it doesn't *seem* to cause any problem |
| 07:11.04 | karsten | bdizzle: mkdir /mnt/misc; mount -o loop -t iso9660 -r <iso-file> /mnt/misc |
| 07:11.18 | bdizzle | karsten: thats what i did |
| 07:11.21 | karsten | derek_: Any similar errors and text around it. Paste if necessary. |
| 07:11.25 | karsten | !tell derek_ about paster |
| 07:11.29 | liable | derek_: a noapic kernel option is prolly the fix |
| 07:11.29 | karsten | derek_: *NOT* to channel |
| 07:11.34 | bdizzle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.37 | karsten | derek_: ... and what liable said. |
| 07:11.39 | nvz | derek_: seems like the kernel is detecting a buggy interrupt controller |
| 07:11.49 | derek_ | ok |
| 07:11.53 | karsten | bdizzle: /mnt/iso is a directory? |
| 07:11.59 | bdizzle | karsten: yep |
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| 07:12.08 | bdizzle | karsten: logged in as root too |
| 07:12.09 | karsten | bdizzle: Nothing's currently mounted there? |
| 07:12.13 | bdizzle | karsten: no |
| 07:12.14 | karsten | bdizzle: Good, that, root. |
| 07:12.17 | nvz | derek_: buggy hardware is very common on laptops and low-end systems anymore |
| 07:12.20 | karsten | bdizzle: Any other error output? |
| 07:12.29 | bdizzle | karsten: no, just not a directory |
| 07:12.32 | derek_ | nvz: or perhaps this "interrupt controller" is unfamiliar to the kernel? |
| 07:12.57 | liable | derek_: if you read the kernel log, i believe it mentions about apic |
| 07:13.07 | karsten | dpkg: forget fundamentals |
| 07:13.14 | liable | well, it used to |
| 07:13.21 | karsten | dpkg: no, fundamentals is You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.htm |
| 07:13.22 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 07:13.44 | karsten | Feh. |
| 07:13.44 | nvz | derek_: likely.. what happens is to save cost on laptops and cheap hardware (which are hard to design within a certain price range).. they will intentionally overlook these kinds of bugs and issue a much cheaper software fix for the problem or just figure oh well, we are shipping it with windows and its going to fuck up anyhow.. |
| 07:13.45 | liable | oh dear, replanting the seed of satan |
| 07:13.52 | karsten | liable: ? |
| 07:14.11 | nvz | derek_: in the FOSS world its a difficult task to stay on top of non-standard hardware and the various bugs that come with it |
| 07:14.41 | liable | karsten: our factoids have been selectively chosen not to cause harm to any animal in the making of those factoids, ot harm to any clueless debian user in the reading of such factoids |
| 07:14.45 | liable | :) |
| 07:14.59 | bdizzle | is there a package that i can use to mount iso's? |
| 07:15.03 | derek_ | nvz: I see |
| 07:15.07 | karsten | liable: Yeah, I'm trying to stamp the Good Chankeeping Seal of Approval on 'fundamentals'. |
| 07:15.10 | karsten | bdizzle: 'mount' |
| 07:15.18 | liable | karsten: nm, i thought you actually changed it back to an old factoid |
| 07:15.22 | derek_ | karsten: dmesg | less , bash: less: command not found |
| 07:15.24 | wols | bdizzle: what is the error you get? |
| 07:15.31 | karsten | bdizzle: 'dmesg' Any errors? Also /var/log/kern.log /var/log/messages |
| 07:15.35 | karsten | !tell derek_ about installit |
| 07:15.36 | bdizzle | wols: not a directory |
| 07:15.47 | bdizzle | karsten: for some reason mount isn't working |
| 07:15.59 | karsten | bdizzle: Evidently. |
| 07:16.13 | karsten | bdizzle: Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to determine why this is the case. |
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| 07:16.25 | Nigromante | hello |
| 07:16.26 | liable | when mount fails on file type, theres usually a fux0red fs |
| 07:16.28 | karsten | liable: The first sentance can't be lost. |
| 07:16.54 | karsten | bdizzle: umount /mnt/iso; rmdir /mnt/iso; mkdir /mnt/iso |
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| 07:16.56 | sime | bdizzle, the mount man page has an example |
| 07:16.59 | karsten | bdizzle: ... then try mounting again. |
| 07:17.06 | nvz | derek_: a good example that comes to mind is that long ago we used to ship pcs with sound cards and modems.. you know a Digital Signal Processor chip, amplifiers, audio codec chips..etc now we just ship a board with a DSP on it, and we use software codecs and patches to use the same dsp to serve both functions. its cheaper to build and duplicate a software modem and software codecs |
| 07:17.12 | karsten | bdizzle: The command I gave you *should* work. You need to sort why not |
| 07:17.16 | karsten | !tell bdizzle about paster |
| 07:17.40 | derek_ | nvz, DSP? |
| 07:17.45 | karsten | bdizzle: Paste output of dmesg, /var/log/kern.log, /var/log/messages, /var/log/debug. Last 100 lines of each (tail -100) |
| 07:17.48 | nvz | derek_: sure you can still buy the real thing, but most low-end and laptop systems the hardware is shipped as software |
| 07:17.49 | wols | derek_: digital signal processor |
| 07:17.55 | liable | dmesg will give you the unhelpfull info of fs type not recognised.. |
| 07:18.18 | karsten | liable: That would be a seperate message, like "unknown filesystem". |
| 07:18.19 | derek_ | ok |
| 07:18.36 | karsten | bdizzle: also: cat /proc/filesystems (all of it) and "lsmod" (all of it). |
| 07:18.36 | derek_ | nvz: http://derek.shorturl.com/M2512AU |
| 07:18.42 | liable | karsten: yes, even though it is, even though is somehow borked |
| 07:18.48 | karsten | liable: ? |
| 07:18.49 | bdizzle | lol thanks for the help guys, but i think the fact that i can barely keep my eyes open is the reason it isnt working |
| 07:18.57 | karsten | bdizzle: Your choice. |
| 07:19.03 | liable | karsten: nm, stop talking to me. |
| 07:19.08 | liable | :P |
| 07:19.19 | karsten | liable: Will you take roses instead? |
| 07:19.22 | bdizzle | karsten: i almost fell asleep reading about paster |
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| 07:19.29 | karsten | Nigromante: Question? |
| 07:19.31 | liable | karsten: and chocolate? |
| 07:19.34 | karsten | bdizzle: Sleep then. |
| 07:19.38 | Nigromante | no question |
| 07:19.44 | karsten | Nigromante: OK. |
| 07:19.49 | bdizzle | karsten: im about to, thanks guys. see yall later |
| 07:20.03 | derek_ | how can I save the output of dmesg in a file? |
| 07:20.13 | bdizzle | dmesg > filname |
| 07:20.16 | karsten | derek_: dmesg > file |
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| 07:20.18 | derek_ | cool |
| 07:20.19 | liable | derek_: it is a file, /var/log/dmesg |
| 07:20.21 | derek_ | :) |
| 07:20.26 | karsten | liable: No, only boot messages. |
| 07:20.27 | derek_ | liable: ah |
| 07:20.35 | liable | karsten: eh? |
| 07:20.36 | karsten | liable: dmesg is a FIFO buffer |
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| 07:20.44 | nvz | derek_: hah, yep thats it.. I had a Presario 906US it had some really nasty bugs in the BIOS.. one of which would assign the wrong i.o port ranges to the disk controller so that if you booted an OS that didnt fix this.. as soon as you'd try load support for something like USB, Sound.etc it would cause the disk controller to go offline and start chewing up your filesystem |
| 07:21.02 | nvz | derek_: after compiling about 500 kernels I finally worked around the problem |
| 07:21.04 | derek_ | no not just boot messages.. it shows the messages which are received like on plugging in a usb drive |
| 07:21.12 | karsten | liable: Its' about 17KB or so. |
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| 07:21.48 | karsten | derek_: /var/log/dmesg is a snapshot of a dynamic buffer, taken at boot time. |
| 07:22.01 | karsten | derek_: Information you're looking for won't be there. |
| 07:22.19 | nvz | derek_: whats likely happening on your system is similar but its in the APIC any time a new device tries to connect to an inturrupt its doing something wicked like trying to steal another devices inturrupt or claim an invalid inturrupt and the kernel is getting pissed |
| 07:22.54 | liable | hah |
| 07:23.06 | liable | nice explanation, i like it :) |
| 07:23.17 | nvz | its the kernels job to make sure all the hardware plays nice |
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| 07:23.50 | nvz | buggy hardware is like having a real brat that not only doesnt listen but likes to spit, kick and bite |
| 07:23.50 | derek_ | karsten: ok. sorry, I thought you meant dmesg is the info of boot up |
| 07:24.06 | Nigromante | Well, just 1 question: does anyone know why XChat puts a 4 in front of nickname when somebody quotes my nickname? |
| 07:24.30 | stojic | hello there, Debian Policy says that "all scripts in /etc/init.d should support start, stop, restart and force-reload options". However, alsa script doesn't accept the first three, it just prints out usage information. Is this against the policy? |
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| 07:24.52 | karsten | derek_: There are two different dmesg references. |
| 07:24.58 | Nigromante | it accepts it, but they do nothing |
| 07:25.03 | karsten | derek_: There's the command, 'dmesg', which accesses the current buffer. |
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| 07:25.11 | nvz | derek_: dmesg is device info from the kernel and it only holds so large of a buffer. the /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh creates a log of this information at boot time just before login so that important info doesnt get erased from the buffer and lost completly throughout the life of a system |
| 07:25.12 | karsten | derek_: There's /var/log/dmesg, which is a boot-time snapshot |
| 07:25.15 | stojic | Nigromante: it accepts it the same way it accepts asdfjkasdfh |
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| 07:25.26 | derek_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3976 |
| 07:25.33 | derek_ | that's my dmesg |
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| 07:25.46 | derek_ | karsten: clear! |
| 07:25.47 | karsten | stojic: start and stop. reload, restart, force-reload are optional, I think. |
| 07:25.48 | Nigromante | at least it prints usage info, I guess it's permited |
| 07:25.57 | nvz | derek_: partially incomplete.. dmesg log would be better |
| 07:26.14 | derek_ | lol.. this much isn't enough? |
| 07:26.25 | karsten | stojic: And it's a "should", not a "must" directive. 9.3.2. |
| 07:26.47 | stojic | ok then, just wanted some more info, thanks |
| 07:26.59 | karsten | stojic: The `start', `stop', `restart', and `force-reload' options should be supported by all scripts in `/etc/init.d', the `reload' option is optional. |
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| 07:27.06 | nvz | derek_: notice the APIC error comes up right after probing card services |
| 07:27.22 | stojic | karsten: yep, that's what I'm reading atm :) |
| 07:27.29 | karsten | stojic: install debian-policy and read to your heart's content ;-) |
| 07:27.42 | liable | when you need to sleep |
| 07:27.53 | karsten | stojic: policy () {less /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.txt.gz;} |
| 07:27.56 | nvz | derek_: I would either boot with noapic or try getting some fresh source and compiling a newer kernel |
| 07:27.58 | karsten | stojic: function in my ~/.bashrc |
| 07:28.30 | stojic | karsten: hehe, I see it's The Holy Book around here |
| 07:28.37 | karsten | stojic: One of several. |
| 07:28.40 | derek_ | nvz: yes |
| 07:28.43 | derek_ | after probe |
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| 07:29.11 | stojic | karsten: ok, One Of The Holy Books :) |
| 07:29.22 | karsten | Is there any good way of indexing kernel sources for quick reference? |
| 07:29.25 | liable | i was <----> this close to saying something silly then. |
| 07:29.47 | karsten | Say I want to find any ref to, um, dmesg? |
| 07:29.48 | nvz | derek_: yeah I've come to expect this from Presarios.. and basically laptops in general.. its a tough market and they sacrifice quality of hardware for competition.. its all masked by windows which runs like shit on any pc |
| 07:29.50 | karsten | liable: What stopped you? |
| 07:30.07 | liable | karsten: probably you telling me to go to OT :P |
| 07:30.16 | karsten | liable: Just this once, sweetie. |
| 07:30.35 | liable | karsten: alas, the moment is lost. |
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| 07:31.32 | karsten | I need a bigger HD. |
| 07:31.39 | derek_ | nvz: yes, they make it for windows.. although my model was supposed to come with some linux installed |
| 07:31.44 | wols | karsten: ht:dig? |
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| 07:32.25 | karsten | wols: ctags? |
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| 07:33.19 | wols | dmesg is not a "C language object" |
| 07:33.28 | wols | dmesg would mostly happen in text, comments and the like |
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| 07:34.12 | wols | if you looked for kprint, it would show I guess, but you get overwhelmed by hits.... |
| 07:34.40 | karsten | There's a dmesg.c under m68k arch |
| 07:34.53 | wols | just be a man and grep! |
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| 07:35.15 | karsten | wols: I *am*. |
| 07:35.28 | karsten | And there ought to be some definition of buffersize somewhere. |
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| 07:36.15 | wols | just because you can cry in your beer doesn't mean you're a man |
| 07:36.30 | karsten | Ah. 16384 bytes in 2.1.113 ++ |
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| 07:36.44 | karsten | dmesg(8) |
| 07:37.27 | wols | karsten: everything is saved in kern.log so why bother with dmesg? |
| 07:37.42 | karsten | wols: Is it? |
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| 07:38.23 | liable | !group hug |
| 07:38.35 | liable | stupid bot |
| 07:38.49 | liable | my penis is very large |
| 07:39.22 | karsten | Looks like ./kernel/printk.c |
| 07:39.37 | karsten | liable: Thanks for sharing. |
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| 07:39.55 | liable | karsten: np, one of those moods i guess.. :) |
| 07:40.19 | wols | liable: so you're that moron who answers all the penis enlargement spam? thanks for making spam protfitable |
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| 07:40.34 | liable | wols: but it works! |
| 07:40.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:40.58 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:40.59 | wols | yes spam works, thanks to you |
| 07:41.04 | liable | actually, i onlt got my first penis enlargement spam the other day |
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| 07:41.39 | liable | now that i have a large penis and ciallis, i am unstoppable! |
| 07:41.40 | wols | those spams are dying. netcraft confirms it |
| 07:41.49 | karsten | OK, lots of references to log_buf_len but were's it defined. |
| 07:41.59 | wols | I mostly get phishing attempts, pump'n'dump and "pharmacies" |
| 07:42.17 | tengulre | penis?? |
| 07:42.26 | wols | karsten: why do you want to increase that buffer? there is kern.log.0 |
| 07:42.28 | Guerin | i get underage donkey-rape porn adverts |
| 07:42.28 | tengulre | ;) |
| 07:42.34 | tengulre | M800-830-6262 |
| 07:42.46 | karsten | wols: I'm trying to figure out where it's defined. |
| 07:42.47 | wols | Guerin: we always knew you had "special" tastes |
| 07:42.52 | liable | join that with my rolex, which women find irresistable, and i am certain to take over the world |
| 07:42.57 | wols | karsten: why? |
| 07:42.59 | karsten | wols: Mostly just as an exercise in understanding krenel features. |
| 07:43.16 | tengulre | just finished F1 in japan, First is Alnoso. |
| 07:43.23 | liable | Guerin: they are NZ specific |
| 07:43.25 | Guerin | wols: nothing to do with MY tastes |
| 07:43.33 | wols | tengulre: we're geeks |
| 07:43.38 | Guerin | liable: dunno, never did bother to read one |
| 07:43.54 | wols | Guerin: so why do they send it to YOU and not to US, hm? |
| 07:44.05 | Guerin | wols: you'll keep. |
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| 07:44.36 | wols | personally I think it's a sheep farmer who got tired of the competition in that field |
| 07:44.47 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:44.49 | tengulre | anybody running multiprocessor on debian? |
| 07:44.58 | Guerin | !anyone use multiprocessor on debian? |
| 07:44.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses multiprocessor on debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:45.09 | liable | tengulre: and the real question is? |
| 07:45.13 | wols | tengulre: simply install a SMP kernel and be done |
| 07:45.32 | tengulre | Oh! yeah! |
| 07:45.55 | Guerin | how does one know if one's p4 is a hypethreader? |
| 07:45.56 | tarzeau | tengulre: yes. so? |
| 07:46.13 | tarzeau | Guerin: look in the bios? look into the computer? manual? |
| 07:46.20 | liable | Guerin: cpuinfo flags should say one would imagine |
| 07:46.27 | tarzeau | hwinfo or lshw can tell it too |
| 07:46.28 | wols | Guerin: I think there's a HT flag in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:46.30 | tarzeau | liable: it doesn't |
| 07:46.33 | tarzeau | liable: linux can not tell it |
| 07:46.42 | tengulre | Guerin: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep ht |
| 07:46.49 | liable | tarzeau: really? |
| 07:46.53 | tarzeau | ah ht flag yes, not for multiple cpus |
| 07:46.56 | tarzeau | liable: really yes |
| 07:47.06 | liable | tarzeau: then why is there a ht option for the kernel? |
| 07:47.07 | tarzeau | liable: with a non-smp kernel you can't find out using cpuinfo |
| 07:47.11 | wols | tarzeau: if it can use it via smp kernel it should be able to tell me about it |
| 07:47.17 | tarzeau | liable: the discussion was about SMP first |
| 07:47.32 | tarzeau | wols: if he has an SMP kernel certainly, not sure without |
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| 07:48.05 | derek_ | hm.. |
| 07:48.24 | derek_ | It is very difficult to install something without an internet connection on the debian system |
| 07:48.31 | derek_ | so many dependencies problems |
| 07:48.35 | tarzeau | derek_: true |
| 07:48.41 | tarzeau | derek_: so get internet or don't use debian |
| 07:48.54 | wols | derek_: apt-zip |
| 07:49.07 | wols | derek_: but it WILL be a pita compared to normal apt-get |
| 07:49.10 | derek_ | I was trying to install the stuff required to get connected to the internet on debian.. but the dependency tree is endless |
| 07:49.17 | liable | that might be a neat app to develop. something that will check for deps, and dowload everything for you. |
| 07:49.32 | damejiar | hello everybody |
| 07:49.47 | liable | derek_: what are you after thats so terrible? |
| 07:49.52 | damejiar | hey does anybody knows abour the problem of cdburning after installing etch? |
| 07:50.03 | derek_ | I was trying to install bluez utils.. but on a simple base install it is tough.. almost not possible.. every dependency has many other dependencies of its own |
| 07:50.21 | wols | derek_: I just told you how to do it |
| 07:50.27 | tarzeau | damejiar: no? |
| 07:50.35 | tarzeau | damejiar: which kernel? which optical device? which connector? which software? |
| 07:50.57 | derek_ | wols: I download some .deb files (and some dependencies) and tried to install using them.. but the dependency problem persists |
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| 07:51.07 | derek_ | wols: what is apt-zip and how does it work? |
| 07:51.10 | damejiar | tarzeau : kernel 2.6.17.2 |
| 07:51.14 | wols | derek_: read what I told you and stop whining |
| 07:51.29 | derek_ | !apt-zip |
| 07:51.30 | dpkg | somebody said apt-zip was Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 07:51.39 | cast | i think i'm going to switch to etch on my desktop :) |
| 07:51.47 | damejiar | tarzeau : the problem is that the device is a DVD/CD RW |
| 07:51.54 | derek_ | how large will the apt-zip be? |
| 07:51.57 | tarzeau | damejiar: which software? |
| 07:51.58 | damejiar | but I cannot write cd's |
| 07:52.05 | tarzeau | damejiar: which error msg? |
| 07:52.07 | tarzeau | damejiar: i can |
| 07:52.14 | damejiar | tarzeau : gnomebaker |
| 07:52.17 | wols | derek_: look at pdo |
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| 07:52.35 | tarzeau | damejiar: which error msg? |
| 07:52.36 | damejiar | tarzeau : I made the test with cdrecord scanbus |
| 07:52.36 | derek_ | pdo? |
| 07:52.41 | wols | derek_: it has no dependencies except apt itself |
| 07:52.45 | tarzeau | damejiar: and it said what? |
| 07:52.50 | wols | !tell derek_ about pdo |
| 07:52.51 | damejiar | tarzeau : wait for a second |
| 07:52.54 | tarzeau | damejiar: scsi or ide? with or without ide-scsi module? |
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| 07:53.22 | Guerin | hm, seems i have a ht processor |
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| 07:53.30 | Guerin | not that it makes a damn bit of difference to me |
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| 07:54.13 | damejiar | tarzeau : http://paste-bin.com/844 |
| 07:54.16 | stojic | "warning: executable mode 0755 of `config.guess' will not be represented in diff |
| 07:54.30 | derek_ | I don't get it .. you want me to zip all the necessary packages? |
| 07:54.34 | stojic | is this serious when building a package? |
| 07:54.48 | derek_ | If I could do that I would have downloaded all the 14-15 CDs |
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| 07:55.41 | liable | stojic: try #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 07:55.56 | stojic | liable: oftc? |
| 07:56.09 | liable | stojic: irc.debian.org |
| 07:56.19 | stojic | liable: ok, thanks |
| 07:56.37 | liable | np |
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| 07:56.51 | damejiar | tarzeau : it seems like scsi |
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| 08:02.49 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:02.49 | dpkg | 14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
| 08:03.55 | sprink_ | !qotd2 |
| 08:03.56 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 08:04.22 | derek_ | thanks all for the help. |
| 08:04.24 | derek_ | ciao |
| 08:04.37 | sprink_ | !qoty0 |
| 08:04.49 | karsten | sprink_: /msg the bots please. |
| 08:04.59 | karsten | sprink_: ... correctly, to boot. |
| 08:05.40 | sprink_ | karsten, I'm done. No need to flip out |
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| 08:11.01 | damejiar | tarzeau : did you find the problem? |
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| 08:12.57 | enouf | oh ...the calmness and solitude of acceptance .. |
| 08:13.07 | enouf | I am a syntactical idiot! |
| 08:13.26 | liable | yes |
| 08:13.27 | sYsT3m | whats the command to reconfigure apache2? i thought it was something like dpkg --reconfigure |
| 08:13.39 | enouf | and a scripting dumbass .. |
| 08:13.52 | enouf | and a walking bash nightmare |
| 08:14.22 | enouf | .enjoys the serene, calming feeling |
| 08:14.38 | liable | sYsT3m: dpkg-reconfigure apache2 |
| 08:15.13 | sYsT3m | ah ok, thx |
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| 08:16.27 | sYsT3m | hmm.. but i dont get back the install wizzard, i made a mistake by setting up the hostname for apache |
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| 08:19.41 | karsten | sYsT3m: You can also edit the conffiles directly. |
| 08:19.47 | karsten | sYsT3m: Might ask on #apache. |
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| 08:20.04 | sYsT3m | ok |
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| 08:28.02 | liable | well |
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| 08:33.50 | tarzeau | damejiar: i had a breakfast... |
| 08:34.11 | tarzeau | damejiar: can you not tell if it's really scsi or ide? |
| 08:34.17 | tarzeau | damejiar: open the computer and make a photo |
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| 08:35.13 | damejiar | tarzeau : wait me for a second |
| 08:35.56 | tarzeau | damejiar: the command is cdrecord -scanbus |
| 08:36.44 | tarzeau | damejiar: you can count the interface pins on the optical device |
| 08:36.52 | damejiar | damejiar : the problem is in another computer, I'm restarting it right now |
| 08:36.56 | tarzeau | damejiar: if it's 40 it's ide. if it's 50 or 68 it's scsi |
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| 08:38.34 | wols | tarzeau: wow you're *evil* |
| 08:38.45 | tarzeau | wols: huh? HE doesn't know what he has |
| 08:38.54 | damejiar | tarzeau : it has 64 |
| 08:39.00 | wols | dmesg would tell him (or you) |
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| 08:39.01 | tarzeau | damejiar: 64 what? |
| 08:39.10 | tarzeau | damejiar: 64bit CPU? |
| 08:39.16 | damejiar | tarzeau : pins |
| 08:39.24 | tarzeau | damejiar: can you make a photo? |
| 08:39.25 | wols | damejiar: unpossible |
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| 08:39.35 | wols | 40, 50 or 68, but not 64 |
| 08:39.45 | tarzeau | wols: no , dmesg wouldn't tell it for SURE |
| 08:39.58 | tarzeau | wols: if he has ide-scsi... it might show hdx as well as sdx |
| 08:40.21 | tarzeau | wols: i haven't seen optical devices with 68 pins |
| 08:40.25 | wols | tarzeau: it would. I didn't say anything about hdx or sdx. but it would show if the bruner is scsi or ide |
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| 08:40.39 | tarzeau | wols: with ATAPI? |
| 08:40.41 | wols | tarzeau: me neither, but anything is possible :) |
| 08:40.58 | wols | yes with atapi. |
| 08:41.01 | tarzeau | wols: i haven't seen a scsi optical device for years (in use) |
| 08:41.18 | tarzeau | wols: true, but counting is good brain training |
| 08:41.26 | wols | me neither. my last one was my first 4x burner |
| 08:41.40 | tarzeau | wols: i still have one in my ultra2 (a plextor 4x) |
| 08:41.50 | damejiar | tarzeau : http://paste-bin.com/845 |
| 08:41.53 | tarzeau | wols: well we had one in the theoretical physics but it got replaced a month or two ago |
| 08:42.12 | tarzeau | damejiar: can can you put dmesg online? |
| 08:42.20 | tarzeau | wait wait UBUNTU |
| 08:42.27 | tarzeau | 18. cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial version of libscg (debburn project-0.8ubuntu1+debburn1 '@(#)scsitransp.c 1.91 04/06/17 Copyright 1988,1995,2000-2004 J. Schilling'). |
| 08:42.30 | tarzeau | it says UBUNTU |
| 08:42.36 | tarzeau | damejiar: you have UBUNTU? |
| 08:42.46 | damejiar | tarzeau : I have debian etch |
| 08:42.52 | tarzeau | damejiar: but it says UBUNTU |
| 08:43.00 | streuner__ | tarzeau: that's old news... |
| 08:43.05 | damejiar | tarzeau : I had installed the netinstall cdrom |
| 08:43.10 | damejiar | from a mirror |
| 08:43.12 | tarzeau | damejiar: the UBUNTU one? |
| 08:43.15 | tarzeau | streuner__: what's old news? |
| 08:43.15 | streuner__ | no |
| 08:43.36 | streuner__ | tarzeau: the 'string' of ubuntu within cdrecord (debian)... |
| 08:43.51 | tarzeau | streuner__: really? i didn't know it before, so it's fresh news to me |
| 08:44.13 | streuner__ | nah, they changed it last year |
| 08:44.23 | liable | theres a couple of packages that have ubuntu mentioned |
| 08:44.26 | damejiar | tarzeau : http://paste-bin.com/846 |
| 08:44.27 | tarzeau | so he can also ask in #ubuntu ? |
| 08:44.31 | tarzeau | liable: which? |
| 08:44.42 | streuner__ | tarzeau: he's using debian |
| 08:44.44 | damejiar | tarzeau : I don't know why it says ubuntu |
| 08:44.55 | tarzeau | damejiar: no no, dmesg. not uname -a |
| 08:45.01 | damejiar | but I am using debian, the testing etch |
| 08:45.02 | liable | tarzeau: i cant remember exact names atm, but there is. so, nah nah :P |
| 08:45.16 | tarzeau | liable: nah nah :) that's so cheap |
| 08:45.17 | damejiar | tarzeau : this is to show that I'm using debian |
| 08:45.23 | tarzeau | damejiar: ok i believe you |
| 08:45.25 | liable | tarzeau: thats me :) |
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| 08:46.25 | damejiar | tarzeau : http://paste-bin.com/847 |
| 08:46.30 | damejiar | the dmesg |
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| 08:46.46 | tarzeau | damejiar: ok you have an IDE device |
| 08:46.48 | tarzeau | damejiar: 40 pins |
| 08:47.02 | tarzeau | damejiar: can you run lsmod | grep ide-scsi as root and tell us what it says? |
| 08:47.10 | damejiar | ok |
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| 08:47.40 | damejiar | tarzeau : it says nothing |
| 08:47.47 | tarzeau | damejiar: then run cdrecord -scanbus , cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus and cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus |
| 08:47.53 | tarzeau | damejiar: that's good |
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| 08:50.05 | damejiar | tarzeau : http://paste-bin.com/848 |
| 08:51.17 | tarzeau | damejiar: ok good, and you want to burn what? a 650mb cd iso image? a dvd? |
| 08:51.47 | tarzeau | damejiar: have you checked BTS for gnomebaker? try to use cdrecord directly, i tell you the command |
| 08:51.58 | damejiar | tarzeau : it is only cdrw, not dvdrw |
| 08:52.18 | tarzeau | damejiar: ok, it's a new cd-rw media? |
| 08:52.30 | tarzeau | damejiar: it's non-bootable iso image? |
| 08:52.52 | damejiar | tarzeau : I want to burn whatever kind of data |
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| 08:53.20 | tarzeau | damejiar: ok that's good, which cdrecord command will you use? do you know? |
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| 08:54.32 | nvz | Eulex: why do you do that here? |
| 08:55.07 | liable | what? |
| 08:55.14 | nvz | you always seem to type #DeBiAn here and not on OFTC |
| 08:55.22 | nvz | I have a hunch I just wonder |
| 08:55.23 | damejiar | tarzeau : #cdrecord -v -eject dev=/dev/hdc cdimage.iso |
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| 08:56.26 | tarzeau | damejiar: cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc -data the.iso yes do that |
| 08:57.13 | nvz | I didnt think anything of it before.. but now that I noticed he doesnt do it on OFTC I am thinking there is a specific reasoning behind it |
| 08:57.40 | nvz | I am thinking of doing it myself in light of this new discovery |
| 08:57.41 | damejiar | tarzeau : I will try |
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| 08:58.40 | liable | nvz: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 08:58.54 | nvz | liable: -!- Eulex [n=alex@h126n1fls34o998.telia.com] has joined #DeBiAn |
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| 08:59.20 | liable | nvz: hrm, i dont get that last bit in my client |
| 08:59.41 | Dmd | jelly-home : are you there |
| 08:59.42 | Dmd | ? |
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| 08:59.45 | liable | nvz: and what is your theory as to why he does it? |
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| 08:59.57 | damejiar | tarzeau : hey, it works |
| 09:00.05 | tarzeau | damejiar: hey cool |
| 09:00.07 | liable | nvz: oh, doh me, i do get that bit.. |
| 09:00.12 | nvz | liable: well I've noticed before its sort of hard to realize which #debian I am on at times. |
| 09:00.19 | nvz | liable: makes logs and everything confusing |
| 09:00.28 | Dmd | jelly : can you help me again |
| 09:00.30 | damejiar | tarzeau : but, if I want to burn some data, not an iso to a cd with cdrecord? |
| 09:00.44 | tarzeau | damejiar: like files? |
| 09:00.49 | tarzeau | damejiar: you will need mkisofs |
| 09:00.54 | damejiar | tarzeau : yes |
| 09:00.58 | liable | nvz: i must subconciously ignore that bit, its in brown and very unobtrusive in my irssi |
| 09:01.02 | tarzeau | damejiar: mkisofs -J -r -o the.iso /the/directory/ |
| 09:01.24 | ChaosR | hi, Debian has some serious bugs: TeamSpeak won't start, Skype is very buggy and shuts down all the time, too much to put in here |
| 09:01.29 | tarzeau | damejiar: it's possible to pipe the data (files) right into iso format then over to cdrecord... see the documentation |
| 09:01.40 | tarzeau | ChaosR: this is not a debian problem |
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| 09:01.50 | tarzeau | ChaosR: that's a TeamSpeak and Skype problem |
| 09:01.51 | ChaosR | This is a (almost) fresh etch Debian installation, running KDE |
| 09:02.05 | tarzeau | ChaosR: go buggerer the Skype and TeamSpeak people |
| 09:02.16 | damejiar | tarzeau : but if I want a multisession disc? |
| 09:02.21 | ChaosR | tarzeau: No, there is something wrong with Debian, because more programs are having trouble |
| 09:02.24 | cahoot | damejiar: straight from the wodim doc: mkisofs -v -r -J /directory/to/be/written | wodim -v - |
| 09:02.24 | tarzeau | damejiar: no idea, i never did that |
| 09:02.26 | liable | ChaosR: we cant help about skype being buggy |
| 09:02.41 | tarzeau | cahoot: no need to tell it the size? |
| 09:02.53 | damejiar | tarzeau : ok, thanks a lot |
| 09:02.54 | nvz | liable: I always pay attention to details. especially ones other people would consider insignificant. This girl I been hanging out with takes great care in details I think thats one of the reasons I like her. Paints different designs on her toe nails with a paintbrush all the time :P |
| 09:02.59 | tarzeau | ChaosR: no there is not something wrong with Debian |
| 09:03.02 | cahoot | tarzeau: I always use that |
| 09:03.03 | tarzeau | ChaosR: there is something wrong with YOU |
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| 09:03.10 | ChaosR | It is debian being buggy, it locked access to TeamSpeak |
| 09:03.17 | liable | nvz: ok.... :P |
| 09:03.23 | tarzeau | cahoot: i always do iso images, since my stuff get often used for others too (so i never burn just one iso) |
| 09:03.31 | ChaosR | tarzeau: ... |
| 09:03.35 | tarzeau | ChaosR: yea sure, and the sky falls on our heads |
| 09:03.51 | tarzeau | ChaosR: do you wear a tinfoil helmet? |
| 09:03.53 | ChaosR | tarzeau: Yes, everything is wrong except for debian? |
| 09:04.01 | liable | nvz: i normally notice details, but that join bit, i havent ever noticed, i blame you for bringing it to my attention |
| 09:04.08 | tarzeau | ChaosR: yes i have also a fresh install here, and everything works |
| 09:04.18 | tarzeau | ChaosR: i haven't tested KDE... but try #debian-kde |
| 09:04.18 | cahoot | ChanServ: see waht gives if you disable artsd |
| 09:04.22 | nvz | liable: heh.. the reason I mentioned it is because I sense its a good idea |
| 09:04.33 | cahoot | ChaosR: : see waht gives if you disable artsd |
| 09:04.37 | wols | ChaosR: just your install skills or your hardware is what's wrong |
| 09:04.44 | liable | nvz: i dont know how the hell you would do it anyway? |
| 09:04.46 | ChaosR | tarzeau: so i need to talk to: OO.o, TS, KDE, Skype, Kmess, FF |
| 09:04.48 | tarzeau | wols: could also be the power supply fan |
| 09:04.54 | tarzeau | ChaosR: yes exactly |
| 09:05.05 | ChaosR | tarzeau: and there is more |
| 09:05.07 | tarzeau | Kmess ? what a mess |
| 09:05.12 | nvz | liable: because I got two logfiles with the same name, two windows with the same name..etc and this seems to be a way to solve that |
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| 09:05.14 | tarzeau | ChaosR: yes and they are all a problem |
| 09:05.21 | tarzeau | ChaosR: especially the projects you named |
| 09:05.37 | nvz | liable: since IRC is not case sensitive with channel names |
| 09:05.42 | wols | ChaosR: is artsd running? |
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| 09:05.47 | liable | nvz: meh, logging this channel is like recording politics channels :P |
| 09:05.54 | nvz | liable: heh |
| 09:05.56 | ChaosR | wols: what is artsd ? |
| 09:06.07 | wols | ChaosR: is it running. yes or no? |
| 09:06.19 | ChaosR | wols: if i knew what is was, maybe |
| 09:06.24 | ChaosR | it* |
| 09:06.36 | nvz | liable: I am not currently logging but sometimes I wish I was. again I linger on details.. I observe things others would ignore |
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| 09:06.40 | wols | ChaosR: you don't need to know artsd to check. you need basic *nix knowledge of ps to know |
| 09:07.05 | tarzeau | ChaosR: what says ps -ef | grep artsd |
| 09:07.17 | ChaosR | wols: i'm an linux noob |
| 09:07.18 | tarzeau | wols: obvioulsy that's too much to expect |
| 09:07.21 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 09:07.22 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 09:07.45 | wols | ChaosR: that we already know. what we don't know is if when you don't have a clue, why you blame debian for your cluelessness |
| 09:08.07 | tarzeau | wols: you're a great speaker :) |
| 09:08.11 | wols | ChaosR: cause the people who built debian certainly know quite a bit more about linux (and debian) than you |
| 09:08.23 | liable | #debian is grumpy today |
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| 09:08.40 | wols | liable: I´m like this all days. |
| 09:08.45 | ChaosR | wols: because i had problems before, sarge won't run an xserver at all, only etch works on my computer |
| 09:08.51 | ChaosR | a* |
| 09:08.54 | tarzeau | liable: it's as usual, little bit more grumpy on weekends |
| 09:09.13 | tarzeau | ChaosR: which graphics card? |
| 09:09.14 | wols | ChaosR: this is something I don't believe either. it might only run via VESA, but it would run |
| 09:09.14 | liable | wols: your particularly grumpy today, and others seem likewise |
| 09:09.18 | liable | tarzeau: word |
| 09:09.21 | tarzeau | ChaosR: so how is this a problem of debian? |
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| 09:09.31 | tarzeau | ChaosR: i mean debian gives you publicly access to stable, testing and sid |
| 09:09.45 | tarzeau | ChaosR: and certainly one of them will work. but if you don't know how. that's certainly not debians' problem |
| 09:09.49 | wols | ChaosR: but you still haven't told us about artsd. and tarzeau gave you such a pretty commandline |
| 09:09.54 | tarzeau | since debian documents all its stuff more or less. publicly |
| 09:09.57 | ChaosR | tarzeau: i'm expecting someone here can help me with complete 'reinstalling' debian, without formatting |
| 09:10.05 | ChaosR | completely* |
| 09:10.08 | wols | ChaosR: I doubt anyone will |
| 09:10.10 | tarzeau | ChaosR: i'm expecting you to install windows xp again |
| 09:10.14 | tarzeau | ChaosR: or try #ubuntu |
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| 09:10.22 | liable | tarzeau: cause we are here and not on dates :) |
| 09:10.26 | ChaosR | /join #flood |
| 09:10.38 | ChaosR | I can't paste in here |
| 09:10.52 | tarzeau | liable: heh yeah right. but then my dates don't do irc |
| 09:11.28 | ChaosR | tarzeau: I'm happy I know how to install GRUB, so going back to winXP won't be a problem |
| 09:12.08 | ChaosR | tarzeau: must i paste all that showed up in here, which is forbidden??? |
| 09:12.09 | CAiRO | somebody should start a "linux care channel" where they don't tell you to go away and install windows XP and where they care for your problems even if they are not directly related to this specific distribution etc. |
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| 09:12.44 | tarzeau | CAiRO: if he can't tell if he runs artsd? |
| 09:12.44 | wols | CAiRO: good luck finding people helping |
| 09:12.58 | tarzeau | CAiRO: but go ahead, try #babysitters |
| 09:12.59 | wols | CAiRO: not even after he was given the full commandline to check? |
| 09:13.05 | ChaosR | chaosr 1948 1923 0 10:55 ? 00:00:01 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f |
| 09:13.05 | ChaosR | chaosr 1992 1948 0 10:55 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f |
| 09:13.05 | ChaosR | chaosr 2655 1992 0 11:07 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f |
| 09:13.05 | ChaosR | chaosr 2661 2657 0 11:08 pts/1 00:00:00 grep artsd |
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| 09:13.07 | tarzeau | we'll route them over |
| 09:13.07 | CAiRO | see, that's what i mean :) |
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| 09:13.14 | ChaosR | see? |
| 09:13.17 | CAiRO | excuses all over the place and silly comments :) |
| 09:13.20 | ChaosR | told ya, tarzeau |
| 09:13.25 | tarzeau | ChaosR: that means it's running |
| 09:13.30 | tarzeau | ChaosR: you just should have said yes or no |
| 09:13.34 | tarzeau | ChaosR: not the output of the command |
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| 09:13.37 | J4cK3Ro | CiaO A TuTTi |
| 09:13.38 | ChaosR | tarzeau: how can i know what that means |
| 09:13.38 | tarzeau | ChaosR: or add a | head -1 |
| 09:13.50 | tarzeau | ChaosR: the point is you were given a question |
| 09:14.01 | tarzeau | ChaosR: and you don't need to know what it means, we know it |
| 09:14.11 | tarzeau | !mixed caps |
| 09:14.21 | wols | ChaosR: you're supposed to knew a bit about linux when you run it. just like with windows. and you can even describe stuff. like "I see several /usr/bin/artsd" lines |
| 09:14.34 | ChaosR | tarzeau: I told you to come to #flood |
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| 09:14.41 | tarzeau | ChaosR: for what? |
| 09:14.48 | ChaosR | tarzeau: for the results |
| 09:14.54 | tarzeau | ChaosR: i didn't want to know the results nor if you run artsd |
| 09:15.15 | tarzeau | ChaosR: i'm interested in unix like systems |
| 09:15.21 | tarzeau | ChaosR: not in systems that try to act like windows |
| 09:15.52 | wols | tarzeau: he won't understand that. always tailor your speech to the recipient :) |
| 09:16.06 | tarzeau | wols: i could start speaking french :) |
| 09:16.20 | wols | this is not ma3x you talk to |
| 09:16.29 | tarzeau | wols: what more impresses me how he managed to get here and not to the OFFICIAL #debian |
| 09:16.41 | Dmd | can someone help me again i have done dpkg-reconfigure exim4 what to do next |
| 09:16.42 | Dmd | ? |
| 09:16.48 | ChaosR | tarzeau: I want to stop using winXP, because of all the random bugs, but Debian (or any other linux version) seems no better. The only thing that is better than winXP, you can stop programs, you don't need to press the reset button |
| 09:17.14 | tarzeau | ChaosR: try apple mac then |
| 09:17.18 | ChaosR | tarzeau: even if it's not linux' fault, it still has bugs |
| 09:17.21 | tarzeau | ChaosR: but please don't buggerer people in here |
| 09:17.29 | tarzeau | ChaosR: nobody claims it has no bugs |
| 09:17.32 | tarzeau | ChaosR: look at BTS |
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| 09:17.43 | tarzeau | it's there for a reason, and read www.debian.org/doc |
| 09:18.00 | wols | ChaosR: for your sound problem. look for ways to remove/replace artsd |
| 09:18.07 | tarzeau | just because windows have manuals that nobody reads (since they are crap) |
| 09:18.18 | tarzeau | doesn't mean the manuals that debian ship are crap also |
| 09:18.21 | Dmd | wols : can you help me further with configuring exim4 |
| 09:18.23 | tarzeau | (they aren't) |
| 09:18.25 | ChaosR | wols: the sound is not the problem, it is that TeamSpeak got locked by Debian |
| 09:18.35 | wols | tarzeau: windows has no manuals. OEM machines don't come with them. they have help files and a few wizards, that's it |
| 09:18.44 | tarzeau | ChaosR: well, seems like nobody is using TeamSpeak here... |
| 09:18.47 | wols | Dmd: no |
| 09:18.55 | tarzeau | wols: aha |
| 09:19.02 | ChaosR | wols: Debian LOCKED it |
| 09:19.11 | ChaosR | tarzeau: * |
| 09:19.23 | wols | ChaosR: define "LOCKED" |
| 09:19.30 | tarzeau | !badgerdebian |
| 09:19.34 | tarzeau | !badger |
| 09:19.34 | dpkg | badger is probably bar baz quuz thump |
| 09:19.37 | tarzeau | !badgerknoppix |
| 09:19.38 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 09:19.52 | wols | does teamspeak come with locks? and keys? cool app then |
| 09:19.58 | tarzeau | wols: i should get working on some bugs and packages |
| 09:20.20 | tarzeau | ChaosR: debian locked it how? |
| 09:20.21 | ChaosR | teamspeak is already running, redirecting startupinfo. If teamspeak is not running, delete the file "/tmp/.lock_teamspeakclient" |
| 09:20.28 | wols | tarzeau: why do you tell me that? and aren't you the lazy one who doesn't want to beocme a maintainer? |
| 09:20.29 | tarzeau | ChaosR: you mean teamspeak crashed your system? |
| 09:20.32 | roxy_ | The syslog man page talk about facility. What is a facility in this context exactly ? Why can I add local5 as a facility and not MySuperFoo ? |
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| 09:21.17 | ChaosR | now, TeamSpeak is not running |
| 09:21.17 | tarzeau | wols: i'm lazy? no i'm not. i'm not a maintainer? i'm so for many years |
| 09:21.17 | wols | tarzeau: didn't know. so what do you maintain? |
| 09:21.17 | wols | tarzeau: maybe I can badger you about some bugs :) |
| 09:21.17 | tarzeau | wols: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 09:21.24 | tarzeau | wols: you mean abrotman, he's the lazy guy who doesn't maintain ANYTHING |
| 09:21.26 | ChaosR | any NICE persons in here that want to help me |
| 09:21.37 | tarzeau | ChaosR: are you saying i'm not NICE? |
| 09:21.46 | tarzeau | wols: he said you are not nice!!! |
| 09:21.59 | ChaosR | tarzeau: yes, you tarzeau |
| 09:22.14 | tarzeau | !cluebat ChaosR |
| 09:22.57 | Eulex | nvz, for people like you to notice :) I actually do join #DeBiAn on OFTC too, but that server automatically turns it into lower case |
| 09:23.01 | wols | ChaosR: if you don't accept the help you're given, it will be hard to get any other help. I told you what you should do above. You also don't answer my diagnosing questions at all. You simply ignore them |
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| 09:23.13 | wols | and you tell others they're "not nice"? |
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| 09:23.23 | ChaosR | wols: what questions? |
| 09:23.28 | nvz | Eulex: ah, well then you didnt have the practical reason I figured |
| 09:23.37 | wols | 11:19 < wols> ChaosR: define "LOCKED" |
| 09:23.41 | wols | for starters |
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| 09:23.43 | ChaosR | i did!!! |
| 09:23.53 | nvz | Eulex: but thanks for giving me something to notice ;) I enjoy that sort of thing |
| 09:24.08 | wols | the tmp/lock thing? if you KNOW teamspeak is not running: delete the file |
| 09:24.10 | ChaosR | <ChaosR> teamspeak is already running, redirecting startupinfo. If teamspeak is not running, delete the file "/tmp/.lock_teamspeakclient" |
| 09:24.13 | wols | then run teamspeak again |
| 09:24.17 | Eulex | nvz, :) |
| 09:24.18 | nvz | Eulex: it doesnt take much to get my attention. it just takes something different |
| 09:24.25 | ChaosR | it is not runnig |
| 09:24.31 | wols | it CLEARLY says so in that error message. so why are you unable to follow that advice? |
| 09:24.34 | ChaosR | and there is no lock file, as fare as i can tell |
| 09:24.37 | wols | do you need hand holding for it? |
| 09:24.41 | ChaosR | far* |
| 09:24.47 | wols | ChaosR: how did you look? |
| 09:24.56 | wols | ls -al /tmp/.lock* |
| 09:25.09 | ChaosR | i tried dir, and rm |
| 09:25.12 | ChaosR | neither worked |
| 09:25.16 | tarzeau | FF/TB write lockfiles in $HOME |
| 09:25.21 | tarzeau | !dir |
| 09:25.21 | dpkg | wrong OS, foo |
| 09:25.34 | wols | ChaosR: I gave you the command to look with. not some silly "dir" |
| 09:25.38 | tarzeau | dpkg dir is also CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 09:25.38 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 09:26.00 | Eulex | nah |
| 09:26.11 | Eulex | MYDOCU~1 for some coherency! |
| 09:26.47 | roxy_ | is it possible to create logging facitlies for syslog other than localN ? |
| 09:26.51 | wols | ChaosR: so is there such a file? yes or no? |
| 09:26.52 | ChaosR | wols: it is locked |
| 09:26.58 | SpComb | !dir |
| 09:26.58 | dpkg | wrong OS, foo. CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 09:27.10 | ChaosR | wols: there is a file |
| 09:27.17 | liable | i dont get that factoid |
| 09:27.36 | SpComb | it's brilliant :) |
| 09:27.36 | wols | ChaosR: and who owns it, what's the perms? |
| 09:27.42 | ChaosR | --w------- |
| 09:27.50 | enouf | liable: yeah ...some are files == not folders |
| 09:27.52 | ChaosR | owned by chaosr |
| 09:28.02 | wols | then you should be able to delete it |
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| 09:28.06 | ChaosR | --w------- 1 chaosr chaosr 0 2006-10-08 11:26 /tmp/.lock_teamspeakclient |
| 09:28.10 | wols | what do you time to delete it? |
| 09:28.14 | wols | *type |
| 09:28.15 | ChaosR | i did delete it |
| 09:28.28 | ChaosR | but it reappears |
| 09:28.37 | liable | enouf: i still dont get it :/ |
| 09:28.40 | wols | then teamspeak is running, no matter what you said to us |
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| 09:28.41 | ChaosR | why? |
| 09:28.44 | wols | so check if it's running |
| 09:28.44 | enouf | liable: actually that should be the !folder factoid |
| 09:28.58 | ChaosR | how? |
| 09:29.00 | wols | and then stop it |
| 09:29.04 | wols | man ps |
| 09:29.12 | wols | and to stop it: man killall |
| 09:29.22 | liable | or pkill |
| 09:29.31 | wols | liable: man pkill |
| 09:29.55 | enouf | likes pkill |
| 09:30.01 | wols | liable: either he learns something soon or we'll lose him to XP again. what a shame that would be |
| 09:30.29 | enouf | ptree is nice too |
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| 09:30.58 | enouf | !folder |
| 09:30.58 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 09:31.04 | Herdy | hi all! With etch version of debian can I use my SATA II Drive ? |
| 09:31.29 | liable | Herdy: matters not, the debian version, but the kernel version |
| 09:31.55 | Herdy | liable and with the sysinstall of etch version I can or not ? |
| 09:32.06 | nvz | not to mention there is only one version of etch |
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| 09:32.28 | nvz | a never mind I seen something that wasnt there |
| 09:32.40 | liable | Herdy: um, it depends on your sata chipset, and whether the kernel has support for that chipset |
| 09:32.54 | Herdy | liable it's a diamondmax 10 |
| 09:33.15 | Herdy | how can I know the kernel version of the sysinstall of the lastest etch version ? |
| 09:33.17 | liable | Herdy: great, so google that chipset and kernel 2.6.16 |
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| 09:33.45 | wols | Herdy: there is no "Official" etch debian installer yet. it's 2.6.17 tho afaik |
| 09:33.47 | liable | Herdy: or whatever kernel that your etch installer has (its changed lately) |
| 09:33.52 | enouf | nvz : headphones |
| 09:34.04 | Herdy | ok |
| 09:34.10 | nvz | enouf: I could put headphones on but thats not going to change the way the guitar sounds |
| 09:34.14 | enouf | Herdy: /msg dpkg sata |
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| 09:34.31 | EvanCarroll | What handels the shebang line the kernel or the shell? |
| 09:34.35 | enouf | nvz: what - you don't have a line output |
| 09:34.37 | wols | Herdy: what sata controller do you have? |
| 09:34.45 | nvz | enouf: acoustic guitar |
| 09:35.00 | enouf | nvz: hehe ... nevermind |
| 09:35.04 | liable | nvz: so give your neighbours headphones :P |
| 09:35.07 | nvz | if its not too cold out I may go down to the river |
| 09:35.15 | Herdy | wols i have a dimondmax 10 |
| 09:35.28 | wols | Herdy: your diamondmax 10 is not a controller... |
| 09:35.35 | enouf | nvz: it's cold out :-) |
| 09:35.38 | wols | and it doesn't matter that it's sata II either |
| 09:35.43 | nvz | I havent made up anything of my own on the guitar in a long time.. feel like writing a song |
| 09:35.43 | Herdy | wols: sorry what is the controller so ? |
| 09:35.45 | enouf | nvz: but gio anyway |
| 09:35.48 | enouf | go* even |
| 09:35.53 | wols | Herdy: the pretty chip on the mobo |
| 09:36.03 | Herdy | Herdy intel i975x ? |
| 09:36.10 | Herdy | wols intel i975x ? |
| 09:36.13 | enouf | Herdy: thanks for telling uys your Maxtor hdd version |
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| 09:36.30 | tarzeau | i can't get this one to work. anyone else can? 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 30) |
| 09:36.32 | wols | Herdy: yes that's the chipset the controller is in |
| 09:36.47 | tarzeau | 00:11.5 0401: 1106:3059 (rev 30) |
| 09:36.48 | wols | Herdy: should be ICH8 which is supported, with some caveats |
| 09:36.50 | roxy_ | tarzeau: what is a *.app file ? |
| 09:36.52 | enouf | tarzeau: shouldn't be hard |
| 09:36.57 | wols | roxy_: gnustep madness |
| 09:36.59 | tarzeau | roxy_: a directory? |
| 09:37.17 | Herdy | ok wols so I seek that on google ? |
| 09:37.18 | tarzeau | roxy_: a bundle, an application bundle that you can open(1) or openapp(1) |
| 09:37.19 | wols | tarzeau: i810 no workie? |
| 09:37.28 | Braindead | tarzeau: I've got a rev 60 here |
| 09:37.31 | wols | !tell Herdy about sata |
| 09:37.36 | tarzeau | wols: it's not gnustep madness, it's of 1989 by NeXT introduced with the excellent product NeXTSTEP |
| 09:37.49 | Braindead | tarzeau: snd_via82xx should do the job,maybe |
| 09:38.01 | ChaosR | wols: TeamSpeak is unlocked an shutdown |
| 09:38.03 | wols | tarzeau: gnustep didn't need to copy it, so it's gnustepp madness |
| 09:38.08 | enouf | tarzeau: modprobe snd-via82xx |
| 09:38.10 | ChaosR | wols: now |
| 09:38.12 | wols | tarzeau: if I want extensions, I run windows |
| 09:38.16 | tarzeau | Braindead: i have it loaded and it says error opening mixer still |
| 09:38.16 | enouf | late again |
| 09:38.18 | Herdy | wols: or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 09:38.22 | wols | ChaosR: now you can run it |
| 09:38.25 | enouf | !win Braindead |
| 09:38.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, Braindead! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 09:38.26 | tarzeau | wols: you didn't get it |
| 09:38.48 | Herdy | wols: with the netinst of etch i have a 2.6 kernel |
| 09:38.48 | tarzeau | wols: it's not a file, it's a directory |
| 09:38.48 | enouf | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 09:38.48 | tarzeau | wols: and inside there there's the binary with the extension |
| 09:38.48 | tarzeau | wols: the design is bigger than you can see right now |
| 09:38.52 | wols | tarzeau: I like directories with extensions even less |
| 09:38.53 | tarzeau | wols: it supports fat binaries |
| 09:38.58 | tarzeau | wols: then don't install it |
| 09:39.09 | tarzeau | wols: i don't like broken user interfaces with broken file selectors either |
| 09:39.12 | tarzeau | wols: i just don't install it |
| 09:39.12 | Herdy | wols: or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work so wols with the netinst of etch I have a 2.6 kernel isnt it ? |
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| 09:39.24 | wols | again: windows. tho they prefer stupid spaces and ahve a shell that can't use them properly |
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| 09:39.35 | tarzeau | wols: we don't have spaces |
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| 09:39.48 | ChaosR | wols: no, i still can't |
| 09:39.50 | tarzeau | wols: but gnustep is multiplatform, as in it can run/compile on mac os x and windows too |
| 09:39.51 | wols | Herdy: yes you have a 2.6.16 or later kernel with etch |
| 09:39.58 | ChaosR | wols: ok this is a teamspeak problem |
| 09:40.01 | roxy_ | tarzeau: a lot of dead link in link you gave .(with your .app package I still don't understand what it is :-) |
| 09:40.08 | tarzeau | wols: so really i don't see why you're against files or directories named like that |
| 09:40.16 | tarzeau | roxy_: which package? |
| 09:40.24 | wols | ChaosR: why? then ask teamspeak. it's closed source, not in debian and we can't help you there |
| 09:40.26 | Herdy | wols so with my ICH7 |
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| 09:40.37 | Herdy | wols so with my ICH7 controller I can install it no ? |
| 09:40.45 | wols | Herdy: afaik i975 has ICH8 |
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| 09:40.49 | roxy_ | tarzeau: under pending upload , owned wnpp, the pts and pool link |
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| 09:40.53 | ChaosR | wols: weird, it "worked" |
| 09:41.03 | Herdy | wols: no :) i975x it's ICH7 |
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| 09:41.13 | wols | Herdy: you can, but there might be truble with the CDROM a bit since you don't have a full PATA controller anymore. |
| 09:41.13 | ChaosR | wols: days ago, but still, it worked |
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| 09:41.23 | wols | !tell Herdy about sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 09:41.29 | wols | Herdy: read the FAQ on there |
| 09:41.37 | tarzeau | roxy_: you mean adun.app ? |
| 09:41.44 | ChaosR | wols: not really worked, it started, but it didn't connect to any server, even if it was running |
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| 09:41.53 | wols | ChaosR: then the question is: what did you change? |
| 09:41.58 | roxy_ | tarzeau: all the package in this section and the next |
| 09:42.08 | Herdy | ok wols |
| 09:42.16 | tarzeau | roxy_: well they are applications based on the gnustep libraries |
| 09:42.16 | ChaosR | wols: the only thing ' big' thing i did was installing OO.o |
| 09:42.26 | wols | tarzeau: is there a compiled version of gnustep for windows somewhere? |
| 09:42.36 | tarzeau | roxy_: because some debian people thought "terminal" is a too generic name, it had to be renamed to "terminal.app" |
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| 09:42.43 | tarzeau | wols: yes of course |
| 09:42.56 | roxy_ | tarzeau: all the link are dead |
| 09:43.05 | ChaosR | wols: and I have used msn, irc and FF |
| 09:43.13 | tarzeau | roxy_: which links? packages.debian.org/gorm.app ? |
| 09:43.17 | wols | tarzeau: linky? wanna compare it to litestep. a bastard *Step three ways removed from nextstep |
| 09:43.30 | tarzeau | wols: you really don't get it |
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| 09:43.42 | tarzeau | wols: lightstep has ZERO to do with NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/GNUstep |
| 09:43.49 | tarzeau | wols: it's just a filemanager for windows that looks similar |
| 09:43.50 | roxy_ | all the pts and pool link under the pending upload section and the next |
| 09:43.53 | wols | tarzeau: there is no lightstep |
| 09:44.01 | tarzeau | i meant litestep |
| 09:44.12 | tarzeau | roxy_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/edenmath.app.html works |
| 09:44.19 | wols | tarzeau: hey! it's got a "wharf" (sorta) |
| 09:44.21 | tarzeau | roxy_: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/edenmath.app/ works as well |
| 09:44.23 | wols | and I still want to compare |
| 09:44.28 | ChaosR | wols: this is why I 'hate' linux, I don't understand it |
| 09:44.41 | tarzeau | wols: really gnustep on debian, freebsd and mac os x is something you can try and compare |
| 09:44.52 | tarzeau | wols: the windows thing is for developers. you can't just try it as a user |
| 09:44.55 | wols | ChaosR: but unlike windows you have an actual chance to understand if it you want to |
| 09:44.55 | Herdy | wols: I just want to use my P5W DH Deluxe, my Core 2 Duo and my SATA II hard drive with my i975x / ich7 chipset, So I can't have a stable version isnt it ? I must download a ETCH version ? |
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| 09:45.22 | wols | Herdy: you can't. the sarge 2.6.16 factoid should allow it just fine |
| 09:45.50 | Herdy | wols: what is factoid ? |
| 09:45.59 | wols | Herdy: what dpkg messages you |
| 09:46.17 | Herdy | hmm ok but wols i want a official version of debian |
| 09:46.19 | roxy_ | tarzeau: I don't see edenmath in this page: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 09:46.22 | wols | go to kmuto.jp as it said and download a sarge netinstaller with kernel 2.6.16 |
| 09:46.47 | roxy_ | tarzeau: I've seen it, I am talking about the next section |
| 09:47.04 | wols | Herdy: then buy different hardware or wait a few months when etch becomes stable. cause there is NO "official" version for your hardware, period |
| 09:47.05 | roxy_ | tarzeau: Pending Upload (5) |
| 09:47.26 | Herdy | wols: etch is official |
| 09:47.27 | roxy_ | tarzeau: starting from adun.app |
| 09:47.38 | wols | Herdy: there is NO official release of etch, period |
| 09:47.43 | wols | Herdy: no matter what you say |
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| 09:48.22 | Herdy | ok wols but with ETCH I can turn on my ICH7 and I975X and SATA II and core 2 duo isn't it ? |
| 09:48.56 | xingu | cute acpi bug of the day; this notebook's LID button has autorepeat. |
| 09:49.06 | wols | Herdy: why are you asking the same things 15 times over after you already got an answer? |
| 09:49.31 | Herdy | wols I didn't have a real answer I just want a yes or no |
| 09:51.02 | wols | if my answers are not real, then ask someone who gives answers you deem real. |
| 09:51.06 | Herdy | ok |
| 09:51.11 | wols | hope you find one |
| 09:51.17 | Tallu | and if you already know which answers are real, why bother asking? |
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| 09:52.48 | wols | Tallu: what I don't get is why one buys hardware for > 1 kilo$ without making sure the software intended to run on it works beforehand |
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| 09:53.30 | wols | or an ati videocard of all things when one wants to run only Free software... a really big, fast and expensive one too |
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| 09:55.11 | liable | laptop? |
| 09:55.29 | wols | liable: an asus P5W something is a desktop mobo |
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| 09:55.59 | wols | sata II harddisks are 3.5", at least maxtor diamondmax 10 is |
| 09:56.08 | liable | wols: ah, i couldnt be assed lastlogging, but the last screen gave me that impression. my apoligies |
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| 09:56.09 | wols | would be a very unwieldly laptop |
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| 09:56.58 | wols | liable: and I hear moans everywhere of people who want to run linux who need nvidia notebooks. seems the cheap ones or whatever are all ati if they have a GPU at all :) |
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| 09:57.26 | liable | wols: my expensive one has ati :( |
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| 09:58.32 | wols | ati on desktop is bad enough, but on notebooks it's the pits with the ati driver policy |
| 09:59.09 | liable | but i have xgl running, so its not all bad :) |
| 09:59.10 | xingu | wols: uniwill p53i[an] is priced at about the 1k mark and has either ati or nv on mxm. :) |
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| 10:00.02 | xingu | and no you can't have mine |
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| 10:00.55 | wols | I'm currently debating if I should really replace that 10Mbit network card with a 100MBit realtek one :) |
| 10:01.11 | xingu | hey, I made my last system last six years |
| 10:02.02 | wols | liable: a fast ethernet card would be appreciated a tad bit more :) |
| 10:02.21 | liable | wols: a pidgeon is the best i can do :) |
| 10:02.34 | liable | or an african swallow |
| 10:02.49 | wols | if I can sell it for ~10EUR: send it :) |
| 10:02.52 | wols | 11:19 < wols> ChaosR: define "LOCKED" |
| 10:02.59 | wols | oops. damn mousepaste |
| 10:04.07 | xingu | does it have to be realtek? there's plenty of less obnoxious, decommed boards out there |
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| 10:05.33 | wols | at the lowest priceclass new, realtek have been the most reliable ones here |
| 10:05.39 | wols | no hassle whatever OS |
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| 10:06.16 | wols | and prices for ebay shipping would probably exceed the value of the card so where would one get used cards? |
| 10:06.32 | wols | or what other brand would you recommend? |
| 10:06.40 | xingu | from the kerbside on collection day? |
| 10:06.58 | wols | we're a eco natin. there is no such thing here |
| 10:07.16 | wols | old electronics are recycled specially, not curbside |
| 10:07.22 | xingu | basically anything that has a real tx ring, napi support under linux, hw vlan tagging/ detagging, and a decent mac filter |
| 10:07.31 | wols | should be the same in UK |
| 10:07.38 | xingu | "should" != "is" |
| 10:08.00 | wols | well, you are in the EU, right? I always forget... |
| 10:08.14 | xingu | heh, we were paying for most of it at one point |
| 10:08.28 | wols | sorry to say but that's BS :) |
| 10:08.42 | wols | and you're freeloading for decades by now |
| 10:08.53 | xingu | yes, maggie was a supurb negotiator |
| 10:08.57 | wols | but that's another rant for another day |
| 10:10.25 | liable | its a bear maket |
| 10:10.32 | liable | or is it bull |
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| 10:10.41 | liable | cow? |
| 10:10.43 | liable | !moo |
| 10:10.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 10:11.12 | wols | for nvz it's an extremely bullish market in the short term I guess |
| 10:12.04 | laza | Hi! Somebody knows a command line tool, which renders a web page directly into an image and can be used in a batch file? |
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| 10:16.43 | karsten | laza: Close. "html2ps" |
| 10:16.58 | karsten | laza: I believe you can then take a PS and convert to image files. |
| 10:17.18 | karsten | laza: Rendering is a tad iffy though, I doubt it's CSS-supported. |
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| 10:18.11 | karsten | laza: pstopnm will get you a true graphics format, pnm can be converted to jpg, png, etc. |
| 10:18.44 | karsten | laza: I'm now asleep, last played with this years ago, experiment. |
| 10:19.05 | keith | Morning all, alright karsten |
| 10:19.11 | laza | karsten: thanks for the pointer. I will look into it. |
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| 10:21.40 | g00se | Can some kind soul please remind me of the easier way (Esc key too far away ;-)) of getting back into command mode in vi? |
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| 10:22.26 | tarzeau | roxy_: yes they make links, but it's still in new queue |
| 10:22.34 | tarzeau | roxy_: it is not available in debian yet |
| 10:22.42 | xingu | wols: anyway, if you can score one, one of the nicer engines is the vortex (3c509c or later) |
| 10:22.44 | tarzeau | !DNQ |
| 10:23.04 | xingu | wojci: scatter/gather, tcp checksum offload, ~sane mac filter, and reasonable linux driver |
| 10:23.14 | tarzeau | dpkg dnq is http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 10:23.15 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 10:23.41 | xingu | whoops s/wojci/wols/ how rude |
| 10:23.43 | tarzeau | roxy_: you can contact ftpmaster@debian.org about the debian new queue |
| 10:24.06 | tarzeau | roxy_: or ask the maintainers if they can provide you the packages |
| 10:24.37 | xingu | w/509/905/ too |
| 10:24.48 | aredhel | g00se, Remap the "windows key" to be esc? |
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| 10:25.00 | wols | the naming of 3com is just simply fucking aswful |
| 10:25.14 | xingu | [x] completely agree |
| 10:25.33 | g00se | aredhel: thanks, but there's already (AFAICR) a key combo |
| 10:25.55 | xingu | wols: as with anything, the more you move away from simple irq-context bit banging the more gnarly failure modes you introduce |
| 10:26.11 | xingu | wols: for instance if your card is lying about cksum-correctness and you're trusting it. |
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| 10:27.27 | roxy_ | xingu: how can I create a new facility for syslog ? (using foo instead of local? ) |
| 10:27.35 | liable | g00se: hrm, if you find out, let me know |
| 10:27.39 | xingu | roxy_: you don't. |
| 10:28.04 | roxy_ | xingu: :-( |
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| 10:28.41 | g00se | liable: will do |
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| 10:29.31 | roxy_ | is there a man page that list all the $@ , $? $1 ... used in shell script ? |
| 10:31.56 | norton | roxy_: usually the manual for your shell |
| 10:32.52 | liable | roxy_: nafaik, check tldp for bash tutes, but even those dont really cover it (in an easy to read example of those commonds) . try #bash and see if they have a tutorial on hand |
| 10:33.55 | liable | well, not so much commands, but vars or whatever.. |
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| 10:35.01 | roxy_ | manman bash is pretty good. :-) |
| 10:36.36 | g00se | liable: It's Ctrl-C ;-) |
| 10:36.48 | liable | g00se: ah |
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| 10:37.13 | liable | g00se: and that doesnt forfeit changes made? |
| 10:37.35 | g00se | No AFIAK. Shall just try it again |
| 10:38.34 | g00se | liable: No it's fine |
| 10:38.48 | liable | g00se: sweet |
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| 10:39.48 | g00se | liable: Yep - i can give my fingers a rest now |
| 10:40.02 | liable | g00se: you lazy bastard :) |
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| 10:40.17 | g00se | LOL |
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| 10:43.54 | g00se | liable: Certainly lazy in the Larry Wall sense: http://www.paulagordon.com/shows/wall/ |
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| 11:05.13 | xingu | ... *perhaps* a conflicts: wouldn't go amiss |
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| 11:06.02 | Makenai | Anyone know about bluetooth in debian etch? I installed bluez-firmware, but it unpacks into /usr/lib/firmware instead of /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware - anyone know why? |
| 11:06.43 | Makenai | I should mention that my bluetooth dongle didn't work until I copied the firmware files from the former location to the latter |
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| 11:08.53 | Anarka | my bt dongle(some piece of... cof cof) worked out of the box |
| 11:08.58 | Anarka | no need for firmware |
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| 11:16.00 | Makenai | Anarka: Odd.. not sure why, I guess it's just the bcm203(or something?) series that needs to firmware.. but odd that it doesn't go in the right place. I was completely stuck until I came across some ubuntu forum post about copying it there |
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| 11:16.39 | Anarka | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) |
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| 11:17.42 | tejinder | which version is appropriate for my home machine? |
| 11:17.44 | Anarka | but yeah... the firmware package is for the one you have |
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| 11:20.03 | tejinder | there is no security for unstable version? |
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| 11:21.15 | Anarka | tejinder nope |
| 11:21.17 | kleinerfreak | Hallo |
| 11:21.27 | Anarka | tejinder only stable and testing |
| 11:21.44 | tejinder | Anarka: ok, how can i upgrade from testing to unstable? |
| 11:22.20 | Anarka | add the unstable source to sources.list and aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 11:22.39 | tejinder | change the etch to sid? |
| 11:22.43 | tejinder | in sources.list? |
| 11:23.08 | Anarka | copy & paste the etch line and change the copy to unstable |
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| 11:25.37 | tejinder | ok thanks |
| 11:26.14 | Anarka | tejinder be sure you have apt-listbugs installed before |
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| 11:27.23 | tejinder | E: Couldn't find package apt-listbugs |
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| 11:28.44 | Anarka | ehehe neat doesnt exists on etch :P |
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| 11:29.37 | nvz | !+info apt-listbugs etch |
| 11:29.38 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:29.44 | dpkg | Package 'apt-listbugs' does not exist. |
| 11:29.47 | nvz | O.O |
| 11:29.52 | esters | sweet |
| 11:30.25 | nvz | ah something changed it seems |
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| 11:30.52 | nvz | seems there is a popbugs program in debian-goodies that uses popcon data |
| 11:31.03 | nvz | !info debian-goodies etch |
| 11:31.05 | dpkg | debian-goodies: (Small toolbox-style utilities for Debian systems), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.24 (etch), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
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| 11:31.50 | Anarka | but listbugs exists on sid |
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| 11:32.09 | Anarka | last update was yesterday ;) |
| 11:32.16 | nvz | I am all for apt-listbugs |
| 11:32.24 | HNT | Hello everybody, can you give me the name of a package which containe C documenation (man pages), about function like strlen, fgets... |
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| 11:32.42 | nvz | I dont know if popbugs even has the same functionality |
| 11:34.05 | nvz | requires popcon to work for one thing |
| 11:34.43 | nvz | nope doesnt seem to work with the package manager either |
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| 11:35.56 | jetscreamer | kde gnome still broke? |
| 11:36.06 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 11:36.17 | blondie | what? |
| 11:36.35 | blondie | is that some sick cross between kde and gnome? |
| 11:36.50 | jetscreamer | they're both broke in sid |
| 11:37.01 | jetscreamer | orwere |
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| 11:39.13 | nvz | hmm saved me the time of having to answer that question |
| 11:39.34 | nvz | you gotta love when people are in a HURRY! |
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| 11:40.57 | nightfly | hi all |
| 11:42.18 | nightfly | i try to load the zd1211 module |
| 11:42.46 | nightfly | but console returns this error: |
| 11:42.50 | nightfly | !paste |
| 11:42.50 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 11:43.48 | nightfly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:47.09 | derek_ | Hi |
| 11:47.11 | fsancho | hi all |
| 11:47.15 | derek_ | Does anyone use bluetooth? |
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| 11:47.53 | fsancho | anybody knows why zd1211 driver writes a lot of messages in syslog when it loads for first time? |
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| 11:48.11 | fsancho | i see a lot of this when zd1211 is loaded for first time |
| 11:48.15 | fsancho | zd1211: cmd = 8dff, reg = 0x8b820c8b, value = 0x508b0845 |
| 11:48.15 | fsancho | zd_dbg_ioctl: error command = 8dff |
| 11:48.48 | nightfly | bah |
| 11:48.51 | fsancho | but if i remove and reload it with modprobe the driver stops writing messages |
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| 11:49.18 | nightfly | fsancho, i can't load zd1211 module |
| 11:49.30 | nightfly | so i haven't got any idea |
| 11:49.43 | nightfly | to solve this problem |
| 11:49.47 | fsancho | nightfly: because it doesn't ships with kernel, you have to compile from zd1211-source |
| 11:49.54 | derek_ | on doing hcitool scan , it shows my phone. And I am also able to ping it. But there's no entry of rfcomm in /dev |
| 11:50.04 | derek_ | Anybody any idea? |
| 11:50.46 | nightfly | fsancho, I compiled zd1211-source with m-a and then installed the zd1211 module |
| 11:50.54 | fsancho | derek_: you have to bind it to your phone with "rfcom bind 0 <mac>" |
| 11:51.09 | fsancho | nightfly: but, hav you a zd1211 device? |
| 11:51.15 | nightfly | sore |
| 11:51.18 | nightfly | sure |
| 11:51.22 | fsancho | ok |
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| 11:51.38 | fsancho | i get a lot of messages in syslog the first time i load the driver |
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| 11:52.19 | nightfly | so i must type apt-get remove zd1211-source |
| 11:52.26 | nightfly | ands zd-1211 module? |
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| 11:52.37 | fsancho | maybe two per minute. The device works ok, but it's disturbing |
| 11:52.50 | esters | is there a tool that can convert from pdf to doc or any other word document |
| 11:52.59 | derek_ | fsancho: I see. Why "0"? |
| 11:53.04 | fsancho | nightfly: you may use module-assistant to build and install the driver |
| 11:53.20 | fsancho | derek_: 0 is for rfcomm0 |
| 11:53.25 | nightfly | fsancho, yap i use that |
| 11:53.32 | derek_ | fsancho: k, got it. |
| 11:54.04 | derek_ | fsancho: the <mac> of the phone or the dongle plugged in the computer? |
| 11:54.18 | fsancho | derek_: the mac of the phone |
| 11:55.03 | syntaxx | if your on desktop machine and you have 40gig of hd space with a web server email server file server and database with other needed files for your desktop machine do you think 10gig is enough for / and the rest is /home? |
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| 11:55.48 | nvz | dongle sounds like some name for dogshit before it hits the ground |
| 11:56.01 | nvz | I'm not liking that word |
| 11:56.35 | derek_ | fsancho: I think I did the bind thing. I made an rfcomm.conf (/etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf) which has the bind info |
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| 11:56.50 | nvz | syntaxx: depends on how much web/email data you are storing and if you are putting it in /home or not |
| 11:56.56 | derek_ | fsancho: but I'm not sure if it is getting executed. I did restart bluez utils |
| 11:57.07 | nvz | abrotman: howdy |
| 11:57.16 | abrotman | hi |
| 11:57.28 | nvz | not yet, but I'm working on it ;) |
| 11:57.40 | fsancho | derek_: wich program are you using? |
| 11:58.02 | fsancho | derek_: or all you want is use your phone as a modem? |
| 11:58.09 | fsancho | *to use |
| 11:58.38 | derek_ | fsancho: yes, as a modem. |
| 11:59.31 | syntaxx | nvz, in your opinion if you have 40gig hd for your desktop pc with those servers how do you make your partition? |
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| 12:00.37 | abrotman | you could use lvm |
| 12:01.02 | nvz | syntaxx: I'd just put it all on / minus some swap I guess. |
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| 12:03.51 | syntaxx | nvz, ok thanks but is there a software that backups your /home directories just incase you get into trouble that you need to reformat? |
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| 12:04.32 | nvz | syntaxx: I hate trying to partition little ammounts of space especially when considering server usage. In a perfect world I would use a bigger hd, and yes I would separate /home and /srv and use /srv for web and whatnot and put /srv on LVM for future expansion |
| 12:04.48 | abrotman | lvm |
| 12:04.52 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 12:04.52 | dpkg | methinks lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
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| 12:05.30 | syntaxx | ok thanks a lot |
| 12:06.32 | nvz | I should probably learn to use LVM I used it at one point but stopped cause It was too damn complicated to figure out the logistics of actually modifying the setup |
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| 12:06.59 | nvz | resizing filesystems and logical volumes and groups and all this.. |
| 12:07.54 | nvz | I got a 160GB drive I am not using for anything I could back up to and put lvm back on my 120GB |
| 12:08.28 | derek_ | fsancho: if I just do 'rfcomm' and it gives some info, that means the device is already bound? |
| 12:08.50 | fsancho | derek_: yes, and you can see now /etc/rfcomm0 |
| 12:09.21 | derek_ | but it should be /dev/rfcomm0? |
| 12:10.01 | abrotman | nvz: have you been here all night ? |
| 12:10.10 | nvz | abrotman: sort of |
| 12:10.15 | abrotman | ok |
| 12:10.29 | nvz | abrotman: I went to bed around 8:30, and woke up a little before 1 |
| 12:10.39 | abrotman | oh |
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| 12:10.46 | nvz | abrotman: pisses me off.. I was trying to get myself back on a daylight schedule |
| 12:11.06 | nvz | abrotman: but I still have some time.. shouldnt be starting this next job until mon or tues |
| 12:11.11 | abrotman | well .. keep yourself up til 10pm tonight |
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| 12:11.33 | nvz | yeah, on 3 hours sleep.. I see that happening |
| 12:12.06 | nvz | the longer I sit here the more I feel like going back to McDonalds for the 2nd time this morning.. they are serving breakfast now :P |
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| 12:12.14 | demio | is anyone here familiar with directadmin? |
| 12:12.52 | abrotman | nvz: wussy .. i do it all the time :) |
| 12:12.54 | derek_ | fsancho: on doing rfcomm I get this: # rfcomm |
| 12:12.54 | derek_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.19 | derek_ | fsancho: but it does not create /dev/rfcomm0 :( |
| 12:13.21 | nvz | abrotman: what stay up 19 hours on 3 hours sleep? |
| 12:13.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:13.47 | abrotman | i just did it last sunday :) |
| 12:14.07 | fsancho | derek_: try with "rfcomm bind /etc/rfcomm0 <phone-mac> |
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| 12:16.20 | derek_ | fsancho: ok I'll try it. (Right now I can't do it because the device is connected here through I'm connected to the internet.) |
| 12:16.32 | derek_ | through ^which |
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| 12:17.31 | cyzie | what are the essential pakages i needed to install to play most of the movies ? |
| 12:18.07 | sudharsh | cyzie: w32codecs, and one of the many players |
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| 12:18.44 | cyzie | thanks sudharsh |
| 12:19.30 | abrotman | w32 isn't in debian |
| 12:19.34 | abrotman | he can try libdvdread |
| 12:19.35 | sudharsh | cyzie: welcome..:) try doing an apt-get install w32codecs and see whether you have the repos..afaik may be illegal downloading codecs |
| 12:19.44 | abrotman | since he didn't say what type of movie |
| 12:19.52 | sudharsh | abrotman: ack |
| 12:20.01 | cyzie | thanks abrotman |
| 12:20.03 | abrotman | !w32codec |
| 12:20.05 | abrotman | !w32codecss |
| 12:20.07 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 12:20.07 | dpkg | i guess w32codecs is a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular (but proprietary) multimedia formats, such as AVI, realmedia, and windows media. Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these formats in debian. |
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| 12:20.32 | cyzie | used to have vlc when i was with sarget (testing), after etch become testing, no more vlc in the repo |
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| 12:20.45 | blondie | !why isn't vlc in testing |
| 12:20.50 | blondie | hm |
| 12:20.53 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 12:20.53 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 12:20.58 | sudharsh | cyzie: maybe add the repos... |
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| 12:21.18 | esters | use mplayer :>>> |
| 12:21.19 | cyzie | ok, checking . thansk guys |
| 12:21.26 | cyzie | mpalyer always crash boom bang :( |
| 12:21.41 | esters | not for me |
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| 12:21.45 | abrotman | oh no .. not boom bang! |
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| 12:25.57 | sudharsh | any idea when python 2.5 will be up in the repos..running sid now |
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| 12:27.47 | abrotman | i thought it was there now |
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| 12:28.47 | abrotman | it's in etch also |
| 12:28.50 | abrotman | !info python2.5 |
| 12:28.58 | dpkg | python2.5: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 3346 kB, Installed size: 11864 kB |
| 12:29.00 | Daveman | morning abrotman :) |
| 12:29.11 | abrotman | morninig |
| 12:30.23 | derek_ | why is .dpkg-new added to all the bluez files after I installed it? |
| 12:30.44 | abrotman | conffile changes maybe ? |
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| 12:33.07 | derek_ | all the .conf files (related to bluez) also have .dpkg-new at the end |
| 12:33.12 | derek_ | (in the filename) |
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| 12:33.37 | abrotman | when it installed .. it asked you to overwrite the ones in in place already .. |
| 12:33.41 | abrotman | you chose no .. |
| 12:34.40 | derek_ | hm |
| 12:34.47 | derek_ | don't remember of any such prompt |
| 12:34.53 | abrotman | ok |
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| 12:35.12 | elias_ | If I have my grub in MBR and the boot dir on my ROOT (root1) partition, but I have another ROOT (root2) with its on boot dir, can I make grub MBR start a grub instance written to root2? |
| 12:35.42 | dvs | elias_: yes |
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| 12:35.54 | elias_ | ok, how? |
| 12:35.58 | abrotman | elias_: there's an option to choose the conf file |
| 12:36.19 | dvs | elias_: make "root=" to root2 when you create the entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:36.53 | elias_ | so this is the best method if I have several linux OSes installed on one machine and don't want to share a boot partition? |
| 12:37.31 | dvs | elias_: well, you are already sharing the boot partition this way but that's the way I would do it. |
| 12:37.51 | abrotman | i vote the conffile way! |
| 12:38.04 | elias_ | but would root= start my bootloader written to sector 0 of partition root2 or just search for the kernel files there? |
| 12:38.36 | colde | which pakage is nessesary for using alsaconfig? |
| 12:38.36 | dvs | abrotman: this is not a democracy! ;-) |
| 12:38.50 | abrotman | it's alsaconf |
| 12:38.54 | abrotman | !tell colde about search |
| 12:39.05 | elias_ | I want each OS to maintain it's own menu.lst and just link from the primary boot loader to the others. |
| 12:39.15 | dvs | elias_: it will try and use the bootloader in sector 0. |
| 12:39.21 | colde | ok |
| 12:39.27 | abrotman | lalal .. conffile! |
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| 12:40.22 | elias_ | I don't know where the bootloader physically is but I mean you can write one to MBR and one to the partition. |
| 12:40.41 | dvs | elias_: yes |
| 12:40.43 | elias_ | I want to make the MBR one start the one on the partition. |
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| 12:42.13 | elias_ | To make it more transparent. Imagine the debian grub in MBR and the SuSE on part3. I just one an entry in debian menu.lst which starts the SuSE loader and therefore presents it's menu.lst. |
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| 12:45.23 | abrotman | grub can load other menu.lst files |
| 12:45.25 | kintaro0e | hello everyone..how to install specific version of a package..like evolution 2.4.2.1..so do like: apt-get install evolution=2.4.2.1 |
| 12:45.28 | kintaro0e | ? |
| 12:45.31 | kintaro0e | is this right? |
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| 12:49.43 | ptee | hi, is there any tool to read "doc" which install from package-doc instead of browse the text file in that subdirectories? |
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| 12:53.17 | simonrvn | kintaro0e: use the version in output of apt-cache show foo |
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| 12:55.20 | roxy_ | how can I know which nameserver am I using ? |
| 12:55.23 | amonbish | you tell me |
| 12:55.39 | dvs | rox: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:55.41 | simonrvn | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:55.44 | beardy | roxy_: Look in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:55.54 | roxy_ | thanks, thanks, thanks :-) |
| 12:55.56 | beardy | roxy_: Also run dig something.com |
| 12:56.13 | beardy | roxy_: Should use your default one then. |
| 12:56.53 | kintaro0e | hey simonrvn, i've seen the version that i want of the package..so how will i install it? |
| 12:56.58 | roxy_ | beardy: in /etc/resolv.conf I only got my linksys router, 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:57.10 | kintaro0e | simonrvn: so do like: apt-get install evolution=2.4.2.1 |
| 12:57.16 | simonrvn | like you had, but you need the full version |
| 12:57.21 | beardy | roxy_: Ok, it forwards your DNS queries then. |
| 12:57.41 | beardy | roxy_: Probably, or even has it's own dns server. |
| 12:57.50 | simonrvn | e.g. 2.6.3-2 |
| 12:58.08 | kintaro0e | simonrvn: ah i see |
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| 12:58.12 | kintaro0e | let me check on it |
| 12:58.47 | beardy | roxy_: 'dig google.com' WHat does the third line from the bottom say? SERVER and so on? |
| 12:59.17 | roxy_ | beardy: connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 12:59.42 | abrotman | you can't reach your own router ? |
| 12:59.52 | kintaro0e | hey simonrvn, it says E: broken packages..and a lot of dependency's |
| 13:00.01 | beardy | roxy_: Oh.. so you're having trouble with resolving? NOt only curious about what you are using as resolver? |
| 13:00.02 | kintaro0e | so can i fix this? |
| 13:00.02 | roxy_ | abrotman: I can reach my router, I am trying to reach a nameserver |
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| 13:00.16 | abrotman | roxy_: what's the error ? |
| 13:00.18 | roxy_ | beardy: I am no problem at all resolving |
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| 13:00.36 | roxy_ | abrotman: I am trying to know what nameserver I am using |
| 13:00.48 | abrotman | you're using your router |
| 13:00.51 | beardy | roxy_: Look in your routers configuration. |
| 13:02.09 | roxy_ | beardy: I found my nameserver, thanks |
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| 13:02.56 | roxy_ | beardy: so I can assume that my router does at least caching for dns ? |
| 13:03.40 | abrotman | probably .. ask your router manufactuer |
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| 13:04.11 | wols | not really debian related: what's the "br0" interface on a wrt54G? internal or external? |
| 13:04.22 | abrotman | bridge |
| 13:04.31 | wols | internal or external interface? |
| 13:04.44 | abrotman | i'd guess it depends on the config .. :) |
| 13:04.45 | outlaw84 | did php5 inside apache2 stop working for everyone else too or just me? in the latest dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:04.51 | abrotman | only on sid |
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| 13:04.59 | psycose | hi |
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| 13:05.07 | outlaw84 | abrotman: was that to me? |
| 13:05.10 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:05.21 | valdyn | outlaw84: new apache doesnt even use compatible configuration |
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| 13:05.38 | outlaw84 | valdyn: when is it expected to be fixed? |
| 13:05.40 | abrotman | outlaw84: i'm sure there are numerous BTS entries |
| 13:05.48 | abrotman | you should probably start by reading those |
| 13:05.48 | valdyn | outlaw84: that is not a bug |
| 13:05.59 | jetscreamer | so is there a fix for the borkedness of gnome in both sid and etch, or would that be --purge |
| 13:06.19 | jetscreamer | or is that what ya'll are 'discussing' |
| 13:06.33 | valdyn | jetscreamer: gnome is broken in sid or etch? |
| 13:06.37 | valdyn | jetscreamer: works fine here |
| 13:06.39 | abrotman | works fine in etch for me |
| 13:06.42 | jetscreamer | both, afaict |
| 13:06.53 | jetscreamer | it 'works' in etch, but try to apply a thieme |
| 13:06.58 | abrotman | stupid people from texas screw up everything ... |
| 13:07.01 | outlaw84 | valdyn: yea I am gething the feeling that this is a problem that accured witht the new version of apache but, when will I be able to render php-pages with the new apache? |
| 13:07.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i have a theme .. works fine |
| 13:07.23 | valdyn | jetscreamer: you have to recompile the gtk-themes package or wait for the debian repositories to have a new gtk-themes package |
| 13:07.25 | abrotman | outlaw84: when a new php5 goes in i'd guess |
| 13:07.27 | jetscreamer | some themes seem towork,somedont |
| 13:07.38 | jetscreamer | maybe it's xorg... |
| 13:07.52 | valdyn | jetscreamer: themes that are in the upstream soure of gtk2 do work, 'extra' themes do not |
| 13:07.59 | valdyn | jetscreamer: nothing to do with xorg |
| 13:08.08 | abrotman | the themes in etch seem to work just fine |
| 13:08.08 | jetscreamer | the gnome-settings daemon stays running after i close X |
| 13:08.09 | outlaw84 | abrotman: that doesn't sound like something that will happen in the nearest days :( |
| 13:08.20 | abrotman | outlaw84: uhm ... not sure .. |
| 13:08.30 | psycose | Hi i got problem trying to install debian sarge 3.1r2/3 sparc (using cdrom) on a sun blade 150. After configuring the keyboard layout, the installer says it can't mount the cdrom .... i've foudn several problem like this on the web.... Thing is i can't use other ways of install.. so may be using a 2.6 kernel would solve my problem ... any tips ? thanks |
| 13:08.31 | jetscreamer | and a couple others |
| 13:08.35 | valdyn | abrotman: right, i dont think etch already got the new gtk2, but i dont know |
| 13:08.39 | jetscreamer | i even still see my mouse in console |
| 13:08.47 | jetscreamer | can't move it but i see the cursor |
| 13:08.57 | abrotman | outlaw84: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libapache2-mod-php5;dist=unstable |
| 13:09.04 | abrotman | valdyn: i don't think it's going to either |
| 13:09.05 | jetscreamer | it would be kinda hard to mess up a CLEAN INSTALL |
| 13:09.14 | jetscreamer | well at least at first |
| 13:09.27 | jetscreamer | so no, it's not something i did |
| 13:09.30 | valdyn | abrotman: it might, just like for sarge, i suppose |
| 13:09.42 | valdyn | abrotman: where gnome got upgraded long after freeze |
| 13:09.56 | abrotman | valdyn: it'd be nice .. to see 2.16 go with etch i mean |
| 13:10.17 | enouf | psycose: just a guess .. can you then switch to Alt-F2 and load the appropriate cdrom/ide module? and continue then? |
| 13:10.50 | valdyn | !info libgtk2.0-0 etch |
| 13:10.54 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.8.20-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1582 kB, Installed size: 4076 kB |
| 13:11.01 | abrotman | i meant gnome 2.16 |
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| 13:11.06 | abrotman | not gtk 2.10 |
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| 13:11.14 | enouf | psycose: but 2.6 certainly is worth a try as well .. |
| 13:11.14 | jetscreamer | psychonate: i find that using the 'detect cdrom' menu entry in the installer sometimes lets it 'find' the cdrom |
| 13:11.14 | abrotman | well .. they'd both have to go i guess |
| 13:11.15 | valdyn | abrotman: aye |
| 13:11.24 | valdyn | abrotman: no, dont have to |
| 13:11.28 | enouf | ~love kernel |
| 13:11.32 | apt | If you love kernel so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 13:11.32 | psycose | enouf, 1- funny thig is i try Alt-F2 but i it don't work (using sun kerboard) 2- i don't know what modules it want ...) |
| 13:11.38 | Charminthemoose | how can i tell if i have opengl installed and where can i get the development files for it? |
| 13:11.41 | abrotman | valdyn: i thought gnome2.16 depended on gtk2.10 |
| 13:11.45 | enouf | psycose: ahhh .. sun keybpard too |
| 13:11.54 | psycose | enouf, 3- ubuntu-server for sparc install without error with a 2.6 kernel .... |
| 13:11.56 | enouf | keyboard even |
| 13:12.09 | abrotman | psycose: tried an etch installer ? |
| 13:12.31 | jetscreamer | maybe i should regress to woody or potato |
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| 13:12.37 | abrotman | probably |
| 13:12.41 | enouf | I recall seeing a certain boot parameter to pass to the kerenl for odder keyboards .. dunnon offhand though |
| 13:12.44 | jetscreamer | or aapt-get remove xorg* |
| 13:13.01 | jetscreamer | it tells you when you hit F2 or F3 i believe |
| 13:13.11 | jetscreamer | about the kb's |
| 13:13.28 | jetscreamer | not sure though |
| 13:14.07 | jetscreamer | kde fuxored the kdelibs-blah again in sid too btw |
| 13:14.40 | valdyn | abrotman: nope it doesnt, as far as i can see |
| 13:15.00 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
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| 13:16.32 | psycose | enouf, no not yet i plan to try it on monday ... thing is The package i want to install is gnat or gnat-4.0 it is present for debian testing on this arch , but now i am wondering about sparc32 or sparc64 ... |
| 13:16.37 | blondie | does SATA hotswap work nicely with linux? o.O |
| 13:16.41 | valdyn | !wayttd Charminthemoose |
| 13:16.41 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Charminthemoose? |
| 13:17.36 | blondie | he's trying to charm a moose, duh |
| 13:17.37 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search opengl |grep dev ? |
| 13:17.57 | dvs | blondie: or trying to squeeze it. ;-) |
| 13:17.57 | jetscreamer | or he's trying to wipe a moose's ass with his charmin toilet paper... |
| 13:18.08 | abrotman | psycose: sparc64 |
| 13:18.34 | blondie | hehe |
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| 13:20.23 | jetscreamer | ah. when i crank up the gnome theme manager, only clearlooks is displayed... the rest have the 'not loaded' ? on em... and they are installed. just fyi. |
| 13:20.31 | fasta | There's software for running Mac applications from the year 2000 on Linux, right? |
| 13:20.38 | valdyn | blondie: not really, but Jeff Garzik documented this nicely, see google. |
| 13:20.41 | fasta | There's not, even |
| 13:20.45 | psycose | abrotman, the debian-installer errata for etch is talking about a problem on cdrom install with sparc32 how can i know that i will not be in this situation ? |
| 13:21.23 | abrotman | you can ask #debian-boot on oftc.net |
| 13:21.23 | blondie | oftc smells |
| 13:21.23 | abrotman | fasta: huh ? MOL |
| 13:21.24 | blondie | !oftvc |
| 13:21.24 | blondie | !oftc |
| 13:21.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
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| 13:21.25 | jetscreamer | die oftc die |
| 13:21.40 | abrotman | fasta: DO NOT DO THAT |
| 13:21.50 | fasta | abrotman: I did that by accident |
| 13:21.51 | abrotman | !mol |
| 13:21.52 | dpkg | somebody said mol was Mac On Linux, a sort of VMWare for PowerPCs or at ftp://ftp.nada.kth.se/pub/home/f95-sry/Public/mac-on-linux/, or finally packaged for debian |
| 13:22.02 | fasta | abrotman: I wanted to msg dpkg |
| 13:22.07 | cast | hmm. i just did a normal cd install of etch, and now i have sound...am i using OSS or ALSA? |
| 13:22.08 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:22.13 | abrotman | i look like dpkg .. but with more hair |
| 13:22.22 | blondie | huh, what did he do? |
| 13:22.24 | abrotman | cast: probably alsa |
| 13:22.29 | abrotman | blondie: msg'ed me |
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| 13:22.31 | valdyn | cast: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 13:22.36 | blondie | abrotman: ohnoes :o |
| 13:22.48 | abrotman | oh .. ti was ugly .. |
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| 13:22.54 | cast | valdyn: ahh, not installed |
| 13:22.55 | Charminthemoose | incredibly stupid question:would it be possible to completely break your system via apt using only stable in your sources.list? |
| 13:23.04 | Klavier | how can i reconfigure x settings? isnt there anyscript lilke xf86config i cant find .. i installed debian 3.1 |
| 13:23.16 | jetscreamer | !drxx Klavier |
| 13:23.17 | dpkg | Klavier: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:23.17 | Klavier | : ^ (( <-- |
| 13:23.17 | dvs | !drxx Klavier |
| 13:23.18 | jetscreamer | if it works |
| 13:23.22 | dvs | arch! |
| 13:23.29 | valdyn | cast: morely coincidence then on which driver got loaded by your udev |
| 13:23.34 | jetscreamer | hey it worked with a clean install for me |
| 13:23.45 | jetscreamer | for a change |
| 13:23.45 | Klavier | how can i see reconfigure list jetscreamer .. which settings can i reconfigure again* |
| 13:23.47 | Klavier | ? |
| 13:24.11 | jetscreamer | there is no list afaik |
| 13:24.12 | valdyn | cast: linux-sound-base will do a clean selection between oss / alsa |
| 13:24.28 | enouf | psycose: sorry not familiar at all with sun hardware and whatever their issues - and maybe it was in an X config I saw choices for dif odd keyboards - getting old and senile :-p .. but sparc stuff here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/ |
| 13:24.48 | Charminthemoose | incredibly stupid question:would it be possible to completely break your system via apt using only stable in your sources.list? |
| 13:24.53 | cast | hmm. done. though playing a song results in a wad of ALSA lib no such device errors before it starts playing, i suppose i have to install alsa-conf? |
| 13:25.05 | enouf | Charminthemoose: sure .. I've done it :-p |
| 13:25.07 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: yes |
| 13:25.08 | jetscreamer | Charminthemoose: usually no |
| 13:25.26 | fasta | abrotman: I wanted Mac On Linux on x86, is that possible too? |
| 13:25.27 | cahoot | cast: alsaconf |
| 13:25.32 | dvs | cast: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 13:25.35 | Charminthemoose | mind if i ask um,how? |
| 13:25.37 | Charminthemoose | :) |
| 13:25.39 | abrotman | fasta: no .. you want an PPC emulator for x86 |
| 13:25.41 | valdyn | cast: nah not really |
| 13:25.56 | jetscreamer | install wrong kernel maybe |
| 13:25.56 | enouf | Charminthemoose: but it was the monkey at the keyboard |
| 13:26.05 | valdyn | cast: linux-sound-base should grab all required packages and chose between oss and alsa |
| 13:26.28 | cast | well, running alsaconf got rid of the errors |
| 13:26.40 | fasta | abrotman: ok, can you recommend one? |
| 13:26.42 | enouf | Charminthemoose: for me .. I was dual booting and started fsking a mounted partition, for one, .. from then on .. fugghedaboutit |
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| 13:26.50 | abrotman | fasta: http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/about.html |
| 13:27.00 | cast | i think all is well now :) hopefully when i reboot it continues using the right soundcard |
| 13:27.05 | psycose | enouf, thanks for your help ... i'l will try to know more about sparc32 and sparc64 thanks |
| 13:27.07 | abrotman | !info pearpc etch |
| 13:27.10 | valdyn | cast: it just does what would be done anyway upon reboot + some probably useless stuff |
| 13:27.14 | dpkg | pearpc: (PowerPC architecture emulator), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.4.0-3 (etch), Packaged size: 371 kB, Installed size: 920 kB |
| 13:27.15 | abrotman | fasta: ^^ |
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| 13:27.18 | enouf | psycose: no prob ;-) |
| 13:27.24 | cahoot | cast: might need point out which one should be default |
| 13:27.48 | valdyn | cast: if you didnt have udev installed, or at least discover, _then_ alsaconf could be important |
| 13:28.00 | abrotman | fasta: or qemu |
| 13:28.09 | fasta | abrotman: so do I need Mac On Linux _and_ this emulator then. That's at least what I think. |
| 13:28.31 | valdyn | fasta: why do you want mac on linux anyway? its going to be slow as molasses |
| 13:28.34 | abrotman | fasta: you'd have to read the docs .. i've never messed with ppc emulation .. i've got a PPC sitting in the closet :) |
| 13:28.54 | cahoot | valdyn: isn't alsaconf responsible for adding the startup script i e running alsactl store/restore and setting volumelevels? |
| 13:28.58 | jetscreamer | i saw a mac once |
| 13:29.03 | valdyn | cahoot: nah |
| 13:29.04 | fasta | valdyn: The application is Mac only |
| 13:29.08 | dvs | abrotman: Why not make it handy, like using it like a paperweight? ;-) |
| 13:29.16 | jetscreamer | doorstop |
| 13:29.27 | abrotman | dvs: it's a macmini :) |
| 13:29.33 | dvs | abrotman: coaster |
| 13:29.36 | valdyn | cahoot: alsa adds stuff to /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 13:29.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:29.42 | valdyn | cahoot: alsaconf adds stuff to /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 13:30.08 | valdyn | cahoot: a few aliases so modules can be loaded upon anything accessing alsa |
| 13:30.16 | valdyn | cahoot: but hw detection would load those modules anyway |
| 13:31.38 | valdyn | fasta: which application? |
| 13:32.22 | valdyn | fasta: are you certain there's no usable linux replacement ( or even something that runs on wine ) |
| 13:32.32 | cahoot | valdyn: right - it seems it's alsa-utils that fixes alsactl stor/restore etc |
| 13:32.45 | fasta | valdyn: not certain, but I have never seen anything like it before. |
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| 13:33.53 | Klavier | can i use s3 trio 3d 8mb vga card with 1024 768 resolution? |
| 13:34.00 | Klavier | what you think |
| 13:34.08 | jetscreamer | probably? |
| 13:34.12 | wols | Klavier: yes |
| 13:34.19 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 13:34.20 | dpkg | [hwinfo] your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 13:34.34 | wols | 1024 need 768kB for at 8bit (256 colors) |
| 13:34.45 | wols | so it needs almost 4MB for truecolor |
| 13:34.50 | fasta | valdyn: http://kohlrabi.cs.umanitoba.ca/G&G/G&G.html I made a mistake regarding the date, btw. There is a new release from 2006. |
| 13:35.07 | psycose | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.14 | xingu | psycose: blade150 has an eide cdrom and a usb keyboard |
| 13:35.23 | abrotman | psycose: i told you .. you're sparc64 |
| 13:35.39 | Klavier | wols and how can i configure xf86 corretly for my vga card |
| 13:35.39 | xingu | psycose: you do *not* want to load a type4/type5 keyboard map |
| 13:35.46 | abrotman | i don't think anything more recent than .. 1998 is sparc32 |
| 13:35.48 | xingu | psycose: if you have in the installer - this is why your alt-f2 is hosed |
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| 13:35.53 | fasta | valdyn: do you know similar software? |
| 13:36.01 | abrotman | xingu: box isn't there ? |
| 13:36.18 | psycose | abrotman, ooh sorry i did not got you thanks for that |
| 13:36.23 | wols | !tell Klavier about drxx |
| 13:36.39 | wols | try the S3 driver, then VESA and if that doesn't work, look for XFree 3.3.6 |
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| 13:37.21 | xingu | psycose: also you do not want to install sparc32 on a blade150; /if/ it runs which I seriously doubt (kernel will have a bootloader for sun4[cdm] not sun4u and openprom will barf) - it'll run like mud |
| 13:37.22 | Klavier | okay wols thanks |
| 13:37.51 | xingu | psycose: blade150 is ultra2e and it works best with sun4u/sparc9+vis userland |
| 13:38.06 | wols | Klavier: S3 should work tho |
| 13:38.14 | psycose | xingu i think i chose type5 in the keyboard list..../ yes for the blade 150 it's sun4u |
| 13:38.34 | abrotman | xingu: 2e? or 3e ? |
| 13:38.37 | xingu | psycose: don't do that next time around; just leave the default, boot-time kernel keymap alone |
| 13:38.39 | xingu | abrotman: 2e |
| 13:39.03 | abrotman | oh . it's a IIi |
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| 13:39.14 | abrotman | Processor |
| 13:39.14 | abrotman | Clock Rate 550 MHz or 650 MHz UltraSPARC IIi |
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| 13:40.55 | psycose | xingu ok so during install i just let the press enter when the installer display keyboard questions .... |
| 13:41.14 | xingu | psycose: or escape; the no-choice choice. |
| 13:41.28 | maxxle | I get the following message when i try to mount my USB-Stick: "FAT: IO charset iso8859-1 not found" Is there a way to force my debian Box to mount it? I don't wanna rebuild my kernel with the required NLS |
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| 13:42.00 | abrotman | maxxle: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. install that locale |
| 13:42.11 | fasta | abrotman: I was more like looking for something like for the Mac that is the same as wine for Windows. It appears I need a MacOS to run pearpc. |
| 13:42.42 | psycose | xingu, abrotman thank you for your help |
| 13:42.55 | abrotman | fasta: well .. start searching google/freshmeat |
| 13:42.57 | maxxle | abrotman: oh thx. I thought it was a problem of my kernel-config. |
| 13:42.59 | lunitik | fasta: Darwine |
| 13:43.25 | lunitik | fasta: although that has little to nothing to do with Debian... |
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| 13:44.15 | fasta | lunitik: you didn't read my original question. |
| 13:44.20 | lunitik | fasta: you won't be able to run any win32 binaries on PPC though, only win32 apps you have code for and can compile.... |
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| 13:44.33 | fasta | abrotman: thanks, anyway, I will find another way. |
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| 13:45.56 | lunitik | s/I don't/he doesn't/ |
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| 13:50.39 | psycose | ok it's maybe the silliest question of the day .... Given a package name how can i know on which debian etch cdrom it will be ? |
| 13:51.53 | stew | hrm, i need to update my page to include the etch cdroms |
| 13:51.53 | blondie | i would have thought it would be better to download it |
| 13:52.22 | stew | psycose: download the jigdo files, and run "zless foo.jigdo" they are basically gzipped package lists |
| 13:52.40 | psycose | stew thanks |
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| 13:54.21 | abrotman | are there jigdo files for etch ? |
| 13:54.43 | mosty | how do i install asterisk without the asterisk-config package? |
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| 13:55.07 | mosty | i want to use my own config files, and that package keeps re-adding files that i have deleted when it's upgraded |
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| 13:55.51 | lunitik | mosty: weird... it shouldn't... usually apt won't even add things like xorg.conf if you've removed it or changed it... |
| 13:56.22 | lunitik | mosty: I'd file a bug about that if the packager is doing that... although I've never used asterisk before... |
| 13:56.34 | enouf | mosty it seems you should /msg dpkg rcconf and kill the service from startin so the upgrades won't keep adding new config files - nor startin the service |
| 13:57.06 | stew | psycose: oh, you can search here: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
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| 13:57.44 | psycose | stew thanks !! Opps my package is present in packages.debian.org but not in the jigdo files !! |
| 13:57.56 | stew | psycose: which ? |
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| 13:58.19 | mosty | enouf, i don't have a problem with the init script links, it's the files in /etc/asterisk/ |
| 13:59.05 | enouf | mosty: hrm... I never used asterisk either .. dunno then |
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| 13:59.39 | abrotman | can you use dpkg-divert for that ? |
| 14:00.22 | mosty | lunitik, it recognises when packages have been changed, and offers to replace or keep my version, then creates foo.dpkg-dist files if i choose not to use their version. but if the file was deleted, it just puts a new file there |
| 14:00.37 | enouf | shouldn't any all apt/dpkg upgrades always leave personal config files alone /if/ the pkg was installed correctly? |
| 14:00.44 | psycose | ok i've try just until the 7 etch CD ... on the url you gave me, my package (gnat for sparc) appear on the CD 9 ... thanks for your url |
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| 14:01.53 | stew | psycose: http://www.atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=gnat its on 9 |
| 14:02.07 | stew | oh wait |
| 14:02.18 | stew | no, 16? |
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| 14:02.28 | enouf | psycose: /msg dpkg popcon :-) |
| 14:02.52 | enouf | get it moved up a few notches maybe |
| 14:03.59 | psycose | oops !! waw it's sad !!! well problem is nodoby knows the Ada power now ... |
| 14:04.10 | abrotman | i have an ada book .. |
| 14:04.18 | abrotman | in a box somewhere |
| 14:04.44 | psycose | my dream is Debian running on an Ada kernel ... this rocks .. |
| 14:05.05 | abrotman | does your kernel boot ? |
| 14:05.16 | mosty | abrotman, dpkg-divert looks useful, i will give this a shot |
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| 14:05.37 | abrotman | mosty: i'm not sure it will do what you want .. but you can try it :) |
| 14:06.02 | nvz | psycose: you sounded like MLK there for a second |
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| 14:06.36 | psycose | nvz sorry i did not get you .. |
| 14:07.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:07.04 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:07.04 | enouf | nvz: yeah ..mind splainin |
| 14:07.24 | nvz | Martin Luther King Jr. " I have a dream ... " |
| 14:07.36 | enouf | ahh there's tarz and corn |
| 14:07.46 | enouf | nvz: forgot the J |
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| 14:08.00 | nvz | enouf: google -> MLK |
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| 14:08.04 | blondie | !pop3 |
| 14:08.04 | dpkg | POP3 is a really pesky way to get email, especially if you have lots of it. An evil thing most people on the internet are stuck with whether they like it or not. See <fetchmail>. telnet your.pop3.server.org pop3 |tee -a mymails; user foo; pass ****; list; retr 1; dele 1; quit. Also see RFC1939 |
| 14:09.23 | psycose | Oh Oh God, please forgive them they have put the Gnat package on the CD 16 !!! how many CD's must i burn to be free :::: |
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| 14:09.41 | asg | psycose: none, you can install directly off the net |
| 14:10.03 | psycose | asg i don't get the net where the sparc box is .. |
| 14:10.21 | asg | psycose: then download the package and any dependancies and sneakernet them over. |
| 14:10.29 | enouf | nvz: okie .. busy now for a few ..bbl |
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| 14:12.17 | javi_ | hi people, how can I tell aptitude about a locally package installed by dpkg is the good election ? |
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| 14:15.57 | tabm0de | how do if fix "/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" |
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| 14:16.37 | derek[] | !paster |
| 14:16.37 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:16.55 | DaveyB | How do I get Debian so I can download using azureus, keeps saying I have a NAT problem? |
| 14:17.01 | blondie | !dpkg |
| 14:17.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the base of the Debian package management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get>, <apt>, and <aptitude>, or really cool |
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| 14:18.34 | derek[] | what's wrong with this script: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3978 |
| 14:18.35 | derek[] | ? |
| 14:18.47 | derek[] | I get some error in the if statement |
| 14:19.49 | rbd | hey guys. I have experience in creating my own .deb packages, but I was wondering what tool was used with the official debian packages to prompt users for some choices (at least to me, it was ncurses based...an example is with the ca-certificates package where it asks you what certificates it should install... I'd like a multiselect menu step in my package's install procedure like that) ... |
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| 14:20.45 | abrotman | derek[]: what's the error ? |
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| 14:20.58 | abrotman | rbd: debconf |
| 14:21.32 | derek[] | I don't remember exactly ..it was like "expected operator..." |
| 14:21.42 | derek[] | I really don't remember :/ |
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| 14:22.06 | derek[] | i've booted into windows now |
| 14:22.18 | abrotman | well .. that's vague |
| 14:22.21 | Barnes | DaveyB just check your settings in asureuz |
| 14:23.00 | HNT | Hello everybody, do you know how can I get the mount point of a device ? Eg : I'v got an usb key on /dev/sda1 and I want to know (with shell commands) where is it mounted |
| 14:23.21 | Barnes | HNT mount |
| 14:23.46 | rbd | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 14:24.14 | abrotman | HNT: `mount` |
| 14:24.26 | HNT | yeah mount, but i don't know how ti use cut, do you know how can i get /media/usb0 from this line : /dev/sdc1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,umask=000) |
| 14:24.27 | HNT | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.18 | Barnes | HNT change your /etc/fstab |
| 14:25.24 | cast | HNT: |awk '{print $3}' |
| 14:25.58 | abrotman | HNT: grep? awk? |
| 14:26.07 | HNT | thx very much cast, it work perfectly |
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| 14:26.59 | javi_ | how can I install a local package inside aptitude ?? |
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| 14:27.54 | cast | now who was it that asked about vmware on etch for a while yesterday...i've just installed etch and vmware is working fine |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | man dpkg |
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| 14:32.30 | simonrvn | fucking libwmf bs ... |
| 14:32.59 | LiamH | Recent upgrades in unstable have messed with my xorg fonts on both i386 and amd64. For example, emacs comes up showing only a small rectangle where each character would be. Does anyone know cause/cure for this? |
| 14:35.05 | simonrvn | too many menus in gvim now |
| 14:35.46 | simonrvn | i haven't used emacs in months. checked the BTS yet? sounds like a familiar bug ... |
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| 14:36.29 | simonrvn | LiamH: ^^ |
| 14:36.55 | LiamH | It's not emacs alone. It also affects for example XEmacs, and the titles on the windows in ion3. |
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| 14:36.57 | Garda | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4801631.stm |
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| 14:37.32 | LiamH | I would check bugs but I don't know what package to look under. |
| 14:37.51 | asg | LiamH: well, do you remember which packages got updated? |
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| 14:38.03 | simonrvn | try fontconfig, or using font as an argument ... |
| 14:38.32 | asg | LiamH: find /var/lib/dpkg/info -type f -mtime -1 (should give you an idea if not) ; or /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 14:39.01 | simonrvn | try that ^^ |
| 14:39.16 | simonrvn | dpkg.log ;) |
| 14:39.57 | simonrvn | *shudder* i remember seeing the gimp in version 1.3, with that ugly gtk1 ... |
| 14:40.06 | simonrvn | ..in mac os x |
| 14:40.24 | simonrvn | gtk1 with no theme .. |
| 14:40.25 | LiamH | I did use aptitude which keeps a log. |
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| 14:40.44 | simonrvn | yeh that should help. they get rotated too eh |
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| 14:41.04 | simonrvn | later |
| 14:41.23 | LiamH | 245 packages were upgraded |
| 14:41.51 | hjubal | is it possibile to build kernel module and install it manually from official nvidia driver? |
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| 14:42.04 | LiamH | xfonts-base, I guess? |
| 14:42.13 | Aque0s | i have just plugged in a stuffed (not the drive, windows) windows nstf drive into my debian machine, i am a beginner at linux and just need to quickly know how to get aout 0.5m of data of it... VERY urgent |
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| 14:44.50 | Aque0s | hello? |
| 14:45.31 | eml | Aque0s, Try: mount -t ntfs /dev/<yourdev> /path/to/mountpoint |
| 14:45.42 | asg | Aque0s: /msg dpkg read-ntfs |
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| 14:47.31 | Aque0s | eml: /dev/<yourdev> /path/to/mountpoint ??? that is that 4? |
| 14:47.46 | eml | "that is that 4"? |
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| 14:48.31 | Aque0s | *what is that 4? |
| 14:48.35 | fasta | with repairing parser: what is that for? |
| 14:48.48 | MarGarina | libapache2-mod-php5 is broken with apache2.2, any solution? |
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| 14:49.31 | eml | Agrajag-, What 4? |
| 14:49.34 | eml | Aque0s, What 4? |
| 14:49.36 | eml | Sorry Agrajag- |
| 14:50.02 | lord_rob | Hi ! When I do "reportbug cupsys" I get the following messages : "debsums: can't open cupsys file /usr/lib/cups/backend-available/ipp (Permission denied)" and "debsums: can't open cupsys file /usr/lib/cups/backend-available/lpd (Permission denied)". What do that mean ? |
| 14:50.05 | eml | Aque0s, If you're writing 4 instead of "for" I'm not speaking to you anymore |
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| 14:50.33 | Aque0s | *what is that for? |
| 14:51.04 | Aque0s | please man... this is extremely urgent |
| 14:51.45 | eml | Okay, first you need to know the dev your hdd is, and I have no idea how to tell you that. So that's the first one. The next one is where you want to mount it, say /home/<youruser>/ntfspartition |
| 14:51.54 | enouf | Aque0s: apt-get show ntfsutils .. and stop using single letters for words |
| 14:52.08 | eml | Aight, I'm leaving you to enouf now! MOhaha |
| 14:52.09 | enouf | !tell Aque0s about ntfs |
| 14:52.25 | lord_rob | enouf: apt-get ? you mean apt-cache ? |
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| 14:52.55 | enouf | lord_rob: Aque0s Yes .. apt-cache show ntfsutils ... sotrry |
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| 14:53.56 | enouf | Aque0s: http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 14:54.14 | enouf | dpkg ntfs is also : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 14:54.14 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 14:54.37 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:54.37 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:55.12 | enouf | eml ...heh |
| 14:56.34 | roxy_ | even reading the man page I can't get the difference between $* and *@ . Does someone got a simple script that would show the diff ? |
| 14:56.42 | eml | enouf, ;) |
| 14:56.52 | asg | roxy_: #bash |
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| 14:57.19 | enouf | eml ; I'm still a baby deb man ... the way you said that - hehe |
| 14:57.31 | quoth | anyone know a decent logparse or stats program for parsing netscreen logs? |
| 14:57.55 | eml | enouf, My english isn't perfect, sorry if I insulted you =p |
| 14:58.12 | tarzeau | quoth: can i see some netscreen logs? |
| 14:58.12 | asg | quoth: shouldn't be too hard to write one |
| 14:58.15 | enouf | eml ..no ..not at all ;-) |
| 14:58.32 | eml | enouf, Not sure if you're ironic or not, either way it's fine. :P |
| 14:58.42 | enouf | eml .. no worries .. |
| 14:58.54 | enouf | you da man :-) |
| 14:59.08 | quoth | tarzeau this site has an example: http://www.sanface.com/log2pdf.html |
| 14:59.38 | quoth | just want to get some static on the percentage of dropped packets, percentage of destination hosts etc |
| 14:59.48 | quoth | I could do this with a perl script and a cunning use of hashes |
| 14:59.56 | tarzeau | quoth: tried webalizer on it? |
| 14:59.59 | Charminthemoose | how do i set up cups to use my local printer? |
| 15:00.00 | quoth | but I don't want to reinvent the wheel, so I thought I'd ask |
| 15:00.17 | quoth | tarzeau actually no, webalizer can only do W3C, no? |
| 15:00.24 | tarzeau | quoth: and awstats maybe? |
| 15:00.41 | tarzeau | quoth: it does ftp too |
| 15:00.45 | tarzeau | quoth: xfer* |
| 15:00.47 | quoth | I thought those could only do apache/squid/w3c/sendmail ? |
| 15:00.53 | enouf | Charminthemoose: http://localhost:631 maybe? |
| 15:00.54 | Aque0s | its not working |
| 15:01.25 | Aque0s | argh |
| 15:02.16 | fasta | Aque0s: did somebody die already? |
| 15:02.20 | cahoot | Charminthemoose: you have more than one? |
| 15:02.24 | enouf | Aque0s: maybe if you got r-e-a-l-l-y mad . then that might work |
| 15:02.26 | Aque0s | any1 know if there is a way to bypass the windows securetiy |
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| 15:02.37 | fasta | Aque0s: any1 is not a word |
| 15:02.55 | enouf | !any1 |
| 15:02.55 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 15:03.02 | enouf | !u |
| 15:03.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 15:03.35 | Aque0s | anyone know if there is a way to bypass the windows securetiy |
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| 15:03.50 | wols | Aque0s: there is no "security" you speak of |
| 15:03.58 | enouf | Aque0s: Yes .. there are many ways .. but you don't need to |
| 15:03.58 | wols | you mount the disk as you've been told and you're done |
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| 15:04.13 | Aque0s | ok... |
| 15:04.17 | wols | and the more you talk about URGENT and FAST and such shit, the less help you get and the slower you get your data |
| 15:04.31 | Aque0s | mayb i can use ntfsmount? |
| 15:04.39 | wols | Aque0s: what is the error you get with the mount command above? |
| 15:04.47 | enouf | nods with wols |
| 15:04.59 | Aque0s | well |
| 15:05.17 | Aque0s | mkdir /mnt/windows |
| 15:05.24 | Aque0s | mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0002,nls=utf8 |
| 15:05.34 | Aque0s | thats what i did |
| 15:05.40 | enouf | sudo mkdir /mnt/windows |
| 15:05.44 | wols | that's nice, but what is the error you get? |
| 15:06.07 | wols | enouf: there is no sudo. at least not by default. this is not #ubuntu |
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| 15:06.25 | Aque0s | when i do it with hda1, it says it is already mounted... and all the others it says do not exist |
| 15:06.34 | enouf | wols: I know that .. but could've said as root .. and then really confused him/her |
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| 15:07.06 | wols | Aque0s: run "mount" |
| 15:07.11 | wols | does it mention /dev/hda1 ? |
| 15:07.12 | Aque0s | k |
| 15:07.16 | fasta | !k |
| 15:07.16 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 15:07.38 | enouf | wols: just much less typing (my suggestion is) .. nothing at all to do qith ANY other distro |
| 15:07.47 | quoth | zero killed? is that were it comes from? :) |
| 15:08.30 | wols | Aque0s: well? |
| 15:08.39 | enouf | fasta: what about the venerable "kk" I always see these kisd using |
| 15:08.47 | enouf | kids even |
| 15:09.14 | Aque0s | it is mounted |
| 15:09.19 | Aque0s | and it is ext3 |
| 15:09.32 | fasta | !kk |
| 15:09.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kk is ANAL! |
| 15:09.38 | enouf | hahaha |
| 15:09.47 | fasta | dpkg is the best |
| 15:10.08 | wols | Aque0s: then /dev/hda1 is obviously wrong. |
| 15:10.15 | wols | how did you connect that ntfs drive? |
| 15:10.26 | Aque0s | erm |
| 15:10.31 | quoth | do a fdisk -l /dev/hda and see what the output is |
| 15:10.39 | Aque0s | i turned off my machine |
| 15:10.40 | enouf | drats .. i forgot the command to ask dpkg the modified time to see if you just created that |
| 15:10.47 | wols | quoth: how do you know it's in /dev/hda? |
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| 15:11.00 | Aque0s | plugged in the ide and power and booted up (i set the ntfs jumpers to slave) |
| 15:11.11 | quoth | wols just following the discussion here, he's having problems mounting a partition? |
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| 15:11.19 | wols | Aque0s: same ide channel as the disk already in |
| 15:11.26 | Aque0s | yeah |
| 15:11.28 | wols | quoth: yes, but on a different drive |
| 15:11.33 | quoth | i see |
| 15:11.44 | wols | Aque0s: then run fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
| 15:11.57 | quoth | are we talking IDE here? |
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| 15:12.10 | wols | any output |
| 15:12.11 | wols | ? |
| 15:12.14 | enouf | quoth: yes .. master/slave implies |
| 15:12.22 | Charminthemoose | i can't for the life of me underrstand why gnome cups manager is always selecting network printer instead of local printer.any got any ideas to why this is happening? |
| 15:12.25 | bulio| | How can I migrate from apache2 to lighthttpd while keeping all my websites? |
| 15:12.41 | quoth | bulio|: |
| 15:12.43 | wols | bulio|: simply uninstall apache2 |
| 15:12.46 | abrotman | bulio|: read the docs ? |
| 15:12.51 | quoth | and copy your web data over? |
| 15:12.51 | wols | data in /var/www stays |
| 15:12.54 | mne | hi, after playing a bit with compiz I was wondering if there is a debian way of installing Xgl. (there is a manual on sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm, but I was wondering if there is a debian repository for Xgl out there) |
| 15:13.02 | abrotman | no |
| 15:13.13 | abrotman | aiglx is in unstable now |
| 15:13.19 | bulio| | wols: uninstall apache2 and install lighthttpd? |
| 15:13.20 | wols | !tell mne about xgl |
| 15:13.24 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: it's set to the default ? |
| 15:13.27 | wols | bulio|: yes |
| 15:13.29 | Aque0s | w00t it sees my driver!!! |
| 15:13.29 | bulio| | and I won't break anything with mysql or php? |
| 15:13.29 | enouf | Charminthemoose: not me anyhow ... apologies - others may |
| 15:13.31 | hjubal | how can I know which gcc version has been used to build my stock kernel? |
| 15:13.32 | quoth | ahh, abrotman, our personal apt-cache god |
| 15:13.37 | Aque0s | w00t it sees my *drive!!! |
| 15:13.40 | abrotman | hjubal: cat /proc/version |
| 15:13.43 | abrotman | quoth: do i know you? |
| 15:13.48 | wols | bulio|: you need php for lighttpd etc |
| 15:13.52 | quoth | abrotman nope |
| 15:14.05 | bulio| | wols: a special php? |
| 15:14.07 | hjubal | abrotman, thx:) |
| 15:14.19 | wols | bulio|: it uses php via fastcgi |
| 15:14.23 | mne | abrotman, did't find it in unstable .. neither in experimental |
| 15:14.24 | wols | which makes php even slower than usual |
| 15:14.30 | abrotman | mne: aiglx is in unstable |
| 15:14.31 | abrotman | !aiglx |
| 15:14.31 | dpkg | somebody said aiglx was an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 15:14.35 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 15:14.54 | MarGarina | Any known fix for the apache2.2<->php5 problem in sid? |
| 15:15.00 | wols | outdated factoids are a pain |
| 15:15.01 | mne | i'll read the wiki first :P |
| 15:15.16 | wols | MarGarina: no. use apache2 from etch |
| 15:15.27 | h3sp4wn | mne: If you are talking about xserver-xorg-air its depreciated (and the functionality is included in xorg 7.1) |
| 15:15.38 | Charminthemoose | i set the printer to the default of local and it's still set as network |
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| 15:16.03 | abrotman | MarGarina: wait |
| 15:16.22 | xirjs | i have a new pcmcia wavelan card. when i insert it i don't see any informations about the card lspcmcia does not say anything ... |
| 15:16.25 | hjubal | my kernel has been built with gcc 4.0.3-6 but why it isn't in official repositories? |
| 15:16.46 | xirjs | do i need to set up a new card for pcmcia in anyway, in debian |
| 15:16.50 | enouf | xirjs: update-pciids maybe |
| 15:17.03 | xirjs | enouf: how do i do that? |
| 15:17.03 | wols | hjubal: you are using an etch kernel |
| 15:17.23 | hjubal | wols, yes |
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| 15:17.45 | wols | info gcc-4.0 etch |
| 15:17.49 | wols | !info gcc-4.0 etch |
| 15:17.53 | dpkg | gcc-4.0: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4.0.3-3 (etch), Packaged size: 496 kB, Installed size: 1128 kB |
| 15:18.33 | wols | hjubal: can't you use that? |
| 15:20.12 | bulio| | how do I cleanly remove apache2? |
| 15:20.19 | bulio| | apt-cache remove apache2? |
| 15:20.32 | Eulex | apt-get remove apache2 |
| 15:20.36 | xirjs | dmesg says:pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 1 |
| 15:20.41 | xirjs | lspcmcia says: |
| 15:20.43 | Charminthemoose | hmm,i attempted to print a test page and i got 'client-error-not-possible'.help! |
| 15:20.54 | xirjs | Socket 0 Bridge: [yenta_cardbus] (bus ID: 0000:02:01.0) |
| 15:20.54 | xirjs | Socket 1 Bridge: [yenta_cardbus] (bus ID: 0000:02:01.1) CardBus card -- see "lspci" for more information |
| 15:20.59 | xirjs | nothing else ... ;-( |
| 15:21.16 | enouf | xirjs: I think it's a function of the discover pkg .. apt-get install discover |
| 15:21.50 | hjubal | wols, 'cat /proc/version' returns 'gcc v 4.0.4' (debian 4.0.3-6) but if I try to install nvidia driver, installer complains "compiler version does not exactly match..." |
| 15:21.59 | xirjs | ok, looks fine .. i try it |
| 15:22.15 | hjubal | wols, I installed gcc-4.0.. it could be an 'alternatives' problem |
| 15:22.23 | xirjs | oh, i had discover1 ... already installed ... |
| 15:22.34 | xirjs | debian removed that .. |
| 15:22.54 | wols | hjubal: ls -al /usr/bin/gcc |
| 15:23.01 | wols | it will probably point to something else |
| 15:23.24 | hjubal | wols, points to gcc-4.1 |
| 15:23.34 | xirjs | enouf: i just need to install it ... it should work when i insert a new card? |
| 15:23.38 | hjubal | wols, this is the problem.. thx |
| 15:24.02 | xirjs | do i need to set something in /etc/pcmcia/config? |
| 15:24.31 | enouf | xirjs: if the Kernel doesn't recognize it then it's not going to work .. plus you may need a module to .. I'm trying to get this update-pciid thing straight and I'm not doing too well |
| 15:24.41 | bulio| | how can I tell which versions of PHP I have installed? |
| 15:25.21 | xirjs | enouf: the kernel should be fine for pcmcia here. i have an old card which works very well using orinoco_cs ... |
| 15:25.39 | xirjs | it loads the driver and connects to a given network |
| 15:25.45 | xirjs | dmesg says ... |
| 15:25.59 | enouf | xirjs: but lspci shows it ..no? lspci has to recognize the vendorid and such |
| 15:26.00 | xirjs | but this dlink stuff does not apear anyhow ... ;-( |
| 15:26.25 | xirjs | enouf: no, lspci does not show it ... it just show the cardbus ... |
| 15:26.26 | enouf | xirjs: patience .. unless soempone else chimes in |
| 15:26.48 | xirjs | you are right ... i will plug my oldcard .. for the moment |
| 15:26.55 | xirjs | or keep on cable ... ;-) |
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| 15:28.07 | benjamindees | can somebody explain to me the cramfs setup for compiling kernel.org kernels on debian? |
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| 15:28.35 | benjamindees | do I require a kernel patch to use mkcramfs? |
| 15:28.56 | enouf | xirjs: as root ' update-pciids ' that's all and it works here .. maybe need pg pciutils |
| 15:29.07 | enouf | s/pg/pkg |
| 15:29.11 | lord_rob | How comes reportbug now uses joe instead of nano ? |
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| 15:29.30 | abrotman | echo $EDITOR |
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| 15:30.16 | lord_rob | abrotman: no editor configured this way. Should I export EDITOR=nano ? |
| 15:30.30 | abrotman | lord_rob: you have no $EDITOR ? |
| 15:30.35 | lord_rob | no |
| 15:30.49 | enouf | xirjs: ' dpkg -l pciutils ' to make sure that's installed |
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| 15:31.03 | abrotman | lord_rob: ls -l /etc/alternatives/editor ? |
| 15:31.11 | enouf | lord_rob: that's what I did .. but vi/vim elitists clober me for it :-p |
| 15:32.01 | lord_rob | abrotman: this link points to joe. Ok I'll change the alternative there thanks |
| 15:32.15 | abrotman | lord_rob: man update-alternatives |
| 15:32.33 | lord_rob | yes I know how to use it ;) |
| 15:32.40 | enouf | xirjs: then visit kmuto.org --> /msg dpkg drivers and paste in the contents of lspci -n |
| 15:32.41 | abrotman | ok .. some don't ... just making sure |
| 15:32.43 | xirjs | enouf: pciutils are there |
| 15:32.44 | sysop | nano!!! |
| 15:32.51 | limpio | # update-alternatives --config editor |
| 15:32.53 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 15:32.53 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 15:32.53 | enouf | xirjs: ok good .. run the update |
| 15:32.57 | sysop | let the editor wars begin. |
| 15:33.19 | xirjs | enouf: which update? |
| 15:33.29 | enouf | thanks to abrotman .. xirjs -- it's /msg dpkg which driver |
| 15:33.29 | dpkg | enouf: pas de quoi |
| 15:33.30 | lord_rob | no problem abrotman |
| 15:33.46 | enouf | xirjs: as root ... update-pciids |
| 15:33.52 | limpio | lord_rob, if you like nano, try jpico (part of joe) |
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| 15:34.05 | benjamindees | is there a boot option I can use to tell the kernel not to expect a cramfs initrd? |
| 15:34.11 | enouf | xirjs: there's a list at pciids.sourceforge.net |
| 15:34.27 | abrotman | update-pciids |
| 15:34.32 | abrotman | oh ..nm |
| 15:34.52 | Confuscious | i can open the config file with vi ~/.xine/config but how does one find where this config file is actually located? |
| 15:35.02 | xirjs | enouf: ok |
| 15:35.25 | wols | benjamindees: why do you have an initd? do you really need it? |
| 15:35.28 | xirjs | the driver check for lspci -n just tells me yenta_socket about pcmcia |
| 15:35.31 | xirjs | i use them already |
| 15:36.02 | enouf | xirjs: but run it from your box should be fine ... then you can always 'apt-get update' which won't hurt, nor actually upgrade anything but your apt-cache listings |
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| 15:36.08 | benjamindees | wols, it's already compiled; I'm testing a bunch of kernels and just got to this one that hates having an initrd |
| 15:36.30 | xirjs | enouf: i know a bit about apt-get .. thats ok ... |
| 15:36.37 | enouf | xirjs: after you update-pciids .. lspci -n should tell you more ..if more is available |
| 15:36.41 | lord_rob | limpio: actually as I like nano, I use nano :) |
| 15:36.46 | enouf | xirjs: okie |
| 15:36.50 | xirjs | what should this update do? finding more hardware cards? |
| 15:36.57 | xirjs | i run it ... but nothing changes |
| 15:37.01 | xirjs | do i need to restart pcmcia? |
| 15:37.02 | enouf | xirjs: yes |
| 15:37.18 | enouf | xirjs: it's just an updated hardware list |
| 15:37.18 | lord_rob | sometimes alternatives are fucked up when upgrading sid |
| 15:37.40 | benjamindees | wols, I assumed the options were to have a cramfs initrd or not; but now neither of those seem to work |
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| 15:37.47 | xirjs | its now in /usr/share/misc/pci.ids.new |
| 15:37.51 | enouf | xirjs: I recall having 3 separate module sinstalled for pcmicia support .. hold a sec |
| 15:37.54 | xirjs | do i have to cp it somewhere? |
| 15:38.09 | abrotman | already happened |
| 15:38.15 | enouf | xirjs: ahhh ..no .. just 'updatedb' as root |
| 15:38.15 | abrotman | lspci doesn't show pcmcia cards iirc |
| 15:38.25 | valdyn | abrotman: cardbus yes, same slot |
| 15:38.32 | enouf | abrotman: hmmm .. not at all? |
| 15:38.35 | abrotman | same slot ? |
| 15:38.37 | xirjs | enouf: this will take a while ... |
| 15:38.44 | enouf | xirjs: ok |
| 15:38.45 | abrotman | enouf: valdyn says it does ... i didn't think it did |
| 15:38.52 | enouf | abrotman: got it |
| 15:38.59 | abrotman | regardless .. hwinfo should show it :) |
| 15:38.59 | enouf | thanks valdyn and abrotman |
| 15:39.05 | valdyn | abrotman: cardbus = 32bit pcmcia = pcimcia 2 probably = pci devices |
| 15:39.13 | enouf | abrotman: if it's updated ...maybe? |
| 15:39.20 | abrotman | i thought it showed the controller .. but not the actual card |
| 15:39.34 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:39.34 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:39.37 | xirjs | abrotman: what is hwinfo? i dont have it installed |
| 15:39.42 | valdyn | abrotman: 16-bit pcmcia cards arent shown |
| 15:39.43 | enouf | abrotman: hmm haven't tried it for that |
| 15:39.45 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 15:39.45 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have |
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| 15:40.31 | xingu | xirjs: just out of interest does cardctl ident show anything? it's a total shot in the dark, this is "mists-of-time" linux2.4 pcmcia stuff. |
| 15:40.32 | enouf | abrotman: thank you -- I could not for the life of me recall that exact istval to get dpkg to spit out that facxtoid info .. a few days ago when I was looking |
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| 15:40.45 | enouf | s/istval/listval |
| 15:40.49 | abrotman | enouf: you're welcome |
| 15:41.01 | valdyn | there's lspcmcia too for 16-bit cards |
| 15:41.04 | abrotman | valdyn: so 16bit don't show but 32bit do ? |
| 15:41.12 | valdyn | abrotman: yea, exactly |
| 15:41.20 | abrotman | that's just silly :) |
| 15:41.41 | xingu | abrotman: that's life; cardbus is directly attached to a pci bus, pcmcia hangs off an isa bridge |
| 15:41.45 | xirjs | ok |
| 15:41.53 | valdyn | abrotman: well its kinda nice that exactly the same drivers work for cardbus and pci |
| 15:42.00 | xirjs | hwinfo just shows me the cardbus ... but nothing about the card itself ... |
| 15:42.00 | abrotman | xingu: it could like .. call lspcmcia! |
| 15:42.06 | enouf | xirjs: also modprobe pcmcia_core |
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| 15:42.35 | xingu | xingu: try "cardctl ident" just to satisfy my curiosity? |
| 15:42.41 | amphi | xirjs: lspci will show a cardbus card |
| 15:43.06 | xingu | wow, own goal |
| 15:43.11 | xingu | xirjs: try "cardctl ident" just to satisfy my curiosity? |
| 15:43.24 | xirjs | xingu: cardctl show does not show this card ... but it shows my old one very well |
| 15:43.41 | xingu | xirjs: what card is it? |
| 15:44.33 | xingu | xirjs: also "cardctl status" might have some clues |
| 15:44.39 | xirjs | its a dlink g650 ... it should work with linux using ndis |
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| 15:44.59 | xirjs | Socket 1: 3.3V CardBus card function 0: [ready] |
| 15:45.07 | xirjs | thats the one |
| 15:45.16 | xingu | ok so at least there's something in the socket and we know now it's a cardbus card |
| 15:45.18 | enouf | xirjs: so the 3 modules I recall are pcmcia_core, yenta_socket, and pcmcia -- yet you may neeed a specific module for whatever card you're using .. use ' modprobe -l | grep pcmcia ' to list them all |
| 15:45.26 | xingu | it should at this point show up in lspci -vv |
| 15:46.05 | xingu | xirjs: or to summarise you need to paste lspci -vv somewhere the channel can see it (not into the channel) |
| 15:46.15 | xirjs | enouf: i have pcmcia modules compiled in in the kernel .. i need ro reboot for that, right? |
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| 15:47.04 | enouf | xirjs: likely yes .. |
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| 15:47.46 | xingu | xirjs: actually if you have the pcmcia modules statically (=Y, not =M) compiled in then you've probably openned up another error vector; from memory the pcmcia_cs->hotplug->udev stuff is still a little transitory |
| 15:48.09 | xingu | xirjs: I'd be tempted to nudge it with cardctl eject/ cardctl insert at least once to see what happens |
| 15:48.38 | vin` | xirjs: my old dlinkg650 used to works well with madwifi, atheros chipset. g650e or something is broadcom iirc. |
| 15:48.58 | bulio| | how can I remove all instances of php except for php-fastcgi? |
| 15:49.16 | Heston | hello, i installed debian recently but it seems my mouse wasnt detected properly, it's an old logitech serial mouse and im not sure how the xorg.conf should look regarding this |
| 15:49.31 | valdyn | Heston: uname -r |
| 15:49.33 | xingu | and for everyone else - by "transitory" I mean that the userland for cardbus/pcmcia partly still relies on the old pcmcia bits getting events and then hooking back into the hotplug bits |
| 15:49.34 | abrotman | /dev/ttyS0 or ttyS1 most likely |
| 15:49.57 | Heston | valdyn 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 15:50.00 | abrotman | bulio|: apt-get remove .... |
| 15:50.07 | sepski | Heston, /dev/input/mice make sure you load mousedev and sermouse modules |
| 15:50.13 | xirjs | hmmmm |
| 15:50.16 | xirjs | nothing helped ... |
| 15:50.24 | valdyn | Heston: what abrotman said, though /dev/input/mice would work too if mousedev is loaded |
| 15:50.30 | xingu | xirjs: can we have lspci -vv pasted somewhere? |
| 15:50.32 | xirjs | i can load the ndis stuff but pcmcia does not see this card |
| 15:50.39 | xirjs | xingu: mom |
| 15:50.48 | xingu | xirjs: I'd like to eyeball and reconfirm that the card is not showing as a pci device |
| 15:51.07 | Heston | it's already looking at /dev/input/mice |
| 15:51.15 | abrotman | is mousedev loaded? lsmod |
| 15:51.18 | Heston | put it says that isnt a valid device |
| 15:51.21 | Heston | but* |
| 15:51.25 | Heston | ill check |
| 15:51.43 | bulio| | abrotman: but I don't know which php packages are installed |
| 15:51.51 | abrotman | dpkg -l php* |
| 15:51.52 | dpkg | ii php* 2.3-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 15:51.56 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 15:51.56 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 15:51.59 | bulio| | thanks |
| 15:52.02 | Heston | abrotman, doesnt look like it |
| 15:52.17 | abrotman | Heston: load it .. and sermouse .. try again |
| 15:52.45 | abrotman | they should just automatically put that module in /etc/modules at install time ;) |
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| 15:53.07 | Heston | abrotman, and to have the loaded automatically post install? |
| 15:53.15 | abrotman | put it in /etc/modules |
| 15:53.28 | xirjs | waiting for pastebin .. |
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| 15:53.56 | bulio| | since I installed php-cgi, I assume it is safe to remove any php4 modules? |
| 15:54.08 | xirjs | does anyone know a better system then pastebin.com? |
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| 15:54.14 | xirjs | its kapputt .. ;-) |
| 15:54.19 | stoned | good morning |
| 15:54.25 | wols | ~!paster |
| 15:54.29 | wols | ~!paster~ |
| 15:54.33 | wols | !paster |
| 15:54.33 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:55.04 | wols | bulio|: no |
| 15:55.22 | wladston | guys, I'm new to linux. I have just got my first dedicated server for our project. The server is setup and working, but it's being VERY slow on the ssh and on the http. Can anyone help me ? |
| 15:55.26 | bulio| | wols: why? |
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| 15:55.34 | xirjs | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3979 <- lspci -vv |
| 15:55.43 | xingu | cheers |
| 15:55.51 | xirjs | just the cardbus ... ;-( |
| 15:55.59 | wols | cause php consist of many packages. not just a single one |
| 15:56.29 | xingu | xirjs: 07:00.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface |
| 15:56.32 | bulio| | wols: so I cannot remove stuff like un php4-pear ? |
| 15:56.32 | xingu | xirjs: there ya go. |
| 15:56.46 | wols | bulio|: that stuff isn't installed as you can see |
| 15:56.54 | xirjs | xingu: wow! thanks! |
| 15:56.58 | xirjs | ok, it's there .. |
| 15:56.59 | bulio| | and I removed php4, so why does php -v still output php 4? |
| 15:57.06 | xirjs | hmmm, and now/ |
| 15:57.07 | xirjs | ? |
| 15:57.21 | xingu | xirjs: so the last little part of this adventure is getting madwifi; as vin` says - there's a million different things called "g650" |
| 15:57.38 | wols | bulio|: cause php4 is a meta package |
| 15:57.43 | xingu | xirjs: yours happens to be the atheros variant |
| 15:57.44 | xirjs | i have downloaded the driver from dlink and installed ndiswrapper |
| 15:57.56 | wols | bulio|: the only thing you can remove is the apache php4 mod |
| 15:57.58 | xirjs | i can load the driver ... |
| 15:58.04 | bulio| | wols: ok |
| 15:58.08 | xirjs | but the interface does not apear ... thats my problem ... ;-) |
| 15:58.10 | xingu | xirjs: you don't want to do that, really; afaik acx111 has a ~free driver |
| 15:58.11 | Heston | abrotman, alright, that aloud xorg to startup but the mouse does not seem to work |
| 15:58.16 | wladston | if anyone can help me, please, give me an /msg |
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| 15:58.27 | abrotman | Heston: did you load sermouse too ? |
| 15:58.38 | Heston | yes |
| 15:58.47 | xirjs | ifconfig and iwconfig does not see any interface to configure |
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| 15:59.16 | xingu | !madwifi |
| 15:59.17 | dpkg | madwifi is probably for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner |
| 15:59.17 | abrotman | Heston: then tell X it's at /dev/ttyS0 or ttyS1 .. and try that |
| 15:59.27 | Heston | abrotman, k |
| 15:59.27 | xingu | xirjs: read; and do. |
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| 16:01.50 | Heston | abrotman, will i still need those modules if i use the device node directly? |
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| 16:02.02 | abrotman | most likely not |
| 16:02.29 | Heston | alright, thanks...its just starting now |
| 16:02.52 | Heston | the mouse is still non functional |
| 16:03.09 | Heston | and i know it's on ttyS0 |
| 16:03.28 | Nazcafan | hello, I have evbug that floods my log files, using the the standard debian 2.6.17-2 on a testing distro |
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| 16:03.59 | bulio| | ugh |
| 16:04.09 | bulio| | I don't know how to get php fastcgi to work with mysql |
| 16:04.19 | Nazcafan | Does everyone here have had this problem or is this something that I misconfigured ? |
| 16:04.23 | edytt | !pastebin |
| 16:04.24 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 16:05.15 | Heston | abrotman, any idea what i should do from here besides getting a new mouse? |
| 16:05.23 | abrotman | Heston: it might be ttyS1 .. |
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| 16:05.45 | valdyn | Heston: as root: 'cat /dev/whatever', move mouse around, if garbage appears you found your mouse |
| 16:05.50 | Heston | abrotman, well it's on the first serial port but ill try that just for the hell of it |
| 16:06.05 | abrotman | mdetect ? |
| 16:06.36 | Nazcafan | ok, I suppose I am the only one with this evbug flood issue here, then ... too ad |
| 16:06.40 | Nazcafan | *bad |
| 16:06.54 | Heston | neither ttyS0 or ttyS1 give garbage :/ |
| 16:07.03 | Heston | but i just had this mouse workign in freebsd |
| 16:07.17 | Heston | and knoppix detects it fine |
| 16:07.36 | lunitik | Nazcafan: or just the only one that has spotted it... either way, doesn't seem anyone can help... |
| 16:07.53 | lunitik | Nazcafan: check BTS... file bugs etc.. |
| 16:07.59 | xingu | Heston: if you don't mind me asking a ridiculous question, the physical interface that the mouse attaches to on your pc - is it a round mini-DIN or a 9/25pin serial connector? |
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| 16:08.26 | Heston | 9/25pin serial |
| 16:08.41 | wols | Nazcafan: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=379209 |
| 16:08.55 | Heston | i could count the pins but i dont feel like it :p |
| 16:09.00 | wols | Nazcafan: tjhe question is, why evbug is loaded on your mahcine in the first place |
| 16:09.01 | Nazcafan | lunitik: some other people had spotted it some time ago, I thought it had been solved with the new kernel release though |
| 16:09.25 | xingu | Heston: no sure that's fine, just some systems map the ps/2 port as if it were an asynch serial port to userland hence the odd question |
| 16:09.54 | wols | Nazcafan: is it in your blacklist? |
| 16:10.09 | Heston | actually, i had played around with some of the ps2 related stuff in the bios before installing |
| 16:10.11 | xingu | Heston: what does setserial /dev/ttyS0 say? |
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| 16:11.04 | Heston | i've never heard of setserial before and neither has my system |
| 16:11.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:11.21 | xingu | this could be a problem. :) |
| 16:11.28 | abrotman | is it possible that by loading mousedev .. he's now sending all mouse activity to /dev/input/mice ? |
| 16:11.29 | zed | hello all ! |
| 16:11.33 | xingu | Heston: you know the drill, apt-get install setserial |
| 16:11.37 | Nazcafan | wols: no, but since it is a debug module, it should be loaded explicitely, hence blacklisting shouldn't be necessary |
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| 16:11.40 | enouf | Nazcafan: as wols is saying rmmod evbug -- unless you need it for some odd/weird reason - I had it loaded once and all it did was screw up dmesg |
| 16:11.53 | valdyn | abrotman: not really |
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| 16:11.59 | Nazcafan | enouf: I'm affrais it comes back at boot |
| 16:12.07 | wols | Nazcafan: debian, by default, blackists it. wo why haven't you? |
| 16:12.13 | abrotman | i think it was a yes/no question :) |
| 16:12.18 | edytt | abrotman: im having wine errors, could you suggest anything please? http://pb.hdesk.org/1160323712 |
| 16:12.19 | Heston | im gonna try putting some of the bios settings back before i do anything else |
| 16:12.20 | zed | i have a strange behaviour with my pptpd server... i managed to get it working but now it doesn't work anymore... |
| 16:12.27 | abrotman | use windows ? |
| 16:12.40 | abrotman | edytt: use gtk-gnutella |
| 16:12.44 | abrotman | and isn't limewire java ? |
| 16:12.54 | xingu | Heston: there's every chance that until setserial's init script runs that the ttyS0 irq and io port won't be attached to the driver in linux. |
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| 16:13.09 | edytt | abrotman: ? |
| 16:13.14 | xingu | Heston: which needless to say will present you with a few challenges |
| 16:13.14 | abrotman | ?? |
| 16:13.23 | edytt | abrotman: what is the problem? |
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| 16:13.28 | abrotman | edytt: use gtk-gnutella to steal stuff |
| 16:13.29 | Heston | xingu, ill install it after i try one last thing |
| 16:13.31 | enouf | HEston ..BIOS settings ?? ...go back in and enable both COM1 and 2 ports |
| 16:13.32 | zed | here's the complete log (with debug on) => http://pastebin.co.uk/3717 |
| 16:13.36 | abrotman | edytt: and isn't limewire java ? |
| 16:13.40 | abrotman | or is that azeureus ? |
| 16:13.50 | wols | edytt: why don't you use a linux p2p app? |
| 16:13.56 | ahlfors | both limewire and az are java |
| 16:14.01 | wols | abrotman: azureus is java |
| 16:14.22 | abrotman | don't both limewire and az use gnutella network ? |
| 16:14.34 | abrotman | edytt: if you really want limewire .. ask #winehq how to fix that |
| 16:14.34 | Nazcafan | enouf: it is blacklisted indeed but to no avail |
| 16:14.36 | ahlfors | I think az is bittorrent only |
| 16:14.40 | Heston | enouf, it wasnt anything like that |
| 16:14.47 | wols | abrotman: you show your lack of street cred here |
| 16:14.50 | edytt | azerues is java |
| 16:14.50 | edytt | but what could be my problem? |
| 16:14.52 | Heston | enouf, it was ps/2 related stuff |
| 16:15.04 | abrotman | wols: that i don't use gnutella ? |
| 16:15.16 | abrotman | wols: gtk-gnutella is good enough for me |
| 16:15.20 | wols | abrotman: that you don't know anything about p2p apps :) |
| 16:15.21 | enouf | Heston: ok ... |
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| 16:15.34 | abrotman | wols: i do .. gtk-gnutella works .. and i miss gnut |
| 16:15.54 | wols | impossible to donwload anything there |
| 16:15.54 | enouf | wols: he disappeared (the evbug guy) |
| 16:16.07 | abrotman | wols: i just don't know anything about win32 apps for stealling .. or java apps |
| 16:16.13 | xingu | enouf: my hunch fwiw is that the current fashion is to not enable the assumed-defaults (for com1-4) in the pc serial driver and also to not install setserial by default |
| 16:16.28 | Heston | why wouldnt setserial be installed by defualt? |
| 16:16.36 | xingu | enouf: which works on legacy free systems but is a losing stratgey for folk still stuck with actual olde worlde mice |
| 16:16.36 | xirjs | xingu: ok, i have madwifi installed and the module loaded ... |
| 16:16.54 | xirjs | hmmm, but how do i get the card now |
| 16:17.02 | xingu | xirjs: iwconfig ath0 ? |
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| 16:17.17 | abrotman | Heston: serial devices are rare these days |
| 16:17.19 | xirjs | no such device |
| 16:17.20 | xirjs | .... |
| 16:17.35 | xingu | xirjs: cardctl eject 0/ update-modules/ cardctl insert 0 |
| 16:17.38 | Heston | abrotman, not in my house :p |
| 16:17.49 | enouf | xingu: wow .. that's a new one for me to hear ... thanks -- also thanks for the pcmcia info earlier - you jogged my memory - as I recall <something>_*ca* being in that loaded module group |
| 16:17.50 | abrotman | Heston: still in 1993 eh? :) |
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| 16:18.08 | Heston | abrotman, thats probably when this system was made, heh |
| 16:18.27 | abrotman | is it a 486 ? |
| 16:18.28 | enouf | xingu: but it's not in my 2.6.16-2-686 module list anymore, so I forgot exactly what it was |
| 16:18.51 | Heston | abrotman, 686 but still an old celeron |
| 16:18.54 | edytt | abrotman: I grabbed that off my other hdd, I tried mirc32.exe and got the same error |
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| 16:19.06 | abrotman | Heston: that's more like 1997-8 |
| 16:19.13 | xirjs | no, does not work |
| 16:19.15 | xirjs | ... ;-( |
| 16:19.15 | abrotman | edytt: so ask #winehq ... |
| 16:19.24 | edytt | noone awake there |
| 16:19.33 | xingu | xirjs: modprobe ath_pci? |
| 16:19.34 | abrotman | then use a real app ..stop messing with wine |
| 16:19.47 | edytt | like what? |
| 16:19.58 | xirjs | xingu: yup, modules are loaded |
| 16:20.03 | lunitik | edytt: konversation... xchat... irssi |
| 16:20.04 | xirjs | dmesg looks fine too |
| 16:20.07 | xingu | xirjs: once you've done the modprobe, can you paste output from "dmesg" and ifconfig -a for me? |
| 16:20.12 | xirjs | but there is no interface |
| 16:20.17 | abrotman | edytt: you'd probably be comfortable with xchat |
| 16:20.23 | abrotman | edytt: and try gtk-gnutella |
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| 16:21.13 | edytt | abrotman: has nothing to do with p2p clients :P |
| 16:21.21 | abrotman | edytt: what doesn't ? |
| 16:21.35 | abrotman | edytt: xchat is an irc client .. gtk-gnutella is a p2p client |
| 16:21.50 | lunitik | abrotman: nah... go check it out at www.gift-project.org... its legitimately crap... just... better (simpler) than gtk-gnutella |
| 16:21.55 | xirjs | xingu: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3980 |
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| 16:21.57 | abrotman | right .. troll |
| 16:22.01 | xirjs | dmesg and ifocnfig -a |
| 16:22.14 | ahlfors | irc is kind of like a p2p network for trading very small and typically useless files :) |
| 16:22.28 | enouf | bah ... he left .. xingu I was going to suggest to Heston, since he did <somefunkiness> to his bios settings ... to go back in and set defaults .. atleast try that - mauybe he's in the bios now :-) |
| 16:22.44 | abrotman | lunitik: might want to get a *working* url next time |
| 16:23.24 | abrotman | and even the correct url doesn't work .. thanks to sf.net |
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| 16:23.33 | xingu | xirjs: oh how ugly, "wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta" |
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| 16:23.51 | xingu | xirjs: trips off the tongue; try that lot |
| 16:23.54 | C2H5OH | is it going to take long to fix nautilus dependency with nautilus-data? |
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| 16:23.59 | C2H5OH | (in Sid, I mean) |
| 16:24.15 | edytt | if I used 'installpkg wine blahblah.tgz' how do I remove it? |
| 16:24.15 | abrotman | C2H5OH: checked the bts? |
| 16:24.18 | xirjs | xingu: there is no wlan0 no ath0 and no wifi0 .. |
| 16:24.24 | C2H5OH | I'm on the way |
| 16:24.28 | abrotman | edytt: wtf is installpkg ? |
| 16:24.39 | xingu | xirjs: sure, this is how they're born |
| 16:24.57 | xirjs | sorry |
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| 16:25.04 | mne | !aiglx |
| 16:25.04 | dpkg | aiglx is probably an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 16:25.08 | xirjs | <- to stupid ... and don't know how to configure it |
| 16:25.11 | lunitik | abrotman: meh... the site is down :/ |
| 16:25.24 | abrotman | i just said that .. and you gave the wrong url to begin with |
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| 16:26.18 | lunitik | abrotman: http://gift.sourceforge.net/images/screenshots/giftui.png |
| 16:26.26 | xingu | xirjs: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/ConfiguringtheMadWifidevice |
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| 16:26.36 | C2H5OH | abrotman: it doesn't seem to be there |
| 16:26.37 | abrotman | what's wrong with that ? |
| 16:26.40 | bulio| | what package do I need for mysql? |
| 16:26.43 | bulio| | mysql-common? |
| 16:26.44 | abrotman | C2H5OH: what's the error? |
| 16:26.48 | abrotman | bulio|: man apt-cache |
| 16:26.57 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:26.57 | rawtaz_ | hi all. im trying to install sarge on lvm on software raid. following http://emidio.planamente.ch/pages/linux_howto_root_lvm_raid.php it says enter "expert26" at the boot prompt, but my install says it cannot find that image. im using the businesscard install, on sparc :I |
| 16:27.06 | bulio| | abrotman: I did that, but there are tons of mysql packages |
| 16:27.08 | abrotman | lunitik: quit whining .. write your own |
| 16:27.13 | abrotman | bulio|: so read the descriptions |
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| 16:27.34 | bulio| | mysql-client-4.1 - mysql database client binaries |
| 16:27.34 | bulio| | mysql-common-4.1 - mysql database common files (e.g. /etc/mysql/my.cnf) |
| 16:27.34 | bulio| | mysql-server-4.1 - mysql database server binaries |
| 16:27.44 | abrotman | golly .. what might that mean ? |
| 16:27.46 | lunitik | abrotman: I guess it works... blah... I just think apollon is cleaner... (not because its qt, just the way they designed the interface) |
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| 16:27.56 | abrotman | lunitik: file a bug |
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| 16:28.01 | C2H5OH | abrotman: hold on, there's something wicked around here |
| 16:28.02 | bulio| | client and server I assume? |
| 16:28.03 | xingu | xirjs: you probably want "ath_pci autocreate=sta" in /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi |
| 16:28.05 | C2H5OH | let me investigate a bit |
| 16:28.14 | wols | bulio|: you need the one that connects to php |
| 16:28.15 | abrotman | bulio|: how the hell would we know what you need .. |
| 16:28.17 | thianyth | Hi |
| 16:28.31 | wols | bulio|: and you need the server |
| 16:28.36 | abrotman | !tell bulio| about fish |
| 16:28.52 | xingu | xirjs: the pastebin looks good, has found the hardware and attached; either use the wlanconfig tool as above or the autocreate=sta module parameter to create a netdev |
| 16:29.02 | C2H5OH | abrotman: check this out http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/nautilus |
| 16:29.11 | C2H5OH | abrotman: and go to the nautilus-data dependency |
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| 16:29.27 | rawtaz_ | isnt expert26 present on the sarge businesscard install image for sparc? |
| 16:29.33 | xingu | xirjs: and hopefully then you'll be back into something that looks familiar, a system that has a wireless-extensions savvy network device for you to plumb and configure |
| 16:29.45 | C2H5OH | i386, mips, mipsel and powerpc are a twice |
| 16:29.53 | abrotman | C2H5OH: no they aren't |
| 16:29.54 | Anarka | anyone knows whats is this message about in ssh "Permission denied (publickey)." ? it worked before a dist-upgrade to sid |
| 16:29.55 | C2H5OH | (forget the 'a') |
| 16:30.04 | abrotman | nautilus-data (= 2.14.3-2) [alpha, i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc] |
| 16:30.05 | abrotman | nautilus-data (= 2.14.3-3) [not alpha, hurd-i386, i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc] |
| 16:30.08 | abrotman | notice the "not" |
| 16:30.20 | C2H5OH | abrotman: ok |
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| 16:30.29 | abrotman | C2H5OH: so what's the real error ? |
| 16:30.31 | C2H5OH | abrotman: I thought it was only "not alpha" |
| 16:30.33 | Heston | alright, i can get garbage with cat /dev/ttyS0 but /dev/input/mice still doesnt work so im trying the actual device node again |
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| 16:30.45 | abrotman | C2H5OH: nah .. |
| 16:30.55 | abrotman | Heston: then tell X to use /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 16:31.02 | Heston | that's what i just did |
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| 16:31.06 | C2H5OH | abrotman: I can't install nautilus 2.14.3-2 |
| 16:31.08 | Heston | restarting it now |
| 16:31.14 | C2H5OH | but there's something wrong in my config |
| 16:31.18 | C2H5OH | I'll check again |
| 16:31.24 | xirjs | xingu: it does not seem to create an interface ... |
| 16:31.29 | Heston | abrotman, mouse still doesnt work |
| 16:31.33 | abrotman | C2H5OH: we need an error :) |
| 16:31.36 | xirjs | is there a way to see all available interfaces ? |
| 16:31.39 | mne | abrotman, when you told me that xgl is in unstable, you did mean that xorg in unstable has aiglx included, right ? i installed the nvidia beta drivers and turned on aiglx in my xorg config. seems to work, at least there are no errors. however, when running compiz, it fails with the error "glXBindTexImageEXT missing". any hints ? |
| 16:31.41 | abrotman | Heston: did you edit it by hand ? |
| 16:31.46 | thianyth | I have a little question, I'm using debian sarge and I'd like to use "module-assistant" but when I do "module-assistant prepare" kernel-headers are required but they are not in the "apt-cache search kernel-headers". I compiled my kernel (3 |
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| 16:31.50 | Elohimus | Is there a way to block a single IP from connecting to wu-ftp? |
| 16:31.52 | abrotman | mne: no .. i told you aiglx .. i said xgl is NOT in debian |
| 16:32.03 | Heston | abrotman, what else would i be edting it with? |
| 16:32.04 | thianyth | *2.6.18) with make-kpkg |
| 16:32.14 | wols | Elohimus: tcpwrappers |
| 16:32.15 | abrotman | Elohimus: iptables or hosts.deny |
| 16:32.16 | venger | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.21 | mne | abrotman, yep, but aiglx is in debian ;) |
| 16:32.31 | abrotman | Heston: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:32.32 | wols | !tell Elohimus about wu-ftpd |
| 16:32.37 | valdyn | mne: dpkg -l nvidia-glx | tail -1 |
| 16:32.38 | abrotman | mne: that's what i told you .. pay attention |
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| 16:32.55 | xingu | xirjs: oh pants, I've sold you a pup |
| 16:33.05 | abrotman | Heston: or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:33.09 | abrotman | !tell Heston about drxx |
| 16:33.10 | mne | abrotman, and that's what is running here now :) just compiz doesn't want to start .. |
| 16:33.12 | abrotman | !tell Heston about xorgmd5 |
| 16:33.13 | wols | xingu: ifconfig -a |
| 16:33.33 | abrotman | mne: does it maybe .. give an error ? |
| 16:33.37 | mne | valdyn, ii nvidia-glx 1.0.9625-1 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 16:33.45 | abrotman | oh ... and nvidia |
| 16:33.55 | wols | thianyth: then make the header package with kernel-package as well. of course they're not in apt archives. your kernel wasn't either |
| 16:34.08 | mne | abrotman, yep, i pasted in in here some lines above. the error is "glXBindTexImageEXT missing" |
| 16:34.14 | abrotman | ah |
| 16:34.14 | xingu | xirjs: you want "options ath_pci autocreate=ap" in /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi, and you then probably want to reboot |
| 16:34.41 | xingu | xirjs: wouldn't normally suggest a reboot but we probably need to clear any scrambled context that has built up so far |
| 16:34.52 | xirjs | xingu: ok, i do ... |
| 16:34.54 | xingu | xirjs: I left off the "options " bit of that before. |
| 16:35.02 | xingu | xirjs: it's quite important. :) |
| 16:35.07 | xingu | bad xingu, no cookie |
| 16:35.26 | edytt | isn't limewire open source and can compile in linux? |
| 16:35.26 | valdyn | mne: paste the output of 'glxinfo' |
| 16:35.30 | wols | if xingu doesn't get the cookie, maybe I could? |
| 16:35.30 | xingu | xirjs: whoops |
| 16:35.32 | abrotman | edytt: FFS .. use gtk-gnutella |
| 16:35.37 | xingu | xirjs: autocreate=sta too |
| 16:35.41 | xingu | xirjs: not =ap |
| 16:35.44 | edytt | yes but i want to know |
| 16:35.48 | abrotman | ask them |
| 16:35.52 | wols | Elohimus: is limewire in debian? |
| 16:35.58 | wols | edytt: is limewire in debian? |
| 16:36.10 | mne | valdyn, what was the address of that paste bin again ? |
| 16:36.16 | valdyn | !paste |
| 16:36.16 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:36.21 | mne | thx |
| 16:36.57 | mne | valdyn, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3981 |
| 16:37.24 | xingu | wols: fyi xirjs is bootstrapping an acx111; the driver for which is madwifi as you probably know, and which creates no netdev unless asked nicely |
| 16:37.25 | abrotman | direct rendering: no ? |
| 16:37.32 | valdyn | mne: 'direct rendering: No' should be 'Yes' |
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| 16:37.56 | valdyn | mne: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log at that site too |
| 16:38.08 | wols | xingu: I don't. but how do you use it if there is no netdev? |
| 16:38.10 | mne | abrotman, you're right ... guess there is something wrong with the nvidia stuff. I'm working on that |
| 16:38.15 | mne | valdyn, ok, mom |
| 16:38.23 | abrotman | valdyn: mom? |
| 16:38.39 | xingu | wols: you smack it about a bit; you either tell it to create one with a module option autocreate= or you use a bespoke, non-WE client "wlanconfig" |
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| 16:38.54 | Braindead | mom as in yo "momma"? |
| 16:38.56 | mne | valdyn, http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
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| 16:39.03 | abrotman | bad link! |
| 16:39.06 | valdyn | abrotman: 'moment' i guess |
| 16:39.11 | wols | xingu: stupid madwifi people. no cookies for them either |
| 16:39.21 | abrotman | valdyn: sure sure |
| 16:39.35 | xingu | wols: putting the mad into madwifi I guess |
| 16:39.37 | wols | valdyn: you just don't want him the next 18 years, right? |
| 16:39.54 | xingu | wols: softmodem people in general seem to have a particularly weird view of the world |
| 16:40.14 | mne | valdyn, sorry, gave you the wrong link. right one: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3982 |
| 16:40.19 | valdyn | mne: paste the real link.. |
| 16:40.50 | vin` | installing madwifi for me has been; m-a a-i madwifi-source; man 7 wireless |
| 16:41.05 | Heston | abrotman, that didnt work |
| 16:41.10 | abrotman | Heston: which didn't ? |
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| 16:41.18 | abrotman | Heston: what happens when you start X ? |
| 16:41.21 | Heston | dpkg-reconfig...blah blah |
| 16:41.43 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 16:41.43 | Heston | abrotman, X has been starting the whole time now, but the mouse doesnt work |
| 16:41.46 | Heston | yes |
| 16:41.59 | abrotman | Heston: when you cat /dev/ttyS0 ..and move the mouse .. you get junk right ? |
| 16:42.03 | xirjs | xingu: nothing ... |
| 16:42.05 | Heston | yes |
| 16:42.16 | abrotman | Heston: can you paste your X config somewhere? |
| 16:42.20 | abrotman | !paster |
| 16:42.20 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:42.21 | xirjs | also this small leds on the card dont do anything ... |
| 16:42.49 | Heston | abrotman, hmm, not anymore |
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| 16:42.59 | Heston | i was getting junk after i install setserial |
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| 16:43.12 | abrotman | Heston: did you load the mousedev module? |
| 16:43.15 | abrotman | lsmod |
| 16:43.41 | Heston | it's there appearently |
| 16:44.07 | vin` | xirjs: 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) (that's my dlink DWL-G650 |
| 16:44.14 | Heston | all this to get a serial mouse working... |
| 16:44.21 | abrotman | Heston: get a ps2 mouse! :) |
| 16:44.25 | valdyn | mne: which funny non-debian installers or packages did you play with? |
| 16:44.35 | Heston | abrotman, will you pay for it? |
| 16:44.42 | abrotman | Heston: dmesg say anything useful about your mouse ? |
| 16:44.44 | Heston | they are still like 20 bucks |
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| 16:44.45 | vin` | xirjs: and that shows up in lspci. |
| 16:44.52 | wols | thianyth: stop that! |
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| 16:44.56 | wols | !tell thianyth about msg |
| 16:45.21 | lunitik | Heston: 20 for a mouse? you can get optical mice for like 5 at fry's :/ |
| 16:45.23 | usn | hi folx |
| 16:45.25 | wols | thianyth: and I already told you how to solve it |
| 16:45.31 | Heston | abrotman, only thing i see related to mice is "mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" |
| 16:45.32 | mne | valdyn, actually all my installed packages are from debian repositories. |
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| 16:45.54 | mne | valdyn, did you find anything wrong ?? |
| 16:46.04 | valdyn | mne: ok, try glxinfo as root ( using sudo or sux ), check if that enables direct rendering |
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| 16:46.34 | abrotman | Heston: woohoo .. but not useful .. that's from loading mousedev probably |
| 16:46.52 | mne | valdyn, no, still no direct rendering ;( |
| 16:46.52 | valdyn | mne: using 'su' wont do this, so dont bother... |
| 16:47.01 | Elohimus | iptables -I INPUT -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -j DROP doesn't isn't blocking all packets coming from the IP address. After running the command do I need to restart anything? |
| 16:47.01 | giorgian | hi. today i've manually upgraded many packages with apt-get install, without problem; now i'm trying to apt-get upgrade, but i got lots of: W: not in gzip format: libhttp-access2-ruby1.8 (or similar); i saw that there's a bug report on apt-listbugs, which seems to be closed now, so i installed apt-listbugs/unstable, but now, apt-get upgrade gives me: E: no block given |
| 16:47.02 | thianyth | wols, sorry, I didn't see you answer, I scrolled up, it is ok ;) |
| 16:47.04 | Heston | abrotman, i figured so |
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| 16:47.15 | Octoberdan | How would I search through all the files in a directory and its sub directory for a file containing a certain phrase and then get a list of the results? I've seen it done, but I keep forgeting how to do it. I think I'll blog it this time... |
| 16:47.18 | valdyn | mne: ls -l /dev/agpgart |
| 16:47.26 | abrotman | Heston: see if you run setserial again if it helps |
| 16:47.33 | mne | valdyn, crw-rw---- 1 root video 10, 175 2006-10-08 17:48 /dev/agpgart |
| 16:47.37 | wols | Octoberdan: man grep |
| 16:47.42 | Heston | abrotman, already tried that |
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| 16:48.18 | valdyn | mne: i dont remember if NVAgp='3' will set this to use kernel or nvidia agp support |
| 16:48.22 | abrotman | Heston: nothing? |
| 16:48.27 | abrotman | Heston: is sermouse loaded ? |
| 16:48.27 | Heston | nothing |
| 16:48.32 | Heston | lsmod? |
| 16:48.36 | mne | valdyn, I'll have a look |
| 16:48.50 | Heston | yes, its under lsmod |
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| 16:49.12 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:49.33 | abrotman | lunitik: your sense of adventure sucks :_) |
| 16:49.48 | abrotman | lunitik: don't you have to prepare to watch the cardinals lose ? |
| 16:49.53 | mne | valdyn, NvAGP=3 tries AGPGART. if that fails it tries nvagp |
| 16:50.00 | lunitik | abrotman: hahah... adventure to me is going into the desert on a dirt bike... just to see what you find |
| 16:50.17 | lunitik | abrotman: American Football sucks |
| 16:50.33 | Heston | serial mice suck |
| 16:50.34 | abrotman | lunitik: you only say that because all the teams near you suck |
| 16:50.56 | lunitik | abrotman: naw... I just think its Rugby for girls with all that padding :/ |
| 16:51.12 | lunitik | and the constant start stop of the game makes it hard to get into :/ |
| 16:51.17 | abrotman | says the guy sitting on the couch |
| 16:51.19 | valdyn | mne: k, alright, thats no issue then |
| 16:51.50 | lunitik | abrotman: says the guy that used to play Rugby* |
| 16:51.57 | abrotman | and doesn't anymore |
| 16:51.59 | xingu | xirjs: just skimming some stuff here, still here but reading. |
| 16:52.07 | nyquide | hi folks... does anyone knows why the ntpdate package is missing its corresponding init.d startup script on unstable? |
| 16:52.13 | lunitik | abrotman: I have... but hard to find a game in the US |
| 16:52.19 | mne | valdyn, I'll try if direct rendering works if I turn off the AIGLX option... |
| 16:52.21 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 16:52.29 | lunitik | abrotman: I play like 2-3 times a year here... |
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| 16:52.32 | abrotman | nyquide: bts ? |
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| 16:52.43 | valdyn | mne: that shouldnt make the difference |
| 16:52.51 | valdyn | mne: i do use your setup, basically |
| 16:53.02 | abrotman | Heston: mdetect help at all ? |
| 16:53.07 | mne | valdyn, and it works for you ?? |
| 16:53.08 | lunitik | abrotman: where I live... I have to go like an hour away to reliably find a game |
| 16:53.32 | valdyn | mne: your system is using the 'sgi glx client' where it should use the one by nvidia, im not clear as to which file is responsible for that |
| 16:53.34 | abrotman | poor you .. if you liked it .. you'd do it .. my brother flies all over the west to play frisbee |
| 16:53.36 | Heston | abrotman....not installed and i dont have a switch for the internet at the moment |
| 16:53.50 | abrotman | doh! |
| 16:53.51 | lunitik | abrotman: I do it for Soccer... heh |
| 16:53.52 | xingu | xirjs: oh; and now I'm a total pratt; this is not a madwifi/TI card at all; actually, you need acx100 |
| 16:54.01 | abrotman | lunitik: then quit whining .. just do it |
| 16:54.09 | lunitik | abrotman: or as I like to call it: Football with your feet :) |
| 16:54.09 | mne | valdyn, where do you see this ? |
| 16:54.14 | Heston | im int he middle of building it actually |
| 16:54.17 | valdyn | mne: 18:54 < lunitik> abrotman: or as I like to call it: Football with your feet :) |
| 16:54.26 | abrotman | uhm ? |
| 16:54.33 | lunitik | abrotman: I don't like soccer enough really... |
| 16:54.42 | lunitik | Rugby enough* |
| 16:54.49 | valdyn | mne: 'client glx vendor string: SGI' vs mine: client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 16:55.01 | xingu | xirjs: so feel free to prune the madwifi package and module you've just carefully built; dpkg tells us both that a place to start is here... http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php |
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| 16:55.24 | abrotman | Heston: it might help you a good bit |
| 16:55.28 | abrotman | !info mdetect etch |
| 16:55.34 | dpkg | mdetect: (mouse device autodetection tool), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 16:55.37 | nyquide | abrotman, never mind... just figured out that know ntpdate is run when the inet interface is set up, which looks good... thanx anyway |
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| 16:55.55 | xingu | xirjs: my mistake; but you will have better luck with acx100 once you get through that lot. |
| 16:56.04 | Heston | abrotman...alright then, if this doesnt work, i give up |
| 16:56.15 | abrotman | Heston: you can't give up! |
| 16:56.49 | edytt | someone have time to help me with my sound? any mods I could try 'modprobe' ? lol on my last computer, all I had to do was modprobe sb and my sound worked |
| 16:57.11 | mne | valdyn, you're right. guess that's the problem. however, I don't know from where this comes from. my nvidia glx stuff is from the nvidia-glx package (experimental repository, the newest nvidia beta drivers with texture from pixmap support( |
| 16:57.17 | valdyn | mne: i would redo the X config and start with a clean xorg.conf |
| 16:57.28 | valdyn | mne: i have no idea how xinerama might interfere |
| 16:57.36 | mne | valdyn, ok, I'll try that |
| 16:57.56 | rawtaz_ | anyone knows what the problem is when i get "striped: Required device-mapper target(s) not detected in your kernel" when trying to make a logical volume in LVM during the install of sarge on sparc, using businesscard installer? |
| 16:58.20 | mne | valdyn, in which package is the glx client stuff ? i guess in the xserver-xorg ? |
| 16:58.24 | valdyn | mne: the nvidia packages seem to be just fine |
| 16:58.40 | valdyn | mne: no, nvidia-glx |
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| 17:00.40 | mne | valdyn, hmm, than I don't understand where the SGi stuff comes from. I'll reboot (I installed quite a lot, maybe some other package/version did interfere). then I'll reinstall nvidia-glx and start off with a blank minimal xorg.conf. thank you for helping. now that I know what's wrong, I can work on it |
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| 17:01.03 | edytt | any ideas? |
| 17:01.10 | valdyn | mne: it already comes when direct rendering is not allowed or not possible, it may indicate a wrong config, but not a wrong install |
| 17:01.15 | Heston | abrotman, hmm, for whatever reason, it came up under /dev/psaux |
| 17:01.22 | abrotman | Heston: yay ? :) |
| 17:01.26 | Heston | maybe |
| 17:01.28 | abrotman | Heston: you can try that for X .. that's just weird |
| 17:01.31 | Heston | starting up x now |
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| 17:02.09 | mne | valdyn, so just starting off with a minimal blank xorg.conf should do it ? I'll try |
| 17:02.11 | Elohimus | iptables -I INPUT -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -j DROP doesn't isn't blocking all packets coming from the IP address. After running the command do I need to restart anything? |
| 17:02.19 | Heston | damn...maybe i need to use that dpkg_reconfigure script again |
| 17:02.25 | Heston | editing it by hand didnt work |
| 17:02.35 | valdyn | mne: possibly, you can still have a fucked install, but SGI just doesnt indicate that |
| 17:02.43 | Heston | perhaps the xorg.conf didnt have the right driver |
| 17:02.58 | abrotman | Heston: and the /msg dpkg xorgmd5 |
| 17:03.03 | Heston | but wait, the dpkg-reconfigure didnt fix it last time |
| 17:03.07 | Heston | why would it now |
| 17:03.15 | abrotman | Elohimus: ask #iptables |
| 17:03.23 | abrotman | Heston: you're not supposed to edit that file by hand |
| 17:03.23 | Heston | this is ridiculous |
| 17:03.25 | mne | valdyn, the funny thing is that I tried an old xorg.conf (which alwas worked for direct rendering) and there is the same problem. however, i changed the nvidia driver ... |
| 17:03.35 | Heston | abrotman, on every other OS you are... |
| 17:03.49 | Heston | never had a problem then |
| 17:03.55 | abrotman | Heston: it's fun! |
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| 17:04.08 | Heston | i already dislike that script |
| 17:04.27 | mne | valdyn, I could try a blank xorg.conf generated with that nvidia tool. i guess this would make wrong nvidia options improbable |
| 17:04.44 | valdyn | mne: yea |
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| 17:05.06 | Heston | knoppix uses this mouse fine...wth is this |
| 17:05.19 | mne | valdyn, thank you for helping. I've to restart my x-server now ... |
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| 17:05.57 | dasunt | Quick question -- under debian stable, for a simple webserver with a public IP, is there any reason to run portmap or statd? |
| 17:06.07 | tarzeau | dasunt: no |
| 17:06.09 | dasunt | There's no NFS mounts. |
| 17:06.16 | dasunt | Good, thought so. |
| 17:06.19 | tarzeau | dasunt: you want to read !harden-doc |
| 17:06.24 | abrotman | valdyn: are you running 2.16 from exp ? |
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| 17:06.52 | Heston | abrotman, do you think i should be using the ExplorerPS/2 mouse protcol? |
| 17:06.55 | dasunt | tarzeau: Thanks. |
| 17:07.07 | abrotman | Heston: do you have a wheel ? |
| 17:07.07 | tarzeau | Heston: mouse doesn't work? |
| 17:07.07 | Heston | protocol even |
| 17:07.19 | Heston | abrotman, nope |
| 17:07.27 | Heston | tarzeau, it doesnt |
| 17:07.28 | abrotman | then no |
| 17:07.34 | dasunt | Okay, now I'm down to apache2 and ssh listening to the network. :D |
| 17:07.41 | Heston | ImPS/2 then? |
| 17:07.53 | abrotman | probably just PS/2 |
| 17:07.53 | tarzeau | Heston: hehe i know about this problem |
| 17:07.57 | tarzeau | Heston: usb or ps/2? |
| 17:08.04 | dasunt | Not that it will matter, since this should be behind a firewall, but I like layers of security. :D |
| 17:08.05 | zinx | better question - is it /dev/input/mice |
| 17:08.06 | Heston | tarzeau, serial :) |
| 17:08.17 | tarzeau | Heston: haha :) |
| 17:08.28 | Heston | zinx, the mouse is only detected under /dev/psaux |
| 17:08.43 | zinx | /dev/psaux is ps/2, what kernel are you using? |
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| 17:08.50 | Heston | and reads as an intellimouse |
| 17:09.02 | abrotman | zinx: 2.6.16 .. loaded mousedev and sermouse .. thinks it is on /dev/psaux |
| 17:09.10 | zinx | abrotman: oh, interesting |
| 17:09.19 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 17:09.21 | zinx | abrotman: and not at all on /dev/input/mice? |
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| 17:09.30 | abrotman | apparentl ynot |
| 17:09.33 | abrotman | he used mdetect to find it |
| 17:09.36 | zinx | the kernel emulates an ExplorerPS/2 device on /dev/input/mice, and i thought /dev/psaux was deprecated |
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| 17:10.32 | Heston | ill try restarting X with just the PS/2 protocol |
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| 17:10.47 | zinx | Heston: use ImPS/2 or if that doesn't work, ExplorerPS/2 |
| 17:10.55 | abrotman | zinx: why not auto?! |
| 17:11.06 | zinx | abrotman: well, i assumed it wasn't working with that :/ |
| 17:11.06 | Heston | its an old Dell Optiplex |
| 17:11.13 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 17:11.38 | Heston | dell is crap i know, but i like these little things |
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| 17:11.54 | Klavier | how can i reconfigure my network settings with gui ? |
| 17:12.00 | Klavier | iam using debian 3.1 |
| 17:12.02 | Heston | ok...that didnt work |
| 17:12.07 | Heston | ill try Im then |
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| 17:12.59 | abrotman | dasunt: did you start crying ? |
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| 17:13.23 | Heston | windows SBS? |
| 17:13.37 | abrotman | Small Business Server |
| 17:13.41 | Klavier | modprobe i810_audio is enough for configuration of my ac 97 sound card? |
| 17:13.43 | Heston | oh |
| 17:13.58 | Heston | must be crap |
| 17:14.28 | dasunt | Yah, SBS 2003 in my case. |
| 17:14.35 | Heston | i tried windows server 2003 once...what a bloated hunk of garbage |
| 17:14.37 | abrotman | it's like .. a pile of win32 apps piled on |
| 17:14.41 | dasunt | Which I still get to administer, but on an IBM zSeries now. So that's slightly better. |
| 17:14.52 | jelly-home | Heston: it's nice when you clean it up. |
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| 17:16.19 | Heston | trying the last mouse protocol that's left |
| 17:16.36 | zoldar | did anybody managed to apply linux-patch-openswan including nat-t patch in debian unstable ? is there any nat-t patch that would work with stable 2.4 kernel? |
| 17:16.47 | Heston | i should try cat /dev/psaux then |
| 17:17.10 | zinx | Heston: wait.. is it doing anything at all when you move the mouse? |
| 17:17.18 | zinx | Heston: /dev/psaux exists even if there is no ps2 mouse |
| 17:17.24 | benjamindees | Heston, yeah try that; I have similar problems |
| 17:17.31 | zinx | Heston: it's a kernel-emulated device |
| 17:17.33 | benjamindees | Heston, what kernel version are you using? |
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| 17:17.48 | abrotman | 2.6.16 |
| 17:18.07 | Heston | auto didnt work |
| 17:18.13 | benjamindees | try cat /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice first of all |
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| 17:18.36 | benjamindees | if one of those doesn't work, nothing else will |
| 17:18.45 | abrotman | it's a serial mouse |
| 17:18.49 | Heston | nothing from either :/ |
| 17:18.57 | Klavier | where can i find xmms debian package? |
| 17:18.58 | Klavier | :( |
| 17:19.12 | Heston | apt-cache search xmms? |
| 17:19.20 | Daveman | abrotman :) |
| 17:19.27 | benjamindees | oh, a serial mouse :-/ |
| 17:19.57 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 17:20.45 | abrotman | Heston: what does mdetect say now ? |
| 17:21.34 | Heston | /dev/psaux intellimouse |
| 17:21.34 | abrotman | i'm trying ot find hte possible values |
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| 17:21.58 | Heston | hey, cat /dev/ttyS0 works now |
| 17:22.09 | abrotman | ok .. this is getting weird |
| 17:22.10 | cat | i do? |
| 17:22.12 | abrotman | i blame the cat |
| 17:22.17 | venger | why does ssh from a lan client break if I set ALL: 192.X.X.X/24 (internal access) in hosts.allow then set ALL:ALL in hosts.deny? I thought it would match hosts.allow first and disregard hosts.deny ? |
| 17:22.21 | Heston | thanks a lot cat |
| 17:22.27 | cat | any time, |
| 17:22.29 | abrotman | Heston: does X work ? |
| 17:22.58 | cat | my ($server, $target, $nick) = @_; if ( my $ref = delete $last_message{$server->{tag}}{$target}{$nick} ) { @{$ref} = (); ;D |
| 17:22.59 | Heston | X works, mouse doesnt, but xorg is still set at /dev/psaux |
| 17:23.01 | abrotman | ah .. that's no good |
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| 17:24.14 | dreamind | hi |
| 17:24.36 | dreamind | anybody knows a way, I can have a local version of the /etc/services file, so I don't get bothered on every update? |
| 17:24.52 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 17:25.08 | abrotman | are you changing it ? |
| 17:25.09 | wols | dreamind: you have your own /etc/services. if not something is very wrong |
| 17:25.11 | dreamind | because I need to have local modifications of the services (some added entries), and I don't want to get asked on every update concerning /etc/services. |
| 17:25.21 | dreamind | wols: I sure can. |
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| 17:25.34 | dreamind | wols: but the point is, I don't want to get asked about it by dpkg. |
| 17:25.37 | ahlfors | get an international standards body to approve your new services? |
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| 17:25.48 | dreamind | wols: I want the debian changes to be applied, and my own changes to be preserved. |
| 17:25.56 | Armend | i have one problem |
| 17:26.07 | Heston | I FIXED THE MOUSE |
| 17:26.18 | Armend | <Armend> hi all |
| 17:26.19 | Armend | <Armend> can u help me |
| 17:26.19 | Armend | <Armend> have one problem |
| 17:26.19 | Armend | <Armend> compiling TRE regex library |
| 17:26.19 | Armend | <Armend> ./configure: line 10005: make: command not found |
| 17:26.19 | Armend | <Armend> installing TRE regex library |
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| 17:26.36 | Heston | who knows if it will work after reboot |
| 17:26.39 | wols | !tell armend about b-e |
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| 17:27.12 | hjubal | I have to add rdonald's key with apt.. where can I find his key? |
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| 17:27.45 | wols | Armend: hs dpkg msged you the solution? |
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| 17:28.57 | Armend | wols:ok |
| 17:29.04 | Heston | abrotman, thanks for your time |
| 17:29.13 | Heston | and everyone else who helped |
| 17:29.13 | abrotman | Heston: does it work? |
| 17:29.34 | Heston | abrotman, it was working yes, rebooting now to see if it still does |
| 17:29.38 | blondie | wtf |
| 17:29.39 | blondie | oh |
| 17:29.46 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 17:30.58 | Heston | yay still works |
| 17:31.09 | Heston | and xorg is back to /dev/ttyS0.... |
| 17:31.15 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:31.19 | Heston | thought the protocol is at auto |
| 17:31.23 | Heston | which might of helped |
| 17:31.49 | Heston | it only took an hour :p |
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| 17:33.18 | abrotman | now you know why noone uses serial devices anymore :) |
| 17:33.45 | xingu | um |
| 17:33.49 | wols | how can I check if some ethernet interface has errors? on transmission which ould lowe its speed? I have a 2MBit DSL, DSM modem says I'm connected at 2,3MBit brutto. but any speedtest only gives mi 900kbit |
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| 17:34.14 | xingu | uSb, Sata, Sas, ... |
| 17:34.34 | PDani_ | how can i tar a filesystem preserving the modes, owners, access dates, and stuff? |
| 17:34.41 | xingu | wols: directly attached or from a distance? |
| 17:34.58 | YouCeyE | i used grub-reboot option.. from them my X wont start automatically |
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| 17:35.14 | benjamindees | PDani_, tar does that by default |
| 17:35.16 | wols | xingu: ~4m |
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| 17:35.26 | YouCeyE | how can i get X start automatically? |
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| 17:35.43 | xingu | wols: not physical; is the interface you want to measure local to a system you control? |
| 17:35.50 | wols | xingu: yes |
| 17:35.53 | MatBoy | can I wget a url without placing the files in the same directory structure but place everything in one folder ? |
| 17:36.00 | benjamindees | PDani_, tar -cf file.tar directory |
| 17:36.31 | xingu | wols: ifconfig or proc/net/dev have the 802.3 counters |
| 17:36.46 | abrotman | wols: ifconfig -a will show errors |
| 17:36.52 | wols | xingu: no errors there. well 60 for a few weeks of uptime |
| 17:36.59 | lunitik | YouCeyE: install {x,g,k}dm ... or entrance |
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| 17:37.05 | xingu | wols: it's not link-layer then |
| 17:37.18 | wols | so it's not me it seems |
| 17:37.20 | YouCeyE | lunitik, i already have kdm |
| 17:37.26 | xingu | wols: netstat -s for transport layer |
| 17:37.27 | lunitik | YouCeyE: or write a start up script that does 'startx' I suppose... |
| 17:37.28 | YouCeyE | strangely, it says kdm running |
| 17:37.37 | PDani_ | thx |
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| 17:37.53 | YouCeyE | i have to restart kdm to get things working |
| 17:37.54 | lunitik | YouCeyE: it should start automagically... /var/log/Xorg.0.log tell you why it didn't? |
| 17:38.14 | wols | well, it's a 10MBit link and the speed expected woult be 2Mbit. so there should be plenty of redundancy left |
| 17:38.29 | Shinku | I can't get +v in #freenode-social so I'll have to say it here. Guys I've been away and I just got an email saying about lilo and that he died. This a practical joke right? This can't be true |
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| 17:38.48 | xingu | wols: is your physical media twisted pair or thinnet? |
| 17:39.09 | ahlfors | ppl still use thinnet? |
| 17:39.14 | wols | twisted |
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| 17:39.32 | benjamindees | Shinku, http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/16/2152243&from=rss |
| 17:39.42 | Shinku | No! No no no! |
| 17:39.47 | Shinku | That is so sad |
| 17:39.49 | Shinku | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:40.19 | xingu | wols: 10base full-duplex was not originally part of any spec but rather a hack that came to be circa 802.3u; if you're running full-duplex your peer might have different ideas about things and you wouldn't necessarily see a thing. |
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| 17:41.20 | xingu | wols: is this a point-to-point link between two hosts, or is there a switch in between? |
| 17:41.22 | wols | xingu: it "works" find. just at only half the speed. |
| 17:41.44 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - is installing ftpd enough to have an ftp server running? are there any conf file that I need to edit? also is there a better way to set up a ftp server? |
| 17:41.46 | wols | I changed from 1Mbit to 2Mbit recently and since then. I just want to remove all possibilities fo my end causing the problem |
| 17:42.06 | xingu | aah I see |
| 17:42.07 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: don't use ftp unless you have to |
| 17:42.09 | wols | it looks like the telco didn't switch the DSL port or whatever |
| 17:42.22 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: what then? |
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| 17:43.00 | abrotman | scp or sftp |
| 17:43.15 | Elohimus | There a way to figure out which programs have created listening sockets? |
| 17:43.28 | xingu | Elohimus: lsof |
| 17:43.28 | wols | Elohimus: netstat -a |
| 17:43.44 | Sirius_Black | ok abrotman - i'll install sftp but are there any files that I need to edit? |
| 17:43.46 | Braindead | Elohimus: fuser (to add a third option) |
| 17:44.11 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: depends on your needs |
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| 17:44.15 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: there doesnt seam to be an sftp package |
| 17:44.30 | abrotman | there isn't |
| 17:44.48 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: yeah I have installed ssh |
| 17:45.19 | abrotman | apt-cache search sftp |
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| 17:50.58 | xingu | Braindead: unless I'm especially thick today, I think fuser can only show established sockets? |
| 17:51.08 | grendal_prime | anyone else use acidrip? |
| 17:51.17 | grendal_prime | i got this issue where it will not read a menu |
| 17:51.23 | xingu | Braindead: just trying it locally and the only match I can get is for a connected socket |
| 17:51.34 | rhsanborn | Anyone have a preference for bittorrent clients that are available via apt-get? |
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| 17:51.54 | grendal_prime | acutally...a disk it just does not get the track list. it uses lsdvd, and when i run that it finds it fin |
| 17:51.56 | grendal_prime | fine |
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| 17:52.27 | Braindead | xingu: nope,try fuser -v $port/tcp |
| 17:52.37 | Zarephath | Anyone heard of a wiki or HOWTO that explains how to get multisync to sync with a PocketPC running Mobile 5 OS? Dell Axim v51 |
| 17:52.51 | PDani_ | benjamindees: and when i extract it, should i use any special parameter? |
| 17:53.00 | xingu | Braindead: hrm, it's not matching for example sshd here |
| 17:53.20 | xingu | Braindead: and that is most definitely listening; what it does match, is postgres, to which I presently have a client connection also |
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| 17:54.43 | Braindead | xingu: nope,it works. open a port with netcat and see |
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| 17:54.56 | Braindead | (I checked just to be sure) |
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| 17:55.14 | mne | valdyn, back. i had no success at all. that glx client vendor string is still SGI, I don't know where that comes from ;(( |
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| 17:55.28 | abrotman | !Nvidia one-liner |
| 17:55.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 17:56.05 | benjamindees | PDani_, tar -xf file.tar |
| 17:56.30 | valdyn | mne: have you rebooted in the process at all? |
| 17:56.40 | mne | valdyn, yep |
| 17:57.03 | mne | valdyn, i even reinstalled xorg and nvidia-glx. |
| 17:57.22 | mne | valdyn, and the config I'm using is a blank minimal config generated with that nvidia tool |
| 17:57.44 | valdyn | mne: should be ok, except that you might require root to use direct rendering, i dont know that |
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| 17:58.22 | mne | valdyn, but the glx client vendor string is still SGI and not nvidia ;(( |
| 17:59.12 | valdyn | mne: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade wants to do anything with X package(s) ? |
| 17:59.38 | mne | valdyn, no, I'm currently up to date |
| 18:00.05 | dings_ | Where should I read about "Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)", when the module modprobes fine? |
| 18:00.28 | valdyn | dings_: that module is an X module, not a kernel module |
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| 18:00.38 | abrotman | i'm a dork |
| 18:00.42 | blondie | o.o |
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| 18:00.45 | dings_ | me, to it seems |
| 18:00.50 | mne | valdyn, I did also try to revert back to the old nvidia drivers (which are now running). same issue |
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| 18:01.53 | tuv | dings_, install nvidia-glx to get the X nvidia module |
| 18:01.59 | dings_ | valdyn: thanks, any pointers to go with that? (sid, xorg, nvidia-legacy) |
| 18:02.43 | valdyn | mne: btw, is the 'xorg' package installed? |
| 18:02.59 | mne | valdyn, yep |
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| 18:05.23 | dings_ | tuv: thanks, I wonder hos it got lost.. |
| 18:05.38 | dings_ | valdyn: thanks, nevermind |
| 18:05.58 | valdyn | mne: somewhere some file is wrong or some wrong file used for whatever obscure reason |
| 18:06.09 | valdyn | mne: can you paste the output of 'ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo' |
| 18:06.21 | mne | valdyn, yep |
| 18:07.06 | mne | valdyn, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3983 |
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| 18:09.20 | valdyn | mne: ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 18:09.45 | mne | valdyn, /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2 |
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| 18:10.14 | valdyn | mne: ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 18:10.21 | langner | hi - I just installed debian etch on my laptop, and I have problems with xorg - can someone try to help me? |
| 18:10.42 | wols | !tell langner about ask |
| 18:10.43 | mne | valdyn, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 413376 2005-04-05 18:06 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 18:11.00 | vin` | langner: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for EE (ie. errors) |
| 18:11.01 | valdyn | mne: ok, that is fucked up, ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 18:11.18 | valdyn | mne: and follow that symlink if it is one |
| 18:11.22 | abrotman | doesn't nvidia move all kinds of stuff aorund ? |
| 18:11.28 | abrotman | langner: problems of what sort ? |
| 18:11.41 | wols | abrotman: all it did for me was putting its libs in the wrong place. X wouldn't even start |
| 18:11.46 | langner | I am now using the vesa driver, in XFREE86 used i810, but that doesn't work now |
| 18:11.48 | abrotman | yay! :) |
| 18:11.57 | valdyn | abrotman: hes using the debian installer which has no business in /usr/X11R6/lib/ |
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| 18:12.01 | grendal_prime | abrotman, you use acidrip at all? |
| 18:12.01 | wols | after I put it to the proper places, no more problems (sid, latest nvidia isntaller from nvidia.com) |
| 18:12.03 | valdyn | abrotman: debian packages even |
| 18:12.10 | abrotman | grendal_prime: i use jack .. |
| 18:12.18 | grendal_prime | jack? really |
| 18:12.21 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 18:12.23 | abrotman | valdyn: wait .. was mne the one that wanted rdonalds key ? |
| 18:12.27 | wols | langner: i810 |
| 18:12.28 | abrotman | grendal_prime: not jackd .. i use jack |
| 18:12.30 | abrotman | !info jack etch |
| 18:12.31 | langner | so i have X, but only with the vesa driver |
| 18:12.33 | dpkg | jack: (Rip and encode CDs with one command), section sound, is optional. Version: 3.1.1+cvs20050801-12 (etch), Packaged size: 142 kB, Installed size: 660 kB |
| 18:12.37 | abrotman | langner: lspci | grep vga |
| 18:12.38 | valdyn | abrotman: oh, no idea |
| 18:12.39 | abrotman | erm |
| 18:12.41 | valdyn | mne: there? |
| 18:12.43 | abrotman | langner: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 18:12.46 | mne | valdyn, /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.0.8774. 8774 is the version I'm currently using. |
| 18:12.47 | jetscreamer | !info jackd |
| 18:12.51 | mne | valdyn, no, that wans't me ;) |
| 18:12.52 | dpkg | jackd: (JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients)), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.101.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 97 kB, Installed size: 324 kB |
| 18:13.00 | abrotman | jetscreamer: they're different htings |
| 18:13.09 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:13.16 | valdyn | mne: ok, you have old cruft in /usr/X11R6/lib/, that has no business being there |
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| 18:13.31 | valdyn | mne: rm /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.* |
| 18:13.40 | grendal_prime | that does videos? |
| 18:13.57 | langner | lspci doesn't work - what package is that in? |
| 18:14.05 | mne | valdyn, ok |
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| 18:14.14 | jetscreamer | pciutils or something |
| 18:14.23 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 18:14.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 18:14.40 | valdyn | mne: run 'ldconfig', try glxinfo, paste the new output of ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo if you still have no direct rendering |
| 18:14.47 | langner | thanks :) |
| 18:14.52 | valdyn | mne: eating now, might be back later |
| 18:14.59 | RudBlkm | newbie question i m trying to add a ext3 partition on my drive ( already a fat32 on it) |
| 18:15.07 | wols | langner: pciutils |
| 18:15.09 | mne | valdyn, thanks again. |
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| 18:15.21 | enouf | wow .. I forgot all about 'jack' |
| 18:15.24 | RudBlkm | i ve used cfdisk to add a logical one |
| 18:15.29 | wols | RudBlkm: add to or replace the fat32 partition? |
| 18:15.31 | abrotman | mkfs ? |
| 18:15.36 | wols | ah, k |
| 18:15.42 | RudBlkm | what is the correct mkfs typo to format the partition? |
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| 18:15.55 | RudBlkm | wols> add to |
| 18:16.00 | jetscreamer | mke2fs -j |
| 18:16.02 | wols | RudBlkm: -t ext3 should work |
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| 18:16.43 | RudBlkm | mkfs -V -t ext3 /dev/hdax ?? |
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| 18:16.49 | langner | OK, lspci | grep -i vga gives me: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) |
| 18:16.54 | langner | what driver is that? |
| 18:17.15 | zinosat | hi, I've some foo.partN.rar files and a foo.par file; don't know how to properly reassemble thos into one unique rar file |
| 18:17.30 | RudBlkm | <jetscreamer> mke2fs -j >?? what the difference with the mkfs command? |
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| 18:17.49 | vin` | langner: i810, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 18:18.15 | unstable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:18.29 | langner | yes, I used i810 in xfree86, but now in xorg in etch it jsut gives me a blank screen |
| 18:18.44 | jetscreamer | it adds a journal |
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| 18:18.55 | jetscreamer | ext3 is nothing but ext2 with a journal |
| 18:19.01 | abrotman | langner: that should also work .. i believe i have the same one |
| 18:19.07 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 18:19.11 | abrotman | and i'm on etch |
| 18:19.14 | wols | langner: paste your xorg log |
| 18:19.17 | enouf | unstable : clarify that quesrtion please |
| 18:19.18 | abrotman | oh .. i have rev01! |
| 18:19.21 | vin` | abrotman: using vesa? |
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| 18:19.29 | abrotman | vin`: eh .. no .. and my dri works :) |
| 18:19.53 | vin` | langner: so why won't i810 load? what black screen? |
| 18:20.03 | jetscreamer | i don't even have to tell the nvidiainstaller where the kernel headers are anymore |
| 18:20.09 | jetscreamer | just have em |
| 18:20.15 | jetscreamer | that and pkg-config |
| 18:20.31 | langner | I don't have the bad log now, because I'm running on vesa :) I thnk I messed something up in xorg.conf |
| 18:21.02 | langner | should I go and get that log and come back? |
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| 18:21.15 | RudBlkm | <jetscreamer> you think i should use ext2 ( kernel 2.4 on damnsmall linux |
| 18:21.15 | vin` | langner: /msg dpkg xorgmd5 |
| 18:21.24 | unstable | enouf: What is all the talk on planet.debian.net ? http://blog.windfluechter.net/?q=node/140 |
| 18:21.29 | langner | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.38 | unstable | People are saying debian is non-free because of tmpfs? |
| 18:21.42 | jetscreamer | what's wrong with ext3 |
| 18:21.48 | abrotman | unstable: no .. you can't read |
| 18:21.59 | wols | !tell langner about xorgmd5 |
| 18:22.13 | langner | oh, ok :) |
| 18:22.33 | RudBlkm | sorry i think i ve just misunderstood what you were trying to telle me (<jetscreamer> ext3 is nothing but ext2 with a journal) |
| 18:22.40 | langner | I'll try that first... |
| 18:23.05 | unstable | abrotman: http://blog.windfluechter.net/?q=node/140 |
| 18:23.23 | abrotman | unstable: i read it .. your comprehension skills suck |
| 18:23.24 | jetscreamer | RudBlkm: no just explaining why the command says mke2fs |
| 18:23.30 | enouf | unstable: no clue ... don't pay attention to it |
| 18:23.33 | nima | I just realize something |
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| 18:23.42 | unstable | He is talking about freedom of choice? |
| 18:23.42 | enouf | I didn't read it |
| 18:23.55 | abrotman | yes |
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| 18:24.00 | unstable | I've never seen "freedom of choice" used in that context. sorry |
| 18:24.01 | RudBlkm | wols & jetscreamer> Tx |
| 18:24.03 | nima | Everyone here is familiar with the Firefox vs. Debian name thing? |
| 18:24.08 | unstable | It seems like he's implying tmpfs is non-free |
| 18:24.15 | unstable | That's ridiculous..heh |
| 18:24.18 | abrotman | unstable: "Being forced into non-freeness of choice by Debian packages" |
| 18:24.19 | jetscreamer | everything depends on udev it seems, or hal |
| 18:24.20 | nima | The debian logo is non-free too! |
| 18:24.21 | langner | OK, I'm going to try it out... I'll be back |
| 18:24.21 | abrotman | wtf does that mean ? |
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| 18:24.38 | unstable | I've never seen non-free used in that context, seems silly. you're right abrotman |
| 18:24.42 | jetscreamer | yeah why did they rename firefox the db |
| 18:24.46 | abrotman | unstable: he "has lost the freeness of choice" because some kde thing requires udev |
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| 18:25.32 | wols | baroni: wonder what he says to that abomination named libc6 he now has to use. and Xorg! |
| 18:25.40 | wols | we're all doomed! |
| 18:25.55 | abrotman | you can't deny it .. blind lemon jefferson is the best! |
| 18:26.38 | unstable | jetscreamer: American Trademark law |
| 18:26.51 | abrotman | not quite |
| 18:26.57 | abrotman | !Iceweasel |
| 18:26.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 18:27.00 | dasunt | wols: Can't he use one of the libc alternatives? |
| 18:27.15 | jetscreamer | gay |
| 18:27.27 | unstable | jetscreamer: Debian does the same thing with it's trademarks. |
| 18:27.30 | dasunt | I like the term 'iceweasel'. |
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| 18:28.44 | enouf | abrotman: since we're on this 'non-free' thing .. do you know anything about 'gnu'bians being upset with deb b/c supposedly the Deb kernel contains a certain amt of wireless(?) firmware(?) and perhpas others - that's proprietary code? |
| 18:29.04 | grendal_prime | so jack will do video? |
| 18:29.17 | abrotman | enouf: the firmware |
| 18:29.19 | langner | OK, I'm back... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg did not save the changes, it said: "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized" |
| 18:29.24 | unstable | enouf: If by gnu'bians RMS, he's been upset ever since non-free branch existed in Debian. |
| 18:29.40 | unstable | He "can't recommend Debian" to people because of this non-free branch. |
| 18:29.51 | unstable | He recommends some south american fork of Debian with some weird name. |
| 18:29.58 | unstable | I can't remember what it's called. |
| 18:30.04 | enouf | abrotman: IOW ..there's no way using the deb kernel without obtaining that proprietary code? or someshit |
| 18:30.05 | unstable | But they have zero non-free software on their servers. |
| 18:30.30 | jetscreamer | langner: yep |
| 18:30.32 | abrotman | enouf: the debian kernel apparently includes binary blobs |
| 18:30.38 | dasunt | RMS seems a little zealotly. |
| 18:30.38 | jetscreamer | langner: hand edit it |
| 18:30.45 | abrotman | dasunt: duh .. it's his job :) |
| 18:31.02 | dasunt | He seemed a lot zealotly awhile back, but the world changed. |
| 18:31.13 | langner | the only way out? can't I do the md5sum trick on /etc/X11/X too? |
| 18:31.36 | unstable | "First they call you crazy, then they laugh at you, then they fight you. Then they join you." |
| 18:31.39 | enouf | abrotman: ok thank you ... justy wondered whether or not it was all !moo gas or not |
| 18:31.40 | unstable | Isn't that what they say? |
| 18:32.06 | abrotman | enouf: there's a GR about it i believe |
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| 18:32.20 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_004 |
| 18:32.47 | enouf | abrotman: ...Ok .. cool |
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| 18:33.03 | abrotman | enouf: http://www.us.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007 |
| 18:33.03 | abrotman | also |
| 18:33.04 | enouf | btw- dpkg tells me GR is for Greek! hehe |
| 18:33.05 | fasta | Is there software like graphthing that is made for drawing graphs(not plots) by hand? |
| 18:33.36 | enouf | abrotman: GR = now understood |
| 18:34.01 | dasunt | fasta: dot? |
| 18:34.04 | abrotman | gnuplot ? dia? |
| 18:34.28 | biopyte | hi. i'm thinking of buying a notebook on which then debian should be installed. could you recommend from your daily practice any notebook especially suited for linux(debian)? |
| 18:34.34 | fasta | abrotman: since when can gnuplot interactively draw graphs? |
| 18:34.41 | tuv | fasta, there isn't something aware of graph theory as graphthing is, but there are good alternatives for drawing only |
| 18:34.45 | fasta | and dia is not _designed_ for it. |
| 18:34.49 | abrotman | fasta: your question was a bit vague .. |
| 18:35.00 | abrotman | wtf is graphthing ? |
| 18:35.05 | fasta | tuv understood my question |
| 18:35.10 | dasunt | biopyte: I like the thinkpads. Well-built machines. But the wireless chipsets can be a problem. |
| 18:35.10 | tuv | :) |
| 18:35.21 | evilgeek | graphviz is good at graph drawing. |
| 18:35.21 | abrotman | that's because tuv is korean! |
| 18:35.21 | mne | valdyn, hope you read this. it works just fine now. that wrong linGL.so was from an ancient package that didn't seem to have uninstalled correctly. so instead of the nvidia libGL.so.1 the old libGL.so was loaded. that was quite time consuming ... really, thanks a lot ! |
| 18:35.24 | fasta | abrotman: you can't know everything ;) |
| 18:35.27 | tuv | abrotman, ew |
| 18:35.31 | biopyte | dasunt: thanks, also the levono stuff? |
| 18:35.33 | valdyn | mne: welcome |
| 18:35.34 | zinx | evil: at directed graph drawing, anyway |
| 18:35.36 | langner | as to the message "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized", I found a solutions - "dexconf; rm /etc/X11/X; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 18:35.43 | tuv | abrotman, try again :) |
| 18:35.46 | abrotman | fasta: i wasn't aware of any software at all that you could use to draw graphs interactively :) |
| 18:35.48 | evilgeek | it has some sort of weird GUI tool, too. |
| 18:35.54 | abrotman | tuv: turkish! |
| 18:35.57 | fasta | graphthing is the start of a nice application, though. |
| 18:36.03 | tuv | abrotman, last try |
| 18:36.10 | abrotman | tuv: canadian?! |
| 18:36.15 | abrotman | they're all the same really ... |
| 18:36.21 | fasta | heh |
| 18:36.26 | tuv | abrotman, almost right.. i'm in canada, but not canadian |
| 18:36.39 | evilgeek | zinx: graphviz does undirected graphs just as well. |
| 18:36.50 | abrotman | tuv: you're from minnesota! |
| 18:36.53 | fasta | evilgeek: but not interactively |
| 18:37.07 | jetscreamer | heh i told him to handedit |
| 18:37.12 | evilgeek | i swear, it comes with a GUI tool to do it. |
| 18:37.13 | dasunt | biopyte: Haven't used that personally. |
| 18:37.16 | abrotman | fasta: ms paint? :) |
| 18:37.18 | tuv | abrotman, if you'll continue until you figure me out, you'll be kicked out of the channel for OT |
| 18:37.29 | fasta | evilgeek: ok, what application of graphviz is not CLI? |
| 18:37.43 | abrotman | tuv: you were born of the ether! |
| 18:37.44 | fasta | abrotman: no, I think I will go for pen and paper. |
| 18:37.45 | jetscreamer | !!ops abrotman is ot |
| 18:37.46 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 18:37.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:37.51 | jetscreamer | shit |
| 18:37.58 | abrotman | dpkg: forget !!ops abrotman |
| 18:37.58 | dpkg | abrotman: i didn't have anything called '!!ops abrotman' to forget |
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| 18:38.01 | abrotman | dpkg: forget !ops abrotman |
| 18:38.02 | dpkg | abrotman: i forgot !ops abrotman |
| 18:38.06 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 18:39.01 | biopyte | dasunt: except for wireless you dont have any another debian/linux related annoyances (because it is known that linux on notebooks could be a pain)? |
| 18:39.12 | biopyte | on the thinkpad |
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| 18:39.21 | evilgeek | fasta: dotty or something? i can't recall. |
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| 18:39.45 | fasta | evilgeek: nah, dotty creates graphs from a file, IIRC. |
| 18:39.59 | fasta | evilgeek: graphviz has as a focus creating the graphs automatically. |
| 18:40.12 | langner | hi again... I reconfigured xserver-xorg, but i810 still gives me a strange blank screen, with about 10% of the screen having wierd colors at the top |
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| 18:40.18 | zinx | fasta: there's a GUI version |
| 18:40.24 | tuv | evilgeek, i couldn't use graphviz in a useful way, no matter how often i try |
| 18:40.25 | zinx | fasta: it's a pain to use, though. |
| 18:40.31 | langner | I noticed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg did not ask me about the resolution of my screen |
| 18:40.37 | evilgeek | tuv: i use it in a useful way all the time! |
| 18:40.39 | fasta | evilgeek: you are right |
| 18:40.42 | langner | and I also changed those before |
| 18:40.54 | evilgeek | fasta: dot is the commandline version. |
| 18:40.54 | fasta | evilgeek: dotty works, I wonder whether it is useable. |
| 18:41.01 | tuv | evilgeek, what do you do with it? |
| 18:41.06 | fasta | evilgeek: ah, that must be my confusion. |
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| 18:41.13 | tuv | evilgeek, usually my target is latex, so i prefer xfig |
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| 18:41.30 | langner | which program sets the screen resolutions for xorg? |
| 18:41.34 | evilgeek | tuv: it's incredibly useful for debugging code --- dump a graph in dot format, run dot, and stare at it. |
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| 18:42.07 | evilgeek | tuv: the graphs are too ugly to use in a polished latex document, i agree. |
| 18:42.15 | tuv | evilgeek, how do you debug a graph of code you want to debug? |
| 18:42.40 | tuv | evilgeek, how do you dump a graph of code you want to debug? that is |
| 18:42.44 | evilgeek | typically the code is operating on a graph, and i want to know what the graph looks like without parsing an adjacency matrix by hand. |
| 18:43.00 | enouf | langner: try as root ' hwinfo --framebuffer ' |
| 18:43.05 | valdyn | langner: in which desktop environment? or generall for all X sessions including login screen? |
| 18:43.24 | tuv | evilgeek, let me rephrase, how do you produce a graph out of code? |
| 18:43.30 | langner | I don't use a graphical login screen, and I've installed only windowmaker |
| 18:43.33 | evilgeek | printf() |
| 18:43.39 | valdyn | !drxx langner |
| 18:43.39 | dpkg | langner: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:43.58 | fasta | evilgeek: uh, how do I create a node with more than one edge? |
| 18:44.13 | evilgeek | fasta: it's been a while. i can't remember. |
| 18:44.24 | Capso | Hey... I upgraded nvidia-kernel-2.6.17-2-686, nvidia-kernel-source, and nvidia-glx from 8762 to 8774... and I can start Xorg just fine... but when I try to start gdm or kdm, it brings up a blue screen and says that there was some X failure... no idea why this is... any ideas anyone? |
| 18:44.29 | langner | hwinfo doesn't work |
| 18:44.30 | evilgeek | fasta: have you tried 'man dotty'? |
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| 18:44.45 | fasta | evilgeek: I created 5 nodes, tried to use middle mouse, but it only works for one edge. It seems a bit a lame application from first sight. No, I will read the man page first. |
| 18:44.47 | valdyn | Capso: on which hardware? |
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| 18:44.53 | enouf | langner: you have to apt-get install hwinfo |
| 18:45.00 | tuv | evilgeek, another rephrase, how do you use printf() to produce a graph for some code? |
| 18:45.01 | Capso | valdyn: Toshiba Laptop... |
| 18:45.13 | Capso | valdyn: Does that really matter? |
| 18:45.14 | enouf | langner: before you can use the tool/utility |
| 18:45.17 | evilgeek | fasta: lame, possibly. but it's still useful. |
| 18:45.19 | abrotman | http://www.linutop.com/ |
| 18:45.25 | valdyn | Capso: no it doesnt, im just asking for the gfx chip |
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| 18:45.34 | fasta | evilgeek: manpage is virtually useless, now reading the userguide |
| 18:45.35 | evilgeek | tuv: you are asking what graph is associated with the code? the code is operating on a graph, and i want to know what's up with the graph. |
| 18:45.36 | Capso | valdyn: nVidia MX 440 Go |
| 18:45.54 | valdyn | Capso: might be a case where you should use the legacy driver, i dont know |
| 18:46.15 | langner | OK - hwinfo --framebuffer gives me alot of output - what should I look at? |
| 18:46.16 | Capso | valdyn: Nope... as I said... starting Xorg works fine... if I just do 'Xorg :0'... |
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| 18:46.31 | Capso | valdyn: And 'glxinfo' on that shows direct rendering is there... |
| 18:46.42 | Capso | valdyn: It's more a problem with gdm... |
| 18:47.22 | enouf | langner: well .. hopefully wil give you some info you can use for drxx |
| 18:47.34 | langner | what is drxx? |
| 18:47.39 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 18:47.40 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 18:47.45 | fasta | evilgeek: I wished people could agree on one graph format. I already wrote 6 different parsers for different formats... |
| 18:47.46 | valdyn | Capso: ok - read the error log or paste it, that blue screen shows it, file is /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:47.51 | enouf | langner: you've been told more than twice now :-) |
| 18:48.00 | langner | :) |
| 18:48.09 | Capso | valdyn: That blue screen, when I click OK to view the log, doesn't bring up anything. |
| 18:48.23 | valdyn | Capso: no problem, see /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:48.30 | Capso | valdyn: But here's the Xorg.0.log anyways: http://nanoSouffle.net/secced/Xorg.0.log-bk |
| 18:48.43 | enouf | langner: I recall you complaining about dxx not configuring your resolutions correctly - that prompted me to suggest other options |
| 18:49.05 | langner | yes, I think the problem might be with the Screen section in xorg.conf, because I edited it before, and drxx doesn't ask about resolutions |
| 18:49.16 | enouf | langner: --> [14:32:28] <langner> hi again... I reconfigured xserver-xorg, but i810 still gives me a strange blank screen, with about 10% of the screen having wierd colors at the top |
| 18:49.46 | enouf | langner: that's not really too good a sign I guess |
| 18:50.16 | enouf | langner: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 18:50.19 | langner | how can I restore the default resolutions that were generated the first time? |
| 18:50.30 | enouf | ^^^ |
| 18:50.34 | langner | I'll try that |
| 18:51.13 | langner | I left the framebuffer device interface OFF |
| 18:51.22 | langner | maybe that could be the problem? |
| 18:51.26 | enouf | langner: yes ..say NO to the fb |
| 18:51.37 | valdyn | Capso: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failure reading maximum pixel clock value for display device should be fixed, but there's no fatal error there |
| 18:51.39 | enouf | langner: not likely |
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| 18:51.48 | fasta | evilgeek: hmm, oddly, it seems to work now, while I do exactly the same. |
| 18:51.54 | langner | it still didn't ask me about the resolution |
| 18:52.02 | Capso | valdyn: Yeah... as I said, 'Xorg :0' starts X just fine. |
| 18:52.10 | valdyn | Capso: means your X server didnt really crash in that log |
| 18:52.14 | enouf | langner: are you sure you habve the i810 video module installed ? |
| 18:52.20 | Capso | valdyn: Right. |
| 18:52.28 | Capso | valdyn: Some gdm error, perhaps? |
| 18:52.31 | enouf | langner: what;'s your hardware? |
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| 18:52.59 | wols | langner: paste your xorg.conf and possibly your xorg logs somewhere |
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| 18:53.03 | valdyn | Capso: /var/log/gdm/\:0.log |
| 18:53.04 | langner | Device: "Intel(r)852GM/852GME/855GM/855GME Graphics Controller" |
| 18:53.11 | Charminthemoose | does debian come with a default installed firewall? |
| 18:53.19 | wols | Charminthemoose: no |
| 18:53.36 | sepski | Charminthemoose, but it comes with a handfull to choose from |
| 18:53.46 | wols | Charminthemoose: and you don't need one. debian doesn't have any ports that aren't closable unlike windows |
| 18:53.52 | langner | i have the package xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 18:54.15 | enouf | langner: as root modprobe i810fb i810 -- ..whoa ...wha? |
| 18:54.26 | valdyn | langner: leave FB off, the resolution you do get asked for |
| 18:54.27 | enouf | langner: uname -a |
| 18:54.44 | langner | slim:/home/langner# modprobe i810fb i810 -- |
| 18:54.44 | langner | FATAL: Error inserting i810fb (/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/drivers/video/i810/i810fb.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 18:54.52 | Capso | valdyn: None of them contain anything. |
| 18:55.01 | enouf | well now I atleast know the klernel ...hehehe |
| 18:55.19 | langner | Linux slim 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:55.29 | valdyn | Capso: dmesg could show segfaults |
| 18:55.37 | fasta | evilgeek: only the menu is broken (when you click and hold right mouse button). |
| 18:55.44 | enouf | ahhh ..SMP with i810 ?? hmm |
| 18:55.48 | possie | when install imp4 on debian Sarge, i'm getting the message complaining over package libc-client2002edebian asking if i want to continue installing libc-client without Maildir support, does this mean that imp4 on debian only supports mbox format? |
| 18:55.48 | Capso | valdyn: But doesn't. :/ |
| 18:55.55 | enouf | not that that matters :-p |
| 18:56.17 | valdyn | Capso: i'd try xdm or kdm, right now i have no idea why your gdm would be broken, purgeing it an reinstalling is another thing.. |
| 18:56.24 | Pons | have any of you tried seamonkey? |
| 18:56.26 | enouf | langner: what monito are you using ? |
| 18:56.27 | langner | what is SMP? |
| 18:56.42 | valdyn | !smp |
| 18:56.42 | dpkg | from memory, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or ... |
| 18:56.44 | Capso | valdyn: Tried purging and reinstalling... tried kdm, as well as xdm... same errors. :/ |
| 18:56.46 | enouf | langner: hehe .. if you don;t know . why the F are you using it? |
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| 18:57.04 | valdyn | Capso: and strace ? |
| 18:57.19 | langner | I hade no idea I was using it! |
| 18:57.21 | Capso | valdyn: Just did that now... I believe there's something significant there... |
| 18:57.27 | enouf | langner: what monitor are you using ? do you have the specs/manual? |
| 18:57.27 | Capso | valdyn: Let me upload. |
| 18:57.29 | langner | I chose the normal 2.6-686 kernal during installation |
| 18:57.40 | langner | the monitor is the one in my laptop :P |
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| 18:57.43 | fasta | !kernal |
| 18:57.43 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 18:57.53 | langner | err.. kernel, sorry |
| 18:57.53 | enouf | langner: is not normal afaik |
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| 18:58.13 | langner | well then... i guess maybe i should install again? |
| 18:58.29 | enouf | langner: ahh Lappy ...haha what's the craptop model and CPU? |
| 18:58.32 | wols | langner: you did install etch right? |
| 18:58.41 | langner | yes, etch |
| 18:58.59 | langner | this laptop is a crappy one |
| 18:59.04 | Capso | valdyn: http://nanoSouffle.net/secced/gdm.strace-bk |
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| 18:59.09 | langner | Intel M |
| 18:59.09 | wols | enouf: with his chipset, it's a original centrino |
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| 18:59.40 | langner | that laptop is from some company called "Aristo" |
| 18:59.44 | enouf | hehe /me thinks SMP is incorporated into all newer kerenls .. for brevity's sake .. but enouf knows absolutely nothing! |
| 18:59.56 | enouf | wols: thanks |
| 19:00.06 | abrotman | no |
| 19:00.35 | valdyn | Capso: use -f |
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| 19:00.45 | enouf | abrotman: no ? so SMP wouldn't be installed after selecting <insert whatever comments the author made> |
| 19:00.46 | langner | I had sarge with xfree86 installed on it yesterday and everyhting was fine |
| 19:00.53 | Capso | valdyn: 'strace -f gdm'? |
| 19:01.02 | abrotman | goltta end in -smp |
| 19:01.14 | valdyn | Capso: yea, since this stops with a Process 12424 detached |
| 19:01.15 | enouf | abrotman: that's what I thought |
| 19:01.23 | wols | langner: if you ignore requests for more data, no one can help you |
| 19:01.39 | enouf | abrotman: but langner 's uname -a says SMP ... huh |
| 19:01.42 | langner | I'm sorry... what data? |
| 19:01.49 | wols | langner: scroll up and read |
| 19:01.51 | wols | logs! |
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| 19:01.53 | abrotman | Linux mycomp 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:01.57 | langner | right! just a sec |
| 19:01.58 | abrotman | so does mine |
| 19:02.17 | enouf | ...waits |
| 19:02.29 | abrotman | i guess it is |
| 19:02.36 | enouf | doh! |
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| 19:02.45 | enouf | !highfive me |
| 19:02.53 | enouf | thanks dpkg |
| 19:02.53 | dpkg | enouf: pas de quoi |
| 19:03.39 | enouf | abrotman: trust me...if I'm right ..it's beginner's luck .. |
| 19:04.06 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:04.10 | langner | OK - here you will find my xorg.conf and a my newest log (using vesa): http://www.mml.ch.pwr.wroc.pl/langner/tmp/xorg/ |
| 19:04.22 | enouf | take it from here fellas |
| 19:04.31 | langner | I can generate one when using i810 also, if needed |
| 19:04.35 | Capso | valdyn: Refresh. |
| 19:05.10 | wols | langner: that's the WRONG one since that obviously works |
| 19:05.16 | valdyn | Capso: btw, which tty are in use by getty on your system? |
| 19:05.17 | wols | we want the one which doesn |
| 19:05.21 | wols | doesn't |
| 19:05.24 | langner | OK - just a minut then... |
| 19:05.31 | wols | langner: install irssi-text |
| 19:05.38 | enouf | langner: answering this may help too --> [14:49:43] <enouf> langner: what monitor are you using ? do you have the specs/manual? |
| 19:05.42 | wols | allows you to irc while you sort your X troubles |
| 19:05.43 | langner | and by the way - I am REALLY grateful for all you help, because I so love debian |
| 19:05.51 | wols | enouf: he has a notebook... |
| 19:05.53 | enouf | oh shit ..sorry |
| 19:05.59 | Capso | valdyn: How can I grab that info? |
| 19:06.07 | enouf | !smite me |
| 19:06.16 | enouf | noooooo not those |
| 19:06.22 | eml | !smite me |
| 19:06.29 | valdyn | Capso: alt-fx till you find a console you cant login at |
| 19:06.42 | enouf | thanks eml .. the frogs will take care of the last plague - hehe |
| 19:07.02 | eml | =p |
| 19:07.03 | Capso | valdyn: tty1, tty6, tty5, tty4, tty2, and tty6 ... from what 'lsof' tells me. |
| 19:07.28 | abrotman | no 3? |
| 19:07.29 | Capso | valdyn: This is on a friend's laptop, actually, so, I'm ssh'ed in... so I can't really do that whole alf-fx deal. |
| 19:07.36 | Capso | Oh, yeah... |
| 19:07.37 | Capso | tty3 |
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| 19:07.45 | Capso | tty1 to tty6 |
| 19:07.54 | Capso | Are in use by getty. |
| 19:08.04 | Capso | And tty1 is in use by login. |
| 19:08.14 | Capso | Oh, my bad... |
| 19:08.22 | Capso | tty1 is NOT in use by getty... |
| 19:08.28 | Capso | It's in use by login and bash. |
| 19:08.28 | Capso | :) |
| 19:08.36 | valdyn | Capso: alright.. |
| 19:08.40 | Capso | tty2 - tty6 are in use by getty. |
| 19:08.48 | valdyn | Capso: why is your whipetail in /usr/local/bin/ ? |
| 19:08.54 | valdyn | Capso: why is your whiptail in /usr/local/bin/ ? |
| 19:08.58 | Capso | valdyn: No idea. |
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| 19:09.06 | valdyn | Capso: ops nm, i misread |
| 19:09.10 | Capso | It isn't. |
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| 19:11.17 | Capso | valdyn: Weirdo error, eh? |
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| 19:12.10 | langner | OK - I'm back... http://www.mml.ch.pwr.wroc.pl/langner/tmp/xorg/ now has three files: my xorg.conf and two logs (appended with _i810 and _vesa as teh drivers used) |
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| 19:12.36 | langner | oh, and the xserver hangs when using i810, and I have to reboot |
| 19:12.55 | Capso | valdyn: Still there? |
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| 19:13.04 | valdyn | Capso: yea, reading |
| 19:13.15 | Capso | Alright... |
| 19:13.17 | Capso | Thanks. :) |
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| 19:15.06 | biopyte | is it true there is a seperate channel for debian on notebooks? could not find it. |
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| 19:16.23 | enouf | biopyte: not likely ... not 'official' anyways ... but who knows? -- try /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 19:16.27 | rpc- | guys, i'm trying to unrar a multivolume archive. is it possible to automatically remove rar chunks that has been already unpacked while unpacking another file? |
| 19:16.50 | biopyte | enouf: ok, thanks. i read that on the www. |
| 19:17.06 | abrotman | biopyte: there's a list for them |
| 19:17.32 | peterS | rpc-: if the 'unrar' command doesn't have an option for this, then no |
| 19:17.34 | biopyte | abrotman: ok. thank you. |
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| 19:17.46 | b^j | anyone happen to have a asus m2npv-vm mobo and have audio working with it? |
| 19:18.02 | peterS | rpc-: I suppose you could check both unrar-free and unrar, but I don't suppose unrar-free has that option either |
| 19:18.04 | rpc- | peterS mhm there are so many switches, i just thought that someone already tried that |
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| 19:18.32 | rpc- | peterS if i could at least pause the unpacking after each file then i could remove the file manually and resume after |
| 19:18.40 | rpc- | peterS there must be a way.. i really need it :) |
| 19:18.43 | cahoot | b^j: info on the actual sound device would probably help |
| 19:18.57 | rpc- | this is a bit beyond the scope of this chan though... |
| 19:19.07 | peterS | rpc-: downloaded too many warez and don't have room to unpack them? |
| 19:19.22 | rpc- | peterS something like that lol |
| 19:19.22 | enouf | hehe |
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| 19:20.29 | enouf | rpc-: tell the warez ppl to pack it using something that works the way you need it to ...complain! |
| 19:20.41 | b^j | lspci lists my sound card as '00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)' all the info i see says i need to add "options snd-hda-intel position_fix=1 model=3stack" to "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base". I did this and all I get is a high pitched squeel out of my headphones |
| 19:20.42 | rpc- | enouf i said "something like that" |
| 19:20.51 | peterS | rpc-: well, s/warez/pr0n/ then |
| 19:20.56 | Guerin | rpc-: delete some p0rn |
| 19:20.57 | b^j | any ideas |
| 19:20.58 | enouf | rpc-: I hear ya |
| 19:21.00 | Guerin | you don't need it all |
| 19:21.10 | rpc- | it isn't pr0n either |
| 19:21.16 | Guerin | course not |
| 19:21.18 | Guerin | it never is |
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| 19:21.47 | rpc- | if rar was used just for pr0n it should be named r0r |
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| 19:22.00 | Guerin | why isn't it named r4r then? |
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| 19:22.11 | Robi | lol |
| 19:22.12 | Nazcafan | Hi again |
| 19:22.17 | rpc- | nice try lol |
| 19:22.21 | cahoot | b^j: using snd-hda-intel then? notoriously problematic - the common advice is to use the latest possible alsa |
| 19:22.29 | Nazcafan | I might have an idea of which module is loading evbug, |
| 19:22.34 | savvas | hello, i'm about to use ident2 package, but i don't know the format of the .reply file |
| 19:22.37 | peterS | rpc-: I dunno, I've just never seen rar used for anything legitimate. it's always involved in some form of copyright violation |
| 19:22.54 | Nazcafan | I think it is my rt2500 module, but how can I desactivate it at startup ? |
| 19:22.55 | peterS | rpc-: anyway, if you just type 'unrar' you see a list of options, one of them is 'vp', maybe try that? |
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| 19:23.04 | rpc- | peterS how about you have no choice because someone prepared rar archives for you? |
| 19:23.08 | savvas | has anyone used it and knows how to add a reply with ident2? because manual doesn't show |
| 19:23.29 | rpc- | peterS files inside come from windows server and winrar is very popular there |
| 19:23.44 | b^j | cahoot: I am using testing and have 1.0.12-1, people say i need at least 1.0.11, is there newer then what i have? |
| 19:24.00 | rpc- | i just got them and can't unpack because i don't have enough space to keep both rars and unpacked content |
| 19:24.04 | peterS | rpc-: oh yeah, I guess I've heard people say rar is more popular in windowsland than winzip. I just haven't seen direct evidence of this |
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| 19:24.21 | rpc- | one of them being that you can script with rar |
| 19:24.29 | rpc- | you don't need GUI for rar that is |
| 19:24.35 | Capso | peterS: WinRAR can do for them things that WinZip cannot. |
| 19:24.40 | peterS | true, true. same for zip though |
| 19:24.41 | rpc- | plus it's just nice and gives better results than winzip |
| 19:24.46 | wols | peterS: winzip is very much dead |
| 19:24.49 | Braindead | 7zip under windows quite makes sense over all |
| 19:25.01 | Robi | yeah most people use WinRar |
| 19:25.09 | Braindead | plus it's free software |
| 19:25.21 | rpc- | winrar for win is as popular as tar/gz in linux, i see nothing strange in it |
| 19:25.36 | cahoot | b^j: already visited alsa-user mailing list? |
| 19:25.38 | peterS | I'd barely heard of it back when I had to use Windows |
| 19:25.42 | peterS | so this must be a recent thing |
| 19:25.51 | rpc- | peterS... |
| 19:26.09 | rpc- | ...it's been around for long years, since DOS times |
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| 19:26.25 | wols | peterS: two things killed it: no new features (especially formats like rar) and built in zip support in XP 5 years ago |
| 19:26.26 | rpc- | just GUI wasn't around this long |
| 19:26.26 | peterS | rpc-: I know it has, but back when I had to use DOS/Windows, I rarely saw anyone using it |
| 19:26.31 | Philantrop83 | good evening ... |
| 19:26.44 | valdyn | Capso: cant find something defenite, your gdm startx X like this: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/\:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 19:26.51 | Philantrop83 | can anyone helps me with alsa and my soundcard? |
| 19:26.52 | valdyn | Capso: which you should probably try |
| 19:27.05 | rpc- | oh come on peterS... people switched to rar right after arj :) |
| 19:27.06 | wols | !tell Philantrop83 about ask |
| 19:27.15 | peterS | rpc-: you still haven't said whether you tried the switch I mentioned |
| 19:27.16 | cahoot | b^j: latest released alsa is 1.0.13 |
| 19:27.17 | b^j | cahoot: no, i looked up this board before i bought it and people stated this was the solution (well with ubuntu and suse) and all the googling from the lspci etc info has agreed |
| 19:27.44 | rpc- | peterS hrhm that's because: 1. i didn't notice your kind suggestions 2. i'm very excited about this chat :) |
| 19:27.47 | rpc- | sorry :) |
| 19:28.11 | peterS | rpc-: I said something like "if you just type unrar, it prints a list of flags. one of them is vp, did you try that?" |
| 19:28.31 | langner | can someone take a look at my log using the i810 in xorg? http://www.mml.ch.pwr.wroc.pl/langner/tmp/xorg/Xorg.0.log_i810 I have no idea why I'm getting this failure |
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| 19:28.43 | b^j | cahoot: k, i'll see what unstable does for me |
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| 19:28.46 | rpc- | i was just scrolling up to find what you just kindly repeated for me, thanks very much - trying now |
| 19:29.00 | Philantrop83 | @wols http://paste.debian.net/14521 is my device |
| 19:29.02 | ravenbird | okay, Philantrop83 |
| 19:29.13 | cahoot | b^j: wait - check this out first: http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg17401.html |
| 19:29.18 | Philantrop83 | i like to enable IEC SPDIF digital optical output |
| 19:29.44 | rpc- | peterS yes yes yes :) |
| 19:29.57 | row | does mplayer have dvd menu support yet? |
| 19:29.58 | rpc- | peterS that's exactly what i was looking for |
| 19:30.18 | rpc- | peterS it's hard to find in that flood though... had to |grep vp to see it |
| 19:30.24 | valdyn | langner: your shouldnt have the fb modules loaded at the same time, till things work fine at least |
| 19:30.36 | Philantrop83 | you can also check => http://paste.debian.net/14523 and http://paste.debian.net/14519 |
| 19:31.02 | peterS | rpc-: well, 'unrar | less' is actually what I did, then paged through the output a bit. it isn't _that_ long, but it is more than one screenful |
| 19:31.06 | rpc- | peterS thanks very much, now i can cut some script that will do the rest for me... |
| 19:31.10 | Philantrop83 | i have stereo analog sound ... |
| 19:31.15 | langner | valdyn: I chose no to framebuffer in drxx |
| 19:31.50 | Philantrop83 | but my logitech z5500 ist connected with optical connection ... |
| 19:31.54 | wols | langner: check BTS |
| 19:32.00 | wols | langner: like tbis http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-x@lists.debian.org/msg50645.html |
| 19:32.01 | valdyn | langner: the i810fb.ko module ( or whatever its called ) should not be loaded |
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| 19:32.59 | rpc- | thank you very much again peterS |
| 19:33.07 | peterS | np |
| 19:33.07 | langner | wols: yes, I saw this before, but I thought it was a little different bug |
| 19:33.19 | Philantrop83 | noone any idea? |
| 19:33.38 | wols | !any idea |
| 19:33.38 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 rabid kittens. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 19:34.25 | langner | valdyn: how can I unload the i810kb.ko module? (or whatever it's called) ? |
| 19:34.48 | dasunt | rmmod? |
| 19:35.06 | wols | langner: is any framebuffer module loaded in your kernel (check with lsmod) |
| 19:35.33 | wols | Philantrop83: you probably need the altest and greatest alsa since it'S HDA |
| 19:35.40 | langner | lsmod | grep "fb" gives my nothing |
| 19:35.41 | wols | *latest. |
| 19:35.56 | wols | langner: use mak1 eyeball |
| 19:36.26 | langner | wols: I don't understand what that is (mak1 eyeball) |
| 19:36.29 | Philantrop83 | wols - teh chip is about 2 years old ... and what is altest? |
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| 19:37.01 | enouf | langner: squint! hehe |
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| 19:38.05 | enouf | langner: for laptops you likely want to look into boot parameters that you can pass to the kernel for certain dysfunctionality |
| 19:38.31 | wols | Philantrop83: latest. it's still an intel HDA or so the lspci output says |
| 19:38.42 | wols | langner: your eyes. |
| 19:38.47 | enouf | langner: example is acpi=off , nolapic, screen= , vfb= , stuff like that |
| 19:38.52 | edrin | anyone here who has access to scientific articles/journals via a university library (vpn) or something? |
| 19:39.17 | wols | langner: and the bug I pasted is _exactly_ the stackware like yours. exact same functions only different addresses since different platform. |
| 19:39.27 | wols | langner: so it's highly likely you caught the same bug |
| 19:39.32 | langner | i get it... well... I don't see anything framebuffer-like |
| 19:39.40 | langner | wols: that's what I was afraid of... |
| 19:39.40 | enouf | guzhundheit! |
| 19:40.06 | langner | damn... and everything else works just fine |
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| 19:40.53 | Capso | valdyn: Ping? |
| 19:40.59 | langner | I don't want to upgrade to unstable... |
| 19:41.25 | valdyn | Capso: cant find something defenite, your gdm startx X like this: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/\:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 19:41.47 | enouf | !xorg69 |
| 19:41.57 | enouf | meh |
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| 19:42.16 | valdyn | Capso: that doesnt fit to xorg, so there's something wrong already, no idea if that is your issue |
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| 19:42.45 | enouf | !xorg69to7 |
| 19:42.45 | dpkg | from memory, xorg69to7 is http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 19:42.59 | pippijn | hi |
| 19:42.59 | enouf | langner: look that over ^^^ |
| 19:43.04 | wols | langner: supposedly debian wants to have xorg7.1 in etch... |
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| 19:43.22 | wols | nefpre ot gpes stable |
| 19:44.16 | pippijn | my broadcom network card can't seem to connect to the network |
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| 19:44.25 | luca__ | hi |
| 19:44.32 | wols | pippijn: what chip? |
| 19:44.35 | abrotman | do you live on the second floor ? |
| 19:44.36 | pippijn | I gave it its ip, gateway, subnet mask and everything |
| 19:44.40 | luca__ | i need some help about an umts card |
| 19:44.40 | langner | that wiki page does not work |
| 19:44.50 | langner | and my xorg is 7.0.22 |
| 19:44.54 | pippijn | 44xx or so I think.. |
| 19:45.02 | pippijn | let me check |
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| 19:45.09 | pippijn | it's the newest dell inspiron 9400 |
| 19:45.13 | pippijn | on gentoo it works :\ |
| 19:45.21 | enouf | langner: heh .. wha the f .. it ain't loading here either ... hr, |
| 19:45.27 | wols | then use the same driver you used on gentoo |
| 19:45.36 | pippijn | in debian? |
| 19:45.43 | enouf | langner: google tat though then |
| 19:45.48 | enouf | that even |
| 19:46.05 | pippijn | how can I use the driver from gentoo in debian? |
| 19:46.12 | luca__ | Oct 8 21:45:10 luca-laptop chat[6746]: expect (ogin) |
| 19:46.12 | luca__ | Oct 8 21:45:10 luca-laptop chat[6746]: ^M |
| 19:46.16 | luca__ | Oct 8 21:45:10 luca-laptop chat[6746]: ERROR^M |
| 19:46.19 | wols | you don't. but they have the same name |
| 19:46.24 | wols | luca__: stop that! |
| 19:46.24 | pippijn | well |
| 19:46.27 | pippijn | the thing is |
| 19:46.28 | luca__ | i get this message.. anyone knows why? |
| 19:46.31 | pippijn | I can *see* the network card |
| 19:46.36 | pippijn | I can ping my own IP |
| 19:46.37 | enouf | !tell luca__ about it |
| 19:46.40 | langner | enouf: google gives that page :> |
| 19:46.41 | pippijn | the system thinks it is there |
| 19:46.43 | pippijn | and it is |
| 19:46.48 | pippijn | but I can'T ping out into the network |
| 19:46.58 | enouf | langner: View the "Cache" |
| 19:47.02 | pippijn | Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-BO 100Base-TX |
| 19:47.04 | enouf | cached |
| 19:47.19 | jelly-home | pippijn: eh, the fact that you can ping your own ip doesn't mean that the card is working. |
| 19:47.19 | wols | pippijn: does ips work but hostnames not? |
| 19:47.19 | langner | enouf: of course |
| 19:47.32 | pippijn | wols: none work |
| 19:47.37 | pippijn | I can not send packets to the gateway |
| 19:47.50 | wols | pippijn: what kernel version |
| 19:47.54 | wols | and what driver? |
| 19:47.56 | enouf | langner: ofcourse? or why ofcourse! ? |
| 19:47.56 | pippijn | .13 |
| 19:48.05 | wols | where do you get a .13? |
| 19:48.15 | pippijn | I am not entirely sure debian chooses the same drier as gentoo does |
| 19:48.24 | wols | where do you get a .13? |
| 19:48.28 | pippijn | gentoo had it |
| 19:48.29 | peterS | pippijn: probably not because we use different kernels |
| 19:48.30 | pippijn | 2.6.13 |
| 19:48.39 | abrotman | so you're asking about a gentoo box ? |
| 19:48.42 | pippijn | peterS: same driver name then |
| 19:48.44 | pippijn | abrotman: no |
| 19:48.45 | wols | pippijn: is that a debian kernel or a custom one? |
| 19:48.46 | pippijn | gentoo works |
| 19:48.46 | WoodyWoodpecker | My info page for libc is gone. What packages does debian offer for this? |
| 19:48.48 | langner | enouf: I don't get it... I was just reinstating your advice to look at the cached version of the page... |
| 19:48.52 | abrotman | pippijn: cat /proc/version .. show us |
| 19:48.55 | pippijn | uhm |
| 19:48.57 | pippijn | -_- |
| 19:49.01 | peterS | pippijn: debian does not ship a kernel 2.6.13 at this time, only 2.4.27 and 2.6.8, and in testing, 2.6.17 |
| 19:49.01 | pippijn | everybody is talking to me |
| 19:49.15 | pippijn | and everybody is misinterpreting what I say |
| 19:49.19 | iamtheobject | it happens |
| 19:49.21 | wols | pippijn: and we all ask the same question |
| 19:49.25 | pippijn | no |
| 19:49.25 | enouf | langner: no worries ... I'm still trying to be helpful if I can .. |
| 19:49.33 | pippijn | peterS assumes I use .13 on debian |
| 19:49.36 | pippijn | but |
| 19:49.38 | langner | enouf: and I thank you |
| 19:49.42 | pippijn | 22:47 < wols> pippijn: what kernel version |
| 19:49.45 | pippijn | 22:47 < pippijn> .13 |
| 19:49.50 | pippijn | that was gentoo |
| 19:49.55 | enouf | langner: no necissito ... mi amigo |
| 19:49.58 | wols | pippijn: pippijn what kernel do you use on debian and what driver? |
| 19:49.58 | pippijn | on debian I don't know.. whatever is shipped with etch |
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| 19:50.04 | peterS | pippijn: if you're talking about gentoo, you should say you're talking about gentoo. in this channel we assume people are talking about debian |
| 19:50.06 | pippijn | the driver name I don't know |
| 19:50.06 | wols | then check |
| 19:50.06 | abrotman | pippijn: cat /proc/version .. show us |
| 19:50.10 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 19:50.25 | DevilChaos | anyone here used gentoo livecd before? |
| 19:50.36 | wols | DevilChaos: this is #debian. ask #gentoo |
| 19:50.38 | pippijn | I can't show you anything, because I don't have it here, I was hoping to get some tip where I might go look |
| 19:50.44 | WoodyWoodpecker | pipeline: What distri are you running? Sometimes packages have to same names. |
| 19:50.55 | pippijn | something that is possibly the problem or some place I can go look for alternatives |
| 19:51.02 | DevilChaos | im in gentoo now aswell |
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| 19:51.27 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:51.37 | pippijn | I might just use the gentoo kernel and install debian on that |
| 19:51.41 | wols | DevilChaos: has this any bearing for #debian? I don't thing so |
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| 19:51.44 | pippijn | that should be possible |
| 19:51.46 | peterS | good plan |
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| 19:52.11 | DevilChaos | yes it does actually |
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| 19:52.37 | Nazcafan | hi again |
| 19:52.45 | Nazcafan | ok, I think I know what is wrong |
| 19:52.55 | Nazcafan | I have this error message at startup |
| 19:53.10 | DevilChaos | because i really want to run debian my favouritest distro on my new laptop but the laptop doent like it i need i686 instead of i386 and cant find the download for it |
| 19:53.12 | Nazcafan | modules.conf exists but does not include modprobe.d |
| 19:53.21 | Nazcafan | what should I do ? |
| 19:53.25 | wols | DevilChaos: there is none |
| 19:53.31 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 19:53.39 | peterS | Nazcafan: modules.conf has nothing to do with modprobe.d |
| 19:53.41 | langner | bugs.debian.org doesn't work here... only here? |
| 19:53.45 | DevilChaos | sorry im just alittle frustrateded today |
| 19:53.47 | wols | and yes you need i386 most likely |
| 19:53.57 | peterS | Nazcafan: the first is used for 2.0, 2.2 and 2.4 kernels, the second is used for 2.6 kernels |
| 19:54.04 | wols | langner: front page works, search does not for me |
| 19:54.19 | Nazcafan | peterS: is there a way to see the boot warnings ? |
| 19:54.29 | Nazcafan | without rebooting ? |
| 19:54.29 | peterS | try 'dmesg' |
| 19:54.31 | wols | Nazcafan: syslog |
| 19:55.07 | langner | anyway, that cached wiki page says: "libmesa stops working after upgrade to X11R7 with i810 driver (and maybe some others). The i810 driver is too new for mesa. It is necessary to download new drivers from [WWW] http://dri.freedesktop.org/snapshots/ and copy *_dri.so files to /usr/lib/dri/. This is [WWW] bug# 359328" - is that what I should do? |
| 19:55.11 | DevilChaos | just went through hell to get my laptop up and running under bill gates pish again while i worked on getting debian or any distro of linux to go on the damn bloody thing i know i686 work because gentoo hardened works fine |
| 19:56.08 | wols | langner: very unlikely |
| 19:56.16 | enouf | langner: and your quite welcome ... anytime :-] ... take a look at the various kernel parameter options .. but this for an older 2.6.11 kerenl .. so keep that in mind .. http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Kernel-parameters-2.6.11 |
| 19:56.26 | wols | langner: bug is too old, and X does work for him, just not DRI |
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| 19:56.38 | wols | langner: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359328 |
| 19:56.49 | enouf | langner: ok ...nevermind my last posting ;-) |
| 19:57.34 | langner | well then, I'm at a loss of what to do |
| 19:57.51 | Nazcafan | wols: peterS I cannot see the warnings in either /var/log/messages or syslog |
| 19:57.58 | Nazcafan | I'll just reboot |
| 19:58.10 | peterS | Nazcafan: ok. I did mention dmesg too though, didn't I? |
| 19:58.22 | enouf | !customer |
| 19:58.22 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 19:58.35 | dvs | heh |
| 19:58.51 | Heston | this is starting to really piss me off but in Gnome, when i insert an audio cd, it's automatically ejected after a certain amount of time |
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| 19:59.31 | peterS | oh now I remember why I don't use hald either |
| 20:00.01 | vin` | langner: what are the errors now? if any? |
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| 20:00.15 | Nazcafan | ok I got the mesage |
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| 20:00.29 | Nazcafan | modprobe.conf exists but does not include modprobe.d |
| 20:00.32 | enouf | Heston: check Gnome control center for autofscking - erm automounting or someshit |
| 20:00.41 | Capso | valdyn: Hello? |
| 20:00.44 | Nazcafan | how should I include it ? |
| 20:00.45 | langner | vin: http://www.mml.ch.pwr.wroc.pl/langner/tmp/xorg/Xorg.0.log_i810 |
| 20:01.06 | peterS | Nazcafan: you shouldn't. what kernel version have you got? |
| 20:01.07 | Heston | enouf, i already turned that off |
| 20:01.18 | Nazcafan | 2.6.17 |
| 20:01.24 | enouf | Heston: does any of your /etc/fstab entries contain 'auto' anything? |
| 20:01.25 | Nazcafan | peterS: 2.6.17 |
| 20:01.38 | peterS | Nazcafan: then modules.conf is not needed at all. you can delete it. |
| 20:01.48 | Heston | enouf, actually it only ejects after 10 seconds of playing the cd |
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| 20:02.02 | peterS | it's needed only for 2.4.x or older |
| 20:02.04 | enouf | peterS: he should have an /etc/modprobe.d though no? |
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| 20:02.21 | dvs | !info modprobe etch |
| 20:02.22 | peterS | enouf: yes he should. but /etc/modules.conf is not used. |
| 20:02.22 | enouf | Heston: must be a Sony .. |
| 20:02.23 | Heston | enouf, the cdrom has nouto on |
| 20:02.33 | Heston | noauto* |
| 20:02.35 | enouf | peterS: understood |
| 20:02.38 | dvs | !info modutils etch |
| 20:02.40 | keram | hey |
| 20:02.44 | dpkg | modutils: (Linux module utilities), section admin, is important. Version: 2.4.27.0-6 (etch), Packaged size: 236 kB, Installed size: 752 kB |
| 20:02.47 | keram | how do i remove all the useless packages? |
| 20:03.04 | enouf | Heston: no ... that's not it .. ok - look elsewhere ... wait .. any "defaults" listed? |
| 20:03.12 | peterS | keram: with 'aptitude remove', or by running aptitude interactively and selecting packages for removal |
| 20:03.20 | enouf | keram: drop into a vat of acid |
| 20:03.30 | keram | i'll go with the aforementioned kthx |
| 20:03.31 | Heston | enouf, only for the main partitions |
| 20:03.34 | Nazcafan | peterS : modprobe.conf exists but does not include modprobe.d |
| 20:03.45 | enouf | keram: nevermind .. that's way too easy :-p |
| 20:03.46 | peterS | keram: if you come across a package you don't want, in aptitude, hit - to flag it for removal. then hit g twice to make it actually happen |
| 20:03.49 | Nazcafan | peterS not module.conf |
| 20:04.01 | enouf | Heston: none for the Opticals then ? |
| 20:04.09 | peterS | Nazcafan: oh, you don't need modprobe.conf either. that's left over from a much earlier version of module-init-tools. |
| 20:04.17 | Heston | enouf, uh no |
| 20:04.17 | peterS | remove that file |
| 20:04.34 | peterS | unless it has stuff in it that you need, in which case transfer that stuff to a file inside /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 20:04.55 | vin` | langner: is x-window-system-core installed? |
| 20:04.57 | Heston | q:q |
| 20:04.59 | keram | peterS, okay thanks :[ |
| 20:05.02 | keram | err thanks :] |
| 20:05.20 | langner | vin: no! |
| 20:05.23 | langner | I'm surprised |
| 20:05.28 | Heston | enouf, it doesnt matter which app i try to play music in either |
| 20:05.33 | enouf | Heston: something is odd ... my sid (granted not updated recently) setup has all the nonsene of kde and gnome installed ... and never has a CD or DVD ejected .. lok into Alcohol120% toools and your windows install for that |
| 20:05.38 | Heston | they all make it eject the damn tray |
| 20:05.45 | vin` | langner: what about x-window-system? |
| 20:05.45 | Nazcafan | ls |
| 20:06.01 | enouf | Heston: Dual booting? ... networked with windows? |
| 20:06.01 | Nazcafan | cd /etc/ |
| 20:06.02 | Nazcafan | ls |
| 20:06.05 | peterS | keram: what you really want is to get down with the aptitude auto flag. pull up the full list of packages and go through them in aptitude, hitting M on each line for a package you don't _specifically_ want. then if that package is not needed by other packages in the future, it will be removed |
| 20:06.06 | Nazcafan | oups |
| 20:06.07 | langner | vin: yes |
| 20:06.11 | Heston | enouf, no and no |
| 20:06.22 | Heston | i dont see how any of that could be related either |
| 20:06.23 | enouf | Heston: hrmmm.. |
| 20:06.31 | Heston | fresh install |
| 20:06.34 | Heston | just updated |
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| 20:06.36 | enouf | Heston: Cd Drive on the fritz? |
| 20:06.42 | Heston | not likely |
| 20:06.49 | enouf | Heston: why not |
| 20:06.50 | langner | vin: but aren't tohse just transition packages? |
| 20:06.55 | peterS | keram: so long as you continue to use aptitude for package installation, the 'auto' flag on each package will do its thing |
| 20:07.12 | Heston | enouf, because it was just used to install debian itself |
| 20:07.27 | enouf | Heston: All types of CDs ? Bootable CD ISOs ..Data only CDs ... Music CDs (CDDA) ...etc |
| 20:07.33 | Heston | enouf, and usually you come to that conclusion last |
| 20:07.43 | Heston | i will try a data cd |
| 20:07.52 | enouf | ..waits |
| 20:08.10 | vin` | langner: then you don't need -core. you don't have any errors in your log, what do you end up with in the end? a blank screen? |
| 20:08.28 | langner | yes, blank screen and a hang |
| 20:09.10 | langner | I am working on vesa now, which is alot slower |
| 20:09.17 | langner | *a lot |
| 20:09.52 | Heston | enouf, mounted a data cd just fine, can read it without an eject |
| 20:10.39 | vin` | langner: you could copy dri.so files, you need those only for DRI, but.. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-5bc0296170d3ffbabad940201aba6aa40c603f17 |
| 20:10.46 | enouf | Heston: ok .. so AudioCD only? |
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| 20:10.57 | Heston | yes, right after it starts playing |
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| 20:11.19 | langner | vin: yes, I was thinking about trying that |
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| 20:11.27 | enouf | Heston: hmmm .. that's friggin weird ... dunno yet |
| 20:11.27 | linux666 | can someone help? http://pastebin.ca/195046 |
| 20:11.39 | linux666 | is anybody able to help |
| 20:11.40 | enouf | Which apps are you using? |
| 20:11.43 | langner | vin: enouf said that won't help |
| 20:11.44 | enouf | Heston: ^^ |
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| 20:12.02 | Heston | enouf, xmms, gnome cd player |
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| 20:12.33 | enouf | Heston: got KDE installed ? or just Gnome? |
| 20:12.40 | Heston | just gnome |
| 20:12.44 | vin` | langner: your decision. |
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| 20:13.20 | langner | vin: so which file should I use from http://dri.freedesktop.org/snapshots/ ? |
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| 20:14.09 | enouf | Heston: ok ... I don;t know gnome apps that well .. noether kde , but gnome worse ... try cdrecord? have you ripped any CDs to HDD |
| 20:14.36 | Heston | enouf, what would ripping them prove? |
| 20:14.50 | enouf | Heston: does the Audio rthat you hear play correctly until it ejects? |
| 20:14.52 | Heston | and try cdrecord to do what exactly? |
| 20:14.57 | Heston | it does |
| 20:15.04 | Heston | and ive tried more than one audio cd |
| 20:15.12 | vin` | langner: i810 or i915, which ever suits you, I used http://dri.freedesktop.org/snapshots/i915-20060403-linux.i386.tar.bz2 for i915. |
| 20:15.19 | Heston | sound juicer also makes it eject |
| 20:15.33 | enouf | Heston: just to se if you can keep the cd spinning and being used with**out ejecting |
| 20:15.47 | DevilChaos | could someone give me a link to the i686 net installer please? |
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| 20:15.52 | langner | vin: I meant the date (of i810), I'll take the newest |
| 20:15.53 | enouf | Heston: are these commercial CDs or self burned> |
| 20:15.55 | enouf | ? |
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| 20:15.59 | Heston | commercial |
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| 20:16.28 | enouf | throws hands up in the air from disgust !! .. and screams UGH! |
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| 20:16.53 | Heston | debian has been giving me problems after problems |
| 20:17.00 | Heston | on this one computer anyways |
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| 20:17.14 | enouf | Heston: it's NOT debian .. trust me |
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| 20:17.36 | enouf | Heston: are you a really good troll? |
| 20:17.36 | Heston | freebsd worked fine for months on the exact same hardware |
| 20:17.41 | Heston | uh |
| 20:17.41 | langner | this is actually the first problem I've ever had with debian that I couldn't solve on my own in 10-30 minutes |
| 20:17.44 | Heston | no.... |
| 20:17.45 | enouf | :-p |
| 20:17.59 | Heston | ripping seems to be working |
| 20:18.09 | enouf | Heston ...do this ... dpkg -l udev |
| 20:18.18 | DevilChaos | debian kicks ass when you can get it to work and thats 90% of the time :) |
| 20:18.20 | enouf | Heston ...then dpkg -l hal |
| 20:18.29 | Heston | nevermind...ripping was halkted and ejected |
| 20:18.36 | enouf | Heston: then lastly dpkg -l hotplug |
| 20:18.55 | wols | DevilChaos: there is no damn i686 installer |
| 20:18.55 | Heston | alright, hold on |
| 20:18.57 | enouf | Heston: alll 3 above please |
| 20:19.00 | enouf | ok |
| 20:19.13 | vin` | langner: it'll all work out, it's still 'testing'. |
| 20:19.13 | DevilChaos | why not you said ther was? |
| 20:19.32 | jenipapo2 | Hi all |
| 20:19.49 | Heston | enouf, now what |
| 20:19.50 | wols | DevilChaos: I told you before that there isn't. thereis i386. learn to read numbers |
| 20:19.52 | enouf | Heston: ... ONLY paste the last line of each ... the one which says "ii" .. or "un".. do NOT paste more than 1 line into the channel |
| 20:20.02 | DevilChaos | heh |
| 20:20.13 | enouf | reads numbers |
| 20:20.24 | enouf | in reverse :-) |
| 20:20.30 | langner | vin: compiling the i810 DRM kernel modules gives me: "The DRI drivers can not be installed without the latest kernel modules." |
| 20:20.42 | jenipapo2 | Since a mozilla upgrade, every new window, instead of opening "normally" opens only in a very little bar, not easy to maximize. |
| 20:20.45 | enouf | !fishsmite the DevilChaos |
| 20:20.47 | jenipapo2 | How to fix ? |
| 20:20.53 | enouf | heh |
| 20:21.06 | abrotman | ask #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org maybe |
| 20:21.15 | Heston | ii udev 0.100-2 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon, ii hal 0.5.7.1-2 hardware abstraction layer, un hotplug <none> (no description available) |
| 20:21.21 | vin` | langner: why are you compiling them? jus copy them to /usr/lib/dri |
| 20:21.45 | vin` | s/jus/just |
| 20:21.47 | enouf | Heston: ok ... that's al good ...thanks |
| 20:21.58 | enouf | Heston: now? .. hmm |
| 20:22.23 | enouf | Heston: pastebin contents of /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab |
| 20:22.27 | Heston | now it seems like the cdrom is just ejected after inserted |
| 20:22.33 | vin` | !info xserver-xorg-video-i810 testing |
| 20:22.38 | Heston | uhg...i cant really do any pasting |
| 20:22.41 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-i810: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.1.0-2 (etch), Packaged size: 133 kB, Installed size: 348 kB |
| 20:22.46 | Heston | speperate computer |
| 20:22.59 | enouf | !tell Heston about pastewithoutx |
| 20:23.03 | vin` | langner: is that installed? ^^ |
| 20:23.17 | langner | vin: yes... I'm not sure why I wanted to compile :P |
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| 20:23.33 | Heston | enouf, the other computer is the one with gnome, which doesnt have internet atm |
| 20:23.39 | langner | vin: I've copied the *.so, now I should just change xorg.conf again? |
| 20:24.01 | vin` | langner: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 20:24.17 | enouf | Heston: I apologize .. I have to leave for a while .. bbl ... hope you can sort it |
| 20:24.32 | Heston | enouf, alright, thanks anyways |
| 20:24.44 | woodgrain | Is there a way I can get pgms to open and close with the windows in the same size and position (in gnome)? |
| 20:25.17 | Capso | valdyn? |
| 20:25.22 | langner | vin: langner@~: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 20:25.23 | langner | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 20:25.23 | langner | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 20:25.24 | langner | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
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| 20:25.36 | abrotman | langner: | tail -1 |
| 20:25.45 | vin` | langner: if you've hand-edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf, /msg dpkg xorgmd5 and /msg dpkg drxx, select i810, ( don't paste stuff here) |
| 20:25.58 | Jamie | so why does debian force exim mta on the users? |
| 20:26.13 | langner | I'm sorry for the pasting blushes |
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| 20:26.33 | tuv | Jamie, it doesn't. it's just the default mta |
| 20:26.33 | vin` | langner: you missed the crucial part. |
| 20:26.41 | Jamie | i remove exim4, and it reinstalls itself... why should i have to disable the mta but keep it installed if i dont want it installed or on my system |
| 20:26.49 | vin` | langner: is it installed? |
| 20:26.59 | langner | vin: yes, it is installed |
| 20:27.03 | Jamie | tuv: i wish that were true |
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| 20:27.10 | wols | Jamie: you need a MTA |
| 20:27.15 | Jamie | i know its the default mta, but why is it impossable to remove |
| 20:27.25 | Jamie | wols: for what? im not running a mailserver |
| 20:27.28 | wols | it's easy to remove if you have another MTA |
| 20:27.32 | vin` | langner: ok, do what you have to do and restart X. |
| 20:27.32 | tuv | Jamie, i have a machine without exim, so it is true. i have nullmailer instead |
| 20:27.39 | langner | vin: and I've gone through the md5sum trick to get drxx to change my xorg.conf |
| 20:27.42 | wols | you still need it, e.g. cron mails, etc |
| 20:27.50 | wols | MTA is essnetial on a *nix system |
| 20:28.09 | langner | vin: except that drxx does not ask me anymore about the screen resolutions, which I also changed... but that is probably no problem |
| 20:28.12 | Jamie | so an mta is needed for inter-system mailing... what if i dont need it on a single user system? |
| 20:28.20 | wireddd | wols, I have yet to see a good reason why |
| 20:28.26 | abrotman | Jamie: use nullmailer |
| 20:28.29 | langner | OK, I'm going to test now with the new dri library... bbs |
| 20:28.43 | Jamie | ill try nullmailer then |
| 20:28.57 | Jamie | has debian optimized its binaries from i386 to i686 yet? |
| 20:29.10 | wols | Jamie: no |
| 20:29.12 | tuv | Jamie, even in a single-user system. it makes that single user aware of things happening in his system |
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| 20:29.25 | wols | some are kernel. libc, etc but generally it'S 486 or so |
| 20:29.37 | blondie | Jamie: some people still have 386s you know! |
| 20:29.37 | Jamie | that kind of sucks, doesnt it? |
| 20:29.44 | wols | no it does not |
| 20:29.50 | wireddd | tuv, only if you read it |
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| 20:29.57 | tuv | wireddd, i do |
| 20:30.03 | wols | my 486 is very happy about it |
| 20:30.04 | Jamie | blondie: and some people have 3ghz processors too |
| 20:30.13 | wols | !rice |
| 20:30.13 | dpkg | [rice] good for you |
| 20:30.18 | blondie | Jamie: then they should be plenty fast |
| 20:30.26 | blondie | and should quit whinging |
| 20:30.34 | abrotman | Jamie: and it really doesn't matter |
| 20:30.36 | tuv | wireddd, things like cron-apt and smartmontools are real handy |
| 20:30.55 | blondie | why don't you use that POS called gentoo if you want that stuff. |
| 20:30.56 | Jamie | packages would work, but not to their near potential? |
| 20:31.02 | wireddd | if I want to know, i'll see it in the logs... |
| 20:31.05 | abrotman | really doesn't matter |
| 20:31.11 | Jamie | blondie: why would you call gentoo a pos? |
| 20:31.15 | Jamie | abrotman: why doesnt it matter? |
| 20:31.16 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 20:31.16 | hjubal | I've installed nvidia driver 1.0-8774, X starts with no error but the monitor_screen is black unless I comment out 'Load "glx"' |
| 20:31.16 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 20:31.17 | blondie | because it is.... |
| 20:31.25 | abrotman | Jamie: there's not definitive performance gain |
| 20:31.30 | Jamie | abrotman: ah |
| 20:31.32 | abrotman | s/not/no/ |
| 20:31.53 | wols | hjubal: how did you install it? from what source? using m-a? |
| 20:32.04 | Jamie | blondie: any specific reason? just calling it crap is rather unjustified |
| 20:32.06 | blondie | abrotman: what, you mean people running gentoo are wasting their time with compiling their own code? |
| 20:32.13 | abrotman | blondie: shocking i know |
| 20:32.16 | wols | Jamie: cause it's unstable |
| 20:32.29 | abrotman | Jamie: with debian you do hav ethe ability to rebuild anything you like .. but it's kind of silly IMO |
| 20:32.31 | Jamie | gnetoo has i686 binaries too |
| 20:32.34 | tuv | !greenhouse |
| 20:32.34 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 20:32.34 | blondie | !greenhouse |
| 20:32.53 | Jamie | ah |
| 20:32.54 | dvs | heh |
| 20:32.56 | hjubal | wols, I'm running etch, I've tried but actually I've installed official nvidia driver (not debian) |
| 20:33.10 | Jamie | abrotman: have the ability to rebuild anything? what do you mean? |
| 20:33.13 | abrotman | Jamie: if you'd like to use apt-build to get -686 optimized binaries .. have at it |
| 20:33.18 | abrotman | !tell Jamie about apt-build |
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| 20:33.52 | Jamie | ill have to look into that, looking forward to kernel 2.6.18 w/ my broadcom wifi to see if it works this time |
| 20:34.09 | wols | hjubal: probably nvidia puts the glx libs in the wrong places. it'S your job to rectify it when you don't listen to #debian |
| 20:34.23 | jetscreamer | hey that post with the guy bitching about udev and debian being non-free... it's the Phospor screensaver... |
| 20:34.36 | abrotman | a screensaver requires udev ? |
| 20:34.39 | wols | jetscreamer: who? |
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| 20:34.49 | abrotman | wols: planet.d.o |
| 20:35.07 | jetscreamer | oh or is it sucking that from debian.org :) |
| 20:35.18 | hjubal | wols, I've tried the debian way (I've always used dpkg) following the good Andrew E. Schulman howto |
| 20:35.20 | jetscreamer | no the text is on the phospor screensaver |
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| 20:35.50 | jetscreamer | i'm looking at it in screensaver prefs |
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| 20:36.17 | langner | ok... I tried with the new dri library and nothing changed |
| 20:36.23 | hjubal | wols, with sarge I've been able to configure it properly, but with etch I've had a lot of problems |
| 20:36.58 | langner | the worst thing about vesa is that it doesn't work with an external monitor |
| 20:37.33 | abrotman | it doesnt? |
| 20:37.35 | wols | hjubal: there is not nvidia in etch |
| 20:37.52 | wols | hjubal: so have you checked about your libs? |
| 20:37.57 | tuv | wols, sid's nvidia works perfectly on etch |
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| 20:38.12 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 20:38.12 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 20:38.17 | wols | tuv: tell it to hjubal |
| 20:38.36 | tuv | wols, do i look like dpkg? |
| 20:39.04 | hjubal | really? great! I'm going to remove those driver from nvidia.com |
| 20:39.14 | wols | tuv: do I look like I have a problem with nvidia on etch (the nvidia.com isntaller worked for me there quite nicely after some force) |
| 20:39.44 | wireddd | I lost my \ partition yesterday, I reinstalled etch, but I am having problems with my second video card in X. Namely lots of artifacts when x starts. The only thing that is different is that I was using a 2.6.12 kernel and now I am just using 2.6.17. my second video card is a 3dfx voodoo4 4500. Xorg log: http://pastebin.ca/195100 |
| 20:39.56 | tuv | wols, what are you talking about? |
| 20:40.00 | wireddd | err \=/ |
| 20:40.23 | vin` | langner: what resolution have you specified in xorg.conf? |
| 20:40.30 | jetscreamer | just apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` pkg-config and then use the .run |
| 20:40.42 | langner | vin: http://www.mml.ch.pwr.wroc.pl/langner/tmp/xorg/xorg.conf |
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| 20:41.06 | streuner_ | using "nvidia-installers" is a better way to shoot yourself into foot |
| 20:41.32 | streuner_ | if you want have a good chance to break your debian system, just do it (TM) :-) |
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| 20:42.29 | roby | i just tried `gcc myfile.c` and it complains that it can't find stdio.h :( |
| 20:42.43 | streuner_ | roby: install build-essential |
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| 20:43.55 | vin` | langner: looks fine. |
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| 20:44.19 | roby | streuner_: perfect thanks |
| 20:44.28 | fasta | streuner_: I suspect Debian of intentionally killing my nvidia "experience". |
| 20:44.49 | fasta | streuner_: when I delete the init.d scripts, all of a sudden everything works. |
| 20:44.54 | langner | I think I'm just going to migrate back to sarge sigh |
| 20:44.55 | tuv | fasta, nvidia works perfectly here.. so not debian's fault |
| 20:45.09 | langner | (until xorg 7.1 gets into etch) |
| 20:45.12 | fasta | tuv: it works here too, but not via m-a |
| 20:45.17 | zinx | fasta: do you mean ubuntu? |
| 20:45.26 | fasta | zinx: no |
| 20:45.28 | vin` | langner: you can't go back. reinstall? |
| 20:45.29 | tuv | fasta, it works via m-a |
| 20:45.33 | zinx | fasta: worksforme then |
| 20:45.40 | abrotman | langner: what doesn't work ? |
| 20:45.49 | zinx | fasta: if you're trying 1.0-9625 you need to make sure the "eeprom" module doesn't load |
| 20:46.04 | langner | vin: yeah, reinstall |
| 20:46.04 | vin` | abrotman: his X freezes with i810, vesa is shit slow. |
| 20:46.09 | michael117 | Umm... I was gone for most of the day and just came back to my computer a few minutes ago and was given some error about a script not responding and the entire computer was going uber slow so I just hit the reset button on the case, but when I booted into gnome, the bottom panel that I had before is gone and when I try to create a new panel to take its place, it won't let me move it there, but only above where the old one wa |
| 20:46.09 | michael117 | s. Any advice? |
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| 20:46.15 | SherLock | !seen mohsenh |
| 20:46.16 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'mohsenh', SherLock |
| 20:46.18 | abrotman | vin`: eh .. same card .. different revision .. works fine |
| 20:46.18 | cbr | zinx: why is that? |
| 20:46.28 | fasta | tuv: hmm, I could try it again, but AFAIK, the init scripts fuck up, I will try again the next time I build a kernel. |
| 20:46.33 | langner | abrotman: my files: http://www.mml.ch.pwr.wroc.pl/langner/tmp/xorg/ |
| 20:46.40 | zinx | cbr: because 1.0-9625 has a bug that causes a deadlock if eeprom is loaded |
| 20:46.50 | fasta | zinx: Uhm, 9625 doesn't exists, does it? |
| 20:46.51 | cbr | zinx: ah.. that is what happened with me then :p |
| 20:46.51 | vin` | abrotman: *shrug* |
| 20:46.56 | zinx | fasta: sure it does |
| 20:46.58 | abrotman | yeah! |
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| 20:47.11 | zinx | fasta: it's beta though, so it has some bugs :D |
| 20:47.40 | tuv | fasta, m-a is made to work with debian kernels. if you're building your kernel, not guarantees |
| 20:47.42 | fasta | zinx: oh, that's new for me and I think is rather new |
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| 20:47.45 | Capso | TripleBuffer kicks all ass, though. |
| 20:48.02 | fasta | zinx: Normally, there were only BETA Windows drivers. |
| 20:48.03 | langner | I am wondering if it would be fun to upgrade to unstable |
| 20:48.06 | abrotman | langner: did you try disabling DRI ? |
| 20:48.06 | streuner_ | Capso: wth is "TripleBuffer"? |
| 20:48.08 | vin` | tuv: works fine with custom kernels as well. |
| 20:48.10 | fasta | zinx: or is that already so for a long time? |
| 20:48.24 | langner | abrotman: how do I disable DRI? |
| 20:48.27 | zinx | fasta: 1.0-9625's been out for a bit, but yeah, beta drivers for Linux are petty rare |
| 20:48.45 | abrotman | langner: that little section at the bottom of your xorg.conf .. about DRI .. comment out those three lines |
| 20:48.57 | tuv | vin`, good to know |
| 20:49.14 | vin` | abrotman: fwiw, he got the new dri.so from f.d.o as well. |
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| 20:49.28 | brotwurst | hi all |
| 20:49.29 | brotwurst | i need help |
| 20:49.32 | brotwurst | with my debian |
| 20:49.33 | streuner_ | brotwurst: lass das! |
| 20:49.40 | langner | abrotman: did not try that - will try now... bbs (I will try anything about now!) |
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| 20:49.48 | zinx | brotwurst: ubuntu isn't debian, german isn't english |
| 20:49.50 | abrotman | vin`: might not matter |
| 20:49.51 | brotwurst | how does apt-get work? |
| 20:50.01 | brotwurst | and how to search for files? |
| 20:50.08 | abrotman | !tell brotwurst about search |
| 20:50.10 | Capso | streuner_: New feature in 9625 nVidia Drivers. |
| 20:50.14 | fasta | tuv: I wanted to build a Debian kernel, but kernel-package uses stuff with syntax errors and doesn't even come further than make-kpkg clean. |
| 20:50.18 | streuner_ | brotwurst: troll somewhere else |
| 20:50.32 | fasta | !kill brotwurst |
| 20:50.35 | abrotman | brotwurst: STOP THAT |
| 20:50.40 | brotwurst | ok |
| 20:50.40 | Capso | streuner_: Extra buffering for greater speed and flow in OpenGL rendering. |
| 20:50.42 | brotwurst | :] |
| 20:50.49 | tuv | fasta, couldn't that be a gcc version issue? |
| 20:50.53 | vin` | fasta: should work fine, search bts, file bugs if none are there, etc. |
| 20:50.57 | streuner_ | Capso: hm |
| 20:51.17 | streuner_ | brotwurst: go away |
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| 20:51.23 | fasta | vin`: I mailed the maintainer, since my reportbug was misconfigured (my mistake). |
| 20:51.53 | fasta | vin`: If I would have paid him $10K it would already had been fixed, I think. |
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| 20:52.12 | sarefo | hi, i was here yesterday, and my problem persists: my newly installed etch disconnects from the DSL router after a short but random while. |
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| 20:52.24 | vin` | fasta: try to make sense. |
| 20:52.25 | fasta | tuv: nah, the syntax error was in a version_vars.mk |
| 20:52.25 | abrotman | any luck ? |
| 20:52.32 | langner | disabling DRI did not change the situation |
| 20:52.32 | sarefo | i tried to ping the router from a different machine (winXP) at the same time, and this works ok. |
| 20:52.49 | sarefo | i also changed the cables between the two. the problem should definitely be in etch. |
| 20:52.55 | abrotman | langner: Option "DPMS" "Off" ? |
| 20:53.00 | streuner_ | dpkg, ops "brotwurst" trolls and spams people |
| 20:53.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: streuner_ complains about: "brotwurst" trolls and spams people |
| 20:53.11 | fasta | vin`: What don't you understand? If I would have sent him a huge pile of money he would probably have already fixed it. Now, he didn't even responded yet. |
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| 20:53.28 | sarefo | so, does anybody have an idea what could be wrong that etch cannot ping the router, maybe some value is set to high? |
| 20:53.31 | abrotman | streuner_: you didn't need quotes :) |
| 20:53.36 | abrotman | MTU ? |
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| 20:53.48 | streuner_ | azeem: thanks |
| 20:53.49 | azeem | brotwurst: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 20:53.51 | azeem | for now |
| 20:53.52 | langner | abrotman: you mean in Section "Monitor"? |
| 20:53.54 | vin` | fasta: which kernel were to trying to compile? |
| 20:53.56 | abrotman | yep |
| 20:53.58 | azeem | brotwurst: please reconsider your behaviour |
| 20:54.05 | streuner_ | azeem: look at his realname... |
| 20:54.10 | fasta | vin`: 2.6.18 |
| 20:54.15 | azeem | streuner_: there are worse around |
| 20:54.18 | fasta | vin`: from kernel.org |
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| 20:54.28 | azeem | we don't require sensible real names in here |
| 20:54.43 | azeem | (though those kinds are a good hint, agreed :) ) |
| 20:54.49 | jetscreamer | why not just install the sid 2.6.18 |
| 20:54.49 | hjubal | added entries to sources.list and I get 'GPG error: http://people.debian.org ... NO_PUBKEY 212253A4F641D1A6', but I've added donald's key to apt-keys |
| 20:54.53 | abrotman | yeah .. my doesn't make sense |
| 20:54.54 | streuner_ | azeem: this realname is a shame at least ;-) |
| 20:54.58 | abrotman | hjubal: and run apt-get update ? |
| 20:55.12 | hjubal | abrotman, yes, done |
| 20:55.16 | langner | abrotman: but then I have to provide more info, I think |
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| 20:55.28 | abrotman | langner: more info ? |
| 20:55.31 | hjubal | apt-get complains that message |
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| 20:55.50 | langner | abrotman: vertical sync etc. |
| 20:55.52 | abrotman | apt-get update doesn't ... |
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| 20:55.55 | abrotman | langner: you do ? |
| 20:56.04 | Maulkin | ta azeem :) |
| 20:56.05 | langner | i don't? :) |
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| 20:56.57 | abrotman | langner: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370214 |
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| 20:57.32 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | hey guys, I'm trying to get a shell script to run on bootup automatically, how would this be accomplished? |
| 20:57.44 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | without a login |
| 20:57.45 | vin` | fasta: are you running sarge? |
| 20:57.46 | blondie | [5D]Silent_Chaos: when on bootup? |
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| 20:58.00 | fasta | vin`: no, testing/unstable |
| 20:58.06 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I want it running by the time the login screen pops up |
| 20:58.15 | vin` | fasta: which version of kernel-package? |
| 20:58.18 | hjubal | abrotman, have I to download donald's key from http://www.debian.org/devel/extract_key, right? |
| 20:58.24 | pstickne | [5D]Silent_Chaos, create it as a synv init script |
| 20:58.27 | abrotman | !tell [5D]Silent_Chaos about run at startup |
| 20:58.31 | pstickne | *sysv |
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| 20:58.57 | abrotman | hjubal: no .. what's the error again ? |
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| 20:59.09 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | !tell [5D]Silent_Chaos about sysv |
| 20:59.12 | beardy | Is devfs used in Sarge's 2.6.8-2-386 stock kernel? |
| 20:59.19 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:59.20 | fasta | vin`: 10.062 |
| 20:59.39 | abrotman | beardy: but udev does exist in sarge |
| 20:59.54 | streuner_ | beardy: ask in #debian-boot |
| 20:59.55 | langner | abrotman: how did you gather from that bug report that DPMS could be the problem? |
| 21:00.08 | abrotman | langner: i just was looking at your log and thought it might be something to disable |
| 21:00.13 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | how will update-rc know which runlevel I want the script executed in? |
| 21:00.22 | langner | :) |
| 21:00.23 | streuner_ | beardy: "fjp" is there... |
| 21:00.31 | beardy | abrotman: The reason I'm asking is that openvpn asks if a device should be created, and if I am using devfs, I shouldn't let it do it. |
| 21:00.47 | hjubal | abrotman, apt-get output it's in italian.. something like "W: GPG error: http://people.debian.org unstable Release: signs not verified, public key not available : NO_PUBKEY 212253A4F641D1A6" |
| 21:00.59 | abrotman | !apt-key F641D1A6 |
| 21:00.59 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys F641D1A6 ; gpg --export F641D1A6 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 21:01.04 | jetscreamer | apt-get install pkg-config linux-headers-`uname -r` && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8774-pkg0.run -anN |
| 21:01.14 | Rhizome | [5D]Silent_Chaos: um.... type update-rc.d and read ;) |
| 21:01.17 | vin` | fasta: if it is a bug, the maintainer will address it, he's probably held-up running a few votes in parallel. |
| 21:01.21 | abrotman | man update-rc.d ? |
| 21:01.33 | fasta | vin`: since my reportbug is working again, I will resubmit the report. |
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| 21:01.38 | C2H5OH | hello all |
| 21:01.45 | fasta | vin`: Then at least I can see he got it |
| 21:01.50 | langner | abrotman: could I take xserver-xorg-video-i810 from unstable and install it in etch? |
| 21:01.56 | C2H5OH | does any good samaritan have nautilus-data_2.14.3-2_all.deb ? |
| 21:02.07 | beardy | But there is a package called "devfsd" and since I don't have that installed, I guess I'm not using it in any way, devfs, I mean? |
| 21:02.08 | abrotman | langner: eh .. not sure .. |
| 21:02.21 | streuner_ | samaritans wouldn't recommend nautilus ;-) |
| 21:02.24 | wols | C2H5OH: snapshots.debian.org ? |
| 21:02.35 | abrotman | streuner: that's not what he asked |
| 21:02.40 | abrotman | wols: ti's wonky |
| 21:02.41 | C2H5OH | wols: server not found |
| 21:02.55 | sarefo_ | can anybody tell me where etch stores its network settings? |
| 21:02.56 | streuner_ | abrotman: well, thats MY answer... ;-) |
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| 21:02.57 | C2H5OH | streuner_: then, what's the recomendation? |
| 21:03.06 | streuner_ | use something else |
| 21:03.10 | ribasushi | what is the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? |
| 21:03.13 | wols | sarefo_: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:03.15 | langner | abrotman: gives dependency problems |
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| 21:03.23 | hjubal | abrotman, ok, key imported (it was my fault, sorry) |
| 21:03.24 | sarefo_ | thx wols |
| 21:03.27 | ribasushi | cdebootstrap does not say much in its apt info section |
| 21:03.32 | abrotman | hjubal: duh :) |
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| 21:03.33 | streuner_ | like gentoo or mc |
| 21:03.36 | vin` | langner: that's bound to screw up, either upgrade completely or reinstall. |
| 21:03.37 | abrotman | langner: yeah .. it probably would |
| 21:03.39 | streuner_ | !info gentoo |
| 21:03.44 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.55-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 770 kB, Installed size: 2428 kB |
| 21:03.54 | langner | abrotman: can I force it somehow? |
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| 21:04.05 | abrotman | langner: bad idae .. don't do it |
| 21:04.15 | beardy | streuner_: "fjp"? |
| 21:04.15 | langner | abrotman: why? doesn't work anyway |
| 21:04.16 | abrotman | langner: either go to unstable .. or wait it out |
| 21:04.25 | streuner_ | beardy: Franz Pop |
| 21:04.27 | sarefo_ | wols: any more detailed settings? as i said, etch disconnects at random times, while at the same time acting like it's still connecting with my dsl router (so only "ifdown eth0;ifup eth0" works). |
| 21:04.39 | beardy | streuner_: I don't know him.. |
| 21:04.49 | langner | abrotman: how long can the wait be? |
| 21:04.53 | wols | sarefo_: these are all the settings debian has or needs |
| 21:04.53 | streuner_ | beardy: just go to #debian-boot and find out |
| 21:05.07 | abrotman | langner: uhm .. probably have to ask the maintainer .. could be a week or so or maybe longer |
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| 21:05.24 | beardy | streuner_: Hmm, so they can answer any kernel question in the best way? |
| 21:05.36 | abrotman | beardy: there's a #debian-kernel ... |
| 21:05.55 | beardy | Why should I go to #debian-boot then.. |
| 21:05.55 | streuner_ | beardy: about debian installers (kernel) - i would guess so ;-) |
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| 21:06.20 | abrotman | beardy: i don't know .. streuner_ says weird things sometimes :) |
| 21:06.23 | streuner_ | beardy: because you asked a debian installer question? |
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| 21:07.00 | sarefo_ | wols: hum... then what would you propose goes wrong in my machine? does not seem to be hardware, appeared three or so days after i installed etch. |
| 21:07.00 | sarefo_ | is there a manpage for /etc/network/interfaces? for example, i'm not sure what "auto eth0" means. |
| 21:07.01 | abrotman | no he didn't |
| 21:07.03 | pinky | Why doesn't ifconfig return a given interface's configured gateway address? |
| 21:07.07 | abrotman | streuner: it wasn't even close to an installer question |
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| 21:07.20 | beardy | "[freenode] -!- #debian-kernel ##debian-kernel Forwarding to another channel" and I doubt ChanServ can provide me with a good answer.. |
| 21:07.21 | abrotman | sarefo_: man 5 interfaces |
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| 21:07.28 | abrotman | beardy: on oftc |
| 21:07.35 | beardy | abrotman: bah.. |
| 21:07.37 | streuner_ | beardy: they changed to OFTC |
| 21:08.06 | beardy | streuner_: No, I did not ask a debian-installer question. |
| 21:08.30 | sarefo_ | abrotman: thx |
| 21:08.32 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 21:08.51 | streuner_ | beardy: so a 2.6.8 kernel question isn't a installer question? |
| 21:08.54 | pinky | How do I find a network interface's configured gateway? |
| 21:08.57 | beardy | streuner_: No. |
| 21:08.58 | langner | abrotman: how can I force the install? |
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| 21:09.27 | peterS | pinky: netstat -r |
| 21:09.31 | abrotman | langner: it's a REALLY bad idea |
| 21:10.02 | pinky | peterS: Thanks... that's odd, I would think ifconfig should be able to display that... |
| 21:10.08 | langner | abrotman: this is the last thing I can try ( I think) before I downgrade to sarge |
| 21:10.17 | abrotman | langner: you can't downgrade .. you can upgrade |
| 21:10.27 | langner | abrotman: I mean re-install |
| 21:10.36 | peterS | pinky: 'configured gateway' isn't really a per-interface setting anyway. you normally just have one. |
| 21:10.55 | abrotman | langner: you can do a backport from sid if you want |
| 21:11.18 | peterS | pinky: if you look at how the routing table works, it makes sense for it to be its own entity, rather than bits of it being tied to individual interface configurations |
| 21:11.28 | langner | abrotman: what's a backprort? |
| 21:11.41 | abrotman | langner: you compile the software from sid for etch |
| 21:11.53 | brotwurst | how are you? |
| 21:11.54 | dpkg | brotwurst: pretty good. how about you? |
| 21:12.13 | sarefo_ | so, how can it be that 'ifup eth0' gives me "ifup: interface eth0 already configured", but 'ping 192.168.1.1' at the same time gives evidence that there is blocked data flow between etch and the dsl router? |
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| 21:12.20 | abrotman | !tell langner about simple sid backport |
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| 21:14.04 | langner | abrotman: thanks, I'll try that... do you think it will help? |
| 21:14.14 | langner | or is the problem in xorg itself? |
| 21:14.28 | streuner_ | sure |
| 21:14.33 | streuner_ | brotwurst: hau ab! |
| 21:14.34 | brotwurst | hey streuner |
| 21:14.37 | abrotman | brotwurst: knock it off already |
| 21:14.37 | brotwurst | why? |
| 21:14.41 | abrotman | brotwurst: knock it off already |
| 21:14.50 | brotwurst | what, abrotman? |
| 21:15.13 | abrotman | langner: it's in the package version in etch .. and your video card .. i have rev 01 .. you have rev 02 .. works fine here .. crashes for you |
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| 21:15.53 | langner | abrotman: so can the backport fix it? |
| 21:16.01 | abrotman | i think that's the idea |
| 21:16.07 | abrotman | brotwurst: STOP |
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| 21:16.27 | abrotman | !ops brotwurst is still doing it |
| 21:16.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: brotwurst is still doing it |
| 21:16.39 | brotwurst | doing what? |
| 21:16.44 | brotwurst | i dont get it |
| 21:16.47 | streuner_ | trolling |
| 21:16.51 | brotwurst | i just said hi |
| 21:16.53 | azeem | is he /msg you? |
| 21:16.54 | peterS | brotwurst: stop it |
| 21:16.56 | abrotman | no .. he's sending beeps to /msg |
| 21:16.59 | streuner_ | azeem: yes |
| 21:17.00 | abrotman | azeem: yes .. with beeps |
| 21:17.03 | peterS | brotwurst: you can say hi _once_. not 10 times. |
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| 21:17.12 | abrotman | peterS: he's msg'ing people beeps |
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| 21:17.14 | streuner_ | peterS: he is a troll |
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| 21:17.27 | brotwurst | :( |
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| 21:17.30 | abrotman | oh come on |
| 21:17.31 | azeem | !de |
| 21:17.31 | dpkg | well, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 21:17.36 | langner | abrotman: I get an error: "E: Build-Depends dependency for xserver-xorg-video-i810 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package xserver-xorg-dev can satisfy version requirements" |
| 21:17.48 | abrotman | langner: really ? |
| 21:18.13 | vin` | abrotman: he'll probably need a good chunk of 7.1 |
| 21:18.21 | MatBoy | I'm settingup my mtrg and my load is displayed in x100 stats... so a load of 0.01 is showed as 1. Can I calculate this with $10/100 ? |
| 21:18.27 | langner | or maybe install xserver-xorg.dev? |
| 21:18.48 | langner | nope. |
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| 21:19.46 | JDStone | I'm receiving this error: |
| 21:19.49 | JDStone | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26010/ |
| 21:19.59 | JDStone | can someone please help me? |
| 21:20.10 | abrotman | JDStone: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:20.28 | azeem | JDStone: check the log files |
| 21:20.36 | JDStone | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 21:20.44 | abrotman | JDStone: so please go to #ubuntu to get help |
| 21:21.30 | JDStone | they weren't able to help |
| 21:21.30 | abrotman | so what |
| 21:21.30 | abrotman | neither are we |
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| 21:21.31 | azeem | JDStone: then file a bug report, or ask on the lists or the forum |
| 21:21.31 | wols | JDStone: we cannot and won't support #ubuntu |
| 21:21.31 | JDStone | wols: why is that? |
| 21:21.46 | azeem | JDStone: because Debian and Ubuntu are different |
| 21:21.52 | JDStone | duh! |
| 21:21.55 | wols | cause it'S another distro we don't know much about, even when it'S "based on debian". they're different |
| 21:21.57 | azeem | and it is the choice of most people in here not to support Ubuntu |
| 21:22.04 | JDStone | fair enough |
| 21:22.05 | azeem | JDStone: please respect that |
| 21:22.09 | azeem | 23:12 < azeem> JDStone: check the log files |
| 21:22.13 | azeem | you got a hint anyway |
| 21:22.20 | JDStone | I respect it, sorry |
| 21:22.24 | JDStone | thanks anyways |
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| 21:24.11 | langner | well this is all too much for me :| I think it's high time ti reinstall sarge |
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| 21:25.14 | langner | thank you all for your help |
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| 21:27.18 | abrotman | where's dan2 ? |
| 21:27.29 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | how do I detach a screen from my terminal? |
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| 21:27.57 | vin` | [5D]Silent_Chaos: ^ad |
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| 21:28.41 | vin` | [5D]Silent_Chaos: ^a d rather. |
| 21:28.47 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | a=alt? |
| 21:29.01 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | or just 'a'? |
| 21:29.14 | abrotman | ctrl-a |
| 21:29.28 | vin` | [5D]Silent_Chaos: no, ^ is Ctrl, just a and then d. |
| 21:29.51 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | oh wow... screen ownz.. it autocompletes the -x cmd to reattach |
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| 21:30.29 | michael117 | I have a debian home server set up and I was trying to install python, but have been running into some strange errors with apt-get: http://pastebin.com/802297 Has anyone has this happen to them before? |
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| 21:31.39 | abrotman | damn pastebin.com |
| 21:31.44 | nizo | can any one tell me how to send messages via network |
| 21:31.47 | nizo | using linux |
| 21:31.53 | nizo | ?? |
| 21:31.56 | abrotman | talk |
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| 21:32.19 | michael117 | abrotman: Were you trying to view my output that I posted on pastebin? |
| 21:32.24 | nizo | i establish with my freind a LAN |
| 21:32.31 | nizo | and i want to say to him a mesage |
| 21:32.34 | nizo | how ? |
| 21:32.39 | michael117 | talk |
| 21:32.42 | michael117 | is the command |
| 21:32.50 | abrotman | michael117: change the postrm to just contain exit 0 |
| 21:32.56 | abrotman | erm .. 'exit 0' |
| 21:32.56 | nizo | ?? |
| 21:33.01 | nizo | can u explain more |
| 21:33.04 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:33.04 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:33.04 | langner | before I go off to install sarge :) I thought I would ask if it's possible to get vesa to output on an external monitor from a laptop (then I could maybe wait for the new xorg to go into etch)? |
| 21:33.07 | abrotman | nizo: man talk |
| 21:33.10 | michael117 | abrotman: Where do I change this? |
| 21:33.18 | abrotman | langner: hit the magic button |
| 21:33.25 | nizo | do u give |
| 21:33.29 | nizo | me a website |
| 21:33.59 | abrotman | michael117: /var/lib/dpkg/info/bug-buddy.postrm |
| 21:33.59 | abrotman | !tell nizo about u |
| 21:33.59 | nizo | where i find some documentation about that |
| 21:33.59 | abrotman | nizo: man talk .. ti's a freaking man page |
| 21:33.59 | langner | abrotman: you mean Fn+F4? |
| 21:33.59 | michael117 | nizo: enter "talk --help" or "man talk" |
| 21:33.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:33.59 | C2H5OH | does anyone have the package nautilus-data_2.14.3-2_all.deb ? |
| 21:33.59 | langner | does not work |
| 21:33.59 | nizo | no i don't have yet |
| 21:34.01 | nizo | linux installed |
| 21:34.19 | vin` | abrotman: does aiglx/compiz work with your card? |
| 21:34.20 | langner | abrotman: do I need a special utility for that? |
| 21:34.28 | abrotman | vin`: i'm on etch .. haven't tried yet |
| 21:34.34 | abrotman | langner: no .. on mine .. just switches output |
| 21:34.58 | nizo | any docums plz |
| 21:35.01 | nizo | website |
| 21:35.28 | abrotman | nizo: google "man talk" |
| 21:35.32 | vin` | nizo: type 'man talk' in a terminal. |
| 21:35.34 | abrotman | eh .. i bet that won't work so well :) |
| 21:35.41 | michael117 | vin: he's not even in linux |
| 21:35.45 | blondie | that sounds like a gay chatline. |
| 21:35.55 | blondie | (what's the number?) |
| 21:35.55 | michael117 | lol |
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| 21:36.39 | vin` | is reportbug broken? |
| 21:36.49 | abrotman | no idea |
| 21:36.53 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | in using update-rc.d, what if I don't want the service to stop until I run shutdown? |
| 21:37.00 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | which runlevel would that be? |
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| 21:37.08 | Zmanu | hello |
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| 21:38.16 | Zmanu | i want to add unionfs and squashfs to my debian, and compile kernel with, so i install them with aptitude, and before i install kernel-source, but when i run make menuconfig in filesystem i don't find it, is someone can help me ? |
| 21:39.00 | WoodyWoodpecker | What package is the manpage of '' libc ''? gcc-doc isn't it. |
| 21:39.33 | abrotman | manpages-dev ? |
| 21:40.54 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | is it possible to start a shell before login that is accessible via screen by a user that logs in? |
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| 21:41.31 | Zmanu | i find, but how can i apply patch on kernel ? |
| 21:41.40 | WoodyWoodpecker | abrotman: No, that wasn't the right one. |
| 21:41.46 | michael117 | abrotman: I tried adding the "exit 0" but am still getting the same error. Am I supposed to add "exit 0" to the very end of the /var/lib/dpkg/info/bug-buddy.postrm file? |
| 21:41.47 | streuner_ | gravity: hi |
| 21:41.53 | WoodyWoodpecker | I am running etch atm. |
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| 21:41.57 | abrotman | michael117: beginning |
| 21:43.05 | ttick | what's the popular mp3 ripping software? |
| 21:43.12 | gravity | Hi streuner_ |
| 21:43.20 | Zmanu | ttick: rip |
| 21:43.23 | WoodyWoodpecker | Zmanu: Read /usr/src/linux/README |
| 21:43.31 | ttick | hmm, the frontend |
| 21:43.37 | Zmanu | ttick: grip |
| 21:43.43 | Zmanu | WoodyWoodpecker: i read, thanks |
| 21:43.52 | ttick | ah, thanks Zmanu |
| 21:43.59 | Zmanu | np |
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| 21:45.08 | _Brandon_ | hi, i have a problem with disk partition, they are always marked as dirty |
| 21:45.16 | vin` | gravity: aiglx/compiz works well with i915. \o/ |
| 21:45.59 | gravity | Glad to hear it |
| 21:46.18 | abrotman | vin`: oh .. works okay for you ? |
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| 21:46.46 | vin` | abrotman: works well, much better than expected. |
| 21:47.10 | vin` | thought 915 would be slow, pleasantly surprised. |
| 21:47.14 | ttick | anyone know the quick/easy way to copy a music CD? |
| 21:47.15 | abrotman | vin`: better than 7.0 huh ? :) |
| 21:47.19 | abrotman | dd |
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| 21:47.52 | Zmanu | ttick: k3b if you want to copy from a cd to another |
| 21:48.17 | ttick | okay, thanks Zmanu |
| 21:48.49 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | when linux reaches the CLI login, what runlevel is it in? |
| 21:49.09 | vin` | abrotman: once you get it all working, sure. ;) |
| 21:49.18 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 21:50.41 | _Brandon_ | noone can help me with ext3 partition always set as dirty?:P |
| 21:51.15 | ldexter | fsck? |
| 21:51.23 | blondie | washing up liquid? |
| 21:51.35 | Braindead | _Brandon_: stop downloading pr0n on it |
| 21:51.38 | _Brandon_ | lol, also fsck doesn't work |
| 21:51.47 | Zmanu | i try to compile a kernel module (unionfs) when i do make i get a error /lib.modules/2.6.8-2-386/build no such file or directory is someone can tell me what is the problem or what is need |
| 21:52.36 | _Brandon_ | at boot it checks the partition and at the end it says something like fsck exit with error code 3 in red and reboot |
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| 21:53.00 | Braindead | Zmanu: use module-assistant |
| 21:53.27 | ldexter | _Brandon_: Does it mention anything about running fsck manually? |
| 21:53.30 | havocologe | how i would install links2 with apt-get, without installing xfree86-common with it ? |
| 21:53.30 | _Brandon_ | then it boot properly but the partition it's still set to dirty |
| 21:53.31 | ldexter | If so, try running it manually |
| 21:53.41 | ldexter | fsck /dev/hd<blah> |
| 21:53.56 | _Brandon_ | ldexter: i've did it a lot of time |
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| 21:54.17 | reto_ | where can I find out more about: Call for votes for "GR: Recall the project leader" |
| 21:54.26 | ldexter | Try it one more time so we can see the exact error message you're getting. |
| 21:54.34 | reto_ | is that somebody playing with the voting system? |
| 21:54.40 | ldexter | Without it, we're just going to speculate all day/night and never get your problem solved. |
| 21:54.46 | Zmanu | Braindead: gonna try, thanks |
| 21:56.24 | abrotman | havocologe: there's no damage to installing that .. it's not actualyl X |
| 21:56.34 | Zmanu | Braindead: when i run module-assistant, it say source are not configured |
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| 21:57.10 | _Brandon_ | ldexter: fsck in read-only mode or i have to reboot with a livecd? |
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| 21:57.31 | federer | hi |
| 21:57.40 | Braindead | Zmanu: m-a prepare && RTFM |
| 21:57.47 | federer | how do i install 32bit deb in 64 bit deb system? |
| 21:57.51 | Zmanu | Braindead: i do it, that's ok, thanks |
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| 21:58.21 | ldexter | _Brandon_: Try booting into single user mode |
| 21:58.35 | ldexter | _Brandon_: or just do it read-only first |
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| 21:58.56 | _Brandon_ | ldexter: ok |
| 21:59.39 | wireddd | so can I get iceweasal yet? |
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| 22:01.27 | stew | wireddd: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
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| 22:01.45 | `ns` | yay iceweasel ! it needs a good weasel logo :) |
| 22:02.43 | wireddd | stew, yes I know all about that, I was just wondering if it had been done yet |
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| 22:04.17 | dekup | hi i have update my kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.18(with apt-get install). but when i boot with new kernel, my ethernet card doesnt running.. it is pcmcia.. what can i do? |
| 22:04.27 | wireddd | more specifically if it was going to be in the debian repositories any time soon |
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| 22:07.41 | Transmutated | if one wishes to replicate their system onto another computer, whats the best way to do it, gzip everything and unpack? |
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| 22:07.49 | Malawar | apache2 is still wtfpwned :( |
| 22:08.21 | _Brandon_ | ldexter: ok i've did it but the log it's a bit huge to post here :P |
| 22:09.09 | ldexter | _Brandon_: pastebin.com |
| 22:09.34 | hjubal | bye |
| 22:09.35 | abrotman | Transmutated: you mean all the files? or the packages ? |
| 22:11.52 | _Brandon_ | ldexter: http://pastebin.co.uk/3747 |
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| 22:18.01 | ldexter | _Brandon_: Use a live CD and check that file system again, answer "y" to fix the problems |
| 22:18.08 | _Brandon_ | ldexter: ok |
| 22:18.13 | _Brandon_ | ldexter: thanks :) |
| 22:18.17 | ldexter | no problem |
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| 22:18.30 | ldexter | As always, make sure you have a backup though |
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| 22:19.46 | ahlfors | I'm looking for advice on mdadm. How can I build a RAID5 given N-1 of the N devices that will eventually form the array? (i.e. I want the array to start in degraded mode) |
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| 22:20.29 | d0uglas | if i'm trying to get fglrx fired up, do i want to disable the glx module when configging xorg? |
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| 22:21.37 | icmp | I am trying to install a sparc compiler by using "tpkg-install sparc-linux" and I'm getting this errordebi: can't read gcc-sparc-linux_3.4.3-1_sparc.changes! |
| 22:21.37 | icmp | debian: can't read gdb-sparc-linux_6.1-1_sparc.changes!: |
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| 22:22.02 | icmp | I have tried to alias debi as debi --noconf -asparc, with no luck |
| 22:22.34 | icmp | any help would be appreciated |
| 22:23.09 | rpc | how can i see all the packages installed on my debian? i tried tru apt-get but there isn't a "list" option or something |
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| 22:27.59 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 22:28.05 | abrotman | !installed |
| 22:28.05 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 22:28.19 | rpc | oh thank you very much |
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| 22:29.31 | netster403 | This is an urgent message: Adc-elites, a popular fansub for OnePiece is urgently looking for a new translator, for more information see http://www.adc-heaven.com . ThankYa ;) |
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| 22:29.48 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:31.48 | blondie | someone urgently needs a /kill |
| 22:32.42 | streuner_ | blondie: hehe |
| 22:32.53 | rpc | spam on freenode? can people be this stupid? |
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| 22:33.23 | streuner_ | rpc: keep in mind, not all ops are 24/7 around here :-) |
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| 22:33.53 | streuner_ | rpc: just use !ops <complaints> |
| 22:35.23 | pngwn | or just fucking ignore it |
| 22:35.40 | streuner_ | ignoring is bullshit |
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| 22:35.54 | rpc | spam is bad. i'm not going to let this guy just walk away |
| 22:35.58 | pngwn | calling ops for every little thing is bull |
| 22:36.01 | streuner_ | do you know the sense of ignoring? |
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| 22:36.12 | rpc | spam is not a little thing |
| 22:36.25 | streuner_ | pngwn: not for everything, but for spaming the *whole* channel |
| 22:36.50 | pngwn | you people spam more with bot spew |
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| 22:37.33 | rpc | pngwn me? |
| 22:37.39 | streuner_ | maybe, but we doing something against... |
| 22:37.48 | Yggdrasil_ | hello folks im having abit of a problem. i guesse i need to add a repository im looking for .. liblame-dev how can i find a repo thats got that ? |
| 22:37.59 | abrotman | !tell Yggdrasil_ about lame |
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| 22:38.03 | pngwn | rpc, no |
| 22:38.21 | abrotman | that's bot spew ? :) |
| 22:38.40 | Yggdrasil_ | abrotmen.. :) thanks. but is there somwhere that has all the codecs |
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| 22:39.11 | abrotman | i'm only one .... |
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| 22:39.24 | abrotman | !tell Yggdrasil_ about marillat |
| 22:39.35 | Yggdrasil_ | thanks thats lookin right |
| 22:39.44 | abrotman | which the other factoid told you about :) |
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| 22:46.45 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | for rc.d links, what number should I put after S__ for the link? Just one that isn't used by any other? |
| 22:47.18 | abrotman | that's up to you |
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| 22:48.09 | pantalaimon_ | how do i add or remove programs from that debian menu? |
| 22:48.12 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | what is the number? is it a pid? |
| 22:48.23 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | do I even need it? |
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| 22:49.39 | dererk | Hi all, I was wondering if you know an app to benchmark my box, do you know any? |
| 22:49.40 | Yggdrasil_ | abrotman thanks alot man. i think thats gonna get me goin again |
| 22:49.51 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 22:50.02 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | does prime95 bench? |
| 22:50.04 | abrotman | [5D]Silent_Chaos: it's just the order .. 01 will start before 99 |
| 22:50.10 | LoneWlf | cooooookie crisp |
| 22:50.13 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | oh, ok. thanks |
| 22:51.17 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | abrotman, what runlevel should I put the link in if I want it to start on boot without a login? |
| 22:51.21 | pstickne | [5D]Silent_Chaos, I'd use a tool to handle that |
| 22:51.34 | abrotman | !update-rc.d |
| 22:51.35 | dpkg | update-rc.d is probably used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf |
| 22:51.58 | pstickne | there was a cute little graphical one but it's slipping my mind |
| 22:52.08 | abrotman | dererk: there are quite a few benchmarks .. depends what you want to bench |
| 22:52.13 | abrotman | rcconf ? |
| 22:52.26 | pstickne | ahh, sysv-rc-conf |
| 22:52.27 | dererk | [5D]Silent_Chaos, I was thinking in a Linux OS based one :-) |
| 22:52.44 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | prime95 runs on linux doesn't it? |
| 22:52.47 | dererk | abrotman, I see, do you know some kind of "siut" ? |
| 22:52.47 | pstickne | I don't know if that allows setting the default prior though |
| 22:52.56 | abrotman | suite ? |
| 22:53.03 | abrotman | dererk: apt-cache search benchmark |
| 22:53.05 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | "You need a Pentium-class computer with Windows, OS/2, Linux, or FreeBSD" |
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| 22:53.32 | pstickne | no, no, sysvconfig is what I was thinking of |
| 22:53.46 | dererk | abrotman, that was the first thing I did :-P |
| 22:53.57 | abrotman | nothing ? |
| 22:54.06 | dererk | nope |
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| 22:54.20 | abrotman | dererk: i got tons of thinks |
| 22:54.22 | abrotman | things |
| 22:54.23 | dererk | one php benchmarking utility, but that's other stuff :-P |
| 22:54.38 | abrotman | to benchmark .. WHAT? |
| 22:54.47 | dererk | Package php-benchmark |
| 22:54.48 | dererk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.56 | abrotman | apache? disk? ram? farting ? |
| 22:55.09 | dererk | ! find benchmark |
| 22:55.11 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'benchmark' (2): libbenchmark-ocaml-dev ;; php-benchmark. |
| 22:55.20 | dererk | dpkg, thanks |
| 22:55.20 | dpkg | de nada, dererk |
| 22:55.22 | dererk | :-D |
| 22:55.23 | abrotman | dererk: stop being vague |
| 22:55.24 | dererk | LOL! |
| 22:55.51 | pstickne | bonnie++ seems to do quite well for disk io |
| 22:55.56 | dererk | abrotman, processing capacity maybe is more like what I'm looking for |
| 22:56.05 | pstickne | processing capacity _of what_? |
| 22:56.14 | pstickne | bogomips? fps? |
| 22:56.15 | dererk | of the machine :-P |
| 22:56.34 | abrotman | shouldn't you know how fast your CPU is ? |
| 22:56.52 | dererk | I do, but I was looking a way to compare effectively |
| 22:56.55 | pstickne | a 2 year old desktop PC with a dedicated video card will kick the shit out of most servers for playing games. you need to be more specific. |
| 22:56.56 | abrotman | !info contest |
| 22:56.58 | dpkg | contest: (The linux kernel responsiveness benchmark), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.61-5 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 22:57.05 | abrotman | that's about the best i can see |
| 22:57.12 | dererk | nice |
| 22:57.12 | abrotman | maybe lmbenh |
| 22:57.15 | abrotman | lmbench |
| 22:57.20 | pstickne | dererk, maybe sandra has a linux port? |
| 22:57.23 | abrotman | dererk: apt-cache search benchmark .. there are plenty |
| 22:57.29 | dererk | pstickne, would be nice |
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| 22:57.58 | dererk | abrotman, I believe you, but you already saw exaclty what I did at dpkg answer :-D |
| 22:58.07 | abrotman | that was the wrong answer |
| 22:58.16 | dererk | sorry? |
| 22:58.20 | abrotman | that searches package names .. not package descriptions |
| 22:58.30 | dererk | oh oh oh |
| 22:58.33 | dererk | You're right |
| 22:58.38 | abrotman | i know |
| 22:59.09 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 22:59.16 | abrotman | pseubodot: fix initng please! |
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| 23:00.34 | dererk | abrotman, btw, thanks once again :-) |
| 23:00.41 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 23:01.03 | dererk | :-)) |
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| 23:02.32 | mog | hi |
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| 23:04.04 | mog | does that bot happen to know about Creative Sound Blaster 5.1 |
| 23:04.14 | mog | live not audigy |
| 23:04.35 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 23:04.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 23:04.44 | Coweater | !sblive |
| 23:04.44 | dpkg | methinks sblive is a soundcard with an emu10k1 chipset. modprobe emu10k1 && echo emu10k1 >>/etc/modules, or for better performance and features use the ALSA driver smd-emu10k1 instead of the OSS lite emu10k1. See also sblivedell |
| 23:04.58 | mog | ahh thank you |
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| 23:05.17 | Coweater | the one liner should be all you need though |
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| 23:06.09 | mog | Coweater: are you talking about the one liner from one-liner or the one from sblive being (modprobe emu10k1 && echo emu10k1 >>/etc/modules ) |
| 23:06.33 | Coweater | the alsa one |
| 23:06.48 | mog | thanx pal. i'll look into that |
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| 23:07.30 | mog | !2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 23:07.30 | dpkg | well, 2.4 alsa one-liner is to install alsa on a 2.4 kernel: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-$(uname -r) && alsaconf ; if you are using a 2.6 kernel ask me about <alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 23:07.51 | abrotman | mog: uname -a ? are you running 2.4 ? |
| 23:07.58 | rpc | hm. does dpkg keep info of the total size of space taken by an installed package? |
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| 23:08.33 | Coweater | rpc: /msg dpkg info packagename |
| 23:08.47 | rpc | oh this is really nice |
| 23:09.23 | abrotman | or you mean dpkg on your system ? |
| 23:09.25 | rpc | thank you. i'm also wondering how safe it is to use apt-get remove... is there a chance that it will remove a shared file? like a lib needed by another packge? |
| 23:09.34 | abrotman | rpc: on your box .. apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 23:09.40 | rpc | abrotman i meant packages installed |
| 23:09.52 | MatBoy | is it strange to wget all you mrtg-statics from your systems to a system where you can serve them to the world with ? I see it as that you data is always on 2 placed (and I'm not counting the backup than) |
| 23:09.53 | rpc | oh damn it, very nice :) |
| 23:09.57 | rpc | thank you so much |
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| 23:10.19 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 23:10.24 | abrotman | !tell rpc about refcard |
| 23:10.27 | petemc | rpc: you can do that with dpkg-query |
| 23:10.30 | Ramattack | I'm trying to install squid with apt-build |
| 23:10.52 | rpc | abrotman thanks for that! |
| 23:11.00 | Ramattack | but get the next error... "Unable to find source information for squid at /usr/bin/apt-build line 477 " what could be wrong? |
| 23:11.11 | rpc | petemc thank you too... this network and this channel is *really* nice. |
| 23:11.23 | Coweater | rpc: it'll ask for confirmation and remove any dependent packages (assuming they were all installed using apt) |
| 23:11.23 | rpc | so much tolerance for people asking lame questions :) |
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| 23:11.48 | rpc | Coweater hmm.. that's not good then |
| 23:11.54 | udos | quick question: are there any backported mesa-gl/glu/dri packages available for stable newer than 5.0!?!?\ |
| 23:12.05 | abrotman | grr .. initng almost works |
| 23:12.22 | Coweater | rpc: why? you can't use a package without it's dependencies |
| 23:12.27 | tuv | rpc, would rather prefer being absolutely unable to uninstall packages with dependents? |
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| 23:12.50 | NaufraGo | is there any way to make my canon ip1600 printer work? |
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| 23:13.15 | MatBoy | NaufraGo, yes ! |
| 23:13.30 | MatBoy | NaufraGo, there is an Canon driver-project |
| 23:13.34 | tuv | rpc, think of it as a shortcut of uninstalling all dependents then the package providing the dependency |
| 23:13.49 | Coweater | rpc: if you installed something and it brought in libraries, uninstalling it isn't going to remove the libraries if you're thinking that (although aptitude can track those i believe) |
| 23:14.01 | rpc | Coweater i meant if it removes the package with all dependencies... that's good on one hand. but what happens when one of those dep. packages is still needed by another package? |
| 23:14.07 | NaufraGo | MatBoy, where can I find it? |
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| 23:14.16 | rpc | oh yes, that's what i just thought |
| 23:15.24 | tuv | rpc, then that other package is going to be removed to, after your confirmation. apt doesn't leave a package with unsatisfied dependencies |
| 23:15.29 | rpc | for instance i just removed whiptail and e.g. php4-gd is gone which i don't like at all |
| 23:15.37 | MatBoy | NaufraGo, You can install cupsys and see if it's already in cups |
| 23:15.42 | rpc | hm |
| 23:16.04 | MatBoy | NaufraGo, I saw a project some time ago when I was looking for some extra OfficeJet info for an HP |
| 23:16.26 | rpc | tuv so it won't break deps? that would be nice then |
| 23:16.28 | MatBoy | NaufraGo, http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon |
| 23:16.42 | rpc | tuv meaning that i can just apt-get install back what got lost in case i needed that |
| 23:17.09 | tuv | rpc, sure, but most probably you'll get something else with it that was the reason for it get removed in the first place |
| 23:17.19 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 23:17.22 | rpc | hm |
| 23:17.36 | MatBoy | NaufraGo, http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/software/linux/ |
| 23:17.44 | rpc | well i just decided to remove each and every package that i never needed nor plan to use |
| 23:17.55 | mog | abrotman: yes it installed 2.4 by default for me. |
| 23:18.02 | abrotman | mog: you can install a 2.6 if you want |
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| 23:18.11 | MatBoy | NaufraGo, I also use Inktjet drivers for mY OfficeJet i thought... worked better. I have to switch over the the new HP-project |
| 23:18.14 | mog | i guess i should upgrade my kernel |
| 23:18.31 | mog | is it hard? |
| 23:18.33 | MatBoy | mog, install linux-image :) |
| 23:18.38 | abrotman | MatBoy: no |
| 23:18.42 | abrotman | mog: what is your CPU ? |
| 23:18.44 | rpc | for instance i will never ever use nvi... why waste 647KB of space :) |
| 23:18.48 | MatBoy | abrotman, why not ? |
| 23:18.50 | tuv | rpc, there are packages that you are not aware of your need for, but are their to satisfy dependencies of packages you need, so you will loose some of your needed packages in the process when you remove some of their dependencies |
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| 23:18.53 | abrotman | MatBoy: he's on sarge |
| 23:18.58 | pantalaimon_ | how can i change the debian menu on my desktop? |
| 23:19.00 | mog | an amd athlon xp 2100 |
| 23:19.15 | abrotman | mog: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 23:19.19 | MatBoy | abrotman, is it not recommended to do it on sarge with packages from etch ? |
| 23:19.21 | rpc | tuv hm yes, i just realised about that - not every package is meant to be of a "direct use" |
| 23:19.23 | abrotman | or apt-get if you prefer |
| 23:19.27 | abrotman | MatBoy: no .. wtf |
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| 23:19.38 | tuv | rpc, right |
| 23:20.05 | MatBoy | mog, server or Workstation ? |
| 23:20.10 | abrotman | dude |
| 23:20.20 | abrotman | just stop already |
| 23:20.21 | mog | MatBoy how can i tell? |
| 23:20.21 | tuv | rpc, but you can use deborphan to identify packages you really don't need |
| 23:20.25 | mog | i think it's a work station |
| 23:20.31 | MatBoy | mog, where are you going to use it for ? |
| 23:20.34 | abrotman | mog: it's your machine .. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 23:20.35 | MatBoy | ok |
| 23:20.53 | mog | well i do intend on running BIND |
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| 23:21.03 | rpc | tuv hm.. never heard of that? |
| 23:21.06 | mog | but it may be a work station |
| 23:21.12 | abrotman | mog: that's ok .. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 23:21.14 | MatBoy | mog, if you want more new stuff on your WS, use Etch... it you "never" want to have a problem use Sarge :) |
| 23:21.20 | tuv | rpc, you just did :) |
| 23:21.26 | abrotman | MatBoy: holy shit .. shut up |
| 23:21.34 | rpc | tuv yeah, very nice.. installing and reading up :) |
| 23:21.35 | MatBoy | abrotman, damn, it's the way it is |
| 23:21.40 | abrotman | MatBoy: not for everyone |
| 23:21.58 | msn | i am trying to us Highpoint RocketRAID 1542 in sarrge with kernel 2.6.8-3-686-smp I am not even able to detect the card let alone use the RAID or the SATA drives |
| 23:22.01 | MatBoy | abrotman, sorry, but I can assure you that Etch has newer packages than Sarge... you know it also ;) |
| 23:22.08 | abrotman | MatBoy: NO SHIT .. shut up already |
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| 23:22.20 | MatBoy | abrotman, not already... :D I'm still talking |
| 23:22.28 | MatBoy | abrotman, just ignore me ;) |
| 23:22.41 | abrotman | MatBoy: i have to correct everything you say .. i can't do that |
| 23:22.43 | MatBoy | abrotman, I ignore you also most of the time |
| 23:22.51 | abrotman | msn: i think you need binary drivers for that |
| 23:22.53 | mog | cool i got it thanx guys |
| 23:22.58 | abrotman | msn: it's a sata controller ? |
| 23:22.59 | MatBoy | abrotman, no, you are still not Mister Perfect... |
| 23:23.09 | rpc | tuv: i have just "guessed" python libs.. i don't use python at all, can i just remove ALL those libs safely then? |
| 23:23.14 | abrotman | MatBoy: i thought you had me on ignore .. |
| 23:23.24 | mog | but how can i tell if my Debian installation was configured for a server or workstation ? |
| 23:23.28 | rpc | and be sure that deborphan guessed it properly... |
| 23:23.32 | abrotman | mog: you pick as you install things |
| 23:23.39 | mog | i think i chose server |
| 23:23.41 | lunitik | mog: on Debian, that is irrelivant |
| 23:23.53 | mog | ok |
| 23:23.53 | abrotman | mog: start with apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 .. we'll go from there |
| 23:23.54 | mog | i did |
| 23:23.59 | lunitik | mog: just use whatever software you want... makes no difference |
| 23:24.01 | abrotman | did it configure your bootloader ? |
| 23:24.02 | MatBoy | abrotman, I ignore you by myself... I'm not that way... |
| 23:24.02 | tuv | rpc, you can run the remove command and see what else will get removed, if any, then decide. apt will ask for your confirmation before removing anything you did not specify |
| 23:24.21 | abrotman | MatBoy: good for you |
| 23:24.21 | rpc | tuv mhm |
| 23:24.23 | MatBoy | MatBoy, and if I won't, I wont |
| 23:24.25 | mog | oh yea, i have to have grub.conf point to the new kernel |
| 23:24.29 | MatBoy | abrotman, not your problem :) |
| 23:24.34 | abrotman | duh |
| 23:24.42 | abrotman | mog: it should have updated it when you installed it |
| 23:24.47 | tuv | rpc, you might want to use aptitude instead of apt-get. it removes unneeded dependencies automatically so it'll save you some effort |
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| 23:24.49 | mog | oh neat |
| 23:24.57 | lunitik | mog: nah... update-grub is ran automagically |
| 23:24.57 | abrotman | mog: you can restart the machine .. and it will hopefully boot up correctly |
| 23:26.15 | rpc | tuv you are very very useful and have great knowledge.. i do appreciate again. |
| 23:26.51 | rpc | he he |
| 23:26.57 | rpc | just run aptitude.. looks nice |
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| 23:28.30 | zaphands | Hello! How do I change my default editor to be gvim? |
| 23:29.01 | tuv | zaphands, update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 23:30.01 | zaphands | tuv, gvim is not in the options. I tried to add it be it runs vim all the time. |
| 23:30.13 | tuv | zaphands, is it installed? |
| 23:30.23 | zaphands | tuv, ofcourse :-) |
| 23:30.32 | zaphands | I use it right now |
| 23:30.50 | tuv | zaphands, then gvim cannot act as 'editor' |
| 23:31.00 | tuv | zaphands, looks like editor has to be CLI |
| 23:31.10 | zaphands | oh.. |
| 23:31.51 | zaphands | Does anyone know how to change crossvc's default editor? |
| 23:32.48 | icmp | EDITOR env variable? |
| 23:33.04 | zaphands | trying... |
| 23:33.22 | icmp | export EDITOR=vim , or something |
| 23:33.42 | zaphands | yay! EDITOR works! |
| 23:33.47 | zaphands | will add to bashrc |
| 23:33.48 | zaphands | thanks. |
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| 23:35.25 | zaphands | oh... I made a two scripts (one for root, and one for user) to configure all(!) Logitech's Media Keyboard Elite keys. How do I add them to the startup? |
| 23:35.55 | zaphands | sh scripts. |
| 23:36.57 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 23:36.57 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README |
| 23:37.44 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | how do I execute something while in a different directory? |
| 23:37.56 | Pryon | specify the path |
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| 23:38.05 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | ./<path> ? |
| 23:38.09 | abrotman | sure |
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| 23:38.24 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | that's not working |
| 23:38.27 | blondie | huh |
| 23:38.31 | blondie | ./program |
| 23:38.37 | phogg | [5D]Silent_Chaos: specify the full path from root, then |
| 23:38.41 | blondie | /path/to/program |
| 23:38.41 | abrotman | then use the full payth |
| 23:38.48 | zinx | !tell [5D]Silent_Chaos about fundamentals |
| 23:40.05 | zaphands | I tried to edit my xdm-config so it would run an xmessage with reboot and shutdown options. While it worked perfectly on Gentoo, it didn't work on debian. Does anyone know why? |
| 23:40.32 | zinx | why not use gdm instead? |
| 23:40.35 | zaphands | http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_XDM_Login_Screen_Customization |
| 23:40.41 | zaphands | That's what I tried^ |
| 23:40.51 | zaphands | I love XDM :-) |
| 23:41.05 | zaphands | and I don't use gnome. |
| 23:41.21 | zaphands | I use WindowMaker |
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| 23:42.04 | icmp | I am trying to install a sparc compiler by using "tpkg-install sparc-linux" and I'm getting this errordebi: can't read gcc-sparc-linux_3.4.3-1_sparc.changes! |
| 23:42.10 | icmp | I have tried to alias debi as debi --noconf -asparc, with no luck |
| 23:42.11 | phogg | zaphands: I'd guess security first. Debian might be restricting who can open X clients where gentoo didn't. But it's only a guess. |
| 23:42.13 | icmp | any help would be appreciated |
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| 23:43.17 | zaphands | Oh... How do I disable that nasty feature? I also hate it when I su to root and can't launch any X application. |
| 23:44.01 | petemc | zaphands: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 23:45.42 | zaphands | Thanks.. but that doesn't solve the XDM issue.. |
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| 23:46.22 | petemc | it wasnt supposed to |
| 23:47.01 | zaphands | ok.. Thanks everyone. good night! |
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| 23:49.07 | unstable | What is a simple command to output my ip? |
| 23:49.12 | unstable | I just want the ip of my machine. |
| 23:49.17 | ahlfors | ifconfig |
| 23:49.31 | unstable | ahlfors: That gives me all kinds of other information. |
| 23:49.35 | unstable | How can I just get the ip, and that is it. |
| 23:50.10 | abrotman | ip addr | grep inet ? |
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| 23:51.23 | ahlfors | ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr' | cut -d ':' -f 2 | cut -d ' ' -f 1 |
| 23:51.31 | smcavoy_ | hello, I've got a amd dual core (am2) chip on an nforce 570 board, running sarge with 2.6.16. The clock is running way to fast anyone have suggestions on what can be done? google hasn't been overly helpful sof far |
| 23:51.49 | ahlfors | smcavoy_, work fast, time flies! |
| 23:51.59 | abrotman | there's a file you can change for ntp |
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| 23:54.15 | smcavoy_ | abrotman, you mean to have ntp constantly correct the time? |
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| 23:54.33 | abrotman | no .. it's up .. let me see if i can find it |
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| 23:56.11 | abrotman | smcavoy_: ntp.drift i think |
| 23:57.01 | smcavoy_ | abrotman, hmm... seems like a less then ideal solution. I mean the clock shouldn't be count in 1 sec as 3 or more |
| 23:57.22 | ahlfors | ntp might be able to reset the clock every second or so, but that's like trying to extinguish a magnesium fire |
| 23:57.43 | ahlfors | with a garden hose |
| 23:57.46 | abrotman | smcavoy_: huh ? |
| 23:58.00 | abrotman | smcavoy_: you use the drift file to control that |
| 23:58.06 | abrotman | i think .. i'm looking for docs |
| 23:58.58 | zinx | decent ntp daemons can skew the clock instead of stepping it |
| 23:59.31 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.41 | zinx | but it probably won't help if your clock is running way too fast |
| 23:59.48 | abrotman | zinx: sure .. but if it's a bad clock .. slewing won't help |
| 23:59.53 | zinx | right |
