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| 00:00.27 | Red_Cloud | I would like to be able to connect to this chat from console. How do I do this? |
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| 00:02.19 | streuner | Red_Cloud: apt-get install irssi-text, run 'irssi', type /connect irc.freenode.net - /j #debian |
| 00:03.34 | tarzeau | streuner: how are you? |
| 00:03.50 | streuner | tarzeau: tired |
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| 00:10.13 | bili | hey guys how do i go about makeing xwindows auto run Dillo on login |
| 00:10.24 | bili | i been googleing for about an hour allready |
| 00:10.33 | Kassah | bah |
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| 00:10.50 | Guerin | bili: man xsession |
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| 00:11.01 | bili | ok ty |
| 00:11.26 | hentai | does etch install with xorg or xfree86? or is there a choice? |
| 00:11.46 | streuner | xorg |
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| 00:12.38 | hentai | is there a way to install xserver-common without removing 99% of my installed programs? |
| 00:12.45 | h3sp4wn | bili: or man xinit (probably for what you want to do you have no need for anything other than xinit) |
| 00:12.49 | streuner | heh? |
| 00:12.56 | h3sp4wn | bili: Look at the .xinitrc example |
| 00:13.18 | hentai | i went into the package manager, checked xserver-common for installation, and it said it had to remove like everything on my machine to install it. |
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| 00:13.26 | bili | yea xsession X99 do i need to have it like exec $dillo |
| 00:14.04 | Guerin | bili: is that the only thing you want to run? |
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| 00:14.17 | bili | yup |
| 00:14.28 | bili | want it to auto launch dillo |
| 00:14.31 | bili | thats it |
| 00:14.46 | bili | heck i would like it to even auto log in |
| 00:14.56 | bili | and launch |
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| 00:15.11 | Guerin | i don't know how to do auto login |
| 00:15.40 | bili | that parts is gravy |
| 00:15.42 | Guerin | but once you figure that out, making dillo start is trivial; just put exec /usr/bin/dillo in a file called .xsession |
| 00:15.58 | bili | ahh |
| 00:16.42 | bili | one sec trying that :) |
| 00:16.48 | Kassah | gah... it's like the php module isn't loaded but it is |
| 00:16.58 | mariochan | I have flushbox in sarge but a lot of the applications don't work (don't start), what could it be? |
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| 00:20.49 | Smirnov | hi I add a new user to my machine, but he can still read other users home directories? |
| 00:20.53 | Smirnov | Is there a simple way of disabling that? |
| 00:21.14 | Smirnov | my homedir is ~smirnov, I add new user called "web" but when I login as web, he can still see all the files in ~smirnov :( |
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| 00:21.22 | hentai | chmod the user directories to only be read by the owners/groups |
| 00:21.58 | tarzeau | mariochan: flushbox, eh? |
| 00:22.09 | Smirnov | drwxr-xr-x 47 igor igor 4096 2006-10-14 19:00 igor |
| 00:22.21 | mariochan | yes |
| 00:22.24 | Smirnov | i see |
| 00:22.31 | Smirnov | if I do chmod a-r |
| 00:22.31 | Guerin | Smirnov: there is a way to do this - i think dpkg-reconfigure adduser is what you want |
| 00:22.42 | Smirnov | will new files i make still be accessible? |
| 00:22.42 | Guerin | you want it to be drwx------ |
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| 00:22.58 | Guerin | Smirnov: to group and owner only |
| 00:23.11 | Smirnov | err o-r |
| 00:23.14 | tarzeau | mariochan: as in dict? 2. To cause the blood to rush into (the face); to put to the blush, or to cause to glow with excitement. |
| 00:23.23 | Guerin | yeah, that's what I meant, too |
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| 00:23.29 | jetscreamer | gahddamn they let the sid idiocy go into etch and now it wants to uninstall * |
| 00:23.37 | jetscreamer | stupid.. once again. |
| 00:23.39 | Guerin | jetscreamer: awesome |
| 00:23.40 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: hehe :) |
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| 00:23.45 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: who, they? |
| 00:23.51 | jetscreamer | hey it's better than ms |
| 00:24.06 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: haven't you learned, it's been always like that, when testing nears freezing? |
| 00:24.11 | jetscreamer | kdelibs |
| 00:24.24 | jetscreamer | nah i was on sid when sarge went stable |
| 00:24.29 | tarzeau | etch sucks |
| 00:24.33 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 00:24.37 | tarzeau | it's incomplete |
| 00:24.44 | jetscreamer | but i went back to get away from this exact same bug |
| 00:24.50 | Gnurdux | tarzeau, hows it incomplete? |
| 00:24.52 | tarzeau | so was i, and i don't intend to use anything but sid |
| 00:24.54 | Gnurdux | and what same bug? |
| 00:25.06 | enyawix | etch is giving me issues also |
| 00:25.11 | jetscreamer | kdelibs seems to want to uninstall everything |
| 00:25.16 | tarzeau | enyawix: work on it. or at least try to |
| 00:25.18 | jetscreamer | i have it on hold |
| 00:25.24 | jetscreamer | since sid |
| 00:25.25 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:25.27 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: in many ways. it's missing a lot of software |
| 00:25.35 | jetscreamer | i just changed sources didn't reinstall |
| 00:25.43 | enyawix | tarzeau: i am working i just got 3d up |
| 00:26.02 | mariochan | okok fluxbox :) |
| 00:26.04 | tarzeau | enyawix: how are you working? on debian packages? bugs? |
| 00:26.07 | jetscreamer | Gnurdux: why do you think there's a 'why isn't X in etch?' factoid :) |
| 00:26.12 | tarzeau | mariochan: no no, flushbox is really cute |
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| 00:26.22 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 00:26.22 | hentai | could someone help me install nvidia drivers? every time i try to install nvidia-glx, it says it needs xserver-common, but that wants to install xfree86 and that wants to delete all my applications. i'm using xorg anyway, so wtf |
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| 00:26.24 | Gnurdux | that pisses me off |
| 00:26.31 | Gnurdux | but thats just normal debianess |
| 00:26.32 | jetscreamer | hey look hentai is on etch |
| 00:26.33 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:26.37 | enyawix | i am trying to make a nvida .deb |
| 00:26.37 | hentai | idd :( |
| 00:26.38 | tarzeau | mariochan: i think we should also rename cut and paste into cute and pet |
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| 00:26.44 | Gnurdux | debian is super-conservative |
| 00:26.45 | enyawix | will take time i suck |
| 00:26.52 | Gnurdux | sid is older than gentoo STABLE |
| 00:26.53 | jetscreamer | hentai: whatever you do do not go to kanotix.com/files and use the nvidiainstaller script |
| 00:27.08 | mariochan | haha, and rename man and kill too :) |
| 00:27.14 | jetscreamer | http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh iirc |
| 00:27.17 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: more likely it's just too political, slow and closed minded |
| 00:27.18 | hentai | ...*click* |
| 00:27.18 | jetscreamer | no do NOT do that |
| 00:27.28 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 00:27.34 | Gnurdux | tarzeau, that too |
| 00:27.48 | craigevil | !nvidia |
| 00:27.48 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 00:27.49 | jetscreamer | it's the .run binary.. but it may do what debian does and cleans it up somehow.. not sure |
| 00:28.04 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: even some freebsd ports are newer |
| 00:28.12 | enyawix | hentai: install the kernel sourch than gcc than use the nvida script |
| 00:28.14 | Gnurdux | tarzeau, then sid? |
| 00:28.22 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: sid doesn't even have that software |
| 00:28.28 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: and yes , even than sid |
| 00:28.28 | hentai | thank you guys :) |
| 00:28.34 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 00:28.40 | Gnurdux | its the disadvantage of debian |
| 00:28.48 | Gnurdux | i'd use arch if it were more complete |
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| 00:28.59 | jonnieboy | hello |
| 00:29.04 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: it used to be not like that |
| 00:29.35 | jetscreamer | still non-free |
| 00:29.46 | jonnieboy | i've been having some troubles with the flash player package "flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 00:29.53 | Guerin | i just follow a minimal force doctine and sid treats me well |
| 00:29.57 | tarzeau | jonnieboy: so what? |
| 00:29.58 | jetscreamer | hentai: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` rather |
| 00:30.04 | tarzeau | jonnieboy: it's not debian. don't bother #debian |
| 00:30.07 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 00:30.08 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 00:30.13 | tarzeau | jonnieboy: go ask adobe.com |
| 00:30.17 | Gnurdux | tarzeau, really/ |
| 00:30.21 | Guerin | use software with as few dependencies as is reasonable, only update them when I need functionality or security |
| 00:30.21 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: it's in debian sources |
| 00:30.25 | Gnurdux | havent they always had the 10 days rule? |
| 00:30.26 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: no IT IS NOT |
| 00:30.28 | Guerin | and only update what's required |
| 00:30.33 | hentai | got it, jetscreamer |
| 00:30.46 | jetscreamer | i've seen one... not sure |
| 00:30.55 | jonnieboy | exit |
| 00:30.57 | jonnieboy | piss |
| 00:31.00 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: hahaha, it never was a rule |
| 00:31.09 | Gnurdux | tarzeau, hmm? |
| 00:31.10 | Gnurdux | it is now |
| 00:31.13 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: and the 10 days for sid to testing is one thing |
| 00:31.21 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: another is the debian new queue |
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| 00:31.33 | Gnurdux | you mean getting into sid in the first place.. |
| 00:31.35 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: software can hang in there for days, weeks, heck even months |
| 00:31.37 | craigevil | sid weekly d-u is fine as long as your watch what apt-listbugs outputs |
| 00:31.41 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: yes exactly that |
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| 00:31.50 | Gnurdux | like when gnome 2.10 was experimental for like a month? |
| 00:31.57 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: i don't care shit about gnome, really |
| 00:32.09 | Gnurdux | still |
| 00:32.10 | jetscreamer | i like some gnome apps though |
| 00:32.15 | Gnurdux | that was a little nuts |
| 00:32.20 | jetscreamer | and some kde ones |
| 00:32.26 | Gnurdux | ubuntu had it the next day |
| 00:32.37 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: ubuntu has nothing else but gnome |
| 00:32.43 | jetscreamer | kubuntu |
| 00:32.43 | Guerin | and it was horribly broken for like a month |
| 00:32.45 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: so it's no wonder, somehow |
| 00:32.45 | Gnurdux | ubuntu sucks |
| 00:32.56 | tarzeau | i wonder to whom jetscreamer is talking to |
| 00:32.56 | Gnurdux | Guerin, ubuntu or gnome? |
| 00:33.01 | Guerin | Gnurdux: heh. |
| 00:33.07 | jetscreamer | quote: 'somebody help me fix my ubuntu!' |
| 00:33.11 | Gnurdux | or debian gnome packages/ |
| 00:33.23 | jetscreamer | i hear a whiny voice when i read that |
| 00:33.36 | Gnurdux | i hear a person n00bier than me |
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| 00:33.41 | Guerin | jetscreamer: at least they don't say U FUX0RZ!!!! |
| 00:33.48 | craigevil | Ubuntu- an ancient African word for "can't configure Debian" |
| 00:33.52 | Gnurdux | n00bier than i was 4 months after getting linux |
| 00:33.54 | Gnurdux | LOL |
| 00:33.55 | tarzeau | craigevil: can you stop please? |
| 00:33.59 | tarzeau | craigevil: this is DEBIAN here |
| 00:34.01 | Gnurdux | thats pretty good |
| 00:34.17 | tarzeau | this place here is english |
| 00:34.30 | craigevil | stop what? |
| 00:34.36 | tarzeau | craigevil: stop being off-topic |
| 00:34.38 | Gnurdux | hes making a joke |
| 00:34.46 | tarzeau | i don't care, it's an off-topic joke |
| 00:34.47 | Gnurdux | tarzeau, he said ONE PHRASE |
| 00:34.49 | craigevil | ^ :) |
| 00:35.00 | tarzeau | i've seen ubuntu shit yesterday at my local lug, and how badly it failed |
| 00:35.05 | epsilon | btw, does the word 'debian' have any meaning? |
| 00:35.12 | tarzeau | so i really don't want to see it anymore on my weekend when i'm in #debian |
| 00:35.18 | tarzeau | epsilon: of course it does |
| 00:35.19 | Gnurdux | epsilon, DEBorah IAN |
| 00:35.21 | tarzeau | !debian |
| 00:35.21 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 00:35.39 | Gnurdux | the guy who made debian was named ian and his wife was name deborah |
| 00:35.49 | Gnurdux | or something |
| 00:36.20 | Guerin | !debain |
| 00:36.21 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 00:36.32 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 00:36.47 | Gnurdux | ~dbeian |
| 00:36.56 | Gnurdux | !dbeian |
| 00:36.56 | Gnurdux | aww |
| 00:37.00 | Gnurdux | !lart me |
| 00:37.03 | Gnurdux | ow |
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| 00:37.30 | Gnurdux | tarzeau, doesnt the topic even SAY "This is not #ubuntu ?" |
| 00:37.39 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: yes it does |
| 00:37.45 | Gnurdux | cant those people read? |
| 00:37.47 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: and it means you can talk about it in #ubuntu |
| 00:37.48 | jetscreamer | what is linux? i keep hearing about it |
| 00:37.52 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: no they can't |
| 00:37.54 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 00:38.03 | Gnurdux | jetscreamer, lol |
| 00:38.41 | jetscreamer | too much fighting between distros... reminds me of something... at least the users, maybe not the devs.. |
| 00:38.50 | hentai | bbl |
| 00:38.51 | Gnurdux | distrowars are fun |
| 00:38.58 | Gnurdux | as long as they are in good humor |
| 00:39.06 | Guerin | jetscreamer: it's like rugby union vs rugby league |
| 00:39.11 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: which users? |
| 00:39.27 | Gnurdux | each distro has its pros and cons; its up to each person to choose |
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| 00:40.45 | craigevil | anyone know if IceWeasel is going to make it in the repos anytime soon? |
| 00:40.55 | tarzeau | craigevil: i don't know |
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| 00:41.55 | jetscreamer | jsut in general tarzeau |
| 00:42.02 | jetscreamer | as a group |
| 00:42.06 | tarzeau | craigevil: icedove was in new queue today |
| 00:42.13 | tarzeau | and it was accepted pretty much the same day |
| 00:42.18 | teledyn_ | hey Guerin. i found the cause of the crashes yesterday |
| 00:42.26 | craigevil | icedove? is that the gnu thunderbird? |
| 00:42.32 | teledyn_ | it was the madwifi driver. |
| 00:42.43 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: this is your personal feeling |
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| 00:42.50 | michael117 | I'm trying to organize my music into a file tree structure of /Music/Artist/Album and have decided to use mp3info to read the correct tags from the scattered files I have in folders in one big unorganized folder and have currently come up with this: for i in `find /disk2/Music -iname *.mp3 -print 2>/dev/null`; do mv $i "/disk2/Music/Organized/`mp3info $i -p '%a/%l'`"; done Although, I keep getting errors |
| 00:42.58 | jetscreamer | yes.. but more like an observation |
| 00:43.06 | tarzeau | craigevil: seems so |
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| 00:43.22 | jetscreamer | but not based on a broad enough spectrum to be difinitive |
| 00:43.31 | jetscreamer | err definitive |
| 00:43.46 | craigevil | cool, i downloaded iceweasel from gnu.org really no diff than firefox |
| 00:43.55 | Guerin | strange but true |
| 00:43.59 | craigevil | other than whatever the non-free crap they took out |
| 00:45.14 | Guerin | michael117: #bash is probably where you want to ask |
| 00:45.31 | michael117 | Guerin: Ahh... yes, sorry |
| 00:46.39 | teledyn_ | michael117: try putting backticks around the mp3info command |
| 00:46.46 | CrippsFX | I'm running etch, kernel version 2.6.17-2-486. I have a broadcom 4318 wireless card, so I can't use native broadcom because of issues with the firmware. I've tried installing ndiswrapper so that I can use my wireless, but when I do "ndiswrapper -l" I get the output "bcmwl driver present" ... which means it doesn't see my hardware. When I have bcm43xx loaded, and I do "iwlist eth1 scanning" I get the output: "Interface doesn't support scanning : No suc |
| 00:46.47 | CrippsFX | h device" ... does anyone have any experience with these problems? |
| 00:46.51 | jetscreamer | that or perl |
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| 00:47.56 | michael117 | teledyn: are these backticks= ` |
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| 00:48.09 | jetscreamer | in china maybe |
| 00:48.18 | teledyn_ | michael117: yeah. actually i see them in your listing |
| 00:48.22 | jetscreamer | but i digress and have no idea |
| 00:49.03 | teledyn_ | michael117: also, use #!/bin/bash -x for debug mode to see exactly what the script is doing |
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| 00:50.36 | teledyn_ | michael117: my guess is that you might not want the stuff in the backticks. that kind of interpolation can cause issues. maybe run the mp3info command on its own line and read the params into separate variables, then apply them in the mv line at the end |
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| 00:57.40 | michael117 | Arg... I'm also running into this issue with a package named "bug-buddy": http://pastebin.com/802297 |
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| 01:07.30 | michael117 | holy shit holy shit |
| 01:07.46 | michael117 | How can I get files back once I delete them? |
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| 01:08.00 | Coweater | what filesystem? |
| 01:08.07 | michael117 | ext3 |
| 01:08.26 | michael117 | Is the actual filesystem, but I'm accessing the computer over nfs |
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| 01:11.59 | Extrarius | I repeatedly get the message "i8253 count too high! resetting.." while running debian on a vm. Is there an easy way to make the message not constantly interrupt me and instead silently go to a log or the like? |
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| 01:16.26 | Guerin | Extrarius: don't use a vm -> problem solved |
| 01:17.53 | Extrarius | Guerin: Is there any easier way to use Windows and target debian? I looked into cross compiling but getting all the right versions of the right libraries would be a pain |
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| 01:20.40 | Extrarius | Also, from the threads I found on the internet, using a native machine might not fix the problem. |
| 01:20.45 | michael117 | If I delete a file in a folder that is mounted to an NFS share partition on remote computer, it is still deleted as normal? |
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| 01:23.25 | sjr | I have install network-manager-kde but I don't seem to be able to find it |
| 01:23.28 | sjr | Any ideas? |
| 01:24.02 | sjr | nm-tool seems to work but I'm not sure how to start the kde applet |
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| 01:25.19 | philips | mine is 971 506 3860 |
| 01:25.23 | philips | oops |
| 01:25.24 | philips | heh |
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| 01:25.55 | michael117 | How can I recover files deleted on an EXT3 partition? |
| 01:26.38 | Red_Cloud | I have a package which is neither installed nor removed. it is ttf-opensymbol. I would like to remove this package so that my upgrade can complete and I can be allowed to log into my desktop. Could anyone help? |
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| 01:28.20 | zinx | michael117: Generally, you can't. Sorry. |
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| 01:29.00 | sephknows | hello. im about to install debian here |
| 01:29.11 | michael117 | zinx: What at all can be done to salvage it then? The data hasn't been written over, just deleted |
| 01:29.20 | sephknows | but i need to copy all my files from hdd2 to hdd1 so i got about an hour to kill ;) |
| 01:29.34 | sephknows | meh 40 mins now, when 5 mins ago it was at 140 mins left |
| 01:29.35 | zinx | michael117: you can stop using the disk and search for the raw data and rebuild the file block-by-block |
| 01:29.46 | sephknows | btw does debian start with kde? |
| 01:29.51 | sephknows | or does it let you choose at install? |
| 01:29.56 | michael117 | zinx: and would to be written over a couple times to be actually gone |
| 01:30.16 | zinx | michael117: no, it only has to be written over once to be gone |
| 01:30.18 | michael117 | zinx: I had accidentally deleted my entire music collection... |
| 01:30.30 | zinx | michael117: you're probably screwed |
| 01:30.46 | pngwn | sephknows, debian.org/doc |
| 01:30.56 | michael117 | zinx: what about at the physical state? DoD wipe is 7x to wipe it clean |
| 01:30.56 | zinx | michael117: it's not easy to undelete ext3, heck it's not terribly easy with ext2 but it's a lot easier than with ext3 |
| 01:31.17 | zinx | michael117: *VERY EXPENSIVE* hardware is required to read the drive after it's been written over just once |
| 01:31.35 | zinx | michael117: enemy governments or such may have such equipment, but you do not. |
| 01:31.50 | michael117 | zinx: if you were to have done what I just did, what would you do? |
| 01:32.03 | zinx | michael117: i'd re-rip all my music and curse a lot. |
| 01:32.13 | michael117 | zinx: it wasn't ripped... |
| 01:32.32 | zinx | michael117: hope you made backups, then. |
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| 01:32.48 | michael117 | zinx: somewhat on my mp3 player |
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| 01:33.06 | michael117 | zinx: I has just spent a few weeks retagging everything correctly |
| 01:33.47 | zinx | michael117: as far as i know, undeleting from ext3 is quite difficult |
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| 01:34.18 | zinx | michael117: as in it's easier to reaquire and/or retag the music. |
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| 01:35.07 | Guerin | michael117: try testdisk |
| 01:35.16 | zinx | michael117: you should use some file management software instead that sends stuff to ~/.Trash or so if you have a habit of deleting files :/ |
| 01:35.39 | Guerin | michael117: that's a packahe; it has a program called photorec which can read and collate file fragments from the disk |
| 01:35.58 | Guerin | michael117: but honestly, it's going to be a major pain in the arse if you have more than a few hundred files |
| 01:36.33 | michael117 | zinx: well, I actually was trying to use a bash command to move the files into organized folders of /Artist/Album but the files themselves were just moved into another folder and not put like I wanted and I am used to things just copying everywhere and forgot I had mv in there |
| 01:36.58 | michael117 | zinx: and I'm really low on disk space on this drive so I delete things instantly to save space |
| 01:37.18 | Guerin | michael117: when you're not *sure* a loop like that is going to work, put 'echo' in front of the command you want it to run |
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| 01:37.24 | karlfr | Anyone know the GR results? Apparently they're out, but not yet posted on debian.org. |
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| 01:37.44 | Guerin | karlfr: if not there, then where? |
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| 01:38.16 | karlfr | Guerin, dunno, but I see people complaining on Planet, so someone must know. |
| 01:38.31 | michael117 | Guerin: Actually, I can't install any packages now: http://pastebin.com/806755 |
| 01:38.56 | michael117 | Guerin: bug-buddy feels it's more important than anything else |
| 01:38.59 | clearance | Hey, I disabled write caching using hdparm then renabled it by I'm still steadily losing memory to the disk cache, even after a reboot. Any ideas? |
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| 01:39.09 | Guerin | clearance: /msg dpkg free ram |
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| 01:39.38 | Guerin | pastebin is shit |
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| 01:41.29 | clearance | Guerin: buffers is increasing steadily |
| 01:41.37 | Guerin | karlfr: is this what you're on about? http://master.debian.org/~srivasta/gr_affirm/ |
| 01:41.43 | Guerin | clearance: as it should. |
| 01:41.55 | clearance | Guerin: until all my memory is taken up? |
| 01:42.10 | Guerin | clearance: yes. |
| 01:42.19 | karlfr | Guerin, thanks! |
| 01:42.22 | clearance | I have 1024 megs of ram |
| 01:42.28 | Guerin | clearance: what's the middle line output of 'free' |
| 01:42.36 | clearance | How do I NOT have it take up all my ram :( |
| 01:42.42 | Guerin | clearance: the AMOUNT of ram you have makes NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL |
| 01:43.01 | Guerin | clearance: a better question is: why would you want to? |
| 01:43.03 | clearance | -/+ buffers/cache: 399316 625784 |
| 01:43.15 | clearance | Want to what? |
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| 01:43.30 | Guerin | clearance: you have 625MB free ram |
| 01:43.36 | clearance | Have it stop consuming memory until I don't have enough not to swap |
| 01:43.40 | clearance | I just rebooted |
| 01:43.43 | clearance | That's why |
| 01:43.46 | bili | does anyone know how to make it so that xwindows starts it auto logs in as a user |
| 01:43.55 | Guerin | !free ram |
| 01:43.56 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 01:44.08 | Guerin | clearance: did you read that? |
| 01:44.13 | clearance | twice |
| 01:44.28 | clearance | that doesn't help me with my disk caching problem |
| 01:44.30 | Guerin | clearance: you WANT your ram to cache disk and buffer programs |
| 01:44.49 | clearance | I know |
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| 01:44.56 | clearance | It ate all my ram though |
| 01:45.06 | clearance | after I messed with hdparm |
| 01:45.14 | clearance | I set it back but no luck |
| 01:45.21 | Guerin | clearance: you mean it won't release the ram from disk cache? |
| 01:45.28 | clearance | Yes |
| 01:45.29 | Guerin | err, the disk cache from ram |
| 01:45.36 | yassine | what does this mean plase : *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x08595a38 *** |
| 01:45.56 | Guerin | yassine: it means "if the program keeps working, don't worry about me" |
| 01:46.12 | Guerin | clearance: for instance, what's your middle line of free now? |
| 01:46.44 | yassine | i just did this : grep -Rni "style" ./ |
| 01:46.51 | clearance | -/+ buffers/cache: 41104 623996 |
| 01:47.07 | clearance | -/+ buffers/cache: 401104 623996 |
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| 01:47.46 | Guerin | clearance: how long does it take for that last number to hit zeor? |
| 01:47.46 | clearance | because I don't have any apps using disk |
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| 01:48.01 | clearance | let me start an ftp client |
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| 01:48.49 | clearance | also do you know of a graphical ftp client better than gftp and kasablanca |
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| 01:49.10 | clearance | kasablanca just hangs at 99% now and eats cache |
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| 01:49.16 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:49.18 | clearance | so a queue is worthless |
| 01:49.20 | Guerin | use lftp |
| 01:50.07 | clearance | installing |
| 01:50.16 | Guerin | no gui |
| 01:50.20 | Guerin | as the gods intended |
| 01:50.28 | clearance | thats oki, i trust you |
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| 01:50.43 | clearance | buffers are at 315M |
| 01:50.50 | clearance | buffers are at 319M now |
| 01:51.07 | bili | anyone knoe how to make debian auto loging with xwindows ? |
| 01:51.12 | bili | auto log in |
| 01:51.23 | Guerin | the only number I care about is the last number on that middle line of free output |
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| 01:51.58 | Guerin | bili: something like kdm or gdm might let you set up an autologin |
| 01:52.32 | bili | so install gdm ? |
| 01:52.37 | bili | i searched for gdm.conf |
| 01:52.41 | bili | not there |
| 01:52.57 | Guerin | bili: for help with gdm, ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:53.50 | bili | ahhh ok |
| 01:53.51 | bili | ty |
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| 02:00.23 | enyawix | how old is etch |
| 02:00.31 | michael117 | Whenever I try to install a package, apt always wants to install "bug-buddy" as well, but it always comes back with an error, thus preventing me from installingg any new packages |
| 02:00.40 | PumpkinPie | etch has no age |
| 02:00.50 | PumpkinPie | it has a manufacture date |
| 02:01.03 | PumpkinPie | Im guessing in the early 90's |
| 02:01.20 | michael117 | How could I stop apt from attempting to install bug-buddy as well? |
| 02:02.18 | enyawix | lol |
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| 02:02.31 | enyawix | when was etch releced |
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| 02:03.08 | maher | i'm too stupid to watch dvd's - it says i need libdvdcss - but i already have it... |
| 02:03.29 | chops | michael117: Try 'apt-get remove bug-buddy'? |
| 02:03.52 | michael117 | chops: It gives me the same error |
| 02:04.07 | michael117 | chops: even when I put -f in front to try to force it |
| 02:04.32 | chops | Is it good ettiquette to close my own bugs if they seem to be solved? Or should I just send a message to the bug noting that it seems to be solved, and let the maintainer close it? |
| 02:05.31 | chops | What's the problem with bug-buddy? |
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| 02:05.52 | enyawix | brb |
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| 02:10.29 | jfletcher | even after running the cmd dpkg gives for public key, I'm still getting key errors for backports and multimedia |
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| 02:10.37 | jfletcher | multimedia both sarge and etch |
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| 02:13.48 | chops | jfletcher: Those packages aren't signed; they aren't official Debian packages. |
| 02:13.53 | clearance | ok maybe it was fixex Guerin |
| 02:13.57 | clearance | How can I be sure? |
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| 02:14.27 | jfletcher | chops: so, the fact it says "W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Releas" doesnt matter? |
| 02:14.31 | craigevil | multimedia has its own gpg key |
| 02:14.48 | craigevil | jfletcher> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 02:14.53 | chops | craigevil: Oh, does it? I didn't know that. |
| 02:14.53 | jfletcher | craigevil: thanks. |
| 02:15.00 | chops | jfletcher: Listen to that guy, not to me :-) |
| 02:15.10 | jfletcher | hehe :D |
| 02:15.17 | jfletcher | do you know if backports does too? |
| 02:15.29 | craigevil | backports probably does as well, idk about it sicne I use Sid |
| 02:15.53 | JKnife | where can i find a guide to install the beta nvidia drivers? |
| 02:16.18 | JKnife | ohh n/v i need nvidia-graphics-drivers |
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| 02:17.04 | clearance | lol |
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| 02:18.01 | jfletcher | how is sid craigevil? |
| 02:18.10 | jfletcher | last I heard it was fairly breakable. |
| 02:18.15 | craigevil | it can be |
| 02:18.22 | chops | jfletcher: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/02/msg01027.html for gpg backports key. That's just from googling "backports gpg key" |
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| 02:18.42 | balodja | hid3, does knoppix support nvidia via nvidia-drivers for x? |
| 02:18.45 | jfletcher | chops: yeah, i got that just now =] thanks alot anyway though. |
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| 02:19.10 | balodja | or special installation is needed? |
| 02:19.28 | jetscreamer | isn't that special |
| 02:19.43 | jfletcher | indeed not. |
| 02:19.48 | jetscreamer | ok if i say dana carvey who knows what character |
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| 02:20.10 | jetscreamer | ok bigger clue |
| 02:20.14 | jetscreamer | SATAN? |
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| 02:20.26 | jfletcher | wasnt she in waynes world |
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| 02:20.35 | jfletcher | she* |
| 02:20.46 | AlleyKat | satan is gay |
| 02:20.48 | jfletcher | he* |
| 02:21.09 | AlleyKat | I saw that meself on South Park |
| 02:21.21 | balodja | :) |
| 02:22.06 | balodja | bigger, longer and uncut? |
| 02:22.10 | jetscreamer | church lady |
| 02:22.20 | balodja | fantastic cartoon :) |
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| 02:22.25 | jetscreamer | sheesh |
| 02:22.56 | jfletcher | that American Dad thing is the best. |
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| 02:25.37 | dansushi | anyone here know of a good japanese input method for debian. (where you can type in the english characters, and it will input as katakana?) |
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| 02:28.37 | michael117 | zinx: Are you still here? |
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| 02:34.34 | jetscreamer | i'm sitting on him |
| 02:34.40 | jetscreamer | he's tied up |
| 02:36.28 | JKnife | ok... i can not get the beta driver to install... (i really dont wanna use the installer as i want a nice clean package tree) |
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| 02:38.05 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` && sh NVIDIA-blah.run 'ujut works'(tm) for me |
| 02:38.12 | jetscreamer | if that's the beta you mean |
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| 02:38.19 | jetscreamer | err.. just works |
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| 02:38.43 | JKnife | ok.. i would rather have a .deb tho |
| 02:39.46 | Extrarius | Is there a way to redirect the error message "i8253 count too high! resetting.." to a log file (or anywhere but the screen)? |
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| 02:40.33 | dondelelcaro | Extrarius: it'll be logged; if you don't want to see it, change your printk settings in proc. |
| 02:40.49 | dondelelcaro | !tell Extrarius -about printk |
| 02:42.14 | maher | bah - why can't xine play my dvds? i have libdvdcss2installed... |
| 02:42.26 | jetscreamer | what is an i8253 anyway |
| 02:42.35 | jetscreamer | maher: ls /dev/dvd |
| 02:42.40 | jetscreamer | maher: xine-check |
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| 02:43.39 | maher | uuuuurggggghhh! |
| 02:43.47 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 02:44.43 | maher | jetscreamer: somehow i had some extra ancient xine binary in my path |
| 02:45.00 | Mark_K | How to find a name of the hdd-pleer (usb-harddisk) |
| 02:45.02 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 02:45.30 | JKnife | Mark_K, it is prob a scsi interface.. try runing dmesg |
| 02:45.34 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/devices ? |
| 02:46.04 | JKnife | or `tail -f /var/log/messages` and unplug it and replug it back in |
| 02:46.22 | maher | jetscreamer: oh - no i didn't /usr/X11R6/bin is a symlink to /usr/bin... |
| 02:46.52 | Mark_K | ok i'lltry |
| 02:46.57 | jetscreamer | did you run xine-check ? |
| 02:47.38 | maher | jetscreamer: i do have an extra binary |
| 02:48.13 | jetscreamer | i can just tell you to rip it out |
| 02:48.15 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 02:51.09 | maher | jetscreamer: no i don't - /usr/bin/xine, /usr/X11R6/bin/xine and /usr/bin/X11/xine are all the same file |
| 02:51.26 | dbi | question on apt..how do i aptget something to get the source...to edit it then build it myself |
| 02:51.34 | jetscreamer | yeah but did you run xine-check |
| 02:51.51 | dbi | anyone know? |
| 02:52.00 | enouf | !source |
| 02:52.00 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 02:52.01 | jetscreamer | dbi: apt-build maybe... not sure. or just get some source |
| 02:52.08 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:52.10 | maher | jetscreamer: yes - so it complains i have multiple binaries- but they are all the same - now it says i don't have xine-config... |
| 02:52.36 | jetscreamer | i wouldn't worry about the multiple portion |
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| 02:52.48 | jetscreamer | mine works, so it must be something else |
| 02:53.04 | enouf | dbi: make sure you have a 'deb-src' entry in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:53.11 | jetscreamer | do you have a /dev/dvd ? |
| 02:53.16 | jetscreamer | symlink to hd? |
| 02:53.25 | jetscreamer | aka the dvd drive |
| 02:53.37 | dbi | thank you |
| 02:53.47 | maher | jetscreamer: when it says xine-lib does it mean libxine1? |
| 02:53.48 | enouf | dbi: most source pkgs have a "-dev" appended to them |
| 02:53.51 | jetscreamer | and if the actual hd? is set to root:disk that can hurt |
| 02:54.04 | jetscreamer | but that's an old bug |
| 02:54.18 | jetscreamer | not sure maher, lemme see if i can figure it out |
| 02:54.31 | maher | jetscreamer: it can play the first bit of the dvd - so i think its finding the dvd :) |
| 02:54.37 | dbi | thanks |
| 02:54.50 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:55.42 | jetscreamer | it used to want libxine-dev ... but that was a while ago. xine-check i mean. not sure about now, it's a bit diff, but i dunno how much |
| 02:55.56 | jetscreamer | iirc xine-check was in -dev |
| 02:56.02 | jetscreamer | but i forget |
| 02:56.13 | maher | jetscreamer: yup - i'm installing libexine-dev now... |
| 02:56.51 | maher | jetscreamer: ok - xine-check doesn't complain |
| 02:56.51 | jetscreamer | uh. is this xine-ui or totem-xine |
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| 02:57.12 | tachyonlnx | can I install swap on a lvm parition? |
| 02:57.25 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 02:57.34 | karsten | tachyonlnx: Sure |
| 02:57.37 | jetscreamer | if you did it wouldn't be lvm would it |
| 02:57.44 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 02:57.49 | jetscreamer | i know nothing about lvm |
| 02:58.10 | tachyonlnx | can I install winpiSSofShit XcraP on an lvm partition with ntf$$ filesystem? |
| 02:58.16 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 02:58.18 | jetscreamer | always |
| 02:58.22 | jetscreamer | no problem |
| 02:58.23 | karsten | tachyonlnx: No. |
| 02:58.24 | tachyonlnx | really? |
| 02:58.26 | karsten | tachyonlnx: Well.' |
| 02:58.28 | jetscreamer | linux runs .exe native too |
| 02:58.28 | tachyonlnx | ha |
| 02:58.31 | karsten | tachyonlnx: You could install it. |
| 02:58.54 | jetscreamer | tachyonlnx: you might want to create a swapFILE |
| 02:58.57 | sjr | Is there a FOSS Chess program that is like Chessmaster? |
| 02:59.01 | zinx | jetscreamer: binfmt_misc and an interpreter doesn't count as native |
| 02:59.08 | jetscreamer | !info brutalchess |
| 02:59.09 | JKnife | sjr xchess |
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| 02:59.12 | jetscreamer | it's alpha though |
| 02:59.14 | dpkg | brutalchess: (3d chess with reflection of the chessmen), section games, is optional. Version: 0.0.20060314cvs-2 (sid), Packaged size: 565 kB, Installed size: 2744 kB |
| 02:59.18 | JKnife | glchess |
| 02:59.19 | jetscreamer | i like eboard |
| 02:59.23 | tachyonlnx | the problem with m$$ is that I have to asign a fixed place on my hdd |
| 02:59.25 | jetscreamer | glchess isn't in sources |
| 02:59.29 | karsten | tachyonlnx: However XP itself won't run natively. Could probably get it running via VMWare, qemu, or similar. |
| 02:59.36 | JKnife | really? |
| 02:59.38 | maher | jetscreamer: i do get the following message: No accelerated IMDCT transform found |
| 02:59.40 | tachyonlnx | jetscreamer is swapFILE better than swap partition? |
| 02:59.54 | jetscreamer | tachyonlnx: no. but if you're out of partitions... |
| 02:59.59 | jetscreamer | i can't tell the diff |
| 03:00.00 | nosoapdotorg | question....editing my aptsource list to add unofficial....anyone know of a site that hosts it.... |
| 03:00.06 | nosoapdotorg | to add to my source list |
| 03:00.10 | tachyonlnx | jetscreamer ha ok I am not out of partiton |
| 03:00.11 | jetscreamer | maher: i've seen that but i can't remember |
| 03:00.12 | karsten | tachyonlnx: swap partition is likely better in performance. A file might be created with fragments. |
| 03:00.27 | nosoapdotorg | all i have now is mirror.kernel.org for the standard sarge packs |
| 03:00.28 | jetscreamer | if you dd the file it might be fragmented? |
| 03:00.36 | karsten | tachyonlnx: ... technically, use of a swapfile means dealing with the overhead of a filesystem and a file, as well as the swap bits itself. |
| 03:00.49 | karsten | tachyonlnx: swap partition == direct partition access, no fragmentation. |
| 03:01.15 | nosoapdotorg | anyone... |
| 03:01.20 | jetscreamer | unofficial what |
| 03:01.27 | jetscreamer | non-free ? |
| 03:01.31 | nosoapdotorg | unofficial packages |
| 03:01.38 | nosoapdotorg | not necissarily |
| 03:01.39 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 03:01.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 03:01.54 | jetscreamer | mostly a/v stuff |
| 03:02.03 | jetscreamer | there's some others |
| 03:02.13 | Bry2k200 | !repositories |
| 03:02.18 | Bry2k200 | hey jetscreamer |
| 03:02.20 | jetscreamer | !sources |
| 03:02.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 03:02.24 | jetscreamer | howdy |
| 03:02.24 | Bry2k200 | tnx\ |
| 03:02.32 | enouf | !repo |
| 03:02.32 | nosoapdotorg | thanks |
| 03:02.43 | enouf | bah |
| 03:02.49 | Bry2k200 | crap |
| 03:03.03 | nosoapdotorg | just looking for more programs than the one mirror i have |
| 03:03.03 | Bry2k200 | what do i use to get the webby for repositories? |
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| 03:03.20 | maher | jetscreamer: what version of debian are youusing? |
| 03:03.21 | nosoapdotorg | i cant get opera or anything and they pretty outdated |
| 03:03.21 | Bry2k200 | or.....what repos you using? |
| 03:03.32 | jetscreamer | etch atm but it was sid |
| 03:03.38 | nosoapdotorg | im runnin 3.1 |
| 03:03.41 | nosoapdotorg | net install |
| 03:03.41 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
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| 03:03.50 | Bry2k200 | ya i'm using etch |
| 03:03.54 | jetscreamer | it's messy and old |
| 03:03.57 | Bry2k200 | what repo you using? |
| 03:04.01 | Bry2k200 | ahh |
| 03:04.04 | JKnife | nosoapdotorg, goto operas site and get the static linked version |
| 03:04.19 | nosoapdotorg | thanks...kind of stupid when it comes to apt |
| 03:04.23 | Bry2k200 | how bout someone gimme a good repo to use please |
| 03:04.24 | nosoapdotorg | havent used it at all |
| 03:04.30 | nosoapdotorg | debian is nice though... |
| 03:04.54 | jetscreamer | did you look at that link Bry2k200 ? |
| 03:05.18 | nosoapdotorg | anyone show me an example of their source.list |
| 03:05.18 | nosoapdotorg | ? |
| 03:05.24 | Bry2k200 | which one jetscreamer ?\ |
| 03:05.34 | Bry2k200 | oh nvm |
| 03:05.35 | Bry2k200 | i see it |
| 03:05.36 | Bry2k200 | hhee |
| 03:05.37 | tanob | hello, i updated my debian unstable, and now vmplayer (vmware player) isn't running more, the output error is: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6), any idea how to fix it? |
| 03:06.03 | Kevin` | tanob just reinstall it |
| 03:06.13 | tanob | Kevin`, vmplayer ? |
| 03:06.21 | Kevin` | yes |
| 03:06.39 | nosoapdotorg | i really just need a better mirror to add to my source.list |
| 03:06.52 | nosoapdotorg | instead of mirrors.kernel.org...its pretty slow |
| 03:06.53 | tanob | i'll try, thanks Kevin` |
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| 03:07.04 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 03:07.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 03:07.23 | maher | jetscreamer: ok - "the big sleep" plays but "delicatessen" doesn't play... |
| 03:07.26 | jetscreamer | nosoapdotorg: i've noticed when ftp.debian.org is slow, mirrors.kernel isn't. and vice versa. works for me, ymmv |
| 03:07.39 | nosoapdotorg | kool |
| 03:08.05 | jetscreamer | maher: 'could' be a different form of copy protection but no idea |
| 03:08.18 | jetscreamer | drm? |
| 03:09.17 | jetscreamer | maher: you might see if mplayer will play it |
| 03:09.36 | jetscreamer | but shouldn't matter |
| 03:09.49 | jetscreamer | both should, or neither |
| 03:10.40 | jfletcher | the big sleep is a great film |
| 03:10.45 | jfletcher | didn't know anybody else knew about it. |
| 03:10.59 | jetscreamer | never heard of woody allen |
| 03:11.02 | jetscreamer | who is he? |
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| 03:11.12 | tachyonlnx | how would it be possibel to find info in making a /boot partition on an lvm volume? |
| 03:11.14 | enouf | nosoapdotorg: there exists a debian-unofficial.org repo -- however - make certain you notify the channel, when seeking support for anything unofficial@! |
| 03:11.50 | enouf | !customer |
| 03:11.51 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 03:12.15 | Bry2k200 | ok would it be "deb ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu etch main non-free"? |
| 03:12.20 | jetscreamer | tachyonlnx: are you sure you know what you're doing? |
| 03:12.34 | jetscreamer | i don't and what you just typed looks just wrong |
| 03:12.39 | tanob | Kevin`, no, same problem |
| 03:12.41 | enouf | Bry2k200: if it's in the "mirror' list .. sure |
| 03:13.15 | enouf | Bry2k200: maybe I missed somethign pertitnent |
| 03:13.43 | Bry2k200 | ya just can't remember exactly what it's supposed to look like |
| 03:13.48 | tachyonlnx | jetscreamer yeah I had used lvm in the past |
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| 03:13.53 | Bry2k200 | if that's correct or not |
| 03:14.01 | enouf | Bry2k200: oh .. usually contrib non-free |
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| 03:14.23 | tachyonlnx | jetscreamer it's just that having a separate partition for /boot defeats the purpose of useing lvm to begin with |
| 03:14.36 | Bry2k200 | oh so add the contrib after etch main |
| 03:14.42 | enouf | Bry2k200: in other words ... etch main contrib non-free (and you can drop any after main) |
| 03:14.49 | jetscreamer | main contrib non-free |
| 03:14.54 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 03:14.59 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 03:15.07 | tachyonlnx | I want everything lvm |
| 03:15.11 | jetscreamer | tachyonlnx: it's the word 'partition' and then lvm |
| 03:15.29 | jetscreamer | isn't lvm a way to group/cluster many partitions/hd's? |
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| 03:15.53 | tachyonlnx | jetscreamer but I only have on hd |
| 03:15.57 | tachyonlnx | one* |
| 03:16.17 | enouf | Bry2k200: /msg dpkg contrib then /msg dpkg non-free |
| 03:16.23 | tachyonlnx | soo.. a separate partition for /boot looks unelegant |
| 03:16.36 | jetscreamer | why would you want one anyway |
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| 03:16.46 | jetscreamer | a seperate i mean |
| 03:16.47 | enouf | Bry2k200: and /msg dpkg policy |
| 03:17.13 | tachyonlnx | jetscreamer that's what i am saying since the beginning.. is it possible to have /boot inside lvm? |
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| 03:17.23 | tachyonlnx | os everything looks kewl? |
| 03:17.24 | jetscreamer | just leave it under / |
| 03:17.33 | maher | jetscreamer: weird - mplayer kind of works but with a52: error at resampling a52: CRC check failed! errors |
| 03:17.54 | jetscreamer | a52 is ac3 i 'think |
| 03:17.56 | jetscreamer | ' |
| 03:18.37 | tachyonlnx | jetscreamer if it's not possible then lvm should considered flawed and a bug should be filed |
| 03:18.52 | dansushi | i'm having problems with apt-get. it keeps telling me "You might want to run ‘apt-get -f install" and a do it, but it still tells me to do it.. this problem happened after i tried installing some packages for japanese input |
| 03:18.58 | jetscreamer | tachyonlnx: i know nothing about lvm except what it stands for |
| 03:19.03 | enouf | dpkg no contrib is <reply> well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 03:19.04 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 03:19.28 | jetscreamer | tachyonlnx: my question is why do you want a seperate /boot |
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| 03:19.59 | jetscreamer | maher: no idea. bad disc? (if it was me and i cared enough i'd rip it and reencode it) |
| 03:20.11 | VViki | how do I burn a bootable CD with cdrecord?? |
| 03:20.22 | jetscreamer | you don't iirc |
| 03:20.27 | enouf | VViki: man mkisofs |
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| 03:20.34 | dansushi | is there any way to uninstall apt-get, or reset everything with it? |
| 03:20.35 | jetscreamer | damn beat again |
| 03:20.57 | jetscreamer | dansushi: seriously, try this when nothing else works: |
| 03:20.59 | enouf | jetscreamer: nothing but <3 my brotha |
| 03:21.02 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 03:21.02 | dpkg | i heard fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 03:21.03 | VViki | how do I burn a bootable ISO with cdrecord?? |
| 03:21.16 | jetscreamer | we already covered that VViki |
| 03:21.22 | jetscreamer | use mkisofs |
| 03:22.04 | jetscreamer | el-torito! |
| 03:22.06 | tachyonlnx | VViki google it |
| 03:23.02 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 03:23.05 | jetscreamer | dough |
| 03:23.13 | VViki | type the command for me |
| 03:23.14 | jetscreamer | growisofs |
| 03:23.17 | jetscreamer | man that |
| 03:23.21 | jetscreamer | use -z iirc |
| 03:23.24 | jetscreamer | err Z |
| 03:23.25 | Bry2k200 | anyone got a good repo that they could recommend? |
| 03:24.42 | enouf | VViki: here's an example : /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/hdd speed=32 -tao driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data /home/username/Desktop/KNOPPIX_V3.9-2005-05-27-EN.iso |
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| 03:27.31 | enouf | VViki: jetscreamer: hehe or let k3b act as the Frontend ... but you asked specifically about cdrecord :-p |
| 03:27.35 | jetscreamer | i had some cli lines lying around, but... dey gone |
| 03:27.41 | VViki | no |
| 03:27.43 | VViki | k3b sucks |
| 03:27.50 | jetscreamer | it functions |
| 03:27.55 | enouf | jetscreamer: just save k3b output :-) |
| 03:27.56 | VViki | k3b doesnt allow admins or any user to burn CDs |
| 03:28.02 | jetscreamer | yes it does |
| 03:28.06 | VViki | not for me |
| 03:28.08 | Bry2k200 | anyone got a good repo that they could recommend? |
| 03:28.12 | jetscreamer | you have to set it up |
| 03:28.18 | plb | hrm how does debian menu work, I install limewire debian pkg and it runs fine via terminal but doesn't show up within debian menu |
| 03:28.22 | VViki | k3bsetup opens a blank window |
| 03:28.34 | jetscreamer | plb: try update-menus 'maybe' |
| 03:28.37 | jetscreamer | in xterm |
| 03:28.39 | plb | ok |
| 03:28.40 | enouf | Bry2k200: what's your issues with repos/mirrors man? |
| 03:28.59 | Bry2k200 | actuall, had one i really liked and forgot to save it |
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| 03:29.03 | jetscreamer | google unofficial debian sources maybe |
| 03:29.05 | enouf | VViki: you didn't run k3bsetup then |
| 03:29.08 | VViki | -data burns the ISO as file or as ISO?? |
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| 03:29.26 | jetscreamer | VViki: try sudo k3bsetup from an xterm sometime |
| 03:29.27 | plb | nope that didn't work |
| 03:29.29 | enouf | VViki: Bootable Knoppix CD |
| 03:29.48 | jetscreamer | plb: it could just not have the correct menu entry in the package |
| 03:30.02 | tanob | hello, i updated my debian unstable, and now vmplayer (vmware player) isn't running more, the output error is: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6), any idea how to fix it? |
| 03:30.12 | plb | hrm perhaps |
| 03:30.16 | jetscreamer | are you the same guy as the last, tanob ? |
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| 03:30.33 | jetscreamer | if not, just uninstall and reinstall is what somebody suggested |
| 03:30.36 | plb | jetscreamer: well I used alien to convert it to a deb..perhaps that is the problem |
| 03:30.43 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 03:30.53 | jetscreamer | you can start it from xterm if it's in the path |
| 03:30.57 | enouf | !aliensmite someone |
| 03:30.57 | tanob | jetscreamer, this didn't work for me |
| 03:30.58 | jetscreamer | or just supply the path |
| 03:31.08 | jetscreamer | tanob: no idea then sorry |
| 03:31.14 | tanob | np |
| 03:31.16 | jetscreamer | or just make a menu entry |
| 03:31.53 | jetscreamer | is it kde? there's a 'search for programs to put in the menu' program |
| 03:32.05 | rxed | I'm compiling a new kernel. When I boot in to it I get no mouse cursor. Is this an xorg config or a kernel issue? |
| 03:32.05 | jetscreamer | in the menu editor iirc |
| 03:32.27 | jetscreamer | rxed: probably kernel, you didn't compile in or load mousedev and/or psmouse |
| 03:32.30 | plb | jetscreamer: nah fluxbox..I know I could just do a custom menu but debian menu works nicely ;] |
| 03:32.33 | jetscreamer | at a guess |
| 03:32.48 | rxed | jetscreamer: ty |
| 03:33.21 | tachyonlnx | if someone has / on it's own partition could someone show me the result of du -h please? |
| 03:34.31 | enouf | tachyonlnx: ermm .. no ... but df -h |
| 03:34.57 | jetscreamer | that would be very long... |
| 03:35.12 | plb | Is there a way to tell alien to make a debian menu entry or whatever it is? |
| 03:35.47 | jetscreamer | plb: there's a --with-scripts switch or something like that but no idea |
| 03:35.52 | jetscreamer | / is always on it's own partition :) |
| 03:36.11 | jetscreamer | unless it's vps or something |
| 03:36.32 | jetscreamer | man alien |
| 03:37.19 | jetscreamer | i doubt whatever it is would create a debian-menu item though |
| 03:37.27 | jetscreamer | but maybe |
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| 03:38.21 | tachyonlnx | jetscreamer I meant df -h without /usr /opt /var /tmp /home |
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| 03:39.00 | asdopihaoshf | DO YOU KNOW A CD RECORDING SOFT THAT RUNS IN DOS??? |
| 03:39.15 | rxed | I'm trying to compile a kernel with a -rev flag. I'm getting an error that 'Custom1' exists in change log and has a different value. How do I fix this? |
| 03:39.26 | Kevin` | you use dos? |
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| 03:42.50 | enouf | sure .. plenty ... but this ain't #Dos you b0z0 .. and STOP YELLING! |
| 03:42.52 | rxed | I'm compiling a new kernel. When I boot in to it I get no mouse cursor. I have psmouse and mousedev modules loaded. Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 03:43.11 | maher | wtf!!!!! dvdrip can play my dvds but the dvd players can't? |
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| 03:43.23 | enouf | !!! |
| 03:43.24 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 03:46.23 | Rusty1 | plb if you have kpackage, instlall (yes the rpm) |
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| 03:50.48 | rxed | how do I remove an old kernel using kpkg? |
| 03:51.17 | liable | rxed: with apt or dpkg, not kpkg |
| 03:51.24 | enouf | rxed: no need to remove that way |
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| 03:54.33 | enouf | !customer deleted running kernel |
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| 03:57.30 | karsten | What's a good point-by-point filesystem/partition resizing guide? |
| 03:57.33 | rxed | Anyone running 2.6.18 with ipw2200? |
| 03:57.48 | karsten | ... for a low-savvy user? |
| 03:58.18 | rxed | I'm getting errors from m-a about ipw2200. Wonder if something in the new kernel is breaking it up. It worked before. |
| 03:58.50 | liable | karsten: 1) burn knoppix cd 2) fire up qtparted 3) ?? 4) profit!! |
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| 03:59.15 | liable | yes, i have been reading to much /. |
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| 03:59.53 | xjkx | i need a program to read rss, not being snownews nor arkgregeitor, and firefox plugin, because i run mozilla, ideas? |
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| 04:00.56 | JKnife | xjkx, tried searching for mozilla plugins on there site? |
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| 04:01.28 | Bry2k200 | !sources |
| 04:01.29 | dpkg | from memory, sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
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| 04:02.03 | xjkx | i think it would get it slower, reason i run mozilla and not firefox is that it opens so faster, heard mozilla does faster coz has less plugins |
| 04:02.09 | Rusty1 | karsten: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ |
| 04:02.09 | enouf | karsten: I usually send those types here http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html |
| 04:02.11 | xjkx | programs are cooler to check |
| 04:02.28 | JKnife | try sylpheed-claws.. i think it can do rss |
| 04:02.46 | liable | rxed: check bts for the kernel and ipw |
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| 04:03.45 | xjkx | kk thanks |
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| 04:06.16 | rxed | hrmm... I'm trying to m-a ipw2200 and I get this strange error message: dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture i386 does not appear in package's list (amd64) |
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| 04:07.17 | niles | hi |
| 04:07.19 | rxed | liable: no, I don't have ieee or ipw modules compiled in the kernel. |
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| 04:08.06 | niles | i would like to put ssh into a script for cron to run (still have to learn cron). but how would i automate entering the password(of course knowing it a head of time) ? |
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| 04:08.27 | liable | rxed: i mean check the bts for the ipw2200-source package to see if theres any current bugs like yours |
| 04:08.38 | niles | im using ssh for backing up remotely |
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| 04:08.56 | rxed | liable: whats bts? |
| 04:09.05 | liable | rxed: bugs.debian.org |
| 04:09.11 | rxed | oh |
| 04:09.20 | nvzn | is there a way to keep a log of apt's messages |
| 04:09.22 | nvzn | ? |
| 04:09.39 | liable | nvzn: debian-administration has an article about that iirc. or take a look at one of the packaged backup utils |
| 04:10.23 | liable | nvzn: aptitude keeps a log, also new versions of dpkg keep one also. |
| 04:11.00 | liable | niles: ^^ see my first comment to nvzn, was meant for you |
| 04:11.12 | nvzn | im looking to keep the package stuff, like "remember to do so and so thing after this is finished" |
| 04:12.08 | nvzn | i just got a message, for instance |
| 04:12.10 | nvzn | I: mdadm: will start MD array /dev/md1 from the initial ramdisk. |
| 04:12.11 | nvzn | I: mdadm: use `dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low mdadm` to change this. |
| 04:12.22 | niles | ok |
| 04:12.24 | nvzn | i'd like to see that later |
| 04:12.46 | ahlfors | I have a text file that I cut and paste crap that like into |
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| 04:16.16 | rxed | when I download sources using m-a, where can I find them on the hda? |
| 04:16.28 | liable | /usr/src |
| 04:16.39 | rxed | thanks |
| 04:18.28 | enouf | rxed: uname -r |
| 04:18.52 | rxed | enouf: cool :-) LOL |
| 04:18.52 | enouf | rxed: m-a --help |
| 04:19.17 | enouf | rxed: I'm asking for your kernel |
| 04:19.39 | rxed | enouf: it's okay. i got it. |
| 04:20.07 | Kevin` | m-a? |
| 04:20.17 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 04:20.17 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 04:21.57 | cooner750 | Hello |
| 04:22.18 | cooner750 | How can I accomplish copying: /mnt/maxtor/Mac2 to /mnt/dos/Mac2 ? |
| 04:22.24 | cooner750 | or do I use /dev/ ? |
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| 04:24.40 | cooner750 | anyone? |
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| 04:25.17 | cafuego | cooner750: copy the files with 'cp -a' |
| 04:25.41 | cafuego | cooner750: ie: cp -a /mnt/maxtor/Mac2 /mnt/dos |
| 04:26.07 | cafuego | Note that it may whine (but not error!) if /mnt/maxtor is not a fat32 filesystem. |
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| 04:26.47 | jetscreamer | that would be -R |
| 04:27.22 | cafuego | That would be the same thing. |
| 04:27.44 | cafuego | -R, -r, --recursive |
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| 04:28.12 | cafuego | -a preserved ownership, modes and tiemstamps though |
| 04:29.53 | jetscreamer | -r doesn't work |
| 04:29.57 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 04:30.31 | jetscreamer | and there are no perms on fat or vfat linux sees it all as 777, unless you mount it diff |
| 04:31.17 | abrotman | vfat has ownership ? |
| 04:31.19 | jetscreamer | never thought about timestamps though |
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| 04:31.44 | cooner750 | it's working. Is there any copy program I could use (note: no GUI here) that will show progress? |
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| 04:31.53 | JKnife | =/ the beta driver isnt showing up in synaptic |
| 04:31.55 | cooner750 | Because this is 5.53GB and I have no idea how long it will take |
| 04:32.01 | abrotman | a while :) |
| 04:32.15 | jetscreamer | depends on the drives and stuff |
| 04:32.29 | jetscreamer | i was getting 33MB/s today, but it got slower |
| 04:32.35 | jetscreamer | after about 30G |
| 04:32.45 | cooner750 | from a USB 2.0 external to internal 5400RPM |
| 04:32.48 | cooner750 | ATA133 |
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| 04:33.01 | jetscreamer | 5-10 minutes maybe, i dunno |
| 04:33.02 | JKnife | should have done -a |
| 04:33.06 | JKnife | -v* |
| 04:33.17 | jetscreamer | man cp sheesh |
| 04:33.56 | jetscreamer | ah ok -r does work it says |
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| 04:34.13 | cooner750 | are there any copy programs like cp that can show progress via a text-like progress bar (like wget, I think, does) |
| 04:34.43 | amphi | cooner750: you'll get such stuff if you use mc |
| 04:34.45 | gowriganesh | -ChanServ- how can i get operator access for apache-ws |
| 04:34.51 | Schalken | i just installed debian and when i start it it says 'cant start x server: no screens found' |
| 04:35.00 | Schalken | how do i fix this? |
| 04:35.23 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:35.30 | jetscreamer | unless it's xfree |
| 04:35.49 | jetscreamer | then grep EE /var/log/X<tab> |
| 04:35.50 | Schalken | jetscreamer: its sarge so its xfree86 |
| 04:35.57 | jetscreamer | XF maybe |
| 04:36.03 | jetscreamer | not sure about the filename |
| 04:36.09 | jetscreamer | but same thing |
| 04:36.24 | Schalken | jetscreamer: then what? |
| 04:36.58 | jetscreamer | you mention what was returned as the value for the grep? |
| 04:37.11 | jetscreamer | but if it's > a line or two |
| 04:37.13 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 04:37.13 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 04:37.22 | tachyonlnx | how do I name the top level directory on an LVM volume? |
| 04:37.31 | tachyonlnx | someone |
| 04:37.35 | jetscreamer | have a christening? |
| 04:37.40 | Schalken | jetscreamer: i am in ubuntu livecd now. |
| 04:37.59 | Schalken | jetscreamer: what do i do once i know what the grep says? |
| 04:38.16 | jetscreamer | you fix it. EE is/are the errors, reason why. |
| 04:38.32 | jetscreamer | helps to know the error |
| 04:38.42 | jetscreamer | but usually it's the refresh rates or the mouse |
| 04:38.48 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 04:38.48 | dpkg | it has been said that hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 04:39.21 | Schalken | jetscreamer: after i set the driver from nv to vesa it said there was no such thing as /dev/input/mouse |
| 04:39.41 | jetscreamer | then it's modprobe mousedev and/or psmouse |
| 04:40.01 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/modules and put those words in to have them loaded when you boot, also |
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| 04:40.10 | jetscreamer | so you won't have to modprobe all the time |
| 04:40.39 | Schalken | jetscreamer: okay, so edit /etc/modules and add |
| 04:40.46 | jetscreamer | but just changing that driver shouldn't break your mouse |
| 04:40.49 | Schalken | 'modprobe mousedev psmouse' |
| 04:40.54 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:40.58 | jetscreamer | mousedev |
| 04:41.01 | jetscreamer | psmouse |
| 04:41.15 | jetscreamer | seperate lines. modprobe is how you do it from the console |
| 04:41.19 | JKnife | ok i think i am one step closer to the beta drivers... |
| 04:41.22 | jetscreamer | modprobe mousedev |
| 04:41.25 | Schalken | jetscreamer: okay |
| 04:41.26 | jetscreamer | what beta drivers |
| 04:41.33 | JKnife | nvidias |
| 04:41.43 | jetscreamer | they work fine btw |
| 04:41.50 | JKnife | i know they do |
| 04:41.52 | cooner750 | how do I execute the numbered commands in mc, such as 5-Copy? |
| 04:41.58 | jetscreamer | F5 |
| 04:42.01 | Schalken | jetscreamer: but if i change the driver back to nv will it say no screens found again? |
| 04:42.03 | JKnife | i was using them with Xubuntu and beryl |
| 04:42.33 | jetscreamer | Schalken: probably. that might be the v&h refresh rates |
| 04:42.36 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 04:42.37 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 04:42.52 | jetscreamer | hwinfo first, Schalken |
| 04:42.55 | jetscreamer | --monitor |
| 04:43.10 | jetscreamer | you want to choose advanced, if it asks you |
| 04:43.15 | jetscreamer | when you drxx |
| 04:43.24 | Schalken | jetscreamer: oh okay |
| 04:43.33 | jetscreamer | jsut hwinfo --monitor to get the values |
| 04:43.42 | jetscreamer | advanced to be able to put them in |
| 04:43.54 | jetscreamer | when you drxx |
| 04:44.18 | Schalken | jetscreamer: right, i will right this down, try it and come back |
| 04:44.23 | jetscreamer | but try just the mousdev stuff first |
| 04:44.30 | jetscreamer | and/or psmouse |
| 04:44.45 | jetscreamer | but probably won't be psmouse |
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| 04:45.19 | jetscreamer | try both though, and it won't hurt anything if you just put both in /etc/modules |
| 04:45.48 | jetscreamer | JKnife: do you have your linux-headers? you need pkg-config also |
| 04:46.08 | jetscreamer | pkg-config helps the installer know where to install |
| 04:46.55 | JKnife | i got it built and installed.. rerunning dpkg-reconfigure.. |
| 04:47.05 | Schalken | jetscreamer: cool, back in a few mins |
| 04:47.17 | JKnife | (just because i am comming from Xubuntu doesn't mean i dont know what i am doing =P ) |
| 04:47.37 | jetscreamer | JKnife: dpkg-reconfigure is borked, or was last time i looked, in etch and sid |
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| 04:47.48 | jetscreamer | hand edit that bastid! |
| 04:47.50 | JKnife | it is working |
| 04:47.58 | jetscreamer | is it done though |
| 04:48.05 | jetscreamer | it borks at the end |
| 04:48.10 | JKnife | nvidia 9xxx is installed |
| 04:48.22 | JKnife | uhmm i will look over the final product then |
| 04:48.42 | jetscreamer | it will tell you 'won't write, X is different!' or so |
| 04:49.01 | jetscreamer | note that it's not supposed to be messing with /etc/X11/X |
| 04:49.03 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 04:49.18 | jetscreamer | but xorg.conf |
| 04:50.02 | JKnife | uhmm.. it said that then wrote it to xorg.conf |
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| 04:50.15 | jetscreamer | maybe it's fixed |
| 04:50.19 | jetscreamer | i don't use it :) |
| 04:50.31 | jetscreamer | i just keep copies stashed |
| 04:50.33 | craigevil | it gives the weird warning but writes andway at least in Sid |
| 04:50.48 | jetscreamer | ah good |
| 04:50.55 | MentaLMobiuS | hello, im planning to change from fedora to debian, but i want to know if debian is recommended for my java,tomcat and postgresql? |
| 04:51.16 | jetscreamer | java is in non-free, but everything else is there |
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| 04:51.20 | SpaceFrog | Whats the best program i can use for viewing/capturing from my Webcam? |
| 04:51.24 | jetscreamer | i'd compare available versions though |
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| 04:52.28 | toraton | I'm just curious, are there any plans for Debian to migrate away from System V ever? |
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| 04:54.26 | d | my debian boots into console. i have to type startx to get to desktop. how can i automate this task? |
| 04:54.42 | jetscreamer | apt-get install ?dm |
| 04:54.49 | jetscreamer | put g if gnome k if kde |
| 04:54.59 | jetscreamer | either will do |
| 04:55.17 | jetscreamer | but you get a couple more buttons if you use the matching one |
| 04:55.24 | jetscreamer | or you could use xdm or wdm |
| 04:55.35 | jetscreamer | but you'd probably be happier with g or d |
| 04:55.37 | jetscreamer | err k |
| 04:56.28 | jetscreamer | then after they're installed you can configure them(gui) to log you in auto |
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| 04:56.41 | jetscreamer | if you want |
| 04:56.55 | d | jetscreamer, thnx |
| 04:57.37 | d | jetscreamer, but how can i put command startx in some script so it can run during boot up? |
| 04:59.42 | jetscreamer | there's a way, i just don't know how |
| 04:59.42 | JKnife | -_- that was funny but not funny... it built a pkg that said it was 9xxx but ti was really the 8xxx kernel driver |
| 04:59.53 | jetscreamer | what did |
| 05:00.02 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:00.05 | JKnife | m-a built that pkg |
| 05:00.05 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 05:00.16 | jetscreamer | not the .run |
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| 05:00.35 | JKnife | yeah... gdm shouted at me and hurt my feelings |
| 05:00.36 | jetscreamer | i jsut use the nvidia-installer |
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| 05:00.50 | JKnife | i already said why i wont use it |
| 05:00.57 | jetscreamer | i missed that |
| 05:01.11 | JKnife | i like having everything in the pkg manager |
| 05:01.19 | JKnife | if i didnt i would use lfs |
| 05:01.23 | JKnife | or slackware |
| 05:01.51 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 05:02.52 | Deon|alt | hi |
| 05:02.54 | Deon|alt | I'm trying to get an old P1 with 16MB RAM running Linux |
| 05:02.59 | Deon|alt | on LiveCD |
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| 05:03.46 | tachyonlnx | Deon|alt try PuppyOS it's awsome I've ran on several old system |
| 05:04.09 | Deon|alt | ive tried MEPIS, DSL, Puppy, Feather.. |
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| 05:04.15 | Deon|alt | Puppy wont load.. |
| 05:04.25 | Deon|alt | it gets to the desktop where the little X thing is.. then just stops. |
| 05:04.30 | Guerin | Deon|alt: rub its nose in something |
| 05:04.48 | JKnife | poo!! |
| 05:04.49 | tachyonlnx | aha... what are you planning to do with such a trash? |
| 05:05.07 | tachyonlnx | Deon|alt try blueflops... it has tetris!! |
| 05:05.10 | JKnife | is it a ppro? |
| 05:05.10 | Deon|alt | internet if possible.. |
| 05:05.15 | tachyonlnx | and it fits in two floppies |
| 05:05.21 | wols_ | Deon|alt: how is this related to debian? |
| 05:05.29 | Deon|alt | wols_ I was told to come here.. |
| 05:05.31 | JKnife | Deon|alt, is it a P Pro? |
| 05:05.38 | wols_ | by who? |
| 05:06.22 | tachyonlnx | I ran blueflops on a p4 and a p1 |
| 05:06.22 | wols_ | !OT |
| 05:06.22 | dpkg | from memory, ot is off topic |
| 05:06.22 | Deon|alt | because their either too busy or asleep in ##linux, #debian, #ubuntu or #linuxhelp |
| 05:06.22 | Deon|alt | JKnife: P Pro? |
| 05:06.22 | JKnife | pentium pro |
| 05:06.22 | JKnife | a i686 |
| 05:06.22 | wols_ | we're still a debian ONLY channel |
| 05:06.23 | tachyonlnx | Deon|alt try blueflops |
| 05:06.23 | Guerin | Deon|alt: we'll be glad to help you install debian |
| 05:06.46 | Deon|alt | will debian run on a P1 + 16MB RAM |
| 05:06.58 | wols_ | not with X, sorry |
| 05:07.12 | JKnife | nothin will run with X on that |
| 05:07.35 | JKnife | you can use elinks in the console with gpm |
| 05:07.37 | tachyonlnx | JKnife why not? if m$$ is able to run why not linux? |
| 05:07.53 | SubStack | with one of those really old window managers maybe |
| 05:07.57 | wols_ | tachyonlnx: you can only run win95 with it |
| 05:07.58 | Deon|alt | JKnife: will any thing with a net browser run on such a machine |
| 05:07.58 | Tallu | Couldnt he run fluxbox or blackbox |
| 05:08.09 | tachyonlnx | if a goddam mac 2RAM has GUI why not linux on a p1? |
| 05:08.13 | SubStack | flux might be too heavy |
| 05:08.23 | JKnife | Deon|alt, elinks is a web browser with tabbed browsing |
| 05:08.24 | wols_ | Deon|alt: no browsers. browsers are hogs |
| 05:08.40 | wols_ | tachyonlnx: cause Macs have their GUI in ROM |
| 05:08.44 | JKnife | but it is console based |
| 05:08.46 | epsilon | tachyonlnx: any 10 years old OS with X will run on it, incl linux/unix from '95 |
| 05:09.05 | Deon|alt | wols_: how can i use the net if I can't even get a web browser happenin? |
| 05:09.13 | JKnife | Deon|alt, look up elinks |
| 05:09.16 | JKnife | -_- |
| 05:09.22 | tachyonlnx | Deon|alt lynx |
| 05:09.24 | jetscreamer | why would you want x on that anyway |
| 05:09.29 | tachyonlnx | debhelper or less |
| 05:09.35 | jetscreamer | that would be kinda silly |
| 05:09.43 | Deon|alt | can i put any GUI on it> |
| 05:09.44 | tachyonlnx | less www.somewebpage.com |
| 05:09.48 | Guerin | tachyonlnx: mac gui != X |
| 05:09.50 | wols_ | Deon|alt: contrary to popular belief, the internet is NOT the intarweb |
| 05:09.53 | JKnife | tachyonlnx, hehe |
| 05:10.12 | Deon|alt | wols_ :| |
| 05:10.18 | tachyonlnx | wols_ so why can't linux be installed in the ROM? |
| 05:10.23 | JKnife | X alone takes up like 20 somethin megs that is not including a window manager |
| 05:10.35 | jetscreamer | you can embed linux |
| 05:10.58 | wols_ | tachyonlnx: cause a x86 PC has around 128-256kB ROM only however there is e.g. LinuxBIOS |
| 05:11.44 | tachyonlnx | Deon|alt I am afraid the internet of today (web 2.0) is not designed to be browsed with a filthy p1... sorry to brake this news but you'd nee at least 500mgz to watch youtube |
| 05:11.54 | jetscreamer | speaking of ONTOPIC: toshiba+windows, a match made in.... in..... something very very bad... |
| 05:12.06 | JKnife | jetscreamer, you are gonna find this funny... gdm kept crashing b/c it found the 8xxx module... i forgot to rmmod it =) |
| 05:12.25 | jetscreamer | !lart that package manager |
| 05:12.52 | jetscreamer | nvidia-installer just takes it away ... OT zomg |
| 05:12.55 | jetscreamer | !kill me |
| 05:13.06 | JKnife | !kill dpkg |
| 05:13.12 | JKnife | =) |
| 05:13.24 | jetscreamer | gah cuts off head with pipe |
| 05:13.35 | Deon|alt | tachyonlnx: i can assure you i wnt be on youtube :P |
| 05:13.35 | jetscreamer | neat trick |
| 05:13.47 | ahlfors | because you can't recompile the kernel if it is stored in ROM! |
| 05:13.51 | jetscreamer | he does/did |
| 05:14.01 | jetscreamer | i was wondering why he didn't |
| 05:14.18 | JKnife | uhmm |
| 05:14.41 | tachyonlnx | Deon|alt it doesn't make sense... in what country are you in? In that case I would wait for OLPC laptops |
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| 05:14.56 | tachyonlnx | Deon|alt aren't you on internet right now? |
| 05:15.09 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice tachyonlnx |
| 05:15.26 | JKnife | tachyonlnx, this is IRC not the internet.. everyone knows that |
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| 05:15.43 | jetscreamer | me too :) |
| 05:15.44 | Schalken | jetscreamer: i added mousedev and X started but i couldnt move my mouse :( |
| 05:15.46 | Deon|alt | tachyonlnx: Australia |
| 05:15.54 | Deon|alt | tachonlnx: yes, im on my pC |
| 05:15.58 | JKnife | still funny i forgot to unload the old one |
| 05:16.48 | jetscreamer | not sure about that one Schalken ... unless you did psmouse also and that 'tricked' x into thinking you really had a mouse |
| 05:17.02 | jetscreamer | is it a usb mouse? |
| 05:17.13 | Schalken | jetscreamer: ps mouse was already there and i tried removing it but didnt change anything |
| 05:17.28 | tachyonlnx | Deon|alt use blueflops... I am telling you two floppies that run off RAM and with the option to be installed on hardrive and you can browse internet with links graphically |
| 05:17.32 | Schalken | jetscreamer: usb but plugged into PS/2, optical |
| 05:17.33 | tachyonlnx | it uses framebuffer |
| 05:17.39 | jetscreamer | already where.. in /etc/modules? ahh |
| 05:17.49 | Schalken | jetscreamer: yeah |
| 05:18.07 | jetscreamer | if it was me i'd check and see if it works in a usb port |
| 05:18.18 | Deon|alt | tachyonlnx: kk.. ill download it :) does it have a CD-equiv? |
| 05:18.24 | jetscreamer | but not sure about it |
| 05:18.36 | Schalken | jetscreamer: bagh, y cant it work the same way all the other distros use it? |
| 05:18.43 | jetscreamer | or |
| 05:18.59 | jetscreamer | maybe you need to select /dev/psaux instead of /dev/input/mice |
| 05:19.02 | jetscreamer | when you drxx |
| 05:19.15 | tachyonlnx | Deon|alt can your p1 boot of a CD? |
| 05:19.25 | jetscreamer | i dunno they're anal or something |
| 05:19.31 | Schalken | jetscreamer: with mousedev or psmouse or both? |
| 05:19.32 | jetscreamer | but it's really nice once it's set up |
| 05:19.51 | Deon|alt | tachyonlnx: kind of.. |
| 05:20.10 | Deon|alt | when I ran MEPIS and DSL, i needed a boot floppy that "told" the computer to look in the CD drive |
| 05:20.14 | Deon|alt | it cant boot directly from CD drive |
| 05:20.15 | jetscreamer | Schalken: when you do dpkg-reconfigure, it will ask you about the kind of mouse, and the mouse's port. try /dev/psaux instead of /dev/input/mice |
| 05:20.32 | tachyonlnx | Deon|alt try gentoo livecd |
| 05:20.35 | jetscreamer | or try a different mouse |
| 05:20.37 | Guerin | Deon|alt: you'll need to do that in debian too, then |
| 05:21.03 | Guerin | Deon|alt: it's probably easier to put the drive in another computer and install there, then move it over |
| 05:21.04 | JKnife | another one bites the dust |
| 05:21.08 | jetscreamer | some bios's have updates to fix that no-booting btw |
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| 05:21.38 | Deon|alt | Guerin: I dont want to break anything :P |
| 05:21.56 | Deon|alt | its running Windows 95 atm.. and I installed Office 2000, i can atleast type assignments.. |
| 05:21.57 | JKnife | i installed compiz and it changed my gdm login -_- or somethin did |
| 05:22.03 | Deon|alt | i dont want to screw the whole thing :P |
| 05:22.27 | Schalken | jetscreamer: is there a debian derivative that is likely to have all this already working? |
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| 05:23.03 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 05:23.19 | Schalken | jetscreamer: hmmmmmmmm |
| 05:23.23 | jetscreamer | #kanotix or #ubuntu ... note which one i put first |
| 05:23.33 | jetscreamer | but ubuntu might be cool |
| 05:23.38 | Guerin | jetscreamer: you and your kanotix fetish |
| 05:24.07 | Guerin | jetscreamer: it's like having the hots for a fourteen year-old meth-head who likes razor blades |
| 05:24.11 | jetscreamer | Guerin: it works, it's actively dev'd, and he writes some killer scripts. |
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| 05:24.22 | Guerin | jetscreamer: killer being the operative word |
| 05:24.28 | Schalken | jetscreamer: im in ubuntu right now and i was using kubuntu for kde but its kinda buggy |
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| 05:25.08 | JKnife | Schalken, try Xubuntu in Edgy |
| 05:25.09 | jetscreamer | his modelines are a little too agressive for this old monitor i have, but other than that i have yet to see where the downside is |
| 05:25.22 | jetscreamer | but i run debian :) |
| 05:25.26 | Schalken | JKnife: i prefer kde |
| 05:25.29 | Guerin | JKnife: because THEY won't be buggy at all. |
| 05:25.32 | JKnife | i am sorry |
| 05:25.34 | jetscreamer | kanotix is all about kde |
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| 05:25.44 | jetscreamer | he's german even |
| 05:25.45 | JKnife | Guerin, ? |
| 05:26.04 | Guerin | JKnife: he's complaining about bugs and you're recommending even LESS tested software. Nice move. |
| 05:26.26 | Guerin | JKnife: comes a time. |
| 05:26.27 | JKnife | cept for 3rd party pkgs |
| 05:26.42 | Guerin | ... which you have to install, because it has a package repository of 200 |
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| 05:27.29 | JKnife | thats funny because after every release they ync there dev tree with debian testing |
| 05:28.12 | JKnife | sync* |
| 05:29.25 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:29.37 | Guerin | because taking a snapshot of testing is a good way to get a stable system |
| 05:29.48 | Guerin | !sid iso |
| 05:29.48 | dpkg | methinks sid iso is a BAD idea. Taking an unsupported snapshot of an unstable system and expecting it to work? Well, hell. You pays your $0 and you takes your chances. You get to keep the pieces and we get to laugh at you. |
| 05:30.04 | Guerin | ↑ same applies |
| 05:30.18 | Schalken | !testing iso |
| 05:30.18 | dpkg | Testing ISOs (or worse, unstable ISOs) have no purpose whatsoever. The second you download them, they are out of date. Don't use them unless you have a *REAL* reason to do so. Hint: Installing testing isn't a real reason. |
| 05:30.50 | Schalken | i dont get this bot |
| 05:31.19 | Schalken | im not sure whats sarcasm, seriousness or just some it guy's poor sense of humour |
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| 05:31.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:32.53 | odla | !stable iso |
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| 05:35.31 | Schalken | is it possible for a user to not have a password? |
| 05:36.46 | Schalken | eh? eh? |
| 05:37.10 | odla | oh ffs |
| 05:37.45 | jetscreamer | afaik yes |
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| 05:38.16 | liable | its terrible when you need a beer to get over having too many last night. luckily, i am dedicated |
| 05:38.42 | jetscreamer | the point is that as soon as you d/l the entire iso it's going to need to be updated so why bother, use a netinst |
| 05:38.59 | liable | bother when the kernel supports your hardware? |
| 05:39.28 | jetscreamer | make your box brew beer |
| 05:39.41 | jetscreamer | it can brew tea/coffee why not beer |
| 05:39.55 | liable | thats a project that needs looking into |
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| 05:40.26 | Schalken | what do we use for installing software in kde? |
| 05:40.35 | Guerin | Schalken: aptitude |
| 05:40.37 | wols_ | tea and coffee are made in 5 minutes. to brew beer you need several weeks |
| 05:40.44 | epsilon | konsole |
| 05:40.46 | wols_ | no good |
| 05:41.02 | Guerin | wols_: what, don't think your uptime is good enough? |
| 05:41.19 | Schalken | is kpackage being maintained? |
| 05:41.22 | jetscreamer | qsynaptic iirc? there are others |
| 05:41.26 | wols_ | Guerin: that would work, but my CPU is not hot enough |
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| 05:41.38 | epsilon | Schalken: every package is maintained by someone |
| 05:41.47 | Guerin | liable: do they make size 11 ugg boots? |
| 05:42.11 | liable | Guerin: i guess so. need a big sheep though i spose |
| 05:42.26 | Schalken | epsilon: i mean the software itself. it seems old and not very developed |
| 05:42.28 | Guerin | liable: anyway, a coppers brewing kit is $75 - that's about 2 weeks worth of beer, so if I get six months out of it it would still be a deal |
| 05:42.37 | Guerin | s/copp/coop/ |
| 05:43.03 | Guerin | !maint kpackage |
| 05:43.07 | dpkg | kpackage: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org> |
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| 05:43.23 | liable | Guerin: yeah, if you actually keep at it for a while, you can make a good brew, but most give up after a couple of attempts when it tastes like shit |
| 05:43.36 | Guerin | liable: indeed |
| 05:43.38 | liable | Guerin: home brew ginger ale is worth trying too |
| 05:43.58 | Guerin | most people (me included) consider themselves too clever to Just Follow The Fucking Instructions |
| 05:44.10 | Guerin | liable: oh, my best mate makes that, it's good stuff |
| 05:44.21 | Guerin | good with rum in |
| 05:44.32 | liable | Guerin: yeah, and a bit easier to get a nice brew |
| 05:44.35 | epsilon | Schalken: try it. if yu don't like it, purge it. |
| 05:44.39 | jetscreamer | mwilson lent a sense of style to the chan |
| 05:44.52 | epsilon | Schalken: that the only way to test packages |
| 05:45.00 | jetscreamer | maybe not everybody's favorite style though |
| 05:45.36 | liable | if you could remove whatever was up his ass, he wasnt too bad |
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| 05:46.01 | Tido | apache2-mpm-worker: Depends: apache2-common (= 2.0.54-5sarge1) but 2.0.54-5.swsoft.1 is to be installed |
| 05:46.04 | Tido | bah |
| 05:46.07 | Tido | thanks mIRC |
| 05:46.16 | epsilon | np |
| 05:46.42 | Tido | anywho, how do I make apt-get happy with my version of apache2-common? |
| 05:47.05 | epsilon | eh? |
| 05:47.23 | epsilon | you have self-made package? |
| 05:47.27 | Tido | I don't |
| 05:47.35 | wols_ | Tido: don't use wrong repositories |
| 05:47.39 | wols_ | like this swsoft crap |
| 05:47.40 | Guerin | Tido: use the deps from that same repository |
| 05:47.57 | Guerin | Tido: don't mix, it ain't pretty what comes out when you do. |
| 05:48.04 | Tido | sounds like good advice |
| 05:48.24 | Tido | any suggestions for repositories to use? |
| 05:48.36 | wols_ | the debian ones |
| 05:48.50 | Tido | so outdated though :x |
| 05:49.04 | Guerin | Tido: you're running a webserver, what need you for bling? |
| 05:49.05 | wols_ | that swsoft thing doesn't look any newer to me... |
| 05:49.09 | wols_ | !backports |
| 05:49.09 | dpkg | methinks backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 05:49.32 | Tido | yeah I was using the ones from backports.org |
| 05:49.43 | Deon|away | <tachyonlnx>Deon|alt try gentoo livecd |
| 05:49.49 | Deon|away | Gentoo live Cd needs at least 128MB RAM |
| 05:50.20 | JKnife | time for my bed |
| 05:50.39 | JKnife | then gentoo live cd is nothing more then a cli based installer |
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| 05:53.03 | Deon|alt | so im still lost as to what to do.. |
| 05:53.20 | Deon|alt | i just need to be able to get on the net.. |
| 05:54.30 | liable | Deon|alt: have you not tried dsl? |
| 05:54.38 | Deon|alt | DSL won |
| 05:54.39 | Deon|alt | t load |
| 05:54.54 | Deon|alt | it says "enter runlevel" |
| 05:55.10 | liable | and? |
| 05:55.14 | Deon|alt | then something about no more processes on this runlevel, no matter what I type |
| 05:56.00 | Deon|alt | im at the boot screen now, if you think u might be able to help? |
| 05:56.16 | epsilon | what are you running on what mashine? |
| 05:56.19 | liable | prolly not, i havent ever used it :/ |
| 05:57.24 | Deon|alt | epsilon: I'm running Windows 95 on the HDD.. |
| 05:57.27 | liable | Deon|alt: they do have a channel here on FN though |
| 05:57.29 | isofunk2 | sup |
| 05:57.30 | Deon|alt | its a P1, 16MB RAM |
| 05:57.34 | Deon|alt | liable: #dsl |
| 05:57.41 | Deon|alt | forwards to #damnsmalllinux |
| 05:57.45 | liable | Deon|alt: #damnsmalllinux iirc |
| 05:58.05 | Deon|alt | they said hi to me when i entered (around 2 hrs ago), then when I asked my question they all fell silent |
| 05:58.15 | Deon|alt | and have been since I asked.. |
| 05:58.38 | liable | bugger. |
| 05:59.07 | Deon|alt | yeh :( |
| 05:59.20 | Deon|alt | even DOS Internet browsers.. |
| 05:59.27 | Deon|alt | none of them would work with it.. |
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| 06:12.21 | niles | tarzeau: fglrx makes my kernel panic. is it installed correctly? it is listed under lsmod. |
| 06:13.55 | wols_ | niles: your kernel is tainted, no one but ati can help you there |
| 06:14.10 | tarzeau | niles: dunno, doesn't work at all? |
| 06:14.21 | Tallu | Whoo, ordering my ubiquiti card tomorrow. :) |
| 06:14.28 | tarzeau | niles: i've had one computer that also failed with one ATI card... |
| 06:14.33 | Fke | hey, i have an .iso file right, and i copied it to my USB drive, how can i make the file (.iso) boot from it? |
| 06:14.43 | tarzeau | niles: i'm glad we have 50 nvidia cards and only 3 ati ones and not the other way around |
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| 06:18.36 | wols_ | !tell Fke about ig |
| 06:19.24 | Fke | wols_: wtf? |
| 06:19.35 | wols_ | Fke: are you able to read? |
| 06:19.41 | Fke | i don't need to install anything |
| 06:20.14 | wols_ | you obviously want to boot something. that means you want to load an OS. The only OS we support here is debian. so you obviously want to boot debian |
| 06:20.21 | wols_ | the install manual describes hwo to do that |
| 06:20.44 | wols_ | if you don't want to boot debian: ask elsewhere,it's OT |
| 06:21.07 | niles | it just started crashing just recently |
| 06:21.13 | niles | looks like nVidia is the way to go |
| 06:21.20 | wols_ | niles: then what did you change "just recently"? |
| 06:21.37 | niles | nothing really. i had blackdown thats it |
| 06:21.43 | niles | and installed python. |
| 06:21.57 | niles | nothing low level |
| 06:22.17 | Fke | i don't need to install anything |
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| 06:22.32 | wols_ | then why would you want to boot from USB? what for? |
| 06:22.43 | Fke | ok |
| 06:22.46 | Fke | let me re-explain it |
| 06:22.49 | Fke | ok |
| 06:22.59 | navaladi | Hi frends, any Data announced for Debian4.0? |
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| 06:23.05 | Fke | let's say i copy a file (.iso) to a USB drive right |
| 06:23.19 | wols_ | !tell navaladi about WIR |
| 06:23.25 | Fke | and i want to make it auto-start like when you burn it on a cd |
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| 06:23.28 | navaladi | sorry Date |
| 06:23.29 | Fke | you get what im saying? |
| 06:23.59 | wols_ | Fke: lots of custom scripting, including a automounter |
| 06:24.24 | wols_ | KyleH: can you be more specific |
| 06:24.27 | craigevil | yeah read the docs |
| 06:24.34 | Fke | how do i do it though |
| 06:24.38 | wols_ | all I can say is "don't use fedora", but that's a prejudice of mine |
| 06:24.45 | KyleH | wols_: can you recommend any good install guides, prep information, etc? |
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| 06:24.53 | wols_ | !tell KyleH about ig |
| 06:25.23 | wols_ | Fke: you automount the usb stick, automount the iso on the usb stick and then runs something on the ISO automatically |
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| 06:25.40 | craigevil | !ig |
| 06:25.41 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 06:25.49 | wols_ | however there is no "autorun.inf" or whatever windows uses for Linux, cause it's considered a stupid idea generally |
| 06:26.14 | wols_ | not to mention a security risk |
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| 06:26.48 | black_13 | i have just set up my debian system but i cant get x11 to work correctly |
| 06:26.49 | Fke | wols_: is it possible for windows? |
| 06:26.51 | Tido | anyone know how to get php5 working with apache2-mpm-worker? debian wants to do the apache prefork anytime I try to install libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 06:27.04 | navaladi | wols_:i didn't on RSN & SYIN.. |
| 06:27.13 | streuner | black_13: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 06:27.17 | wols_ | filip: not with a ISO: but better ask #windows or MS support or whatever |
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| 06:27.24 | black_13 | ill do htat |
| 06:27.29 | rue_house | debhelper, tell rue_house about mmap |
| 06:27.43 | rue_house | debhelper, tell rue_house about dynamic mmap |
| 06:27.50 | rue_house | apt tell rue_house about dynamic mmap |
| 06:27.52 | wols_ | !tell rue_house about ask |
| 06:28.01 | rue_house | !tell rue_house about dynamic mmap |
| 06:28.09 | rue_house | ;) thanks mate |
| 06:28.12 | black_13 | streuner its having problems finding the mouse pointer |
| 06:28.34 | streuner | black_13: what kind of mouse do you have? |
| 06:28.38 | wols_ | rue_house: next time, /msg the bot please, ok? |
| 06:28.51 | black_13 | but to answer your request it asay VGA compatible controller: VMWare Inc |
| 06:29.11 | rue_house | didn't know which one was the bot :) |
| 06:29.48 | streuner | black_13: so you running vmware? |
| 06:29.54 | black_13 | yep |
| 06:30.05 | black_13 | please dont say "its not supported" |
| 06:30.07 | streuner | so ask vmware |
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| 06:30.39 | streuner | you have support for vmware, even if you using demo-version |
| 06:30.41 | rue_house | its not working :/ |
| 06:30.47 | wols_ | black_13: so find out what vmware uses for a mouse (e.g. how it's connected) |
| 06:31.25 | streuner | black_13: we support free and open sources |
| 06:31.50 | black_13 | pedantic |
| 06:32.11 | rue_house | apt 0.3.19 |
| 06:32.12 | apt | 0.3 |
| 06:32.20 | wols_ | black_13: if you want to use debian, there are the DFSG. and you knew them up front |
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| 06:32.30 | black_13 | dfsg? |
| 06:32.44 | streuner | !dfsg |
| 06:32.44 | dpkg | i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 06:33.58 | black_13 | pedantic |
| 06:34.00 | Guerin | black_13: even apart from license issues, we CAN'T suppose vmware because it's a black box |
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| 06:34.16 | Guerin | black_13: we have no access to how it works, no way to fix it |
| 06:34.33 | Guerin | black_13: apart from anything else, you can BUY contracts for support |
| 06:34.39 | Guerin | so why should we support it for free? |
| 06:35.14 | liable | cause your really nice guys |
| 06:35.19 | Guerin | !aww |
| 06:35.19 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 06:35.21 | craigevil | black_13 try looking in http://www.vmware.com/community/index.jspa |
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| 06:42.00 | rue_house | ok, I have a system I just installed using an old cd, I cant use apt to get packages to upgrade it, suggestions? |
| 06:42.09 | rue_house | I cant get to debootstrap either |
| 06:42.26 | Guerin | rue_house: why not? |
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| 06:42.33 | wols_ | rue_house: how old? |
| 06:42.46 | rue_house | its not on the cd, I cant get it cause apt cant get packages |
| 06:42.54 | Guerin | rue_house: why not? |
| 06:43.26 | rue_house | its 2.2 |
| 06:43.35 | Guerin | !jatfq rue_house |
| 06:43.35 | dpkg | rue_house: Just Answer The Fucking Question |
| 06:43.38 | rue_house | cause the mmap fix isn't working |
| 06:43.47 | Guerin | ok, now we're getting somewhere |
| 06:43.53 | rue_house | hold up, I'm runinng between rooms |
| 06:43.53 | epsilon | debian 2.2? |
| 06:43.54 | wols_ | what's in you're sources.list? |
| 06:43.56 | rue_house | yes |
| 06:44.00 | epsilon | it's fucking old |
| 06:44.10 | rue_house | http://us.debain.org |
| 06:44.11 | wols_ | *your |
| 06:44.17 | rue_house | even iwth just main it cant do it |
| 06:44.18 | wols_ | what distro,not URL |
| 06:44.20 | Guerin | rue_house: well, that explains it |
| 06:44.38 | rue_house | ok, how can I crowbar it up enough to work with |
| 06:44.38 | Guerin | rue_house: http://us.debain.org is nowhere near a proper apt line |
| 06:44.41 | wols_ | and you really want to upgrade to woody first I guess |
| 06:44.53 | rue_house | ok k, it'll take me a few mins |
| 06:45.03 | rue_house | its the default line when you use dselect |
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| 06:45.08 | epsilon | get sarge netinstall CD, it's way faster and cleaner |
| 06:45.10 | rue_house | to set an ftp source |
| 06:45.31 | rue_house | I had to get this thing up with floppies cause it wont boot off cds |
| 06:45.41 | wols_ | rue_house: answer the question please |
| 06:45.50 | rue_house | so I'd prefer to use what I have on it to crowbar it up |
| 06:45.52 | wols_ | what distro is it |
| 06:45.55 | rue_house | 2.2 |
| 06:46.02 | Guerin | rue_house: delete it and put in deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian oldstable main |
| 06:46.05 | rue_house | stable, dont remember the name |
| 06:46.07 | wols_ | no. IN YOUR FSCKING SOURCES.LIST |
| 06:46.09 | rue_house | ooo ok |
| 06:46.12 | wrabbit^ | only use the netinstall CD if you're prepared to have your bandwidth swallowed up whole. |
| 06:46.34 | wrabbit^ | I'm delaying the install until later tonight |
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| 06:48.17 | wols_ | Guerin: how long will oldstable woody be there? up unto etch release? |
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| 06:48.46 | rue_house | from what I see here oldstable did the trick |
| 06:48.48 | Guerin | wols_: yeah, six months after |
| 06:49.10 | rue_house | thanks |
| 06:49.18 | rue_house | time for me to burn new disks |
| 06:49.19 | wols_ | Guerin: oldstable WOODY? |
| 06:49.26 | rue_house | it would help if the old thing could boot off cd |
| 06:49.31 | Guerin | rue_house: once that's done and dusted, upgrade to stable |
| 06:49.38 | rue_house | yup |
| 06:49.45 | rue_house | thanks! |
| 06:49.58 | Guerin | wols_: yeah. one oldstable release, plus the oldoldstable release for six months after, IIRC |
| 06:50.22 | wols_ | ah, always thought oldstable = 1 month after release |
| 06:50.40 | Guerin | you might be right. I've been known to be wrong before. |
| 06:50.43 | Guerin | once or twice |
| 06:50.46 | Guerin | usually while drinking |
| 06:51.01 | wols_ | oops. 1 year |
| 06:51.06 | black_13 | change the mouse to in XF86Config-4 /dev/psaux |
| 06:51.14 | Guerin | i haven't been drinking today, but in fairness, I've slept about 12 hours in the last week. |
| 06:51.20 | wols_ | not month. I'm not drinking but my braing/fingers can't be trusted anyways |
| 06:51.28 | Guerin | black_13: no thanks, don't need to. |
| 06:52.06 | black_13 | is there something debian that makes its users nasty and ill tempered |
| 06:52.22 | Guerin | black_13: people whon expect support for knoppix, ubuntu, flash, java and vmware |
| 06:52.25 | wols_ | black_13: stupid people do |
| 06:52.35 | Guerin | wols_ was more succinct |
| 06:52.47 | liable | hehe, i like that question |
| 06:53.51 | Kassah | how do you specify gateways when you have multiple IPs with different gateways? |
| 06:54.03 | black_13 | i like debian i happy that i would the os for this embedded board but i know i was in for uphill battle if i came on here and asked questions |
| 06:54.07 | wols_ | Kassah: define "gateway" |
| 06:54.29 | Kassah | gateway to the internet... |
| 06:54.35 | Kassah | i.e. how it gets off the subnet |
| 06:54.35 | wols_ | Kassah: you can define gateways for certain networks via netmask and network in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:54.44 | wols_ | Kassah: there is only ONE of that: default gateway |
| 06:54.55 | wols_ | and all you need is in man interfaces |
| 06:55.07 | Kassah | well I kinda screwed up the box.... |
| 06:55.15 | Kassah | so I currently don't have access to debian man |
| 06:55.47 | Guerin | black_13: you wouldn't be if you weren't using vmware. |
| 06:55.52 | wols_ | Lamperi: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 |
| 06:56.04 | wols_ | grrr. Kassah: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 |
| 06:56.06 | black_13 | hey ill get vmware working |
| 06:56.12 | black_13 | Y |
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| 06:57.11 | Guerin | black_13: the problem is that debian doesn't work the same in vmware as out. If it was entirely transparent, no problem, but since we can't ever tell whether a fuckup is debian's fault, the user's fault or vmware's fault... |
| 06:57.15 | Kassah | wols_: this appears to be only for one interface |
| 06:57.23 | black_13 | what bothers me is as soone as i mention vmware |
| 06:57.29 | black_13 | its like i have genital herpes |
| 06:57.34 | wols_ | black_13: what's your host OS? If windows, ever looked into CoLinux and mingx? |
| 06:57.37 | Kassah | lemme show ya what I tried to do... |
| 06:58.06 | wols_ | Kassah: there is only one default gateway. you can't have more than one |
| 06:58.07 | black_13 | when i just wnat to ask a question about how recompile the kernel |
| 06:58.08 | Guerin | black_13: try taking your car in for a warranty service and arguing that it works just the same with your self-installed aftermarket turbocharger |
| 06:58.34 | wols_ | black_13: kernel is free software. tho usually we either give you a howto url or tell you to use a debian kernel |
| 06:58.35 | black_13 | i am asking hey how do change the oil |
| 06:58.48 | Kassah | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/203568 |
| 06:59.02 | netdaemon | wow, all this transparency is sexy |
| 06:59.17 | nvz | netdaemon: heh |
| 06:59.20 | Guerin | black_13: the analogy doesn't hold. We have no way of knowing what isn't working properly because of the emulation. |
| 06:59.27 | Kassah | ooo |
| 06:59.31 | streuner | Guerin: black_13> i like debian i happy that i would the os for this embedded board but i know i was in for uphill battle if i came on here and asked questions |
| 06:59.59 | netdaemon | well since no one is alive in #debian-amd64, maybe one of you gents can assist me in finding the linux amd64 ut2004 installer =)? |
| 07:00.06 | Kassah | wols_: yay... I'm totally an idiot... |
| 07:00.11 | Guerin | netdaemon: ask the vendor |
| 07:00.24 | Kassah | wols_: I've never been so happy to be an idiot |
| 07:00.26 | netdaemon | Guerin: the vendor has no usefull info at all |
| 07:00.30 | netdaemon | i'v looked all over the site |
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| 07:00.31 | wols_ | netdaemon: there is no Debian ut2k4 installer, not for any arch. ask epic |
| 07:00.32 | Guerin | jesus, is this ask-for-help-with-non-free-software-in-#debian day? |
| 07:00.46 | Guerin | netdaemon: that's terrible! You should complain. |
| 07:00.52 | streuner | Guerin: sunday |
| 07:00.53 | CHodapp | hey, can anyone help me get Flash working? |
| 07:00.57 | CHodapp | oh...sorry. |
| 07:00.57 | Guerin | FUCK |
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| 07:00.58 | wols_ | netdaemon: it's not in debian so how would we know where this installer is? we doN#t even know it exists! |
| 07:01.04 | netdaemon | Guerin: well at least they put the linux32 installer on the dvd... |
| 07:01.10 | streuner | Guerin: :-) |
| 07:01.11 | Guerin | CHodapp: i hope you were taking the piss |
| 07:01.18 | black_13 | Guerin heh heh |
| 07:01.19 | CHodapp | bah? |
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| 07:01.35 | netdaemon | wols_: it was just an inquiry on where one might find it, i don't expect it to be in debian :P |
| 07:01.50 | Guerin | netdaemon: ##linux might care |
| 07:02.12 | Guerin | netdaemon: or #nvidia or something that deals with 3d g4merd00d stuff |
| 07:02.28 | netdaemon | Guerin: my roomate bugged me to get it so :P |
| 07:02.47 | wols_ | netdaemon: if you don't even exepct it to be in debian, why are you asking #debian? |
| 07:02.49 | Guerin | but basically we're a bunch of curmudgeonly old geezers who prefer text interfaces which date back to the 1970s |
| 07:03.05 | niles | is there a keystroke to toggle between windows/apps within the same workspace ? |
| 07:03.25 | wols_ | niles: would depend on WM, vwm, etc you use |
| 07:03.28 | Guerin | niles: often alt-tab, but it varied by WM |
| 07:03.33 | netdaemon | wols_: since the room is well populated, i figured at leaste *some one* may have an answer, i mean i am looking to install it on debian |
| 07:03.40 | netdaemon | dosn't mean it has to be in apt :P |
| 07:04.06 | nvz | !ROOM |
| 07:04.07 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 07:04.08 | niles | ok thanx guys. alt-tab works good under gnome |
| 07:04.13 | Guerin | netdaemon: why do you keep sticking your virtual tongue out? |
| 07:04.15 | liable | i am not an old fart! |
| 07:04.33 | wols_ | liable: well sombies like you count as "old farts" |
| 07:04.34 | Guerin | liable: in the immortal words of Master Yoda: YOU WILL BE |
| 07:04.42 | wols_ | any other description would be worse, I'm afraid |
| 07:04.53 | liable | hah |
| 07:04.54 | wols_ | *zombies |
| 07:05.09 | netdaemon | well i didn't expect to get such a bad reception asking a simple question |
| 07:05.24 | Guerin | netdaemon: you asked at a bad time. |
| 07:05.36 | Guerin | netdaemon: this is not your fault; in fact, I blame black_13 |
| 07:06.20 | netdaemon | ah i see |
| 07:06.34 | wols_ | netdaemon: how o you know such a thing even exists? |
| 07:06.40 | wols_ | google seems to know squat about it |
| 07:06.43 | netdaemon | wols_: i run it on gentoo |
| 07:06.45 | black_13 | Guerin hey its all in good fun ok |
| 07:06.47 | Guerin | hm, evince is actually not shit |
| 07:06.50 | amee2k_ | how can i make gnuplot use "pi, 2pi, 3pi..." instead of "1, 2, 3, ..." as axis markings? |
| 07:06.57 | Guerin | !blame black_13 |
| 07:07.21 | black_13 | youre actually much better temppered than some of debianistas of a couple years ago |
| 07:07.34 | black_13 | i asked how to use apt-get and i was told to fuck myself |
| 07:07.45 | pelzi_ | well, no wonder |
| 07:07.46 | netdaemon | and i'm getting tired of waiting for compile times |
| 07:08.11 | pelzi_ | I RTFM'd how to use apt-get myself when I started out with debian. |
| 07:08.58 | nvz | pelzi_: you are suppose to be able to get yourself without apt-get |
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| 07:09.16 | liable | huh? |
| 07:09.23 | pelzi_ | heh-heh. |
| 07:09.24 | nvz | apt-get myself |
| 07:09.34 | pelzi_ | "how to use apt-get" |
| 07:09.41 | liable | oh, i see |
| 07:10.08 | ArrenLex | I did something weird with upgrading and downgrading packages and I broke the mechanism that cleans the /tmp folder at boot. As you can imagine it's getting quite messy in there. How do I get this functionality back? |
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| 07:10.28 | Trunks | anyone here |
| 07:10.33 | streuner | ArrenLex: give the right permissions to /tmp |
| 07:10.37 | pelzi_ | I guess it is part of init-scripts. |
| 07:10.42 | liable | ArrenLex: innitscripts package would look after that i would guess |
| 07:10.50 | nvz | Trunks: nobody in here |
| 07:10.54 | Trunks | lol |
| 07:10.57 | wols_ | ArrenLex: do you have /etc/init.d/bootclean ? |
| 07:10.58 | nvz | Trunks: turn the light back off |
| 07:10.58 | Trunks | ok ddumb ? |
| 07:11.04 | Trunks | anywho |
| 07:11.10 | streuner | ArrenLex: do you have problems booting the system? |
| 07:11.22 | ArrenLex | Yes. |
| 07:11.28 | wols_ | ArrenLex: and as that script says, /tmp must be world writable |
| 07:11.29 | ArrenLex | streuner: no, no problems booting. |
| 07:11.41 | Trunks | i was tryin to rar file with subfolder with in, read man but cant find right sswitch anyhelp |
| 07:11.42 | Trunks | ? |
| 07:11.44 | ArrenLex | drwxr-xr-x 58 alex root 155648 2006-10-04 00:57 tmp |
| 07:11.48 | ArrenLex | Is this "world writeable"? |
| 07:11.54 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# ls -ld /tmp |
| 07:11.54 | streuner | drwxrwxrwt 12 root root 4096 2006-10-15 09:02 /tmp |
| 07:11.57 | pelzi_ | nope |
| 07:12.03 | wols_ | /etc/init.d/mountall-bootclean.sh |
| 07:12.09 | liable | 0777 for /tmp innit? |
| 07:12.11 | wols_ | that's where it's called for me it seems |
| 07:12.23 | wols_ | liable: yes |
| 07:12.37 | Trunks | i was tryin to rar file with subfolder with in, read man but cant find right sswitch anyhelp |
| 07:12.38 | Trunks | ? |
| 07:12.39 | ArrenLex | So what's the magical command to fix the permissions on /tmp and make it all work again? |
| 07:12.54 | wols_ | chmod 777 /tmp |
| 07:13.00 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 07:13.00 | wols_ | and chown root.root /tmp |
| 07:13.02 | streuner | mand chmod and man chown |
| 07:13.06 | pelzi_ | and enable the sticky bit |
| 07:13.14 | pelzi_ | it's kind of important there |
| 07:13.15 | amee2k_ | Trunks: why do you want exactly a RAR archive? use tar.gz or something |
| 07:14.05 | ArrenLex | How do you enable the sticky bit? |
| 07:14.08 | Trunks | its what i want |
| 07:14.08 | liable | someone is cooking an awsome smelling roast |
| 07:14.13 | Trunks | so i can use anywhere\ |
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| 07:14.33 | wols_ | Trunks: when you can unpack rar, you can unpack tar.gz |
| 07:14.36 | pelzi_ | I guess it was chmod +s. not sure |
| 07:14.51 | wols_ | and: rar isn't usable anywhere, cause rar is very proprietary |
| 07:14.52 | ArrenLex | drwsrwsrwx 58 root root 155648 2006-10-04 00:57 tmp |
| 07:14.54 | ArrenLex | This good? |
| 07:14.56 | wols_ | zip can be used anywhere |
| 07:15.03 | amee2k_ | if you want ultimate compatibility use ZIP. rar is a major pita. if you want good compression use bz2 of gzip |
| 07:15.15 | wols_ | ArrenLex: look what streuner said. so no it's not good |
| 07:15.40 | streuner | ravenbird, tell ArrenLex about permissions |
| 07:18.23 | ArrenLex | drwxrwxrwt 58 root root 155648 2006-10-04 00:57 tmp |
| 07:18.27 | ArrenLex | This looks like what he said. |
| 07:18.34 | ArrenLex | All good? |
| 07:19.03 | amee2k_ | Q: how can i get gnuplot to use "pi, 2pi, 3pi..." instead of "1, 2, 3, ..." as axis markings? |
| 07:19.11 | Trunks | so anyone gonna hep with my rar prob |
| 07:19.18 | pelzi_ | probably not |
| 07:19.21 | streuner | ArrenLex: i cannot something wrong there |
| 07:19.25 | pelzi_ | rar is proprietary |
| 07:19.36 | ArrenLex | I think you missed a word. o_o |
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| 07:20.54 | wishkah | something went wrong during the installation of the ttf-opensymbol package and now I can't get rid of it (apt-get remove ttf-opensymbol -> ... "/usr/share/fonts": error scanning ... ERROR) |
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| 07:21.23 | wishkah | it's now trying to remove that package every time I run apt-get install, and fails |
| 07:21.35 | wishkah | subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 4 |
| 07:21.35 | pelzi_ | file a bug |
| 07:22.02 | wishkah | well, I wasn't sure if it is a bug or my stupidity |
| 07:22.44 | pelzi_ | a strategic exit 0 into the script will let you remove it. |
| 07:22.57 | Guerin | wishkah: if you want to fix it, fix the script - it lives in /var/lib/dpkg/info. If you can't fix it but need it to work, delete it. |
| 07:23.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:23.04 | Guerin | yeah, exit 0 works every time |
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| 07:23.39 | amee2k_ | Trunks: what makes you think rar doesn't also compress subdirectories? |
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| 07:24.00 | Guerin | Trunks: never use rar for anything, ever. |
| 07:24.09 | Guerin | Trunks: see? Problem solved. |
| 07:24.23 | keko_ | hi |
| 07:24.52 | keko_ | im thinking to install debian in my laptop whitch release you prefear ? |
| 07:25.03 | pelzi_ | I use unstable in my lappy |
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| 07:25.54 | keko_ | oulrait |
| 07:26.06 | Guerin | keko_: start with sarge if it's older than two years |
| 07:26.15 | Guerin | keko_: if newer, start with testing |
| 07:26.40 | Guerin | keko_: don't install unstable unless you feel like throwing your laptop off a 12th-floor balcony |
| 07:26.53 | amee2k_ | lol |
| 07:27.02 | pelzi_ | unstable works for me... |
| 07:27.09 | liable | for now.. |
| 07:27.18 | streuner | pelzi_: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 07:27.18 | wishkah | the problem is in "fc-config -f",that's a binary file and hence not so easy to "fix" :) |
| 07:27.40 | streuner | pelzi_: it could change very soon |
| 07:27.44 | Guerin | pelzi_: it works for me, too. But it doesn't work for everyone. |
| 07:27.44 | pelzi_ | it did break once during the great xorg mess. just look around before upgrading. |
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| 07:27.57 | streuner | don't tell people using unstable in a newbie-channel |
| 07:28.12 | liable | pelzi_: that assumes someone has reported an error before you upgrade |
| 07:28.21 | streuner | unstable is usually for DD's |
| 07:28.27 | netdaemon | o_O... |
| 07:28.28 | liable | and fools |
| 07:28.32 | netdaemon | testing runs fine for me |
| 07:28.34 | liable | like me :) |
| 07:28.43 | pelzi_ | testing had about 5 times more pain for me. |
| 07:28.49 | netdaemon | gentoo stable works like sid ;) |
| 07:28.54 | streuner | liable: most of us (regulars) using debian many years |
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| 07:29.40 | netdaemon | pelzi_: interesting indeed |
| 07:29.42 | wols_ | keko_: have you looked into ubuntu? |
| 07:30.02 | wols_ | for a notebook, it _might_ be better |
| 07:30.02 | keko_ | noo :d thats for africans |
| 07:30.09 | pelzi_ | not really |
| 07:30.24 | pelzi_ | debian had anything I wanted, and nothing more. |
| 07:30.25 | Guerin | keko_: your foreforeforeforeforefore...foreparents were africans! |
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| 07:30.30 | teledyn_ | does anyone know of any other projects that support atheros wifi chipsets? |
| 07:30.44 | Guerin | teledyn_: other than what? |
| 07:30.47 | liable | streuner: ya, if i look through the haze of my memory, i realise its been a while using debian :) |
| 07:30.48 | keko_ | haha |
| 07:30.51 | teledyn_ | Guerin: madwifi |
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| 07:31.05 | keko_ | sure ;) |
| 07:31.20 | liable | teledyn_: thats it. or ndiswrapper |
| 07:31.29 | liable | teledyn_: whats wrong with madwifi? |
| 07:31.39 | pelzi_ | madwifi is about the only choice. |
| 07:31.51 | teledyn_ | liable: i can't get dhcp leases with the new version of the driver |
| 07:32.07 | pelzi_ | and other traffic works? |
| 07:32.10 | liable | teledyn_: the debian src package or the svn? |
| 07:32.29 | liable | or cvs, or whatever they use.. |
| 07:32.34 | teledyn_ | liable: just the current relaese tar.gz |
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| 07:32.57 | streuner | teledyn_: most issues are usually the hardware and the DHCP client |
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| 07:33.09 | streuner | s/and/or/ |
| 07:33.09 | Guerin | don't use dhcp -> problem solved |
| 07:33.11 | liable | teledyn_: i had problems with it a while back, try another client (dhclient failed and dchp3client worked) |
| 07:33.24 | wols_ | Guerin: it'S wifi. dhcp is kinda neato there |
| 07:33.33 | Guerin | wols_: only if it works |
| 07:33.44 | wols_ | you have a point there :) |
| 07:33.44 | liable | well, not much choice with others ap's |
| 07:33.47 | teledyn_ | liable: aha. i've been using dhclient(3) which works with old version. can't understand why it would not work with newer one |
| 07:34.06 | wishkah | hey, i did "exit 0" before the call to "fc-cache -f", updated the fc-cache package, removed the exit 0 line and now the package is removed and fc-update runs fine, thansk guys |
| 07:34.09 | liable | teledyn_: why dont you try the debian source package? |
| 07:34.36 | streuner | teledyn_: how about "pump"? |
| 07:34.40 | teledyn_ | liable: is it diffferent? |
| 07:34.54 | liable | teledyn_: also try #madwifi, can be a bit slow, but a couple of the devs hang there |
| 07:35.36 | liable | teledyn_: it just makes sense. its apt-gettable, and is kept fairly up to date |
| 07:35.59 | liable | teledyn_: i have had very few issues with it |
| 07:36.11 | teledyn_ | liable: what dhcp client do you use? |
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| 07:36.22 | pelzi_ | even better would be to find another wifi if it isn't minipci |
| 07:36.24 | liable | teledyn_: dhcp3 |
| 07:36.32 | teledyn_ | i'm m-a a-iing it now... |
| 07:36.48 | pelzi_ | I have, and I use an orinoco |
| 07:36.52 | pelzi_ | it Just Works, etc. |
| 07:36.53 | liable | speaking of wireless, i wish they would pull there finger out and package ipw3945 |
| 07:37.03 | teledyn_ | Guerin: you should check it out. its cool. |
| 07:37.13 | teledyn_ | except support in linux sucks |
| 07:37.16 | pelzi_ | I had one too. |
| 07:37.20 | Guerin | well, I only have two boxen, so it seems a bit frivolous |
| 07:37.28 | Trunks | what does Recurse subdirectories mean |
| 07:37.30 | pelzi_ | it isn't |
| 07:37.35 | teledyn_ | Guerin: pick up your neighbors' |
| 07:37.37 | pelzi_ | a lappy is a pain with a wire |
| 07:37.40 | Guerin | i'd have to buy a wireless card for my desktop, and then it probably wouldn't work, etc |
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| 07:37.59 | pelzi_ | now I have a tp X22 and an orinoco card |
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| 07:38.01 | Guerin | as it is I have a 15m ethernet cable which i keep on tripping over, so that's cool |
| 07:38.07 | netdaemon | anyone use gnash? |
| 07:38.14 | Guerin | !anyone use gnash? |
| 07:38.14 | dpkg | No, no one uses gnash, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:38.25 | CHodapp | !anyone use cocaine? |
| 07:38.26 | dpkg | No, no one uses cocaine, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:38.31 | netdaemon | haha |
| 07:38.37 | netdaemon | its that bad eh? |
| 07:38.44 | CHodapp | it has issues. |
| 07:38.46 | Guerin | can you guess how many times per day we get asked? |
| 07:38.47 | teledyn_ | i can personally attest to the linksys WPC54Gv.2 card under ndiswrapper. works good. |
| 07:38.59 | netdaemon | Guerin: to many? |
| 07:39.03 | Guerin | teledyn_: ndiswrapper != good |
| 07:39.11 | pelzi_ | linksys changes chipsets like socks |
| 07:39.14 | Guerin | netdaemon: twoo |
| 07:39.21 | teledyn_ | Guerin: ndiswrapper == works :-( |
| 07:39.24 | pelzi_ | get a Ralink, they work and have gpl drivers |
| 07:39.30 | Guerin | fsvo works |
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| 07:39.58 | ma3x | !beer Guerin |
| 07:39.59 | teledyn_ | look at the kernel. no g cards supported. i think there's prism3 in it but it still requires firmware |
| 07:40.01 | streuner | ma3x: did you change to .fr? |
| 07:40.12 | ma3x | streuner: yeah, 2 months ago |
| 07:40.23 | Guerin | teledyn_: this is why wireless ain't ready for primetime |
| 07:40.23 | streuner | ma3x: where do you live? |
| 07:40.36 | ma3x | streuner: in the surrounding of paris |
| 07:40.41 | teledyn_ | Guerin: but ... ? |
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| 07:41.52 | streuner_ | ma3x: nice :-) |
| 07:42.15 | liable | the firmware issue is a problem, but its sorta out of the manufacturer/driver people hands, due to laws |
| 07:42.18 | teledyn_ | oh man. m-a a-i for madwifi doesn't work if you didn't debianize your kernel |
| 07:42.24 | ma3x | streuner_: yup ain't bad |
| 07:42.27 | wols_ | Guerin: in the future, hardware will need more and more downloadable firmware like wifi cards do right now I guess |
| 07:42.42 | wols_ | CPUs need firmware for a long time now |
| 07:42.51 | teledyn_ | it depends on the .deb matching the kernel tree version |
| 07:42.57 | pelzi_ | the Ralink has a GPL driver, works and has no firmware pains. |
| 07:43.00 | pelzi_ | why complain? |
| 07:43.38 | ma3x | why is aptitude trying to remove automatically some of the packages installed on my system: for example mysql-server (i need that); libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a |
| 07:43.39 | teledyn_ | pelzi_: i never heard of that brand. |
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| 07:43.46 | Guerin | wols_: eh? cpu firmware? which? |
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| 07:44.00 | wols_ | Guerin: any intel CPU since at least P3, but I think earlier |
| 07:44.00 | luge | anyone using strongswan? |
| 07:44.05 | wols_ | "microcode" it's called |
| 07:44.09 | pelzi_ | all CPUs have microcode |
| 07:44.13 | Guerin | wols_: oh, but it's in-kernel |
| 07:44.21 | wols_ | is it GPL? |
| 07:44.29 | Guerin | wols_: this is the 'globs' argument? |
| 07:44.46 | wols_ | globs? |
| 07:44.51 | teledyn_ | blobs, no? |
| 07:44.59 | Guerin | ok, probably |
| 07:45.15 | pelzi_ | you are probably using a closed source bios anyway |
| 07:45.30 | peterrus | wols_, not al cpu's have them i thought. risc processors havent. or am i wrong |
| 07:45.37 | netdaemon | ...BEER |
| 07:45.47 | peterrus | ...NONE |
| 07:45.53 | wols_ | peterrus: probably. but there is no RISC anymore :) |
| 07:45.55 | liable | the kernel has binary blobs in it? |
| 07:46.02 | peterrus | wols_, yes there is! |
| 07:46.11 | liable | the kernel has non gpl code in it? |
| 07:46.15 | peterrus | wols_, mips processors are mips i thought |
| 07:46.22 | peterrus | risc* |
| 07:46.25 | wols_ | ok, new ones perhaps |
| 07:46.29 | wols_ | PPC is RISC too |
| 07:46.46 | ma3x | is aptitude being logged? example, if I remove some packages, to know which were removed, later |
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| 07:46.51 | peterrus | ha |
| 07:46.51 | pelzi_ | a RISC can have microcode |
| 07:46.51 | wols_ | however, the more they're devleoped (RISCs) the more complicated they get... |
| 07:47.07 | pelzi_ | actually RISC should be called load-store. |
| 07:47.10 | liable | ma3x: /var/log/aptitude |
| 07:47.13 | wols_ | which means bugs, which means those bugs need fixing which means "microcode" |
| 07:47.25 | pelzi_ | modern RISCs have rather large instruction sets |
| 07:47.27 | peterrus | bugs in microcode is dangerous |
| 07:47.32 | Trewas | I read somewhere that PPC has nowadays more instructions than x86, doesn't sound very RISCy :) |
| 07:47.34 | wols_ | peterrus: by now there are no new strict RISCO (or CISC) CPUs anymore |
| 07:47.36 | peterrus | hehe |
| 07:47.37 | ma3x | liable: thanks |
| 07:47.45 | wols_ | e.g. x86 has long been converted to RISC internally |
| 07:47.49 | peterrus | wols_, okay, that right, but they are still used |
| 07:48.01 | peterrus | brb |
| 07:48.13 | pelzi_ | RISC just means load-store. |
| 07:48.23 | pelzi_ | nothing to do with instruction count |
| 07:48.28 | wols_ | Trewas: original PPC was IIRC: then came Altivec and it all went down the drain :) |
| 07:48.43 | wols_ | pelzi_: then better expand the acronym :) |
| 07:48.43 | pelzi_ | and yes. x86 processors are RISC with an instruction set translation system. |
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| 07:49.08 | ma3x | liable: why is aptitude trying to remove mysql-server automatically? |
| 07:49.28 | peterrus | ma3x, depends on what you where doing |
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| 07:49.48 | liable | ma3x: well.. due to depends/conflicts i guess |
| 07:51.37 | ma3x | I was doing an upgrade (g), but it says mysql-server was installed automatically; it is being removed because all of the packages which depend upon it are being removed: <nothing> |
| 07:53.00 | liable | whats the problem then? |
| 07:53.16 | ma3x | it's not due to conflicts because it has none specified. Just because I installed it as a dependency, it wants to remove it now |
| 07:53.23 | ma3x | and the other packages are not removed |
| 07:53.49 | liable | ma3x: paste the output from aptitude |
| 07:54.05 | ma3x | I mean you know, I didn't type apt-get install mysql-server, but maybe mysql-common-4.1 and it then installed mysql-server auto |
| 07:54.41 | Anarka | and you want to keep it ? then when aptitude asks you if you want to continue just type "+ mysql-server" |
| 07:54.50 | ma3x | liable: I can't, it's not in text mode |
| 07:54.58 | Anarka | oops :) |
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| 07:55.08 | liable | ma3x: upgrade in text mode and post it |
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| 07:55.27 | ma3x | Anarka: what's that oops? I can keep it, but I have to do that for a couple of packages every time |
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| 07:56.03 | pelzi_ | RISC = Reduced instrucion set computer. originally they had loading and storing separated from the other instructions, so there were less instructions. |
| 07:56.12 | liable | theres obviously been a change in a new package and the depends have changed, so its removing unneeded stuff |
| 07:56.21 | Lauren_ | Hi guys, how do I installl debian? |
| 07:56.36 | pelzi_ | these days they still use separate load-store but have more instructions for other things. |
| 07:57.08 | Lauren_ | i have to store instructions? |
| 07:57.30 | ma3x | liable: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4056 |
| 07:57.58 | Lauren_ | can anyone help me? I am sick of windows and spyware, i need to install Linux |
| 07:58.37 | liable | ma3x: it doesnt mention mysql |
| 07:58.38 | craigevil | !install |
| 07:58.38 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 07:58.55 | v-man-1 | Lauren_: just get Ubuntu, its easier |
| 07:59.09 | Lauren_ | what is difference between ubuntu and debian? |
| 07:59.12 | craigevil | how the heck can you say that |
| 07:59.16 | peterrus | biw |
| 07:59.45 | ma3x | liable: because I marked it + |
| 07:59.49 | liable | Lauren_: theres lots of docs at www.debian.org .. head on over and have a read |
| 08:00.00 | peterrus | beginners should use ubuntu, debian is to hard. even with docs |
| 08:00.10 | peterrus | and i know it |
| 08:00.11 | v-man-1 | yea its obvious Lauren_ is a new user |
| 08:00.16 | Lauren_ | is ubuntu also debian? |
| 08:00.16 | v-man-1 | stick with Ubuntu |
| 08:00.21 | ma3x | liable: but for example these two - libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a I don't know what they're for. Probably something for gtk, and it might be needed |
| 08:00.22 | peterrus | Lauren_, not really |
| 08:00.22 | liable | ma3x: that kinda doesnt help in trying to find out why it wants to be removed :P |
| 08:00.23 | v-man-1 | Ubuntu is like a better Debian |
| 08:00.33 | craigevil | sory i wouldnt recommend ubuntu to anyone |
| 08:00.33 | peterrus | Lauren_, it is a user friendly debian |
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| 08:00.39 | v-man-1 | well, a better Debian for you |
| 08:00.40 | peterrus | v-man-1, thats not true |
| 08:00.41 | Lauren_ | why not craig? |
| 08:00.53 | craigevil | if you want a newbie Debian use Kanotix , Knoppix or Mepis |
| 08:01.06 | peterrus | craigevil, thats a live cd |
| 08:01.10 | liable | ma3x: those libs have probably had there functionality taken over by something else, thus, they get removed |
| 08:01.12 | peterrus | okay mapis maybe |
| 08:01.12 | v-man-1 | craigevil: why not Ubuntu? |
| 08:01.21 | peterrus | ubuntu or mepis i would say |
| 08:01.29 | Lauren_ | wow, on the ubuntu website it says that its for human beings |
| 08:01.42 | peterrus | v-man-1, ubuntu is quite big, but has great support |
| 08:01.43 | craigevil | Ubuntu is just a pain, Ive tried it several times and had nothing but trouble |
| 08:01.44 | liable | v-man-1: um, why are you here? |
| 08:01.48 | teledyn | as opposed to us extraterrestrials ;-) |
| 08:01.55 | peterrus | craigevil, it did just owrk for me |
| 08:01.57 | v-man-1 | liable: I run Debian on the server, where it belongs |
| 08:02.07 | v-man-1 | liable: i'm quite happy with it |
| 08:02.16 | peterrus | everyone is hapy with debian |
| 08:02.23 | Lauren_ | so if I run desktop, debian is no good because it is too hard? |
| 08:02.27 | ma3x | liable: ok, but sometimes it has happened that it removed some useful packages, like cdrtools or something else |
| 08:02.35 | liable | not me, it could be better, and it is getting better |
| 08:02.36 | Anarka | where it belongs ?! debian works everywhere... and it's difficulty is a myth |
| 08:02.41 | Tallu | Hey umm, if I want to create an alias that switches the working directory, does a command, and then switches back, how would I make the current pwd a variable that i could switch back to |
| 08:02.41 | pelzi_ | I run debian on my lappy and it works fine, but it's not 'user-friendly' |
| 08:02.44 | peterrus | ubuntu is debian based, you will learn some debian stuff when using it. when you fully master it, try debian, thats what i would say |
| 08:02.47 | craigevil | Lauren_ download the nestinstall adn give it a try |
| 08:02.58 | liable | ma3x: yeah, but cdrtools would have been replaced by the fork |
| 08:03.02 | pelzi_ | Tallu: pushd |
| 08:03.05 | teledyn | isn't the main reason hardware support that people migrate? |
| 08:03.11 | liable | ma3x: really, you can trust it :) |
| 08:03.14 | peterrus | i would say so |
| 08:03.18 | Lauren_ | Why can't you get Firefox on debian? |
| 08:03.26 | ma3x | liable: ok, if I run into this problem again, I will tell you. but really I don't know why it wanted to remove mysql-server |
| 08:03.28 | peterrus | Lauren_, you can |
| 08:03.39 | teledyn | the average joe burns out trying to setup ndiswrapper or whatever, and hence uses another distro |
| 08:03.42 | craigevil | Lauren_ better yet download PCLinuxOS its user friendly and already has all the multimedia working |
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| 08:03.53 | peterrus | craigevil, ew |
| 08:04.00 | v-man-1 | PCLinuxOS horrible |
| 08:04.02 | peterrus | you wont learn anything from that |
| 08:04.05 | ma3x | liable: how can I tell aptitude in text mode to upgrade all packages, but libexscalibar1? |
| 08:04.14 | Lauren_ | so I can get rid of the debian internet explorer and use Firefox? |
| 08:04.20 | craigevil | its easier for a newbie than Ubuntu, plus all the multimedia works out of the box |
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| 08:04.24 | liable | ma3x: aptitude hold foo; aptitude upgrade |
| 08:04.32 | peterrus | Lauren_, there is no such debian internet explorer dude |
| 08:04.34 | ma3x | oki thanks |
| 08:04.50 | craigevil | Lauren_ try a few livecd first to get the feel for things |
| 08:04.54 | peterrus | Lauren_, firefox is standard |
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| 08:05.16 | Lauren_ | what do I use to navigate my computer? |
| 08:05.20 | pelzi_ | debian has hardly nothing as a default. the user is free to choose. |
| 08:05.26 | peterrus | Lauren_, indeed, try knoppix or gnooppix or something, or the ubuntu livecd off course (which is also the setup) and try linux |
| 08:05.36 | peterrus | Lauren_, nautilus possibly, thats standard |
| 08:05.37 | g00se | Running Sarge. Need apache2 mod_alias but it's not in apache2-common. What's my best strategy? |
| 08:05.47 | Lauren_ | can i run WoW on debian? |
| 08:05.50 | pelzi_ | backports? |
| 08:05.53 | peterrus | Lauren_, maybe |
| 08:06.00 | pelzi_ | look at cedega docs |
| 08:06.04 | Lauren_ | thats all I do, Uni and wow. |
| 08:06.05 | pelzi_ | it may be supported or not. |
| 08:06.09 | peterrus | Lauren_, you can use wine to play windows games, i heard wow was possible |
| 08:06.25 | g00se | pelzi: seems not to be in http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/a/ |
| 08:06.50 | ma3x | The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: |
| 08:06.50 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.57 | ma3x | liable: should i install them? |
| 08:07.09 | pelzi_ | Cedega supports WoW. |
| 08:07.20 | peterrus | Lauren_, don' t ask, just download or the ubuntu cd, or the knoppix cd, burn it. insert it, boot and try. that will answer most questions |
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| 08:07.51 | peterrus | Lauren_, the games will be of later concern, just learn yourself linux |
| 08:08.08 | Lauren_ | ok thanks alot |
| 08:08.18 | liable | ma3x: have a read of the apt-howto for the differences between dependancies, and recommended packages, then you can make up your own mind |
| 08:08.25 | Lauren_ | I'll download ubuntu then upgrade it to Debian after I am comfortable |
| 08:08.32 | g00se | pelzi: any other suggestions? |
| 08:08.34 | Lauren_ | is there an upgrade cd to upgrade to debian. |
| 08:09.09 | liable | ma3x: i personally have ever bothered to get the recommends |
| 08:09.37 | liable | s/ever/never/ |
| 08:09.40 | pelzi_ | nope. |
| 08:10.19 | teledyn | Lauren_: go read: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 08:10.29 | liable | Lauren_: no. you generally need to reinstall. but if you put your /home dir on a seperate partition, then its not much of a problem |
| 08:10.31 | ma3x | liable: ok thanks |
| 08:10.40 | ma3x | /etc/cron.daily/man-db: |
| 08:10.40 | ma3x | mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/sh.1 is a dangling symlink |
| 08:10.50 | ma3x | what should I do about that? should I remove the symlink? |
| 08:11.27 | liable | ignore it |
| 08:11.45 | ma3x | but I'll get it every day probably in the mail |
| 08:11.56 | ma3x | Cron <root@ma3x> test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 08:11.59 | liable | untill its fixed, yeah |
| 08:12.00 | peterrus | Lauren_, indeed, put your home folder on a different partition, the setup will guide you trgouh this, but first of all, backup al your windows stuff! really do that, and i know what i am talking about |
| 08:12.13 | ma3x | liable: or how do I fix it? |
| 08:12.33 | ma3x | liable: I mean it belongs to the bash package right? |
| 08:12.48 | ma3x | isn't it a good idea to check the bugs for bash? |
| 08:12.53 | ma3x | uhm nothing |
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| 08:16.43 | liable | !dbugs 392989 |
| 08:16.46 | dpkg | #392989:I[bash] Manpage missing in latest bash; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:18:11 UTC |
| 08:16.48 | liable | ma3x: ^^ |
| 08:17.30 | liable | just wait and ignore the warnings from cron |
| 08:17.39 | ma3x | thanks let me take a look |
| 08:19.02 | ma3x | liable: I tried querybts bash , and I tried to filter with 'symlink' but nothing found. How can I find it better next time? |
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| 08:19.21 | liable | ma3x: i just use the web iface |
| 08:20.12 | ma3x | http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=+group%3Alinux.debian.bugs.dist ? |
| 08:20.19 | liable | ma3x: try filtering for manpage though |
| 08:20.29 | ma3x | yeah that will work, it's the title :) |
| 08:20.34 | liable | ma3x: bugs.debian.org |
| 08:21.20 | ma3x | ok thanks |
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| 08:21.27 | ma3x | channel is falling asleep |
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| 08:25.54 | frederick85 | I get a runtime error when I try to assign a value to a global boolean and it says Segmentation Fault |
| 08:26.55 | pelzi_ | then it can't be a global boolean, but a pointer |
| 08:27.17 | pelzi_ | telling which language it is would help... |
| 08:27.23 | frederick85 | I didn't make it a pointer though, C |
| 08:27.35 | pelzi_ | C has no booleans |
| 08:27.42 | frederick85 | <stdbool.h> |
| 08:27.42 | pelzi_ | it uses ints |
| 08:28.03 | pelzi_ | hmm. |
| 08:28.53 | frederick85 | If you are a c guru can I tell you my problem in detail |
| 08:29.05 | pelzi_ | not a guru but go ahead |
| 08:29.08 | ma3x | c guru, sounds interesting |
| 08:29.23 | dondelelcaro | frederick85: ##c is really the place to ask |
| 08:30.01 | frederick85 | dondelelcaro: ok i'll try it but if it doesn't work i'm coming back here |
| 08:30.30 | peterrus | siguru |
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| 08:32.58 | frederick85 | if you are interested in my problem you can read about it on this forum https://secure.csse.uwa.edu.au/run/help1210?show=y&a=1320 |
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| 08:35.21 | pelzi_ | then it is not the assignment if it prints both statements |
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| 08:35.39 | dondelelcaro | frederick85: it'd help if you actually put up your program... also, there's nothing stoping you from running the program under the debugger or backtracing the coredump |
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| 08:35.47 | pelzi_ | amen. |
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| 08:40.52 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I don't have my |
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| 08:42.31 | O2 | hello |
| 08:43.04 | O2 | did debian has hardware-plug-and-play function? |
| 08:43.35 | O2 | I know ubuntu do. |
| 08:43.37 | ma3x | why does cfdisk show the partition 80 gig and df 72 ? |
| 08:45.16 | Guerin | ma3x: because 1GB is not 1GiB |
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| 08:46.05 | ma3x | Guerin: im lost |
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| 08:46.35 | Guerin | ma3x: look around. Do you see a street sign? |
| 08:46.42 | pelzi_ | nah. |
| 08:46.52 | pelzi_ | it is probably the reserved blocks |
| 08:47.06 | pelzi_ | if it is 80g, 10% is 8g leaving 72. |
| 08:47.20 | Guerin | nope |
| 08:47.21 | ma3x | hm, let me put it to 0 |
| 08:47.48 | Guerin | it's because a GB to a hardware manufacturer is 1000MB, whereas to df it's 1024MB |
| 08:47.54 | pelzi_ | nope. |
| 08:48.03 | pelzi_ | fdisk uses powers of 2 |
| 08:48.17 | Guerin | and a MB to a hardware manufacturer is 1000KB, while to df it is 1024KB |
| 08:48.36 | pelzi_ | and he talked about fdisk |
| 08:48.38 | Guerin | well, I can tell you for damn sure that a HDD which says 80G actually isn't |
| 08:48.42 | ma3x | Guerin: ok I understand that. |
| 08:48.44 | pelzi_ | well I know that too |
| 08:48.51 | pelzi_ | did you hear the word FDISK? |
| 08:48.58 | Guerin | pelzi_: yeah. |
| 08:48.59 | ma3x | yes |
| 08:49.01 | ma3x | whta about it |
| 08:49.27 | pelzi_ | afaik fdisk does not use power of 10-units. |
| 08:49.28 | Guerin | pelzi_: the default amoutn of spare blocks is 5%, so actually that probably adds up |
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| 08:49.32 | ma3x | blocks with fdisk 78180291 |
| 08:49.45 | teledyn | i'm curious, why is that? isn't the classical metric demarcation based on 1000? why use 1024? |
| 08:49.56 | pelzi_ | because 1024 is a power of 2 |
| 08:49.59 | wols_ | pelzi_: cfdisk doesn't have "reserved space", only filesystems do |
| 08:50.10 | pelzi_ | well df looks at the filesystem! |
| 08:50.17 | Guerin | Disk /dev/hdb: 120.0 GB, 120060444672 bytes |
| 08:50.23 | pelzi_ | what is wrong with you all... look at what the guy asked |
| 08:50.23 | Guerin | looks like it does to me |
| 08:50.27 | teledyn | pelzi_: but so what? |
| 08:50.46 | Guerin | teledyn: powers of 2 are mathematically simple |
| 08:50.52 | Guerin | teledyn: other powers are less so |
| 08:50.56 | pelzi_ | well if have 8 bits the maximum range is 1024 |
| 08:51.00 | pelzi_ | +you |
| 08:51.14 | pelzi_ | if you used 1000, you would waste some of that range. |
| 08:51.25 | teledyn | the space is still all there, regardless |
| 08:51.25 | teledyn | ah maybe i know why |
| 08:51.26 | ma3x | I'm trying to resize the filesystem exactly for 2 gigabytes. but as I don't know the current size I can't minus 2000MB |
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| 08:51.42 | teledyn | because of how many bytes it takes to actually store the numbers for the size |
| 08:51.47 | ma3x | because the current size of the partition for fdisk or df is not the same for resize2fs |
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| 08:52.03 | pelzi_ | teledyn: exactly |
| 08:52.24 | pelzi_ | the offsets are in bits and their capacities are powers of 2 |
| 08:52.39 | teledyn | too bad though, they could have given it a different name, |
| 08:53.02 | teledyn | maybe gigabynes or something |
| 08:53.28 | ma3x | I am in parted and it displays this Disk /dev/sdb: 80.1GB |
| 08:53.47 | ma3x | now is that 1024 blocksize? |
| 08:53.54 | teledyn | those are Gigabynes, not Gibabytes ;-) |
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| 08:54.07 | pelzi_ | well, there is very little confusion really. only hard drives use powers of 10 to measure bits or bytes |
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| 08:54.45 | liable | clear as mud! |
| 08:55.04 | HNT | Hello everyobdy, can you explain me why the name of thunderbird change to icedov (on the apt) how can i get back the soft with his original name (without downgrading) |
| 08:55.04 | Guerin | ma3x: fdisk -l will tell you the exact number of bytes, as I told you about 12 hours ago |
| 08:55.33 | liable | HNT: it did? |
| 08:55.34 | teledyn | ma3x: try fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 08:55.40 | HNT | yes |
| 08:55.40 | ma3x | Guerin: Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80060424192 bytes |
| 08:55.48 | Guerin | HNT: mozilla trademarking issues. firefox -> iceweasel; thunderbird -> icedove |
| 08:55.53 | HNT | I was surprise after an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:55.55 | xingu | folk in telecoms tend to use 10base measurement units too but that's because we count framing overheads too. :) |
| 08:56.24 | HNT | ok |
| 08:56.36 | wols_ | !iceweasel |
| 08:56.37 | dpkg | iceweasel is probably due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 08:56.51 | wols_ | HNT: applies to thunderbird too |
| 08:57.18 | ma3x | and how do I measure the blocks? |
| 08:57.20 | craigevil | icedove is already in unstable repos |
| 08:57.29 | liable | hrm, why doesnt it remove thunderbird? |
| 08:57.47 | craigevil | yes it removes thunderbird, but keeps all your preferences |
| 08:58.15 | wols_ | would it be possible to have a "thunderbird" package which simply redirects to icedove? |
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| 08:58.16 | Guerin | ma3x: with a block ruler |
| 08:58.17 | liable | craigevil: doesnt remove thunderbird here |
| 08:58.26 | wols_ | or would that violate the trademark too? |
| 08:58.28 | craigevil | it did for me, it asked |
| 08:58.29 | Guerin | wols_: yes, I believe that is what is happening |
| 08:58.38 | liable | well, not yet, still installing.. |
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| 09:00.22 | liable | eh, thunderbird is being upgraded and icedove installed? |
| 09:00.43 | liable | oh, TB looks like a meat package |
| 09:00.49 | liable | meta.. |
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| 09:01.16 | xingu | meat package? that'll upset the vegans |
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| 09:01.51 | ma3x | Guerin: if the drive is 19545072 blocks (resize2fs output) then how many bytes is it exactly? do you multiply it? |
| 09:02.03 | tziku | hello, i'm trying to use squirrelmail but i have this problem: Error connecting to IMAP server: localhost. |
| 09:02.11 | craigevil | liable really, it removed thunderbird on my system |
| 09:02.19 | tziku | what shoult i install ? |
| 09:02.20 | wols_ | ma3x: 1024 |
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| 09:02.40 | liable | craigevil: i believe you :) just giving a running commentry |
| 09:02.42 | wols_ | tziku: a imap server. usually dovecot or courier-imap |
| 09:02.56 | tziku | wols_ if i install courier-imap i have another problem: ERROR : Connection dropped by imap-server. |
| 09:03.07 | pelzi_ | well configure it... |
| 09:03.07 | liable | hrm, mesa upgrade, lets see if it breaks fglrx |
| 09:03.12 | wols_ | tziku: cause you haven't configured courier properly |
| 09:03.14 | craigevil | liable: it updated TB on yours? are you running Sid? |
| 09:03.16 | pelzi_ | I found dovecot nicer though. |
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| 09:03.36 | liable | craigevil: see me next comment, looks like a meta package.. |
| 09:03.45 | wols_ | tziku: and if you do use dovecot, do NOT use mbox mail files. it's just not suitable for imap |
| 09:03.47 | tziku | wols_ where is the courier config file ? |
| 09:03.50 | liable | 26KB |
| 09:03.56 | craigevil | weird that it removed TB on mine, icedove works just fine |
| 09:04.06 | wols_ | tziku: read the docs for courier. there is no config file you need to change |
| 09:04.23 | wols_ | tziku: man maildirmake |
| 09:04.23 | tziku | No manual entry for courier |
| 09:04.27 | tziku | No manual entry for courier-imap |
| 09:04.29 | filip | hmm, is there a tool to set bad blocks on a live ext2/ext3 filesystem? |
| 09:04.30 | wols_ | and also you need to configure your MTA for it |
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| 09:04.48 | liable | filip: e2fsck -c iirc |
| 09:04.48 | wols_ | filip: badblocks |
| 09:04.55 | O2 | hello, could I use debian's software directly in knoppix? |
| 09:04.56 | wols_ | liable: not on a live one |
| 09:05.06 | wols_ | O2: ask #knoppix. we don't know |
| 09:05.12 | pelzi_ | doing stuff like that on a live fs is crazy |
| 09:05.14 | filip | aah, fsck ;) |
| 09:05.15 | filip | thanks |
| 09:05.20 | liable | wols_: oh, running badblocks on a live fs is good? |
| 09:05.23 | O2 | ok |
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| 09:05.30 | liable | missed the live reference.. |
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| 09:05.39 | wols_ | liable: setting them bad sorta is.... for very small levels of sorta |
| 09:05.57 | pelzi_ | what is the point of that anyway? |
| 09:05.59 | wols_ | cause with badblocks you can do stuff manually IIRC, fsck does a full sweep leading to bad things(tm) |
| 09:06.13 | pelzi_ | if you have bad blocks the disk is already Blowm(tm) |
| 09:06.17 | pelzi_ | n. |
| 09:06.24 | wols_ | pelzi_: that's another thing yes |
| 09:06.27 | Guerin | ma3x: how big is a block? multiply the number of blocks by the size of a block and you have your answer |
| 09:06.36 | wols_ | tho, if it's a really old small one, you have a chance |
| 09:06.38 | Guerin | or divide, I forget whch you were trying to find |
| 09:06.48 | ma3x | wols_: so if the hard drive is 80 gigabytes, and if resize2fs says its maximum blocks are 19545072, then those blocks must be 4k, right? |
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| 09:07.13 | ma3x | Guerin: I think for resize2fs one block is 4k |
| 09:07.32 | wols_ | ma3x: yes in this case I guess |
| 09:07.44 | wols_ | ma3x: man mkfs.ext2 |
| 09:07.48 | Guerin | ma3x: if that's so, then divide 19545072 by 4096 to find the number of blocks |
| 09:07.54 | Guerin | ma3x: note: IF that's so |
| 09:08.15 | wols_ | Guerin: 80GB through 4k |
| 09:08.32 | Guerin | oh, duh |
| 09:08.34 | Guerin | i see |
| 09:08.34 | ma3x | Guerin: 19545072 is the number of blocks, so I multiplied that with 4k and I got 78180288000. is that perfect for a 80 gigabytes drive with no reserved space? |
| 09:08.39 | Guerin | I got the wrong end |
| 09:09.17 | wols_ | ma3x: sounds about right |
| 09:09.17 | wols_ | the blocks size should be a power of 2 |
| 09:09.26 | Guerin | ma3x: is that what size fdisk -l gives for the drive, in bytes? |
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| 09:09.45 | ma3x | 78180291 |
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| 09:09.58 | Guerin | pretty damn close |
| 09:10.08 | Guerin | i'd go with that |
| 09:10.26 | Guerin | ignoring the number of extraneous zeroes |
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| 09:11.25 | ma3x | so now the filesystem uses 1024 bytes per block right? |
| 09:12.13 | ma3x | I mean it matters what? you have 78 gigabytes for storage or less? |
| 09:12.35 | wols_ | you don't have 78GB |
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| 09:12.46 | Jungleland | Good morning(?) :) |
| 09:12.52 | ma3x | wols_: but how much |
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| 09:13.09 | pelzi_ | your drive is about 1000/1024 * 80GB. |
| 09:13.13 | Jungleland | Semi-debian related i guess, but i am looking for a WYSIWGY HTML-editor with SFTP-support? |
| 09:13.21 | pelzi_ | when talking about power-of-2 gigs. |
| 09:13.24 | wols_ | Disk /dev/hda: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes |
| 09:13.34 | wols_ | three is a line like this from fdisk -l |
| 09:13.39 | wols_ | what does it say in your case? |
| 09:13.56 | pelzi_ | or, hmm. 1000/1024 might not be correct |
| 09:14.11 | ma3x | wols_: Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80060424192 bytes |
| 09:14.36 | wols_ | that's how many bytes you have, period |
| 09:14.54 | wols_ | now divide through 1024*1024*1024 and you know how many real GB |
| 09:15.21 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 09:16.00 | liable | Jungleland: nvu, dunno about the sftp though |
| 09:16.18 | ma3x | wols 74.5 |
| 09:16.25 | craigevil | jungleland NVU can publish to an ftp site not sure about sftp |
| 09:16.31 | wols_ | ma3x: why would I care about your disksizes? |
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| 09:16.40 | ma3x | wols_: just kiddin :p |
| 09:16.50 | ma3x | wols_: cause it's a little bigger than yours :p |
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| 09:17.17 | wols_ | ma3x: that's cause you answered to more penis enlargement spams |
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| 09:17.43 | ma3x | wols_: I even subscribed your email address and sent you a toy |
| 09:17.53 | Deimos__ | on my laptop toshiba, the server x couldn't start because i've no mouse, juste the "touchpad" of my laptop ... with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, which port i must choose ? /dev/psaux ? |
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| 09:18.03 | Jungleland | craigevil: Nah, no sftp in nvu unfortunately. |
| 09:18.29 | craigevil | jungleland checkout quanta plus, i just checked and it asks for a key to upload |
| 09:18.33 | pelzi_ | Deimos__: probably it is not an ordinary mouse, but a synaptics touchpad. |
| 09:18.46 | Jungleland | craigevil: Quanta isnt WYSIWYG afaik? |
| 09:18.51 | mosty | i'm having trouble with lilo. /boot is software raid1, / is encrypted on top of raid1. when i run lilo -v 5, it hangs at "lookup_dev: number=FD00" |
| 09:18.54 | Deimos__ | pelzi_, yes |
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| 09:19.05 | pelzi_ | mosty: use grub. |
| 09:19.26 | mosty | pelzi_, i don't know how to use grub with raid1 |
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| 09:19.53 | pelzi_ | Deimos__: there should be an entry about a touchpad in the config. replace the mouse entry with that. |
| 09:19.58 | ma3x | if I understand correctly - disk manufacturers calculate it with 1000 and filesystems work with 1024, right? |
| 09:20.02 | pelzi_ | mosty: well it is possible, and lilo is a pain |
| 09:20.09 | pelzi_ | ma3x: yes, for the nth time |
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| 09:20.18 | tziku | what is: 15 root 15 -10 0 0 0 R 99.9 0.0 813:59.31 kacpid |
| 09:20.19 | tziku | ? |
| 09:20.29 | pelzi_ | it is the kernel acpi thread |
| 09:20.30 | O2 | hello, how can I configure networking please? |
| 09:20.34 | tziku | is using 99% of my processor for about 5 days... |
| 09:20.38 | mosty | pelzi_, i tried grub, but when i rebooted, it still used lilo. so i must not have installed grub properly. what are the steps? |
| 09:20.52 | mosty | o2: man interfaces |
| 09:20.55 | pelzi_ | mosty: grub-install /dev/hda or whatever. |
| 09:20.56 | dimi3 | O2: you have /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 09:21.15 | mosty | pelzi: is /dev/hda root or /boot ? |
| 09:21.33 | pelzi_ | it's the disk where you want to install it, not a partition. |
| 09:21.34 | wols_ | mosty: install grub to your MBR |
| 09:21.50 | pelzi_ | it will copy the necessary stuff to /boot automatically if it is mounted |
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| 09:22.20 | mosty | wols: the MBR on which partition? (i'm using software raid1) |
| 09:22.28 | mosty | er, MBR on which disk, rather |
| 09:22.29 | pelzi_ | the MBR on the disk |
| 09:22.36 | mosty | there are two disks |
| 09:22.46 | pelzi_ | well, the disk where the machine boots on |
| 09:23.06 | O2 | in kde, how to configure network? |
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| 09:23.33 | Jungleland | craigevil: Oh, i just found a WYSIWYG with SFTP: Dreamweaver *sigh* :=) |
| 09:24.20 | tziku | Can somebody help me? kacpid is using 99,9% of my 4 x Intel Xenon 2.2Ghz...Is not to much ? Is save to kill ? What is doing this process ? |
| 09:24.24 | mosty | pelzi: i did "grub-install /dev/sda", but when i look at /dev/sda in a hex editor, it still shows the lilo stuff |
| 09:24.44 | pelzi_ | did the grub-install finish |
| 09:24.44 | O2 | how to configure network pls? |
| 09:24.53 | Deimos__ | pelzi_, well with my mouse usb and the device /dev/input/mice, xdm start, but ... i can't use my synaptics touchpad ? |
| 09:24.55 | epsilon | tziku: a server? |
| 09:25.04 | mosty | pelzi_, yes, it printed a bunch of mappings like hd0 to sda |
| 09:25.13 | tziku | epsilon yeah |
| 09:25.14 | epsilon | if it#s running 24/7, you don't need acpi stuff |
| 09:25.20 | pelzi_ | then try grub-install '(hd0)' |
| 09:25.22 | craigevil | O2 try kcontrol>internet network>Network settings |
| 09:25.29 | pelzi_ | you do need acpi. |
| 09:25.51 | epsilon | for what, if the mashine is up all time? |
| 09:25.53 | pelzi_ | it's a kernel bug or a hardware bug. |
| 09:26.03 | pelzi_ | for configuration of PCI and many other things |
| 09:26.09 | tziku | epsilon the server have 25 days uptime and for about 5days i have the "kacpid" problem |
| 09:26.29 | pelzi_ | APM is useless, acpi is not |
| 09:26.42 | O2 | craigevil: mine hasn't 'Network settings" item |
| 09:26.55 | tziku | epsilon the machine is an network server... |
| 09:27.13 | craigevil | )2 what version of KDE is on your system? |
| 09:27.27 | O2 | 3.3 |
| 09:27.45 | tziku | O2: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:28.14 | O2 | but how |
| 09:28.19 | epsilon | gah! sry I misunderstood with power management stuff |
| 09:28.35 | mosty | pelzi_, i tried that, same result. in the hex editor i can see lilo's stuff first, and grub stuff after it |
| 09:28.42 | mosty | o2: use a text editor |
| 09:28.50 | tziku | O2 use a text editor end edit: /etc/network/interfaces , for example: pico /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:28.55 | pelzi_ | mosty: well, try it. |
| 09:29.31 | mosty | pelzi_, won't it just boot lilo though? it takes me 15 minutes to chroot back in if it fails |
| 09:29.44 | pelzi_ | well, can't be sure. |
| 09:29.49 | O2 | ok, I opened it |
| 09:29.52 | tziku | epsilon:www:/etc/network# kill -9 15 |
| 09:29.52 | tziku | www:/etc/network# ps aux |grep kacpid |
| 09:29.52 | tziku | root 15 2.2 0.0 0 0 ? R< Sep19 823:29 [kacpid] |
| 09:30.18 | pelzi_ | you can't kill a part of the kernel |
| 09:30.21 | O2 | what to write to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 09:30.46 | craigevil | o2 go read> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 09:30.46 | O2 | tziku: what to write to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 09:30.47 | wols_ | O2: man interfaces |
| 09:30.57 | wols_ | as someone already told you |
| 09:31.10 | mosty | pelzi_, and if i run "lilo -U -v 5" (ie to uninstall) it hangs at the same place as running lilo normally |
| 09:31.15 | wols_ | O2: however, only if you have your driver for your card already loaded |
| 09:31.34 | wols_ | mosty: you don't uninstall bootloaders. you overwrite them |
| 09:31.52 | O2 | sorry, i am new to debian |
| 09:32.11 | wols_ | what has that to do with anything? |
| 09:32.23 | mosty | wols_, but grub doesn't seem to want to, when i look with od, lilo is at the start, then grub |
| 09:32.27 | wols_ | O2: what is your network card, what's your kernel version? |
| 09:32.37 | wols_ | mosty: what is "od"? |
| 09:32.39 | tziku | O2: something like in here: http://195.178.110.130/O2 |
| 09:33.01 | mosty | wols: i think it stands for "octal dump", it's a command line hex viewer |
| 09:33.08 | wols_ | tziku: won't help a bit without you knowing what his network device is or if he has a driver for it loaded at all |
| 09:33.20 | wols_ | mosty: what are you dumping? |
| 09:33.28 | O2 | I don't know |
| 09:33.37 | mosty | wols: /dev/sda (one of the two disks in my raid1 array) |
| 09:33.50 | wols_ | tziku: not to mention there is at least one error in that paste |
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| 09:34.08 | tziku | bc ? |
| 09:34.09 | enouf | mosty : it shouldn't matter - I recall the same thing |
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| 09:34.28 | Thunder00 | what's the latest kernel package for debian stable ? |
| 09:34.39 | wols_ | mosty: only the first 200h bytes are from grub btw |
| 09:34.40 | O2 | tziku, i don't know |
| 09:34.46 | wols_ | tziku: 2.6.8-3 |
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| 09:35.19 | fasta | How can I play Realmedia or Quicktime media in Firefox? |
| 09:35.28 | enouf | mosty: however, I don't know your exact issue ... non-bootable raid array? |
| 09:35.41 | wols_ | O2: uname -a is your kernel version. lspci|grep -i netwrok should be your network controllre |
| 09:35.59 | wols_ | !debian-multimedia |
| 09:35.59 | dpkg | i guess marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 09:36.22 | wols_ | grep -i network |
| 09:36.27 | mosty | enouf: i have /boot on software raid1 (sda1 and sdb1), and an initramfs image which mounts an encrypted root fs. in knoppix, i can chroot into the system and run lilo- which works. however when i boot into the system, lilo hangs |
| 09:36.43 | O2 | uname: Linux |
| 09:36.47 | O2 | no version |
| 09:36.52 | O2 | uname -a |
| 09:36.54 | wols_ | uname -a |
| 09:37.05 | wols_ | O2: are you running debian? |
| 09:37.16 | mosty | enouf, i mean, when i run lilo from within the system (like when udev is upgraded for example), lilo hangs, and fails to boot next time |
| 09:37.18 | O2 | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 09:37.50 | wols_ | O2: paste the output of lspic somewhere |
| 09:37.53 | wols_ | !paste |
| 09:37.53 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 09:38.01 | wols_ | lspci |
| 09:38.08 | Thunder00 | 2.6.8-12 <-- is this the latest kernel version for debian stable ? |
| 09:38.14 | O2 | yes, on the desktop computer. but I am using windows on my laptop now |
| 09:38.22 | wols_ | Thunder00: I already told you. scroll up |
| 09:38.27 | craigevil | lspic? |
| 09:38.57 | craigevil | bash: lspic: command not found |
| 09:39.09 | wols_ | !cookie craigevil |
| 09:39.09 | pelzi_ | lspci |
| 09:39.15 | liable | install pciutils |
| 09:39.20 | O2 | what's lspic? |
| 09:39.26 | wols_ | O2: lspci |
| 09:39.29 | pelzi_ | it is a bloody typo |
| 09:39.30 | craigevil | ah thats better lol |
| 09:39.50 | wols_ | O2: and if it's not found, do as liable said |
| 09:39.52 | Guerin | it's like aspic |
| 09:39.59 | O2 | I am running debian on the desktop |
| 09:39.59 | Guerin | except more l |
| 09:40.01 | wols_ | or find out another way what ethernet card you have |
| 09:40.20 | wols_ | Guerin: yucky stuff |
| 09:40.25 | enouf | mosty: don't know much about LiLo - but lilo resides within certain actual blocks on the HDD (physical location) .. so if you moved stuff at all .. you need to find the exact location where it exists/existed and point to it ...sorry - I use Grub and bootloaders are (can be) tricky |
| 09:40.33 | craigevil | O2 do you have kinfo on your system |
| 09:40.45 | Guerin | wols_: yes. |
| 09:40.53 | O2 | it says pciutils is already the newest version! |
| 09:41.04 | wols_ | O2: then run lspci dammit! |
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| 09:41.38 | mosty | enouf/wols_: woohoo, it worked. i zero'd out the lilo stuff with dd, then reinstalled grub, and it's booting ok now |
| 09:41.44 | O2 | craigevil, what's kinfo |
| 09:42.09 | O2 | I wonder if there's a way to solve the problem |
| 09:42.12 | craigevil | O2 just open a terminal.konsole and type lspci |
| 09:42.19 | Guerin | every problem is solvable |
| 09:42.25 | Guerin | given enough time, beer and KY |
| 09:42.27 | O2 | I did |
| 09:42.30 | O2 | craigevil, I did it |
| 09:42.38 | craigevil | paste it |
| 09:42.40 | craigevil | !paste |
| 09:42.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 09:42.49 | wols_ | Guerin: read more Einstein. especially the quote about infinity, universe and that stuff |
| 09:42.58 | Thunder00 | wols_: I want to download the latest kernel via apt-get .... my current is 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 09:43.11 | wols_ | Thunder00: 2.6.8-3 |
| 09:43.12 | fasta | wols_: What package do I need specifically? |
| 09:43.42 | wols_ | fasta: no clue, but if it's not there, I doubt you can get it as .deb |
| 09:43.52 | O2 | there's eth0, but how to let it receive dhcp ? |
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| 09:44.07 | wols_ | O2: man interfaces |
| 09:44.52 | craigevil | fasta apt-get win32codecs after adding the debian-multimedia repo |
| 09:44.57 | O2 | craigevil: my desktop's networking is not working now, I am chatting through my laptop |
| 09:45.06 | fasta | craigevil: I already have those. |
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| 09:45.25 | pelzi_ | O2: dhclient eth0. then configure interfaces |
| 09:45.33 | fasta | craigevil: I asked a specific question. |
| 09:45.44 | wols_ | !tell fasta about search |
| 09:45.51 | wols_ | and now dpkg gave you a specific answer |
| 09:45.55 | craigevil | fasta: install mplayer and mplayer-plugin |
| 09:46.05 | O2 | when I use telnet, it says: failure in name resolution! |
| 09:46.08 | wols_ | there is a ffox plugin package for mplayer iirc |
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| 09:46.18 | wols_ | O2: that's your dns server |
| 09:46.22 | wols_ | man resolv.conf |
| 09:46.33 | wols_ | set the proper nameserver there |
| 09:46.36 | pelzi_ | not necessarily |
| 09:46.39 | fasta | craigevil: It's called mozilla-mplayer nowadays. |
| 09:46.46 | craigevil | yeah thats it |
| 09:46.48 | fasta | craigevil: thanks, it helped :) |
| 09:47.46 | enouf | mosty: cool .. be sure you know how grub works .. :-) make backups :-) ... stage1/1.5 exists with the 1st 1024bytes (512MBR + 1 sector directly after) and is non-FS nor OS aware, yet stage2 resides anywhere throughout the 1st 30k (IIRC) and is respponsible for handing control over to the kernel -- see http://grub.enbug.org/ and http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm (bookmark) |
| 09:48.00 | craigevil | fasta: you might also want to install mozplugger as well |
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| 09:48.37 | enouf | s/with/within |
| 09:48.54 | O2 | pelzi_: dhclient eth0 success, but I still couldn't browse the website |
| 09:49.03 | keko_ | hey, i just install basic debian in my laptop.. how i can setup my wireless up :p |
| 09:49.18 | O2 | I can't even ping my laptop in the same LAN |
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| 09:49.59 | pelzi_ | then it is not working. |
| 09:50.02 | O2 | pelzi_: how to configure the DNS ? |
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| 09:50.14 | pelzi_ | /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 09:51.41 | O2 | pelzi_: dhclient says the DHCP is 10.0.0.178. it means dhcp is working |
| 09:52.23 | tziku | kacpid eating cpu 99% cpu time! How can i stop it or what is doing this mofo process ? |
| 09:52.39 | liable | tziku: pkill kacpid |
| 09:53.07 | tziku | he don't want to die :( |
| 09:53.21 | enouf | tziku: what version of kde?? .. check BTS yet? |
| 09:53.44 | liable | if its being particularly nasty, kill -6 kacpid, then -9 if 6 doesnt work |
| 09:53.59 | enouf | tziku: pstree -lunp .. find the parent and kill -9 it |
| 09:54.23 | wols_ | tziku: boot with kernel parameter "noacpi" |
| 09:54.37 | enouf | heh |
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| 09:54.51 | wols_ | kacpid is a kernel daemon pseudo process. you can't kill it and especially not its "parent" |
| 09:54.51 | O2 | still not working |
| 09:54.54 | pelzi_ | you cannot kill a part of the kernel |
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| 09:55.08 | pelzi_ | how many times do I have to repeat myself |
| 09:55.16 | enouf | doh .. I thought it was a kioslave of kde ..doh |
| 09:55.25 | wols_ | pelzi_: it's sunday. no one will listen |
| 09:55.27 | liable | pelzi_: many it seems |
| 09:55.42 | enouf | trust me .. I've been known to kill many kernels .. hehe |
| 09:56.35 | enouf | in this case .. I'm mistaken about from whence it spawned |
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| 09:56.46 | enouf | is that even a word? |
| 09:57.09 | tziku | thanks wols_ |
| 09:57.37 | wols_ | !acpi |
| 09:57.37 | dpkg | acpi is, like, Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 09:57.58 | wols_ | doh. no link to what to do to correct the BIOS acpi borkage |
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| 09:59.04 | xingu | wols_: there's probably a law against deep linking to heavy arms manufacturers these days |
| 09:59.10 | O2 | :( |
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| 10:04.28 | blujay | I'm trying to launch a Konqueror process and capture its PID in a Bash script. I've tried several things and Googled a bunch and can't find anything. Any help? |
| 10:05.27 | enouf | wols_: the boot parameter is acpi=off (others are here and elsewhere http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Kernel-parameters-2.6.11 ) .. you're thinking of noapic, lapic, nolapic |
| 10:05.41 | blujay | It doesn't even have to be Konqueror, I just need to capture a child process's PID in a Bash script. |
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| 10:05.49 | enouf | tziku: ^^^ |
| 10:06.13 | tziku | ? |
| 10:06.27 | enouf | tziku: look up |
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| 10:08.17 | tziku | let's see :D thanks |
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| 10:09.00 | KD-Misafir198 | hello |
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| 10:10.03 | hq4ever_2 | what module should I use with apache to do ldap authentication on stable ? |
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| 10:11.57 | enouf | liable: have your pizza with hot peppers yet? .. it's only 6hrs into sunday here |
| 10:13.05 | nearfar | some more colors |
| 10:13.32 | nearfar | debhelper: help |
| 10:15.16 | enouf | hq4ever_2: look around here http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/access.html and http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authz_host.html |
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| 10:15.53 | enouf | hq4ever_2: though 2.2 isn't avail for Sarge ?? yet ??? ... dunno |
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| 10:19.53 | lord_rob | Hi ! Does the "search local" line in /etc/resolv.conf (first line) mean "Look in /etc/hosts first" ? |
| 10:20.09 | azeem | lord_rob: no |
| 10:20.26 | azeem | it means 'try foo.local first if user asks for foo" |
| 10:20.46 | azeem | AFAIK, at least |
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| 10:21.03 | lord_rob | azeem: can foo also mean www.google.com ? |
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| 10:21.21 | azeem | lord_rob: sure, so it would try www.google.com.local |
| 10:21.21 | lord_rob | (for example) |
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| 10:21.31 | azeem | see that it fails, then ask your nameserver |
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| 10:23.19 | lord_rob | azeem: It's related to this (not a) bug report : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=392583 Does that mean that if I remove the search local line, I wouldn't need libnss-mdns library anymore ? |
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| 10:24.22 | pelzi_ | probably |
| 10:25.45 | lord_rob | hmmm let's try |
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| 10:33.48 | Mooi | how would I go about setting up an "Epson perfection 2480 photo" scanner on Debian/etch/testing to scan images? |
| 10:34.22 | Guerin | Mooi: xsane should love you long time |
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| 10:34.36 | Guerin | epson generally are pretty sane about their drivers and suchlike |
| 10:34.59 | Mooi | "No devices available" |
| 10:35.28 | Guerin | Mooi: congratulations, you've exhausted my knowledge of scanners! |
| 10:35.44 | Guerin | xsane has always Just Worked for me |
| 10:35.46 | Mooi | ;) |
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| 10:36.27 | Mooi | are there any tutorials on how to set up a scanner? |
| 10:36.35 | Mooi | cause google gives nothing useful |
| 10:36.54 | mosty | mooi: google doesn't turn up anything on SANE? |
| 10:37.36 | Mooi | I've found that I need snapscan backend |
| 10:38.00 | Mooi | and have no idea how to install it. I downloaded something from one of .debian.org sites for sane backends, installed it but nothing really |
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| 10:38.26 | Mooi | when using scanimage, I get "[snapscan] Cannot open firmware file /usr/local/share/sane/snapscan/your-firmwarefile.bin." |
| 10:39.10 | mosty | and does that file exist? |
| 10:39.37 | Braindead | c'mon... linux Epson perfection 2480 on google... |
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| 10:39.58 | Mooi | mosty: NO |
| 10:40.02 | Braindead | it's in italian but the essential parts are just in plain english http://guide.debianizzati.org/index.php/Epson_Perfection_2480_photo_-_usb_scanner |
| 10:40.11 | Mooi | Braindead: hm, ok |
| 10:40.20 | Mooi | google translate can translate |
| 10:40.23 | Braindead | you need to extract the firmware from the windows drivers |
| 10:40.57 | Mooi | hm |
| 10:40.59 | Mooi | drivers :/ |
| 10:41.20 | Guerin | oh, epson are evil now |
| 10:41.23 | Guerin | good to know |
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| 10:42.58 | Mooi | i didn't google enough |
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| 10:51.26 | camera | !mplayer |
| 10:51.26 | dpkg | hmm... mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 10:54.09 | tuxedup | Where is the log file for any error messages during shut downheld? /var/log does not seem to have them. |
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| 10:59.52 | HNT | Hello everybody, i'm in unstable with gnome, I have tried to install compiz but when I start gnome the only difference is that my window doesn't have any border, do you have an idea to solve that problem ? |
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| 11:01.24 | Guerin | HNT: don't use compiz -> problem solved |
| 11:01.40 | Guerin | HNT: hint: if you can't fix shit like this, don't use unstable |
| 11:02.13 | azeem | HNT: then compiz isn't running properly |
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| 11:02.18 | azeem | or rather, not at all |
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| 11:02.41 | azeem | HNT: start with a known-good window-manager, then run compiz from a terminal and watch it for error messages |
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| 11:07.37 | liable | azeem: i havent looked for a while, but compiz as a stand alone wm is possible yes? |
| 11:08.04 | azeem | it's a window manager |
| 11:08.10 | azeem | not a very working one, though |
| 11:08.36 | azeem | but yeah if you run compiz (or compiz.real --replace), it'll kill your running wm and will take over |
| 11:08.36 | craigevil | beryl in kde works better |
| 11:08.42 | liable | well, it works when you replace another, but starting it as the wm doesnt seem to work |
| 11:09.00 | azeem | liable: you mean in general? |
| 11:09.13 | liable | only ask cause someone else was trying it, and i thought it should work, but mebbe theres more to it |
| 11:09.15 | azeem | compiz e.g. doesn't work on my notebook eitehr |
| 11:10.01 | liable | azeem: i mean, just having compiz as a wm, instead of say, fluxbox |
| 11:10.47 | azeem | that's the theory |
| 11:10.56 | liable | but i am guessing it uses some shit as a backend or something |
| 11:10.59 | Mooi | can somebody explain what is with SANE and usb scanners,, how does it all work!? I am trying to install epson perfection 2480. i have snapscan for sane install, scanimage and xsane. my device lists in lsusb. I had put the firmware in a specific directory and edited the /etc/sane.d/snapscan.conf . Still, nothing works at all. all i can get is "[snapscan] usb_write Only 0 bytes written" |
| 11:11.15 | azeem | liable: they ripped out parts of Metacity's code AFAIK |
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| 11:15.01 | liable | but in all the compizrc's out there, you see it replacing something, my question is, why not just set it as the wm. thus there must be something from the previous WM its using? |
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| 11:16.07 | qailer | hello people, I'm trying to mount a sd card, but got no idea which the dev name of it is, I can't find it in syslog or dmesg, anyone? |
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| 11:25.12 | matthias | Hi, can anybody tell me why "hdparm -S x /dev/sda" could have no effect although there is no disk activity? I do not know where to look and see what went wrong. |
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| 11:30.46 | liable | matthias: try setting noatime in fstab or klogd flag at -c 2 |
| 11:32.10 | liable | actually, the klogd flag isnt relevent in this case |
| 11:32.20 | liable | brain fart |
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| 11:32.42 | liable | matthias: or install laptop-mode-tools |
| 11:32.54 | matthias | liable, installed already |
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| 11:33.16 | liable | matthias: is it set to mount with noatime option? |
| 11:33.38 | pelzi_ | what use is to mount without noatime in that case |
| 11:33.47 | liable | its an option of LMT |
| 11:33.48 | pelzi_ | a read will already spin it up |
| 11:34.06 | matthias | liable, yes, it is |
| 11:34.18 | matthias | liable, and there is no disc activity |
| 11:34.29 | matthias | liable, hdparm -y makes the disk spin down |
| 11:34.56 | liable | matthias: oh, so just S doesnt seem to work? |
| 11:35.06 | matthias | liable, and usually hdparm -S <value> <device> should make the disk spin down automatically |
| 11:35.13 | matthias | liable, right |
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| 11:35.39 | liable | matthias: but once spun down, it stays spun down for a while? |
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| 11:35.48 | matthias | liable, yes |
| 11:35.57 | liable | matthias: nfc then |
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| 11:36.11 | matthias | liable, nfc? |
| 11:36.20 | liable | no fucking clue |
| 11:36.25 | matthias | ok ;) |
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| 11:36.52 | matthias | same for me.. and I have no idea where to find some debugging information. |
| 11:37.34 | alfadir | hi, get this problem when choosing select in dselect : Program received signal SIGSEGV strlen () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 |
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| 11:38.08 | xnor | Hi, iam trying to install a chroot for my ssh users, i hvae installed pam_chroot and followed the instructions, if i tail auth.log i see that a session uses: sshd[2648]: (pam_unix) session opened not the pam_chroot that it is supposed to. Any ideas? |
| 11:39.24 | Guerin | !chroot ssh |
| 11:39.24 | dpkg | [ssh chroot] Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 11:39.31 | Guerin | xnor: you are misguided |
| 11:40.19 | ericP | my Xorg couldn't add 'unix/:-1' to the font path (and barfed when it couldn't find "fixed") |
| 11:40.20 | Guerin | alfadir: lib corruption is bad. |
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| 11:40.30 | Guerin | ericP: /msg dpkg fixed |
| 11:40.59 | ericP | Guerin, tanx |
| 11:41.01 | alfadir | Guerin: cure, fscheck and updating with via knoppix ? |
| 11:41.29 | enouf | matthias: apt-cache show sdparm maybe ... try hdparm -S60 /dev/sda |
| 11:41.45 | Guerin | alfadir: probably not; most likely a reinstall of those libs (which is ugly, since it's libc). Is it only dselect, or other things too? And what branch of debian? |
| 11:42.10 | alfadir | Guerin: running sid, only dselect acts up so far |
| 11:42.39 | Guerin | alfadir: since it's sid, suggest filing a bug against dselect, not using it, and hoping things fix themselves in time |
| 11:43.07 | alfadir | Guerin: hehe... well that is just the thing.. will be hard to update to any new dselect :) |
| 11:43.17 | alfadir | Guerin: maybe apt tools will do.. :) |
| 11:43.19 | Guerin | not if you don't use dselect |
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| 11:43.42 | xnor | Guerin: I just want a winscpclient to easy access a dir with some files in it, just hide evrything else, is it possible in a easy way? |
| 11:43.43 | alfadir | i know |
| 11:43.55 | craigevil | why are you using dselect instead of apt? |
| 11:44.23 | Guerin | xnor: look at rsh, but in general this is what sftp is for |
| 11:44.25 | ericP | $(apt-get --reinstall install xfonts-base) did not fix the problem, however, i note that i appear to not have xfs installed (after a dist-upgrade) |
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| 11:44.33 | SmartUnix | Hello , i want compile Gaim 1.5.0 from source , when i run "./configure" it's show for me these errors http://paste.lisp.org/display/27994 |
| 11:44.40 | ericP | is there likely a new font server that got tagged in? |
| 11:44.42 | Guerin | SmartUnix: #gaim |
| 11:44.55 | SmartUnix | no body in #Gaim :s |
| 11:44.57 | chris_abyi | hey.. I get a lot of error messages with g++ although my (short) sourcecode is right..is this the right channel for asking things like this? |
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| 11:45.12 | alfadir | Guerin: aptitude works.. so far |
| 11:45.28 | wols | chris_abyi: paste first error message at least somewhere |
| 11:45.33 | Guerin | chris_abyi: #c++ |
| 11:45.43 | chris_abyi | okay. let's try it here at first |
| 11:45.47 | wols | but, depending on the problem ##c++ might be better |
| 11:45.53 | chris_abyi | ok |
| 11:46.04 | craigevil | alfadir aptitude tends to do funny things on Sid |
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| 11:46.33 | Guerin | SmartUnix: you need to install dev libraries before building stuff. If you can't figure out this most elementary of build errors, I suggest using a binary package. |
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| 11:46.49 | wols | Guerin: how would you know it's a b-e problem? |
| 11:46.55 | jelly-home | ericP: I think the separate xfs hasn't been required for local access since a long time ago (XFree86 4.0 maybe). |
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| 11:46.59 | wols | oops. different guy. sry |
| 11:47.10 | Guerin | wols: i don't. It looks like a 'no glib-dev installed' problem |
| 11:47.13 | Guerin | oh |
| 11:47.18 | craigevil | Smartunix just use the autopackage version |
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| 11:47.30 | ericP | jelly-home, that's consistent with my recent experiment. hmm, installing xfs started $(/usr/bin/xfs -daemon), but didn't fix my prob |
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| 11:48.04 | xnor | Guerin: ok, does you have any clue why pam_chroot aint working at all here? |
| 11:48.11 | Guerin | xnor: no. |
| 11:50.23 | jelly-home | ericP: if you use testing and have upgraded to xorg recently, the font paths have changed like s,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts,/usr/share/fonts/X11, -- there are provisions to make symlinks for backward compatibility but they might have failed. |
| 11:50.25 | ericP | i really don't understand the (sole) path element "unix/:-1". is that a funny unix domain socket name relative to some mysterious base path? |
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| 11:51.23 | ericP | jelly-home, am using sid, but haven't restarted X for a long time. my Xorg.conf has only unix/:-1 |
| 11:51.42 | ericP | jelly-home, is there another conf file that should point to the fonts you listed? |
| 11:51.57 | liable | xorg in sid has started forcing config updates |
| 11:52.12 | liable | read the changelog |
| 11:52.18 | jelly-home | ericP: hmm. nope, the xorg.conf here lists a number of plain directories. |
| 11:52.29 | ma3x | how do I locate an application in the kde menu? |
| 11:52.39 | ma3x | if I know the name only but if I don't see it |
| 11:52.40 | ma3x | or how do I add it? |
| 11:52.52 | rpc | hmm do i need to keep /car/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin? they take my precious space |
| 11:52.57 | rpc | err /var |
| 11:53.05 | ericP | jelly-home, liable, huh, perhaps an errant postinstall |
| 11:53.40 | craigevil | ma3x right click kmenu and choose menu editor |
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| 11:54.05 | ma3x | craigevil: that's not it |
| 11:54.14 | ma3x | there was some other application which allows you to search by name |
| 11:54.21 | ma3x | and displays hidden apps |
| 11:54.43 | craigevil | ma3x Menu Updating tool |
| 11:54.51 | ma3x | craigevil: no that's not it |
| 11:55.10 | ma3x | kappfinder maybe |
| 11:55.13 | ma3x | let me see |
| 11:56.03 | ma3x | ah whatever its not important |
| 11:56.24 | ericP | jelly-home, could you paste (in #flood, if preferrable) your FontPath? |
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| 11:57.42 | iturk | hi there i have installed beamer using apt and the userguide tell me to go to installation directory but i dont know in which place has this application been installed !! Can i find the place of installation knowing the package name ?? |
| 11:58.08 | Skiver | hey.. |
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| 11:58.38 | Skiver | what's this Icedove ?? |
| 11:58.56 | Guerin | iturk: programs on unix don't have an installation directory, so whoever wrote your userguide is an eejit |
| 11:58.57 | craigevil | gnu free version of thunderbird |
| 11:58.59 | Guerin | !icedove |
| 11:59.07 | Guerin | !iceweasel |
| 11:59.07 | dpkg | [iceweasel] due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 11:59.23 | relaxed | iturk: dpkg -L beamer | less |
| 12:00.13 | tekane | Hey guy's, I have a file which I want readable by everyone on the system, however I don't want anyone other than root able to delete it? i can't figure out the correct perms i would need, anyon eknow? |
| 12:00.48 | pelzi_ | a+r, a-w |
| 12:01.21 | iturk | Guerin: i should have some program like graphical interface or an icon or some link but it seams it doesnt have that |
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| 12:01.29 | tekane | pelzi_, what do they do? |
| 12:01.30 | Guerin | !icedove is due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel. |
| 12:01.31 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 12:01.42 | Guerin | iturk: wtf has that got to do with anything? |
| 12:01.58 | iturk | relaxed: thanks !! i will check /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/beamer/ |
| 12:02.00 | pelzi_ | give everyone read access but not write access |
| 12:02.02 | pelzi_ | that's it |
| 12:02.28 | tekane | cool |
| 12:02.29 | tekane | thanks |
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| 12:03.17 | iturk | Guerin: well its like some aplications should be more user friendly and show some gui with instructions more a bit like windows !! I will lose a lot of time to understand more the system than the application i think !! |
| 12:03.20 | tekane | pelzi_ That doesn't work, the user can still delete it? |
| 12:03.22 | Guerin | tekane: you need to do that to the dir it lives in |
| 12:03.29 | Skiver | hmm i don't see iceweasel in the unstable pool yet. |
| 12:03.34 | Guerin | tekane: because the dir determines who can delete a file |
| 12:03.41 | doublehp | why do I need to join this chat to get trhe bots answer my private messages ? |
| 12:03.43 | pelzi_ | hmm, true. |
| 12:03.56 | craigevil | Skiver its not yet but you can download it from gnu |
| 12:04.02 | pelzi_ | that's what the sticky bit is for |
| 12:04.07 | tekane | let me try |
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| 12:04.38 | tekane | pelzi_ the man pahge does not say what option the sticky bit is for? |
| 12:04.41 | ma3x | winecfg belongs to wine-utils. but why when i type dpkg -S winecfg, it doesn't find it? |
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| 12:05.08 | pelzi_ | setting a directory stick prevents all users with write access from deleting files. |
| 12:05.16 | tekane | i know but how do you set it |
| 12:05.22 | pelzi_ | chmod +s iirc |
| 12:05.29 | pelzi_ | use google, I can't remember |
| 12:05.44 | enouf | !permissions |
| 12:05.44 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Permissions |
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| 12:06.43 | tekane | pelzi_ chmod +t |
| 12:06.46 | enouf | doublehp: /msg dpkg keyword |
| 12:06.50 | pelzi_ | ok |
| 12:07.19 | pelzi_ | +s is setuid/setgid... yes |
| 12:07.23 | enouf | doublehp: ohh .. you're asking why?? wtf do I know |
| 12:07.56 | tekane | damnit |
| 12:08.04 | tekane | pelzi_, i can still delete it as a useR?? |
| 12:08.16 | tekane | -r--r--r-T 1 root root 580 Oct 15 06:49 README |
| 12:08.22 | tekane | i can delete that as a normal user? |
| 12:08.29 | Guerin | tekane: did you change the DIRECTORY permissions? |
| 12:08.38 | enouf | doublehp: prolly so no b0z0s can launch bot attacks without being able to be klined |
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| 12:09.40 | tekane | Guerin, no what do i need to change them to? |
| 12:10.03 | doublehp | enouf: thought about something like that; now *know* a *good* reason :) |
| 12:10.06 | ericP | jelly-home, i can start x with 'FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"', but still wonder if that's the best way. for instance, is "unix/:-1" now a vestige of xfs days? |
| 12:10.26 | Guerin | tekane: if you want non-root to not be able to delete anything in the dir, but anyone should be able to read it, the dir should be root:root rxwr-xr-x |
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| 12:11.23 | tekane | Guerin, thats not what i wnat. |
| 12:11.26 | doublehp | how to know from which miror a package have been installed ? not said in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 12:11.39 | Guerin | tekane: i can't remember what you want, but the principles are there for you to work out |
| 12:11.43 | tekane | I want a file in a users home directory readable by the user but not deleteable, so the user cannot delete the file? |
| 12:12.02 | tekane | i have tried setting the sticky bit and a+r / a-w but he can still delete it |
| 12:12.03 | Guerin | tekane: oh, in the user's homedir |
| 12:12.14 | Guerin | tekane: you probably want to chattr(1) ut |
| 12:12.15 | Guerin | it |
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| 12:12.30 | Guerin | tekane: that's a cruel thing to do to a user, btw |
| 12:12.33 | Guerin | and unnecessary |
| 12:12.35 | pelzi_ | yes. |
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| 12:12.41 | pelzi_ | why tease users |
| 12:12.51 | tekane | heh |
| 12:12.55 | tekane | its a rules thing |
| 12:12.58 | Guerin | and I'm not sure why you think you're clever enough to justify it, given that you can't figure out how to do it |
| 12:13.10 | Guerin | platitude(rules,broken) |
| 12:13.23 | enouf | Guerin: or anyone .. is this correct syntax for editing the "permissions" factoid ? (Replacing one URL with another, since the last two shown there now point tothe same exact page) --> !permissions=~s/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Permissions/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod/g |
| 12:13.29 | alfadir | tekane: if it is rules put it in motd ? |
| 12:13.43 | Guerin | enouf: look at all the /s |
| 12:13.45 | tekane | Guerin, so just chattr -R /home/user/FILE ? |
| 12:13.46 | pelzi_ | or just kick the users out if they can't read them |
| 12:13.52 | Guerin | tekane: man chattr |
| 12:13.56 | wols | tekane: apt-cache policy .debname |
| 12:14.06 | enouf | Guerin: crap .. somethings wrong there .. glad I didn't just try it :-) |
| 12:14.08 | Guerin | enouf: use # instead of / as the separators |
| 12:14.15 | enouf | Guerin: Ok .. thanks |
| 12:14.22 | Guerin | enouf: and g is unnecessary |
| 12:14.44 | Guerin | i also think you need spaces around =~, but I can't remember perl enough |
| 12:14.47 | enouf | !permissions=~s#http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Permissions#http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod/ |
| 12:14.50 | alfadir | tekane: check out: man motd |
| 12:15.01 | enouf | crap |
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| 12:15.40 | dpkg | celeste <n=Celeste@85.237.25.84> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 1h 3m 55s ago, saying: 'thank you blondie'. |
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| 12:15.57 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
| 12:16.00 | tekane | got it |
| 12:16.03 | tekane | chattr +a |
| 12:16.22 | enouf | dpkg no permissions is <reply>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod |
| 12:16.23 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 12:16.38 | enouf | Guerin: old fashioned method :-) |
| 12:16.42 | Guerin | tekane: you want users to be able to APPEND? |
| 12:17.05 | abrotman | enouf: what's wrong with the wikipedia chown article? jeez |
| 12:17.07 | tekane | hrm |
| 12:17.09 | tekane | damn |
| 12:17.20 | tekane | Guerin, I want users to be able to read, append, but not delete |
| 12:17.26 | enouf | abrotman: I didn't remove the chown |
| 12:17.28 | tekane | this means they cant write to it now |
| 12:17.30 | enouf | any |
| 12:17.33 | tekane | hrm |
| 12:17.36 | tekane | how would i do that Guerin |
| 12:17.43 | abrotman | lay off the enter key |
| 12:17.52 | Guerin | tekane: while true; do echo -e 'tekane is fucking stupid!\n' >> /home/user/rules; done |
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| 12:18.11 | tekane | Guerin, dude why wont you help me out |
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| 12:18.20 | Guerin | tekane: WHY would you give people the power to add something to a file, but not delete it? |
| 12:18.25 | pelzi_ | we do not have to |
| 12:18.27 | Guerin | tekane: because what you're doing is *stupid* |
| 12:18.35 | wols | Guerin: log files? |
| 12:18.44 | Guerin | tekane: i'm trying to get at what you *really* intend to achieve |
| 12:18.52 | Guerin | wols: this is a rules fiule, but you have a point |
| 12:18.52 | tekane | Guerin, plenty of fucking reasons, stop being an asshole |
| 12:19.09 | enouf | abrotman: all I did was replace a double woith a slightly diff one -- hence (wikipedias) /Unix_permissions and /File_permissions pages are exactly the same .. therefore reduntant -- I just replaced the /File_permissions one with a /Chmod one -- wanna add a Chown too ? |
| 12:19.11 | tekane | i have a point to all this i just need some help |
| 12:19.15 | tekane | and your making that very difficult |
| 12:19.20 | Braindead | tekane: plenty? give us 3 |
| 12:19.24 | wols | tekane: ok. you don't want to tell us what you want to do, we don |
| 12:19.31 | abrotman | enouf: no .. not really .. if you can't read man chmod .. you sohuld be shot :) |
| 12:19.36 | wols | we don't want to answer your questions. deal? |
| 12:19.38 | dendrite | 08:11 < tekane> I want a file in a users home directory readable by the user but not deleteable, so the user cannot delete the file? |
| 12:19.51 | enouf | !fruitsmite abrotman |
| 12:19.54 | Guerin | tekane: i told you where the info is; in man chattr. If you want users to be able to read or append but not delete, you've more or less figured it out. |
| 12:19.57 | abrotman | if the user owns that file .. they can change the permission anyways |
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| 12:21.22 | x_link | Hi Guerin & enouf |
| 12:21.26 | x_link | And everybody else! |
| 12:21.29 | tekane | i figured out how to make it not be able to be deleted with chattr +a but how can i make it writebale |
| 12:21.35 | x_link | enouf: I found 4 computers yesterday =) |
| 12:21.44 | enouf | 658 ppl wave .. and the channel braks in two |
| 12:21.45 | Guerin | tekane: it IS writable with +a |
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| 12:21.52 | enouf | breaks even |
| 12:21.56 | tekane | Guerin, what do u mean |
| 12:22.02 | enouf | x_link: very nice.. |
| 12:22.04 | x_link | 3 P II and this last one seems to be pretty "good". 40GB hdd, 512MB RAM |
| 12:22.10 | ma3x | winecfg belongs to wine-utils. but why when i type dpkg -S winecfg, it doesn't find it? |
| 12:22.11 | x_link | But I can't get it to start. |
| 12:22.14 | wols | tekane: if you can't make a file writable, you need to read more |
| 12:22.17 | rumpl | lucky bastard |
| 12:22.18 | enouf | x_link: ahh .. my main system :-) |
| 12:22.21 | x_link | I don't know how to plug in all the power wires. |
| 12:22.28 | tekane | I KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT WRITEBAL |
| 12:22.31 | tekane | chmod +x |
| 12:22.36 | tekane | eerr |
| 12:22.37 | wols | x_link: ask #hardware, not #debian |
| 12:22.38 | tekane | chmod +W |
| 12:22.40 | tekane | w |
| 12:22.44 | Guerin | vadreas:~# echo badger > file |
| 12:22.44 | Guerin | vadreas:~# chattr +a file |
| 12:22.46 | Guerin | vadreas:~# echo mushroom >> file |
| 12:22.49 | x_link | wols: I was not asking, just telling enouf. |
| 12:22.56 | wols | "Hi, I'm not capable of pluging in my computer. HELP!" |
| 12:23.01 | Guerin | vadreas:~# cat file |
| 12:23.01 | Guerin | badger |
| 12:23.01 | Guerin | mushroom |
| 12:23.04 | wols | sheesh. it's truly sunday |
| 12:23.20 | x_link | wols: Why are you on me all the time ? |
| 12:23.24 | Guerin | vadreas:~# rm file |
| 12:23.24 | Guerin | rm: cannot remove `file': Operation not permitted |
| 12:23.30 | x_link | I just told enouf that I found 4 computers. |
| 12:23.33 | Guerin | is that not what you want? |
| 12:23.43 | tekane | yes |
| 12:23.44 | enouf | x_link: easy now ... there are a gazillion tuts on google about hookups -- search PSU ATX Power_On .. ATX Specs Mobo Specs |
| 12:23.47 | wols | no, you told a CHANNEL full of 650 people you found 4 computres |
| 12:23.56 | wols | and that you can't figure out how to plug the power in |
| 12:24.01 | abrotman | wols: i farted |
| 12:24.11 | blondie | eww |
| 12:24.12 | wols | abrotman: I expected no less from you |
| 12:24.16 | enouf | places Fan where abrotman once stood |
| 12:24.20 | enouf | hides |
| 12:24.38 | abrotman | wols: don't those things come with sockets ? |
| 12:24.54 | wols | farts? beats me. you're the expert |
| 12:25.03 | Guerin | fartsockets? |
| 12:25.11 | Guerin | that sounds like the title of some spam I got |
| 12:25.22 | enouf | fartsoz |
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| 12:26.04 | rpc | does anyone know how to disable caching in w3m? i often do POST with it and it seems to do caching before actually posting the file |
| 12:27.14 | abrotman | .. what i wanna know is .. if they're man-made .. just how the hell can they be elements .. huh ? |
| 12:27.42 | wols | abrotman: this partuclar element is made by the action of man |
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| 12:28.09 | wols | the raw materials were not, but this is |
| 12:28.13 | abrotman | ok .. is everyone back to normal now ? :) |
| 12:28.25 | giorgian | hi. i installed php5, but apache tries to run my web applications with php4; how do i fix this? |
| 12:28.27 | wols | also, atoms were once supposed to not be crackable. That's why they named it that way |
| 12:28.31 | wols | guess they lied back then |
| 12:28.39 | abrotman | giorgian: which version of debian ? |
| 12:28.45 | giorgian | abrotman: testing |
| 12:28.50 | wols | giorgian: and how did you install php5? |
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| 12:29.01 | giorgian | wols: apt-get install php5 |
| 12:29.01 | abrotman | giorgian: do you have libapache2-mod-php5 installed ? |
| 12:29.38 | wols | and hopefully the php4 stuff deinstalled in this case? |
| 12:29.38 | tekane | Guerin, how come i can only write to the file using echo and i cannot do it via nano? |
| 12:29.49 | abrotman | uhoh |
| 12:30.01 | giorgian | abrotman: oh, that's the problem: i'm using apache, not apache2 |
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| 12:30.26 | abrotman | giorgian: so get libapache-mod-php5 |
| 12:30.30 | Guerin | tekane: because it (FTFM) 'can only be open in append mode for writing.' |
| 12:30.39 | giorgian | abrotman: doing, thanks :) |
| 12:30.45 | giorgian | wols: is php5 back compatible? |
| 12:30.58 | wols | should mostly |
| 12:31.01 | abrotman | giorgian: ask ##php |
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| 12:31.09 | enouf | x_link: you still alive? |
| 12:31.10 | wols | thing is, .php can work only for one of the two, noth both |
| 12:31.19 | giorgian | wols: ok |
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| 12:32.34 | abrotman | shocker .. tower records is going out of business ... |
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| 12:33.00 | abrotman | wols: i guess you could run both . on different apache configs |
| 12:33.46 | wols | abrotman: that you can |
| 12:34.04 | abrotman | which would require different ports .. what fun! |
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| 12:49.05 | Ramattack | Hi everybody |
| 12:49.08 | wols | abrotman: http://www.wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Installing_PHP5 |
| 12:49.16 | wols | how someone in ##php did it. |
| 12:49.21 | Ramattack | I wanted to know how patch command works |
| 12:49.22 | wols | I don't like it but i guess it's a solution |
| 12:49.33 | wols | man patch. next |
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| 12:49.58 | Ramattack | don't find any useful guide and needed to know this works for applying some patches and determining between them they're difference |
| 12:50.12 | Ramattack | yep |
| 12:50.23 | abrotman | wols: that's just .. not nice :) |
| 12:50.38 | Ramattack | but man patch doesn't explain quite good what does p0 and p1 means for example |
| 12:50.43 | wols | what? us proven wrong or the solution? |
| 12:50.49 | abrotman | the solution :) |
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| 12:51.44 | mosty | rammattack: pN means take the first N levels of directories of the file paths use in the patch |
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| 12:52.39 | Ramattack | mosty : N levels of directories of the file paths... |
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| 12:53.01 | Ramattack | where are that paths on the file? with the diff command? |
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| 12:54.51 | Blues-Man | hi all |
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| 12:55.23 | Telma | hello |
| 12:57.04 | Blues-Man | I was tryng to install a package via apt in a debian etch but it tells me to install many other packages, it wants to remove x-window-system and put many xserver-xorg-*,i wonder why |
| 12:57.34 | abrotman | which package? |
| 12:57.59 | pelzi_ | you haven't upgraded in a while, have you |
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| 12:58.03 | mosty | ramattack: diff creates patch files that describe the differences between two sets of files, which might include a whole directory tree |
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| 13:01.33 | marco_ | why is there an icedove package downloading, but it's not in packages.debian.org? |
| 13:01.59 | wols | !iceweasel |
| 13:02.00 | dpkg | iceweasel is, like, due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 13:02.08 | wols | icedove is your new thunderbird |
| 13:02.33 | Ramattack | When I have passed the enforced disk check during the os boot after 30 times mounting / has told me that that 1.0 % is discontinued hot could I defrag or something the file system? |
| 13:03.00 | marco_ | wols, yes, well then why isn't it in packages.debian.org? |
| 13:03.08 | abrotman | marco_: packages.d.o hasn't updated in a few days |
| 13:03.13 | jelly-home | ericP: Hm, I seem to remember having a fontpath entry in an old version of x config but can't find that config now. FWIW, here are my FontPath entries: http://paste.debian.net/14913 ... if you grep -v usr/X11R6/lib you should get some like the default configuration. |
| 13:03.23 | marco_ | ah, ok |
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| 13:03.34 | abrotman | why it's not automated .. nfc |
| 13:03.52 | marco_ | abrotman, will iceweasel and icedove install side-by-side with my current setup or will they replace it? |
| 13:03.55 | Blues-Man | the package is a mysql lib |
| 13:04.01 | jelly-home | Ramattack: you can safely ignore it, it's normal that some files are fragmented (discontiguous). |
| 13:04.10 | abrotman | marco_: setup of what ? |
| 13:04.12 | Blues-Man | I don't know why I have to upgrade xorg to install it |
| 13:04.24 | marco_ | abrotman, my current firefox+thunderbird setupo |
| 13:04.24 | pelzi_ | iceweasel and icedove are the same package and replace the bird and fox. |
| 13:04.40 | Blues-Man | the name is libdbd-mysql-perl |
| 13:04.42 | abrotman | marco_: they should replace those packages |
| 13:04.51 | abrotman | i don't htink iceweasel is in yet though |
| 13:04.57 | marco_ | hmm |
| 13:04.58 | Blues-Man | and apt tells me that I have to download 94 mb of upgrade in order to install it |
| 13:05.06 | marco_ | icedove removed thunderbird-gnome-support |
| 13:05.51 | Ramattack | jelly-home : but you dont have to do something like in win OS in wich you have a defragment command? |
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| 13:06.16 | pelzi_ | nope |
| 13:06.22 | MarGarina | grr... icedove replaced thunderbird.. |
| 13:06.28 | pelzi_ | it is not necessary in almost all cases |
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| 13:06.32 | abrotman | MarGarina: so? |
| 13:06.48 | giorgian | ok, i installed php5 and now i can use the subversion stable release of mediawiki (which uses php and mysql); but other apps, like postnuke, now complain they don't find mysql_connect; what's the problem? |
| 13:07.03 | abrotman | giorgian: install php5-mysql ? |
| 13:07.21 | giorgian | abrotman: done! |
| 13:07.35 | giorgian | (without it, mediawiki wouldn't work!) |
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| 13:13.58 | marco_ | !icedove |
| 13:13.58 | dpkg | icedove is, like, due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel. |
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| 13:14.01 | jetscreamer | http://descy.50megs.com/descy/webcred/webcred/barbie.html |
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| 13:14.14 | jetscreamer | !be a hacker barbie |
| 13:14.15 | dpkg | Aww, hacker is HARD! Let's go shopping, jetscreamer |
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| 13:15.29 | x_link | enouf: Yes I'am. I wrote to you in PM. |
| 13:15.47 | enouf | x_link: and I replied |
| 13:16.09 | x_link | No you didn't |
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| 13:16.18 | abrotman | are you both id'ed to nickserv? |
| 13:16.18 | enouf | x_link: what happened - sudden urge to take a dump? |
| 13:16.31 | enouf | x_link: sure I did .. :-) |
| 13:16.43 | enouf | abrotman: yeah .. I am |
| 13:16.46 | x_link | http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=31105&seqNum=4&rl=1 |
| 13:16.53 | x_link | I'm reading some there |
| 13:17.03 | abrotman | x_link: go to #hardware already |
| 13:17.04 | mosty | i am using a kernel image package from backports.org, how can i rebuild that kernel with a patch (kernel-patch-misdn) applied? the kernel doesn't appear to have /proc/config for my to copy |
| 13:17.26 | Ramattack | thanks a lot people |
| 13:17.28 | abrotman | mosty: config is also in /boot/ |
| 13:17.35 | nvz | mosty: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:17.36 | Ramattack | going to go to search some information |
| 13:17.38 | Ramattack | bue! |
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| 13:17.51 | mosty | abrotman/nvz: ahh ok. thanks |
| 13:18.05 | enouf | !Sunday customer |
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| 13:27.06 | aubergine | I have a MSI Raid1 Controller onboard, and want that sda1 is duplicated on sda2. Is this automaticly made, or is this a software based thing? |
| 13:27.36 | mosty | aubergine, software raid is probably faster |
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| 13:27.51 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 13:27.59 | abrotman | aubergine: if it's true raid .. it's RAID1 .. and done in the controller bios |
| 13:28.00 | oxyride | hi body |
| 13:28.08 | mosty | aubergine, ie the raid chip is probably very slow compared to your cpu |
| 13:28.14 | Ramattack | I wanted to know what's for the first line of a .patch file in wich specifies the diff command? |
| 13:28.48 | aubergine | mosty is software trully fast than the mainboard? |
| 13:29.00 | wols | aubergine: you don't have real RAID most probably but fakeraid |
| 13:29.01 | abrotman | aubergine: it depends on the controller |
| 13:29.16 | wols | aubergine: so simply use software raid and be done with it |
| 13:29.21 | abrotman | and a few other items on the machine |
| 13:29.39 | jelly-home | !pxe |
| 13:29.40 | dpkg | it has been said that pxe is a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php |
| 13:29.51 | mosty | aubergine, typically only expensive raid cards are faster than linux software raid |
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| 13:30.10 | aubergine | ok thanks, what software should i use? |
| 13:30.10 | chemaja | wow... xfce4 on sid is *tight* |
| 13:30.15 | chemaja | good work, xfce team |
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| 13:30.23 | mosty | aubergine: mdadm |
| 13:30.34 | Zesty | is it possible to blacklist certain packages? |
| 13:30.57 | chemaja | Zesty, i think you can do that with apt-pinning |
| 13:30.59 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 13:31.00 | dpkg | well, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
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| 13:31.36 | Zesty | Thanks abrotman, chemaja |
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| 13:32.17 | craigevil | Zesty or just use dpkg to hold it> echo packagename hold|dpkg --set-selections |
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| 13:32.33 | enouf | Zesty: be careful to not try and block dependencies |
| 13:33.15 | chemaja | Zesty, also, aptitude (the one true package manager ;)) has a function for it. |
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| 13:33.55 | Zesty | Thanks, I'll take a look into it. |
| 13:34.22 | jetscreamer | cr |
| 13:34.44 | abrotman | craigevil: that won't work |
| 13:35.07 | craigevil | works for APT |
| 13:35.12 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 13:35.43 | abrotman | if you explicitly install a package the depends on the held package . it will install it |
| 13:36.11 | craigevil | no it wont, i had kdelibs on hold and it wouldnt install anything it depended on |
| 13:36.25 | craigevil | Aptitude will override it and install it anyway though |
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| 13:37.32 | jetscreamer | cr |
| 13:37.44 | enouf | abc? |
| 13:37.52 | jetscreamer | ap |
| 13:37.55 | jetscreamer | titude |
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| 13:38.07 | enouf | ahhh .. gotcha |
| 13:39.13 | abrotman | craigevil: erm . i'm sorry .. if you explicitly install the package |
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| 13:47.37 | goki | hi |
| 13:47.40 | goki | #KERN_26=y |
| 13:47.40 | goki | #KERNEL_SOURCE=/usr/src/linux-2.6.7 |
| 13:47.53 | goki | what is kernel source in debian testing ? |
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| 13:48.06 | abrotman | 2.6.17 |
| 13:48.07 | pelzi_ | please install the source. |
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| 13:48.32 | pelzi_ | then you probably need to untar it and there it is. |
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| 13:49.26 | goki | abrotman: yes, but i mean the way to source like /usr/src/linux-26-7 |
| 13:49.43 | abrotman | goki: what are you trying to do ? |
| 13:49.44 | pelzi_ | did you even read what I said? |
| 13:49.48 | abrotman | or trying to compile ? |
| 13:49.58 | pelzi_ | the kernel sources aren't there by default. |
| 13:50.14 | goki | trying to isntall wireless |
| 13:50.26 | pelzi_ | which wireless |
| 13:50.28 | goki | peltzi how to install it =) |
| 13:50.33 | pelzi_ | apt-get |
| 13:50.34 | abrotman | goki: which chipset ? |
| 13:50.43 | pelzi_ | you know, linux-source-foo-bar |
| 13:51.00 | goki | jensen 6AL6554_v2_Linux kernel 2.4_2.6\ |
| 13:51.10 | abrotman | goki: do you know which chipset the device uses ? |
| 13:51.12 | pelzi_ | and usually something is wrong if you need to start compiling the drivers |
| 13:51.32 | abrotman | that's quite an assumption without knowing which chipset |
| 13:51.40 | goki | abrotman nope, but it jenes scandinavia made and i found drivers from a website |
| 13:51.47 | pelzi_ | lspci |
| 13:51.52 | abrotman | goki: is it pci or pcmcia ? |
| 13:51.56 | abrotman | or .. usb ? |
| 13:51.58 | goki | usb |
| 13:52.00 | pelzi_ | well there are binaries for almost everything |
| 13:52.03 | pelzi_ | lsusb, then. |
| 13:52.58 | goki | there was 2 unfinded devices |
| 13:53.16 | abrotman | goki: do you have network on this machine now ? |
| 13:53.22 | pelzi_ | but if you got the source and it is manufactured by some small company, I'd guess it is a ralink |
| 13:53.25 | wols | update-pciids; lspci |
| 13:53.29 | abrotman | update-usbids |
| 13:53.34 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 13:53.34 | abrotman | wols: keep up! |
| 13:53.41 | goki | abrotman: yes.. |
| 13:53.53 | abrotman | goki: run `update-usbids` .. and try lsusb again |
| 13:54.04 | wols | abrotman: i'm just an old far. Oh sorry |
| 13:54.07 | mosty | hrm, is misdn in the main kernel tree yet? |
| 13:54.17 | abrotman | wols: old far indeed :) |
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| 13:54.52 | goki | one sec |
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| 13:55.10 | Moorenkopf | has debian a set of initscripts where i should put f.e. rdate or things like that in? (e.g. /etc/conf.d/local.start from gentoo) |
| 13:55.25 | HNT | Hello erveybody, i'v got a simple question : By default, KDE display in the tool bar all applications of all desktops, how can I display only the application of the current desktop ? |
| 13:55.26 | wols | I almost typed it, then I remembered what I'd type and who I talked to. so I better sotpped I think |
| 13:55.26 | abrotman | make your own initscript |
| 13:55.33 | asg | Moorenkopf: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 13:55.33 | abrotman | wols: hehe |
| 13:55.42 | Moorenkopf | ok |
| 13:55.42 | wols | Moorenkopf: no. you just make one if you need one |
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| 13:56.03 | tha_guy | HNT: You mean workspace? |
| 13:56.12 | HNT | yes workspace, sorry |
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| 13:57.58 | abrotman | goki: so which chipset ? |
| 13:57.59 | tha_guy | HNT: I haven't used KDE in ages. But in GNOME, you can just right click and change the settings. |
| 13:58.19 | abrotman | HNT: maybe ask #kde or #debian-kde |
| 13:58.28 | HNT | yes, but i didn't find the same in KDE |
| 13:58.38 | tha_guy | HNT: I suppose in KDE go to the preferences of the panel or toolbar, and change it. |
| 13:58.52 | HNT | i will ask on #kde, thx |
| 13:58.54 | tha_guy | HNT: there is a control panel in KDE, change it from there. |
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| 13:59.50 | Charminthemoose | what video editing software is out there? |
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| 14:00.25 | abrotman | kino and cinerella |
| 14:00.28 | goki | abrotman i cant get in in ethernet :) haha havent use debian long time ago so what was command dpkg-reconfigure network or what |
| 14:00.42 | abrotman | !tell goki about interfaces |
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| 14:05.54 | RolandU | hi! I have a very simple problem.: I am trying to find out the color depth of an image. All the programs I have will only display "color" - but I need to know whether it's 24 or 32 bit. |
| 14:06.27 | abrotman | open it in gimp ? |
| 14:06.54 | RolandU | abrotman, in gimp I can only transform it to grayscale or color... |
| 14:07.09 | abrotman | no image properties ? |
| 14:07.35 | cahoot | RolandU, run file on it? |
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| 14:07.46 | tha_guy | ls |
| 14:08.15 | BloodBath | hey |
| 14:08.22 | BloodBath | can anyone help me make the forum |
| 14:08.27 | BloodBath | readme confusing me |
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| 14:08.51 | BloodBath | anyone please i would greatly appreciate it |
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| 14:09.34 | BloodBath | please? |
| 14:09.42 | abrotman | help you what ? |
| 14:09.49 | asg | abrotman: make the forum |
| 14:09.51 | BloodBath | make a forum from phpbb |
| 14:09.56 | BloodBath | readme confusing me |
| 14:09.59 | abrotman | isn't there a #phpbb ? |
| 14:10.00 | BloodBath | so i dont know what to do |
| 14:10.04 | BloodBath | dont know |
| 14:10.08 | BloodBath | doesnt say on site |
| 14:10.11 | BloodBath | someone told me come here |
| 14:10.15 | IndridCold_ | in debian is it possible to run a command that tells you what version of debian you are running ? |
| 14:10.23 | asg | IndridCold_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:10.25 | abrotman | RolandU: gimp can show bit depth |
| 14:10.27 | abrotman | !version |
| 14:10.28 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 14:11.09 | BloodBath | so can anyone help me please |
| 14:11.17 | abrotman | BloodBath: which version of debian ? |
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| 14:11.28 | RolandU | abrotman, but how? |
| 14:11.57 | cahoot | RolandU, tried: file <file>? |
| 14:11.59 | abrotman | RolandU: right click on image .. go to view .. info window |
| 14:12.10 | RolandU | ah..... there it is |
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| 14:12.13 | abrotman | BloodBath: DO NOT DO THAT |
| 14:12.21 | abrotman | BloodBath: which version of *debian* |
| 14:12.35 | abrotman | cahoot: file doesn't do it |
| 14:12.48 | RolandU | cahoot, file will only display that it's jpeg and compressed. |
| 14:12.51 | abrotman | BloodBath: DO NOT DO THAT .. i'm not going to msg you |
| 14:12.55 | RolandU | abrotman, thanks, that helped |
| 14:13.01 | cahoot | abrotman, PNG image data, 32 x 32, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced |
| 14:13.02 | abrotman | RolandU: there hsould be an easier way |
| 14:13.03 | BloodBath | well im not gonna say then |
| 14:13.07 | BloodBath | because i dont like the fact |
| 14:13.07 | abrotman | cahoot: not on jpg |
| 14:13.10 | dendrite | RolandU: There's also the 'identify' command in ImageMagick... |
| 14:13.10 | BloodBath | so many people are talking |
| 14:13.13 | abrotman | BloodBath: that you're not using debian ? |
| 14:13.14 | BloodBath | and i wont get to see the msg |
| 14:13.23 | BloodBath | wtf is so wrong with dialog box chat |
| 14:13.23 | asg | BloodBath: tough, read faster. What version of Debian are you using. |
| 14:13.26 | abrotman | BloodBath: then i guess you're not going to get help in here |
| 14:13.33 | BloodBath | I NEVER SAID IM USING DEBIAN |
| 14:13.39 | BloodBath | I SAID IM USING PHPBB |
| 14:13.40 | pelzi_ | then what are you doing here |
| 14:13.43 | asg | BloodBath: then fuck off, this is for Debian discussion only |
| 14:13.48 | abrotman | BloodBath: so why are you asking here ? |
| 14:13.56 | BloodBath | cause a moderator told me to fucking ask here |
| 14:13.58 | BloodBath | dumbcunts |
| 14:14.02 | pelzi_ | oh please |
| 14:14.03 | BloodBath | i never said anything about debian |
| 14:14.04 | BloodBath | once |
| 14:14.05 | pelzi_ | I can help you |
| 14:14.06 | IndridCold_ | rofl!! |
| 14:14.11 | abrotman | BloodBath: which moderator ? |
| 14:14.16 | BloodBath | i dont know |
| 14:14.18 | BloodBath | i left |
| 14:14.18 | tha_guy | calm down everyone plz. |
| 14:14.19 | BloodBath | der |
| 14:14.26 | BloodBath | since they said i cant get help there |
| 14:14.28 | abrotman | left .. where ? |
| 14:14.31 | BloodBath | omg |
| 14:14.37 | abrotman | HFHKJHHFHE!!!! |
| 14:14.38 | BloodBath | do you think i remember |
| 14:14.39 | asg | *plonk* |
| 14:14.40 | pelzi_ | little pieve of advice: DO NOT EVER install phpbb if you do not know how to. it has enough security holes to be a pain. |
| 14:14.46 | abrotman | JEHH!! |
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| 14:15.03 | pelzi_ | if you need to ask, you can't do it securely. |
| 14:15.14 | abrotman | wow .. thanks for all that insight |
| 14:15.25 | abrotman | BloodBath: so which version of linux are you using ? |
| 14:15.26 | IndridCold_ | bloodbath PHPBB has very little to do with the operating system linux, other than the fact that it can be run on an apache server (or alternative) running PHP which is sat on a linux machine. |
| 14:15.32 | BloodBath | linux |
| 14:15.34 | BloodBath | lmfaoi |
| 14:15.38 | abrotman | WHICH VERSION OF LINUX? |
| 14:15.42 | BloodBath | linux lmfao |
| 14:15.44 | BloodBath | ahahha |
| 14:15.51 | BloodBath | i never said anything about linux either |
| 14:15.56 | pelzi_ | oh please |
| 14:15.56 | BloodBath | this is halarious |
| 14:15.58 | abrotman | !ops BloodBath |
| 14:15.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: BloodBath |
| 14:16.00 | pelzi_ | go away |
| 14:16.10 | BloodBath | na |
| 14:16.13 | pelzi_ | we do not support other operating systems. |
| 14:16.14 | BloodBath | ill wait till i get banned |
| 14:16.27 | pelzi_ | installing phpbb on debian would do, not anything else. |
| 14:16.31 | IndridCold_ | Debian is a linux distribution |
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| 14:16.46 | pelzi_ | and I'd advise you even more strongly to not install it if you are using another OS. |
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| 14:16.56 | abrotman | azeem: thank you |
| 14:17.03 | Bry2k200 | how do i get the web page for repositories? |
| 14:17.04 | asg | *unplonk* |
| 14:17.06 | azeem | BloodBath: please try to be more constructive, you're been silenced for 10 minutes (for now) |
| 14:17.13 | abrotman | Bry2k200: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 14:17.17 | Bry2k200 | tnx |
| 14:17.56 | Bry2k200 | not running sarge, running etch |
| 14:18.10 | craigevil | same thing just change sarge to etch or testing |
| 14:18.10 | abrotman | Bry2k200: that's ok .. use the URL it gives you to find a mirror |
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| 14:18.40 | pelzi_ | how pathetic... |
| 14:19.02 | pelzi_ | just sad. soon we'll have one more exploitable windoze box with php... |
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| 14:22.59 | Crysis | Hi, I want to create a new partition on my harddisk for install debian, but what system of files need I to use ? NTFS, FAT32, EXT* ? |
| 14:23.35 | abrotman | ext3 |
| 14:24.05 | Crysis | okay, and ~ which size take debian ? |
| 14:24.14 | wols | depends what you install |
| 14:24.26 | wols | around 150MB or so minimum |
| 14:24.30 | pelzi_ | a minimal installation is around 150m. |
| 14:24.43 | pelzi_ | the small graphical-enabled system I have on my laptop is 1.5G |
| 14:24.48 | abrotman | small ? |
| 14:24.57 | pelzi_ | well, it has no KDE |
| 14:25.05 | abrotman | wtf do you have? |
| 14:25.05 | pelzi_ | but it has firefox, java, etc. |
| 14:25.10 | phogg | Crysis: I recommend at least 3 gigs |
| 14:25.12 | Crysis | ok so 45GO is good ? |
| 14:25.15 | wols | pelzi_: from the size it should have kde AND gnome |
| 14:25.19 | pelzi_ | nope. |
| 14:25.28 | wols | Crysis: plenty. you need a swap partition too |
| 14:25.31 | pelzi_ | the JRE takes 200m already |
| 14:25.39 | wols | Crysis: about the size or double of your physical RAM |
| 14:25.44 | abrotman | pelzi_: JRE or JDK ? |
| 14:25.45 | phogg | as I recall, swap files now perform as well as swap partitions |
| 14:25.45 | pelzi_ | but generally 5G is enough. |
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| 14:25.54 | pelzi_ | abrotman: probably JDK, actually |
| 14:25.56 | locke | 200 digital or opical though? |
| 14:25.58 | wols | pelzi_: I don't believe you. JDK: maybe. JRE: no |
| 14:25.59 | abrotman | that's your fault then ;) |
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| 14:26.29 | pelzi_ | but 5G is fine, definitely enough for almost every installation |
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| 14:26.52 | Crysis | I want to install debian on the same HD where is windows, so what need I to do ? Need I to create a partition with windows, and after boot on the debian CD, or Need I to boot on the debian CD and create the partition with ? I have 1 GO of RAM. |
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| 14:27.15 | mosty | crysis: have you read the install guide? |
| 14:27.17 | pelzi_ | you can create a partition in windows. |
| 14:27.28 | abrotman | !ig |
| 14:27.28 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 14:27.31 | pelzi_ | and I do not recommend creating a swap partition bigger than your RAM. |
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| 14:28.14 | Crysis | pelzi_ Can I create all partitions when I install debian ? |
| 14:28.19 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 14:28.24 | pelzi_ | but install Windows first. |
| 14:28.32 | asg | abrotman: "I think if we ship vacation, finger, and sharutils, we can also ship mandatory acess controls in the standard distribution :)" -- Manoj |
| 14:28.46 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:28.47 | pelzi_ | it will be easier that way, because windows overwrites the bootloader making it difficult to get debian woeking again |
| 14:28.59 | abrotman | not really |
| 14:29.05 | Crysis | pelzi_ windows is actually installed, I am on now :p Now what need I to do for have debian ? |
| 14:29.35 | pelzi_ | pop in the install cd, create a partition and install it, but is your windows partition as big as the whole disk? |
| 14:29.52 | phogg | Crysis: you need free, unpartitioned space. Probably you will have to resize your Windows partition down. |
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| 14:30.37 | Crysis | pelzi_, yeah, windows is actually installed on the whole disk |
| 14:31.08 | pelzi_ | yep. then you need to shrink the windows partition before you can install debian. |
| 14:31.21 | Crysis | pelzi_ and how can I do that ? |
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| 14:31.40 | pelzi_ | I have no idea, years since I ever did it... somebody else will know |
| 14:32.37 | Crysis | phogg you know ? |
| 14:33.11 | mosty | crysis: if you're using ntfs for windows, you will probably have to buy software to do it, like partition magic |
| 14:33.14 | phogg | Crysis: if it's fat32 you can used parted from the installer |
| 14:33.55 | pelzi_ | wols: Japanese fonts consume 50 megs, JRE consumes 80 megs, /usr/lib consumes 445 megs. 1.5G is a very small desktop system in the end. |
| 14:34.10 | abrotman | !ntfsresize |
| 14:34.14 | abrotman | !ntfs resize |
| 14:34.15 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs resize is http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html |
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| 14:34.32 | pelzi_ | always make a backup before resizing |
| 14:34.42 | Crysis | mosty I have bought partition magic, I use NTFS but I don't know what I need to do in partition magic, Need I to Create a new EXT3 partition ? |
| 14:34.51 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 14:34.59 | pelzi_ | it is the same what kind of partition you create really |
| 14:35.10 | mosty | crysis: just make some free space, you can do the rest in the installer |
| 14:35.23 | phogg | Crysis: no, just resize the existing partition down to leave however much free space you want at the end of the disk |
| 14:35.24 | Crysis | I can make free space with partition magic ? |
| 14:35.30 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 14:35.36 | pelzi_ | just shrink the windows partition. |
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| 14:35.52 | Crysis | ok I need to reboot |
| 14:35.59 | abrotman | Crysis: use PM to shrink ntfs .. leave |
| 14:36.01 | abrotman | bah |
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| 14:42.46 | enouf | !Looneyday Customer |
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| 14:56.55 | qailer | any debian dude who knows why I get this when trying to log on to an xgl session from gdm?:http://paste.lisp.org/display/28010 |
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| 14:57.58 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:57.59 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 15:04.11 | abrotman | qailer: checked the BTS ? |
| 15:04.57 | qailer | abrotman: What's that? |
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| 15:05.05 | abrotman | !btssmite qailer |
| 15:05.16 | abrotman | guess we don't like that anymore |
| 15:05.18 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:05.21 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:05.26 | abrotman | oh .. he's just being slow |
| 15:05.49 | qailer | ohh, sry, I didn't get that short :) |
| 15:05.58 | qailer | nope, not yet |
| 15:06.58 | Seven_Six_Two | I am using debian sid and my system is unbootable. It can't read some of the files. It started when I was burning a dvd and the system froze. I booted into demudi and mount && chroot into debian's root. This is some of the output I got. I can |
| 15:07.23 | Seven_Six_Two | I can't erase the files that are giving the errors. http://pastebin.com/806991 |
| 15:08.05 | Seven_Six_Two | So I can't update them. I think I've lost this battle. |
| 15:08.53 | Seven_Six_Two | fsck says there are no errors when I scan it |
| 15:09.24 | mosty | are those files set immutable? lsattr |
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| 15:09.58 | cydork | hey which screenshot utility will let me select a area of the screen? ksnapshot does that, but i dont want to install that. :P |
| 15:10.15 | Seven_Six_Two | I get a lot of Input/Output errors |
| 15:10.27 | abrotman | cydork: import it into gimp and edit! |
| 15:10.29 | Seven_Six_Two | I can pastebin that too if you'd like |
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| 15:11.23 | cydork | Seven_Six_Two, say bye to your hd :) |
| 15:11.41 | pelzi_ | is dmesg saying anything |
| 15:11.58 | Seven_Six_Two | SMART says it's ok...I don't think it is ok. |
| 15:11.59 | cydork | abrotman, ya but i am lazy . oh well ! |
| 15:12.09 | wols | Seven_Six_Two: boot a liveCD (knoppix?) and run smartmontools |
| 15:12.12 | mosty | seven_six_two: anything in dmesg? |
| 15:12.14 | wols | if it finds errors. buy a new disk |
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| 15:13.20 | qailer | where is the gdm.conf-custom placed in debian? |
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| 15:14.42 | mosty | qailer, use locate to find out |
| 15:15.08 | pelzi_ | dmesg will tell if the disk is bad |
| 15:15.14 | abrotman | /etc/gdm ? |
| 15:15.20 | tralala | my alt keys in X toggle to the alternative keyboard layout. Is there a way to change this? I couldn't find anything in the setxkbmap manual. |
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| 15:15.30 | qailer | abrotman, it's not there =/ |
| 15:15.36 | qailer | just gdm.conf |
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| 15:15.51 | qailer | thx mosty, I'ld forgot the handy command |
| 15:16.00 | qailer | didn't solve my prob though |
| 15:16.00 | abrotman | handy command ? |
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| 15:16.07 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:16.14 | abrotman | run updatedb first? |
| 15:16.35 | zzz | Hi! I' m trying to use rsync with a remote shell, but how can i define the port to use if it is else than 22? I tried this: rsync --port=20292 -t user@host:/dir . , but it tries to use port 22. user@host:port/dir tries the same ... . Both distros are sarge. |
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| 15:16.46 | zepeuga | i have a centrino duo, should i use a smp version of kernel ? |
| 15:16.53 | qailer | abrotman: locate |
| 15:17.08 | Seven_Six_Two | mosty, dmesg output is not happy: http://pastebin.com/807004 |
| 15:17.28 | abrotman | qailer: i saw |
| 15:17.39 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: stop using pastebin.com |
| 15:17.44 | abrotman | zepeuga: yes |
| 15:17.47 | Seven_Six_Two | why? |
| 15:17.48 | qailer | abrotman: yeah, I saw that you saw after I'ld written :P |
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| 15:18.07 | wols | Seven_Six_Two: cause it's broken |
| 15:18.09 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: it's loads *very* slowly |
| 15:18.17 | Seven_Six_Two | which is better? |
| 15:18.24 | wols | !paster |
| 15:18.24 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:18.27 | enouf | pastebin.ca |
| 15:18.41 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: yeah .com suZXoRz |
| 15:19.06 | enouf | qailer: or find / -name "gdm.conf-*" which may take a while - so |
| 15:19.51 | enouf | qailer: if not root - you'll get a lot of permission denieds too - try each major dir first .. like find /etc ... |
| 15:19.52 | qailer | enouf.. yeah but I'll do it anyway :) |
| 15:19.59 | qailer | I'm root |
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| 15:20.18 | qailer | didn't find any file with such name |
| 15:20.19 | enouf | qailer: or as abrotman eluded .. updatedb |
| 15:20.26 | abrotman | alluded |
| 15:20.31 | qailer | ohh, |
| 15:20.34 | qailer | I missed that |
| 15:21.54 | nvzn | is it legitimate to put a release name in apt.conf under default release? for eg. |
| 15:21.58 | nvzn | APT::Default-Release "etch"; |
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| 15:22.20 | Seven_Six_Two | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4058 |
| 15:22.21 | enouf | nvzn: pretty sure .. yes |
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| 15:22.46 | enouf | nvzn: you mean as opposed to "testing" ?? |
| 15:22.54 | nvzn | enouf: yes, exactly |
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| 15:23.45 | wols | Seven_Six_Two: run smartmontools. reformat disk and reinstall if smartmontools finds no media defects |
| 15:23.48 | enouf | nvzn: since (most) of the repos I've seen all have both names .. I wouldn't think it's an issue ... looked at the man pages? .. google? |
| 15:23.53 | wols | if it does find some: buy a new disk |
| 15:23.59 | nvzn | enouf: yeah, i did |
| 15:24.05 | nvzn | enouf: no indication yet |
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| 15:24.33 | qailer | enouf and abrotman: after doing that I could at least get in contact with some gdm files, but not then ones I wanted =/ |
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| 15:24.44 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 15:24.54 | enouf | nvzn: fwiw .. the diff between "testing" and "etch" in sources.list however means with 'etch', you will automatically become Stable when it's finally released |
| 15:24.59 | abrotman | qailer: why are you looking for that file ? |
| 15:25.06 | nvzn | enouf: thats what i want |
| 15:25.08 | pelzi_ | Seven_Six_Two: the filesystem is completely hosed, the disk should be ok as it is not giving you io errors in dmesg |
| 15:25.16 | nvzn | enouf: since etch is going stable in December |
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| 15:25.28 | abrotman | maybe |
| 15:25.29 | nvzn | enouf: and there are some tools i need that are in it now |
| 15:25.37 | abrotman | don't count on it |
| 15:25.49 | qailer | abrotman: I need to configure gdm to have longer timout so I can get XGL working |
| 15:25.55 | enouf | nvzn: understood .. check hte mailing lists ? and / or keep current with the etch release info |
| 15:26.02 | abrotman | qailer: eh .. that's weird .. |
| 15:26.10 | abrotman | qailer: can't do that from gdmsetup ? |
| 15:26.37 | enouf | gotta go about my looneyday tasks now ... bbl :-) |
| 15:26.48 | john_doe | How can I get a list of all programs installed by apt? |
| 15:26.54 | abrotman | !installed |
| 15:26.54 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 15:27.04 | john_doe | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:27.51 | qailer | abrotman: I'm not sure, I'll give it a test |
| 15:27.52 | qailer | thx |
| 15:27.54 | tralala | All of a sudden my apt is crashing. How do I fix this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/8rR4fw81.html |
| 15:28.43 | abrotman | tralala: tried running memtest ? |
| 15:29.09 | Anarka | does aptitude do the same ? |
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| 15:29.18 | Crysis | re |
| 15:29.20 | Seven_Six_Two | pelzi_, it did when i chroot do /lib and do lsattr |
| 15:29.36 | pelzi_ | in dmesg? |
| 15:30.03 | tralala | abrotman: not yet |
| 15:30.04 | Seven_Six_Two | no, it's at the top of the output, it gave i/o errors in stdout |
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| 15:30.19 | pelzi_ | well that was obvious |
| 15:30.23 | pelzi_ | look at the dmesg |
| 15:30.29 | pelzi_ | the filesystem is hosed |
| 15:30.33 | Crysis | so pelzi_, I> jus |
| 15:30.41 | Seven_Six_Two | attempt to access beyond end of device> |
| 15:30.46 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 15:30.47 | Crysis | I just create a new partition, no 2 partition ( 1 for swap ) ? |
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| 15:30.55 | abrotman | tralala: either way .. i'd back up your data |
| 15:30.58 | pelzi_ | that is not a harddrive failure, it is a hosed fs. |
| 15:31.04 | grendal_prime | whats the word on flash 8? |
| 15:31.18 | Seven_Six_Two | ok. I'll just reinstall and go back to etch where it's a bit safer |
| 15:31.19 | pelzi_ | Crysis: create 2, one for the system and one for swap |
| 15:31.44 | pelzi_ | once you see "uncorrectable read error" you should get a new disk. |
| 15:31.45 | Crysis | ok pelzi_ I resize my C ? |
| 15:31.52 | pelzi_ | Crysis: yes |
| 15:31.53 | tralala | abrotman: it's a brand new installation and I really have nothing to lose but I'm really surprised to see it crashing this way |
| 15:31.57 | pelzi_ | Seven_Six_Two: and do run memtest. |
| 15:32.07 | Seven_Six_Two | pelzi_, ok thanks |
| 15:32.08 | abrotman | !sig11 |
| 15:32.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
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| 15:33.22 | aronofsky | hi , im on testing and i got the following problem : Err http://ftp.debian.org testing/main libpango1.0-dev 1.14.4-2 |
| 15:33.22 | aronofsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.28 | aronofsky | any one got a solution ? |
| 15:33.43 | pelzi_ | apt-get update |
| 15:33.48 | aronofsky | here is my sources.list |
| 15:33.50 | aronofsky | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 15:34.38 | zepeuga | how can i search a list of installed debs ? |
| 15:34.53 | GoAuLd | zepeuga, dpkg --get-selections |
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| 15:35.15 | aronofsky | pelzi_, sorry , im such an idiot .. |
| 15:35.24 | zepeuga | GoAuLd, thx |
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| 15:40.12 | Crysis | re |
| 15:40.25 | Crysis | so now I have 50 go of non prationned space, what need I to do ? |
| 15:40.37 | Crysis | pelzi_ |
| 15:41.00 | mosty | you need to read the install guide |
| 15:41.07 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:41.08 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 15:41.28 | Crysis | I just want to know what need I to do for install windows & linux on the same HD |
| 15:41.48 | abrotman | install linux |
| 15:42.58 | Crysis | I have 50 go of free space now, I can make the SWAP and the normal partition on the installation ? |
| 15:43.25 | dimir | go == GB? |
| 15:43.36 | Anarka | Crysis yep |
| 15:43.40 | asg | dimir: giga-octets? |
| 15:43.51 | Crysis | okay :) |
| 15:44.00 | dimir | asg: no idea. :-) |
| 15:44.10 | Anarka | as long as that free space is really free... and not 50gb free on your windows partition |
| 15:44.13 | asg | dimir: well, a Byte is 8 bits and so is an octet so *shrug* |
| 15:44.43 | dimir | heh |
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| 15:45.16 | dimir | I thought go was gb in French or something. :-P |
| 15:45.32 | dimir | cbr: Tervist! |
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| 15:45.52 | cbr | dimir: tere sullegi |
| 15:45.56 | asg | dimir: could be that also :) |
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| 15:47.13 | pelzi_ | I'd guess it's only english here |
| 15:47.24 | dimir | Crysis: Well, the easiest way would be to install Windows first and GNU/Linux after that. |
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| 15:48.01 | dimir | Ah, there was some discussion befor that. Missed it. |
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| 15:49.08 | zepeuga | i've installed latest linux-image, how can i remove the oldest ? |
| 15:49.10 | dsop | anyone knows about an oss application that allows a group of people to paint over network? |
| 15:49.23 | dimir | zepeuga: with package manager. |
| 15:49.37 | zepeuga | what package manager ? |
| 15:49.44 | pelzi_ | dpkg / apt |
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| 15:49.51 | abrotman | dsop: paint ? like a digital whiteboard ? |
| 15:50.03 | dsop | abrotman, exactly, but accessable over network |
| 15:50.04 | dimir | paint-over-ip? |
| 15:50.50 | dsop | dimir, yes, nice description |
| 15:51.11 | abrotman | dsop: i'm not aware of any in Debian .. check freshmeat |
| 15:51.12 | dimir | Never heard of such, sorry. :-P{ |
| 15:51.22 | Crysis | dimir, Windows is already installed and now I want to install Debian |
| 15:51.55 | dimir | Crysis: just install it. During installation point it to the disk space you want to install it to. |
| 15:52.09 | abrotman | dsop: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=whiteboard§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 |
| 15:52.16 | Crysis | ok dimir and that will create the SWAp partition too ? I just point to install in the free space ? |
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| 15:52.52 | dsop | abrotman, thx a lot, dont know why i dont had the idea before. |
| 15:53.18 | abrotman | dsop: it happens :) |
| 15:53.57 | dimir | Crysis: ye, by default it will create 2 partitions, / and swap. |
| 15:54.06 | dimir | IIRC |
| 15:54.36 | dimir | Crysis: make the swap of a size 1-2 GB. |
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| 15:54.50 | pelzi_ | 1 gig is enough |
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| 15:55.01 | pelzi_ | no point in making a bigger swap, just makes things worse |
| 15:55.01 | Crysis | ok dimir, just a last question, will my USB mouse work with debian ? ( a razer diamondback ) |
| 15:55.13 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:55.23 | Crysis | pelzi_ i have 1 go of RAM |
| 15:55.26 | pelzi_ | if it is a standard usb mouse, yes. |
| 15:55.31 | Crysis | yes it is |
| 15:55.44 | pelzi_ | still, 1 gig of swap is enough. |
| 15:55.54 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 15:56.03 | pelzi_ | if you have more than a gigabyte of stuff swapped away it will slow down to a crawl |
| 15:56.09 | Crysis | ok |
| 15:56.14 | Crysis | OK, I go installation see you :p |
| 15:56.21 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:56.21 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 15:56.23 | elik_debian | Hello, I am getting a Warning with apt-get, something about wrong PUBLIC KEY... I've been reading through forums just finding idiotic (sigh)... I know it's quite easy to solve but don't know how to do so |
| 15:56.43 | abrotman | which key ? |
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| 15:56.57 | elik_debian | W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
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| 15:57.07 | abrotman | yeah .. wrong URL |
| 15:57.13 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 15:57.13 | dpkg | it has been said that testing security is Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch, or ask me about <testing security key> |
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| 15:58.20 | elik_debian | uh, not too sure I get it abrotman |
| 15:58.38 | abrotman | elik_debian: that source line is wrong |
| 15:58.42 | abrotman | the one you're using |
| 15:59.15 | elik_debian | ok |
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| 15:59.20 | elik_debian | I have 2 actually |
| 15:59.24 | elik_debian | deb and deb-src |
| 15:59.29 | elik_debian | do I need this deb-src? |
| 15:59.44 | abrotman | no |
| 15:59.45 | pelzi_ | depends |
| 15:59.47 | elik_debian | I just upgraded from sarge to etch and found those two lines which should be added |
| 15:59.48 | pelzi_ | usually no. |
| 15:59.50 | abrotman | no .. he doesn't |
| 15:59.53 | abrotman | it doesn't work |
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| 15:59.56 | elik_debian | src is for devel I guess |
| 16:00.02 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 16:00.07 | abrotman | it doesn't matter .. that source line is broken |
| 16:00.12 | elik_debian | Then I dont need :P |
| 16:00.17 | abrotman | it has nothing to do with being a developer |
| 16:01.13 | elik_debian | hum, anyway... I removed both previous lines and put in yours |
| 16:01.17 | elik_debian | and it worked |
| 16:01.29 | abrotman | duh |
| 16:03.06 | andrew_p | hello |
| 16:03.34 | elik_debian | !abrotman++ |
| 16:03.44 | abrotman | have a nice day :) |
| 16:03.50 | elik_debian | abrotman, always here to save the day :P |
| 16:03.57 | elik_debian | I knew it was easy |
| 16:04.12 | abrotman | elik_debian: be aware .. there really aren't many security updates for testing |
| 16:04.21 | andrew_p | I am trying to find out how should I enable proxy authentication for apt-get.. are Acquire::http::ProxyLogin "USER user" and Acquire::http::ProxyLogin "PASS password" correct? |
| 16:04.39 | andrew_p | they do not work for both http and ftp |
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| 16:05.40 | Crysis | What need I to do when the installation is finished ? With the ETCH version need I to update anything ? |
| 16:05.58 | blondie | how did you install it? |
| 16:06.00 | abrotman | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 16:06.02 | blondie | from a CD or what |
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| 16:06.16 | blondie | he means apt-get update and apt-get upgrade of course |
| 16:06.20 | Crysis | from the netinst |
| 16:06.20 | abrotman | andreiutz: man apt.conf |
| 16:06.31 | abrotman | blondie: i'm trying to get into recommending aptitude to new people :) |
| 16:06.40 | blondie | Crysis: then no, the packages will already be up-to-date |
| 16:06.46 | blondie | abrotman: why? |
| 16:06.55 | abrotman | blondie: for when they uninstall stuff |
| 16:07.03 | blondie | what do you mean? |
| 16:07.45 | Crysis | and when the install is finished how can I do for go on IRC or on the web ? |
| 16:07.49 | abrotman | let's say you aptitude install OO.o .. but decide you don't like it .. if you used apt-get .. it won't get all the dependencies you grabbed to install it .. but aptitude removal should |
| 16:08.45 | blondie | I see |
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| 16:09.06 | abrotman | !aptitude |
| 16:09.06 | dpkg | [aptitude] a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 16:09.27 | Crysis | What is the first thing I need to do after the installation ? |
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| 16:10.10 | mosty | crysis: install an irc client or web browser |
| 16:10.20 | andrew_p | I've already found an answer to my question :) |
| 16:10.21 | Crysis | mosty and how can I do these things ? |
| 16:10.28 | abrotman | Crysis: do you have a GUI you want ? |
| 16:10.29 | Tallu | apt-get install irssi |
| 16:10.31 | andrew_p | The correct settings are Acquire::http::Proxy "http://user:pass@proxy_host:port" and Acquire::ftp::Proxy "ftp://user:pass@proxy_host:port" |
| 16:10.36 | Crysis | and for firefox ? |
| 16:10.41 | Tallu | mozilla-firefox |
| 16:10.44 | abrotman | Crysis: do you want a GUI ? |
| 16:10.45 | Crysis | yes |
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| 16:10.47 | andrew_p | and unset environmental variables... |
| 16:10.48 | Crysis | what is a GUI ? |
| 16:10.49 | abrotman | Tallu: he installed etch |
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| 16:11.02 | abrotman | Crysis: go to xwinman.org ... pick one you like |
| 16:11.32 | abrotman | Crysis: after you pick one .. ask us how to install it |
| 16:11.37 | Crysis | ok how can I install firefox on the first boot ? |
| 16:11.43 | abrotman | you need to install a GUI |
| 16:11.51 | d0uglas | text-base stuff is for people too lazy to operate a mouse |
| 16:11.52 | abrotman | that's why you should go pick one |
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| 16:12.09 | Crysis | abrotman KDE or Fluxbox ? |
| 16:12.23 | abrotman | pick one |
| 16:12.24 | d0uglas | try them and see |
| 16:12.37 | Crysis | hmm I will begin with KDE |
| 16:12.43 | d0uglas | Crysis: go to #kde and ask which you should use |
| 16:12.46 | abrotman | apt-get install xorg kde firefox |
| 16:12.49 | abrotman | d0uglas: NO |
| 16:13.31 | Crysis | abrotman so I install apt-get install xorg kde firefox, then apt-get install irssi and after I install the rest ? |
| 16:13.45 | abrotman | you can install irssi-text with the other three |
| 16:14.09 | abrotman | so .. apt-get install irssi-text kde xorg firefox |
| 16:14.09 | Crysis | ok abrotman and after how can I launch IRSSI ? |
| 16:14.26 | abrotman | run it from the console or a kterm |
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| 16:14.39 | abrotman | or from kde .. many people use konversation |
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| 16:14.49 | abrotman | as an IRC client i mean |
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| 16:15.15 | d0uglas | bitchx or xbitchx is pretty good too |
| 16:15.20 | abrotman | yeah right |
| 16:15.30 | blondie | the only decent irc client is irssi |
| 16:15.32 | abrotman | so is a yugo |
| 16:15.36 | blondie | bitchx is bloody awfu |
| 16:15.37 | blondie | l |
| 16:15.40 | Crysis | abrotman I just want to first boot and have firefox and IRC and after I will advise for the rest so apt-get install irssi-text kde xorg firefox is good ? |
| 16:15.54 | d0uglas | blondie: what's wrong with bitchx? ... and yugos? |
| 16:16.02 | abrotman | Crysis: if you run the command i just gave you .. hopefully at the next boot you'll have kde and firefox |
| 16:16.19 | abrotman | if you have to ask what is wrong with a yugo .. you're a special kind of person |
| 16:16.22 | blondie | d0uglas: what's right with it? and never heard of "yugos" |
| 16:16.43 | d0uglas | what's right with it? for starters, the name.. isn't that a sweet name? so edgy |
| 16:16.43 | abrotman | blondie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugo |
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| 16:17.32 | blondie | abrotman: I knew about the cars, but thought this was some irc client? |
| 16:17.38 | abrotman | d0uglas: so freaking stupid .. |
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| 16:20.08 | blondie | aww, no retarded quit message |
| 16:20.24 | blondie | bitchx is just an irssi wannabe |
| 16:20.44 | d0uglas | he could always telnet to port 6667 on an irc server, googling rfc 1459 if he has any trouble |
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| 16:21.36 | abrotman | you could have just asked! |
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| 16:21.59 | blondie | abrotman: why ask when I can just /ctcp abrotman version? |
| 16:22.02 | blondie | :> |
| 16:22.05 | abrotman | cause it's evil |
| 16:22.12 | blondie | how? |
| 16:22.20 | blondie | disable it if you don't like it :S |
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| 16:22.28 | blondie | the_Cat: MEW! |
| 16:22.29 | d0uglas | people don't take kindly to being versioned here |
| 16:22.32 | eusto | what do i need to install in order to run smbmount? |
| 16:22.50 | d0uglas | eusto: komba2 may make your life easier |
| 16:22.50 | the_Cat | blondie; MEOW |
| 16:23.01 | elik_debian | abrotman, sry, I didnt get your message |
| 16:23.13 | elik_debian | abrotman, there are more updates on sarge? or sid? |
| 16:23.13 | lunitik | SMB4K > Komba2 |
| 16:23.27 | d0uglas | lunitik: true. |
| 16:23.28 | lunitik | d0uglas: tried smb4k? |
| 16:23.31 | abrotman | elik_debian: for security .. probably sarge .. sid's are probably incidental |
| 16:23.42 | eusto | d0uglas: thanks |
| 16:23.45 | d0uglas | i took it for a spin |
| 16:23.45 | blondie | abrotman: at least I didn't version the whole channel :D |
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| 16:23.57 | abrotman | blondie: no . that'd get you kicked probably :) |
| 16:24.28 | eusto | d0uglas: but really...i've done an "aptitude install samba", is smbmount not a part of this package? |
| 16:24.36 | lunitik | d0uglas: very nice... not that I'm complaining about komba... also, smbclient + smbfs ... konqueror does a good job on its own (via smb:/) |
| 16:24.39 | d0uglas | <-- not qualified to answer |
| 16:24.51 | azeem | eusto: packages.debian.org can answer that question |
| 16:24.56 | lunitik | eusto: smbclient |
| 16:24.58 | elik_debian | abrotman, I'm not tooo worried about security, but please, don't attack me ;) |
| 16:25.10 | elik_debian | abrotman, remember I raised your karma :P |
| 16:25.13 | blondie | elik_debian wants h4x0ring? |
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| 16:25.18 | eusto | lunitik: that one too |
| 16:25.24 | phogg | setiathome is an official debian package, right? Not something I grabbed from a third party server? |
| 16:25.55 | elik_debian | blondie, I dont mind, I'll just pull the plug for a while :P |
| 16:26.10 | lunitik | phogg: its not in the archive.... |
| 16:26.16 | blondie | phogg: no |
| 16:26.16 | elik_debian | blondie, that's the best security I know |
| 16:26.19 | eusto | but ...really...if you spell it smbclent it won't work...sorry, i'm an idiot |
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| 16:26.29 | phogg | hmm |
| 16:26.33 | lunitik | eusto: hah |
| 16:26.39 | MoRLoCh | Hi, anyone is having issue with hal in etch since last update, yesterday? |
| 16:26.41 | blondie | phogg: setiathome is only available from them iirc |
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| 16:26.46 | d0uglas | can i spoof identd to irc as root without anybody getting all worked up about it? |
| 16:26.53 | blondie | elik_debian: but not very useful |
| 16:26.58 | blondie | d0uglas: what for? |
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| 16:27.05 | d0uglas | just kidding |
| 16:27.08 | bykte | anyway to sort a textfile removing duplicates in linux? |
| 16:27.09 | d0uglas | i'm on a roll today |
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| 16:27.21 | elik_debian | bykte, yes |
| 16:27.28 | blondie | OMG a Mirc N00B!!! |
| 16:27.33 | bykte | i tried uniq -u abc.txt |
| 16:27.35 | d0uglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.37 | bykte | it just stay there |
| 16:27.55 | elik_debian | bykte "sort <abc.txt |uniq" |
| 16:28.08 | bykte | oh... |
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| 16:28.10 | elik_debian | result is printed on output |
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| 16:28.17 | bykte | ok thanks will try |
| 16:28.21 | elik_debian | bykte "sort <abc.txt |uniq >new.txt" |
| 16:28.33 | elik_debian | bykte, will send to new file |
| 16:28.49 | DlRotaru | hey guys, I have just installed ETCH with Desktop Environment. Where can I change the grub configuration file instead of editing the file? I remember there was some option in the menu ... |
| 16:28.54 | wols | sort <abc.txt? |
| 16:28.57 | phogg | There is a setiathome package in sarge/congrib |
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| 16:29.18 | d0uglas | You know what's sweet? xmms2. you gotta be a badass command line hacker, not for n00bz |
| 16:29.23 | elik_debian | wols, yea... stream redirection? |
| 16:29.26 | Crysis | I just burn the ISO on a CD with Nero ? |
| 16:29.35 | elik_debian | wols, wont it simply take abc.txt as input? |
| 16:29.36 | lunitik | d0uglas: amarok > |
| 16:30.05 | lunitik | Crysis: umm... sure? |
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| 16:30.13 | Crysis | ok lunitik |
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| 16:31.19 | Con-fuze-ed | Is anyone here good with parted... I am trying to create a partion that starts at sector X and runs to end of the disk... according to the man page... I do this by: parted /dev/hda mkpart primary NTFS STARTSECs -1s... the -1s doesn't work though. |
| 16:31.22 | d0uglas | Crysis: to burn isos with win, try http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/v1.htm which lets you right click on the icon of an iso to fire it up. small, simple program |
| 16:31.50 | elik_debian | wols, wel... I guess you could just give it a file name... |
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| 16:34.11 | d0uglas | do verizon wireless cards work all right with linux? in addition to whatever drivers you need, is it a pppoe kinda thing? |
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| 16:35.53 | Con-fuze-ed | Nevermind... I found out the answer |
| 16:36.13 | wols | elik_debian: good plan |
| 16:36.38 | wols | elik_debian: and if you must use stdin: cat abc.txt | sort |
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| 16:37.10 | elik_debian | woah, he used cat |
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| 16:37.53 | Crysis | Ok thanks d0uglas |
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| 16:38.25 | wols | elik_debian: that's not the award. some people will know |
| 16:38.41 | d0uglas | Crysis: welcome to debian bro.. the installation is a guaranteed fun-filled adventure, i just hope you have a lot of time and amphetamines on your hands |
| 16:38.44 | elik_debian | I can't give the award, I'm no judge... |
| 16:38.47 | wols | elik_debian: http://www.google.de/search?q=useless+use+of+cat+award&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official |
| 16:38.53 | abrotman | !uuoc wols |
| 16:39.01 | elik_debian | oh! |
| 16:39.04 | elik_debian | I see |
| 16:39.34 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: usually wireless cell data cards are visible as usb serial ports and do work using ppp. |
| 16:39.53 | elik_debian | wols, wish I would have used cat :( |
| 16:39.54 | pelzi_ | at least the vodafone thingies work here, no idea about verizon |
| 16:39.58 | d0uglas | pelzi_: thanks |
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| 16:41.01 | d0uglas | how the hell does google plan to make any money rolling out free wifi over cities.. data mining can't be that profitable can it |
| 16:41.26 | abrotman | d0uglas: noone cares ? |
| 16:41.27 | Crysis | lol d0uglas ok |
| 16:41.49 | hjubal | when I boot my custom kernel 2.6.16-2 i get "kernel panic - not syncing : VFS: unable to mount root FS on unknown-block (0, 0)" but I compiled static ext2 & 3 support for my partitions and don't user initrd |
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| 16:41.56 | d0uglas | Crysis: if you have a fast connection go for the business card iso |
| 16:42.07 | abrotman | hjubal: why are you compiling kernels ? |
| 16:42.21 | Crysis | d0uglas i have burned the netinst but I have a fast connection |
| 16:42.40 | Crysis | Bye bye I go installation :) |
| 16:42.40 | d0uglas | did you use that thing i recommended? |
| 16:42.48 | d0uglas | good luck |
| 16:42.58 | d0uglas | see you in 16 hours |
| 16:43.06 | Crysis | LOL 16 hours ? |
| 16:43.15 | d0uglas | just kidding it goes smoothly 99% of the time |
| 16:43.18 | abrotman | it takes 15 minutes for a normal person .. takes d0uglas 16 hours |
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| 16:43.24 | Crysis | XD ok |
| 16:43.33 | Crysis | I have a core 2 duo and a 8 MBPS connection ;) |
| 16:43.42 | hjubal | hi abrotman, because there's no nvidia module in etch.. and official nvidia driver doesn't work in my system |
| 16:43.58 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 16:43.58 | Crysis | see you |
| 16:43.58 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 16:44.07 | tarzeau | hjubal: official nvidia don't work? works fine for me |
| 16:44.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:44.09 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:44.16 | rhsanborn | Alright, I'm trying to read data off a GPS device to use with gpsman. But it says that my user needs ownership of the serial port. Anyone know how to transfer ownership? |
| 16:44.37 | abrotman | chown |
| 16:44.39 | d0uglas | rhsanborn: chown |
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| 16:44.43 | pelzi_ | nope |
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| 16:44.49 | hjubal | tarzeau, ok, not for me :( I installed official driver, loaded nvidia module |
| 16:44.55 | rhsanborn | What is the name of the serial port? |
| 16:44.55 | pelzi_ | usually you need to add yourself to the "dialout" group |
| 16:45.00 | abrotman | you tell us |
| 16:45.00 | Triona | is the BTS lagged right now? |
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| 16:45.08 | pelzi_ | you do not need to change the mode of the serial port. |
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| 16:45.20 | hjubal | tarzeau, xorg don't start unless I comment out glx |
| 16:45.29 | tarzeau | hjubal: so it's not fast? |
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| 16:45.41 | tarzeau | hjubal: i also did, and it works: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 16:45.46 | quoth | im trying to apt-get gnome but apt-get proposes to install bittornado, evolution and other stuff I don't want, how can I exclude certain packages and install just the barebone gnome? |
| 16:45.50 | itchi | If i start the samba server. How can i see that it's been running? ps aux | grep samba? Look that he no more will run |
| 16:46.00 | quoth | itchi look for nmbd and smbd |
| 16:46.05 | rhsanborn | pelzi_, will try that, thx |
| 16:46.14 | d0uglas | any legal precedents for being liable for what other people send through your tor node? |
| 16:46.15 | quoth | itchi and see if netstat -an has the necessary open ports open |
| 16:46.29 | itchi | quoth: Thanks gona look to it |
| 16:46.33 | syntaxx | im having a problem in my tvtime it says cannot open capture device /dev/video0 it works awhile ago but not im getting that error anyone know how to fix it? |
| 16:46.41 | abrotman | d0uglas: if you're htat concerned about it .. turn it off |
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| 16:46.52 | pelzi_ | if you do not know what is passing through your tor node you can't be punished very strongly, but it can be illegal. |
| 16:47.01 | pelzi_ | afaik it has not been tested in court |
| 16:47.10 | itchi | syntaxx: Have you the /dev/video0 device? Maybe it's /dev/video or /dev/video1?? |
| 16:47.42 | hjubal | anyway.. I'd like to understand why I get "kernel panic - not syncing ...", It's not the 1st time I use a custom kernel |
| 16:47.47 | syntaxx | itchi, i think i have.. it works awhile ago but after i moved my pc and reboot im getting that error |
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| 16:48.04 | itchi | syntaxx: Then you need to specify the device -d, --device=DEVICE video4linux device (defaults to /dev/video0). |
| 16:48.08 | abrotman | hjubal: you missed something |
| 16:48.38 | itchi | syntaxx: Your module is been loaded? |
| 16:49.02 | syntaxx | itchi, yes |
| 16:49.02 | hjubal | abrotman, sure.. I just wondering what's the matter.. |
| 16:49.22 | itchi | syntaxx: It's not only with tvtime that he complain about it? |
| 16:49.36 | syntaxx | itchi, bttv: driver version 0.9.15 loaded on dmesg |
| 16:49.39 | niles | gang. |
| 16:49.41 | itchi | syntaxx: And have you that device? (sure you have) |
| 16:49.44 | hjubal | abrotman, it seems not being able to mount fs, but it's an ext3 |
| 16:49.47 | niles | when i forward a particular application through a SOCKSv5 proxy, via ssh -g -D 1080 , the ssh client says channel 47: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused. |
| 16:49.50 | abrotman | hjubal: start with a working config |
| 16:49.52 | niles | but only for that particular application. not when i forward x-chat through. |
| 16:50.24 | quoth | im trying to apt-get gnome but apt-get proposes to install bittornado, evolution and other stuff I don't want, how can I exclude certain packages and install just the barebone gnome? |
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| 16:50.35 | syntaxx | itchi, i dont know whats wrong in my capture card.. i just moved my pc on the different location and now im getting those |
| 16:50.44 | d0uglas | i know in germany there was a big tor sting but hadn't heard anything about something similar happening in the us. i guess for now tor is too obscure for anyone to care |
| 16:50.47 | itchi | quoth: There are 3 meta packages for gnome |
| 16:51.05 | itchi | syntaxx: Black magie?? |
| 16:51.14 | syntaxx | itchi, what is that? |
| 16:51.43 | itchi | syntaxx: First check 'ls /dev/video*' to see if you have the device |
| 16:52.02 | syntaxx | itchi, no such file or directory |
| 16:52.03 | itchi | syntaxx: You have not confirm that you have it. Just think that you have it |
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| 16:52.37 | itchi | syntaxx: Okay, unload the module an reload it? And check dmesg for eventually error |
| 16:53.09 | elik_debian | hey wols, I'm reading a bash tutorial and found this nice example: cat big.jpg | djpeg | pnmscale -pixels 150000 | cjpeg > small.jpg |
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| 16:53.14 | quoth | itchi go on |
| 16:53.17 | itchi | quoth: Look to /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 16:53.45 | quoth | thanks |
| 16:53.55 | itchi | quoth: You too ;-P |
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| 16:54.06 | quoth | hehe |
| 16:54.09 | itchi | Is it normal that when i stop the samba service i get Stopping Samba daemons: nmbd smbdstart-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 3748: No such process ? |
| 16:54.12 | syntaxx | itchi, how to unload the module? |
| 16:54.21 | birdfish | What command would I issue in order to check how much ram is currently being used? |
| 16:54.41 | itchi | syntaxx: rmmod |
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| 16:55.08 | Tobizaz | how do i find the .config file in the pre-made kernel i downloaded via apt ? |
| 16:55.12 | itchi | Crazy win32 box, arg, sad day, XP install today, more an more hate it :-) |
| 16:55.15 | cahoot | birdfish, try free |
| 16:55.52 | syntaxx | itchi, now its loaded and im still having the error |
| 16:56.08 | itchi | syntaxx: Have you get some error when loading it? |
| 16:56.17 | birdfish | cahoot: thanks bud. and one more thing. is there also a command to check processor percentages or something like it? |
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| 16:56.18 | itchi | Tobizaz: Look in /boot |
| 16:56.28 | cahoot | birdfish, try top |
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| 16:56.51 | itchi | birdfish: Also try the -h or --help switch, thinking to free without it |
| 16:56.51 | birdfish | cahoot: thanks a bunch! =] |
| 16:57.10 | syntaxx | itchi, none dmesg | grep bttv says driver version 0.9.15 loaded using 8 buffers with 2080k (520 pages) for each capture |
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| 16:57.22 | birdfish | itchi: sure thing =) |
| 16:58.00 | itchi | birdfish: I guess free without -m will be are a bit crazy some time :-p |
| 16:58.03 | Crysis | I have burned the ISO with burn a ISO in Nero 7, When i clic on it on windows that launch a page, but when I reboot that don't boot on it, my BIOS is good for boot device |
| 16:58.09 | itchi | syntaxx: I not directly know how it comme |
| 16:58.20 | itchi | syntaxx: Gona look a bit here how it's .. |
| 16:58.55 | itchi | syntaxx: bttv use the module bt878, maybe need to unload and load it again?? |
| 16:59.04 | itchi | syntaxx: I guess you have already rebooted? |
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| 16:59.29 | syntaxx | itchi, yeah i already rebooted |
| 16:59.37 | Crysis | I have burned the ISO with burn a ISO in Nero 7, When i clic on it on windows that launch a page, but when I reboot that don't boot on it, my BIOS is good for boot device |
| 17:00.02 | dvs | Crysis: do you see an ISO file when you try and browse the CD? |
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| 17:00.22 | Crysis | dvs : no I see .disk, install, dists etc |
| 17:00.24 | itchi | Crysis: You have not drag an drop that image on the cd? The cd not contain only on *.iso file? |
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| 17:00.47 | Crysis | no I see .disk, install, dists, pics, etc.. |
| 17:00.56 | abrotman | what speed ? |
| 17:01.08 | Crysis | hmm 4x |
| 17:01.08 | itchi | syntaxx: I not know how it come |
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| 17:01.22 | darek | hi |
| 17:01.25 | struct | greetings |
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| 17:01.29 | birdfish | So it looks to me that debian is still really active. For some reason, I had heard that the debian crew stopped developement |
| 17:01.36 | itchi | syntaxx: Which card brand and model is it? |
| 17:01.39 | syntaxx | itchi, last time it happens the when i plugged my usb bluetooth.. and the only thing to do is reinstall but i dnt want to do it now |
| 17:01.43 | syntaxx | itchi, pinnacle |
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| 17:01.48 | struct | birdfish: ? |
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| 17:01.57 | Crysis | sp dvs or abrotman what need I to do ? |
| 17:02.01 | birdfish | I installed ubuntu instead, and their crew is never anywhere near as helpful with management issues as you guys are =( |
| 17:02.10 | Bombo | where is the /etc/init.d/ntpdate script in etch? i always used that when i had woody installed |
| 17:02.13 | dvs | Crysis: I'd check the MD5 sum of the ISO file |
| 17:02.19 | itchi | syntaxx: Is that the brand and model name? Is that not an name of software? |
| 17:02.19 | struct | Bombo: its been removed |
| 17:02.22 | birdfish | Not to start a war, but how is debian as a server? I'm thinking of switching. |
| 17:02.27 | Bombo | struct: replaced by? |
| 17:02.30 | struct | Bombo: do you want your time auto synced? |
| 17:02.38 | wols | birdfish: stop trolling please |
| 17:02.52 | itchi | birdfish: Debian in general, is _the_ best at my eyes if you want to know |
| 17:02.56 | birdfish | wols: no really. I'm not trolling. I'd just like to know |
| 17:02.57 | Bombo | struct: i had this script in my ip-up |
| 17:03.03 | struct | Bombo: its just been removed from the package |
| 17:03.10 | struct | Bombo: the 'ntp' package syncs time now |
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| 17:03.22 | syntaxx | itchi, name of the software is tvtime the capture card is pinnacle.. i forgot the version though but i bought it almost 3yrs ago |
| 17:03.24 | itchi | birdfish: Sure no one here are going to say that it's bad |
| 17:03.24 | Bombo | struct: but i also want to be able top synch time manually |
| 17:03.25 | lunitik | ntpdate is all most likely need |
| 17:03.28 | birdfish | itchi: is it much more difficult than a beginner os like ubuntu? |
| 17:03.32 | wols | birdfish: you were just trolling. disparaging some project and then wanting help from it afterwards is a dumb idea |
| 17:03.34 | birdfish | itchi: yes, granted |
| 17:03.39 | d0uglas | dateline should do an expose on ftp and how crazy the protocol is |
| 17:03.41 | struct | Bombo: you can still use ntpdate for that |
| 17:03.48 | lunitik | birdfish: you might have to think a little more... yes |
| 17:04.02 | struct | Bombo: look in /usr/share/doc/ntpdate and it will tell you about what happened |
| 17:04.10 | itchi | birdfish: Ubuntu is Debian bassed with some little modifications. Yes it is easier maybe. Depend if you are an clicker or cli guy |
| 17:04.20 | Bombo | $ ntpdate time.fu-berlin.de |
| 17:04.20 | Bombo | 15 Oct 19:05:59 ntpdate[8034]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 17:04.23 | Bombo | hmmm |
| 17:04.37 | Bombo | this is the server i always used |
| 17:04.39 | itchi | syntaxx: I have here an Hercule Smart tv 2 |
| 17:04.48 | birdfish | wols: Okay, never again. I was actually just somewhat excited about you guys still being active... A couple of my friends had raved about debian in the past... |
| 17:04.58 | itchi | syntaxx: I guess there are differents type of pinacles things |
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| 17:05.09 | Crysis | re |
| 17:05.14 | Crysis | where can I have the md5sum ? |
| 17:05.14 | birdfish | itchi: I don't even install the gui. Definitely a cli guy :D |
| 17:05.22 | syntaxx | itchi, but the problem it works before and now it doesnt |
| 17:05.23 | d0uglas | nobody's checking what i /msg to dpkg, right? because if it got out, everybody would know just how big a noob i really am.. there should be some encryption offered |
| 17:05.28 | struct | with aptitude when I dist-upgrade I do not get any warnings about untrusted packages but if I try to install a package individually I get a warning and have to type 'Yes' to proceed |
| 17:05.40 | struct | I have the debian archive key installed |
| 17:05.44 | Crysis | hmm i have found := |
| 17:05.44 | struct | is there something else I need? |
| 17:05.48 | cahoot | d0uglas, it's all logged |
| 17:05.58 | itchi | syntaxx: Yeah, otherwise you are not complaining about it here ;-) Did you an kernel update? Can you pastebin the output of lspci? |
| 17:06.01 | wols | d0uglas: any router admin on the way and the freenode staff and the bot owner can check :) |
| 17:06.06 | lunitik | birdfish: Debian will always be active... Ubuntu, Linspire, Xandros, Knoppix, Mepis... too many people depend on Debian and pay people to work on it... not to mention passionate hobbiests |
| 17:06.09 | wols | d0uglas: but don't worry: they won't |
| 17:06.17 | dvs | Crysis: wherever you downloade the iso from |
| 17:06.20 | syntaxx | itchi, no i havent update any kernel for awhile imma get the lspci output |
| 17:06.37 | itchi | birdfish: Take Debian, so you are directly on the right way. Consider Ubuntu for your friends that want an easy to use alternative |
| 17:06.40 | d0uglas | struct: the -y flag lets you avoid those annoying yes/no questions |
| 17:06.48 | Crysis | dvs with which application can I check it ? |
| 17:06.52 | struct | d0uglas: I dont want to avoid the questions |
| 17:07.00 | dvs | Crysis: md5sum |
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| 17:07.09 | struct | I want to have whatever in place so I do not get the warning because there is no reason to warn |
| 17:07.24 | struct | I am assuming the debian archive key is not good enough |
| 17:07.29 | struct | or there is some bug maybe |
| 17:07.30 | wols | Crysis: apt-cache |
| 17:07.30 | wols | oops |
| 17:07.30 | wols | Crysis: just run md5sum |
| 17:07.32 | stoned | I upgraded my sid laptop after like 6 months |
| 17:07.34 | stoned | lol |
| 17:07.36 | wols | Bombo: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 17:07.49 | d0uglas | as with pop ups, if you apt-get enough in life you begin to not even notice the confirmations |
| 17:08.01 | dvs | stoned: That deserves a beer!. How many packages did it update? |
| 17:08.06 | zepeuga | when installing ipw3945 kernel i have this error "sed: can't read /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent: No such file or directory" how can i solve it ? |
| 17:08.09 | syntaxx | itchi, http://pastebin.ca/204066 |
| 17:08.12 | stoned | 500+mb |
| 17:08.17 | stoned | or around there |
| 17:08.19 | dvs | o_O |
| 17:08.21 | Bombo | $ ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 17:08.21 | Bombo | 15 Oct 19:15:21 ntpdate[8094]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 17:08.31 | Bombo | wols: ;/ |
| 17:08.35 | Crysis | on windows md5sum ? |
| 17:08.40 | syntaxx | itchi, i think in lspci it doesnt load the card though |
| 17:08.50 | birdfish | itchi: I'm surfing for the download link right now =] BTW, current is the stable branch, right? (not the cutting edge unstable branch?) |
| 17:09.35 | wols | 15 Oct 19:08:41 ntpdate[16769]: step time server 194.97.156.5 offset -1.353653 sec |
| 17:09.35 | stoned | just restarted too, lets hope it comes back |
| 17:09.35 | stoned | lol |
| 17:09.35 | lunitik | !lol |
| 17:09.35 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:09.35 | stoned | thing is, screen is broke, I have to ssh into the box and ssh X in order to do anything on it |
| 17:09.35 | stoned | 1.8ghz, 1gb ram, decent machine |
| 17:09.35 | Crysis | where can I get md5sum for windows please ? |
| 17:09.35 | stoned | lunitik, I have an idea |
| 17:09.40 | stoned | go fuck yourself |
| 17:09.41 | wols | stoned: no one needs X to admin stuff |
| 17:09.50 | stoned | wols, I run apps on it |
| 17:09.56 | lunitik | stoned: don't you have a blunt to smoke? |
| 17:10.00 | stoned | the nasty ones, like flash, java, limewire etc. |
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| 17:10.36 | stoned | I try to keep that off my main destkop |
| 17:10.36 | bariel | is there any mirror for security.debian.org? the site seems to be down |
| 17:10.36 | struct | wols: what exactly I am trying to say is that I have key 2D230C5F already installed with apt-key |
| 17:10.36 | d0uglas | Hey now stoned no need for the profanity |
| 17:10.36 | Crysis | hmm I have found, Yes my MD5Sum is good but that doesnt boot on it :/ On the boot that read the CD but don't boot :( |
| 17:10.43 | struct | wols: however if I do say aptitude install foo I get warnings about untrusted packages |
| 17:10.47 | stoned | d0uglas, perhaps |
| 17:10.50 | wols | Crysis: what does it say and how did you boot it? |
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| 17:10.51 | birdfish | Hold on, nevermind. I found the stable images for the net installer |
| 17:10.55 | struct | wols: why would that happen if I have the key installed? |
| 17:11.21 | struct | and why do I not get the warning when I do aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:11.22 | wols | struct: you haven't isntalled it properly or they key for one of your repos is missin |
| 17:11.25 | stew | struct: have you run "apt-get update" since adding the key? |
| 17:11.25 | Crysis | wols I selected to boot on it in my bios, that doesnt say anything that just boot on windows |
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| 17:11.37 | struct | stew: yes |
| 17:11.37 | bariel | hmm, seems there is not |
| 17:11.42 | wols | Crysis: what file is on the CD? |
| 17:11.46 | struct | I have had this key installed for some time |
| 17:11.48 | wols | in its root dir |
| 17:11.52 | struct | maybe it is missing from the mirror |
| 17:12.08 | d0uglas | you can convey anger and frustration with creative /me lines involving smacking with various trouts and there are some cute ! zingers to get dpkg to say something witty |
| 17:12.27 | Crysis | wols there is .diks, dits, pics, doc, isolinux, ... |
| 17:12.54 | wols | sounds right then. will other CDs boot? e.g. your windows CD? |
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| 17:13.01 | Crysis | no wols |
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| 17:13.12 | wols | then it's your machine/BIOS settings. fix them |
| 17:13.15 | Crysis | hmmmmmmm Maybe I have found |
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| 17:13.18 | stoned | d0uglas, wits bah, I go with the direct approach. |
| 17:13.18 | Crysis | reboot need :p |
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| 17:13.25 | stoned | I don't have time for subtleties |
| 17:13.26 | d0uglas | each to his own |
| 17:13.35 | stoned | indeed |
| 17:13.38 | stoned | laptop came back up |
| 17:13.41 | stoned | yippy! |
| 17:13.45 | wols | d0uglas: too much mary jane and even the most resilient braincell dies |
| 17:13.46 | dvs | !beer stoned |
| 17:13.52 | d0uglas | laptop? you mean notebook? |
| 17:14.04 | stoned | no, I meant laptop |
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| 17:14.43 | zepeuga | To install ipw3945 i have to do this "% DIR=$(sed -ne "s:^FIRMWARE_DIR=\([^, ]*\).*:\1:p" \ |
| 17:14.44 | zepeuga | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:15.22 | stoned | where do I rep |
| 17:15.23 | d0uglas | is there a cli program to guess where a host is sort of like xtraceroute but without the 3D earth technology? |
| 17:15.31 | stoned | constant verbal abuse in private from lunitik |
| 17:15.41 | stoned | this is ridiculous |
| 17:15.44 | stoned | im out |
| 17:16.08 | Braindead | you stalker! leave the poor boy alone!!!1one |
| 17:16.09 | dvs | stoned: /ignore is your friend |
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| 17:16.15 | stoned | yes it is |
| 17:16.20 | lunitik | dvs: thats what my message asked him to do |
| 17:16.22 | wols | struct: ops? |
| 17:16.23 | d0uglas | lunitik: /msging people here is tantamount to pinging or versioning them |
| 17:16.32 | d0uglas | invasion of privacy kind of thing |
| 17:16.34 | stoned | he cares not |
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| 17:16.34 | jair | guys, i am trying to kill a ssh process but not kill the sshd server... I am trying this: root 5580 5430 0 Oct14 pts/1 00:00:00 ssh -p 35 user@ipaddress |
| 17:16.49 | dvs | lunitik: I believe you. |
| 17:16.50 | lunitik | d0uglas: whatever, it was nothing to do with #debian |
| 17:16.53 | stoned | hes been banned here before |
| 17:17.00 | stoned | I wonder why he continues to do stupid things |
| 17:17.04 | wols | jair: killall ssh |
| 17:17.38 | zepeuga | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.40 | stoned | Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
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| 17:17.44 | itchi | birdfish: Sorry i was away of my box |
| 17:17.45 | stoned | thats cool, upon login |
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| 17:17.58 | itchi | syntaxx: It's been an pci tv card? |
| 17:18.10 | syntaxx | itchi, yes |
| 17:18.22 | itchi | stoned: If you paid somethings, you get the same message |
| 17:18.31 | stoned | hehe |
| 17:18.39 | stoned | I don't want a warranty |
| 17:18.55 | stoned | #debian is warranty enough, I suppose |
| 17:19.15 | wols | zepeuga: install the firmware |
| 17:19.16 | itchi | stoned: The good stuff it is already an warranty |
| 17:19.26 | itchi | syntaxx: Maybe you have an hardware trouble? |
| 17:19.33 | wols | zepeuga: and if you ask how now: go read the docs |
| 17:19.47 | struct | hhmmm seems to only happen with certain packages |
| 17:19.48 | itchi | syntaxx: The /var/log/messages tells somethings about it? |
| 17:19.49 | zepeuga | wols, ive resolved installing hotplug |
| 17:20.11 | wols | you resolved what? |
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| 17:20.37 | syntaxx | itchi, none at all |
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| 17:21.07 | syntaxx | itchi, before my third reboot im getting irc lockup something |
| 17:21.23 | itchi | syntaxx: ugh, irc lockup?? |
| 17:21.41 | syntaxx | itchi, irq lockup rather |
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| 17:22.16 | wols | syntaxx: sounds like a working TV card to me |
| 17:22.18 | itchi | syntaxx: Maybe need you to specify an irq to use when you load the module? |
| 17:22.28 | wols | they're notorious for irq and pci probs |
| 17:22.50 | syntaxx | wols, yeah its working awhile ago i just moved my pc elsewhere before it happens |
| 17:22.52 | itchi | wols: Normally that's been managed by the kernel |
| 17:23.06 | itchi | wols: Sorry it's an '?' |
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| 17:23.30 | d0uglas | how does xtraceroute know where routers are (albeit about 5% of them)? does it check some database or do some routers respond to some kind of queries? and how is it that the web based http://visualroute.visualware.com/ seems to know considerably more routers' locations? |
| 17:24.09 | syntaxx | itchi, do you think my card loosen up when i tried to connect the cable tv? |
| 17:24.14 | wols | itchi: it's managed by the chipset/BIOS/PCB layout on mobo normally |
| 17:24.41 | syntaxx | itchi, but it happened a week ago and the only solution is to reinstall my system =/ |
| 17:25.08 | wols | syntaxx: what did you change back then? |
| 17:25.16 | itchi | syntaxx: Here when i remove or plug the tv cable, the computer freeze |
| 17:25.44 | syntaxx | wols, nothing i turned off my pc and just moved it to another location |
| 17:25.47 | d0uglas | do acpi power saving applications that regulate cpu juice lag a bit when shifting into high gear when needed? or is there no reason not to run it even when plugged in |
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| 17:27.19 | syntaxx | itchi, i havent tried to remove the tv cable when my computer or the software is on |
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| 17:27.40 | itchi | syntaxx: I know when my wife have take it ;-) |
| 17:27.49 | d0uglas | what up pppoe dude? |
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| 17:28.42 | mbn_18 | hello, is it possible to give 2 local domain names to single computer using the file hosts ? |
| 17:28.43 | dvs | !pppoe |
| 17:28.44 | dpkg | hmm... pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 17:28.50 | enouf | d0uglas: wtf? are you cutting and pasting from posted questions from some winluser forum or someshit? |
| 17:29.01 | enouf | dvs hee ..that's the nick |
| 17:29.07 | dvs | oh? |
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| 17:29.11 | dvs | .... |
| 17:29.12 | d0uglas | enouf: woah, such tecnology exists?? |
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| 17:29.39 | enouf | d0uglas: simply amazing .. ain't it? |
| 17:29.54 | wols | mbn_18: yes |
| 17:29.59 | syntaxx | itchi, well i hope i dont need to reinstall my system =/ |
| 17:30.07 | d0uglas | didn't know you could cut and paste with linux yet.. that must be in the "experimental" distros |
| 17:30.25 | enouf | dvs: albeit - improper nick at that (missing the _ ) |
| 17:30.30 | zepeuga | can somebody help me ? i have this error doing "./load debug=0", when installing ipw3945 module http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qKVV3L22.htmlhttp://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qKVV3L22.html |
| 17:30.31 | mbn_18 | wols, seems like multiply lines for same IP dotn work for me |
| 17:30.39 | itchi | syntaxx: As least sollution, screw your computer and put it in another pci slot?? |
| 17:30.46 | wols | d0uglas: non-idiot users could do it for a LONG time now. good to see you finally catched up at least with this feature |
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| 17:30.58 | wols | mbn_18: cause it's the wrong way to do it |
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| 17:31.14 | d0uglas | it's things like this that compel me to run sid |
| 17:31.15 | wols | mbn_18: man hosts |
| 17:31.16 | enouf | d0uglas: you're not a cvery good troll .. run along to mommy and have her spank you some more.. that'll perk your nips -- then you'll be worth something here :-) |
| 17:31.18 | mbn_18 | wols, that what i tohught. what is the correct way ? |
| 17:31.25 | itchi | wols: When pci hardware is not showed up with lspci. What's gone with it? |
| 17:31.27 | syntaxx | itchi, well i might try it.. for awhile need to fcked this up hehe |
| 17:31.37 | d0uglas | all right i'll give it a rest |
| 17:31.41 | wols | itchi: it's dead/broken |
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| 17:31.54 | wols | itchi: at least its PCIIDs must show |
| 17:31.57 | mbn_18 | wols, found it. just add TAB and the new nick |
| 17:31.57 | enouf | it's Gold! I tell .. Gold! |
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| 17:32.01 | wols | itchi: also run update-pciids |
| 17:32.05 | enouf | + ya |
| 17:32.23 | dvs | enouf: ok Banyion! ;-) |
| 17:32.24 | itchi | syntaxx: Have you followed ^^ ? |
| 17:32.47 | enouf | dvs: ahhhh .. feel much better now :-p |
| 17:32.50 | syntaxx | itchi, thought so |
| 17:33.03 | d0uglas | heh Banyion.. isn't that a seinfeld reference |
| 17:33.12 | d0uglas | the ovaltine guy |
| 17:33.14 | dvs | !beer d0uglas |
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| 17:34.05 | dhuv | hello all |
| 17:34.09 | enouf | dvs: let's go to Mendy's! |
| 17:34.14 | d0uglas | re dhuv |
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| 17:34.23 | syntaxx | itchi, but im gonna try to changed it to another slot.. brb |
| 17:34.34 | dvs | heh |
| 17:34.45 | enouf | dvs: someone should add that to the reading barbie factoid |
| 17:34.57 | dhuv | I am having a problem exporting noatun, i can do ssh -f server1 kcontrol and get the app but I cannot do ssh -f server1 noatun |
| 17:35.15 | zepeuga | can somebody help me ? i have this error doing "./load debug=0", when installing ipw3945 module http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qKVV3L22.htmlhttp://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qKVV3L22.html |
| 17:35.21 | dhuv | I can see " kbuildsycoca running..." but then I dont get anything |
| 17:35.30 | dhuv | I can also see the noatun process on server1 |
| 17:35.36 | dhuv | but I dont get the display |
| 17:35.52 | dhuv | I was able to export xmms without a problem, does anybody know what the problem can be? |
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| 17:38.05 | Zesty | Sorry, if this is elementary, but does any software using GPL licensed software require that the software using it releases the source for their software? |
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| 17:39.21 | Bombo | is the ntpd from ntp package auto updating the local time from a remote timeserver? |
| 17:39.36 | Bombo | i'm not sure if i understood that right |
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| 17:39.50 | syntaxx | itchi, well it just loosen up it works now.. i just pushed it hard |
| 17:39.55 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 17:39.55 | dpkg | [ntp] the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 17:39.56 | syntaxx | itchi, thanks |
| 17:40.05 | Bombo | i apt-get installed ntp but the time is still wrong |
| 17:40.22 | itchi | syntaxx: Maybe some crap was between?? |
| 17:40.42 | itchi | syntaxx: Some time you need to go to the 'compwash' :-p |
| 17:40.47 | syntaxx | itchi, maybe my bro just pulled the tv cable and the card shakes |
| 17:40.49 | Bombo | Your current time zone is set to Europe/Berlin |
| 17:40.52 | Bombo | right |
| 17:40.56 | birdfish | itchi: no problem dude. I was just reading up about the different tasks I could accomplish with the new debian userland anyhow =). But time for a quick reboot of the laptop. I'm gonna let my bnc take over for a bit now. Thanks for your help though, and I'm sure I'll catch you online again sometime soon! |
| 17:41.09 | Bombo | $ ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 17:41.10 | Bombo | 15 Oct 19:48:10 ntpdate[8296]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
| 17:41.51 | abrotman | stop ntpd .. try again |
| 17:41.59 | Bombo | Stopping NTP server: ntpd. |
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| 17:42.38 | Bombo | $ ntpdate pool.ntp.org -> 15 Oct 19:49:06 ntpdate[8307]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 17:42.49 | abrotman | your clock might be too far off |
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| 17:42.57 | Bombo | ~5 mins |
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| 17:43.07 | Bombo | 7 mins |
| 17:43.15 | Bombo | ahead |
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| 17:44.24 | bsfreak222 | how do i get the /user dir in hula mail? |
| 17:44.25 | tralala | abrotman: the memtest was OK and apt was still crashing. I had to remove the file /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin to get it to work. |
| 17:44.46 | Bombo | now i set it manually to 1min ahead, but ntpdate still reports "no server suitable for synchronization found" |
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| 17:45.54 | zamaliphe | how to install testing over network ? |
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| 17:46.42 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 17:46.42 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 17:46.43 | lunitik | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 17:48.10 | dhuv | I installed juk and it exports fine |
| 17:48.18 | dhuv | any ideas why noatun wont export |
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| 17:48.41 | mariochan | Hi. AFAIK aptitude is better than apt-get, right? I have a few months using apt-get, I wonder if I can begin using aptitude without problems? |
| 17:49.18 | Braindead | mariochan: it's never too late to reach the final enlightement |
| 17:49.21 | ahlfors | aptitude is a higher level interface. Feel free to use it or apt-get |
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| 17:49.34 | ahlfors | they are not mutually exclusive |
| 17:49.37 | ZirdKust | My external HD hangs always when has copied 480 mb (more or less). Could you help me. |
| 17:49.37 | ZirdKust | Debian 2.6.16-2 PIV2600 usb2.0 |
| 17:49.46 | dvs | mariochan: why not? I've heard something lik you have to mark some packages with "M" if you want them automatically uninstalled if their dependency is uninstalled |
| 17:50.01 | mariochan | I hope I dont find any future problems in any package. thanks. |
| 17:50.39 | mariochan | no inconsistencies (sp). |
| 17:51.02 | bsfreak222 | Try the disk in another computer to determine if its the disk or computer that is the problem... |
| 17:51.08 | ahlfors | It's true that aptitude keeps track of whether you requested a package, or if it was installed automatically as a dependency of another |
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| 17:51.16 | abrotman | !aptitude |
| 17:51.16 | dpkg | well, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 17:52.49 | muh2000 | !paster |
| 17:52.49 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 17:53.41 | ahlfors | mariochan, basically you can ignore the advanced features of aptitude if you want. I will just do what you ask, and in the process, keep your system more tidy that apt-get |
| 17:54.30 | muh2000 | any ideas about my kernel 2.6.18.1 compile error? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4062 |
| 17:54.49 | mariochan | tidy is good. |
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| 17:55.43 | ahlfors | muh2000, see bug 281289 |
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| 17:56.09 | muh2000 | ahlfors where can i lookup bugs for debian? |
| 17:56.12 | zepeuga | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 17:56.13 | zepeuga | , anyone knows how can i resolve this ? |
| 17:56.27 | mariochan | this is my first debian install, the update process is easy? from sarge to etch. OR am I gonna find soe weird errors? |
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| 17:56.34 | dvs | zepeuga: depmod -a |
| 17:56.37 | ahlfors | muh2000, actually that bug is about the BFD assertion fail. Now I see your compile error was the undefined symbol. Dunno about that |
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| 17:56.48 | vorbote | zepeuga: depmod -a (while runnin the kernel in question). |
| 17:57.35 | zepeuga | vorbote, thx |
| 17:57.47 | d0uglas | whenever i reboot i gotta chmod /dev/dsp or my sound server in kde breaks if i'm not root. what gives? |
| 17:58.02 | abrotman | chmod it to what ? |
| 17:58.14 | ahlfors | muh2000, this LKML post seems to be on topic: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/9/21/294 |
| 17:58.19 | dvs | d0uglas: join the audo group? |
| 17:58.20 | d0uglas | well i never experimented too much with it so i just do uoga+rwx |
| 17:58.24 | dvs | *audio |
| 17:58.34 | abrotman | d0uglas: golly. . that's helpful |
| 17:58.44 | d0uglas | dvs you mean just add that into my passwd file? |
| 17:58.46 | wols | abrotman: shush. it's sunday |
| 17:58.50 | d0uglas | ok |
| 17:58.51 | zepeuga | vorbote, i have this "06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Conne ction (rev 02) |
| 17:58.51 | zepeuga | " in lspci, but when running "ipw3945d" it gives this "ipw3945d - regulatory daemon |
| 17:58.51 | zepeuga | Copyright (C) 2005-2006 Intel Corporation. All rights reserved. |
| 17:58.51 | zepeuga | version: 1.7.22 |
| 17:58.52 | zepeuga | 2006-10-15 19:58:22: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection |
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| 17:58.57 | wols | !tell d0uglas about grounding |
| 17:59.02 | dvs | d0uglas: no, adduser $(USER) audio |
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| 17:59.11 | d0uglas | dvs: thanks |
| 17:59.15 | abrotman | for an exercise in patience .. try stringing a 12string :) |
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| 17:59.34 | wols | abrotman: around whose neck? |
| 17:59.46 | d0uglas | heh |
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| 18:00.22 | abrotman | the guitar's ? |
| 18:00.35 | ahlfors | muh2000, you might be able to avoid the problem by unsetting CONFIG_BRIDGE or OCNFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_PHYSDEV, but depending on the intended use this may or may not be acceptable |
| 18:00.54 | vorbote | zepeuga: I'm no t really familiar wireless cards, but you may want to include in your searches the how-to forum at ubuntuforums. I've seen lots of tips and tricks for wireless there. |
| 18:00.57 | muh2000 | ahlfors thnx i will try that out :) |
| 18:01.18 | ahlfors | muh2000, but do check out the lkml posting, Florin Malita includes a patch there |
| 18:01.27 | zepeuga | vorbote ok |
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| 18:02.20 | wols | abrotman: I was hoping for better "targets" |
| 18:02.30 | wols | no, they're called "marks" |
| 18:02.46 | abrotman | wols: make a dpkg: strangle $! ? |
| 18:02.50 | abrotman | erm .. $1 |
| 18:03.09 | linux_argh | Why I cant burn CDs???????? Ive been trying to burn a damn linux iso for three days with no sucess... The process always end with no error messages, it just stops burning and that s it |
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| 18:03.24 | abrotman | burn it in what ? |
| 18:03.26 | zinx | linux_argh: maybe it's set to burn too fast |
| 18:03.28 | pelzi_ | and what are you using |
| 18:03.29 | abrotman | and did you ask #ubuntu ? |
| 18:03.35 | muh2000 | ahlfors do i have to copy the stuff under/after "diff" into a file? and after that, what do i have to do ? |
| 18:03.38 | zinx | oh wait, you said no errors |
| 18:03.41 | linux_argh | Im banned from ubuntu |
| 18:03.47 | abrotman | why? |
| 18:03.49 | pelzi_ | sounds great |
| 18:03.55 | ruben | Hi, for to use a linux as gateway/router is mandatory to use iptables? I only want to connect 2 subnets. |
| 18:03.59 | abrotman | linux_argh: #debian does not support ubuntu users |
| 18:04.04 | pelzi_ | ruben: no. |
| 18:04.08 | ahlfors | muh2000, RTFM on "patch" |
| 18:04.14 | pelzi_ | ruben: just enable ip forwarding (in sysctl) |
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| 18:04.40 | linux_argh | I got banned because im running the live Cd, after many joins and lefts caused by many sudden crashes, I said #$*#@#$"and bang! |
| 18:04.46 | ruben | pelzi_: so, iptables is not mandatory?, some people tellme that i need to do MASQUERADING, It is true? |
| 18:04.47 | Taube | ruben: remember that each system knows your router as gateway |
| 18:05.00 | pelzi_ | ruben: no, if you are routing you do not. |
| 18:05.02 | ChrisW | 'ello, can anyone recommend a replacement for logwatch? it doesn't seem to be very well maintained :-S |
| 18:05.08 | wols | ruben: for what you want: no. for outer kinds of routing: yes |
| 18:05.13 | linux_argh | my burner is displaying a yellow led light |
| 18:05.15 | abrotman | linux_argh: then i recommend you msg the person that banned you .. and ask them to unban you |
| 18:05.29 | ruben | thanks! |
| 18:05.51 | d0uglas | about half the time i need to press down really hard on my synaptics touchpad to move the cursor, but a soft reboot seems to fix it.. any chance this is not a hardware issue but something i could fix with drivers? |
| 18:06.02 | linux_argh | I got 8 bad live cds, they are unstable, extremely unstable, keeps crashing at will |
| 18:06.13 | abrotman | burning with what ? |
| 18:06.31 | linux_argh | cdrw |
| 18:06.32 | Wyzard | d0uglas: Could be... I think the sensitivity is software-adjustable, though I don't know how it'd be getting changed |
| 18:06.33 | linux_argh | 8x |
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| 18:06.48 | linux_argh | im trying to burn a ubuntu cd |
| 18:06.48 | abrotman | no .. with which OS ? |
| 18:06.48 | wols | linux_argh: #ubuntu. and it sounds like you have marginal hardware |
| 18:06.50 | pelzi_ | then burn slower. |
| 18:06.56 | wols | or crappy acpi/apic implementation |
| 18:06.58 | linux_argh | 8x?!?!!? |
| 18:07.08 | linux_argh | my burner goes up to 52x |
| 18:07.12 | wols | linux_argh: for a CDRW it's very fast |
| 18:07.14 | ahlfors | d0uglas, did you check the logs for synaptic-related msgs? |
| 18:07.16 | pelzi_ | I always burn cdrws at 4x. |
| 18:07.21 | d0uglas | Wyzard: well i don't see how some config file could be changing randomly to be the culprit so i guess it's just crappy emachines hardware |
| 18:07.23 | pelzi_ | and I never burn anything over 12x. |
| 18:07.39 | Wyzard | pelzi_: I routinely burn RWs at 10x (the fastest my RW discs can go) with no problems |
| 18:07.41 | pelzi_ | if your cheap drive claims it can do 52x it does not mean one should do that. |
| 18:07.53 | ahlfors | pelzi_, define "unstable". I mean if the disk works but the resulting installer keeps crashing, that doesn't sound like a CD burning problem |
| 18:07.58 | d0uglas | ahlfors: the synaptics touchpad app needs xorg.conf to have shared memory on, but that breaks x altogether |
| 18:08.15 | pelzi_ | I have an expensive Plextor and still don't get good burns. |
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| 18:08.35 | wols | pelzi_: depends on media too |
| 18:08.38 | Wyzard | pelzi_: Mine's a Plextor too.. 16/10/40A |
| 18:08.40 | pelzi_ | at 12x they are good enough, but no match for the 8x SCSI plextor I used to use. |
| 18:08.45 | wols | and no one said plextor is good |
| 18:08.51 | d0uglas | pelzi_: you could always use an ipod... |
| 18:08.59 | pelzi_ | I don't burn music. |
| 18:08.59 | fausto | excuse me... i'm italian |
| 18:09.13 | pelzi_ | and the old plextors are good. |
| 18:09.17 | fausto | in the english keyboard where is the tilde key |
| 18:09.30 | d0uglas | fausto: to the left of the 1, up top (needs shift) |
| 18:09.31 | Wyzard | fausto: To the left of the '1' |
| 18:09.37 | ahlfors | faust_, above the backwards single quote, typically |
| 18:09.41 | pelzi_ | the newer drives of all manufacturers are low quality |
| 18:09.42 | fausto | ok |
| 18:09.48 | fausto | thank you.. |
| 18:10.06 | d0uglas | fausto: btw there's a #debian-it |
| 18:10.21 | pelzi_ | but I would recommend checking the source iso's md5 and burning slowly. |
| 18:10.38 | pelzi_ | I'd get a lite-on, plextor is too expensive and not as good as it used to be |
| 18:10.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: bluray! |
| 18:10.54 | pelzi_ | nah |
| 18:11.01 | pelzi_ | even DVD is unreliable as hell |
| 18:11.06 | enouf | d0uglas: fix your kde /dsp sound issues? .. 'id -a' <-- are you a memebr of audio and cdrom group? |
| 18:11.08 | pelzi_ | I'm definitely not touching bluray |
| 18:11.16 | d0uglas | is it true that if cds spin faster than 60 something x or so the damn thing will shatter? |
| 18:11.17 | abrotman | good for you .. it's not for you |
| 18:11.26 | dendrite | d0uglas: No. |
| 18:11.27 | enouf | d0uglas: yep |
| 18:11.28 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: no. watch mythbusters 1. season |
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| 18:11.54 | dendrite | Mythbusters is a great show. |
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| 18:12.29 | Wyzard | enouf: Rather than "id -a", why not just "groups" ? |
| 18:12.38 | pelzi_ | honestly, I've never had good experiences with DVD. |
| 18:12.58 | amortvigil | hey ive got this problem ive installed apache deleted apache2default and placed a # before the rederect sites-enabled |
| 18:13.01 | pelzi_ | little scratches make them unreadable, and the burned ones tend to chemically disintegrate in a year. |
| 18:13.07 | enouf | Wyzard: to se if the logged user is part of which groups .. just a quicker way to me .. but I don;'t know shit |
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| 18:13.17 | d0uglas | enouf: thanks for following up on me.. yeah i got audio membership |
| 18:13.18 | amortvigil | still it tries too rederect |
| 18:13.23 | d0uglas | haven't tested it out with a reboot yet |
| 18:13.28 | pelzi_ | did you restart |
| 18:13.31 | enouf | d0uglas: did you woes cease and desist? |
| 18:13.33 | aoshdoiaf | my burner is stuck with a yellow light trying to burn a CD that is not there |
| 18:13.36 | enouf | +r |
| 18:13.38 | aoshdoiaf | what do I do? |
| 18:13.42 | pelzi_ | reboot. |
| 18:13.51 | abrotman | aoshdoiaf: ask #ubuntu |
| 18:14.01 | Wyzard | aoshdoiaf: You could try "cdreset", but if that doesn't work, you'll need to reboot |
| 18:14.24 | enouf | Wyzard: thanks .. learn something new each day :-) |
| 18:14.29 | Wyzard | aoshdoiaf: (not that the OS actually needs to be reloaded, but the drive needs to be power-cycled and there's no safe way to do that with an internal drive except to reboot) |
| 18:14.37 | d0uglas | for some reason my window managers take 10 minutes to get past the splash screen but whatever i'll reboot anyway, my mouse is acting the fool again |
| 18:14.44 | struct | how do ask dpkg what package a file belongs to? |
| 18:14.51 | Wyzard | struct: dpkg -S filename |
| 18:14.52 | struct | dpkg the bot that is |
| 18:14.55 | abrotman | apt-file or dpkg -S |
| 18:14.55 | Wyzard | oh, nm |
| 18:14.58 | abrotman | it's broken |
| 18:15.00 | aoshdoiaf | damnit |
| 18:15.10 | struct | dang it |
| 18:15.18 | jelly | darn it |
| 18:15.21 | jelly | to heck |
| 18:15.31 | enouf | Wyzard: and it's "much" better when asking for that info , since theoutputis much smaller and can be pasted in one line easily |
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| 18:15.59 | enouf | + two blank spaces :-p |
| 18:16.07 | struct | any ideas if apache2-ssl-certificate will be back in apache2.2-common? |
| 18:16.30 | abrotman | make-ssl-cert |
| 18:16.39 | enouf | jelly: ?? |
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| 18:17.15 | jelly | enouf: !(!)1!one |
| 18:17.21 | enouf | !Sunday customer == d0uglas .. |
| 18:17.32 | enouf | jelly: whas up ?? |
| 18:17.43 | jelly | enouf: the sky! |
| 18:17.51 | enouf | jelly: darn to heck? |
| 18:17.54 | amortvigil | hey ive got this problem ive installed apache deleted apache2default and placed a # before the rederect sites-enabled and it still tries to rederect |
| 18:18.13 | jelly | enouf: if you wish |
| 18:18.21 | abrotman | restarted apapche? |
| 18:18.22 | jelly | !confuse enouf |
| 18:18.23 | dpkg | Yes, those is my ferret yesterday, enouf? breeches of the people's republic of tibet with extra cream |
| 18:18.27 | enouf | jelly: aww crap |
| 18:18.30 | Gnurdux | amortvigil, /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 18:18.39 | abrotman | apache2 maybe ? |
| 18:18.48 | enouf | !jellysmite jelly |
| 18:18.49 | Gnurdux | or: killall -s HUP apache |
| 18:18.55 | enouf | bah |
| 18:18.59 | Gnurdux | or: /etc/init.d/apache reload |
| 18:19.12 | ttick | sigh, mbox or maildir formats -- which to go with. |
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| 18:19.43 | jelly | ttick: how many users? |
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| 18:19.45 | amortvigil | Gnurdux no effect |
| 18:19.51 | ttick | jelly: one |
| 18:19.55 | ttick | jelly: me |
| 18:20.04 | Gnurdux | amortvigil, try #apache |
| 18:20.11 | jelly | ttick: which mail client? |
| 18:20.15 | ttick | jelly: mutt |
| 18:20.29 | jelly | ttick: which debian release? |
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| 18:20.34 | ttick | jelly: etch |
| 18:20.38 | jelly | ttick: maildir |
| 18:20.44 | ttick | jelly: why? |
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| 18:21.21 | valdyn | ttick: if that decision is even relevant depends on the expected size of your mailboxes |
| 18:21.21 | jelly | ttick: because mutt in etch/sid has decent support for Maildir. |
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| 18:22.26 | ttick | I've been fighting it for years. But my files are huge for a few friends. Only thing I don't like about maildir is it's harder to 'grep' through the files. |
| 18:22.30 | d0uglas | enouf: yay it works, thanks man.. what's more, x fires up fast all of a sudden |
| 18:22.32 | jelly | ttick: yeah. How many folders, how many messages? |
| 18:22.40 | enouf | d0uglas: coolio |
| 18:22.47 | jelly | ttick: as for search, check out mairix |
| 18:22.53 | ttick | jelly: one friend's file is over 30meg. |
| 18:23.07 | ttick | jelly: mairix? Okay, I'll check it out, thanks. |
| 18:23.10 | jelly | ttick: that's not much. |
| 18:23.35 | ttick | jelly: that's one friend -- mostly text. only 1 or two attachments (30k) |
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| 18:23.41 | enouf | !jamsite jelly |
| 18:23.47 | enouf | !jamsmite |
| 18:23.48 | dpkg | it has been said that jamsmite is smears gallons of viscoscity all over jelly having the adverse effect of clogging the cog |
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| 18:24.12 | frafra | hi all |
| 18:24.18 | enouf | dpkg forget jamsmite |
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| 18:24.31 | frafra | can I record the audio from a video? |
| 18:24.38 | pelzi_ | mencoder. |
| 18:24.54 | enouf | dpkg no forget jamsmite |
| 18:25.01 | jelly | ttick: ... oh, 30MB might be a lot if you have a P1 machine, but it's manageable for recent machines. |
| 18:25.04 | valdyn | frafra: or avidemux |
| 18:25.06 | enouf | crud |
| 18:25.14 | ttick | jelly: oh, mairix. sounds cool. very nice. |
| 18:25.16 | jelly | dpkg, forget jamsmite |
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| 18:25.29 | ttick | jelly: very true (re 30Meg) |
| 18:25.38 | enouf | dpkg forget !jamsmite |
| 18:25.38 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called '!jamsmite' to forget, enouf |
| 18:25.39 | frafra | avidemux and mencoder aren't in debian repo |
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| 18:25.50 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 18:25.51 | dpkg | marillat is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 18:25.53 | valdyn | frafra: ^^^ |
| 18:26.04 | frafra | ok :) |
| 18:26.07 | d0uglas | my broadcom 4306 lasts for about an hour or so and dies, needing a reboot to work. Googling this i found some forums saying to extract the driver from the firmware, others say use ndiswrapper and blacklist the broadcom, or some variations of that. haven't had much luck tinkering with this.. any ideas? |
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| 18:26.27 | valdyn | d0uglas: uname -r |
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| 18:26.39 | PDani | hi |
| 18:26.49 | PDani | is there a port of linux for nokia 9300i? |
| 18:26.58 | d0uglas | valdyn: 2.6.18-1-k7, but had the same issues with 2.6.16 |
| 18:27.14 | pelzi_ | I think there is, but the legality is questionable. |
| 18:27.25 | valdyn | pelzi_: eh? |
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| 18:28.07 | valdyn | pelzi_: explain please why a linux port being available should be illigal |
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| 18:28.29 | jelly | ttick: I'd keep it in mbox fwiw. However my Mail/ + Maildir/ approach 2GB in size and it's rather hard to find a message from 2000 containing a word in it. mairix does a good job of searching through mulitple mailboxes. |
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| 18:29.19 | d0uglas | valdyn: should i roll back the kernel? |
| 18:29.26 | Andy | can anyone tell me how i should partition my hard drive for Etch? |
| 18:29.28 | valdyn | d0uglas: nope |
| 18:29.32 | Andy | 10 gig hard drive |
| 18:29.46 | d0uglas | valdyn: get a new wifi adapter? |
| 18:29.50 | valdyn | Andy: what do you want to do with it? |
| 18:30.06 | valdyn | d0uglas: i dont know, though getting a supported adapter sure isnt a bad idea.. |
| 18:30.08 | Andy | just play around with it, nothing major |
| 18:30.17 | pelzi_ | valdyn: it is connected to the GSM network, the software is part of the phone and it is not certified for radion communication with different software. |
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| 18:30.53 | d0uglas | hmm.. so broadcom 43xx isn't perfect yet |
| 18:30.53 | valdyn | pelzi_: i see |
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| 18:31.05 | pelzi_ | -n |
| 18:31.21 | Heston | how do you make a virtual node in debian? |
| 18:31.23 | valdyn | d0uglas: its new and as far as i know reverse engineered |
| 18:31.46 | pelzi_ | I know of a Nokia employee who had non-stock software on his nokia 9500, but didn't ask more. I'd guess it was linux. |
| 18:32.02 | Andy | valdyn any reccomendations |
| 18:32.03 | ttick | jelly: thanks. another reason for maybe going Maildir was to target 'attachment' messages and delete them. But I guess a perl script would do just fine. |
| 18:32.08 | ttick | jelly: anyway, thanks. |
| 18:32.15 | pelzi_ | Nokia is obviously experimenting with the 770. once the platform works they will make a phone and get it certified. |
| 18:32.29 | d0uglas | well i guess it's time to spend some cash money... got some headaches with my ati as well.. |
| 18:32.36 | valdyn | Andy: just one large partition for everything and a 1G partition for swap |
| 18:33.00 | pelzi_ | 1G is overkill |
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| 18:33.06 | valdyn | Andy: no point in going for plenty partitions when that might just show a hindrance when 'playing around' |
| 18:33.26 | valdyn | pelzi_: for what? |
| 18:33.28 | Andy | so what partitions do i need to create? |
| 18:33.32 | d0uglas | i just can't go on in life without google earth or glx gears |
| 18:33.33 | pelzi_ | swap |
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| 18:33.36 | valdyn | pelzi_: i'd easily use 1.5G at times |
| 18:33.45 | pelzi_ | if you have one gig swapped out the box will be slow. |
| 18:33.53 | abrotman | d0uglas: you're such a sad individual |
| 18:33.56 | valdyn | pelzi_: no, that's not generally true |
| 18:34.03 | d0uglas | yeah i know |
| 18:34.22 | valdyn | pelzi_: just for your workload ) |
| 18:34.33 | pelzi_ | still, on a 10gig drive you want to be conservative |
| 18:34.55 | valdyn | Andy: a large one for / and a small one for swap |
| 18:35.07 | d0uglas | maybe i should load-balance my lameness and say some of my dumb remarks in #ubuntu |
| 18:35.24 | Andy | awsome, thanks valdyn |
| 18:36.06 | ahlfors | d0uglas, dumb remarks in #ubuntu? That's like spitting into the ocean |
| 18:36.19 | valdyn | d0uglas: 3D card for what? |
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| 18:37.07 | d0uglas | ahlfors heh |
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| 18:38.39 | Gnurdux | in the command time, whats he difference between "real" "user" and "sys" ? |
| 18:38.59 | d0uglas | valdyn: well actually my main video problem isn't just eye candy gl crap but not being able to get xinerama working with my radeon igp 340. all googling reveals is forum threads of other people trying everything with the same chip but never having any luck |
| 18:39.24 | amortvigil | while installing mysql do i have to change lines in apache2.conf? |
| 18:39.28 | valdyn | Gnurdux: real is total time, user is time used by the program 'itself', 'sys' is the time used by the system calls invoked by that program |
| 18:39.38 | Kage` | valdyn, you realize your client is showing us your raw data? |
| 18:39.39 | Kage` | (02:36:13P) [ valdyn] a60:f01b:0:0:0:0:1 PRIVMSG #debian :d0uglas: 3D card for what? |
| 18:39.57 | valdyn | Kage`: eh? |
| 18:40.06 | Kage` | valdyn, I see this when you talk: |
| 18:40.06 | Kage` | (02:39:51P) [ valdyn] a60:f01b:0:0:0:0:1 PRIVMSG #debian :Kage`: eh? |
| 18:40.08 | valdyn | Kage`: i never sent a privmsg |
| 18:40.19 | valdyn | Kage`: that's your broken irc client? |
| 18:40.20 | Kage` | valdyn, PRIVMSG is used for users and channels |
| 18:40.25 | d0uglas | umm kage' i still haven't mastered bitchx but i don't think that was a private msg |
| 18:40.26 | Kage` | It's part of the IRC protocol |
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| 18:40.35 | d0uglas | sorry, kage` not kage' |
| 18:40.41 | Kage` | d0uglas, (02:40:20P) [ Kage`] It's part of the IRC protocol |
| 18:40.55 | Kage` | PRIVMSG is used to send text to a channel and to a user |
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| 18:41.13 | valdyn | Kage`: that's interesting, which irc client are you using? |
| 18:41.15 | Kage` | Nevertheless, valdyn, your client is outputting that |
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| 18:41.20 | Kage` | valdyn, CTCP VERSION me |
| 18:41.23 | JKnife | strange.. in Xfce gtk-window-decorator ran fine but in gnome it seg faults |
| 18:41.30 | d0uglas | Kage`: wtf is your problem? he's just trying to help me out |
| 18:41.41 | Kage` | d0uglas, Nothing, I'm just informing him |
| 18:41.45 | JKnife | what pkg is gnome-window-decorator in? |
| 18:42.13 | d0uglas | sheesh why you gotta bust balls |
| 18:42.14 | abrotman | !tell JKnife about search |
| 18:42.43 | Kage` | valdyn, (02:42:23P) [Kage` VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 18:42.47 | valdyn | abrotman: you're seeing raw irc coming from me? |
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| 18:43.05 | pelzi_ | amortvigil: mysql and apache have nothing to do with each other |
| 18:43.12 | abrotman | valdyn: you're the man! |
| 18:43.18 | abrotman | valdyn: no .. not at all |
| 18:43.29 | Kage` | abrotman, weird. I see this: |
| 18:43.30 | Kage` | (02:42:41P) [ valdyn] a60:f01b:0:0:0:0:1 PRIVMSG #debian :abrotman: you're seeing raw irc coming from me? |
| 18:43.41 | abrotman | Kage`: and which IRC client are you using ? |
| 18:43.45 | Kage` | (02:42:23P) [Kage` VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
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| 18:43.47 | JKnife | haha dpkg search is broken |
| 18:43.49 | valdyn | Kage`: i suspect its your broken client, not to many are talking here via ipv6 |
| 18:43.50 | d0uglas | Kage`: what do you say we all let this go and try to move on |
| 18:43.54 | abrotman | Kage`: i'm shocked ... |
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| 18:44.06 | Kage` | abrotman, I'm using Windows at the moment |
| 18:44.07 | abrotman | Kage`: get a real IRC client |
| 18:44.11 | Kage` | And xchat sucks on Windows |
| 18:44.12 | abrotman | !xchat |
| 18:44.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xchat is a nifty irc client that has gnome and transperancy and panel and shaded transperancy and scripting and other cool stuff, or broken because it eats private /msg at least half the time, or doesnt eat /msg at all for some people, or ask me about irc for some more clients, or for win32 xchat : http://www.silverex.org/download/ |
| 18:44.19 | pelzi_ | irssi works on windows |
| 18:44.22 | Kage` | I know about xchat, it sucks on Windows |
| 18:44.28 | abrotman | the whose irc client is showing raw data says xchat sucks ? |
| 18:44.30 | Kage` | pelzi_, yeah, but I don't like irssi outside of shell |
| 18:44.35 | abrotman | the guy whose |
| 18:44.41 | d0uglas | i think an appology is in order kage |
| 18:44.43 | pelzi_ | then use a shell |
| 18:44.48 | Kage` | abrotman, I said "xchat sucks on windows" |
| 18:44.58 | abrotman | so does mirc |
| 18:44.58 | JKnife | install cygwin and use it in xterm |
| 18:45.04 | abrotman | oh wait .. mirc just sucks ... |
| 18:45.07 | Kage` | abrotman, mm, true, but it's the lesser of two evils |
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| 18:45.26 | abrotman | dude ... it can't even show valdyn's standard text correctly .. |
| 18:45.29 | d0uglas | there's gotta be a debian chat room on aol |
| 18:45.30 | JKnife | mIRC is to cluttered... |
| 18:45.30 | cusco | use klient |
| 18:45.35 | Red_Cloud | I have upgraded my packages yesterday. Several of my packages will now not accept my root password. Krusader-2 and MySQL Administrator will not recognize my root password. Any ideas? I can login to root console and other packages accept my root password. |
| 18:45.38 | enouf | mIrc blowschunks |
| 18:45.42 | amortvigil | pelzi so this has not to be done ;extension=php_mysql.so so this become extension=php_mysql.so?? |
| 18:45.59 | pelzi_ | amortvigil: you never even mentioned php |
| 18:46.15 | pelzi_ | and I am on a crusade against php, so I have no idea. |
| 18:46.41 | amortvigil | ok |
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| 18:46.42 | dvs | pelzi_: what did php do to you? ;-) |
| 18:46.45 | abrotman | cause you've been right about everything else :) |
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| 18:47.14 | asoidh | *********************************** even trying to record at 0.000000000000001x doesnt work, the process always stops before finishing the disk |
| 18:47.22 | abrotman | amortvigil: you don't change the apache config when installing php |
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| 18:47.31 | abrotman | asoidh: GO TO #ubuntu |
| 18:47.33 | asoidh | ive just noticed that the recorder is not even writting to the disk, |
| 18:47.39 | pelzi_ | php took the ugly things from perl and C, the latter of which I like, except the parts php copied :P |
| 18:47.45 | asoidh | the red light is on |
| 18:47.51 | abrotman | asoidh: #debian doesn't support ubuntu .. they have their own channel |
| 18:47.52 | asoidh | but the recorder is not writting anything |
| 18:47.58 | abrotman | asoidh: STOP STOP STOP |
| 18:48.09 | asoidh | cdrecord is the same for all linux |
| 18:48.15 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
| 18:48.16 | pelzi_ | no it is not. |
| 18:48.19 | abrotman | Debian uses wodim |
| 18:48.21 | deadcat | whats .udeb? unofficial? |
| 18:48.26 | pelzi_ | the distros patch it |
| 18:48.34 | Wyzard | deadcat: Those are packages for Debian-Installer |
| 18:48.34 | abrotman | deadcat: installer deb |
| 18:48.36 | abrotman | !udeb |
| 18:48.36 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 18:48.42 | deadcat | thanks.. |
| 18:48.42 | enouf | !cdrkit |
| 18:48.49 | abrotman | !wodim |
| 18:48.51 | enouf | !wodim |
| 18:48.55 | abrotman | oh well .. |
| 18:48.58 | enouf | bah |
| 18:49.07 | Wyzard | pelzi_: PHP5 seems decent, now that it finally has real OO and exceptions |
| 18:49.20 | pelzi_ | and it still has strlen. |
| 18:49.29 | abrotman | so do other languages |
| 18:49.33 | pelzi_ | and weak typing, that's gross. |
| 18:49.37 | abrotman | so do other languages |
| 18:49.40 | JKnife | =/ apt-file isnt working |
| 18:49.41 | abrotman | lots of other languages |
| 18:49.41 | pelzi_ | so? |
| 18:49.50 | abrotman | so .. you're not on a crusade against those |
| 18:49.52 | pelzi_ | I don't use those either, except C |
| 18:49.55 | Wyzard | Weak typing is pretty common in interpreted languages |
| 18:50.05 | dvs | pelzi_: if you don't like weak typing, don't try SmallTalk. ;-) |
| 18:50.06 | pelzi_ | weak typing is terrible. |
| 18:50.16 | enouf | JKnife: update it |
| 18:50.19 | abrotman | so basically ... you have no basis for your hatred of PHP .. surprising isn't it |
| 18:50.21 | pelzi_ | nah. dynamic typing != weak typing |
| 18:50.33 | JKnife | enouf: i did.. i ran apt-file update |
| 18:50.38 | pelzi_ | php has all the features I do not like. that's it |
| 18:50.39 | asoidh | faio_wait_on_buffer for reader timed out. |
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| 18:51.11 | enouf | JKnife: are you using it correctly? /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:51.20 | pelzi_ | the biggest fault is the mixing of presentation and application logic. |
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| 18:51.37 | pelzi_ | and who gives a crap anyway. |
| 18:51.49 | asoidh | faio_wait_on_buffer for reader timed out. |
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| 18:51.54 | JKnife | yep.. did that in that order |
| 18:51.56 | abrotman | asoidh: GO AWAY |
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| 18:52.04 | Timoty_ | how to open port 443 in linux? |
| 18:52.13 | pelzi_ | eh. |
| 18:52.16 | Wyzard | pelzi_: That's a historical convenience provided for a) inexperienced developers, and b) simple apps that don't need separation of presentation and logic |
| 18:52.16 | abrotman | which version of apache ? |
| 18:52.20 | pelzi_ | ask what you really want to do |
| 18:52.24 | JKnife | =/ did i need curl installed? |
| 18:52.38 | Timoty_ | how to open port 443 in linux? |
| 18:52.39 | pelzi_ | Wyzard: still doesn't mean I like it. |
| 18:52.44 | abrotman | Timoty_: which version of apache ? |
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| 18:53.12 | pelzi_ | Wyzard: and there's still the weak typing thing and the stupid library thing. |
| 18:53.13 | valdyn | Timoty_: its open by default |
| 18:53.16 | Wyzard | pelzi_: It's quite possible to write apps in PHP that don't switch between code and literal text at all, and instead have a separate and distinct presentation layer |
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| 18:53.18 | enouf | JKnife: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:53.19 | abrotman | stupid library thing ? |
| 18:53.21 | valdyn | Timoty_: if samba is installed that is |
| 18:53.33 | JKnife | enouf: try it.. his updating pkgs fail |
| 18:53.33 | Wyzard | abrotman: the fact that it has functions like strlen(), I assume |
| 18:53.35 | abrotman | valdyn: 443 is ssl |
| 18:53.41 | valdyn | abrotman: ops |
| 18:53.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: yeah .. functions suck |
| 18:53.45 | enouf | JKnife: then tell me exactly what command did not work |
| 18:53.46 | asoidh | is lindows dead? |
| 18:53.50 | abrotman | or rather .. 443 is https |
| 18:53.50 | valdyn | Timoty_: s/samba/ssl/ |
| 18:53.58 | pelzi_ | Wyzard: especially the mysql db api disgusted me. python's is so much cleaner |
| 18:53.58 | valdyn | wth! |
| 18:54.00 | d0uglas | asoidh: check netcraft to see if they've confirmed it |
| 18:54.05 | valdyn | !wayttd Timoty_ |
| 18:54.05 | abrotman | asoidh: STOP |
| 18:54.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Timoty_? |
| 18:54.07 | JKnife | i think it is working now.. i think i had to install curl |
| 18:54.12 | enouf | JKnife: have you run apt-get update? |
| 18:54.22 | JKnife | enouf: yes... |
| 18:54.25 | Wyzard | pelzi_: MySQL itself disgusts me. PostgreSQL is so much cleaner. :-P |
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| 18:54.34 | JKnife | ok it is working now... |
| 18:54.35 | enouf | JKnife: wtf is curl? maybe I have it installed |
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| 18:54.38 | pelzi_ | mysql has its places, but true. |
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| 18:54.41 | Wyzard | pelzi_: but anyway, you can't blame MySQL's ugly API on the PHP language |
| 18:54.42 | pelzi_ | Postgre is the way |
| 18:54.44 | abrotman | see .. you can't take someone seriously who slams php and uses mysql :) |
| 18:54.51 | pelzi_ | the mysql api is part of php. |
| 18:54.52 | d0uglas | Wyzard: /disgusts/ you? you must have a weak stomach |
| 18:54.55 | enouf | lindows is DEAD! |
| 18:55.09 | pelzi_ | mysql has nothing to do with php's library. |
| 18:55.20 | JKnife | it is not linspire |
| 18:55.23 | Wyzard | d0uglas: I was imitating pelzi_'s statement about MySQL's PHP API |
| 18:55.25 | pelzi_ | it is a part of php, and the part of php disgusts me. |
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| 18:55.28 | d0uglas | oh |
| 18:55.30 | JKnife | enouf: it is like wget |
| 18:55.33 | enouf | hehe |
| 18:55.35 | pelzi_ | no, it is PHP's mysql api. |
| 18:55.38 | jetscreamer | linspire is getting bigger at fry's |
| 18:55.39 | JKnife | not|now |
| 18:55.45 | jetscreamer | or isn't gone yet |
| 18:55.49 | abrotman | wtf is frys ? |
| 18:55.53 | raz0 | d0uglas, If mysql /disgusts/ you, I'd hate to know what Oracle does to you. ;-) |
| 18:55.55 | jetscreamer | frys.com |
| 18:56.01 | jetscreamer | store |
| 18:56.01 | enouf | an outlet? |
| 18:56.05 | Wyzard | abrotman: a store similar to Circuit City, I believe |
| 18:56.07 | abrotman | we don't have them in the east |
| 18:56.10 | Wyzard | We don't have them around here |
| 18:56.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: i know .. i was joking |
| 18:56.14 | Wyzard | ok |
| 18:56.21 | jetscreamer | google fry's employment :) |
| 18:56.24 | enouf | Yes we do .. they're on the youtubes |
| 18:56.28 | jetscreamer | read the application :) |
| 18:56.34 | Wyzard | (speaking of Circuit City... nobody sells EDTVs anymore, grr) |
| 18:56.45 | enouf | and Fry's has 0001 vendor ID or siomeshit now |
| 18:56.46 | pelzi_ | edtv? umm? |
| 18:56.46 | abrotman | why would you want one ? |
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| 18:57.22 | Wyzard | because I have no use for HDTV and see no point in paying a premium for HD capability that I'm not going to use |
| 18:57.29 | Wyzard | but widescreen and progressive-scan are good |
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| 18:57.49 | abrotman | dunno .. they're pretty damn cheap |
| 18:57.59 | abrotman | guess it depends on the display technology you want |
| 18:58.00 | phogg | Wyzard: aye! |
| 18:58.06 | d0uglas | why spend 1.6 billion on youtube when their very own video.google.com has been sweeping the nation |
| 18:58.22 | abrotman | ask them! |
| 18:58.24 | enouf | JKnife: curl can suck my ... ya know -> ~$ dpkg -l curl | tail -1 |
| 18:58.24 | enouf | un curl <none> (no description available) |
| 18:58.25 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:58.28 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:58.35 | dvs | d0uglas: no competition. They learned from Microsoft! |
| 18:58.44 | Wyzard | In the HD arena, 720p and 1080i seem like dead-ends to me... I'd want 1080p |
| 18:58.48 | enouf | tarzeau: fix your "FrontPage" yet? |
| 18:58.48 | Charminthemoose | yeah,what does this mean for youtube?considering that they can now get sued |
| 18:58.52 | Wyzard | and I'd prefer to get a DLP |
| 18:58.55 | dvs | Wyzard: second |
| 18:58.55 | tarzeau | enouf: frontpage? |
| 18:58.55 | pelzi_ | nah |
| 18:58.57 | Wyzard | but 1080p DLPs are not cheap |
| 18:58.59 | pelzi_ | CRT rocks. |
| 18:59.02 | tarzeau | enouf: which? |
| 18:59.11 | pelzi_ | DLP hurts your eyes compared to a CRT... |
| 18:59.19 | abrotman | Wyzard: depends on the size .. you could probably get a 40" for 2k ? |
| 18:59.25 | enouf | tarzeau: oh boy .. some seekers earlier were adamant that it wasan't working .. it ALWAYS worked for me :-) |
| 18:59.25 | d0uglas | crt is underrated |
| 18:59.33 | JKnife | !popcorn |
| 18:59.34 | abrotman | crt weighs too much |
| 18:59.37 | Pegger | I am trying to get bridging working with openvpn http://pastebin.ca/204194 |
| 18:59.46 | tarzeau | enouf: must've been a problem of those.. i didn't notice any problems |
| 18:59.47 | d0uglas | how else are you supposed to get exercise |
| 18:59.50 | Wyzard | and since I'm buying neither Blu-Ray nor HD-DVD until the format war has been resolved, *and* the DRM has been cracked, and I don't plan to buy an Xbox360 or PS3 anytime soon, I have very little use for HD capability |
| 18:59.50 | pelzi_ | crt does weigh, true. |
| 18:59.54 | enouf | tarzeau: atleast 8hrs ago |
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| 19:00.04 | abrotman | a 32" sony wega weighs about 225lbs |
| 19:00.09 | abrotman | erm. 34" |
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| 19:00.18 | enouf | tarzeau: then never you mind .. apologies |
| 19:00.21 | Wyzard | Widescreen 480p is the native format of DVD, and is supported by both the PS2 and the Wii, so that makes the most sense for me |
| 19:00.21 | tarzeau | anyone using a beamer instead of CRT/LCD/TFT? |
| 19:00.21 | Pegger | Wyzard, but blue ray is soooo much better |
| 19:00.27 | phogg | bah. All I need is a nice monitor. |
| 19:00.29 | Wyzard | I don't watch enough TV to be worth spending $2000 on one |
| 19:00.31 | abrotman | Wyzard: you won't buy another tv that soon .. just get what you want .. |
| 19:00.35 | pelzi_ | Wyzard: well, the "hd ready" ones are usually 720i or 720p, you aren't paying extra for it if it is the only stuff available |
| 19:00.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got a beamer now in my living room |
| 19:00.43 | Wyzard | What I want is an EDTV |
| 19:00.48 | pelzi_ | I have a 200" CRT which weighs 45kg |
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| 19:00.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: get a 720p tv then |
| 19:00.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: great for playing playstation, watching movies and playing nethack |
| 19:01.01 | Wyzard | Anything more, even 720p, is a waste as far as I'm concerned |
| 19:01.01 | abrotman | edtv is poo |
| 19:01.14 | abrotman | Wyzard: you can still get 720p tvs |
| 19:01.17 | Wyzard | extra cost for capability I don't need |
| 19:01.24 | pelzi_ | well, the difference between a 480p and a 720p is none. |
| 19:01.30 | kreshnik | abrotman: i updated my usbids.. i was setting up wireless |
| 19:01.35 | pelzi_ | there is no extra cost, manufacturing them is the same cost |
| 19:01.38 | abrotman | wow .. that was forever! |
| 19:01.50 | kreshnik | :D |
| 19:02.11 | enouf | 1080i suXzors |
| 19:02.13 | pelzi_ | but nothing beats a CRT. |
| 19:02.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7705753&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050039&id=1138085296581 |
| 19:02.27 | abrotman | not good enuogh ? |
| 19:02.35 | Wyzard | displaying 480 pictures on a 720-line display also requires scaling, and a cheap HDTV isn't going to have a great scaler |
| 19:02.37 | abrotman | pelzi_: they weigh a ton .. not worth it |
| 19:02.45 | d0uglas | crts are worth it just for degausing fun |
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| 19:02.53 | pelzi_ | umm... |
| 19:02.57 | enouf | gimmeee 720p or better 1080p .. but that 'll NEVER happen . HECK we can;t even get 1411kb/sec mp3s |
| 19:02.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: That's $1400 |
| 19:03.01 | itchi | When i do 'smbclient -L //comp_name' on the computer that are the samba server. I get connection to comp_name failed ? What could be are the reason for this error? |
| 19:03.01 | pelzi_ | I don't give a crap about the weight |
| 19:03.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: so what? |
| 19:03.14 | pelzi_ | Wyzard: use a PC |
| 19:03.14 | abrotman | hmm .. another pelzi_ one sided argument .. yay! :) |
| 19:03.24 | kreshnik | abrotman: so what was the idea to update-usbids ? |
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| 19:03.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: you said you wanted DLP .. |
| 19:03.30 | pelzi_ | the image quality on a CRT is just so much better. |
| 19:03.30 | Wyzard | abrotman: A TV is not worth $1400 to me |
| 19:03.32 | enouf | erm 1411kb/sec wav files for $0.99 apiece .. and unDRMed |
| 19:03.36 | abrotman | kreshnik: so we could see your chipset |
| 19:03.40 | Wyzard | abrotman: If I were buying a *good* TV, I'll want a DLP |
| 19:03.45 | enouf | DLP is trickery' |
| 19:03.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh .. so what do you want ? |
| 19:03.55 | pelzi_ | DLP has rainbows. eww. |
| 19:03.59 | d0uglas | are crts easier on the eyes than lcds of equal brightness? |
| 19:04.06 | Wyzard | abrotman: That'll be in a few years when HD is more entrenched and I actually have HD stuff that I want to watch |
| 19:04.07 | enouf | flash gone wild! |
| 19:04.16 | pelzi_ | depends on the lcd and on the crt. |
| 19:04.21 | tarzeau | d0uglas: crts often are said to have the better colors |
| 19:04.22 | Wyzard | abrotman: Right now my main use for a TV is DVDs, the PS2, and eventually a Wii |
| 19:04.26 | kreshnik | abrotman: when i do now lsusb there is somethink 001: 001 0000:0000 |
| 19:04.26 | d0uglas | all things being equal i meant pelzi |
| 19:04.28 | tarzeau | d0uglas: if you do DTP/printing stuff |
| 19:04.28 | abrotman | Wyzard: so you want a crt that does 480p ? |
| 19:04.28 | pelzi_ | but black is black on a CRT and grey on an LCD |
| 19:04.32 | abrotman | !paster |
| 19:04.32 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:04.34 | abrotman | kreshnik: ^^ |
| 19:04.38 | enouf | gives new meaning to "mirrored array" |
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| 19:04.39 | tarzeau | d0uglas: but it's probably not true anymore, if you buy a professional LCD |
| 19:04.39 | Wyzard | abrotman: exactly |
| 19:04.50 | Wyzard | abrotman: and with a widescreen form factor |
| 19:04.57 | tarzeau | pelzi_: just configure it right, i've got a glossy display here and black is black |
| 19:05.05 | Wyzard | and widescreen 480p is exactly what EDTV is |
| 19:05.13 | tarzeau | pelzi_: most people don't adjust the monitor settings and the gamma settings in the software |
| 19:05.14 | pelzi_ | nah. even at minimum brightness light leaks through |
| 19:05.19 | tarzeau | pelzi_: www.linuks.mine.nu/displaycalibrator/ |
| 19:05.23 | pelzi_ | nope. |
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| 19:05.33 | yath_ | moin |
| 19:05.40 | tarzeau | !moin |
| 19:05.40 | dpkg | from memory, moin is http://www.plattmaster.de/moinmoin.htm |
| 19:05.41 | pelzi_ | even if I pulled the video lines into blackness with resistors the panel would still leak. |
| 19:05.55 | tarzeau | pelzi_: possible, yes |
| 19:05.57 | yath_ | tarzeau: nah, not that. it's just a common greeting in germany ;) |
| 19:05.58 | enouf | Wyzard: westinghouse makes a nice 35/40+ inch model (720p/1080i IIRc) |
| 19:05.58 | pelzi_ | on a CRT I can't see any bit of light. |
| 19:06.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=edtv&sc=Global&cp=1&sp=&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1%7E%7Eq65647476%7E%7Eccat03000%23%231%23%236%7E%7Enccat03001%23%230%23%236&list=n&usc=All+Categories&nrp=15&iht=n |
| 19:06.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: you owe me a beer! |
| 19:06.07 | tarzeau | yath_: i know, but this place here is not german |
| 19:06.15 | yath_ | tarzeau: "moin" is in fact international. |
| 19:06.25 | enouf | abrotman: can you PLEASE paste a LONGER url? |
| 19:06.26 | tarzeau | yath_: i don't think so |
| 19:06.34 | tarzeau | yath_: it's just very german mostly |
| 19:06.38 | pelzi_ | black level is important with dark movies, otherwise you miss detail. |
| 19:06.39 | abrotman | enouf: wait .. let me get one |
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| 19:06.44 | enouf | hehe |
| 19:06.46 | Trewas | I just bought a 40" LCD TV which has been said to have pretty much best black levels LCDs have, and black is far from real black (and this after tuning the settings), much worse than my previous 32" tv |
| 19:06.48 | Wyzard | abrotman: nice, thanks :-) |
| 19:07.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: not exactly big tvs though |
| 19:07.06 | Trewas | but everything else is of course much better |
| 19:07.11 | pelzi_ | Trewas: exactly. the reason I stick with CRT |
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| 19:07.12 | yath_ | anyways. has anyone of you managed to install debian on a i5 (iSeries)? AFAICS the new etch iso images with d-i beta3 do contain a ppc64 kernel. |
| 19:07.12 | tarzeau | yath_: in switzerland, if you say moin, everybody knows it's typically german |
| 19:07.21 | Wyzard | abrotman: I checked Best Buy (the one in KoP) today, as well as Circuit City (near KoP, and the one in Exton too) and none had anything worthwhile |
| 19:07.23 | tarzeau | yath_: just like servus is typically austrian |
| 19:07.32 | yath_ | tarzeau: servus isn't austrian either. |
| 19:07.38 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, I'm not looking for a huge TV... 30-35 probably |
| 19:07.41 | tarzeau | yath_: i know it from orf |
| 19:07.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: i have a feeling you'd have to order it .. it really makes little sense to buy edtv given that hdtv is mandated in what ... a year or two ? |
| 19:07.52 | pelzi_ | besides, the colors on a CRT are also nicer, and you don't get deinterlacing artifacts |
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| 19:08.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: I have no opposition to HD in general... it's just that HD has nearly zero value to me *now* |
| 19:08.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: man i found some new games! |
| 19:08.37 | pelzi_ | as long as the crt works I'm keeping my 200 inches of black black. |
| 19:08.44 | JKnife | hehe a new askaninja is out |
| 19:08.45 | abrotman | Wyzard: you can get local tv stations in HD over the air |
| 19:08.49 | Wyzard | abrotman: so I want to buy a cheap TV now that meets my current needs (DVD, PS2, Wii), and a better one (big 1080p DLP or something) in a few years |
| 19:09.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: I can't remember the last time I've turned on a TV to watch broadcast programming |
| 19:09.15 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 19:09.16 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 19:09.22 | abrotman | Wyzard: no sports huh ? |
| 19:09.25 | pelzi_ | I don't even have an antenna. |
| 19:09.26 | Wyzard | nope |
| 19:09.33 | pelzi_ | it's all crap. |
| 19:09.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: when were you in sauna last time? http://www.luolamies.org/software/sauna |
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| 19:09.41 | yath_ | abrotman: oh, so there's a dedicated channel for it. thanks. |
| 19:09.43 | enouf | My antenna have been cropped via my cable company |
| 19:09.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's a game ? |
| 19:09.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: looks like mad crap fun, doesn't it? http://www.luolamies.org/software/antigrav/ |
| 19:09.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: yep :) |
| 19:10.02 | Trewas | pelzi_: best LCDs are about as good for colors now, deinterlacing effects are a bit of problem but so are with all 100hz tvs |
| 19:10.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: man, what a question. an url from me? and not a game? |
| 19:10.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm mad uhm .. some game isn't free |
| 19:10.19 | stoned | hi |
| 19:10.21 | d0uglas | are .glvs very compressed that they'd take most of my cpu when every other format has a relatively light load, or am i not configged right |
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| 19:10.39 | tarzeau | these are! my windows mania is gone, i've got a mac mini now at work |
| 19:10.43 | pelzi_ | Trewas: yep. but the black remains and it disturbs me (and I'm happy with the crt, getting 200" of LCD would be expensive) |
| 19:11.04 | Trewas | pelzi_: where the hell did you get 200" CRT? :) |
| 19:11.09 | enouf | lights up some spleef nd shares with the stoned junky dellio freak |
| 19:11.09 | pelzi_ | a projector |
| 19:11.14 | enouf | +a |
| 19:11.17 | abrotman | Wyzard: also search buy.com for "edtv" |
| 19:11.20 | pelzi_ | I carried it home, that's it :P |
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| 19:11.34 | dvs | pelzi_: A projector is not a CRT |
| 19:11.40 | pelzi_ | a CRT projector is. |
| 19:11.43 | enouf | folded wall projector |
| 19:11.48 | d0uglas | if you can afford to blow cash on a projector, you might as well buy sco licenses while you're at it |
| 19:11.57 | muh2000 | !paster |
| 19:11.57 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:12.12 | pelzi_ | you know, 3 hi-brightness CRTs. and it was free :P |
| 19:12.19 | Red_Cloud | I have upgraded my packages yesterday. Several of my packages will now not accept my root password. Krusader-2 will not recognize my root password. Any ideas? I can login to root console and other packages accept my root password. |
| 19:12.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: both have neither itp nor are in debian yet... |
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| 19:12.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://happypenguin.org/show?Toy%20Cars |
| 19:12.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: it has a very bad gameplay, i tried it |
| 19:13.02 | Trewas | pelzi_: well, I guess there are LCD projectors which have enough light for 200" image. besides, with a projector aren't the black levels affected by the light in the room quite heavily, unless you paint the walls black or something... |
| 19:13.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: i think miriam or the debian game team has made packages of it, but i can't recommend the game |
| 19:13.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah ok |
| 19:13.13 | pelzi_ | yes, that is a problem |
| 19:13.15 | stoned | I have an older mobo on this desktop here, agp 8x or something. right now I'm using an nvidia fx5200, 128mb with a crappy gpu. what is the cheapest, yet best option to go with here. I want a 256mb card with a good gpu in agp. also looking for a cheap 250+gb hdd sata1. anyone know of cheap sites with almost free shipping if not free |
| 19:13.21 | pelzi_ | I even covered all the LEDs in my devices. |
| 19:13.24 | stoned | abrotman, didn't you tell me of one earlier |
| 19:13.24 | tarzeau | it failed my very high quality assurance tests |
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| 19:13.40 | abrotman | stoned: eh ? |
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| 19:13.52 | pelzi_ | I have a dark carpet, it helps a lot already. |
| 19:13.53 | abrotman | stoned: newegg is ok |
| 19:13.55 | wols | stoned: you want a good GPU and save on shipping? besides: woudln't that be "hardware"? |
| 19:14.02 | Trewas | pelzi_: but anyway, I guess there is little reason to "upgrade" from a good projector :) |
| 19:14.07 | pelzi_ | true. |
| 19:14.11 | stoned | that was the one |
| 19:14.18 | d0uglas | pricewatch lists projectors.. you can't beat pricewatch |
| 19:14.28 | pelzi_ | it will last a few thousand hours and I guess LCDs will be good enough when it's time to replace. |
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| 19:14.44 | enouf | Wyzard: Worstbuy?? here ya go http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7699163&type=product&id=1138084694260 "Westinghouse 42" 1080p LCD HD Monitor Model: LVM-42w2" .. only ~ $1500 |
| 19:15.09 | enouf | I'll never by anything from there |
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| 19:15.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: omg, it's a cow! http://www.luolamies.org/blender/tut_hiddenline |
| 19:15.54 | d0uglas | i hope when holographic projectors are released to the public that the drivers are released open-sourced |
| 19:15.56 | enouf | I do all shopping through Sen ted's youtube dumptrucks :-p |
| 19:16.03 | enouf | !moo |
| 19:16.03 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 19:16.32 | Wyzard | enouf: HD is not worth $1500 to me |
| 19:16.52 | d0uglas | what's this about apt having special cow powers? i don't remember that from toy story |
| 19:16.55 | enouf | newegg, monarchcomputers, and zipzoomfly are all "ok" depending |
| 19:17.05 | Wyzard | d0uglas: apt-get moo |
| 19:17.09 | abrotman | wtf does apt have to do with toy story ? |
| 19:17.09 | d0uglas | i know it's a pretty cow |
| 19:17.10 | tarzeau | d0uglas: or aptitude -v moo |
| 19:17.18 | Wyzard | That's the "super cow powers" |
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| 19:17.38 | Braindead | add verbosity to aptitude,like -vv -vvv etc |
| 19:17.53 | d0uglas | "no easter eggs" hah.. with gems like these how could anyone not run debian |
| 19:18.04 | enouf | Wyzard: ok .. I have no clue what you want/need .. just you mentioned worstbuy and others were chimingnin about capabilities .. but it's all DRM/TCPA/HDMI laden anyays |
| 19:18.15 | Braindead | keep adding v |
| 19:18.20 | enouf | chiming* |
| 19:18.38 | enouf | +v for Braindead 's cause |
| 19:19.08 | khermans | anyone got some reiser jokes? |
| 19:19.21 | Wyzard | enouf: I won't buy DRM stuff that hasn't been cracked... I've heard HDMI is cracked already, but Blu-Ray and HD-DVD themselves haven't, afaik |
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| 19:19.32 | fons | hi |
| 19:19.43 | d0uglas | fons how's it hangin' |
| 19:20.05 | fons | can someone with a recent sid installation (xorg.conf 7.1) pastme the fontpath section of the xorg.conf file? |
| 19:20.25 | fons | paste me I meant |
| 19:20.36 | d0uglas | fons: ok hang on |
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| 19:20.53 | enouf | Wyzard: good for you .. spread the word .. really .. STOP the madness! |
| 19:21.10 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 19:21.19 | pelzi_ | I'm boycotting american culture completely |
| 19:21.25 | pelzi_ | and everything else with DRM |
| 19:21.33 | fons | the fonts are not working for me properly since I opgraded last time |
| 19:21.35 | enouf | 7.0 only here :-( |
| 19:21.35 | fons | upgraded |
| 19:21.37 | pelzi_ | I only buy things I don't have to crack to use. |
| 19:21.44 | fons | and I think its due to fontpath |
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| 19:21.53 | fons | flash plugin diesnt show fonts at all |
| 19:21.56 | enouf | pelzi_: yep .. keep on kepin' on |
| 19:22.03 | enouf | +e |
| 19:22.09 | fons | and emacs only shows squares |
| 19:22.17 | Pegger | I am trying to get bridging working with openvpn http://pastebin.ca/204194 |
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| 19:22.25 | pelzi_ | sure. american popular culture tends to be crap anyway |
| 19:22.28 | enouf | screw flashmonkey ... proprietary crapola |
| 19:22.45 | enouf | pelzi_: exactly |
| 19:22.50 | fons | Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct |
| 19:23.18 | pelzi_ | Pegger: create the device node? |
| 19:23.23 | fons | thanks d0uglas |
| 19:23.51 | Pegger | pelzi_, I believe that is what oenvpn is supose to be doing |
| 19:23.52 | Red_Cloud | I have upgraded my packages yesterday. Several of my packages will now not accept my root password. Krusader-2 will not recognize my root password. Any ideas? I can login to root console and other packages accept my root password. |
| 19:23.54 | d0uglas | fons: pastebinning... |
| 19:24.04 | d0uglas | it's lagging bad |
| 19:24.11 | abrotman | asked #debian-kde ? |
| 19:24.15 | pelzi_ | Pegger: afaik no. the man page told how to do it, other than that I don't know, I use openvpn on bsd. |
| 19:24.37 | pelzi_ | or hmm, my clients are linux, but I use tun, not bridging |
| 19:24.52 | d0uglas | fons: http://pastebin.ca/204225 |
| 19:25.08 | Pegger | pelzi_, which section ? |
| 19:25.19 | pelzi_ | search for mknow |
| 19:25.25 | pelzi_ | mknod* |
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| 19:25.41 | zeluu | Hi |
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| 19:26.14 | fons | thanks d0uglas, I'll reboot xorg to see if it works |
| 19:26.17 | fons | :) |
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| 19:27.50 | fons | it didn't solve the problem |
| 19:27.53 | fons | :( |
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| 19:28.16 | d0uglas | fons: what seems to be the problem? and what video setup do you have? |
| 19:28.29 | stoned | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133125 |
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| 19:28.42 | stoned | check it out |
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| 19:28.49 | stoned | this is like, WOW! |
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| 19:29.05 | zeluu | i have one queston Debian takes 2 dvd? |
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| 19:29.16 | ArrenLex | I just installed Debian Etch and KDE from the repos. kdesu tells me my password is incorrect whenever I try to run anything. Why? Sudo accepts the same password. |
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| 19:29.29 | nosoapdotorg_ | question...what does sid stand for ? |
| 19:29.32 | pelzi_ | kdesu is broken. |
| 19:29.38 | pelzi_ | sid is a character in toy story. |
| 19:29.38 | ArrenLex | ...how do you fix it? |
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| 19:29.47 | d0uglas | zeluu: you may not need every package in the world installed.. maybe start with the 50 meg business card installer? |
| 19:29.51 | pelzi_ | no idea. I don't use kde |
| 19:30.07 | zeluu | i need full instal disc :) |
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| 19:30.18 | pelzi_ | the first one should be enough |
| 19:30.28 | d0uglas | ok you still don't need the dvd |
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| 19:30.39 | pelzi_ | even the first cd has a lot of packages |
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| 19:31.10 | zeluu | mhm i must download only 1 cd? |
| 19:31.11 | abrotman | zeluu: do you have broadband ? |
| 19:31.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: ABROTMAN! |
| 19:31.20 | valdyn | ArrenLex: sudo requires you to enter the user's password, kdesu root's |
| 19:31.21 | pelzi_ | 1 cd is enough. |
| 19:31.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: popcon |
| 19:31.33 | ArrenLex | valdyn: I've tried both passwords in kdesu. |
| 19:31.34 | zeluu | k thx |
| 19:31.36 | abrotman | zeluu: if you have broadband .. the netinst is the ideal way to go |
| 19:31.40 | nosoapdotorg_ | how do i add contrib and non-free to sources.list ...i see them on ftp.debian.org |
| 19:31.41 | nosoapdotorg_ | ? |
| 19:31.42 | pelzi_ | valdyn: depends on how sudo is conigured. |
| 19:31.50 | abrotman | !tell nosoapdotorg_ about contrib |
| 19:31.53 | abrotman | !tell nosoapdotorg_ about non-free |
| 19:31.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you loved bloboats! YOU WILL ADORE and WORSHIP Antigravitaattori |
| 19:32.03 | nosoapdotorg_ | ? |
| 19:32.05 | nosoapdotorg_ | ! |
| 19:32.11 | zeluu | bb |
| 19:32.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: up to 4 players :) great gameplay, great SOUND EFFECTS and great graphics |
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| 19:32.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's sooooooo funny! |
| 19:32.27 | pelzi_ | replace "main" with "main contrib non-free" |
| 19:32.49 | nosoapdotorg_ | thanks |
| 19:33.11 | pelzi_ | "dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com" |
| 19:33.16 | pelzi_ | what a hostname... |
| 19:33.25 | pelzi_ | I wanna be a dhcp hckr too |
| 19:33.28 | d0uglas | who needs more games when you can just use xlander which has the freshest real-world physics simulation technology |
| 19:33.30 | abrotman | that's a location |
| 19:33.44 | enouf | suxlander ? |
| 19:33.48 | abrotman | it's an ISP defined hostmask |
| 19:33.50 | abrotman | erm .. hostname |
| 19:33.57 | pelzi_ | I know |
| 19:34.08 | pelzi_ | I'll change mine to "hckr" |
| 19:34.20 | enouf | frshmeat? ... oh babydoll |
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| 19:34.29 | pelzi_ | or, I should... can't be bothered. |
| 19:34.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: you missed a guy having problems with his: flushbox |
| 19:34.57 | abrotman | aka kde ? |
| 19:35.01 | enouf | tarzeau: tool? |
| 19:35.03 | wols | tarzeau: that's a really serious problem! imagine the smell! |
| 19:35.13 | pelzi_ | just close the lid |
| 19:35.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: fluxbox |
| 19:35.20 | pelzi_ | or whatever it is |
| 19:35.23 | pelzi_ | cover? |
| 19:35.31 | tarzeau | wols: it WAS funny :) |
| 19:35.48 | enouf | DRM = !Flush it all away |
| 19:36.03 | pelzi_ | actually it is not very funny to ask to use your neighbor's flushbox |
| 19:36.04 | enouf | Aenima |
| 19:36.05 | wols | enouf: I hope for more DRM. MUCH more |
| 19:36.27 | pelzi_ | but heck, I should sleep etc. |
| 19:36.28 | enouf | wols: know the reference |
| 19:36.36 | wols | reeference? |
| 19:36.59 | enouf | Tool (the band) Album = Aenima |
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| 19:37.14 | tarzeau | i can apt-get install icedove, but not yet iceweasel? |
| 19:37.27 | tarzeau | why don't they call it icebox ? |
| 19:37.54 | wols | the trademarks from icewm and flushbox would be violated |
| 19:38.11 | tarzeau | wols: hah. there's also iceboxes with dead foxes in them in nethack |
| 19:38.21 | wols | sue them! |
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| 19:38.29 | tarzeau | off with their heads! |
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| 19:39.02 | wols | ok, first sue, then chop the heads off. the lawyers need their pound of flesh^W^W^Wmake a killing^Wliving |
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| 19:42.55 | d0uglas | "scud" ... great codename |
| 19:43.18 | |ryan| | how would one get aptitude to not install reccomends for a specific package? |
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| 19:43.40 | |ryan| | --without-recommends seems to effect everything |
| 19:43.42 | sep | |ryan|, are you too lazy to read man aptitude ? |
| 19:43.42 | abrotman | i believe it's in the options |
| 19:43.46 | struct | tarzeau: dude |
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| 19:43.51 | abrotman | oh .. not for a single package |
| 19:44.07 | stew | |ryan|: use the frontend |
| 19:44.30 | |ryan| | what if I wanted to do it from a script? |
| 19:44.40 | |ryan| | hypotheticly. |
| 19:44.46 | sep | |ryan|, can you not install that package alone first ? (without recomends) then the rest later with recomends ? |
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| 19:45.28 | |ryan| | sep: aptitude wants to REMOVE a large numbe of pacakges when i try to install with --without-recommends |
| 19:45.35 | stew | |ryan|: if you want to just eliminate a single recommends named "bar", try "aptitude install foo bar-" |
| 19:45.56 | |ryan| | stew: Perfect, thank you. |
| 19:46.21 | lunitik | |ryan|: tried using apt-get instead? should be a little nicer in this case.... |
| 19:46.23 | |ryan| | I'm installing some checksum program that inexplicibly reccomends bittorent. |
| 19:46.33 | |ryan| | lunitik: yeah, I used apt-get |
| 19:46.51 | lunitik | |ryan|: same thing? (wants to remove everything) |
| 19:47.20 | |ryan| | apt-get doesn't try to install reccomends. |
| 19:47.41 | stew | |ryan|: which program? perhaps a wishlist bug should be filed saying to drop the relationship from recommends to suggests |
| 19:47.42 | lunitik | |ryan|: isn't that what you want? |
| 19:47.58 | |ryan| | lunitik: yeah. |
| 19:48.09 | |ryan| | stew: it's called cfv |
| 19:48.16 | |ryan| | I'll file a bug. |
| 19:48.34 | tarzeau | struct: yeh? |
| 19:48.56 | |ryan| | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=337796 |
| 19:49.02 | lunitik | tarzeau: I think he didn't like your comment about removing heads |
| 19:49.04 | |ryan| | already filed, and it's rather old. |
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| 19:49.39 | tarzeau | it won't hurt |
| 19:49.41 | struct | tarzeau: just saying hello |
| 19:49.55 | struct | tarzeau: how are you doing? |
| 19:50.08 | tarzeau | struct: very damn good :) |
| 19:50.13 | struct | tarzeau: good to hear |
| 19:50.18 | tarzeau | struct: yourself? |
| 19:50.23 | struct | tarzeau: pretty good |
| 19:50.30 | lunitik | |ryan|: add something to the bug so the maintainer looks at it again :) |
| 19:50.38 | struct | tarzeau: how is swiss land this time of year? |
| 19:50.57 | abrotman | |ryan|: append the bug |
| 19:50.59 | tarzeau | struct: today was beautifully sunnily, i've been on our local mountain enjoying a walk in the forest |
| 19:51.12 | struct | tarzeau: sweet |
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| 19:51.17 | struct | tarzeau: are there bears? |
| 19:51.22 | tarzeau | struct: no rain, no fog, little cuddly clouds like sheep |
| 19:51.39 | tarzeau | struct: nah, just little ants, and some harmless flying insects |
| 19:51.48 | struct | tarzeau: sounds very nice and relaxing |
| 19:51.49 | tarzeau | lunitik: it's not my native tongue |
| 19:51.57 | ttick | hmm, I'd like to make exim4 put all mail in /home/<username>/mail/INBOX instead of /var/spool/mail/<username> I changed /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/30_exim4-config_mail_spool to file = /home/$local_part/mail/INBOX but that doesn't seem to have any effect once I restart. Any suggestions? |
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| 19:52.04 | tarzeau | struct: oh switzerland's great for relaxing, i've been in a hamam last week |
| 19:52.08 | struct | tarzeau: I went to the beach the other day and we swam around |
| 19:52.29 | struct | tarzeau: then we got out of the water to eat supper and my wife took a picture overlooking the water |
| 19:52.29 | tarzeau | struct: and i've been in a river but that was a few monhts ago, since now you need neopren if you don't want to freeze |
| 19:52.33 | ArrenLex | I want to set sudo up so that it lets me run certain specific commands without a password, and asks me for a password for all other commands. How might I do this? |
| 19:52.39 | tarzeau | struct: sound good, got them online? |
| 19:52.52 | tarzeau | struct: i'm going here next week: http://www.papillorama.ch/ |
| 19:52.57 | struct | tarzeau: http://www.linuxbs.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1855&g2_imageViewsIndex=4 |
| 19:53.06 | struct | tarzeau: tell me if you see anything interesting in the water |
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| 19:53.35 | tarzeau | struct: A SHARK! |
| 19:53.43 | struct | tarzeau: yep |
| 19:54.00 | struct | tarzeau: we did not notice until we came home later and looked at the picture |
| 19:54.14 | struct | tarzeau: good thing wife, daughter, and I were not in the water when he swam by |
| 19:54.19 | abrotman | might not have been a shark .. other things have fins |
| 19:54.21 | tarzeau | struct -> HELP!! _\o/___/|___ <- shark |
| 19:54.30 | struct | hehe |
| 19:54.39 | struct | abrotman: what does it look like to you? |
| 19:54.47 | struct | abrotman: a dolphin maybe? |
| 19:54.58 | Daveman | :p |
| 19:54.59 | struct | tarzeau: this place looks very nice |
| 19:55.10 | abrotman | struct: too small for a dolphin i'd think |
| 19:55.17 | wols | abrotman: linenoise |
| 19:55.21 | tarzeau | struct: switzerland is great, let me find some winter photos for you |
| 19:55.27 | valdyn | ttick: read /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz ? |
| 19:55.27 | struct | tarzeau: ok |
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| 19:55.48 | tarzeau | struct: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/photos/jungfraujoch/index.jpg remove index.jpg for the large ones |
| 19:55.49 | struct | abrotman: I have spearfished not far from this beach a lot in the past and I dont know what else it could be but a shark |
| 19:56.17 | tarzeau | struct: and the little town where i live: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/photos/brugg/ |
| 19:56.18 | abrotman | struct: i'm not saying it's not .. but it oculd be something else |
| 19:56.21 | struct | tarzeau: wow you have some nice pictures |
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| 19:56.43 | struct | abrotman: like what though? |
| 19:56.53 | abrotman | big fishy? |
| 19:56.58 | struct | abrotman: what else do you know that has a fin like that |
| 19:57.02 | struct | abrotman: seriously |
| 19:57.09 | abrotman | struct: i am being serious :) |
| 19:57.31 | struct | abrotman: ok well it was a big fish |
| 19:57.33 | struct | abrotman: a shark |
| 19:57.36 | struct | :-P |
| 19:57.41 | abrotman | struct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon .. see .. big fin! |
| 19:57.45 | tarzeau | can they be grilled? |
| 19:57.56 | struct | abrotman: from the fin and the disturbed water behind it it has to be about 5 or 6 feet long |
| 19:57.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes |
| 19:58.03 | struct | tarzeau: anything can be grilled |
| 19:58.10 | Braindead | weasels? |
| 19:58.15 | abrotman | they don't sell shark meat in .ch ? |
| 19:58.15 | tarzeau | budgers! |
| 19:58.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: not sure, maybe in the australian restaurant.. |
| 19:58.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: sharks don't live in our rivers/lakes |
| 19:58.56 | wols | chinese. or japanese |
| 19:59.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: and we don't have octopus .. |
| 19:59.04 | struct | the best fish to eat is baracuda |
| 19:59.06 | wols | tarzeau: go to the zoo. problem solved |
| 19:59.11 | zamaliphe | how to boot the debian net install cd using grub ?? |
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| 19:59.25 | tarzeau | wols: i'm not sure they'll be happy if a shark is missing after i've been there |
| 19:59.27 | abrotman | zamaliphe: you don't .. you just boot off the CD |
| 19:59.42 | wols | they won't miss it. they have so many |
| 20:00.17 | struct | tarzeau: nothing like grilled shark steaks |
| 20:00.56 | abrotman | swordfish ? |
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| 20:01.04 | zamaliphe | abrotman: i dont have rw-cdroom now i need to boot from the iso using grub |
| 20:01.09 | struct | mmmm swordfish |
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| 20:01.25 | struct | tarzeau: you must really like living in swiss land |
| 20:02.03 | enouf | stoned : talk about an old non-upgraded Sid .. 1 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 820 not upgraded. |
| 20:02.18 | stoned | you ddint' do dist-upgradE? |
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| 20:03.12 | lunitik | enouf: why no dist-upgrade in so long? |
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| 20:03.28 | lunitik | enouf: or are all those things held? |
| 20:03.32 | enouf | lunitik: no b0rkage needed |
| 20:03.37 | Timoty_ | how could i use latex under linux ? |
| 20:03.45 | abrotman | install it |
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| 20:03.53 | tarzeau | Timoty_: you mean under debian |
| 20:03.54 | lunitik | enouf: apt-listbugs ... |
| 20:04.00 | abrotman | enouf: uhm .. that's going to get worse and worse .. might as well do it now :) |
| 20:04.05 | tarzeau | Timoty_: because debian's also GNU (Hurd) and GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 20:04.07 | wols | Timoty_: and if you're new to latex, look at lyx |
| 20:04.13 | enouf | stoned: I dist-upgrade to Sid from etch from Sarge .. but selective ever since |
| 20:04.17 | tarzeau | or texmacs |
| 20:04.26 | Timoty_ | lyx? |
| 20:04.26 | Timoty_ | I did install it! |
| 20:04.30 | enouf | abrotman: thanks .. |
| 20:04.50 | Timoty_ | i typed latex into the konsole |
| 20:04.55 | enouf | abrotman: I'm saving up for frustration tolerancwe |
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| 20:05.27 | Timoty_ | and it told me to put the name of the input file but i wanna create a new document so what's going wrong? |
| 20:05.32 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:05.37 | zamaliphe | how to boot the debian net install cd using grub ?? |
| 20:05.39 | zamaliphe | i dont have rw-cdroom now i need to boot from the iso using grub ? |
| 20:05.51 | abrotman | zamaliphe: have you asked google "grub boot ISO" ? |
| 20:06.06 | wols | I doubt grub can |
| 20:06.09 | Timoty_ | any suggestion? |
| 20:06.23 | enouf | For ex : I just realiuzed xmms in no longer installed .. an upgrade awhile back removed 566+ packages ..hehe aptitude at it's finest .. never again |
| 20:06.23 | wols | you might be able to do it with loadlin however |
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| 20:06.33 | stoned | what is a tetex |
| 20:06.38 | stoned | why does it get installed |
| 20:06.43 | tarzeau | struct: it's latex |
| 20:06.50 | wols | Timoty_: run lyx or klyx then |
| 20:06.51 | stoned | stoned |
| 20:06.54 | YoussefAssad | "a tetex"? Am I in #debian or #lindows? |
| 20:07.05 | stoned | YoussefAssad, /topic might help |
| 20:07.09 | Lilandra | Hi, what should I read up on if I want to get my gui back? |
| 20:07.14 | stoned | !tetex |
| 20:07.16 | YoussefAssad | stoned: probably. Cheers |
| 20:07.31 | tarzeau | Lilandra: the x log files? |
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| 20:07.54 | wols | !tell Lilandra about drxx |
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| 20:08.15 | Lilandra | hm...i was upgrading and the kernel changed and...err...now one kernel won't load my wireless...they both won't find a screen |
| 20:08.15 | lunitik | Timoty_: kile is decent |
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| 20:08.43 | Timoty_ | when i installed i did not found the shortcat to the application |
| 20:08.44 | struct | tarzeau: ? |
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| 20:09.11 | wols | Timoty_: open an xterm. type "lyx", press enter |
| 20:09.22 | tarzeau | Timoty_: any terminal will do |
| 20:09.30 | Lilandra | thanks wol |
| 20:09.32 | Timoty_ | tarzeau: will do? |
| 20:09.39 | tarzeau | Timoty_: will work |
| 20:09.50 | Timoty_ | but why didnt i have a shortcut? |
| 20:10.11 | wols | Lilandra: you need to recompile your wireless and videocard modules for your kernel |
| 20:10.22 | lunitik | Timoty_: CLI application... rarely have menu entries... |
| 20:10.23 | tarzeau | i wonder why such stuff gets into debian? http://www.ngolde.de/w3bfukk0r.html |
| 20:10.23 | Lilandra | wols ok! |
| 20:10.32 | wols | Timoty_: have you looked under then debian submenu? |
| 20:10.46 | tarzeau | it's simple one liners in a shell |
| 20:10.53 | wols | lunitik: lyx is a CLI app? good to know |
| 20:11.33 | lunitik | wols: I believe so... guess I'm wrong by your sarcasm? |
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| 20:11.52 | lunitik | tarzeau: because a DD uploaded it? :P |
| 20:12.13 | wols | it's a WYSIWYM document processor |
| 20:13.18 | lunitik | wols: yes... written by the same guy that started KDE... I didn't think it had a GUI though, as he was rather anti-most-every-x-widget-lib before Qt |
| 20:13.19 | tarzeau | lunitik: it's a horrible description: finds hidden directories on webservers |
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| 20:13.29 | struct | tarzeau: have you been to interlocken? |
| 20:13.31 | struct | tarzeau: not sure the spelling |
| 20:13.36 | tarzeau | lunitik: a directory is not hidden when it's just not linked to from anywhere |
| 20:13.43 | tarzeau | struct: interlaken, yes |
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| 20:13.57 | struct | tarzeau: is it nice? |
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| 20:13.58 | tarzeau | struct: http://www.interlaken.ch/ |
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| 20:14.10 | tarzeau | struct: very nice even, great in summer, or for hiking |
| 20:14.25 | Timoty_ | latex is not as easy as typing in word etc right? |
| 20:14.33 | tarzeau | struct: heck you can even go skiing/snowboarding, hiking there in winter |
| 20:14.35 | abrotman | not even close |
| 20:14.42 | struct | stoned: they have a cool train right? |
| 20:14.57 | struct | tarzeau: they have a cool train right |
| 20:14.57 | Guerin | Timoty_: latex is a markup language. The wcontent you want is only part of what you type |
| 20:15.01 | struct | stoned: disregard sorry |
| 20:15.05 | tarzeau | struct: they have many very cool trains |
| 20:15.07 | stoned | lol |
| 20:15.20 | tarzeau | struct: i've even seen one with the number 11337 |
| 20:15.26 | lunitik | ewww... lyx appears to be motif... ew ew ew |
| 20:15.27 | struct | tarzeau: hehe |
| 20:15.27 | tarzeau | struct: when i see it again, i'll make a photo |
| 20:15.35 | struct | tarzeau: ok cool |
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| 20:16.11 | deadcat | whats this mean? Depends: gtk2-engines (>= 1:2.6.8-2), the package is 2.6.8, whats the 1: ? |
| 20:16.14 | tarzeau | struct: i think in interlaken you can have a trip on those very old boats (100 years old) with the large wheels on the sides |
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| 20:16.34 | lunitik | deadcat: its the umm... theres a name for it... defines priority though |
| 20:16.35 | cr4 | I'm running sid and I can't seem to get the touchpad tap function to work. in my xorg.conf, I have synaptics and TapButton1, 2, 3 options set. what might I be missing? |
| 20:16.48 | struct | tarzeau: oh thats cool |
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| 20:16.57 | struct | tarzeau: like on the river you mean? |
| 20:17.21 | deadcat | lunitik: ya. i am trying to build the same package with patches but i cant get the 1: in front of the package name... and when i dist-upgrade it keeps upgrading to the old version (1:2.8...) |
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| 20:17.25 | tarzeau | struct: these http://mishilo.image.pbase.com/u32/renato52/upload/31520101.DSC_0110Kopie.jpg |
| 20:17.36 | deadcat | lunitik: where would i add that using dh_make? |
| 20:18.10 | struct | tarzeau: cool |
| 20:18.11 | tarzeau | struct: i always fall asleep under the soft sunrays on those boats, when they shake slowly back and forth |
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| 20:18.35 | struct | tarzeau: where was this http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/photos/jungfraujoch/IMG_3680.jpg |
| 20:19.03 | Award | Is there a good "easy" way of getting a dos boot disk for running a BIOS flash util on a Lin only system? |
| 20:19.09 | tarzeau | struct: top of europe, jungfraujoch (they have that icy cave there) |
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| 20:19.26 | struct | tarzeau: who made the sculptures? |
| 20:19.39 | tarzeau | struct: some old man? |
| 20:19.47 | struct | tarzeau: nice |
| 20:19.56 | ahlfors | Award, find an ms-dos downloadable floppy disk, then dd it to a 1.5 mb FAT12 partition on a USB drive |
| 20:20.00 | tarzeau | struct: switzlernad is a country of selfdoers... hard to find a barber here |
| 20:20.10 | ahlfors | Then copy the flash update utility to the disk |
| 20:20.15 | struct | tarzeau: everyone cuts their own hair? |
| 20:20.33 | Award | ahlfors: Ahh, cool, I didn't know there were downloadable ones |
| 20:20.49 | tarzeau | struct: no, i meant barbs |
| 20:20.50 | ahlfors | Award, you should be able to find disk images online. I have used one for exactly this purpose |
| 20:20.53 | abrotman | <nelson>HA HA</nelson> .. eagles lose to the saints ... |
| 20:20.58 | tarzeau | struct: i mean, try italy, turkey |
| 20:21.08 | Award | By the way, this goes along with something I've been asking recently but doesn anybody know just what is different about the sarge boot image (CD) versus all previous debian boot images that may make it not boot on some systems? |
| 20:21.17 | tarzeau | struct: you sit in a large leather seat, enjoy looking out, drinking a tea and talk while you get shaved |
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| 20:21.25 | tarzeau | struct: in switzerland you do it on your own |
| 20:21.30 | Award | On the machine in question, woody, woody bf2.4, hamm all boot...sarge does not. |
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| 20:21.33 | struct | tarzeau: ah |
| 20:21.44 | Award | It won't even recognize the file system type/size prooperly. |
| 20:21.45 | tarzeau | struct: i really hate shaving |
| 20:21.57 | abrotman | Award: the kernel version ? |
| 20:22.18 | Award | abrotman: I'd say it's "possible" but it seems to die out before it even gets to trying to load the kernel. |
| 20:22.19 | struct | tarzeau: me too |
| 20:22.31 | struct | tarzeau: I like tea though |
| 20:22.36 | abrotman | Award: what's special about the system ? |
| 20:22.39 | Award | abrotman: Someone suggested the other day it may be the 2.88mb boot image, but woody bf2.4 is 2.88mb as well... |
| 20:22.43 | tarzeau | struct: so do i, got a tea garden? |
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| 20:22.53 | abrotman | Award: uhm .. you can't use those |
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| 20:23.05 | Guerin | mm, tea |
| 20:23.13 | struct | tarzeau: no |
| 20:23.16 | Award | abrotman: For woody the system prints out "FS 2.88 System Type-(00)" and continues to boot. For sarge it prints "FS (unreadable ascii chars) System Type-(00) |
| 20:23.18 | abrotman | Award: an x86 box ? |
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| 20:23.21 | struct | tarzeau: however I have quite an asortment |
| 20:23.34 | Award | abrotman: Yeah, it's a P75. |
| 20:23.36 | struct | tarzeau: green tea, black tea all sorts of teas |
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| 20:23.46 | struct | tarzeau: from all over too |
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| 20:23.52 | Award | abrotman: Sure you can use the 2.88 image...that's the only one around. |
| 20:23.57 | ahlfors | Award, try http://www.bootdisk.info/ |
| 20:23.59 | tarzeau | struct: i like lemon, black, jasmine and lime-tree blossom teas most |
| 20:24.01 | abrotman | Award: IIRC ... 2.88 only works with a certain floppy disk drive type |
| 20:24.05 | Award | abrotman: I've used it on planty of other systems. |
| 20:24.07 | abrotman | Award: and no .. they aren't |
| 20:24.12 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 20:24.13 | dpkg | well, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 If you etch/testing chage "stable" to "etch". |
| 20:24.14 | Award | abrotman: err, no, the CD image, not an actual floppy |
| 20:24.26 | Award | abrotman: the netinst minimal CDs. |
| 20:24.40 | struct | tarzeau: we make lime tree leaf tea here |
| 20:24.52 | struct | tarzeau: picked right from the tree fresh |
| 20:24.58 | tarzeau | struct: cool. ever had pepper plants? |
| 20:25.06 | abrotman | Award: from which directory ? |
| 20:25.11 | struct | tarzeau: pepper plants tea? |
| 20:25.15 | tarzeau | struct: not tea :) |
| 20:25.24 | tarzeau | struct: but pepper from the garden |
| 20:25.30 | struct | tarzeau: ah yes |
| 20:25.32 | Award | abrotman: Do note that the disc that won't boot on the P75 DOES boot on a laptop and a PII-233 I have around just fine. |
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| 20:25.39 | abrotman | Award: now is the time where you run outside and scream "The Saints rule!" |
| 20:25.41 | struct | tarzeau: we have wild pepper here |
| 20:25.49 | Award | abrotman: I'm just curious what could be different about it that on the (odd) 75 it won't boot, while woody will. |
| 20:25.51 | tarzeau | struct: that's nice |
| 20:25.52 | struct | tarzeau: bahamians love pepper and they use it in all native cooking |
| 20:25.58 | tarzeau | struct: i miss the fruits from the south |
| 20:26.02 | abrotman | Award: did you try both sarge kernels ? |
| 20:26.07 | struct | tarzeau: especially conch salad |
| 20:26.14 | Award | abrotman: No, just the standard 2.6 |
| 20:26.14 | Guerin | struct: fresh green pepper is one of god's gifts to the world |
| 20:26.15 | tarzeau | struct: i dislike vegetables |
| 20:26.19 | struct | tarzeau: south of what? |
| 20:26.24 | abrotman | Award: i'd be interested to know if the 2.4 ones work |
| 20:26.25 | struct | Guerin: yes I agree |
| 20:26.28 | Guerin | tarzeau: pepper isn't a vegetable, it's a spice |
| 20:26.31 | tarzeau | struct: south of switzerland |
| 20:26.36 | struct | tarzeau: I love vegatables |
| 20:26.36 | tarzeau | Guerin: i meant for the salad |
| 20:26.41 | Guerin | struct: i became horribly addicted to it in Cambodia |
| 20:26.46 | Guerin | tarzeau: oh. |
| 20:26.49 | struct | tarzeau: what is in the south of switzerland that you miss? |
| 20:26.57 | struct | Guerin: its not a bad thing to be addicted to |
| 20:27.03 | abrotman | Guerin: i htink he means like bell peppers |
| 20:27.04 | tarzeau | struct: kiwi, melons, and other fruits like that |
| 20:27.06 | Award | abrotman: Yeah but 2.6 would be useful since I'm trying to run SATA drives (though that's a different issue entirely and may not be possible...whenever I plug a drive into my SATA card, the system won't boot to ANY device :) |
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| 20:27.14 | struct | tarzeau: ah |
| 20:27.14 | tarzeau | struct: pineapple, mango |
| 20:27.18 | Award | abrotman: I'm hoping the BIOS flash fixes it, but I'm not holding my breath. |
| 20:27.21 | abrotman | Award: 2.4 supports some SATA controllers |
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| 20:27.25 | Guerin | struct: it is when you're no longer in southeast asia and the only pepper you can realistically get is corns |
| 20:27.30 | struct | tarzeau: we have all those fruits here and more that most people never heard of |
| 20:27.31 | Award | abrotman: Ahh, really? Cool. |
| 20:27.38 | Award | abrotman: I'll give 2.4 a shot then. |
| 20:27.40 | tarzeau | struct: sounds exciting |
| 20:27.47 | tarzeau | struct: i so love fruits... |
| 20:27.51 | Guerin | abrotman: oh. |
| 20:28.00 | Guerin | we call those capsicum |
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| 20:28.09 | struct | tarzeau: we have things called sea grapes, hog plums, suger apples, dilly, guava etc... |
| 20:28.17 | struct | tarzeau: I love fruits too |
| 20:28.18 | Guerin | ftr, I'm talking about fresh peppercorns |
| 20:28.19 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. we have spice peper .. and veggie pepper here |
| 20:28.25 | Award | abrotman: The sata in question is SiI |
| 20:28.25 | struct | I wish the food store would have more native fruits |
| 20:28.29 | tarzeau | struct: and wine? |
| 20:28.35 | abrotman | Award: you mean Sil |
| 20:28.36 | Award | abrotman: BTW, does SATA hot swap work in either kernel? |
| 20:28.42 | Award | abrotman: err, Sil, yhes. |
| 20:28.43 | Award | yes |
| 20:28.47 | abrotman | Award: that's a controller/drive question |
| 20:28.50 | struct | but all they ever have is the north american fruits like apples, oranges, pears etc.. |
| 20:29.00 | abrotman | and i *seriously* doubt any Sil controller supports hotswap |
| 20:29.16 | Award | abrotman: I figured. |
| 20:29.17 | tarzeau | struct: but pears and apples are nice too! |
| 20:29.20 | wols | abrotman: the higher end ones which are never used on mobos miht |
| 20:29.23 | tarzeau | struct: and i love berries |
| 20:29.23 | wols | *might |
| 20:29.31 | struct | some of the best pineapple is grown here but we always have dole pine apples |
| 20:29.39 | Award | abrotman: That would have been a good answer to the boot issue. |
| 20:29.39 | struct | tarzeau: yes all fruits are nice |
| 20:29.42 | abrotman | wols: his isn't on a mobo |
| 20:29.53 | tarzeau | struct: fruits are erotic |
| 20:29.56 | abrotman | Award: it's a Sil 3112 controller ? |
| 20:29.56 | wols | he cheapo PCI cards neither |
| 20:29.58 | struct | tarzeau: you would like the mountains where my wife is from |
| 20:30.05 | struct | tarzeau: they have all sorts of berries |
| 20:30.07 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 20:30.07 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 20:30.09 | tarzeau | struct: i also love the sea |
| 20:30.10 | struct | tarzeau: got to watch out for the bears though |
| 20:30.14 | keko_ | abrotman: do you have ime to help me now to setup my wireless :) |
| 20:30.26 | struct | tarzeau: is swiss land near the sea? |
| 20:30.29 | abrotman | keko_: why do you keep changing nics ? |
| 20:30.36 | abrotman | struct: get a map |
| 20:30.38 | Award | abrotman: It's rather odd that this system refuses to boot correctly :) |
| 20:30.38 | tarzeau | struct: switzerland. well italy is next |
| 20:30.48 | struct | tarzeau: ah |
| 20:30.52 | tarzeau | struct: there's france and germany too |
| 20:30.55 | abrotman | Award: oh yeah .. because old hardware never has an issue :) |
| 20:31.04 | struct | abrotman: no |
| 20:31.04 | Award | abrotman: hehe |
| 20:31.09 | tarzeau | struct: but the lakes here are nice too, and the mountain lakes |
| 20:31.19 | tarzeau | struct: the climate is much like north turkey or new zealand, very green |
| 20:31.20 | keko_ | this is my nick i was chaging pcs.. |
| 20:31.23 | struct | tarzeau: yes they sound nice and look nice also |
| 20:31.24 | Award | abrotman: I've found most hold hardware to be less temprimental than new hardware ;) |
| 20:31.31 | tarzeau | struct: there's also nice country sides with a lot of farmers |
| 20:31.36 | struct | tarzeau: yes I see that from the pictures |
| 20:31.48 | struct | tarzeau: the nice houses with green all over them growing |
| 20:31.49 | Guerin | tarzeau: except you're probably at higher altitude than anywhere habitable in NZ |
| 20:31.55 | tarzeau | struct: some parts in switzerland have very nice spoken languages |
| 20:31.58 | Award | Temperamental |
| 20:32.05 | struct | tarzeau: english? |
| 20:32.08 | tarzeau | Guerin: probably, i'm at 350 m over sea |
| 20:32.14 | abrotman | Award: usually ... |
| 20:32.26 | Award | abrotman: This was a good mobo for its day. |
| 20:32.28 | tarzeau | struct: no, german (swiss german, it's different), french, italian and "roman" |
| 20:32.38 | tarzeau | struct: www.admin.ch for some information |
| 20:32.39 | Award | abrotman: Tekram...decent quality, not like a lot of other stuff of that era :) |
| 20:32.40 | abrotman | Award: is there a legacy mode in the controller bios ? |
| 20:32.40 | struct | tarzeau: what about python? |
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| 20:32.47 | keko_ | abrotman: what then when i have update-usbids ? |
| 20:32.49 | tarzeau | struct: no snakes here, no dangerous animals |
| 20:32.52 | Guerin | oh, 350m isn't that high. Brooklyn hill in the middle of wellington, 1km from the coast is that high |
| 20:32.56 | struct | tarzeau: I can understand python for the most part |
| 20:32.57 | abrotman | keko_: paste the contents of lsusb |
| 20:32.59 | abrotman | !paster |
| 20:32.59 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:32.59 | Award | abrotman: legacy mode? |
| 20:33.04 | tarzeau | struct: more people take their life themselves (jump in front of a train, or drugging) |
| 20:33.04 | struct | tarzeau: no the language not the reptile |
| 20:33.06 | struct | :-P |
| 20:33.08 | abrotman | Award: some SATA controllers support legacy mode |
| 20:33.16 | abrotman | Award: so they appear PATA-ish |
| 20:33.24 | struct | tarzeau: too bad |
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| 20:33.37 | struct | tarzeau: I would think people would not need such things in swiss land |
| 20:33.44 | struct | tarzeau: its so nice looking everywhere |
| 20:33.49 | tarzeau | struct: it happens quite a lot |
| 20:34.01 | tarzeau | struct: it's probably also weather influenced |
| 20:34.12 | struct | tarzeau: weather? |
| 20:34.21 | tarzeau | struct: people have a problem here, with contacts, it seems. yeah some parts have very bad weather |
| 20:34.23 | struct | tarzeau: why weather? |
| 20:34.35 | tarzeau | struct: a lot of people don't know what to do, don't have a living plan, can't enjoy life |
| 20:34.39 | tarzeau | (for reasons unknown to me) |
| 20:35.00 | struct | tarzeau: people like that everywhere |
| 20:35.08 | tarzeau | struct: oh the computer language... heh |
| 20:35.25 | ttick | okay, still can't get mail delivered correctly: |
| 20:35.28 | ttick | hmm, I'd like to make exim4 put all mail in /home/<username>/mail/INBOX instead of /var/spool/mail/<username> I changed /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/30_exim4-config_mail_spool to file = /home/$local_part/mail/INBOX but that doesn't seem to have any effect once I restart. Any suggestions? |
| 20:35.30 | Award | abrotman: I don't see any such setting, no. |
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| 20:35.44 | abrotman | Award: worth a check .. ah well |
| 20:35.52 | struct | tarzeau: yes |
| 20:36.02 | struct | tarzeau: python and C I can understand some |
| 20:36.08 | keko_ | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0957:0163 Silicon integrated Systems corp, Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 20:36.09 | Award | abrotman: Though I don't see why it would be a tremendous problem overall. (BTW for reference I plugged the controller and a drive into the 233 box and it works fine, so it's definitely system specific interation. |
| 20:36.12 | tarzeau | struct: C is nice, so is Objective-C |
| 20:36.15 | Award | (PII 233 that is) |
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| 20:36.24 | tarzeau | struct: and i really like awk, shell and sed |
| 20:36.29 | abrotman | Award: any other PCI cards? |
| 20:36.57 | abrotman | Award: what's the error ? |
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| 20:37.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/393265 |
| 20:37.18 | deadcat | how do i make dh_make add the 1: in front of a package version? like from 2.8.55 to 1:2.55 |
| 20:37.18 | Award | abrotman: On the 75, there's a PCI vid card, PCI NIC (I tried removing that as well) |
| 20:37.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: i could rename it to ricer racing game? |
| 20:37.31 | ttick | by default, exim4 uses the conf.d directory stuff, right? Not the one-big file, right? |
| 20:37.32 | struct | tarzeau: yes those are not bad either |
| 20:37.32 | deadcat | i mean 1:2.8.55 |
| 20:37.40 | keko_ | abrotman: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0957:0163 Silicon integrated Systems corp, Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 20:37.41 | tarzeau | struct: i really gotta go to bed |
| 20:37.52 | abrotman | keko_: only one device ? |
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| 20:38.10 | abrotman | keko_: paste the contents of lsusb -v channels.debian.net/paste |
| 20:38.14 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 20:38.19 | abrotman | keko_: paste the contents of lsusb -v ... use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 20:38.40 | keko_ | i have in usb port only wireless adapter |
| 20:38.48 | abrotman | i know .. i still need more info |
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| 20:39.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: find a better game! |
| 20:39.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: man, this IS GREAT! |
| 20:39.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: try it! T |
| 20:39.35 | Award | abrotman: The "error" is literally nothingness :) It gets as far as (for, say, booting to a woody CD) "FS 2.88 System Type-(00)" and then....nothing happens....permanantly. If I have the managed NIC in with its chain boot loader (without the HD plugged in, the NICs boot rom checks for a PXE server silently, then goes on to boot the woody CD normally.) WIth the HD plugged in it reports "MBA GetConfig Error: Adapter not found" |
| 20:39.35 | Award | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.54 | abrotman | Award: have you tried just regular floppy installer images ? |
| 20:40.00 | struct | tarzeau: ok sleep well |
| 20:40.42 | keko_ | abrotman: thats little bit hard to do bicause i dont have x installed yet.. |
| 20:40.56 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 20:40.57 | dpkg | well, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 20:41.34 | Award | abrotman: Yep, it dosn't boot to floppy....or IDE HD either. |
| 20:41.53 | Award | abrotman (when I plug in a SATA drive. With the SATA CARD installed, all is fine...but plug a drive INTO the card....and nothing will boot) |
| 20:41.54 | abrotman | Award: it doesn't boot from floppy ? |
| 20:42.20 | abrotman | Award: check the BIOS .. make sure you're not reserving any irqs or anything .. |
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| 20:42.28 | Award | abrotman: Nope. It's as though the SATA drives connect seem to "interrupt" the BIOS when it goes to load a boot image of any kind. |
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| 20:42.55 | Award | abrotman: Note I've tried the SATA controller in different slots as well to be sure it wasn't conflicting with the EISA slots. |
| 20:43.08 | Award | abrotman: Good thought.. |
| 20:43.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: egoboo ? |
| 20:43.15 | Award | abrotman: I'll take a look. |
| 20:43.28 | abrotman | Award: or maybe reset the bios to factory defaults |
| 20:43.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i never was able to enjoy the gameplay. you? |
| 20:43.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: it looks cool, but really not playable |
| 20:43.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: of egoboo ? |
| 20:43.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: ya egoboo |
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| 20:44.00 | abrotman | i don't like nethack .. you do |
| 20:44.02 | keko_ | abrotman: my usb ethernet adapter is jensen airlink 6554 something |
| 20:44.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: i like the classical one |
| 20:44.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: and NetHack.app of course, on OPENSTEP (which we soon should get an OS X and GNUstep port) |
| 20:44.29 | tarzeau | the only one with sound! |
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| 20:45.02 | abrotman | keko_: you can try ndiswrapper .. but i've never used it ... |
| 20:46.04 | keko_ | abrotman: ok.. what you think its possible to use jensens scandinavia linux driver |
| 20:46.48 | keko_ | i try to install it but it was very complicated :) |
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| 20:48.19 | seriouslycgi | hi everyone, ive had a problem with most linux distros recently if i cut and past in a file browser it locks the computer up, same thing if i open a video player. its a 600mhz celeron with 256mbsd pc100. im using deb3.1 sarge now. would it be a driver problem or machine specific? |
| 20:48.22 | tekane | Hey guys how can i make a program install on my system only executeable by root, so none of the users can run it? |
| 20:48.42 | Daveman | :) |
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| 20:49.14 | Award | abrotman: nope... |
| 20:49.14 | Triona | tekane, chown root executable-file && chmod 700 executable-file |
| 20:49.29 | Award | abrotman: factory is a good thought too...though Everything seems to be pretty stock as it is. |
| 20:49.31 | tekane | thanks |
| 20:49.39 | Pegger | anyone got openvpn working with pam? |
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| 20:49.46 | keko_ | how to install x in my laptop ?? :) |
| 20:49.52 | abrotman | Award: that's what you'd think |
| 20:49.56 | abrotman | keko_: which WM do you want ? |
| 20:50.21 | keko_ | xfce |
| 20:51.07 | Eulex | keko_, no, you use xfwm4 |
| 20:51.21 | Eulex | s/use/want/ |
| 20:51.37 | Eulex | xfce is the name of the desktop environment, xfwm4 is its window manager |
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| 20:52.18 | keko_ | okey |
| 20:52.35 | keko_ | so how i can intall that all packet with xcfe |
| 20:52.42 | Eulex | apt-get install xfce4 |
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| 20:52.50 | Eulex | then you'd prolly want X too |
| 20:52.51 | |ac3| | Hi |
| 20:52.55 | Eulex | apt-get install x-window-systemn |
| 20:52.58 | Award | abrotman: It was worth a try, but no such luck. |
| 20:53.02 | Eulex | x-window-system |
| 20:53.20 | keko_ | iscan i install those in same time |
| 20:53.35 | Eulex | keko_, yes, apt-get install xfce4 x-window-system |
| 20:53.49 | abrotman | Award: so you've tried the 2.4 and 2.6 netinst kernels ? |
| 20:54.05 | keko_ | oulrait thanks il try |
| 20:54.27 | Award | abrotman: I haven't tried sarge 2.4. Though that's a seperate issue from the HD issue. |
| 20:55.05 | Award | abrotman: Where exactly is the sarge 2.4 cd image (or is there one?) The link from before was floppies only |
| 20:55.49 | zethreth | Hey, I was hoping someone might have an idea to why chroot keeps telling me "Exec format error" when I try and run /bin/bash to enter my debootsrtapped environment. I'm running x86 and the bootstrap is for ARM. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it. I guess I could great another 386 environment and try chrooting in to see what happens. I've been poking away at it for some time now and haven't found an answer. |
| 20:55.54 | keko_ | time goes fast with linux :D |
| 20:56.18 | abrotman | Award: same as the normal |
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| 20:57.07 | Award | abrotman: ? I see only a 2.6 CD image. |
| 20:57.39 | valdyn | zethreth: how the hell is are arm binaries supposed to work on a x86 kernel? |
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| 20:58.19 | node_ | valdyn: ... |
| 20:58.41 | valdyn | node_: yes? |
| 20:58.53 | abrotman | Award: the netinst ISO has a 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 20:59.16 | keko_ | brb |
| 20:59.52 | rumpl | What is the way of finding libraries that have been installed for dependencies and have been kept after removing the dependent program and are no more used by any program? Thanks |
| 21:00.02 | abrotman | deborphan |
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| 21:00.31 | rumpl | Thanks |
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| 21:00.32 | Award | abrotman: Err, as I said, I can't boot the image :) I can't get far enough to choose which kernel :) |
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| 21:01.00 | Award | abrotman: Even without SATA stuff blocking ANY boot, for some reason sarge won't boot at all, while woody will |
| 21:01.47 | abrotman | Award: you're saying the installer won't boot at all ? |
| 21:01.58 | zethreth | valdyn: Your right I have to pass the foreign option to debootstrap |
| 21:02.36 | valdyn | zethreth: no idea what that option does, chroot just wont and cant work |
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| 21:07.37 | Crysis | I tryed to install etch and windows on the same HD, but that doesnt worked that said that cant create a partition now I try to install only ETCH on tghis HD but it is really really slow, it take 45 minutes for launch the partition tool.... |
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| 21:10.00 | Crysis | pelzi_ |
| 21:10.32 | Award | abrotman: exactly |
| 21:10.40 | Crysis | abrotman |
| 21:10.48 | Guerin | abrotman |
| 21:10.55 | asg | abrotman |
| 21:11.06 | Guerin | His name is a brotman! |
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| 21:11.39 | asg | Guerin: just a brotman, he comes in six packs you know |
| 21:11.57 | Crysis | I tryed to install etch and windows on the same HD, but that doesnt worked that said that cant create a partition now I try to install only ETCH on tghis HD but it is really really slow, it take 45 minutes for launch the partition tool.... |
| 21:12.11 | Guerin | crack off a can of abrotman, you'll be feeling just fine ... |
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| 21:12.25 | zepeuga | i have a .patch file, how can i patch my kernel with that ? |
| 21:12.32 | abrotman | Award: so floppies don't boot and the ISO won't boot either ? |
| 21:12.33 | Guerin | ~iyhtays |
| 21:12.41 | Guerin | !iyhtays |
| 21:12.41 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 21:12.45 | amphi | zepeuga: read the README in the toplevel kernel source directory |
| 21:12.55 | Crysis | abrotman can you help me ? |
| 21:13.00 | Award | abrotman: yes. |
| 21:14.06 | abrotman | Crysis: what is the problem ? |
| 21:14.14 | Crysis | I tryed to install etch and windows on the same HD, but that doesnt worked that said that cant create a partition now I try to install only ETCH on tghis HD but it is really really slow, it take 45 minutes for launch the partition tool.... |
| 21:14.24 | zepeuga | amphi, its a patch, not for upgrading a kernel, but to correct something for a driver |
| 21:15.33 | Award | abrotman: Ok, I'm going leave for now, thanks for all your help. If you think of anything on it, let me know, I'm here often :) |
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| 21:15.49 | ma3x | what do I resize first (shrink) - fs or partition? |
| 21:16.42 | tarzeau | ma3x: first make a backup |
| 21:16.51 | ma3x | tarzeau: and then? |
| 21:17.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: then try to find out... i've never managed to do that... |
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| 21:17.47 | lunitik | ma3x: partition |
| 21:18.30 | ma3x | lunitik: no |
| 21:18.37 | Crysis | abrotman I tryed to install etch and windows on the same HD, but that doesnt worked that said that cant create a partition and that had broken my windows... Now I want to install only debian on this HD but that is really slow... for example that take 45 minuts to execute the partition tool... and my HD dont search while this time and my internet connection is not used... is it normal ? |
| 21:18.52 | ma3x | tarzeau: you're a smart guy. how come you never played with that? |
| 21:19.03 | abrotman | Crysis: no .. but i've never had that problem either |
| 21:19.12 | tarzeau | ma3x: i've always made them large enough :) |
| 21:19.20 | lunitik | ma3x: ? |
| 21:19.29 | Crysis | abrotman that take how many time for you ? |
| 21:19.50 | ma3x | lunitik: if you shrink, first fs then partition |
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| 21:20.01 | ma3x | tarzeau: its time to test some stuff |
| 21:20.10 | ma3x | tarzeau: i never do backups |
| 21:20.37 | lunitik | ma3x: partition is part of the fs... a division of fs... how would you shrink something smaller than its contents? |
| 21:20.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: i can see you losing your data already |
| 21:21.42 | abrotman | Crysis: jsut a few minutes normally |
| 21:21.51 | fata1 | does anyone here implement some kind of incremental backup system that uses compression? eg updating a 7z archive with changed files |
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| 21:23.51 | Crysis | abrotman I have a core 2 duo and 1 GB of ram.... |
| 21:24.13 | abrotman | shouldn't take tha tlong |
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| 21:24.40 | Crysis | abrotman while this time the CD is not utilised and the internet too.. |
| 21:24.55 | Crysis | I have tryed with installgui and with text command that is the same.. |
| 21:25.36 | tarzeau | !tryed |
| 21:25.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tryed is not English. I think you meant to say 'tried'. "tryed" _is_ English, just middle / old English. |
| 21:25.57 | Crysis | lol ok sorry :p |
| 21:27.28 | ma3x | lunitik: filesystem is part of the partition |
| 21:27.38 | ma3x | you can't create a file system without a partition |
| 21:27.47 | ma3x | you can create partition without a fs |
| 21:27.54 | Crysis | abrotman what need I to do ? |
| 21:28.06 | ma3x | tarzeau: just loosers loose data |
| 21:28.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: disagree |
| 21:28.27 | lunitik | ma3x: you don't mean loose |
| 21:28.31 | tarzeau | ma3x: besides it's lose |
| 21:28.53 | tarzeau | you can loose ropes |
| 21:28.53 | abrotman | Crysis: which installer did you use ? |
| 21:28.55 | ma3x | tarzeau: i've become a real guru in resizing ext2 partitions |
| 21:29.01 | lunitik | tarzeau: now now... your english isn't that great either... ;) |
| 21:29.06 | tarzeau | ma3x: but not so in english grammacy |
| 21:29.08 | ma3x | tarzeau: you can always come back. unless you format your data |
| 21:29.26 | tarzeau | oops grammacy is wrong too |
| 21:29.35 | ma3x | tarzeau: since you know one word more than me, that doesn't make you better |
| 21:29.37 | ma3x | you see? |
| 21:29.38 | lunitik | tarzeau: indeed :P |
| 21:29.40 | tarzeau | ma3x: ever did an mkfs.ext2 over an existing ext2 partition? |
| 21:29.59 | tarzeau | ma3x: i've never said i'm better than anyone. i was just kindly correcting you, in the hope you'd learn |
| 21:30.08 | tarzeau | ma3x: i'm sorry if you feel attacked |
| 21:30.10 | ma3x | tarzeau: no idea, I don't use mkfs.ext2 |
| 21:30.18 | ma3x | tarzeau: hehe o |
| 21:30.18 | ma3x | k |
| 21:30.34 | tarzeau | lunitik: ah well, feel free to correct me, i'll try to improve |
| 21:30.54 | wols | ma3x: you can create a partition on any file, disks, partitions, etc. doesn't matter. if it's a file you can have a FS on it. And you know that everything is a file... |
| 21:31.39 | Crysis | abrotman I used the netinstall testing i386 |
| 21:31.47 | x_link | wols: The computer is starting now =) |
| 21:32.00 | tarzeau | Crysis: i've tried so using d-i alpha, it wouldn't even boot |
| 21:32.08 | ma3x | wols: but first you have to partition that space, to *mark* it. otherwise no filesystem is possible |
| 21:32.11 | abrotman | Crysis: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:32.11 | x_link | wols: But I don't get that BIOS beep when it starts, I don't get any picture on my monitor. |
| 21:32.24 | wols | ma3x: inform yourself better please. no you don't have to |
| 21:32.25 | tarzeau | it was also like that with the last stable relase/d-i... netboot/inst worked though, guess i'll do the same now again |
| 21:32.36 | ma3x | wols: ok how do you create a file system without a partition? |
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| 21:32.45 | wols | mkdfs /dev/hda |
| 21:32.45 | Crysis | tarzeau you have a core 2 duo ? |
| 21:32.46 | wols | done |
| 21:32.51 | tarzeau | Crysis: a what? |
| 21:32.53 | hell-patrol | hello |
| 21:32.56 | wols | use whatever mkfs subtype you want |
| 21:33.18 | hell-patrol | i have problem whit vga (S3 ViRGE DX/GX |
| 21:33.31 | hell-patrol | i cant find driver for s3 |
| 21:33.37 | wols | hell-patrol: virge |
| 21:33.40 | hell-patrol | i use XFree86 |
| 21:33.41 | wols | that's the driver |
| 21:33.44 | Crysis | tarzeau a core 2 duo the new CPUof intel! I try to install it but that it so slow it take 45 minuts for launch the partition tool |
| 21:33.53 | hell-patrol | i try it |
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| 21:33.59 | hell-patrol | but no effect |
| 21:34.18 | ma3x | wols: if you create a file system, what kind of a file system would that be without a partition? give me an example |
| 21:34.21 | wols | hell-patrol: learn to make a proper problem description |
| 21:34.36 | abrotman | fewer enters! |
| 21:34.38 | wols | ma3x: any filesystem. etc, reiser, ext2, xfs, jfs |
| 21:34.42 | hell-patrol | ok |
| 21:35.02 | ma3x | wols: but I mean what will contain that filesystem? on what will it be put? |
| 21:35.05 | Crysis | abrotman will with the full ISO faster ? |
| 21:35.14 | wols | ma3x: on the fscking disk! |
| 21:35.28 | wols | how dense are you? well, I guess I forgot, sorry |
| 21:35.30 | ma3x | wols: well isn't that a partition with a fs already? |
| 21:35.45 | abrotman | Crysis: no |
| 21:35.46 | wols | ma3x: hda is a partition on your PC? since when? |
| 21:35.50 | abrotman | Crysis: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:35.59 | wols | it's a harddisk as you should know |
| 21:36.06 | liable | Crysis: is it a laptop? |
| 21:36.28 | ma3x | wols: hda1,2... are partitions. |
| 21:36.36 | wols | hda != hda1,2 |
| 21:37.23 | Crysis | liable no |
| 21:37.55 | ma3x | wols: what if you create filesystem? will that not be hda1? |
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| 21:38.08 | wols | !moron ma3x |
| 21:38.09 | dpkg | ma3x: You are moron #94 |
| 21:38.39 | wols | unless one makes a partition, there is NO hda1, so it can't be hda1, can it? |
| 21:38.50 | ma3x | wols: so if you can create filesystems without partition, what do you need the partitions for then? |
| 21:38.51 | fata1 | ma3x, wols: what is the point of your debate, what are you trying to acheive? |
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| 21:39.20 | ma3x | wols: you could just use one filesystems and be happy with that |
| 21:39.24 | wols | ma3x: sometimes you like to boot from harddisk. sometimes you want more than one partition. rare I know, but i've seen it happen |
| 21:39.27 | wols | crazy stuff |
| 21:40.38 | wols | fata1: he won't believe me that you don#t need partitions for creating a filesystem somewhere |
| 21:40.42 | ma3x | wols: are more filesystems possible without partitioning |
| 21:41.01 | CHodapp | all you really need is a big block of writable data |
| 21:41.01 | wols | no, why would it? |
| 21:41.06 | ma3x | wols: I believe you, but I don't get the idea of filesystem without partition |
| 21:41.16 | abrotman | ask oracle |
| 21:41.37 | abrotman | oh wait. . that's backwards of what he doesn't get |
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| 21:42.12 | ma3x | haha hell funny |
| 21:44.34 | elias_ | what is the best (least amount of user interaction) method to be able to boot into one sarge and one sid installation on one disk? (seperate/shared boot part, ...) |
| 21:44.59 | wols | elias_: bootmanager |
| 21:45.07 | wols | install grub |
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| 21:48.27 | elias_ | wols: is there! I need to know if there is a way to make update-grub manage menu.lst for both debian releases. |
| 21:49.13 | liable | chainload grub? |
| 21:49.44 | liable | i think that was the easiest in the end for me when i had two installs on one disk |
| 21:50.09 | elias_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.19 | wols | elias_: dunno, probably not |
| 21:50.25 | yath_ | why not? |
| 21:50.34 | yath_ | it should be the same chainloading scheme as with ntldr |
| 21:50.37 | wols | liable: that's not really easy to boot. more keypresses than single grub |
| 21:50.47 | tekane | drwxrwx-wt 10 root root 4096 2006-10-15 15:13 tmp |
| 21:50.50 | wols | elias_: chainloading as liable said |
| 21:50.53 | tekane | what permissions number is that? |
| 21:50.59 | tekane | i know chmod +t is sticking |
| 21:51.03 | tekane | but how do i get that perms |
| 21:51.16 | streuner | ravenbird, tell tekane about permissions |
| 21:51.19 | wols | tekane: it's the wrong one |
| 21:51.21 | elias_ | tnx liable |
| 21:51.22 | yath_ | tekane: by setting the first octal digit |
| 21:51.22 | liable | again |
| 21:51.31 | wols | should be 777 |
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| 21:51.40 | liable | tekane: how are you managing to keep screwing up /tmp |
| 21:51.52 | streuner | how about? liable |
| 21:51.54 | liable | tekane: are you unpacking sources in /tmp or something? |
| 21:51.55 | wols | liable: talent? |
| 21:52.03 | streuner | the same as always, extract a tar |
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| 21:52.12 | streuner | as root |
| 21:52.12 | tekane | no |
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| 21:52.15 | tekane | i want them permissions |
| 21:52.22 | tekane | but how do you get them? |
| 21:52.37 | wols | tekane: chmod a+r /tmp/ |
| 21:54.04 | streuner | tekane: read greycat's permissons FAQ |
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| 21:54.25 | MarcoPau | how do I mount an ntfs partition? |
| 21:55.08 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 21:55.08 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 21:55.32 | Crysis | how can I switch to VT2 with the graphical installer ? |
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| 21:55.40 | streuner | tekane: for /tmp its chmod 777 (octal) some-folder |
| 21:55.46 | yath_ | Crysis: alt-f2? |
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| 21:57.08 | Jouip | using -LOG, what is the way to see in a log file '/var/log/messages' if the rules is blocked or accept? |
| 21:57.14 | Jouip | using iptables of course |
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| 21:58.01 | suppaman | hello |
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| 21:58.11 | MarcoPau | abrotman: thank you |
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| 21:59.08 | Jouip | any idea? |
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| 22:01.22 | Pegger | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:01.23 | Pegger | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.23 | Pegger | E: Broken packag who broken them??? |
| 22:01.37 | abrotman | are you running unstable ? |
| 22:01.41 | streuner | Pegger: show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 22:01.46 | streuner | !paste |
| 22:01.46 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 22:02.11 | streuner | abrotman: whos Pegger |
| 22:02.16 | streuner | abrotman: whois Pegger |
| 22:02.46 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:02.48 | Pegger | streuner, http://pastebin.ca/204364 |
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| 22:03.12 | abrotman | Pegger: dpkg -l libc6 | tail - |
| 22:03.13 | abrotman | Pegger: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 22:03.33 | Pegger | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 22:03.53 | Pegger | abrotman, is that wright or wrong? |
| 22:03.56 | abrotman | right |
| 22:04.18 | Pegger | ok good, any idea what is going on with the package |
| 22:04.23 | abrotman | Pegger: paste the contents of `apt-cache policy perl libauthen-pam-perl` |
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| 22:04.42 | abrotman | !paster |
| 22:04.43 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 22:05.04 | Pegger | http://pastebin.ca/204368 |
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| 22:06.03 | abrotman | Pegger: apt-get update .. try to install it again |
| 22:06.46 | Pegger | same error |
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| 22:07.31 | abrotman | !info perl sarge |
| 22:07.35 | dpkg | perl: (Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language), section perl, is standard. Version: 5.8.4-8sarge5 (sarge), Packaged size: 3162 kB, Installed size: 11048 kB |
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| 22:08.05 | Pegger | abrotman, ok, how does that help me get a module installed |
| 22:08.14 | abrotman | i'm looking .. settle down |
| 22:08.18 | Pegger | ok thanks |
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| 22:08.22 | abrotman | Pegger: pick another mirror .. yours is out of date |
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| 22:08.28 | Pegger | oha |
| 22:08.39 | abrotman | see if that helps |
| 22:08.50 | ArrenLex | http://arrenlex.diff.be/oowriter.png I've installed openoffice from the default debian packages. Why do the fonts look like this? The buttons in the taskbar show how fonts usually look on my system. |
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| 22:08.56 | ArrenLex | I have the openoffice.org-kde package installed. |
| 22:10.11 | ArrenLex | That's with "use system font" enabled. If I uncheck it, it looks even worse. |
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| 22:11.55 | infernix | uhhm, how do I make screenshots in X (not running KDE/Gnome) |
| 22:12.05 | streuner | !ss |
| 22:12.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, ss is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
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| 22:13.22 | ArrenLex | Any ideas? |
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| 22:18.21 | ArrenLex | You guys sure are helpful. |
| 22:18.46 | abrotman | !bts |
| 22:18.46 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 22:18.50 | MarcoPau | ArrenLex: try #kde or something like that |
| 22:19.02 | MarcoPau | maybe #openoffice |
| 22:19.03 | ArrenLex | Marco: what does kde have to do with it? |
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| 22:19.26 | MarcoPau | then try #openoffice or something |
| 22:19.31 | abrotman | he should check the bts or try #debian-oo |
| 22:19.40 | blondie | !pants |
| 22:19.40 | dpkg | No, i am not wearing pants! |
| 22:19.41 | abrotman | erm .. wait .. that's not it |
| 22:19.51 | MarcoPau | LOL |
| 22:19.53 | blondie | !blondie |
| 22:19.54 | abrotman | it is .. but it's on OFTC |
| 22:19.57 | abrotman | stupid channel moving |
| 22:20.11 | abrotman | but i'd start with the BTS |
| 22:20.26 | MarcoPau | well said breadman |
| 22:20.47 | abrotman | this must be a funny joke for europeans |
| 22:20.54 | MarcoPau | huh? |
| 22:21.01 | abrotman | i'm not german |
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| 22:21.11 | abrotman | nor is my family |
| 22:21.14 | MarcoPau | abrotman: I imagined |
| 22:21.21 | MarcoPau | I was just translating... |
| 22:22.06 | blondie | you dont translate names |
| 22:22.07 | MarcoPau | you're from phoenix right? |
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| 22:23.01 | abrotman | phoenix? |
| 22:23.28 | blondie | i thought that was a mythical bird |
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| 22:23.51 | MarcoPau | abrotman: didn't guess right? |
| 22:24.07 | abrotman | blondie: it's a city in .us also |
| 22:24.20 | streuner | arizona |
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| 22:24.44 | Ramattack | ho everybody |
| 22:25.00 | Ramattack | is there any of making a disk defragmentation? |
| 22:25.18 | streuner | you usually don't need to |
| 22:25.20 | blondie | Ramattack: no it's not necessary |
| 22:25.28 | MarcoPau | heh |
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| 22:25.39 | Ramattack | sorry anyway of doing a disk defragmentation lol! |
| 22:25.47 | blondie | Ramattack: no it's not necessary |
| 22:26.03 | Ramattack | so the partitions on linux doen't disorder? |
| 22:26.20 | abrotman | Ramattack: we told you before it wasn't needed |
| 22:26.42 | Ramattack | yep I know.... |
| 22:26.48 | abrotman | !defrag |
| 22:26.48 | dpkg | defrag is, like, generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html |
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| 22:28.55 | Ramattack | well I see.. the only thing was like I run mail and web servers quite concurent users... reading mail... accessing pages... |
| 22:29.13 | Ramattack | the question was if it needed to defrag... well... ok thanks a lot again guys |
| 22:29.29 | Ramattack | I hadn't to much time in the afternoon |
| 22:29.31 | abrotman | we told you before it wasn't needed |
| 22:29.53 | infernix | mildly offtopic, i'm looking for a music jukebox app (or distro/livecd for that matter) with fisher price usability, e.g. one that can be handled by kids, elder people and computer illiterates alike. ive been browsing sourceforge a bit already but nothing useful came up yet. ideas, anyone? |
| 22:30.27 | abrotman | like rhythmbox ? or amarok or quod libet ? |
| 22:30.41 | Ramattack | and I have asked again for just in case |
| 22:30.49 | Ramattack | well thanks again guys and sorry |
| 22:30.57 | Ramattack | bye good night!!! |
| 22:31.25 | Ramattack | lol sorry truthly blondie |
| 22:31.39 | blondie | they're male sheep |
| 22:31.42 | blondie | so it's a ram attack. |
| 22:31.48 | Ramattack | I'm sorry... |
| 22:31.49 | Ramattack | lol |
| 22:32.00 | Ramattack | well think |
| 22:32.13 | Ramattack | I'm a bit paranoid at the moment... too much job you know |
| 22:32.30 | Ramattack | thanks for all folks |
| 22:32.33 | Ramattack | bye!!!!!! |
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| 22:33.03 | infernix | quod libet is too advanced. amarok, perhaps, but i dont think amarok can handle adding mp3s off usb sticks or ripping from CDs to add to your collection. rythmbox - gonna take a look |
| 22:33.14 | zamaliphe | what is the last testing sarg ? |
| 22:33.19 | abrotman | no |
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| 22:33.23 | abrotman | infernix: xmms ? |
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| 22:34.25 | infernix | abrotman: xmms and cd ripping? usb stick support without manually mounting? i think not :) |
| 22:34.34 | blondie | mpd ftw |
| 22:34.35 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:34.40 | abrotman | infernix: sound juicer ? |
| 22:35.06 | abrotman | infernix: i know more gnome-ish apps then others :) |
| 22:35.23 | infernix | abrotman: it's gotta be really simple. more than one frontend is too complex already. |
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| 22:36.49 | abrotman | infernix: from rhythmbox . it has an "import audio cd" which starts sound juicer |
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| 22:37.28 | abrotman | (rhythmbox:14525): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Unable to stop mDNS browsing: MDNS service is not running |
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| 22:38.29 | infernix | mhm. well perhaps i'll have to stick with amarok and a ripping tool. sound juicer is as simple as it gets i take it?:) |
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| 22:39.23 | abrotman | it's pretty damn easy if you ask me |
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| 22:41.10 | yath_ | so, i'm just asking again, in the hope someone is still awake ;) anyone of you managed to install debian on an i5 (iSeries) yet? |
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| 22:41.52 | abrotman | an IBM ppc box ? |
| 22:41.57 | yath_ | yes |
| 22:42.03 | yath_ | a huge box :) |
| 22:42.04 | abrotman | do i look rich? |
| 22:42.09 | yath_ | do i? |
| 22:42.17 | abrotman | anyways .. why doesn't it work ? |
| 22:42.37 | abrotman | and did you try #debianppc ? |
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| 22:43.05 | hayum | Hey guys what is the correct permissions to place on /home to make it non viewable? |
| 22:43.16 | Jouip | Hi, I am trying to use alternativo log file for iptables, I try to use this on syslog *.notice /var/log/iptables.log and using iptables to pass --log-level notice, any idea how to fix it? |
| 22:43.29 | yath_ | i didn't try it yet, had to wait for the weekend to pass. the machine had to be IPLed to get some resources free for the new partition. i just hoped someone would say "yeah, i did it, it was no problem, just doing this and this, and it worked" |
| 22:43.35 | yath_ | abrotman: yep, i asked there |
| 22:43.43 | n3kl | Hi |
| 22:43.51 | n3kl | does rsync use ssh authenication? |
| 22:44.02 | abrotman | you can do rsync over ssh |
| 22:44.03 | yath_ | n3kl: if you use -e ssh, yes, it does |
| 22:44.04 | Braindead | you can use it over ssh |
| 22:44.10 | Braindead | !win abrotman |
| 22:44.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 22:44.34 | Jouip | any idea? |
| 22:44.35 | n3kl | yath_: so when it asks for a password, what password and how can I configure it to forgo the password? |
| 22:44.42 | n3kl | ssh keys? |
| 22:44.46 | yath_ | yes. |
| 22:44.50 | yath_ | as with interactive logon |
| 22:44.54 | yath_ | or scp |
| 22:45.05 | abrotman | yath_: wait .. the iSeries or pSeries ? |
| 22:45.06 | n3kl | I will try the keys |
| 22:45.11 | yath_ | there's no difference between it. rsync just does a 'ssh host rsync --server foo bar.." |
| 22:45.13 | n3kl | ssh itself is too intensive |
| 22:45.31 | yath_ | abrotman: iSeries. in fact, they are completely equivalent, except for the operating system. |
| 22:45.45 | n3kl | Ah, I see |
| 22:45.46 | yath_ | n3kl: "intensive"? what do you mean? |
| 22:46.16 | n3kl | yath_: not smart enough, its a huge directory, so rsync will only copy what it does not have |
| 22:46.24 | abrotman | power4 |
| 22:46.25 | abrotman | The POWER4 processor is used in more recent IBM 64-bit server systems: known models include the pSeries 615, 630, 650, 655, 670, and 690. |
| 22:46.25 | yath_ | n3kl: ah, you meant scp |
| 22:46.31 | n3kl | yath_: right |
| 22:46.44 | yath_ | abrotman: nah, it's power5 one. the model is i5 595. |
| 22:47.03 | yath_ | abrotman: AFAICS i must have a 64 bit kernel. the userland may be 32 bit, though. |
| 22:47.06 | abrotman | uhm .. isn't that ppc64 ? |
| 22:47.14 | yath_ | i think so. |
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| 22:47.22 | abrotman | which .. in my infinite stupidity .. i tried to install on a G4 mac :) |
| 22:47.38 | zamaliphe | how to install debian testing over internet using debootstrap ? |
| 22:47.42 | abrotman | http://debian-ppc64.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:47.51 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 22:47.51 | dpkg | i heard debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 22:48.04 | yath_ | i just downloaded the etch isos with d-i beta3. they are supposed to contain a 64 bit kernel. i'll give it a try :) |
| 22:48.15 | yath_ | abrotman: this alioth project tries to build a 64 bit userland |
| 22:48.26 | abrotman | yath_: it says you can build 32bit if you want |
| 22:48.45 | yath_ | abrotman: according to the mailing lists, the current etch isos *should* work |
| 22:49.05 | abrotman | yath_: just don't try them on a G4 macmini :) |
| 22:49.09 | yath_ | abrotman: i just asked in hope someone would raise his hand and tell me how easy it is ;-) |
| 22:49.20 | yath_ | abrotman: i don't plan to buy such a thing :P |
| 22:49.29 | abrotman | yath_: i can say that 32bit ppc on a macmini was super easy |
| 22:49.38 | yath_ | nice to hear. |
| 22:49.49 | yath_ | did they already use openfirmware? |
| 22:49.50 | abrotman | except that wireless thing .. :) |
| 22:50.00 | abrotman | uhm .. don't remember .. it's in my closet :) |
| 22:50.07 | yath_ | heh |
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| 22:50.22 | abrotman | i can't find the correct X settings to work with my tv |
| 22:50.33 | abrotman | some other day i'll mess with it |
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| 22:50.46 | henk | How can i get the partition type from within a script ? |
| 22:50.51 | yath_ | well, i'll just give it a try. after about 30 minutes of grouching i could convince my boss of taking debian instead of suse |
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| 22:51.00 | khermans | if i give a path to a file like /my/path with spaces/file.jpg, is there an easy way to escape it properly so i can pass it to a bash for i in loop? |
| 22:51.02 | abrotman | henk: mount |
| 22:51.27 | henk | abrotman, I dont want to mount it and mount -nfv (fake) gives me no info |
| 22:51.33 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:51.41 | abrotman | fdisk -l <device> ? |
| 22:52.05 | yath_ | so, is the *partition* type or the file system needed? ;) |
| 22:52.33 | menko | hi, where can I find a server list for apt packages? I'm using the nz one and I'm unhappy with it because it seems to have missing packages quite often.. |
| 22:52.36 | yath_ | in the former case fdisk -l does the job, in the latter mount. |
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| 22:52.46 | yath_ | or some magic thingy in /proc or /sys. |
| 22:53.04 | abrotman | !tell menko about mirrors |
| 22:53.06 | henk | yath_, I would like to know the filesystem type. You are right partition type does not always tell you enough |
| 22:53.12 | abrotman | fdisk -l |
| 22:53.35 | yath_ | henk: it not just tells you enough, it may tell you just wrong :) parse the output of mount |
| 22:53.38 | menko | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:53.58 | menko | think the australian one is good/ |
| 22:53.59 | menko | ? |
| 22:54.02 | yath_ | henk: or awk '{print $1 " " $3}' < /etc/mtab or so. |
| 22:54.20 | henk | yath_, the problem with mount is that i cannot mount the partitions they are already mounted from virtual machines. "fake" mount does not give the info |
| 22:54.44 | yath_ | henk: call mount without any parameter and it prints you a list of already mounted partitions |
| 22:55.03 | abrotman | fdisk -l :) |
| 22:55.05 | henk | yath_, the partitions are not mounted from the domain I am under |
| 22:55.07 | abrotman | menko: sure .. why not |
| 22:55.10 | n3kl | I am new to debian, and I am looking for some howtos and such for setup, security and jsut extra fun stuff, anyone know of a few good links? |
| 22:55.11 | abrotman | menko: or try apt-spy |
| 22:55.24 | yath_ | abrotman: frisk -l could tell you that you root filesystem is on a Win95 FAT32 partition |
| 22:55.33 | yath_ | abrotman: linux doesn't care about the partition type |
| 22:55.39 | henk | yath_, so my 'mount' shows them as unmounted. in fact they are but not from within my virtual domain |
| 22:55.51 | abrotman | he just said he wanted to know what the partition type was |
| 22:55.52 | yath_ | henk: ah, xen stuff, right? |
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| 22:56.09 | yath_ | abrotman: [0053'06] < henk> yath_, I would like to know the filesystem type. You are right partition type does not always tell you enough |
| 22:56.09 | henk | I was hoping for a tool like 'file' that can read a few bytes of data and know based on that |
| 22:56.33 | henk | yath_, xen yes |
| 22:56.53 | abrotman | /dev/hda4 41087 71735 15446497+ 83 Linux |
| 22:56.55 | abrotman | not good neough ? |
| 22:57.13 | yath_ | henk: well, don't know about that. imho it just passes the device nodes into the virtual domains, so you'd need to parse the domain's mtab |
| 22:57.17 | yath_ | abrotman: that's df, not mount |
| 22:57.26 | abrotman | no .. that's fdisk |
| 22:57.31 | yath_ | oups. |
| 22:57.38 | abrotman | that's start/stop cylinder |
| 22:57.54 | yath_ | abrotman: well, what's "linux"? :-) it could be ext2, ext3, reiser, jfs, .. |
| 22:58.03 | henk | abrotman, but like yath_ pointed out that may be a lie ;) |
| 22:58.15 | abrotman | dude . it's type 83 |
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| 22:58.30 | MarcoPau | I'm out of here, see ya |
| 22:58.31 | yath_ | abrotman: and in fact you could have you root partition with xfs on a partition labelled with "OS/2 HPFS". |
| 22:58.35 | henk | yath_, in fact i'd be happy to know the difference between just swap and 'something else' |
| 22:58.40 | MarcoPau | ciao alex |
| 22:58.46 | MarcoPau | thanks again |
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| 22:59.17 | abrotman | apt-cache search partition type ? |
| 22:59.17 | yath_ | henk: mhm, swap is relatively easy to discover. have a look at /etc/magic about the magic numbers of the swap partition |
| 22:59.41 | yath_ | henk: it should be relatively easy to parse the partition type with dd | od | awk then |
| 22:59.57 | henk | yath_, great that sounds like a plan |
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| 23:00.10 | yath_ | blah. /etc/magic is magic. then apt-get source file :) |
| 23:00.16 | Ahri | i keep getting a weird error when trying when using public key authentication with ssh on a 2.4 kernel (on mipsel); mm_request_receive_expect: read: rtype 50 != type 48, i can't find any info on this error. can anyone help? |
| 23:00.18 | yath_ | err. |
| 23:00.22 | yath_ | s/is magic/is empty/ |
| 23:00.45 | henk | yath_, i know how to find magic ;) |
| 23:00.46 | menko | yay the au server isn't broke, thanks |
| 23:00.56 | henk | the idea is what matters |
| 23:01.17 | henk | thnx |
| 23:01.57 | stoned | I just bought a Western Digital 500GB drive for 189$ includin Tax |
| 23:02.06 | stoned | :D |
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| 23:08.08 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:08.09 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:08.14 | henk | yath_, I just found something usefull : 'file' has a -s option that does what i need |
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| 23:09.44 | stoned | hey |
| 23:09.46 | stoned | abrotman |
| 23:09.57 | stoned | what FS should I go with on my new 500gb drive |
| 23:10.03 | stoned | and how should I partition it |
| 23:10.28 | stoned | any suggesstions |
| 23:10.57 | stoned | I'm thinking of just going with ext3 |
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| 23:11.23 | abrotman | ext3 |
| 23:11.25 | henk | stoned, that depends on what you want to do with it... store porn? use ext3 ;) |
| 23:13.18 | mortalguy | Is there a difference between "symbolic links" and the links created using `link`? How do I link a folder? |
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| 23:14.25 | Covener | mortalguy: use ln -s to create a symbolic link. Directories generally can't have (more then 1) hard link |
| 23:14.49 | stoned | yes |
| 23:14.51 | stoned | lots of porn |
| 23:15.12 | stoned | also I will be storing my music and stuff too, and I bought a video card, and went and got oblivion for pc |
| 23:15.14 | stoned | so I can mod it |
| 23:15.24 | mortalguy | thanks Covener |
| 23:15.40 | stoned | for that, I'll need to access my media from windows. I hear ext3 can be somehow mounted under windows, I know this is not debian related, but is that so? |
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| 23:16.46 | mortalguy | that is possible, though I've heard you shouldn't since if Windows thinks it owns a partition it does evil things to it - on the next computer I have I'm planning to have a FAT32 partition for sharing things between Windows and Linux |
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| 23:19.52 | n3kl | when I try to vi a file, I get E484: Can't open file /usr/share/vim/syntax/syntax.vim |
| 23:19.57 | n3kl | any ideas? |
| 23:21.40 | abrotman | install it ? |
| 23:21.50 | n3kl | abrotman: install what? |
| 23:21.59 | n3kl | how? |
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| 23:22.02 | abrotman | the package that has it |
| 23:22.09 | n3kl | I have vim installed |
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| 23:22.21 | abrotman | vim-runtime |
| 23:22.32 | abrotman | just a guess .. since i'm on etch |
| 23:22.45 | n3kl | me too |
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| 23:23.26 | abrotman | well .. that file doesn't exist on etch :) |
| 23:23.39 | n3kl | hmm |
| 23:23.39 | abrotman | vim --version .. which version is it ? |
| 23:24.48 | n3kl | 7 |
| 23:25.02 | henk | stoned you can mount ext2 in windows i think. I dont know if journaling is in it yet. So you may not want to do that. However what I used to do is use cygwin to have 'linux' under windows, and share with samba from that. |
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| 23:25.39 | henk | stoned you can mount ext2 in windows i think. I dont know if journaling is in it yet. So you may not want to do that. However what I used to do is use cygwin to have 'linux' under windows, and share with samba from that. |
| 23:25.59 | stoned | I can do that with colinux |
| 23:26.02 | henk | (sorry for the dupplicate but the guy just returned ;)) |
| 23:26.06 | stoned | which I happen to like very much |
| 23:26.09 | henk | sure colinux will do |
| 23:26.29 | stoned | well the drive is good, just need to partition it now |
| 23:26.51 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 23:26.51 | dpkg | it has been said that explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 23:26.54 | craigevil | easiest way to access ext2 and etx3 from windows is http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs |
| 23:27.01 | henk | stoned, use LVM that way you can always re-think later |
| 23:27.02 | craigevil | yeah that lol |
| 23:27.09 | craigevil | the page ahs moved |
| 23:27.20 | stoned | thanks |
| 23:27.21 | stoned | looking now |
| 23:28.13 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 23:28.14 | dpkg | explore2fs is, like, a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 23:28.16 | abrotman | better ? |
| 23:28.16 | stoned | I'm gonna use my 500gb disk to store on ext3 |
| 23:28.29 | stoned | and then after data is xferred |
| 23:28.42 | henk | stoned, so basicaly use lvm+ext3+colinux+samba and you'll have a good setup good luck i'm off |
| 23:29.00 | stoned | I'll tar up my ~ and reinstall debian and repartition this 250gb disk, then make room for dualbooting windows |
| 23:29.08 | stoned | god I can't wait to play some of those oblivion mods |
| 23:29.10 | stoned | oooh |
| 23:29.14 | stoned | its gonna be sweet :D |
| 23:29.23 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 23:29.25 | stoned | henk, thanks |
| 23:29.29 | Shadowcat | we should crucify stoned |
| 23:29.32 | Shadowcat | he's using Windows |
| 23:30.00 | stoned | I hope you just dont' start going off on mindless MS hate bandwagon |
| 23:30.07 | Shadowcat | no |
| 23:30.15 | Shadowcat | but I still like messing with you |
| 23:30.17 | stoned | oh |
| 23:30.21 | stoned | mess with me then ;) |
| 23:30.48 | Shadowcat | I'm actually in ##windows you know |
| 23:32.37 | stoned | heh |
| 23:32.40 | stoned | you're a tool |
| 23:32.42 | stoned | :) |
| 23:33.11 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 23:33.31 | stoned | I'm thinking about one partition of 500gb as ext3 |
| 23:33.45 | stoned | I got a blunt hangin out my mouth, you can't make me sober :D |
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| 23:34.00 | Shadowcat | stoned: decaff version |
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| 23:34.03 | Shadowcat | i.e. no drugs in it |
| 23:34.05 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 23:34.15 | Shadowcat | I replaced the whole pack that you've been smoking |
| 23:34.38 | CosmoDad | how can I figure whether I use devfs oder udev on a particular machine? |
| 23:34.40 | stoned | but seriously |
| 23:34.44 | stoned | what do you think about that |
| 23:34.45 | Shadowcat | on a more serious note, why you would allow windows to even touch a Linux partition is beyond me |
| 23:34.49 | stoned | I'm thinking about one partition of 500gb as ext3 |
| 23:34.52 | stoned | good idea or no? |
| 23:35.03 | Shadowcat | because while device drivers for read/write do exist |
| 23:35.08 | stoned | Shadowcat, for the simple reason, the only thing I need windows for is to play my game |
| 23:35.12 | Shadowcat | I wouldn't bet so much as 5gb iso file |
| 23:35.29 | Shadowcat | stoned: then why does windows need access in the first place? |
| 23:35.43 | stoned | I don't understand your objection/question |
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| 23:36.07 | Shadowcat | Windows accessing a Linux partition for read only is ok |
| 23:36.15 | stoned | I want to use my 500gb disk as only a media storage disk. my other one I have is 250gb. I was going to use 50gb for windows, and the rest for debian |
| 23:36.21 | stoned | yeah |
| 23:36.22 | stoned | read only |
| 23:36.33 | Shadowcat | and you better not be mounting the thing |
| 23:36.33 | stoned | while I play my game, I just wanna listen to my music on the linux drive |
| 23:36.37 | stoned | no |
| 23:36.40 | stoned | explore2fs |
| 23:37.02 | Shadowcat | that's about as far as I'd go |
| 23:37.15 | Shadowcat | because there are read/write solutions for ext2/3 |
| 23:37.19 | Shadowcat | but ehh try at your own risk |
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| 23:39.56 | stoned | I don't want to write to it |
| 23:40.02 | stoned | just read |
| 23:40.33 | Shadowcat | the thing is |
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| 23:40.42 | Shadowcat | to read mp3s natively in Windows |
| 23:40.47 | Shadowcat | you have to mount the thing |
| 23:40.54 | Shadowcat | which makes your first idea moot |
| 23:41.00 | Shadowcat | at least if you plan on using media player |
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| 23:41.08 | Shadowcat | not sure about how cygwin would react |
| 23:41.12 | beardy | None wants that. |
| 23:41.20 | beardy | Why this offtopicness? |
| 23:41.23 | Shadowcat | but I'm pretty sure something native would want a drive letter |
| 23:41.25 | stoned | i know there is a way to export any kind of block device from windows |
| 23:41.31 | stoned | someone coded an nbd server for windows |
| 23:41.37 | stoned | which a client on linux can access |
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| 23:41.41 | itchi | Which tool there are to make an backup of an partition? I want the output in an compressed file which i can access in it later. In case i need to get back some files. |
| 23:41.46 | Shadowcat | either way |
| 23:41.57 | CosmoDad | how can I figure whether I use devfs oder udev on a particular machine? |
| 23:41.58 | Shadowcat | without mounting it, it'd be hard to think of live access |
| 23:42.04 | Shadowcat | explore2fs was designed to copy off data |
| 23:42.06 | Shadowcat | not access it live |
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| 23:43.33 | Shadowcat | stoned: this is why I wasn't too hot on the idea in the first place |
| 23:43.45 | stoned | life sucks |
| 23:43.46 | Shadowcat | there are about a billion variables to think off when trying to get windows and linux to play nice |
| 23:43.54 | Shadowcat | and none of them are very easy or fun to implement |
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| 23:43.57 | stoned | I guess I won't listen to my music the, but I still need windows |
| 23:44.02 | stoned | I gotta play this game with mods man |
| 23:44.10 | Shadowcat | the easiest would be to stick your mp3s on a third machine and mount the samba share |
| 23:44.13 | Shadowcat | easy simple and clean |
| 23:44.24 | Shadowcat | of course, you need an old dusty box for that to work |
| 23:44.26 | stoned | yeah, my roommate let me borrow 60gb from his samba share |
| 23:44.33 | stoned | I could put my stuff there |
| 23:44.34 | Shadowcat | problem solved then |
| 23:44.34 | itchi | The comp have M$ and use NTFS. I have tryed with partimag client and server. But i always get an error that i need to use the '-L'. Also started the partimaged -L but get the same error |
| 23:44.55 | Shadowcat | kill the NTFS volume entirely |
| 23:44.56 | stoned | but everytime his uses his cellphone or the cordless phone, the wireless signal breaks |
| 23:44.57 | Shadowcat | don't resize it |
| 23:45.14 | stoned | I dont have one yet |
| 23:45.16 | Shadowcat | of course back it up first |
| 23:45.23 | stoned | I don't even have windows right now lol |
| 23:45.25 | Shadowcat | not you, that was itchi |
| 23:45.28 | stoned | oh |
| 23:45.44 | Shadowcat | you need to run a bunch of CAT6 cables and be happy |
| 23:45.44 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 23:46.10 | itchi | yeah, got an comp that i need to reinstall |
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| 23:46.44 | robin_z | so .. to install in /usr/src/linux-blah the source for my current kernel, I do what exactly? |
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| 23:47.11 | itchi | I want somethings like Ghost or so. Or maybe if it's not to painhead, ala cli. I have started that comp with rescue cd |
| 23:47.22 | Shadowcat | heh |
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| 23:47.25 | Shadowcat | well I'm off |
| 23:47.39 | Shadowcat | helping stoned sort out his messy problem was my good deed for the day |
| 23:47.56 | itchi | hehe |
| 23:47.57 | stoned | I didn't have any problems |
| 23:47.59 | stoned | but thanks |
| 23:48.19 | Shadowcat | you could have if you mounted an ext3 volume in Windows |
| 23:48.44 | Shadowcat | but ya, samba and a bunch of network cables seems like the sanest route |
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| 23:50.38 | robin_z | i can never figure out if I need to apply other patches after apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 and im runing 2.6.8.2-6 |
| 23:51.03 | Lilandra | Can someone help me to get my X server working? |
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| 23:51.50 | nivanson | Lilandra: That depends on why it isn't working. Feel free to tell us. |
| 23:52.18 | Lilandra | nivanson: i'm not sure why it's not working. it could be my config file or it could be because i just upgraded a whole lot of packages and kernel |
| 23:52.30 | itchi | On one comp i have start partimaged -L and on the other comp i have System Rescue cd and when i start partimage i get the error: Connextion refused by server: incompatibles networking option. Try disabling login option for server -L Looks to be are the same version app but server have SSL, the client not |
| 23:52.42 | nivanson | Lilandra: Do you get any nice output if you write startx? |
| 23:52.59 | Lilandra | nivanson: i get errors...check log file and it doesn't start |
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| 23:53.18 | Lilandra | I'm trying to remember where the log file is |
| 23:53.23 | Ahri | where should i put uer scripts that i want executed at every bootup? |
| 23:53.27 | Ahri | *user |
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| 23:54.00 | Ahri | in gentoo i'd stick stuff in /etc/conf.d/local.start |
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| 23:54.17 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 23:54.17 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 23:54.37 | Lilandra | It says lots of directories don't exist, like where fonts are |
| 23:54.38 | itchi | I have also look how to disable that SSL on the server to test, but i not know how to disable it |
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| 23:55.03 | nivanson | Lilandra: Well, what errors? Usually it tells you. |
| 23:55.16 | Lilandra | nivanson: i'm trying to read Xorg.0.log |
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| 23:56.01 | Ahri | abrotman: but this isn't a daemon, just some command to execute |
| 23:56.24 | Lilandra | ooo |
| 23:56.35 | abrotman | so? |
| 23:56.35 | abrotman | !boot.misc |
| 23:56.35 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 23:56.35 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 23:56.35 | itchi | Or maybe. How do you an backup of an M$ to an Debian box over the network? I not want to screw an HDD in the comp. |
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| 23:56.41 | nivanson | Lilandra: Don't you get any output on the screen when you type startx? |
| 23:57.00 | Lilandra | an error with some basic stuff and then says check logs |
| 23:57.14 | Lilandra | i am trying to do a reconfigure on xserver again and then will go startx again and see what it says |
| 23:57.41 | abrotman | Ahri: doesn't have to be a daemon |
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| 23:58.07 | Lilandra | nivanson: what's the mouse protocol? ImPS/2 or ExplorerPS/2? shouldn't there be an option for a USB mouse? or am i lost? |
| 23:58.19 | saint__ | what's the command to configure X? |
| 23:58.38 | lunitik | !drxx |
| 23:58.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 23:58.40 | nivanson | Lilandra: ImPS/2 always worked for me ;) |
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| 23:59.31 | Lilandra | startx says it can't find /dev/input/mouse |
| 23:59.40 | Lilandra | im thinking this might have more to do with say my kernel |
| 23:59.47 | Lilandra | how can i tell which kernel i'm running? |
| 23:59.52 | nivanson | uname -a |
| 23:59.57 | lunitik | Lilandra: thats protocol not device... either should be fine for a wheel mouse |
