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| 00:00.56 | BrianG | does IceWeasel have its own user agent? or does it identify as Firefox? |
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| 00:01.52 | abrotman | BrianG: best way to find out .. go grab the source .. compile it and find out |
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| 00:01.56 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 00:01.56 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
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| 00:02.31 | BrianG | no way, the best way is to ask someone already running it :) |
| 00:02.43 | abrotman | i don't think anyone is yet .. maybe ask #gnu ? |
| 00:03.24 | BrianG | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:14.03 | olskolirc | how do i apt-get install <package> and satisfy all the dependency problems please? |
| 00:14.34 | dererk | olivierk, it's supposed to be done automatically..... |
| 00:15.17 | dererk | read carefully all the text which is shown, maybe you didn't see some "Is a virtual package" or something like that |
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| 00:16.48 | olskolirc | never mind guys i got it :-) |
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| 00:17.06 | olskolirc | but trust me, i'll be back |
| 00:17.20 | magyar | how can i generate an xorg.cong for debian sid? |
| 00:17.27 | olskolirc | i just got a clean install with 2.6.x kernel and im going to need nvidia help |
| 00:17.34 | dererk | lol |
| 00:17.51 | dererk | magyar, "maybe", dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 00:18.02 | dererk | but dunno why sometimes it doesn't work |
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| 00:27.18 | olskolirc | should i apt-get install 3ddesktop or dpkg -i the deb package i downloaded? which is better for my debian (stable) |
| 00:27.29 | olskolirc | help me out here guys im new |
| 00:27.34 | abrotman | apt-get install |
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| 00:27.49 | olskolirc | thanks abrotman |
| 00:28.53 | olskolirc | when i type 3ddesktop it says command not found |
| 00:29.01 | olskolirc | i seen it install :-( |
| 00:29.53 | liable | olskolirc: look in your menu |
| 00:30.07 | Shadowcat | ahem it's called a path |
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| 00:30.11 | Shadowcat | or lack thereof |
| 00:30.20 | olskolirc | ./etc/3ddesktop /usr/share/3ddesktop |
| 00:30.23 | Shadowcat | not everything makes a symlink in /usr/bin |
| 00:31.00 | olskolirc | i dont have a /bin/3ddesktop :-( where is it? |
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| 00:31.20 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 00:31.27 | liable | updatedb; locate 3ddesktop |
| 00:31.35 | Shadowcat | exactly |
| 00:31.37 | olskolirc | thanks |
| 00:31.39 | xsourcist | 666 user, maybe I should leave again... |
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| 00:32.23 | epsilon | 666? All hail Bill Gates, the lord of darkness! |
| 00:32.57 | olskolirc | if i can get 3ddesktop to work, i'll be in heaven with "second life" |
| 00:33.03 | olskolirc | its like a sims game |
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| 00:33.07 | olskolirc | online game |
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| 00:34.28 | olskolirc | 3ddesktop never installed |
| 00:34.39 | olskolirc | i see it in /etc and /doc and other places no bin file |
| 00:35.39 | orchid | dpkk -L 3ddesktop | grep bin ? |
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| 00:35.52 | olskolirc | ok |
| 00:36.04 | orchid | erm, dpkg |
| 00:36.30 | olskolirc | brb |
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| 00:37.49 | smax | whats the difference between a directory with write permissions and a directory with just plain read permissions ? |
| 00:37.54 | smax | i mean exectue |
| 00:37.56 | smax | not write |
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| 00:38.19 | smax | how do you execute a dir. does that mean to execute the binaries inside it? |
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| 00:38.46 | setuid_w00t | haha, Debian's apache config in Sid mentions Ubuntu |
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| 00:39.20 | smax | setuid_w00t: is ubuntu crappy :P ? |
| 00:39.22 | olskolirc | Attempting to start 3ddesktop server. Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". ddeskd: glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible! 3ddeskd: Please configure hardware acceleration. Exiting. Daemon started. Run 3ddesk to activate. Server not found after waiting 5 seconds. Could not find server. |
| 00:39.42 | olskolirc | I got that when i tried to start 3ddeskd and 3ddesk to start the program |
| 00:39.44 | olskolirc | now what |
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| 00:40.06 | setuid_w00t | smax: No, it just looks like the package was made for ubuntu and ported to debian rather than the other way around |
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| 00:40.34 | liable | olskolirc: you dont seem to have dri enabled. read your x log and see if theres an error related to dri |
| 00:40.37 | olskolirc | how do i configure my video card in debian |
| 00:40.49 | jelly | setuid_w00t: changes from ubuntu are frequently ported back into Debian. |
| 00:40.49 | dvs | !drxx olskolirc |
| 00:40.49 | dpkg | olskolirc: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:40.50 | olskolirc | what is an x log :-( |
| 00:41.08 | liable | olskolirc: system logs are kept in /var/log |
| 00:41.13 | olskolirc | ok |
| 00:41.27 | orchid | smax: it depends on the context, if the dir is +x for user, group, other, apt-get install rutebook, file:///usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/node17.html |
| 00:41.38 | jelly | setuid_w00t: can be seen in some packages' changelogs. |
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| 00:42.26 | setuid_w00t | jelly: ok, well "commented out for ubuntu" should probably not appear in a debian config file |
| 00:42.42 | karsten | Any German types: suggestions for using the 'translate' tool, for an American, _with_ the ability to recognize umlauted, Scharfess, and similar characters? |
| 00:42.52 | smax | rutebook ehh? is this a text file orchid ? |
| 00:43.02 | smax | where will it end up? what dir rather |
| 00:43.03 | kbezon | hi everybody... have someone configured a gprs card (pcmcia, ericsson GC82)? |
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| 00:43.31 | kbezon | I guess that my problem is in "AT command" in the wvdial conf.... |
| 00:43.39 | orchid | smax: it's a linux tutorial, will install into /usr/share/doc/rutebook |
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| 00:43.47 | kbezon | my debian can see it ...but it doesn't work yet |
| 00:43.48 | smax | cool thanx |
| 00:44.27 | jelly | setuid_w00t: why not? IMO it's better if they're kept as close as possible. |
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| 00:45.40 | liable | kbezon: sec, there was a page that i read about those cards, lemme see if i can find it |
| 00:45.53 | liable | kbezon: wvdialconf detects it fine though? |
| 00:46.11 | kbezon | liable: Yep .... |
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| 00:46.34 | karsten | Anyone know if reiserfs is natively accessible / supported on non-Linux systems? Eg: *BSD, Solaris, etc.? |
| 00:46.57 | kbezon | liable: I guess that the problem is in AT commands.... I can see it when i typed "lspcmcia" |
| 00:47.29 | stew | karsten: is linux not corrupting your reiserfs fast enough on its own? (*ducks*) |
| 00:47.37 | karsten | stew: Gee, thanks. |
| 00:47.42 | stew | :P |
| 00:48.15 | kbezon | liable: more info... I modified of ppp, I 've recompiled it .... |
| 00:48.16 | kill4killin | window 3 |
| 00:48.18 | kill4killin | woops |
| 00:48.31 | nevyn | need a / there |
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| 00:48.44 | kill4killin | yea i noticed...im tired |
| 00:51.04 | liable | kbezon: i cant seem to find the article :/ |
| 00:51.09 | karsten | stew: There's a read-only port for FreeBSD. |
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| 00:52.04 | kbezon | liable: ok ok :( ... but if you find it please email me .... kbezon@gmail.com |
| 00:52.14 | kbezon | liable: thanks ! |
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| 00:53.27 | silly_girl22 | hi |
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| 00:55.34 | liable | kbezon: you could also try the linmodems mailing list, they are pretty good with things like AT commands |
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| 00:56.16 | linuxbomb | does apt keep a log of installations? |
| 00:56.18 | kbezon | liable: sounds good... i'll look there.... you are right.... thanks |
| 00:56.31 | abrotman | linuxbomb: which version of Debian ? |
| 00:56.55 | linuxbomb | abrotman: i'll level with ya i'm using ubuntu |
| 00:57.05 | liable | linuxbomb: *cough* use aptitude *cough* |
| 00:57.06 | abrotman | then ask them .. i don't know if they keep a log |
| 00:57.30 | linuxbomb | if there was one where would it be? |
| 00:57.37 | abrotman | in #ubuntu |
| 00:57.37 | liable | /var/log |
| 00:57.49 | linuxbomb | ok |
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| 00:58.11 | liable | you prolly have a dpkg log. but yeah, ask #ubuntu |
| 00:58.20 | linuxbomb | thanks |
| 00:58.21 | stew | linuxbomb: in debian dpkg logs as of 1.13 |
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| 00:58.31 | changenick | how do i make X go back to xfonts-artwiz, this morning's update && upgrade seems to have changed my font |
| 00:58.34 | h3sp4wn | linuxbomb: There definately is not one on dapper (unless you use aptitude) - just switch to etch its much faster / better (or at least use aptitude) |
| 00:59.42 | kill4killin | does the psaux driver not support center scroll wheel? |
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| 01:00.43 | liable | kbezon: should do |
| 01:00.47 | liable | kill4killin: ^^ |
| 01:01.01 | kill4killin | ok, thats the driver im using and im not getting center scroll function |
| 01:01.38 | liable | kill4killin: on a thinkpad i had to put in a zaxismapping line, but its not really a wheel, so i dunno what you need. |
| 01:01.48 | liable | kill4killin: shouldnt be too hard to google up |
| 01:02.10 | kill4killin | yea, i was just checking to see if it was the driver before i started hunting on how to make this one work |
| 01:02.12 | abrotman | kill4killin: you need to configure it |
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| 01:03.32 | kbezon | liable: checking and surfing.... |
| 01:04.12 | kbezon | thanks, regards everybody ... EOF |
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| 01:07.10 | Gnurdux | kill4killin, htats X |
| 01:07.19 | Gnurdux | the psaux is the direct data from the PS2 port |
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| 01:07.34 | Gnurdux | so if your ps2 mouse has a wheel, psaux supports it |
| 01:07.41 | Gnurdux | the issue is your X11 driver |
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| 01:07.45 | kill4killin | i think i found what to do, i found a guide im working on it now |
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| 01:10.47 | kill4killin | ok, i got the scroll wheel to work |
| 01:11.00 | sapochule | Hi, has anyone installed oracle express edition? I am getting a "bc: command not found" error message, I googled it, and it tells me bc is an "arbitrary precision calculator language" |
| 01:11.05 | kill4killin | just had to change the mouse protocol from PS/2 to imps/2 |
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| 01:11.46 | amphi | sapochule: install it |
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| 01:11.57 | sapochule | however I don't think it is this bc oracle wants, is it? |
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| 01:12.06 | amphi | sapochule: bc is most useful |
| 01:12.20 | sapochule | oh ok, I will, it is just that I was short on disk space, and thought about asking first |
| 01:12.23 | sapochule | ok, thanks, will try |
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| 01:12.34 | amphi | sapochule: sounds like bc(1) is what the thing is looking for |
| 01:12.47 | sapochule | what is bc(1) ? |
| 01:12.52 | amphi | sapochule: bc |
| 01:13.02 | sapochule | (: |
| 01:13.19 | amphi | sapochule: the (1) refers to the section of the manual its man page is in |
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| 01:14.26 | sapochule | amphi -> bc - The GNU bc arbitrary precision calculator language -> is this it? |
| 01:14.36 | sapochule | is what apt-cache search bc returns me |
| 01:14.48 | amphi | sapochule: I reckon |
| 01:15.11 | sapochule | ok, cheers |
| 01:15.12 | kill4killin | would xgl work on xfce? |
| 01:15.21 | kill4killin | or is that one of the ones that it wont work on |
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| 01:15.45 | silly_girl22 | does xgl work on all of debian? |
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| 01:16.01 | abrotman | no |
| 01:16.02 | kill4killin | silly_girl22: yea i think it was debian that i had it working on last |
| 01:16.04 | dlynch | does anyone use SNORT in here, I have it setup but no data is being logged?? |
| 01:16.06 | simonrvn | i've had it work.. |
| 01:16.08 | abrotman | no xgl .. |
| 01:16.11 | abrotman | aiglx |
| 01:16.16 | kill4killin | o, that must have been when i was using ubuntu |
| 01:16.37 | simonrvn | yeh, i still had the xgl from ubuntu installed |
| 01:16.40 | silly_girl22 | finally, compiz made it to the testing repos |
| 01:16.45 | silly_girl22 | from sid unstable |
| 01:16.59 | abrotman | no it didn't |
| 01:17.04 | silly_girl22 | just in time to download fedora core release 6 anyways, oh well |
| 01:17.05 | gravity | erm |
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| 01:17.17 | silly_girl22 | abrotman: they are showing in mine and ive got etch |
| 01:17.19 | stew | silly_girl22: compiz won't hit testing for another week at least |
| 01:17.24 | gravity | More |
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| 01:17.26 | abrotman | silly_girl22: apparently you do not |
| 01:17.30 | gravity | It needs another upload to unstable |
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| 01:17.33 | edytt_ | how do i figure out the user / pass for knoppix |
| 01:17.35 | abrotman | silly_girl22: you're not running etch |
| 01:17.41 | sapochule | how can you guys cope with so many distros? I barely can cope with a single one S: |
| 01:17.41 | abrotman | edytt_: ask #knoppix |
| 01:18.01 | kill4killin | sapochule: experimentation is how i do it |
| 01:18.10 | silly_girl22 | okay, nevermind, i installed the unstable packages to etch, and yes, i am running etch |
| 01:18.54 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 01:18.55 | sapochule | kill4killin -> ah ok, I thought it was for everyday use (; |
| 01:18.55 | silly_girl22 | yes, i am |
| 01:18.55 | silly_girl22 | just because of a 5 unstable packages |
| 01:18.55 | silly_girl22 | no |
| 01:18.55 | silly_girl22 | no "a" |
| 01:18.59 | kill4killin | sapochule: no, i have used about...7 different distros, i think i may have finally settled on debian |
| 01:19.07 | twobitsprite | !ping |
| 01:19.07 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:19.12 | kill4killin | lol |
| 01:19.30 | twobitsprite | kill4killin: I've been having strange connection issues |
| 01:19.56 | sapochule | kill4killin -> seems to be the best for me as well, only used slackware ever before, and suits all needs O.o |
| 01:20.09 | twobitsprite | I think timewarner's DNS servers are flaking out, but of course the people on the help desk phone can't even spell DNS |
| 01:20.14 | kill4killin | yea, i liked slackware, but i have fallen in love with apt-get |
| 01:20.22 | liable | edytt_: theres usually a root term option in the menu |
| 01:20.31 | ahlfors | are the amd64 stock kernels compiled with gcc-4.1.1? |
| 01:20.48 | kill4killin | twobitsprite: can you be more specific |
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| 01:20.58 | twobitsprite | ahlfors: I believe the kernel I am running was compiled with 4.0.something |
| 01:21.05 | liable | ahlfors: do you have one installed? |
| 01:21.14 | liable | ahlfors: if so, cat /proc/version |
| 01:21.20 | ahlfors | liable, no I don't have any of them installed. |
| 01:21.22 | twobitsprite | kill4killin: never mind... I'm just ranting... basically Timewarner (cable internet provider) SUCKS |
| 01:21.30 | ahlfors | twobitsprite, is that a recent sid? |
| 01:21.30 | stew | ahlfors: which kernel specifically are you asking about? |
| 01:21.35 | mike4 | I am attempting to setup a canon ip1000 printer,However it is not even listed,Any other driver work? |
| 01:21.40 | twobitsprite | ahlfors: no... Testing, sorry |
| 01:21.46 | stew | ahlfors: Linux version 2.6.17-2-amd64 (Debian 2.6.17-9) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13)) #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 17:49:33 CEST 2006 |
| 01:21.47 | kill4killin | twobitsprite: this is a known issue |
| 01:22.04 | stew | ahlfors: that's not the most recent, claims to be compiled by 4.1.2 |
| 01:22.11 | ahlfors | stew, thanks that helps me. |
| 01:22.16 | twobitsprite | kill4killin: indeed... and I am currently implementing the work-around: switching providers |
| 01:22.34 | ahlfors | FWIW I think debians calls something 4.1.1-19 that the gcc people call 4.1.2 prerelease |
| 01:22.44 | kill4killin | twobitsprite: yes, do you have bellsouth where you are or is that not in your area? |
| 01:22.53 | kill4killin | or comcast for that matter |
| 01:23.11 | twobitsprite | kill4killin: I'm contemplating some DSL providers... as well as Earthlink, another cable provider |
| 01:23.36 | twobitsprite | ahlfors: not sure... |
| 01:23.56 | kill4killin | yea, all i know is to avoid comcast and bellsouth, they work with the nsa |
| 01:24.03 | twobitsprite | kill4killin: ick |
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| 01:24.15 | twobitsprite | kill4killin: I'll have to investigate Earthlink |
| 01:24.32 | ahlfors | How can I find out what options are selected for the debian-amd64 stock kernels? |
| 01:24.35 | kill4killin | i havent heard anything bad |
| 01:24.50 | abrotman | ahlfors: look at the config |
| 01:24.55 | ahlfors | (other than install one and gzip -c -d /proc/config.gz) |
| 01:25.28 | ahlfors | I don't actually have one installed. I'm considering switching to the stock instead of my custom kernel |
| 01:26.16 | twobitsprite | ahlfors: well... if you're that concerned about options, etc, you might not be easy-going enough to accept any kernel that you didn't build yourself anyways... so maybe you should just stick with your custom kernel |
| 01:26.47 | twobitsprite | ahlfors: i.e. anyone meticulous enough to build thier own kernel probably isn't going to agree with anyone else as to what options to enable... |
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| 01:27.02 | ahlfors | twobitsprite, yeah I am leaning that way. I just got screwed though because I have a non-working kernel and can't figure out what option I screwed with that caused the problem. |
| 01:27.24 | twobitsprite | ahlfors: which is what you should keep old config files :P |
| 01:27.48 | sapochule | has anyone managed to install and _run_ oracle on the debian amd64 port? |
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| 01:27.54 | ahlfors | twobitsprite, it's also a new kernel version. So I just recompiled the new version using exactly the old config file |
| 01:28.10 | twobitsprite | ahlfors: ohh... did you `make oldconfig`? |
| 01:28.35 | ahlfors | No, I use menuconfig and have the .config files. |
| 01:28.52 | twobitsprite | hmm |
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| 01:29.28 | twobitsprite | not sure... I haven't built a kernel in several months... and before that it has probably been years... so I will be of limited service to you |
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| 01:29.40 | sparr | Since a recent dist-upgrade I am seeing odd clipboard behavior in X+KDE. In ksirc (a kde-based app) I can type "foobar", shift+left twice. this copies "ar". then i hit ctrl+v and the pasted "ar" overwrites the highlighted "ar". then I shift+left once, to highlight "r", and hit ctrl+v twice. |
| 01:29.40 | sparr | the first paste overwrites the selected "r" with "ar" from the clipboard, the second paste pastes only "r" which is now on the clipboard despite "ar" being pasted AFTER i highlighted "r". In mozilla firefox (gtk+) the keyboardselect=copy behavior remains, but the mysterious clipboard content swapping is gone. help? |
| 01:30.04 | ahlfors | Okay, new kernel version with old config is still borked. So something happened to the kernel between 2.6.14 and 2.6.18 that messed it up for me! |
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| 01:31.25 | twobitsprite | ahlfors: sorry... I have had 5 too many beers tonight, and I'm not extremely confident with my kernal knowledge anyways... so, good luck :) |
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| 01:34.54 | abrotman | hey .. they flushed the new queue |
| 01:36.00 | mirk | is there a debian equivalent to the /etc/init.d/iptables fedora script? |
| 01:36.25 | mirk | ...or perhaps, what's the debian-esque way of setting up firewall rules? |
| 01:36.26 | asg | mirk: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian* |
| 01:36.32 | k-man_ | when i run apt-get update, i get this error .... E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 01:36.41 | asg | k-man_: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 01:37.25 | mirk | thx asg |
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| 01:40.20 | k-man_ | asg, ah, that fixed it |
| 01:40.21 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 01:40.28 | k-man_ | but why did it happen? |
| 01:40.36 | dendrite | k-man_: Too many sources. |
| 01:40.39 | k-man_ | apt-get used to work then all of a sudden it stopped working |
| 01:40.41 | k-man_ | oh, i see |
| 01:43.38 | ahlfors | Doh, my old kernel configuration didn't have magic sysrq enabled. This makes debugging a md driver freeze much harder |
| 01:44.46 | asg | k-man_: you had too many sources in your sources.list |
| 01:46.39 | ahlfors | Anyone know why amd64 sid doesn't have a linux-source-2.6.17 package? |
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| 01:47.50 | stew | ahlfors: becuase the kernel team is pushing to get .18 into etch |
| 01:48.31 | ahlfors | stew, ok great. But some kernel patch between 2.6.14 and 2.6.18 screwed me, so I wanted to trace it back one version at a time |
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| 01:49.45 | OptimusPrime | bz2, what app to uncompress with |
| 01:50.07 | ahlfors | Actually that really sucks, I can't compile a debian-patched 2.6.17 kernel for amd64 sid |
| 01:50.17 | userdefined | OptimusPrime: bunzip2 |
| 01:51.19 | userdefined | (or `tar jxf` if it's a bzipped tarball) |
| 01:51.29 | stew | ahlfors: you can still get 2.6.17 from testing (or from http://packages.debian.org/linux-source-2.7.17) and the others from snapshot.debian.net |
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| 01:52.47 | fs-a | hello, is it easy to boot into a chroot dir of a main installation? |
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| 01:54.10 | Azar | :) hi honorables |
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| 01:54.13 | ahlfors | stew, thanks. If 2.6.16 works, then I'll do exactly that. |
| 01:54.47 | Azar | I did an aptitude upgrade and it messed up all my x-windows , did I lost all my settings with all security updates? |
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| 01:55.48 | Azar | how do I remove the login screen? |
| 01:56.02 | stew | ahlfors: note that 2.6.16 has security vulerabilities |
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| 01:56.34 | Azar | stew, dpkg is not working for me, how do I remove the login screen? |
| 01:56.38 | beardy | Azar: Uninstall the display manager, if that is what you mean. |
| 01:56.41 | ahlfors | stew, really, of what sort? This is a file server running behind a firewall |
| 01:57.02 | liable | Azar: the login screen? you mean a dm? |
| 01:57.07 | stew | desus: tell Azar about nodm |
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| 01:57.11 | stew | woah |
| 01:57.13 | stew | dpkg: tell Azar about nodm |
| 01:57.13 | Azar | beardy when I do aptitude remove xdm, it removes the x-window as well |
| 01:57.23 | Azar | :) thanks |
| 01:57.43 | liable | prolly just the meta package |
| 01:57.55 | aeronadix | Azar, that is very strange |
| 01:58.21 | stew | ahlfors: i don't recall, but debian machines were rooted becuase of it |
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| 01:58.59 | liable | only <.24 iirc |
| 01:59.04 | ahlfors | hmm. No ports on my NAT router are directed to this machine, so they'd need to root another machine with 2.6.18 first. |
| 01:59.20 | stew | Azar: yes, x-window-system dependson xdm, but x-window-system doesn't provide any functionality, its just a metapackage |
| 01:59.23 | Azar | aeronadix: I just did the latest upgrades (40 packages) and I have a feeling that all my X settings are gone |
| 01:59.35 | Azar | stew ah, good to know |
| 01:59.44 | Azar | xdm came with the latest upgrades |
| 01:59.48 | Azar | it was removed before |
| 01:59.53 | liable | Azar: sarge is this? |
| 01:59.59 | Azar | sure, sarge |
| 02:00.42 | Azar | I will see if my openbox is still there as my all background wallpaper and all. |
| 02:01.16 | stew | there was an xfree upload recently? |
| 02:01.46 | abrotman | for sarge .. DSA a few days ago |
| 02:02.00 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1193 |
| 02:02.10 | ahlfors | stew, thanks for the warning about 2.6.16 anyway. |
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| 02:02.56 | ahlfors | Is there an easy way to get an automated list of all patches to the linux kernel between version X and Y what include the words "raid6" or "sx8"? |
| 02:04.14 | phogg | ahlfors: can probably be done with git command line tools... |
| 02:05.26 | Azar | stew, hmm, it warns me that the following will also be removed: lbproxy menu proxymgr x-windows-system-core xserver-xfree86 xterm xvfb ? |
| 02:07.37 | stew | Azar: oh, aptitude is removing automatically installed packages. "aptitude remove xdm x-window-system-core+" or use the aptitude frontend |
| 02:07.54 | ahlfors | phogg, I figured. But actually doing it is another thing! |
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| 02:09.28 | ahlfors | stew, do you know if 2.6.15 is also a "bad apple" kernel? |
| 02:09.47 | abrotman | wtf did you do to your kernel ? |
| 02:10.14 | stew | ahlfors: anything before 2.6.17 afaik, |
| 02:10.52 | ahlfors | abrotman, somewhere between 2.6.14 and 2.6.16 a patch made it impossible for me a build a new RAID with my sx8 card. I'm trying to figure out where/when it happened |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | kerneltrap.org had changelogs for a while |
| 02:11.36 | ahlfors | Nm about 2.6.15, its source is not in amd64 sid either! |
| 02:12.16 | stew | ahlfors: 2.6.18 is the only kernel source in sid |
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| 02:12.58 | Azar | :) thanks alot for the help |
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| 02:13.42 | ahlfors | stew, huh, look at that. But I already had a few other source versions sitting around, that's why I didn't notice. |
| 02:15.00 | Azar | it might sound silly but I got a way better image rendering with these new upgrades |
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| 02:17.34 | ahlfors | hey, why doesn't 2.6.14 have a magic sysrq key option? |
| 02:19.46 | _Gnea_ | ahlfors: that's a configuration option |
| 02:19.59 | OptimusPrime | what file browser can i get that allows for drag drop and copy pasting of folders |
| 02:20.36 | sparr | konqueror |
| 02:20.38 | phogg | OptimusPrime: thunar, konqueror, nautilus, etc., etc. |
| 02:20.41 | sparr | nautilus |
| 02:20.53 | OptimusPrime | that i can get from apt-get |
| 02:20.58 | phogg | probably most/all of the NC-style ones, too |
| 02:21.13 | OptimusPrime | that doesnt draw a new desktop |
| 02:21.19 | OptimusPrime | (ie: nautilus) |
| 02:21.34 | sparr | draw a new desktop? |
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| 02:21.51 | OptimusPrime | yeah, nautilus makes a new desktop and takes over my right clicks |
| 02:21.56 | phogg | OptimusPrime: nautilus doesn't have to be the desktop too |
| 02:22.00 | sparr | almost any gui ftp client will function as a file browser with folder drag+drop |
| 02:22.30 | OptimusPrime | apt-cache search thunar |
| 02:22.31 | phogg | OptimusPrime: alias nautilus='nautilus --no-desktop' |
| 02:22.59 | xored | do i need to load/compile x11-drm to use direct rendering with the fglrx drivers of ATI ? |
| 02:23.07 | OptimusPrime | mmkay. ill try that, thanks phogg !! |
| 02:23.18 | phogg | OptimusPrime: see also gnome-commande, krusader, others |
| 02:23.33 | phogg | er, mean gnome-commander |
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| 02:24.24 | phogg | and of course rox-filer |
| 02:24.26 | ahlfors | So whatever patch is causing my md/raid problem happened between kernels 2.6.14 and 2.6.16. I'm thinking of just sticking with 2.6.14, but this means I'll never be able to upgrade. Tough choice, huh? |
| 02:24.44 | phogg | ahlfors: definitely worth tracking down. |
| 02:24.44 | kill4killin | How do i access shared files on my network in linux? I want to see if i can play the music on my windows box through xmms here on this machine |
| 02:24.56 | phogg | kill4killin: smbmount |
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| 02:25.24 | kill4killin | phogg: is that a samba command? |
| 02:25.34 | OptimusPrime | phogg that was flawless, thanks much :D |
| 02:25.44 | phogg | kill4killin: basically, you use smbmount to mount windows SMB shares on local directories as usual |
| 02:25.51 | ahlfors | phogg, I've never posted to LKML, will I be eaten alive? Will they need me to compile a million more test kernels and risk my RAID integrity? |
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| 02:25.59 | kill4killin | is there a way to access it without getting samba? |
| 02:26.07 | phogg | kill4killin: not sure what you mean, samba command? It's in the smbfs package |
| 02:26.19 | Pr0nStrGeek | mount.cifs works pretty well, kill... |
| 02:26.23 | Pr0nStrGeek | and doesn't require smb... |
| 02:26.32 | Pr0nStrGeek | i've seen it more stable than smbfs... |
| 02:26.35 | phogg | ahlfors: don't risk your raid, whatever you do. |
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| 02:26.52 | kill4killin | phogg: i think i should rephrase my question. What do i need to get in order to access my shared windows files, then how do i do it |
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| 02:28.35 | mhall | kill4killin: ok this isn't very tough |
| 02:28.52 | kill4killin | mhall: then do explain if you don't mind |
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| 02:29.33 | mhall | kill4killin: mount -t cifs -o 'username=windowsuser' -o uid=unixuser,gid=unixgroup //windowsdnsorip/C$ /unixpath |
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| 02:30.21 | Pr0nStrGeek | you can also use 4 octal permissions (i.e. 0755 as opposed to 755) and set dir_mode and file_mode after the -o |
| 02:30.28 | mhall | kill4killin: make sure you have smbfs package |
| 02:30.38 | kill4killin | i can apt-get that |
| 02:30.42 | mhall | kill4killin: yes you can |
| 02:30.58 | Pr0nStrGeek | you can also dump the mount into /etc/fstab... and they'll mount at boot... |
| 02:31.13 | mhall | Pr0nStrGeek: though i have had that act a bit funky in the past |
| 02:31.28 | Pr0nStrGeek | which part? the file permissions? or the fstab? |
| 02:31.33 | mhall | kill4killin: also to mount windows's default $ shares you need to enable smb on the firewall and use an admin user |
| 02:31.35 | liable | hrm, networking isnt up when mountall is run |
| 02:31.41 | mhall | Pr0nStrGeek: the fstab |
| 02:31.43 | liable | i had that problem myself |
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| 02:31.51 | mhall | Pr0nStrGeek: somehow it fucked up for me |
| 02:32.12 | mhall | i just cache the command in my HUGE shell history |
| 02:32.29 | mhall | so i didn't really investigate why, but liable's explanation seems to explain my symptoms pretty well |
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| 02:32.35 | Pr0nStrGeek | i guess, most recently, i've run it on RHEL4 instead of debian... perhaps redhat's less than sane environment starts things up in a different order... it hasn't given me any trouble... |
| 02:32.50 | mhall | my nix box fucks up so rarely i almost never need the mount command |
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| 02:33.09 | mhall | also the CIFS and SMB driver are smart enough to re-establish the connection if i reboot windows |
| 02:33.20 | mhall | as long as i don't have any FS activity going on during reboot |
| 02:33.27 | mhall | which i don't because i'm not a moron :-D |
| 02:33.35 | abrotman | eh? |
| 02:34.00 | abrotman | sneakernet! |
| 02:34.21 | Pr0nStrGeek | samba is one of those things that is greek until you get a grasp on it... and then all at once, one day it makes sense and you kick yourself for not having understood it sooner |
| 02:34.27 | mhall | phogg: that's the best answer |
| 02:34.37 | mhall | phogg: the other protocols besides CIFS are all broken |
| 02:34.51 | nevyn | phogg: define simple |
| 02:35.01 | nevyn | nfs ir simpler than samba |
| 02:35.03 | phogg | This I know. The next best thing is shfs, which does not perform nicely |
| 02:35.04 | mhall | the problem is, samba got one critical factor right |
| 02:35.10 | mhall | nevyn: until you try to secure it |
| 02:35.12 | ahlfors | phogg, I'm willing to risk the raid before I put any data on it, but absolutely not after |
| 02:35.21 | phogg | nevyn: not for *simple* end user sharing stuff |
| 02:35.33 | mhall | the critical factor right in Samba is the single-user-per-share model |
| 02:35.42 | mhall | so that you can grant share-based and user-based access |
| 02:35.45 | liable | what about sshfs? |
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| 02:35.47 | mhall | in NFS this is impossible |
| 02:36.01 | phogg | liable: same idea as shfs, different implementation |
| 02:36.03 | mhall | liable: ssh is fucking fucked up and slower than a fucking motherfucker |
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| 02:36.32 | liable | mhall: a couple more expletives would have rounded off that sentence nicely |
| 02:36.42 | Skiver | hello, how do i check if my swap partition is mounted ? |
| 02:36.52 | Skiver | or enabled. |
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| 02:37.09 | ibug | hi |
| 02:37.23 | mhall | liable: far be it from me to take the edges off anything i say |
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| 02:37.34 | Code-E | What is this net install disc |
| 02:37.47 | abrotman | !d-i Code-E |
| 02:37.48 | dpkg | Code-E, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:38.09 | Code-E | I just wanna know what the net install disc is |
| 02:38.14 | Code-E | does it install over the internet? |
| 02:38.29 | Pr0nStrGeek | code-e... yes... |
| 02:38.34 | Code-E | oh :( |
| 02:38.38 | Code-E | darn |
| 02:38.50 | Pr0nStrGeek | it boots some basic functions and then lets you apt-get everything else from apt repos... |
| 02:39.16 | Code-E | So basically |
| 02:39.19 | Code-E | apt-get install gnome |
| 02:39.24 | Code-E | then apt-get install firefox? |
| 02:39.36 | Pr0nStrGeek | eh... it's a little more intuitive than that... |
| 02:39.46 | Pr0nStrGeek | on the front end... |
| 02:39.51 | kill4killin | Code-E: that does not work |
| 02:40.02 | Pr0nStrGeek | you select groups of packages... you've still got dselect and stuff on the netinst disc... |
| 02:40.03 | kill4killin | apt-get install firefox that is |
| 02:40.17 | Pr0nStrGeek | but it downloads only what you tell it to install] |
| 02:40.19 | ahlfors | Code-E, At lest yor conectio is't dropng chactes |
| 02:40.23 | Pr0nStrGeek | rather than all of the discs... |
| 02:40.34 | Code-E | What would it be for firefox then? |
| 02:40.51 | ibug | How can i add new charactor set on Links ? |
| 02:41.16 | kill4killin | Code-E: i dont know, i have been trying to figure that out myself |
| 02:41.28 | mhall | ahlfors: wtf? |
| 02:41.31 | Code-E | Wierd |
| 02:41.54 | kill4killin | mhal could you please clarify or try to clarify the code you gave me |
| 02:42.00 | ahlfors | mhall, just a stupid joke |
| 02:42.02 | abrotman | Code-E: you can do more than one on a single line |
| 02:42.04 | mhall | ahlfors: lol |
| 02:42.11 | mhall | kill4killin: what part bothers you |
| 02:42.29 | kill4killin | mhall: //windowsdnsorip/C$ |
| 02:42.31 | ahlfors | about as funny as the old "Warning: Power failure detec |
| 02:42.34 | mhall | kill4killin: ah gotcha |
| 02:42.37 | kill4killin | and //unixpath |
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| 02:42.46 | kill4killin | i need to put specific info there dont i |
| 02:42.49 | mhall | kill4killin: you know how shares look in windows \\system\sharename |
| 02:43.00 | mhall | kill4killin: well if you use '\' in unix the shell gets confused |
| 02:43.03 | orchid | Skiver: /sbin/swapon -s /dev/XXXX where XXXX is wherever your fstab mounts your swap |
| 02:43.07 | Code-E | oh kill4killin: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 02:43.13 | mhall | kill4killin: so they let you name the shares with //system/sharename instead |
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| 02:43.25 | mhall | kill4killin: now. the C$ part. |
| 02:43.35 | Pr0nStrGeek | c$ = the admin share of the C drive in windows |
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| 02:43.39 | mhall | kill4killin: on windows they have default drive shares which are always on called admin shares |
| 02:43.40 | kill4killin | mhall: ok, so i need ti fill it out with the //ip/sharepath |
| 02:43.41 | Pr0nStrGeek | it's a hidden default share... |
| 02:43.47 | mhall | kill4killin: exactly there you go. //ip/sharepath |
| 02:43.48 | orchid | Skiver: or lookin /proc/swaps |
| 02:43.57 | mhall | kill4killin: then the unixpath part |
| 02:44.08 | mhall | kill4killin: what that means is, say where you want it to show up on your nix box |
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| 02:44.21 | mhall | kill4killin: i just made a dir /windows so i wouldn't have to type as much |
| 02:44.29 | mhall | kill4killin: but you can decide where you want it to go |
| 02:44.40 | kill4killin | ok |
| 02:45.03 | mhall | liable: in theory maybe we'd better report the mountall bug, i think that could fuck up more than just SMB / CIFS if it's still a bug nowadays |
| 02:45.07 | Pr0nStrGeek | yeah... someone at work the other day made me create a mount like 7 directories deep... |
| 02:45.14 | kill4killin | i like /windows actually, but ill figure it out |
| 02:45.18 | kill4killin | thank you |
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| 02:45.21 | Pr0nStrGeek | i am still irritated... |
| 02:45.24 | kill4killin | mhall: is the C$ necessary? |
| 02:45.32 | nevyn | I wish samba had a templating system for shares |
| 02:45.33 | Pr0nStrGeek | only if you want to mount the entire C drive, kill... |
| 02:45.33 | mhall | kill4killin: yeah for smb you have to have a share name |
| 02:45.41 | freearly | hello,everyone |
| 02:45.50 | mhall | kill4killin: you can make other shares, but it's mandatory you specify some share, if not C$ then foobar maybe |
| 02:45.51 | liable | mhall: i think i just brought forward the networking script in the end. this was a while ago though, and i dont have any windows boxen on the network now |
| 02:45.54 | Code-E | !? |
| 02:45.55 | Code-E | ?! |
| 02:45.59 | Pr0nStrGeek | it doesn't have to be that share... but it has to be a share... not a directory within a share... |
| 02:46.02 | mhall | liable: hmm i'll have to poke around |
| 02:46.06 | nevyn | so you could have a stanza like home.. with say a group replacing the share name frce group etc |
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| 02:46.22 | kill4killin | mhall: ok, im still confused about C$, can we take this to private chat? |
| 02:46.27 | mhall | kill4killin: sure |
| 02:46.31 | kill4killin | so we dont spam up this place |
| 02:46.36 | mhall | kill4killin: but it's still on topic i think |
| 02:47.00 | kill4killin | i know, i just dont like spamming up this main chat with my idiocy |
| 02:47.21 | mhall | kill4killin: k cool |
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| 02:50.00 | Skiver | orchid : thanks, i saw it. is there any setting i can tweak so that the system actually use it instead of overloading my physical memory ? |
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| 02:51.08 | orchid | Skiver: does /etc/fstab have a swap entry? |
| 02:51.27 | orchid | Skiver: swapon -a should do it if thats the case |
| 02:51.45 | Skiver | orchid : my system gets awfully slow after some period...when I see in ksysguard, the swap usage is 0, and my physical memory is fully utilized. |
| 02:51.58 | Pr0nStrGeek | skiver... swap runs much more slowly than physical ram... |
| 02:52.05 | Skiver | orchid : hold on.. |
| 02:52.13 | Pr0nStrGeek | swapping slows your system down more than consuming all your physical ram... |
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| 02:53.10 | Skiver | orchid : there's an entry in fstab for swap. |
| 02:53.35 | orchid | Skiver: how much RAM do you have? |
| 02:54.04 | Skiver | orchid : 2 pieces of 512 DDR PC400. |
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| 02:54.30 | Malawar | is there any way to flush the dns cache? |
| 02:54.36 | orchid | Skiver: it's normal to see most of your memory in use btw |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | Malawar: server or client ? |
| 02:54.56 | Malawar | client |
| 02:54.58 | Skiver | Pr0nStrGeek, orchid : or is there a way for me check which process consumes the most memory ?? |
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| 02:55.13 | orchid | Skiver: top, or free -tom |
| 02:55.32 | Pr0nStrGeek | top |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | Malawar: dunno if restarting networking would do it or not |
| 02:55.45 | Pr0nStrGeek | oops... little late on that one... |
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| 02:57.06 | Malawar | of course, restarting networking is probably not a wise thing to do on a remote server :/ |
| 02:57.22 | abrotman | Malagmyr: eh .. why not? :) |
| 02:58.03 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:58.26 | orchid | Skiver: recent ML thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/10/msg00808.html |
| 02:58.34 | Malawar | can't believe there's no way to clear the dns cache :/ |
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| 02:58.37 | Malawar | even windows can do that :P |
| 02:58.59 | abrotman | restarting networking a remote has worked for me many times in the past |
| 02:59.05 | Fyre | does anyone know what architecture toshiba laptops are running? |
| 02:59.16 | abrotman | x86 ? |
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| 02:59.23 | Pr0nStrGeek | Malawar: /etc/rc.d/init.d/nscd restart |
| 02:59.26 | sparr | almost certainly |
| 02:59.31 | abrotman | Pr0nStrGeek: that's for servers |
| 02:59.41 | abrotman | Pr0nStrGeek: and there's no rc.d in debian |
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| 03:00.14 | Pr0nStrGeek | hmmm... shit... |
| 03:00.19 | Fyre | when trying to boot with the debian netinstall disc it boots then half way through goes to a blank screen.. |
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| 03:00.48 | kb3ien_ | i am seeking documentation to install x11 source on a debian machine, i need to compile my input device drivers to use x. |
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| 03:01.11 | gravity | kb3ien_: What version of X in debian? |
| 03:01.18 | Pr0nStrGeek | then /etc/init.d/nscd restart |
| 03:01.49 | abrotman | Pr0nStrGeek: still only for servers |
| 03:02.03 | gravity | kb3ien_: And what input driver do you need? |
| 03:02.15 | gravity | kb3ien_: Ideally it'll be provided for you. If not, that should be filed as a bug |
| 03:02.34 | gravity | Not that we've gotten all the drivers in... but you know |
| 03:02.38 | abrotman | or it's a freak device with non-free drivers :) |
| 03:02.51 | gravity | That too |
| 03:03.19 | kb3ien_ | magictouch http://www.magictouch.com/support_usb_xd.html |
| 03:03.38 | kb3ien_ | damn, im nolonger registered. |
| 03:03.52 | abrotman | a touch screen ? |
| 03:03.54 | gravity | kb3ien_: packages.debian.org/xserver-xorg-input-magictouch |
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| 03:04.43 | abrotman | see .. gravity has the magic touch! |
| 03:04.45 | gravity | kb3ien_: So it's already available if you have etch |
| 03:04.47 | gravity | or sid |
| 03:04.50 | gravity | As for sarge... one second |
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| 03:06.13 | kb3ien_ | not sure how to go about installing that. |
| 03:06.21 | gravity | kb3ien_: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 03:06.37 | kb3ien_ | 5.1 most recent relase. |
| 03:06.41 | gravity | 3.1 |
| 03:06.43 | gravity | Ok... |
| 03:06.53 | gravity | So that doesn't ship with support for your hardware. The next release will. |
| 03:06.57 | gravity | As for what you can do now... |
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| 03:07.12 | kb3ien_ | i cannot /msg busy messing with nickserv, sorry for that. |
| 03:07.29 | gravity | You shouldn't /msg anyway. Read /topic |
| 03:07.31 | gravity | Ayway... |
| 03:08.02 | kb3ien_ | been 10 years since i was a regular on IRC. feel like the old guy at the disco.... |
| 03:08.04 | gravity | If you have instructions on how to build the magictouch driver using the xfree86 monolith, you can get the source. It's not a trivial task though. |
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| 03:08.26 | gravity | You can also move to etch, which is a development version |
| 03:08.43 | gravity | That'll let you just install the driver, but you risk parts of your system being less stable |
| 03:08.48 | kb3ien_ | i wanted to ensure i got the same code, that my system was built with. but im not used to binary driven oses. |
| 03:08.55 | freearly | Do you use orkut |
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| 03:09.42 | kb3ien_ | whats the recomended first-attempt aproach? |
| 03:10.05 | kb3ien_ | i can experiement with it and verify stability. |
| 03:10.16 | gravity | To be honest, I'd move to etch |
| 03:10.36 | gravity | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change instances of "stable" or "sarge" to "etch" |
| 03:10.44 | kb3ien_ | okay, i'll try that, if its not going to take too long, have a slow proc. |
| 03:10.50 | gravity | Then, as root, run aptitude update |
| 03:11.21 | gravity | Then use aptitude to actually upgrade your packages. If all goes well, use aptitude to install xserver-xorg-input-magictouch, which won't be installed by default |
| 03:11.22 | kb3ien_ | in all cases? |
| 03:11.28 | gravity | all cases? |
| 03:11.33 | gravity | Oh, yes |
| 03:11.42 | grendelson | I am trying to upgrade (deb testing ) and keep getting installfailures on python-uno. I got these script errors before (running python2.4) for that package I had to completely remove it from var/packages I think -- ANy other ideas? |
| 03:11.42 | Fyre | does anyone know when trying to boot with the netinstall cd on my laptop it goes through the booting process then half way through it goes to a blank screen? |
| 03:11.56 | gravity | kb3ien_: Some of those url's may possibly fail, but you can comment them out |
| 03:12.25 | grendelson | So openoffice.org wont upgrade since it depends on the newer version of python-uno - which I can't seem to install... |
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| 03:12.39 | kb3ien_ | leave 'main' alone. |
| 03:12.40 | kb3ien_ | ? |
| 03:13.10 | kb3ien_ | done. |
| 03:14.06 | kb3ien_ | running `aptitude update` looks like this might take a few moments. |
| 03:14.06 | gravity | Anyway, I've got to go |
| 03:14.09 | gravity | Good luck! |
| 03:14.15 | kb3ien_ | ok. what should i try to do next? |
| 03:14.16 | gravity | kb3ien_: Others should be able to help you out here |
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| 03:14.56 | yanmorin | yeah, I found it, it's $! (lastest argument of the previous line)... |
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| 03:16.26 | k-man_ | can anyone recommend a good bug tracking system (web based one) |
| 03:16.27 | k-man_ | ? |
| 03:17.55 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4017 <-- can you please see what might be casuing script install error on debian testing? |
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| 03:18.54 | Rusty1 | k-man not sure what you're after - perhaps trac |
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| 03:19.28 | pickcoder | grendelson: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'remove_byte_code' |
| 03:19.33 | grendelson | subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 03:19.50 | grendelson | All I did was regular aptitude update , upgrade |
| 03:20.03 | k-man_ | im after something web based that may also have some email integration, for managing a web project which has some fairly complex front end and backend and database issues |
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| 03:20.06 | grendelson | It's failing to install python-uno _2.0.4~rc3-1_i386.deb |
| 03:20.10 | pickcoder | grendelson: File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 682, in remove [looks like a bug] |
| 03:21.24 | grendelson | pickcoder, This is not the first time i've pre or post install script errors. I assumed it's becasue I am using python 2.4? |
| 03:21.29 | coredata | Hello |
| 03:21.35 | Rusty1 | kman http://trac.edgewall.org/, see what you think |
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| 03:21.55 | pickcoder | grendelson: I dunno. Reading the error trace shows it's a code bug in pycentral |
| 03:22.01 | grendelson | Perhaps changing link to point to python 2.3 then installing python-unom then changing link back then finishing install? seems odd. |
| 03:22.56 | kb3ien | how can i, now i have changed apt/sources.list to etch and run `aptitude update` get my magictouch running? |
| 03:22.58 | coredata | out of interest |
| 03:23.02 | Remorse_ | dunno |
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| 03:25.09 | kb3ien | or alternatively download the sources for xorg |
| 03:25.20 | k-man_ | is mantis any good as an issue tracker? |
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| 03:29.14 | Malawar | I prefer trac :P |
| 03:30.11 | k-man_ | whats good about trac? |
| 03:30.33 | kb3ien | woah, it wants to uninstall xterm to install this thing? |
| 03:30.44 | k-man_ | ah, i think they use trac for mythtv |
| 03:31.07 | kb3ien | is this etch thing a good idea? |
| 03:31.29 | Malawar | trac integrates into svn fairly well. |
| 03:31.31 | Malawar | and is written in python |
| 03:31.34 | Malawar | :) |
| 03:31.45 | kill4killin | mhall, you there? |
| 03:32.39 | epsilon | under what license is the tux picture? |
| 03:33.04 | simonrvn | gpl iirc; see the site |
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| 03:34.48 | liable | it would be kinda ironic if it wasnt. |
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| 03:35.01 | simonrvn | hehe yeh :) |
| 03:35.14 | kb3ien | anyone else using etch at this time? |
| 03:35.20 | epsilon | kinda |
| 03:35.22 | simonrvn | a lot of people are |
| 03:35.30 | epsilon | in dbootstrap |
| 03:35.51 | kb3ien | i have my reservations about upgrading to etch, as it wants to uninstall nearly everything, but i need the magictouch drivers. |
| 03:35.55 | simonrvn | epsilon: do you mean a chroot? |
| 03:36.05 | epsilon | simonrvn: yes |
| 03:36.08 | simonrvn | kb3ien: use aptitude's ui |
| 03:36.35 | simonrvn | and please don't /msg people without asking first |
| 03:36.39 | kill4killin | ok, since mhall seems to have disappeared, can someone tell me how to access an smbfs now that i have it mounted |
| 03:36.58 | liable | kill4killin: just go to the dir its mounted on |
| 03:37.07 | simonrvn | ls? :) |
| 03:37.13 | kb3ien | simonrvn what ui? |
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| 03:37.21 | liable | hah |
| 03:37.30 | simonrvn | the ncurses ui .. |
| 03:37.31 | kill4killin | liable: see thats the thing, i dont know where that is |
| 03:37.36 | liable | kb3ien: the curses one :) |
| 03:37.52 | kb3ien | ncurses does a real number on my ttyS |
| 03:38.03 | liable | kill4killin: um, you should, its in the mount command :) |
| 03:38.09 | kb3ien | okay its running. sorta |
| 03:38.42 | kb3ien | i want to install the xserver-xorg-input-magictouch package, but apt-get wanted to uninstall nearly everything. |
| 03:39.19 | simonrvn | you'll have to figure out what it's doing in order to save you some pain |
| 03:39.30 | liable | i dont suppose theres any release notes for etch yet? |
| 03:39.38 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 03:40.14 | liable | kill4killin: what was your mount command? |
| 03:40.14 | kb3ien | sorry about the msg thin, seems that the colour coding indicates that a line began with my handle, not a private channel. i still had a monochrom monitor last time i was an irc frequenter. |
| 03:40.33 | kill4killin | its up a little ways posted by mhall; hang on ill get it for you |
| 03:40.37 | kill4killin | o, nevermind, hes back |
| 03:41.04 | mhall | mount -t smbfs -o 'username=sysadmin' -o uid=crypto,gid=crypto //172.xx.x.xxx/C$ /windows |
| 03:42.14 | liable | kill4killin: why cant you? |
| 03:42.30 | kill4killin | i dont know, whenever i try to it doesnt transfer over |
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| 03:42.50 | kb3ien | i dont know what to make of the ui for `aptitude`, i cursor down to x11 and press return and i get another menu that looks just like the first. |
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| 03:45.16 | liable | bleh, my network connection has decided to go flaky in the last week |
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| 03:47.36 | kb3ien | how do i access the 'search' menu ? |
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| 03:48.15 | simonrvn | / |
| 03:48.34 | kb3ien | woo |
| 03:49.08 | mhall | liable: freenode hasn't worked so good for me lately |
| 03:49.13 | simonrvn | just like in vim, less, and a number of other apps |
| 03:49.40 | simonrvn | !tell kb3ien about grounding |
| 03:49.48 | liable | mhall: ya, but my radio stream has been cutting out, so its my problem, not freenode this time :) |
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| 03:50.50 | mhall | liable: ya i was just sharing my pain =) |
| 03:51.06 | liable | i really must the effort to learn the aptitude ui one day, instead of just using it on the cli |
| 03:51.11 | liable | mhall: heh |
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| 03:51.33 | danieldg | liable: it's not like it's a difficult UI :) |
| 03:51.34 | kb3ien | my cablemodem in new york has been flakey as anything this last week. went offline for 30 minutes tonight. |
| 03:52.08 | kb3ien | its not very adept with a serial port IMHO, but i've never used it anywhere else. |
| 03:52.20 | kb3ien | i used debian on the macppc for a while 3 years ago. |
| 03:52.41 | kb3ien | but i think i used apt-get mostly. and built most otherthings from src. |
| 03:53.05 | kb3ien | never used X with debian before. |
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| 03:59.54 | sanmarcos | I have an extra ext3 hd. how can I mount it so that all users can rw |
| 03:59.55 | sanmarcos | I have defaults,rw,errors=remount-ro, but it wont work |
| 04:03.08 | udos | anyone have an example that can translate a syslog "month-day-time" to the corresponding unix ticks? |
| 04:03.59 | sanmarcos | udos: man date |
| 04:05.14 | ahlfors | How can I make a bootable flash disk for a sid install (i386)? |
| 04:05.42 | mhall | kb3ien: cable modem with a SERIAL port? |
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| 04:07.36 | liable | ahlfors: just use the etch installer and upgrade |
| 04:07.55 | ahlfors | liable, okay, how do I make a bootable usb stick with the etch installer? |
| 04:08.11 | liable | ahlfors: its covered in the install guide |
| 04:08.28 | liable | !ig |
| 04:08.29 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 04:08.49 | ahlfors | liable, oh oops |
| 04:08.55 | liable | well, thats obviously not the right one. |
| 04:09.15 | liable | ahlfors: its on debian.org somewhere |
| 04:11.44 | kill4killin | ok, can anyone help me figure out why when i go to my /windows drive with smbfs and i ls the drive it says "ls: Stale NFS file handle" |
| 04:11.53 | Rusty1 | ahlfors: maybe a look at dsl would be worthwhile |
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| 04:12.59 | ahlfors | I just want to, as quickly as possible, try the same stuff that caused problems under i386 instead of AMD64 to establish whether the kernel bug is AMD64-specific |
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| 04:14.10 | enouf | sanmarcos: don't use the option 'defaults' and do instead use 'users' - see man mount |
| 04:14.26 | sanmarcos | enouf: thank you brother, thank you |
| 04:14.30 | ahlfors | liable, thanks, the USB stick install method is a lot easier than I thought it would be |
| 04:14.42 | Rusty1 | ahlfors: well if a cfdisk install is a must, then i dunno , but if a live cd is an option, kanotix? |
| 04:15.00 | enouf | sanmarcos: look at the default option --> Use default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async. |
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| 04:15.04 | nayyares | is there any way to recover inittab, when it is lost/damage? |
| 04:15.11 | ahlfors | Rusty1, does knoppix cd have md RAID and the sx8 block driver? |
| 04:15.14 | sanmarcos | enouf: will do, will do |
| 04:15.21 | liable | nayyares: lost? |
| 04:15.21 | enouf | sanmarcos: see nouser .. ok |
| 04:15.27 | ahlfors | oops NM this machine has no cd drive |
| 04:15.36 | nayyares | liable, i mean demage |
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| 04:16.38 | dfox94085 | is there something seriously wrong w/the ftp servers now? |
| 04:17.42 | dfox94085 | i'm trying to jigdo down latest etch. have to reinstall. :( and getting connection errors on nearly every file |
| 04:18.20 | liable | nayyares: hrm, trying to work out which ackage owns it |
| 04:18.21 | dfox94085 | anyone know postfix well enough to try and fix something? I lost /var and had to recreate it |
| 04:18.26 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 04:18.28 | JJ|Laptop | www.jjhosting.net/lol.txt |
| 04:18.29 | enouf | !cluebat nayyares |
| 04:18.42 | enouf | nayyares: just kidding |
| 04:18.43 | liable | i guess sysvinit, but it doesnt show |
| 04:18.46 | dfox94085 | & my mail system is down |
| 04:19.03 | nayyares | enouf, :) |
| 04:19.25 | enouf | :-0 I'm looking for you also |
| 04:19.30 | liable | nayyares: mv the file, then reinstall sysvinit with --force-confmiss option |
| 04:19.50 | nayyares | liable, you mean reinstall the package, it is in initscripts.... |
| 04:19.51 | liable | nayyares: and you should copy those files before you try and mess with them :) |
| 04:20.00 | liable | nayyares: yes |
| 04:20.03 | nayyares | liable, ok, boss |
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| 04:20.59 | liable | nayyares: you sure its in innitscripts? |
| 04:23.56 | enouf | liable: nayyares doesn't seemlike it .. according to apt-file seach inittab .. btw- man inittab has a nice hunk of what looks like a standard template/example .. could just pastebin mine |
| 04:25.07 | liable | i am actually having a hard time determining wtf it comes from |
| 04:25.14 | enouf | liable: nayyares mine isn't customized (iirc) .. but I'd check it out, befroe posting/pastbin |
| 04:26.50 | enouf | laible : maybe base-config built it? ...no longer exists? .. looking myself |
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| 04:27.47 | mhall | enouf: search packages.d.o |
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| 04:28.04 | liable | enouf: i am starting to think its generated, yes. frankly i havent ever really messed with init or getty sort of stuff. |
| 04:28.25 | enouf | mhall: got apt-file here .. shouldn't be necessary .. |
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| 04:28.39 | enouf | yes? |
| 04:28.40 | mhall | enouf: double check, have seen glitches |
| 04:28.51 | enouf | mhall: okie |
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| 04:29.47 | mhall | enouf: not real effin likely i agree |
| 04:30.01 | mhall | enouf: but the glitches for me showed up on weird conf files like inittab |
| 04:30.28 | enouf | mhall: ahh .. |
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| 04:32.25 | enouf | liable: looking at man init refers to initscripts .. but lemmee check pdo .. hmmm pdo says "usr/share/yard/Replacements/etc/inittab" for sarge "utils/yard" |
| 04:34.37 | mhall | enouf: but the directory is funky |
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| 04:35.08 | mhall | !blame mhall |
| 04:35.14 | liable | i think it must be generated |
| 04:35.24 | liable | !mhallsmite mhall |
| 04:35.25 | mhall | liable: ya that's one thing i hate about debian |
| 04:35.37 | mhall | liable: no way to repair broken core conf files with apt or dpkg |
| 04:35.41 | liable | deleted smite |
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| 04:35.51 | mhall | it used to work a while ago |
| 04:35.55 | liable | mhall: what do you mean? |
| 04:36.01 | mhall | liable: political dispute resulted in the smite's removal |
| 04:36.15 | mhall | liable: certain real rare conf files, there is no base version in apt or dpkg |
| 04:36.34 | mhall | liable: so if something bad happens there's no package you can purge and reinstall to wipe the config and start over |
| 04:36.40 | liable | mhall: such as? (out of curiosity) |
| 04:36.49 | mhall | liable: inittab would be an example |
| 04:36.55 | liable | apart from inittab! :P |
| 04:37.03 | mhall | liable: i ran into some others |
| 04:37.05 | liable | which i am not convinced on yet |
| 04:37.13 | mhall | liable: i can't remember which ones they were tho |
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| 04:37.22 | mhall | liable: some of the X ones act funky |
| 04:37.52 | liable | mhall: its been hard to keep up with x lately |
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| 04:38.21 | liable | it now forces a new conf as i found out the hard way a few days ago |
| 04:38.26 | Eloquence | anyone got a good tip for an ftp server that is very quick to set up with user accounts? |
| 04:38.34 | Eloquence | ideally apt-gettable of course |
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| 04:41.05 | dondelelcaro | Eloquence: proftp is pretty popular. |
| 04:41.12 | liable | ah |
| 04:41.18 | dondelelcaro | but no ftpd is better. |
| 04:41.31 | liable | dondelelcaro: where does inittab come from? |
| 04:41.42 | dfox94085 | what's wrong with ftp.us.debian.org? closing connections all the time |
| 04:41.57 | dondelelcaro | dfox94085: ftp.us.debian.org is a whole bunch of machines. You'll have to be more specific. |
| 04:42.00 | mhall | dfox94085: ok so, this ftp.us is a multiserver DNS |
| 04:42.08 | enouf | I know .. I think it's something that gets created during installation - maybe initrd, and initscripts and maybe even sysvinit and coreutils? even -term pkgs |
| 04:42.11 | jetscreamer | dfox94085: it happens. when it does i just change to mirrors.kernel.org |
| 04:42.17 | mhall | dfox94085: if you use netstat you can prolly figure out which one i tried to connect to and fucked up on |
| 04:42.23 | enouf | no I don't "know" .. |
| 04:42.23 | dfox94085 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.58 | dondelelcaro | liable: it should be sysvinit |
| 04:43.04 | dondelelcaro | (or something related) |
| 04:43.21 | mhall | dfox94085: ah there is the IP |
| 04:43.24 | liable | dondelelcaro: ya, doesnt seem to actually belong to a package. is it generated? |
| 04:43.35 | mhall | dfox94085: now, nslookup that IP to figure out which of the mirrors is busted |
| 04:43.43 | enouf | liable: dondelelcaro : sysvinit contains /sbin/init and /sbin/teleinit - no explicit inittab though |
| 04:43.58 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=sysvinit&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 04:44.22 | liable | enouf: yeah, but that doesnt help us really.. :P |
| 04:44.23 | dondelelcaro | enouf: /usr/share/sysvinit/inittab |
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| 04:44.41 | jetscreamer | sysvinit: usr/share/sysvinit/inittab |
| 04:44.47 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 04:44.53 | jetscreamer | try apt-file |
| 04:45.03 | liable | yeah, but no package actually seems to own /etc/inittab |
| 04:45.24 | mhall | dfox94085: wow their shit must be broken, nslookup times out |
| 04:45.24 | dfox94085 | well, anyway to exclude that ip ? |
| 04:45.25 | enouf | dondelelcaro: doh ... it's buried ..hah |
| 04:45.27 | dondelelcaro | liable: not every file in /etc/ is owned by a package. |
| 04:45.34 | mhall | dfox94085: it appears to belong to univ of minnesota |
| 04:45.44 | dondelelcaro | they're only shown in dpkg -L if they're conffiles. |
| 04:45.44 | mhall | dfox94085: ya i don't think you can exclude the ips too easily |
| 04:45.45 | dfox94085 | mirrors.kernel.org doesnt seem to have a debian dir |
| 04:45.53 | jetscreamer | heh... you should see the length of some of my backups |
| 04:45.54 | mhall | dfox94085: mirrors2.kernel.org man |
| 04:45.55 | liable | dondelelcaro: thats why i asked if its generated, or generally wanted to know where it came from |
| 04:45.57 | jetscreamer | in /etc |
| 04:46.01 | jetscreamer | of files |
| 04:46.07 | mhall | dfox94085: deb http://mirrors2.kernel.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 04:46.20 | mhall | dfox94085: mirrors2 is real effin fast |
| 04:46.31 | mhall | dfox94085: i can download several megabytes per sec (not megabits) |
| 04:47.03 | dfox94085 | ok if i can use that as a jigdo mirror will do so |
| 04:47.08 | enouf | I am blind .. apt-file does indeed show "sysvinit: usr/share/sysvinit/inittab" - I guess I overlook anything in /usr/share as far as system dependent like that |
| 04:47.49 | dondelelcaro | /var/lib/dpkg/info/sysvinit.postinst <-- has the rest of the information |
| 04:48.02 | enouf | more coffee :-) |
| 04:48.24 | nvz | bleh coffee |
| 04:48.51 | liable | i dont quite understand why it doesnt show in -L or -S |
| 04:49.06 | enouf | nvz: just awoke :-p |
| 04:49.11 | nvz | me too |
| 04:49.18 | nvz | coffee still is gross |
| 04:49.18 | dfox94085 | ok added it to /etc/apt/sources.list. right now i'm jigdoing from UK |
| 04:49.28 | enouf | nvz: I'kk head bcak to sleep for a few hours later |
| 04:49.44 | liable | maybe now is a good time |
| 04:49.47 | enouf | !stinksmite nvz |
| 04:49.50 | dfox94085 | coffee: no such file or directory. Add 7-11 (y/n) |
| 04:50.00 | enouf | hehe |
| 04:50.31 | enouf | can I get a high-five for the drug called caffeine then ? |
| 04:50.46 | dfox94085 | i certainly hope umn gets its stuff together. seems like it always wants to go there when i do ftp to ftp.debian.org |
| 04:50.47 | nvz | beer and coffee both gross and yet most people take one to slow them down at night and the other to speed them back up in the morning |
| 04:51.10 | liable | nvz: i'll pretend i didnt hear you say that about beer |
| 04:51.21 | nvz | I spent 9 hours on a 12 pitch today and still turned down a beer |
| 04:51.48 | nvz | I have to work 10-16hrs before beer tastes good |
| 04:51.48 | enouf | dfox94085: I also could not d/l install pkgs from ftp://ftp.us.debian.org .. the site was like empty ot something .. changed/altered sources.list temporarily - problem siolved |
| 04:51.59 | dfox94085 | another Q... lost my /var/ directory, had to rebuild. now my dpkg lists are gone. anyway to rebuild without a reinstall? |
| 04:52.22 | enouf | mhall: will look at mirrors2 |
| 04:53.09 | enouf | dfox94085: /msg dpkg confmiss (maybe) |
| 04:53.27 | liable | nayyares: get your answer? |
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| 04:54.13 | dfox94085 | enouf: no that does not seem to wrk |
| 04:54.33 | enouf | dfox94085: hehe .. yeah - just reread it myself |
| 04:54.48 | liable | dfox94085: purge and reinstall dpkg, then update apt, see what gives |
| 04:55.13 | enouf | dfox94085: you're going to need dpkg(or one it's variants) to help locate the installed and populate hte list and such |
| 04:55.31 | wols_ | liable: how would you purge dpkg? and how will you reinstall it? |
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| 04:55.41 | liable | i havent ever purged dpkg actually, wonder how that works |
| 04:55.42 | dfox94085 | well, what if I have no valid data in /var/lib/ ? i.e., lists of what it thinks are on my box, that is, not what Ubuntu thinks is installed |
| 04:55.50 | liable | wols_: exactly |
| 04:55.58 | wols_ | dfox94085: #ubuntu |
| 04:55.59 | dfox94085 | i.e., had to rebuild /var complete tree, disk prob |
| 04:56.15 | sjr | hmmmm |
| 04:56.28 | enouf | dfox94085: atleast do dpkg -l | grep ^.i | less to view all installed - then dpkg -l > apps.txt (or similar) |
| 04:56.37 | dfox94085 | oh and right now getting latest etch dvd w/jigdo prob will have to do a reinstall |
| 04:57.07 | enouf | oooo... wols_ knows something about dfox94085 that we don;t ...hehe |
| 04:57.10 | sjr | Without starting a flame war could I ask something about the whole Mozilla v. Debian thing? |
| 04:57.21 | enouf | no! ..:-p |
| 04:57.38 | enouf | sjr: ask away if related to pure Debian |
| 04:57.39 | liable | wols_: i now want to actually try that. should be an interesting way of making me lose some hair |
| 04:58.01 | dfox94085 | well, it's there, but can't find some packages I know I installed. "Surface scan" the files ? look for clues? |
| 04:58.04 | nvz | aw, that was aweful... /me moves away from the pc now |
| 04:58.08 | enouf | places wind machine near nvz and aims it at sjr |
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| 04:58.18 | ThomasPorter | Hello, my mail server can send mail to any other ISP.. But when it comes to hotmail it fails.. without error. I can reply to hotmail messages, but not send new ones? Has anyone had these problems with hotmail? I've even changed my IP. |
| 04:59.01 | dfox94085 | i.,e, for each $file in /usr/share/doc there should be a corresponding entry |
| 04:59.06 | sjr | Well I heard that Debian developers had rewritten parts of the XUL System (?) and it was viewed by Mozilla as unnessary and an attempt to just *nixify portable code, and was implemented poorly. |
| 04:59.08 | dfox94085 | My guess is it's reinstall time |
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| 04:59.32 | sjr | However nothing I have read on the subject has made reference to any unnessary or poor patches, it was just something I heard while troubleshooting a iceweazel :p problem. |
| 05:00.30 | sjr | and I was wondering if anyone knew specifically in to what they were referring. |
| 05:00.31 | liable | sjr: simple really, and not worth a flame war. both sides have valid points. mozilla wants to have some sort of quality control associated with there name. debian wants free software. |
| 05:01.40 | ThomasPorter | Has anyone got a mail server that can successfully send messages to hotmail? |
| 05:01.40 | liable | sjr: they want to vet patches before they can go in. not really good for us to have to wait on mozilla to approve patches that are needed. |
| 05:01.48 | sjr | I got that part, and I dunno how short the fuse is on the powder keg is. But it was something that was pointed out to me while me and someone were talking about it, and I had no information on it. |
| 05:01.50 | enouf | sjr: um .. that's like a 105th party story or something .. like a bad gossiping result .. haven't heard such a thing - but got links? .. guess not - but yeah - it boils down to what liable is saying |
| 05:01.58 | kill4killin | since were on the topic, how do you get to install firefox now that there isnt an apt-get package that i can find for it |
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| 05:02.08 | sjr | enouf well that's why I asked if it was just a 105th party story |
| 05:02.08 | enouf | dfox94085: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 05:02.11 | stew | sjr: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 05:02.16 | liable | kill4killin: really? i just got a new one today |
| 05:02.38 | kill4killin | liable: when i do apt-get install firefox, there is nothing |
| 05:02.43 | sjr | lol |
| 05:02.55 | sjr | kill4killin, do apt-cache search firefox |
| 05:02.55 | liable | kill4killin: what debian version? |
| 05:02.58 | sjr | and you should find the package |
| 05:03.00 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.04 | kill4killin | sarge |
| 05:03.04 | enouf | doh |
| 05:03.13 | liable | kill4killin: if its sarge, its called mozilla-firefox |
| 05:03.22 | kill4killin | tried that |
| 05:03.33 | sjr | apt-cache search firefox |
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| 05:03.42 | liable | kill4killin: you have security line in sources.list? |
| 05:03.49 | kill4killin | ok, ill do it in a sec, im waiting on updatedb to finish |
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| 05:04.45 | kill4killin | idk why it wouldnt do it before... |
| 05:04.47 | kill4killin | weird |
| 05:04.57 | kill4killin | is there a difference between iceweazel and firefox now? |
| 05:05.04 | liable | prolly a spelling mistake |
| 05:07.12 | liable | kill4killin: is it even available yet? |
| 05:07.17 | enouf | I asked this earlier today .. (12+ hrs ago or so) --> Anybody know if someone is working on making a (updated) .deb for sysfsutils? Seems 2.1.0 is now available from sourceforge (Latest 2.1.0 (2006-08-23) http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=44427&package_id=87318&release_id=441635 but only as .rpms (or as a meta-pkg) - Sid/Unstable version is 2.0.0-7 ..and nothing in experimental |
| 05:07.47 | liable | enouf: mail the maintainer |
| 05:07.54 | liable | !maint sysfsutils |
| 05:08.03 | dpkg | sysfsutils: Martin Pitt <mpitt@debian.org> |
| 05:08.04 | enouf | Just curious how to obtain status/dev status .. ahhh thought so liable thanks |
| 05:08.21 | stew | enouf: check for a wishlist bug on that package. if none exists, consider filing a wishlist bug titled, "new upstream version available" |
| 05:08.21 | kill4killin | liable: idk, iv just been hearing stuff about it |
| 05:08.25 | liable | or file a wishlist bug |
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| 05:08.34 | enouf | stew .. thanks stew .. that's proper |
| 05:08.38 | kill4killin | and from what i gathered it was just a name change because of some legal issues or soething |
| 05:08.54 | enouf | stew: would I start searching at BTS? ..or. |
| 05:09.08 | stew | enouf: http://bugs.debian.org/sysfsutils |
| 05:09.29 | enouf | stew: didn't know it was heiarchical as such .. thanks again |
| 05:09.37 | stew | enouf: and there is one already: http://bugs.debian.org/385639 |
| 05:09.42 | kill4killin | ok, well im gone |
| 05:09.53 | enouf | stew: I m seeing it .. you da man |
| 05:10.08 | liable | enouf: aptitude/apt-cache show will give maintainer name too |
| 05:10.30 | enouf | liable: right .. i knew that ..thanks |
| 05:10.54 | jetscreamer | hey check this out. i was doing a bugreport(wishlist) with reportbug. |
| 05:10.58 | jetscreamer | it crashed. |
| 05:11.01 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:11.16 | liable | theres a qotd about that :) |
| 05:11.28 | jetscreamer | Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/reportbug", line 1745, in ? |
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| 05:12.07 | jetscreamer | so how do you file a bug report on reportbug? :) |
| 05:12.18 | jetscreamer | not with reportbug i would think |
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| 05:17.16 | liable | jetscreamer: isnt there a web iface on b.d.o ? |
| 05:17.37 | enouf | jetscreamer: do you have apt-listchanges installed? |
| 05:17.38 | jetscreamer | i dunno. i'll look |
| 05:17.45 | jetscreamer | no enouf |
| 05:17.49 | enouf | ok |
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| 05:19.10 | hobophobe | What's responsible for setting the default volume at startup of 'PCM'? |
| 05:19.24 | mhall | liable: dogs aren't adequately of the unix nature |
| 05:19.36 | mhall | hobophobe: alsa right? |
| 05:19.46 | liable | hobophobe: alsamixer, then alsactl store, i guess its set in the alsa init scripts |
| 05:19.49 | hobophobe | Yes |
| 05:19.49 | mhall | hobophobe: there's an init script which preserves mixer configs |
| 05:19.58 | hobophobe | ah, okay |
| 05:19.59 | mhall | hobophobe: fgrep -ir mixer /etc/init.d/* |
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| 05:20.25 | liable | mhall: cats are ? |
| 05:20.26 | mhall | fgrep -ir is my favorite ugly hack for figuring out conf files |
| 05:20.32 | mhall | liable: much more so than dogs |
| 05:20.40 | liable | how so? |
| 05:20.44 | mhall | liable: more terse, independent, and introspective |
| 05:20.56 | mhall | liable: cats are more like hackers and dogs are more like marketing |
| 05:21.01 | liable | ok, i can see that corelation |
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| 05:21.47 | streuner | corelation, hm... |
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| 05:22.05 | kakalto | If I have package x installed, and when I attempt to remove it, it complains about dependencies to do with y, but when I attempt to install y, it complains that x is installed, what can I do? |
| 05:22.20 | liable | streuner: whats wrong with that word? |
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| 05:22.27 | cahoot | hobophobe: install alsa-utils |
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| 05:22.50 | helo | is there an easy way to get bind to run as non-root? |
| 05:23.06 | helo | besides uninstalling it, installing it manually, and setting it up that way? |
| 05:23.45 | kakalto | do I use dpkg? |
| 05:23.52 | morghanphoenix | Any ideas as to why my cd & dvd drives are catching, for lack of a better term, every time I eject media? |
| 05:23.53 | liable | kakalto: paste the apt output from both commands to a pastebot |
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| 05:24.35 | morghanphoenix | The discs will be out but the drives will be trying to read it still and it'll freeze up so I have to reboot. |
| 05:24.53 | kakalto | liable; that's a bit of a hassle, don't have X here |
| 05:24.56 | OptimusPrime | i noticed a lot of X components are available to upgrade |
| 05:24.59 | mhall | liable: nothing. streuner is just strange =D |
| 05:25.05 | valdyn | helo: debian's bind does not run as root |
| 05:25.15 | mhall | morghanphoenix: that's cracktacular |
| 05:25.27 | liable | kakalto: /j #flood and use /exec -o then |
| 05:25.28 | mhall | morghanphoenix: best guess is you have got some funky daemons running |
| 05:25.47 | mhall | morghanphoenix: maybe look at dmesg and your /var/log/kern.log |
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| 05:26.14 | mhall | helo: we pretty much don't run any daemons as root unless we have to |
| 05:26.16 | kakalto | liable: how do I use /exec -o ? is it just that + command? |
| 05:26.18 | liable | mhall: i know that! was just wondering what his thoughts were :) |
| 05:26.25 | grendal_prime | do you really have to have the cupsd running to use cups? |
| 05:26.25 | mhall | helo: and many of the ones we do chroot after they don't need root |
| 05:26.41 | mhall | liable: good luck. if i had a nickel for everytime i had that desire i'd be warren buffett |
| 05:26.51 | liable | kakalto: its an irc command. /exec -o apt-get install foo (in the channel you want to paste it to) |
| 05:27.13 | grendal_prime | that may sound rediculas but i thought you only had to have the kde cups client to use it in kde |
| 05:27.21 | kakalto | liable: does it handle sudo alright? |
| 05:27.25 | mhall | grendal_prime: oh. that's kinda complex |
| 05:27.29 | helo | mhall: i noticed that in debian stable, bind is running as root. |
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| 05:27.37 | mhall | grendal_prime: somebody needs to have the cups daemon but not necessarily you |
| 05:27.42 | helo | mhall: so we have to? |
| 05:27.43 | mhall | helo: how did you verify this |
| 05:27.45 | liable | kakalto: hrm, try it i guess. never done it myself |
| 05:27.48 | helo | mhall: ps aux |
| 05:27.56 | mhall | helo: it might have chrooted itself |
| 05:28.08 | mhall | helo: i'm not sure if chrooted daemons still show up as root-owned, let me check |
| 05:28.08 | kakalto | liable: well, considering there's no input to the program.. |
| 05:28.12 | helo | hmmm |
| 05:28.24 | liable | kakalto: eh? |
| 05:28.29 | morghanphoenix | cdrom: open failed in dmesg |
| 05:28.37 | kakalto | liable, unless I mess with sudoers and make it non-password, if I can figure that out >.> |
| 05:28.48 | morghanphoenix | only referance I even see to hdc & hdd |
| 05:28.57 | liable | kakalto: it doesnt do it eh with sudo? |
| 05:28.59 | grendal_prime | motherfk...ok so i installed the cups d on that network..still i get this werid ass error about it not running |
| 05:29.14 | hobophobe | Thanks guys |
| 05:29.24 | liable | kakalto: install gpm then and just paste the output to #flood |
| 05:29.31 | mhall | helo: alright i will tell you what i saw |
| 05:29.44 | mhall | helo: on my box, out of five apaches, the one with the lowest process ID was root |
| 05:29.54 | kakalto | liable: I can't install anything |
| 05:29.56 | helo | hmm... i see |
| 05:30.04 | liable | kakalto: at all? |
| 05:30.06 | mhall | helo: i think the trick is, if it needs tcp ports less than 1024 |
| 05:30.07 | helo | i should probably be running bind 9 instead of bind 8.whatever |
| 05:30.14 | helo | ahh |
| 05:30.18 | helo | that makes sense |
| 05:30.19 | mhall | helo: then it needs to start with at least one root |
| 05:30.29 | mhall | helo: i'm not sure if that applies also to udp but i think it does |
| 05:30.43 | morghanphoenix | Only daemon I have running is for mail and rss. |
| 05:30.45 | mhall | helo: so since it wants to grab 53 udp i bet that's why |
| 05:30.49 | kakalto | liable: anything, when I go to install, it says along the lines of "following packages have unmet dependencies... blah blah blah but it's not going to be installed" |
| 05:30.50 | mhall | helo: there is one thing you can try |
| 05:30.58 | mhall | helo: look for a bind user in the shadow file |
| 05:31.08 | mhall | helo: if there is one there then deb prolly set it up for bind |
| 05:31.09 | morghanphoenix | unless fluxbox added something when I put it on. |
| 05:31.14 | liable | kakalto: ok, so you have a bit more of a problem that what you described. how did you get into this problem. what did you install, and how? |
| 05:31.19 | mhall | helo: and take a peek for maybe a named user |
| 05:31.31 | kakalto | liable: it suggests "apt-get -f install" to fix it - but that complains about a package (libuim0) is installed, and conflicts |
| 05:31.31 | mhall | helo: and look at the conf files and see if the deb config files have a user in em |
| 05:31.34 | grendal_prime | unable to retrieve printer list, error recieved from manager |
| 05:31.39 | grendal_prime | ?? |
| 05:32.00 | kakalto | liable: distro upgrade |
| 05:32.00 | mhall | helo: our deb apache files have the user and group ya want the daemon to use |
| 05:32.07 | mhall | grendal_prime: there is this special option you need, to make cups broadcast its presence in autodetect packets |
| 05:32.26 | mhall | grendal_prime: it's disabled by default for security reasons but the docs don't tell you... ESR wrote a fatty rant about it |
| 05:32.38 | mhall | grendal_prime: and pimpslapped CUPS back to the 18th century for usability |
| 05:32.47 | grendal_prime | this machine is a testing dist by the way. |
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| 05:33.01 | mhall | grendal_prime: ya cups is pretty stable so versions shouldn't be a big problem |
| 05:33.02 | grendal_prime | ok, mhall what the hell is it |
| 05:33.11 | mhall | grendal_prime: yeah lemme see if i can even effin recall |
| 05:33.14 | liable | kakalto: purge that package with dpkg and see what gives |
| 05:33.26 | mhall | grendal_prime: since i ran the cups on the same box i'm not sure i remember but i think it was in esr's rant |
| 05:33.30 | basscr | how is the fstab config for a dvd burner? |
| 05:33.32 | mhall | grendal_prime: so we can google his rant |
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| 05:33.37 | liable | kakalto: there isnt a libuim0 in debian btw |
| 05:33.38 | kimo_sabe | Browsing On? |
| 05:33.39 | kakalto | liable: dpkg --purge it? |
| 05:33.43 | grendal_prime | the cupsd restarted fine from the trerminal by the way. |
| 05:33.58 | kakalto | liable: ubuntu; debian-derived. got no help from official channel, so thought I'd try here |
| 05:34.02 | mhall | grendal_prime: "BrowseAddress" and /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 05:34.09 | mhall | grendal_prime: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html |
| 05:34.23 | kakalto | liable: looks like this should fix it, thanks |
| 05:34.55 | smax | is a umask of 0022 the same as ----w--w- ? |
| 05:35.05 | smax | being group and other have write permissions ? |
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| 05:35.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:35.54 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:36.12 | liable | kakalto: please dont go the 'debian derived' path in #debian. it leads to flame wars and never helps anyone. as you can see ubuntu has different packages and different broken stuff. try and stay with the help of your distro. if they dont know, then try a different medium, ie forum, mailing list |
| 05:36.22 | stew | smax: no, umask is for taking privileges away, so 0022 means that g and o CANNOT have w |
| 05:36.27 | basscr | how is the fstab config for a dvd burner |
| 05:36.34 | stew | smax: "/msg dpkg permissions" and read one of the urls there |
| 05:36.42 | morghanphoenix | If I drop kubuntu and mount my home partition in debian will my KDE settings be saved? |
| 05:36.43 | liable | kakalto: that being said, glad i could help |
| 05:36.48 | kakalto | liable: sorry. I'll try to keep that in mind if there is a next time. However, your help worked. |
| 05:36.54 | mhall | kakalto: yeah if you bitch about ubuntu glitches in here you're liable to get peckerslapped =) |
| 05:37.11 | kakalto | hence why I started with "package x" and "package y" |
| 05:37.14 | mhall | morghanphoenix: back em up first |
| 05:37.18 | morghanphoenix | I put a lot of work into my KDE setup but I'm starting to get sick of Kubuntu |
| 05:37.28 | kakalto | I wasn't hoping to start anything, I just figured the knowhow was here |
| 05:37.28 | mhall | morghanphoenix: in case something goofs up |
| 05:37.29 | morghanphoenix | I have a home partition |
| 05:37.35 | morghanphoenix | seperate hard drive |
| 05:37.38 | mhall | morghanphoenix: just make a biggie tar file of the .kde stuff |
| 05:37.50 | kakalto | cheers anyway guys. |
| 05:37.52 | kakalto | =DD |
| 05:37.58 | mhall | morghanphoenix: you know the drill, tar cvf, blah blah blah, oink oink oink... |
| 05:38.00 | mhall | morghanphoenix: =) |
| 05:38.05 | morghanphoenix | lol |
| 05:38.47 | smax | stew: but chmod 022 means to set the permissions for w for group and other. |
| 05:38.49 | smax | correct ? |
| 05:38.57 | morghanphoenix | just making sure debian would recognize it's little bastard's work. |
| 05:39.08 | stew | smax: correct |
| 05:39.36 | stew | smax: if you run mkdir with umask 022, the dir will have permissions 777-022 = 755 |
| 05:39.46 | smax | thanx pal |
| 05:39.46 | jzu_ | Haha, anyone willing to test if my Icecast stream works? |
| 05:40.17 | streuner | if you prefer Rock |
| 05:42.01 | mhall | morghanphoenix: ya in principle |
| 05:42.08 | mhall | morghanphoenix: just be gentle |
| 05:44.09 | helo | to remove something from the default runlevel, can i just remove the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/? |
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| 05:44.41 | liable | jzu_: only if you supply the url.. |
| 05:44.46 | jzu_ | liable: http://unikko.org:8000/tekno.mp3.m3u |
| 05:45.26 | helo | yay bind9 is much better... |
| 05:45.33 | helo | auto non-root :) |
| 05:45.41 | liable | jzu_: works. pity its jungle :P |
| 05:46.00 | Guerin | helo: yes. |
| 05:46.07 | jzu_ | liable: hahah, what you wanted to hear?;) |
| 05:46.16 | jzu_ | liable: i've got some acid and techno too |
| 05:46.17 | Guerin | helo: be aware that some things start in another runlevel, such as S |
| 05:46.28 | liable | jzu_: i am a bit of an old school techno baby :) |
| 05:46.33 | jzu_ | liable: me too :) |
| 05:46.54 | jzu_ | liable: I'm gonna buy sl1200's in the end of year and start streaming my mixing, thats why I'm setting up icecast. |
| 05:47.00 | enouf | helo: maybe /msg dpkg rcconf and/or 'runlevels' - you can easily config the ncurses based utils to add/remove at will... |
| 05:47.03 | morghanphoenix | electro-industrial |
| 05:47.12 | jzu_ | liable: been buying oldskool techno for few years, got ~200 records |
| 05:47.21 | jzu_ | old techno, hardcore etc. |
| 05:47.24 | Guerin | electronic music has been passé for about a decade now |
| 05:47.32 | Guerin | it'll start to become interesting again soon, I think |
| 05:47.37 | jzu_ | heh |
| 05:47.51 | morghanphoenix | I usually stick to punk myself. |
| 05:47.55 | jzu_ | theres faar too many mounting options in icecast2 conf |
| 05:48.10 | liable | jzu_: nice, got two crates of lp's and a pair of 1200's but they are not with me atm. besides, i am getting a bit old for it these days :/ |
| 05:48.18 | jzu_ | liable: oh :( |
| 05:48.25 | ThomasPorter | How would I do this? "Also, you should configure your outbound mail server to do a round-robin DNS lookup for hotmail.com. " |
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| 05:48.40 | jzu_ | liable: if you are going to throw away your records, throw them to Jussi Sallinen, Rälssintie 11c22, 00720 Helsinki, Finland ;) |
| 05:48.49 | enouf | helo: sysv-rc-conf is a all encompassing ncurses/curses based runlevel config util -- or the old school method is update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d methods I suppose ... manpages for more |
| 05:48.56 | mhall | is there a way to use dlopen() which is less fuckin ugly than dlopen()? maybe more abstract like a java class loader behaves in java? |
| 05:48.58 | liable | jzu_: no fucking way will i get rid of the tracks i have :P |
| 05:49.07 | jzu_ | liable: haha, I won't either ;) |
| 05:49.22 | jzu_ | oh weell, icecast works. that's good. |
| 05:49.35 | liable | yeah, mission accomplished |
| 05:49.39 | morghanphoenix | Does the debian net install disc let you set up seperate partitions like /usr /var /tmp etc? |
| 05:49.56 | enouf | needs a new turntable to listen to old albums :-( |
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| 05:50.01 | morghanphoenix | Or do I need to screw with that once it's installed? |
| 05:50.07 | nvz | morghanphoenix: sure does |
| 05:50.11 | mhall | morghanphoenix: mmhmm |
| 05:50.34 | nvz | morghanphoenix: uses parted with a custom curses front end that is very easy to use and even lets you setup LVM and such if you like |
| 05:50.53 | mhall | morghanphoenix: you get everything the same as on normal cd until you get past base system step |
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| 05:51.32 | morghanphoenix | Nice, I liked the slackeware installer a lot, too bad the distro itself gave me a two-day migraine. |
| 05:51.36 | grendal_prime | this is fkn strange ive never had this problem before |
| 05:51.42 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 05:51.47 | mhall | morghanphoenix: only diff is if you pick tasks for the new machine; i do not recommend these as they are bloated anyways |
| 05:51.48 | morghanphoenix | and I really like lilo |
| 05:51.48 | enouf | thanks mhall for that fgrep -ir tidbit earlier \o/ .. btw .. I have no idea about your dlopen() question .. |
| 05:52.15 | nvz | morghanphoenix: I didnt even give it two days after a few hours writing config files I gave up |
| 05:52.28 | liable | morghanphoenix: yes it does, just choice manual partitoning, and you can chose lilo too |
| 05:52.28 | morghanphoenix | I loved what worked |
| 05:52.31 | mhall | morghanphoenix: my commands on new deb box are always apt-get install aptitude |
| 05:52.38 | enouf | who has the CD drive ejecting issue .. did you dins a cure yet? |
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| 05:52.57 | morghanphoenix | That would be me. |
| 05:53.00 | mhall | morghanphoenix: aptitude install kdebase x-window-system-core =) |
| 05:53.23 | mhall | nvz: lol... yinzer! |
| 05:53.35 | enouf | morghanphoenix: ahh .. so what's the status ... try pstree -lunp and look for some funked daemons |
| 05:53.39 | Guerin | mocoffee |
| 05:53.43 | Guerin | eeee |
| 05:53.45 | Guerin | eeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:53.48 | Guerin | e |
| 05:54.00 | enouf | pours gallons of coffee in nvz |
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| 05:54.21 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:54.26 | nvz | sunlight means work.. I took a big raise and that means I have to be all dependable and act like I know what I am doing and stuff |
| 05:54.28 | enouf | nvz: you've got plenty of time |
| 05:54.36 | nvz | I got maybe 4 hours |
| 05:54.40 | Guerin | it's 1854 and I'm hitting the coffee |
| 05:54.52 | Guerin | you know what this means - exam season |
| 05:55.07 | enouf | nvz: take that 'route' job eh? how's it going? |
| 05:55.09 | morghanphoenix | nothing wierd there, at least that I can see, except for me never installing watchdog that it. |
| 05:55.27 | nvz | enouf: no I never got around to that spent too long fixing the car |
| 05:55.29 | morghanphoenix | is, argh! |
| 05:55.42 | enouf | morghanphoenix: hmm .. dmesg | grep IDE <--look over results |
| 05:55.58 | enouf | nvz: oh .. what;'s up now then |
| 05:56.13 | nvz | enouf: went back to doing construction. working on finishing a couple roof jobs then going to get on building houses |
| 05:56.15 | enouf | morghanphoenix: on Etch? or Sid? or Unstable? |
| 05:56.23 | mhall | ya my friend had this hot french chick who wanted to jump his bones. but he was bashful. so i convinced him to go see her and give her a big kiss as soon as he had a chance. i keep waiting to hear about his date that started at 20.30 but now it's 22.55 so my guess is... o/~ mmtss mmtss mmtss mmm mmm mmtss mmtss mmtss o/~ ... either that or suicide. lol! |
| 05:56.31 | enouf | nvz: ah ... the labor will get ya in shape :-) |
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| 05:56.59 | nvz | enouf: I'm always in shape.. squares, ovals, circles.. they are all shapes :P |
| 05:57.04 | tengulre11 | how to checking a file was locked in bash script? |
| 05:57.04 | morghanphoenix | only thing I don't understand is the not 100% native mode part. |
| 05:57.07 | enouf | nvz: hee |
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| 05:57.19 | mhall | nvz: particularly rotund ;-) |
| 05:58.08 | nvz | I was beat yesturday I was not only in bed but asleep by 7pm |
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| 05:58.14 | liable | Guerin: haha, it was beer'o'clock hours ago |
| 05:58.14 | liable | fuck sake, my net connection is totally crapping out today :( |
| 05:59.18 | morghanphoenix | I have 7meg DSL running at 300k |
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| 06:00.02 | morghanphoenix | how's that for crapping out? |
| 06:00.28 | enouf | morghanphoenix: depends on the server |
| 06:00.44 | mhall | morghanphoenix: wtf. |
| 06:00.49 | mhall | morghanphoenix: that's fux0r3d |
| 06:00.51 | Guerin | 300k consistent isn't bad |
| 06:01.02 | morghanphoenix | I live practically on top of the station |
| 06:01.14 | Guerin | if it's dropping and hanging and stuff, don't matter how fast it is supposed to be, you have problesm |
| 06:01.21 | enouf | morghanphoenix: then you can just YELL in your complaints :-p |
| 06:01.40 | enouf | morghanphoenix: or bang on the floor .. |
| 06:01.42 | Guerin | enouf: customer service is in malaysia, that's a long way to yell |
| 06:01.59 | morghanphoenix | At least I got a special on 7meg, paying $5 more than 1.5, so it's not too bad. |
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| 06:02.13 | morghanphoenix | I think it's my wiring, really old building. |
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| 06:02.31 | enouf | Guerin: good thing there;s internet .. |
| 06:02.33 | Guerin | i just moved into a house 2 minutes from the beach |
| 06:02.43 | enouf | morghanphoenix: patch in diretly .. run new cable |
| 06:02.43 | Guerin | and haven't yet had time to go to the fucking things |
| 06:02.51 | Guerin | stupid university |
| 06:02.52 | enouf | directly* even |
| 06:02.52 | nvz | it must be wild to be sitting here watching one of these fugitive shows and see them pulling up to your house |
| 06:03.12 | enouf | nvz: neighbors? |
| 06:03.12 | philips | f-spot is failing to run- does anyone have any ideas before I file the bug? http://pastebin.ca/197284 |
| 06:03.26 | Guerin | !f-spot |
| 06:03.26 | dpkg | i heard f-spot is a photograph management application, similar to Google Inc.'s freeware Picasa 2. F-Spot is an application designed to provide personal photo management to the GNOME desktop. Features include import, export, printing and advanced sorting of digital images by using tags. irc.gnome.org #f-spot http://f-spot.org |
| 06:03.38 | Guerin | oh god,m I remember that |
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| 06:03.50 | Azar | good thing it's october: brings by oktoberfest |
| 06:04.18 | morghanphoenix | Let's see, our power runs in bunches of cables down the middle of the hallway celing and splits into holes drilled in the walls over the doors. |
| 06:04.30 | enouf | Azar: and Rocktober .. but I don't need a particular month to crank it up ..hehe |
| 06:04.34 | Guerin | morghanphoenix: awesome |
| 06:04.42 | morghanphoenix | I live 50' from the bar though! |
| 06:04.57 | morghanphoenix | Which is good unless it's kareoke night |
| 06:05.00 | enouf | morghanphoenix: how's about a few rounds for the boys? |
| 06:05.02 | Azar | well it is at least one more excuse for some more beer |
| 06:05.47 | morghanphoenix | At $5 a pint I usually pass. |
| 06:06.08 | morghanphoenix | Yeah Seattle! |
| 06:06.19 | Azar | morghanphoenix: this little wonder box I run Debian on, had hiccups when assembled and tested in an office where powerlines suffered from humidity. |
| 06:06.19 | morghanphoenix | That's the cheap bar. |
| 06:06.44 | morghanphoenix | I put this one together from the trash bin. |
| 06:07.28 | enouf | Guerin: beach .. in .nz right ? that house you posted pics of? sweet - on the southern end upper island (or whatever it's called?) .. congrats |
| 06:07.46 | morghanphoenix | 1.2GHz 1GB RAM 100GB HDD SB LIve Value ATi Rage 128 PRO CD-RW & DVD-ROM, all for free. |
| 06:07.49 | Azar | Guerin does it all the time: china, nz.. |
| 06:08.14 | freearly | The memory is not cheap now |
| 06:08.26 | morghanphoenix | Came with Win2k untill that DRM crap killed my OS |
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| 06:08.33 | freearly | Azar china? |
| 06:08.40 | ThomasPorter | If I want rDNS who do I ask? My ISP? |
| 06:08.42 | morghanphoenix | Sony and Apple got into a fight over my music and my computer lost. |
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| 06:09.21 | morghanphoenix | Works a lot better on linux though, everything does, except for Ultima Online. |
| 06:09.35 | nvz | heh |
| 06:09.36 | enouf | morghanphoenix: should open up a can of whoopass on those proprietary monsters |
| 06:09.59 | nvz | I had a friend from highschool who sat in a room that looked like a cave and played Ultima |
| 06:10.06 | Azar | so on 18th the topic line here will be like: Freeze! Nobody moves! ? |
| 06:10.06 | mhall | Does anybody know the name of the virtual machine algorithms some virus scanners use to avoid having to scan a whole exe to find the virii? |
| 06:10.08 | morghanphoenix | I could care less now, AmaroK doesn't seem to notice the problem. |
| 06:10.11 | nvz | that was until he got hooked on MUD |
| 06:10.34 | morghanphoenix | Oh, MUDs work great, telnet in Yakuake or Kmuddy |
| 06:10.38 | Azar | mhall, I thought exe is a died species |
| 06:10.39 | mhall | morghanphoenix: you live in seattle? where at? |
| 06:10.50 | enouf | mhall: not offhand .. you mean heuristics maybe? |
| 06:11.05 | mhall | Azar: well, virii doesn't exist on linux, so i can't really ask about elf binaries :-P |
| 06:11.08 | morghanphoenix | U-District, I could piss out my window and hit college property. |
| 06:11.11 | mhall | enouf: not quite |
| 06:11.34 | enouf | doesn't worry about virii and crap likethat |
| 06:11.38 | mhall | morghanphoenix: shit isn't there a fred meyer over at 18th NW and such |
| 06:11.38 | nvz | morghanphoenix: or some unexpecting student |
| 06:11.46 | mhall | morghanphoenix: you can get some cheap beer over there |
| 06:11.57 | morghanphoenix | Not sure, there's one on 85th though. |
| 06:11.59 | mhall | morghanphoenix: and drink it and piss it onto the bar patrons =) |
| 06:12.03 | liable | oh dear, dont use virii |
| 06:12.17 | mhall | liable: it's *way* more fun to use than viruses |
| 06:12.20 | enouf | oh boy ..what now |
| 06:12.23 | mhall | liable: because it gets people all worked up |
| 06:12.32 | morghanphoenix | Oh, if I wanted Mickey's I could get 22s for $1 at the corner store. |
| 06:12.33 | liable | mhall: that it does :) |
| 06:12.52 | mhall | morghanphoenix: i always used to wait every week or two for the sale and i'd get 12-packs of decent beer at fred's for like 8 bux |
| 06:12.52 | Azar | three years of Debian paid off very nicely: my windows box got some heart failure and I feel incredible comfortable without it |
| 06:12.54 | morghanphoenix | Too bad I'm stuck on stouts, and no good russian imperials anywhere around here. |
| 06:12.57 | enouf | liable: all encompassing word "malware" fits all categories almost |
| 06:13.03 | mhall | morghanphoenix: washington state is the kind of affordable beer |
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| 06:13.18 | mhall | morghanphoenix: dude it's effin seattle, there's gotta be some decent stouts somewhere in that town |
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| 06:13.28 | morghanphoenix | I like Cruzan Clipper 120 Rum! |
| 06:13.35 | mhall | morghanphoenix: beer costs way more down here in cal but liquor's much cheaper |
| 06:13.40 | Azar | Becks rules |
| 06:13.40 | morghanphoenix | $15 a fifth and 120 proof. |
| 06:13.49 | mhall | morghanphoenix: bottles that cost $60 in WA i get here for $25 |
| 06:13.51 | liable | enouf: i havent kept up on the latest buzzword for nasty stuff for windows, but apparently virii is not acceptable |
| 06:14.02 | mhall | morghanphoenix: this state and nevada are the land of cheap booze |
| 06:14.07 | liable | its not even a word |
| 06:14.08 | morghanphoenix | Yeah, and smokes are $5-6 a pack. |
| 06:14.10 | liable | apparently |
| 06:14.15 | mhall | liable: why does it piss people off so much =) |
| 06:14.20 | morghanphoenix | No everclear here either. |
| 06:14.27 | mhall | morghanphoenix: i don't use the mofos, have asthma |
| 06:14.33 | liable | mhall: i dont know, just speaking from experience :) |
| 06:15.11 | mhall | liable: ya i think it's cause it's a k1dd1e term |
| 06:15.16 | morghanphoenix | I quit for five days untill my computer started screwing up, smoked half a pack in 2 hours now. |
| 06:15.29 | morghanphoenix | I though I'd quit for good this time. |
| 06:15.29 | enouf | mhall: it's an easily linksable and searchable unique term that can only be tied to windows directly .. and we know the minions won't stand for that |
| 06:15.37 | enouf | -s |
| 06:15.42 | mhall | Azar: oh ya man, i hate windows and don't use it anymore |
| 06:15.50 | mhall | enouf: meh ;) |
| 06:16.11 | morghanphoenix | I formatted my hard drive on the phone with MS support. |
| 06:16.15 | mhall | morghanphoenix: i dunno, i always though everclear was a bad substitute for a halfway decent vodka |
| 06:16.29 | morghanphoenix | The final end of that argument. |
| 06:16.42 | mhall | morghanphoenix: drive over to redmond and fuck some mothafuckahs the fuck up like a mothafuckah |
| 06:16.49 | enouf | mhall: hehe .. over 1,000,000 hits for it on google |
| 06:17.10 | Azar | news: Debian plans to release its newest version, Etch, in December, and wants Mozilla's Firefox Web browser to be part of the distribution. |
| 06:17.18 | morghanphoenix | Yeah, my girl would be using linux too but here school has a contract with MS so it'll only work with win & ie. |
| 06:17.21 | mhall | enouf: many of which will link to working viruses :D |
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| 06:17.28 | morghanphoenix | I like Opera |
| 06:17.42 | mhall | morghanphoenix: so does my old university, you had to fight tooth and nail for any unix support |
| 06:17.45 | enouf | mhall: and the cycle continues .. |
| 06:17.51 | Azar | I don't care I could use even links for that matter |
| 06:17.54 | mhall | morghanphoenix: they do have one awesome solaris box but it was run by a bunch of cocks |
| 06:18.02 | morghanphoenix | Funny thing is thier servers all run unix. |
| 06:18.03 | liable | mhall: thats right, apparently the english language is not allowed to eveolve, its strictly set to the values of $user |
| 06:18.10 | mhall | morghanphoenix: too bad, it woulda been cool if they installed some good SW |
| 06:18.11 | enouf | Azar: links2 for the w1n! |
| 06:18.19 | mhall | liable: i don't think virii is an evolution :) |
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| 06:18.29 | enouf | Azar: although a bit buggy .. surely it;'ll get fixed |
| 06:18.29 | liable | mhall: shut up |
| 06:18.31 | mhall | liable: probably a coarsening back to the days of primoridal soup |
| 06:18.43 | mhall | liable: UN UN UG UG H4X0R!1!111! |
| 06:18.48 | liable | mhall: shut up |
| 06:18.49 | Azar | enouf: is just a matter of needs. |
| 06:18.51 | liable | :P |
| 06:18.54 | mhall | liable: lol |
| 06:18.59 | mhall | liable: asshat |
| 06:19.10 | mhall | !tell mhall about return |
| 06:19.11 | liable | lol is not a word you fux0r |
| 06:19.17 | liable | :P |
| 06:19.23 | mhall | haw haw haw |
| 06:19.33 | morghanphoenix | Sure it is |
| 06:19.47 | enouf | !AOLsmite someone |
| 06:19.48 | Azar | hehe Mozilla put conditions to Debian in order to get the bundle |
| 06:20.04 | liable | no its not, its an initialisation |
| 06:20.12 | morghanphoenix | When you've had too much vodka your head kinda lolls to the side untill the cops come and put you in thier little car to take you away. |
| 06:20.23 | enouf | Azar: and REalPlayer teamed with mozilla - so run far and run fast folks |
| 06:20.34 | morghanphoenix | And I know I spelled it wrong before anyone points that out. |
| 06:21.02 | Azar | the article is interesting: boo Mozilla http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/09/1434251 |
| 06:21.15 | liable | mhall: are you suggesting there are grammer nazis here? |
| 06:21.20 | liable | morghanphoenix: ^^ |
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| 06:21.28 | liable | surely not! |
| 06:21.28 | morghanphoenix | http://www.ie7.com |
| 06:21.28 | mhall | morghanphoenix: actually i made that happen to me a while ago =) |
| 06:21.29 | Azar | enouf: I thought Real Player died long ago |
| 06:21.42 | enouf | had high hopes for mozilla at one point - but they've been completely and utterly dasjed and smashed |
| 06:21.50 | morghanphoenix | So did I, I woke up in king county for peeing in the nieghbor's bushes. |
| 06:21.52 | enouf | Azar: heh .. lok again |
| 06:21.54 | liable | Azar: unfortunately not yet |
| 06:21.55 | mhall | morghanphoenix: i needed it though, i lost a programming contest and got hella shot down by a chick all in one day |
| 06:21.55 | enouf | +o |
| 06:22.05 | mhall | morghanphoenix: that's kind of a trivial offense... wtf? |
| 06:22.12 | enouf | they're both gonna diie together hehe |
| 06:22.17 | enouf | -i |
| 06:22.18 | Azar | liable: i don't see why Debian should bow at MOzilla... |
| 06:22.30 | Azar | its like.. |
| 06:22.32 | morghanphoenix | Sexual offender status here for pissing in public. |
| 06:22.34 | enouf | Azar: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 06:22.36 | liable | Azar: whats mozilla got to do with real.com? |
| 06:22.49 | enouf | liable: they've paired .. |
| 06:22.53 | morghanphoenix | See-Tattle is bonkers with it's laws. |
| 06:22.55 | Azar | when buying games and the shove you all kind of crap with the game |
| 06:23.03 | liable | enouf: wtf, are you serious? |
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| 06:23.17 | Azar | liable: real.com? what's that? |
| 06:23.46 | enouf | http://www.forbes.com/digitalentertainment/2006/08/01/internet-real-mozilla_cx_lh_0802real.html |
| 06:23.51 | liable | Azar: the real player people. i made up real.com, though its prolly there ip |
| 06:23.53 | enouf | liable ^^^ |
| 06:24.07 | tosik | Can somone suggest if I should use Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 06:24.09 | Azar | liable: enouf mentioned it... |
| 06:24.19 | enouf | Azar: ^^^ |
| 06:24.25 | mhall | I know what's up with Mozilla Azar. They violate the conventions of the Unix shared library in a way which causes needless and insecure duplication of the xulrunner on which Firefox depends. |
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| 06:24.44 | Azar | wait a second, gentlemen!...I might be half drunk but not so.. |
| 06:24.52 | morghanphoenix | Debian, I've had too many wierd problems with x/k/ubuntu myself to recomend it to anyone. |
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| 06:25.10 | tosik | This is what I am struggling myselft |
| 06:25.19 | tosik | I have a laptop and I can't get wirless card to work |
| 06:25.20 | mhall | Azar: So then, when Debian fixes it with some very complex patches which occasionally introduce bugs (for which Debian provides all the user support) the Firefox people go psycho because they are a bunch of pedantic fucks who think they're more right than the Unix shared library specification. |
| 06:25.23 | Azar | did I read this right? "Earlier this year, Mike Connor, a developer with Mozilla, submitted a bug report to Debian that stated that if Debian intend to call its browser Firefox, it would be required to include Firefox graphics as well" |
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| 06:25.26 | Tallu| | tosik: what card do you have? |
| 06:25.34 | enouf | AOL bought out Netscape way back in 1998 for like 4 billion and they've been funding mozilla research .. any guess what outcome would come form that? |
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| 06:25.50 | liable | enouf: in a fit of what is right, that flash page borked and sent me back to my previous url |
| 06:25.51 | tosik | I have EMC external card |
| 06:25.51 | Azar | Debian's browser? like in Debian browser? |
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| 06:25.56 | mhall | Azar: So, rather than fix the brokenness of their library, they decide to revoke Debian's trademark license instead. |
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| 06:25.57 | tosik | I don't have model wtih me |
| 06:26.19 | morghanphoenix | Why firefox? I prefer Konqueror to firefox, and don't even like that much for the web. |
| 06:26.34 | mhall | Azar: Mozilla developers are extremely elitist. My heart goes out to Debian for fighting their stupidity on this point. |
| 06:26.47 | morghanphoenix | At least Opera runs right in black/fluxbox |
| 06:26.59 | Azar | hmm.. Id go back and keep with links then |
| 06:27.00 | liable | firefox has passed its use by date for linux. |
| 06:27.09 | mhall | morghanphoenix: Well, certain *cough* proprietary apps need Firefox for plugins :-( . |
| 06:27.14 | simonrvn | !iceweasel |
| 06:27.14 | dpkg | [iceweasel] due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 06:27.15 | craigevil | Iceweasel ftw or Seamonkey |
| 06:27.19 | chemaja | epiphany-browser is better than firefox for me |
| 06:27.24 | Azar | because I can! |
| 06:27.32 | mhall | morghanphoenix: I don't think Opera has the right free license? |
| 06:27.33 | tosik | Sorry it is SMC not EMC |
| 06:27.37 | morghanphoenix | What app? |
| 06:27.47 | liable | yes, but will iceweasal become a better version of firefox?? |
| 06:27.47 | simonrvn | opera is non-free |
| 06:27.53 | simonrvn | in more ways than one |
| 06:27.56 | Azar | ah, thank you simonrvn |
| 06:28.03 | liable | or just a forked version of a bloated poc? |
| 06:28.11 | morghanphoenix | It's not the right license, but niether is java or flash and they're both free to download. |
| 06:28.12 | liable | pos |
| 06:28.12 | simonrvn | so far the latter |
| 06:28.15 | craigevil | iceweasel is still going to based on the current firefox code, just forked |
| 06:28.33 | Azar | my way: keep it simple and honest! all new net gadgets are plain lies |
| 06:28.36 | enouf | liable: google for it - get a normal browser that blocks that shit .. and/or try http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/06/08/02/HNrealnetworkstodistribute_1.html seems VMware also has something goiung on |
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| 06:28.58 | mhall | lol, iceweasel, hahaha |
| 06:29.22 | mhall | liable: ice already has some new features apparently but will try to stay firefox compliant |
| 06:29.27 | enouf | bah the VMware info is from December 12, 2005 |
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| 06:29.36 | morghanphoenix | Adds are gone if that's what you mean. |
| 06:29.38 | liable | enouf: dude, keep up with the times, my attention span moved on from that 3.5 minutes ago :) |
| 06:29.45 | mhall | morghanphoenix: right, but they want a good browser to come stock in debian |
| 06:29.46 | simonrvn | mhall: it enables some already present features in some cases |
| 06:29.49 | craigevil | gnu.org needs to make the compile instructions for iceweasel a little clearer |
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| 06:30.05 | enouf | liable: I do it slow and easy some nights :-) |
| 06:30.06 | mhall | simonrvn: ah, yeah firefox is a bunch of whiny little bitches about unearthing new ones |
| 06:30.08 | Azar | I do not see any difference in Firefox run on a Debian than the Firefox run on a Windows desktop what's the fuss? |
| 06:30.08 | morghanphoenix | They're making thier money off of cell-phones and the Nintendo DS now. |
| 06:30.18 | mhall | simonrvn: i think maybe cause their windows users are dumb and would file dumb bugs |
| 06:30.27 | simonrvn | they have a i{3,6}86 binary ready to fetch |
| 06:30.30 | liable | enouf: eek, i dont want to know about that! |
| 06:30.34 | mhall | Azar: well mozilla's trademarks are wacko |
| 06:30.40 | morghanphoenix | Ever seen XPde, now that's creepy. |
| 06:30.53 | mhall | craigevil: clear build instructions? from gnu? lol |
| 06:31.00 | simonrvn | mhall: not unlike some debian users ;) |
| 06:31.02 | enouf | hehe |
| 06:31.11 | craigevil | yeah i know its asking the impossible |
| 06:31.12 | Azar | hey mozilla gonna go down the tubes, it will be allways a new browser to break their feet |
| 06:31.31 | morghanphoenix | .deb packages are nearly impossible to screw up |
| 06:31.48 | morghanphoenix | It's those tarballs that mess with people. |
| 06:31.49 | simonrvn | bullshit. try building one ;) |
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| 06:32.18 | simonrvn | so have i, but i learned |
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| 06:32.25 | morghanphoenix | I meant to install a package, not to build one. |
| 06:32.39 | Azar | :) I am so newbie I do not even know how to file a bug... lucky for the programmers |
| 06:32.42 | superlinux | i need an (ip accounting+traffic shaping tool) like what broadband companies do, on Linux. please mention one. |
| 06:32.50 | simonrvn | apt-get install reportbug |
| 06:33.06 | Azar | no no excuse me, rectification: I am so dumb I do not even know if I got any bugs |
| 06:33.08 | simonrvn | !tell superlinux about search |
| 06:33.32 | Azar | poor but happy! :) |
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| 06:33.58 | streuner_ | Azar: poor's are mostly happy ;-) |
| 06:34.09 | superlinux | simonrvn i dont have debian infront of me now.. i am on my uni's win computer |
| 06:34.18 | morghanphoenix | I know when I have bugs, it makes that obnoxious sound and freezes up, anything less than that I can live with. |
| 06:34.20 | enouf | Azar: must be like me .. 'My' bugs are unique to me .. hehe -- only I seem to get/have them ..hehe |
| 06:34.28 | lotus-blade | can you do a network install using a zircom 10/100 + 56k pcmcia card? |
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| 06:34.33 | superlinux | just search for me plz .. it's for my friend |
| 06:34.34 | simonrvn | superlinux: read what the bot said instead of assuming, please. |
| 06:34.40 | superlinux | ok |
| 06:34.48 | enouf | Azar: buggy hardware and BIOSes are fun! |
| 06:34.52 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 06:35.04 | streuner_ | !be a reading barbie |
| 06:35.04 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, streuner_ |
| 06:35.26 | morghanphoenix | Ancient video cards are fun, no drivers so it's all set up with generic xorg configs. |
| 06:35.38 | Azar | man I love Debian! Debian developers protected our freedoms to have it as we wish, not like those enforcing trademark bullshit |
| 06:35.40 | liable | eh |
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| 06:36.04 | enouf | OEM crapola on a cracka |
| 06:36.06 | simonrvn | debian is one of the few that actually give a crap |
| 06:36.47 | morghanphoenix | I wish somebody who gave a shit about the software had bill gate's money, that'd be nice. |
| 06:37.08 | Azar | enouf: well said! nobody can protect us from buggy hardware drivers built by irresponsible greedy corporations |
| 06:37.42 | morghanphoenix | I hope Vista kills microsoft. |
| 06:37.59 | liable | i couldnt care to tell the truth |
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| 06:38.22 | morghanphoenix | I could, if there was no windows I could get some good games! |
| 06:38.50 | mhall | enouf: sometimes sadly we are buggier than the distro =) |
| 06:38.57 | liable | be nice to live in such a simplistic world |
| 06:39.20 | Azar | me and dad are planning to revive some few DX boxes from back 1989 and enjoy good old games |
| 06:39.21 | mhall | morghanphoenix: unlikely |
| 06:39.53 | liable | streuner_: s/read/reads/ and none for a while |
| 06:40.11 | Azar | morghanphoenix: those new dual and quad new PCcraps wont help much with the games |
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| 06:40.27 | linuxmigration | Azar: DX? |
| 06:40.32 | simonrvn | i'm running iceweasel now, and i can tell you right now with the same extesntions, it's taking up about 30-40 less MB in VM |
| 06:40.38 | simonrvn | extensions |
| 06:40.55 | liable | its actually built? |
| 06:40.59 | linuxmigration | simonrvn: bfcache? |
| 06:41.01 | simonrvn | ^^ |
| 06:41.04 | Azar | linuxmigration: old DOS boxes 80mhz |
| 06:41.07 | enouf | Azar: unfortunately , I don't see corps like nvidia r ati releasing their proprietary driver specs anytime soon .. so, only solution is to fund our own project from scratch (some have already started and are making a free, opensource PCI vid card progress) - but we need to completely stomp out ANY thoughts of allowing anything DRM/ Trusted ocmputing platform related get a hold .. no matter what - and that means stopping BR-D and HD-DVD and HDM |
| 06:41.07 | morghanphoenix | I'm getting a multi-output video card, how well do tripple monitors work in debian? |
| 06:41.07 | enouf | crap - not to mention newer hypervisor capable virtual machine capabiltities built into the CPUs |
| 06:41.16 | simonrvn | see the dpkg factoid |
| 06:41.32 | linuxmigration | Azar: ahh. i have a Pentium 90Mhz ;) |
| 06:41.42 | simonrvn | .:02:30:27:. < simonrvn> they have a i{3,6}86 binary ready to fetch |
| 06:41.47 | enouf | It's a shame - the newer AM2s are loaded with that crap |
| 06:41.55 | Azar | linuxmigration: Pentium did not even existed back then |
| 06:42.23 | enouf | My last consumer grade CPUs wil be AMD operons I guess .. then I'll hold out for 10+ yrs till a revolution hopefully takes place |
| 06:42.29 | enouf | +t |
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| 06:42.49 | Azar | back then it was the old good AMD and cyrix |
| 06:42.51 | linuxmigration | enouf: hopefully it won't be 10 yrs |
| 06:42.57 | morghanphoenix | I have a 333 WinXP, 900 kubuntu and 1.2GHz x/k/ubuntu |
| 06:43.00 | enouf | hugs and strokes his p150 |
| 06:43.11 | enouf | linuxmigration: hopefully .. |
| 06:43.13 | morghanphoenix | Only thing fancy is the radeon 9600 I'm about to buy. |
| 06:43.25 | linuxmigration | Azar: are you saying there was no pentium chip that ran at 90Mhz? |
| 06:43.26 | liable | eww, hugs is cool, stroking sounds a bit funky |
| 06:43.46 | Azar | linuxmigration: oh no I ment 80MB HD.. |
| 06:43.51 | Azar | I do not remember mhz |
| 06:44.13 | Azar | hmmm memory was only 18MB ram |
| 06:44.29 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 06:44.41 | linuxmigration | huh? my p90 came with less ram |
| 06:44.49 | enouf | ok .. pets his p150 :-p |
| 06:45.10 | morghanphoenix | 16MHz, 640k ram and 64mb hdd |
| 06:45.15 | morghanphoenix | That was my 386 |
| 06:45.35 | morghanphoenix | Ooh, and can't forget the math co-processor. |
| 06:45.45 | enouf | nope |
| 06:45.53 | linuxmigration | i had a friend with a 386 that had a switch so you could slow down the proc to make old games work |
| 06:46.18 | simonrvn | it was called the trubo button |
| 06:46.21 | simonrvn | turbo* |
| 06:46.42 | morghanphoenix | I had software installed on my k6-2 that ate up system resources to slow down DOS games. |
| 06:46.49 | linuxmigration | the switch slow stuff down was called turbo? sounds backwords |
| 06:47.05 | morghanphoenix | Kinda an inefficient way of doing it I thought. |
| 06:47.17 | linuxmigration | heh |
| 06:47.21 | liable | its quite amasing really, but i think i have learnt more about english in #debian (which is incredibly multicultural) than i did in english at school, but i guess i am older and more receptive to that sort of thing now.. |
| 06:47.48 | liable | lol, trust me to have glairing typos in that comment :/ |
| 06:48.06 | linuxmigration | liable: in that case, learned. ;) |
| 06:48.10 | faljse | i think turbo buttons sell better than slowdown buttons.. |
| 06:48.15 | simonrvn | linuxmigration: it was to speed it up actually. they defaulted to the slow option |
| 06:48.25 | Tallu| | Wow.. did apt-get install blackbox and now no graphical manager starts. happy me to get to spend the morning troubleshooting :) |
| 06:48.28 | linuxmigration | wtf? that's crazy |
| 06:48.40 | simonrvn | different times ... |
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| 06:48.56 | morghanphoenix | Fluxbox here. |
| 06:49.21 | liable | Tallu|: login manager or what? blackbox is a wm |
| 06:49.24 | Azar | sory to keep this going, but it is amazingly sad when I remember how Firefox Mozilla was against microsofties and now.... well now they are using the same microsoftian logo: but at the end of the day, we're motivated by the same interests: doing the right thing for public benefit." Mozillasoft |
| 06:49.41 | Tallu| | liable: well, nothings starting, complains that fonts got broken |
| 06:49.57 | liable | Tallu|: can you paste the errors? |
| 06:50.03 | mhall | simonrvn: sweet, i wonder why it takes that much less |
| 06:50.08 | streuner | Azar: money rules and things changes |
| 06:50.23 | Tallu| | liable: yeah, I'm trying to set up the fonts as we speak, after that I'll paste the errors |
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| 06:50.33 | liable | ok |
| 06:50.54 | mhall | linuxmigration: the turbo was on by default to go turbo |
| 06:50.59 | mhall | linuxmigration: with a little light on |
| 06:51.03 | Azar | streuner: when any company starts claiming that they know or are doing what's best / right for the public benefit, that company went crappy. |
| 06:51.12 | simonrvn | mhall: probably optimisations, or some forethought in features, or some other factor |
| 06:51.15 | mhall | linuxmigration: when you released it it back-clocked to 8 mhz to match the speed of the AT 286 |
| 06:51.22 | mhall | simonrvn: i'm guessing shared libs |
| 06:51.28 | mhall | simonrvn: i better install it, did you find a deb |
| 06:51.29 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 06:51.32 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:51.40 | simonrvn | i stuck it in /usr/local |
| 06:51.49 | Azar | those are totalitarian regimes for the public |
| 06:51.50 | mhall | simonrvn: aww damn |
| 06:52.19 | simonrvn | mhall: oh it did default to on? i've seen some that did it the way. oh well |
| 06:52.22 | mhall | Azar: mozilla doesn't like the way we patch stupidity out of their browser |
| 06:52.25 | simonrvn | other way* |
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| 06:52.33 | mhall | Azar: the trademark crap is a ploy to inconvenience us |
| 06:52.44 | enouf | eyes his "turbo" button |
| 06:52.53 | mhall | We do not want to get into the fools' game of cherry-picking patches, or |
| 06:52.54 | streuner | Azar: did you read the whole story? |
| 06:52.54 | mhall | individual distros deciding that Patch A isn't "security-oriented" enough. |
| 06:52.58 | Azar | mhall: no they will love to ornate our desktops with their crappy art |
| 06:53.02 | mhall | Azar: they are morons; so we will fork |
| 06:53.02 | enouf | pipelined burst! baby |
| 06:53.02 | morghanphoenix | Is it safe to set write permissions to all non-root paths? |
| 06:53.04 | Tallu| | liable: ok it stopped dying on fonts.. now it's saying could not open default cursor font 'cursor' |
| 06:53.08 | mhall | Azar: the artwork shit is a ploy |
| 06:53.15 | mhall | Azar: the real debate is years older |
| 06:53.19 | dondelelcaro | morghanphoenix: depends on the path |
| 06:53.20 | Azar | streuner: only the one from linux.com |
| 06:53.25 | walrick | what is the password for mysql's user debian-maint-sys, or where can i locate it? |
| 06:53.30 | mhall | Azar: they started hating us when we began to patch some of their stupidity with libraries |
| 06:53.31 | enouf | Replaced the PSU .. made sure he kept "turbo" button connected :-p |
| 06:53.37 | mhall | walrick: why do you need it |
| 06:53.43 | dondelelcaro | walrick: it's in /etc/mysql/my.cnf or debian.cnf; you shouldn't need it though. |
| 06:53.52 | morghanphoenix | I was thinking usr var & tmp. |
| 06:53.58 | Azar | mhall from few inofensive icons they will indulge to place toolbars, search bars and other craps |
| 06:54.11 | dondelelcaro | morghanphoenix: only root should be able to write to usr and var; everyone can write to /tmp. |
| 06:54.38 | dondelelcaro | having normal users able to write to directories which may be in the path is bad. |
| 06:54.43 | walrick | dondelelcaro: thks, the trouble is, after installing mysql, i can't login to it, not even as root. Access denied. |
| 06:54.45 | lotus-blade | can you do a network install using a zircom 10/100 + 56k pcmcia card? |
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| 06:54.55 | dondelelcaro | walrick: mysql's default password is blank |
| 06:55.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell walrick -about forgot mysql root password |
| 06:57.13 | walrick | dondelelcaro: right, the first time i install, i was able to get in this way. but in the process of trying to change the root password, i deleted the user root and unintentinally logged out. since then, even after removing with purging and reinstalling mysql, i can't login as root anymore. access denied. |
| 06:57.20 | morghanphoenix | Can you back up saved passwords and kontact settings or am I going to need to redo all of them after the fresh install? |
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| 06:58.10 | chemaja | I for one welcome our new Iceweasel overlords |
| 06:58.21 | raj | hi all any one have idea abt bugzilla upgrade |
| 06:58.32 | liable | Tallu|: is this a stock debian? whats the patch its after, and whats the font path you have? |
| 06:58.43 | liable | s/patch/path/ |
| 06:59.21 | Azar | good night honorables and thanks for the hints.. long live Debian! |
| 06:59.22 | mhall | walrick: probably you need to dpkg-reconfigure debconf and set priority to low |
| 06:59.30 | mhall | walrick: and make sure you purge the proper packages |
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| 06:59.58 | enouf | walrick: sounds a bit fishy .. but init=/bin/sh ? maybe? |
| 06:59.59 | mhall | walrick: mysql-common mysql-server-5.0 probably both need purge and reinstall |
| 07:00.11 | mhall | enouf: *mysql* *not* *debian* |
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| 07:01.02 | enouf | mhall: oh ..i thought he deleted root user/group |
| 07:01.06 | mhall | enouf: nope |
| 07:01.14 | walrick | mhall: thks. i suspect my purging process. i have been doing it to mysql-server only. |
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| 07:01.48 | mhall | walrick: ya the my.cnf is in -common |
| 07:01.57 | roxy_ | I am reading "man bash". It says: "Meta-Rubout: backward-kill-word" M-DEL is bound to the function backward-kill-word. How Rubout can become DEL ? |
| 07:02.04 | mhall | walrick: i just checked with dpkg -L... very handy command |
| 07:02.18 | walrick | k, let me try again. |
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| 07:02.30 | mhall | roxy_: hmm, stty, the termcap/terminfo, and readline changes in an inputrc (/etc or dotfile) |
| 07:02.42 | mhall | roxy_: suffice it to say, there's not a simple answer |
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| 07:03.00 | mhall | roxy_: if you mean to reconfigure rubout onto DEL yourself, best is one of the inputrcs i'd say |
| 07:03.05 | mhall | roxy_: examples: |
| 07:03.27 | mhall | roxy_: "\e[1~": beginning-of-line |
| 07:04.03 | roxy_ | mhall: it comes from the part on readline. But readline understand DEL, why anyone would want t bind it to Rubout ? |
| 07:04.10 | cubiq | I have a problem with my new deb box and soft shutdown through the power switch. As I understand soft shutdown is a ACPI feature correct? |
| 07:04.38 | liable | cubiq: it doesnt completely turn off? |
| 07:04.57 | liable | cubiq: yes its usually acpi related |
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| 07:05.20 | roxy_ | mhall: it says readline understand RUBOUT , what would that be in plain english ? |
| 07:05.32 | cubiq | liable: Well if I hold the switch for 4 seconds it shutsdown but I can't do the soft shutdown where the OS exists correctly |
| 07:05.53 | liable | cubiq: ya, you have acpid installed? |
| 07:05.55 | cubiq | On my other deb box I can just touch the switch and it shutsdown smoothly |
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| 07:06.16 | cubiq | liable: isn't in the base system? Can I check if its isntalled? |
| 07:06.34 | liable | cubiq: i have never really gotten to the bottom of this, i thought it was due to acpid, but others have laughed in my face and told me i am a fool |
| 07:06.42 | liable | cubiq: dpkg -l acpid |
| 07:07.00 | cubiq | liable: :) he he I guess they'll laugh at me too :) |
| 07:07.05 | cubiq | testing... |
| 07:07.52 | morghanphoenix | Okay, is there an option for a very basic clean install of minimal debian where I can add what I want and only what I want? Tried installing it and it added everything. |
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| 07:08.19 | liable | morghanphoenix: yes, when you get to tasksel, just install the base system |
| 07:08.22 | cydork | morghanphoenix: just dont select anything in the tasksel. |
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| 07:09.24 | cubiq | liable: you're right. I couldn't find package acpid |
| 07:09.41 | cubiq | liable: I guess a simple apt-get will do the trick? |
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| 07:10.17 | liable | cubiq: yes |
| 07:10.25 | morghanphoenix | And wiping all of my hidden files from home won't hurt anything on a clean install, right? |
| 07:10.35 | cubiq | liable: Thanks! |
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| 07:10.49 | liable | morghanphoenix: from a previous linux /home? |
| 07:10.51 | morghanphoenix | Just configs, yes? |
| 07:10.58 | morghanphoenix | yeah, kubuntu to debian |
| 07:11.01 | enouf | cubiq: modprobe processor as root - also , make sure your BIOS settings for power management are correct |
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| 07:11.12 | liable | cubiq: let me know if it fixes it. i havent personally had the problem for years |
| 07:11.34 | liable | morghanphoenix: sure, delete all dotfiles |
| 07:12.06 | mhall | roxy_: well i think rubout is a more traditional unix keybinding name, kind of like the Meta key meaning alt |
| 07:12.13 | liable | morghanphoenix: but you *will* lose stuff like bookmarks, email, settings and the like |
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| 07:12.19 | sdrucolo | hi |
| 07:12.46 | mhall | roxy_: so the trick is to make another rule that defines rubout as being assigned to del |
| 07:12.47 | roxy_ | mhall: found it: backward-delete-char (Rubout) |
| 07:12.48 | enouf | cubiq: if you have issues still .. dmeg | grep acpi and pastebin the results - also inform us about your Hardware (/msg dpkg whats my hardware) |
| 07:12.53 | mhall | roxy_: there. fix that. |
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| 07:12.58 | sdrucolo | are newbies welcome? |
| 07:13.10 | cydork | sdrucolo: they sure are :) |
| 07:13.11 | morghanphoenix | But I can export that from opera and kontact, all I'll lose will be pop3 & smtp setup, I think, correct? |
| 07:13.11 | liable | shit no |
| 07:13.15 | mhall | roxy_: now i'm not quite sure if you need to change it to DEL or backspace |
| 07:13.20 | enouf | no! no newbs! |
| 07:13.26 | enouf | hehe :-) |
| 07:13.26 | Tallu| | liable: well no, not stock.. debian etch, 2.6.19-git9 kernel, xorg worked just fine with gnome, tried to install blackbox and it all died.. i think it was because of the 'artwiz-cursor' which failed to install |
| 07:13.32 | sdrucolo | :) |
| 07:13.33 | mhall | roxy_: there is some keyboard shortcut which reloads the readline config on the fly for testing |
| 07:13.34 | enouf | just kidding sdrucolo |
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| 07:13.44 | sdrucolo | ok enouf :) |
| 07:13.46 | morghanphoenix | Yeah, rtfm and all that shite, let's make this a #slackware clone channel! |
| 07:13.48 | Tallu| | liable: I think I should try with another cursor, I think that cursor must have created a symlink somewhere that broke it and then failed to install |
| 07:14.06 | enouf | sdrucolo: just ask away IF using pure Debian |
| 07:14.06 | liable | Tallu|: i dont even know what that cursor is :/ |
| 07:14.09 | roxy_ | mhall: I am just binding "sudo aptitude update" and "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" to something easier :-) |
| 07:14.37 | roxy_ | mhall: for testing I just enter a new shell with "bash" |
| 07:14.47 | Tallu| | liable: well it's supposedly some cool cursor, dont know.. blackbox recommended it |
| 07:14.50 | mhall | roxy_: let me see... Now if you're up for something more sophisticated than logging out and in again, just hit Control-X Control-R. |
| 07:14.56 | sdrucolo | Hi typed the command "top" and I see that wget is getti 99% of cpu...how can I know what wget is doing ? |
| 07:14.56 | liable | Tallu|: nothing in .xsessionerrors? |
| 07:15.00 | Tallu| | liable: any way i could revert back to my old cursors, or any base cursor? |
| 07:15.05 | enouf | roxy_: something "easier" ? wth does that mean |
| 07:15.07 | mhall | roxy_: http://linuxgazette.net/issue55/henderson.html |
| 07:15.22 | liable | Tallu|: no idea, i dont quite understand what you have done |
| 07:15.27 | cydork | sdrucolo: it's downloading something if you ask me :P |
| 07:15.40 | Tallu| | liable: session_manager=local/lenovo:/tmp/ice-unix/4505, and then everything loses connection to 0:0 |
| 07:15.50 | roxy_ | mhall: yes, it is in the man also: "\C-x\C-r": re-read-init-file |
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| 07:16.08 | morghanphoenix | I have KDE Gnome Fluxbox Afterstep and XFCE, sawfish just seemed to crash the whole thing. |
| 07:16.09 | roxy_ | enouf: C-x Cd |
| 07:16.17 | sdrucolo | cydork well but I didn't run it...how can I know what it's downloading ? |
| 07:16.55 | morghanphoenix | Yeah! Johnny Cash is on my hard drive now. |
| 07:17.05 | liable | whaat? |
| 07:17.08 | cydork | sdrucolo: maybe some other program is calling wget. |
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| 07:17.39 | enouf | sdrucolo: oh bot.. ps -aux | wget perhaps wil show process id and such .. pstree -lunt also .. how the heck would we know .. open the app and looksee :-p |
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| 07:17.56 | enouf | smacks cydork with a country-western dreadnought |
| 07:17.58 | morghanphoenix | wonders what cave cydork grew up in. |
| 07:18.01 | enouf | :-p |
| 07:18.11 | cydork | morghanphoenix: very fine cave it was :P |
| 07:18.18 | morghanphoenix | lol |
| 07:18.43 | liable | morghanphoenix: JC is *very* old now |
| 07:18.52 | liable | morghanphoenix: and very country |
| 07:19.01 | enouf | roxy_: i hear ya .. but howq many times do you actually need to run a dist-upgrade command ?? |
| 07:19.07 | sdrucolo | enouf it's saying wget: missing URL |
| 07:19.19 | morghanphoenix | I wouldn't really call johnny cash country |
| 07:19.25 | morghanphoenix | And he's very dead now |
| 07:19.26 | enouf | sdrucolo: what's saying that? |
| 07:19.48 | liable | morghanphoenix: you wouldnt call it country? are you serious? |
| 07:19.50 | sdrucolo | enouf: ps -aux|wget |
| 07:20.06 | liable | morghanphoenix: and i was talking of the music, not the person |
| 07:20.16 | morghanphoenix | I think he kinda went beyond country |
| 07:20.20 | enouf | morghanphoenix: country-western bluegrass .. whatever friggin box you want to throw him in ... but I like hitting ppl with dreadnoughts on occassion all the same :-p |
| 07:20.47 | morghanphoenix | I kinda think of country as the tear in my beer she stole my dog and screwed the vacum cleaner salesman shite. |
| 07:20.48 | liable | morghanphoenix: i am from .au, and only coutry folk even know wtf JK is over here |
| 07:20.56 | enouf | sdrucolo: sorry ps -aux | grep wget |
| 07:20.57 | liable | JC even |
| 07:21.25 | morghanphoenix | Point taken |
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| 07:22.09 | enouf | sdrucolo: man wget and see what default d/l dir is st to ... go and view .. otherwise your hdd is pwned! . and will dsoon run out of space and die |
| 07:22.38 | enouf | morghanphoenix: that's country-rock or whatever |
| 07:22.40 | cydork | enouf: dont scare people :P |
| 07:22.50 | sdrucolo | lol |
| 07:22.50 | enouf | apologies .. |
| 07:22.55 | sdrucolo | anyway |
| 07:23.04 | sdrucolo | the modem it's not blinking |
| 07:23.21 | sdrucolo | really strange |
| 07:23.33 | enouf | sdrucolo: kill the dam proceess id ... 'pkill wget' as root (or sudo) |
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| 07:23.38 | sdrucolo | root 2396 85.1 0.4 6804 296 ? R 06:00 171:30 wget -S --spider http://www.openmedia.info/downloads/guarding.p2p.zip |
| 07:23.39 | sdrucolo | root 2479 0.0 0.7 2020 460 pts/1 S 09:21 0:00 grep wget |
| 07:23.47 | enouf | hahaha |
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| 07:24.04 | morghanphoenix | Is there a way to manually kill your cr-rom and restart it without rebooting? |
| 07:24.09 | enouf | sdrucolo: sudo kill -9 2396 |
| 07:24.21 | morghanphoenix | cd-rom |
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| 07:24.25 | liable | pkill should do, or -6 |
| 07:24.49 | enouf | morghanphoenix: umm... thinking ... wtf does that mean exactly ..scratches gead |
| 07:24.50 | liable | morghanphoenix: whats the actuall problem? |
| 07:24.52 | cydork | enouf: kill -9 is not clean :P |
| 07:24.53 | sdrucolo | enouf wget is downloading that zip ? |
| 07:24.58 | cydork | sdrucolo: yes |
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| 07:25.18 | enouf | cydork: that's why I like it for that stuff ... quick and dirty ...done |
| 07:25.21 | morghanphoenix | still having problems with my cd & dvd trying to read media after I remove it. |
| 07:25.38 | enouf | sdrucolo: i woulsd seenm so .. and the whole interweb as well likely :-p |
| 07:25.50 | cydork | enouf: you dont have a gf. do you? |
| 07:25.55 | liable | morghanphoenix: surprised you can eject it if a process still has the drive in use.. |
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| 07:26.02 | enouf | cydork: just not tonight :-) |
| 07:26.17 | morghanphoenix | I have to cram a tool into the little manual release hole. |
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| 07:26.41 | enouf | morghanphoenix: mount says what?3 |
| 07:26.41 | enouf | morghanphoenix: /etc/mtab as well |
| 07:26.46 | liable | morghanphoenix: well, thats just stupid. |
| 07:26.50 | morghanphoenix | nothing, it disappears. |
| 07:26.51 | liable | morghanphoenix: dont do that |
| 07:26.55 | enouf | haha |
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| 07:27.00 | Sp4rKY | hi there |
| 07:27.07 | morghanphoenix | it's working but it's not there as far as the system is concerned. |
| 07:27.08 | sdrucolo | the last question..how can I prevent it ? |
| 07:27.12 | Sp4rKY | i need some help with unsquashfs |
| 07:27.19 | enouf | lights up Sp4rKY -- takes a toke |
| 07:27.19 | liable | morghanphoenix: why are you surprised when you do something like that? |
| 07:27.31 | morghanphoenix | Manual eject? |
| 07:27.35 | liable | yes |
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| 07:27.48 | enouf | morghanphoenix: grep though ps and kill the offending app |
| 07:27.54 | Sp4rKY | when i try to do "unsquashfs filesystem.squashfs > myfile_fs", i get this error : "nLseek failed because Invalid argumenzlib::uncompress failed, unknown error -3" |
| 07:28.06 | morghanphoenix | That was after walking a mile to safeway and back while it supposed to be closing. |
| 07:28.13 | cydork | sdrucolo: next time try to check which process ran it with pstree PID |
| 07:28.14 | liable | manual eject is *not* a good way to eject a cd drive. if it wont open, theres a reason |
| 07:28.29 | enouf | Sp4rKY: sorry .. no clue about squash .. nor rutebegas for that matter |
| 07:28.45 | sdrucolo | ok cydork I will do it |
| 07:28.49 | enouf | Sp4rKY: oh .. but they are outlawed in Texas! along with cucumbers |
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| 07:29.18 | Sp4rKY | enouf: ... |
| 07:29.22 | morghanphoenix | I can see why, it's give the sheep competition. |
| 07:29.52 | enouf | sdrucolo: you have something like azureus/emule/eDonkey/Kazaa or something running .. |
| 07:30.05 | enouf | sdrucolo: highlu likely |
| 07:30.17 | enouf | torrents .. |
| 07:30.29 | cydork | enouf: i dont think p2p things use wget.. |
| 07:30.40 | sdrucolo | I used mldonkey |
| 07:30.48 | enouf | cydork: proof isn the pudding .. look up hehe |
| 07:30.54 | enouf | is in |
| 07:31.10 | enouf | mlDonkey? ...nice .. wtf is that! |
| 07:31.18 | sdrucolo | but I killed it |
| 07:31.29 | enouf | Donkey punches sdrucolo ... |
| 07:31.33 | sdrucolo | torrents+ edonkey all in in one |
| 07:31.39 | enouf | :-p |
| 07:31.50 | enouf | b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l |
| 07:32.07 | sdrucolo | not so much |
| 07:32.13 | enouf | cydork: ??? eh ? I can't hear you .. :-p |
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| 07:35.27 | enouf | apologizes for saying rude things .. just funny words to me .. may have offended others, so not happy about that - apologies .. goes down for a nap |
| 07:35.50 | debian | Hans Reiser was arrested of murdering his wife? Clue that maintaining ResierFS was not as glamorous as we could imagine... |
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| 07:36.15 | morghanphoenix | allegedly murdering his wife |
| 07:36.39 | morghanphoenix | whenever they have you on circumstantial it's not good enough to assume it happened. |
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| 07:37.18 | factor | has anyone noticed kimage map editor has not worked in some time on debian builds. |
| 07:37.23 | sdrucolo | hank you guys....you saved my day :) |
| 07:37.23 | debian | that's bad enough. First, he must find his wife... |
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| 07:38.44 | cunzhang | hi,when I run start,say Fatal server error : could not open default font 'fixed' and I find Fatal server error : could not open default font 'fixed'.the dir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ has nothing . is there anything I forget to install ? I install sid via debootstrap |
| 07:40.08 | cunzhang | what other fonts should I install? |
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| 07:42.59 | cydork | enouf: hey m here |
| 07:43.00 | liable | debian: i dont think he has even been arrested |
| 07:43.25 | liable | debian: and its not really for us to judge, even if he was a bit of a unit |
| 07:43.32 | debian | liable: detained and released? |
| 07:43.44 | debian | liable: I'm not going to |
| 07:44.23 | cydork | !tell cunzhang about fixed |
| 07:44.42 | debian | cunzhang: though it might not help, but try comment out the problematic fonts in the config first |
| 07:45.20 | cydork | enouf: ping |
| 07:45.21 | cunzhang | debian,I have try :) |
| 07:45.27 | cunzhang | cydork,I will try |
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| 07:46.51 | liable | cunzhang: thats not the font patch anymore. read /usr/share/doc/x11-common |
| 07:46.55 | OptimusPrime | im using xfce, wondering what i can get to see some icons (easy to use) :D |
| 07:47.01 | liable | cunzhang: nad change xorg.conf to suit |
| 07:47.38 | liable | wtf do i keep saying patch |
| 07:47.46 | liable | s/patch/path/ |
| 07:48.06 | cunzhang | liable,thank you |
| 07:48.17 | vega- | what the hell does (k)ubuntu do during "preparing to profile boot sequence...", it takes ages and edgy was supposed to boot faster |
| 07:48.36 | cydork | vega-: ask #ubuntu |
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| 07:48.50 | vega- | cydork: sorry, wrong channel :) |
| 07:48.57 | debian | OptimusPrime: I thought people get X up for cascading multiple xterm? :) |
| 07:49.07 | liable | vega-: you seem confused grasshoper, we are #debian |
| 07:49.38 | OptimusPrime | well i cascade icons |
| 07:49.46 | linuxmigration | is this reiser stuff just rumor or from a reliable source? |
| 07:49.50 | debian | cunzhang: come back for more helps, fellow Chinese. :) |
| 07:50.09 | debian | linuxmigration: I'm not sure if /. is a reliable source. :( |
| 07:50.09 | cydork | haha |
| 07:50.16 | cunzhang | debian, :) |
| 07:50.27 | liable | debian: of course it is |
| 07:50.31 | cunzhang | debian, I will.:) |
| 07:51.23 | chemaja | liable: "still"? you mean they actually used to for real? |
| 07:51.57 | liable | chemaja: due to lack of changing it, yes |
| 07:52.05 | debian | In my opinion it's just an arrest issued by lazy cops. It's hard for (real)geeks getting a wife, let along killing one |
| 07:52.06 | liable | chemaja: same with knoppix |
| 07:52.23 | cydork | debian: i agreee :P |
| 07:52.26 | chemaja | liable: aah, okay so it was because of the package from Debian. |
| 07:52.47 | liable | chemaja: whether it was by choice or ignorance... |
| 07:53.13 | liable | chemaja: yes, they are all our bastard children :) |
| 07:53.18 | chemaja | hahaha |
| 07:53.30 | chemaja | Debian the abusive father |
| 07:53.31 | debian | and Reiser is a real geek! I can't think of any reason of killing a woman (except she attempts to erase my code for getting my attention) |
| 07:53.58 | chemaja | grumpy old man Debian |
| 07:54.08 | debian | !lart chemaja |
| 07:54.11 | chemaja | debian: no, the *real* Debian |
| 07:54.12 | chemaja | :D |
| 07:55.41 | liable | what kind of lart was that? |
| 07:56.11 | roxy_ | While the disappearance (and possible murder) of his wife is tragic, Linux users will wonder where this will leave Reiser 4 |
| 07:56.16 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 07:56.39 | liable | roxy_: in the gutter, where it was before this happened :P |
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| 07:58.15 | roxy_ | liable: that is a good day to read /. |
| 07:58.35 | liable | roxy_: huh? |
| 07:59.08 | linuxmigration | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.19 | roxy_ | "I know, Microsoft have paid the police to do this, to discredit a Linux FS?" /. |
| 08:00.45 | roxy_ | linuxmigration: completely agree with you. |
| 08:00.45 | liable | wtf? just because one nutter says that its true? |
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| 08:01.10 | ma3x | when I browse to my site, it gives me .phtml to download instead of opening the index.php file. Why/whats wrong? |
| 08:01.23 | epsilon | apache? |
| 08:01.27 | morghanphoenix | Ext3 is my default file system. |
| 08:01.28 | liable | roxy_: read the lkml threads on reiser and make your own conclusions |
| 08:01.30 | ma3x | yes apache |
| 08:01.56 | epsilon | tell in conf to parse / deliver it correctl,y. See AddHandler, AddType |
| 08:02.22 | linuxmigration | liable: 2-3 sentence synopsis? |
| 08:02.44 | ma3x | epsilon, I have added them both, but it still doesn't work |
| 08:02.59 | roxy_ | debian: for how long have you had that nick ? |
| 08:03.00 | epsilon | reloaded apache`` |
| 08:03.01 | epsilon | ? |
| 08:04.02 | ma3x | epsilon, see http://channels.debian.net/paste/4018 please |
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| 08:06.16 | epsilon | ma3x: try add .phtml in AddHandler line with .php |
| 08:06.17 | ma3x | epsilon, I did reload it |
| 08:06.22 | ma3x | ok, hold on.. |
| 08:06.28 | debian | roxy_: can't you check it yourself? :) |
| 08:06.42 | ma3x | epsilon, I did that, but its still the same |
| 08:06.46 | epsilon | eh, AddType |
| 08:06.51 | liable | linuxmigration: read it yourself. i'll keep my opinions to myself about it |
| 08:06.52 | debian | roxy_: oops, I made my info private |
| 08:07.12 | ma3x | epsilon, I got both as follows: AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml |
| 08:07.12 | debian | roxy_: when this channel has less than 100 persons |
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| 08:11.42 | epsilon | ma3x: do you use php as module? |
| 08:12.00 | epsilon | and is .php parsed as php? |
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| 08:12.37 | ma3x | epsilon, I use php as module yes. I don't know as what is it parsed |
| 08:13.43 | diskus | try making test.php and putting there <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 08:14.37 | epsilon | try comment the AddHandler line |
| 08:15.14 | epsilon | IIRC AddHalder is only used if php is called as cgi |
| 08:15.23 | epsilon | *Handler |
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| 08:16.46 | factor | on unstable debian does anyone have a problem with configure finding libXext |
| 08:16.50 | DJ747 | Does anyone know anything about dual monitor support? |
| 08:16.58 | dondelelcaro | DJ747: just ask your questions. |
| 08:17.04 | DJ747 | kk |
| 08:17.10 | dondelelcaro | factor: not if they have the appropriate -dev package installed. |
| 08:17.22 | factor | I use triple monitor - xinera and twin view |
| 08:17.29 | DJ747 | Does anyone know how to get fluxbox to show 1 workspace on one monitor and a different one on the other? |
| 08:17.33 | factor | I have it installed |
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| 08:17.56 | factor | I use kde |
| 08:18.00 | enouf | cydork: pong .. groggily |
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| 08:18.24 | admel | Hi how do i format a *corrupted* pendrive ? |
| 08:18.33 | factor | but in the configs you can have tow servers running one on each terminal. but I just have one server and spread across three monitors |
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| 08:19.16 | cydork | enouf: heh |
| 08:19.17 | DJ747 | factor: I don't like it when I change workspaces on one and it changes for both |
| 08:19.33 | enouf | cydork: got up for a sec .. saw your ping .. going back down for sleep - what up me amigo? |
| 08:19.34 | factor | on KDE you hae the thumbtack |
| 08:19.38 | factor | have^ |
| 08:19.49 | factor | the thumbtack will hold the app on all views |
| 08:19.54 | cydork | enouf: na go back to sleep! :P |
| 08:20.12 | enouf | cydork: bastage .. |
| 08:20.13 | factor | fluxbox I dont know but that is for kde. |
| 08:20.15 | freearly | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.22 | freearly | what's the problem? |
| 08:20.42 | enouf | cydork: :-p see ya later . morrow or whatever |
| 08:20.47 | DJ747 | factor: I'll do a little more googling |
| 08:21.32 | factor | k |
| 08:22.24 | factor | man that sucks kimagemapeditor just does not work for debian unstable |
| 08:22.28 | factor | its borked. |
| 08:22.47 | factor | anyone got vdr package going on debian? |
| 08:22.53 | factor | or pvr even |
| 08:23.14 | factor | or dvb |
| 08:23.27 | factor | I have the dvb modules loaded but no program that works for it |
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| 08:26.44 | factor | my old wintv huappague card works but not the new dvb card. |
| 08:27.52 | factor | does anyone know of a program that works under linux for making image maps? |
| 08:28.03 | factor | I cant get kimagemap to work. |
| 08:28.09 | factor | wondering if another exist. |
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| 08:30.24 | liable | factor: the usual dvr for linux is mythtv |
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| 08:30.59 | factor | I was hoping for just a simple prog like tvtime. |
| 08:31.10 | factor | myth tv is nice but a bugger to work with |
| 08:31.23 | cunzhang | hi,cydork,debian and liable,all is ok I forgot to install xfonts-base thank you of all. |
| 08:31.24 | liable | mplayer can record cant it? |
| 08:31.52 | roxy_ | I can see my printer with lsusb. How can I know what /dev/... it is ? |
| 08:32.02 | cydork | cunzhang: np :) |
| 08:32.17 | factor | roxy_ : dmesg|grep lp |
| 08:32.20 | liable | roxy_: check dmesg |
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| 08:32.52 | cydork | factor: check linuxtv.org it has some good info about most things. dont know if it will help you :P |
| 08:32.55 | roxy_ | factor, liable : thanks |
| 08:32.59 | cunzhang | cydork,still don't familize with debootstrap :) |
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| 08:34.43 | cunzhang | cydork,but why I can't find mousedev in /lib/modules/2.6.*,but when I add mousedev into /etc/modules ,my usb mouse is ok |
| 08:35.18 | cydork | cunzhang: what does modinfo mousedev say? |
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| 08:35.55 | cunzhang | modinfo: could not find module mousedev |
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| 08:36.20 | cydork | cunzhang: are you using a stock kernel? |
| 08:36.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:36.52 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:38.32 | cunzhang | cydork,I don't know stock mean |
| 08:38.47 | cunzhang | cydork,I don't know what stock mean |
| 08:39.36 | cydork | cunzhang: stock kernel means the kernel which came with debian. and usb mouse doesn't use mosedev afaik. |
| 08:39.49 | cydork | s/mosedev/mousedev/ |
| 08:40.46 | cunzhang | cydork,I find a module usbmouse |
| 08:41.23 | cunzhang | but when I run modprobe usbmouse,start stop here and I can't run anything |
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| 08:42.49 | cydork | cunzhang: can you explain a bit more? |
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| 08:44.22 | roxy_ | in "lpadmin -d destination" what is the format of destination ? |
| 08:44.26 | cunzhang | cydork,I think it crash,then I restart my computer,and all is ok |
| 08:44.42 | cydork | cunzhang: so is your usb mouse working? |
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| 08:44.44 | CAiRO | how can i achieve, that programs that i start from the gnome panel get the environment as if i have a line "source /etc/profile"? |
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| 08:45.00 | cunzhang | cydork,I think it doesn't work |
| 08:45.06 | Piet | what exactly makes the difference between system and normal users? Is it just the uid? Or the availability of a shell, or whether a login is possible? |
| 08:45.32 | cydork | cunzhang: check dmesg and lsusb to check if it gets detected. |
| 08:45.41 | cunzhang | cydork,I add psmouse and mousedev into /etc/modules.I think its effect |
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| 08:47.24 | cydork | cunzhang: like i said usb mouse doesn't need psmouse or mousedev modules. but it should be there in the default debian kernel. which kernel are you using? |
| 08:47.38 | cunzhang | input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [HID 04d9:0499] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-1 |
| 08:47.47 | cunzhang | cydork,I use 2.6.18 |
| 08:47.55 | cydork | cunzhang: sid? |
| 08:48.10 | cydork | cunzhang: or did you compile it your self? |
| 08:48.13 | cunzhang | cydork,yes install using debootstrap |
| 08:48.20 | cunzhang | mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 08:49.28 | cunzhang | cydork,I install it using apt-get install |
| 08:51.08 | cydork | cunzhang: check if usbcore and uhci_hcd modules are loaded |
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| 08:51.48 | cunzhang | cydork,yes |
| 08:51.58 | cunzhang | cydork,lsmod can find them |
| 08:52.39 | kb3ien | is there a way to list install packages quickly ? |
| 08:53.01 | azeem | kb3ien: installed packages you mean? |
| 08:53.09 | kb3ien | yes. |
| 08:53.20 | azeem | dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 08:53.20 | dpkg | ii | grep ^ii 1.7-13.1 azeem's private stamp collection |
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| 08:53.25 | azeem | dpkg: shuddup |
| 08:53.26 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 08:53.33 | cydork | haha |
| 08:53.35 | OptimusPrime | obedience |
| 08:54.13 | cydork | cunzhang: cat /dev/input/mice and move your mouse :P |
| 08:54.44 | g333k | how can I do to execute the no-ip daemon everytime I turn on my PC? |
| 08:54.51 | cunzhang | cydork,mice is my mouse drive |
| 08:54.57 | cunzhang | cydork,mice is my mouse dev |
| 08:55.13 | OptimusPrime | cydork, whats it do |
| 08:55.39 | cydork | OptimusPrime: check it ;) |
| 08:55.42 | cunzhang | OptimusPrime,it read mouse |
| 08:56.02 | cydork | cunzhang: it's works?? |
| 08:56.09 | cunzhang | cydork,yes it works |
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| 08:56.25 | cydork | cunzhang: then your mouse works fine.. :) |
| 08:56.32 | cunzhang | cydork,yes |
| 08:56.54 | cunzhang | cydork,:) |
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| 08:57.28 | cunzhang | cydork,thank you for your help :) |
| 08:57.32 | OptimusPrime | no such device for me |
| 08:57.45 | cydork | OptimusPrime: which version on debian are you using? |
| 08:57.50 | OptimusPrime | sarge |
| 08:57.51 | cunzhang | OptimusPrime,maybe psaux |
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| 08:58.06 | cydork | OptimusPrime: then try cat /dev/psaux |
| 08:58.23 | cunzhang | OptimusPrime,what mouse are you using? PS/2 or USB? |
| 08:58.36 | OptimusPrime | emmm.... USB over vnc? |
| 08:58.49 | g333k | how can I do to execute a daemon everytime I turn on my PC? |
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| 08:59.09 | cydork | !tell g333k about startup |
| 08:59.15 | OptimusPrime | g333k, put it in xinitrc or something |
| 08:59.37 | cydork | !tell OptimusPrime about startup |
| 08:59.44 | OptimusPrime | huwhat |
| 09:00.04 | OptimusPrime | well okay, you could also do that |
| 09:00.39 | cunzhang | OptimusPrime,u just cat the dev your mouse use ,then u can find your mouse's move |
| 09:01.31 | roxy_ | is there a place to find the proper filter for a printer apart from linuxprinting.org ? |
| 09:01.34 | OptimusPrime | not sure whats being used though.. theres no physical mouse at the physical machine being used |
| 09:01.42 | kapowaz | can anybody recommend a decent primer to using multiple IP addresses on a single machine (server) ? |
| 09:01.46 | OptimusPrime | just my usb mouse from my computer accesing via vnc |
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| 09:02.25 | cunzhang | OptimusPrime,then I don't know . I have never used vnc :) |
| 09:02.35 | cydork | kapowaz: on same interface? |
| 09:03.16 | kb3ien | cool, whipped up a script to get all sources for all installed programmes. |
| 09:04.30 | cunzhang | cydork,thank you for your help.I will be out :) |
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| 09:06.12 | kapowaz | cydork: yes |
| 09:06.52 | kapowaz | I was under the impression you needed multiple interfaces for multiple IP addresses, but my new hosting provider says this dedicated box comes with 5 IPs, and it has only one NIC |
| 09:07.10 | kapowaz | I've never used a debian box with more than one NIC anyway |
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| 09:09.18 | diskus | it doesn't mater if it's debian or not, you can have many ip's on same interface |
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| 09:12.01 | rhalff | anyone able to install mysql-server-5.0 with dot deb packages ? I get dependancy problems |
| 09:12.18 | OptimusPrime | quit smoking! |
| 09:12.21 | OptimusPrime | :( |
| 09:12.26 | azeem | rhalff: don't use dot deb |
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| 09:12.48 | rhalff | azeem, what to use if I wan't to run mysql 5 on stable ? |
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| 09:14.01 | wols_ | rhalff: a backport |
| 09:14.18 | wols_ | !backports |
| 09:14.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 09:14.28 | rhalff | wols_, ah ok, but I get dependancy problems with that also |
| 09:15.58 | wols_ | rhalff: have you ever heard of error messages? |
| 09:17.32 | rhalff | wols_, yes: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rLyGKz58.html |
| 09:18.21 | CAiRO | wow, i managed to monitor my sata disks even though everybody in here told me it wasn't possible because sata is a different protocol as ata |
| 09:18.29 | CAiRO | monitor with smart |
| 09:18.40 | cydork | !tell kapowaz about ipalias |
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| 09:19.18 | OptimusPrime | how do i stop tor and start tor when i want to use it |
| 09:19.23 | wols_ | CAiRO: who did? you can even check SCSI disks |
| 09:19.36 | wols_ | rhalff: then maybe install the dependencies? |
| 09:19.38 | CAiRO | i can look that up in my logs |
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| 09:19.45 | wols_ | rhalff: and read the backports.org docs? |
| 09:19.58 | wols_ | OptimusPrime: /etc/init.d/tor |
| 09:20.00 | cydork | OptimusPrime: man invoke-rc.d |
| 09:20.17 | rhalff | wols_, apt-get -tsarge/backports install lsb-base just installs lsb-base-2.0.7 |
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| 09:21.05 | rhalff | wols_, ah ok I'll do what is in the docs :p |
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| 09:22.22 | CAiRO | wols_: seems you've been one of them, should i paste the lines? :) |
| 09:22.31 | CAiRO | and enouf |
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| 09:24.34 | rhalff | wols_, thanks it is installing now |
| 09:24.34 | teledyn | is there now chkconfig for debian? i see the new INIT INFO section in rc scripts |
| 09:24.48 | ma3x | why when I go to my apache www directory, it always gives me a phtml file to download? and there are is no phtml file at all in that directory |
| 09:25.21 | OptimusPrime | cydork, why do i have to be root to do anything |
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| 09:27.55 | OptimusPrime | okay, how do i run the samba configuration that appeared when i first installed it again? |
| 09:28.08 | teledyn | OptimusPrime: dpkg -reconfigure <package> |
| 09:28.13 | cydork | OptimusPrime: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:28.16 | teledyn | OptimusPrime: dpkg -reconfigure -plow <package> |
| 09:29.07 | OptimusPrime | saweet |
| 09:29.07 | teledyn | OptimusPrime: dpkg-reconfigure -plow <package> |
| 09:29.07 | teledyn | no space |
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| 09:29.21 | cydork | teledyn: it's low by default so no need for that too i guess |
| 09:29.31 | teledyn | no |
| 09:29.57 | cydork | teledyn: dpkg-reconfigure normally shows low priority |
| 09:30.01 | cydork | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.11 | cydork | teledyn: that is from the man page :P |
| 09:32.12 | teledyn | what is the point of setting it then? |
| 09:32.24 | teledyn | oh, that's only on new installs? |
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| 09:34.02 | cydork | teledyn: you can set it to high for somthings to do it automagically :P |
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| 09:44.36 | freearly | adduser --home /opt/upload -ingroup root --shell /usr/bin/nologin free |
| 09:44.58 | freearly | But I　can not use the user free to login the ftp server |
| 09:45.06 | freearly | I　use vsftpd |
| 09:45.51 | freearly | How should I do that |
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| 09:47.44 | thirst | greetings! |
| 09:47.53 | zepmantra | hello, what is a good wireless pci card that will work with sarge out of the box |
| 09:47.57 | bizinichi` | that's a secret |
| 09:48.14 | freearly | anyone here have meet the question |
| 09:48.45 | thirst | when i install mysql-server-5.0 using apt-get I get this error "/etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full!" when there is plenty of space in /var. could anyone give me a fix for this please |
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| 09:50.09 | rhalff | zepmantra, you really need an accespoint or just be a client |
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| 09:51.08 | rhalff | s/really// |
| 09:51.23 | cydork | thirst: which version of debian are you using? |
| 09:51.41 | freearly | cydork etch |
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| 09:52.28 | zepmantra | a client ... i have a linksys usbwireless card, but i have no luck in debian, works fine in ubuntu |
| 09:52.29 | thirst | cydork: testing - etch |
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| 09:53.27 | liable | thirst: how do you know theres lots of room? |
| 09:53.44 | liable | thirst: whats df -h /var say? |
| 09:54.30 | Guerin | do you mean du -sh /var? |
| 09:54.36 | rhalff | zepmantra, so just use ubuntu :p |
| 09:54.37 | cydork | zepmantra: how do you run it in ubuntu? |
| 09:54.46 | cydork | Guerin: nope he meant df :P |
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| 09:54.51 | Guerin | oh, look at that |
| 09:54.57 | Guerin | i never knew df could do that |
| 09:55.15 | rhalff | wireless support hasn't been commited to debian stable yet, probably :p |
| 09:55.15 | zepmantra | it just works after installation, |
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| 09:55.43 | zepmantra | i might just try pci linksys wmp54g, since debian has many tools via apt-get unlike ubuntu |
| 09:55.51 | cydork | zepmantra: i have a usb wifi adaptor works great with ndiswrapper on debian |
| 09:55.54 | meowsqeak | does anyone know/remember what version of MediaWiki debian Sid had about a week ago? Is there a way I can find out, please? |
| 09:56.00 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 09:56.00 | dpkg | i heard sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 09:56.08 | Guerin | meowsqeak: ↑ |
| 09:56.21 | liable | showoff |
| 09:56.34 | meowsqeak | Guerin: thanks, looking now |
| 09:56.42 | liable | with your little arrows :P |
| 09:56.49 | Guerin | liable: just because I çåñ |
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| 10:06.22 | spamhog | I *partly* fried the secondary IDE channel: CD opens on command and ID shows in dmesg, but not recced by BIOS. DO we have a diagnostic for the channel as opposed to the drive? |
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| 10:08.15 | Schalken | during installation, is it possible to select kde instead of gnome? |
| 10:08.36 | cydork | Schalken: just dont select desktop env. in tasksel. |
| 10:08.46 | cydork | !install kde |
| 10:08.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 10:08.54 | cydork | Schalken: then use this ^^ |
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| 10:09.27 | andreiutz | i have debian sarge . why the "wich" command isn't available ? |
| 10:09.58 | blondie | the witch command? |
| 10:09.59 | dimir | it's which |
| 10:10.13 | Schalken | cydork: if i select to not install a DE, am i then presented with a CLI at boot, at which i can do 'sudo apt-get install kde'? |
| 10:10.20 | andreiutz | why don't i have the wich command ? |
| 10:10.29 | dimir | it's which! |
| 10:10.33 | cydork | andreiutz: there is not wich command |
| 10:10.55 | liable | spamhog: would think the kernel would spew plenty of errors if it didnt like it. you saying bios dont like it but the kernel still sees it? |
| 10:10.56 | andreiutz | cydork, ohhh . sorry |
| 10:10.59 | cydork | Schalken: you have to login as root and the do apt-get install dke |
| 10:11.02 | andreiutz | cydork, thanks |
| 10:12.12 | Schalken | cydork: i see. and then i can reboot log into kde as though it was installed from the beginning? |
| 10:12.33 | Schalken | reboot and log into* |
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| 10:13.02 | cydork | Schalken: you dont have to reboot :) |
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| 10:13.23 | Schalken | cydork: okay, how would i then start kdm? |
| 10:13.29 | ch4n5 | HAL deamon can't be initialized. How to fix this error? |
| 10:13.55 | cydork | Schalken: man invoke-rc.d or you can even use init.d scripts |
| 10:14.18 | manzneri | how do i install another ethernet card, haven't added anything to my linux computer ever :D |
| 10:14.41 | Schalken | cydork: o...kay. |
| 10:14.51 | Schalken | im just looking at the osdir screens for etch beta 3 |
| 10:16.00 | Schalken | whats the 'single-user mode' option in the grub menu do? |
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| 10:22.37 | liable | Schalken: boots the kernel without x and a few other services you might or might not have installed |
| 10:23.00 | liable | Schalken: basically a rescue mode |
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| 10:23.22 | capoenk_chogan | ellie_beauty2000 |
| 10:23.45 | liable | wrong window? |
| 10:24.16 | Schalken | liable: ahhhh so it's like the 'recovery mode' in ubuntu? |
| 10:24.29 | liable | Schalken: yeah, but no x |
| 10:24.54 | Schalken | liable: does it give you a root terminal? |
| 10:25.02 | liable | doesnt the ubuntu one still start x? |
| 10:25.15 | liable | Schalken: its just boots to console |
| 10:25.48 | Schalken | liable: no ubuntu's doesn't start X, just boots into a root terminal |
| 10:25.57 | cydork | Schalken: same here then |
| 10:25.59 | liable | ok |
| 10:26.26 | liable | you still need to login for root |
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| 10:26.40 | boguh | how can i see if a file is in utf8? |
| 10:27.02 | cydork | liable: for single user mode? |
| 10:27.25 | Schalken | liable: so does it give you a root terminal? |
| 10:27.33 | liable | cydork: yes |
| 10:28.08 | liable | cydork: er, for the grub one, if you edit the kernel line, to innit=/bin/sh, then no |
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| 10:28.29 | liable | Schalken: you still need a password |
| 10:28.56 | Schalken | liable: ahhh so it can't exactly rescue you from forgetting the root password like ubuntu's can ;) |
| 10:29.17 | Schalken | liable: then again its obviously alot more secure that way |
| 10:29.27 | liable | Schalken: you can, but not just by booting that option without editing the kernel line |
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| 10:29.40 | liable | Schalken: if ubuntu allows that, then its demented |
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| 10:30.05 | lilalinux | I'm looking for a backport of mysql4 for etch |
| 10:30.28 | liable | Schalken: i was under the impression that ubuntu's rescue mode still started x. i must be mistaken |
| 10:30.35 | Schalken | liable: lol well being for personal desktops that kind of security isn't much of a priority |
| 10:31.51 | Schalken | liable: what would you have to edit in the kernel line to make 'single-user mode' it auto-login as root? |
| 10:32.18 | liable | Schalken: see what i said to cydork , or /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 10:32.46 | blondie | lilalinux: a backport? don't you mean a forwardport? |
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| 10:36.23 | roxy_ | is it possible to do all dpkg && apt-get task via aptitude ? |
| 10:36.48 | blondie | no, aptitude doesn't provide dpkg's factoids |
| 10:37.47 | roxy_ | blondie: what is a factoids ? I use dpkg -L -l -s and -S are they factoids ? |
| 10:38.04 | blondie | no |
| 10:38.08 | blondie | I meant the bot |
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| 10:38.25 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 10:38.57 | roxy_ | I was already looking at factoids in my dictionnary |
| 10:41.07 | x_link | Hi folx! |
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| 10:43.22 | Joelio | hey guys. I want to install phpmyadmin via apt-get, but I don't want to use apache* - as I use lighttpd.. is there anyway to mask off the apache parts? |
| 10:43.47 | Joelio | oh and the php* stuff |
| 10:43.57 | blondie | you need php |
| 10:44.17 | Joelio | I know, but I have php-cgi via a fastcgi handler already setup ;) |
| 10:44.42 | Joelio | basicall the modphp stuff isnt't needed (this is on etch b.t..w) |
| 10:44.46 | blondie | dunno, you probably need to install phpmyadmin manually |
| 10:44.51 | Joelio | drat, |
| 10:45.05 | Schalken | Joelio: id like to help but ive only used LAMP |
| 10:45.36 | Joelio | no worry, I seem to remember some installers have a selection within dpkg-reconfigure to allow to to select which HTTP server |
| 10:46.54 | Joelio | I'm right in thinking the usual checkinstall buildtool stuff won't work either due to the non-existance of the makefiles (it is a php app agter all, lol) |
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| 10:47.40 | Fox | Schalken: lighttpd provides httpd, then phpmyadmin shouldn't need to install apache via apt |
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| 10:47.50 | Joelio | it tries to though |
| 10:48.12 | Joelio | it's in the REQUIRES section i.i.r.c. |
| 10:48.19 | lilalinux | blondie: oh, yeah I meant a forwardport |
| 10:48.52 | Fox | Joelio: apache2 | httpd |
| 10:48.59 | Fox | and lighttpd provides httpd |
| 10:49.15 | SerajewelKS | which dictionary package would i need for spell checking in gnome apps? |
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| 10:49.33 | liable | apache isnt even a direct depends of it |
| 10:49.40 | liable | or a httpd even |
| 10:50.01 | liable | SerajewelKS: myspell-en-foo |
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| 10:50.15 | liable | or foo-foo |
| 10:50.46 | SerajewelKS | liable: i have myspell-en-us installed, but gossip says i don't have any dictionaries installed |
| 10:51.14 | Joelio | liable: When I'm installing phpmyadmin via apt-get it requires me to select which apache I want to configure |
| 10:51.43 | Fox | ... |
| 10:51.43 | Fox | this is the debconf part |
| 10:52.33 | liable | SerajewelKS: hrm |
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| 10:52.53 | liable | SerajewelKS: gnome-spell? |
| 10:53.21 | liable | SerajewelKS: dunno actually, thought myspell would cover it |
| 10:53.43 | SerajewelKS | liable: yeah i don't have that |
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| 10:53.57 | OptimusPrime | i wanna run something on startup but i dont want to give it any special privelegieds, does that mean i cant stick it into rc.d script |
| 10:53.59 | SerajewelKS | liable: it seems gnome-spell wants aspell, not myspell |
| 10:54.05 | OptimusPrime | where would i stick it? |
| 10:54.24 | SerajewelKS | liable: that did the trick |
| 10:54.30 | liable | cool |
| 10:56.34 | Fox | OptimusPrime: use @reboot in your crontab ? |
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| 10:56.53 | OptimusPrime | i dont use crontab, what else can i do :( |
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| 10:57.29 | blondie | OptimusPrime: use it |
| 10:57.39 | Fox | you don't want to use rc.d scripts, you don't want to use crontab... go to hell :) |
| 10:57.57 | liable | OptimusPrime: depends how you start x |
| 10:58.10 | OptimusPrime | ok i was thinkin bout that, ill stick it into .xinitrc |
| 10:58.17 | OptimusPrime | but what if i dont start x |
| 10:58.19 | liable | OptimusPrime: kde and gnome have ways, or you can start it from xinitrc too |
| 10:58.19 | OptimusPrime | :o |
| 10:58.43 | Joelio | Fox: Doh! sorry mate, my bad.. I just don't select any apache and add the config to lighty manually |
| 10:58.50 | Fox | what does he want to start ? |
| 10:58.51 | OptimusPrime | maybe i can stick it into .bashrc then? |
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| 10:59.03 | liable | OptimusPrime: that would be my guess |
| 10:59.06 | Fox | Joelio: go to hell with OptimusPrime please ;) |
| 10:59.20 | OptimusPrime | haha come with me on my magic carpet |
| 10:59.25 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:59.25 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:01.02 | SerajewelKS | cool so now i have jabber set up and no contacts |
| 11:01.37 | SerajewelKS | in general, which jabber client would you all recommend? i'm using gossip ATM. |
| 11:01.43 | basix | hi people...i want to replace my existing linux home server with new hardware. i want a cpu/mobo combination which runs cool and is power efficient. and yes it has to be cheap. nothing over $100. any ideas? |
| 11:02.04 | liable | basix: try #hardware |
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| 11:02.19 | petemc | you can buy a server for less than $100 ? |
| 11:02.47 | liable | cpu/mobo |
| 11:02.58 | CAiRO | wow, hans reiser has been arrested for possibly murdering his wife |
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| 11:03.09 | basix | ok cool |
| 11:03.32 | wols_ | basix: athlon xp |
| 11:03.44 | wols_ | with a asrock or ECS mobo or such |
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| 11:04.31 | basix | wols_, are all the on board devices properly supported? I am not looking to build a MCE. Something like a basic firewall, back up box. |
| 11:05.11 | wols_ | basix: depends on the mobo, now doesn't it? but yes, nf2 mobos are fully supported for example |
| 11:05.21 | cydork | basix: what about VIA EPIA Nehemiah M10000G or something like that :P |
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| 11:05.34 | basix | wols_, ok |
| 11:05.37 | wols_ | cydork: price/performance sucks unless you want small footprint too |
| 11:05.38 | SerajewelKS | CAiRO: that sucks |
| 11:06.04 | OptimusPrime | oh crap |
| 11:06.07 | OptimusPrime | i have homework |
| 11:06.08 | wols_ | cydork: especially when you look at prices for cases... |
| 11:06.10 | basix | cydork, umm i dunno |
| 11:06.30 | SerajewelKS | CAiRO: lilo killed, reiser arrested for murder... who's next, linus? |
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| 11:07.01 | cydork | wols_: oh ok. i never tried it though. |
| 11:07.13 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: RMS will be deported to gitmo: terror suspect (think unabomber) |
| 11:07.44 | SerajewelKS | wols_: i wouldn't be surprised... |
| 11:07.44 | cydork | wols_: heh i thought he was linked to osama :P |
| 11:08.08 | CAiRO | oh, i didn't know lilo was killed, what a sad thing |
| 11:08.38 | SerajewelKS | i never noticed but RMS looks kinda like jimbo |
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| 11:09.07 | RichiH | probably because he does not ;) |
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| 11:10.04 | liable | jimbo jones? |
| 11:10.05 | SerajewelKS | if it weren't for the hippie hair, i think he might. the eyes particularly. |
| 11:10.09 | SerajewelKS | wales |
| 11:10.59 | SerajewelKS | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RichardStallmanBrussels.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WM2006_0060.jpg |
| 11:11.04 | basix | cydork, is that nehemiah board support properly by Sarge? |
| 11:11.26 | SerajewelKS | i think it's pretty close anyway |
| 11:12.00 | cydork | basix: i haven't tried it but they give linux drivers for sure. |
| 11:12.23 | liable | SerajewelKS: are you serious? |
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| 11:12.44 | liable | stallman looks more like charles manson than that other dude |
| 11:12.54 | sll | hi! |
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| 11:13.20 | SerajewelKS | liable: ignore the hair |
| 11:13.22 | ahewitt | hi all...I have a file with a bunch of entries listed as "blah :: blah2"....I am writing a bash script that takes each line and assigns blah to one variable and blah2 to another....however if I do "for i in `cat file.txt`; do echo $i; done"...It splits "blah", "::" and "blah2" into seperate lines. Can someone tell me if this is a bash deal or do I have some wierd characters in my file?? |
| 11:13.36 | liable | SerajewelKS: pretty fucking hard to :) |
| 11:13.48 | SerajewelKS | liable: very true |
| 11:14.07 | SerajewelKS | liable: the "other guy" is the founder of wikimedia FWIW |
| 11:14.16 | basix | cydork, i hate installing drivers :( i like everything supported out of the box |
| 11:14.34 | cydork | basix: use mac :P |
| 11:14.45 | sll | I just install debian i386, but I want know if I install Debian i686 i will have problems with any aplications? |
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| 11:15.09 | wols_ | some interviewer should ask RMS "How do you care for your hair? What shampoo, what lotion?" just once :) |
| 11:15.27 | wols_ | sll: there is not debian i686 |
| 11:15.30 | wols_ | *no |
| 11:15.46 | sll | 64 bits |
| 11:15.57 | azeem | sll: what CPU do you have? |
| 11:16.02 | wols_ | that's amd64, not i686. totally different things |
| 11:16.02 | sll | core 2 duo |
| 11:16.08 | roxy_ | how can I see the different version available for package cupsys ? |
| 11:16.18 | wols_ | and yes you will get problems. things like flash and other 32bit only closed source software |
| 11:16.27 | wols_ | roxy_: apt-cache show policy |
| 11:16.36 | wols_ | apt-cache policy that is. mea culpa |
| 11:16.56 | streuner | fuck, "Reise" is in serious fucked situation |
| 11:17.03 | streuner | s/Reise/Reiser/ |
| 11:17.05 | Allman | you mean Reiser? |
| 11:17.06 | basix | cydork, if i had that kinda money... i would've bought an entire datacentre :P |
| 11:17.22 | Allman | streuner: I believe it was Nina's new boyfriend who did it.. |
| 11:17.31 | Allman | ..he is probably trying to frame Reiser.. |
| 11:17.40 | Yamaraj | Reiser is in legal custody now. |
| 11:17.47 | streuner | Allman: oh, she had a new bf, didn't know that |
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| 11:18.05 | sll | I have a core 2 duo, what Debian should I install? |
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| 11:18.12 | roxy_ | wols_: I am on unstable. But cupsys stoped working (it refuses me to log in as root). What is the best way to install the previous version? |
| 11:18.18 | SerajewelKS | which jabber client do you all prefer? i can't decide between gossip and gajim. |
| 11:18.28 | wols_ | sll: i386 unless you have a really good reason to run 64bit debian |
| 11:18.31 | Yamaraj | Does her "new boyfriend" hate ReiserFS4 by any chance? Is he a kernel developer? |
| 11:18.40 | liable | core duo are 64 bit? |
| 11:18.42 | Allman | man, read the San Francisco chronicle: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/BAGERLM3RR15.DTL |
| 11:18.45 | wols_ | roxy_: either use etch's or use snapshots.debian.org |
| 11:18.50 | wols_ | liable: yes |
| 11:18.55 | sll | liable, I think so |
| 11:19.09 | wols_ | liable: no one can bring out a 32bit only cpu nowadays, especially not the market leader |
| 11:19.15 | Allman | SerajewelKS: that's easy, stop using stuff that starts with a G.. install PSI..works quite well :-) |
| 11:19.31 | liable | wols_: i just didnt know they did a 64 bit version of it |
| 11:19.40 | oxyride | well, Did Han Reiser murder his wife? |
| 11:19.41 | SerajewelKS | Allman: PSI is a qt app, no? |
| 11:19.45 | Allman | yep |
| 11:19.50 | oxyride | O.o |
| 11:19.52 | wols_ | oxyride: no one knows. yet |
| 11:20.01 | Allman | why would he do so? |
| 11:20.05 | SerajewelKS | Allman: i'm trying to move away from the KDE world |
| 11:20.08 | Allman | how come? |
| 11:20.13 | wols_ | Allman: jealousy, alimony, etc |
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| 11:20.35 | oxyride | bad news it is... |
| 11:20.49 | Allman | SerajewelKS: how come you want to move away from something that actually works in GNU/Linux world..? |
| 11:20.53 | SerajewelKS | Allman: i've discovered that i like gnome better, and i have issues with building a "free" desktop on a fundamentally nonfree widget toolkit. |
| 11:20.58 | Allman | wols_: might be, but still.. kinda strange.. |
| 11:21.10 | Allman | SerajewelKS: ok, I see. |
| 11:21.43 | SerajewelKS | Allman: i do miss the configurability of KDE, but GNOME's simplicity has its advantage too. |
| 11:21.46 | Yamaraj | SerajewelKS: Your hardware isn't "Free" either. Have you considered that yet? |
| 11:21.48 | Allman | wols_: I think he is a bit smarter than that..I mean, come on.. everybody who has watched Discovery channel on Thursdays knows that murderers get caught.. :) |
| 11:22.12 | SerajewelKS | Allman: i spend less time tweaking things and more time actually getting stuff done =) |
| 11:22.16 | sll | then I heared somthing like OppenOffice or Owner aplications don't runs well in a 64b |
| 11:22.27 | Allman | SerajewelKS: ok, sure.. I respect your choice.. let's not start a big discussion our of this.. I like KDE better, you like Gnome.. that's all. |
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| 11:22.38 | SerajewelKS | Allman: indeed |
| 11:22.50 | xirjs | shit i have a problem with my sid-installation ... it removed me a lot of things ... |
| 11:22.58 | Allman | anyway, I wonder.. if Hans goes to jail.. will he be allowed to complete the stuff he is working on? |
| 11:23.02 | roxy_ | wols_: thanks |
| 11:23.07 | xirjs | in which package are the x-drivers included ... like vesa ... |
| 11:23.07 | xirjs | ? |
| 11:23.08 | SerajewelKS | Allman: but i've used KDE for basically my entire linux life, that being ~5 years |
| 11:23.36 | SerajewelKS | Allman: so for whatever that's worth, i do respect both sides of the aisle |
| 11:23.46 | Allman | yep |
| 11:23.47 | Allman | good good |
| 11:24.24 | SerajewelKS | Yamaraj: software can be free since it's free to distribute (bandwidth costs being negligible). hardware takes natural resources so cannot be free without generating loss for the producer. |
| 11:24.34 | x_link | Hey |
| 11:24.34 | Yamaraj | Allman: Maybe he will work on the FS, but only and if only a nearby Bubba lets him do that. |
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| 11:25.01 | x_link | I changed some colors and stuff but I reset everything to default. |
| 11:25.03 | roxy_ | wols_: is it: http://snapshots.debian.org ? the host is unknown . |
| 11:25.31 | streuner | !sdn |
| 11:25.31 | dpkg | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 11:25.34 | x_link | But now I'm in www.kde.org, I want to send them a mail. But when I write my e-mail the letters are lightlblue. |
| 11:25.42 | x_link | How can I change it to black, like it was before ? |
| 11:25.43 | Allman | we'll see.. I wonder what kind of evidence the police found on that door and carpet they confiscated.. probably bloodstains, but that does not mean that he actually killed Nina.. as I said: I think it's Anthony who is pulling the strings here.. |
| 11:25.47 | streuner | roxy_: s/org/net/ |
| 11:25.49 | roxy_ | streuner: thanks |
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| 11:26.18 | Yamaraj | SerajewelKS: I was only pointing out that the concept of a completely free desktop is not very viable. Since I'm known to have issues with philosophies, those of RMS in particular, I'll leave it at that. |
| 11:26.46 | Allman | Is anyone in here running Debian on an SGI Indy 4400/200MHz? |
| 11:27.07 | roxy_ | streuner: the Reiser story: http://cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2006/09/13/n/HeadlineNews/HOME-SEARCHED/resources_bcn_html |
| 11:27.26 | Yamaraj | Allman: Anthony who? |
| 11:27.52 | Allman | Yamaraj: you know, Nina's new bf.. |
| 11:27.57 | x_link | Can somebody please help me? |
| 11:27.58 | Allman | he has a strange surname.. |
| 11:27.59 | Allman | hang on.. |
| 11:28.02 | Yamaraj | Ah! I see. |
| 11:28.02 | SerajewelKS | Yamaraj: the hardware isn't a concern though. it's responsible for interfacing the hardware to the user. i do use the nonfree nvidia drivers. but the software part can be free, and is a viable option. |
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| 11:28.17 | Allman | Yamaraj: Anthony Zografos |
| 11:28.27 | Yamaraj | Weird indeed. |
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| 11:28.43 | Allman | might be russian.. Nina is from former USSR |
| 11:29.01 | Yamaraj | *was |
| 11:29.15 | SerajewelKS | Yamaraj: if you are referring to the software portion too then i would respectfully suggest that you look into a popular nonfree desktop |
| 11:29.27 | Sypher | Hello everyone ... one question; i have a server that has probably been compromised, but yet i can not proceed into a format & subsequently reinstall all the system ... is there a way to like, hum, redo everything without having to reinstall the system from the base cdrom ? |
| 11:29.40 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: debootstrap |
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| 11:29.57 | Yamaraj | SerajewelKS: And that would be ...? |
| 11:30.04 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: why exactly can you not format? |
| 11:30.20 | SerajewelKS | Yamaraj: you cannot guess? ;) |
| 11:30.28 | liable | x_link: its a good way to demonstrate to them what your problem is :) |
| 11:30.36 | Sypher | my main problem at the moment is that i have 30 minutes left, and a system that i cannot reinstall via the normal cdrom because that does not recognize the sata2 hard disk ... ;P |
| 11:30.47 | Yamaraj | SerajewelKS: I want you to blaspheme. ;-) |
| 11:30.52 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: then debootstrap is what you want |
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| 11:31.04 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, that can be used remotely? |
| 11:31.13 | x_link | liable: I changed some colors and stuff, but I changed it back to default. |
| 11:31.17 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: erm not really |
| 11:31.24 | x_link | Now when I go to a site all my letteres are blue. |
| 11:31.27 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: it installs a debian system into a folder |
| 11:31.31 | x_link | I can't find where to set it back to black. |
| 11:31.47 | x_link | I changed something in Control Center -- Appearance & Themes -- Colors |
| 11:32.07 | x_link | I can't have the letters in lightblue, can somebody please help me to change it back to black. |
| 11:32.22 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: so if you repartition, or boot from a cd that has the sata module you need, you can format, mount your / on a folder on the livecd (say /mnt/base) and "debootstrap sarge /mnt/base" |
| 11:32.43 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: then install the bootloader and reboot. (don't forget to install openssh-server) |
| 11:33.11 | Allman | haha, this extacy/bondage part is fun... |
| 11:33.17 | Allman | (Reiser story= |
| 11:33.18 | Allman | ) |
| 11:33.23 | Yamaraj | That said, I'm okay with free as in free beer. I don't quite feel comfortable with the idea that one must strip naked to feel real freedom. |
| 11:33.24 | Sypher | other ways, maybe via apt to reinstall all the packages and reconfigure the base system? ;) |
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| 11:33.47 | x_link | Allman, Sypher , SerajewelKS .Please, can you guys help me with this ? |
| 11:33.50 | x_link | I beg you. |
| 11:33.51 | SerajewelKS | Yamaraj: haha, well, i'm not opposed to people using nonfree OSes... but if you don't thing a free-as-in-speech desktop is viable... well there are plenty of examples |
| 11:33.53 | Yamaraj | Allman: Link please? |
| 11:33.58 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, im just trying to avoid 3 staircases with the server on my shoulder ... |
| 11:34.08 | SerajewelKS | x_link: i don't understand your problem |
| 11:34.09 | Allman | Reiser said Sturgeon "worked with my wife Nina Reiser and eventually drugged her with ecstasy and seduced her." |
| 11:34.09 | Allman | Reiser alleged, "He then engaged in Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism techniques and continued to redrug her repeatedly over time." |
| 11:34.12 | Allman | from: |
| 11:34.18 | Allman | http://cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2006/09/13/n/HeadlineNews/HOME-SEARCHED/resources_bcn_html |
| 11:34.38 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: aha, well... umm, that's probably going to have to happen |
| 11:34.46 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, damn ... :) |
| 11:34.50 | Yamaraj | And he was standing there with them during the whole ordeal? Threesome, maybe? |
| 11:34.56 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: or pull a crappy monitor from somewhere and plug it in |
| 11:35.00 | wols_ | x_link: just don't send html mail |
| 11:35.09 | x_link | SerajewelKS: When I go to a site, for example www.kde.org. I want to send them a e-mail. But I write my e-mail in that small window the letters are blue. |
| 11:35.11 | Yamaraj | ReiserFS just got kinky for me. |
| 11:35.16 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, no, much better to pull a crappy employee to do that for me. brb. |
| 11:35.17 | ThomasPorter | I plugged an external HD into my debian box... Its a usb drive.. it doesn't apear in the media dir.. how do I get it working? |
| 11:35.22 | SerajewelKS | x_link: which "small window" |
| 11:35.28 | x_link | wols_: It's not just the e-mail, when I write in google it's like that also. |
| 11:35.30 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: or that |
| 11:35.32 | Sypher | ;P |
| 11:35.33 | x_link | In the search bar or what ever |
| 11:35.37 | Allman | haha, KinkyFS |
| 11:35.38 | Allman | :-D |
| 11:35.39 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: you need to mount it |
| 11:35.45 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: lsusb |
| 11:35.45 | SerajewelKS | x_link: check your color settings? which desktop? |
| 11:36.00 | x_link | I can't find anything with that color |
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| 11:36.13 | Yamaraj | SerajewelKS: Well, I use Solaris which is "free" both ways. And I use Debian too. It's just that I don't agree with this "free" extremism. |
| 11:36.17 | SerajewelKS | x_link: which desktop? |
| 11:36.19 | wols_ | !tell ThomasPorter about usb-storage |
| 11:36.30 | ThomasPorter | wols_: thanks |
| 11:36.36 | x_link | SerajewelKS: What do you mean which desktop ? |
| 11:36.38 | x_link | brb |
| 11:36.42 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: kde |
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| 11:37.01 | SerajewelKS | Yamaraj: the reason that i think free-as-in-speech is necessary is because if it's not open source, you can't really be sure what it is doing |
| 11:37.14 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, another question ... when i do "route" command, it pulls out that gw is like "rfc-1819" ... |
| 11:37.26 | SerajewelKS | Yamaraj: it encourages people to be honest and not trojan their apps, etc. and it lets you change it if you need to. |
| 11:37.43 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: is that what the server's name is? |
| 11:37.53 | wols_ | Sypher: 1918? |
| 11:37.55 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, no, that reference isnt anywhere on my system AFAIK ... |
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| 11:38.04 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: do "route -n" |
| 11:38.04 | StyXman | hi all. I know this is incredibly OT, but didn't know where to ask. which would be a mid-range python developer salary near london? |
| 11:38.19 | wols_ | StyXman: ##python |
| 11:38.20 | roxy_ | I have cups working perfect on a debian unstable that has not been upgraded for a couple of week. It is not working in the one I upgrade everyday. When logged in has root cups says I am not authorized. Apart from cups... package, what other package can I check ? |
| 11:38.28 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: copy the IP address that takes its place and run "dig -x the_ip" |
| 11:38.30 | ThomasPorter | It seems very involved.. just to plug in a USB drive |
| 11:38.31 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, ye, in numeric formats the ip shows out, but i dont know why its showing me that rfc-1918 in the gw section .... |
| 11:38.36 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: and look in /etc/hosts |
| 11:38.40 | StyXman | wols_: rite |
| 11:38.41 | wols_ | roxy_: check your permissions |
| 11:38.49 | Sypher | /etc/hosts is clean |
| 11:38.52 | roxy_ | StyXman: you could have asked in #python for a start |
| 11:39.06 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: then check dig -x |
| 11:39.27 | Sypher | its an internal address, just so u know ... 10.0.0.201 |
| 11:39.32 | StyXman | roxy_: yes, ok |
| 11:39.56 | roxy_ | wols_: I am doing it as root. I get this message: Oct 11 13:34:57 home PAM-warn[32571]: function=[pam_sm_authenticate] service=[cupsys] terminal=[<unknown>] user=[root] ruser=[<unknown>] rhost=[<unknown>] |
| 11:39.56 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: funky |
| 11:39.56 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, yep ... |
| 11:39.57 | Sypher | i had recently a microsoft server hacked |
| 11:39.57 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: try digging the hostname itself |
| 11:39.57 | Sypher | so i was checking all the things in the firewall too |
| 11:40.01 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: does it resolve? |
| 11:40.04 | Sypher | and the firewall is working correctly AFAIK, except that thing ... |
| 11:40.20 | StyXman | thing is, I made a similar question about a sysadmin job a few months ago and got good answers here. |
| 11:40.32 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, dosnt resolve ... |
| 11:40.59 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: O_o |
| 11:41.04 | Sypher | yep its reaaally strange |
| 11:41.12 | Sypher | thats why i think of it as compromised and wanted to re-install ... |
| 11:41.28 | Sypher | but i can not find any other proofs than that at the moment ... |
| 11:41.45 | roxy_ | Sypher: you had a good answer about sys admin so you ask question about python ... :-) |
| 11:42.04 | roxy_ | Sypher: sorry , wrong nick |
| 11:42.35 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, wanna take a look at the routing table? ;P |
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| 11:42.50 | Sypher | 10.251.0.0 rfc-1918 255.255.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 11:42.59 | Sypher | full of those lines, only destination changes ... |
| 11:43.22 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: wtf |
| 11:43.33 | Sypher | but i am the one that setted all those up... |
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| 11:43.35 | Sypher | i mean, its correct |
| 11:43.38 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: that makes no sense... |
| 11:43.43 | Sypher | the only thing that i can not understand is WHY the rfc-1918 comes out |
| 11:43.53 | StyXman | Sypher: copy them all and paste it in a pastebin |
| 11:43.58 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: try a dig -x on the IP |
| 11:43.59 | Sypher | i setted them up with this, $ROUTE add -net 10.251.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 gw 10.0.0.201 |
| 11:44.06 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: it may resolve reverse |
| 11:44.08 | roxy_ | wols_: what permission could I possibly check ? |
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| 11:44.37 | Yamaraj | Hmm... this Sean Sturgeon looks very suspicious in his relations with Nina and Hans. What's with the "Death Yoga" in the contract? Hmm. |
| 11:44.59 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, does not resolve reverse. |
| 11:45.10 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, StyXman, one sec i will paste in pastebin ... |
| 11:45.29 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: and you're sure that /etc/hosts is clean |
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| 11:45.41 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, i will paste that too, so u see ... :D |
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| 11:47.34 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, StyXman; http://pastebin.ca/197548 |
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| 11:50.23 | rstandy | Hi, |
| 11:50.46 | rstandy | I need to do a custom install boot floppy disk |
| 11:50.52 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, StyXman, any clues ? |
| 11:51.07 | StyXman | Sypher: what dns servers are you using? |
| 11:51.08 | rstandy | Is there a good Howto for debian? |
| 11:51.16 | Sypher | StyXman, an outside one ... |
| 11:51.27 | rstandy | In particular I need to customize the kernel |
| 11:52.00 | Sypher | StyXman, 88.149.128.12 |
| 11:52.04 | jeff_hann | rstandy: have you looked at the documents at www.debian.org ? |
| 11:52.13 | StyXman | Sypher: gimme a sec |
| 11:52.39 | rstandy | jeff_hann: I found various documents for making more or less this sort of things |
| 11:52.59 | rstandy | jeff_hann: I want to know what people suggest |
| 11:53.10 | rstandy | jeff_hann: no time to read them all :-) |
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| 11:53.34 | jeff_hann | well,I think you better read them all |
| 11:53.35 | rstandy | in particular I need to add the a320raid module for an IBM server |
| 11:53.54 | StyXman | Sypher: try to run "strace route" and pastebin the (long) result |
| 11:53.54 | rstandy | jeff_hann: sigh, maybe |
| 11:54.16 | ThomasPorter | Okay.. I plugged in my maxtor usb drive and created /mnt/usb then did this: mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/usb ... but it came up with this error. mount: /dev/sda already mounted or /mnt/usb busy |
| 11:54.38 | jeff_hann | if you can't find there what you're looking for[unlikely,though :)] try www.kernel.org :) |
| 11:54.53 | Sypher | StyXman, sec |
| 11:54.54 | StyXman | ThomasPorter: a) is it already mounted? check the mount output. b) don't you really mean sda1? |
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| 11:55.21 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: RFC 1918 - Address Allocation for Private Internets |
| 11:55.25 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: weird... |
| 11:55.43 | rstandy | jeff_hann: thanks, I'll try kernel.org too |
| 11:55.47 | jeff_hann | np |
| 11:55.55 | StyXman | Sypher: are you using shorewall? |
| 11:55.59 | ThomasPorter | StyXman, I have no idea what i'm doing. I've never plugged a usb drive into debian before |
| 11:56.04 | dendrite | rstandy: /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 11:56.13 | Sypher | StyXman, http://pastebin.ca/197567 <--- strace. and no shorewall, i configured the firewall myself ... just a few lines. |
| 11:56.24 | jeff_hann | rstandy: the internet is full of docs about such things |
| 11:56.38 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, yup thats weird ... :/ thats why im almost at the point of formatting and reinstalling ;P |
| 11:56.44 | StyXman | ThomasPorter: htey behave just like any other IDE disk (partitions and all), but only seen as a SCSI disc (sda instead of hda) |
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| 11:57.08 | ThomasPorter | StyXman, no plug and play with debian? |
| 11:57.47 | ThomasPorter | StyXman, what should I be typing to mount it? |
| 11:58.10 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: what'a the devicename of the disk? |
| 11:58.22 | StyXman | Sypher: try disabling the nameservers... |
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| 11:58.31 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: and since it is a harddisk you cannot mount /dev/sda, you must mount it as /dev/sda1 |
| 11:58.31 | StyXman | comment them out in resolv.conf |
| 11:58.37 | ThomasPorter | wols_: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d49:3100 Maxtor |
| 11:58.38 | Sypher | ok sek |
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| 11:58.49 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: that's no devicename |
| 11:58.57 | StyXman | ThomasPorter: you can do plug and play w/ udev |
| 11:59.05 | Irdeto | Guys is there an Xorg 7.1 release? |
| 11:59.06 | Sypher | StyXman, now route works correctly ... |
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| 11:59.17 | ThomasPorter | wols_: How do I grab the device name? |
| 11:59.28 | Sypher | StyXman, if i decomment the first one, here it is again the rfc resolution ... |
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| 11:59.34 | StyXman | ThomasPorter: examine the last lines of the output of "dmesg". it should mendtion the new disk and its partitions |
| 11:59.58 | StyXman | if the disk is really new, it may have no partitions, so you have to partition it yourself |
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| 12:00.14 | Sypher | StyXman, maybe since its an internal IP im trying to resolve, the DNS resolves it as "go read the damn rfc-1918" ? :) |
| 12:00.21 | StyXman | Sypher: then that dns server must be borked |
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| 12:00.34 | Sypher | borked ? what do you mean? i dont know that english word, sorry, im not that good ... |
| 12:00.34 | StyXman | Sypher: no, I think not :) |
| 12:00.35 | tralala | Any ideas why a security update of xlibmesa-dri would have 73 megs smaller size? |
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| 12:00.51 | roxy_ | in the cupsys dependencies, apart from the libpam0g package, what package could do the authentification ? |
| 12:00.53 | StyXman | (you can setup a dns domain in a rfc-1918 network) |
| 12:00.56 | wols_ | tralala: 73MB? one package? |
| 12:01.22 | tralala | wols_: this is what aptitude says - it will free 73 megs upon update |
| 12:01.35 | ThomasPorter | StyXman, Its not there because I didn't plug it in... the server guy did.. ages ago though |
| 12:01.39 | wols_ | tralala: then check which packages it wants to remove |
| 12:01.44 | StyXman | Sypher: ahm, borked==broken, for some definition of it, most likely, misconfigured |
| 12:01.51 | tralala | wols_: no removes - only 1 update |
| 12:01.58 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: then guess |
| 12:02.02 | Sypher | StyXman, ok i will try to use another one; lemme check |
| 12:02.14 | StyXman | ThomasPorter: and you can't unlug and replug it, I assume... |
| 12:02.28 | ThomasPorter | StyXman, nah I can't :( |
| 12:02.34 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: but as I said: can't be "sda". must end with a number since it's a harddisk |
| 12:02.41 | ThomasPorter | StyXman, theres this all the way up the list: USB Mass Storage device found at 2 |
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| 12:03.04 | ThomasPorter | wols_: Okay i'll try 2 |
| 12:03.06 | StyXman | ThomasPorter: but no mention of a sdX disk, no? |
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| 12:03.08 | NoNaMeNo | hi to the 696 talkers |
| 12:03.09 | tralala | ThomasPorter: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 12:03.10 | NoNaMeNo | :P |
| 12:03.34 | Sypher | StyXman, yup it works this way ... wtf ... i got sooo paranoic about that thing ... GRRR ... thanks for the help man |
| 12:03.42 | tralala | !greet NoNaMeNo |
| 12:03.43 | dpkg | Hello, NoNaMeNo |
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| 12:03.45 | Sypher | SerajewelKS, thanks to you too! |
| 12:03.50 | StyXman | Sypher: yw |
| 12:03.57 | ThomasPorter | tralala, wont that delete the patition? |
| 12:04.04 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: no |
| 12:04.10 | StyXman | ThomasPorter: no, that lists them |
| 12:04.21 | ThomasPorter | Ah |
| 12:04.22 | NoNaMeNo | im trying to do bash script but i need to use mv command but it is case sensitive, does it has any option or trick to dont get case sensitive ? |
| 12:04.24 | tralala | no, it will list the partitions of sda without altering them in any way |
| 12:04.35 | wols_ | !tell ThomasPorter about grounding |
| 12:04.39 | Sypher | hum ... StyXman since im in paranoic mode ... is it normal to do apt-get update and have like 40 hits on .pdiffs of only some bytes each ? |
| 12:04.42 | StyXman | read the manpage :) |
| 12:04.45 | SerajewelKS | Sypher: np |
| 12:04.54 | StyXman | Sypher: now it is |
| 12:05.13 | Sypher | ah NOW it is ... ? should i read it like "now it is but before was not" ? |
| 12:05.37 | ThomasPorter | Okay.. so i've got sda 1 2 5... |
| 12:05.42 | StyXman | there used to be a time when updates meant to download the huge new Packages files. now they just download compressed diffs, much, much amsller |
| 12:06.01 | StyXman | smaller* |
| 12:06.06 | Sypher | StyXman, ok ... ;P i got scared of that too, and in conjunction with that route thing i was being reeeally really paranoid ... |
| 12:06.21 | StyXman | ThomasPorter: then mount one of /dev/sda1, sda5 |
| 12:06.29 | StyXman | Sypher: hehehe |
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| 12:06.59 | roxy_ | how can I make the files in /etc/pam.d/* reread by pam ? |
| 12:07.23 | ThomasPorter | "mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is mounted on /" |
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| 12:08.49 | StyXman | ThomasPorter: then it must be sdb. try fdisk -l on it |
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| 12:09.05 | StyXman | seems like the server either has a scsi disk or a sata disk |
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| 12:09.36 | StyXman | roxy_: pam reads those files when the authenticating app ask it to, so just restart the app |
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| 12:10.33 | ThomasPorter | StyXman, yep mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb went though without an error... still nothing in the media dir yet though |
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| 12:11.07 | StyXman | ThomasPorter: you gotta configure udev |
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| 12:11.38 | ThomasPorter | StyXman, ugh how would I do that? |
| 12:12.41 | cydork | ThomasPorter: cat /proc/partitions to see which partitions are there. |
| 12:12.44 | roxy_ | StyXman: thanks |
| 12:12.58 | StyXman | ThomasPorter: sorry, I don''t have links right now to give to you |
| 12:13.15 | ThomasPorter | cydork: 8 17 199141708 sdb1 |
| 12:13.21 | ThomasPorter | StyXman , ah thats ok |
| 12:13.37 | cydork | ThomasPorter: what was the error? |
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| 12:14.07 | ThomasPorter | cydork, there are no errors, i'm just trying to mount a usb HD. |
| 12:14.26 | cydork | <ThomasPorter>: StyXman, yep mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb went though without an error |
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| 12:14.39 | cydork | then check if it's mounted in /mnt/usb |
| 12:14.52 | cydork | ThomasPorter: check the output of mount |
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| 12:15.25 | victor- | is there a "debian way" of making gcc-4.0 the default instead of gcc-4.1? i can delete the /usr/bin/gcc and /usr/bin/gccbug symlinks and repoint them to the version i want to use, but is there a 'better, debian' way? |
| 12:15.36 | ThomasPorter | cydork, ahh.. there it is.. i thought it would of found its way to /media somehow. |
| 12:15.44 | Schalken | How suitable is Debian for a personal home computer? |
| 12:15.47 | ThomasPorter | Thanks StyXman and cydork |
| 12:15.49 | cydork | victor-: what are you trying to do? |
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| 12:15.54 | kristalino | hi.what is the equivalent of .kde/Autostart/ directory in gnome ? |
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| 12:15.56 | enouf | ThomasPorter: lsmod | grep usb_storage |
| 12:15.57 | cydork | Schalken: it's great. |
| 12:16.09 | victor- | cydork: use gcc 4.0 when i type 'gcc' instead of 4.1. |
| 12:16.13 | enouf | cydork: !ping pong! |
| 12:16.14 | cydork | enouf: it's working go to sleep :P |
| 12:16.16 | Schalken | cydork: even for the 'normal' user? |
| 12:16.16 | speeves | Schalken: what is your linux experience? |
| 12:16.30 | speeves | gnu/linux :P |
| 12:16.34 | StyXman | victor-: all I know is one word: alternatives. never got arounf to read about them, tho... |
| 12:16.35 | enouf | cydork: nah .. I'm awake now .. you waker upper |
| 12:16.51 | victor- | Schalken: actually, debian is one of the easier distros. apt is very easy to use. |
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| 12:17.14 | cydork | victor-: use alias :P |
| 12:17.17 | Schalken | victor-: thats the impression i have gotten, especially after looking at gentoo ;) |
| 12:17.56 | StyXman | cydork: I think make doesn't know about bash aliases |
| 12:17.56 | SerajewelKS | Schalken: ubuntu is particularly geared towards home users |
| 12:18.01 | cydork | StyXman: who said anything about make? |
| 12:18.03 | victor- | Schalken: I'm a gentoo user for my desktop, but a handful of my servers run debian. |
| 12:18.18 | StyXman | cydork: I did |
| 12:18.23 | enouf | kristalino: prolly ~/.gnome2 private (?) or whatever |
| 12:18.25 | victor- | but i would recommend ubuntu for your desktop if you aren't fully comfrotable. |
| 12:18.50 | SerajewelKS | Schalken: of course i use debian, but i'm a geek, so my thought of "easy" probably isn't the same as yours |
| 12:19.02 | StyXman | I mena, if you're using gcc, most likely you'll use make, or scons, or whatever, but none of those will know about bash aliases |
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| 12:19.32 | enouf | kristalino: poking around is half the fun in my book |
| 12:19.32 | cydork | StyXman: for those you can use export CC=path to gcc4.0 |
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| 12:19.48 | StyXman | cydork: rite |
| 12:19.49 | NoNaMeNo | bb |
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| 12:20.21 | IndridCold | hi, how can I find out how much space is left on my hard drive in debian ? |
| 12:20.33 | gentooguy | what flash player should I use with firefox? |
| 12:20.37 | enouf | cydork: I though there was also another export LC(?) function to do as well .. somesuch -- bah .. darn brain cobwebs |
| 12:20.41 | enouf | +t |
| 12:20.41 | gentooguy | I want to view vids on youtube |
| 12:20.45 | victor- | IndridCold: df -h . |
| 12:20.48 | SlayerXP | IndridCold: the same way as with any other distro, df. |
| 12:20.51 | keith80403 | Schalken, With any modern Linux distribution (such as Debian) you should be able to do nearly everything you'd do using the Redmond OS, and other things beyond that. |
| 12:20.58 | SerajewelKS | kristalino: have a look at "sessions" in the preferences menu |
| 12:21.07 | x_link | SerajewelKS: What did you mean by "which desktop"? |
| 12:21.12 | cydork | enouf: you should get back to your sleep :P |
| 12:21.17 | x_link | I haven't found that setting set. |
| 12:21.21 | x_link | I can't believe this. |
| 12:21.22 | SerajewelKS | x_link: kde... gnome... etc |
| 12:21.27 | x_link | KDE 3.5 |
| 12:21.33 | enouf | cydork: bastage twice now ... going to work soon |
| 12:21.34 | Schalken | are there any forks of debian besides ubuntu? |
| 12:21.36 | IndridCold | cool, thanks guys |
| 12:21.42 | IndridCold | just trying to figure out why it's saying /etc is full |
| 12:21.44 | Ronin | Schalken: lots of them |
| 12:21.46 | cydork | Schalken: many :P |
| 12:21.52 | SerajewelKS | x_link: in the colors pane of the control center, do you see any blue text in the picture? |
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| 12:22.09 | StyXman | Schalken: knoppix, to mention one |
| 12:22.24 | x_link | Nope. |
| 12:22.30 | keith80403 | Schalken, Debian Stable really is, you'll find very few things that don't work, so when a package is installed, you can be pretty confident that it will work. |
| 12:22.31 | googlah | it might be that you don't have permission to write in /etc, but im not sure though IndridCold |
| 12:22.37 | Ronin | kubuntu or something like that as well |
| 12:22.40 | x_link | SerajewelKS: I have checked ALL the widget colors |
| 12:22.42 | SerajewelKS | kristalino: there is a "startup programs" tab there |
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| 12:22.43 | IndridCold | it's not listed when I do a df -h |
| 12:22.53 | IndridCold | all the other fs' are |
| 12:22.59 | googlah | yes it should |
| 12:23.06 | googlah | 'df -h' in the terminal |
| 12:23.13 | StyXman | IndridCold: as a user, there's a certain percentage of the root filesistem you can't use; only root can |
| 12:23.20 | IndridCold | im logged in as root |
| 12:23.22 | IndridCold | over SSH |
| 12:23.34 | IndridCold | wonder where my /etc is situated |
| 12:23.43 | StyXman | IndridCold: can you pastebin the output of df -h? |
| 12:23.44 | Schalken | it seems debian is a good base, but im looking for a kde-based distro that is also particularly stylish...like macosx. |
| 12:23.48 | cydork | IndridCold: df only shows the partitions it must be in your / dir |
| 12:23.54 | StyXman | IndridCold: mos likely in your / filesystem |
| 12:23.54 | cydork | IndridCold: i mena / partition |
| 12:23.56 | kristalino | SerajewelKS, i know that already. i look for a directory |
| 12:24.11 | kristalino | not a "menu-driven" stuff |
| 12:24.23 | SerajewelKS | kristalino: for what purpose? |
| 12:24.37 | kristalino | SerajewelKS, for scriptable purpose. |
| 12:24.51 | Ronin | Schalken: why not debian and run kde and some silly theme? |
| 12:25.14 | StyXman | Schalken: http://www.kde.org/download/distributions.php |
| 12:25.14 | Schalken | Ronin: sounds like a plan :D |
| 12:25.39 | x_link | SerajewelKS: Should I re-install KDE or something? |
| 12:25.50 | SerajewelKS | x_link: that will not help |
| 12:25.55 | googlah | just skip the gnome and use kde instead in debian Schalken |
| 12:25.55 | enouf | x_link: why's that? |
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| 12:26.27 | Schalken | googlah: but doesnt kde by default look quite plain in debian? |
| 12:26.32 | SerajewelKS | x_link: you could "rm -fr ~/.kde" if you want to lose all KDE settings, including settings for KDE applications, so only go there if you're desperate |
| 12:26.42 | Ronin | Schalken: yes but thats what themes are for |
| 12:27.28 | x_link | hrmmmm... |
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| 12:27.40 | x_link | This is really pissing me of. |
| 12:27.41 | Ronin | Schalken: kde-look.org or something like that |
| 12:27.50 | x_link | I don't understand why the damn letters are blue |
| 12:27.58 | Schalken | Ronin: thanks |
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| 12:28.04 | victor- | IndridCold: do a: mount -l |
| 12:28.09 | victor- | see where your /etc/ is mounted |
| 12:28.28 | x_link | Fixed it! |
| 12:28.40 | victor- | then you can do a: df -h /etc/ to see how much space it uses |
| 12:28.43 | googlah | Schalken: I don't think so, because in Unbuntu the default is Gnome and there it's plain, and if choosing KDE it's loaded with stuff |
| 12:28.57 | googlah | so i think it's that way in Debian too, never tried though |
| 12:29.12 | x_link | SerajewelKS: When I choosed black letters in "Link" then it got blue, and when I choosed blue it got black. |
| 12:29.14 | IndridCold | wtf not listed there either victor |
| 12:29.19 | IndridCold | shall I paste what I get somewhere ? |
| 12:29.25 | x_link | hehe. So I set it on blue so now the letters are black =) |
| 12:29.34 | x_link | SerajewelKS: Thanks ALOT for your help man. I really appreciat eit. |
| 12:29.38 | SerajewelKS | x_link: np |
| 12:29.48 | x_link | Sorry for bothering you guys this much with this stupid thing. |
| 12:29.54 | SerajewelKS | hmm, i can't seem to make sense of the gnome "sessions" editor |
| 12:30.21 | SerajewelKS | i can't edit or delete sessions, and when i boot i can't pick a session from the list |
| 12:30.28 | googlah | IndridCold: hehe yup, could pastebin.com be something for ya? |
| 12:30.33 | SerajewelKS | do i need to enable sessions somewhere? |
| 12:30.46 | x_link | SerajewelKS: Somebody told me to send a mail to the author on ww.kde.org. That he/they were maybe able to help me with it. |
| 12:30.49 | x_link | Is that true? |
| 12:30.55 | x_link | With the K Menu thing. |
| 12:31.08 | SerajewelKS | x_link: try a kde mailing list |
| 12:31.14 | x_link | OKey. |
| 12:31.15 | Ronin | x_link: k menu thing? refresh my old mind what you did :) |
| 12:31.25 | googlah | :) |
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| 12:32.07 | x_link | Ronin: I want to make the K Menu transparent. But when I make it transparent I can't see the letters cause they are black. |
| 12:32.20 | Schalken | i hear the 'testing' version is actually workably stable, is this true? |
| 12:32.34 | x_link | So when i go to Control Center -- Appearance & Themes -- Style -- Effects -- Menu Effect -- Transparent. |
| 12:32.35 | SerajewelKS | Schalken: i'm using etch |
| 12:32.43 | SerajewelKS | Schalken: and it seems to not crash =) |
| 12:32.54 | Ronin | x_link: in that case ya the kdemailing list, google etc there must be kde forums too, the authors would delete your email i bet |
| 12:33.02 | x_link | Ronin: When I do that ALL the menu gets transparent, folder menus and everything. I don't want that, cause then I can't see anything in the folder menus. |
| 12:33.11 | enouf | IndridCold: try /etc/mtab maybe .. or just plain mount |
| 12:33.13 | x_link | Okey. |
| 12:33.24 | x_link | I don't think it's possible to just make the K Menu transparent. |
| 12:33.36 | Schalken | SerajewelKS: is Etch the version the 'testing' CDs install? |
| 12:33.44 | x_link | Anybody here have there K Menu transparent ? |
| 12:33.47 | enouf | x_link: have you looked around at comp.linux.x.kde ?(or similar) |
| 12:33.52 | x_link | Then PLEASE let me know. |
| 12:33.53 | Ronin | change the font then, im pretty sure when eye cany meant something to me i did that |
| 12:34.00 | Ronin | i know its possible in fluxbox thats for sure |
| 12:34.00 | x_link | enouf: I don't know any sites at all. |
| 12:34.06 | x_link | But I will check that one out now. |
| 12:34.17 | enouf | x_link: also #kde |
| 12:34.18 | x_link | Ronin: Without making all the other menus transparent ? |
| 12:34.25 | x_link | enouf: #KDE I tried it there. |
| 12:34.37 | x_link | One guy there told me that it's not possible. |
| 12:34.52 | x_link | And another guy asked ME how I even made the K Menu transparent. hehe |
| 12:35.07 | enouf | x_link: I had a question here yesterday that requred itbe asked again 12hrs later, b/c at the first time there was nobody here weho could answr |
| 12:35.13 | enouf | to be |
| 12:35.28 | enouf | x_link: I finally got a great response |
| 12:35.37 | x_link | enouf: In #KDE ? |
| 12:35.59 | SerajewelKS | Schalken: testing *is* etch, right now anyway |
| 12:36.14 | enouf | x_link: patience is a virtue .. that's all - unless they explicitly said don't reply ...try #debian-kde |
| 12:36.17 | Schalken | SerajewelKS: i see. :D |
| 12:36.21 | SerajewelKS | why the fuck is the "delete" button disabled in the session manager |
| 12:36.26 | SerajewelKS | for every session |
| 12:36.27 | x_link | Okey. |
| 12:36.37 | x_link | http://comp.linux.x.kde/ |
| 12:36.42 | x_link | That site didn't work. |
| 12:36.51 | IndridCold | http://pastebin.com/804532 |
| 12:36.58 | enouf | SerajewelKS: In mother russia delete pwns gnome |
| 12:37.21 | enouf | erm Russia deletes you! |
| 12:38.04 | googlah | :> |
| 12:38.12 | googlah | russian vodka is the shit |
| 12:38.31 | SerajewelKS | x_link: that's a newsgroup, not a hostname |
| 12:38.36 | x_link | OKey. |
| 12:40.12 | x_link | I don't understand why they made it possible to make the menus transparent but not just the K Menu. |
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| 12:40.34 | x_link | That if you want the K Menu transparent then you must make all the other menus transparent too. |
| 12:41.31 | enouf | x_link : go to google.com and search through the lists ... http://groups.google.com/group/comp.windows.x.kde?lnk=lr |
| 12:41.59 | SerajewelKS | x_link: because the K menu is a menu, like every other menu. it's not "special". |
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| 12:42.53 | StyXman | IndridCold: that's the uotput of mount. what about df -h? |
| 12:45.17 | x_link | http://suseforums.net/lofiversion/index.php/t12859.html |
| 12:45.30 | x_link | I did it exactly like it says on that site. |
| 12:45.35 | x_link | enouf: Okey. Will do that now. |
| 12:46.02 | SerajewelKS | x_link: do you want transparent menus or not |
| 12:46.11 | Schalken | whats the difference between AIGLX and X with the 'composite extension'? |
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| 12:46.31 | x_link | SerajewelKS: Just the K Menu. |
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| 12:46.36 | x_link | I will not ask about it anymore. |
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| 12:47.49 | jpdp | I know I've asked this before, but I'm still not finding solutions after trying several different ways.: 1) Is there any reason why an (old) system that CAN boot a stamped debian 2.0 disc can not boot a burned sarge netinst disc? I ruled out "old CD drive" already by getting the same result on a new dvd burner drive. |
| 12:48.21 | jpdp | 2) Is there a way that the disc could be burned wrong despite burning it the same way I've burned other debian discs that worked? (something new or different in sarge?) |
| 12:48.23 | SerajewelKS | jpdp: maybe the burned cd is a coaster? |
| 12:48.28 | enouf | cydork: give me some kde quaaludes please .. man |
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| 12:49.18 | jpdp | Serajewelks: I've burned on Taiyo and CMC discs...used 2 CD drives...same result each time: "FD (ascii chars) System Type-(00) printed as it tries to boot the CD (instead of the empty drive or non-boot cd's "Failure" |
| 12:49.30 | jpdp | It's definitely finding SOMETHING it things may be a boot sector..then can't. |
| 12:49.35 | enouf | whacks kde devs with a few halibut .. but doesn't bash their hardwork in any way .. |
| 12:49.47 | SerajewelKS | jpdp: try burning on a different box maybe? |
| 12:49.54 | jpdp | Serajewelks: Note that the data part of the disc IS in tact. |
| 12:50.15 | jpdp | Serajewelks: So it's just the boot sector (or for some reason something about the newer discs that can't strap on the old machine? |
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| 12:50.57 | jpdp | SerajewelKS: Yeah I thought of that though I have a feeling that's not the issue. |
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| 12:51.54 | jpdp | SerajewelKS: Note also that I tried burning both in windows (Nero) and Linux (cdrtools through xcdroast) |
| 12:52.00 | jpdp | (The burner box is a dualboot) |
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| 12:52.29 | sulo | Hi |
| 12:52.33 | sulo | I can't call out |
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| 12:52.52 | jpdp | SerajewelKS: With the same result. So it COULD be that it can't read from that burner (unlikely), or something is incompatible with newere discs and old systems, or something is wrong with the image (also unlikely) |
| 12:53.00 | sulo | I can't call out using skype, latest version |
| 12:53.06 | jpdp | SerajewelKS: note that my iso md5 DOES match the one on discs.debian.org |
| 12:53.20 | sulo | is there known to be any problems with that version? last one worked fine... |
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| 12:53.55 | jpdp | SerajewelKS: I'm wondering if I can boot from the stamped Hamm disc I have and have it bootstrap the burned new disc :) |
| 12:54.05 | SlayerXP | sulo: and the reason why you're asking for help here rather than calling skype tech support is..... ? |
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| 12:54.35 | Schalken | anyone know what the difference is between AIGLX and X with the 'composite extension' on? |
| 12:54.42 | x_link | What is Rubberband Effects? |
| 12:54.54 | goki___ | What should I use to resize an existing partition? |
| 12:54.57 | x_link | Does anybody know that, I have asked a couple of persons but nobody knows what it is. |
| 12:55.08 | goki___ | x_link: ask google? |
| 12:55.10 | disasm | i have a weird problem with screen. it wants /var/run/screen to have permission 777 when run as root some of the time (not always) |
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| 12:55.56 | karsten | disasm: ssh'd / sudoed? |
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| 12:56.23 | Schalken | in debian's new installer gtk or qt based? |
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| 12:56.53 | disasm | karsten: ssh'd and when ran in a cron script |
| 12:57.24 | disasm | Schalken: debian graphical installer? wow, news to me ;-) |
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| 12:57.59 | Schalken | disasm: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=724&slide=35&title=debian+installer+etch+beta+3+screenshots |
| 12:58.25 | Schalken | disasm: isn't that part of etch? (wow, long url) |
| 12:59.00 | disasm | Schalken: my guess would be gtk, since it's gnome being shown in the screenshot ;-) |
| 12:59.42 | Schalken | disasm: yeah probably, being debian |
| 12:59.54 | Schalken | disasm: but isnt this installer part of etch yet? |
| 13:00.11 | disasm | Schalken: only machines I have running etch were dist-upgraded |
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| 13:00.21 | disasm | Schalken: most of my machines are on sarg |
| 13:00.25 | disasm | e |
| 13:00.30 | Schalken | disasm: ah okay |
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| 13:00.47 | jpdp | exit |
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| 13:02.39 | Schalken | how difficuilt is it to get an opengl desktop setup in debian? |
| 13:03.01 | SerajewelKS | Schalken: you mean xgl? |
| 13:03.21 | Schalken | SerajewelKS: if thats what it takes, yes |
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| 13:03.35 | SerajewelKS | Schalken: do you like compiling things? |
| 13:03.45 | cydork | Schalken: it not much difficult if you use sid and aiglx i guess. |
| 13:04.08 | karsten | disasm: I've seen that. I used to know the fix. |
| 13:04.19 | Schalken | cydork: what graphics cards can use aiglx instead of xgl? |
| 13:04.24 | karsten | disasm: I think it's PTS ownership issues. I forget 'zactly what. |
| 13:04.42 | SerajewelKS | Schalken: xgl is a server architecture, not a driver |
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| 13:05.53 | Schalken | SerajewelKS: yeah i know, but from what ive gathered aiglx can only run on certain cards because of driver problems |
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| 13:06.22 | cydork | Schalken: yep that's true it's not supported by all the cards yet. |
| 13:06.34 | roxy_ | I reinstalled cupsys and cupsys-driver-gutenprint. But from the web interface only raw is available as filter. I used to have the all list of gutenprint filter available. |
| 13:07.08 | Schalken | cydork: where can i get info on the current status? i have a geforce 6200. |
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| 13:07.52 | cydork | Schalken: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
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| 13:09.10 | SerajewelKS | hmm... is the compiz in debian even functional at this point? |
| 13:09.13 | dererk[w] | Buenos DÃas!/G'Morning! :-) |
| 13:09.20 | SerajewelKS | that is, in there a debian package that will use it? |
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| 13:10.07 | cydork | SerajewelKS: yes it is funtional but only in sid :) |
| 13:10.49 | SerajewelKS | cydork: which packages would i need? (i assume xgl is in there somewhere?) |
| 13:11.03 | SerajewelKS | cydork: i am using a mix of etch/sid so what's a few more sid packages |
| 13:11.06 | Schalken | cydork: okay, it seems nvidia has released drivers in beta that will work with aiglx. |
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| 13:11.40 | SerajewelKS | cydork: though apt-cache search isn't helping me much |
| 13:11.42 | cydork | SerajewelKS: no it doesn't use xgl. it uses aiglx with xorg 7.1 |
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| 13:12.21 | SerajewelKS | cydork: apt-cache search aiglx == nothing |
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| 13:12.35 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, aiglx is built into xorg |
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| 13:13.07 | SerajewelKS | oh hmm |
| 13:14.13 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, xorg 7.1, that is |
| 13:14.45 | SerajewelKS | aha |
| 13:15.10 | SerajewelKS | i'm also only using 1.0.8774-3 |
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| 13:16.33 | saad3000 | Hello, who tried to get xgl+compiz working? |
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| 13:18.20 | wols | saad3000: what debian version? |
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| 13:19.11 | saad3000 | wols: testing/unstable |
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| 13:20.12 | enouf | SerajewelKS: don't know what to make of all of it - but see http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xorg&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
| 13:20.19 | wols | there is aiglx in sid xorg.7.1, or so Eulex just said |
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| 13:20.36 | enouf | wols: but which exact pkgs are necessary ? |
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| 13:21.31 | enouf | it sems xserver-xorg is only avail fdor kfreebsd arch? |
| 13:21.40 | enouf | for* |
| 13:22.42 | Eulex | enouf, no. 1:7.1.0-3: all, 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6: kfreebsd-i386 |
| 13:22.48 | enouf | saad3000: screw xgl and look more towards aiglx |
| 13:23.19 | tralala | Any ideas why a security update of xlibmesa-dri would have 73 megs smaller size? Nothing will be removed according to aptitude. |
| 13:23.38 | enouf | Eulex: doh .. instead of listing as all others ..they use "all' ..nioce one folks |
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| 13:24.01 | tralala | yet it says it will free 73 megs... |
| 13:24.02 | Eulex | tralala, hmm, odd, as xlibmesa-dri is only ~5mb |
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| 13:24.34 | enouf | Eulex: dang i need to pay closer attention to that sorta thing .. it's weird when there's 14 archs :-0 |
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| 13:24.44 | SerajewelKS | has anyone had problems with http://packages.debian.org/experimental/x11/nvidia-kernel-source ? |
| 13:24.46 | Eulex | enouf, hehe :) |
| 13:24.55 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, probably. |
| 13:25.02 | wols | tralala: the update is a bit bigger than just mesa: http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1193 |
| 13:25.19 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: thanks for the verbose and specific reply |
| 13:25.21 | tralala | Eulex: it's straight weird and I'm reluctant to accept this update before finding out the resons. |
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| 13:25.35 | wols | SerajewelKS: you run experimental. why do you even ask? |
| 13:25.52 | SerajewelKS | wols: when did a say that i run experimental |
| 13:25.58 | SerajewelKS | s/ a / i / |
| 13:26.05 | tralala | wols: yep, it's (almost?) the whole X. But I've upgraded everything else already. |
| 13:26.11 | t9k539 | hello, I'm trying to install gmailfs |
| 13:26.21 | t9k539 | I have updated libgmail to the latest version |
| 13:26.32 | wols | SerajewelKS: you use packages from it or try to. QED |
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| 13:26.41 | t9k539 | but, although connection works great with python libgmail.py |
| 13:26.53 | SerajewelKS | wols: no i ... don't ... |
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| 13:26.59 | t9k539 | I get a user/psw error when trying to mount |
| 13:26.59 | t9k539 | :( |
| 13:27.04 | wols | SerajewelKS: then why would you ask in the first place? |
| 13:27.04 | t9k539 | what can I do? |
| 13:27.16 | SerajewelKS | wols: because i'm thinking about doing so |
| 13:27.21 | stew | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 13:27.32 | SerajewelKS | stew: the bts covers experimental too? |
| 13:27.53 | tralala | t9k539: mount doesn't ask for user/password |
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| 13:28.00 | stew | SerajewelKS: of course, if people couldn't get repots about experimental, it would be silly to upload there |
| 13:28.23 | Nibbier | tralala, patched mount for loop-aes does |
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| 13:28.32 | SerajewelKS | stew: duh... i've been up for a while.. i think the brain is shutting down |
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| 13:28.52 | tralala | Nibbier: let's see if that's the case |
| 13:29.00 | t9k539 | tralala, what do you mean? |
| 13:29.15 | t9k539 | where must I put username/psw? |
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| 13:29.42 | SerajewelKS | haha... "Warning: This package is from the experimental distribution. That means it is likely unstable or buggy, and it may even cause data loss. If you ignore this warning and install it nevertheless, you do it on your own risk." |
| 13:29.43 | Nibbier | wont be, it does not know usernames then ;-) |
| 13:29.44 | tralala | t9k539: the real question is what do _you_ mean? Or more precisely what's the _real_ error message that you're getting. |
| 13:30.22 | SerajewelKS | isn't like.. all debian software used at your own risk? |
| 13:31.16 | t9k539 | tralala, ah.. sorry |
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| 13:31.40 | t9k539 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.44 | t9k539 | here is the error |
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| 13:32.00 | SerajewelKS | wols: and use of experimental does not preclude asking if there are known issues |
| 13:32.24 | tralala | t9k539: you need to contact the gmail support |
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| 13:33.25 | ilf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/196079 - been like that for a week in sid. now which package is broken? |
| 13:33.28 | cydork | t9k539: using gmailfs? |
| 13:33.48 | t9k539 | cydork: yeah |
| 13:34.09 | cydork | t9k539: edit /etc/gmailfs/gmailfs.conf for your needs |
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| 13:34.50 | t9k539 | fsname= ? |
| 13:34.59 | t9k539 | can I leave it linux_fs_3 |
| 13:35.01 | t9k539 | or gmailfs ? |
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| 13:36.19 | cydork | t9k539: that is just some stupid name so you can search for that. :P |
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| 13:41.59 | jetscreamer | zomg stfu! |
| 13:42.37 | cydork | huh? |
| 13:44.53 | jetscreamer | too much chatter in here atm |
| 13:45.28 | cydork | !comfort jetscreamer |
| 13:45.28 | dpkg | There, there, jetscreamer. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:45.45 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 13:45.45 | dpkg | <felix_187> abrotman: presuming everything worked correctly, how could i get my wireless working? |
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| 13:46.02 | tralala | :/ |
| 13:46.10 | roxy_ | oooch, seen in #kde : NthDegree> KILL THE DEBIAN DEVS FOR RELEASING TOO EARLY !!!! |
| 13:47.20 | cydork | roxy_: what started that?? :P |
| 13:47.26 | tralala | he probably understands debian "releasing" as putting in sid |
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| 13:48.08 | wols | debian? releasing something too early? talk about misinformed :) |
| 13:48.16 | cydork | haha |
| 13:49.06 | roxy_ | cydork: the debian package for kde 3.5.5 is out when kde haven't made the official release yet |
| 13:49.26 | tralala | or maybe he thinks debian shouldn't have released kde 3.3.2 |
| 13:49.33 | Braindead | it's a 0-day |
| 13:49.33 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 13:50.59 | x_link | SerajewelKS: Heey, I fixed it now. |
| 13:51.00 | cydork | debian has kde 3.5.5?? |
| 13:51.08 | cydork | in sid? |
| 13:51.17 | x_link | I fixed all the colors so now I can see the letters in the K Menu and in the other menus =) |
| 13:51.26 | abrotman | hi! |
| 13:51.34 | stew | HI! |
| 13:51.35 | tralala | !greet abrotman |
| 13:51.35 | dpkg | Hi there, abrotman |
| 13:51.35 | saad3000 | hello, I want to update from xserver-xorg 7.0 to 7.1 from apt, and apt-get install is giving me its latest version which is 7.0 any ideas please? |
| 13:51.52 | abrotman | saad3000: wait for 7.1 to hit etch |
| 13:52.14 | tralala | abrotman: will it? |
| 13:52.17 | stew | saad3000: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:52.18 | saad3000 | abrotman: am on testing/unstable . |
| 13:52.22 | abrotman | tralala: so is the rumor |
| 13:52.27 | abrotman | saad3000: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:52.35 | wols | saad3000: which is it: testing or unstable? |
| 13:52.46 | saad3000 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:52.48 | abrotman | wols: hard to tell from /etc/debian_version :) |
| 13:52.52 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 13:52.52 | stew | saad3000: put the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 xserver-xorg" into a pastebin |
| 13:53.00 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 4586 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 13:53.03 | wols | abrotman: that's why you look into sources.list :) |
| 13:53.07 | stew | tralala: yes, 7.1 is the version planned for etch |
| 13:53.08 | saad3000 | wols: it says testing/unstabe in /etc/debian_version |
| 13:53.11 | abrotman | wols: don't tell me! |
| 13:53.20 | stew | wols: (or apt-cache policy which is even better) |
| 13:53.27 | tralala | stew: nice :) |
| 13:53.46 | wols | stew: both have the problem of mongrels where people mix tho |
| 13:54.08 | stew | wols: when people mix, policy gives you the pin priorities, which is why its better |
| 13:55.16 | grendelson | I'm having some trouble with the syntax of the preferences file for pinning - I am running testing but want pan to stay at current installed version (stable 0.14*) I've added specific pin for pan and user both version and release v=3.1r3 - everytime I try to upgrade it wants to upgrdea pan to testing . I gave pan a priority of 1001 and testing 900 so it shoudl stay at installed version NA? |
| 13:55.42 | stew | grendelson: the easier solution is /msg dpkg hold |
| 13:56.12 | SerajewelKS | oxay compiz is installed and works, but i lose all window decorations when i run it |
| 13:56.22 | grendelson | stew - that shoudl work... |
| 13:56.32 | saad3000 | SerajewelKS: same with me! |
| 13:56.38 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: maybe nto working ? |
| 13:56.46 | stew | maybe its unstable |
| 13:56.52 | roxy_ | stew: would a "aptitude dist-upgrade" upgrade a package on hold ? |
| 13:57.13 | Talisker[W] | Is there some sort of a trojan that spreads itself through the ICQ space? |
| 13:57.13 | stew | roxy_: no |
| 13:57.19 | roxy_ | stew: thanks |
| 13:57.26 | SerajewelKS | stew: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/656004721831 -- this seems to indicate that it should work |
| 13:57.31 | jetscreamer | when i tried the compiz i didn't seem to have a window manager... no borders/titlebars |
| 13:57.32 | stew | roxy_: aptitude install packagename would |
| 13:57.33 | Talisker[W] | I've been getting a lot of weird messages from offline people refering me to download a file that contains a trojan |
| 13:57.46 | SerajewelKS | Talisker[W]: maybe AIM users |
| 13:57.48 | grendelson | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 13:57.48 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.50 | stew | SerajewelKS: fwiw, it worked for me for the 5 minutes i tried it |
| 13:57.52 | Talisker[W] | Nope, ICQ |
| 13:57.56 | SerajewelKS | Talisker[W]: AIM and ICQ are one network |
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| 13:57.59 | jetscreamer | maybe they think you should wear a rubber... |
| 13:58.04 | grendelson | Darn nothing seems to work - I ran an aptitude update after adding pan to hold... what did I miss? |
| 13:58.13 | Talisker[W] | I know that |
| 13:58.16 | SerajewelKS | stew: are you on pure unstable? |
| 13:58.46 | SerajewelKS | i'm on a mix of testing and unstable, and it works, except no borders |
| 13:59.11 | stew | SerajewelKS: i tried it on a slightly out of date unstable |
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| 13:59.48 | SerajewelKS | stew: hmm |
| 14:00.00 | lenrek | I need good reiserfs recover?Any one Knows? |
| 14:00.18 | SerajewelKS | stew: i can't think what else i might need from unstable. afaict gnome is the same version in both. |
| 14:00.19 | fluxdude | how can I find out the last time updatedb was run? should I just look at the db modified timestamp? where is the db again? |
| 14:00.34 | abrotman | that's probably the easiest way |
| 14:00.41 | abrotman | probably in /var/ somewhere |
| 14:00.46 | saad3000 | stew: http://pastebin.com/804579 |
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| 14:01.05 | abrotman | fluxdude: ls -l /var/cache/locate/updatedb |
| 14:01.06 | fluxdude | abrotman: ah found it thanks |
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| 14:01.55 | SerajewelKS | woo, videos across the cube |
| 14:01.59 | SerajewelKS | i'm sooo close =) |
| 14:02.20 | grendelson | I've put pan on hold and pinned it at v=3.1r3 and still everytime I run aptitude upgrade it tries to upgrade pan... I |
| 14:02.26 | grendelson | ll paste preferences |
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| 14:03.35 | stew | saad3000: you aren't getting 7.1 becuase its only in unstable at the moment, and you are on testing. It will enter testing sometime in the next coupld of weeks |
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| 14:04.10 | jetscreamer | i like cmpiz... can' wait for it to 'just work' |
| 14:04.14 | jetscreamer | t |
| 14:04.28 | saad3000 | stew: oke thank you. |
| 14:04.43 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4019 <-- here is my preferences but still I cannot pin pan - it wants to upgrade evrytime! |
| 14:05.01 | stew | grendelson: also show us the output of apt-cache policy pan |
| 14:05.06 | saad3000 | stew: so Bottom line I wanted to install xgl+compiz , this will not happen until xorg7.1 hits testing? |
| 14:05.17 | grendelson | stew OK - one sec |
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| 14:05.27 | kantlivelong | anyone here have wol installed? |
| 14:05.33 | stew | saad3000: no. there are no currently plans to ever support xgl in compiz |
| 14:05.34 | stew | err |
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| 14:05.37 | abrotman | saad3000: AFAIK .. Debian won't be getting xgl .. it's has AIGLX now |
| 14:05.37 | stew | saad3000: xgl in debian |
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| 14:05.46 | kantlivelong | can someone here test my wake on lan? 00:0D:61:0A:0A:5E kantlivelong.mine.nu |
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| 14:05.57 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:06.06 | saad3000 | oke AIGLX ! :> |
| 14:06.19 | stew | kantlivelong: can you please plug my ethernet cable into your network so i can try it? |
| 14:06.26 | saad3000 | ANyhow AIGLX Is more stable. |
| 14:06.32 | kantlivelong | stew: it works remotely doesnt it? |
| 14:06.59 | kantlivelong | stew: yeah it does.. hence why i supplied ip |
| 14:07.00 | stew | kantlivelong: no |
| 14:07.09 | kantlivelong | stew: im certain it does |
| 14:07.10 | stew | kantlivelong: you didn't supply an ip |
| 14:07.12 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4020 |
| 14:07.18 | kantlivelong | can someone here test my wake on lan? 00:0D:61:0A:0A:5E kantlivelong.mine.nu <---- |
| 14:07.23 | grendelson | stew, It does not seem to be picking up pin priority! |
| 14:07.33 | kantlivelong | stew: dynamic dns :) |
| 14:08.09 | saad3000 | stew: Etch = Testing ? |
| 14:08.15 | wols | saad3000: yes |
| 14:08.33 | stew | grendelson: have you run apt-get update? |
| 14:08.39 | grendelson | stew, I added pan to hold and pin but still apt-cache policy states it needs to be upgraded to testing due to 990. hmm why isn't it picking up 1001 pin for pan> |
| 14:08.52 | grendelson | stew, aptitude update |
| 14:08.54 | grendelson | Same? |
| 14:09.00 | stew | grendelson: i don't think so |
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| 14:09.30 | saad3000 | ok thanx wols . |
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| 14:09.40 | kill4killin | how do i restart my network connection if i lose connection? |
| 14:09.42 | grendelson | stew, Just to test I ran apt-get update but policy is still same! |
| 14:09.50 | wols | kill4killin: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:09.58 | wols | or ifup/ifdown |
| 14:10.02 | grendelson | hmm how to force apt to see pin priority or take hold |
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| 14:10.50 | kill4killin | wols, alright awesome, thanks |
| 14:10.54 | d0uglas | hey now.. Trying to get dual monitors going with an ati radeon mobility u1/igp 320m using xinerama, but no luck. Only clonemode. I'm under the impression that this still isn't possible with linux. anyone know if that's the case with these ati suckers? |
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| 14:12.39 | abrotman | grendelson: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 14:12.39 | stew | grendelson: oh wait, v=3.1r3? what is that? |
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| 14:13.20 | grendelson | stew, That is from the release file - suggested in man page for preferences. I've tried v=0.14* as well but neither worked... |
| 14:13.30 | stew | grendelson: what about a=stable ? |
| 14:13.43 | stew | grendelson: or a=3.1 |
| 14:13.46 | stew | err v=3.1 |
| 14:13.49 | grendelson | abrotman - I am following the steps _ I think_ but failing to get syntax right I suppose sine it keeps putting the testing version at 990 install |
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| 14:15.46 | tralala | I'm really curious how a security update can reduce the size ~10times! http://rafb.net/paste/results/udDOQn46.html |
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| 14:16.34 | jetscreamer | it was coded really really bad and they fixed it? |
| 14:16.36 | vsnb | Hello! i'm trying to mount nexx nf-340 flash mp3 player. but when i mount i can see but 2 files called drivers and devices. There are some music in that device but i can't see it. I've tried to google but sucked to find anything |
| 14:16.54 | jetscreamer | !rw-vfat |
| 14:16.55 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 14:17.04 | grendelson | IS there a way to toally clear cache and pull all info again - no matter what I add to pin I still get testing as 990 - even after changing pin-priority of testing to 800! |
| 14:17.07 | jetscreamer | a sucky factoid |
| 14:17.09 | vsnb | i mount it in this way mount /dev/sda1 /cdrom -t usbdevfs |
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| 14:17.54 | tralala | vsnb: try without the -t option |
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| 14:18.32 | vsnb | tralala it says i must specify fs |
| 14:18.47 | jetscreamer | rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002 |
| 14:18.52 | vsnb | btw, my kernel is default for debian sarge |
| 14:18.56 | jetscreamer | -t auto |
| 14:19.06 | wols | or -t vfat |
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| 14:19.32 | tralala | strange I thought fat is automatically recognized... |
| 14:19.37 | vsnb | nope, i tired vfat but `no vfat fs found at..` in dmesg |
| 14:19.50 | tralala | vsnb: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 14:19.58 | jetscreamer | might be fat |
| 14:20.17 | SerajewelKS | is pdo always this slow? |
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| 14:20.36 | jetscreamer | no? |
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| 14:20.54 | SerajewelKS | this is now 3 minutes waiting for a search |
| 14:21.05 | jetscreamer | it just doesn't like you |
| 14:21.09 | jetscreamer | works for me |
| 14:21.14 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 14:21.16 | vsnb | tralala it's silent |
| 14:21.22 | SerajewelKS | search for libgnomeui-0 |
| 14:22.41 | disasm | jetscreamer: if your seeing stuff when you mount it, it's mounting fine. possibly multiple disks on device? I know I have a generic mp3 player where sda1 has the config info and sdb1 has the actual music |
| 14:22.42 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libgnomeui-0&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 14:22.43 | tralala | vsnb: do you have a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:22.48 | vsnb | 2.4 |
| 14:23.02 | tralala | vsnb: would you mind upgrading to 2.6? |
| 14:23.09 | disasm | err ^ vsnb |
| 14:23.10 | jetscreamer | disasm: wrong target |
| 14:23.18 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 14:23.20 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: uhm yeah... that will just do the search that it's not doing for me |
| 14:23.31 | SerajewelKS | fuck this, i'll just go to the mirror pool |
| 14:23.37 | jetscreamer | i got the result what arch/flavor |
| 14:24.00 | disasm | vsnb: best thing to do is when you plug it in, tail -f /var/log/syslog that'll lists any new devs it finds when it's plugged in |
| 14:24.11 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: nm, i got it from the mirror pool |
| 14:24.13 | saad3000 | SerajewelKS: which debian version? |
| 14:24.27 | SerajewelKS | saad3000: experimental |
| 14:24.32 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: it is a tad slower though than usual |
| 14:24.56 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4022 When I install python-uno (upgraded and needed for openoffice) it fails on script errors. I am using python 2.4 not sure what I need to do ... any help? |
| 14:27.16 | SerajewelKS | i can't even hit the front page now |
| 14:28.48 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: me neither now, if that helps |
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| 14:29.33 | SerajewelKS | god dammit |
| 14:29.38 | SerajewelKS | why now |
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| 14:30.23 | vsnb | so, fdisk -l says there is a fat16 partition. but i can't mount it though. -t vfat does't help |
| 14:30.47 | Hoxzer | hmmm, k my life sucks too |
| 14:31.24 | Ronin | Hoxzer: cant be that bad, you woke up above ground |
| 14:31.33 | cephalic | lol |
| 14:31.45 | Ronin | any day you do that its a good day |
| 14:32.23 | cephalic | barely connected to GND. |
| 14:32.49 | Hoxzer | ACtually... I dont have any friends or at least I dont call them as friends... I'm continally lack sleep ... and AARGH I dont even get grades I aim to |
| 14:33.09 | Hoxzer | and I worry about little things like what does that girl think about me ... |
| 14:33.22 | cephalic | 4hrs sleep is all you need when your being uWave'd 24/7 |
| 14:33.29 | Hoxzer | :D I love to open my heart to you all espacially when channel is this |
| 14:33.38 | cydork | !comfort Hoxzer |
| 14:33.39 | dpkg | There, there, Hoxzer. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:33.42 | cephalic | the uWaves keep ya warm an fuzzy |
| 14:33.46 | Hoxzer | :P |
| 14:34.31 | cephalic | I need to buy a new cell phone, after I convert my reiser to ext3's today |
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| 14:34.47 | cephalic | j/k |
| 14:34.58 | cephalic | I hope it ain't so. |
| 14:35.02 | Bhavesh | buy Nokia, good phones |
| 14:35.03 | Bhavesh | :) |
| 14:35.26 | Eulex | connecting people? |
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| 14:36.55 | sarefo | hm, there's no lame as a debian package? (could only find liblame0, but i'd like to use lame as a cl tool) |
| 14:37.06 | cephalic | there's a lame |
| 14:37.23 | cephalic | ain't sure the name. but there IS a lame |
| 14:37.36 | stew | sarefo: debian cannot distribute lame becuase they have no way to ensure that you pay the license fees that may be required in order to ues it |
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| 14:37.56 | cephalic | ah. stew. |
| 14:38.16 | Eulex | sarefo, get it from debian-multimedia.org |
| 14:38.17 | cephalic | greetings stew. good to see you out here. |
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| 14:38.50 | stew | cephalic: greetings |
| 14:38.58 | pickcoder | my mail server had a few too many beers last night and passed out... |
| 14:39.09 | pickcoder | there's no reports of kernel issues in the logs |
| 14:39.16 | cephalic | I had to remove the beers from my servers |
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| 14:39.35 | kb3ien | any one use make-jpkg on debian ? |
| 14:39.58 | pickcoder | I didn't have this problem with the 2.6.16 AMD64 kernel... Had to re-install due to various disk controller and sys admin problems. |
| 14:40.05 | lilalinux | how do I configure apt _not_ to check gpg and not to fetch Release.gpg? |
| 14:40.09 | pickcoder | running 2.6.17-2 now on Etch |
| 14:41.01 | stew | kb3ien: lots of people. read /usr/share/doc/java-package/README.Debian |
| 14:41.02 | cephalic | too bad there isn't an apt-not > list |
| 14:41.02 | sarefo | thx Eulex :) i had disabled debian-multimedia.org in my sources.list because i had some connection trouble yesterday, it's back now :) |
| 14:41.02 | cephalic | oh wait. |
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| 14:41.32 | pickcoder | one odd thing that I noticed in the messages file is that the 2.6 kernel from Beta2 did not have highmem set. I had no problems with 1GB before and never saw this error before. |
| 14:41.34 | SerajewelKS | grr, metacity in experimental is not installable |
| 14:42.02 | pickcoder | maybe my marbles are rolling away |
| 14:42.11 | kb3ien | mine didnt come with java-package in that dir :( |
| 14:42.21 | kb3ien | must have messed up something. |
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| 14:42.53 | infoclog | whts the defualt format of GCC |
| 14:43.10 | pickcoder | cephalic: I think mine may have a still hidden somewhere |
| 14:43.12 | infoclog | is it ELF or A.out |
| 14:43.22 | stew | kb3ien: you have make-jpkg but not /usr/share/doc/java-package ? |
| 14:43.25 | disasm | infoclog: elf i think |
| 14:43.32 | kb3ien | i have neither. |
| 14:43.42 | stew | kb3ien: install java-package, its in contrib, /msg dpkg contrib |
| 14:43.44 | kb3ien | i tried to apt-get it, but to no avail. |
| 14:43.49 | infoclog | is it psibble to get a particulat format like ( hex or bin ) |
| 14:43.53 | kb3ien | ok |
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| 14:44.20 | kb3ien | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 14:44.49 | infoclog | disasm. is it psibble to build with a particulat format like ( hex or bin ) |
| 14:45.22 | stew | kb3ien: did you add contrib and apt-get update? |
| 14:45.35 | kb3ien | to where do i add contrib? |
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| 14:45.47 | kb3ien | sources.list ? |
| 14:45.50 | stew | dpkg: tell kb3ien about contrib |
| 14:45.57 | black_13 | how do i install xorg |
| 14:45.57 | struggler | hi all |
| 14:45.58 | disasm | infoclog: not sure, never tried |
| 14:46.02 | black_13 | on debian sarge |
| 14:46.10 | cephalic | pickcoder: whip out the beer dawgs. |
| 14:46.12 | pickcoder | kb3ien: yes.. next to "main" and/or "non-free" |
| 14:46.15 | black_13 | is it apt-get install .....? |
| 14:46.19 | stew | black_13: /topic |
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| 14:46.40 | sprink | kb3ien, sources.list has a man page. (most people don't think to check) |
| 14:46.46 | black_13 | thanks |
| 14:46.46 | kb3ien | okay, i get it. |
| 14:46.53 | pickcoder | cephalic: heh.. this is a freaky incident. I may just put the 2.6.16 image on it and let it go. |
| 14:46.57 | stew | !xorg sarge |
| 14:46.57 | dpkg | i heard xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 14:47.10 | stew | !xorg sarge is also ask me about <bpo> |
| 14:47.10 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 14:47.36 | pickcoder | what sucks is that it's a crucial system and it's been running flawlessly on AMD64 for 2 monts |
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| 14:47.59 | pickcoder | I put a "more stable" 32-bit version of Etch back on it and it croaks overnight |
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| 14:48.23 | kb3ien | okay NOW its getting what i need thanks, sprink, stew, bot |
| 14:51.15 | cephalic | lilalinux what do you use to manage your programs? |
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| 14:52.01 | cephalic | synaptic? apt-get? one the other, both? |
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| 14:52.31 | lilalinux | cephalic: apt-get |
| 14:52.35 | abrotman | i'm not sure you can turn off the gpg checking |
| 14:52.45 | abrotman | it's easy to add the keys anyways |
| 14:52.48 | lilalinux | it hangs with 99% [10 Release.gpg 0/189B 0%] |
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| 14:53.08 | cephalic | lemme scroll back (retarded me) |
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| 14:53.15 | abrotman | lilalinux: try another mirror |
| 14:53.44 | lilalinux | abrotman: I tried many mirrors of tux.org |
| 14:53.48 | stew | you can turn of gpg checking in apt.conf |
| 14:53.55 | stew | but its certainly not recommended |
| 14:54.16 | lilalinux | stew: that only disables the checking, but it hangs while processing Release.gpg in apt-get update |
| 14:54.22 | cephalic | drudging up the past: how do I configure apt _not_ to check gpg and not to fetch Release.gpg? |
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| 14:55.14 | cephalic | is it a bad mirror problem? |
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| 14:55.21 | chemaja | cephalic: i'd imagine something in apt.conf |
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| 14:55.34 | lilalinux | Errftp://metalab.unc.edu etch Release.gpg |
| 14:55.34 | lilalinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.49 | pickcoder | lilalinux: I've had the same issue before. change mirrors |
| 14:55.49 | stew | lilalinux: use http, its faster anyway |
| 14:55.49 | abrotman | lilalinux: try http://ftp.de.debian.org/ |
| 14:55.59 | pickcoder | lilalinux: and .. yeah what stew said. ftp can be problematic |
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| 14:56.35 | abrotman | did joey get mad and stop doing DWN ? |
| 14:56.58 | stew | i'm not sure about the mad part |
| 14:57.05 | abrotman | joeyh i mean |
| 14:57.24 | stew | no you mean joey |
| 14:57.49 | SerajewelKS | okay so i can have a working compiz, or the gimp |
| 14:57.57 | abrotman | stew: afaik .. it's joeyh |
| 14:58.13 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 14:58.15 | black_13 | stew so is xorgs availalbe on sarge? |
| 14:58.26 | stew | !nopony abrotman |
| 14:58.37 | Bhavesh | abrotman: if you need help being smacked please let me know, i volunteer to do it good |
| 14:58.39 | abrotman | !lose abrotman |
| 14:58.40 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 14:58.45 | abrotman | dpkg: that was bad |
| 14:58.51 | stew | black_13: no, but you can install it from backports.org |
| 14:58.56 | chemaja | is there a website that addresses the age-old question "i want to run sid. am i insane?" |
| 14:59.05 | abrotman | yeah |
| 14:59.06 | cephalic | no. |
| 14:59.08 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 14:59.08 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 14:59.09 | cephalic | lol |
| 14:59.09 | Bhavesh | a short answer 'may possibly be insane' |
| 14:59.11 | chemaja | ie. from a personal user's experience point of view |
| 14:59.15 | chemaja | aah |
| 14:59.31 | abrotman | chemaja: but unless you're pretty good at fixing broken things in debian .. i'd steer clear |
| 14:59.40 | cephalic | yes, no, maybe, i dunno, can you repeat the question |
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| 14:59.47 | black_13 | stew where would i find information on that? |
| 15:00.03 | pickcoder | chemaja: is there something specific in sid you have to have? |
| 15:00.07 | chemaja | see, if libpam0g breaks, i wouldn't have a clue what to do. i'd probably figure it out tho. |
| 15:00.08 | stew | black_13: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 15:00.12 | cephalic | I wouldn't do sid on a modem! |
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| 15:00.24 | cephalic | that's my advise |
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| 15:00.33 | chemaja | pickcoder: not really, no. |
| 15:00.48 | abrotman | chemaja: then realistically .. it's not good for you to use it |
| 15:00.52 | pickcoder | chemaja: then go with etch |
| 15:00.52 | lenrek | What are the best software to recover reiserFs data? |
| 15:00.53 | Bhavesh | i think no one reads my jokes no more |
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| 15:01.12 | chemaja | abrotman: so when these sid users fix broken things in debian, is it just to get their own machine back online or do they upload the fix... ie majority of people, obviously core developers would |
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| 15:01.21 | chemaja | pickcoder: yea i am on etch |
| 15:01.25 | pickcoder | ok |
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| 15:01.35 | abrotman | chemaja: depends on the nature of the fix/problem |
| 15:01.37 | chemaja | abrotman: ok |
| 15:01.46 | roe_ | does anyone know if the stock etch kernel has built in support for resizing ext3 FS while mounted? |
| 15:01.51 | chemaja | nah etch is cool |
| 15:01.58 | chemaja | i just have to learn apt-pinning again. again. |
| 15:02.15 | Bhavesh | what's going to be the name of the next next stable release? |
| 15:02.17 | chemaja | there's stuff that's in sid sometimes that isn't in etch |
| 15:02.19 | abrotman | dunno yet |
| 15:02.26 | stew | !CMD: nopony (.*?) is ($1): <reply> $1: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 15:02.27 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 15:02.43 | pickcoder | chemaja: sometimes there's stuff in Sarge and Sid, but not Etch.. <G> |
| 15:02.50 | JJ|Laptop | hey abrotman |
| 15:02.51 | moshii | I have exim setup and running for my two domains, I'd like it to also acts as a fallback for another domain so that it holds the mail until the the machine for that domain recovers. Is this possible? |
| 15:02.55 | chemaja | pickcoder: yea. it blows the billy goat. |
| 15:02.57 | pickcoder | chemaja: eventually it will get picked up.. hopefully before it's released |
| 15:03.05 | chemaja | pickcoder: indeed. |
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| 15:04.31 | pickcoder | moshii: I'm sure it is, but I'm not an Exim user. I could probably tell you how to do it with Postfix transport, though. |
| 15:04.38 | abrotman | JJ|Laptop: hi |
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| 15:05.50 | LoonaTick | Hi, when trying to install iputils-ping for amd64 it fails to install with a checksum error. |
| 15:05.54 | moshii | pickcoder:It took ages to get my exim setup running so I don't really want to move to postfix :/ |
| 15:06.04 | LoonaTick | Just install it with nodebsig or is there a problem? |
| 15:06.19 | moshii | pickcoder: if I kill things on this machine it takes about a week to get someone to fix it locally too :( |
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| 15:06.52 | pickcoder | moshii: I'm just saying it's possible, but I can't help you. In Postfix, I'd just add an SMTP transport map for "<domain> smtp:<other mail host>" |
| 15:07.05 | pickcoder | if <other mail host> is down, the mail will sit in the queue |
| 15:07.22 | pickcoder | exim should be configurable likewise |
| 15:07.26 | moshii | pickcoder: Ok, I'll see if there is something similar in exim |
| 15:07.42 | x_link | I have a question. |
| 15:08.04 | IndridCold | suppose I try and run a network service on my debian box, do I need to clear the use of the port it binds to with anything before it will be able to bind to it ? |
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| 15:08.10 | x_link | What is the word that I'm looking for... For example, when you had alot of food or something. |
| 15:08.13 | IndridCold | I dont have a firewall or anything like that |
| 15:08.24 | x_link | Then your stomach gets full and you feel ? |
| 15:08.24 | pickcoder | x_link: bloated? |
| 15:08.28 | pickcoder | :P |
| 15:08.53 | pickcoder | kinda like XML |
| 15:08.53 | Ronin | stuffed |
| 15:08.53 | x_link | In swedish we say Mätt |
| 15:08.53 | x_link | Stuffed ? |
| 15:08.53 | x_link | Ok |
| 15:08.53 | cephalic | speaking of hosts, anyone have any suggestions for an adult+free-speech+100MBps $20 +-$2 webhost (one that has a domain registered longer than me?) |
| 15:09.04 | x_link | I must go out and check up on the kids. |
| 15:09.05 | x_link | brb |
| 15:09.46 | moshii | cephalic: hmm you can get vps for that money |
| 15:09.51 | cephalic | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.24 | black_13 | is dpkg a bot a person |
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| 15:10.29 | cephalic | bot |
| 15:10.43 | pickcoder | humanoid |
| 15:11.06 | stew | !bot |
| 15:11.06 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 15:11.23 | cephalic | ;o) |
| 15:12.39 | eml | cephalic, You don't get any webhotel from your ISP? |
| 15:13.46 | cephalic | my isp got cancer, chemotherapy; going out of business. |
| 15:14.31 | cephalic | a nightmare of lost passwords, and downward-spiralling performance. |
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| 15:16.04 | cephalic | I'll rid us of "cPanel" anyway if possible |
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| 15:17.25 | roe_ | you don't like cPanel? |
| 15:17.39 | cephalic | roe absolutely not |
| 15:17.47 | roe_ | what would you prefer? |
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| 15:17.57 | roe_ | plex? |
| 15:18.25 | stew | cpanel is so horrible |
| 15:18.30 | cephalic | it is. |
| 15:18.40 | cephalic | it can cause a DOS |
| 15:18.41 | stew | i wish i could convince my clients of that |
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| 15:18.44 | roe_ | what alternatives are better? |
| 15:18.46 | cephalic | it can't be updated. |
| 15:18.49 | abrotman | vi! |
| 15:18.52 | stew | roe_: vim and screen |
| 15:18.55 | diskus | even pico is better |
| 15:18.57 | cephalic | exactly |
| 15:19.02 | cephalic | lol |
| 15:19.07 | cephalic | ssh |
| 15:19.19 | stew | it would be fine if i could just ignore it and edit config files by hand, but then cpanel will overwrite them on you |
| 15:19.27 | cephalic | yep |
| 15:19.29 | diskus | tunnelin X thru ssh and using xterm + nano |
| 15:19.30 | roe_ | even though I like your sentiment, if your managing a server farm you don't want to give your clients shell acess |
| 15:19.31 | stew | and it does stuff like overwrite packaged files on you |
| 15:19.55 | cephalic | roe_ yep, I understand the dilema. |
| 15:20.13 | stew | roe_: yeah, and if you cant trust them with shell access, why should you trust them with cpanel access? |
| 15:20.55 | LoonaTick | How do I set apt-get to not require dpkg signed .debs, anyone know? |
| 15:21.28 | stew | LoonaTick: you can put a GPG:Check option into apt.conf iirc, but why would you want to? |
| 15:21.28 | lilalinux | abrotman: great, the only http mirror for blackdown is discontinued O_o |
| 15:21.46 | abrotman | lilalinux: you sohuldn't use blackdown anyways .. it's old and out of date and was insecure |
| 15:21.46 | cephalic | I was looking at secureserver.something but they didn't like my content. (music videos) |
| 15:21.55 | SerajewelKS | hmm, it seems that though compiz runs, gtk-window-decorator just hangs |
| 15:22.00 | abrotman | !tell lilalinux about install java |
| 15:22.02 | lilalinux | abrotman: but now that you mention it, I seem to have problems with ftp generally on that host |
| 15:22.16 | lilalinux | abrotman: it's for a customer |
| 15:22.17 | cephalic | anyway shine it I will figure it out. |
| 15:22.23 | SerajewelKS | using etch, with relevant compiz stuff from experimental... and 1 hour on google yields nothing relevant |
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| 15:23.13 | roe_ | stew: its more a matter of ability than trust |
| 15:23.25 | SerajewelKS | i think i munt be missing a dependency for compiz-gtk but i can't find anything |
| 15:23.29 | SerajewelKS | must too |
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| 15:24.16 | lilalinux | is there an option for apt-get to only download? |
| 15:24.22 | SerajewelKS | lilalinux: -d |
| 15:24.26 | lilalinux | thx |
| 15:24.31 | SerajewelKS | lilalinux: RTFM next time |
| 15:25.28 | lilalinux | roger that |
| 15:25.59 | lilalinux | great, it was only that stupid host, works with a different machine |
| 15:26.06 | cephalic | roe_ our current cPanel server has a mail DOS, because of exim+spamd+clamd+eximstats (I dont need all that overhead that comes with cPanel, and they can't upgrade the OS) |
| 15:26.10 | LoonaTick | stew: Thanks, lots packages in amd64 are not signed, therefor i want to install unsigned versions |
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| 15:26.35 | petemc | cephalic: are you limiting the size of messages getting to spamassassin? |
| 15:26.41 | cephalic | roe_ and I don't even USE the mail |
| 15:26.41 | SerajewelKS | lilalinux: that happens a lot with mirrors |
| 15:26.51 | SerajewelKS | lilalinux: more so recently for some reason |
| 15:27.05 | cephalic | except for msg board confirmation sign-ups |
| 15:27.15 | roe_ | I bring it up cause I am in the process of setting up a hosting server and shopping for panel software |
| 15:27.25 | cephalic | yeah this is a hosting server. |
| 15:27.30 | cephalic | I need out. |
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| 15:27.51 | cephalic | shopping ain't so bad. |
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| 15:28.24 | cephalic | when you got inbound mail dictionary attacks on a low end server.. yipes. |
| 15:28.45 | petemc | a dictionary attack should be easily dealt with |
| 15:28.45 | cephalic | and I am just one on a server with many others. |
| 15:29.01 | petemc | this isn 1996 |
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| 15:29.12 | cephalic | vhosts drop vs blackhole |
| 15:29.19 | cephalic | but I can not change it |
| 15:29.32 | cephalic | it serves others. I just need out. |
| 15:29.42 | petemc | seems very little point discussing it here then |
| 15:29.52 | roe_ | I like Cpanel over the alternatives.. Plesk and the immature OSS choices |
| 15:30.08 | roe_ | yea, sorry it is off-topic |
| 15:30.20 | cephalic | ditto. I'm quiet. |
| 15:30.45 | abrotman | lilalinux: you sohuldn't be using blackdown .. really :) |
| 15:31.54 | stew | roe_: have you tried vhcs? |
| 15:32.20 | cephalic | roe_ one last thing, check out Direct Admin |
| 15:32.35 | cephalic | that's it. Done on this topic. |
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| 15:32.51 | roe_ | :) |
| 15:33.17 | stew | the fact that cpanel wants to replace /usr/bin/perl even though it is packaged makes it completely broken in my mind |
| 15:33.32 | abrotman | perl or cpanel? |
| 15:33.50 | azeem | abrotman: what a strange question |
| 15:33.50 | lilalinux | abrotman: did I mention, that it's the customers wish, not mine ;) |
| 15:33.52 | stew | abrotman: perl. cpanel has no problems overwriting files that come from packages |
| 15:34.21 | lilalinux | SerajewelKS: in my case it's the machine |
| 15:34.26 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 15:34.39 | lilalinux | I guess it's a dsl problem |
| 15:34.45 | lilalinux | fragmentation or such |
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| 15:34.59 | black_13 | so which should you use backports or unstable to get xorg? |
| 15:35.03 | abrotman | backports |
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| 15:36.45 | cephalic | crap I think the october surprise is IRAN!! damn it |
| 15:37.01 | chemaja | abrotman: what happens when you diverge from stable using backports... ie. when you go that bit too far... how do you "pull back", if at all? is there an apt-purge-all-heathens command or something |
| 15:37.08 | black_13 | abrotman i need to modify the /etc/sources.list file to get the backports correct? |
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| 15:37.44 | chemaja | black_13: yes. |
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| 15:38.01 | chemaja | black_13: check the backports website; it has doc |
| 15:38.16 | black_13 | thanks |
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| 15:39.00 | DaveyB | How do i find out what resource is using my alsa driver so I can kill it? |
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| 15:39.45 | abrotman | black_13: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 15:39.53 | abrotman | chemaja: not really |
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| 15:42.26 | cydork | DaveyB: you getin msg regarding /dev/dsp? |
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| 15:43.00 | wols | DaveyB: lsof/fuser can do it |
| 15:43.15 | beardy | Is it possible to, instead of using client keys, authenticate with login and password, and use passwd for authentication, and perhaps only allow people that are in the group openvpn, for example, to connect? |
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| 15:43.46 | beardy | (I'm talking about openvpn) |
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| 15:45.22 | leuname | hi, i am having some problems with my hpt laserjet printer with ubuntu, i would like to know if debian works with my printer |
| 15:45.47 | leuname | and changing so could be the solution |
| 15:46.07 | lunitik | leuname: www.linux-printing.org |
| 15:46.18 | DaveyB | wols, thankyou |
| 15:46.28 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 15:46.29 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 15:46.56 | zinx | leuname: switching to debian is unlikely to fix your printer problems |
| 15:46.58 | cahoot | leuname: not very probable your problem is distrorelated |
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| 15:52.24 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:52.25 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 15:52.51 | beardy | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 15:53.00 | rgsteele | lol |
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| 15:54.36 | abrotman | !phillysmite rgsteele |
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| 15:54.55 | beardy | rgsteele: Hmm, they have a song about cheesesteaks? (I'm not sure I know what a cheesesteak really is though) |
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| 15:55.07 | beardy | Or is this a baseballteam? |
| 15:55.16 | rgsteele | No. But Eagles fans threw snowballs at Santa Claus and cheered when Michael Irvin had a neck injury. |
| 15:55.19 | abrotman | eagles are a football team |
| 15:55.21 | rgsteele | It's a football team. |
| 15:55.25 | beardy | Oh. |
| 15:55.28 | abrotman | phillies are baseball |
| 15:55.33 | abrotman | beardy: american football |
| 15:55.42 | abrotman | !cheesesteak |
| 15:55.42 | dpkg | from memory, cheesesteak is http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 15:55.46 | abrotman | beardy: ^^ |
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| 15:56.54 | rgsteele | http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com |
| 15:57.04 | rgsteele | Ok, that's the only time I'll plug that here, I promise ;) |
| 15:57.22 | abrotman | they suck |
| 15:57.32 | abrotman | house of cards ... |
| 15:57.35 | rgsteele | Although, I'm sure every American enjoyed watching T.O. piss and moan on the sidelines :) |
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| 15:57.48 | stew | i didn't |
| 15:58.21 | beardy | I'll have one if I ever go to Philadelphia. Or, I'll have abrotman buy me one ;) |
| 15:58.30 | abrotman | you can do that |
| 15:58.36 | stew | beardy: a trip to philly wouldn't be complete without one |
| 15:58.42 | _rui_ | looking for an advice about pcmcia wireless card, what chipset to buy? (no ralink please) |
| 15:58.45 | abrotman | stew: how many did you have? :) |
| 15:58.49 | stew | ever? |
| 15:58.54 | stew | :) |
| 15:58.57 | abrotman | your last visit to philly? |
| 15:59.06 | h3sp4wn | _rui_: Atheros (if you don't mind ath_hal tainting your kernel) |
| 15:59.11 | stew | beardy: buy get some soggy pretzels from someone selling them on the side of the road too |
| 15:59.16 | fluxdude | is there a way to run a service on a privileged port without using root? can I grant the right ot another user? |
| 15:59.22 | lilalinux | does anybody have a tomcat 4.1 deb for etch lying around? |
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| 15:59.28 | beardy | stew: Will do. |
| 15:59.30 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 15:59.30 | dpkg | from memory, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 15:59.56 | lilalinux | abrotman: I need it for etch |
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| 15:59.59 | abrotman | i know |
| 16:00.01 | abrotman | go there .. find it |
| 16:00.04 | lilalinux | thx |
| 16:00.12 | abrotman | everything that is in etch .. was once in sid |
| 16:00.38 | lilalinux | wise spoken |
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| 16:01.31 | abrotman | stew: we should get damog to come for new years .. he can go to the mummers parade! |
| 16:01.42 | stew | abrotman: come to our place for new years |
| 16:01.47 | _rui_ | h3sp4wn: in which brands i can find Atheros, do you know? |
| 16:01.51 | beardy | !wise abrotman |
| 16:01.51 | dpkg | Here me wiseguys; listen to abrotman, for he is a wise man! |
| 16:01.53 | abrotman | stew: he was talking about going to nyc for xmas time |
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| 16:02.00 | stew | abrotman: there you go |
| 16:02.05 | abrotman | xmas/newyears |
| 16:02.10 | sinnlos | anywhere knows sendmail ? |
| 16:02.17 | stew | abrotman: i have college friends that force rcox and i to have a NYE party every year |
| 16:02.18 | beardy | !sendmail |
| 16:02.19 | dpkg | i heard sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. |
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| 16:02.30 | stew | abrotman: they don't ask us if we are having one, they just buy plane tickets |
| 16:03.09 | sinnlos | ok, but: |
| 16:03.12 | abrotman | stew: that's nice of them .. |
| 16:03.17 | sinnlos | exim4 install is broken |
| 16:03.21 | abrotman | stew: maybe i''ll just show up this year :) |
| 16:03.25 | lilalinux | abrotman: THX |
| 16:03.30 | sinnlos | postmailer does not have all files !!! |
| 16:03.37 | lunitik | stew: force you? you need convincing to party on new years? |
| 16:03.41 | sinnlos | esmtp i dont know |
| 16:03.46 | sinnlos | HELP :((( |
| 16:03.49 | beardy | sinnlos: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:03.53 | sinnlos | 3.1 |
| 16:03.58 | quicoju_ | i keep getting this error when trying to startx: could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 16:04.09 | cydork | !tell quicoju_ about fixed |
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| 16:04.20 | quicoju_ | cydork: ok! |
| 16:04.24 | wols | sinnlos: what do you do and what is the error? |
| 16:04.25 | beardy | sinnlos: You must have broken your exim4 in some way, it should work fine in sarge.. |
| 16:04.25 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 16:04.55 | HardDisk_WP | i got a vserver and have really big problems. anyone around to give a noob a walkthough? |
| 16:05.03 | h3sp4wn | _rui_: http://www.ubnt.com - their cardbus card is what you want (best wireless card you can buy in my oppinion) - or look on madwifi.net for other supported ones |
| 16:05.12 | sinnlos | beardy i have i 6. installs away here, and this thing does NOT running. |
| 16:05.17 | wols | sinnlos: what is the output of "dpkg -l libc6"? |
| 16:05.31 | wols | sinnlos: there is no debian 6. |
| 16:05.47 | sinnlos | wols: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 |
| 16:05.48 | beardy | sinnlos: Please answer wols. |
| 16:06.19 | wols | so what about those "6. installs"? |
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| 16:06.36 | sinnlos | of postfix exim or sendmail ? |
| 16:06.41 | wols | sinnlos: and if you don't have exim4 running you haven't isntalled debian or you have changed it in the past |
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| 16:07.04 | sinnlos | wols: only a upgrade |
| 16:07.18 | num000 | hello, can anyone point me to some documentation? i would like to encode a microphone output to a 3gp stream, does anyone know how to start for this? |
| 16:07.19 | wols | sinnlos: eevn with upgrade: no exim5, no debian |
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| 16:07.40 | sinnlos | i will only a mailserver |
| 16:07.41 | wols | *exim4 |
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| 16:07.57 | sinnlos | exim4 does not run --> apt-get have a configure error |
| 16:07.59 | wols | sinnlos: can you _please_ start answering questions? |
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| 16:08.20 | sinnlos | postfix failed becouse there is no /etc/postfix/postfix-script |
| 16:08.37 | sinnlos | wols: can i have a mailserver that running ? :) |
| 16:08.47 | sinnlos | with debian |
| 16:09.09 | wols | sinnlos: join debian.de. english isn't your language... |
| 16:09.20 | sinnlos | i know |
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| 16:12.59 | CRK-FOX | hello guys |
| 16:12.59 | chemaja | hi |
| 16:13.02 | chemaja | oh whoops |
| 16:13.06 | chemaja | i thought y'all were dpkg |
| 16:13.27 | CRK-FOX | How I can put my system font with highlight?? (console and vim) |
| 16:13.30 | chemaja | ps. what is up with dpkg-source? is it still the correct tool for .deb source manip? |
| 16:13.48 | chemaja | i'm looking at http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
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| 16:14.04 | CRK-FOX | I want to see syntax highlight in my system and through console ssh |
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| 16:14.19 | CRK-FOX | any ideas? |
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| 16:14.37 | chemaja | CRK-FOX: use a terminal that supports it; |
| 16:14.41 | beardy | CRK-FOX: Fiddle with your $TERM environment variable. |
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| 16:15.02 | CRK-FOX | beardy: can you guide me? |
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| 16:15.17 | beardy | CRK-FOX: Not really.. what are you ssh:ing from? |
| 16:15.25 | poopybutt | what torrent client do a few of you guys suggest? |
| 16:15.43 | sussudio | azureus |
| 16:15.46 | chemaja | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free <-- this should provide dpkg-source, no? |
| 16:15.47 | stew | poopybutt: rtorrent |
| 16:15.57 | rgsteele | lol, speaking of apt-get moo |
| 16:15.59 | stew | chemaja: no, s/deb/deb-src/ |
| 16:16.06 | CRK-FOX | I use putty |
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| 16:16.09 | poopybutt | im using ktorrent and im not sure but my connection doesnt seem so great |
| 16:16.09 | rgsteele | Newest spam message subject: mtv cows week |
| 16:16.10 | h3sp4wn | Is there a standard way to make rxvt (unicode) put text into both buffers when its selected (cut and paste too and from firefox) does rxvt use ~/.Xdefaults ? |
| 16:16.13 | stew | chemaja: err, i'm not sure, what do you mean? |
| 16:16.24 | poopybutt | does anybody else think ktorrent sucks? |
| 16:16.26 | CRK-FOX | when I connect to a mandriva box... I can see the system with syntax higlights... |
| 16:16.41 | chemaja | stew: why would i want the _source_ for a package i just want to actually run... ? |
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| 16:16.44 | chemaja | stew: look at my URL |
| 16:16.45 | beardy | CRK-FOX: What does 'echo $TERM' say, when you run it in the terminal you are ssh:ed in, in putty? |
| 16:16.45 | CRK-FOX | but when I connect my putty to my debian sarge box... is all in white |
| 16:16.55 | chemaja | stew: it mentions a package dpkg-source |
| 16:16.59 | Braindead | CRK-FOX: :syntax on on vim |
| 16:17.04 | chemaja | stew: for use, not compilation, etc. |
| 16:17.13 | Braindead | configure your vimrc accordingly |
| 16:17.22 | chemaja | i'm either brain dead, or it's a doco bug |
| 16:17.22 | stew | chemaja: sorry your question wasn't clear. there is no package named dpkg-source. /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 16:17.27 | beardy | CRK-FOX: When you to 'ls', do you see different colors? |
| 16:17.30 | stew | chemaja: and /msg dpkg search |
| 16:17.34 | CRK-FOX | beardy:no |
| 16:17.44 | chemaja | "The utility dpkg-source packs and unpacks Debian source archives; details are provided in its manual page." |
| 16:17.59 | beardy | CRK-FOX: (If you have ls with colors, but IIRC, it is the default) |
| 16:18.00 | CRK-FOX | beardy:echo $TERM show me "xterm" |
| 16:18.01 | stew | chemaja: i don't see any errors there |
| 16:18.21 | beardy | CRK-FOX: And you are running as a user, not su:ed to root? |
| 16:18.55 | chemaja | stew: so how do i get dpkg-source? |
| 16:19.19 | CRK-FOX | beardy: I login with root |
| 16:19.23 | beardy | CRK-FOX: Perhaps you don't have that many different files in your homedir, but 'ls /var/log' should show colors, if you are able to see them. |
| 16:19.30 | beardy | CRK-FOX: Don't do that. |
| 16:19.33 | tralala | chemaja: by installing dpkg-dev |
| 16:19.36 | beardy | CRK-FOX: That explains it. |
| 16:19.48 | stew | chemaja: /msg dpkg search ; /msg dpkg apt-file ; use packages.debian.org or apt-file to figure out what package it's in and aptitude install packagename |
| 16:19.55 | CRK-FOX | beardy: are you sure? |
| 16:19.56 | beardy | CRK-FOX: Disable root login over ssh, login as a user, and use su when you have to. |
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| 16:20.11 | beardy | CRK-FOX: Atleast when it comes to ls and colors, yes. |
| 16:20.15 | CRK-FOX | beardy: I can do that.. but that don't fix my colors |
| 16:20.20 | chemaja | omfg. i *am* brain dead. |
| 16:20.25 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: you need to set the colors via putty |
| 16:20.30 | chemaja | oh dear. |
| 16:20.35 | chemaja | time to get some sleep. night folk. |
| 16:20.41 | rgsteele | There are settings for the color there (foreground, background, etc) |
| 16:20.52 | CRK-FOX | rgsteele: you are wrong... the same putty client, in different IP showme colors... |
| 16:21.00 | tralala | xlibmesa-dri has a security update which reduces the package size ~7 times. Any ideas why? http://rafb.net/paste/results/udDOQn46.html |
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| 16:21.14 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: And you edited the .vimrc for root on that box? |
| 16:21.20 | stew | tralala: in which version of debian? |
| 16:21.30 | stew | oh security, i guess stable then |
| 16:21.35 | rgsteele | (I'm not going into the subject of why you shouldn't be logging in as root, I'm assuming you have some very good reason for doing so) |
| 16:21.35 | CRK-FOX | rgsteele:no |
| 16:21.42 | beardy | CRK-FOX: Check your putty settings, The top three checkboxes is on for me. And for vim and so on, make sure you have configured them to actually show colors. |
| 16:21.43 | alfadir | the apache2.2 transition.. i'm missing the module mod_authn_file, any hints ? |
| 16:21.50 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: edit /root/.vimrc |
| 16:21.54 | tralala | stew: yep, sarge amd64 |
| 16:21.57 | beardy | CRK-FOX: Top three checkboxes under Colors. |
| 16:22.22 | CRK-FOX | beardy: bear... |
| 16:22.22 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: However, that's only going to affect things that you're editing with VIM |
| 16:22.35 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: For standard terminal colors, it's the putty settings |
| 16:23.03 | CRK-FOX | beardy: the same putty I can see colors in a Mandriva box... isnot the configuration of putty, the problem is on side of server |
| 16:23.05 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: I am 100% positive. Make sure you edit the colors for each separate PuTTY account |
| 16:23.22 | num000 | how do i encode audio from a microphone with linux? |
| 16:23.32 | CRK-FOX | rgsteele: let me see... wait |
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| 16:23.54 | Honz0 | How do I use umtp/wtmp to see who has been logging in/out |
| 16:24.01 | tralala | num000: capture it with arecord to .wav and then use your favourite encoder to encode it |
| 16:24.07 | cydork | Honz0: lastlog, last |
| 16:24.10 | beardy | CRK-FOX: Check what $TERM you have on the Mandriva box. |
| 16:24.19 | num000 | tralala can i also do this with live streams |
| 16:24.32 | rgsteele | beardy: I'm betting he just didn't set the colors for the session he saved for the Debian box |
| 16:24.36 | rgsteele | In PuTTY |
| 16:24.52 | beardy | rgsteele: That is likely yes. |
| 16:25.02 | num000 | tralala i mean can i encode live streams into 3gp for example? |
| 16:25.22 | beardy | rgsteele: I don't remember if they are on by default or not.. I have them in all my sessions. |
| 16:25.35 | CRK-FOX | beardy: $TERM variable is the same in mandriva and linux |
| 16:25.39 | rgsteele | beardy: They are, but they're set to like gray and white |
| 16:25.42 | alfadir | a2enmod authn_file was ok, needed to do an apt-file update.. hehe.. did not find it... |
| 16:26.05 | tralala | num000: I don't know |
| 16:26.08 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: If you're trying to set the terminal colors, it's PuTTY issue. If you're not familiar with how to change those, I'm afraid we can't help you. |
| 16:26.28 | rgsteele | We've already explained several different times what the issue is. |
| 16:26.30 | CRK-FOX | rgsteele: you are wrong |
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| 16:26.37 | rgsteele | Nope. I'm not. |
| 16:26.42 | beardy | rgsteele: Hmm, colors work for me, but not when I run screen.. |
| 16:27.09 | rgsteele | I use PuTTY for 9 hours every day, connecting to Debian boxes. |
| 16:27.11 | CRK-FOX | rgsteele: yes, I can see colors with putty when I connect to my Mandriva Server... |
| 16:27.14 | beardy | rgsteele: On sarge, that is, ssh:ing in with puTTY. |
| 16:27.24 | rgsteele | Yep, same setup here beardy. |
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| 16:28.04 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: At a regular prompt, or when you're editing files? |
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| 16:28.10 | beardy | CRK-FOX: If you log in as a user, and don't run screen, colors should work.. |
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| 16:28.34 | rgsteele | I think part of the issue here is the language barrier. |
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| 16:29.34 | x_link | I have a transparent taskbar and K Menu, does that use more CPU/RAM ? |
| 16:29.54 | CRK-FOX | rgsteele: is very hard to you understand that is not a issue with PUTTY? |
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| 16:30.05 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: Yep |
| 16:30.09 | beardy | rgsteele: Not necessarily, I saw now that I have the terminal set to "linux" not xterm, in my session. |
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| 16:30.26 | rgsteele | Ah. My terminals are set to xterm iirc |
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| 16:31.01 | PF | Does anyone know is Sven Luther frequents this IRC channel. He is a Debian PPC guru. |
| 16:31.14 | beardy | CRK-FOX: Try change the terminal to "linux" instead of "xterm" in puTTY, under Connection->Data |
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| 16:31.49 | CRK-FOX | beardy: in VIM, I can use SYNTAX ON and colors come to life... |
| 16:31.56 | Ronin | PF: probibly never |
| 16:32.01 | PF | darn |
| 16:32.02 | beardy | CRK-FOX: Yes, and that was what we said.. |
| 16:32.12 | CRK-FOX | beardy: now I need set up my system colors... |
| 16:32.22 | mortal5 | does anyone know if you can be compelled to reveal the encryption key to your hard drive in a civil case? |
| 16:32.33 | mortal5 | (just out of curiosity) |
| 16:32.38 | Ronin | mortal5: best just as a lawyer |
| 16:32.42 | beardy | mortal5: Does it matter? Just refuse? |
| 16:32.49 | CRK-FOX | beardy: out of vim... Im still in black and white... :/ |
| 16:32.58 | beardy | CRK-FOX: Read what I said above. |
| 16:33.25 | Pryon | mortal5: If that's a likely scenario for you, it would be best to consult a competent legal professional |
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| 16:34.03 | beardy | mortal5: And use a sledgehammer, then fire, then a shovel, on the drive. |
| 16:34.15 | beardy | mortal5: After zeroing in 100 times. |
| 16:34.15 | Ronin | beardy: thermite charge :) |
| 16:34.18 | beardy | it |
| 16:34.29 | beardy | Ronin: Yep :) |
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| 16:35.24 | Pryon | Destruction of evidence (designated as such) is probably not your wisest move. |
| 16:35.36 | Pryon | May as well plead guilty. |
| 16:35.41 | beardy | Just a suggestion, not advice. |
| 16:35.59 | Ronin | not to mention my suggestion would take out more then just the drive :) |
| 16:37.31 | SubStack | mortal5: in the |
| 16:37.35 | SubStack | arg |
| 16:37.40 | SubStack | mortal5: in the UK you are |
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| 16:38.56 | SubStack | but as far as I can tell there's nothing like that in the US |
| 16:38.58 | SubStack | yet |
| 16:39.37 | Pryon | They could just ship you off to elbonia |
| 16:39.52 | rgsteele | Any good way to tell a port on a box to stop listening? |
| 16:39.59 | Pryon | netstat -at |
| 16:40.04 | Pryon | do |
| 16:40.04 | SubStack | not that evidence really means anything anymore |
| 16:40.05 | Pryon | doh |
| 16:40.22 | Pryon | rgsteele: tell the program that opens the port to not run |
| 16:40.57 | Pryon | rgsteele: or comment out the entry in /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 16:41.06 | wols | Pryon: which program? |
| 16:41.06 | Pryon | Depends on how it's run, really. |
| 16:41.23 | Pryon | wols: the program listening on a given port |
| 16:42.19 | wols | Pryon: sry. should have asked rgsteele |
| 16:42.25 | wols | rgsteele: which program? |
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| 16:42.57 | rgsteele | I'm not sure. I grepped for 10000 in inetd.conf but didn't get any hits |
| 16:43.05 | JoelR | is there a kernel > 2.6.8 available in sarge repositories for sarge? |
| 16:43.07 | Pryon | netstat -atp | grep 10000 |
| 16:43.22 | rgsteele | Right, I get tcp 10000 listen |
| 16:43.25 | tralala | JoelR: no |
| 16:43.34 | poopybutt | anybody have java problems trying to run azureus |
| 16:43.35 | JoelR | fscking shut |
| 16:43.38 | tralala | JoelR: there is in backports though |
| 16:43.46 | JoelR | tgey don't work well |
| 16:43.48 | rgsteele | ah |
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| 16:43.51 | JoelR | they* |
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| 16:43.54 | Pryon | rgsteele: Does the end of the line not indicate a program name? |
| 16:43.59 | tralala | they surely work fine for me |
| 16:44.05 | rgsteele | Pyron: 4410/Perl |
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| 16:44.21 | homecable | whats the lastes copy of debian ? |
| 16:44.25 | rgsteele | It wrapped funny so I didn't see it the first time. |
| 16:44.29 | wols | homecable: 3.1R3 |
| 16:44.35 | homecable | what kernel ? |
| 16:44.38 | wols | rgsteele: what is this perl script running? |
| 16:44.53 | CRK-FOX | rgsteele beardy: thank you guys I fix the problem with my colors... was a server side config |
| 16:44.55 | rgsteele | Ah, freaking webmin |
| 16:44.56 | wols | homecable: 2.4.27/2.6.8-3 by default |
| 16:44.59 | poopybutt | i installed azurues with apt-get and when i try to run i get this error message and it wont load http://paste.debian.net/14696 |
| 16:45.18 | rgsteele | Pyron: Thanks for the tips |
| 16:45.35 | Pryon | np |
| 16:45.51 | mortal5 | reason i ask, i was thinking about encrypting my hard drive, but it's not much good if just anyone can sue for access in a civil case |
| 16:46.12 | CRK-FOX | how I can check if one daemon is configured for execute when system starts¿ |
| 16:46.14 | patterson | think about the data instead |
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| 16:46.17 | tralala | poopybutt: what does echo $DISPLAY say? |
| 16:46.38 | lord_rob | Hi ! Can apt-get still work if you disable ipv6 (sit0) ? |
| 16:46.38 | cahoot | mortal5: you are aware the answer is most probably country specific? |
| 16:46.44 | cydork | poopybutt: which java are you using? |
| 16:46.57 | poopybutt | im not really sure, how do i know? |
| 16:47.02 | mortal5 | cahoot: yes, sry i should have said, USA |
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| 16:47.25 | Pryon | 'java -version' might do it |
| 16:47.35 | Pryon | possibly --version |
| 16:47.40 | patterson | do like intel does. don't put anything in writing that is incrimiinating and subject to discovery |
| 16:47.48 | cydork | poopybutt: ls -l /etc/alternatives/java |
| 16:47.50 | homecable | whats the link to the debian iso |
| 16:48.00 | Pryon | which debian ISO? |
| 16:48.11 | x_link | Is there any good, fast and small web browser that doesn't use much CPU/RAM? |
| 16:48.16 | homecable | the 3.1R3 stable |
| 16:48.23 | mortal5 | x_link dillo |
| 16:48.23 | tralala | x_link: links -g |
| 16:48.34 | cydork | homecable: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 16:48.37 | wols | homecable: netinst or which of the 14 other CDs? |
| 16:48.50 | tralala | x_link: aka links2 |
| 16:48.53 | wols | there's also businesscard and possibly a bootfloppies CD |
| 16:48.59 | x_link | Okey. |
| 16:49.05 | x_link | apt-get install links2 right? |
| 16:49.17 | tralala | yep |
| 16:49.29 | x_link | Okey. |
| 16:49.33 | CRK-FOX | how I can check if one daemon is configured for execute when system starts¿ |
| 16:49.36 | x_link | I tried that now but it didn't work. |
| 16:49.57 | x_link | It told me that it might be fixed it I run apt-get update. So I'am doing that now. |
| 16:49.57 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 16:49.58 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 16:50.10 | cydork | CRK-FOX: ^^ |
| 16:50.20 | tralala | x_link: what's "that" and how did it not work? |
| 16:50.21 | CRK-FOX | cydork: :P |
| 16:50.40 | poopybutt | is this right /usr/lib/j2re1.4-sun/bin/java |
| 16:50.56 | cydork | poopybutt: which version of debian are you using? |
| 16:51.01 | poopybutt | sid |
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| 16:51.13 | x_link | tralala: Wait, I will look when the update is done. |
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| 16:51.18 | x_link | It said something like |
| 16:51.35 | x_link | W: Couldn't get status on shellcode packagelist...... |
| 16:51.52 | x_link | I translate it from swedish to english, so it might not say exactly like that. But it's something like that. |
| 16:52.03 | CRK-FOX | someone can help me? |
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| 16:52.14 | cydork | CRK-FOX: use rcconf. |
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| 16:52.31 | abrotman | !tell CRK-FOX about grounding |
| 16:52.40 | tralala | x_link: if you put LANG=C in front of your commands you won't have to translate them |
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| 16:52.54 | x_link | Okey. |
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| 16:53.24 | poopybutt | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 2006-10-02 18:51 /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/j2 re1.4-sun/bin/java that is the full output |
| 16:53.53 | tralala | CRK-FOX: man update-rc.d |
| 16:54.02 | CRK-FOX | cydork: rcconf? |
| 16:54.03 | rgsteele | Maybe it's just me, but I can't take anyone called poopybutt seriously. |
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| 16:54.13 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: Yep, that'd work too |
| 16:54.29 | poopybutt | rgsteele: yeah, its a sweet name |
| 16:54.41 | rgsteele | If you say so |
| 16:54.49 | cydork | poopybutt: sid has jre 1.4? |
| 16:54.51 | CRK-FOX | rgsteele: I put rcconf in the console and nothing happen |
| 16:55.17 | lord_rob | cydork: 1.5 |
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| 16:55.28 | x_link | tralala: http://pastebin.ca/197942 |
| 16:55.29 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: There are some libraries you'll need to support the GUI for rcconf |
| 16:55.36 | kml | is this a valid entry in lilo.conf append="root=dev/sda2" with out the / in front of dev? |
| 16:55.36 | x_link | There you go. That's the message I get. |
| 16:55.40 | rgsteele | It should give you some errors if it doesn't have those libraries |
| 16:55.51 | CRK-FOX | bash: command not found (after rcconf + ENTER) |
| 16:55.58 | rgsteele | I don't remember what they are offhand. Probably some ncurses libs |
| 16:56.05 | rgsteele | Oh |
| 16:56.10 | rgsteele | Do you have the package? |
| 16:56.14 | tralala | x_link: are you running sarge? |
| 16:56.14 | CRK-FOX | xD |
| 16:56.20 | rgsteele | (e.g., you did an apt-get install rcconf)? |
| 16:56.22 | CRK-FOX | wait.. |
| 16:56.25 | abrotman | !tell CRK-FOX about grounding |
| 16:56.40 | rgsteele | Grounding? |
| 16:56.43 | cydork | poopybutt: then why do you have jre 1.4?? when sid has 1.5. that might not be the issue though. |
| 16:56.44 | x_link | tralala: I don't know what that is. |
| 16:56.47 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: dont be mad ok? |
| 16:56.59 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: try reading something .. anything .. it's for your benefit |
| 16:56.59 | tralala | x_link: it's debian stable |
| 16:57.31 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: some times the time is a very important variable |
| 16:57.35 | x_link | tralala: I use Debian Testing |
| 16:57.38 | tralala | *plonk* |
| 16:57.39 | x_link | Unstable. |
| 16:57.42 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: That's when you pay somebody |
| 16:57.46 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: so you can't read .. because you're in a hurry ? |
| 16:57.54 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: yes |
| 16:58.05 | rgsteele | CRK-FOX: If you can't meet a deadline, hire someone who can. |
| 16:58.06 | poopybutt | i dont know, if i upgrade will that fix the problem? |
| 16:58.07 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: you've been asking *basic* questions in here for weeks .. can't be in that much of a hurry |
| 16:58.21 | tralala | x_link: try /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 16:58.30 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: if you want to, I can leave this channel |
| 16:58.39 | rgsteele | !tell rgsteele grounding |
| 16:58.45 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: no .. i'd like you to read some introductory documentation |
| 16:58.48 | cydork | !tell rgsteele about msg the bot |
| 16:58.50 | abrotman | !tell rgsteele about grounding |
| 16:58.50 | Gecko | Hey there, does anyone know if it is possible (or more: how) to get interface statistics by SNMP from a linux box? |
| 16:58.53 | abrotman | !tell rgsteele about selftell |
| 16:59.08 | pickcoder | CRK-FOX: apt-get install sysv-rc-conf |
| 16:59.16 | x_link | tralala: Done. What should I do now ? |
| 16:59.16 | tralala | tell abrotman about spam ;) |
| 16:59.20 | pickcoder | then run sysv-rc-conf |
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| 16:59.31 | abrotman | tell tralala about fishing |
| 16:59.32 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: may be basic for you is advanced for me... |
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| 16:59.33 | rgsteele | Heh, sorry. I wanted to ground myself to see what the message was :) |
| 16:59.44 | tralala | x_link: what's done? You've installed the 2006 key? |
| 17:00.07 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: go *read* introductory documentation |
| 17:00.12 | CRK-FOX | anyway... I leave and begin to search a channel to ppl like me, cya |
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| 17:00.19 | x_link | tralala: sudo apt-key add - |
| 17:00.26 | x_link | Should I type that to install it ? |
| 17:00.43 | tralala | x_link: you should type the whole command that dpkg gives you |
| 17:00.45 | CRK-FOX | c ya later, thanks for support and help... specially stew.. and beardy... c ya |
| 17:00.53 | rgsteele | abrotman: I don't get a thanks? |
| 17:00.55 | rgsteele | ack |
| 17:01.03 | rgsteele | I meant to direct that to crk, and to do it sarcastically |
| 17:01.06 | CRK-FOX | rgsteele, thanks for you too |
| 17:01.11 | x_link | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 17:01.17 | tralala | yes |
| 17:01.18 | x_link | tralala: That ? |
| 17:01.20 | x_link | Okey |
| 17:01.35 | rgsteele | Ugh, when you mess up sarcasm, it just makes you look like an ass |
| 17:01.40 | tralala | if you're root already there's no need of sudo |
| 17:01.52 | pickcoder | CRK-FOX: read my statements regarding rc.d |
| 17:01.53 | x_link | bash:add - didn't find command |
| 17:01.58 | x_link | bash:add - didn't find command add- |
| 17:02.12 | CRK-FOX | pickoder:K |
| 17:02.38 | tralala | meh, maybe you should reconsider your decision to run sid... |
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| 17:02.55 | CRK-FOX | if you want to know... CRK was a clan of Q3A... not like a hacker o cracker... |
| 17:03.02 | kml | when chroot to new rootfs it compliants about "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash'" any ideas? |
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| 17:03.31 | Talnakh | hi everyone. i wanted to ask if you are aware of any solution to replicate an IMAP box on the remote server. plus i want to remove mail from original imap store but folders stay intact. plus when mail is added to original store it is being moved to backup store. any ideas? |
| 17:03.49 | tralala | kml: maybe there's no /bin/bash? |
| 17:04.11 | lord_rob | Hi ! Can apt-get still work if you disable ipv6 (sit0) ? |
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| 17:04.26 | valdyn | lord_rob: sure |
| 17:04.31 | tralala | lord_rob: yes, if you have a working ipv4 network |
| 17:04.55 | kml | this is /bin/bash in the new rootfs |
| 17:05.04 | kml | s/this/there/ |
| 17:05.18 | tralala | kml: so maybe there's a shared lib missing |
| 17:05.26 | valdyn | kml: it probably isnt |
| 17:05.34 | valdyn | kml: shared libs would be just /lib |
| 17:05.40 | lord_rob | valdyn: tralala is there something special to ask them not to try to ask ipv6 dns ? (gethostbyname6 ?) |
| 17:05.57 | valdyn | lord_rob: no, why? |
| 17:06.33 | tralala | lord_rob: "them"? |
| 17:06.33 | valdyn | lord_rob: you could disable ipv6 entirely, but that doent stop random applications from useing random functions |
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| 17:06.52 | kml | i did an rsync -a from orginal rootfs to new rootfs so i think all files are there, should it be? |
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| 17:07.13 | pickcoder | kml: the files in your chroot directory aren't symlinks, are they? |
| 17:07.48 | kml | except maybe no proc and tmp directories in the new rootfs. |
| 17:07.59 | tralala | kml: do you have everything listed by ldd /bin/bash in the chroot? |
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| 17:08.09 | ttl- | hi |
| 17:08.18 | valdyn | kml: that's a huge maybe |
| 17:08.23 | kml | will have to check with ldd |
| 17:08.27 | lord_rob | valdyn and tralala : I'm still with my problem. Since a recent sid upgrade, telnet, apt-get cannot resolve names. I found it was somewhat ipv6 related because firefox couldn't resolve names anymore until I explicitely asked it not to use ipv6 for dns |
| 17:08.34 | ttl- | i'm having trouble with compiling the kernel modules for lirc |
| 17:08.56 | tralala | ttl-: debian version? |
| 17:08.57 | valdyn | lord_rob: blacklist the ipv6 module |
| 17:08.58 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 17:08.59 | dpkg | well, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 17:09.23 | kml | do i need proc and tmp in the new rootfs? |
| 17:09.30 | lord_rob | valdyn: I have no more sit0, isn't it enough ? |
| 17:09.34 | x_link | tralala: I will just paste the message to pastebin.ca. |
| 17:09.48 | ttl- | ttl-: etch with 2.6.17 |
| 17:10.03 | ttl- | tralala: etch with 2.6.17 |
| 17:10.06 | lord_rob | valdyn: lsmod | grep ipv6 gives no result |
| 17:10.14 | tralala | ttl-: are you using the module-assistant? |
| 17:10.15 | x_link | tralala: http://pastebin.ca/197953 |
| 17:10.18 | x_link | There you go. |
| 17:10.18 | ttl- | tralala: /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_gpio/lirc_gpio.c:56:41: error: ../drivers/media/video/bttv.h: No such file or directory |
| 17:10.26 | ttl- | tralala: yes |
| 17:10.53 | ttl- | tralala: i did m-a a-i lirc-modules-source |
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| 17:11.15 | tralala | ttl-: Then I guess lirc-modules-source is buggy in etch |
| 17:11.29 | tralala | did you run m-a prepare? |
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| 17:11.44 | ttl- | tralala: no |
| 17:11.50 | tralala | run it now |
| 17:12.30 | ttl- | tralala: says everything is ok and does not install anything |
| 17:12.42 | tralala | x_link: perhaps sid has a different key. Anyhow if you type 'y' on the apt prompt it will install links2 |
| 17:12.42 | x_link | tralala: Did you see the url ? |
| 17:12.55 | x_link | ok |
| 17:12.58 | x_link | I will try it again then. |
| 17:13.01 | tralala | ttl-: etch has to be buggy then |
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| 17:13.47 | pickcoder | ttl-: can you find bttv.h in your kernel headers? |
| 17:14.13 | pickcoder | er sorry.. drivers |
| 17:14.48 | ttl- | pickcoder: no |
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| 17:17.05 | ttl- | pickcoder: in /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_gpio/extra_2.6.16/bttv.h yes |
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| 17:17.27 | ttl- | but i'm using 2.6.17 |
| 17:17.39 | ttl- | pickcoder: but i'm using 2.6.17 |
| 17:17.46 | pickcoder | I think the inclusion in lirc_gpio.c is wrong |
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| 17:18.37 | pickcoder | ttl-: look in that source file for a header include called bttv.h |
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| 17:18.56 | ttl- | pickcoder: should'nt it be in 2.4.17 ? |
| 17:19.00 | Ahri | hi, where would i go to find out more about debian on mipsel? |
| 17:19.16 | x_link | tralala: Didn't work... apt-get install links2 doesn't install it. That's the right command, but thereis something else wrong |
| 17:19.18 | tralala | Ahri: debian.org? |
| 17:19.25 | poopybutt | is there a good alternative to picasa? |
| 17:19.32 | pickcoder | ttl-: I think the source file is looking in the kernel drivers instead of the module source, for the include |
| 17:19.38 | h3sp4wn | Ahri: Which mipsel ? (I installed debian mipsel onto a wgt634u but it was too slow to be useful) |
| 17:19.45 | tralala | x_link: would you paste the error? |
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| 17:19.50 | pickcoder | ttl-: look at that source file and paste what the include line is for bttv.h |
| 17:20.34 | Ahri | h3sp4wn: on a buffalo linkstation (they call it freelink) |
| 17:20.44 | x_link | tralala: Same error |
| 17:20.48 | x_link | But I can copy iy again |
| 17:20.55 | h3sp4wn | Ahri: Are you sure they are mipsel not powerpc ? |
| 17:20.59 | Ahri | it seems fast enough, i'd like to stick lighttpd and php5 on it |
| 17:21.07 | x_link | The server closed the connection. |
| 17:21.08 | ttl- | pickcoder: where do i have to look for that ? |
| 17:21.08 | Ahri | this one is most certainly mipsel |
| 17:21.11 | tralala | x_link: I've noticed in the previous paste that you've typed 'j' instead of 'y' |
| 17:21.22 | x_link | Yeah |
| 17:21.23 | pickcoder | ttl-: it says the full path in the error you posted |
| 17:21.24 | h3sp4wn | Ahri: Look on the kurobox hacking site |
| 17:21.31 | x_link | Ja = yes in swedish |
| 17:21.36 | Ahri | h3sp4wn: ah good idea, thanks :) |
| 17:21.49 | x_link | It asks me j/n ( ja/nej) |
| 17:21.59 | x_link | That's why I typed j. |
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| 17:22.21 | tralala | x_link: in the last post it was asking you in english [y/N] |
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| 17:22.43 | cahoot | x_link: försök m Y |
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| 17:22.53 | x_link | cahoot: Okey. |
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| 17:24.01 | x_link | cahoot: Where in sweden are you from? |
| 17:24.01 | Ahri | h3sp4wn: i think that all kuroboxes are ppc |
| 17:24.02 | informatica__ | para mi tb. es lilo |
| 17:24.03 | mastroDani | hi guys.. can somebody explain me what a gtk2-engine is and how can i activate it after the installation through apt-get? |
| 17:24.03 | cahoot | x_link: skovde |
| 17:24.04 | ttl- | pickcoder: #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE == KERNEL_VERSION(2,6,16) |
| 17:24.05 | ttl- | #include "extra_2.6.16/bttv.h" |
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| 17:25.34 | informatica__ | in spanish please |
| 17:25.34 | tralala | !es |
| 17:25.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:25.35 | pickcoder | hm.. I have btty.h in ../drivers/media/video/ |
| 17:25.35 | pickcoder | 2.6.16 |
| 17:25.35 | ttl- | pickcoder: it says 2.6.16 again and i'm running 2.6.17 ? |
| 17:25.36 | pickcoder | ttl-: you are running the 2.6.17 kernel |
| 17:25.36 | tralala | ttl-: change the == to >= |
| 17:25.37 | pickcoder | ttl-: did you install the 2.6.17 source as w ell? |
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| 17:25.37 | x_link | Nope |
| 17:25.46 | x_link | Didn't work with y either |
| 17:25.47 | ttl- | pickcoder: yes i installed linux-source-2.6.17 |
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| 17:26.00 | pickcoder | ttl-: do what tralala said |
| 17:26.08 | x_link | brb |
| 17:26.15 | cahoot | x_link: just hitting enter is no better? |
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| 17:26.30 | tralala | cahoot: N seems to be the default |
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| 17:26.55 | x_link | cahoot: Just hitting enter ? |
| 17:26.57 | tralala | x_link: will you try again with LANG=C and 'y'? |
| 17:26.57 | cahoot | tralala: then just hitting enter is no better! |
| 17:27.19 | x_link | okey |
| 17:27.19 | tralala | cahoot: right |
| 17:27.19 | ttl- | pickcoder & tralala: changed to #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE >= KERNEL_VERSION(2,6,16) |
| 17:27.37 | h3sp4wn | Ahri: Is it recently they switched to mipsel ? - or very old ? |
| 17:27.43 | x_link | tralala: LANG=C apt-get install links2 |
| 17:27.47 | tralala | ttl-: does it build now? |
| 17:27.50 | x_link | did that now and pressed y |
| 17:28.09 | tralala | x_link: paste the result |
| 17:28.10 | funbun | is sid's openssl broken? |
| 17:28.16 | ttl- | tralala: i'll try |
| 17:28.42 | x_link | tralala: just a sec the kids is bothering me. Just a moment. |
| 17:28.43 | x_link | sorry |
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| 17:28.52 | Ronin | lock them in the basement x_link |
| 17:29.12 | cahoot | Ronin: that's not allowed |
| 17:29.27 | Ronin | cahoot: bah, only if you get caught |
| 17:29.47 | cahoot | Ronin: you eventually are - see austria |
| 17:30.18 | Ronin | cahoot: only cause she got out, need better locks |
| 17:30.48 | ttl- | tralala: no it does not build |
| 17:30.53 | ttl- | tralala: /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_gpio/lirc_gpio.c:56:41: error: ../drivers/media/video/bttv.h: No such file or directory |
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| 17:31.35 | pickcoder | ttl-: ls /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.17/drivers/media/video/bttv.h |
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| 17:32.03 | ttl- | pickcoder: it ain't there |
| 17:32.13 | pickcoder | drop back a kernel or post a bug |
| 17:32.18 | pickcoder | it's in 2.6.16 |
| 17:32.22 | pickcoder | just downloaded the source tree |
| 17:32.34 | ttl- | pickcoder: ok |
| 17:32.52 | pickcoder | s/or/and |
| 17:32.53 | pickcoder | :P |
| 17:34.31 | cahoot | ttl-: in 2.6.17 it's drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttv.h |
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| 17:35.22 | ttl- | cahoot: so i can change the path ? |
| 17:35.31 | Supaplex | these mysql ib* binary logs? are filling up this poor disk. Where do I turn them off? |
| 17:35.47 | cahoot | ttl-: was just an observation |
| 17:36.09 | tralala | ttl-: try to symlink it in the old path instead of changing the sources for I suspect m-a unpacks (overwrites) the source before building |
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| 17:39.00 | ttl- | tralala: ok |
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| 17:42.04 | yetifoot | can anyone help me? I turned on my computer today, and got a 'pointer error', and the mouse and keyboard wouldn't work. I unplugged them both, and just plugged in a different keyboard, but that wouldn't work. So i plugged in a mouse aswell, and now the keyboard responds, but the mouse doesn't work... any clues? |
| 17:42.27 | qailer | ./installer: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory what library do I miss? |
| 17:42.56 | tralala | qailer: what is ./installer? |
| 17:42.59 | n3kl | hi |
| 17:43.03 | n3kl | Anyone know of a way to forward a single ssh login username to a different machine? |
| 17:43.15 | qailer | tralala: ipodlinux installer, |
| 17:43.43 | qailer | tralala: I thought I missed a package in debian, |
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| 17:44.03 | qailer | tralala: sry, I found it, libssl |
| 17:45.00 | mankod1 | . |
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| 17:45.09 | n3kl | my gateway is currently recieving all ssh traffic, but for a single username I would like that traffic to go to a differnet machine without changing the entire network scheme |
| 17:45.11 | craigbass1976 | Where is the iptables file? |
| 17:45.26 | craigbass1976 | I'm used to RH and there it is in /etc/sysconfig/ |
| 17:45.41 | CRK-FOX | what hao bien conocido |
| 17:45.41 | CRK-FOX | iptables -A INPUT -s 0.0.0.0/0 -p tcp |
| 17:46.08 | CRK-FOX | what happen when sysconfig folder doesn't exist? |
| 17:46.27 | craigbass1976 | Right, it doesn't exist in Debian |
| 17:46.35 | craigbass1976 | So the file must be elsewhere |
| 17:46.49 | tralala | craigbass1976: there isn't one in debian. I have a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces that takes care of it |
| 17:46.51 | CRK-FOX | then, where I can configure iptables? |
| 17:47.32 | craigbass1976 | So, there's no such file in debian called iptables? |
| 17:47.42 | cydork | craigbass1976, you can list the rules with iptables -L |
| 17:47.43 | craigbass1976 | That the iptables command writes to? |
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| 17:48.54 | ttl- | brb |
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| 17:49.18 | tralala | craigbass1976: no, there isn't. This is how I manage my rules: pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/network/firewall-rules |
| 17:50.12 | craigbass1976 | hmm. Ok |
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| 17:50.32 | craigbass1976 | tralala, You have to do that after a reboot? |
| 17:52.33 | tralala | craigbass1976: if you want to do it this way you have to: a) create the rules; b) save them with iptables-save; c) learn about debian's way of configuring the network (man interfaces); d) add a pre-up line that restores the rules |
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| 17:53.46 | craigbass1976 | tralala, ok thanks. |
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| 17:54.06 | tralala | craigbass1976: you're welcome |
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| 17:54.20 | mick_linux | anyone know how i can get my debian box to stop spitting up errors about missing scancodes? |
| 17:54.32 | mick_linux | it is weird since w/o my kvm it didn't do that |
| 17:55.12 | mick_linux | the unknown scancode thing spits out whenever i type (that is usually A-z) |
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| 18:00.11 | twobitsprite | !ping |
| 18:00.12 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:00.13 | mick_linux | the closest thing that i found was this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/07/msg02839.html |
| 18:00.44 | mick_linux | it is a wireless optical kb, but i don't press the windows key |
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| 18:01.20 | mick_linux | and the rtfm-type of reply from one person in the thread doesn't help much |
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| 18:02.39 | mick_linux | what is "wrong" with using `dmesg -n 6` to silence the errors |
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| 18:05.06 | twobitsprite | I seem to be loosing my DNS intermitently, and whenever I do a dhclient it says "Corrupt lease file - possible data loss!" what do you think? think I have bad blocks on my HDD? |
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| 18:06.49 | x_link | back |
| 18:06.58 | twobitsprite | front? |
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| 18:07.04 | x_link | NOOO!! |
| 18:07.09 | x_link | Did tralala go offline? |
| 18:07.28 | x_link | He was helping me with links2 |
| 18:07.58 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/197975 |
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| 18:08.10 | x_link | I get that message when I'm trying to install link2. apt-get install links2 |
| 18:08.13 | bjdemora | hiya - I'm working on a fairly basic install of Debian, and I'm trying to build my own custom kernel. Problem I'm having is that when I run "make menuconfig", I get a whole screen full of errors... |
| 18:08.30 | bjdemora | what packages do I need to have installed in order to successfully run make menuconfig? |
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| 18:09.15 | cydork | !b-e bjdemora |
| 18:09.16 | dpkg | bjdemora: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 18:09.51 | cydork | bjdemora, also /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 18:10.12 | rgsteele | also, I think some ncurses package(s) |
| 18:10.24 | rgsteele | For the GUi |
| 18:10.40 | cydork | !tell rgsteele about kernel-package |
| 18:10.40 | cydork | :P |
| 18:10.40 | beardy | CRK-FOX: You're welcome. |
| 18:10.42 | x_link | Can somebody help me with installing links2 ? |
| 18:10.46 | x_link | It's not working. |
| 18:10.48 | bjdemora | thanks cydork |
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| 18:11.08 | rgsteele | :P |
| 18:11.14 | beardy | x_link: "not working"? Should just be to install it. What is the errors? What version of Debian are you running. |
| 18:11.15 | cydork | x_link, did you try with http? |
| 18:11.16 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/197975 I get that message when I run apt-get install links2 |
| 18:11.18 | rgsteele | I'm well aware of kernel-package |
| 18:11.18 | stew | x_link: try switching from ftp: to http: |
| 18:11.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell bjdemora -about kp |
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| 18:11.35 | x_link | I'm using Debian testing, KDE 3.5 kernel 2.6 |
| 18:11.49 | stew | x_link: actually you might just need to run apt-get update |
| 18:11.51 | dondelelcaro | bjdemora: you probably also want to /msg dpkg kp mantra; and a few others, which will help you out |
| 18:11.56 | x_link | stew: I did that. |
| 18:11.59 | bjdemora | ok |
| 18:12.21 | x_link | I can do it again |
| 18:13.01 | stew | x_link: you did which? http or apt-get update? (or both)? |
| 18:13.16 | x_link | apt-get update |
| 18:13.23 | x_link | I don't know how to use http |
| 18:13.37 | x_link | ahh.. http-get install links2, is that what you mean? |
| 18:13.59 | stew | x_link: "editor /etc/apt/sources.list" try changing ftp://ftp.... to http://ftp... ; then run apt-get update again |
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| 18:14.57 | x_link | stew: I'm really new with Linux, so I don't know how to do that kind of stuff. |
| 18:15.30 | smiler | cydork: *shrug* stop that, its a curse! |
| 18:15.46 | x_link | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free |
| 18:15.53 | x_link | Should I change it to |
| 18:16.01 | x_link | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free |
| 18:16.02 | x_link | ? |
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| 18:16.12 | stew | x_link: yes |
| 18:16.15 | x_link | Okey. |
| 18:16.17 | smiler | x_link: correct |
| 18:16.23 | x_link | ;) |
| 18:16.44 | x_link | How do I save ? |
| 18:16.52 | x_link | Ctrl+O? |
| 18:16.56 | smiler | what editor? |
| 18:17.02 | cydork | smiler, it's fun :P |
| 18:17.15 | x_link | smiler: Actually I don't know. |
| 18:17.29 | Tallu| | Guys, what do you use to unrar archives? unrar-free doesnt seem to work for me |
| 18:17.34 | x_link | GNU Nano |
| 18:17.37 | x_link | Can that be right ? |
| 18:17.39 | stew | x_link: it will prompt you to save when you exit |
| 18:17.40 | Ronin | Tallu|: define doesnt work |
| 18:17.40 | smiler | x_link: yes |
| 18:17.45 | smiler | x_link: try C-x |
| 18:17.51 | smiler | (C is control) |
| 18:17.52 | Tallu| | Ronin: unable to extract packages |
| 18:18.09 | Ronin | Tallu|: you doing the command correctly? |
| 18:18.33 | x_link | smiler: After Ctrl+x it's done. |
| 18:18.34 | Tallu| | Ronin: unrar-free package.rar unrar-free -x package.rar |
| 18:18.46 | Ronin | Tallu|: try unrar not unrar-free |
| 18:18.51 | x_link | Can I just close that Shell window now and run apt-get install links2 ?+ |
| 18:18.57 | Ronin | i tend to do unrar -e foo.rar |
| 18:19.05 | smiler | x_link: did it exit? try "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" to verify your edits |
| 18:19.06 | cydork | Tallu|, it's unrar e package.rar afaik |
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| 18:19.29 | wols | it's unrar x |
| 18:19.35 | wols | extract with full path |
| 18:19.52 | bjdemora | woohoo! it works now. |
| 18:19.55 | x_link | Filename to write /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:19.58 | Tallu| | Ronin: package unrar is not available :( |
| 18:20.02 | Ronin | e does to current directory |
| 18:20.06 | x_link | When I did Ctrl+x I came there. |
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| 18:20.10 | wols | Tallu|: it's in non-free |
| 18:20.14 | bjdemora | Now all I gotta do is work out how to replace the installed version of gcc with the most up-to-date version available |
| 18:20.18 | Telma | hello |
| 18:20.18 | Tallu| | ahh :( |
| 18:20.26 | x_link | smiler: Which combination should I press now ? |
| 18:20.29 | wols | bjdemora: 4.1 IIRC |
| 18:20.31 | x_link | Ctrl+M ? |
| 18:20.54 | wols | x_link: read what's on screen? then use your brain? |
| 18:21.23 | x_link | wols: Yeah, if I understood it then i would. I promise. |
| 18:21.36 | Ronin | Tallu|: it is installed right? |
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| 18:21.46 | Tallu| | Ronin: nope, have to add non-free sources |
| 18:22.19 | smiler | x_link: uhm, Ctrl + X are supposed to exit the editor (and asking you to save changes if any was made) |
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| 18:22.22 | disasm | x_link: your problem is most definitely the fact you are using nano I recommend using vi(m) j/k |
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| 18:22.42 | x_link | hrmmm some wrror with writting /etc |
| 18:22.53 | disasm | x_link: are you root? |
| 18:23.04 | bjdemora | wols: I don't see it in the output from apt-cache search gcc |
| 18:23.04 | cydork | disasm, vim for newbie?? :P |
| 18:23.07 | Mazingaro | please, my cups server won't work on unstable :( |
| 18:23.22 | Ronin | Tallu|: your trying to unrar something when unrar isnt' installed? |
| 18:23.26 | Ronin | *blink* |
| 18:23.33 | Tallu| | Ronin: I have unrar-free installed.. :) |
| 18:23.39 | disasm | cydork: vim for everybody ;-) vim should be required to learn in elementary school ;-) |
| 18:24.04 | cydork | disasm, i use emacs, which rocks! |
| 18:24.15 | disasm | cydork: lol ;-) |
| 18:24.15 | Malawar | ed > * |
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| 18:24.34 | bjdemora | ok, question - why is it that when I search for a package in aptitude (say for example, "make") it doesn't come up, but when I use apt-get it works fine? |
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| 18:25.05 | x_link | Ahh I will do it again.... |
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| 18:25.08 | x_link | editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:25.15 | utab | I am getting an error message while openning a .pdf file which is dependent on an index file |
| 18:25.19 | x_link | Changed it to http:, then I press Ctrl+x |
| 18:25.20 | wols | bjdemora: only in etch or even sid |
| 18:25.52 | bjdemora | wols: ok, fair enough. so they are not released in apt-get repository yet then |
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| 18:26.22 | x_link | smiler and disasm I'm done now. I did it right. |
| 18:26.24 | utab | the message is quite long but in brief ".pdx file is corrupt or incompatible" |
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| 18:26.34 | Mayko | hallo, i need some help on change the kdm theme on comand line, anyone know how? |
| 18:26.42 | disasm | x_link: vi /etc/apt/sources.list -> press i -> edit lines -> <ESC> -> :wq<ENTER> ;-) |
| 18:26.58 | bjdemora | right - I'm off to go and compile a kernel. cheers y'all |
| 18:27.08 | cydork | disasm, dude let him use nano.. |
| 18:27.09 | pickcoder | My PS/2 mouse isn't being detected by mdetect |
| 18:27.09 | x_link | disasm: vi, is that better than nano ? |
| 18:27.10 | disasm | Mayko: /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc i think, i'm a gdm/xdm person though |
| 18:27.18 | pickcoder | dmesg shows it in /class/input/input2 |
| 18:27.32 | cydork | pickcoder, mousedev loaded? |
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| 18:27.38 | pickcoder | psmouse is |
| 18:27.55 | pickcoder | nope |
| 18:28.00 | x_link | I get the same error message with now that I changed it to http: |
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| 18:28.03 | pickcoder | gah |
| 18:28.08 | pickcoder | thx |
| 18:28.12 | disasm | x_link: imho, yes iswuo (in some windows users opinion) no |
| 18:28.42 | disasm | cydork: i'll stop picking fights ;-) |
| 18:29.17 | x_link | disasm: http://pastebin.ca/198038 |
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| 18:29.25 | x_link | I get that message now when I run apt-get install links2 |
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| 18:29.38 | x_link | Even when I changed it from ftp:// to http:// |
| 18:30.17 | disasm | x_link: can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:30.34 | x_link | Sure |
| 18:30.34 | x_link | Wait |
| 18:30.42 | psycose | Using Debian Etch on sparc64, my application build with gcc-4.1 get killed when it launch it (with ERESTARTNOHAND signal i think) please have a look on my outputs http://channels.debian.net/paste/4023 if you have any tips (it could be a kernel or gcc or gnat or me problem...) thanks |
| 18:31.00 | x_link | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:31.05 | x_link | In konsole ? |
| 18:31.06 | cydork | x_link, it's installed. |
| 18:31.16 | x_link | cydork: links2 ? |
| 18:31.24 | cydork | x_link, type links2 |
| 18:31.29 | x_link | Okey |
| 18:31.50 | x_link | cydork: No |
| 18:32.04 | x_link | baah... I wrote link2.. |
| 18:32.06 | x_link | yes!!!!!! |
| 18:32.10 | x_link | 8-) |
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| 18:32.14 | x_link | It's working. |
| 18:32.14 | utab | has anyone had problems with pdf and pdx files |
| 18:32.20 | disasm | psycose: what if you override that signal in your code to printf something? |
| 18:32.32 | x_link | utab: I have some ebooks which is pdf files. |
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| 18:32.50 | cydork | utab, problems as in?? |
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| 18:33.11 | psycose | disasm, ok if you think it could help me i will ... |
| 18:33.24 | x_link | cydork: How do I get GUI on it ? |
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| 18:33.35 | cydork | x_link, links2 -g |
| 18:33.39 | x_link | ok |
| 18:33.51 | cydork | x_link, and see man next time ;) |
| 18:34.14 | Tallu| | Well, I installed unrar from non-free. Naughty naughty me. :( |
| 18:34.51 | x_link | cydork: I will. sorry for bothering this much. |
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| 18:35.12 | x_link | links2 worked, but when I type links2 -g I just get a big grey window. Without any place to type the URL I want to go to. |
| 18:35.29 | utab | cydork, I am trying to open but the file is dependent on a .pdx file so the error is sth like ".pdx file is corrupt or incompatible" |
| 18:35.57 | utab | cydork, I am using acroread 7.0 |
| 18:36.28 | cydork | utab, i dont think i can help you. i have no idea what pdx file is :P |
| 18:37.39 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 18:38.08 | utab | cydork, there are some files that I can not look with this error |
| 18:38.11 | x_link | ahh.. now I found out how it works. |
| 18:38.40 | cydork | x_link, :) |
| 18:39.14 | slidesinger | Has anyone had any success in getting pcmcia to work with yenta socket and kernel 2.6.17-2? |
| 18:39.26 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:39.26 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:39.39 | x_link | cydork: links2 doesn't use much of the CPU/RAM I suppose ? |
| 18:39.50 | x_link | I think it will take a while to get used to it. hehe |
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| 18:40.02 | tarzeau | x_link: exactly |
| 18:40.13 | x_link | tarzeau: Great =) |
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| 18:40.23 | x_link | Cause this machine is NOT the fastest one exactly. |
| 18:40.35 | cr3 | what's the command to run commands on multiple remote shells? |
| 18:40.35 | Ronin | Tallu|: heh dont worry bout it many of us have, did you updatedb afterwards? and not to be obvious but man unrar :) |
| 18:40.51 | cydork | cr3, dsh? |
| 18:41.11 | Mazingaro | please help my cups is totally gone :( |
| 18:41.12 | stew | !wwer is also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00009.html |
| 18:41.12 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 18:41.15 | stew | :( |
| 18:42.03 | cr3 | cydork: that's it! thanks |
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| 18:43.01 | Mazingaro | 10/11/06 20:40:10cupsdStartBrowsing: Unable to bind broadcast socket - Address already in use. |
| 18:43.46 | cydork | Mazingaro, it's running or some other process is using 631?? |
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| 18:44.14 | Mazingaro | cydork: netstat |
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| 18:44.46 | cydork | Mazingaro, use it then :) |
| 18:44.49 | digijohn | Hi everybody, I've got an NVIDIA FX5900 that I'd like to do a dual-head thing with. Can I run one monitor at 1600x1200 and another at 1280x1024 and have my desktop spread across the two? |
| 18:45.04 | Mazingaro | cydork: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* |
| 18:45.05 | Mazingaro | unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 4899631 /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl |
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| 18:45.34 | cydork | clamd? |
| 18:45.47 | Mazingaro | cydork: lsof |
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| 18:45.54 | Mazingaro | cydork: COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 18:45.54 | Mazingaro | cupsd 25158 root 3u IPv4 7107940 UDP *:ipp |
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| 18:46.37 | Mazingaro | cydork: I got clamd running |
| 18:47.06 | cydork | Mazingaro, i didn't knew it uses 631. just stop it restart cups. |
| 18:47.20 | Mazingaro | cydork: ok, let's try |
| 18:48.40 | Mazingaro | cydork: no way |
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| 18:50.00 | cydork | Mazingaro, huh? |
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| 18:50.26 | cydork | Mazingaro, check netstat -plont |grep 631again |
| 18:50.26 | Mazingaro | cydork: Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost:631. |
| 18:50.39 | cydork | Mazingaro, check netstat again |
| 18:50.50 | Mazingaro | # netstat -plont |grep 631 |
| 18:50.50 | Mazingaro | # |
| 18:51.04 | cydork | Mazingaro, cups not started :) |
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| 18:51.25 | Mazingaro | cydork: there are no error in logs |
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| 18:52.13 | cydork | Mazingaro, grep Listen /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 18:53.01 | Mazingaro | I'm on #flood |
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| 18:54.40 | madclicker | does sid fglrx debs support etch's xotg 7.0? |
| 18:54.49 | madclicker | xorg |
| 18:55.28 | abrotman | madclicker: try it .. let us know |
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| 18:59.36 | nicodarious | so here i am, running Xubuntu with Gnome installed as a UI... it's doing great except one problem... i can't play CSS encrypted DVDs... now this is a problem, since i like to watch a lot of movies while on the road with my laptop. I've been looking everywhere of the old DeCSS code, but can't seem to find it anywhere on the net. Does anyone have an idea on where they are hiding it now adays? |
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| 19:00.08 | Braindead | nicodarious: Ubuntu is not Debian |
| 19:00.21 | Ronin | nicodarious: maybe #xubuntu would be better? |
| 19:00.23 | stew | nicodarious: please ak #xubuntu or #ubuntu instead |
| 19:00.28 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 19:00.43 | Seb | is there a way to have apt-get pick the default debconf choice when I install/remove pacakge ? |
| 19:00.47 | n3kl__ | How can I determin my mouse device for use in xorg.conf? |
| 19:01.08 | Seb | some kind of -o DpkgOptions maybe ? I'd like to be able to install a ubnch of things, unattended... |
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| 19:02.35 | nicodarious | there's no real difference between Xubuntu/Ubuntu and Debian though. i'll go there and ask the same question, but i just want to know where's the difference between Debian and *buntu? the only difference that i have seen between my 3 computers is that *buntu is extremely user-friendly. |
| 19:02.49 | Braindead | we ain't |
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| 19:03.25 | Seb | heh, damn right |
| 19:03.43 | stew | nicodarious: there are many differences. this is not the right forum to discuss them however. ##linux is a better channel for comparing various distros |
| 19:03.46 | dondelelcaro | nicodarious: there are real differences; different patches, different packages, different installers. |
| 19:03.48 | h3sp4wn | nicodarious: *buntu is slow as hell that is the main difference |
| 19:03.54 | Seb | nicodarious: packages versions are not the same; how are we gonna waste time hepling you out, if somehow this particular bug you stumbled upon is fixed in debian and not in ubuntu ? |
| 19:04.52 | eml | Help! I did apt-get upgrade, and now all my 3D-games are getting really bad fps... what could've gone wrong? |
| 19:04.55 | nicodarious | ok ok... i get the point; leave. got it. sorry for bugging you. |
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| 19:05.19 | h3sp4wn | nicodarious: or just install debian |
| 19:05.19 | n3kl__ | how do I find the device that my mouse is using? |
| 19:05.37 | tarzeau | n3kl__: what mouse is it? |
| 19:05.42 | tarzeau | n3kl__: i mean, which color? |
| 19:06.11 | n3kl__ | huh? black |
| 19:06.11 | tarzeau | n3kl__: mat or bling bling? |
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| 19:06.18 | n3kl__ | uh |
| 19:06.25 | n3kl__ | mat |
| 19:06.31 | stew | h3sp4wn: that isnt' going to help him |
| 19:07.15 | n3kl__ | cat /proc/bus/input/devices does not really tell me which device to use in xorg.conf. Anyone have any idea? |
| 19:07.40 | stew | n3kl__: use /dev/input/mice ; make sure the "mousedev" kernel module is loaded |
| 19:07.50 | nicodarious | h3sp4wn: had debian installed, but it didn't see half of my hardware. then i couldn't get my vid card supported by even the latest debian release.. so i tried something that was like Debian and everything worked like a charm, straight down to the WG311v3 wireless card i have installed. |
| 19:07.55 | n3kl__ | I am using evdev |
| 19:08.05 | n3kl__ | unless there is something I am missing |
| 19:08.14 | nicodarious | my socket 940 and chipset was too new for debian |
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| 19:08.29 | stew | nicodarious: debian doesn't provide anything play css encrypted dvds so i would certianly not recommend you switch to debian because of decss, i don't know if xubuntu does or not |
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| 19:08.56 | tarzeau | nicodarious: no. it was too new for the linux kernel debian shipped |
| 19:09.05 | tarzeau | nicodarious: you're free to exchange this little part of software on your own |
| 19:09.09 | tarzeau | nicodarious: or try gnu/kfreebsd |
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| 19:09.57 | stew | tarzeau: was the wg311v3 supported by the gnu/kfreebsd kernel when sarge shipped? |
| 19:10.17 | tarzeau | stew: probably not so |
| 19:10.26 | tarzeau | stew: i didn't see which device it was about |
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| 19:10.37 | tarzeau | stew: but for example sarge didn't support my nv-sata disk, and gnu/kfreebsd did |
| 19:10.48 | stew | tarzeau: then telling him to switch to gnu/kfreebsd is probably not sound advice |
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| 19:12.49 | h3sp4wn | stew: libdvdread3 is in debian (you need to run the shell script but it definately works) or debian-multimedia |
| 19:13.00 | nicodarious | hey guys, i get it though.. since i am not running 'debian' per se, i must leave. there's no reason for you two to fight over sound advice that is being given to a 'non-debian' user. |
| 19:13.00 | benjamin79 | salut tout le monde est ce que je pourrais avoir de l'aide pour l'install de php5 ? |
| 19:13.03 | gpm | hey guys. i'm trying to password-protect a wordpres-generated "page" ... there's no physical file/directory on there, i think it just stores the stuff in mysql...any way to password-protect a url which may not correspond to an actual file using apache's auth mod? |
| 19:13.04 | stew | h3sp4wn: no. it would not work for him |
| 19:13.11 | n3kl__ | anyone got a link to the debian handbook? |
| 19:13.31 | h3sp4wn | stew: kk |
| 19:13.42 | ovaici | deadcat, Wakup up fool! |
| 19:13.48 | ovaici | *wakeup even. |
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| 19:13.53 | stew | !fr |
| 19:13.54 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:14.30 | WorldBFree | i have a wireless router than connects to my cable modem to provide me internet. i have another router, not wireless that i want to connect to my computer recieving the wireless connection and my xbox. if i connected them will the xbox have internet. its kind of confusing so i drew a quick diagram http://matthewvl.googlepages.com/xbox.jpg |
| 19:14.40 | gpm | ah, location |
| 19:14.51 | Kevin` | why so many chained routers |
| 19:15.00 | WorldBFree | its just two |
| 19:15.08 | bjdemora | what do I ask dpkg to get the command for kernel compilation? |
| 19:15.26 | WorldBFree | the diagram clears it up a lot |
| 19:15.30 | tarzeau | WorldBFree: hehe this graphic looks great :) |
| 19:15.32 | Kevin` | oh so the computer is providind internet to the wired router? |
| 19:15.52 | WorldBFree | tarzeau: thaks took me 30 seconds to do. my finest work yet |
| 19:15.53 | Kevin` | I would use a switch in place of the wired router |
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| 19:16.06 | tarzeau | WorldBFree: gimp? |
| 19:16.12 | WorldBFree | Kevin`: understandable, but im trying to use the resources i have |
| 19:16.22 | WorldBFree | no, krita |
| 19:16.27 | Kevin` | WorldBFree disable the dhcp client and use it as a switch |
| 19:16.30 | Kevin` | er |
| 19:16.33 | Kevin` | dhcp server* |
| 19:16.49 | Kevin` | having another layer of NAT is messy |
| 19:17.09 | WorldBFree | Kevin`: right. thats what im trying to do. what subnet mask should i put in for the wired router? |
| 19:17.20 | disasm | WorldBFree: run nat on the wireless router, don't run NAT on the non-wireless router |
| 19:17.25 | Kevin` | WorldBFree what network range do you want to use.. |
| 19:17.43 | WorldBFree | my gateway router has a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 |
| 19:18.01 | Kevin` | WorldBFree what are the network ranges |
| 19:18.02 | Barnes | is there any kind of communication software like ventrilo but opensource? |
| 19:18.07 | Kevin` | ip ranges |
| 19:18.30 | WorldBFree | what do you mean the network ranges? |
| 19:18.44 | Kevin` | WorldBFree well the network mask by itself doesn't mean much |
| 19:18.45 | Braindead | zomg this is going to be hard |
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| 19:19.53 | moshii | Does anyone know which file of the split exim config controls the domains to relay for? |
| 19:19.58 | WorldBFree | my router address is 192.168.1.1 and the network goes from 100-150 |
| 19:20.00 | CRK-FOX | what is the command to configure iptables in debian? |
| 19:20.08 | tarzeau | CRK-FOX: iptables |
| 19:20.16 | ovaici | !seen deadcat |
| 19:20.17 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian, last said: 'cbr: from experimental eh? thanks. i better wait (='. |
| 19:20.19 | tarzeau | CRK-FOX: there's a nice frontend called shorewall |
| 19:20.45 | tarzeau | Barnes: what's ventrilo? |
| 19:20.49 | Kevin` | WorldBFree given that subnet mask it goes from 0-255, actually |
| 19:20.52 | disasm | tarzeau: a voice server used for gaming |
| 19:20.58 | Kevin` | depends what dhcp gives out, of course |
| 19:21.01 | moshii | CRK-FOX: or firehol, that's nice too |
| 19:21.01 | Braindead | WorldBFree: you just don't need that "unwired" router. get a cheap eth switch or a cross cable to link up the computer to the xbox,then read what dpkg is gonna tell you |
| 19:21.09 | Braindead | !tell WorldBFree about NAT |
| 19:21.27 | disasm | Barnes: i know the ventrilo server runs in linux (i used to run one for my cousin when he played mohaa) but I don't know of any clients capable of communicating with it wor linux |
| 19:21.52 | Braindead | even though adding another NAT isn't that good is far easier then telling you how to bridge interfaces |
| 19:21.55 | CRK-FOX | tarzeau: where I can get that shorewall |
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| 19:22.05 | WorldBFree | Braindead: thats a good option. but wouldnt most people rather use what they have if it can somehow work rather than buying something to make things easier |
| 19:22.05 | tarzeau | CRK-FOX: apt-get install shorewall |
| 19:22.17 | Kevin` | disasm teamspeak works on linux, but of course isn't open source, and it imo has design problems |
| 19:22.21 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 19:22.22 | dpkg | it has been said that iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
| 19:22.28 | Braindead | WorldBFree: that router ain't gonna help. at all |
| 19:22.50 | Kevin` | WorldBFree it will cause you headaches to use it as a router.. just disable any dhcp server it has and use it's lan ports as a switch |
| 19:22.53 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 19:22.59 | Barnes | disasm mohaa rocks we are actually going to play that old game this weekend =) |
| 19:23.13 | WorldBFree | ok |
| 19:23.15 | S4nD3r | Id like to install xfig, but when I tries, this installs 3.2.5beta, Id like to use 3.2.4! |
| 19:23.26 | S4nD3r | Do you know any mirror to install this old version ?! |
| 19:23.34 | Braindead | S4nD3r: snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:23.37 | Kevin` | WorldBFree what ip range were you planning to use for the xbox side |
| 19:24.00 | disasm | Barnes: ventrilo's site says they have a linux client in development currently, so maybe that will come out soon |
| 19:24.24 | Kevin` | disasm it's said that for a while, don't hold your breath |
| 19:24.33 | Kevin` | although I personally will ignore it as non-opensource |
| 19:24.34 | Barnes | disasm yes they have been develping it for 2 years or more now ithink :( |
| 19:25.04 | Kevin` | I bet if they released the source someone would have a linux port by the end of the day |
| 19:25.24 | disasm | ah... i havent used it at all, I just was setting up windows game servers on my linux box for fun, my cousin was the gamer, about only game I play is Diablo II and it runs in wine ;-) |
| 19:26.55 | disasm | WorldBFree: looking at your diagram, i'm wondering why you have 2 interfaces for the computer instead of plugging the xbox into the wireless router directly? |
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| 19:27.19 | disasm | WorldBFree: unless it has to do with security of wireless network |
| 19:27.19 | Barnes | I guess we will have to use teamspeak instead atleast works on linux, mac and windows |
| 19:27.37 | CosmoDad | is it possible to convert Debian's standard "File" debconf database into one using "PackageDir" somehow? |
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| 19:28.48 | disasm | Barnes: would skype work? (another thing I've never used) |
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| 19:29.51 | Barnes | disasm probebly but i havent used it either |
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| 19:30.49 | grandy | hello... i have two identical machines, both running ubuntu (debian) with all of the same packages except the kernel is one dot version different... a http static file benchmark, a php cli benchmark, and a compiled c benchmark all run identically on both machines, but one machine gets 120 connections per second with php, while the other gets 14 ... they are running identical packages and... |
| 19:30.50 | grandy | ...conf files for apache and php ... any ideas on how I can verify that the packages are 100% identical or any ideas on how to troubleshoot this further? |
| 19:31.05 | Braindead | grandy: easy tiger. ask #ubuntu |
| 19:31.53 | mick_linux | anyone ever use swat to configure shares? |
| 19:32.19 | CRK-FOX | when an installation of X package fails.... what are the next steps to maintain the system healthy?? |
| 19:32.26 | cureless | Barnes: you can use asterisk for conference calling |
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| 19:32.27 | CRK-FOX | reinstall over and over??? |
| 19:32.45 | grandy | Braindead: yeah right they like to talk about video cards... |
| 19:32.47 | mick_linux | i tried to just edit my smb.conf (to no availe, so i'm trying this) -- but i'm not sure how to use swat - i thought that it was just: http://myip:901 |
| 19:32.55 | abrotman | grandy: you're not running Debian |
| 19:32.59 | disasm | cureless: thats a good idea, i was thinking something along those lines ;-) |
| 19:33.13 | grandy | abrotman: maybe i should be... |
| 19:33.18 | cureless | disasm: it's relatively easy to set up the server and painless to set up the clients on any system |
| 19:33.27 | CosmoDad | how can I turn a "File"-based debconf system into one using "PackageDir"? |
| 19:33.58 | pickcoder | grandy: check your network first, your nic second, and your O/S last |
| 19:34.04 | abrotman | grandy: perhaps .. but we can't help you with Ubuntu |
| 19:34.10 | abrotman | pickcoder: you can go to #ubuntu with thim |
| 19:34.12 | abrotman | with him |
| 19:34.27 | pickcoder | no thanks |
| 19:34.36 | pickcoder | my response was generic |
| 19:34.37 | pickcoder | :P |
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| 19:34.47 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: can youy help me brot? |
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| 19:34.58 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: we need to see the error .. |
| 19:35.00 | abrotman | !paster |
| 19:35.00 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 19:35.06 | n3kl__ | !xorg |
| 19:35.06 | dpkg | [xorg] X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 19:35.55 | CRK-FOX | make: *** [install] Error 1 |
| 19:36.14 | CRK-FOX | !paster |
| 19:36.14 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:36.18 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: why are you compiling stuff ? |
| 19:36.52 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: cuz I'm following the steps of the official page of daemonshield |
| 19:37.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: you've missed some fun stuff :) |
| 19:37.08 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: anysuggestion? |
| 19:37.28 | pickcoder | CRK-FOX: if you want help with compiling, atleast paste the build log in a paster |
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| 19:37.45 | pickcoder | no promises though.. |
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| 19:38.03 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: wtf are you doing that for? |
| 19:38.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: because of the alpha? |
| 19:38.14 | n3kl__ | dood, is there a debian xorg howto or something |
| 19:38.15 | n3kl__ | ? |
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| 19:38.31 | cureless | n3kl__: dood, or something |
| 19:38.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: no because of some mouse |
| 19:38.55 | abrotman | a real mouse? |
| 19:39.00 | n3kl__ | cureless: do you wear a tie to work? |
| 19:39.02 | n3kl__ | =] |
| 19:39.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, a mat black computer mouse |
| 19:39.16 | Braindead | a matted mouse |
| 19:39.19 | cureless | n3kl__: no, unless I'm being sued. |
| 19:39.24 | n3kl__ | cureless: haha |
| 19:39.32 | Braindead | tarzeau: I had quite a laugh,thanks |
| 19:39.39 | tarzeau | Braindead: you're welcome :) |
| 19:39.53 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4024. |
| 19:39.59 | cureless | n3kl__: what do you need with xorg? |
| 19:40.11 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 19:40.12 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 19:40.18 | Yperite | someone can tell me if there are mistakes on this document please http://zeppoo.net/articles/SyscalltableAMD64EN |
| 19:40.23 | n3kl__ | cureless: to make my mouse work. |
| 19:40.25 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: did you read the INSTALL file that was in it ? |
| 19:40.35 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: yes |
| 19:40.45 | abrotman | ever think to run make before make install ? |
| 19:40.49 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: if you want I can past it |
| 19:40.53 | abrotman | and honestly .. you should use something in debian |
| 19:40.56 | cureless | n3kl__: was it working before? what happened that made it not work? |
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| 19:41.17 | Braindead | I foresee a self-lockout into CRK-FOX's future |
| 19:41.25 | CRK-FOX | hahahahaha |
| 19:41.31 | mick_linux | i have something like: [homes] \n path = '/home/mick' \n browsable = yes .... i see that it is there (via konqueror on another box) but it says that it doesn't exist (but there is a /home/mick/homes) |
| 19:41.41 | mick_linux | any ideas what i may be doing wrong? |
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| 19:41.52 | mick_linux | i did restart samba after making the changes |
| 19:42.01 | mick_linux | i give up on swat ;) |
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| 19:42.21 | cureless | mick_linux: is it public, do you have permissions? Can you see it with smbclient? |
| 19:42.22 | n3kl__ | I am using the evdev driver to configure my mouse. When I launch X, xorgs loads fine, but it can't find the evdev driver. I have the kernel evdev compiled as a module and I also have the evdev package installed, but when I cat the Xorg.0.log file, I get (EE) No Input driver matching `evdev' |
| 19:42.53 | pickcoder | CRK-FOX: the problem may be because /var/lock/subsys is not a valid directory and it wasn't created during the mkinstalldirs |
| 19:42.55 | itc | ok, hello. I accidently typed rm -rf /usr/lib . After I realised I pressed control+c so most of the files were not lost. can I repair? |
| 19:43.12 | mick_linux | cureless, i can see it w/ konqueror on another box: smb://myip/ |
| 19:43.21 | Braindead | itc: guess not. which filesystem? |
| 19:43.23 | mick_linux | it shows a "homes" but i get that error when i click on it |
| 19:43.29 | n3kl__ | cureless: its working now, its justmy mouse that is broke |
| 19:43.30 | cureless | n3kl__: no idea there, I haven't worked with evdev. I'd say try to find a sample config somewhere. /usr/share/doc/evdev/? |
| 19:43.30 | moshii | Is it wise to use rsync or are there better alternatives? |
| 19:43.35 | itc | reiserfs |
| 19:43.51 | Braindead | itc: nope. journaled fs |
| 19:43.58 | cureless | mick_linux: do you have permission to access homes? |
| 19:44.02 | itc | so im phucked? |
| 19:44.03 | pickcoder | hrm.. reiser doesn't have rollback? |
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| 19:44.26 | cureless | mick_linux: and by you I mean the samba user (nobody? guest?) |
| 19:44.49 | mick_linux | oh weird... i need to type in /mick |
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| 19:44.59 | mick_linux | instead of homes |
| 19:45.00 | n3kl__ | cureless: well, it wouldbe my xorg.conf, but I have used this same xorg.conf on multiple distros without any problem. I used to be running amd64 debian on this machine and it worked fine, now I am using i386 on the same machine and the same xorg.conf and for some reason evdev will not load when I startx |
| 19:45.10 | mick_linux | now to get it to actually accept my pw |
| 19:45.30 | jelly | !test |
| 19:45.30 | dpkg | Yes, jelly, you're still online. |
| 19:45.50 | cureless | n3kl__: no idea. I guess make sure you don't have 64bit binaries lying around. |
| 19:45.56 | Braindead | itc: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=reiserfs+undelete and good luck |
| 19:46.05 | n3kl__ | cureless: I formated |
| 19:46.07 | n3kl__ | =[ |
| 19:46.14 | CRK-FOX | pickcoder: yes, the directory doesn't it |
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| 19:47.19 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 19:47.28 | Shadowcat | I'm gonna kill someone at my isp |
| 19:47.34 | mick_linux | i just added hoems to the path and i still get "not found" |
| 19:47.43 | darkskiez | has devpts stuff changed in sid ? |
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| 19:48.02 | pickcoder | CRK-FOX: so create it and try the make install again |
| 19:48.17 | ma3x | if I can remove more modules in one line with rmmod, why can't I add them at once with modprobe? |
| 19:48.20 | mick_linux | cureless, by default - i guess authentication ties in w/ pam? |
| 19:48.21 | ma3x | or is insmod for that? |
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| 19:48.56 | stew | ma3x: becuase "modprobe 1 2 3" means add module 1 and pass it "2 and 3" as parameters |
| 19:49.11 | stew | ma3x: don't use insmod. use a for loop in your shell |
| 19:49.18 | mick_linux | i also did chown on the homes directory to make it owned by nobody |
| 19:49.26 | cureless | mick_linux: samba might or might not run as a specific user. At any rate, to test if it's a permissions problem give 777 to the directory and see if you can access it |
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| 19:49.50 | mick_linux | well wouldn't it give permission problems instead of a "file not found"? |
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| 19:50.16 | ma3x | stew, I don't understand your second reply: 'use a for loop in your shell' you mean 'modprobe mod1 a mod2' or how? |
| 19:50.29 | mick_linux | exact error: The file or folder smb://mick@192.168.1.34/homes does not exist. |
| 19:50.43 | asg | ma3x: for i in mod1 mod2 mod3 ; do modprobe $i ; done |
| 19:50.55 | kill4kil1in | where is the file where i can put in a script to run at start up? |
| 19:51.00 | mick_linux | while smb://mick@192.168.2.13/ shows "homes" |
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| 19:51.50 | stew | ma3x: "for mod in mod1 mod2 mod3 ; do modprobe $mod ; done" |
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| 19:52.20 | ma3x | stew, let me try it out |
| 19:53.02 | ma3x | stew, can they be separated like this: mod1,mod2,mod3 or I must use blank space? |
| 19:53.34 | stew | ma3x: use a space |
| 19:53.56 | ma3x | stew, ok thank you! |
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| 19:54.19 | mick_linux | cureless, it needed a trailing "/" in the path |
| 19:54.36 | mick_linux | now i see an authentication dialog though |
| 19:54.44 | mick_linux | but i still can't authenticate |
| 19:54.48 | mick_linux | hmmm |
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| 20:01.07 | dsl1080 | how do I install a |
| 20:01.39 | dsl1080 | .deb file |
| 20:01.47 | mick_linux | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 20:01.55 | mick_linux | man dpkg |
| 20:01.57 | mick_linux | ;) |
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| 20:02.14 | Jaciline | Ola pessoal!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:02.18 | dsl1080 | thanks! |
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| 20:02.24 | Hoxzer | thanks! |
| 20:02.47 | dareth | any reason you are not using apt-get ?? |
| 20:02.56 | dsl1080 | i've got a .deb file? |
| 20:03.07 | dsl1080 | I thought apt-get doesnt work |
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| 20:03.26 | dsl1080 | dsl@box:~$ dpkg -i tcc_0.9.23-4_i386.debrndpkg: /var/lib/dpkg/status: No such file or directory |
| 20:03.31 | dsl1080 | thats what I get |
| 20:03.44 | dsl1080 | i know thats the right file |
| 20:03.50 | stew | dsl1080: are you running debian? |
| 20:03.51 | mick_linux | tcc_0.9.23-4_i386.debrndpkg: <--- typo |
| 20:03.59 | mick_linux | tcc_0.9.23-4_i386.debr ndpkg: |
| 20:04.02 | mick_linux | err |
| 20:04.04 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.06 | mick_linux | tcc_0.9.23-4_i386.deb |
| 20:04.06 | wols | why? |
| 20:04.17 | mick_linux | good point |
| 20:04.23 | dsl1080 | can somone just tell me what to type |
| 20:04.25 | dsl1080 | ? |
| 20:04.26 | dsl1080 | please |
| 20:04.35 | dsl1080 | I am a newb as you may have noticed |
| 20:04.36 | mick_linux | dsl1080, are you running Debian? |
| 20:04.41 | wols | dsl1080: answer my question |
| 20:04.42 | dsl1080 | KNOPPIX |
| 20:04.44 | dsl1080 | DSL |
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| 20:04.52 | wols | !knoppix |
| 20:04.52 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 20:04.56 | mick_linux | wrong channel mate: #knoppix |
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| 20:05.05 | dsl1080 | darm |
| 20:05.13 | dareth | darn |
| 20:05.16 | dsl1080 | can I install a deb on KNOPPIX? |
| 20:05.23 | mick_linux | the reason for it not working is knoppix related |
| 20:05.24 | dendrite | dsl1080: We don't know. |
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| 20:05.30 | mick_linux | most likely |
| 20:05.32 | wols | dsl1080: it's a CD. CDs are read only, no? |
| 20:05.33 | dareth | you can, but not sure what you will have when you reboot. |
| 20:05.57 | dareth | see if your cd is listed in /etc/sources.list |
| 20:05.57 | dsl1080 | I installed it to the HD |
| 20:06.06 | dsl1080 | I have a KNOPPIX distro on the HD |
| 20:06.10 | wols | dsl1080: no matter what: it's OT. go to #knoppix |
| 20:06.19 | mick_linux | dsl1080, just try #knoppix |
| 20:06.21 | dendrite | dsl1080: We can't help with knoppix because we don't know it, and might give you bad advice that will break your system. Please go ask in #knoppix |
| 20:06.29 | dsl1080 | I am waiting for them anyway |
| 20:06.53 | dsl1080 | thanks though |
| 20:07.28 | dsl1080 | Could somone just tell me what the command is for apt-get please? |
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| 20:08.22 | stew | dsl1080: the command to do wht? |
| 20:08.45 | overdose | hello, i just installed debian, i installed X.org and got the msg : could not init font path element .. did i miss something? |
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| 20:08.50 | wols | stew: install a .deb when /var/lib/dpkg/status is missing |
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| 20:10.14 | dsl1080 | ? |
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| 20:12.59 | deadcat | Twistedemo: what up dude.. working (= |
| 20:13.07 | YaleR | has testing been frozen? |
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| 20:13.14 | deadcat | Twistedemo: i will be at the davis bike auction this sat 8am |
| 20:13.52 | stew | YaleR: only very small portions, like the toolchain, the rest of the freeze is postponed, /msg dpkg wwer |
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| 20:14.22 | overdose | anyone knows what can be the problem using X.org in deb .. got fonts problems and don't find any usefull info on the net |
| 20:14.23 | Gnurdux | they started freezing ethc? |
| 20:14.26 | Gnurdux | gah |
| 20:14.39 | robewald | hi, in which udeb is the installer shell contained? |
| 20:14.57 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: not yet |
| 20:15.03 | stew | Gnurdux: yes, they did |
| 20:15.33 | tarzeau | stew: only base |
| 20:15.41 | Gnurdux | still |
| 20:15.42 | stew | tarzeau: and the toolchain, yes |
| 20:15.49 | Gnurdux | that means old software is coming soon |
| 20:16.18 | YaleR | sounds like good news to me =) |
| 20:16.22 | stew | Gnurdux: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html scroll to "The Road Ahead" |
| 20:16.45 | Gnurdux | ah k |
| 20:17.29 | liran | any chances im gonna have support to write in hebrew in console (bash)? |
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| 20:18.04 | Gnurdux | someone should fix Xvnc for inetd |
| 20:18.07 | Gnurdux | in tightvnc |
| 20:18.28 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: you do it! |
| 20:18.40 | Gnurdux | i dunno what the problem is |
| 20:18.48 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: you find it out! |
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| 20:23.18 | kill4killin | ah, my mouse is doing crazy stuff again! |
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| 20:24.15 | Hoxzer | kill4killin: too much beer :( |
| 20:24.20 | kill4killin | lol |
| 20:24.28 | kill4killin | no, like im moving it and it thinks im clicking and stuff |
| 20:24.39 | Hoxzer | I heard that one my friend served beer to his keyboard and it didn't like |
| 20:24.41 | kill4killin | it keeps switching desktops and doing like ctrl-click and stuff |
| 20:24.48 | Hoxzer | what a thank less prick |
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| 20:25.18 | Hoxzer | "thank less" = ungrateful |
| 20:25.19 | Hoxzer | ;) |
| 20:25.44 | kill4killin | do you think this could be a problem with my mouse driver? |
| 20:25.56 | Gnurdux | might be a hardware problem |
| 20:25.58 | kill4killin | or maybe that im using USB to PS/2 converter |
| 20:26.04 | Gnurdux | do you run another OS on the box? |
| 20:26.11 | helo | if anyone here is a sed wizard... i can't figure out why this won't strip all whitespace from the beginning and end of whatever is piped into it: sed -e 's/^[ \n\t]+//;s/[ \n\t]+$//' |
| 20:26.13 | kill4killin | no, but i have it running through a KVM |
| 20:26.23 | Gnurdux | ok... |
| 20:26.32 | Gnurdux | so you have no PS2 ports? |
| 20:26.50 | kill4killin | the KVM only has ps/2 so i had to convert the USB mouse to PS/2 |
| 20:27.07 | Gnurdux | i didnt know you could do that |
| 20:27.10 | Gnurdux | interesting |
| 20:27.17 | kill4killin | you can, they make adapters |
| 20:27.30 | Gnurdux | well you could try knoppix |
| 20:27.45 | kill4killin | how would that help |
| 20:27.50 | Bhavesh | kill4killin: i have used USB->ps/2 convert on kvm switch ( if that's what you are using) and on regular computer, it works |
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| 20:28.16 | kill4killin | Bhavesh: do you know what driver you used for it? |
| 20:28.25 | Gnurdux | what would happen if you plugged a thumb drive into a usb->ps2 converter |
| 20:28.55 | pickcoder | Gnurdux: you'll probably lock up the port |
| 20:29.05 | kill4killin | Gnurdux: i dont know...that woudl be interesting |
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| 20:29.21 | CRK-FOX | I have some problems with daemonshield.... |
| 20:29.22 | Gnurdux | as long as its a cheap thumb drive with no important data ;P |
| 20:29.23 | CRK-FOX | look... |
| 20:29.25 | pickcoder | Gnurdux: try it for KB too and let us know what happens |
| 20:29.26 | CRK-FOX | Oct 11 16:28:14 localhost daemonshield[6201]: Started. |
| 20:29.28 | CRK-FOX | Oct 11 16:28:14 localhost daemonshield[6201]: Unexpected error, exiting:exceptions.OSError |
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| 20:29.29 | pickcoder | :P |
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| 20:30.02 | Bhavesh | kill4killin: i don't think you use any driver for just plugging it in to cosole |
| 20:30.05 | abrotman | !tell CRK-FOX about iptables |
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| 20:33.18 | magnus | If I do not have access to a DNS server, what can I do? |
| 20:33.28 | abrotman | use a public one |
| 20:33.35 | Braindead | magnus: get a REAAAAAAAALLY big hosts file |
| 20:33.35 | abrotman | and i'm sure you have access to a dns server |
| 20:33.36 | magnus | anyone got an IP? |
| 20:33.41 | magnus | Braindead: :D |
| 20:33.46 | abrotman | google "public dns server" |
| 20:33.57 | abrotman | or ask your ISP |
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| 20:35.02 | Hoxzer | Do you guys believe that if you have a sex with teacher you will learn faster? |
| 20:35.21 | Kevin` | 4.2.2.4 is a usable dns server, owned by level3 I think.. don't abuse it too much, but it's easy to remember |
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| 20:36.07 | Kevin` | long term, if you have no available local dns server, set your own up to do recursive lookups and caching |
| 20:36.10 | Kevin` | bind works well.. |
| 20:36.52 | Malawar | can always use openDNS.com |
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| 20:37.42 | kill4killin | uh oh, my mouse still doesn't like me |
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| 20:37.58 | Kevin` | Malawar you could, but it's not a good idea imo.. having a local server would be faster |
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| 20:38.10 | Kevin` | and will give correct results always |
| 20:38.10 | Malawar | true |
| 20:38.36 | Malawar | you can turn off the anti-phishing and typo-correction of opendns as well |
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| 20:39.36 | Kevin` | better be able to.. those 'features' aren't so useful imo |
| 20:39.58 | Malawar | anti-phishing could be useful, typo correcting is not. |
| 20:39.59 | Kevin` | I want dns to behave as it should |
| 20:40.13 | disasm | Kevin`: yeah, after comcast took over adelphia earlier this week and dns requests resolved so slooowww... I setup bind on my router and set dhcp to hand out the local dns server address ;-) |
| 20:40.15 | kill4killin | ok, this appears to be a scroll wheel issue with the mouse. Anyone have a suggestion? I tried changing the driver to /mice from psaux and my protocol is imps2 and i have setup the zaxis as '4 5' |
| 20:40.18 | CRK-FOX | I haven't the init script of iptables, but iptables is already installed... why I have not the /etc/init.d/iptables script? |
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| 20:40.39 | stew | CRK-FOX: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 20:40.44 | Kevin` | bbl |
| 20:40.45 | disasm | kill4killin: you mean /dev/input/mice? |
| 20:40.50 | kill4killin | yea that |
| 20:40.55 | disasm | CRK-FOX: write your own |
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| 20:41.26 | _Brandon_ | hi, is there a place where i can find the default runlevel configuration of debian? |
| 20:41.28 | kill4killin | everything i have read says that it should be working |
| 20:41.59 | wols | _Brandon_: what "default"? |
| 20:42.15 | disasm | kill4killin: ZAsixMapping is all you need for scrolling to work |
| 20:42.50 | kill4killin | well, it keeps thinking im either scrolling or clicking it because it keeps switching desktops on me |
| 20:42.50 | patbam | is it possible to use apt-get or aptitude to "start over" while leave a couple directory trees ( /home and /var/www) intact? misadventures in apt-pinning have resulted in a such a mess that i think attempting to fix them will take longer than reinstalling the few packages we need |
| 20:42.50 | eeyore- | good afternoon |
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| 20:43.31 | eeyore- | patbam: sure, why not just move them out of the way for a while and clean your /, and reinstall without reformat? |
| 20:43.38 | _Brandon_ | wols: i mean for example kdm should be un runlevel 2, because i've tryed to customize a bit the runlevel but i think that i've messed up something :P |
| 20:43.44 | disasm | patbam: i've always wanted a apt-get reinstall-all function, but it doesn't exist... |
| 20:43.44 | eeyore- | patbam: or, you don't want to reinstall? |
| 20:43.52 | epsilon | CRK-FOX; iptables is not a daemon, it only defines rules. you need to create yor set of rules by self |
| 20:44.37 | Malawar | .. |
| 20:44.44 | patbam | eeyore-: reinstalling is okay |
| 20:44.47 | Malawar | Hans Reiser arrested on suspicion of murder o_O |
| 20:44.47 | disasm | CRK-FOX: if you want a heavily insecure premade script that does NAT, gentux.org/proxy |
| 20:45.33 | patbam | i have offloaded those trees, i wondering if things like permissions or some such could cause unforeseen complications when i try to "graft" those trees back onto the new install |
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| 20:46.18 | sparr | I am trying to compile gimp and need libgtk+ 2.8.x, can anyone tell me what package that might be in? |
| 20:46.35 | kill4killin | disasm: is there a reason why my mouse would be thinking that im center clicking or scrolling when im not? |
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| 20:47.46 | _Brandon_ | sparr: try something like ibgtk2.0-dev |
| 20:47.47 | pickcoder | CRK-FOX: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:48.15 | disasm | sparr: 2.6.4 is the latest in stable, not sure about testing/unstable |
| 20:48.43 | sparr | disasm: ok, what package is 2.6.4 in in stable? |
| 20:48.51 | sparr | _Brandon_: ok, ill try that |
| 20:48.54 | disasm | libgtk2.0-dev |
| 20:49.29 | sparr | ok... thanks |
| 20:49.34 | h3sp4wn | sparr: Check if its not already in backports |
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| 20:49.51 | l3m | !iceweasel |
| 20:49.51 | dpkg | well, iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 20:50.01 | sparr | is there any particular reason for the naming inconsistencies between libgtk+... and libgtk...? or why 2.8/2.6 is in a package named 2.0? |
| 20:50.31 | pickcoder | heh iceweasel |
| 20:50.32 | sparr | l3m: can you point me to info on why debian cant just distribute firefox? |
| 20:50.51 | wols | !iceweasel |
| 20:50.51 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 20:50.55 | l3m | lol |
| 20:51.04 | l3m | ^^ |
| 20:51.08 | sparr | no |
| 20:51.16 | sparr | thats why debian cant distribute debian-firefox |
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| 20:51.26 | sparr | i want to know why debian cant just distribute mozilla-approved firefox |
| 20:51.51 | l3m | sparr: i have no idea; but I trust debian more than i do mozilla corporation... |
| 20:52.02 | sparr | ahh, ok, i see the answer on the wiki |
| 20:52.37 | biopyte | sparr, i think its because debian patches firefox themselves and thats what mozilla doesnt like. |
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| 20:52.44 | _Brandon_ | the bad thing is that in experimental we are still with firefox 2b2 while there is already rc2 |
| 20:53.19 | disasm | kill4killin: short in mouse? |
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| 20:54.21 | kill4killin | disasm: yea...was afraid of that |
| 20:54.32 | kill4killin | ill try putting in one of my other mice to see if that fixes it i guess |
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| 20:55.04 | ivorw | hmmm, some cron job is regenerating my /etc/resolv.conf obliterating my changes :( |
| 20:55.33 | ivorw | It's not one of mine, any idea what might be doing this? |
| 20:55.41 | MatBoy | cydork, he man ! how was your weekend ? |
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| 21:02.15 | littleswo | i installed debian amd64 a while ago ant then the url of the repository server (amd64.debian.net) changed and ever since i was not able to get my apt sources.list right. Can anybody help please? |
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| 21:04.48 | chops | littleswo: You should be able to use lines something like "deb http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ sarge main" |
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| 21:08.47 | famelix | oi |
| 21:08.49 | JiNKSeD | do i need and initrd image to get get a custom kernel to boot a SATA drive |
| 21:09.13 | famelix | Whats the version of kernel? |
| 21:09.20 | JiNKSeD | 2.6.18 |
| 21:09.40 | famelix | if you put the modules native you dont |
| 21:09.47 | famelix | you undestand? |
| 21:09.56 | JiNKSeD | which modules specifically |
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| 21:10.05 | JiNKSeD | i do, but i dont knwo which to compile in |
| 21:10.15 | famelix | um |
| 21:10.22 | EdgEy | is there any way to make sure umount is actually doing something and hasn't just.. frozen? |
| 21:10.51 | famelix | I dont know very weel |
| 21:10.54 | famelix | well* |
| 21:11.18 | littleswo | ps: that worked! can you help me out further? I must have selected libreadline4 to be installed somewhere and accidentally. Now aptitude wants to remove a lot of packages that are depending on readline-common. How do i cancel the installation of libreadline4? |
| 21:11.32 | JiNKSeD | ok, next question, |
| 21:11.39 | JiNKSeD | how do i make an initrd image |
| 21:12.00 | famelix | I never did that |
| 21:12.11 | JiNKSeD | i cant compile the SATA stuff natively, just tried, only compiles as a module, i think |
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| 21:12.32 | JiNKSeD | damn, me neither |
| 21:13.30 | famelix | no |
| 21:13.30 | famelix | yes it compile |
| 21:13.30 | famelix | but the dependencies of the module must be |
| 21:13.30 | famelix | compiled native too |
| 21:13.48 | famelix | usualy it opens a tree |
| 21:13.58 | famelix | in makemenuconfig |
| 21:14.09 | famelix | the top of the tree must be native |
| 21:14.29 | famelix | or then the module cant be putted native |
| 21:14.42 | famelix | you got it? |
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| 21:17.00 | JiNKSeD | yea |
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| 21:18.24 | littleswo | how do i mark libreadline4 in aptitude as not-to-be-installed? |
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| 21:19.25 | sonyoandreas | Things to do: 1. quit your job. 2. go to http://www.milliondollarscience.com 3. start making some freakin' money! 4 get filthy rich within 12 months! |
| 21:19.43 | Guerin | 0. stop thinking internet scams are real |
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| 21:20.16 | famelix | yea |
| 21:20.19 | kml | system came with 2g added 2g but it reports only 3g, any ideas? |
| 21:20.30 | jerb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:20.46 | Guerin | kml: 2g+2g=4g, as an drug dealer should know |
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| 21:21.01 | kml | haha |
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| 21:21.12 | Guerin | littleswo: /msg dpkg hold |
| 21:21.24 | famelix | I S2 debian |
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| 21:21.43 | kml | so why it show only 3g of ram |
| 21:21.44 | Guerin | famelix: itym <3 |
| 21:21.57 | famelix | itym? |
| 21:22.03 | Guerin | !itym |
| 21:22.03 | dpkg | i guess itym is I Think You Mean |
| 21:22.14 | Guerin | kml: what kernel? |
| 21:22.30 | kml | running fc4 default kernel |
| 21:22.36 | jerb | kml: could be BIOS settings |
| 21:22.38 | famelix | nice! |
| 21:22.42 | Guerin | kml: why the FUCK is this a debian issue then? |
| 21:22.52 | Guerin | !moron kml |
| 21:22.52 | dpkg | kml: You are moron #91 |
| 21:23.21 | kml | isn't fc4 linux |
| 21:23.42 | jerb | yes but not debian try ##linux |
| 21:23.48 | Guerin | kml: not all linuces are equal |
| 21:23.48 | jcole | lol |
| 21:23.57 | Guerin | try #fedora |
| 21:24.09 | jcole | in my opinion, fedora is not even linux |
| 21:24.19 | jerb | ohhh ouch |
| 21:24.23 | Guerin | jcole: fedora is a distro which comes with linux |
| 21:24.29 | famelix | an |
| 21:24.32 | jcole | Guerin: lol, right |
| 21:24.36 | famelix | hauahuah |
| 21:24.38 | kml | so people who use debian don't know anything much about fedora |
| 21:24.46 | Guerin | jcole: but you'll have a hard time justifying any opinion which says it doesn't include linux |
| 21:24.56 | Guerin | minerale: we are lucky in that regard, yes |
| 21:25.01 | kml | will try fedora chan |
| 21:25.02 | Guerin | kml: we are lucky in that regard, yes |
| 21:25.15 | famelix | lol |
| 21:25.36 | famelix | what means monon? |
| 21:25.41 | jcole | kml: fedora is it's own distro with it's own problems and intricacies |
| 21:25.49 | kml | isee you guys are dedicate to debian. |
| 21:26.17 | jerb | kml: respond to PM |
| 21:26.25 | jcole | kml: it uses it's own package management (rpm), admin tools, organized different, etc. |
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| 21:26.55 | ViniDebian | Debian is more cool |
| 21:27.08 | ViniDebian | is not so "Graphical interface" |
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| 21:27.23 | kml | i have use debian, fc, gentoo, centos, rhel i can't imaging just using debian but I do like debian over all. |
| 21:27.29 | ma3x | hello |
| 21:27.35 | ma3x | how do I reattach to a screen that is already running |
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| 21:27.42 | kml | thanks anyway. |
| 21:27.50 | ma3x | ie how do I display it from two sessions? |
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| 21:28.23 | Guerin | ma3x: man screen |
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| 21:28.54 | ma3x | Guerin: what is the option called? |
| 21:29.05 | ViniDebian | rtfm |
| 21:29.07 | Guerin | ma3x: -x |
| 21:29.17 | ma3x | ViniDebian: what are you protesting, I can't read the whole manual |
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| 21:29.26 | ma3x | that's why I'm asking what's the option called, so to search the manual for it |
| 21:29.30 | ma3x | Guerin: thank you |
| 21:29.44 | ViniDebian | it's a joke |
| 21:29.48 | ViniDebian | sory |
| 21:30.57 | jerb | kml: help me help you |
| 21:31.56 | kml | jerb: Motherboard, Tyan S2885ANRF |
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| 21:34.53 | ma3x | I get some freezes lately. is it possible because of excessive hard disk usage? I was running mondoarchive before, and it just froze |
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| 21:35.25 | Guerin | ma3x: more data required |
| 21:35.37 | jerb | kml: you see the PM? |
| 21:36.30 | ma3x | Guerin: I had the other applications as gaim, mail client, xchat running and I was archiving my files with mondo. Suddenly everything froze and I noticed that there was no power even from the usb ports |
| 21:36.40 | kml | jerb: the system is not here and it belong to a customer. I have ask them to check the POST for ram size and will ask them to try enable memory hole if it not enable yet. Thanks |
| 21:36.42 | ma3x | because the light of the usb mouse shut off |
| 21:36.57 | Guerin | ma3x: oh. That's not the sort of thing something as feeble as disk usage could cause. |
| 21:37.09 | Guerin | ma3x: were you backing up to a USB drive, perchance? |
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| 21:37.29 | ma3x | Guerin: no, to a DVD, but it didn't get yet to that - to writing to the DVD |
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| 21:37.50 | ma3x | it was still archiving it locally - in tmp/ |
| 21:38.22 | kml | i see. |
| 21:38.47 | ma3x | a few days ago I had a similar freeze where the lcd screen blacked out and nothing was responding. |
| 21:38.54 | ma3x | I wonder what causes that |
| 21:39.05 | ma3x | I have pci=routeirq, could that be a problem? |
| 21:39.16 | RichiH | any idea what package holds vim 7's spell files? |
| 21:39.21 | RichiH | i need additional languages |
| 21:40.05 | Guerin | RichiH: should use aspell/ispell/myspell - your choice |
| 21:40.08 | Guerin | i think |
| 21:40.23 | ft | RichiH: vim-spellfiles-* |
| 21:40.46 | FernandoMM | Why this error happens when executing apt-get update? GPG Error: http://ftp.br.debian.org etch Release: Unknow error when executing gpgv |
| 21:40.49 | RichiH | ft: those are not in packages |
| 21:41.23 | RichiH | Guerin: well, i would like to use the inbuilt spellcheck |
| 21:41.27 | Guerin | oh |
| 21:41.38 | RichiH | dunno why it does not use the normal spell files :/ |
| 21:41.41 | RichiH | seems stupid |
| 21:41.42 | ViniDebian | anyone had problems with the xorg from etch? |
| 21:41.54 | ft | RichiH: "not in packages"? |
| 21:42.06 | Guerin | ViniDebian: BTS |
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| 21:44.24 | RichiH | ft: apt-cache search vim | grep -i spell returns nil |
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| 21:45.25 | ft | RichiH: ah, these are in experimental, I think. |
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| 21:45.50 | ViniDebian | bts? |
| 21:45.59 | Guerin | !bts |
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| 21:46.00 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 21:46.14 | ViniDebian | ou |
| 21:46.43 | RichiH | ft: what the fuck would they be in experimental for? |
| 21:46.44 | ViniDebian | ty |
| 21:46.49 | Sverre^ | out of interest |
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| 21:47.06 | ViniDebian | xgl |
| 21:47.08 | RichiH | so, delete the manually installed ones and use packages, it is |
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| 21:47.31 | ViniDebian | bye |
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| 21:47.46 | ft | RichiH: I don't know why they are in exp. I didn't put them in there... |
| 21:48.04 | RichiH | ft: heh, i did not mean to attack you with that ;) |
| 21:48.57 | ft | RichiH: ah, EPARSE on my side then ;) |
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| 21:49.20 | RichiH | eparse? |
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| 21:51.01 | RichiH | [2006-06-24] Accepted 20060604-1 in experimental (low) (Stefano Zacchiroli) |
| 21:51.34 | RichiH | long time for packages that contain only data |
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| 22:00.18 | devicenull | er, what can I do to reduce memory usage? |
| 22:00.31 | devicenull | my laptop only has 128mb of ram.. and I only see 6mb free |
| 22:00.48 | stew | devicenull: how much in the buffers/cached columns of free? |
| 22:00.50 | ft | devicenull: shut down firefox ;) |
| 22:00.52 | Xteven | run less applications :) |
| 22:00.54 | devicenull | ft, no GUI |
| 22:01.00 | devicenull | I'm only at commandline atm |
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| 22:01.11 | devicenull | buffers/cache: |
| 22:01.21 | devicenull | 45228 used 73136 free |
| 22:01.41 | stew | devicenull: so you have more free ram than used ram |
| 22:01.49 | devicenull | no |
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| 22:01.54 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 22:02.10 | stew | devicenull: linux is just being smart and using your unused ram temporarily as disk cache to speed your system up: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 22:02.17 | devicenull | Mem: used: 109mb free: 5 |
| 22:02.18 | devicenull | oh |
| 22:02.33 | devicenull | ah ok |
| 22:02.36 | devicenull | that makes sense |
| 22:02.43 | devicenull | I was trying to figure ou where it went, and I couldnt |
| 22:02.57 | ribnitz | in my sid, certain x applications (Firefox, eg.) do not display the normal fonts correctly. (Only when higlhighted do they display). COmments, ideas, suggestions? |
| 22:02.57 | stew | devicenull: the cached memory will be returned immediately if it is needed by real applications |
| 22:03.10 | devicenull | ok, that makes sense |
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| 22:03.52 | ribnitz | devicenull: How much mem, how much swap in use? |
| 22:04.01 | devicenull | virtually none |
| 22:04.19 | devicenull | 76KB |
| 22:04.23 | devicenull | er |
| 22:04.36 | devicenull | swap: 76kb used, 353312 free |
| 22:04.43 | ribnitz | how do you load linux with 76kb ram? ;) |
| 22:04.46 | devicenull | mem: 112236 used, 6128 free |
| 22:04.56 | devicenull | all KB |
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| 22:05.30 | ribnitz | devicenull: 128MB ram, 360MB swap. |
| 22:05.41 | devicenull | yea, I know |
| 22:05.42 | devicenull | free -m |
| 22:06.03 | devicenull | but if I do -m, 0mb of swap is used :P |
| 22:06.35 | ribnitz | devicenull: 76k = 0m |
| 22:06.41 | devicenull | I realize that |
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| 22:07.33 | Coke | What is the default mutt command to save an email to file? Using maildir it always wants to create a maildir structure before saving. |
| 22:07.33 | devicenull | seeing I had no free memory made me kill a bunch of apache threads |
| 22:07.36 | devicenull | so I guess it works |
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| 22:07.44 | ribnitz | once you continuously use about half your swap, you probably need more ram. |
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| 22:08.38 | ribnitz | Gah, tetex comes with 44MB doc? |
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| 22:24.04 | wall0159 | hi all. has anyone reflashed the firmware on a Seagate drive? where'd you get it? |
| 22:24.26 | wall0159 | (sorry if off topic, not sure where to post..) |
| 22:24.45 | JiNKSeD | wall0159, you buy some lot of drives from ebay? |
| 22:24.47 | Gnurdux | do you even use debian? |
| 22:24.58 | wall0159 | :-) No, and yes |
| 22:25.02 | Gnurdux | hmmm |
| 22:25.05 | Gnurdux | oh ok |
| 22:25.14 | JiNKSeD | good luck, they have custom firmwares that slow them down |
| 22:25.23 | Gnurdux | so are you asking: how do you use the firmware flasher on linux?? |
| 22:25.26 | JiNKSeD | been there too many times... |
| 22:25.37 | Gnurdux | JiNKSeD, the firmware slows em down, then why update it? |
| 22:26.04 | wall0159 | no. I know how to use it, but Seagate don't offer downloads of firmware. I've looked at warez sites, and p2p for firmware, but I just can't see that working.. |
| 22:26.12 | JiNKSeD | the firmware that is loaded is usually for a storage device, so they are not as fast as they could/should be |
| 22:26.38 | wall0159 | I was just wondering if anyone's successfully sourced the appropriate firmware, and flashed it... |
| 22:26.44 | Gnurdux | whats the advantage of updating firmware? |
| 22:26.46 | JiNKSeD | i have a few boxes of 10-20 drives with firmware like that |
| 22:26.58 | JiNKSeD | faster drive |
| 22:26.58 | wall0159 | (I have a 'dead' HD, with what I suspect is corrupted firmware) |
| 22:27.05 | streuner | Gnurdux: fixed bugs, more features |
| 22:27.24 | streuner | Gnurdux: but if you don't have problems just use the old firmware |
| 22:27.33 | Gnurdux | how did you corrupt it |
| 22:27.41 | JiNKSeD | you can get 10k rpm 80 gb drives for around $10 ea. if you buy a lot of 20 |
| 22:27.43 | wall0159 | heh heh... good ol' PSU |
| 22:27.58 | wall0159 | *shucks* un-backed up data.. |
| 22:28.00 | JiNKSeD | but the problem with them is the firmware |
| 22:28.04 | streuner | Gnurdux: oh, you're the "answer" guy :-) |
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| 22:28.36 | ribnitz | wall0159: Usually harddive firwares are not flashable. |
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| 22:28.46 | JiNKSeD | and they run great, just a little slower than they really should be, the run around 100mbps data transfer rate |
| 22:29.00 | streuner | HD manufactors would say thanks, ribnitz ;-) |
| 22:29.09 | wall0159 | ahh.. ok.. I'd read to the contrary, but Seagate said they don't help with firmware, and to make a warranty claim. I'd rather recover the data.. |
| 22:29.14 | JiNKSeD | wall0159, i have been looking everywhere, no luck here... |
| 22:29.21 | sbk | what is the magic dpkg reconfigure command to change my console keyboard mapping? |
| 22:29.32 | ribnitz | streuner: I have really not seen a flashable hd fieware. |
| 22:29.33 | wall0159 | oh.. damn.. then I guess I can kiss it goodbye.. |
| 22:29.40 | JiNKSeD | wall0159, do you have another drive that is exactkly the same? |
| 22:29.54 | wall0159 | it's weird tho - Seagate provide tools to flash the firmware (among other things) but not the firmware itself.. |
| 22:29.56 | wall0159 | nope |
| 22:29.57 | streuner | ribnitz: well, imagine everyone could play with the firmware... |
| 22:29.58 | JiNKSeD | you can pull the platters out, or even swap the pcb |
| 22:30.05 | wall0159 | heh hhe .. :-) |
| 22:30.14 | Gnurdux | if they have flashing tools then its flashable |
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| 22:30.21 | wall0159 | what do you reckon the odds of success are? |
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| 22:30.24 | JiNKSeD | its flashable |
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| 22:30.37 | JiNKSeD | but finding the firmware is next to impossible |
| 22:30.41 | wall0159 | ahh |
| 22:30.44 | ribnitz | streuner: No, I am not helping you revoer the 500 gb of now-junk you have there.. :) |
| 22:30.50 | JiNKSeD | i've tried |
| 22:31.05 | wall0159 | that's a pity. oh well |
| 22:31.24 | JiNKSeD | wall0159, try the hd with another scsi controller |
| 22:31.40 | streuner | ribnitz: s/now-junk/pr0n/ ;-) |
| 22:31.41 | wall0159 | as in, replacing the external control circuitry? |
| 22:31.43 | ribnitz | How do I chage the fonts firefox uses? - mine do not display, unles highlighted. |
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| 22:32.06 | JiNKSeD | wall0159, yes, but before you do that, try it with a diff controller |
| 22:32.17 | JiNKSeD | i have seen some issues when you mix brands |
| 22:32.29 | wall0159 | ah.. yeah - I've tried it with a few, internal/external... not a happy HD.. |
| 22:32.34 | streuner | ribnitz: change the entries in preferences? |
| 22:32.39 | wall0159 | it's IDE tho, not SCSI |
| 22:32.50 | JiNKSeD | OH |
| 22:32.57 | JiNKSeD | use some data recovery tool |
| 22:33.01 | ribnitz | wall0159: try another ide controller then. |
| 22:33.10 | Gnurdux | awya |
| 22:33.15 | JiNKSeD | is the drive recognized by the bios |
| 22:33.19 | wall0159 | no go. it's non-functioning, non-detecting |
| 22:33.33 | wall0159 | I've looked at ddrecover (I think it was) and a couple of varients.. |
| 22:33.36 | JiNKSeD | change the pcb from an identica drive |
| 22:34.04 | wall0159 | that could be a goer, but I thought I'd try the firmware route before messing with the hardware.. |
| 22:34.20 | wall0159 | ..but it sounds like that ain't gonna happen.. |
| 22:34.25 | Seb | I had all locales in /etc/locale.gen; if I edit it and leave only a few of them in there, then re-run locale-gen, will it clean up the extra locales under /usr/share/locales/... ? |
| 22:34.25 | JiNKSeD | you wont be able to update the firmware if the bios doesnt detect it |
| 22:34.47 | wall0159 | ahh. ok.. hm.. |
| 22:34.54 | wall0159 | bye bye photos, mehtinks.. |
| 22:35.06 | JiNKSeD | http://home.insightbb.com/~stephenwmoore/Speakers/Hard_Drive_Speaker.htm |
| 22:35.16 | JiNKSeD | there is still some use for it ;) |
| 22:35.34 | wall0159 | heh heh... nice.. |
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| 22:36.19 | wall0159 | ah well. thanks for your help, JiNKSeD and everyone.. I guess it's a warranty claim for this puppy.. |
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| 22:37.09 | omar | how do i make an initrd image in debian, anyone know? |
| 22:37.55 | Seb | omar: man mkinitrd |
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| 22:41.12 | streuner | omar: read newbiedoc.sf.net section KERNEL-HOWTO |
| 22:41.35 | streuner | too |
| 22:42.09 | sanmarcos | when I return from suspend or hibernate, my usb mouse stops working, any ideas? |
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| 22:42.48 | mo1991 | what do I need to install on debian sarge to use the gimp-print drivers? Please let me know |
| 22:43.03 | bbelt16ag | hey where do i find the sources for which my kernel was built from for ppc 2.6 kernel |
| 22:43.10 | bbelt16ag | ... |
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| 22:43.41 | sanmarcos | apt-cache search mo1991, bbelt16ag |
| 22:43.41 | gimmulf_ | What packages should i get if i want emacs+ruby/html/css support? |
| 22:43.54 | gimmulf_ | cant scroll upp the apt-cache search :) |
| 22:43.55 | sanmarcos | gimmulf_: apt-cache search emacs |
| 22:44.04 | sanmarcos | apt-cache search whatever | less |
| 22:44.08 | gimmulf_ | sanmarcos: cant scroll up to see all results :) |
| 22:44.12 | sanmarcos | gimmulf_, or change the scrollback on your term |
| 22:44.21 | sanmarcos | pipe it to less gimmulf_ |
| 22:44.23 | blondie | gimmulf_: apt-cache search blah | less |
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| 22:44.37 | mo1991 | sanmarcos - huh, dont understand |
| 22:44.46 | sanmarcos | mo1991: search for gimp print |
| 22:44.48 | sanmarcos | !apt-cache |
| 22:44.48 | dpkg | [apt-cache] a tool with several commands that query the package cache in various ways. To see versions of a package or which repository is came from, use apt-cache policy foo, apt-cache show foo or apt-cache showpkg foo (searches for reverse dependencies). apt-cache search foo helps finding which packages provide or are related to foo by seearching all package descriptions. man apt-cache |
| 22:44.56 | mo1991 | apt-cache search gimp print |
| 22:45.04 | gimmulf_ | blondie: less: command not found :) |
| 22:45.13 | blondie | gimmulf_: wtf. |
| 22:45.28 | sanmarcos | Question: With a stock debian kernel, my machine powers down, but does not shut down completely, this is probably because some weird acpi/apm powerdown setting in the kernel config, is there a way to circumvent that without having to use my own kernel |
| 22:45.46 | blondie | apt-get install less |
| 22:46.41 | gimmulf_ | thanks blondie |
| 22:48.26 | sanmarcos | is there a way to disable something built in to the kernel? |
| 22:48.28 | sanmarcos | say acpi? |
| 22:49.29 | bbelt16ag | allright i think i foudn what i need |
| 22:49.37 | gimmulf_ | blondie: hmm seems like emacs need the libxmu6 package which depends on xfree86? |
| 22:49.54 | bbelt16ag | blondie: use VI |
| 22:49.55 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.58 | bbelt16ag | * ROFL |
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| 22:50.59 | streuner | !start an editor war |
| 22:51.00 | dpkg | "cat >" blows |
| 22:51.58 | streuner | sanmarcos: look at the "kernelparameters" |
| 22:53.34 | sineer | anyone know where I can find info on tweaking etch nfs-kernel-server on 2.6.18 linux ? |
| 22:53.56 | bbelt16ag | ook that did not work! |
| 22:54.10 | bbelt16ag | what package do i need to download to get the sourcre for ppc 2.6.8 ? |
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| 22:54.20 | bbelt16ag | so i can configure an app |
| 22:54.24 | bbelt16ag | with ./configure |
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| 22:54.27 | n3kl | Hi |
| 22:54.34 | streuner | !b-e bbelt16ag |
| 22:54.34 | dpkg | bbelt16ag: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 22:54.36 | n3kl | Is anyone using evdev? |
| 22:54.55 | bbelt16ag | ok will try |
| 22:55.10 | streuner | what's the name of the app., btw? |
| 22:55.20 | bbelt16ag | fuse |
| 22:55.31 | bbelt16ag | so i can install new ntfs 3g drivers |
| 22:55.44 | bbelt16ag | work fine on i86 arch |
| 22:56.16 | bbelt16ag | its check the kenrel source directory and it cant find it |
| 22:57.00 | streuner | you'll need prolly kernel headers for your kernel then, INSTALL or README of the app itself should tell you better |
| 22:57.44 | streuner | but if you want compile third party driver (kernel) you always need kernel header of your running kernel |
| 22:57.52 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 22:57.59 | bbelt16ag | i can find that in apt-get then ty stre |
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| 22:58.31 | streuner | hm, you should ask in #mepis, if you already use mepis |
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| 22:59.01 | streuner | s/already/acutally/ |
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| 23:00.00 | n3kl | do I need udev? |
| 23:00.34 | streuner | hm, udev becomes better and better |
| 23:00.36 | liable | no, but it may be a depends of something else you have |
| 23:00.58 | streuner | n3kl: what version of debian? |
| 23:01.00 | bbelt16ag | what? |
| 23:01.03 | n3kl | liable: ok, I was wondering why it was installed already, if its a dep that makes sense |
| 23:01.05 | bbelt16ag | no i am usinge Debian |
| 23:01.08 | n3kl | etch |
| 23:01.09 | lunitik | streuner: sarcasm? I thought you were arguing why udev was crap a few days ago? |
| 23:01.23 | liable | n3kl: gnome will install it |
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| 23:01.39 | n3kl | for some reason, I can't for the life of me figure out why my logitech wireless work work] |
| 23:01.44 | streuner | lunitik: Md did a fantastic job and made udev what it is now... |
| 23:01.45 | lunitik | s/days/weeks/ probably... my sense of time is kinda fucked |
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| 23:02.32 | streuner | lunitik: well, i changed my mind 180 degrees about... |
| 23:02.33 | lunitik | streuner: Matt Zimmerman md? of Ubuntu fame? I didn't know he was a kernel hacker? |
| 23:02.50 | streuner | nah, Matt has another nick |
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| 23:03.07 | streuner | !maint udev |
| 23:03.15 | dpkg | udev: Marco d'Itri <md@linux.it> |
| 23:03.18 | pickcoder | how can I awk a variable's content in bash |
| 23:03.27 | azeem | lunitik: Matt is mdz |
| 23:03.37 | lunitik | azeem: my mistake |
| 23:03.53 | phogg | pickcoder: what does it mean to awk something? |
| 23:04.39 | lunitik | phogg: man awk |
| 23:04.54 | pickcoder | phogg: I'm parsing a file and need to extract fields within a variable |
| 23:04.59 | phogg | lunitik: I know what awk is, I don't know how to awk something |
| 23:05.01 | bbelt16ag | still not working |
| 23:05.18 | lunitik | phogg: actually... whatis awk is likely more what you want, not the entire man page |
| 23:05.38 | lunitik | phogg: then I guess you do want the whole man page.... |
| 23:06.01 | pickcoder | phogg: I have no problems awking the readline for a specific field group in the row, but I then need to extract part of a field by another delimiter |
| 23:06.14 | pickcoder | I may just end up writing it in Perl |
| 23:06.18 | phogg | lunitik: so 'awk' is short for 'use awk to parse a string into variables on field delimiters'? |
| 23:06.34 | pickcoder | awk is a scripting lang |
| 23:07.01 | pickcoder | I wanted to write a short bash script to do it, but it looks like I'll have to write 20 lines of Perl code.. :P |
| 23:07.32 | phogg | pickcoder: I see what you're saying. |
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| 23:08.54 | stew | pickcoder: "echo $variable | cut -d, -f2" or something. or give us a concrete example |
| 23:09.05 | pickcoder | gah.. stupid hotkeys |
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| 23:09.57 | pickcoder | stew: I have a file of passwds I want to automate updating using a script and a temp text file |
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| 23:10.18 | pickcoder | firstname lastname email_address passwd |
| 23:10.59 | locke | k so i installed deb sarge on this box i'm working on, and its all up and running except the mouse doesnt work |
| 23:11.00 | pickcoder | so to do "passwd" on each user I'd have to extract the email and then the user, as well as grab the passwd |
| 23:11.07 | locke | its a regular HP wheel mouse, PS2 |
| 23:11.28 | stew | while read firstname lastname email passwd ; do echo fn: $firstname ; echo ln: $lastname ; done < file |
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| 23:12.00 | stew | pickcoder: if they are really whitespace delimited |
| 23:12.01 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 23:12.02 | blondie | bbelt16ag: what? |
| 23:12.10 | bbelt16ag | what? |
| 23:12.16 | pickcoder | yeah, they are.. awk has no problem separating by field number |
| 23:12.17 | locke | i was using imps2 driver |
| 23:12.20 | bbelt16ag | my kenrel headers |
| 23:12.28 | locke | it actually 'autodetected' it and put it in, but didnt work |
| 23:12.41 | stew | pickcoder: then "read var1 var2 var3" shouldn't have a problem |
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| 23:13.54 | sparr | im trying to compile gimp the configure process fails to compile the libgtk test. it cant include "gtk/gtk.h", which is at /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h. is the problem with the gimp makefile, or with the source files, or with debian's gtk header placement, or other? |
| 23:14.36 | mo1991 | does anyone have the gimp-print driver working in sarge? Please let me know - used to have this as an option for my printer instead of standard hpijs, but after re-installing sarge I don't have this option |
| 23:15.08 | streuner | debian changed to hpijs... |
| 23:15.14 | streuner | in unstable! |
| 23:15.23 | sanmarcos | got myself a gun |
| 23:15.28 | lunitik | streuner: everyone did ;) |
| 23:15.36 | lunitik | sanmarcos: want a cookie? |
| 23:15.45 | mo1991 | streuner? So can I not use the gimp-print driver in a sarge system? |
| 23:15.50 | sanmarcos | lunitik: yes!!! |
| 23:15.58 | streuner | mo1991: sure :-) |
| 23:15.58 | azeem | sparr: do you have a gtk.h at all? |
| 23:16.09 | streuner | mo1991: but don't use hpijs |
| 23:16.21 | n3kl | does evdev exist in etch? |
| 23:16.23 | lunitik | *crumbles up a cookie and puts it in sanmarcos' gun* |
| 23:16.28 | mo1991 | streuner - what do I need to install to see the gimp-print driver as an option in cups? |
| 23:16.32 | streuner | !nuke sanmarcos |
| 23:16.35 | mo1991 | right now hpijs is the only option |
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| 23:16.56 | streuner | mo1991: its another ppd - not more or less... |
| 23:17.07 | streuner | you should see those |
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| 23:17.27 | mo1991 | what package will install the ppd file? |
| 23:17.32 | mo1991 | streuner |
| 23:17.34 | streuner | mo1991: after installing just run /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 23:17.34 | mo1991 | ? |
| 23:17.45 | mo1991 | what do I install though? |
| 23:17.53 | jelly | Isn't it called gutenprint nowadays? |
| 23:18.09 | phogg | that sounds familiar |
| 23:18.16 | mo1991 | streuner - there does not seem to be a gimp-print package for sarge |
| 23:18.20 | streuner | mo1991: visit linuxprinting.org and see what you need, those package have usually the same name in debian |
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| 23:18.47 | kill4killin | bah, im still getting the problem with my mouse thinking that i am center clicking and scrolling with the scroll wheel when i am not |
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| 23:19.36 | streuner | zerberus:/home/streuner# apt-cache search gimp print |
| 23:19.38 | mo1991 | streuner - linuxprinting .org says to install the gimp-print pckage |
| 23:19.51 | streuner | cupsys-driver-gimpprint - Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS |
| 23:20.12 | kill4killin | At first i thought that it was a problem with the mouse so i reconnected a different mouse, but its still happening, and it doesn't happen in windows, only in linux |
| 23:20.32 | mo1991 | streuner - already installed but do not have any options for gimp-print |
| 23:20.43 | mo1991 | in cups interface |
| 23:21.07 | streuner | install gimpprint-doc |
| 23:21.18 | mo1991 | ok, is that a help doc? |
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| 23:21.25 | streuner | no idea :-) |
| 23:21.31 | streuner | !info gimpprint-doc |
| 23:21.47 | bbelt16ag | well i think its looking for the actual kernel source.. so i am unpacking the packe with the kernel source |
| 23:21.54 | bbelt16ag | and trying with its directory |
| 23:22.03 | streuner | !info gimpprint-doc sarge |
| 23:22.10 | dpkg | gimpprint-doc: (Users' Guide for Gimp-Print and CUPS), section doc, is optional. Version: 4.2.7-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 551 kB, Installed size: 820 kB |
| 23:22.51 | sanmarcos | whats the name of the apm module? |
| 23:23.45 | streuner | apm? |
| 23:24.00 | sanmarcos | wow! |
| 23:24.08 | streuner | yeah :-) |
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| 23:25.59 | abrotman | wait .. i remember coldboot .. he works for linspire! |
| 23:26.10 | streuner | mo1991: as i said before, debian changed in unstable to hpijs, if you are using stable just don't use it, you should see those ppd's then |
| 23:26.50 | sparr | azeem: yes, at /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h |
| 23:26.52 | locke | anyone have a suggestion on how to figure out what to use for the mouse? |
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| 23:27.00 | locke | it is currently /dev/input/mice |
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| 23:27.17 | abrotman | locke: probably the thing with two buttons and a ball ? |
| 23:27.22 | streuner | locke: what kernel do you use? (cat /proc/version) |
| 23:27.37 | coldboot | abrotman: ah fuck, that's not me |
| 23:27.49 | abrotman | coldboot: yeah it is! |
| 23:28.01 | kill4killin | is there a 2.6-686 kernel out? |
| 23:28.06 | coldboot | abrotman: Do you mean xandros? |
| 23:28.10 | locke | streuner: 2.4.27--3-386 |
| 23:28.17 | abrotman | coldboot: oh yeah .. that was better than corel .. my initial guess :) |
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| 23:28.18 | coldboot | abrotman: I worked at Xandros, but I don't remember what nick I was using there |
| 23:28.25 | coldboot | abrotman: Ah okay, that is me then. =) |
| 23:28.26 | abrotman | kill4killin: of course |
| 23:28.27 | locke | debian 1:3.3.5-13 |
| 23:28.45 | ovaici | !seen deadcat |
| 23:28.46 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 3h 15m 31s, last said: 'Twistedemo: i will be at the davis bike auction this sat 8am'. |
| 23:28.57 | kill4killin | !2.6 |
| 23:28.57 | dpkg | hmm... 2.6 is /msg dpkg kp or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6 or http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html for 2.4 to 2.6 differences long summary |
| 23:29.01 | ovaici | Bike auctions ftl. |
| 23:29.06 | kill4killin | that didnt help |
| 23:29.10 | abrotman | kill4killin: apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6 |
| 23:29.12 | coldboot | Xandros isn't the brightest bunch of light bulbs in the ceiling |
| 23:29.18 | coldboot | Working there was pretty boring |
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| 23:29.51 | abrotman | coldboot: ah but it is you :) |
| 23:30.20 | coldboot | abrotman: Yeah, it's me. I only worked there for four months as part of a Waterloo coop |
| 23:30.28 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:30.30 | coldboot | abrotman: Don't work there, they're not going to make it |
| 23:30.31 | kill4killin | abrotman: i thought it was linux-kernel 2.6 |
| 23:30.33 | sparr | "./nero.bin: symbol lookup error: ./nero.bin: undefined symbol: X11_KeyToUnicode" <--- might this be caused by dynamically linking to the wrong version of a library? if not, any other ideas? |
| 23:30.39 | abrotman | coldboot: i can't .. i don't live there :) |
| 23:30.49 | abrotman | kill4killin: which version of debian ? |
| 23:30.50 | streuner | locke: try 'mdetect' |
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| 23:31.10 | kill4killin | abrotman: sarge |
| 23:31.12 | locke | it ran, then went to next line |
| 23:31.13 | locke | no output |
| 23:31.17 | coldboot | abrotman: Well don't move there to work there, but Ottawa is alright. =) |
| 23:31.18 | abrotman | kill4killin: apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6 |
| 23:31.25 | kill4killin | abrotman: thank you |
| 23:31.29 | abrotman | coldboot: yes it's a nice city |
| 23:31.55 | streuner | heh |
| 23:32.24 | bbelt16ag | ok humor me peeps, what is ppc-smp??? |
| 23:32.24 | bbelt16ag | multiple processors? |
| 23:32.42 | lunitik | !smp |
| 23:32.43 | dpkg | [smp] (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 23:32.49 | locke | is mdetect supposed to have no output? |
| 23:32.55 | bbelt16ag | ok ty |
| 23:33.01 | streuner | locke: no |
| 23:33.08 | streuner | locke: use some options |
| 23:33.17 | streuner | -v or such |
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| 23:33.30 | locke | ah k |
| 23:33.37 | locke | found /dev/psaux and /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 23:33.40 | streuner | man mdetect says more |
| 23:33.46 | streuner | hm, its serial then |
| 23:33.47 | locke | isnt ttyS0 the getty terminal? |
| 23:33.51 | locke | its PS2 |
| 23:33.53 | locke | i promise |
| 23:33.59 | streuner | why both? |
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| 23:34.04 | streuner | that's pretty unusual |
| 23:34.11 | locke | yeah sounds weird to me |
| 23:34.20 | locke | there is no serial device on the comp |
| 23:34.34 | streuner | do you use an atapter? |
| 23:34.58 | locke | nope |
| 23:35.02 | streuner | hm |
| 23:35.06 | locke | its just a standard 2 button+mousewheel HP mouse |
| 23:35.17 | streuner | no USB? |
| 23:35.39 | streuner | ok, change the X conf file to /dev/psaux |
| 23:35.42 | locke | k |
| 23:35.45 | locke | already did actually :) |
| 23:35.50 | locke | im restarting X now |
| 23:35.56 | locke | heeeey works |
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| 23:36.15 | locke | sweet :) |
| 23:36.21 | locke | thanks for the help i appreciate it |
| 23:36.29 | locke | i've had this computer sitting here for like a month |
| 23:36.31 | locke | at least |
| 23:36.45 | streuner | you should ask in #kanotix, if you using it actually |
| 23:36.52 | kill4killin | is there a good read out there to learn about cluster computing? |
| 23:37.08 | locke | streuner: not on the box im working on |
| 23:37.12 | locke | i run kanotix on my machine |
| 23:37.23 | locke | i installed deb sarge on my clients machine |
| 23:37.32 | locke | i was going to give her ubuntu but it wouldnt boot on the box :P |
| 23:37.42 | deadcat | Twistedemo: what up... |
| 23:37.46 | locke | the only distro out of 4 i tried that would even boot to live was deb |
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| 23:38.45 | Twistedemo | deadcat, Sat Dude? Wtf you doing away at 9am? |
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| 23:39.14 | deadcat | Twistedemo: 9am? no 8am at uc davis campus.. bike aution. |
| 23:39.19 | sanmarcos | deadcat, streuner, cafuego, dondelelcaro, peterS, RichiH, sussudio < hardcores |
| 23:39.31 | streuner | heh |
| 23:39.59 | deadcat | sanmarcos: i dont know my nickname is part of that list. (= |
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| 23:40.08 | Twistedemo | deadcat, you need a bike? |
| 23:40.36 | deadcat | Twistedemo: kinna. i bought a road bike but its not really me.. i need a diff road bike. trying to sell the current one for 350$ |
| 23:40.49 | deadcat | Twistedemo: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/trek520_3529.jpg |
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| 23:41.55 | jazzmans | I'm having problems sharing folders with nfs between debian sarge boxes. afaict I've got all the syntax correct in /etc/exports /etc/hosts. one of the four folders shares perfectly, the other three all say permission denied on the machine I'm trying to mount the shares. any suggestions? |
| 23:41.58 | abrotman | !tell lordnazgul about root |
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| 23:42.10 | streuner | damn, someone is pretty fast today :-) |
| 23:42.13 | abrotman | !fast |
| 23:42.14 | dpkg | greycat |
| 23:42.26 | streuner | !factinfo fast |
| 23:42.26 | dpkg | fast -- created by petemc <pete@phlebas.tunnels.ipng.org.uk> at Fri Mar 7 22:27:20 2003 (1314 days); it has been requested 18 times, last by abrotman, 12s ago. |
| 23:42.33 | streuner | hm |
| 23:42.43 | deadcat | wtf. gravity's blog claims that some dude should be packaging beryl and uploaded within few days.. its few weeks... |
| 23:42.58 | abrotman | shit happens .. fix it yourself if you're not happy |
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| 23:43.14 | deadcat | Twistedemo: compiz is in unstable. you using it? (= |
| 23:43.31 | liable | i thought it was in? |
| 23:43.37 | jazzmans | when I open the folder with konqueror, the one that is being shared correctly shows an icon with what looks like a power plug on it. the un-shared folders do not. |
| 23:43.40 | abrotman | !info beryl sid |
| 23:43.41 | deadcat | abrotman: watching the post season? your team ALMOST made it. hahah.. |
| 23:43.54 | Twistedemo | deadcat, Errr... Im linux free.. Damn World Of Warcraft dude.. I went back to funqin windows |
| 23:43.55 | abrotman | deadcat: shit happens .. only eight teams can make it |
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| 23:44.11 | deadcat | Twistedemo: (= ya.. that game will get you alright. heheh |
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| 23:44.43 | liable | isn't the compiz thats in sid, in fact beryl? |
| 23:44.51 | deadcat | abrotman: i am just glad dodgers and the yankees are gone... lets get rid of oakland too heheh |
| 23:44.54 | Twistedemo | deadcat, dude.. its like a year straight of this came and I still cant stop |
| 23:44.58 | deadcat | liable: really? |
| 23:45.19 | streuner | !find compiz |
| 23:45.21 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'compiz' (6): compiz ;; compiz-core ;; compiz-dev ;; compiz-gnome ;; compiz-gtk ;; compiz-plugins. |
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| 23:45.36 | deadcat | Twistedemo: i think there was a south park ep on world of warcraft |
| 23:45.53 | Twistedemo | deadcat, hahaha I watched that shit... it was halarious |
| 23:45.59 | jazzmans | before a power outage today, all 4 folders were being shared correctly, and mount -a on the client machine mounted them correctly. |
| 23:46.02 | deadcat | Twistedemo: ya. hahhha... |
| 23:46.04 | azeem | liable: no, it's compiz AFAICT |
| 23:46.18 | GlocK | hello! :) is it possible to edit mp4's in linux ? |
| 23:46.38 | deadcat | ya.. and only the nvidia driver in experimental will work with nvidia cards i think. |
| 23:47.11 | Twistedemo | deadcat, kk going home dude.. holler at me later :D |
| 23:47.12 | liable | azeem: hrm, ok. must have misuderstood something at some point |
| 23:47.38 | azeem | beryl packages are supposed to get uploaded at some point, but won't make etch I heard |
| 23:47.41 | jazzmans | anyone able to assist? I"m stumped. I'd be willing to post /etc/exports or whatnot in #flood if anyone will help. |
| 23:47.49 | abrotman | azeem: they better .. or else! |
| 23:47.56 | streuner | azeem: we have enough bugs :-) |
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| 23:49.32 | deadcat | has anyone gotten compiz to play on a nvidia card yet? unstable, x86? |
| 23:50.02 | streuner | maybe 3-4 weeks |
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| 23:51.04 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:51.06 | stew | well other wondering |
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| 23:51.25 | dvs | !beer kill4killin |
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| 23:51.43 | ahlfors | oops |
| 23:52.01 | streuner | hm, that hits you hard? ;-) |
| 23:52.16 | kill4killin | does anyone know why sarge ships with a kernel older than 2.4? |
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| 23:52.29 | azeem | kill4killin: why not? |
| 23:52.30 | streuner | there is 2.6.8 |
| 23:52.59 | streuner | for sarge/stable, you can use whatever you need (kernel) |
| 23:53.02 | azeem | some Debian architectures worked best on 2.2 when sarge released IIRC |
| 23:53.17 | kill4killin | o |
| 23:53.18 | Guerin | really, sarge? |
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| 23:53.28 | kill4killin | every time iv installed it i have upgraded to 2.4 |
| 23:53.34 | kill4killin | only recently have i adopted 2.6 |
| 23:53.37 | Guerin | i know that was the case for woody, but I thought the kinks had been ironed out by sarge |
| 23:53.41 | kill4killin | actually as of 5 minutes ago to be exact |
| 23:53.48 | dvs | kill4killin: installed or upgraded? |
| 23:53.55 | kill4killin | upgrad |
| 23:53.58 | azeem | Guerin: "if I remember correctly" :) |
| 23:53.58 | kill4killin | e* |
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| 23:54.06 | dvs | kill4killin: kernels are not automatically upgraded |
| 23:54.08 | Guerin | azeem: fair enough |
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| 23:54.23 | kill4killin | yes, i know, i apt-get install kernel-image 2.x-xxx |
| 23:55.02 | azeem | no, sarge shipped 2.2 for m68k |
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| 23:55.18 | azeem | and I think neither 2.4 nor 2.6 were really up to it at that point |
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| 23:55.43 | dvs | thank goodness I didn't own an Amiga anymore. ;-) |
| 23:55.48 | Guerin | those angry young men who gre up under pinochet |
| 23:55.48 | kill4killin | i only went to 2.6 because i was having mouse problems and that was the best solution i could come up with after i tried everything else to try to get it to work |
| 23:56.05 | streuner | dvs: i wish i would have an Amiga ;-) |
| 23:56.31 | dvs | streuner: If only if they continually inproved it. |
| 23:56.36 | jazzmans | woa! why the hell does my system say 'unable to open %s for writing (30 Read-only file system) when I try aptitude update? is this because of the power outage/crash? is it related to my nfs problems? |
| 23:56.37 | streuner | dvs: Amigas are just great and there are some nice games for those ;-) |
| 23:57.16 | abrotman | jazzmans: good guess .. see what's mounted read only |
| 23:57.34 | streuner | dvs: "Pushout" a nice genius game, something you brain |
| 23:57.40 | streuner | need* |
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| 23:58.04 | streuner | Lionheart wasn't bad, etc. etc. |
| 23:58.08 | jazzmans | is mounted rw&=remount -ro. should I reboot? |
| 23:58.15 | dvs | streuner: Never heard of that game. |
| 23:58.20 | jazzmans | erm / is mounted .... |
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