| 00:00.06 | devexial | abrotman: OH. no kidding? Yes, my script is is named "dailybackup.sh". |
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| 00:00.30 | devexial | abrotman: I'll go and rename it without a "." in the filename and check back in a day or two I guess |
| 00:00.30 | abrotman | devexial: yeah .. no workie .. it's buried deep in the man page |
| 00:00.36 | beardy | Hmm, I didn't know that. I still think it's better to have your own things in root's crontab though. |
| 00:00.48 | Elive_user | hi, can anyone help me I am trying to run multiple ssh daemons on one computer each using different configuration files.. running 2 sshd commands with -f $configuration ... doesnt work.. help anyone? |
| 00:01.06 | devexial | abrotman: thanks for the tip |
| 00:01.11 | abrotman | Elive_user: ask #elive |
| 00:01.22 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.23 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.23 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:02.28 | Elive_user | lol elive is debian just the same |
| 00:02.35 | beardy | No, just go. |
| 00:02.42 | anabain | hi, an interesting question: following instructions from the readme, I've unpacked a zip file with ark containing stuff organized in dirs which correspond to a local dirs structure, but it seems as if these files were invisible when, for example, entering $ locate foo.bar |
| 00:02.53 | anabain | Any ideas? |
| 00:02.57 | Guerin | Elive_user: /nick Ejit |
| 00:02.59 | Azar | helly honorables, why we do not get any debian news on weekly.. last one was on Sept26? |
| 00:03.10 | abrotman | Elive_user: no .. it is not |
| 00:03.25 | greeg | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 if failing to make changes to the config file. why is that ? |
| 00:03.28 | abrotman | anabain: updatedb |
| 00:03.34 | abrotman | !tell greeg about xmd5 |
| 00:03.35 | Elive_user | abrotman, yes it is it runs on debian as its base just with enlightment as gui |
| 00:03.38 | wols | !tell greeg about xmd5 |
| 00:03.40 | wols | grah |
| 00:03.43 | greeg | ahh |
| 00:03.45 | greeg | thanx guys |
| 00:03.50 | abrotman | Elive_user: guess what .. debian doesn't have e17 .. it's not the same |
| 00:03.52 | wols | !tell Elive_user about based on debian |
| 00:03.55 | abrotman | on top of all the other changes they've made |
| 00:03.58 | Guerin | !nondeb elive |
| 00:03.58 | dpkg | Go to channel #elive for help with elive. If elive were Debian, it would be called Debian and not elive. |
| 00:04.09 | beardy | /ignore is better.. |
| 00:04.10 | Elive_user | abrotman, besides I am setting it up on another machine not elive machine... a server that runs debian. |
| 00:04.17 | abrotman | good for you |
| 00:04.18 | Azar | is it true that a base install of etch will not have the libesd-alsa, so manual install and alsaconf have to be done? |
| 00:04.22 | wols | Elive_user: nice try |
| 00:04.22 | stew | Elive_user: what is wrong with using -f? |
| 00:04.27 | beardy | But could be interesting to see how it acts.. |
| 00:04.31 | marco_ | is there any reason why the mirrors are crawling? |
| 00:04.37 | Guerin | Elive_user: e17 isn't in debian. End of discussion. |
| 00:04.42 | Elive_user | -f doesn't do it |
| 00:04.43 | marco_ | I'm getting 50 KB/s when I typically get 150 |
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| 00:04.47 | stew | Elive_user: why not? |
| 00:04.52 | Guerin | marco_: 50k/s is hardly crawling |
| 00:05.05 | marco_ | Guerin, well, compared to my normal speed |
| 00:05.06 | marco_ | ;) |
| 00:05.29 | Guerin | marco_: try another mirror. If it happens to multiple mirrors in different locations, the problem is with your ISP. |
| 00:05.49 | beardy | marco_: Or have a cup of <drink>. |
| 00:06.31 | Elive_user | running "/usr/sbin/sshd -f /etc/ssh/new_config" doesnt open any ports specified in the config and doesn't even fork a new process |
| 00:06.50 | stew | Elive_user: add a -d |
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| 00:08.15 | Elive_user | stew, thanks |
| 00:08.20 | beardy | The tactical one would use another nick. |
| 00:08.23 | Elive_user | it worked like a charm... |
| 00:08.36 | Elive_user | abrotman, lol so that I can limit the user per port :) |
| 00:08.36 | beardy | And not say that it is Debian. |
| 00:08.45 | Elive_user | abrotman, lol so that I can limit the user per port, and per interface on my router :) |
| 00:08.52 | abrotman | haha! .. it's STILL NOT debian |
| 00:08.56 | stew | Elive_user: that shouldn't have behaved differently other than spitting out debug information about why it was failing |
| 00:09.35 | Elive_user | abrotman, yes it is it has apt-get, and all the other crap that you eventually force upon your virgin debian distro :) |
| 00:09.47 | abrotman | it's not debian you tard |
| 00:09.54 | beardy | Trolling helps? |
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| 00:10.00 | abrotman | they've changed multiple packages |
| 00:10.10 | w0rd54 | abrotman: !gay |
| 00:10.13 | Elive_user | stew, so it was failing cause it spitted out so much |
| 00:10.15 | w0rd54 | please don't use the word tard |
| 00:10.18 | w0rd54 | it's offensive to some people |
| 00:10.25 | abrotman | !tell w0rd54 about gay ? |
| 00:10.37 | beardy | w0rd54: Please don't use the word gay, it is offensive to some people. |
| 00:10.39 | w0rd54 | !tell abrotman about w0rd54 sleeping with his $mother |
| 00:10.50 | beardy | w0rd54: One more. |
| 00:11.18 | abrotman | w0rd54: do you have anything useful to say ? |
| 00:11.33 | w0rd54 | abrotman: yes, I do. scroll up, prolific helped |
| 00:11.43 | abrotman | helped you talk? |
| 00:11.43 | greeg | ? |
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| 00:11.50 | w0rd54 | abrotman: clever |
| 00:12.22 | Elive_user | abrotman, like what ? |
| 00:12.30 | sarefo_ | how can i check which packages are recommended for an already installed package? (they appear with 'apt-get install <package>' if the package is not yet installed) |
| 00:12.33 | Elive_user | abrotman, what packages have they changed ? |
| 00:12.41 | abrotman | Elive_user: i'll tell you in a few minutes |
| 00:12.43 | Travellis | I have noticed that people their cars will often times use their vehicle as an intimidating bulldozer, forcing pedestrians and cyclists to react to them and not the other way around. |
| 00:12.54 | Elive_user | abrotman, you don't know what you are talking about. |
| 00:12.55 | wols | sarefo_: the "suggests" line in apt-cache show |
| 00:12.55 | Guerin | Elive_user: fucking hell, are you still on about this? |
| 00:12.55 | Travellis | Rather, that people with their cars... |
| 00:12.59 | tuv | sarefo_, apt-cache show <package> |
| 00:12.59 | w0rd54 | riding a bike in some places can be dangerous |
| 00:13.03 | abrotman | Travellis: please stop .. or the bazillionth time |
| 00:13.10 | abrotman | Elive_user: yes .. i do .. i have to wait for the stupid thing to boot |
| 00:13.13 | Guerin | Elive_user: elive is not debian. If it was debian, it would have been released by the debian developers. |
| 00:13.15 | beardy | sarefo_: One way is to use aptitude, 'aptitude', then search for the package name, then hit Enter, scroll down and look at the Recommends. |
| 00:13.20 | sarefo_ | cool thx tuv |
| 00:13.21 | stew | Travellis: w0rd54: please keep it on topic |
| 00:13.27 | Guerin | Elive_user: aside from anything else, debian DOES NOT make a livecd |
| 00:13.30 | sarefo_ | and all others :) |
| 00:13.34 | w0rd54 | stew: let me get this straight...you can call someone tard, but can't call them gay? |
| 00:13.35 | abrotman | Elive_user: if stupid elive didn't take 20 minutes to boot .. i'd have already shown you |
| 00:13.38 | Elive_user | Guerin, true, but it is based on debian.. that is my point I never said it = |
| 00:13.43 | w0rd54 | stew: please refer to abrotmans reference to tard |
| 00:13.47 | Guerin | Elive_user: BASED ON debian means not a fucking thing. |
| 00:13.49 | Elive_user | Guerin, well 2 bad for debian :) |
| 00:13.54 | stew | abrotman: plesae don't resort to name calling... |
| 00:13.56 | tuv | sarefo_, apt-cache depends <package> |
| 00:14.01 | abrotman | w0rd54: happy? :) |
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| 00:14.04 | Guerin | Elive_user: a mazda is based on ford spec and parts, does that make it a ford? |
| 00:14.12 | w0rd54 | abrotman: :) |
| 00:14.15 | beardy | Oh NO, a car reference.. |
| 00:14.16 | stew | w0rd54: please don't do either |
| 00:14.16 | Elive_user | Guerin, yes it does.. it's base is debian but it has other packages installed that advance it's functionality |
| 00:14.18 | abrotman | Guerin: still crap .. jsut a different body :) |
| 00:14.27 | Guerin | Elive_user: no, it's not. |
| 00:14.28 | Elive_user | Guerin, partly yes it does make it a ford. |
| 00:14.32 | w0rd54 | stew: not a prob |
| 00:14.34 | Guerin | Elive_user: no, it doesnm't. |
| 00:14.42 | abrotman | holy jeez .. elive is horrible |
| 00:14.46 | Elive_user | Guerin, you just keep telling that to yourself buddy. |
| 00:14.55 | Guerin | Elive_user: ask any ford specialist mechanic and he'll list thousands of differences |
| 00:15.13 | Guerin | Elive_user: i'm not telling myselkf ... I'm telling YOU. |
| 00:15.16 | wols | Elive_user:do you think mandrake people should ask RH ones for help in RH channels? |
| 00:15.19 | w0rd54 | Guerin: Elive_user: apt-get install ford |
| 00:15.22 | beardy | Elive_user: Just give up, you are wrong. |
| 00:15.31 | Guerin | w0rd54: prefer mitsubishi myself |
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| 00:16.17 | w0rd54 | Guerin: mitsu-outsource-whatsi? |
| 00:16.18 | Elive_user | guys go back to your topics.. no more arguing. |
| 00:16.19 | wols | or is a porsche from the 50s just a VW beetle? if yes: why is the beetle worth nothing and the Porsche big bucks? |
| 00:16.47 | stew | cars are off-topic. so are bikes and elive. |
| 00:16.51 | Guerin | w0rd54: mitsubishi as in 'zero' |
| 00:16.58 | Elive_user | wols, cause a beetle is a bug and Porche is a brand. |
| 00:17.03 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:17.14 | Guerin | he thinks the differences between vw and porsce are branding |
| 00:17.14 | abrotman | mass troll .. |
| 00:17.18 | w0rd54 | Guerin: apt-get install offtopic-irc-filter |
| 00:17.19 | wols | stew: then I wonder why you support off topic things |
| 00:17.28 | w0rd54 | wols: oh snap! |
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| 00:17.47 | Elive_user | stew, you ride bikes or porches ? |
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| 00:17.54 | w0rd54 | wols: I'd not mess with him ;\ good chance to get banned I'd estimate |
| 00:18.33 | beardy | Haha |
| 00:18.42 | beardy | (at w0rd54) |
| 00:18.50 | w0rd54 | nice host beardy :P |
| 00:18.52 | stew | w0rd54: huh? |
| 00:18.54 | stew | err |
| 00:18.57 | stew | wols: huh? |
| 00:19.20 | beardy | w0rd54: huh? |
| 00:19.35 | stew | Elive_user: stop |
| 00:19.44 | w0rd54 | beardy: you irc staff? |
| 00:19.48 | abrotman | OH .. Shiny!! |
| 00:19.53 | w0rd54 | or just register to get ident/host changed? |
| 00:20.06 | stew | w0rd54: /stats p |
| 00:20.07 | beardy | w0rd54: The one you fear most. |
| 00:20.08 | Elive_user | stew, fine.. you guys are so bored.. you will talk about anything and everything just like girls do. |
| 00:20.13 | w0rd54 | beardy: lol |
| 00:20.20 | w0rd54 | beardy: you really think I fear a ban? |
| 00:20.21 | w0rd54 | :P |
| 00:20.24 | Guerin | Elive_user: that's because we ARE girls |
| 00:20.27 | w0rd54 | and/or kline |
| 00:20.27 | stew | Elive_user: do you have any other debian related questions? |
| 00:20.29 | abrotman | then please freaking ban him |
| 00:20.37 | asg | Guerin: wanna see my hello kitty collection? |
| 00:20.38 | abrotman | his question wasn't debian related to start with! |
| 00:20.39 | w0rd54 | it'd be useless overall |
| 00:20.40 | Guerin | Elive_user: the like of which you'll never see |
| 00:20.54 | Elive_user | stew, yes. debug mode shows me address problems in my sshd_config |
| 00:20.55 | Guerin | asg: i'll trade you a run 'em gun 'em barbie! |
| 00:21.04 | asg | Guerin: primo |
| 00:21.19 | beardy | w0rd54: /msg nickserv help register |
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| 00:21.24 | stew | Elive_user: i dont' understand the question |
| 00:21.28 | wols | bah barbies! *I* have a pony! |
| 00:21.34 | w0rd54 | beardy: indeed...k |
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| 00:21.42 | w0rd54 | beardy: thought you had some sort of "status" |
| 00:21.49 | w0rd54 | beardy: maybe you do lol :P |
| 00:21.56 | greeg | xD |
| 00:22.00 | Guerin | wols: you win. Can we come to your house for a pyjama party? |
| 00:22.02 | Elive_user | stew, debug mode spits out addressing problems.. like the address that I am listening in on is wrong or something ... or maybe it would be taken up by the other ssh daemon |
| 00:22.07 | greeg | w0rd54 is silly |
| 00:22.07 | asg | wols: my little pwny? |
| 00:22.20 | wols | Guerin: dunno if my mommy allows it |
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| 00:23.19 | sid | Why does MS Word load so fast, and OO.o Writer loads so slow? |
| 00:23.28 | abrotman | one word .. java |
| 00:23.39 | w0rd54 | lol indeed |
| 00:23.43 | w0rd54 | java is slow as shit |
| 00:23.43 | Guerin | sid: because ms word delays your boot by 30 seconds to preload |
| 00:23.45 | beardy | Probably partly true. |
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| 00:23.56 | beardy | And what Guerin said too. |
| 00:24.01 | w0rd54 | I dunno....I've never seen a "fast" java app |
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| 00:24.10 | sid | Guerin: So some portion of MS Word is already pre-loaded into RAM? |
| 00:24.12 | w0rd54 | azureus....standard web apps/games....OO |
| 00:24.19 | Guerin | sid: virtually all of it, yeah |
| 00:24.24 | beardy | sid: win32 OO.org also preloads. |
| 00:24.25 | sid | ahh, I see |
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| 00:24.38 | Guerin | sid: preload is available for oo.o |
| 00:24.41 | beardy | sid: some parts, if you don't disable it, that is. |
| 00:24.42 | abrotman | oh damn it .. i was just about to prove it wasn't debian! |
| 00:24.48 | Guerin | but it's not on by default since that's not the Unix Way |
| 00:25.08 | beardy | Unless you go back to sticky bits? |
| 00:25.10 | asg | Guerin: OO.o is about as UNIXy as MS Bob anyway |
| 00:25.15 | w0rd54 | yeah I need to enable some preload on my workstations....setting up a nice diskless pxe boot for some p3's |
| 00:25.20 | w0rd54 | no reason to spend $$$ on vista next year ;) |
| 00:25.43 | Azar | me thinks etch will kickass |
| 00:26.17 | sid | Every version of Debian is better then the last version. |
| 00:26.32 | w0rd54 | can we all agree that gentoo blows donkey ass? |
| 00:26.36 | sid | yep |
| 00:26.54 | Azar | only that this time etch will bang all other os'es around |
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| 00:27.39 | beardy | !spank w0rd54's donkey ass |
| 00:27.51 | w0rd54 | lol |
| 00:28.48 | yos | sendmail problem |
| 00:28.49 | yos | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 00:28.49 | yos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.49 | yos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.49 | yos | E: Broken packages |
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| 00:28.57 | beardy | !tell yos -about flood |
| 00:29.02 | beardy | !tell yos -about pastebin |
| 00:29.02 | yos | i know |
| 00:29.04 | yos | 2 lines |
| 00:29.10 | asg | yos: 2 lines too many |
| 00:29.14 | asg | yos: what version of debian? |
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| 00:29.29 | yos | Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
| 00:29.29 | stew | yos: did you try to install testint packages onto stable? |
| 00:29.31 | yos | 3.1 |
| 00:29.41 | asg | yos: no, 3.1 isn't testing/unstable |
| 00:29.44 | helo | why can't dpkg find 'motd'? |
| 00:29.47 | stew | yos: which? testing or 3.1? |
| 00:29.55 | wols | yos: why are you using sendmail? any special reason? |
| 00:29.56 | asg | helo: how are you asking dpkg? |
| 00:29.58 | stew | helo: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:30.03 | yos | Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
| 00:30.08 | helo | "/msg dpkg find motd" |
| 00:30.10 | yos | to install sendmail |
| 00:30.14 | wols | yos: only sarge is 3.1 |
| 00:30.19 | helo | i'm trying to find what package motd is from |
| 00:30.21 | wols | and why are you trying to install it? |
| 00:30.23 | yos | yes i have Sarage |
| 00:30.30 | yos | sarge :) |
| 00:30.31 | stew | yos: put the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 sendmail sendmail-bin" into a pastebin? |
| 00:30.39 | beardy | helo: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 00:30.40 | asg | helo: dpkg -S motd |
| 00:30.40 | yos | ok w8 |
| 00:30.42 | wols | yos: no you don't. you have unstable most likely. that is not sarge |
| 00:30.42 | abrotman | helo: broken bot |
| 00:30.44 | beardy | or that |
| 00:30.49 | helo | oh |
| 00:30.50 | helo | thanks |
| 00:31.28 | helo | somehow my /etc/motd file is garbled |
| 00:31.36 | stew | yos: /msg dpkg pastebin, please don't paste in the channel |
| 00:32.01 | asg | helo: look in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh (where motd is configured at boot by default) |
| 00:32.16 | abrotman | asg: is this what it was like last weekend ? |
| 00:32.18 | yos | stew http://pastebin.ca/195689 |
| 00:32.27 | yos | i never paste |
| 00:32.32 | w0rd54 | wtf is this heirloomx b.s. in place of nail |
| 00:32.32 | abrotman | really? |
| 00:32.40 | asg | abrotman: no, this isn't too bad |
| 00:32.41 | w0rd54 | what happened to easy smtp auth outgoing ;{ |
| 00:32.43 | beardy | yos: You flooded, wheither you wanted or not. |
| 00:32.54 | w0rd54 | beardy: the sky is blue |
| 00:33.03 | beardy | w0rd54: Sometimes yes. |
| 00:33.05 | w0rd54 | beardy: we should all type things that are "PAINFULLY" apparent |
| 00:33.06 | w0rd54 | ;P |
| 00:33.19 | yos | yeah a mistake beardy ...i know we are not Allowed to flood |
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| 00:33.41 | beardy | w0rd54: How can you make such a statement? What timezone, what timeof day, what season, which weather? |
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| 00:34.40 | yos | sendmail-bin: |
| 00:34.48 | yos | sendmail-bin: is what i need a ? |
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| 00:35.17 | beardy | yos: I understand it was a mistake, it was a reply to "I never paste". |
| 00:36.12 | beardy | (but it should have been "you pasted, and flooded" and so on) |
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| 00:36.53 | wols | yos: take the easy way out and save your sanity: use exim4 or postfix. Rarely a need to use sendmail |
| 00:37.24 | yos | i dont laike exim4 i geat remove`it :) |
| 00:37.31 | wols | then use postfix |
| 00:37.38 | wols | no one sane likes sendmail either |
| 00:37.50 | yos | i like sendmail :) |
| 00:37.53 | wols | and people have very good reasons not to. I don't like the exim4 config either |
| 00:37.54 | abrotman | freak! |
| 00:37.59 | wols | then you are crazy |
| 00:38.16 | yos | sendmail no good ? |
| 00:38.21 | yos | 99% use sendmail |
| 00:38.21 | d0uglas | postfix baby |
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| 00:38.28 | abrotman | yos: no .. they don't |
| 00:38.29 | wols | !sendmail |
| 00:38.29 | dpkg | it has been said that sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. |
| 00:38.40 | wols | yos: almost no one uses senmdial |
| 00:38.40 | abrotman | yos: that was true a long time ago |
| 00:38.43 | wols | *sendmail |
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| 00:38.51 | abrotman | mostly just commerical unixes now |
| 00:38.59 | yos | so postfix is beter and Secure ? |
| 00:39.00 | wols | and it's legacy with them |
| 00:39.02 | efaistos_ | does someone use dotclear ? a blog system ? |
| 00:39.21 | yos | i configure my old forum with sendmail |
| 00:39.22 | asg | yos: it was designed to be and is in most cases where the local admin doesn't bugger things up with misconfiguration. |
| 00:39.56 | yos | aha thakns for the explication`s all. |
| 00:41.06 | asg | yos: as much as I like the elegance of postfix, I'm too much of a whore to 'exim4 -bh' to switch in most cases. |
| 00:41.09 | yos | so i use apt-get remove exim4 , can i use apt-get install exim4 ? |
| 00:42.16 | wols | yos: simply install the new MTA you want. can't really uninstall the MTA. debian wants to always have one |
| 00:42.22 | wols | old one gets deinstalled automatically |
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| 00:49.04 | erichapkido | Hi, I'm having trouble with vmware-player loading. When i try to start it, it just quits. No error code. When I look at the log for it I get this, http://pastebin.ca/195712 |
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| 00:49.38 | w0rd54 | libhal and libdbus hrm |
| 00:49.45 | w0rd54 | did you do a search on em to see if they exist? |
| 00:49.58 | erichapkido | how do you do that? |
| 00:50.46 | w0rd54 | erichapkido: find / -name libhal.so.0 |
| 00:50.57 | abrotman | apt-cache search ? |
| 00:51.15 | w0rd54 | abrotman: you read the pastebin? |
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| 00:51.23 | w0rd54 | looks like his libs aren't on his box |
| 00:51.34 | erichapkido | the thing is, it worked not to long ago |
| 00:51.38 | abrotman | so he should use apt-cache search hal to find them |
| 00:51.39 | erichapkido | it was after i had updated |
| 00:51.45 | abrotman | and then install them |
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| 00:51.54 | w0rd54 | erichapkido: try abrotmans suggestion |
| 00:51.58 | moxxxa | hi...anybody can help me bout coyote |
| 00:52.09 | abrotman | for that matter |
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| 00:52.22 | abrotman | apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search libhal.so.0 |
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| 00:52.27 | yos | i see " firebird:x:105:105:Firebird Database Administator,,,:/var/lib/firebird2:/bin/bash |
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| 00:52.36 | erichapkido | it says I have hal installed |
| 00:52.40 | yos | is maked the sistem automatic ? |
| 00:52.49 | w0rd54 | erichapkido: ok....try looking for the explicit file then |
| 00:52.53 | asg | yos: ? |
| 00:52.56 | erichapkido | currently doing that |
| 00:52.59 | w0rd54 | erichapkido: if you don't find the file then it's a) gone b) been deleted ;P |
| 00:53.06 | abrotman | erichapkido: updatedb && locate libhal .. see anything ? |
| 00:53.15 | yos | wich pkg make this user firebird:x:105:105:Firebird Database Administator, |
| 00:53.19 | abrotman | it's possible it became libhal.so.0.1 or something silly |
| 00:53.23 | yos | ? exim3 or ..sund as mysql |
| 00:53.28 | abrotman | yos: what do you think made it ? |
| 00:53.35 | asg | yos: apt-cache search firebird |
| 00:53.46 | yos | my mother in low maked |
| 00:53.54 | yos | have i know i dont ask :) |
| 00:54.14 | yos | php5-interbase - interbase/firebird module for php5 |
| 00:54.18 | yos | yeah |
| 00:54.19 | erichapkido | /usr/lib/libhal.so.1 |
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| 00:54.21 | erichapkido | its on there |
| 00:54.28 | abrotman | erichapkido: man ln |
| 00:54.34 | abrotman | cheat |
| 00:54.56 | asg | yos: well, the php5-interbase package didn't do it but the firebird rdbms package did. dpkg -l | grep firebird |
| 00:55.16 | yos | wich php5-module read my picture Code ? my forum ask for a CODE ..a gif code |
| 00:55.21 | erichapkido | but where do i ln hal to? there is no libhal.so in vmware/lib/ |
| 00:55.26 | yos | php5-gb ?? or wich ? |
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| 00:55.43 | abrotman | erichapkido: man libhal.so.0 point at libhal.so.1 |
| 00:56.14 | asg | abrotman: now it's starting to get like it was last weekend |
| 00:56.43 | abrotman | asg: this is way better than before |
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| 00:56.55 | patbam | anyone have some pointers on where i could look for someone to do some contract-based debian sysadmin work? |
| 00:57.09 | abrotman | patbam: debian.org/consultants |
| 00:57.28 | asg | patbam: http://www.debian.org/support#consultants |
| 00:57.30 | erichapkido | that doesn't do anything it just says man libhal.so.0 not found |
| 00:57.30 | patbam | abrotman: great, thanks |
| 00:58.05 | rhys | hey abrotman, still want those HPPA pizzaboxes? |
| 00:58.15 | Yggdrasil | how can i find out what uid i am ? |
| 00:58.20 | abrotman | erichapkido: man ln .. make libhal.so.0 point to libhal.so.1 |
| 00:58.24 | asg | Yggdrasil: id |
| 00:58.26 | Yggdrasil | or what uid do i mount for use by all users |
| 00:58.26 | beardy | patbam: What is the pay? |
| 00:58.26 | abrotman | rhys: aren't you in liberia ? |
| 00:58.31 | rhys | i sent and email into the parisc mailing list. no reply. |
| 00:58.35 | rhys | libera? ohio more like. |
| 00:58.40 | abrotman | rhys: same thing! |
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| 00:58.49 | rhys | lol |
| 00:58.52 | abrotman | rhys: did you email the debian-devel list ? |
| 00:58.56 | asg | Yggdrasil: what filesystem? |
| 00:59.05 | Yggdrasil | cifs |
| 00:59.09 | rhys | abrotman, not debian. just pasrisc. thought that was better |
| 00:59.17 | rhys | but i guess ill try them as well |
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| 00:59.33 | abrotman | rhys: wait .. didn't i tell you to email the debian-hppa list ? |
| 00:59.45 | rhys | happen to know how i can map page up and page down to the mouse wheel? keys 99 and 105 |
| 01:00.04 | rhys | abrotman, there links pointed to the main site, parisc.org. bit more appical. |
| 01:00.07 | erichapkido | hmm, now it outputs an error on libstdc++ and hangs |
| 01:00.09 | abrotman | rhys: and while you're at it .. fix jabber.org |
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| 01:00.23 | abrotman | rhys: i meant the debian-hppa mailing list .. it's an active list |
| 01:00.25 | rhys | oh right then. right on that one abrotman. |
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| 01:00.32 | abrotman | rhys: unlike the debian-parisc list |
| 01:00.33 | rhys | stop by israel and stop the fighting as well |
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| 01:01.03 | abrotman | we're being invaded by cisco! |
| 01:01.09 | rhys | ? |
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| 01:01.37 | asg | abrotman: it's easy to defeat cisco, just ask them for a discount |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 01:01.53 | sysop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.59 | sarefo_ | i seem to have a firewall problem: when it's on (on my router), i cannot connect to my machine via dyndns.org, although i have port 80 out->in allowed and forwarded to the ip mentioned in ifconfig eth0. what could be the problem? |
| 01:02.00 | rhys | my personal favorite is USR. they are just...amazing. |
| 01:02.15 | abrotman | sarefo_: your ISP might not |
| 01:02.35 | w0rd54 | sarefo: port 80 = commonly blocked |
| 01:02.40 | w0rd54 | sarefo: at least on the incoming side... |
| 01:02.44 | w0rd54 | sarefo: try a separate port |
| 01:03.26 | sarefo_ | ahh, no! i get it now. i guess it's that i'm not allowing outgoing port 80. because i'm trying to receive data from my apache via an external url. sounds reasonable, no? |
| 01:03.27 | wols | sarefo_: check the IP while on the router. what router is it? |
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| 01:03.38 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 01:03.38 | dpkg | iptables is, like, the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
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| 01:03.55 | rhys | lol. dpkg is such a bitch |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | dpkg: love rhys |
| 01:04.14 | rhys | roffle |
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| 01:04.32 | rhys | anyone happen to know how to map keyboard keys to mouse keys? |
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| 01:04.56 | mcquaid | how can I determine what pkg provided a specific binary? |
| 01:05.10 | amphi | mcquaid: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 01:05.11 | abrotman | mcquaid: dpkg -S |
| 01:05.18 | erichapkido | well, after ln -s |
| 01:05.20 | mcquaid | thanks |
| 01:05.24 | Pretto | hi there... is there a way to list unmounted cd devices |
| 01:05.27 | Pretto | ?? |
| 01:05.39 | erichapkido | 'ing the other thigns i get http://pastebin.ca/195729 |
| 01:05.45 | beardy | !wiui Pretto |
| 01:05.46 | sarefo_ | w0rd54: what do you mean 'try a separate port'? |
| 01:05.47 | dpkg | Pretto: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 01:06.13 | abrotman | beardy: no .. i don't think that's what he was asking |
| 01:06.22 | sarefo_ | wols: it's a zyxel dsl router. |
| 01:06.22 | abrotman | erichapkido: have you asked #vmware |
| 01:06.28 | wols | sarefo_: ISPs don't like you run your own servers. so they sometimes block port80 |
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| 01:06.32 | w0rd54 | sarefo: something that's not port 80 :P |
| 01:06.33 | beardy | abrotman: no.. not exactly, but he can use it to solve it, I think |
| 01:06.40 | erichapkido | i tried, but there wasn't any activity when i did |
| 01:06.44 | erichapkido | and ive googled it |
| 01:06.44 | w0rd54 | sarefo: isps don't liek their customers using port 80 for multiple reasons |
| 01:06.45 | sarefo_ | yes, but what should i change? |
| 01:06.51 | w0rd54 | sarefo: one of the reasons is financial ;P |
| 01:06.51 | wols | sarefo_: hardware routers often have shitty NAT, leading to problems like yours |
| 01:06.51 | abrotman | beardy: he wants to know which devices in his system aren't mounted |
| 01:06.53 | w0rd54 | sarefo: try port 8080 |
| 01:07.03 | sarefo_ | where should i change it? |
| 01:07.03 | abrotman | erichapkido: apt-file search libdbus-1.so.0 |
| 01:07.11 | Pretto | lemme explain it better |
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| 01:07.20 | w0rd54 | lol |
| 01:07.21 | wols | sarefo_: in your apache configs and/or your port forwards |
| 01:07.22 | abrotman | sarefo_: read docs at http://httpd.apache.org/ |
| 01:07.26 | w0rd54 | sarefo: rtfm? :P |
| 01:07.37 | sarefo_ | ok, in apache. thx, was a bit stumped |
| 01:07.41 | Pretto | i need to list all cd devices even if it isnt mounted |
| 01:07.46 | erichapkido | abrotman: apt-file not found |
| 01:07.51 | rhys | i take it noone does that |
| 01:08.00 | abrotman | erichapkido: locate libdbus-1.so |
| 01:08.14 | Pretto | i know that i can see some info using /proc/mount |
| 01:08.16 | abrotman | erichapkido: but i really doubt you're going to get this to work |
| 01:08.24 | Pretto | but just to mounted devices |
| 01:08.35 | erichapkido | abrotman: the only thing is, I have used on this system before. It just broke one day |
| 01:08.36 | beardy | Pretto: Run 'mount' and compare the output with a list of cd devices available on your machine. |
| 01:08.36 | w0rd54 | grrr...f-ing cacti....changed the sys's (cacti host) ip and the f-ing thing is not graphing |
| 01:08.46 | yos | wich module php5 i need to see the Code in a gif ?? my forum generate code and i cant see php5-zlib php5-gb ?? |
| 01:08.46 | abrotman | erichapkido: are you running sid ? |
| 01:08.51 | erichapkido | abrotman: etch |
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| 01:09.03 | Pretto | beardy, ok... but the question is how to get a list of devices |
| 01:09.28 | beardy | Pretto: How many cd drives do you have? |
| 01:09.43 | beardy | Pretto: Don't you know their devicenames? |
| 01:09.52 | abrotman | erichapkido: locate libdbus-1.so |
| 01:09.54 | Pretto | i have only one beardy, but i will do an app to list all |
| 01:10.17 | erichapkido | comes up with 4 things, .so.2 and .so.3 |
| 01:10.20 | beardy | Pretto: Why? If you only have one, you can only use one? And it uses only one devicename. |
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| 01:11.07 | Pretto | beardy, i need that not thinking about my machine only... imagine if someone else wanna use this python script |
| 01:11.27 | beardy | Pretto: Ah. |
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| 01:11.45 | abrotman | erichapkido: use ln again |
| 01:11.53 | erichapkido | abrotman: did |
| 01:12.00 | beardy | Pretto: Then you have to take into account that there are both SCSI (mostly emulated) drives, and IDE drives. |
| 01:12.06 | abrotman | erichapkido: ok .. and what ? |
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| 01:12.16 | erichapkido | abrotman: that error happens |
| 01:12.23 | beardy | Pretto: And nothing in the device name says that is is a cd drive, or a harddrive. |
| 01:12.36 | Yggdrasil | to chown a directory and all subdirs is it chown -r 500 ? |
| 01:12.51 | beardy | Yggdrasil: man chown |
| 01:13.02 | Pretto | beardy, but how dbus and nautilusburn could do it? |
| 01:13.03 | Yggdrasil | yes sir |
| 01:13.07 | beardy | Yggdrasil: -R is it not? |
| 01:13.12 | abrotman | erichapkido: i'm just going to guess that the version of vmware you have isn't compatible for some ridiculous reason |
| 01:13.15 | sarefo_ | wait, when my ISP would block :80, then it should not be possible to connect from outside to my server, even with firewall off, right? |
| 01:13.18 | Yggdrasil | ahh could be i was going crazy |
| 01:13.24 | sarefo_ | but when the firewall is down, it's no problem. |
| 01:13.26 | abrotman | erichapkido: this is why you should really be asking #vmware |
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| 01:13.42 | sarefo_ | so am i right that the port number should not be the problem? |
| 01:13.50 | erichapkido | abrotman: i did and no one is doing anything, i just want to know why it did work |
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| 01:14.11 | abrotman | library change |
| 01:14.26 | beardy | Pretto: Perhaps one way is to look at /var/log/dmesg and cut out the device names of cd drives from it. |
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| 01:14.47 | Pretto | ok beardy, i will try |
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| 01:15.23 | beardy | Pretto: Or rely on symlinks, /dev/cdrom and /dev/cdrom1 and so on.. |
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| 01:15.45 | beardy | Pretto: But I don't think anymore than /dev/cdrom is created automatically. |
| 01:16.05 | Pretto | i will try to figure it out |
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| 01:16.53 | Pretto | i could do it using nautilusburn, but it's documentation is so poor that i gave up |
| 01:17.02 | beardy | Hehe |
| 01:17.19 | sarefo_ | any idea what SUA means in a NAT context? i can only find 'Seamen's Union of Australia', and i'm not very positive that that's what i was looking for ;) |
| 01:17.29 | Pretto | and i don't even wanna mention dbus documentation too :p |
| 01:17.49 | oxyride | SUA=single user account? |
| 01:18.02 | sarefo_ | oxyride: ah, that makes more sense :) thx |
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| 01:18.20 | oxyride | SUA <-> Port Mapping? |
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| 01:19.25 | oxyride | SUA, Port Mapping, Port Trigger are nothing o.o |
| 01:19.56 | _villain | has anyone else reported issues of apache2+php5 in testing/unstable? |
| 01:20.02 | abrotman | everyone |
| 01:20.15 | beardy | _villain: Check the bts, /msg dpkg bts |
| 01:20.18 | _villain | i just did an upgrade and its all gone pearshaped |
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| 01:20.29 | dvs | pearshaped? |
| 01:20.30 | abrotman | _villain: yes .. you're running unstable .. that will happen |
| 01:20.48 | _villain | dvs: starts off looking ok, then just gets worse |
| 01:21.07 | _villain | abrotman: any eta of a fix in sight? |
| 01:21.16 | abrotman | dunno.. check the bts :) |
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| 01:21.32 | abrotman | _villain: it's a well known issue though |
| 01:21.39 | Strider22 | #openwrt |
| 01:21.41 | abrotman | _villain: yuo've upgraded from apache2.0 to 2.2 |
| 01:22.41 | _villain | ok |
| 01:22.44 | _villain | aslong as im not alone |
| 01:22.51 | _villain | means they're probably working on a fix |
| 01:22.58 | abrotman | if you're lucky |
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| 01:23.29 | crovax | you're probably better off using etch if you really need the newer packages |
| 01:23.45 | _villain | ah, im using etch |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | _villain: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 01:24.06 | _villain | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 01:24.23 | abrotman | !info libc6 unstable |
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| 01:24.29 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 4587 kB, Installed size: 10808 kB |
| 01:24.40 | abrotman | you've got newer than sid! |
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| 01:24.47 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:24.53 | _villain | ok, etch is unstable? |
| 01:24.55 | abrotman | the website is out of whack too |
| 01:24.57 | dvs | experimental? |
| 01:25.01 | abrotman | _villain: no . sid is unstable .. etch is testing |
| 01:25.05 | _villain | ok |
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| 01:26.17 | _villain | i guess its time to play the waiting game |
| 01:26.52 | _villain | can you downgrade again to apache2.0? |
| 01:26.57 | _villain | from 2.2 |
| 01:27.02 | abrotman | you can try |
| 01:27.15 | _villain | nice |
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| 01:27.21 | abrotman | i'm seroius! :) |
| 01:27.21 | _villain | probably end up in a worse condition |
| 01:27.22 | _villain | hehe |
| 01:27.26 | abrotman | you probably would |
| 01:28.19 | _villain | works without php for now, guess ill wait for an update |
| 01:28.34 | abrotman | the package you're waiting for is libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 01:28.34 | asg | _villain: abrotman upgraded to unstable and now he can't spell. Let that be a warning. |
| 01:29.02 | _villain | libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version. |
| 01:29.20 | sarefo__ | was disconnected, sorry if this appeared before: if my apache server sends pages readily outwards when the firewall is down, but not when it's up, NAT should not be the problem i guess? |
| 01:29.22 | _villain | unless they have a newer version on the way |
| 01:29.24 | sarefo__ | and when i have lan->net "all tcp allowed" and net->lan "tcp:80 allowed", how can it be that my apache is blocked if i activate the router firewall? |
| 01:29.29 | abrotman | _villain: i meant .. when that package gets updated .. it should be the fix |
| 01:29.34 | _villain | ok |
| 01:29.36 | _villain | thought so |
| 01:30.00 | asg | !fix abrotman |
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| 01:30.15 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:30.26 | abrotman | the world will be a better place! |
| 01:30.27 | _villain | heh |
| 01:30.38 | dvs | Hey! I was the one who saw The Doctor! |
| 01:31.40 | bws42 | sarefo__ port forwarding done? |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | sarefo_: your ISP won't let you do that |
| 01:32.13 | abrotman | sarefo__: ^^ |
| 01:32.31 | abrotman | more than likely anyways |
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| 01:35.59 | manni18 | abrotman sucks cocks |
| 01:36.12 | dvs | manni18: ooooooooooookay |
| 01:36.13 | abrotman | wow .. that's so profound |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | oh .. i see |
| 01:36.21 | manni18 | :) |
| 01:36.33 | manni18 | can someone help me with my debian box? |
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| 01:36.39 | Yggdrasil | ok ok, i know this probobly isnt the right place but can somone help me set up an hp office jet under console |
| 01:36.40 | abrotman | alindeman: we had problems with this guy the other night |
| 01:36.41 | manni18 | i installed xserver-xorg |
| 01:36.52 | amphi | manni18: after that?? |
| 01:36.53 | manni18 | but i dont get a window |
| 01:36.58 | manni18 | after i did "startx" |
| 01:37.10 | D-Line | i have kernel-image problem |
| 01:37.11 | manni18 | and it says: command not found if i try "X --version" |
| 01:37.23 | D-Line | dpkg- -l says me |
| 01:37.29 | D-Line | ri kernel-image-2 |
| 01:37.32 | D-Line | what is it ? |
| 01:37.41 | D-Line | ii normal install i know |
| 01:37.46 | D-Line | what is ri ? |
| 01:37.51 | amphi | D-Line: try COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |
| 01:37.57 | Travellis | It seems to me that people only care about the loss of someone when that someone was of utility to them. |
| 01:37.57 | asg | abrotman: thought you preferred cheesesteaks to fowl |
| 01:38.06 | pac | does anyone know of a good way to allow a user to run certain commands as root in a non-interactive script (network related)? |
| 01:38.06 | Travellis | What a sad state of affairs. |
| 01:38.17 | abrotman | asg: he's the /msg beep guy |
| 01:38.22 | Travellis | I read the story about lilo at Slashdot and people comment in remarking on his utility to them... |
| 01:38.26 | amphi | pac: sudo ? |
| 01:38.28 | abrotman | Travellis: STOP already |
| 01:38.35 | pac | a script |
| 01:38.38 | Travellis | as if that is supposed to make his death that much more significant. |
| 01:38.42 | pac | sudo asks for a password |
| 01:38.43 | asg | abrotman: *nod* |
| 01:38.56 | Travellis | Is there any problem in giving the court a photocopy of my student ID if I don't have to? Will they keep an eye on me or something? |
| 01:39.00 | abrotman | Travellis: do you have *anything* debian related to say ? |
| 01:39.29 | asg | pac: man sudoers (search for the NOPASSWD bit) |
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| 01:39.41 | Travellis | I just bought myself a Porsche 911 with all the monies I made from Debian Support. |
| 01:39.53 | D-Line | amphi ri kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 2.6.8-16sarge4 |
| 01:39.54 | abrotman | !ops Travellis has been rambling on for quite a while |
| 01:39.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: Travellis has been rambling on for quite a while |
| 01:40.33 | Travellis | A human life should be appreciated REGARDLESS of its utility. |
| 01:40.39 | D-Line | how i remove it and install again |
| 01:40.44 | asg | Travellis: /j #sobstory |
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| 01:41.00 | abrotman | LoRez: thank you |
| 01:41.25 | D-Line | what does ri means ? |
| 01:41.35 | abrotman | probably removed/installed |
| 01:41.36 | amphi | Travellis: why? human life is not exactly rare |
| 01:41.48 | D-Line | okay |
| 01:41.52 | beardy | amphi: Don't feed it please.. |
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| 01:42.38 | D-Line | then i dont have any problem :) |
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| 01:42.57 | D-Line | thank you |
| 01:43.19 | asg | D-Line: it means that you the package manager thinks you want it removed and that it is currently installed (dpkg -l | head -n3) |
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| 01:43.36 | asg | s/you the/the/ |
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| 01:45.12 | D-Line | dpkf -l | head -n3 say me anything |
| 01:45.12 | zor0 | where can I get some help with perl/Tk ? |
| 01:45.22 | D-Line | i dont know but i think its error messages |
| 01:45.32 | asg | D-Line: dpkg, not dpkf |
| 01:45.37 | beardy | zor0: In #perl perhaps. |
| 01:45.39 | asg | zor0: #perl is a good start |
| 01:45.41 | D-Line | dpkg sorry |
| 01:45.41 | zor0 | I'm having trouble finding the general stuff, I take it Tk is somehow related to gtk? |
| 01:45.41 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 01:45.53 | asg | zor0: no, TK is unrelated to gtk |
| 01:46.09 | D-Line | ststus=not/installed/config-files/unpacked/failed-config/half-installed |
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| 01:46.47 | simonrvn | that tells you what the letters mean in front |
| 01:46.50 | cmatheson | i have an lcd screen that i don't know the horizsync/vertrefresh for... the vendor's page (acer) doesn't list those either, is there any other way to find those out, or just a pretty safe setting i could put that at? |
| 01:46.51 | D-Line | err?=(none)/hold/reinst-required/x=both-problems(status,err:uppercase=bad) |
| 01:47.03 | abrotman | we all have that here .. we don't need to see it again :) |
| 01:47.10 | D-Line | is it normal messages ? |
| 01:47.17 | _villain | is auth_digest.load used for AuthUserFile in apache? |
| 01:47.19 | asg | D-Line: you'll note that there are three heading items (Desired, Status, and Error) You have 'ri' which means 'Remove' (Desired) and 'Installed' (Status) |
| 01:47.26 | amphi | zor0: tk is the widget toolkit for tcl |
| 01:47.40 | D-Line | okay asg |
| 01:47.42 | D-Line | thank you |
| 01:47.43 | asg | zor0: it's also a generic toolkit for perl, python, and a few other languages |
| 01:48.08 | asg | D-Line: ri is generally not something I see in practice. It may happen to people that use deselect or aptitude but I'm not sure. |
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| 01:48.26 | simonrvn | _villain: it's just to load the module. you want .conf to actually configure it, or add it to your vhost |
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| 01:48.41 | D-Line | understand |
| 01:48.58 | _villain | .htaccess: Invalid command 'AuthUserFile', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 01:49.04 | D-Line | i just install debian 2 hours ago :) |
| 01:49.16 | _villain | only started getting that error after that wacky apache2+php5 upgrade |
| 01:49.28 | D-Line | i read debian handbook |
| 01:50.05 | sarefo__ | bws42: i forwarded the ports, that's why i'm stumped. without firewall -> connection to my apache, with firewall -> no connection. |
| 01:50.06 | amphi | D-Line: the debian reference is useful |
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| 01:50.32 | sarefo__ | even if i allow *all* tcp lan->net and net->lan |
| 01:50.40 | sarefo__ | makes no sense to me. |
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| 01:50.53 | D-Line | yes but my english is big problem :) |
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| 01:51.03 | ahlfors | kernel compiling has changed since I last did it. Which of the following packages do I actually need? |
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| 01:51.22 | ahlfors | linux-patch-debian-X, linux-support-X, linux-source-X, linux-tree-X |
| 01:51.24 | amphi | D-Line: what is your default language? d-r is available in several IIRC |
| 01:51.34 | asg | D-Line: you could try #debian.tr |
| 01:51.35 | D-Line | turkish |
| 01:51.44 | ahlfors | linux-kbuild-X |
| 01:52.03 | D-Line | my peoples slepping now |
| 01:52.05 | D-Line | :) |
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| 01:52.14 | D-Line | 04:52 here morning |
| 01:52.23 | D-Line | sleeping sorry |
| 01:52.25 | dvs | D-Line: don't slepp here. ;-) |
| 01:52.44 | abrotman | or schlep! |
| 01:52.48 | amphi | D-Line: looks like you get to do the .tr translation... |
| 01:53.12 | D-Line | i looking my turkish-english dictionary sometimes |
| 01:53.15 | D-Line | :P |
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| 01:56.50 | jade | in text display util 'less' how can i have it display the line number ? |
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| 01:58.28 | beardy | jade: Have you read the manual, and read what the "h" key gives you when you are using less? |
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| 01:59.48 | nvz | jade: -N |
| 01:59.54 | jade | nvz, thanks |
| 02:00.06 | ahlfors | How can I tell aptitude to forget every pending operation I've requested? |
| 02:00.33 | beardy | jade: --LINE-NUMBERS or -N |
| 02:00.41 | jade | very nice |
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| 02:00.47 | beardy | And it's all in the manual. |
| 02:00.53 | pupu | hi #debian |
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| 02:01.46 | sarefo | is there a preferred tool to connect wlan in debian? |
| 02:01.56 | abrotman | karlfrit: please stop |
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| 02:02.04 | sarefo | i tried kwifimanager and kwlan and could not get it to work. |
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| 02:03.17 | amphi | sarefo: iwconfig and ifconfig are not hard to use, and perhaps better for testing; I don't trust them gui things ;) |
| 02:03.35 | pupu | i've just upgraded my (unstable) debian... i've got this msg when i #/etc/init.d/apache2 start: "/usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is garbled" |
| 02:03.57 | ahlfors | seriously, I desperately need to make aptitude forget all the pending actions, I've made a huge mess and need to backpedal |
| 02:04.38 | Guerin | ahlfors: purge and reinstall |
| 02:04.52 | ahlfors | aptitude itself? |
| 02:05.01 | Guerin | ahlfors: it's crude, but it works. |
| 02:05.07 | Guerin | ahlfors: there's probably a smarter way |
| 02:05.24 | ahlfors | worked like a chaaam. Thanks! |
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| 02:07.29 | pupu | someone with a working unstable upgraded debian + php5 + apache2 ? |
| 02:07.42 | abrotman | it's broken .. we know |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | !btssmite pupu |
| 02:08.03 | ahlfors | What is the recommended gcc version for compiling a 2.6.17 kernel? (I'm on AMD64, if it matters) |
| 02:09.19 | LoRez | how would one burn a DL dvd on sid? |
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| 02:09.34 | abrotman | duallayer? |
| 02:09.36 | zinx | could try growisofs |
| 02:09.43 | zinx | dunno how it handles dual layer though |
| 02:09.46 | pupu | abrotman: ok sorry.. i thought there was a solution... i saw that the bug was reported but i thought there was a solution.. |
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| 02:10.02 | abrotman | pupu: wait .. they know it's broken .. they're working on a fix |
| 02:10.34 | pupu | abrotman: cool thanks.. ill just wait then (that's what i thought i have to do) |
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| 02:10.37 | LoRez | zinx: it seems to puke unfortunately. |
| 02:10.49 | _villain | pupu: lets revolt and use windows! |
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| 02:11.02 | zinx | LoRez: i think that's the way most CD/DVD stuff is in Linux :/ |
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| 02:11.06 | pupu | _villain: :P |
| 02:11.14 | _villain | i have the same error |
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| 02:11.23 | _villain | fun^2 |
| 02:11.23 | zinx | LoRez: i blame joerg for every bit of it |
| 02:11.31 | LoRez | zinx: :-( unable to fork -umount: Cannot allocate memory |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | *everyone* running apache2+php5 in sid has hte problem! |
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| 02:11.40 | zinx | larez: O_O |
| 02:11.42 | zinx | erh, o |
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| 02:11.58 | zinx | LoRez: not sure why growisofs would be trying to mount, weird |
| 02:12.09 | LoRez | yeah, me either. |
| 02:12.34 | pupu | too bad.. a lot of ppl must be using apache2 + php5... perhaps they fix it in a few days 8-)... |
| 02:12.40 | LoRez | actually, it spews that after it prints that it's executing builtin_dd |
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| 02:15.21 | karlfrit | i am a pimp |
| 02:15.27 | karlfrit | drop it like its hot!! |
| 02:16.45 | ahlfors | what version of gcc is used to compile the debian stock kernels? |
| 02:17.14 | abrotman | karlfrit: do you have a debian related question ? |
| 02:17.24 | karlfrit | yes |
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| 02:17.30 | abrotman | and what might it be? |
| 02:17.36 | karlfrit | how can i see what i have? |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | !installed |
| 02:17.42 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 02:27.36 | D-Line | i use apt-get -yf command is it wrong ? |
| 02:27.43 | D-Line | i install apache2 and proftpd now |
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| 02:30.18 | Yggdrasil | ok making progress but i dont think i have the lp command installed what package is that in ? |
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| 02:32.22 | matt__ | I'm trying to write a simple wrapper (preferably GUI) around penggy --- any suggestions? |
| 02:32.48 | secher | How unstable is experimantal? i.e. if I'm fine with Sid, oh, I'd guess about 99.99% of the time, how much less stable is experimental? |
| 02:34.01 | secher | <crickets> |
| 02:34.17 | abrotman | bad! |
| 02:34.21 | abrotman | !experimental |
| 02:34.21 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 02:34.55 | abrotman | secher: i've been trying to get initng to work from it .. doesn't even finish booting |
| 02:35.05 | abrotman | NIC is gone .. weird stuf |
| 02:35.19 | Yggdrasil | ok making progress but i dont think i have the lp command installed what package is that in ? |
| 02:35.28 | secher | abrotman: Kk, feh. Thanks man. |
| 02:35.34 | abrotman | !tell Yggdrasil about search |
| 02:35.40 | abrotman | secher: apt-get install feh |
| 02:35.40 | Yggdrasil | thanks ;( |
| 02:37.15 | matt__ | according to packages.debian.org - net/lprng |
| 02:37.29 | secher | abrotman: dude, you and about 2 others are the only people I know whose opinions are held in such high esteem by me that I will install software sight unseen bases solely on their suggestion. Nice little util tho', thanks. |
| 02:37.30 | matt__ | and/or cupsys-client |
| 02:37.41 | secher | s/bases/based/g |
| 02:37.52 | abrotman | secher: i was joking .. only because you said "feh" :) |
| 02:37.59 | abrotman | secher: i actually prefer eog |
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| 02:38.57 | Daveman | still at it, abrotman? :) |
| 02:38.58 | vipersniper | i need to remove a program with ap-get and all of the depends that got installed with it |
| 02:39.03 | secher | Nah, I'll stick with feh, I don't want all of that gnome stuff on my puter. |
| 02:39.07 | vipersniper | is that possible |
| 02:39.17 | Yggdrasil | ahhh.. how do i locate only what i type.. i type locate lp and it gives me everythign with lp in it i awant only "lp" .. |
| 02:39.35 | abrotman | Daveman: just won't die! |
| 02:39.51 | vipersniper | what switches would i need with apt-get remove |
| 02:39.52 | Yggdrasil | i swear why do i subject myself to this torture..---- |
| 02:39.56 | abrotman | secher: ah .. i already have it .. not a big deal for me :) |
| 02:41.10 | vipersniper | anyone |
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| 02:41.16 | secher | Ygg: cause you are a closeted S&M submissive? DUnno, why? |
| 02:41.51 | rpc | hm is there a smart way of removing files that are 0 bytes in size? |
| 02:42.06 | Yggdrasil | hey closet appliance fetishest |
| 02:42.12 | secher | Ygg: LOL. |
| 02:42.17 | rpc | for $a in `ls -la`... bla bla? |
| 02:42.27 | Yggdrasil | i just need to know which package to install to get lp |
| 02:42.30 | Yggdrasil | its a simple cmd |
| 02:42.49 | abrotman | vipersniper: should have used aptitude |
| 02:43.01 | matt__ | apt-get install lprng |
| 02:43.13 | matt__ | vipersniper - got that? |
| 02:43.40 | vipersniper | matt__, what does lprng do |
| 02:43.40 | matt__ | or just install cupsys |
| 02:44.15 | rpc | yeah cupsys is nice |
| 02:44.16 | matt__ | lprng is a debian package that contains lp |
| 02:44.20 | yanmorin | cupsys-client: /usr/bin/lp |
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| 02:44.41 | yanmorin | (with dpkg -S /usr/bin/lp) |
| 02:44.41 | vipersniper | abrotman, what about apt-get remove --auto-remove package-name |
| 02:44.54 | abrotman | give it a whirl |
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| 02:45.16 | Yggdrasil | mat me ? |
| 02:45.39 | Yggdrasil | mat thanks ill try it |
| 02:45.47 | yanmorin | Yggdrasil, which lp (gives you the full path of the command) |
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| 02:46.24 | matt__ | yanmorin - it's easier to use http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
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| 02:46.29 | matt__ | to search for stuff |
| 02:46.45 | ahlfors | how can I get the value of a kernel module parameter at runtime? |
| 02:46.53 | yanmorin | it's esaier to search for stuff with a browser than with the command line? |
| 02:47.12 | matt__ | welll... it depends on how comfortable you are |
| 02:47.13 | d0uglas | get the best of both worlds with lynx |
| 02:47.17 | secher | abrotman: nor do I, it's years old. |
| 02:47.28 | matt__ | lol lynx |
| 02:47.30 | yanmorin | d0uglas, to much manipulation with lynx... |
| 02:47.31 | amphi | ahlfors: perhaps from sysfs |
| 02:47.32 | yanmorin | too |
| 02:47.42 | abrotman | secher: heheh |
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| 02:47.51 | Guerin | hm, sshfs failing for anyone in etch? |
| 02:48.07 | ahlfors | amphi, I can't seem to find a node for this driver (sx8.o = Promise SX8 SATA controller) |
| 02:48.15 | yanmorin | lynx "i feel lucky" "debian package" | grep lp , lol |
| 02:48.19 | Guerin | says /dev/fuse is missing whe I try to sshfs user@host:path /mountpoint |
| 02:48.22 | secher | Kk, lets see if I can mooch bandwidth off of someone near the park so I can sit outside and enjoy the evening while I get some work done.. Hopefully I'll see you all in a few. |
| 02:48.23 | Guerin | nothing on BTS |
| 02:48.26 | rpc | lol yanmorin |
| 02:48.31 | dererk | do you know a ftp client which supports ssl ? |
| 02:48.47 | dererk | lol, I found one :-P |
| 02:48.54 | rpc | yanmorin ... | xargs dpkg -i :s |
| 02:48.56 | amphi | ahlfors: not under /sys/module |
| 02:48.57 | Yggdrasil | yamornin |
| 02:49.09 | rpc | yamoaning :p |
| 02:49.38 | rpc | dererk ftp = crap :] |
| 02:49.52 | Yggdrasil | yamoaning thanks thats ausefull cmd. |
| 02:49.56 | Guerin | !ftpmustdie |
| 02:49.56 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 02:50.11 | rpc | true. true. |
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| 02:50.36 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 02:50.37 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 02:51.08 | ahlfors | amphi, haha, how did I miss that? |
| 02:51.32 | dererk | :-| |
| 02:51.40 | yanmorin | !debug x |
| 02:51.40 | dpkg | debug x is, like, "grep '(EE)' /var/log/XFree86.0.log" or "grep '(EE)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 02:52.10 | yanmorin | hum.. not what I want |
| 02:53.31 | yanmorin | !debug setxkbmap |
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| 02:53.53 | yanmorin | yeah, that's what I was thinking |
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| 02:54.21 | wladston | I know maybe this is not the place, but ....... anyone knows how can I send emails from @domain.org, and NOT from @server.domain.org ? I'm unsure about editing the configuration file ....Am I safe to change the myhostname setting ? Is this what I have to change ? |
| 02:54.35 | epsilon | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie <--- sorry, but who ever wrote this has no idea of running an FTP server |
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| 02:54.52 | abrotman | epsilon: you might want to rethink that opinion |
| 02:54.53 | epsilon | every single argument has errors |
| 02:54.55 | rata | hi |
| 02:55.10 | abrotman | epsilon: please .. provide a counterpoint |
| 02:55.38 | epsilon | ASCII transfer as default? sorry, but modern client support intelligent auto-switch |
| 02:56.01 | epsilon | data transfer not encrypted? sorry, but that works since ages |
| 02:56.03 | ahlfors | Has anyone here ever used a promise SX8 under linux? (I know about taking polls, I want to know how safe it is to set sx8.max_queue > 1) |
| 02:56.12 | abrotman | epsilon: really .. does IE encrypt it? |
| 02:56.14 | wladston | I'm so confused about this postfif stuff ...people at #postfix will say nothing ... |
| 02:56.19 | rpc | epsilon what does work since ages? especially for an average jo? |
| 02:56.30 | epsilon | firewall is a problem? Sorry, every daemon use a listening port and needed to be open in firewall |
| 02:56.32 | abrotman | epsilon: tell you what .. you can go to #bash tomorrow .. ask greycat about it |
| 02:56.33 | rpc | epsilon we are not speaking of warez bouncers here... |
| 02:56.35 | epsilon | etc etc etc |
| 02:56.37 | rata | if i install sun-java5-jdk, its the same as if i install the binary from sun, isnt it ? |
| 02:56.51 | abrotman | epsilon: now you're just full of it :) |
| 02:56.52 | epsilon | abrotman: man car can't cook... your point? |
| 02:57.00 | abrotman | epsilon: you're wrong? :) |
| 02:57.14 | rpc | epsilon those bouncers etc. are non-standard ways of fixing the problem, nothing about encryption is included in ftp protocol per se |
| 02:57.16 | epsilon | IE is NOT an ftp-client, even if MS say so |
| 02:57.23 | abrotman | it is an ftp client |
| 02:57.31 | rpc | it sure is an ftp client |
| 02:57.34 | abrotman | it supports the ftp protocol |
| 02:57.35 | rpc | as it follow the rfc |
| 02:57.40 | epsilon | thanks, you choose worst pseudo-client and define FTP as "bad" |
| 02:57.40 | rpc | follows* |
| 02:57.42 | abrotman | you can't discount it because you think it sucks |
| 02:57.54 | abrotman | no .. FTP is just bad .. stupid clients or not |
| 02:58.06 | rpc | epsilon the protocol is bad.. not the client. |
| 02:58.22 | Guerin | epsilon: greycat still hangs around here a fair bit, you can argue that toss with him |
| 02:58.31 | Guerin | not in #debian, though he used to be an op here |
| 02:58.32 | rpc | i would love to see that :) |
| 02:58.38 | abrotman | i'd pay money! |
| 02:58.47 | rpc | me too lol, i'm serious |
| 02:58.49 | jetscreamer | he's in #bash |
| 02:58.58 | jetscreamer | not atm i don't htink |
| 02:58.59 | abrotman | not now .. he will be tomorrow EST |
| 02:59.03 | Guerin | epsilon: the argument is that the protocol is unnecessarily arcane |
| 02:59.12 | abrotman | and bad! |
| 02:59.12 | rpc | even though i CAN understand epsilon's point of view |
| 02:59.16 | jetscreamer | i saw mwilson in there the other week too |
| 02:59.23 | jetscreamer | very refreshing |
| 02:59.27 | dansushi | what are the good apps for converting small video files in to animated gif's? |
| 02:59.28 | amphi | heh |
| 02:59.32 | Guerin | epsilon: and insecure, and wasteful, and fragile, and that better alternatives are available and should be used in preference |
| 02:59.33 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he's always attached |
| 02:59.39 | Guerin | dansushi: eew |
| 02:59.43 | rpc | he is just messing up the protocol itself with clients and other stuff that is meant to cover up some big ass holes |
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| 03:00.16 | abrotman | wait .. pro-telnet argument in five minutes |
| 03:00.20 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:00.29 | rpc | oh hm |
| 03:00.35 | Giganotosaurus | telnet is easy to type |
| 03:00.35 | Guerin | man |
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| 03:00.44 | Guerin | i'm ircing from my sunny balcony with a beer |
| 03:00.49 | Guerin | springtime is good to me |
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| 03:00.52 | rpc | what epsilon just said makes me think of a telnet session wrapped in some ssh tunnel |
| 03:01.12 | dansushi | Guerin, was it something i said? : |
| 03:01.15 | dansushi | :P |
| 03:01.16 | rpc | that's possible which doesn't mean that telnet itself is cool... |
| 03:01.25 | Guerin | dansushi: yeah. 'animated gifs' |
| 03:01.30 | abrotman | Guerin: let's trade! |
| 03:01.34 | rpc | don't you agree epsilon? |
| 03:01.42 | Guerin | abrotman: no! you'll never get my beer! |
| 03:01.51 | abrotman | i don't want the beer .. i want spring |
| 03:01.58 | Guerin | oh, easy |
| 03:02.00 | Guerin | come to NZ |
| 03:02.07 | Guerin | they're gagging for IT workers here |
| 03:02.08 | abrotman | you come to philly :) |
| 03:02.16 | rpc | i wouldn't mind that, Guerin :p |
| 03:02.16 | Guerin | abrotman: that won't bring you any spring |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | Guerin: it will if we trade places! |
| 03:02.41 | Guerin | abrotman: my wife would probably object to that |
| 03:02.46 | rpc | i will backup daily for free just to be in NZ :p |
| 03:02.47 | Guerin | trading places |
| 03:02.49 | abrotman | the cage .. or trading places ? |
| 03:02.50 | Guerin | not bunneh's cage |
| 03:02.51 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:02.59 | Guerin | we don't have a cage any more |
| 03:03.06 | Guerin | since we no longer have a bunneh |
| 03:03.21 | abrotman | tried to teach him how to ride a bike eh ? |
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| 03:05.11 | Guerin | l8rz |
| 03:05.21 | Guerin | nah |
| 03:05.32 | Guerin | gave him to a fat gay bunnykeeper |
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| 03:08.00 | jetscreamer | put the bunny down |
| 03:08.25 | rpc | does anyone have some experience with w3m? |
| 03:08.42 | rpc | i can't seem to be able to sort the strange problem with cookies being rejected due to wrong number of dots?! |
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| 03:09.31 | rpc | not sure what dots in cookies are and why would w3m object the number of them? |
| 03:09.37 | bgat | does anyone know why IF_OPENVPN is never getting set in /etc/network/if-up.d/openvpn? |
| 03:10.10 | _Gnea_ | bgat: it should? |
| 03:10.12 | dansushi | Guerin, do you know the website for eew? |
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| 03:10.38 | Guerin | dansushi: eew.de |
| 03:10.38 | bgat | _Gnea_: there's a test in that file: if [ -n "$IF_OPENVPN" ]; then $OPENVPN start $IF_OPENVPN; fi |
| 03:10.44 | dansushi | thanks |
| 03:10.46 | Guerin | or eew.ie |
| 03:10.49 | Guerin | or others |
| 03:10.54 | _Gnea_ | bgat: sarge? |
| 03:11.10 | bgat | _Gnea_: it seems as though IF_OPENVPN never gets set, hence ifup won't launch openvpn. sarge. |
| 03:11.34 | _Gnea_ | bgat: openvpn won't launch if there isn't a proper config file in place in /etc/openvpn/ |
| 03:12.05 | bgat | I have that. if I launch it from invoke-rc.d it works fine. I'm just trying to not launch it until I have an (intermittent) network. |
| 03:13.22 | dansushi | Guerin, eew.de has nothing to do with software like that |
| 03:13.41 | Guerin | dansushi: 'eew' is a personal expression of distaste |
| 03:13.49 | dansushi | i know |
| 03:13.54 | Guerin | but you asked for a website, so I gave you one |
| 03:13.55 | bgat | _Gnea_: any ideas? |
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| 03:13.58 | _Gnea_ | bgat: are you sure the config file is written properly? if a dev isn't set, then it isn't going to find an IF |
| 03:14.10 | dansushi | i thought you meant that there was an application called eew |
| 03:14.18 | _Gnea_ | bgat: also check your kernel configuration |
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| 03:14.25 | _Gnea_ | bgat: some things *have* to be modules |
| 03:15.07 | _Gnea_ | bgat: incidentally, are you running 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 03:15.15 | bgat | _Gnea_: would the fact that invoke-rc.d works suggest that my config file is fine? |
| 03:15.17 | bgat | 2.6 |
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| 03:16.09 | _Gnea_ | bgat: did you make any modifications to the initscript? |
| 03:16.30 | _Gnea_ | ttyfscker: enough. |
| 03:16.46 | ttyfscker | sorry |
| 03:16.48 | bgat | _Gnea_: I have "dev tun" in my openvpn.conf. Just saw it |
| 03:16.55 | ttyfscker | i was messin with some ppl in another chan |
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| 03:17.02 | ttyfscker | didnt even think bout these i was idling in |
| 03:17.27 | _Gnea_ | bgat: try "dev tun0" ... are you running a bridge? |
| 03:18.11 | _Gnea_ | ttyfscker: s'all good |
| 03:18.16 | bgat | _Gnea_: trying tun0 now. not running a bridge afaik. |
| 03:18.29 | bgat | _Gnea_: (my system has one ethernet port) |
| 03:18.46 | _Gnea_ | heh ok |
| 03:19.25 | _Gnea_ | i go to start it and the monitor goes into standby mode |
| 03:20.02 | _Gnea_ | NVRM: Xid (0003:00): 16, Head 00000001 Count 00000000 |
| 03:20.04 | _Gnea_ | hrm |
| 03:21.31 | _Gnea_ | ack! 4087 tty7 RLs+ 13:12 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm |
| 03:21.37 | _Gnea_ | kill -9 4087 |
| 03:21.39 | _Gnea_ | hardlock. |
| 03:21.52 | bgat | ouch |
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| 03:22.14 | _Gnea_ | it was working just fine 2 days ago |
| 03:22.24 | _Gnea_ | hasn't been hooked up to a network either until an hour ago |
| 03:22.33 | nono31 | at linux install time it ask for a domain name, where is this information stored? i think I did not set a domain at the time |
| 03:22.41 | beardy | An question about openvpn; does the server generate all certs and keys, and then distribute a copy of the clients key/cert to each client, or is something done by the client himself? |
| 03:23.10 | _Gnea_ | beardy: read the openvpn docs for keys/certs |
| 03:23.16 | simonrvn | nono31: /etc/sysctl.conf maybe |
| 03:23.19 | _Gnea_ | beardy: it clearly states how the process is done |
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| 03:24.58 | _Gnea_ | beardy: http://openvpn.net/howto.html#pki |
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| 03:27.12 | yanmorin | yeah, with the article on ftp, I think about using strace to debug proftpd, and then I found a configuration on a forum to make it works |
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| 03:28.35 | yanmorin | DelayEngine off <-- without that, the server connection (passive mode) always segfault |
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| 03:29.39 | beardy | _Gnea_: thanks |
| 03:29.57 | k0rd | so what do you guys think, Debian a good first linux distro? |
| 03:30.19 | Guerin | k0rd: depends if you want to learn or play games |
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| 03:30.45 | k0rd | Trying to learn linux |
| 03:31.21 | yanmorin | the kernel? |
| 03:31.53 | k0rd | just linux in general |
| 03:31.56 | k0rd | if you're asking me |
| 03:32.07 | Giganotosaurus | k0rd: I was about to say it depends what you're doing - but if you're wanting to learn a bit, play a bit, experiment a bit - it's an ideal choice. |
| 03:33.31 | k0rd | Yeah, I have friends who swear by it... |
| 03:33.33 | beardy | _Gnea_: I have been reading that page, briefly, but saw what I wanted to know now, think I'll take a short break.. :) |
| 03:33.36 | k0rd | thats why I was kind of looking this way |
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| 03:34.42 | Guerin | k0rd: debian's a good way to learn, because it doesn't make many decisions for you |
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| 03:36.45 | k0rd | so it'd be a good OS to get experience with? |
| 03:36.46 | VistaL | HI!!!! |
| 03:36.57 | VistaL | hey k0rd!!! MY FRIEND<3<3<3<3<3 |
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| 03:37.38 | k0rd | lol |
| 03:37.44 | VistaL | DEBIAN ONLY FOR LEET PEOPLE HAXOR LIKE ME, JOIN MY HAX CREW HTTP://WWW.DJHAXCREW.KAZHAHR.RO |
| 03:37.49 | amphi | k0rd: it'll spoil you for other distros |
| 03:38.07 | VistaL | amphi HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHH ahahahh ahhaha LOLL ROFL, you make me so loug |
| 03:38.21 | amphi | VistaL: wtf? |
| 03:38.54 | nocti | how do i add a user to sudoers list? |
| 03:38.56 | VistaL | WANna be friend ???=)=)=)=)=) |
| 03:39.00 | Guerin | nocti: man sudoers |
| 03:39.07 | nocti | ok |
| 03:39.15 | nono31 | simonrvn: what is the token for the domain? |
| 03:39.20 | VistaL | i want tO inSTaLl DeBiAN, amphi CaN y O U HeLP ME pleaseEE ? |
| 03:39.21 | Guerin | nocti: sudo is one thing you should NEVER use if you don't know how it works; read that doc from start to finish |
| 03:39.21 | Halitherses | which package do i need to get my usb thumb dribe to work? |
| 03:39.22 | nono31 | there is no domain there |
| 03:39.31 | Guerin | !ops please barbecuse VistaL |
| 03:39.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: please barbecuse VistaL |
| 03:39.33 | nocti | ok Guerin |
| 03:39.46 | Guerin | Halitherses: should work by default. |
| 03:39.47 | LoRez | VistaL: helldragon? |
| 03:39.54 | Guerin | Halitherses: you may need to modprobe usb-storage |
| 03:39.58 | VistaL | !ops sucker Guerin |
| 03:39.58 | Halitherses | I am using etch |
| 03:39.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: vistal complains about: sucker Guerin |
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| 03:40.28 | VistaL | SUCKER HAHAHAHA OWNED! |
| 03:40.31 | Guerin | that was effective |
| 03:40.41 | beardy | That was. |
| 03:40.42 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:40.45 | Guerin | that was |
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| 03:41.10 | Halitherses | Guerin, mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 03:41.41 | Guerin | Halitherses: try plugging out and back in |
| 03:41.45 | Guerin | Halitherses: i get this occasionally |
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| 03:42.10 | Guerin | ok, so what's the currently-accepted method to get software suspendto-disk working these days? |
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| 03:42.26 | Guerin | i note the suspend2 kernel patches aren't in the repo any more, are they in mainline? |
| 03:42.46 | Halitherses | Guerin, thanks, all good now. |
| 03:42.52 | Guerin | Halitherses: nice. |
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| 03:43.06 | enyawix | how can i findout why hardwarwe is not stable? |
| 03:43.23 | mhall | f0ck I am so addicted to my KVM switch at work I tried to use the hotkey on my home machine. heh. |
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| 03:43.34 | Guerin | enyawix: maybe you need to put some paperunder one corner |
| 03:43.54 | enyawix | lol |
| 03:44.14 | Guerin | enyawix: or maybe you need to describe what you mean so I don't imagine a wobbly table |
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| 03:44.53 | Bhavesh | now i get it! :) |
| 03:45.01 | enyawix | ok system will hang if i use x :(? |
| 03:45.03 | Bhavesh | mhall: i have kvm at home, not at work ( well on servers) |
| 03:45.21 | enyawix | console is fine |
| 03:46.01 | Bhavesh | enyawix: they/we will need more information, which version of X? which video card? which module/driver? what do you mean by 'it will hang?' |
| 03:46.10 | Guerin | enyawix: are you sure it's a hardware thing, not a kernel thing? Any idea what causes it? |
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| 03:46.31 | Guerin | !suspend2 |
| 03:46.32 | dpkg | i guess suspend2 is known as Software Suspend 2 and lets you suspend your Notebook to diskrum within half a minute. (and come back) it is found at suspend2.net) Thanks Nigel for making it such a good working peace :-) |
| 03:46.53 | nono31 | at linux install time it ask for a domain name, where is this information stored? i think I did not set a domain at the time |
| 03:47.08 | enyawix | ok i will reboot into a differant kernel and see what happens |
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| 03:50.56 | hardbop200 | so what are *the* cool p2p programs right now. I'm using Limewire, and I dunno...just doesn't seem cool to me. |
| 03:51.02 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:51.05 | Guerin | !limewire |
| 03:51.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, limewire is better known as lamewire - yet another braindead java p2p client. Not in debian. see http://www.limewire.com! GPL! |
| 03:51.21 | Guerin | hardbop200: all the kool kids are using bittorrent |
| 03:51.44 | chemaja | feel that torrent power.... WHOOSSSSH |
| 03:51.51 | hardbop200 | so giFT (something I know nothing about) and the like are gone? |
| 03:52.10 | hardbop200 | monkey, donkey, sheep, I don't know...so many apps |
| 03:52.55 | Guerin | who cares? |
| 03:53.00 | hardbop200 | Guerin: so bittorrent it is. |
| 03:53.02 | Guerin | they've all been shit anyway |
| 03:53.09 | Guerin | i mean |
| 03:53.21 | hardbop200 | I guess that's what I'm asking: all those apps, are they shit? |
| 03:53.28 | Guerin | kazaa was usable in 2000 or so when it was the only game in town |
| 03:53.35 | Guerin | yeah, pretty much |
| 03:54.06 | hardbop200 | okay then I have my answer. onward to the torrent sites! thanks all. b/t/w, you using the plain-ole bittorrent-curses? |
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| 03:54.42 | k0rd | So I think i'm installing Debian, printing out a tutorial on dual-booting right now |
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| 03:59.21 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 04:00.42 | JuNiOx | hello |
| 04:01.15 | Fox_1_ | people for ftp server i need that only some address can download files, but others can see them. how can i do that? |
| 04:01.36 | SerajewelKS | Fox_1_: authentication |
| 04:01.41 | Fox_1_ | no |
| 04:01.49 | Fox_1_ | it's anoymous server |
| 04:01.56 | Fox_1_ | why i need that |
| 04:01.58 | _Gnea_ | anonymous ftp is wrong. |
| 04:02.13 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: it's the only way with ftp. |
| 04:02.34 | SerajewelKS | Fox_1_: so you want it so that only some ip addresses can download... but others can see that they exist? |
| 04:03.11 | Fox_1_ | i'm putting ftp mirrors in my server and want that only people in my country has access to download them |
| 04:03.24 | _Gnea_ | so setup a firewall |
| 04:04.05 | Fox_1_ | i was think about that, but i want to know can i do that with ftp server. |
| 04:04.33 | _Gnea_ | you can either setup authentication, or you can firewall out the rest of the world. |
| 04:04.44 | SerajewelKS | i want to set up a virtual linux environment that has bridged access to my LAN. what would be the most painless way to go about that? UML? xen? |
| 04:05.02 | SerajewelKS | Fox_1_: use iptables |
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| 04:05.25 | _Gnea_ | SerajewelKS: xen, although i haven't gotten it to setup and run right yet - then again, i've been to busy to care |
| 04:05.28 | Fox_1_ | ok, with firewall, but in that case others couldn't see my ftp server |
| 04:05.41 | _Gnea_ | there you have it |
| 04:05.42 | SerajewelKS | Fox_1_: what do you care |
| 04:05.59 | ahlfors | Fox_1_, in other news, can you recommend a good anonymous proxy in your home country that i can use to bypass your firewall? |
| 04:06.05 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: if the ftp server is only serving those files, then why would you want the rest of the world to see? |
| 04:06.08 | SerajewelKS | Fox_1_: do you like teasing people.. "here's my ftp mirror but you'll have to move if you want to get to it"? |
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| 04:06.48 | SerajewelKS | _Gnea_: hmm.. my only problem with xen is that it requires a nonstandard kernel |
| 04:06.53 | Fox_1_ | look here http://www.exim.org/mirmon/ftp_mirrors.html |
| 04:07.14 | SerajewelKS | _Gnea_: and i'm not sure how well my nonfree nvidia drivers will do with it |
| 04:07.21 | Fox_1_ | it's check is my server is up, how i don't know |
| 04:07.37 | Fox_1_ | so i think it must has a permission to see |
| 04:07.53 | linuxmigration | nono31: should be /etc/host(?:\.conf|s) i think |
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| 04:08.02 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: with iptables, you can tell it which hosts to allow/disallow |
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| 04:08.19 | Fox_1_ | _Gnea_: i know |
| 04:08.42 | Fox_1_ | ok, i'll do it with iptables |
| 04:08.59 | e1ven | Is there any way to get Apache2 working? When trying to install Apache2-common, I get the error- apache2-common: Depends: apache2-utils (= 2.0.55-4.1) but 2.2.3-2 is to be installed |
| 04:08.59 | _Gnea_ | :) |
| 04:09.06 | e1ven | Am I doing something idiodic? |
| 04:09.18 | Avochelm | Fox_1_, there's a list somewhere that shows which regions of the world have what IPs... like what ranges APNIC has, etc. |
| 04:09.25 | _Gnea_ | e1ven: did you apt-get update first? |
| 04:09.30 | Avochelm | IANA maintains them |
| 04:10.04 | e1ven | _Gnea_: I realized that after I posted the second line ;) It looks like it was fixed earlier today. |
| 04:10.10 | linuxmigration | SerajewelKS: iirc you can give a domu direct low-level access to particular devs |
| 04:10.17 | Fox_1_ | one more question. does someone know the program like WhatsUp under linux? |
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| 04:10.41 | Fox_1_ | Avochelm: i have my country's IP addresses, thanks |
| 04:10.43 | SerajewelKS | linuxmigration: i also don't like rebooting a lot while trying to fix stuff, that's probably why too =) |
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| 04:12.20 | nono31 | linuxmigration: what should I put there to use a domain like "mydomain.com" ? |
| 04:12.41 | SerajewelKS | i could also go the qemu/vmware route... |
| 04:13.04 | _Gnea_ | Fox_1_: there was tkined/scotty, but the development on it was halted years ago, and so it's unusable now |
| 04:13.21 | linuxmigration | nono31: you left it blank the first time around? |
| 04:13.35 | nono31 | linuxmigration: yeap |
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| 04:14.29 | linuxmigration | nono31: idk then ;) |
| 04:14.56 | Fox_1_ | ok thanks |
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| 04:17.41 | Zweideutig | Where are the X11 development packages> |
| 04:17.59 | Zweideutig | s/packages>/packages/ |
| 04:18.41 | Zweideutig | s\s/packages>/packages/\s/packages>/packages?/\ |
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| 04:18.53 | ahlfors | What is the preferred way to set kernel module parameters? |
| 04:18.53 | Zweideutig | I need Xlib. |
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| 04:19.18 | Zweideutig | Otherwise I can't compile anything that includes X11/Xlib.h. |
| 04:19.38 | Zweideutig | Why doesn't Debian install the X11 development packages by default? |
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| 04:21.34 | beardy | _Gnea_: But, to be able to revoke client certificates, I have to save them on the server, as well as transfering them to the clients, even if the howto says that only the clients need their cert and key? |
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| 04:22.22 | Zweideutig | Where do I get the header files for X11? |
| 04:22.31 | _Gnea_ | beardy: basically, yeah |
| 04:22.47 | _Gnea_ | Zweideutig: look for the same packagename but followed by -dev |
| 04:22.48 | beardy | Zweideutig: <packagename>-dev ? |
| 04:23.24 | beardy | _Gnea_: I should keep both the client certificate, and their key? |
| 04:23.53 | beardy | Guerin: I mean, to do it the best way, I _can_ of course do as I like.. |
| 04:23.53 | _Gnea_ | beardy: generate it on the serverside, then securely transfer to the client(s) |
| 04:24.16 | beardy | _Gnea_: That's what I have planned and am about to do yes. |
| 04:24.40 | Zweideutig | I did apt-get install libx11-dev. |
| 04:25.20 | _Gnea_ | Zweideutig: there maybe more... |
| 04:25.21 | Zweideutig | But it says libx11-dev: Depends: xlibx-static-dev but it is not going to be installed E: broken packages |
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| 04:26.04 | Seanfeld | hi wrong room but the other rooms are kinda dead right now so I'm hoping someone here may have gone through this. Anyone know how to get postfix or courier to point to the different dir structures for hostname and virtual domains? |
| 04:26.27 | beardy | channel |
| 04:26.49 | Zweideutig | Seanfeld: Try #postfix |
| 04:27.13 | _Gnea_ | that's like walking into breuggers and ordering a venti |
| 04:27.41 | Seanfeld | sorry no one in there right now and been working on it all day just grabbing at straws |
| 04:28.13 | _Gnea_ | Seanfeld: have you tried searching for different postfix configs on google? |
| 04:28.14 | beardy | Seanfeld: No one in there as in no one in there, or are they just not answering? |
| 04:29.19 | SerajewelKS | remind me not to umount /dev/shm while using resolvconf |
| 04:29.41 | Seanfeld | Beardy: there are people there but i've been in there all day and there hasn't been any talk for a couple hours now |
| 04:30.04 | beardy | Seanfeld: Ok, but you have asked them? So they can answer when they wake up? |
| 04:30.16 | beardy | Seanfeld: And stay in there. |
| 04:30.22 | Seanfeld | perhaps |
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| 04:31.21 | Zweideutig | WTF, apt just uninstalled xdm and xserver after I installed the libx11-dev package. |
| 04:31.48 | beardy | Zweideutig: What version of Debian? |
| 04:32.08 | Zweideutig | Debian Sarge 3.1 IIRC |
| 04:32.13 | Zweideutig | It might by 3.0. |
| 04:32.27 | Zweideutig | I am using xorg. |
| 04:32.27 | beardy | Zweideutig: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:32.40 | Zweideutig | 3.1 |
| 04:33.00 | beardy | Zweideutig: You are using a backport or mixing packages then. |
| 04:33.24 | beardy | Zweideutig: of xorg |
| 04:33.29 | Zweideutig | Probably. |
| 04:33.36 | beardy | You don't know? |
| 04:34.00 | ahlfors | hdparm is irrelevant for SATA disks, right? |
| 04:34.00 | Zweideutig | I have been rather careless adding packages and playing with sources.list. |
| 04:34.13 | beardy | ahlfors: Since they are handled like SCSI disks (?) I'd guess so. |
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| 04:35.16 | beardy | ahlfors: Guess with a very high chance of success, in this case. |
| 04:36.41 | ahlfors | beardy, kthx |
| 04:37.42 | beardy | ahlfors: You could try using hdparm on one, but I don't know what can happen, so it's not a good idea.. |
| 04:37.57 | beardy | s/can/could |
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| 04:38.37 | Zweideutig | Sometimes when I boot up my file system is corrupted or MBR is corrupted. :\ |
| 04:38.55 | Zweideutig | Reinstalling Debian fixes the problem temporarily. |
| 04:39.04 | beardy | Zweideutig: Which filesystem? |
| 04:39.14 | Zweideutig | The default. |
| 04:39.17 | beardy | Zweideutig: Is the machine dualbooting? |
| 04:39.19 | Zweideutig | ext3 |
| 04:39.22 | Zweideutig | No. |
| 04:39.55 | beardy | Zweideutig: No idea then, with the information provided.. |
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| 04:40.54 | Zweideutig | One of the pins got ripped off of the IDE connector. |
| 04:41.11 | Zweideutig | But I think it is fixed. |
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| 04:53.39 | marc | how can I get a list of my currently installed packages so I can "duplicate" my system into another system? |
| 04:54.17 | Guerin | hm, what's the point of suspend2-userui when kernel-patch-suspend2 is no longer in the repo? |
| 04:54.34 | Guerin | is it in the stock kernel now? Doesn't look like it. |
| 04:54.42 | marc | Guerin: just even thinking about getting suspedn tow ork on linux gives me the chills |
| 04:54.47 | Guerin | marc: dpkg --get-selections |
| 04:55.08 | Guerin | marc: then pipe the output into dpkg --set-selections on the nex box |
| 04:55.24 | Guerin | marc: oh, suspend2 works fine, i just don't want to have to use a vanilla kernel |
| 04:55.24 | marc | Guerin: ok. I remember seeing a line like that in the Debian Reference, I just cant find it |
| 04:56.24 | marc | Guerin: can I use --admindir=/mnt/myoldhd/var/lib/dpkg ? |
| 04:57.04 | marc | I just got his 60gb maxtor hard drive. Of course I am not putting any important data on it because of the horror stories I heard about Maxtor |
| 04:57.06 | landexem | How do I add a MySQL user? |
| 04:57.17 | marc | landexem: mysql user add, google |
| 04:57.23 | marc | landexem: #mysql |
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| 04:57.39 | marc | landexem: mysql manual 5.9.2 |
| 04:57.40 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 04:57.50 | Guerin | marc: don't see why not |
| 04:58.08 | marc | Guerin: thank you brother. Amen |
| 04:58.29 | Guerin | salaam aleikum |
| 04:58.30 | tengulre | how to bind multi IP address on one eth device? |
| 04:58.45 | marc | man 5 interfaces |
| 04:59.55 | tengulre | marc: I could not found anything . |
| 05:00.06 | tengulre | can you give me a URL? |
| 05:00.21 | AM|R | how to install exwidnwos |
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| 05:01.24 | chemaja | AM|R: aptitude install xorg |
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| 05:01.37 | marc | tengulre: I give you an U.. I give you an R, I give you an L, U-R-L, la la la!! yeah!!1! |
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| 05:01.48 | tengulre | :( |
| 05:01.52 | tengulre | s/a/an |
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| 05:03.13 | e1ven | _Gnea_, After doing an apt-get update, and apt-get dist-update, I'm still getting the "apache2-common: Depends: apache2-utils (= " error. |
| 05:03.35 | e1ven | " apache2-common: Depends: apache2-utils (= 2.0.55-4.1) but 2.2.3-2 is to be installed" |
| 05:04.37 | tengulre | marc: hi |
| 05:05.13 | tengulre | marc: I could not found anything in 'man 5 interfaces', can u give me detail messages? |
| 05:05.24 | tengulre | s/detail/more detail |
| 05:06.40 | tengulre | marc: are you here? |
| 05:06.48 | tengulre | marc: .... hello!!! |
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| 05:08.46 | tengulre | :( |
| 05:08.48 | tengulre | :) |
| 05:09.07 | tengulre | Loading firewall ... ...OK! |
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| 05:18.35 | icwiener | Hi, can anyone tell me how aptitude and apt-get resolve hostnames? Problem is, that they don't do it anymore but ping still can resolve hostnames. |
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| 05:24.39 | JochenA | where does a system store its hostname apart from /etc/hostname? |
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| 05:25.35 | JochenA | I just setup a debian image with debootstrap and then chrooting into it. Now the hostsystem says its hostname is the one of the new system I set up. |
| 05:25.43 | JochenA | /etc/hostname still contains the old one |
| 05:26.25 | SubStack | try running `hostname foo` |
| 05:27.06 | JochenA | indeed |
| 05:27.22 | JochenA | Thanks! But what exactly does the command do? |
| 05:27.32 | JochenA | i.e. where does it store the info? |
| 05:27.44 | marc | hosts |
| 05:27.47 | marc | /etc/hosts |
| 05:27.56 | marc | man 5 hosts JochenA |
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| 05:30.07 | icwiener | JochenA: I guess in /proc/sys/kernel/hostname |
| 05:30.53 | icwiener | JochenA: And the command 'hostname' reads /etc/hostname to set it. So editing the file alone won't work (as you just saw) :D |
| 05:31.26 | JochenA | icwiener: Makes sense. I just read that /etc/hostname is just used to set it. I've been thinking for almost ten years thats the live storage place :( |
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| 05:33.34 | icwiener | And nobody here rinnung Sid and having trouble with aptitude not being able to resolve hostnames? |
| 05:33.46 | icwiener | s/rinnung/running/ |
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| 05:40.14 | damejiar | hey, does anybody knows about configuring a SD Card reader in Etch, in a Dell laptop? |
| 05:40.23 | pohwom | Get:1 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages [403kB] |
| 05:40.23 | pohwom | Get:2 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Release [110B] |
| 05:40.27 | pohwom | is this the new debian? |
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| 05:41.04 | linuxmigration | pohwom: that's the current stable release |
| 05:41.15 | tuv | sarge |
| 05:41.20 | pohwom | linuxmigration: yeah, im sayin, r3 or something? |
| 05:41.32 | linuxmigration | idk |
| 05:41.38 | pohwom | Fetched 42.4MB in 1m14s (570kB/s) |
| 05:41.55 | pohwom | tuv: is it r3? |
| 05:42.15 | tuv | pohwom, yes.. see the topic |
| 05:42.24 | tuv | 3.1r3 |
| 05:42.32 | pohwom | ic |
| 05:43.03 | pohwom | everything is being replaced |
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| 05:59.14 | aizak | which is the most popular gui based cd writing program in debian. xcdroast? I want it for a total newbie user. |
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| 06:00.25 | linuxmigration | aizak: popcon? |
| 06:00.35 | linuxmigration | popcon |
| 06:00.51 | linuxmigration | ~popcon |
| 06:00.52 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:01.17 | nocti | how do i upgrade everything including security fixes, etc... apt-get upgrade? |
| 06:01.41 | linuxmigration | apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:02.25 | nocti | linuxmigration: is dist-upgrade needed if im only staying on sarge? |
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| 06:03.10 | linuxmigration | i don't know what upgrade does. i know dist-upgrade will work. |
| 06:03.12 | viyyer | isthere apython2.5backport for sarge somewhere?? |
| 06:03.15 | sep | nocti, usualy not, |
| 06:03.33 | phorce1 | "upgrade" shuold do fine. Use "dist-upgrade" if you get massages like "The following packages have been held back..." |
| 06:04.07 | linuxmigration | viyyer: tried the 'official' backports? |
| 06:04.10 | aizak | linuxmigration: ok.. let me try that |
| 06:04.14 | sep | linuxmigration, dist-upgrade can pull in additional dependencies if needed. something that's very rare in security upgrades |
| 06:04.15 | nocti | ok. thanks sep, linuxmigration. |
| 06:04.32 | viyyer | linuxmigration, can't see in backports.org |
| 06:04.58 | linuxmigration | sep: he said including. i don't think he only wanted security updates. |
| 06:05.21 | sep | linuxmigration, he said he was staying on sarge |
| 06:05.35 | sep | there is nothing else then security upgrades there. |
| 06:05.48 | linuxmigration | ahh, yeah ;) |
| 06:06.08 | viyyer | I think the best bet would be to compile python2.5 in unstable |
| 06:07.15 | tengulre | how to know my machine support SMP? |
| 06:08.12 | streuner | tengulre: your machine or debian? |
| 06:08.32 | tengulre | streuner: debian, /proc/cpuinfo? |
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| 06:08.41 | xevious | er |
| 06:08.48 | xevious | which US mirror stays most up to date? |
| 06:09.05 | xevious | http.us.debian.org isn't working for me |
| 06:09.05 | linuxmigration | tengulre: i think it should be in uname -a |
| 06:09.13 | phorce1 | So, what's the most full featured, but STABLE web browser for X? FireFox running on my Etch machine has got a BAD habit of randomly closing when it encounters javascript and/or "new" Flash (8.x and 9.x) files. |
| 06:09.21 | streuner | tengulre: /proc is always not a bad idea, (cat /proc/cpuinfo) should tell you |
| 06:09.31 | tengulre | linuxmigration: Linux asterisk 2.6.16 #3 SMP PREEMPT Tue Oct 10 10:11:49 CST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:09.33 | phorce1 | xevious: just kill and restart the process a few times |
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| 06:10.04 | streuner | tengulre: uname tell you what kernel you use |
| 06:10.04 | phorce1 | xevious: http.us.debian.org is a "round robin" -- it hits many mirrors |
| 06:10.06 | simonrvn | mozilla, konqueror, galeon |
| 06:10.24 | linuxmigration | phorce1: the flash crashes are caused by a chain reaction from flash itself crashing in most situations |
| 06:10.58 | tengulre | streuner: I want to which option in /proc/cpuinfo mean that this kernel support SMP? |
| 06:11.10 | simonrvn | i thought it might be flash, at least, i didn't rule out the possibility |
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| 06:11.33 | simonrvn | tengulre: if you see a cpu#1 then that's the 2nd one |
| 06:11.41 | linuxmigration | phorce1: which firefox version? |
| 06:11.41 | xevious | thanks phorcel |
| 06:11.45 | phorce1 | linuxmigration: that sucks. Adobe sucks for buying MacroMedia then putting new linux versions on indefinite hold |
| 06:11.48 | xevious | phorce1:D |
| 06:12.08 | tengulre | simonrvn: two processors. |
| 06:12.12 | linuxmigration | phorce1: indefinite hold? |
| 06:12.12 | simonrvn | phorce1: macromedia was doing that anyway. and adobe has sucked since a long time |
| 06:12.21 | phorce1 | linuxmigration: 1.5.0.7 |
| 06:12.32 | simonrvn | tengulre: yes, i know, i was telling you how to know it |
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| 06:13.39 | tengulre | simonrvn: how to known? |
| 06:13.50 | streuner | tengulre: so it seems its ok (kernel), what's the real question then? |
| 06:13.57 | phorce1 | linuxmigration: The article is at my office and I'm at home. Someone way up made comments that linux ports were not high on the priority list. Like linux ports of other Adobe software direct from them. |
| 06:14.02 | wladsto1 | anyone ever installed mailman in debian ?? Looks like apt-get is broken ... I'm trying to install it from 5 hours ago .. and nothing X( |
| 06:14.05 | streuner | telgulre: he already told you, scroll up |
| 06:14.15 | streuner | tengulre: ^^^ |
| 06:14.19 | tengulre | :( |
| 06:14.38 | wols | wladsto1: a bit more info would be nice... |
| 06:14.49 | wols | and as for "broken": are you using sid? |
| 06:15.00 | simonrvn | tengulre: if you see 2 entries for the cpus then you know |
| 06:15.01 | phorce1 | simonrvn: Macromedia at least tried to stay only one version behind -- Adobe is currently 2 behind |
| 06:15.02 | wladsto1 | wols: i've done apt-get install mailman |
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| 06:15.12 | simonrvn | wladsto1: Works Here (tm) |
| 06:15.35 | wladsto1 | simonrvn: HOW did you do it ?? PLEASE tell me!! :) |
| 06:15.38 | phorce1 | simonrvn: (and the plugin that ships with Firefox if *5* versions behind) |
| 06:15.57 | tengulre | simonrvn: I only want to know which flags's mean is SMP in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 06:15.57 | simonrvn | apt-get install mailman |
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| 06:16.07 | wladsto1 | and them .... ? |
| 06:16.32 | streuner | tengulre: processor : 0 |
| 06:16.34 | simonrvn | tengulre: there is no cpu FLAG to show that. it's not done that way. re-read what we said to you, carefully |
| 06:16.49 | simonrvn | them who? |
| 06:16.58 | streuner | tengulre: in this case *1* CPU |
| 06:17.19 | wladsto1 | simonrvn: then, what did you do for it to work ? |
| 06:17.20 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.25 | wols | wladsto1: that is no info. what debian are you running, what are the error messages, etc |
| 06:17.44 | karsten | Well, that was supposed to be discreet. OT: Ray Noorda's shut down for the last time. |
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| 06:17.58 | simonrvn | wladsto1: i configured mailman |
| 06:18.03 | karsten | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/10/ray_noorda_obituary/ |
| 06:18.21 | wols | simonrvn: in sid python is/was broken lately and mailman depends on it. my guess |
| 06:18.22 | simonrvn | there is no special "trick" to this |
| 06:18.24 | wladsto1 | wols: i get no error message - I can install and even add mail lists. And they work. The problem is that I can't make is accessible at lists.domain.org |
| 06:18.27 | tengulre | streuner,simonrvn: thanks |
| 06:18.35 | simonrvn | wols: news to me :) |
| 06:18.43 | simonrvn | tengulre: ok :) |
| 06:18.44 | wols | simonrvn: python 2.5 IIRC |
| 06:19.07 | wols | wladsto1: list.domain.org is a DNS entry. and you STILL haven't told us what the error is |
| 06:19.32 | linuxmigration | phorce1: firefox doesn't come with a flash plugin |
| 06:19.34 | simonrvn | wols: if i see breakage, or potential breakage, it's automatic for me to fix it, and move on... i don't even think about it much |
| 06:19.37 | wols | karsten: one word: canopy |
| 06:19.40 | wladsto1 | simonrvn: how/where did you find out how to make it work ? been googling "install mailman debian" all over the time ... nothing they way works for me ... |
| 06:19.53 | karsten | wols: yeah. |
| 06:20.12 | simonrvn | wladsto1: it's not rocket science. how about you tell us what's going on instead of googling all over the place |
| 06:20.19 | simonrvn | !tell wladsto1 -about ask |
| 06:20.20 | phorce1 | linuxmigration: OK, the plugin tat installs when one loads FireFox onto a debian box with apt-get |
| 06:20.24 | simonrvn | !tell wladsto1 -about smart questions |
| 06:20.32 | simonrvn | that should help you to help us |
| 06:20.39 | simonrvn | so we can help you ;) |
| 06:21.09 | karsten | wols: /join #debian-offtopic to discuss. |
| 06:21.10 | Guerin | because #debian is Here To Help |
| 06:21.27 | linuxmigration | phorce1: that's prolly a gpl clone, not from adobe |
| 06:21.31 | karsten | Guerin: ... whether you want it to or not. |
| 06:21.38 | wols | phorce1: is it gnash? |
| 06:21.48 | phorce1 | linuxmigration: libflash-mozplugin.so -- Flash Movie player Version 0.4.12 compatible with Shockwave Flash 4.0 |
| 06:21.51 | simonrvn | Guerin: hehe |
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| 06:22.15 | simonrvn | phorce1: uh, that doesn't mean it's distributed with some moz thing |
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| 06:22.21 | wols | phorce1: windows is at version 8 of flash right now from macromedia |
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| 06:23.04 | phorce1 | wols: version 9 I think now. They jumped 2 versions really fast |
| 06:23.19 | hburchey | Is there an easy way to get the IP address for a hostname without having to use a regex? |
| 06:23.20 | wladsto1 | thanks! :) my question is, where do I have to point my virtualserver lists.domain.org , so it points to the mailman admin page ? |
| 06:23.29 | wols | phorce1: doesn't matter. the latest you can get is non free flash 7 or so from macromedia |
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| 06:23.45 | wols | no matter what, there is no way to display flash8/9 without WINE under linux |
| 06:24.06 | wols | macromedia promised a new plugin early next year, that's it afaik |
| 06:24.17 | phorce1 | simonrvn: I should have looked and specified that the "GPL flash player for FireFox is 5 versions behind" |
| 06:24.34 | simonrvn | wladsto1: see the Defaults.py file, located in /var/lib/mailman somewhere, and copy the settings you want to /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py, you'll want to look at : |
| 06:24.58 | simonrvn | wladsto1: DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST |
| 06:25.26 | simonrvn | phorce1: oh i see |
| 06:25.38 | simonrvn | anyway, back to building this thing |
| 06:26.31 | phorce1 | I guess I'll grab 7 and see if that stops at least some of the crashes. Right now if I know I'm going to hit sites with a lot of js/flash I just use the remote desktop tool to connect to a WinBox on the network and use FireFox/Windows. |
| 06:28.26 | linuxmigration | phorce1: you get the same kind of crashes with java |
| 06:28.33 | linuxmigration | on windows too |
| 06:29.17 | phorce1 | linuxmigration: Doesn't happen as often though |
| 06:29.22 | simonrvn | wladsto1: see how easy it is once you say what you want? :) |
| 06:29.40 | wladsto1 | simonrvn: way better :) |
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| 06:30.06 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:30.07 | linuxmigration | phorce1: reproducible crossplatform java crash: chat.dreamhost.com |
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| 06:30.27 | eletrik | hmm |
| 06:30.32 | eletrik | so Debian is just a bash cmd? |
| 06:30.36 | eletrik | no desktop enviornment? |
| 06:30.49 | linuxmigration | huh? |
| 06:30.54 | linuxmigration | how did you install? |
| 06:31.15 | eletrik | i386 basic package |
| 06:31.46 | eletrik | 3.1 |
| 06:31.49 | phorce1 | linuxmigration: I hate to admit it openly but I have a MySpace account to keep in touch with some VW enthusiasts overseas. MySpace crashes the linux version after between 2 and 10 page views. On Windows I can flip around all night and only get a crash on pages where people have gotten really stupid with <div> overlays and 32.7 auto-start movies at the same time. |
| 06:32.57 | phorce1 | linuxmigration: In Linux it's almost a given that if I move away from my "home page" on MySpace the browser will go away within 60 seconds. |
| 06:32.59 | linuxmigration | phorce1: and with the corresponding flash version for windows? |
| 06:33.23 | simonrvn | eletrik: install x and whatever else you want. i think you mean console-based. um all the linuxen have consoles |
| 06:33.46 | eletrik | it takes me to the bash cmd when I boot the OS |
| 06:33.49 | eletrik | so Idk...? |
| 06:33.55 | eletrik | I login as root and it takes me to the cmd |
| 06:34.24 | simonrvn | so you want gdm or something? install it |
| 06:34.41 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 06:34.41 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 06:34.46 | phorce1 | linuxmigration: I went as far as Flash8 on Windows. Adobe appears to be coding *FOR* MySpace right now. When MySpace announces new "features" it's almost always something in Flash that appears to have been writtem primarily for their layout. |
| 06:34.58 | simonrvn | eew |
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| 06:35.35 | eletrik | I tried apt-get but it just kept trying to get it from E:\ and I selected HTTP when it asked in the install |
| 06:36.02 | wladsto1 | simonrvn: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST should point to my email server ? |
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| 06:36.24 | linuxmigration | eletrik: E:\ ? there is no E:\ in linux |
| 06:36.26 | phorce1 | eletrik: You'll need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:37.04 | phorce1 | (and linuxmigration is right -- why does it say "E:\"?) |
| 06:37.40 | simonrvn | wladsto1: well, what i did is create a sub-domain for my lists, then used that sub-dom. for that setting, and configured my MTA to route e-mail for that - there's various config bits on the web you can find to set up your MTA for it |
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| 06:38.00 | simonrvn | wladsto1: i also used it to access the web interface |
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| 06:38.15 | simonrvn | wladsto1: sorry, "it" is the sub-dom i made |
| 06:38.28 | phorce1 | eletrik: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 06:39.31 | wladsto1 | simonrvn: so, If I want to use the subdomain only for web access, I can leave the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST untouched, right ? |
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| 06:41.17 | simonrvn | wladsto1: you'll need to set to your MTA's FQDN at least |
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| 06:41.43 | Guerin | eletrik: flash is offtopic here. |
| 06:43.21 | karsten | !tell eletrik about fundamentals |
| 06:43.27 | karsten | eletrik: Go read a book or three. |
| 06:44.48 | wladsto1 | simonrvn: ok. Considering that the email part of the list is already working, can this be skipped ? I think I've already managed to setup the mail server ... I don't have technical expertise enought to do all these advanced stuff. The only think I want is to have my list working ... (what kills me of anger is to know that on cPanel this setting could be done in less than 10 seconds!!) |
| 06:46.15 | Guerin | fucking cpanel |
| 06:46.18 | SerajewelKS | argh |
| 06:46.25 | Guerin | cpanel breaks shit like make servers |
| 06:46.33 | Guerin | err, mail servers |
| 06:46.38 | wladsto1 | i I could afford it... |
| 06:46.42 | wladsto1 | if |
| 06:47.09 | Guerin | do it once, do it right, and you won't ever have to worry about it again |
| 06:47.19 | SerajewelKS | when i try inside of a UML session to mount a host folder that is a fuse filesystem, UML panics |
| 06:47.24 | tralala | back it up when you're done! |
| 06:47.29 | Guerin | woo, uml and fuse |
| 06:47.35 | Guerin | you're livin' on the edge there |
| 06:47.43 | SerajewelKS | yeah |
| 06:47.52 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: you realise that UML is deprecated |
| 06:47.58 | Guerin | in favour of things like xen |
| 06:48.00 | wladsto1 | then problem is the once .... this will be the second sleepless night i pass just to try to put the site on the server.. without cpanel |
| 06:48.09 | tralala | Guerin: eh?! |
| 06:48.22 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: UML doesn't require me to screw my host kernel over |
| 06:48.24 | karsten | Guerin: UML has its uses. |
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| 06:48.46 | tralala | oh, I get it - he was joking |
| 06:48.47 | Guerin | tralala: oh, sure |
| 06:48.51 | Guerin | not to say it's unuseful |
| 06:48.59 | Guerin | just that it's not really very supported these days |
| 06:49.13 | Guerin | because xen does so much more, etc. |
| 06:49.18 | SerajewelKS | aside from the fuse issue it works great |
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| 06:49.44 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: if it's any consolation, fuse is broken in etch, even with a non-uml kernel, for me |
| 06:50.00 | tralala | Guerin: oh... you mean UML as in user-mode-linux... I was thinking you compared the Unified Markup Langueage to xen... |
| 06:50.01 | Guerin | not sure who to blame for that |
| 06:50.03 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: well it works on the host |
| 06:50.31 | Guerin | tralala: heh. How was Unified Markup Language ever going to be replaced by xen? |
| 06:50.48 | wladsto1 | simonrvn: it does not work. When viewing lists.domain.org, apache still tells me "Access forbidden! - error 403" |
| 06:51.04 | tralala | Guerin: this was exactly what I wanted you to enlighten me about ;) |
| 06:51.11 | Guerin | wladsto1: httpd.apache.org has lots of doc on how to unforbid things |
| 06:51.29 | wladsto1 | simonrvn: sorry - http://lists.domain.org/mailman/ returns this error |
| 06:51.40 | SerajewelKS | so i guess it's either qemu or vmware |
| 06:51.53 | wladsto1 | Guerin: going for it ... |
| 06:51.56 | tralala | btw how does vserver compare to xen? |
| 06:52.06 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: xen isn't an option? |
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| 06:53.00 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i think it's a bit much for running one VM periodically |
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| 06:55.16 | SerajewelKS | i could also use smbfs or some ftp fuse FS in UML, but it's not supported by the debian UML build |
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| 06:56.06 | n000b | hi all |
| 06:57.18 | wladsto1 | Guerin: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/misc/FAQ-E.html#forbidden - I've found the cause - but it does not explain how to unforbid. I've made a chmod +x /usr/lib/mailman/bin/ and it still does not work. |
| 06:57.27 | blujay | Where would one change the notification settings for the KOrganizer Reminder Daemon? I can't find them in Control Center->System Notifications, and they aren't in any menus. |
| 06:57.36 | karsten | tralala: Different solution. You can probably get a lot more vservers running on a piece of iron than Xen servers. But you don't have the same level of seperation: vservers operate within the same host OS context, Xen fully sperates guests. |
| 06:58.45 | diskus | How effective is this XEN I mean memory wise and cpu, anyone tested? |
| 06:58.49 | tralala | karsten: I see. Thanks |
| 06:59.20 | wladsto1 | Guerin: also tried chown www-data /usr/lib/mailman/bin/ without luck |
| 06:59.30 | karsten | diskus: memory-wise, the overhead of the Xen hypervisor itself is pretty small, never really measured it, say 16-32 MB or less. |
| 06:59.54 | karsten | diskus: Guests don't share memory resources, so you're carving up real memory among each of your guests. That's a limiting factor. |
| 07:00.23 | diskus | but that's not realy a problem nowadays, memory is cheap |
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| 07:00.32 | karsten | diskus: Net-net CPU overhead is in the 2-4% range. I've tested that extensively. Much beter than any other true virtualization / emulation, but vserver beats it. |
| 07:01.00 | karsten | diskus: memory is cheap, but it's one thing to talk about 4-8 guests on a box, another to talk about hundreds or thousands. |
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| 07:01.08 | diskus | xen sounds nice, have to explore it :P |
| 07:01.11 | locke | apache2.. |
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| 07:01.41 | karsten | diskus: In a shared environment (vservers, apache vhosts, etc.), you're making much more effective use of the host OS, particularly amenable to very light-loaded guests (eg: typical webhosting situation). |
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| 07:02.16 | karsten | diskus: ... and while memory is cheap, LBA is still a bit of a PITA. 64 bit is the way to fly. |
| 07:02.35 | diskus | yep, I'm more interested in seperate guest os's than just sharing resources between virtual services |
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| 07:03.40 | SerajewelKS | all i want is an environment that i can jail a process in, without network access |
| 07:03.44 | n000b | wladsto1: are you having problems with apache after upgradeing? |
| 07:04.07 | SerajewelKS | but i need access to a fuse-mounted dir on the host |
| 07:04.30 | wladsto1 | n000b: nope - I'm having problems with apache + mailman |
| 07:04.52 | karsten | wladsto1: You'll have to apply for permission before any breakdowns. |
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| 07:05.40 | wladsto1 | karsten: so, chmod +x /usr/lib/mailman/bin/ isn't enought ? |
| 07:05.57 | n000b | I'm having problems with apache2 and ANY <Directory> |
| 07:06.33 | wladsto1 | karsten: what else can I do ? I've tried even chmod 777 /usr/lib/mailman/bin/ |
| 07:06.40 | n000b | i'm using IlohaMail and RoundCube |
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| 07:07.02 | n000b | also Joomla and TXP |
| 07:07.24 | n000b | none of them works anymore |
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| 07:08.35 | wladsto1 | i'm feeling like an idiot .... i've started 8mp ... it's 4am ... NINE hours trying to read manuals to make it work |
| 07:08.39 | wladsto1 | and nothing :( |
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| 07:09.00 | SerajewelKS | does linux have any way to restrict what hosts any random process is allowed to talk to? |
| 07:09.34 | redhotwireride | need help please |
| 07:09.37 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: iptables does support firewalling specific processes |
| 07:09.38 | wols | SerajewelKS: iptables and possible tcp wrappers |
| 07:09.43 | tralala | SerajewelKS: iptables has some way to add rules per process |
| 07:10.11 | tralala | redhotwireride: /msg dpkg ask |
| 07:10.26 | SerajewelKS | well without knowing the pid ahead of time.. |
| 07:10.35 | redhotwireride | have fun thanks |
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| 07:10.49 | SerajewelKS | wols: i wrote a preload library to do this but it breaks with e.g. firefox |
| 07:10.52 | wols | sanmarcos: man pidof |
| 07:10.58 | wladsto1 | okay ... now I'm convinced i should not come here to get support.... sorry for bothering you. I promiss I won't say any more. |
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| 07:11.14 | wols | !customer |
| 07:11.14 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 07:11.24 | tralala | hehe :) |
| 07:11.31 | tralala | wols: you beat me to it |
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| 07:16.47 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:16.53 | Guerin | we weren't even mean to him |
| 07:17.06 | karsten | Guerin: Try harder ;-) |
| 07:17.25 | tralala | Guerin: of course, you were - you didn't do anything to fix his problem for free! |
| 07:17.37 | n000b | did anybody get this message in his apache2 error logs: |
| 07:17.40 | n000b | Directory index forbidden by Options directive: |
| 07:17.52 | Guerin | n000b: heh |
| 07:17.56 | nocti | is there a sourc-o-matic sources.list generator for debian (like the one in ubuntu)? |
| 07:17.56 | Guerin | that's the answer right there |
| 07:18.21 | Guerin | i didn't see his logs |
| 07:18.23 | tralala | nocti: apt-setup? |
| 07:19.08 | nocti | tralala: do i need to install it or does it go with apt? |
| 07:19.35 | tralala | nocti: it's in the base install |
| 07:19.46 | nocti | oh ok |
| 07:19.47 | nocti | tnx |
| 07:19.56 | tralala | sure |
| 07:20.43 | n000b | Guerin: I have arrived late at the party. Is it something I'm missing? |
| 07:21.23 | Guerin | n000b: oh, i thought you were talking about the guy who left because his mailman setup was unworking |
| 07:21.26 | karsten | n000b: That message is telling you that you can't view the contents of a directory directly. Generally a good thing on a public webserver. |
| 07:21.32 | tralala | n000b: it appears that your apache is misconfigured |
| 07:21.36 | karsten | nocti: apt-setup |
| 07:21.49 | Guerin | only a good thing if you have stupid stuff in your web-served dirs |
| 07:21.57 | karsten | tralala: s/misconfigured/properly configured/ |
| 07:22.04 | n000b | well, the only thing I did was a dist-upgrade |
| 07:22.16 | valdyn | n000b: on sid? |
| 07:22.28 | n000b | my config is untouched (or it seems so) |
| 07:22.28 | karsten | n000b: Check your directory directives: /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
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| 07:22.53 | karsten | n000b: Your configs should _not_ have changed unless prompted. Old config would be there. Apache configs _don't_ change. |
| 07:23.07 | n000b | right |
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| 07:23.45 | valdyn | n000b: sid's apache2 is apache 2.2 now actually, you may want to read about changes on apache.org |
| 07:24.00 | n000b | thx, I'll do it |
| 07:24.08 | n000b | it's Apache 2.2.3 |
| 07:24.14 | tralala | !sing sid |
| 07:24.15 | dpkg | (Tune=Led Zep, Your Time Is Gonna Come): Askin' stupid questions, that's all you seem to do. / Messin' around with every new thing in town, / Puttin' Sarge down, thinkin' it ain't new. / Always the same, playin' your game, / Drive #debian insane, trouble's gonna come to you, / One of these days and it won't be long, / You'll look for Sid but baby, he'll be b0rk3n... / This is all I gotta say to you, newbie: / YOUR TIME IS GONNA COME |
| 07:24.34 | nocti | how do i get a list of all the packages my sources.list is offering? |
| 07:24.46 | valdyn | n000b: configuration options, module and probably more significant for you stuff changed |
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| 07:25.15 | valdyn | nocti: you want a list of all 18000 packages? |
| 07:25.20 | karsten | nocti: grep -h '^Package:' /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages |
| 07:25.36 | karsten | nocti: Mind that's 15k - 22k depending on your sources. |
| 07:25.40 | karsten | !tell nocti about search |
| 07:25.46 | nocti | ah yes... thanks guys |
| 07:25.46 | karsten | nocti: ^^ is probably more useful. |
| 07:25.53 | tralala | nocti: fire aptitude and look |
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| 07:28.32 | karsten | numberofthebeast++ |
| 07:29.19 | tralala | heh |
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| 07:30.35 | icwiener | Why does debhelper change the nicklimit from time to time? |
| 07:30.51 | karsten | icwiener: it's a soft limit to prevent crapflood logins. |
| 07:30.53 | liable | stop bot floods |
| 07:30.54 | tralala | icwiener: it's part of its job |
| 07:31.12 | karsten | icwiener: There are currently 652 nicks on channel, the current softcap is 667. |
| 07:31.41 | karsten | icwiener: So at most 15 people could join in rapid succession. The limit moves every few minutes. |
| 07:32.02 | icwiener | Ok, I see. Thx. |
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| 07:32.51 | tengulre | anybody using iptables, how to using --string ? |
| 07:33.04 | Guerin | !anybody use iptables? |
| 07:33.12 | Guerin | hn |
| 07:33.23 | Guerin | !anyone use iptables? |
| 07:33.24 | dpkg | No, no one uses iptables, not even the people who use it. |
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| 07:34.01 | Fox_1_ | I have a rewritemap (perl script) in apache, and I want to access apache enviroment variables from there, how can I do that? |
| 07:34.19 | karsten | Fox_1_: taint possible. |
| 07:34.56 | bk_ankur | due to some reasons /var/log/syslogd dumps the packet information and thus its hard to find other information in the same file. so any suggestions. |
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| 07:35.21 | vanoda | someon can tell me why i stil get the error Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/vancp/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 345 |
| 07:35.30 | vanoda | i have php5-mysql module installed on my apache1 |
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| 07:36.16 | teledyn | is there a way to get mic input from internal sound card to route out through external usb sound device? |
| 07:37.43 | Fox_1_ | karsten: what? |
| 07:37.49 | Guerin | teledyn: ask #alsa |
| 07:38.41 | karsten | Fox_1_: NM |
| 07:38.48 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 07:38.53 | karsten | !nm |
| 07:38.53 | dpkg | from memory, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 07:39.27 | Fox_1_ | karsten: listen i ask you about apache |
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| 07:47.14 | karsten | Fox_1_: Suggest you ask again here, differently, or try #apache |
| 07:47.38 | karsten | Fox_1_: ... or #php |
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| 07:48.25 | wols | what is a "rewritemap"? |
| 07:48.31 | wols | mod_rewrite thingie? |
| 07:48.37 | karsten | wols: NFC |
| 07:49.16 | wols | karsten: sounds like it at least |
| 07:49.27 | karsten | aye |
| 07:49.59 | karsten | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html |
| 07:50.15 | karsten | Nighty night. |
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| 07:54.22 | iLLf8d | anyone knows which docs I'd look at to determine how to enable cpu freq scaling for my users (ie non root) |
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| 07:54.40 | teclo- | Hello, I'm trying to use the software watchdog in a 2.6 kernel. I have softdog compiled as a module, and I can do modprobe softdog. But then, I need a watchdog daemon. Where can I find it ? |
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| 07:56.31 | tuv | iLLf8d, cpufreq-userspace |
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| 07:57.12 | tuv | iLLf8d, load the cpufreq-userspace kernel module |
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| 08:02.46 | iLLf8d | argh wrong kernel i brb |
| 08:02.50 | mne | hi, i was wondering if there is a way to change which disks/drives are shown in nautilus' tree view. i would like to add some mount points .. |
| 08:02.51 | iLLf8d | thanks for the info tuv |
| 08:02.59 | cydork | ravenbird: bed tuv |
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| 08:03.50 | tuv | thanks cydork, bot no thanks |
| 08:04.04 | cydork | tuv: no problem ;) |
| 08:04.15 | tuv | i'd rather hit my head with a hammer |
| 08:04.26 | vanoda | i deleted the /etc/apache2 my mistake. how can i apt-get install back it ? |
| 08:05.07 | cydork | !tell vanoda about confmiss |
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| 08:05.12 | tuv | mne, nautilus recognizes entries in /etc/fstab, so edit it |
| 08:05.22 | vanoda | ? |
| 08:05.46 | cydork | vanoda: check what dpkg just messaged you! |
| 08:05.54 | mne | vanoda, if you remove and reinstall apache2, you should get the default file back. your customized files should be conserved (since the installer asks if it should overwrite them) |
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| 08:06.51 | mne | tuv, my entries are in /etc/fstab, but nautilus doesn't show them. is there a special /etc/fstab directive that nautilus "reacts on" ? |
| 08:07.02 | vanoda | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 seem not give me back the conf files and the /etc/apache2 folder |
| 08:07.07 | snail | cydork: is there a commandline to find out which packages have installed something in directory x? |
| 08:07.11 | tuv | mne, not sure, probably 'users' |
| 08:07.42 | cydork | snail: dpkg -S <filename> should do that.. |
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| 08:08.03 | cydork | vanoda: then purge and reinstall just reinstalling wont help.. |
| 08:08.10 | mne | tuv, i have "user" for all my data-disks, and only the 2 vfat disks are shown. the non-vfat disks (ntfs, ext3, ...) are not shown ;(( |
| 08:08.13 | vanoda | i did a purge |
| 08:08.16 | vanoda | it doesnt work |
| 08:08.23 | vanoda | apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 08:08.27 | vanoda | apt-get install apach2 |
| 08:08.34 | vanoda | it doesnt install back my conf.. |
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| 08:08.44 | vanoda | well my entire /etc/apache2 disapear |
| 08:09.17 | cydork | vanoda: that's strange.. |
| 08:09.44 | tuv | mne, my nautilus shows my ntfs. did you mount it manually or was it autmotically mounted (using fstab)? BTW, i'm using 'users' option and not 'user' if it makes any difference |
| 08:09.46 | vanoda | bcuz i type rm -fr etc/apcche2 |
| 08:09.47 | vanoda | by mistake |
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| 08:11.21 | mne | tuv, my fstab manpage doesn't list the "users" option. just "user" which means thatr it is user moutable. all the disks are mounted automatically. (however, it would also be nice if manually mounted disks would also show up in nautilus) |
| 08:11.30 | g333k | hi, do you know why when I load the gdesklets manager, it just neve loads? |
| 08:11.37 | cydork | vanoda: does it install properly if you do confmiss? or do you get some errors? |
| 08:11.57 | vanoda | cydork: it jsut said missing conf files.. |
| 08:12.03 | mne | tuv, also adding the "users" options doesn't change anythiung |
| 08:12.36 | tuv | mne, 'users' means any user can mount and unmount even if he wasn't the one that originally mounted |
| 08:13.05 | tuv | mne, do you see all your disks in 'Computer' window in nautilus? |
| 08:13.10 | mne | tuv, according to my fstab manpage "user" means that. "users" is not mentioned |
| 08:13.13 | cydork | vanoda: paste the output in a paster. |
| 08:13.15 | cydork | !paster |
| 08:13.16 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:13.39 | tuv | mne, 'user' means anyone can mount, but only him or root can unmount. this restriction is not there in 'users' |
| 08:14.07 | tuv | mne, it's in 'man mount' |
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| 08:14.28 | vanoda | output is touch: cannot touch `/etc/apache2/httpd.conf': No such file or directory |
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| 08:15.02 | mne | tuv, i see. no, in the "Computer" view those disks also do not show up. however, some disks show up that are not mounted .. |
| 08:15.38 | g333k | why when I try to load the gdesklets daemon, I receive the error that it couldnt complete connection with the daemon ? |
| 08:15.59 | cydork | vanoda: can you paste the whole output in http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 08:16.15 | tuv | mne, are all the shown and mounted ones present in the tree view? if not try opening one |
| 08:16.21 | cydork | g333k: checked bts? |
| 08:16.37 | g333k | cydork, nop |
| 08:16.52 | dorel__ | hey cydork |
| 08:17.15 | g333k | cydork, can you give me the url? |
| 08:17.28 | tuv | g333k, gdesklets is full of surprises. just run 'gdesklets slay' and start it again |
| 08:17.39 | mne | tuv, yes, all disks shown in "Computer" are also in the tree view. unfortunately, some mounted disks are not even in the "Computer" view |
| 08:18.10 | cydork | dorel__: hello |
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| 08:18.24 | g333k | tuv, what do I need to load gdesklets? I mean dependencies |
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| 08:18.58 | tuv | g333k, are you running debian? |
| 08:19.02 | mne | tuv, for example i have a fixed disk "/dev/hdd1" which is mounted to "/mnt/hdd1" containing an ext3 filesystem. in my /etc/fstab I mount is with the options "defaults,rw,user,noexec". it doesn't show up in nautilus |
| 08:19.24 | g333k | tuv, yep etch |
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| 08:19.38 | tuv | g333k, then why do you worry about dependencies? |
| 08:19.47 | iLLf8d | tuv are you using the governors for your cpufreq scaling by any chance? if so can you paste me the modules they're loading? |
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| 08:20.32 | mne | tub, it would also be pretty nice if one could define his own "shortcuts" in nautilus. |
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| 08:21.06 | g333k | tuv, because when I execute gdekslets it says that I need the latest version of PyGTK to run gdesklets |
| 08:21.10 | mne | tuv, it would also be pretty nice if one could define his own "shortcuts" in nautilus. |
| 08:21.27 | tuv | iLLf8d, what do you mean by 'the modules they're loading'? i'm using ondemand while on ac and powersave when on battery (laptop-mode-tools switch automatically) |
| 08:21.49 | KillingFrost | hi all |
| 08:21.56 | tuv | g333k, have you aptitude update'd recently? |
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| 08:22.29 | tuv | mne, you can create shortcuts on your desktop for example |
| 08:22.35 | tuv | mne, or on the gnome-panel |
| 08:22.58 | mne | tuv, yes, but not in the nautilus browser mode |
| 08:22.58 | iLLf8d | tuv, can you use those with the speedstep_centrino module also? I have both enabled in my kernel just dunno if they can play nice together or not |
| 08:23.03 | tuv | iLLf8d, i used to use userspace a while ago too |
| 08:23.14 | KillingFrost | i have some troubles with my xorg. Anyone can help? |
| 08:23.34 | mne | KillingFrost, describe your problem |
| 08:23.36 | tuv | iLLf8d, those are governers. you still need a driver, which speedstep_centrino is |
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| 08:23.38 | KillingFrost | thx |
| 08:23.45 | g333k | tuv nop |
| 08:23.50 | KillingFrost | its a fresh install debian testing on a dell C400 |
| 08:24.01 | KillingFrost | i nstalled x-window-system-core |
| 08:24.08 | KillingFrost | but my xorg.conf is empty |
| 08:24.18 | KillingFrost | dpkg-reconfigure wont make a new one |
| 08:24.19 | iLLf8d | so are all the modules loaded or just those you'll use ie do you have conservative in too? or just ondemand and performance? |
| 08:24.46 | KillingFrost | any ideas ? |
| 08:24.57 | tuv | g333k, then try an aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade; and see if the problem persists. if it's been a while since you last upgraded then watch out for a massive upgrade |
| 08:25.05 | iLLf8d | tuv, I'm asking cause certain mixes of power related modules seems to be disabling my cpu freq scaling (which happens to be working atm just by gighz) |
| 08:25.15 | mne | KillingFrost, hmm. did you also install "xorg" "x-window-system" and such ? |
| 08:25.52 | KillingFrost | yes |
| 08:26.01 | KillingFrost | + video input modules |
| 08:26.10 | tuv | iLLf8d, which governor are you using right now? is it scaling or is the freq. fixed? what other modules are you suspecting? |
| 08:26.11 | mne | KillingFrost, what graphic card do you have ? |
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| 08:26.28 | mne | KillingFrost, you might also try to dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system |
| 08:26.34 | iLLf8d | one sec i'll put togehter a list and find some paster |
| 08:26.43 | KillingFrost | intel i810 |
| 08:26.52 | KillingFrost | i mean i830m |
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| 08:27.10 | mne | KillingFrost, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:27.17 | factorx | Isn't VLC available in etch main repositories or am I simply too blind to find it? |
| 08:27.19 | mne | KillingFrost, that should generate a config file for you |
| 08:27.36 | vanoda | someone can help me... i got touch: cannot touch `/etc/apache2/httpd.conf': No such file or directory |
| 08:27.37 | tuv | iLLf8d, there is no harm in having as many governor modules loaded as you want. ondemand, performance, and conservative are all governor modules |
| 08:27.39 | vanoda | when i start apache2 |
| 08:27.45 | vanoda | i deleted the /etc/apache2 per error |
| 08:27.57 | g333k | Does somebody use A weather gdeklet? It doesnt show me the weather... |
| 08:27.59 | tuv | iLLf8d, i think performance is compiled-in in debian kernels, so it won't appear in lsmod |
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| 08:28.29 | iLLf8d | tuv, actually my kernels custom I think it all works but I'm not sure my mixing modes is a good idea |
| 08:28.48 | KillingFrost | no |
| 08:28.54 | KillingFrost | still no xorg.cong |
| 08:28.54 | tuv | factorx, no it's not in etch, but in sid |
| 08:29.07 | mne | KillingFrost, but the config tool came up ? |
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| 08:29.15 | tuv | iLLf8d, having a governor loaded doesn't mean it's active |
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| 08:29.18 | KillingFrost | the dpkg-reconfigure ask me questions wixh i answer |
| 08:29.29 | KillingFrost | but still empty xorg.conf |
| 08:29.38 | mne | KillingFrost, right. strange, that should have generated a xorg.conf file |
| 08:29.44 | wols | KillingFrost: have you edited your xorg.conf before? |
| 08:29.49 | KillingFrost | no |
| 08:29.51 | tuv | iLLf8d, it's what in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor that matters |
| 08:29.51 | wols | does it give you a message about it at the end? |
| 08:29.54 | KillingFrost | its a fresh install |
| 08:29.58 | iLLf8d | yeah I don't think I have the tools in yet |
| 08:30.01 | wols | are you root while using drxx |
| 08:30.09 | iLLf8d | I can cat to those entries by hand and changem atm |
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| 08:30.30 | iLLf8d | I'm trying to make sure my applet will use the governor scaling items and not the cpu freq settings |
| 08:30.36 | mne | KillingFrost, maybe try deleting that empty xorg.conf and redo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:30.40 | tuv | !tell KillingFrost about xorgmd5 |
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| 08:30.58 | iLLf8d | tuv http://channels.debian.net/paste/4007 |
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| 08:31.33 | mne | KillingFrost, yep. if you habe modified your xorg and the debian tools do not have the right md5 sum, they won't modify your config |
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| 08:31.59 | iLLf8d | tuv, I gotta install the laptop tools package and see if I can get my applet to use it |
| 08:32.05 | tuv | iLLf8d, looks ok to me, any particular problems? if you're using userspace then you need a userspace cpufreq scaling tool. |
| 08:32.12 | KillingFrost | i deleted the empty xorg.conf and ran dpkg but i didnt create a new one |
| 08:32.12 | tuv | iLLf8d, powernowd is a good one |
| 08:32.27 | iLLf8d | ok will toss that one in |
| 08:32.39 | wols | !why vlc not in testing |
| 08:32.42 | wols | factorx: ^^ |
| 08:32.43 | mne | KillingFrost, strange. |
| 08:32.52 | iLLf8d | I was having issues before with acpi_cpufreq module bombing it out I think |
| 08:32.58 | wols | !tell KillingFrost about xorg.conf |
| 08:33.01 | KillingFrost | what is the md5 thing ? |
| 08:33.04 | wols | !tell KillingFrost about xorgmd5 |
| 08:33.04 | iLLf8d | so I took it outta the compile |
| 08:33.17 | tuv | iLLf8d, btw, if you want userspace then you don't need laptop-tools for freq. scaling to work. all you need is a userspace tool like powernowd |
| 08:34.08 | tuv | !why vlc is not in testing |
| 08:34.08 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons list in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 08:34.23 | tuv | wols, ^^ |
| 08:34.51 | vanoda | how can i restore the httpd.conf from apachee please |
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| 08:35.02 | vanoda | someone can help me :( |
| 08:35.03 | cydork | vanoda: httpd.conf is empty now days |
| 08:35.11 | iLLf8d | all I want is it to use conservative on battery and performance on ac and still have the ability to use my gnome cpu freq scaling monitor to override it (guess it can show as the governor settings or cpu freqs in the applet its cpufreqs atm) |
| 08:35.15 | KillingFrost | ok ill try the md5sum |
| 08:35.21 | tuv | iLLf8d, acpi_cpufreq is not very stable |
| 08:35.22 | vanoda | i dont have /etc/apache2 anymore |
| 08:35.28 | vanoda | wel actually how can i restore the entire folder |
| 08:35.38 | iLLf8d | tuv, yeah didn't work here don't need it either |
| 08:35.44 | cydork | vanoda: didn't i tell you to paste the output of confmiss? |
| 08:35.49 | Danamania | heh. m68k vlc. |
| 08:35.52 | cydork | !paster |
| 08:35.52 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:35.54 | iLLf8d | tuv, was hard to tell based on the documentation displayed in menuconfig |
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| 08:36.04 | tuv | iLLf8d, and if you have a centrino (pentium m) then the centrino module is more capable |
| 08:36.10 | iLLf8d | and the kernel docs werent much better (read them all those related) |
| 08:36.17 | quintin | How do I get thumbnail preview of VIDEO files in GNOME ? |
| 08:36.22 | cydork | vanoda: use http://channels.debian.net/paste and paste the output of that. |
| 08:36.28 | vanoda | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 just make me a reinstall same as apt-get install |
| 08:36.45 | tuv | quintin, they should appear by default. have you disabled them? |
| 08:36.47 | vanoda | itdoesnt restore or show up any miss conf |
| 08:37.10 | g333k | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.15 | tuv | quintin, in nautilus: Edit -> Preferences -> Preview |
| 08:37.25 | quintin | tuv: it is not there I think |
| 08:37.27 | quintin | tuv: no |
| 08:37.44 | quintin | tuv: there is nothing for video files there |
| 08:37.49 | cydork | vanoda: that is what i want to see so use the paster :) |
| 08:38.05 | vanoda | !paster |
| 08:38.05 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 08:38.21 | tuv | quintin, 'Other Previewable Files' |
| 08:38.23 | vanoda | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4008 |
| 08:38.25 | vanoda | there! |
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| 08:38.36 | quintin | tuv: I've set it to 1gb size and all files and still not working |
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| 08:38.46 | teclo- | Hello I have the softdog kernel module loaded and watchdog running, but the access/modify/change time on /dev/watchdog are not changing.. Am I doing something wrong ? |
| 08:38.55 | teclo- | l00k: |
| 08:38.59 | teclo- | Access: 2006-10-10 09:56:12.000000000 +0200 |
| 08:38.59 | teclo- | Modify: 2006-10-10 09:56:12.000000000 +0200 |
| 08:38.59 | teclo- | Change: 2006-10-10 09:56:12.000000000 +0200 |
| 08:39.43 | tuv | quintin, do you have /usr/bin/gome-video-thumbnailer ? |
| 08:40.04 | cydork | vanoda: that doesn't have any errors. you said something about some error related to httpd.conf. |
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| 08:40.19 | quintin | tuv: yesh |
| 08:40.23 | cydork | vanoda: cannot touch `/etc/apache2/httpd.conf': No such file or directory |
| 08:40.29 | vanoda | actually, when it try to start apache2 |
| 08:40.33 | vanoda | tat what i said to me |
| 08:40.40 | vanoda | i dont have the apache2 folder anymore |
| 08:41.03 | cydork | vanoda: mkdir /etc/apache2/ and try again |
| 08:41.11 | tuv | quintin, do you have /usr/bin/totem-video-thumbnailer? |
| 08:41.11 | cydork | vanoda: with confmiss. |
| 08:41.22 | KillingFrost | didnt help |
| 08:41.30 | KillingFrost | i did the md5sum |
| 08:41.33 | KillingFrost | ran dpkg |
| 08:41.35 | quintin | tuv: yes |
| 08:41.43 | KillingFrost | and still empty xorg.conf :/ |
| 08:41.44 | vanoda | ah it not restoring my conf files |
| 08:41.48 | vanoda | nah* |
| 08:41.55 | vanoda | and it doesnt show me any error |
| 08:41.58 | tuv | quintin, are the video files playable in totem? |
| 08:42.01 | tralala | KillingFrost: try to fit more than 5 words on a single line |
| 08:42.11 | quintin | tuv: most likely not. |
| 08:42.28 | tuv | quintin, that's probably why? why aren't they playable? |
| 08:42.59 | cydork | vanoda: that might be because the folder doesn't exist. so if you create one there should not be that problem. frankly try --purge and install again. |
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| 08:43.11 | vanoda | i did created one |
| 08:43.16 | vanoda | and it doesnt work |
| 08:43.34 | vanoda | theres no wayto make debian install abck the ackage from the scrtch/ |
| 08:43.37 | vanoda | ? |
| 08:43.54 | quintin | totem sux =) |
| 08:44.38 | cydork | vanoda: that's what purge does. which version of debian are using anyway? |
| 08:44.45 | vanoda | sarge stable |
| 08:44.57 | tuv | quintin, you don't have to watch with it, but if it's unable to play them then you don't have the libraries/codecs to play them. any other player will not play them unless it has the codecs compiled-in |
| 08:45.12 | tuv | quintin, i.e. statically linked |
| 08:45.18 | quintin | tuv: was just about ot ask you if it needed to be gnome playable |
| 08:45.18 | quintin | tuv: codecs |
| 08:45.18 | quintin | they play in mplayer/vlc |
| 08:45.18 | quintin | tuv: know quickly which packages I should get to fix? |
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| 08:47.32 | quintin | wtf |
| 08:47.35 | quintin | anyway |
| 08:47.37 | tuv | quintin, don't paste |
| 08:47.42 | quintin | I didn't paste! |
| 08:47.57 | tuv | quintin, which totem do you have installed: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine? |
| 08:48.34 | quintin | tuv: first I believe |
| 08:48.50 | tuv | quintin, i'd try totem-xine before anything else |
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| 08:49.05 | quintin | is there a way to make certain programs load faster? I can't stand waiting five seoncds for firefox or terminal or ten seconds for openoffice |
| 08:49.20 | tuv | quintin, try preload |
| 08:49.29 | quintin | and I have a lotta free ram... but maybe my disk or cpu is slowing it. in win though those apps load A BAJILLION times faster |
| 08:49.53 | Mike_kayaker | quintin: you have sata? |
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| 08:50.07 | cydork | tuv: quintin: try prelink |
| 08:50.15 | quintin | Mike_kayaker: no. this is a coppermine machien |
| 08:50.39 | wols | quintin: is your harddisk running in busmaster DMA mode? |
| 08:50.46 | Mike_kayaker | quintin: ok sata2 made a big difference here |
| 08:51.06 | wols | dmesg |grep BM-DMA |
| 08:51.12 | quintin | wols: not sure.. how to check? /proc? |
| 08:51.13 | wols | or run hdparm -tT on the disk |
| 08:51.13 | quintin | k |
| 08:52.24 | quintin | wols: dmesg | grep DMA return nothing |
| 08:52.50 | tuv | quintin, high uptime? |
| 08:53.15 | quintin | tuv: not really... why? |
| 08:53.38 | tuv | quintin, dmesg buffer gets sorta reused |
| 08:53.42 | tarzeau | http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=199841&cid=16368565 |
| 08:53.50 | quintin | tuv: oh. well no. just a few hrs |
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| 08:54.00 | quintin | just restored the OS from a DVD backup |
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| 08:54.19 | quintin | tuv: oooooook. I can play the file with crappy totem player... but still no thumbnails |
| 08:54.23 | quintin | hm |
| 08:54.40 | cydork | tarzeau: so what's the point? |
| 08:55.08 | quintin | wols: hdparm -tT gives me some benchmarks? how do I see DMA or nto though? |
| 08:55.40 | tuv | quintin, the thumbnailer doesn't reattempt files it failed on previously. rename one of the files and it will work |
| 08:55.54 | wols | quintin: what disk is it and what do benchmarks say? |
| 08:55.58 | quintin | tuv: it's aon DVD-R |
| 08:56.24 | quintin | wols: /dev/hda first one was like 145m 'cached' second 12m 'buffered' |
| 08:56.32 | tuv | quintin, rm -fr ~/.thumbnails |
| 08:56.52 | quintin | tuv: even reload won't get it to try thumbnail again? That is poor design I thin k |
| 08:57.03 | quintin | gah! all my purdy thumgnails |
| 08:57.06 | tuv | quintin, that's called caching |
| 08:57.24 | quintin | tuv: what is called cashing ..? |
| 08:57.42 | wols | quintin: that 12MB is a bit low- looks like BM-DMA problems |
| 08:57.52 | tralala | quintin: cashing is when you enter the bank with an automatic shotgun |
| 08:58.10 | tuv | quintin, storing the thumbnails instead of regenerating them |
| 08:58.28 | quintin | tuv: thumbnails! thanks a bunch. I would've been screwying with it for hours |
| 08:58.36 | quintin | tuv: uhm.. I'm aware of that? |
| 08:58.46 | tuv | quintin, so it works now? |
| 08:59.14 | quintin | tuv: yesh. a bit slow, but that is to be expected since it's on a DVDR. do you know if DVD is 'local' media in the preferences? |
| 08:59.19 | wols | wtf? Debian GNU/w32? |
| 08:59.27 | quintin | wols: wtf? |
| 08:59.29 | tuv | quintin, i guess it is |
| 08:59.38 | cydork | wols: huh? |
| 08:59.39 | wols | http://debian-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:59.57 | quintin | tuv: well I turned on 'all'.. I'd hat eto se it try to thumbnail something on remote ssh server across globe :p |
| 08:59.58 | tuv | now that's interesting |
| 09:00.09 | quintin | wols: how does one solve... BM-DMA problems? |
| 09:00.16 | wols | quintin: debian kernel? |
| 09:00.19 | quintin | tuv: is the thumbnail from a random point on movie file? |
| 09:00.34 | tuv | quintin, not sure |
| 09:00.45 | wols | quintin: proper kernel modules for your IDE controller and/or hdparm |
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| 09:01.12 | quintin | wols: that make my computer SOOPER DOOPER fast? |
| 09:02.30 | teledyn | oh man the apache2 upgrade in sid is messy |
| 09:03.15 | quintin | tuv: trying to test...... 7:45 for oen thumb |
| 09:03.15 | wols | quintin: no |
| 09:03.17 | cydork | teledyn: that's why it's called sid ;) |
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| 09:03.33 | wols | it makes harddisk access use less CPU and faster |
| 09:03.41 | wols | if BM-DMA is not working that is |
| 09:04.31 | quintin | tuv: 7:45 for the next thumb as well. I am guessing thumb is generated at a % into the file perhaps.. or if(file_size <> blah blh) etc. some kind of formula |
| 09:04.50 | quintin | wols: will it not make loading apps noticeably faster? |
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| 09:05.05 | tuv | quintin, makes sense |
| 09:05.47 | quintin | tuv: I should write a letter.... "reload" should attempt to generate thumbnails again on failed fiels I think. |
| 09:05.56 | wols | yes it should |
| 09:06.15 | wols | be various things do start slower on linux than windows. e.g. OOo or ffox I think |
| 09:06.42 | quintin | wols: crappy!! I don't wanna buy new hardware. |
| 09:07.00 | wols | nobody said you should |
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| 09:07.12 | wols | how fast is the CPU, how much ram and what speed of the disk? |
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| 09:07.28 | teledyn | cydork: something very nasty is going on. many directives are causing errors |
| 09:07.31 | quintin | wols: at multi-tasking linux is much better though. like if something is not in foreground for excessive time in windows, it takes *forever* to get it back u if you clikc it again and bring to foreground... not seen anything liike that on linux |
| 09:07.52 | wols | cause linux has a good VM compared to windows |
| 09:07.55 | tarzeau | cydork: it's funny, laugh |
| 09:07.59 | quintin | wols: coppermine cellie @ 800mhz 512m pc133 ram speed of disk dunno.. 7200 I believe |
| 09:08.03 | cydork | teledyn: why are you running apache in sid?? |
| 09:08.12 | cydork | tarzeau: heh muahhahah! |
| 09:08.20 | tuv | wols, is that page all there is about debian gnu/w32? |
| 09:08.41 | tralala | tarzeau: LOLZ |
| 09:08.42 | cydork | tarzeau: hey just came back from geneva. Amazing place.. |
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| 09:09.02 | tarzeau | cydork: yep, where are you now? |
| 09:09.27 | cydork | tarzeau: back to work now. :P |
| 09:09.38 | wols | tuv: afaik yes. but it's still funny |
| 09:09.55 | wols | cydork: so they let you in after all? *g* |
| 09:09.59 | quintin | oh and if anyone gives a hoot I got skype going otoo. yay! not tried incoming / outgoing at same time... no mic right now. but receiving voice was super |
| 09:10.05 | cydork | wols: yep :) |
| 09:10.11 | tuv | wols, it's a brave step, but now thinking about it, it's a natural one too |
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| 09:10.39 | wols | tuv: imho it's a doomed one, but it's their time and work |
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| 09:11.42 | tuv | wols, well for us it's a waste of.. hmm.. everything. but i think it can do some publicity |
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| 09:12.00 | ilf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/196079 - been like that for a week in sid. now which package is broken? |
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| 09:12.57 | tuv | wols, i mean free software is taking over the windows platform, so people are a little familiar with free software, but integrated and well-tested free software on windows is.. wow.. too much for a windows user |
| 09:12.58 | quintin | wols: any thoughts re: hardware? |
| 09:13.10 | quintin | tuv: are any checks done to ensure you don't get wrong thumb for a image or vid? |
| 09:13.13 | wols | quintin: imho fast enough for desktop stuff |
| 09:13.37 | quintin | wols: seems ok... just that opening things s ucks!!! too slow! :( |
| 09:13.39 | wols | and look in your kren.log for BM or simply "hda" and look near it |
| 09:13.47 | quintin | I want winxp prefetch for linux :"> |
| 09:13.48 | wols | it will say if it's PIO or BM-DMA there |
| 09:14.02 | quintin | where to find kren.log? |
| 09:14.08 | wols | quintin: which programs take too long in particular? and how long? |
| 09:14.11 | tuv | quintin, what do you mean by wrong? anyway i guess not 'cuz if it fails you don't get a thumbnail |
| 09:14.12 | wols | kern.log |
| 09:14.20 | wols | in your log directory /var/log |
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| 09:14.41 | quintin | PRETTY THUMBNAILS!!! http://poker1.mine.nu/Screenshot-3.png !! |
| 09:15.09 | cydork | quintin: is that anime or hentai? |
| 09:15.10 | cydork | :P |
| 09:15.51 | quintin | tuv: I mean ther is file XYZ.png that is replaced with totally diff file with same name. are there any sanity checks? |
| 09:15.51 | wols | cyzie: since when is there a difference? |
| 09:15.52 | oxyride | a phishing? |
| 09:15.52 | quintin | cydork: anime. I am getting a bunch for nerd friend 'cause I have a stupid amount of bandwidth. I ended up falling in love with this one show... it's really great. |
| 09:16.08 | tuv | quintin, i guess that scenario is taken care of. even a rename is considered |
| 09:16.21 | tuv | quintin, and if you move a file a thumb is regenerated |
| 09:16.25 | wols | cyzie: btw, it's called "fan service" :) |
| 09:16.49 | cydork | wols: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai |
| 09:17.51 | oxyride | ? |
| 09:18.06 | quintin | wols: Oct 10 01:51:50 localhost kernel: [17179575.704000] ide0: BM-DMA at 0x2480-0 x2487, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio |
| 09:18.23 | wols | quintin: what is hdb? your CD? |
| 09:18.49 | quintin | wols: apps that are slow are firefox , openoffice , terminal , hrm I guess everyhting :p biggest pain is firefox and OOo and terminal.. |
| 09:19.01 | wols | quintin: what is hdb? your CD? |
| 09:19.09 | quintin | wols: no hdb! it's an applicance computer. hda is HDD hdc is DVD-ROM |
| 09:19.27 | wols | so there is no hdb? |
| 09:19.31 | quintin | mp |
| 09:19.34 | quintin | no |
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| 09:20.28 | quintin | Everyone like my almost-mac-looking GNOME? :) |
| 09:20.54 | oxyride | none I think |
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| 09:21.13 | locke | quintin: let me see |
| 09:21.16 | cydork | quintin: hell no :) |
| 09:21.18 | _Gnea_ | now, if i could get my workstation to behave properly and not crap out everytime the fonts change, I like the thumbnails but would probably try to get evidence to work again :) |
| 09:21.19 | locke | screenshot? |
| 09:21.31 | Werdnum | I've installed ntp-simple, but my server's date/time is still 5 hours behind. How can I trigger a synchronisation with the ntp servers? |
| 09:21.39 | _Gnea_ | ( 05:08 quintin ) PRETTY THUMBNAILS!!! http://poker1.mine.nu/Screenshot-3.png !! |
| 09:21.59 | quintin | locke: ^^ what _Gnea_ say |
| 09:21.59 | Werdnum | !ntp |
| 09:21.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 09:22.11 | oxyride | where is .nu? |
| 09:22.46 | tuv | quintin, i thought something is familiar in that screenshot :) |
| 09:22.48 | quintin | oxyride: .mine.nu is free DDNS service part of dyndns |
| 09:23.00 | oxyride | hehe |
| 09:23.42 | tuv | Werdna_, install ntpdate and run /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart |
| 09:23.45 | quintin | tuv: the defaults were pretty craptastic. mac is kind of purdy to I tried to ge themes etc similar. find theme... then iconset 2x.. first I like a few icons... second I like most.. but a few from 1st set were nicer for some things. probably end up making my own iconset |
| 09:23.49 | quintin | oxyride: why for?! :( |
| 09:24.05 | oxyride | I hate that |
| 09:24.11 | oxyride | :)) |
| 09:24.29 | quintin | although I'm thinking I might try xfce or such to see if anything is faster.. |
| 09:24.34 | quintin | oxyride: hate what? |
| 09:24.44 | Werdnum | tuv: bash: /etc/init.d/ntpdate: No such file or directory |
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| 09:24.55 | oxyride | quintin, dynamic dns |
| 09:25.17 | quintin | oxyride: ah.. hmm? why? it is useful |
| 09:25.23 | locke | dyn dns sux0r |
| 09:25.28 | quintin | zomg no |
| 09:25.31 | quintin | dyndns FTW |
| 09:25.44 | locke | dhcp FTL |
| 09:25.50 | quintin | well |
| 09:25.53 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know a good place to ask question about subversion? |
| 09:25.54 | quintin | sticky IP cost me more |
| 09:25.58 | locke | as well as everyone on my ISP |
| 09:26.03 | quintin | and my IP is set via MAC and DHCP |
| 09:26.05 | locke | its dfaullt here |
| 09:26.09 | quintin | so it changes...... never. pretty much :) |
| 09:26.10 | oxyride | I think that ddns is dangerous than useful |
| 09:26.15 | quintin | IPs, rather |
| 09:26.44 | quintin | only time any would change is if I change modem or they do a lot of work at ISP end |
| 09:26.49 | quintin | oxyride: elaborate? |
| 09:26.51 | tuv | Werdna_, hmm.. things seem to have changed a bit.. ntpdate pool.ntp.org then |
| 09:26.52 | locke | i hate non-persistent IP |
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| 09:27.17 | fluxdude | how can I increase the ip_contrack limit, I can't find the proc thingy, or was it a /sys thing? |
| 09:27.21 | quintin | wols: so you think there is DMA errror? or how to check that? |
| 09:27.37 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to move a directory inside a subversion repository? I have a project on the root of my repository and want to move it to it's own directory |
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| 09:28.03 | quintin | are there any other tips on increasing responsiveness of my desktop? |
| 09:28.06 | Werdnum | tuv: 10 Oct 04:28:13 ntpdate[6999]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 09:28.19 | sep | Knight_Lord, svn help mv |
| 09:28.41 | Knight_Lord | sep thanks |
| 09:28.57 | tuv | Werdna_, was that 'ntpdate pool.ntp.org' ? |
| 09:29.13 | Werdnum | no, but that gives me an error, too |
| 09:29.23 | Werdnum | 10 Oct 04:29:32 ntpdate[7000]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
| 09:29.40 | Fox | fluxdude: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max |
| 09:29.49 | quintin | really close to moving to linux for desktop |
| 09:29.51 | sep | Werdna_, you must stop ntpd before running ntpdate |
| 09:30.23 | Werdnum | shouldn't ntpd actually, you know, work? |
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| 09:30.24 | sep | Werdna_, probably /etc/init.d/ntp-server stop |
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| 09:30.38 | tuv | Werdna_, hmm.. read /usr/share/doc/ntpdate/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 09:30.45 | sep | Werdna_, are you on sarge or later ? |
| 09:30.59 | Werdnum | sep: sarge/sid hybrid |
| 09:31.32 | wols | !bobbitt |
| 09:31.33 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 09:31.38 | sep | Werdna_, if you are on sarge, ntpd can't handle large time skips so you will need ntpdate to set it before starting ntpd installing both packagse does that as defautl on reboot |
| 09:31.58 | fluxdude | my ip_contrack_max is currently set to 65528 but I ran out of these and packets were getting dropped, so I want to increase it to 128000 to start with. Is there any problem in doing this other than using more ram? |
| 09:32.14 | fluxdude | Fox: thanks found it |
| 09:32.20 | sep | Werdna_, on etch you can use the iburst argument on the server line to make ntpd set time on startup. it's the default there and you wont need ntpdate |
| 09:33.00 | tuv | sep, so what's the ntpdate use case then? |
| 09:33.12 | Werdnum | I see |
| 09:33.19 | sep | tuv, people that dont use ntp ? |
| 09:33.46 | tuv | sep, why would i choose to use ntp or ntpdate? |
| 09:33.53 | fireba11 | tuv also lines that sometimes are too slow for ntp to work |
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| 09:34.29 | sep | tuv, ntp if you need to stay in sync all the time. ntpdate if you you have intermittant conenction |
| 09:34.36 | wols | tuv: I don't need super time accuracy, so ntpdate once a day (when pppd reconnects) is enough for me |
| 09:34.41 | sep | tuv you can forinstance run ntpdate when you dial a conenction |
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| 09:35.05 | tuv | sep, i guess i'll purge ntpdate then |
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| 09:35.29 | sep | tuv, unless your on sarge witch need it to set the time before ntpd starts |
| 09:35.41 | pngwn | 1 |
| 09:35.51 | sep | !dpkg ntp is also ntpdate is redundant post etch, ntp can handle large time gaps on startup |
| 09:35.52 | dpkg | sep: what are you talking about? |
| 09:35.58 | tuv | sep, shouldn't debconf have notified me about this on upgrading ntpdate/ntp? |
| 09:36.02 | sep | ntp is also ntpdate is redundant post etch, ntp can handle large time gaps on startup |
| 09:36.11 | ChrisW | 'ello all, anyone know what's up with the logwatch project? |
| 09:36.19 | quintin | I have a weird disk / partition issue. I restored this install from a backup with partimage. The backup was a 6.9G partition backup was 3.9 (that's how much used) I make 1 large /dev/hda1 for the target restore disc and restore to that. After restore, (20G disk) I have only 1.8G or so free, but the partition size is the full ~18G. ... so how do I get this free space back? |
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| 09:36.22 | ChrisW | seems their servers are screwed: http://www2.list.logwatch.org:81/lists/listinfo/logwatch |
| 09:36.26 | sep | tuv, it's in the docs /usr/share/doc/ntpdate/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 09:36.48 | quintin | IE I only have free space that the partition had before restoring the backup, but the partition I restored to is really much larger |
| 09:36.53 | tuv | sep, yea.. i just saw it.. but i won't read /usr/share/docs/ for every package i upgrade |
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| 09:37.00 | wols | quintin: what size was the partition that you imaged from? |
| 09:37.19 | quintin | wols: it was about 6.5G or so |
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| 09:37.28 | sep | tuv, luckily that's not our problem |
| 09:37.31 | tuv | sep, and i think this is a significant change in these packages that the user should be made aware of upon upgrade |
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| 09:37.57 | Smooph | http://www.carpenoctemlan.de/bi/index.php#5 |
| 09:37.59 | wols | quintin: is that the size of the partition now too? the size you get from "df" that is? |
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| 09:38.01 | sep | tuv, why ? it wont hurt to have both |
| 09:38.03 | tuv | sep, like the X11 upgrade pops a message on upgrading |
| 09:38.08 | goki____ | Is there a way to get back to the xorg configuration stage where you select the set of resolutions you want to use, after installation? |
| 09:38.13 | quintin | wols: so I have same free disk space as I had before....BUT BUT there should be much much much more empty space |
| 09:38.19 | sep | tuv, that might break, ntpdate will just be redundant |
| 09:38.22 | Smooph | hi somebody here who know how to get OSS Sounds forwarded to ALSA with the aoss thingy? |
| 09:38.24 | wols | !tell goki____ about drxx |
| 09:38.26 | tuv | sep, it's completely redundant |
| 09:38.28 | Smooph | sry wrong post |
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| 09:38.39 | quintin | wols: /dev/hda1 5.6G 3.5G 1.9G 66% / |
| 09:38.40 | miguelanxo_ | Hi there |
| 09:38.45 | mooded | hey all.. im trying to install debian on a athlon64 3500+, nforce4 motherboard, usb keyboard.. when the blue screens begin (choosing language, layout asf), the usb-keyboard stops working.. any hints what i can do about this ? |
| 09:38.46 | wols | quintin: no. cause the filesystem is only made for a 6.5G partition |
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| 09:38.51 | quintin | wols: but /dev/hda1 is taking up the whole disk. ~18G |
| 09:39.08 | quintin | wols: *sobs* |
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| 09:39.15 | sep | tuv, thy hopefully wont make annoying debconf notes becouse someone can't read the docs |
| 09:39.20 | wols | the partition is 18G in size, but the filesystem which is in there was made for 5.6G or so |
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| 09:39.31 | Mike_kayaker | mooded: Sarge install? |
| 09:39.34 | wols | you can try to perhaps resize it with gparted. might work, dunno |
| 09:39.51 | wols | quintin: next time use something like mondo for your imaging stuff, not just dd |
| 09:39.58 | tuv | sep, someone is not supposed to read all docs of everything he installs/upgrades, is he? |
| 09:40.06 | quintin | wols: did not use dd ! used partimage |
| 09:40.06 | miguelanxo_ | I'm using mount to remount the rootfs in a subtree in order to make a backup of a live system. Looks like I'm using the --bing option automagically cause I can remount / twho (maybe more times) |
| 09:40.12 | tuv | sep, that's a full-time job |
| 09:40.26 | lord_rob | Hi ! I have disabled ipv6 support on my SID box (no more sit0 interface). Now firefox and thunderbird can resolve names again. But aptitude and telnet still cannot resolve. Any idea what could cause the problem ? |
| 09:40.27 | miguelanxo_ | does someone know if mount an already mounted fs triggers the --bind option? |
| 09:40.51 | miguelanxo_ | what I'm doing is: say /dev/sda1 is mounted on / |
| 09:41.05 | miguelanxo_ | I do: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/backup, and it suceeds |
| 09:42.09 | goki____ | wols: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't give any options for screen modes or monitor settings |
| 09:42.11 | mooded | humm.. is there maybe any better place to ask for problems that occur during installation of debian ? |
| 09:42.38 | quintin | wols: any idea how to fix thigns? you use mondo? Looking at their site now |
| 09:42.55 | quintin | mooded: I've never had problem during installation |
| 09:42.59 | tuv | mooded, don't you like it here? |
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| 09:43.17 | mooded | tuv.. i might, if i would get answers ;) .. |
| 09:43.25 | mooded | quintin.. well theres a first time for everything |
| 09:43.31 | wols | quintin: I use neither. but as I said: resizing |
| 09:43.37 | sep | tuv, *shrug* true, but nobody forced you to install ntpdate it's not a dependency. and if you have a 24/7 server it will be just as redundant there |
| 09:44.18 | quintin | wols: resize... the filesystem, not the partition. hm! |
| 09:44.28 | goki____ | This is in testing, I get no options for screen resolutions or monitor |
| 09:45.00 | lunitik | goki____: /etc/X11/xorg.conf :/ |
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| 09:45.27 | goki____ | lunitik: yes I could edit that, but it seems like the reconfigure is broken |
| 09:45.28 | mooded | anybody knows a reason why a usb-keyboard wouldnt work while installing debian ? (sarge, nforce4-board) |
| 09:45.29 | tuv | sep, hmm.. i've been thinking.. i think i need ntpdate. it's a laptop, mostly connected, but if powered up out of home it will not be connected on boot (wireless), so ntpdate fired on ifup would be handy |
| 09:45.45 | goki____ | lunitik: it's also got something weird with /etc/X11/X and refusing to update |
| 09:46.06 | sep | tuv, so in your case ntpd is the redundant one :P |
| 09:46.26 | cydork | !tell goki____ about xorgmd5 |
| 09:46.42 | tuv | sep, well not while the laptop is at home. it's connected and up all the time |
| 09:46.43 | cydork | goki____: is that something releted to that? |
| 09:47.25 | sep | tuv, yes but how critical is millisecond time accuracy for your laptop :) |
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| 09:47.33 | goki____ | cydork: it's related, but it's a different file that it complains about, not the xorg.conf. Also that factoid thing on dpkg is slightly wrong, it doesn't tell you to diff the files, whereas the xmd5 one does |
| 09:47.38 | miguelanxo | Hi again |
| 09:47.48 | tuv | sep, so i won't use ntpdate with cron :) |
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| 09:48.10 | CAiRO | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.13 | tuv | sep, not critical of course, but overtime drifts accumulate |
| 09:48.26 | tuv | sep, and ntp can take care of that |
| 09:48.34 | cydork | !tell goki____ about xserver-xorg postinst warning |
| 09:48.45 | wols | it can, but how big must the drift be beofre it's annoying? |
| 09:48.47 | cydork | goki____: is that what it says? |
| 09:48.54 | tuv | sep, my uptimes are probably long for a laptop.. more like a desktop |
| 09:48.58 | sep | wols, or noticeable |
| 09:49.09 | goki____ | cydork: that's the one, is that a bug then? |
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| 09:49.13 | wols | cydork: do you know a way to set res and refresh in etch and beyond X? |
| 09:49.18 | goki____ | cydork: I've seen it on every testing install I've done |
| 09:49.26 | sep | tuv, run linnux 2.6 kernel on vmware esx 2.5 then you can talk about clock drift :) |
| 09:49.30 | wols | goki____: cause you hand edited your xorg.conf? |
| 09:49.32 | cydork | wols: doesn't DPMS does that? |
| 09:50.01 | goki____ | wols: never touched it |
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| 09:50.20 | tuv | sep, and use suspend/resume in vmware and both ntpdate and ntp are not enough :) |
| 09:50.20 | goki____ | wols: and the error isn't about the xorg.conf md5 sum, it is about /etc/X11/X |
| 09:50.28 | wols | cydork: well, I might to do my own choosing. the monitor might allow 640 but maybe I don't |
| 09:50.31 | sep | goki____, perhaps youv used nvidia or ati driver installer |
| 09:50.37 | goki____ | sep: nup |
| 09:50.59 | goki____ | As far as I can tell, a perfectly fresh install of testing will give you that error if you reconfigure xserver |
| 09:51.09 | goki____ | maybe it has to be on an ati card, not sure |
| 09:51.25 | wols | goki____: inly if you use fglrx I'd say |
| 09:51.33 | cydork | wols: the best way to set refresh rates is DPMS afaik. for resolution dont know if there any other option. |
| 09:51.46 | goki____ | wols: I'm using the "ati" driver |
| 09:52.17 | quintin | wols: crap this is looking like it's gonna be a HUUUUUUUGE PITA. cp -r to back up s ystem then restore? hah. hmm |
| 09:52.24 | wols | cydork: and how can the user influence DPMS? |
| 09:52.55 | cydork | wols: that is default in >= etch |
| 09:53.16 | wols | cydork: I know. I asked how the user can influence it |
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| 09:54.33 | tengulre | hi,all! why load sendmail is very slowly when boot time? |
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| 09:55.09 | tralala | tengulre: because it's making dns queries |
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| 09:55.18 | perlmonkey | hello |
| 09:55.25 | tengulre | tralala: how to fix it? |
| 09:55.33 | saad3000 | Hello, is there a HOWTO on installing xgl+compiz? |
| 09:55.46 | wols | tengulre: fix DNS. or don't use sendmail (the best option) |
| 09:56.05 | cydork | saad3000: if you are on sid try compiz with aiglx. |
| 09:56.07 | tengulre | wols: how to disabled sendmail? |
| 09:56.14 | perlmonkey | I've just started using my laptop again after a long period and I wanted to do an upgrade, but I am not sure whether my lappy is running old testing or current testing, dont wanna break my sys. How can I verify which one is it? |
| 09:56.16 | wols | tengulre: install a good MTA then |
| 09:56.29 | tengulre | wols: which MTA is best? |
| 09:56.34 | wols | tengulre: it will replace sendmail. gooc choices are exim4 or postfix |
| 09:56.34 | saad3000 | cydork: if am on dapper? |
| 09:56.34 | vorsprung | perlmonkey, cat /etc/issue |
| 09:56.36 | wols | !best |
| 09:56.37 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 09:56.38 | tengulre | exim4? |
| 09:56.45 | vorsprung | perlmonkey, or look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:56.50 | cydork | saad3000: then ask #ubuntu |
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| 09:57.07 | saad3000 | oke thanx! |
| 09:57.13 | wols | tengulre: between exim4 and postfix it's mainly a matter of taste. sendmail only if you really need especially sendmail which is basically never |
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| 09:57.25 | quintin | tengulre: I use postfix. sendmail sux |
| 09:57.35 | perlmonkey | vorsprung: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 - says testing in sources.list |
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| 09:57.40 | tralala | !start an smtp war |
| 09:57.40 | dpkg | exim b3at5 the p4nts 0ff Exchange |
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| 09:58.03 | goki____ | mail is crap anyway |
| 09:58.08 | wols | dpkg: try harder.you don't start wars with obvious things |
| 09:58.08 | goki____ | look at all the spam |
| 09:58.17 | tralala | heh :) |
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| 09:58.39 | perlmonkey | it's only possible to have mail without spam if you restrict who can send you email |
| 09:58.56 | tuv | wols, :D |
| 09:58.59 | Guerin | it's only possible ti have mail without spam if you never get mail |
| 09:59.06 | goki____ | I was spam free for some time, on multiple accounts, but somehow they found me in the end |
| 09:59.10 | Ronin | Guerin: never have email is the only way |
| 09:59.12 | Guerin | they always do |
| 09:59.13 | goki____ | I've had accoutns with no spam at all for years |
| 09:59.14 | tralala | !start an mta war |
| 09:59.15 | dpkg | postfix sucks |
| 09:59.22 | tralala | oooh, that's a good one |
| 09:59.24 | perlmonkey | but email is a great thing I think, maybe it's the single greatest thing of the internet? |
| 09:59.25 | wols | dpkg: that's better |
| 09:59.34 | vorsprung | perlmonkey, so that's sarge which is current stable |
| 09:59.40 | goki____ | I have no idea how they got my gmail address, since I've never given it to anyone |
| 09:59.48 | Ronin | perlmonkey: may not be the greatest but i bet its the most used/abused part of it |
| 09:59.49 | wols | perlmonkey: it's a fscking mess. not just spam. the whole protocol is awful by now. too many years of mucho cruft |
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| 10:00.02 | Guerin | but unchangeable because of inertia |
| 10:00.07 | perlmonkey | vorsprung: aha ok thanks, I am glad I didnt upgrade to testing then! I need to alter sources.list to stable now and upgrade to that first eh? |
| 10:00.11 | wols | Guerin: right |
| 10:00.18 | vorsprung | perlmonkey, yeah! |
| 10:00.31 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 10:00.37 | perlmonkey | thanks guys |
| 10:00.39 | wols | perlmonkey: do you run kernel 2.4? |
| 10:01.01 | perlmonkey | wols: on my laptop I am running 2.6.8 but on my workstation I am running 2.4 |
| 10:01.44 | wols | perlmonkey: which version (on the oldstable box)? |
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| 10:01.54 | perlmonkey | 2.6.8 |
| 10:01.56 | tralala | !rant |
| 10:01.56 | dpkg | i guess rant is why the hell are you still using [sendmail|apache v1|kernel 2.4], when it is as old as the hill. Get with the new stuff. |
| 10:02.19 | blondie | perlmonkey: get a new kernel :P |
| 10:02.19 | quintin | apache v1? |
| 10:02.20 | quintin | crap! |
| 10:02.22 | goki____ | You should have to give a $500 deposit to get a mail address, and if you are linked to spam 3 times, the address is removed and the deposit taken |
| 10:02.24 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:02.27 | goki____ | that would stop spam pretty quickly |
| 10:02.30 | wols | perlmonkey: that's sarge. or at least a sarge kernel if it's a debina kernel |
| 10:02.36 | blondie | goki____: no it wouldn't |
| 10:02.46 | blondie | goki____: you dont need an email address to *send* spam/email. |
| 10:02.57 | blondie | goki____: spammers just use others' addresses to send |
| 10:03.02 | goki____ | blondie: yup this would be similar to mail, but require authentication before sending mail |
| 10:03.03 | perlmonkey | wols: sarge = current stable? |
| 10:03.07 | goki____ | blondie: which is quite possible |
| 10:03.09 | wols | perlmonkey: yes |
| 10:03.09 | quintin | goki____: ehm.. ... wtf. stop smoking crack |
| 10:03.12 | perlmonkey | ok cool |
| 10:03.28 | blondie | goki____: not really. you'd have to ditch the whole current system and start again. |
| 10:03.33 | goki____ | blondie: sounds good |
| 10:03.38 | goki____ | blondie: it's just software |
| 10:03.42 | blondie | who are you paying that money to? |
| 10:03.46 | tralala | Now I know why Bill Gates couldn't stop the spam as he promised - he didn't have goki____ for a councelor |
| 10:03.51 | blondie | what quintin said ;) |
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| 10:03.54 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 10:03.55 | wols | blondie: the internet fairy. |
| 10:04.02 | cydork | heheh |
| 10:04.09 | blondie | if it's to me, then fine go for it :P |
| 10:04.19 | wols | you're the internet fairy? cool :) |
| 10:04.24 | blondie | also, when would you get the deposit back? |
| 10:04.27 | perlmonkey | spammers are sending mails now that are basically gibberish |
| 10:04.35 | wols | blondie: never |
| 10:04.40 | perlmonkey | to get around filters |
| 10:04.40 | goki____ | blondie: Whoever is in your will gets it |
| 10:04.48 | blondie | lol |
| 10:04.56 | goki____ | blondie: or yeah, just never refund and use the interest to fund whoever assesses spam reports |
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| 10:05.02 | quintin | goki____: I am actually in process of implementing this. Send me $250 before release date for discount special price for your EMAIL V2.0 email address. I accept cash, money order, Visa, Mastercard, cashier's check. |
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| 10:05.24 | quintin | goki____: after Jan 1st it is $725 pr registration though. Act today! |
| 10:06.01 | perlmonkey | what we need is tougher anti-spam laws internationally and big fines for anyone doing spam |
| 10:06.06 | Guerin | bah |
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| 10:06.19 | ALVAN | hi all |
| 10:06.19 | blondie | perlmonkey: impossible to enforce |
| 10:06.23 | Jack_H_ | hello world! |
| 10:06.29 | Guerin | you guys are stupid |
| 10:06.31 | ALVAN | what you recommand us a method for backup on a busy server without to cause high load |
| 10:06.44 | tralala | perlmonkey: no, what we need is world peace - once we have it the spam will disappear on its own. |
| 10:06.55 | perlmonkey | hehe what about greed |
| 10:07.00 | quintin | perlmonkey: I can go to any random wifi spot and send a million spam before anything happens. probably many million |
| 10:07.13 | tn3270 | there's a template for that Guerin |
| 10:07.17 | quintin | ALVAN: cp -r |
| 10:07.31 | blondie | or use tor etc to send them |
| 10:07.32 | anordby | perlmonkey: But what if the wifi owner has a knife ;) |
| 10:07.38 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 10:07.49 | Guerin | tn3270: that's what I'm searching for |
| 10:07.51 | vorsprung | basically there will always be spam with anything like email as people are stupid enough to respond to it |
| 10:07.52 | tralala | blondie: it will be rather difficult with tor |
| 10:07.53 | ALVAN | quintin, heh good one but if i have 50 Gb usage and i want to do all day backup |
| 10:07.54 | Guerin | butmy google-fu is weak |
| 10:08.00 | blondie | tralala: why? |
| 10:08.11 | perlmonkey | should the emphasis be on ISP's to get smarter in identifying and shutting down Spam senders? |
| 10:08.17 | tralala | becuse it doesn't relay smtp by default |
| 10:08.18 | ALVAN | that cp -r will finish very late and i think will cause load on the server |
| 10:08.20 | vorsprung | perlmonkey, no |
| 10:08.23 | blondie | tralala: oh it does |
| 10:08.33 | blondie | tralala: I've tried it (not spam, just sending to myself) |
| 10:08.34 | blondie | works fine |
| 10:08.37 | quintin | ALVAN: shrug... I've heard of amanda project..... might check it out. also zamanda |
| 10:08.38 | tuv | ALVAN, there are plenty of backup tools in apt. apt-cache search backup, and examine each one's description/website to find your target |
| 10:08.44 | Guerin | http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt |
| 10:08.49 | Guerin | there it is |
| 10:09.03 | vorsprung | perlmonkey, the only "solution" is like you said originally to identify all the potential senders you will receive from |
| 10:09.10 | perlmonkey | perl's regex is very affective against spam |
| 10:09.11 | tralala | blondie: hrm... that's not what the docs used to say when I read them, but well... |
| 10:09.11 | ALVAN | tuv i examine i have used boxbackup with remote backup |
| 10:09.11 | Guerin | fill those criteria and you'll make a million in six months |
| 10:09.15 | tn3270 | Guerin : lol |
| 10:09.23 | goki____ | quintin: heh |
| 10:09.24 | vorsprung | perlmonkey, but that is of course problematic in many ways |
| 10:09.29 | blondie | tralala: I know it's not, they lie, or just apply to some servers I guess |
| 10:09.45 | quintin | goki____: there is also currently buy 2 get 1 free special. |
| 10:09.49 | perlmonkey | it is, but you have to have safe email addresses I think for important contacts |
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| 10:09.58 | tuv | ALVAN, i use rdiff-backup, but it's python so it might not be the most lightweight, though it's got nice features |
| 10:10.02 | Guerin | â‚¥sg dpkg spam |
| 10:10.05 | goki____ | quintin: yeah, it would have to be a not for profit kind of thing |
| 10:10.08 | Guerin | oo, unic0de |
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| 10:10.50 | quintin | goki____: We are a not-for-profit! 503C, y0. |
| 10:11.25 | tralala | blondie: well, some server owners can decide to open smtp, but with it being off by default I guess it will be really difficult to send a mail (or you just got extremely luck) |
| 10:11.36 | quintin | unicode sux |
| 10:11.42 | quintin | I'm going to breakfast ! :-) |
| 10:12.17 | wols | tralala: you wish. this damn "cron" guy (I think he's seen Tron once too many...) sends me daily mails. damn spammer! |
| 10:12.37 | wols | even when there is no mailserver |
| 10:12.47 | quintin | wols: no shit? you too? hmmmmmm |
| 10:13.03 | wols | quintin: there must be a hacker conspiracy, I'M sure |
| 10:13.29 | tralala | wols: hehe :) |
| 10:13.31 | vorsprung | Guerin, thanks for that checklist. It is full of good stuff |
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| 10:13.40 | sinizzl | hello |
| 10:13.53 | tralala | wols: I was talking about tor exit nodes ;) |
| 10:13.55 | sinizzl | which version of debian must i choose when i wanna have X.Org 7.1 ? |
| 10:14.05 | quintin | wols: amazing. |
| 10:14.05 | wols | sinizzl: unstable/sid |
| 10:14.15 | sinizzl | is it really unstable ? |
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| 10:14.22 | wols | yes |
| 10:14.24 | wols | !unstable |
| 10:14.25 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 10:14.39 | sinizzl | hmmm |
| 10:14.52 | sinizzl | there are 3 versions, of it, rigvht? stable, unstable& testing ? |
| 10:15.05 | wols | more or less: yes |
| 10:15.15 | sinizzl | what about testing ? |
| 10:15.24 | wols | !testing |
| 10:15.25 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
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| 10:15.45 | sinizzl | ah mkay |
| 10:15.51 | sinizzl | and etch contains X.Org version ... ? |
| 10:16.04 | Jack_H_ | 7.0 |
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| 10:16.14 | cydork | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 10:16.17 | sinizzl | hmmmkay |
| 10:16.22 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.22 (etch), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 576 kB |
| 10:16.36 | sinizzl | !xserver-xorg sarge |
| 10:16.38 | yang | Is AMD Opteron 144 - an AMD 64bit processor? |
| 10:16.43 | sinizzl | !info xserver-xorg sarge |
| 10:16.51 | cydork | sinizzl: it doesn't have xorg |
| 10:16.59 | sinizzl | that's too bad, ain't it |
| 10:17.09 | sinizzl | aha |
| 10:17.10 | wols | it has XFree86 4.3 |
| 10:17.11 | cydork | sinizzl: why it has xfree86 |
| 10:17.11 | sinizzl | it has xfree?? |
| 10:17.13 | sinizzl | omfg ! |
| 10:17.22 | Guerin | vorsprung: ends any brainstorming scheme about spam pretty swiftly |
| 10:17.24 | lord_rob | :) |
| 10:17.24 | sinizzl | i thought this has been obsolete for years by now |
| 10:17.51 | wols | sinizzl: you need a better memory/brain me thinks |
| 10:17.59 | lord_rob | the xfree in sarge is more recent than official xfree 4.3 |
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| 10:18.22 | tralala | Guerin: the spmasolutions makes a good read :) |
| 10:18.55 | sinizzl | anyone knows a reliable binary distribution that contains Xorg 7.1 ? |
| 10:19.21 | cydork | !sarge xorg |
| 10:19.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 10:19.22 | sinizzl | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.45 | sinizzl | cydork: does it contain Xorg 7.1 packets for sarge ? |
| 10:19.52 | cydork | sinizzl: yes |
| 10:19.55 | sinizzl | wow cool |
| 10:20.03 | wols | cydork: 7.1? you sure? |
| 10:20.07 | cydork | hmm wait i am not sure about the version.. |
| 10:20.13 | sinizzl | :( |
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| 10:20.35 | wols | sinizzl: what extension? |
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| 10:20.47 | tralala | "composite" |
| 10:20.48 | Guerin | sinizzl: sinizzlix |
| 10:20.49 | sinizzl | wols: nvidia's alternative to AIGLX |
| 10:20.57 | sinizzl | kekeke Guerin :D |
| 10:21.03 | lord_rob | sinizzl: if you want the latest and greatest, you want sid. But if also want stability, then you won't have both |
| 10:21.06 | wols | sinizzl: link? |
| 10:21.14 | Guerin | sinizzl: after you build that software, which is basically still burning from having entered the atmosphere from Space Station Xorg |
| 10:21.31 | cydork | Guerin: heh |
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| 10:21.35 | sinizzl | wols: ain't got no browser irght here apart from links and copy and paste is a real pain in teh ass (aka impossible iwth no gpm) |
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| 10:21.54 | wols | sinizzl: wich domain? what keyowrds, etc? |
| 10:22.11 | sinizzl | !google nvidia 1.0-9625 compiz |
| 10:22.33 | tralala | no xorg 7 in backports |
| 10:22.40 | sinizzl | i'd like to even have a screen(0) but my ub*ntu screwed up my X |
| 10:22.48 | fluxdude | I'm trying to extract stuff from an rpm using alien but get the following horrible errors: http://pastebin.com/803899 . Is there anybody here with any experience of using alien who can help me out? |
| 10:23.17 | cydork | backports has 6.9 i guess |
| 10:23.21 | sinizzl | :( |
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| 10:23.52 | sinizzl | i.e. if i want Xorg 7.1 on sarge i have to compile my own packages ? |
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| 10:24.20 | lord_rob | telnet www.debian.org 80 --> telnet: could not resolve www.debian.org/80: Name or service not known . I'm pretty sure it's IPv6 related. Anyone knows how to disable ipv6 in debian completely ? I have already removed the sit0 interface, so now firefox can resolve again. But telnet/apt-get can still not resolve :/ |
| 10:24.44 | nelf | what package provides the /usr/bin/editor symlink? |
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| 10:24.50 | lord_rob | nelf: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 10:25.21 | tralala | sinizzl: or wait until it gets backported (released with etch?!?) |
| 10:25.33 | sinizzl | :( |
| 10:25.42 | wols | !tell fluxdude about locales |
| 10:25.48 | nelf | lord_rob: That doesn't create the missing /usr/bin/editor symlink. |
| 10:26.20 | cydork | fluxdude: why are you trying to install nessus with alien it's in debian. |
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| 10:28.11 | lord_rob | nelf: aren't you prompted for a choice to provide editor ? |
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| 10:28.39 | nelf | lord_rob: I am, and no matter which one I choose, there is still no symlink in /usr/bin/editor |
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| 10:29.12 | lord_rob | nelf: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2003-01-27 11:11 /usr/bin/editor -> /etc/alternatives/editor |
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| 10:29.32 | nelf | lord_rob: OK, I'll add it manually. |
| 10:29.58 | Jack_H_ | nelf: why don't you use update-alternatives --install? |
| 10:30.02 | lord_rob | nelf: create this link by hand. Then update-alternatives updates the link in /etc/alternatives |
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| 10:30.21 | nelf | lord_rob: OK, I created it by hand and now it works. |
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| 10:33.57 | lord_rob | nelf: there is a virtual package called editor. but either nano or emacs, vi, ... provide editor |
| 10:35.21 | nelf | lord_rob: OK.. not sure why the symlink wad.sn't there, as all three of those were installed. We did an upgrade recently on that server, so something must have gone amiss |
| 10:35.54 | lord_rob | ah I see |
| 10:36.45 | nelf | lord_rob: Thanks for the advice, though... sorted now :) |
| 10:37.22 | lord_rob | you're welcome. I wish I could find someone who could solve my problem also :) |
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| 10:39.17 | Fox | lord_rob: rmmod ipv6 ? |
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| 10:42.26 | lord_rob | Fox: yes |
| 10:42.42 | lord_rob | Fox: name resolving (DNS) actually |
| 10:42.57 | lord_rob | Fox: I'd love to disable ipv6 completely as it's useless |
| 10:44.48 | lord_rob | Fox: lsmod does not see ipv6 anymore |
| 10:45.58 | lord_rob | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 I used the method described here |
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| 10:50.08 | dusty_ | Hey guys I install debian sarge - got X / xfce4 working fine. Then went to install vmware, but it failed due to kernel errors. So I thought I would upgrade to sid, then upgrade the kernel, then install vmware.. well upgrade to sid, reboot, reconfiugre X (As it moved from xfree86 to xorg) and now when i type startx it loads to a blank screen then i cant do anything i have to hard reboot it anyone know what i am doing wrong? |
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| 10:51.24 | lord_rob | dusty_: you shouldn't have switched to sid for that |
| 10:51.30 | main2 | ive compiled a piece of software, now i would like to distribute it on other machines using a debian package (im using ubuntu) |
| 10:51.42 | dusty_ | lord_rob, what should I have done? |
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| 10:52.03 | lord_rob | dusty_: hmmm vmware needs to compile a module against the kernel |
| 10:52.08 | dusty_ | vmware worked fine with the 2.6.18 kernel but not with the 2.6.8 (not even after i installed kernel-headers-2.6-386 |
| 10:52.08 | main2 | 'creating a debian package' the first link on google dates from 1997 |
| 10:52.15 | dusty_ | lord_rob, I know |
| 10:52.20 | main2 | could anyone recommend me a good howto on making a deb package? |
| 10:52.26 | lord_rob | dusty_: when I ran vmware, I had a custom built kernel |
| 10:52.29 | dusty_ | lord_rob, that didnt work when i installed the headers it moaned about version.h |
| 10:52.41 | dusty_ | lord_rob, then its different. |
| 10:52.46 | tralala | main2: the new maintainer's guide |
| 10:52.47 | dusty_ | thats not the problem at hand anyways. |
| 10:52.51 | dusty_ | its the fact X doesnt work |
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| 10:53.30 | lord_rob | dusty_: then it's different, now for you |
| 10:53.32 | main2 | tralala: do you got a url? |
| 10:53.38 | tralala | main2: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 10:53.51 | dusty_ | what? |
| 10:53.53 | main2 | thanks!! :) |
| 10:54.00 | tralala | sure |
| 10:54.04 | dusty_ | Lets forget about that, any ideas why X doesn't work for me? |
| 10:54.20 | davi | How are the etch bugs?. What about doing an upgrade from sarge now?. Is is good idea? |
| 10:54.25 | cydork | dusty_: check your X log. |
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| 11:00.51 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:00.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd127 is < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that. |
| 11:02.36 | CAiRO | how can i turn off the animation in metacity when minimizing windows? |
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| 11:04.16 | MatBoy | Does someone know a good program to send SMS with a connected mobile phone to the system ? |
| 11:05.05 | jelly-home | MatBoy: gui or command line? |
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| 11:05.39 | MatBoy | jelly, I want to check mails in a mailbox... but I can make a workaround for that |
| 11:05.42 | MatBoy | so commandline :) |
| 11:05.50 | angerman | If I want to open a port (A:5000) and route that port to my box (b:5001) with ssh |
| 11:05.51 | MatBoy | jelly-home, ^^ |
| 11:05.55 | angerman | I'd use -R right? |
| 11:06.12 | angerman | something like: -R 5000:localhost:5001 |
| 11:06.31 | angerman | I have the feeling that 'localhost' is relative to the host though :( |
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| 11:07.10 | jelly-home | MatBoy: gammu, perhaps. |
| 11:07.22 | CAiRO | wow, irc really sucks meanwhile.. not even one tenth of my questions is answered |
| 11:08.07 | jelly-home | MatBoy: I haven't tried sending sms myself, but most other stuff that I tried worked with a Nokia 6230i. |
| 11:08.08 | CAiRO | nobody knows anything.. only lots of problems.. when i started using linux and debian some years ago, everything was plain but did run a lot more smoothly |
| 11:09.01 | perlmonkey | ahhh. I seem to have made a terrible blunder. I just upgraded my sys and got an updated kernel. (same version as existing kernel). for some reason grub didnt update or has gone wrong. On booting I get: root (hd0,2) Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x5. Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition. |
| 11:09.09 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 11:09.23 | Celeste | hi |
| 11:09.33 | wols | CAiRO: http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&hs=c6E&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=turn+off+metacity+animation+window+minimize&spell=1 |
| 11:09.47 | Mazingaro | I cannot remember |
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| 11:10.03 | wols | perlmonkey: on which partition is your / ? |
| 11:10.07 | Mazingaro | who told me about prelink bus error |
| 11:10.07 | Mazingaro | :) |
| 11:10.15 | DaveyB | Some how I must of removed the option for the shutdown button to be present within Gnome under the Desktop part of my toolbar. Does anyone know how, or where the option is to put it back on? |
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| 11:10.25 | CAiRO | wols: well, the funny thing is i have disabled the gconf key that says it would disable animations, but it doesn't work |
| 11:10.27 | Celeste | what is the "file system type" which I have to define for a DVD via the -t option in "mount" please? |
| 11:10.34 | perlmonkey | wols: I'm not sure, I only had two partitions, the other was swap |
| 11:10.43 | blondie | Celeste: try omitting the -t option. |
| 11:10.45 | MatBoy | jelly-home, thanks ! I want to use an old phone for it... throw it into the DC and let me SMS when my server is on fire :P |
| 11:10.52 | blondie | Celeste: or try iso9660 or udf |
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| 11:11.01 | perlmonkey | I'm screwed! |
| 11:11.14 | MatBoy | perlmonkey, that depends |
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| 11:11.45 | Celeste | thank you blondie |
| 11:11.53 | perlmonkey | it says: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro |
| 11:12.17 | MatBoy | perlmonkey, what says it ? |
| 11:12.29 | perlmonkey | when I try to boot |
| 11:12.45 | perlmonkey | even the same in rescue mode |
| 11:13.07 | MatBoy | perlmonkey, rescue it with knoppix :) |
| 11:13.24 | perlmonkey | I will have to download knoppix, is it big? |
| 11:13.32 | CAiRO | wols: lol, they renamed the gconf key to "reduced resources".. what i silly decision, that's what i mean, i don't have reduced resources, i just don't want that silly animation |
| 11:13.44 | MatBoy | perlmonkey, 650MB ? |
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| 11:13.53 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 11:14.03 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: have you tried changing the root command to root (hd0,1) just for fun? |
| 11:14.28 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: i havent, but I would need a boot disk first I dont have one :-/ |
| 11:14.53 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: Oh, so you don't have grub working? |
| 11:15.08 | perlmonkey | exactly, only one kernel and no way to boot now |
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| 11:15.18 | perlmonkey | foolish? |
| 11:15.21 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: but grub itself IS working? |
| 11:15.28 | perlmonkey | yes it seems to be |
| 11:15.37 | perlmonkey | I can boot into windows |
| 11:15.50 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: so type "e" to edit the command when in grub menu. |
| 11:15.54 | perlmonkey | okay |
| 11:16.05 | cydork | CAiRO: check /desktop/gnome/interface/enable_animations in gconf-editor |
| 11:16.09 | perlmonkey | woah |
| 11:16.24 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: go to the root line and e again |
| 11:16.32 | CAiRO | cydork: yes, i've checked that before, its off and still it shows the animation |
| 11:16.44 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:16.56 | CAiRO | cydork: i found out there's a gconf key "reduced resources", that changes the animation but also other stuff |
| 11:17.05 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: I should change root to hd0,1 ? |
| 11:17.13 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: that's a good guess |
| 11:17.17 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:17.45 | CAiRO | the gnome people managed to remove that many options that now nobody is able to get a propery configuration anymore |
| 11:17.54 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: try (b)ooting now. |
| 11:18.25 | cydork | CAiRO: apps>panel>global there is animations too |
| 11:18.40 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: worked thanks! I will have to sort out grub and make the change permanently eh |
| 11:18.46 | perlmonkey | oh wait |
| 11:18.46 | CAiRO | cydork: yes, for the panel hiding and showing |
| 11:18.58 | perlmonkey | Kernel panic: attempted to kill init :-/ |
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| 11:19.23 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: oh yeah, you'll have to fix the root=/dev/hdXX parameter to the kernel too. |
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| 11:19.45 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:19.56 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: it's probably hda2 now. Also the /etc/fstab will need to be updated |
| 11:20.16 | startxwhite | i am thinking about installing debian gnu/linux sarge on an old P120 64MB but i am not quite sure whether i should get debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso or the previous iso since someone told the september 2006 iso image has a lot of issues. Is that true? |
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| 11:21.14 | ribasushi | greetings |
| 11:21.18 | _cwr | hm, is there a fix being worked on for the apache2+php5 bug on testing/unstable? |
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| 11:21.48 | ciphergoth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:22.18 | ribasushi | If I bind-mount /sys on a second place in my tree, I get an error: '/etc/init.d/rc' exited outside the expected code flow. |
| 11:22.20 | _cwr | you could try sniffing on the device |
| 11:22.22 | _cwr | using tcpdump |
| 11:22.29 | _cwr | see if it starts arping, then getting replies |
| 11:23.01 | ribasushi | where do I start looking for what might cause this? (I figure some script calls exit when being stopped by rc, but I don't know which ones are called and in what order) |
| 11:23.13 | ciphergoth | _cwr: I tried arping, but it only works if you know the IP address of the device you're trying to reach |
| 11:23.20 | ciphergoth | it isn't responding on the IP address I thought it had |
| 11:23.28 | _cwr | what if you just tcpdump on the device? |
| 11:23.33 | _cwr | you don't see _any_ traffic? |
| 11:23.48 | _cwr | dont set an ip address on your working interface/linux bxo |
| 11:23.53 | _cwr | just tcpdump on it |
| 11:23.56 | _cwr | should capture all data |
| 11:24.11 | ciphergoth | no, but why would I? I'm not expecting the device to send any packets except in response to requests |
| 11:24.43 | ciphergoth | wireshark won't let me listen to a down interface |
| 11:25.00 | ciphergoth | I'm not sure how to bring an interface up without an IP address |
| 11:25.13 | _cwr | ifconfig ethX 0.0.0.0 netmask 0.0.0.0 ? |
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| 11:25.51 | ribasushi | ciphergoth: ip link set ethx up |
| 11:27.05 | DaveyB | Some how I must of removed the option for the shutdown button to be present within Gnome under the Desktop part of my toolbar. Does anyone know how, or where the option is to put it back on? |
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| 11:29.09 | fons | hi all |
| 11:29.19 | harold2006 | i'm having trouble using lame to encode an mp3 file from a wav file, no options seem to get right output file. hints? |
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| 11:29.30 | startxwhite | in regards to my question please see: http://www.debian.org/CD/releases/ |
| 11:29.53 | fons | I'm having a font problem since I upgraded my sid last time |
| 11:30.02 | ciphergoth | SIOCSIFNETMASK: Cannot assign requested address |
| 11:30.07 | ciphergoth | I've set an arbitrary address from a private network; tcpdump can't hear anything |
| 11:30.11 | ciphergoth | except my own unanswered ARP requests |
| 11:30.15 | ciphergoth | isn't there something like "ping" but that works at the level of the Ethernet protocol rather than the IP protocol? |
| 11:30.17 | fons | emacs and other applications which make use of bare X11 libs don't seem to find the fonts |
| 11:30.28 | fons | (no problem with gnome or kde apps) |
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| 11:31.05 | fons | I get the same problem with flash player |
| 11:31.20 | Fox | _cwr: ifconfig ethX 0.0.0.0, without the mask, to up the interface |
| 11:31.46 | ciphergoth | ribasushi: where does the "ip" command from? |
| 11:32.10 | fons | ciphergoth, there's nothing as ICMP in the ethernet layer (as far as I know) |
| 11:32.18 | fons | no ICMP equivalent |
| 11:32.34 | Fox | ciphergoth: iproute |
| 11:32.36 | startxwhite | the debian team says "we expect to fix this issue for r4" i ask, will r4 be release before november since etch is coming out in december?? |
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| 11:32.51 | Purice | hi there ... I just did an upgrade an apparently pango stopped working, and all my x fonts fail to render ... I tracked the problem at the pango-querymodules script that misses from the last version of the package ... does anyone know how to generate /etc/pango/pango.modules other than unsing this script? |
| 11:33.15 | fons | Purice, I'm having problems with x fonts as well |
| 11:33.17 | ribasushi | ciphergoth: iproute2 package |
| 11:33.31 | fons | Purice, are you using sid? |
| 11:33.35 | Purice | yes |
| 11:33.46 | fons | uhm, does it happen with every font? |
| 11:33.51 | fons | is gnome/kde working? |
| 11:33.58 | ribasushi | ciphergoth: ifconfig uses the old network interface symantics and does not take advantage of many many new shiny knobs that were introduced in 2.4/2.6 |
| 11:34.14 | Purice | fons, everything that uses pango |
| 11:34.28 | Purice | because it cannot find the pango.modules file |
| 11:34.46 | fons | I guess we are facing a different problem |
| 11:34.47 | ciphergoth | I can't find an "iproute2" package, only "iproute". I'm running testing. |
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| 11:35.32 | liable | iirc the call iproute2, iproute |
| 11:35.45 | Eulex | ciphergoth, right, no package named iproute2 anywhere in debian |
| 11:35.49 | liable | apt-cache show iproute |
| 11:35.54 | quintin | Anyone here use the quickstarter in Open Office .org ?? |
| 11:36.23 | ribasushi | erm right |
| 11:36.31 | ribasushi | but the program itself is iproute2 :)) |
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| 11:38.31 | morghanphoenix | X11 libraries or header files could not be found. Please make sure the X11 development package is installed on your system. |
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| 11:38.42 | lord_rob | startxwhite: I doubt that, but it could be true anyway |
| 11:39.06 | liable | mad_muppet: is that supposed to be a question? |
| 11:39.09 | morghanphoenix | libx11-dev, yes? |
| 11:39.10 | liable | morghanphoenix: ^^^ |
| 11:39.19 | mad_muppet | I performed an apt-get update for the dis and now I dont have eterm and cannot apt-get it |
| 11:39.30 | liable | morghanphoenix: if you have xorg, xorg-dev |
| 11:39.43 | morghanphoenix | Ah |
| 11:40.16 | morghanphoenix | Okay, now that one's not installed. |
| 11:40.33 | morghanphoenix | Thanks |
| 11:40.52 | _cwr | can apt-cache show the versions of the packages in the results? |
| 11:40.54 | Anarka | apache 2.2.3-2 doesn't pick up my index.php, always shows the 404 page... is there some module i'm missing or something ? |
| 11:40.55 | wols | mad_muppet: error messages are a very cool thing |
| 11:41.16 | Anarka | _cwr aptitude can |
| 11:41.19 | _cwr | Anarka: apache 2.2 and php5 is broken under unstable |
| 11:41.26 | _cwr | and testing afaik |
| 11:41.37 | Anarka | _cwr i fixed that... dl the php5 packages from incoming |
| 11:41.39 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.41 | cydork | _cwr: not on etch.. |
| 11:41.43 | mad_muppet | wols: couldnt find package eterm |
| 11:42.00 | liable | mad_muppet: etch or what version? |
| 11:42.08 | _cwr | Anarka: whats the url for that incoming? |
| 11:42.10 | Anarka | everything seems to be working but.... the index.php problem |
| 11:42.14 | Anarka | incoming.debian.org |
| 11:42.16 | wols | mad_muppet: what debian version? |
| 11:42.27 | mad_muppet | wols: sarge testing |
| 11:42.36 | wols | mad_muppet: there is no such debian |
| 11:42.43 | wols | there is sarge, there is testing, not both |
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| 11:42.56 | mad_muppet | wols: 1 sec |
| 11:42.59 | quintin | "plzhost.com" |
| 11:43.02 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=eterm&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 11:43.04 | quintin | zomg! Plz!!!1 |
| 11:43.08 | wols | !info eterm sarge |
| 11:43.12 | dpkg | eterm: (Enlightened Terminal Emulator), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.2-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 433 kB, Installed size: 1024 kB |
| 11:44.05 | quintin | wols: is that a terminal emulator that Doesn't Suck? GNOME default one breaks a lot of crap |
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| 11:44.30 | wols | quintin: they probably all suck |
| 11:44.39 | wols | usually enlightenment sucks in a pretty way tho |
| 11:44.47 | quintin | wols: in my experience, yea. esp KDE. I just want xterm ! |
| 11:44.56 | wols | quintin: then use it |
| 11:44.58 | quintin | wols: what OS is on your desktop? |
| 11:45.04 | liable | !why is eterm not in testing? |
| 11:45.05 | dpkg | eterm is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=eterm |
| 11:45.17 | wols | quintin: windows/sid dualboot ;) mainly windows |
| 11:45.33 | Fox | !nuke wols |
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| 11:45.45 | quintin | wols: that's like a refrain. as to I just want a terimanl not the BS that is in the ones that come with desktops |
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| 11:46.07 | wols | Fox: almost the the only thin I use is the windows kernel. excep calc.exe I never ever see a MS program |
| 11:46.19 | Fox | quintin: use xterm, x-terminal-emulator, uxterm |
| 11:46.52 | Fox | wols: I use my M$ desktop at work the same way ;) |
| 11:47.05 | cydork | wols: are you saying windows kernel is good? :P |
| 11:47.08 | wols | so what you use as a windows sehll or filemanager? |
| 11:47.44 | Fox | my desktop is just a *terminal*, I use firefox and putty |
| 11:47.56 | startxwhite | lord_rob: you doubt the debian official statement ??? |
| 11:47.56 | wols | Fox: you have a start menu? |
| 11:48.06 | liable | firefox is a terminal? |
| 11:48.27 | cydork | Fox: why do you use windows for that? |
| 11:48.28 | wols | Fox: that's a program by MS called "explorer,exe" ir exploder as I call it |
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| 11:48.31 | Fox | liable: I'm french, don't know the right word for 'un terminal' :) |
| 11:48.54 | wols | and explorer is a filemanager too |
| 11:49.00 | Fox | cydork: I have no choise, corporate windows licences, suport, etc... |
| 11:49.53 | wols | cydork: I do have to say it beats alsamixer... :P |
| 11:50.34 | cydork | wols: dont make me smack you again! ;) |
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| 11:54.36 | startxwhite | debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso has a lot of faults and forces you to get the bian-31r3-i386-binary-2.iso . r4 whre are thou?? |
| 11:54.56 | quintin | Anyone know a cool floating desktop thingie to show CPU / RAM etc? |
| 11:55.30 | liable | startxwhite: what is your reasoning for that comment? |
| 11:55.31 | cydork | quintin: i use conky :P |
| 11:55.37 | liable | quintin: gkrellm? |
| 11:57.13 | startxwhite | liable: please see: http://www.debian.org/CD/releases/ |
| 11:57.44 | cydork | startxwhite: r4 is not there yet. |
| 11:57.56 | startxwhite | that is my point!! |
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| 11:58.08 | morghanphoenix | superkaramba themes? |
| 11:58.20 | liable | startxwhite: sucks. no net connection? |
| 11:58.55 | quintin | I'll download some CDs for you! <3 |
| 11:59.12 | startxwhite | liable: you are on irc and have no net connection? |
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| 11:59.49 | liable | startxwhite: i was asking you... if you have net connection on the debian box, then you dont need cd2 |
| 12:00.07 | liable | you dont even need cd1, just get the net installer |
| 12:01.42 | startxwhite | liable: i have dial up so getting cd2 is a big hassle |
| 12:02.48 | liable | startxwhite: have you tried the installer or not. what tasks doesnt it do for you? it mentions some wont work, but what specific ones dont for you? |
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| 12:03.59 | liable | startxwhite: anyway, theres nought we can do about it. |
| 12:04.08 | DaveyB | Some how I must of removed the option for the shutdown button to be present within Gnome under the Desktop part of my toolbar. Does anyone know how, or where the option is to put it back on? |
| 12:04.43 | wols | startxwhite: using the netinstaller and only installing/downloadng what you actually need is the least hassle option for dialup |
| 12:04.51 | wols | least amount of downloading too |
| 12:05.03 | liable | DaveyB: its should be in the menu somewhere, it may even be a gdm option. try running gdmsetup |
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| 12:07.49 | startxwhite | wols: netinstaller? on a dialup? are you mad? |
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| 12:08.13 | liable | startxwhite: not really. i ran sid on dialup.. thats mad :P |
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| 12:08.58 | DaveyB | liable, don't know which option and can't see it in GDM setup. |
| 12:09.03 | liable | startxwhite: anyway, what are you wanting us to suggest to you to help? |
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| 12:09.26 | teclo- | hi there |
| 12:09.32 | teclo- | what is going on in there: |
| 12:09.33 | teclo- | [root@cobra] 13:26 /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.28>time make config |
| 12:09.33 | teclo- | HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep |
| 12:09.33 | teclo- | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:105:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
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| 12:09.36 | startxwhite | once you have installed debian gnu/linux using cd1 it is not a big problem to run it on a dialup. however, it is a HUGE hassle to perform a netinstall on a dialup! |
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| 12:09.44 | teclo- | sorry :/ |
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| 12:11.25 | liable | teclo-: did you install build-essential? |
| 12:12.01 | liable | startxwhite: so, how can we help, or are you just here to whine about it? |
| 12:12.16 | teclo- | liable: I think so... gcc, binutils, all that stuff is there |
| 12:12.35 | liable | teclo-: no, the meta package, build-essential |
| 12:12.39 | startxwhite | liable: i am thinking about installing debian gnu/linux sarge on an old P120 64MB RAM but i am not quite sure whether i should get debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso or the previous iso? Did anyone *here* have any issues with debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso? |
| 12:12.51 | teclo- | liable: ah, indeed it is missing |
| 12:12.54 | teclo- | liable: I'm installing it now |
| 12:12.57 | teclo- | liable: thank you :) |
| 12:13.29 | stew | startxwhite: either will work, we'd recommend r3 over r2, but if you install with r2 and apt-get upgrade, you'll end up with r3 anyway |
| 12:13.44 | liable | startxwhite: i would go rc2. at least you should be able to use all tasks, and just upgrade whatever security updates there have been since |
| 12:14.16 | liable | teclo-: yw |
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| 12:14.49 | startxwhite | libale: thanks for the advice. i will go for r2 iso cd1 |
| 12:15.03 | liable | np |
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| 12:20.47 | Piete | Hi there - is there a "proper" way of importing user accounts from another distribution which numbers UIDs differently? |
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| 12:24.12 | itc | need some help on english: what does Business Technology Trends mean? |
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| 12:25.26 | cCs-WiESEL | itc: in german? |
| 12:25.42 | cammoblammo | list |
| 12:25.46 | Ronin | heh cammoblammo |
| 12:26.01 | itc | no, in english |
| 12:26.02 | itc | :) |
| 12:26.04 | cammoblammo | :-{ |
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| 12:28.20 | Danamania | itc: I'm no business type, but it sounds like marketingspeak for "technology that companies currently favour to help do business". handheld PDAs, laptops, web applications, advertising via blogs, outsourcing, using too many consultants etc. |
| 12:29.34 | itc | thank you |
| 12:29.36 | liable | paying ceo's too much |
| 12:29.37 | startxwhite | i suppose some debian team members are here right now. so let me say this: for r4 there MUST be proper quality control before releasing iso images! |
| 12:29.46 | itc | so was a jood choice to name my company that way |
| 12:30.23 | Ronin | startxwhite: there is, |
| 12:30.24 | liable | startxwhite: give it a break. when you pay for debian, then you can start demanding shit. |
| 12:30.26 | Danamania | if you're consulting, sounds perfect :) |
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| 12:31.10 | itc | no, im selling servers and co |
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| 12:31.56 | dererk[w] | G'Morning/Buenos días! ?=¬ |
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| 12:33.37 | Ronin | startxwhite: what quality controls problems did you have anyhow? |
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| 12:34.05 | wols_ | Ronin: most likely "insufficient prevention of pebkack" |
| 12:34.17 | Werdnum | is there a package for php5-cgi? |
| 12:34.39 | Ronin | wols_: id bet money on that one |
| 12:34.46 | wols_ | !info php5-cgi unstable |
| 12:34.52 | dpkg | php5-cgi: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (CGI binary)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.1.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4506 kB, Installed size: 9720 kB |
| 12:34.54 | liable | no, he has a legite complaint. |
| 12:35.04 | Werdnum | php5-cgi - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (CGI binary) |
| 12:35.07 | Werdnum | yeah, fond it :-) |
| 12:35.08 | wols_ | liable: so he told you about it? what? |
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| 12:35.26 | liable | wols_: see issues for 3.1r3 |
| 12:35.30 | liable | the iso |
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| 12:37.03 | startxwhite | liable: as His Holiness says: it is not a matter of price but freedom and proper quality control. People do not pay for a lot of gnu/linux but that does not mean we should put up with buggy installers and stuff! |
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| 12:37.16 | Kartagis | hi |
| 12:37.41 | wols_ | still don't see any description of failed qualitycontrol from startxwhite |
| 12:37.44 | Kartagis | do debian CDs include GNOME? |
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| 12:37.49 | Ronin | Kartagis: yes |
| 12:38.00 | liable | startxwhite: so, how many *real* buggy issues have there been, reading from the page you linked? |
| 12:38.03 | startxwhite | vols: please see: http://www.debian.org/CD/releases/ |
| 12:38.27 | stew | startxwhite: if you have some free time, can you please help beta test the etch installer and fill out an installation report? |
| 12:38.32 | Ronin | noo not 2 problems? the numanity of it alll |
| 12:38.45 | liable | startxwhite: yes, they made a mistake, but you are starting to become obnoxious |
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| 12:39.05 | startxwhite | liable: a friend told me about r3 and mentioned friends of his who gave up on debian and slackware and swicthed to fedora |
| 12:39.21 | RobHu | Where is the option that controls whether a password is required for single user mode? |
| 12:39.26 | liable | startxwhite: thats there choice. |
| 12:39.44 | liable | startxwhite: how is that supposed to make me feel? |
| 12:39.51 | startxwhite | liable: exactly. but i do not have that choice |
| 12:40.14 | liable | startxwhite: so just use rc2. whats the big deal? |
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| 12:40.24 | _Gnea_ | !pastebin |
| 12:40.25 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 12:40.39 | Ronin | or just do what they say on the /releases page its not like its tough and time consuming to do |
| 12:40.51 | stew | startxwhite: this issue is just that if you want to be able to install ALL TASKS (desktop install / laptop install / file server / ...) then you might need the second cd as well as the first. its not a huge problem |
| 12:41.23 | liable | he just wants to bitch that its not perfect, for what reason, who knows |
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| 12:43.44 | stew | startxwhite: and this would only affect machines which want to isntall all of these tasks, on a machine that couldn't get to the network with a stock kernel |
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| 12:48.29 | _Gnea_ | hey guys, Xorg 7.0 in sid is being a punk. i get hardlocks when i try to run it. trying to determine if it's hardware failure or not. |
| 12:48.33 | _Gnea_ | ( 08:33 liable ) startxwhite: how is that supposed to make me feel? |
| 12:48.36 | _Gnea_ | oop |
| 12:48.39 | _Gnea_ | http://pastebin.ca/196257 |
| 12:48.41 | _Gnea_ | ^^^^ |
| 12:48.55 | eml | Hi! I'm having some troubles with adding URL-streams to xmms, but I haven't had troubles with this before. Mplayer plays the stream without any problems... is there anything I need to install to play .pls files from an URL? |
| 12:49.01 | liable | _Gnea_: its 7.1 now :) |
| 12:49.16 | _Gnea_ | liable: read the paste :) |
| 12:49.58 | startxwhite | stew: it affects a lot of machines. and my P120 64MB RAM comes to mind! |
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| 12:50.18 | liable | _Gnea_: oh, looks nasty. why not upgrade it? |
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| 12:50.23 | _Gnea_ | but it gets better... if i reboot, while the kernel is booting back up, the system hardlocks in the middle of the boot sequence |
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| 12:50.41 | _Gnea_ | if i turn it off for ahwile then turn it on again, it boots up alright, but the X problem remains |
| 12:50.43 | darkskiez_ | _Gnea_: run memtest86 for a day |
| 12:51.04 | eml | I did that... no errors :( What a waste of time! |
| 12:51.05 | _Gnea_ | darkskiez_: i don't have that kind of time. i have things that need to be done within 12 hours. |
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| 12:51.45 | _Gnea_ | hrm, but then i haven't checked the ram in awhile |
| 12:52.22 | darkskiez_ | _Gnea_: run it for 30 mins and see if it says anything then |
| 12:52.29 | _Gnea_ | ok |
| 12:52.37 | liable | _Gnea_: why havent you upgraded? 7.1 has been in for over a month |
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| 12:52.51 | stew | startxwhite: how exactly is it affecting you? |
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| 12:53.17 | _Gnea_ | liable: well i have to wait now |
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| 12:53.53 | liable | _Gnea_: well, seems like the sane thing to do, if it continues, then suspect HW |
| 12:53.55 | darkskiez_ | _Gnea_: if u have stuff you need done in 12 hours, sounds like you shouldnt be running sid. |
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| 12:54.07 | nash-20 | hi |
| 12:54.14 | nash-20 | do you have installed usplash? |
| 12:54.18 | startxwhite | stew: gotta go and fetch 16MB RAM for my P120. thanks |
| 12:54.43 | liable | troll |
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| 12:55.04 | xored | i just installed the new prop. radeon drivers 8.29.6, but i cant get them working with xorg 7.0 right now. i have loaded radeon as a module, drm is loaded too. I`ve putted "radeon" as driver in my xorg conf and loading drm, but he fails with "no device detected" |
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| 12:55.42 | yassinework | hi everyone |
| 12:55.46 | niru | today while i was creating deb package for kdebase package |
| 12:55.56 | niru | hello yassinework |
| 12:55.57 | yassinework | is there s precompiled package for mc on debian ? |
| 12:56.04 | liable | xored: um, the radeon driver is the oss driver. run aticonfig --initial |
| 12:56.11 | niru | I faced the following error |
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| 12:56.16 | liable | xored: its fglrx for the ati driver |
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| 12:56.34 | niru | dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file pics/wallpapers/default_gears.jpg |
| 12:56.36 | liable | xored: but the new fglrx does some weird shit to the file, so just run the script |
| 12:56.43 | xored | i want to youse the closed.source-drivers |
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| 12:57.00 | Braindead | yassinework: guess what? it's called mc |
| 12:57.03 | niru | what could be the reason |
| 12:57.04 | stew | xored: 'radeon' is the free driver |
| 12:57.09 | xored | not fglrx liable. that would be radeon i guess |
| 12:57.14 | kml | hi, i try to mount an nfs export and it returns this message: failed, reason given by server: Permission denied any ideas? |
| 12:57.19 | liable | xored: thats what i am saying! radeon is oss, the one you want is fglrx |
| 12:57.26 | xored | stew: thats the one i can get infos on the ATI side, right ? |
| 12:57.29 | yassinework | Braindead, i tried to search for it and i could not found any :s |
| 12:57.38 | xored | liable: the oss driver is much faster right now |
| 12:57.51 | _Gnea_ | darkskiez_: i've been running sid for years. i'm not the one you want to preach that to. |
| 12:57.53 | Braindead | yassinework: aptitude search ~n^mc |
| 12:57.53 | liable | xored: ok, good luck |
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| 12:58.01 | stew | xored: the free drivers from x.org/xfree are called 'ati' and 'radeon', the non-free driver from ati.com is called fglrx |
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| 12:58.35 | xored | stew: ok, one second, i guess iam mixing up something |
| 12:58.38 | kml | it possible re-export an nfs export filesystem? |
| 12:58.43 | darkskiez_ | _Gnea_: on the defensive! But you know what kids are like these das |
| 12:58.50 | xored | stew: the ati.com drivers are propert. right ? |
| 12:58.50 | darkskiez_ | s/das/days/ |
| 12:59.09 | _Gnea_ | darkskiez_: them's the breaks :) |
| 12:59.21 | varvar | I have a problem about bootsplash. |
| 12:59.30 | sep | varvar, mee to |
| 13:00.14 | varvar | I used to use kernel 2.6.15 which is recompiled to support bootsplash |
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| 13:00.31 | varvar | Now I use 2.6.16 and I want to use splashy |
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| 13:01.01 | varvar | but when I remove bootsplash,sysv-rc-bootsplash can't be removed |
| 13:01.21 | varvar | below is error message |
| 13:01.38 | varvar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.38 | stew | xored: the ati.com drivers are proprietary and non-free (as in freedom) |
| 13:01.39 | varvar | Testing if patches remove cleanly... |
| 13:01.39 | varvar | 10 out of 10 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file /etc/init.d/rc.rej |
| 13:01.39 | varvar | Patches would not removed cleanly. |
| 13:01.39 | varvar | Patches remove cleanly, un-patching files... |
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| 13:02.20 | xored | stew: so when iam getting the x11-drivers/ati-drivers iam getting the FREE fglrx ones, right ? |
| 13:02.42 | varvar | #flood |
| 13:03.16 | varvar | who can help me with the problem about sysv-rc-bootsplash |
| 13:03.27 | stew | xored: there is no free driver named fglrx. xfree and xorg come a driver named 'radeon' which is the free one |
| 13:03.42 | xored | ah ok, thank you stew |
| 13:04.18 | xored | i guess, 11953 FPS is ok |
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| 13:17.33 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 13:17.33 | dpkg | somebody said qotd104 was <overclocker> hi, i'n using x3270 to connect to a sco server, everithing works fine except the function keys, ideas? <asg> overclocker: do you have a license for the function keys? <overclocker> i just want to use the F-keys of my keyboard when i connect to the sco server, do i need a licence to do that? |
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| 13:20.44 | tralala | !qotd |
| 13:20.44 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 13:20.44 | dimir | You need to use an F-word to properly connect to SCO box! |
| 13:20.44 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 13:20.44 | dpkg | i heard qotd167 is <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
| 13:21.07 | cydork | hehe |
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| 13:21.29 | tralala | image processing, eh? |
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| 13:22.14 | Zomak | Hey. Im using TwinView and everything is workign nicely BUT.. i have two monitors (17" 1280x1024 at left and 15" 1024x768 at right). How can i adjust the resolution of left display to start from the bottom of the right screen, meaning the bottom of the left screen and the right screen would be in sync. now it syncs the up corner.. if you know what i mean |
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| 13:25.59 | cydork | Zomak: where does it sync now? |
| 13:26.28 | tralala | "now it syncs the up corner.. if you know what i mean" |
| 13:26.35 | Zomak | tralala: wait |
| 13:26.46 | cydork | tralala: no i dont :P |
| 13:27.05 | cydork | Zomak: check "ServerLayout" in xorg.conf |
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| 13:29.35 | Zomak | http://simppeli.org/~ville/snapshot3.jpg cydork there. Since right screen is smaller than left one, i cant see about 1cm from the down at the left screen. i want it to be that i cant see about 1cm from the up of the left screen |
| 13:29.45 | Zomak | http://simppeli.org/~ville/snapshot3.jpg cydork there. Since right screen is smaller than left one, i cant see about 1cm from the down at the left screen. i want it to be that i cant see about 1cm from the up of the tight screen |
| 13:29.49 | Zomak | fjafj |
| 13:29.50 | Zomak | anyway : |
| 13:29.56 | Zomak | cant even type anymore ;) |
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| 13:30.46 | Bombo | i got mysql-client-5.0 installed, what is the matching -dev package? $ apt-get install mysql-client-5.0-dev -> E: Couldn't find package mysql-client-5.0-dev |
| 13:31.03 | cydork | !tell Bombo about search |
| 13:31.21 | stew | Bombo: "apt-cache search mysql client dev" |
| 13:31.39 | _Gnea_ | ok, got memtest running |
| 13:31.43 | _Gnea_ | time for breakfast |
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| 13:31.57 | Bombo | $ apt-cache search mysql client dev |
| 13:31.57 | Bombo | gambas-gb-net-curl - The Gambas advanced networking component |
| 13:31.58 | cydork | _Gnea_: or time to sleep :) |
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| 13:32.05 | _Gnea_ | cydork: did that already :) |
| 13:32.14 | Bombo | what does that have to do with mysql |
| 13:32.31 | _Gnea_ | Bombo: apt-cache show gambas-gb-net-curl and find out |
| 13:33.16 | cydork | !info libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 13:33.21 | dpkg | libmysqlclient15-dev: (mysql database development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 5.0.24a-9 (sid), Packaged size: 6697 kB, Installed size: 18908 kB |
| 13:33.42 | _Gnea_ | mmmm blueberry bagels |
| 13:34.09 | Bombo | _Gnea_: so search is searching the description also, ok |
| 13:34.22 | cydork | Bombo: check what dpkg said ^^ |
| 13:34.26 | Bombo | i thought it would find just package names |
| 13:34.51 | tralala | Bombo: with aptitude search you can search only in the package names |
| 13:35.09 | stew | or with apt-cache search --names-only |
| 13:35.18 | Bombo | ok thx |
| 13:35.19 | cydork | tralala: there is a -n for apt-cache |
| 13:35.23 | dutche- | does anybody have compiled XEN in Debian?? I, getting this error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4009 |
| 13:35.44 | tralala | dutche-: xen is already in debian |
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| 13:36.14 | abrotman | tralala: not all versions of debian |
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| 13:37.21 | lokuciej | When I run an application via ssh like "ssh HOSTNAME xterm" I get the ssh warning: "stty: standard input: Invalid argument" Any ideas how to get rid of it? |
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| 13:37.36 | d0uglas | on a laptop with an ati radeon, to enable two screens on x, do i need to turn on framebuffer mode or enable some module? I can only get two identical screens, not one as an extension of the other... |
| 13:37.45 | dutche- | tralala, but I heard that the quota, iptables and support for dummy net. isnt in the .deb packs |
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| 13:38.19 | stew | d0uglas: did you enable Xinerama ? |
| 13:38.27 | abrotman | dutche-: wouldn't it make more sense to inspect the truthfulness of that before going off to compile your own ? |
| 13:38.28 | d0uglas | nope, i'll try that |
| 13:39.11 | easytiger | do i need to restart cron for it to pick up a new tab? |
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| 13:39.27 | stew | easytiger: no |
| 13:39.34 | easytiger | i thought so |
| 13:39.35 | f00 | aloha |
| 13:39.46 | tralala | ahola |
| 13:39.48 | f00 | question about the /etc/default system |
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| 13:40.07 | f00 | is the "scripts" below /etc/default mean to be edited? |
| 13:40.09 | _Gnea_ | !xen |
| 13:40.10 | dpkg | methinks xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 13:40.22 | f00 | I see there's some _ENABLE there, much like the netbsd rc.d system |
| 13:40.24 | dutche- | abrotman, but I just think that it would be true cuz its in the howto forge...and I thought they wouldnt put something stupid like this there....am I wrong?? |
| 13:40.38 | stew | f00: yes, they are there to give you a place to edit the startup behaviour without having to edit the actual init script |
| 13:40.42 | f00 | however under rc.d defaults are not meant to be changed, but overridden somewhere else |
| 13:41.04 | f00 | k |
| 13:42.29 | tralala | dutche-: what you're reading there might be outdated |
| 13:42.58 | easytiger | i'm trying to excute a perl script in a crontab and it isn't working |
| 13:43.09 | easytiger | any ideas or gotchas? |
| 13:43.12 | wols_ | f00: yes those files are to be edited |
| 13:43.36 | stew | easytiger: are you editing a crontab with 'crontab -e' or are you dropping a script into one of the /etc/cron.* directories? |
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| 13:43.46 | easytiger | crontab -e stew |
| 13:43.47 | tralala | easytiger: missing #!/usr/bin/perl? |
| 13:43.59 | f00 | thank you, back to work! |
| 13:44.01 | stew | easytiger: and is it +x ? |
| 13:44.06 | _Gnea_ | oh fuck! memtest is reporting errors up the ying-yang :( |
| 13:44.27 | easytiger | its chmod 777 and has #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 13:44.59 | cydork | easytiger: syntax errors?? |
| 13:45.03 | tralala | does it start at all? |
| 13:45.04 | stew | easytiger: you absolutely don't want a script executed by cron to be 777, make it 775 or 755 |
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| 13:45.21 | stew | (or less) |
| 13:45.47 | easytiger | i know.. i tried that in case there was a problem with that. script runs fine on its own |
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| 13:45.51 | _Gnea_ | darkskiez_: thanks for the suggestion, at least i know now the path i must take |
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| 13:46.33 | easytiger | how can i know if it has tried to run? |
| 13:46.35 | darkskiez_ | _Gnea_: did it report a failure? |
| 13:46.43 | stew | easytiger: are you using an absolute path to the script in cron? have you checked for email? |
| 13:46.59 | easytiger | yes.. and none arrived |
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| 13:47.46 | bab | I am trying to figure out how that start up scripts and rc.* works, when the machine starts up the script start up and the opposite for the shut down, but while the machine is running you can pass stop and start permaters to the start up script, how does the script know to start when starting even though no permaters are passed to it |
| 13:47.50 | stew | easytiger: does the perl script rely on any environment variables (like PATH)? |
| 13:47.53 | tralala | easytiger: put a code to touch some tmp file |
| 13:48.14 | easytiger | <tralala>: does it mail all output? |
| 13:48.15 | vorsprung | bab, runlevel |
| 13:48.33 | easytiger | <stew>: it only needs files.. but they are hardcoded |
| 13:48.38 | tralala | bab: man update-rc.d |
| 13:48.43 | stew | bab: those scripts should never be called without passing parameters |
| 13:49.06 | bab | so does the run level pass permaters to the script?? |
| 13:49.30 | stew | bab: when the system enters runlevel 2, for example, all of the scripts in /etc/rc2.d that start with S are run passing them "start", all of the scripts starting with K are run passing them "stop" |
| 13:49.53 | tralala | stew: I suppose init does that, right? |
| 13:50.08 | bab | stew, aha thanks that makes sense and clears up some confusion |
| 13:50.09 | stew | tralala: yes |
| 13:50.34 | stew | easytiger: what is the line from the crontab? did you perhaps get the time wrong? |
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| 13:50.50 | easytiger | 38 * * * * root /root/rss-tf-grab/rss.pl |
| 13:51.16 | abrotman | dutche-: i don't use xen .. i can't comment .. but i'd at least make sure before you head down the road of compiling |
| 13:51.18 | easytiger | originally want run as root btw |
| 13:51.29 | easytiger | *wasn't |
| 13:51.32 | cydork | easytiger: user cron only has m h dom mon dow command |
| 13:51.34 | stew | easytiger: i'm guessing that you don't have an executable named "root" in /bin or /usr/bin/ |
| 13:52.01 | easytiger | opps! |
| 13:52.06 | stew | easytiger: if you want it running as root, put it in root's crontab as "38 * * * * /root/rss-tf-grb/rss.pl" |
| 13:52.08 | Lamperi | :) |
| 13:52.09 | easytiger | :$ |
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| 13:52.47 | ji | Is there a command like "basename" in bash, but opposite? (returning the path, instead of the filename) |
| 13:53.07 | stew | ji: dirname |
| 13:53.17 | ji | stew, thanks alot |
| 13:54.17 | easytiger | 52 * * * * /root/rss-tf-grab/rss.pl : should work then.. it didn't run.. the root was a typo.. i had it right before |
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| 13:55.04 | abrotman | can't have a . in nit |
| 13:55.07 | abrotman | in it |
| 13:55.19 | abrotman | man run-parts |
| 13:55.34 | stew | abrotman: a . is fine in a user crontab |
| 13:55.51 | abrotman | i thought run-parts still handled those |
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| 13:56.30 | cydork | abrotman: runparts only handles crond.* files |
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| 13:56.42 | abrotman | see .. i'm stupid .. |
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| 13:57.52 | buffer | Hi all.. in installation of debian on vmware the step "Load installer components from CD" says "Failed to copy files from CD. Retry?" This is a second CD burned today.. |
| 13:57.54 | liable | abrotman: we know this |
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| 13:58.21 | liable | yum |
| 13:58.48 | xittum | buffer: start it "linux26" then if its sarge?.. worked here as far as i remember |
| 13:59.11 | buffer | xittum, yes.. started with linux26 |
| 13:59.16 | buffer | sarge |
| 13:59.28 | xittum | buffer: get etch then :P |
| 13:59.44 | easytiger | if i have a cronjob running just 58 * * * * /bin/ls will it send the output as a mail? |
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| 14:00.11 | buffer | xittum, why? sarge 2.6 is impossible on vmware? |
| 14:00.21 | intruder | easytiger: no |
| 14:00.22 | xittum | buffer: or try to boot from the iso... go to preferences forthe guest cdrom in vmware |
| 14:00.26 | intruder | easytiger: it will just ls |
| 14:00.39 | xittum | buffer: dont know but.. its not really a debian problem i think |
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| 14:01.00 | easytiger | <intruder>: how can i test if a job has run? |
| 14:01.06 | buffer | xittum, hmmm.. I'm using the vmware server.. and u? |
| 14:01.23 | intruder | easytiger: you would have to do something like ls > email.txt ; mail email.txt to@bla.com |
| 14:01.26 | xittum | buffer: server 1.0 (to lazy to upgrade to 1.1) |
| 14:02.24 | xittum | buffer: i know for sure the etch beta 3 netinstall works and boots in vmware server 1.0.. and i THINK i had sarge running also |
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| 14:02.44 | cast | hey guys, when i run pstree where there should be whitespace or lines there's garbage. also in ncurses apps like aptitude there's garbage around the border, any ideas how to fix that? wasn't an issue in sarge but is in etch |
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| 14:06.09 | enouf | cast : pstree is fine here, but aptitude used to display ugliness (rectangular boxes as fonts) around the borders - haven't looked lately - but check you fonts setings in xorg.conf - and maybe defoma |
| 14:06.13 | ribasushi | is there a standard way to set user's locale? |
| 14:06.20 | ribasushi | like some sort of local config or something |
| 14:06.29 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 14:06.40 | ribasushi | enouf: I am not talking about the system wide one |
| 14:06.48 | Decavolt | newb'ish question: when I do a: "ps aux | grep [string]" all that returns is "(standard input)" - what am I missing in that command? |
| 14:06.57 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.18 | enouf | no quotes |
| 14:07.22 | enouf | ? |
| 14:07.25 | liable | cast: utf-8? |
| 14:07.27 | enouf | Decavolt: |
| 14:07.38 | Decavolt | erm... I don't leave the quotes in :P |
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| 14:07.46 | Decavolt | ps aux | grep foo |
| 14:07.47 | enouf | :-) Decavolt |
| 14:07.57 | enouf | that should work fine |
| 14:08.06 | syntaxx | im having a little problem in adding windows rootnoverify (hd0,1) if my windows is in /dev/hda1 what should i put in rootnoverify? |
| 14:08.07 | liable | Decavolt: ps aux|grep getty |
| 14:08.20 | ribasushi | erm... |
| 14:08.26 | ribasushi | I was asking on per-user basis |
| 14:08.32 | Decavolt | Here's direct from my terminal: |
| 14:08.33 | Decavolt | root@herman:/etc# ps aux | grep bash |
| 14:08.34 | Decavolt | (standard input) |
| 14:08.34 | Decavolt | root@herman:/etc# |
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| 14:08.49 | enouf | ribasushi: then add it to ~/.bash_profile or .bashrc |
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| 14:08.54 | cast | liable: nfi. all i know is pstree works in xterm but not aterm |
| 14:09.01 | wols_ | syntaxx: hd0,0 |
| 14:09.01 | cast | ill take a photo :> |
| 14:09.02 | Decavolt | ok, guess I won't paste like that again... |
| 14:09.18 | ribasushi | enouf: so it is just a matter of a environment variable correct? |
| 14:09.21 | syntaxx | wols_, thanks |
| 14:09.22 | fresch | i did a grub-install (hd0,0) by accident and now can't boot the other os... is there a way to remedy that? |
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| 14:09.32 | enouf | ribasushi: pretty sure .. |
| 14:09.34 | d0uglas | when i try to install the fglrx module, i get this: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-1-k7/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted. Any idea what that might be? Thanks |
| 14:09.44 | wols_ | fresch: is the other OS on /dev/hda1? |
| 14:10.04 | fresch | wols_, yes, unfortunately |
| 14:10.10 | wols_ | d0uglas: are you root while modprobing fglrx? |
| 14:10.17 | d0uglas | wols_: yes |
| 14:10.20 | jetscreamer | hey how do i deal with ? in a filename with perl's rename. and what is the wildcard for one char in perl? |
| 14:10.24 | darkskiez_ | d0uglas: anything in dmesg |
| 14:10.33 | wols_ | fresch: if windows, boot with CD to recovery console, fixboot. might desotry your grub in your MBR, dunno |
| 14:10.35 | cast | eh. piping it into something fixes it -_- |
| 14:10.40 | enouf | ribasushi: as the user .. echo $LANG |
| 14:10.51 | liable | d0uglas: good one, never seen that error for modprobe |
| 14:10.51 | jetscreamer | i thought the wildcard was ? now i have files with ? in the name :( |
| 14:10.57 | enouf | cast: heh |
| 14:11.07 | fresch | wols_, ok, good, i thought i might have killed the ntfs file system |
| 14:11.19 | wols_ | jetscreamer: *nix can do that. I used MC to delete them/rename them |
| 14:11.21 | d0uglas | wols_: from dmesg: [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed |
| 14:11.26 | d0uglas | liable: thanks |
| 14:11.45 | d0uglas | i meant darkskiez: not wols: |
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| 14:12.19 | jetscreamer | you can use a w98 boot floppy and do fdisk /mbr btw d0uglas |
| 14:12.22 | enouf | d0uglas: id -u |
| 14:12.22 | liable | gartt: try another driver version, or prolly its the kernel thats causing it, try next kernel down |
| 14:12.27 | liable | d0uglas: ^^ |
| 14:12.29 | enouf | d0uglas: just t be sure |
| 14:12.31 | liable | gartt: sorry |
| 14:12.32 | jetscreamer | errr i mean french |
| 14:12.39 | d0uglas | enouf: "0" |
| 14:12.48 | enouf | d0uglas: yep ..that's a root |
| 14:12.51 | jetscreamer | fresch... whoever... |
| 14:12.59 | darkskiez_ | d0uglas: anything else in dmesg, just the 1 line ? |
| 14:13.21 | d0uglas | [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 374 MBytes. |
| 14:13.23 | enouf | d0uglas: are you using modprobe? or insmod? |
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| 14:13.29 | d0uglas | enouf: modprobe |
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| 14:13.45 | os_paran0id | Hello |
| 14:14.16 | os_paran0id | I`m sorry the question but what debian version do you recomend to me stable or the unstable? |
| 14:14.17 | enouf | heads of? .. fish-heads? |
| 14:14.17 | darkskiez_ | d0uglas: rmmod drm |
| 14:14.22 | d0uglas | also, do i want glx enabled for fglrx? |
| 14:14.25 | d0uglas | darkskiez_: ok |
| 14:14.27 | enouf | hehe .. heads off |
| 14:14.32 | cast | os_paran0id: not unstable. |
| 14:14.34 | os_paran0id | is to one personal desktop |
| 14:14.49 | enouf | d0uglas: no clue -- sorry |
| 14:14.50 | d0uglas | darkskiez_: ERROR: Module drm is in use by radeon. Should I get out of x? |
| 14:14.55 | os_paran0id | cast but the software is desactualizaed many ins`t it? |
| 14:14.57 | Ronin | os_paran0id: i run stable on my desktop if that matters any |
| 14:14.57 | d0uglas | enouf: np, thanks anyway |
| 14:15.12 | d0uglas | darkskiez_: i'll get out of x... |
| 14:15.30 | vorsprung | os_paran0id, I'm assuming you just want to install debian and have it work. I'm assuming you don't care about having lots of fresh new bleeding edge stuff installed. I'm guessing stable is for you |
| 14:15.37 | os_paran0id | yes but there are software like the new gnome i think :| last time i try to install it need to reconfigure all this :| |
| 14:15.41 | abrotman | os_paran0id: if you have to ask .. stable |
| 14:15.43 | darkskiez_ | d0uglas: ive never used an ati card, i think i've got you on the right lines towards whatever it is you're trying tho. |
| 14:15.56 | enouf | goota go .. bbl |
| 14:16.04 | enouf | meh |
| 14:16.12 | vorsprung | os_paran0id, stable doesn't have the new versions of stuff because new stuff is not stable |
| 14:16.30 | d0uglas | darkskiez_: i'm trying to get opengl apps working, i was told to try fglrx with this card |
| 14:16.40 | cast | os_paran0id: are you new to gnu/linux? |
| 14:16.42 | os_paran0id | i don`t know loo`k likephp5 is stable they say :| |
| 14:17.00 | os_paran0id | cast yes\no ... :| i linux a litle new ... +- |
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| 14:17.27 | cast | os_paran0id: go with stable, less time wasted fixing broken things |
| 14:17.29 | os_paran0id | yes linux newbie |
| 14:17.32 | esters | hello, how can i change the system time in debian / fluxbox ? |
| 14:17.50 | cast | esters: i grab the ntpdate pkg and use that :) |
| 14:17.50 | os_paran0id | ok gona to the stable |
| 14:17.51 | vorsprung | esters, man date |
| 14:18.01 | esters | ok |
| 14:18.05 | esters | thnx |
| 14:18.14 | os_paran0id | thanks :) |
| 14:18.18 | dorel__ | esters: date -s "hh:mm:ss" |
| 14:18.24 | jake1932 | my second nic is showing as "eth1_ifre". any ideas? |
| 14:18.47 | esters | dorel__: thanks a lot :) |
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| 14:19.41 | petemc | jake1932: ip link set dev eth1_irfe name eth1 |
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| 14:20.04 | jake1932 | SIOCSIFNAME: No such device |
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| 14:20.35 | jake1932 | maybe that's not the full name? i did an ifconfig -a |
| 14:20.48 | deego | has anyone else noticed that after yesterday's upgrades, the alt-tab task-switcher in kde has become "sticky" ? |
| 14:21.17 | deego | probably an xlib library breaking some functionality? |
| 14:24.32 | cast | shit. now rxvt is doing the garbage char trick with pstree too |
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| 14:25.10 | Bombo | dpkg -l libdb4.2 -> "ri libdb4.2..." how do i get the r removed? |
| 14:25.11 | dpkg | No packages found matching libdb4.2 -> "ri libdb4.2..." how do i get the r removed |
| 14:25.26 | wols_ | Bombo: install it? |
| 14:25.40 | Bombo | wols: libdb4.2 is already the newest version. |
| 14:25.55 | wols_ | --reinstall |
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| 14:27.24 | Bombo | wols_: ok thx |
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| 14:30.14 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: can you gimme some url to check for debian (or even linux in general) laptop compatibility? and recommended laptops? |
| 14:30.22 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 14:30.22 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 14:30.41 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 14:30.48 | abrotman | you're welcome |
| 14:31.18 | Jimmymaniac | now i have stuff to read :) |
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| 14:31.32 | jake1932 | etherconf detected the name of my 2nd NIC as eth1_ifrename |
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| 14:33.03 | ufk2 | ahmm.. |
| 14:33.09 | ufk2 | i want to install 32 compatability libraries |
| 14:33.13 | ufk2 | how do i do that? |
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| 14:33.35 | abrotman | on what? |
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| 14:33.45 | ufk2 | i want to be able to run vmware |
| 14:33.50 | abrotman | on what? |
| 14:33.50 | wols_ | abrotman: amd64 I'd say |
| 14:33.54 | ufk2 | oh sorry |
| 14:33.55 | ufk2 | amd64 |
| 14:33.57 | abrotman | wols_: he could mean alpha for all i know |
| 14:34.00 | cydork | ufk2: install ia32-libs |
| 14:34.08 | abrotman | doesn't he need a chroot for that ? |
| 14:34.16 | cydork | abrotman: nope |
| 14:34.46 | abrotman | is that only for etch/sid ? |
| 14:35.02 | ufk2 | thank you!!!! :) |
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| 14:35.19 | wols_ | abrotman: have you seen a sarge amd64 branch yet? |
| 14:35.27 | abrotman | not in a while |
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| 14:35.55 | KoCeTo | hi |
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| 14:36.33 | KoCeTo | bg imali |
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| 14:38.00 | infernix | would anyone know why debian sarge's mysql-server-4.1 is not build with phtread support, and whether that's good or bad? i'm migrating from a slackware built mysql and I am wondering how this might affect our application. |
| 14:38.17 | abrotman | ask #mysql if it's good or bad |
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| 14:38.24 | infernix | asking:) |
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| 14:39.13 | stew | infernix: if you decide its a problem we can tell you how to easily rebuild the mysql-server-4.1 package. check /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-4.1 to see if there is anything there about it |
| 14:39.31 | infernix | i know how, stew, np:) |
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| 14:41.17 | abrotman | channel protection ? |
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| 14:44.47 | q11 | it's a sendmail question , any idea why do i get a lot of "lost input channel" in my mail logs ? |
| 14:45.00 | q11 | i have milter-greylist installed too.. |
| 14:45.26 | q11 | more exactly is "lost input channel from [82.76.104.39] to MTA after rcpt" |
| 14:45.33 | q11 | why can it be ? |
| 14:45.39 | q11 | please help |
| 14:46.51 | PumpkinPie | use exim |
| 14:47.04 | q11 | no solution here .. it's not my server .. |
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| 14:48.55 | petemc | q11: it could be some clients responding badly to the 4xx message |
| 14:49.13 | petemc | or servers.. |
| 14:49.14 | q11 | how can i check .. |
| 14:49.21 | q11 | i don't know where to begin |
| 14:49.32 | petemc | google is a good starting point |
| 14:49.33 | abrotman | q11: sounds like a dropped connection? have you asked #sendmail |
| 14:49.33 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:49.51 | DaBlade | Hello. My USB pen's file system got sporked. I DD-ed off a copy of it. Can anyone help me extract the files from the image? |
| 14:50.21 | DaBlade | (The files and folders are all randomly named and randomly sized - The filesystem is completely destroyed it seems, but I believe the files are still intact) |
| 14:50.31 | abrotman | oh do you? :) |
| 14:50.35 | esters | which .conf file i need to add "startx" entry ? |
| 14:50.43 | DaBlade | abrotman: lol |
| 14:50.56 | DaBlade | abrotman: Can you help me out? |
| 14:51.13 | ji | esters, you don't add startx |
| 14:51.22 | stew | esters: install x-window-system-core |
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| 14:51.37 | abrotman | DaBlade: eh .. i've seen a file recovery thing .. can't remember the name |
| 14:51.54 | esters | stew: i have it already |
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| 14:52.01 | DaBlade | abrotman: Hmm... ok. That really doesn't help me though :/ |
| 14:52.08 | abrotman | it doesn't ? |
| 14:52.19 | DaBlade | I see you're in a good mood today. :) |
| 14:52.56 | _Gnea_ | ugh, 1434 errors :( |
| 14:53.09 | stew | esters: then you should also have 'startx'. is there an error message you are getting or what? |
| 14:53.15 | kingsley | Does any part of /proc report keyboard or mouse activity? |
| 14:53.53 | esters | stew: not really, i want to add startx to bootup |
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| 14:54.04 | esters | to make my default window manager start without login manager |
| 14:54.06 | stew | esters: you want to insatll a display manager then such as xdm/gdm/kdm |
| 14:54.20 | d0uglas | whenever i reboot i have to chmod /dev/dsp or the sound server crashes on start up.. what gives? |
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| 14:54.24 | stew | esters: you want to be logged in automatically? |
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| 14:54.32 | none_re | hello |
| 14:54.34 | esters | stew: exactly |
| 14:54.36 | ji | esteel, you don't want to.. be if you do, maybe rc.local |
| 14:54.46 | ji | esters, you don't want to.. be if you do, maybe rc.local |
| 14:54.49 | stew | esters: install gdm, and use gdmsetup to setup automatic login |
| 14:55.01 | stew | ji: there is no rc.local in debian |
| 14:55.15 | esters | there is |
| 14:55.18 | abrotman | DaBlade: no .. i thought there was some util to do it ... i assume it's vfat ? |
| 14:55.19 | esters | /etc/rc.local |
| 14:55.23 | Braindead | stew: there actually is now |
| 14:55.25 | esters | but anyway |
| 14:55.29 | esters | i will install xdm |
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| 14:55.33 | DaBlade | abrotman: FAT or FAT32, I'm not sure which |
| 14:55.42 | DaBlade | (fsck didn't help) |
| 14:55.44 | stew | esters: xdm won't let you automatically log someone in without patching it |
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| 14:55.56 | stew | bah, when was rc.local added? |
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| 14:56.00 | abrotman | foremost ? |
| 14:56.00 | petemc | Braindead: when was rc.local added ? |
| 14:56.10 | esters | stew: i will then use the manual login |
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| 14:56.16 | abrotman | !info foremost sarge |
| 14:56.19 | dpkg | foremost: (a forensics application to recover data), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.69-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 14:57.07 | abrotman | DaBlade: maybe mondo ? |
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| 14:57.16 | abrotman | !info mondo sarge |
| 14:57.20 | DaBlade | abrotman: Yeah, I just found that |
| 14:57.21 | dpkg | mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.04-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 483 kB, Installed size: 1388 kB |
| 14:57.24 | DaBlade | abrotman: I use Etch. :P |
| 14:57.30 | abrotman | it's still in there |
| 14:57.33 | Braindead | petemc: since 2.86.ds1-16 |
| 14:57.41 | Braindead | petemc: initscripts 2.86.ds1-16 |
| 14:57.45 | petemc | ta |
| 14:57.49 | DaBlade | abrotman: Because of some deps I don't wanna install, I'll be compiling it, but I will try it. :) |
| 14:58.24 | cydork | DaBlade: check testdisk too |
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| 14:58.32 | DaBlade | cydork: K, thanks. :) |
| 14:58.42 | goki____ | Why is there no diskdruid package? |
| 14:58.42 | Braindead | esters: poor man's autologin http://linuxgazette.net/issue72/chung.html |
| 14:59.04 | Braindead | goki____: debian is not redhat |
| 14:59.21 | goki____ | ok... what is the formatting tool run during installation? |
| 14:59.23 | buffer | xittum, hey... I'm using .iso.. installation OK... thanks for your help.. |
| 14:59.37 | goki____ | I tried parted and it doesn't actually seem ever to write the partitions |
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| 14:59.46 | goki____ | gparted never even manages to start up |
| 14:59.52 | goki____ | no qtparted package |
| 14:59.57 | wols_ | goki____: cfdisk for partitioning and mkfs for formatting |
| 15:00.19 | goki____ | I tried fdisk and mkfs, and I've got a corrupt SD card now :) |
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| 15:01.00 | wols_ | then try again until you get it right |
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| 15:01.07 | wols_ | and I said cfdisk, not fdisk |
| 15:01.17 | goki____ | yeah I noticed that, I'll install it |
| 15:01.33 | goki____ | so there is no functional partition editor on debian? |
| 15:01.41 | goki____ | (I'm not being sarcastic, just checking) |
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| 15:01.59 | goki____ | By editor I mean something with a GUI |
| 15:02.01 | infernix | does someone know why, on sarge, there's /lib/libc.so.6 and /lib/tls/libc.so.6, and why the former is compiled with linuxthreads and the latter is compiled with NPTL? |
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| 15:02.31 | jake1932 | (making a big of progress now...) when I bring my 2nd NIC up, I can't ping anything - just times out... any ideas? |
| 15:02.36 | jake1932 | s/big/bit |
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| 15:02.55 | wols_ | jake1932: wrong default gateway? |
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| 15:03.22 | jake1932 | wols_: that would make sense - I'll check |
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| 15:07.35 | xittum | buffer: NP :) |
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| 15:08.43 | OptimusPrime | i installed gnome-core on my minimal debian setup and now i cant see the debian menu and when i install other apps, they dont show up in the gnome menu. (since i cant see the debian menu, i dont know if they update in there or not) |
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| 15:09.12 | OptimusPrime | the debian menu is just a empty menu |
| 15:09.44 | cast | hmmm, i don't know if this is the answer but there is that menu pkg |
| 15:10.04 | xittum | there is a command -> update-menus |
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| 15:10.25 | xittum | ot try to log out and back in OptimusPrime |
| 15:10.28 | jelly | infernix: so one can choose the former implementation if [s]he wants? |
| 15:10.41 | abrotman | OptimusPrime: apt-get install menu menu-xdg |
| 15:10.46 | jelly | infernix: just guessing |
| 15:11.06 | infernix | jelly: that'd be my guess as well. how and when is the real question though, in my case specifically for mysql. |
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| 15:11.51 | infernix | jelly: a strings `which mysqld` doesn't show which libc it's using, for example. |
| 15:12.54 | uwe | hello, im facing this strange thing with two debain-amd64 installations, in /etc/passwd all users who usually dont have a login shell have /bin/sh! anyone noticed similar behaviour ? any ideas why this happens? |
| 15:13.04 | infernix | jelly: there's also no reference to /lib/tls in the source package's debian/rules. so which packages would use it, why, and how, that's still a mystery to me |
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| 15:13.23 | jelly | infernix: env. variable LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 will make the app use linuxthreads. |
| 15:13.55 | Fyre | hey, im botting the debian cd on my laptop for a fresh install it starts the booting process but then just ends up at a black screen in the middle of it any ideas? |
| 15:14.05 | infernix | jelly: so /lib/tls/libc.so.6 is default then, since /lib/libc.so.6 has linuxthreads |
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| 15:14.30 | jelly | infernix: ldd `which mysqld` will show which is used. the dynamic linker chooses which one, I guess. |
| 15:14.52 | infernix | jelly: yeah, thanks:) |
| 15:15.59 | DaBlade | abrotman: Neither mondo nor testdisk work. |
| 15:16.08 | DaBlade | They can't open the file. :/ |
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| 15:16.49 | cydork | DaBlade: testdisk does not work on images only foremost does |
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| 15:17.03 | DaBlade | cydork: Foremost? Ok. |
| 15:17.15 | jelly | infernix: try eg. "ldd /usr/sbin/mysqld" and "LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 ldd /usr/sbin/mysqld". There are also packages with more optimized versions of libc6, like libc6-i686 (for i386 arch) |
| 15:18.09 | uwe | hmmm, actually this is also true for a x86 machine i have !!! all running testing/etch ... any body notices something similar |
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| 15:19.41 | Fyre | hey when im booting with the debian cd on my laptop it gets through the booting process but then stops to a black blank screen can anyone help? |
| 15:19.57 | abrotman | vga=771 ? |
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| 15:20.16 | Ronin | Fyre: have you tried the 2.6 kernel or you using the default one in the install |
| 15:20.24 | Tuttle_ | Hi, is it clear now which version of MySQL will be part of next Stable release? |
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| 15:20.36 | Fyre | ronin, yes im booting with the 2.6 kernel |
| 15:20.40 | OptimusPrime | abrotman, i already have those two packages (menu and menu-xdg) |
| 15:21.04 | OptimusPrime | (talking about the empty debian menu) |
| 15:21.30 | yos | What i need to install to be able to se png ?? |
| 15:21.44 | cast | feh will do it |
| 15:21.50 | wols_ | a browser |
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| 15:21.59 | DaBlade | cydork: IT worked! Thanks! :D |
| 15:22.01 | peppet | uwe: define 'usually' |
| 15:22.05 | InfraRed | anyone remembers the bug in debian unstable which removed all the init scripts from rc3.d |
| 15:22.11 | InfraRed | which package was it and what was the fix |
| 15:22.30 | cydork | DaBlade: actully abrotman was the one who remembered foremost :) |
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| 15:23.17 | abrotman | cydork: no .. apt-cache search did |
| 15:23.24 | uwe | well, like user bin and sys and man and proxy and www-data and list and backup peppet !!! |
| 15:23.27 | abrotman | wtf did he go ? |
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| 15:24.08 | cydork | abrotman: :) |
| 15:24.13 | Charminthemoose | how do i set up a static ip on my box? |
| 15:24.16 | DaBlade | abrotman: Thanks :) |
| 15:24.18 | deceptacon | abrotman, im here |
| 15:24.24 | deceptacon | sorry about that, i quit by accident |
| 15:24.45 | deceptacon | (empty debian menu) |
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| 15:25.22 | peppet | uwe: in etch like in sarge and woody, for what I can see |
| 15:25.29 | simonrvn | !tell Charminthemoose -about interfaces |
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| 15:26.16 | abrotman | deceptacon: run update-menus |
| 15:26.25 | deceptacon | i do that everytime i logout |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | deceptacon: logout/login |
| 15:26.36 | abrotman | deceptacon: are you on sarge or etch/sid ? |
| 15:26.43 | abrotman | nm |
| 15:26.45 | deceptacon | sarge |
| 15:26.52 | abrotman | you're on sarge and have menu-xdg ? |
| 15:26.59 | uwe | well ... i have a sarge machine and its not the case there, so you suggest that in woody, sarge and etch it looks the same to you, all with /bin/sh ? |
| 15:27.02 | deceptacon | apparently |
| 15:27.18 | abrotman | did you install the sarge backport ? |
| 15:27.34 | deceptacon | im not sure :/ |
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| 15:28.00 | lunitik | deceptacon: dpkg -l menu-xdg |
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| 15:28.23 | lunitik | Backports have 'bp' in their version name afaik |
| 15:28.46 | deceptacon | version 0.2 |
| 15:28.53 | stew | 2.6.16-13bpo1 |
| 15:29.06 | peppet | uwe: yes |
| 15:29.58 | lunitik | deceptacon: grrr... '/exec -o dpkg -l menu-xdg | tail -1' in your irc client |
| 15:30.09 | simonrvn | uh |
| 15:30.15 | simonrvn | oh |
| 15:30.23 | uwe | well... thank you peppet ... but do you have any idea why? |
| 15:30.47 | OptimusPrime | ii menu-xdg 0.2 freedesktop.org menu compliant window manage |
| 15:31.02 | yos | how i install "FONT" my server dont see my PNG font |
| 15:31.03 | lunitik | OptimusPrime = deceptacon ? |
| 15:31.08 | OptimusPrime | oh sorry |
| 15:31.09 | OptimusPrime | yes |
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| 15:31.24 | bigwi1 | hi |
| 15:31.24 | lunitik | neat... anyway, thats not the backports version... carry on abrotman :D |
| 15:31.24 | OptimusPrime | ill stop talking from there, now. its confusing |
| 15:31.49 | bigwi1 | what to do if i would like to install apache 2.2 from package? |
| 15:31.50 | simonrvn | !blame abrotman |
| 15:31.54 | yos | !tellme -about font |
| 15:32.04 | yos | !tell me -about font |
| 15:32.21 | simonrvn | /msg next time, thanks |
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| 15:32.55 | bigwi1 | i use sarge + backports and i can't find an apache2.2 package |
| 15:33.17 | simonrvn | only hit sid recently ... |
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| 15:33.38 | wols_ | and is still not fit for public consumption |
| 15:33.42 | yos | any DOCS about FONT install ? |
| 15:34.04 | simonrvn | considering the massive changes upstream did, i'm glad the apache people took their time to do it |
| 15:34.06 | _Gnea_ | !fonts |
| 15:34.07 | dpkg | fonts is, like, check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 15:34.10 | lunitik | yos: PROBABLY if YOU look AROUND |
| 15:34.10 | wols_ | !teöö yos about msg |
| 15:34.33 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: sup foo? |
| 15:34.37 | simonrvn | yos: mkdir ~/.fonts; cp your_font ~/.fonts; fc-cache -vf; done |
| 15:34.39 | OptimusPrime | what do i ought to do about my empty debian menu |
| 15:34.49 | lunitik | _Gnea_: noda... bout to go out for the day :D |
| 15:34.54 | _Gnea_ | OptimusPrime: fill it |
| 15:35.05 | lunitik | OptimusPrime: 'menu' provides the debian menu... |
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| 15:35.17 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: you should get a pizza this afternoon ;) |
| 15:35.30 | lunitik | OptimusPrime: menu-xdg provides the freedesktop standard... |
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| 15:35.45 | yos | $font = 'arial.ttf'; |
| 15:35.47 | lunitik | _Gnea_: hmm... how comes? |
| 15:36.02 | goki___ | wols_: I can't seem to find cfdisk, which package is it in? |
| 15:36.05 | yos | simonrvn i have so in my php script " $font = 'arial.ttf'; " |
| 15:36.15 | wols_ | !tell goki___ about pdo |
| 15:36.18 | OptimusPrime | am i missing some integral package or some configuration mishap? |
| 15:36.26 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: no reason |
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| 15:36.33 | yos | yeah i havit ..tnx |
| 15:36.35 | simonrvn | yos: please don't /msg people without asking, thank you |
| 15:36.35 | lunitik | OptimusPrime: apt-get install menu ... grrrr |
| 15:36.40 | lunitik | _Gnea_: liar |
| 15:36.59 | simonrvn | yos: what's php have to do with fonts? |
| 15:37.06 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: oh ok, hunger has something to do with it :P |
| 15:37.12 | OptimusPrime | lunitik, already have it |
| 15:37.13 | wols_ | simonrvn: he has a php problem |
| 15:37.16 | mranderson | anyone has experience growing raid1 to a bigger size using mdadm? |
| 15:37.23 | simonrvn | then s/he should go to #php |
| 15:37.25 | wols_ | why php wants a particular font is above me |
| 15:37.34 | lunitik | OptimusPrime: then you should be finding a 'Debian' menu item at least... |
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| 15:37.40 | abrotman | OptimusPrime: update-menus should do it |
| 15:37.44 | OptimusPrime | there is a debian menu, but it doesnt have anything in it |
| 15:37.45 | wols_ | simonrvn: he already is. but too... challenged to interpret easy to read warning messages |
| 15:37.54 | abrotman | OptimusPrime: reinstall menu and menu-xdg |
| 15:37.57 | simonrvn | fuck, s/he could get the msttcorefonts and use the arial from there .. |
| 15:38.01 | mranderson | I'm trying this: myserver# mdadm -G /dev/md0 -z max |
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| 15:38.16 | lunitik | _Gnea_: hmm... strange recommendation... |
| 15:38.19 | mranderson | but getting this error: mdadm: Cannot set device size/shape for /dev/md0: File exists |
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| 15:38.31 | wols_ | simonrvn: if it's web based, it's still a stupid idea to proscribe a certain exact font imho |
| 15:38.40 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: well, i work up there for one more week, then i'm transferring |
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| 15:38.53 | lunitik | _Gnea_: where at? |
| 15:39.02 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: phoenix sucks, they wanted to raise my rent |
| 15:39.08 | simonrvn | wols_: no kidding. i've gone to the point of not specifying any font other than the generic family in my CSS now |
| 15:39.11 | _Gnea_ | so i said "cya!" |
| 15:39.17 | lunitik | _Gnea_: heh... I was planning on taking a trip to Tempe/Chandler etc |
| 15:39.19 | simonrvn | wols_: e.g., sans-serif |
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| 15:39.26 | mranderson | hello |
| 15:39.28 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: do it, i'm in tempe now |
| 15:39.28 | wols_ | simonrvn: and that's how it should be |
| 15:39.31 | mranderson | anybody |
| 15:39.34 | lunitik | _Gnea_: Phoenix sucks even with cheap rent |
| 15:39.38 | andreiutz | is there any filesharing program in debian packages ? i searched for one and nothing |
| 15:39.40 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: word |
| 15:39.43 | mranderson | problems growing RAID1 with mdadm |
| 15:39.48 | lunitik | _Gnea_: where abouts in Tempe? |
| 15:39.54 | abrotman | andreiutz: gtk-gnutella |
| 15:39.56 | OptimusPrime | abrotman, well im going to log out and log back in to see if reinstallation helped |
| 15:39.58 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: not near baseline lol |
| 15:39.59 | mranderson | anybody? |
| 15:40.05 | andreiutz | abrotman, tjanks |
| 15:40.06 | simonrvn | mranderson: hold please |
| 15:40.10 | abrotman | wouldn't that require lvm |
| 15:40.11 | mranderson | ok |
| 15:40.16 | yos | simonrvn i must be user or root ? to do theat ? |
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| 15:40.28 | lunitik | _Gnea_: whats wrong with Baseline? I used to live at the Raven right off of Baseline and like 32nd :( |
| 15:40.31 | _Gnea_ | abrotman: i thought lvm was an addon, not a requirement |
| 15:40.42 | simonrvn | yos: that was user stuff; that's for X fonts |
| 15:40.44 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: you been living under a rock? |
| 15:40.45 | lunitik | _Gnea_: although that place got shot up like a week after I move... ahah |
| 15:40.53 | _Gnea_ | ROFL |
| 15:40.57 | simonrvn | yos: anyway, i'm confused as to what you want exactly |
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| 15:41.11 | lunitik | _Gnea_: I knew the dude too... he got like 12 years :( |
| 15:41.15 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: uh yeah, i'm pretty sure the world is aware of the 'baseline killer' |
| 15:41.17 | simonrvn | mranderson: what's ls -l /dev/md0 say? |
| 15:41.20 | yos | simonrvn http://84.244.6.133/index.php?page=8&step=1&profile=new you cant see the CODE |
| 15:41.33 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: what, did he discover crack? |
| 15:41.35 | lunitik | _Gnea_: ahhh... thats further west... down by the jail afaik |
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| 15:41.49 | simonrvn | mranderson: does the raid partition exist? and sec, lemme remind myself of mdamd's options... |
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| 15:41.56 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: you're talking south mountain? |
| 15:41.58 | mranderson | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 9, 0 2006-05-13 18:24 /dev/md0 |
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| 15:42.06 | lunitik | _Gnea_: ahh... naw... hit someone... attempted murder :/ |
| 15:42.24 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: shit's crazy everywhere tho |
| 15:42.25 | dazjorz | Hey |
| 15:42.30 | _Gnea_ | it's just more laid back here |
| 15:42.31 | lunitik | _Gnea_: nah... like 30th Ave... |
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| 15:42.34 | mranderson | I changed my 300GB RAID1 to 500GB disks |
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| 15:42.46 | simonrvn | _Gnea_, lunitik: you guys mind? there's people asking questions here |
| 15:42.49 | mranderson | but no I need to grow to 500GB |
| 15:43.01 | lunitik | simonrvn: spoil sport |
| 15:43.05 | mranderson | because the RAID still show 300GB |
| 15:43.31 | wilcox | lunitik: simonrvn is right |
| 15:43.31 | wilcox | :) |
| 15:43.36 | lunitik | _Gnea_: heh... I'll prolly be at Az Mills later... thats off Baseline... meh... |
| 15:43.39 | lunitik | wilcox: suck up |
| 15:43.41 | _Gnea_ | simonrvn: yeah, i do mind :P |
| 15:43.45 | simonrvn | mranderson: mihgt need to sync it... also, depending on how you did that, you might not see anything extra |
| 15:43.45 | _Gnea_ | lunitik: /msg me then lol |
| 15:43.57 | mranderson | myserver# mdadm -D /dev/md0 |
| 15:43.57 | mranderson | /dev/md0: |
| 15:43.57 | mranderson | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.57 | mranderson | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.57 | mranderson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:44.06 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 15:44.14 | wilcox | lmao |
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| 15:44.37 | bigwi1 | bye |
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| 15:44.43 | mranderson | sorry |
| 15:44.49 | mranderson | I got kicked out |
| 15:45.00 | simonrvn | mranderson: that should be doing something |
| 15:45.07 | simonrvn | yeh, don't paste here :) |
| 15:45.09 | mranderson | the RAID is working fine and synched |
| 15:45.16 | dazjorz | Um |
| 15:45.20 | dazjorz | I bought a Sitecom WL-172 |
| 15:45.27 | dazjorz | Linux doesn't find it though |
| 15:45.32 | simonrvn | dazjorz: congrats |
| 15:45.35 | dazjorz | anybody can help me? |
| 15:45.40 | dazjorz | simonrvn: thx :P |
| 15:45.41 | goki___ | hm, cfdisk isn't all that bad |
| 15:45.43 | cydork | dazjorz: what is that? :P |
| 15:45.52 | dazjorz | cydork: It's an USB wireless adapter |
| 15:46.02 | mranderson | simonrvn: what did you say that shoud be doing something? |
| 15:46.07 | yos | simonrvn http://pastebin.ca/196401 |
| 15:46.11 | cydork | dazjorz: check http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ |
| 15:46.18 | yang | To use a program called "svn" which package do I need? |
| 15:46.19 | dazjorz | cydork: Ok thx |
| 15:46.25 | simonrvn | mranderson: never mind that, i need sleep hehe |
| 15:46.30 | cydork | yang: subversion |
| 15:46.31 | yos | i must install X11 |
| 15:46.33 | lunitik | yang: umm... subversion |
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| 15:46.43 | mranderson | ok, sweet dreams |
| 15:46.57 | simonrvn | mranderson: not leaving :) |
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| 15:47.16 | OptimusPrime | it seems as though my debian menu remains empty |
| 15:47.21 | wols_ | yos: why do you need arial specificially? |
| 15:47.35 | dazjorz | cydork: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_part.php?brandname=Sitecom - WL-172 isn't shown |
| 15:47.38 | wols_ | what if a browser hasn't arial installed, say, a linux system? |
| 15:47.47 | dazjorz | cydork: Any hints on getting the chipset? |
| 15:48.06 | wols_ | dazjorz: lspci -v prehaps |
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| 15:48.43 | cydork | dazjorz: lsusb even |
| 15:48.48 | simonrvn | mranderson: it's a RAIDwhat again? |
| 15:49.00 | simonrvn | mranderson: thank anyway :) |
| 15:49.03 | simonrvn | s |
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| 15:49.26 | wols_ | simonrvn: raid1 |
| 15:49.28 | dazjorz | cydork: interesting, lsusb reports Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0df6:90ac Sitecom Europe B.V. |
| 15:49.28 | dazjorz | :D |
| 15:49.33 | Charminthemoose | how do i get ifconfig? |
| 15:49.47 | simonrvn | what a weird error message. of course it exists ... |
| 15:49.57 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: "get"? |
| 15:49.59 | cydork | dazjorz: try it with ndiswrapper :p |
| 15:50.03 | petemc | Charminthemoose: you have it already, its not in a normal users path tho /sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:50.07 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: it's installed on every debian |
| 15:50.14 | simonrvn | Charminthemoose: it's already there. it "lives" in /sbin |
| 15:50.21 | dazjorz | cydork: Great, it's a Ralink |
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| 15:50.33 | dazjorz | cydork: Ralink, 802.11 bg WLAN |
| 15:50.39 | Charminthemoose | ah yes, |
| 15:50.41 | Charminthemoose | my bad. |
| 15:50.43 | Charminthemoose | :( |
| 15:50.44 | dazjorz | Thanks a lot! |
| 15:50.45 | mranderson | sorry I was out for a sec |
| 15:50.48 | mranderson | RAID1 |
| 15:51.03 | OptimusPrime | the funny thing is, my empty debian menu only happens during my gnome desktop, in xfce it shows my installed progs fine. |
| 15:51.16 | OptimusPrime | i wonder if that will help solve a mystery |
| 15:51.23 | OptimusPrime | anyone |
| 15:51.23 | yos | simonrvn can you see ?? http://pastebin.ca/196407 |
| 15:51.47 | dn4 | alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 40.440 msecs <-- I get this with qjackctl any ideas? |
| 15:51.53 | mranderson | simonrvn: I also tried to grow it to 400GB: myserver# mdadm -G /dev/md0 --size=419430400 |
| 15:52.03 | mranderson | simonrvn: but same thing |
| 15:52.14 | simonrvn | yos: yeh so? expected behaviour |
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| 15:52.53 | yos | simonrvn but no work |
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| 15:53.01 | simonrvn | deceptacon: try running update-menus as a user |
| 15:53.16 | simonrvn | yos: might not take effect in already opened X apps |
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| 15:53.40 | magnus | If you download the stable netinstall CD image, is it possible to set up software raid in the installation program? Or is that only in the unstable debian netinstall? :) |
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| 15:54.45 | Xteven | magnus : afaik, stable can do it |
| 15:54.48 | deceptacon | simonrvn, in xfce my debian menu is looking good. while on gnome the menu is completely empty |
| 15:54.54 | Xteven | but not automatically |
| 15:55.03 | deceptacon | what explains that? |
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| 15:55.41 | magnus | Xteven: What I am intrested in is if the installation software when I am installing debian, can be used to set up software raid. (dont want to use commands, and all that :) |
| 15:55.57 | magnus | if not, I just download unstable instead :) |
| 15:56.21 | simonrvn | deceptacon: dunno, but running update-menus might fix it |
| 15:56.36 | deceptacon | yeah ive done that already |
| 15:56.42 | simonrvn | :| |
| 15:56.51 | deceptacon | its really wierd. |
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| 15:57.19 | simonrvn | tried exiting gnome and coming back in? |
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| 15:58.57 | Xteven | magnus : it can |
| 15:59.27 | magnus | It uses the same installation program now? (earlier stable and unstable did not use the same installation program, so SW RAID was not possible to configure using GUI) |
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| 15:59.46 | dn4 | I get issues with Debian etch running rose garden |
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| 16:00.02 | olskolirc | hi guys |
| 16:00.06 | olskolirc | i was thinking............ |
| 16:00.07 | dn4 | who ever made the kernel in debian etch did not make the timer high enough to run rosegarden |
| 16:00.13 | deceptacon | simonrvn, nope. i still see an empty debian menu |
| 16:00.19 | olskolirc | what do you guys think about linspire? |
| 16:00.21 | simonrvn | :( |
| 16:00.29 | olskolirc | for sissies or is it cool |
| 16:00.31 | simonrvn | doesn't belong here |
| 16:00.34 | deceptacon | (in gnome that is) |
| 16:00.43 | simonrvn | this is #debian, not #linspire |
| 16:00.59 | olskolirc | would you have it simonrvn? |
| 16:01.12 | simonrvn | please drop the subject |
| 16:02.11 | deceptacon | mmkay. i dunno what to do |
| 16:02.27 | simonrvn | deceptacon: is there a /etc/menu-methods/gnome-panel-data ? |
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| 16:02.59 | deceptacon | yes there is |
| 16:02.59 | x_link | Hi |
| 16:03.01 | simonrvn | deceptacon: sorry, that "please drop the subject" was for olskolirc |
| 16:03.10 | JordiGH | Whoa. What's the dealio with iceweasel? |
| 16:03.11 | x_link | I'm new with Linux. |
| 16:03.14 | x_link | I need some help. |
| 16:03.15 | deceptacon | simonrvn, no i was actually giving up |
| 16:03.20 | x_link | Can I just ask my question? |
| 16:03.22 | wols_ | !tell x_link about ask |
| 16:03.23 | JordiGH | !ask |
| 16:03.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:03.30 | x_link | Okey. |
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| 16:03.51 | JordiGH | !iceweasel |
| 16:03.51 | dpkg | well, iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
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| 16:04.12 | x_link | I made my K Menu transparent yesterday, I want to make it more transparent but then I will not be able to see my letters cause they are black |
| 16:04.25 | x_link | Is it possible to change the color of the letters in the K Menu to White ? |
| 16:05.01 | deceptacon | simonrvn, thanks for helping. ill deal with this after i come back from class. bye |
| 16:05.07 | simonrvn | see you |
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| 16:05.52 | JordiGH | x_link: I think so... from the Control Centre, Appearance and Themes -> Colours -> Widget Colour -> Standard Text. |
| 16:05.53 | x_link | simonrvn: Can you help me ? |
| 16:06.05 | simonrvn | x_link: maybe, see the ~/.kde/share/config/ for something like desktop or menu |
| 16:06.12 | simonrvn | or that |
| 16:06.26 | x_link | I'm in Control Center -- Appearance & themes -- Colors |
| 16:06.34 | x_link | But I can't see Widget Color |
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| 16:07.09 | x_link | JordiGH: I can only see Window background and Window text |
| 16:07.34 | JordiGH | x_link: I think you want Standard Text. |
| 16:07.55 | x_link | ahhh |
| 16:07.59 | x_link | I'm sooo stupid |
| 16:08.02 | x_link | I see Widget Colors |
| 16:08.09 | x_link | Yeah,, I see Standard Colors |
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| 16:08.12 | x_link | I will try it out now. |
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| 16:08.45 | x_link | Yes it worked. |
| 16:08.49 | dererk[w] | It's very very stupid, but I can't reinstall grub |
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| 16:09.00 | stew | dn4: check the FAQ on the rosegarden site |
| 16:09.00 | dererk[w] | apparentelly I deleted /boot/grub |
| 16:09.15 | stew | hmm, i should probably put that info into /usr/share/doc/rosegarden/README.Debian |
| 16:09.21 | x_link | JordiGH: It worked, but now I can't see other letters cause they are white, like in the menus and folders |
| 16:09.38 | dererk[w] | Any suggestion ? |
| 16:09.42 | wilcox | rosegarden... |
| 16:09.54 | wilcox | strange name for a sequencer |
| 16:09.56 | wilcox | :) |
| 16:09.56 | JordiGH | x_link: :-/ I'm not sure there's a way to specifically make only the menu text a different colour. |
| 16:10.04 | x_link | Okey. |
| 16:10.07 | x_link | Thanks alot JordiGH ! |
| 16:10.09 | x_link | I really appreicate it. |
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| 16:10.31 | simonrvn | stew: oh, you maint it? |
| 16:10.32 | Tortanick | I was wandering, is there some app that turns you're debian system into a live cd? |
| 16:10.36 | cydork | dererk[w]: i dont know if confmiss will help, but it's worth trying or try update-grub |
| 16:10.36 | stew | simonrvn: yes |
| 16:10.39 | JordiGH | x_link: I guess we could dig through the kicker configuration files and see if there's something there we could tinker with. |
| 16:10.41 | simonrvn | cool |
| 16:10.48 | stew | simonrvn: since march |
| 16:10.55 | dererk[w] | cydork, nope, that will update grub list |
| 16:11.09 | dererk[w] | but I don't even have /boot/grub to install :-| |
| 16:11.12 | x_link | JordiGH: I'm relly new with Linux, so I don't know how to do that kind of stuff. |
| 16:11.22 | cydork | dererk[w]: what about confmiss? |
| 16:11.29 | JordiGH | x_link: Lemme see if I can do it... ;-) |
| 16:11.48 | dererk[w] | cydork, what's confmiss ? |
| 16:12.00 | dererk[w] | ! confmiss |
| 16:12.00 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 16:12.03 | x_link | JordiGH: Okey. Thanks ALOT man! |
| 16:12.10 | x_link | JordiGH: Can I talk to you in PM insted ? |
| 16:12.19 | x_link | I don't want to bother everybody here with my questions. |
| 16:12.30 | x_link | Maybe I will annoy somebody. |
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| 16:13.10 | JordiGH | x_link: Nah. As long as you're on topic, (KDE in Debian is on topic), you're allowed to talk in here. |
| 16:13.18 | amigo | hey i get 'permission denied' cannot execute bin/bash when i try to chroot into this other hd |
| 16:13.24 | amigo | s/hd/partition/ |
| 16:13.28 | JordiGH | x_link: Also, /msgs are kinda unwieldy for me. I'm using text-based BitchX. |
| 16:13.41 | amigo | use irssi |
| 16:13.43 | x_link | I'm using irssi |
| 16:13.54 | JordiGH | x_link: I'm digging around. I'm not even sure if it's kicker what is responsible for the K menu. |
| 16:13.58 | cydork | irssi rocks!! |
| 16:14.09 | stew | x_link: its better if you talk in here, that way, others can help / benefit |
| 16:14.13 | JordiGH | Some day, I'll be able to say that I'm using BitchX without everyone telling me that I should be using irssi instead. |
| 16:14.18 | x_link | stew: Yeah. |
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| 16:14.28 | JordiGH | irssi isn't colourised on this OpenBSD terminal. |
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| 16:14.39 | x_link | I just don't want to bother naybody |
| 16:14.46 | x_link | JordiGH: There is themes on www.irssi.org |
| 16:14.56 | x_link | ahh no color at all. |
| 16:14.58 | x_link | Sorry. |
| 16:15.03 | x_link | hrmmm |
| 16:15.05 | Bhavesh | i started using irssi a few weeks ago and i am loving it |
| 16:15.05 | x_link | This might work. |
| 16:15.06 | jetx | so why do i get permission denied .. is it the mount options? i tried adding exec no joy |
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| 16:15.09 | x_link | If I make the letteres grey. |
| 16:15.12 | dererk[w] | cydork, no luck |
| 16:15.16 | x_link | Bhavesh: I like it alot also. |
| 16:15.24 | wols_ | JordiGH: that day will never come :) |
| 16:15.26 | JordiGH | x_link: It's an issue with the OpenBSD terminal, something my sysadmin can't/won't fix. It's beyond my control. BitchX is colourised, however. I had to get it myself and put it in my ~/bin, though. |
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| 16:15.41 | dererk[w] | there aren't all those "stage" files in there |
| 16:15.49 | dererk[w] | I remember doing that once before |
| 16:15.52 | sarefo | how can i test if my eth1 connection is working? i have everything running over eth0 (normal ethernet cable) but would like to test my wireless connection, *without* turning off eth0 (i need this for internet right now). |
| 16:15.54 | dererk[w] | but now I can't remember |
| 16:16.05 | jetx | grub-install maybe dererk[w] |
| 16:16.10 | jetx | or... |
| 16:16.15 | jetx | there's embed i think |
| 16:16.28 | wols_ | dererk[w]: reinstall grub, force it to reinstall |
| 16:16.31 | dererk[w] | jetx, as I said |
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| 16:16.38 | wols_ | dererk[w]: via apt/dpkg that is |
| 16:16.38 | dererk[w] | I've no files in /boot/grub |
| 16:16.43 | dererk[w] | :-\ |
| 16:16.54 | dererk[w] | wols_, already done it |
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| 16:16.59 | dererk[w] | apt-get --reinstall install grub |
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| 16:17.07 | wols_ | dererk[w]: and? |
| 16:17.14 | dererk[w] | and nothing .... |
| 16:17.16 | JordiGH | !info kbfx |
| 16:17.22 | dpkg | kbfx: (an alternative to K-Menu for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.4.9.2~rc2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1255 kB, Installed size: 3484 kB |
| 16:17.27 | JordiGH | Hm, interesting. |
| 16:17.48 | wols_ | dererk[w]: run grub |
| 16:17.54 | x_link | JordiGH: I will be back in 2 minutes again |
| 16:17.59 | dererk[w] | wols_, ok, then ? |
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| 16:18.20 | wols_ | dererk[w]: setup it again. or run grub-install right now |
| 16:18.26 | dererk[w] | ... |
| 16:18.30 | dererk[w] | you don't follow me |
| 16:18.44 | keith | Hum if i want to back a complete backup of a remote server using rsync wats the best option? |
| 16:18.54 | valdyn | dererk[w]: purge grub and install it after that |
| 16:18.57 | keith | And what dir should i Exclude #? |
| 16:19.01 | valdyn | dererk[w]: or /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:19.03 | dererk[w] | valdyn, have just done that |
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| 16:19.16 | wols_ | dererk[w]: ever looked into /sbin/ to check for grub there? |
| 16:19.35 | dererk[w] | wols_, grub-install looks for /boot/grub info |
| 16:19.40 | dererk[w] | which isn't ... |
| 16:19.44 | dererk[w] | you follow me? |
| 16:19.55 | wols_ | dererk[w]: what kind of info? do you follow me? |
| 16:19.56 | dererk[w] | which isn't there* ... |
| 16:20.00 | valdyn | dererk[w]: run 'update-grub' |
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| 16:20.04 | wols_ | anything in /bin/grub is generated |
| 16:20.17 | dererk[w] | I'm afraid nobody follows me :-| |
| 16:20.24 | JordiGH | Any ETA on iceweasel? |
| 16:20.34 | wols_ | dererk[w]: I'm afraid you don't make yourself clear either |
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| 16:20.46 | wols_ | dererk[w]: what is the error message(s) you get for example? |
| 16:20.46 | cydork | wols_: he deleted /boot/grub |
| 16:20.47 | dererk[w] | wols_, Ok I'll try again |
| 16:20.59 | dererk[w] | I accidentally overide /boot/grub |
| 16:21.04 | dererk[w] | NO FILE inside there |
| 16:21.05 | wols_ | cydork: sure. but boot/grub info is not magically there. it'S generated |
| 16:21.08 | valdyn | !tell dererk[w] -about enter |
| 16:21.27 | JordiGH | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel <-- This says that "Debian was given permission to use the the trademarks". DFSG violation, innit? |
| 16:21.32 | dn4 | stew, Yep who ever compiled the etch kernel did not account for rosegarden, i'm going ot recompile my own kernel at this point |
| 16:21.35 | cydork | wols_: ya i thought update-grup generates that. |
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| 16:21.41 | Kartagis | later |
| 16:21.46 | cydork | wols_: it creates default atleast |
| 16:21.48 | dererk[w] | cydork, no |
| 16:21.57 | dererk[w] | update-grub regenerates menu.lst |
| 16:21.59 | dererk[w] | just that |
| 16:22.04 | wols_ | cydork: devicemap is probably the problem |
| 16:22.25 | wols_ | but since dererk[w] is obviously unable to paste error messages... *shrug* |
| 16:22.25 | jetx | enter the grub shell and type help, then type help install |
| 16:22.35 | cydork | no wait grub-set-default generates default file. |
| 16:22.38 | dererk[w] | wols_, ... no error at all |
| 16:22.45 | dererk[w] | >_< |
| 16:22.51 | jetx | gtg |
| 16:22.58 | dererk[w] | god, is it so difficult to understand me ? |
| 16:22.59 | dererk[w] | :-| |
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| 16:23.12 | valdyn | dererk[w]: is it so difficult to use enter properly? |
| 16:23.18 | wols_ | dererk[w]: sda or hda? |
| 16:23.25 | x_link | hrmm |
| 16:23.38 | wols_ | valdyn: screw enter. understanding what we tell him would be a big bonus |
| 16:23.48 | stew | dn4: i'm filing a bug to remind myself to fix the documentation in /usr/share/doc/rosegarden/README.Debian about this |
| 16:23.50 | x_link | Seems like the people here on freenode is MUCH nicer then the people on DALnet |
| 16:23.54 | jair | hello guys, where is the nfile where I check that my debian(router) running dhcp is giving ips to clients and those kind of details? |
| 16:24.04 | dererk[w] | valdyn, I'm afraid I don't get your idea |
| 16:24.09 | grendelson | I've been googling ad can't fid a linux image viewer for jp2 (jpeg 2000) file types? Anyone able to point a debian package out that can view these (using debian testing but dont mindpinning an unstable if needed) |
| 16:24.11 | wols_ | x_link: we're not nice. trust me there :) |
| 16:24.11 | x_link | The people in the Linux channels are not that special friendly. |
| 16:24.12 | valdyn | !tell dererk[w] -about enter |
| 16:24.18 | x_link | wols_: hehe okey. |
| 16:24.22 | x_link | I was wrong then. |
| 16:24.24 | cydork | jair: /etc/dhcpd.conf? |
| 16:24.27 | valdyn | dererk[w]: dpkg should have told you twice now |
| 16:24.27 | dererk[w] | valdyn, I don't do that |
| 16:24.39 | wols_ | dererk[w]: sda or hda? |
| 16:24.40 | JordiGH | x_link: Free software. We're all in it together. :-) |
| 16:24.42 | jair | cydork: hmmm the configuration files? |
| 16:24.46 | dererk[w] | wols_, sorry, hda |
| 16:24.49 | x_link | wols_: I'm new with Linux. Only been like 3 weeks now. I REALLY like it and I really want to learn it better. |
| 16:24.55 | jair | cydork: I am talking about logs etc.. |
| 16:24.58 | x_link | JordiGH: Yean =) |
| 16:25.01 | botch | hello unix printers! |
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| 16:25.14 | x_link | Can I stay here on this server/channel ? |
| 16:25.21 | wols_ | dererk[w]: dererk[w] create a file device.map in /boot/grub/. single line: (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 16:25.25 | botch | i'm looking for a possibility to authenticate users against an ldap directory |
| 16:25.26 | valdyn | x_link: sure, why couldnt you |
| 16:25.30 | x_link | OKey. |
| 16:25.32 | x_link | Thanks! |
| 16:25.34 | botch | ist there such a feature in cups? |
| 16:25.45 | dn4 | stew, send me a link when your done, I want to see what yuo have to say |
| 16:25.46 | x_link | My english is not that good though. So maybe sometimes you will not understand me perfectly. |
| 16:25.48 | dererk[w] | wols_, that isn't the only file which is needed |
| 16:25.50 | wols_ | dererk[w]: then run /sbin/grub and setup grub |
| 16:25.50 | x_link | brb |
| 16:26.05 | JordiGH | x_link: Your English is good enough to communicate. English is also a second language to me. |
| 16:26.09 | keith80403 | x_link, Visit your public library sometime, quite a few of them have books about Linux, a good source of info. |
| 16:26.10 | x_link | Going to read some pages in my Linux ebooks =) |
| 16:26.17 | x_link | JordiGH: Where are you from ? |
| 16:26.20 | cahoot | grendelson: not even imagemagick? |
| 16:26.26 | x_link | keith80403: I use gtk-gnutella. |
| 16:26.29 | x_link | keith80403: What is the URL ? |
| 16:26.31 | JordiGH | x_link: .mx and hello .se ! :-) |
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| 16:26.45 | x_link | JordiGH: hello .se ? |
| 16:26.45 | dererk[w] | Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no |
| 16:26.45 | valdyn | x_link: its in debian |
| 16:26.45 | dererk[w] | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.45 | dererk[w] | Error 15: File not found |
| 16:26.57 | JordiGH | x_link: Your /whois says you're from .se |
| 16:26.58 | x_link | wow |
| 16:27.00 | dererk[w] | wols_, No you follow me ? :-) |
| 16:27.04 | x_link | to much action here for me. |
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| 16:27.05 | x_link | hehe |
| 16:27.10 | dererk[w] | s/No/Now/ |
| 16:27.10 | x_link | JordiGH: Yeah |
| 16:27.12 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.15 | botch | can i let the bassic auth mechanism authenticate against a ldap directory? |
| 16:27.16 | x_link | I live here, but I'm from armenia. |
| 16:27.18 | valdyn | !find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 16:27.20 | grendelson | cahoot, just was't sure how to get imagemagick to open them. |
| 16:27.33 | wols_ | dererk[w]: dpkg -L grub |
| 16:27.49 | x_link | keith80403: Can you give me the URL, please? |
| 16:27.51 | wols_ | does stage1 show in that listing? if yes: reinstall grub with dpkg |
| 16:28.04 | dn4 | So if you report bugs do you get points or something for being cool? |
| 16:28.14 | dererk[w] | wols_, using which parameters ? |
| 16:28.17 | cahoot | grendelson: This format requires the 'JasPer jp2' library to be installed according to:http://www.cit.gu.edu.au/~anthony/graphics/imagick6/formats/#jp |
| 16:28.19 | valdyn | wols_: somehow im suspecting that he never really purged grub |
| 16:28.36 | x_link | GRUB, I use LILO. |
| 16:28.38 | wols_ | drbair_work: dpkg --force-help |
| 16:28.40 | x_link | Is GRUB better ? |
| 16:28.44 | valdyn | x_link: no |
| 16:28.48 | dererk[w] | valdyn, believe me or not, I did that twice |
| 16:28.48 | x_link | Okey. |
| 16:28.50 | valdyn | x_link: its different |
| 16:28.57 | dererk[w] | purge and reinstall |
| 16:29.02 | x_link | valdyn: GRUB & LILo = start programs. |
| 16:29.03 | x_link | Righ t? |
| 16:29.05 | x_link | Right? |
| 16:29.08 | grendelson | cahoot, I'll have to pursue that - I cant find anything jp2 related in PDO so perhaps it's nto a package yet... |
| 16:29.12 | wols_ | x_link: bootloaders |
| 16:29.13 | dererk[w] | x_link, boot loaders in fact |
| 16:29.17 | valdyn | x_link: boot managers |
| 16:29.17 | x_link | yeah |
| 16:29.21 | x_link | That was what I meant |
| 16:29.37 | x_link | Some words I just translate to english like it sound for me. |
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| 16:29.38 | x_link | hehe |
| 16:29.52 | stew | dn4: i'll fix the documentation in the next upload which will be post etch release most likely. you can go to http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rosegarden.html and subscribe there if you want to get email when the next upload is made |
| 16:29.57 | cahoot | grendelson: libjasper-1.701-1 - The JasPer JPEG-2000 runtime library ? |
| 16:30.20 | grendelson | cahoot, Well that explains it :-) I was searching for jp2 ! |
| 16:30.24 | x_link | I want a good Debian/linux site on swedish. Where you can learn some. But I don't find any at all. |
| 16:30.32 | keith80403 | x_link, URL to what, a library? I'm talking about a public library - the kind with physical books (-: |
| 16:30.33 | Bhavesh | hate to say this but #postfix is NOT very active OR helpful! |
| 16:30.35 | dererk[w] | valdyn, wols_ dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/grub*.deb |
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| 16:30.42 | dererk[w] | Setting up grub (0.95+cvs20040624-17sarge1) ... |
| 16:30.53 | JordiGH | x_link: Hm... |
| 16:30.54 | cahoot | grendelson: mind you this is all speculative from my side |
| 16:30.56 | JordiGH | !se |
| 16:30.56 | dpkg | from memory, se is Anslut till #debian.se för att snacka svenska, skriv /join debian.se |
| 16:30.56 | dererk[w] | find /boot/grub/ | wc -l |
| 16:30.57 | x_link | I think I must go to the library again and borrow the Linux books. I did that for like 4-5 months ago, but that was before I even installed Linux. |
| 16:30.58 | dererk[w] | 2 |
| 16:31.03 | valdyn | dererk[w]: have your read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 16:31.04 | x_link | keith80403: Ahhh okey. |
| 16:31.07 | x_link | keith80403: LOL |
| 16:31.16 | keith80403 | x_link, NP |
| 16:31.16 | dererk[w] | valdyn, do you believe me now ? |
| 16:31.18 | x_link | Yeah, I will go there on Friday. They ahve alo tof GOOD books. |
| 16:31.20 | dererk[w] | :-) |
| 16:31.30 | grendelson | cahoot, It's more then I had to go on 3 minutes ago :-) |
| 16:31.32 | zamaliphe | i have format my home /dev in an eroor and i realy need to recover it it is ext3 file system can any one help me with that ? |
| 16:31.48 | x_link | keith80403: Grunderna I Linux ( The Basics In Linux), Linux För Alla ( Linux For Everybody), Linux For Dummies. |
| 16:31.51 | x_link | I will get those books. |
| 16:32.03 | valdyn | dererk[w]: i deleted my /boot/grub and im fixing that ,hold on |
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| 16:32.08 | JordiGH | Newbies coming into Debian... the sheer beauty of it makes me cry with joy. |
| 16:32.24 | dererk[w] | valdyn, O_o' is it some kind of joke ? |
| 16:32.32 | vorsprung | JordiGH, it makes me want to go and get a cup of tea |
| 16:33.33 | valdyn | dererk[w]: well, already fixed it |
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| 16:33.56 | JordiGH | Wtf? Mozilla wants DDs to first submit to them patches for Firefox for approval? |
| 16:34.06 | valdyn | dererk[w]: grub-install "hd0" or grub-install --root-directory=/boot "(hd0)" if /boot is a seperate partition |
| 16:34.29 | dererk[w] | valdyn, yes, I already read de README.Debian in which is said that |
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| 16:35.01 | Bhavesh | who are DDs? |
| 16:35.08 | stew | JordiGH: yes, and one of the problems is that they don't really want to look at patches to 1.0.7 |
| 16:35.15 | cydork | dererk[w]: i am preety sure grup-install creates stage files |
| 16:35.17 | wols_ | valdyn: he's missing the grub stage files. and incapable of reinstalling them |
| 16:35.18 | dererk[w] | well, nevermind... I'll keep trying, thanks anyway |
| 16:35.26 | stew | JordiGH: but if we dont' use the firefox name, then it all doesn't matter |
| 16:35.29 | valdyn | wols_: grub-install creates those |
| 16:35.44 | dererk[w] | I can certainly assure the don't |
| 16:35.48 | valdyn | wols_: generates the whole /boot/grub directory and contents |
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| 16:36.00 | JordiGH | Bhavesh: Debian Developers. |
| 16:36.01 | dererk[w] | grub-install --help |
| 16:36.01 | dererk[w] | Usage: grub-install [OPTION] install_device |
| 16:36.01 | dererk[w] | Install GRUB on your drive. |
| 16:36.11 | Bhavesh | oh thanks.. now i feel really *SMART* asking that :) |
| 16:36.26 | dererk[w] | nevermind, forget it |
| 16:36.49 | JordiGH | Bhavesh: I didn't know hat it meant either until I started hanging out in debian-devel@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:37.35 | Bhavesh | JordiGH: well i don't feel so bad now :).. |
| 16:37.55 | Bhavesh | i would like to help with debian project so i hang out here and answer a couple of questions |
| 16:38.09 | JordiGH | stew: How odd. But I guess Mozilla takes that stance in strong defiance of nabbing market share from the Evil Empire. |
| 16:38.38 | JordiGH | Using Debian makes me feel so much like one of the rebels in the Star Wars universe, like the Returners in Final Fantasy 6, like the inhabitants of Zion in The Matrix trilogy. |
| 16:38.40 | wols_ | hmm... how old is 1.0.7? |
| 16:39.16 | wols_ | ubuntu LTS 6.06 ships ffox 1.5.x right? so what happens with their 3 year LTS thing when 1.5 is long forgotten by mozilla.com? |
| 16:39.27 | wols_ | what happens with RHEL with their 5 years support? |
| 16:39.53 | jair | anyone here knows where to check for the logs on the dhcp server if I have it running on Debian sarge stable 3.1 r3? |
| 16:39.57 | stew | wols_: they'll either have to put new versions of ffox in, leave ffox vulnerable, or not ues the name |
| 16:39.59 | JordiGH | wols_: Mozilla clearly needs to do some thinking. ;-) |
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| 16:40.23 | stew | and by the way, i'm not Mike Connor from mozcorp that started this! :) |
| 16:40.36 | wols_ | !blame stew |
| 16:41.00 | GlocK | wols_ orly? |
| 16:41.14 | wols_ | GlocK: don't look at me! dpkg did it! |
| 16:41.26 | stew | !factinfo cmd: blame (.*?) |
| 16:41.26 | dpkg | CMD: blame (.*?) -- created by sussudio <Suss@d511329f.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Sat Oct 26 17:49:24 2002 (1444 days); it has been requested 68 times, last by wols_, 50s ago. |
| 16:41.42 | cydork | dererk[w]: na you are right grub-install just checks for the existance of those files :P just went throught the script :P |
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| 16:42.24 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 16:42.44 | cydork | !blame sussudio |
| 16:42.47 | zamaliphe | did any one here have use a recovery tools befor |
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| 16:43.00 | sussudio | !bear cydork |
| 16:43.08 | Bhavesh | hahaha |
| 16:43.14 | JordiGH | I wonder whom will dpkg blame if there's only one user in the channel. |
| 16:43.21 | danieldg | empty string |
| 16:43.22 | jetx | !pal cydork |
| 16:43.26 | danieldg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.36 | Bhavesh | let's everyone leave |
| 16:43.42 | dazjorz | cydork: You still here? |
| 16:43.43 | zamaliphe | my home partion is gon can any one help me ? |
| 16:43.44 | Bhavesh | and JordiGH can stay behind and try that :) |
| 16:43.51 | Bhavesh | brb lunch |
| 16:44.00 | jetx | i can't figure out why i'm getting a unable to mount rootfs on unknown-block :( |
| 16:44.03 | cydork | s/like/liked/ |
| 16:44.04 | dazjorz | cydork: I installed the drivers, but there's still no rausb0 |
| 16:44.16 | jetx | i changed the fstab, it boots... |
| 16:44.23 | danieldg | it takes a month to empty a channel of this size, even if it's +i |
| 16:44.25 | cydork | dazjorz: which drivers? |
| 16:44.26 | JordiGH | zamaliphe: Uh, gone? |
| 16:44.27 | jetx | the installation is 203 days old |
| 16:44.33 | jetx | old hd i pulled out |
| 16:44.49 | JordiGH | !blame dpkg |
| 16:45.05 | jetx | but it does it when it mounts the cramfs ramdisk? |
| 16:45.38 | zamaliphe | i have format my home partion in an eroor and i realy need to recover it it is ext3 file system can any one help me with that ? |
| 16:45.39 | jetx | unknown-block(22,65) |
| 16:45.54 | dazjorz | cydork: Ralink drivers |
| 16:46.04 | jetx | zamaliphe: 'maybe' remove the journal and try undelete for ext2 |
| 16:46.11 | jetx | no idea |
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| 16:46.15 | dazjorz | cydork: rt2570 |
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| 16:46.26 | cydork | dazjorz: oh ok. |
| 16:46.29 | JordiGH | !info e2undel |
| 16:46.29 | jetx | !undelete |
| 16:46.30 | dpkg | i heard undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
| 16:46.31 | dpkg | e2undel: (Undelete utility for the ext2 file system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.8-8 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 16:46.44 | stew | that won't work for ext3 |
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| 16:47.24 | JordiGH | stew: Uh, you mean you can't remove the journal and attempt undelete? |
| 16:47.28 | jetx | ytf can't i chroot in dammit! |
| 16:47.28 | stew | no |
| 16:47.32 | cydork | dazjorz: so you dont see anything in iwconfig |
| 16:47.51 | zamaliphe | jetx, the partion is ext3 file system and how to use undelet |
| 16:47.51 | stew | JordiGH: because of the journal, it actually zeros out the inodes at delete time |
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| 16:48.10 | jetx | zamaliphe: if stew says 'won't work' it probably won't :/ |
| 16:48.53 | zamaliphe | stew, then what i can do |
| 16:49.18 | jetx | oui |
| 16:49.25 | buu | So. Anyone have a magical incantation to install debian on a centos system without such messy things like bootdisks? |
| 16:49.26 | stew | zamaliphe: the best bet is to restore from backups |
| 16:49.45 | JordiGH | jetx: But "si" is so useful. I wish English had it. |
| 16:50.10 | stew | didn't someone on planet.d.o semi recently blog about some other tool? |
| 16:50.17 | stew | (for ext3 recovery) |
| 16:50.24 | stew | abrotman: do you remember? |
| 16:50.33 | cydork | testdisk? |
| 16:50.34 | wols_ | !debtakeover |
| 16:50.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 16:50.36 | amphi | JordiGH: english is deficient there, I agree |
| 16:50.51 | dazjorz | brb |
| 16:51.09 | stew | we could all learn lojban |
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| 16:51.18 | buu | debtakeover++ |
| 16:51.48 | BucWheat | hi all i have installed imagemagick and i'm trying to use convert and i keep gettting: convert: unable to read font `/usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/n019003l.pfb'. |
| 16:51.51 | amphi | stew: lojban? |
| 16:51.52 | BucWheat | why is this? |
| 16:52.13 | BucWheat | and i've specified -font in convert statement |
| 16:52.15 | _Gnea_ | BucWheat: does the fontfile exist? |
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| 16:52.33 | wols_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban |
| 16:52.36 | stew | amphi: its a designed language based on predicate calculus which is allegedly free of ambiguities |
| 16:52.54 | BucWheat | _Gnea_ when i do convert -list type i see all of the types there |
| 16:52.55 | buu | wols_: Hrm, one question then. If I need to install deboostrap, which version do I install on this centos box? Anyone that makes it? Stable? |
| 16:53.10 | _Gnea_ | BucWheat: does. the. fontfile. exist? |
| 16:53.14 | cydork | buu: debtakeover converts to woody |
| 16:53.24 | cydork | buu: then you can upgrade to sarge i guess. |
| 16:53.25 | amphi | stew: those who do not understand sanskrit are doomed to reinvent it? ;) |
| 16:53.28 | stew | lojban is a fork or loglan because loglan became non-free |
| 16:53.44 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
| 16:53.44 | wols_ | non-free languages? |
| 16:53.45 | buu | cydork: Er, yes, but as a prereq I need to install deboostrap |
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| 16:54.00 | BucWheat | _Gnea_ /usr/share/fonts/type1/ does not exist |
| 16:54.03 | cydork | damn |
| 16:54.05 | cydork | buu: nm |
| 16:54.11 | stew | wols_: yes, the author copyrighted the word roots or something, so many of the users took the rules and just came up with new word roots |
| 16:54.15 | BucWheat | _Gnea_ what is the package to apt-get? |
| 16:54.20 | tralala | there's a massive security update for X. I wonder why upgrading xlibmesa-dri says it will free 73megs of disk space. Any thoughts? |
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| 16:54.24 | JordiGH | English is most decidedly non-free. Modification is not allowed and source is hidden. Otherwise, linguists would be out of a job reverse engineering it. ;-) |
| 16:54.25 | stew | wols_: it was no problem since about 20 people actually know the language ;) |
| 16:54.28 | _Gnea_ | BucWheat: try dpkg -S to the filename and see what pops up |
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| 16:55.13 | BucWheat | _Gnea_ to imagemagick package? |
| 16:55.32 | _Gnea_ | BucWheat: did i say 'package' or 'filename'? |
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| 16:55.41 | _Gnea_ | dpkg -S /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/n019003l.pfb |
| 16:55.42 | dpkg | Package: /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/n019003l.pfb: Status: install ok installed |
| 16:55.51 | cydork | hehe |
| 16:55.54 | BucWheat | _Gnea_ ahh i see now. sorry |
| 16:56.02 | _Gnea_ | BucWheat: no problem |
| 16:56.49 | BucWheat | _Gnea_ got it. apt-get install gsfonts is what i needed :) |
| 16:56.52 | BucWheat | thanks you rock |
| 16:57.02 | _Gnea_ | :) have fun |
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| 16:59.30 | phogg | JordiGH: english is definitely open source, but like with xfree86 only small, incremental patches are accepted |
| 17:00.25 | buu | Hrm. -> Checking chroot sanity |
| 17:00.26 | buu | error: Bad chroot, clean, correct, and try again. |
| 17:00.28 | JordiGH | phogg: If you ask Chomsky, the D-structure is most definitely closed source. ;-) |
| 17:00.32 | JordiGH | !ot |
| 17:00.33 | dpkg | [ot] off topic |
| 17:00.34 | zamaliphe | stew, dos ext3 is imposiple to recover |
| 17:01.13 | phogg | JordiGH: indeed. |
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| 17:02.07 | dazjorz_ | Hello |
| 17:02.12 | JordiGH | !greet dazjorz |
| 17:02.12 | dpkg | Welcome, dazjorz |
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| 17:02.33 | dazjorz_ | My ralink rt2570 still doesn't really work |
| 17:02.39 | dazjorz_ | it's kind of detected afaik |
| 17:02.46 | dazjorz_ | lsusb shows it, i've installed the drivers etc |
| 17:02.58 | cydork | dazjorz_: does it show in iwconfig? |
| 17:03.00 | dazjorz_ | but the light doesn't go on and iwconfig doesnt show it |
| 17:03.03 | amphi | dazjorz_: ifconfig -a shows the interface? |
| 17:03.15 | dazjorz_ | cydork: it shows an eth1 ... |
| 17:03.20 | dazjorz_ | no wireless extensions |
| 17:03.41 | dazjorz_ | ifconfig eth1 shows link encap UNSPEC hwaddr 32-4F-C0-00-0A-C7-6C-10-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 17:03.51 | dazjorz_ | ifconfig -a shows eth0, eth1, lo, sit0 |
| 17:04.30 | dazjorz_ | :/ |
| 17:04.46 | dazjorz_ | i'm not really sure what to do next |
| 17:04.59 | dazjorz_ | several pages said that a rausb0 should now appear, but it doesn't |
| 17:05.26 | cbr | $ oowriter |
| 17:05.26 | cbr | pure virtual method called |
| 17:05.26 | cbr | terminate called without an active exception |
| 17:05.26 | cbr | ** (process:10495): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ... |
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| 17:05.50 | cbr | why does openoffice crash!? |
| 17:06.12 | JordiGH | I wonder what will about:mozilla say in iceweasel. |
| 17:06.26 | JordiGH | A parable of Cain and Abel would be appropriate. |
| 17:06.42 | cydork | dazjorz_: are you sure the modules are loaded? check lsmod for that. |
| 17:06.50 | JordiGH | cbr: How is OO.o crashing? |
| 17:06.58 | dazjorz_ | cydork: rt2570 199104 0 |
| 17:07.03 | cbr | JordiGH: when i start it |
| 17:07.10 | dazjorz_ | cydork: also usbcore 129280 6 rt2570,(...) |
| 17:07.30 | cbr | reinstalled and now it works again :S |
| 17:07.34 | cbr | this has happened before |
| 17:07.45 | JordiGH | :-/ |
| 17:07.57 | JordiGH | cbr: Reinstalled it? With apt-get? |
| 17:08.04 | cydork | dazjorz_: then i have nfc |
| 17:08.09 | cbr | JordiGH: yes |
| 17:08.19 | dazjorz_ | cydork: = no fucking clue? |
| 17:08.26 | buu | Ok, what on earth does [ -d $DEBIAN_DIR$d ] || error 2 "Bad chroot," do? Is it checking for the dir and dying if it finds it, or dying if it doesn |
| 17:08.30 | buu | 't find it? |
| 17:08.41 | dazjorz_ | <-- that was me |
| 17:08.58 | JordiGH | cbr: Strange. Unles you're updating, reinstalling shouldn't change anything. It certainly won't change configuration files, for instance, although perhaps something very strange happened before and the installation was fscked. |
| 17:09.14 | cydork | dazjorz_: yep :P |
| 17:09.31 | cbr | JordiGH: it crashed again after executing a document from konqueror |
| 17:10.04 | JordiGH | cbr: :-/ |
| 17:10.34 | JordiGH | cbr: Dig around, find the bug, submit a bug report. Carefully note the version. |
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| 17:11.13 | jetx | great now i can chroot in |
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| 17:11.26 | jetx | do you have to be in the directory? |
| 17:11.37 | jetx | chroot /mnt/hdd1 didn't work from ~ |
| 17:11.47 | jetx | but did after i cd'd to it |
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| 17:12.15 | jetx | and how do you redo initrd.. reroll it |
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| 17:13.26 | rgsteele | Hey all. I threw this question out in ##linux, but since I'm on a Debian system, figured it might be worth a shot to let 'er rip in here... |
| 17:13.37 | rgsteele | So, normally the error "mount: RPC: Program not registered" happens when you try to mount an NFS filesystem and the kernel doesn't have NFS support compiled in. However, if I cat /proc/filesystems, NFS is listed there. Anything else you guys can think of that might cause this issue? |
| 17:14.23 | stew | rgsteele: make sure portmap started |
| 17:14.24 | jetx | rgsteele: did you modprobe the module? |
| 17:14.59 | rgsteele | portmap is started, but there are no directives in it (e.g., no denies or allows) |
| 17:15.02 | stew | rgsteele: and make sure nfs-common is installed and started |
| 17:15.04 | jetx | there are 2 flavors of nfs in debian.. the kernel version, which seems to be preferred, and the client side version |
| 17:15.22 | rgsteele | I'm using the kernel version |
| 17:15.26 | rgsteele | so, I shouldn't have to lsmod the thing |
| 17:15.29 | rgsteele | er, modprobe |
| 17:15.56 | jetx | there is also a file to be apt-gotted for the kernel version... but if you don't load the module it's not loaded... i believe |
| 17:17.15 | rgsteele | I've got nfs-common |
| 17:17.26 | rgsteele | I didn't think I'd need nfs-kernel-server |
| 17:17.35 | jetx | there's also nfs-kernel-something... ls /etc/init.d |
| 17:17.36 | rgsteele | But, I can go out and grab it, see if it makes a difference... |
| 17:17.44 | jetx | ah |
| 17:17.46 | rgsteele | nfs-kernel-server? |
| 17:17.50 | jetx | yeah |
| 17:17.56 | rgsteele | Hm, ok |
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| 17:18.00 | rgsteele | Lemme give that a whirl |
| 17:18.00 | jetx | you also need to load the module |
| 17:18.05 | jetx | in the kernel |
| 17:18.09 | rgsteele | ok |
| 17:18.17 | anapivirtua__ | Bye all. |
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| 17:18.23 | rgsteele | I guess I'll probably need to edit /etc/exports as well |
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| 17:19.09 | jetx | hosts.allow and hosts.deny .. and yeah exports is for the dirs you want to export (iirc i forget only set it up once) |
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| 17:19.32 | rgsteele | Well, if I don't specify anything in hosts.allow/hosts.deny |
| 17:19.49 | rgsteele | (this is just in a test environment) |
| 17:20.50 | orestyle3 | I am trying to install Debian on system with RAID 5 partition. I try to break up the partition into smaller partitions (one for /, one for /var, and lastly /home) but I get errors. (failure to create ext3 filesystem) It will work with partition being single |
| 17:20.52 | jetx | rgsteele: the big problem i had was my firewall :) |
| 17:22.07 | rgsteele | Heh, yeah luckily that's not a factor in this equation :) |
| 17:22.07 | buu | orestyle3: I'm not sure you can.. |
| 17:22.08 | xittum | http://tomse.dyndns.dk/tempus/iceweasel.png :) |
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| 17:22.48 | rgsteele | Hm, still not able to nfs mount /home from box1 on box2 |
| 17:23.05 | rgsteele | same error... mount: RPC: Program not registered. |
| 17:23.09 | orestyle3 | buu: so how do you break up partition for ease of reinstall (if sw failure happens, then all /home data would still be untouched) |
| 17:23.14 | anabain | is there any problem with debian sid upgrades? |
| 17:23.18 | dn4 | ahhahahahah thew world is going to end!! ahahahaha Bush and his crons are tkaing over! |
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| 17:23.54 | rgsteele | jetx: There really shouldn't be anything needed on the client side, right? |
| 17:24.04 | rgsteele | Other than to have NFS support compiled into the kernel? |
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| 17:24.22 | buu | orestyle3: You have one r5 partition and the rest aren't. Perhaps look at lvm? |
| 17:25.04 | jetx | rgsteele: you don't need to complie, just modprobe the module... unless you rolled your own and it's not there |
| 17:25.15 | yos | any Guru know about FONT`s ? Debian Sarge ? |
| 17:25.35 | jetx | fonts have no guru's :/ |
| 17:25.40 | yos | hehe :) |
| 17:25.47 | jetx | you could try googling the fontdeuglification how-to though |
| 17:25.58 | jetx | also msttcorefonts seems to help |
| 17:26.01 | rgsteele | jetx: I compiled my own kernel |
| 17:26.03 | jetx | but it's non-free |
| 17:26.06 | orestyle3 | buu: basically I have one r1 partition for /, then two r5 partitions (one for swap, and one for data) I am still alittle unsure about the raid5 for swap, and have tried just leaving the swap partitions seperate, but system doesn't seem to recognize them |
| 17:26.18 | jetx | ah then recompile it is i guess... or use the client side version |
| 17:26.20 | rgsteele | So, it's built into the thing |
| 17:26.20 | yos | jetx any Link Docs ? |
| 17:26.21 | buu | orestyle3: Wtf? You have a raid5 partition for SWAP? |
| 17:26.37 | jetx | yos it was on tldp.org ... all ii know |
| 17:26.37 | rgsteele | Happen to know offhand what the module is called? |
| 17:26.57 | epsilon | RAID for SWAP is a stuff for endless-discussions |
| 17:27.02 | h3sp4wn | yos: It is called Xfree86 deuglification howto (or something like that) |
| 17:27.19 | jetx | it was called font deuglification how-to |
| 17:27.24 | jetx | least the one i rem |
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| 17:27.36 | cahoot | isn't it outdated? |
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| 17:28.20 | orestyle3 | Seems to work. With all four disks set up in sw raid, not sure why r5 for swap would be bad idea... |
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| 17:29.53 | jetx | rgsteele: use modconf |
| 17:29.57 | rahaa | Hey guys I have just install debian base sarge i then install x-window-system-core and xfce4 that worked fine, but then i wanted a newer kernel so i upgraded to sid, that went fine, obviosuly did the switch for xfree86 to xorg, now i reconfigre xorg and i startx it loads to a black screen and freezes the wholoe computer i have to end up doing a hard reboot |
| 17:30.00 | jetx | !modconf |
| 17:30.01 | dpkg | modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will add to /etc/modules |
| 17:30.06 | rahaa | anyone know why it does that or how to fix this? |
| 17:31.41 | rahaa | It doesn't say anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log either |
| 17:31.43 | Braindead | !tell rahaa about sid |
| 17:31.45 | Braindead | !tell rahaa about sid faq |
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| 17:33.22 | jetx | rahaa: are you saying ctrl alt F1 doesn't work? (left ctrl/alt btw) |
| 17:34.20 | abrotman | stew: another tool for whAT? |
| 17:34.33 | rahaa | jetx that is what i am saying yes |
| 17:34.51 | rgsteele | jetx: The thing is, if I cat /proc/filesystems and it lists NFS, I should be able to mount NFS filesystems, no? |
| 17:34.54 | stew | abrotman: ext3 undelete |
| 17:34.55 | abrotman | stew: yes .. i think someone did |
| 17:34.59 | rahaa | Braindead, I am well aware of what SID is. |
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| 17:35.03 | stew | abrotman: i could swear you had recalled it at some point |
| 17:35.09 | abrotman | stew: but it was .. like a month or so ago |
| 17:35.13 | rahaa | Braindead, I asked about xorg not SIS. |
| 17:35.15 | rahaa | SID. |
| 17:35.21 | stew | abrotman: yeah, and whomeever it was is gone now |
| 17:35.24 | jetx | rgsteele: no idea. you don't need the server to mount nfs fs though |
| 17:35.28 | Braindead | rahaa: you also might aware about how to fix BUGS and checking the BTS and such |
| 17:36.09 | Braindead | I forgot a "be" |
| 17:36.15 | rahaa | b? |
| 17:36.16 | rahaa | err |
| 17:36.22 | stew | rahaa: which driver are you using? |
| 17:36.24 | rahaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.27 | rahaa | stew the sis one |
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| 17:37.08 | JordiGH | Before I download it, can anyone tell me if vtk-doc contains tutorials? |
| 17:37.18 | abrotman | stew: photorec ? |
| 17:37.19 | stew | rahaa: have you checked the bts for the sis driver package? |
| 17:37.21 | matt_o|work | what is the best way to list all installed debian packages from a program? I was hoping to find some kind of "libdpkg" but it seems that maybe parsing the output of dpkg is the preferred way. |
| 17:37.27 | abrotman | or this ?http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/420 |
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| 17:37.34 | rahaa | stew lemme check now |
| 17:37.52 | rgsteele | jetx: Ah, I think I've found a clue in /var/log/syslog: Oct 10 13:36:46 testbox nfsd[6791]: nfssvc: Function not implemented |
| 17:38.00 | stew | rahaa: its a had lockup? ctrl-alt-f1 or chvt doesn't work? |
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| 17:38.20 | abrotman | stew: i wish planet had some sort of aggregate search |
| 17:38.45 | stew | abrotman: i agree |
| 17:38.50 | stew | tell mako |
| 17:38.50 | eeyore- | matt_o|work: dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:38.50 | rahaa | stew, well when i run startx it starts then goes to a black screen and freezes the computer |
| 17:38.55 | kill4killin | ok, so i know how to fix this next time, my internet on my debian sarge box just died, is there a way to do an ip -renew equivalent in nix |
| 17:38.57 | rahaa | stew, do you know the full name of the driver? |
| 17:38.59 | kill4killin | so i dont have to reboot to get it back on |
| 17:39.18 | abrotman | he's not here! |
| 17:39.18 | rahaa | SiS 630/730 PC |
| 17:39.20 | stew | rahaa: xserver-xorg-video-sis |
| 17:39.39 | rahaa | ah |
| 17:39.41 | eeyore- | kill4killin: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 17:39.52 | kill4killin | thank you |
| 17:40.16 | stew | rahaa: does vesa lock up? |
| 17:40.23 | rahaa | xserver-xorg: Server freezes switching to console and back |
| 17:40.29 | rahaa | thats not really the problem |
| 17:40.37 | Braindead | rahaa: file a bug then |
| 17:40.39 | deceptacon | hey guys, im back. same problem: debian menu is empty in gnome. but debian menu appears perfect in xfce. |
| 17:40.52 | deceptacon | i want debian menu to show in gnome as well |
| 17:40.59 | eeyore- | rahaa: do you have framebuffer console? |
| 17:41.04 | rahaa | stew, After I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i run startx it does some monitor clicking noise like normal then goes to a black screen and i cant do anything e.g. keyboard nothing.. so i have to reboot |
| 17:41.09 | rahaa | eeyore-, i tried with on and with it off |
| 17:41.12 | rahaa | makes no difference |
| 17:41.21 | rahaa | i tried rconfiguring it loads of ways it made no difference |
| 17:41.31 | eeyore- | rahaa: usually the "lock up switching console" have to do with incompatibility between the x driver and framebuffer console |
| 17:41.43 | kill4killin | ok...now after i rebooted, my mouse is acting funny |
| 17:41.43 | eeyore- | rahaa: if you have that problem, text-console reduces one potential lockup |
| 17:41.50 | rahaa | im not even getting into X |
| 17:41.59 | stew | rahaa: are you sure dpkg-reconfigure actually changed the .conf? (/msg dpkg xorgmd5) |
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| 17:42.14 | Braindead | rahaa: are you sure that machine *dies* ? did you try logging in via ssh after the supposed lockup? |
| 17:42.14 | stew | rahaa: can you upload your xorg.conf and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin? |
| 17:42.17 | eeyore- | rahaa: find out if it's a hardware lockup or just X not liking your chip. run sshd or telnetd and see if you can still telnet/ssh into the box. |
| 17:42.30 | stew | mmm telnetd |
| 17:42.35 | eeyore- | rahaa: if the driver locks up so hard you can't telnet / ssh in, you don't really have a choice .... |
| 17:42.47 | kill4killin | what would cause my mouse to move sparatically after a reboot, it worked fine before the reboot' |
| 17:42.50 | rahaa | eeyore-, ok second |
| 17:42.55 | orestyle3 | difference between grub and lilo? Preference? Stability? |
| 17:42.58 | rahaa | stew, yes it changes the config |
| 17:43.01 | eeyore- | kill4killin: define "sporadic" |
| 17:43.02 | Braindead | kill4killin: solar storm |
| 17:43.14 | Lenolium | I'm having some problems getting the latest version of a package I need, I need libapache2-mod-php5 5.1.6-4 (I have 5.1.6-3 installed, which has a grave bug in it), the buildd status for the package shows it has been built already on amd64, but I can't find the .deb anywhere, where should I look? |
| 17:43.21 | eeyore- | kill4killin: in X? |
| 17:43.24 | rahaa | ok |
| 17:43.29 | kill4killin | eeyore: lol, if i move the mouse, it might move...but not in the right direction |
| 17:43.30 | rahaa | eeyore-, i can ssh into it when it freezes! |
| 17:43.33 | kill4killin | yes in x |
| 17:43.41 | eeyore- | kill4killin: rotate the mouse 90 degrees? |
| 17:43.56 | kill4killin | ? |
| 17:44.08 | eeyore- | kill4killin: you might be holding the mouse wrong? :-) |
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| 17:44.18 | Braindead | rahaa: "freezes the wholoe computer i have to end up doing a hard reboot" didn't help us,for starters |
| 17:44.21 | orestyle3 | Lenolium: http://dotdeb.pimpmylinux.org/ stable all |
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| 17:44.35 | rahaa | Braindead, well i never tested it remotley |
| 17:44.35 | eeyore- | rahaa: ok, then you might want to read the /var/log/X*log and see what the last output lines mention, check for any (WW) and (EE) lines |
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| 17:44.39 | kill4killin | eeyore-: lol, no it right, but i think it might be a driver problem |
| 17:44.40 | eeyore- | kill4killin: just kidding |
| 17:44.48 | rahaa | eeyore-, already did nothing like that there |
| 17:44.57 | rahaa | lemme paste the last two lines from it now i can access it via ssh |
| 17:45.01 | eeyore- | kill4killin: is it an actual mouse or is it a touchpad? |
| 17:45.12 | kill4killin | yea its a mouse |
| 17:45.18 | stew | rahaa: put the entire log into a pastebin, http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 17:45.22 | kill4killin | it goes through a kvm though and that has given me headaches all along |
| 17:45.23 | rahaa | ok |
| 17:45.26 | Lenolium | orestyle3: I'm running sid, but I'll check it out. |
| 17:45.41 | eeyore- | kill4killin: what's the mouse's protocol in your X config file? |
| 17:46.10 | kill4killin | i cant remember, im trying to remember how to reconfigure it |
| 17:46.15 | kill4killin | the driver that is |
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| 17:46.39 | eeyore- | kill4killin: read. /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or Xorg.conf |
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| 17:46.49 | rahaa | stew, http://rafb.net/paste/results/c6Fzn556.html |
| 17:47.15 | kill4killin | ok |
| 17:47.20 | orestyle3 | Lenolium: Running Sarge here, not sure about the details but hope it helps |
| 17:47.21 | Yp3rite | hid3, i'm doing an fsck, and my system restart. I need to do something after fsck was succesful ? |
| 17:48.11 | Lenolium | Grr, incoming.debian.org has every arch but amd64... how long does it take to get from there to the actual archives? |
| 17:48.19 | eeyore- | rahaa: can you turn off acceleration? |
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| 17:48.37 | eeyore- | rahaa: the driver should have an option to turn off all hardware acceleration. this would be a start. |
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| 17:48.48 | matt_o|work | eeyore- thankyou |
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| 17:49.49 | orestyle3 | Lenolium: I am also running amd64 but on sarge. no problems with .debs so far (LAMP config) |
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| 17:50.29 | JordiGH | Woohoo! A hapless bystander has asked me to "install Linux" for him and teach him to use it. Hehehe... Little does he know he'll be getting Debian *GNU*/Linux on his lappy, mwhahaha! |
| 17:50.54 | amphi | JordiGH: ;) |
| 17:50.54 | JordiGH | Installing Linux. Better than sex. |
| 17:51.11 | eeyore- | JordiGH: Little did you know that you will be his personal sysadmin for the rest of your life ... mwhahahahahaha |
| 17:51.32 | kill4killin | ok, now im on my nix box |
| 17:51.35 | rahaa | eeyore-, hrm how do i do that? |
| 17:51.42 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Heh. I'm actually cool with that. My lusers are rather smart and eager learners. |
| 17:51.48 | kill4killin | anyway, what am i looking for in the x config file |
| 17:51.52 | eeyore- | rahaa: i would "man sis" (or "man sis_drv") for the right options |
| 17:52.02 | deceptacon | hey guys, im back. same problem: debian menu is empty in gnome. but debian menu appears perfect in xfce. |
| 17:52.05 | deceptacon | i want debian menu to show in gnome as well |
| 17:52.08 | deceptacon | :/ |
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| 17:52.27 | rahaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.27 | rahaa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:52.29 | rahaa | you mean that? |
| 17:52.33 | eeyore- | rahaa: yeah |
| 17:52.35 | kill4killin | eeyore- what do you mean, what is the mouse protocol? |
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| 17:52.54 | eeyore- | kill4killin: did you read /etc/X11/Xorg.conf? |
| 17:52.56 | rahaa | eeyore-, this is odd, in ssh i do ps aux to see if X is running and nothing X related is |
| 17:53.03 | kill4killin | yea what do you want to know from it |
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| 17:53.07 | eeyore- | rahaa: ps axfuw | grep X ? |
| 17:53.18 | hans_ | Moin, moin! |
| 17:53.20 | eeyore- | kill4killin: and you don't see any line with "Protocol" ? |
| 17:53.23 | rahaa | wargames-server-1:~# ps axfuw | grep X |
| 17:53.24 | rahaa | root 2520 0.0 0.1 1960 616 pts/0 S+ 18:53 0:00 \_ grep X |
| 17:53.24 | rahaa | wargames-server-1:~# |
| 17:53.35 | rahaa | eeyore-, X aint running |
| 17:53.38 | eeyore- | rahaa: so ... X died leaving your console unusuable? |
| 17:53.42 | rahaa | yes |
| 17:53.45 | kill4killin | eeyore- ImPS/2 |
| 17:53.46 | rahaa | looks like it |
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| 17:54.33 | eeyore- | kill4killin: try changing it to "auto" or "PS/2", power down your computer (not just reset, but really power down), and restart it |
| 17:54.34 | IndridCold | hi guys! |
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| 17:54.53 | Xoritor | is there a sid channel? |
| 17:54.56 | eeyore- | rahaa: try turning off acceleration and restart X? |
| 17:55.04 | IndridCold | I'm just toying with Samba - when I try and when I try to connect to my share on the debian box via windows it asks me for a password |
| 17:55.08 | Xoritor | im having issues with dovecot imaps |
| 17:55.10 | rahaa | eeyore-, ok lemme try where do i put that line anywhere special? |
| 17:55.10 | eeyore- | rahaa: is this some built-in graphics? |
| 17:55.15 | IndridCold | so I give it a valid user name and password on the box |
| 17:55.20 | IndridCold | but it won't accept it |
| 17:55.22 | IndridCold | any ideas why ? |
| 17:55.29 | rahaa | eeyore-, onboard graphics |
| 17:55.30 | Xoritor | i get :: Buffer full (8 > 4, pool data stack) |
| 17:55.34 | eeyore- | rahaa: it should be an "Option" line in your "device" section describing the graphics chip/driver |
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| 17:55.39 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 17:55.40 | rahaa | ok |
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| 17:56.02 | kill4killin | eeyore- now it doesn't move at all |
| 17:56.20 | kill4killin | o...restart...nevermind |
| 17:56.25 | eeyore- | kill4killin: what did you do? remember, i can't see what you did, or didn't do ... |
| 17:56.45 | kill4killin | eeyore- i changed the protocol to auto, but i didnt restart, ill do that real fast |
| 17:56.58 | rahaa | eeyore-, Option "NoAccel" "boolean" <-- what do i put in the boolean bit or do i leave it exactly like that? |
| 17:57.09 | eeyore- | rahaa: Option "NoAccel" "true" |
| 17:57.16 | rahaa | ok |
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| 17:57.29 | rahaa | I am going to have to reboot for this to take effect |
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| 17:57.36 | eeyore- | rahaa: shouldn't have to |
| 17:57.41 | rahaa | as the console terminal (one with monitor plugged into it) is unusable |
| 17:57.44 | rahaa | its still frooze |
| 17:57.45 | eeyore- | rahaa: unless X left your graphics chip in bad state as well |
| 17:57.54 | rahaa | and i can't ctrl+alt+f* |
| 17:57.57 | eeyore- | rahaa: start X from ssh ... startx or startxfce4, whatever |
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| 17:58.03 | madclicker | does anyone know what is famd for an why is it using 96% of my system resources? |
| 17:58.05 | rahaa | hrm |
| 17:58.12 | rahaa | that will work? cool |
| 17:58.12 | rahaa | ok |
| 17:58.19 | eeyore- | rahaa: you don't have to start X from the local keyboard :-) |
| 17:58.35 | rahaa | sweet |
| 17:58.38 | rahaa | didnt know that |
| 17:58.50 | amphi | madclicker: famd is some file system change monitoring daemon IIRC - used by automounters I think |
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| 17:59.04 | ArchitectSinan | I've got a intel 64bit processor on my machine. I want to install 3.1r3. Should i download the ISOs from "ia64" or "i386" folder from a debian mirror (For example: http://ftp.esat.net/pub/linux/debian-cd/3.1_r3/) ? |
| 17:59.05 | eeyore- | rahaa: this is true unless your graphics chip is left in a really bad state anyway, that would require a reset :-) |
| 17:59.23 | rahaa | i get http://rafb.net/paste/results/I6ohbp68.html |
| 17:59.46 | rahaa | no it worked |
| 17:59.46 | madclicker | amphi, is it a must prosecc? |
| 17:59.46 | rahaa | but it still crashed |
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| 17:59.48 | madclicker | process |
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| 18:00.01 | amphi | madclicker: I've never had it installed |
| 18:00.22 | amphi | madclicker: I've seen it cause problems before though |
| 18:00.41 | madclicker | amphi, got it, thank you |
| 18:00.49 | eeyore- | rahaa: what do you mean "it worked" "but still crashed" (they would be mutually exclusive, no?) |
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| 18:01.00 | amphi | madclicker: try uninstalling it, and see if it wants to remove anything you care about |
| 18:01.16 | rahaa | well i typed startx in the ssh screen the monitor flickered a lil and did the same thing then errored out |
| 18:01.22 | rahaa | with the error i pastebing |
| 18:01.23 | anabain | does anybody use teTeX? |
| 18:01.26 | eeyore- | rahaa: the crash looks like nobody tested sis driver without acceleration, else they would have noticed this problem right away :-) |
| 18:01.27 | madclicker | k |
| 18:01.59 | eeyore- | rahaa: well, you don't have a lot more choices ... try using the latest Xorg packages from sid or something |
| 18:02.10 | cahoot | anabain: tried comp.text.tex? |
| 18:02.17 | eeyore- | rahaa: (if this is going to be a wargame server, do you really need X to be running?) |
| 18:02.30 | anabain | sorry, wrong place, you were right |
| 18:03.00 | eeyore- | anabain: i "use" it (teTex) but not directly |
| 18:03.10 | rahaa | eeyore-, not that kinda wargames server hehe |
| 18:03.16 | rahaa | i need x to run to run vmware |
| 18:03.23 | rahaa | bugger it ill go back to sarge |
| 18:03.26 | ArchitectSinan | By the way, if i install "ia64" version, will i see any limitations ? Let's say i wanted to install "sshd" package using "apt-get install sshd" command and let's say i know that 64bit version of "sshd" is not exist yet. Can i still install/use 32bit version of "sshd" on top of my 64bit Debian ? |
| 18:03.34 | rahaa | but then i have the problem of the 2.6.8 kernel not working with vmware |
| 18:03.41 | rahaa | :( |
| 18:03.47 | eeyore- | rahaa: you can upgrade kernel independently of rest of system |
| 18:03.54 | anabain | eeyore-, it's a p weird problem with updmap.cfg, there are two in the system and they are not synchronised... |
| 18:04.28 | eeyore- | anabain: ah right, another political bitching over which package owns the file, again? |
| 18:04.31 | rahaa | eeyore-, what do you mean? How can i get a 2.6.18-1 kernel in sarge? |
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| 18:05.03 | eeyore- | rahaa: you can go download any package file you want by downloading from the repository directly and just "dpkg -i" the file |
| 18:05.25 | rahaa | yeah but |
| 18:05.33 | rahaa | i use apt-get cause it gets its deps for me |
| 18:05.42 | rahaa | if i just download the 2.6.18 kernel and dpkg -i it |
| 18:05.46 | rahaa | it will fail with deps issue |
| 18:05.49 | rahaa | surely? |
| 18:05.52 | IndridCold | Anyone know where Debian keeps it conf for SWAT ? |
| 18:06.01 | eeyore- | rahaa: download the source package and build the kernel? |
| 18:06.04 | anabain | eeyore-, I don't know, the point is that both files are different, so when making updmap-sys they aren't changed, and I'm afraid the rellevant one is that which doesn't get updated. |
| 18:06.17 | rahaa | eeyore-, im crap at that hehe.. is there anyway to do it via apt-get |
| 18:06.29 | zamuro | Anyone has installed w32codecs on amd64? |
| 18:06.38 | danieldg | !pinning |
| 18:06.38 | dpkg | i guess apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 18:06.46 | danieldg | rahaa: you could try that |
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| 18:07.03 | rahaa | hrm whats that |
| 18:07.25 | danieldg | lets you use certain packages from unstable/testing |
| 18:07.36 | eeyore- | rahaa: elinks http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/k/kernel-source-2.6.8/ |
| 18:07.37 | stew | IndridCold: it should be in /etc/packagename* or it should be documentedin /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian |
| 18:07.57 | rahaa | eeyore-, ??? |
| 18:08.05 | rahaa | eeyore-, i would have to build it myself then |
| 18:08.05 | eeyore- | anabain: can you just merge them so they are the same? |
| 18:08.14 | eeyore- | rahaa: bingo |
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| 18:08.27 | rahaa | im no good at that |
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| 18:08.32 | anabain | eeyore-, merge? that means danger! |
| 18:08.33 | Seb | sup y'all |
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| 18:08.37 | rahaa | can i not just use a backported kernel? |
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| 18:08.44 | eeyore- | anabain: :-) or, play symlink game? |
| 18:08.49 | stew | rahaa: i thought you were running unstable? |
| 18:08.56 | rahaa | i was |
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| 18:09.02 | rahaa | but i am reinstalling to sarge now |
| 18:09.03 | Seb | when I boot my debian system, first time init is passed control, does it go straight into runlevel 2, or does it do 1 then 2 ? |
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| 18:09.07 | rahaa | as there was no way to fix the X problem |
| 18:09.14 | stew | rahaa: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 18:09.18 | rahaa | but using sarge presents me with other problems |
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| 18:09.41 | cahoot | anabain: here (etch) the location is /var/lib/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg |
| 18:09.45 | rahaa | nice |
| 18:09.46 | rahaa | thanks! |
| 18:09.49 | eeyore- | anabain: well, not so sure about "danger". there's another issue like it with php and the "magic" file. php parses the magic file but doesn't handle "RegEx" line, and the owners of the file magic says php should use different functions, blah blah blah ... point is, just fix the damn thing already |
| 18:09.54 | kill4killin | adsf |
| 18:09.58 | kill4killin | ok, there we go |
| 18:10.38 | anabain | cahoot, tried locate updmap.cfg ? |
| 18:10.42 | IndridCold | anyone ? |
| 18:10.49 | cahoot | anabain: yes |
| 18:11.13 | anabain | and only one result? |
| 18:11.25 | amphi | IndridCold: anyone what? |
| 18:11.35 | IndridCold | able to assist me ? |
| 18:11.43 | anabain | cahoot, what about /etc/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg ? |
| 18:11.47 | cahoot | anabain: yes - alsa a few 00updmap.cfg |
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| 18:12.12 | cahoot | anabain: /etc/texmf/updmap.d/00updmap.cfg |
| 18:12.17 | eeyore- | anabain: dpkg-query -S /path/to/updmap.cfg |
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| 18:12.58 | IndridCold | Does anyone know where I might find the conf file for SWAT on debian ? |
| 18:13.04 | anabain | eeyore-, what does it do? |
| 18:13.13 | eeyore- | anabain: find out which package owns the file(s) |
| 18:13.18 | abrotman | IndridCold: /etc/samba/ ? |
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| 18:13.37 | eeyore- | anabain: if no package owns the file in question, well, you might possibly want to get rid of it |
| 18:13.39 | h3sp4wn | IndridCold: Have you not got it running yet ? it runs from inetd |
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| 18:13.53 | eeyore- | anabain: (your call) |
| 18:13.57 | IndridCold | h3sp4wn: yeah I installed it with APT |
| 18:14.01 | jetx | okie yaird bitches about /sys ... how do i get that going from a chroot? i mounted /proc... |
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| 18:14.08 | IndridCold | ah so there should be a server script for it |
| 18:14.08 | stew | IndridCold: did you check /usr/share/doc/packagename/README(.Debian) ? |
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| 18:14.39 | eeyore- | jetx: from outside of chroot, "mount -t sysfs none /mnt/chroot/sys" |
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| 18:15.11 | stew | or just "mount /sys" from inside the chroot |
| 18:15.27 | stew | and "mount /proc" while you're at it |
| 18:15.28 | IndridCold | stew: it's installed as part of the samba package |
| 18:15.34 | jetx | ah. thanks |
| 18:15.38 | eeyore- | stew: you're assuming he's got a nice /etc/fstab in his chroot :-) |
| 18:15.46 | jetx | i don't htink i do |
| 18:15.55 | jetx | in fact i'm sure sys isn't in there |
| 18:16.19 | h3sp4wn | IndridCold: I didn't ask that I asked whether it was running |
| 18:16.21 | jetx | well i did mount /sys.. it didn't bitch |
| 18:16.22 | stew | eeyore-: no, i'm not |
| 18:16.26 | stew | jetx: you don't need one |
| 18:17.00 | h3sp4wn | IndridCold: i.e did you uncomment the swat line in /etc/inetd.conf - and make sure inetd was running |
| 18:17.02 | IndridCold | h3sp4wn: Sorry, yes it is running. |
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| 18:17.06 | anabain | eeyore-, not found in both cases: dpkg-query -S /var/lib/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg dpkg-query -S /etc/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg |
| 18:17.24 | stew | eeyore-: works for me, and: cat /home/roots/32-etch/etc/fstab -> # UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM |
| 18:17.40 | eeyore- | stew: so mount has a hack for sysfs? |
| 18:17.46 | renga | hi, I can't open k3bsetup (sid) is someone havin the same promblem or knows how to fix it? |
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| 18:18.01 | jetx | \o/ |
| 18:18.16 | eeyore- | anabain: hang on |
| 18:18.19 | jetx | renga: try it form an xterm as root maybe |
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| 18:18.24 | h3sp4wn | renga: are you running it with kdesu |
| 18:18.34 | stew | eeyore-: it seems so |
| 18:18.39 | jetx | thanks eeyore- and stew |
| 18:18.50 | h3sp4wn | renga: or sux - it needs to run as root (with X working) |
| 18:18.59 | x_link | Back |
| 18:19.19 | x_link | I forgot what this servers name was, can somebody tell me that again, plese+ |
| 18:19.22 | x_link | Please? |
| 18:19.26 | x_link | First time I'm here. |
| 18:19.27 | jetx | ? |
| 18:19.32 | jetx | freenode? |
| 18:19.33 | h3sp4wn | freenode ? |
| 18:19.35 | x_link | freenode.net ? |
| 18:19.35 | stew | x_link: irc.freenode.net ? |
| 18:19.41 | x_link | stew: Yeah.. |
| 18:19.43 | x_link | Thanks alot! |
| 18:19.44 | renga | h3sp4wn<- I dont use kde I use fluxbox |
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| 18:19.53 | IndridCold | h3sp4wn: It's sitting on 0.0.0.0:923 |
| 18:20.02 | x_link | brb |
| 18:20.20 | renga | h3sp4wn<- thats a problem? |
| 18:20.43 | h3sp4wn | renga: that wouldn't be a problem (unless you don't have kdesu) |
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| 18:22.13 | h3sp4wn | renga: All it does is set 4711 root.root on /usr/bin/cdrdao /usr/bin/X11/cdrdao /usr/bin/wodium /usr/X11/bin/wodim /usr/bin/growisofs /usr/bin/X11/growisofs |
| 18:22.38 | h3sp4wn | IndridCold: What is the actual problem ? |
| 18:22.48 | IndridCold | I simply cannot find the conf file for it |
| 18:22.49 | renga | h3sp4wn<- is kdesu a pakage? |
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| 18:23.27 | h3sp4wn | renga: Its in kdebase-bin |
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| 18:23.43 | x_link | #Debian on DALnet just has like 6-8 users and they NEVER talk in that channel. |
| 18:23.43 | x_link | hehe |
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| 18:24.03 | IndridCold | h3sp4wn: If I could find the configuration file I could actually use it. |
| 18:24.17 | IndridCold | all the tutorials tell me to look in xinetd.d |
| 18:24.22 | IndridCold | but I don't have that |
| 18:24.26 | renga | h3sp4wn<- kdebase-bin it already installed |
| 18:24.39 | h3sp4wn | renga: well kdesu should be in /usr/bin/kdesu |
| 18:25.08 | jetx | just set the perms ourself |
| 18:25.12 | jetx | yourself |
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| 18:25.31 | rgsteele | jetx: I found the problem |
| 18:25.38 | jetx | ? |
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| 18:25.53 | Pitr | hi; bug 387396 bothers me, and the suggested update (libapr0 2.0.55-4.2) is never to be found! Help? :) |
| 18:25.54 | jetx | tornado like weather here :) |
| 18:26.14 | _Gnea_ | !dbugs 387396 |
| 18:26.18 | dpkg | DONE:#387396:I[subversion] subversion: depend libapr0 >= 2.0.55-4.2 (libdb-4.4 problem); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:33:06 UTC |
| 18:26.22 | rgsteele | These options weren't in the kernel: |
| 18:26.23 | rgsteele | CONFIG_NFSD=y |
| 18:26.25 | rgsteele | CONFIG_NFSD_V3=y |
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| 18:26.41 | rgsteele | Though, their counterparts CONFIG_NFS and CONFIG_NFS_V3 were |
| 18:26.43 | Pitr | _Gnea_, if you could give me a copy of libapr0 2.0.55-4.2 .. :) |
| 18:26.46 | jetx | ahh |
| 18:26.55 | _Gnea_ | Pitr: from where? |
| 18:27.05 | Pitr | That's my question :-) |
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| 18:27.08 | rgsteele | Guess I'm gonna go grab the latest kernel source and do a make oldconfig and tweak those options |
| 18:27.16 | rgsteele | Thanks for your help though |
| 18:27.34 | jetx | rgsteele: you could just use the userspace version of nfs server |
| 18:27.38 | Pitr | libapr0 v 2.0.55-4.2 does not exist on any debian server - it is in the google cache, though |
| 18:27.40 | deceptacon | ive got an empty debian menu in gnome, how do i make it show like it does in xfce (with all the programs listed) |
| 18:27.40 | jetx | aka clientside |
| 18:27.57 | jetx | deceptacon: maybe update-menus, not sure |
| 18:28.03 | deceptacon | ive done that already |
| 18:28.19 | deceptacon | it doesnt seem to work, all i see is a empty debian menu, grey maybe 20 piels |
| 18:28.21 | renga | h3sp4wn<- I found kdesu |
| 18:28.22 | deceptacon | *pixels |
| 18:28.22 | _Gnea_ | Pitr: and you're using what branch? |
| 18:28.33 | rgsteele | jetx: Yeah, but in my real-world counterpart (which I'm testing here in this little test world), it's built into the kernel. So I'm trying to mirror that as closely as possible |
| 18:28.37 | Pitr | _Gnea_: these apache packages are from testing :) |
| 18:28.39 | rgsteele | Make sure all the wrinkles are worked out |
| 18:28.39 | x_link | hrmm |
| 18:28.48 | acc_ | Hi, #Debian. I'm trying to configure a wireless NIC (Intel 2200) and it's being created as device eth2_rename. Why is this happening, and what does it mean? Thanks. |
| 18:28.50 | x_link | Is it not possible to take a snapshot when you have the K Menu open? |
| 18:28.56 | Pitr | (needed bleeding edge svn features) |
| 18:28.57 | _Gnea_ | Pitr: oh, i don't know about testing. that version is currently in sid though |
| 18:29.06 | Pitr | _Gnea_: hum. |
| 18:29.25 | IndridCold | okay back to the drawing board then |
| 18:29.31 | amphi | acc_: mine comes up as eth1 - you have ifrename or something there? |
| 18:29.35 | dererk[w] | did anyone use LVM2 and 2.6 kernels to mount ROOT ( / ) fs ? |
| 18:29.46 | stew | x_link: how do you normally take a screenshot? |
| 18:29.57 | x_link | Same way as in Windows |
| 18:29.59 | stew | dererk[w]: sure |
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| 18:30.02 | x_link | Pressing Print Screen |
| 18:30.03 | acc_ | amphi: ifrename ... where? |
| 18:30.35 | stew | x_link: "/msg dpkg screenshot" will give you lots of ways of getting screenshots |
| 18:30.37 | x_link | stew: It works when I don't have the K Menu open, but I want to take a picture when it's open. |
| 18:30.38 | dererk[w] | stew, how did you rebuild inirtd image to add the module |
| 18:30.42 | x_link | Okey |
| 18:30.53 | sepski | dererk[w], guess once. you can atlest assume that the writers of the multitude of howtos on the topic have it :) |
| 18:30.57 | stew | dererk[w]: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version |
| 18:31.07 | amphi | acc_: it was just a guess - like I said, I have that card, and it manifests as eth1 |
| 18:31.11 | stew | dererk[w]: i didn't have to do anything special (other than using lilo instead of grub) |
| 18:31.14 | dererk[w] | stew, if that's correct |
| 18:31.20 | dererk[w] | I will cut my noots |
| 18:31.22 | amphi | acc_: earlier versions of the driver would create wlan0 |
| 18:31.41 | stew | dererk[w]: what version of debian? which kernel version? |
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| 18:32.04 | acc_ | amphi: This seems to shed a little light on my issue: http://andika-lives-here.blogspot.com/2006/09/mysterious-interface-rename.html |
| 18:32.12 | dererk[w] | stew, give me a second |
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| 18:32.27 | stew | dererk[w]: take as many seconds as you need |
| 18:32.37 | x_link | stew: I will do it with The GImp |
| 18:32.49 | Pitr | _Gnea_: where did you find it? |
| 18:32.58 | stew | x_link: you can use a "wait x number of seconds" in order to get the menu open |
| 18:33.09 | x_link | stew: With GIMP ? |
| 18:33.11 | amphi | acc_: oh, it's a udev thing? |
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| 18:33.23 | dererk[w] | stew, this is the situation: I've to migrate a production server from woody to sarge |
| 18:33.25 | x_link | I have just used The Gimp once. So I don't know where that option is. |
| 18:33.27 | stew | x_link: iirc, yes |
| 18:33.40 | acc_ | amphi: No idea yet. It just happened, without any configuration by me. |
| 18:33.55 | renga | h3sp4wn<- what I do with kdesu |
| 18:33.57 | renga | ? |
| 18:34.08 | x_link | stew: iirc? What do you mean+ |
| 18:34.09 | acc_ | amphi: ... apart from doing a recent upgrade (this is a "testing" box). |
| 18:34.16 | cydork | !iirc |
| 18:34.16 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 18:34.17 | stew | x_link: if i recall correctly |
| 18:34.20 | h3sp4wn | renga: scroll up I have already told you |
| 18:34.25 | x_link | ahaa okey. |
| 18:34.29 | x_link | Sorry. |
| 18:34.29 | dererk[w] | And, even about three hours of reading an so, I still can't undestand why LVM2 and Sarge kernels have problems |
| 18:34.40 | x_link | I will just try to find the option. |
| 18:34.43 | pjharper | Hi. I have Debian Sarge installed in a virtual machine on a 24 inch imac. It is working fine except the screen resolution is 800 X 600. Is there anybody else running Debian in a Parallels VM? |
| 18:34.50 | sepski | dererk[w], use lvm and sarge kernels no problem |
| 18:34.58 | sepski | dererk[w], you did read the release notes ? |
| 18:35.08 | Tallu | What would you suggest for extracting rar-files.. unrar-free seems to fail on every rar archive |
| 18:35.10 | dererk[w] | sepski, about 1000000 times up to now |
| 18:35.11 | renga | h3sp4wn<- ok thanks |
| 18:35.21 | dererk[w] | sepski, the problem is not sarge itself |
| 18:35.30 | stew | dererk[w]: putting /boot on lvm and using grub is a problem, i can promise you that. lilo doesn't have this problem |
| 18:35.37 | enouf | x_link: knapshot will do what you want |
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| 18:35.43 | dererk[w] | it's for those who come from woody throw upgrading |
| 18:35.52 | dererk[w] | stew, I know that :-) |
| 18:35.55 | sepski | dererk[w], i use /boot on a ext partition, |
| 18:36.18 | dererk[w] | yes, stop saying that, there's no other way |
| 18:36.53 | x_link | muahaaa |
| 18:36.57 | x_link | I actually found it |
| 18:36.57 | sepski | dererk[w], so what exactly is the problem ? the modues is not in the initrd ? or it's there but not detecting anything ? or what ? perhaps im daft but i havent seen a actual error description |
| 18:37.01 | x_link | But the picture got all black |
| 18:37.03 | dererk[w] | well, the easy way, how could I add a module to initrd image ? |
| 18:37.12 | x_link | enouf: Okey. Do I have to download it or does Debian already have it ? |
| 18:37.14 | roxy_ | could someone tells me if its /etc/cups/cupsd.conf got those lines: <Location /admin/conf>;AuthType Basic;Require user @SYSTEM;Order allow,deny;Allow localhost ? |
| 18:37.16 | enouf | x_link: set it towait 4 sec ..then open the kmenu and wait |
| 18:37.20 | sepski | dererk[w], add it to /etc/mkinitrd/modules and recreate |
| 18:37.21 | dererk[w] | 'cause seemed pretty stupid, but I still can't having it run |
| 18:37.30 | enouf | x_link: it's part of KDE |
| 18:37.39 | dererk[w] | sepski, recreate how ? |
| 18:37.47 | enouf | type ksnapshot from the terminal/konsole |
| 18:37.48 | sepski | dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-version |
| 18:37.56 | enouf | x_link:^^ |
| 18:38.10 | x_link | Okey. |
| 18:38.20 | enouf | locate ksnapshot |
| 18:38.21 | x_link | enouf: I did that with The Gimp |
| 18:38.21 | dererk[w] | sepski, thanks, I'll try |
| 18:38.25 | x_link | But the picture was just black |
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| 18:38.36 | enouf | x_link: alright .. |
| 18:38.50 | stew | dererk[w]: i haven't tried this with mkinitrd, only with initramfs-tools and yaird which aren't in sarge |
| 18:38.57 | roxy_ | I am running unstable. How risky is it to downgrade all pam packages ? |
| 18:39.05 | stew | dererk[w]: we're hoping your using aptitude and not apt-get for the upgrade, of course |
| 18:39.09 | Kassah | I'm looking for advice on what kernel to use on a dual-Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 275 box with 6GB of ram... |
| 18:39.25 | dererk[w] | stew, I did |
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| 18:39.57 | x_link | enouf: LOL |
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| 18:40.03 | x_link | Now it just took a pic of the taskbar hehehe |
| 18:40.04 | x_link | brb |
| 18:40.12 | Kassah | should I use amd64 or k7? |
| 18:40.29 | sarefo | hi, i have an ip conflict with a windows machine that is connected to the same router (both identify as 192.168.1.33). as i *don't* want to fiddle with the windows config, i'd like to know how to change debian so that it uses a different ip. as this is dhcp, it should get a different address automatically, no? |
| 18:40.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:40.57 | abrotman | sounds like someone isn't using dhcp |
| 18:41.08 | stew | Kassah: IF you are going to stick to a debian kernel, a k7 kernel would only support 4gigs |
| 18:41.16 | sepski | dererk[w], you should be able to use grep modulename initrd.image.file and it should spit out "binary file matches" if you got the module in there |
| 18:41.33 | Kassah | stew: I'd prefer to stick with a debian kernel |
| 18:41.51 | abrotman | sarefo: if the win32 box is hardcoded to one IP .. tell your router not to give that IP out |
| 18:41.55 | Kassah | stew: so k7 is my best bet? |
| 18:42.02 | abrotman | no |
| 18:42.11 | abrotman | k7 supports 4GB out of the box |
| 18:42.16 | deceptacon | hey guys. got a prob with debian menu: the debian menu is completely empty in gnome-panel. ive tried update-menus but to no avail. logged in logged off. reinstalled menu and menu-xdg. funny thing is the debian menu shows up fine in xfce |
| 18:42.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:42.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:42.19 | jerb | or the lease didnt expire on his MAC address so the DHCP just gives out teh old one |
| 18:42.30 | dererk[w] | sepski, let me give it a try |
| 18:42.46 | tarzeau | stew: one can make k7 kernels that support a lot more memory |
| 18:42.52 | tarzeau | stew: it's a limit created by debian |
| 18:42.57 | stew | Kassah: no, k8 would be better, k7 would only support 4 gb |
| 18:43.10 | tarzeau | debian builds k8 kernels now? |
| 18:43.11 | stew | tarzeau: yes. i know, he has said he wants to use a debian kernel |
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| 18:43.19 | tarzeau | he shouldn't |
| 18:43.34 | Kassah | tarzeau: ? |
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| 18:43.48 | dererk[w] | sepski, stew, http://paste.debian.net/14637 |
| 18:44.30 | stew | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 sarge |
| 18:44.35 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD64 systems), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 12939 kB, Installed size: 45496 kB |
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| 18:44.50 | Kassah | stew: no smp? |
| 18:45.06 | stew | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp sarge |
| 18:45.10 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD64 SMP systems), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 12900 kB, Installed size: 45576 kB |
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| 18:45.25 | PepperBob | hey everyone! |
| 18:45.28 | stew | Kassah: i meant that mostly as a reponse to tarzeau sayin "debian builds k8 kernels now?" |
| 18:45.36 | PepperBob | is anyone using debian for amd64? |
| 18:45.38 | sepski | dererk[w], i never saw something like that, but heck grep and see if it matchesn and try it |
| 18:45.41 | tarzeau | Kassah: build your own kernel |
| 18:45.45 | tarzeau | PepperBob: yes |
| 18:45.46 | stew | PepperBob: lots of people |
| 18:45.48 | PepperBob | how about stability there? |
| 18:45.49 | roxy_ | what is the best way to get a lot of debug info from pam ? |
| 18:45.52 | tarzeau | PepperBob: just fine |
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| 18:45.59 | eeyore- | anabain: still here? |
| 18:46.05 | PepperBob | tarzeau, sounds good. i think i'll switch then... |
| 18:46.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you going to help him build his own? |
| 18:46.06 | PepperBob | :) |
| 18:46.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure |
| 18:46.20 | abrotman | get crackin |
| 18:46.28 | tarzeau | make-kpkg is not a magic |
| 18:46.31 | abrotman | and don't wander off like you always do |
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| 18:46.47 | tarzeau | Kassah: you want to build your own kernel? |
| 18:46.53 | dererk[w] | believe it or not |
| 18:47.00 | dererk[w] | about three hours later |
| 18:47.06 | dererk[w] | It finally boot |
| 18:47.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got a life, building a kernel is 10-30 mintues work, the rest is compile time |
| 18:47.14 | Kassah | tarzeau: it's my work box... and I don't have much time for downtime... I want something garunteed to work the first time for now |
| 18:47.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: and once spent this time, it's much less for the next time |
| 18:47.20 | dererk[w] | sepski, stew thanks a lot both for your time! |
| 18:47.23 | sepski | dererk[w], that's what #debian is for |
| 18:47.25 | abrotman | if you say so .. have a good time |
| 18:47.33 | tarzeau | Kassah: that's certainly possible. how many times did you build a linux kernel ? |
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| 18:47.49 | sepski | siiighh i guess it's soon time to start upgrading those potatoes... |
| 18:47.53 | PepperBob | erm.. does someone have a link where to download an install image for amd64? |
| 18:47.54 | Kassah | tarzeau: I used to only use Gentoo... before they had genkernel |
| 18:47.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: or you could just leave him be and let him work with a functional kernel |
| 18:48.00 | Kassah | tarzeau: quite a bit |
| 18:48.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: ugh... what if he can't use all his memory? |
| 18:48.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: really building a kernel tailored for your hardware isn't all that magic |
| 18:48.35 | Kassah | tarzeau: that's something I can fix later... right now I can't use 3 of my 4 procs |
| 18:48.37 | stew | tarzeau: why wouldn't he be able to use all of his memory? |
| 18:48.41 | tarzeau | Kassah: can you just answer my questions? |
| 18:48.42 | sarefo | you don't by chance have an idea where to look up if a windows machine is using dhcp? :) |
| 18:48.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: he can ... |
| 18:48.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: just because you don't know how to use linux .. jeez |
| 18:48.58 | tarzeau | stew: or whatever stuff the debian kernels don't support for his hardware |
| 18:49.04 | stew | tarzeau: like what? |
| 18:49.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: i certainly do |
| 18:49.11 | abrotman | train wreck is comin! |
| 18:49.20 | tarzeau | stew: look i just came in late, and didn't all the conversation with him. i'm guessing |
| 18:49.20 | Kassah | yeah... think I'll get off now =) |
| 18:49.35 | tarzeau | stew: 4gb kernels (himem 4gb) allow you to use only about 3,7gb of your 4gb memory) |
| 18:49.35 | abrotman | Kassah: enjoy! |
| 18:49.41 | eeyore- | abrotman: may i introduce you to gentoo? |
| 18:49.53 | abrotman | eeyore-: i've got a 486 at home doing nothing! |
| 18:49.54 | stew | tarzeau: yes, that is why we told him to use a 64 bit kernel, (which has a 48 bit address space) |
| 18:50.09 | Kassah | I love Gentoo... I just don't have the time for it anymore =( |
| 18:50.12 | tarzeau | stew: ah true, debian has them now? since when? |
| 18:50.24 | stew | tarzeau: sarge released with them |
| 18:50.32 | eeyore- | tarzeau: quite some time ago (64-bit kernels) |
| 18:50.39 | eeyore- | tarzeau: over a year i think ... |
| 18:50.42 | Kassah | stew: is there any problem with me upgrading from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6? |
| 18:50.45 | tarzeau | eeyore-: but what about non-64 bit kernels? |
| 18:50.51 | stew | Kassah: do you boot off sata? |
| 18:50.58 | eeyore- | tarzeau: what about them? |
| 18:51.00 | Kassah | stew: yep |
| 18:51.05 | kill4killin | eeyore- need help still |
| 18:51.09 | tarzeau | eeyore-: are they also built with 64gb highmem? |
| 18:51.17 | eeyore- | tarzeau: uh .. don't know? |
| 18:51.18 | abrotman | !kernel configs |
| 18:51.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kernel configs is found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
| 18:51.24 | eeyore- | kill4killin: what's the issue now? |
| 18:51.28 | kill4killin | same thing |
| 18:51.39 | kill4killin | i tried both your suggestions with PS/2 and auto |
| 18:51.43 | tarzeau | eeyore-: look it up? |
| 18:51.44 | eeyore- | kill4killin: mouse still moves weird? it can't be kernel upgrades :-) |
| 18:51.47 | stew | Kassah: yes, your sata drives will switch from /dev/hdx to /dev/sdx so your boot loader will have to know to pass the kernel a different root= parameter |
| 18:51.48 | kill4killin | not at all |
| 18:51.49 | tarzeau | eeyore-: i don't run debian kernels... |
| 18:51.55 | tarzeau | eeyore-: last time i did, it was like that |
| 18:51.56 | eeyore- | tarzeau: heck, i don't even run debian :-) |
| 18:51.57 | stew | tarzeau: 64 bit linux kernels don't have a highmem option |
| 18:52.01 | kill4killin | eeyore- its not, im running an old old kernel |
| 18:52.02 | eeyore- | tarzeau: well, ok, not day to day anyway |
| 18:52.09 | tarzeau | stew: nobody was talking about 64 bit kernels here |
| 18:52.13 | tarzeau | somebody just started |
| 18:52.17 | tarzeau | i was talking 32 bit kernels |
| 18:52.23 | Kassah | stew: k... will keep that in mind |
| 18:52.23 | tarzeau | it's obvious with the 64 bit kernels |
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| 18:52.53 | eeyore- | kill4killin: so what's the problem now? |
| 18:52.59 | kill4killin | mouse no move |
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| 18:53.17 | Kassah | stew: when I install kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp will it keep my old kernel so I can boot on that if it fails? |
| 18:53.21 | eeyore- | kill4killin: ls /dev/input/ |
| 18:53.42 | kill4killin | eeyore- ok |
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| 18:54.05 | stew | Kassah: yes |
| 18:54.06 | abrotman | Kassah: yes |
| 18:54.11 | kill4killin | mice, mouse0, mouse1, mouse2, mouse4 |
| 18:54.12 | kill4killin | 3* |
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| 18:54.58 | Shendar | hi.i have installed debian=), then xchat, but when i' gonna to start him , become one message that "gtk.... and som." |
| 18:55.13 | Shendar | what i must do? |
| 18:55.21 | Shendar | i hope it's noob problem |
| 18:55.24 | eeyore- | kill4killin: cat /dev/input/mouse0, wiggle mouse, any output on screen? repeat for mouse1, mouse2, mouse3, etc. whichever one generates output when you wiggle mouse, that's the device you put in your X config file |
| 18:55.28 | kill4killin | im going to try dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 18:55.34 | eeyore- | kill4killin: or, just use /dev/input/mice to get input from all mice |
| 18:55.39 | eJunky | hello everybody, can anybody help me with an "uupdate" problem? |
| 18:55.47 | roxy_ | Shendar: have you installed xchat using aptitude ? |
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| 18:56.14 | Shendar | roxy_ synaptic. |
| 18:56.17 | enouf | x_link: it does that until you select Full Screen (or similar) from the dropdown menu options |
| 18:56.30 | zinx | eeyore-: or one could put /dev/input/mice there :/ |
| 18:56.31 | Shendar | i have 2 dvd's with debian |
| 18:56.36 | eeyore- | kill4killin: for me, i use specific mouse device when i have both pointing stick and PS/2. i hate the pointing stick and i don't want to use /dev/input/mice to get accidental input from the stick |
| 18:56.42 | eeyore- | zinx: see above |
| 18:56.42 | eJunky | I made a package of a software with release 0.10rc1 and now uupdate aborts "updating" to 0.10. any ideas how to force it? |
| 18:56.48 | enouf | x_link: otherwise it wants to grab the window/taskbar whatever beneatht the mouse only |
| 18:56.58 | roxy_ | Shendar: can you paste the error message somewhere ? |
| 18:57.09 | Kassah | stew: is there a way to tell wheather I have lilo or grub installed? |
| 18:57.15 | abrotman | eJunky: errors are helpful |
| 18:57.24 | Shendar | i'll try. one mom. please |
| 18:57.31 | roxy_ | Kassah: do you have /boot/grub ? |
| 18:57.33 | abrotman | Kassah: do /etc/lilo.conf and /boot/grub/menu.lst exist ? |
| 18:57.44 | eJunky | abrotman: New Release will be 0.10-1. |
| 18:57.44 | eJunky | uupdate: new version 0.10-1 <= current version 0.10rc1-1.1; aborting! |
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| 18:58.04 | abrotman | eJunky: force a downgrade ? |
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| 18:58.09 | Kassah | perfect... have grub |
| 18:58.27 | eJunky | abrotman: not a downgrade, an upgrade rc1 comes before the release. |
| 18:58.35 | IndridCold | gah I can't get windows to authenticate to my debian samba share |
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| 18:58.48 | IndridCold | have I got to do something special to let it accept windows connections ? |
| 18:58.57 | IndridCold | works fine with my Mac |
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| 18:59.11 | kill4killin | eeyore-: everytime i do the cat /dev/input/mousex it says there is no such device |
| 18:59.15 | kill4killin | uh oh |
| 18:59.35 | Shendar | roxy_ in root it worjs |
| 18:59.38 | Shendar | *works |
| 18:59.51 | Shendar | but in user nothing... |
| 18:59.53 | abrotman | eJunky: no .. your numbers imply that .10 has already been released |
| 19:00.00 | kill4killin | eeyore-: i have to go to work, ill be on in a minute once i get there, it will be 2 minutes |
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| 19:00.06 | abrotman | !tell shendarr about root |
| 19:00.30 | Kassah | stew, everyone: thanks... everything is prepped for when I restart the box in 2.5 hours |
| 19:00.38 | eJunky | abrotman: mmh, but that was not intended... can I resolve that? |
| 19:00.48 | roxy_ | !tell Shendar about root |
| 19:00.50 | abrotman | purge the currently installed package ? |
| 19:00.59 | eeyore- | has anybody played with a core 2 duo machine yet? |
| 19:01.04 | abrotman | roxy_: i already told the actual person :) |
| 19:01.15 | abrotman | eeyore-: tried to play catch .. damn ball hog |
| 19:01.22 | eJunky | abrotman: bad idea, it's needed for now. |
| 19:01.28 | roxy_ | abrotman: I just to slow :( |
| 19:01.46 | abrotman | roxy_: you told the wrong person too :) |
| 19:01.48 | eJunky | abrotman: I just wanted to build a new package with the release and update that. |
| 19:02.06 | roxy_ | abrotman: no Shendar is using xchat as root |
| 19:02.11 | abrotman | eJunky: you're going to purge it .. then install the new one .. like `apt-get --purge remove <pkg> && dpkg -i <pkg>` |
| 19:02.24 | abrotman | or don't purge it if you need the conf files |
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| 19:02.55 | Shendar | hmm |
| 19:03.26 | eJunky | abrotman: but I just want to rebuild the binary package... it is not even installed on the buildsystem |
| 19:03.43 | Shendar | ok... i know about root, but only in root i can start xchat. in user it doesent's works |
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| 19:03.47 | roxy_ | Shendar: when using as a normal user, xchat should tell you what it wants to do that need root priviledge. |
| 19:03.49 | abrotman | afaict .. it's still a downgrade |
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| 19:04.31 | CruX| | hi pls what is %si in top ? |
| 19:04.32 | CruX| | Cpu(s): 21.8%us, 0.8%sy, 0.2%ni, 75.5%id, 1.2%wa, 0.2%hi, 0.2%si, 0.0%st |
| 19:04.43 | roxy_ | Shendar: so pasting the complete error message would be useful. |
| 19:04.44 | CruX| | and %hi ? |
| 19:04.50 | madclicker | anyone managed to install fglrx drivers for etch and xorg 7.0 ? |
| 19:05.57 | roxy_ | With such a message, what can I do to debug the problem: Oct 10 19:52:22 home PAM-warn[11082]: function=[pam_sm_authenticate] service=[cupsys] terminal=[<unknown>] user=[root] ruser=[<unknown>] rhost=[<unknown>] |
| 19:06.07 | x_link | enouf: Now I know how to do. Right under the the photo delay,there you have to choose Whole Screen |
| 19:06.12 | x_link | Now it works =) |
| 19:06.29 | x_link | enouf: Thanks ALOT for your help & Support, I really appreciate it alot ! |
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| 19:06.33 | x_link | I LOVE this linux. |
| 19:06.43 | x_link | I don't regreet a second that I installed it. |
| 19:06.45 | x_link | =) |
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| 19:07.08 | PepperBob | x_link, alright.. i think we got it ;) |
| 19:07.15 | enouf | x_link: hey .. no prob :-) |
| 19:07.18 | _Gnea_ | great, another tremor in the internet |
| 19:07.20 | Shendar | ohh... i'll try... i must close vnc now... |
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| 19:07.42 | x_link | PepperBob: hehe sorry. |
| 19:07.47 | roxy_ | CruX|: man top <return>/si <return> |
| 19:07.50 | abrotman | _Gnea_: got gas ? |
| 19:08.13 | _Gnea_ | abrotman: got tcp/ip? |
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| 19:08.26 | SiLOX | My computer wont start "devices/platform/i8042/serio0/serio2/bus errror" PLEASE HELP ME!! |
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| 19:08.56 | _Gnea_ | SiLOX: that doesn't say anything, you'll need to be more specific of your setup. |
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| 19:09.10 | abrotman | _Gnea_: nah |
| 19:09.18 | kill4killin | eeyore-: ok, so you were saying something about cat /dev/input/mouse'X' |
| 19:09.20 | SiLOX | i run Ubuntu 6.10 |
| 19:09.33 | _Gnea_ | then you need to ask in #ubuntu |
| 19:09.33 | SiLOX | I have a Dell Dimension 8100 Laptop |
| 19:09.37 | epsilon | SiLOX: #ubuntu |
| 19:09.40 | _Gnea_ | !ubuntu |
| 19:09.40 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 19:09.41 | SiLOX | they doesnt know |
| 19:09.53 | CruX| | roxy_: too much si there |
| 19:09.54 | epsilon | it's their distro |
| 19:10.00 | cydork | !they don't know |
| 19:10.00 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:10.03 | CruX| | roxy_: can't find what it is |
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| 19:10.10 | SiLOX | yes but u dont have any clue then? |
| 19:10.23 | tarzeau | SiLOX: yes most of us do |
| 19:10.23 | h3sp4wn | SiLOX: You want ubuntu+1 |
| 19:10.30 | tarzeau | SiLOX: but the point is that you don't run debian |
| 19:10.40 | _Gnea_ | !based on debian |
| 19:10.41 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 19:10.45 | startxwhite | i am in the UK and a friend gave me a nokia 6630 which i want to unlock. there are plenty of free -as in beer- windows apps to do so but so far i have not found any for gnu/linux. help me! i am skint! |
| 19:10.48 | roxy_ | CruX|: reread what I typed, the space after si is important :-) |
| 19:10.53 | tarzeau | _Gnea_: and asking debian questions over there? |
| 19:10.56 | abrotman | you are skint ? |
| 19:11.07 | tarzeau | _Gnea_: they are a lot more rude, i did some testing |
| 19:11.09 | zamuro | Anyone has configured debian amd64 to see avi files? I'm kinda running out of ideas now... |
| 19:11.11 | Ronin | tarzeau: may as well, they do it often enough here :) |
| 19:11.15 | _Gnea_ | tarzeau: at least find out what and why they can't support their own damn distro |
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| 19:11.16 | roxy_ | CruX|: it is the first find in my man page |
| 19:11.17 | SiLOX | okey then i go back to #ubuntu ^^ |
| 19:11.33 | _Gnea_ | tarzeau: i'm gonna do this. |
| 19:11.40 | epsilon | zamuro: avi is only a container, tells nothing about the codec |
| 19:11.41 | tarzeau | _Gnea_: i'm gonna watch |
| 19:11.46 | w0rd55 | #ubuntu is a bad support chan... |
| 19:11.52 | eJunky | abrotman: ok. .. I'll have to look for another way but thanks anyway. |
| 19:11.53 | abrotman | oh goody .. intentional trolling |
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| 19:12.12 | kill4killin | does anyone have any ideas why my mouse wont work anymore? First it was acting weird by moving only randomly, then after i restarted thinking that it just started up weird, it didnt work at all |
| 19:12.12 | enouf | \o/ |
| 19:12.18 | epsilon | well it's #ubuntu. you get what the developers was payed for |
| 19:12.21 | startxwhite | abrotman: yes i am skint! |
| 19:12.30 | _Gnea_ | tarzeau: LMFAO |
| 19:12.34 | startxwhite | abrotman: help! |
| 19:12.46 | zamuro | epsilon: I know... I've been trying to get the codecs... Still no sucess. Installed vlc, but got no image. |
| 19:12.52 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: I am using debian, can you help me ? |
| 19:12.54 | tarzeau | _Gnea_: :) |
| 19:13.17 | epsilon | zamuro: find out which codec is used and dig in howtos |
| 19:13.21 | abrotman | for real guys .. not damn funny |
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| 19:13.31 | abrotman | you all bitch and moan about how they do it here .. |
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| 19:13.43 | SiLOX | cant get any help from #ubuntu #kubuntu or google :( |
| 19:13.44 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: only if you tell me what the problem is |
| 19:13.51 | Ronin | turn about can be fair play abrotman, although it tends to make things worse |
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| 19:13.59 | abrotman | SiLOX: honestly .. ask #ubuntu |
| 19:13.59 | cydork | SiLOX, muhahahahah |
| 19:14.01 | w0rd55 | abrotman: intentional tolling? |
| 19:14.01 | zamuro | epsilon: Already done it. Read every single codec howto I found. |
| 19:14.06 | w0rd55 | abrotman: *trolling |
| 19:14.10 | w0rd55 | abrotman: more like the fucking truth... |
| 19:14.11 | kill4killin | SiLOX: www.google.com/linux |
| 19:14.17 | abrotman | Ronin: duh .. we get enough intentional trolling from them |
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| 19:14.20 | w0rd55 | abrotman: asking a question in there is about as useful as fucking a hog |
| 19:14.26 | abrotman | w0rd55: it doesn't matter |
| 19:14.26 | zamuro | I wouldn't be asking here if I ever found the answer in google. |
| 19:14.40 | SiLOX | kill4killin yes of course |
| 19:14.58 | SiLOX | kill4killin but that doesnt help me |
| 19:15.01 | abrotman | zamuro: tried the w32codecs from marillat ? |
| 19:15.04 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: I tried to setup my printer, go to localhost:631 and when ask for password I typed "root" and the rootpassword. I got refused. |
| 19:15.05 | abrotman | SiLOX: GO TO #ubuntu |
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| 19:15.17 | kill4killin | SiLOX: what is your problem again? |
| 19:15.17 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: I got this message in log: Oct 10 19:52:22 home PAM-warn[11082]: function=[pam_sm_authenticate] service=[cupsys] terminal=[<unknown>] user=[root] ruser=[<unknown>] rhost=[<unknown>] |
| 19:15.18 | w0rd55 | SiLOX: use google or try #ubuntu on efnet |
| 19:15.24 | abrotman | kill4killin: go to #ubuntu with him |
| 19:15.27 | zamuro | abrotman: Yup... got no response when I apt-get updated it. |
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| 19:15.32 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: you didn't type in the system root password properly then |
| 19:15.33 | w0rd55 | SiLOX: #ubuntu on freenet is flooded with n00bz |
| 19:15.34 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: I already purge/reinstall cupsys |
| 19:15.35 | enouf | SiLOX: Boot a LiveCD or RescueCD |
| 19:15.37 | abrotman | zamuro: apt-cache search codecs |
| 19:15.47 | kill4killin | abrotman: lol |
| 19:15.47 | stew | w0rd55: please keep it on-topic |
| 19:15.53 | abrotman | kill4killin: it's not a joke |
| 19:15.54 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: I am on it for 3 days, I _did_ typed it properly |
| 19:15.57 | w0rd55 | stew: please keep it on-toppic |
| 19:16.03 | abrotman | please ban him |
| 19:16.07 | kill4killin | abrotman: why do you want me to go with him, i dont use ubuntu |
| 19:16.09 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: then it would have let you in |
| 19:16.09 | w0rd55 | abrotman: do a whois... |
| 19:16.12 | w0rd55 | abrotman: bnc... |
| 19:16.14 | abrotman | don't care |
| 19:16.33 | abrotman | kill4killin: he is .. if you want to help him .. go to #ubuntu |
| 19:16.35 | CruX| | roxy_: pls what is %si then ? |
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| 19:16.38 | SiLOX | enouf Rescue CD is a good idea thx iĺl try to find one to ubuntu |
| 19:16.43 | kill4killin | abrotman: o, i missed that |
| 19:16.44 | stew | w0rd55: do you have anything debian related? |
| 19:16.44 | _Gnea_ | w0rd55: do you think you're some sort of 31337 h4x0r? |
| 19:16.46 | enouf | SiLOX: ok ..then get more help over elsewhere (#ubuntu) for specific logs and fixing whatever is wrong |
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| 19:16.54 | jetx | OWEKAY |
| 19:16.58 | roxy_ | CruX|: The amount of time the CPU has been servicing software interrupts. |
| 19:17.01 | w0rd55 | _Gnea_: no...but bnc does prevent most bans if you cover a large number of hosts ;P |
| 19:17.12 | w0rd55 | _Gnea_: so take your 3l113337 kiddy script talk somewhere else |
| 19:17.16 | _Gnea_ | w0rd55: you are an idiot :) |
| 19:17.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:17.22 | dpkg | hmm... qotd147 is <alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines |
| 19:17.26 | w0rd55 | _Gnea_: lol |
| 19:17.32 | w0rd55 | _Gnea_: are you that stupid? |
| 19:17.35 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 19:17.36 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@63.211.212.131] by stew |
| 19:17.36 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 19:17.42 | stew | move on |
| 19:17.44 | _Gnea_ | w0rd55: what? :) |
| 19:17.47 | jetx | i have a box with a working debian install, and an hd with some bastard seeming knoppix install that is 203 days old. i have no floppies, i have no cd drive. how do i install debian??? |
| 19:17.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: got a new game? |
| 19:17.55 | jetx | the hd is in the working box |
| 19:17.58 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: say I typed the password correctly, what would you do then to debug the problem ? |
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| 19:18.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: haven't been playing many lately |
| 19:18.18 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: I got no problem so su . |
| 19:18.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: can you package non-free stuff? |
| 19:18.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: man zep's dreamland on happypenguin looks nice, but no source :( |
| 19:18.29 | jetx | !tell roxy_ -about i forgot root's password |
| 19:18.29 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: passwd in a terminal to change the root password, then type it into the browser again to make sure it's not typo'd |
| 19:18.29 | abrotman | erm .. that came out wrong :) |
| 19:18.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: can you package .. binary-only stuffs ? |
| 19:18.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure, can you send me a box with cookies for it? |
| 19:18.44 | Bushmills | jetx, boot floppies |
| 19:18.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes i can -- actually i do, for at work |
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| 19:18.51 | rhsanborn | Hey guys, I was hoping one of you might be able to help me remember the name of a disk utility. It creates an image of the disk and lets you load it to an ftp server. I know it isn't partimage... |
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| 19:18.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. i meant .. package RoTT! :) |
| 19:18.58 | jetx | Bushmills: i have no floppies here atm |
| 19:19.04 | peterS | rhsanborn: dump? |
| 19:19.06 | peterS | rhsanborn: cat? |
| 19:19.10 | _Gnea_ | rhsanborn: dd? |
| 19:19.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: only if you package some cookies and send them over to me |
| 19:19.20 | Bushmills | jetx: borrow 2 to 6 from your neighbour |
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| 19:19.24 | peterS | _Gnea_: why use dd when you can use cat? cat is generally more efficient |
| 19:19.25 | rhsanborn | Found it! finally, G4L |
| 19:19.25 | roxy_ | jetx: I didn't forgot the root password but thanks :-) |
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| 19:19.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.loomsoft.net/images/zeps_dreamland/001.jpg |
| 19:19.54 | jetx | Bushmills: the neighbor's are businesses... and don't have any anyway i tried |
| 19:20.06 | _Gnea_ | peterS: the job gets done properly, what's the difference? |
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| 19:20.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: looks nice |
| 19:20.15 | JacksLivr | afternoon all: i am used to fedora/red hat. I use the chkconfg command to add/remove/list what init scripts fire off at a particular runlevel. what is the equiv in ubuntu? (ex. httpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:off 5:on 6:off) |
| 19:20.16 | jetx | !debtakeover |
| 19:20.16 | dpkg | i guess debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 19:20.18 | kill4killin | peterS: what does cat do exactly? I was told earlier to do cat blablahblah, what does it do? |
| 19:20.23 | peterS | _Gnea_: the difference is that dd has a clunky interface where cat and cp have sane interfaces |
| 19:20.25 | kill4killin | !cat |
| 19:20.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: all the stuff that looks nice is without source: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?E.V.E.%20Paradox%20%28Free%20Edition%29 |
| 19:20.25 | dpkg | [cat] a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. see also <more> <less> <dog> |
| 19:20.29 | Bushmills | jetx: mail order a pack of floppies |
| 19:20.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: i figured |
| 19:20.42 | jetx | Bushmills: but i want it NOW :) |
| 19:20.53 | peterS | _Gnea_: and there is also this mysterious belief that if you are dealing with block devices you must use dd rather than cp. it's the weirdest thing. even people like you seem to believe it. |
| 19:20.55 | _Gnea_ | peterS: but you have to type one more character with cat. and dd offers more command line options. |
| 19:21.09 | enouf | !dog |
| 19:21.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, dog is at http://www.nl.linux.org/~wsl/dog.html (Buffering replacement for cat) or a mammal which is sometimes called mans best friend, or a footstool, or god spelled backwards, or cats from www, or http://mfrost.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/gracem.jpg |
| 19:21.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: will you create one debian package one day? this year? |
| 19:21.21 | _Gnea_ | peterS: i know that cp will work too, but if i want to fine-tune something, dd does the job |
| 19:21.21 | enouf | interesting .. |
| 19:21.35 | jetx | ok so how do i cp /proc and /sys |
| 19:21.43 | jetx | i can just cp my working install |
| 19:21.46 | peterS | _Gnea_: don't suggest dd to n00bs. they will not know what the command line options are that you find so useful. suggest cp instead, it's easier to use. |
| 19:21.52 | Kassah | peterS: I find dd is useful when copying a floppy identically... cp is useful when you don't care about identicalness |
| 19:21.55 | enouf | jetx: you don't afaik |
| 19:21.57 | roxy_ | _ |
| 19:22.06 | peterS | Kassah: what? cp is just as good as dd for an identical copy |
| 19:22.17 | kill4killin | can someone give me a hand at getting my mouse to work in xfce? I configured it once, it worked, then i had to reboot my computer, so after i did that, it was sportatic and didnt move right, then it just stopped working all together |
| 19:22.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: closest thing i've found so far is roadnav .. which already has ITP i think |
| 19:22.24 | jetx | if i could run a live cd i'd just cp the entire thing |
| 19:22.25 | Kassah | peterS: including filesystem properties? |
| 19:22.28 | _Gnea_ | peterS: that's just like saying that everyone in corporate america should use gnome without any bells and whistles because they're too unintelligent and will become confused. |
| 19:22.31 | peterS | Kassah: are you one of those people with the strange belief that 'dd' works on block devices but 'cp' does not? |
| 19:22.36 | buu | Ok, hrm. |
| 19:22.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: how old is the ITP? |
| 19:22.38 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: I su, passwd aaaaaa, restarted cupsys, typed root/aaaaaa same result. |
| 19:22.43 | buu | peterS: How can I turn this unbuntu in to debian? |
| 19:22.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: a few months i think .. i think there was a license issue |
| 19:22.56 | abrotman | buu: you can't |
| 19:23.00 | peterS | Kassah: "cp /dev/fd0 /tmp/foo.img" is just as good as "dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/tmp/foo.img". and a lot easier to type and remember |
| 19:23.01 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: try 127.0.0.1:631 instead of localhost:631 |
| 19:23.04 | buu | abrotman: =[ |
| 19:23.06 | jetx | lies |
| 19:23.09 | buu | abrotman: There must be a way. |
| 19:23.16 | jetx | i'm GOING to turn this knoppix into debian |
| 19:23.17 | Kassah | PecisDarbs: hmm... so cp works doing cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 ? |
| 19:23.22 | jetx | !debtakeover |
| 19:23.22 | dpkg | i heard debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 19:23.27 | peterS | Kassah: have you tried it? why wouldn't it work? |
| 19:23.30 | abrotman | buu: not really .. closest is debtakeover |
| 19:23.34 | buu | abrotman: I tried it =[ |
| 19:23.39 | landexem | I don't understand: How is the CSS on commercial video DVD discs not DRM? |
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| 19:23.54 | abrotman | landexem: doesn't tie the disc to you |
| 19:23.55 | jetx | different scheme, landexem |
| 19:23.58 | Kassah | peterS: neat... I have not... got a point... |
| 19:24.00 | _Gnea_ | landexem: offtopic. |
| 19:24.12 | Kassah | peterS: figured it wouldn't work for the same reason I can't copy /dev/null |
| 19:24.17 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: same result |
| 19:24.21 | peterS | Kassah: you can't? |
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| 19:24.27 | CRK-FOX | hello guys |
| 19:24.35 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: what branch is that? |
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| 19:24.38 | Kassah | peterS: aparently not... |
| 19:24.45 | JacksLivr | afternoon all: i am used to fedora/red hat. I use the chkconfg command to add/remove/list what init scripts fire off at a particular runlevel. what is the equiv in Debian? (ex. httpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:off 5:on 6:off) |
| 19:24.58 | _Gnea_ | JacksLivr: update-rc.d |
| 19:25.03 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: unstable 2.6.18-1-486 |
| 19:25.18 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: your cpu is a 486? |
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| 19:25.36 | JacksLivr | _Gnea_: can i list them? |
| 19:25.47 | _Gnea_ | JacksLivr: man update-rc.d |
| 19:25.50 | JacksLivr | i can tell that it will let me change them |
| 19:25.53 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ |
| 19:26.04 | abrotman | JacksLivr: update-rc.d and rcconf |
| 19:26.14 | Kassah | peterS: http://pastebin.ca/196627 |
| 19:26.16 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: mkay, so why use a kernel that's compiled for a 486 with an Athlon? |
| 19:26.16 | peterS | Kassah: cp just opens the input file for reading, the output file for writing, and then reads from the input file until it gets EOF, and writes to the output file. the only complication is that if the input file has the execute bit set, it opens the output file with a mode that will create the execute bit if the output file does not already exist |
| 19:26.23 | landexem | abrotman: I see, so AACS is not technically considered DRM either, seeing as the niether Image Constraint Token nor watermarking are a unique identification per licensed copy? |
| 19:26.39 | abrotman | landexem: i don't know what AACS is so i can't comment |
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| 19:26.48 | peterS | Kassah: looks like it worked perfectly |
| 19:26.56 | abrotman | much to korea's dismay .. i buy my cds |
| 19:26.58 | jetx | drm/css is like yaird/initramfs |
| 19:26.58 | Kassah | peterS: diddn't copy the special property of it |
| 19:27.01 | peterS | Kassah: it created a zero-length 'null' file just like it was supposed to |
| 19:27.08 | jetx | 2 ways to achieve same goal |
| 19:27.17 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: I installed it some months ago and was told that this kernel was ok. |
| 19:27.21 | _Gnea_ | korea can go and fuck themselves, keeping the radiation within their own boundaries |
| 19:27.23 | peterS | Kassah: of course it doesn't create the special property of the null file. you wouldn't want 'cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1' to do _that_, would you? |
| 19:27.26 | kill4killin | haha |
| 19:27.30 | _Gnea_ | :) |
| 19:27.44 | kill4killin | i love just listening to some of this stuff sometimes |
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| 19:27.54 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: it seems wildly inefficient - you should consider the -k7 version |
| 19:27.57 | landexem | jetx: But DRM is a broader catagory encompassing many thing, while CSS is merely one proprietary encryption technology. |
| 19:28.13 | Kassah | peterS: *chuckles* |
| 19:28.20 | kill4killin | _Gnea_: isnt there a k8 version yet? |
| 19:28.24 | kill4killin | or is that the amd64 |
| 19:28.31 | _Gnea_ | that's amd64 |
| 19:28.34 | Kassah | _Gnea_: it's amd64-k8 |
| 19:28.39 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: yes, next time I trash my system I'll use a amd64 kernel. |
| 19:28.51 | _Gnea_ | but k7 is the 32bit end of the AMD line |
| 19:28.54 | kill4killin | how is support for the 64 bit coming now a days, i haven't really kept up with it |
| 19:29.06 | abrotman | _Gnea_: i didn't specify which half :) |
| 19:29.13 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: only use the amd64 kernel if the OS itself is amd64 |
| 19:29.23 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: otherwise it won't work :) |
| 19:29.33 | peterS | Kassah: if you want to copy a device _file_, rather than its _contents_, you want 'cp -a'. and note that dd cannot do _that_. |
| 19:29.39 | infernix | is dpkg's !find broken? |
| 19:29.41 | _Gnea_ | abrotman: exactly :) north, of course |
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| 19:29.55 | _Gnea_ | the south is cool |
| 19:29.59 | landexem | jetx: As an extension to that point, I'd argue that there can be forms of DRM that are much more insidious and repressive than CSS ever was. |
| 19:30.07 | peterS | _Gnea_: what? where did you get the impression that the amd64 kernel would not work with the i386 distribution? |
| 19:30.29 | _Gnea_ | peterS: because i learned that the hard way. |
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| 19:30.37 | enouf | 14:56:36] <raf256> a fat version of Jesus |
| 19:30.37 | enouf | [14:56:50] <enouf> too many late night Quiznos runs |
| 19:30.41 | jetx | hey buu did debtakeover tell you you already have a debian system? |
| 19:30.43 | enouf | wtf?? |
| 19:30.47 | enouf | sorry |
| 19:30.48 | jetx | it just did me |
| 19:30.49 | peterS | _Gnea_: sarge supports this case explicitly, shipping a k8 kernel with the i386 install |
| 19:30.53 | JacksLivr | sysv-rc-conf is the equiv |
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| 19:31.09 | peterS | _Gnea_: certain things like iptables may fail, but the system as a whole is supported |
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| 19:32.07 | _Gnea_ | peterS: it was broken the last time i tried it. and i wanted a full-64bit system anyway, so i waited for some bugs to be fixed and installed the real thing on there and it's been fine since. |
| 19:32.07 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: any idea about my pam/cupsys problem ? |
| 19:32.07 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: no... you might want to try #cups |
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| 19:32.29 | kill4killin | is anyone here using the amd64? |
| 19:32.34 | _Gnea_ | peterS: yeah, iptables surely failed, and that was one of the reasons i left it to rot |
| 19:33.38 | asg | kill4killin: check with #debian-amd64 first |
| 19:33.47 | kill4killin | o, i didnt know we had one of those |
| 19:33.54 | peterS | _Gnea_: the iptables failure is a known kernel issue that nobody really cares about fixing - the answer you get is "why not just use k8 iptables" |
| 19:34.10 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: I did but my message feels very lonely :-) |
| 19:34.34 | _Gnea_ | peterS: screw that, it's either full 64bit or full 32bit, none of this mix-matching BS, with an exception to OO. |
| 19:34.55 | _Gnea_ | roxy_: they take awhile to respond, but when they do, they're very helpful :) |
| 19:35.25 | roxy_ | _Gnea_: cool :-) |
| 19:35.51 | Kassah | speaking of which... should I be worried about recompiling everything when swiching to amd64? |
| 19:35.58 | Kassah | reinstalling everything |
| 19:36.33 | _Gnea_ | Kassah: as long as you install a proper amd64 sarge distro from the ground-up, it shouldn't be a problem - you may run into minor things now and then, but there are forums and patches |
| 19:37.07 | Kassah | _Gnea_: right now I'm using just a base Debian 'sarge' install |
| 19:37.34 | _Gnea_ | Kassah: so a 32bit OS on an amd64 - cool |
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| 19:38.09 | Kassah | _Gnea_: yeah... but I just scheduled a restart with an amd68-k8 kernel-image... just wondering if everything will break |
| 19:38.14 | _Gnea_ | Kassah: switching to a full amd64 will increase performance bigtime |
| 19:38.28 | diamond__ | Hi sorry i border you guys but i have to know if there is a howto for install, configuring of exim4 i am asking in #exim but no ppl can give me answers i have readed the README.Debian.html but there is not much info about configuring exim4 anyone that can help me ? |
| 19:38.34 | _Gnea_ | Kassah: lots of things, but you'll get a taste of how fast it can be |
| 19:38.45 | Kassah | _Gnea_: yeah... especially since I've got 2 Dual-Core Opterons... |
| 19:39.01 | Kassah | _Gnea_: and I don't have a smp kernel installed currently |
| 19:39.12 | Kassah | just concerned it will break everything |
| 19:39.17 | _Gnea_ | diamond__: yeah, apt-get install exim4-<something> the debian config thing is pretty straight forward, you just need to do it |
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| 19:39.38 | kill4killin | ok, so #debian-amd64 is sleeping |
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| 19:39.41 | kill4killin | lol |
| 19:39.42 | _Gnea_ | Kassah: nah, it'll work fine, you can always recompile a new kernel later |
| 19:39.43 | diamond__ | i have done dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:39.52 | diamond__ | should that be enough |
| 19:39.59 | _Gnea_ | diamond__: yes |
| 19:40.34 | diamond__ | _Gnea_, : okay how to check if mail server is configured good and if its working ? |
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| 19:40.50 | _Gnea_ | try to send/receive email |
| 19:41.05 | SerajewelKS | will m-a work with xen kernels? |
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| 19:41.07 | diamond__ | _Gnea_, : i have to intall a pop3 server also right ? |
| 19:41.11 | HNT | Hell everybody, is there an "ultra" minimal version of Debian (by default, when I install it, I have at least some programs like exim4, nano, that I don't use) isn't there a very minimal version of debian with only a shell, vi and the apt ? |
| 19:41.22 | HNT | sorry hellO |
| 19:41.24 | _Gnea_ | diamond__: or you can install mutt and run that locally |
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| 19:41.37 | diamond__ | _Gnea_, : i want to setup a exim4 mail server for external use |
| 19:42.10 | _Gnea_ | diamond__: start local and branch out from there. dovecot is a good pop3/imap |
| 19:43.08 | toraton | Is there 'A Debian Way' to install a cross-compiler to mingw32 ? |
| 19:43.11 | wols_ | HNT: no. things like exim4 are needed for a *nix syste (you want an MTA) |
| 19:43.22 | wols_ | toraton: yes, apt-get install |
| 19:43.38 | toraton | wols_, ah, alright. |
| 19:43.44 | wols_ | toraton: mingw is in debian |
| 19:43.45 | HNT | wols : ok thx for information |
| 19:43.57 | toraton | Wow, excellent, it is. |
| 19:44.00 | toraton | wols_, Thanks a bunch. |
| 19:44.25 | wols_ | HNT: you you can start with bootfloppies perhaps |
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| 19:44.35 | jetx | ok so wtf do i do about /proc /dev & /sys ... cp'ing my working system over... |
| 19:44.55 | cydork | !proc |
| 19:44.55 | dpkg | proc is probably on Unix-like computer systems, procfs is short for process filesystem: a pseudo-filesystem which is used to access kernel information about processes. Because /proc is not a real file system, it does not consume any storage space, and it consumes only a limited amount of memory. The filesystem is often mounted at /proc. It is supported under Solaris, BSD and Linux, and the latter also extends it to non-process-related data. |
| 19:45.09 | diamond__ | _Gnea_, : is there howto for all that that's easyer then ask you guys for help all the times ; |
| 19:45.10 | diamond__ | ;) |
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| 19:45.50 | _Gnea_ | diamond__: i have found the documentation at exim.org to be extremely enlightening ;) |
| 19:45.59 | wols_ | jetx: proc is created by kernel, sys too. dev is maybe not: depends on udev |
| 19:46.01 | cydork | jetx, i mean you dont copy those |
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| 19:46.32 | nmx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.37 | jetx | so i have everything except a 'populated' /proc /sys & /dev ... what do i do |
| 19:46.52 | jetx | just boot & pray? |
| 19:47.00 | cydork | jetx, add proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 in fstab :P |
| 19:47.00 | wols_ | if you use udev: yes |
| 19:47.03 | asg | jetx: /proc and /sys are virtual filesystems created by the kernel at runtime |
| 19:47.12 | asg | jetx: you'll need /dev though |
| 19:47.14 | jetx | yeah i have /proc in fstab |
| 19:47.30 | wols_ | asg: isn't /dev populated by udev? |
| 19:47.39 | asg | wols_: post sarge, yes |
| 19:47.44 | CRK-FOX | what is this in mi Konsole??? |
| 19:47.48 | CRK-FOX | user = mail_admin |
| 19:47.49 | CRK-FOX | password = mail_admin_password |
| 19:47.49 | CRK-FOX | dbname = mail |
| 19:47.49 | CRK-FOX | table = domains |
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| 19:47.54 | jetx | i accidentally tried to copy /dev .. permission denied |
| 19:47.59 | jetx | on some |
| 19:47.59 | CRK-FOX | oops |
| 19:48.01 | enouf | haha |
| 19:48.07 | CRK-FOX | oopsss |
| 19:48.09 | enouf | stop that CRK-FOX |
| 19:48.11 | enouf | ok |
| 19:48.18 | CRK-FOX | sorry wrong window |
| 19:48.22 | kill4killin | what would be the best kernel for a P3 process? |
| 19:48.23 | jetx | iirc yeah there's udev |
| 19:48.28 | kill4killin | processor = process |
| 19:48.29 | CRK-FOX | what is this in mi Konsole??? |
| 19:48.31 | abrotman | -686 |
| 19:48.32 | wols_ | kill4killin: 686 |
| 19:48.33 | jetx | -686 kill4killin |
| 19:48.42 | CRK-FOX | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 19:48.42 | CRK-FOX | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 19:48.42 | kill4killin | k, thanks |
| 19:49.09 | asg | CRK-FOX: are you trying to run an X program as root or some other user besides the one in your Konsole session? |
| 19:49.27 | jetx | with su not sudo ^^ |
| 19:50.18 | CRK-FOX | asg: one user with root powers |
| 19:50.29 | asg | CRK-FOX: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 19:50.52 | CRK-FOX | asg: but I'm not running any X process |
| 19:51.19 | asg | CRK-FOX: you are running Konsole, that error would be cause by something you ran that required access to your display |
| 19:51.31 | asg | *caused |
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| 19:52.14 | kill4killin | how would i apt-get the 2.4.33.3 686 kernel, its been a while since i have updated a kernel |
| 19:52.31 | jetx | but what happens when i want to rip udev's guts out on the 'new' install ... |
| 19:52.32 | asg | kill4killin: that kernel is not available for Debian. |
| 19:52.41 | jetx | i'll be missing a /dev ? |
| 19:52.41 | kill4killin | o, what is the latest for debian? |
| 19:53.04 | asg | kill4killin: apt-cache search kernel-image (use linux-image if you are post sarge) |
| 19:53.05 | jetx | apt-cache search linux-image, or kernel-image if sarge |
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| 19:54.14 | kill4killin | is there a source out there like a apt-get wiki or something? im trying to google for how to apt-get a new kernel but im at a loss |
| 19:54.24 | jetx | -_- |
| 19:54.30 | jetx | apt-cache search |
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| 19:54.37 | asg | kill4killin: apt-get install kernel-image. Install one from the list provided |
| 19:54.48 | kill4killin | jetx, i thought that just searched for the kernel |
| 19:54.48 | asg | kill4killin: s/kernel-image/linux-image/ if you aren't using sarge |
| 19:54.51 | jetx | provided by apt-cache search |
| 19:54.54 | biopyte | and make /boot writable |
| 19:54.59 | kill4killin | ok |
| 19:55.12 | biopyte | mount |
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| 19:56.10 | asg | jetx: another monkey half way to Shakespeare most likely |
| 19:56.20 | cydork | heh |
| 19:56.52 | asg | jetx: and by the looks of it, an early comedy I'd say |
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| 19:58.35 | jetx | heh. it's a 3G hd with a 1.6G notebook hd mounted as /usr/share |
| 19:58.46 | jetx | debian |
| 19:58.55 | asg | kill4killin: hopefully not /dev/null |
| 19:58.57 | jetx | i'm cp'ing to a 10G hd |
| 19:59.09 | kill4killin | how much data though? |
| 19:59.19 | jetx | about 3G :) |
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| 19:59.23 | kill4killin | :) |
| 19:59.37 | jetx | there's 1.5 free on the 'big' one and like 400m on the notebook |
| 19:59.51 | kill4killin | how big is your main drive? |
| 19:59.58 | jetx | 3G |
| 20:00.05 | kill4killin | ah |
| 20:00.06 | jetx | soon to be 10 though |
| 20:00.22 | kill4killin | :D |
| 20:00.33 | jetx | the notebook hd is hooked up with one of those adapters |
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| 20:00.45 | kill4killin | i have a hard to imagining having less than 100G |
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| 20:01.01 | jetx | you can do a lot with linux and 6G's |
| 20:01.10 | kill4killin | o, i know, my linux box is 6G |
| 20:01.11 | sarefo | hi, what does 'black on green' mean in debian etch 'ls' output? never seen this before :) |
| 20:01.11 | jetx | not d/l movies though |
| 20:01.12 | asg | kill4killin: my first real hard disk was 40M |
| 20:01.16 | mariuss | nah, you need 8 to be comfy |
| 20:01.16 | kill4killin | my windows box is 410G though |
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| 20:01.23 | jetx | mine was 10meg rll |
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| 20:01.57 | sarefo | asg: my first hd was 20M, with half of it gone because they did not park back then and i had to get it out again after installing because a jumper that was on the bottom was set in the wrong position :) |
| 20:02.10 | cydork | SeanTater, wht do you store? pr0n? :P |
| 20:02.16 | asg | sarefo: yep :) |
| 20:02.18 | SeanTater | cydork: no |
| 20:02.42 | kill4killin | lies |
| 20:02.52 | SeanTater | cydork: a good deal of it music 45 zillion backups of the same 47 files I donlt use |
| 20:03.05 | kill4killin | :/ wtf |
| 20:03.08 | cydork | kill4killin, so you do agree you use storage for that :P |
| 20:03.12 | sarefo | 10 megs was cool, you did not have to change the 3 5 1/4'' discs all the time to play a game :) |
| 20:03.13 | kill4killin | some |
| 20:03.25 | kill4killin | most is either music, rainbow crack or programs |
| 20:03.47 | kill4killin | rainbow tables** |
| 20:03.56 | jetx | i have 200G on the winbox behind me, 40 on a linuxlappy, and this lappy... and about 400G at home |
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| 20:04.02 | samuel | sup all |
| 20:04.04 | sarefo | today, i'd like to have 4TB with a good raid, that would meet my needs for the next year or so... |
| 20:04.14 | jetx | that's not the 3g/10g box though |
| 20:04.19 | kill4killin | my roommate has 1.2TB internal :D |
| 20:04.19 | jetx | plus that one |
| 20:04.23 | SeanTater | samuel: good afternoon |
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| 20:04.39 | cydork | kill4killin, 1.2 TB?? wtf |
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| 20:04.52 | Gandalfar | how can increase verbosity of apt-get update? |
| 20:05.00 | asg | cydork: big fat SATA drives most likely |
| 20:05.02 | samuel | anyone know of a decent accounting program that uses a mysql backend? preferably gtk based, but web or anything else is good... it must be abit comprehensive since its for a small firm |
| 20:05.03 | jetx | it's a very old 1.6G lapHD ... came out of some compaq with nt4 on it |
| 20:05.14 | kill4killin | yea i know right, he has 4 x 250GB sata and 1 250GB IDE |
| 20:05.19 | Bhavesh | sarefo: what do you download? :) |
| 20:05.31 | cydork | Man that's a lot .. |
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| 20:05.41 | mariuss | here at work we have 30 40gb hd's left over |
| 20:05.55 | asg | cydork: not really, 1.4TB is small these days |
| 20:05.56 | Bhavesh | i wonder if you can hookup like 10 40gb drive :) |
| 20:06.00 | mariuss | but the noise vs. storespace ratio is to low for me to want them :) |
| 20:06.10 | jetx | apt-cache search accounting gives up a lot samuel ... some aren't what you want, but some are it seems |
| 20:06.11 | Bhavesh | mariuss: got a basement? :) |
| 20:06.16 | kill4killin | cydork, he was one of the original creators of the rainbow tables, he has over 10GB of just tables, then he has a backup of everything and about 100GB of movies and 200GB of music |
| 20:06.25 | mariuss | nope, thats the problem :) |
| 20:06.25 | jetx | egroupware seems to be one |
| 20:06.51 | jetx | !info fibusql |
| 20:06.56 | dpkg | fibusql: (Web based double-entry accounting), section web, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 309 kB |
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| 20:07.18 | samuel | jetx, thx... but i was really asking more along the lines of personal opinion |
| 20:07.30 | sarefo | Bhavesh: data :) |
| 20:07.37 | jetx | !info sql-ledger |
| 20:07.42 | jetx | ah |
| 20:07.44 | dpkg | sql-ledger: (A web based double-entry accounting program), section web, is optional. Version: 2.6.19-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2684 kB, Installed size: 27668 kB |
| 20:07.44 | jetx | no idea |
| 20:07.46 | buu | Hrm, where is aclocal and related tools hiding? |
| 20:07.47 | sarefo | mariuss: you want to send them to me? :) |
| 20:07.53 | cydork | kill4killin, oh ok.. |
| 20:07.56 | jetx | just pay an accountant |
| 20:07.57 | jetx | :) |
| 20:08.12 | kill4killin | cydork, he is a download whore or sorts... |
| 20:08.21 | jetx | ooo so am i |
| 20:08.26 | sarefo | i'd use them instead of the 4,000 CDs i have lying round here... |
| 20:08.32 | kill4killin | i am actually amazed at how far my 6G disk on my P3 is getting me with debian |
| 20:08.42 | samuel | jetx, hahaha... they stole the taxes!!! im not kidding!!! |
| 20:08.54 | jetx | :( |
| 20:09.03 | samuel | mexico... |
| 20:09.10 | jetx | make that a 'good, reputable' accountant |
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| 20:09.57 | buu | peterS: So, where is aclocal hiding? |
| 20:10.05 | samuel | jetx, KPMG? |
| 20:10.07 | peterS | buu: in automake |
| 20:10.09 | jetx | gd... bstiiil going |
| 20:10.14 | peterS | buu: or automake-1.x rather |
| 20:10.23 | buu | Ohhh |
| 20:10.31 | jetx | kpmg would be like so expensive it's pathetic |
| 20:10.34 | jetx | i would think |
| 20:10.36 | buu | That really needs to respond to a apt-cache search =/ |
| 20:10.49 | peterS | buu: heh. perhaps. |
| 20:10.49 | jetx | we did some catering for them a few times |
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| 20:11.04 | jetx | here in housotn |
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| 20:11.07 | jetx | ton |
| 20:11.08 | samuel | jetx, if you cant trust KPMG who can you trust? not so expensive... thats who stole the taxes... the guy working for kpmg has not been seen since... |
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| 20:11.14 | jetx | ahh |
| 20:11.39 | jetx | they made good on it though didn't they<? |
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| 20:12.27 | jetx | damn.. still going |
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| 20:12.51 | asg | jetx: it goes faster if you shake it |
| 20:13.02 | jetx | heh |
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| 20:13.20 | jetx | i have it on a 2x4 on top of the open box |
| 20:13.26 | jetx | wouldn't be hard |
| 20:13.41 | samuel | jetx, no, they did not... im in trial against kpmg for confidence abuse |
| 20:13.52 | jetx | ughbummer |
| 20:14.06 | samuel | im not rating my chances too well there... |
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| 20:14.38 | jetx | samuel: if it was me, i'd check out egroupware.. all i know is it's been around a while and seems popular... |
| 20:14.43 | buu | peterS: Ack, did aterm disapear? |
| 20:15.02 | samuel | jetx, thanks, im downloading that and gnucash... see how they are |
| 20:15.07 | jetx | i 'think' aterm is in non-free |
| 20:15.20 | buu | Hrm. |
| 20:15.34 | buu | I think I just realize this piece of shit isn't actually debian. |
| 20:15.35 | buu | Sigh. |
| 20:15.39 | peterS | buu: hehe |
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| 20:15.52 | asg | jetx: no, it's not |
| 20:16.10 | jetx | ah no it isn't |
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| 20:21.19 | SerajewelKS | grub doesn't seem to like the xen kernel. "file" also shows that it's somehow different.. i think it's gzipped. |
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| 20:22.06 | dragonfly | i am trying to install mysql-server on debian using apt-get install mysql-server....i get an error that the partion with /var/lib/mysql is too full, however, i have 4.7 Gig of available space on that partition |
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| 20:22.33 | SerajewelKS | http://pastebin.ca/196689 |
| 20:23.06 | SerajewelKS | grub seems unhappy about this for some reason |
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| 20:23.40 | jetx | does it work with rootnoverify ? |
| 20:23.47 | petemc | SerajewelKS: you dont boot that kernel directly |
| 20:24.04 | Bhavesh | dragonfly: that is weird.. which branch of debian are you running? stable/testing/unstable? |
| 20:24.11 | SerajewelKS | petemc: oh, is this the guest kernel? |
| 20:24.25 | dragonfly | don't remember offhand |
| 20:24.32 | dragonfly | stable i think but may be testing |
| 20:24.40 | jetx | cat /etc/debian_version maybe |
| 20:24.45 | jetx | or that other cat thing |
| 20:24.58 | dragonfly | ahhh, testing/unstable |
| 20:25.01 | petemc | SerajewelKS: no, its the dom0 kernel, but the hypervisor loads that, /boot/xen-3.0-i386.gz as the kernel line, then the vmlinuz-2.6-xen as a module to that |
| 20:25.22 | petemc | SerajewelKS: and the initrd as another module - you should follow a how to |
| 20:25.23 | dman | should i expect a 2.4 386 kernel with its modules to work on a amd k6? im having problems with the machine locking up after pcmcia starts up |
| 20:25.26 | dragonfly | and in my sources.list it referres to testing :) |
| 20:25.32 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
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| 20:26.35 | jetx | damn, stiiiill going |
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| 20:27.33 | SerajewelKS | petemc: i can't seem to find one that uses the debian packages |
| 20:27.41 | petemc | SerajewelKS: huh? |
| 20:28.00 | SerajewelKS | petemc: instead of compiling xen |
| 20:28.03 | SerajewelKS | but i just found one, nm |
| 20:28.07 | jetx | yay done |
| 20:28.09 | petemc | SerajewelKS: the debian packages work fine |
| 20:28.17 | PDani | how can i find out that which packages will be installed with a minimal sarge installation? |
| 20:28.24 | h3sp4wn | petemc: Are you using xen on etch ? |
| 20:28.25 | SerajewelKS | petemc: i meant a howto |
| 20:28.36 | jetx | dman: i would think so.. there's some pcmcia-utils being deprecated though... not sure about the name |
| 20:28.46 | petemc | h3sp4wn: etch and sid, yeah |
| 20:28.56 | petemc | SerajewelKS: debian-administration.org |
| 20:29.38 | SerajewelKS | petemc: yeah that's where i found it |
| 20:30.00 | PDani | any idea? |
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| 20:30.20 | h3sp4wn | petemc: To use - 2.6.17 or above I need the unstable hypervisor right ? - but then I can't start any vm's - I read the solution was to use ethtool to disable tx on dom0 and domU but I don't think my network card is supported for that |
| 20:30.41 | dragonfly | anyone else have trouble when running apt-get install mysql-server? |
| 20:30.56 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: You need to use 2.6.16-1 (the 2.6.16-2 from backports is broken) needs the unstable hypervisor (I tried it yesterday) |
| 20:31.00 | petemc | h3sp4wn: the interface changed for 2.6.17, so yeah |
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| 20:31.05 | abrotman | dragonfly: probably need a version with that .. apt-cache search mysql-server |
| 20:31.33 | petemc | h3sp4wn: the 2.6.17 debian kernel has real issues, it will panic when you start your domUs |
| 20:31.56 | h3sp4wn | petemc: So I should use 2.6.18 from sid ? |
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| 20:32.00 | petemc | h3sp4wn: there are 2.6.18 packages in sid now |
| 20:32.03 | dragonfly | abrotman, it downloads and tries to install, but it gives me * /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! |
| 20:32.03 | petemc | yeah... |
| 20:32.20 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: i'm on testing |
| 20:32.30 | h3sp4wn | petemc: I will try it |
| 20:32.35 | petemc | SerajewelKS: 2.6.16 works fine |
| 20:32.41 | petemc | for me, anyways |
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| 20:33.04 | h3sp4wn | 2.6.16-1 works fine for me 2.6.16-2 doesn't unless the unstable hypervisor is used |
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| 20:34.54 | abrotman | dragonfly: now .. what do you think that means ? |
| 20:35.14 | SerajewelKS | grub isn't finding the hypervisor |
| 20:35.16 | jetx | he thinks it means 4.7G free isn't enough? |
| 20:35.30 | jetx | abrotman: ^^ ? |
| 20:35.40 | dragonfly | yes, that is what i'm thinking, but i'm wondering how much i need or if this is an error of some sort |
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| 20:36.00 | jetx | i would think it's plenty, myself.. no idea though |
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| 20:36.58 | SerajewelKS | petemc: does update-grub not see xen-hypervisor-3.0.2-1-i386? |
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| 20:37.20 | abrotman | dragonfly: df shows 4.7GB ? |
| 20:37.21 | jetx | hdh1 has gone 49710 days w/o being checked.. wow |
| 20:37.32 | dragonfly | yes |
| 20:37.36 | abrotman | jetx: that's not possible |
| 20:37.43 | abrotman | dragonfly: eh .. mysql-server-4.1 ? |
| 20:37.47 | jetx | i'm just typing what i read |
| 20:37.53 | petemc | SerajewelKS: you need to edit menu.lst , just like the how to tells you to... |
| 20:38.16 | dragonfly | no, apt-get install mysql-server tries to install mysql-server and mysql-server-5.0 |
| 20:38.19 | rgsteele | Just out of curiosity, has anything been said (or murmured quietly) about a rough release date for Etch? |
| 20:38.26 | jetx | december |
| 20:38.35 | jetx | !etch pool |
| 20:38.35 | dpkg | i guess etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 20:38.36 | cydork | !wwer |
| 20:38.36 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html |
| 20:38.39 | abrotman | dragonfly: checked the bts ? |
| 20:38.39 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: It doesn't until 2.6.16-2 or above (then you need |
| 20:38.44 | SerajewelKS | petemc: yes well with the unstable hypervisor, grub sees it and adds it to the list |
| 20:38.48 | dragonfly | huh? |
| 20:38.53 | dragonfly | lost me there |
| 20:38.54 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:38.54 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:39.04 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: i am using 2.6.16 |
| 20:39.29 | petemc | h3sp4wn: xen-hypervisor-3.0.2-1-i386 works fine with 2.6.16-2 on etch for me |
| 20:39.46 | abrotman | dragonfly: apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0 |
| 20:39.49 | jetx | yay |
| 20:39.54 | SerajewelKS | oh |
| 20:39.55 | jetx | it's almost booted |
| 20:39.57 | petemc | SerajewelKS: you're not taking enough time to read and figure stuff out yourself before asking more questions |
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| 20:40.10 | IndridCold | lolz0r |
| 20:40.17 | SerajewelKS | i didn't have the dom0 kernel installed.. i got linux-modules- by mistake |
| 20:40.27 | JAMFS | algum brasileiro aki ? |
| 20:40.27 | jetx | dbus unknown group "netdev" in message bus configuration file |
| 20:40.31 | jetx | !br |
| 20:40.31 | abrotman | !br |
| 20:40.31 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:40.38 | jetx | slow! |
| 20:40.41 | JAMFS | need help install x-chat 2.6.6 |
| 20:40.41 | jetx | !win jetx |
| 20:40.41 | dragonfly | abrotman, policy says it's installed and there are no bugs reporting this situation |
| 20:40.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetx! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 20:41.13 | jetx | JAMFS: usually it's just apt-get install xchat |
| 20:41.15 | h3sp4wn | petemc: That is strange - I get the same behavior as with 2.6.17 (continuous rebooting) |
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| 20:41.17 | abrotman | dragonfly: i meant the version |
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| 20:41.28 | smax | hiya |
| 20:41.32 | petemc | h3sp4wn: ive heard of other people having issues too |
| 20:41.32 | dragonfly | 5.0.24a-4 |
| 20:41.40 | petemc | h3sp4wn: now that i think about it |
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| 20:42.11 | abrotman | !info mysql-server-5.0 etch |
| 20:42.18 | dpkg | mysql-server-5.0: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.24a-4 (etch), Packaged size: 21418 kB, Installed size: 47984 kB |
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| 20:42.38 | abrotman | dragonfly: cruise the BTS for mysql-server-5.0 .. see if you find anything simliar |
| 20:43.03 | abrotman | the one in sid is different .. so it might have been resolved |
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| 20:44.39 | dragonfly | ok, think i found something....i looked in the bts for mysql-server but not mysql-server-5.0 |
| 20:44.51 | SerajewelKS | cool, kernel panic |
| 20:45.00 | enouf | Anybody know if someone is working on making a (updated) .deb for sysfsutils? Seems 2.1.0 is now available from sourceforge (Latest 2.1.0 (2006-08-23) http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=44427&package_id=87318&release_id=441635 but only as .rpms (or as a meta-pkg) - Sid/Unstable version is 2.0.0-7 ..and nothing in experimental |
| 20:45.14 | SerajewelKS | i'm guessing that i don't have sata_promise in the initrd |
| 20:45.18 | kill4killin | where can i find a list of available debian sarge kernels other than doing apt-cache search |
| 20:45.20 | jetx | damn i forgot to edit menu.lst |
| 20:46.15 | jetx | !pdo |
| 20:46.15 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 20:46.39 | NoNaMeNo | hi |
| 20:46.50 | enouf | !bpo |
| 20:46.50 | dpkg | backports.org is probably an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
| 20:47.18 | dman | jetx, deprecated? my system hangs just after memory probing the card |
| 20:47.32 | enouf | kill4killin: ^^^ but know their Unofficial |
| 20:47.41 | enouf | they're* |
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| 20:47.53 | NoNaMeNo | I have a server with nfs-server in Debian, that shares lot of files that has 1kb - 5Gb, but files that has more than 2Gb doesnt work, i can see the file but i cant r,w or x, and even see how much disk space uses. |
| 20:48.01 | karsten | dman: guidance "deprecated", etc., is frequently understated. |
| 20:48.01 | jetx | dman: what i mean is that there are 2 versions of pcmcia tools/utilities... one is on it's way out the door .. and iirc it's the default |
| 20:48.19 | enouf | defecated maybe? |
| 20:48.36 | karsten | dman: "Storing more than 9 kg of weapons-grade plutonium in physical proximity is deprecated" |
| 20:48.38 | jetx | the moving butt shits, and having shat, moves on |
| 20:48.43 | panthera | tarzeau: please fix dpkg's message about backports.org, its *outdated*. |
| 20:48.48 | dragonfly | hmmm, this is for an older version 5.0.21-3 rather than 5.0.24a-4 |
| 20:48.59 | stew | panthera: which? |
| 20:49.03 | panthera | tarzeau: one doesn't get all backports since about two month ago |
| 20:49.09 | stew | right |
| 20:49.17 | karsten | dman: ... or it could just mean that there's a move afoot to remove some commadline options in future (eg: tar, ps, and dash arguments). |
| 20:49.18 | panthera | stew: this one "!bpo" |
| 20:49.29 | stew | !bpo =~ s#Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. ## |
| 20:49.30 | dpkg | stew: that doesn't contain 'Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. ' |
| 20:49.31 | tarzeau | !backports.org |
| 20:49.31 | dpkg | methinks backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
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| 20:49.40 | stew | !backports.org =~ s#Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. ## |
| 20:49.40 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 20:49.45 | dman | karsten, ? |
| 20:49.46 | stew | panthera: fixed. thanks |
| 20:50.04 | karsten | dman: 13:47 < dman> jetx, deprecated? my system hangs just after memory probing the |
| 20:50.05 | NoNaMeNo | does anybody knows which version of NFS can handle files with a size bigger than 2GB ? |
| 20:50.08 | karsten | dman: Providing context. |
| 20:50.16 | stew | !backports.org =~ s#on how to only get specific backports. ## |
| 20:50.17 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 20:50.28 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: Well, 3's the latest version out. |
| 20:50.40 | kill4killin | packports.org didnt do much |
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| 20:50.44 | kill4killin | backports* |
| 20:50.49 | cydork | karsten, you were sleeping?? :P |
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| 20:50.55 | karsten | cydork: No. |
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| 20:51.05 | karsten | cydork: I was vacationing in Aruba. |
| 20:51.17 | NoNaMeNo | karsten: v3? |
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| 20:51.25 | NoNaMeNo | but in 32bit systems? |
| 20:51.28 | enouf | karsten: \o/ |
| 20:51.31 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: i've been writing files > 2GB to NFS shares for a long time |
| 20:51.46 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: Da. |
| 20:51.47 | cydork | karsten, damn you :P |
| 20:51.52 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: long time = more than two or three years |
| 20:51.58 | kill4killin | eeyore-: how, i thought that that wasnt stable |
| 20:52.03 | kill4killin | or just recently stable at best |
| 20:52.05 | dman | actually karsten, what happens is that the system hangs after executing the next service load (ssh,portmap,cron) after memory probing the card.. |
| 20:52.17 | eeyore- | kill4killin: stable enough for me to write partition images to it and restore from it :-) |
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| 20:52.35 | eeyore- | kill4killin: if you're in doubt, write to local filesystem first, do md5sum, then copy to NFS, and md5sum again to verify |
| 20:52.57 | anabain | eeyore-, the crap file was that in /etc/texmf/web2c, problem solved!!! :) |
| 20:52.59 | stew | NoNaMeNo: nfs version 3 (or something like 2.2aa) support > 2gb |
| 20:53.02 | dman | karsten, if i remove ssh, it hangs on portmap, if i remove ssh+portmap it hangs on cron |
| 20:53.07 | NoNaMeNo | arf, eeyore- 32bit system? and which version of nfs? |
| 20:53.09 | eeyore- | anabain: update-upd |
| 20:53.13 | kill4killin | i would love to be able to write to my ntfs paritions as well as read from them, i have so much more space on ntfs then i do on ext3 |
| 20:53.13 | NoNaMeNo | ok |
| 20:53.20 | eeyore- | anabain: update-updmap |
| 20:53.26 | karsten | dman: One sec, let me /lastlog, don't have context. |
| 20:53.27 | dragonfly | i dont' know how to make use of the information from the BTS |
| 20:53.36 | NoNaMeNo | im using Debian stable (aka SARGE), and i cant XD |
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| 20:54.05 | anabain | eeyore-, previously I moved /etc/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg to updmap.cfg.old |
| 20:54.08 | enouf | kill4killin: /msg dpkf ntfs |
| 20:54.10 | ArchitectSinan | hey all |
| 20:54.11 | eeyore- | kill4killin: don't write to NTFS (he's talking NFS, not NTFS) |
| 20:54.14 | NoNaMeNo | transfer from or to |
| 20:54.16 | stew | NoNaMeNo: look for CONFIG_NFS_V3 and CONFIG_NFSD_V3 in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 20:54.24 | eeyore- | kill4killin: notice the lack of "T" in NFS :-) |
| 20:54.29 | kill4killin | o ok |
| 20:54.30 | enouf | kill4killin: sorry .. /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 20:54.34 | kill4killin | yea, missed that |
| 20:54.38 | NoNaMeNo | precompiled kernel |
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| 20:54.47 | enouf | doh |
| 20:54.56 | NoNaMeNo | is it a module? |
| 20:54.59 | karsten | dman: Um. OK, booting, what card hangs, and is it the card or the other stuff that's hanging (eg: ssh, portmap, cron). Have you booted single-user? Can you pull the card? |
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| 20:55.05 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: yes, 32-bit. oh, maybe nfsv3 |
| 20:55.12 | ma3x | how is firewire support on debian? is it buggy? for example for writing to hard disk via firewire? |
| 20:55.14 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: no, i don't think i use nfsv4 |
| 20:55.21 | sepski | NoNaMeNo, keep in mind that even if you have nfs v3 it can still mount it as nfsv2 there is a nfsver argument read about it in man mount under the nfs section |
| 20:55.38 | anabain | eeyore-, the point is that the file in /etc has priority over the /var one, *though* updmap tools actually modify the latter... |
| 20:55.55 | sepski | nfsstat should also tell you if your using v2 or v3 |
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| 20:56.09 | eeyore- | anabain: update-udpmap reads content of /etc/texmf/updmap.d/00updmap.cfg and produces one in /var |
| 20:56.11 | ArchitectSinan | I still didn't understand the difference bitween "ia64" and "em64t". My processor is Intel Pentium D 3.4 GHz, EM64T capable. AFAIK my processor is a 64bit processor. I downloaded "ia64" ISOs, but my machine doesn't boot. What am i doing wrong ? |
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| 20:56.22 | abrotman | ArchitectSinan: it's easy .. did you spend 10k on your machine ? |
| 20:56.28 | sepski | !ia64 |
| 20:56.28 | dpkg | methinks ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon, it is NOT ia64 |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | if you didn't .. it's nto IA64 |
| 20:56.33 | abrotman | !em64t |
| 20:56.33 | dman | i can boot single user karsten, no probs there |
| 20:56.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, em64t is Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 20:56.35 | ArchitectSinan | abrotman: nope :( |
| 20:56.47 | abrotman | ArchitectSinan: right .. we all wish we had an extra 10k to spend on a box :) |
| 20:57.05 | ArchitectSinan | sepski: thank you mate :) |
| 20:57.06 | eeyore- | IA64 = old and busted |
| 20:57.10 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: Dig up NetApp's tech report 3183 (tr3183 search at www.netapp.com or via Google) |
| 20:57.16 | anabain | eeyore-, yes, but updmap tools, when finding updmap.cfg *at* /etc dirs, didn't pay attention to anything else |
| 20:57.16 | dragonfly | if found the line referenced...but then what? |
| 20:57.16 | ArchitectSinan | finally i got it |
| 20:57.21 | abrotman | !ia64 =~ s#xeon#xeon/em64t# |
| 20:57.21 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 20:57.22 | dman | karsten, if i go to init 5 and the pcmcia services start up, mem is probed, and system hangs on the next command |
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| 20:57.27 | NoNaMeNo | im coming |
| 20:57.49 | karsten | dman: disable pcmcia services. |
| 20:57.54 | ArchitectSinan | then i should download the ISOs from "i386" folder ? |
| 20:57.59 | karsten | dman: And why is 5 your default init? This isn't RH/SuSE. |
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| 20:58.13 | kill4killin | has anyone used ntfs-3g? By decent write support, what does dpkg mean? What happens if it doesn't write properly |
| 20:58.15 | abrotman | ArchitectSinan: or amd64 |
| 20:58.25 | NoNaMeNo | karsten: -.- |
| 20:58.27 | abrotman | kill4killin: you lose everything possibly |
| 20:58.28 | sepski | abrotman, add pentium too... |
| 20:58.40 | kill4killin | 0.0 |
| 20:58.41 | sanmarcos | how do I get https support in my apache2 server? |
| 20:58.42 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: Yeah, I've got a local copy, trying to find it at NetApp's site right now. |
| 20:58.47 | abrotman | !ia64 =~ s#em64t#em64t/pentium# |
| 20:58.48 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 20:58.49 | abrotman | better ? |
| 20:58.53 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 20:58.53 | dpkg | methinks ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon/em64t/pentium, it is NOT ia64 |
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| 20:58.56 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: Konqueror is *not* cooperating. |
| 20:58.56 | dragonfly | abrotman, how do i make use of the information in the BTS? it shows me a patch to do, but i'm not exactly sure how to implement it |
| 20:59.01 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: oh, yeah, might want to use a non-busted version of Data ONTAP as well :-) |
| 20:59.08 | abrotman | dragonfly: which bug nubmer? |
| 20:59.13 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/ftp/3183.pdf#search=%223183%20site%3Anetapp.com%22 |
| 20:59.16 | sepski | sanmarcos, i usualy do it in a sitefile called ssl |
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| 20:59.20 | dragonfly | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367027 |
| 20:59.27 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: Or: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/ftp/3183.pdf - |
| 20:59.31 | sanmarcos | sepski: so its included with teh normal package? |
| 20:59.31 | sepski | there are examples in the doc dir, and howtos if you bother google for them |
| 20:59.46 | eeyore- | so, would i be nuts to want to install debian/gentoo on PA-RISC machine? |
| 20:59.46 | sanmarcos | sepski: o |
| 20:59.48 | dman | karsten, need pcmcia for network conectivity |
| 20:59.49 | sepski | sanmarcos, yes |
| 20:59.51 | SerajewelKS | awesome, the nonfree nvidia driver makes the xen kernel panic |
| 20:59.56 | eeyore- | we've got an HP PA-RISC here not doing anything |
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| 21:00.09 | coach | hi@all |
| 21:00.09 | NoNaMeNo | nice pdf karsten |
| 21:00.13 | dragonfly | i'm looking at the "corrected" patch at the bottom of the page....i found the line it talks about with the $4>4096 that then goes to the exit command and prints that error message, but not sure how exactly to change it to what |
| 21:00.17 | karsten | dman: you need to boot. |
| 21:00.19 | ArchitectSinan | guys i'm still confused |
| 21:00.25 | karsten | dman: Find out if that's the problem. |
| 21:00.26 | karsten | bbiam |
| 21:00.27 | coach | is there a way to get real transparency under debian stable? |
| 21:00.45 | sepski | ArchitectSinan, use i386 ! unless you have more then 4 GB or ram. then use amd64 |
| 21:00.53 | eeyore- | coach: i assume you mean compiz and friends? |
| 21:01.11 | dman | karsten, hangs on boot aswell, just after pcmcia, loads normally if the network card is not in |
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| 21:01.16 | coach | eeyore-: what? |
| 21:01.23 | abrotman | dragonfly: seems fairly simple |
| 21:01.41 | eeyore- | coach: "real transparency" |
| 21:01.41 | ArchitectSinan | speski: ok thx :) |
| 21:01.41 | coach | eeyore-: as i said |
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| 21:01.54 | abrotman | dragonfly: it's saying the initscript is messed up |
| 21:02.04 | ArchitectSinan | !amd64 |
| 21:02.04 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 21:02.15 | eeyore- | hmm |
| 21:02.20 | abrotman | dragonfly: and yours should already have the "fix" |
| 21:02.22 | h3sp4wn | coach: e17 supports real transparancy (fast in software) |
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| 21:02.45 | dragonfly | i'm guessing i'm supposed to change the portion of the init script that is citied from the if LC_... to the ; and replace it with one of the two under the witness: portion, but not sure which to put in there and want to make sure i do it right |
| 21:02.46 | coach | h3sp4wn: whats e17? |
| 21:02.51 | abrotman | !e17 |
| 21:02.52 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 21:03.11 | eeyore- | h3sp4wn: as he said ... |
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| 21:03.38 | coach | !DR17 |
| 21:03.39 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 21:04.10 | stew | coach: its the next version of enlightenment, they started coding it sometime around 2000, but they haven't gotten around to finishing it yet |
| 21:04.13 | enouf | abrotman: something screwy with ia64 factoid.. please read it again |
| 21:04.26 | cydork | from 2000?? |
| 21:04.34 | coach | stew: do i have to use a special x-server? |
| 21:04.54 | stew | coach: for enlightenment 17? no |
| 21:04.54 | NoNaMeNo | karsten: now when i mount nfs with "-o vers=3" it says that the V of the program doesnt match (RPC: ..... ) |
| 21:05.10 | NoNaMeNo | V means version XD |
| 21:05.12 | coach | stew: no, for real transparency |
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| 21:05.38 | stew | coach: i don't know |
| 21:06.08 | coach | stew: is there a way to get rt @stable? |
| 21:06.22 | stew | coach: what is rt @stable ? |
| 21:06.35 | coach | real transparency under debian stable^^ |
| 21:06.49 | sepski | NoNaMeNo, i was not aware of a -o vers only a -o nfsvers |
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| 21:07.07 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: rpcinfo -p <nfs server in question> |
| 21:07.32 | NoNaMeNo | argggg |
| 21:07.36 | NoNaMeNo | nfs version 2 |
| 21:07.37 | pickcoder | I'm looking for someone with 3DM2 experience on Debian |
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| 21:07.45 | abrotman | enouf: eh ? |
| 21:07.53 | stew | coach: there aren't any composting window managers in stable if that is what you are asking |
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| 21:08.00 | NoNaMeNo | ok, it means that i have to enable NFSv3 |
| 21:08.02 | stew | pickcoder: just ask your questino |
| 21:08.05 | abrotman | enouf: what's wrong ? |
| 21:08.14 | stew | NoNaMeNo: look for CONFIG_NFS_V3 and CONFIG_NFSD_V3 in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:08.15 | coach | stew: exactly what i wanted to know^^ |
| 21:08.18 | coach | so, cya then |
| 21:08.26 | eeyore- | stew: yeah but you can also rpcinfo :-) |
| 21:08.34 | stew | ok |
| 21:08.38 | pickcoder | stew: it's not that easy |
| 21:08.40 | eeyore- | stew: and rpcinfo doesn't care the server is linux or what :-) |
| 21:08.46 | stew | eeyore-: all my machines support v3 :) |
| 21:08.49 | enouf | abrotman: to be or not to be?? it says it's not ia64 (at the end) and also why are those other archs listed in there? |
| 21:08.58 | NoNaMeNo | stew |
| 21:09.13 | pickcoder | I just put it on an i86-64 box |
| 21:09.15 | pickcoder | works fine |
| 21:09.16 | NoNaMeNo | CONFIG_NFS_V3=y, CONFIG_NFS_V3_ACL=y, CONFIG_NFS_V4=y |
| 21:09.17 | NoNaMeNo | xD |
| 21:09.28 | pickcoder | won't run on an SMP 32-bit release of Etch |
| 21:09.33 | abrotman | enouf: to show that amd64/em64t etc ARE NOT ia64 .. |
| 21:09.38 | pickcoder | well.. it loads, I just don't get a configuration page |
| 21:09.47 | xarq | is there a wireless usb device which potato detects automatically? |
| 21:09.49 | abrotman | enouf: many people who have 64bit intel think they have ia64 |
| 21:09.49 | eeyore- | enouf: what's your problem, man? |
| 21:09.57 | enouf | abrotman: the ia64 is Itanium only yes? what are em64t archs doing listed there -- |
| 21:09.58 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: I don't know the answer to your question, I do know a pretty good doc. |
| 21:10.04 | abrotman | enouf: read it again |
| 21:10.07 | enouf | I may be reading incorrwectly |
| 21:10.11 | abrotman | !tell enouf about ia64 |
| 21:10.13 | stew | pickcoder: you are using the 32 bit version of 3dm2 for one and the 64 bit for the other right? |
| 21:10.22 | stew | pickcoder: yave you tried the 3dm2 packages from debian-unofficial.org? |
| 21:10.24 | jetx | gahdam... li999999999999999999999999999' |
| 21:10.26 | eeyore- | enouf: are you looking to buy an itanium? |
| 21:10.26 | abrotman | enouf: if yours is in that last list it is NOT ia64 |
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| 21:10.39 | karsten | dman: What sort of network card? Wired or WiFi? Manufacturer? Specs? (cardctl info IIRC gives tech details). |
| 21:10.41 | enouf | abrotman: wth does this say " see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon/em64t/pentium, it is NOT ia64" |
| 21:10.53 | karsten | dman: Note that you can start pcmcia manually *after* boot. |
| 21:11.00 | abrotman | enouf: because people think em64t is ia64 |
| 21:11.08 | abrotman | enouf: it's to illustrate that IT IS NOT ia64 |
| 21:11.26 | dragonfly | http://www.eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=10535 |
| 21:11.29 | karsten | abrotman: WTF is em64t? |
| 21:11.30 | enouf | abrotman: Ok then .. nevermind -- I don;t read it as such .. but ok then |
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| 21:11.43 | abrotman | enouf: /msg dpkg ia64 .. is that less confusing ? |
| 21:11.43 | eeyore- | IA64 = old and busted. EM64T/Opteron/Athlon64 = new hotness |
| 21:11.44 | sepski | karsten, intels name for amd64 |
| 21:11.49 | dragonfly | that is the line that my init file has, woudl this be the "patch" or the old way b/c that is the line leading to the error |
| 21:11.49 | abrotman | karsten: intel name for amd64 |
| 21:12.08 | xarq | is it possible to plug in an external usb drive to a thin client (crusoe 800mhz) and boot debian? |
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| 21:12.29 | karsten | kthx |
| 21:12.31 | ArchitectSinan | I'm trying to follow the Intel i965 chipset guide in http://protoplazm.com/debian/debian_sarge_on_965.html. I've got Sarge 3.1r3. I tried to boot with "linux26" and the kernel hung. It worked when i tried "linux". What is the problem ? |
| 21:12.41 | sepski | xarq, if the mainboard supports usb booting yes |
| 21:12.42 | eeyore- | kind of like the ... "Pentium Pro" fiasco |
| 21:12.48 | enouf | karsten: AMD was first to innovate the 64bit extensions - and amd64 is their name for it .. Intel marketing ploy em64t |
| 21:12.52 | abrotman | enouf: make more sense ? |
| 21:12.57 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: and I don't see any reference to large (2GB+) file transfer there. |
| 21:13.09 | karsten | enouf: Right, I know that, just not the acronym. |
| 21:13.12 | enouf | abrotman: I think it will confuse newcomers ...but ok |
| 21:13.38 | dragonfly | ahhh, got it |
| 21:13.49 | dragonfly | just had to delete the _ between BLOCK and SIZE |
| 21:13.52 | jetx | hey the mf cd boots now... cool |
| 21:13.54 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/intro.html |
| 21:13.54 | dragonfly | grrr, stupid little things |
| 21:13.57 | dragonfly | thanks for the help all |
| 21:13.59 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: Handling files larger than 2 GB will require a 2.4x kernel and a 2.2.x version of glibc. |
| 21:14.00 | jetx | \o/ |
| 21:14.04 | dragonfly | especially abrotman |
| 21:14.07 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: If you've got anything more recent you should be golden |
| 21:14.24 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: restate your problem? |
| 21:14.36 | enouf | abrotman: thanks .. ia64 is much clearer now .. |
| 21:14.46 | jetx | nfs is easy |
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| 21:14.56 | jetx | !be a barbie samba |
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| 21:15.21 | jetx | ! barbie samba |
| 21:15.24 | jetx | gah |
| 21:15.39 | karsten | eeyore-: My understanding is he wants to know what's necessary for 2GB file support under NFS. |
| 21:16.17 | eeyore- | karsten: kernel 2.4 should work, nfsv3 |
| 21:16.29 | karsten | eeyore-: Yes, that's what I just posted. |
| 21:16.29 | pickcoder | stew: no I didn't know that debian was supported by 3ware |
| 21:16.39 | eeyore- | karsten: right, so why is he still having problems? |
| 21:16.51 | eeyore- | karsten: it looks like his NFS server doesn't advertise nfsv3, no? |
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| 21:16.58 | enouf | karsten - ever get your em64t answer? Extended Memory 64-bit Technology |
| 21:17.01 | karsten | eeyore-: Dunno. I'm not a guru |
| 21:17.14 | karsten | eeyore-: Yes, fine, thanks, enough, stop! I'm Drowning! Glub! |
| 21:17.27 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: i want to handle over the network files over 2GB size, in a Debian server SARGE, |
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| 21:17.44 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: right, ok? |
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| 21:18.14 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: Should be no problem. Is there a problem? |
| 21:18.56 | NoNaMeNo | yes |
| 21:18.56 | NoNaMeNo | i cant |
| 21:18.57 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: dude, that's because you DIDN'T enable support for NFSv3 on your server |
| 21:18.59 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: OK. Dig up diagnostics. What client? What server? Any log messages? |
| 21:19.12 | stew | pickcoder: debian isn't supported by freewhere directly, however a DD has made packages available on debian-unofficial.org |
| 21:19.17 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: it's NOT CONFIG_NFS_V3, it's CONFIG_NFSD_V3 <- see the "D"? |
| 21:19.21 | stew | pickcoder: if you couldn't guess by the name, they are not official packages |
| 21:19.27 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: NFSD = server, NFS = client |
| 21:19.27 | jetx | do you mean nfsv4 doesn't do > 2G ? |
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| 21:19.52 | sn00p | whats the difference between IA64 and AMD64? |
| 21:20.03 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: nfsd v3 and v4 |
| 21:20.06 | NoNaMeNo | nfs v3 and v4 |
| 21:20.22 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: i don't see CONFIG_NFSD_V3 from you :-) |
| 21:20.33 | NoNaMeNo | xd |
| 21:20.34 | NoNaMeNo | ok |
| 21:21.05 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: CONFIG_NFSD=m, CONFIG_NFSD_V2_ACL=y, CONFIG_NFSD_V3=y, CONFIG_NFSD_V3_ACL=y |
| 21:21.07 | panthera | sn00p: check wikipedia; that's really FAQ. |
| 21:21.15 | pickcoder | stew: I thought the "unofficial" meant that Debian doesn't support them |
| 21:21.19 | jetx | gd i put a 3G swap :/ |
| 21:21.24 | jetx | a ;year ago though |
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| 21:21.32 | pickcoder | stew: I dunno why 3ware/AMCC won't support Debian |
| 21:21.36 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: ok, so what's the output of "rpcinfo -p <nfs-server-name>"? |
| 21:21.48 | panthera | pickcoder: because their stuppid, i mailed them many times.. |
| 21:21.50 | bulio| | I can hear music playing on my debian sarge box, but I cannot start alsamixer |
| 21:21.58 | stew | pickcoder: it means they have nothing to do with the debian project (other than the fact that the site is maintained by someone who happens to be a DD) |
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| 21:22.00 | bulio| | how can I raise the volume in the command line? |
| 21:22.06 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: 100003 2 udp 2049 nfs, 100003 2 tcp 2049 nfs |
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| 21:22.27 | panthera | stew: it's me, btw :) |
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| 21:22.36 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: so there's no support in your currently running kernel for nfsv3. did you actually compile *and* install *and* run the new kernel with nfsv3? |
| 21:22.44 | stew | panthera: (yes, i know) |
| 21:22.56 | pickcoder | stew: ok |
| 21:23.01 | NoNaMeNo | yes |
| 21:23.06 | NoNaMeNo | i have only 1 kernel |
| 21:23.07 | ma3x | andbody with sid and vlc crashing? |
| 21:23.24 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: it is a sarge precompiled keernel |
| 21:23.36 | bulio| | how can I raise the sound output volume in debian sarge? |
| 21:23.41 | stew | panthera: i figure you're too busy with your 2500 packages you maintain for me to be nick hilighting you :) |
| 21:23.46 | karsten | bulio|: aumix / alsamixer' |
| 21:23.55 | pickcoder | installed the unoffical package - same problem |
| 21:23.59 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 21:24.06 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: does sarge precompiled kernel support /proc/config.gz ? |
| 21:24.08 | NoNaMeNo | karsten: client GENTOO, server DEBIAN, and any messages |
| 21:24.30 | karsten | NoNaMeNo: I think eeyore- knows markedly more than me on this. |
| 21:24.31 | enouf | sn00p: AMD64/em64t encompasses all the amd64 CPUs (Sempron/Athlon64/Opteron) and Intel Xeons/P4s/Core2Duos and such .. whereas ia64 is a totally different implementation and is Intel Only and uses iTanium CPUs |
| 21:24.35 | panthera | stew: oh, how respectull, thanks :) |
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| 21:24.37 | panthera | s/ull/full/, even |
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| 21:24.50 | NoNaMeNo | ups :P |
| 21:24.54 | stew | s/ull/ul/ even :) |
| 21:25.04 | bulio| | alsamicer is not found karsten |
| 21:25.18 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: i dont think so |
| 21:25.45 | stew | pickcoder: so you can get to the webserver, but not do anytihng? or what exactly? |
| 21:25.46 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: can you find out? :-) if there's /proc/config.gz, that's as accurate as it gets (your /etc/config-* file might not reflect reality, but /proc/config.gz, should) |
| 21:26.04 | pickcoder | stew: the daemon loads but I can't get a response from the HTTP service on 888 |
| 21:26.06 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: |
| 21:26.07 | xarq | bulio|: alsamixer? |
| 21:26.07 | NoNaMeNo | no |
| 21:26.27 | NoNaMeNo | config.gz does not exists |
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| 21:26.29 | bulio| | -bash: alsamixer: command not found |
| 21:26.32 | Varange | hi all |
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| 21:26.37 | panthera | pickcoder: by default, it is restricted to localhost only. |
| 21:26.42 | eeyore- | mmmmmmm, let's see some other ways |
| 21:26.44 | pickcoder | GET / HTTP/1.0 "\n" |
| 21:26.49 | pickcoder | I get booted |
| 21:26.52 | panthera | pickcoder: you may want to edit the configu file? |
| 21:26.59 | pickcoder | panthera: been there |
| 21:27.07 | panthera | and it's https, not http |
| 21:27.16 | xarq | bulio|: apt-cache search alsamixer |
| 21:27.19 | bulio| | alsamixergui - graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver |
| 21:27.24 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 21:27.29 | eeyore- | let me try and remember, i think there's "use nfsv3" flag somewhere in /etc, let me find it |
| 21:27.30 | jetx | alsa-base maybe |
| 21:27.40 | pickcoder | doh |
| 21:27.47 | pickcoder | panthera: thanks |
| 21:27.47 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: ok |
| 21:27.48 | Varange | I've put a new 17 inch monitor on my pc, debian seemed to detect it when I restarted, but the picture is a bit blurry, and I'm thinking it's loaded the wrong driver for it. How do I go through the configuration and check which driver is loaded? |
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| 21:27.52 | madclicker | is there a tool to remove microsoft "^M" from a text file? |
| 21:27.53 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: i will try to find it too |
| 21:27.54 | panthera | pickcoder: welcome. |
| 21:27.58 | pickcoder | panthera: I guess the older versions don't require SSL |
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| 21:28.05 | jetx | !tell Varange -about hwinfo |
| 21:28.09 | bulio| | yeah, alsa-base is it |
| 21:28.12 | xarq | madclicker: in vim? |
| 21:28.13 | Varange | thx jetx |
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| 21:28.28 | panthera | pickcoder: it doesn't require, but the debian package enforces it. |
| 21:28.33 | jetx | Varange: then you have to do drxx... or more probably hand edit it since it's borked |
| 21:28.38 | jetx | the drxx is |
| 21:28.40 | jetx | !drxx |
| 21:28.40 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 21:28.54 | bulio| | now how do I detect my card in alsamixer? |
| 21:28.55 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: what's the IP of your NFS server? |
| 21:28.58 | bulio| | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 21:29.23 | NoNaMeNo | 10.5.5.1 |
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| 21:29.41 | zervin | ok this is weird, first time in many moons ive seen this one |
| 21:29.41 | anabain | does anybody know if the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg bug has been solved? |
| 21:29.44 | NoNaMeNo | 10.5.5.0/255.255.255.0 network |
| 21:29.50 | bulio| | how do I detect my soundcard with alsa? |
| 21:29.58 | jetx | bulio|: is this sarge? you might do lsmod and look for oss modules being loaded |
| 21:30.02 | bulio| | alsaconf? |
| 21:30.08 | zervin | t30 laptop, ethernet works fine during install, but bombs out after rebootign to desktop |
| 21:30.30 | karsten | dpkg: iceweasel is also See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 21:30.30 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 21:30.32 | Varange | jetx: hwinfo found nothing. |
| 21:30.38 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: i found something |
| 21:30.43 | bulio| | my soundcard works |
| 21:30.47 | craigevil | is there an actual iceweasel package? |
| 21:30.49 | bulio| | because I was playing music without alsa |
| 21:30.56 | bulio| | but I want to boost the volume |
| 21:31.09 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: the man nfs says that default nfs is v2 you have to specify it with nfsvers=X |
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| 21:31.15 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:31.16 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:31.16 | jelly | craigevil: not yet. |
| 21:31.22 | Varange | jetx: I cannot rememebr the name of script that helps configure X... what was it again? |
| 21:31.22 | NoNaMeNo | arf, im wrong, it is to mount in fstab :S |
| 21:31.24 | jetx | Varange: you did hwinfo --monitor ? |
| 21:31.28 | jetx | !drxx |
| 21:31.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 21:31.31 | Varange | jetx: yep. |
| 21:31.44 | bulio| | when I run alsaconf I get: |
| 21:31.45 | bulio| | modinfo: snd: no module by that name found |
| 21:31.52 | bulio| | Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). |
| 21:31.56 | Varange | ok, I'll try drxx |
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| 21:32.13 | jetx | bulio|: lsmod | grep -i snd |
| 21:32.16 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: what was the rpcinfo command you used? |
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| 21:32.28 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: rpcinfo -p |
| 21:32.30 | Seb | is there a kernel parameter to set the color of the font for the boot messages ? |
| 21:32.35 | bulio| | jetx: nothing |
| 21:32.35 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: just -p? |
| 21:32.50 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: rpcinfo -p 10.5.5.1 |
| 21:32.50 | h3sp4wn | petemc: Cheers for the hint about using 2.6.18-1-xen (works fine now) - I thought (wrongly) that because 2.6.17-2-xen was in testing it would work better |
| 21:32.53 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: ok |
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| 21:33.11 | jetx | bulio|: you must have oss modules loaded... not alsa |
| 21:33.24 | bulio| | jetx: how can I fix this? |
| 21:33.34 | jetx | bulio|: blacklist them |
| 21:33.36 | jetx | !blacklist |
| 21:33.37 | dpkg | somebody said blacklist was Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 21:33.52 | bulio| | so skip oss? |
| 21:34.09 | jetx | not sure exactly... but you want the entire name of the module, iirc |
| 21:34.17 | bulio| | how can I tell what module it is? |
| 21:34.32 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 21:34.36 | jetx | lsmod | less or lsmod|grep -i audio maybe |
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| 21:34.57 | bulio| | soundcore 3268 3 [cs4281] |
| 21:34.57 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: just /etc/default/nfs-common |
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| 21:35.12 | bulio| | cs4281 42732 1 |
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| 21:35.15 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: no more nfs config files |
| 21:35.22 | bulio| | only two sound related things I see jetx |
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| 21:35.44 | jetx | bulio|: not sure... but the modules you want loaded start with snd- or snd_ |
| 21:35.44 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: do you have the "nfs-kernel-server" package installed? (i'm using sid, so you might not have it) |
| 21:35.56 | jetx | snd==alsa |
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| 21:36.15 | Max_- | some software needs libatk1.0-0 to run... I loaded libatk1.0-dev ... now it still says I need libatk1.0-1 .. so I searched.. found the deb package.. but I cant Install it, it says I already have newer version... even if I apt-get remove the 1.0-dev one!!.. how can I do??? |
| 21:36.22 | bulio| | jetx: no snd in there |
| 21:36.36 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: lol |
| 21:36.38 | jetx | bulio|: but those are what you want |
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| 21:37.00 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server says that will uninstall nfs-user-server XD and install nfs-kernel-server |
| 21:37.02 | Girol | Hi! Good evening to all! I'm new in GNU/Linux and i'm trying some distributions... |
| 21:37.03 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: could it be you're not using the kernel NFS server and may be using the userland nfs server package (is that one still around in debian?) |
| 21:37.11 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: well then :-) that will do it |
| 21:37.12 | jetx | bulio|: if i had to guess i'd say blacklist the csblah one |
| 21:37.19 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: okok XD |
| 21:37.26 | jetx | cs4281 |
| 21:37.29 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: userland nfs server sucks :-) |
| 21:37.32 | bulio| | thats the only one? |
| 21:37.39 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: I saw it |
| 21:37.45 | jetx | and you probably want snd_cs4281 |
| 21:37.48 | jetx | but i'm guessing |
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| 21:37.49 | NoNaMeNo | yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:37.53 | quintin | How to make an infinite loop in bash ? |
| 21:37.53 | eeyore- | so there it goes |
| 21:37.54 | jetx | yeah that should be the only one |
| 21:37.55 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: thx very much!!!!! |
| 21:37.58 | NoNaMeNo | look |
| 21:38.25 | eeyore- | if it's up to me, i would abolish the userland nfs package from debian. but ... it's not up to me :-) |
| 21:38.27 | abrotman | quintin: ask #bash |
| 21:38.32 | JacksLivr | iptables is not installed as an init script. in fedora i would type "chkconfg --add iptables" to add it. how do i do this in debian? |
| 21:38.35 | abrotman | eeyore-: file bugs! |
| 21:38.44 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: 100003 2 udp 2049 nfs, 100003 3 udp 2049 nfs, 100003 4 udp 2049 nfs, 100003 2 tcp 2049 nfs, 100003 3 tcp 2049 nfs, 100003 4 tcp 2049 nfs |
| 21:39.00 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: should i use nfsv4 ? |
| 21:39.09 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: don't push your luck :-) |
| 21:39.21 | NoNaMeNo | hehe |
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| 21:39.56 | bulio| | jetx: can I just uninstall oss drivers and then re-boot to let alsa load? |
| 21:39.56 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: is it experimental? i dont understand, if it is in debian sarge, it means that is very very stable right? |
| 21:40.08 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: not necessarily |
| 21:40.21 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: let's say i don't trust NFSv4 linux implementation *at this time* |
| 21:40.27 | NoNaMeNo | aha |
| 21:41.10 | slept | i need help with my sound, after i changed form 2.6.17 to 2.6.18 my sound doesn't work anymore - its not the mixer i looked at that |
| 21:41.19 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: to a little server do you recommend use sid ? |
| 21:41.28 | eeyore- | what's that debian command to find (and uninstall) packages with no dependencies? |
| 21:41.32 | Girol | someone could tell me how many cds i need to install debian? And how many cds (all cds i mean) debian has? |
| 21:41.42 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: well, i always like sid :-) but that's me |
| 21:41.49 | h3sp4wn | Girol: You don't need all of them |
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| 21:41.53 | jetx | bulio|: they would get autoloaded.. but if you blacklist the oss ones, yes it 'should' work like that |
| 21:42.06 | NoNaMeNo | well, i mean that if sid will improve the performance |
| 21:42.17 | jetx | NoNaMeNo: you don't want to run sid |
| 21:42.22 | NoNaMeNo | and wont find packages like nfs-user-kernel |
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| 21:42.23 | jetx | try etch if anything |
| 21:42.25 | sprink | eeyore-, apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` |
| 21:42.34 | eeyore- | deborphan, that's it :-) |
| 21:42.41 | eeyore- | man, it's been a while, eh? :-) |
| 21:43.00 | bulio| | jetx: so simply blacklist that one? |
| 21:43.14 | jetx | bulio|: imo yes that's all. (ymmv though) |
| 21:43.16 | jetx | !ymmv |
| 21:43.16 | dpkg | i heard ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
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| 21:43.23 | h3sp4wn | NoNaMeNo: If you run etch you can use a sid kernel if you wish (same toolchain) |
| 21:43.24 | Girol | h3sp4wn, but, how many cds i need to a basic install and to know the operating system? |
| 21:43.40 | jetx | Girol: 1 |
| 21:43.50 | craigevil | Girol only the first cd, or use the netinstall |
| 21:43.56 | jetx | what he said |
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| 21:44.35 | eeyore- | slept: sound chip? |
| 21:44.36 | Teakk | anyone here notice any major errors in gnome with the lastest dist-upgrade in etch? |
| 21:44.48 | jetx | Teakk: heh yeah |
| 21:44.53 | Girol | jetx but it includes kde and gnome |X? |
| 21:45.06 | jetx | Girol: if you want them installed yes |
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| 21:45.14 | jetx | probably not all of gnome or kde |
| 21:45.14 | Varange | hi again |
| 21:45.19 | NoNaMeNo | wow, that remembs me a issue that i was trying to solve, my debian has 386 compilers but i use gentoo in so many other pc's and i would like to use distcc, but it says that it can't find i686-gnu-linux-gcc and others, do you know how to solve that? |
| 21:45.19 | Varange | jetx: still here? |
| 21:45.27 | jetx | yeah ... hand edit the thing |
| 21:45.34 | Varange | jetx: some more help with my Xserver, please |
| 21:45.40 | Teakk | jetx, have you found any resolutions? Or are you just wiating for them to fix it in a later distupgrade? |
| 21:45.45 | Girol | jetx interesting :) |
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| 21:45.52 | orchid | Girol: generally the `Debian' way is to install only what you need when you need it. As for getting to know the system, apt-get install debian-reference-en doc-debian |
| 21:45.58 | jetx | Varange: google your monitor's model # and find the h&v rate specs |
| 21:46.11 | jetx | just the model# |
| 21:46.11 | kill4killin | how do i put the output of a command into a text file? |
| 21:46.16 | Girol | jetx thank you for the help :D |
| 21:46.24 | Varange | jetx: I've got that... 68kHz/85Hz/1280x1024 |
| 21:46.25 | jetx | kill4killin: > blah.txt or whatever |
| 21:46.25 | quintin | kill4killin: use shell redirects |
| 21:46.37 | Varange | jetx: is there a way to test the config after chaning it? |
| 21:46.40 | Girol | orchid thank you too. And h3sp4wn |
| 21:46.48 | quintin | kill4killin: "echo * > myfile". Note that ">" overwrites the file. ">>" appends to the file. |
| 21:46.48 | jetx | Varange: nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf and put em in |
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| 21:47.09 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: lol |
| 21:47.11 | jetx | Varange: just by trial and error afaik |
| 21:47.25 | slept | eeyore-, lspci tells me : Intel Corporation 82801G , someone else told me i810 and the modules alsa loads are snd-hda |
| 21:47.35 | slept | alsaconf |
| 21:47.37 | jetx | Varange: note line#17 in there (or so) about the md5sum things |
| 21:47.46 | Varange | jetx: there is no tool like XFdrake in Mandriva? |
| 21:47.53 | jetx | not afaik |
| 21:47.56 | jetx | but there might be |
| 21:47.57 | eeyore- | slept: well, if it's the "High Definition Audio" then it's *not* i810 |
| 21:48.01 | eeyore- | slept: so, is it? |
| 21:48.08 | Varange | thanks jetx |
| 21:48.09 | h3sp4wn | NoNaMeNo: Easiest way to do what you want with distcc would be to use a minimal chroot of gentoo with just distcc in it |
| 21:48.27 | quintin | anyone here used 'webcam' ?? I am having some trouble with my .webcamrc file |
| 21:48.29 | slept | i think it is normally lspci should be right |
| 21:48.29 | bulio| | jetx: I skipped cs4281 |
| 21:48.33 | bulio| | also still doesnt work |
| 21:48.37 | bulio| | maybe add snd? |
| 21:48.44 | kill4killin | i have to reboot once i upgrade kernel right? |
| 21:48.53 | jetx | bulio|: apt-get install modconf and load the correct modules |
| 21:48.59 | jetx | by running modconf |
| 21:49.01 | eeyore- | slept: so, did you run "alsaconf" after rebooting to the new kernel? just in case |
| 21:49.11 | jetx | bulio|: but is cs4281 loaded? |
| 21:49.13 | slept | eeyore-, yes i did |
| 21:49.16 | jetx | did the skip work? |
| 21:49.24 | eeyore- | slept: and, did the modules load? (check output of "dmesg") |
| 21:49.50 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: im trying to enter my nfs mount but i can only see the directorys that are mount in "/" on the server, i mean that i have a HDD with 3 partitions mounted each one in home and i share /home, then i enter in home but i can see all the directories but not the files that are inside that mounted home |
| 21:50.22 | jetx | i think nfs doens't go across mounts/different fs's |
| 21:50.29 | slept | eeyore-, i will paste in #flood seems to have an error |
| 21:50.30 | Varange | jetx: I've changed the X config. How do I reload? |
| 21:50.43 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: exportfs -rav |
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| 21:50.49 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: (on the server) |
| 21:50.55 | enouf | !tell Varange about drxx |
| 21:50.57 | jelly | NoNaMeNo: you'll have to export the mount points for the partitions too. |
| 21:51.00 | jetx | Varange: either /etc/init.d/xdm restart )(x,g,k dm) or just startx |
| 21:51.05 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: you will have to export each mount point explicitly |
| 21:51.10 | jetx | enouf: he's seen it >once |
| 21:51.13 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: /etc/exports |
| 21:51.40 | enouf | what am i - a babysitter? |
| 21:51.43 | bulio| | I don't know what to load |
| 21:51.45 | jetx | yes |
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| 21:51.58 | enouf | sits on jetx |
| 21:52.04 | enouf | :-p |
| 21:52.04 | Varange | jetx: thanks. How do I ask the bot here about xmd5? |
| 21:52.05 | NoNaMeNo | i cant do a remote mount for all i want ?? |
| 21:52.06 | jetx | bulio|: go to the sou section and look for snd-cd4281 |
| 21:52.15 | jetx | Varange: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 21:52.20 | Varange | thx |
| 21:52.29 | jelly | NoNaMeNo: nfs works only on a single filesystem by default. |
| 21:52.38 | NoNaMeNo | lol |
| 21:52.49 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: mmmm, how should i say this ... if, on the server, /home is mounted, then /home that's off of / does *not* have any content, get it? |
| 21:52.51 | bulio| | jetx: and that will get alsa to run? |
| 21:52.52 | NoNaMeNo | ok, ppl, nfs-user-kernel does nor sucks at all |
| 21:52.52 | NoNaMeNo | xD |
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| 21:52.56 | bulio| | because I hear music fine |
| 21:53.06 | jetx | bulio|: it 'should' as long as you get the correct modules |
| 21:53.10 | jetx | !alsa-bork |
| 21:53.10 | dpkg | methinks alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 21:53.17 | bulio| | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.21 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: say the NFS server has /dev/hda3 = /, then /home that's on /dev/hda3 as exported by the server, will be empty |
| 21:53.23 | jetx | snd |
| 21:53.30 | jetx | it MUST have snd prepended |
| 21:53.32 | jetx | or it's oss |
| 21:53.38 | jelly | NoNaMeNo: man exports and read the description for "nohide" option. |
| 21:54.00 | bulio| | it is oss I believe |
| 21:54.19 | jetx | there is an alsa module just waiting for you to discover it |
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| 21:54.41 | Varange | ok jetx .. all working now. ;)) Thanks for your patience and help. enouf too . |
| 21:54.46 | jetx | np |
| 21:54.56 | bulio| | so skip snd_cs4281 |
| 21:55.17 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: you didnt understand me, hda1 = /, hdb1 = /home/parents, hdb2 = /home/me, hdb3 = /home/you, then, if i share /home, i cant see the files that are inside these home files, but i can see files that are not mounted from other hdd |
| 21:55.40 | jetx | bulio|: no... you wnat the snd_ one to load |
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| 21:55.50 | jetx | you don't want the one w/o snd in front loading |
| 21:56.08 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: put it this way, export each mounted filesystem separately :-) |
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| 21:56.27 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: same concept applies to, e.g., NetApp, as well |
| 21:56.27 | bulio| | jetx: I added skip cs4281 in discover.conf and rebooted |
| 21:56.35 | yos | where i find source.list for php5-interbase |
| 21:56.39 | kill4killin | and of course, updating the kernel fixes my mouse problem in xfce... |
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| 21:56.45 | jetx | bulio|: well check and see if your skip worked |
| 21:56.51 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: im trying to use "nohide" option like jetx said, wait a minute |
| 21:56.51 | jetx | you don't want it loading' |
| 21:56.53 | jetx | lsmod |
| 21:56.53 | bulio| | it didn't |
| 21:56.56 | jetx | k |
| 21:56.59 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: nohide is a hack |
| 21:57.06 | bulio| | wait, skip worked |
| 21:57.06 | jetx | now use modconf to load the snd- ones |
| 21:57.09 | bulio| | alsaconf doesnt |
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| 21:57.36 | jelly | NoNaMeNo: even if you use nohide you still have to export all of the /home/parents, /home/you, etc. mount points for it to work. |
| 21:57.39 | jetx | bulio|: it is 'probably' named snd_cs4281 |
| 21:57.55 | jetx | bulio|: you can try just modprobe snd_cs4281 |
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| 21:58.03 | NoNaMeNo | whatever, nohide does NOT work XD |
| 21:58.07 | jetx | but modconf would edit /etc/modules for you |
| 21:58.11 | ArchitectSinan | I learned that we've got Kernel 2.6.8-3-386 in Sarge 3.1r3 if we type "linux26". I need to setup my machine booting with Kernel 2.6.18 because of a new hardware problem (Intel 965 chipset problem). I got the 1st DVD ISO image of Debian 3.1r3. And i compiled a Kernel 2.6.18 in another machine and overwrited the old 2.6.8 file in the ISO and burned to a DVD. Will it work ? |
| 21:58.15 | NoNaMeNo | ok eeyore- i will export each fs |
| 21:58.15 | bulio| | modprobe: Can't locate module snd_cs4281 |
| 21:58.23 | jetx | k well |
| 21:58.28 | jetx | what kernel bulio| |
| 21:58.35 | jetx | if you tell me 2.4 i'll scream |
| 21:58.36 | NoNaMeNo | working.. |
| 21:58.45 | kill4killin | ok, how do i adjust the time to be right? I have had this problem before, it has something to do with how windows effs with the bios clock, how do i correct this again? |
| 21:58.50 | bulio| | 2.4 =P |
| 21:58.57 | Braindead | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 21:59.02 | eeyore- | ArchitectSinan: why not boot knoppix and install debian inside chroot? |
| 21:59.13 | jetx | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:59.24 | jetx | ok alsa isn't in 2.4 kernels |
| 21:59.24 | ArchitectSinan | eeyore: i tried to boot with Knoppix 5.0.1 it also hung :( |
| 21:59.26 | yos | !telme about php5-interbase |
| 21:59.37 | jetx | you can learn to compile/apt-get alsa or install a 2.6 |
| 21:59.45 | matt_o|work | dpkg-query -W returns some versions with "1:" appended to the beginning but dpkg -l doesn't... is there a way to get dpkg-query to strip off that leading 1: stuff ? |
| 21:59.46 | eeyore- | ArchitectSinan: ok, that's about where i stop :-) |
| 21:59.50 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: Succesful |
| 21:59.55 | yos | !tel me about php5-interbase |
| 21:59.56 | ArchitectSinan | eeyore: thx friend :) |
| 21:59.56 | jetx | i don't know how... i suggest you consider 2.6 for other reasons as well |
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| 22:00.14 | eeyore- | ArchitectSinan: too adventurous for me :-) (i'd go gentoo ...) |
| 22:00.14 | NoNaMeNo | now i have to set the best block size and some vars |
| 22:00.20 | kill4killin | !adjust clock |
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| 22:00.29 | jelly | matt_o|work: why, what are you trying to do? |
| 22:00.30 | jetx | kill4killin: ntp |
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| 22:00.36 | jetx | apt-get install ntp |
| 22:00.43 | matt_o|work | jelly : I'm trying to get a list of installed packages and their versions |
| 22:00.43 | jetx | or man date |
| 22:00.44 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: "iozone" |
| 22:00.49 | matt_o|work | (using a program) |
| 22:01.00 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: what do you mean ? |
| 22:01.05 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: iozone.org |
| 22:01.28 | kill4killin | how do i do PM in irssi? i need to retreive my message from dpkg and i dont know how |
| 22:01.36 | jelly | matt_o|work: it's more correct to use the versions with epochs (1:) anyway, it's just that dpkg -l hides them. |
| 22:01.41 | matt_o|work | oh ok |
| 22:01.49 | ArchitectSinan | eeyore: i don't think that Gentoo will boot also. Because it's about kernel ;) |
| 22:01.50 | jetx | kill4killin: /window next enough times should do it i think |
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| 22:02.02 | matt_o|work | in that case, I will leave it :) |
| 22:02.57 | eeyore- | ArchitectSinan: since it's linux, have you considered installing on some less-demanding host, then install the right kernel, then transplant the HD? |
| 22:03.01 | blondie | I want cake |
| 22:03.05 | jelly | matt_o|work: you can always munge the output of dpkg-query -W in a pipe anyway |
| 22:03.13 | eeyore- | ArchitectSinan: it's not like windows where the machine you install on determines what gets installed / updated ... |
| 22:03.15 | enouf | yos : /msg dpkg php5-interface |
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| 22:03.35 | eeyore- | ArchitectSinan: to a certain extent, i mean |
| 22:03.40 | kill4killin | jetx: thank you, that worked, thats the easiest answer i have ever gotten, ill have to remember that |
| 22:04.10 | jelly | matt_o|work: eg. dpkg-query -W | sed 's/\t[0-9]*:/\t/' |
| 22:04.15 | quintin | I have ssh folder on my GNOME desktop. where in filesystem can I access that so I can save things in it with a script? |
| 22:04.26 | enouf | yos: erm.. /msg dpkg php5 |
| 22:04.38 | blondie | quintin: ~/Desktop I think |
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| 22:04.49 | blondie | quintin: or rather ~/Desktop/ssh/ |
| 22:04.58 | muaddib | Has anyone heard the latest news on Hans Reiser http://tinyurl.com/mlx5f |
| 22:04.59 | quintin | blondie: no... |
| 22:05.00 | kill4killin | did they change the name you use to get firefox with apt-get |
| 22:05.10 | blondie | quintin: why not? |
| 22:05.13 | matt_o|work | jelly thank you |
| 22:05.21 | blondie | my gnome desktop directory is ~/Desktop |
| 22:05.24 | enouf | muaddib: no |
| 22:05.46 | ArchitectSinan | eeyore: yep installing to a less-demanding host is another way. But i'm still insisting to use a new kernel. i won't give up :) |
| 22:05.50 | jelly | muaddib: is he working on Debian? :-) |
| 22:05.53 | ArchitectSinan | eeyore: yet :p |
| 22:06.14 | eeyore- | ArchitectSinan: good luck to you :-) and, yeah, i really do respect that spirit. |
| 22:06.32 | eeyore- | ArchitectSinan: "if you haven't broken it, you didn't try hard enough" |
| 22:06.40 | muaddib | jelly: If I read the informatiuon correctly not anytime soon |
| 22:06.40 | ArchitectSinan | eeyore: that's why we're here. isn't it ;) holly spirit :p |
| 22:06.46 | muaddib | enourf: He got arrested |
| 22:07.00 | jelly | muaddib: then it's offtopic here. :-> |
| 22:07.14 | quintin | blondie: it's not there that's why not! |
| 22:07.19 | karsten | kill4killin: Likely 'firefox' will remain as a transition package even if that happens. |
| 22:07.25 | blondie | quintin: oh well |
| 22:07.55 | eeyore- | well actually ... i would like to know what happened to Hans |
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| 22:08.24 | karsten | muaddib: /join #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:11.23 | muaddib | eeyore-: From the article he is a suspect in the disapperance of his wife |
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| 22:14.53 | karsten | muaddib: That's off-topic here. Take it to #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:15.14 | bulio| | jetx: you around? |
| 22:15.19 | x_link | Hi |
| 22:15.27 | x_link | I just found a computer on a auction site. |
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| 22:15.34 | x_link | Will Debian work good on this one? |
| 22:15.46 | x_link | baaah |
| 22:15.49 | x_link | I didn't copy it |
| 22:15.57 | kill4killin | was wondering how we were gunna figure it out |
| 22:15.58 | NoNaMeNo | bye byeeeeee |
| 22:16.01 | NoNaMeNo | eeyore-: thx for all |
| 22:16.05 | eeyore- | NoNaMeNo: no prob |
| 22:16.07 | NoNaMeNo | karsten: thx! |
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| 22:16.25 | bulio| | having a problem |
| 22:16.29 | bulio| | I run a kernel 2.4 |
| 22:16.37 | kill4killin | x_link: are you gunna copy the link |
| 22:16.41 | eeyore- | geez, there's even a wikipedia article about Hans already? |
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| 22:16.49 | bulio| | I disabled my soundcard by adding a skip line in discover.conf |
| 22:16.49 | NoNaMeNo | ive never thought that i would olve my problems in #debian, hehe :P, nice =) BB! |
| 22:16.56 | bulio| | now I can't get my card enabled again |
| 22:17.04 | karsten | !tell x_link about enter |
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| 22:17.57 | bulio| | anyone? |
| 22:18.09 | kill4killin | could you repeat the question, i got loged out |
| 22:18.11 | soop | delete the skip line? |
| 22:18.25 | x_link | karsten: Sorry!! I totaly understand. |
| 22:18.32 | bulio| | soop: I did, and rebooted |
| 22:18.32 | x_link | CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (1,94GhZ) |
| 22:18.32 | x_link | RAM: 512Mb DDR Twinmos (2*256) PC3200 (CL2.5) |
| 22:18.33 | x_link | CD: 48x CD-R/RW+ 56x CD-R |
| 22:18.33 | x_link | Hdd: WD 80Gb 7200rpmIDE (2 months old) |
| 22:18.33 | x_link | Video Card: A-Open GeForce 4 MX 440 SE AGP 64Mb DDR TV/Video OUT |
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| 22:18.34 | nokrev | So, I'm sure this has an obvious answer, but when I try to install nvidia drivers (`m-a auto-install nvidia`), it fails because I have rivafb drivers, which conflict. Do I have to entirely recompile the kernel to remove this, or is there an easier way? |
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| 22:19.03 | kill4killin | x_link: to give you an idea, im running on a 500mhz 128mb RAM machine right now |
| 22:19.07 | kill4killin | i think you will run fine |
| 22:19.11 | karsten | !tell x_link about flood |
| 22:19.21 | karsten | !tell x_link about paster |
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| 22:19.40 | x_link | kill4killin: I'm using a Intel P II 450MHz, 512MB RAM, 16MB video card, but it laggs sometimes. |
| 22:19.46 | karsten | x_link: Best way to compat-test the box is to try booting Knoppix on it. |
| 22:19.52 | eeyore- | nokrev: recompile kernel, or if rivafb is modular, don't load it (or delete it) |
| 22:20.09 | x_link | compat-test ? |
| 22:20.12 | kill4killin | x_link: what WM |
| 22:20.14 | karsten | x_link: Excellent automated HW detection. RAM and CPU are more than sufficient, the G-Force should be fine. |
| 22:20.17 | karsten | x_link: compatibility test |
| 22:20.22 | x_link | karsten: WM ? |
| 22:20.24 | x_link | karsten: Okey. |
| 22:20.27 | kill4killin | window manager |
| 22:20.32 | eeyore- | nokrev: however i think nvidia package will still check kernel config to make sure you don't have rivafb (even if modular) so you might have to recompile after all |
| 22:20.37 | karsten | kill4killin: swede |
| 22:20.39 | x_link | I thought that Linux would run great on this machine before I got it. |
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| 22:20.47 | x_link | kill4killin: KDE 3.5 |
| 22:20.54 | karsten | x_link: it should. What's on it now? |
| 22:20.55 | x_link | That's why it's using CPU/RAM. |
| 22:20.59 | kill4killin | x_link, there is your problem |
| 22:21.06 | eeyore- | nokrev: if you *do* want rivafb and nvidia, you'll have to do two-step ... get no-rivafb kernel running first, then install nvidia, then recompile kernel, but you still will have issues with AGP :-) |
| 22:21.16 | x_link | karsten: On this machine ? |
| 22:21.23 | x_link | I just told you. =) |
| 22:21.27 | nokrev | eeyore-: ok, then is this what I should follow? http://www.l0t3k.net/biblio/linux/debian/en/debian-kernel-recompile.html |
| 22:21.34 | kill4killin | x_link: switch to xfce like i have and you wont notice any lag if maybe a little |
| 22:22.03 | x_link | kill4killin: I tried xfce. I didn't like it at all. |
| 22:22.06 | x_link | I just like KDE. |
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| 22:22.26 | kill4killin | x_link, well kde is heavy so on an older machine its going to lag |
| 22:22.55 | karsten | x_link: Erm, what distro? KDE is a desktop environment |
| 22:23.19 | kill4killin | karsten: he said debian i believe |
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| 22:23.37 | bulio| | how do I raise my sound volume level in kernel 2.4? |
| 22:23.49 | karsten | kill4killin: OK. I thought he was asking whether he could install it. |
| 22:23.53 | karsten | bulio|: aumix / alsamixer |
| 22:24.18 | bulio| | karsten: alsa isn't in kernel 2.4 |
| 22:24.27 | kill4killin | karsten: no, he was wondering if a machine he picked up could run debian, then we started talking about wms because he was saying that kde lagged on his current machine |
| 22:24.28 | karsten | bulio|: aumix |
| 22:24.37 | karsten | kill4killin: OK.... |
| 22:24.47 | bulio| | karsten: -bash: aumix: command not found |
| 22:24.48 | karsten | x_link: What are you running on the machine bought at auction now? |
| 22:24.54 | karsten | !tell bulio| about installit |
| 22:24.54 | x_link | karsten: I'm using Debian Testing, KDE 3.5 and keel 2.6 |
| 22:25.03 | karsten | x_link: On the machine you bought? |
| 22:25.10 | kill4killin | x_link: the new machine you picked up should run kde pretty well |
| 22:25.13 | karsten | x_link: ... erm, just bought? Or another system? |
| 22:25.23 | x_link | karsten: No... That AMD Athlon machine is not mine, I made a bid on it. |
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| 22:25.36 | karsten | x_link: Ah, so yu don't have it yet? |
| 22:25.37 | x_link | kill4killin: Okey. |
| 22:25.42 | x_link | karsten: Nope =( |
| 22:25.53 | x_link | But I think I will win it. |
| 22:25.56 | x_link | It's cheap also. |
| 22:26.10 | x_link | It's on $106 right now ( 800:- swedish). |
| 22:26.13 | karsten | x_link: FYI, the usual stumbling blocks are: video (nvidia & ati specifically), sound, sometimes internal modem, sometimes (very rare) network cards. |
| 22:26.26 | karsten | x_link: Most generic HW is now very well supported. |
| 22:26.30 | karsten | x_link: Looks like a good deal. |
| 22:26.36 | x_link | Thanks! =) |
| 22:26.51 | x_link | I just hope I will win it. There is ALOT of cheap computers on that site. |
| 22:26.56 | kill4killin | karsten: really? I've never had a problem with generic hw |
| 22:27.06 | karsten | x_link: Best bet, as I said before, is to burn a Knoppix disk boot that, and see what it does in terms of video, networking, sound, USB, firewire, etc. |
| 22:27.15 | kill4killin | x_link: share the knowledge :) |
| 22:27.20 | karsten | kill4killin: No, I'm a lying bastard dog. |
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| 22:27.33 | kill4killin | :P |
| 22:27.36 | karsten | kill4killin: based on my own and others' experience, those are the usual compat issues. |
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| 22:27.52 | kill4killin | karsten: guess iv just been lucky then... |
| 22:27.56 | karsten | x_link: Mind: even with partial HW support, you've got a usable box. Just depends on what you want to use it for. |
| 22:28.32 | x_link | kill4killin: Share what knowlegde ? |
| 22:28.34 | x_link | =) |
| 22:28.45 | micdearmas | #flood |
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| 22:29.28 | x_link | I just want a machine that I can learn more about Linux, browsing, irc, mail, maybe add some desktop themes etc. Without lagging. |
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| 22:30.27 | karsten | x_link: You should be in fine shape. |
| 22:30.44 | x_link | karsten: What is the name of the old founder of freenode? |
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| 22:30.51 | x_link | Okey. |
| 22:30.51 | quicoju_ | which package contains the startx script? |
| 22:31.15 | karsten | x_link: Rob Levin |
| 22:31.56 | czoktav | just wondering why MS Word fires up in a few seconds, while OpenOffice on my debian takes a 100 years to load... |
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| 22:32.07 | kill4killin | x_link: yea, given that you dont have any hw compat problems, that should prove to be a more than useable machine |
| 22:32.12 | karsten | czoktav: precache |
| 22:32.34 | bulio| | how do I exit aumix? |
| 22:32.46 | x_link | karsten: Ahh right. |
| 22:32.46 | karsten | bulio|: 'q' |
| 22:32.50 | nvz | czoktav: maybe because you have ms word running already |
| 22:32.57 | streuner | bulio|: "B" |
| 22:33.02 | nokrev | Ok. I'm trying to recompile the kernel (http://www.l0t3k.net/biblio/linux/debian/en/debian-kernel-recompile.html), but I can't get the kernel-source package. I tried kernel-source-2.6, and it finds a reference to it, but says “this may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source.†Is there a source I need to add? |
| 22:33.03 | nvz | czoktav: its possible to have an oo.o quickstart as well |
| 22:33.10 | karsten | czoktav: You can put 'openoffice -quickstart &' into your startup sequence. |
| 22:33.18 | bulio| | does aumix have equilizer settings? |
| 22:33.24 | czoktav | karsten: thankx, ill try that |
| 22:33.27 | x_link | kill4killin: I answeared you in PM. |
| 22:33.35 | streuner | bulio|: just start it and find out |
| 22:33.40 | bulio| | I did |
| 22:33.43 | bulio| | there is none |
| 22:33.43 | czoktav | karsten: that would probably mean a slower startup though |
| 22:33.47 | karsten | czoktav: erm. '-nodefault -nologo' |
| 22:33.53 | streuner | well, you are out of luck then |
| 22:33.56 | karsten | czoktav: Right. That's how Windows does it. |
| 22:34.00 | kill4killin | x_link: is your nick registered? |
| 22:34.22 | enoeht | anyone knows how to resize raid1 using mdadm? |
| 22:34.22 | x_link | kill4killin: Yes |
| 22:34.34 | x_link | But I couldn't identify on this server |
| 22:34.35 | kill4killin | x_link: hm...i didnt get your pm |
| 22:34.36 | karsten | czoktav: You pay at startup for a faster start when you want the application. There's a preload cache which (IIUICWMNBTC) loads up frequently accessed DLLs in Windows, at boot time. |
| 22:34.38 | x_link | How do I identify here ? |
| 22:34.48 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.49 | x_link | Same was as in DALnet? |
| 22:34.53 | karsten | dpkg: IIUICWMNBTC is if I understand it correctly, which may not be the case |
| 22:34.53 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 22:34.55 | x_link | streuner: Okey. |
| 22:34.57 | kill4killin | "/msg nickserv help" |
| 22:35.01 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.18 | karsten | streuner: is /msg nickserv identify identifiable? |
| 22:35.19 | czoktav | thanks karsten, ill try that precache then |
| 22:35.31 | x_link | kill4killin: I haven't registered x_link on freenode |
| 22:35.36 | bt_ | Got a supermicro mainboard, and the documentation tells me to use ICH7 driver to get the raid working. Are there one allready avaliable in my etch installation, or would I be better off running a software raid within my installation ? |
| 22:35.56 | kill4killin | x_link: /msg nickserv help to see how to do it |
| 22:36.01 | x_link | Okey. |
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| 22:36.33 | streuner | karsten: if "identifiable" is your passwort ;-) |
| 22:36.40 | karsten | streuner: ;-) |
| 22:36.52 | enoeht | i'm trying to resize a raid1 array from 300gb to 500gb and get an error. Anyone? |
| 22:37.07 | x_link | 00:37 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- REGISTER Register a nickname |
| 22:37.14 | x_link | How should I type it ? |
| 22:37.17 | Max_- | some software needs libatk1.0-0 to run... I loaded libatk1.0-dev ... now it still says I need libatk1.0-1 .. so I searched.. found the deb package.. but I cant Install it, it says I already have newer version... even if I apt-get remove the 1.0-dev one!!.. how can I do??? |
| 22:37.46 | kill4killin | x_link: type /msg nickserv regsiter (username) (password) i believe |
| 22:37.56 | x_link | Okey. |
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| 22:38.01 | kill4killin | its been a while since ive done it though |
| 22:38.02 | quintin | open filename: No such file or directory |
| 22:38.11 | quintin | I see this when I try to run "webcam" anyone help? |
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| 22:38.36 | streuner | quintin: is the webcam supported? |
| 22:39.04 | quintin | streuner: that's not the issue. the camera works fine. |
| 22:39.08 | keith | guys is there any way i can allow user to do there own email forwarding i.e setup fwding to there hotmail accounts. via some sort of web interface |
| 22:39.20 | keith | anyone know of any thing that will do the job ? |
| 22:39.20 | war95 | bt_: I have SW raid too |
| 22:39.22 | quintin | it will even save 1 img in the dir. then I get that error I pasted over and over and over again |
| 22:39.23 | war95 | bt_: same chipset |
| 22:39.24 | x_link | kill4killin: 00:40 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Syntax: REGISTER <password> |
| 22:39.26 | war95 | bt_: but I use sw raid |
| 22:39.27 | x_link | I get that message. |
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| 22:39.44 | crovax | x_link: /ns register <password> |
| 22:40.07 | x_link | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.19 | kill4killin | x_link: then do that, type in /msg nickserv <password> |
| 22:40.22 | crovax | hmm, oh bah well then: /msg nickserv register <password> |
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| 22:40.33 | kill4killin | crovax: lol |
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| 22:41.05 | kill4killin | good idea |
| 22:41.07 | streuner | quintin: some developers have for there drivers a forum or such |
| 22:41.50 | streuner | quintin: on a wild guess, its a third party driver? |
| 22:41.50 | x_link | Is there any command so that I just have to type /identify to identify? |
| 22:42.04 | x_link | I did that on DALnet, but I don't remember the command. |
| 22:42.15 | kill4killin | not unless you make some sort of macro like thing |
| 22:42.15 | quintin | streuner: NO THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE FFS |
| 22:42.21 | streuner | haha |
| 22:42.25 | quintin | streuner: I said it is supported and works fine. was that not clear? |
| 22:42.26 | keith | lol |
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| 22:42.54 | quintin | plug it in -> it works. the issue is something in the way "webcam" is saving images. |
| 22:43.21 | quintin | I have broken 1 keyboard and 1 mouse so far trying ot resolve thisissue. |
| 22:43.23 | enoeht | anyone has upgraded mdadm to major release? |
| 22:43.28 | quintin | I amgetting frustttttrated |
| 22:43.44 | quintin | 2 kbyrd 1 mouse |
| 22:43.47 | quintin | dammit! |
| 22:43.50 | enoeht | from1.x to 2.x? |
| 22:44.21 | yanmorin | 2000 bird 1 mouse? |
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| 22:45.10 | quintin | streuner: have you everused 'webcam'? |
| 22:45.24 | streuner | quintin: sure |
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| 22:45.51 | streuner | "webcam" in terms of hardware |
| 22:45.56 | czoktav | you were so right about that openoffice precaching... :) |
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| 22:46.27 | quintin | streuner: Imean'webcam' software. that should beobvios. nevermind |
| 22:46.27 | kill4killin | this is somewhat off topic but does anyone know if they make kvm switches for 2 monitors? |
| 22:46.33 | streuner | no |
| 22:47.56 | streuner | gqcam or/and camstream, IIRC |
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| 22:48.20 | quintin | streuner: any recommendation to save imageat regular ingerval? |
| 22:48.33 | quintin | Ibork my last keybarod. URGH! |
| 22:48.35 | eeyore- | naming a software "webcam" is particularly stupid as it means you have zero chance of being near top of google search |
| 22:48.52 | quintin | eeyore-: yea no shit. I am wondering whta he is thinkingthat iw waaaaaaaayyyyyy too generic |
| 22:49.01 | slept | isn't irq 58 very strang for a soundcard ?? |
| 22:49.14 | streuner | very |
| 22:49.25 | eeyore- | quintin: but now that you mention it, what's the problem? :-) |
| 22:49.38 | eeyore- | slept: it just means you have IOAPIC |
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| 22:50.36 | quintin | eeyore-: itsay it cannot open filewhen I try to save... it save 1 img,then keep saying can'topen file. I need to save image at regular interval with a timestamp in filename ti makeit unique |
| 22:51.00 | eeyore- | quintin: well, look at the source code then? sounds like a bug |
| 22:51.00 | slept | eeyore-, what is IOAPIC ? |
| 22:51.33 | quintin | eeyore-:NO. I hate coding and I dont' have the time |
| 22:51.48 | eeyore- | slept: let's you use interrupt-driven devices in sane way when you have more than one CPU |
| 22:51.49 | quintin | Okalternatively can someone watch my webcamfor 20 minutes whileI runout and call 911 if something bad happens? :P |
| 22:52.09 | streuner | quintin: we told you already, is there a forum for the driver... |
| 22:52.36 | slept | eeyore-, ah, thanks. |
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| 22:53.01 | quintin | streuner: look--I'm just going to ignore you now, 'cause you are really pissing me off. this is *not* a driver issue! |
| 22:53.04 | eeyore- | slept: if you see IRQ > 20-ish, then you have (and are using) IO APIC (it's a hardware chip) |
| 22:53.37 | eeyore- | slept: you can disable it, if you suspect problems. boot kernel with "noapic" option. |
| 22:53.37 | quintin | if there were a problem with the driver then how would I be albe to use the cam for chat and capture images etc? how would it 'just work' whenplugged in? |
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| 22:53.37 | streuner | quintin: ok, search for the forum of the app. itself then |
| 22:53.42 | quintin | uyrrrrg |
| 22:53.45 | kill4killin | after i do an apt-get upgrade, do i need to restart my machine or just log out of x and out of the machine and then log back in? |
| 22:53.57 | quintin | streuner: been doing google searches not finding anything |
| 22:54.17 | streuner | quintin: what happens if you just using something else? |
| 22:54.22 | quintin | streuner: I give you $3.49and some navallint to watchmy front door while I run out? :"> |
| 22:54.29 | quintin | streuner: ahh.. hmm? I no understand question |
| 22:54.32 | danieldg | kill4killin: just logout unless you updated the kernel |
| 22:54.57 | kill4killin | yea i already did that part, i just updated my packages for stuff, thanks |
| 22:55.03 | quintin | streuner: oh different tool!? I only havecamorama installed as well and smallest interval it do is 1MINUTE i need like 1 SECOND. do you recommend any otherwebcam tool? |
| 22:55.31 | eeyore- | gnome-meeting, now renamed ... oh ... what the heck is it renamed to? ... |
| 22:55.54 | quintin | eeyore-: job is to take a picture every 1s. that is what I need. don't want video conferencing or such |
| 22:55.54 | slept | eeyore-, not in debian |
| 22:56.16 | eeyore- | quintin: why not look for "motion", then? google for "motion and pwcc" |
| 22:56.18 | slept | eeyore-, the new one, still gnomemeeting |
| 22:56.27 | kill4killin | window 4 |
| 22:56.31 | streuner | !info camstream |
| 22:56.33 | dpkg | camstream: (Collection of tools for webcams and other video-devices), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.26.3+dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 178 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
| 22:56.46 | quintin | eeyore-: ty I try that |
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| 22:58.01 | x_link | damn... |
| 22:58.10 | karsten | x_link: ? Lost bid? |
| 22:58.16 | x_link | It's not possible to just change the color of the letters in the K Menu ? |
| 22:58.20 | x_link | karsten: hehe no. |
| 22:58.59 | x_link | I made my K Menu transparent, but it's hard to see th eletter when it's black. So I changed it to white, but then ALL the letters in all menu's got white. In the folder etc. Then I can't see the letters is the folers. =( |
| 22:59.09 | x_link | I really like the K Menu transparent. |
| 22:59.24 | x_link | If somebody knows a way for me to fix this, then PLEASE tell me! |
| 22:59.58 | karsten | x_link: maybe #kde? |
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| 23:01.53 | x_link | Nobody is answearing |
| 23:02.16 | enouf | x_link: there are one too many gazillion settings/themes/eye-candy crap for me .. to worry about adjusting all that nonsense .. turn it all off and run lean and mean (atleast as much as one can using a large DE) |
| 23:02.28 | x_link | Ahh now there is people. |
| 23:02.38 | karsten | "Put the !@#$%^&*() froonoble in the !@#$%^&*() garfbly and !@#$%^&*() turn to !@#$%^&*() 11! |
| 23:02.45 | karsten | x_link: Patience. |
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| 23:02.55 | enouf | x_link: try links2 and use links2 -g |
| 23:03.07 | quintin | eeyore-: PERFECTI LOVE YOU <3 |
| 23:03.09 | karsten | dpkg needs an answear factoid.... |
| 23:03.12 | x_link | enouf: Where/how/what ? |
| 23:03.18 | willwork4foo | hello! Is it possible to install debian on a machine without a CDROM? (it does have a floppy drive and a network port) |
| 23:03.21 | karsten | enouf: w00t! You've got a date! |
| 23:03.23 | enouf | apt-get install links2 |
| 23:03.24 | quintin | eeyore-: my cams defaults arecrap though. I haveto fix itso image quality isgood but wiooooooooooooooooooooooooo thisiswhatIwant |
| 23:03.32 | streuner | willwork4foo: sure |
| 23:03.33 | enouf | karsten: hehe |
| 23:03.41 | streuner | willwork4foo: /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:03.42 | x_link | enouf: Okey |
| 23:03.47 | stew | willwork4foo: yes, you can install from floppies or a usb key, or put the harddrive into another machine and do the install from there |
| 23:04.11 | eeyore- | quintin: yeah, it's kind of neat. it will stream live images, and save any detected motion to *.mpg files ... kills two birds with one stone |
| 23:04.21 | yanmorin | x_link: open a console, check inside kde/share/config/ , do a ls -lt | head, check inside the latest modified config file, and then find a way to reload kicker |
| 23:04.37 | willwork4foo | installing from floppies is preferable |
| 23:04.38 | yanmorin | hum, .kde/share/config/ |
| 23:04.40 | willwork4foo | this is a laptop |
| 23:04.43 | enouf | x_link: from a konsole , VT, xterm, use 'links2 -g' to fire it up |
| 23:04.50 | willwork4foo | wow - that's a BIG long contents page |
| 23:04.52 | karsten | willwork4foo: ... or chroot install. There's lots of ways to do it. |
| 23:04.55 | willwork4foo | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386 |
| 23:05.12 | x_link | enouf: It's downloading now. |
| 23:05.12 | karsten | enouf: Is this a "how do I use paster from console?" question? /msg dpkg console paster |
| 23:05.13 | streuner | !be a reading barbie |
| 23:05.14 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, streuner |
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| 23:05.22 | stew | !sarge floppies |
| 23:05.23 | dpkg | well, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 If you etch/testing chage "stable" to "etch". |
| 23:05.23 | willwork4foo | karsten: This system currently has no OS at all on it, and no CDROM drive. I can't get the hard disk out, and I've got a floppy drive and a network port. |
| 23:05.24 | x_link | enouf: What is links2 ? |
| 23:05.42 | karsten | willwork4foo: boot floppies, PXE boot, USB stick, would be my options. |
| 23:05.44 | enouf | x_link: a browser |
| 23:05.44 | karsten | !links2 |
| 23:05.44 | dpkg | well, links2 is a text and graphics browser with https and javascript. http://packages.debian.org/links2 |
| 23:05.59 | x_link | Okey |
| 23:06.02 | willwork4foo | karsten: cool. I've tried USB stick boot (using damnsmalllinux) and it didn't work |
| 23:06.06 | yanmorin | !karsten |
| 23:06.07 | dpkg | from memory, karsten is ladies, run for your lives!, or fine like wine |
| 23:06.27 | enouf | karsten: seriously .. i missed something - heh |
| 23:06.43 | karsten | enouf: Such as? |
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| 23:06.58 | enouf | hey now I [TM] that fine wine bit :-) |
| 23:07.05 | karsten | enouf: :-) |
| 23:07.22 | enouf | karsten: the /msg question ? |
| 23:07.28 | stew | karsten is not an emulator |
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| 23:07.38 | yanmorin | kisnae |
| 23:07.44 | willwork4foo | let's see if this will work :) |
| 23:07.56 | karsten | stew: Nor am I emulated. |
| 23:08.13 | karsten | stew: ... nor, as untold billions are grateful for: emulable. |
| 23:08.18 | enouf | ahhh . but are you pasteurized? |
| 23:08.18 | streuner | willwork4foo: check out /msg dpkg laptops too |
| 23:08.27 | enouf | hates to be homgenized |
| 23:08.37 | karsten | enouf: 16:04 < enouf> x_link: from a konsole , VT, xterm, use 'links2 -g' to fire it up |
| 23:08.55 | karsten | enouf: Thought he was stuck at console and trying to use a paster / pastebin. NM. |
| 23:09.07 | enouf | karsten: me and my way too much info ... hehe |
| 23:09.15 | karsten | enouf: No. Irradiated. |
| 23:09.21 | enouf | karsten: ok |
| 23:09.32 | karsten | enouf: .. but not _there_. |
| 23:10.09 | enouf | hears the theme to twilight zone slowly fading in and out |
| 23:11.13 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 23:11.16 | enouf | :-p |
| 23:11.27 | x_link | hrmm |
| 23:11.31 | x_link | It's getting late here. |
| 23:11.35 | enouf | x_link: the -g is for gui |
| 23:11.35 | willwork4foo | hokay, let's see if these Debian floppies will boot my bizarre IBM thinkpad laptop here |
| 23:11.52 | jetscreamer | there are kernel modules for thinkpads if that helps |
| 23:12.12 | willwork4foo | I've already tried and failed with the Slackware boot floppies - it kernel panicked when putting in the second disk. let's see if Debian fares any better :S |
| 23:12.30 | karsten | willwork4foo: What thinkpad? |
| 23:13.01 | willwork4foo | karsten: Old P3 X20 series |
| 23:13.11 | willwork4foo | 128MB RAM, 500MHz P3 |
| 23:13.14 | karsten | willwork4foo: ... and a lot of 'em have superbays for drives, should be able to swot an HD or CDR in or out. Also USB CD/Floppy. |
| 23:13.20 | willwork4foo | this has no superbay |
| 23:13.24 | willwork4foo | it's a tiny laptop |
| 23:13.32 | karsten | willwork4foo: Working on a T21 as we speak, PIII 800 / 512 MB |
| 23:13.35 | willwork4foo | woohooo |
| 23:13.37 | karsten | OK. |
| 23:13.43 | karsten | Workee? |
| 23:13.43 | abrotman | !LAPTOP |
| 23:13.44 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 23:14.04 | enouf | jjst start clicking wjere the menu would be .. and one will appear (or use ESC) .. then ' g ' and type in a URL and BAM! |
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| 23:14.19 | shwag | any ideas why these processes are not going away on their own ? http://pastie.caboo.se/16987 |
| 23:14.24 | enouf | x_link: ^^^ |
| 23:14.39 | x_link | enouf: Now it's done |
| 23:14.41 | x_link | Just a sec |
| 23:15.03 | abrotman | shwag: no way to tell really .. |
| 23:15.12 | abrotman | shwag: runs fine if you run it from the shell ? |
| 23:15.12 | enouf | dun da dun dun ... da da dundun dunnn |
| 23:15.16 | willwork4foo | ok - I've got as far as loading the drivers for the network from the floppy, and I'm being told by Debian that I need to select my floppy drive from a list |
| 23:15.18 | karsten | willwork4foo: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_on_a_ThinkPad_X20 |
| 23:15.26 | shwag | abrotman: what does the SN mean? I know S is sleep....whats the N ? |
| 23:15.28 | karsten | willwork4foo: Likely /dev/fd0? |
| 23:15.28 | willwork4foo | how do I find out what my USB floppy drive is called? |
| 23:15.33 | willwork4foo | that's not on the list |
| 23:15.34 | karsten | willwork4foo: /dev/sda |
| 23:15.41 | willwork4foo | that's also not on the list |
| 23:15.44 | shwag | abrotman: runs fine most of the time. those are two that never closed over dozens of runs. |
| 23:15.46 | karsten | willwork4foo: Or cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 23:15.57 | willwork4foo | I've got a load of /dev/floppy/blah devices |
| 23:15.58 | karsten | willwork4foo: Console on <alt><F2> |
| 23:16.03 | willwork4foo | karsten: yep |
| 23:16.13 | abrotman | shwag: man ps ... /STAT |
| 23:16.17 | x_link | enouf: What should I do now ? |
| 23:16.19 | enouf | x_link: it's a bit quitky, but you'll learn it in no time |
| 23:16.25 | abrotman | shwag: roughly .. they're sleeping |
| 23:16.32 | enouf | x_link: browse the weB? |
| 23:16.37 | willwork4foo | karsten: /proc/bus/usb is empty |
| 23:16.41 | karsten | willwork4foo: ... or /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 23:16.47 | zamuro | Buenas. |
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| 23:16.52 | Teakk | I did an apt-get upgrade, and apt-get dist-upgrade this morning, noticed a bunch of font packages were getting updated ... next time i restarted X, all of my fonts are messed up on the GTk side of things....they dont even appear in some apps (xmms for example)...has anyone else noticed this, or perhaps have a remedy? |
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| 23:17.02 | x_link | enouf: Should I just open my Firefox ? |
| 23:17.07 | x_link | I don't understand really. |
| 23:17.07 | karsten | Teakk: What release? |
| 23:17.12 | Teakk | Kage, etch |
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| 23:17.21 | Teakk | etch* |
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| 23:17.30 | enouf | x_link: no need .. scroll up for instructs earlier |
| 23:17.33 | willwork4foo | karsten: I've found one that looks possible, but it's not on this list |
| 23:17.49 | karsten | willwork4foo: Alternatively, just try sequentially going through the list. |
| 23:17.54 | karsten | willwork4foo: What's the list contain? |
| 23:17.56 | enouf | x_link: type links2 -g |
| 23:18.07 | fantomas_ | Hi. Is there a tool for an end-to-end network connection testing? |
| 23:18.21 | willwork4foo | karsten: loads of entries similar to this: /dev/floppy/0u1440 |
| 23:18.28 | nokrev | I can't run `make menuconfig` (trying to compile kernel 2.6.8): some static declaration errors in "scripts/kconfig/mconf.c", then previous declaration error... |
| 23:18.30 | Teakk | karsten, even if I open up the gnome-control-center, and adjust the fonts, it does not help anything ... still no fonts appearing in the contextual menus or dialgs of xmms |
| 23:18.36 | willwork4foo | and /dev/floppy/0u1680 |
| 23:18.36 | enouf | x_link: into your terminal, konsole, xterm. whatever the f |
| 23:18.50 | willwork4foo | at the bottom, there is /dev/floppy/0 (which doesn't work) |
| 23:18.50 | x_link | Okey |
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| 23:19.08 | nokrev | Any idea what's wrong with make? |
| 23:19.14 | x_link | links2 -g didn't work |
| 23:19.15 | willwork4foo | and below that, /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc |
| 23:19.19 | x_link | Should I be root ? |
| 23:19.20 | willwork4foo | which also doesn't work |
| 23:19.22 | Teakk | jetscreamer, you do not recommend it? |
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| 23:19.24 | Teakk | why's that? |
| 23:19.26 | karsten | willwork4foo: Can you type in a response? I'd try "/dev/sda" personally. |
| 23:19.42 | karsten | willwork4foo: Maybe "other"? |
| 23:19.43 | jetscreamer | Teakk: it's not debian, so of course i don't.... hint hint |
| 23:19.45 | enouf | x_link: dpkg -l | tail -1 |
| 23:19.52 | enouf | bagh |
| 23:19.54 | x_link | root? |
| 23:19.57 | enouf | x_link: dpkg -l links | tail -1 |
| 23:19.59 | willwork4foo | aha wait a minute |
| 23:20.09 | willwork4foo | I think it's found my network device |
| 23:20.19 | x_link | enouf: sedde@c83-249-192-67:~$ dpkg -l | tail -1 |
| 23:20.20 | x_link | ii zlib1g-dev 1.2.3-13 compression library - development |
| 23:20.43 | karsten | willwork4foo: FYI, though it doesn't cover floppy install: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installation_on_ThinkPads_without_CD-ROM_drive |
| 23:20.47 | enouf | my bad .. try dpkg -l links2 | tail -1 |
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| 23:21.03 | enouf | x_link: ^^^ |
| 23:21.05 | willwork4foo | wahey!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:21.11 | willwork4foo | debian is downloading stuffs from the web! |
| 23:21.11 | karsten | willwork4foo: ?? |
| 23:21.16 | karsten | willwork4foo: Coolio. |
| 23:21.23 | x_link | No packges matchs with links2 |
| 23:21.26 | karsten | willwork4foo: So the floppy install is proceeding? |
| 23:21.29 | willwork4foo | It's "Loading components of the Debian Installer" |
| 23:21.29 | x_link | Maybe it didn't get installed properly. |
| 23:21.41 | willwork4foo | I didn't need the net-drivers floppy that I was trying to load |
| 23:21.48 | enouf | x_link: then you haven't installed it .. lemmee see something jhold on |
| 23:21.50 | karsten | willwork4foo: Could be. |
| 23:21.58 | willwork4foo | fantastic. |
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| 23:22.06 | karsten | willwork4foo: If you're relatively standard, should be built-in. |
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| 23:22.16 | willwork4foo | Now all I gotta do is work out how to install Debian (been a long long time since I did this) |
| 23:22.19 | x_link | apt-get install links2 |
| 23:22.19 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 23:22.22 | x_link | I will do that again. |
| 23:22.41 | enouf | x_link: sorry -- it's in Sid/Unstable ... nevermind .. you likely have Stable/Sarge |
| 23:22.59 | x_link | I have Debian Testing. |
| 23:23.10 | enouf | x_link: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:23.12 | x_link | enouf: links2 = Web Browser ? |
| 23:23.14 | x_link | ok |
| 23:23.16 | enouf | ok |
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| 23:23.38 | x_link | sedde@c83-249-192-67:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:23.38 | x_link | testing/unstable |
| 23:24.04 | enouf | x_link: yes ... apt-cache show <packagename> .. but it won't show as available if not your version I suspect |
| 23:24.23 | enouf | ok you're on testing |
| 23:24.24 | x_link | apt-cache show links2 ? |
| 23:24.30 | enouf | yep |
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| 23:25.10 | x_link | That showed alot of stuff |
| 23:25.25 | h3sp4wn | apt-cache policy links2 (it is in etch) |
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| 23:26.16 | enouf | h3sp4wn: wonder why a /msg dpkg info links2 only shows sid |
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| 23:26.30 | jetscreamer | because you didn't specify etch |
| 23:26.33 | Steakk | jetscreamer, thanks for refusing to recommend that script for fixing fonts |
| 23:26.37 | jetscreamer | np |
| 23:26.43 | jetscreamer | did it work? |
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| 23:27.04 | Steakk | How would I know, I didnt use it :P yeah, worked like a charm ... ran it, restarted X, and my fonts are back into place |
| 23:27.07 | Steakk | what caused that? |
| 23:27.18 | x_link | apt-cache policy links2 |
| 23:27.19 | jetscreamer | not sure... you could less it :) |
| 23:27.24 | x_link | Should I do that now ? |
| 23:27.41 | jetscreamer | oh hey don't use the install-nvidia or the install-fglrx ones either... |
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| 23:27.42 | x_link | enouf: is it okey if we do this tomorrow ? |
| 23:27.43 | Steakk | jetscreamer, I looked through the file, but, i dont know enough about the font tree layout to pay much attention to it |
| 23:27.47 | x_link | I really have to go to bed now |
| 23:27.49 | jetscreamer | me neither |
| 23:27.52 | x_link | It's 01:29 here now. |
| 23:27.58 | enouf | x_link: yep there's an Etch/testing version [19:19:35] [dpkg] links2: (Web browser running in both graphics and text mode), section net, is optional. Version: 2.1pre23-1 (etch), Packaged size: 2026 kB, Installed size: 3232 kB |
| 23:28.09 | enouf | night night |
| 23:28.19 | x_link | enouf: But what is wrong with FireFox ? |
| 23:28.34 | enouf | x_link: dog slow compared to links2 |
| 23:28.41 | x_link | Okey. |
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| 23:29.02 | x_link | I first that that links to had something to do with the colors of the letters on teh K Menu |
| 23:29.05 | x_link | hehe |
| 23:29.12 | jetscreamer | but seriously don't use the install-compiz one.... doesn't work |
| 23:29.14 | enouf | heck .. use Epiphany then ... unless you're one of those macromonkey shockwave crap flashfanatic 1337 kids :-p |
| 23:29.15 | x_link | Good night everybody |
| 23:29.18 | jetscreamer | least not for me |
| 23:29.37 | abrotman | epiphany can use flash |
| 23:29.40 | x_link | enouf: I don't care much, just want a fast browser, that's all =) |
| 23:29.45 | x_link | Thanks ALOT for ALL help today guys |
| 23:29.49 | x_link | I really appreciate it. |
| 23:29.50 | x_link | Bye! |
| 23:29.57 | enouf | abrotman: all the merrier tyhen |
| 23:29.57 | Steakk | i tried installing that compiz/beryl/xgl crap ... totalyl hosed my X install, heh |
| 23:30.03 | enouf | x |
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| 23:31.57 | jetscreamer | i tried that script but it couldn't find beryl... but, i did get to see compiz's effects... |
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| 23:32.12 | kantlivelong | anyone her have a recent ipaq? |
| 23:32.17 | Steakk | kantlivelong, I have a 1955 |
| 23:32.22 | Steakk | rx1955 |
| 23:33.16 | kantlivelong | Steakk: are u able to install linux? |
| 23:33.50 | Steakk | kantlivelong, the `friendly` distro that was made for the iPAQ is not compatible with my ipaq yet, but, i have heard many people say they have done a successfull install on other ipaq versions |
| 23:33.56 | EdLin | !u |
| 23:33.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:34.09 | kantlivelong | Steakk: so no linux for new ipaq? |
| 23:34.23 | kantlivelong | Steakk: hx2795 |
| 23:34.25 | Steakk | kantlivelong, go google for it, and check |
| 23:34.29 | abrotman | kantlivelong: ask ##linux |
| 23:35.20 | Steakk | jetscreamer, the one thing I didnt like about beryl/compiz/xgl setup, is that I run a tri-view display, and my 3rd monitor (:0.2) couldnt use the effects as its an older card, therefore that monitor was disabled |
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| 23:35.59 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:35.59 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:36.02 | jetscreamer | !milk blondie |
| 23:36.38 | jetscreamer | why is it pronounced milnk |
| 23:37.49 | blondie | huh? |
| 23:38.07 | jetscreamer | milk looks funny |
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| 23:38.41 | jetscreamer | maybe it's my font |
| 23:39.13 | blondie | o.o |
| 23:39.25 | _villain | what apache2 module under debian is required to make .htaccess files work? |
| 23:39.39 | _villain | cant seem to find anything about it in the apache docs |
| 23:40.05 | _villain | .htaccess: Invalid command 'AuthUserFile', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 23:40.12 | abrotman | mod_auth or mod_access |
| 23:40.40 | czoktav | phex can;t connect to any host.... :/ damn, it used to work.. |
| 23:40.41 | abrotman | _villain: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/ |
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| 23:40.47 | _villain | mod_auth_basic? |
| 23:40.53 | _villain | it was working in apache2.0 |
| 23:40.57 | _villain | stopped working in 2.2 |
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| 23:41.05 | abrotman | check the bts |
| 23:42.44 | _villain | nice, authn_file does the trick |
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| 23:43.26 | sprink | Is there a GTK based tool for viewing the bts? |
| 23:43.34 | sprink | (besides a web browser) |
| 23:43.41 | czoktav | what command i check my ip? |
| 23:43.48 | karsten | sprink: gnome-console ; -) |
| 23:43.55 | karsten | czoktav: ifconfig |
| 23:44.10 | sprink | Bah. I knew I should have been more percise |
| 23:44.32 | jelly | sprink: you were precise enough but people like being stupid. ;-) |
| 23:44.47 | czoktav | karsten: i have to install net-tools first :/ |
| 23:44.55 | sprink | Ouch. |
| 23:44.57 | karsten | sprink: Possibly bug-buddy |
| 23:44.57 | sprink | lol |
| 23:45.06 | karsten | czoktav: Good plan. |
| 23:45.15 | abrotman | karsten: i think that's jut for gnome bugs |
| 23:45.29 | sprink | yeah. it is. And it's for reporting them not viewing them |
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| 23:46.07 | karsten | sprink: OK. Just checking packages. Browser / CLI seem to be the primary methods. |
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| 23:46.48 | abrotman | apt-listbugs ? |
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| 23:47.23 | abrotman | sprink: i think they're working on oen though |
| 23:47.25 | magyar | anyone managed to get fglrx working on sid? I keep getting a blank screen |
| 23:47.54 | karsten | !anybody uses fglrx |
| 23:48.01 | karsten | Feh. |
| 23:48.14 | karsten | magyar: Describe your problem. /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 23:48.21 | jelly | !anyone use fglrx |
| 23:48.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses fglrx, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:48.29 | karsten | !win jelly |
| 23:48.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won the US presidency! |
| 23:48.41 | magyar | karsten: quote "I keep getting a blank screen" |
| 23:49.06 | jelly | omg can I give it to the inventor of the Internets? |
| 23:50.11 | abrotman | jelly: you cannot regift that! |
| 23:50.26 | magyar | your born with that :) |
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| 23:50.39 | liable | magyar: works here |
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| 23:50.53 | blondie | jelly: look what you did! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6035821.stm |
| 23:50.55 | jelly | abrotman: It's a hell of a job. Maybe I'll go attack Iran. |
| 23:50.59 | liable | magyar: though i find i have to keep making symlinks for libGL |
| 23:51.11 | abrotman | jelly: shouldn't you really be attacking canada ? |
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| 23:51.37 | magyar | liable: it works here to, no errors in Xorg.log, but when X starts my 24" LCD goes blank "Stand by" light goes yellow |
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| 23:52.10 | liable | magyar: hrm, did you run the config thingo to edit xorg.conf? |
| 23:52.23 | liable | magyar: they are doing some weird shit to the conf file now |
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| 23:53.05 | liable | magyar: i tried fglrx without running the config thingo, and x didnt like it very much. |
| 23:53.29 | magyar | liable: i ran "aticonfig --inittial" thats alland also made changes to the file as per "man fglrx" |
| 23:53.29 | jelly | abrotman: But I got all those troops already nearby. |
| 23:53.59 | liable | magyar: dunno then. checked the wicki? |
| 23:54.01 | abrotman | jelly: oh .. well then .. heck . why not :) |
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| 23:54.29 | jelly | abrotman: I'll be building the wall to Canada next, to stop the polar bear immigration. |
| 23:54.32 | magyar | liable: you know the wiki site? |
| 23:55.04 | liable | magyar: i dont think i have bookmarked it, but you'll find a link on the rage3d forum |
| 23:55.10 | jelly | abrotman: I wonder if the bears have flappy heads too. |
| 23:55.11 | abrotman | jelly: makes sense .. based on your environmental policies .. there will soon be nowhere for them to live :) |
| 23:55.18 | magyar | liable: thanks |
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