| 00:00.17 | zinx | smcavoy_: try disabling acpi and possibly apic |
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| 00:01.28 | ahlfors | I always get acpi and apic confused |
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| 00:01.47 | smcavoy_ | booted with noapic acpi=off irqpoll nolapi |
| 00:02.02 | smcavoy_ | these nforce boards seem like crap for linux boxen |
| 00:03.40 | abrotman | nah .. it's all nvidia hardware |
| 00:04.12 | icmp | smcavoy_: because they have to be reverse engineered |
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| 00:05.33 | zinx | ahlfors: APIC = Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller |
| 00:05.40 | zinx | ahlfors: it's PIC w/ an A in front |
| 00:05.48 | d0uglas | what is beagled-healper and why is it eating up all of my cpu? |
| 00:06.02 | zinx | ahlfors: ACPI is some crazy power management interface thing, i forget what it stands for |
| 00:06.42 | ahlfors | zinx, thanks but it probably won't help my confusion. I know what they stand for, I just get the two mixed up. |
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| 00:06.49 | zinx | ahlfors: oh :x |
| 00:07.03 | john | quick question, I just installed a new harddrive (slave) and was wonderin' how to go about recognizing it |
| 00:07.05 | ahlfors | But then I also confuse NFS (network file system) and NSF (the national science foundation) |
| 00:07.12 | zinx | ahlfors: well, it's hard to get programmable interrupt controller out of acpi |
| 00:07.20 | zinx | ahlfors: unless you're french |
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| 00:07.38 | d0uglas | john: did you get the jumpers right? |
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| 00:07.53 | abrotman | john: does the BIOS see it ? |
| 00:08.32 | john | well, i'm sure the jumpers are in place. and i didn't check the bios to see if it was recognized |
| 00:08.41 | abrotman | that'd be the place to start |
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| 00:10.58 | john | nevermind :) |
| 00:11.02 | john | i got it :P |
| 00:11.08 | john | I looked at dmesg |
| 00:11.10 | varvar__ | I have some problems |
| 00:11.14 | john | and saw it was there on hdb1 |
| 00:11.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:11.21 | john | so i created that in /etc/fstab, and mounted it |
| 00:11.23 | john | and :P |
| 00:11.27 | john | thanks though guys |
| 00:11.40 | john | Well, i shall return, much work to do on this drive. ;/ |
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| 00:11.54 | varvar__ | If I want to download some debs which I have installed,what command should I use |
| 00:12.17 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 00:12.25 | abrotman | if they're installed .. why does it matter ? |
| 00:13.06 | varvar__ | I just want to store it. |
| 00:14.03 | abrotman | look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 00:15.35 | varvar__ | when I use apt-get install -d need.deb,It just reminds me that I have the latest debs |
| 00:15.56 | abrotman | look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 00:19.10 | varvar__ | because I use apt-get clean,there are no debs in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:21.34 | varvar__ | when I use dpkg,I press tab |
| 00:21.43 | varvar__ | grep-status: /var/lib/dpkg/status:11682: expected a colon. |
| 00:22.05 | varvar__ | why it displays such a message |
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| 00:30.42 | varvar__ | I use sid,I install xserver-xgl and compiz |
| 00:31.06 | varvar__ | xgl is started,But when I use compiz --replace gconf |
| 00:31.22 | varvar__ | There is someting wrong |
| 00:31.41 | varvar__ | Error messages:/usr/bin/compiz.real: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/compiz.real: undefined symbol: XCompositeGetOverlayWindow |
| 00:31.43 | abrotman | !cn |
| 00:31.44 | dpkg | cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 00:32.22 | varvar__ | thanks |
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| 00:34.55 | efaistos_ | varvar__: is it a pkg for xgl ? |
| 00:35.22 | abrotman | debian desont' have xgl |
| 00:35.57 | varvar__ | It is a deb |
| 00:36.06 | efaistos_ | varvar__: from ubuntu ? |
| 00:36.07 | varvar__ | I can start xgl |
| 00:36.11 | varvar__ | yes |
| 00:36.22 | abrotman | varvar__: you're using ubuntu or debian ? |
| 00:36.26 | varvar__ | debian |
| 00:36.33 | abrotman | varvar__: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:36.49 | efaistos_ | abrotman: shouldn't work correctly |
| 00:36.50 | jair | guys, if I install a .deb package using "dpkg -i" how can I remove and purge that debian package? I had try "dpkg -purge namepackage.deb" and nothing get all kind of help menus :( |
| 00:36.59 | efaistos_ | s/abrotman/varvar |
| 00:37.11 | abrotman | efaistos_: huh ? |
| 00:37.15 | varvar__ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:37.17 | efaistos_ | jair: dpkg --purge pkgh |
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| 00:37.32 | jair | and I know is a whay I can check all the package I has been installed on the machine using dpkg something ? |
| 00:37.48 | varvar__ | abortman:Is is related to libc |
| 00:37.55 | efaistos_ | dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 00:37.55 | dpkg | ii | grep ^ii 3.3-4 efaistos_'s private gamp collection |
| 00:37.58 | abrotman | there is no xgl in debian |
| 00:38.05 | jair | efaistos_: without the .deb? and it could be anywhere on the system? or it have to be on "/"? |
| 00:38.25 | jair | efaistos_: Let me check all that |
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| 00:38.46 | varvar__ | abrotman:I know that |
| 00:38.59 | varvar__ | but someone has succeed installing xgl |
| 00:38.59 | efaistos_ | jair: just dpkg -l |grep ^ii just |
| 00:39.06 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 00:39.23 | jair | efaistos_: yes that will be to check the packages I have installed correct? |
| 00:39.37 | efaistos_ | varvar__: dont cry if your system goes to hell :) |
| 00:39.46 | efaistos_ | yes |
| 00:39.47 | varvar__ | And when I use korraa to run xgl ,xgl runs smoothly |
| 00:39.50 | efaistos_ | jair: YeTr2 |
| 00:39.53 | efaistos_ | jair: yes |
| 00:40.01 | abrotman | so use korraa |
| 00:40.03 | varvar__ | efaistos:? |
| 00:40.09 | jair | efaistos_: ok let me try |
| 00:40.19 | abrotman | you're using packages that aren't in debian .. we can't help you with those |
| 00:40.37 | varvar__ | Thanks anyway. |
| 00:42.01 | efaistos_ | abrotman: would debian integrate XGL in a near future ? |
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| 00:42.16 | abrotman | efaistos_: afaik .. they're going with aiglx |
| 00:42.18 | abrotman | !aiglx |
| 00:42.18 | dpkg | somebody said aiglx was an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 00:42.31 | varvar__ | abrotman: another question |
| 00:42.42 | varvar__ | when I use dpkg -L some.debs |
| 00:42.43 | abrotman | ok .. but only one! :) |
| 00:42.50 | efaistos_ | ;) |
| 00:42.51 | jair | efaistos_: I am running this but I do not see that remove the package: dpkg --purge crystal_1.0.1-1_i386.deb |
| 00:43.06 | varvar__ | I mean,I want to the complete name ,so I use "tab" |
| 00:43.21 | varvar__ | but it displays grep-status: /var/lib/dpkg/status:11682: expected a colon. |
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| 00:43.34 | varvar__ | how can I fix it? thanks |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | no .. you use dpkg -L <pkg> .. leave off the ".deb" |
| 00:43.45 | abrotman | if it's installed |
| 00:43.52 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 00:43.53 | dpkg | methinks refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 00:43.53 | jair | efaistos_: the package still there: ii crystal 1.0.1-1 Crystal kwin decoration theme for Debian wit |
| 00:43.57 | jair | :( |
| 00:44.27 | efaistos_ | jair: weird ... |
| 00:44.57 | varvar__ | abrotman: I know what you mean.Before It works well,recently when I tab,it always display that message |
| 00:44.57 | efaistos_ | try again |
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| 00:45.35 | jair | ok |
| 00:46.29 | w32 | Have any of you ever installed xen on Debian host running kernel 2.6.18- I need some advice |
| 00:46.43 | w32 | xen 3.0.2 specifically |
| 00:46.46 | jair | efaistos_: this whas why :) dpkg --purge crystal |
| 00:47.13 | jair | I needed to put the name that appear on the "dpkg -l "name" without the version and the .deb :) |
| 00:47.13 | abrotman | varvar__: then fix that file |
| 00:47.28 | w32 | !xen |
| 00:47.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 00:47.54 | varvar__ | abrotman:How to fix it |
| 00:47.55 | efaistos_ | jair: of course :) I thought it was obvioous :) |
| 00:47.57 | w32 | thx dpkg |
| 00:48.09 | abrotman | put a colon there ? |
| 00:49.17 | jair | efaistos_: all right now I understand and know how to run it :) |
| 00:49.26 | jair | efaistos_: Thank you |
| 00:49.57 | efaistos_ | jair: you're welcome :): |
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| 00:51.32 | varvar__ | abrotman:where to put a colon |
| 00:51.46 | abrotman | no idea .. show us the line |
| 00:52.26 | DaveyB | On Gnome I used to have a shutdown button on my taskbar under Desktop, for some reason it has disapeared. Anyone know what has happened to it, and how to get it back? |
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| 00:53.19 | efaistos_ | DaveyB: an upgrade ? |
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| 00:54.43 | abrotman | probably has to reenable the system menu in the gdm.conf |
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| 00:55.20 | DaveyB | efaistos_, Haven't upgraded anything, apart from standard packages. |
| 00:55.26 | DaveyB | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 00:55.34 | abrotman | try running gdmsetup |
| 00:55.42 | DaveyB | Shit |
| 00:55.54 | DaveyB | That's what I was messing around with acouple of days ago |
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| 00:56.11 | DaveyB | :) thankyou abrotman you have probably just fixed it :) |
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| 00:56.49 | jair | that reference card ROCKS ! :) |
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| 00:57.27 | shadowarts | is there a way i can make so only certain packages are updated from a certain repository? |
| 00:57.37 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 00:57.37 | dpkg | hmm... apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 00:57.45 | efaistos_ | jair: :) |
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| 01:09.04 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde or #kde |
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| 01:11.43 | efaistos_ | does someone use reiser4 ? |
| 01:12.03 | jair | abrotman: ok |
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| 01:13.02 | Octoberdan | Would it be possible, in a one line command, to replace all instances of "foo" with "bar" in all files in a directory? |
| 01:13.31 | Agrajag- | yep |
| 01:13.58 | Octoberdan | Agrajag-: What should I look into to figure out how to do it? Or can you tell me off the top of your head? |
| 01:14.49 | Agrajag- | Octoberdan: sed. something like "sed -e 's/foo/bar/g' ./*" |
| 01:15.02 | Octoberdan | hmm |
| 01:15.04 | Octoberdan | Thanks! |
| 01:15.34 | karsten | efaistos_: Just ask. /msg dpkg ask. |
| 01:15.57 | efaistos_ | karsten: I cant mount it ... |
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| 01:16.12 | karsten | efaistos_: What is it? Fixed disk? USB? Floppy? |
| 01:16.14 | TheBlueWizard | Question: is Debian Weekly News on ice or what? |
| 01:16.36 | karsten | TheBlueWizard: Question: Who cares? |
| 01:16.39 | efaistos_ | karsten: no HD |
| 01:16.49 | karsten | efaistos_: ?? Clarify. |
| 01:17.18 | karsten | TheBlueWizard: I see it publishing Sept/Oct current. http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ |
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| 01:17.21 | TheBlueWizard | karrotx: I do....it is a nice recap of the happenings in Debian |
| 01:17.40 | TheBlueWizard | oops, I mean karsten, not karrotx |
| 01:17.40 | efaistos_ | i just used like i did for many other partitions, mkfs.reiser4 and then i couldnt mount it ... with mkfs.ext3 or mkfs.xfs I dont have any problem ... I just wanted to test reiserfs |
| 01:17.53 | karsten | TheBlueWizard: Right. I was thinking for a moment of one of the Planet or other spinoff news sites. Actually, I _do_ like DWN. |
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| 01:18.14 | karsten | efaistos_: Do you have reiserfs4 kernel support? lsmod | grep reiser |
| 01:19.10 | efaistos_ | karsten: arf I forgot to "insmod" it :) |
| 01:19.35 | karsten | TheBlueWizard: Looks like it should have been out on the 3rd. Might write the editors. |
| 01:20.38 | karsten | efaistos_: :-) |
| 01:20.38 | TheBlueWizard | hmm....ok...I will wait a week or so before pinging the editors |
| 01:20.39 | karsten | efaistos_: I'm surprised mkfs.reiser4 worked w/o that. |
| 01:20.39 | karsten | TheBlueWizard: Well, it's _been_ a week. |
| 01:20.39 | MatBoy | damn, my Debian Workstation install is swappig like hell |
| 01:20.49 | karsten | MatBoy: More RAM. What's installed? |
| 01:20.52 | pohwom | can you raid with 'fdisk' ? |
| 01:21.01 | MatBoy | karsten, yes indeed... I have 2GB now |
| 01:21.14 | karsten | MatBoy: Also: run vmstat 4 and note the bi/bo values |
| 01:21.29 | efaistos_ | karsten: I just loaded reiserfs module but I still cant mount this fuc!#@$ partition |
| 01:21.31 | MatBoy | karsten, but I'm running windows XP and 98 both taking in total 1GB of the 2 |
| 01:21.37 | karsten | MatBoy: _using_ swap (having memory in swap) is different from _swapping_ (actively paging memory in and out of swap). |
| 01:21.37 | TheBlueWizard | heh...DWN has been known to hiccup a bit, but a week is a bit unusual, I agree...I'd wait to see if that turns into a two week thing, and if so I would know it is a "problem" |
| 01:21.45 | karsten | MatBoy: ?? VMWare? |
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| 01:22.02 | MatBoy | karsten, yeah... you can;t live these days without windows :) |
| 01:22.17 | karsten | MatBoy: Fals. |
| 01:22.21 | karsten | False, even. |
| 01:22.32 | MatBoy | karsten, I know... but for some applications I really need it |
| 01:22.49 | karsten | !comfort MatBoy |
| 01:22.49 | dpkg | There, there, MatBoy. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 01:22.59 | MatBoy | karsten, not that I need it, but I need to be able to switch fast when Linux is not doing it like I need |
| 01:23.00 | Octoberdan | Agrajag-: It outputs a changed version of the file to the console, but the files themselves aren't changed. Do I have to do some trick with pipe? |
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| 01:23.13 | MatBoy | !hug dpkg |
| 01:23.24 | efaistos_ | karsten: any clue ? |
| 01:23.28 | karsten | MatBoy: Might reduce memory to guest(s), run fewer guests, or host guests on another system. |
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| 01:23.33 | karsten | efaistos_: ?? |
| 01:23.35 | Octoberdan | *piping |
| 01:23.39 | Agrajag- | Octoberdan: see the sed option -i |
| 01:23.42 | efaistos_ | karsten: I just loaded reiserfs module but I still cant mount this fuc!#@$ partition |
| 01:23.48 | karsten | efaistos_: Ah. What's dmesg / /var/log/kern.log say? |
| 01:23.51 | MatBoy | karsten, I was thinking of a Core2Duo with 4 GB of ram |
| 01:24.04 | karsten | MatBoy: Sure. Got one to spare? |
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| 01:24.41 | MatBoy | karsten, I'll have a look for you... my eyes are not that good on those moments :p ;) |
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| 01:25.15 | karsten | MatBoy: ;-) |
| 01:25.36 | MatBoy | karsten, but really, believe me.... I give more than I buy for myzelf |
| 01:25.40 | MatBoy | myself |
| 01:25.51 | MatBoy | I like when people are happy |
| 01:25.58 | karsten | MatBoy: Cool. |
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| 01:26.17 | PDani | hi |
| 01:26.26 | PDani | how can i convert my mpeg II audio file to mpeg III audio file? |
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| 01:27.07 | MatBoy | karsten, yep, that is my way of life :) I'm looking for a charity think to educate children with more OpenSource stuff.... just in some way. I'm figuring it out... can;t do it by myself... I try sometimes to do everything :) |
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| 01:27.28 | MatBoy | s/think/think |
| 01:27.29 | efaistos_ | karsten: unknown reiser4 fs |
| 01:27.30 | MatBoy | damn! |
| 01:27.31 | MatBoy | thing |
| 01:27.40 | karsten | efaistos_: OK... |
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| 01:29.00 | efaistos_ | karsten: I'm always using xfs but wanted to give a try to reiserfs |
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| 01:33.08 | NaufraGo | is there any stable version of tuxguitar for debian? |
| 01:33.15 | abrotman | of what? |
| 01:33.39 | abrotman | there's another in stable iirc |
| 01:33.41 | dondelelcaro | !+info tuxguitar |
| 01:33.42 | dpkg | tuxguitar: (Multitrack guitar tablature editor and player (gp3 to gp5)), section contrib/sound, is optional. Version: 0.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 832 kB, Installed size: 1392 kB |
| 01:33.45 | MatBoy | karsten, I found it... I already thought... the vmware guests are swapping into the Linux-swap-partition... I have disable that |
| 01:33.47 | dondelelcaro | !+info tuxguitar stable |
| 01:33.49 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:33.49 | MatBoy | I have to |
| 01:33.49 | abrotman | and i know there's an app to open gp4 |
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| 01:33.54 | dpkg | Package 'tuxguitar' does not exist. |
| 01:34.23 | abrotman | dguitar ? |
| 01:34.27 | abrotman | it's a viewer anyways |
| 01:34.31 | abrotman | !info dguitar sarge |
| 01:34.39 | abrotman | gah .. it's in etch! |
| 01:36.10 | Octoberdan | Agrajag-: rpl :-) |
| 01:36.25 | Octoberdan | Agrajag-: Thanks again for the help |
| 01:36.37 | efaistos_ | karsten: with Reiserfs 3 it's okay ... |
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| 01:40.37 | w3bD3v | hi again guys |
| 01:40.50 | w3bD3v | <--- googleme |
| 01:40.51 | w3bD3v | :D |
| 01:41.11 | w3bD3v | can anyone recommend a good server or channel for Macromedia Flash support? |
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| 01:41.54 | w3bD3v | hmm, no one |
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| 01:42.48 | w3bD3v | ok i'll ask one more time |
| 01:42.59 | w3bD3v | what is a good Macromedia flash channel? |
| 01:43.08 | w3bD3v | :( |
| 01:43.10 | w3bD3v | nvm |
| 01:43.11 | w3bD3v | c ya |
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| 01:53.45 | kill4killin | Can somone check pastebin for me and see if it is just me or if it is not working right now |
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| 01:54.20 | burritoortega | how do i install a package manually, overriding a dependency? |
| 01:54.24 | s0| | can I use apt to install from a source download? |
| 01:54.54 | MrNaz | s0| you cant... |
| 01:55.20 | s0| | is there a stupid easy way to install stuff that I can't find with apt-get install ______________ |
| 01:55.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell s0| about search |
| 01:55.38 | burritoortega | s0|: www.apt-get.org |
| 01:55.55 | burritoortega | s0|: www.debian-unofficial.org |
| 01:56.16 | s0| | oh christ I know about apt-cache search, what I want is not in there, I have found the source I want to flipping install it with getting a PHD in the OS. |
| 01:56.22 | kill4killin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:56.56 | dondelelcaro | s0|: if it's not in the OS (of course, most things are); then just compile it and install it, or use checkinstall, or build your own packages. |
| 01:57.47 | s0| | uigggggggggggggg |
| 01:58.27 | nvz | kill4killin: channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 01:59.01 | s0| | so I double clikc on the bz2 file then what? |
| 01:59.01 | burritoortega | s0|: try those links i sent you |
| 01:59.03 | craigevil | kill4killin try http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 01:59.08 | s0| | I looked at them |
| 01:59.14 | dondelelcaro | s0|: what in the world are you trying to install? |
| 01:59.21 | s0| | brl-cad |
| 01:59.26 | burritoortega | s0|: and backports.org |
| 01:59.34 | s0| | wtf is backports.org |
| 01:59.50 | burritoortega | s0|: save me the wtf please :) |
| 01:59.54 | burritoortega | s0|: that's no way to ask |
| 02:00.05 | dondelelcaro | s0|: so untar the tarball; install build-essential and the package dependencies, then configure and compile it. |
| 02:00.16 | s0| | I just want to dobule click on the flipping file and have the thing complie install...etc etc so I can use the app not deal with the OS |
| 02:00.20 | kill4killin | ok that works, thanks, ill upload my error message there and see if anyone can help me with that info |
| 02:00.26 | burritoortega | s0|: backports will let you add extra repositories with packages that have been "backported", that is ported from newer versions of debian to older (stable) ones |
| 02:00.29 | dondelelcaro | s0|: compilation doesn't work that way. |
| 02:00.44 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why we provide binary packages instead of tarballs to compile. |
| 02:00.45 | s0| | is there a way I can make it work that way |
| 02:00.50 | dondelelcaro | s0|: no |
| 02:01.01 | burritoortega | s0|: debian-unofficial will let you install packages not included in the official debian repositories |
| 02:01.04 | s0| | sweeet................................................................................................................................" |
| 02:01.14 | s0| | what is debian unofficial |
| 02:01.24 | burritoortega | s0|: i just explained it |
| 02:01.31 | burritoortega | sol: visit the links and read please |
| 02:02.08 | s0| | how about a link for step by step how to install a flipping app without using apt and not having to type 50 thousand things |
| 02:02.09 | dondelelcaro | s0|: http://www.google.com/search?q=brl-cad%20debian%20packages <-- seems to already be packaged unofficially. |
| 02:02.38 | dondelelcaro | s0|: it's different for every application; in the tarball itself there is generally a readme that explains their build process. |
| 02:03.01 | s0| | there is no tarball |
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| 02:03.10 | s0| | I got a gzbz2 or what ever file |
| 02:03.20 | s0| | and the link from google is dead |
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| 02:04.38 | dondelelcaro | s0|: so e-mail the person who packaged it and ask about it |
| 02:05.16 | dondelelcaro | s0|: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=289632 for details |
| 02:05.18 | s0| | it's not just this package, there is no simple way to download and isntall proams......... that Is what I would really like |
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| 02:05.27 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | finally figuring out how to do a specific thing with linux feels so good... |
| 02:05.39 | dondelelcaro | s0|: the simple way to install packages is apt-get install foo; |
| 02:05.44 | s0| | no it's PITA, OS should be transparnt |
| 02:06.02 | dondelelcaro | s0|: that's the whole point of what Debian does, and why we spend so much effort on it. |
| 02:06.04 | s0| | well I wanted to use apt-get install foo; but foo was not there |
| 02:06.30 | dondelelcaro | s0|: that happens; that means that someone has to go and package it. If you care enough about it, you can do it yourself, or you can hire someone to do it. |
| 02:06.31 | s0| | what debian is not transparnt I am spending hours just trying to figure out how to install crap |
| 02:06.46 | s0| | I would gladly hire someone to do it |
| 02:07.00 | dondelelcaro | See debian.org/consultants then; |
| 02:07.17 | adna | s0l: stop whining. |
| 02:07.32 | s0| | :finger: |
| 02:07.33 | aeronadix | s0|, installing on debian is the easiest thing in the world. Thats the best feature of Debian in my opinion. You just "apt-get install anything" |
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| 02:08.00 | s0| | ugggg who;s not reading now |
| 02:08.22 | s0| | I have said it once I will say it agian it's not in my list of apt things. |
| 02:08.34 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | synaptic is godly for installing |
| 02:08.43 | Kurtism | are there any programs that will create a kernel config file automatically based on the hardware present in your system? |
| 02:08.45 | s0| | now I have to go learn how to add more palces to the list which will surely update something on my system a break the heck out of everything |
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| 02:08.58 | abrotman | then don't use debian .. noone is forcing you |
| 02:09.07 | tuv | dondelelcaro, hey.. debian.org/consultants is nice to know about.. just knew about it.. thanks |
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| 02:09.12 | dfx- | where can I find some good up-to-date instructions for installing a generic kernel from the repositories? |
| 02:09.23 | abrotman | dfx-: sarge or etch/sid ? |
| 02:09.23 | dondelelcaro | Kurtism: no. If you want that, you're better off using a Debian kernel with udev to do it for you |
| 02:09.27 | amphi | s0|: you could just build the thing from src, and use checinstall or whatever |
| 02:09.29 | dfx- | sorry, sarg |
| 02:09.30 | s0| | <abrotman>, I am about 30 mins to switching back to windows |
| 02:09.41 | abrotman | dfx-: apt-cache search kernel-image .. install the one you want |
| 02:09.57 | abrotman | s0|: okay |
| 02:10.03 | dfx- | abrotman: just as easy as apt-get install blah, nothing else? |
| 02:10.16 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: you'll generally want kernel-image-686 or similar; (that'll depend on whatever the current kernel is) |
| 02:10.20 | s0| | amphi, I would like somethign that allows me to double click and have the app install having apt just use the soruce files I have. |
| 02:10.36 | MrNaz | when's etch due to become stable again? |
| 02:10.39 | s0| | why is this so ambigous |
| 02:10.41 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: yeah, ok ... thanks |
| 02:10.42 | kill4killin | would someone please go look at my xfree86 log file at http://paste.debian.net/14553 please, I cant seem to get my mouse to work in xfce |
| 02:10.44 | dondelelcaro | s0|: that cannot be done, becuase there's no standard way to determine what the dependencies of the source files etc. |
| 02:10.47 | karsten | MrNaz: /msg dpkg WIR |
| 02:11.02 | MrNaz | ta |
| 02:11.14 | amphi | s0|: double-click? |
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| 02:11.27 | MrNaz | karsten dammit a date was announced a while back you tool |
| 02:11.29 | amphi | s0|: what are you trying to install? |
| 02:11.35 | karsten | MrNaz: Not. |
| 02:11.38 | s0| | yeah you know in the GUI desktop envioment POS or whatever you all want to call it. |
| 02:11.39 | abrotman | !tell MrNaz about wwer |
| 02:11.41 | dondelelcaro | s0|: there are some source file formats where this is standardized, but there's no universal system. It's one of the main reasons why Debian exists. |
| 02:12.03 | kill4killin | ok, actually nevermind, i fixed it :P sorry about that |
| 02:12.11 | karsten | MrNaz: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 02:12.12 | dondelelcaro | s0|: in the cases where Debain doesn't actually package what you want, you either have to do the work yourself, or hire someone to do it, or beg for osmoene to do it. |
| 02:12.17 | MrNaz | No wonder companies still prefer Windows over Linux with this unprofessional attitude. |
| 02:12.20 | dondelelcaro | s0|: complaining about it doesn't help |
| 02:12.23 | karsten | MrNaz: Not sure what part of "no release date has been set" you don't understand. |
| 02:12.28 | abrotman | MrNaz: eh ? |
| 02:12.28 | DingoK | has anyone ever had the issue where multiple page print jobs seem to get sent to the printer as several single page jobs? (you can see the printer accepting each job individually) Can someone explain why this is happening ? |
| 02:12.37 | aeronadix | s0|, so you do dpkg -i package, how hard is that |
| 02:12.47 | dondelelcaro | MrNaz: we always release when we're ready. We may make estimates, but we don't generate schedules. |
| 02:12.59 | amphi | s0|: 'synaptic - Graphical package manager' sound like what you mean? |
| 02:13.02 | karsten | DingoK: Might need an end-of-file / end-of-page marker sent? Thought that was obsolete w/ CUPS. |
| 02:13.02 | dfx- | what's the first thing to look at when troubleshooting a laggy mouse? I just rcently got X working again and now my mouse is real laggy |
| 02:13.16 | dondelelcaro | amphi, aeronadix: he's talking about things that aren't currently packaged. |
| 02:13.33 | aeronadix | s0|, what are you trying to install? |
| 02:13.34 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: slow or lagging? |
| 02:13.47 | MrNaz | dondelelcaro i remember an announcement giving a month in which it was likely to be ready, given that its so close i dont think its unreasonable to expect this sort of thing |
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| 02:13.56 | amphi | dondelelcaro: oh, I thought he said he was after a gui package manager wotsit |
| 02:14.11 | dondelelcaro | MrNaz: it was originally projected to be december sometime; hwoever, there never are hard dates set. |
| 02:14.21 | abrotman | MrNaz: there is never a release date .. it's done when it's done ... they're trying to get it done around december, but that's not a guaranteed date |
| 02:14.28 | karsten | MrNaz: If you'd like a solid understanding of what Debian's about and what it promises (and doesn't) http://debiansystem.info/ |
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| 02:14.56 | DingoK | karsten: Well I'm unclear on whether I'm using CUPS or not. (I'm actually running openSUSE 10.1 on the machine in question) I used the "add a printer" wizard, and I tried the "cups" option first and that didn't seem to work. (the printer printed out what looked like HTTP headers instead of my actual print job) So instead I selected the "HP JetDirect" option (since that is what mine is..) and it works now, other than this minor problem. |
| 02:14.56 | MrNaz | dondelelcaro well thats all i was after... estimates are better than WIR, it gives you a ballpark for planning |
| 02:15.01 | karsten | MrNaz: Could be anytime between December and June at this point. Current aim is 12-18 month releases. |
| 02:15.15 | dondelelcaro | !wwer |
| 02:15.15 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html |
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| 02:15.40 | rgsteele_home | Hey guys. I've got a bunch of files/directories with spaces in them. However, when I execute a "find", bash seems to stick a carriage return in there. I've tried to use sed to remove it... by doing something like this: "for i in `find . -type f | sed -e 's/\n//'`; do echo $i; done" |
| 02:15.42 | DingoK | karsten: I asked the question in #suse first, but got no response. I figured maybe you guys in here would know. |
| 02:15.44 | rgsteele_home | But, no dice...any thoughts? |
| 02:16.01 | karsten | DingoK: Please don't look for non-debian support here. |
| 02:16.08 | MrNaz | karsten how about next time someone asks the question link them with the devs' latest timeline instead of autoresponding with WIR |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | i did! |
| 02:16.21 | dondelelcaro | rgsteele_home: find . -print0 |xargs -0; is your friend. |
| 02:16.25 | karsten | rgsteele_home: find <path> -type f -print0 | xargs -0 <do something> |
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| 02:16.38 | karsten | MrNaz: WIR *is* the canonical response. |
| 02:16.41 | DingoK | karsten: isn't this type of issue somewhat non distro specific? |
| 02:16.42 | MrNaz | abrotman yes, thanks... i did say "karsten" though |
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| 02:17.00 | abrotman | MrNaz: don't make me put on my sourpuss face :) |
| 02:17.04 | karsten | MrNaz: I was going to dig up a more specific reference if I can find it, but didn't have that one handy. |
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| 02:17.18 | MrNaz | karsten ok so add a little brains to the canonical response... perhaps WIR + url next time. |
| 02:17.27 | karsten | DingoK: First, it's off-topic. Second, some of us prefer supporting Debian when we're supporting Debian. |
| 02:17.43 | abrotman | isn't there a #printing or something ? or #cups ? |
| 02:17.47 | karsten | MrNaz: That particular URL changes. As I said, there's another one, I've got it referenced in dead tree form. |
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| 02:17.52 | MrNaz | karsten well if WIR is the most useful thing you can think of, then silence would be a better alternative. |
| 02:17.53 | abrotman | DingoK: there's also ##linux |
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| 02:18.01 | karsten | MrNaz: ... and badgering your support folk isn't generally recommended. |
| 02:18.10 | karsten | MrNaz: WIR *IS* the canonical response. For good reason. |
| 02:18.11 | MrNaz | karsten YOU are not my support folk |
| 02:18.19 | karsten | MrNaz: You are mistaken. |
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| 02:18.33 | MrNaz | karsten i believe i am no. |
| 02:18.50 | MrNaz | not* |
| 02:19.03 | dondelelcaro | MrNaz, karsten: relax and use /ignore if you must. |
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| 02:19.49 | MatBoy | damn, that "Root Me" Wallpaper-gill is really sexy :D |
| 02:19.56 | karsten | MrNaz: ?? |
| 02:20.00 | MatBoy | *girl |
| 02:20.03 | karsten | MatBoy: Erm. Share. |
| 02:20.10 | karsten | MrNaz: Missfire, NM. |
| 02:20.14 | abrotman | MrNaz: if you subscribe to the debian-devel-announce, you'll get emails about things pertaining to releases(among other things) |
| 02:20.17 | MatBoy | karsten, ah, you must know that one |
| 02:20.34 | MatBoy | karsten, ok.. she has a little bit a babyface :P |
| 02:20.36 | s0| | look you all want to make the OS better and all the junk, make it more main stream, so that everyone can use it and so windows will go the way of the doe-doe bird. I am mearly colorfully telling you all some of the shortcommins of the OS/DeksotpENvioment/USER EXPEINACE. don't think of this as complaints think of it as areas to improve apon. Don't think oh it's easy I just download complie, install to 50 diffrent paths, and then I set the users dp |
| 02:20.36 | s0| | endinces and lib dependinces and over here I tweak the compile so that it takes intoaccouynt the funkness of my mouse and keyboard setup then reconfig my GUI and vidoecard depnedicances libarty so taht I can see stuff and not have the kernel updates fork up the system even though I told it not update the kernenl, I am trying to install one of manny apps that are not listed when I do a apt-cache search xyz I wanted to check out all of the Open sou |
| 02:20.36 | karsten | MatBoy: nope. Well, not as wallpaper. Won't swear we haven't dated. |
| 02:20.37 | s0| | rce CAD apps that are running around, I did not want to spend hours trying to figure out how to intall crap that I can't find using the apt-thing. I would like if someone whould please tell me a link that does stupid user is a retard who does not know *nix, does not want to learn *nix, does not give a rats tail about anything other then using apps. and is sick and tired of OS this and OS that.... you all see this a someone who is compaining becua |
| 02:20.42 | s0| | se he can't isntall something and I spend the next 10 mins retelling the 700ish people in this room wth I am trying to isntall and then I get to answre the 50th person why it's not being found under my normal apt-get search ...etc and missing the probably more important thing of how to add some other worthless place to my apt list so I can easily intall one more GDMF app that I am looking for |
| 02:20.47 | karsten | !ops s0| spamming |
| 02:20.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: s0| spamming |
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| 02:21.06 | MatBoy | what that f*ck ! |
| 02:21.09 | abrotman | more like whining .. but close :) |
| 02:21.13 | MrNaz | abrotman aah... im only on debian-announce... i wasnt aware of that one.. i'll join it now |
| 02:21.18 | karsten | !beer LoRez |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | MrNaz: i believe that's it |
| 02:21.33 | Rug | Does anybody have any experience setting up Dell Servers? I just got one (second-hand) and I can't get it to recognize more then 2 SCSI disks at one time. (port #3 & #9 seem to be the only ones that work) |
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| 02:21.39 | abrotman | MrNaz: yes it is |
| 02:21.43 | dondelelcaro | s0|: please don't paste here again. |
| 02:21.50 | s0| | that was not a paste |
| 02:21.58 | rgsteele_home | karsten: I'm not quite sure how to apply something to each of the files using xargs |
| 02:21.59 | abrotman | MrNaz: you will get other things you may not be interested in such as emails about GRs |
| 02:22.01 | s0| | I actually tyed that ........................... |
| 02:22.04 | MatBoy | karsten, http://mbrix.dk/files/linux_chicks/chick_rootme.jpg |
| 02:22.06 | dondelelcaro | s0|: also, we're here for support, not for random complaints about the distribution; if you have random complaints, join in and help out. |
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| 02:22.12 | karsten | rgsteele_home: What're you trying to do? |
| 02:22.24 | rgsteele_home | chmod each of the files to 777 and g+s |
| 02:22.25 | MrNaz | abrotman i am already on a large number of mailing lists with postgresql and debian, so im used to that |
| 02:22.25 | LoRez | s0|: don't do that again. either way |
| 02:22.26 | MatBoy | karsten, there are more there |
| 02:22.30 | s0| | fine , I will calm down is someone would *BABY* step me though how to install something. |
| 02:22.32 | karsten | MatBoy: Oh yeah, her. |
| 02:22.33 | abrotman | MrNaz: ah ok |
| 02:22.45 | MatBoy | karsten, she is nice on a 19" WideScreen |
| 02:22.55 | MatBoy | I have Tux on 2 17" next to her :D |
| 02:22.59 | dondelelcaro | rgsteele_home: find . -type f -print0|xargs -0 chmod g+sa+rwx |
| 02:23.06 | karsten | MatBoy: No comment. |
| 02:23.17 | karsten | s0|: Ask. |
| 02:23.30 | MatBoy | karsten, my second 19 WideScreen is shipped :D |
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| 02:23.36 | dondelelcaro | s/sa/s,a/ |
| 02:23.56 | karsten | rgsteele_home: if dondelelcaro hasn't sorted it yet, what do you want to do? |
| 02:24.04 | karsten | rgsteele_home: I think you're set though. |
| 02:24.10 | dondelelcaro | rgsteele_home: although, I really hope you wanted to change the permissions on directories, not files. |
| 02:24.30 | dondelelcaro | (since making a whole bunch of files setgid and executable is just plain wrong) |
| 02:24.39 | s0| | someone told me that I can add some other place for my apt-get thing to look so that I don't have to read a ton to install brl-cad. I would thoes steps very much |
| 02:24.51 | karsten | s0|: apt-setup |
| 02:24.53 | rgsteele_home | Yeah, I'm making directories sgid |
| 02:25.10 | s0| | apt-setup not found |
| 02:25.11 | karsten | s0|: if brl-cad is a third-party app, you'll need its apt sources, if available. |
| 02:25.11 | rgsteele_home | and doing other things to the files |
| 02:25.14 | dondelelcaro | rgsteele_home: then you want find . -type d; and you probably also don't want random people to be able to write there. |
| 02:25.25 | karsten | s0|: as root |
| 02:25.28 | rgsteele_home | dondelelcaro: I'm doing lots of things to the files and the directories |
| 02:25.37 | s0| | can someone do this via PM, I can't follow things in this god fosaken Irc client I am using. |
| 02:25.42 | rgsteele_home | I was just trying to provide an example so I could get an idea of what I needed to do |
| 02:25.45 | rgsteele_home | btw |
| 02:25.51 | dondelelcaro | rgsteele_home: well, what I gave is an example. You should be able to figure out the rest |
| 02:25.56 | s0| | karsten I am root. |
| 02:26.04 | rgsteele_home | dondelelcaro: Indeed |
| 02:26.06 | rgsteele_home | :) |
| 02:26.09 | rgsteele_home | Thanks |
| 02:26.09 | abrotman | karsten: like you had any doubt |
| 02:26.26 | karsten | s0|: You're better of _not_ doing PM for several reasons. |
| 02:26.31 | karsten | s0|: What IRC client? |
| 02:26.35 | s0| | Xchat |
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| 02:26.44 | karsten | s0|: irssi is strongly recommended. |
| 02:26.46 | Rug | s0|: why not use irssi? |
| 02:26.57 | Rug | hehe sorry |
| 02:27.01 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 02:27.05 | abrotman | let him use xchat .. it's pretty dead simple to use |
| 02:27.10 | rgsteele_home | dondelelcaro: Suppose I wanted to perform two operations on the results found by xargs. Can I do something like: | xargs -0 firscommand secondcommand? |
| 02:27.12 | abrotman | karsten: like you had any doubt that he was running as root ... |
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| 02:27.19 | rgsteele_home | and wrap the commands with `` |
| 02:27.21 | rgsteele_home | ? |
| 02:27.29 | s0| | it's allso dijointed and a pain to read on. |
| 02:27.46 | karsten | abrotman: Actually, there was the slight possibility, covering all bases. |
| 02:28.03 | rgsteele_home | Or do I have to pipe to xargs -0 again? Admittedly, I'm guilty of not using xargs very much :-/ |
| 02:28.13 | s0| | can we just get back to teaching me how to isntall stuff that can't be found with apt- |
| 02:28.14 | karsten | s0|: You can save to file. I'd suggest clipping the useful bits to a textfile for reference. |
| 02:28.43 | karsten | s0|: What's this app you're installing? |
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| 02:28.48 | abrotman | could just /msg dpkg mg .. learn how to do it right |
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| 02:28.54 | karsten | s0|: .. and where is it from? |
| 02:29.19 | s0| | 1) what is wrong with pm, 2) I am stilling brl-cad I got the source files form..... drum rolll please.......... source forge. |
| 02:29.24 | trevo1 | Is there an #arabic channel on freenode? |
| 02:29.26 | Rug | s0|: Does the program you are trying to install have a .deb or are you trying to compile from source? |
| 02:29.35 | trevo1 | (sorry for the abuse on #debian) |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | yeah .. uhm |
| 02:29.52 | s0| | I guess I need to complie from source I have a bz2 compressed file or something. |
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| 02:30.09 | Rug | Ahh so what does this have to do with #Debian? |
| 02:30.16 | abrotman | gah .. stoned knows it .. and he's not here |
| 02:30.20 | karsten | s0|: Many of us prefer not to PM, you're protected by peer review in channel from someone suggesting a malicious command to try which might damage your system. |
| 02:30.36 | karsten | trevo1: /msg chanserv list *pattern* |
| 02:30.39 | s0| | would not be any more harmful then letting my system update. |
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| 02:30.41 | nokrev | I'm new to Debian, but what curious why the installer's partition always creates partitions #1, #5, and if necessary, #6..., rather than #2, etc? |
| 02:30.44 | trevo1 | karsten: thanks |
| 02:30.54 | abrotman | nokrev: extended partitions i blieve |
| 02:30.57 | s0| | fine we can do here I don't care. |
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| 02:31.27 | nokrev | abrotman: so, Debian is creating extended partitions and just not showing them? |
| 02:31.31 | Rug | nokrev: That's because it creates (1) primary partition, and then other Logical partitions |
| 02:31.37 | s0| | I have this bz2 file, ............... how do I do extract/comple or whatever it is I need to do with this. |
| 02:31.41 | nokrev | Rug: oh, ok, thanks :) |
| 02:31.44 | abrotman | nokrev: you'd have ot use fdisk to see |
| 02:31.46 | Rug | nokrev: np |
| 02:31.47 | abrotman | !tell s0| about ep |
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| 02:32.00 | karsten | s0|: Looks like your option is a tarball install. |
| 02:32.02 | kill4killin | alright, xfce is up and running completely |
| 02:32.12 | s0| | I don't see a TAR file. |
| 02:32.18 | kill4killin | what is the command to find out how much disk space i have left? |
| 02:32.22 | Rug | df -m |
| 02:32.23 | abrotman | df -h |
| 02:32.28 | Rug | ack sorry |
| 02:32.32 | karsten | s0|: Did you download something like brlcad-7.8.0_linux_ia32.tar.bz2 ? |
| 02:32.36 | karsten | s0|: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105292&package_id=113559 |
| 02:32.36 | Rug | ^^ what he said |
| 02:32.37 | s0| | yes........ |
| 02:32.46 | s0| | sorry about the .'s |
| 02:32.59 | karsten | s0|: tar xjvf brlcad-7.8.0_linux_ia32.tar.bz2 |
| 02:33.15 | s0| | what is this xjvf stuff |
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| 02:33.29 | karsten | s0|: man tar |
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| 02:33.50 | karsten | s0|: x == extract, j == bz2 compression, v == verbose, f == archive to extract from |
| 02:33.54 | kill4killin | holy crap, i have a lot of disk space left, i thought for sure that i used more than that |
| 02:34.07 | s0| | one second. |
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| 02:34.20 | s0| | I am trying to understand why I can't move the file via the GUI |
| 02:34.28 | nokrev | kill4killin: on my Mac today, I ran out of disk space, emptied my trash and seriously got 22 gigs |
| 02:34.31 | FernandoMM | Hello, i'm having some problems with arts, the sound is a bit delayed. Does anyone have problems with this? |
| 02:34.51 | karsten | s0|: You can. CLI is a hell of a lot easier to deal w/ in IRC. |
| 02:34.51 | kill4killin | nokrev, LOL, yea iv done similar in windows |
| 02:34.56 | rgsteele_home | karsten: Got time for a quick xargs question? |
| 02:35.08 | karsten | rgsteele_home: Shoot, no promises |
| 02:35.09 | kill4killin | i never knew 6GB went so far though, im really impressed |
| 02:35.13 | s0| | what is CLI? |
| 02:35.19 | rgsteele_home | Fair enough :) |
| 02:35.26 | Rug | Command Line interface |
| 02:35.50 | s0| | yeah ok I like the term and all I just want to MOVE the FILE from my DESKTOP before I do anything with it.\ |
| 02:36.15 | karsten | s0|: mv <file> <destination> |
| 02:36.29 | rgsteele_home | Any way to feed two operations to xargs? Something like "find <path> -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chgrp foo | xargs -0 chmod g+s" |
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| 02:36.39 | karsten | s0|: eg: mv brlcad-7.8.0_linux_ia32.tar.bz2 /tmp |
| 02:36.41 | rgsteele_home | I know that's incorrect...but hopefully my intentions are clear? |
| 02:36.54 | Rug | s0|: type this in the term window and tell me what you get as a reply: uname -r (when you have a minute) |
| 02:37.03 | karsten | rgsteele_home: For that a loop is easier. |
| 02:37.13 | ahlfors | Pet peeve: Every time I boot up, my sound card mixer settings are totally borked. What package is responsible for saving/restoring the mixer settings? |
| 02:37.14 | s0| | I moved it with the term.... I am still mistifed why I could not just drag and drop the thing.... |
| 02:37.37 | s0| | uname -r |
| 02:37.37 | s0| | 2.6.17-2-amd64 |
| 02:37.42 | karsten | rgsteele_home: find <expression> | while read file; do chgrp foo "$file" chmod g+s "$file"; done |
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| 02:37.51 | abrotman | s0|: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:37.59 | s0| | what is that going to do? |
| 02:38.04 | karsten | s0|: You can, but think about the various GUIs and how I'd give you an explicit command. |
| 02:38.15 | karsten | abrotman: Please keep out, not appropriate. |
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| 02:38.20 | amphi | ahlfors: alsactl store shuld save mixer settings |
| 02:38.22 | karsten | s0|: Ignore abrotman |
| 02:38.25 | s0| | fine with me, it jsut astonded me why I could not move it. |
| 02:38.30 | abrotman | karsten: it very well could be |
| 02:38.47 | rgsteele_home | karsten: But, will I still be able to use xargs as part of that expression? |
| 02:38.53 | mynullvoid | hi all how can I use adduser with password (-p) ? |
| 02:39.00 | kill4killin | what is a good, very lite AIM program? Im trying to keep disk usage to a minimum if i can |
| 02:39.04 | karsten | rgsteele_home: No need. You're now using a different way of dealing with found filenames. |
| 02:39.13 | karsten | s0|: Wait about 7 minutes for my download to complete |
| 02:39.18 | mynullvoid | I would like to create a user with single line command |
| 02:39.20 | rgsteele_home | Yeah, but that way doesn't seem to deal with spaces very well |
| 02:39.22 | abrotman | kill4killin: most are gtk/gnome or qt/kde .. there are some console ones |
| 02:39.22 | karsten | s0|: ... and I'll walk you through the rest of this. |
| 02:39.25 | ahlfors | amphi, the settings I save with "alsactl store" are not restored when I reboot. However, "alsactl restore" will restore the saved settings correctly. |
| 02:39.27 | rgsteele_home | That's why I used xargs in the first place instead of a loop |
| 02:39.40 | s0| | I treid that tar thing and it did not work |
| 02:39.50 | mynullvoid | I had tried useradd john -p test, but the password stored is in ascii and not encrypted |
| 02:39.55 | kill4killin | abrotman, do you know any of the consol ones off the top of your head? |
| 02:39.59 | ahlfors | What init.d script is supposed to be calling "alsactl restore"? |
| 02:40.00 | abrotman | centericq |
| 02:40.27 | s0| | it says the file does not exists, and when I type ls it's right there... |
| 02:40.32 | mynullvoid | ops I tried adduser john -p test |
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| 02:40.45 | karsten | s0|: Hold tight. |
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| 02:41.05 | s0| | nvr mind I got it |
| 02:41.07 | rgsteele_home | karsten: Thanks for the help, but I'm exhausted and for the moment I've satisfied my needs. I'll hack around more with it tomorrow mebbe. Although, xargs dealt with the spaces in the filenames where a bash for loop didn't |
| 02:41.12 | amphi | ahlfors: have a look at your /etc/init.d/alsa - you should see restore stuff in there |
| 02:41.19 | s0| | I had copied what you typed not what I saw. |
| 02:41.22 | karsten | rgsteele_home: "find | xargs" is one idiom for peforming repeated operations on a list of files or directories. It works for relatively simple sequences. |
| 02:41.32 | s0| | ok so that tar thing ran... |
| 02:41.37 | rgsteele_home | karsten: I'll keep that in mind. Thanks |
| 02:41.40 | karsten | rgsteele_home: "<command> | while read ARG; do <list>; done" is another |
| 02:41.40 | ahlfors | amphi, actually I just looked. It seems to be in /etc/init.d/alsa-utils. Dunno why it isn't working! |
| 02:41.50 | s0| | and it made directories all kind of in the wrong place... |
| 02:41.52 | Rug | Does anybody have any experience setting up Dell Servers? I just got one (second-hand) and I can't get it to recognize more then 2 SCSI disks at one time. (port #3 & #9 seem to be the only ones that work) |
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| 02:42.09 | amphi | ahlfors: the symlink is there in /etc/rc2.d and so on? |
| 02:42.10 | abrotman | Rug: does the SCSI bios see them ? |
| 02:42.17 | Rug | abrotman: no |
| 02:42.20 | karsten | rgsteele_home: That's a "while" list. Reads inputs one line at a time. The <list> can be a long sequence of operations (say, two commands rather than one). You can also force xargs to do stuff like this but it gets complicated. |
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| 02:42.41 | bl0w3r | so in december we will have Debian 4.0 :D |
| 02:42.43 | abrotman | Rug: how old are they ? |
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| 02:42.50 | abrotman | !tell bl0w3r about wwer |
| 02:43.03 | karsten | s0|: OK, first gotchya: that archive is root-referenced. |
| 02:43.16 | rgsteele_home | karsten: Yeah, but will it work for files/dirs with spaces in them? |
| 02:43.19 | ahlfors | amphi, actually, alsa-utils is _not_ there, wtf is wrong? |
| 02:43.21 | rgsteele_home | That's where bash failed me and xargs didn't |
| 02:43.45 | s0| | sweeet... |
| 02:43.54 | Rug | abrotman: occasionally I can get the other ports to see one disk, but never more then 2 and only 2 on #3 & #9. The disks? or the server? (18.2 GB U2 SCSI) server: Dual P3-500 Xeon |
| 02:43.56 | s0| | can I delete what it created and just move it then run it again? |
| 02:44.01 | amphi | ahlfors: make a symlink? update-rc.d? |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | Rug: they might need to be jumpered |
| 02:44.19 | ahlfors | amphi, yeah, I don't know where in the boot order it goes. How can I get back to package defaults? |
| 02:44.25 | amphi | s0|: sure why not? |
| 02:44.26 | Rug | abrotman: no, it's SCA |
| 02:44.27 | karsten | rgsteele_home: "read" reads an entire line, feeds it to a single environment variable if only one is named. Operating on that env var quoted (eg: "$file") means that spaces are quoted as well. |
| 02:44.33 | nokrev | Uh oh. In the intsall, authentication with ftp://debian.crosslink.net is failing. I think this mirror may be busted |
| 02:44.40 | karsten | rgsteele_home: ... or short answer: it works w/ names with embedded spacces. |
| 02:44.46 | amphi | ahlfors: reinstall the package perhaps? |
| 02:44.48 | ahlfors | How about purge alsa-utils, then reinstall alsa-utils. Is that safe? |
| 02:44.52 | s0| | how should I know why not, I don't undestand how to install things on my own how should I know what deleteing stuff will do. |
| 02:44.54 | abrotman | Rug: if the scsi bios doesn't see them .. something is wrong .. you might want to ask #hardware |
| 02:45.03 | rgsteele_home | karsten: I prefer the more verbose answer for my own education, but thanks again for all the help. |
| 02:45.03 | Rug | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 02:45.09 | karsten | rgsteele_home: NP. |
| 02:45.14 | karsten | s0|: OK, got the download. |
| 02:45.17 | amphi | ahlfors: as long as removing it doesn't remove other things |
| 02:45.56 | karsten | s0|: Mind that the archive starts at root "/", which GNU tar strips (so you don't overwrite anything critical). However that's a *really* bad sign in software, someone's being an idiot in packaging this. |
| 02:45.56 | ahlfors | yep, ok. btw in case it seems so, I'm not really incompetent, just timid when messing around with things I haven't touched in ages (e.g. alsa) |
| 02:46.00 | bl0w3r | Im like secure APT :D |
| 02:46.32 | rgsteele_home | karsten: Now that my curiosity is piqued, does this look right: find /path/to/dir -type f -print0 | while read file; do chgrp foo "$file" chmod g+s "$file"; done |
| 02:46.39 | karsten | s0|: My recommendation: if you don't already have /opt symlinked: rmdir /opt; mkdir /usr/local/opt; ln -s /opt /usr/local/opt |
| 02:46.46 | karsten | rgsteele_home: One minute |
| 02:46.48 | rgsteele_home | Not sure how to reference the arguments the "find" produces |
| 02:46.57 | ahlfors | amphi, hey I purged, reinstalled, it still isn't in rc2.d |
| 02:47.03 | s0| | I don't even understand what you mean by that, let alone know if I have it or not. |
| 02:47.07 | nokrev | Yeah, I'm pretty sure ftp://debian.crosslink.net is a broken mirror, if anybody cares. |
| 02:47.11 | karsten | s0|: Then: mkdir /opt/brlcad; cd /opt/brlcad; tar xjfv /tmp/brlcad-7.8.0_linux_ia32.tar.bz2 |
| 02:47.18 | nokrev | I tried an alternate and it worked. |
| 02:47.19 | karsten | s0|: Should have the install set up under /opt. |
| 02:47.40 | s0| | error running that. |
| 02:47.41 | kill4killin | thats so weird, centericq wont connect to aim |
| 02:47.52 | amphi | ahlfors: FWIW, on sarge it's /etc/rc2.d/S20alsa |
| 02:48.01 | karsten | s0|: ok. do you have an /opt top-level directory? |
| 02:48.17 | karsten | s0|: ... and/or did you already untar the archive? |
| 02:48.26 | ahlfors | amphi, alsa and alsa-utils are different. |
| 02:48.50 | s0| | yes I have opt in the root dir, and yes I untared the thing once but can and will do it agian if I can delete the old one. |
| 02:48.51 | amphi | ahlfors: I have no /etc/init.d/alsautils here |
| 02:48.54 | karsten | s0|: Continuing: after you've done all that, add "/opt/brlcad/usr/bin/" to your user's $PATH. |
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| 02:49.16 | s0| | ummmmmmmmmm slow down. |
| 02:49.22 | s0| | or give me a min. |
| 02:49.25 | karsten | s0|: *CAREFULLY* delete the usr tree that was untarred. Don't mess up and delete /usr by mistake, as you'llscrew yourself. |
| 02:49.39 | karsten | s0|: Save this to file. Review later. |
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| 02:49.45 | karsten | s0|: this == this chat. |
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| 02:50.01 | s0| | I don't understand how to fix my user path thing. |
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| 02:50.25 | karsten | s0|: We'll cover that later. Remember to ask. |
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| 02:51.08 | s0| | I can't seem to get mkdir /opt/brlcad; cd /opt/brlcad; tar xjfv /tmp/brlcad-7.8.0_linux_ia32.tar.bz to work |
| 02:51.24 | karsten | s0|: That's a bunch of commands. What's the error message? |
| 02:51.36 | s0| | nvr mind |
| 02:51.42 | s0| | I keep pasting what you type. |
| 02:52.02 | s0| | and I have the amd64 version not the ia32 version |
| 02:52.03 | karsten | s0|: ?? Does /opt/brlcad exist? |
| 02:52.13 | karsten | s0|: Are you running AMD64? |
| 02:52.16 | ahlfors | amphi, FWIW I figured out what's going on. Sid has udev run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils right after the relevant sound modules are installed. |
| 02:52.16 | s0| | am using tab now. |
| 02:52.20 | s0| | yeah |
| 02:52.22 | karsten | s0|: CPU and Debian versions, both? |
| 02:52.24 | karsten | OK. |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | karsten: he stated that before |
| 02:52.27 | ahlfors | amphi, but thanks for your help |
| 02:52.29 | karsten | abrotman: Missed that. |
| 02:52.38 | abrotman | karsten: aren't you glad one of us is paying attention :) |
| 02:52.46 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, now shut up kid ;-) |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | stoned: what was the debian "arabic" channel ? |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | karsten: i'm older than you! |
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| 02:53.03 | karsten | abrotman: Doubtful. |
| 02:53.05 | stoned | dunno |
| 02:53.09 | pating | how to search package? comnd? |
| 02:53.09 | abrotman | karsten: i'm like .. 78! |
| 02:53.16 | karsten | abrotman: I'm like, 97 |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | pating: search for a package? apt-cache search <blah> |
| 02:53.29 | karsten | abrotman: Born in? |
| 02:53.31 | s0| | crap, I did all this command line stuff as root. did that make stuff impossible for my normal user account to use later? |
| 02:53.45 | abrotman | karsten: 1930! |
| 02:53.49 | karsten | s0|: No. You want to do this as root. Carefully. |
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| 02:54.16 | deceptacon | what do i type in to set a new window manager i got |
| 02:54.21 | rgsteele_home | karsten: Think I'm gonna head to bed for the night. If you're around tomorrow, I'll give ya a shout. |
| 02:54.24 | pating | abrotman, i search for "ircdu" but no one found.. :( |
| 02:54.31 | abrotman | stoned: i thought you made a chanel for .. some soft of arabic language |
| 02:54.35 | s0| | ok well I *think* that tar thing ran fine. and I now have some files in /opt/brlcad/ |
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| 02:54.40 | stoned | !ur |
| 02:54.41 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 02:54.42 | s0| | now what. |
| 02:54.44 | sid | How big is an IBM AS/400? |
| 02:54.47 | abrotman | pating: wtf is an ircdu ? |
| 02:54.53 | stoned | hindi and urdu |
| 02:54.57 | Rug | sid: big |
| 02:54.57 | karsten | rgsteele_home: OK |
| 02:55.07 | sid | Rug: Will it fit in a pickup truck? |
| 02:55.12 | karsten | s0|: Should be /opt/brlcad/usr/brlcad/ |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | sid: maybe .. they are large |
| 02:55.20 | Rug | sid: not really |
| 02:55.26 | sid | Can two people carry it? |
| 02:55.27 | s0| | ummmmmmmmmm |
| 02:55.27 | pating | abrotman, try to search it on yours, have you found one? |
| 02:55.34 | stoned | I gotta bake my noodle man |
| 02:55.37 | karsten | s0|: Then a series of symlinks (may show as light blue) and one directory (dark blue) named "release-NN" |
| 02:55.38 | abrotman | sid: some are .. some are larger than two deep freezes next to each other |
| 02:55.41 | s0| | yeah that is what I am seeing. |
| 02:55.43 | abrotman | pating: what is an ircdu ? |
| 02:55.47 | karsten | s0|: For some numeric value NN (I've already deleted the tree). |
| 02:55.53 | pating | irc server ? |
| 02:55.59 | abrotman | pating: you mean an ircd ? |
| 02:55.59 | s0| | I see rel-7.8.0 and that is all |
| 02:56.10 | stoned | I have to recompile the nvidia module on every single kernel upgrade |
| 02:56.13 | stoned | its annoying |
| 02:56.18 | pating | yeah.. |
| 02:56.21 | abrotman | complain to nvidia.com |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | pating: apt-cache search ircd |
| 02:56.33 | sid | Can Debian GNU/Linux run on an IBM AS/400? |
| 02:56.34 | abrotman | pating: those i ahve .... |
| 02:56.39 | abrotman | !s390 |
| 02:56.39 | dpkg | i heard s390 is an IBM mainframe architecture, or now known as z series, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-s390 |
| 02:56.46 | sid | Some company is donating this thing to my university, What can I actually do with it? |
| 02:56.53 | karsten | s0|: Ok. |
| 02:56.59 | karsten | s0|: It's installed, or should be. |
| 02:57.10 | s0| | how do I run the thing then? |
| 02:57.13 | karsten | s0|: What editor(s) do you know? vi/vim, nano, emacs ? |
| 02:57.21 | karsten | s0|: /win 15 |
| 02:57.27 | karsten | s0|: NM, typo |
| 02:57.47 | s0| | I know vi/vim the best I guess. (as it's the only one I have ever used) |
| 02:58.01 | PF | !43p |
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| 02:59.42 | sid | What can I do with an IBM AS/400? It's 50mhz to 75mhz...can I run Debian on it? |
| 02:59.46 | pating | abrotman, i found what i am looking, its net/ircd-ircu, how do i install that ? |
| 03:00.04 | abrotman | apt-get install ircd-ircu |
| 03:00.09 | dondelelcaro | sid: which as/400? |
| 03:00.17 | pating | thanks |
| 03:00.17 | sid | dondelelcaro: no idea. |
| 03:00.23 | dondelelcaro | sid: the more modern ones can run debian |
| 03:00.27 | kriel | wierd question. in linux i'm getting seemingly random segmentation faults in fairly stable programs. (gaim, firefox, a few others that i'm not thinking...) and in both linux and windows programs will just... up and die for no reason. a lot of the same programs, but totally different operating system. I'm thinking bad ram, but I've tried to test for that, and everything tests right. |
| 03:00.28 | sid | I'll find out tomorrow when I get it with my pickup truck though. |
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| 03:00.33 | mog | hi |
| 03:00.36 | dondelelcaro | the older ones are probably useless. |
| 03:00.52 | sid | What am I supposed to do with it? Why do AS/400's exist? |
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| 03:01.04 | s0| | Karsten: I am sorry I must have missed something what am I doing now? |
| 03:01.05 | mog | how do i enable 3D acceleration on my ati radeon 9550? im assuming thats why i get Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual when attempting to run UT2004 |
| 03:01.15 | karsten | s0|: Waiting for me to get a clue ;-) |
| 03:01.15 | mog | i successfully installed the drivers |
| 03:01.20 | mog | for my radeon |
| 03:01.24 | s0| | welcome to my world. |
| 03:01.53 | mog | i could not find an option in aticonfig |
| 03:02.27 | karsten | s0|: OK: vi ~/.bashrc. Find your PATH definition. Add: ":/opt/brcad/usr/brcad/bin" to the end of that, save, and run "exec bash" |
| 03:02.37 | karsten | s0|: ... which puts the newly installed directory on your command path. |
| 03:02.45 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I'm starting screen before logging in with init.d. Is there a way to start screen for a particular user to access after they log in? |
| 03:02.50 | abrotman | sid: if you don't know why you'd want an as/400 .. don't get it .. |
| 03:03.18 | s0| | with or without the " 's |
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| 03:03.52 | karsten | NK may have done nuke test: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Koreas-Nuclear.html?hp&ex=1160366400&en=26d0b01ae0701583&ei=5094&partner=homepage |
| 03:03.55 | karsten | OT & fyi. |
| 03:05.03 | PF | I have this old (1996 vintage) Motorola power PC (604c CPU). I tried booting from the Debian sarge install ISO, but no luck. No help necesaary (but wouldn't pass any up :), just making a statement. |
| 03:05.17 | karsten | s0|: w/o the quotes. |
| 03:05.26 | ahlfors | karsten, holy crap that's not good |
| 03:05.33 | abrotman | PF: did you read the install guide to see if that CPU even works with linux ? |
| 03:05.42 | karsten | s0|: Typical $PATH:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin/X11:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 03:06.04 | karsten | ahlfors: /join #debian-offtopic if you want to discuss. |
| 03:06.09 | s0| | wait I need that $path ? |
| 03:06.09 | PF | abrotman: I thought it was supported, perhaps I made a mistake or mis-read. |
| 03:06.11 | karsten | ahlfors: Agreed, that, though. |
| 03:06.17 | PF | or both :) |
| 03:06.24 | abrotman | PF: i was just asking .. it's very possible it is .. |
| 03:06.29 | PF | cool |
| 03:06.36 | karsten | s0|: the path I just pasted is typical. "echo $PATH" to see your own current path. |
| 03:06.39 | s0| | mine just has everything commented out (I think) with # |
| 03:06.56 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 03:06.57 | dpkg | hmm... ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 03:07.21 | PF | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.22 | PF | heh |
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| 03:08.10 | aeronadix | who uses powerpc? Nasa? |
| 03:08.11 | s0| | yeah it does not like my :/opt/brlcad/usr/brlcad/bin thing |
| 03:08.19 | abrotman | aeronadix: i have one in my closet |
| 03:08.36 | aeronadix | abrotman, it old one? they don't make them anymore? |
| 03:08.42 | karsten | s0|: paste your current (unmodified) PATH here. |
| 03:08.43 | PF | aeronadix: It's "Heavy iron" |
| 03:08.55 | abrotman | aeronadix: they still make them .. but in my case it's a macmini |
| 03:09.01 | ahlfors | yeah, who does use ppc? I have always heard it is marketed as high-end unix, direct competitor to itanium |
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| 03:09.05 | s0| | well when I echo my $path I get a blank line... |
| 03:09.06 | abrotman | aeronadix: IBM still sells them |
| 03:09.09 | karsten | aeronadix: Mostly IBM, there's some third-party PPC systems, Apple used to. |
| 03:09.15 | karsten | s0|: Upper case. |
| 03:09.16 | abrotman | echo $PATH .. it's case-sensitive |
| 03:09.20 | karsten | s0|: Linux is case sensitive. |
| 03:09.20 | s0| | ahh |
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| 03:09.44 | s0| | it's " /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 03:09.44 | s0| | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.01 | aeronadix | Its risk as apposed to the other ( i forget) like intel |
| 03:10.02 | karsten | s0|: Right, it's set by default, but you can modify it. |
| 03:10.08 | aeronadix | sorry risc |
| 03:10.09 | kriel | in linux i'm getting seemingly random segmentation faults in fairly stable programs. (gaim, firefox, a few others that i'm not thinking...) and in both linux and windows programs will just... up and die for no reason. a lot of the same programs, but totally different operating system. I'm thinking bad ram, but I've tried to test for that, and everything tests right. |
| 03:10.21 | karsten | s0|: "PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/opt/brcad/usr/brcad/bin/" |
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| 03:10.27 | karsten | s0|: ... in ~/.bashrc |
| 03:10.39 | s0| | well I added the line :/opt/..etc and then run that that exec bash thing and it does not like opt line. |
| 03:10.40 | karsten | kriel: Almost certainly HW issue. |
| 03:10.45 | ry2 | hey abrotman: it's ry1. I am having a problem with my bind9 config files, I was told on the bind chan that I might have a formatting error, but I can't for the life of me find where that might be. if you have any experience with bind, could you take a look? |
| 03:11.00 | karsten | kriel: Check seating of RAM, CPU, and all cables. Run memtest86+ at boot for 4-8 hours. Try swapping RAM. |
| 03:11.06 | abrotman | ry2: but i just waved good night :) |
| 03:11.14 | abrotman | ry2: what's the error ? |
| 03:11.16 | ry2 | abrotman: okay, tomorrow then? :) |
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| 03:11.25 | ry2 | abrotman: invalid rr type? |
| 03:11.26 | karsten | kriel: Look for any signs of capacitor damage (google for pics), or other mobo damage (damaged leads, wires, traces, chips). |
| 03:11.34 | abrotman | ry2: give a line number ? |
| 03:11.46 | ry2 | 3, but it looks correct to me |
| 03:11.52 | abrotman | ry2: paste it somewhere |
| 03:11.55 | ry2 | and the examples all ovewrr the net |
| 03:12.01 | ry2 | k, |
| 03:12.04 | abrotman | ry2: and the error |
| 03:12.06 | nokrev | !nvidia |
| 03:12.06 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 03:12.19 | nokrev | sorry, couldn't remember his name :P |
| 03:12.29 | abrotman | /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 03:12.34 | karsten | kriel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague |
| 03:12.41 | stoned | where can I get a list of all the available config options for "update-alternatives --config ************ " where ********** are a list of the options |
| 03:12.43 | nokrev | yeah, I apologize, I couldn't remember it. I've been in so many rooms lately. |
| 03:12.44 | stoned | I can't find it anywhere |
| 03:12.49 | kriel | karsten: seating's pretty good, and ran memtest86+ for 2+ hours. besides, errors pop up right at boot. is there any way to test integrity of cpu? (like memtest, but for cpu?) |
| 03:13.01 | karsten | kriel: cpuburn |
| 03:13.08 | s0| | I am confused I want to add that whole line or just the opt stuff. |
| 03:13.17 | karsten | s0|: Whole line |
| 03:13.27 | s0| | and what happens when I miss type something? |
| 03:13.28 | sophacles | hi all. if i have an ubuntu install and want to switch it to just plain debian is there a way to do that with apt? |
| 03:13.33 | karsten | s0|: If you just specify the /opt part, you won't have any _other_ commands on your path. |
| 03:13.39 | abrotman | !d-i sophacles |
| 03:13.39 | karsten | sophacles: Yeah. |
| 03:13.39 | dpkg | sophacles, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:13.41 | s0| | am I supposed to still being doing that as root? |
| 03:13.42 | karsten | sophacles: Wipe and reinstall. |
| 03:13.55 | karsten | s0|: No. This is on your user account. |
| 03:14.01 | s0| | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 03:14.08 | s0| | we might have a problem. |
| 03:14.09 | stoned | all the options require <name> except update-alternatives --all |
| 03:14.12 | karsten | s0|: ~/.bashrc is a per-user config. You can set it globally (for all users) in /etc/environment. |
| 03:14.14 | s0| | I have been doing this as root. |
| 03:14.20 | karsten | s0|: Just delete the line. |
| 03:14.22 | stoned | where can I get a list of all the <name> |
| 03:14.27 | karsten | s0|: Root's path is set in system startup. |
| 03:14.31 | karsten | stoned: /etc/alternatives/ |
| 03:14.41 | karsten | stoned: The links are in there. |
| 03:14.51 | stoned | ahh |
| 03:14.56 | karsten | s0|: So no biggie here. |
| 03:15.29 | abrotman | ry2: pasted yet? |
| 03:15.42 | karsten | s0|: Set? |
| 03:15.48 | karsten | s0|: Doing food here, bbiam |
| 03:15.49 | ry2 | abrotman: file zones/master/master.local: unknown class/type |
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| 03:16.01 | s0| | ok so I opend my bashrc file with kate and it's looks a lot diffrent then what I saw in VI |
| 03:16.21 | abrotman | ry2: and where's the file ? |
| 03:16.23 | karsten | s0|: Should be the same file. |
| 03:16.58 | ry2 | abrotman: that was from my daemon.log after I reloaded the server. the file is in /etc/bind/zones/master/master.local my tld is local |
| 03:17.01 | s0| | I was editing root's .bashrc becuase I just did a cd ~ |
| 03:17.02 | ry2 | Oct 6 19:09:07 localhost named[3559]: zones/master/master.local:9: unknown RR type 'cartman' |
| 03:17.03 | MatBoy | karsten, fast again :) |
| 03:17.16 | ry2 | where cartman is my server name |
| 03:17.17 | abrotman | ry2: so there's an error in the master.local |
| 03:17.19 | karsten | MatBoy: ?? |
| 03:17.23 | abrotman | i think |
| 03:17.27 | ry2 | yes, but I don't know where, I read all the docs |
| 03:17.34 | kriel | karsten: can you give me either a link or a quick run-over of how to boot into memtest86+ ? |
| 03:17.51 | abrotman | ry2: without seeing the files .. i can't really say |
| 03:17.51 | karsten | kriel: aptitude install memtest86+; shutdown -r now |
| 03:17.53 | MatBoy | karsten, set the mem of 98 lower to 160MB (only a fax) and defragged my windowsXP with PerfectDisk |
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| 03:18.04 | karsten | kriel: ... and select memtest86+ from GRUB menu. Should be installed as default. |
| 03:18.08 | karsten | MatBoy: OK. |
| 03:18.09 | ry2 | abrotman: what's your e-mail? I'll paste them all in for ya |
| 03:18.18 | kriel | karsten: woot. kthx. |
| 03:18.31 | s0| | so ummm now that I am my user I can't exec bashrc |
| 03:18.32 | abrotman | ry2: you can do it in /msg ... |
| 03:18.33 | MatBoy | karsten, I can advise you vmware if you need to install something fast... nice than Xen if you ask me |
| 03:18.45 | abrotman | ry2: or /j #ry2 |
| 03:18.50 | ry2 | abrotman: okay... sending master.local |
| 03:18.56 | bws42 | s0| you "source" it |
| 03:18.59 | bws42 | source .bashrc |
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| 03:19.27 | s0| | ummm I re-read the command it's exec bash not bashrc.... my bad |
| 03:19.47 | Smerdyakov | I just ran a dist-upgrade, and now my X11 emacs21 displays all characters as empty boxes. Has anyone seen this recently? |
| 03:19.54 | s0| | which still leaves me with "HOW THE HECK DO I RUN THIS APP?" |
| 03:21.03 | MatBoy | karsten, I hope they once invent something to defragment a humanbrain. Or make a LVS for it :) |
| 03:21.07 | mog | anyone here play UT2004 with an ATI card ? |
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| 03:21.13 | abrotman | ry2: ? |
| 03:21.13 | mog | how do i enable 3D acceleration on my ati radeon 9550? im assuming thats why i get Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual when attempting to run UT2004 |
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| 03:21.31 | ry2 | abrotman: I can seperate lines by \ but it will take a while |
| 03:21.38 | abrotman | ry2: /j #ry2 ... |
| 03:21.41 | dan2 | abrotman: damn eagles |
| 03:21.47 | abrotman | dan2: yo'll get over it |
| 03:21.53 | s0| | I have isntalled, I have set my path, now is there anything else I need to do before someone tells me how to heck to run the app? |
| 03:21.54 | dan2 | abrotman: the good news is that I was well hedged |
| 03:21.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:22.01 | dan2 | abrotman: I bet the over and the cowboys |
| 03:22.03 | ry2 | abrotman: a chan called ry2? /j doesn't work |
| 03:22.07 | abrotman | ry2: /j #ry2 .. paste the whole thing there |
| 03:22.07 | dan2 | abrotman: the over covered my cowboys loss |
| 03:22.10 | abrotman | ry2: /join #ry2 |
| 03:22.46 | dan2 | Smerdyakov: it may have changed your current locales |
| 03:23.08 | dan2 | Smerdyakov: what happens if you run $ LANG=C emacs |
| 03:23.23 | sophacles | im having a problem on my debian box with sound. some videos play very softly so i turn up the volume, and the next vid will play way too loud. is there a tool to normalize sound output? |
| 03:24.02 | Smerdyakov | dan2, that works, and in fact just running 'emacs' works, too.... apparently 'emacs21' starts something different.... |
| 03:24.12 | dan2 | Smerdyakov: huh |
| 03:24.22 | s0| | can someone help me figure out how to run this app? |
| 03:24.28 | dan2 | Smerdyakov: don't know what to say |
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| 03:25.58 | s0| | and why can't I sudo stuff? |
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| 03:26.33 | ahlfors | s0|, maybe you aren't a sudoer |
| 03:26.39 | s0| | or better yet how do I add my user to the sudoers file? |
| 03:26.50 | helo | what is the name of the fairly minimalist window manager which allows you to "tab" multiple apps in a single window? |
| 03:26.54 | ahlfors | man sudo |
| 03:26.59 | s0| | and HOW THE HECK DO I RUN the APP I spent an hour setting up with the help or Karsten? |
| 03:27.01 | ahlfors | sudoedit |
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| 03:27.36 | helo | s0|: just type "run the app i spent an hour setting up with the help of Karsten" and it should just start right up |
| 03:28.29 | s0| | thanks for that :finger: |
| 03:28.32 | sophacles | helo fluxbox is one of them that does that. it my choice |
| 03:28.36 | amphi | 'app' is a revolting wordlet |
| 03:29.47 | Guerin | s0|: man sudo. If you want to know how to run an app, ask #macosx. Debian has programs and scripts, not apps. |
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| 03:30.20 | helo | doh |
| 03:30.20 | s0| | run brl-cad or run brlcad does not lunach anything, I don't understand WHOT THE **** I am supposed to know what name to call the POS by and if someone would tell me how to find the one god like file I can always know to call to run some app I would gladly understand how to reconginze it in the future and then just use locate to find the GDMF thing. |
| 03:30.24 | abrotman | s0|: you should really try to be more polite if you want people to help you .. waving your finger around isn't a good way to get help |
| 03:30.36 | MatBoy | Is it possible to get problems when you start every 5 minutes 10 cronjobs that wget stuf but first cd to the directory ? |
| 03:30.57 | MatBoy | s/stuf/stuff |
| 03:31.36 | Guerin | s0|: is it a debian package? If not, /msg dpkf nmfp |
| 03:31.40 | s0| | abrotman, I was nice till people started getting smart with me again, and telling me stuff they think will work and then tell it me should work, and that I should go to a maosx chan bvecuase they want to get into symentecs about apps vs progmras and the like |
| 03:31.48 | Guerin | s0|: if so, dpkg -L packagename |grep bin |
| 03:31.48 | helo | s0|: i'd suggest gaining either patience or omniscience if you want to become proficient with linux |
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| 03:32.09 | abrotman | s0|: then be patient .. |
| 03:32.12 | abrotman | Guerin: it's from source |
| 03:32.20 | Guerin | !nmfp |
| 03:32.20 | dpkg | methinks nmfp is Not My Fucking Problem |
| 03:32.27 | mog | why did aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-k7 only install 2.6.8-3-k7 when i can have 2.6.18-1-k7 ? how do i kernel for version 2.6.18-1-k7 ? i need a module from http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-modules/index.html |
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| 03:32.37 | abrotman | s0|: wait for someone polite to help you .. or you can also ask ##linux |
| 03:32.47 | Guerin | mog: because you're running sarge? |
| 03:33.18 | mog | damn |
| 03:33.50 | mog | can a module named fglrx-kernel-2.6.8-2-k7-smp_8.19.10-1+2.6.8-16_i386.deb work on myt kernel ? |
| 03:34.01 | mog | being 2.6.8-3-k7 |
| 03:34.03 | s0| | mgiht have to try that ........... anyways. here is some back story. I could not isntall said APP/Program (who cares you know what I mean), I downloaded the bz2 file, tarballed the darn thing, edited my path, now I want to know HOW DO I RUN THE PROGRAM I spent the last hour getting babysteped though setting up? |
| 03:34.05 | Guerin | mog: no |
| 03:34.15 | mog | damn |
| 03:34.24 | Guerin | !htfswk s0| |
| 03:34.24 | dpkg | s0|: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 03:34.41 | s0| | becuase Guerin, someone here was helping you fucking popus asshoel |
| 03:34.46 | mog | so how does ubuntu get 3D accelleration ? |
| 03:34.52 | mog | s0| xD |
| 03:34.55 | Guerin | s0|: look at the list of file in the tarball and see what's in /usr/bin |
| 03:34.56 | mog | you're silly |
| 03:35.02 | Guerin | s0|: don't be a twat |
| 03:35.17 | helo | Package fvwm-themes is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 03:35.20 | Guerin | s0|: you've no basis for getting arsey about us not answering your non-questions |
| 03:35.21 | amphi | s0|: have you read any docs in the tarball? |
| 03:35.23 | s0| | you asked how the fuck you should know I fucking told you |
| 03:35.36 | helo | lol |
| 03:35.39 | abrotman | s0|: just like that .. that's how you don't get help |
| 03:35.43 | Guerin | s0|: essentially all I've seen you do in the last 10 minutes is "WAAAAHHH WAAAH GIMME HELP PLZ OMG WAAA" |
| 03:36.00 | dondelelcaro | folks, just use /ignore. |
| 03:36.00 | s0| | roll back another 20 mins and you see more |
| 03:36.08 | Guerin | s0|: can't be fucked. |
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| 03:36.14 | Guerin | s0|: learn the basics. |
| 03:36.22 | Guerin | s0|: walk before you can run. |
| 03:36.24 | Guerin | etc. |
| 03:36.24 | mog | lol htfsik i like that |
| 03:36.28 | mog | !htfsik |
| 03:36.28 | dpkg | htfsik is, like, How The Fuck Should I Know? |
| 03:36.32 | mog | xD |
| 03:36.41 | MatBoy | Guys, seriously... the best idea is to not to talk to s0| |
| 03:36.42 | Guerin | s0|: and for god's sakes treat volunteers wqith some patience |
| 03:36.54 | mog | xD s0| needs a book on remedial computers. |
| 03:37.09 | MatBoy | !playtime |
| 03:37.20 | helo | s0|: how can i learn to be more like you? |
| 03:37.28 | helo | s0|: what is your SECRET? |
| 03:37.31 | Guerin | s0|: anyway, I told you how to find the likely executable files in a tarball - do that. If you don't know how to list the files in a tarball, read 'man tar' |
| 03:37.38 | Guerin | helo: FAS |
| 03:37.43 | amphi | helo: standard way, subscribe to his newsletter ;) |
| 03:37.54 | helo | heh |
| 03:38.06 | mog | has anyone gotten 3D acceleration with an ATI card ? |
| 03:38.06 | MatBoy | !beer MatBoy and goes to sleep |
| 03:38.18 | Guerin | mog: no, you're breaking virgin ground |
| 03:38.24 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 03:38.25 | dpkg | methinks fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), but it's in sid only, not in etch, or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 03:38.27 | amphi | mog: yup, with the xorg driver |
| 03:38.33 | Guerin | mog: you should be awarded an honourary doctorate if you succeed |
| 03:38.38 | mog | well i installed the driver |
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| 03:38.57 | mog | ATI sucks |
| 03:39.00 | ahlfors | Guerin, he's penetrating that virgin territory? |
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| 03:39.04 | MatBoy | Guerin, a lot of Linux-boys are still virgin I think... /me was happy to be older when he started on Linux :p |
| 03:39.14 | YouCeyE | hi.. my X wont start automatically.. it is kind of strange.. kdm starts but X wont come up.. have to do /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 03:39.17 | amphi | mog: my old radeon chugs along quite well |
| 03:39.17 | s0| | Gurin there are hundreds of files in the bin dir for this "prgram" how do I know which one is the one I want? |
| 03:39.19 | YouCeyE | what am i missing here |
| 03:39.35 | mog | id hate to go back to ubuntu just to play a game. |
| 03:39.39 | s0| | and I can't man brl-cad |
| 03:39.40 | Guerin | ahlfors: omg, you mean SOMEONE ELSE DID IT FIRST? |
| 03:39.57 | Guerin | s0|: all tie file for the program are in ONE dir? |
| 03:40.03 | MatBoy | ahlfors, buy him a condom :) |
| 03:40.44 | ahlfors | I wish I could apt-get another beer |
| 03:40.49 | s0| | ls |
| 03:40.50 | Guerin | MatBoy: i'd hate to have to choose my OS on the basis of a game |
| 03:40.54 | MatBoy | !beer ahlfors |
| 03:40.55 | Guerin | !ls |
| 03:40.55 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 03:41.08 | Guerin | MOG: i'd hate to have to choose my OS on the basis of a game |
| 03:41.13 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:41.15 | ahlfors | Hey thanks <gulp> |
| 03:41.15 | Guerin | i'm stupid |
| 03:41.22 | MatBoy | Guerin, don't than :) I never did and got Quake4 from a friens of mine for my last birthday :) |
| 03:41.37 | Guerin | i just got a fridge, which mean in a few hours my beer will even be COLD |
| 03:41.40 | MatBoy | ahlfors, that's the linux-way... share some beer ;) |
| 03:41.47 | Guerin | MatBoy: tell that to mog |
| 03:42.23 | MatBoy | !mog don't chose your OS depensing on your games.... just don't play games anymore and get a REAL life ;) |
| 03:42.32 | MatBoy | mog, ^^ |
| 03:42.48 | ahlfors | ut2004 runs fine under debian |
| 03:42.51 | MatBoy | s/depensing/depending |
| 03:43.07 | MatBoy | Guerin, should we go to a type-curses together ? |
| 03:43.44 | Guerin | my tpynig is bneyod hlep |
| 03:43.56 | MatBoy | Guerin, my sleep also |
| 03:44.23 | mog | ahlfors: do you have an ATI ? |
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| 03:44.28 | MatBoy | Guerin, ag doesn't matter... I understand you... it's the same like sex... you can always understand each other.... the Debian-way :) |
| 03:44.31 | ahlfors | mog, no I have nvidia |
| 03:44.35 | mog | oh |
| 03:44.36 | ahlfors | (6800 ultra) |
| 03:44.42 | MatBoy | nividia ROCKS !! |
| 03:44.44 | mog | mabey i should get an nVidia |
| 03:44.53 | mog | but i'll then have to get a new motherboard |
| 03:45.02 | MatBoy | mog, you will love the one-liner and hate the driver ;) |
| 03:45.07 | Guerin | just geta an xbox if you want gamez |
| 03:45.13 | Guerin | right tool for the job, etc |
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| 03:45.19 | mog | i dont have a TV |
| 03:45.23 | Guerin | yeah, yeah, I know, you have yourt own reasons |
| 03:45.26 | MatBoy | Guerin, yeah !! and install Linux on it ;) |
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| 03:45.45 | ahlfors | I'm with them, I wouldn't switch OS for games |
| 03:46.04 | MatBoy | abrotman should buy a better router |
| 03:46.28 | ahlfors | haha s0| just went over to ##linux to complain about #debian and how we don't help him |
| 03:46.46 | MatBoy | Guerin, I have not installed Q4 because I need to restart x with settings for 1 screen.... far too much work |
| 03:47.17 | MatBoy | Guerin, grab your beer ! I'm going to sleep |
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| 03:49.11 | helo | is sourceforge dogging for anyone else? |
| 03:49.22 | dfx- | can I edit a debian kernel to add support for my nic? |
| 03:49.42 | MatBoy | dfx-, just compile your own |
| 03:49.50 | dfx- | I'm trying to upgrade w/o compiling a generic kernel |
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| 03:51.00 | epsilon | debian kernel is only for ppl who can live with the kernel and nasty to compile own one |
| 03:51.27 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: what NIC? |
| 03:51.36 | MatBoy | epsilon, that is NOT ture |
| 03:51.38 | MatBoy | true |
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| 03:51.51 | dfx- | 3com 3c905 |
| 03:52.01 | grendal_prime | i cant wait tell december |
| 03:52.05 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: that'll be loaded automatically if you're using udev |
| 03:52.13 | grendal_prime | aint that when etch goes stable? |
| 03:52.13 | epsilon | that one should be in debian kernel |
| 03:52.17 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: no modprobing or anything needed |
| 03:52.31 | MatBoy | grendal_prime, you love the linux-images ;) |
| 03:52.32 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: udev? .. can I just apt-get install udev? |
| 03:52.41 | MatBoy | dfx-, you can |
| 03:52.45 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: yes |
| 03:52.50 | MatBoy | it will remove devfs |
| 03:53.09 | dfx- | MatBoy: is that bad? |
| 03:53.32 | MatBoy | dondelelcaro, can you tell him some more about that devfs can be found sometimes still in some lines and can give a bootproblem ? |
| 03:53.35 | grendal_prime | i get a chubby when i can build a system in 15 min and all with packages..with etch i will be able to install all the database replication of slony1 with postgresql8.1 |
| 03:53.39 | MatBoy | dfx-, no, it's very good ! |
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| 03:53.42 | MatBoy | devfs is ol |
| 03:53.43 | MatBoy | old |
| 03:53.51 | MatBoy | udev does replce it |
| 03:53.54 | MatBoy | replace it |
| 03:54.02 | grendal_prime | im getting a chubby now thinking about it |
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| 03:54.15 | MatBoy | grendal_prime, about what ? |
| 03:54.25 | dfx- | MatBoy: ok thx .. I'll give that a try |
| 03:54.31 | MatBoy | dfx-, good luck ! |
| 03:54.39 | grendal_prime | etch i will be able to install all the database replication of slony1 with postgresql8.1 |
| 03:54.50 | dfx- | MatBoy: ok apparetnly udev is already the newest version |
| 03:55.03 | MatBoy | dfx-, you are running sarge ? |
| 03:55.15 | MatBoy | grendal_prime, will it ? |
| 03:55.17 | MatBoy | kewl ! |
| 03:55.27 | MatBoy | I played one year ago with it... pain in my ass |
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| 03:55.43 | MatBoy | grendal_prime, replication in MySQL 5.0 is also kewl !! |
| 03:55.51 | dfx- | MatBoy: oh crap, no this box is sid, my bad |
| 03:56.07 | MatBoy | dfx-, you can install linux-images than to apply a new kernel |
| 03:56.31 | grendal_prime | postgresq? or replication? |
| 03:56.36 | dfx- | MatBoy: so linux-images with sid, and kernel-image with sarge? is there a wiki or something for all this? :) |
| 03:57.07 | MatBoy | dfx-, I think so, don;t know where... but linux-images installthemself with BIGMEM-support, SMP, so on |
| 03:57.13 | MatBoy | from 2.6.15 |
| 03:57.45 | dfx- | MatBoy: hmm, ok yeah I need smp also |
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| 03:58.17 | MatBoy | dfx-, install a 2.6.17 |
| 03:58.21 | MatBoy | you will be fine |
| 03:58.30 | MatBoy | or a 2.6.16-2-smp |
| 03:58.52 | MatBoy | I'm off now guys ! |
| 03:58.54 | MatBoy | sleep ! |
| 03:59.00 | MatBoy | (for 1 hour) |
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| 03:59.10 | dfx- | so apparetnly the linux-image-2.6-686-smp is already the newest version also ... |
| 03:59.30 | MatBoy | dfx-, I thought 2.6.17-2 |
| 03:59.38 | MatBoy | I'm running that also |
| 03:59.40 | dfx- | MatBoy: so try a specific kernel |
| 03:59.47 | dfx- | MatBoy: ill give that a try .. thx a lot for your help |
| 03:59.53 | MatBoy | dfx-, NP ! |
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| 04:01.33 | dfx- | hmm, 2.6.8.17 isn't in the list for smp and I've already got 2.6.16 installed apparently ... any ideas on what I should do next? |
| 04:02.36 | sparr | is there a way to continuously output the results of dmesg? |
| 04:03.00 | karsten | sparr: tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 04:03.08 | karsten | s0|: Sorted? |
| 04:03.13 | s0| | karsten, I am still hosed. |
| 04:03.35 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | how do I list currently running processes? |
| 04:03.39 | Rusty1 | dfk just to be sure : cat /proc/version |
| 04:03.43 | s0| | I checked the readme for this thing in hopes it would tell me how to start it.... yeah.... that does not tell me anything. |
| 04:04.10 | sparr | karsten: thanks |
| 04:04.13 | tonsofpcs | s0|: are you still talking about brlcad? |
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| 04:04.17 | s0| | I have asked in #brlcad, and it's a graveyard |
| 04:04.23 | dfx- | Rusty1: 2.6.15.1 |
| 04:04.29 | s0| | yeah still with that brlcad junk. |
| 04:04.30 | grendal_prime | anyone else have a palm treo? |
| 04:05.37 | karsten | s0|: Um. Given your behavior, stay that way. |
| 04:06.07 | zor0 | so, two null terminated strings walk into a bar.... |
| 04:06.16 | dfx- | ylol |
| 04:06.24 | karsten | !tell s0| about fundamentals |
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| 04:06.55 | zor0 | and the first one says "I'll have a rum and coke" |
| 04:07.33 | zor0 | and the second one says "I'll have a beerwinevodkarumhihowareyoudrinkI'mgoingtothebar... |
| 04:07.40 | zor0 | and keeps on rattleing on until they shoot him |
| 04:08.08 | karsten | zor0: Bad setup. |
| 04:08.24 | dfx- | lol |
| 04:08.24 | zor0 | karsten: my appologies |
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| 04:08.31 | MatBoy | karsten, I have thought about a very good charity-program |
| 04:08.32 | karsten | zor0: Damned documentation's inconsistant again ;-) |
| 04:08.42 | karsten | MatBoy: Shoot. |
| 04:08.54 | MatBoy | karsten, learn all hotties about Linux and Tux :D |
| 04:08.54 | zor0 | karsten: heh, exactly |
| 04:09.13 | karsten | MatBoy: Schwing! |
| 04:09.22 | karsten | zor0: Oh, he's not null-terminated.... |
| 04:09.24 | MatBoy | karsten, good work forever ! |
| 04:09.47 | zor0 | heh, you'd think hed run into a null eventualy and shut up |
| 04:09.50 | MatBoy | karsten, chapter 1: Chroot ;) |
| 04:09.51 | karsten | MatBoy: I've played in the charity/nonprofit space. It can be tricky. |
| 04:09.57 | karsten | MatBoy: Heh. |
| 04:10.02 | MatBoy | karrotx, indeed... |
| 04:10.11 | MatBoy | karsten, :) |
| 04:10.22 | MatBoy | ok, cu later ! |
| 04:10.25 | karsten | zor0: So this bird flies into a bar. |
| 04:10.38 | karsten | zor0: ... bartender <looks down> says, "Poor bird". |
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| 04:10.54 | zor0 | so a fat guy walks into a bar... |
| 04:10.56 | zor0 | ouch |
| 04:10.58 | ahlfors | karsten, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED? |
| 04:11.04 | zor0 | I don't know why, its just funnier if its a fat guy |
| 04:11.47 | zor0 | oh, heres a non walking-into-things one |
| 04:11.55 | zor0 | millihelen, n. |
| 04:12.01 | zor0 | the amount of energy required to launch one ship |
| 04:12.20 | dfx- | ive got one, how did the guy get his 3com nic working with a debian kernel? |
| 04:12.37 | zor0 | heh, I"m afraid |
| 04:12.39 | dfx- | lol |
| 04:12.44 | zor0 | go to the bar, get shit faced, and buy a new card? |
| 04:13.17 | dfx- | you figure a netgear or 3com would "just work" |
| 04:13.27 | zor0 | heh, I've got a better puzzle |
| 04:13.31 | karsten | dfx-: lspci | grep Eth , google string + linux. Should be one of the 3cXX drivers. |
| 04:13.41 | zor0 | I've got a 1U server with some on board intel chipset that works under debian, but not ubuntu, WTF? |
| 04:13.52 | amphi | zor0: the millihelen is the unit of beaty, not energy |
| 04:13.54 | dfx- | it works on my custom kernels, I just want to try the whole "debian-way" thing to make |
| 04:14.18 | zor0 | amphi: "is this the face that launched a thousand ships?" |
| 04:14.39 | karsten | zor0: Not to be confused with here remarkably less picturesque sister... |
| 04:14.42 | amphi | zor0: indeed |
| 04:14.48 | karsten | zor0: ... the face that shipped a thousand lunches. |
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| 04:14.55 | zor0 | karsten: lol, nice |
| 04:14.59 | amphi | karsten: heh |
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| 04:15.03 | Rusty1 | dfx modprobe 3c905 and... |
| 04:15.14 | helo | ahh... i forgot how much i like fluxbox... |
| 04:15.20 | dfx- | fluxbox rules! |
| 04:15.38 | dfx- | i didnt' even think of it being a module ... lemme try that .. ill brb |
| 04:15.57 | mooseman447 | hey |
| 04:16.10 | dfx- | Rusty1: were you going to say something else? |
| 04:16.14 | helo | i just wish i knew how to pop up a "run program" dialog |
| 04:16.25 | zor0 | helo: fbrun |
| 04:16.30 | karsten | helo: <alt><f2> in some WMs. |
| 04:16.33 | zor0 | helo: bind that to some key |
| 04:16.36 | helo | ok cool |
| 04:16.38 | kane_ | hey, this isnt fully debian releated, but i have a quick question that i have been having alot of trouble fixing. Im running ubuntu and i installed a community package for the nvidia-drivers and apt-get would like to can a whole mess of stuff, such as linux-686, is there a way to "Force" apt-get to not remove anything? |
| 04:16.42 | sparr | I usually use linux until it annoys me too much, then windows until it requires a reinstall. I've never stuck with the linux half of the cycle long enough to want to reinstall it, but after a couple of years I think it's about that time. Are there any guides for installing debian "fresh" on top of an existing debian installation? |
| 04:16.43 | karsten | helo: ... or bind, as zor0 said. |
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| 04:17.03 | karsten | kane_: Is this a debian question or an ubuntu question? |
| 04:17.13 | zor0 | helo: well, in fluxbox, you have to bind :) |
| 04:17.23 | bronaugh | #ubuntu's full of idiots. there's a reason people ask here instead. |
| 04:17.24 | dfx- | BRB |
| 04:17.26 | zor0 | though there isn't any reason you couldn't bind gnome-run or whatever the gnome app is called |
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| 04:17.49 | zor0 | #kubuntu is full of us idiots who like shiny desktop icons :P |
| 04:17.55 | karsten | sparr: Um. You don't reinstall debian. |
| 04:17.59 | bronaugh | zor0: and broken installers. |
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| 04:18.10 | sparr | karsten: I'll take that as a "no" |
| 04:18.13 | bronaugh | zor0: have you tried doing a net install of kubuntu? I got ubuntu. |
| 04:18.21 | karsten | sparr: See any general guide to backup/restore if you absolutely insist, but it's utterly unnecessary. |
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| 04:18.43 | kane_ | karsten: its an ubuntu question, i know, im sorry, But really, its an apt-get question |
| 04:18.54 | karsten | sparr: chroot install, debootstrap, debtakeover, are all methods for bootstrapping a Debian install from w/in an existing Linux instance. |
| 04:18.58 | kane_ | that should be applicable to any mini-debian |
| 04:19.01 | karsten | kane_: /join #ubuntu |
| 04:19.09 | karsten | !tell kane_ about ubuntu |
| 04:19.42 | sparr | karsten: can you recommend any one of them? |
| 04:19.45 | kane_ | i know, i know, sorry, thanks anyways |
| 04:20.13 | karsten | sparr: Well, I wrote the chroot instructions. Debootstrap is the canonical method for that. Appendix C4 of Debian installation manual. |
| 04:20.40 | karsten | sparr: Again: unless you've got a badly misbehaving system, you don't "just reinstall" Debian every few months/years as you might have to do Windows or even RH. |
| 04:20.55 | mooseman447 | how do you generate cert file and key file for ssl apache? |
| 04:21.13 | sparr | karsten: ive got a slightly-in-many-ways misbehaving system, and it only gets worse as the years roll on and i forget all the hundreds of little tweaks and "bad" things ive had to do |
| 04:21.36 | karsten | sparr: The usual solution is to fix the problems. |
| 04:21.43 | sparr | i do fix them |
| 04:21.49 | sparr | but each fix comes back to bite me 6 months later |
| 04:22.16 | karsten | sparr: Mind: trying to override the package management system isn't generally recommended. Know your Debian Policy, don't blow away chunks of the filesystem (as I've seen some folks do). |
| 04:22.25 | karsten | sparr: Also: be specific about what issues you're having. |
| 04:22.57 | karsten | sparr: Anyhow, ask if you want to resolve 'em. I've given you plenty of rope to shoot yourself in the foot with if that's your preference. |
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| 04:23.18 | mooseman447 | what command do i run to generate a ssl cert? |
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| 04:23.21 | sparr | nah, ive mostly played nice with the package system... the only place ive had a real disagreement with it is about nvidia drivers, ive switched between official packages, module-assistant, and nvidia binary packages multiple times, and each time the mess in the filesystem, especially development headers and driver symlinks, gets a little farther out of whack |
| 04:23.34 | karsten | mooseman447: IIRC man openssl |
| 04:23.42 | sparr | the only place that comes to mind at the moment, anyways |
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| 04:24.03 | karsten | sparr: /msg dpkg nvidia. As the OpenBSD team is now advertising loudly, Run, don't walk, from the Blob! |
| 04:24.18 | karsten | sparr: binaries suck. |
| 04:24.23 | sparr | yes, binaries suck |
| 04:24.26 | sparr | but im a gamer |
| 04:24.33 | karsten | sparr: Get a life ;-) |
| 04:24.43 | sparr | i have a life. it involves gaming. :-p |
| 04:25.51 | karsten | sparr: FYE: http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html |
| 04:25.54 | sparr | right now its looking like the easiest solution is going to be to just clear out a new / and do a fresh install, but keep the old / around for a few months to grab config files and such from |
| 04:26.15 | grendal_prime | i use cedega |
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| 04:26.33 | helo | how the heck do i access the keygrabber in fluxbox? |
| 04:26.41 | karsten | sparr: Google "linux backup faq" for a decent listing of what you need / want to back up. |
| 04:26.49 | karsten | helo: Sneaking up from behind? |
| 04:27.11 | grendal_prime | but i never game..i just keep it so that when gammers say..."ya linux sucks for gamming" i usualy fire up quake3 and they go...hu, nevermind. |
| 04:27.11 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 04:27.23 | sparr | well, i game a lot |
| 04:27.24 | karsten | mooseman447: Google "linux create ssl cert" turns up: http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/SSL-Certificates-HOWTO.html |
| 04:27.41 | sparr | when people tell me linux sucks for gaming, ive got a few dozen things to shut them up with :) |
| 04:27.55 | karsten | sparr: MatBoy's "root me" wallpaper? |
| 04:27.58 | helo | KOULES |
| 04:27.59 | sparr | i love fluxbox. it would be awesome if it had a 'startup' programs list |
| 04:28.09 | helo | it does, it's in ~/.fluxbox/startup |
| 04:28.24 | sparr | since when? |
| 04:28.26 | MatBoy | sparr, I have Q4 :D |
| 04:28.39 | MatBoy | ow, I was sleeping |
| 04:28.43 | helo | dunno, that file exists on this installation |
| 04:28.59 | sparr | i havent used flux in a while |
| 04:29.08 | sparr | since the last time the devs said they would never add that feature |
| 04:29.10 | grendal_prime | ya, the quake thing works..but people always com up with some hypathetical question i can never seem to address...i dont game ever really though... accpet when im doing flight training, and then...(only then) i have to scrounge together a windows machine for the simulator and training software. |
| 04:29.37 | sparr | oh, my bad |
| 04:29.40 | sparr | im thinking of OPENbox |
| 04:29.42 | sparr | not fluxbox :) |
| 04:29.48 | sparr | fluxbox IS awesome |
| 04:30.17 | sparr | q4 was the first game i couldnt play because my machine is too slow |
| 04:30.27 | dondelelcaro | just use ~/.xsession; that's what it's for. |
| 04:30.58 | helo | if you use gdm, it tends to overlook ~/.xsession |
| 04:31.11 | dondelelcaro | helo: it won't if you use the Debian session |
| 04:31.16 | sparr | if you use *dm, it also overlooks ~/.xsession |
| 04:31.20 | helo | oh, cool :) |
| 04:31.27 | sparr | dondelelcaro: and then you give up the wm selection goodness |
| 04:31.28 | dondelelcaro | sparr: no, they don't. |
| 04:31.45 | dondelelcaro | you select your wm by putting an exec foowm; at the end of your xsession... |
| 04:31.51 | sparr | lol |
| 04:32.07 | sparr | yeah, and completely ignore the feature built into kdm/gdm to pick your wm at login time |
| 04:32.14 | sparr | or... NOT |
| 04:32.48 | dondelelcaro | if you want to do that, you can write sessions which pass the wm as an argument to xsession; it's pretty easy. |
| 04:33.23 | sparr | and how do you use said sessions? |
| 04:33.28 | sparr | s/use/select between/ |
| 04:33.48 | dondelelcaro | sparr: all the sessions are are little shell scripts |
| 04:34.03 | dondelelcaro | it's trivial to write a little shell script which calls xsession with an env set to the WM selected. |
| 04:34.04 | helo | or you can write a custom X daemon manager in ruby that will allow you to select your window manager by typing the startup commands! |
| 04:34.29 | helo | it's more trivial to click "Session..." -> WhateverWM |
| 04:34.32 | sparr | so what youre saying is "you dont need that feature in your GUI, its trivial to write a little shell script ..." |
| 04:34.49 | dondelelcaro | sparr: the GUI doesn't select WM; it selects different sessions. |
| 04:34.54 | helo | it's trivial to do anything which has already been done and is well documented |
| 04:35.05 | sparr | yes, and debian just happens to provide sessions named after each WM, that start said WM |
| 04:35.24 | dondelelcaro | but that's all they do; they don't start programs or do anything else. |
| 04:35.30 | Rusty1 | am i wrong , or do kdm/gdm leave the xserver running at logout while xdm does not, a bit ot |
| 04:35.30 | sparr | helo: are you being sarcastic or do you have some useful input? |
| 04:35.54 | sparr | dondelelcaro: correct. every WM i use on a regular basis can handle starting its own programs. except openbox. |
| 04:35.54 | helo | useful? like in an ontological sense? |
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| 04:36.57 | sparr | dondelelcaro: and, at this point i would like to make the irrelevant observation that startup programs and sessions are actually two functionally different things. |
| 04:37.12 | dondelelcaro | sparr: they're actually the same thing... |
| 04:37.23 | minerale | Yay! North Korea now has detonated a nuke... |
| 04:37.30 | helo | neet |
| 04:37.35 | helo | we're next! |
| 04:37.41 | sparr | no. a startup program is run [from scratch] at startup. a session [program] is restored to a previous state. |
| 04:37.52 | helo | i vote for sparr |
| 04:37.52 | sparr | fluxbox has startup programs. kde has (i think) sessions. |
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| 04:38.20 | dondelelcaro | sparr: a session is just a script that gets run and optinally starts up a session manager. whether the session is restored are started anew depends on the type of session that it is |
| 04:38.36 | helo | the "new money" linux people have redefined "session" from meaining "what you put in .xsession" |
| 04:39.20 | grendal_prime | you know i just checked it out and if you have an html document, and just rename it with an xls extention, Open office (im going to ASSUME excell also) will open it into the spreadsheet and display it just fine. |
| 04:39.36 | sparr | helo: ive used linux as my primary desktop OS for at least 6 of that past 10 years. dont "new money" me. im well aware of the tedious-to-maintain manual ways to accomplish the things im asking about. what bothers me is that they arent handled automagically and/or through the GUI yet. |
| 04:40.07 | dondelelcaro | there's no way to write a gui such that it's capable of handling the massive number of configuration options that you can program into an .xsession |
| 04:40.11 | sparr | grendal_prime: openoffice will open a file with any extension into a spreadsheet, and if it contains recognizable content then it will display just fine. |
| 04:40.15 | dondelelcaro | regardless, if that's something that you want, write it |
| 04:40.24 | dondelelcaro | (or use a WM that provides it) |
| 04:40.35 | helo | sparr: i wasn't "new money"ing you... i was "new money"ing gnome and kde desktop environments who have chosen to use "Session" to mean more than what it used to |
| 04:40.47 | dondelelcaro | helo: xsm actually predates them by quite a bit |
| 04:40.57 | sparr | what dondelelcaro said (god i hate saying that) |
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| 04:42.00 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I forgot, where do I put universal aliases parsed on boot? |
| 04:42.19 | dondelelcaro | [5D]Silent_Chaos: don't do that |
| 04:42.30 | dondelelcaro | [5D]Silent_Chaos: put them in your .bashrc or .bash_profile or .profile |
| 04:42.31 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | O_O |
| 04:42.43 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | right, thanks |
| 04:42.46 | dondelelcaro | aliases are specific to users shells |
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| 04:43.06 | helo | i might argue that xsm's impact on the common perception of what a session is has been mitigated by its lack of popularity, but seeing as i've never heard of it, i am unaware of its popularity |
| 04:43.08 | sparr | dondelelcaro: "alias rm 'mv /tmp/trash/username/or/whatever'" is a popular global on school shells |
| 04:43.24 | sparr | helo: very slight. but its where kde's session model came from |
| 04:43.27 | dondelelcaro | sparr: that's crap. Use libtrash if you really need that |
| 04:43.36 | sparr | helo: it had influence on the few people that mattered |
| 04:43.37 | dondelelcaro | (or chuck it into /etc/skel) |
| 04:43.59 | helo | sparr: perhaps it didn't |
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| 04:48.04 | AI_coder | Does debian have pkgsrc like slackware for installing bsd ports? |
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| 04:48.36 | grendal_prime | umm...ill bet bsd does. |
| 04:49.36 | AI_coder | grendal_prime: Good answer, sometimes things are so simple that they require a simple answer and that should be applauded other times sarastic children should be reminded that they are just ignorant wastes of flesh. |
| 04:49.46 | AI_coder | grendal_prime: You're a disgrace to humanity. |
| 04:49.49 | grendal_prime | it is source based though if thats what your asking, i mean you can build your own packages from source if you like, there are even tools that automate alot of that process...or do you need bsd source specific (caouse there i cant help you) |
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| 04:51.21 | AI_coder | Yeah, I know it's a source based distro and all the obvious things, but I wanted to know can I use bsd ports on linux by not reinventing the wheel. |
| 04:52.00 | helo | AI_coder: the nice guys working gentoo have already reinvented the wheel with portage, if you're interested in something non-debian |
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| 04:52.45 | helo | AI_coder: you get a fully self-compiled system by the end of it (12+ hours after starting the install) |
| 04:52.55 | AI_coder | I actually use both, gentoo and debian on the same install. |
| 04:53.13 | AI_coder | Why limit your OS to just one package manager? |
| 04:53.28 | helo | it minimizes the amount of work a given package maintainer must do |
| 04:53.39 | AI_coder | That's plain wrong. |
| 04:53.47 | grendal_prime | wow AI_coder in all honesty, im kinda an idiot when it comes to that sort of thing anyway, I was seriously trying to help, |
| 04:54.11 | karsten | AI_coder: Um. To ensure system integrity. |
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| 04:54.15 | grendal_prime | whith what limited ignorance i have. |
| 04:54.23 | helo | thus eliminating the time-sucking tendency that might otherwise keep people from volunteering their spare time to enlarge the availability of software in debian |
| 04:54.35 | AI_coder | karsten: What in the world does system integrity have to do with a package manager? |
| 04:54.46 | grendal_prime | and as far as limited pacakgemanager. Apt is about the most open minded one ive used. |
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| 04:54.54 | karsten | AI_coder: /msg dpkg debian policy |
| 04:54.57 | AI_coder | You don't install the packages on top of each other if that is what you're talking about, that would just be ridiculous. |
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| 04:55.19 | helo | AI_coder: so do you think every distribution should support every single packaging system? |
| 04:55.34 | AI_coder | helo: That would be one of the first things any OS should do. |
| 04:55.47 | karsten | AI_coder: If you stick with a single package manager, and that package manager's sane, you don't have packaging conflicts. If you're mixing and matching, you no longer have Debian, or RH, or FC, or Gentoo, or Ubuntu. You've got a hydra. Welcome to your private hell. |
| 04:56.08 | grendal_prime | i do...and flatfile dbs as well.....i mean everyone of them..and there individual authentication schemas as well. |
| 04:56.11 | AI_coder | I have no hell, I have a great diversity of available software. |
| 04:56.15 | karsten | AI_coder: While it may not be up to Gentoo's standards, Debian support source installs, if you insist. |
| 04:56.28 | AI_coder | karsten: This isn't about source installs. |
| 04:56.33 | karsten | AI_coder: And you're more than welcome to futz /usr/local to your heart's content. |
| 04:56.49 | grendal_prime | and i know some seriouse assholes to maint those "package" managers as well. |
| 04:56.57 | wols | AI_coder: how will you manage dependencies in your perfect distro? |
| 04:57.11 | AI_coder | karsten: Yeah, that is where miscellaneous goes, but the only way to do it is to use the power of UNIX filesystems and mounting. |
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| 04:57.19 | helo | AI_coder: that would be an enoumous amount of work... probably as much as has already been invested in to most distributions... think of the effort that would have to be spent just to make the disparate packing systems aware of each-other's dependency trees... |
| 04:57.22 | AI_coder | s/UNIX/*nix/ |
| 04:57.28 | karsten | AI_coder: Sorry? |
| 04:57.52 | wols | karsten: I think WABT |
| 04:57.59 | grendal_prime | wols, i think he should use, one file...in a hiarchal fomat...like a SYSTEM REGISTRY!! |
| 04:58.19 | karsten | AI_coder: Just out of curiosity, what's your package candidate pool size? |
| 04:58.24 | AI_coder | karsten: You put the debian os in the /deb folder that contains the entire OS and /slack for the slack OS etc. |
| 04:58.44 | helo | AI_coder: but because you seem to value the time of others so little, i bet you wouldn't mind setting yourself to such a difficult task... good luck! |
| 04:58.45 | karsten | AI_coder: Well, that would require some serious butchery on Debian. |
| 04:58.49 | AI_coder | karsten: Don't really count but at least everything available in major distros and soon to have BSD pkgsrc. |
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| 04:58.59 | karsten | AI_coder: Now, if you want to maintain a number of chroot environments, sure, be my guest. |
| 04:59.09 | AI_coder | karsten: Where is the butchery? |
| 04:59.12 | wols | karsten: it would require serious butchery to any distro he adds |
| 04:59.24 | AI_coder | The chroot is trivial. |
| 04:59.25 | karsten | AI_coder: Well, if you're going to cite that as a quantitative advantage of your approach, you might go through the rigor of, um, quantifying it. |
| 04:59.33 | grendal_prime | HEHEHE ya, or you could just use vmware and test al the distros...after spending a shitload of time you will (if you are a sysadmin) decide that for all around performance and ease of use. debian is DA MAN. |
| 04:59.33 | karsten | wols: Yathink? |
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| 04:59.49 | karsten | AI_coder: Debian's default installation tree, wired into APT. |
| 04:59.58 | karsten | AI_coder: .. and required by policy. |
| 05:00.05 | wols | AI_coder: what you want isn't doable with any distro with a degree of packagemenagement |
| 05:00.20 | AI_coder | wols: Except for the fact that it works. |
| 05:00.22 | karsten | wols: rpm _is_ relocatable. Debian's dpkg isn't. |
| 05:00.32 | wols | AI_coder: it already works? where? |
| 05:00.56 | wols | karsten: this won't help him with things like Xorg from distro A, KDE from distro b |
| 05:01.01 | AI_coder | Well a few friends of mine including my own set of boxes. |
| 05:01.22 | AI_coder | wols: bs, I use kde from debian, xorg and nvidia from gentoo. |
| 05:01.23 | karsten | AI_coder: And you're managing ld.so.conf how? |
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| 05:01.38 | AI_coder | karsten: Didn't I already tell you the chroot. |
| 05:01.42 | grendal_prime | You could just build the entire os from source...i did that once..dude my balls were so big after i did that...i mean i actually just walked around town with the..."i can build an entire os from text files..." look on my face...and hotty chicks hanging off each arm...i had to marry one of them.. |
| 05:01.50 | wols | AI_coder: so how got you kde installed from debian? what command(s)? |
| 05:01.56 | karsten | AI_coder: Um. A chroot isn't a multi-managed distro box. It's a box with a bunch of chroots. |
| 05:02.31 | AI_coder | karsten: Except for the fact that everything is transparent due to using the fhs the way it was meant to, using mounts liberally. |
| 05:02.36 | karsten | AI_coder: You're still booting something as the native, un-chrooted host, and managing that system from a single manager, I'd suppose. |
| 05:03.02 | AI_coder | Well of course. |
| 05:03.05 | karsten | AI_coder: Tell you what. Write a HOWTO documenting the process, management, features, benefits, and pitfall.s |
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| 05:03.26 | karsten | AI_coder: Much more productive than wankering on IRC. |
| 05:03.28 | AI_coder | I might, if I ever get time. |
| 05:03.38 | grendal_prime | I still think anyone who cant just build their own kernel, and install everything else from source, in a week, is ..well...a pussy. |
| 05:03.56 | grendal_prime | hehehehe |
| 05:04.03 | grendal_prime | i love this channel |
| 05:04.10 | AI_coder | karsten: If you can think of a way to make a few bucks off of it, consider it done. |
| 05:04.13 | karsten | AI_coder: In the event you were looking for an answer to your original question: no, BSD ports aren't part of Debian, they fall outside of apt. |
| 05:04.22 | karsten | AI_coder: That's really not my problem. |
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| 05:04.30 | karsten | AI_coder: If you want to sell the idea as practical, do so. |
| 05:04.34 | grendal_prime | ya, what he said. |
| 05:04.47 | AI_coder | karsten: You're right it's not. |
| 05:05.01 | karsten | AI_coder: You're welcome to manage a ports tree under /usr/local, however, using tools of your choosing, or under a chroot, which it appears you're doing. |
| 05:05.32 | karsten | AI_coder: So, got any signal to add to the channel? |
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| 05:05.56 | AI_coder | It's quite manageable actually mount -o bind... proc, sys, etc. prepending all debian commands with d, slackware with s etc. |
| 05:06.08 | grendal_prime | karsten, he hurt my feallers man... |
| 05:06.22 | karsten | !comfort grendal_prime |
| 05:06.23 | dpkg | There, there, grendal_prime. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:06.28 | grendal_prime | and i was just trying to help... |
| 05:06.43 | grendal_prime | thanks dpkg |
| 05:06.43 | dpkg | de rien, grendal_prime |
| 05:06.48 | AI_coder | grendal_prime: Next time I'll rip off your legs and feed you to an ant pile. |
| 05:07.08 | karsten | AI_coder: I'll take that as a "no" then. |
| 05:07.17 | grendal_prime | wooo...im sure you are nothing of the caliber im use to dealing with.. |
| 05:07.18 | AI_coder | Might get some of the kids down my street and burn you with a magnifying glass. |
| 05:07.27 | karsten | grendal_prime: /ignore. |
| 05:08.23 | wols | karsten: perma sundday, I tell ya. Perma sunday |
| 05:08.36 | wols | ... or time just stopped when I went to bed yesterday |
| 05:08.39 | karsten | wols: Well, it *is* sunday, still, localtime |
| 05:08.52 | wols | explains a lot |
| 05:09.17 | grendal_prime | well it just makes me mad..i dont log onto #suse(as much as i should) and beat them up because there distro hides config files in undocumented locations. |
| 05:09.31 | AI_coder | You people are big wusses, I was making a reference to kids torturing ants when grendal_prime said his feelers(antennae) were hurt. |
| 05:09.44 | wols | grendal_prime: ignore him |
| 05:09.47 | grendal_prime | your a fag |
| 05:09.52 | wols | and AI_coder: troll elsewhere |
| 05:09.55 | grendal_prime | i wasnt going to give you hell about it though |
| 05:09.56 | AI_coder | grendal_prime: You're right, I'm a total fag. |
| 05:10.01 | grendal_prime | knew it |
| 05:10.07 | wols | grendal_prime: if you wanna fight, do it on efnet as you're supposed to |
| 05:10.10 | AI_coder | grendal_prime: You're clever. |
| 05:10.13 | AI_coder | I respect that. |
| 05:10.53 | grendal_prime | no...you dont im sure of that. |
| 05:10.58 | grendal_prime | but anyway.. |
| 05:11.18 | litage | i've just restarted one of my boxes and it's asking for the root password so that it can do some fsck'ing. however, despite typing the correct password, verification always fails. how can i get the fsck to happen? |
| 05:11.24 | AI_coder | I'm telling you, programmers got no backbone, I come in here and tease a little and you guys are all in arms over it, lighten up, wait till your next boss is a total asshole to you and you can't /ignore boss because you'll starve. |
| 05:11.37 | karsten | litage: Type the _right_ right password. |
| 05:11.40 | ahlfors | litage, could there be a keyboard problem? |
| 05:11.46 | pstickne | litage, then it's likely not the right password. your your caps-lock is on O.o |
| 05:12.24 | karsten | litage: or at grub prompt: edit 'kernel' line, add 'init=/bin/bash', boot, 'mount -o remount,rw /; passwd; mount -o remount,ro /; reboot -f' |
| 05:12.30 | pstickne | litage, but never-fear, pop in a good 'ol boot cd and pull up single-mod ;) |
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| 05:13.03 | grendal_prime | i got to roll. thanks for the wildly funny geek chat guys, i have to fly a plane at 6am and i have no idea how cold its going to be so seeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaa...by the way, AI_coder i know your type, as far as backbone goes im an instrument rated pilot that flys weekly in the sierras (year round) so fuck off you wuss..hahaha |
| 05:13.14 | litage | karsten, pstickne: i'm definitely typing the correct password. i've even hit CTRL+D to continue booting, set the root password to "asdf1234", restarted, and the password verification still failed |
| 05:13.39 | litage | ahlfors: i've tried multiple keyboards, so it's highly unlikely |
| 05:13.46 | pstickne | litage, maybe it's not using the authentication mechanism you think it is then. can you su with that password? |
| 05:13.51 | ahlfors | litage, dunno then |
| 05:13.56 | AI_coder | grendal_prime: I'm hurt, thanks for the hurtful words, or the desperate cries for attention by getting psychologically abused. |
| 05:13.57 | litage | pstickne: yeah i can |
| 05:14.06 | pstickne | litage, and it just started or...? |
| 05:14.22 | litage | pstickne: what do you mean, "and it just started or ...?"? |
| 05:14.40 | AI_coder | Damn, I suppose he got the last word in, well I guess that means he won, right? |
| 05:14.42 | pstickne | litage, has this box always been like this or did it start today after working fine for 10 years :P |
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| 05:17.16 | litage | pstickne: just started doing this, though this is the first time it's needed to do a routine fsck after reboot |
| 05:18.41 | pstickne | hmm. but su works fine with the password prompt you say :-/ do they use the same login auth? |
| 05:19.31 | pstickne | and it's not changing the username on you is it? |
| 05:20.27 | helo | how does one do command completion based on ~/.bash_history? |
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| 05:22.15 | tenzing_ | hi... how should i change my fstab to enable me to automount ntfs partion in rw mode? |
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| 05:23.57 | pstickne | rw/no ro as option? |
| 05:25.10 | litage | pstickne: i just reset the root password to something incredibly basic, rebooted, and it worked. the only explanation is that a massive pebkac error was going on earlier :X thanks for your help |
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| 05:26.25 | pstickne | litage, glad it works. thanks for humoring my by listening :P |
| 05:26.34 | helo | wth |
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| 05:31.07 | Azio | morning all |
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| 05:37.56 | karsten | litage: Interesting |
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| 05:38.20 | karsten | litage: Ah, ok. |
| 05:38.22 | enouf | tenzing_: /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 05:38.47 | karsten | tenzing_: RW NTFS is *NOT* recommended. |
| 05:39.03 | enouf | karsten: you too |
| 05:39.09 | enouf | :-) |
| 05:39.50 | enouf | since July there's supposedly an ntfs-3g driver that allows for rw without errors |
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| 05:40.09 | enouf | not that I care or would recommend it.. |
| 05:40.57 | enouf | I hate to be Homogenized! |
| 05:40.58 | karsten | enouf: scary |
| 05:41.11 | enouf | yes indeed .. |
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| 05:42.00 | enouf | maybe I can coin a new term =-> homogenixed [TM] |
| 05:42.17 | karsten | tenzing_: Tell you what, you're our guinea pig. |
| 05:42.27 | karsten | enouf: Please do. |
| 05:42.38 | karsten | enouf: End the distro/Unix wars! Now! |
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| 05:43.24 | grumillo | i just install the x window but i cannot find the xorg.conf file in the /etc/X11 directory, is this normal? how can i produce one automatically? thanks |
| 05:44.05 | wols | how did you install X |
| 05:44.09 | nocti | will the new debian release be running Xorg? or still XFree? |
| 05:44.20 | wols | nocti: xorg |
| 05:44.28 | nocti | ok nice. |
| 05:44.31 | simonrvn | xorg. whatever is in etch at the time ... |
| 05:44.37 | nocti | when will it be coming? |
| 05:44.59 | wols | grumillo: how did you install X? |
| 05:45.06 | simonrvn | WIR, SIYH |
| 05:45.28 | simonrvn | expected release is december |
| 05:45.59 | grumillo | i did apt-get install x-window-system |
| 05:46.09 | wols | grumillo: on sarge, etch or sid? |
| 05:46.29 | jetscreamer | if > sarge then apt-get install xorg |
| 05:46.37 | wols | amd when you did that, there was a configuation setting where you had to answer a few questions about X config |
| 05:46.57 | wols | jetscreamer: no. you install it with x-window-system everywhere |
| 05:47.35 | grumillo | wols: sarge debian 3.1 |
| 05:48.01 | wols | grumillo: there is no xorg.conf. sarge still uses XFree86 |
| 05:48.05 | wols | !tell grumillo about drxx |
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| 05:48.46 | grumillo | i answered the questions during the installations |
| 05:48.57 | grumillo | but i don't seem to have the xorg.conf |
| 05:49.12 | wols | there is no oxrg.conf on sarge. never will be |
| 05:49.23 | wols | and you're not supposed to edit the config manually either |
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| 05:49.46 | wols | there is a XF86Config-4 |
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| 05:50.30 | wols | use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:50.40 | mog | is there an easy way to down grade my kernel to 2.6.8-2-k7 from 2.6.8-3-k7 ? |
| 05:50.47 | mog | i need this kernel module http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-modules/index.html |
| 05:51.16 | wols | mog: that will ontroduce a local exploit. it's possible but not a good thing to do |
| 05:51.41 | wols | !tell mog about fglrx |
| 05:52.00 | mog | i have it installed. i need this kernel module for 3D-acceleration |
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| 05:58.27 | grumillo | wols: i tried what you said but i cannot find the right resolution fo my screen which is 1900*1200, what can i do? thanks |
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| 05:58.29 | dwu_ | whats a good program for tabbed shell? |
| 05:58.31 | mog | i ran aptitude anyway and it could not find fglrx-driver fglrx-control nor fglrx-kernel-src wols |
| 05:58.41 | dwu_ | !seen |
| 05:58.42 | mog | i even ran aptiude update |
| 05:58.43 | dwu_ | !seen greycat |
| 05:58.43 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 16d 15h 13m 28s ago, saying: 'haha'. |
| 05:58.51 | wols | grumillo: what video chipset? |
| 05:59.07 | dwu_ | !seen bob2 |
| 05:59.08 | dpkg | bob2 <n=bob4@ble59-5-82-233-207-9.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 47d 5h 31m 13s ago, saying: 'guerin fake ass yoursel'. |
| 06:00.01 | wols | grumillo: is it a widescreen notebook? |
| 06:00.02 | lindenle | I am having trouble with my cdrw/dvd drive all of a sudden. Samsung Cd-rW/DvD-RoM Sn-324B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM, I am getting set_drive_speed_status errors and packet command errors. Can someone offer some insight (kernel 2.6.28) |
| 06:00.12 | grumillo | wols: glint is the name of the driver i am using |
| 06:00.25 | grumillo | wolf: not it's a lcd screen by dell 24 inch |
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| 06:00.45 | wols | grumillo: you didn't tell me the name of the chip? |
| 06:00.52 | mog | lindenle: is it old? perhalps it's wearing away |
| 06:01.08 | lindenle | not so old, 1 year |
| 06:01.22 | wols | tho I dunno of any way to set that res with that old chip manually. maybe you need to edit XF86Config-4 by hand after all |
| 06:01.28 | lindenle | there is also a strange warning about /proc/ide/hd? soon to be obsoleted |
| 06:01.33 | dwu_ | tabbed terminal |
| 06:01.35 | dwu_ | anyone know any? |
| 06:01.42 | wols | lindenle: use a slower speed for writing? |
| 06:01.48 | wols | debian: konsole? |
| 06:01.51 | lindenle | no it hangs at noot |
| 06:02.01 | wols | dwu_: konsole |
| 06:02.07 | lindenle | until ide timeout |
| 06:02.14 | lindenle | and will no longer sleep |
| 06:02.24 | wols | lindenle: sounds like broken hardware |
| 06:02.42 | wols | lindenle: use a debian kernel |
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| 06:03.32 | lindenle | I can try that but then no ipw2200 ;) |
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| 06:04.42 | wols | you should still try: if it works with debian kernel, you fucked up when building your 2.6.18 |
| 06:04.49 | lindenle | true |
| 06:04.52 | lindenle | I will have a ook |
| 06:04.57 | lindenle | s/ook/look |
| 06:05.20 | grumillo | wolf: it should be Texas Instruments TVP4020 [Permedia 2] (rev 01) |
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| 06:06.14 | mog | does aptitdue and apt-get share the same sources.list ( being /etc/sources.list) ? |
| 06:06.47 | mog | err /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:06.50 | grumillo | wolfs it should be Texas Instruments TVP4020 [Permedia 2] (rev 01) |
| 06:07.01 | mog | i guess so according to my search |
| 06:07.27 | Guerin | !tell lalalalalal about away |
| 06:07.36 | enouf | dwu_: yes konsole as wols said .. and I've seen greycat over in #bash only yestereday (or so I thought) |
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| 06:10.27 | grumillo | wols: t should be Texas Instruments TVP4020 [Permedia 2] (rev 01) |
| 06:10.58 | wols | as I said: edit the config file |
| 06:11.04 | mog | why would !fglrx tell me to add 'contrib non-free' if aptitude outputs E: Type 'contrib' is not known on line 8 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 06:11.07 | kali_ | Hi, I just did an upgrade on debian etch and the udev package failed to upgrade |
| 06:11.14 | mog | and suggest non existant packages. |
| 06:11.42 | wols | mog: how does the line look for contrib and non-free? |
| 06:11.49 | kali_ | it fails on the configure setup and now I'm stuck. how do I fix this problem ? |
| 06:12.21 | mog | wols: contrib non-free ? j |
| 06:12.23 | wols | you paste the error output somewhere |
| 06:12.26 | mog | am i reading it wrong? |
| 06:12.37 | wols | mog: paste the line |
| 06:12.39 | nocti | . |
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| 06:13.07 | mog | that is the line wols |
| 06:13.15 | mog | i guess fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; |
| 06:13.20 | wols | mog: then learn how to write a sources.list |
| 06:13.21 | mog | right after that is the line of aptitude |
| 06:13.41 | wols | mog: and there is MO aptitude in sources.list |
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| 06:13.53 | karsten | wols: MO ? |
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| 06:13.56 | mog | i didnt say that. |
| 06:14.06 | wols | all lines in there are either comments or start with "deb" or "deb-rcs" look at one of them to see how it's done |
| 06:14.14 | wols | karsten: MOO |
| 06:14.14 | mog | i just said. right after that line of contrib, is the line of aptitude to run |
| 06:14.27 | karsten | wols: mo moo? |
| 06:14.39 | wols | karsten: MO' MOO |
| 06:14.52 | wols | cause MOO is essential, my homei |
| 06:14.52 | karsten | wols: baah1 |
| 06:14.57 | wols | *homie |
| 06:15.01 | mog | deb contrib non-free ? how am i supposed to know |
| 06:15.02 | karsten | baah!, even |
| 06:15.10 | mog | why doesent !fglrx just tell me |
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| 06:15.16 | karsten | wols: Might point him at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 06:15.19 | wols | ...and he's not even an aussie |
| 06:15.23 | enouf | Larry, Curly, and Shemp + MOE~ |
| 06:15.47 | wols | mog: no. you're supposed to have a certain basic understanding of debian |
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| 06:16.11 | mog | how is sources.list relevent to ATI drivers where, !fglrx just cant tell me? |
| 06:16.14 | wols | mog: look at what karsten said |
| 06:16.23 | mog | so i should get a book on debian ? |
| 06:16.33 | enouf | wols: homie !=homey :-) |
| 06:16.35 | Guerin | !grounding |
| 06:16.35 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 06:16.36 | jetscreamer | no you should use a script |
| 06:16.37 | wols | mog: no you should read free manuals |
| 06:16.43 | mog | where ? |
| 06:16.44 | Guerin | mog: ^ there is your book ↑ |
| 06:16.46 | jetscreamer | kanotix.com/files |
| 06:16.59 | Guerin | jetscreamer: kanotix bad |
| 06:17.04 | kali_ | any idea on how to fix a failed udev upgrade ? |
| 06:17.05 | Guerin | jetscreamer: jetscreamer stupid |
| 06:17.11 | Guerin | kali_: don't use udev |
| 06:17.16 | jetscreamer | Guerin: works==bad |
| 06:17.20 | Guerin | kali_: problem solved (permanently) |
| 06:17.23 | wols | Guerin: kinda hard when using etch |
| 06:17.31 | mog | where are these free manuals ? |
| 06:17.38 | jetscreamer | debian.org |
| 06:17.40 | mog | oh |
| 06:17.41 | wols | mog: mostly at debian.org |
| 06:17.43 | Guerin | wols: i am fortunate that udev hasn't eaten my homework or impreganted my cat yet |
| 06:17.43 | jetscreamer | tldp.org |
| 06:17.53 | Guerin | mog: can you not fucking READ? |
| 06:17.54 | kali_ | Guerin: yes, etch comes with udev and everything is connected |
| 06:18.04 | Guerin | mog: about 10 of them are listed above |
| 06:18.18 | jetscreamer | udev, now THAT's good... a shining example of brains and ingenuity |
| 06:18.26 | liable | Guerin: how do you make that little arrow? |
| 06:18.27 | streuner_ | !be a man page barbie |
| 06:18.28 | dpkg | Aww, man page is HARD! Let's go shopping, streuner_ |
| 06:18.29 | wols | Guerin: I simply use custom kernels. but sooner or later, you WILL have to use udev with debian (unless another devfs thing happens, tho kroah-hartman likves udev....) |
| 06:18.29 | jetscreamer | !worship udev |
| 06:18.55 | wols | kali_: I told you what to do first, your choice to ignore it |
| 06:19.07 | jetscreamer | everything wants hal, and hal wants udev |
| 06:19.14 | liable | jetscreamer: worship udev? did you forget to take your pills today? :) |
| 06:19.22 | jetscreamer | you love udev |
| 06:19.32 | liable | i dont mind it, i dont love it though |
| 06:19.33 | jetscreamer | it's the debian way |
| 06:19.48 | enouf | kali_: make certain ou've pruged hotplug and install hal (remove and reinstall if necessary) |
| 06:19.49 | liable | its ok when it lets the system boot :) |
| 06:19.53 | kali_ | wols: i missed your answer and don't see it in my scroll back |
| 06:19.53 | wols | jetscreamer: or you write stupid rants like that ingo guy in his blog |
| 06:19.59 | jetscreamer | speaking of udev... |
| 06:20.04 | enouf | s/ou've/you've |
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| 06:20.31 | jetscreamer | i still can't put my fuckin other ide controller in this box unless i learn to write my own udev rules... and install with it in? omfg NO |
| 06:20.32 | wols | kali_: there are error messages, specific error messages. DO you think we're psychic and can see them in your mind? |
| 06:21.04 | jetscreamer | yes that's right wols! debian is nonfree! |
| 06:21.07 | mog | !ig |
| 06:21.10 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 06:21.15 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:21.15 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:21.17 | wols | !tell mog about msg |
| 06:21.28 | mog | oh my bad |
| 06:21.37 | wols | mog: note: tarzeau is an exception. we tried to train him, but he's stubborn |
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| 06:21.47 | kali_ | wols: my bad , here it goes - dpkg: error processing udev (--configure): |
| 06:21.47 | kali_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.04 | wols | kali_: that is only a very small part of it. and the useless part |
| 06:22.05 | jetscreamer | lies, udev never borks! |
| 06:22.12 | wols | !tell kali_ about paster |
| 06:22.17 | mog | !tell mog about docs |
| 06:22.23 | mog | !tell mog about manuals |
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| 06:22.26 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg docs |
| 06:22.29 | wols | mog: more wrongness |
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| 06:22.39 | wols | mog: read that msg factoid more carefully |
| 06:22.44 | jetscreamer | course there probably isn't a doc factoid |
| 06:22.51 | liable | Guerin: tell me how to make the arrow!!??!! |
| 06:22.59 | jetscreamer | -> |
| 06:23.00 | streuner_ | dpkg, no be reading barbie is <reply> Reading is HARD. Let's go shopping! |
| 06:23.00 | dpkg | okay, streuner_ |
| 06:23.29 | wols | streuner_: please bring me a present when you go. kthxbye |
| 06:23.45 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 06:23.49 | streuner_ | wols: hm? |
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| 06:23.58 | jetscreamer | ctrl l is clear in xchat? :) |
| 06:23.59 | wols | shopping |
| 06:24.01 | enouf | streuner_: !barb coud be a useful acronym there |
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| 06:24.32 | streuner_ | wols: do i look like a barbie? ;-) |
| 06:24.33 | Guerin | liable: oh, this arrow?↑ or do you mean this ↓ arrow? |
| 06:24.52 | wols | streuner_: I don't care who brings me presents. all I care about are the presents |
| 06:24.55 | Guerin | liable: urxvt-unicode and utf-8, hold shift and ctrl, hit a key |
| 06:25.00 | Guerin | liable: see what happen! |
| 06:25.02 | liable | Guerin: i want the lot |
| 06:25.03 | streuner_ | wols: hehe |
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| 06:25.24 | wols | liable: and there is no UNICODE on irc. os just forget it |
| 06:25.43 | liable | wols: huh? |
| 06:25.56 | wols | well, actually it's that strange finnish codepage only but lets forget that fast and pretend it's ISO8859-1 or something :) |
| 06:26.00 | JKnife | ».« |
| 06:26.09 | liable | Guerin: hth do i set the urblah-unicode ? |
| 06:26.16 | liable | i have utf8 |
| 06:26.23 | wols | liable: IRC doesn't define any encoding, so UNICODE isn't supported by all clients |
| 06:26.36 | liable | well, he uses irssi, so do i |
| 06:26.38 | JKnife | utf8 is a form of unicode |
| 06:26.59 | JKnife | and it is surpported by irssi by ddefault |
| 06:27.07 | wols | JKnife: sure it is, but some clients use unicideo, some don't and everyone understands ISO8859-1 |
| 06:27.20 | liable | |
| 06:27.21 | wols | JKnife: it is supported but not used by default |
| 06:27.35 | liable | hrm, not the result i was after... |
| 06:27.46 | JKnife | uhh.. i am using it w/o changing my settings |
| 06:27.57 | liable | oh, alright, i'll fgi |
| 06:28.05 | wols | JKnife: maybe cause your console is already unicode |
| 06:28.10 | JKnife | urxvt =) |
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| 06:36.35 | liable | well, i am not really getting unicode to work, but i have seen some interesting key combos for my term |
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| 06:38.10 | kali_ | wols: I'm stuck, I googled around and haven't been able find where the error messages are going , read the Apt howto , but no info on how to turn on Verbose option for apt-get |
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| 06:40.45 | enouf | kali_: apt-get is naturally verbose (for me anyway) |
| 06:41.33 | kali_ | enouf: I'm trying to find the exact error message for my failed udev upgrade |
| 06:41.35 | enouf | kali_: apt hoto? ... read the manpages -> man apt-get , man dpkg, etc |
| 06:41.38 | Barnes | kali_ -V flag is verbose version |
| 06:42.11 | kali_ | enouf: I just found the /var/lib/dpkg/info/udev*. this is what I was looking for |
| 06:42.18 | enouf | kali_: maybe look at /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 06:42.42 | enouf | kali_: apt is a front end (higher level) for dpkg |
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| 06:43.10 | kali_ | enouf: now I will know what scrip failed in the post install phase |
| 06:43.11 | enouf | kali_: does X work ? |
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| 06:43.41 | kali_ | enouf : I did an apt-get upgrade on etch and it failed on the udev upgrade |
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| 06:44.22 | enouf | understood already .. but -->[02:35:24] <enouf> kali_: does X work ? |
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| 06:45.03 | kali_ | enouf: yes , X is working |
| 06:45.14 | enouf | kali_: ok .. uname -a please |
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| 06:45.41 | kali_ | enouf: 2.6.18 #1 SMP |
| 06:45.57 | enouf | kali_: I'm afraid there's more than that |
| 06:46.33 | kali_ | enouf: Linux vlogger 2.6.18 #1 SMP Thu Sep 28 22:31:29 PDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:47.04 | enouf | kali_: ok .. hrm is that a kernel.org kernel ? |
| 06:47.37 | kali_ | enouf: yes, I installed 2.6.18 from kernel.org |
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| 06:47.59 | enouf | kali_: ok .. and had you done an update prior to the upgrade? |
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| 06:48.31 | kali_ | enouf: yes. update and then upgrade |
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| 06:49.41 | enouf | kali_: ' locate udev ' -- do you have these files > /etc/init.d/udev, /etc/init.d/udev-mtab, /etc/rcS.d/S03udev, /etc/rcS.d/S36udev-mtab |
| 06:51.21 | kali_ | enouf: yes, those files are present |
| 06:51.53 | enouf | kali_: also .. what's a dpkg -l udev | tail -1 say? |
| 06:52.02 | nirr1 | Hi.after an upgrade I get "init_netio: Couldn't open epoll fd - 38: Function not implemented" in my ircs-hybrid log file and the irc server doesn’t start. Any idea how to fix this? |
| 06:52.11 | zamaliphe | i have try to use ubuntu and kubuntu but i get some bade sings like i koldent run any vedio and my system get freez evrey afew ments what do you think should i use dibian ? |
| 06:52.19 | Raimi | aw maaan. i cant believe someone broke apache2 entirely on sid |
| 06:52.26 | kali_ | enouf: iF udev 0.100-2 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 06:52.35 | enouf | and then there were 3 |
| 06:52.45 | enouf | kali_: ok ... one sec |
| 06:53.29 | enouf | kali_: yep iF == Install Failed |
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| 06:54.06 | enouf | kali_: hmmm .. can you try to reinstall it? |
| 06:54.39 | kali_ | enouf: yes, I tried. did not work. trying to remove it asks me to remove all my kernels ! |
| 06:54.44 | enouf | apt-get -f install udev .. but first dpkg -l hotplug | tail -1 |
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| 06:55.13 | enouf | kali_: also dpkg -l hal please |
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| 06:55.24 | kali_ | enouf: un hotplug <none> (no description available) |
| 06:55.44 | kali_ | enouf: iU hal 0.5.7.1-2 Hardware Abstraction Layer |
| 06:55.45 | enouf | kali_: that's good |
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| 06:56.08 | enouf | kali_: apt-get -s install hal |
| 06:56.31 | enouf | kali_: that's -s for "simulation" so no worry |
| 06:56.49 | kali_ | enouf: it fails with the same error message - subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
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| 06:57.55 | enouf | kali_: ok ... restart X .. then apt-get --purge remove hal |
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| 07:00.00 | kali_ | enouf: hal is removed , pn hal <none> (no description available) |
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| 07:00.08 | enouf | kali_: then apt-get install hal |
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| 07:00.49 | kali_ | enouf: it fails at the udev post-installation |
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| 07:01.32 | enouf | kali_: ok do the --purge remove hal again, adn let's try reinstalling udev |
| 07:02.31 | kali_ | enouf: here's the apt-get output --#apt-get install hal http://channels.debian.net/paste/3988. |
| 07:02.40 | enouf | kali_: use apt-get --reinstall install udev |
| 07:02.46 | enouf | kali_: looking |
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| 07:04.45 | enouf | hrmm .. do what I just said about --reinstall and it appears somethign is amuck with initiramfs-tools dependencies .. hence from your pastebin |
| 07:04.49 | enouf | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of initramfs-tools: initramfs-tools depends on udev (>= 0.086-1); however: Package udev is not configured yet |
| 07:04.50 | dpkg | enouf: that's too long |
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| 07:05.04 | enouf | heh |
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| 07:05.11 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.23 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I'm running a P4 1.8 Ghz, is i386 the best kernel to run? |
| 07:05.41 | kali_ | enouf: reinstall fails with same error - http://channels.debian.net/paste/3989 |
| 07:06.26 | kali_ | enouf: all the packages, hal, initramfs-tools have a dependency on udev |
| 07:06.42 | enouf | kali_: I'm noticing ... hehe |
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| 07:07.32 | kali_ | enouf: on google, one of the solution was to boot into a 2.4 kernel and remove udev, 2.6 kernel and reinstall! |
| 07:08.10 | kali_ | enouf: now I can't install anything as apt-get starts with trying to fix udev and fails |
| 07:08.12 | enouf | kali_: maybe unistall initramfs-tools - then --purge udev and try again .. I'm not great with fixing scripting errors .. maybe placing an exit 0 at just the right place wiuthin the udev .postinst will help |
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| 07:09.21 | enouf | kali_: have an earlier 2.6.16 kernel you could try maybe - if you use a 2.4, you may start messing up all sorts of old hotplug and devfs depends |
| 07:09.28 | zaphands | Hello. How do I run a program on another computer using ssh so it will keep running after I close the window and I could it's results when it finish? |
| 07:09.43 | zaphands | could check it's...^ |
| 07:09.53 | kali_ | enouf: trying to remove initramfs, asks me to remove all my linux kernels ! |
| 07:09.54 | wols | zaphands: screen |
| 07:09.55 | enouf | s/messing up/running into issues with |
| 07:10.15 | kali_ | enouf: also I do not have a 2.6.12 kernel on my system |
| 07:10.48 | zaphands | wols: I meant truly close the connection. not just the window. |
| 07:11.12 | Guerin | liable: rxvt-unicode-ml is a terminal emulator |
| 07:11.26 | kali_ | zaphands: as wols said, screen will do the trick for you. I use it all the time |
| 07:11.27 | wols | zaphands: me too. screen |
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| 07:11.43 | wols | zaphands: apt-cache show screen |
| 07:11.47 | zaphands | oh.. thanks.. |
| 07:12.08 | wols | kali_: what kernel are you currently running? |
| 07:12.20 | kali_ | wols: 2.6.18 |
| 07:12.45 | Guerin | wols: thérẽ ïs üni¢ođ€ on ïrç! |
| 07:12.54 | kali_ | enouf: so no 2.4 and I do not have a pre udev 2.6 kernel |
| 07:13.11 | basanta | what is the channel for bluefish |
| 07:13.33 | Guerin | !htfswk basanta |
| 07:13.33 | dpkg | basanta: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 07:13.49 | basanta | dpkg, then shut up |
| 07:13.55 | OmnipotentEntity | I'm having trouble starting bittorrent or bittornado. |
| 07:14.03 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | please dont yell at the bot |
| 07:14.04 | OmnipotentEntity | wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly. |
| 07:14.22 | Guerin | basanta: the question was HOW should we know? Google, or ask someone who actually knows about it. |
| 07:14.35 | Guerin | basanta: this is #debian, in case you were unaware. |
| 07:14.37 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | !artificial intelligence |
| 07:14.37 | dpkg | Artificial intelligence? And here I am, using my brain like a sucker! *Doh* |
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| 07:15.14 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: don't use the gui -> problem solved |
| 07:15.25 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: or aptitude search wxpython |
| 07:15.45 | OmnipotentEntity | I have everything python-wx* installed |
| 07:16.01 | OmnipotentEntity | As for curses vs. gui, I'd rather use the gui. |
| 07:16.26 | enouf | kali_: sorry ... dunno ..hrmm ...1st, you have a newer version of udev(0.100-2) than I do on a stale Sid (0.093-1) - 2nd Have you done a ' apt-get dist-upgrade '?? but ONLY if you have NO extraneous Sid lines in /etc/apt/sources.list -- or do you |
| 07:16.44 | enouf | kali_: and you're supposedly running etch |
| 07:17.03 | enouf | kali_: have you been mixing sources ..?? naught naughty |
| 07:17.10 | enouf | +y |
| 07:17.11 | karsten | basanta: /msg chanserv list *pattern* |
| 07:17.35 | kali_ | enouf: yes , I did a apt-get dist-upgrade and yes, I do have debian-multimedia and couple of other source in my sources.list :( |
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| 07:18.11 | linuxmigration | does etch have an equivalent for base-config? |
| 07:18.25 | enouf | kali_: hmm ...not sure what fuckage mplayer would cause .. but any Sid/Unstable lines there? |
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| 07:18.52 | kali_ | enouf : but each of the source I have are for specific packages and none of them install any base packages or libraries |
| 07:18.57 | enouf | linuxmigration: it's removed from etch .. maybe um .. shit I forgot ..discover? (0likely not |
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| 07:19.23 | kali_ | enouf: mplayer comes from the debian-multimedia.org line on my sources list |
| 07:19.27 | karsten | linuxmigration: Not base-config per se. |
| 07:19.30 | enouf | kali_: that only works if you have an apt_preferences and/or apt.conf file |
| 07:19.38 | karsten | linuxmigration: Might check what it is that the installer is doing. |
| 07:19.58 | enouf | kali_: I know what debian-multimedia.org is for :-) |
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| 07:20.06 | linuxmigration | enouf: i think discover is related to udev |
| 07:20.25 | linuxmigration | karsten: how would i check what the installer does? |
| 07:20.27 | enouf | linuxmigration: perhaps .. not sure ... a bit busy :0 |
| 07:20.44 | kali_ | enouf: didn't mean to imply that |
| 07:20.45 | enouf | kali_: do this please apt-cache policy udev |
| 07:20.46 | karsten | linuxmigration: Mount it and explore it, or ask someone who's worked on it. |
| 07:20.53 | karsten | linuxmigration: ... I'm trying the first tack myself. |
| 07:21.31 | linuxmigration | enouf: at least the deb pkg 'discover' is related to hw autoconfig |
| 07:21.33 | linuxmigration | karsten: ty |
| 07:21.34 | karsten | linuxmigration: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2006/20060315 |
| 07:21.45 | karsten | linuxmigration: base-config has been pensioned off: the installation is now done entirely before the reboot. Finally the entire Debian package installation process runs behind a user-friendly progress bar. |
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| 07:22.09 | karsten | y'know, I'm not sure a contex-free progress bar is friendly to _this_ user. |
| 07:22.18 | linuxmigration | so if i want access to the wizard later? |
| 07:22.28 | karsten | linuxmigration: Checking on that. |
| 07:22.28 | enouf | linuxmigration: I understand that -- just forgot what replaces "base-config" |
| 07:22.45 | OmnipotentEntity | *sigh* |
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| 07:22.50 | kali_ | enouf: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3990 is the outpuf of the policy command |
| 07:22.58 | linuxmigration | enouf: yup ;) |
| 07:22.59 | enouf | kali_: looking |
| 07:23.25 | linuxmigration | karsten: i'm in runlevel 3 atm. is it worth reading that news article? |
| 07:23.52 | karsten | linuxmigration: sure. Use a console-mode browser. w3m, links, elinks2, lynx |
| 07:23.54 | enouf | kali_: looks normal |
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| 07:24.06 | karsten | linuxmigration: RedHat I presume? |
| 07:24.51 | linuxmigration | karsten: etch. my problem would be copy/paste the url ;) |
| 07:25.11 | karsten | linuxmigration: aptitude install gpm w3m |
| 07:25.20 | karsten | linuxmigration: ... um. And maybe screen. Problem solved. |
| 07:25.38 | liable | Guerin: i like konsole (dont ask) have been down this road before but seem to be too retarded to get it to work, not that i really have a need for it anyway, other than silly characters |
| 07:25.42 | karsten | linuxmigration: Or google etch installer base-config site:debian.org and click the first link |
| 07:26.18 | Guerin | liable: well, I can't help your love of konsole, but I can give you a sane xresources file for urxvt |
| 07:26.28 | karsten | !beer Guerin |
| 07:26.48 | Guerin | hm, my email appears to be horribly fucked |
| 07:27.14 | kali_ | enouf: the udev.postinst script is failing on the restart of the udev daemon |
| 07:27.35 | kali_ | enouf: maybe this is why - the udev daemon is in an zombie state |
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| 07:27.55 | kali_ | enouf:root 2371 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z<s Sep29 0:00 [udevd] <defunct> |
| 07:28.10 | enouf | kali_: I'm noticing -- what I'm doing is looking/grepping that script now .. it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info called udev.postinst |
| 07:28.13 | Guerin | kali_: ooh, that ain't nice |
| 07:28.16 | Guerin | !zombie |
| 07:28.16 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 07:28.27 | liable | Guerin: i must be missing something, how will that help me? |
| 07:28.48 | Guerin | liable: well, it will make urxvt not freaking ugly, which is the only default problem I see with it |
| 07:29.07 | enouf | kali_: I want to say to reboot .. or restart .. or something ... just don't want you to come back all broken -- perhaps Boot into 'single' mode and proceed to try and fix freom there |
| 07:29.12 | Guerin | hm, well, the mail is all still on disk, just the clients aren't showing it up rightwise |
| 07:29.27 | enouf | kali_: pkill udev |
| 07:29.43 | liable | Guerin: right, let me try and get my head around this, then i'll get the file. |
| 07:29.49 | kali_ | enouf: trying |
| 07:29.55 | enouf | kali_: ptree to see who what'sthe parent if any |
| 07:30.12 | enouf | kill -9 2371 if you have issues |
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| 07:31.04 | enouf | kali_: kill the parent PID |
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| 07:31.36 | kali_ | enouf: kill did not work and I'm unable to go into single user mode as telinit 1 returns an error message - timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
| 07:32.13 | kali_ | enouf: I'm afraid that if I just cold boot the system, it is going to not boot up |
| 07:32.35 | enouf | kali_: I meant ... yeah .. hat's what i mean -- warm reboot into single |
| 07:32.38 | enouf | +t |
| 07:32.43 | kali_ | enouf: at this point though, it feels like I have tried everything |
| 07:33.14 | kali_ | enouf: ok, here goes ( keeping my fingers crossed ) |
| 07:33.17 | Guerin | liable: thanks |
| 07:33.28 | Guerin | you made me realise why my mail server is fux0red |
| 07:33.29 | enouf | kali_: almost .. sorry it |
| 07:33.36 | enouf | "pstree" |
| 07:33.40 | enouf | not ptree |
| 07:34.08 | liable | Guerin: no worries, cheques are accepted :) |
| 07:34.18 | karsten | Guerin: Why? |
| 07:34.20 | karsten | Guerin: Sheep? |
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| 07:34.38 | enouf | kali_: ? are you stilll there? try and kill all udev udevd stuff ... /etc/init.d/udev stop |
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| 07:36.07 | Guerin | because my disk was full |
| 07:36.18 | enouf | kali_: pstree -lunp |
| 07:36.43 | Guerin | because the bandwidth cap and excessive charges for traffic force me to exploit my server's unused 25G/month of bandwidth |
| 07:37.03 | tarzeau | mog: is your nickname an abbreviation? |
| 07:37.03 | karsten | Guerin: That should sort it. |
| 07:37.10 | karsten | tarzeau: Yeah. |
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| 07:37.14 | karsten | tarzeau: ... it's short for "mog" |
| 07:37.14 | enouf | I'm hungry .. |
| 07:37.42 | tarzeau | karsten: there's a game, mazeofgalious, whose binary is also mog :) |
| 07:38.17 | Guerin | karsten: deleting some excess shite fix0red it |
| 07:38.36 | kali_ | enouf: that did it |
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| 07:39.07 | kali_ | enouf: the udev package got updated and I'm not setting up the other packages |
| 07:39.10 | Guerin | liable: http://feayn.org/~lewis/xresources |
| 07:39.21 | liable | ta |
| 07:39.21 | kali_ | enouf: thank you for all your help. I really appreciate it |
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| 07:39.54 | Guerin | liable: edit to your needs and put in ~ with a . in front; run xrdb -merge ~/.xresources before urxvt and it will be so |
| 07:41.28 | karsten | qemu rocks. |
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| 07:42.06 | mog | tarzeau: mogs are in final fantsy. no speciffic accronym |
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| 07:42.56 | mog | tarzeau: why do you ask ? |
| 07:43.12 | tarzeau | mog: nothing special, just was curious |
| 07:43.16 | mog | ahh |
| 07:43.26 | kali_ | enouf: u an expert at X too? |
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| 07:44.03 | karsten | !u |
| 07:44.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 07:44.27 | linuxmigration | karsten: how about xen? |
| 07:44.42 | linuxmigration | karsten: i think it's tasksel |
| 07:45.05 | kali_ | I suspect that my X configuration is off. After I start X, the screen goes from color to grey |
| 07:45.18 | kali_ | as if I using the wrong resolution or depth |
| 07:46.01 | kali_ | the xorg.conf shows the right monitor and the right video card. any suggestions as to what I can try ? I tried different depths, from 24 to 16 and even 8 |
| 07:46.22 | linuxmigration | kali_: boot knoppix and copy the config |
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| 07:46.52 | liable | kali_: check the log and see if theres errors, but it sounds as though x is prolly starting ok |
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| 07:48.47 | kali_ | liable: no error messages in the X.org.log file The right devices are shown |
| 07:49.25 | liable | kali_: did you actually install a wm or desktop? |
| 07:49.34 | kali_ | linuxmigration: thanks for the suggestion. I will check out knoppix |
| 07:49.49 | enouf | kali_: might wanna touch /forcefsck |
| 07:49.53 | linuxmigration | kali_: sure. wfm ;) |
| 07:49.59 | kali_ | liable : yes, the system is configured to use xfce4. I see the same problem with gnome though |
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| 07:50.11 | litage | why might it always take exactly 16 seconds to ssh into a box on a local network? establishing the connection takes forever, but once the connection's up, it's speedy |
| 07:50.12 | karsten | linuxmigration: xen's good at what it does. Booting arbitrary images in clientspace isn't that. |
| 07:50.31 | karsten | linuxmigration: What's going on with XenSource and MSFT is also a tad concerning. |
| 07:50.43 | kali_ | enouf : I didn't get that . did you want me run an fsck on the / |
| 07:50.44 | linuxmigration | what is going on? |
| 07:50.47 | liable | litage: check with wireshark/ethereal or tcpdump |
| 07:51.11 | karsten | linuxmigration: Let's just say that XS's new Redmond office is 7 minutes from MSFT HQ. |
| 07:51.24 | karsten | linuxmigration: A number of MSFT folk in senior exec positions. |
| 07:51.25 | liable | litage: i would guess router |
| 07:51.52 | linuxmigration | karsten: google and mozilla are closer than that ;) |
| 07:51.55 | litage | liable: are you recommending tcpdump on the source or destination box, or both? |
| 07:51.56 | enouf | kali_: yes just a suggestion ..your call |
| 07:52.15 | liable | litage: source |
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| 07:52.57 | karsten | linuxmigration: Google *likes* linux |
| 07:53.02 | kali_ | enouf: will do. thanks |
| 07:53.24 | enouf | kali_: also start answering others .. I'm outta ideas :-) |
| 07:53.29 | karsten | linuxmigration: Did you read groklaw yesterday? MSFT/Baystar link? |
| 07:53.30 | linuxmigration | karsten: some say google is turning evil, though ;) i like google |
| 07:53.38 | linuxmigration | no |
| 07:53.42 | linuxmigration | what's baystar? |
| 07:53.47 | enouf | kali_: your welcome :-] ..no prob |
| 07:53.55 | karsten | linuxmigration: Oddly enough, MSFT hates Google too. |
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| 07:54.20 | karsten | linuxmigration: Company that pumped $50m into SCO for SCO's suits on IBM, RH, Novell, et al. |
| 07:54.46 | linuxmigration | arrgh baystar-- |
| 07:55.00 | karsten | linuxmigration: $50m seems to have come out of MSFT's petty cash drawer. |
| 07:55.14 | linuxmigration | heh |
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| 07:55.38 | liable | :( only moths in mine |
| 07:56.05 | linuxmigration | karsten: how's the debian xen pkg? should i build it from source? |
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| 07:56.34 | karsten | linuxmigration: last I heard, pretty good. Either way. |
| 07:57.26 | karsten | linuxmigration: Good news WRT Xen: the technology's definitely interesting, lots of folks other than XS working on it, it's got massive performance wins over other approaches. The real question is whether or not XS stays relevant. |
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| 07:58.34 | linuxmigration | karsten: ty. good night. |
| 07:58.40 | kali_ | enouf: thanks once again. good night |
| 07:58.54 | liable | how hard you reckon it would be to write a script for windows users that can poll the latest package list and download program x and its deps for the poor schmuks that need to do so to get there debian box up? |
| 07:59.09 | enouf | kali_: welcome ... the ' touch /forcefsck' will reboot and check the unmounted |
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| 07:59.45 | petemc | liable: whats an example of program x? |
| 07:59.45 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: there already is something like that for 2 debian systems. prolly pretty easy |
| 07:59.52 | enouf | AhrAsyL: meaning at boot time when its' supposed to (ion not yet mounted partitions/fs) |
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| 07:59.58 | liable | petemc: any program |
| 08:00.06 | enouf | AhrAsyL: sorry - I mean kali_ |
| 08:00.12 | liable | linuxmigrati|afk: for windows users |
| 08:00.14 | AhrAsyL | ^^ |
| 08:00.19 | enouf | :-) |
| 08:00.26 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: i got that ;) |
| 08:00.33 | petemc | liable: its largely kernel stuff that people lack.. |
| 08:00.45 | liable | linuxmigrati|afk: what programs |
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| 08:01.20 | liable | petemc: yeah, so kernel source and make or whatever, i just remember having to get source and make and wvdial et al when i first tried to convert over |
| 08:01.21 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: for 2 deb systems. one needs stuff, the other has internet |
| 08:01.40 | liable | linuxmigrati|afk: i am talking about a dual boot box |
| 08:01.50 | petemc | liable: there are plenty of existing options for installers with updated kernels |
| 08:02.10 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: i am talking about writing a request and the packages to removable media |
| 08:02.26 | liable | linuxmigrati|afk: so how does one do that? |
| 08:02.35 | liable | petemc: you miss my point i think |
| 08:02.39 | kali_ | enouf: thanks for that tip. didn't know about that. the fs is being checked as we speak |
| 08:02.40 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: there's a debian package that does that |
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| 08:02.53 | liable | linuxmigrati|afk: and how does that work on windows? |
| 08:02.54 | petemc | liable: explain it to me then |
| 08:02.54 | enouf | kali_: cool |
| 08:02.57 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: can't look now. need sleep. ttyl |
| 08:03.19 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: i didn't say it did. you were talking about writing a script |
| 08:03.39 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: it would prolly be pretty easy to write one for windows |
| 08:03.58 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: why not just boot knoppix to download? |
| 08:04.33 | linuxmigrati|afk | (i mean, one that interoperates with the deb pkg i was talking about) |
| 08:04.47 | liable | petemc: well, in my example, i needed headers, make and wvdial and its deps, which werent on cd1. so i had to boot, download, reboot, download blah blah untill i had all necessary stuff. i was just thinking that there isnt something that can look after it all for you |
| 08:05.03 | liable | linuxmigrati|afk: one common reason for this is no network support on linux |
| 08:05.35 | liable | basically like apt for windows.. |
| 08:05.37 | petemc | liable: why did you need that? how were you installing? |
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| 08:06.04 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: even under knoppix? that's hard to believe for version 4.0.2 (5.0.1 is missing the drivers for ipw2200) |
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| 08:07.06 | liable | petemc: well.. looong story. i was living in a remote area. had dowloaded cd1, and had at my hands a powerfull 14kb/s satelite dial up connection. i needed a modem driver and thus the hell of package dependancy hell began |
| 08:07.33 | liable | err, minus a heel |
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| 08:07.37 | liable | hell even |
| 08:07.56 | petemc | if you had been using a real modem... |
| 08:08.09 | liable | thats not the point |
| 08:08.28 | liable | its a laptop anyway, so blah whatever, its besides the point |
| 08:08.33 | petemc | whatever, have fun writing your script] |
| 08:09.16 | liable | nice to see some support for trying to make life easier for debian users... |
| 08:09.38 | petemc | you said it was for windows users |
| 08:09.56 | liable | once again you missed the fucking point. forget it |
| 08:10.58 | petemc | no need to get annoyed.. |
| 08:11.02 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: deb pkg apt-zip |
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| 08:11.46 | liable | linuxmigrati|afk: eh? |
| 08:12.08 | brownie17 | can someone help me? i just plugged in a portable hard drive and it's not appearing in computer |
| 08:12.10 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: apt-get install apt-zip |
| 08:12.33 | petemc | brownie17: dmesg |
| 08:12.38 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: then look at the files it produces in each direction. might be easy to cloen for windows |
| 08:12.54 | liable | i must have been very bad at explaining what my intentions/thoughts were. i seem to have not made a very good argument |
| 08:13.01 | linuxmigrati|afk | clone* |
| 08:13.29 | liable | linuxmigrati|afk: oh, your saying copy it over to windows. ya |
| 08:13.34 | aredhel | In etch, what is the proper way to let a normal user use a hotplugged joystick? |
| 08:13.57 | brownie17 | petemc, Vendor: Maxtor 6 Model: Y060L0 Rev: 0000 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00 |
| 08:13.58 | liable | i dont even have a windows box :) but it was just a pie in the sky thought that could be helpfull |
| 08:14.42 | petemc | brownie17: fdisk -l /dev/sda - dont paste the output here, read it |
| 08:15.15 | brownie17 | petemc, fdisk not found |
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| 08:15.30 | petemc | brownie17: as root |
| 08:17.21 | petemc | liable: apologies for beung dismissive - its first thing monday morning here |
| 08:17.31 | petemc | not in the best of form.. |
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| 08:17.50 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: in fact, according to the pkg description, it just generates a script for wget. |
| 08:18.01 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: which is of course available for windows |
| 08:18.09 | jngu1 | North Korea tested their nuke |
| 08:18.11 | jngu1 | oh crap? |
| 08:19.04 | liable | petemc: tis ok |
| 08:19.17 | karsten | jngu1: Yep. |
| 08:19.36 | jngu1 | oh nos? |
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| 08:19.43 | jngu1 | I don't even know what to say. |
| 08:19.43 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: i'm really going afk now ;) |
| 08:20.19 | brownie17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.25 | liable | linuxmigrati|afk: apt-zip depends on apt, but yeah, i was thinking of just something that wgets and parses packages file and then wgets neccesary packages |
| 08:20.59 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: so now we're back to knoppix again ;) |
| 08:21.05 | liable | no |
| 08:21.09 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: or even insert |
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| 08:21.25 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: for a working apt to gen the pkg list |
| 08:21.25 | brownie17 | petemc, got it. sorry |
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| 08:22.21 | brownie17 | how do i rename what 'computer' calls the disks?? |
| 08:22.33 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: bye for now. check out insert (another live cd) |
| 08:22.34 | liable | linuxmigrati|afk: the packages file is on the mirror, apt isnt needed at all |
| 08:22.55 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: you want to grab the entire repo? |
| 08:22.57 | liable | and its text, so it really shouldnt be that hard |
| 08:23.09 | liable | linuxmigrati|afk: um, no. nm |
| 08:23.35 | linuxmigrati|afk | liable: ttyl |
| 08:23.55 | liable | righto |
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| 08:24.54 | |ryan| | Does anyone know off hand where the debian net-installer images are? I always have an awful time finding them. |
| 08:25.16 | petemc | !d-i |ryan| |
| 08:25.17 | dpkg | |ryan|, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:26.16 | |ryan| | petemc: thanks. |
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| 08:26.26 | liable | ah sweet, that got updated |
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| 08:36.47 | roxy_ | which file should I touch to temporaly disable loggin from all user ? |
| 08:37.26 | liable | never heard of that magic file |
| 08:37.52 | roxy_ | liable: I had that question on my lpi test this morning :( |
| 08:38.36 | liable | roxy_: interested to know what it is when you find out |
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| 08:39.26 | roxy_ | liable: well, my way to find out was to come here and ask :-) |
| 08:39.58 | liable | roxy_: :) ask again when the smart folk are here i guess |
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| 08:40.34 | Makenai | I'm kind of confused about acpi powersavings on laptops. I'm using etch on a thinkpad x22 - I can load acpi_cpufreq or speedstep-smi but not both. Are they mutually exclusive? Is one better than the other for me? |
| 08:40.44 | iLLf8d | anyone know how to get the gnome cpu freq applet setup so normal users can throttle the cpu? |
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| 08:40.56 | Guerin | iLLf8d: #gnome irc.gnome.org |
| 08:41.04 | Guerin | iLLf8d: nothing to do with debian |
| 08:41.41 | liable | Makenai: i thought is was speedstep_centrino for intel processors? |
| 08:41.54 | iLLf8d | Guerin, its probably a debian groups issue |
| 08:42.07 | iLLf8d | Guerin I dunno which group governs the permissions to cpu throttling |
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| 08:42.17 | roxy_ | will debian stop using the word mozilla ? is gnuzilla available ? |
| 08:42.37 | Makenai | liable: Could be, but this is an old laptop, piii m - one of the walkthroughs used the smi module. Is it for multiprocessor or something? That's what it sounds like. |
| 08:42.41 | liable | iLLf8d: check your daemons docs |
| 08:42.47 | iLLf8d | its a /sys/power entry and listed as root.root but I'm in that group |
| 08:43.04 | liable | Makenai: unlikely, check thinkwiki.org |
| 08:43.29 | Makenai | liable: That's where I ran into speedstep-smi :) But it's down currently it looks like so I can't verify |
| 08:43.30 | Rhizome | iLLf8d: could always +s it ;) |
| 08:43.35 | liable | iLLf8d: that sdoesnt mean that the daemon cant allow other users |
| 08:43.37 | iLLf8d | liable, ah the debian package says the daemons aren't a dependency, and the package has no detail docs cause they're bundled into the gnome-applet docs entry |
| 08:43.41 | tralala | iLLf8d: you don't want to put an user in the group "root" unless this user is intended to be an administrator of the machine |
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| 08:43.59 | derek[] | Hi |
| 08:44.04 | derek[] | Anyone using bluetooth? |
| 08:44.06 | iLLf8d | liable, did you get a daemon working with it and if so which one? |
| 08:44.26 | liable | Makenai: theres a #ibm-thinpad channel, but prolly the list is the best bet |
| 08:44.26 | iLLf8d | tralala, yeah they are |
| 08:44.32 | tralala | derek[]: don't ask "anyone" questions. Just go ahed with the actual question |
| 08:44.44 | fluxdude | anybody know of a good throughput test to do between linux machines to see what the real throughput is? I used to know of one in perl but i've forgotten it's name.... |
| 08:44.55 | derek[] | tralala, why? |
| 08:45.02 | liable | iLLf8d: i use either conservative or ondemand governors, neither of which use a daemon |
| 08:45.06 | tralala | !anyone use |
| 08:45.07 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 08:45.17 | derek[] | I want to talk to someone who is actually using bluetooth |
| 08:45.20 | tralala | derek[]: that's why ^^ |
| 08:45.20 | Makenai | liable: Thanks - will check. Should acpi_cpufreq and the speedstep module be mutually exclusive normally though? I get a 'device busy' error if one and the other are loaded. |
| 08:45.20 | iLLf8d | liable, and can you changem as a normal user? |
| 08:45.47 | tralala | !tell derek[] -about ask |
| 08:45.47 | Raimi | Makenai: yes, they are |
| 08:45.52 | liable | iLLf8d: they are self governing, set to use lowest power until needed |
| 08:46.11 | iLLf8d | oh yeah I forgot about that ones lowest and other on demand |
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| 08:46.24 | iLLf8d | seems like a good solution |
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| 08:46.37 | liable | Makenai: i dont know actually. the kernel generally knows best, if you have kernel source, read the docs for the modules |
| 08:46.56 | roxy_ | where can I read an article on the debian/mozilla story ? |
| 08:47.14 | liable | !iceweasel |
| 08:47.15 | dpkg | well, iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 08:47.28 | Makenai | Raimi: Thanks. I get the impression that speedstep is more advanced / specialised? |
| 08:47.32 | tralala | roxy_: read the bug report ^^ |
| 08:47.39 | Makenai | roxy_: lwn.net had a couple of articles |
| 08:47.46 | peterS | roxy_: there are a few news articles about it, but most of them get the details wrong |
| 08:47.48 | roxy_ | tralalalalère: thanks |
| 08:47.53 | Makenai | liable: Well noted - will do |
| 08:48.06 | iLLf8d | liable, do you notice any differences at the commandline running under ondemand? |
| 08:48.09 | Raimi | Makenai: it's two interfaces for the same technology - acpi is the unified view on all the different impl. - speedstep is intel-only |
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| 08:48.28 | peterS | roxy_: internetnews.com had the distinction of running _two_ articles about the issue which _both_ got the same important detail wrong. that was hot. |
| 08:49.14 | liable | iLLf8d: nope. i use conservative atm, but used to use ondemand, it just does it, and i have no need to worry about it. though i think that you may be able to get slightly lower speeds with the daemons, but i am not sure |
| 08:49.44 | iLLf8d | liable, yeah iirc the ondemand says it doesn't drop it back down to a low level as quickly when it finishes an on demand operation |
| 08:50.30 | karsten | Any good suggestions for software to determine similarity of texts? |
| 08:50.36 | liable | iLLf8d: oh, it drops back quick enough, its just the clockspeed i thought may be able to be lower with a daemon controlled module |
| 08:50.39 | derek[] | Where can I find out the the contents in the first Debian CD? |
| 08:51.01 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 08:51.55 | liable | iLLf8d: btw i think the conservative one is slightly more advanced in that respect, but google, and see what you can find |
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| 08:52.35 | iLLf8d | hrm what I read I might have read from the .config docs I can't recall it was a week or 2 ago |
| 08:56.53 | liable | Makenai: hrm, actually iirc the acpi_cpufreq is deprecated? i think menuconfig mentions it |
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| 08:57.51 | Makenai | liable: Not sure, testing both modules now. So far acpi_cpufreq brings the laptop up in 533 (of 800) mhz whether or not it's plugged in or not for some reason |
| 08:58.45 | liable | Makenai: acpi logs may be worth a look too |
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| 08:58.59 | deeb71 | Hi |
| 08:59.19 | deeb71 | How does a porter handle a rebuild? |
| 08:59.39 | Guerin | deeb71: normally just takes it to the car like any other piece of baggage |
| 09:00.41 | deeb71 | ? |
| 09:00.53 | Guerin | !confuse deeb71 |
| 09:00.53 | dpkg | No, what is your snake today, deeb71? breeches of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra ham |
| 09:01.16 | azeem | Guerin: stop that, please |
| 09:01.28 | liable | heh, i was thinking of a luggage joke myself |
| 09:01.35 | Guerin | azeem: it's my subtle way of pointing out that the question is fucking useless |
| 09:01.46 | azeem | Guerin: the question is totally valid, you just didn't understand it |
| 09:01.53 | fireba11 | Guerin: veeeery subtle ^^ |
| 09:01.54 | azeem | deeb71: they do binNMUs |
| 09:01.55 | Guerin | no, I did understand it |
| 09:02.05 | Guerin | I just don't know what specifically he wants to know |
| 09:02.18 | deeb71 | azeem: and sbuild ? |
| 09:02.18 | azeem | deeb71: and/or communicate with the respective buildd admin to schedule a rebuild |
| 09:02.25 | azeem | deeb71: yeah, through sbuild usually |
| 09:02.34 | azeem | Guerin: then your answer was fucking useles |
| 09:02.34 | azeem | s |
| 09:02.48 | Guerin | azeem: I certainly don't disagree there |
| 09:02.54 | liable | touche |
| 09:02.58 | azeem | and the second line was plain stupid |
| 09:02.58 | Guerin | the difference being that mine was *intended* as such |
| 09:04.00 | azeem | dunno |
| 09:04.07 | Guerin | except for the times when I actually do help people |
| 09:04.09 | Guerin | rather a lot |
| 09:04.10 | azeem | deeb71: anything else you need to know? |
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| 09:04.24 | azeem | Guerin: that's why I was so dissapointed by that troll attempt |
| 09:04.42 | azeem | I thought you would at least ask for a more specific question on the second attempt |
| 09:04.52 | azeem | instead of invoking random abusive factoids |
| 09:04.54 | Guerin | i was getting there |
| 09:05.01 | deeb71 | azeem: no, thank you very much |
| 09:05.15 | azeem | cheers |
| 09:05.40 | azeem | deeb71: sbuild has a --binNMU option |
| 09:06.08 | liable | confuse isnt really an abusive factoid |
| 09:06.15 | azeem | deeb71: of course, usually the buildd uploads the .debs for that architecture semi-automatically, unless something goes wrong |
| 09:06.26 | liable | not that i want to get involved in this conversation |
| 09:06.35 | azeem | liable: it's totally inappropriate to use on somebody who joined two minutes ago |
| 09:06.42 | azeem | IMHO, anyway |
| 09:07.03 | Guerin | it's clearly meant in fun |
| 09:07.39 | azeem | if the initial question would have been clearly off-topic, I wouldn't say anything |
| 09:07.53 | azeem | but it was a valid question, maybe somewhat too broad |
| 09:08.00 | azeem | but there are far worse asked around here |
| 09:08.08 | Guerin | yeah, fair enough |
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| 09:13.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:13.53 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:14.11 | Makenai | Hm, I think I was getting confused by having powernowd running. Things seem a lot more predictable now with the whole acpi thing. :) |
| 09:14.20 | SpComb | !popcorn |
| 09:14.45 | petemc | well, thanks |
| 09:14.57 | petemc | i feel special |
| 09:15.24 | williamh | hi all. I am trying to install PHP5 and apache2 on Sid for a client. I get message libapache2-mod-php5: Depends: apache2-mpm-prefork (> 2.0.52) but it is not going to be installed any pointers on getting PHP sorted? |
| 09:15.57 | liable | williamh: yeah, pick sane clients that run stable on there servers :P |
| 09:16.34 | liable | s/there/their/ |
| 09:16.40 | liable | williamh: but if you must, check apache2 bug reports |
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| 09:17.21 | williamh | liable yeah tried that they want some other software and gets messy using backports.. it may be my best option though |
| 09:17.35 | williamh | cheers |
| 09:17.53 | liable | williamh: its been a bit b0rked in the last few days |
| 09:18.16 | williamh | ok.. any way to grab a bit of an older package? |
| 09:18.41 | liable | snapshot.debian.net |
| 09:18.56 | williamh | thats one I did not know about thanks |
| 09:18.57 | petemc | apache2 and php5 backports for fine on a number of machines here |
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| 09:19.42 | CAiRO | is apt-listbugs broken? |
| 09:19.58 | liable | not for me, but yes for you? |
| 09:20.32 | CAiRO | yes, dpkg returns a sub-process error when apt-listbugs is installed and i try to upgrade other packages |
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| 09:22.22 | Makenai | Hm.. so now I'm up to acpi mystery #2. When I come out of acpi hybernation (echo mem > /sys/power/state) I lose sound and my wireless network. Is the convention to usually just unload and reload all the stuff during sleep? |
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| 09:24.00 | langner | hi everyone - I was wondering if someone could help me out: when I run an application (gentoo, the file manager) from xterm it uses the gtk fonts I provide in ~/.gtkrc, but when I run it using the menu in windowmaker, it resorts to the default font... any idea why? can it have something to do with the font cache? |
| 09:24.33 | liable | Makenai: get the hibernate package and unload or restart whatver you need during sleep/hibernate |
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| 09:26.29 | Makenai | liable: Will try that. Currently, I'm just using /etc/acpi/events scripts - this method is better? |
| 09:26.41 | peterS | langner: just a wild guess - perhaps $HOME or $USER or $LOGNAME is not set in windowmaker but is set by the time xterm spawns a shell? |
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| 09:27.15 | langner | peterS: more or less what I think, how do I set those in windowmaker? |
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| 09:27.34 | peterS | langner: you set them in whatever launches windowmaker. like ~/.xsession or whatever. if that is indeed the cause of your problem |
| 09:27.50 | liable | Makenai: yeah, various hardware needs different hacks. you can experiment with unloading modules and services untill your laptop suspends and wakes up cleanly |
| 09:29.17 | liable | Makenai: linux-laptop.net is a good sit and also tuxmobil.org |
| 09:29.21 | Makenai | liable: Cool. Thanks again. How about for hotplug devices? Since those aren't always there, is there any way to tell debian to unload and reload all hotplug stuff? |
| 09:29.23 | liable | site |
| 09:29.47 | Makenai | Hadn't seen those, but going to check them out now. I definitely have a load to learn :) |
| 09:30.10 | liable | Makenai: depends on your wm/desktop, gnome handles it well, kde not so much and ivman is generic |
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| 09:31.03 | langner | peterS: that's not it, I set $HOME... |
| 09:31.31 | peterS | langner: using shell environment variable syntax? "export HOME=..."? |
| 09:31.41 | langner | yeah |
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| 09:32.06 | liable | Makenai: getting all the laptop stuff working is a good challenge in debian. but quite satisfying when you get it sorted (until the packages or kernel change and fuck it all up for you :) |
| 09:32.40 | langner | peterS: it's really bugging me, the fonts are freakishly big, and before it worked... can it be something with my font cache or something? |
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| 09:33.05 | ThomasPorter | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.06 | peterS | langner: well, I'm not a gentoo user, or for that matter that much of a gui user at all, so I don't know what else would cause that |
| 09:33.32 | Makenai | liable: Hm, currently I'm using either nothing or wmii-2. The main thing is with my wireless network card - the interface goes down and doesn't come back up until I eject / reinsert it. I thought I saw some option to reload all interfaces that were set to auto, but my pcmcia card is set to allow-hotplug |
| 09:34.15 | Makenai | I'm sure I can figure out a way of getting around it with some creative bash scripting or something, but maybe there's an easier way, heh |
| 09:34.15 | roxy_ | Guerin, azeem, peterS : (I am looking for linux guru) What file in /etc should I touch to disallow temporaly loggin by user ? |
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| 09:34.32 | peterS | roxy_: /etc/nologin |
| 09:34.44 | roxy_ | peterS: thanks, you win :-) |
| 09:34.46 | liable | Makenai: hibernate conf has a section for networking, but i havent ever used it with a pcmcia card, but i dont see why it couldnt cope |
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| 09:34.58 | azeem | roxy_: ask the chan, don't highlight people |
| 09:35.19 | peterS | roxy_: that is, if you have pam_nologin set in /etc/pam.d/login and friends. that is what checks for this |
| 09:35.37 | langner | peterS: thx anyway :) |
| 09:35.51 | liable | i told him to ask smart people, feel priviladged you were included :) |
| 09:36.15 | Makenai | liable: Cool - thanks. Perusing the docs for that now |
| 09:36.16 | roxy_ | azeem: sorry |
| 09:36.33 | peterS | liable: doesn't mean he should ask specific people. particularly those of us who always look in when we get highlighted as it's often a request for operator action |
| 09:36.59 | liable | peterS: sure |
| 09:37.22 | peterS | hmmm, I should change the highlight color for operator requests, so I can tell the difference |
| 09:37.23 | liable | peterS: but he got his answer |
| 09:37.42 | liable | not the point |
| 09:37.53 | azeem | liable: right, but if this becomes fashionable, we might just start to ignore highlights |
| 09:38.17 | liable | azeem: you would not :P |
| 09:38.42 | peterS | liable: nah, we'll just start ignoring ones from _you_ (: |
| 09:38.59 | roxy_ | That would be the first time I start a trend :-) |
| 09:39.39 | liable | peterS: dont worry, i already know who to corner for whatever problem i have :) |
| 09:40.27 | liable | unfortunately, i rarely get answers to my problems here anyway :( |
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| 09:42.07 | liable | azeem: since when are debianites concerned with fashion :) |
| 09:42.08 | smartbhai | hello people im planning to purchase amdx2 machine , does sarge have any issues with it, just checking :) |
| 09:42.27 | evilmnky | liable: maybe you should read the manual ;) |
| 09:42.52 | liable | evilmnky: the fashion manual? |
| 09:43.24 | azeem | liable: cf. helix |
| 09:43.49 | liable | evilmnky: i have a perfectly good mullet and singlet, thank you very much |
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| 09:44.10 | evilmnky | liable: if you cant even figure out the manual you need, you have bigger problems =) |
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| 09:44.20 | liable | azeem: *whoosh* i dont get that comment |
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| 09:45.30 | liable | azeem: referring to helix the person? |
| 09:45.37 | MarcoPau | hello, which version of linux-image-2.6.18 do I better install on an AMD Athlon 64? |
| 09:45.41 | karsten | liable: helix is a former op / regular. |
| 09:45.48 | liable | if so, well.. of course, shes a woman |
| 09:45.49 | azeem | this is left as an exercise to the reader ;) |
| 09:46.03 | azeem | karsten: I read that as /. |
| 09:46.10 | azeem | regular, even |
| 09:46.32 | karsten | azeem: Heh. |
| 09:46.37 | azeem | !seen helix |
| 09:46.38 | dpkg | helix <~e@amnesiac.heapspace.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 1d 1h 40m 11s ago, saying: 'I must get the word out'. |
| 09:46.38 | liable | karsten: ya, i just wasnt sure of the original context |
| 09:46.47 | azeem | bah, that's unspecific |
| 09:47.35 | liable | azeem: the cf threw me, whats it? |
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| 09:48.13 | zl2tod | MarcoPau, the k7 version should do the trick |
| 09:48.14 | karsten | liable: see for example / see also. |
| 09:48.22 | liable | ah |
| 09:48.27 | karsten | liable: From "confer" |
| 09:48.32 | MarcoPau | zl2tod: even if it's a k8? |
| 09:48.40 | peterS | azeem: indeed, it should mention that that's over on irc.debian.org |
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| 09:50.35 | _Gnea_ | dude, did anyone notice that just now? |
| 09:50.50 | liable | omfg, no, what? |
| 09:50.54 | karsten | _Gnea_: ? |
| 09:51.11 | azeem | _Gnea_ sensed a disturbance in the force |
| 09:51.12 | faust_ | huh? |
| 09:51.27 | _Gnea_ | i think Level3 took a massive core dump for awhile |
| 09:51.32 | faust_ | The sound of a thousand kernel hackers crying out in agony? |
| 09:51.36 | _Gnea_ | heh |
| 09:51.43 | _Gnea_ | something like that |
| 09:51.45 | dlynch | is anyone using iptables logger? I have the pages setup but can't see any data |
| 09:52.09 | liable | klogd? |
| 09:52.35 | dlynch | or can anyone else suggest a package to view the dropped packets and such? |
| 09:52.42 | karsten | _Gnea_: Seems OK: http://www.internetpulse.net/ http://www.internettrafficreport.com/ |
| 09:52.45 | zl2tod | MarcoPau, seen https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html ? |
| 09:52.52 | dlynch | preferable web based |
| 09:53.34 | _Gnea_ | karsten: yeah, i couldn't hit a thing other than streaming audio and irc for awhile |
| 09:54.18 | Guerin | _Gnea_: it's the norkies. The broke teh intarwebs with their nuke. |
| 09:54.49 | Guerin | _Gnea_: when I lived in Korea, we were warned that the first sign of an attack by them norkies would be that communications would die |
| 09:55.11 | Guerin | this had me quite scared for a month or so, until I reliased that intermittent outages are part of normal korean life |
| 09:55.12 | _Gnea_ | Guerin: well shit.... |
| 09:55.22 | _Gnea_ | heh |
| 09:55.42 | _Gnea_ | just like how they got the states on the ball with 9/11 scare tactics |
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| 09:56.11 | zl2tod | dlynch, I use the logcheck package for after the fact monitoring and 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' for real time monitoring (sorry, neither are gui) |
| 09:56.43 | holycow | g'moanin debianistas |
| 09:56.49 | holycow | (tm) |
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| 09:57.43 | liable | beer seem to have a liking for my keyboard. even when i put my hand over the can when i open it, theres a drop or two that makes a run for freedom and mingles with my keyboard |
| 09:57.46 | dlynch | zl2tod: thanks :) |
| 09:58.06 | blondie | liable: don't drink such disgusting things ;) |
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| 09:58.28 | _Gnea_ | liable: you need to tap the tyop of the can for awhioe with your finger before opening it... damn, didn't your mom teach you anything? ;) |
| 09:58.31 | liable | blondie: not negotiable, i need a better solution :P |
| 09:58.36 | _Gnea_ | *awhile |
| 09:58.43 | Guerin | beer is not disgusting! |
| 09:58.45 | liable | _Gnea_: urban myth |
| 09:58.50 | _Gnea_ | lol |
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| 09:59.49 | holycow | liable, eh |
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| 10:00.25 | holycow | when i was a baby i was fed beer in a baby bottle instead of milk |
| 10:00.33 | holycow | as a result i've had a pot belly all my life |
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| 10:00.44 | liable | thats, um, child abuse! |
| 10:00.52 | holycow | well i didn't think so |
| 10:00.52 | zl2tod | internettrafficreport is still dodge after all these years ... the numbers on the map don't match the numbers in the table |
| 10:00.55 | holycow | >_> |
| 10:00.59 | liable | well, i am sure *I* wouldnt mind |
| 10:01.06 | holycow | :) |
| 10:01.07 | liable | but.. |
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| 10:02.11 | manni18 | TZ › |
| 10:02.12 | manni18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.12 | manni18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.12 | liable | holycow: thats gotta be the worst excuse evar for being a fat bastard :P |
| 10:02.17 | manni18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.17 | manni18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.17 | manni18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.17 | manni18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.17 | manni18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.22 | liable | azeem: ?? |
| 10:02.24 | manni18 | âŠâŽºâ”‚▒┼@┌⎺âŒâ–’┌â¤0⎼⎽├:·$ |
| 10:02.25 | holycow | liable, lol! |
| 10:02.26 | manni18 | whats that? |
| 10:02.28 | manni18 | i got that on my terminal |
| 10:02.30 | manni18 | and i cant read it anymore |
| 10:02.34 | manni18 | how to fix?? |
| 10:02.38 | holycow | close terminal and re-open |
| 10:02.44 | holycow | also don't fucking paste like that in here |
| 10:02.45 | holycow | jesus |
| 10:02.49 | manni18 | mh |
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| 10:02.50 | liable | manni18: dude, for a start, dont fucking paste it in the channel |
| 10:02.51 | manni18 | okay |
| 10:02.57 | manni18 | im new here |
| 10:02.58 | manni18 | sorry |
| 10:02.59 | zl2tod | manni18 ctrl/d perhaps |
| 10:03.00 | manni18 | first time |
| 10:03.28 | zl2tod | otoh you may be viewing something that isn't text |
| 10:03.36 | azeem | manni18: please enter your real name as ircname |
| 10:03.47 | manni18 | i did |
| 10:03.49 | manni18 | ?? |
| 10:03.50 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 10:03.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@i577BD74E.versanet.de] by azeem |
| 10:03.51 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 10:03.53 | _Gnea_ | manni18: that's no excuse, just don't do it again, please. |
| 10:03.59 | azeem | manni18: then you're the troll from yesterday |
| 10:04.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:04.08 | liable | hah, busted |
| 10:04.13 | _Gnea_ | !beer azeem |
| 10:04.14 | Guerin | hey, there could be two Angela Merkeln |
| 10:04.29 | _Gnea_ | who's angela merkeln? *hits up google* |
| 10:04.29 | liable | Guerin: twins! |
| 10:04.30 | azeem | Guerin: they're both in #Chaostreffpunkt |
| 10:04.31 | zl2tod | that'd be two handsful for George |
| 10:04.44 | azeem | _Gnea_: german chancellorette |
| 10:04.52 | holycow | why does treffpunkt sound familiar? |
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| 10:04.59 | holycow | damned tabs |
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| 10:05.09 | Guerin | liable: they'd be called differently if they were twins, yo. |
| 10:05.14 | _Gnea_ | oh god.... |
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| 10:05.21 | liable | Guerin: not in my mind :) |
| 10:05.27 | Guerin | hehe, chancellorette |
| 10:06.20 | Guerin | in english it'd be rude to feminise a masculine title nowadays, but I suppose that since german has gendered titles and nouns, it makes sense |
| 10:06.51 | _Gnea_ | azeem: i think i'm gonna be sick |
| 10:06.59 | zl2tod | very small very local earthquake or NZ just set us up the bomb |
| 10:07.30 | holycow | oh so that was you guys! |
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| 10:07.37 | liable | _Gnea_: cant you lose the _ ?? please kthxbye |
| 10:07.48 | Guerin | zl2tod: don't be silly, we have no bombs! |
| 10:07.58 | Guerin | we don't even have a strike-capable air force! |
| 10:07.58 | azeem | liable: irssi tab-completes correctly |
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| 10:08.06 | holycow | nz is da bomb! |
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| 10:08.14 | liable | azeem: yeah, but i gotta hit shift+- |
| 10:08.24 | azeem | I hit G<tab> |
| 10:08.24 | Guerin | liable: nope |
| 10:08.30 | cpop | anybody else had problems with /var/run/samba/*.tdb files dissapearing on testing? |
| 10:08.41 | _Gnea_ | heh |
| 10:08.44 | liable | no |
| 10:08.45 | vorsprung | i saw nz on "drop in TV" you will deliver the bomb by full sus MTB |
| 10:09.05 | cpop | they dissapear every once in a while and ofc samba crashes |
| 10:09.20 | cpop | actually, I get a couple of smbd processes hanging |
| 10:09.24 | _Gnea_ | yeah, if i could remember my fucking password |
| 10:09.47 | liable | irssi does *not* nicktab leading _ without the _ |
| 10:09.52 | azeem | liable: it does |
| 10:09.58 | liable | well, for me.. |
| 10:09.59 | Guerin | liable: mine does |
| 10:10.02 | azeem | liable: he highlighted me, so it was easier |
| 10:10.02 | liable | azeem: tell me! |
| 10:10.04 | _Gnea_ | interesting |
| 10:10.07 | azeem | liable: try gn<tab> |
| 10:10.10 | Guerin | liable: there's a config key, like exactnick or something |
| 10:10.18 | azeem | well, works for me |
| 10:10.22 | _Gnea_ | yeah, gn<tab>'ll do it |
| 10:10.32 | azeem | _Gnea_: . |
| 10:10.34 | liable | azeem: true, gn does, but thats just as bad as shift_ |
| 10:10.35 | azeem | hrm |
| 10:10.46 | azeem | liable: g<tab> isn't very specific eigher |
| 10:10.48 | azeem | either |
| 10:10.53 | liable | i am lazy, i want one key tab! |
| 10:10.59 | _Gnea_ | well, tough rocks for now :P |
| 10:11.05 | liable | azeem: it works for me 99% of the time |
| 10:11.17 | _Gnea_ | besides, Guerin is here so you have to type two keys anyway |
| 10:11.19 | Guerin | liable: doesn't work for me 99% of the time |
| 10:11.30 | azeem | right, not specific due to Guerin, I meant |
| 10:11.35 | liable | Guerin: irssi must hate you |
| 10:11.50 | karsten | azeem: Dude, you just banned the Chancelor. |
| 10:11.54 | Avochelm | i'm trying to pin mysql-server-5.0 from testing branch on stable and apt-get keeps trying to remove the kernel image! wtf?! |
| 10:12.06 | azeem | we should assign free first letters to regulars |
| 10:12.06 | liable | well, tab tab is easier than shift tab |
| 10:12.12 | azeem | _Gnea_: you could be yGnea |
| 10:12.14 | _Gnea_ | Avochelm: you don't wanna do that. use backports with stable |
| 10:12.18 | _Gnea_ | !backports |
| 10:12.18 | dpkg | from memory, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 10:12.56 | azeem | but I agree, irssi should select _Gnea_ on g<tab><tab> |
| 10:12.58 | Avochelm | okay... that doesn't make any sense - i thought you could pin from testing.. |
| 10:13.21 | azeem | Avochelm: you can technically, but it is not recommended |
| 10:13.26 | Avochelm | hmm okay |
| 10:13.30 | azeem | if a backport exists, that is the superior solution |
| 10:13.31 | _Gnea_ | Avochelm: it makes perfect sense - you can't use testing packages with stable (most of the time) and for good reason - that's why there's backports so that they are 'stable' |
| 10:13.34 | Avochelm | alright |
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| 10:13.54 | _Gnea_ | and iirc, mysql 5.0 is in backports |
| 10:14.06 | liable | Guerin: use knosole instead of your silly xterm, it must be what makes it work for me.. :P |
| 10:14.09 | Avochelm | yeap it would be pretty popular |
| 10:14.16 | Avochelm | cheers |
| 10:14.21 | _Gnea_ | good luck |
| 10:14.34 | Guerin | liable: i use no xterm! |
| 10:15.04 | liable | of course you do |
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| 10:16.23 | liable | bah, its hard to bait people these days.. :) |
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| 10:17.27 | damian | why are debian people so fanatical about keeping everything free |
| 10:18.07 | liable | damian: its just part of the guidlines. if you dont like it, just use another distro |
| 10:18.14 | liable | no biggy |
| 10:18.29 | liable | its what it has based itself on.. |
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| 10:18.41 | holycow | damian, well see if it wasn't free it wouldn't be debian |
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| 10:18.46 | holycow | its a self explanatory question |
| 10:18.57 | holycow | if it wasn't debian it would be suse, or redhat or some other junk |
| 10:19.10 | zl2tod | besides, we're all commies !@# |
| 10:19.15 | holycow | ultimately its called choice, choose debian or choose something else |
| 10:19.33 | holycow | lol @ zl2tod |
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| 10:19.57 | holycow | damian, in practicality the funny thing about freedom is, its a binary state |
| 10:19.59 | tarzeau | gna http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2006/10/gif00001.gif |
| 10:20.02 | holycow | you are either free or you are not |
| 10:20.04 | liable | damian: its certainly not what you would define as fanatical |
| 10:20.14 | tarzeau | damian: because it's important? |
| 10:20.21 | holycow | consider debians love for freedome insurance against the future |
| 10:20.35 | holycow | a future where its so damned easy to bargain away your freedom |
| 10:20.41 | liable | damian: it just, is |
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| 10:20.56 | _Gnea_ | damian: what's wrong with it? |
| 10:21.10 | damian | christ |
| 10:21.21 | damian | I ask one question and get 3030 responses |
| 10:21.30 | _Gnea_ | what did you expect? |
| 10:21.31 | zl2tod | still waiting for that free beer but |
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| 10:21.35 | Braindead | damian: 42 |
| 10:21.45 | damian | Braindead: you actually counted? |
| 10:21.55 | Braindead | no,42 is the answer. I just came in |
| 10:21.57 | liable | you obviously didnt |
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| 10:22.19 | holycow | damian, thats bad? |
| 10:22.28 | _Gnea_ | damian: again, what's wrong with keeping debian free? |
| 10:22.36 | holycow | would you preffer if we put you on ignore? |
| 10:23.11 | liable | i think dabian has trolled here before |
| 10:23.38 | _Gnea_ | liable: i've seen a lot of trolls from souther cali lately, here and elsewhere |
| 10:24.24 | liable | well, i would respond to that comment if i could nicktab *easily* |
| 10:24.30 | damian | _Gnea_: what's wrong is that debian people are so fascist about it |
| 10:24.32 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 10:24.45 | _Gnea_ | this one girl that's part of some church function came into my store tonight and stole the pen... i'm willing to bet her justification would be "god has a purpose for that...." talk about disrespect |
| 10:24.53 | holycow | damian, well the thing about fascism is that it is FORCED on people |
| 10:24.58 | holycow | no one forces you to use debian |
| 10:25.02 | holycow | if you don't like it vamoose |
| 10:25.04 | holycow | scram |
| 10:25.06 | holycow | capish? |
| 10:25.06 | _Gnea_ | damian: pull your head out of your ass for a second and consider where you're coming from. |
| 10:25.15 | holycow | *ew* |
| 10:25.20 | liable | oh dear, lets not go the church or republican route :P |
| 10:25.25 | holycow | _Gnea_, thats wicked on a few levels :) |
| 10:25.26 | holycow | hehe |
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| 10:26.02 | _Gnea_ | damian: if you're going to bother stating something, then be prepared to debate it. otherwise, you're argument is baseless and you are nothing but a troll that nobody likes nor wants. |
| 10:26.12 | liable | damian: tis a silly question to ask. why dont you ask your local parish why they think god is so good? |
| 10:26.26 | holycow | well said |
| 10:27.04 | Guerin | damian: debian can do what it likes. If you want to make some non-free stuff for debian, please do. |
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| 10:27.28 | holycow | heh |
| 10:27.40 | holycow | i just like yanking the chain of stupid people asking stupid questions |
| 10:27.44 | Guerin | damian: but to answer your question: because that's the best way, in the considered opinion of the thousand or so developers who make the decisions |
| 10:27.46 | holycow | this certainly ranks up there |
| 10:28.04 | karsten | damian: There's a pragmatic argument as well. Debian is a non-profit organization, based on the efforts of volunteers and organizations which contribute resources, as well as loose affiliates who mirror content. |
| 10:28.33 | karsten | damian: Much of this would break down if the project were to consider distributing software that didn't meet the terms of the DFSG (/msg dpkg for that). |
| 10:28.34 | holycow | i don't think he was actually expecting an answer :) |
| 10:28.44 | damian | Guerin: because debian people are so fascist about keeping everything free they come off as complete assholes, like you |
| 10:28.58 | holycow | damian, no, we jus tlike to bitch slap retards |
| 10:29.01 | _Gnea_ | ~troll damian |
| 10:29.04 | apt | ACTION hereby declares damian a troll |
| 10:29.07 | holycow | you are free to not use it |
| 10:29.08 | Guerin | damian: how can you be fascist about keeping things free? |
| 10:29.13 | Braindead | I bet next thing he's gonna say is "yo momma" |
| 10:29.15 | karsten | damian: Poprietary / commercial distros can accept non-free software because they've got a business structure to deal with it. Debian doesn't have this. |
| 10:29.18 | Guerin | damian: don't you reliase fascism is about LIMITING freedom? |
| 10:29.21 | damian | _Gnea_: you're the one who insulted me first, you're just as much a troll as any troll |
| 10:29.22 | holycow | Guerin, well you know, freedom is fascism, right? |
| 10:29.30 | Guerin | holycow: is war peace? |
| 10:29.32 | _Gnea_ | damian: you are in the wrong. |
| 10:29.32 | holycow | damian, i beg to differ |
| 10:29.51 | holycow | damian, non free = fascism, freedom = freedom, damian = retard |
| 10:29.52 | Guerin | ~fuck damian |
| 10:29.54 | tralala | *plonk* |
| 10:29.54 | _Gnea_ | damian: you came in here and called me a facist. |
| 10:29.59 | holycow | you can't possibly be asking such a stupid question? |
| 10:30.00 | Guerin | @fuck damian |
| 10:30.01 | damian | _Gnea_: I distinctly remember you telling me to pull my head out of my ass, that was incredibly insulting |
| 10:30.03 | karsten | damian: Suggest you modify your tone if you expect any serious discussion. |
| 10:30.10 | karsten | Guerin: Enough. |
| 10:30.22 | _Gnea_ | damian: you, sir, are an uneducated idiot. |
| 10:30.24 | holycow | damian, what did you expect? |
| 10:30.25 | holycow | lol |
| 10:30.28 | Guerin | damian: don't play offended, you came and called debian fascist. You take your lumps. |
| 10:30.34 | karsten | Guerin: Enough already. |
| 10:30.35 | damian | ravenbird: what the hell is wrong with you |
| 10:30.37 | azeem | _Gnea_: please /ignore |
| 10:30.38 | ravenbird | damian: what are you talking about? |
| 10:30.39 | azeem | thanks |
| 10:30.44 | _Gnea_ | :) |
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| 10:30.55 | holycow | damian, well we know what is wrong with you |
| 10:30.57 | tralala | stop feeding the troll already, will you? |
| 10:31.00 | holycow | is it time for a ban on a troll? |
| 10:31.02 | holycow | yes i think it is |
| 10:31.06 | holycow | who holds the keys around here? |
| 10:31.11 | damian | BUSH IS A NAZI |
| 10:31.13 | karsten | holycow: Self restraint first, eh? |
| 10:31.16 | Entheogen | guys, how can I apply this *.md5 file? |
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| 10:31.17 | Guerin | haha |
| 10:31.18 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@ip228-109.outside.westmont.edu] by azeem |
| 10:31.18 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 10:31.28 | holycow | thanky |
| 10:31.30 | azeem | damian: please recheck your attitude |
| 10:31.31 | karsten | Y'know, and that was one of the few things .... |
| 10:31.40 | azeem | damian: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 10:31.40 | liable | i cant help but wonder if we will be outed as part of a radical new group, "News at 11, most radical religions, whos the biggest terror in USA.. 1) islam 2) christianity 3) #debian!!!" |
| 10:31.49 | Guerin | just cross-ban anyone in #kubuntu and tell them to ask damian why |
| 10:32.06 | holycow | liable, that is the danger anyone with principles faces |
| 10:32.07 | azeem | please move along, nothing to see here |
| 10:32.24 | Entheogen | any1? |
| 10:32.29 | holycow | it is a sad thing when people cannot comprehend what it means to have well thought out values |
| 10:32.35 | azeem | Entheogen: what *.md5 file? |
| 10:32.35 | _Gnea_ | Entheogen: what? |
| 10:32.36 | holycow | and then 'oh gosh' you know, follow them? |
| 10:32.38 | azeem | Entheogen: apply where? |
| 10:33.02 | Entheogen | i get this: |
| 10:33.09 | azeem | !paste |
| 10:33.10 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 10:33.11 | Entheogen | Verifying archive integrity...Error in MD5 checksums: |
| 10:33.11 | Entheogen | when I try to run mafia-installer.run |
| 10:33.11 | karsten | Entheogen: clarify your question |
| 10:33.11 | Braindead | zomg paste |
| 10:33.19 | _Gnea_ | holycow: he's probably just smoking a lot of pot while his mommy and daddy pay for his college education |
| 10:33.19 | Entheogen | a've downloaded mafia-installer.md5 |
| 10:33.22 | azeem | Entheogen: what is mafia-installer? |
| 10:33.28 | Entheogen | what should I do? |
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| 10:33.37 | holycow | _Gnea_, ehe, appearently its not quality |
| 10:33.38 | _Gnea_ | oh well, that's none of my business |
| 10:33.39 | wols | liable: if there continue to be "bush is a nazi" statements in here, DHS might well react like this. what's worese: we'd be international cyberterrorists |
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| 10:33.46 | azeem | Entheogen: run md5sum on the .run and compare it with the content of the .md5 |
| 10:33.53 | Entheogen | installer for a game ;) |
| 10:34.03 | Entheogen | they are different |
| 10:34.03 | Guerin | Entheogen is in #physics, just like damian |
| 10:34.08 | Guerin | coincidence? |
| 10:34.10 | azeem | Guerin: stop it already |
| 10:34.13 | E-bola | Do anybody know a backup-script tht can login to remote system via ssh and transfer a backup from them to the executing server |
| 10:34.17 | holycow | Guerin, ha! |
| 10:34.18 | Guerin | azeem: it's a *fact* |
| 10:34.26 | karsten | E-bola: Um. rsync? |
| 10:34.30 | Entheogen | lol |
| 10:34.34 | azeem | Guerin: not every fact is useful |
| 10:34.39 | liable | wols: i would continue the conversation, but its prolly conterproductive and liable (haha) to get us in trouble |
| 10:34.41 | karsten | E-bola: That's pretty trivial, really. |
| 10:34.41 | E-bola | karsten: its not installed |
| 10:34.44 | E-bola | and it cant be installed |
| 10:34.52 | E-bola | so i need it to be over ssh |
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| 10:34.55 | Guerin | azeem: your faith in humanity springs eternal. |
| 10:34.55 | faust_ | Facts have a habit of getting in the way of a good discussion :) |
| 10:34.56 | _Gnea_ | wols: dude, bush doesn't wear a swastika :) |
| 10:34.59 | wols | liable: agreed. you cyberterrorist you |
| 10:35.02 | karsten | E-bola: OK. Then script something over ssh. |
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| 10:35.12 | faust_ | _Gnea_: might as well.. |
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| 10:35.15 | wols | _Gnea_: that would make it too obvious |
| 10:35.15 | E-bola | karsten: thats what im asking for... no need to script it if it exists.... |
| 10:35.16 | holycow | Guerin, well at least we didn't haveto wait for a ban :) quick onthe trigger he is |
| 10:35.17 | faust_ | Same rhetoric. |
| 10:35.24 | Entheogen | so what should I do when these md5 are different? |
| 10:35.31 | liable | i swear the keyboard fairy steals my keys as i type and laughs at me once i have hit enter |
| 10:35.31 | azeem | Entheogen: download again |
| 10:35.37 | wols | Entheogen: download it again |
| 10:35.40 | karsten | E-bola: 1. This is trivial stuff. 2. The script is going to be specific to your specific situation. |
| 10:35.45 | wols | or use something like PAR2 if you can |
| 10:35.46 | _Gnea_ | Entheogen: what game? |
| 10:35.50 | azeem | Entheogen: and/or put the md5sum of the .run into .md5 |
| 10:35.54 | faust_ | Entheogen: if the checksums are different, the file isn't identical to the one used to generate the first checksum. It's been corrupted. Redownload. |
| 10:35.54 | Entheogen | hm |
| 10:35.54 | Entheogen | ok |
| 10:35.54 | Entheogen | thanks |
| 10:35.54 | E-bola | karsten: specific? why on earth would it be? |
| 10:36.00 | azeem | if you think the download is correct |
| 10:36.03 | E-bola | A generic backup-over-ssh isnt specific at all |
| 10:36.07 | Entheogen | _Gnea_, Mafia |
| 10:36.11 | karsten | E-bola: ssh user@remotehost tar czvf - <paths to tar> |
| 10:36.17 | E-bola | and if its trivial its stupid to do it yourself |
| 10:36.24 | wols | Entheogen: there is a linux version of it? |
| 10:36.30 | Entheogen | thanks guys |
| 10:36.36 | E-bola | karsten:sure but then u need to rotate backups too etc, and all the normal backup issues |
| 10:36.41 | E-bola | woudl just be easier if a script existed |
| 10:36.43 | Entheogen | it's just installer |
| 10:36.52 | kapowaz | argh, I need help. Overnight, and I don't know how this has happened, php5 has mysteriously broken on my server. |
| 10:36.53 | karsten | E-bola: Nevermind. |
| 10:36.58 | h3sp4wn | E-bola: Or you can use shfs on the client machine (and then backup as you would if it was local) |
| 10:37.12 | karsten | !tell kapowaz about doesn't work |
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| 10:37.16 | kapowaz | instead of running sites, I am now sent back the .php source file |
| 10:37.16 | liable | karsten: you are running sid on your server? |
| 10:37.17 | karsten | !tell kapowaz about smart questions |
| 10:37.22 | liable | bah |
| 10:37.28 | karsten | kapowaz: Your apache config has gotten borked. |
| 10:37.30 | E-bola | h3sp4wn: the target im trying to backup is running sco-unix |
| 10:37.31 | kapowaz | !tell pedants give me a chance |
| 10:37.37 | E-bola | and i cant install anything on it, thats why its such a pain |
| 10:37.38 | karsten | liable: sid/etch |
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| 10:37.56 | _Gnea_ | E-bola: who the hell still runs sco? |
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| 10:38.04 | h3sp4wn | E-bola: If its running ssh then that is all that is needed for shfs (on the server) |
| 10:38.04 | E-bola | _Gnea_: anoying clients of mine |
| 10:38.10 | E-bola | its the second client i run into who has it |
| 10:38.13 | kapowaz | karsten: that would be logical but it hasn't changed |
| 10:38.14 | holycow | _Gnea_, probably some vendor specific legacy app |
| 10:38.15 | h3sp4wn | E-bola: sshd sorry |
| 10:38.15 | liable | _Gnea_: lawyers? |
| 10:38.28 | E-bola | h3sp4wn: it does, i guess ile google shfs |
| 10:38.33 | holycow | i've seen sco in lots of places |
| 10:38.37 | _Gnea_ | E-bola: guess they don't want their business to succeed then |
| 10:38.37 | E-bola | holycow: precisely |
| 10:38.46 | E-bola | application vendor requires sco-unix |
| 10:38.54 | karsten | kapowaz: Well, the directives which distinguish PHP from HTML are in your apache conf. Check, confirm, look at logs, and/or restart apache. |
| 10:38.58 | holycow | E-bola, reynolds? |
| 10:39.04 | kapowaz | okay |
| 10:39.05 | E-bola | nah, small danish company |
| 10:39.07 | kapowaz | panic over |
| 10:39.09 | kapowaz | I think it was firefox |
| 10:39.15 | liable | phew |
| 10:39.20 | _Gnea_ | holycow: there's no excuse for that. i've seen large international companies make the switch from sco to linux and remain on top of their profits. |
| 10:39.26 | kapowaz | it has cached the .php file from when apache was broken on friday (or rather, when php5 wasn't working) |
| 10:39.38 | holycow | _Gnea_, thats true, it would infact save them money |
| 10:39.40 | kapowaz | for some reason on a single URL on the site it is only giving me that .php file's source |
| 10:39.54 | karsten | kapowaz: check logs. |
| 10:40.00 | E-bola | h3sp4wn: so shfs lets my linux server mount the sco-unix servers filesystems over ssh? |
| 10:40.02 | E-bola | thats perfect :) |
| 10:40.28 | _Gnea_ | holycow: yeah, so they could keep improving their product lifespan. sco is a dead-end business practice these days. |
| 10:40.28 | h3sp4wn | E-bola: Pretty much |
| 10:40.28 | liable | i had a disturbing php problem with firefox |
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| 10:40.28 | brownie17 | does anyone know how i can remove the icons from my desktop that represnet my other HD's? they can't just be sent to waste basket |
| 10:40.33 | E-bola | i hope its in debian then |
| 10:40.33 | E-bola | hehe |
| 10:41.10 | karsten | kapowaz: Could be a Directory directive gone bad. |
| 10:41.26 | _Gnea_ | brownie17: kde? |
| 10:41.31 | karsten | brownie17: What desktop? GNOME/KDE? |
| 10:41.43 | brownie17 | karsten, _Gnea_, gnome |
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| 10:41.45 | _Gnea_ | vorsprung: is it broken? |
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| 10:43.00 | _Gnea_ | brownie17: not sure, tried #gnome? |
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| 10:43.21 | kapowaz | karsten: no, I think it's just Firefox caching stuff. I'll test it later when I close it down. If I request index.php in the same dir it works |
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| 10:43.35 | kapowaz | but if I request / it sends me the source file |
| 10:43.54 | kapowaz | I was panicked because I thought people would be able to find the password credentials |
| 10:44.03 | kapowaz | another reason I want to stop using goddamned php |
| 10:44.28 | kapowaz | what ? |
| 10:44.47 | kapowaz | ha, I just realised who you are. |
| 10:44.54 | kapowaz | Karsten Self |
| 10:45.02 | kapowaz | we spoke once via email, like 3 years ago |
| 10:45.19 | karsten | OK. |
| 10:45.22 | kapowaz | my former employer's sysadmin acted like a complete tw*t to you |
| 10:45.22 | karsten | Regarding? |
| 10:45.28 | karsten | Hah! |
| 10:45.31 | kapowaz | because of his shitty exchange server config |
| 10:45.42 | karsten | Spam stuff? |
| 10:45.42 | kapowaz | it was bouncing back replies to a mailing list I signed up to |
| 10:45.46 | _Gnea_ | kapowaz: server misconfiguration |
| 10:45.58 | kapowaz | oh it was a server misconfiguration, most definitely |
| 10:46.03 | kapowaz | you were right, he was the arsehole |
| 10:46.08 | brownie17 | holycow, i want one or two |
| 10:46.13 | karsten | Ah. I remember vaguely. |
| 10:46.13 | kapowaz | he was one of the reasons I left that place as it happens |
| 10:46.21 | karsten | !beer kapowaz |
| 10:46.22 | kapowaz | he got all high and mighty |
| 10:46.29 | holycow | brownie17, lol |
| 10:46.45 | karsten | kapowaz: Small world ;-) |
| 10:46.49 | kapowaz | indeed indeed |
| 10:46.56 | kapowaz | it might have been a debian mailing list anyway, I forget |
| 10:47.14 | karsten | Possibly. I don't recall details. I hope I was firm but fair ;-) |
| 10:47.16 | brownie17 | does anyone know how i can remove the icons from my desktop that represnet my other HD's? |
| 10:47.28 | chemaja | brownie17: gconf-editor |
| 10:47.36 | chemaja | brownie17: apps >> nautilus |
| 10:47.37 | liable | aww, sing it.. "mem-o-ries" |
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| 10:47.53 | kapowaz | well as I recall you pointed out that his exchange server was misconfigured and was bouncing all the mails, and he reacted angrily in a 'How dare you question my authoritahhh' way |
| 10:48.04 | kapowaz | the solution as I recall was me leaving the list |
| 10:48.08 | kapowaz | just to keep the peace |
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| 10:48.23 | kapowaz | anyway; back to work :) |
| 10:48.26 | karsten | Right. |
| 10:49.10 | _Gnea_ | liable: dude, have you ever looked up the word 'facist' on wikipedia? some pretty interesting stuff... like, how facism applies to forms of governments and how it's against liberalism.... so debian is a free software project, not a form of government, and the whole framework is rather liberal, in a way :) |
| 10:50.04 | karsten | _Gnea_: -offtopic |
| 10:50.05 | holycow | _Gnea_, right by definition debian cannot be fascist |
| 10:50.28 | kapowaz | holycow: tell that to the Ruby folks |
| 10:50.42 | liable | _Gnea_: erm, ok. i dunno why you thought i would like to know that |
| 10:50.47 | _Gnea_ | karsten: hey hey hey, i ain't gonna leave any loose ends behind ;) |
| 10:50.47 | holycow | *eep* |
| 10:50.48 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:50.51 | tralala | ok, now everyone knows that debian isn't fascist. Thanks |
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| 10:51.01 | diamond | Good morning ppl |
| 10:51.03 | kapowaz | how would I find out who to report a package installation bug to? |
| 10:51.03 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:51.09 | wols | tralala: it's worse! it's viral! |
| 10:51.21 | holycow | hehe, your nick tralala just adds humour to everything |
| 10:51.22 | wols | kapowaz: reportbug is your friend |
| 10:51.23 | karsten | kapowaz: /msg dpkg bts |
| 10:51.29 | kapowaz | libapache2-mod-php5 isn't installable on my newly installed sarge box |
| 10:51.31 | _Gnea_ | kapowaz: use the bts |
| 10:51.32 | diamond | someone that has experience with exim4 mail server please come to #Exim need help |
| 10:51.44 | tralala | holycow: pun intended |
| 10:51.56 | Guerin | you guys realise I'm doing an MA thesis next year on the motives and results of comparing someone to a totalitarian dictator |
| 10:52.02 | Guerin | this channel is awesome |
| 10:52.04 | karsten | !tell kapowaz about php4 |
| 10:52.06 | karsten | !tell kapowaz about php5 |
| 10:52.12 | _Gnea_ | Guerin: cool |
| 10:52.14 | karsten | kapowaz: Backports. /msg dpkg backports |
| 10:52.15 | liable | kapowaz: make sure you have security in sources. if you have shit that wont install, then you have a borked sources.list |
| 10:52.41 | kapowaz | I'll pastebin my sources.list, just a sec |
| 10:52.44 | liable | kapowaz: which of course php5 isnt in sarge so you have backports or whatever |
| 10:52.47 | kapowaz | I've been dicking with it a little this weekend |
| 10:52.52 | kapowaz | php5 is in sarge |
| 10:52.58 | liable | no |
| 10:53.00 | karsten | kapowaz: no it's not. |
| 10:53.05 | kapowaz | not at all? |
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| 10:53.13 | tralala | wols: it's more like a medical leech ;) |
| 10:53.19 | karsten | kapowaz: Ignore the php4 thing (misfire on my part). Read what dpkg told you about php5 & backports. |
| 10:53.42 | Guerin | _Gnea_: http://feayn.org/~lewis/clarkvader.jpeg |
| 10:53.59 | Guerin | _Gnea_: the head is the PM of New Zealand, Helen Clark |
| 10:54.02 | kapowaz | okay I know what I did |
| 10:54.22 | kapowaz | this is from me attempting to install ruby 1.8.4 from testing |
| 10:54.26 | Guerin | _Gnea_: the caption was 'Luke: I am your lesbian father...' |
| 10:54.35 | kapowaz | I still had testing sources in my sources.list |
| 10:54.36 | Guerin | _Gnea_: and that's the fundamental bit o' research |
| 10:54.51 | kapowaz | I removed it, did an update and it now tells me libapache2-mod-php5 is most recent |
| 10:55.00 | kapowaz | but... I'm sure I have php5 from sarge |
| 10:55.13 | _Gnea_ | Guerin: heh. |
| 10:55.30 | kapowaz | I only have a few backports installed; apache2, mysql5 and lsb-base |
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| 10:56.08 | kapowaz | how can I find out which branch a given package is installed from? |
| 10:56.36 | liable | fucking x keeps restarting with only a two key thing, and i am usually to pissed when it happens to work out which fucking keys it is.. :( |
| 10:56.54 | liable | shift and something |
| 10:57.12 | karsten | liable: shift and <restart-x> ? ;-) |
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| 10:57.28 | holycow | Guerin, rofl! |
| 10:57.31 | liable | karsten: bingo! |
| 10:57.49 | Zeit|idle | anyone has an idea, why vi/vim adds tons of tabs when I copy&paste text via ssh? |
| 10:58.00 | tralala | liable: I told you not to bind this key to the restart fucntion, didn't I? ;) |
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| 10:58.03 | karsten | Zeit|idle: :set noai |
| 10:58.07 | liable | karsten: some bastard just rubbed the 'restrt x' key off, and replaced it with a letter |
| 10:58.14 | Zeit|idle | ah.. |
| 10:58.16 | karsten | liable: cheeky |
| 10:58.27 | karsten | Zeit|idle: My trick: ":r ! cat" then paste |
| 10:58.34 | liable | tralala: i am a slow learner :) |
| 10:58.40 | Zeit|idle | is that a new function? |
| 10:58.46 | karsten | Zeit|idle: You're reading in program output, program is cat, no indents are set. |
| 10:58.59 | karsten | Zeit|idle: No. Standard vi/vim feature. |
| 10:59.02 | tralala | liable: this, of course, would be either etch or sid, right? |
| 10:59.19 | Zeit|idle | use vi for.. 15? years now, never had this problem... ^^ |
| 10:59.20 | liable | tralala: no, no, its ubuntu |
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| 10:59.41 | tralala | oh, no! He said the "U"-word... |
| 10:59.44 | karsten | Zeit|idle: add 'set noai' to your ~/.vimrc. IIRC it may be on by default. |
| 10:59.47 | Makenai | Is there a chvt-like command that returns the number of the current virtual terminal instead of setting it? |
| 11:00.01 | tralala | !chase liable |
| 11:00.04 | karsten | Makenai: 'tty' |
| 11:00.11 | liable | tralala: thats was a lie, yes, sid :) |
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| 11:00.34 | O2 | hello, everyone |
| 11:00.40 | tralala | don't we all just love sid ;) |
| 11:01.00 | karsten | Makenai: Under X that's going to return the pts of your terminal, which may not be what you want, but works on console. |
| 11:01.11 | liable | i am a little miffed that i dont realise what i have done untill its too late |
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| 11:01.39 | Makenai | karsten: Yeah, I was just testing that. /dev/pts/0 instead of something like tty7 Hmm.. |
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| 11:01.46 | liable | i hadnt restarted x in a few weeks, and of course, the first time, x was horribly broken |
| 11:01.57 | karsten | Makenai: That's the tty your terminal itself is using. |
| 11:02.11 | liable | now, it restarts, but i still dunno wtf i did to cause it |
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| 11:02.32 | Makenai | karsten: I'm writing an acpi script to get the current virtual terminal and switch it, then switch back upon resume |
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| 11:02.51 | tralala | liable: apt-get upgrade? |
| 11:03.00 | liable | tralala: pffft |
| 11:03.13 | liable | tralala: the key combo!!! |
| 11:03.32 | liable | tralala: i didnt give it the three finger salute |
| 11:03.33 | karsten | Makenai: Given that the current acpi stuff does that, you might take a look at it. |
| 11:04.02 | tralala | liable: my point, exactly |
| 11:04.31 | tralala | you've just picked the latest "feature" |
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| 11:04.38 | Makenai | karsten: Yeah, I just tried it and had no problems whatsoever. I guess I was looking at legacy scripts as examples and it's not necessary any more :) |
| 11:04.41 | Makenai | Thanks |
| 11:04.48 | karsten | Makenai: NP. |
| 11:04.52 | liable | ah! its a feature!! fool is me |
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| 11:05.27 | liable | must be 1100 |
| 11:05.30 | liable | gmt |
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| 11:05.50 | tralala | but of course, it is - we all know there is no spoon (aka bug) |
| 11:06.29 | tralala | dpkg: wb |
| 11:06.29 | dpkg | thanks, tralala. It's good to be back. |
| 11:06.54 | liable | tralala: well, i am to lazy to check, even though it would require less effort than whining here :) |
| 11:07.23 | tralala | liable: yep, me too. But I'm lucky enough not to run sid :) |
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| 11:08.03 | liable | tralala: its not a problem, untill i press the magic combo :) |
| 11:08.13 | liable | which i dont know |
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| 11:08.50 | tralala | hmm, he pressed it again... |
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| 11:09.26 | usn_work | hi folx |
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| 11:09.50 | liable | ok, shift + backspace is one of the magic combo's |
| 11:10.08 | tralala | liable: I knew it ;) |
| 11:10.31 | liable | tralala: knew what? |
| 11:10.49 | holycow | <tralala> hmm, he pressed it again... |
| 11:10.52 | holycow | see |
| 11:10.58 | tralala | liable: this is why you should use screen+irssi :). I knew you've just found the combo :) |
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| 11:11.00 | liable | hah |
| 11:11.02 | holycow | not only is tralala humorous he is also a psychic |
| 11:11.11 | holycow | he is a humorous psychic |
| 11:11.13 | liable | !beer tralala |
| 11:11.23 | karsten | liable: alt-shift-backspace is. Do you have a stuck alt key? |
| 11:11.52 | liable | tralala: i rarely reboot, and have no need for screen genrally on my working boxen |
| 11:11.54 | holycow | he did mention beer loves his keyboard |
| 11:11.56 | Illarane | Does anyone here know how I can get stereo output working properly on my SB Live? |
| 11:12.18 | Illarane | At the moment all I seem to be able to listen to is the centre channel. :/ |
| 11:12.22 | tralala | liable: I think you do *now* :) |
| 11:12.25 | liable | karsten: nah, alls good, but i am not convinced that that is the only combo either |
| 11:12.34 | liable | tralala: :) |
| 11:12.43 | karsten | liable: OK |
| 11:13.12 | liable | karsten: innit ctl-alt-back anywho? |
| 11:13.25 | tralala | holycow: err... thanks (I guess) |
| 11:13.46 | holycow | i'll shutup now |
| 11:13.52 | holycow | i was waiting for win2k3 to shutdown |
| 11:13.59 | holycow | :) it takes a loooooooong time |
| 11:14.02 | holycow | total piece of crap |
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| 11:14.22 | karsten | liable: Right. |
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| 11:14.40 | liable | gonna just make sure |
| 11:14.40 | tralala | liable: using ctl-alt-back is HARD |
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| 11:15.49 | liable | hrm, definately only two keys |
| 11:15.58 | liable | and the wrong keyts |
| 11:16.38 | tralala | liable: this is an improvement, because you know - using ctl-alt-back is HARD |
| 11:17.12 | liable | tralala: but shift and back is apparently easy for me, i did it twice for no good reason... |
| 11:17.28 | tralala | in the next revision it will be only one key - any key! |
| 11:17.36 | liable | though, as i said, i am not sure, that its the only combo |
| 11:18.12 | liable | heh, well, if it comes to that, i'm sure i'll make it to bash.org |
| 11:18.13 | tralala | I mean who uses k3ybrd, lol?!!!1 |
| 11:18.53 | liable | i cant even blame debian due to compiled x shits |
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| 11:19.05 | liable | as much as i want to |
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| 11:20.09 | Lopuz | Hi, i just upgraded to apache 2.2 |
| 11:20.18 | Lopuz | i now get the following message: |
| 11:20.20 | Lopuz | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: API module structure `php5_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? |
| 11:20.25 | liable | lucky you, and its broken? |
| 11:20.32 | Lopuz | yeah |
| 11:20.48 | liable | Lopuz: check bts |
| 11:20.54 | Lopuz | i guess you have gotten this message lots of times |
| 11:20.55 | azeem | Lopuz: which version of apache2? |
| 11:21.14 | zirikili | hi all. after dist-upgrade from etch to sid my box halts when loading X. the alt-function keys does not work neither ctrl-alt-backspace. any help |
| 11:21.25 | Lopuz | Server version: Apache/2.2.3 |
| 11:21.25 | Lopuz | Server built: Oct 2 2006 16:12:54 |
| 11:21.44 | Lopuz | liable: im sorry, but what is bts? |
| 11:21.45 | azeem | Lopuz: dpkg -l apache2.2-common | tail -1 |
| 11:21.48 | azeem | !bts |
| 11:21.48 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 11:21.59 | Lopuz | ii apache2.2-common 2.2.3-1 Next generation, scalable, extendable web server |
| 11:22.00 | azeem | "Unstable users are required to check the BTS" |
| 11:22.07 | azeem | Lopuz: try -2 |
| 11:22.14 | azeem | that has some of the bigger bugs gixed |
| 11:22.16 | azeem | eh, fixed |
| 11:22.20 | tralala | liable: this is in you field of expertiese now ( zirikili ) ;))) |
| 11:22.25 | liable | i am once again amazed at the apparent number of people running servers on sid |
| 11:22.41 | azeem | liable: maybe it is just for testing |
| 11:22.59 | liable | tralala: i am silly enough to use it on a desktop box, i am nowhere near silly enough to run it on a server :) |
| 11:23.09 | zirikili | tralala: it is not a server |
| 11:23.12 | azeem | Versions: 2.2.3-2 [kfreebsd-i386], 2.2.3-1 [alpha, amd64, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc] |
| 11:23.16 | azeem | what |
| 11:23.28 | azeem | I hope nobody uploaded apache2 on kfreebsd :) |
| 11:23.38 | Lopuz | azeem: -2 as in apache version 1.x? |
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| 11:23.52 | tralala | zirikili: I've never thought it was |
| 11:24.00 | zirikili | tralala: sorry |
| 11:24.18 | azeem | Lopuz: hrm? |
| 11:24.27 | azeem | Lopuz: as in apache2_2.2.3-2 |
| 11:24.35 | azeem | i.e. run apt-get upgrade |
| 11:24.38 | tralala | zirikili: try shift+backspace, if it doesn't work you're in trouble |
| 11:24.56 | Lopuz | azeem: ok, i'll try |
| 11:25.14 | liable | tralala: oh, i didnt realise you were talking about another person |
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| 11:25.51 | liable | tralala: as i said, i have a non standard x, so i cant blame debian |
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| 11:26.14 | liable | tralala: though i want to :P |
| 11:26.16 | zirikili | tralala: I think is some hardware imcompatibility. I did the same on another box and it is working fine. only this one does not load X anymore. |
| 11:26.26 | tralala | liable: what do you mean a non-standard? |
| 11:26.36 | liable | tralala: compiled xgl |
| 11:27.02 | tralala | oooh, I didn't get that. |
| 11:27.22 | tralala | zirikili: anything in the logs? |
| 11:27.38 | liable | tralala: though this has only happened in the last day or two.. but, i cant categorically blame xorg in debian, even though i have had xgl for some time |
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| 11:28.12 | liable | tralala: xgl still uses the standard xorg server as well |
| 11:28.16 | Lopuz | azeem: i cant fint apache2_2.2.3-2 in any of my mirrors, is it up on the official mirrors? |
| 11:28.19 | zirikili | tralala: X.org.log doesn't show any error I could detect |
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| 11:29.09 | azeem | Lopuz: get it from http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/ then |
| 11:29.17 | Lopuz | azeem: ok, thanks a lot |
| 11:29.35 | tralala | zirikili: you mean egrep 'EE|WW' gives you nothing? |
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| 11:31.01 | tralala | liable: erm... oookaaay (I guess) |
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| 11:31.34 | tralala | at least is it shiny enough? |
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| 11:32.23 | brownie17 | how can i change the label on my HD? atm it is 0gb Hard Disk. that was automatic. |
| 11:32.46 | zirikili | tralala: I'll take a look again. if not, I'll have to back to etch on this machine only. |
| 11:32.58 | zirikili | tralala: thank you anyway |
| 11:33.15 | infernixx | brownie17, partitions are labelled, not hard drives. |
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| 11:33.17 | tralala | zirikili: that would be a pitty... etch is so old |
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| 11:33.29 | infernixx | brownie17, e2label is probably what you want |
| 11:33.32 | zirikili | tralala: :( |
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| 11:34.06 | liable | tralala: the cube is cool, though pointless. the thing where you can see all windows is nice too. apart from that, its nothing great |
| 11:34.32 | xored | courierpop3login: authdaemon: TEMPFAIL - no more modules will be tried --- i got this error and could not login "suddenly". 3 Minutes later it worked. What could that mean ? |
| 11:34.52 | liable | tralala: though some will like the fading stuff and others, all depends on what floats your boat i guess |
| 11:35.04 | tralala | liable: hey, what do you mean nothing great?! It has 30% improvement on restarting! |
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| 11:35.15 | liable | tralala: ? |
| 11:35.36 | brownie17 | infernix, i don't think i was clear, it's not a partition though. it's just an extrernal hard drive which gnome calls 8GB Hard Disk |
| 11:35.36 | infernixx | liable, heh, i don't get it at all. a cool gimmick hardly increases productivity and usability :) |
| 11:35.41 | tralala | 3-to-2 keys to be presse3d |
| 11:35.48 | liable | tralala: heh |
| 11:36.00 | tralala | ;) |
| 11:36.08 | brownie17 | infernix, e2label is not in the repos |
| 11:36.20 | tralala | oaky, enogh trash talking |
| 11:36.39 | E-bola | I have etch installed with a 2.6.15-1-486 kernel, how do i install the kernel-headers for this? |
| 11:36.44 | E-bola | I cant find any matching this version |
| 11:36.47 | infernixx | brownie17, i dont know much about gnome and its automounting features, sorry. |
| 11:37.00 | liable | infernixx: so dont use it. the ability to see all windows on a desktop and choose which with keystrokes is nice, but meh, if you dont like it, stick with fluxbox i guess |
| 11:37.21 | tralala | E-bola: snapshot.debian.org |
| 11:37.30 | infernixx | liable, i'm not. i'm an ion fan:) |
| 11:37.31 | tralala | err debian.net |
| 11:37.45 | E-bola | looking... |
| 11:38.30 | E-bola | tralala: searching for 2.6.15 doesnt yield a resuklt |
| 11:38.34 | liable | infernixx: good for you. i like it. if we all had shitty computers and didnt want to improve linux's x capabilities, i guess we would all use ion3 :P |
| 11:39.00 | brownie17 | how can i change the label on my HD? atm it is 0gb Hard Disk. that was automatic. |
| 11:39.37 | tralala | E-bola: open the Packages.gz and look inside |
| 11:39.40 | infernixx | liable, hehe. i guess you're right in both ways:) |
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| 11:40.00 | E-bola | tralala: ? Its a homepage |
| 11:40.22 | tralala | E-bola: click around a bit - you'll find it |
| 11:40.45 | E-bola | are you sure its there, not saying it actualy exists |
| 11:40.49 | E-bola | maybe im missunderstanding something |
| 11:40.57 | Konfuzen | does vmware work like wine? |
| 11:41.12 | azeem | Konfuzen: try a more specific question |
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| 11:42.00 | Konfuzen | ok i want to run photoshop on linux instead of windows do i need vmware or wine? |
| 11:42.37 | infernixx | konfuzed, wine. |
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| 11:42.41 | tralala | E-bola: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/l/linux-2.6/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 11:43.00 | liable | Konfuzen: apparently they have made great efforts to make PS work in wine, but try #wine-hq or there website |
| 11:43.18 | liable | Konfuzen: prolly running it in vmware would be the go though |
| 11:43.24 | infernixx | Konfuzen, you might also want to try Pixel instead of photoshop. http://www.kanzelsberger.com |
| 11:43.59 | Konfuzen | does vmware need to reference a window sysytem to run? I know wine doesn't |
| 11:44.26 | liable | as much as free software is good, and the gimp is nice, PS is unrivaled for serious imaging tasks |
| 11:44.31 | infernixx | Konfuzen, if it runs in wine it'll work better and will be less of a hassle than running it in vmware/qemu. |
| 11:44.50 | liable | Konfuzen: yes, you need to install windows in vmware |
| 11:45.00 | Konfuzen | thanks for your help |
| 11:45.01 | Konfuzen | :) |
| 11:45.02 | infernixx | liable, Pixel isn't free, even though its cheap. but it seems like a real PS competitor |
| 11:45.04 | xored | courierpop3login: authdaemon: TEMPFAIL - no more modules will be tried --- i got this error and could not login "suddenly". 3 Minutes later it worked. What could that mean ? |
| 11:45.12 | Konfuzen | Pixel is good but still buggy |
| 11:45.34 | Konfuzen | Pixel is the next best thing to Photoshop :) or will be for sure |
| 11:45.48 | Konfuzen | the guy needs to get more people working on it that's all :) |
| 11:46.01 | liable | better than gimp? |
| 11:46.09 | Konfuzen | feels better |
| 11:46.17 | E-bola | tralala: thanks |
| 11:46.23 | infernixx | for everyone who's used to PS, Pixel > Gimp |
| 11:46.35 | liable | infernixx: i am a hobbiest photographer and frequent a few forums and never heard of it. will check it out though |
| 11:46.43 | Konfuzen | gimp feels very boxy and sort of heavy while photoshop and pixel feel like a mercedes benz |
| 11:46.56 | Konfuzen | the problem with gimp is the interface |
| 11:47.15 | liable | theres an app for that too |
| 11:47.22 | liable | that makes it like PS |
| 11:47.33 | liable | i cant think of it atm |
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| 11:47.57 | Konfuzen | Gimpshop? |
| 11:48.01 | xored | gimp is missing the ability to group layers, what makes it not unly unusable for prof. use, also for home-office |
| 11:48.14 | liable | Konfuzen: ya |
| 11:48.20 | infernixx | liable, grab the Pixel demo .deb and try it out :) |
| 11:48.38 | liable | infernixx: url? |
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| 11:48.41 | Konfuzen | What the gimp developers need to do is do what the Pixel guy is doing Copy Photoshop more :) |
| 11:48.57 | xored | is pixel free ? |
| 11:49.15 | liable | gimp has the same features, ust lacking the ui, and people to pay homage to it |
| 11:49.24 | lunitik | not in any sense of the word... xored |
| 11:49.44 | xored | so why are you compating free sowftware with commercial on that base ? |
| 11:50.07 | xored | i mean, gimg is "nearly" as good as PS, but ofc, not perfect |
| 11:50.17 | infernixx | liable, http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/ |
| 11:50.25 | lunitik | comparing* ... I don't think its unfair to do that these days... I just wouldn't use it... |
| 11:50.26 | liable | ta |
| 11:50.32 | infernixx | and no, Pixel is not free. |
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| 11:51.09 | infernixx | lunitik, $32 not worth it? or you mean PS? |
| 11:51.35 | deeb71 | How should packages that require special permissions (such as suid bits or new local system users) be handled? How do you ensure that local permission changes aren't overwritten by upgrades? |
| 11:51.53 | lunitik | infernixx: its not that much of an improvement over gimp/krita ... so its not even worth $5 in my opinion |
| 11:52.12 | liable | gimp will never be a good as PS in peoples eyes as long as major mags use PS because poeple are sheep |
| 11:52.48 | lunitik | Also, you can't upgrade through versions... so its not just $32 ... its that much per version |
| 11:52.57 | tralala | you can pretty much say the same about linux, but the question is who cares what people think of linux or gimp? |
| 11:53.57 | dendrite | tralala: The only reason linux/gimp popularity matters is because that represents mind-share, which in turn represents viability and support. |
| 11:54.44 | tralala | dendrite: you've lost me on that one |
| 11:55.10 | dendrite | tralala: If nobody cares about linux, it'll go away, or not be supported by vendors. |
| 11:55.47 | lunitik | dendrite: Linux will never go away |
| 11:56.07 | dendrite | lunitik: I'm with you there. :-) |
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| 11:57.09 | lunitik | dendrite: vendor support is irrelevant to that... it survived for 7+ years with no venders even knowing what it was... |
| 11:57.10 | infernixx | lunitik, still it's a good deal compared to the price of PS |
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| 11:57.32 | lunitik | infernixx: I'll stick to Krita... thanks |
| 11:57.48 | dendrite | lunitik: Perhaps. But if vendors start pre-installing, then maybe banks will wake up and stop requiring IE, for instance. |
| 11:57.54 | liable | vendor support does matter |
| 11:57.58 | tralala | dendrite: if linux was dependend upon vendor support it wouldn't be where it is now |
| 11:58.11 | lunitik | liable: bs |
| 11:58.31 | liable | not so much as in box makers, but look at intel |
| 11:58.33 | dendrite | lunitik: No need to be rude. |
| 11:58.58 | liable | lunitik: i chose my boxes due to vendor support, so it does matter |
| 11:59.26 | lunitik | dendrite: vendors are starting to pre-install... on cheap crap boxes that make Linux look bad... they're about money, not pushing Linux... |
| 11:59.39 | dendrite | There are no absolutes in this arena. It's about margins, and, well, let's just say that world domination is easier with vendor support. :-) |
| 11:59.47 | lunitik | dendrite: try using one of the Linspire boxes... they're CRAP... thats the kind of things vendors get you |
| 12:00.02 | dendrite | lunitik: Then there's Lenovo... |
| 12:00.19 | lunitik | dendrite: remains to be seen what kind of systems they come with... |
| 12:00.35 | liable | lunitik: what about ibm? that the vendor i chose due to linux support (though not support per se, but compatibilty) |
| 12:01.05 | lunitik | liable: IBM sold there way out of the home computer segment... |
| 12:01.07 | liable | s/ibm/lenovo/ |
| 12:01.20 | liable | same beast |
| 12:01.28 | lunitik | liable: see my last comment directed at dendrite |
| 12:01.34 | dendrite | lunitik: IBM still very much supports (and is supported by) GNU/Linux |
| 12:01.47 | liable | lunitik: i have a lenovo laptop, it all works |
| 12:02.00 | lunitik | dendrite: in the data center... the business markets... sure |
| 12:02.07 | liable | lunitik: as well as my ibm one |
| 12:02.13 | dendrite | lunitik: Well, that's their business! |
| 12:02.53 | lunitik | liable: pre-installed with Linux? |
| 12:03.12 | liable | lunitik: no, but they do now sell with suse apparently |
| 12:03.23 | lunitik | liable: "apparently" |
| 12:04.00 | liable | lunitik: will finding the url make any difference? |
| 12:04.09 | liable | i doubt it |
| 12:04.26 | dendrite | lunitik: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-48NT8D |
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| 12:05.39 | liable | lunitik: and i had to send my laptop back for warrenty, i told them i had linux on it, they said thats cool, tell me what you think dell or sony would say in that situation |
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| 12:06.23 | petemc | if its hardware issues, dell dont care if it runs linux |
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| 12:06.28 | lunitik | liable: Dell would probably say the same thing... Sony, I don't think they are behind Linux, but I doubt it would break warrenty? |
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| 12:07.29 | liable | lunitik: no idea |
| 12:07.52 | tralala | let me remind you that linux supported a wide range of hardware before any vendor has declared any support |
| 12:07.56 | marsje | Hi. I just compiled the Linux uvc driver (webcam). Now where do I put the .ko file? |
| 12:08.20 | tralala | s/before/long before/ |
| 12:08.40 | liable | marsje: in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
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| 12:09.07 | marsje | liable: and does it matter in what subdirectory? Because there are many.. |
| 12:09.09 | liable | tralala: at least some pretend to support it :) |
| 12:09.21 | liable | marsje: the parent should be fine |
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| 12:09.41 | marsje | liable: will it automatically be loaded on startup after a reboot? |
| 12:09.54 | zl2tod | bring back the cobol/fortran war |
| 12:10.18 | liable | marsje: not neccessarily, if not, add it to /etc/modules |
| 12:11.08 | marsje | liable: do I need to run to tun depmod before or after or both? |
| 12:11.08 | infernixx | marsje, /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/ is most commonly used for externally compiled modules |
| 12:11.26 | liable | marsje: yeah, run depmod after you cp it over |
| 12:11.48 | marsje | liable: and then modprobe? |
| 12:11.57 | liable | yes\ah |
| 12:12.07 | marsje | okidoki |
| 12:12.09 | liable | err, yeah |
| 12:12.29 | tralala | liable: they indeed do (pretend) ;) |
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| 12:13.27 | newsfreak | Hi all, hat jemand evtl. kurz zeit für ein ifup problem bei statischen ip adressen? |
| 12:13.31 | liable | tralala: unfortunately, that comment is true :/ |
| 12:13.54 | RichiH | !de |
| 12:13.55 | dpkg | from memory, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 12:14.06 | newsfreak | sorry, i'll change |
| 12:14.10 | Bombo | i need a driver fpr my fritz card classic (isdn) is anyone able to compile this source to a debian/etch package? ftp://ftp.avm.de/cardware/fritzcrd/linux/suse.82/fcclassic-suse8.2-03.11.02.tar.gz |
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| 12:16.02 | liable | tralala: at least ibm have made it possible for me to upgrade my bios without running windows, which is a nice turn of events |
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| 12:16.22 | tralala | liable: however this hasn't stopped me from using linux - it has only stopped me from buying hardware from pretenders |
| 12:16.44 | sarefo | hi, does anybody have an idea why 'xv' (image viewer) isn't available as a debian package? |
| 12:17.20 | tralala | sarefo: because ther is gqview which is far better |
| 12:17.26 | liable | tralala: its a minefield who you buy hardware from, and not an issue lightly taken with linux users |
| 12:17.44 | liable | ya, gqview is nice |
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| 12:17.56 | sarefo | thx :) i was looking for a fast picture viewer that can also maximize a picture, i'll try gqview |
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| 12:18.08 | Mille | is it possible to change the ip-adress for a nic on the commandline? |
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| 12:18.23 | Mille | like with one row-code |
| 12:18.25 | Mille | temporary |
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| 12:18.36 | Niklas- | Hi. I've managed to setup a debian mirror using rsync, and it's working really great. Now i got 2-3 packages of my own (kernel images mainly) and i want to add thoose packages to my local mirror - is there a tutorial somewhere describing such thing? |
| 12:18.37 | Mille | so it doesn't have to be saved in any files etc. |
| 12:18.44 | sep | Mille, ifconfig |
| 12:18.58 | sep | or if you prefer ip addr |
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| 12:19.08 | Mille | sep? can i change it with ipconfig? |
| 12:19.13 | Mille | err. if. |
| 12:19.17 | sep | ifconfig or ip addr |
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| 12:19.26 | sep | yes |
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| 12:20.27 | h3sp4wn | Niklas-: dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null|gzip -9>Packages.gz (that might help you) but I would (do) keep my own packages in a seperate directory |
| 12:20.28 | tralala | liable: unfortunately it is. Buying hardware is one of my very few annoyances with linux. |
| 12:20.56 | E-bola | I always buy HP or Dell for servers |
| 12:21.03 | E-bola | never really had any problems that couldnt be solved so far |
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| 12:21.09 | E-bola | although it requires some fiddeling sometimes |
| 12:21.29 | h3sp4wn | Sun servers are quality (for running linux or solaris) |
| 12:21.42 | kombi | could someone point me to a list of supported sata controllers in sarge? |
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| 12:23.22 | tralala | kombi: I don't think one exists |
| 12:24.11 | infernixx | kombi, http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html |
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| 12:25.36 | h3sp4wn | kombi: You can use the sarge with 2.6.16 from backports if you need to (if it is a super new one that needs 2.6.18 (core2 you would need something newer - etch with sid kernel or kanotix) |
| 12:26.12 | kombi | thanks invernixx! |
| 12:26.50 | Mille | sep, thanks :-) |
| 12:27.30 | h3sp4wn | kombi: Remember that list applies to 2.6.18-git5 - sarge uses 2.6.8 by default |
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| 12:28.15 | dererk[w] | G'Morning/Buen dÃa :-) |
| 12:28.16 | kombi | h3sp4wn: good point! |
| 12:28.18 | Niklas- | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 12:28.32 | Niklas- | Does that work with the "new" diff system for apt-get update? |
| 12:29.04 | kombi | h3sp4wn: got this pretty straigt forward asrock board with nvidia here, but it seems sarge can't deal.. |
| 12:29.04 | h3sp4wn | Niklas-: I don't know I keep my stuff seperate and it doesn't change much |
| 12:29.23 | Niklas- | ok thanks anyway :) |
| 12:29.33 | h3sp4wn | kombi: Try sarge with 2.6.16 from backports |
| 12:30.06 | h3sp4wn | kombi: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 12:30.23 | liable | tralala: yeah, it sucks, and when you think you have made the right choice, just as you are unwrapping that shiny pci card, you read about the one that has teh rocking support that works sweet |
| 12:31.22 | tralala | liable: speak about wireless nics... |
| 12:31.43 | liable | tralala: no excuses, they are well documented |
| 12:32.03 | kombi | h3sp4wn: can't make the bot speak there.. |
| 12:32.05 | liable | tralala: the lappie i have now has support, it sucks, but it works |
| 12:32.28 | kombi | h3: that involves installing and upgrading the kernel? |
| 12:32.35 | tralala | liable: not the ones on my local market |
| 12:33.01 | h3sp4wn | kombi: Ask dpkg (there is also an installer with it) everything is in the factoid |
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| 12:33.31 | tralala | in US you could buy all the coolest and supported hardware. Here you're stuck with brands/models that the internet hasn't heard about |
| 12:33.37 | liable | tralala: well, whatever it is, it has a chipset, and google knows about it.. |
| 12:34.21 | liable | and if google doesnt know, then dont buy it |
| 12:34.24 | kombi | h3sp4wn: even installing sarge with 2.6.26 on a fresh box? |
| 12:34.37 | tralala | liable: sure. As long as the salesman knows the chipset or you're allowed to try before you buy |
| 12:35.13 | h3sp4wn | !tell kombi about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 12:35.32 | tralala | and using amd64 with drivers that are not in linux yet doesn't help at all |
| 12:35.32 | liable | tralala: no, you check the model no, then go home and ggole for the chipset. if you believe a salesman, then you deserve to get ripped off :P |
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| 12:36.20 | h3sp4wn | kombi: Yes I have done it with the installer linked from there sarge-custom-0801.iso (to be exact - quite recently) |
| 12:36.35 | tralala | liable: you know, the "good" thing about the wireless cards is that there are so many chipsets to enjoy with the _same_ model number |
| 12:37.01 | liable | tralala: yes, that is a legitimate problem :/ |
| 12:37.03 | tralala | and I'm speaking about first-hand experience here! |
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| 12:38.30 | liable | tralala: but the manufacturers that do that, are generally documanted as doing so |
| 12:38.40 | liable | ducumented.. |
| 12:38.52 | jpdp | Are there any known issues with the official netinst images booting? ("official" beeing the SWE download ones right now for some reason) |
| 12:38.59 | jpdp | Or known issues booting on older PCs? |
| 12:39.27 | kombi | h3sp4wn: great! I'll try and wrangle that now |
| 12:39.41 | jpdp | I've been having a problem where when it tries to boot from the CD I get a line containing "FD (ascii chars) System Type-(00)" printed on the screen and that's it. |
| 12:39.49 | tralala | liable: maybe they are, but by the time I'm done checking what's available on the market and the availabilities change.... |
| 12:39.51 | jpdp | Note that an old Debian 2.0 boot CD works fine. |
| 12:40.31 | liable | tralala: bad luck to you i guess. and yeah, it sucks, but we live and learn |
| 12:40.47 | jpdp | I burned discs from the iso both in Nero in windows and cdrecord/xcdroast in linux...same result on boht. |
| 12:40.48 | jpdp | both |
| 12:41.06 | liable | tralala: make sure you document somewhere how you got fucked over, so it doesnt happen to others |
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| 12:41.55 | tralala | liable: are you aware of any wikis that do this kind of thing? |
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| 12:42.30 | jpdp | boht=boot |
| 12:42.54 | liable | tralala: not general wireless, but i have a few links for some chipsets |
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| 12:43.43 | liable | tralala: one of the biggest problems with linux is lack of centralised HW info IMHO |
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| 12:44.27 | simonrvn | HW compat howto, but i dunno if it's kept up to date |
| 12:44.35 | aeronadix | one of biggest problems of linux is microsoft hates it. And they are vicious, and are friends with everyone |
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| 12:45.02 | dimir | !nickometer IDontDoNicks |
| 12:45.03 | tralala | simonrvn: I think a wiki will be far more useful than a howto |
| 12:45.04 | dpkg | 'IDontDoNicks' is 27.000% lame, dimir |
| 12:45.08 | aeronadix | I think maybe linux get me blacklisted from employment or something, is it possible, anyone every say something like that before? |
| 12:45.11 | simonrvn | i could care less what they think. they can kiss my medium-brown ass |
| 12:45.13 | liable | tralala: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz |
| 12:45.16 | IDontDoNicks | dpkg, that's not very nice, now is it? :o |
| 12:45.17 | dpkg | IDontDoNicks: I think you lost me on that one |
| 12:45.29 | simonrvn | tralala: yes |
| 12:45.37 | aeronadix | wlan is a tough nut to crack |
| 12:45.45 | liable | tralala: madwifi, and intel and others have HW compat lists |
| 12:45.50 | IDontDoNicks | is it hard to share the internet using debian? As a router/nat or something? |
| 12:45.56 | simonrvn | no |
| 12:46.01 | aeronadix | IDontDoNicks, no that is easy |
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| 12:46.19 | IDontDoNicks | okey, sounds good =) |
| 12:46.22 | simonrvn | you could do it with your eyes closed |
| 12:46.40 | IDontDoNicks | oh rly? :O |
| 12:46.45 | Toothpick | What can I apt-get install for ETCH that will have 3d acceleration for the radeon 200m? |
| 12:46.46 | tralala | liable: I have seen plenty of them - the problem is that they are usually slow to catch up with the current models |
| 12:46.55 | simonrvn | well, if you're a touch typist =) |
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| 12:47.09 | aeronadix | IDontDoNicks, just install some iptaples package, and then find the script from internet, copy and paste it, and start the daemon. I did it long time ago. DO a search on ipmasquerade |
| 12:47.27 | streuner | IDontDoNicks: well, you should install ipmasq first (before closing eyes) |
| 12:47.33 | simonrvn | apt-get install ipmasq |
| 12:47.40 | IDontDoNicks | no, please! |
| 12:47.47 | IDontDoNicks | i will take it from here :P |
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| 12:48.01 | IDontDoNicks | just wanted to know whether one could do it or not ;) no more hints |
| 12:48.15 | liable | tralala: yeah, if i was gonna get a card i would go either atheros or intel. orinoco and others are well supported too, but, yeah, its a confusing road to tread |
| 12:48.22 | jpdp | I suppose no known problems with it then... :) |
| 12:48.36 | simonrvn | IDontDoNicks: *hint* *hint* *hint* *hint* *hint* *hint* ;p |
| 12:48.50 | aeronadix | darn, I wanted to read the instructions myself too, for a refresher. I did it on redhat years ago, must be way easier on debian. |
| 12:49.31 | IDontDoNicks | simonrvn, i have closed my eyes, just as you told me to. Thus i can't see your hints. If that's what you're posting. But I wouldn't know... |
| 12:49.33 | IDontDoNicks | ehm |
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| 12:50.07 | Bombo | is it possible to view contents of packages that are not installed and not on the local hd? like apt-cache search capisuite --viewcontents for example ;) |
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| 12:50.31 | tralala | liable: I have a levelone pci with atheros chipset. I has very happy with it so I went to buy a second one. The have upgraded the speed to 108mbit and the chipset to ralink. Ralink's drivers crash the 64bit kernels... end of story/rant |
| 12:50.39 | aeronadix | Bombo, try it |
| 12:51.09 | aeronadix | Bombo, that is no such option |
| 12:51.17 | tralala | IDontDoNicks: if you are the die-hard kind of guy you should use slackware |
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| 12:51.20 | liable | tralala: eew, yeah, 64bit i know nothing of |
| 12:51.27 | IDontDoNicks | tralala, I ain't. |
| 12:51.29 | lord_rob | Hi ! I've just upgraded sid, and since then, it seems gnome applications (at least firefox and xchat) cannot resolve DNS anymore. With KDE applications (konqueror and kSirc, what I use) it's fine. Anyone knows what could be wrong here ? |
| 12:51.37 | aeronadix | Bombo, apt-cache show |
| 12:52.13 | liable | tralala: atheros is a chipset, i dunno what you mean by uchanging to ralink |
| 12:52.24 | tralala | IDontDoNicks: you can take some hints then, we'll not charge you |
| 12:52.31 | liable | oh, levelone.. |
| 12:52.34 | simonrvn | aeronadix, Bombo: that does not show the contents of the package |
| 12:52.35 | Bombo | aeronadix: doesnt show me the content |
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| 12:52.53 | simonrvn | apt-file |
| 12:52.54 | aeronadix | Sorry, I don't know what you mean by contents then |
| 12:53.02 | simonrvn | what's inside |
| 12:53.06 | simonrvn | !dict contents |
| 12:53.08 | dpkg | Dictionary 'contents' (3 of 8): 2. Power of containing; capacity; extent; size. [Obs.] ;; a list of divisions (chapters or articles) and the pages on which they start ;; Table of contents, or Contents, a table or list of topics in a book, showing their order and the place where they may be found: a summary.. |
| 12:53.11 | IDontDoNicks | tralala, i like to read, to learn. :) |
| 12:53.21 | Bombo | contents == files like dpkg -L foo for installed packages |
| 12:53.22 | tralala | liable: another model with the same model number and a different chipset is what I mean. And of course the salesman has assured me that the chipset is the same |
| 12:53.31 | simonrvn | Bombo: apt-file |
| 12:53.39 | Bombo | simonrvn: ok |
| 12:53.45 | liable | tralala: once again, dont trust salesmen :) |
| 12:53.49 | simonrvn | that'll help anyway, or see PDO |
| 12:53.57 | simonrvn | !pdo |
| 12:53.58 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 12:54.04 | tralala | IDontDoNicks: this is great - we'll just tell you what to read. I don't think anyone's going to tell you more than this anyhow. |
| 12:54.06 | simonrvn | Bombo: ^^ |
| 12:54.22 | Bombo | apt-file search capisuite ? |
| 12:54.30 | tralala | liable: thanks for the advice, ahem |
| 12:54.31 | liable | tralala: if i were you, i would go and shove it up his lying ass |
| 12:54.44 | simonrvn | not sure now, see the --help |
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| 12:55.17 | simonrvn | you can't shove it up his ass if he's lying down |
| 12:55.26 | simonrvn | well, on his back anyway |
| 12:55.29 | tralala | liable: it will not solve the real problem unfortunately, though I have to admit it'll make me feel much better |
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| 12:56.05 | liable | tralala: yes it will at least get you your money back and you can buy a supported card |
| 12:56.07 | aeronadix | I don't have apt-file command here |
| 12:56.16 | liable | !installit |
| 12:56.17 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 12:56.55 | liable | night |
| 12:57.09 | tralala | liable: actually this card is supported in 32bit and works ok. My problem is that my main computer is 64bit where only atheros works ok |
| 12:57.11 | simonrvn | see you |
| 12:57.21 | tralala | liable: sleep tight |
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| 13:04.36 | DaveyB | how do you remove a directory and all it's sub directorys from the console? |
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| 13:04.50 | valdyn | DaveyB: rm -r |
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| 13:04.53 | DaveyB | The directorys contains files |
| 13:04.54 | lokuciej | Hi, when I run "ssh HOSTNAME xterm" to run xterm via ssh, which initialization file will be read to set the environment? |
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| 13:05.33 | sep | lokuciej, try ssh -X |
| 13:05.44 | DaveyB | valdyn, thankyou |
| 13:05.50 | tralala | DaveyB: use with extreme care - I've reinstalled more than once because of this command |
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| 13:06.55 | lord_rob | Nobody knows if something could prevent xchat, firefox and thunderbird from resolving names (DNS) correctly ? |
| 13:07.02 | lokuciej | sep: X forwarding is already running. But I get the message "bash: line 1: xterm: command not found" |
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| 13:07.18 | valdyn | lord_rob: which program is resolving names correctly? |
| 13:07.19 | sep | lokuciej, try the full path then |
| 13:07.24 | MrNaz | lord_rob is everything else resolving OK ? |
| 13:07.25 | lokuciej | However, "ssh HOSTNAME /usr/bin/X11/xterm" works |
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| 13:07.42 | MrNaz | lord_rob check if they are configured to use socks proxies |
| 13:07.53 | lokuciej | sep: but there must be a way to define PATH for ssh connections |
| 13:08.46 | lord_rob | valdyn: MrNaz KDE apps (konqueror and ksirc what I'm using for chatting here) resolve correctly |
| 13:09.22 | valdyn | lord_rob: in a shell, what does 'host www.google.de' tell ? |
| 13:09.25 | MrNaz | check if the KDE apps are using socks proxies, and if so, copy that config to firefox/xchat/tbird |
| 13:10.11 | lord_rob | valdyn: www.google.be is an alias for www.google.com (and more lines but I don't want to flood) |
| 13:10.21 | sep | lokuciej, if i ssh host echo $PATH i do have a path set |
| 13:10.37 | lord_rob | valdyn: it also works for google.de |
| 13:10.41 | valdyn | lord_rob: alright, so you seem to be able to resolve names just fine |
| 13:10.59 | kombi | spank me if that question is too stupid but which arch is amd sempron? i386? amd64? |
| 13:11.07 | valdyn | lord_rob: which proxy settings are there in firefox? |
| 13:11.10 | MrNaz | valdyn i suggest that his system is configged to use socks, but ff, xchat and tb arent picking up the correct configs. |
| 13:11.10 | lord_rob | yes, seems so, so the problem is not that |
| 13:11.31 | lord_rob | valdyn: I don't use a proxy. A gateway/IP masquerading (IPCop box) |
| 13:11.32 | valdyn | MrNaz: he can resolve names just fine |
| 13:11.43 | sep | kombi, i386 |
| 13:12.23 | valdyn | lord_rob: i dont care about that, im asking your to check the settings |
| 13:12.38 | kombi | sep: thanks! then I see no pssible way to install sarge with nvidia sata..sigh |
| 13:12.57 | sep | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 13:12.58 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
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| 13:13.47 | kombi | sep: just did that but no luck |
| 13:13.48 | lord_rob | valdyn: as I've just told you, Firefox is configured not to use a proxy. |
| 13:13.48 | sep | you mean that sata controller need a 2.6.17 kernel ? |
| 13:13.48 | valdyn | lord_rob: alright, now what about kde? |
| 13:13.48 | sep | or that you forgot to swap to tty2 to load it's driver module ? |
| 13:14.02 | sep | the kernel may support it, but the automagic hardware detectino tools dont know about it. |
| 13:14.06 | kombi | sep: I am not sure, I just tried a custom image with 2.6.26 but it does not see the disks.. |
| 13:14.29 | lord_rob | valdyn: direct connection also. You know enerything worked correctly just 2 hours ago |
| 13:14.34 | sep | kombi, if a livecd (knoppix) works you can do a chroot install. |
| 13:14.42 | valdyn | lord_rob: please look the settings up, dont just tell me you did, i dont want to hunt for obscore errors before i know that makes sense |
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| 13:15.11 | valdyn | lord_rob: alright now, lsmod | grep ipv6 |
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| 13:15.24 | sep | kombi, ofcouse if your hardware is not supported in the 2.6.16 kernel it wont work no matter what. |
| 13:15.38 | lord_rob | valdyn: I've just checked kde settings. Kde is configured to connect directly to the internet (no proxy) |
| 13:15.48 | sep | kombi, next time think before buying :) |
| 13:15.56 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 13:15.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.18 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm (See creator's warnings) |
| 13:16.11 | kombi | sep: I'll try a live cd now. How do you chroot install? mount proc and go? |
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| 13:16.17 | lord_rob | valdyn: I also have a problem with aptitude. It doesn't seem to resolve correctly either |
| 13:16.24 | sep | kombi, try the 2.6.18 first. |
| 13:16.28 | lord_rob | (when updating sources.list) |
| 13:16.30 | abrotman | read the warnings! |
| 13:16.39 | kombi | ok! |
| 13:16.41 | sep | ofcouse you may haev to swaw to tty2 to load the kernel module on thatone too. :) |
| 13:16.50 | HNT | Hello everybody, is there a program which can transcode avi file to mpeg ? |
| 13:16.52 | valdyn | lord_rob: yea , i just wanted to ask you to try wget, but obviously only kde tools function properly |
| 13:17.12 | valdyn | lord_rob: lsmod | grep ipv6 |
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| 13:18.08 | lord_rob | valdyn: ipv6 228064 12 |
| 13:18.44 | lord_rob | valdyn: wget also fails |
| 13:18.54 | valdyn | lord_rob: fails doing what? fails resolving? |
| 13:19.13 | lord_rob | valdyn: wget www.google.com ---> Resolving www.google.com... failed: Name or service not known. |
| 13:20.14 | valdyn | lord_rob: show your /etc/resolv.conf please |
| 13:20.31 | sep | lord_rob, check /etc/enviorment |
| 13:20.31 | lord_rob | ok |
| 13:20.45 | valdyn | sep: looking for what? |
| 13:21.22 | sep | proxies anythnigs |
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| 13:21.46 | lord_rob | valdyn: resolv.conf : search local \n nameserver 192.168.1.1 \n nameserver 195.238.2.21 \n nameserver 195.238.2.22 |
| 13:22.12 | valdyn | lord_rob: so your local nameserver is functioning? |
| 13:22.22 | lord_rob | valdyn: note that ping www.google;com pings correctly |
| 13:22.35 | lord_rob | google.com |
| 13:22.49 | lord_rob | valdyn: yes seems so |
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| 13:23.00 | valdyn | lord_rob: dig @localhost www.google.de |
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| 13:23.32 | valdyn | lord_rob: and 'echo $http_proxy' |
| 13:24.27 | fraux | Hi, how do I make my PINNACLE USB Pro Stick (TvTuner) works with debian ? I compiled the "mercurial" toolkit and ran modprobe em28xx and it went successful but nor VLC nor MythTV nor Kaffeine nor TvTime are able to use the tuner why ? |
| 13:24.47 | valdyn | lord_rob: sorry, i didnt mean localhost , but 192.168.1.1 |
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| 13:25.52 | DaveyB | fraux, you can just go into the terminal make the directory in /mnt like "mkdir /mnt/usbpen" and mount it using "mount /dev/sda1/ /mnt/usbpen", then access it through /mnt/usbpen :) |
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| 13:26.22 | fraux | DaveyB it's a tvtuner not a pendrive |
| 13:26.30 | lord_rob | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3993 |
| 13:26.36 | DaveyB | fraux, my apologise. |
| 13:26.40 | fraux | ;) |
| 13:27.56 | lord_rob | valdyn: my local DNS seems to work correctly |
| 13:28.09 | abrotman | fraux: does dmesg say anything about irt ? |
| 13:28.24 | fraux | no |
| 13:28.37 | abrotman | that's probably not a good sign :( |
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| 13:28.52 | infernixx | hrm. on this fresh install, nfs-common wont install properly. when it's started it seems to break. it's probably something trivial; dns works, lo interface is up. anything else i could be overlooking? |
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| 13:29.37 | fraux | btw the proc i followed is right ? mean it had to work after compiling and installing the "mercurial stuff" and after modprobe of te em28xx driver ? or i missed something ? |
| 13:29.37 | infernixx | 'invoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-common, action "start" failed.' is the exact error. just cant figure out what i'm missing. bloody mondays :) |
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| 13:30.02 | sime | can you burn an ISO with cdrdao ? |
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| 13:31.49 | infernixx | problem solved in and by itself. i need a break |
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| 13:33.39 | knoxy | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match to running kernel debian? |
| 13:34.18 | dvs | knoxy: it depends if you installed the headers packages or not |
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| 13:34.50 | infernixx | knoxy: apt-cache search kernel-header, then install the package compliant with the running kernel (uname -r) |
| 13:36.06 | knoxy | dvs, infernixx I've installed a kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 13:36.26 | infernixx | knoxy, dpkg -L kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 13:36.34 | azeem | knoxy: also, install linux-kernel-headers |
| 13:36.38 | dvs | knoxy: then it should be in /usr/src/kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 13:36.51 | azeem | .... depending on what you are trying to do |
| 13:37.01 | knoxy | infernixx, kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 13:37.21 | knoxy | dvs, hmm |
| 13:37.27 | infernixx | knoxy, capital L. dpkg -L. |
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| 13:37.45 | knoxy | dvs, /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-3 |
| 13:37.52 | infernixx | knoxy, there you go. |
| 13:37.58 | dvs | knoxy: if you're running 2.6.8-3 |
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| 13:38.24 | knoxy | dvs, I running kernel 2.6.8-3 |
| 13:38.34 | knoxy | *I'm |
| 13:38.46 | knoxy | infernixx, all right |
| 13:39.24 | SlayerXP | what's the debian approved place to put bind master zone files? /var/named ? |
| 13:39.30 | PumpkinPie | is half duplex 100 megabit possible ? |
| 13:40.19 | knoxy | infernixx, dvs azeem Thanks for all |
| 13:40.26 | wilcox | PumpkinPie: why do you want that? |
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| 13:47.34 | Trewas | PumpkinPie: mii-tool at least allows to set 100mbit half-duplex, AFAIK all 100mbit ethernet hardware supports full-duplex |
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| 13:48.22 | Mille | which ftpd is the default for debian? i used the gui to install a "file server". |
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| 13:48.44 | kombi | tried sarge with 2.6.18 on nvidia sata now but no luck, what's that about dropping into tty and loading a/the module? |
| 13:49.17 | kombi | sep? |
| 13:50.51 | kombi | abrotman? |
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| 13:52.39 | abrotman | kombi? |
| 13:52.54 | abrotman | kombi: afaik .. should work with even a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 13:53.08 | abrotman | kombi: any other distro work with it ? |
| 13:53.21 | abrotman | Mille: probably not one you'd actually want to use |
| 13:53.32 | kombi | abrotman: I must be doing something weired here, I'll try knoppix on that box now |
| 13:54.03 | Mille | abrotman, no? how do i uninstall it then? need to know the name of it. ;-) |
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| 13:54.30 | abrotman | Mille: dpkg -l | grep ftp |
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| 13:54.58 | Mille | abrotman, only a ftp client |
| 13:55.19 | Mille | then i guess it didn't install any |
| 13:55.40 | abrotman | is anything listening on port 21? netstat say anything ? |
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| 13:56.36 | abrotman | eh .. there was no DWN last week ? |
| 13:56.44 | Mille | just checked. nope. wired. cause i did choose the "file server" option |
| 13:57.17 | kombi | abrotman: knoppix works like a charm.. |
| 13:57.24 | Mille | and so does ubuntu |
| 13:57.25 | Mille | xD |
| 13:58.16 | lord_rob | Anybody knows what could cause "wget www.google.com --> Name or service not known" but "ping www.google.com" pings 66.249.93.99 correctly ? |
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| 13:58.23 | kombi | abrotman: what was it about installing chroot? mount both drives and mount /proc and go from there? |
| 13:58.49 | abrotman | kombi: lspci .. find out what controllr it is |
| 13:58.58 | abrotman | Mille: fileserver is WAY different than ftp server |
| 13:59.40 | lord_rob | telnet www.google.com does not work either : |
| 13:59.42 | lord_rob | :/ |
| 14:00.05 | abrotman | nslookup and dig and host ? |
| 14:00.17 | Mille | abrotman, do they min smb-server or something? |
| 14:00.35 | Mille | samba, huh? |
| 14:00.35 | abrotman | mean samba .. yes .. probably .. or nfs |
| 14:01.01 | abrotman | !samba |
| 14:01.01 | dpkg | somebody said samba was a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 14:01.11 | lord_rob | abrotman: everything works correctly |
| 14:01.18 | kombi | abrotman: nVidiea MCP51 Serial ATA Controller (rev a1) |
| 14:01.58 | kombi | nothing so special, should be in the kernel I reckon |
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| 14:02.09 | Mille | abrotman, ok :-) thanks for the help. |
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| 14:03.19 | lord_rob | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3998 |
| 14:03.53 | lord_rob | I suspect a bigger problem :/ |
| 14:06.33 | abrotman | kombi: use google .. find more info |
| 14:06.36 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 14:06.37 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 14:06.43 | kombi | abrotman: on it.. |
| 14:07.22 | lord_rob | gnu pthreads was updated today. Could it be broken ? |
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| 14:07.53 | azeem | lord_rob: why do you use GNU pthreads? |
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| 14:08.02 | azeem | anyway, nslookup doesn't use pth |
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| 14:09.20 | lord_rob | azeem: I don't know, but it seems a common dependancy for many programs, doesn't it ? |
| 14:09.36 | azeem | lord_rob: I don't think so, what is the package name? |
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| 14:10.35 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.08 | azeem | unless you have libpthread-dev installed and compile things against it, about nothing should use that library, but rather the glibc internal one |
| 14:11.48 | lord_rob | azeem: it's used by gnupg |
| 14:12.00 | azeem | lord_rob: can you paste the relevant output? |
| 14:12.01 | azeem | !paste |
| 14:12.02 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 14:12.23 | lord_rob | azeem: isn't gnupg used by secure apt ? Because now aptitude is completely broken, telling me all packages I have come from an untrusted source :/ |
| 14:12.38 | azeem | lord_rob: can you paste the relevant output? |
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| 14:12.54 | abrotman | kombi: you should be able to find where linux initially supported that controller .. or if maybe knoppix is using some closed driver |
| 14:13.12 | lord_rob | azeem: if I knew what the relevant output was, I would have done so but I'm completely stuck here :/ |
| 14:13.38 | kombi | abrotman: ok.. |
| 14:13.52 | azeem | lord_rob: so why do you think gnupg uses it? |
| 14:13.52 | abrotman | kombi: lsmod from knoppix might help |
| 14:14.12 | lord_rob | azeem: because aptitude tells me so |
| 14:14.20 | azeem | lord_rob: eh, so paste that? |
| 14:14.21 | RichiH | how do i flush my dns cache, again? |
| 14:14.25 | kombi | abrotman: just booting it again.. |
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| 14:14.55 | abrotman | RichiH: jiggle the handle |
| 14:14.57 | highneko | Where's screensaver config in gnome gconf-editor for glmatrix? |
| 14:15.17 | abrotman | there's a gnome-screensaver applet |
| 14:15.18 | RichiH | abrotman: i don't know why, i can just not remeber this stuff |
| 14:15.30 | abrotman | RichiH: you should always flush .. jeez |
| 14:15.49 | kombi | there was some way to not boot x in knoppix, just can't remember.. |
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| 14:15.57 | kombi | never mind.. |
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| 14:16.02 | abrotman | RichiH: restart ncsd ? |
| 14:16.23 | Bombo | apt-get install rpm2cpio E: Couldn't find package rpm2cpio - where can i find it? |
| 14:16.37 | abrotman | RichiH: erm .. nscd :) |
| 14:16.40 | azeem | Bombo: in the rpm package, maybe |
| 14:16.44 | azeem | Bombo: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:17.08 | stew | heh, i got mail from myon which (among other things) asked if i ever IRC |
| 14:17.13 | abrotman | really ? |
| 14:17.21 | stew | (myon in his front desk role) |
| 14:17.21 | abrotman | he doesn't know your secret identity ? |
| 14:17.26 | Bombo | azeem: no response from dpkg |
| 14:17.40 | azeem | Bombo: works fine here |
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| 14:17.53 | abrotman | oh .. and myon doesn't irc here anymore |
| 14:17.55 | stew | abrotman: it was a form letter, just sent from fd@nm |
| 14:17.59 | Bombo | i did /msg dpkg search rpm2cpio |
| 14:18.01 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
| 14:18.05 | stew | abrotman: i finally signed up |
| 14:18.10 | kombi | abrotman: idea's are coming.. was it forcedeth that one needs? |
| 14:18.23 | abrotman | i think that's for LAN |
| 14:18.29 | kombi | right.. |
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| 14:18.32 | abrotman | !forcedeth |
| 14:18.33 | dpkg | forcedeth is, like, the open-source nvidia ethernet driver, for nforce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 kernels or higher |
| 14:18.49 | abrotman | see people .. this is why you shouldn't buy nvidia hardware! :) |
| 14:18.53 | RichiH | abrotman: if you googles that.. i don't have it installed ;) |
| 14:18.56 | RichiH | googled |
| 14:19.13 | kombi | now what does klaus do to see nvidia sata.. |
| 14:19.24 | abrotman | RichiH: you mean just on a client? i thought you meant a server/bind box |
| 14:19.28 | lord_rob | azeem Check http://shiva-x.no-ip.info/capture9.png (screenshot proving what I told you) |
| 14:19.29 | infernixx | funny thing about forcedeth is that in the code it says it supports 1000mbit, but in the kernel it's listed under the 10/100mbit drivers |
| 14:19.31 | Bombo | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! libbeecrypt6 libneon25 libsqlite3-0 librpm4 rpm |
| 14:19.57 | Bombo | how can i get rid of that message? |
| 14:20.05 | abrotman | put the key in |
| 14:20.18 | Bombo | put what key where in? |
| 14:20.19 | lord_rob | Bombo: did you just upgrade sid ? |
| 14:20.32 | Bombo | lord_rob: i dist upgraded to etch |
| 14:20.45 | kombi | abrotman: lsmod in knoppix returns nvidia_agp and forcedeth, other than that not much leading to sata.. |
| 14:20.49 | lord_rob | ah this is not the same problem then |
| 14:21.13 | azeem | lord_rob: that's gnupgsm, not gnupg |
| 14:21.13 | abrotman | kombi: paste the whole list somewhere |
| 14:21.24 | Bombo | abrotman: put what key where in? |
| 14:21.52 | abrotman | Bombo: should say something like 987AB234EEF can't be authed or something |
| 14:21.52 | lord_rob | gnupg-agent is not gnupg ? |
| 14:22.34 | azeem | no |
| 14:22.36 | Bombo | abrotman: nope just what i pasted |
| 14:22.40 | azeem | it's the 1.9x version |
| 14:22.44 | kombi | abrotman: gotta ifconfig route add that box first.. |
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| 14:22.48 | Bombo | ok plus Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y |
| 14:22.48 | abrotman | Bombo: run apt-get update |
| 14:23.48 | azeem | I'd be interested why it Build-Depends on libpth-dev, though |
| 14:23.51 | Bombo | $ apt-get update |
| 14:23.51 | Bombo | Get:1 http://ftp2.de.debian.org etch Release.gpg [189B] |
| 14:24.01 | PumpkinPie | after I execute update-exim4.conf whats the output file ? |
| 14:24.05 | Bombo | looks like a key |
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| 14:27.38 | Bombo | "99% [53 Packages rred 6840320]" |
| 14:27.42 | Bombo | rred? ;) |
| 14:28.05 | azeem | it's not a typo |
| 14:28.50 | PumpkinPie | its french |
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| 14:31.31 | Bombo | mon dieu |
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| 14:31.52 | kombi | abrotman: pastebin.com/803242 |
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| 14:33.13 | kombi | and here's lspci: pastebin.ca/195415 |
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| 14:37.27 | shinobi2 | for mc, is there a why to show line numbers on the left? as it does for vim, emacs etc... |
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| 14:39.22 | kombi | abrotman: are you still around? |
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| 14:41.57 | abrotman | kombi: sorry .. moment |
| 14:42.08 | MarGarina | do you people have rdma group in /etc/group? |
| 14:42.09 | kombi | no problem.. |
| 14:42.39 | MarGarina | udevd is configured to use it; however I don't have such a group. this makes troubles. |
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| 14:42.40 | Chandu | hey , odes any one worked or working on building custom debian CD |
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| 14:43.37 | danbrwn | trying for about the 5th time to get my sound working, i have ran alsaconf numerous times, Have a built in sound device and a sound card, could this be confusing alsaconf |
| 14:43.46 | abrotman | kombi: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#nvidia |
| 14:44.01 | dvs | danbrwn: you compiled your own kernel? |
| 14:44.19 | danbrwn | dvs: no, but have to use sid |
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| 14:44.53 | abrotman | kombi: can you also paste `lspci -n` ? |
| 14:44.59 | kombi | coming.. |
| 14:45.16 | abrotman | yeah .. use pastebin.ca .. pastebin.com is a wreck |
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| 14:46.29 | kombi | I noticed..;) |
| 14:46.57 | kombi | abrotman: pastebin.ca/195427 |
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| 14:48.33 | abrotman | kombi: good job .. oyu broke pastebinca! |
| 14:48.38 | danbrwn | how to go about troubleshooting alsa, mine will not work, have to sound devices, one is built in the other is a soundblaster card |
| 14:48.49 | Bhavesh | what?! |
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| 14:49.01 | abrotman | aw crap |
| 14:49.03 | danbrwn | should have read two sound devices |
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| 14:49.51 | kombi | abrotman: so far I managed to never brake other peoples stuff, only my own..;) |
| 14:50.09 | kombi | the latter big time though |
| 14:50.13 | PumpkinPie | hi pumpkin0 |
| 14:50.13 | Fox_1_ | which ftp server support virtual hosts? |
| 14:50.15 | Bhavesh | kombi: well congratulations..it's the first time you broke someone's stuff :) |
| 14:50.25 | abrotman | kombi: need lspci -n .. not lspci |
| 14:50.31 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:50.32 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:50.41 | SlayerXP | Fox_1_: many of them do |
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| 14:50.51 | Chandu | Hi , How do I register my nick name for xchat ..So that a common name will be used for all the channels .. Now Iam using differebt nick names |
| 14:50.55 | abrotman | Fox_1_: apt-cache search ftp virtual |
| 14:51.01 | abrotman | Chandu: /msg nickserv help |
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| 14:51.24 | kombi | abrotman: that was exactly what lspci -n returned.. some other option maybe? |
| 14:51.29 | pumpkin0 | Chandu: X-chat => serverlist => freenode => edit => nickserv. |
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| 14:52.01 | Chandu | pumpkin0: thank you |
| 14:52.09 | abrotman | kombi: should be more like http://channels.debian.net/paste/3999 |
| 14:52.11 | Chandu | abrotman,: thank you |
| 14:52.20 | jooopyme | Bash question: how do I return a string from a function? |
| 14:52.35 | abrotman | ask #bash |
| 14:52.40 | ChrisW | hmm, just started getting "connection refused" from my smtp server that's been happilly running and stable for a year or two now... how do I start debugging this? (it's a debian box, latest stabel exim I believe...) |
| 14:52.49 | ChrisW | nothing obvious in mainlog |
| 14:52.53 | ChrisW | nothing in paniclog |
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| 14:53.28 | kombi | abrotmann: try 4000 |
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| 14:53.44 | kombi | (great number, I feel special..) |
| 14:53.52 | yos | hi |
| 14:54.07 | asg | ChrisW: does 'netstat -ntlp' show exim listening on port 25? |
| 14:54.14 | xai | anyone know if native support for HP 2600n (via foo2zjs) works.? Their website says not to use native, but id rather use native than an external (untested) filter. |
| 14:54.36 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 14:54.36 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 14:54.48 | abrotman | kombi: 10de0266YesnVidia CorporationMCP51 Serial ATA Controllersata_nv |
| 14:54.52 | ChrisW | looks like inetd is listening on port 25 |
| 14:54.53 | yos | i get this error when i try to apt-get install apache2 |
| 14:54.55 | abrotman | kombi: says sata_nv should work |
| 14:54.56 | yos | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.03 | pandrew | hi! i've been trying to write a script that creates .md5 files for each file in a directory , recursively. the problem that i have until now has problems with files with spaces in their filename. can someone help? |
| 14:55.21 | asg | ChrisW: then maybe some tcpwrappers got configured? does 'pkill -HUP inetd' fix things? |
| 14:55.43 | kombi | abrotman: supposed to be in the kernel since 2.6.8 though.. |
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| 14:55.57 | asg | pandrew: find /mnt/point -type f -print0 | xargs -0 cmd |
| 14:56.11 | ChrisW | asg: yep, it did |
| 14:56.20 | ChrisW | what was the problem? how can I find when it died? |
| 14:56.38 | Bombo | may i ask a compile/c question here? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4001 |
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| 14:56.52 | pumpkin0 | pandrew: escape all strings/name with "" |
| 14:57.01 | asg | ChrisW: hard to say I'm afraid. Maybe /var/log/daemon.log has something relevant |
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| 14:57.35 | ChrisW | asg: Oct 9 15:42:26 server1 inetd[284]: smtp/tcp server failing (looping), service terminated |
| 14:57.46 | Lubomir | have someone here an pcmcia-umts-card running with linux? |
| 14:58.01 | ChrisW | can anyone make sense of that? I feel n00b today ;-) |
| 14:58.24 | abrotman | kombi: i noticed :) |
| 14:58.34 | abrotman | kombi: try the debian installer .. might hav eto manually load it |
| 14:58.48 | kombi | how do? |
| 14:59.27 | valdyn | pandrew: show your script or the part for your list of files in your for loop |
| 14:59.33 | kombi | I mean, ..does one to that? |
| 14:59.39 | asg | ChrisW: well, it's either a bug in exim or inetd. You might stop using inetd and just have exim listen on port 25 directly. |
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| 15:00.24 | abrotman | kombi: once the installer is started .. go to ctrl-alt-f2 .. modprobe it |
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| 15:01.19 | ribasushi | greetings |
| 15:01.31 | lord_rob | I'm back. Here I am using an Ubuntu live cd. Using the CD firefox works without any problem. Now if I mount my debian partition and chroot into it, wget still fails, telling me it cannot resolve www.google.com :/ |
| 15:02.25 | azeem | lord_rob: did you check /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 15:02.27 | ribasushi | with the apache2 package, if I want to make serverwide changes is it the policy to edit apache2.conf or just override stuff by duplicating directives with different values in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ? |
| 15:02.34 | ChrisW | asg: heh, well, I'm slowly moving to postfix on another machine anyway, so I'll just punt for now ;-) |
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| 15:03.32 | ribasushi | lord_rob: did you mount proc? |
| 15:03.46 | ribasushi | lord_rob: in the chroot that is |
| 15:04.01 | Bhavesh | what about network? is network up? |
| 15:04.03 | Bhavesh | just a thought |
| 15:04.04 | ribasushi | lord_rob: and what does your /etc/resolv.conf in the chroot read |
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| 15:05.15 | lord_rob | ribasushi: search local \n nameserver 192.168.1.1 \n nameserver 195.238.2.21 \n nameserver 195.238.2.22 |
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| 15:05.43 | kombi | abrotman: that was great help, I never knew that one has mutiple consoles in that installer, see if I can get it now (with my three different backports) |
| 15:05.45 | pandrew | http://paste.uni.cc/10712 |
| 15:06.06 | ribasushi | lord_rob: so far so good, is you /proc (within the chroot) mounted? |
| 15:06.38 | lord_rob | ribasushi: hmmm doubt so. Is something needed to mount /proc ? |
| 15:06.57 | ribasushi | lord_rob: usually a couple of keystrokes are needed :) |
| 15:07.13 | pandrew | valdyn: http://paste.uni.cc/10712 |
| 15:07.25 | ribasushi | lord_rob: no proc - no net connectivity - check your mount manual |
| 15:07.25 | kombi | mount -bind /proc /where/you/want/it |
| 15:07.25 | abrotman | kombi: did it work ? |
| 15:07.27 | lord_rob | ribasushi: I've just mounted /dev/hde8 and chrooted into the mount point |
| 15:07.27 | pandrew | pumpkin0: didn't help: http://paste.uni.cc/10712 |
| 15:07.34 | kombi | abrotman: still trying.. |
| 15:07.37 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:07.56 | lord_rob | ribasushi: then how comes I can ping www.google.com ? |
| 15:08.03 | pandrew | asg: nice, but how do i redirect it into individual files? (filename.md5) |
| 15:08.39 | ribasushi | lord_rob: from the chroot or from the outside? |
| 15:09.48 | tarzeau | is there any good OCR software for linux? it doesn't matter if it's non-free, proprietary and expensive... |
| 15:09.58 | tarzeau | (no gocr is not good) |
| 15:10.08 | lord_rob | ribasushi: to summarize the situation, I can surf the web using konqueror, and use kde irc client (ksirc) but firefox cannot resolve names (DNS). aptitude cannot either |
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| 15:10.57 | lord_rob | ribasushi: also xchat cannot resolve. Hence I suspect a broken network lib, which kde does not use |
| 15:11.11 | dvs | lord_rob: what is at 192.168.1.1? Is that your computer or a server of some sort? |
| 15:11.14 | pumpkin0 | pandrew: your loop is wrong. the "in" fetches every word, not every line. |
| 15:11.25 | ribasushi | lord_rob: where does your chroot come into play (are the programs you listed as non working in the chroot and the rest on the cd?) |
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| 15:11.51 | lord_rob | dvs: this a gateway. This machine is connected to my ADSL modem and shares the internet to the local network |
| 15:12.10 | onurx | can I use debian for IBM mainframes? |
| 15:12.21 | pumpkin0 | onurx: yes. |
| 15:12.22 | azeem | onurx: s/390? |
| 15:12.23 | azeem | yes |
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| 15:12.46 | lord_rob | ribasushi: well, I was talking of my debian box, and not of this chroot. Now that I'm using a live cd and chrooting, the problem persists |
| 15:13.01 | onurx | z series, ... any of them= |
| 15:13.03 | kombi | abrotman: can do modprobe in the installer and sata_nv is there but disks are not found, maybe I should give up for today.. |
| 15:13.38 | kombi | (allthough I hate to do that..) |
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| 15:13.52 | lord_rob | kombi: are you trying to install debian etch ? |
| 15:14.02 | kombi | lord_rob: no, stable |
| 15:14.16 | lord_rob | kombi: using 2.4 or 2.6 kernel ? |
| 15:14.21 | kombi | 2.6 |
| 15:14.41 | ribasushi | lord_rob: I was just saying that once you chroot you don't see proc anymore from within the chroot (it is mounted at toplevel) so chances are you will not have any internet within the chroot |
| 15:14.42 | lord_rob | kombi: try 2.4. I had simillar problems with sarge installer and SATA |
| 15:14.58 | ribasushi | lord_rob: as far as your main problem - I came in later |
| 15:14.59 | kombi | really? ok.. |
| 15:15.07 | lord_rob | ribasushi: but I can ping google.com within the chroot |
| 15:15.20 | kombi | rebasushi: mount -bind /proc /to/somewhere |
| 15:15.24 | azeem | lord_rob: eh, 2.4 is better than 2.6 for sata? |
| 15:15.35 | ribasushi | lord_rob: so you are saying in the chroot half of your programs resolve and half don't ? |
| 15:15.49 | azeem | onurx: do you have a z-series? |
| 15:15.52 | lord_rob | azeem: kombi: of course no. But the hdd is detected as a standard IDE disk |
| 15:16.07 | wols | lord_rob: what sata chipset? |
| 15:16.09 | onurx | azeem:no I just want to learn , if I can use it |
| 15:16.16 | azeem | onurx: learn what? |
| 15:16.21 | azeem | you can in theory use it, yes |
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| 15:17.04 | lord_rob | ribasushi: yeah sort of. But whatever it is in the chroot or in the real debian system, the problems are the same. That's why I suspect a broken network lib |
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| 15:17.40 | azeem | lord_rob: you said it works with konqueror? |
| 15:17.40 | lord_rob | wols: I don't know exactly. On my thinkpad R52. I suppose it's an intel chipset |
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| 15:18.09 | igraltist | hi |
| 15:18.10 | ribasushi | lord_rob: is just DNS resolution a problem or network connectivity as well? (have you tried openiong something by IP) |
| 15:18.14 | lord_rob | azeem: yes, but not in the chroot actually |
| 15:18.22 | azeem | ? |
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| 15:18.29 | igraltist | what i need when i have a sd-card-reader? |
| 15:18.36 | lord_rob | konqueror cannot connect to the X server |
| 15:18.50 | lord_rob | damn ubuntu |
| 15:18.51 | kombi | lord_rob: oh my god.. |
| 15:18.52 | wols | lord_rob: then you need a newer kernel for install 2.6.16 should do it. Or just use etch |
| 15:18.53 | azeem | lord_rob: but when you boot it for real, konqueror works? |
| 15:18.54 | pandrew | pumpkin0: then how should i fetch every line? |
| 15:18.59 | dvs | igraltist: sd_mod and usb_storage |
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| 15:19.08 | pandrew | sorry, i'm a little new to this |
| 15:19.17 | igraltist | dvs, thx |
| 15:19.19 | lord_rob | azeem yes and so does ksirc |
| 15:19.40 | pumpkin0 | pandrew: wait a sec ... |
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| 15:20.36 | lord_rob | wols: no problem with that. I installed sid using 2.4 then upgraded to 2.6. I was just trying to help kombi |
| 15:20.58 | pumpkin0 | pandrew: join #flood |
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| 15:22.05 | abrotman | gah .. he left |
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| 15:22.24 | pandrew | pumpkin0: i'm in |
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| 15:23.06 | lord_rob | damn, I leave, be back with kanotix |
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| 15:24.20 | Kurtism | hello |
| 15:24.28 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 15:24.33 | Kurtism | did anybody see what I typed before I got disconnected? |
| 15:24.48 | SpeedyG | hey guys, where does debian hides its grub.conf? |
| 15:25.22 | PumpkinPie | I have a coin operated statue on my front lawn that can answer any linux question you have for 25 cents. |
| 15:25.23 | Kurtism | I said, how come doing this: make-kpkg --append-to-version=.9oct2006 kernel_image ..... Produces this: linux-image-2.6.18.9oct2006_2.6.18.9oct2006-10.00.Custom_i386.deb ... the append-to-version is DUPLICATED... any ideas why? |
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| 15:25.38 | pumpkin0 | SpeedyG: /boot/grub/ |
| 15:26.08 | Kurtism | linux-image-2.6.18.9oct2006_2.6.18.9oct2006-10.00.Custom_i386.deb <-- that's an awful long name for a kernel |
| 15:26.14 | Bhavesh | hehehe |
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| 15:27.09 | Bhavesh | is some enviroment variable set that makes it repeat it self? |
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| 15:27.20 | abrotman | Kurtism: how about =.20061009 ? |
| 15:27.24 | cr3 | anyone happen to know of a tool to map a network, ie show hosts connected to the lan, operating systems, etc. |
| 15:27.26 | abrotman | i guess it's not much better |
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| 15:27.44 | abrotman | Kurtism: honestly .. i used to do like =.atb1 |
| 15:28.11 | Kurtism | abrotman: it seems duplicates the --append-to-version part no matter what I type |
| 15:28.22 | Kurtism | it seems to |
| 15:28.33 | Bhavesh | what if you don't type anything? --apend-to-version="" |
| 15:28.34 | Bhavesh | ? |
| 15:28.59 | abrotman | Kurtism: yeah .. it will .. it's not duplication |
| 15:29.17 | abrotman | Kurtism: once installed it will be linux-image-2.6.18.9oct2006 or so IIRC |
| 15:29.25 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 15:29.27 | Kurtism | ok |
| 15:29.35 | abrotman | you can try and see for yourself .. |
| 15:29.38 | abrotman | without installing i mean |
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| 15:29.48 | Kurtism | ok |
| 15:30.00 | Kurtism | I was reading this guide: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#TREE-KERNEL-PKG |
| 15:30.09 | abrotman | and it's right |
| 15:30.45 | abrotman | Kurtism: dpkg -I linux-image-2.6.18.9oct2006_2.6.18.9oct2006-10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
| 15:30.51 | abrotman | Kurtism: dpkg -I linux-image-2.6.18.9oct2006_2.6.18.9oct2006-10.00.Custom_i386.deb | grep Package |
| 15:31.11 | abrotman | Kurtism: what's the result ? |
| 15:31.15 | pandrew | pumpkin0: thanks, it works now |
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| 15:31.49 | Kurtism | wifibox:/usr/src# dpkg -I linux-image-2.6.18.9oct2006_2.6.18.9oct2006-10.00.Custom_i386.deb | grep Package |
| 15:31.49 | Kurtism | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.49 | Kurtism | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.00 | abrotman | see ... |
| 15:32.05 | abrotman | that's not so bad |
| 15:32.09 | Kurtism | yeah |
| 15:32.39 | Bhavesh | hehe |
| 15:32.39 | abrotman | feel better now? or do you need some hot cocoa? |
| 15:32.40 | Kurtism | its just odd |
| 15:32.40 | Kurtism | because in the guide his .deb file wasn't super long like that |
| 15:32.41 | SpeedyG | pumpkin0: its not harmful to 'remove' items from menu.lst right ? |
| 15:32.48 | abrotman | they may have made changes to kp since then |
| 15:32.58 | lunitik | SpeedyG: depends what you remove.... |
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| 15:33.19 | SpeedyG | two of the boot-items that shouldnt be used |
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| 15:33.30 | realist | cr3: nmap - funnily enough |
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| 15:33.49 | lunitik | SpeedyG: if you know why you're removing... go ahead... just don't start removing random things ;) |
| 15:33.51 | abrotman | Kurtism: did you read his note there ? |
| 15:34.01 | abrotman | Kurtism: under "Kernel Package names" ? |
| 15:34.02 | pumpkin0 | SpeedyG: it depends on the definition of "harmful" and the items. Upload the file and mark the things you want to remove. |
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| 15:34.16 | Bhavesh | !hotcocoa |
| 15:34.20 | abrotman | :coffee lunitik |
| 15:34.20 | Bhavesh | does bot know about that? |
| 15:34.24 | abrotman | !offee lunitik |
| 15:34.25 | Kurtism | which note |
| 15:34.26 | abrotman | !coffee lunitik |
| 15:34.35 | Bhavesh | yummy |
| 15:34.43 | lunitik | mmm... sounds tasty |
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| 15:35.09 | Kurtism | I didn't have a revision set |
| 15:35.38 | Kurtism | kernel-image-(kernel-version)(--append-to-version)_(--revision)_(architecture).deb |
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| 15:36.34 | lunitik | simonrvn: come to Arizona, and I'll get you a cuppa? |
| 15:36.37 | abrotman | !coffee simonrvn |
| 15:36.54 | cr3 | realist: I only used nmap for getting information from a specific host, I'll read the manpage to get network information |
| 15:36.56 | simonrvn | mmm, too bad a gross coffee, no name |
| 15:37.14 | simonrvn | instead of that fine jamaican stuff |
| 15:37.20 | simonrvn | brb |
| 15:37.39 | SpeedyG | pumpkin0: items like these: http://pastebin.ca/195469 |
| 15:37.56 | realist | cr3: you'd be looking to "ping scan" an entire subnet, I presume |
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| 15:38.54 | pumpkin0 | SpeedyG: you are dead if that is your only kernel.... |
| 15:39.12 | SpeedyG | pumpkin0: one of the three, the only one thats not supposed to be booted at all |
| 15:39.13 | Bac9 | how do I set the maximum AGP speed? (is it a kernel driver parameter or only an X parameter)? |
| 15:39.23 | lunitik | pumpkin0: grub has an edit feature... its neato |
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| 15:39.54 | SpeedyG | but anyway, it appears the box istn coming back online anyway... |
| 15:40.00 | pumpkin0 | SpeedyG: OK, go ahead. But do not touch the other stanzas. |
| 15:40.12 | SpeedyG | gotta look into it later tonight when i'm back home :) |
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| 15:40.49 | suppaman | hello |
| 15:40.59 | lunitik | @hi suppaman |
| 15:41.02 | ravenbird | Many greetings, suppaman, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 15:41.09 | lunitik | Wow, slow bot |
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| 15:41.29 | dvs | lunitik: drunk |
| 15:41.36 | dvs | lunitik: the bot that is |
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| 15:41.53 | lunitik | dvs: mhmm... haha |
| 15:41.57 | suppaman | I'm using start-stop-daemon to start vnc as a user |
| 15:42.36 | suppaman | but when opening a xterm the working dir is / while I'd like to have the home directory instead, how can I fix this ? |
| 15:42.59 | zinx | suppaman: make it run the shell as a login shell |
| 15:43.15 | cr3 | realist: cool! nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 returned very exciting information! |
| 15:43.36 | suppaman | zinx: nope, I need to start it when the computer boots up |
| 15:43.42 | zinx | suppaman: make it run the shell as a login shell |
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| 15:43.57 | suppaman | zinx: oh sorry, maybe I didn't understood |
| 15:43.59 | zinx | suppaman: where 'it' is 'xterm' |
| 15:44.10 | suppaman | :-) |
| 15:44.15 | simonrvn | lunitik: nah, sits idle a fair amount, probably swapped out |
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| 15:45.05 | suppaman | zinx: isn't there a way to have start-stop-daemon change dir instead ? Otherway every program will prompt for files starting at / |
| 15:46.45 | zinx | suppaman: i'm sure there is |
| 15:46.46 | lunitik | simonrvn: bots take up rather a lot of mem huh? especially with the database size of the apt/dpkg/etc bots |
| 15:46.58 | simonrvn | ~20 MB |
| 15:47.03 | simonrvn | @status |
| 15:47.03 | ravenbird | Since Sun Sep 24 04:15:06 2006, there have been 4 modifications, 35 questions, 10 dunnos, 0 morons and 47 commands. I have been awake for 15d 11h 31m 56s this session, and currently reference 20855 factoids. I'm using about 24420 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4472.5/279.14 child 0.01/0.1 |
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| 15:47.27 | realist | cr3: nmap is _very_ handy |
| 15:48.00 | lunitik | simonrvn: not quite as bad as I though... hmm |
| 15:48.07 | lunitik | thought* |
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| 15:49.03 | simonrvn | it's bloated, but mem management is pretty good; many of the leaks are gone |
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| 15:49.23 | abrotman | finally ... |
| 15:49.32 | simonrvn | heh |
| 15:49.32 | valdyn | !nmap |
| 15:49.32 | dpkg | i heard nmap is a Free Software port scanner written by Fyodor. It is used to evaluate the security of computers, and to discover services or servers on a computer network. http://www.insecure.org/nmap or don't do anything you wouldn't want done to yourself. |
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| 15:50.26 | wols | lunitik: when you think that a factoid is maybe 100 chars avg, that's 2,1MB. For 2.1MB 24MB RAM usage is quite a bit |
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| 15:50.57 | astral | hi |
| 15:51.10 | cr3 | realist: no kidding, it even has xml output! that's exactly what I was looking for |
| 15:51.14 | astral | what is the name of font on "Debian" logo? |
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| 15:51.56 | realist | cr3: why xml? |
| 15:52.09 | Jhonny1009 | hello all |
| 15:52.19 | cr3 | realist: for some reason, I mistakently did nmap -sX -sP 192.168.1.0/24 which generated XML output but also generated a list of interesting ports per host. however, that was a mistake because -sX should take a file name as argument, I wonder how I could get that list of interesting ports in the xml as well. |
| 15:52.19 | jerb | astral: what? |
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| 15:52.26 | astral | does anyone know? :) |
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| 15:52.37 | suppaman | zinx: maybe a cd /home/suppa && start-stop-daemon |
| 15:52.46 | cr3 | realist: I'd like to generate a mapping of the lan on a web page |
| 15:52.56 | Jhonny1009 | i see that debian is HUGE , can I download only 1-2 cds and try out the basics? |
| 15:53.06 | dvs | Jhonny1009: yes |
| 15:53.08 | valdyn | Jhonny1009: or only the first one |
| 15:53.15 | Jhonny1009 | what is the minimal? |
| 15:53.25 | valdyn | !cd contents |
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| 15:53.25 | dvs | Jhonny1009: Actually, if you have an internet connection, you can download only the parts you want |
| 15:53.25 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
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| 15:53.37 | astral | jerb: name of font that is used on offical debian logo? |
| 15:53.41 | lord_rob | back on my sid box ... |
| 15:53.44 | astral | :) |
| 15:53.50 | realist | cr3: don't use -sP, and "port scan" the whole subnet... rather than using a ping scan |
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| 15:54.32 | Jhonny1009 | dvs: yes but i'll be installing in vmware wich I can't configure to use the net |
| 15:54.47 | Jhonny1009 | where can I finnd what each cd contains? |
| 15:54.53 | simonrvn | ^^ |
| 15:54.58 | dvs | ^^ |
| 15:55.17 | simonrvn | read what's in front o' ya! :) |
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| 15:55.43 | bulio| | how come my memory continually creeps higher and higher? |
| 15:55.47 | cr3 | realist: oh cool! I could just provide the network as argument instead of a single host, neat! |
| 15:55.54 | Jhonny1009 | silly me |
| 15:56.00 | bulio| | When I do a fresh boot, I have 380mb of ram, 370k free |
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| 15:56.12 | bulio| | after one day, I have 5804k free according to top |
| 15:56.17 | valdyn | bulio|: probably because your box hasnt been in use for long enough, it would remain near full all the time then after a while |
| 15:56.18 | realist | G'night all. |
| 15:56.19 | helo | i'm having some trouble starting aterm, it says it can't find the "white" color |
| 15:56.34 | bulio| | valdyn: what do you mean? |
| 15:56.40 | valdyn | !ram |
| 15:56.40 | dpkg | somebody said ram was (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_! ram!, or a male sheep, or a type of car |
| 15:56.57 | valdyn | bulio|: that your memory is ideally full |
| 15:56.58 | helo | strace shows it trying to access ~/.Xdefaults many times, and then finally /usr/lib/X11/Xcms.txt before it exits |
| 15:57.08 | pumpkin0 | bulio|: it may be the disc-cache slowing filling up. That´s normal. |
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| 15:58.34 | simonrvn | !free ram |
| 15:58.35 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 15:58.45 | astral | simonrvn> !free ram |
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| 15:58.47 | simonrvn | !free memory |
| 15:58.47 | abrotman | !free willy |
| 15:58.47 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 15:58.56 | abrotman | oh well .. worth a shot |
| 15:58.56 | g00se | telinit 2 didn't seem to shut down various X processes - was i naive? |
| 15:59.05 | simonrvn | unzip it |
| 15:59.08 | bulio| | pumpkin0: so that's ok? |
| 15:59.14 | pumpkin0 | bulio|: yes. |
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| 15:59.26 | simonrvn | g00se: uh, duh. it's default |
| 15:59.58 | g00se | simonrvn: sorry - didn't get you - what's default? |
| 16:00.01 | simonrvn | g00se: debian doesn't do the "start X in rc 5" thing |
| 16:00.08 | simonrvn | rc 2 |
| 16:00.11 | g00se | Ah |
| 16:00.21 | suppaman | zinx: lol I jumped this option |
| 16:00.32 | lunitik | g00se: Debian's default runlevels 2-5 are exactly the same |
| 16:00.33 | suppaman | d|--chdir path |
| 16:00.33 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.16 | g00se | OK. What the best way to (remotely) shutdown all X? |
| 16:01.25 | suppaman | bye |
| 16:01.26 | helo | sniper rifle |
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| 16:01.31 | lunitik | g00se: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 16:01.31 | valdyn | g00se: 'all' ? |
| 16:01.31 | pumpkin0 | g00se: kill the loginmanager. |
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| 16:01.58 | g00se | OK. That'd be xdm in my case. Just did that actually |
| 16:01.58 | simonrvn | ^^, the common ones are xdm, gdm, kdm |
| 16:02.02 | lunitik | g00se: or xdm or kdm or entrance depending |
| 16:02.09 | simonrvn | ok, so it should be stopped then |
| 16:03.03 | g00se | Yep it is. It didn't help to stop resource strain though. I'm trying to run LAMP with ~60Mb RAM (!) |
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| 16:03.39 | simonrvn | YIKES |
| 16:03.40 | abrotman | and you're running X why? |
| 16:03.43 | Bhavesh | i thought LAMP needs power, not memory |
| 16:03.46 | Bhavesh | :) |
| 16:03.52 | simonrvn | mem helps ;) |
| 16:04.03 | Bhavesh | how do you power LAMP with memory? :) |
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| 16:04.18 | g00se | abrotman: Well i ran xfce4 momentarily |
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| 16:04.45 | abrotman | if it were me .. i'd uninstalll most of what i could to get X gone |
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| 16:05.27 | simonrvn | trust me, if you don't have enough mem, that power is going to get wasted swapping |
| 16:05.44 | simonrvn | i mean RAM, not just VM |
| 16:05.56 | uwe | hello, im running etch, i installed the bare minimum, but i cant find killall and lspci for example, how do i know which package has them? |
| 16:05.57 | g00se | I don't spose it'd help to increase swap... |
| 16:06.17 | pumpkin0 | g00se: it will not really speed up things. |
| 16:06.25 | simonrvn | only so much you can do ... |
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| 16:07.07 | abrotman | !tell uwe about search |
| 16:07.27 | strk | how can I change the framebuffer to 15bpp mode ? (fbset ?) |
| 16:07.28 | g00se | Yes. I think i'm fighting a losing battle. It's PC100 memory too which is relatively expensive as it's a dinosaur |
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| 16:07.49 | pumpkin0 | g00se: use PC133 ? |
| 16:08.02 | simonrvn | g00se: i got some cheap a little while ago, but it was PC133 |
| 16:08.12 | simonrvn | 2 sticks for 30 |
| 16:08.31 | abrotman | some PC133 can clock down |
| 16:08.38 | uwe | thank you abrotman , i found killall, but not lspci ! |
| 16:08.39 | simonrvn | hint: used computer parts and repair store |
| 16:08.39 | wols | abrotman: all of it usually can |
| 16:08.42 | simonrvn | yup |
| 16:08.45 | g00se | Some people say it's not wise tomix PC100 and 133 |
| 16:08.56 | abrotman | wols: usually being the key word :) |
| 16:08.56 | wols | uwe: pciutils |
| 16:08.56 | abrotman | uwe: pciutils |
| 16:09.00 | simonrvn | it's all 133 here anyway ;) |
| 16:09.01 | wols | abrotman: never seen one that didn't |
| 16:09.17 | abrotman | wols: neither have i .. been told it exists ... but i haven't bought any in a long time |
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| 16:09.38 | pumpkin0 | g00se: it´s not wise to mix RAM from different brands or even models. But it works most of the time ... |
| 16:09.53 | wols | like my DDR166 memory can run fine on 133 (says so in SPD eeprom), just at tighter CAS timings |
| 16:09.54 | g00se | >>some PC133 can clock down Yeah but if you buy over the web and it doesn't, you're stuffed really |
| 16:10.05 | simonrvn | g00se: i was worried like you, but this machine has been running stably for a while on it |
| 16:10.09 | uwe | thanks, any hints how i can find such info in the future wols , abrotman ? |
| 16:10.10 | abrotman | if you mix PC133 and PC100 .. even in a box that takes PC133 .. it will clock both at PC100 |
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| 16:10.23 | simonrvn | yes |
| 16:10.27 | abrotman | uwe: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search lspci |
| 16:10.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: i wasn't asking :) |
| 16:10.40 | realist | Meanwhile... I'm looking for 512MB sticks of RAMBUS |
| 16:10.48 | g00se | So you both reckon it's worth the risk? |
| 16:10.54 | wols | uwe: packages.debian.org |
| 16:10.57 | abrotman | g00se: get it someplace you can return it if it doesn't work |
| 16:10.58 | simonrvn | abrotman: i know :) |
| 16:11.04 | wols | apt-file always downloads a shitload of stuff |
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| 16:11.17 | abrotman | wols: nice to have a local place to search |
| 16:11.20 | g00se | abrotman: that's tricky these days in the UK |
| 16:11.29 | abrotman | g00se: go through trash bins ? :) |
| 16:11.36 | wols | abrotman: no. if there is no net, I can't get the package anyways :) |
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| 16:11.51 | g00se | The box is virtually out of the trash bin ;-) |
| 16:11.52 | abrotman | wols: you might have local CDs |
| 16:11.54 | wols | and the amount of files needed for apt-file update doesn't justify its use imho |
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| 16:12.08 | abrotman | it requires one file for each repo's subset |
| 16:12.17 | simonrvn | g00se: this one too ;). the 30 gb drive in it was fetched from the curb 10 days ago |
| 16:12.18 | wols | locate CDs? ah! you mean netinst ones. they're small enough a grep will work |
| 16:12.25 | abrotman | wols: i meant a full set |
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| 16:12.40 | wols | abrotman: what's that? must be a myth |
| 16:12.41 | s0crates | hello everyone, how do I know what dns i'm using..? |
| 16:12.49 | abrotman | wols: local CDs? like the full set ? |
| 16:12.56 | wols | nobody could own enough CDs to fit all of debian |
| 16:13.07 | wols | so stop spreading rumours |
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| 16:13.46 | dorel__ | s0crates: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:13.48 | jaciline | Ola pessoal!!!!!!! |
| 16:14.15 | dorel__ | wols: i cant even imagine that. it'd be hell to look through them for a specific package |
| 16:14.32 | s0crates | dorel__: thanks |
| 16:14.36 | stew | !br |
| 16:14.36 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 16:14.49 | abrotman | wols: it's true! |
| 16:15.04 | wols | abrotman: balderdash |
| 16:15.10 | abrotman | dorel__: apt keeps track of which CD you need |
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| 16:15.23 | Bhavesh | i downloaded like 9 cd's for someone so they can install things from cd without having net access |
| 16:15.32 | dorel__ | abrotman: yeah but im talking manually to search the cds for something would be hell. |
| 16:15.32 | wols | dorel__: debian 2.0 prompted me to "put in CD X" when it wanted a package from CD X |
| 16:15.47 | abrotman | dorel__: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 16:15.48 | abrotman | :) |
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| 16:16.04 | dorel__ | abrotman: oooh a new dpkg command im learning, lemmi look :) |
| 16:16.06 | wols | abrotman: heck even dselect did that :) |
| 16:16.14 | abrotman | wols: yep it did |
| 16:16.28 | abrotman | wols: he meant to manually search the CDs for a package .. instead of having apt know |
| 16:16.34 | abrotman | though .. why you'd do that .. i don't konw |
| 16:16.36 | dorel__ | abrotman: cool :) |
| 16:16.53 | abrotman | mm .. food |
| 16:17.05 | wols | hmmm... back in the days of 2 or 3 CD debian... long gone |
| 16:17.28 | dorel__ | i never downloaded more than 1 cd of *anything* |
| 16:17.28 | abrotman | all the way back to slink ... |
| 16:17.35 | dorel__ | it literally annoys me |
| 16:17.39 | abrotman | dorel__: it used to be the full distro was 3 cds |
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| 16:17.47 | abrotman | or waity .. slink was two i thikn |
| 16:17.52 | abrotman | oh well |
| 16:17.53 | dorel__ | abrotman: which was that? woody? |
| 16:18.00 | stew | woody was 11, iirc |
| 16:18.11 | stew | or was it 8? |
| 16:18.21 | abrotman | 7 |
| 16:18.27 | dorel__ | ummm i think im talking about a 2.1 or 2.x something |
| 16:18.37 | abrotman | !dstats slink |
| 16:18.47 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on slink... 2664 packages, 365 maintainers, 2885 MB installed size, 1124 MB compressed size. |
| 16:18.58 | abrotman | that'd be two CDs |
| 16:19.11 | abrotman | potato was three .. i think .. woody .. seven iirc |
| 16:19.12 | dorel__ | stew: i still have that 2.x something package on my cd collection. ill picture it and put it on imageshack or something :) |
| 16:19.25 | dorel__ | oh potato, thats the one. which version was that? |
| 16:19.30 | wols | not quite. mine had an "extra" disk with the usuall stuff that didn't make the freeze or whatever |
| 16:19.45 | stew | i think i still have a 23 floppy set of yggsdrasil at my parents house |
| 16:19.46 | Bhavesh | dorel__: try to sell it on ebay as collector's item :) |
| 16:19.53 | DanBrwn | debian sid, cards file in proc/asound/cards file changes after reboot. I run alsaconf and set up second sound card, audio works, reboot, cards file changes no audio |
| 16:20.12 | dorel__ | Bhavesh: no way im keeping it all to myself :) |
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| 16:20.54 | roxy_ | My printer stoped working. I try to log in as admin in localhost:631 but was refused. I got this message in /var/log/cups/error_log: |
| 16:20.59 | roxy_ | E [09/Oct/2006:18:21:26 +0200] cupsdAuthorize: pam_authenticate() returned 3 (Error in service module)! |
| 16:21.09 | roxy_ | Any idea where it comes from ? |
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| 16:21.39 | dorel__ | yep, potato is 2.2 |
| 16:22.46 | roxy_ | DanBrwn: I am running unstable and have to alsaconf each time I reboot. |
| 16:22.56 | Bhavesh | dorel__: i got into debian i think at 2.2 or something and i mostly have used net installs so no cd to keep |
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| 16:23.55 | dorel__ | roxy_: check /etc/pam.d/login or /etc/pam.conf |
| 16:24.25 | smcavoy_ | hello. I have a sarge system (running xorg from backports). x seems to be repeating keystrokes at random i.e. pressing "e" will some times result in eeeee. I don't seem to have a problem in the console. Any suggestions as to what to look for? |
| 16:24.26 | dorel__ | Bhavesh: yep. and i have to say that net installs are the best. i cant even imagine anything else. |
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| 16:25.05 | DanBrwn | roxy_: does your system sounds work after you do that? I can play audio but none of the system sounds work, which is annoying |
| 16:25.06 | DbD- | smcavoy_ you use kde ? |
| 16:25.34 | roxy_ | DanBrwn: it works |
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| 16:26.08 | smcavoy_ | DbD-, I have had the problem in other wm |
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| 16:26.13 | DbD- | ok |
| 16:26.16 | DanBrwn | hmm, can anyone tell me why my system sounds dont work? |
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| 16:26.43 | jpdp | Does anyone know the theoretical max CD burn speed for a Pentium 75/32MB system on which the burner is on a PIO4 controller, and the HDD is SATA? |
| 16:27.02 | SAJChurchey | Can I make qpopper stand-alone in Sarge? Or do I have to compile it from source? I need to be able to run it w/out inetd. |
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| 16:27.17 | Area-51 | i just installed debian and im trying to start x and it says it can open the fond 'fixed'.. i dont see any xfonts entry for fixed in apt-cache, i also installed a few xfonts-... and still didnt work... what package should i install? |
| 16:27.20 | SAJChurchey | Can anybody help me? |
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| 16:27.32 | jpdp | And also what the theoretical max burn speed would be with the burner on that same machine but with the burner on a DMA controller? |
| 16:27.33 | lord_rob | Hi again ! Still with my problem. "telnet www.google.com 80" ===> telnet: could not resolve www.google.com/80: Name or service not known. Any further troubleshooting help ? (ping www.google.com works ok) |
| 16:27.47 | _Brandon_ | Area-51: try xfonts-base |
| 16:27.55 | Area-51 | _Brandon_: aaah, thanks :) |
| 16:27.59 | h3sp4wn | jpdp: On something that old I would use a scsi burner |
| 16:28.08 | roxy_ | dorel__: what should I look for in /etc/pam.d/login ? |
| 16:28.15 | DanBrwn | how do i enable system sounds? |
| 16:28.16 | smcavoy_ | jpdp, theoretically... 133MBPS is the pci bus bandwidth. realistically it should be able to handle whatever |
| 16:28.19 | eeyore- | lord_rob: content of /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 16:28.24 | dorel__ | roxy: any chance you played with that? |
| 16:28.29 | jelly-home | does joe editor support utf8 input? |
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| 16:28.49 | roxy_ | dorel__: no. |
| 16:29.01 | dorel__ | roxy: do you have a /var/log/lastlog also? |
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| 16:29.21 | lord_rob | eeyore-: search local \n nameserver 192.168.1.1 \n nameserver 195.238.2.21 \n nameserver 195.238.2.22 \n |
| 16:29.25 | jpdp | h3sp4wn: SCSI is too costly for using the burner as a secondary backup burner. It's not the primary burning station it's a "hmm, the other system's burner drive is in use, but I can toss it in this one" type of thing :) |
| 16:29.43 | roxy_ | dorel__: I got a /var/log/lastlog. How do you read it ? |
| 16:29.47 | dorel__ | roxy: that error is something wrong with the pam environment. i'd check those pam files again, try matching them up against other configs |
| 16:29.52 | dorel__ | roxy: with the lastlog command :) |
| 16:29.57 | eeyore- | lord_rob: and 192.168.1.1 is your router? i'm guessing that you're not opening outbound tcp/udp port 53 to just any machine, right? |
| 16:30.00 | roxy_ | dorel__: thanks |
| 16:30.33 | lord_rob | eeyore-: 192.168.1.1 is an IPCOP firewall/router/gateway box |
| 16:30.39 | jpdp | smcavoy: 133 would be ok, but yeah....what's the PIO4 max speed? |
| 16:30.40 | damejiar | does anybody knows about configuring Secure Digital Card Reader in Debian? |
| 16:31.00 | roxy_ | dorel__: I had that question in my lpi exam this morning, I couldn't answer (the lastlog command) |
| 16:31.10 | eeyore- | lord_rob: OK now your IPCOP ... does it have that DNS forwarding checkbox turned on? forgot exactly how the label reads |
| 16:31.11 | lord_rob | eeyore-: and the local dns works ok, I'm sure of that |
| 16:31.32 | jpdp | smcavoy: Fitting a secondary controller in there along with the sata would be a tight squeeze for space (darn case has brackets for the serial ports...and very short cables) |
| 16:31.37 | dorel__ | roxy: did you pass? |
| 16:31.41 | roxy_ | dorel__: yes |
| 16:31.45 | roxy_ | :-) |
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| 16:31.51 | lord_rob | eeyore-: I don't have any problem with any other machine on the lan |
| 16:31.53 | eeyore- | lord_rob: also, on the IPCOP box itself (look at its admin interface, 192.168.1.1:81) what does it see as its official name servers? |
| 16:31.59 | dorel__ | roxy: hehe awesome, congrads. |
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| 16:32.24 | roxy_ | dorel__: thanks. I am just doing it for the fun. I am a java developer in my real life :-) |
| 16:32.38 | dorel__ | roxy: whats your impression of the lpi? my friends were trying to get me do an rhce exam with them but i was a bit reluctant... |
| 16:32.56 | eeyore- | lord_rob: let's look at the IPCOP box first, then we'll come back to the machine that you're having problems with |
| 16:33.05 | lord_rob | ok eeyore- |
| 16:33.19 | simonrvn | it sees 'linux' and the IIS server cuts the bandwidth allocation down ;p |
| 16:33.25 | eeyore- | lord_rob: because i've run into some bugs with IPCOP before :-) |
| 16:33.55 | lord_rob | eeyore-: well, the ipcop box has been running fine for a quite long time before |
| 16:34.19 | jelly-home | jpdp: you have a sata controller in a P75? |
| 16:34.23 | eeyore- | lord_rob: ok, if you don't want to look at IPCOP, the only other suggestion i have is look at /etc/nsswitch.conf on the machine you have problems with |
| 16:34.31 | simonrvn | fuck, and i just guessed it was an IIS server... |
| 16:34.38 | roxy_ | dorel__: not too expensive so can do it for fun. Otherwise it is like any exam. Having it doesn't makes you a competent sys ad. Studying for it is interesting. |
| 16:34.39 | simonrvn | Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 |
| 16:34.45 | Area-51 | is there a specific package for Eterm? |
| 16:34.50 | eeyore- | lord_rob: keep in mind the IPCOP bugs i was referring to had to do with DNS, specifically it kept the wrong IP's for DNS servers in its cache and never letting go |
| 16:34.52 | simonrvn | yes |
| 16:34.59 | lord_rob | eeyore-: another thing I forget (and which is important), is that I'm talking to you using this same box. With ksirc I have not this resolve problem |
| 16:35.02 | eeyore- | lord_rob: so reboots wouldn't work |
| 16:35.55 | Area-51 | well, i tried apt-cacheing for eterm but i just cant find it |
| 16:36.01 | eeyore- | roxy_: do they have "Certified Red Hat Bug Fixers" cert? |
| 16:36.04 | jelly-home | Area-51: which release are you using? |
| 16:36.10 | lord_rob | eeyore-: resolving problem appear with thunderbird/firefox also with telnet and apt-get :/ |
| 16:36.51 | lord_rob | this is the reason why I suspect a broken lib problem on this sid box before suspecting my ipcop box |
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| 16:37.08 | jelly-home | Area-51: there's an eterm package in unstable but not it testing, I don't know about stable |
| 16:37.15 | roxy_ | eeyore-: LPI certification is for both redhat and debian. You have to know both. You should start you're own certification and makes lots of money :-) |
| 16:37.29 | Area-51 | jelly-home: im using testing (etch) |
| 16:37.43 | jelly-home | !why is eterm not in testing |
| 16:37.43 | dpkg | eterm is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=eterm |
| 16:37.45 | lunitik | simonrvn: that IIS statement directed at me? heh... most IIS hosted sites aren't THIS bad... blah... so many friends are on there though :( |
| 16:37.48 | Area-51 | so id prolly have to do it from source? |
| 16:37.56 | simonrvn | beat me to it jelly-home :) |
| 16:38.13 | Area-51 | hehe |
| 16:38.16 | Area-51 | kthx :) |
| 16:38.31 | simonrvn | lunitik: i stay away from there, too many of them stealing bandwidth (by hotlinking pics ...) |
| 16:38.35 | jelly-home | Area-51: yeah, I guess building it could work. |
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| 16:39.37 | Area-51 | is there a way to check what resolution xorg is running at? im loading fluxbox and things look massive like its in low-res or something.. |
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| 16:39.45 | lunitik | simonrvn: any way in firefox to not let it do that? (just take from current site...) ? |
| 16:40.14 | jelly-home | Area-51: xdpyinfo among other stuff shows the resolution |
| 16:40.16 | simonrvn | yeh. "load images from current server" |
| 16:40.18 | smcavoy_ | anyone know how to fix a repeating key problem in xorg? randomly it just repeats a keystroke |
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| 16:40.23 | Area-51 | jelly-home: ty |
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| 16:40.45 | simonrvn | konq, FF, and couple others do that |
| 16:40.46 | mcgreg | hi |
| 16:40.56 | h3sp4wn | Area-51: xdpyinfo | awk '/dimensions/ { print $2 }' |
| 16:41.09 | eeyore- | lord_rob: i have some suggestions: (1) /etc/nsswitch.conf, (2) make your box (one that's having problem) go to outside DNS for resolutions. this should determine where the problem lies |
| 16:41.11 | jelly-home | Area-51: btw, when you said "from source", did you mean a backport from unstable or building from upstream tar.gz? |
| 16:41.37 | Area-51 | jelly-home: download the .tar.gz and compile.. |
| 16:41.57 | jelly-home | Area-51: you could try making a trivial backport |
| 16:41.58 | lord_rob | eeyore-: what's /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 16:42.04 | lord_rob | ok check google |
| 16:42.05 | lord_rob | :) |
| 16:42.10 | lunitik | simonrvn: I can't seem to find the option in 2.0 b 2 ... |
| 16:42.12 | Area-51 | jelly-home: sounds like too much work hehe |
| 16:42.36 | wols | Area-51: less work than do it with a backport |
| 16:42.41 | simonrvn | lunitik: yeh, that one is a bit weird. go to about:config, maybe they hid it |
| 16:42.42 | jelly-home | Area-51: a bit, but you get a nice package. ;-) /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:42.53 | Area-51 | ive already got a nice package ;) |
| 16:42.54 | eeyore- | lord_rob: oh, and /etc/host.conf as well |
| 16:42.56 | Area-51 | but thats not the point, hehe |
| 16:43.01 | wols | Area-51: mostly it onvolves downloading a source package from sid and compiling it to a deb |
| 16:43.05 | mcgreg | I have a probem deinstalöling apache2-common: Stopping apache 2.0 web server...apache2: Syntax error on line 116 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/cgi.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_cgi.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_cgi.so: undefined symbol: apr_filename_of_pathname |
| 16:43.08 | mcgreg | and it fails |
| 16:43.10 | Area-51 | wols: not too shabby |
| 16:43.16 | crille | hi there! I have some trouble with apache2.2-common when I upgraded from apache2.0. I cant remove the apache2 packages. have tried apt-get remove -f and dpkg -P |
| 16:43.23 | wols | mcgreg: when you want to run sid, you should know BTS before you start |
| 16:43.24 | crille | mcgreg: same prob here |
| 16:43.32 | simonrvn | mcgreg: lemme guess, you didn't put apache2 on hold, in sid |
| 16:43.47 | crille | true. |
| 16:43.58 | mcgreg | simonrvn: you dont need to guess ;) |
| 16:44.06 | simonrvn | tsk tsk. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 16:44.10 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 16:44.20 | crille | any ideas on how to remove it? |
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| 16:44.26 | simonrvn | downgrade it |
| 16:44.38 | crille | I'll try. tnx! |
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| 16:45.39 | simonrvn | deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool apache2; deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool apache2; use aptitude to choose the version, then you can deal with dep hell adequately. |
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| 16:46.07 | simonrvn | you lucky i dealt with this weeks ago ;) |
| 16:46.11 | smax | hiya |
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| 16:51.43 | mcgreg | lol, I got rid of the problem :) |
| 16:52.07 | mcgreg | dunno exactly how, I forced some stuff to be removed and installed, and the problem has gone :) |
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| 16:52.44 | crille | mcgreg: lucky you! HOW did you force the uninstall? |
| 16:53.03 | simonrvn | yeh, that works. the way i shoowed is so you can keep any 3rd party DSOs installed |
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| 16:53.22 | mcgreg | hmm I deinstalled some apache stuff, using dpkg force , then installed some packages again, and voilla :) donbt ask me exactly how ;) |
| 16:53.39 | crille | I promise :-) |
| 16:54.07 | mcgreg | and I had to force installing apache2.2-common too ;) |
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| 16:55.02 | grendal_prime | ok whats the command to view the ca roots vaild times ? |
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| 16:56.24 | Area-51 | brb, installing freebsd |
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| 16:57.07 | grendal_prime | is there a channel for ssl stuff? |
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| 16:57.13 | HNT | Does anybody know how can I transcode an avi file to a mpeg file with ffmpeg (or ohter software) ? |
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| 16:57.34 | Bhavesh | !mplayer |
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| 16:57.34 | Eclipser | mencoder |
| 16:57.34 | dpkg | hmm... mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 16:57.36 | stew | grendal_prime: try /msg chanserv list #*ssl* |
| 16:57.43 | grendal_prime | ya |
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| 16:59.43 | crille | whats wrong with: dpkg --force-downgrade apache2 Am I missing some syntax? |
| 16:59.43 | grendal_prime | stew.. ya nothing active on those |
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| 17:07.36 | fredforfaen | im on sid , switched from kdm to gdm with dpkg-reconfigure gdm then selected gdm as default dm....but at boot it wont start automaticly...i have to log in as root and start gdm there....what do i have to do? |
| 17:07.55 | fredforfaen | dm/lm |
| 17:08.12 | smax | I edited my sources.list accordingly to !fglrx . but fglrx-driver, control, and kernel-src could not be found. http://rafb.net/paste/results/F3cTTl68.html and i of course ran aptittude update |
| 17:08.14 | stew | fredforfaen: "update-rc.d gdm defaults" |
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| 17:08.43 | smax | that is the output of aptitude, and my sources.list |
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| 17:08.58 | fredforfaen | thanks stew |
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| 17:10.46 | wols | smax: it's in contrib and non-free |
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| 17:11.04 | wols | and it's not named kernel-src either |
| 17:11.06 | wols | (IIRC) |
| 17:11.26 | smax | well i just cut and pasted the aptitude line. |
| 17:11.56 | smax | it said to append contrib non-free to the end of a line |
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| 17:12.48 | roxy_ | when trying to log into localhost:631 in administration with root/rootpassword, I am rejected. I got this message: Oct 9 18:21:24 home PAM-warn[22071]: function=[pam_sm_authenticate] service=[cupsys] terminal=[<unknown>] user=[root] ruser=[<unknown>] rhost=[<unknown>] |
| 17:12.54 | smax | i'll just google sources.list contrib non-free that but is of utmost undescriptive |
| 17:13.03 | smax | err bot |
| 17:13.11 | simonrvn | um, you need main in there too |
| 17:13.16 | roxy_ | Shouldn't hte rhost be localhost ? |
| 17:13.28 | k00l | whats a simple end-user database/query application??? |
| 17:13.30 | wols | smax: and you didn't |
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| 17:13.54 | smax | wols line 7 |
| 17:13.55 | wols | or rahter the totally wrong one. do you think fglrx is in the security updates? for sarge? |
| 17:14.15 | wols | you didn't add it to your main repository line but the security one |
| 17:14.24 | smax | oh so i should put it in mirrors |
| 17:14.33 | smax | oh ok |
| 17:14.34 | smax | i |
| 17:14.37 | smax | i'll try that |
| 17:16.07 | wols | following something without the slightest clue or care WHY is a pretty stupid thing to do |
| 17:16.07 | wols | tip: rm -rf / makes your box run faster |
| 17:16.08 | smax | no it doesent |
| 17:16.08 | smax | you're a meanie |
| 17:16.08 | stew | wols: do not do that. ever |
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| 17:16.35 | smax | i just think the bot is the most undescriptive bot ever. it provides a one liner for nVIdia but is an asshole to ATI people |
| 17:17.05 | wols | smax: you're supposed to have some grounding before asking here |
| 17:17.06 | smax | it would have been nice if it said to put contrib non-free at the end of the main line rather than --->a line |
| 17:17.11 | simonrvn | ffs, a person put that in ... a bot can't be an asshole ... |
| 17:17.13 | jelly-home | smax: the information in the bot was written by a user like you. |
| 17:17.41 | smax | how do i know i had enuff grounding before i consult here. those docs are heafty. |
| 17:17.42 | wols | smax: factoids don't release you of the responsibility to think |
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| 17:17.49 | dob1 | hi |
| 17:18.13 | stew | smax: "ati one-liner" and "nvidia one-liner" don't look very different at all. if you feel that <ati one-liner> is missing some info, please add it |
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| 17:18.37 | wols | smax: sucky to be you. you don't have to know all of it. few if any people in here do. but they know the basics _and_ they know where to look when they don't know |
| 17:19.09 | stew | wols: stop being so critical. if you don't want to be helpful, just keep quiet |
| 17:19.18 | simonrvn | fuck, the ati one is more descriptive even |
| 17:19.27 | dob1 | i have some eml files, what can i use to see them? they are html mail and is difficult to read them with a text editor |
| 17:19.50 | wols | stew: and I didn't even say any expletives like simonrvn |
| 17:19.51 | simonrvn | w3m? |
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| 17:20.04 | simonrvn | ... |
| 17:20.22 | roxy_ | dob1: does eml stands for email ? |
| 17:20.23 | smax | wols: i have to konw everything in !grounding just to operate debian ? |
| 17:20.36 | dob1 | roxy_: yes |
| 17:20.38 | wols | smax: read what I said. and I didn't say that |
| 17:20.42 | simonrvn | difference between insulting people and using the word fuck as an adjective or adverb |
| 17:20.51 | stew | wols: say fuck all you want. don't tell people to rm stuff and don't tell people their life is sucky becuase you dont' think they know as much as you |
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| 17:21.06 | simonrvn | exactly my point |
| 17:21.14 | smax | im a C coder. not an IT monkey |
| 17:21.15 | dob1 | simonrvn: w3m doesn't work |
| 17:21.45 | simonrvn | dob1: well, *shrug*.. you said html e-mail, thought might work. is it a binary format? |
| 17:21.50 | roxy_ | dob1: why don't you open them with your browser ? |
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| 17:21.57 | wols | it's a MS format IIRC |
| 17:22.03 | simonrvn | w3m is a browser |
| 17:22.06 | simonrvn | mm |
| 17:22.11 | stew | and a pager |
| 17:22.17 | simonrvn | yes :) |
| 17:22.25 | wols | yep. outlook express electronic mail |
| 17:22.27 | roxy_ | and emacs-w3m rocks |
| 17:22.40 | wols | isn't there perl stuff to decode outlook badness? |
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| 17:22.47 | simonrvn | oh crap. then it's likely to be binary ... |
| 17:22.58 | dob1 | it's not an html file, it's a mail with html inside, just to be clear, it starts with "Return-path" etc etc |
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| 17:23.01 | roxy_ | i didn't know ms had their own mail format . |
| 17:23.13 | simonrvn | there's some script or binary to decode lookout express crap to normal mbox |
| 17:23.48 | wols | supposedly EML is maildir with another name. dob1 have you run less on such an attachment? |
| 17:23.48 | roxy_ | dob1: can't you import it into kmail ? |
| 17:24.24 | wols | dob1: uudecoded of course or mimedecoded or whatever |
| 17:24.40 | dob1 | ok thanks with kmail i can read it |
| 17:25.11 | abrotman | there's an outlook to mbox .. dunno about OE |
| 17:25.20 | simonrvn | readpst - Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others |
| 17:25.27 | simonrvn | kmailcvt - KDE KMail mail folder converter |
| 17:26.22 | simonrvn | found 3 with "aptc search outlook express" and those two with "outlook convert" |
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| 17:29.13 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 17:30.49 | abrotman | you saved oru ass ? |
| 17:31.00 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 17:31.04 | roxy_ | Should I look into cups setting or pam setting with this error: Oct 9 18:21:24 home PAM-warn[22071]: function=[pam_sm_authenticate] service=[cupsys] terminal=[<unknown>] user=[root] ruser=[<unknown>] rhost=[<unknown>] |
| 17:31.11 | nvz | today is a holiday in north america |
| 17:31.22 | abrotman | should be more like "I apologize that my extremely distant relatives totally screwed you over and obliterated your society" |
| 17:32.09 | simonrvn | "that's the thanks we get?! damn, you aren't very nice guests, are you" |
| 17:32.57 | simonrvn | "just send gifts" |
| 17:34.39 | simonrvn | well, i figure it'll sort itself out, if we dialogue peacefully |
| 17:34.52 | roxy_ | is there a pam related channel ? |
| 17:34.58 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:35.27 | simonrvn | roxy_: did you do anyting to PAM? if not, then it's CUPS; you sure you typing in the right password? |
| 17:36.08 | roxy_ | simonrvn: I didn't touch pam and I purge/install cups. I tried the password a million time. |
| 17:36.32 | simonrvn | see the bts then. got me stumped, and might be a bug |
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| 17:37.31 | roxy_ | checked the bts already, couldn't find anything related |
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| 17:37.39 | simonrvn | wth |
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| 17:38.16 | simonrvn | so file a bug report then i guess |
| 17:38.56 | roxy_ | simonrvn: I could, but I don't really if it is a bug or where it is. cupsys or pam or just a config file |
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| 17:39.20 | roxy_ | what package should I reconfigure to get a basic pam set up? |
| 17:39.24 | Defty | trying to install a printer... in which package can I find the 'lp' command? |
| 17:39.27 | simonrvn | what's the cups log say? |
| 17:39.34 | simonrvn | when you try to login? |
| 17:39.48 | Defty | oh, lprng. |
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| 17:39.56 | simonrvn | Defty: lpr, lprng, cupsys-bsd |
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| 17:40.10 | roxy_ | simonrvn: E [09/Oct/2006:18:21:26 +0200] cupsdAuthorize: pam_authenticate() returned 3 (Error in service module)! |
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| 17:40.36 | Kurtism | what do you guys figure would cause SSHd to segfault after compiling a new kernel? |
| 17:40.40 | wols | simonrvn: what happened 450 years ago? |
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| 17:41.02 | Kurtism | I compiled a new kernel and installed it and now when I boot into it sshd segfaults when I try to run it |
| 17:41.25 | Defty | simonrvn: ok another problem, ... when trying to print a test page, I get stuff like "bad printcap name 'Kyocera@130.233.31.110, had '@' character ... ehh.. |
| 17:41.30 | valdyn | Kurtism: why not use a debian kernel? |
| 17:41.36 | Defty | where on earth did it pick up those |
| 17:41.36 | simonrvn | wols: guesstimating the time when the europeans got here, and would've starved to death if the cousins didn't feed them |
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| 17:41.41 | Defty | and why isn't it printing the test page :D |
| 17:41.49 | Kurtism | cause I wanted to install ndiswrapper |
| 17:41.55 | Kurtism | the latest source version |
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| 17:42.00 | roxy_ | Defty: in /etc/printcap |
| 17:42.09 | wols | ah. simonrvn looked in wikipedia couldn't find anything for today or 1656 |
| 17:42.18 | Kurtism | anyway... why do you figure ssh would segfault after a new kernel? |
| 17:42.22 | kakarot | hi, i've seen ftpd is not longer in debian testing, wich ftp server is recomended ? |
| 17:42.28 | roxy_ | Kurtism: you don't need to compile a kernel to get ndiswrapper |
| 17:42.45 | nadim | Anyone know of an open source package which allows one to enter/modify content of PDF files (the fields are there for modification) - I have a PDF which I need to enter my name on (among other things) but with xpdf (its only a viewer) I can't - so what do people use ? |
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| 17:42.48 | simonrvn | wols: anywhere from ~515 years to 350 years, depending on which 'explorer' got to where they were discovered |
| 17:42.52 | wols | !vsftpd |
| 17:42.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ... |
| 17:42.57 | valdyn | kakarot: best = none at all |
| 17:43.02 | simonrvn | but i'm REALLY OT now... |
| 17:43.07 | Defty | roxy_: ok thanks.. now I see what's wrong, .. somehow it thinks i'm under my friends LAN :p |
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| 17:43.25 | simonrvn | roxy_: sounds like pam "service module" |
| 17:43.25 | wols | valdyn: ah, but he said "recommended" :) |
| 17:43.34 | kakarot | valdyn thx |
| 17:43.35 | valdyn | Kurtism: which kernel is this? |
| 17:43.43 | valdyn | kakarot: ;) |
| 17:43.49 | Kurtism | valdyn: 2.6.18 |
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| 17:44.09 | valdyn | Kurtism: have you checked the kernel bts? |
| 17:44.16 | Kurtism | bts? |
| 17:44.20 | roe_ | I am trying to create 2 md arrays (one lvl1 and the other lvl5) I want to mount /boot to the raid1 and / to the raid5 so I have to debootstrap correct? |
| 17:44.23 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 17:44.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:44.25 | valdyn | Kurtism: bug tracking systrem |
| 17:44.29 | Kurtism | oh |
| 17:44.31 | Kurtism | nope |
| 17:44.41 | valdyn | Kurtism: im not talking about the one dpkg is mentioning but the kernel bugzilla |
| 17:44.54 | simonrvn | oh, sorry |
| 17:45.04 | Kurtism | yeah |
| 17:45.16 | nadim | so what do people use to enter fields in PDF docs ? All I can find are PDF viewers are there any "modifiers" out there ? |
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| 17:45.42 | valdyn | Kurtism: its more likely your specific configuration than a kernel bug anyway |
| 17:46.09 | simonrvn | roe_: eh? more like an initrd |
| 17:46.16 | wols | Kurtism: is it "custom custom" or "based on debian .config custom"? |
| 17:46.57 | roe_ | simonrvn: what do you mean |
| 17:47.02 | cahoot | nadim: found this on google: http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/06/0612209&tid=49&tid=47 |
| 17:47.07 | roxy_ | simonrvn: it does sounds like it. Any idea what I could do ? |
| 17:47.23 | Kurtism | ok this is bonkers... I just did "aptitude remove ssh" and then I did "aptitude install ssh" and then I did /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 17:47.28 | simonrvn | well, if you're going to have a root on raid you need an initrd |
| 17:47.29 | tuv | nadim, pdftk |
| 17:47.39 | Kurtism | now it works |
| 17:47.42 | Kurtism | ssh is running |
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| 17:47.53 | simonrvn | nice |
| 17:47.53 | valdyn | Kurtism: so you had a broken file there |
| 17:47.58 | krlos | hi every body |
| 17:48.01 | Kurtism | yeah something was broke |
| 17:48.10 | roe_ | I'd like to use GRUB2 which can load / on raid |
| 17:48.21 | nadim | tuv: with pdftk I get "Done. Input errors, so no output created." though the same file shows fine on xpdf and the various other viewers - any ideas ? |
| 17:48.22 | Kurtism | it said something about /var/run/ssh.pid being gayed up |
| 17:48.35 | valdyn | !gay |
| 17:48.36 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 17:48.40 | roe_ | instead of using a ramdisk |
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| 17:49.04 | w0rd54 | lol |
| 17:49.06 | simonrvn | haven't used grub2 |
| 17:49.06 | w0rd54 | wtf? |
| 17:49.14 | w0rd54 | gentoo is pretty gay |
| 17:49.25 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 17:49.27 | stew | w0rd54: stop |
| 17:49.53 | w0rd54 | stew: I'm not saying anything derogatory |
| 17:50.03 | w0rd54 | stew: you perceive that I am. I'm actually complementing |
| 17:50.14 | stew | w0rd54: whatever you are doing, its off-topic. stop |
| 17:50.26 | w0rd54 | stew: not a problem |
| 17:50.44 | tuv | nadim, i'd try another pdf just to make sure whose fault it is |
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| 17:52.06 | w0rd54 | !stew |
| 17:52.37 | stew | ? |
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| 17:52.49 | w0rd54 | didn't know if it had user related entries in bot |
| 17:52.54 | w0rd54 | some chans have that |
| 17:52.58 | nadim | tuv: same thing - tried 3 known good PDF files |
| 17:52.59 | stew | w0rd54: you can /msg the bot |
| 17:53.00 | simonrvn | some nicks do |
| 17:53.09 | w0rd54 | stew: nice! |
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| 17:54.16 | tuv | nadim, if you only need a hard copy of the filled form, you can use acroread (from debian-multimedia.org) to fill the form and print it. it won't save it |
| 17:54.31 | tuv | nadim, i'm not a frequent user of pdftk, just knows about its existence |
| 17:55.20 | abrotman | nadim: it can be a version issue |
| 17:55.26 | tuv | nadim, did you check pdftk's bugs in BTS |
| 17:55.27 | tuv | ? |
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| 17:56.16 | nadim | tuv: unfortunately, I need to save and mail back the doc - the only other options are to use graphical tools which is a bit odd if you ask me. |
| 17:56.36 | nadim | abrotman: on stable - pdftk 1.12-3 -- will try testing in a minute |
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| 17:57.45 | nadim | tuv: no, not yet |
| 17:59.56 | Kurtism | !lspci |
| 17:59.56 | dpkg | it has been said that lspci is a PCI utility to list all PCI devices. It requires kernel 2.1.82 or better. In the pciutils package, or see pciids |
| 17:59.56 | tuv | one of the anchors holding my laptop's lcd snapped out! looking scary |
| 18:00.01 | nadim | abrotman: same error on 'testing' (1.12-11+b1) - I simply can't get pdftk to actually read _anything_ (pdftk FILE.pdf) |
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| 18:00.26 | jaciline | Ola pessoal!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:00.39 | tuv | something wrong with bugs.d.o? |
| 18:00.51 | omi | Hello, does anyone know how to make intel open source drivers compile? I cannot seem to compile agpgart-2.0 as there's NO instructions whatsoever. http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html |
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| 18:01.15 | valdyn | omi: why would you need agpgart-2.0 ? |
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| 18:01.48 | stew | tuv: its very slow recently |
| 18:02.04 | omi | valdyn, well because the Xorg driver for i965 needs it. |
| 18:02.13 | Red_Cloud | I was using KPackage to upgrade my programs. The program "havp" did not fully install. I need to resolve this problem. Can this be done with KPackage or Synaptic? |
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| 18:02.30 | valdyn | omi: im sure that driver needs agpgart, but intel's agpgart-2.0, hardly |
| 18:03.00 | omi | if you do not believe me, please read the instuction for the xorg driver |
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| 18:03.18 | omi | valdyn, http://intellinuxgraphics.org/xf86-video-i810-1.6.5.tar.bz2 |
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| 18:05.13 | valdyn | omi: all this probably already is in xorg |
| 18:05.35 | omi | uhm, no |
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| 18:05.39 | yos | e2fsprogs need |
| 18:05.46 | valdyn | !i965 |
| 18:05.49 | w0rd54 | aix is pretty ***...I'm trying to get gnu tar installed and it's making me jump thru hoops |
| 18:05.53 | yos | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends |
| 18:05.56 | w0rd54 | I love debian compared to aix ;\ |
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| 18:06.37 | omi | valdyn, have you been able to make integrated 965 core 2 duo motherboards work with linux? any linux? |
| 18:06.40 | bergeere | Hey guys I have jst installed the debian base system (because i want a lean mean install with hardly anything i dont need on there). I want to next install the minimalistic X windows and Xfce4 (so basically enoug X to run xfce4) so it should be fairly fast anyone know what packages i need to install to ge the prior? |
| 18:06.40 | yos | !tell yos about e2fsprogs |
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| 18:07.16 | stew | yos: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 18:07.16 | wols | x-window-system and xfce4 (or just apt-cache search xfce( |
| 18:07.19 | valdyn | omi: no, havent used any at all ever, but how is that related to X? |
| 18:07.37 | omi | X has only support up to i915 I think. |
| 18:07.44 | valdyn | omi: my i810 driver explicitely supports 965G. If that is yours, i dont know |
| 18:07.57 | omi | I thought so too |
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| 18:08.13 | stew | bergeere: x-window-system-core |
| 18:08.15 | omi | there's the i965_dri file ins /usr/X11... modules/ |
| 18:08.22 | valdyn | omi: which X do you have installed |
| 18:08.31 | omi | xorg |
| 18:08.34 | h3sp4wn | omi: The latest kanotix should work (if you have issues with the sata controller) |
| 18:08.41 | valdyn | omi: X -version |
| 18:08.48 | omi | 6.9.0 |
| 18:08.52 | omi | this is on suse 10.1 |
| 18:08.54 | bergeere | stew, so apt-get install x-window-system-core xfce4 should get me what i want then? |
| 18:09.09 | valdyn | omi: very interesting, try a suse support channel |
| 18:09.22 | omi | neither debian nor ubuntu didn't work with it either. |
| 18:09.27 | valdyn | omi: no X 6.9 is in any branch of debian afaict |
| 18:09.28 | stew | bergeere: yes, that will get you ALL of xfce4, which might be more than you are after, you might "apt-cache search xfce4" and install individual packages instead |
| 18:09.39 | bergeere | ok thankyou man! |
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| 18:09.49 | stew | omi: wrong channel |
| 18:10.01 | nadim | this seems like a major issue, no ? There doesn't seem to be any "easy" way to actually modify/fill PDF files. |
| 18:10.22 | valdyn | omi: im sure some debian user has your hardware, but that is beside the point when you are usin ga non - debian X on a non - debian distro |
| 18:10.25 | wols | nadim: pdf simply isn't made to be modified |
| 18:10.41 | tuv | hmm.. http://bugs.debian.org: Unable to connect :( |
| 18:10.47 | omi | stew, the choice of distro doesn't matter, my question was 1. DOES IT WORK, 2. how what do I do with agpgart-2.0 directory which has a makefile, but it doesn't do anything. |
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| 18:11.11 | valdyn | omi: yes i works, its officially supported, period |
| 18:11.29 | wols | omi: and second question we can't know what suse does in their distro. you must ask them |
| 18:11.41 | omi | it is a kernel module |
| 18:11.52 | omi | has only to do with kernel and compiler. |
| 18:12.09 | wols | suses kernel, suses compiler. no debian anywhere |
| 18:12.16 | valdyn | omi: and is likely already in kernel.org kernels |
| 18:12.16 | omi | I've compiled the kernel (to get 2.6.18) from kernel.org |
| 18:12.19 | nadim | wols: sure, but there are plenty ways to do that (freely even) on Windows - why not linux ? Is there not a need for it ? |
| 18:12.31 | omi | so the same thing. |
| 18:12.35 | yos | !tellme about e2fsprogs |
| 18:12.38 | yos | !tell me about e2fsprogs |
| 18:12.47 | nadim | wols: and I'm talking about the now rather common fill-in PDFs that most insurance companies, etc mail out. |
| 18:12.50 | stew | dpkg: tell yos about e2fsprogs loop |
| 18:13.04 | stew | yos: you can /msg (or /query) the bot directly |
| 18:13.06 | yos | stew 10x |
| 18:13.07 | wols | omi: this is all great and well, but you don't run debiana nd we can't and usually won't help you. all you can do from now on is either leave or run debian |
| 18:13.21 | yos | stew yes i try in pm off the boot :) |
| 18:13.45 | omi | wols, well thank you so much for your support, I feel better now, especially about running debian. |
| 18:14.37 | wols | omi: making stupid threats like this won't help you. we don't need more users..... we sometimes tell people to go back to windows when they say things like you just did. well you could go back to suse I guess |
| 18:14.57 | omi | I'mnot making a threat, I'm making a comment that you guys are too hostile. |
| 18:15.12 | Ronin | hostile here? not hardly |
| 18:15.16 | omi | (and I do use debian for all server stuff) |
| 18:15.17 | stew | omi: build the kernel with make-kpkg headers_image which will create a .deb of the kernel headers, after you install them, your /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build symlink will correctly be pointing at your kernel headers, then the agpgart-2.0 makefile will work |
| 18:15.22 | valdyn | interestingly an i965 supporting driver is in debian |
| 18:15.52 | stew | omi: or use a stock debian kernel, and "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uanme -r)" to get the headers needed to compile agpgart-2.0 |
| 18:15.55 | nadim | actually 'flpsed' kinda works but its note entirely what the PDF authors entended (its a graphical tool in that it allows you to enter text anywhere you like instead of certain fields) - so the need for proper PDF fill-in is still out there... |
| 18:15.58 | omi | are you staying here for next 20 min? I'll install debian then. |
| 18:16.12 | octan | lol |
| 18:16.23 | wols | omi: this channel is NEVER empty. it's hard to get below 600 users |
| 18:16.40 | yos | stable have php5.* ? and mysql 5.* ? |
| 18:16.43 | omi | wols, it doesnt' matter how many users there are. |
| 18:16.43 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:16.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:16.50 | stew | yos: no and no. |
| 18:16.50 | wols | omi: no |
| 18:16.56 | wols | erm, yos |
| 18:16.56 | omi | there's only a few that know how to fix a certain problem. |
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| 18:17.04 | valdyn | omi: you need xorg 7.1 ( debian/unstable ) |
| 18:17.10 | valdyn | omi: i didnt see which kernel is required |
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| 18:17.27 | omi | 2.6.18 is needed for something I don't recall though. |
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| 18:17.55 | omi | does unstable CD have support for r1000 ? |
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| 18:18.02 | valdyn | omi: no explicit kernel support may be needed anyway, just standard i810 |
| 18:18.03 | yos | so after i edit source.list and i run upgrade ... i must put beack testing and run dist-upgrade ? to get php5 install ? |
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| 18:18.05 | omi | (realteck 8168 gigabit card) |
| 18:18.20 | crille | hi! dpkg -r --force-depends apache2-mpm-worker apache2.2-common wont remove theese packages. any ideas for a bigger hammer? |
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| 18:18.28 | wols | yos: put back? |
| 18:18.40 | valdyn | crille: force-all |
| 18:18.42 | grendal_prime | is there a way to turn off the valid date checking of openssl? |
| 18:18.46 | yos | i cheange testing to stable ..source.list wols |
| 18:18.47 | crille | tried that :-) |
| 18:18.55 | Ronin | yos: you cant go backwards like that |
| 18:19.01 | wols | yos: that is not possible. no downgrades |
| 18:19.04 | yos | ok :) |
| 18:19.07 | Ronin | at least not without breaking things majorily |
| 18:19.20 | stew | yos: do not install testing packages on stable, use backports.org instead: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 18:19.43 | grendal_prime | like say for instance you had a ca root expire before the Certs did..(werid i know but...well somone changed the config file after the ca root was created) |
| 18:19.48 | JordiGH | I have such a strange problem. There's something wrong with using CUPS for printing to a samba printer. It seems to work, except when a user other than me tries to do it. Then all jobs, according to lpq, are simply stopped once they're sent. I think I saw an NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED message, but I can't replicate it. |
| 18:19.52 | crille | just did a dpkg -r --force-all apache2-mpm-worker apache2.2-common but without success |
| 18:20.13 | JordiGH | And now I can't print either. Jobs just seem to be stopped, but I don't see any error messages. :-( |
| 18:20.22 | simonrvn | grendal_prime: um, that's why you need certs to revoke them |
| 18:20.26 | wols | crille: still that cgi problem? |
| 18:20.34 | crille | yepp |
| 18:20.46 | simonrvn | can't help more than that though :/ |
| 18:20.48 | JordiGH | !force-all |
| 18:20.49 | dpkg | force-all means you're working against the packaging system, not with it. Sometimes packages are broken and it's necessary, but almost always it means you're doing something wrong, and are setting yourself up for bigger problems down the line. YOU NEVER NEED TO USE --force-all. EVER. You might think you do, but YOU DO NOT. Don't fucking use it. |
| 18:20.51 | valdyn | crille: im sure no one can help you if you dont provide your error messages |
| 18:20.58 | wols | is apache2.2 loading that cgi module? or rathre trying to? if so you could edit its config and don't load it? |
| 18:21.11 | omi | wols, does unstable netinstall cd comes with r1000 driver (for realteck 8168 gigabit nic)? |
| 18:21.21 | stew | !force-all =~ s#fucking ## |
| 18:21.22 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 18:21.28 | wols | omi: I don't know of any netinstall for sid |
| 18:21.41 | wols | etch uses kernel 2.6.17 and that has 8169 IIRC |
| 18:21.50 | omi | no, 8168 |
| 18:21.54 | omi | it is not 8169 |
| 18:21.57 | crille | i have not used --force once the ten years I've been using debian :-) |
| 18:21.58 | valdyn | omi: dont use an unstable installer if anyhow possible |
| 18:22.01 | wols | omi: simply put: if vanilla kernel can do it, so can debian's of the same version |
| 18:22.02 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 18:22.03 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 18:22.05 | crille | I'm a first-timer :-) |
| 18:22.06 | wols | so check if linux 2.6.17 can |
| 18:22.07 | valdyn | omi: maybe ^^^ |
| 18:22.08 | omi | the driver for 8168 is called r1000 |
| 18:22.25 | wols | valdyn: since he already needs unstable as you said, he should use etch to install iimho |
| 18:22.28 | JordiGH | stew: Aw, what's wrong with intensifiers? |
| 18:22.33 | JordiGH | And is dpkg a Perl script? |
| 18:22.36 | omi | vanila 2.6.18 doesn't have r1000,so I guess I need to full 1st cd. |
| 18:22.38 | omi | brb |
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| 18:22.43 | valdyn | wols: maybe, i dont know how reliable the etch installer is lately |
| 18:22.57 | wols | valdyn: can't be worse than sid :) |
| 18:23.03 | stew | JordiGH: /msg dpkg what are you |
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| 18:23.15 | crille | Stopping apache 2.0 web server...apache2: Syntax error on line 116 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:23.22 | wols | 2.0? |
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| 18:23.51 | compDo | How can I figure out which compiler options have been used for my installed Etch ssh package? |
| 18:24.10 | JordiGH | compDo: Get the source package and look at its control files? |
| 18:24.12 | valdyn | compDo: apt-get source <package> |
| 18:24.48 | JordiGH | ("Compiler options". Fee, fie, fo, fum. I smell fresh gentoobie blood.) |
| 18:24.54 | stew | compDo: which version of libapache2-mod-php5 do you have installed? |
| 18:25.01 | crille | yes. 2.0. i'm knee-deep in the problem with apache2.2-common (2.2.3-1) |
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| 18:25.37 | stew | err crille which version of libapache2-mod-php5? have you checked the bts? |
| 18:25.49 | crille | now I just want to remove apache* and start over |
| 18:26.12 | compDo | stew, how can I figure this out? |
| 18:26.32 | stew | compDo: sorry, i meant that for crille, not you |
| 18:26.34 | crille | libapache2-mod-php5 (5.1.6-3) |
| 18:26.53 | Ono | i install vmware on sid, but it does not start and using cpu 100%. What do you thing about this? |
| 18:26.58 | grendal_prime | simonrvn, ya got this strange situation though. |
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| 18:27.24 | stew | crille: that's the unstable version, but you are running the testing version of apache2? you should probably stick to unstable for both or testing for both |
| 18:27.44 | compDo | valdyn, could you give me the sources.list entry for the sources of Debian packages? |
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| 18:28.05 | crille | i'm using only the unstable version. that "stopping 2.0" message came as a surprise :-) |
| 18:28.07 | Saynos | te szarrrrRRRrrRRRrrRRRrrRRRRr mrew |
| 18:28.14 | Saynos | bazz |
| 18:28.15 | valdyn | compDo: just copy yours, and change the first 3 letters 'deb' to 'deb-src' |
| 18:28.16 | Saynos | nemide |
| 18:28.18 | Saynos | sorry |
| 18:28.19 | Saynos | :) |
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| 18:29.16 | JordiGH | Saynos... I think that means "cheese". Heh. |
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| 18:32.43 | compDo | JohnDoh_, what is the name of the control files with compiler options? |
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| 18:33.39 | stew | compDo: debian/rules |
| 18:33.45 | grendal_prime | stew? |
| 18:34.02 | stew | grendal_prime: hi |
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| 18:34.43 | grendal_prime | how good are you with ssl..weridness issues? |
| 18:34.44 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 18:38.06 | JordiGH | Hm, does hello use locales? |
| 18:38.25 | abrotman | usually |
| 18:38.43 | abrotman | i mean .. i'm sure there's some language that uses an accent in their 'hello' |
| 18:38.50 | JordiGH | :-) |
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| 18:38.58 | JordiGH | abrotman: I guess it does. It has a po directory. |
| 18:39.18 | JordiGH | What's the language or country code for norwegian? |
| 18:39.22 | JordiGH | I thought it was .no |
| 18:39.35 | sepski | JordiGH, it is |
| 18:39.40 | ysg | how can i clear the aptitude selection list, i have selected something and now it tries to remove 1100mb i cant deleset them |
| 18:40.38 | compDo | When I start an application via ssh like "ssh HOSTNAME xterm" I get the error message "bash: line 1: xterm: command not found". However, when I login via ssh on HOSTNAME and invoke xterm, it works fine. Any ideas why the PATH is not set correctly? |
| 18:40.59 | azeem | JordiGH: it's an example on how to do a GNU package, not necessarily how to easiest printf("Hello World\n"); |
| 18:41.03 | ysg | how can i clear the que in aptitude? |
| 18:41.07 | stew | grendal_prime: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 18:41.09 | JordiGH | sepski: Hm. I guess no one has translated hello to Norwegian! |
| 18:41.37 | JordiGH | azeem: 2 megs of source files for hello. :-) |
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| 18:41.48 | azeem | it's not source files |
| 18:41.53 | azeem | most of it is auto-generated I guess |
| 18:42.04 | azeem | or locale date |
| 18:42.07 | azeem | data |
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| 18:42.37 | JordiGH | 112K in the src/ directory. |
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| 18:44.18 | w0rd54 | stew: I have a question....are you an ircop of freenode? |
| 18:44.26 | compDo | Can I also figure out the compiler options when just the deb-package is available? |
| 18:44.30 | stew | w0rd54: no |
| 18:44.37 | w0rd54 | stew: damn :( |
| 18:44.42 | JordiGH | compDo: No, why would you be able to? |
| 18:44.56 | stew | w0rd54: "/stats p" will get you "on-duty" staffers |
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| 18:45.07 | eeyore- | compDo: where is xterm? (which xterm) |
| 18:45.25 | compDo | eeyore-, in /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 18:45.31 | azeem | JordiGH: I assume getopt.c and alloca.c are imported from gnulib, and Makefile.in is auto-generated |
| 18:45.36 | azeem | hello.c is 8KB |
| 18:45.47 | compDo | eeyore-, just applications stored in /usr/bin work fine via ssh |
| 18:45.50 | eeyore- | compDo: try "ssh HOSTNAME /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm" |
| 18:46.01 | dude__ | f |
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| 18:46.07 | JordiGH | azeem: I still can't understand the code for hello.c :P |
| 18:46.09 | eeyore- | compDo: could just be the standard login scripts forgot to add /usr/X11R6/bin to the PATH |
| 18:46.10 | Bhavesh | !xserver |
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| 18:46.16 | itc | hello, any good traffic monitor? |
| 18:46.33 | Robi | vnstat |
| 18:46.34 | w0rd54 | itc: depends on what type of traffic/what type of stats |
| 18:46.47 | compDo | eeyore-, this works, but I would still like to have it without the absolute path. |
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| 18:46.59 | eeyore- | compDo: then edit the system's default login scripts :-) |
| 18:46.59 | w0rd54 | if you want hetero-ass graphs use cacti |
| 18:47.01 | compDo | eeyore-, when I add the path to PATH in my local .bashrc it works |
| 18:47.04 | w0rd54 | they are pretty straight |
| 18:47.28 | azeem | JordiGH: most of it is option handling |
| 18:47.34 | azeem | JordiGH: start from the bottom |
| 18:47.36 | compDo | eeyore-, but I would like to have it set globally. However, adding it to /etc/profile and/or /etc/bash.bashrc does not work |
| 18:47.46 | itc | w0rd54 I have a network, and I see all my band loaded and I want to know who loads the network |
| 18:47.50 | itc | internet |
| 18:48.17 | compDo | eeyore-, where else could I add the PATH variable so that ssh reads it "globally" ? |
| 18:48.46 | eeyore- | compDo: you know that on Debian, /usr/X11R6/bin -> /usr/bin ? (at least it is on Sid anyway) |
| 18:48.56 | JordiGH | azeem: Yes, I think I do sort of get it. C looks very strange to my Cplusplus-trained eyes. ;-) |
| 18:49.04 | stew | eeyore-: not in sarge |
| 18:49.36 | eeyore- | compDo: don't you have a line setting PATH in /etc/profile ? |
| 18:49.36 | stew | (and it probably won't be in etch+1) |
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| 18:50.14 | compDo | eeyore-, no in Etch it's not a symbolic link. I have it in my /etc/profile, but ssh does not use it |
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| 18:50.25 | creature | Hello. Has the sound system changed at all in testing/unstable lately? My sound has stopped working, and I have not been fiddling. |
| 18:50.54 | compDo | eeyore-, it uses it only when I login in a normal way. When I however run just an application without login, it's skipped |
| 18:51.01 | stew | compDo: in etch, /usr/X11R6/bin is a symlink to /usr/bin |
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| 18:51.30 | compDo | eeyore-, sorry, I've sarge |
| 18:51.37 | itc | well? no network traffic? |
| 18:51.38 | compDo | eeyore-, and here it's not |
| 18:51.42 | creature | I have a /dev/dsp and I have the relevant permissions for it, but I don't think there's anything "attached" to it at the back. |
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| 18:52.07 | eeyore- | compso: hmm well, looks like sshd has paths compiled into it. And, the UseLogin option doesn't apply for remote command execution, so you can't get around that that way either |
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| 18:52.23 | eeyore- | compDo: recompile your sshd, then :-) add the path to /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 18:52.42 | Decavolt | I have a new net-install of Debian that intermittently kicks/drops all ssh and ftp connections and then won't let me reconnect for up to 5 minutes afterward. I can ping the box during that time and have swapped out the nic card, checked the cable, routers, etc and eliminited them as being the problem. Any ideas on what could cause sshd and ftp to die and then be refused, but only for a short period of time before working normally again? |
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| 18:53.14 | eeyore- | compDo: yeah, the UseLogin option doesn't apply for remote command execution |
| 18:53.23 | SerajewelKS | is there any way if i'm running two X servers to move a program from one to the other? |
| 18:53.33 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: no |
| 18:53.41 | SerajewelKS | thought so |
| 18:53.47 | compDo | eeyore-, so you think that recompiling is the only way to fix that problem? |
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| 18:53.54 | eeyore- | compDo: pretty much |
| 18:54.08 | compDo | eeyore-, ok, thank you |
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| 18:54.43 | SerajewelKS | my options are (1) use gaim with :0 vio x11vnc and have it be slow, (2) kill it and start it on :16 (Xvnc), or (3) use :16 from :0 in my room |
| 18:54.50 | SerajewelKS | neither is very attractive |
| 18:54.59 | SerajewelKS | via* |
| 18:56.21 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: apt-cache show xmove, probably works for almost nothing though |
| 18:56.57 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: hmm |
| 18:57.13 | kakarot | some ftp client for kde suite ? |
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| 18:57.33 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: for all i know its one of the many broken X features, i dont really have it tried extensively though |
| 18:57.34 | SerajewelKS | kakarot: apt-cache search kde ftp client |
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| 18:58.03 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: okay well it's worth a shot i guess |
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| 18:58.31 | JordiGH | kakarot: Konqui can do ftp. |
| 18:58.37 | Pavel_K | kakarot ..> kftbgrabber? |
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| 18:59.00 | JordiGH | kakarot: And sftp. Konqui is teh bomb. I even have a symlink: /usr/bin/konqui |
| 18:59.01 | kakarot | SerajewelKS JordiGH Pavel_K thanks i'll try kasablanca |
| 18:59.48 | SerajewelKS | i've actually started using gnome.. after like 5 years of kde |
| 19:00.03 | SerajewelKS | i'm still not sure which i like better |
| 19:00.14 | JordiGH | Gnome is getting very pretty in recent years. No doubt Ubuntu has had some influence in this beautifuciation. |
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| 19:00.22 | JordiGH | beautification |
| 19:00.29 | h3sp4wn | ncftp is the only ftp client I use (probably because I have used it for years) lftp is apparantly a more powerful alternative |
| 19:00.37 | odla | how can i change the time of my clock in xfce? |
| 19:00.43 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: not just that but file associations, like... work |
| 19:00.55 | h3sp4wn | gnome is not beautiful in the same way e17 is (its bloated to hell) |
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| 19:01.08 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Yep, yep. I have high respect for Gnome and all other loyal opposition. |
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| 19:01.11 | SerajewelKS | !start a wm war |
| 19:01.11 | dpkg | olwm blows! |
| 19:01.26 | valdyn | whatever bloated is |
| 19:01.35 | JordiGH | X is bloated. |
| 19:01.46 | JordiGH | Heck, even bash is bloated. |
| 19:01.48 | Braindead | bloated and rotten as a corpse? |
| 19:01.57 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: the thing i miss most of KDE is being able to configure everything |
| 19:02.05 | JordiGH | We should just be writing to the hard drive with a magnetic pen. |
| 19:02.11 | SerajewelKS | code reuse = bloat |
| 19:03.06 | SerajewelKS | gnome does start up noticably faster too |
| 19:03.22 | pickcoder | multiplying similar functions is far better than module code reuse |
| 19:03.31 | roxy_ | is it possible to get dpkg to reconfigure all pam module ? |
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| 19:04.07 | JordiGH | roxy_: All? dpkg-reconfigure packagename will do it. |
| 19:04.14 | SerajewelKS | KDE is like a configurable Explorer, gnome is like an unconfigurable OS X. in looks anyway. |
| 19:04.19 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 19:04.20 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 19:04.34 | valdyn | roxy_: maybe reinstall with confmiss as explained above |
| 19:04.49 | roxy_ | valdyn: thanks, I'll try |
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| 19:06.00 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: You mean to speak, of course, not of KDE in total, but simply of the venerable Konqui. |
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| 19:07.09 | razva | folks, what's the GD2 package? |
| 19:07.17 | razva | because there are more than 100 packages... |
| 19:07.22 | JordiGH | I'm really stumped with this printer thing. I can't even describe the problem reliably. |
| 19:07.24 | razva | and I have NO ideea wich one to install :)) |
| 19:07.41 | valdyn | razva: we have no idea what you need |
| 19:07.49 | JordiGH | wtf gd2 |
| 19:07.59 | razva | valdyn I want to install GD2 (image processor, like imagemagick) |
| 19:08.44 | valdyn | razva: looks to me like gd2 is a library for image processing |
| 19:08.45 | razva | and I have no ideea what package I should install because on apt-cache I find more than 100 packages containing "gd" |
| 19:08.57 | JordiGH | razva: Is it a Debian package? I'm coming up with Perl wrappers and stuff related to gd, but no package that obviously *is* gd. |
| 19:08.58 | razva | valdyn yes, that's exactly what I want to install. wich package? |
| 19:08.59 | valdyn | razva: now what about searching for gd2 |
| 19:09.00 | Braindead | razva: aptitude search ~ngd2 |
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| 19:09.28 | valdyn | razva: you are trying to compile a C program? |
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| 19:10.16 | razva | valdyn no, I need it for a photo gallery |
| 19:10.23 | roxy_ | valdyn: http://rafb.net/paste/results/trLOXZ71.html |
| 19:10.30 | JordiGH | razva: libgd2-xpm is probably what you want. |
| 19:10.32 | creature | Has the sound system changed at all in testing/unstable lately? My sound has stopped working, and I have not been fiddling. I have no idea what's wrong with it and don't know where to start. I seem to have the relevant modules loaded. |
| 19:10.33 | valdyn | razva: what kind of photo gallery? |
| 19:10.43 | razva | valdyn http://coppermine.sf.net |
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| 19:10.49 | valdyn | razva: if its a website then maybe you need the php module |
| 19:11.03 | roxy_ | oops, it is not reconfigure related. |
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| 19:11.17 | valdyn | razva: sais php in the 3rd line i read, so you probably want php4-gd |
| 19:11.33 | odla | how do i change the time? my computer thinks it's 6 hours later than it is |
| 19:11.42 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 19:11.43 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 19:11.50 | smax | how can i find out what mirrors i need for sources.list coresponding to what package i want ? |
| 19:12.10 | valdyn | smax: are you trying to use unofficial mirrors? |
| 19:12.13 | OleMoudi | where can I declare global variables for all users? |
| 19:12.15 | smax | is there some kind of search utility? |
| 19:12.23 | roxy_ | OleMoudi: /etc/profile |
| 19:12.28 | odla | valdyn thanks |
| 19:12.43 | valdyn | smax: there's not many mirrors to search, http://packages.debian.org/ for official stuff |
| 19:12.43 | smax | valdyn: if they're safe i dont mind. preferably official |
| 19:12.54 | smax | ok |
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| 19:12.57 | valdyn | smax: what are you looking for anyway? |
| 19:12.58 | smax | i'll check that out |
| 19:13.57 | JordiGH | Speaking of date setting, is there any way to handle DST? |
| 19:14.14 | valdyn | JordiGH: what's dst? |
| 19:14.18 | beardy | When and where? |
| 19:14.24 | beardy | Daylight Savings Time? |
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| 19:14.37 | valdyn | JordiGH: that should be handled automatically |
| 19:14.42 | beardy | JordiGH: It's handled automagiacallty. |
| 19:14.47 | bonez41 | is there any room for debian+mailman users? |
| 19:14.47 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 19:14.49 | JordiGH | It's never been. |
| 19:14.59 | beardy | JordiGH: It's always been for me. |
| 19:15.02 | valdyn | JordiGH: maybe you chose the wrong timezone |
| 19:15.14 | valdyn | JordiGH: some zones have dst, some do not |
| 19:15.14 | beardy | JordiGH: Then your timezone doesn't have it. |
| 19:15.15 | JordiGH | I think I even read something in the manpage about how they're sick of dealing with dst, since it's a politically-chosen thing. |
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| 19:15.25 | JordiGH | Yes it does! At least politically it does. |
| 19:15.42 | beardy | JordiGH: WHich timezone? We are talking about date(1), are we? |
| 19:15.48 | valdyn | JordiGH: maybe there's more than 1 timezone for your latitude |
| 19:15.49 | JordiGH | The manpage of tzconfig said something about it... lemme grep. |
| 19:15.50 | Slaughter | i need help with debian sarge and bayes filters with postfix, does somebody know? |
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| 19:15.59 | beardy | JordiGH: date, or the system clock in general |
| 19:16.02 | valdyn | JordiGH: err, longitude =/ |
| 19:16.06 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: in general a bit too |
| 19:16.23 | valdyn | JordiGH: whatever, hope you can guess what i mean |
| 19:16.33 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: tzdata has been dealing with DST et all for ages |
| 19:16.39 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: at least when you're comparing KDE to gnome, it's similar to a comparison of windows to OS X. minus windows' breakage. |
| 19:16.49 | Bhavesh | Slaughter: i don't think i can answer specific question but i run MailScanner/SpamAssasin for my email server seems to work well |
| 19:17.08 | smax | valdyn: im looking for fglrx-control fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src. i have edited my sources.list according to !fglrx http://rafb.net/paste/results/E0L3xK74.html |
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| 19:17.18 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: I'm not very-well versed in either of the proprietary OS's you mentioned. |
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| 19:17.36 | abrotman | DST isn't political |
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| 19:17.47 | beardy | abrotman: To some extent, yes. |
| 19:17.53 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's purely political, actually... |
| 19:17.57 | abrotman | no way! |
| 19:17.57 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: sadly i am |
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| 19:18.04 | abrotman | it's a holdover .. |
| 19:18.05 | beardy | abrotman: Way. |
| 19:18.09 | JordiGH | abrotman: Each country does whatever the hell it wants with DSL. And yes, it needs politicking. |
| 19:18.11 | enouf | for ex : Arizona does not observe DST |
| 19:18.16 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: like the gnome "places" menu is almost a duplicate of OS X's |
| 19:18.19 | abrotman | darn farmers get confused cows wake up before 4am |
| 19:18.23 | valdyn | smax: you cant just mix and match repositories. Obviously you are using sarge, you _should_ be able to use the OFFICIAL ATI installer, it can generate debs for sarge |
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| 19:18.34 | enouf | Sun's up until 10pm in the summer :-p |
| 19:18.38 | abrotman | yay! |
| 19:18.48 | abrotman | i agree DST is stupid .. but i'd hardly call it political |
| 19:18.56 | Braindead | smax: you might even read the factoid until the end.... |
| 19:19.04 | enouf | It's like the north pole - but much hotter |
| 19:19.05 | Braindead | !fglrx |
| 19:19.05 | dpkg | [fglrx] add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), but it's in sid only, not in etch, or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 19:19.10 | cureless | having DST is a political choice |
| 19:19.16 | Braindead | smax: read it again ALOUD,please |
| 19:19.20 | creature | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4002 may give some more information about my sound. |
| 19:19.31 | dondelelcaro | Today is Boomtime, the 63rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3172 |
| 19:19.35 | SerajewelKS | DST is irrelevant to me. if there's another hour of daylight at night that means that i just have to get up from my chair one hour later to turn on the light |
| 19:19.41 | abrotman | see .. like that |
| 19:19.41 | beardy | abrotman: You can call it what you like, it is a decided thing, the "time" does not have DST built in, it is decided by people, and those people work for the state, and are probably politicians. |
| 19:20.34 | SerajewelKS | it's like... i get another hour of natural light while i code... whoopity do |
| 19:20.35 | enouf | beardy: some even extend tghat sentiment into which Calendar to be followed |
| 19:20.39 | abrotman | beardy: it was put into place when more of the politicians owned farms .. it was beneficial to them in that way .. if that's what you're referring to |
| 19:20.50 | JordiGH | Can someone please convince me of the virtue of having GNU software with Windows binaries? Like, why do we need to cater to the Windows users? |
| 19:20.58 | smax | is stable the same a sarge ? |
| 19:21.02 | Ronin | smax: yes |
| 19:21.02 | valdyn | abrotman: dst has a thing to do with farms? |
| 19:21.06 | smax | oh ok |
| 19:21.06 | JordiGH | smax: Right now, yes. |
| 19:21.06 | abrotman | beardy: today .. it's far from that state |
| 19:21.06 | azeem | smax: yes, right now |
| 19:21.23 | valdyn | abrotman: it was introduced to save energy, its proven useless for just that purpose |
| 19:21.24 | smax | ok well that would explain it |
| 19:21.28 | abrotman | valdyn: one of the old arguments is that it was put into place so that there'd be more daylight for farmers |
| 19:21.29 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: because gnu is about choice, and some people choose to use a nonfree OS. |
| 19:21.44 | enouf | I wonder how (if) methane output is affected via DST |
| 19:21.45 | beardy | abrotman: So why doesn't your politicians remove it in your country? If they can find some spare time between raping other coutries? (oops, ignore that) |
| 19:21.53 | abrotman | valdyn: they still use the energy thing as a rationale |
| 19:21.54 | azeem | JordiGH: GNU doesn't do Windows binaries |
| 19:21.57 | valdyn | abrotman: oh thats silly, farmers get up when they have to, hour of day has nothing to do with that |
| 19:22.04 | abrotman | valdyn: don't ask me! .. |
| 19:22.09 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: a movement about choice that only makes software available for its own platform is a little hypocritical, no? |
| 19:22.11 | JordiGH | azeem: Then who ports Emacs to Windows? |
| 19:22.17 | azeem | JordiGH: dunno |
| 19:22.18 | enouf | purposefully does not ignore beardy's last comment |
| 19:22.23 | abrotman | valdyn: but obviously if the farmer is up when the sun is .. less energy is used |
| 19:22.25 | roxy_ | how can I not use bug report when doing aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 19:22.39 | azeem | JordiGH: it's Free Software, you are free to port |
| 19:22.55 | abrotman | valdyn: i don't agree with it . i think it's silly .. |
| 19:23.19 | beardy | abrotman: Farmers really don't care about what the clock on the wrist say, when the sun goes up, it's time to go up.. |
| 19:23.23 | abrotman | but i disagree that it's political .. i'm sure the politicians would be more than happy to have their energy stocks go up a bit more as revenues increase |
| 19:23.24 | valdyn | abrotman: farmers rhythm is dependend on its crops and animals anyway |
| 19:23.25 | SerajewelKS | show me one coder who gives a crap about DST =) |
| 19:23.32 | JordiGH | I know I'm just being cranky, but damnit, I wish those whiney Windows users who want gratis software would just friggin' install a free OS where free software runs natively. Would save some work for everyone involved. It's their lack of commitment that bothers me. |
| 19:23.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: the guy who has to code the stupid routine :) |
| 19:23.43 | SerajewelKS | except that it makes tracking time a PITA |
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| 19:23.46 | beardy | abrotman: What do you call things which are decided then, if not political? |
| 19:23.47 | l1nuxg0d | i would like to combine the bandwidth of two network interfaces on my server |
| 19:23.51 | azeem | JordiGH: sure, but this is kinda off-topic here |
| 19:23.57 | azeem | JordiGH: you could discuss it in #gnu |
| 19:23.58 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah, that's what i started saying ^^^ |
| 19:24.04 | l1nuxg0d | tried bonding them, but no luck -- cant ping anything |
| 19:24.18 | JordiGH | Sorry. I am being OT. I'll vent elsewhere. |
| 19:24.19 | abrotman | beardy: rational? :) |
| 19:24.30 | beardy | abrotman: So dst is rational now? |
| 19:24.37 | abrotman | beardy: i'm sure at one time it was .. |
| 19:24.41 | valdyn | l1nuxg0d: bonding 2 interfaces to one needs to happen on both sides.. |
| 19:24.47 | roxy_ | can someone run bugreport on unstable ? |
| 19:24.55 | razva | ok, installed libgd2-xpm, php4-gd, still not working... |
| 19:24.56 | abrotman | beardy: of course .. could have been deemed rational by canadians ... |
| 19:25.10 | jelly-home | dst rules! |
| 19:25.13 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: for some people, using free-as-in-speech windows software is a "gateway drug" to using a free OS |
| 19:25.17 | beardy | abrotman: I think it more has to do with cityfolks whineing about that it's dark when they go to work, without DST. |
| 19:25.22 | l1nuxg0d | valdyn, it is bonded on the switch already |
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| 19:25.37 | cureless | beardy: actually, DST works the other way around. |
| 19:25.38 | abrotman | beardy: it's always dark when some people go to work |
| 19:25.39 | razva | any other ideeas of what dep should I install in order to install the darn GD2? |
| 19:25.48 | razva | because seesh...it's a small program... |
| 19:25.54 | jelly-home | beardy: not that one extra hour makes much difference |
| 19:25.57 | abrotman | beardy: i have no doubt that it saves energy .. the idea is still stupid |
| 19:26.03 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: I know... that's why I will recommend free software even to Windows users... we must be insidious. |
| 19:26.08 | abrotman | !opencd |
| 19:26.11 | enouf | yeah .. so was Nixon's implementation of said standard - not to mention the removal of the gold standard .. there's rational for ya -- oh and not political in one bit |
| 19:26.12 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 19:26.14 | beardy | abrotman: saves energy? Where did you get that from? |
| 19:26.24 | enouf | DST doesn't save a drop of energy .. |
| 19:26.35 | abrotman | beardy: the idea is less artificial heat/light usage to save energy |
| 19:26.35 | cureless | beardy: it saves energy at night |
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| 19:26.38 | beardy | eh.. |
| 19:26.40 | setog3 | hmm.. about vim and vim-latexsuite in sid .. I am alone or you have the same problem (no register with vim |
| 19:26.40 | setog3 | ) |
| 19:26.45 | bonez41 | how do I find out what changes a debian package, updated via apt-get, might have made to an existing configuration file? |
| 19:26.54 | beardy | And you don't "get an extra hour". |
| 19:26.57 | enouf | time-shidting saves energy at night ...ok |
| 19:27.00 | JordiGH | bonez41: Get the source file. The .diff file will have the changes. |
| 19:27.05 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: personally, i have less of a problem using nonfree software on a free kernel than the other way around. e.g. neverwinter nights' linux client. |
| 19:27.09 | daveb | is there a way using backports or someting else to get Postgresql 7.4 and install a package for postgresql8.1? or is that just totally again the debian way? |
| 19:27.11 | enouf | 25hrs in a day ..eh? |
| 19:27.14 | valdyn | bonez41: debian does not change configuration files that were modified by you |
| 19:27.16 | abrotman | beardy: you get extra time of sunlight .. the idea is antiquated .. we rely far less on natural light now |
| 19:27.17 | enouf | 8 days a week |
| 19:27.27 | cureless | beardy: in the summer, the sun comes up earlier, say 4:30 am, they move the clock so that 4:30 am is now 5:30 am. Since nobody wakes up at 4:30 (other than farmers), people have 1 "extra" hour of daylight _at_night_, and hence don't turn on their lights until an hour later, hence save energy. |
| 19:27.28 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: but a nonfree kernel effectively makes the system a black box |
| 19:27.30 | abrotman | daveb: you want both ? |
| 19:27.34 | daveb | abrotman: yes. |
| 19:27.39 | sewi | hello, Is it only my case where mc starts slowly under debian unstable, in particular when apt-get is working... Under sarge mc starts immediately |
| 19:27.45 | jelly-home | beardy: no extra hour? Next you'll be saying there's no centrifugal force. |
| 19:27.49 | cureless | DST is for the summer, not winter. |
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| 19:27.51 | daveb | lets say I have a legacy application that requires 7.4 but want to use a new application with 8.1 |
| 19:27.55 | beardy | jelly-home: ;) |
| 19:28.01 | abrotman | beardy: prepare salt shaker .. http://www.energy.ca.gov/daylightsaving.html |
| 19:28.05 | valdyn | bonez41: and if a new default comes, the old one should end up in filename.dpkg-old |
| 19:28.08 | daveb | so one would have to be installed in an alternative location. |
| 19:28.17 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Er, what is neverwinter nights? |
| 19:28.32 | cureless | SerajewelKS: RPG by bioware. |
| 19:28.33 | valdyn | bonez41: and if a new default comes while you have modified the original old one the new one ends up in file.dpkg-dist |
| 19:28.45 | cureless | JordiGH: that was for you ^^ |
| 19:28.56 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: a 3d (opengl+sdl) RPG that is based on D&D, playable on online servers |
| 19:29.01 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: So you don't like, say, non-free software in your Debian? I can respect that. :-) |
| 19:29.05 | beardy | cureless: I don't think that saves any energy. In the summertime, people sit out more, and that is why they are not in and turns on their lamps. On the other hand, they use electric barbeques, and your theory falls on it's ass, and, geeks use their computers the same way as any other season, so, I do not agree with the powersaving. |
| 19:29.13 | valdyn | bonez41: uh, maybe it was -orig instead of -old, anyway debian respects existing configs |
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| 19:29.25 | thomax_ | ho |
| 19:29.31 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: no i'm saying that i can tolerate nonfree software on debian more than i can tolerate free software on windows |
| 19:29.31 | abrotman | how the heck did oyu guys get on that anyways ? |
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| 19:29.35 | cureless | beardy: they sit out because it's light outside. |
| 19:29.56 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: because at least the kernel is free and i can know what it's doing. if the app does something stupid it won't kill my system. |
| 19:30.00 | cureless | beardy: but, don't blame me, I grew up in a country with no DST. And, btw, most of the summer energy is spent in air conditioning. |
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| 19:30.11 | enouf | cureless: if you get up at 4:30am and sleep at 6:30pm -- or get up and slepp an hour later -- there's not one ioda of difference as fas as energy use is concerned |
| 19:30.15 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Oh. Complete agreement. ;-) |
| 19:30.15 | beardy | cureless: It's light outside longer even without DST, but yes, a bit longer _with_ DST. |
| 19:30.29 | abrotman | why are you arguing about summer ? |
| 19:30.30 | thomax_ | i have this errormessage from racoon: ERROR: failed to get sainfo. |
| 19:30.40 | beardy | cureless: In the northmost of Sweden, the sun is up 24 hours for some weeks in the summer. |
| 19:30.42 | cureless | enouf: that is correct. like I said, I'm against DST. |
| 19:30.50 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Most of the bug reports from Windows users we get in, say, the Maxima mailing list, come from some obscure and undocumented feature of how Windows does things. |
| 19:30.53 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: yeah. on a nonfree kernel your system is pretty much a black box no watter what software you are running. |
| 19:31.00 | beardy | cureless: Perhaps in northern Canada or so too. |
| 19:31.00 | cureless | beardy: you are also correct. |
| 19:31.27 | jelly-home | abrotman: well, DST patch is applied during the summer, and reversed in winter. |
| 19:31.36 | beardy | abrotman: I think it started with a question about why DST wasn't handled for someone. :) |
| 19:31.48 | SerajewelKS | indiana used to not do DST. i miss that. |
| 19:31.49 | beardy | abrotman: By his tzonfig/date/system clock. |
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| 19:32.01 | SerajewelKS | no mucking about with date changes |
| 19:32.02 | thomax_ | i have this errormessage from racoon: ERROR: failed to get sainfo. (debian unstable with selfmade kernel (2.6.17). |
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| 19:32.22 | abrotman | beardy: that article links to a PDF that talks about the energy "savings" in California using DST and double DST |
| 19:32.35 | SerajewelKS | at least you just have to change EST <-> EDT and not change the system clock |
| 19:32.39 | enouf | erm 'iota' <--duh |
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| 19:32.45 | NattyDread | Hi, without using sudo or su: Is there any way I can give a user the ability to run apt-get ???? |
| 19:32.53 | enouf | laughs about the name yoda |
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| 19:33.02 | JordiGH | NattyDread: Uh, why do you want to do that? |
| 19:33.07 | cureless | what I would propose, as opposed to DST, is always keep the time at DST time (hence no real DST), the problem is people don't like waking up in the dark (in the winter) (like abrotman said). |
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| 19:33.08 | abrotman | and if you ask me wtf double-dst is .. i'll laugh .. nfc |
| 19:33.09 | asg | NattyDread: not in a way that wouldn't make us laugh at you, no |
| 19:33.10 | SerajewelKS | NattyDread: yes but that would be foolish unless you trust this user |
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| 19:33.11 | daveb | anyone who wants to talk about DST |
| 19:33.13 | dan2 | abrotman, yo |
| 19:33.16 | dan2 | asg, yo |
| 19:33.20 | abrotman | dan2: go to school already! |
| 19:33.20 | asg | hiya dan |
| 19:33.27 | SerajewelKS | NattyDread: because if you can touch apt-get then you are effectively root |
| 19:33.31 | dan2 | abrotman, I got back an hour ago |
| 19:33.35 | NattyDread | ok thanks guys |
| 19:33.38 | daveb | must first be required to calculate time intervals across timezones during NA DST and European Summrt Time |
| 19:33.39 | dan2 | !ninja asg |
| 19:33.47 | beardy | abrotman: I think it's a case of fixing things that alerady works.. sort of. |
| 19:33.48 | asg | :F |
| 19:33.52 | dan2 | heh |
| 19:34.00 | daveb | then you'll also be convinces hat everything should be UST |
| 19:34.13 | NattyDread | I wanted to write a front-end for apt that sits in the task tray, didnt want to have to be root to update |
| 19:34.15 | abrotman | beardy: would you prefer the DDST ? |
| 19:34.21 | beardy | abrotman: The having DST, and double, triple, quad DST and so forth.. Soon we will have wandered around the clock. |
| 19:34.24 | honschu | Is there a program to help a user online screen by screen? I just want to see what the user can see on his desktop... |
| 19:34.28 | valdyn | NattyDread: thats easily possible |
| 19:34.29 | abrotman | NattyDread: you can't or you'd have to use sudo |
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| 19:34.31 | dan2 | asg: to think that I thought XFS was a stable filesystem |
| 19:34.33 | SerajewelKS | NattyDread: you *could* chmod apt-get to have suid, but then when you came in here for support when your box gets pwned we'd not be inclined to help you fix it |
| 19:34.37 | JordiGH | NattyDread: You're a Windows user, aren't you? I was just bitching about you. |
| 19:34.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: can you paste the DST url again? /msg if you want. |
| 19:34.40 | asg | honschu: a vnc server |
| 19:34.44 | daveb | so should I just compile Postgrsql 8.1 and wait for the sable package to back up? |
| 19:34.45 | dan2 | asg, abrotman: xfs crashed on me last night and I had to wipe it out and reinstall linux bleh |
| 19:34.47 | abrotman | JordiGH: stop .. be nice |
| 19:34.50 | daveb | s/sable/stable |
| 19:34.50 | asg | dan2: there you go, thinking again :) |
| 19:34.51 | JordiGH | sorry... |
| 19:34.52 | NattyDread | Windows JordiGH ? never! |
| 19:34.57 | valdyn | NattyDread: and you can use sudo for that relatively safely |
| 19:34.57 | abrotman | jelly-home: prepare salt shaker .. http://www.energy.ca.gov/daylightsaving.html |
| 19:34.59 | tarzeau | no debian package of? http://freshmeat.net/projects/kognition/ |
| 19:35.03 | abrotman | jelly-home: that one i think is what oyu wanted |
| 19:35.04 | honschu | asg: VNC, is there a better alternative? |
| 19:35.06 | NattyDread | ok I will have to sudo then I will NOT suid |
| 19:35.11 | JordiGH | NattyDread: Sorry about that snide remark. I'm cranky. |
| 19:35.11 | SerajewelKS | NattyDread: if you're using gnome then you can have it save the root password in your "keyring" |
| 19:35.12 | sepski | honschu, freenx |
| 19:35.14 | abrotman | dan2: use ext3 |
| 19:35.15 | thomax_ | vnc is good |
| 19:35.16 | beardy | honschu: For which situation? |
| 19:35.16 | asg | honschu: nomachinefx, freenx |
| 19:35.18 | cureless | NattyDread: what is your real objective? |
| 19:35.22 | valdyn | NattyDread: sudo can be limited to specific programs |
| 19:35.22 | NattyDread | its ok JordiGH |
| 19:35.25 | dan2 | abrotman: I reinstalled with reiser |
| 19:35.29 | jelly-home | abrotman: thanks. I was wondering about California and DDST remark. |
| 19:35.31 | dan2 | abrotman: it's always worked fine for me |
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| 19:35.37 | sepski | honschu, ohh if you want to see the same screen you actualy need x11vnc, |
| 19:35.37 | NattyDread | cureless, Im writing an apt front end for fun |
| 19:35.39 | streuner | tarzeau: wrong channel... |
| 19:35.47 | sepski | honschu, nx and vncserver wont |
| 19:35.47 | beardy | !flw |
| 19:35.48 | dpkg | methinks flw19 is <metnet> the only reason for removing telnet is the non-encriptation ? <metnet> I mean, this is a regular desktop <metnet> i don't think I need encriptation <metnet> or do I? |
| 19:35.48 | abrotman | jelly-home: ah .. yeah .. Double DST :) |
| 19:35.50 | nono31 | hi |
| 19:35.52 | NattyDread | ok valdyn, its what im using now |
| 19:35.52 | valdyn | NattyDread: but you should at least run an extra script that limits the scope of what your user can do |
| 19:35.57 | cureless | NattyDread: so what is your problem right now? |
| 19:36.00 | tarzeau | streuner: hm? |
| 19:36.02 | honschu | sepski: x11vnc... aha... |
| 19:36.03 | thomax_ | but is there any one who knows how to set up a road warrios client with racoon on an unstable with 2.6.17 kernel? |
| 19:36.10 | streuner | tarzeau: #debian-kde |
| 19:36.14 | SerajewelKS | i wonder when someone will write ,net bindings for apt... |
| 19:36.15 | sepski | adn you need to use -diaplay :0 as arg |
| 19:36.19 | sepski | -display :0 |
| 19:36.19 | valdyn | NattyDread: = dont give your user full access to apt-get.. |
| 19:36.21 | SerajewelKS | .net too |
| 19:36.21 | jelly-home | abrotman: know what it is, but was eager to see some numbers if possible |
| 19:36.22 | beardy | abrotman: How is a "famous last words" added..? |
| 19:36.23 | NattyDread | cureless, isnt a problem right now just want to resolve any issues before i start |
| 19:36.25 | abrotman | jelly-home: but i don't see that they actually quantified the monetary value of DST in that report |
| 19:36.27 | tarzeau | streuner: no it's not the wrong channel, but i also asked there |
| 19:36.31 | abrotman | beardy: same as qotd |
| 19:36.37 | nono31 | I found this http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ to be a tutorial to install to install an email server . someone has another/better way to do this? |
| 19:36.38 | beardy | abrotman: ah |
| 19:36.42 | abrotman | beardy: gotta find a free one first |
| 19:36.50 | NattyDread | valdyn, cureless. JordiGH, SerajewelKS thanks! |
| 19:36.51 | abrotman | flw goes up to .. 40s i think ? |
| 19:36.54 | cureless | NattyDread: if you're writing a program, you can write your program to be suid (and design accordingly). You can also just do what the other front ends do (like the kde, etc). |
| 19:36.55 | streuner | tarzeau: and? what answer you got? |
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| 19:37.02 | tarzeau | streuner: none |
| 19:37.03 | NattyDread | oh and abrotman thanks too |
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| 19:37.32 | streuner | tarzeau: well, if they know you, its not that weird then ... :-) |
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| 19:37.41 | thomax_ | ok, openswan or racoon? whats better? |
| 19:37.44 | cureless | NattyDread: things becme a slippery slope. I would suggest not trying to reinvent the (security authorization) wheel and just use something that is out there. (Like deal with sudo or some similar library). |
| 19:37.58 | beardy | flw49 is <reply> (about reiser) < dan2> abrotman: it's always worked fine for me |
| 19:38.00 | beardy | !flw49 is <reply> (about reiser) < dan2> abrotman: it's always worked fine for me |
| 19:38.00 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: you're surprised? look at abrotman, he gets thanked all the time. |
| 19:38.00 | dpkg | okay, beardy |
| 19:38.05 | railz | does anyone know what pkg provides disks-admin? |
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| 19:38.16 | streuner | !tell railz about search |
| 19:38.19 | asg | railz: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:38.24 | helmut | Hi. When finding a security bug also present in upstream. What is considered the best strategy? Tell bugs.debian.org and uptsream or only upstream? |
| 19:38.35 | JordiGH | abrotman's an ass? Really? I rather like him. |
| 19:38.41 | asg | helmut: submit to b.d.o. The maintainer will take care of upstream. |
| 19:38.45 | SerajewelKS | helmut: which repo? |
| 19:38.53 | tarzeau | helmut: i'd go to upstream first |
| 19:39.01 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: of course but you like him because he's an ass =) |
| 19:39.09 | helmut | asg and tarzeau tell contrary things. |
| 19:39.15 | helmut | SerajewelKS: neon26 |
| 19:39.28 | SerajewelKS | helmut: repo... as in stable? testing? etc |
| 19:39.29 | tarzeau | asg: it gets public on b.d.o |
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| 19:39.55 | asg | tarzeau: it may already be public, who knows. |
| 19:40.01 | tarzeau | asg: true |
| 19:40.08 | thomax_ | who uses VPN from a notebook (RoadWarrior setup (open/freeswan or racoon????)) |
| 19:40.10 | helmut | This is a general question. It's not directly documented on the b.d.o website If I read that correctly. It's not the last bug I'm going to report. |
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| 19:40.17 | helmut | SerajewelKS: unstable. |
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| 19:40.18 | asg | thomax_: ssh + ppp |
| 19:40.30 | helmut | tarzeau: well. shouldn't be that critical in unstable. |
| 19:40.38 | SerajewelKS | helmut: then go upstream. i'd also file a grave bug to keep it going into testing. |
| 19:40.42 | tarzeau | helmut: which software? |
| 19:40.48 | helmut | tarzeau: neon26 |
| 19:41.02 | helmut | SerajewelKS: it's not grave. I don't even know whether it is exploitable. |
| 19:41.14 | JordiGH | When trying to print with CUPS, stuff just gets halted in the queue, according to lpq. This doesn't happen when I print, but when anyone else uses this machine to try to print, it happens again (and now I can't print either myself). Ideas? |
| 19:41.15 | thomax_ | asg: ok, ssh + ppp is not suitable for m0n0wall. its ipsec |
| 19:41.22 | SerajewelKS | helmut: but.. it's a security problem? |
| 19:41.29 | asg | thomax_: oh, okay. |
| 19:41.32 | SerajewelKS | helmut: it's not a problem if you can't exploit it |
| 19:41.35 | helmut | SerajewelKS: let me rephrase "might be a security problem" |
| 19:41.54 | SerajewelKS | helmut: yeah in that case, upstream |
| 19:41.58 | helmut | SerajewelKS: that means "I haven't tried to exploit it, but it looks like this should be possible" |
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| 19:42.26 | SerajewelKS | helmut: if upstream confirms it, file an RC bug to keep it in unstable until it's fixed |
| 19:42.32 | helmut | SerajewelKS: I was thinking about both, so the maintainer can fix itself. |
| 19:42.32 | honschu | sepski: Is it also possible to control the screen of a user by a "vncviewer"-program? |
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| 19:42.39 | thomax_ | asg: did you ever tried an ipsec vpn tunnel? |
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| 19:42.51 | SerajewelKS | helmut: sure if you want |
| 19:42.56 | asg | thomax_: no, ssh + ppp has always worked for me. I suppose I should one day. |
| 19:43.22 | SerajewelKS | i usually use openvpn |
| 19:43.24 | sepski | honschu, x11vnc can tie a vnc server to the running display (whats on the monitor) you use the vncviewer from a different computer to connect to the x11vnc server |
| 19:43.26 | thomax_ | asg: no phun |
| 19:43.42 | helmut | SerajewelKS: I just asked, because this wasn't clearly documented on the "reporting bugs" website. Is there a general rule like "report to upstream on unstable if bug is present in upstream"? |
| 19:44.06 | SerajewelKS | helmut: just report it somewhere, and hope it gets fixed |
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| 19:44.24 | thomax_ | SerajewelKS: i will retry openswan and ask you something in 10 minutes, ok? |
| 19:44.42 | helmut | SerajewelKS: or "always report to b.d.o"? This would of course mean a high load for maintainers. (I think I'm going to report five more bugs. ;-) |
| 19:44.42 | SerajewelKS | thomax_: i will be in class in 10 minutes |
| 19:44.49 | thomax_ | SerajewelKS: :-) |
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| 19:44.57 | SerajewelKS | helmut: i don't think it matters really |
| 19:45.08 | anapivirtua | Nighty |
| 19:45.08 | honschu | sepski: I just did that, and it worked. I just started "x11vnc" and then (for testing on the same display) "xtightvncviewer". But for me it wasn't possible to control the computer from within the xtightvncviewer. |
| 19:45.38 | helmut | SerajewelKS: ok. I'll report to both always then, the maintainer is free to ignore me then. |
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| 19:45.42 | helmut | SerajewelKS: thanks. |
| 19:45.50 | SerajewelKS | helmut: sure, np |
| 19:45.50 | sepski | honschu, are you sure you didnt just get a new display ? |
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| 19:46.10 | honschu | I'm sure |
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| 19:46.26 | sepski | honschu, x11vnc --display :0 |
| 19:46.26 | SerajewelKS | honschu: you're connecting to :0 from :0? |
| 19:46.31 | afds | x11vnc grabs the x-session |
| 19:46.35 | SerajewelKS | sepski: only one dash |
| 19:46.45 | sepski | honschu, you must ofcouse use the viewer from a different computer |
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| 19:48.49 | honschu | i will |
| 19:50.38 | smax | sh fglrx-drver resulted in this error message. http://rafb.net/paste/results/HOaBvD77.html |
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| 19:50.54 | smax | i did a wget into /etc/init.d from !fglrx |
| 19:51.12 | roxy_ | I can't log in localhost:631 using root/rootpassword. I reinstalled cupsys && pam. What else could I try ? |
| 19:51.13 | Xteven | does anyone know of a mailinglist manager software written with php/mysql ? I especially don't want to use mailman |
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| 19:51.22 | DaSkreech | Hello |
| 19:51.40 | creature | My sound is not working, even though I have all the modules loaded. It used to work, and now it doesn't. Has anything changed with Debian's Alsa lately? You can see my modules at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4002 |
| 19:51.48 | DaSkreech | Has there been any discussion to the streams that come bundled with Music players? |
| 19:52.04 | Braindead | smax: ask tarzeau |
| 19:52.11 | smax | tarzeau: can you help me? i get http://rafb.net/paste/results/HOaBvD77.html wheni run sh fglrx-driver start as root. |
| 19:53.00 | tarzeau | !fglrx |
| 19:53.01 | dpkg | from memory, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), but it's in sid only, not in etch, or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 19:53.10 | cahoot | creature: does yes | aplay produce sound? |
| 19:53.20 | tarzeau | smax: can you run sh -x fglrx-driver start and show me the output? |
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| 19:53.32 | creature | cahoot: aplay: main:550: audio open error: No such file or directory |
| 19:53.32 | smax | oh i'll try with -x |
| 19:53.35 | smax | but ok |
| 19:53.36 | JordiGH | Hm, where was that list where I can pay someone to fix my Debian system? |
| 19:53.42 | creature | cahoot: I'm in the "audio" group, and /dev/dsp exists. |
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| 19:54.35 | asg | JordiGH: http://www.debian.org/support#consultants |
| 19:54.54 | honschu | sepski: Wow, it really works ;-) I'm currently typing on my laptop within a vnc"viewer" ;-) |
| 19:54.59 | honschu | sepski: thanks |
| 19:55.07 | creature | cahoot: It was working, but I rebooted today and now it isn't. Plus, a few things that used to produce sound had stopped producing sound in the run-up to the reboot. |
| 19:55.07 | cahoot | creature: does /dev/snd exist? (thats where the native alsa 'devices' are) |
| 19:55.22 | creature | Yes, it does. |
| 19:55.29 | DaSkreech | Has there been any discussion to the format that streams that come bundled with Music players? |
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| 19:56.13 | creature | cahoot: See http://channels.debian.net/paste/4004 |
| 19:56.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: get anyhting out of that article ? |
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| 19:56.56 | sean_micken2 | hey how do i tell what packages depend on a given package? |
| 19:57.11 | cahoot | creature: looks you have not output (pcmC0D0p) |
| 19:57.13 | JordiGH | asg: Thanks. I was having a hard time finding it. |
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| 19:57.35 | Pryon | sean_micken2: apt-cache showpkg foo |
| 19:57.38 | creature | cahoot: OK. How do I fix it? |
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| 19:57.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes, there are some numbers, barrels can be converted to $$ easily. Also, I didn't know that USA is going to shift DST some more in 2007. |
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| 19:58.11 | cahoot | creature: I don't really know - try a reload av alsa |
| 19:59.12 | smax | tarzeau http://rafb.net/paste/results/lH7Yhd52.html |
| 19:59.24 | luke-jr_work | anyone want to do me a favour and backport iptables 1.3.5 to sarge? |
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| 19:59.29 | smax | with a sh -x fglrx-driver start |
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| 20:00.19 | creature | cahoot: I get errors when I do that. |
| 20:00.40 | creature | Ah, no I don't. |
| 20:00.47 | lord_rob | Is debian Sid configured for ipv6 by default ? This might be the source of my problems ... |
| 20:00.55 | creature | Awesome, that seems to have fixed it. |
| 20:01.28 | luke-jr_work | lord_rob, I would imagine so |
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| 20:01.35 | tarzeau | smax: what happens if you type dh_testdir in a shell? |
| 20:01.39 | luke-jr_work | IPv6 doesn't need much configuration |
| 20:01.47 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr_work: its in backports |
| 20:02.14 | luke-jr_work | h3sp4wn, 1.3.5 is? |
| 20:02.33 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr_work: 1.3.5.0debian1-1~bpo.1 |
| 20:02.47 | luke-jr_work | h3sp4wn, which backports are you using? it's not in the main one :( |
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| 20:02.58 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr_work: backports.org |
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| 20:03.06 | luke-jr_work | h3sp4wn, that only has 1.3.3 |
| 20:03.09 | smax | tarzeau: command not found. apt-get doesent have it. hmm |
| 20:03.15 | luke-jr_work | http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/i/iptables/ |
| 20:03.28 | tarzeau | smax: install debhelper |
| 20:03.32 | tarzeau | smax: and run the script again |
| 20:03.37 | creature | cahoot: Thanks very much. |
| 20:03.45 | lord_rob | luke-jr_work: I'm using sid. Is there a way to switch to ip4 only ? |
| 20:04.04 | lord_rob | luke-jr_work: it would be a nice temporary solution |
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| 20:04.22 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr_work: I am not using anything other than backports (but I am using 2.6.16-xen-1 so maybe that affects it) |
| 20:04.34 | smax | will do |
| 20:04.41 | luke-jr_work | lord_rob, recompile everything |
| 20:04.56 | luke-jr_work | h3sp4wn, why not just fix your problem? |
| 20:05.04 | luke-jr_work | h3sp4wn, :\ |
| 20:05.16 | luke-jr_work | lord_rob, why not just fix your problem? |
| 20:06.00 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr_work: what problem ? - its definately in the link you just gave (at the bottom) |
| 20:06.14 | h3sp4wn | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/i/iptables/iptables_1.3.5.0debian1-1~bpo.1_i386.deb |
| 20:06.16 | vin` | recompile everything? when did that start? |
| 20:06.48 | luke-jr_work | h3sp4wn, heh, so few files I missed it :x |
| 20:06.56 | luke-jr_work | vin`, IPv6 is a compile-time thing |
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| 20:07.40 | luke-jr_work | h3sp4wn, Unable to find a version "1.3.5.0debian1-1~bpo.1" for the package "iptables" |
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| 20:08.15 | razva | ok, folks, please check http://pictures.razva.info/test.php |
| 20:08.22 | razva | there's no trace of GD |
| 20:08.28 | razva | php4-gd installed |
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| 20:08.44 | razva | libgd2-xpm installed |
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| 20:09.13 | vin` | lord_rob: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 20:09.13 | razva | libgd2 is already the newest version. |
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| 20:10.06 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr_work: no idea I have it (and the file is there as you can see) |
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| 20:10.56 | kill4killin | hi, i'm trying to edit my shutdown.allow file, is there a certain way the users have to be put into that file to make them work |
| 20:11.13 | razva | valdyn can you please take a look? |
| 20:11.30 | lord_rob | luke-jr_work: because I don't know what my problem is. I can chat on irc using ksirc, surf the web with konqueror. But firefox doesn't work, neither does xchat, wget thunderbird or telnet ... :/ |
| 20:11.33 | smax | tarzeau: everthing went well. no error messages reported. fglrx is now in lspci. is 3D-Acceleration enabled too ? |
| 20:11.38 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr_work: Maybe you need 2.6.16 then |
| 20:11.41 | lord_rob | vin`: thanks for the link |
| 20:11.46 | Charminthemoose | what does 'calculating module dependancies' on boot mean? |
| 20:12.01 | tarzeau | smax: if your set fglrx in your x config file, yes |
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| 20:13.28 | luke-jr_work | h3sp4wn, I have it |
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| 20:14.01 | smax | tarzeau: where can I learn how to do that ? |
| 20:14.04 | luke-jr_work | lord_rob, rmmod ipv6 |
| 20:14.06 | prmths | anyone have any idea why xpm images #include'd and used through gdk_pixmap_create_from_xpm_d dont show up in debian? work great in gentoo... |
| 20:14.22 | tarzeau | smax: edit /etc/X/xorg.org and set the video driver to "fglrx" |
| 20:14.30 | tarzeau | smax: you have xorg, don't you? |
| 20:14.32 | smax | thats it? |
| 20:14.36 | tarzeau | that's it. |
| 20:14.38 | smax | xfree86 |
| 20:14.49 | luke-jr_work | h3sp4wn, well, I have 2.6.17 |
| 20:14.57 | tarzeau | then it's another filename in /etc/X11/ |
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| 20:15.15 | smax | yes i know what that is. |
| 20:15.18 | prmths | XF86Config-4 |
| 20:15.26 | smax | yes |
| 20:15.31 | smax | i'll edit it accordingly |
| 20:16.21 | kill4killin | when i edit shutdown.allow for some reason i add the user i want to allow to be able to shutdown the computer, the log in as that user, startx and nothing happens |
| 20:16.42 | luke-jr_work | h3sp4wn, oh well, downloading manually works |
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| 20:16.43 | lord_rob | luke-jr_work: ERROR: Module ipv6 is in use How can I see what program uses ipv6 ? Or I'll follow debian-administration guide |
| 20:16.59 | smax | whats that line to edit X with dpkg ? |
| 20:17.01 | luke-jr_work | ip -6 route |
| 20:17.09 | smax | im using xfree86 |
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| 20:17.36 | smax | and grep cannot find a driver field in XF86Config-4 |
| 20:18.01 | prmths | 'Driver' |
| 20:18.01 | prmths | case sensitive |
| 20:18.20 | jerb | or egrep -i 'blah' |
| 20:18.26 | prmths | yea |
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| 20:19.25 | abrotman | !drxx smax |
| 20:19.25 | dpkg | smax: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:19.34 | smax | ahh thanx pal |
| 20:21.02 | kill4killin | where is dpkg? |
| 20:21.09 | abrotman | dpkg: where are you |
| 20:21.09 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 20:21.25 | kill4killin | ...he didnt message me |
| 20:21.32 | abrotman | !tell kill4killin about where are you |
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| 20:21.39 | kill4killin | thanks |
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| 20:21.56 | bergeere | Hey guys I am trying to get a vnc server installed on debian. I installed apt-get install vncserver, then ran it and it said it started a server, i nmaped localhost and found it was on port 5901, so i goto my laptop install tighvnc (windows based laptop) then i telnet to my local ip on port 5901 and got a reponse and string, so it worked, ok, so i use the tight vnc client set ip and port, but it says connect failed.. anyone here use a vnc |
| 20:21.56 | bergeere | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:22.15 | kill4killin | he apparently doesnt know about shutdown.allow |
| 20:22.22 | prmths | anyone have any idea why xpm images #include'd and used through gdk_pixmap_create_from_xpm_d dont show up in debian? work great in gentoo... |
| 20:22.33 | prmths | i like tightvnc myslf |
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| 20:22.58 | roe_ | I'm trying to install debian using debootstrap, (etch) but it seems to be missing a lot of stuff ( ie only a few megs) is this known? |
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| 20:23.16 | soukihei | is there going to be an update to unstable for the gaim-data pkg? looks like i need 1:2.0.0+beta3.1-5 for gaim to install |
| 20:23.31 | abrotman | kill4killin: that's possible |
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| 20:24.07 | Yggdrasil | hi, i mounted a smb drive but i have no write permissions to it. when i log in as root i have them what am i doing wrong ? |
| 20:24.48 | h3sp4wn | roe_: Are you using the latest debootstrap ? |
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| 20:25.28 | roe_ | I am using knoppix 5.0 |
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| 20:26.03 | roe_ | so whatever version comes on that. (if that is what your question was) |
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| 20:26.19 | h3sp4wn | whatever version means nothing |
| 20:26.22 | bergeere | Anyone? |
| 20:26.26 | OmnipotentEntity | package broken, it's either python-wxgtk2.4 bittornado or python, I'm suspecting the responsibility lies with python-wxgtk2.4 though. |
| 20:26.32 | h3sp4wn | roe_: What exact version |
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| 20:27.56 | OmnipotentEntity | Anyway, wxPython.wx wasn't in my path, so I had to manually add it. |
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| 20:28.18 | OmnipotentEntity | Just letting anyone else who had this problem know. |
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| 20:29.44 | OmnipotentEntity | (in unstable of course :3) |
| 20:30.03 | DaSkreech | Has there been any discussion to the format that streams that come bundled with Music players? |
| 20:30.09 | h3sp4wn | roe_: Use kanotix or build debootstrap manually or try cdebootstrap |
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| 20:30.44 | smax | hi guys |
| 20:30.54 | smax | my fglrx is working great. |
| 20:30.59 | smax | my game runs fine. |
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| 20:31.15 | roe_ | h3sp4wn: ok, how do I check the version of debootstrap though |
| 20:31.25 | prmths | smax: good news :) |
| 20:31.41 | h3sp4wn | roe_: open the debootstrap file (its just a shell script) |
| 20:32.05 | sarefo | hi, i have my network problem again: the dsl router works fine, but from my machine the dhcp seems to break down on an irregular basis (worked ok for hours, now goes down every minute or so). when it goes down, ifup eth0 tells me that i have a connection, and when i do 'dhclient', it reports the exact same thing than when it's working, but takes longer; and after dhclient, it works again for a short while. any ideas? |
| 20:32.09 | smax | to get my resolution smaller than 800x600 (preferably 1024x720), would that be a configureation in XF86Config-4 |
| 20:32.09 | sarefo | it's not about the cable, which works fine, and connection to the router from other machines works ok. |
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| 20:32.24 | smax | i used !frxx |
| 20:32.32 | prmths | need to add a modeline |
| 20:32.38 | smax | !tell smax about frxx |
| 20:32.49 | smax | !tell smax about frxxx |
| 20:32.58 | dvs | smax: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 20:33.02 | h3sp4wn | roe_: aptitude show debootstrap (on debian that would work) if not ask #knoppix (I don't know anything about it - but I do know kanotix is alot more debian compatible) |
| 20:33.13 | smax | oh yea |
| 20:33.14 | smax | thanx |
| 20:33.30 | sarefo | btw, is there a 'ping' program around that does the submarine 'ping' sound? that would be really cool :) |
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| 20:33.40 | roe_ | h3sp4wn: thanx |
| 20:33.57 | jelly-home | sarefo: your question deserves a well placed lol |
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| 20:34.42 | prmths | ping -a f00.org |
| 20:34.50 | sarefo | jelly-home: yeah, but there's a reason for this: because my dhcp disconnects on a random basis, i have 'ping -a' running, and the computer beeper is annoying |
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| 20:35.33 | prmths | :) |
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| 20:36.15 | jelly-home | sarefo: heh. Tried googling for ping.wav or ping.mp3? :-P |
| 20:36.15 | smax | i cant find anything in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to use a resulotion of 1024x720. fglrx is fine since my game is working smoothly |
| 20:36.22 | esteel | can anyone help me with compiz? i installed the packets in unstable but when i start compiz i loose all the windowdecorations.. the rest seems to work though. I can change opacity and see the whobble effect for example. |
| 20:36.22 | DaSkreech | Has there been any discussion to the format that streams that come bundled with Music players? |
| 20:36.36 | dm_ | Hello. How can I define for a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ on which interface it should be executed? Is the interface name givewn as an $1 argument? |
| 20:36.50 | esteel | how do i get compiz to show the windowdecorations? :) |
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| 20:36.55 | jelly-home | DaSkreech: yes, just a moment ago on #amarok ;-) |
| 20:37.13 | DaSkreech | Thanks jelly-home :-) |
| 20:37.35 | jetscreamer | i'm gonna mount /usr/share on a different hd. do i need anything special in fstab, for the mount options, or just 'defaults' will work |
| 20:37.38 | sarefo | jelly-home: well, even if i had the ping sound, i would not know of a way to put it into the ping program... |
| 20:37.43 | smax | tarzeau: i used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to configure my X config file and it worked (hence my game runs smoothly), what do i need to do to have a resolution of 1024x720 rather than 800x600 ? |
| 20:38.15 | tarzeau | smax: also edit the x configuration file |
| 20:38.17 | Yggdrasil | can somone please help me with mounting a cifs share ? |
| 20:38.19 | tarzeau | smax: which game is that? |
| 20:38.22 | esteel | smax: just enter the resolution in /etx/X11/xorg.conf with a editor of your choice? :) |
| 20:38.27 | tarzeau | Yggdrasil: do you have debian? |
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| 20:38.31 | smax | tarzeau: UT2004 |
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| 20:38.44 | Yggdrasil | oh haha tarzeau wrong # thanks |
| 20:38.48 | sarefo | ok, so if nobody can help me with getting my dhcp stable: any ideas how to automatically run dhclient whenever there is no connection from my machine to the router? as i said, ifup eth0 tells me i do have a connection. and 'ping -W 2; ifdown eth0;ifup eth0' (if no ping for 2 seconds, reconnect) does not work. |
| 20:38.53 | smax | do yous happen to know the name of the field for resolution? |
| 20:38.54 | TreMobyl | where do I go for help with debian on itanium? |
| 20:39.02 | tarzeau | TreMobyl: here |
| 20:39.05 | Yggdrasil | im baked i think. sorry |
| 20:39.09 | sarefo | mainly because ping won't exit after 2 seconds of no ping, or like ever. |
| 20:39.13 | TreMobyl | tarzeau: cool. |
| 20:39.15 | g333k_work | is is true that we are moving to irc.oftc.net ? |
| 20:39.22 | tarzeau | g333k_work: no |
| 20:39.26 | g333k_work | is it * |
| 20:39.26 | TreMobyl | tarzeau: thought there might be a more specialized area or something |
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| 20:39.32 | tarzeau | g333k_work: we stay here |
| 20:39.38 | jelly-home | sarefo: I'm guessing something like ping foo | while read line; do; play foo.wav &; done |
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| 20:39.49 | g333k_work | why is this rumour going around ? |
| 20:39.51 | TreMobyl | what kernel package should I use for a dual-proc Itanium II box? |
| 20:39.51 | smax | grep res XF86Config-4 has no results |
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| 20:40.00 | tarzeau | g333k_work: irc.debian.org is pointing to oftc |
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| 20:40.02 | jelly-home | sarefo: wait, do you want it to ping on a successful ping or when it doesn't work? |
| 20:40.11 | tarzeau | g333k_work: but that doesn't mean you are not allowed to stay where it used to point to |
| 20:40.13 | g333k_work | ohh |
| 20:40.20 | esteel | smax: look for "Modes" in the the "Screen" section.. |
| 20:40.21 | smax | oh i think it's modes |
| 20:40.23 | smax | right |
| 20:40.24 | smax | thanx |
| 20:40.43 | eichi | if you deleted a config file (apache2.conf maybe)...what can you do to create the default again? install again or what? |
| 20:40.50 | jelly-home | sarefo: I have a script that restarts my flaky VPN connection if it can't ping a host on the other side. |
| 20:41.01 | sarefo | jelly-home: the ping would be on a successfull ping; the other thing was an idea if i can get my dhcp to reconnect automatically, so that i don't have to check it *with my ears*!!! :) |
| 20:41.12 | esteel | smax: there are several for each of the color resolutions.. normaly only the Depth 24 needs to be changed.. but its nice to keep them in sync ;) |
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| 20:42.16 | jetscreamer | i'm gonna mount /usr/share on a different hd. do i need anything special in fstab, for the mount options, or just 'defaults' will work |
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| 20:42.23 | jzxu | has anyone else had problems described in this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=391121 |
| 20:42.45 | jelly-home | sarefo: ping | while ... loop would be a good start then |
| 20:42.58 | jzxu | the package maintainer doesn't seem to be responding and it has really rendered my system unusable |
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| 20:43.51 | sarefo | jelly-home: thx, i'm right now trying this out, works nice :) now i *do* have to get a 'ping' sound |
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| 20:45.56 | boodi1 | Hi: is it possible to add a HD and make it an extension of /home? |
| 20:46.08 | jelly-home | sarefo: to be more correct you'd actually need a ping when a packet is sent and a pong when it comes back. ;-) |
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| 20:46.46 | psycose | hi |
| 20:46.46 | epsilon | boodi1: you can hook it up on any directory |
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| 20:47.00 | karsten | boodi1: If you want to move /home to the new disk: install, partition, copy /home over, modify /etc/fstab, and mount |
| 20:47.12 | karsten | boodi1: If you want to logically combine multiple disks, use LVM (with caution). |
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| 20:47.26 | sarefo | jelly-home: ah cool, found it from a military sample site :) |
| 20:47.36 | boodi1 | ok - but suppose you have a debian box , with /home already there ... |
| 20:47.54 | karsten | boodi1: http://www.storm.ca/~yan/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html |
| 20:48.03 | karsten | boodi1: See what I said. |
| 20:48.16 | karsten | boodi1: Copy the existing data to the new drive. Mount the new drive as home. |
| 20:48.33 | sarefo | jelly-home: heh right, i'm using the ping sound for a pong event :) |
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| 20:49.11 | karsten | boodi1: Mind that this doesn't free up the space under your old home until you delete it. I'd suggest as a step prior to mounting: mv /home /home-old; mkdir /home; mount /home (you've already modified /etc/fstab at this point). |
| 20:49.29 | boodi1 | aha; but you cannot have /home partly on one disk and partly on another; in other words you move /home to a second disk |
| 20:49.36 | karsten | boodi1: /msg dpkg fundamentals as well. You're failing to grasp some of the concepts behind linux / unix filesystems. |
| 20:49.47 | karsten | boodi1: Um. No. You can do that too, and I told you how, with LVM. |
| 20:49.50 | TreMobyl | boodi1: not without doing a raid 0 |
| 20:49.53 | sarefo | any idea what's the easiest/fastest way to convert real-audio to wav? ... |
| 20:49.54 | karsten | boodi1: However it's rather less straightforward. |
| 20:50.00 | karsten | TreMobyl: Or LVM, easier. |
| 20:50.09 | TreMobyl | what about overlay mounts? |
| 20:50.16 | karsten | TreMobyl: What about them? |
| 20:50.17 | DaSkreech | re rip the CD |
| 20:50.36 | psycose | On Debian Etch i saw that the gnat package is available for sparc !! sounds great ! the problem is when i look deeper in the dependencies i saw that lib-gnat depends on libunwind7 which exist only on ia64 !! is it a problem for the gnat package on sparc ? thanks |
| 20:50.37 | karsten | sarefo: Kidnap the originator, have him hand over the original audio recording, re-rip it. |
| 20:50.39 | boodi1 | LVM = Logical Volume Manager (or something alike)? |
| 20:50.41 | TreMobyl | karsten: I'm not very familiar with them. Is there some way of directing creats at one or the other? |
| 20:50.44 | karsten | boodi1: Yes. |
| 20:50.45 | karsten | !lvm |
| 20:50.46 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 20:50.48 | jetx | oh sure you answer HIM |
| 20:50.59 | karsten | boodi1: There's a very good howto at http://www.ltsp.org/ |
| 20:51.04 | TreMobyl | !ia64 |
| 20:51.04 | dpkg | i guess ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon, it is NOT ia64 |
| 20:51.18 | karsten | boodi1: Erm. http://www.tldp.org LTSP is another creature. |
| 20:51.25 | TreMobyl | full of awesome. :) |
| 20:51.28 | TreMobyl | dpkg: you rock |
| 20:51.28 | dpkg | :), TreMobyl |
| 20:51.42 | TreMobyl | dpkg: feel the love |
| 20:52.22 | jetx | !sacrifice teh channel |
| 20:52.29 | dvs | dpkg: kill TreMobyl |
| 20:52.37 | Bhavesh | hi dpkg |
| 20:52.58 | sarefo | karsten: lol but mplayer could probably do this. the problem is that my mplayer does not seem to have 'mencoder' included, and i'm a bit too tired to reinstall it right now. |
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| 20:53.26 | karsten | sarefo: re-ripping from one lossy codec to another is pretty much the definition of teh suck. |
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| 20:53.50 | jetx | apt-get install mencoder |
| 20:53.54 | wilcox | !md5 |
| 20:53.55 | sarefo | karsten: you don't know what i need it for ;) |
| 20:53.56 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 20:53.57 | jelly-home | sarefo: mencoder comes in a separate package, if you're using marillat's repositories |
| 20:53.57 | karsten | sarefo: For a spoken audio stream it might be acceptable. For music, not. |
| 20:54.09 | TreMobyl | karsten: I thought win32 was |
| 20:54.18 | sarefo | sucky is ok :) |
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| 20:54.45 | jelly-home | sarefo: what, your ping sample is in a sucky format? ;-) |
| 20:55.10 | karsten | sarefo: There's a few bits I've heard about grabbing audio off of rplayer output and capturing it. GIYF. |
| 20:55.25 | DaSkreech | Which real player? |
| 20:55.41 | jetx | the one that says realplayer |
| 20:55.51 | sarefo | ah damn, they want 1.85$ for a ping sound. suckers |
| 20:55.52 | jetx | iirc the helix one does rp though |
| 20:56.04 | DaSkreech | Pong |
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| 20:56.06 | jelly-home | giyf sounds like "buggered if I know" |
| 20:56.16 | boodi1 | Is there an alernative to realplayer? I have an etch on AMD64, and it seems hat real hasn't manufactured a realplayer for 64bits |
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| 20:56.45 | jelly-home | boodi1: mplayer does some rtsp:// streams. |
| 20:56.48 | karsten | boodi1: marillat's your best bet, may rely on win32 codecs though (still not 64). |
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| 20:57.05 | Yggdrasil | how do i find out my uid ? |
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| 20:57.14 | javaJake | I get this error on an i810 device: "[drm] drmSetBusid failed (7, pci:0000:00:02.0), Permission denied" any ideas??? |
| 20:57.16 | jelly-home | Yggdrasil: id |
| 20:57.33 | javaJake | It's a DRI/M issue... hoping someone knows what it is |
| 20:57.38 | javaJake | I've tried 4 IRC channels so far. |
| 20:57.39 | javaJake | :( |
| 20:59.03 | zenwryly | What webmail package do any of you recommmend? |
| 20:59.06 | abrotman | !info vsound sarge |
| 20:59.14 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 20:59.15 | jelly-home | javaJake: you may have to go with heavy artillery and ask on a mailing list! |
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| 20:59.31 | Guerin | zenwryly: all webmail packages are shit in some way. It depends what you're prepared to put up with. |
| 20:59.33 | wilcox | zenwryly: squirrelmail |
| 20:59.40 | wilcox | easy to setup.. |
| 20:59.40 | roe_ | zenwryly: are you looking for robust or pretty? |
| 20:59.42 | javaJake | jelly-home, rats... well, OK |
| 20:59.43 | abrotman | horse! |
| 20:59.45 | abrotman | horde |
| 20:59.54 | javaJake | jelly-home, would you happen to know the mailing list right now? |
| 20:59.55 | Guerin | bah, horde is a behemoth |
| 21:00.06 | zenwryly | roe_: hmm, not sure. WHat would you recommend for each? |
| 21:00.09 | abrotman | javaJake: have you tried #dri ? |
| 21:00.14 | roe_ | robust == horde |
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| 21:00.30 | roe_ | it can be a bear though |
| 21:00.32 | Daveman | :) |
| 21:00.34 | scoff | hallo where i find the newest version the ldp , user guide ? |
| 21:00.39 | scoff | pls url |
| 21:00.39 | wilcox | speed + easy setup = squirrelmail |
| 21:00.40 | Guerin | horde is robust if you consider acres and acres of extra complicated php robust |
| 21:00.45 | abrotman | scoff: ldap ? |
| 21:00.47 | javaJake | abrotman, oh yay... another IRC channel to try out... well, here goes... (btw, thanks!) |
| 21:00.47 | jelly-home | javaJake: hmm, nope. ask at #xorg what would be an appropriate list. ;-) BTW your /dev/dri/card0 is mode 666 right? |
| 21:00.48 | scoff | in tldp.org i dont find |
| 21:00.52 | abrotman | Guerin: it's "extensible" :) |
| 21:00.52 | zenwryly | Guerin: could you list what you think the problems are with some? |
| 21:01.05 | abrotman | javaJake: dri.sf.net has troubleshooting docs |
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| 21:01.11 | javaJake | jelly-home, Uh no... |
| 21:01.12 | abrotman | if sf.net is working today |
| 21:01.16 | nash-20 | hi |
| 21:01.18 | javaJake | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 2006-10-09 07:40 /dev/dri/card0 |
| 21:01.23 | abrotman | that's 666 |
| 21:01.23 | wilcox | hi |
| 21:01.24 | nash-20 | anyone have installed usplash on debian? |
| 21:01.24 | zenwryly | roe_: how do you think horde is a bear specifically? |
| 21:01.46 | javaJake | abrotman, oh..... ok |
| 21:01.46 | jelly-home | javaJake: that's 666 (that's ok). |
| 21:01.46 | Guerin | zenwryly: 1. they're almost all php 2. squirrelmail uses frames and is a bit unreliable 3. horde is a massive obese bloated sumo wrestler of a thing |
| 21:01.47 | beardy | nash-20: No. But someone, perhaps. |
| 21:01.47 | Guerin | and horde is a BASTARD to set up |
| 21:01.47 | roe_ | I know we had to beat it with a stick for a while to get it to work with maildirs |
| 21:01.52 | Guerin | anbd needs a database, etc. |
| 21:01.54 | zenwryly | Guerin: hehe, thanks |
| 21:02.22 | javaJake | jelly-home, "...people have said that it's due to the modules being built with a different gcc than the kernel. Make sure they are in sync." |
| 21:02.23 | roe_ | zenwryly: are you using mbox or maildirs? |
| 21:02.25 | javaJake | How do I do that? |
| 21:02.26 | wilcox | still.. unreliable is not true |
| 21:02.28 | jelly-home | nash-20: is usplash what ubuntu uses? That's nice. |
| 21:02.32 | psycose | Is libunwind7 package only necessary for i64 ? i think i has not undestand for packages.debian.org info on package arch ... |
| 21:02.38 | wilcox | (if you keep up with the updates) |
| 21:02.38 | zenwryly | roe_: courier, so maildir |
| 21:02.41 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. it's actually pretty easy .. i think you're confused |
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| 21:02.57 | sarefo | :( mencoder understands real audio, but expects a video file only :( |
| 21:03.01 | abrotman | and it also doesn't require a database |
| 21:03.02 | Guerin | abrotman: it may be now. I installed it a couple eyars ago. |
| 21:03.03 | nash-20 | jelly-home, yes |
| 21:03.05 | jelly-home | javaJake: are you using Debian's kernel? |
| 21:03.18 | abrotman | Guerin: it takes me about 10 minutes to setup horde/imp *with* a database :) |
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| 21:03.25 | wilcox | zenwryly: why not try each one out.. and see which one fits the hand |
| 21:03.27 | wilcox | :) |
| 21:03.35 | nash-20 | but it is on debian sources |
| 21:03.46 | jelly-home | javaJake: output of uname -a please |
| 21:03.47 | wilcox | abrotman: it takes me 1 minute to setup squirrelmail |
| 21:03.48 | wilcox | :P |
| 21:04.03 | zenwryly | wilcox: well that's what asking these questions is about, cheating that process :) |
| 21:04.21 | wilcox | zenwryly: getting lazy? |
| 21:04.22 | wilcox | :P |
| 21:04.25 | abrotman | wilcox: i meant getting the source .. and setting the whole thing up .. i don't use the debian packages |
| 21:04.27 | jelly-home | wilcox: IMP looks nicer! :-) |
| 21:04.35 | zenwryly | wilcox: of course! WHy do you think I run debian? |
| 21:04.36 | jelly-home | !start a webmail war |
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| 21:04.53 | wilcox | let's all go to #the-best-webmail-client |
| 21:05.18 | abrotman | no need .. it's obviously OWA |
| 21:05.26 | javaJake | jelly-home, no I am using Ubuntu. But I heard great things about debian peoples, so... :D |
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| 21:05.43 | karsten | jetx: The helix player *doesn't* do realplayer streams of at least one major sort. |
| 21:05.49 | javaJake | Besides the Ubuntu channel is so crowded, you can't get help unless it is a solution everyone knows |
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| 21:05.52 | helo | is there an easy way in bash to select a random file in a directory? |
| 21:05.55 | karsten | jetx: Sort of a massive PITA. |
| 21:05.56 | w0rd54 | javaJake: indeed |
| 21:06.01 | Guerin | the best webmail client is clearly ssh/mutt |
| 21:06.05 | karsten | javaJake: And that's our problem how? |
| 21:06.05 | w0rd54 | javaJake: #ubuntu is fscked! |
| 21:06.05 | abrotman | karsten: it doesn't do any RP proprietary format |
| 21:06.10 | abrotman | there's a faq for that |
| 21:06.14 | wilcox | Guerin: that's not webmail |
| 21:06.20 | karsten | abrotman: OK, I wasn't sure which, but it makes helix pretty damned useless. |
| 21:06.22 | jelly-home | javaJake: hmm, you'll have to ask ubuntu if they have messed with drm modules. I'm guessing not but who knows... |
| 21:06.23 | Guerin | wilcox: i can download it off the web :) |
| 21:06.31 | wilcox | no you can't |
| 21:06.33 | zenwryly | Guerin: well yeah, it's not for me :) |
| 21:06.35 | karsten | abrotman: The player, er, the software, not the person. |
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| 21:06.43 | zenwryly | Guerin: though I must say its ssh and gnus |
| 21:06.48 | wilcox | web means WWW = webpages |
| 21:06.58 | karsten | wilcox: ssh port 80. |
| 21:07.00 | Guerin | wilcox: web means 'on a http server' |
| 21:07.11 | wilcox | bull |
| 21:07.21 | wilcox | :P |
| 21:07.24 | Guerin | wilcox: anyway, you lose, for treating my stupidness as a serious statement |
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| 21:07.25 | sarefo | ok, now that i have got an ultra-cool radar ping on my machine, maybe we can sort out why my dhcp goes down all the time? ;) |
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| 21:07.45 | boodi1 | bye |
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| 21:07.48 | wilcox | Guerin: thanks for the thropy |
| 21:07.50 | wilcox | :) |
| 21:07.55 | karsten | helo: ls | while read FILE; do echo $RANDOM $FILE; done | sort | head -1 |
| 21:08.01 | menko | hi, does anyone know a good way of converting postscript (ps) to pdf? I tried ps2pdf but the text output is wavy.. So anyone know? |
| 21:08.11 | dm_ | Does anyone know how to run a /etc/network/if-up.d/ script only for one interface? (Sorry if it had been answered before while my connection was down.) |
| 21:08.14 | wilcox | bring it on! |
| 21:08.15 | wilcox | :) |
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| 21:08.22 | sarefo | as i said, it seems that dhcp goes down by itself irregularly. why could that be? |
| 21:08.37 | Guerin | menko: you probably need some fonts installed. ps2pdf is the way. |
| 21:08.37 | Braindead | dm_: just put it on the "up" of the interface |
| 21:08.52 | soulhunter_ | hii i have a problem whit Guild Wars my Keyboard will not work whit cedega :( |
| 21:08.53 | abrotman | karsten: it's not useless .... some people like the interface .. but i wish it had some binary plugin crap to support RP media |
| 21:09.08 | Guerin | soulhunter_: don't use cedega -> problem solved |
| 21:09.14 | abrotman | karsten: that said .. last time i tried RP for linux (10 i think) it didn't play RP media anyways |
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| 21:09.17 | karsten | helo: Or if you want just the filename: ls | while read FILE; do echo $RANDOM "$FILE"; done | sort -nr | head -1 | sed 's/^[0-9]* //' |
| 21:09.21 | karsten | abrotman: Heh. |
| 21:09.32 | karsten | abrotman: What *does* helix play? I never could sort that out. |
| 21:09.40 | menko | Guerin: the text is readable, but "wavy", some letters are up and some down. SO I need to install a font? |
| 21:09.46 | dm_ | Braindead: There's an up for each interface? |
| 21:09.54 | soulhunter_ | and what i have to use wine? |
| 21:09.59 | karsten | abrotman: NM. apt-cache show. |
| 21:10.10 | Braindead | dm_: man interfaces |
| 21:10.12 | karsten | abrotman: Any reason you're aware of for losing the RAM codecs? |
| 21:10.23 | Guerin | menko: i had issues like that, and I think you need to install (or specify correctly) some type 1 postscript fonts ... though you're probably better asking in #latex or some such place |
| 21:10.36 | menko | ps |
| 21:10.46 | menko | oops, sorry |
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| 21:11.23 | karsten | abrotman: ... and the RP UI is ass IMO anyhow. |
| 21:11.33 | w0rd54 | ps aux | grep irssi | cut -d" " -f 2 |
| 21:11.52 | dm_ | Braindead: Aah, as an option in /etc/.../interfaces ... So the script has to be placed elsewhere and called from the up or pre-up command. Fine. |
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| 21:12.51 | abrotman | karsten: all subjective :) |
| 21:12.51 | EdLin | karsten: the UI for most *nix media-players are sub-optimal. RP has improved some, but it's still mediocre. |
| 21:12.51 | abrotman | karsten: basically all the normal free codecs |
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| 21:12.52 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah. Might was well use xmms. |
| 21:13.13 | EdLin | xmms++ (except when you need realaudio - though I think the latest mplayers have support for that) |
| 21:13.14 | abrotman | pretty much .. unless you like the UI |
| 21:13.15 | karsten | EdLin: It's big, its In My Face, it's clunky, and it doesn't do a bunch of intuitive stuff like clear URL fields automtacally, have readline support, etc. |
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| 21:13.28 | karsten | EdLin: xmms is at the very least small, winamp got that right. |
| 21:13.28 | abrotman | EdLin: anything using w32codecs does |
| 21:14.23 | karsten | EdLin: Do you have any info on realaudio support for xmms? Used to be a libreal.so lib you could extract and drop into the xmms plugins directory, but that hack doesn't work any more. |
| 21:14.32 | karsten | EdLin: What's your favorite editor? |
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| 21:14.56 | EdLin | karsten: it's big, but its small compared to compared to rhythembox. |
| 21:15.02 | EdLin | karsten: vi |
| 21:15.13 | karsten | EdLin: Point, haven't tried that or amorak yet. |
| 21:15.16 | karsten | EdLin: Not edlin? |
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| 21:15.30 | sulo | hi |
| 21:15.46 | Quiznos | greetings; my channel #linux-ops was stolen from me by staffer.Rob after negotiations with Christel and others failed concerning management by regulars of ##linux. there is NO more liberty on Freenode by PDPC personnel. a groups of us are leaving for irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:15.49 | EdLin | karsten: I used edlin as a primitive patch utility for a Pro-YAM script package. |
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| 21:16.09 | EdLin | karsten: that was about all it was good for, and no, I didn't select the patch system. :-) |
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| 21:16.15 | karsten | EdLin: ;-) |
| 21:16.22 | anarcat | anyone running jack/ardour here? |
| 21:16.27 | anarcat | i'm having trouble getting realtime |
| 21:16.32 | psycose | I'm working with debian etch sparc64 (the install was very cool) |
| 21:16.55 | abrotman | !prize psycose |
| 21:16.59 | blondie | maybe quiznos didn't speak english. |
| 21:17.05 | abrotman | anarcat: you mean jackd ? |
| 21:17.07 | anarcat | the realtime-lsm module is hell to compile, because i cannot recompile my kernel. make-kpkg says that the kernel-patches-vserver package doesn't carry patches for 2.6.18 |
| 21:17.11 | anarcat | abrotman: yes |
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| 21:17.46 | abrotman | !tell smax about root |
| 21:17.54 | abrotman | anarcat: just making sure since jack and jackd are different |
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| 21:18.05 | psycose | i've got a package named gnat that also depend on a package called libunwind7 that only exist on ia64 (my source is packages.debian.org) Does this mean that i can't install the gnat package on my sparc64 ? thanks |
| 21:18.20 | anarcat | abrotman: oh, right |
| 21:19.03 | abrotman | psycose: get the source package and try to build it |
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| 21:20.43 | karsten | psycose: part of qprof? |
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| 21:21.25 | karsten | psycose: apt-cache show gprof suggests that libunwind is only available on some platforms. You may not need it. |
| 21:21.52 | karsten | psycose: What arch are you on? |
| 21:22.15 | psycose | karsten, gnat depends on gnat-4.1 depend on libunwind7 [ia64] but may be i missundestand the output of packages.debian.org ... |
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| 21:22.42 | karsten | psycose: That's going to be arch-dependent. On your system: "apt-cache show gnat" and check deps. |
| 21:22.44 | jelly-home | psycose: you're on sparc right? So that doesn't apply to you. |
| 21:22.54 | psycose | karsten, i'm on Debian Etch DI beta 3 running a sun blade 150 sparc64 ;-) |
| 21:23.07 | karsten | psycose: As I said, ^^ |
| 21:23.08 | h3sp4wn | anarcat: You want run jackd on a vserver ? the optimisations you get for a vserver are the opposite of what you need to real time preemption |
| 21:23.17 | h3sp4wn | anarcat: *for |
| 21:24.28 | psycose | well i don't have lan connection on it so i will sneaker all packages... (so i don't saw those packages on apt-cache) gnat is in the CD 8 ... and some other gnat packages are in CD 16 !! so i won't doanload them .. |
| 21:24.37 | javaJake | jelly-home, think I found the issue. I ened to load "drm" module |
| 21:24.38 | javaJake | BRB |
| 21:24.38 | anarcat | h3sp4wn: i'm running jack on the master vserver |
| 21:24.55 | anarcat | h3sp4wn: in other words, i'm aware of that :) |
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| 21:25.32 | h3sp4wn | anarcat: The i/o scheduler choice would be the 2 ends of the scale |
| 21:26.04 | anarcat | h3sp4wn: what if i run jackd in the root server? ie. not in a vserver? |
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| 21:27.09 | h3sp4wn | anarcat: That kernel will be optimised for running vservers (which will make it shit for running jackd) |
| 21:27.31 | Guerin | anarcat: what he's saying is: don't run jackd in any sort of multi-purpose box |
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| 21:27.46 | Guerin | anarcat: if you're doing specialist work, use a specialist tool |
| 21:27.55 | scy | hi. any torrent client which supports a proxy server? bittorrent, -tornado, rtorrent and mldonkey don't. |
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| 21:28.13 | anarcat | Guerin: i understand that. |
| 21:28.27 | anarcat | anyways, i have a problem compiling a custom 2.6.18+vserver in the first place... |
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| 21:29.00 | psycose | jelly-home, packages.debian.org display the following line [dep] libunwind7 (>= 0.98.5-6) [ia64] i thought that this packages is only ready for ia64 arch... but what you are saying is that only people running ia64 need it ... that's great... |
| 21:29.05 | h3sp4wn | anarcat: Why not compile 2.6.18 + mingo's patches first - (get jackd working) then put the vserver back afterwards |
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| 21:30.22 | runa | hey :) I've rented some backup space. I can login via rsync+ssh or ftp. I want to use rsync but it doesn't lets me upload my public key, so I can login automatically and run unattended. any other ways to do this? |
| 21:30.22 | yos | Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() ... what i need to install /?? |
| 21:30.46 | yos | ups |
| 21:30.53 | Braindead | omfg |
| 21:31.29 | anarcat | h3sp4wn: mingo's patches? |
| 21:31.38 | abrotman | yos: php4-mysql |
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| 21:31.49 | Guerin | runa: you can log in by ssh; use scp to upload your key |
| 21:31.54 | anarcat | h3sp4wn: i have not heard of that. that would be a proper solution if the vserver patchset had a patch for 2.6.18 |
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| 21:32.02 | Guerin | runa: it only needs to live in your homedir |
| 21:32.07 | yos | ii php5-mysql 5.1.6-1 MySQL module for php5 |
| 21:32.18 | daveb_ | Hi guys. I'm using unstable and I upgraded xorg when I shouldn't have, resulting in it now being incompatible with an out-of-tree xdriver (ivtvdev). So - i'm trying to downgrade xorg, by adding "Package: xorg, Pin: version 7.0 *, Pin-Priority:1001" (on seperate lines) in /etc/apt/preferences, but when I apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, it doesn't downgrade. Am I missing something? |
| 21:32.21 | h3sp4wn | anarcat: http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/patch-2.6.18-rt5 - without that even attempting jackd is completely pointless (even with a pro audio grade card which I have) |
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| 21:32.24 | petemc | runa: you coudl cut n paste your key into the file |
| 21:32.49 | runa | Guerin: I did that, I uploaded identity.pub as ".ssh/authorized_keys" but even if ssh tries to login using that key, it seems the server refuses it: debug1: Offering public key: /root/.ssh/identity |
| 21:32.51 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 21:32.52 | yos | abrotman . php5-mysql 5.1.6-1 MySQL module for php5 |
| 21:32.52 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 21:32.58 | anarcat | h3sp4wn: interesting |
| 21:32.58 | h3sp4wn | anarcat: Well look in gentoo or other distro's someone may have vserver working |
| 21:33.11 | abrotman | yos: for apache2 ? |
| 21:33.12 | anarcat | h3sp4wn: i thought that realtime-lsm was all i needed... |
| 21:33.22 | yos | yes |
| 21:33.35 | anarcat | i used to run ardour + jackd on 2.4.27, but it's getting old... i had the capabilities and preempt patches in ,was working well |
| 21:33.35 | abrotman | yos: grep mysql /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini | grep exten |
| 21:33.39 | abrotman | get anything ? |
| 21:33.45 | Guerin | runa: authorized_keys should be a dir with keyfiles in it |
| 21:33.53 | yos | ;extension=mysql.so |
| 21:33.53 | yos | extension=mysql.so |
| 21:34.02 | Guerin | runa: yos #mysql |
| 21:34.05 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:34.13 | abrotman | yos: have you restarted apache ? |
| 21:34.14 | Guerin | yos: #mysql |
| 21:34.23 | abrotman | it's not a mysql problem |
| 21:34.32 | Guerin | no, it's a pebcak problem |
| 21:34.40 | abrotman | yes .. but #mysql isn't going to be able to help |
| 21:34.50 | runa | Guerin: really? I always use ssh-copy-id |
| 21:34.56 | Guerin | magyar: they can tell him how to read the documentation |
| 21:35.08 | yos | #mysql will send me to #php |
| 21:35.14 | Guerin | yos: so go there |
| 21:35.16 | abrotman | and ##php will send you here |
| 21:35.24 | Guerin | they shouldn't |
| 21:35.26 | yos | yes abr |
| 21:35.27 | abrotman | yes they should |
| 21:35.31 | Guerin | no way |
| 21:35.31 | h3sp4wn | anarcat: I have never got it working properly without those patches (and they are very invasive) so the chances of any other big patches applying cleanly is low |
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| 21:35.37 | abrotman | yos: have you restarted apache ? |
| 21:35.38 | Guerin | it's a standard config issue |
| 21:35.50 | daveb_ | dpkg: ergh - i tried "dpkg -i /var/cache/archive/...", but of course i just get loads of dependancies - is there a way for apt to solve all those dependencies for me when downgrading? |
| 21:35.52 | dpkg | daveb_: what are you talking about? |
| 21:35.53 | yos | yea i killall -HUB |
| 21:35.56 | plus_M | I'm having some trouble doing a 64 bit Sarge net install |
| 21:35.59 | abrotman | yos: -HUP won't do it |
| 21:36.13 | yos | and rstart |
| 21:36.17 | yos | restart |
| 21:36.17 | runa | Guerin: from the SSH manual, The file ~/.ssh/authorized_keys lists the public keys that are permitted for logging in. |
| 21:36.22 | abrotman | yos: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 21:36.25 | anarcat | h3sp4wn: ouch |
| 21:36.26 | Guerin | runa: yeah, I just checked, I'm stupid |
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| 21:36.39 | daveb_ | dpkg: heh - i'm talking to a bot ;-) |
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| 21:36.55 | abrotman | apt-get -f install maybe |
| 21:37.03 | runa | Guerin: :) |
| 21:37.28 | Guerin | runa: i'd contact your host at this point, ask them how THEY would set up unattended ssh |
| 21:37.28 | runa | Guerin: yep, I was going to do that. tnx |
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| 21:38.19 | sarefo | any idea at what web forum i could ask about etch dhcp troubles? |
| 21:38.29 | abrotman | !forums |
| 21:38.30 | dpkg | hmm... forums is http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
| 21:38.30 | plus_M | I'm having some trouble with a 64 bit Sarge install |
| 21:38.42 | sarefo | thx |
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| 21:40.24 | d0ug | Hi. Trying to enable fglrx with modconf and I get this error: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-1-k7/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 21:41.27 | g00se | Following http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-edit.en.html at '11.3.5 Vim configuration' i *still* can't get any syntax highlighting in vi. Am i missing a package? |
| 21:42.17 | petemc | g00se: syntax on \n set background=dark in .vimrc works for me |
| 21:42.49 | plus_M | I'm having trouble with a 64 bit sarge netinstall. I tried most of the mirrors and none of them work, and then I tried to manually enter one at ftp://ftp.crans.org and it worked for a while but then the connection died. It seems that the website went down |
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| 21:42.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:42.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:43.01 | Kage` | Does debian have the ability like FreeBSD to limit su root to those in the wheel group? |
| 21:43.20 | g00se | petemc: I'm using stable. Are you? |
| 21:43.29 | petemc | g00se: on some boxes, yes |
| 21:43.38 | Kage` | Anyone known? :/ |
| 21:43.41 | Kage` | know^ |
| 21:43.41 | g00se | So it works on those then? |
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| 21:43.59 | amphi | Kage`: yes |
| 21:44.14 | Kage` | amphi, mind explaining how? I don't see any documentation on it :P |
| 21:44.28 | amphi | Kage`: see /etc/pam.d/su |
| 21:44.30 | daveb_ | Kage`: trey man sshd |
| 21:44.36 | plus_M | What am I supposed to do if the mirror from which I am doing an net install goes down partway through? |
| 21:44.37 | daveb_ | -e |
| 21:44.40 | Kage` | daveb_, it's not under sshd |
| 21:44.44 | Kage` | I looked |
| 21:44.50 | amphi | Kage`: see /etc/pam.d/su |
| 21:44.51 | Kage` | amphi, ah, pam, yes |
| 21:44.53 | minerale | grub does not seem to boot correctly anymore, the windows xp cd does not recognised the computer, the windows vista cd boots but can not repair the drive |
| 21:44.57 | runa | tnx! |
| 21:44.58 | minerale | Could someone help me, I have installed grub, and now my hard drive is corrupted |
| 21:45.10 | amphi | Kage`: the file is well commented |
| 21:45.17 | Kage` | Indeed |
| 21:45.18 | Kage` | Thanks |
| 21:45.25 | plus_M | What am I supposed to do if the mirror from which I am doing an net install goes down partway through? |
| 21:45.43 | amphi | Kage`: yw |
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| 21:45.46 | daveb_ | ahh - k |
| 21:46.17 | plus_M | Ok now it seems to be back up again |
| 21:46.38 | plus_M | So I did a net install, and partway through the mirror went down, and now it is back up again |
| 21:46.45 | plus_M | What is going to happen to the packages that timed out? |
| 21:47.08 | EdLin | !amphi++ |
| 21:47.47 | plus_M | Will it retry the failed gets? |
| 21:47.56 | plus_M | Could I please not be ignored? |
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| 21:48.28 | EdLin | plus_M: why don't you try it and see what it does. |
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| 21:49.12 | fwtest | where are those command "|", "<", ">" and so on located? |
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| 21:49.40 | EdLin | plus_M: it should be noted that AMD64 is not an officially supported Sarge architecture. |
| 21:50.09 | plus_M | Ok what is it that I am supposed to try, and also I knew that |
| 21:50.11 | EdLin | fwtest: they are built-in to the shells that support thme |
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| 21:50.15 | EdLin | them* |
| 21:50.27 | fwtest | EdLin, can i copy those commands in other folder? |
| 21:50.36 | fwtest | mit cp or something like that |
| 21:50.38 | EdLin | fwtest: no |
| 21:50.48 | EdLin | fwtest: like I said, they are part of the shell |
| 21:50.56 | fwtest | what about cp -v '<' /tmp ? |
| 21:51.00 | EdLin | fwtest: if you need to escape them, use single quotes |
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| 21:51.18 | Stork | what proxy server only accepts incoming connections on https ? |
| 21:51.20 | EdLin | fwtest: you don't want to do stuff like that. |
| 21:51.23 | phogg | fwtest: those are shell builtins, not commands |
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| 21:52.37 | fwtest | so we cant copy them? |
| 21:53.01 | EdLin | fwtest: why in the world do you want to? |
| 21:53.25 | EdLin | !amd64 plus_M |
| 21:53.47 | EdLin | !tell plus_M -about amd64 |
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| 21:54.19 | plus_M | Well the problem isn't so much about the AMD64 its about the netinstall process |
| 21:54.53 | plus_M | Will the netinstall retry failed gets? |
| 21:54.54 | fwtest | EdLin, i just wonder if i can do that, because i am doing some php script with safe mode on, and i cant use these commands "<" |
| 21:54.59 | EdLin | plus_M: netinstall might be flaky because not all mirrors have unsupported architectures... |
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| 21:55.26 | plus_M | Yeah but I found a mirror that does and it worked until the mirror went down and then came back up at which point I had missed several packages |
| 21:55.31 | redduck666 | any way to see all packages that depend on package ''foo''? |
| 21:55.38 | EdLin | fwtest: you can copy them, but doing so will cause nasty things to happen sometimes. That's why PHP is protecting you from that. |
| 21:56.04 | tuv | redduck666, apt-cache rdepends foo |
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| 21:56.38 | h3sp4wn | What is the method (or app to) set up a fake package (to satisfy a dependancy) |
| 21:56.41 | EdLin | fwtest: well, it's not really copying them, but its creating file names, all characters are *technically* allowed but / |
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| 21:57.02 | redduck666 | tuv: thanks |
| 21:57.11 | Blastur | anyone know how to get the absolute path of a bash script i'm making? like, getting the absolute directory of $0 |
| 21:57.15 | kml | hi, i want to mirror the exact root fs on to a remote system, would rsync -a option do the job? |
| 21:57.15 | EdLin | fwtest: but don't cry here if you break your system |
| 21:57.41 | tuv | h3sp4wn, equivs |
| 21:57.43 | fwtest | EdLin, i have asked in php channel, but seems no one can help me out with my problem. so i will try my luck here. i cant run wether system("aspell -H -a < $filename") nor system("aspell -H -a -c $filename"), dont know what i should do |
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| 21:57.48 | redduck666 | 23:59:27 < greybot> http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#faq28 -- How do I determine the location of my script? I want to read some config files from the same place. |
| 21:57.55 | redduck666 | Blastur: read that. |
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| 21:58.01 | h3sp4wn | tuv: Cheers |
| 21:58.09 | n00b | hi all |
| 21:58.12 | Blastur | thanks redduck666 |
| 21:58.36 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to use oowriter to create a bibliography of references at the end of a document? |
| 21:58.45 | n00b | unstable here, dist-upgraded, apache stopped working |
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| 21:59.06 | EdLin | n00b: if you're a n00b you shouldn't be running sid |
| 21:59.07 | sarefo_ | where do packages go that apt-get install downloads? |
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| 21:59.17 | tuv | kingsley, long live bibtex :) |
| 21:59.20 | n00b | EdLin: well, I am |
| 21:59.27 | petemc | crovax: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:59.31 | petemc | sarefo_: ^^ |
| 21:59.36 | sarefo_ | thx petemc |
| 21:59.48 | EdLin | n00b: things break, sometimes severely, in sid in a semi-regular basis. |
| 22:00.10 | kingsley | tuv: Can you elaborate? |
| 22:00.30 | n00b | EdLin: ok, no problem, as long as there's a fix, i don't mind fixing thngs and learning along the process |
| 22:00.42 | EdLin | n00b: use reportbug |
| 22:00.55 | tuv | kingsley, bibtex is how you do bibliographies in latex |
| 22:00.59 | EdLin | n00b: also you should have installed apt-listbugs if you haven't already. |
| 22:01.05 | sarefo_ | what could be the trouble if apt-get install gives me '99% [Working]' for a *long* time? |
| 22:01.14 | n00b | EdLin: thx for the tip |
| 22:01.15 | EdLin | !bts |
| 22:01.16 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 22:01.22 | n00b | i'll look into it |
| 22:01.24 | tuv | kingsley, if you don't know latex, then you're missing all the fun in creating pretty documents |
| 22:01.28 | petemc | sarefo_: hit ctl c and run it again |
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| 22:01.44 | sarefo_ | petemc: i did this several times already |
| 22:01.58 | EdLin | n00b: np |
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| 22:02.07 | kingsley | tuv: I use lyx for latex. But, today I'm using oowriter. |
| 22:02.11 | sarefo_ | after that it's at '50% [Working]' |
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| 22:02.23 | petemc | sarefo_: run apt-get update, or even try another mirror |
| 22:03.35 | sarefo_ | petemc: ah, it seems debian-multimedia.org is the problem. i'll kill it from the list and retry |
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| 22:04.57 | sarefo_ | nope, i deleted the line from sources-list, and ran apt-get update afterwards (which went okay afaics), and it still stops at 50% [Working] |
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| 22:05.33 | Hamselv | hi ... how can `I install an older package ? |
| 22:06.10 | sarefo_ | a different package installs ok. |
| 22:06.24 | Hamselv | i was trying to upgrade, and apt wanted to upgrade mysql-server to 5.0 but the one I had was 4.1 |
| 22:06.27 | tuv | Hamselv, where is the older package? |
| 22:06.32 | Hamselv | and it removed the old one |
| 22:07.07 | Hamselv | tuv: I dont have mysql-server-4.1 locally |
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| 22:07.25 | tuv | Hamselv, not even in /var/cache/apt/archives/? |
| 22:07.52 | Hamselv | tuv: nope |
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| 22:08.18 | Hamselv | shourd I fetch it from some package repo ? |
| 22:08.29 | tuv | Hamselv, if you really need it, you can find it in snapshot.debian.net |
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| 22:08.42 | tuv | Hamselv, but why do you need it when you have mysql-5 |
| 22:08.45 | tuv | ? |
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| 22:08.53 | Hamselv | tuv: it wontupgrade cause I have ISam tables |
| 22:09.02 | Hamselv | it needs to be at least myisam tables |
| 22:09.20 | Hamselv | tuv: I dont have 5 yet |
| 22:09.22 | Hamselv | :-) |
| 22:09.25 | Hamselv | it breaks |
| 22:09.32 | Hamselv | on install |
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| 22:09.58 | sysop | how can I restart the usb subsytem with rebooting? |
| 22:10.02 | sysop | without I mean. |
| 22:10.13 | tuv | Hamselv, you can find anything that has ever been in debian repos. in snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:10.29 | Hamselv | tuv: thnx |
| 22:11.02 | tuv | sysop, reload usb kernel modules maybe? |
| 22:11.14 | sysop | ok. |
| 22:11.48 | jelly-home | is there a way to declare dependency on Java >= 1.5? |
| 22:12.15 | Kage` | OH WHAT THE FUCK... I setup PAM to secure su, and now it locks me out |
| 22:12.17 | Kage` | ...GODDAMNIT.. |
| 22:12.32 | amphi | heh |
| 22:12.55 | jelly-home | Kage`: nice hole in the foot |
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| 22:14.12 | mrrcparish | anyone know a good CMS ? |
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| 22:14.30 | botch | hello there |
| 22:14.32 | karsten | mrrcparish: svn, hg, arch, darcs |
| 22:14.39 | karsten | !sledgehammer |
| 22:14.40 | dpkg | from memory, sledgehammer is You could have a steam train / If you'd just lay down your tracks / You could have an aeroplane flying / If you bring your blue sky back. |
| 22:14.51 | karsten | Oh wait, that's "hi there". NM. |
| 22:14.54 | botch | why does dpkg has permission problems while installing packages? |
| 22:14.56 | nokrev | In Xen (never used it), is it possible to have the main OS installed on the computer running, from a Live CD? I.e., if I had a computer running Windows, and then had a live linux distro, could I run Windows in Xen? |
| 22:15.09 | botch | i never experienced problems like that |
| 22:15.17 | karsten | nokrev: Um. That's how the Xen demo CD works ;-) |
| 22:15.29 | botch | but today it complains about missing permissions... |
| 22:15.31 | karsten | botch: What permissions errors? RO-mounted filesystem perhaps? |
| 22:15.34 | nokrev | karsten: oh sweet. I'm definitely gonna give it a shot, then. |
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| 22:16.01 | botch | karsten: what a simple answer ;) |
| 22:16.26 | botch | seems like my raid has troubles and mounted the filesystem readonly... |
| 22:16.37 | karsten | nokrev: Basically, it doesn't matter how you boot the dom0, note too that I haven't run 'Doze under Xen. |
| 22:16.40 | karsten | botch: ;-) |
| 22:16.45 | karsten | botch: Solve those RAID probs. |
| 22:16.59 | botch | erm |
| 22:17.03 | botch | no, it isn'T |
| 22:17.14 | botch | the root partitions is cleanly mounted rw |
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| 22:17.42 | karsten | botch: cat /proc/partitions |
| 22:17.50 | botch | where is the sandbox dpkg is working in? |
| 22:18.04 | karsten | botch: Note that if root is mounted ro, /etc/mtab *won't* report mount status accurately. |
| 22:18.13 | karsten | botch: Erm, sandbox? |
| 22:18.33 | botch | no sanbox? |
| 22:18.34 | karsten | botch: Anyhow, the specific perms errors might be of interest. /msg dpkg paster |
| 22:18.46 | karsten | botch: I've NFC what you're talking about WRT sandbox. |
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| 22:19.07 | botch | isn't dpkg unpacking a package to a sandbox first? |
| 22:19.15 | karsten | botch: Nope. |
| 22:19.24 | botch | well - ok. |
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| 22:19.54 | n00b | mrrcparish: joomla, textpattern |
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| 22:20.18 | karsten | n00b: You're talking about CMS, not SCM |
| 22:20.20 | karsten | !CMS |
| 22:20.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, cms is Content Management System, or postnuke, phpnuke, slashcode, drupal, scoop, vi + cvs |
| 22:20.21 | karsten | !SCM |
| 22:20.55 | jelly-home | vi+cvs? :-) |
| 22:21.16 | n00b | karsten: yes, the question was "mrrcparish>anyone know a good CMS ?" |
| 22:21.41 | karsten | dpkg: SCM is source code management. A/K/A revision control: svn, cvs, rcs, sccs, arch, darcs, tla, etc. |
| 22:21.42 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 22:21.56 | botch | damn it. even the pastebin raises errors :( |
| 22:21.56 | karsten | n00b: Feh |
| 22:21.58 | karsten | !shoot me |
| 22:22.08 | karsten | botch: Bad ram? |
| 22:22.18 | karsten | botch: Check /proc/mounts. |
| 22:22.23 | karsten | botch: Sounds like maybe /tmp? |
| 22:22.35 | g00se | Followed '11.3.5 Vim configuration' at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-edit.en.html but can't get syntax highlighting on |
| 22:22.47 | botch | there we go: http://paste.plone.org/10987 |
| 22:22.58 | amphi | g00se: :syn on |
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| 22:23.51 | karsten | botch: Well, check /usr/sbin/mkimapdcert. Is there an existing file preventing creation of a symlink? Is the file immutable? Directory perms? Mount perms? Filesystem errors? |
| 22:24.09 | karsten | botch: again: /proc/partitions, also check dmesg and /var/log/kern.log for errors |
| 22:24.10 | g00se | amphi: This is what i get on Sarge when i try that: 'The syn command is unknown'. Same with 'syntax' |
| 22:24.13 | botch | karsten: hm. let me see |
| 22:24.18 | karsten | !tell g00se about installit |
| 22:24.33 | karsten | g00se: Oh. |
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| 22:24.43 | karsten | g00se: NM. Which vi are you using? vim, nvi, other? |
| 22:25.11 | karsten | g00se: aptitude install vim; aptitude purge nvi |
| 22:25.23 | g00se | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2006-10-06 19:09 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 22:25.33 | karsten | g00se: You want to look at /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 22:25.53 | karsten | g00se: or: dpkg --get-selections | grep '^tvi' |
| 22:25.55 | g00se | karsten: searched packages for syntax files - nothing |
| 22:26.00 | karsten | g00se: ... where '^t' == tab. |
| 22:26.12 | karsten | g00se: Ignore the syntax comment. |
| 22:26.13 | jelly-home | why not just start "vim" instead of vi |
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| 22:26.22 | Kage` | Okay, can someone explain to me why pam is doing this?: |
| 22:26.23 | karsten | jelly-home: Trying to sort if he's got it, but yeah, point. |
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| 22:26.34 | Kage` | source, my wheel user, WILL NOT login to root unless i have him added in /etc/group |
| 22:26.42 | botch | karsten: nope - everything seems ok. |
| 22:26.46 | Kage` | Ie. wheel:70:70..:source |
| 22:26.55 | g00se | #which vim returns nada |
| 22:26.59 | botch | no error/warning in dmesg or kern.log |
| 22:27.00 | Kage` | Why do I have to do this when source is already in the wheel group |
| 22:27.07 | ion-bolt | is there anything liek his that works w deb http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/productlist.php?CatID=19&FamID=33&ProdID=236 ? |
| 22:27.58 | lunitik | !test |
| 22:27.59 | dpkg | No, lunitik, you're not online any more. |
| 22:28.28 | botch | karsten: ok - that seems weird. i can't create anything in /usr/sbin |
| 22:28.33 | sarefo_ | where can i best read about getting a wlan card to work in etch? or is there some (semi-)automatic tool to activate it? |
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| 22:28.49 | botch | but i'm root an have rwx on the directory |
| 22:29.00 | karsten | botch: Have you checked your permissions in /proc/mounts? |
| 22:29.09 | karsten | botch: s/permissions/mount options/ ? |
| 22:29.19 | karsten | botch: Paste them. /msg dpkg paster |
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| 22:29.30 | tuv | sarefo, find out what chip is your adapter using. find out what driver it needs. find out whether it's included in the kernel or not |
| 22:31.00 | sarefo_ | tuv: that's why i thought maybe there's a program that automatically detects wlan cards? otherwise i'd have to open my machine, and let's say that would be a bit complicated atm. |
| 22:31.18 | sysop | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.35 | tuv | sarefo, you don't need to open your machine at all |
| 22:31.41 | tuv | sarefo, what sysop said |
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| 22:32.20 | sarefo_ | ah thx i did not realize he was talking to me |
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| 22:32.57 | sysop | sarefo I am lazy. I just figure you would realize I was talking to you. |
| 22:33.22 | botch | karsten: http://paste.plone.org/10988 |
| 22:33.31 | sarefo_ | sysop: np :) i'm just quite tired |
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| 22:33.51 | karsten | botch: 'ls -ld /usr/bin' |
| 22:34.00 | g00se | Sorry folks - think i got a bit confused with all those symlinks and aliases ;-) |
| 22:34.13 | karsten | botch: ... and 'lsatter /usr/bin' |
| 22:34.35 | sarefo_ | so, how do i find out if the driver for a 'RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)' is included in the kernel? |
| 22:34.38 | karsten | botch: erm, lsattr -d /usr/bin |
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| 22:35.14 | botch | karsten: suS-iadAc-------- /usr/sbin |
| 22:35.15 | amphi | sarefo_: the module is rt2500, I forget at what kernel version it came into the kernel |
| 22:35.35 | amphi | sarefo_: it's easy enough to build outside the tree |
| 22:35.41 | tuv | sarefo, i think you can build that driver using module-assistant |
| 22:35.44 | botch | karsten: tricky, eh? |
| 22:35.45 | karsten | botch: --------------I-- /usr/sbin |
| 22:36.02 | tuv | !tell sarefo about m-a |
| 22:36.04 | karsten | botch: You've modified that? |
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| 22:36.30 | botch | karsten: no |
| 22:36.41 | botch | afaik |
| 22:36.57 | tuv | amphi, is rt2500 in the kernel already? |
| 22:37.04 | karsten | botch: OK, looks odd to me. Again: any filesystem errors noted in logs / dmesg? |
| 22:37.12 | bariel | "Error opening terminal: unknown." what is happening? |
| 22:37.31 | karsten | botch: You've clearly got issues not explained by standard filesystem permissions. I deal with attributes a lot less. |
| 22:37.40 | karsten | bariel: No /dev/pts? Bad perms? |
| 22:37.44 | karsten | bariel: What context? |
| 22:37.50 | karsten | !tell bariel about smart questions |
| 22:37.54 | amphi | tuv: ISTR reading that it went in, but I may be wrong |
| 22:38.19 | botch | karsten: you think it could has to do with my mirroring raid system? |
| 22:38.26 | karsten | botch: NFC |
| 22:38.41 | sarefo_ | assuming that rt2500 is in the kernel, what should i do to activate it? |
| 22:38.57 | bariel | karsten, maybe bad perms, hmm, i dont know what i can do.. |
| 22:39.09 | tuv | sarefo, it would have loaded. lsmod | grep rt |
| 22:40.00 | tuv | sarefo, things available via m-a are mostly not included in the kernel. m-a is fairly easy to use |
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| 22:41.37 | sarefo_ | tuv, how about i install rt2500-base via apt-get? |
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| 22:42.30 | sarefo_ | or, rt2500 (rt2500 did not work) |
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| 22:43.53 | amphi | sarefo_: get the source off sf.net and build the module |
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| 22:47.49 | streuner | abrotman: there are 2 #debian-offtopic channels? |
| 22:48.03 | abrotman | one on here .. one oftc |
| 22:48.09 | abrotman | why? |
| 22:48.25 | streuner | just curious |
| 22:49.01 | abrotman | ok |
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| 22:50.21 | sarefo_ | amphi: ok, i have rt2500 installed via m-a and inserted with 'modprobe rt2500'. thx so far :) |
| 22:50.38 | amphi | sarefo_: cool |
| 22:50.54 | amphi | sarefo_: does it now work ? ;) |
| 22:51.29 | sarefo_ | well, i don't know :) how can i try? it's sit0, right? |
| 22:52.06 | amphi | sarefo_: ra0 IIRC |
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| 22:52.23 | amphi | sarefo_: iwconfig with no args should show you |
| 22:52.37 | sarefo_ | hm, so i need to manually insert ra0 into the interfaces file? |
| 22:52.52 | sarefo_ | ah, it seems to be eth0 |
| 22:53.40 | sarefo_ | i mean eth1 |
| 22:54.12 | amphi | sarefo_: newer driver, I guess |
| 22:54.47 | sarefo_ | but sit0 *is* new, wasn't there before. ifconfig names it 'IPv6-in-IPv4'. ? |
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| 23:00.43 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:00.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:00.52 | dvs | *blam* |
| 23:01.09 | tuv | sarefo, install wireless-tools if not installed already |
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| 23:04.29 | sarefo_ | tuv, already installed. |
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| 23:05.03 | tuv | sarefo, so what do you want to do next? |
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| 23:05.24 | sarefo_ | thx guys for getting this to run :) now, should i do something to prevent others to connect to my box? |
| 23:05.31 | sarefo_ | or is it safe as is? |
| 23:05.31 | Travellis | Hey, I went to #debian now. |
| 23:05.43 | beardy | Travellis: You are here.. |
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| 23:06.00 | Travellis | I think you have to be smart to compute with that primitive platform. |
| 23:06.15 | tuv | sarefo, securing your wireless network has to do with your access point (e.g. wireless router) |
| 23:06.21 | Twin_ | How do I install kde 3.5? I know it's a bit unstable.. can't find repositories anywhere :-( |
| 23:06.31 | tuv | sarefo_, it's a good idea to use wpa |
| 23:06.46 | Travellis | So, here is my issue. |
| 23:06.46 | dvs | sarefo: I second that |
| 23:06.52 | abrotman | Twin_: ask #debian-kde |
| 23:06.56 | sarefo_ | what's wpa? |
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| 23:07.01 | dvs | !wpa |
| 23:07.07 | dvs | you suck! |
| 23:07.21 | Travellis | I received a "VIOLATON TICKET". Is anyone familiar with anything involving these? |
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| 23:07.32 | dvs | sarefo_: It's the next level of encryption after WEP |
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| 23:07.37 | cr4 | I'm using sid and, when I run startx, I get: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 23:07.48 | beardy | cr4: You can fix it. |
| 23:07.54 | cr4 | beardy: how so? |
| 23:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 679] by debhelper |
| 23:08.08 | beardy | cr4: You're running sid, you must. |
| 23:08.25 | abrotman | xfonts-base |
| 23:08.25 | Award | What possible reasons are there for the netinst CD image(s) I burned turning up "?? FD (ascii chars) System Type-(00)" when trying to boot it on an old P75 machine? |
| 23:08.31 | Travellis | I was riding the city transit, which utilizes an honor system, and I was fined for having no valid proof of payment. |
| 23:08.33 | cr4 | beardy: I just upgraded and now nothing works :) |
| 23:08.51 | beardy | cr4: What should you not have done then? |
| 23:08.55 | beardy | ;) |
| 23:08.55 | dvs | Travellis: In Cowgary? nope. |
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| 23:09.11 | Award | I thought it may have been the old CD drive that couldn't read CDr's but I popped in a very new DVD+RW drive that broke (doesn't write but still reads) to try it, and the same thing is still happening. |
| 23:09.17 | cr4 | beardy: yeah, hard to go back now... |
| 23:09.26 | Award | Is there some known problem with the current netinst isos? Or some hardware problem with newer netinst discs? |
| 23:09.27 | cr4 | beardy: that's alright, I look forward to learning all kinds of new things |
| 23:09.32 | Halitherses | When I start evolution I get an error that says: cannot create lock on inbox: too many files open. How can I rectify this error? |
| 23:09.35 | beardy | cr4: Install xfonts-base, as abrotman suggested. |
| 23:09.36 | Travellis | however, the fact that I am a full-time university student who has paid his tuition means that the payment has been made. |
| 23:09.38 | cr4 | beardy: hopefully, not at the expense of the helpful people in here |
| 23:09.47 | Travellis | i simply had no proof of it with me. |
| 23:09.57 | abrotman | Travellis: wtf does this have to do with debian ? |
| 23:10.01 | Travellis | The officer told me that I would have a significant reduction in the fine if I showed him the pass I did not at the moment have in my possession. |
| 23:10.04 | beardy | cr4: Ok, sounds like you have a good attitude. |
| 23:10.14 | abrotman | Travellis: STOP |
| 23:10.16 | sarefo_ | dvs: so if i did not actively connect to an access point, nobody can log into my machine via the wireless card? i have *no* idea about wifi btw :( |
| 23:10.20 | Travellis | abrotman, #1 I use Debian. |
| 23:10.30 | abrotman | Travellis: #2 .. still .. noone cares |
| 23:10.35 | Travellis | abrotman, #2, I deserve service for all I have contributed to the Debian Project. |
| 23:10.46 | jerb | lol |
| 23:10.47 | beardy | !demand |
| 23:10.47 | Travellis | abrotman, #3, I appreciat the intelligence if the users in this channel. |
| 23:10.48 | abrotman | prove it |
| 23:11.15 | dvs | sarefo_: It means that any Joe Schmo scanning for networks won't be able to use yours easily |
| 23:11.32 | beardy | Travellis: That is a way to get people _not_ to help you.. |
| 23:11.50 | beardy | Travellis: number 2, that is |
| 23:12.14 | Travellis | What? |
| 23:12.16 | tuv | sarefo, people cannot configure your interface when you are disconnected |
| 23:12.19 | Travellis | AFTER ALL I HAVE CONTRIBUTED??? |
| 23:12.23 | abrotman | /whois smells a troll :) |
| 23:12.30 | beardy | Indeed. |
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| 23:12.34 | blondie | Travellis: go and troll somewhere else |
| 23:12.36 | sarefo_ | sounds fair enough for now. anyways, there's no accesspoint in reach (only some fritz!boxes popping up with signal=0 |
| 23:12.37 | beardy | And already done. |
| 23:12.42 | blondie | (#gentoo) |
| 23:12.49 | tarzeau | Travellis: contributed what? cookies? |
| 23:13.01 | Mike_kayaker_ | MMM I cannot get a boot screen up and running? |
| 23:13.31 | Mike_kayaker_ | bootsplash...even |
| 23:13.46 | blondie | tarzeau: sob stories/spam? |
| 23:13.57 | cr4 | beardy: until I get X going though, googling for help is quite difficult in lynx :( |
| 23:14.10 | tarzeau | cr4: try links2 |
| 23:14.11 | cr4 | beardy: or w3m, with which I am even less familiar |
| 23:14.15 | tarzeau | cr4: it can even do graphics |
| 23:14.23 | cr4 | tarzeau: ascii pr0n? |
| 23:14.32 | sarefo_ | ok, now all i have to find out is why my arcor dsl router has an antenna but cannot be detected by my wlan card... |
| 23:14.38 | tarzeau | cr4: no, svgalib or framebuffer |
| 23:14.41 | beardy | cr4: What tarzeau said, and links in textmode is sometimes much nicer than lynx, also look at w3c. |
| 23:14.50 | tarzeau | cr4: when i say graphics, i mean graphics |
| 23:14.59 | cr4 | tarzeau: heh, cheers, I'll try it |
| 23:15.05 | wols | sarefo_: diffreent wireless channel? |
| 23:15.47 | beardy | cr4: Installing that fonts package didn't help? |
| 23:15.59 | sarefo_ | wols: hmmm. there are channels in wlan? ... |
| 23:16.10 | abrotman | !xorg69to7 |
| 23:16.10 | dpkg | somebody said xorg69to7 was http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 23:16.19 | tuv | sarefo_, if 'iwlist <interface> scan' doesn't listed, it's not working.. |
| 23:16.22 | wols | sarefo_: depending on country, about 12 |
| 23:16.29 | tuv | list it* |
| 23:16.34 | beardy | cr4: what dpkg said was probably for you ^^^¨ |
| 23:16.43 | abrotman | it's the last item on the page |
| 23:17.29 | cr4 | beardy: it helped address that font problem, now I'm getting a FreeFontPath error about some refcount. I'm installing x-window-system-core which seems to be needed as well. I don't know where everything went :( |
| 23:17.45 | sarefo_ | tuv, hm, it's got something with quality 0/100. that sounds not *too* good ;) |
| 23:17.59 | beardy | cr4: If you install x-window-system, you should get what you need. |
| 23:18.00 | beardy | !install x |
| 23:18.01 | dpkg | [install xf4] apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 23:18.10 | beardy | !install xorg |
| 23:18.18 | beardy | !xorg |
| 23:18.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 23:18.23 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that will need seriously updated :) |
| 23:18.26 | beardy | bah.. |
| 23:18.29 | abrotman | and 4.4RC2 is wrong |
| 23:18.32 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 23:18.41 | beardy | cr4: /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 23:18.42 | cr4 | beardy: cheers! |
| 23:18.53 | tuv | sarefo_, can you connect to it? |
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| 23:20.31 | sarefo_ | tuv, no. there *are* boxes poppung up with iwlist eth1 scan, but they seem to be far away. |
| 23:21.40 | sarefo_ | are there some 'recommended' wlan channels? |
| 23:21.54 | abrotman | #wireless |
| 23:22.07 | sarefo_ | abrotman: good point, thx. |
| 23:23.43 | prolific | How can I specify the user who owns a mounted nfs share? |
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| 23:24.37 | abrotman | man mount |
| 23:24.53 | blondie | kinky |
| 23:24.58 | prolific | abrotman, I can't find it there. There is no uid/gid option for nfs |
| 23:25.45 | blondie | no there isnt |
| 23:25.54 | blondie | because its irrelevent |
| 23:26.13 | abrotman | prolific: oh .. no not for nfs .. uhm .. why do you want to change the owner ? |
| 23:26.21 | blondie | try changing the mount point owner? :S |
| 23:26.26 | prolific | abrotman, Because I don't want it to be the www-data default owner |
| 23:27.58 | abrotman | isn't there a way to map UIDs with nfs ? |
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| 23:28.04 | prolific | No |
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| 23:28.13 | blondie | yes there is |
| 23:28.21 | blondie | you make them the same on each machine |
| 23:28.28 | blondie | that's the idea. |
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| 23:28.34 | prolific | Ha |
| 23:28.35 | dvs | blondie: I think he means automatically |
| 23:28.45 | blondie | uids are numerical |
| 23:28.47 | abrotman | no .. i thouhgt you could map UID xxxx to a different one on another box |
| 23:28.54 | blondie | oh, don't know. |
| 23:29.04 | abrotman | we're no help .. we're failures! |
| 23:29.12 | prolific | abrotman, You do that per mount point |
| 23:29.51 | prolific | The owner is root but when mounted the uid/gid turns into www-data |
| 23:30.46 | prolific | I don't specify www-data anywhere. Neither does the mount man-page say that it's the default. I've never seen this before |
| 23:30.51 | abrotman | got a lot of hits on google from MS and sun :) |
| 23:32.10 | abrotman | -anon=uid map unknown uidÕs to this user |
| 23:32.23 | abrotman | could that be used ? |
| 23:32.32 | blondie | prolific: what is the owner of the shared directory on the server? is their uid the same as the uid of www-data on the client? |
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| 23:33.54 | prolific | blondie, My fbsd server doesn't even have a www-data group. The owner is a normal user |
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| 23:34.18 | prolific | The uid of the mount is different than the one with which I mount it, however that shouldn't matter since I export the mount point rw |
| 23:34.34 | kronic | hey, what would be characteristic of an intermittent unresponsive system? hardware issue? |
| 23:34.52 | abrotman | prolific: or the suid flag ? |
| 23:34.59 | prolific | kronic, Possibly. Also, it may just be very busy |
| 23:35.06 | prolific | abrotman, Eh? |
| 23:35.18 | kronic | its not engaged in a hard task |
| 23:35.23 | w0rd54 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.27 | w0rd54 | using bzip2 -v $fname >> $logfile |
| 23:35.32 | abrotman | prolific: i think i read the option wrong |
| 23:35.32 | w0rd54 | <w0rd54> b |
| 23:35.33 | w0rd54 | shit |
| 23:35.38 | prolific | kronic, Maybe just one that is using 100% cpu |
| 23:35.39 | w0rd54 | but it's still dumping to console....any suggestions? |
| 23:35.51 | kronic | looked at the various logs with no such info, its specific info spewed to the console instead of the log? |
| 23:35.56 | kronic | *is |
| 23:36.38 | Rusty1 | kronic: htop |
| 23:36.38 | kronic | load average is 0.0 * 3 |
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| 23:36.45 | blondie | prolific: nfs uses uids, not usernames. |
| 23:36.59 | blondie | prolific: the server doesnt need to have a www-data user for them to match |
| 23:37.13 | hq4ever_2 | could some one tip me on how to use netcat (or whatever) to check DNS (udp53) connectivity ? |
| 23:37.20 | kronic | yeah, its babying |
| 23:37.30 | blondie | prolific: find out what the uid of the shared directory's owner is (on the server) and see what the uid of www-data is on the client |
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| 23:37.53 | abrotman | prolific: eh .. you'd think this would be a common thing |
| 23:37.54 | prolific | blondie, Yeah, I understand. What I mean is that there is no gid that corresponds with my www-data on my fbsd |
| 23:38.07 | prolific | blondie, They don't correspond |
| 23:38.25 | blondie | gid? i thought you were talking about uids |
| 23:38.34 | Travellis | Any lawyers here? |
| 23:38.51 | prolific | blondie, uid and gid are the same |
| 23:39.18 | blondie | er |
| 23:39.54 | prolific | I gotta take a break :/ |
| 23:40.01 | prolific | Thanks for the help |
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| 23:42.29 | abrotman | prolific: ugidd |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | It is possible in Linux' NFS implementation to run a ugidd (a UID/GID mapping daemon). Thus you could create maps for every NFS server to map each clients UIDs to this server's UID's, etc. Yes, that idea is as ugly as it sounds! |
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| 23:43.28 | abrotman | prolific: do i get a cookie ? |
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| 23:44.21 | Machardi | Hello... |
| 23:45.57 | blondie | who is that? |
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| 23:46.01 | prolific | abrotman, Ah nice. Thanks |
| 23:46.15 | prolific | Although I don't think I would ever want to put myself through that |
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| 23:46.39 | prolific | I appreciate it though |
| 23:47.10 | Travellis | Any lawyers here? |
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| 23:47.36 | Travellis | What happened to lilo? |
| 23:48.03 | LoRez | Travellis: he was hit by a vehicle while riding his bike. |
| 23:48.07 | beardy | Travellis: /topic |
| 23:48.15 | w0rd54 | jesus |
| 23:48.19 | denmaeth | Lilo is now known as Lil |
| 23:48.19 | w0rd54 | he was the dev for lilo? |
| 23:48.22 | zinx | LoRez: wrong lilo, i think |
| 23:48.27 | LoRez | w0rd54: um, no. |
| 23:48.28 | w0rd54 | ahhh....k |
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| 23:48.30 | w0rd54 | my bad. |
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| 23:48.45 | abrotman | LoRez: he's been trolling .. |
| 23:48.57 | LoRez | then ban him :) |
| 23:48.59 | w0rd54 | abrotman: me? |
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| 23:49.32 | abrotman | LoRez: i would if i could :) |
| 23:49.34 | abrotman | w0rd54: notr you |
| 23:49.42 | w0rd54 | prolific: thx for cmd man, I got part of echoing working |
| 23:49.49 | w0rd54 | prolific: w00t |
| 23:49.57 | w0rd54 | abrotman: tru, just didn't know heh |
| 23:50.04 | prolific | w0rd54, Muy bien |
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| 23:55.15 | devexial | Hey everyone, I'm trying to figure out why a particular script I have won't run, it is located in /etc/cron.daily, it is chmod +rx so it should be executable, the file is owned by root as a group and as a user, and the script runs fine if i kick it off by hand...but it never runs daily like I expect it to. What could be the deal here? |
| 23:55.27 | abrotman | prolific: that won't work for you? |
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| 23:56.12 | abrotman | devexial: line in crontab? |
| 23:56.50 | beardy | devexial: Put it in /root/cronscripts or what you like. Then add it to root's crontab instead. 'man 1 crontab', 'man 5 crontab'. |
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| 23:57.07 | devexial | abrotman: beardy: thanks i'll check into that |
| 23:57.09 | abrotman | devexial: what does the line in the crontab actually say ? |
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| 23:57.41 | abrotman | devexial: ? |
| 23:57.49 | devexial | 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 23:57.54 | Elive_user | hi, can anyone help me I am trying to run multiple ssh daemons on one computer each using different configuration files.. running 2 sshd commands with -f $configuration ... doesnt work.. help anyone? |
| 23:57.56 | marco_ | I have a package that I want to update to the version in experimental, but I dont' want to update everything to experimental. How would I modify sources.list to do this? |
| 23:58.02 | abrotman | devexial: no . i meant the one with your script |
| 23:58.20 | abrotman | !tell marco_ about pinning |
| 23:58.44 | devexial | abrotman: I was under the impression that all sripts in /etc/cron.daily get executed by the line I just pasted |
| 23:58.49 | abrotman | Elive_user: ask #elive |
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| 23:59.21 | abrotman | devexial: that's usually the case .. i'm asking because if your script is named something like /usr/local/bin/blah.sh .. run-parts won't run files with a . |
| 23:59.49 | haploid_ | Can anyone think of a reason why "cat /dev/hiddev0" would return data from a device on fedora, but not debian? This is on identical hardware with identical lshal output and identical /var/log/messages on the relevant device |
