| 00:01.19 | eubu | no its on another pc that i am net worked to i can mount but says that it cant open |
| 00:01.27 | Caitriona | I've got the packages and kernel module installed, now I get: |
| 00:01.28 | Caitriona | (EE) AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed (/usr/lib/dri/atiogl_a_dri.so: undefined symbol: __driCreateNewScreen_20050727) |
| 00:01.31 | Caitriona | (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering |
| 00:01.40 | Caitriona | Anyone seen that before? |
| 00:01.52 | p3rti | dondelelcaro, did you know about openlaszlo? |
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| 00:02.47 | abrotman | does it fill out frito lay entries for you ? |
| 00:03.09 | dondelelcaro | p3rti: best to just ask your question |
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| 00:05.49 | eubu | stew: thanks for the help i will have to try it some other time |
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| 00:06.22 | SGaleano | :P |
| 00:06.57 | efaistos_ | Does someone use Dotclear ? |
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| 00:07.57 | SGaleano | bye |
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| 00:12.08 | Knorrie | !someone |
| 00:12.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 00:13.25 | Quinn_Storm | I'm curious...with the (medium-sized) possibility that reiserfs development will suffer in the near future, and with the consistent reports of ext3 having trouble (and the fact that reiser can easily get into a state where grub 0.x can't understand it), what fs would you all recommend? |
| 00:14.07 | azeem | Quinn_Storm: ext3 |
| 00:14.21 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: seconded |
| 00:14.25 | Quinn_Storm | well ext3 has major performance problems... |
| 00:14.38 | azeem | Quinn_Storm: how much clients does your server serve? |
| 00:14.43 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: you can run it as ext2, then it's faster than reiserfs and still more stable |
| 00:15.09 | Quinn_Storm | it's a hybrid desktop+server box |
| 00:15.23 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: do you have redundant power? |
| 00:15.26 | abrotman | ext3 has performance problems ? |
| 00:15.34 | amphi | xfs works well here |
| 00:15.43 | Quinn_Storm | no, Guerin , so no non-journalled for me |
| 00:15.51 | Guerin | abrotman: like debian has performance problems compared to gentoo |
| 00:15.53 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: who says ext3 has performance issues ? .. last i checked .. ext3 was faster than reiser |
| 00:16.00 | azeem | I thought Quinn was talking about the ext3 corruption issues which turned up during FC testing |
| 00:16.01 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: no xfs either, then. |
| 00:16.16 | Quinn_Storm | I've heard of corruption, haven't had it here (yet) |
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| 00:16.24 | lunitik | abrotman: they keep working on performance things... so its obviously not as fast as it _can_ be... |
| 00:17.00 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: have you actually used ext3? You have to be running a pretty freaking busy box to notice a performance hit |
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| 00:17.10 | Guerin | the main issue is with unliking, iirc |
| 00:17.15 | Guerin | unlinking, even |
| 00:17.44 | Quinn_Storm | ok...well I guess I'll stick with ext3 for now |
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| 00:18.26 | azeem | !filesystems |
| 00:18.26 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 00:18.41 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 00:18.41 | dpkg | i guess filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 00:19.01 | abrotman | perhaps we should have peter ammend that with ext4 :) |
| 00:19.07 | azeem | Quinn_Storm: a first beta of ext4 is out? |
| 00:19.09 | azeem | eh, ;) |
| 00:19.13 | Quinn_Storm | lol ok...well thanks guys....and yeah see slashdot.org |
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| 00:19.34 | petemc | any regulars from prague? |
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| 00:19.55 | abrotman | petemc: is that kind of like philly? :) |
| 00:20.09 | petemc | almost, but not quite |
| 00:20.14 | azeem | I'm let down nobody trolled about beryl |
| 00:20.22 | petemc | less rockyish |
| 00:21.00 | petemc | im heading to prague in 4 hours |
| 00:21.21 | azeem | sounds like fun |
| 00:21.30 | petemc | im sure it will be |
| 00:22.04 | petemc | i hope so, at least |
| 00:23.09 | petemc | i'm bringing lots of money, and plan to engineer a situation that involves me, a hot and 3 ladies |
| 00:23.19 | petemc | hot tub |
| 00:23.44 | Knorrie | lol |
| 00:24.26 | abrotman | petemc: do i have to wear a wig again ? |
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| 00:24.59 | man_in_ltop | anyone here use network-manager-gnome? i can't get it working |
| 00:25.56 | psychonate | hmm, it seems I may have to try this XFS sometime |
| 00:26.23 | odl1 | man_in_ltop: is your card supported? |
| 00:26.45 | petemc | abrotman: nono, just be yourself |
| 00:26.52 | man_in_ltop | odl1, it supports wext extensions if that's a help |
| 00:26.57 | abrotman | petemc: oh .. this will be fun! |
| 00:27.09 | petemc | cakeass |
| 00:27.22 | odl1 | man_in_ltop: have you been to the network-manager website to see if you card is supported? |
| 00:27.47 | abrotman | petemc: well .. the cake would dissolve in the hottub :) |
| 00:27.56 | petemc | :) |
| 00:27.57 | man_in_ltop | "Unstable with NetworkManager 0.6.4 on FC5." |
| 00:28.18 | odl1 | what's that mean? |
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| 00:28.27 | man_in_ltop | odl1, if the daemon is running, should users be able to connect to it using nm-tool? |
| 00:28.31 | odl1 | freakin' /nick won't let me change to odla |
| 00:28.42 | odl1 | man_in_ltop: nm-applet i think |
| 00:28.48 | man_in_ltop | odl1, either |
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| 00:29.08 | odl1 | man_in_ltop: well if the daemon is running you should be able to use it if you card is supported |
| 00:29.11 | man_in_ltop | nm-applet does not appear in the systray |
| 00:29.35 | man_in_ltop | odl1, all it says about support is that it's unstable on fc5 |
| 00:29.49 | man_in_ltop | and since i'm in a debian channel, i'm guessing that's not 100% relavent to me |
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| 00:30.07 | odl1 | man_in_ltop: what are you running and what version of network-manager? |
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| 00:30.58 | man_in_ltop | debian, Package: network-manager-gnome, Version: 0.6.4-3+b1 |
| 00:30.59 | man_in_ltop | Package: network-manager-gnome |
| 00:31.02 | man_in_ltop | oops |
| 00:31.41 | odl1 | well if it works in fc then it might work in debian...but i'm no expert on network-manager cause the crummy program doesn't work for my card...though it use to :/ |
| 00:33.00 | abrotman | odl1: because there's another odla |
| 00:33.35 | man_in_ltop | http://pastebin.ca/201844 << that's the errors i'm getting |
| 00:33.35 | odl1 | abrotman: i am odla |
| 00:33.47 | odl1 | who would steal my nick? |
| 00:33.49 | abrotman | odl1: not today you're not |
| 00:33.56 | odl1 | wtf |
| 00:33.57 | abrotman | odl1: did you register your nick ? |
| 00:34.00 | odl1 | yup |
| 00:34.20 | abrotman | ok .. than /msg nickserv help .. get it back |
| 00:34.30 | man_in_ltop | odla is not responding to ctcp commands ... |
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| 00:35.47 | odl1 | strange it's telling me my nick isn't registered...but i registered it |
| 00:36.27 | abrotman | yes it is .. i just checked |
| 00:37.34 | dholbach | ich mag harnröhrenspielchen mit elektrik |
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| 00:38.29 | marsje | question: how can I configure bash so that when I type a letter and I press cursor up I will get the last history entry that start with that letter? |
| 00:38.58 | abrotman | !de |
| 00:38.58 | dpkg | i guess de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 00:39.36 | odla | ok :) |
| 00:39.52 | fs-a | hi, itd be very usefull to do "dpkg -r "+ all its dependencies"", any idea how? |
| 00:39.57 | azeem | the real one though |
| 00:39.58 | dholbach | azeem, :) |
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| 00:40.18 | fs-a | er, i meant apt-get remove |
| 00:40.20 | lunitik | fs-a: apt-get remove --purge foo? |
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| 00:40.29 | man_in_ltop | fs-a, possibly use aptitude |
| 00:40.30 | fourat | trying to configure GRUB on usb stick based distribution install, am blocked were i should add a root, doing "root (hd1, 0)" will return "Error 11: Unrecognized device string", the question will be: how to list my devices in grub console ? |
| 00:40.35 | fs-a | lunitik: + all its dependencies |
| 00:40.40 | lunitik | fs-a: or aptitude purge foo ... |
| 00:40.50 | petemc | fs-a: use aptitude |
| 00:40.53 | lunitik | fs-a: it SHOULD do that... aptitude will for sure though |
| 00:40.53 | fs-a | im not asking for purge |
| 00:41.13 | petemc | if you install with aptitude |
| 00:41.21 | lunitik | fs-a: umm... if you want the config files to stay... just 'aptitude remove foo' |
| 00:41.35 | fs-a | forget about purge:p |
| 00:41.36 | odla | abrotman: thanks for the help |
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| 00:42.05 | fs-a | i asked how to do without much bash scripting "apt-get remove something + the dependencies of something" |
| 00:42.27 | fs-a | itd be very useful i believe |
| 00:42.37 | fs-a | for apt |
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| 00:42.59 | lunitik | fs-a: apt-get can't do it... we told you how to do it with aptitude |
| 00:43.53 | SkareCrow | whats the password for the "nobody" account, is there a password for it? i can su to nobody from root but it ask's me for a PW if im a regular user |
| 00:44.07 | fs-a | you were telling me about purge but anyway |
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| 00:44.25 | SkareCrow | /etc/shadow has the pw set to * |
| 00:44.29 | lunitik | [17:42] <lunitik> fs-a: umm... if you want the config files to stay... just 'aptitude remove foo' |
| 00:44.35 | fourat | trying to configure GRUB on usb stick based distribution install, am blocked were i should add a root, doing "root (hd1, 0)" will return "Error 11: Unrecognized device string", the question will be: how to list my devices in grub console ? |
| 00:45.13 | enouf | !customer |
| 00:45.14 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 00:45.35 | lunitik | enouf: meh... he just couldn't comprehend... his question was answered |
| 00:45.56 | odla | moo |
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| 00:46.01 | enouf | wjen all else fails ...run |
| 00:46.08 | enouf | when |
| 00:46.30 | mikefoo | ok so I have a mkfs running and its been running a lot longer then normal, how can I kill it? kill -9 pid, isn't killing it |
| 00:46.34 | mikefoo | anyone have an idea |
| 00:46.43 | lunitik | Freudian Slip? or you just suck at typing today enouf? :P |
| 00:46.48 | enouf | 12guage should do |
| 00:47.09 | enouf | lunitik: check.. |
| 00:47.24 | lunitik | enouf: check what? |
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| 00:49.11 | Caitriona | mikefoo: : anytime kill -9 fails, something's locked in a kernel call |
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| 00:49.32 | mikefoo | ok so, what can I do? |
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| 00:49.51 | Caitriona | rarely, killing the parent will help, but most likely, you should just try to reboot in the least disruptive way still possible. |
| 00:49.57 | lunitik | mikefoo: only way to kill a zombie afaik is to restart the box |
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| 00:50.04 | Marupa | Is there any way to uninstall debian without having to reinstall windows? |
| 00:50.08 | dholbach | hi |
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| 00:50.11 | netdaemon | wee |
| 00:50.20 | netdaemon | bier__: ! |
| 00:50.29 | psychonate | Petabyte?! Christ, what is the world coming to? |
| 00:50.40 | dholbach | bier__, magst du mich anal penitrieren? |
| 00:50.43 | endia314 | The package hplip doesn't work without cupsys-client, but it's not dependent on cupsys-client. Is this a bug? |
| 00:50.44 | lunitik | Marupa: umm... just intall another distro over it or something... |
| 00:50.56 | lunitik | Marupa: or just format the box... I guess |
| 00:50.59 | Marupa | I want to get rid of linux entirely. I never use it on this box anyway. |
| 00:51.05 | Marupa | Formatting the box is not an option. |
| 00:51.15 | azeem | Marupa: what is an option? |
| 00:51.23 | Marupa | the option is: keep windows intact. |
| 00:51.32 | lunitik | Marupa: just format the partition from Windows as another drive... |
| 00:51.41 | azeem | you format hard disk partitions, not boxes |
| 00:51.54 | Marupa | what about grub/ |
| 00:51.54 | netdaemon | azeem: that might not work to friendly with grub ;) |
| 00:52.05 | lunitik | Marupa: can even mount the partition to somewhere in C:\ if you don't want more drives around... |
| 00:52.09 | azeem | netdaemon: hrm? |
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| 00:52.24 | netdaemon | azeem: grub won't even load if that partition is formated |
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| 00:52.45 | azeem | netdaemon: not if it is installed in the mbr I guess |
| 00:52.49 | netdaemon | he'll have to do fixmbr from the xp rescue console on the install cd |
| 00:53.28 | Marupa | ahh, so it is possible to do this without reformatting anything? (except the drives to be repartitioned to ntfs) |
| 00:53.29 | lunitik | format /mbr from XP :/ |
| 00:53.44 | netdaemon | fixmbr it is :P |
| 00:53.45 | bier__ | [2006-10-14 02:50:56] <dholbach> bier__, magst du mich anal penitrieren? <-- aber immer doch - so lange du schoen eng bist ist das kein problem... |
| 00:53.57 | Marupa | ok, so: |
| 00:54.06 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 00:54.16 | Marupa | reboot to xp rescue disk, fixmbr, reboot to windows, format the drives? |
| 00:54.17 | lunitik | Marupa: this isn't a Debian question... run along, we've told you what you need to do |
| 00:54.33 | netdaemon | Marupa: sounds like a plan =) |
| 00:54.42 | Marupa | yeah...like windows people would tell me how to do this. Riiiiiight. |
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| 00:55.01 | lunitik | Marupa: actually, Microsoft has a howto dedicated to the subject |
| 00:55.20 | Marupa | how sure are you this'll work, netdaemon? |
| 00:55.48 | netdaemon | Marupa: well if you run fixmbr from the rescue console and it boots straight to XP, you are on home stretch :P |
| 00:55.55 | Marupa | *nods* |
| 00:55.58 | netdaemon | i'v done the process many times |
| 00:56.04 | Marupa | ahh, ok. :3 |
| 00:56.06 | Marupa | thanks a ton. |
| 00:56.22 | Marupa | as much as I love debian, there's just stuff I can't do in it that I have to. |
| 00:56.27 | Marupa | (like use my tablet...) |
| 00:56.38 | lunitik | Marupa: you can use tablet's with X |
| 00:56.41 | Marupa | not mine |
| 00:56.45 | netdaemon | ah, i'm quite the opposite, i have no use for the features in windows |
| 00:56.51 | netdaemon | ut2k4 runs fine in linux =) |
| 00:56.54 | Marupa | hehe |
| 00:57.01 | netdaemon | same with doom and quake |
| 00:57.03 | Marupa | well, my tablet's an offbrand that will not work no matter what I do. |
| 00:57.29 | lunitik | Oh well... have fun using Windows :/ |
| 00:57.31 | netdaemon | anyways brb, gonna boot the etch kernel i just loaded :P |
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| 00:57.52 | Marupa | well, I'll be using linux, just ssh'd in. |
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| 00:58.07 | Marupa | thanks for the help. |
| 00:58.26 | CrippsFX | how easy is it to get multihead working on a laptop ... running fluxbox or icewm? |
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| 00:58.48 | lunitik | !xinerama |
| 00:58.48 | dpkg | xinerama is probably where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 00:59.10 | lunitik | CrippsFX: see the first link |
| 00:59.22 | lunitik | (unless you have nvidia card...) |
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| 00:59.33 | CrippsFX | lunitik, heh ... k. Now I'll ask a harder question ... what about an ati card? |
| 00:59.36 | CrippsFX | ;) |
| 01:00.08 | lunitik | CrippsFX: ATI sucks at Linux support, so I have no idea... presumably the first link though |
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| 01:00.14 | Firestarter | anyone know of a pdf editor for linux? |
| 01:00.24 | Eclipser | never... ever... use an ATI card if you want 3d support |
| 01:00.26 | lunitik | Firestarter: OpenOffice.org :P |
| 01:00.27 | psychonate | Firestarter, xpdf or evince |
| 01:00.34 | psychonate | oh, editor* |
| 01:00.38 | lunitik | psychonate: editor not veiwer |
| 01:00.41 | lunitik | good job |
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| 01:00.43 | psychonate | yeah, I see now |
| 01:00.47 | lunitik | viewer* |
| 01:00.48 | CrippsFX | lunitik, darn. I know for sure that fglrx doesn't support Xinerama. |
| 01:00.53 | psychonate | lunitik, calm down, you damned lunatic ;) |
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| 01:01.12 | azeem | Firestarter: there has been work on this, but nothing really usable yet I think |
| 01:01.24 | lunitik | psychonate: you're the one recommending xpdf ... heh... poppler > xpdf |
| 01:01.33 | CrippsFX | oh well ... I'm just a measly developer ... I have no need for 3d acceleration on my lappy I guess :P |
| 01:01.36 | psychonate | lunitik, never heard of it |
| 01:01.47 | lunitik | psychonate: its what Evince uses :/ |
| 01:02.00 | Firestarter | yeah. I can create pdf files in openoffice but can't edit them |
| 01:02.12 | lunitik | psychonate: its a fork of xpdf to make it not suck as bad |
| 01:02.12 | psychonate | lunitik, apparently poppler is also based on xpdf heh |
| 01:02.18 | psychonate | beat me to it |
| 01:02.35 | CrippsFX | Firestarter, correct me if I'm wrong ... but isn't that the *point* of a pdf? |
| 01:03.04 | Firestarter | I would like to edit some pdf's that I have |
| 01:03.30 | lunitik | Apparently Okular can edit PDF's ... but thats not released yet |
| 01:04.12 | lunitik | (going to be part of KDE4 |
| 01:04.14 | lunitik | ) |
| 01:05.38 | Firestarter | cool |
| 01:05.49 | CrippsFX | lunitik, the reason I was asking about icewm and fluxbox specifically is because right now I'm running icewm on a multimonitor display ... I have a virtual desktop on each monitor ... but on the second, icewm doesn't load, so I can't run anything on it. |
| 01:06.24 | Firestarter | it's not that big of a deal I can just redo the pdf's to get what I need |
| 01:06.37 | lunitik | CrippsFX: no idea what IceWM ... maybe its Xinerama support just sucks? |
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| 01:06.55 | abrotman | dude .. |
| 01:06.56 | lunitik | s/what/about/ |
| 01:07.06 | Firestarter | thank you all for the help |
| 01:07.08 | lunitik | abrotman: DUDE |
| 01:07.08 | abrotman | i think he wants to run two different X servers .. each on a different monitor |
| 01:07.31 | abrotman | i don't think with a single x server that you can run icewm on one .. and fluxbox on the other |
| 01:07.36 | CrippsFX | abrotman, that would be nice, although, that's not what I was asking. |
| 01:07.45 | CrippsFX | abrotman, nah, I would have the same wm on both |
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| 01:08.04 | lunitik | abrotman: DUDE ... you suck at following along :P |
| 01:08.04 | CrippsFX | I just haven't decided between fluxbox or icewm yet. |
| 01:08.11 | CrippsFX | lol. |
| 01:08.32 | CrippsFX | anyways, Imma go run a minimal install of etch. I'll be back when I have a usable system :P |
| 01:08.37 | CrippsFX | cheers for now. |
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| 01:09.03 | eegore | does anyone know where I can find the csm package |
| 01:09.16 | lunitik | Although, depending on hardware, there is certainly cases where WM's alone are the best choice |
| 01:10.34 | abrotman | can you run just kwin ? |
| 01:10.34 | lunitik | abrotman: yes |
| 01:10.34 | abrotman | ewww |
| 01:10.34 | lunitik | abrotman: you can even run gnome + kwin :P |
| 01:10.34 | eegore | I am trying to set up XGL and running etch |
| 01:10.34 | lunitik | abrotman: imo, kwin is the most feature rich window manager... so meh @ ewww |
| 01:10.34 | abrotman | of course you would |
| 01:10.39 | lunitik | eegore: good luck... Xgl isn't supported here though |
| 01:10.48 | abrotman | eegore: xgl isn't in debian .. aiglx is |
| 01:11.07 | lunitik | abrotman: meh... I'm not wearing my KDE zealot hat right now, its honestly the most feature rich WM... |
| 01:11.23 | abrotman | of course |
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| 01:11.51 | lunitik | Its better with KDE itself to compliment it though :D |
| 01:12.06 | Caelum | sawfish is a very nice WM |
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| 01:12.31 | lunitik | Caelum: true... its not as nice as KWin... abrotman uses it though, because he refuses to use Qt things |
| 01:12.37 | danieldg | speaking of kwin... what is the correct way to replace kwin with compiz? |
| 01:12.50 | danieldg | I've found one very incorrect way :) |
| 01:12.51 | abrotman | lunitik: opera? |
| 01:13.08 | abrotman | lunitik: qt and non-free! :) |
| 01:13.33 | danieldg | would this be a better question for #debian-kde? |
| 01:13.41 | lunitik | abrotman: Qt is duel licensed QPL and GPL |
| 01:13.52 | lunitik | danieldg: or #kde ... yes |
| 01:13.57 | abrotman | lunitik: i meant the damn browser . not the stupid toolkit .. |
| 01:14.01 | abrotman | freaking zealots |
| 01:14.05 | danieldg | ok, I'll try there... |
| 01:14.22 | lunitik | abrotman: I thought Opera released their source code? |
| 01:14.33 | abrotman | not that i'm aware . just the browser afaict |
| 01:14.45 | lunitik | abrotman: because they couldn't afford the Trolltech license afaik |
| 01:14.56 | abrotman | uhm ... you go find it |
| 01:14.58 | netdaemon | ooo |
| 01:15.03 | netdaemon | xfce looks very nice now =) |
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| 01:15.29 | earl3982 | do tcp wrappers come installed by default in debian? |
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| 01:17.52 | abrotman | !info tcpd sarge |
| 01:17.53 | Caelum | earl3982: I believe that inetd or xinetd, as well as portmap all support tcp wrappers in debian... |
| 01:18.00 | dpkg | tcpd: (Wietse Venema's TCP wrapper utilities), section base, is important. Version: 7.6.dbs-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 01:18.04 | abrotman | those ? |
| 01:18.24 | lunitik | abrotman: hmm... I can't find it... I swear I saw such an announcement though... |
| 01:18.58 | abrotman | lunitik: keep looking! |
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| 01:19.45 | lunitik | abrotman: meh... I don't care enough to keep looking :/ |
| 01:20.08 | abrotman | slacker! |
| 01:20.30 | lunitik | abrotman: AM NOT! I hate Slackware almost as much as Gentoo :P |
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| 01:21.22 | pickcoder | lunitik: the press releases at opera.com would have something as ground breaking as open source code |
| 01:21.48 | buu | Hrm. Anyone happen to know if I could make a Sunrich/ST Lab A-340 PCI Express SATA II Controller Card work under teh debian lunix? |
| 01:22.48 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 01:22.48 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
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| 01:23.13 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 01:23.14 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 01:23.56 | DaveyB | Is the a peer guardian equivelant for linux? |
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| 01:27.43 | abrotman | DaveyB: and that would be ? |
| 01:28.30 | DaveyB | abrotman, it's a program that blocks big organisations monitoring what you download through bittorrent |
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| 01:29.01 | abrotman | i guess you want tor or privoxy ? |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman | oh . not privoxy |
| 01:29.17 | abrotman | !tor |
| 01:29.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
| 01:29.55 | DaveyB | abrotman, thankyou I will readup on it |
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| 01:30.21 | abrotman | DaveyB: be aware .. tor says it will not guarantee anonymity |
| 01:31.20 | robin__sz | meep? |
| 01:32.43 | abrotman | !meep |
| 01:32.44 | dpkg | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/meepcam.jpg |
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| 01:39.30 | coranz | hi, my /etc/init.d/networking seems doesn't work, I have to use ifconfig manually |
| 01:39.58 | abrotman | pcmcia ? |
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| 01:40.28 | coranz | ether |
| 01:42.07 | psychonate | Tor is concerned with TCP. What about UDP? Do these not have headers like TCP streams do? |
| 01:42.23 | psychonate | (I know little of such things.) |
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| 01:44.25 | amphi | psychonate: of course udp has headers, but it's connectionless |
| 01:45.25 | Caelum | coranz: do you have auto eth0 in your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 01:47.08 | abrotman | psychonate: the website should cover that |
| 01:47.42 | psychonate | abrotman, very briefly |
| 01:47.49 | psychonate | abrotman, I assume you meant the tor site |
| 01:48.01 | psychonate | abrotman, I'll read more about it sometime |
| 01:48.50 | netdaemon | any of you guys running etch-amd64? |
| 01:48.51 | coranz | Caelum: thanks a lot |
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| 01:52.42 | abrotman | netdaemon: why? |
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| 01:54.27 | netdaemon | i wants a clean way to install nvidia, and its not being friendly about that =) |
| 01:55.14 | Caelum | any zsh wizards? I did something to my completion settings so that now when I hit esc-/ (to search history) it tells me: zsh: do you wish to see all 1030 possibilities... |
| 01:55.17 | asg | netdaemon: #debian-amd64 would e a good start |
| 01:55.24 | asg | Caelum: #zsh has plenty of them |
| 01:55.31 | Caelum | asg: ah, thank you :) |
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| 02:02.28 | psychonate | Hmm, my performance with tor is... snail-like |
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| 02:03.17 | Caelum | I tried building gnat-4.1 but it has gnat-4.1 in its build-deps, is that normal? |
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| 02:03.39 | eps | how do you mount a swap partition? |
| 02:03.47 | abrotman | psychonate: depends on the number of nodes you hop .. and the bandwidth of those nodes |
| 02:04.14 | Caelum | eps: swapon -a |
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| 02:04.54 | eps | thanks Caelum :) |
| 02:05.11 | psychonate | abrotman, I understand that much. But I'm not sure I could stand to use something like tor if my performance is going to be rather slow much of the time |
| 02:05.28 | abrotman | psychonate: it will vary .. |
| 02:05.38 | abrotman | there's no guarantee on your bandwidth |
| 02:05.40 | psychonate | abrotman, so far not much |
| 02:05.41 | abrotman | or of the nodes |
| 02:05.48 | Guerin | psychonate: if you can't afford a perrformance hit, you don't need tor |
| 02:06.06 | Guerin | it's not exactly something you use for convenience |
| 02:06.11 | psychonate | Guerin, I don't. I just wanted to play with it |
| 02:06.26 | Gnurdux | eps, you dont MOUNT it |
| 02:06.32 | Gnurdux | but yes swapon -a mounts all the swap on your fstab |
| 02:06.50 | Gnurdux | its like mount -a for swap |
| 02:06.59 | Gnurdux | you can also do swapon <partition> |
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| 02:12.10 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:12.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:12.37 | odla | blah |
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| 02:13.33 | niles | hi guys |
| 02:14.06 | niles | my computer has been crashing a bit frequently. how can i tell what is wrong? |
| 02:14.34 | niles | i noticed it was after i installed blackdown. shit started going down. does black down have a reputation of being unstable? |
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| 02:15.30 | abrotman | blackdown was abandoned .. like .. five years ago |
| 02:15.49 | niles | oh, i guess i should uninstall it |
| 02:15.55 | Caelum | nevertheless, a java VM should not cause your computer to crash |
| 02:16.12 | niles | any app should cause my computer to crash right? |
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| 02:16.21 | niles | what could i grep for in dmesg? |
| 02:16.35 | pinky | Are there really no Nintendo 64 emulators in the Debian package repositories? |
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| 02:16.47 | Caelum | if your hardware is working properly, is fully supported and you are using a stable kernel your computer should not be crashing |
| 02:16.48 | abrotman | pinky: apt-cache search nintendo |
| 02:17.16 | abrotman | pinky: i don't see one |
| 02:17.20 | niles | Caelum: well all my hardware does is sit in the box. how can i confirm it is supported. |
| 02:17.33 | niles | it's not like it's a lap top that i bang around |
| 02:17.50 | pinky | That's most certainly unfortunate. =[ |
| 02:18.17 | abrotman | pinky: i don't even see one at freshmeat |
| 02:18.26 | Caelum | niles: check your logs, run memtest86 and badblocks, see if your computer survives make -j3 on the linux kernel |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | niles: does it normally happen when doing something in particular ? |
| 02:19.49 | niles | abrotman: well when i come back to my pc after being away, it's down. |
| 02:20.04 | niles | what logs are there to check? |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | niles: oh wait .. it crashes? or logs you out of X ? |
| 02:21.18 | niles | it's just a black screen, and nmap cannot see it from an other PC on the same subnet when i do nmap -sP <subnet) |
| 02:21.20 | odla | why does it seem to take gnome releases longer to move into unstable than kde releases? |
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| 02:21.29 | niles | so in otherwords it crashes |
| 02:22.04 | abrotman | niles: which video card ? |
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| 02:22.20 | niles | ATI, but it is installed correctly thanx to tarzeau's script |
| 02:22.28 | niles | i can see it in lsmod |
| 02:22.38 | niles | fglrx that is |
| 02:23.00 | abrotman | niles: maybe try to disable screensavers or dpms ? |
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| 02:23.22 | niles | dpm's ? |
| 02:23.34 | niles | well i do notice, it's after the screen saver has been up for a while |
| 02:23.42 | Caelum | fglrx can crash your machine |
| 02:23.51 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 02:23.52 | dpkg | well, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 02:23.54 | niles | damn. even if installed correctly? |
| 02:24.14 | Caelum | I've had crashes with it |
| 02:24.18 | Caelum | so have others |
| 02:24.22 | niles | oh |
| 02:24.30 | niles | ATI must really suck. |
| 02:24.37 | Caelum | you could try the xorg radeon driver for a while to see if that's the problem |
| 02:24.49 | SerajewelKS | is a "Pentium III (Coppermine)" 686? |
| 02:25.10 | Caelum | everything starting from a ppro is a 686, afaik |
| 02:25.21 | niles | Caelum: has this xorg radeon driver, spared you from crashes ? |
| 02:25.22 | SerajewelKS | okay i thought something like that, thanks |
| 02:25.27 | Caelum | niles: yup |
| 02:25.49 | niles | cool, i'll google for that thanx |
| 02:25.56 | niles | !fglrx outa suggest that |
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| 02:26.50 | Caelum | niles: it even plays games, though perhaps not quite as fast as fglrx. It's certainly enough for GL screensavers |
| 02:27.13 | niles | well i play UT2004 |
| 02:27.13 | Caelum | niles: just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 02:27.40 | niles | can it support UT2004 and cedega games ? |
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| 02:29.43 | Caelum | I think so, but it might be slower |
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| 02:32.36 | Guerin | if you're serious about gaming, windows is the only platform for you |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | PS2! |
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| 02:33.01 | Guerin | just like if you're serious about racing cars you need to not be driving your clapped-out mazda familia |
| 02:33.26 | seb-- | debian can't find wifi dhcp server after dist-upgrade...any ideas? |
| 02:34.23 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 02:34.23 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of three-legged oxen. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 02:35.25 | seb-- | Guerin: that didn't debug it |
| 02:36.01 | Guerin | seb--: my first suggestion is that you investigate it yourself, rather than making up guess what might have changed. |
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| 02:37.00 | seb-- | Guerin: investigate what?....dhcp can't find server and i got NO error messgs in /var/log/messages? What/where else can i investigate? |
| 02:37.30 | Guerin | seb--: you could see if the interface is coming up manually. |
| 02:37.55 | Guerin | seb--: i mean, hell. If *you* can't be borthered thinking about what the matter might be, why should *we*? |
| 02:38.16 | seb-- | Guerin: i have......ifup eth0 does same thing |
| 02:38.27 | Guerin | seb--: so bring it up without using dhcp |
| 02:38.36 | Guerin | MANUALLY |
| 02:38.42 | seb-- | Guerin: you mean set static ip? |
| 02:38.55 | Guerin | seb--: ifconfig eth0 up ip.add.re.ss |
| 02:38.55 | seb-- | Guerin: hey that *is* a good idea..... |
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| 02:39.09 | niles | i dont run windows. |
| 02:39.11 | seb-- | Guerin: (yes i'm new to wifi :) |
| 02:39.11 | niles | but oh well |
| 02:39.20 | niles | id rather purchase an nVida than install windows |
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| 02:39.32 | Guerin | niles: why? nvidia aren't much better. |
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| 02:39.48 | niles | Guerin: i hear the drivers are more stable. no? |
| 02:39.50 | Guerin | niles: it's all non-free and braindead, and nvidia will give you arguably more trouble |
| 02:40.01 | Guerin | niles: i don't really care about the drivers. |
| 02:40.03 | niles | is that so. |
| 02:40.10 | niles | well my PC is crashing. |
| 02:40.22 | Guerin | drive it more carefully |
| 02:40.25 | niles | i dont know if you tuned in onthe prior convo |
| 02:40.31 | Guerin | nope |
| 02:40.32 | niles | ? |
| 02:40.41 | niles | yea |
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| 02:46.14 | exobyte | anyone with first-hand expierence on vmware server vs. qemu? |
| 02:46.49 | exobyte | specifically, comparisons and recomendation |
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| 02:50.07 | abrotman | one starts with a q ... the other with a v |
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| 02:50.51 | FernandoMM | Hello, whenever firefox enter on a site with flash it closes without showing anything, how can i fix this? |
| 02:50.55 | FernandoMM | i'm on debian etch |
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| 02:51.16 | exobyte | abrotman: hmm... |
| 02:51.33 | abrotman | exobyte: qemu is not super fast .. |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | exobyte: it does have a non-free accelerator though |
| 02:52.01 | kmu | i've been happy running xp inside vmware |
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| 02:53.56 | Guerin | FernandoMM: don't use flash -> problem solved |
| 02:54.09 | Guerin | FernandoMM: seriously, flash on linux is completely fucked up |
| 02:54.18 | Guerin | and not in the good way |
| 02:54.28 | FernandoMM | Guerin: so i should use another os to view site that use flash? |
| 02:54.36 | FernandoMM | this is kind of stupid, isn't it? |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | FernandoMM: try another browser |
| 02:54.48 | Guerin | FernandoMM: that's what adboe apparently want |
| 02:55.03 | Guerin | since they refuse to release non-fucked versions of flash for linux |
| 02:55.05 | exobyte | abrotman: I'm using qemu right now, but with acceleration, either hdd or network is slow (<1mb/s |
| 02:55.23 | abrotman | exobyte: eh .. for me the netowrk works very well |
| 02:55.28 | Guerin | I just ignore flash entirely |
| 02:56.24 | kmu | FernandoMM: try running xp in a virtual machine |
| 02:56.26 | FernandoMM | just found a doc here saying that this is caused bu the Composite on Xorg |
| 02:56.38 | FernandoMM | kmu: sorry, don't have money to but win xp :/ |
| 02:56.49 | kmu | understood |
| 02:57.07 | exobyte | abrotman: I think it's network. using dd with /dev/zero gets me more like 16mb/s |
| 02:57.15 | exobyte | oops |
| 02:57.16 | exobyte | 1.6 |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | exobyte: my network works great! |
| 02:57.35 | exobyte | abrotman: mine might. I misread |
| 02:59.04 | FernandoMM | kmu: Guerin, abrotman adding export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 on /usr/bin/firefox solved the problem :) |
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| 02:59.13 | abrotman | that just sucks |
| 02:59.22 | danilo | a rsync gui for debian sarge???? |
| 02:59.24 | exobyte | abrotman: 3mb/s on longer transfers, but still |
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| 02:59.38 | abrotman | wait .. 3mb/sec for disk or network ? |
| 02:59.58 | kmu | FernandoMM, that's great! |
| 03:00.15 | Guerin | danilo: debian doesn't have guis for shit like that |
| 03:00.28 | Guerin | FernandoMM: hm, interesting |
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| 03:01.38 | exobyte | abrotman: disk |
| 03:01.51 | exobyte | abrotman: 1 when it's network |
| 03:01.56 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 03:03.28 | exobyte | abrotman: so, uhhh.... could there be a dma problem? |
| 03:03.35 | abrotman | with qemu ? |
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| 03:04.32 | exobyte | abrotman: not sure where |
| 03:04.57 | abrotman | i mean .. i just use qemu to mess around iwth .. so i guess i'm not looking for performance .. but 1mb/sec doesn't seem right |
| 03:05.48 | abrotman | maybe ask #qemu ? |
| 03:05.56 | exobyte | lol. working on that.. |
| 03:06.10 | exobyte | just figured I'd check to see if installing vmware is worth my time |
| 03:06.20 | abrotman | i can't comment on using vmware |
| 03:07.16 | danilo | Guerin what you use for bakcup? |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | hrm .. icedove is in new queue |
| 03:09.08 | ahlfors | Can I safely assume that no debian package has ever written to /usr/local/lib? |
| 03:11.54 | stoned | sup |
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| 03:17.22 | amphi | ahlfors: yes |
| 03:17.35 | abrotman | has ever? |
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| 03:18.16 | amphi | umm ;) |
| 03:18.29 | ahlfors | amphi, good |
| 03:18.41 | abrotman | i meant .. *ever* ? |
| 03:19.02 | abrotman | accidents do happen :) |
| 03:19.36 | amphi | ahlfors: if you find one that has, remonstrate with it ;) |
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| 03:19.52 | SerajewelKS | fusermount: mount failed: Invalid argument |
| 03:19.58 | stoned | remonstrate? |
| 03:20.00 | stoned | is that a word? |
| 03:20.04 | SerajewelKS | i have fuse in the kernel, and /dev/fuse exists |
| 03:20.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:20.08 | stoned | really? |
| 03:20.15 | amphi | stoned: really |
| 03:20.15 | SerajewelKS | and is writable by me. what else could be wrong? |
| 03:20.17 | stoned | you're not just kidding me |
| 03:20.31 | abrotman | stoned: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/remonstrate |
| 03:20.31 | ahlfors | remonstrate \rih-MAHN-strayt; REH-mun-strayt\, intransitive verb: |
| 03:20.32 | ahlfors | 1. To present and urge reasons in opposition to an act, measure, or any course of proceedings -- usually used with 'with'. |
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| 03:21.19 | stoned | word |
| 03:21.30 | amphi | I meant it more in the sense of 'speak to it reprovingly' |
| 03:21.31 | clearance | I disabled write caching and now all my memorying is in use by the disk cache |
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| 03:21.33 | clearance | How can I fix this? |
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| 03:25.45 | black_13 | are there problems with vmware and debian sarge |
| 03:26.01 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
| 03:27.56 | exobyte | I wish I remember which debian version I was using |
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| 03:28.38 | abrotman | look at your sources |
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| 03:28.48 | exobyte | sources? |
| 03:28.55 | abrotman | !sources |
| 03:28.56 | dpkg | methinks sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 03:29.15 | exobyte | abrotman: etch |
| 03:29.53 | abrotman | ok |
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| 03:32.00 | SerajewelKS | if pbuilder is given a .dsc for which an extracted directory already exists, will it use that? |
| 03:32.06 | netdaemon | interesting |
| 03:32.21 | netdaemon | even debian testing still has bittorrent 3.4...when its well above that version o_O |
| 03:32.53 | zinx | netdaemon: maybe the maintainer is busy with other stuff |
| 03:33.16 | abrotman | !bts |
| 03:33.17 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 03:34.33 | netdaemon | not even in unstable =S |
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| 03:36.57 | zinx | netdaemon: then the maintainer gave up on it :D |
| 03:37.05 | netdaemon | nooooez |
| 03:37.09 | netdaemon | not cool |
| 03:37.32 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 03:37.49 | netdaemon | sweet, unstable has an nvidia kernel for amd64, i shall upgrade |
| 03:38.09 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 03:38.09 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 03:38.16 | Daveman | :) |
| 03:38.22 | netdaemon | abrotman: i am well aware of the risks |
| 03:38.31 | netdaemon | i'm bored because testing isn't broken :P |
| 03:39.15 | stew | netdaemon: it is broken, http://bts.turmzimmer.net to help fix it so we can release it and get a new more broken testing |
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| 03:39.50 | abrotman | !flw50 is <reply><netdaemon> sweet, unstable has an nvidia kernel for amd64, i shall upgrade | <abrotman> !sid upgrade | <netdaemon> abrotman: i am well aware of the risks | <netdaemon> i'm bored because testing isn't broken :P |
| 03:39.50 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 03:40.11 | stew | !flw0 |
| 03:40.12 | netdaemon | hrm? |
| 03:40.15 | netdaemon | whats that about |
| 03:40.16 | abrotman | !flw |
| 03:40.16 | netdaemon | lol |
| 03:40.17 | dpkg | it has been said that flw5 is <l3> macs never have problems |
| 03:40.23 | abrotman | !flw |
| 03:40.27 | odla | what's flw stand for? |
| 03:40.32 | wireddd | mythtv is working at last! |
| 03:40.34 | abrotman | famous last words |
| 03:40.37 | stew | famous last words |
| 03:40.40 | odla | ah |
| 03:40.42 | netdaemon | lol |
| 03:40.45 | netdaemon | funny guy :P |
| 03:42.18 | DaveLib | hello i am running sarge i installed it originally with an old mouse ps/2 i think not usb anyway later i got a new usb wheeled mouse i did sudo shutdown -h now unplugged the old mouse plugged in the new usb mouse and rebooted and the new usb mouse was detected and all worked fine |
| 03:43.20 | abrotman | this is bad? |
| 03:43.35 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 03:44.02 | DaveLib | then a couple of days ago i did for the first time since installing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and made 2 changes: colour depth from 16 bits has it had been to 24 bits & i turned off 3 button mouse emulation otherwise i just accepted defaults and made no other changes |
| 03:44.02 | netdaemon | 51% done ;) |
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| 03:44.34 | netdaemon | abrotman: any final words before my box goes boom? |
| 03:44.53 | abrotman | !bless netdaemon |
| 03:44.53 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child netdaemon, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 03:44.59 | odla | netdaemon: are you going from etch -> sid? |
| 03:45.05 | netdaemon | odla: indeed |
| 03:45.09 | odla | ok |
| 03:45.22 | netdaemon | 88%.... |
| 03:45.33 | netdaemon | abrotman: no important data on here, so nothing to loose ;) |
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| 03:45.37 | odla | have fun...of course you have apt-listbugs installed |
| 03:46.01 | abrotman | netdaemon: lose |
| 03:46.08 | odla | he he |
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| 03:46.12 | netdaemon | button stuck.... |
| 03:46.24 | DaveLib | after that thinga most;y worked but some glitches: when i left the computer running with me away i would sometimes find my main window manager fvwm-crystal (that i had compiled myself) would lose the mouse cursor and not respond to mouse clicks or movement |
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| 03:47.07 | DaveLib | the keyboard would still work in the current window so i opened a 2nd fvwm-crystal in a new virtual console with gdmflexiserver |
| 03:47.31 | netdaemon | alright guys, i'll be back in a flash :P |
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| 03:47.47 | DaveLib | my mouse would work fine in the new vt both in the greeter login screen and in the 2nd crystal session |
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| 03:48.07 | DaveLib | but returning to the original vt the mouse was still inactive |
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| 03:48.53 | DaveLib | if i shutdown the Xserver with alt-ctrl-backspace it would fix the problem and i would get a new crystal session in the default vt #7 with the mouse ok |
| 03:49.05 | Guerin | !gafom $1 is <reply> Hey $1, check out the #debian give-a-fuck-o-meter, http://www.igophoto.net/xor/images/_giveahey2qt.gif |
| 03:49.05 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 03:49.27 | DaveLib | this mouse trouble would only arise when i left the computer quiet not during interactive use |
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| 03:49.58 | netdaemon | told you :P |
| 03:50.14 | netdaemon | interesting...gaim 2.0 |
| 03:50.17 | DaveLib | i thought maybe 24 bit colour replacing 16 bits might be stressing my system so i reconfigured back to 16 bits |
| 03:50.37 | DaveLib | but after that i am still repeating the mouse trouble |
| 03:51.28 | DaveLib | i looked up in my X config file geenerated by my reconfigures and it gave the mouse device as /dev/input/mouse |
| 03:51.40 | DaveLib | i have no such file |
| 03:51.53 | DaveLib | but i do have /dev/input/mouse0 |
| 03:52.06 | zinx | /dev/input/mice |
| 03:52.12 | DaveLib | ahh i have that too |
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| 03:52.19 | netdaemon | /dev/psaux |
| 03:52.33 | zinx | /dev/input/mice is the safest, it combines all the mice on the system |
| 03:52.35 | DaveLib | use that netdaemon? |
| 03:52.41 | zinx | netdaemon: /dev/psaux is deprecated |
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| 03:52.48 | netdaemon | zinx: but its still there ;) |
| 03:52.58 | zinx | netdaemon: do you know what deprecated means? |
| 03:53.01 | netdaemon | i do |
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| 03:53.12 | netdaemon | if i remember correctly, apt-get is depricated |
| 03:53.17 | Guerin | sure is |
| 03:53.17 | netdaemon | in favor of apitude |
| 03:53.18 | zinx | netdameon: you don't |
| 03:53.24 | netdaemon | aptitude |
| 03:53.24 | DaveLib | so should i manually edit the x config file changing /dev/input/mouse to /dev/input/mice? |
| 03:53.41 | Guerin | there are a few things apt-get still does which aptitude doesn't |
| 03:53.42 | zinx | i don't think aptitude has reached that status quite yet :D |
| 03:53.58 | Guerin | like build-dep |
| 03:54.00 | netdaemon | i'v been using it for a while, i kinda like it =) |
| 03:54.06 | zinx | DaveLib: or reconfigure it selecting /dev/input/mice instead |
| 03:54.34 | netdaemon | i like debian "unstable" so far |
| 03:54.46 | Guerin | netdaemon: you better hope it likes you |
| 03:54.51 | DaveLib | actually that /dev/input/mouse in my x config file i remember that from the reconfiguring of the server ahh ok zinx yes that was in the reconfig and the reconfig gave me default /dev/input/mouse and i just accepted that |
| 03:54.55 | lucia | who can used directfb...? |
| 03:54.56 | lucia | http://pastebin.ca/202102 |
| 03:55.00 | netdaemon | Guerin: hehe, time to have fun =) |
| 03:55.03 | lucia | have a problem.. |
| 03:55.08 | lucia | somebody help me :( |
| 03:55.12 | enyawix | 3d support any time soon? |
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| 03:55.13 | DaveLib | ok so just reconfigure to /dev/input/mice |
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| 03:55.26 | Guerin | enyawix: complain to ati and nvidia |
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| 03:55.39 | man_in_ltop | is there an easy way to get evince to embed itself in gecko browsers when a pdf is accessed? |
| 03:55.52 | zinx | DaveLib: it should be /dev/input/mice .. i don't know what's causing your problem though; it shouldn't ever have mouse input if the device is wrong |
| 03:56.11 | enyawix | Guerin: why it works in other distro |
| 03:56.23 | DaveLib | yeah my mouse is working for a while and then it messes up |
| 03:56.33 | abrotman | falls off the wheel ? |
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| 03:56.47 | zinx | DaveLib: i think the most likely cause is some program grabbing the mouse, but i don't know which it would be |
| 03:56.58 | Guerin | enyawix: disfferent distros are different |
| 03:57.04 | zinx | and i need sleep :/ |
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| 03:59.23 | odla | man_in_ltop: i don't know about evince but you can get a plugin for that evil acroread |
| 04:00.25 | enyawix | acroread evil? |
| 04:01.36 | odla | looks like netdaemon's luck has run out :/ |
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| 04:02.12 | odla | !vrms |
| 04:02.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... apt-get install vrms |
| 04:02.39 | man_in_ltop | mozplugger works beautifully |
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| 04:02.44 | man_in_ltop | odla, for reference, mozplugger |
| 04:02.52 | odla | man_in_ltop: cool |
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| 04:03.03 | man_in_ltop | was the closest i could find in apt to an acroread plugin 8) |
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| 04:03.51 | netdaemon | ahhh much better |
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| 04:04.28 | netdaemon | well everything works, now lets hope it stays that way =) |
| 04:04.40 | odla | netdaemon: just don't run apt-get update ever again |
| 04:04.48 | netdaemon | o_O |
| 04:04.50 | odla | and apt-get upgrade |
| 04:04.54 | netdaemon | bah |
| 04:05.17 | netdaemon | i'll just check bugreports beforehand on the specific packages getting upgraded ={ |
| 04:05.43 | odla | if bugs have been reported :) |
| 04:05.50 | netdaemon | true true |
| 04:05.51 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 04:06.38 | intx | anyone know how to compile additional modules after the kernel has been compiled? |
| 04:06.58 | netdaemon | module-assistant, or modconf |
| 04:07.04 | netdaemon | or both |
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| 04:12.13 | intx | any idea how to compile the module on another system? :P |
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| 04:14.12 | tonyrad | I'm currently having a small problem with my mail server. I checked my log files and inside of /var/log/mainlog I have a error of "message is frozen" I have no idea what to do.. Help? |
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| 04:16.24 | Guerin | tonyrad: warm it up |
| 04:16.45 | tonyrad | Ha, I wish that would fix it... It's fucking cold around here |
| 04:18.22 | Guerin | is google your friend? |
| 04:18.46 | tonyrad | I only got a couple hits.. Most of which said... "Google it" |
| 04:19.02 | Guerin | funny, I get 741 |
| 04:19.43 | tonyrad | I don't typically use normal google for linux issues... google.com/linux only gives me 55 |
| 04:19.59 | Guerin | this is not a linux issue |
| 04:20.09 | tonyrad | I guess |
| 04:20.17 | Guerin | it's a mail server issue, and they run on all unices |
| 04:20.37 | tonyrad | Yeah.. I was thinking along the lines of exim though |
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| 04:21.50 | Guerin | http://www.exim.org/pipermail/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20010423/025831.html # reply to hit #1 on "message is frozen" exim |
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| 04:24.35 | timalot | hi, anyone know how to set the terminal font back to normal ... after it goes all to symbols? |
| 04:25.12 | c0rt3z | timalot, like after you displayed a binary or something? |
| 04:25.22 | tonyrad | To hit #1? |
| 04:25.22 | Guerin | ctrl-l |
| 04:25.28 | timalot | c0rt3z: right |
| 04:25.31 | amphi | timalot: try ctrl-v ctrl-o [enter] |
| 04:25.48 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 04:25.51 | Guerin | |
| 04:25.52 | timalot | amphi: thanx |
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| 04:26.11 | timalot | amphi: where did u read how to do that? |
| 04:26.17 | Guerin | tonyrad: the first hit returned by google |
| 04:26.29 | amphi | timalot: it's intuitive ;) |
| 04:26.59 | amphi | timalot: I forget, some howto or SAG or something on tldp.org IIRC |
| 04:27.50 | tonyrad | Ah, yeah, I'm on that site |
| 04:28.11 | amphi | timalot: FWIW, ctrl-v ctrl-n [enter] will get the garbage back |
| 04:28.57 | timalot | amphi: cool ... a boss key... when i am looking at ascii pr0n :) |
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| 04:28.59 | tonyrad | It doesn't really help much though |
| 04:29.35 | c0rt3z | could save from that embarrasment though... ascII pron |
| 04:31.05 | amphi | timalot: BTW, it only affects stuff written after the control char... |
| 04:32.04 | timalot | amphi: yeah , the main reason is after u have set up a bit of the environment etc... and then the font goes... u dont want to have to restart |
| 04:32.12 | timalot | so thats cool |
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| 05:00.27 | Fossilet | hello |
| 05:00.58 | Fossilet | i right click on a link in xchat, click on open in browser, only the browser jumps out |
| 05:01.15 | Fossilet | the page is not loaded. why? I use gnome in testing |
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| 05:03.12 | craigevil | Fossilet try setting it so the broswer option looks similiar to> iceweasel '%u' |
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| 05:04.24 | Fossilet | craigevil: yes, it's firefox %s. but it works in gnome-terminal. |
| 05:06.01 | craigevil | if i use %s it opens Firfox to the default search page |
| 05:06.01 | Fossilet | even if i set it to konqueror, xchat pops up a firefox window. |
| 05:06.04 | Fossilet | seems xchat do not know the default browser of gnome. |
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| 05:07.17 | Fossilet | %u doesn't work either |
| 05:07.53 | niles | anyone here use KDE? what are the key strokes to toggle between workspaces? |
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| 05:08.28 | niles | im new to kde. how can I change what the default keystrokes are. to match gnomes (being crtl alt - arrow) |
| 05:08.55 | grepper | niles: ctrl-tab , but you can find out for yourself |
| 05:09.03 | Fossilet | niles: kcontrol |
| 05:09.18 | niles | kcontrol ehh? thanx pal |
| 05:09.40 | grepper | niles: control centre -> regional and accessability->keyboard shortcuts |
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| 05:17.19 | hearsay | I've seen it several times now: when I boot the computer the mouse does not work. init 6 brings it to work, but Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't. Any hints? |
| 05:18.00 | hearsay | there's no warning or error concerning the mouse in Xorg.0.log |
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| 05:30.10 | netdaemon | anyone know if the ati mobility radeon x1400 is linux compatible? |
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| 05:43.51 | SerajewelKS | i just installed a backport of xen on a sarge system. when i reboot into it, the last line i see is "(XEN) Xen trace buffers: disabled" and then the box reboots itself. why would this be happening? |
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| 05:47.59 | exobyte | is there some command I need to run after I install a library so ldd sees it? |
| 05:48.37 | tralala | exobyte: if it's a debian package, no |
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| 05:49.04 | exobyte | tralala: I wonder what vmware's thinking.... |
| 05:50.09 | gpm | hi all...when i insert a cd gnome-volume-manager autmounts it, but nautilus doesn't show it on the desktop...in fact my external hd is the only thing that shows up when it's automounted...why? |
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| 05:57.26 | SerajewelKS | exit |
| 05:57.28 | SerajewelKS | oops |
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| 05:59.00 | ctl | does anyone know if there's a packaged debian installer which uses a 2.6.18 kernel for amd64? |
| 05:59.24 | ctl | or equally as good, documentation which explains how to figure this out short of burning every installer I can find and booting it? :) |
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| 06:00.16 | stew | ctl: there a 2.6.16 installers for either stable or testing, or you have to create your own |
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| 06:01.01 | stew | ctl: "/msg dpkg stable 2.6.16" "/msg dpkg etch" "/msg dpkg custom d-i" respectively |
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| 06:05.42 | ctl | stew: thanks |
| 06:06.11 | bonez41 | I want to send someone an encrypted email..they publish their pgp key on their website..how do I incorporate their key into my email to them? |
| 06:07.11 | ctl | stew: any idea when the installer will move to a more recent kernel? |
| 06:07.42 | tralala | bonez41: install gpg and read the docs |
| 06:07.45 | stew | ctl: the etch installer will move to a 2.6.18 kernel "RSN" |
| 06:07.50 | Tallu | ctl: in december when etch becomes the new stable |
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| 06:08.17 | blujay | Is there a quick way to use the "date" command to get the date from seven days ago? "date -d yesterday" works, but I can't figure out how to specify seven days ago |
| 06:08.29 | bonez41 | tralala, ok..... |
| 06:08.39 | tralala | blujay: date -d '7 days ago'? |
| 06:08.44 | ctl | heh |
| 06:08.45 | blujay | tralala: tried that :) |
| 06:08.45 | ApTek | blujay: Is this for a manual check or for a script? |
| 06:08.50 | stew | blujay: "1 week ago" |
| 06:08.52 | blujay | ApTek: a script |
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| 06:09.00 | ApTek | blujay: Ahh, nm then. |
| 06:09.04 | blujay | stew: thank you very much! |
| 06:09.09 | tralala | blujay: works fine for me. Did you use qotes? |
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| 06:09.30 | ctl | do you guys know if anyone has successfully built a debian installer with a custom kernel for a different architecture than the one that they have working debian systems for? |
| 06:09.30 | blujay | tralala: you're right, I must have done it slightly differently. thanks |
| 06:09.38 | tralala | -bash: you're welcome blujay |
| 06:09.41 | ctl | I've got an amd64 system that I'm trying to install debian on |
| 06:09.44 | tralala | bah |
| 06:09.52 | stew | blujay: and for 2 weeks: date -d "1 fortnight ago" |
| 06:10.07 | blujay | stew: isn't *nix great? :) |
| 06:10.11 | stew | :) |
| 06:10.21 | nadmen | how do I know which package contains "phpize"? |
| 06:10.22 | ctl | but I'm hoping that I can get away with the debian kernel package for amd64 (assuming that it exists) and not have to compile |
| 06:10.25 | stew | its too bad that ".5 fortnights ago" doesn't work |
| 06:10.36 | ctl | is this the sort of thing which stands a reasonable chance of working? |
| 06:10.37 | blujay | nadmen: use apt-file, or dpkg-query -S, or packages.debian.org |
| 06:10.51 | nadmen | blujay, ok, thanks :) |
| 06:11.05 | ybgwon | i'm trying compile mplayer source. |
| 06:11.06 | blujay | nadmen: np..."man dpkg-query" might help too, incase I got it wrong |
| 06:11.13 | blujay | ybgwon: why? |
| 06:11.21 | ybgwon | x264.c:149: error: 'struct <anonymous>' has no member named 'i_rf_constant' |
| 06:11.54 | ybgwon | support for mp4 |
| 06:12.03 | blujay | ybgwon: ah, ok...what version? |
| 06:12.15 | ybgwon | new |
| 06:12.26 | blujay | what compiler? |
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| 06:12.45 | stew | !wayc ybgwon |
| 06:12.45 | dpkg | ybgwon: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 06:12.51 | ybgwon | gcc 4.12 |
| 06:13.08 | blujay | ybgwon: sounds like a bug you should report to mplayer...or Debian, depending on where you got the source |
| 06:13.13 | ybgwon | i want view mp4 file |
| 06:13.27 | ybgwon | oh ! |
| 06:13.29 | stew | blujay: mplayer isn't in debian |
| 06:13.42 | blujay | stew: oh, right...forgot...it should be soon though, I hope |
| 06:13.47 | stew | blujay: not likely |
| 06:13.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:13.55 | Guerin | !mplayer legal saga |
| 06:13.56 | dpkg | Mplayer is currently not in Debian because the legal saga surrounding its codebase has not been concluded. Unfortunately, upstream has not done due diligence with the licensing of their codebase, creating a need for ftpmaster or a representative to audit the codebase before inclusion in Debian. See http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/mplayer.html |
| 06:13.58 | blujay | stew: I use Marillat so I forget it's not on debian.org |
| 06:14.15 | Guerin | get yer viking meadhorns out boys, this is going to be as long as the time Erik sailed off the end of the world |
| 06:14.17 | blujay | Actually if you read the bug reports they say there's not much reason for it not to be included anymore |
| 06:14.21 | stew | actually someone just repackaged it AGAIN trying to get it into debian |
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| 06:14.43 | Guerin | blujay: the ftpmasters appear to still disagree |
| 06:14.52 | blujay | Guerin: really? oh well :| |
| 06:15.14 | stew | mplayer contains code from libdvdcss among other problems |
| 06:15.37 | ybgwon | umm... how can i play mp4 video file debian? |
| 06:15.39 | blujay | heh...yeah...and it'd almost be a shame to cut CSS support out of mplayer |
| 06:15.56 | blujay | ybgwon: use mplayer from marillat, or maybe VLC, or maybe a xine player |
| 06:16.16 | stew | blujay: mplayer doesn't have css support |
| 06:16.23 | stew | blujay: you have to add that separately |
| 06:16.25 | blujay | stew: oh...heh...yeah...you're right |
| 06:16.31 | blujay | stew: I hardly use that so I forget :) |
| 06:16.38 | Kevin` | mplayer has css support if you compile it in.. |
| 06:16.42 | valdyn | ybgwon: almost any movie player should do, you just need libmp4v2-0 |
| 06:16.43 | Kevin` | never had a problem with that |
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| 06:17.18 | blujay | Guerin: see, it wasn't that long :) |
| 06:17.31 | Guerin | heh |
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| 06:17.58 | ybgwon | apt-cache search libmp4v2 |
| 06:18.03 | Guerin | blujay: wait until I tune my lute, then when I start reciting the debian-legal discussions, you might think different |
| 06:18.11 | ybgwon | nothing |
| 06:18.11 | blujay | Guerin: haha |
| 06:18.16 | valdyn | ybgwon: for all i know libmp4 is audio, maybe you mean mpeg4 |
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| 06:18.40 | ybgwon | umm... no |
| 06:18.42 | Guerin | valdyn: mpeg4 is a range of codecs |
| 06:18.59 | valdyn | Guerin: but still something else than mp4 |
| 06:19.04 | Guerin | ybgwon: mp4 can be either audio or video, it describes a content encoding spec |
| 06:19.06 | Guerin | no |
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| 06:19.11 | everything_is_dy | haro |
| 06:19.13 | valdyn | Guerin: ok |
| 06:19.20 | Guerin | mp4 is a legitimate way of calling any mpeg-4 encoded media |
| 06:19.28 | valdyn | ybgwon: apt-cache sarch mp4 |
| 06:19.30 | Guerin | it might be .avi or .mpg, but it's still mpeg-4 |
| 06:19.33 | valdyn | ybgwon: apt-cache search mp4 |
| 06:19.46 | Guerin | regardless, blujay's advice will play it (hopefully) |
| 06:19.49 | ybgwon | i can't find libmp4v2 |
| 06:20.08 | blujay | ybgwon: you probably want !marillat too |
| 06:20.18 | stew | ybgwon: its not in debian |
| 06:20.22 | valdyn | ybgwon: thats not in debian either, see marillat |
| 06:22.21 | ybgwon | do you mean deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main ? |
| 06:23.10 | valdyn | ybgwon: yes |
| 06:23.12 | everything_is_dy | so |
| 06:23.21 | ybgwon | i tried |
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| 06:23.46 | valdyn | ybgwon: tried what? i said libmp4v2-0 |
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| 06:23.52 | ybgwon | but i can't see my mp4 |
| 06:24.02 | Schalken | how come there are 15 cd isos? (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/bt-cd/) |
| 06:24.16 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 06:24.17 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 06:24.28 | ybgwon | valdyn: apt-get install mplayer |
| 06:24.29 | Guerin | Schalken: that's why ↑ because We Got The Big Dicks. |
| 06:24.31 | g333k | Hi, if I want to user vnc server, what do I have to install? I see many vnc servers |
| 06:24.35 | valdyn | ybgwon: never seen a movie with mp4 suffix |
| 06:24.45 | Guerin | valdyn: they exist |
| 06:24.52 | valdyn | ybgwon: guess its possible that you need w32codecs, but i dont know |
| 06:25.25 | Guerin | normally they're x/h263/4, aka 'quicktime' |
| 06:25.25 | odla | wow |
| 06:25.26 | odla | that's some dpkg factoid |
| 06:25.31 | Guerin | ybgwon: what does 'file movie.mp4' say? |
| 06:25.42 | Guerin | odla: actual quote by former DPL |
| 06:25.43 | Schalken | Guerin: ..don't follow, nor do i understand the reference to a phallus |
| 06:25.50 | odla | Guerin: which dpl? |
| 06:25.58 | odla | Guerin: are you a developer? |
| 06:26.07 | Guerin | Schalken: debian is 15 CDs because it's the biggest single free software distribution |
| 06:26.21 | blujay | g333k: have you Googled? |
| 06:26.24 | Guerin | odla: 1. overfiend, aka branden robinson; 2. nowhere near qualified |
| 06:26.33 | odla | Guerin: he he |
| 06:26.43 | Schalken | Guerin: i just want to install 1 cd worth, and any extra software i will download from the repos... |
| 06:26.47 | g333k | blujay, yep |
| 06:26.52 | Guerin | Schalken: go ahead and download cd1 then. |
| 06:26.54 | Schalken | Guerin: you know, like normal |
| 06:27.03 | Schalken | Guerin: okay thanks |
| 06:27.09 | g333k | blujay, I want to know what are the most compatible... from windows to linux and viceversar |
| 06:27.11 | Guerin | Schalken: those extra cds are strictly there for people who think they NEED them all |
| 06:27.14 | blujay | g333k: no offense, but I find it a little hard to believe that Google has nothing about using VLC on Debian :) |
| 06:27.14 | g333k | vicevers* |
| 06:27.30 | g333k | blujay, its VNC |
| 06:27.38 | blujay | g333k: sorry, typo |
| 06:27.41 | Schalken | Guerin: but the first cd contains the most popular/base software? |
| 06:27.55 | odla | Schalken: base system probably and maybe GNOME |
| 06:28.00 | Guerin | Schalken: yes. |
| 06:28.04 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 06:28.04 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo- |
| 06:28.21 | valdyn | Schalken: its sorted by popularity so cd1 might have all you ever need |
| 06:28.30 | odla | Schalken: why not do a netinstall? |
| 06:28.57 | Schalken | odla: i want to be able to use my computer while i am downloading debian |
| 06:29.04 | Schalken | valdyn: cool :D |
| 06:29.26 | odla | Schalken: you could install the base system via the netinstall and then install exactly what you want after |
| 06:29.29 | ybgwon | GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 06:29.43 | stew | ybgwon: /msg dpkg apt-secure ; /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 06:29.44 | odla | ybgwon: do you have the key imported? |
| 06:29.52 | stew | clearly not |
| 06:30.15 | c0rt3z | i imported the key recently |
| 06:30.19 | ybgwon | i'll try |
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| 06:31.04 | odla | !alberta |
| 06:31.04 | dpkg | methinks alberta is Canada's Texas |
| 06:31.23 | odla | me too dpkg |
| 06:32.16 | Guerin | let your hair hang low |
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| 06:32.36 | Guerin | see ... bobby D can be found everywhere |
| 06:32.39 | Guerin | even in dpkg |
| 06:32.45 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 06:32.45 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 06:33.15 | odla | Guerin: robert zimmerman |
| 06:33.51 | Guerin | the world is going to grind to a halt when he dies |
| 06:34.01 | odla | when quinn the eskimo get's here... |
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| 06:34.33 | Guerin | everyone born between 1945 and 1980 are going to take a day off work to drink wine and smoke dope |
| 06:34.39 | ybgwon | -_-;; |
| 06:34.41 | odla | :) |
| 06:34.45 | Schalken | to make a deb package in debian, can i just do './configure; make; check install' ? |
| 06:34.46 | ybgwon | how can i import key? |
| 06:34.56 | peterS | Guerin: something like that |
| 06:34.56 | odla | Guerin: he'll never die |
| 06:34.58 | blujay | Schalken: it's checkinstall, not two words |
| 06:35.02 | Guerin | Schalken: checkinstall -D i believe |
| 06:35.09 | Guerin | Schalken: no need to configure, either |
| 06:35.16 | odla | ybgwon: did you follow dkpg's factoid about marillat key? |
| 06:35.16 | blujay | Schalken: that works quite well (no, you don't need the -D if you have the Debian checkinstall package) |
| 06:35.40 | Schalken | Guerin: why no ./configure? |
| 06:35.47 | ybgwon | odla: what means? |
| 06:35.48 | Guerin | Schalken: checkinstall does it for you |
| 06:35.59 | odla | !tell ybgwon about marillat key |
| 06:36.14 | blujay | Guerin: um...are you sure? I always do $(.configure; make; sudo checkinstal) |
| 06:36.23 | ybgwon | 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 06:36.31 | Schalken | Guerin: so you only need to ./configure if you are going to 'make install'? |
| 06:36.52 | odla | !tell ybgwon about apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 06:36.52 | Guerin | blujay: checkinstall will do it all for you. just sudo checkinstall -D i think |
| 06:37.08 | odla | ybgwon: run that as root |
| 06:37.15 | Guerin | Schalken: IIRC it will configure, build, package and install a program from a source tree |
| 06:37.18 | Guerin | most of the time |
| 06:37.20 | ybgwon | odla: ok |
| 06:37.24 | blujay | Guerin: according to the man page, -D tells it to make a Debian package, instead of an RPM or Slackware package |
| 06:37.28 | odla | i though checkinstall just took the place of make install? |
| 06:37.32 | odla | s though/though |
| 06:37.34 | odla | t |
| 06:37.43 | Guerin | i last used it about six months ago; rtorrent never used to be stable in sid |
| 06:37.48 | blujay | Guerin: checkinstall only monitors the install process, not the configure or build process |
| 06:37.59 | ybgwon | odla: i'm a root and? |
| 06:38.02 | Guerin | blujay: hm, i'm sure that ain't right. |
| 06:38.14 | Guerin | but am not prepared to test it |
| 06:38.34 | blujay | Guerin: check the man page :) and I do use checkinstall regularly, so I am familiar with it :) |
| 06:38.35 | odla | ybgwon: type...gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 06:38.53 | blujay | :) |
| 06:39.18 | odla | !win blujay |
| 06:39.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, blujay! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 06:39.29 | odla | sweet i want that |
| 06:39.30 | blujay | oh...uh...yay... :) |
| 06:39.43 | ybgwon | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; |
| 06:39.43 | blujay | maybe I can sell them on ebay... |
| 06:39.46 | odla | blujay: they make great coasters |
| 06:39.59 | blujay | odla: yeah...I, uh...have a few of those... :) |
| 06:40.09 | odla | blujay: and frisbees for dogs |
| 06:40.17 | blujay | odla: now there's an idea |
| 06:40.20 | blujay | odla: if only I had a dog... |
| 06:40.25 | Guerin | clay pigeons |
| 06:40.33 | blujay | ooh, challenging |
| 06:40.35 | odla | clay pigeons...nice |
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| 06:40.40 | stew | i find that they make crap coasters |
| 06:40.52 | stew | and crap frisbees |
| 06:40.56 | blujay | much more satisfying to blow them out of the sky than to set a drink on them |
| 06:40.57 | odla | or throwing stars at mormons |
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| 06:41.07 | blujay | stew: you have to put a piece of tape over the spindle hole |
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| 06:41.56 | ybgwon | odla: thanks i succeed |
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| 06:42.30 | peterS | I once did cut a wicked-looking throwing star shape out of an AOL CD. well, some spare CD, don't remember if it was AOL. it worked really well, but the teeth tended to break off |
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| 06:42.51 | JoeMauch | where does linux store the nat table? |
| 06:43.08 | teledyn_k | i'm having complete system freezes and think have narrowed down the source |
| 06:43.10 | blujay | peterS: must have been sharp |
| 06:43.25 | stew | teledyn_k: gconf2? |
| 06:43.36 | stew | that's what was doing it for me |
| 06:43.42 | peterS | blujay: yes, quite sharp. it had about 5 teeth, each with one convex and one concave edge |
| 06:43.54 | blujay | peterS: ouch |
| 06:44.01 | stew | JoeMauch: i'm not sure that question makes sense, can you be more specific about what you are after? |
| 06:44.19 | teledyn_k | stew, well, i had the machine booted and no xorg running, not logged in, for several hours. no crash. then i ran startx and it crashed. i use KDE |
| 06:44.42 | stew | teledyn_k: which driver do you use for xorg? |
| 06:44.53 | peterS | blujay: btw, when cutting 2D shapes out of CDs, use large paper scissors, don't try the razor-based solutions like a box cutter |
| 06:44.59 | teledyn_k | stew, prior to that, it would be running and just randomly seem to crash in the middle of anything with no apparent connection to any app |
| 06:45.05 | blujay | peterS: good advice :) |
| 06:45.18 | peterS | they don't cut through plastic that thick easily at all. large paper scissors work fine. |
| 06:45.41 | stew | teledyn_k: check syslog, see if you see gconf spouting stuff right before you see syslog starting up at the next boot |
| 06:45.51 | teledyn_k | stew, here's the thing - i norally use nvidia. after the crashes started i downgraded the nvidia driver, which was recently upgraded. no effect. then i switched to the "nv" driver. still no effect. |
| 06:46.15 | teledyn_k | stew, absolutely nothing is syslog. its crashed many times while i had a tail window open |
| 06:46.36 | teledyn_k | stew, the freeze is too sudden i think for anything to get logged. the system just immediately locks up, whatever causes it. |
| 06:46.56 | JoeMauch | stew, i wanna see how big the max nat table entries are |
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| 06:48.54 | blujay | JoeMauch: might be in /proc somewhere |
| 06:49.05 | teledyn_k | stew, looking at last syslog now. see no anamolous entries... |
| 06:49.38 | teledyn_k | my question is, if i downgrade xorg, what exact packages should i get from snapshot.debian.net? |
| 06:50.04 | blujay | teledyn_k: check the depends of xserver-xorg I guess |
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| 06:50.59 | teledyn_k | blujay, ok i'll go by that |
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| 06:53.58 | g333k | !ajva |
| 06:54.01 | g333k | !java |
| 06:54.01 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 06:54.30 | g333k | How to install firefox plugin of java? |
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| 06:56.17 | fooadd | g333k, http://del.icio.us/tag/debian+java+firefox |
| 06:56.35 | stew | g333k: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 06:56.46 | Schalken | what can i use to encrypt a file? |
| 06:56.54 | g333k | !java-package |
| 06:56.54 | dpkg | hmm... java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 06:56.54 | deadcat | Schalken: vim |
| 06:57.20 | Schalken | deadcat: isnt that a text editor? |
| 06:57.22 | fooadd | deadcat, are you for real? *not kidding* |
| 06:57.31 | deadcat | Schalken: it can do that |
| 06:57.34 | deadcat | fooadd: yes |
| 06:57.35 | fooadd | I use encfs |
| 06:58.09 | deadcat | fooadd: too bad vim only uses crypt() default though. |
| 06:58.20 | blujay | Schalken: use gnupg |
| 06:58.28 | fooadd | deadcat, amazing, I'll google for more info ;) |
| 06:58.37 | blujay | Schalken: and there are nice GUI frontends for gnupg, like Kgpg |
| 06:58.50 | teledyn_k | darn, why doesn't network work in my chroot-mounted hda? |
| 06:59.01 | Schalken | blujay: sounds good thanks |
| 07:00.00 | stew | teledyn_k: maybe becuase you need to mount /proc and/or mount /sys |
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| 07:00.25 | Schalken | blujay: and this can encrypt any kind of file such that it is unreadable without a key? |
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| 07:00.55 | blujay | Schalken: gnupg can do just about anything, be sure to read the man page. it can do symmetric encryption, or public-key encryption |
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| 07:01.35 | blujay | symmetric=passphrase, pubkey=keyfile(which can be encrypted with a passphrase) |
| 07:02.24 | Schalken | blujay: is there any relation between GPG and PGP? |
| 07:02.27 | fooadd | deadcat, vim -x foo.txt, this is what I found, is this what you meant? |
| 07:02.55 | blujay | Schalken: GPG is compatible with the OpenPGP standard, and is GPL'ed, while PGP is also compatible, but is proprietary |
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| 07:03.27 | Schalken | blujay: ahhh cool |
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| 07:06.39 | Growly|OMGWTF | esteemed friends, i am in need of some help |
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| 07:07.19 | Growly|OMGWTF | unfortunately my time to play with linux is sincerely reduced, and as a result, things have turned to crap and i'm beyond my depth |
| 07:08.23 | Growly|OMGWTF | so, if /dev/sdb is contantly being dropped from a raid5 array (established and assembled per boot by mdadm), and i suspect hardware failure, but don't, and the drives are making funny noises, then what should i look for in smartctl --all -d ata /dev/sdb ? |
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| 07:09.49 | Growly|OMGWTF | these drives ran at 10 degrees above their rated environmental temperature for a few months, but by installing some fans i have managed to pull that down 20 odd degrees. alas i fear the damage is done. |
| 07:11.37 | ybgwon | All thanks. I'm going home. |
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| 07:15.10 | teledyn | if this doesn't work i'll try downgrading kde stuff next |
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| 07:15.36 | deadcat | whats the perm on your /dev/console? mine is 0600.. i think it was diff before |
| 07:15.51 | deadcat | fooadd: ya -x or just :X inside a file |
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| 07:16.10 | teledyn | crw |
| 07:16.24 | fooadd | deadcat, I see, thanks for the info :) |
| 07:16.28 | teledyn | 600 |
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| 07:23.08 | deadcat | wtf. my nic card on my ibook is setting to eth1, i want eth0, i think the eth0 goes to the firewire device.. how do i map that? without using ifrename |
| 07:23.53 | valdyn | deadcat: on sid or etch? |
| 07:24.16 | valdyn | deadcat: is udev installed? |
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| 07:25.19 | deadcat | valdyn: sid, udev |
| 07:25.37 | deadcat | it used to be eth0. since i remove the firewire modules in /etc/modules |
| 07:25.55 | valdyn | deadcat: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules if that exists |
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| 07:27.00 | deadcat | valdyn: k |
| 07:27.27 | deadcat | valdyn: ah. thanks |
| 07:28.18 | deadcat | valdyn: bingo. love you baby (= |
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| 07:41.53 | Growly|OMGWTF | !dpkg some linux program that uber analyses my hard drive for errorssss |
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| 07:42.20 | Kevin` | Growly|OMGWTF smartctl |
| 07:42.29 | Growly|OMGWTF | i have that |
| 07:42.33 | Growly|OMGWTF | (lol) |
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| 07:42.55 | Growly|OMGWTF | before i plunge into man, doesn't it just extract smart data as opposed to doing its own scans? |
| 07:42.57 | rcc | I just upgraded from sarge to etch. I'm getting untrusted package warnings when installing packages, how do i fix that? I alread installed debian-archive-keyring and gnupg. |
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| 07:43.58 | cydork | !2006 key |
| 07:43.58 | dpkg | it has been said that 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 07:45.02 | rcc | I have apt 0.6.46 |
| 07:45.14 | rcc | and I can |
| 07:45.21 | rcc | I can't run that command. |
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| 07:45.29 | rcc | no way to copy paste it |
| 07:45.41 | cydork | rcc, why not? |
| 07:45.43 | rcc | unless you know how to save BitchX's buffer. |
| 07:45.50 | rcc | I have no mouse. |
| 07:46.41 | rcc | and why don't i simply already have the key? |
| 07:47.22 | rcc | I have the requsit version of apt. |
| 07:47.38 | cydork | rcc, might be becuase you dist-upgraded |
| 07:48.09 | rcc | so how do i fix it? |
| 07:48.25 | rcc | Is this a known bug? |
| 07:50.15 | cydork | rcc, dont think it's a bug. but for now you can ignore it. and install gpm or screen so you can copy that command |
| 07:50.26 | dark_light | anyone here uses serpentine? |
| 07:50.34 | rcc | I have the key! |
| 07:50.41 | rcc | apt-key list |
| 07:50.44 | rcc | shows that key id |
| 07:50.56 | rcc | 2D230C5F |
| 07:51.09 | rcc | do i need to modify my sources.list? |
| 07:51.20 | LoneWlf | I say... do you have the lock, tho? |
| 07:51.47 | rcc | LoneWlf: talking to me? |
| 07:52.22 | cydork | rcc, nope |
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| 07:52.54 | rcc | I'll deal with this later |
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| 07:54.01 | tralala | in xen does only dom0 have accelerated access to the gpu? |
| 07:54.24 | stelki | How would I install mysql-server-4.0 on etch, when all there is in apt is 5.0? |
| 07:54.26 | ctl | I don't suppose that anyone knows of someone who's built a 2.6.18 based debian installer for amd64? |
| 07:55.32 | tralala | stelki: why do you want to install 4.0? |
| 07:55.34 | stelki | tralala: because the programme im using only seems to support it |
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| 07:58.59 | teledyn | hello. crash test #10... downgrade of X stuff didn't help. was about to downgrade some kde stuff and noticed that it was pulling the packages from nerim.net not snapshot.debian.net |
| 07:59.01 | tralala | stelki: perhaps you can get away with sdn but it's probably better to use sarge with mysql 4.1 |
| 07:59.10 | cydork | !downgrade |
| 07:59.11 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 07:59.30 | teledyn | when i removed nerim from sources.list it says it can't downgrade because they're not available! |
| 07:59.44 | stelki | :| |
| 08:00.22 | stelki | lamo |
| 08:00.28 | teledyn | anyhow, now i'm running openbox so will be interesting to see if crash occurs |
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| 08:01.08 | teledyn | actually, when i removed nerim, apt-get says it can't reinstall (not downgrade) because they're not there |
| 08:01.19 | aeronadix | freescale.com is selling gcc? |
| 08:01.32 | aeronadix | wtf |
| 08:01.35 | devi | I just ordered a projector to use at home... Anyone know if a wireless keyboard sililar to ibm thinkpad keyb for full size pcs ? (sorry if this is not the right chan, but debian users tend to have got answers;) |
| 08:01.58 | devi | good even |
| 08:02.10 | teledyn | this whole crashing debacle has also lessened my appreciation for reiserfs. this is the first time since i switched to it months ago that i actually had a lot of crashes and ran a lot of fsck's |
| 08:02.13 | tralala | aeronadix: I'm selling it too. Wanna buy? |
| 08:02.35 | teledyn | its seems to handle crashes/inconsistencies much less smoothly than xfs |
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| 08:04.14 | teledyn | multiple times after crashes it completely refused to boot, saying there were inconsistencies, requiring a rescue disk boot. i remember that with xfs only very very rarely occuring |
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| 08:08.26 | teledyn | then there is the namesys ad saying they'll help you with the fsck for $25 |
| 08:09.06 | teledyn | not exactly what you want to see when you're system's just crashed |
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| 08:10.33 | devi | teledyn, format, reinstall og restore backups.. thats faster than trying to fix a problem you dont know the answer for |
| 08:11.05 | teledyn | devi: i'm keeping my fingers crossed an hoping its kde-related |
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| 08:11.24 | teledyn | devi: but yeah, next step if this persists will be reinstall |
| 08:12.21 | teledyn | devi: i don't really see how the system could just get messed up though, even from a crash. once scenario could be that the fan was clogged (i dusted it out earlier) and was causing overheating and the crashes, which somehow might have messed up some critical files |
| 08:12.37 | devi | teledyn, hehe.. it may be kde ;) You can also mount the disk on a working system er salvage whats intact. But you proba allready know that ;) |
| 08:12.37 | aeronadix | freescale.com is selling gcc, wtf? |
| 08:12.55 | teledyn | devi: but i think the liklihood of that is very rare, don't you? i mean, what is the chance that for example some critical library file could get overwritten just from a system freeze? |
| 08:13.16 | devi | teledyn, Hey.. mr Reiser got busted for killing his wife... no wonder your fs is dead .. |
| 08:13.49 | wols | devi: stop that please |
| 08:13.59 | teledyn | devi: yeah i read that. and i just switched from XFS not too long ago because of the null issue with XFS |
| 08:14.36 | devi | wols, oh.. sorry.. didnt know that was a no-joke subject... very sorry |
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| 08:15.07 | teledyn | it creeps me out. and i'm in the bay area not far from where that happened. if it happened. |
| 08:15.21 | teledyn | seems like they've got good evidence, but that is off-topic i know |
| 08:16.00 | devi | excuse my ignorance, but why is it off-topic ? |
| 08:16.23 | teledyn | meaning irrelevant to this forum. they tend to be pretty picky about things being debian-related here |
| 08:16.29 | teledyn | understandably |
| 08:16.32 | devi | innocent til proven guild thing ? |
| 08:17.04 | devi | ahh. of course |
| 08:17.12 | teledyn | they basically found a bloody sleeping bag in his house, blood in his car, and the back seat of the car is missing |
| 08:17.21 | dondelelcaro | teledyn: front seat. |
| 08:17.53 | dondelelcaro | although, they haven't provided that information to the defence yet, so it's kind of a bit prematures. |
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| 08:18.33 | devi | anyone know of a thinkpad-like keyboard for fullsize pcs ? |
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| 08:18.43 | teledyn | woohoo up 34 min and no crash. guys if you say something to me and i don't respond for 10 minutes, you know why |
| 08:19.16 | teledyn | devi: you mean with a trackpoint? ibm sells trackpoint ones. |
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| 08:20.35 | teledyn | the older versions have no ultravav touchpad crap, but unfortunately lack a 3rd button |
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| 08:21.56 | devi | teledyn, ahh.. tnkx. I didnt think of that.. just gone through all the logitechs :( |
| 08:22.14 | aeronadix | freescale.com is selling gcc, wtf? |
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| 08:22.34 | aeronadix | How come no one cares? |
| 08:22.46 | Bushmills | aeronadix: selling gpl stuff is legal |
| 08:22.48 | teledyn | why should we? |
| 08:22.57 | Bushmills | aeronadix: as long as the sources are available |
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| 08:23.05 | teledyn | exactly, if some people want to pay, good for them |
| 08:23.20 | Bushmills | aeronadix: read the GPL |
| 08:23.22 | SubStack | but with gcc |
| 08:23.28 | SubStack | how are you going to compile the source? |
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| 08:24.01 | devi | hmm.. use a older version of gcc ? |
| 08:24.06 | stophe | hello |
| 08:24.54 | crazy_penguin | Good morning to all! |
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| 08:25.31 | aeronadix | Bushmills, oh |
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| 08:27.35 | ma3x | how do I add rss headlines to firefox? I tried, but it adds it only as one single bookmark |
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| 08:30.15 | teledyn | 46 min no crash |
| 08:31.15 | ma3x | teledyn: your system or what? |
| 08:31.52 | teledyn | ma3x: yeah i've been having nasty system freezes all day |
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| 08:32.07 | teledyn | ma3x: keep trying out different things to elimate |
| 08:32.07 | ma3x | teledyn: winxp? |
| 08:32.15 | devi | teledyn, please try; find / >>/dev/null |
| 08:32.17 | devi | ;) |
| 08:32.18 | teledyn | ma3x: hehe |
| 08:32.55 | ma3x | teledyn: paste your the output of dmesg somewhere |
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| 08:33.04 | devi | ma3x, thats an insult |
| 08:33.19 | teledyn | ma3x: there's nothing in logs. |
| 08:33.40 | teledyn | ma3x: maybe related to most recent kde upgrade |
| 08:33.48 | devi | teledyn, have you checked the smart-system on the drive ? |
| 08:34.31 | devi | teledyn, smartctl --all /dev/hda |
| 08:34.37 | teledyn | devi: smartctl or something? |
| 08:35.05 | teledyn | looks clean |
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| 08:36.36 | devi | teledyn, you may want to make nice graphs of the smart values to see possible failures... Try the munin package |
| 08:37.36 | teledyn | devi: cool, i'll check it out |
| 08:38.18 | ma3x | devi: why would his system freeze if the hard drive has problems? it would rather shutdown or reboot or something |
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| 08:40.03 | stophe | bye |
| 08:40.27 | devi | ma3x, if some systemcritical files are damages.. I guess it may freeze.. Its its probably faulty hardware... |
| 08:41.03 | devi | damages filesystemes/files should give you either a pink screen (linux BSOD) or a kernel panic |
| 08:42.07 | devi | If a linux system just freeze, you either have installed something from m$ on it or your hardware is rotting to the core |
| 08:42.37 | Anarka | because linux is bug free |
| 08:42.39 | Anarka | cof cof |
| 08:43.43 | valdyn | ma3x: what appears to you as a freeze may be just a userspace program ( X ) hanging, that's easily possible due to a single file being broken |
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| 08:43.54 | devi | Anarka, stable linux kernels seldom just freeze.. that have to be a devel kernel or something |
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| 08:44.46 | tralala | yep, debian kernels are known to freeze all the time - this is why nobody's using them |
| 08:44.48 | devi | valdyn, Good point |
| 08:45.36 | devi | hey.. about 80% of the fastest supercomputers on the planet use linux kernels... Thats because they work properly |
| 08:46.12 | lopov | hi guys, im using modules-assistant to install the linux-uvc-source but i cannot find it in the select menu... any reason why its not showing up in the list? |
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| 08:46.47 | teledyn_k | looks like i'm having a re-installation party tomorrow :-) |
| 08:47.11 | valdyn | lopov: apt-cache policy linux-uvc-source |
| 08:47.50 | lopov | valdyn, thanks |
| 08:48.45 | karsten | valdyn: Hrm, what's policy do in an apt-cache context? |
| 08:49.02 | karsten | valdyn: Interesting... |
| 08:49.40 | valdyn | lopov: should show you if that package is available.. |
| 08:50.07 | devi | karsten, you cant find your man pages either..? mine are missing too.. |
| 08:50.24 | ma3x | valdyn: but if X freezes, then you should be able to kill it, or log to another tty, right? |
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| 08:50.52 | Bushmills | valdyn: if it is the video driver which cause the crash, no guarantees |
| 08:51.04 | valdyn | ma3x: you cant switch to a different tty then |
| 08:51.19 | valdyn | ma3x: only way would be to login via network or serial console |
| 08:51.33 | valdyn | Bushmills: yes, sure |
| 08:51.39 | ma3x | valdyn: if X freezes, it blocks everything??? |
| 08:52.14 | valdyn | ma3x: X is what controls ctrl-alt-fx, if its frozen it obviously wont switch you to a different tty |
| 08:52.16 | Bushmills | valdyn: in case of event queue problem, i.e. mouse/keyboard, logging in from another machines should work |
| 08:52.38 | insmod | ma3x: yes |
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| 08:53.00 | devi | ma3x, if the gfxcard that X uses "freezes" your in trouble... If just X freezes, just kill it and try again |
| 08:53.16 | ma3x | valdyn: but let's say you have some other programs running into the background ( screen ). or a usb file transfer. they freeze too? |
| 08:53.30 | valdyn | ma3x: no |
| 08:53.49 | insmod | ma3x: ni=o |
| 08:53.53 | insmod | ma3x: no |
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| 08:54.15 | ma3x | last time I got a couple of freezes, 1. the screen got black and nothing responded; case 2. mouse pointer froze, nothing responded |
| 08:54.15 | valdyn | ma3x: in desktop systems you can probably determine if your system is still running by listening to your harddisk |
| 08:54.41 | ma3x | valdyn: in laptops too |
| 08:54.44 | valdyn | ma3x: that means nothing except that X froze, can be the entire system or not |
| 08:54.49 | valdyn | ma3x: sure |
| 08:55.05 | chemaja | i'm trying to build the nvidia legacy kernel module using instructions at wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. I've tried the suggested module-assistant method, and the manual build method for a stock kernel, and both builds seem to be failing with the same error ( http://channels.debian.net/paste/4048 ). There does not exist a pre-built nvidia legacy kernel module for my kernel version (2.6.17-2-686 ). I fear my only reaso |
| 08:55.06 | chemaja | n <chemaja> able option is filing a bug report against module-assistant and plain waiting. help! |
| 08:55.07 | ma3x | valdyn: well last time it froze, hard disk led didn't flash anymore |
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| 08:55.14 | ma3x | valdyn: but the lan led flashed |
| 08:55.15 | valdyn | lopov: m-a a-i linux-uvc might still work |
| 08:55.27 | lopov | valdyn, kk i'll try that |
| 08:55.41 | chemaja | s/reason <chemaja> able/reasonable/ |
| 08:56.07 | insmod | ma3x: that happens with propriatary drivers -- try crtl alt -< crtl alt -> crtl alt F2 F3 etc |
| 08:56.17 | lopov | valdyn, nope just brings me to the modules-assistant main menu |
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| 08:56.37 | ma3x | insmod: I tried switching to the console or killing X, but nothing responded |
| 08:56.54 | insmod | ma3x: propriatary driver? |
| 08:56.59 | ma3x | insmod: at that time I was copying something via usb |
| 08:57.04 | shinobi2 | i am using 1200x800 , but console's text is too big |
| 08:57.10 | valdyn | lopov: hardly, im sure there's a message before the main menu |
| 08:57.12 | ma3x | insmod: ati drivers (the normal ones) |
| 08:57.16 | shinobi2 | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386 root=/dev/sda6 ro vga=788 quiet splash |
| 08:57.24 | ma3x | insmod: the x drivers for ati |
| 08:57.25 | insmod | ma3x: from ati? |
| 08:57.28 | ma3x | from x |
| 08:57.29 | Avochelm | anybody know of a good program to do network diagrams in? |
| 08:57.37 | ma3x | x/xorg |
| 08:57.53 | insmod | ma3x: hmm then try the ati ones |
| 08:57.59 | chemaja | Avochelm, dia? haven't played with it extensively tho |
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| 09:00.06 | ma3x | insmod: I'm not sure if my card is supported. Because if you are talking about the fglrx - it doesn't support my card IGP340M |
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| 09:00.57 | Avochelm | dia is more a drawing program.. i want something that can handle meta information like hwaddr and ip addresses, etc |
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| 09:01.25 | lopov | valdyn, ive read the README.Debian docs and i know that is the fix but for some reason its not working. The only message i get is "Starting the Dialog UI..." |
| 09:02.48 | insmod | ma3x: hmm i am an an nvidia guy -- they all go lol -- i had ati but the fps was so slow i returned it |
| 09:03.55 | ma3x | insmod: yeah, and imagine, I have laptop, no way of getting a new video card |
| 09:04.23 | insmod | ma3x: check before you buy |
| 09:04.49 | valdyn | lopov: works fine for me, run 'm-a a-i linux-uvc' and tell what exactly the output is |
| 09:06.01 | ma3x | insmod: I bought it 3-4 years ago |
| 09:06.01 | insmod | ma3x: then it should go |
| 09:06.01 | insmod | ma3x: even if i hate ati |
| 09:06.14 | lopov | valdyn, ok kewl that works soz |
| 09:06.23 | lopov | valdyn, thanks mate |
| 09:06.30 | ma3x | insmod: why you hate it? |
| 09:06.46 | insmod | ma3x: i once had a trident 4mb and i e-mailed the linux driver the fix and in 4 hours they solved it |
| 09:07.23 | insmod | ma3x: closed and ther drivers have way to low fps to watch movies |
| 09:08.18 | valdyn | pretty weird considering that my radeon 7500 can play hdtv just fine |
| 09:08.26 | ma3x | insmod: hm, ati they're bad on drivers yes |
| 09:08.51 | ma3x | valdyn: you have a tv tuner card? |
| 09:08.59 | insmod | valdyn: they can just the fps is faster with nvidia |
| 09:09.10 | valdyn | ma3x: yea, but i was talking about a recorded hdtv movie |
| 09:09.20 | insmod | valdyn: in not out |
| 09:09.32 | valdyn | insmod: eh? movies are encoded at ~25 fps, no point watching that faster |
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| 09:09.51 | insmod | ma3x: in not out |
| 09:10.02 | insmod | valdyn: i an saying watching |
| 09:10.45 | insmod | valdyn: with desktop etc at least 2000 is needed |
| 09:10.45 | ma3x | insmod: what do you mean exactly? watching a movie is the same thing everywhere with all cards. no? |
| 09:10.58 | valdyn | insmod: 2000 what? |
| 09:11.02 | insmod | ma3x: no |
| 09:11.11 | insmod | valdyn: fps |
| 09:11.22 | valdyn | insmod: 2000 fps WHAT? |
| 09:11.27 | ma3x | what do you need so much? |
| 09:11.33 | ma3x | 25-30 is enough |
| 09:11.39 | insmod | ma3x: no |
| 09:11.51 | insmod | ma3x: on the computer? |
| 09:11.56 | insmod | ma3x: no |
| 09:12.01 | ma3x | insmod: on the computer, yes |
| 09:12.04 | insmod | ma3x: no |
| 09:12.12 | ma3x | I don't understand you then |
| 09:12.42 | insmod | glxgears |
| 09:12.48 | valdyn | insmod: jesus |
| 09:12.54 | ma3x | heh |
| 09:12.54 | valdyn | insmod: glxgears is not a benchmark |
| 09:13.05 | valdyn | insmod: it means _nothing_ |
| 09:13.20 | wols | valdyn: that'w rong. it means "pretty gears turning" |
| 09:13.25 | wols | and it means tht very well |
| 09:13.28 | insmod | valdyn: well my stuff works great -- does yours? |
| 09:13.28 | valdyn | wols: ! |
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| 09:13.43 | insmod | anyway i don't care |
| 09:13.47 | valdyn | insmod: now what does that have to do with glxgears? |
| 09:14.00 | insmod | valdyn: fps |
| 09:14.10 | valdyn | insmod: haha |
| 09:14.14 | valdyn | !troll insmod |
| 09:14.44 | valdyn | guess its good that new glxgears shows no fps by default |
| 09:14.57 | ma3x | valdyn: you're right :) |
| 09:15.17 | ma3x | I mean you can always test your performance by playing ppracer or something... |
| 09:15.19 | insmod | valdyn: do you even know linux -- or are you a win guy> |
| 09:15.31 | insmod | anyway i don't care |
| 09:16.21 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.28 | valdyn | -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 09:16.50 | insmod | strings: '/usr/bin/glxgears': No such file |
| 09:17.21 | insmod | are you 14 or 15? |
| 09:17.24 | valdyn | insmod: yea, that only works with Xorg 7.0 and higher |
| 09:17.24 | insmod | night |
| 09:18.03 | ma3x | hell, what a strange guy |
| 09:18.26 | ma3x | what was he trying to say with his fps? |
| 09:18.35 | ma3x | nvidia is faster than ati or what? no idea |
| 09:18.49 | valdyn | ma3x: that you need at least 2000 glxgears fps for whatever |
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| 09:19.02 | valdyn | ma3x: yea, and that nvidia runs glxgears faster |
| 09:20.00 | ma3x | valdyn: that depends on the video card. you can't say it just like that. there are some ati cards which run faster than nvidia |
| 09:20.09 | ma3x | it depends on the model name, performance |
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| 09:20.19 | valdyn | ma3x: he's right in general i think |
| 09:20.41 | valdyn | ma3x: comparing two cards of the same level, but its silly to care about that number |
| 09:20.42 | ma3x | valdyn: he might have not enabled the 3d acceleration perhaps ;p |
| 09:21.01 | insmod | valdyn: no that it just is faster -- on linux -- i have never run win-- and ya nvididia is 2x as fast |
| 09:21.16 | insmod | anyway i don't care |
| 09:21.27 | ma3x | insmod: a card with the same performance of both nvidia/ati? |
| 09:21.40 | insmod | i baught lots tested them and nvidia always was faster |
| 09:21.44 | valdyn | insmod: what im trying to get through to you is that the glxgears fps means nothing for the programs you really want to use |
| 09:21.51 | wols | he is right cause ati can't write opengl drivers. they're incapable of it |
| 09:22.00 | wols | I wouldn't say it's 2x but it is noticeable |
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| 09:22.18 | insmod | ma3x: that's my point nvidia writes a better drver |
| 09:22.24 | wols | insmod: and with your glxgears remark, you DO show you see it as a benchmark which it is not |
| 09:22.28 | ma3x | insmod: I totally agree |
| 09:22.37 | insmod | valdyn: whatever man |
| 09:22.51 | wols | however, the ati cards are often/usually better in hardware area |
| 09:22.52 | valdyn | wols: yea, i agree, but my crap ati using xorg drivers can perform just as nice using _less_ cpu time than my ( much higher end ) nvidia |
| 09:23.07 | valdyn | wols: but that is not games ) |
| 09:23.16 | wols | valdyn: a higher performing card always needs more cpu... |
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| 09:23.28 | insmod | wols: in a way it is -- in my tests the higher the better it was |
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| 09:23.35 | wols | and no your ati card is not that good. it might be "good enough" for you, but it isn't faster as your nvidia |
| 09:23.40 | valdyn | wols: theoretically, but nvidia use idle waiting for instance for some fps |
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| 09:23.57 | wols | insmod: no, no, no. finally get it through yout thick skull please |
| 09:23.59 | insmod | ma3x: only if you are canadian |
| 09:24.11 | ma3x | insmod: i am |
| 09:24.15 | insmod | ati sucks |
| 09:24.24 | ma3x | ati rules! |
| 09:24.30 | valdyn | wols: so, nvidia card is being faster in plain opengl, but its not being nice to different programs running |
| 09:24.31 | ma3x | it doesn't have the stupid logo at the beginning of X |
| 09:24.49 | wols | the logo can be turned off... |
| 09:24.51 | dutchfish | dies anyone knows if xen 3.0.3 will enter testing soon? |
| 09:24.53 | insmod | ma3x: so atleast it works |
| 09:24.56 | ma3x | wols: where? |
| 09:25.18 | valdyn | dutchfish: are you talking about a specific package? |
| 09:25.35 | valdyn | dutchfish: then you can '/msg dpkg why is <package> not in testing' |
| 09:25.35 | wols | Option "NoLogo" "True" # removes nVidia boot logo |
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| 09:25.36 | ma3x | insmod: my ati card works perfectly. it's just old now and can't play games. otherwise for movies it's just perfect. |
| 09:25.38 | dutchfish | valdyn, yes mainly th enew hypervisor |
| 09:25.40 | insmod | ma3x: i am canadian and i still don't buy it's stock |
| 09:25.49 | valdyn | dutchfish: but if its not even in sid, no idea |
| 09:26.05 | insmod | ma3x: i thaught it froze |
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| 09:26.33 | ma3x | insmod: sometimes it does, which I doubt is because of the video card |
| 09:26.50 | insmod | ma3x: driver |
| 09:27.03 | valdyn | ma3x: you ought to try logging in remotely after X froze, to know more |
| 09:27.29 | ma3x | insmod: but why would it freeze because of the driver, while at that time I'm not doing anything with the card (ie I'm not playing games or something). I'm jut in X |
| 09:27.31 | ma3x | like now |
| 09:27.46 | ma3x | valdyn: I don't have another computer |
| 09:27.47 | valdyn | dutchfish: xen-utils-3.0.3-rc1 is in sid, not even a release.. |
| 09:27.53 | insmod | valdyn: ya you can kill it that way |
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| 09:28.13 | insmod | valdyn: just not the with ati |
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| 09:28.23 | dutchfish | valdyn, yes, i am talking about release candidate 1, 3.0.2 is not |
| 09:28.41 | insmod | ma3x: buggy |
| 09:28.48 | valdyn | dutchfish: so /msg dpkg why is xen-utils-3.0.3-rc1 not in testing |
| 09:28.50 | devonst17 | Yo, Testing is more stable than unstable, right? |
| 09:28.58 | devonst17 | This is my first time installing debian, |
| 09:28.58 | insmod | ma3x: that's why i don't use it |
| 09:29.06 | devonst17 | I've got a friend helping me but he doesn't know |
| 09:29.08 | valdyn | devonst17: you should probably use stable, not testing |
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| 09:29.26 | devonst17 | Say I don't want to use stable |
| 09:29.41 | devonst17 | Testing is more stable than unstable? |
| 09:29.46 | valdyn | devonst17: yes |
| 09:29.48 | insmod | devonst17: yes |
| 09:29.49 | ma3x | insmod: don't say it never occured to you with nvidia |
| 09:29.55 | ma3x | shit happens man |
| 09:30.08 | insmod | devonst17: nope |
| 09:30.19 | valdyn | ma3x: we dont even know yet if you issue has anything to do with X or ATI... |
| 09:30.21 | devonst17 | err |
| 09:30.31 | devonst17 | insmod: you just contradicted yourself |
| 09:30.48 | dutchfish | valdyn, thank you |
| 09:30.51 | ma3x | valdyn: yes, it doesn't have to mean it was the ati card or x |
| 09:31.01 | insmod | devonst17: had nvidia -- happy -- did ati --sad -- back to nvidia |
| 09:31.16 | devonst17 | insmod: ah. |
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| 09:31.19 | insmod | devonst17: how |
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| 09:31.32 | devonst17 | Well, thanks guys |
| 09:31.33 | devonst17 | im out. |
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| 09:31.51 | ma3x | insmod: what made you so sad about ati? glxgears? |
| 09:31.54 | enouf | !confuse everbody |
| 09:31.55 | dpkg | No, where was their pineapple today, everbody? wellies of the monarchy of micronesia with extra ham |
| 09:32.02 | enouf | +y |
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| 09:32.46 | enouf | what's a wellie? |
| 09:33.05 | insmod | devonst17: all my movies where slowe but it was a better card -- my 5 yr old nvidia 32mb was better |
| 09:33.05 | Vilmar | ahh, and again I have a problem, today with ircd-hybrid |
| 09:33.38 | Vilmar | I can't switch off the identd requirement |
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| 09:33.57 | insmod | ma3x: i have used linux 10 yrs and some stuff i stick with |
| 09:34.21 | ma3x | insmod: you say your movies were slower? HD movies? |
| 09:34.42 | insmod | ma3x: HD and all are awsome |
| 09:35.05 | insmod | ma3x: i wrote dvd prog |
| 09:35.30 | ma3x | tell me more about it |
| 09:35.37 | insmod | ma3x: http://home.cogeco.ca/~smacneil1/ |
| 09:38.29 | insmod | ma3x: :) |
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| 09:39.24 | ma3x | insmod: you convert from dvd to different file formats. but how is that important for the nvidia/ati issue? |
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| 09:40.02 | insmod | ma3x: not just that i like movies and nvidia is better |
| 09:40.32 | ma3x | but? |
| 09:40.35 | ma3x | you write programs |
| 09:40.36 | ma3x | cool |
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| 09:40.40 | insmod | ma3x: really i don't care use ati |
| 09:40.44 | rhalff | hi how do I rebuild a source package for amd64 ? I see binary-arch and binary-indep in the debian/rules file |
| 09:40.51 | dark_light | anyone here uses an ATI video card? |
| 09:41.02 | rhalff | when I build the package I just get an -any package. |
| 09:41.19 | ma3x | i have ati video card |
| 09:41.25 | dark_light | i want to know if there are any linux driver that suppors tv capture |
| 09:41.49 | liable | dark_light: read the supports docs on the ati web site |
| 09:42.12 | ma3x | dark_light: you have a tuner card? or svideo in and out? |
| 09:42.39 | dark_light | liable, hmm but what about the open source driver? |
| 09:43.30 | ma3x | liable: I have only svideo out only, so I can't capture anything. and I know there is a tool for ati, but it's only for tv out (atitvout) |
| 09:43.36 | ma3x | dark_light: ^ |
| 09:43.43 | ma3x | liable: :p |
| 09:44.04 | dark_light | ma3x, tuner card? i have an radeon, i think it's 9500 (checking..) with an TV port.. i figured now that it comes with an adapter and i pluged my camera in it, but nothing happened :P .. |
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| 09:44.34 | dark_light | maybe with proper configuration i could see the camera input on my screen but i am unsure |
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| 09:45.46 | dark_light | but if it's possible i would like to try the open source driver too |
| 09:45.58 | ma3x | dark_light: I'm not sure about that, sorry. ati is weak on drivers and stuff like that. But as liable suggested, check the ati website and look if there's some useful info there. or google |
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| 09:48.08 | dutchfish | valdyn, look at this: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kernel@lists.debian.org/msg21084.html |
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| 09:52.26 | Vilmar | anyone could help me in removing the need of identd to connect to ircd-hybrid server? |
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| 09:53.14 | Vilmar | I believe I have configured everything right |
| 09:53.42 | AKX | Heya. What is the iptables rule (command line) to drop all TCP traffic from some IP address or addresses? |
| 09:53.54 | rob | Vilmar: configure ident |
| 09:54.29 | dutchfish | Vilmar, http://lists.ircd-hybrid.org/pipermail/hybrid/2004-December/000404.html |
| 09:54.31 | Vilmar | but I don't want to require it |
| 09:55.12 | Vilmar | dutchfish: I use ircd-hybrid 7.2.2 |
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| 09:58.26 | Guerin | Vilmar: ask in #freenode |
| 09:58.56 | Guerin | Vilmar: i think that ircd was developed in part by asuffield for freenode.net |
| 09:59.12 | Guerin | AKX: man iptables |
| 09:59.20 | Vilmar | thx |
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| 10:00.21 | dutchfish | Vlmar, is your ircd natted then use oidentd |
| 10:00.51 | Vilmar | it's not |
| 10:00.54 | dutchfish | Vilmar, http://www.faqs.org/docs/iptables/explanationofrcfirewall.html |
| 10:01.36 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to change grub's keyboard map to dvorak? |
| 10:01.41 | dutchfish | Vilmar, then i am affraid you have to stick with indentd |
| 10:01.57 | Guerin | !possible |
| 10:01.58 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. Some things are even plausible! You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 10:02.13 | SerajewelKS | !beat Guerin |
| 10:02.14 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: notwithstanding dpkg's comments, I don't know |
| 10:02.16 | Vilmar | dutchfish: why? |
| 10:02.20 | Guerin | noes! |
| 10:02.24 | Guerin | not teh stix0r! |
| 10:02.28 | dutchfish | Vilmar, read my last link |
| 10:03.05 | Vilmar | but I want to allow users not having identd to connect |
| 10:03.15 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: every now and then someone decides it would be a good idea to use dvorak or some other stupid keymap for EVERYTHING |
| 10:03.22 | Guerin | like console logins and stuff |
| 10:03.26 | Vilmar | me being the first of them |
| 10:03.42 | Guerin | this would mean making the choice global |
| 10:03.57 | Guerin | and there's a factoid about that |
| 10:04.01 | Guerin | !system wide |
| 10:04.01 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 10:04.08 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i think this is what i'm after: http://www.dakotacom.net/~donut/programs/grubdvorak/grub-dvorak.lst |
| 10:05.13 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: and if i'm my only user, i'd like to be able to fucking type everywhere |
| 10:06.03 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: you might beget other users, though |
| 10:06.09 | Guerin | then what would THEY do? |
| 10:06.11 | SerajewelKS | if someone has shell the keymap isn't considered anyway |
| 10:06.25 | SerajewelKS | and noone gets within ten feet of this box unless i'm there |
| 10:06.31 | dutchfish | Vilmar, i am not that good on irc daemons but have you tried disable_auth in your config? |
| 10:06.34 | Guerin | so you think |
| 10:06.41 | SerajewelKS | so if they can't type, great, awesome, it will keep them out |
| 10:06.45 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:06.53 | SerajewelKS | not that the password wouldn't anyway |
| 10:06.54 | Guerin | now you're arguing security by obscurity |
| 10:06.59 | Guerin | and not even very good obscurity |
| 10:07.01 | Vilmar | dutchfish: yes |
| 10:07.08 | SerajewelKS | pssh |
| 10:07.10 | Guerin | since it still echos :) |
| 10:07.16 | SerajewelKS | arguing for the sake of it? |
| 10:07.20 | Vilmar | dutchfish: how can I check if the ircd server obeys my ircd.conf file? |
| 10:07.22 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: not the password =) |
| 10:07.32 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: I never argue for the sake of it! How dare you insinuate such a thing! |
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| 10:07.43 | teledyn_k | Guerin: hello. any other ideas what might be causing system freezes before i reinstall tomorrow? |
| 10:07.51 | dutchfish | Vilmar, check your startup scipt |
| 10:07.52 | Guerin | teledyn_k: what have you ruled out? |
| 10:08.10 | dutchfish | Vilmar, mostly they expect the config in /etc/somthing place |
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| 10:08.28 | Guerin | Vilmar: replace it with a file containing the word 'badger' |
| 10:08.29 | dutchfish | Vilmar, uless its overridden by a commandline para |
| 10:08.30 | teledyn_k | Guerin, i've ruled out basically everything including all external hardware, xorg and kde |
| 10:08.32 | Guerin | Vilmar: then restart |
| 10:08.35 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: if someone really really wants to get into this box, i'm sure they can if they have physical access anyway |
| 10:08.49 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: but the keymap makes a great idiot deterrant |
| 10:08.50 | Guerin | teledyn_k: so probably xorg? |
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| 10:09.19 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: like a jar of jelly beans with a mousetrap in |
| 10:09.31 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: only less painful =) |
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| 10:09.56 | teledyn_k | Guerin: maybe. i thought i installed the previous version from snapshot.debian.org but maybe it didn't install |
| 10:10.07 | Vilmar | Guerin: syntax error as, I guess, expected |
| 10:10.11 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: you could write a script so that it lets them into a shell, then after a random time (say 5 seconds) it plays an audio file which says "FUCKING HELL! SOMEONE IT TRYING TO RAPE ME! HELP HELP!" |
| 10:10.18 | Guerin | Vilmar: you have your answer |
| 10:10.29 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i did something like that to my roommate once |
| 10:10.31 | x_link | Hi Guerin and SerajewelKS ! |
| 10:10.33 | Guerin | teledyn_k: it may be some lib fuckup. |
| 10:10.35 | x_link | I just found 3 computers =) |
| 10:10.42 | x_link | One of them had cd burner also =) |
| 10:10.49 | x_link | I will try them out now. |
| 10:10.52 | x_link | brb |
| 10:11.01 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:11.13 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: he was trying to use my box while i was VNC'd to it, saw the mouse moving, and locked it, then started using a text-to-speech program to scold him |
| 10:11.27 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i'm sorry, Dave. |
| 10:11.35 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: he wasn't amused =) |
| 10:11.36 | teledyn_k | Guerin: apt-get installl --reinstall won't install dependencies though will it, if i'm using an older archive source from snapshot.debian.net ? |
| 10:11.49 | Guerin | i used xmessage like that once, but that's not as cool as festival |
| 10:12.02 | Guerin | teledyn_k: not necessarily. |
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| 10:12.10 | Guerin | teledyn_k: what you can do it use a livecd |
| 10:12.22 | teledyn_k | Guerin, i'm on a livecd now :-) |
| 10:12.29 | Guerin | teledyn_k: oh, ok. |
| 10:12.43 | teledyn_k | performing an rsync of the drive in preparation for a complete reformat/reinstall tomorrow |
| 10:12.43 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: ah that's what it was, festival |
| 10:12.43 | Schalken | crap wrong channel |
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| 10:13.06 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i miss the days of net send * |
| 10:13.09 | teledyn_k | Guerin: and also eliminating that it is actually some hardware issue with this laptop, which it seems not to be |
| 10:13.16 | Guerin | teledyn_k: a livecd would be what's called a falsifiable test - if it doesn't work, there's enough extra code that means it isn't necessarily the hardware; but if it DOES work, it's very probably the OS. |
| 10:13.41 | Guerin | teledyn_k: yeah, you're onto it. |
| 10:14.34 | teledyn_k | Guerin: this is a long shot, but it could have been the fact that the fans were incredibly dusty and were causing overheating which lead to the freezes, which caused filesystem corruption. |
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| 10:15.00 | Guerin | really long |
| 10:15.09 | Guerin | the filesystem corruption is also testable |
| 10:15.09 | teledyn_k | Guerin: i had noticed the fans were coming on a lot. i sprayed them out and a ton of dust came out. a few months ago they were so dusty the laptop would not boot. |
| 10:15.16 | SerajewelKS | gah, how would i paste into vim using gpm? (text selected on another vt) |
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| 10:15.24 | SerajewelKS | shift+middlebutton does nada |
| 10:15.32 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: use screen(1) |
| 10:15.47 | teledyn_k | Guerin, well, fsck.reiserfs did find a lot of inconsistencies |
| 10:16.01 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: uhm i use screen... not sure what that has to do with pasting |
| 10:16.16 | Guerin | teledyn_k: but the problem didn't go away? Very likely some magic file got yarbled. |
| 10:16.32 | teledyn_k | Guerin: another issue was that i had had progsreiserfs installed, not reiserfsprogs, which means at boot it never found fsck.reiserfs - not untill i installed the latter |
| 10:16.50 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: screen enables you to c&p most trivially between vts on the same box |
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| 10:17.22 | teledyn_k | Guerin: problem has not gone away. the only time it seemed to was when i booted earlier today and it was left running at a console login prompt for several hours and nothing happened. then later on when i logged in and typed "startx" is promptly froze. |
| 10:17.32 | Guerin | and renders the need to use more than one VT more or less absent |
| 10:17.35 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: ugh, hjkl |
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| 10:17.42 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: dvorak remember? |
| 10:17.51 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: wagh'nagl |
| 10:17.58 | SerajewelKS | ... |
| 10:18.10 | Guerin | !:E |
| 10:18.10 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 10:19.25 | SerajewelKS | i guess i could :set mouse= |
| 10:19.40 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: what has dvorak to do with screen? |
| 10:20.03 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: the copy-paste movement keys are hjkl |
| 10:21.11 | Guerin | or the arrow keys |
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| 10:21.25 | Guerin | which I presume remain in their rightful place under dvorak |
| 10:22.22 | fourat | anyone is using Mozilla thunderbird, i've got a really headache with it ! it wont download mails automaticly, i should click every time on 'get new mails' to check and download new mails :( |
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| 10:23.06 | teledyn_k | fourat, i use fetchmail/procmail/dovecot to deal with my mail |
| 10:23.39 | fourat | teledyn_k, ok thats clear, am dealing with gnome, not console |
| 10:23.45 | teledyn_k | then i can use any mail client i like |
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| 10:24.15 | Guerin | fourat: #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org |
| 10:24.24 | Guerin | fourat: also check the debian BTS |
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| 10:24.35 | fourat | Guerin, BTS ? |
| 10:24.40 | Guerin | !bts |
| 10:24.41 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 10:24.44 | fourat | what's that ? a licence ? :) |
| 10:24.50 | fourat | ahh kay |
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| 10:26.09 | Vilmar | could you try to connect to irc://swidnik180.resetnet.pl/ ? |
| 10:26.15 | Chandu | Hi I want to run the cron job daily morning - I want to execute one script .. How do I do that |
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| 10:28.04 | Guerin | Chandu: man cron |
| 10:28.14 | Guerin | Chandu: hint: look at 'daily' |
| 10:28.23 | Chandu | Gurerin:ok |
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| 10:28.49 | jolly_ | How do I remove auto starts on programs ? |
| 10:29.12 | jolly_ | when the computer restart it starting samba at boot |
| 10:30.22 | Guerin | !services |
| 10:30.22 | dpkg | well, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 10:30.34 | jolly_ | thanks |
| 10:30.35 | jolly_ | :) |
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| 10:38.29 | hburchey | How can I install the suggested packages for a package that is already installed? |
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| 10:41.16 | Anarka | aptitude reinstall -aptitude --with-suggests reinstall package |
| 10:41.17 | Anarka | maybe |
| 10:41.22 | Anarka | erm... |
| 10:41.28 | Anarka | aptitude --with-suggests reinstall package |
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| 10:42.30 | hburchey | I don't think there is a --with-suggests. |
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| 10:42.55 | hburchey | I assume you're talking about --with-recommends, and yes, I already tried that. |
| 10:43.13 | Anarka | have you tryed ? |
| 10:43.14 | hburchey | But it won't pull in recommended deps unless it's a new install. |
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| 10:43.37 | skoobly | how do I force a re-read of /etc/hosts? |
| 10:44.03 | skoobly | forget it, it's me |
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| 10:45.42 | joepa | how does one specify configure options when building debian packages from source? do I need to add something to 'debian/ruels binary' or should I use dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 10:46.00 | valdyn | joepa: edit debian/rules |
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| 10:46.33 | hburchey | Anarka, Yes I tried. |
| 10:47.51 | Anarka | you're right... that option no longer exists |
| 10:48.01 | Anarka | you can install the packages manually |
| 10:48.09 | valdyn | hburchey: why dont you just 'apt-cache show <name> and install the packages manually? |
| 10:48.13 | hburchey | For example I have "g++-4.1" installed, but not it's suggested dep "gcc-4.1-doc" and running "aptitude -sr reinstall g++-4.1" doesn't indicate that it will install the suggested dep. |
| 10:48.13 | enouf | hburchey: what's wrong with apt-get install <pkg1> <pkg2> <pkg3> ... |
| 10:49.18 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 10:49.24 | hburchey | valdyn, I've got lots of packages that don't have their suggested dependencies and I don't want to have to manually install the suggested deps for each of them. |
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| 10:49.36 | HardDisk_WP | anyone for helping a noob to get ruined mysql working again? |
| 10:49.58 | hburchey | HardDisk_WP, I would suggest #mysql. |
| 10:50.02 | enouf | hburchey: suggests is not dependencies |
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| 10:50.28 | HardDisk_WP | hburchey, it is more ruined than mysql...php and apache2 also :-( |
| 10:50.47 | xst | How do I set the default locale on the system to be "en_US.UTF-8" ? |
| 10:50.51 | hburchey | enouf, I'm aware of that. |
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| 10:50.58 | valdyn | !locale |
| 10:50.58 | dpkg | locale is probably something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. <man 7 locale> for real information. |
| 10:51.03 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:51.04 | valdyn | !locales |
| 10:51.04 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
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| 10:51.57 | enouf | hburchey: sounds like you want some <meta-packages> |
| 10:52.01 | xst | thanks |
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| 10:53.52 | hburchey | enouf, I don't think so. I want some way of installing all the suggested packages for every installed package on my system. |
| 10:54.22 | Anarka | xiii |
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| 10:55.05 | gribozavr | hello |
| 10:55.06 | enouf | hburchey: strike two |
| 10:55.19 | gribozavr | i want to set up a debian testing mirror site |
| 10:55.38 | gribozavr | not a cdimage one, but a normal debian/ mirror |
| 10:55.52 | gribozavr | is there a howto or some docs? |
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| 10:56.49 | loiic | Hi there |
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| 10:57.19 | liable | hola |
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| 10:57.38 | loiic | i just installed tightvnc on my sarge box, i was wondering, how can I start the server so that it remains running after i quit my ssh connection? |
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| 10:59.01 | valdyn | loiic: with screen or nohup |
| 10:59.42 | loiic | valdyn: i know screen but i'd don't really want that, as all i dont really want to get the control back later |
| 10:59.48 | loiic | checking nohup |
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| 11:00.28 | loiic | ok thank you very much nohup is what i was looking for |
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| 11:03.49 | abchirk | hey guys any op here? |
| 11:04.09 | abchirk | MoniTor is sending me every time i connectin a freepornsite |
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| 11:04.57 | HardDisk_WP | abchirk, free porn? where?! |
| 11:05.18 | abchirk | ^^ i dont think so that this site would be free ;) |
| 11:07.10 | liable | !ops MoniTor pornbot |
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| 11:07.23 | liable | @ops MoniTor pornbot |
| 11:07.24 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS: liable complains about: MoniTor pornbot |
| 11:07.53 | abchirk | lol? |
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| 11:08.06 | liable | eh? |
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| 11:08.49 | liable | abchirk: i am not an op, the bot just called ops, so we wait untill someone deals with it.. |
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| 11:11.29 | abchirk | ah rgr |
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| 11:13.16 | enouf | abchirk: if you try MoniPr0n .. does it connect you to freeTorsite? |
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| 11:14.13 | teledyn_k | is there any chance of debian starting a desktop-oriented subproject? |
| 11:15.06 | liable | no |
| 11:15.12 | enouf | teledyn_k: as in cro-magnun, maybe Neandertal? |
| 11:15.34 | liable | teledyn_k: i thought it was called ubuntu |
| 11:15.41 | enouf | haha |
| 11:15.50 | teledyn_k | enouf: not really clear what your question means |
| 11:16.12 | enouf | !confuse teledyn_k |
| 11:16.13 | dpkg | Yes, who are our weasel today, teledyn_k? shirts of the monarchy of belarus with extra cream |
| 11:16.15 | teledyn_k | i was at a debian conference a couple years ago where this guy was talking about subprojects |
| 11:16.19 | HardDisk_WP | how do I list all installed packages? |
| 11:16.31 | enouf | hey .. extra cream .. I'm impressed |
| 11:16.31 | teledyn_k | like the education one for example |
| 11:16.54 | enouf | dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
| 11:16.55 | dpkg | ii | grep ^.i 3.5-15 enouf's private stamp collection |
| 11:17.03 | enouf | hehe |
| 11:17.11 | liable | gartt: dpkg -l |grep ^ii or dpkg --get-elections > foor.txt |
| 11:17.11 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
| 11:17.23 | Charminthemoose | teledyn_k:DOn't you just mean a custom distro,based on debian? |
| 11:17.30 | Charminthemoose | jeez |
| 11:17.36 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, thx |
| 11:17.50 | Charminthemoose | There are enough of them around. |
| 11:18.02 | liable | but none are debian |
| 11:18.06 | enouf | no prob .. liable showed you how to redirect to a file too |
| 11:18.47 | enouf | liable: typo .. dpkg --get-selections > foor.txt |
| 11:18.50 | teledyn_k | Charminthemoose, well, i would prefer to stay in the "debian family", i.e. not go to something like ubuntu. i know debian developers have worked really hard to make subprojects possible |
| 11:19.02 | enouf | +s |
| 11:19.24 | enouf | !CustomCD |
| 11:19.30 | enouf | !Custom |
| 11:19.31 | liable | enouf: typo? yes i meant foo.txt, but the file name doesnt matter |
| 11:19.36 | enouf | bahh |
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| 11:19.43 | enouf | liable: +s |
| 11:19.48 | liable | oh, the selsctions.. |
| 11:19.56 | enouf | duh :-) |
| 11:19.58 | liable | yes, i am a typetard :) |
| 11:20.03 | enouf | me too |
| 11:20.04 | teledyn_k | liable, exactly. none are debian. |
| 11:20.33 | enouf | teledyn_k: Debian has a beta LiveCD in the works |
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| 11:21.12 | liable | teledyn_k: so, you just have to learn to configure stuff that debian doesnt do for you :) |
| 11:21.16 | liable | !beer RichiH |
| 11:21.16 | enouf | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 11:21.16 | teledyn_k | i wish debian would have two main subprojects: server and desktop. sarge is perfect for server. |
| 11:21.38 | RichiH | liable: thanks for reporting :) |
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| 11:21.47 | enouf | and Etch for Desktop |
| 11:21.49 | liable | RichiH: thanks for klining :) |
| 11:21.53 | RichiH | :) |
| 11:22.12 | Charminthemoose | teledyn_k:Though sarge ain't that bad for desktop |
| 11:23.20 | teledyn_k | still, there's stuff like support for wifi drivers that most desktop users want, which don't get patched into the kernel by default. for example i must constantly build my own kernels with suspend support for my laptop |
| 11:23.49 | teledyn_k | but fedore, ubuntu, etc. tend to provide that |
| 11:24.34 | teledyn_k | i understand you might not want to heavily patch a server kernel. but why not a desktop one? |
| 11:24.51 | Charminthemoose | so why don't you just use one of them?ubuntu uses apt-get to my undestanding |
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| 11:25.16 | liable | teledyn_k: ya, it can be a pain, but then its also wonderfull to be able to actually configure yourself unlike those mentioned distros |
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| 11:26.02 | liable | teledyn_k: i tried ubuntu, and i was amazed by how well it worked on my laptop, but also annoyed at how to work out what the hell it was doing to achieve those things |
| 11:26.19 | liable | teledyn_k: so i rather spend a little time to do it myself |
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| 11:26.49 | teledyn_k | liable: i understand you |
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| 11:28.22 | abchirk | thx RichiH :) |
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| 11:28.41 | liable | teledyn_k: s/a little time/ a sometimes annoying amount of time/ but, eh, using debian is a bit of a hobby and keeps my brain active :) |
| 11:29.16 | teledyn_k | still, i think if debian didn't want to lose a lot of mind share to ubuntu, it should consider having a server and a desktop branch, which are only related in the core. 99% of the crap in the desktop branch you wouldn't even want in the server one, so it would be an improvement for stability. and the desktop one could be updated more regulary, not putting pressure on the server branch |
| 11:29.43 | enouf | teledyn_k: you're skating real close to a contradictory and hypocritical wall .. see the Debian policy, and understand what GPL means - and what incentives newer hardware vendors have for keeping their proprietary crap closed source only .. and THEN, throw ppl such as yourself into that mix |
| 11:29.46 | Maulkin | liable: 7 |
| 11:30.12 | Maulkin | liable: from four different manufacturers |
| 11:30.27 | Charminthemoose | what's right with ubuntu? |
| 11:30.38 | teledyn_k | enouf: what's the difference between running 'm-a a-i nvidia|madwifi|etc' vs. just having it supported? |
| 11:30.56 | enouf | hehe |
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| 11:31.09 | Maulkin | s/Debian/Ubuntu/g;s/Medium/Imortant/g |
| 11:31.20 | liable | Maulkin: heh, good response.. :P but, for the average user, theres normally at *least* a few weeks worth of getting shit to work (if it works at all) |
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| 11:31.39 | Maulkin | liable: *shrug* Everythign just worked(tm) on this laptop |
| 11:31.42 | enouf | teledyn_k: there's already firmware in the kernel that is causing some conflicts |
| 11:31.56 | Maulkin | liable: I didn't do anything to make it work. It just did |
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| 11:32.42 | teledyn_k | enouf: i agree, its real BS and a real dilemma. even on the server side i've seen it, like lack of packages for oracle, which i had to build |
| 11:32.47 | liable | Maulkin: i have only had 2, both thinkpads which are generally well supported, and both have needed external modules and a fair amount of fucking around for the usual laptop goodness |
| 11:33.01 | Maulkin | liable: This one is a thinkpad :) |
| 11:33.20 | teledyn_k | enouf: and yes we little people get crushed by the oracles|linksys|proprietary vendors who don't give a crud |
| 11:33.21 | Charminthemoose | anyone know when etch will be released? |
| 11:33.29 | wols_ | !WIR |
| 11:33.29 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 11:33.36 | Charminthemoose | ah right. |
| 11:33.54 | Maulkin | liable: Like anything, it depends on which hardware is there I suppose, but there's no reason why Ubuntu works more than Debian |
| 11:34.18 | Maulkin | Charminthemoose: Estimated date is December |
| 11:34.36 | liable | Maulkin: atheros on one, ipw3945 on the other, not to mention the hoops for ssuspend to work reliably (suspend2 patches) plus shit thats only just being implemented to get battery and hdaps sort of stuff to work like windows |
| 11:34.44 | teledyn_k | maybe then there should be some project, not officially affiliated with debian, but somehow connected to it, which deals with/provides all the ugly proprietary stuff |
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| 11:34.52 | enouf | teledyn_k: where's nvidias open source 3d drivers ..eh? .. it's like the iTunes, Napster, wmv, DRM-laden crapola ..and all you little chickadees keep buying that crap .. hence, supporting it's existence |
| 11:35.18 | enouf | just say NO! hehe Nancy Reaganomics |
| 11:35.32 | liable | Maulkin: yes there is, because they have the modules in the kernel. heck, even my modem was supported out of the box on my older thinkpad |
| 11:35.39 | teledyn_k | enouf: is ati any better? i heard there were issues with their drivers to? |
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| 11:36.19 | enouf | nvidia was an example only .. no, ofcourse ati is not any better |
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| 11:37.08 | enouf | teledyn_k: support you local foss PCI card driver developement - that's the only way as I can see so far |
| 11:37.18 | jlaw | there are no issues with nvidia when you know how to handle it |
| 11:37.29 | teledyn_k | yeah ipods make me sick. its like seeing a hippie in a burger king - a totaly contradiction of values |
| 11:37.31 | enouf | except it's not GPLed |
| 11:38.02 | teledyn_k | actually i don't mind using the nv driver at all since i don't do anything 3d |
| 11:38.21 | enouf | jlaw: and for good reason ... trade secrets - but that's not Debian Policy |
| 11:38.31 | liable | Maulkin: that being said, my old TP would be supported out of the box by etch too. |
| 11:38.36 | enouf | teledyn_k: I don;t either for 2D .. no issues there |
| 11:38.54 | liable | except the atheros module during install |
| 11:39.06 | jlaw | well i need the nvidia driver for playing americas army, nexuiz and for playing around with blender |
| 11:39.25 | enouf | anyone else care to comment ^^^ |
| 11:39.27 | enouf | ? |
| 11:39.35 | teledyn_k | playing americas army? wtf is that? |
| 11:39.52 | enouf | it's FreddyKruger's fav game |
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| 11:40.16 | jlaw | americas army is the perfect mix between ego shooter and propaganda |
| 11:40.27 | jlaw | and cost free^^ |
| 11:40.37 | teledyn_k | to each his own |
| 11:40.53 | jlaw | would be a strange propagana if you had to pay for it !-) |
| 11:41.06 | liable | yes and the DoD prolly know your score and will be coming to visit to see if you would like to go to iraq :P |
| 11:41.38 | jlaw | i already enlisted into the us army, but they did not care as i am german^^ |
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| 11:42.50 | enouf | jlaw: that shouldn't be an issue .. 1/3 of UncleSam's smelly ass is already outsourced mercs |
| 11:43.03 | Charminthemoose | I'll never be sent onto the front line of warfare,I'll probably get a office job or something. |
| 11:43.11 | jlaw | but maybe i should not feel too secure as the cia already kidnapped this murat kurnas guy from the same city where i live -.- |
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| 11:43.32 | roxy_ | where are X11 logs ? |
| 11:43.52 | liable | /var/log .. with the rst of your system logs |
| 11:43.53 | enouf | .. /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:43.53 | Charminthemoose | /var/log/x.log.0 roxy_ |
| 11:44.04 | teledyn_k | i guess maybe i'll switch to etch soon. it only lags behind sid by a few weeks, right? |
| 11:44.09 | enouf | or Xfree86.0.log |
| 11:44.17 | liable | or possibly usefull info in ~/.xsession |
| 11:44.18 | enouf | remember the Caps |
| 11:44.50 | roxy_ | enouf: thanks |
| 11:44.59 | enouf | config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf is lowercase .. but the log is Xorg.0.log .. go figure |
| 11:45.06 | enouf | no prob |
| 11:45.54 | roxy_ | enouf: that was why I couldn't find it X is before a. |
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| 11:46.31 | teledyn_k | the thing i like about sid is i get to file valuable bug reports from time to time |
| 11:46.32 | liable | tab is your friend |
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| 11:47.56 | roxy_ | when I boot my laptop, everything seems fine, the boot message scrolls but then the screen go black. The booting still seems to goes ok but I can't see anything. I can log in in single user mode. Where should I look for the cause of the problem ? |
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| 11:48.54 | jlaw | roxy_: sounds like a problem with a framebuffer device, have you compiled your own kernel? |
| 11:50.14 | roxy_ | jlaw: no, it is debian kernel. It looks like saving power goes on and I can't stop it. |
| 11:50.51 | teledyn_k | roxy_, try adding "vga=1" to your kernel boot line and seeing if it helps |
| 11:50.53 | jlaw | roxy_: have a look at your /boot/grub/menu.lst if there are any "vga=xxx" entries and uncomment them |
| 11:50.58 | liable | yay, deuce bigalow is on TV |
| 11:51.09 | teledyn_k | roxy_, or "vga=normal" |
| 11:51.12 | liable | tis a funny movie |
| 11:51.42 | enouf | roxy_: got a xdm,gdm,kdm installed ? any DE? |
| 11:52.06 | HardDisk_WP | teledyn_k, did you recieve my query? |
| 11:52.07 | roxy_ | teledyn_k, jlaw: thanks, trying |
| 11:52.14 | roxy_ | enouf: kdm is installed |
| 11:52.25 | enouf | jlaw: grub settings wouldn't effect an after bootup screen |
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| 11:52.45 | jlaw | roxy_: at which point is it going black? |
| 11:52.51 | teledyn_k | HardDisk_WP, i got an uninvited PM in which you said "hello" |
| 11:52.56 | Guerin | unless they were settings to do with the display framebuffer |
| 11:53.00 | Guerin | or similar |
| 11:53.23 | HardDisk_WP | teledyn_k, could you please help me setting up hp5 and mysql? i am a bit of a noob |
| 11:53.32 | HardDisk_WP | s/hp5/php5 |
| 11:53.33 | jlaw | Guerin, that's the point |
| 11:53.36 | enouf | roxy_: can you update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 11:53.41 | roxy_ | jlaw: when the boot message are scrolling |
| 11:53.54 | teledyn_k | HardDisk_WP, why are you singling me out, and this is a #debian channel. try #php |
| 11:54.24 | roxy_ | enouf: startkde |
| 11:54.38 | enouf | roxy_: once done booting .. what messages appear on ctrl-alt-f1 ?? how about pastebin your dmesg output |
| 11:54.38 | Guerin | jlaw: yes. |
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| 11:54.43 | jlaw | roxy_: but does it go black right from the start or at the point where any DM should start? |
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| 11:56.07 | teledyn_k | HardDisk_WP, start here: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals and look at reference links in /topic |
| 11:56.25 | enouf | roxy_: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 11:56.33 | HardDisk_WP | teledyn_k, i'll try |
| 11:58.02 | roxy_ | enouf: /usr/bin/kdm |
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| 11:58.17 | enouf | roxy_: also could try at prompt /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 11:58.23 | roxy_ | jlaw: while the message are scrolling, probably about the time when X should start |
| 11:58.36 | roxy_ | enouf: in runlevel 1 ? |
| 11:58.41 | enouf | yep |
| 11:59.09 | enouf | roxy_: have you been playing with the runlevel scripts? |
| 11:59.30 | roxy_ | enouf: black screen :( |
| 11:59.55 | roxy_ | enouf: no, I just updated few days ago when it went to 2.6.18 |
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| 12:00.05 | anisfarhana | hello hello :D |
| 12:00.08 | anisfarhana | emergency help |
| 12:00.18 | anisfarhana | how to install tck packages via apt-get ? someone please ? |
| 12:00.29 | war95 | Something is renaming my interface, what is it?: eth1_rena Link encap:Ethernet |
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| 12:00.56 | Braindead | anisfarhana: aptitude search ~ntcl |
| 12:00.57 | roxy_ | anisfarhana: you find the pacakge you want with apt-cache search XXX ,then insall it with apt-get install XXX |
| 12:01.12 | enouf | roxy_: you should be at runlevel2 unless you changed the defaults .. cat /etc/inittab - fo you have this there? # The default runlevel. |
| 12:01.12 | enouf | id:2:initdefault: |
| 12:01.14 | war95 | Something is renaming my interface, what is it?: eth1_rena Link encap:Ethernet - Using Debian Etch, I am trying to use eth1, but something is renaming it to eth1_rename, wat is this? |
| 12:01.44 | enouf | roxy_: so this has been occuring only since you updated the kernel? |
| 12:01.46 | roxy_ | enouf: I said runlevel 1, because I can booted in single user mode |
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| 12:01.54 | anisfarhana | roxy_ / Braindead : i think its apt-get install tcl , but i got couldnt not find package |
| 12:02.12 | Guerin | !tell anisfarhana about search |
| 12:02.16 | roxy_ | enouf: yes, but it is hapening with the kernel 2.6.17 also |
| 12:02.32 | roxy_ | anisfarhana: you find the pacakge you want with apt-cache search XXX ,then insall it with apt-get install XXX |
| 12:02.34 | basix | what do we do to M$-people-pretending-to-be-working-for-F/OSS-cause-bad-mouthing-Linux-and-its-community ?? |
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| 12:02.41 | enouf | roxy_: ok .. try a normal boot -- but if it's new kernel related .. you may want to run update-grub ... BUT .. tell me if what kerenl did work correct;ly |
| 12:02.44 | anisfarhana | ah got it |
| 12:02.46 | anisfarhana | thanks guys :D |
| 12:02.58 | enouf | roxy_: so wait before running update-grub |
| 12:03.26 | enouf | roxy_: have you run update-grub recently? |
| 12:03.32 | jlaw | roxy_: you did not by chance updated to testing and xorg 6.9/7 ? |
| 12:03.42 | roxy_ | enouf: with a normal boot, I can't do anything because I can't see anything. That's why I am in single user mode |
| 12:03.52 | roxy_ | jlaw: I am in unstable |
| 12:04.11 | enouf | roxy_: no blinking cursor and nothing ? have you tried drxx from runlevel1? |
| 12:04.46 | basix | come on people. nobody cares for f/oss or what? |
| 12:04.48 | jlaw | roxy_: if there is the blinking cursor, enouf just mentioned, all you need to do is installing a font package |
| 12:04.54 | liable | good reason not to use sid if you have no fucking clue i guess.. |
| 12:04.58 | enouf | roxy_: but again .. if you did a apt-get upgrade (or dist-upgrade) ALONG with the new kernel ... other pkgs may beborked |
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| 12:05.49 | roxy_ | jlaw, enouf : normal booting , I don't have anything, just black screen. |
| 12:06.06 | jlaw | enouf, borked, huh? your system gets assimilated :D |
| 12:06.13 | enouf | roxy_: atleast do a drxx .. and or try an older kernel that did work |
| 12:06.25 | enouf | jlaw: abso-tively |
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| 12:06.42 | roxy_ | enouf: what is drxx ? |
| 12:06.47 | enouf | !drxx |
| 12:06.47 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 12:07.03 | himmelstr_utz | I have a Rage 128 Pro card - where can I find out if its supported by X.Org or XFREE? |
| 12:07.55 | enouf | roxy_: pastebin or join #flood (/msg dpkg pastewithoutx) ... and grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:08.28 | enouf | himmelstr_utz: it's supported using hte 2d ati driver |
| 12:09.37 | himmelstr_utz | enouf: for both x.org and xfree? |
| 12:09.52 | enouf | roxy_: as liable so eloquently stated .. you really shouldn't be using Sid, with where you seem to be using Gnu/Linux .. |
| 12:09.58 | enouf | himmelstr_utz: sure |
| 12:10.05 | Charminthemoose | what's the difference between x-window-system and x-window-system-core? |
| 12:10.07 | himmelstr_utz | enouf: great! |
| 12:10.10 | enouf | that's an Old card |
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| 12:10.35 | enouf | Charminthemoose: system-core is less |
| 12:10.54 | enouf | Charminthemoose: apt-cache show <pkg> for details |
| 12:11.23 | teledyn_k | anyone out there use madwifi driver for an atheros card? |
| 12:11.55 | teledyn_k | oh damn, they have their own channel |
| 12:11.57 | teledyn_k | nm |
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| 12:13.03 | Guerr3x | hi |
| 12:13.26 | himmelstr_utz | enouf: sorry but this second driver is in the original installation of x.org or do I need to fetch it from www.ati.com? |
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| 12:14.34 | enouf | himmelstr_utz: sorry .. what 2nd driver? |
| 12:14.54 | himmelstr_utz | enouf: "supported using hte 2d" |
| 12:15.15 | enouf | himmelstr_utz: if you want/desire 3d support .. you 'll need to decide on your favoruite magic-potion-vooodoo |
| 12:15.34 | enouf | himmelstr_utz: ok .. no 2d should be selectable during drxx |
| 12:16.01 | enouf | !tell himmelstr_utz about drxx |
| 12:17.24 | himmelstr_utz | no good information from dpkg there... but its some driver-pack thats included in the xserver-xfree86? |
| 12:19.09 | enouf | himmelstr_utz: when you get to the Video driver selection part -- you'll se these selections; Select the desired X server driver. Choices: apm, ark, ati, chips, cirrus, cyrix, fbdev, glide, glint, i128, i740, i810, imstt, mga, neomagic, newport, nsc, nv, rendition, s3, s3virge, savage, siliconmotion, sis, tdfx, tga, trident, tseng, vesa, vga, via, |
| 12:20.27 | himmelstr_utz | and thats what drxx stands for? alright... well thanks. |
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| 12:21.03 | jlaw | himmelstr_utz: and you can use three of them: ati, fbdev or vesa (or vga, but i don't think you want that) |
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| 12:22.07 | himmelstr_utz | jlaw: alright. I know vga and vesa since before, what's fbdev? |
| 12:22.32 | enouf | you don;t want framebuffer device |
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| 12:23.00 | jlaw | himmelstr_utz, but all of them will lack 3d support |
| 12:23.42 | jlaw | himmelstr_utz: i once tried to set up the rage 128 on my mom's pc ... it was a cramp |
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| 12:25.22 | himmelstr_utz | jlaw: I don't care much for 3d support.. just that the display is good enough |
| 12:25.33 | roxy_ | enouf: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is too long to be pasted. Any part to look for ? There aren't any error. |
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| 12:25.56 | enouf | roxy_: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:26.56 | enouf | roxy_: really ?? no errors? ... try grep WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- are you sure you weren;t previously just using XF86Config-4 ?? |
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| 12:27.43 | enouf | roxy_: I have no idea .. _how_much_ you've recently upgraded .. so Udev, X, Kernel .. any all could be bork3d severely |
| 12:27.51 | jlaw | himmelstr_utz: then you will want to use "ati" ... if i rememer it right i compiled ati fb support into the kernel ... but i'm not quite sure; maybe i mix it up with a older nvidia card ... |
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| 12:28.34 | liable | well, the kernel or udev arent borked if single user works |
| 12:28.57 | enouf | liable: sorry .. but bull |
| 12:29.18 | enouf | I had runlevel1 working great with a borker udev/hotplug |
| 12:30.06 | liable | ok, udev could posibly cause x to not start, but it would be in x logs |
| 12:30.48 | roxy_ | enouf: I joined #flood, my nick is liableIsLovely |
| 12:31.27 | liable | roxy_: making fun of me is not productive, and ircing as root is stupid |
| 12:31.41 | himmelstr_utz | jlaw: is there a possibility that the old xfree supports 3d for this card? |
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| 12:31.55 | beardy | !pal liable |
| 12:32.20 | liable | beardy: your not the first, or the last |
| 12:32.25 | beardy | Just dropping my productivity. |
| 12:32.57 | abrotman | liable: you're |
| 12:32.59 | beardy | liable: Did he irc as root? |
| 12:33.09 | jlaw | himmelstr_utz, there once was a driver offered by ati, but could even find it one year or so ago ... |
| 12:33.33 | liable | abrotman: your sure it spelt that way? |
| 12:33.34 | roxy_ | beardy: yes I irc as root on a laptop I use to try unstable out and with nothing on it. |
| 12:33.44 | abrotman | liable: you're |
| 12:33.48 | aubergine | I have installed php4-cli and php4-cgi, and use it for a command line prgramm. How can i tell php that it should only use one specific IP Adresse on a Multi IP System? |
| 12:33.48 | liable | abrotman: your sure it spelt that way? |
| 12:33.52 | beardy | roxy_: Stop doing that. |
| 12:33.53 | abrotman | noe |
| 12:34.02 | liable | fian |
| 12:34.05 | beardy | liable: Yes. |
| 12:34.08 | roxy_ | beardy: why ? |
| 12:34.21 | beardy | !root |
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| 12:34.21 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 12:34.30 | beardy | roxy_: Because it's stupid. |
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| 12:34.48 | beardy | roxy_: And unnecessary. |
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| 12:35.35 | jlaw | !tell roxy_ -about stupidity |
| 12:36.12 | torsten | afk |
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| 12:36.24 | abrotman | oh goodie .. we were worried |
| 12:36.57 | abrotman | liable: weren't you scared you might not be able to find torsten ? .. now we know he's afk .. don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors!! |
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| 12:37.25 | liable | abrotman: who the fuck is torsten? |
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| 12:37.43 | abrotman | liable: i don't know .. but he's afk! .. |
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| 12:39.30 | _Brandon_ | hi, someone can explain me why amarok depends on xmms now?:P |
| 12:39.45 | valdyn | _Brandon_: it does? |
| 12:39.50 | valdyn | !depends amarok |
| 12:39.53 | _Brandon_ | valdyn: in debian unstable |
| 12:39.58 | dpkg | amarok: depends on amarok-engines | amarok-engine, ruby, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.4-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgpod0, libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libifp4, libjpeg62, libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.24-2), libnjb5, libpng12-0 (>= ... |
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| 12:41.00 | valdyn | _Brandon_: you could try ldd on the binary and search output for something from xmms |
| 12:41.08 | liable | abrotman: phew! now that i know that, i can stalk his daughter! |
| 12:41.14 | abrotman | isn't amarok its own player? |
| 12:41.24 | valdyn | _Brandon_: or force removal of xmms and then run amarok |
| 12:41.31 | abrotman | liable: oh yeah .. good plan |
| 12:41.38 | Eclipser | _Brandon_, it uses some xmms visualization thing |
| 12:42.03 | Eclipser | apt-cache show amarok # tells it |
| 12:42.05 | _Brandon_ | so it's not really needed |
| 12:42.08 | liable | abrotman: it was the best i could do on short notice :/ |
| 12:42.15 | abrotman | so you're telling me that it depends on an entirely other player .. for a visualization? |
| 12:42.27 | abrotman | that's gotta be one of the stupidest things i've heard |
| 12:42.40 | abrotman | liable: at least i didn't make a sheep joke in return :) |
| 12:42.58 | abrotman | why should i be surprised though .. it is a KDE app :) |
| 12:43.37 | liable | abrotman: thats a first :) |
| 12:44.08 | Eclipser | abrotman, xmms isn't very modular and I think they didn't want to rewrite the code I bet :) |
| 12:44.11 | jlaw | abrotman, the confession wars are over since a while, so don't try to refresh them for those de-reasons !-) |
| 12:44.22 | Eclipser | abrotman, but it can be compiled without it! |
| 12:44.26 | abrotman | Eclipser: yeah .. makes SO much more sense to require the whole player .. |
| 12:44.30 | Eclipser | :) |
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| 12:44.48 | abrotman | jlaw: uhm .. de-resaons ? |
| 12:44.54 | _Brandon_ | (you |
| 12:44.54 | _Brandon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.57 | Eclipser | well, not my problem... I develop and use xmms2 so my choise isn't very hard to guess |
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| 12:45.17 | _Brandon_ | but if i install libvisual it still needs xmms :P |
| 12:45.21 | jlaw | abrotman, i bet you're not using kde |
| 12:45.39 | abrotman | jlaw: i'm not .. and why would i .. the apps in it require other apps to run! |
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| 12:46.20 | Eclipser | :) |
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| 12:46.48 | jlaw | abrotman, see, that's the point, i would say gnome sux^^ what do i care if i have to install some apps i do not need if i have enough disk space ;) |
| 12:47.11 | Eclipser | gnome and kde suck, 'nuff said |
| 12:47.37 | Charminthemoose | Eclipser:Why do you say that gnome sucks? |
| 12:47.43 | jlaw | rofl ... this talk is exactly what i wanted to prevent: the de confession war^^ |
| 12:47.44 | Charminthemoose | GNome rocks |
| 12:47.55 | Eclipser | Charminthemoose, because all desktop environments are unneccessary bloat |
| 12:47.59 | abrotman | jlaw: dude .. amarok installs ANOTHER player |
| 12:48.11 | abrotman | jlaw: that'd be like kwin requiring sawfish |
| 12:48.51 | h3sp4wn | Eclipser: Would you say e17 is a WM or a DE (or neither) ? I would say its damn fast so cannot be that bloated |
| 12:48.59 | liable | Eclipser: dont be so fanatical, all shit has a use for someone, just cause you dont like it doesnt mean its shite |
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| 12:49.32 | jlaw | abrotman: so what? women require dozens pairs of shoes even if there is only a essential need for one or two pairs |
| 12:49.37 | Eclipser | liable, of course it does :) (I'm not being totally serious though) |
| 12:49.45 | Eclipser | h3sp4wn, useless candy |
| 12:50.04 | Eclipser | so KDE is like a woman? |
| 12:50.09 | jlaw | abrotman: operating systems, and desktop environments much more, are much like women. just accept it^^ |
| 12:50.10 | Eclipser | thank goodness I never installed it |
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| 12:50.38 | abrotman | jlaw: that's the stupidest analogy i've heard .. in order for that to work .. you'd have to say that in order for the woman to wear pairA .. she'd need to first have on pairB .. which is just stupid |
| 12:50.39 | h3sp4wn | Eclipser: So you use ratpoison ? (I can use that if I need to make sure I actually only do work) |
| 12:50.41 | Eclipser | linux is much better than a woman... if there's something wrong with it, I can fix it |
| 12:50.45 | abrotman | jlaw: you should stop now |
| 12:51.06 | liable | candy is ok. heck, why would i run balckbox on a new laptop? i rather like having xgl and the toys and still not even using a quarter of my ram or processing power. |
| 12:51.21 | Eclipser | liable, why? |
| 12:51.28 | liable | Eclipser: why not? |
| 12:51.31 | Eclipser | to sacrifice productivity? |
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| 12:52.01 | abrotman | using blackbox does't make you less productive |
| 12:52.07 | Eclipser | I never said that |
| 12:52.10 | jlaw | abrotman: that's a point and i accept it. but i like this analogy anyway -.- |
| 12:52.12 | Eclipser | xgl and toys will :) |
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| 12:52.27 | _Brandon_ | aniway for amarok it's a bug into the deb package xmms should be optional |
| 12:52.30 | abrotman | jlaw: it was a poor analogy .. |
| 12:52.31 | liable | Eclipser: haha, i dont code, i use my computer as a tool for my purposes, and blackbox or whateverbox doesnt suit my needs |
| 12:52.46 | Eclipser | liable, what? there's something other than coding I can do with my box? |
| 12:52.50 | abrotman | _Brandon_: is there a "Just Plain Stupid" bug severity ? |
| 12:52.54 | _Brandon_ | if you don't install xmms or libvisual-0.4-plugins you can't see visualzation |
| 12:52.56 | jlaw | abrotman, as i am poor mindet it is good enough for me !-) |
| 12:53.05 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: lol :P |
| 12:53.06 | abrotman | jlaw: you're single aren't you? :) |
| 12:53.09 | liable | Eclipser: if i wanted to use a *box, i would buy a >7 year old computer |
| 12:53.24 | Eclipser | liable, besides my opinions are quite affected by the fact that my newest computer IS 6 years old |
| 12:53.35 | Eclipser | then I have 8 years old laptop and a few P133's |
| 12:53.40 | abrotman | Eclipser: that's a PIII |
| 12:53.40 | jlaw | abrotman, naa, i#m not single: i got a marvelous pc -.- |
| 12:53.44 | liable | enough said |
| 12:54.38 | liable | Eclipser: i just dont get all the fanaticals telling me to use a freakishly lightweight WM, and leave 987 MB of ram free.... |
| 12:54.41 | Charminthemoose | I have a six yearold computer |
| 12:54.52 | Charminthemoose | in fact it's the one i'm running debian on now |
| 12:54.56 | abrotman | bah .. i have a uhm .. 12? year old ... |
| 12:55.00 | abrotman | coputer!! |
| 12:55.02 | abrotman | computer!!@ |
| 12:55.19 | abrotman | it runs sarge .. dunno if will survive to etch ... |
| 12:55.32 | Eclipser | liable, free RAM isn't really an issue unless the box has less that 32MB or something |
| 12:55.32 | abrotman | oh ... wait .. maybe i did make it run etch ... |
| 12:55.41 | Eclipser | than* |
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| 12:55.58 | liable | Eclipser: you miss my point though |
| 12:56.09 | Eclipser | yes yes, fanatics are usually misguided |
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| 12:56.49 | Eclipser | (or was there something else? :) |
| 12:57.03 | azeem | Eclipser: your concerns are fine, but we would welcome if you could consider the POV of the users you are trying to help as well |
| 12:57.48 | liable | Eclipser: i just protest the people that say gnome/kde/xgl/compiz or whatever, are a waste of time, and i basically put it down to hardware envy :P |
| 12:58.19 | abrotman | liable: does your computer have a mouse wheel? :) |
| 12:58.44 | liable | abrotman: no :( but it has a sort of way around it :) |
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| 12:58.49 | jlaw | liable, word. i once used blackbox on a 486dx100 but on my current machine i prefer the comfort of kde |
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| 12:59.14 | h3sp4wn | If you can use the wm or de without using a mouse (i.e you have learnt the shortcut keys (excluding browser)) then I would say that is as productive as you can be |
| 12:59.20 | asg | abrotman: the pink one got it in the can |
| 12:59.25 | Eclipser | azeem, I once tried to study to become a teacher and discovered that I couldn't understand why some people can't learn something or figure out something on their own ... I'm not good with other people :) |
| 12:59.43 | azeem | Eclipser: why are you doing end-user support then? |
| 12:59.46 | abrotman | asg: that's rough |
| 12:59.53 | Eclipser | azeem, I don't, I just code |
| 13:00.12 | Eclipser | personally I think some end-users should be forbidden an access to computers |
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| 13:00.13 | azeem | Eclipser: oh, ok. I thought you were hanging around here |
| 13:00.20 | abrotman | azeem: he wasn't supporting anyone .. he mentioned that xmms wasn't modular |
| 13:00.21 | JohnDoh | hi, is there any way to cut the power to a usb powered external HD? i have tired eject but that doesnt do it |
| 13:00.28 | abrotman | azeem: he does hang out in here though |
| 13:00.35 | Eclipser | I idle here mostly |
| 13:00.36 | ifireball | does upgrading from mysql-4.0 in debian to mysql-4.1 also properly upgrade my databases? |
| 13:00.38 | abrotman | JohnDoh: unplug it ? |
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| 13:00.44 | enouf | so why can't anyone just come out and say it's OO vs non-OO programming .. or C vs. C++/# ?? |
| 13:00.45 | Eclipser | I open my mouth once or twice a month or something :) |
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| 13:00.55 | JohnDoh | heh, without doing that |
| 13:01.03 | abrotman | JohnDoh: why? |
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| 13:02.00 | JohnDoh | so i can leave it pluged in but only turn it on when i need it |
| 13:02.13 | JohnDoh | it doesnt have a power button |
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| 13:02.32 | Eclipser | my western digital pocket size HD has the same problem |
| 13:02.47 | Eclipser | but I rarely turn it off anyway |
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| 13:03.22 | debiann | hello |
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| 13:05.23 | Juice10 | hi, does anyone know how to tunnel port 80 via ssh? I tried "ssh -L80:127.0.0.1:90 root@my.ssh.server.whatever" |
| 13:05.46 | Juice10 | ssh -L80:127.0.0.1:80 root@my.ssh.server.whatever |
| 13:07.16 | asg | Juice10: are you running that as root? |
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| 13:07.25 | Juice10 | yes |
| 13:07.32 | asg | Juice10: then what error are you getting? |
| 13:08.02 | Juice10 | none, when I try going to whatismyip.com it gives me my local ip not the one of my server |
| 13:09.23 | asg | Juice10: that's because the tunnel is your workstation:80 -> my.ssh.server.whaterver:80. Going to whatismyip will not use that tunnel. |
| 13:10.20 | Juice10 | ah ok, I understand |
| 13:10.20 | Juice10 | is that possible what I'm trying to do? |
| 13:10.48 | asg | Juice10: if you are wanting to proxy your web traffic over ssh via some server, install squid on the server, configure it, use ssh -L 3128:locahost:3128 server@with.squid.on.it. Configure browser to use localhost:3128 as proxy. |
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| 13:11.39 | Juice10 | asg, thank you for the help! |
| 13:11.46 | asg | Juice10: you're welcome |
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| 13:18.31 | outlaw84 | Yesterday I shutdown my computer and now It doesn't seam to be geting an IP from the router anymore... I have tryed connection my laptop to the same cable and it gets IP right away, any ideas of what I should do? |
| 13:19.01 | blondie | what happens when you run dhclient manually? |
| 13:19.18 | outlaw84 | I get network is down |
| 13:19.27 | liable | outlaw84: was wpasupplicant or wireless-tools updated? |
| 13:19.31 | abrotman | what did you install yesterday ? |
| 13:19.38 | liable | or a kernel? |
| 13:19.43 | abrotman | liable: he didn't say wireless |
| 13:19.51 | Mooi | lol |
| 13:19.55 | blondie | outlaw84: do the LEDs come on on the router/NIC? |
| 13:19.56 | outlaw84 | I didnot do any changes yesterday |
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| 13:20.04 | Mooi | outlaw84: how are you connecting to your router? |
| 13:20.04 | debianaaa | hello |
| 13:20.15 | Mooi | hi debianaaa |
| 13:20.20 | abrotman | outlaw84: which version of debian ? |
| 13:20.20 | liable | abrotman: the connecting to cable bit threw me.. |
| 13:20.21 | outlaw84 | Mooi: cabel |
| 13:20.29 | outlaw84 | unstable amd64 |
| 13:20.49 | outlaw84 | But I have not done any upgrading within the last days |
| 13:21.20 | outlaw84 | blondie: no they do not light up when the cabel is connection |
| 13:21.49 | Mooi | doesnt sound like debian's problem |
| 13:22.20 | outlaw84 | do you have any tips for my anyways? I am not sure it is a debian |
| 13:22.34 | Mooi | is the router even on? |
| 13:22.38 | outlaw84 | yes |
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| 13:22.44 | Mooi | hwo do you know? |
| 13:22.55 | outlaw84 | If i plug the cable into an other computer it works |
| 13:22.59 | Mooi | ok |
| 13:23.10 | Mooi | are you using ethernet to connect to your router? |
| 13:23.14 | liable | outlaw84: does ifconfig -a show the card? does dmesg mention anything about the card? |
| 13:23.23 | Mooi | lspci should show the card too |
| 13:23.30 | Mooi | [package pcitools] |
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| 13:24.00 | outlaw84 | the card shows as it should and allways has |
| 13:24.13 | Mooi | ok |
| 13:24.19 | Mooi | what is the usual ip address you are expecting? |
| 13:25.06 | outlaw84 | 192.168.1.3... bound in the router to my servers(the computer that doesn't get IP) MAC |
| 13:25.41 | Mooi | try "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.55" |
| 13:25.45 | Mooi | and what does it say? |
| 13:26.04 | blondie | outlaw84: if the light doesnt come on, sounds liek a hardware problme |
| 13:26.37 | Mooi | maybe the card is not fitted in properly ^^^ |
| 13:26.43 | outlaw84 | Mooi: built in |
| 13:26.49 | Mooi | hm |
| 13:27.02 | Mooi | separate is always better |
| 13:27.09 | blondie | try switching it off at the mains and back on after a minute or two |
| 13:27.16 | blondie | Mooi: why is it? |
| 13:27.27 | blondie | all motherboards come with onboard ethernet these days |
| 13:27.33 | Mooi | hm |
| 13:27.36 | Mooi | nvm.. :] |
| 13:27.42 | abrotman | not all! |
| 13:27.52 | outlaw84 | Mooi: I could set the IP but I still cant talk on the network |
| 13:28.01 | Mooi | outlaw84: ping the router |
| 13:28.15 | outlaw84 | Mooi: 100% packet loss |
| 13:28.35 | Mooi | see dmesg .... thats all i can help with ;p |
| 13:28.52 | Mooi | weird... seems like my dns is down |
| 13:29.04 | Mooi | I can connect to IPs but not dns |
| 13:29.31 | Mooi | and the problem is in this machine, not the other machine in the lan |
| 13:29.40 | outlaw84 | I get something.... "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready" |
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| 13:32.42 | koray | Hi all. I'm trying to build an emacs package with XFT and Unicode support but i've some problems. Is there anyone can help and guide me? |
| 13:33.32 | liable | koray: try #emacs? |
| 13:34.26 | liable | or if its a debian package, try #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 13:34.47 | dimir | ?oftc |
| 13:34.51 | dimir | ? oftc |
| 13:34.55 | dimir | ! oftc |
| 13:34.56 | dpkg | i heard oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
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| 13:35.02 | Kim^J | Hi there! How do I enable PHP on Apache? Debian Sarge. |
| 13:35.03 | koray | liable: yes, trying to build a debian package |
| 13:35.07 | liable | third times a charm |
| 13:35.24 | dimir | Kim^J: install them! |
| 13:35.25 | dimir | :-P |
| 13:35.27 | liable | koray: cool, try mentors, ot the mailing list |
| 13:35.35 | Kim^J | dimbir, Hmm... |
| 13:35.44 | koray | liable: ok, thank you.. |
| 13:36.33 | liable | np |
| 13:36.49 | Kim^J | dimir, Ahh.. Forgot libapache2-mod-php4 =) |
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| 13:39.56 | liable | sunday has lost its zing! |
| 13:40.09 | asg | liable: eat a jalapeno |
| 13:41.32 | liable | asg: i might just do that, pizza with chilli for dinner tomorrow (which will prolly be sunday still in places) |
| 13:42.55 | liable | its not quite sunday in the states yet is it? |
| 13:43.06 | asg | liable: saturday morning, 9:42 am |
| 13:43.07 | liable | of course not.. |
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| 13:43.09 | abrotman | not even close :) |
| 13:43.32 | abrotman | liable: it's not sunday there yet either is it ? |
| 13:43.41 | abrotman | about 1145 ? |
| 13:43.42 | liable | excuse me, i am having a brain fart, its not wuite sunday here yet :/ |
| 13:43.51 | abrotman | 2345 . whatever |
| 13:43.53 | liable | abrotman: bingo |
| 13:44.08 | abrotman | who knew sheep could tell time ;) |
| 13:44.23 | hburchey | What is the difference between recommends and suggests? |
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| 13:44.37 | asg | abrotman: at the sound of the bleating, it will be 'half-baaaaaahhhst 10' |
| 13:44.49 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 13:44.51 | liable | heh |
| 13:44.55 | abrotman | asg: so wrong |
| 13:44.57 | abrotman | !meep |
| 13:44.58 | dpkg | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/meepcam.jpg |
| 13:45.17 | liable | abrotman: depends where you come from, as to how wrong it is.. |
| 13:45.18 | abrotman | hburchey: i believe the manual covers that |
| 13:45.26 | abrotman | liable: okay! |
| 13:45.41 | liable | why did i say that? |
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| 13:46.08 | abrotman | !kiwismite liable |
| 13:46.26 | liable | abrotman: I AM NOT A KIWI! |
| 13:46.37 | abrotman | !kikismite liable |
| 13:47.02 | robin_sz | what do kiwis call 2 goats tied to a tree? |
| 13:47.10 | liable | abrotman: you can call me anything, but please, not a kiwi! :P |
| 13:47.13 | tralala | Am I joining at a bad moment?! |
| 13:47.13 | azeem | robin_sz: eh? |
| 13:47.14 | robin_sz | theme park! |
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| 13:48.12 | liable | tralala: theres a good moment? |
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| 13:48.13 | robin_sz | sorry, couldnt resist joining in with the kiwi baiting |
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| 13:48.20 | liable | hah |
| 13:48.32 | liable | i only just read that comment |
| 13:48.40 | tralala | liable: is it sunday already?! |
| 13:48.43 | liable | its cruel, but true! |
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| 13:49.03 | liable | tralala: 13 minutes to go! |
| 13:49.30 | tralala | :) |
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| 13:50.01 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 13:50.01 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 13:50.12 | tralala | ouch! |
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| 13:53.49 | liable | its funny, i quite often dont know what day of the week it is, due to working non weekday shifts. its kinda weird when you dont really care what day it is, but just how may days till your (abrotman -- you're) day off |
| 13:54.12 | abrotman | your is correct :) |
| 13:54.27 | abrotman | liable: you only tend to your sheep on the weekends ? |
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| 13:55.03 | liable | koala.. |
| 13:55.07 | liable | bah! |
| 13:55.20 | asg | liable: Koca Koala? |
| 13:55.39 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:55.41 | liable | yep, koala on crack! |
| 13:56.15 | liable | oh dear, was that a reference to barry manilow? |
| 13:56.28 | liable | !smack asg |
| 13:57.07 | asg | the only Manilow reference you'll ever hear me make is the one about drinking beer out of his hollowed out skull. |
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| 13:57.46 | liable | thats somewhat comforting, i guess.. |
| 13:58.47 | abrotman | asg: at the copa ? |
| 13:58.57 | asg | abrotman: at the cabo |
| 13:59.16 | abrotman | like sammy would even drink with your sorry ass .. he's way too cool |
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| 13:59.55 | asg | abrotman: I'll bribe him with my OU812 concert T? |
| 14:00.11 | abrotman | doubtful :) |
| 14:00.33 | Daveman | morning abrotman :) |
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| 14:00.43 | abrotman | hi |
| 14:00.54 | Daveman | greetings |
| 14:01.43 | gribozavr | hello |
| 14:01.56 | liable | oops, there goes sunday |
| 14:01.58 | gribozavr | can anyone tell me how to set up a debian etch mirror? |
| 14:02.07 | asg | liable: now we can have a group hug and a circle jerk |
| 14:02.10 | abrotman | setup your own .. or connect to one ? |
| 14:02.20 | gribozavr | setup my own |
| 14:02.31 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 14:02.31 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 14:02.38 | liable | asg: sure, just back up, and i'll reah round |
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| 14:02.54 | Mnabil | !apt-spy |
| 14:02.54 | dpkg | methinks apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 14:03.21 | Sirius_Black | hi guys, unstable user here - how do i install real player please |
| 14:03.51 | liable | Sirius_Black: its available from debian-multimeadia |
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| 14:04.21 | Sirius_Black | liable: how can i get the source.list line please for debian-multimedia? |
| 14:04.30 | liable | Sirius_Black: from google |
| 14:04.41 | Smerdyakov | After a upgrade, I think some default monospace font has become smaller. The font size has gone down in both emacs and xlock. I tried changing the default monospace font in Gnome settings, but that doesn't seem to change what emacs uses. Any suggestions? |
| 14:05.19 | abrotman | marillat packaged real playetr? |
| 14:05.30 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: cheers |
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| 14:06.05 | liable | abrotman: helix/real, yeah (unless my brain has betrayed me again) |
| 14:06.26 | abrotman | helix player is in debian already |
| 14:06.34 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: oh yes it is |
| 14:06.45 | Sirius_Black | i was apt-cache searching for realplayer |
| 14:06.49 | Sirius_Black | cheers guys |
| 14:06.57 | rpc | !install |
| 14:06.57 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 14:07.05 | rpc | err not that one |
| 14:07.49 | rpc | hmm what was that tool to guess not needed files or libs? |
| 14:08.06 | liable | abrotman: yes, he has packaged it |
| 14:08.19 | asg | rpc: deborphan |
| 14:08.27 | rpc | oh yes, thank you! |
| 14:08.32 | Sirius_Black | does helix play all the file formats that realplayer does? |
| 14:08.44 | k31th | Decent gui linux ftp client ? |
| 14:08.58 | liable | oxymoron? |
| 14:09.01 | Sirius_Black | k31th: gftp |
| 14:09.27 | k31th | gftp does not let me cut or copy and paste files into diff dirs on the server |
| 14:10.45 | Sirius_Black | k31th: yes it does |
| 14:11.35 | Sirius_Black | k31th: if you use firefox, and have the java stuff installed, then get firefox's CrossFTP extension |
| 14:11.36 | k31th | Sirius_Black: how |
| 14:11.39 | Sirius_Black | 'tis a great ftp client |
| 14:12.00 | k31th | Sirius_Black: ok great ill try the ff thing |
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| 14:12.18 | asg | !ftpmustdie |
| 14:12.18 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 14:12.34 | rpc | how can i find out all the files than belong to the xfree86 and get rid of them easily? |
| 14:12.46 | rpc | that's because i don't need to use X on the box |
| 14:12.52 | asg | rpc: /msg dpkg remove x |
| 14:13.01 | rpc | oh |
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| 14:13.22 | rpc | oh yes i did it already |
| 14:13.29 | rpc | but is that really it? no more libs and such? |
| 14:13.49 | rpc | that package was only 1.3MB in size while xfree86 takes alot of space |
| 14:14.10 | asg | rpc: are you running sarge? |
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| 14:14.30 | rpc | nope |
| 14:14.47 | asg | rpc: then remove x11-common also |
| 14:15.04 | rpc | and that's really it? |
| 14:15.17 | rpc | system is taking 650+ megs.. that's too much |
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| 14:15.38 | asg | rpc: there are probably non-X related package that are also installed. |
| 14:15.55 | rpc | i have no idea how to take a deep look tru all the stuff to find out how to remove at least 100-150MB of crap |
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| 14:17.11 | abrotman | deborphan |
| 14:17.19 | rpc | yes i did that |
| 14:17.23 | rpc | tried --all etc |
| 14:17.44 | asg | rpc: then back up your volatile data and reinstall with a more minimal set of packages |
| 14:17.52 | pourriture | If I am running the AMD64 port of of debian and am using a 32bit chroot to run OOO as per https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205 ... would it not be safer to to the bind mount on a subdirectory of /home as kind of a transfer directory between the real file system and the chroot? |
| 14:18.19 | pourriture | that way I wouldn't hose the whole home dir if the chroot gets deleted ... correct? |
| 14:18.35 | rpc | i considered that but still... |
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| 14:21.00 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 14:21.01 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
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| 14:21.52 | gribozavr | so, the apt-spy is the right way of keeping an updated "testing" mirror? |
| 14:21.58 | rpc | also the total size of filesystem minus used doesn't fit the shown avail. space... like 100MB short |
| 14:22.04 | rpc | what could it be? |
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| 14:22.48 | valdyn | rpc: files take their space plus half a block on average, not just their size |
| 14:23.11 | rpc | oh true that |
| 14:23.28 | rpc | but still... a hundred of megs of that? |
| 14:23.34 | rpc | it's a small filesystem |
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| 14:24.05 | valdyn | rpc: journal takes some space too |
| 14:24.25 | rpc | that could be it then |
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| 14:28.28 | Aeschylus | Hey, uh, is Debian good for older computers? |
| 14:28.36 | Aeschylus | I mean, like 400 mHz old? |
| 14:28.46 | dvs | Aeschylus: absolutely |
| 14:28.51 | rpc | of course! |
| 14:28.53 | Eclipser | 400MHz isn't old |
| 14:29.02 | Aeschylus | Okay, well, think really really old |
| 14:29.06 | dvs | Eclipser: middle age? |
| 14:29.15 | Aeschylus | I'll be working with recycled computers here. (haha dvs) |
| 14:29.33 | Aeschylus | but um, yeah. I'm trying to figure out which distro to use |
| 14:29.35 | Eclipser | I'd say my vic20 has started to become old lately |
| 14:29.42 | rpc | Eclipser he he |
| 14:29.55 | Aeschylus | I hear vectorlinux is great when it comes to speed, but debian is much more dependable I know. |
| 14:30.05 | rpc | just use debian |
| 14:30.08 | rpc | you will like it |
| 14:30.26 | abrotman | Aeschylus: how much RAM? |
| 14:30.49 | Aeschylus | It's going to vary, but think low. Low as in something that was mediocre 8 years ago. |
| 14:31.06 | abrotman | 64MB at least i hope |
| 14:31.07 | Eclipser | my laptop has 64MB and it runs debian very fine |
| 14:31.26 | pourriture | 8 years ago was first gen p-ii with 32 megs (ish) |
| 14:31.29 | liable | hrm, is debian becoming the 'second hand computer' distro? |
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| 14:32.43 | Aeschylus | Well, it's a fine distro in a general perspective. I'm just wondering whether it would do well as one... |
| 14:33.31 | Aeschylus | If it works fine on 64 MB, it probably does fine on 32 MB too. |
| 14:33.31 | abrotman | Aeschylus: i have debian running on some older hardare .. works fine |
| 14:33.47 | Eclipser | Aeschylus, depends on the software you use of course |
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| 14:34.08 | abrotman | probably avoid anything Eclipser has been writing |
| 14:34.16 | Aeschylus | Yeah... so would I have to do some stripping down from the default installation? |
| 14:34.24 | rpc | i wouldn't use 32MB for xfree86 |
| 14:34.26 | Aeschylus | I mean, we'll use a minimal WM like IceWM of course. |
| 14:34.30 | rpc | 64 would be fine though |
| 14:34.36 | Eclipser | abrotman, huh? |
| 14:35.51 | liable | its all fucking irrelevent unless you say what you want to install. sure, 32M will install, but will it run a WM? will it run foo + bar at the same time? who knows? but it will install and run in a console |
| 14:36.27 | nokrev | I'm very new to this. Would it be reasonable to upgrade from XFree86 to Xorg? |
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| 14:36.41 | valdyn | nokrev: for what? |
| 14:37.00 | nokrev | Uh, having trouble getting XFree86 to work with my nvidia, so I was gonna see if Xorg was any easier. |
| 14:37.03 | Aeschylus | Probably just a minimal WM and small apps. The goal is to get the computer functional, with some basic GUI apps. |
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| 14:37.28 | valdyn | nokrev: using nvidias installer? |
| 14:37.40 | Eclipser | you'd probably be better of with CLI's and TUIs but some GUIs might actually work :) |
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| 14:37.50 | Aeschylus | The people who will be using it won't be familiar with the command line, so :/ |
| 14:38.14 | Aeschylus | I guess I'll give it a shot for a few computers. |
| 14:39.27 | xingu | Aeschylus: 32MB is about enough to bootstrap a sane userland and a graphical head; you start throwing local applications into the mix and you'll spend most of your time swapping; I'd seriously suggest reading up on ltsp |
| 14:40.00 | nokrev | valdyn: I've followed this: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html It starts correctly, and I'll see the nvidia screen, and it will then progress to where I can see the mouse, and then fail repeatedly. I'm betting it's related to the fact that `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` fails. |
| 14:40.43 | Aeschylus | this isn't going to be on a network, so the thin server idea doesn't quite work. |
| 14:40.44 | valdyn | !nvidia wiki |
| 14:40.44 | wols_ | nokrev: how does dpkg-reconfigure "fail"? |
| 14:40.50 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 14:40.50 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 14:40.57 | xingu | Aeschylus: and I say this as someone who has run an 8MB debian system |
| 14:41.06 | valdyn | nokrev: using xorg doesnt make that any easier |
| 14:41.22 | Fke | can i format my flash drive as ext3 and run nix on it? is it possible? |
| 14:41.26 | nokrev | valdyn: yes, I've read that several times now. Ok, By lunitik's suggestion, I'll try etch. |
| 14:41.36 | valdyn | nokrev: nor does etch |
| 14:41.44 | Aeschylus | Really, I guess what I'll do is just try out debian and some other things and if debian can independently work as a machine with a WM, I'll stick with it. |
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| 14:41.56 | xingu | Aeschylus: the people who are running standalone 32MB clients will not thank you for it; as a console basic C development world, yes, as a network appliance, yes, as a ~moderately rich userland - no |
| 14:42.11 | abrotman | blackbox and X3! |
| 14:42.11 | Traveler0 | hi all |
| 14:42.17 | lunitik | valdyn: both are more recent... |
| 14:42.40 | asg | abrotman: I have a GXa that still runs X3 |
| 14:42.47 | Aeschylus | Hrm. Well thank you for your encouragement. :/ |
| 14:42.48 | Traveler0 | can u help me identify where could the java applets cache folder be on a common linux distribution ? |
| 14:42.48 | lunitik | valdyn: Using old software with new hardware is just a battle... |
| 14:43.00 | valdyn | lunitik: so? |
| 14:43.35 | valdyn | lunitik: this is just about nvidias driver, we dont know which driver he's using ( probably the one from sarge ), we dont know which card he has. |
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| 14:43.45 | lunitik | valdyn: so... you should stop arguing, and move on the the next person... etch is better for a desktop... etch is what he will try. |
| 14:43.51 | Aeschylus | Once again, this has turned out to be too much of a gray area; if it doesn't work out in practice, I just won't do it. Topic closed :| |
| 14:44.14 | Aeschylus | But I'm pretty sure most will be 64MB+, so little problem anyway. |
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| 14:44.36 | nokrev | Well, I've tried the guide I linked to, for Sarge, and a GeForce FX 5200. But that shouldn't matter. Anyways, continue and I'll try to continue working on it. |
| 14:44.44 | lunitik | valdyn: you wonder why Debian is "becoming the second hand distro" ... its because the stable software is so old... |
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| 14:44.47 | Traveler0 | hi everybody, can u help me identify where could a java applets cache folder be on a common linux distribution, or at least on debian ? |
| 14:44.59 | abrotman | lunitik: etch runs on a 486 .. quit trolling |
| 14:45.14 | valdyn | lunitik: far as i know sarge supports an nvidia fx 5200 just fine |
| 14:45.37 | abrotman | nv driver does |
| 14:45.45 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 14:45.45 | dpkg | [sarge hardware support] reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 14:45.50 | Rusty1 | Aeschylus: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ , a good place to start |
| 14:46.00 | lunitik | abrotman: not trolling... just not in the mood to argue... hoping he'll figure out I don't care about his argument... |
| 14:46.09 | abrotman | because you're wrong ? |
| 14:46.20 | nokrev | I can assure you nothing I have is anything nearly new. |
| 14:46.56 | lunitik | abrotman: because he won't agree... and I'll never advise Sarge on a desktop |
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| 14:47.07 | valdyn | nokrev: i need more information to be of serious use, like your XFree86.0.log. |
| 14:47.11 | Aeschylus | Yeah, I've looked at that a bit and it looks good. I'm looking at Debian also though. Once I sort of figure out the larger distros flexibility, I'll use a super-minimal distro on everything below thtat. |
| 14:47.11 | abrotman | lunitik: then you're a tard |
| 14:47.16 | victori_ | apt: is what type of bot? blootbot? |
| 14:47.30 | Aeschylus | s/thtat/that/ |
| 14:47.33 | lunitik | abrotman: excuse me? I'm a tard because Sarge is crap as a desktop? |
| 14:47.41 | nokrev | valdyn: thanks for offering; I'll try debugging for a bit longer. |
| 14:47.49 | abrotman | lunitik: yes |
| 14:48.01 | azeem | sarge is reasonably ok as a desktop |
| 14:48.08 | azeem | I use it everyday at work |
| 14:48.12 | abrotman | lunitik: what is *wrong* with it ? |
| 14:48.21 | lunitik | abrotman: ok... I got better things to do... you have fun believing that... later |
| 14:48.23 | abrotman | and if you say "too old" .. i'll call you a tard again :) |
| 14:48.33 | abrotman | oh .. see .. he has no real argument .. |
| 14:48.33 | azeem | woody was a different matter, of course |
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| 14:48.54 | abrotman | he just storms off .. whining as usual :) |
| 14:49.03 | lunitik | All points can be countered too easily... whats the point? |
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| 14:49.19 | abrotman | see .. he doesn't even try ... |
| 14:49.25 | Covener | abrotman: looks like a concession to me |
| 14:49.26 | Aeschylus | lunitik: the righteous are not afraid to argue. |
| 14:49.34 | lunitik | It'll just come down to who has more time on their hands... and I got breakfast on the way... |
| 14:49.42 | findme | which file to download for bittorrent search |
| 14:49.43 | Aeschylus | If you were correct you would be able to win an argument, theoretically. |
| 14:50.00 | abrotman | Aeschylus: that's why he's going to go stuff his face :) |
| 14:50.02 | outlaw84 | My internal NIC is apperantly broken... where do I change so that the boot-scripts bring up eth1 instead eth0 ? |
| 14:50.08 | valdyn | findme: bittorrent search? what is that? |
| 14:50.13 | asg | outlaw84: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:50.16 | abrotman | outlaw84: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 14:50.27 | abrotman | outlaw84: or change the module loading order |
| 14:50.27 | Fke | lilo is dead? |
| 14:50.37 | abrotman | Fke: /j #freenode |
| 14:50.48 | Fke | /j #freenode |
| 14:51.02 | findme | valdyn, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/bittorrent |
| 14:51.03 | abrotman | /join #freenode ? |
| 14:51.09 | asg | !comfort abrotman |
| 14:51.09 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 14:51.34 | Fke | lol, im messin with you |
| 14:51.44 | abrotman | asg: wanna make out? :) |
| 14:51.44 | nokrev | Oh, Etch uses X.org? According to the Debian wiki article. |
| 14:51.45 | xingu | outlaw84: if you were feeling really tricky and using a 2.6/udev userland - etc etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 14:51.46 | valdyn | findme: thats about the 'bittorrent' package, no idea what that has to do with search |
| 14:51.49 | lunitik | abrotman: my argument: what dist do you use on your desktop? oh its not sarge... I win |
| 14:51.51 | azeem | Fke: that's not nice |
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| 14:52.05 | abrotman | lunitik: yes .. at work i do .. you lose |
| 14:52.05 | xingu | outlaw84: and bind eth1's MAC addr as as eth0 netdev and vice-versa |
| 14:52.11 | Covener | lunitik: i thought you were off somewhere crying into cornflakes? |
| 14:52.12 | asg | abrotman: last time we did, I got the clap |
| 14:52.12 | abrotman | thought so |
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| 14:52.25 | abrotman | asg: how's that working out for you? :) |
| 14:52.35 | lunitik | abrotman: at work? because you can't convince them to use unstable/testing in the office more than likely, rather than choice |
| 14:52.42 | asg | abrotman: gives me an excuse to take a sick day more often |
| 14:52.47 | abrotman | lunitik: no .. because i choose too ... now piss off and die |
| 14:52.53 | SeanTater | I have 2 video cards, one PCI and one onboard. Is there a way I can use the onboard one without removing the pci one? |
| 14:52.55 | abrotman | s/too/to/ |
| 14:53.03 | lunitik | Covener: cooked breakfast... and she's not done cooking :/ |
| 14:53.04 | valdyn | i dont really see why i would recomment anyone a reinstall when the error seems to be easily fixable within the currently used system ( hell even if that was hamm ) |
| 14:53.12 | abrotman | asg: don't tell the wife |
| 14:53.23 | asg | abrotman: she's at a renfest anyway |
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| 14:53.25 | lunitik | abrotman: too many o's btw |
| 14:53.27 | abrotman | lunitik: you're wrong .. as usual .. go eat your food |
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| 14:53.42 | abrotman | lunitik: check the next line i said .. |
| 14:53.53 | abrotman | asg: again ? |
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| 14:54.14 | Entheogen | guys, I need little help :) |
| 14:54.17 | asg | abrotman: girls day out apparently. |
| 14:54.17 | lunitik | abrotman: I did... after I sent... oh well |
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| 14:54.23 | asg | Entheogen: man less |
| 14:54.24 | Entheogen | how can I mount mp3 player with regular user |
| 14:54.29 | abrotman | asg: why didn't you go ? |
| 14:54.31 | Entheogen | mount: only root can mount /dev/sdb1 on /media/mp3 |
| 14:54.33 | asg | Entheogen: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 14:54.46 | asg | abrotman: I have to do work |
| 14:54.51 | valdyn | Entheogen: add an entry in /etc/fstab, 'user' should be one of the options |
| 14:54.53 | abrotman | asg: work work? or house work ? |
| 14:55.04 | asg | abrotman: bit of both |
| 14:55.09 | abrotman | eww |
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| 14:55.17 | abrotman | asg: you should have spoopin come over and play! |
| 14:55.27 | asg | abrotman: tomorrow, we'll do lunch |
| 14:55.36 | Entheogen | i've added uid and gid in fstab |
| 14:55.38 | abrotman | but i'm not in NC! |
| 14:55.38 | Entheogen | but still nothing |
| 14:55.50 | valdyn | Entheogen: i said 'user' |
| 14:55.53 | Entheogen | oh |
| 14:55.54 | Entheogen | ok |
| 14:55.56 | asg | abrotman: I meant spoopin and I |
| 14:55.57 | valdyn | Entheogen: gid and uid do not affect who can mount |
| 14:56.15 | Covener | abrotman: no deep-fried coca cola for you then |
| 14:56.19 | abrotman | asg: oh i see .. you just used me to get the clap! |
| 14:56.24 | Entheogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.26 | Entheogen | thanks valdyn |
| 14:56.35 | asg | abrotman: of course |
| 14:56.38 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 14:58.24 | asg | abrotman: mmmm beer |
| 14:58.40 | abrotman | asg: i have none! |
| 14:58.51 | abrotman | i have .. wine ... |
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| 14:59.05 | asg | abrotman: alky |
| 14:59.34 | abrotman | asg: at least it's not manachscvits |
| 14:59.40 | abrotman | or however it's spelled :) |
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| 15:00.01 | asg | abrotman: :) |
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| 15:03.15 | k31th | php.net down for you guys / |
| 15:03.17 | k31th | ? |
| 15:03.32 | abrotman | apparently .. ask #php |
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| 15:08.30 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:08.30 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 15:08.37 | dvs | mmmmmmmmmm beef |
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| 15:10.07 | dvs | doh! |
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| 15:14.12 | Bushmills | nokrev: should be about same effort |
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| 15:14.27 | nokrev | Bushmills: hmmm? |
| 15:14.42 | the-tux | something special to know if i want to install the nvidia driver on testing |
| 15:14.56 | asg | the-tux: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 15:15.17 | Bushmills | nokrev: sorry, irc client was on backlog. 30 min back, your xfree or xorg for nvidia question |
| 15:15.37 | nokrev | Bushmills: oh, ok. No problem, thanks for the response. |
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| 15:17.57 | SeanTater | I have an asus pundit, with SIS composite video out. I'm using etch and I'd like to utilize that. How can I do that? |
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| 15:18.24 | Extrarius | Is there an easy way to set up a crosscompile from windows targetting the latest stable debian? (same cpu family on each machine, just differing OS) |
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| 15:19.23 | teledyn | is there a way to list not only installed packages but also the mirror they came from? |
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| 15:21.53 | cyzie | hi, how can i get all the packages i install on my debian ? |
| 15:21.59 | cyzie | i need the packages name |
| 15:22.32 | Trae | It has been about 3 years since I ran Debian full time. I've been using Ubuntu, and this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/22336 Has caused me to seek out a replacement for Ubuntu. I figured I might try and go back to Debian. |
| 15:22.37 | Trae | eek |
| 15:22.58 | the-tux | nvidia-kernel is ignored |
| 15:23.00 | Trae | oh that must be a bug with xchat heh, I couldn't read the text after I hit enter. |
| 15:23.09 | the-tux | but i got nonfree in sources |
| 15:23.13 | asg | cyzie: dpkg -l | egrep '^[hi]i' |
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| 15:23.55 | cyzie | thanks asg |
| 15:24.06 | Trae | at any rate, Does one still get pummeled with thousands of questions during a debian install as we used to get in the olden days? Is there a way around this, so it doesn't prompt you to configure every single bit of software during an install, just accept defaults and go on? |
| 15:24.21 | azeem | Trae: no |
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| 15:24.34 | Mark_K | Somebody knows the programs for graphic display of the system monitoring |
| 15:24.37 | azeem | it's much easier these days |
| 15:24.37 | asg | Trae: the sarge install is 13 questions in most cases |
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| 15:24.55 | Trae | hmm |
| 15:25.25 | Trae | I'm going to attempt to run unstable. I know that's "bad" but... I used to run unstable back in the day[tm] |
| 15:25.26 | Trae | heh |
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| 15:25.45 | Trae | was thiking I should be able to go from the testing cd and upgrade to unstable |
| 15:26.08 | cyzie | asg, just curious, what does this [hi]i means? |
| 15:26.23 | Trae | ok, well, ISO is done dl'ing :) |
| 15:26.28 | asg | cyzie: packages that are installed and also onces that are on hold (if any) |
| 15:27.00 | Trae | oh |
| 15:27.03 | Trae | I know the question I had |
| 15:27.08 | Trae | I have ipw2200 |
| 15:27.23 | asg | Trae: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 15:27.24 | Trae | wireless card. Is there a way to do the netinst install using that network? |
| 15:27.39 | cyzie | asg, my main purpose is that, i wanna reinstall debian on new hdd, so i figure out to get all my package name to a list, then after i install netinst, i just apt-get all of packages from the list i save earlier. is that command you have given answer my question? |
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| 15:28.00 | asg | cyzie: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 15:28.46 | Trae | asg, another stuipd quesiton, is the testing kernel 2.6.x ? |
| 15:28.55 | asg | Trae: yes |
| 15:28.58 | Trae | ahh ok. |
| 15:29.01 | cyzie | thanks asg ! very helpfull :) |
| 15:29.03 | asg | Trae: 2.6.17 at last look |
| 15:29.07 | Trae | asg tx for your time :) |
| 15:29.12 | asg | Trae: even the stable sarge release comes with 2.6.8 |
| 15:29.16 | asg | cyzie: you're welcome |
| 15:29.32 | Mark_K | Somebody knows the programs for graphic display of the system monitoring for gnome |
| 15:29.45 | asg | Mark_K: gkrellm[2] |
| 15:29.58 | Mark_K | thenk |
| 15:30.03 | Bushmills | Mark_K: gnome-system-monitor ? |
| 15:30.26 | Trae | asg: You don't know of any bugs like this in Debian currently do you? https://launchpad.net/bugs/22336 |
| 15:30.57 | Trae | laptop overheats with Ubuntu after virtually ANY measurable cpu usage |
| 15:31.00 | Trae | quite a nasty bug |
| 15:31.10 | asg | Trae: Those will be kernel specific. For what it's worth, I haven't seen that issue myself. |
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| 15:31.19 | Trae | k |
| 15:31.21 | wrabbit^ | Hey guys, just a simple question. Anybody able to run Debian on a T20 thinkpad with little issues? Downloading the minimal net install now. |
| 15:31.33 | Trae | wrabbit^, hmm I have a T20 here |
| 15:31.43 | Trae | wrabbit^, my LCD screen on it died |
| 15:31.44 | Trae | heh |
| 15:32.00 | asg | wrabbit^: the IBM laptops are generally well supported. tuxmobile.org has more info. |
| 15:32.13 | asg | wrabbit^: my R40 ran with no issue at all (sarge and OpenBSD) |
| 15:32.18 | Trae | wrabbit^, but iirc, I had Debian running on it for a long time with no problem. |
| 15:32.36 | Trae | wrabbit^, good luck to you! |
| 15:32.38 | wrabbit^ | Alrighty.... I'll finish off the download and give it a shot. |
| 15:32.39 | wrabbit^ | Thanks |
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| 15:41.14 | teledyn_ | i wonder if i found the source of the crashes |
| 15:41.44 | teledyn_ | it could be the old madwifi driver i was using |
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| 15:44.03 | teledyn_ | whew |
| 15:45.02 | Jhonny1009 | hello all, i'm just installing debian, and I have only the first CD. can I INstall Gnome? |
| 15:45.38 | GrimWald | if you can connect to the internet, yes |
| 15:45.41 | asg | Jhonny1009: /msg dpkg cd contents (Gnome may be contained on the 1st CD these days) |
| 15:45.50 | nokrev | Is there anything like DeepFreeze (which resets the hd every reboot) for Linux? I was considering just making an empty folder on boot, and then deleting it on shut-down, and mounting everything else read-only (or, lacking permissions), but is there a better way to do it? |
| 15:46.16 | nokrev | #linux |
| 15:46.19 | nokrev | woops |
| 15:46.22 | Jhonny1009 | nokrev, limux is kind of Deep Freeze :) |
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| 15:46.41 | Jhonny1009 | aslong as you don't log in as root |
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| 15:47.36 | nokrev | Hmm… hehe, well, the thing is, the school wants users to be able to download things to the desktop, just not have it stay there when the next person logs on. This question isn't generic to Debian (it'll probably end up being openSUSE, using the Novell Client), but i figured y'all might have a solution. |
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| 15:48.37 | Jhonny1009 | I asked that question before.. I like deep freeze to :), I searched for it to, but it seems there is no such thing for linux |
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| 15:48.51 | asg | nokrev: you might investigate various copy-on-write technologies (fl-cow for instance) |
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| 15:49.13 | nokrev | asg: hmm, I've never seen that. Thanks. :) |
| 15:49.25 | Jhonny1009 | ok.. I just installed debian .. how do I start the graphical interface? |
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| 15:49.57 | Jhonny1009 | startx doesn't work |
| 15:50.00 | GrimWald | have you installed the X server yet ? |
| 15:50.36 | Jhonny1009 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.40 | GrimWald | ok |
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| 15:50.55 | Jhonny1009 | how can I find out if I sintalled x sever? |
| 15:50.56 | GrimWald | so you need to install X : apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 15:51.07 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: may be "sudo apt-get install <you_favourite_desktop> |
| 15:51.09 | asg | Jhonny1009: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 15:51.10 | GrimWald | or apt-get install xserver-xfree86 (depends on your version) |
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| 15:51.32 | Loevborg | Is there a way to install debian w/o wasting a cdr? |
| 15:51.51 | asg | Loevborg: do a netinstall with floppies or net boot |
| 15:52.04 | nokrev | a USB thumb? |
| 15:52.16 | Jhonny1009 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.32 | Jhonny1009 | asg : it says "No such file or directory" |
| 15:52.35 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: oh! |
| 15:52.58 | GrimWald | how did you install debian ? |
| 15:53.15 | Jhonny1009 | of of the cd.. first cd |
| 15:53.18 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: i guess you used cd1, |
| 15:53.29 | h3sp4wn | Loevborg: debootstrap from any live cd |
| 15:53.29 | Jhonny1009 | yes, the only one I have |
| 15:53.35 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: apt-get install gnome |
| 15:53.49 | Loevborg | h3sp4wn, ah yes, I already have ubuntu running |
| 15:53.49 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: I had gnome on mine.. |
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| 15:54.06 | asg | Jhonny1009: you type that in your irc client, our bot will give you information |
| 15:54.26 | Jhonny1009 | hmm.. lemme try |
| 15:54.31 | Jhonny1009 | apt-get install gnome |
| 15:55.02 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: sudo apt-get install gnome |
| 15:55.45 | nokrev | Hmmm, ZFS might also be interesting, for my purposes. I wonder if it's possible to get it to work with something other than Solaris? |
| 15:56.15 | abrotman | nokrev: check the FUSE website |
| 15:56.22 | abrotman | !zfs |
| 15:56.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, zfs is http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
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| 15:56.50 | nokrev | thanks |
| 15:57.29 | Extrarius | Is there an easy way to set up gcc to crosscompile targetting debian? |
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| 15:58.30 | GrimWald | i'll ask my question there, cuz it seems that nobody wanna speak on #debian-fr (so excuse my english). I reinstalled my whole system yesterday with sarge (2.6.8-3). After the base-config, i tried to dist-upgrade to unstable (kernel 2.6.18-1). My problem is that I can't access to my LAN with this new kernel (but I can with 2.6.8). But it'd be stupid to stay with unstable on 2.6.8... Whatever, b44 module seems to be correc |
| 15:58.30 | GrimWald | tly loaded on both kernels and recognizes my ethernet card |
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| 15:58.54 | GrimWald | does somebody have an idea of what's goin on ? |
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| 16:00.21 | Jhonny1009 | sudharsh: I restarted and tried that "apt-get install gnome" but it says that package gnome is not available " |
| 16:00.58 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: whats in your sources.list it would be great if you paste it somewhere |
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| 16:01.36 | asg | Jhonny1009: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 16:02.20 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: 'sudo apt-cdrom add' and add the cd1 |
| 16:04.39 | Jhonny1009 | asg: "/msg : no such file or directory" |
| 16:04.44 | Jhonny1009 | sudharsh:sudo :command not found |
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| 16:05.02 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: oh...sorry...you gotta be root |
| 16:05.07 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: su |
| 16:05.08 | Jhonny1009 | i am |
| 16:05.16 | asg | !tell Jhonny1009 about install gnome |
| 16:05.28 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: then never mind sudo..it isnt necessary |
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| 16:07.46 | jhjp | hello everybody |
| 16:08.27 | Jhonny1009 | hmm.... I'm going to install it agin and see what packages I can choose :(.. |
| 16:08.35 | Jhonny1009 | is there a graphicall install mode? |
| 16:08.47 | wrabbit^ | isn't gnome, apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment ? |
| 16:09.09 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 16:09.09 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 16:09.15 | wrabbit^ | try that. When in doubt, apt-cache search ......... |
| 16:09.28 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: dude did you try apt-cdrom add..post the errors if any |
| 16:09.34 | Anarka | GrimWald any errors ? |
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| 16:10.11 | Jhonny1009 | sudharsh :ok.. it worked.. now what? |
| 16:10.24 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: added the cdrom? |
| 16:10.30 | Jhonny1009 | yes |
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| 16:11.29 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: then proceed with the apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 16:11.36 | jhjp | i have a problem: i want to build a little server: samba, ftp, apache, mysql, ssh - and nothing else! How can i uninstall all the needless packages??? |
| 16:11.36 | nokrev | I'm having a conflict with rivafb and the nvidia drivers (having rivafb prevents `m-a auto-install nvidia`), and I'm betting this is a common problem. Is there any common solution? |
| 16:12.08 | nokrev | Oh, forgot to mention, this only occurs in etch |
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| 16:14.11 | Jhonny1009 | sudharsh:hehe.. it worked.. it's dooing something :) |
| 16:14.18 | Jhonny1009 | tganks |
| 16:14.28 | sudharsh | Jhonny1009: no problem :D |
| 16:14.29 | jhjp | couldn't anyone help me *cry* |
| 16:14.50 | sudharsh | jhjp: needless packages like what |
| 16:15.07 | jhjp | gnome, kde, printing system x.org... |
| 16:15.32 | jhjp | i only want samba, ftp, apache, mysql, ssh |
| 16:15.55 | sudharsh | jhjp: are they already installed? |
| 16:16.00 | jhjp | yes |
| 16:16.09 | Anarka | how were they installed ? |
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| 16:16.30 | Anarka | but... something like apt-get --purge remove gnome* |
| 16:16.39 | Anarka | apt-get --purge remove kde* |
| 16:16.47 | jhjp | I installed Ubuntu via the network installation -> automatically it has installed a complete system |
| 16:16.56 | Anarka | ahhh ubuntu... |
| 16:16.58 | sudharsh | jhjp: oh ok... |
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| 16:17.08 | cydork | jhjp, join #ubuntu then :) |
| 16:17.23 | sudharsh | jhjp: maybe #ubuntu then.. |
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| 16:18.13 | jhjp | but I thought the debian peoble are more polite :) |
| 16:18.27 | Ox0F0-0FF | jhjp, I'm curious.... what makes so dificult to understand that to get help about #ubuntu, you have to join #ubuntu, not #debian ? debian is NOT ubuntu.... So.... Why is this soooooo difficult ? |
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| 16:18.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | jhjp, debian people are very polite and very helpful.... about debian |
| 16:18.57 | Anarka | ;) |
| 16:19.24 | jhjp | oh ok |
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| 16:20.07 | Ox0F0-0FF | Still, I'm curious since you're not the first to do this |
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| 16:20.34 | Anarka | eventually everyone returns home :P |
| 16:20.40 | Ox0F0-0FF | Even reading the topic would have told you.... "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" |
| 16:20.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | It's CLEARLY stated in the topic |
| 16:20.50 | asg | Ox0F0-0FF: people never read the /topic |
| 16:20.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | they should |
| 16:21.04 | asg | indeed |
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| 16:21.29 | jhjp | good to know, that all my prejudice about linux people has been approved :) |
| 16:21.29 | asg | Ox0F0-0FF: it would be a right hack to only give voice after reading the /topic |
| 16:21.31 | Ox0F0-0FF | especialy when it is about asking about an OT think |
| 16:21.51 | jhjp | bye |
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| 16:21.59 | Anarka | jhjp don't call it prejudice... you don't see any slackware users asking for help here |
| 16:22.05 | Anarka | ohhh |
| 16:22.13 | asg | Anarka: slackware users generally have some clue |
| 16:22.24 | Trewas | having sometimes idled in #ubuntu I guess they have to come here, that channel is no help to anyone if the problem is not one of the current top-ten problems :) |
| 16:22.41 | Anarka | asg i know alot that install slack or gentoo just because they want something hard |
| 16:22.50 | Ox0F0-0FF | asg, actually, it's easy /msg dpkg $wordoftheday where $wordoftheday is hidden in the topic :) |
| 16:22.55 | asg | Anarka: if they wanted something hard, there's always LFS |
| 16:22.58 | Anarka | and most of them never used linux or used little |
| 16:23.00 | asg | Anarka: though it isn't that hard |
| 16:23.33 | GrimWald | Anarka> GrimWald any errors ? << sorry, no no errors i load the module, i start the network, and all happens as if it works, but i can't ping anyone on my network (and i'm sending ARP's without any response) |
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| 16:24.53 | Anarka | GrimWald and network works with the 2.6.8 kernel but not the 2.6.18 !? |
| 16:24.55 | Anarka | weird |
| 16:25.06 | Anarka | the dist-uphgrade went without errors ? |
| 16:25.10 | Anarka | upgrade |
| 16:25.31 | GrimWald | no |
| 16:25.51 | GrimWald | and yes, it works with the .8 and not with .18 |
| 16:25.56 | GrimWald | annoying for unstable :/ |
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| 16:29.38 | Anarka | GrimWald and when you do /etc/init.d/network restart you dont get any errors ? |
| 16:29.57 | Gnurdux | isnt it networking? |
| 16:30.03 | Anarka | ehehe |
| 16:30.04 | Gnurdux | /etc/init.d/networking ? |
| 16:30.05 | Anarka | yeah ;) |
| 16:30.23 | Gnurdux | i remember that getting me stuf a couple months ago |
| 16:30.28 | Gnurdux | it used to be network i think |
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| 16:30.39 | GrimWald | yes i did |
| 16:30.39 | Anarka | i always say network :) |
| 16:30.59 | GrimWald | and as i said, all's happening as if it works |
| 16:31.10 | GrimWald | firt it said "link is not ready" |
| 16:31.20 | GrimWald | and then, "link is up, full 100mbps etc..." |
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| 16:32.38 | GrimWald | and another thing i can't understand |
| 16:32.41 | GrimWald | when i type ifconfig |
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| 16:32.58 | GrimWald | it's wrote i exchanged 24 packets without errors |
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| 16:39.56 | Jhonny1009 | ok, I installed gnome.. how can I start it :) ? |
| 16:40.08 | Trae | asg hey there, wasn't I talking to you a bit ago? |
| 16:40.29 | asg | Trae: yes |
| 16:40.40 | Trae | asg I'm afraid that Debian suffers from the same laptop overheating bug that Ubuntu does. (perhaps it's inherited from Deiban) |
| 16:40.41 | itchi | Is the postgres user made after we install postgre? I have an user like that but not know the password of it. I also not see any informations about the default password for that user. Or need i to define it? |
| 16:40.51 | itchi | Jhonny1009: Are you running gdm? |
| 16:41.06 | Jhonny1009 | I don't khow what gdm is |
| 16:41.10 | Trae | asg I've used Gentoo on this same laptop (and it's compiled for hours, and hours, and hours *sigh*) and it never overheats. Mandriva 2007 works too. |
| 16:41.12 | asg | Trae: could be it might be worth compiling a vanilla kernel from kernel.org to see if similar things happen. |
| 16:41.15 | itchi | Jhonny1009: Just log out and login again be selecting session 'gnome'?? |
| 16:41.22 | Trae | but dangit, I prefer an apt based system :( |
| 16:41.38 | itchi | Jhonny1009: When you start the computer, there is an login screen displayed? |
| 16:41.43 | asg | Trae: you can compile a vanilla kernel and package it (/msg dpkg kp) |
| 16:41.43 | Jhonny1009 | itchi: i'm in text mode :( .. I 'l restart |
| 16:42.04 | Trae | asg I'm a graphics person, It's been years and years since I've messed with a kernle |
| 16:42.07 | Trae | heh |
| 16:42.22 | Trae | it was painful dealing with the gentoo kernel |
| 16:42.27 | Trae | and someone had to hold my hand on it |
| 16:42.40 | Trae | at any rate. |
| 16:42.47 | asg | Trae: you might also try the 2.4.x kernel if you are using sarge |
| 16:43.01 | Trae | asg tx again for your time. |
| 16:43.11 | asg | Trae: also, if your thingpad supports APM, try booting with acpi=off |
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| 16:43.16 | Jhonny1009 | itchi: I restarted and I got into text mode again .. how can it show me the login screen? |
| 16:43.23 | kristalino | hi. Does anyone have an aiptek 12000 u ? |
| 16:43.53 | itchi | Jhonny1009: Want you that GUI login screen? apt-get install gdm |
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| 16:44.19 | enouf | Trae : curiously what laptop make/model? |
| 16:44.21 | itchi | Jhonny1009: Maybe, some start x manually and not like somethings like gdm. But everyone take his choices |
| 16:44.32 | asg | enouf: Thinkpad T20 |
| 16:44.34 | Trae | hp dv4150us |
| 16:44.40 | enouf | hah! |
| 16:44.45 | asg | Trae: thought you said you had a TP? |
| 16:44.46 | Trae | asg no, I was helping someone else earlier that had the T20 |
| 16:44.47 | enouf | to asg :-) |
| 16:44.49 | Trae | heh |
| 16:44.54 | asg | Trae: ah, okay |
| 16:44.57 | Trae | ;) |
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| 16:45.06 | Trae | I mean, I don't mean to rant, but this really stinks |
| 16:45.22 | asg | Trae: did you check out tuxmobile.org for your brand? |
| 16:45.37 | enouf | Trae .. so what CPU is in it? and does it have SpeedStep/Cool-n-Quiet? |
| 16:45.45 | Trae | asg no, but again, Gentoo, and Mandriva 2007 work just fine on this laptop. |
| 16:45.52 | asg | Supaplex: after last night's tacos, I'll need it |
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| 16:45.57 | Trae | if you call rpm based systems "fine" |
| 16:46.02 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 16:46.03 | Trae | they drive me insane |
| 16:46.08 | asg | Trae: yes but they have kernel patches and tweaks that Debian probably doesn't have. |
| 16:46.11 | Supaplex | !insult rpms |
| 16:46.12 | dpkg | rpms is nothing but a lumpish stack of impure chicken piss |
| 16:46.19 | Trae | asg nor Ubuntu apparently |
| 16:46.30 | Trae | enouf hmm it's a M 1.6G |
| 16:46.35 | Trae | centrino |
| 16:46.41 | asg | Trae: well, Ubuntu's kernels are basically Debian's unstable kernels 6 months ago + a few other patches. |
| 16:46.47 | Trae | asg nod |
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| 16:47.06 | Trae | asg Breezy used to work just fine on that laptop. |
| 16:47.07 | Supaplex | it's training with an extra training wheel |
| 16:47.09 | enouf | Trae: PentiumM that is .. centrino is a [TM] which includs the Chipset/Video and usually Wireless |
| 16:47.20 | Trae | enouf yessir |
| 16:47.29 | enouf | Trae: and a marketing ploy :-) |
| 16:47.34 | Trae | heh |
| 16:47.44 | Trae | meh, It's money I've spent... |
| 16:47.52 | Trae | Now I am caught between a rock and a hardplace |
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| 16:48.01 | Trae | change how I think and use my computer and use a different distro |
| 16:48.07 | enouf | Trae : suggest you compare kernel config files for supporting the Speedstep feature that Intel offers |
| 16:48.07 | Trae | or suffer with a cripled machine |
| 16:48.10 | psychonate | eh, I'm not very familiar with this CIDR notation, so tell me If I've got this wrong: 192.168.1.0/24 = basically 192.168.1.x |
| 16:48.22 | Trae | which what I've been doing for 6 months now... at the peril of my work I might add |
| 16:48.25 | asg | psychonate: that's correct for a class C |
| 16:48.43 | psychonate | asg, well I believe class C is what I want; if it's not, I haven't a clue why |
| 16:48.43 | asg | psychonate: apt-get install ipcalc (much easier) |
| 16:48.47 | Trae | enouf I'm a graphics guy. I do CSS and Graphic Design. That stuffs way over my head |
| 16:49.02 | enouf | Trae: have you been to linuxlaptops? |
| 16:49.06 | Trae | I've been using Linux for 10 years exclusively, nothing else, and all that stuff is still difficult |
| 16:49.09 | enouf | !laptop |
| 16:49.09 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 16:49.13 | Trae | for me that is :) |
| 16:49.13 | psychonate | asg, what are the difference between the classes? |
| 16:49.18 | enouf | yes |
| 16:49.24 | psychonate | s/are/is |
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| 16:49.42 | Jhonny1009 | itchi: it doesn't work, it can't find the package.. it's not on the first cd.. i guess |
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| 16:49.49 | psychonate | asg, just the mask? |
| 16:49.50 | asg | psychonate: just the number of host vs. network bits on 8 bit boundaries traditionally. CIDR does away with all of that though. |
| 16:50.51 | Trae | enouf tuxmobil.org isn't responding btw. |
| 16:51.13 | enouf | Trae: I'm hitiing googler for ya :-) |
| 16:51.14 | asg | works fine from here |
| 16:51.14 | ma3x | how can I install wine to a specific directory. that means not to the default one - /home/ma3x/.wine |
| 16:51.21 | enouf | hitting |
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| 16:51.42 | Jhonny1009 | in the install procedure, when sellecting packages, how can I move a package from the uninstalled section to the installed section, 'g' didn't work |
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| 16:52.55 | Trae | odd |
| 16:53.08 | Trae | anyway, if you google for dv4150us Linux |
| 16:53.15 | Trae | you'll see my site listed a few times. |
| 16:53.15 | Hoxzer | <3 |
| 16:53.16 | Trae | occy.net |
| 16:53.23 | Hoxzer | it is so beautiful |
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| 16:53.51 | Supaplex | ma3x: be lazy, use a symlink |
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| 16:54.07 | ma3x | Supaplex: good idea, thanks! |
| 16:54.10 | Trae | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/22336 |
| 16:54.16 | Trae | this bug is a bear |
| 16:54.17 | Trae | heh |
| 16:54.18 | pelzi_ | for what purpose is the user backup? |
| 16:54.40 | Trae | the funny thing is, Novell's SLED has the same issues IIRC |
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| 16:54.57 | Trae | I don't think opensuse 10.1 does though. :/ |
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| 16:55.22 | Trae | but dangit, I don't want to run those systems, I use them for 2 or 3 hours and just go.... ummm where's apt. |
| 16:55.34 | Trae | :( |
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| 16:56.02 | Trae | any other debian based distro's that might have a different kernel? |
| 16:56.16 | Supaplex | apt: say Trae, here I am! |
| 16:56.18 | apt | Trae, here I am! |
| 16:56.19 | Trae | oh, and this is still broke in Edgy too |
| 16:56.27 | Trae | Supaplex heh |
| 16:56.32 | Supaplex | :P |
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| 16:57.01 | Trae | is there a bugzilla for debian? |
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| 16:57.09 | Supaplex | !bdo |
| 16:57.10 | dpkg | somebody said bdo was bugs.debian.org. before bitching in #debian, check to see if your bug is already filed |
| 16:58.01 | Supaplex | Trae: there's also the handy reportbug package. |
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| 16:59.27 | AlleyKat | ehh here I'd normally say 'hi', but this time I have to say 'wtf'... why is there a link in topic showing me a page with links to animal sex?? |
| 16:59.46 | AlleyKat | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:00.00 | asg | AlleyKat: that's tarzeau's wiki. It probably got cracked ... again |
| 17:00.05 | Supaplex | some hoser hosed the wiki |
| 17:00.14 | pelzi_ | how professional. |
| 17:00.33 | speeve1 | it is ok on my end |
| 17:00.39 | speeve1 | maybe it was already restored? |
| 17:00.55 | AlleyKat | no, I think it's the danish page which is hosed |
| 17:00.57 | asg | speeve1: some of the older links from the 'mad comment spam crack of 2004' were not fixed. |
| 17:01.04 | asg | AlleyKat: ^^ |
| 17:01.11 | AlleyKat | can I even see any content? All I get is a danish MoinMoin frontpage |
| 17:01.34 | Trae | http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6315 |
| 17:01.46 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:02.34 | AlleyKat | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ForSide - is what I get, not sure where to go... |
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| 17:04.35 | AlleyKat | aha - if someone would please fix the topic link to be http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/FrontPage it'll work for everyone ^^ |
| 17:04.37 | hburchey | How do I make aptitude automatically install suggested packages? There's an option to automatically install recommended packages, but there doesn't seem to be one for suggests... |
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| 17:06.46 | enouf | Trae : fwiw .. you likely have a Banias @ 1.6Ghz , not a 1.7 Dothan .. but either way - the speedstep crud could be affecting your ability to both conserve battery life and overheating .. you should use utils like hwinfo, dmidecode to find out exact product info, as hp sucks giant donkey gonads and Intelis not far behind |
| 17:07.33 | enouf | as fas as giving exact specs.. |
| 17:07.43 | itchi | I have also no animal sex here |
| 17:07.53 | enouf | :-( |
| 17:08.11 | itchi | AlleyKat: Maybe your history?? |
| 17:09.18 | AlleyKat | ? history? |
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| 17:09.18 | itchi | AlleyKat: Yeah, an site you checked yesterday :-p |
| 17:09.18 | AlleyKat | never visited the site before |
| 17:09.23 | itchi | AlleyKat: Strange |
| 17:09.36 | AlleyKat | did you see page ForSide? |
| 17:09.39 | itchi | AlleyKat: Here everything is ok. An personally i find that site realy realy helpfull |
| 17:09.47 | itchi | AlleyKat: No ForSide here |
| 17:10.14 | AlleyKat | hmm seems to be because it auto changes to other pages based on my browser setting |
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| 17:10.42 | AlleyKat | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ForSide <- this is not in danish for you maybe? |
| 17:10.48 | itchi | AlleyKat: Clear the cache of the webbrowser? |
| 17:11.21 | itchi | hhhmmm |
| 17:11.27 | itchi | Same case here then |
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| 17:11.55 | itchi | kug, gay bestiality?? Ugh, exist that right now?? |
| 17:12.03 | itchi | yup somethings wrong there :-/ |
| 17:12.07 | AlleyKat | dude, I swear, I never visited a debian page before - and if it wasn't for a friend buying a vserver without anything but debian on it, I wouldn't be looking ;) |
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| 17:13.20 | itchi | AlleyKat: How have you find that link that point to 'ForSide' dir? |
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| 17:13.33 | itchi | AlleyKat: I not find an link pointing to that section |
| 17:13.42 | itchi | tarzeau: Are you here? |
| 17:14.16 | Tallu | Uhm, is there a configuration file for the Terminal in gnome? I'd like to change the default character encoding on it |
| 17:14.22 | AlleyKat | but I do need help :) 2.6.9-022stab078.21-enterprise is installed, and I got webmin on it so far - he needs it for a few websites, now we're figuring out how to set it up... |
| 17:14.22 | AlleyKat | itchi: I end there automatically when I click the link in the channel topic |
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| 17:14.50 | AlleyKat | and had to go look in the TitleList to even find the real FrontPage |
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| 17:15.43 | itchi | AlleyKat: Strange here /topic show the things right |
| 17:16.19 | AlleyKat | ok, look, that moinmoin thing seems to redirect me based on the language setting in my browser |
| 17:16.30 | AlleyKat | to that ForSide |
| 17:16.34 | itchi | hhhmm |
| 17:16.48 | itchi | But still need to report it to tarzeau, i guess |
| 17:17.38 | itchi | tarzeau: Read a bit back. Looks like there are some troubles with 'http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ForSide' |
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| 17:18.01 | itchi | AlleyKat: What is 2.6.9-022stab078.21-enterprise? |
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| 17:18.22 | AlleyKat | just put a big link to FontPage on it (and maybe remove the spam) should cover it |
| 17:18.34 | AlleyKat | FrontPage* |
| 17:18.34 | AlleyKat | jeez |
| 17:20.23 | AlleyKat | itchi: that is what it replies when I type uname -r in cli (I read on the wiki that this should always be specified) :) |
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| 17:24.35 | itchi | AlleyKat: It's an remote server or so? I'm not familiar with the output you got |
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| 17:24.58 | AlleyKat | yes, virtual server at server4you.de |
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| 17:35.47 | Wamty | if you were to absolutely _have_ to run mirc and you were gonna do it on a linux machine..what would be your helper of choice to use to do that? |
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| 17:36.48 | odla | Wamty: why would one absolutely _have_ to? |
| 17:36.49 | hburchey | In the aptitude GUI it's possible to mark a package as auto even before it's installed. How can I do this from the command line? Using "aptitude markauto blah" doesn't seem to work unless it's already installed. |
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| 17:37.20 | hburchey | Wamty, xchat |
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| 17:38.19 | Wamty | i had winex before but i understand that's no longer available... winex is just wine with directx capability for games and whatever |
| 17:38.24 | Wamty | it seemed to work just fine |
| 17:38.33 | odla | Wamty: why would one absolutely _have_ to? |
| 17:38.46 | wols_ | Wamty: wine |
| 17:39.12 | xingu | "The point is that compressed kernel source tree size is growing on the order of a second degree polynomial." |
| 17:39.21 | xingu | some people have way too much free time |
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| 17:40.28 | blondie | xingu: where did you read that? |
| 17:40.34 | xingu | lkml |
| 17:40.43 | blondie | ? |
| 17:41.03 | blondie | hmm |
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| 17:43.32 | magnus_ | !grub |
| 17:43.32 | dpkg | i heard grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
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| 17:49.47 | hypnox | can anyone tell me what calls dhclient when a interface is specified as dhcp in the interfaces file? |
| 17:50.16 | pelzi_ | ifupdown |
| 17:50.30 | Extrarius | Is there an easy way to get the total size of a folder and everything inside it (recursive) ? |
| 17:50.36 | pelzi_ | du |
| 17:51.35 | hypnox | i want to change the options that dhclient is called with, any idea how to? |
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| 17:51.46 | AlleyKat | ok, what I'm trying to figure out is how to set it up for my friends basic use... there's Apache with everything installed, there's mysql, there's proftpd. I need to set him up with a basic FTP account and set up the apache so he can add websites himself... first step must be some security, however, setting up the FTP and Apache with a user and such |
| 17:51.52 | Extrarius | thx pelzi_ |
| 17:52.48 | pelzi_ | man ifupdown, man dhclient, man dhclient.conf, vi /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 17:59.45 | Wamty | anyone know how I fire up xfce4 on display :1, which is an Xnest? I am using :0 with kde. startxfce4 says server already on :1. xfce4-session says there is already a session manager running (not true) |
| 18:01.45 | Covener | Wamty: ISTR There's an environment variable like X_SESSION_MANAGER you sometimes need ot blank out |
| 18:02.52 | Covener | Wamty: plain old SESSION_MANAGER that is |
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| 18:06.54 | Bushmills | AlleyKat: don't use "FTP" and "security" in one sentence please |
| 18:07.15 | pelzi_ | ftp can be completely secure |
| 18:07.21 | pelzi_ | it just happens to be a pain in the ass |
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| 18:07.35 | Bushmills | pelzi_: you refer to ftp over ssl? |
| 18:07.40 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 18:07.49 | Bushmills | commonly called ftps? |
| 18:07.52 | vulture | FTP itself can't be - you can nest it in something else, sure. ipsec or any other embedding |
| 18:08.08 | chops | Is it good ettiquette to close bugs that you report when they are fixed? Or should I send a message saying "this is fixed now" and let the maintainer close the bug? |
| 18:08.09 | pelzi_ | I don't care if the data is not encrypted you know |
| 18:08.31 | Bushmills | well, reading "ftp" lets me assume that "ftp" and not "ftps" or "ftp over ssl" is meant |
| 18:09.06 | AlleyKat | hehe well I can keep it on sftp if needed Bushmills, it's the basic setting up I'm trying to figure out |
| 18:09.08 | Bushmills | pelzi_: how can you set ftp up in a secure way if you shout your password out to the world? |
| 18:09.14 | pelzi_ | well, I've never called it ftps and neither anyone else |
| 18:09.14 | vulture | "ftp can be completely secure" is as good as saying "any protocol can be completely secure" (because any protocol can just be nested on top of ipsec, ssl, whatever) |
| 18:09.26 | AlleyKat | great manual with webmin thou, just trying to figure out exactly what to do |
| 18:09.27 | Bushmills | AlleyKat: sftp is a much better choice imho |
| 18:09.34 | pelzi_ | well common ftp daemons are starting to support ssl |
| 18:09.43 | pelzi_ | and yes, sftp is a smaller PITA |
| 18:09.48 | Bushmills | AlleyKat: also more comfortable to the user, if you use public key authentication |
| 18:10.14 | pelzi_ | what's the point in security then... |
| 18:10.22 | pelzi_ | lusers can't keep the key secret |
| 18:10.27 | Bushmills | AlleyKat: and you avoid the problem of forgotten/passed on/insecure passwords |
| 18:10.45 | Bushmills | pelzi_: it is relatively easy to change keys |
| 18:10.55 | Bushmills | pelzi_: do that with a password :P |
| 18:11.10 | Covener | pelzi_: it's hard to change a password? |
| 18:11.16 | Covener | er, Bushmills^^ |
| 18:11.24 | pelzi_ | well, how do you get the key securely to the user in the first place |
| 18:11.33 | Bushmills | changing, no. but, getting the user to remember it |
| 18:11.49 | Covener | Bushmills: so you're suggesting they have no passphrase protecting their private key? |
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| 18:12.03 | Bushmills | pelzi_: no need. user creates key pair, sends you the public key. |
| 18:12.06 | pelzi_ | better have the user write a password down than store a key on the hd |
| 18:12.18 | pelzi_ | well making a luser to generate a key is a massive pain |
| 18:12.50 | Bushmills | Covener: no, not suggesting. but it may be an option. can't suggest that without knowing user's environment |
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| 18:13.17 | pelzi_ | well with a passphrase it is no different from remembering a password |
| 18:13.18 | Bushmills | pelzi_: he will if he needs to |
| 18:13.37 | Bushmills | pelzi_: it is |
| 18:13.45 | Bushmills | pelzi_: you can change keys |
| 18:13.56 | Covener | Bushmills: Just like passwords. |
| 18:14.00 | Bushmills | pelzi_: who knows the passphrase, still needs the new private key |
| 18:14.15 | Covener | Bushmills: Just like old passwords. |
| 18:14.15 | pelzi_ | ...eh? |
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| 18:15.06 | pelzi_ | the passphrase must be remembered and replaced if it is compromised |
| 18:15.08 | Bushmills | pelzi_: what "eh?" ? the passphrase is not to give you access to the server. it is for using the key |
| 18:15.20 | robin_sz | so ... dhcpd3 ... why doesnt "set vendor_class_identifier = option vendor-class-identifier;" end up wrting anything sensible to the leases file huh? |
| 18:15.24 | pelzi_ | I happen to know that much |
| 18:15.31 | Bushmills | pelzi_: the passphrase is worthless without the private key |
| 18:15.39 | pelzi_ | I happen to know that too |
| 18:15.55 | pelzi_ | the user still has to remember it and change it if it is compromised |
| 18:16.03 | Loevborg | In a freshly debootstrapped sarge chroot, I don't have a working /dev (e.g. there's no /dev/hda5). How do I get this? |
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| 18:16.12 | robin_sz | pelzi_, for someone who knows all these things, with respect, you are doing a good job of hiding it. |
| 18:16.25 | pelzi_ | how do you mean? |
| 18:16.27 | fs-a | hi, what's the difference in running sth on an xterm and from a kde shortcut with exactly the same command and default shortcut settings? I have 'xqf' here that malfunctions if not run on an xterm. |
| 18:16.32 | Bushmills | pelzi_: "well with a passphrase it is no different from remembering a password" that's your words |
| 18:16.51 | Bushmills | pelzi_: i maintain, there *is* a difference |
| 18:17.08 | pelzi_ | there is no difference between telling the user to write the password down in a file on his hard drive and giving him a key without a passphrase. |
| 18:17.13 | fs-a | can i at least see a shortcut running in a verbose manner? |
| 18:17.17 | pelzi_ | and if there is a passhphrase, the user must remember it. |
| 18:17.27 | pelzi_ | and securing the key with a passphrase that is compromised is not secure. |
| 18:17.29 | AlleyKat | :S |
| 18:17.30 | Covener | Bushmills: There's effectively no difference between a compromised passphprase and password. Either way you make 1 change on the host and the comopromised data is now irrelevant. Either way user has to take action too (new password/passphrase) |
| 18:17.42 | pelzi_ | Amen. |
| 18:17.48 | AlleyKat | keypairs, so advanced |
| 18:18.07 | Bushmills | pelzi_: it is more secure using a private key with a compromised passphrase than using a compromised password. |
| 18:18.08 | robin_sz | Covener, untrue. completely wrong onfact |
| 18:18.15 | Covener | robin_sz: how so? |
| 18:18.50 | robin_sz | Covener, a compromised password is dangerous .. a compromised passphrase is ONLY dangerous IF the person who has it ALSO has your private key |
| 18:18.59 | pelzi_ | well, at least I am not going to use a compromised passphrase ever. |
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| 18:19.24 | AlleyKat | <newb mode>teach me!</newb mode> |
| 18:19.37 | pelzi_ | well, if someone can compromise the passphrase he can also compromise the key. lusers are clueless, social engineering works and common operating systems are insecure |
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| 18:19.48 | robin_sz | pelzi_, rubbish |
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| 18:20.08 | pelzi_ | how so? |
| 18:20.18 | Hoxzer | what about if pelzi is really that guy in Yle radiotoimitus |
| 18:20.27 | robin_sz | pelzi_, here you go, my passphrase is "gardengnome99" ... so .. off you go and log in to my boxes then ... |
| 18:20.50 | Covener | robin_sz: we're talking about the countermeasures you need to take using RSA vs password auth when an account is comprimised. It's not easier on the user or the admin. |
| 18:20.59 | pelzi_ | exactly. |
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| 18:21.36 | john_doe | where can I learn how to move mails from a dovecot server to a courier one? At this time, I only have it working for the main Inbox.... |
| 18:21.50 | robin_sz | well, RSA requires two things .. something you know, somethjing you bring with you. password only requires one. |
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| 18:22.07 | robin_sz | and all the kewl cats use DSA anyway |
| 18:22.09 | Covener | robin_sz: Most methods by which you'd compromise a passphrase would leave the state of the public key highly suspect. Academically you can assume someone has their passphprase broken and their key is just fine |
| 18:22.09 | pelzi_ | it is harder, actually. the user must generate new key pair and secure it with a new password. |
| 18:22.23 | fs-a | lol, it turns out if xqf is run from a shortcut it doesn't use certain env vars used by ati's 3d accel |
| 18:22.30 | hq4ever_2 | could someone please share /etc/lilo.conf if his system dual boots linux & windows ? |
| 18:22.41 | pelzi_ | besides, the user still has to remember the passphrase, which happened to be my point |
| 18:22.44 | Covener | hq4ever_2: about 4 billion someones have, STFW |
| 18:23.03 | pelzi_ | yep |
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| 18:23.04 | robin_sz | pelzi_, not really, if you have users that cant remember their passphrase thats a GOOD thing |
| 18:23.09 | hq4ever_2 | ok, one of you will do ;) |
| 18:23.15 | pelzi_ | I just say 'remember to rerun lilo' |
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| 18:23.48 | robin_sz | pelzi_, if your users cannot remember their passphrase, they cant log in ... thus keeping idiots out of your boxes. ideal. |
| 18:24.01 | Covener | robin_sz: until they write it on a stickie or remove the passphphrase altogether |
| 18:24.06 | john_doe | hq4ever_2: this is propably not the best place to ask for that. google will have many... |
| 18:24.13 | pelzi_ | ...and what is the difference between forgetting the pass, then? |
| 18:24.33 | Covener | hq4ever_2: if something is readily available on the web why bother real-live people? |
| 18:24.52 | hq4ever_2 | john_doe: I actually checked google, it's been non cooperating with me today |
| 18:24.59 | pelzi_ | and I'd feel safer writing it down than saving it on anything electronic. |
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| 18:25.15 | pelzi_ | if someone can get the note they can also get it from a PC |
| 18:25.30 | Bushmills | pelzi_: difference is, you can ask user to give you a new public key when he forget his passphrase, rather than having to deal with his new password. |
| 18:25.34 | robin_sz | at some point you just have to terminate them |
| 18:25.36 | john_doe | hq4ever_2: ok, I'd be happy to help, but I can't :-( |
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| 18:25.47 | robin_sz | Bushmills, point. |
| 18:25.49 | Bushmills | pelzi_: it puts the initiative to the user |
| 18:26.15 | pelzi_ | a pretty minimal difference, but true |
| 18:26.21 | hq4ever_2 | does lilo even capable of dual booting into windwos, up to now I've been using grub for all my dual booting configurations |
| 18:26.22 | robin_sz | users with initiative. coo. interesting concept |
| 18:26.30 | Charminthemoose | where can i get xorg in the repositories? |
| 18:26.39 | Covener | hq4ever_2: of course it does |
| 18:26.41 | Bushmills | well, if he wants access, he is forced to. |
| 18:26.42 | pelzi_ | lilo can. grub is nicer and does it easier |
| 18:26.51 | Bushmills | otherwise, bad luck,. problem solved too |
| 18:26.52 | Charminthemoose | would it be in testing or unstable? |
| 18:26.52 | pelzi_ | oh really... |
| 18:26.55 | robin_sz | so .. back to dhcpd3 ... |
| 18:26.56 | Covener | IIRC it's only a 2-liner in lilo.conf |
| 18:27.02 | pelzi_ | you are far away from serving real lusers |
| 18:27.06 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: both |
| 18:27.10 | pelzi_ | you know, the ones who pay |
| 18:27.11 | wols_ | !tell Charminthemoose about search |
| 18:27.39 | Bushmills | pelzi_: yes, probably. some sort of filter helped me to sort them out. |
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| 18:28.07 | pelzi_ | maybe you're just lucky |
| 18:28.54 | hq4ever_2 | thanks guys, another run of google gave this as first link http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lilo.htm |
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| 18:30.24 | Bushmills | pelzi_: all my paying users use private/public key auth. |
| 18:30.35 | Bushmills | pelzi_: i don't have any password logins |
| 18:30.50 | pelzi_ | then you have convenient users |
| 18:30.51 | Bushmills | pelzi_: the servers are configured to disallow password logins |
| 18:31.08 | pelzi_ | mine aren't for practical reasons. |
| 18:31.11 | Bushmills | pelzi_: no, the ones who can't cope with it have to move on |
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| 18:31.22 | Bushmills | that is probably the filter i mentioned |
| 18:31.37 | pelzi_ | well I want to login without taking my private key everywhere with me |
| 18:31.59 | Bushmills | pelzi_: well, log in to your own machine first, then |
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| 18:32.41 | pelzi_ | ...whcih brings us to square 1 |
| 18:32.58 | Bushmills | yes. thus no extra work for me |
| 18:33.08 | mooh | hey guys. i want to install a package with apt that replaces another package. but i want to install both. can i somehow force apt to do so? |
| 18:33.18 | pelzi_ | however, I do not wish to inconvenience myself nor the users (if they compromise their stuff it is not my problem) |
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| 18:34.29 | Talnakh | hey guys, i am trying to audit my wi-fi network, which Debian LiveCD could help me most for this? |
| 18:35.15 | pelzi_ | and what do you wish to do |
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| 18:36.29 | Charminthemoose | I have a great name for a film: Synaptic:Reloaded. :) |
| 18:36.32 | Charminthemoose | god i'm crazy |
| 18:37.07 | peterrus | hmm |
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| 18:37.15 | peterrus | you can' t match me |
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| 18:39.13 | ribasushi | greetings |
| 18:39.45 | Charminthemoose | greet things |
| 18:39.49 | ribasushi | is there a way to make defoma aware of fonts in non-standard directories? |
| 18:39.56 | ribasushi | Charminthemoose: something like that |
| 18:41.42 | Loevborg | Is there some list of packages I should install after debootstrap, things the installer commonly installs? |
| 18:41.57 | pelzi_ | nope |
| 18:42.02 | pelzi_ | just install what you need |
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| 18:42.23 | Loevborg | the system doesn't come up after my install, so there's probably something missing |
| 18:42.37 | pelzi_ | a bootloader? |
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| 18:43.13 | Loevborg | grub works and runs debian's vmlinuz |
| 18:43.43 | Loevborg | it barked when it noticed there were no e2tools to fsck, for example |
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| 18:43.59 | pelzi_ | sounds weird |
| 18:44.01 | Talnakh | pelzi_, i just need to check how easy it would be to break into wi-fi network using some common tools aircrack. Naturally if i find it easy then i ll think how i should update my setup to make it more reliable. |
| 18:44.26 | pelzi_ | well... I can tell you it is easy no matter what you do. |
| 18:44.43 | Loevborg | pelzi_, do I need to add sth to fstab for /dev to be created correctly? |
| 18:45.01 | pelzi_ | WPA2 with a long passphrase and a good VPN are the only secure options I know of |
| 18:45.03 | Loevborg | (sarge's kernel 2.6.8) |
| 18:45.22 | pelzi_ | hmm... I don't think so |
| 18:45.35 | pelzi_ | you have udev? |
| 18:45.54 | Loevborg | pelzi_, I don't know, should I? |
| 18:46.00 | pelzi_ | probably |
| 18:46.17 | Loevborg | that's standard in sarge? |
| 18:46.33 | pelzi_ | it should be... heck, I don't know |
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| 18:47.02 | Talnakh | pelzi_, well thanks. |
| 18:47.17 | Loevborg | pelzi_, what line would that be in fstab? |
| 18:47.29 | pelzi_ | udev? none afaik |
| 18:47.42 | pelzi_ | it mounts a tmpfs itself. no machine at hand, can't check |
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| 18:49.14 | Loevborg | ah, I most likely need to install the package "udev" |
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| 18:55.02 | struct | anyone know of any dns issues in sid? |
| 18:55.31 | struct | most all of my dns queries go to multicast dns now instead of where they ought to go on my network |
| 18:55.57 | pelzi_ | see your resolv.conf |
| 18:56.20 | struct | my resolv.conf is fine |
| 18:56.24 | struct | its the way it is always configured |
| 18:56.33 | pelzi_ | sounds very weird |
| 18:56.45 | struct | yes |
| 18:56.49 | struct | very weird indeed |
| 18:56.55 | pelzi_ | have you upgraded without restarting? |
| 18:57.08 | struct | I have restarted since the upgrade |
| 18:57.14 | struct | but I did just upgrade |
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| 18:57.22 | pelzi_ | hm. |
| 18:57.25 | struct | and I know the reason I have issues is because I upgraded |
| 18:57.42 | pelzi_ | I've never seen multicast dns... |
| 18:57.55 | struct | me either |
| 18:58.21 | struct | some package was upgraded that cause firefox, aptitude etc... to query on mulitcast addresses though |
| 18:58.30 | struct | if I dig manually its fine |
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| 18:58.52 | struct | dig www.google.com will return the correct answer and query the correct server |
| 18:59.08 | amortvigil | help its the second time i try to install debian en for the secodn time it gives apt-get errors |
| 18:59.20 | amortvigil | like he cant find paccets |
| 18:59.24 | struct | amortvigil: what version of debian? |
| 18:59.31 | struct | amortvigil: what type of system? |
| 19:00.06 | amortvigil | struct a dell optiplex 800mhz p3celeron en debian sarge 686 |
| 19:00.17 | Extrarius | Is there a summary of what is on each of the debian CDs? I'm trying to setup a system similar to my webhost so I can compile things locally for use on the server |
| 19:00.29 | struct | hhmmm |
| 19:00.34 | struct | amortvigil: what errors? |
| 19:00.44 | amortvigil | do you mind if its in dutch:P |
| 19:00.51 | struct | amortvigil: yes I mind |
| 19:00.56 | struct | amortvigil: I do not understand dutch |
| 19:01.12 | pelzi_ | the joys of internationalisation. |
| 19:01.35 | struct | I would use some online translator but I cannot browse the web |
| 19:01.36 | struct | :-P |
| 19:01.38 | amortvigil | struct when i do : apt-get-update |
| 19:01.45 | pelzi_ | usually the translations are uninteligible, and the develper won't understand them :( |
| 19:01.50 | struct | oh how I miss dns |
| 19:01.51 | wols_ | struct: export LANG=C |
| 19:01.53 | pelzi_ | +l |
| 19:01.54 | wols_ | then run apt-get again |
| 19:02.05 | struct | wols_: you mean for amortvigil |
| 19:02.08 | amortvigil | it says: while transfering some indexfiles |
| 19:02.09 | Bushmills | amortvigil: put it on #flood. i do understand dutch |
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| 19:02.22 | linux_manju | Hi all |
| 19:02.24 | amortvigil | are missing |
| 19:02.35 | wols_ | amortvigil: apt-spy |
| 19:02.40 | amortvigil | or cant be transfered is a closer translation |
| 19:03.01 | wols_ | or use ftp.de.debian.org |
| 19:03.18 | amortvigil | Bushwills E: Ophalen van sommige indexbestanden is mislukt, deze zijn of genegeerd, of er zijn oudere versies van gebruikt. |
| 19:03.30 | struct | anyone running sid? |
| 19:03.38 | amortvigil | wols apt-spy does nothing |
| 19:03.48 | Bushmills | amortvigil: try another mirror |
| 19:03.58 | linux_manju | If I have 5 users and an NFS share I want user three users to have read write permission and other ttw to have read only permission.. How can i achive this? |
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| 19:04.19 | struct | linux_manju: read the nfs howto |
| 19:04.44 | amortvigil | is it notmal to only have 3 deb url's? |
| 19:04.46 | Bushmills | amortvigil: apt-get couldn't read the Packages files from the server. either that mirrors file base is not ok, or has some connectivity problems |
| 19:04.52 | hollo | hi.. anyone who know what has happend with apache2 and their apache2-ssl-cert.. seems like it has been removed.. and svn dav is really strange.. |
| 19:04.59 | linux_manju | Yes.. But it doesnt say anything about.. user permissions.. Its either IP bases permission.. Or Network based |
| 19:05.04 | hollo | i gets userAuthFile <- invalid command.. |
| 19:05.05 | Bushmills | amortvigil: yes, can be quite ok |
| 19:05.09 | Bushmills | amortvigil: even one can do |
| 19:05.10 | wols_ | hollo: sid? |
| 19:05.11 | struct | hollo: sarge/etch/sid? |
| 19:05.16 | hollo | unstable |
| 19:05.19 | hollo | uhmm.. that may be sid |
| 19:05.22 | struct | hhhmmm |
| 19:05.24 | struct | interesting |
| 19:05.29 | struct | hollo: let me check my sid |
| 19:05.34 | hollo | thanks |
| 19:05.49 | wols_ | struct: it's apache 2.2 now in sid |
| 19:05.55 | wols_ | and it's buggy, very buggy |
| 19:05.56 | struct | ah |
| 19:05.58 | linux_manju | struct: ?? |
| 19:06.11 | wols_ | but you should already KNOW that since you run sid? since you were browsing BTS already, right? |
| 19:06.11 | struct | linux_manju: NFS howto |
| 19:06.12 | hollo | okai :( well.. i can just stop running sid |
| 19:06.20 | struct | linux_manju: it explains all you want to do |
| 19:06.25 | wols_ | yes you can stop. all you need is a reinstall |
| 19:06.31 | struct | wols_: who me? |
| 19:06.50 | hollo | wols_, arrr... just reinstall apache i hope |
| 19:07.02 | linux_manju | struct: Nope.. Doesnt suite me... I went from top to bottom |
| 19:07.16 | struct | linux_manju: what about left to right? |
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| 19:08.14 | linux_manju | struct: That I find obvious.. If a reader is nit a dumb head :) |
| 19:08.41 | amortvigil | bushwills check you private message |
| 19:08.45 | struct | well I have problems of my own so I cannot help more right now |
| 19:11.40 | amortvigil | i changed it into de it still gives erros |
| 19:11.41 | struct | well hey if you could not use dns properly you would be upset too |
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| 19:15.42 | amortvigil | Bushmills can you help me? |
| 19:16.14 | Bushmills | amortvigil: sorry, i'm quite tight in money myself. |
| 19:16.52 | Bushmills | oh |
| 19:16.58 | amortvigil | :|:P |
| 19:17.08 | amortvigil | check your private message |
| 19:18.22 | amortvigil | Bushmills it still gives errors you know dutch so u can tell me what the real prob is |
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| 19:18.39 | DeaLER- | How do you remove a package and ignore errors? |
| 19:18.42 | Bushmills | i don't have no PMs here |
| 19:18.46 | DeaLER- | I'm having trouble installing/removing imapproxy |
| 19:18.52 | Xorm | Is it possible to set volume/pcm from the command line? |
| 19:18.57 | Bushmills | and there's nothing new in #flood |
| 19:19.22 | pelzi_ | Xorm: alsactl, iirc. |
| 19:19.28 | amortvigil | Bushmills ohh ok well i changed it in nl in de and now it gives another error |
| 19:19.35 | Xorm | ah, thanks. |
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| 19:20.03 | amortvigil | bushwills W: Kon de status van de bronpakketlijst http://ftp.de.debian.org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) niet opvragen - stat (2 Onbekend bestand of map) |
| 19:20.20 | h3sp4wn | Xorm: alsamixer (curses) may be what you want or amixer (full cli) alsactl is for storing the settings |
| 19:20.25 | DeaLER- | does anyone know how to forcibly remove a package? |
| 19:20.39 | h3sp4wn | DeaLER-: dpkg -r --force-depends |
| 19:20.48 | pelzi_ | if you don't know you shouldn't |
| 19:21.11 | Xorm | ah |
| 19:21.15 | Xorm | alright then. |
| 19:21.20 | h3sp4wn | pelzi_: true |
| 19:21.21 | Bushmills | amortvigil: have you done apt-get update after changing sources.list ? |
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| 19:21.36 | amortvigil | bushmills yes |
| 19:21.59 | Bushmills | and that worked without error> |
| 19:22.00 | Bushmills | '? |
| 19:22.17 | DeaLER- | that didn't work :( |
| 19:22.42 | pelzi_ | honestly |
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| 19:22.52 | DeaLER- | its failing because the one of the scripts returns an error code |
| 19:22.56 | amortvigil | Bushmills when i changed al the nl into de it gave that error |
| 19:23.00 | DeaLER- | not because of a denpancy |
| 19:23.08 | DeaLER- | dependancy |
| 19:23.09 | pelzi_ | then you should file a bug |
| 19:23.13 | Bushmills | amortvigil: how much space have you left on your hard disk? |
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| 19:23.27 | amortvigil | lik 14 gig |
| 19:23.43 | amortvigil | this is my sources.list #deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 19:23.43 | amortvigil | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 19:23.44 | amortvigil | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 19:23.44 | amortvigil | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
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| 19:26.11 | newimproved | Is it possible to link two directories and have an ftp client see it? |
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| 19:27.06 | DeaLER- | piss on it. I deleted the deamon and the init.d script couldn't find it so it exited on 0 |
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| 19:27.09 | DeaLER- | no errors |
| 19:27.11 | DeaLER- | eh |
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| 19:27.28 | pelzi_ | of course |
| 19:27.33 | matthias | Hi, could anybody please tell me where osd_cat looks for fonts? |
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| 19:28.13 | matthias | I tested fonts with xfontsel and osd_cat tells me that the font is not found. |
| 19:28.22 | Extrarius | What would cause a program to fail when executed from a symlink (can't find shared libraries it needs) but not when copied (or hard linked) to the same place the symlink was? |
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| 19:34.10 | amortvigil | soorie back |
| 19:34.25 | amortvigil | ive got kicked by pasting |
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| 19:34.57 | amortvigil | Bushmills is there anything strange at the sources.list |
| 19:35.37 | wols_ | amortvigil: use ftp |
| 19:35.48 | amortvigil | vols howto? |
| 19:35.58 | amortvigil | wols* |
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| 19:36.22 | amortvigil | wols change http into ftp? |
| 19:36.25 | wols_ | by using ftp:// |
| 19:36.31 | wols_ | however: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/ the files are there |
| 19:36.38 | wols_ | so imho the problem is at your end |
| 19:36.40 | Bushmills | amortvigil: looks ok. no idea. i looked on the server, the Packages.gz is there. if apt-get update transfers it, it *should* be on your machine. |
| 19:37.10 | Bushmills | amortvigil: can't really think of what could cause this, i'll come back if i get an inspiration. |
| 19:37.10 | wols_ | amortvigil: wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 19:37.24 | wols_ | itf that doesn't work it's your connection |
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| 19:39.58 | amortvigil | :O indeed its the internet :S it says its already conbfigured:S and it stopped without any reson:S |
| 19:40.53 | Xteven | whats a good alternative for samba ? |
| 19:41.07 | Xteven | for filesharing between linux and windows |
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| 19:41.34 | wols_ | there is none |
| 19:41.38 | crazy_penguin | Good night to all! |
| 19:41.42 | wols_ | you can choose between nfs and samba |
| 19:41.42 | Charminthemoose | where can i get xvidcap? |
| 19:41.49 | wols_ | and nfs is ugly on windows |
| 19:41.51 | lindenle | why does sendmail install require me to run sendmailconfig after a reboot? |
| 19:41.59 | wols_ | !sendmail |
| 19:41.59 | dpkg | from memory, sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. |
| 19:42.00 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: it doesn't. |
| 19:42.11 | lindenle | mine does on my mail server every time |
| 19:42.15 | lindenle | wont start at boot |
| 19:42.21 | Xteven | wols_ : thats sad :( |
| 19:42.24 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: are you running the Debian package? |
| 19:42.27 | lindenle | yes |
| 19:42.40 | lindenle | have the same problem on 3 mail servers |
| 19:42.47 | lindenle | just started happening in sarge |
| 19:42.51 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: then you shouldn't ever have to run it. If it's not starting, you're either missing the symlink to start it in your runlevel, or you have errors in your configuration files. |
| 19:42.58 | lindenle | the test in init.d loks for sendmail.mc and .cf |
| 19:43.15 | lindenle | no starts fine after running sendmailconfig |
| 19:43.25 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: you just have to run make in /etc/mail. |
| 19:43.29 | lindenle | I know |
| 19:43.33 | lindenle | long time user |
| 19:43.42 | lindenle | just not sure why this started acting up |
| 19:43.44 | amortvigil | is it normal if you stop the network and it takes liek 7 minutes to deconfigure the interfaces? |
| 19:43.45 | Extrarius | Debian's "software selection" step doesn't seem to work (brings up an error dialog "one or more packaged failed to install") unless I select only "manual" (and I haven't taken that all the way) - am I doing something significantly wrong? |
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| 19:44.09 | lindenle | amortvigil: I have the same problem it is some nis nfs conflict i think |
| 19:44.44 | amortvigil | but i anit got samba |
| 19:44.53 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.04 | lindenle | I guess i should reboot and see if sendmail.cf is getting deleted |
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| 19:45.42 | ma3x | why do I get 'an error happen during ped_file_system_open call' when I try to resize an ext2 partition? |
| 19:45.49 | dondelelcaro | if you're deleting sendmail.cf or sendmail.mc, then that's your problem. They definetly don't get deleted here. |
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| 19:46.10 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: Im not on purpose ;) |
| 19:46.18 | lindenle | but that may be the reason |
| 19:46.22 | lindenle | I will test |
| 19:46.25 | lindenle | when i have a chance |
| 19:47.07 | ma3x | how can I resize my ext2 partition? |
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| 19:47.27 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 19:47.30 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: with resize2fs |
| 19:48.06 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: yep sendmail.cf is dated as of last boot up so it must be getting deleted |
| 19:48.08 | lindenle | somehow... |
| 19:48.29 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: although, you really mean your ext2 filesystem on a partition; you have to first resize your partition, then resize the filesystem on the partition. |
| 19:48.39 | ArchitectSinan | i'm having issues while installing Deiban 3.1r3 with my Intel 965 chipset mainboard. I'll change my mainboard to Intel 945 chipset. Will there be any prolem in 945 also ? Or do you know hardware compatibility list for Debian 3.1r3 ? |
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| 19:49.48 | dondelelcaro | ArchitectSinan: it depends what you're using on that chipset; first off, are you using linux26 when you're instlaling 3.1r3? |
| 19:50.03 | dondelelcaro | ArchitectSinan: second, you may have better luck using the d-i betas to install sarge. |
| 19:50.04 | ArchitectSinan | dondelelcaro: sure. i'm using linux26 ;) |
| 19:50.32 | ArchitectSinan | dondelelcaro: I tried ECHI testings alos. No luck. Because 965 chipset need 2.6.18 kernel |
| 19:50.35 | dondelelcaro | the 3.1r3 installers use 2.6.8, which doesn't support some SATA chipsets |
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| 19:51.07 | ArchitectSinan | dondelelcaro: not SATA only. I can't access to my CDROM/SATA/IDE/NIC after boot :( |
| 19:51.30 | ma3x | dondelelcaro: how do you do that - first resize the partition? |
| 19:51.31 | ArchitectSinan | dondelelcaro: if i boot with 2.6.8 |
| 19:51.37 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: with fdisk or similar |
| 19:51.48 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: does it get deleted on security upgrade |
| 19:51.50 | tralala | ma3x: parted |
| 19:51.58 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: no, it doesn't. |
| 19:52.05 | lindenle | dondelelcaro:hmmmm |
| 19:52.07 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: the .cf file should never be deleted |
| 19:52.15 | lindenle | thats what i would have expected |
| 19:52.25 | lindenle | im gonna test it |
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| 19:57.05 | amortvigil | Bushmills my connection is strange it has dhcp but it gives my to pc the same internal ip while they have sperated line too the router |
| 19:57.20 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: see the first answer in the FAQ section here http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 19:57.24 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: sendmail.cf is remade at boot |
| 19:58.03 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: thanks , i'm reading it now :) |
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| 19:59.48 | ma3x | dondelelcaro: I have 80 GB disk. how can I resize it to 74 GB? must I specify blocks or GBytes? my problem is that I don't understand much from blocks |
| 20:00.11 | ma3x | dondek: how much MB makes 19398656 blocks? |
| 20:00.33 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: it may be on your machine, but definetly isn't here. |
| 20:00.56 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: this is not a solution to my problem. Because I stuck even tough following guidelines in http://protoplazm.com/debian/debian_sarge_on_965.html |
| 20:01.10 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: I just tested it |
| 20:01.16 | lindenle | what versiion do you have |
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| 20:01.34 | dondelelcaro | 8.13.4-3sarge3 |
| 20:01.50 | amortvigil | how can i bring up eth1? |
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| 20:02.13 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: tried the Etch installers (beta3?) already? |
| 20:02.31 | asg | amortvigil: man 5 interfaces, man 8 ifup |
| 20:02.35 | enouf | amortvigil: ifup eth1 perhaps? |
| 20:02.42 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: sure. but it has 2.6.14 or something like this . But i need 2.6.18 |
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| 20:03.10 | dvs | ArchitectSinan: why does it have to be 2.6.18? |
| 20:03.10 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: i'm ETCH beta3 doesn't have 2.6.18. I reall stuck soo bad :( |
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| 20:03.22 | ArchitectSinan | dvs: Because http://protoplazm.com/debian/debian_sarge_on_965.html |
| 20:03.27 | amortvigil | enouf that fails |
| 20:03.39 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: 8.13.8-2 here |
| 20:03.42 | ma3x | damnit |
| 20:03.44 | lindenle | maybe it is a problem in testing |
| 20:03.50 | ma3x | where can I read a howto to resize ext2? |
| 20:03.52 | lindenle | Ill check bug reports |
| 20:03.55 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: haven't reviewed the link you posted in detail . but perhaps the 945 will fair better for now - or try an Unofficial backports image |
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| 20:04.23 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: i haven't heard unofficial backports image. Where can i find ? |
| 20:04.25 | enouf | amortvigil: as asg said man interfaces |
| 20:04.35 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: but i definetely want to go with Debian |
| 20:04.39 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: right at that link for kmuto.jp |
| 20:04.45 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: thx :) |
| 20:04.50 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: also at bpo |
| 20:04.53 | enouf | !bpo |
| 20:04.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
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| 20:05.20 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: rememeber - they are unofficial - so heed all/any warnings |
| 20:06.16 | Red_Cloud | My dist is etch. I go to upgrade my packages and all is well until I reboot. I get the message that Xsession is unable to write to /tmp/user/1000. Is my problem a persmission problem, configuration, or ? |
| 20:06.20 | ma3x | how do I resize the ext2 partition? |
| 20:07.01 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: But i haven't got a running debian machine on my intel965 machine. I can't install any Debian into it. How can i use a backport package then ? |
| 20:07.08 | wireddd | is there a package of windows fonts I have to install so that text in the flash player shows up properly |
| 20:07.21 | asg | ma3x: resize2fs |
| 20:07.46 | ma3x | asg: I just did that, but it's still the same size |
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| 20:08.31 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: d/l the ISO and burn to CD and boot from it ... read read read ... also /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:08.56 | iostream | Hi. Does debian feature a standardized way of re-creating firewall rules after a reboot? |
| 20:08.58 | asg | ma3x: did the underlying partition have free space? |
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| 20:09.13 | asg | iostream: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian* |
| 20:09.14 | ma3x | asg: yes |
| 20:09.16 | enouf | lindenle: really guessing wildly, but lindenle: I have no idea how or why .. but perhaps there's conflicting config files ... look into /etc/default/sendmail ?? - maybe use 'update-rc.d' to update your scripts/config ?? use an (n)curses based util like rcconf, or sys-rc-conf to inspect further startup apps .. also /msg dpkg services |
| 20:09.36 | ma3x | asg: underlying? there is only one partition on the hard disk |
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| 20:10.00 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: Could you please tell me where are the ISOs in http://www.backports.org ? |
| 20:10.02 | enouf | ma3x: could go and d/l the 30MB gparted CD ISO , burn and boot from it -- use |
| 20:10.41 | asg | ma3x: mine has several. |
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| 20:12.15 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: [1] http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ ..[2] /msg dpkg 2.6.16 kernel on Sarge |
| 20:12.48 | enouf | bah |
| 20:12.53 | ma3x | asg: resize2fs is fs resizer |
| 20:12.57 | enouf | where the heck is that factoid |
| 20:12.57 | ma3x | I want to resize the partition! |
| 20:13.09 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: sorry , thx :) |
| 20:13.18 | asg | ma3x: you can't without recreating it using fdisk |
| 20:13.25 | enouf | ooops |
| 20:13.48 | ma3x | asg: what? you can't resize the partition without recreating it?? that's crazy, man |
| 20:14.08 | zool2005 | Evening all, I'd just like to know if anyone uses a Western Digital "My Book" (successfully!)? |
| 20:14.22 | Red_Cloud | I have a problem after upgrading. I am not able to log into my desktop. Presently, I am connected to this chat via Windows XP. I would like to connect to this chat via a console in Linux. But I have never done that before and need some detailed instruction as to how to connect to this chat . Anyone willing to instruct a neo? |
| 20:14.51 | asg | ma3x: my mistake, disregard what I said |
| 20:15.17 | asg | ma3x: you need parted as was mentioned above |
| 20:16.45 | enouf | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 20:16.46 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 20:16.56 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: ^^^ |
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| 20:18.43 | ma3x | Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled. |
| 20:18.47 | ma3x | what is that? |
| 20:19.04 | asg | it depends on what command you ran. What command did you run? |
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| 20:19.10 | ma3x | resize |
| 20:19.18 | ma3x | and then I've put 32kb and 80GB |
| 20:19.26 | ma3x | I tried with other values too |
| 20:19.58 | asg | asg@grep:~$ whatis resize |
| 20:19.58 | asg | resize (1x) - set TERMCAP and terminal settings to current xterm window size |
| 20:20.04 | asg | ma3x: ^^ is that what you ran? |
| 20:20.18 | ma3x | no, I ran it inside parted |
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| 20:20.37 | ma3x | hi deadcat |
| 20:20.40 | deadcat | hey |
| 20:20.44 | ma3x | long time no see man |
| 20:20.47 | ma3x | what happened to ya |
| 20:21.01 | ma3x | ya hate ftp too much ? :p |
| 20:21.12 | deadcat | if i have a hdd for media files only. whats the option to set less inodes for mkfs.ext3? so i dont waste too much space |
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| 20:21.29 | deadcat | ma3x: nothing much.. trying to get compiz to play. |
| 20:22.17 | ma3x | deadcat: play gamez or just get them rockin? |
| 20:22.32 | deadcat | ma3x: just get to get it rockin. no games |
| 20:23.21 | deadcat | anyone on the mkfs.ext3 inode? |
| 20:24.01 | ma3x | channel is dead right now |
| 20:24.06 | ma3x | everyone's asleep |
| 20:24.12 | deadcat | i know the d-i ask that. but i am not using the d-i right now.. |
| 20:24.19 | deadcat | ya. the channel is like a ghost town. |
| 20:25.04 | ma3x | somebody wake up and help here |
| 20:25.20 | ma3x | uhm, try oftc maybe someone's there |
| 20:25.22 | asg | ma3x: type the error into google |
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| 20:25.35 | chafe | ok debian has a LOT of devices in /dev where fedora only had a few |
| 20:25.39 | chafe | how am i supposed to knwo what is what? |
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| 20:25.55 | chafe | i am trying to find out what my Mouse device is on my wacom tablet, specificaly |
| 20:26.12 | asg | chafe: /msg dpkg wacom |
| 20:26.34 | deadcat | chafe: i am pretty sure fedora has stuff in /dev too. they just hide it from you.. maybe /dev/.something. |
| 20:26.52 | deadcat | asg: you know the answer to my mkfs q? |
| 20:27.11 | asg | deadcat: how big on average will your files be? |
| 20:27.21 | deadcat | asg: tv eps |
| 20:27.29 | deadcat | asg: i say 180mb |
| 20:27.46 | deadcat | or 300mb |
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| 20:27.59 | asg | deadcat: then you won't need many inodes. |
| 20:27.59 | blondie | 300 millibits? |
| 20:28.21 | deadcat | asg: so is the default way too much? |
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| 20:28.32 | asg | deadcat: these days, it really doesn't matter that much |
| 20:28.41 | deadcat | asg: ok.. i just go default then. |
| 20:29.54 | chafe | asg i assume you mean dpkg --list or something? |
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| 20:30.14 | findme | not sure if i should ask this here, but I have a .vimrc which has "imap <f1> <ESC>" now earlier the <ESC> would translate to actual escape and everything was fine, lately the escape is not getting translated where should i look? |
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| 20:30.16 | asg | chafe: no, dpkg is our bot, type '/msg dpkg wacom' in your irc client and you'll get some info |
| 20:30.22 | chafe | aha |
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| 20:30.30 | almimoni | hi, after i connect to msn, gaim close him self, how do i fix it? |
| 20:30.30 | asg | findme: try #vim first |
| 20:30.39 | chafe | oh yea |
| 20:30.41 | chafe | that doesnt help |
| 20:30.43 | findme | asg, thanks |
| 20:30.46 | chafe | i have the wacom howto |
| 20:30.54 | Vaske_Car | Hello I am preparing PC to install Debian, is Debian similar like Ubunut? SUDO etc.. ? |
| 20:30.58 | chafe | and the device should be something like Mouse0 or Mouse1 or just Mouse |
| 20:31.09 | craigevil | almimoni check that your not blocking msn with your firewall |
| 20:31.09 | chafe | but it isnt and Stylus isnt listed in /dev etiher |
| 20:31.13 | asg | chafe: did you check out the 'debian specific help' link near the bottom? |
| 20:31.16 | findme | asg, you answered my question it probably is because I didn't install vim. Thanks a lot. |
| 20:31.25 | asg | findme: you're welcome |
| 20:31.32 | dvs | Vaske_Car: There's only one way to find out. |
| 20:32.11 | almimoni | <craigevil> i don not use firewall |
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| 20:32.28 | enouf | chafe: you using Xorg? |
| 20:32.36 | Vaske_Car | dvs: ? |
| 20:32.41 | craigevil | almimoni: you dont use iptables? |
| 20:32.47 | chafe | XFree86 |
| 20:33.14 | enouf | chafe: bah ... Xorg has a separate pkg .. but I'm sure it's doable on Xfree86 too |
| 20:33.28 | Vaske_Car | dvs: I am familiar with Ubuntu, it use SUDO. With Debian it use .deb and not sure if it use SUDO. ??????? |
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| 20:33.43 | dvs | !info sudo sarge |
| 20:33.53 | dpkg | sudo: (Provide limited super user privileges to specific users), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.8p7-1.4 (sarge), Packaged size: 156 kB, Installed size: 388 kB |
| 20:34.02 | almimoni | <craigevil> yes |
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| 20:34.51 | amortvigil_ | help ive got network connection but no inet connection what could be the prob?? |
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| 20:35.14 | enouf | chafe : modprobe wacom ? |
| 20:35.20 | blondie | amortvigil_: routing |
| 20:35.34 | enouf | chafe: lsusb show anything? |
| 20:36.10 | amortvigil_ | blondie how do you do that in terminal? |
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| 20:36.50 | amortvigil_ | blondie route 10.0.0.151 ? |
| 20:37.44 | blondie | erm no |
| 20:37.56 | enouf | !customer |
| 20:37.57 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 20:38.05 | Hoxzer | GEEZ |
| 20:38.25 | enouf | ants-ib-the-pants |
| 20:38.30 | enouf | in* |
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| 20:38.41 | enouf | wb |
| 20:38.51 | Vaske_Car | dvs: thanks, is "netinst" GUI based installation? |
| 20:38.52 | enouf | scratches like mad |
| 20:39.01 | dvs | Vaske_Car: for sarge, no |
| 20:39.08 | Vaske_Car | :( |
| 20:39.17 | pelzi_ | no gui installers. |
| 20:39.29 | pelzi_ | GUI and installer = stupid combination |
| 20:39.35 | enouf | dyes blondie into a brunette |
| 20:39.38 | dvs | !beer pelzi_ |
| 20:39.40 | pelzi_ | it is much nicer to fight with X after it is installed... |
| 20:39.40 | Vaske_Car | should I just download standard ISO than? |
| 20:39.47 | blondie | enouf: fail, my hair is very dark brown |
| 20:39.51 | Vaske_Car | heeh |
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| 20:40.05 | amortvigil | sorrie blondie i got disconnected what how do i route? |
| 20:40.06 | pelzi_ | afaik debian has no gui installer. it has a very nice text-based one |
| 20:40.13 | dvs | Vaske_Car: if you have a fast internet connection, I'd still download the netinst CD |
| 20:40.14 | Vaske_Car | yes yes |
| 20:40.22 | enouf | but does the rug match the curtains .. |
| 20:40.24 | pelzi_ | amortvigil: dhclient eth0... |
| 20:40.26 | enouf | hehe |
| 20:40.26 | Vaske_Car | I have cable and I am downloading it |
| 20:40.39 | dondelelcaro | pelzi_: there is a gui installer too... |
| 20:41.00 | pelzi_ | oh god |
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| 20:41.07 | pelzi_ | where's the world going... |
| 20:41.15 | pelzi_ | debian and a gui installer :( |
| 20:41.25 | dvs | Vaske_Car: DHCP? |
| 20:41.29 | Vaske_Car | dvs: when installing software what command I use? With Ubuntu it was "sudo aptitude install aptname |
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| 20:41.43 | Vaske_Car | dvs: yes |
| 20:41.45 | dvs | Vaske_Car: The same (once you install sudo) |
| 20:41.58 | blondie | amortvigil: probably want to set things up right in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:42.45 | Vaske_Car | dvs: acutally i am behind router |
| 20:43.54 | h3sp4wn | Vaske_Car: you need to add your username to /etc/sudoers using visudo |
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| 20:44.14 | pelzi_ | ...if you want to add yourself there. |
| 20:44.19 | pelzi_ | I rather type the password |
| 20:44.33 | pelzi_ | (and use su) |
| 20:44.53 | tech | Why does not my Debian Etch upgrade to 2.6.17 kernel when I update my system through apt-get? (I still have 2.6.15), I did this on a friends machine yesterday and it upgraded to 2.6.17 |
| 20:45.12 | pelzi_ | running "sudo ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" in a remote system was enough for me to avoid sudo |
| 20:45.16 | dvs | tech: did you specifically upgrade the kernel? |
| 20:45.17 | amortvigil | blondie i made it up as in like : http://www.iceteks.com/forums/archive/t/3298/ |
| 20:45.29 | tech | dvs, nope it happened when i did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:45.58 | dvs | tech: Then your friend must have the kernel-image-2.6 package installed. |
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| 20:46.22 | blondie | amortvigil: you don't have a DHCP server? |
| 20:46.24 | dvs | oh etch, then it's linux-image-2.6-386 package |
| 20:46.46 | amortvigil | blondie i have but when i use it it gives me the same ip as my desktop pc:S |
| 20:46.58 | pelzi_ | then it is a damn crappy dhcp server |
| 20:47.07 | blondie | amortvigil: is that PC using DHCP? |
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| 20:47.23 | amortvigil | yes my desktop pc is |
| 20:47.34 | blondie | that's... unlikely |
| 20:47.34 | pelzi_ | pretty lousy. |
| 20:47.46 | pelzi_ | and dhcp servers ping the address before they give it to you anyway |
| 20:48.00 | pelzi_ | either it does not give the same address or the server is completely braindead |
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| 20:48.01 | chafe | enouf yea lsusb shows me where the wacom tablet is |
| 20:48.09 | chafe | device 002 |
| 20:48.14 | amortvigil | blondie i know its unlikely but maybe is that the point why it wont work:P |
| 20:48.16 | chafe | and there is another unlabeled device 002 |
| 20:48.21 | blondie | maybe |
| 20:48.28 | pelzi_ | well what is the dhcp server anyway |
| 20:48.33 | blondie | amortvigil: did you use the same settings as your desktop PC? |
| 20:48.41 | blondie | same subnet, gateway etc? |
| 20:48.56 | pelzi_ | what network is it, etc. |
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| 20:49.30 | amortvigil | nope i dhcp gives 10.0.0.150 to desctop and to server when i use static i make server .151 |
| 20:49.46 | rue_house | arg, apt-spy just segfaulted after like 3/4 hr of me waiting for it |
| 20:50.14 | enouf | chafe: I've never used a wacom tablet .. so can only guess - are all your USB modules installed (lsmod | grep us)? and you did 'modprobe wacom' already? |
| 20:50.23 | blondie | amortvigil: the server? you mean the dhcp server or what? |
| 20:50.46 | amortvigil | ny my server pc |
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| 20:51.15 | chafe | modprobe wacom returns nothing |
| 20:51.24 | dvs | chafe: that's good! |
| 20:51.37 | chafe | yea |
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| 20:51.53 | blondie | amortvigil: and have you used the same gateway on both? |
| 20:52.05 | enouf | lsmod | grep wacom |
| 20:52.42 | enouf | chafe: uname -a |
| 20:52.46 | amortvigil | no |
| 20:52.53 | blondie | amortvigil: well that's why it doesn't work |
| 20:53.05 | chafe | lsmod | grep us shows me some wacom and a device called input that says mousedev evdev hid wacom |
| 20:53.07 | blondie | what is the gateway on the server? |
| 20:53.13 | blondie | and what have you put on the other pc? |
| 20:53.35 | enouf | chafe : modprobe usbcore |
| 20:53.43 | enouf | chafe : modprobe usb_storage |
| 20:53.43 | blondie | and what's the IP address of your router? |
| 20:53.46 | chafe | wacom,input, and usbcore |
| 20:54.03 | chafe | no usb_storage |
| 20:54.09 | enouf | chafe : modprobe that |
| 20:54.17 | enouf | chafe : modprobe uhci_hcd |
| 20:54.25 | blondie | wtf does usb_storage have to do with a graphics tablet? |
| 20:54.33 | enouf | blondie: stfu |
| 20:54.34 | chafe | no uhci_hcd either |
| 20:54.41 | blondie | enouf: erm no? |
| 20:54.43 | amortvigil | blonide ehh i tought u ment if i used same ip in network and gateway no ofcourse i didnt i use dhcp on my desktop pc:P |
| 20:54.57 | blondie | amortvigil: but it still has a gateway. |
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| 20:55.15 | blondie | amortvigil: what OS is the desktop PC running? |
| 20:55.20 | enouf | chafe: modprobe ehci_hcd |
| 20:55.24 | enouf | chafe: modprobe ohci_hcd |
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| 20:55.36 | dvs | uhci_hcd too? ;-) |
| 20:55.58 | enouf | chafe: yep .. that's for 1.1 |
| 20:56.02 | enouf | only |
| 20:56.14 | enouf | I have no idea what hardware he has |
| 20:56.24 | amortvigil | blondie desktop is ubuntu |
| 20:56.26 | enouf | and it's like pulling teeth |
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| 20:56.49 | dvs | lspci | grep -i pci |
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| 20:57.13 | dvs | er... lspci | grep -i usb |
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| 20:57.20 | enouf | dvs: you and I know that .. but I asked for pastbin earlier (or so I thought) |
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| 20:57.39 | dvs | pastbin? ;-) pastebin I guess. |
| 20:57.52 | enouf | +e .. happy now :-p |
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| 20:58.34 | blondie | amortvigil: well, pastebin the contents of the "route" and "ifconfig" commands from that one please |
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| 21:00.39 | amortvigil | blondie how do i route again? |
| 21:00.57 | pelzi_ | route -n |
| 21:01.01 | pelzi_ | works a little better... |
| 21:01.04 | blondie | type that |
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| 21:02.07 | enouf | chafe: I wonder if a drxx will ask you for wacom tablet info .. try it (if you're comfortable using drxx ) .. or just edit the XF86Config-4 file manually .. but that's (can be) more dangerous |
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| 21:02.47 | chafe | i always edit the XF86Config file manually :x |
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| 21:03.28 | chafe | what the hell is drxx im not finding that package |
| 21:03.43 | amphi | !drxx chafe |
| 21:03.44 | dpkg | chafe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:04.30 | enouf | chafe: modprobe input -- see the wacom factoid URL from dpkg and use that as a guide |
| 21:04.32 | chafe | yea apt is not finding that package |
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| 21:04.57 | asg | chafe: which package? |
| 21:05.01 | chafe | drxx |
| 21:05.07 | asg | *sigh* |
| 21:05.09 | enouf | chafe: ^^ see the drxx factoid above |
| 21:05.11 | asg | !tell chafe about drxx |
| 21:06.16 | chafe | aah |
| 21:06.16 | enouf | asg: hehe .. by george I think he's got it |
| 21:06.17 | asg | let's hope so |
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| 21:06.17 | enouf | thanks amphi |
| 21:06.50 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: worked :) |
| 21:06.59 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: hey now ! |
| 21:07.08 | enouf | \o/ |
| 21:07.10 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: ISO in http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i :) |
| 21:07.25 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: which kernel ? .18? |
| 21:07.28 | ArchitectSinan | .19 |
| 21:07.32 | ArchitectSinan | .19rc7 |
| 21:07.34 | enouf | ahh.. ok |
| 21:07.50 | amortvigil | blondie Je kan de bot het een en ander bijleren. Als je dat |
| 21:07.52 | amortvigil | oeps |
| 21:07.54 | ArchitectSinan | btw, could you please tell me how can i rerun debian installer ? |
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| 21:08.09 | amortvigil | blondie http://pastebin.com/806646 |
| 21:08.12 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: huh? |
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| 21:08.22 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: i was about to select my apt sources by reset the machine unfortunately |
| 21:08.40 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: i want continue from the apt-setup step |
| 21:08.47 | enouf | !lart me for being mean to blondie |
| 21:08.55 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: i was about to select my apt sources but reset the machine unfortunately |
| 21:08.56 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: i want continue from the apt-setup step |
| 21:09.04 | blondie | o.O |
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| 21:09.14 | enouf | :-) |
| 21:09.26 | blondie | amortvigil: I can't get that to load. |
| 21:09.46 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: hrmmm .. boot into ISO again? |
| 21:09.55 | amortvigil | blondie http://pastebin.com/806646 |
| 21:10.15 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: oh .. I see .. you likely need to start fresh - since you reset |
| 21:10.40 | ArchitectSinan | enouf :( ok then |
| 21:10.42 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: not positive though |
| 21:10.50 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: at least i've got a solution :) |
| 21:10.59 | ArchitectSinan | enouf: thanks so much again :) |
| 21:11.06 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: happy . |
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| 21:11.38 | enouf | ArchitectSinan: don't forget to thank the author/maintainer .. kenshi |
| 21:12.22 | blondie | amortvigil: can you do "route" on the one that doesnt work? |
| 21:12.54 | amortvigil | i did its in the pastebin |
| 21:13.12 | hburchey | How can I purge my old linux-image? I get this error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/lEFYEH60.html |
| 21:14.08 | pelzi_ | what is 10.0.0.1 |
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| 21:14.16 | pelzi_ | and is 10.0.0.151 used by something |
| 21:14.40 | pelzi_ | and what the heck is broadcast 10.0.0.138 |
| 21:14.52 | pelzi_ | the broadcast damn sure isn't that |
| 21:14.53 | blondie | yeah that's wrong |
| 21:15.00 | blondie | you probably want 10.0.0.255 |
| 21:15.07 | asg | hburchey: hack the postrm script to return 0 early to allow the automated mechanism to complete. Then manually clean up the cruft. |
| 21:15.16 | pelzi_ | no, you want nothing and let the kernel calculate it for itself. |
| 21:15.26 | blondie | well true |
| 21:16.02 | enouf | hburchey: wonder if '--purge remove' is needed in aptitude .. I use apt-get mostly |
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| 21:16.48 | sjr | What is the easiest way to setup a key for apache ssl, like a guide or whatever. I'm looking on google, and all of these are more complex than I remember it being. |
| 21:17.12 | enouf | man ssl_keygen |
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| 21:17.35 | dondelelcaro | !self signed ssl key |
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| 21:17.35 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 21:17.57 | pelzi_ | you'll want more days |
| 21:18.08 | sjr | that's it |
| 21:18.08 | dondelelcaro | well, you can set it to however many days you like. |
| 21:18.12 | sjr | Yup I know |
| 21:18.25 | sjr | a millenium is how long this key will be good for |
| 21:18.34 | dondelelcaro | (so long as it's less than the length of the 32 bit epoch) |
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| 21:18.38 | enouf | doh .. ssh-keygen ..sorry - but folow dondelelcaro |
| 21:18.42 | hburchey | asg, Where are the postrm scripts kept? |
| 21:18.42 | enouf | +l |
| 21:19.32 | dvs | dondek: 30 years? That's all? ;-) |
| 21:19.43 | anti-trend | Apologies if I missed this topic several times already, but does anyone know WTF is up with kdesu? |
| 21:19.47 | dondelelcaro | hburchey: in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 21:19.56 | dondelelcaro | anti-trend: check the bts |
| 21:19.57 | tech | what kernel package should i use when i have an amd xp3000+, should i use -686 package? |
| 21:20.06 | pelzi_ | k7 |
| 21:20.08 | dvs | tech: yes |
| 21:20.22 | pelzi_ | the difference is minimal anyway |
| 21:21.19 | tech | dvs, this package exists: linux-image-2.6.17-2-486, the package i am running now is linux-image-2.6/linux-image-2.6.15-1-486, why doesn't it upgrade to the latest one? |
| 21:21.45 | dvs | !info linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 21:21.51 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-486: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on x86), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+3 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
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| 21:22.01 | dvs | tech: Do you have that package? |
| 21:22.03 | dondelelcaro | !info linux-image-k7 |
| 21:22.05 | findme | kdesu wtf |
| 21:22.08 | dpkg | linux-image-k7: (Linux kernel image on AMD K7), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+3 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 21:22.10 | dondelelcaro | the above is what you should be installing... |
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| 21:22.15 | sjr | hmmmm dondelelcaro question, where is the pem certificate |
| 21:22.22 | tech | dvs, no i only have linux-image-2.6 |
| 21:22.22 | sjr | I have a place to put the key |
| 21:22.25 | tech | !info linux-image-2.6 |
| 21:22.27 | dondelelcaro | sjr: the pem is just the concatenation of the .key and .crt |
| 21:22.32 | sjr | ah |
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| 21:22.52 | sjr | cat server.key > server.pem && cat server.crt > server.pem |
| 21:22.54 | dvs | tech, well, the above package is the one you need if you want the kernel upgraded automatically. |
| 21:23.03 | tech | dvs, dpkg said the package did not exist, but i do have it here, heh |
| 21:23.04 | dondelelcaro | sjr: just cat server.key server.crt > server.pem |
| 21:23.12 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 21:23.14 | Kassah | I added a source to my sources list... I want to see what I have apt-got from it so I can remove the packages before I remove the source |
| 21:23.26 | pelzi_ | and > can't be used twice, use >> |
| 21:24.22 | dondelelcaro | well, it can, but opening a file O_TRUNC is probably not what you want |
| 21:24.29 | pelzi_ | yep. |
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| 21:24.43 | enouf | hburchey: concerning your "recommends" and "suggests" issues -- notice 'apt-get -u dselect-upgrade' see section 3.7 Using APT with dselect --> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 21:24.59 | tech | dvs, what would be the best way to remove my current kernel and install linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 21:25.09 | pelzi_ | why remove the current one... |
| 21:25.18 | pelzi_ | do you want to get an unbootable system? |
| 21:25.31 | dvs | tech: Well, I'd install linux-image-2.6-686 first then reboot then remove the old kernel |
| 21:25.32 | enouf | tech: atleast intall the new one first :-p |
| 21:25.46 | pelzi_ | I'd recommend keeping the old one |
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| 21:25.49 | streuner | tech: there are people who have more than 10 kernels installed... |
| 21:25.56 | pelzi_ | the problems appear the second you remove the working one |
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| 21:26.17 | Kassah | any ideas on finding out all packages installed from a source? |
| 21:26.34 | dondelelcaro | Kassah: if you mean a sources.list source, that can't be done. |
| 21:27.03 | dondelelcaro | you can find out from which sources a package could have been installed, but there's currently no tracking of from whence a package came. |
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| 21:27.24 | Kassah | dondelelcaro: can I get a list of packages no longer in any of my sources? |
| 21:27.26 | enouf | anti-trend: why on earth are you using kdesu |
| 21:27.43 | dondelelcaro | Kassah: aptitude will give you that |
| 21:27.46 | anti-trend | enouf: why not? |
| 21:28.11 | enouf | anti-trend: running a browser as root is not healthy |
| 21:28.24 | anti-trend | enouf: who said anything about a browser? |
| 21:28.30 | Kassah | dondelelcaro: is there a command line tool to do it? |
| 21:28.38 | enouf | anti-trend: nor most any X apps or GUI apps |
| 21:28.42 | anti-trend | enouf: more like tools such as synaptic |
| 21:28.42 | Kassah | oh wait |
| 21:28.44 | Kassah | duh |
| 21:29.09 | dondelelcaro | Kassah: aptitude is a command line tool |
| 21:29.21 | Kassah | ntoiced that after I looked at the screenshots |
| 21:29.29 | enouf | anti-trend: synaptic is buggy if not broken .. use apt-get or aptitude from CLI |
| 21:29.48 | dvs | or dselect |
| 21:29.58 | anti-trend | enouf: I don't disagree, but kdesu 1.0 on Etch seems to be doing 'sudo' instead of 'su' now. Is Debian getting on board with *ubuntu's stupid way of handling the root account? |
| 21:30.00 | enouf | runs after dvs |
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| 21:30.39 | enouf | anti-trend: I haven't used it .. but it's installed .. lemme see my version |
| 21:30.53 | pelzi_ | disabling root login isn't that bad as a default... it should be re-enabled in many cases though |
| 21:31.08 | Kassah | dondelelcaro: Obsolete and Locally Created Packages? |
| 21:31.24 | pelzi_ | you want to login as root once your NIS or ldap breaks. |
| 21:31.36 | pelzi_ | if you can't, you'll be pissed |
| 21:31.43 | g333k | !skype |
| 21:31.43 | dpkg | it has been said that skype is a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols, or debs for skype are available with and without a static qt library from http://debian-unofficial.org, or for official debs, add "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" to sources.list. |
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| 21:32.12 | anti-trend | pelzi_: I dunno, it seems like a big step backwards for almost no gain |
| 21:32.24 | ttick | where might I start looking for the configuration file where I can assign mail to go to /home/username instead of /var/spool/mail/username ? |
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| 21:33.08 | pelzi_ | anti-trend: well, it helps the clueless who have a bad root password and an sshd |
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| 21:33.30 | anti-trend | pelzi_: I think it's bad enough to have wheel off by default in Linux, but giving a user sudo to ALL is just crazy to me. What am I missing here? |
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| 21:33.35 | enouf | anti-trend: well /usr/bin/kdesu says Qt: 3.3.6, KDE: 3.5.3, KDE su: 1.0 -- so what's rthe prob agaiun anyway? |
| 21:33.59 | Kevin` | anti-trend it's not crazy if the user is YOU |
| 21:34.09 | pelzi_ | is it given to all? oh well, never used ubuntu |
| 21:34.21 | anti-trend | enouf: kdesu seems to be trying to sudo instead of su |
| 21:34.24 | Guerin | anti-trend: wheel is more or less useless in a modern unix with password encryption |
| 21:34.49 | Guerin | anti-trend: giving sudoers ALL as a matter of course *is* categorically insane, however. |
| 21:34.58 | pelzi_ | and shadow exists too. |
| 21:35.03 | anti-trend | Guerin: not necessarily, as you won't want users such as guests or remote accounts to be able to even try another user account |
| 21:35.13 | Kevin` | I use wheel to designate which users are admins, for sudo access |
| 21:35.27 | Guerin | anti-trend: why not? |
| 21:35.40 | Guerin | anti-trend: let them try; all attempts are logged. |
| 21:35.41 | pelzi_ | well, su works always. sudo doesn't |
| 21:35.56 | Guerin | anti-trend: and what are these 'guests' you refer to? |
| 21:35.57 | niles | when i change my resolution to 1280x1024, the desktop runs off the page. but i like the size of the wndow boardes and icons. is there a way to get around this? |
| 21:35.58 | rayhanah1 | salut tt le monde |
| 21:36.27 | streuner | rayhanah1: salut, please english here |
| 21:36.37 | SubStack | #debian-fr I think |
| 21:36.53 | streuner | !fr |
| 21:36.53 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:36.54 | anti-trend | Guerin: sorry, I was tied up, back now |
| 21:37.13 | enouf | anti-trend: hrmmm .. I don;t have that issue .. mybe the kioslave is borked |
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| 21:37.56 | anti-trend | Guerin: Say you want to give someone SFTP on your box. Why should they have the option of privilege escalation if you don't want them to? There should be various levels of trust IMHO |
| 21:38.10 | enouf | anti-trend: I run Debian ..not ubuntu ..and my sudoers file is setup to allow ME (only) to do anything using sudo - not everyone |
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| 21:38.14 | sbgodin | Gnurdux... Sound like bzflag... |
| 21:38.16 | niles | err i mean my desktop runs off the monitor |
| 21:38.28 | niles | when i change the resolution that is. |
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| 21:38.44 | enouf | anti-trend: chroot jail them - as an alternative |
| 21:38.44 | pelzi_ | scponly. |
| 21:38.51 | rayhanah1 | i dont speak inglin verry well |
| 21:38.54 | anti-trend | enouf: I run deb as well, but I only use sudo for commands which cannot result in system destruction, such as an apt update script and other common things |
| 21:39.02 | niles | is there anywhere else in gnome, where i can adjust the size of my icons and windows boarders? |
| 21:39.02 | Gnurdux | sbgodin, what about bzflag? |
| 21:39.05 | Gnurdux | its the same gnurdux |
| 21:39.14 | anti-trend | enouf: I do, but I am arguing for the usefullness of wheel |
| 21:39.19 | rayhanah1 | but please do u know a french room |
| 21:39.22 | Guerin | anti-trend: rsh |
| 21:39.25 | streuner | !fr |
| 21:39.26 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:39.27 | Gnurdux | i have a half-decent connection (cable) so some people host on my box |
| 21:39.35 | niles | yea, this is america damn it. |
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| 21:39.37 | niles | speak english. |
| 21:39.47 | pelzi_ | who said this is America? |
| 21:39.52 | enouf | anti-trend: hehe . believe it or not .. a apt-get remove kernel-image can do breaking wonders |
| 21:39.52 | Gnurdux | me |
| 21:39.52 | rayhanah1 | ok im sorry |
| 21:40.01 | streuner | rayhanah1: try, maybe we can help |
| 21:40.06 | pelzi_ | how civilized... |
| 21:40.09 | niles | pelzi_ : me and my buddy bush ! |
| 21:40.12 | Gnurdux | enouf, generally without a kernel the system doesn't like to boot |
| 21:40.18 | pelzi_ | this is irc, not america. dammit :P |
| 21:40.22 | enouf | Gnurdux: my point exactly |
| 21:40.23 | niles | xD |
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| 21:40.37 | Gnurdux | i used to like to ocmpile the kernel, but now im too lazy |
| 21:40.50 | niles | i used to do that in gentoo. |
| 21:40.54 | pelzi_ | no point in compiling in normal situations |
| 21:40.57 | niles | but my ATI sucks to much for gentoo |
| 21:41.00 | pelzi_ | takes ages and no benefits. |
| 21:41.05 | h3sp4wn | anti-trend: use the scponly shell or rssh (if you want to restrict people to scp sftp) - you can use pam wheel |
| 21:41.07 | anti-trend | enouf: thanks for trying to reproduce, it may actually have something to do with the step up to KDE 3.5.5 |
| 21:41.16 | pelzi_ | embedded systems and other things are an exception |
| 21:41.19 | enouf | anti-trend: sems as such I'd say |
| 21:41.20 | Gnurdux | pelzi_, the kenrel takes like 20 minutes |
| 21:41.22 | enouf | +e |
| 21:41.22 | Gnurdux | thats not ages |
| 21:41.29 | pelzi_ | it's long enough |
| 21:41.40 | pelzi_ | and well, on slow machines it is not 20 minutes |
| 21:41.41 | Gnurdux | when i compiled the kernel i did it overnight |
| 21:41.48 | Gnurdux | i have a p4 2.8ghz |
| 21:41.51 | dvs | Gnurdux: ouch! |
| 21:41.59 | Gnurdux | that sucks? |
| 21:42.03 | Gnurdux | not that much |
| 21:42.05 | pelzi_ | well I have a PIII 800mhz |
| 21:42.09 | Gnurdux | oww |
| 21:42.11 | Guerin | and chroot over ssh is both stupid and insecure |
| 21:42.12 | anti-trend | h3sp4wn: I do both actually, though not exactly, the same concept. I am simply saying "what is wrong with wheel"? |
| 21:42.21 | Gnurdux | i used to have a pentium 233mhz |
| 21:42.29 | enouf | anti-trend: once you run it .. ps -aux | grep kdesu parhaps -- notice the command line / kioslave / whatever?? - but I haven't upGraded in a while now |
| 21:42.30 | Gnurdux | cause my parents just gave me their own box |
| 21:42.33 | Gnurdux | *old |
| 21:42.37 | pelzi_ | well this is a completely conscious decision |
| 21:42.41 | Gnurdux | 8 years old and useless |
| 21:42.44 | enouf | anti-trend: check BTS fwiw |
| 21:42.49 | Gnurdux | but i got this a couple years ago |
| 21:42.49 | pelzi_ | I have a 2800+ amd64 lying around |
| 21:42.59 | Gnurdux | isnt that a LOT better? |
| 21:43.03 | enouf | anti-trend: I've heard some broken KDE issues in the upgrade |
| 21:43.04 | pelzi_ | I rather use a nice lappy for everything |
| 21:43.05 | Gnurdux | thats like 2ghz |
| 21:43.12 | Gnurdux | and 64 bit |
| 21:43.16 | pelzi_ | so? |
| 21:43.19 | Guerin | anti-trend: it's obscurity |
| 21:43.21 | Gnurdux | and more instructions per clock probably |
| 21:43.25 | pelzi_ | it's not a lappy, and it's not IBM |
| 21:43.28 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 21:43.35 | pelzi_ | besides, a 400mhz celeron would be fine |
| 21:43.45 | Gnurdux | the 2800 is probably as fast as my pentium |
| 21:43.52 | pelzi_ | I don't use resource hungry, ugly eye-candy apps. |
| 21:44.03 | pelzi_ | exactly. |
| 21:44.04 | Gnurdux | which fits into tthat description |
| 21:44.06 | Gnurdux | :P |
| 21:44.09 | Gnurdux | not as much as KDE |
| 21:44.26 | pelzi_ | well gnome-terminal used 50 megs for one window... |
| 21:44.37 | Gnurdux | what i hate about kde is that if you run ONE kde app it automatically starts ALL of the KDE junk |
| 21:44.38 | anti-trend | enouf: I typically use apt-get / apt-cache and bypass graphical tools for such things, but some friends rely heavily on the graphical tools. I tried to repro their problems, and lo-and-behold, I could. I was just hoping nobody would say "Yeah, Debian is going to a sudo/all scheme like Ubuntu!" |
| 21:44.38 | pelzi_ | (I know about shared libraries) |
| 21:44.41 | nvz | Gnurdux: its not a 2800 that was an Atari.. its a 2800+ and thats AMD and it means its + than your intel |
| 21:45.04 | dvs | nvz: Atari was 2600, not 2800 |
| 21:45.11 | nvz | ah |
| 21:45.15 | enouf | its likely 32bit also |
| 21:45.16 | Gnurdux | anti-trend, the graphical tools are HARDER to use then just using apt-get |
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| 21:45.34 | Gnurdux | apt-get and apt-cache to me are much simpler to use as long as you know how to use them |
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| 21:45.39 | enouf | unless it's a newer Sempron .. but they even suck for 64bit |
| 21:45.40 | Guerin | anti-trend: never gonna happen. |
| 21:45.47 | anti-trend | Gnurdux: preaching to the choir, but that doesn't mean that users shouldn't have a choice about it either |
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| 21:45.55 | pelzi_ | it's the cheapest sempron |
| 21:46.01 | anti-trend | Guerin: if you're right, thank God for that. :) |
| 21:46.10 | enouf | anti-trend: check out and ask #debian-kde and #kde they would know |
| 21:46.10 | Gnurdux | anti-trend: of course not, but they should still learn how to use APT |
| 21:46.10 | pelzi_ | it's the cheapest system with 4 satas and a gigabit lan. |
| 21:46.21 | Gnurdux | if they still prefer synaptic then they can use it :P |
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| 21:46.38 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 21:46.47 | anti-trend | exactly. :P |
| 21:47.00 | Gnurdux | BSE == Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy == mad cow |
| 21:47.11 | Gnurdux | freebse, are you implying that you dislike freebsd? |
| 21:47.18 | anti-trend | I am so used to apt from CLI I didn't even know about synaptic until recently, to be honest |
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| 21:47.28 | enouf | anti-trend: curiously .. ever try K Package Manager -- > now that's really a GUI |
| 21:47.36 | pelzi_ | I got a terabyte of sata disks, so I practically had to get a new box, since I also wanted a gigabit lan |
| 21:47.42 | anti-trend | Gnurdux: agreed, but that wasn't the topic I was addressing |
| 21:47.43 | Gnurdux | apt actually is one of the easiest to use console tools |
| 21:47.45 | apt | okay, Gnurdux |
| 21:47.48 | Gnurdux | lol |
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| 21:47.54 | Gnurdux | nice bot |
| 21:47.56 | enouf | apt love me |
| 21:47.58 | apt | If you love enouf so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 21:47.58 | pelzi_ | I hate the graphical package tools... too much clicking |
| 21:48.03 | nvz | apt, forget apt actually |
| 21:48.03 | apt | nvz: i didn't have anything called 'apt actually' to forget |
| 21:48.05 | enouf | hehe |
| 21:48.11 | nvz | apt, forget actually |
| 21:48.12 | apt | nvz: i forgot actually |
| 21:48.12 | Gnurdux | apt, forget apt |
| 21:48.12 | apt | Gnurdux: i forgot apt |
| 21:48.30 | nvz | apt, remember apt |
| 21:48.31 | apt | How can i forget about apt ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 21:48.36 | anti-trend | I've always said, anything you can do from cli you can script. It's much better overall, but graphical tools are a good first step for many |
| 21:48.37 | enouf | !gothsmite nvz |
| 21:48.49 | Guerin | why are we having a bot orgy? |
| 21:48.50 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 21:48.54 | Guerin | get a room |
| 21:49.08 | Gnurdux | apt, lart dpkg |
| 21:49.13 | Gnurdux | dpkg, lart apt |
| 21:49.27 | Gnurdux | apt, dpkg, ne1 |
| 21:49.30 | Guerin | Gnurdux: beatdowns will commence in 5 ... 4 ... |
| 21:49.38 | dvs | alright, alright, that's enough |
| 21:49.40 | Gnurdux | ok |
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| 21:50.34 | jindal | got a query on apt :) can it download using more than 1 connection? |
| 21:50.53 | dvs | jindal: not to the same source |
| 21:51.14 | jindal | mean getting different packages concurrently |
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| 21:51.20 | olleolleolle | Dear Debian channel. I locked myself out of mysql by forgetting the root password, and I need to get back in. http://lists.mysql.com/mysql/171366 says how I should do it on a Windows box. |
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| 21:51.50 | olleolleolle | My problem: the mysqld_safe keeps reviving, I can't kill it. Which is a good thing, in other circumstances. |
| 21:54.12 | Xenguy | olleolleolle: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/442 |
| 21:54.25 | Xenguy | oh well |
| 21:55.36 | hid3 | Is there any way to force the system command `mail' to use a specific smtp server for sending messages outside the local system? |
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| 22:00.26 | Kassah | is there a way to remove things from /etc/ while telling debconf that a package should reset it up when I install it again? |
| 22:01.12 | Gnurdux | Kassah, dpkg -P package |
| 22:01.21 | Gnurdux | that deletes a package and all its config |
| 22:01.26 | Kassah | oo |
| 22:01.37 | Kassah | that would be awsome if the package hadn't already been deleted =( |
| 22:01.38 | Gnurdux | it "purges" the package |
| 22:01.44 | Gnurdux | Kassah, still works |
| 22:01.49 | Gnurdux | i ran into that problem once |
| 22:01.55 | Gnurdux | i deleted a package then deleted its config |
| 22:02.04 | Gnurdux | the problem is dpkg "remembers" that the config is there |
| 22:02.18 | Gnurdux | but if you do -P it purges whatever config is remaining and forgets about it entirely |
| 22:02.18 | h3sp4wn | !dpkg tell Gnurdux about confmiss |
| 22:02.26 | Gnurdux | then it can reinstall fresh |
| 22:02.35 | exobyte | How can I install some x86 libs along side my amd64 ones? vmware needs some x86 libraries |
| 22:02.39 | Gnurdux | so that will do it Kassah |
| 22:02.44 | Kassah | kewl |
| 22:02.49 | Gnurdux | dpkg -P package |
| 22:02.51 | Kassah | is there any way to do like php* |
| 22:02.54 | Gnurdux | whether or not its installed |
| 22:03.01 | Gnurdux | well all of the php ones will depend on php |
| 22:03.08 | Gnurdux | try: |
| 22:03.13 | Gnurdux | dpkg -l | grep php |
| 22:03.14 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep php |
| 22:03.35 | Kassah | what does rc/ii mean in the leftmost column? |
| 22:03.50 | Gnurdux | ii is installed rc is deleted but not purged i think |
| 22:03.56 | Gnurdux | just purge em all |
| 22:04.03 | Gnurdux | then apt get em all |
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| 22:04.06 | Kassah | shweet... that command is NICE |
| 22:04.14 | Gnurdux | what command, dpkg -P? |
| 22:04.24 | Kassah | dpkg -l |
| 22:04.24 | Gnurdux | dpkg is debian's actual package manager |
| 22:04.27 | Gnurdux | ah yes |
| 22:04.31 | Gnurdux | lists all packages |
| 22:04.34 | Gnurdux | that are installed |
| 22:04.40 | Kassah | can I expand the second column |
| 22:04.40 | Gnurdux | or removed but not purged |
| 22:04.47 | Kassah | it doesn't seem to be fitting the entire package name of some of them |
| 22:04.55 | Gnurdux | maximize your terminal |
| 22:05.04 | Gnurdux | and try again, it probably uses curses or something |
| 22:05.11 | Kassah | nope =( |
| 22:05.26 | Gnurdux | whats getting cut off? |
| 22:05.31 | Gnurdux | ~pastebin |
| 22:05.32 | apt | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 22:05.34 | Gnurdux | pastebin it |
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| 22:05.48 | Gnurdux | the output |
| 22:06.37 | Kassah | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 22:06.39 | vin` | Kassah: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 22:06.40 | Kassah | err |
| 22:06.49 | Gnurdux | pastebin.ca is the best one |
| 22:07.01 | Kassah | sweet |
| 22:07.44 | Gnurdux | ok you have to submit it |
| 22:07.49 | Gnurdux | then it gives yo ua URL |
| 22:07.52 | Gnurdux | you say the URL here |
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| 22:08.55 | Gnurdux | Kassah, |
| 22:09.12 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 22:09.17 | Gnurdux | you used pastebin.com |
| 22:09.24 | Gnurdux | and didnt say the URL |
| 22:09.37 | Gnurdux | pastebin.com is slowwww |
| 22:09.48 | Gnurdux | omg |
| 22:10.02 | Gnurdux | Kassah, you should repaste it at pastebin.ca |
| 22:10.08 | Kassah | yeah... sorry... the COLUMNs answer worked |
| 22:10.10 | Xenguy | !enter |
| 22:10.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 22:10.44 | Gnurdux | ohh didnt see that |
| 22:11.00 | Gnurdux | cool |
| 22:11.52 | AlleyKat | ehmm another newb question - which setting is the right one in putty to have chars shown properly? :S |
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| 22:12.04 | robin_z | umm .. 3 |
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| 22:12.10 | Gnurdux | this isn't #putty |
| 22:12.10 | robin_z | no wait, |
| 22:12.11 | robin_z | 2 |
| 22:12.43 | Gnurdux | thats not related to debian except your using putty to connect to your debian box |
| 22:12.47 | AlleyKat | my national charset has æøå - this is only shown right if I set it to UTF-8 translation, but then all lines and boxes are busted |
| 22:13.18 | AlleyKat | ehm true I guess, but maybe I can change it on the box instead... hmm |
| 22:13.23 | Gnurdux | ah |
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| 22:13.34 | Gnurdux | try using ssh on cygwin or osmething |
| 22:13.43 | Gnurdux | or just delete windows on the box with putty :D |
| 22:13.51 | robin_z | yeuw. cygwin. |
| 22:14.33 | robin_z | you'll get no sense out of me tonight .. ive been on the beer a bit :) isnt IRC great when you a drunk .. ;) |
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| 22:15.36 | Gnurdux | IRC wouldn't be great on LSD |
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| 22:15.42 | Gnurdux | since you couldn't read it :P |
| 22:16.26 | AlleyKat | heh I'm quite wary of installing Linux instead |
| 22:16.54 | AlleyKat | I have a smaller pc besides me, on which I installed Fedora - just to try it... huuuuge disappointment |
| 22:17.02 | robin_z | no, really, those debian instal CDs work fine right alongside Windows |
| 22:17.26 | AlleyKat | first thing I get, a desktop with explorer. I was so impressed, I was speechless |
| 22:17.35 | robin_z | you know the bit where it says "caution : about delete all your data"? |
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| 22:18.04 | robin_z | ignore that, its just a joke, just keep hitting "yes" and "I agree" until its done. |
| 22:18.06 | AlleyKat | yep, just skip it and press 'format' right? |
| 22:18.13 | robin_z | you got it! |
| 22:18.17 | exobyte | anyone know if VMs in vmware benefit from a 64 bit cpu? |
| 22:19.41 | AlleyKat | with cygwin at least I have a kinda shell and windows ;) |
| 22:19.58 | Kassah | sweeet... all traces of dotdeb's PHP and MySQL is gone now! yay! |
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| 22:27.37 | ec_ | I am recovering from an xfs crash, and I got the fs repaired and working with xfs_repair, but now I am trying to fix about 200 missing files that are in /lost+found |
| 22:28.01 | ec_ | is there any way to list the files that dpkg thinks should be installed versus those that are actually present? |
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| 22:28.30 | pelzi_ | I think it's best to install from scratch |
| 22:28.53 | pelzi_ | you can easily get the installed packages and config from what you recovered |
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| 22:29.27 | pelzi_ | even restoring a completely good backup can be tricky... a damaged fs can have pretty nasty things hiding in it |
| 22:29.41 | enouf | ec_: I don't understand ..but dpkg -l | grep ^.i will show you installed pkgs |
| 22:30.01 | Kassah | what's the apt-get command to update all out of date packages? |
| 22:30.23 | ec_ | enouf, I guess I could run that through apt-file list and then stat each of the files or something |
| 22:30.27 | enouf | Kassah: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:30.49 | enouf | Kassah: are you trying to doa distribution upgrade ..? from Sarge -> Etch? |
| 22:31.15 | enouf | ec_: I'm not getting what you need is all .. perhaps try to explain a differnet way |
| 22:31.17 | Kassah | mmm... |
| 22:31.37 | Kassah | well I was talking about non-distro upgrade... however if there is a more current stable than 3.1... I'd like to do that too |
| 22:31.39 | enouf | Kassah: use the -s for simulation --> apt-get -s upgrade |
| 22:31.41 | pelzi_ | he wants to list all files in all installed packages |
| 22:31.51 | ec_ | no it's fine, I just had a mal-formed question with an obvious answer |
| 22:32.10 | enouf | Kassah: then just the regular .. don't use dist-upgrade unless you were moving up in versions |
| 22:32.28 | enouf | ec_: I like that description |
| 22:33.27 | reasm | I'm using etch, and just wondering, are the Debian GNOME packages the same as the Ubuntu ones now? |
| 22:33.29 | enouf | Kassah: meaning up to etch .. you will get upgraded to 3.1r3 just by apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 22:33.45 | enouf | !sarge 3.1r3 |
| 22:33.46 | dpkg | Sarge 3.1r3 has been released as of Sept 1st: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2006/msg00004.html, or if you are already running sarge and have a security line in sources.list you are already running 3.1r3, ask me about <security> |
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| 22:34.40 | Abdc1114 | hi boys.. hi guys.. Someone told me that in FreeBSD I can set a max of process an user can run simultaniously. Anyone knows if is it possible using Debian? |
| 22:34.47 | enouf | reasm: /msg dpkg based on Debian |
| 22:34.48 | pelzi_ | ulimit |
| 22:35.20 | reasm | enouf, no, not that |
| 22:35.28 | Kassah | yep |
| 22:35.33 | reasm | I'm just asking because there are Ubuntu icons that I see, yet I'm running Debian |
| 22:35.44 | Kassah | I'm annoyed that imagemagick package depends on X |
| 22:35.48 | Gnurdux | Abdc1114, in freebsd thats set by default |
| 22:35.51 | Gnurdux | i think |
| 22:35.58 | enouf | reasm: well .. do you have ubuntu repos in your sources.list? |
| 22:35.58 | Gnurdux | but linux supports it to |
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| 22:36.16 | reasm | enouf, nah, I just installed Debian fresh |
| 22:36.17 | Gnurdux | i dunno how but i know it can be done; thats how you prevent forkbombs |
| 22:36.24 | Abdc1114 | Gnurdux Yeah.. but the company I'm gonna cash my vds doesn't offers freebsd. The best among the possibilites are Debian |
| 22:36.42 | Gnurdux | vds? |
| 22:36.49 | enouf | reasm: what makes you think they're not Debian Icons .. perhaps found also in Ubuntu? |
| 22:36.51 | reasm | in the desktop menu, under Administration, there's an ubuntu logo on the Software Properties icon |
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| 22:37.04 | Gnurdux | whats a VDS? |
| 22:37.08 | pelzi_ | well, man ulimit |
| 22:37.13 | enouf | reasm: umm .. something is w-a-y wrong |
| 22:37.19 | Abdc1114 | A virtual dedicated server |
| 22:37.24 | Gnurdux | oh a VPS |
| 22:37.29 | Abdc1114 | yes |
| 22:37.31 | reasm | enouf, cory@debian:~$ uname -a |
| 22:37.31 | reasm | Linux debian 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:37.34 | Gnurdux | yes ulimitsa |
| 22:37.39 | Gnurdux | *ulimits |
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| 22:37.45 | Gnurdux | man ulimit like he said |
| 22:38.00 | Abdc1114 | humm. |
| 22:38.01 | Abdc1114 | thanks |
| 22:38.01 | Abdc1114 | :D |
| 22:38.02 | pelzi_ | if that does not help, google ulimit. |
| 22:38.11 | pelzi_ | and good night. |
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| 22:38.36 | enouf | reasm: ok .. try this cat /etc/debian_version -- and cat /proc/version |
| 22:38.54 | enouf | reasm: but maybe you installed a GNOME or KDE Theme pkg .. whio knows |
| 22:38.59 | reasm | testing/unstable |
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| 22:39.12 | Abdc1114 | ehehe |
| 22:39.16 | Abdc1114 | Good night.. tanks boys |
| 22:39.16 | enouf | reasm: one more for the win |
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| 22:39.24 | reasm | Linux version 2.6.17-2-686 (Debian 2.6.17-9) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13)) #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 |
| 22:39.40 | enouf | reasm: Nice .. ok -- we finally believe you :-) |
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| 22:39.51 | daddius | hey anyone know how to turn off the cpu tempature coming from kernel? |
| 22:40.11 | reasm | hahaha, yeah... I'm 100% sure I installed Debian (sounds like you guys have a few problems with Ubuntu users asking questions in here...) |
| 22:40.16 | Moorenkopf | hi. comming from gentoo I installed debian etch today. I wanted to install the nvidia drivers (including glx), but I end up reading lots of different HowTos not working. So could anyone give me a hint? Kernel is 2.6.17-2-486 |
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| 22:41.01 | Guerin | Moorenkopf: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 22:41.01 | enouf | reasm: wonder about your DE is all then .. that's a weirdo - try the respective DE channels #Gnome, #Kde or #Debian-kde |
| 22:41.10 | Moorenkopf | thanks |
| 22:41.16 | enouf | reasm: yep .. sure do |
| 22:41.42 | reasm | enouf, nah, my question is just... are the guys at Debian starting to include some of the Ubuntu GNOME packages |
| 22:41.52 | enouf | reasm: got any Sid/Unstable repos listed in sources.list? |
| 22:42.04 | enouf | reasm: dunno .. |
| 22:42.07 | reasm | enouf, not that I know of, I installed from a testing netinst CD |
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| 22:42.54 | reasm | enouf, first time using Debian in a while, and I see the software update panel applet that's in Ubuntu, and also an Ubuntu icon, so... yeah |
| 22:43.27 | gravity | reasm: Yeah, that's installed now by default |
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| 22:43.41 | enouf | reasm: try those other channels .. review the mailing lists .. otherwise .. maybe you got hacked already :-p |
| 22:43.45 | gravity | reasm: I assume that the icon is a bug, you may want to file one if it's not |
| 22:43.50 | enouf | doh |
| 22:44.12 | reasm | gravity, so, they're still using the Debian GNOME packages, they're just integrating some of the changes from Ubuntu? |
| 22:44.13 | enouf | reasm: check BTS |
| 22:44.17 | daddius | A/exit |
| 22:44.25 | gravity | reasm: "they"? |
| 22:44.37 | reasm | gravity, the Debian GNOME packagers |
| 22:45.10 | gravity | reasm: I don't think the software update is under the Debian gnome team's aegis |
| 22:45.32 | gravity | reasm: I think the utnubu guys pulled it from ubuntu and made it part of the desktop task |
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| 22:46.28 | enouf | !tell Moorenkopf about nvidia |
| 22:46.34 | reasm | gravity, ah... ok, I was afraid for a second (thought Debian was turning into Ubuntu...) |
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| 22:46.56 | gravity | reasm: I'm sure that if you file a bug with a new icon against the package they'd be interested |
| 22:47.14 | enouf | Moorenkopf: /msg dpkg nvidia installer |
| 22:47.32 | reasm | gravity, yeah, I can only imagine that they're already aware of the icon |
| 22:47.42 | reasm | and... it is etch... |
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| 22:48.51 | enouf | reasm: sure you're not that other guy .. ermm anti-trend? |
| 22:49.04 | reasm | enouf, anti-trend? |
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| 22:49.20 | findme | is there a video to flash converter for linux? mpeg to flash |
| 22:49.33 | enouf | bah ... nm |
| 22:49.45 | enouf | dinner! |
| 22:51.15 | Guerin | findme: what would be the point of that? |
| 22:51.29 | Guerin | break a perfectly good format by turing it into flash, what a stupid idea |
| 22:51.54 | findme | Guerin, 1st step towards making a clone of youtube :-) |
| 22:52.16 | Guerin | findme: dict futility |
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| 22:52.48 | dylan_ | anybody here running a completely free Debian GNU system? |
| 22:52.49 | findme | Guerin, there goes the idea down the toilet.. |
| 22:53.06 | Guerin | dylan_: yep |
| 22:53.21 | dylan_ | Guerin, cool. can i pm you? |
| 22:53.30 | Guerin | dylan_: what about? |
| 22:53.36 | dylan_ | Guerin, multimedia |
| 22:53.39 | Guerin | heh |
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| 22:53.44 | Kassah | how do I rerun a package's configuration? |
| 22:53.52 | dylan_ | Kassah, dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 22:53.53 | Guerin | now it gets fuzzy |
| 22:54.12 | Guerin | dylan_: ask in-channel, most such issues are ontopic |
| 22:54.18 | dylan_ | ok |
| 22:54.27 | dylan_ | did you have to chmod 666 /dev/dsp to get non-choppy sound? |
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| 22:54.31 | dylan_ | or more than 1 channel? |
| 22:54.38 | ma3x | hello |
| 22:54.49 | ma3x | how do I find out how many blocks has the hard disk? |
| 22:54.50 | Guerin | dylan_: no. |
| 22:54.54 | dylan_ | hmm |
| 22:54.56 | Guerin | ma3x: df |
| 22:55.02 | dylan_ | are in group: audio |
| 22:55.04 | ma3x | hi Guerin thanks! |
| 22:55.06 | dylan_ | are you, rather |
| 22:55.12 | Guerin | dylan_: yes. |
| 22:55.19 | dylan_ | so thats how to fix that, eh? |
| 22:55.25 | ma3x | Guerin: but that's of the partition, no? |
| 22:55.34 | ma3x | Guerin: im asking about the whole hard disk |
| 22:55.38 | Guerin | dylan_: well, if you're not in audio sound shouldn't work at all |
| 22:55.42 | findme | mine was choppy did this :- mplayer -ao help tried all of the options one by one and it works fine now. |
| 22:55.45 | Guerin | ma3x: you can add, can't you? |
| 22:55.46 | dylan_ | ok |
| 22:55.59 | dylan_ | can you see these videos? www.zefrank.com/theshow |
| 22:55.59 | ma3x | The containing partition (or device) is only 19545072 (4k) blocks. |
| 22:55.59 | ma3x | You requested a new size of 20971520 blocks. |
| 22:56.01 | dylan_ | its embedded .mov |
| 22:56.03 | dylan_ | but it may work |
| 22:56.49 | Guerin | This movie requires Apple QuickTime, which works great on Mac and Windows. |
| 22:56.50 | Guerin | If the movie does not play, please download and install QuickTime. |
| 22:56.52 | findme | choppy video / audio it is stuck |
| 22:56.53 | Guerin | no, thanks |
| 22:56.55 | ma3x | Guerin: I mean df shows the blocks of the partition, not of the hard drive |
| 22:57.10 | Guerin | ma3x: fdisk -l? |
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| 22:57.16 | dylan_ | Guerin, you dont really need QkTime .... mplayer should work, no? |
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| 22:57.20 | ma3x | Guerin: thanks again! |
| 22:57.33 | Guerin | dylan_: it'll probably play the video, but not in a browser |
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| 22:57.54 | dylan_ | hmmm |
| 22:57.55 | dylan_ | ok |
| 22:57.56 | dylan_ | thx |
| 22:58.37 | ma3x | Guerin: that shows again the bytes, sector, heads and the blocks of the partition. but not the blocks of the device |
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| 23:00.19 | Digamma | Can I update my APT-Get listings on my computer |
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| 23:01.17 | mick_linux | is there a channel for debian on arm? |
| 23:01.26 | mick_linux | i know there is #debianppc |
| 23:01.35 | Digamma | Can I update my APT-Get listings on my computer |
| 23:01.47 | mick_linux | apt-get update |
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| 23:01.52 | mick_linux | Digamma, ^^^ |
| 23:02.02 | h3sp4wn | mick_linux: embedded arm or risc pc etc ? |
| 23:02.04 | mick_linux | that what you mean? |
| 23:02.11 | Digamma | uk |
| 23:02.12 | mick_linux | embedded |
| 23:02.15 | Digamma | I'll try |
| 23:02.24 | Guerin | ma3x: blocks are a filesystem measure. Add the number of blocks on your paritions to get the number of blocks |
| 23:02.51 | Guerin | ma3x: if you're working in raw disk tems, the units you want to use are 'cylinders' |
| 23:03.01 | Digamma | It goes to oldstable |
| 23:03.05 | mick_linux | h3sp4wn, i was just curious since i've given up cross compiling - and i think i'll just build on a VM |
| 23:03.09 | h3sp4wn | mick_linux: http://www.emdebian.org (there is no irc channel only mailing list) |
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| 23:03.12 | Guerin | Digamma: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 23:03.20 | mick_linux | it is for an embedded device |
| 23:03.22 | mick_linux | ah ok |
| 23:03.30 | mick_linux | h3sp4wn, thanks |
| 23:03.41 | Moorenkopf | how do I add only nvidia from sid to my etch-sources.list? |
| 23:03.49 | h3sp4wn | mick_linux: Or you can use uclibc or openwrt's buildroots (makes cross compiling alot easier) |
| 23:03.55 | Guerin | Moorenkopf: man sources.list; man apt_preferences |
| 23:04.24 | h3sp4wn | mick_linux: (but then you don't have debian just apps you can run) dpkg-cross is horribly complicated from what I have seen of it |
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| 23:05.24 | ma3x | Guerin: when I run resize2fs, it tells me The containing partition (or device) is only 19545072 (4k) blocks. how does it know that? from where does it get that information? |
| 23:07.46 | Guerin | ma3x: i don't know. I guess it's a calculation based on how many cylinders are available. |
| 23:07.49 | Moorenkopf | Guerin: couldn't find how to prevent apt from upgrading all packages to unstable. I just need the nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 23:08.02 | Guerin | Moorenkopf: man apt_preferences tells you |
| 23:08.16 | Guerin | Moorenkopf: /msg dpkg pinning for the short version |
| 23:08.23 | Digamma | do I type 'aptitude -i file' or 'apt-get -i file' |
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| 23:08.29 | Moorenkopf | Guerin: k, thanks again |
| 23:08.36 | Guerin | Digamma: neither |
| 23:08.43 | Guerin | !wayttd Digamma |
| 23:08.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Digamma? |
| 23:09.17 | Digamma | I am trying to install a new package called conky |
| 23:09.27 | Guerin | Digamma: apt-get install conky |
| 23:10.34 | Digamma | It said 'E: Couldn't find conky |
| 23:10.35 | Digamma | ' |
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| 23:11.10 | Kassah | does anyone know why everytime I go to look at a php file it tries to make me download it with filetype: application/x-httpd-php ? |
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| 23:11.20 | Kassah | I've a2enmod php4 |
| 23:11.44 | {cyborg} | Kassah: you need to either install or enable php bindings in apache |
| 23:12.00 | Gnurdux | Kassah, its not setup correctly with apache |
| 23:12.21 | Kassah | bindings... not the ones in /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.conf ? |
| 23:12.33 | Kassah | or /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.load ? |
| 23:12.47 | {cyborg} | Kassah: what about a dpkg-reconfigure apache2 ? |
| 23:13.05 | Kassah | done... restarting apache |
| 23:13.24 | Kassah | nope... |
| 23:13.26 | Kassah | same problem |
| 23:13.35 | Digamma | Guerin, how do I change my sources.list |
| 23:13.44 | Guerin | Digamma: with an editor |
| 23:13.49 | Digamma | Guerin, do you want a copy of my sources.list |
| 23:13.52 | Digamma | (I KNOW) |
| 23:13.53 | Guerin | Digamma: no. |
| 23:13.55 | Digamma | What do I do to it |
| 23:14.05 | Guerin | Digamma: are you paying attention? |
| 23:14.10 | {cyborg} | Kassah: have you installed libapache2-php or something like that ? |
| 23:14.18 | Digamma | I am |
| 23:14.25 | Guerin | dpkg, woody->sarge |
| 23:14.26 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 23:14.32 | Digamma | there are no mentions of woddy in my sources.list |
| 23:14.38 | Digamma | woody* |
| 23:14.44 | Guerin | Digamma: what does it say, then? |
| 23:15.02 | Digamma | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main non-free contrib |
| 23:15.02 | Digamma | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ testing/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 23:15.02 | Digamma | deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ testing/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 23:15.02 | Digamma | deb http://www.modularity.org/knoppix ./ |
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| 23:15.10 | Kassah | {cyborg}: E: Couldn't find package libapache2-php |
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| 23:15.22 | Kassah | when I tried to install it |
| 23:15.24 | Digamma | I mesaged that to you |
| 23:15.25 | Guerin | dpkg: you're running a mixed-up abortion of a system |
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| 23:15.29 | Digamma | Why am I kicked? |
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| 23:15.41 | Guerin | dpkg: don't message me, don't paste, just answer the questions |
| 23:15.53 | Guerin | Digamma: ^ |
| 23:15.55 | {cyborg} | Kassah: yes, but I didn't give you the *exact* name, I know there's something like that that need to be installed for php to work |
| 23:16.00 | Kassah | ahh |
| 23:16.01 | Kassah | k... |
| 23:16.04 | Kassah | searching |
| 23:16.06 | Digamma | I'm sorry; I am a newb I dont know how to answer other than pasting |
| 23:16.30 | Guerin | Digamma: delete the lines which say 'knoppix' and 'oldstable' |
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| 23:17.02 | Kassah | ahh... libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 23:17.16 | Digamma | ok |
| 23:17.18 | Digamma | Done |
| 23:17.22 | Kassah | already installed =( |
| 23:17.29 | Digamma | which lines do I uncomment? |
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| 23:19.29 | Guerin | Digamma: testing |
| 23:19.53 | Guerin | Digamma: when only lines including the word 'testing' are uncommented, run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:20.05 | Guerin | Digamma: now, did you install knoppix or debian? |
| 23:20.23 | Guerin | what I'm asking is: |
| 23:20.28 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.31 | Kassah | work damnit |
| 23:20.34 | streuner | Guerin: guess |
| 23:20.35 | Guerin | what did the cd from which you installed have written on it? |
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| 23:21.54 | streuner | Digamma: it wouldn't make much sense to just use some random sources lines on another distro... |
| 23:22.05 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 23:22.05 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 23:22.20 | Moorenkopf | Guerin: works fine :) |
| 23:22.25 | Digamma | I have KNoppix |
| 23:22.26 | streuner | ... Same goes for different distros |
| 23:22.28 | Guerin | Moorenkopf: winnar! |
| 23:22.33 | Guerin | !moron Digamma |
| 23:22.34 | dpkg | Digamma: You are moron #36 |
| 23:22.51 | Moron36 | :) |
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| 23:22.57 | Guerin | streuner: your cynicism is again justified |
| 23:23.26 | Digamma | Thank you |
| 23:23.27 | streuner | Guerin: that's the only way sometimes people open there eyes |
| 23:23.56 | Digamma | Oh ta; i require that to understand |
| 23:25.07 | Digamma | Fuck this; I am on a help file much more useful than you |
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| 23:25.23 | Guerin | !customer |
| 23:25.24 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 23:35.25 | Kassah | this is starting to feel like Gentoo |
| 23:36.00 | exobyte | what does that mean? |
| 23:36.13 | Kassah | getting php to work is taking serious research and fiddling |
| 23:36.24 | meowsqueak | just wondering - apache2.2 segfaults in Sid - has anyone else been through this recently? |
| 23:36.33 | streuner | Kassah: not in sarge... |
| 23:36.57 | Kassah | streuner: it's not working for me =( I just got rid off all of the dotdeb crap... |
| 23:37.07 | Kassah | streuner: all I see is this: http://www.kassah.net/ |
| 23:37.23 | streuner | meowsqueak: check out BTS |
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| 23:37.26 | craigevil | meowsqueak: unless its been fixed the last update broke apache2 in sid |
| 23:37.47 | AlfadorJanus | whenever you delete files using rm, how long is it before it is actually removed |
| 23:37.49 | Kassah | I really really like debian... except for this stuff |
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| 23:37.55 | Kassah | this is the only problem I've had |
| 23:37.59 | AlfadorJanus | as in...my hardrive is full and i just deleted some files |
| 23:38.09 | AlfadorJanus | but its still showing 100% usage. |
| 23:38.22 | streuner | Kassah: you'll get problems with any OS, so you have to learn every day new. |
| 23:38.30 | d0ug | hi.. in top, what does "wa" stand for? next to idle? |
| 23:39.08 | Kassah | streuner: well yeah... I expect some problems... but I gave up the first time when I switched to dotdeb... and I'm trying again... |
| 23:39.22 | Kassah | it's going on over a month total downtime trying to get this to work |
| 23:39.28 | streuner | dotdeb packages are horrible |
| 23:39.32 | Kassah | feeling like it would be easier to compile it =( which I hate to do... |
| 23:39.53 | streuner | there is backports.org |
| 23:43.16 | Kassah | hmm |
| 23:43.19 | meowsqueak | craigevil: thanks, I'll be patient then and wait for it to be fixed. Thanks for the info. |
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| 23:43.45 | Kassah | there's just something small but important I'm missing here |
| 23:43.49 | Kassah | it's driving me nuts |
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| 23:45.18 | streuner | dOug: man top will show you |
| 23:45.48 | streuner | wa -- iowait Amount of time the CPU has been waiting for I/O to complete. |
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| 23:52.09 | enyawix | ya |
| 23:52.18 | enyawix | i have 3d! |
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| 23:54.07 | Klavier | isnt there mplayer in apt sources? i cant find it : ^ ( |
| 23:54.20 | streuner | !mplayer |
| 23:54.20 | dpkg | somebody said mplayer was not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at ... |
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| 23:56.00 | Klavier | i want mplayer |
| 23:56.31 | Klavier | i cant live without it : ^ ( .. it s meaning of my life. |
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| 23:57.34 | Kassah | it's like the php module isn't even loaded |
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| 23:58.32 | tarzeau | !Popcon |
| 23:58.33 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:58.57 | streuner | tarzeau: ! |
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