| 00:00.05 | abrotman | what format ? |
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| 00:01.05 | g333k | abrotman, I dont know the format.. it just ask me for the plugin |
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| 00:02.02 | jshoenberger | How do I put one line at a time from a text file into a variable, I'm so crummy at text manipulation :( |
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| 00:03.34 | abrotman | g333k: it's important to tknow |
| 00:04.03 | toraton | jshoenberger, try fgets |
| 00:04.16 | jshoenberger | never heard of it, I'll look into it |
| 00:04.20 | stew | jshoenberger: while read line ; do somthingwith $line ; done < file |
| 00:04.25 | g333k | abrotman, how can I know the format? http://thefoxonline.com/ try lo listen to that radio |
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| 00:04.41 | toraton | Ah man |
| 00:04.45 | toraton | I thought I was in ##c |
| 00:04.51 | toraton | Sorry, listen to stew |
| 00:04.51 | stew | heh |
| 00:05.02 | jshoenberger | Yea... I was terribly confused. Lol |
| 00:05.04 | stew | my answer would have been horrible in ##c |
| 00:05.12 | jshoenberger | stew, I'll give it a shot, thanks! |
| 00:05.16 | d0uglas | g333k: use ethereal to analyze the audio stream and then get the codec |
| 00:05.23 | jshoenberger | yea |
| 00:05.45 | g333k | d0uglas, wow I dont know hoe to use ethereal |
| 00:05.52 | Stormfang | [ANYONE] where I can get skinns for [ http://w-O-wOw.Sytes.Net ] there need some CSS scps wtf...? |
| 00:05.59 | d0uglas | you don't say |
| 00:06.13 | d0uglas | any luck getting that tgz fired up? |
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| 00:06.24 | andax | on debian etch how do I change "nfs-kernel-server" to allow re-exporting of remotely mounted filesystems? google says rpc.nfsd should be started with the -r option, but on debian rpc.nfsd says there is no such option as -r or --re-export. So i'm stuck :( |
| 00:06.46 | jshoenberger | Works perfectly, thanks stew. |
| 00:06.48 | abrotman | Stormfang: wrong channel |
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| 00:07.11 | Stormfang | [ANYONE] where to get skins for [ http://w-O-wOw.Sytes.Net ] Style sheet: requesting :( |
| 00:07.18 | Stormfang | abrotman where to ask this ? |
| 00:07.22 | abrotman | not here |
| 00:07.34 | Stormfang | where |
| 00:07.43 | Stormfang | dont know soem chann? |
| 00:07.47 | d0uglas | #gnaa |
| 00:07.57 | d0uglas | for skin support |
| 00:08.01 | abrotman | Stormfang: it's not this channel .. |
| 00:08.17 | abrotman | Stormfang: do you know what this channel is for ? |
| 00:08.25 | locke | anyone have any idea where i might be able to get help converting RGB to CMYK in linux |
| 00:08.41 | abrotman | locke: maybe #gimp on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:09.08 | d0uglas | locke: http://freshmeat.net/projects/cmykgimp/ |
| 00:09.55 | locke | thanks |
| 00:10.03 | d0uglas | you got it |
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| 00:13.19 | g333k | abrotman, did you try? |
| 00:13.25 | abrotman | g333k: which URL ? |
| 00:14.33 | g333k | abrotman, www.thefoxonline.com |
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| 00:15.17 | g333k | abrotman, you do use firefox right? |
| 00:15.27 | abrotman | doesn't matter |
| 00:15.52 | g333k | abrotman, ok.. tell me what happens |
| 00:16.37 | abrotman | i think you need the mplayer mozilla plugin |
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| 00:18.37 | g333k | abrotman, so I will need to install mplayer also? |
| 00:18.48 | abrotman | not sure .. i don't use it |
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| 00:19.52 | d0uglas | g333k: probably... mplayer isn't apt-able, just the plugin apparently |
| 00:20.11 | d0uglas | so i guess that rules that out for you huh |
| 00:20.39 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 00:20.39 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 00:21.43 | abrotman | g333k: http://www.streamaudio.com/stations/asx/WFOX_FM.asx |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | g333k: plug that URL into your media player .. you canskip the web browser stuff |
| 00:23.34 | andax | how can I re-export a remotely mounted filesystem? rpc.nfsd says there is no such option as -r or --re-export. |
| 00:23.40 | abrotman | g333k: do you have the w32codecs installed ? |
| 00:24.22 | g333k | abrotman, nope I dont remember to install them |
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| 00:24.30 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 00:24.31 | dpkg | hmm... w32codecs is a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular (but proprietary) multimedia formats, such as AVI, realmedia, and windows media. Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these formats in debian. |
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| 00:26.33 | Joninho | is it ok to ask a ip table question here the #iptables channel seems very dead |
| 00:28.29 | abrotman | is it on debian ? |
| 00:28.53 | abrotman | g333k: are you using gnome or kde ? |
| 00:28.59 | g333k | abrotman, gnome |
| 00:29.09 | abrotman | g333k: which totem backend are you using ? |
| 00:29.46 | g333k | abrotman, totem 1.4.5 ? |
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| 00:30.38 | Joninho | abrotman sort of the oses are debian |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | g333k: dpkg -l totem* .. is the xine or gstreamer backend installed |
| 00:30.50 | abrotman | Joninho: sort of ? |
| 00:31.17 | Joninho | I have a client at 10.0.0.7/8 that wants a dhcp lease, the dhcp server is at 172.16.0.10/12, to get here the client request have to pass my iptable firewall with interfaces 172.16.0.2/12 and 10.0.0.1/8 |
| 00:31.21 | Joninho | there :) |
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| 00:31.26 | g333k | totem totem-gstreamer totem-mozilla totem-xine |
| 00:31.40 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 00:32.03 | abrotman | g333k: start totem .. see which backend it is by using the About window |
| 00:32.28 | g333k | abrotman, xine-lib version 1.1.2 |
| 00:32.28 | Joninho | I have also set a route on the dhcp server that the gateway to 10.0.0.0/8 is at 172.16.0.2/12 |
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| 00:32.35 | Wyzard | Joninho: I believe you need the dhcp relay daemon for that |
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| 00:32.51 | abrotman | g333k: totem can also use a gstreamer backend .. which has a gst-ugly set of plugins |
| 00:33.02 | Joninho | hmm |
| 00:33.11 | g333k | abrotman, I understand now... backend is the opposite of front-end |
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| 00:34.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:34.07 | abrotman | Joninho: which OS ? |
| 00:35.11 | Joninho | debian |
| 00:35.23 | abrotman | you said "sort of" |
| 00:35.31 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 00:35.34 | d0uglas | CrippsFX: me too |
| 00:35.39 | CrippsFX | :) |
| 00:35.57 | Joninho | the os's are debian... |
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| 00:36.03 | d0uglas | xmms2 gets me hot |
| 00:36.23 | CrippsFX | d0uglas, have youplayed around with it yet? |
| 00:36.38 | d0uglas | yeah i'm getting really good with the commands |
| 00:36.46 | Caelum | is there a cli interface to packages.debian.org? |
| 00:36.52 | Gnurdux | hehe |
| 00:36.54 | Gnurdux | apt-cache |
| 00:36.56 | CrippsFX | nice. I should check it out sometime .... |
| 00:36.58 | Gnurdux | basically |
| 00:37.05 | Gnurdux | thats not for packages.debian.org |
| 00:37.06 | abrotman | Caelum: links? :) |
| 00:37.06 | d0uglas | i can add stuff to a playlist (even know some * wildcard tricks), i can shuffle, ... i can pause, .. what else.. |
| 00:37.11 | Gnurdux | thats for whatever repos you are using |
| 00:37.11 | Caelum | Gnurdux: that doesn't work for looking up files in packages |
| 00:37.14 | Caelum | abrotman: haha, true |
| 00:37.15 | abrotman | Caelum: what info are you after ? |
| 00:37.16 | Gnurdux | ooh |
| 00:37.18 | abrotman | Caelum: apt-file |
| 00:37.23 | CrippsFX | d0uglas, maybe I should port it to my palm pilot so that I can play ogg ;) |
| 00:37.31 | abrotman | !tell Caelum about search |
| 00:37.51 | g333k | abrotman, now that you know the backend, what follows? |
| 00:38.00 | Caelum | abrotman: wow, thanks |
| 00:38.19 | abrotman | g333k: i've been looking .. not sure gstreamer can do it .. install the w32codecs for xine .. use totem to listen to that stream |
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| 00:38.30 | g333k | ok |
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| 00:40.44 | Caelum | I swear I saw a kvim package before, I guess it's gone now |
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| 00:41.26 | abrotman | kvim ? |
| 00:41.39 | abrotman | there is a gvim |
| 00:41.52 | Caelum | there used to be a kde gui version too |
| 00:41.58 | d0uglas | g333k: or suck it up and install mplayer, you won't need w32codecs... it's real easy -- wget http://www3.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/MPlayer-1.0pre8.tar.bz2; tar xvf MPlayer-1.0pre8.tar.bz2; cd MPlayer-1.0pre8; ./configure; make; make install |
| 00:42.08 | abrotman | d0uglas: yes he will |
| 00:42.20 | abrotman | !tell d0uglas about mplayer |
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| 00:43.13 | slaq | hmm.. can anyone comment whats the fastest way to copy a whole (ext2) filesystem to another machine, is there any reason not to use dd? |
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| 00:43.31 | dvs | slaq: if the hard drives are not exactly the same |
| 00:43.47 | slaq | dvs, well, theoretically they are.. but umm.. this is a live server |
| 00:44.00 | slaq | dvs, problem is it seems tar will need ~5h (many small files) |
| 00:44.02 | dvs | slaq: the one you're copying to? |
| 00:44.09 | slaq | dvs, both |
| 00:44.16 | dvs | slaq: can't use dd then |
| 00:44.23 | slaq | yep |
| 00:44.29 | slaq | is "dump" a sane choice? |
| 00:44.31 | d0uglas | g333k: do you know how to edit a text file? |
| 00:44.41 | d0uglas | eg nano? |
| 00:44.43 | dvs | never used dump |
| 00:44.47 | abrotman | netcat! |
| 00:45.02 | abrotman | d0uglas: i already told himwhat he needs to do |
| 00:45.12 | d0uglas | oh.. |
| 00:45.27 | abrotman | the w32codecs work with the xine backend he's using for totem |
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| 00:45.51 | g333k | d0uglas, yep why? |
| 00:45.59 | d0uglas | g333k: nevermind |
| 00:46.14 | abrotman | g333k: did you get the w32codecs ? |
| 00:46.17 | g333k | d0uglas, what do you think I am.. a monkey? |
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| 00:46.34 | g333k | abrotman, it's downloading |
| 00:46.43 | d0uglas | g333k: easy bro |
| 00:47.18 | dvs | heh |
| 00:47.25 | d0uglas | write any shakespear lately? |
| 00:47.27 | g333k | abrotman, they are installed now |
| 00:47.38 | abrotman | g333k: still have that URL i gave you ? |
| 00:47.44 | g333k | abrotman, yep |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | g333k: totem <url> .. see if it works |
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| 00:48.02 | g333k | abrotman, its playing already |
| 00:48.06 | abrotman | this is bad ? |
| 00:48.20 | g333k | abrotman, thanks buddy! |
| 00:48.25 | abrotman | g333k: enjoy |
| 00:48.30 | abrotman | g333k: don't lose that URL :) |
| 00:48.38 | g333k | abrotman, never |
| 00:48.50 | abrotman | might want to bookmark it or something |
| 00:48.55 | abrotman | ah .. dust in the wind ... |
| 00:48.59 | g333k | abrotman, there's no way to play it in amarok right? |
| 00:49.12 | g333k | abrotman, its a nice radio station |
| 00:49.14 | abrotman | uhm .. i've never used amarok .. no idea .. but kaffiene should work |
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| 00:51.01 | guru | i just bought two 19" widescreen DFP's and set my resolution to 1440x900 (which is the optimal setting) and now my screen pans up and down - i think the virtual resolution is set incorrectly. i have an nvidia card, does anyone know how i can change this? |
| 00:53.03 | d0uglas | guru: have you tried twinview? |
| 00:53.37 | guru | d0uglas: i want both monitors to remain as separate workspaces |
| 00:54.01 | guru | it's almost as if the virtual resolution is 1440x1024 |
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| 00:55.34 | d0uglas | guru: well, other than saying "try twinview" or "maybe xinerama" i got nothin' for you |
| 00:55.43 | guru | thanks anyway |
| 00:56.14 | d0uglas | what are you gonna do with all those pixels |
| 00:56.16 | guru | also, my logitech lx7 mouse works fine for a few minutes after i restart and then the scroll stops working...any idea what could be wrong? |
| 00:56.25 | guru | d0uglas: 3d animation |
| 00:56.33 | Gnurdux | wait is it true that debian has a forked version of firefox? |
| 00:56.44 | d0uglas | !iceweasel |
| 00:56.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See ... |
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| 00:57.40 | PumpkinPie | mkfs -t -m %1 ?? how to use -m? |
| 00:57.54 | Gnurdux | why fork it, rather htan just renaming it? |
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| 00:58.02 | holycow | question: do you haveto use lvm when creating a software raid 1 setup? |
| 00:58.24 | stoned-- | hey |
| 00:58.26 | stoned-- | what network is this? |
| 00:58.30 | stoned-- | freenode or oftc? |
| 00:58.33 | holycow | freenode |
| 00:58.33 | Gnurdux | Firefox (the name) is equally protected and controlled by the same |
| 00:58.33 | Gnurdux | trademark policy and legal requirements as the Firefox logo. You're |
| 00:58.33 | Gnurdux | free to use any other name for the browser bits, but calling the browser |
| 00:58.33 | Gnurdux | Firefox requires the same approvals as are required for using the logo |
| 00:58.33 | Gnurdux | and other artwork. |
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| 00:58.35 | stoned-- | where the hell did I connect |
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| 00:58.40 | stoned-- | thanks |
| 00:58.43 | Gnurdux | sry... but approvals? |
| 00:58.48 | stoned-- | configged my irc the wrong friggin way |
| 00:59.16 | d0uglas | Gnurdux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 00:59.40 | Gnurdux | IceWeasel is a fork of Firefox, but its maintainers plan to continue to synchronize with upstream releases in the future. -- ahh good |
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| 00:59.47 | Gnurdux | and it will be compatible with firefox addons? |
| 00:59.57 | d0uglas | Gnurdux: sounds like it |
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| 01:00.33 | Gnurdux | good |
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| 01:00.39 | abrotman | Gnurdux: and it was GNU |
| 01:00.46 | Gnurdux | and won't have any changes other than removable proprietary stuff |
| 01:00.55 | PumpkinPie | box:~# mkfs -t -m 1 ext3 /dev/sdb1 |
| 01:00.55 | PumpkinPie | mkfs.-m: No such file or directory |
| 01:00.58 | PumpkinPie | ? |
| 01:00.59 | Gnurdux | abrotman, i thought it was different than GNU iceweasel |
| 01:01.07 | Gnurdux | even though they are both firefox forks |
| 01:01.08 | abrotman | not that i'm aware .. |
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| 01:01.43 | d0uglas | Gnurdux: they even made a cool logo, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/85/Iceweasel-icon-large.png/120px-Iceweasel-icon-large.png |
| 01:01.46 | Gnurdux | but it really shouldn't have any changes |
| 01:01.59 | Gnurdux | whats the problem with firefox? |
| 01:02.07 | abrotman | nonfree |
| 01:02.10 | abrotman | trademark issues |
| 01:02.18 | Gnurdux | ah Firefox is a trademarked name? |
| 01:02.20 | abrotman | anal retentive legal bastards |
| 01:02.27 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: how do I use mkfs -m ? |
| 01:02.32 | d0uglas | Gnurdux: didn't you just flood the answer to your question |
| 01:02.32 | Gnurdux | so why not just rename it rather than a full blown fork? |
| 01:02.40 | gravity | Gnurdux: They want to protect their brand. The source is free, but you have to rename it if you apply unauthorized patches. |
| 01:02.47 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: should be ext2/3 |
| 01:02.47 | abrotman | afaik anyways |
| 01:02.54 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 01:02.54 | gravity | Gnurdux: Since the maintainers want to do that, they have to rename it. |
| 01:03.01 | abrotman | or if you don't get your source approved |
| 01:03.02 | Gnurdux | gravity, what patches? |
| 01:03.08 | gravity | Gnurdux: Any patches |
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| 01:03.14 | abrotman | Gnurdux: everything |
| 01:03.18 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 01:03.36 | abrotman | Gnurdux: this hsould be covered on slashdot or lwn or something |
| 01:03.44 | gravity | Heh... or everywhere |
| 01:03.50 | AlaricX | What is the default Apt::System option debian uses for all libapt-pkg-using programs? :-| |
| 01:03.56 | gravity | Just remember, there's no real bad guy in the story, no matter how much people want to create one |
| 01:03.57 | Gnurdux | as long as you don't break compatibility with firefox im fine |
| 01:04.14 | Gnurdux | just everyone being stupid :P |
| 01:04.23 | g333k | Is there now support for write in ntfs? |
| 01:04.28 | d0uglas | gravity: +1, Insightful |
| 01:04.28 | gravity | Gnurdux: People just want to turn it in to a fight between good and evil when it's not |
| 01:04.36 | g333k | ntfs! |
| 01:04.41 | Gnurdux | since debian are the ones who NEED fully-free stuff and firefox are the ones who NEED to protect their GOOD NAME |
| 01:05.02 | d0uglas | g333k: i think you meant to put the exclamation mark in front of ntfs |
| 01:05.16 | g333k | !ntfs |
| 01:05.16 | dpkg | well, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 01:05.19 | g333k | yep :p |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | gravity: i blame you! |
| 01:05.57 | d0uglas | if you're ever not in the mood to share your learning process with us, you could always /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 01:06.15 | abrotman | Gnurdux: it goes a bit more than that .. basically .. *any* distro that modifies the source and doesn't have mozilla check it can have the trademark issue |
| 01:06.22 | gravity | !blame me |
| 01:06.28 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 01:06.34 | Gnurdux | thats why you dont modify the source |
| 01:06.46 | Gnurdux | but whatever' |
| 01:06.46 | abrotman | dude .. they don't even have a free logo |
| 01:07.06 | PumpkinPie | how do I lower my reserve blocks to 1%.. It looks like: mkfs -m 1 -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 and that doesn't work |
| 01:07.09 | Gnurdux | like i said it doesnt matter to me as long as it stays synchronised and is the same code as the official version |
| 01:07.13 | Gnurdux | and keeps compatibility |
| 01:07.14 | gravity | Gnurdux: But modifying the source is what it's all about |
| 01:07.39 | Gnurdux | why does debian have to screw with it? |
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| 01:07.49 | asg | Gnurdux: because we have our own rules |
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| 01:08.05 | Gnurdux | i thought the point was that it can't go in "free" unless its freely modifiable, which it isnt with the name of "firefox" |
| 01:08.06 | abrotman | Gnurdux: for starters .. we can't distribute the logo .. so that has to be changed |
| 01:08.07 | gravity | Gnurdux: Security patches? |
| 01:08.09 | asg | Gnurdux: It's a web browser, it isn't the end of the world |
| 01:08.10 | d0uglas | don't be naive, mozilla isn't the robin hood of web browser design |
| 01:08.35 | abrotman | Gnurdux: on top of which .. there are quite a large number of browsers that use the same rendering engine .. and don't have all kinds of goofy rules |
| 01:08.44 | Gnurdux | true |
| 01:08.51 | Gnurdux | but firefox has a nice interface etc |
| 01:08.59 | Gnurdux | as long as debian leaves that intact im fine |
| 01:09.08 | Gnurdux | and keeps addons working |
| 01:09.12 | abrotman | i disagree .. i don't like the interface .. but that's subjective |
| 01:09.14 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: how do I lower my reserve blocks to 1%.. It looks like: mkfs -m 1 -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 and that doesn't work |
| 01:09.15 | d0uglas | there's got to be some kind of IE plugin to make it look like firefox |
| 01:09.16 | gravity | Gnurdux: No one wants to break the browser |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | asg: that's my peg leg! |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: what's the error ? |
| 01:09.27 | Gnurdux | lol IE |
| 01:09.43 | d0uglas | lol! |
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| 01:09.57 | holycow | i like the name iceweasel my self :) |
| 01:09.58 | PumpkinPie | mkfs -m 1 -t ext3 /dev/sdb |
| 01:09.58 | PumpkinPie | mke2fs 1.37 (21-Mar-2005) |
| 01:09.58 | PumpkinPie | mkfs.ext2: bad blocks count - /dev/sdb |
| 01:10.05 | Wyzard | gravity: Hey, are you interested in feedback about compiz working in sid? |
| 01:10.12 | holycow | i think ti should fork just so that we can use that |
| 01:10.14 | Gnurdux | isnt magyar the hungarian word for hungarian? |
| 01:10.14 | gravity | Wyzard: Um... sorta? |
| 01:10.23 | asg | Wyzard: there is always ln(1) |
| 01:10.24 | gravity | Wyzard: If there's a bug, file it in the bts please |
| 01:10.30 | gravity | Wyzard: We already have several against compiz |
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| 01:10.41 | asg | s/Wyzard/holycow/ |
| 01:10.49 | gravity | Besides, I'm not the primary guy looking after compiz |
| 01:10.57 | Wyzard | gravity: I know... I recently resolved a problem on nVidia (lack of borders and titlebars) by removing compiz's gconf stuff, as recommended in the bug report |
| 01:11.08 | Wyzard | gravity: ok, that's what I was wondering, whether you're the one in charge of it |
| 01:11.31 | gravity | I'm "the buck stops here" guy for the XSF, but compiz is being well cared for right now, so I can focus on other things |
| 01:11.33 | Wyzard | gravity: just wanted to let you know that I have it working on both nVIdia (with the beta driver) and i915, and it seems fine |
| 01:11.41 | gravity | Cool |
| 01:11.58 | Gnurdux | compiz works on i915? |
| 01:12.03 | gravity | Gnurdux: Yes |
| 01:12.04 | Wyzard | On i915 it doesn't composite OpenGL or XVideo stuff, and I think that's a bug so I'll report it sometime in the near future |
| 01:12.05 | Gnurdux | would it work on an i845? |
| 01:12.12 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: worth a try |
| 01:12.17 | gravity | Gnurdux: It should. Try it. |
| 01:12.18 | d0uglas | compiz without the video configuration headaches: http://youtube.com/results?search_query=compiz&search=Search |
| 01:12.26 | Gnurdux | wait is this with or without XGL? |
| 01:12.31 | gravity | Wyzard: That's a known upstream bug in the AIGLX implementation |
| 01:12.36 | gravity | Wyzard: It's being worked out |
| 01:12.42 | PumpkinPie | how do I create a file system with custom reserved blocks? |
| 01:12.45 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: with AIGLX, which is part of XOrg 7.1, which is in sid |
| 01:12.45 | gravity | Gnurdux: Without |
| 01:12.51 | holycow | anyone here manage to get grub installed to mbr on hds setup to run as software raid 1 with d-i? |
| 01:12.57 | Wyzard | gravity: OK, so I won't bother reporting that |
| 01:13.07 | Gnurdux | what can it do without Xgl? |
| 01:13.12 | Gnurdux | same stuff but slower? |
| 01:13.18 | Gnurdux | and if so whats the point of Xgl |
| 01:13.59 | gravity | s/but slower// |
| 01:13.59 | Gnurdux | then REALLY whats the point of Xgl |
| 01:14.00 | Wyzard | gravity: (Interestingly, the previous version of compiz, that was superseded a few days ago, *did* composite GL stuff (I think... I could be misremembering) but it was sluggish all-around |
| 01:14.00 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: you can feed it a badblocks file |
| 01:14.00 | gravity | Gnurdux: That depends on whether you think a new server implementation is the way forward or not really |
| 01:14.00 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: AIGLX serves the same purpose as XGL and provides basically the same capabilities... it's just a different implementation |
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| 01:14.23 | d0uglas | how does fglrx handle compiz |
| 01:14.31 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: XGL works by running the regular X server, and opening a big fullscreen OpenGL window (no different from a fullscreen game, really) which implements *another* X server |
| 01:14.39 | Gnurdux | i know |
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| 01:14.45 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: AIGLX puts the compositing capability right into the regular X server |
| 01:14.48 | Gnurdux | but there was gonna be another one thats native |
| 01:14.51 | Wyzard | yep |
| 01:15.12 | d0uglas | i can get a higher framerate on glxgears using vnc |
| 01:15.18 | Wyzard | it's a better design IMO, but unlike XGL it requires support from video drivers, which fglrx currently lacks, and nvidia only has in the beta driver |
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| 01:15.28 | PumpkinPie | you crackers |
| 01:15.43 | gravity | That reminds me... dinner! |
| 01:15.46 | Wyzard | d0uglas: fglrx doesn't implement GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, which is needed by AIGLX, so it won't work at all |
| 01:15.50 | asg | !feed gravity |
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| 01:15.58 | PumpkinPie | much easier to use tune2fs... abrotman why arn't you telling me to use tune2fs ? |
| 01:16.00 | Gnurdux | whats a better design Wyzard, and why does it need support from video drivers? |
| 01:16.05 | d0uglas | damn.. thanks wyzard |
| 01:16.30 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: with badblocks ? |
| 01:16.38 | PumpkinPie | no bad blocks |
| 01:16.43 | PumpkinPie | just want to lower reserve blocks |
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| 01:17.14 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: It's a better design because it continues using the well-established and featureful XOrg server for normal usage, rather than layering a second X server on top of it... the latter is an ugly hack, IMO, and there's the potential for application compatibility problems |
| 01:17.22 | devicenull | Hi, debian isnt detecting my PCMIA wifi device at all.. I don't even see it listed in lspci |
| 01:17.46 | PumpkinPie | for me '-m' doesn't work (like it says in mkfs manual) but does work on tune2fs |
| 01:17.49 | devicenull | I don't expect it to have drivers, but I cant even see that the hardware is present |
| 01:18.01 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: you can use it with mkfs though |
| 01:18.03 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: AIGLX needs the video driver to support using an arbitrary X pixmap as an OpenGL texture (that's the GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap extension), so that the offscreen pixmaps established by the Composite extension can be used to draw the screen with OpenGL |
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| 01:18.26 | holycow | mod Wyzard +10 |
| 01:18.29 | holycow | well put |
| 01:18.37 | d0uglas | wyzard, you the man |
| 01:19.05 | Gnurdux | Wyzard, so the driver just needs that extension |
| 01:19.10 | Gnurdux | either hardware or software |
| 01:19.46 | Wyzard | right |
| 01:20.00 | Wyzard | Many of the open-source drivers shipped with XOrg support it already |
| 01:20.07 | Wyzard | like i810, which is why it works on my laptop |
| 01:20.28 | Wyzard | (oddly, the open-source "radeon" driver apparently doesn't support it yet -- I tried that earlier today on an Ubuntu Edgy box) |
| 01:20.28 | holycow | which of course is superbly awesome |
| 01:20.42 | holycow | ui feels nicely crispy and native, no ugly hacks required to get it running |
| 01:20.51 | devicenull | in fact, debian has not even detected the entire pcmcia bus |
| 01:20.56 | Gnurdux | and i use the i810 driver |
| 01:20.59 | Wyzard | nVidia's beta driver works with compiz, though they're not actually using AIGLX, they're using something of their own (as usual) |
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| 01:21.36 | Wyzard | fglrx will probably support GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap eventually, but I don't pay much attention to ATI stuff so I have no idea when |
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| 01:23.32 | d0uglas | Wyzard: any idea if the radeon igp 320m works at all with xinerama? i'm beginning to think it's not possible |
| 01:23.58 | Wyzard | d0uglas: I have basically zero experience with radeon hardware, sorry |
| 01:24.03 | devicenull | debian etch, kernel version 2.6.17-686, on a dell insprion 2600... I can't get my entire PCMCIA bus to be detected.. any suggestions? |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | just half of it ? |
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| 01:25.36 | devicenull | ok, got the bus detected, but nothing attached to it is detected |
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| 01:28.13 | edju | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:33.42 | magyar | fglrx from "non-free" in sid when build as a module loads without errors but my screen goes blank "Stand by". Any clues gents? |
| 01:34.09 | ahlfors | magyar, continue standing by? |
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| 01:34.30 | magyar | ahlfors: uh0huh |
| 01:35.49 | magyar | thats german for yes |
| 01:36.16 | magyar | or is it yah |
| 01:36.28 | magyar | :-0 |
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| 01:37.06 | ahlfors | ja-huh |
| 01:37.15 | ryty | okay, so how does one fix a GRUB error 15 after rebooting? |
| 01:37.43 | ryty | (and yes, I use Debian) |
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| 01:41.44 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 01:42.08 | ryty | hello, wouldn't happen to be a GRUB expert, would you? |
| 01:42.18 | Azar | ryty, I am a lilo fan |
| 01:43.42 | EdLin | ryty: what's the problem? |
| 01:43.45 | Azar | so "anyone" saw that glandium.orb blog about Facts about Debian and Mozilla® Firefox® |
| 01:43.57 | EdLin | ryty: oh, I see. I don't know the error numbers. |
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| 01:44.07 | EdLin | ryty: try google |
| 01:44.10 | Wyzard | ryty: A Google search for "grub error 15" turns up a thread on Gentoo's forum that seems informative |
| 01:44.12 | EdLin | :-) |
| 01:44.15 | Azar | darn if I understand what they are arguing about |
| 01:44.36 | EdLin | google++ |
| 01:44.38 | d0uglas | i can't believe the german parliament actually passed a law banning the referencing of nazism in ssid broadcasts |
| 01:44.46 | dondelelcaro | ryty: that means that grub is trying to load a kernel that doesn't exist. |
| 01:44.59 | Guerin | d0uglas: wtf |
| 01:45.04 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: #debian-ot is over there... and it's time to read the WWII settlement. |
| 01:45.08 | EdLin | d0uglas: "no matter what, don't talk about the war!" - Monty Python |
| 01:45.13 | Azar | hello monsieur Guerin :) |
| 01:45.30 | Guerin | Azar: kia ora |
| 01:45.42 | dondelelcaro | ryty: see http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Stage2-errors |
| 01:45.56 | Azar | so tomorrow we get the freeze? |
| 01:46.20 | Guerin | if that's o, I hope fuse is fix0red |
| 01:46.27 | amphi | d0uglas: your incredulity is well-founded |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | Azar: no |
| 01:46.51 | Azar | I am looking around for Debian news, none yet |
| 01:46.54 | Azar | thanks abrotman |
| 01:47.17 | EdLin | I'm Jewish, and even I don't like all the rediculous restrictions on free speech conserning past events |
| 01:47.18 | grendelson | Can anyone on right now suggest a daap client for linux (graphical) "similar to itunes? |
| 01:47.42 | grendelson | I have xmms2 working and mt-daap but need to havea true graphical interface for the ret of the family :-) |
| 01:48.02 | odla | rhythmbox, amarok, or quodlibet |
| 01:48.04 | dondelelcaro | Azar: some things are already frozen, and others wont be |
| 01:48.08 | EdLin | s/conserning/concerning/ |
| 01:48.35 | Azar | dondelelcaro: that sounds nice |
| 01:48.43 | EdLin | dondelelcaro: do you think that there will be a release on time? :-) |
| 01:48.52 | dondelelcaro | EdLin: we always release on time |
| 01:48.56 | grendelson | odla : Ahh I forgot rythmbox... thanx |
| 01:48.58 | grendelson | thanks |
| 01:49.18 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.19 | Azar | personally I do not see why not, etch is running great since back august ... |
| 01:49.29 | EdLin | dondelelcaro: well, true, I guess I mean without any changes to the release schedule |
| 01:49.39 | d0uglas | listen is pretty good |
| 01:50.14 | Azar | I think it would be a shame to chocke the release only to have a browser built-in |
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| 01:51.00 | odla | Azar:? |
| 01:51.06 | EdLin | Azar: how does iceweasel slow things down? All you need to do is rename a package and make "firefox" and "mozilla-firefox" point at it. |
| 01:51.24 | Wyzard | odla: quodlibet does DAAP? |
| 01:51.26 | Azar | EdLin: thats what exactly I am reading here |
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| 01:51.28 | d0uglas | EdLin: it's not that simple! |
| 01:51.36 | odla | Wyzard: i think i made that up...i don't know |
| 01:51.39 | Azar | http://web.glandium.org/blog/?p=97 |
| 01:51.53 | abrotman | Azar: uhm .. that has almost zilch to do with it |
| 01:52.03 | abrotman | Azar: start fixing bugs .. bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 01:52.11 | d0uglas | for starters, the logo's protected |
| 01:52.18 | Wyzard | odla: I'm using QL right now and I don't see anything about DAAP in the plugins list |
| 01:52.26 | Azar | abrotman: I thought iceweasel was a different browser I just find out is a firefox surogate? |
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| 01:52.36 | abrotman | surogate ? |
| 01:52.41 | deceptacon | somebody recommend a bnc for debian |
| 01:52.43 | gravity | RC count == insanity |
| 01:52.47 | d0uglas | if by surogate you mean fork, then you are right |
| 01:53.03 | Azar | abrotman: this is how I understood reading that article |
| 01:53.09 | EdLin | Azar: it's a renaming because of trademarks, no extra work need be done for now |
| 01:53.16 | odla | like a surrogate mother? |
| 01:53.17 | Azar | bugs? my etch runs since august perfectly |
| 01:53.52 | deceptacon | anyone know a compatible bnc for debian? :D |
| 01:54.21 | Azar | now if I would only have a newer hardware, then maybe I could get some bugs to cough |
| 01:54.27 | deceptacon | psyBNC tells me: This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work. If you are using curses, use make menuconfig-curses instead. |
| 01:54.33 | deceptacon | even though i have the ncurses lib |
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| 01:54.51 | Wyzard | deceptacon: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 01:54.52 | gravity | Wyzard: I was wondering the same thing. Glad I'm not the only one. |
| 01:55.00 | deceptacon | ok Wyzard, ill try that |
| 01:55.05 | d0uglas | debian is sooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants. it's totally awesome and that's a fact. |
| 01:55.10 | gravity | heh |
| 01:55.10 | Azar | Wyzard: some sort of hidden connection info |
| 01:55.23 | Wyzard | deceptacon: libncurses5 is the library for use by programs that are already compiled; if you want to compile new programs to use the library, you need the -dev package |
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| 01:56.02 | grendelson | Hmm I have rhythmbox but daap is not shown as a supported plugin :-( |
| 01:56.04 | deceptacon | mmkay |
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| 01:56.26 | alexbodn | hi all |
| 01:57.06 | alexbodn | how can i overcome the "/dev/shm/ must be not mounted noexec" problem when i'm running user mode linux? |
| 01:57.08 | Wyzard | I used to update sid around 7pm each day, and now it's nearly 10pm and I still get 404s for most of the new debs |
| 01:57.10 | d0uglas | Wyzard: i'm having problems too, it's not just you |
| 01:57.34 | Wyzard | d0uglas: 404s for lots of packages from http.us.debian.org, even with multiple retries so you get different actual servers? |
| 01:58.03 | d0uglas | no, retried and it worked |
| 01:58.06 | d0uglas | twice |
| 01:58.26 | Wyzard | and debian.lcs.mit.edu always has its Release.gpg out-of-date |
| 01:58.55 | grendelson | How do I get the daap plugin for rhythmbox - is it merely a drop in o the fs or is it a package (a aptitude search doesnt reveal ) :-( |
| 01:58.56 | ahlfors | Wyzard, contact the site admin |
| 01:59.01 | Wyzard | I've been retrying it periodically for several hours |
| 01:59.13 | Wyzard | ahlfors: Well, it gets updated eventually... just not until rather late |
| 01:59.29 | Wyzard | ahlfors: as if it's taking a long time to update the mirror, and that's one of the last files to get updated |
| 02:00.07 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: although, if they're doing things properly, the Release and Release.gpg should be updated immediately after the Packages.gz |
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| 02:00.10 | ahlfors | Maybe that's a good thing. You don't want to dist-upgrade against a partial mirror |
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| 02:00.44 | Wyzard | I know, but it's strange that it takes so long |
| 02:00.57 | Wyzard | I also have debian.uchicago.edu as a source, and that doesn't seem to have updated at all yet |
| 02:01.21 | Wyzard | it still doesn't know about the new packages today, even after doing an update just a minute ago |
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| 02:04.25 | nekostar | arg!! |
| 02:04.38 | nekostar | hey i'm using filezilla windows client to sftpd into my debian box. |
| 02:04.50 | grendelson | Wow banshee works flawlessly and finds my songs very nice! |
| 02:04.59 | nekostar | when i use normal ftp i usually get about 300KB/s from my server to here... yet while using the sftpd im getting oh |
| 02:05.05 | nekostar | 30KB |
| 02:05.16 | nekostar | wtf? and what should i be looking at?? |
| 02:05.32 | Kevin` | that's odd, i'd think you'd get at least 150 |
| 02:05.46 | nekostar | (Kevin`)` its normally that much slower ? |
| 02:05.47 | Kevin` | is one or more of the computers old and slow? |
| 02:05.57 | nekostar | neither are that old or slow. |
| 02:06.01 | Kevin` | nekostar there is unavoidable overhead from using encryption |
| 02:06.06 | nekostar | im in california server is in france |
| 02:06.12 | Guerin | nekostar: stop with the brackets already |
| 02:06.20 | nekostar | 50% overhead??? |
| 02:06.27 | nekostar | Guerin what brackets |
| 02:06.35 | Azar | so I need some guidance, here is my sources.list http://channels.debian.net/paste/4095 and I wonder why if I replace "stable" with "sarge" aptitude or apt-get won't find the repository? |
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| 02:06.39 | Guerin | nekostar: < nekostar> (Kevin`)` |
| 02:06.43 | nekostar | oh i picked a wierd charactor for nickcomplete with this |
| 02:06.43 | Kevin` | nekostar that's what i've heard people say, I don't think i've ever tested it |
| 02:06.52 | nekostar | it only complets on nicks that end with ` |
| 02:06.55 | nekostar | best i can do Guerin |
| 02:07.01 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:07.24 | nekostar | i use all the other charactors on my kb more frequently so i would end up with a lot of borked complets |
| 02:07.28 | nekostar | *completes |
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| 02:07.48 | nekostar | anyway |
| 02:07.51 | Azar | hehe |
| 02:07.58 | nekostar | can one of yall recomend a better sftpd client ? |
| 02:08.00 | odla | is there a new marillat key? |
| 02:08.21 | Kevin` | nekostar I personally hardly ever use sftp, I use scp |
| 02:08.30 | nekostar | mm |
| 02:08.33 | Guerin | nekostar: for windows? try filezilla. |
| 02:08.36 | Kevin` | it's faster (in terms of usage, not transfer) |
| 02:08.40 | nekostar | locally i use windows. remotely debian. |
| 02:08.40 | odla | the marillat key factoid doesn't seem to be working |
| 02:08.41 | ahlfors | Weird problem: About once every five or ten minutes, the light goes off on my mouse and then on again. At the same time, the keyboard becomes momentarily unresponsive (any key I've pressed is held down for 500msec or so) |
| 02:08.42 | nekostar | ftp is broken |
| 02:08.43 | ahlfors | Any ideas? |
| 02:08.52 | nekostar | b/c when i try to download some isos it just keeps going and going and going |
| 02:08.55 | Kevin` | oh, on windows, I use winscp |
| 02:08.59 | Kevin` | which does sftp |
| 02:09.07 | Guerin | yeah, winscp is good wares |
| 02:09.09 | nekostar | so a 4.3 gig iso ends up being like 8.2gigs which is borked |
| 02:09.18 | Azar | odla: been one year since marillat does not work for me: it only worked when I was using woody |
| 02:09.18 | nekostar | yeah was grabbing that actually... |
| 02:09.25 | Guerin | nekostar: use wget or something |
| 02:09.54 | Kevin` | wget, with an http server, would indeed be one of the fastest ways |
| 02:10.03 | Kevin` | faster then ftp for single small files |
| 02:10.10 | odla | nevermind...it's cause i don't have sudo installed |
| 02:10.18 | Azar | .. not to say that debian.us source does not work either, I have to use a .de source |
| 02:10.43 | odla | the oregon state works real well and it's very fast |
| 02:11.23 | holycow | has anyone here setup software raid1 using d-I? just curious if you were able to install grub to the mbr or not ... my attempts are failing in various configurations |
| 02:11.36 | nekostar | the thing is Guerin |
| 02:11.48 | nekostar | i'm wondering if somehow i borked my compiling of pure-ftpd |
| 02:11.54 | Azar | Guerin is "da bomb" |
| 02:11.55 | nekostar | i had to compile with largefile |
| 02:12.02 | Wyzard | I just added another source, lug.mtu.edu, and that doesn't know about today's packages yet either |
| 02:12.09 | nekostar | and i use it as i use virtual users which does not seem to be easy with the other ftpd's |
| 02:12.13 | nekostar | !_! |
| 02:12.14 | dpkg | [_] ALT-255 |
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| 02:13.13 | etzerd | hello all |
| 02:13.13 | Azar | ok to ask again, what could I do to keep my sources.list pinned to Sarge after Etch release? |
| 02:13.35 | odla | Azar: replace 'stable' with 'sarge |
| 02:13.46 | etzerd | how can I install software to play DVD in Debian? |
| 02:13.51 | Kevin` | when is etch going to be released |
| 02:13.53 | Azar | odla, I tried, several times, aptitude will give a "non-found" error |
| 02:13.54 | odla | etzerd: libdvdcss |
| 02:14.01 | odla | etzerd: libdvdcss2 |
| 02:14.04 | Wyzard | Kevin`: December |
| 02:14.12 | nekostar | omfg |
| 02:14.20 | etzerd | that's all? nothing else? |
| 02:14.27 | odla | etzerd: that's it |
| 02:14.31 | Guerin | nekostar: don't compile |
| 02:14.36 | teledyn | etzerd: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 02:14.36 | etzerd | thanks odla |
| 02:14.42 | Wyzard | linux.csua.berkeley.edu hasn't updated for today either |
| 02:14.48 | nekostar | i'm getting about 6KB/s with winscp vs 30KB/s with filezilla on sftp protocall vs 300KB/s with ftp protocall |
| 02:14.49 | Wyzard | wtf is wrong with all the mirrors? |
| 02:14.51 | odla | etzerd: np |
| 02:14.52 | nekostar | doesnt that seem to be bad? |
| 02:14.58 | nekostar | Guerin i have to have largefile support. |
| 02:15.20 | Azar | Wyzard: might be the freezing issue? |
| 02:15.27 | Wyzard | freezing issue? |
| 02:15.42 | nekostar | wow. |
| 02:15.45 | nekostar | ultrahorrid |
| 02:16.03 | Azar | Wyzard: uhm.. what you are refering to? |
| 02:16.17 | Azar | not being able to use aptitude? |
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| 02:16.45 | Wyzard | For the past few weeks all of Debian's mirrors seem to be taking a very long time to update |
| 02:16.53 | PumpkinPie | Its trying to mount my 2nd hard drive before it loads the SATA controller drivers.. what should I do? |
| 02:17.04 | Wyzard | I'm on the east coast of the US, and it used to be that by 7pm or so, I could get the day's sid updates from any mirror |
| 02:17.13 | Wyzard | now it's 10:17 and most of them still don't seem to have updated |
| 02:17.24 | abrotman | not do that |
| 02:17.32 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's been getting slower and slower |
| 02:17.36 | teledyn | i use mirrors2.kernel.org |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | afaict anyways |
| 02:17.43 | Wyzard | and http.us.debian.org thinks it has the new packages, but returns 404s when I try to actually download them |
| 02:17.49 | etzerd | teledyn: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia said no such file or directory |
| 02:17.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: .us. just worked for me |
| 02:18.00 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 02:18.00 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 02:18.13 | Wyzard | I just added mirrors.kernel.org to my sources, and that at least thinks it has the new packages... let's see if I can actually download them |
| 02:18.14 | teledyn | !tell etzerd about debian-multimedia |
| 02:18.28 | Wyzard | hep, mirrors.kernel.org is working |
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| 02:18.48 | eggleston | anyone got any recommendations for a good port scanning program? |
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| 02:18.59 | Kevin` | nmap. |
| 02:19.00 | abrotman | nmap ? |
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| 02:19.18 | teledyn | nmap and strobe |
| 02:19.20 | Wyzard | but http.us.debian.org still returns 404s |
| 02:19.29 | eimajenthat | hello, trying to run vlc in etch. I actually managed to get it installed through apt-get (nightlies.videolan.org). However, I get a buttload of errors when I try to open it. Anyone know enough about vlc to decipher this: http://pastey.net/1654 |
| 02:19.32 | Azar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4096 |
| 02:19.50 | eggleston | Kevin`, and that should be able to scan all my ports and tell me which are available? |
| 02:19.52 | Guerin | Wyzard: fwiw ftp.nz.d.o appears complete |
| 02:19.58 | abrotman | eggleston: yes |
| 02:20.04 | Kevin` | indeed it will... |
| 02:20.05 | Guerin | eggleston: that's what a portscanner does. |
| 02:20.09 | Azar | aptitude upgrade offers to remove 62.8MB of stuff I actually need, any hint? |
| 02:20.13 | userlink | Greetings! Does any of you guys know anything about k3b stuff? |
| 02:20.27 | PumpkinPie | nevermind |
| 02:20.33 | Guerin | userlink: ask your real question |
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| 02:20.49 | Wyzard | My main concern isn't so much over which mirrors happen to be up-to-date at this moment... it's why the heck are they being so slow to update lately |
| 02:20.52 | eggleston | Guerin, i think i should have worded my question better. i don't want a software that will scan another computer on a network, just the one the program is installed on. but thanks for the aadvice |
| 02:21.07 | Azar | am I getting the real update there? |
| 02:21.13 | Kevin` | eggleston man netstat |
| 02:21.19 | userlink | ok: I saved my k3b projects. I want to somehow copy the information to a database or even a .txt file... |
| 02:21.19 | Guerin | eggleston: you want netstat -plaunt |
| 02:21.25 | userlink | I hope I made myself clear. |
| 02:21.43 | Kevin` | eggleston nessus is very nice if you run it on your local system, but probably completely overkill |
| 02:21.51 | Guerin | userlink: #kde might know; try just opening the project file in an editor or pager |
| 02:21.55 | userlink | but a .k3b file is a binary.... so... any suggestions? |
| 02:22.00 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 02:22.02 | userlink | I did. |
| 02:22.04 | Guerin | man, that's stupid |
| 02:22.09 | userlink | yeah. |
| 02:22.13 | Guerin | why would they not just use plain old text |
| 02:22.18 | Guerin | or at least some sort of xml |
| 02:22.18 | userlink | right, man. |
| 02:22.20 | Azar | ok I will try later |
| 02:22.27 | Guerin | @fuck kde |
| 02:22.29 | userlink | any suggestions? |
| 02:22.35 | Guerin | userlink: ask #kde |
| 02:22.44 | userlink | ok, guerin. thanks. |
| 02:23.51 | stoned | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4097 <-- My problem, better explained on here, can anyone take a peek |
| 02:24.10 | etzerd | teledyn: I went to videoland to download the libdvdcss I don't know which one to download. cause they have .rpm .gz extention. |
| 02:24.36 | stoned | etzerd, /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 02:24.52 | eggleston | Kevin`, i'm trying to find an open port so i can direct azeurus ( a Bittorrent program) to use it, but when i tell azueurus to check 1004 (by all accounts is open) it tells me it cannot test. |
| 02:24.54 | stoned | etzerd, after that it will be apt-get install libdvdcss2 |
| 02:24.59 | Marupa | hey there, is there a way to install all the x11 fonts without installing x11? |
| 02:25.28 | Kevin` | eggleston ports 1-1024 require root access to listen on |
| 02:25.31 | Kevin` | use something higher |
| 02:25.32 | ahlfors | stoned, is this a new disk? I mean did you just mkfs.ext3? Could be that it only made a 96mb filesystem for some reason |
| 02:25.34 | edju | banshee's not in stable? |
| 02:25.47 | eggleston | Kevin`, so sudo azeurus should work? |
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| 02:26.19 | stoned | well, I did mkfs.ext3 -m 0 -n /dev/sdb2 first, to test, looked fine, so I removed -n and it should've made a 230~gb fs |
| 02:26.21 | Kevin` | eggleston that's unwise, just pick a higher port |
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| 02:26.44 | teledyn | etzerd: did you read the factoid? you add to your sources.list and install it normally |
| 02:26.49 | stoned | ahlfors, ^^ |
| 02:27.29 | ahlfors | Maybe it is a df problem. Trying making a 100mb file in /home |
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| 02:27.44 | sandman | Anyone here play Nexuiz on Debian? |
| 02:27.54 | Guerin | !anyone use Nexuiz on Debian? |
| 02:27.54 | dpkg | No, no one uses Nexuiz on Debian, not even the people who use it. |
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| 02:28.15 | Kevin` | what's nexuiz? |
| 02:28.20 | stoned | fps I think |
| 02:28.21 | sandman | What a profound way of saying you've played it. |
| 02:28.34 | sandman | It's a quake-like FPS, and it's _really_ good. All OSS from what I understand |
| 02:28.43 | Kevin` | neat |
| 02:28.49 | sandman | At any rate, for some reason, on _my_ system sound won't work. |
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| 02:28.56 | argonel | anyone willing to wager on whether an atx 1.2 psu can work pretending its atx 2.0 with the appropriate adapter? |
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| 02:29.17 | Kevin` | sandman hm I think i've seen that |
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| 02:29.37 | Kevin` | haven't yet tried it on debian, but that should only take a few minutes since I think I have it stored here somewhere |
| 02:29.40 | zam | how can i stop x ? |
| 02:29.42 | Guerin | argonel: sounds like fun |
| 02:29.48 | Marupa | stopx isn't it? |
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| 02:29.55 | Kevin` | zam technically, ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 02:29.55 | Guerin | argonel: i hope you know how much pain power badness can cause |
| 02:30.00 | Kevin` | really, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 02:30.06 | eggleston | Kevin`, tcp 0 0 10.1.1.3:48714 82.96.64.4:6667 ESTABLISHED23229/xchat. this shows that local port 48714 should be open, but when trying to test it i get 'nat error' |
| 02:30.08 | abrotman | argonel: ask #hardware :) |
| 02:30.19 | argonel | Guerin: yes, its making me queasy just thinking about it |
| 02:30.20 | Marupa | well, ok, if someone can answer this: |
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| 02:30.27 | Marupa | Can vnc run without x? |
| 02:30.36 | Kevin` | eggleston that port is part of a tcp connection |
| 02:30.37 | Guerin | Marupa: what would be the point? |
| 02:30.44 | argonel | abrotman: there's a #hardware? should have known :p |
| 02:30.47 | Kevin` | eggleston connections require a local port and a remote port |
| 02:30.57 | Kevin` | the source port is normally randomly chosen |
| 02:31.02 | zam | Kevin`: i have try that and it say gdm is all ready runing ?!! |
| 02:31.03 | bombero | hi, please help me to change the kernel from i368 to SMP (2x 1000MHz) with apt-get |
| 02:31.07 | eldowan | Marupa: you would probably be better served with ssh than vnc w/o a GUI |
| 02:31.07 | Kevin` | er |
| 02:31.08 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: the system errors on boot when checking my 2nd hard drive because it boots my sata controller for the 2nd driver AFTERWARDS.... ? |
| 02:31.15 | Kevin` | zam that's odd |
| 02:31.19 | eggleston | Kevin`, so what does that mean i should do? i don't get it. |
| 02:31.20 | Marupa | ok....thanks |
| 02:31.23 | Kevin` | you did say 'stop', yes? |
| 02:31.37 | Marupa | next question: Easiest apt-get to install all of x? |
| 02:31.42 | Marupa | (minimal x stuff, however) |
| 02:31.58 | Kevin` | eggleston use port 2013 or something |
| 02:32.03 | Guerin | Marupa: including server? x-window-system-core |
| 02:32.10 | vithos | if i add ssl_enable=YES to /etc/vsftpd.conf, the server won't start. is the etch vsftpd package not compiled with ssl support? |
| 02:32.21 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: initrd ? |
| 02:32.22 | Marupa | mostly, I just need to run wine to run a console .exe |
| 02:32.30 | argonel | Guerin: i just don't want to wait the two days it takes to get a decent psu ordered in this backwater :) |
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| 02:32.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:32.38 | Marupa | or isn't that even possible? |
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| 02:32.39 | eggleston | Kevin`, nat error |
| 02:32.39 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: what do I do with the initrd? |
| 02:32.46 | nick255 | vithos: do you have your certs all proper? |
| 02:32.48 | Guerin | Marupa: i don't really know or care about wine |
| 02:32.51 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: throw it against the wall .. see what sticks |
| 02:32.52 | Kevin` | eggleston are you, perhaps, using a nat router? |
| 02:33.19 | vithos | nick255: i don't know, would the certs generated when i installed the ssh package not be used? |
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| 02:33.43 | luge | pumpkin - mkinitrd is the way to have a sata driver loaded before system transfers to init |
| 02:33.45 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: somewhere in /etc/ (mine is initramfs-tools) .. there's a place where you can tell it to include modules in your initrd |
| 02:34.01 | eggleston | Kevin`, yes, but shouldn't there still be some ports not affected by it? |
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| 02:34.12 | Kevin` | if I were me I would load the sata driver by putting it in the kernel |
| 02:34.16 | Kevin` | it bieng always used and all |
| 02:34.22 | Kevin` | eggleston No |
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| 02:34.38 | Kevin` | eggleston configure your router, forward a port to your pc |
| 02:34.43 | nick255 | no you want ssl certs, totally different from ssh. with ssh they are keys, not certs, because the idea is that you pay to get a crypt key "certified" as being yours by a certificate authority. but you can make your own anyway and it will work, but it will give warnings |
| 02:35.01 | nick255 | warnings to the client |
| 02:35.21 | eggleston | Kevin`, kevin when using the guide from www.portforward.com it appears to have worked fine but still doesn't actually open the port. is it possible to turn the NAT off and still have the modem work? |
| 02:35.35 | alexbodn | i wish to unmount and remount /dev/shm with different options. how should i proceed? |
| 02:35.39 | Kevin` | eggleston not in any logical way. |
| 02:35.51 | Kevin` | eggleston if you want to use more then one computer on the same ip, you need nat |
| 02:36.15 | vithos | oh. well i haven't done anything with ssl certs, what do i need to do? |
| 02:36.25 | eggleston | Kevin`, i don't want to. i've just got my home PC that has a modem connected to it by ethernet |
| 02:36.26 | zam | i'm aboutto install nvidia beta driver "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9625-pkg1.run" case i'm gon use xgl and what ever i can found to have some magic to my desktop ... any ideas || wornings || help ? |
| 02:36.28 | nick255 | install openssl, read docs |
| 02:36.41 | Kevin` | eggleston you forwarded the port, higher then 1024, that you configued your azerues to listen on, to your local pc |
| 02:36.41 | abrotman | debian doesn't have xgl |
| 02:37.03 | nick255 | i think openssl supports tls too |
| 02:37.04 | Kevin` | eggleston it MIGHT be possible then |
| 02:37.50 | zam | abrotman: but i have seen a how to in some website about it ? |
| 02:37.54 | eggleston | Kevin`, shit. all seems to hard. might as well just buy a new bloody modem |
| 02:38.09 | abrotman | zam: you might have .. but debian isn't using xgl |
| 02:38.15 | Kevin` | eggleston perhaps you should look at the configuration on the modem before doing that |
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| 02:38.46 | zam | abrotman: but i can download them for sure right ? |
| 02:39.43 | abrotman | no idea |
| 02:39.47 | ice_1963 | glx :) |
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| 02:41.03 | zam | ok im gon try to shout x down ferist :) |
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| 02:45.15 | vithos | openssl was already installed, but i can't even find an error message in /var/log/vsftpd.log or /var/log/syslog, so i'm not sure what the problem is |
| 02:46.09 | Marupa | anyone ever have a problem with dpkg having corrupt output? |
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| 02:46.25 | Guerin | Marupa: you? |
| 02:46.34 | Marupa | Yes. Getting a bunch of random ascii chars |
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| 02:47.05 | ahlfors | Are you sure you're running (not catting) dpkg? |
| 02:47.10 | Marupa | yes |
| 02:47.15 | Marupa | I'm apt-getting |
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| 02:48.05 | Miesco | How come I always get this: Warning: Tried to connect to session manager, Could not open network socket |
| 02:48.14 | Miesco | That happends when I run xterm |
| 02:48.44 | Miesco | And I'll get this: |
| 02:48.45 | Miesco | GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
| 02:48.46 | vithos | ca-certificates is also already installed, so i guess it's not that |
| 02:48.47 | Miesco | Could not open network socket. |
| 02:49.10 | Miesco | I think it happends for vim also cause it takes a long time to load vim |
| 02:49.56 | nick255 | vithos: just read the openssl docs |
| 02:50.02 | nick255 | /usr/share/doc/openssl |
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| 02:51.44 | Miesco | Okay I know why vim takes so long to load |
| 02:52.30 | alexbodn | thanks all. bye |
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| 02:53.00 | devicenull | hrm |
| 02:53.01 | Miesco | http://paste.uni.cc/10912 |
| 02:53.10 | devicenull | my kernel is panicing because it cant find the / filesystem |
| 02:53.11 | Miesco | Thats why vim takes so long to load |
| 02:53.20 | devicenull | which is ext3.. which was compiled as a module |
| 02:53.24 | devicenull | I take it this was a bad idea? |
| 02:53.36 | Miesco | Can anyone tell me how to fix theses errors: http://paste.uni.cc/10912 |
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| 02:54.34 | pstickne | devicenull, generally ;) |
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| 02:55.16 | d0uglas | i just plugged in a usb mouse in my laptop, which works, but it's clicking every second |
| 02:55.19 | devicenull | well, I assumed it would find the module.. |
| 02:55.20 | devicenull | oh shit |
| 02:55.26 | devicenull | the module was on the / fs, wasnt it? |
| 02:55.45 | pstickne | yup. |
| 02:56.17 | pstickne | if you compile it as a module you need something like initrd support and cramfs compiled in. |
| 02:56.40 | pstickne | I think newer modules might have their own method but I'm not sure. that still worked fine on 2.6.14 |
| 02:57.38 | Miesco | peterS: Are you there? |
| 02:57.51 | peterS | possibly |
| 02:58.10 | pstickne | s/modules/kernels/ *sigh* |
| 02:58.14 | Miesco | peterS: Can you please tell me how to fix theses errors: http://paste.uni.cc/10912 |
| 02:58.56 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:59.57 | peterS | Miesco: I have no idea what application that is, but it looks as though it may not have permission to use your X display. perhaps you're using 'su' or something? |
| 03:00.32 | Miesco | peterS: Its vim |
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| 03:00.52 | Miesco | peterS: Ahh, I just tried it not in this screen and it worked |
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| 03:01.02 | zam | how can i reconfig xorg ? and what is the kernel "source pakeg " name ? |
| 03:01.07 | Miesco | peterS: Thanks! |
| 03:01.17 | Guerin | zam: /msg dpkg drxx, /msg dpkg search |
| 03:01.46 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 03:01.47 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 03:02.02 | hentai | 1 |
| 03:02.46 | smacnay__ | to add a user to a group - is it useradd or adduser? |
| 03:02.58 | Guerin | adduser |
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| 03:04.06 | abrotman | usually adduser .. but useradd in weird occasions :) |
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| 03:04.38 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 03:06.26 | luge | glad my mirc running under wine has /ignore |
| 03:06.53 | AfterDeath | woah |
| 03:06.58 | AfterDeath | mirc under wine? wtf |
| 03:07.24 | simonrvn | eew |
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| 03:08.03 | d0uglas | luge: is their an mirc port of ebonics.irc? under wine? |
| 03:08.46 | luge | glad my mirc running under wine has /ignore |
| 03:08.53 | abrotman | luge: noone cares |
| 03:08.55 | Miesco | Why would you use mirc anyways |
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| 03:09.38 | d0uglas | Miesco: i can type just a fragment of a nick that i'm addressing and it automagically spells the entire name! |
| 03:09.48 | d0uglas | and it even capitalizes it if necessary, as with yours |
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| 03:11.35 | eldowan | d0uglas: Many irc clients do that. :D |
| 03:12.02 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 03:12.03 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 03:12.03 | d0uglas | Miesco: it even has its own built-in identd which saves you space |
| 03:12.10 | abrotman | holy crap ... |
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| 03:12.32 | d0uglas | woah.. |
| 03:13.08 | d0uglas | i wonder if there's an RFC for that tab feature.. i mean, how would you replicate it when telnetting to irc |
| 03:13.25 | d0uglas | i'll have to run ethereal and reverse-engineer it |
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| 03:20.17 | abrotman | !tell niles about root |
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| 03:21.09 | luge | now now douglas - you know you aren't allowed to play big elite hacker after 8Pm |
| 03:21.26 | abrotman | luge: do you have a debian related question ? |
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| 03:24.18 | amphi | !tell luge about nicktab |
| 03:24.29 | d0uglas | with a mobile athlon xp 2400+, for juice-saving purposes, do i want to be running athcool or powernowd? and anything else to regulate fan functions? |
| 03:24.41 | AfterDeath | !tell me about root |
| 03:25.10 | abrotman | !tell AfterDeath about selftell |
| 03:25.14 | g333k | is there a pdf viewer that lets print many pages in one? |
| 03:25.18 | g333k | like 6 |
| 03:25.26 | abrotman | g333k: evince won't do that ? |
| 03:25.33 | AfterDeath | sorry |
| 03:27.27 | abrotman | g333k: i just tried gpdf/evince/xpdf .. it was no with those three .. or at least i didn't see it |
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| 03:28.47 | devicenull | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 03:29.00 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 03:29.00 | dpkg | i guess devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 03:29.13 | devicenull | I can boot to another kernel version fine |
| 03:29.19 | devicenull | I'm wondering why this compile does this |
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| 03:29.23 | abrotman | did you compile your own ? |
| 03:29.25 | devicenull | and how do I fix this compile? |
| 03:29.26 | devicenull | yea |
| 03:29.35 | abrotman | you forgot something .. try it again |
| 03:29.39 | Seb | devicenull: install a debian kernel image |
| 03:29.47 | noderat | I had a user with incorrect permission delete /etc/init.d, is there any way to reinstall all software to recover the folder? |
| 03:29.53 | holycow | okay let me try this question then ... |
| 03:29.58 | noderat | incorrect permissions* |
| 03:29.59 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 03:30.00 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 03:30.32 | devicenull | Seb, why |
| 03:30.34 | zam | what is the best kernel for Pentium 4 3000 Mz (386 OR 486 Or 686 OR what ) ? |
| 03:30.43 | Guerin | zam: 686 |
| 03:30.43 | Seb | devicenull: because then it will work |
| 03:30.48 | holycow | when considering software raid ... is it okay to consider having /boot partition that is non raided and then create raid arrays for all the other partitions? say raid 1, 2 hds, /boot non raided on each, all other parititions raid arrays? |
| 03:31.03 | devicenull | Seb, I am severly limited as far as memory goes, I don't want anything unnecessary |
| 03:31.08 | noderat | abrotman: any way of selecting all packages to reinstall the config files for? |
| 03:31.10 | devicenull | it's also a fairly slow machine |
| 03:31.16 | thelostbutler | zam: 686 |
| 03:31.45 | Seb | devicenull: everything or almost is a module in the debian kernel image, you can remoe whatever you don't need |
| 03:32.04 | thelostbutler | holycow: yeah it is fine. |
| 03:32.24 | holycow | thank you |
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| 03:32.33 | thelostbutler | holycow: why would you not want to create a raid for /boot though ? |
| 03:33.41 | holycow | thelostbutler, well i do want to but d-i cannot install grub to mbr ... it cannot actually find /sbin/grub-installer for some reason ... and this is the exact same prob on two different systems |
| 03:34.07 | thelostbutler | holycow: are you installing for 32bit or 64bit ? |
| 03:34.07 | holycow | and i can't tell yet if its d-i or the particular versio nof netinstaller or something else |
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| 03:34.12 | holycow | 32 bit |
| 03:34.45 | thelostbutler | that's odd |
| 03:35.03 | holycow | thelostbutler, just to confirm at least someone elses success story ... |
| 03:35.32 | roflmayonaize | i compiled psyBNC on debian i keep seeing "'" in front of everything (thats a ') |
| 03:35.39 | holycow | so technically you should be able to just created the raid partitions, create md devices, apply, then install grub to mbr .. is that right? |
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| 03:36.07 | roflmayonaize | does anyone else have this problem |
| 03:36.13 | thelostbutler | holycow: yes. but how are you creating the raids ? are you using guided partitioning in d-i ? |
| 03:36.27 | Guerin | roflmayonaize: ask the psybnc makers |
| 03:36.38 | holycow | thelostbutler, manual partitioning ... i think. let me check that again |
| 03:36.44 | roflmayonaize | or do you think its my irc client Guerin? |
| 03:39.53 | holycow | thelostbutler, manual partitioning, i find guided makes not totally usefull suggestions :) |
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| 03:40.46 | thelostbutler | well good luck ! :) |
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| 03:41.08 | holycow | lol |
| 03:41.36 | thelostbutler | it is odd though the d-i would complain that /sbin/grub-installer is not there. i am assuming this is for debian-stable right ? |
| 03:41.51 | holycow | oh yes i only use that |
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| 03:42.07 | holycow | thelostbutler, when you partition for software raid, you use guided partitioning? if so why? just curious |
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| 03:42.43 | roflmayonaize | test 'deceptacon |
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| 03:44.08 | dclarke | test |
| 03:44.24 | vithos | hmm.. is lspci not available for etch? |
| 03:44.35 | dclarke | anyone know of a linux distro that runs on DEC Alpha ? |
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| 03:45.04 | thelostbutler | holycow: well for everyday purpose i use FAI, but there was this 64bit system for which fai was not setup, so i had to do a manual install. it has been months, i can't rememnber if i used guided or manual, either way i was able to create software raids easily and grub just worked |
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| 03:45.54 | holycow | thelostbutler, okay at minimum i'm not crazy to think this 'should' work :) |
| 03:46.45 | thelostbutler | craziness is relative ;) |
| 03:47.06 | holycow | heh :) if only |
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| 03:48.31 | holycow | well jesus |
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| 03:48.35 | holycow | dude just fixed my problem |
| 03:48.37 | holycow | wtf |
| 03:48.47 | holycow | damnit gotta remember to thank him next time he drops in |
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| 03:49.50 | [GNU]Order | how do I get rid of this pesky apt-get error: /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-core.postinst: line 4: /usr/sbin/update-webmin: No such file or directory |
| 03:49.55 | liable | partman can be confusing when you try and set up raid during install |
| 03:50.03 | andax | is there a way to mount something in a way that it doesn't show up in "mount" output? |
| 03:50.31 | [GNU]Order | I've tried reinstalling and removing webmin with no luck. |
| 03:50.36 | andax | i mean some kind of "hidden" mount, where the actual mount point exists and readable but it's hidden from "mount" output |
| 03:50.57 | liable | [GNU]Order: sounds like the package is broken. find out which package (if not that one) that has that binary |
| 03:51.30 | andax | if it is not possible where do I get the source code? |
| 03:51.34 | danieldg | andax: /etc/mtab has the output that mount shows... remove it from there |
| 03:51.42 | andax | danieldg, oh thanks |
| 03:51.49 | danieldg | just be warned this may not be a good idea |
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| 03:52.05 | andax | danieldg, worst case scenario? |
| 03:52.31 | [GNU]Order | liable: Well I thought so too and deleted it hoping a new one would be downloaded. /var/cache/apt/archives/webmin-core_1.180-3_all.deb |
| 03:52.43 | danieldg | hmm... can't unmount it, some app failing when it can't hardlink stuff apparently on the same partition maybe? |
| 03:52.44 | liable | holycow: i have made a raid with the installer, worked fine |
| 03:52.51 | andax | danieldg, thanks |
| 03:52.55 | danieldg | probably not earth-shattering |
| 03:53.08 | liable | [GNU]Order: is that package the one thats supposed have the binary? |
| 03:53.16 | danieldg | you can always get that info from /proc/mounts though... and you can't edit htat |
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| 03:53.51 | enyawix | is sdl supported? |
| 03:54.09 | enyawix | i can not find deb for it |
| 03:54.10 | holycow | liable, it just worked fine for me too ... i don't get it. i manually partitioned and can't install grub. i let autopartitioner create a very similar partition size and it installs grub |
| 03:54.13 | holycow | weeeir |
| 03:54.23 | liable | yeah |
| 03:54.32 | [GNU]Order | I assume so. I assume that is the one that apt-get downloaded. |
| 03:55.03 | liable | holycow: i think i just had everything on one partition, so probably why i didnt see that problem |
| 03:55.23 | liable | holycow: ask in #debian-boot on oftc, they might be interested to hear about that |
| 03:55.56 | enyawix | liable "yeah" = sdl? |
| 03:56.34 | holycow | liable, danke for the comments, appreciate it. they are a bit quiet :) |
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| 03:57.05 | timthelion | is there a way to veiw the history on apt? |
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| 03:57.17 | liable | enyawix: dont know what it is :) |
| 03:57.21 | [GNU]Order | liable: I downloaded a new deb from a package site and I get the same error. |
| 03:57.21 | chiawiki | hi for linux system administration which book would you recommend? |
| 03:57.24 | timthelion | like what I have done in the last day |
| 03:57.42 | enyawix | :( |
| 03:57.43 | enyawix | k |
| 03:57.51 | timthelion | because, all of a sudden. non of my gtk apps work. |
| 03:58.04 | liable | [GNU]Order: i take it these are non official debs? as webmin as been dropped from debian, or are these sarge ones? |
| 03:58.05 | timthelion | every single one segfaults imidiatly |
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| 03:58.51 | [GNU]Order | liable: They must be one of the sarge ones. Did debian drop webmin and why? |
| 03:58.51 | liable | timthelion: apt no, if you have etch then dpkg has a log. use aptitude and it keeps a log too |
| 03:59.06 | timthelion | damn |
| 03:59.17 | liable | [GNU]Order: maintainer decided it was to crappy and dropped it :) |
| 03:59.19 | timthelion | what do I do now? |
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| 04:00.26 | user___ | anyone here can tell me how to transfer k3b from one os to another? |
| 04:00.43 | [GNU]Order | liable: here is where I just got it from: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fw%2Fwebmin%2Fwebmin-core_1.180-3_all.deb&md5sum=408d3290eeb7e9d35d3eb2c5c769b21b&arch=all&type=main |
| 04:01.33 | liable | [GNU]Order: have you got all the depends. looks like you might be missing a package which has that binary oin it |
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| 04:02.03 | d0uglas | trying to get my broadcom 4306 wifi adapter working.. gave up on bcm43xx, now trying ndiswrapper.. after m-a a-i ndiswrappering and disabling bcm43xx in modconf, anything else i gotta do? |
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| 04:02.58 | [GNU]Order | liable: I have no idea, I didn't install it initially. I thought that would be the only package, though. |
| 04:03.21 | [GNU]Order | liable: Doesn't apt-get automatically get all the dependencies? |
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| 04:03.27 | liable | [GNU]Order: looks like the webmin package has that binary |
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| 04:03.57 | liable | [GNU]Order: yeah it does, i thought you were installing it with dpkg as you said you got it from p.d.o |
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| 04:04.16 | [GNU]Order | liable: Yea, that file is listed but I dont think it's in the actual file downloaded. |
| 04:04.22 | bsdirl | excuse me folks, but I'm on damnsmall and the woody repos were enabled by default. I switched that over to sarge because of package problems, would doing a dist-upgrade make damnsmall like sarge jr.? |
| 04:04.34 | [GNU]Order | liable: I tried both ways. |
| 04:04.35 | bsdirl | or at least more debian-like than damnsmall? |
| 04:05.22 | liable | bsdirl: it will just update whatever packages it can, it will still be dsl |
| 04:06.06 | bsdirl | what I meant was, will it make it easier to use sarge packages as compared to being wholly reliant on woody pkgs? |
| 04:06.21 | liable | [GNU]Order: if you are using sarge, and using apt, then i am surprised that you are getting that bug |
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| 04:06.24 | bsdirl | and bigger than the whole 'damnsmall wants to be debian' default. |
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| 04:07.11 | liable | bsdirl: we dont know. we dont use dsl :) |
| 04:07.13 | bsdirl | the only reason I'm not on sarge is I have 32mb of ram on this machine lol |
| 04:07.24 | bsdirl | :[ |
| 04:07.27 | liable | sarge will run on 32M |
| 04:07.51 | liable | wont be zippy, but it will run |
| 04:07.52 | bsdirl | hmm |
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| 04:08.04 | bsdirl | well, dsl is zippy atm just wondering. |
| 04:08.06 | liable | just use a lightweight wm |
| 04:08.25 | bsdirl | oh I plan on it :D |
| 04:09.00 | bsdirl | im gonna think some more before I come back and harass you all |
| 04:09.04 | bsdirl | have fun and ty :D |
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| 04:11.14 | [GNU]Order | liable: It is sarge. is there a way to force an install or remove and get it back to a sane state? |
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| 04:11.52 | liable | [GNU]Order: install the webmin package with dpkg. then try webmin-core |
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| 04:12.42 | [GNU]Order | liable: dpkg gives the same error. |
| 04:13.09 | liable | [GNU]Order: did you install the 'webmin' package first? |
| 04:13.22 | liable | [GNU]Order: thats the deb that should have 'update-webmin' in it |
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| 04:14.11 | [GNU]Order | I think webmin-core is the webmin package. it does have update-webmin in it. I checked. |
| 04:14.16 | PumpkinPie | You know all the stuff you see when debian boots up? how can I get a copy? |
| 04:14.32 | liable | PumpkinPie: /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 04:14.58 | wols_ | [GNU]Order: how did you install webmin_core without webmin? |
| 04:15.06 | liable | [GNU]Order: apt-file looks to me like its in the webmin package, but oh well. dunno |
| 04:15.17 | wols_ | and no, webmin-core does NOT have update-webmin: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=update-webmin&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 04:15.22 | wols_ | liable: it is |
| 04:15.23 | PumpkinPie | liable: I enable it then what ? |
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| 04:15.32 | liable | PumpkinPie: reboot :) |
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| 04:15.36 | wols_ | !tell PumpkinPie about bootlogd |
| 04:16.03 | PumpkinPie | liable: but where is the log? |
| 04:16.14 | liable | PumpkinPie: /var/log where they all are |
| 04:16.14 | wols_ | read what dpkg just told you |
| 04:16.26 | PumpkinPie | oh yeah |
| 04:16.34 | PumpkinPie | wols_: didn't think it said but it does |
| 04:16.37 | [GNU]Order | liable: usr/sbin/update-webmin from http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=webmin&version=stable&arch=all |
| 04:17.32 | wols_ | [GNU]Order: how did you install webmin-core? |
| 04:17.43 | wols_ | Guerin: it has webmin as its dependency |
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| 04:18.30 | liable | [GNU]Order: um, that says webmin, not webmin-core... have you even tried what i suggested? |
| 04:18.56 | [GNU]Order | wols_: I didn't install it the first time. It was working though. This started recently. I tried to apt-get install and remove webmin and webmin-core. the only deb I found was webmin-core. |
| 04:19.03 | d0uglas | is webmin underrated? |
| 04:19.03 | wols_ | liable: he somehow forced the install of webmin-core without webmin. he fucked it up |
| 04:19.15 | [GNU]Order | liable: No, it's from webmin-core. |
| 04:19.21 | wols_ | [GNU]Order: you CANNOT install webmin-core without webmin |
| 04:19.24 | wols_ | [GNU]Order: no it's NO |
| 04:19.26 | wols_ | NOT |
| 04:19.27 | liable | wols_: yeah, i am starting to lose patience |
| 04:19.40 | wols_ | d0uglas: webmin is shit. pure shit. don't use it |
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| 04:20.03 | liable | d0uglas: its also no longer supported, wont be in etch |
| 04:20.03 | wols_ | [GNU]Order: so what did you do? |
| 04:20.10 | [GNU]Order | wols_: You are right, that was from webmin but I think they are the same. http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/webmin-core |
| 04:20.22 | d0uglas | next thing you're going to tell me is that phpmyadmin isn't totally secure |
| 04:20.38 | wols_ | you think wrong. webmin-core has webmin as a needed dependency. so how did you end up with webmin-core without webmin? |
| 04:21.29 | [GNU]Order | wols_: I have no idea but if you click on the list of files for webmin-core, you see the update-webmin. |
| 04:21.32 | wols_ | [GNU]Order: either you answer us this or you should maybe fix your own mess on your own |
| 04:22.43 | wols_ | [GNU]Order: no you don't. all you see are files in /etc and /usr/share. nowhere else |
| 04:22.49 | [GNU]Order | wols_: oh crap, you're right. it isn't in webmin-core on the list. it is however in the webmin-core I downloaded. |
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| 04:22.59 | wols_ | [GNU]Order: no it is not |
| 04:23.17 | wols_ | [GNU]Order: unless you downloaded it from somewhere else than debian |
| 04:23.35 | [GNU]Order | wols_: Answer what? I already told you I was not the one who installed webmin so I dont know how webmin-core was isntalled without webmin. |
| 04:23.38 | wols_ | what version of webmin_core do YOU run |
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| 04:24.23 | wols_ | as liable told you: install webmin (with dpkg), then uninstall the whole crap |
| 04:25.29 | [GNU]Order | wols_: I just started getting the error and decided to look into it. |
| 04:25.30 | [GNU]Order | how do you list files in a .deb? |
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| 04:26.59 | d0uglas | trying to get my broadcom wifi adapter (bcm4306) going with ndiswrapper.. disabled bcm43xx, then i did m-a a-i ndiswrapper, and everything seemed to go okay.. but no dice on the wifi. What am i not doing? |
| 04:27.10 | nosoapdotorg | can someone give me a website that reads your motherboard and all your hardware |
| 04:27.11 | nosoapdotorg | ? |
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| 04:27.22 | nosoapdotorg | i need to see if some of my new installs are registering... |
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| 04:28.16 | [GNU]Order | wols_: I'm starting to get the picture. There was a webmin deb in the root directory. I think the other admin was getting webmin from somewhere else. |
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| 04:30.46 | wols_ | [GNU]Order: man dpkg |
| 04:30.50 | wols_ | dpkg -L iirc |
| 04:30.51 | dpkg | ii iirc 3.1-11.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 04:32.15 | rick_oberge | hello |
| 04:32.30 | rick_oberge | i'm a fresh man |
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| 04:34.32 | ryty | I'm having a problem with GRUB. It's missing files. |
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| 04:35.03 | cydork | ryty, like what files? |
| 04:35.18 | ryty | cydork: don't know, that's the problem :-\ |
| 04:35.43 | cydork | ryty, can you paste the error msg in a paster |
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| 04:35.44 | cydork | !paster |
| 04:35.45 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 04:36.09 | [GNU]Order | wols_: ok, I think I've got it fixed. webmin-1.290 was what was installed by force and it doesn't have update-webmin. I dont know where he got it from but I'm going to remove it all for now and talk to him in the morning about it. |
| 04:36.11 | ryty | cydork: well, the message comes when booting. Basically, it spits out an error 15. |
| 04:37.08 | ryty | cydork: if necessary, I can copy down the exact contents and come back and give them |
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| 04:38.38 | g333k | how can I know whats the command that evince uses when send a document to print? |
| 04:38.43 | zam | i need to kompill nvidia driver but it sayed i have to install the kernel source now i did install it . and it say that this kernel is not configured and i have to configour it ? |
| 04:38.58 | cydork | ryty, did you reinstall anything? check files in /boot/grub |
| 04:39.48 | ryty | cydork: no. |
| 04:40.22 | cydork | ryty, do you see any files in /boot/grub? try with some live cd |
| 04:40.49 | ryty | give me a minute, I can check it out with rfstool |
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| 04:41.09 | [GNU]Order | liable: wols_: thanks, that did the trick. |
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| 04:45.49 | herbi | hi guys |
| 04:45.55 | herbi | if i am using rsync to sync the contents of one directory to another |
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| 04:46.10 | herbi | i type rsync -Pvr /foo/bar . |
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| 04:46.32 | herbi | what if i want it to only update files that arent present/modified since the last write? |
| 04:47.02 | jariep1_ | how can I create a different boot cd for each installed OS instead of using a boot manager like GRUB? |
| 04:47.47 | herbi | oh -u thanks lol |
| 04:49.13 | ryty | well that was a waste of time |
| 04:49.19 | ryty | let me just download knoppix |
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| 04:56.24 | bonez39 | how might one take a list with each entry, email address in this case on a separate line, and instead make them all on one line, delimited with a comma? |
| 04:57.43 | sparr | i know theres a trivial way to do it with sed |
| 04:57.47 | sparr | but i dont know how |
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| 05:01.42 | bonez39 | thanks, sparr..... |
| 05:01.51 | bonez39 | sparr, are you german, btw? |
| 05:02.06 | sparr | no |
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| 05:12.12 | zam | how can i compill the kernel in fast way ? |
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| 05:25.29 | Azar | why would an update/upgrade in sarge want to remove 62.8MB worth of packages, xfree86 included? |
| 05:26.17 | Azar | devious apt? |
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| 05:29.51 | Azar | maybe aptitude needs an upgrade? |
| 05:30.16 | Dateline_NBC | hello all, 13/m/georgia here... any older guys interested in coming over to my place and showing me how to install debian experimental packages? |
| 05:30.32 | sparr | rofl |
| 05:30.52 | Azar | Dateline_NBC: condoms included? |
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| 05:31.21 | d0uglas | gonna end that one on a high note... showmanship. |
| 05:31.48 | Azar | get woody, then upgrade to sarge then upgrade to etch |
| 05:33.40 | d0uglas | what's the easiest way to roll back a dist-upgrade to experimental? preferably something that has a -y option so i don't have to keep telling it yes over and over... |
| 05:34.18 | Azar | Reading task descriptions... Done The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: .... I wonder where from aptitude got that devious task |
| 05:34.39 | Azar | there is no roll back, reinstall |
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| 05:36.28 | Azar | well there is allways a tomorrow |
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| 05:46.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:46.08 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 05:49.16 | A310 | is the only way to get the newest kernel with debian is to use the unstable branch? |
| 05:50.22 | dondelelcaro | A310: no. |
| 05:51.28 | A310 | ok, will apt-get do it correctly, or is this going to be a self compile deal? |
| 05:51.47 | A310 | (aptitude will not show anything recent, even with a updated package list) |
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| 05:52.25 | dondelelcaro | A310: what you want to do is either pin an unstable source, and just install the kernel, or wget the kernel, and dpkg -i it. |
| 05:52.46 | dondelelcaro | A310: you can also compile it yourself if you want |
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| 05:54.15 | A310 | well, im jsut after the 2.6.13r and the pcmcia mdule for said |
| 05:55.19 | A310 | what would you sugest be the fasted method? this is just ot test out some features of the 2.6.13 kernel |
| 05:55.51 | Presently42 | Hello: I just ran hdparm -I /dev/hda. One of the results is this " * Advanced Power Management feature set". Does this imply my laptop prefers (is that the right word?) apm to acpi? Thanks. |
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| 05:58.16 | dondelelcaro | A310: uh... you're better off installing 2.6.17 or whatever is in etch nowadayys. |
| 05:58.48 | dondelelcaro | A310: visit packages.debian.org and you can download it from there |
| 05:59.05 | A310 | dondelelcaro, will do, ty |
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| 06:01.05 | A310 | what is the "best" one to try, testing or unstable? |
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| 06:02.28 | dondelelcaro | A310: use testing; it's less likely to eat you. |
| 06:03.43 | A310 | okies |
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| 06:34.17 | ryty | I'm having some trouble with grub, anyone caring to assist? |
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| 06:38.14 | Deepa | i got 2 static ips, and one router, and one computer with 2 network cards |
| 06:38.19 | Deepa | now my setup is like this... |
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| 06:38.41 | Deepa | router -> computer (192.168.0.4, 192.168.1.1) -> computer2 (192.168.1.30) |
| 06:38.57 | Deepa | how do i give the computer2 the static ip 80.244.90.245? |
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| 06:39.53 | epsilon | you can just give it, but you'l probably fail cause the IP would not be routet to there properly |
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| 06:40.29 | Deepa | thats kind of where im stuck =) |
| 06:40.45 | Deepa | i tried just giving the ip, and i tried using 192.168.0.1 as gateway |
| 06:40.48 | Deepa | but none of them worked |
| 06:41.05 | ryty | Deepa, NAT. |
| 06:41.25 | kreg | anyone got advise on getting rid of ms-exchange from a working company? |
| 06:41.37 | kreg | and replacing it with something linux |
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| 06:42.17 | ryty | Deepa, essentially, you make computer1 a router with NAT, and everything on the other side of it inside the NAT have a private IP (not 192.168.1.x). Then. make Computer2 your DMZ server, but have Computer block all non-wanted traffic |
| 06:42.40 | Deepa | but i got 2 static ip's |
| 06:42.43 | ryty | Deepa, just one possibility. |
| 06:42.49 | Deepa | 80.244.90.117 and .245 |
| 06:42.56 | Deepa | i want all computers except computer2 to have .117 |
| 06:43.15 | ryty | Deepa, okay, make a static NAT translation then |
| 06:43.21 | ryty | on your outside firewall |
| 06:43.28 | Deepa | 'outside firewall'? |
| 06:43.32 | ryty | yes |
| 06:43.38 | Deepa | time to b0rk with the router? |
| 06:44.02 | ryty | Deepa, well, I assume you have an external device blocking your internal devices |
| 06:44.14 | ryty | and I assume, by your addressing scheme, that it uses NAT |
| 06:44.16 | Deepa | uh im not sure, i got a normal router tho =) |
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| 06:44.32 | ryty | Deepa, may I msg? |
| 06:44.45 | Deepa | sure |
| 06:45.01 | jzu_ | fuck |
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| 06:45.27 | jzu_ | How the hell I get mrtg to monitor all IP-aliases on eth0 |
| 06:45.40 | jzu_ | now it monitors only eth0 |
| 06:45.44 | buu | Argh. What is the correct sources.list line for testing/unstable if my mirror is, say, deb http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/debian/ ? |
| 06:45.48 | ryty | jzu_, man mrtg? |
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| 06:45.50 | jzu_ | not eth0:* |
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| 06:46.00 | jzu_ | ryty: doesent help |
| 06:46.23 | jzu_ | if anyone knows, let me know |
| 06:46.23 | buu | Alternatively, how do I make netselect-apt realize I'm on testing/unstable instead of stable? |
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| 06:47.16 | ryty | jzu_, did you check the mrtg conf file? |
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| 06:47.59 | d0uglas | /msg dpkg mrtg |
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| 06:48.55 | d0uglas | fbcon: is it cool, or is it whack? |
| 06:49.24 | jzu_ | ryty: yeah |
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| 06:56.38 | tuv | buu, man sources.list |
| 06:57.19 | buu | tuv: I did.. |
| 06:57.49 | buu | None of the examples looked like what I recall seeing |
| 06:58.02 | jeanre | buu: whats up? |
| 06:58.16 | tuv | buu, what is the significance of 'what you recall seeing'? |
| 06:58.30 | buu | Hrm. I found backups. Yay! |
| 06:58.42 | ryty | okay, I need to generate a new device.map for grub, is there a utility that can do this? |
| 06:59.09 | buu | tuv: Hrm. stable -> testing -> unstable, right? |
| 06:59.46 | tuv | buu, wrt how recent/unstable software is, yes |
| 07:00.11 | jeanre | no no |
| 07:00.17 | tuv | buu, asking these questions means unstable is not a good idea for you |
| 07:00.20 | buu | Well, I set up my sources.list as 'unstable', then I just did an update/upgrade/dist-upgrade and it only installed one package. I should note that I haven't done an update/upgrade in at least a week, maybe more. |
| 07:00.22 | jeanre | unstable -> testing -> stable |
| 07:00.38 | buu | tuv: Heh, maybe, but this unstable really wasn't my fault. |
| 07:00.45 | ryty | but for versioning, it's opposite. |
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| 07:01.05 | dondelelcaro | buu: deb http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/debian/ unstable main |
| 07:01.08 | ryty | and by versioning, I mean abilities...etc |
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| 07:01.25 | dondelelcaro | buu: if you're not getting updates, it's possible that that mirror is out of date |
| 07:01.33 | dondelelcaro | (or alternatively, you don't have anything installed) |
| 07:01.37 | buu | dondelelcaro: I'll try a different mirror. I was using lyre.mit |
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| 07:02.20 | Avochelm | buu, don't you have to pin unstable? |
| 07:02.34 | dondelelcaro | Avochelm: you don't if you want to run unstable. |
| 07:05.06 | buu | dondelelcaro: Hrm. Failed to fetch http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 07:05.11 | Avochelm | dondelelcaro, i was thinking along the lines of pinning to disregard version numbers. disregard me - i am perpetually drunk |
| 07:05.16 | buu | dondelelcaro: Using your .tds. line above. |
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| 07:05.41 | zapalotta | hello |
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| 07:05.55 | ryty | can someone give me a sample device.map? |
| 07:06.03 | ryty | please. |
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| 07:06.32 | zapalotta | apt-get (from an installed, debian-type knoppix) tells me, that it doesn't have a candidate for wine and that libwine replaces wine |
| 07:06.47 | zapalotta | but AFAICS libwine doesn't provide the executable(s) |
| 07:06.52 | zapalotta | anybody got a hint? |
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| 07:09.15 | craigevil | zapalotta try asking in #knoppix |
| 07:09.29 | craigevil | chances are it has to do with your sources.list |
| 07:10.07 | zapalotta | craigevil: ok, I'll try, thanks |
| 07:10.24 | dondelelcaro | buu: yeah, that's probably because that mirror is syncing or delayed. |
| 07:10.55 | buu | dondelelcaro: Hrm. |
| 07:11.03 | dondelelcaro | buu: try a different/better one |
| 07:11.19 | buu | dondelelcaro: Do you have one that'll actually work? |
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| 07:11.46 | dondelelcaro | buu: deb debian.usc.edu unstable main; does here. |
| 07:11.55 | buu | Ahah. |
| 07:11.57 | dondelelcaro | well, http://debain.usc.edu |
| 07:12.10 | buu | There we go. |
| 07:12.21 | buu | 176 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded. |
| 07:12.21 | buu | Need to get 163MB of archives. |
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| 07:12.52 | zam | i have a problime with xserver that i cant use mor than {640x480} ?any idea ?pleases help |
| 07:13.08 | tuv | buu, are you still upgrading to unstable? do you really need to do that? |
| 07:13.30 | tuv | zam, are you using the correct driver? |
| 07:13.45 | dondelelcaro | zam: you need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; and input the right parameters for your monitor. |
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| 07:13.52 | buu | tuv: I didn't realize you could upgrade unstable to unstable. Is this a new feature? |
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| 07:14.20 | tuv | buu, no.. this is another hint that you shouldn't be using unstable ;) |
| 07:14.24 | zam | dondelelcaro: i did that befor |
| 07:14.42 | zam | dondelelcaro: and it didnot help |
| 07:14.47 | buu | tuv: Oh. Why did you tell me I was upgrading unstable then? |
| 07:14.50 | tuv | dondelelcaro, does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg work now or does it still need the md5 trick |
| 07:14.51 | tuv | ? |
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| 07:15.32 | tuv | buu, i asked whether you are upgrading TO unstable |
| 07:16.07 | buu | tuv: Perhaps you should phrase it more clearly next time. |
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| 07:16.23 | tuv | buu, perhaps you should read more carefully |
| 07:16.40 | buu | Perhaps. |
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| 07:31.01 | Blackhold | hi there! |
| 07:31.09 | Deepa | evening |
| 07:31.18 | Blackhold | how're u? |
| 07:31.25 | Deepa | im fine thank you, and how are you? |
| 07:31.25 | dpkg | Deepa: you know how it is... |
| 07:31.36 | Deepa | dpkg: idd |
| 07:31.36 | Blackhold | a little bit stressed |
| 07:31.47 | Blackhold | but ok :) |
| 07:32.23 | Deepa | =) |
| 07:32.29 | Blackhold | hey guys, anytime have you worked or heared something about knowledge tree? |
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| 07:33.10 | faber3 | morning, good |
| 07:33.20 | Blackhold | morning |
| 07:33.50 | faber3 | does anyone know how i can disable certain modules from the php5 dist (in my case i need to disable bcmath and wddx) ? |
| 07:34.49 | Blackhold | faber3: go into php.ini and comment the lines |
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| 07:35.01 | faber3 | Blackhold: its not in there |
| 07:36.48 | Blackhold | faber3: looked in php.net website? |
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| 07:39.07 | dondelelcaro | faber3: you may have to rebuild it without those modules then |
| 07:39.19 | dondelelcaro | since iirc, they're built in |
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| 07:40.34 | dondelelcaro | faber3: try asking in #php though, someone there may no a way to disable modules in the php.ini |
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| 07:44.00 | |quoth | is there a binary apt package to get the ipw2200 wlan nic running? |
| 07:44.11 | Caelum_ | anyone know what happened in pcmcia stuff recently so that cardmgr is not started automatically? |
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| 07:44.19 | Baco | Art0131k göcmenler ayn0131 noktada bulu015fuyor sende gel sende üye ol yeni arkadasl0131klar yap0131n ve yeni ortam göcmenlerin ve genclerin tek bulu015fma noktas0131 www.gocmeniz.net |
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| 07:44.59 | Caelum_ | |quoth: ipw2200-source and module-assistant |
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| 07:46.39 | tuv | |quoth, you still need to get the firmware from ipw2200.sf.net |
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| 07:49.33 | |quoth | trying to compile it from source now |
| 07:49.34 | |quoth | but thanks |
| 07:50.30 | Baco | Art0131k göcmenler ayn0131 noktada bulu015fuyor sende gel sende üye ol yeni arkadasl0131klar yap0131n ve yeni ortam göcmenlerin ve genclerin tek bulu015fma noktas0131 www.gocmeniz.net |
| 07:50.31 | Baco | Art0131k göcmenler ayn0131 noktada bulu015fuyor sende gel sende üye ol yeni arkadasl0131klar yap0131n ve yeni ortam göcmenlerin ve genclerin tek bulu015fma noktas0131 www.gocmeniz.net |
| 07:50.33 | Baco | Art0131k göcmenler ayn0131 noktada bulu015fuyor sende gel sende üye ol yeni arkadasl0131klar yap0131n ve yeni ortam göcmenlerin ve genclerin tek bulu015fma noktas0131 www.gocmeniz.net |
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| 07:51.56 | Baco | Art0131k göcmenler ayn0131 noktada bulu015fuyor sende gel sende üye ol yeni arkadasl0131klar yap0131n ve yeni ortam göcmenlerin ve genclerin tek bulu015fma noktas0131 www.gocmeniz.net |
| 07:52.28 | |quoth | kick the baby |
| 07:53.19 | cydork | !ops Baco is spamming |
| 07:53.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: cydork complains about: Baco is spamming |
| 07:53.23 | Baco | Art0131k göcmenler ayn0131 noktada bulu015fuyor sende gel sende üye ol yeni arkadasl0131klar yap0131n ve yeni ortam göcmenlerin ve genclerin tek bulu015fma noktas0131 www.gocmeniz.net |
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| 07:53.43 | peterS | what the |
| 07:53.53 | cydork | peterS: thanks |
| 07:54.03 | cydork | !beer peterS |
| 07:54.40 | fireba11 | wth ? |
| 07:55.29 | fireba11 | "Dogfishhead 90min IPA" ?? |
| 07:55.58 | |quoth | blah, my firmware is there and still I get ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 |
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| 07:59.26 | Caelum_ | |quoth: did you put it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ ? |
| 08:05.57 | Caelum_ | |quoth: is it the right version for the module source you're using? |
| 08:05.57 | zam | how to upgread from testing to unstable ? and can i find xorg 7.1 in unstable ? |
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| 08:05.58 | cydork | zam: if you have to ask, you should not do that :) |
| 08:05.58 | Caelum_ | zam: change /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade # and yes 7.1 is in sid |
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| 08:05.59 | cydork | Caelum_: really people should not use unstable unless they know howto. |
| 08:05.59 | zam | cydork: will i did alot since last week but what is the unstable sourecess ? |
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| 08:05.59 | cydork | zam: why do you want to run unstable?? |
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| 08:06.01 | zam | cydork: i rely need to compill nvidia driver and install xgl and compozit and xorg 7.1 |
| 08:06.01 | zam | my xorg is 7.0.22 |
| 08:06.59 | cydork | zam: xgl is not there in debian. debian has aiglx |
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| 08:08.29 | zam | cydork: i rely dont know the defrent betwen them but i did see the xgl movi |
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| 08:09.09 | Zap-W | remote hardware acceleartion ? groovey |
| 08:09.21 | cydork | !tell zam -about aiglx |
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| 08:17.45 | litage | i'm about to do a dist-upgrade in etch and noticed that apt wants to remove alien. if i go through with this, how can i be sure that i'll be able to reinstall alien afterwards? |
| 08:18.24 | SlayerXP | liable: because debian would be broken if you couldn't |
| 08:18.56 | litage | SlayerXP: why would apt want to remove alien to perform a dist-upgrade though? |
| 08:19.32 | pelzi_ | because of dependencies. |
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| 08:19.59 | |quoth | Caelum latste version of the firmware was put in a path where the hotplug.agent goes looking for it and I built the module from the latest stable release of ipw2200 |
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| 08:20.31 | litage | is it possible to determine which package in the dist-upgrade requires alien's removal? |
| 08:20.54 | SlayerXP | litage: you have all the information you need to figure that out |
| 08:21.16 | foxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.26 | pelzi_ | use ssh |
| 08:23.03 | pelzi_ | ssh X11 forwarding Just Works. |
| 08:23.42 | foxy | pelzi_ how do I do that? |
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| 08:24.38 | pelzi_ | man ssh |
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| 08:27.43 | chemaja | foxy: xming + plink |
| 08:27.44 | imajes | hey... anyone familiar with the hfsplus packages? |
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| 08:28.11 | chemaja | foxy: you'll need to use putty and make a manual ssh connection first so that the putty family libs (or whatever) can accept the host key |
| 08:28.57 | faber3 | which linux-image-* should i use for "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+" ? |
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| 08:29.09 | superlime | amd64 smp |
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| 08:29.36 | faber3 | superlime: my debian system is 32bit, i think |
| 08:29.55 | superlime | then you shouldn't use the amd64 package |
| 08:29.56 | superlime | :) |
| 08:30.17 | superlime | I dunno, is there a amd-k8-i686 or something? |
| 08:30.42 | faber3 | only K7 |
| 08:30.48 | faber3 | do you think it will boot? |
| 08:30.52 | superlime | yeah |
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| 08:31.02 | superlime | the i386 generic'd prolly boot |
| 08:31.06 | superlime | just wouldn't be as optimal |
| 08:31.12 | pelzi_ | chemaja: if he uses cygwin he should use an ordinary ssh client, not putty, don't know if putty works at all |
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| 08:31.27 | chemaja | pelzi_: yea it does. |
| 08:31.58 | chemaja | pelzi_: not that i'm an X master (or an ssh master) |
| 08:32.34 | superlime | faber3: if you're running grub for your boot loader, you should be able to keep your current linux-image as a boot option |
| 08:32.44 | superlime | and if the new one doesn't boot, you could just boot back in to the old one |
| 08:32.50 | faber3 | superlime: problem is, the maschine is 600 km away from me |
| 08:32.53 | superlime | ah |
| 08:32.56 | superlime | yeah, that makes it harder |
| 08:32.57 | superlime | :) |
| 08:33.06 | superlime | which kernel are you using now? |
| 08:33.11 | superlime | i386 generic? |
| 08:33.12 | chemaja | needs ILO |
| 08:33.14 | foxy | chemaja, ok I have xming installed and a putty terminal ready, what do I do next? |
| 08:33.47 | chemaja | foxy: connect to your debian system's ssh server with the user account you want to run the xclients as |
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| 08:34.01 | imajes | sseriously; anyone here used the hfsplus stuff ?? |
| 08:34.01 | foxy | done |
| 08:34.06 | chemaja | foxy: ps. you'll also need plink.exe for later |
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| 08:34.42 | |quoth | http://rafb.net/paste/results/eo6sXe91.html anyone know why this firmware will not load? the ipw2000 module is the latest version as well as the firmware |
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| 08:35.04 | superlime | anyone awake have much experience with 3ware cards? |
| 08:35.12 | chemaja | foxy: did you also run through the xming config wizard thingy |
| 08:35.51 | foxy | no, not yet |
| 08:36.11 | chemaja | foxy: do it :) |
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| 08:37.41 | |quoth | nm, apparantly the oldest firmwares are on top of the list |
| 08:38.04 | chemaja | foxy: quick, i gotta go! :) |
| 08:38.20 | foxy | ok, run config, got plink, got ssh to debian box running |
| 08:38.51 | chemaja | foxy: cool, you're pretty much set. just run that little wizard, fill out the fields, point it to your plink, and you're done. |
| 08:39.08 | chemaja | foxy: there's a systray icon with a black X for each x server |
| 08:39.15 | chemaja | close any of these before doing the wiz |
| 08:40.29 | foxy | hm.., where do I point it to plink? |
| 08:40.48 | chemaja | foxy: the wizard. in the start menu. under xming. |
| 08:41.00 | foxy | ok, got it, thanks for your help |
| 08:41.05 | chemaja | foxy: there's an option to use plink |
| 08:41.14 | chemaja | foxy: cool. does it work now, your X session? |
| 08:42.18 | chemaja | foxy: ok gotta go; enjoy xming+plink :) |
| 08:42.23 | foxy | :) |
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| 08:45.53 | Elmchen | hi |
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| 08:49.14 | bkhl | The only thing I use the TUI version of aptitude for now is to list and purge uninstalled but non-purged packages. |
| 08:49.28 | bkhl | Is there some handy way to do that with CLI aptitude that I have looked over? |
| 08:50.19 | pelzi_ | dpkg --purge |
| 08:51.05 | bkhl | So like 'dpkg -a --purge'? |
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| 08:51.50 | bader_andreas | gtg CUNT |
| 08:51.57 | pelzi_ | hmm? |
| 08:51.59 | bkhl | pelzi: or how would I apply that to all uninstalled but purgable packages? |
| 08:52.19 | bader_andreas | pelzi_, see you next time |
| 08:52.28 | pelzi_ | I used grep, awk and xargs... |
| 08:52.32 | bkhl | OK. |
| 08:52.33 | pelzi_ | oh. |
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| 08:53.42 | pelzi_ | false && dpkg -l | grep '^rc' | awk '{print $2 } | xargs dpkg --purge |
| 08:53.46 | pelzi_ | no guarantee. |
| 08:53.53 | pelzi_ | it's from memory, etc. |
| 08:54.04 | pelzi_ | at least one ' missing, etc. |
| 08:54.12 | pelzi_ | but you get the idea |
| 08:54.20 | bkhl | Yeah. Thanks. |
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| 08:55.22 | cydork | or aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c') |
| 08:55.26 | cydork | bkhl: ^^ |
| 08:55.28 | bkhl | Oh. |
| 08:55.55 | bkhl | I thought there would be a trick like that... |
| 08:56.11 | tomhet | when calling urxvt, i cannot use umlauts of the selected keymap, followed by "the locale is not supported by Xlib, working without locale support" - does anybody know an answer? |
| 08:56.39 | bkhl | cydork: oh, that wasn't really finished |
| 08:57.07 | litage | running `aptitude hold python-central`asks if i want to remove a whole bunch of packages. why does it do this rather than just put the python-central on hold? |
| 08:57.12 | cydork | bkhl: huh? |
| 08:57.19 | tralala | How can I stop alt_l from acting as a temporary layout switch in X? |
| 08:57.30 | bkhl | cydork: "aptitude search '~c'" gives a list of lines like |
| 08:57.35 | bkhl | c libgnutls11 - GNU TLS library - runtime library |
| 08:58.09 | bkhl | So I still need to put a cut(1) or something in there. |
| 08:58.10 | cydork | bkhl: you are supposed to run --> aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c') |
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| 08:58.54 | bkhl | cydork: I did. |
| 08:59.23 | bkhl | cydork: and it also tries to remove packages like "The" and "runtime" |
| 09:00.31 | cydork | bkhl: can you paste it in a paster? |
| 09:00.33 | LAser | hallo ich mal ein blöde frage: wie schreibe ich im </etc/network/interfaces> um auf DHCP ? |
| 09:00.34 | cydork | !paster |
| 09:00.35 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 09:00.52 | LAser | oohh....sorry worng chat =) |
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| 09:02.13 | bkhl | cydork: http://paste.lisp.org/display/28187 |
| 09:03.19 | zam | can i use "apt-get build-dep" to bild all the dep that i need to compill nvidia driver beta ?and what shold i use for pkg name ? "nvidia-????" ? |
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| 09:05.02 | cydork | bkhl: which version of debian is this? |
| 09:05.16 | bkhl | cydork: etch |
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| 09:06.49 | bkhl | cydork: though now I notice I can do |
| 09:07.02 | bkhl | # aptitude purge '~c' |
| 09:09.23 | cydork | bkhl: heh :P |
| 09:10.01 | tralala | !purge |
| 09:10.02 | dpkg | purge is, like, to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c' |
| 09:10.19 | bkhl | Oops. |
| 09:10.59 | tralala | I've just fixed it following your comments, bkhl |
| 09:10.59 | bkhl | Ah. |
| 09:11.23 | tralala | I was initially thinking of adding | awk '{print $2}' but you seem to have found a better way |
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| 09:14.44 | tralala | !purge =~ s/complete/completely/ |
| 09:14.45 | dpkg | OK, tralala |
| 09:15.01 | bader_andreas | CUNT |
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| 09:16.02 | polarbear | hi guys how do i get -rwx------- perms ? |
| 09:16.14 | cydork | bader_andreas is on channels : #debian #ubuntu-de-treffpunkt #Chaostreffpunkt #gaygeeks-asl |
| 09:16.28 | cydork | notice the last channel :) |
| 09:16.29 | dondelelcaro | polarbear: chmod 0700 foo; |
| 09:16.29 | bkhl | polarbear: chmod 700 FILE |
| 09:16.36 | bader_andreas | cydork is on channels: #debian |
| 09:16.42 | dondelelcaro | bader_andreas: stop that, please. |
| 09:16.54 | dondelelcaro | cydork: likewise. |
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| 09:16.55 | bader_andreas | dondelelcaro, what? |
| 09:17.05 | bkhl | polarbear: or, more readable: |
| 09:17.10 | bkhl | chmod u=rwx,og= FILE |
| 09:17.10 | rosen37 | Please I wrote a script on my system , and I would like to add in in the start of the system? How to do , is it better to add it in the /etc/init.d or in the inittab with a respawn? and ow to do? |
| 09:17.18 | bader_andreas | CUNT = see you next time, dondelelcaro |
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| 09:17.36 | cydork | dondelelcaro: well that was his 3rd time :) |
| 09:17.58 | polarbear | bkhl, I want -rwx------ with it suid, i set it chmod 700 thats fine then i do chmod +s and it makes it rws-S----- ? |
| 09:18.22 | dondelelcaro | polarbear: that's because you've made it setgid without being +x. |
| 09:18.35 | dondelelcaro | polarbear: you wanted to do chmod u+s |
| 09:18.42 | polarbear | ah |
| 09:18.55 | dondelelcaro | polarbear: info coreutils 'File Permissions'; has the details |
| 09:19.11 | polarbear | hrm |
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| 09:19.27 | polarbear | thats still not right.. chmod 700 file then chmod u+s file makes it rws-------- |
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| 09:19.42 | bkhl | chmod u=rwxs,og= FILE, to do it from "scratch". |
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| 09:20.06 | dondelelcaro | polarbear: uh... what do you want it to be? |
| 09:20.24 | bkhl | polarbear: rws-------- is correct, if you want it to be SUID executable. |
| 09:20.32 | dondelelcaro | and moreover, why the hell do you want it to be setuid? |
| 09:20.37 | tralala | of course, without anybody else but the user being able to execute the file I don't see the point of having suid enabled. |
| 09:20.54 | polarbear | bkhl, I want it to be a suid executeable, executeable by the users that owns it ONLY. ?? |
| 09:21.07 | dondelelcaro | polarbear: that's what you've just done. |
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| 09:21.13 | cydork | polarbear: then you dont want suid |
| 09:21.17 | dondelelcaro | (as pointless as it is) |
| 09:21.21 | bkhl | polarbear: as tralala points out, though, that makes no sense. |
| 09:21.23 | polarbear | I want it suid root tho |
| 09:21.29 | polarbear | its a game |
| 09:21.30 | dondelelcaro | polarbear: uh... it doesn't work that way |
| 09:21.31 | bkhl | polarbear: then it has to be owned by root. |
| 09:21.33 | polarbear | not meant to make sense |
| 09:21.37 | dondelelcaro | polarbear: and no, you don't want the games setuid root |
| 09:21.42 | polarbear | damnit |
| 09:21.46 | polarbear | i know what i want.. |
| 09:21.56 | polarbear | i want it not suid root but suid to the next level |
| 09:21.58 | polarbear | either way |
| 09:21.59 | dondelelcaro | polarbear: games should be setgid games if they have to write to savefiles, and not setuid root. |
| 09:22.09 | polarbear | i need r+w+x for that users and suid to the group its in |
| 09:22.20 | polarbear | its not a game, game... |
| 09:22.21 | dondelelcaro | (and generally even that is a bad idea, because some games tend to be busted) |
| 09:22.23 | bkhl | Exactly. |
| 09:22.46 | dondelelcaro | although, the games group should only be able to read/write highscores files and the like |
| 09:22.58 | dondelelcaro | (and maybe bones files) |
| 09:23.05 | polarbear | LISTEN |
| 09:23.09 | polarbear | you are not listening |
| 09:23.10 | bkhl | polarbear: i.e. make sure game binaries are _not_ owned by the games group. |
| 09:23.27 | polarbear | I want the file executeable by the users that owns it ONLY. I also what the file suid (not to root but to the group).. |
| 09:23.36 | polarbear | it is nothing to do with games |
| 09:23.41 | bkhl | polarbear: that's what dondelelcaro is explaining. |
| 09:23.46 | dondelelcaro | polarbear: you can't make a file setuid to a group. They can be at most setgid. |
| 09:23.47 | tralala | polarbear: why don't you try rephrasing your problem. Try also to fit it in a single line. |
| 09:23.52 | bkhl | polarbear: the group name could just as well be 'fishstick' |
| 09:24.01 | polarbear | ffs |
| 09:24.03 | polarbear | forget it |
| 09:24.08 | bkhl | Sure thing. |
| 09:24.28 | rosen37 | Please I added : sc:2345:respawn//usr/local/bin/myscript and when I kill it int the process, it doesnt respanw? |
| 09:25.28 | dondelelcaro | rosen37: have you telinit q;? |
| 09:25.29 | tralala | rosen37: the line you've pasted has an error. |
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| 09:26.25 | dondelelcaro | (and also, in general running non-login processes from inittab is not a hot idea) |
| 09:27.21 | tralala | yep, I wonder what is the script doing that can't be done by cron or inetd |
| 09:27.35 | rosen37 | dondelelcaro: init q I did |
| 09:27.57 | dondelelcaro | rosen37: telinit q; right? |
| 09:27.59 | rosen37 | tralala: ahh may be, we cannot put all script? |
| 09:28.22 | tralala | dondelelcaro: it does |
| 09:28.42 | tralala | rosen37: eh? |
| 09:28.48 | rosen37 | telinit doent work |
| 09:29.10 | tralala | are you sure you're running debian? |
| 09:29.23 | rosen37 | tralala: my script is a ruby script that I lauch by ./script & |
| 09:29.26 | rosen37 | tralala: yes |
| 09:29.38 | Guerin | the & causes it to disconnect |
| 09:29.43 | tralala | and what is this script doing? |
| 09:29.58 | Guerin | so if you do that in inittab, it'll respawn continuously until init kills it |
| 09:30.00 | rosen37 | it is checking several machine (ping, ldap test...) |
| 09:30.16 | dondelelcaro | rosen37: so run it from crontab every minute or so |
| 09:30.21 | cydork | rosen37: best is to put it in cron |
| 09:30.31 | rosen37 | nono A SLEEP 60 is iexisting |
| 09:30.33 | dondelelcaro | (or however often it should be run) |
| 09:30.40 | rosen37 | it si laucnhed one time only |
| 09:30.42 | Guerin | sleep 60 is a stupid way of doing this |
| 09:30.56 | pelzi_ | cron already exists |
| 09:31.08 | tralala | rosen37: it's much better to use cron without sleep 60 than to use sleep 60 and init |
| 09:31.09 | pelzi_ | why reinvent it |
| 09:31.12 | dondelelcaro | pelzi_: no, the wheel must be reinvented |
| 09:31.20 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 09:31.37 | tralala | it usually gets reinvented kind of square, but... |
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| 09:31.51 | rosen37 | so It is may be better to add it in the /etc/init.d |
| 09:31.53 | Guerin | the only time I've had to use init for something like this is when I was setting up a reverse ssh tunnel to let me shell into a box at work behind a nat |
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| 09:31.58 | CyberTop | hi |
| 09:32.01 | Guerin | rosen37: no. cron. |
| 09:32.08 | Guerin | rosen37: not inittab, not init.d |
| 09:32.15 | tralala | rosen37: yes, it's better. It's best to use cron though. |
| 09:32.24 | pelzi_ | Guerin: I'd rather use @reboot and a shell wrapper for that |
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| 09:32.27 | rosen37 | okok |
| 09:32.42 | Guerin | pelzi_: the connection was flakey and droopped often, so I wanted respawnability |
| 09:32.46 | fasta | How can I bring the mailcap rules to a sensible state again? Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*" |
| 09:32.48 | rosen37 | I gonna see with the sysadmin |
| 09:32.51 | CyberTop | I have a problem with mount of usb pendriver in KDE no in gnome why??? help |
| 09:32.57 | pelzi_ | so? a shell wrapper can respawn. |
| 09:33.22 | fasta | CyberTop: presumably it will help when you post error messages |
| 09:33.22 | pelzi_ | while true; do ssh foo ; done |
| 09:33.46 | Guerin | pelzi_: but running it from inittab meant that if the machine was on, the connection was live |
| 09:33.48 | rosen37 | I cant do that in a cron because the script can receive sigusr to reload some file config.. |
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| 09:34.23 | Guerin | rosen37: running it periodically from cron will mean that any changes to the config will be picked up automatically |
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| 09:34.28 | Guerin | no sigusr required |
| 09:34.52 | pelzi_ | Guerin: well, a while 1 in @reboot does the same. if you trust init, you should also be able to trust sh. |
| 09:34.54 | tralala | rosen37: if it runs every minute any config changes will wait no longer that a minute to take effect |
| 09:35.00 | rosen37 | Guerin: yes but I dont want that ths script relaod config all the 60sec , juste when A sigusr is sent |
| 09:35.11 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 09:35.21 | Guerin | rosen37: whyever not? |
| 09:35.42 | CyberTop | help pleace |
| 09:35.43 | rosen37 | my script is checking several machine, and exception.. so the list is always the same not need to check it every time |
| 09:36.01 | rosen37 | just check it if modif is done |
| 09:36.02 | Guerin | !tell CyberTop about smart questions |
| 09:36.23 | Guerin | rosen37: but nothing is lost from checking it every time, and overall the solution is less complicated |
| 09:36.28 | tralala | rosen37: is this a high-load machine that cannot keep up with this script being launched every minute? |
| 09:36.32 | CyberTop | kde no mount usb pendriver, gnome si |
| 09:36.45 | Guerin | CyberTop: so use gnome |
| 09:36.50 | pelzi_ | rosen37: just remove the loop in the script and run a new one every few minutes |
| 09:36.56 | cydork | CyberTop: which is your native language? |
| 09:37.31 | CyberTop | Italian |
| 09:37.35 | cydork | !it |
| 09:37.35 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 09:37.43 | rosen37 | Guerin: yes but checking all time is not a ggod solution , this is querying an oracle db to retrieve the machine list... |
| 09:37.58 | pelzi_ | so? |
| 09:38.04 | pelzi_ | the list can not be that big |
| 09:38.09 | rosen37 | tralala: not for the moemnt , but we hope it become a processing server |
| 09:38.21 | pelzi_ | you know, databases are designed to be queried all the time |
| 09:38.38 | rosen37 | in other way , I want to learn how to add a script to the startup machine , and play witht he sigusr.. |
| 09:38.46 | rosen37 | not big? |
| 09:38.52 | rosen37 | wiat I chack |
| 09:39.16 | rosen37 | 278 machines |
| 09:39.27 | tralala | rosen37: okay, then you might want a daemon-like script run by init script. Just make sure it doesn't die. |
| 09:39.28 | pelzi_ | well, even pinging every machine in the list will take n times longer than getting the list. |
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| 09:39.40 | rosen37 | tralala: yes |
| 09:39.51 | tralala | rosen37: man update-rc.d |
| 09:39.59 | rosen37 | tralala: okok |
| 09:40.07 | pelzi_ | and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 09:40.19 | Guerin | rosen37: if your machine can't afford one database lookup per minute, you have bigger problems than you think |
| 09:40.57 | pelzi_ | just let him do it the way he wants (even though it sounds like optimization in the wrong place) |
| 09:41.13 | rosen37 | Guerin: yes it does but other thing are using the db so I prefer liek that |
| 09:42.10 | pelzi_ | well, 278 machines is small, no, teeny-weeny, in database terms |
| 09:42.12 | tralala | I guess you don't want to have every-minute cron processes on a high-load server |
| 09:42.31 | pelzi_ | well the better approach would be to not do it every minute |
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| 09:43.04 | tralala | or not to run it on a high-load server |
| 09:43.11 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 09:43.31 | pelzi_ | for network monitoring I'd dedicate an old, proven-reliable system just for that. |
| 09:43.39 | awais | I think the point he's making is that he can use signal handling to trigger a 'check' on demand.. as opposed to scheduled every minute or something. To me that sounds like a more efficient way to do it ..if he only needs to check on demand. It's good to always do the right thing. Even if you see no immediate advantage. |
| 09:44.01 | pelzi_ | that's one way to look at it. |
| 09:44.10 | pelzi_ | there's also the theory of premature optimization |
| 09:44.50 | pelzi_ | i.e. batter to hack, then optimize when you have real-world information about what can be optimized |
| 09:44.54 | pelzi_ | better... |
| 09:44.55 | tralala | awais: The way I understood it is that the checks are every minute and only the checklist is changed from time to time with a manual request |
| 09:45.48 | awais | tralala: right, in which case I'd say go with the cron job ... |
| 09:46.27 | Guerin | get a p2, have it do nothing but this. |
| 09:46.31 | tralala | but I agree with pelzi_ that network monitoring tests should have either a dedicated machine or at least not a high-load production server |
| 09:46.46 | pelzi_ | the difficulties of writing a daemon and an initscript vs the cron approach is a pretty obvious trade-off to me. |
| 09:47.08 | awais | pelzi_: True in some scenarios. But I always try to get it right the first time around, if I appropriate knowledge of the problem. |
| 09:47.15 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 09:47.38 | awais | pelzi_: depends on your progranming skills. For some there's no difference, or the difference is trivial... |
| 09:47.40 | tralala | Guerin: a p2?! You resource waister! |
| 09:47.53 | pelzi_ | but in this case, like i already said, the tests take much, much longer than getting the list. |
| 09:48.01 | Guerin | tralala: anything previous might be hard to boot from cd, and be a pain to install on ;) |
| 09:48.06 | pelzi_ | PPros are good boxes for stuff like that. |
| 09:48.24 | pelzi_ | they're not too ancient and reliable as hell. |
| 09:49.08 | awais | pelzi_: scheduling stuff like that also has its downsides. How long will the script take to run? 1 minute? 5 minutes? What if two instances overlap each other....etc. |
| 09:49.16 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 09:49.28 | pelzi_ | a lockfile helps a lot |
| 09:50.23 | tralala | cron is *easy* |
| 09:51.32 | tralala | and custom init scripts are easily forgotten when you do backups |
| 09:51.39 | pelzi_ | true. |
| 09:51.40 | awais | pelzi_: so you're adding complexity ...for no apparent gain vs the daemon approach in this instance... if I schedule for 5 minutes, the job finishes in 6, I miss a run by 4 minutes because of the lockfile. |
| 09:52.01 | pelzi_ | though the whole /etc can be backed up |
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| 09:52.26 | pelzi_ | awais: for the daemon you get reliability requirements. but mostly a matter of taste. |
| 09:56.07 | awais | pelzi_: The daemon needs to be just as reliable as the cron fired script - it needs to do its job. |
| 09:56.17 | pelzi_ | well, true. |
| 09:56.29 | pelzi_ | but with cron you can get away with memory leaks etc. |
| 09:56.35 | tralala | awais: not quite |
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| 09:57.03 | awais | tralala: I don't seee the difference. If you do, explain please. |
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| 09:57.22 | tralala | a daemon that you need to restart every two hours is no good at all |
| 09:57.39 | awais | tralala: and why would you need to do that? |
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| 09:58.27 | tx | hi all, how can i check the requests that my nfs server is receiving ,to see if it has enough threads or it needs more ? |
| 09:58.44 | tx | oh, and a good nfs howto .. |
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| 09:59.21 | awais | tx: nfsstat? |
| 10:00.14 | tx | awais: ok , what do i check ? |
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| 10:02.13 | awais | tx: theres no hard and fast rule here. PLay with the number of threads and see what it does for performance ....I'd tune nfs block rd/rw sizes as well. If your'e UDP, I'd also tune recieve buffer size etc. |
| 10:03.55 | tx | awais: aha .. i am into this because recently i am receiving lots of erros from sendmail .. something like (open timeout on /home/xxx) where /home is on nfs mount |
| 10:04.33 | pelzi_ | mail on nfs is a little, well, problematic. |
| 10:05.05 | Guerin | sorry |
| 10:05.07 | awais | pelzi_: not really... I run a multi million user setup on nfs |
| 10:05.10 | Guerin | I think you mistyped 'madness' |
| 10:05.18 | Guerin | man |
| 10:05.24 | Guerin | seriously? |
| 10:05.31 | awais | pelzi_: mail that is ... |
| 10:05.32 | Guerin | mboxen, or maildirs? |
| 10:05.36 | pelzi_ | with Maildir nfs is ok |
| 10:05.44 | pelzi_ | with mbox it is suicide |
| 10:05.44 | Guerin | the locking ... arrgh |
| 10:05.47 | awais | heh .. do ou need to ask? :) |
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| 10:05.55 | Guerin | the horror, the horror |
| 10:05.58 | tx | what in the world "overlapping requests" mean ? |
| 10:06.20 | awais | actually the locking shouldn't be too bad... |
| 10:06.45 | pelzi_ | if you have different nfs implementation it is hell |
| 10:06.49 | pelzi_ | +s |
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| 10:07.29 | awais | tx: nfs locking has improved quite a bit over the years.. so mbox should work decently..at least for a small set up.. |
| 10:08.07 | pelzi_ | why risk your mail |
| 10:08.29 | awais | tx: if you strace the sendmail process while its attempting to open the file...what do you see? |
| 10:08.47 | tx | awais: well, i should do that right now .. |
| 10:08.59 | pelzi_ | to me it sounds like it is trying to lock and fails |
| 10:09.09 | Guerin | awais: any special setup to make it not insane? |
| 10:09.21 | Guerin | awais: I had *massive* problems with sync and suchlike |
| 10:09.27 | tx | it just sais (open timeout on /home .. |
| 10:09.37 | pelzi_ | yes, so it timeouts |
| 10:09.45 | tx | and /home is my nfs mount |
| 10:09.50 | awais | Guerin: Lots of stuff. I'll own up..the backends are netapp filers :) |
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| 10:10.06 | tx | how do i trace the thing .. is it complicated ? |
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| 10:11.19 | tralala | awais: because it dies after a while due to acoding bug. Well, you only have to worry about this if you ever make mistakes when you code. |
| 10:11.32 | awais | Guerin: its a clustered setup, so no one backend is stressed beyond its capability... users are mapped to different server groups etc. Linux clients, netapp filer backends. |
| 10:11.44 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 10:12.08 | Guerin | mind you |
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| 10:12.19 | Guerin | multi-million user |
| 10:12.29 | Guerin | what, do you run the comcast mail servers or something? |
| 10:12.36 | tx | awais: ok, did cat /var/log/mail | grep "timeout" and i got this (lots) Oct 18 12:05:10 localhost sendmail[5742]: k9I94RAj005742: timeout waiting for input from [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] during server cmd read |
| 10:12.49 | Guerin | or zhongguo.cn |
| 10:13.01 | awais | tralala: sure, and you need to worry about the same sort of stuff while writing any code, including cron job scripts. The approach is sound, but if your'e implementation is flawed ....applies to everything |
| 10:13.05 | Guerin | !uuoc |
| 10:13.06 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
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| 10:13.36 | awais | Guerin: nopes I'm based in the UK.. |
| 10:14.04 | Guerin | awais: because that means a damn thing nowadays ;) |
| 10:14.28 | awais | heh |
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| 10:14.36 | tralala | awais: true, though you seem to forget that some bugs affecting a long running process simply won't appear if the process is not long running. |
| 10:14.36 | pelzi_ | useless use of cat has its good sides |
| 10:14.46 | cydork | pelzi_: like? |
| 10:15.00 | pelzi_ | easier to add things in the middle |
| 10:15.33 | cydork | pelzi_: huh?? |
| 10:15.35 | Guerin | when grepping logs and such I like tac file |grep |tac |
| 10:15.55 | Guerin | because it starts at the most recent, hopefully most relevant , results |
| 10:16.40 | cydork | Guerin: rgrep? |
| 10:16.51 | Guerin | cydork: recursive grep? what's the point there? |
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| 10:17.06 | cydork | Guerin: na nm |
| 10:17.07 | xsassdad | hey,, |
| 10:17.22 | xsassdad | i am in trouble with xorg, |
| 10:17.35 | Guerin | xsassdad: ask it to forgive you |
| 10:17.37 | tralala | xsassdad: many sid users are |
| 10:17.39 | ghenry | with the mail command on the cli, can you specify who it's from? |
| 10:17.52 | xsassdad | when i wrote startx |
| 10:17.56 | xsassdad | it says |
| 10:18.10 | xsassdad | ./etc/X11/X is not executable |
| 10:18.13 | tralala | ghenry: you can put a 'From: ' line in your message |
| 10:18.15 | Guerin | ghenry: -u[ser]? |
| 10:18.25 | xsassdad | xinit : connection refused errno 111 |
| 10:18.31 | ghenry | thanks tralala |
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| 10:18.35 | Guerin | xsassdad: sid? |
| 10:18.42 | xsassdad | xinit : No such process errno 3 |
| 10:18.45 | xsassdad | no it <is etch |
| 10:18.55 | tralala | ghenry: it has to be in the beginning to be considered as a header |
| 10:18.56 | Guerin | xsassdad: what did you install? |
| 10:19.36 | ghenry | thanks |
| 10:20.47 | cydork | Guerin: i have this aliased as rgrep :P |
| 10:20.53 | cydork | Guerin: http://www.java2s.com/Code/Python/Utility/Reversegrepthroughafileusefulforbiglogfiles.htm |
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| 10:21.38 | Guerin | cydork: just typing that url is more work than tac | grep |
| 10:21.55 | Guerin | let alone the damn script |
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| 10:22.13 | pelzi_ | perg, not rgrep |
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| 10:22.42 | Guerin | so stupid |
| 10:22.48 | pelzi_ | true. |
| 10:22.48 | Guerin | rgrep is already something! |
| 10:22.50 | awais | tralala: I'm not forgetting that. There may be increased complexity, but then again there may be increased complexity going down the cron job route when you're looking at multiple interdependent tasks, or timing - such as not knowing whether the script will finish in time etc. All I'm saying is that using daemons does not neccesarily increase complexity and that all the issues you are raising are core reliablity issues you would not have if the |
| 10:22.50 | awais | implementation were correct. Also writing daemons is not a big deal, if you have some programming skills... |
| 10:22.58 | cornernote | hello, i'm a XP user and wanting to checkout the XGL stuff... i know enough linux to get by, and debian is my linux os of choice |
| 10:23.12 | Guerin | this would rely on /usr/local being in PATH before/usr |
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| 10:23.19 | tomhet | cornernote: so what d'you want to know? |
| 10:23.25 | cornernote | i have a quick question, if i get the netinstaller, will it work with my netgeat wireless network card ? |
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| 10:23.34 | cornernote | *netgear |
| 10:23.45 | tomhet | cornernote: likely not |
| 10:23.47 | cornernote | cos its the only network connection i have to my computer |
| 10:23.53 | Guerin | hmph |
| 10:24.01 | cornernote | ok.. so best to get the dvd download then i guess |
| 10:24.04 | pelzi_ | wireless won't work. |
| 10:24.04 | Guerin | cornernote: get an ethernet card |
| 10:24.14 | Guerin | wireless is still too immature |
| 10:24.20 | pelzi_ | get the drivers and a wired card to be sure |
| 10:24.24 | cornernote | Guerin: i have one, the problem is there is nothing to plug into it |
| 10:24.30 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 10:24.52 | Guerin | you have internet which can't be connected to via ethernet? |
| 10:25.02 | pelzi_ | community wlan, etc |
| 10:25.05 | MvG | I'm new to Debian. Is there a chance of running (at least mostly) sarge and using NFSv4 and mod_auth_kerb at the same time? backports.org has nfs-common for NFSv4, but then mod_auth_kerb conflicts. |
| 10:25.06 | tralala | awais: I have to disagree. I think that daemons have higher reliability requirements (and complexity) than cron tasks. But let's drop it already because we are way off-topic. |
| 10:25.07 | cornernote | we have 2 small kids so running cables around the house is not an option |
| 10:25.13 | cornernote | we rent so i cant make holes in the wall |
| 10:25.28 | pelzi_ | well eh |
| 10:25.36 | pelzi_ | it's just for the installation |
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| 10:25.36 | Guerin | MvG: you might have to build mod_auth_kerb from recent source |
| 10:25.42 | gagorder | hi |
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| 10:25.47 | Guerin | MvG: anything's possible, if you really need it, though |
| 10:26.01 | pelzi_ | tape it down if the kids are around. |
| 10:26.07 | Guerin | cornernote: two words: gaffer tape |
| 10:26.18 | cornernote | lol |
| 10:26.22 | Guerin | pelzi_: ↑5 |
| 10:26.25 | cornernote | for the wire or the kids ? |
| 10:26.26 | MvG | Guerin: So basically install krb from backports and then use debian source package? |
| 10:26.33 | pelzi_ | both. |
| 10:26.40 | Guerin | MvG: /msg dpkg simple sid backport for how to build |
| 10:26.40 | cydork | cornernote: that is your choice ;) |
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| 10:26.53 | Guerin | MvG: and hope that they all play nice ;) |
| 10:27.00 | cornernote | ok - i'll download the dvds |
| 10:27.08 | MvG | Guerin: OK, I'll have a look. Thanks |
| 10:27.19 | cornernote | :( |
| 10:27.30 | cornernote | means i cant test it until the weekend, but thats ok |
| 10:27.36 | cornernote | thanks guys |
| 10:27.42 | pelzi_ | telling which wireless card it is might help, anyway... |
| 10:27.54 | fourat | how to know wich MTU is running on my server ? sendmail ? postf ? exim ? ... |
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| 10:28.01 | pelzi_ | MTA |
| 10:28.07 | pelzi_ | and use ps aux. |
| 10:28.20 | cornernote | i'm sure i'll be back with more n00b XP user type questions like whats a console and wheres the start button |
| 10:28.21 | pelzi_ | or dpkg -l | grep MTA |
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| 10:30.39 | power | hello. is there anyway to install debian on a sparc,that seems the cdrom drive is broken |
| 10:31.04 | Guerin | power: netboot? |
| 10:31.04 | pelzi_ | isn't the cd drive ide? |
| 10:31.07 | Guerin | pelzi_: floppy? |
| 10:31.14 | pelzi_ | AFAIK newer sparcs can't boot off a floppy. |
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| 10:31.19 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:31.28 | power | no floppy, not sure about the cdrom, ide or broken |
| 10:31.38 | pelzi_ | so it might not be as easy as it should be (an usb stick should work, though) |
| 10:31.47 | Guerin | power: netboot would be your option, then, I suppose |
| 10:31.54 | pelzi_ | and the sparcs should also support PXE. |
| 10:31.54 | power | usb stick. ill try that one |
| 10:32.07 | cornernote | i am downloading the DVDs, but they say there ~370mb each... there just iso files so does something seem wrong ? |
| 10:32.07 | pelzi_ | needs a bit of setup but will work. |
| 10:32.23 | pelzi_ | try downloading with something else |
| 10:32.31 | Guerin | cornernote: the DVDs are more than that. And you only need one. |
| 10:32.32 | pelzi_ | and do you use win for downloading? |
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| 10:32.42 | cornernote | i am downloading from here: |
| 10:32.43 | cornernote | http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 10:32.52 | pelzi_ | with what os and what program |
| 10:32.54 | liable | !rube goldburg install |
| 10:32.56 | cornernote | cos its free bandwidth... i'll try another mirror |
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| 10:33.03 | pelzi_ | the DVDs are so big many programs have bugs. |
| 10:33.09 | liable | !stupid bot |
| 10:33.09 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 10:33.12 | Guerin | cornernote: use something sane like wget |
| 10:33.17 | cornernote | i'm downloading with FF on XP |
| 10:33.33 | pelzi_ | AFAIK FF used to have bugs with big files |
| 10:33.43 | pelzi_ | and is your drive FAT32 or NTFS? |
| 10:33.48 | Guerin | yeah, I wouldn't trust a browser with a file that size |
| 10:33.50 | cornernote | ntfs |
| 10:33.59 | pelzi_ | FAT32 has a 2 gigabyte file size limit, so it would bomb anyway, so you need ntfs |
| 10:34.04 | cornernote | ok - i'll let em go then... see what happens tomorrow |
| 10:34.11 | pelzi_ | try wget or something else. |
| 10:34.16 | liable | ntfs doesnt have a file size limit? |
| 10:34.21 | Crysis | How can I install VLC ? |
| 10:34.22 | pelzi_ | well it is larger. |
| 10:34.30 | liable | windows comes with wget? |
| 10:34.32 | pelzi_ | everything has limits |
| 10:34.36 | liable | Crysis: with apt-get |
| 10:34.38 | pelzi_ | wget is available for windows |
| 10:34.39 | tralala | liable: it's goldb*e*rg :) |
| 10:34.44 | pelzi_ | use google to get it. |
| 10:34.54 | Crysis | liable yes but with wich line ? ihave one apt-cache search vlc but I dont know the good |
| 10:35.03 | Crysis | apt-get install libdvdcss2 wxvlc don't work |
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| 10:35.11 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 10:35.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 10:35.20 | liable | Crysis: um, just vlc doesnt work? |
| 10:35.39 | Crysis | liable that say packahe are old |
| 10:35.45 | pelzi_ | apt-get update |
| 10:35.54 | cydork | pelzi_: fat32 has 4gb limit not 2 |
| 10:36.00 | Crysis | an libdvdcss2 isnt in |
| 10:36.00 | liable | no |
| 10:36.06 | pelzi_ | cydork: ok, but still too small for a big DVD |
| 10:36.06 | Crysis | pelzi_ I did update |
| 10:36.09 | power | sparc doesnt support usb mass storage,before the OS installed |
| 10:36.10 | liable | fat 32 is 2 |
| 10:36.20 | pelzi_ | cydork: I'd rather not remember anything about that FS |
| 10:36.33 | pelzi_ | power: use PXE (network boot) |
| 10:36.44 | tomhet | fat32 > 4gb limit |
| 10:36.58 | pelzi_ | well DVDs and fat32 = bomb |
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| 10:37.08 | power | yeah i cant see any other solution except net or replacing cdrom device |
| 10:37.09 | tomhet | definitely |
| 10:37.14 | power | thanks |
| 10:37.14 | liable | more than 4gig? where do i download this magical version of fat32? |
| 10:37.25 | pelzi_ | the limit with fat32 is over 4gig but less than 4.7gig, actually |
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| 10:37.34 | fasta | !fat32 |
| 10:37.35 | dpkg | modprobe vfat ; mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /wherever |
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| 10:37.39 | pelzi_ | or then it is a rounding error. |
| 10:37.45 | _plouf_ | hi |
| 10:37.48 | pelzi_ | still, it is too small for a full DVD image |
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| 10:38.06 | Guerin | fat32 is still the win over ntfs |
| 10:38.10 | Crysis | Is it not recommanded to launch KDE as root and install anything with Konsole ? |
| 10:38.13 | fasta | It's 2^32 |
| 10:38.18 | Guerin | cornernote: man su |
| 10:38.20 | cydork | pelzi_: i remember something like 2^32 |
| 10:38.22 | Guerin | Crysis: man su |
| 10:38.27 | pelzi_ | fat sucks. |
| 10:38.32 | tomhet | Crysis: not at all, nonono |
| 10:38.36 | Guerin | Crysis: iirc, kde won't even let you ilog in as root |
| 10:38.37 | _plouf_ | is there an alternative way to update upstream source than uupdate |
| 10:38.40 | fasta | And 2^32 < Size(DVD) |
| 10:38.45 | Guerin | pelzi_: but it sucks less than ntfs |
| 10:38.50 | tralala | pelzi_: not if you excersize |
| 10:38.51 | pelzi_ | nope |
| 10:38.58 | Crysis | Guerin yes I know but I want to look my tutorial and install without logout ^^ |
| 10:39.04 | awais | 4 billon bytes |
| 10:39.10 | pelzi_ | I rather use NTFS on windows and a server to exchange data |
| 10:39.17 | cydork | pelzi_: it's good for pen drives ;) |
| 10:39.17 | Guerin | Crysis: so open a terminal and type 'su' |
| 10:39.21 | pelzi_ | fat32 is a pain, why make using windoze even more painful |
| 10:39.34 | Guerin | pelzi_: fuck that |
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| 10:39.38 | pelzi_ | cydork: well, that's not a good starting point for a good fs ;) |
| 10:39.39 | tralala | Guerin: when I have to use windows I'd rather take ntfs |
| 10:39.41 | tomhet | ntfs is also painful.. far more for linux users |
| 10:39.47 | pelzi_ | Guerin: my mother does. |
| 10:39.50 | Crysis | ok Guerin but I can launch KDE a root ^^ |
| 10:39.51 | liable | the point is, why make linux integration a pain |
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| 10:39.55 | Guerin | pelzi_: mine uses debian ;) |
| 10:39.56 | eggleston | can anyone suggest a reason my scanner would show up in xsane as root but not as normal user? |
| 10:40.05 | Guerin | Crysis: don't |
| 10:40.09 | pelzi_ | my mother wouldn't |
| 10:40.11 | Crysis | ok Guerin |
| 10:40.15 | Guerin | eggleston: because you're not in the right group? |
| 10:40.18 | pelzi_ | she'd complain and complain and complain. |
| 10:40.35 | pelzi_ | besides, FAT32 is a pain. even rsync has problems on it. |
| 10:40.42 | Guerin | my mum likes debian |
| 10:40.43 | eggleston | Guerin, i am in the 'scanner' group, is that that the only required one? |
| 10:40.51 | pelzi_ | my mother is married to MS word |
| 10:40.51 | gagorder | is kde 4 is already in beta ? |
| 10:40.56 | liable | pelzi_: your mother actually does something other than web browsing and email? |
| 10:40.59 | tomhet | i'd ask mysqlf my ntfs integration is that hard.. ntfs is approx 23879874 years old by now |
| 10:41.01 | pelzi_ | she's a translator |
| 10:41.07 | cahoot | eggleston, id - says so too? |
| 10:41.09 | pelzi_ | stuck with a gigantic MS word macro :( |
| 10:41.16 | Guerin | she has firefox and evolution and openoffice and xsane and cups, and I'm wotrking on teaching hern to play music and such - all is well |
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| 10:41.21 | Crysis_ | re |
| 10:41.24 | Guerin | pelzi_: oh, god. |
| 10:41.29 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 10:41.31 | pelzi_ | pita. |
| 10:41.32 | Guerin | yeah, I can see that being an issue. |
| 10:41.42 | Crysis | Ok so good Xchat works |
| 10:42.10 | liable | pelzi_: you win the prize for ligitmate pita points for converting mom to linux :) |
| 10:42.18 | Guerin | eggleston: i don't know, haven't set up a scanner in about a year. |
| 10:42.20 | eggleston | cahoot, id says i'm in saned and scanner |
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| 10:42.31 | pelzi_ | I have been slowly converting her to openoffice... already succeeded with firefox and thunderbird |
| 10:42.43 | pelzi_ | but, well. msoffice > openoffice. |
| 10:42.52 | pelzi_ | well done OO, even more bloated than MS |
| 10:42.54 | Guerin | pelzi_: your next job is to rewrite her macro in sed |
| 10:43.01 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 10:43.07 | Guerin | well, more bloated, I dunno |
| 10:43.11 | pelzi_ | but it's a translation memory thingy. |
| 10:43.15 | pelzi_ | at least office 2k |
| 10:43.17 | Guerin | but it's certainly no better |
| 10:43.24 | liable | oo is teh suck though.. |
| 10:43.28 | liable | no doubt |
| 10:43.31 | pelzi_ | so, it's deeply integrated to MS word |
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| 10:43.42 | pelzi_ | and I have very little knowledge about it in the end... |
| 10:43.49 | tomhet | i don't see a reson for using an office at all, IMHO |
| 10:43.55 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 10:43.59 | pelzi_ | I've told her that too |
| 10:44.01 | eggleston | anyone know a reason why i wouldn't be able to use the scanner as normal user but i am as root? |
| 10:44.05 | Guerin | tomhet: easier to pick up in a hurry than TeX |
| 10:44.07 | pelzi_ | she's a translator. why use word? |
| 10:44.22 | Crysis | What can I use for use MSN messenger ? |
| 10:44.24 | pelzi_ | a text editor would be the right way. |
| 10:44.25 | pelzi_ | gaim |
| 10:44.26 | Guerin | eggleston: if anyone did, they'd have answered |
| 10:44.28 | Crysis | ok :) |
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| 10:44.35 | tomhet | Guerin: hmm i dont think so.. it you're in hurry, use plaintext+vi, why not? |
| 10:44.42 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 10:44.48 | Guerin | tomhet: because universities FREAK if you do |
| 10:44.55 | pelzi_ | better no formatting than the awful MS word formatting |
| 10:44.59 | Guerin | tomhet: and vi is evil ;) |
| 10:45.02 | liable | Crysis: bitlebee can do msn in your irc client |
| 10:45.13 | Crysis | yes but I think gaim is better |
| 10:45.18 | liable | oh yeah, emacs isnt evil at all... |
| 10:45.18 | teledyn | Guerin: your mom uses debian? cool. i got my dad using it also |
| 10:45.18 | pelzi_ | liable: does it actually work these days |
| 10:45.28 | Guerin | teledyn: easy? |
| 10:45.28 | tomhet | Guerin: i'm on university, they don't freak here at all :) and vi is not only evil, but a genius :) |
| 10:45.33 | liable | pelzi_: last time i used it, yeah |
| 10:45.44 | pelzi_ | I might try getting my dad's new female friend to use debian. |
| 10:45.52 | teledyn | Guerin: yeah, he uses mozilla and kmail mostly. i did set up word under crossover office though |
| 10:45.53 | pelzi_ | she needs a lappy to browse the web, that's it |
| 10:46.12 | Guerin | tomhet: i'm doing MA next year, though, and damned if I'm writing 50,000 words plus an appendix in openoffice |
| 10:46.22 | Guerin | teledyn: wtf... |
| 10:46.24 | pelzi_ | try docbook or something |
| 10:46.34 | pelzi_ | easier to pick up than tex ;P |
| 10:46.35 | tomhet | Guerin: whaaaaaaaaaat? why tf are you wariting that in OO and not in latex? |
| 10:46.43 | Guerin | pelzi_: i know docbook very well, but its conversion to postscript/pdf is flakey |
| 10:46.47 | tomhet | Guerin: *writing |
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| 10:47.09 | Guerin | tomhet: that's the point: I'm *not* writing it in oo.o; I'm going to relearn TeX for it, to keep me sane |
| 10:47.37 | pelzi_ | Guerin: then convert it to something else and to ps ;) |
| 10:47.47 | tomhet | Guerin: Oh i see. well, Latex really isn't hard to use .. but most people think so |
| 10:47.49 | Guerin | pelzi_: because multiple layers of conversion don't hurt at all |
| 10:47.53 | tomhet | Guerin: probably pdflatex :) |
| 10:48.03 | liable | why the fuck do you even need to *learn* a style to write a fucking document? where did computing go wrong? |
| 10:48.04 | pelzi_ | Guerin: sarcasm... |
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| 10:48.11 | Guerin | tomhet: it just requires understanding some principles. I remember the principles, I just have forgotten the markup |
| 10:48.16 | pelzi_ | true. |
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| 10:48.28 | pelzi_ | WYSIWYG is evil, but most of the population does not get it. |
| 10:48.34 | Guerin | liable: it's not to write it - it's to save you pain when you have to publish it in 10 different formats later |
| 10:48.59 | pelzi_ | you see what you get, but not why you get it. |
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| 10:49.12 | tomhet | Guerin: if you have already understood the prinviples, you've gone 80-85 percent of the way |
| 10:49.18 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:49.24 | Guerin | I used to do quite a lot in tex |
| 10:49.28 | pelzi_ | I should learn latex. |
| 10:49.39 | pelzi_ | I just don't write anything so haven't needed to |
| 10:49.46 | Guerin | pelzi_: tug.org has a supremely good howto |
| 10:49.47 | liable | you'll get nerd karma if you do :) |
| 10:49.58 | pelzi_ | but it is too late when I'll need it. need to do it beforehand |
| 10:49.59 | tomhet | yep.. i only use latex or plain text, to be honest. it's a really good choice |
| 10:50.11 | pelzi_ | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:50.17 | cydork | liable: most of the research papers are written in latex |
| 10:50.48 | liable | cydork: yeah i know, but its one of those things thats just silly |
| 10:50.57 | pelzi_ | true. I think people who know about typesetting like latex |
| 10:51.34 | Guerin | if you understand that ALL the settings are ENTIRELY defined in the markup, then you're most of the way there |
| 10:51.39 | Guerin | in latex, I mean |
| 10:51.51 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 10:51.51 | tomhet | 100%ack |
| 10:52.04 | liable | its an extra thing you get scored on, even though it has absolutely fuck all to do with the subject your studying |
| 10:52.17 | Guerin | unlike html, where you can afford to use defaults and be lazy, in tex you just have to think of your document as a physical thing on paper and work from there |
| 10:52.40 | pelzi_ | writing a good paper is part of what you are studying. |
| 10:52.45 | cydork | liable: not actully it's great to write equations, references and indexing :P |
| 10:52.51 | tomhet | just have a few on technical books out there.. neraly all manuscripts are written in latex |
| 10:52.57 | pelzi_ | I wonder why people always nag when they learn something they actually need |
| 10:52.59 | tomhet | *a view .. omg my english |
| 10:53.43 | fasta | pelzi_: design error? |
| 10:53.46 | liable | allright, enough prostating before the LaTeX god |
| 10:53.50 | pelzi_ | probably |
| 10:54.26 | Guerin | pelzi_: http://tug.org/tex-archive/info/beginlatex/html/ is what I was talking about |
| 10:54.37 | cydork | liable: and images, footers, headers and much more :) |
| 10:54.41 | pelzi_ | Guerin: thanks, I'll write it down. |
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| 10:54.56 | Guerin | pelzi_: what .. with a pen? On paper?? |
| 10:55.02 | liable | talking about latex is almost as bad as penis waving about how old and shitty your servers hardware is, yet it still runs well.. :P |
| 10:55.09 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:55.11 | fasta | TeXMacs is an interesting idea for type setting. Unfortunately the implementation is rather unusable (for the things I do with LaTeX). |
| 10:55.14 | cydork | pelzi_: in which century are you :P |
| 10:55.14 | pelzi_ | Guerin: no ;) |
| 10:55.18 | Guerin | and how you still run your mailserver on hamm |
| 10:55.18 | tomhet | lool... |
| 10:55.29 | pelzi_ | Guerin: though I should print out the bookmarks |
| 10:55.48 | pelzi_ | I believe paper is the most secure way to store important data. |
| 10:56.15 | liable | pelzi_: more so than your noggin? |
| 10:56.18 | Maulkin | What an interesting concept... |
| 10:56.31 | tomhet | pelzi_: try to write a gpg encrypted sentence down on paper :) |
| 10:56.43 | pelzi_ | btw, old and shitty hardware is good at home, I'd have UPS and cooling problems |
| 10:56.51 | Guerin | fasta: i *love* auctex |
| 10:56.52 | pelzi_ | tomhet: print it and OCR it when you need it ;) |
| 10:57.20 | tomhet | pelzi_: hehe =) -thats- freakness |
| 10:57.21 | fasta | Guerin: yes, that's also what I use. |
| 10:57.37 | Guerin | I've tried vi and such |
| 10:57.39 | fasta | Guerin: I don't think it's "fantastic", though. |
| 10:57.39 | pelzi_ | actually, does *nix have good OCR? |
| 10:57.42 | Guerin | but emacs has the killer modes |
| 10:57.51 | fasta | Guerin: I tried the vim-latex mode later, but it is buggy. |
| 10:57.59 | Guerin | like nxml-mode, which is utterly unbeatable for any sort of ML |
| 10:57.59 | Xteven | hi, I'm aware of module-assistant in debian. But is there a way to compile a kernel module and also recompile iptables under debian ? a standard mechanism ? |
| 10:58.01 | pelzi_ | some ancient people still send paper to my mother, so I'd like to set up something to help her |
| 10:58.23 | fasta | pelzi_: you mean like from 500BC? |
| 10:58.24 | pelzi_ | currently she just types the text in. |
| 10:58.42 | pelzi_ | har har. |
| 10:58.43 | Guerin | pelzi_: your mother has a lot of time on her hands |
| 10:58.49 | pelzi_ | Guerin: she gets paid. |
| 10:59.02 | pelzi_ | Guerin: I'd love to type stuff in with her pay |
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| 10:59.15 | liable | Xteven: a source package yes, but debians kpkg doesnt really allow for individual module compiles :( |
| 10:59.19 | teledyn | are there any wikis that let you use latex? |
| 10:59.33 | Guerin | teledyn: wtf would be the point? |
| 10:59.42 | pelzi_ | teledyn: for math markup I think they do (they convert it to png though) |
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| 10:59.49 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:59.58 | Guerin | embedded images would be the only ane way |
| 11:00.08 | tomhet | teledyn: where are dozens, i suppose |
| 11:00.10 | teledyn | it would not be useful as a markup language? |
| 11:00.14 | pelzi_ | even wikipedia allows it afaik |
| 11:00.20 | pelzi_ | latex is not a markup language. |
| 11:00.28 | pelzi_ | it's something else |
| 11:00.37 | teledyn | oh |
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| 11:01.02 | liable | Xteven: but if you have a new version of whatever module, just compile it, and it replaces the kernel module |
| 11:01.16 | teledyn | i was looking at Figure 2.1: Sample document in that link you gave. it looks like similar types of markup you find in html but different syntax |
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| 11:01.42 | Guerin | well |
| 11:01.48 | teledyn | font, point size, itemized list, etc. |
| 11:01.50 | Guerin | it is a markup language in a strict sense |
| 11:01.58 | Guerin | but it's not a ML, like HTML or XML |
| 11:02.05 | liable | go to #latex ffs |
| 11:02.19 | pelzi_ | latex more like pdf for people |
| 11:02.37 | pelzi_ | with html the browser can improvise, with latex you control every pixel. |
| 11:02.40 | liable | hides |
| 11:02.42 | liable | too |
| 11:02.48 | pelzi_ | heck, just ignore it |
| 11:02.51 | teledyn | pelzi_: i see |
| 11:03.12 | liable | Guerin: its only cause i dont understand :P |
| 11:03.21 | teledyn | would it not be better then if latex were used universally in place of html? |
| 11:03.28 | pelzi_ | probably. |
| 11:03.43 | pelzi_ | HTML was never meant for the pixel-accurate things they make it do |
| 11:03.45 | Guerin | teledyn: no, because it's several orders of magnitude less forgiving of errors |
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| 11:03.54 | Guerin | and much more difficult to learn |
| 11:03.56 | pelzi_ | Guerin: no, that is a good thing |
| 11:04.06 | liob | Hi, |
| 11:04.06 | liob | how can i set the clock in the terminal? |
| 11:04.07 | Guerin | pelzi_: not in the context of web stuff, it ain't |
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| 11:04.16 | pelzi_ | broken HTML -> ambiguities in interpretations between browsers -> the current disaster |
| 11:04.20 | liable | liob: with 'date' |
| 11:04.23 | tomhet | liob: date -s |
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| 11:04.27 | liob | liable: thanks |
| 11:04.28 | pelzi_ | Guerin: XML does not allow a single parse error to prevent that |
| 11:04.34 | Guerin | pelzi_: i like being able to make a completely invalidable html doc and have it look roughly like I want it to |
| 11:04.36 | liob | tomhet: also thanks :) |
| 11:04.40 | teledyn | liob: rdate and hwclock are what i use |
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| 11:05.11 | teledyn | liob: first rdate to synchronize with external server, then hwclock to set hwclock from system time |
| 11:05.12 | liob | teledyn: tryd hwclock, but got an error: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 11:05.29 | liable | liob: thinkpad? |
| 11:05.29 | teledyn | liob: hwclock --systohc |
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| 11:05.36 | teledyn | liable: yes |
| 11:05.41 | pelzi_ | ooh |
| 11:05.45 | pelzi_ | good choice ;) |
| 11:05.49 | liable | teledyn: not you! :P |
| 11:06.03 | pelzi_ | thinkpad X22 <3 |
| 11:06.06 | liob | no, it's a dell computer |
| 11:06.09 | liable | teledyn: i have had problems with rtc with mine.. |
| 11:06.16 | teledyn | G41 2886-79U |
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| 11:06.41 | Crysis | How can I do for xchat stay open when I close the terminal ? |
| 11:06.41 | pelzi_ | (the X22 was free and small. what a deal, it's small enough to carry and no loss if I drop it) |
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| 11:07.28 | liable | Crysis: xchat & |
| 11:07.37 | Crysis | ok :) |
| 11:07.43 | Crysis | I thought it's xchat& |
| 11:07.46 | cahoot | Crysis, screen |
| 11:07.51 | tomhet | Crysis: it's the same |
| 11:07.55 | Crysis | screen ? |
| 11:07.58 | tomhet | Crysis: cmd& = cmd & |
| 11:08.05 | pelzi_ | isn't xchat an X application |
| 11:08.05 | Crysis | hmm so wuth xchat& that don't work |
| 11:08.15 | pelzi_ | start it from the menu |
| 11:08.20 | pelzi_ | or try nohup xchat |
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| 11:09.16 | Crysis | ok nohup xchat & works now :) |
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| 11:09.46 | Xteven | liable : there is module assistant :) it should work |
| 11:10.01 | Xteven | liable : but I don't know if it provides a mechanism to automatically recompile iptables aswell |
| 11:10.07 | liable | Xteven: yeah. |
| 11:10.21 | Xteven | liable : an extra iptables module for example, can require iptables to be recompiled aswell |
| 11:10.38 | Xteven | it would be nice if there was an automated debian way for the entire process |
| 11:10.39 | liable | Xteven: it doesnt, because there is no debian iptables-source package |
| 11:10.44 | liob | teledyn: thanks, rdate works fine :) |
| 11:10.48 | Xteven | liable : ah |
| 11:10.59 | liable | Xteven: just compile the source package you have |
| 11:11.05 | Xteven | liable : ok thx for the info :) |
| 11:11.15 | Assassin5 | can someone recomend me a good package for browsing snmp devices on a network> |
| 11:11.18 | liable | np |
| 11:11.18 | Xteven | liable : maybe it would be more productive if I asked the iptables maintainer nicely |
| 11:11.29 | liable | Xteven: maybe |
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| 11:13.02 | teledyn | Assassin5: nmap? |
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| 11:13.15 | pelzi_ | maybe an snmp client? |
| 11:13.28 | teledyn | Assassin5: and then snmpwalk or snmpget? |
| 11:14.14 | Falkom | Hi all, I am newbie. Do you know which program rotates syslog file, please? (I use Debian 3.1) |
| 11:14.31 | tomhet | "rotates"? |
| 11:14.43 | Falkom | yeah, I refer syslog.0 syslog.1.gz etc |
| 11:14.48 | liable | Falkom: whats the real problem? |
| 11:15.02 | liable | logrotate is the script/program |
| 11:15.29 | Falkom | My problem is, I need save 6 months mail.log and the, I research but I dont understand anything because |
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| 11:15.58 | Falkom | cron.weekly directory has a file with syslog configuration and it doesnt working or I think that |
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| 11:17.42 | liable | Falkom: sorry, but what you just said, didnt make any sense at all. :( |
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| 11:18.01 | Falkom | My English is bad |
| 11:18.08 | Falkom | I try explaim me |
| 11:18.16 | liable | yeah, i figured that |
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| 11:18.22 | Falkom | I need to save mail.log file with 6 months old |
| 11:18.28 | liable | Falkom: whats your native language? |
| 11:18.43 | Falkom | Spanish |
| 11:19.18 | liable | Falkom: try #debian-es |
| 11:19.22 | EdLin | Falkom: just gzip it and mv it to a name that is appropriate |
| 11:19.48 | Falkom | but the problema is liable they dont know |
| 11:20.00 | liable | ok |
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| 11:21.41 | cydork | Falkom: well crod.weekly files does the rotating job by using savelog. and it should work. |
| 11:21.50 | liable | Falkom: what do you want? to save all logs or ?? |
| 11:22.15 | liable | before they get rotated out? |
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| 11:22.47 | Assassin5 | pelzi_, yes, that's what I looking for. Can you recomend one? |
| 11:23.09 | pelzi_ | 2 were mentioned |
| 11:23.20 | pelzi_ | I can't remember the last time I used snmp |
| 11:23.23 | Falkom | I want to save mail.log for 6 months but currently it is rotating every day and saves only 7 files (it is a week) (I use Debian Sarge 3.1) |
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| 11:24.33 | Assassin5 | I really looking for a nice GUI front end SNMP client just so I can see all the SNMP devices available. |
| 11:24.49 | liable | Falkom: you'll need to write a script for that (i think, i dont know of anything that can do it) |
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| 11:25.39 | Falkom | using savelog? |
| 11:25.46 | vorsprung | Falkom, /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 11:26.00 | vorsprung | Falkom, RTFM for that and edit it |
| 11:26.54 | Crysis | how can i laucn xscreensaver ? |
| 11:27.25 | Crysis | launch* |
| 11:27.50 | Bushmills | Crysis: you write it to a cdrom and send it to NASA with the request to put on on board of the next mission |
| 11:27.59 | liable | by not moving the mouse? |
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| 11:28.16 | asadqsa | hey |
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| 11:28.32 | asadqsa | i am asking a quenstions |
| 11:28.36 | Crysis | Bushmills, really good joke |
| 11:28.36 | Falkom | does it affecte logrotate.conf or sysklogd in /etc7cron.weekly? |
| 11:28.48 | asadqsa | i wantto work xgl or aiglx on debian etch |
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| 11:29.05 | asadqsa | my video car intel 82852 82855 |
| 11:29.45 | asadqsa | what can i do |
| 11:29.54 | asadqsa | any suggest ? any links any how o |
| 11:29.56 | asadqsa | ? |
| 11:30.09 | teledyn | asadqsa: i don't think that's a debian question since aiglx isn't part of debian |
| 11:30.12 | liable | wait untill compiz is in etch? |
| 11:30.30 | liable | teledyn: it is actually :) |
| 11:30.40 | cydork | teledyn: it's there in sid atm |
| 11:30.44 | asadqsa | hmm |
| 11:30.51 | teledyn | ah i searched and didn't see it. i'm in sid... |
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| 11:31.07 | teledyn | apt-cache search aiglx <- nothing |
| 11:31.11 | asadqsa | xserver-xgl doesnt work on sdebian ? |
| 11:31.24 | cydork | teledyn: it comes with xorg |
| 11:31.24 | liable | teledyn: aiglx is just a function of xserver release |
| 11:31.42 | liable | asadqsa: not unless you compile it |
| 11:32.00 | asadqsa | hmm |
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| 11:32.08 | asadqsa | is there a way |
| 11:32.12 | liable | yes |
| 11:32.13 | asadqsa | liable, |
| 11:32.17 | liable | compile it |
| 11:32.19 | asadqsa | hmm |
| 11:32.21 | asadqsa | how |
| 11:32.23 | asadqsa | ? |
| 11:32.47 | asadqsa | i try to work since yesterday |
| 11:32.48 | Randag | I want to add a user to a group, but the "-G" option to usermod removes the user from all other groups he belongs to. In fedora core there is "-a" option that will ADD the user to that group and keep the others he belongs to intact. How do I do this in Debian? |
| 11:33.11 | liable | asadqsa: visit freedesktop.org and see the xgl page |
| 11:33.38 | Falkom | Qhe I type logrotate -v /etc/logrotate.conf, I don't see syslog file in its list of rotate files. |
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| 11:34.25 | liable | asadqsa: its not so hard, but it takes a bit of stuffing around with getting depends and stuff right. |
| 11:34.42 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom² |
| 11:35.07 | liable | thats a lot of poms.. |
| 11:35.25 | pelzi_ | Randag: adduser user group. from memory, no guarantee, read the man |
| 11:35.26 | liable | !lart anapivirtua |
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| 11:35.51 | Randag | I did read the man, but I cant find anything there :/ |
| 11:36.08 | teledyn | liable: is it just enabled by default, or do you have to add some option to xorg config? |
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| 11:36.29 | Randag | ah, adduser... hmm ok will check that |
| 11:36.35 | Randag | only checked usermod |
| 11:36.53 | liable | teledyn: a couple of bits. though i think the new xorg defaulted to forcing config rewrite and does it for you |
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| 11:37.22 | liable | teledyn: bit it used to be aiglx=true and a xaadthingo bit as well |
| 11:37.24 | teledyn | my config doesn't have it |
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| 11:37.55 | baua | is there a dedicated channel for debianinstaller questions? |
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| 11:38.05 | liable | teledyn: google for the gentoo aiglx howto, or read the changelog and docs for xorg |
| 11:38.18 | Maulkin | baua: #debian-boot |
| 11:38.38 | liable | baua: here, but if you have a legitimate bug, #debian-boot on oftc |
| 11:39.19 | teledyn | liable: reading it now |
| 11:39.36 | baua | ok, then how can i reboot after finishing the whole installation |
| 11:40.13 | liable | baua: your in a console or what? |
| 11:40.47 | baua | yh, before i switch to the login screen |
| 11:41.03 | baua | i would like to have it done automatically |
| 11:41.13 | baua | and late_command isnt working |
| 11:41.29 | liable | teledyn: i dont have aiglx in my conf, but it says it enabled in the log.. it never used to be, and i dont even use aiglx |
| 11:41.43 | liable | baua: huh? |
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| 11:41.52 | asadqsa | xgl works in intel |
| 11:41.52 | asadqsa | ? |
| 11:41.58 | liable | no |
| 11:42.06 | liable | with aiglx, yes |
| 11:42.52 | asadqsa | hmm, |
| 11:42.56 | liable | asadqsa: if you are talking about the cube and compiz candy, and you have an intel card, then you want aiglx |
| 11:43.12 | baua | liable: ok i finished the baseconfiguration ... then the system reboots and after that goes on with some other configuration stuff that u still can anwser with preseed file ... and after that i need a reboot |
| 11:43.32 | liable | asadqsa: if you have a nvidia or ati card with proprietry driver, then you want xgl |
| 11:43.42 | baua | but i dont know how i can archive that |
| 11:43.47 | teledyn | liable: mine doesn't mention it |
| 11:44.24 | liable | baua: why do you need to reboot? |
| 11:44.35 | liable | teledyn: mine does |
| 11:44.47 | baua | cause i installed a new kernel |
| 11:45.05 | liable | baua: if you are in a console, just typr 'reboot' |
| 11:45.22 | asadqsa | liable |
| 11:45.30 | liable | baua: or 'halt' or 'shutdown -h now' |
| 11:45.31 | asadqsa | i am clicking aglz |
| 11:45.35 | asadqsa | i am clicking aiglx |
| 11:45.46 | liable | clicking aiglx????????? |
| 11:45.46 | asadqsa | fdore page open |
| 11:45.53 | asadqsa | i am using devian |
| 11:45.58 | baua | no no, i build my own automatic installation CD with preseed file ... and just want the machine coming up the way i need it |
| 11:46.03 | asadqsa | in freedeskto |
| 11:46.08 | asadqsa | in freedesktop.org |
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| 11:46.15 | valdyn | !devian |
| 11:46.16 | dpkg | i guess devian is a spelling problem |
| 11:46.19 | liable | asadqsa: sorry, i dont think i can help |
| 11:46.22 | asadqsa | debian |
| 11:46.35 | baua | so i just need a automatic reboot at the end of the installation |
| 11:47.13 | baua | liable: u know that i talk about preseeding? |
| 11:47.50 | liable | baua: we are a debian help channel, not a customised boot cd channel, so, no i dont know how to help you :(\ |
| 11:48.04 | asadqsa | any way to work aiglx on debian pls help me |
| 11:48.14 | valdyn | asadqsa: read the documentation |
| 11:48.23 | asadqsa | where is it ? |
| 11:48.39 | asadqsa | i didnt find any doc. |
| 11:48.49 | valdyn | asadqsa: you probably shouldnt use experimental stuff if you cannot use google or /usr/share/doc/ |
| 11:49.12 | asadqsa | i can use google |
| 11:49.14 | valdyn | asadqsa: experimental as in 'not mature', not as in debian/experimental |
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| 11:49.28 | asadqsa | i am debian etch user |
| 11:49.48 | valdyn | asadqsa: xorg 7.1 is in etch? |
| 11:50.02 | asadqsa | not |
| 11:50.05 | asadqsa | 7.0 |
| 11:50.09 | valdyn | asadqsa: aiglx requires xorg 7.1 |
| 11:50.14 | asadqsa | himm |
| 11:50.21 | asadqsa | from experimental |
| 11:50.27 | john_doe | I use apache2 and I cannot get my site executed. When I request it with a browser, I'm asked what to do with a .pl file. I have libapache2-mod-perl2 installed. How can I debug this or what should I install? |
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| 11:50.30 | valdyn | !experimental |
| 11:50.30 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 11:50.37 | asadqsa | unstable |
| 11:50.53 | asadqsa | unstable repo has xorg 7.1 |
| 11:51.40 | liable | asadqsa: please wait a week or two untill it makes it to etch |
| 11:52.38 | asadqsa | i take xserver-xorg 7.1 from unstable repo |
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| 11:54.29 | liable | john_doe: dpkg-reconfigure apache2 and make sure the perl modules are enabled? havent ever had a .pl problem myself |
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| 11:55.06 | john_doe | liable: thanks, I'll try |
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| 11:57.13 | teledyn | i have to try this out |
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| 11:59.03 | Crysis | How can I listen to a stream radio ? |
| 11:59.16 | Nameeater | what type? |
| 11:59.19 | azeem | rhythmbox can do that, for example |
| 11:59.59 | Crysis | Nameeater: like www.Dreamsound-radio.com/128.m3u |
| 12:00.27 | pelzi_ | get a music player first? |
| 12:00.40 | Crysis | pelzi_: xmms ? |
| 12:00.44 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 12:00.51 | Crysis | I hav eit |
| 12:00.55 | Crysis | have it* |
| 12:01.11 | pelzi_ | then open URL. |
| 12:01.18 | Crysis | pelzi_: that say me to check my sound card |
| 12:01.28 | pelzi_ | then fix your sound first. |
| 12:01.47 | Braindead | Crysis: by the way that radio sucks pretty hard |
| 12:01.49 | liable | xmms does it, or mplayer |
| 12:01.51 | Crysis | and how can I fix it ? I have a sound card in my motherboard. With ALSA ? |
| 12:02.03 | Crysis | Braindead: It's my radio so don't say that :> |
| 12:02.13 | Braindead | Crysis: sorry. it sucks anyway |
| 12:02.32 | Crysis | Braindead: dont say it sucks, say I don't like it :p |
| 12:02.59 | pelzi_ | oh please behave yourselves |
| 12:03.00 | Braindead | I don't like giant steaming turds either,if it's how you wanna put it |
| 12:03.09 | Braindead | ahaha just joking around anyway |
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| 12:03.31 | scrillaz | lol |
| 12:03.39 | Crysis | so pelzi_ with ALSA I can fix my soundcart ? |
| 12:03.47 | pelzi_ | I'd guess so |
| 12:04.00 | pelzi_ | sorry, sound has always Just Worked for me so I don't know :P |
| 12:04.20 | Crysis | lol and anyone know how can I install ALSA ? |
| 12:04.31 | pelzi_ | paste lsmod and lspci somewhere first |
| 12:04.43 | Braindead | I kinda miss a couple of chapters of Crysis's adventures. has he got X running? |
| 12:04.49 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 12:04.49 | sunway | anybody use CMI9761 sound chip? |
| 12:05.16 | Crysis | yes Braindead ;) |
| 12:05.29 | Crysis | hmm I foud :p |
| 12:05.31 | Crysis | foun |
| 12:05.42 | Crysis | found fucking palm for writing |
| 12:06.04 | pelzi_ | :P |
| 12:06.29 | Crysis | I come back I'ill install ALSA |
| 12:06.35 | Braindead | noooooo |
| 12:06.40 | pelzi_ | oh jesus... |
| 12:06.44 | Braindead | what's he gonna do? |
| 12:06.52 | pelzi_ | I wonder. |
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| 12:07.58 | Braindead | it's strange it didn't work out of the box,with a backported kernel I presume he's using it should work almost out of the box...I hope he isn't messing with the kernel and that he's just installing alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 12:08.19 | pelzi_ | I hope he had enough of kernel |
| 12:09.15 | Braindead | I hope he had enough. period |
| 12:09.37 | Braindead | god his radio is goddamn awful. eurodancetrancetrash |
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| 12:11.11 | asadqsa | hey |
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| 12:11.25 | asadqsa | i install xserver xorg 7.1.0.4 |
| 12:11.36 | pelzi_ | Braindead: matter of taste. |
| 12:11.50 | asadqsa | what can i do for aiglx |
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| 12:13.19 | Crysis | I installed ALSA, now I don't have the sound in my motherboard speaker but in my bass, but now the problem is XMSS say me to look at my soundcard configuration :/ I tryed all output but just the HardDrive output work |
| 12:13.37 | Crysis | Is there a way to check if my sound work and it is not a problem of XMMS ? |
| 12:13.51 | pelzi_ | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 12:13.53 | Braindead | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 12:14.04 | asadqsa | hey hey hey |
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| 12:14.08 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:14.19 | pelzi_ | it should still work |
| 12:14.28 | azeem | if you have OSS emulation, I assume |
| 12:14.39 | pelzi_ | usually you do |
| 12:14.39 | Braindead | azeem: alsa-oss sometimes comes in handy anyway,I hope he installed it |
| 12:14.58 | Braindead | and anyway urandom sounds better than his radio :P |
| 12:15.11 | pelzi_ | now kids... |
| 12:15.39 | asadqsa | am i able to work xgl under intel |
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| 12:16.27 | jmspeex | Is there any support for ipw3945 in the newest installer? |
| 12:16.33 | Crysis | Thay say: Peripherique or ressource already is use |
| 12:17.00 | pelzi_ | is there any wireless support in the installer? |
| 12:17.01 | Braindead | Crysis: kde? artsd. gnome? esd. foo? devil. |
| 12:17.06 | Crysis | Braindead: kde |
| 12:17.20 | Braindead | Crysis: select the artsd output plugin |
| 12:17.23 | Braindead | in xmms I mean |
| 12:17.30 | pelzi_ | Crysis: see xmms config and select some other output |
| 12:17.49 | Braindead | ah,is there any? |
| 12:17.52 | asadqsa | somone help ? |
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| 12:18.14 | Crysis | but when I try to erase anything and there is nothiung to erase I have the sound in my helmet and not in the motherboard speaker and my helmet is pluged on my soundcard |
| 12:18.16 | Braindead | xmms-arts may come in helpfukl |
| 12:18.18 | Nameeater | what intel? |
| 12:18.38 | pelzi_ | are you hearing something? |
| 12:18.39 | asadqsa | do i work xgl under intel graphic card |
| 12:18.51 | asadqsa | Nameeater, |
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| 12:18.54 | Nameeater | what model intel |
| 12:18.58 | pelzi_ | it should work, but I have not tried xgl. |
| 12:19.02 | Crysis | pelzi_: not when I type cat /urand... |
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| 12:19.09 | asadqsa | intel 82852 82855 |
| 12:19.13 | asadqsa | Nameeater, |
| 12:19.18 | pelzi_ | Crysis: what output is xmms using |
| 12:19.33 | Crysis | esound |
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| 12:19.50 | asadqsa | my model 82852 82855 Nameeater |
| 12:19.50 | pelzi_ | try something else. |
| 12:20.04 | pelzi_ | alsa or arts |
| 12:20.10 | Nameeater | it should work |
| 12:20.13 | pelzi_ | and be sure it is not muted. |
| 12:20.15 | Crysis | pelzi_: i tryed all |
| 12:20.16 | asadqsa | hmm |
| 12:20.25 | Braindead | hint: xmms-arts |
| 12:20.42 | Braindead | doesn't amarok play streams? just use amarok |
| 12:20.53 | pelzi_ | and kmix, if that was the KDE mixer... can't remember |
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| 12:21.52 | Crysis | pelzi_: all wont work |
| 12:21.58 | pelzi_ | is it muted |
| 12:22.07 | pelzi_ | and do you have the arts plugin |
| 12:22.17 | Crysis | pelzi_: when I want to play that say check the output |
| 12:22.23 | Crysis | pelzi_: for the arts plugin I think no |
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| 12:22.29 | pelzi_ | apt-get it |
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| 12:23.31 | Crysis | pelzi_: done |
| 12:23.38 | pelzi_ | then try it |
| 12:24.09 | Crysis | WORK :p pelzi_ :) |
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| 12:24.33 | Crysis | thanks |
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| 12:24.46 | Crysis | pelzi_: how can I make the sound louder ? |
| 12:24.58 | pelzi_ | kmix |
| 12:25.04 | pelzi_ | or whatever mixer kde has |
| 12:25.12 | Crysis | and I find it where ? |
| 12:25.21 | pelzi_ | in the menu if it is installed |
| 12:25.28 | pelzi_ | I don't use kde, I have no idea |
| 12:25.35 | pelzi_ | apt-cache search kde mixer |
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| 12:25.48 | Crysis | hmm its good thanks :) |
| 12:25.57 | LinuxHelp | is there a console command to make a window full-screen? |
| 12:26.13 | pelzi_ | that's up to your window manager I guess |
| 12:26.26 | Nameeater | alt spacebar x usually does it for me |
| 12:26.39 | Nameeater | oh wrong kind of cli ;) |
| 12:26.44 | Bushmills | LinuxHelp: xwit might do |
| 12:26.48 | pelzi_ | it should be possible but I have no idea how. |
| 12:27.04 | Bushmills | has at least a resize command |
| 12:27.34 | LinuxHelp | Setting up xwit (3.4-9) ... |
| 12:28.56 | teferra | i wanted to uninstall the laptop supprt from my desktop and every thing uninstalled. No x nothing no nothing. only the balck and white screen clean linux. can i restore my ubuntu with apt-get short of re installing? or is there any other way? |
| 12:29.10 | Braindead | teferra: ask #ubuntu |
| 12:29.44 | Bushmills | what is "laptop support from desktop"? |
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| 12:30.24 | fireba11 | *rofl* |
| 12:31.30 | teferra | braindead: this isn't? my mistake sorry! |
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| 12:32.39 | liable | teferra: not to push the point, but the /topic sorta mentions it |
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| 12:35.28 | LinuxHelp | you know how in Enlightenment you can make a window full-screen, now I'm looking for that in Gnome. |
| 12:35.41 | Braindead | alt+F10 IIRC |
| 12:36.07 | Braindead | it's in the preferences,lots of precooked keybindings in there |
| 12:36.13 | dererk[w] | G'Morning everyone/Buenos dÃas :) |
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| 12:37.01 | Crysis | pelzi_: what X do you use ? |
| 12:37.12 | pelzi_ | fluxbox, xorg |
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| 12:37.18 | Crysis | ok |
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| 12:41.35 | polarbear | To add a cron job that runs every minute is this correct: 1 * * * * /root/backup.sh ? |
| 12:41.41 | polarbear | is that correct? |
| 12:42.25 | pelzi_ | afaik that runs every hour |
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| 12:43.55 | dimir | polarbear: every minute would be * * * * * /root/backup.sh |
| 12:44.04 | polarbear | erm |
| 12:44.08 | polarbear | so which one is correct? |
| 12:44.47 | Crysis | Can i share files and repertory of my external drive connect to my linux PC with my windows laptop ? |
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| 12:45.06 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 12:46.32 | Fox | polarbear: * * * * * is correct |
| 12:46.54 | polarbear | thanks |
| 12:46.57 | polarbear | its working :) |
| 12:47.08 | Fox | polarbear: 1 * * * * would be 01:01 02:01 03:01 etc... |
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| 12:47.20 | kryptoz | hi |
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| 12:48.24 | asadqsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.28 | asadqsa | sorry |
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| 12:49.38 | asadqsa | i hope xgl works on my system |
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| 12:54.12 | TraT0 | guys I'm getting wrong operation "stable". I just installed netinst (Sarge) and trynig to configure it. |
| 12:54.28 | pelzi_ | what are you doing |
| 12:54.41 | TraT0 | any source that I try |
| 12:54.49 | TraT0 | configuring apt |
| 12:55.00 | TraT0 | sources |
| 12:55.06 | pelzi_ | pastebin them |
| 12:55.11 | TraT0 | with base-config |
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| 12:56.22 | TraT0 | http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 12:57.03 | pelzi_ | hmm. |
| 12:57.04 | TraT0 | I'm using vmware |
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| 12:57.13 | TraT0 | debian is guest |
| 12:57.21 | pelzi_ | vmware shouldn't affect that, though |
| 12:57.26 | TraT0 | I know |
| 12:57.36 | pelzi_ | you do have "deb" in the beginning? |
| 12:57.46 | TraT0 | no |
| 12:58.03 | pelzi_ | then edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add it |
| 12:58.37 | liable | apt-setup |
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| 12:59.38 | Moorenkopf | how do I start Applications (f.e. games) with a border in kde? I want to switch between my apps while playing |
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| 13:00.56 | fasta | Is there something like kalarm, but then for gnome, as some KDE programs come out too large on my screen to see the lower part of dialogs. |
| 13:00.57 | dimir | Moorenkopf: start kwin |
| 13:01.26 | Moorenkopf | dimir: thanks |
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| 13:01.55 | dimir | fasta: $ apt-cache search gnome alarm |
| 13:01.55 | dimir | sanduhr - An alarm clock designed as an hourglass |
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| 13:02.27 | fasta | dimir: Hmm, I looked in Synaptic and didn't find anything (using search). |
| 13:02.32 | fasta | dimir: thanks |
| 13:02.43 | dimir | fasta: no problemo. |
| 13:02.56 | dimir | Hope that'll work for you. ;-) |
| 13:03.21 | dimir | Moorenkopf: in general, any window manager would work, in case kwin doesn't work for you. |
| 13:03.25 | fasta | A CLI would also be nice, but I didn't like the "remind" interface |
| 13:03.56 | Crysis | has debian qt installed ? |
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| 13:04.12 | pelzi_ | not by default |
| 13:04.21 | dimir | fasta: cron doesn't work for you? |
| 13:04.42 | Moorenkopf | dimir: wow, I don't see I need kwin, cause it's already running. Comming from fluxbox I don't how to configure kde/kwin, so that I'm able tu use Alt+Tab within games |
| 13:05.09 | fasta | dimir: that requires root |
| 13:05.16 | Bushmills | fasta: will timer-applet do? just pops up after a selected time with whatever you need to be reminded of |
| 13:05.18 | pelzi_ | eh? |
| 13:05.34 | Bushmills | like, 4 minutes tea, or 18 minutes pizza, or such |
| 13:05.41 | dimir | fasta: there's crontab -e (if cron is configured to allow non-root jobs) |
| 13:05.48 | fasta | dimir: sanduhr is pretty no nonsense. I like that. |
| 13:05.59 | fasta | dimir: ok |
| 13:06.23 | liable | mmm, pizza |
| 13:06.25 | valdyn | fasta: "echo 'mpg123 sometune.mp3' | at 7:00" ( for example ) |
| 13:06.39 | cornernote | if i want to install debian, all i need is CD1 right? then i can install everything else with a package manager |
| 13:06.45 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 13:06.51 | cornernote | cool |
| 13:06.55 | fasta | valdyn: ok, that cannot be much simpler than that. Thanks |
| 13:07.10 | dimir | ye, if atd is running. :-) |
| 13:07.27 | liable | cornernote: net-inst iso or even the business iso if you have a good connection and your net card is supported by the kernel |
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| 13:07.54 | cornernote | liable: i have a wireless network card |
| 13:07.55 | cornernote | :( |
| 13:08.01 | pelzi_ | then you need CD1 |
| 13:08.19 | liable | cornernote: which? |
| 13:08.19 | pelzi_ | and the drivers for it, if not in the kernel |
| 13:08.19 | fasta | dimir: isn't it by default? |
| 13:08.43 | dimir | fasta: afaik - yes, but I don't have it running anywhere because I don't use it. |
| 13:08.48 | cornernote | what are the chances for my wireless card being on the cd ? |
| 13:09.02 | liable | fuck all to none? |
| 13:09.02 | pelzi_ | if you told us which card it is it might help. |
| 13:09.05 | Crysis | how can I install QT ? |
| 13:09.17 | pelzi_ | at least the Orinoco gold cards Just Work. |
| 13:09.24 | dimir | Crysis: using package manager. |
| 13:09.26 | valdyn | !wayttd Crysis |
| 13:09.26 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Crysis? |
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| 13:09.28 | cornernote | sorry - netgear WG311 |
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| 13:09.37 | azeem | Crysis: why do you need Qt? Install an application which uses Qt |
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| 13:09.47 | guigouz | anyone here ever had problems installing lilo/grub to a sata drive MBR ? |
| 13:09.47 | azeem | cornernote: is that a USB dongle? |
| 13:09.47 | liable | cornernote: but what chipset is it? |
| 13:09.59 | Crysis | azeem: yes I want skype |
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| 13:10.02 | cornernote | liable: i dont know, how do i tell ? |
| 13:10.02 | dimir | or he needs to write app using qt. :-) |
| 13:10.03 | liable | guigouz: no |
| 13:10.04 | azeem | Crysis: so install skype |
| 13:10.04 | valdyn | !tell guigouz -about ask |
| 13:10.11 | peterrus | guigouz, nope, are you installing to sda instead of sda1 |
| 13:10.23 | liable | cornernote: google, or if you have linux, lspci |
| 13:11.02 | peterrus | ehm people |
| 13:11.02 | pelzi_ | cornernote: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/103.html |
| 13:11.02 | Crysis | XD azeem yes but I need QT |
| 13:11.06 | cydork | cornernote: check on http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ |
| 13:11.10 | asadqsa | when i build cairo glitz |
| 13:11.21 | azeem | Crysis: uhm, are you sure it's not already installed? Didn't you say you have KDE? |
| 13:11.21 | abrotman | Crysis: install skype .. |
| 13:11.22 | cornernote | i found this: http://www.jimbo7.com/wiki/index.php?title=WG311v3 |
| 13:11.29 | asadqsa | i wrote ./autogen.sh --prefix=/opt/Xgl |
| 13:11.33 | cornernote | i'll let you know how i go :) |
| 13:11.33 | pelzi_ | cornernote: but manufacturers often change chipsets while keeping the model number, can't trust them. |
| 13:11.53 | asadqsa | the warning is automake: src/glx/Makefile.am: warning: automake does not support libglitz_glx_la_LDFLAGS being defined conditionally |
| 13:11.54 | Crysis | azeem: I have KDE yes |
| 13:11.56 | asadqsa | what can i do |
| 13:11.58 | azeem | Crysis: so there. |
| 13:12.00 | azeem | KDE uses Qt |
| 13:12.01 | abrotman | Crysis: paste the error |
| 13:12.02 | liable | asadqsa: try #xgl |
| 13:12.04 | peterrus | lspci gives me the following: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c). now i need some drivers for that, can someone suggest me what i need, it is an quite old card (its in a pentium 2) i think 4mb ram on the card |
| 13:12.04 | valdyn | Crysis: apt-get install libqt4-mt |
| 13:12.11 | Crysis | there is no error |
| 13:12.17 | azeem | valdyn: are you sure skype uses Qt4? |
| 13:12.28 | valdyn | azeem: sorry, was a typo |
| 13:12.30 | azeem | Crysis: so maybe you should start telling us your problem |
| 13:12.30 | abrotman | Crysis: then what's the freaking problem ? |
| 13:12.33 | pelzi_ | peterrus: "ati# in xorg and it will just work |
| 13:12.34 | valdyn | cydork: libqt3-mt even |
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| 13:12.40 | azeem | valdyn: he's got KDE installed. |
| 13:12.47 | peterrus | pelzi_, dont i need to install those? |
| 13:12.47 | pelzi_ | he needs -dev |
| 13:12.56 | abrotman | pelzi_: to install a binary? |
| 13:13.01 | pelzi_ | peterrus: they're in by default in xorg |
| 13:13.05 | peterrus | okay |
| 13:13.08 | peterrus | lets try |
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| 13:13.13 | valdyn | Crysis: easiest to just use the static binary |
| 13:13.13 | pelzi_ | ah, sorry, nevermind |
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| 13:14.02 | asadqsa | pfff |
| 13:14.09 | liable | t |
| 13:14.30 | nevyn | sigh I hate writing my resume |
| 13:14.38 | nevyn | it's like the biggest chore EVER |
| 13:14.42 | asadqsa | nobody answer |
| 13:14.52 | liable | asadqsa: i did. |
| 13:15.13 | asadqsa | i didnt |
| 13:15.14 | abrotman | asadqsa: debian doesn't use Xgl |
| 13:15.15 | cydork | nevyn: my gf does that for me :P |
| 13:15.16 | liable | asadqsa: we dont support compiling beta software, if you cant work it out, dont do it |
| 13:15.33 | nevyn | cydork: my wife offered then recanted :( |
| 13:15.38 | Braindead | asadqsa: maybe we don't know shit/we don't care about Xgl. liable told you to ask #xgl ,they actually may know something about it |
| 13:15.50 | liable | nevyn: thats what wifes do innit? :P |
| 13:15.50 | valdyn | asadqsa: why try to compile cairo / glitz ? both is in debian.. |
| 13:16.01 | asadqsa | i understand but noone response |
| 13:16.03 | nevyn | you all need to die.. |
| 13:16.23 | nevyn | bastards.. /me goes sulks in the corner with vi and his skills list crap.. |
| 13:16.48 | nevyn | maybe I could write a program that took the output of dpkg --get-selections and.. resumeified it. |
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| 13:17.11 | nevyn | maybe combined with cruft or some sort of usage statistics.. |
| 13:17.31 | nevyn | ignore any packages where the conf hasn't been mofdified from the deb original.. |
| 13:17.32 | liable | or you could send an irc log to your employer, i am sure that would get you the job.. |
| 13:17.37 | nevyn | heh |
| 13:18.21 | Crysis | Skype say me a problem with sound device, but XMMS works good, In the configuration of XMMS i use arts, but in skype I can't use that. How can I solve this problem ? |
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| 13:18.32 | pelzi_ | install alsa-oss |
| 13:18.36 | nevyn | Crysis: use free software ;) |
| 13:18.48 | Braindead | asadqsa: which part of "we don't know shit" you didn't get? do you want at least 200 of the person in this chan to answer you "no I don't know anything about it" ? |
| 13:18.50 | liable | install it? |
| 13:18.54 | fasta | nevyn: Skype is free. |
| 13:18.58 | fasta | nevyn: Just not Free. |
| 13:18.59 | nevyn | Crysis: stop compramising your freedom to use a proprietary protocol.. |
| 13:19.04 | nevyn | ;_ |
| 13:19.06 | Braindead | fasta: nope. |
| 13:19.09 | cydork | nevyn: if i write my cv i will just write about my last work exp. current exp and i need a job :P |
| 13:19.22 | fasta | Braindead: you were saying? |
| 13:19.37 | Braindead | fasta: ah ok now I got the pun. |
| 13:19.41 | Crysis | nevyn: I need skype for discut with my window's friends :) |
| 13:20.08 | azeem | Crysis: read the skype documentation on which sound system it expects |
| 13:20.13 | valdyn | skype cant play nice with arts i would think |
| 13:20.14 | pelzi_ | it wants OSS |
| 13:20.21 | nevyn | Crysis: relax I'm just trying to start an argument so I have something to do other than write this resume ;) |
| 13:20.22 | Crysis | I am installing OSS |
| 13:20.26 | pelzi_ | like I said, and yes, it has problems with arts |
| 13:20.27 | valdyn | supports both alsa and oss though |
| 13:20.28 | liable | the new one does alsa |
| 13:20.33 | Crysis | yes nevyn I know |
| 13:20.34 | pelzi_ | oh? |
| 13:20.36 | fasta | Commercial Linux software almost always use old libraries. |
| 13:20.36 | azeem | Crysis: install the alsa oss emulation, rather |
| 13:20.37 | smiler | if you start it with arts-dsp it will probably work |
| 13:20.57 | pelzi_ | well, ages since I tried skype |
| 13:21.09 | Braindead | Skype makes baby jesus cry |
| 13:21.18 | valdyn | arts too |
| 13:21.23 | pelzi_ | it works surprisingly well and has users. |
| 13:21.26 | pelzi_ | hard to beat that |
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| 13:21.31 | Crysis | pelzi_: with alsa oss I need a reboot ? Because skype say the same error |
| 13:21.39 | pelzi_ | no idea |
| 13:21.46 | valdyn | Crysis: skype needs an unused alsa or oss device |
| 13:21.54 | liable | Braindead: yeah, and sip makes linux users have noone to talk to :P |
| 13:21.58 | nevyn | smiler: that's gonna cause latency hell |
| 13:22.05 | valdyn | Crysis: pick an unused device, if necessary either sitch off kde sound or use arts-dsp |
| 13:22.15 | Braindead | liable: nope,you can talk to other nerds and geeks |
| 13:22.19 | nevyn | arts is gonna BURN cpu to keep up with skype latency requirements |
| 13:22.25 | Crysis | valdyn: KDE sound are turned off |
| 13:22.27 | valdyn | nevyn: umm |
| 13:22.34 | liable | Braindead: thats what irc was invented for :P |
| 13:22.38 | valdyn | Crysis: now pick an unused device |
| 13:22.39 | cydork | Braindead: i am thinkin of buying that new sip phone :P |
| 13:22.49 | Braindead | and a chixxxor! jonita@ekiga.net |
| 13:23.18 | Crysis | valdyn: works :p |
| 13:23.39 | pelzi_ | doesn't SIP still have NAT problems and all |
| 13:23.49 | liable | yes |
| 13:23.53 | pelzi_ | exactly. |
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| 13:23.57 | Braindead | yes and no.... |
| 13:24.08 | Braindead | the STUN support in ekiga is kinda problematic,but it works |
| 13:24.15 | pelzi_ | Skype just works through almost any network |
| 13:24.28 | sll | hi, anybody knows which debian distribution is better for a intel core 2 duo?? |
| 13:24.33 | nevyn | pelzi_: that is true. and an advantage. |
| 13:24.43 | nevyn | sll: define better. |
| 13:24.45 | Braindead | sll: ask Crysis |
| 13:24.48 | valdyn | sll: between which alternatives |
| 13:24.54 | liable | sll: any, you just need a smp kernel |
| 13:25.14 | sll | where can I obtain this kernel? |
| 13:25.27 | nevyn | sll: what are you trying to determine? |
| 13:25.28 | sll | smp? |
| 13:25.30 | Braindead | after you've installed debian,you install a smp kernel |
| 13:25.31 | abrotman | !smp |
| 13:25.32 | dpkg | well, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 13:25.34 | liable | sll: but you will prolly find that sarge wont support your (probably) sata HD chipset |
| 13:25.39 | Crysis | valdyn: how can I use skype and use xmms at the same time? |
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| 13:25.49 | nevyn | liable: sarge with 2.6 might |
| 13:25.57 | liable | nevyn: *might* |
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| 13:26.09 | Braindead | nevyn: 2.6.8 quite doesn't work right with bleeding edge hw |
| 13:26.11 | liable | nevyn: highly unlikely |
| 13:26.20 | nevyn | true |
| 13:26.36 | abrotman | nevyn: it would support the CPU but more than likely not the drive controller |
| 13:26.46 | nevyn | it really depends what his goals are and what he means by "better" |
| 13:27.02 | pelzi_ | maybe "best" |
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| 13:27.09 | pelzi_ | and at this point I'd say unstable. |
| 13:27.09 | Crysis | sll, I have a core 2 duo and a ASUS p5w dh deluxe and that dont work with ETCH or another, I use a backported image |
| 13:27.10 | liable | nevyn: learn to read between the lines :) |
| 13:27.16 | liable | no |
| 13:27.17 | nevyn | if his goal is a stable server system to run lamp or something then sarge may be a viable choice |
| 13:27.22 | sll | a ver si encuentro alguno -smp |
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| 13:27.36 | pelzi_ | nah. with that hardware it would be better to wait. |
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| 13:27.51 | pelzi_ | I'd rather not run a server on a machine that is only supported with sid kernels |
| 13:27.59 | cydork | sll: if it's not a server go for etch |
| 13:28.10 | liable | yeah, tell the boss he can have his mail server in 6 months.. |
| 13:28.22 | Crysis | sll what is your hardware ? I have a Core 2 duo and that dont work with ETCH ;) |
| 13:28.31 | TraT0 | pelzi_: I fix it. commented out sources list. tnx |
| 13:28.31 | pelzi_ | didn't etch have problems with core2 duo mainboards... |
| 13:28.43 | sll | Crysis, is a core 2 duo too |
| 13:28.44 | pelzi_ | np |
| 13:28.46 | Braindead | liable: he should also tell his boss he's gonna configure a mail server without even knowing what SMP means |
| 13:28.54 | Crysis | sll and your mobo ? |
| 13:28.57 | liable | Braindead: touche |
| 13:29.20 | pelzi_ | liable: and who runs a mail server on a core2 duo |
| 13:29.35 | pelzi_ | if it's not m$ it better be a damn big mailserver to need one. |
| 13:29.51 | pelzi_ | with exchange, SMP opterons are needed for 20 users... |
| 13:30.02 | liable | pelzi_: you missed the point, and who knows, are you saying that no-one des? |
| 13:30.06 | liable | does |
| 13:30.11 | Crysis | pelzi_: it has, ETCH dont work with my core 2 duo and Asus p5w dh deluxe I dont know if it is the mobo or not, but it work with backported d-i images |
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| 13:30.20 | nevyn | pelzi_: spam filtering even on linux takes some grunt |
| 13:30.20 | sll | what is mobo? |
| 13:30.30 | Crysis | sll motherboard, what is your motherboard ? |
| 13:30.50 | dijz | Hi, how use Compose with in xkb (xserver-xorg)? |
| 13:31.09 | eml | Hi! I have a question. I'm looking for the example files several packages include, wxPython for example. Could anyone tell me where to find these? |
| 13:31.10 | dijz | Compose of one locale |
| 13:31.10 | pelzi_ | nevyn: true. but still not that much (I'd guess people with really big mainboards use sparc anyway). |
| 13:31.33 | liable | eml: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:31.37 | pelzi_ | eml: install the -doc package and look in /usr/share/doc |
| 13:31.49 | nevyn | pelzi_: please.. sparc.. cmon |
| 13:32.03 | sll | is Inspiron 9400 |
| 13:32.25 | pelzi_ | nevyn: or dual opterons, or just hardware that has been around for a while |
| 13:32.44 | sll | core 2 Duo Processor T7200 2.GHz, 4 mb l2, 667 mhz FSB |
| 13:32.50 | pelzi_ | well, AFAIK there is no core2 duo chipset that works with kernels older than 2.6.18 |
| 13:32.58 | guigouz | i have a problem with lilo/grub not recording the mbr on a SATA disk, wonder if anyone had the same problem |
| 13:32.58 | liable | sll: if the latest etch installer doesnt support your chipset, your shit outta luck untill a kernel does support it |
| 13:33.13 | eml | pelzi_, Thanks |
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| 13:33.15 | liable | pelzi_: wtf? |
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| 13:33.38 | Crysis | sll its a laptop so... you can try etch and if it is really slow ( like 45 minuts for launch the partition tool ) come back and I will give you what work with my E6600 and P5W DH deluxer |
| 13:33.41 | Crysis | -r |
| 13:33.43 | bony | sorry for off topic post but i am desperate to know. I am unable to open .psd files in gimp. i use debian sid 64bit. |
| 13:33.48 | liable | pelzi_: its not the cpu thats the problem |
| 13:33.59 | pelzi_ | liable: I said "chipset" |
| 13:34.07 | sll | thanks Crysis |
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| 13:34.52 | guigouz | anyone here ever had problems installing lilo/grub to a sata drive MBR ? |
| 13:34.57 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 13:35.01 | nevyn | guigouz: nope. |
| 13:35.02 | pelzi_ | always worked. |
| 13:35.13 | pelzi_ | booting from them is a different matter altogether. |
| 13:35.13 | guigouz | it doesn't boot, lilo or grub |
| 13:35.17 | nevyn | but be careful about what mode your bios puts your sata chipset in |
| 13:35.20 | nevyn | maybe |
| 13:35.21 | guigouz | yeah |
| 13:35.28 | guigouz | I've read about the sata mode |
| 13:35.30 | liable | pelzi_: jfyi, i installed with 2.6.15 etch installer |
| 13:35.50 | guigouz | nevyn, someone instructed me to use "legacy mode" |
| 13:35.55 | pelzi_ | liable: you know, I also mentioned "AFAIK" |
| 13:36.01 | guigouz | nevyn, but what if my biod doesn't have that option ? |
| 13:36.19 | pelzi_ | liable: maybe the problem was 2.6.17 specific, then |
| 13:36.35 | pelzi_ | dammit, whatever, I'll do something more useful |
| 13:36.39 | nevyn | guigouz: I prefer to use enhanced mode myself |
| 13:36.48 | pelzi_ | why? |
| 13:36.48 | liable | pelzi_: fair enough |
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| 13:37.25 | pelzi_ | doesn't the bios setting only matter for booting and the kernel ignore it once it loads the sata module? |
| 13:37.56 | nevyn | pelzi_: yep. |
| 13:38.04 | nevyn | what's the problem he's having do you think? |
| 13:38.19 | pelzi_ | maybe buggy sata controller bios |
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| 13:38.36 | EtherNet | hello guys |
| 13:38.41 | nevyn | I'd agree with that diagnosis.. |
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| 13:38.57 | nevyn | would changing the way the bios attempts to boot possibly solve this problem? |
| 13:39.09 | pelzi_ | yes. |
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| 13:39.09 | EtherNet | why when I make the "dsp", "sound", "mixer" devices, after rebooting they are removed automatically ? |
| 13:39.17 | pelzi_ | EtherNet: udev |
| 13:39.18 | guigouz | nevyn, i guess enhanced mode doesn't work with lilo/grub and newer drives |
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| 13:39.36 | EtherNet | pelzi_, so, any way to keep it statically ? |
| 13:39.37 | liable | EtherNet: you need the module loaded |
| 13:39.58 | EtherNet | liable, so.. it's not at the load time... when the driver isn't loaded they are removed |
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| 13:40.07 | pelzi_ | I've only seen initramfs inferno when sata booting, no grub problems. |
| 13:40.41 | marl0w | i have python2.3 and python2.4 installed on my debian box. is there a nice way in debian to change the symlinks to the new version? |
| 13:40.48 | liable | EtherNet: just load snd-pcm-oss and those devices should be created.. |
| 13:40.52 | pelzi_ | update-alternatives |
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| 13:41.14 | EtherNet | liable, I'm going to add it |
| 13:41.42 | EtherNet | liable, do I add it to /etc/modules ? |
| 13:41.48 | liable | yeah |
| 13:41.56 | EtherNet | cool |
| 13:41.58 | EtherNet | let try that |
| 13:42.37 | marl0w | pelzi_: hmm :/ "No alternatives for python." |
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| 13:43.00 | pelzi_ | marl0w: I think it should not be changed, then |
| 13:43.12 | pelzi_ | marl0w: packages expect that python points to 2.3 |
| 13:43.20 | pelzi_ | they will break if it is changed |
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| 13:43.55 | EtherNet | liable, it loaded: snd 48100 10 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device |
| 13:43.58 | EtherNet | so it looks like it works now |
| 13:44.07 | liable | EtherNet: good |
| 13:44.10 | EtherNet | liable, I think you fixed it :D thank you so much |
| 13:44.20 | liable | no worries |
| 13:44.25 | marl0w | pelzi_: hm thank, i'll think about that |
| 13:44.42 | sandman | Yay, I was just fired from my job, and now I think I've been blackballed. |
| 13:44.53 | pelzi_ | eh? |
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| 13:45.42 | liable | better than blueballed i guess |
| 13:45.48 | marl0w | pelzi_: my python script is linked to /usr/bin/python and i'd like to test it with the new version |
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| 13:46.55 | pelzi_ | marl0w: change the script to python2.4 |
| 13:47.18 | liable | my pythin links to pythin 2.4 |
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| 13:47.25 | marl0w | pelzi_: ok thanks, i'll try it |
| 13:47.25 | liable | python |
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| 13:47.56 | liable | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2006-09-06 02:20 /usr/bin/python -> python2.4 |
| 13:48.51 | liable | its a bit like gcc, it links to the new one? |
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| 13:50.34 | pelzi_ | depends on debian version |
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| 13:51.18 | Crysis-Feax | re |
| 13:51.29 | Crysis-Feax | sll you try to install now ? |
| 13:51.30 | rE | wb |
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| 13:51.36 | liable | yeah, but if 2.4 is available, then it should be linked to it.. |
| 13:51.47 | pelzi_ | nope |
| 13:51.51 | Zesty | zip question, I have a directory of symbolic links, in that directory is 3 files then an a folder which expands to 3 other folders, with a simple zip -r foo.zip foo, it ignores the foo directory and I get in the zip, three files and the directory, when someone comes to unzip this it makes a mess, so how do I make sure it includes the foo directory in the zip? |
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| 13:51.59 | pelzi_ | older packages break on python2.4 |
| 13:52.07 | khaleel5000 | hi fellas |
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| 13:52.52 | abrotman | Zesty: i don't think zip can handle links |
| 13:53.01 | pelzi_ | it cannot |
| 13:53.03 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_:, hello ? remember I came yestarday asking if any release of debian has atleast one version of the packages that are in repo (atleast at the time of release )? |
| 13:53.12 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 13:53.51 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: they say they have a 2-dvd set of Debian 3.Ir3 |
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| 13:54.25 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: or a 14 cd set of the same version (debian 3.Ir3 |
| 13:55.18 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: so your comments? ..... will it have atleast one .... and how old will it be? |
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| 13:55.59 | pelzi_ | it should have everything. |
| 13:56.05 | pelzi_ | but they will be old. |
| 13:56.18 | Zesty | abrotman and pelzi_, when I unzip the file the files have been expanded to their actual files, it's just a question of getting the directory to which they are all sitting in to be included in in the zip |
| 13:56.24 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: and will be how old? |
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| 13:56.52 | pelzi_ | 3.1r3... how old is that |
| 13:56.55 | assdas | hey |
| 13:57.17 | assdas | does xorg 7.1 have xgl features |
| 13:57.44 | stew | assdas: no. it has aiglx |
| 13:57.47 | pelzi_ | afaik 3.1r3 is a few months old |
| 13:57.48 | liable | assdas: no, debian doesnt do xgl, i told you |
| 13:57.58 | assdas | sorry aiglx |
| 13:58.01 | liable | assdas: you need to compile xgl |
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| 13:58.23 | stew | pelzi_: 3.1r3 was released in september 3.1 it is the most current stable release was released in june 2005 |
| 13:58.24 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: let me huntch :- 6th of June, 2005 as written here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable |
| 13:58.54 | stew | pelzi_: 3.1r3 was released in september it is the most current stable release. 3.1 was released in june 2005 |
| 13:58.54 | stew | bad edit... |
| 13:58.57 | kmap | I wanted to know whether someone is using the nitro patches for the kernel |
| 13:58.59 | pelzi_ | hmmh, whatever |
| 13:59.10 | valdyn | kmap: you better ask that in #gentoo |
| 13:59.12 | kmap | I have been using ck patches, but wanted to try nitro out |
| 13:59.18 | kmap | On debian |
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| 13:59.29 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: so according to your standards is it way toooooo old? |
| 13:59.30 | kmap | I am using Debian sid |
| 13:59.42 | valdyn | !ricer |
| 13:59.42 | dpkg | i heard ricer is at gentoo |
| 13:59.45 | liable | oooh is nitro fast kernel googness? |
| 13:59.46 | pelzi_ | it is usable, but not new. |
| 14:00.11 | pelzi_ | if your PC is not the newest, it will be fine. |
| 14:00.16 | kmap | valdyn: OK, I'll check it up |
| 14:00.25 | assdas | i enter xorg.conf |
| 14:00.32 | kmap | valdyn: Last time I tried, I had compilation errors |
| 14:00.43 | assdas | i change lline aigls from section input device |
| 14:00.44 | valdyn | kmap: its a patchset offered in and for gentoo, and its bleeding edge |
| 14:00.47 | kmap | valdyn: So, wanted to check if someone was using it |
| 14:00.51 | valdyn | kmap: so stay way from it.. |
| 14:00.59 | kmap | valdyn: Advice taken! |
| 14:01.02 | valdyn | s/way/away/ |
| 14:01.03 | assdas | line xkbrules |
| 14:01.07 | liable | that sucks the factoid doesnt even give the funrollloops webpage :( |
| 14:01.28 | liable | @ricer |
| 14:01.38 | liable | @wake up |
| 14:01.38 | ravenbird | liable: I'm already awake! :) |
| 14:02.16 | valdyn | !gentoo |
| 14:02.16 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: how can I use skype and XMMS at the same time ? Because skype want an unused device but that ennoy me |
| 14:02.17 | dpkg | i guess gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
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| 14:02.35 | pelzi_ | Crysis-Feax: I don't know |
| 14:02.53 | Crysis-Feax | ok pelzi_ |
| 14:03.07 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: my pc was manufactured around say may 2005 (mobo i meant) |
| 14:03.16 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: since how many years/month are you on linux ? |
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| 14:03.43 | pelzi_ | around 5 years. |
| 14:03.47 | pelzi_ | khaleel5000: it should work. |
| 14:03.56 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: its Mercury p4vm800m7 (mostly via chipset ) ... p4 2.66 (1mb cache ) , 256 mb ddr , MSI FX5600 VTDR (basically nvidia 5600 chip based) |
| 14:03.58 | cydork | Crysis-Feax: are you using alsa? |
| 14:04.31 | Crysis-Feax | cydork: yes |
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| 14:04.39 | valdyn | skype's alsa support is so crippled it might making sharing sound output quite tricky. |
| 14:04.55 | Crysis-Feax | ok it's so imppossible ? |
| 14:04.57 | pelzi_ | khaleel5000: well, you can't expect the newest software but I think it would be usable |
| 14:05.02 | liable | valdyn: you have used the alsa version? |
| 14:05.13 | valdyn | liable: yea |
| 14:05.36 | liable | valdyn: still, beta in the sense of the word? |
| 14:05.44 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: i dont want it to work i want it to scream , shout , bleed , (means will it support like transparencies , animation , whats its kde version and xorg version |
| 14:05.50 | cydork | valdyn: i am using it with dmix with no probs .. |
| 14:06.03 | valdyn | liable: the device selection GUI doesnt work properly, i havent dug deep though |
| 14:06.08 | pelzi_ | khaleel5000: well then debian stable is not for you |
| 14:06.13 | abrotman | isn't there a skype support channel somewhere ? |
| 14:06.34 | liable | abrotman: even better, theres a forum! |
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| 14:07.05 | Crysis-Feax | I know the forum but I dont like suscribe ^^ |
| 14:07.09 | valdyn | liable: another thing is that the IDIOT devs dont use libalsa properly ( which would have skype respect ~/.asoundrc ), but instead just show hardware devices ( maybe they scan /proc or whatever ) |
| 14:07.21 | Bushmills | Crysis-Feax: skype 1.3 supports ALSA |
| 14:07.26 | Bushmills | but doens't work well |
| 14:07.35 | Crysis-Feax | Bushmills: Is it a BETA version ? |
| 14:07.41 | Bushmills | not anymore |
| 14:07.51 | Bushmills | final for about 1 week now |
| 14:07.55 | valdyn | liable: when you start skype it might want to use 'default, but in the GUI 'default' is not even available |
| 14:08.07 | Bushmills | still doesn't work well for me |
| 14:08.08 | liable | valdyn: ya, i have been following the saga half heartedly. sucks we dont have a better solution :( |
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| 14:08.33 | Crysis-Feax | Bushmills: I have 1.3 but dont work :p I'll look if there is a BETA version |
| 14:08.41 | |garo| | Is /dev/dsp alsa,oss or both ? |
| 14:08.47 | valdyn | Crysis-Feax: guess it can work if you have either 2 sound cards or one that does support multiple channels in hardware |
| 14:09.05 | stew | |garo|: oss, however alsa can emulate oss by using that device file |
| 14:09.25 | valdyn | |garo|: its just a device node, can be anything |
| 14:09.38 | Crysis-Feax | valdyn: I have one card but I dont know if that support multi channels |
| 14:09.59 | valdyn | Crysis-Feax: obviously not when xmms does not work at a time with skype |
| 14:10.07 | valdyn | Crysis-Feax: the mixing would work transparently |
| 14:10.27 | Crysis-Feax | ok valdyn |
| 14:10.31 | pelzi_ | Crysis-Feax: get a second PC or a second sound card |
| 14:10.50 | valdyn | Crysis-Feax: i _think_ alsa might support a software mixed /dev/dsp, goole might know, im not sure |
| 14:10.51 | |garo| | Which device should i use with alsa if i don't let it emulate oss ? |
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| 14:10.54 | Hoxzer | geez, I want to build multi-headed HTPC with debian Etch |
| 14:11.04 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: i have pclinuxos distro , has kde 3.4.3 , came with kernel 2.6.16 ... (tell me what version of kde , xorg and kernel will it be having and that should be it [ the debian search engine is out ! or would hve searched it]) |
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| 14:11.15 | Hoxzer | anyways :D I dont think I have skills as much as are neded |
| 14:11.18 | valdyn | Crysis-Feax: gets complicated, see the dmix factoid |
| 14:11.33 | liable | |garo|: normally a pcm* dev |
| 14:11.43 | pelzi_ | khaleel5000: I don't know but I can tell you they will be much older. maybe look at ubuntu |
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| 14:11.54 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: thanks |
| 14:12.02 | Crysis-Feax | ok valdyn I'll stay like that it is not really really important |
| 14:12.48 | pelzi_ | who listens to music while talking on the phone anyway |
| 14:13.04 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: i listen to music or play game while on phone |
| 14:13.11 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: mostly game |
| 14:13.13 | |garo| | liable: like /dev/snd/pcmC0D1c ? |
| 14:13.20 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: sometimes I make listening new songs whith skype |
| 14:13.24 | valdyn | |garo|: no, dont |
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| 14:13.37 | pelzi_ | I wouldn't... it's rude etc. (ok, I'm an old fart) |
| 14:13.50 | Crysis-Feax | lol pelzi_ :p |
| 14:13.53 | |garo| | valdyn: ? |
| 14:13.59 | liable | |garo|: yeah, but you never really have to use that dev with alsa, but, yes, thats prolly the actuall device |
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| 14:14.21 | valdyn | |garo|: alsa 'programs' shouldnt use device nodes |
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| 14:15.22 | blubberwasser | how can i add an text to an pic @ console ? |
| 14:15.30 | valdyn | | |
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| 14:15.37 | rafy | hi :) |
| 14:15.47 | liable | hola |
| 14:15.49 | valdyn | |garo|: if a program needs a device node its obviously oss and should use /dev/dsp |
| 14:16.23 | rafy | It's a little bit off-topic but I want to go to Canada.. But I saw there is only one mobile-provider??? |
| 14:16.34 | liable | haha |
| 14:16.42 | rafy | With a poor coverage :/ |
| 14:16.47 | liable | rafy: yes, thats very OT |
| 14:16.59 | pelzi_ | well where is it on topic |
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| 14:17.07 | liable | rafy: and you are about to flamed all the way to canada :P |
| 14:17.12 | pelzi_ | #canada? |
| 14:17.15 | valdyn | canada would needs like more than 1 antenna per user for 'good' coverage |
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| 14:17.38 | pelzi_ | hey, even Finland has acceptable mobile coverage |
| 14:17.56 | valdyn | pelzi_: and a much higher population density? i dont know |
| 14:18.01 | pelzi_ | nope. |
| 14:18.29 | pelzi_ | please look up Finland, I'd be very surprised if we had more density |
| 14:18.30 | liable | meh, even .au has coverage in out of the way towns |
| 14:18.38 | Bushmills | "even" finland :) |
| 14:18.49 | Bushmills | more like, "especially" finland |
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| 14:19.00 | pelzi_ | Finland has 5 million inhabitants and a pretty large area |
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| 14:19.07 | pelzi_ | nah. Finland is not that advanced |
| 14:19.10 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: any guess when will next stable be out? |
| 14:19.11 | pelzi_ | we have nokia, that's it |
| 14:19.12 | liable | i thought one antenna would cover all of finland :) |
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| 14:19.36 | pelzi_ | khaleel5000: nobody knows. when it's ready (and it probably won't have xgl anyway) |
| 14:20.00 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: whats xgl |
| 14:20.04 | liable | it definately wont have xgl |
| 14:20.18 | pelzi_ | well it is 1100km from the northern parts of Finland to the south. |
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| 14:21.12 | pelzi_ | ,xgl |
| 14:21.15 | Crysis-Feax | how can I do a screenshot ? ^^ |
| 14:21.19 | pelzi_ | scrot |
| 14:21.27 | cydork | Crysis-Feax: kde/gnome? |
| 14:21.31 | Crysis-Feax | yes cydork |
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| 14:21.42 | cydork | Crysis-Feax: i mean which one? :P |
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| 14:21.50 | Crysis-Feax | cydork: KDE! |
| 14:22.13 | abrotman | !ss |
| 14:22.14 | dpkg | hmm... ss is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 14:22.36 | Crysis-Feax | the gimp for me so |
| 14:22.47 | liable | or you can scroll through the menus and find the screenshot one |
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| 14:23.20 | Bushmills | Crysis-Feax: press the print screen key |
| 14:23.33 | valdyn | mm, finland is 17people/square km, candada 3.3 |
| 14:23.37 | Crysis-Feax | yes Bushmills and after ? |
| 14:23.40 | liable | i never thought looking through menus was hard, but it seems kde/gnome users have a hard time with it.. |
| 14:24.17 | Bushmills | Crysis-Feax: with gnome, the thumbnail of your screnshot shows |
| 14:24.22 | incorrect | if i view my system with top it shows that my processes aren't taking up much time |
| 14:24.32 | Bushmills | you answered "yes" to the "gnome" question |
| 14:24.36 | incorrect | but if i look at my load average its 6 4 and 3 |
| 14:24.42 | Crysis-Feax | Bushmills: and with Kde ? |
| 14:24.54 | incorrect | if i look at vmstat, it doesn't show much activity |
| 14:24.56 | valdyn | incorrect: load average is something that needs zero cpu time in theory |
| 14:25.02 | valdyn | !load |
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| 14:25.05 | Bushmills | Crysis-Feax: try kamera |
| 14:25.30 | valdyn | incorrect: load = number of process queued up waiting for cpu OR I/O |
| 14:25.36 | Bushmills | Crysis-Feax: ehm, no don't |
| 14:25.37 | incorrect | yes i know that |
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| 14:25.43 | valdyn | incorrect: so? |
| 14:25.45 | incorrect | so i guess its the disk driver |
| 14:25.47 | Bushmills | mixed up program names |
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| 14:25.51 | Crysis-Feax | Bushmills: its not for that kamera :p |
| 14:25.53 | valdyn | incorrect: or the network |
| 14:26.02 | incorrect | possible too |
| 14:26.05 | Krazykill | siema! szukam kogos kto mi wyt³umaczy jak mam sobie port zforwardowac, po polsku najlepiej :D |
| 14:26.25 | Bushmills | Crysis-Feax: ksnapshot |
| 14:26.26 | liable | Krazykill: engrish please |
| 14:26.56 | Crysis-Feax | hmm good thanks Bushmills |
| 14:27.18 | incorrect | i've got megaraid_sas and bnx2 for my nic |
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| 14:28.30 | Crysis-Feax | hmm another question: I have installed zsh, that work with root, when i create a new user but I want that to work with my user created before the installation how can I do ? |
| 14:28.42 | pelzi_ | chsh |
| 14:29.02 | Crysis-Feax | chsh ? |
| 14:29.11 | nevyn | change shell |
| 14:29.12 | nevyn | chsh |
| 14:29.31 | Crysis-Feax | ôÔ don't understand I do what exactly ? |
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| 14:29.53 | liable | thats ok, i didnt understand the question :) |
| 14:29.54 | pelzi_ | run it |
| 14:29.55 | abrotman | !tell Crysis-Feax about grounding |
| 14:29.58 | Crysis-Feax | adduser user chsh ? |
| 14:30.01 | pelzi_ | no |
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| 14:30.02 | pelzi_ | chsh |
| 14:30.08 | ft | Crysis-Feax: you want 'zsh' to be the default shell for new users? |
| 14:30.19 | ft | Crysis-Feax: if so: man 5 adduser.conf |
| 14:30.25 | Crysis-Feax | fs I have done that I want to make my user created before have zsh |
| 14:30.33 | Crysis-Feax | ft* |
| 14:30.50 | pelzi_ | for the last time: run chsh |
| 14:30.55 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: hmm now good :p |
| 14:31.10 | nevyn | sed -e "s#/bin/bash#/bin/zsh#" /etc/passwd |
| 14:31.24 | abrotman | eh .. that'd be a bad idea |
| 14:31.30 | abrotman | well ... unless oyu want root to have it |
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| 14:32.02 | nevyn | abrotman: and nobody.. actually it's a terribly aweful idea ;) |
| 14:32.14 | nevyn | hrm actually it wouldn't change nobody's shell |
| 14:32.20 | pelzi_ | don't ever touch passwd yourself |
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| 14:32.28 | pelzi_ | maybe with vipw, but still better not |
| 14:32.36 | abrotman | nevyn: only if nobody has a shell set to bash |
| 14:32.37 | fwd | hey people. should aptitude be used in favour to apt-get now? |
| 14:32.45 | pelzi_ | matter of taste |
| 14:32.56 | Crysis-Feax | How can I have my external hard drive on linux ? I plug it and after ? |
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| 14:33.07 | pelzi_ | with KDE it might just work |
| 14:33.10 | abrotman | !tell Crysis-Feax about vfatrw |
| 14:33.20 | abrotman | fwd: most likely .. yes |
| 14:33.39 | Crysis-Feax | abrotman: it is a NTFS HD |
| 14:33.47 | abrotman | !tell Crysis-Feax about ntrsro |
| 14:33.53 | abrotman | !tell Crysis-Feax about ntfsro |
| 14:34.04 | liable | !typosmite abrotman |
| 14:34.17 | jmspeex | Etch is totally broken on my new Core 2 Duo laptop. Anyone can help? |
| 14:34.17 | fwd | abrotman, and what's so special about aptitude? comparing to apt-get? |
| 14:34.21 | abrotman | !paulswmsmite liable |
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| 14:34.35 | abrotman | jmspeex: only if you are more vague |
| 14:34.53 | fwd | ;) |
| 14:34.54 | abrotman | fwd: better problem resolution .. automagic dependency removal ... |
| 14:35.00 | Crysis-Feax | what is a gid ? |
| 14:35.08 | azeem | a group id |
| 14:35.19 | abrotman | !tell Crysis-Feax about grounding |
| 14:35.29 | jmspeex | abrotman: It's really hard to describe. X does funny things (e.g. crashing/hanging/...), especiall when both cores are enabled. |
| 14:35.35 | liable | fwd: it notes auto installed shit, has a log, and has resolution solutions |
| 14:35.36 | fwd | abrotman, problem resolution? could you point me to some papers? |
| 14:35.56 | abrotman | jmspeex: stop telling it jokes ? |
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| 14:36.04 | abrotman | fwd: like the man page ? |
| 14:36.17 | r3set | hello there, does anyone know how to change home directory? |
| 14:36.22 | abrotman | !aptitude |
| 14:36.22 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 14:36.29 | r3set | !apt-get |
| 14:36.29 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 14:36.48 | abrotman | r3set: in the passwd file |
| 14:36.55 | liable | fwd: if you have dependancy problems, it says, "hey, you can remove this, this or this, or you can do this" and lets you work through various problems |
| 14:37.01 | pelzi_ | use vipw to edit passwd. |
| 14:37.07 | abrotman | fwd: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude |
| 14:37.12 | r3set | ah, thank you |
| 14:37.30 | pelzi_ | EDITOR=whateveryoulike vipw |
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| 14:38.05 | r3set | or mcedit /etc/passwd? |
| 14:38.10 | r3set | for ex. |
| 14:38.18 | pelzi_ | you should not edit it directly |
| 14:38.21 | r3set | i see |
| 14:38.23 | r3set | so there's vipw |
| 14:38.26 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 14:38.35 | pelzi_ | EDITOR=mcedit vipw |
| 14:38.51 | r3set | doesn't function here |
| 14:38.55 | r3set | nervertheless ;) |
| 14:39.01 | pelzi_ | I have edited it directly and it worked, but it is not safe and not smart to take risks... |
| 14:39.01 | r3set | i will use just vipw |
| 14:39.04 | pelzi_ | yep |
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| 14:39.57 | dutche- | does anybody has compiled cx_Oracle with Debian? |
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| 14:40.24 | grendal_prime | cx_oracle? |
| 14:40.34 | grendal_prime | this sounds interesting....what is it? |
| 14:40.50 | dutche- | grendal_prime, is a python interface for oracle |
| 14:41.05 | pelzi_ | btw, this is unbelievable. I've actually done nothing since the beginning of my holiday |
| 14:41.17 | grendal_prime | oh no, no access to an oracle server really |
| 14:41.26 | cydork | pelzi_: holiday?? |
| 14:41.32 | pelzi_ | 4 days |
| 14:41.43 | grendal_prime | pelzi_, not tru, you helped me with something...sounds like you need to find a girl buddy |
| 14:41.43 | pelzi_ | some Finnish school specialty I guess |
| 14:42.00 | grendal_prime | your in finland? |
| 14:42.02 | pelzi_ | well yes, but I've just watched stargate and irc'd |
| 14:42.04 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 14:42.20 | grendal_prime | aint that near sweden? |
| 14:42.21 | dutche- | finland? the cell phone country :) |
| 14:42.25 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 14:42.26 | grendal_prime | ya hahahaha |
| 14:42.34 | pelzi_ | and well, I don't need a girl, I have something vaguely resembling one already :P |
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| 14:42.52 | grendal_prime | we have family from sweden...they are continually amzed at how bad the cell reception is in california |
| 14:42.58 | pelzi_ | :D |
| 14:43.13 | jmspeex | abrotman: You've never had software strange things. All I can say is that it's not possible to do anything useful with the system. Sometimes I press a button and it takes ages to do anything (on an idle 2GHz dual core). The i810 driver freezes, ... |
| 14:43.14 | cydork | pelzi_: blown up dolls ? |
| 14:43.15 | dutche- | you buy refrigerant with cell calls :) |
| 14:43.21 | grendal_prime | well do you have kids yet? |
| 14:43.26 | pelzi_ | nah, he's rather alive |
| 14:43.33 | pelzi_ | at least he was the last time I saw him |
| 14:44.09 | pelzi_ | hell, I'll never have kids :P |
| 14:44.16 | cydork | pelzi_: he?? |
| 14:44.20 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 14:44.28 | grendal_prime | ooooo...ya a chick in sweden/finland...ya that would be hard to be...ive head nothing but good things about the weomen there. |
| 14:44.29 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 14:44.31 | pelzi_ | I'm gay, oh my god WTF zomg lol! |
| 14:44.55 | pelzi_ | (you know, I'll enjoy your reactions) |
| 14:45.03 | cydork | !comfort pelzi_ |
| 14:45.03 | dpkg | There, there, pelzi_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:45.03 | jmspeex | When I click on the gnome-terminal launcher, the wireframe animation takes ~15 seconds (before opening a window). |
| 14:45.27 | pelzi_ | hm... maybe I should marry dpkg. :P |
| 14:45.27 | grendal_prime | jmspeex, ya thats gnome for ya |
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| 14:45.42 | findme | how to capture streaming audio with arecord? |
| 14:45.55 | grendal_prime | !gay pelzi_ |
| 14:45.56 | jmspeex | grendal_prime: Gnome sucks, but not *that* much (on i386 at least) |
| 14:46.02 | abrotman | jmspeex: anything in the logs ? |
| 14:46.05 | Crysis-Feax | What is a uid ? |
| 14:46.07 | pelzi_ | connect line-out to line-in ;) |
| 14:46.09 | jmspeex | Yeah, I'm only having problems with amd64 |
| 14:46.10 | pelzi_ | a user id |
| 14:46.12 | cydork | Crysis-Feax: user id |
| 14:46.14 | pelzi_ | heck |
| 14:46.28 | jmspeex | abrotman: nothing interesting AFAIK. Anything in particular to look for? |
| 14:46.51 | grendal_prime | im trying out synergy at work...its pretty cool actually. |
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| 14:47.11 | Crysis-Feax | and what I need to change it for mound ? How can I know my uid ? |
| 14:47.13 | abrotman | jmspeex: in the X log for starters |
| 14:47.18 | jmspeex | FYI, I tried Ubuntu Edgy and got exactly the same problem, except that i810 is slightly less broken. |
| 14:47.25 | cydork | Crysis-Feax: type id |
| 14:47.35 | Crysis-Feax | ok I'm 1000 |
| 14:47.43 | grendal_prime | i have this 3 monitor display..windows(which is the lamest thing i have used in 5 years) and then i my laptop to the left of them...basically 4 pannels of computer..pretty cool. |
| 14:47.48 | jmspeex | abrotman: I know. I looked and found nothing interesting there. Unless you're interested in a particular bit of info. |
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| 14:48.18 | aitiba | hi |
| 14:48.19 | Crysis-Feax | So I plug my USB HD and I run "/dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1000,fmask=0333,dmask=0222" ? |
| 14:48.27 | grendal_prime | the laptop is debian stable, and there is a package for synergy |
| 14:48.30 | pelzi_ | grendal_prime: I have windows (for watching stargate), used to have one lappy with *bsd and one with linux. ;) |
| 14:48.46 | jmspeex | Yay, mouse events completely jammed |
| 14:48.49 | aitiba | someone has been installed icewesel? |
| 14:48.54 | abrotman | jmspeex: you are looking in the correct X log right ? |
| 14:48.57 | abrotman | aitiba: not in debian yet |
| 14:48.59 | pelzi_ | actually I should set up the BSD one again, just let someone borrow the HD a while ago |
| 14:49.30 | jmspeex | abrotman: is there more than one log? |
| 14:49.33 | jmspeex | X log? |
| 14:49.41 | aitiba | abrotman, I know that the package is not on debian yet but we can download the source |
| 14:49.44 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: is my line for mount: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1000,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 correct ? |
| 14:49.47 | grendal_prime | windows for stargate...aint that like some sort of geek fopa. |
| 14:50.01 | grendal_prime | fopah...how you spell that werid ass word |
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| 14:50.04 | abrotman | aitiba: okay .. maybe ask #gnu |
| 14:50.13 | abrotman | jmspeex: yes there is usually a log for the last run |
| 14:50.20 | aitiba | abrotman, thnks |
| 14:50.28 | boguh | hi, i have etch running and want to install packages from a repository from stable, how can i do that? |
| 14:50.29 | pelzi_ | grendal_prime: just didn't wanna fight with the ati driver and windows works fine for playing video |
| 14:50.29 | liable | fap fap fap |
| 14:50.36 | jmspeex | abrotman: i'm looking at Xorg.0.log |
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| 14:50.45 | pelzi_ | Crysis-Feax: it should be |
| 14:50.48 | abrotman | probably the other one |
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| 14:51.29 | Crysis-Feax | ok pelzi_ |
| 14:51.56 | abrotman | grendal_prime: faux pas |
| 14:52.26 | jmspeex | abrotman: The other log is Xorg.0.log.old, so I'm looking at the right one. |
| 14:52.26 | grendal_prime | the kids have a box with linux and the ati drivers on it. i never have to even look at the thing |
| 14:52.39 | grendal_prime | i set it up over a year ago and i rip dvds onto it. |
| 14:52.44 | pelzi_ | grendal_prime: well I'm lazy and all |
| 14:53.01 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: I have done that now how can I acces to the HD ? |
| 14:53.12 | pelzi_ | mount /dev/hdd1 |
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| 14:53.30 | grendal_prime | its a compaq deskpro, 800 mghz. with an ati 9800 radion in it...the thing rocks and it only cost me 100 bucks |
| 14:53.47 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: mount: can't find /dev/hdd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 14:54.02 | pelzi_ | hmm? |
| 14:54.09 | pelzi_ | paste the line again |
| 14:54.16 | Crysis-Feax | mount: can't find /dev/hdd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 14:54.26 | pelzi_ | no, the line in fstab :P |
| 14:54.47 | cydork | Crysis-Feax: mount /dev/hdd1 /mountpoint |
| 14:54.47 | cydork | Crysis-Feax: man mount |
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| 14:55.23 | Crysis-Feax | cydork: dont work |
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| 14:55.29 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1000,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 |
| 14:55.46 | pelzi_ | add '0 0' to the end |
| 14:55.47 | margiolas | any good way in order to set up xgl on debian etch? |
| 14:55.59 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1000,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 0 0 |
| 14:56.00 | Crysis-Feax | ? |
| 14:56.03 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 14:56.04 | grendal_prime | man pelzi_ your good...for somenoe who is gay |
| 14:56.05 | signuts | Anyone know about linux Ide controllers here? I know they're old school but I have two in a box and am receiving DMA interupt errors on only the last drive in my array. The drive is fine too. I can gurantee that. |
| 14:56.06 | grendal_prime | hahaha |
| 14:56.16 | pelzi_ | grendal_prime: lol |
| 14:56.43 | pelzi_ | well... it's not a big thing anyway |
| 14:56.43 | signuts | The controller is a PCI Promise controller, PDC20269 |
| 14:56.50 | Crysis-Feax | And now pelzi_ ? |
| 14:56.59 | pelzi_ | try to mount again |
| 14:57.01 | grendal_prime | sorry i had to .....anyway i got to roll...you good folks have a good morning ,(even the gay ones) :-) |
| 14:57.24 | margiolas | any good way in order to set up xgl on debian etch? |
| 14:57.32 | pelzi_ | I'm not the type that minds |
| 14:57.39 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: mount: can't find /dev/hdd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 14:57.57 | pelzi_ | Crysis-Feax: is it surely 1 line |
| 14:58.07 | abrotman | jmspeex: find anything ? |
| 14:58.15 | cyzie | hello, i have hp box. i cant get the box recognize the cdrom drive, hence i cant install debian on it. that box has itanium2 proc and scsi 320 |
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| 14:58.24 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: zsh: exit 1 mount /dev/hdd1 there is that after but useless |
| 14:58.40 | pelzi_ | in fstab |
| 14:58.46 | pelzi_ | pastebin the whole file |
| 14:58.55 | Crysis-Feax | /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1000,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 that ? |
| 14:59.02 | pelzi_ | yep |
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| 14:59.06 | pelzi_ | apt-get install xsel |
| 14:59.13 | pelzi_ | cat /etc/fstab | xsel |
| 14:59.17 | pelzi_ | then paste it to pastebin |
| 14:59.52 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: after done cat what I do ? There is no reply |
| 14:59.58 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 14:59.59 | jmspeex | abrotman: No. Anything in particular I should look for? |
| 15:00.01 | pelzi_ | go and paste it |
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| 15:00.07 | pelzi_ | it's on the clipboard |
| 15:00.12 | Crysis-Feax | ok |
| 15:00.12 | abrotman | jmspeex: bad lines :) |
| 15:00.16 | Crysis-Feax | !paste |
| 15:00.16 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:00.25 | cydork | pelzi_: show off! :P |
| 15:00.30 | jmspeex | abrotman: The only thing I see is that it didn't like 1920x1200, but it also did that on ia32 |
| 15:00.56 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: there is nothing in my clipboard |
| 15:01.01 | pelzi_ | middle-click |
| 15:01.04 | pelzi_ | but not here |
| 15:01.07 | abrotman | jmspeex: is it overheating maybe ? |
| 15:01.11 | jmspeex | abrotman: At this point, my mouse pointer is moving, but I can't click on anything |
| 15:01.34 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4103 |
| 15:01.39 | r3set | pelzi_ |
| 15:01.39 | jmspeex | abrotman: it's currently running at 43 degrees |
| 15:01.45 | r3set | shit happened |
| 15:01.57 | r3set | removed root out of passwd, don't know how |
| 15:02.12 | r3set | any way to fix that? |
| 15:02.14 | pelzi_ | nasty... |
| 15:02.18 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 15:02.28 | r3set | i've still got a user account |
| 15:02.46 | pelzi_ | you'll need to reboot to single user I think |
| 15:02.52 | pelzi_ | save "root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash" somewhere |
| 15:02.58 | pelzi_ | then you can add it in single user |
| 15:02.58 | incorrect | im looking for ways to improve CVS performance, |
| 15:03.07 | incorrect | google wasn't very helpful |
| 15:03.10 | r3set | reboot to singe user, what does that mean? |
| 15:03.20 | pelzi_ | you have grub? |
| 15:03.23 | r3set | no |
| 15:03.27 | pelzi_ | lilo? |
| 15:03.30 | r3set | wait.. |
| 15:03.37 | r3set | ah |
| 15:03.37 | r3set | grub |
| 15:03.39 | r3set | it's grub |
| 15:03.39 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 15:03.51 | pelzi_ | select the line with "single" |
| 15:04.07 | pelzi_ | it allows you to login (hopefully) |
| 15:04.16 | r3set | okay |
| 15:04.23 | pelzi_ | if not, pass init=/bin/sh to the kernel |
| 15:04.24 | r3set | it's a dedicated server |
| 15:04.38 | pelzi_ | oh... nasty |
| 15:04.47 | pelzi_ | you can't login? |
| 15:05.05 | r3set | i'll have to ask someone else |
| 15:05.10 | r3set | ... |
| 15:05.25 | r3set | to do that |
| 15:05.28 | r3set | to boot via vnc |
| 15:05.35 | pelzi_ | yep |
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| 15:06.06 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: did you take a look to my past ? |
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| 15:06.19 | pelzi_ | Crysis-Feax: it doesn't have the line you said :P |
| 15:06.24 | pelzi_ | where did you put it? |
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| 15:06.37 | Crysis-Feax | in the thing where I put apt-get |
| 15:07.25 | pelzi_ | um... |
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| 15:08.38 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I perform a File System Check on my external harddisk drive (USB) manually? |
| 15:08.45 | pelzi_ | fsck |
| 15:09.06 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: what can I do now ? |
| 15:09.27 | abrotman | Jemt: touch /blahblahblah/forcefsck .. remount it |
| 15:09.33 | pelzi_ | Crysis-Feax: where is the line /dev/hdd1 ... |
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| 15:09.53 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: I dont know ^^ I puted it in the shell |
| 15:10.05 | pelzi_ | no, you need to add it to /etc/fstab |
| 15:10.06 | Jemt | pelzi_: Thanks |
| 15:10.10 | Crysis-Feax | hmm ok |
| 15:10.16 | pelzi_ | then paste it again |
| 15:10.18 | Jemt | abrotman: Why do I need to create a file and mount it ? |
| 15:10.24 | Jemt | abrotman: Dosn't make sense to me ?! |
| 15:10.25 | Bushmills | r3set: what commands are available to you through sudo? |
| 15:10.29 | abrotman | Jemt: oh .. nm .. |
| 15:10.36 | Jemt | abrotman: Ok :) |
| 15:10.37 | abrotman | Jemt: then just unmonut it .. and run fsck |
| 15:10.48 | Jemt | abrotman: The drive, right ? |
| 15:10.52 | signuts | Anyone familiar with two promise PCI ide controllers causing dma interupt issues? I have two PDC20269 controllers w/ 4 drives total (2 on each) in a raid5. I oftne get DMA interupt errors during high IO |
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| 15:11.01 | r3set | sudo: no password entry for root |
| 15:11.17 | pelzi_ | maybe try sudo with numeric uid |
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| 15:11.29 | pelzi_ | signuts: I had no problems, try to change the PCI slots |
| 15:11.36 | |garo| | Can etch without X run on 16MB ? |
| 15:11.40 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 15:11.53 | signuts | pelzi_, hmm.. perhaps that's an idea but they are already on their seperate IRQs.... |
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| 15:11.58 | |garo| | and whatabout 4 ? |
| 15:12.08 | |garo| | (a standard 2.6.17 kernel) |
| 15:12.12 | pelzi_ | with swap, maybe |
| 15:12.16 | pelzi_ | probably not |
| 15:12.17 | |garo| | no swap |
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| 15:12.25 | signuts | pelzi_, I want 'em far away from eachother as I can get 'em? |
| 15:12.30 | pelzi_ | you must compile your own kernel |
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| 15:12.45 | pelzi_ | signuts: just try another slot, for some weird reason it sometimes helps |
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| 15:13.06 | signuts | pelzi_, hmmm, gotcha |
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| 15:13.11 | epsilon | for a box with 4MB, I'd take some embedded linux |
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| 15:13.19 | signuts | pelzi_, there is no way to verify this behavior? |
| 15:13.21 | |garo| | But 16MB is enough for etch with : no swap, no X and a standard 2.6.17 kernel |
| 15:13.22 | epsilon | etch is whole 'suite' |
| 15:13.30 | r3set | sudo #000 dosn't like me |
| 15:13.38 | pelzi_ | not the standard kernel |
| 15:13.40 | signuts | pelzi_, well thx, i'll give it a shot |
| 15:13.44 | pelzi_ | it won't boot |
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| 15:14.00 | |garo| | How much do i need for the standard kernel ? |
| 15:14.24 | epsilon | |garo|: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:14.29 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4104 |
| 15:14.30 | |garo| | actually, my real question is: |
| 15:15.01 | pelzi_ | Crysis-Feax: then try mount /dev/hdd1 |
| 15:15.36 | |garo| | How many memory does dom0 need at least when i have a system with xen, 1 guest system and the xen 2.6.17 kernel |
| 15:15.39 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: mount: mount point /mnt/hdd1 does not exist |
| 15:15.51 | pelzi_ | mkdir /mnt/hdd1 |
| 15:16.13 | pelzi_ | |garo|: I'd say 32m |
| 15:16.23 | pelzi_ | you need xend and all you know |
| 15:16.28 | |garo| | linux-image-2.6.17-2-xen-686 |
| 15:16.31 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: mkdir /mnt/hdd1 as root or as user ? |
| 15:16.36 | pelzi_ | as root |
| 15:16.46 | Crysis-Feax | done pelzi_ |
| 15:16.49 | jelly | 64MB and anything below makes dpkg really slow. |
| 15:16.53 | pelzi_ | then try again |
| 15:17.07 | epsilon | and 128M for X |
| 15:17.10 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: mount: special device /dev/hdd1 does not exist |
| 15:17.10 | |garo| | the problem is, i only have 128 (+ swap) |
| 15:17.26 | jelly | what's the name of Sun's Java package in unstable? |
| 15:17.27 | pelzi_ | Crysis-Feax: well which device is the drive |
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| 15:17.32 | epsilon | not much for a server with Xen |
| 15:17.34 | pelzi_ | jelly: java-package |
| 15:17.43 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: a external USB HD |
| 15:17.48 | pelzi_ | I hag 960m when I had a xen server |
| 15:17.50 | |garo| | i know, it's a testsystem |
| 15:17.53 | pelzi_ | Crysis-Feax: try sda1 |
| 15:17.57 | jelly | pelzi_: nope. |
| 15:18.00 | black_13 | when i attempt to install the subversion tools i am ask to inser the debian cdrom ... why? |
| 15:18.01 | Crysis-Feax | where ? pelzi_ |
| 15:18.07 | pelzi_ | in fstab |
| 15:18.16 | pelzi_ | replace /dev/hdd1 with /dev/sda1 |
| 15:18.17 | jelly | pelzi_: I'm not looking for the script, but for jre itself. |
| 15:18.25 | pelzi_ | jelly: is it there at all |
| 15:18.33 | jelly | pelzi_: yes it is. |
| 15:18.42 | |garo| | so 32 would work ? |
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| 15:18.51 | pelzi_ | yes, 32 is barely ok |
| 15:18.54 | drv | black_13, you have an cdrom-entry-line in /etc/apt/sources.list . Comment it out and try again |
| 15:19.17 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: done |
| 15:19.23 | drv | black_13, don't forget to apt-get update after that |
| 15:19.27 | jelly | It's called sun-java5-jdk |
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| 15:19.59 | black_13 | drv yep that was it |
| 15:20.04 | black_13 | duh! |
| 15:20.28 | pelzi_ | Crysis-Feax: no, it's sdb1, sorry :P |
| 15:20.55 | Crysis-Feax | ok and I replace just /dev/ ? not /mnt/ ? |
| 15:21.02 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 15:21.10 | Crysis-Feax | done pelzi_ |
| 15:21.20 | pelzi_ | try again then :P |
| 15:21.33 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: : mount: can't find /dev/hdd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 15:21.42 | pelzi_ | mount /dev/sdb1 |
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| 15:22.07 | Crysis-Feax | hmm pelzi_ my HD make a noise :p Now how can I acces to it ? |
| 15:22.08 | Althaser | how can I edit debian menu ? please |
| 15:22.25 | pelzi_ | Crysis-Feax: look in /mnt/hdd1 |
| 15:23.12 | Ronin | Althaser: what menu? theres quite a few |
| 15:23.30 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: thanks that work :)= |
| 15:23.42 | Althaser | Ronin I mean the menu-xdg |
| 15:24.31 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: I can't write on it ? |
| 15:24.43 | pelzi_ | ntfs is read-only for now |
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| 15:24.53 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: Can i make it wrtie ? |
| 15:25.10 | pelzi_ | that is not safe yet afaik |
| 15:25.15 | Crysis-Feax | ok :s |
| 15:25.23 | pelzi_ | reformatting it to fat32 works, of course |
| 15:25.28 | pelzi_ | but you need to backup first |
| 15:25.31 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: I can convert it |
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| 15:25.48 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: It was to FAT32 but I converted it to NTFS for copy file more than 3gbs |
| 15:25.55 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 15:25.59 | pelzi_ | that's the problem |
| 15:26.10 | pelzi_ | fat32 is a crappy filesystem |
| 15:26.25 | Crysis-Feax | yep :s |
| 15:26.26 | pelzi_ | but also the only one that works well in all operating systems |
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| 15:26.46 | Crysis-Feax | lol pelzi_ developers make debian work with NTFS !!!! ^ |
| 15:26.58 | pelzi_ | it is possible, yes |
| 15:27.10 | pelzi_ | but may cause data corruption in rare cases. |
| 15:27.23 | fwd | ntfs sucks ass ;) |
| 15:27.24 | pelzi_ | of course there is also captive-ntfs which works well but I have not used it |
| 15:27.37 | pelzi_ | ntfs is a fine FS, just not documented |
| 15:27.51 | fwd | ;) not very fine in fact |
| 15:27.58 | drv | Crysis-Feax, maybe you can try captive-ntfs project. It's an wrapper that make use of ntfs.sys(?) to read/write into ntfs partitions *securely* |
| 15:28.00 | pelzi_ | actually it is fine |
| 15:28.10 | fwd | case-preserving case-insensible |
| 15:28.11 | fwd | ;) |
| 15:28.14 | pelzi_ | it is sophisticated and all |
| 15:28.17 | drv | pelzi_, :D |
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| 15:28.23 | pelzi_ | I'd even say over-engineered |
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| 15:28.28 | Crysis-Feax | drv I dont need to format my HD ? |
| 15:28.45 | drv | Crysis-Feax, nope |
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| 15:28.46 | fwd | sophisticated != good |
| 15:28.46 | pelzi_ | actually it's not ntfs, it's the MS implementation |
| 15:28.56 | fwd | only few complex things are really good |
| 15:28.57 | Crysis-Feax | ok drv there is no risk ? How can I use it ? |
| 15:29.08 | pelzi_ | not fine as in "very good", fine as in "fine lady" ;) |
| 15:29.22 | pelzi_ | ntfs is a pita if it gets corrupted |
| 15:29.29 | fwd | it is |
| 15:29.50 | fwd | and it's a trouble when you need to reinstall os on top of it |
| 15:29.56 | drv | Crysis-Feax, It's not perfect yet |
| 15:30.01 | Crysis-Feax | pelzi_: or in my windows can I acces to my linux partition ? |
| 15:30.03 | fwd | and it's a pain when you've got to access it from other OSes |
| 15:30.17 | pelzi_ | Crysis-Feax: ext2 can be read in windows with a driver |
| 15:30.18 | Crysis-Feax | ok fwd |
| 15:30.24 | Crysis-Feax | it's ext3 |
| 15:30.33 | pelzi_ | then it is also usable |
| 15:30.34 | jelly | Crysis-Feax: that too |
| 15:30.48 | fwd | Crysis-Feax, you can |
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| 15:30.58 | fwd | there are various drivers for it |
| 15:31.05 | fwd | but they are ext2 mostly |
| 15:31.06 | jelly | !ext2fsd |
| 15:31.07 | dpkg | ext2fsd is, like, a read-only ext2 file system driver for nt/2k/xp. http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/... see also http://www.fs-driver.org/ for a rw driver. |
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| 15:31.13 | fwd | so you need to take care |
| 15:31.28 | Crysis-Feax | Ok i'l return to windows :p I need to make a tutorial with all good commands for the install of Linux ! I have take notes like a good pupil :p |
| 15:31.57 | Crysis-Feax | lol :S |
| 15:32.23 | Crysis-Feax | how can I do for don't corrupt :p |
| 15:32.26 | pelzi_ | samba is the way to go for interoperability ;) |
| 15:32.33 | jelly | but I knowingly ignored the documentation |
| 15:33.10 | jelly | also, no files were lost - it's just the fs was unmountable. |
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| 15:34.08 | pourriture | I am trying to do an install from usb stick per these directions http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en ... after I zcat boot.img.gz I cannot mount my usb stick to copy the bizcard iso to it. fdisk -l shows that the partition table for the usb stick has lots of errors (partitions not ending on cylinder boundaries and not having consistent physical/logical beginnings/endings). Can anyone offer a guess as to what I have done wrong? |
| 15:34.21 | pelzi_ | nothing |
| 15:34.32 | pelzi_ | or maybe, hmm. |
| 15:34.42 | pelzi_ | try to mount /dev/sda or whatever, not a partition |
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| 15:37.12 | pourriture | pelzi "After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sda /mnt .... " you are absolutely right ... didn't read close enogh |
| 15:37.16 | pourriture | thanks |
| 15:37.42 | pelzi_ | np |
| 15:37.48 | pelzi_ | you're not the first to miss that |
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| 15:39.03 | s-fx | can i do a net-install with pppoe ? |
| 15:39.23 | epsilon | sure |
| 15:39.40 | epsilon | with any internet connection |
| 15:39.43 | s-fx | the minimal cd brings the pppoe client ? |
| 15:39.54 | epsilon | afaik yes |
| 15:40.04 | pelzi_ | if you have supported hardware, yes I think |
| 15:40.05 | s-fx | afaik ? |
| 15:40.20 | Ronin | as far as i know |
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| 15:40.35 | s-fx | is a eth adsl modem |
| 15:40.36 | epsilon | if you have standard hardware/NIC, yes you can use netinstall |
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| 15:40.50 | s-fx | ok |
| 15:41.07 | pelzi_ | with eth adsl modems you may be able to make the modem take care of pppoe |
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| 15:44.13 | est4ble | hi manes |
| 15:44.38 | est4ble | my english is very basic, but i need your help |
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| 15:44.47 | est4ble | start |
| 15:44.50 | est4ble | ok |
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| 15:47.06 | Ronin | !tell est4ble about ask |
| 15:47.57 | awais | !tell awais about ask |
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| 15:48.15 | est4ble | in my laptop AMD turion dual core 1.6Ghz installed debian etch with example: linux-image-2.6.17-2-amd64-generic |
| 15:48.18 | jelly | awais: or just /msg dpkg ... |
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| 15:48.42 | est4ble | I like install other linux-image |
| 15:48.56 | est4ble | but, 3 opciones for me |
| 15:49.12 | est4ble | Which I install in my laptop |
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| 15:49.56 | est4ble | example: linux-image-2.6.17-2-vserver-amd64 |
| 15:50.08 | est4ble | other example: linux-image-2.6.17-2-amd64 |
| 15:50.16 | awais | jelly: cheers |
| 15:50.19 | est4ble | final example: linux-image-2.6.17-2-xen-amd64 |
| 15:50.31 | est4ble | Which? the 3 opciones |
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| 15:52.44 | r3set | peli_ , i got to know about that it's not possible to boot via grub |
| 15:52.50 | r3set | to boot another entry |
| 15:52.59 | r3set | so last would be reinstall? |
| 15:53.24 | dooglus | I've installed 'network-manager-gnome', but don't know how to run it. any suggestions please? |
| 15:54.17 | jelly | est4ble: if you don't know what vserver or xen are, do not use them. So use generic or linux-image-2.6.17-2-amd64 |
| 15:54.25 | Jemt | dooglus: network-admin |
| 15:54.39 | Jemt | dooglus: (As far as I remember :) |
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| 15:55.12 | jelly | est4ble: also try #debian-amd64 for 64bit-specific questions |
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| 15:55.21 | shastry | is there a way i can check what file is owned by what package ? |
| 15:55.25 | dooglus | Jemt: that's from gnome-system-tools, not network-manager-gnome |
| 15:55.26 | twobitsprite | what program would one use to connect over a serial line? |
| 15:55.37 | jelly | shastry: dpkg -S /some/file |
| 15:55.38 | dooglus | shastry: apt-file or dpkg -S |
| 15:55.39 | shastry | ty |
| 15:55.55 | jelly | twobitsprite: minicom? |
| 15:56.10 | twobitsprite | jelly: is that like hyperterminal in windows? |
| 15:56.14 | est4ble | jelly ok my laptop is amd64 Turion dual core TL-50 |
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| 15:56.19 | jelly | twobitsprite: yeah, pretty much. |
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| 15:56.53 | twobitsprite | jelly: right on... I remember using minicom to do dial up, but I only scripted with it... looong ago... |
| 15:56.57 | twobitsprite | thanks |
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| 15:57.33 | twobitsprite | is minicom a standard linux thing? I.e. will I find it on most systems? |
| 15:58.01 | jelly | twobitsprite: it might not be installed by default, bu it's rather old and every distribtion should have it. |
| 15:58.02 | x_link | Menu Transparent Type : Software Tint, Software Blend, XRender Blend. |
| 15:58.12 | x_link | What's the difference between those, cause I can barly see any? |
| 15:58.32 | Jemt | dooglus: Yes, that right. Sorry. Sure it's not just a program you need to add to your panel ? |
| 15:58.41 | twobitsprite | jelly: cool, thanks |
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| 16:00.14 | est4ble | es una AMD 64 Turion dual core Tl-50 1.6Ghz |
| 16:00.58 | Fox | !es |
| 16:00.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:01.34 | startxwhite | i've got a friend who wants me to install gnu/linux on his K6 450Mhz, 192MB RAM, 40 gig hd. He is unemployed and cannot upgrade his K6. i am thinking of installing etch on his PC. he wants a simple desktop pc: wordprocessing, mp3 playing and file transfers with usb pen drives and cds |
| 16:02.45 | startxwhite | his K6 is not going to have internet access. His cancelling his dialup in november 'cause he can not afford it |
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| 16:03.43 | jelly | startxwhite: things are looking brighter now that you've dropped the speech recognition requirement. ;-) |
| 16:04.14 | startxwhite | he dropped it after i told him about the geekiness of the options |
| 16:04.16 | guigouz | startxwhite, damn small linux |
| 16:04.30 | guigouz | startxwhite, or xubuntu, maybe |
| 16:04.45 | petemc | debian would be fine on it too |
| 16:04.46 | jelly | I've downloaded xubuntu and it looks promising. |
| 16:05.01 | startxwhite | ubuntu and friends is dead slow on such a box |
| 16:05.04 | jelly | Going to put it on a P3/500 128MB laptop |
| 16:05.04 | Nurbs | startxwhite: etch would work ok, you'd just have to be careful about the packages you use. |
| 16:05.11 | Nurbs | startxwhite: they all are about the same speed. |
| 16:05.21 | Nurbs | startxwhite: it depends on the applications that you install. |
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| 16:06.42 | Miesco | Is it possible to attach your computer to speakers in one room, and another pair of speakers in another room? |
| 16:06.42 | Miesco | Would I have to get another sound card? |
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| 16:06.59 | startxwhite | he wants wordprocessing fully compatible with MS Word, mp3 playing and file transfers via usb flash drives/cds without going command line for mounting/unmounting |
| 16:07.04 | jelly | xubuntu has AbiWord and Gnumeric for office apps, and xfce as DE. Gnome and OOo (especially openoffice.org 2.x) are bloated. |
| 16:07.04 | Nurbs | Miesco: many sound cards have multiple outputs or you just attach them to your amp |
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| 16:07.26 | Miesco | Nurbs: amp? |
| 16:07.33 | Nurbs | Miesco: amplifier |
| 16:07.42 | abrotman | you know .. stereo components :) |
| 16:07.53 | startxwhite | i tried installing ubuntu and friends and the pc was next to unusable |
| 16:08.15 | Miesco | Nurbs: I got a 5.1 speaker sound card, its attached to 5 speakers, I want to also attach it to the stereo upstaires |
| 16:08.41 | Miesco | Not the 5.1 to the stereo, just like for 1 speaker |
| 16:08.46 | Miesco | one input |
| 16:08.51 | abrotman | RF speakers! :) |
| 16:09.07 | Miesco | rf? |
| 16:09.12 | abrotman | !rf |
| 16:09.15 | Miesco | !rf |
| 16:09.18 | abrotman | bot? |
| 16:09.22 | startxwhite | can anyone tell me about their *personal* experiences with etch running on a K6 450 or similar? i mean desktop wise! |
| 16:09.28 | Miesco | !dpkg rf |
| 16:09.28 | abrotman | how can he not konw about RF |
| 16:09.34 | Nurbs | startxwhite: You can't get "fully compatible with MS Word", but openoffice is probably closest. mp3? some simple player, nothing fancy. there's always xmms for example. KDE? Gnome? Don't try, use a xfce or some such environment. File transfers and mounts? Write scripts to help him if the desktop environment doesn't support auto mounting and such. |
| 16:09.35 | abrotman | startxwhite: how much RAM? |
| 16:09.37 | Miesco | <dpkg> Someone already said that 3 seconds ago |
| 16:09.39 | abrotman | Miesco: he doesn't know anything |
| 16:10.00 | Miesco | abrotman: Whats rf stand for? |
| 16:10.11 | jelly | Radio Frequency? |
| 16:10.23 | jelly | Real F* huge? |
| 16:10.51 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency |
| 16:11.48 | Miesco | abrotman: Well I got another output in my sound card, its blue... |
| 16:12.02 | jelly | is there a page about known currently broken packages in etch? |
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| 16:12.20 | abrotman | jelly: bugs.debian.org |
| 16:12.41 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfTesting |
| 16:13.16 | startxwhite | Nurbs: openoffice on a K6 450 is dead slow, man! xfce is a bit geeky for his liking. writing scripts?? i am a newbie too! i know sarge does not support automounting/umounting of cds and usb pen drives out of the box, what about etch? |
| 16:13.22 | abrotman | though .. it doesn't look like it's being kept up to date |
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| 16:13.34 | abrotman | openoffice is a bit slow on every CPU |
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| 16:14.02 | Nurbs | startxwhite: gee. |
| 16:14.06 | Nurbs | startxwhite: it works. |
| 16:14.12 | odla | why do people always recommend a debian derivation (i.e. ubuntu) when people need a computer for desktop? debian works great here and that's what i would recommend not xubuntu or some crap |
| 16:14.12 | startxwhite | abrotman: 192MB RAM. he can not upgrade. he is unemployed and has to cancel his dialup in november |
| 16:14.25 | Nurbs | or use Windows. |
| 16:14.37 | jelly | odla: less work to do to set everything up. |
| 16:14.45 | Nurbs | I've installed Windows XP and Office 2003 and it works fine on a K6-2-400 :) |
| 16:14.49 | odla | jelly: and apt-get is hard? |
| 16:15.55 | awais | odla: There's nothing inherently wrong with Ubuntu. Its a nice distro. I don't know why people dislike it so much ... |
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| 16:16.20 | jelly | odla: who said apt-get, I said set _everything_ up. that includes installing a selection of packages, setting up common shortcuts for plug-n-play mounting of pen drives, and general tweaking. |
| 16:16.28 | odla | it's just doesn't make sense why folks in #debian would recommend debian to people |
| 16:16.34 | odla | wouldn't |
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| 16:16.52 | pelzi_ | debian isn't suited for everyone |
| 16:17.03 | pelzi_ | if they take the recommendation, it probably isn't |
| 16:17.03 | startxwhite | Nurb: i've got a friend running XP on a P350 128MB RAM and it is faster than gnu/linux +gnome or kde on the same hardware. Yet he wants to embrace the ideals of free software |
| 16:17.05 | jelly | odla: I wouldn't recommend debian over ubuntu to a newbie... each tool for its purpose. |
| 16:17.06 | diilbertAtWork | where is the boot log for the last boot... I am getting a bunch of errors and warnings because I changed from Kernel 2.4.27 to 2.6.16 |
| 16:17.16 | pelzi_ | if they're persistent they might be persistent enough to set it up too |
| 16:17.17 | diilbertAtWork | And think I need to get them fixed up |
| 16:17.31 | odla | i would recommend debian to a newbie...etch is really easy to install and everything works out of the box just like ubuntu |
| 16:17.34 | Nurbs | startxwhite: He's gotta live with geekiness or slowness then, I suppose ... :-) |
| 16:17.40 | r3set | is there a reboot command to tell grub to boot another entry? |
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| 16:17.44 | diilbertAtWork | I am gtting a few hardware problems and it is prolly because of misconfig |
| 16:17.45 | r3set | as user... |
| 16:17.50 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 16:17.52 | r3set | okay |
| 16:17.57 | pelzi_ | you just need phys access |
| 16:18.41 | awais | odla: you'd recommend testing to a new user? Great. |
| 16:18.50 | Nurbs | startxwhite: it's possible to optimize, of course, but that requires some experience. there's no distribution which will give you the same apps but way faster out of the box... otherwise everybody would be doing it. |
| 16:19.03 | odla | awais: etch will be released in a few months...it's quite stable now |
| 16:19.06 | diilbertAtWork | Anyone ? |
| 16:19.17 | pelzi_ | see /var/log |
| 16:19.29 | pelzi_ | at least it has dmesg |
| 16:19.45 | startxwhite | Nurbs: funny thing, he wanted -until last night- voice recognition like Dragon 7 whcih works ok on his K6 at present... |
| 16:20.02 | Nurbs | diilbertAtWork: bootlog itself won't work with 2.6 most of the time. |
| 16:20.09 | Miesco | If I attach another set of speakers to my sound card will they use a different device in /dev? |
| 16:20.19 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 16:20.28 | pelzi_ | they use different channels in the same device |
| 16:20.30 | SerajewelKS | Miesco: not unless the card presents two devices to the kernel |
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| 16:20.55 | Jemt | jooopyme: Was it you looking for the Network Manager application ? |
| 16:20.56 | odla | regardless i wouldn't recommend ubuntu to anyone that i wouldn't recommend debian too. debian works great as a desktop and as a server |
| 16:21.04 | Miesco | Well I plugged another set of speakers into the unused blue output and nothing comes from it |
| 16:21.27 | SerajewelKS | Miesco: are you playing any surround audio? |
| 16:21.28 | diilbertAtWork | Nurbs: I see errors and warnings flashing by at boot time, but there is no way to remember them all... is this stuff logged anyway ? |
| 16:21.31 | pelzi_ | because it's the back channels... |
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| 16:21.42 | kados | what's a good iptables configuration utility for debian sarge? |
| 16:21.43 | startxwhite | Nurbs: actually ubuntu and friends does what he *now* wants but only if he upgrade his box which is not possible because he is going thru a very bad patch money wise |
| 16:21.44 | awais | odla: regardless of whether its stable or not. It's currently testing. Not release quality ... you'd recommend it to a newbie? There are over 800 critical bugs ... |
| 16:22.02 | jelly | awais: still, it's better than sarge for a desktop. |
| 16:22.38 | Nurbs | startxwhite: then he'll have to make some sacrifices for now. |
| 16:22.40 | diilbertAtWork | *anywhere |
| 16:22.44 | odla | awais: testing is probably as stable if not more stable than the current ubuntu release |
| 16:22.45 | SerajewelKS | awais: i installed etch for a friend of mine. he hasn't used linux before and he alreadly wants to use it on his desktop |
| 16:23.14 | SerajewelKS | awais: (but his desktop has unsupported hardware) |
| 16:24.17 | startxwhite | Nurbs: what kind of sacrifices in detail? |
| 16:24.37 | Nurbs | startxwhite: 1) speed 2) comfort 3) ideals. choose at least one. |
| 16:25.15 | Nurbs | startxwhite: 4) time might be another option. if he spends time learning and optimizing he might have to invest less of the others. |
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| 16:25.45 | Nurbs | startxwhite: 5) functionality ... I suppose you get the point. |
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| 16:26.09 | startxwhite | i do know he does like things which are complicated even though he was taken by the words of His Holiness |
| 16:26.23 | startxwhite | sorry, he does not like |
| 16:26.27 | awais | odla: what do you base that assumption on? |
| 16:26.38 | Nurbs | startxwhite: heh |
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| 16:26.52 | Nurbs | startxwhite: I won't make a comment on that one. |
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| 16:27.12 | startxwhite | Nurbs: he does not like complicated things, he is not keen on the command line. i know that for a fact |
| 16:27.31 | odla | awais: i've installed dapper on some of my friends computers and they've had nothing but issues and instability and when i installed etch things worked that didn't in dapper |
| 16:27.55 | awais | SerajewelKS: Will your friend be happy to fiddle around with the apt-sources to get a sec update that hasn't been pushed to testing yet to fix a remote root exploit? |
| 16:27.58 | odla | awais: it's all about choice but i just think #debian is the wrong place to recommend ubuntu to folks - that's all |
| 16:28.16 | startxwhite | odla: did you install etch on a K450 or slower to be used as a newbie desktop? |
| 16:28.34 | SerajewelKS | awais: i wouldn't doubt it, he's learning quick. already tweaking iptables. |
| 16:28.35 | odla | startxwhite: i haven't done that |
| 16:29.06 | SerajewelKS | awais: we're on a university lan anyway. not a lot of linux users here, let alone ones that could pull off such an exploit |
| 16:29.07 | awais | SerajewelKS: that's not your average windows user moving to Linux then is it? :) |
| 16:29.34 | SerajewelKS | awais: well he's using some template lines i gave him |
| 16:29.48 | SerajewelKS | awais: he couldn't write one up but knows what the template means |
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| 16:30.46 | startxwhite | odla: have you read my first message??? |
| 16:31.38 | awais | SerajewelKS: The point I was trying to make is recommending testing to a complete newbie is probably not a very good idea. |
| 16:31.55 | pelzi_ | then we shouldn't recommend ubuntu either |
| 16:32.05 | odla | startxwhite: your friend has slow hardware and you're wondering if debian is right for him? well i would recommend installing xfce and gnome-office |
| 16:32.15 | pelzi_ | so what do we do? tell them to go to windows? |
| 16:32.23 | SerajewelKS | awais: it's not more insecure than XP, and on a private LAN it's not an issue really |
| 16:32.32 | Rhizome | Anyone know how to make screen scrollable? |
| 16:32.58 | SerajewelKS | Rhizome: ctrl alt + |
| 16:33.04 | pelzi_ | Rhizome: screen has scrolling in itself |
| 16:33.08 | odla | startxwhite: but if your friend doesn't have internet i'd wait till etch is released and install that then |
| 16:33.15 | SerajewelKS | oh screen, whoops |
| 16:33.25 | Rhizome | hm ;) |
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| 16:33.49 | Rhizome | pelzi_: but how do we scroll? ;) |
| 16:34.01 | pelzi_ | Rhizome: read the man, I don't remember ;) |
| 16:34.09 | pelzi_ | I just know you can |
| 16:34.12 | SerajewelKS | Rhizome: try shift+pgup |
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| 16:34.20 | Rhizome | hehe, I've been thinking about it forever but never bothered to find out :P |
| 16:34.42 | Rhizome | shift+pgup will sscroll past the "screen" |
| 16:34.44 | Nurbs | startxwhite: the major point is: you'll have to choose a set of suitable applications, no matter which distribution you choose. |
| 16:34.51 | awais | SerajewelKS: It well could be less secure if a new remote root exploit were discovered and the update was not pushed out quick enough. Anyway I wasn't talking about a specific scenario where you have a LAN with a few users... |
| 16:34.53 | SerajewelKS | Rhizome: ah |
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| 16:35.03 | jplibre | diilbertAtWork: what sort of errors - check 'dmesg' first |
| 16:35.14 | SerajewelKS | awais: there's a security repo for testing |
| 16:35.37 | awais | pelzi_: dunno...sarge or ubuntu :p ..at least until etch is released... |
| 16:35.40 | SerajewelKS | !secure testing |
| 16:35.40 | dpkg | testing security is probably Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch, or ask me about <testing security key> |
| 16:36.00 | shastry | where should i put custom directives for particular directories in apache2 ? |
| 16:36.01 | pelzi_ | awais: honestly ubuntu is no better |
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| 16:36.19 | shastry | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.32 | SerajewelKS | shastry: maybe in the vhost? |
| 16:36.44 | SerajewelKS | shastry: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 16:36.46 | withayanda | what's the difference between ttf and xfonts? |
| 16:36.51 | shastry | SerajewelKS: wont that be rewritten if i update apache ? |
| 16:36.53 | awais | SerajewelKS: True, but they are under no obligation to push updates out to it in a hurry... focus will always be on stable first |
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| 16:36.58 | SerajewelKS | shastry: no |
| 16:37.10 | shastry | ah ok |
| 16:37.14 | pelzi_ | debian won't overwrite your config |
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| 16:37.25 | shastry | nice :) |
| 16:37.34 | SerajewelKS | awais: iirc it's two different groups taking care of the two security repos |
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| 16:38.02 | shastry | also, is it a good idea to edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default or make a copy and edit and enable thie new oe ? |
| 16:38.16 | SerajewelKS | shastry: whatever you want to do |
| 16:38.19 | Rhizome | lol, you can press ctrl+a ESC to enter "scrollback mode" |
| 16:38.20 | Rhizome | ;) |
| 16:38.22 | shastry | ty |
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| 16:39.17 | xjkx | what if i make a magazine, am I forced to say where i got every damn news?like telling alll my news online source? |
| 16:39.33 | pestilence | i have 7 scsi raids attached to my computer, and i would like to have them auto mounted...unfortunately, if one of the raids goes down, the device entries /dev/sd* all get relabeled. how do people deal with this? |
| 16:39.50 | diilbertAtWork | jplibre: I am not sure, that is why I wanted to know where the log was... because I thought the start up errors were logged in /var/log or something |
| 16:39.57 | rgsteele | Ok, I'm pretty pissed. I did an apt-get install on a package that (apparently) conflicted with some other packages...and dpkg, without asking me if I wanted to proceed, removed all those conflicting packages and their configs |
| 16:40.24 | rgsteele | Is there a way to tell dpkg to hold the fscking train up and prompt to remove packages? |
| 16:40.24 | diilbertAtWork | I am pretty sure it is not suppose to do that |
| 16:40.27 | pestilence | additionally, my home directory is a SATA hardware raid (loaded with the "megaraid" driver), and gets labeled *after* the other scsi raids...so if one of them goes down, my home directory entry in /etc/fstab is screwed. |
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| 16:40.53 | awais | pestilence: e2label, then mount the labels |
| 16:41.35 | pestilence | awais, could you explain what "mount the labels" means? |
| 16:41.54 | pelzi_ | man e2label |
| 16:42.00 | pelzi_ | google e2label |
| 16:42.00 | SerajewelKS | rgsteele: it shold not have removed any modified configs |
| 16:42.00 | Nurbs | pestilence: or use LVM. or use persistent device names with udev (/dev/disk/by-{id,path,label,uuid}) or ... |
| 16:42.01 | rgsteele | So, any takers? ...that behavior is just unacceptable. |
| 16:42.04 | Rhizome | mounting by name rather than devices |
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| 16:42.22 | Rhizome | rgsteele: It shouldn't behave like that |
| 16:42.30 | Rhizome | rgsteele: what command di you run? |
| 16:42.31 | rgsteele | Well, it should at least *prompt* me to remove packages, if it feels there are conflicts |
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| 16:42.35 | rgsteele | apt-get install foo |
| 16:42.36 | Nurbs | pestilence: also, if it was a RAID you should probably only see 1 device. |
| 16:42.37 | startxwhite | odla: are you running etch? |
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| 16:42.51 | diilbertAtWork | Specifically I have been howing problems with some USB devices communicating properly... this may or may not have to do with the errors... |
| 16:42.52 | pestilence | Nurbs, well, i have about 7 different external raids. |
| 16:42.59 | SerajewelKS | rgsteele: apt-get does prompt you if you need to install extra packages or remove anything |
| 16:43.03 | Nurbs | pestilence: mkay. |
| 16:43.06 | pestilence | Nurbs, so for each different raid, i see one device. |
| 16:43.09 | tryoroot | hy shastry |
| 16:43.17 | shastry | yo! |
| 16:43.29 | SerajewelKS | rgsteele: and it should not ever remove configs, at least not ones that you've changed |
| 16:43.34 | tryoroot | so i banned :( maybe I need to spam less. |
| 16:43.37 | rgsteele | SerajewelKS: Join flood, I'll show you the output |
| 16:43.45 | shastry | lol |
| 16:43.46 | Nurbs | pestilence: with that amount of storage you might be interested in LVM or even EVMS anyway. |
| 16:43.55 | tryoroot | what lol? |
| 16:43.58 | awais | pestilence: basically, instead of mounting the device, your'e mounting the filesystem which has that label. So it doesn't matter what the device is mapped in as, sda0/sda1 whatever... |
| 16:44.08 | shastry | nothing nothing :) |
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| 16:44.11 | pestilence | awais, that sounds like what i want. |
| 16:44.19 | BleSS | how add a tool to menu? I just installing rapidsvn but it is not shown there |
| 16:44.23 | tryoroot | wait a minute |
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| 16:44.31 | pestilence | Nurbs, i'm not familiar with LVM, but i'll look into it |
| 16:44.52 | pestilence | Nurbs, it is quite a lot of storage, though (several terabytes) |
| 16:44.57 | pelzi_ | lvm can be a pain, but also useful |
| 16:45.06 | pelzi_ | be your own judge |
| 16:45.07 | awais | pestilence: man 5 fstab and lookup LABEL |
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| 16:45.22 | odla | startxwhite: i'm running sid |
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| 16:45.49 | pestilence | awais, great...i think that's exactly what i wanted! |
| 16:46.08 | startxwhite | Nurbs: not so. he can not run fedora. the installer even the text one aborts. with suse same story. he had to choose between slackware and debian and recommended debian but which one shall i install on his k6, sarge or etch? |
| 16:46.28 | freight | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.31 | xjkx | what if i make a magazine, am I forced to say where i got every damn news?like telling alll my news online source? |
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| 16:46.47 | pelzi_ | if copyrighted, yes |
| 16:46.49 | shastry | freight: what exactly did i do? |
| 16:46.51 | nethenson | hello |
| 16:46.54 | shastry | i don't even know that guy.. |
| 16:46.56 | startxwhite | if anyone here is running etch on a K6 450 or *similar* plz let me know |
| 16:47.09 | Nurbs | startxwhite: what use would that have? |
| 16:47.10 | freight | spam stupid questions |
| 16:47.26 | pelzi_ | startxwhite: on a PII 400 but it's a server ;) |
| 16:47.33 | shastry | do you have another channel for newbies ? |
| 16:47.37 | shastry | i'm very new to debian |
| 16:47.42 | SerajewelKS | !ops freight troll |
| 16:47.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: serajewelks complains about: freight troll |
| 16:47.46 | startxwhite | i've got a friend who wants me to install gnu/linux on his K6 450Mhz, 192MB RAM, 40 gig hd. He is unemployed and cannot upgrade his K6. i am thinking of installing etch on his PC. he wants a simple desktop pc: wordprocessing, mp3 playing and file transfers with usb pen drives and cds |
| 16:47.54 | mentor | hmm |
| 16:47.57 | startxwhite | Nurbs: read the above |
| 16:48.04 | sparr | I want to put a fake entry in /proc/mounts, is that possible? |
| 16:48.04 | freight | I am newbie but not newbie |
| 16:48.16 | mentor | freight: Do you have a question about Debian? |
| 16:48.16 | Nurbs | startxwhite: I read it like a hundred times by now. |
| 16:48.20 | Coweater | startxwhite: do it |
| 16:48.20 | shastry | *sigh* this is going nowhere. i'll get back to work |
| 16:48.23 | freight | no |
| 16:48.30 | freight | ah... I have |
| 16:49.01 | Coweater | the k6 is pretty irrelevant to the question |
| 16:49.14 | Nurbs | startxwhite: Install etch if you want to. It can work. It might not and that's probably because you're not experienced enough to get it working fine in that case. Etch can do it, you might not be able to do it, though. |
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| 16:49.25 | startxwhite | i want to know about users running etch on a K6 450 or similar first |
| 16:49.35 | Braindead | startxwhite: it runs. |
| 16:49.52 | Braindead | xfce + gnome-office as they told ya |
| 16:49.58 | Coweater | what's there to know? it's a slow machine, some stuff will be slow |
| 16:50.05 | startxwhite | Brain dead: are you running etch on a K6? |
| 16:50.17 | Braindead | startxwhite: does it really matter? |
| 16:50.21 | startxwhite | yes! |
| 16:50.25 | Coweater | no it doesn't |
| 16:50.28 | Nurbs | startxwhite: it fucking works. |
| 16:50.29 | startxwhite | yes! |
| 16:50.44 | r3set | pelzi_ |
| 16:50.44 | startxwhite | Nurbs:are you running etch on a K6? |
| 16:50.47 | Nurbs | I love that word. fuck. to fuck. fucking. |
| 16:50.48 | r3set | we've got a solution |
| 16:50.51 | Coweater | it really is irrelevant, unless you're looking for benchmarks and even if i had a k6 setup i wouldn't benchmark things for you |
| 16:50.52 | Braindead | startxwhite: yes. now stfu and go install etch |
| 16:50.58 | r3set | it's possible to boot a recoverysystem via webinterface |
| 16:51.01 | Nurbs | startxwhite: no, but I'm experienced enough to know what works and what doesn't. |
| 16:51.10 | pelzi_ | r3set: cool |
| 16:51.16 | r3set | so it's the best way to edit that file manually now? |
| 16:51.31 | pelzi_ | r3set: probably |
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| 16:52.44 | cplx | Hi, im tryign to setup a control panel with debian.. mysql isnt allowing it once its started.. i try view the page.. ie: https://blah:81 it comes up with "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /etc/webcp/web/init.inc.phps on line 28" |
| 16:52.51 | startxwhite | what are the differences between etch and sarge in regards to *ease of use* and automatic mounting/umounting in particular? |
| 16:53.59 | SerajewelKS | cplx: install the mysql extension for the version of php you are using |
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| 16:54.17 | helo | startxwhite: etch uses a 2.6 kernel, which supports HAL, which is required for automounting... sarge uses 2.4 by default (although you can upgrade to 2.6) |
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| 16:54.41 | cplx | SerajewelKS: could you assist me on doing that please? |
| 16:54.46 | SerajewelKS | cplx: apt-get install php4-mysql # or php5-mysql |
| 16:54.47 | Nurbs | sarge can be installed with 2.6 by default, too, iirc, by just using linux26 |
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| 16:56.01 | helo | startxwhite: you should know that "out of the repo" etch nor sarge will automount a thumb drive if it isn't a journaled fs (no windows thumb drives) |
| 16:56.15 | helo | cdrom automounting should work fine though |
| 16:56.35 | helo | i think it looks for reiser and ext3 iirc |
| 16:56.53 | pelzi_ | what's the point with that... |
| 16:56.56 | helo | ext2 and ext3 |
| 16:56.57 | cplx | SerajewelKS: thanks, you know anything about web-cp |
| 16:57.06 | SerajewelKS | cplx: nope |
| 16:57.30 | helo | pelzi_: preventing data corruption from someone pulling out a thumb drive before the data is synced |
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| 16:57.51 | pelzi_ | helo: no, that does not help, and a normal fs could be mounted sync. |
| 16:57.59 | SerajewelKS | helo: so it should mount with -o sync |
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| 16:58.13 | SerajewelKS | helo: which is what my udev rules do actually |
| 16:59.02 | SerajewelKS | besides having a copy take 0 seconds when it really takes 10 behind the scenes isn't helpful to the user |
| 16:59.07 | Nurbs | -o sync doesn't equate a clean umount and only applies to some fs. |
| 16:59.25 | pelzi_ | neither does a journal |
| 16:59.27 | helo | hmm... i was wrong |
| 16:59.33 | Nurbs | right |
| 16:59.46 | Nurbs | and a journal doesn't prevent data corruption necessarily |
| 16:59.48 | helo | from /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf: "WARNING! The vfat filesystem does not yet fully implement sync-mounting." |
| 16:59.54 | Nurbs | it's mainly used to prevent fs corruption. |
| 17:00.00 | Nurbs | meta-data corruption that is. |
| 17:00.10 | pelzi_ | actually it is used to speed up fsck |
| 17:00.25 | cplx | SerajewelKS: im still getting that message, im running php4-mysql |
| 17:00.31 | pelzi_ | it doesn't prevent corruption, just helps fsck fix it faster and better |
| 17:00.45 | SerajewelKS | cplx: on sarge? |
| 17:00.48 | cplx | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 17:00.50 | sll | hi! I'm have a core 2 duo, wich one of this I need? [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] |
| 17:00.53 | Nurbs | that's another pov ;-) |
| 17:00.59 | helo | sll: s390 |
| 17:01.16 | SerajewelKS | cplx: edit your php4.ini or whatever and uncomment the line #extension=mysql.so |
| 17:01.19 | sll | helo: sure? |
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| 17:01.24 | helo | sll: actually i386 might work a little better :) |
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| 17:01.53 | SerajewelKS | cplx: then restart apache |
| 17:01.54 | Nurbs | core 2 duo? doesn't that support amd64, too? |
| 17:02.05 | sll | oky, perhaps I put a 386 and s390 in other partition |
| 17:02.07 | helo | the test i did using ext3 and sync'd automount resulted in some pretty bad data corruption :) |
| 17:02.07 | Nurbs | gee, I need to get up-to-date on current CPUs :-S |
| 17:02.16 | helo | sll: no, i was joking with s390 |
| 17:02.19 | Nurbs | sll: forget about s390. :) |
| 17:02.23 | sll | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 17:02.34 | sll | I'm not an expert... |
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| 17:02.46 | piper69 | hi all |
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| 17:03.00 | r3set | hi |
| 17:03.10 | cplx | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /etc/webcp/web/init.inc.phps on line 28 |
| 17:03.10 | piper69 | !tell apache |
| 17:03.15 | cplx | still doing it hmmm |
| 17:03.26 | SerajewelKS | cplx: restarted apache? |
| 17:03.27 | cplx | apache with php5 |
| 17:03.28 | cplx | yep |
| 17:03.33 | cplx | or apache2 with php5 |
| 17:03.34 | SerajewelKS | cplx: php5? |
| 17:03.48 | piper69 | !tell me apache |
| 17:03.49 | SerajewelKS | cplx: so why are you using php4-mysql? |
| 17:04.07 | SerajewelKS | cplx: are you using backports? php5 doesn't exist on sarge. |
| 17:04.16 | Nurbs | sll: you can run amd64 from what I know, which is a 64 bit build of Debian. Some programs don't work or don't work that well on amd64 yet, though. i386 is the 32 bit build which should work fine. |
| 17:04.36 | Braindead | Nurbs: INTEL core duo. not amd64 |
| 17:04.37 | SerajewelKS | !tell piper69 about msg the bot |
| 17:04.38 | pelzi_ | core2 duo is intel |
| 17:04.43 | pelzi_ | not amd :P |
| 17:04.45 | Nurbs | so? |
| 17:04.53 | Nurbs | EM64T is supported by amd64, isn't it? |
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| 17:05.00 | cplx | SerajewelKS: maybe this isnt sarge |
| 17:05.02 | cplx | sorry |
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| 17:05.05 | pelzi_ | do you honestly think intel would make anything compatible with amd ;) |
| 17:05.10 | Nurbs | yes. |
| 17:05.16 | pelzi_ | that would be so embarrassing for them... |
| 17:05.19 | SerajewelKS | cplx: if you are using php5 then you need php5-mysql |
| 17:05.21 | Nurbs | in that case it's sufficiently compatible. |
| 17:05.23 | sll | Nurbs, I want solve this question |
| 17:05.30 | pelzi_ | i386. |
| 17:05.37 | piper69 | can someone help me please, i am trying to learn php and for me to do that i have to have something to test on |
| 17:05.40 | helo | sll: to be safe, use i386... if you want to experiment, you can try amd64 |
| 17:05.41 | cplx | SerajewelKS: yes got them both now |
| 17:05.42 | piper69 | oppps |
| 17:05.45 | Nurbs | sll: I answered it. I recommend i386 and if you're adventurous try amd64 at some point. |
| 17:05.47 | cplx | SerajewelKS: still getting the error. Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /etc/webcp/web/init.inc.phps on line 28 |
| 17:05.55 | SerajewelKS | cplx: you don't need php4-mysql |
| 17:06.03 | SerajewelKS | cplx: did you restart apache2? |
| 17:06.19 | sll | I tryed with ubuntu for amd, and was fine |
| 17:06.29 | sll | but I want only a debian |
| 17:06.36 | cplx | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 17:06.40 | Braindead | http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/index.en.html ,it's supposed after all |
| 17:06.46 | Braindead | sll: what's wrong with ubuntu? |
| 17:06.55 | Nurbs | what's wrong with debian? ;) |
| 17:07.12 | sll | :| |
| 17:07.25 | SerajewelKS | cplx: no clue then. try editing your php.ini again, make sure that extension=mysql.o is in there, and restart apache |
| 17:07.28 | helo | Nurbs: it's enunciation isn't apparent from it's spelling |
| 17:07.29 | Nurbs | pelzi_: Intel took AMD64 with some minor mods and labelled it EM64T. |
| 17:07.36 | SerajewelKS | cplx: .so rather |
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| 17:07.57 | SerajewelKS | helo: deb-ee-in =) |
| 17:08.25 | helo | Nurbs: generally resulting in inconsistency with the pronunciation of it's package file format extension |
| 17:09.14 | helo | "day-bee-uhn" vs "deh-bee-uhn" |
| 17:09.19 | Nurbs | helo: All germans use a consistent german "depp" pronounciation there :o) |
| 17:09.19 | piper69 | anyone to guide me please? |
| 17:09.33 | cplx | SerajewelKS: now when I go to it, it asks me to download the index |
| 17:09.35 | SerajewelKS | helo: i hear "dee-bee-in" all the time |
| 17:09.41 | SerajewelKS | helo: annoying as hell |
| 17:09.44 | odla | SerajewelKS: i thought it was deb - ian |
| 17:09.46 | cplx | SerajewelKS: so it must not be reading PHP extensions? |
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| 17:09.51 | Braindead | !tell piper69 about php |
| 17:09.55 | SerajewelKS | odla: yes, deb-ee-in |
| 17:09.56 | odla | as in ee-an |
| 17:10.03 | odla | :D |
| 17:10.08 | r3set | is passwd- a backup of passwd? |
| 17:10.11 | Nurbs | polygamy would've made debian even harder to pronounce. |
| 17:10.11 | Braindead | deb as in deborah,ian as in...ian |
| 17:10.15 | pelzi_ | I say "deb-ih-ah-n", because that's how it works in Finnish |
| 17:10.22 | SerajewelKS | odla: i just meant that i hear people using dee-bee-in all the time |
| 17:10.24 | Braindead | I say it PERKELE |
| 17:10.24 | pelzi_ | r3set: probably |
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| 17:10.34 | r3set | probably also think so |
| 17:10.47 | pelzi_ | then I'll call it VITTU |
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| 17:10.53 | Braindead | haista vittu! |
| 17:11.02 | pelzi_ | haista ite |
| 17:11.05 | cplx | SerajewelKS: any idea? |
| 17:11.09 | pelzi_ | mieluummin kyrpä! |
| 17:11.18 | SerajewelKS | !any ideas |
| 17:11.18 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 three-legged ostriches. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 17:12.15 | SerajewelKS | cplx: no clue. it's just worked for me. |
| 17:12.16 | helo | so no "day-be-wtfbbq" pronouncers? |
| 17:12.16 | Braindead | ite? |
| 17:12.16 | piper69 | Braindead: that is nice of you, but as i told you i am trying to learn it , so i don't know what is the diffrent between php4 or 5 , i thought i could start first by installing it. i did apt-get install php but nothing happen |
| 17:12.16 | startxwhite | with sarge you just need cd1 to install a working desktop inc kde or gnome. what about etch? |
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| 17:12.25 | Braindead | piper69: so? where you waiting for the php fairy to pop out? |
| 17:12.45 | Braindead | s/where/were |
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| 17:14.43 | piper69 | Braindead: be easy on me ;) |
| 17:14.55 | piper69 | Braindead: will you help please |
| 17:15.01 | Braindead | be easy on me too. and just READ again what dpkg told ya |
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| 17:16.30 | piper69 | Braindead: i did apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 17:17.24 | Braindead | now go on www.php.net and #php. this is not #php-for-dummies-without-any-hint-of-a-clue. if you've got a SPECIFIC problem we may help you |
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| 17:18.34 | piper69 | Braindead: i can't start it, just show me how to start it and i will get off of your back =) |
| 17:19.23 | Braindead | start what? write a .php and let apache serve it |
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| 17:21.24 | administrator__ | i am unable to mount an NFS share -- "failed, reason given by server: Permission denied" |
| 17:21.49 | administrator__ | but i have done this a thousand times -- i think my server is not exporting it correctly |
| 17:23.12 | Braindead | piper69: /usr/share/doc/php4-common/README.Debian.gz |
| 17:23.52 | piper69 | Braindead: got it thank you so much for all your help |
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| 17:24.45 | startxwhite | with sarge you just need cd1 to install a working desktop inc kde or gnome. what about etch? does the latest openffice version *downloaded from the openoffice web site* (not debs) install easily on etch without tweaking or having to install extra libraries/dependencies?? |
| 17:25.13 | Braindead | startxwhite: which part of "gnome-office" for that k6 you didn't actually get? |
| 17:25.59 | Braindead | k6 with 192 megs + OO.org = no fucking way |
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| 17:26.56 | startxwhite | Braindead: gnome-office is not as compatible with ms office as openoffice |
| 17:27.07 | pelzi_ | ... |
| 17:27.17 | Braindead | startxwhite: which part of NO FUCKING WAY you didn't get now? |
| 17:27.17 | pelzi_ | Braindead: let's ignore |
| 17:27.37 | startxwhite | Braindead: you are indeed! |
| 17:27.57 | Braindead | wow. jokes on the names/nicks. just like in third grade |
| 17:28.10 | pelzi_ | anna olla |
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| 17:28.31 | startxwhite | Braindead: you are indeed first grade! |
| 17:28.43 | pelzi_ | kolmasluokkalaisen kanssa ei kannata puhua |
| 17:28.43 | r3set | pelzi_ , thank you for your help |
| 17:28.49 | pelzi_ | r3set: np |
| 17:28.49 | r3set | editing passwd worked out great |
| 17:28.51 | SerajewelKS | startxwhite: Braindead: use /ignore please |
| 17:29.04 | simonrvn | some people don't have the maturity to come up with decent insults. or, even better, counter-points to a point that they disagree |
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| 17:29.24 | Braindead | pelzi_: I don't actually understand finnish that much. all I know is pretty much swearing and such :) |
| 17:29.33 | bronze_|| | simonrvn: oh yeah? sez you! |
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| 17:29.43 | Joadas | hi |
| 17:29.43 | pelzi_ | Braindead: well, nothing important ;) |
| 17:29.46 | simonrvn | see what i mean? ;p |
| 17:29.53 | bronze_|| | heh. |
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| 17:29.58 | simonrvn | bronze_||: :) |
| 17:30.14 | simonrvn | all meant in good fun that one |
| 17:30.23 | startxwhite | SerajewelKS: we should be fighting infidels! |
| 17:30.28 | bronze_|| | simonrvn: I'try a snappy retort but I just don't have any.. So I had to go for irony... :-) |
| 17:30.35 | simonrvn | bronze_||: hehe |
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| 17:30.49 | startxwhite | and not devotees |
| 17:31.02 | startxwhite | and not devotees! |
| 17:31.10 | administrator__ | any NFS experts? |
| 17:31.19 | SerajewelKS | startxwhite: yes, please take your own advice then |
| 17:31.28 | simonrvn | administrator__: does the client have permission to mount it? |
| 17:31.36 | administrator__ | simonrvn, i cant even do it on the server! |
| 17:31.43 | startxwhite | SerajewelKS: is Braindead a devotee? |
| 17:31.43 | pelzi_ | so? |
| 17:31.52 | administrator__ | simonrvn, sudo mount -t nfs 127.0.0.1:/store /tmp/nfs/ |
| 17:31.53 | pelzi_ | by default localhost is not allowed |
| 17:32.09 | simonrvn | administrator__: then your /etc/exports is fubar in some way |
| 17:32.16 | administrator__ | ok, but i do have my ip allowed |
| 17:32.29 | administrator__ | simonrvn, /store 172.16.0.0/255.240.0.0(rw,sync) |
| 17:32.44 | administrator__ | simonrvn, client ip => 172.31.22.4 |
| 17:32.55 | pelzi_ | sounds like bad CIDR |
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| 17:33.03 | simonrvn | mm |
| 17:33.06 | administrator__ | pelzi_, same even if i hard code to ip |
| 17:33.14 | administrator__ | and the CIDR is fine |
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| 17:33.50 | administrator__ | this isnt my first NFS setup |
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| 17:36.01 | Crysis-Feax | how can I change the sensibility of my mouse ? |
| 17:36.19 | administrator__ | Crysis-Feax, sensible to buy a new mouse |
| 17:36.22 | prolific | Take it out once and a while |
| 17:36.24 | startxwhite | SerajewelKS: that was my point! |
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| 17:36.26 | simonrvn | in english it's "sensitivity" |
| 17:36.39 | SerajewelKS | startxwhite: what was your point |
| 17:36.55 | Crysis-Feax | administrator__: good joke, I have a razer diamondback :) |
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| 17:37.28 | startxwhite | SerajewelKS: we should be fighting infidels! |
| 17:37.35 | administrator__ | Crysis-Feax, the company that went out of bizzy?! |
| 17:37.48 | simonrvn | startxwhite: um, what? |
| 17:37.48 | startxwhite | and not devotees! |
| 17:37.57 | SerajewelKS | startxwhite: just because you don't like someone's advice doesn't make them an "infidel." go away. |
| 17:37.59 | Crysis-Feax | How can I change the sensivity of my mouse with KDE please ? |
| 17:38.13 | simonrvn | Crysis-Feax: there's a thing in the control panel to do it |
| 17:38.16 | SerajewelKS | Crysis-Feax: control center > peripherals > mouse |
| 17:38.20 | simonrvn | under peripherals |
| 17:38.31 | startxwhite | SerajewelKS: that is why i asked: is Braindead a devotee? |
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| 17:38.40 | SerajewelKS | Crysis-Feax: it's really well hidden. there's no way you'd ever find out without asking us. |
| 17:38.46 | simonrvn | you can do it with gnome too, and in "plain" x, with xset |
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| 17:38.58 | SerajewelKS | startxwhite: that is irrelevant |
| 17:39.01 | simonrvn | (gnome has a similar thing to kde) |
| 17:39.14 | startxwhite | SerajewelKS: it is not a question or liking or disliking advice. it is a question of principles and faith! |
| 17:39.18 | simonrvn | startxwhite: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 17:39.27 | SerajewelKS | god someone shut this troll up |
| 17:39.41 | Crysis-Feax | What do you mean with control center ? |
| 17:39.48 | simonrvn | faith is for people who want to believe in something ... |
| 17:40.00 | Crysis-Feax | hmm I found sorry |
| 17:40.01 | startxwhite | i am not trolling. i am expressing my opinion based on principles and faith |
| 17:40.03 | simonrvn | Crysis-Feax: the app is called kcontrol |
| 17:40.04 | simonrvn | ok |
| 17:40.12 | simonrvn | startxwhite: *plonk* |
| 17:40.12 | SerajewelKS | startxwhite: what does faith have to do with debian |
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| 17:40.55 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: don't bother, waste of time. s/he's on auto-pilot |
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| 17:41.07 | startxwhite | SerajewelKS: what about the confession of faith? do you think it has nothing to do with debian? |
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| 17:42.15 | xjkx | My father wants a computer only to use openoffice, like old ones you know, buying a hd, a memory, a mainboard, getting all old pieces for sale and make his own, whats the minimum configuration he should have to open Xorg+openoffice without having to wait years to have it openned?i mean memory and cpu, also what debian should be installed |
| 17:42.15 | simonrvn | knowledge is for people who know something is true, not accepting what someone else thinks is true, or want to make you think a certain way |
| 17:42.40 | simonrvn | xjkx: 256 MB RAM, p3 of some sort (500 MHz minimum) |
| 17:42.50 | simonrvn | and lost of drive space. OOo is a hog |
| 17:42.53 | Stevie[FP] | gah |
| 17:42.54 | simonrvn | lots* |
| 17:43.07 | Stevie[FP] | How the heck do I get the patch-o-matic iptables extensions? I want 'nth' |
| 17:43.17 | simonrvn | ask in #iptables |
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| 17:43.32 | Stevie[FP] | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/i/iptables/iptables_1.3.5.0debian1-1/changelog <- it says that nth was removed 'upstream' |
| 17:43.35 | Stevie[FP] | what does that mean? |
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| 17:44.07 | startxwhite | simonrvn: there is no *true* system but GNU and linux is one of its kernels. the distro is called debian GNU/Linux, right? |
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| 17:44.17 | xjkx | simonrvn, and what debian |
| 17:44.23 | simonrvn | means upstream developers removed it |
| 17:44.30 | Stevie[FP] | who are the upstream developers? |
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| 17:44.34 | simonrvn | xjkx: for a recent OOo, etch |
| 17:44.44 | simonrvn | the iptables devs ... |
| 17:44.53 | xjkx | what are these OOo and etch? |
| 17:44.56 | SerajewelKS | !ops startxwhite troll |
| 17:44.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: serajewelks complains about: startxwhite troll |
| 17:45.09 | Ronin | SerajewelKS: should have added again to that |
| 17:45.10 | simonrvn | openoffice.org OOo; etch, testing |
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| 17:46.02 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 17:46.02 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:46.02 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:46.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: look where i've been: http://snow.ethz.ch/papilorama/ |
| 17:46.02 | SerajewelKS | Ronin: i don't think i was here then i guess =) |
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| 17:46.02 | SerajewelKS | Ronin: at least not at the keyboard |
| 17:46.03 | Fox_1_ | people how can i say wu-ftpd that it listen only one ip address? |
| 17:46.03 | simonrvn | stop using wu-ftpd firstly |
| 17:46.03 | Fox_1_ | why> |
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| 17:46.08 | Stevie[FP] | people use wu-ftpd? |
| 17:46.15 | mentor | startxwhite: Do you have a support question about Debian? |
| 17:46.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: phipps conservatory ? |
| 17:46.31 | tarzeau | Stevie[FP]: no |
| 17:46.35 | SerajewelKS | mentor: i think he's +b |
| 17:46.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: no they are all alive! |
| 17:46.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: they fly around in a tropical room |
| 17:46.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.phipps.conservatory.org/ |
| 17:46.50 | streuner | mentor: LoReZ already banned him |
| 17:46.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: and they land on you :) |
| 17:46.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: no kidding .. that's what phipps is |
| 17:46.55 | simonrvn | Fox_1_: because it's an insecure POS |
| 17:47.05 | Fox_1_ | POS? |
| 17:47.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: www.papilorama.ch |
| 17:47.09 | simonrvn | !pos |
| 17:47.09 | dpkg | somebody said pos was defined as Piece Of Shit. or Point of Sale |
| 17:47.10 | streuner | !pos |
| 17:47.12 | Rez | mentor: shall I unban him? |
| 17:47.23 | simonrvn | no please don't |
| 17:47.24 | SerajewelKS | pile of shit too =) |
| 17:47.28 | Fox_1_ | : |
| 17:47.30 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 17:47.37 | mentor | Rez: No, you have it. |
| 17:47.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: can you shoot them? |
| 17:48.01 | Fox_1_ | and which ftp server do you suggest? |
| 17:48.02 | simonrvn | Fox_1_: second, vsftpd or pure-ftpd are a step up. even better would be ssh |
| 17:48.10 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 17:48.24 | S4nD3r | I need some help to install a printer shared in a windows workstation |
| 17:48.26 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: that it is =) |
| 17:48.28 | h3sp4wn | Fox_1_: proftpd is pretty easy to configure |
| 17:48.29 | S4nD3r | I installed cups |
| 17:48.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: why should i? or you mean shoot photographies? |
| 17:48.42 | abrotman | no .. guns! |
| 17:48.45 | S4nD3r | But i dont know how to install the printer here in my gnome bux |
| 17:48.58 | ofer1 | h3sp4wn, are you kidding me? vsftpd takes me less then 10 seconds to install and run |
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| 17:49.08 | Fox_1_ | simonrvn: in proftpd can i say that only some kind of address can download ? |
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| 17:49.29 | Fox_1_ | simonrvn: as anonymous |
| 17:49.43 | simonrvn | i don't know, i didn't suggest it ;) |
| 17:49.47 | Bushmills | S4nD3r: http://localhost:631 |
| 17:49.55 | ofer1 | aptitude install vsftpd; vim /etc/vsftpd.conf; /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart |
| 17:50.02 | ofer1 | 10 seconds, I swear. |
| 17:50.25 | S4nD3r | The printer is installed in windows !!! |
| 17:50.49 | Bushmills | S4nD3r: install linux on your printer box |
| 17:50.57 | Fox_1_ | why does wu-ftpd bad? |
| 17:51.04 | S4nD3r | but the printer is not mine |
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| 17:51.16 | h3sp4wn | Fox_1_: bad security record |
| 17:51.29 | S4nD3r | Friend has a printer installed in his computer (windowS). Then I need to print some documents ... Id like to use his printer |
| 17:51.36 | ofer1 | What is more secured than the "Very Secure FTP Daemon" ? |
| 17:51.54 | Bushmills | ofer1: sftp |
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| 17:52.29 | ofer1 | Bushmills, it was a rhetorical question. |
| 17:52.41 | ofer1 | Bushmills, and what's sftp? |
| 17:52.55 | Fox_1_ | ok, thanks for information |
| 17:52.55 | SerajewelKS | ofer1: ssh basically |
| 17:53.04 | h3sp4wn | I don't use ftp anymore (shfs or scp only) |
| 17:53.06 | ofer1 | sftp, or ftps ? |
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| 17:53.38 | ofer1 | oh, I understand. |
| 17:53.39 | SerajewelKS | ofer1: pretty sure it's sftp, maybe i'm wrong |
| 17:53.42 | ofer1 | man sftp :) |
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| 17:53.59 | x_link | http://www.tradera.com/auction/Lador___Chassin/aid_34021200 |
| 17:54.03 | x_link | Will that do any good in my box ? |
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| 17:56.16 | h3sp4wn | S4nD3r: You can get him to install 'print services for unix' |
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| 17:56.30 | Braindead | x_link: how are we supposed to know swedish (?) I only know "slicka fitta" |
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| 17:56.42 | x_link | LOL !!! |
| 17:56.54 | x_link | If you look at the picture. |
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| 17:57.34 | ofer1 | svedish |
| 17:57.35 | Braindead | ah ok. yeah it's gonna help your b0xx0rz to become uberl33t |
| 17:57.51 | Braindead | and it'll run 25% faster!!!!1 |
| 17:58.29 | x_link | Braindead: Seriously, should I get it or not? |
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| 17:59.07 | h3sp4wn | Fox_1_: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/modules/mod_wrap.html (you want wrap tables for your based on ip stuff) and the ssl/tls mod if you want security |
| 17:59.25 | Braindead | if cpu/hard disks/graphical cards are currently overheated it should help. otherwise a simple "lock on" fan on the hd should do the job just fine |
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| 17:59.37 | Fox_1_ | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 18:00.10 | Crysis-Feax | How can I know what is the repertory of installation of xchat ? |
| 18:00.12 | x_link | Braindead: Okey, I have a hdd fans also, it's a metalic/plastic thing with 2 fans on. I just bought that fan I showed on the URL. |
| 18:00.16 | x_link | bbl |
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| 18:04.31 | pelzi_ | I should get something for my rack |
| 18:04.33 | pelzi_ | it's a sauna |
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| 18:05.21 | pelzi_ | and noisy, too. damn old 3com superstack... |
| 18:05.25 | Braindead | pelzi_: some rocks so you can pour water on it? |
| 18:05.39 | S4nD3r | Im trying to install footmatic-gui |
| 18:05.50 | pelzi_ | I have sauna already |
| 18:05.56 | pelzi_ | and I don't enjoy it that much |
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| 18:07.58 | Fox_1_ | i want install exim4 with mysql support, must i build it from source or i can do it with deb? |
| 18:08.14 | simonrvn | install the -daemon-heavy one |
| 18:08.33 | Fox_1_ | !daemon-heavy |
| 18:08.40 | Fox_1_ | what's that? |
| 18:08.45 | simonrvn | supports ldap, mysql,postgresql, and many other stuffs |
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| 18:08.59 | simonrvn | the package, exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 18:09.10 | Braindead | except the kitchen sink |
| 18:09.32 | simonrvn | even the kitchen sink (tcpwrappers) ;P |
| 18:09.56 | Fox_1_ | ok |
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| 18:10.28 | simonrvn | the -light has tcpwrappers support too, though, i think |
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| 18:12.44 | yetifoot | Hi, i lowered the stack limit using ulimit -s 1024 for my user, now i want to raise it again, but can't .. I tried using -H -s 4096 and -S -s 4096 as root, but it won't work. can anyone help please? |
| 18:13.30 | Fox_1_ | and for courier-imap i want support for cram and mysql |
| 18:15.09 | tha_guy | yetifoot: I am not sure but it could be a kernel limit |
| 18:15.13 | koorek | what is the newest version of rpm? 4.0.4-31? |
| 18:15.25 | koorek | as a deb package ofcourse |
| 18:15.49 | yetifoot | i had it at 4096 before, and root has 8192, but i can't find how to raise it again |
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| 18:16.07 | tha_guy | yetifoot: can you raise it by root? |
| 18:16.26 | yetifoot | tha_guy, if i raise it by root, it only affects root |
| 18:16.37 | koorek | I do not have debian, thats why I'm asking |
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| 18:17.46 | Braindead | koorek: http://packages.debian.org |
| 18:18.27 | yetifoot | its ok, i found it, i had to edit file:/etc/security/limits.conf |
| 18:18.58 | koorek | Braindead: yes I already checked that, but version 4.0.4 is quite old (probably there's no interest in maintaining rpm) |
| 18:18.59 | ofer1 | file:/// |
| 18:19.06 | koorek | ok, thx anyway |
| 18:19.16 | marcels | koorek, 4.4.1-10 |
| 18:19.36 | marcels | in sid that is |
| 18:19.40 | yetifoot | should file have 3 slashes? i just copy pasted from a konquror window |
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| 18:20.32 | erps2 | the default exim4-daemon-heavy .. if TLS is enabled, is it using GnuTLS or OpenSSL? |
| 18:20.44 | koorek | ohh, I'v looked in stable <shame_on_me /> |
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| 18:21.26 | erps2 | aardvarq: never mind, answer is gnuTLS, heh. |
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| 18:22.22 | Fox_1_ | people can you open www.courier-mta.org? |
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| 18:22.34 | Fox_1_ | it does not work |
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| 18:23.33 | Joadas | is there any way to detect a sata hdd w/o rebooting? |
| 18:23.46 | ofer1 | Joadas, SATA or SATA II ? |
| 18:23.55 | Joadas | ofer sata |
| 18:24.04 | ofer1 | Joadas, then no. |
| 18:24.08 | Joadas | :/ |
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| 18:24.38 | pelzi_ | for me modprobe -r:ing the sata controller before plugging works |
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| 18:25.05 | Joadas | system won't boot with that hdd inserted, but if it's not inserted than I can't run lilo..as it errors out (it's part of a raid1) |
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| 18:25.52 | pelzi_ | why doesn't it boot |
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| 18:26.00 | pelzi_ | try swapping the mirrors |
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| 18:27.43 | xjkx | I was reading about posix, is it only a standard, with those 15 docoments saying how is the interface to users and softwares, or is it a program ?i saw there are versions of posix though |
| 18:27.51 | xjkx | is it a program who controls posix? |
| 18:28.11 | pelzi_ | posix is a standard. |
| 18:28.12 | tha_guy | POSIX is a standard, not a program |
| 18:28.14 | blondie | it's a standard not a program |
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| 18:28.57 | xjkx | its like people read their 15 documents, and make a system or software based in that standard then, did I say alright now? |
| 18:29.15 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 18:29.19 | xjkx | thanks |
| 18:29.22 | erps2 | I need to add to my Certificate Authorities Microsofts Root Certificate.. Any idea where to get this? Is there a debian package with it (hadn't seen one) |
| 18:29.26 | tha_guy | usually, people don't read it |
| 18:29.37 | pelzi_ | erps2: ask MS |
| 18:29.49 | pelzi_ | or see ca-certificates |
| 18:29.49 | tha_guy | they just work with systems which use it, then after mastering them, they program similar interfaces. |
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| 18:30.28 | xjkx | but pcts (posix testing suite) is a software, right?to test if you done everything okey with your own making system/software based on posix? |
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| 18:31.55 | pelzi_ | probably |
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| 18:34.07 | Joadas | pelzi_: it seems that swapping the mirrors solved it :O why? :o |
| 18:34.15 | infernixx | does anyone else have horrible experiences with adaptec SATA, or is it just me? |
| 18:34.35 | pelzi_ | Joadas: you only have lilo on one of the mirrors |
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| 18:34.50 | jerome | good evening all. |
| 18:35.17 | jerome | do you have some doc about error recovery with xfs ? |
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| 18:35.45 | jerome | I'm just getting bored of all those files getting corrupted/empty on a hard reboot / power failure or else. |
| 18:36.12 | jerome | I don't know why but all opened files are considered suspicious and emptied on reboot. |
| 18:36.30 | tha_guy | jerome: can't you fsck? |
| 18:36.55 | ekix | hmm. seems that dist-upgrade (unstable -> unstable) broke something on my friends machine. Unpacking xserver-xorg-core (from .../xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.1.1-10_i386.deb) ... |
| 18:37.13 | ekix | complains that: "trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy', which is also in package xserver-common" |
| 18:37.30 | ekix | anybody know how to fix this? |
| 18:37.41 | marcels | ekix, --force-overwrite |
| 18:38.03 | marcels | and don't use dist-upgrade |
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| 18:39.13 | ekix | marcels, actually it was my friend who was using dist-upgrade ;) |
| 18:39.38 | ekix | (though i have to admit that i always use dist-upgrade too (without problems)) |
| 18:39.40 | marcels | tell him the same thing :) |
| 18:39.50 | ekix | i'll paste him what you said :) |
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| 18:40.10 | ekix | marcels, oh and thanks alot :) |
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| 18:40.19 | marcels | np |
| 18:40.29 | jerome | tha_guy: fsck.xfs just do nothing. |
| 18:41.31 | xjkx | if debian/linux can offer support for old machines, like its saying on tutorial, doesn't it takes us uneeded space on HD or even on a compiled kernel running uneeded things, if thats not your case and you have a new machine? |
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| 18:41.57 | tha_guy | jerome: I don't have experience with fsck, maybe the right place to ask is the kernel forums/channels. |
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| 18:42.21 | tha_guy | Jerome: I use reiserfs and ext3 |
| 18:42.30 | cbr | are there koffice 1.6 packages for debian in some secret location? |
| 18:43.14 | erps2 | pelzi_ ca-certificates doesn't include the MS Root Cert :\ and MS isn't exactly forthcoming on information. |
| 18:43.29 | erps2 | pelzi_ but thanks anyway |
| 18:43.43 | Crysis-Feax | What can I have for linux like emule ? |
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| 18:43.59 | pelzi_ | amule and xmule |
| 18:44.00 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: not really |
| 18:44.04 | Crysis-Feax | ok :) pelzi_ |
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| 18:44.32 | xjkx | tell me why not then dondelelcaro coz thats what it looks like for me |
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| 18:45.10 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: because most code for most processors is generic. |
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| 18:45.45 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: the only case that is even slightly interesting is the kernel where you may have modules installed that aren't loaded, but because they don't get loaded, even they aren't really a big deal. |
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| 18:46.32 | jerome | tha_guy: xfs is pretty aggressive on caching files. Some files, recently modified may be corrupted during a problem |
| 18:46.36 | jerome | power outage or such |
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| 18:47.38 | tha_guy | if xfs implements journaling (which I suppose it does), I think you can fine-tune it to illiminate that problem. |
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| 18:48.10 | Braindead | tha_guy: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html read the part about SGI developers... |
| 18:48.46 | abrotman | eliminate |
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| 18:49.11 | abrotman | ED209!!!!!!! |
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| 18:50.29 | tha_guy | :-D |
| 18:50.53 | xjkx | dondelelcaro, but how about mainboard features that it detects, its not generic |
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| 18:51.55 | Crysis-Feax | For installing JAVA, in apt-cache search I use sun-java5-jre or sun-java5-bin ? |
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| 18:52.37 | stew | Crysis-Feax: -jre (which depends on -bin, so you'll get both) |
| 18:52.55 | jonas22 | how do I make the dependency system stop complaining about a particular 'resolution' that isn't necessary and will break many things |
| 18:53.00 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: those features are generally in modules which get loaded. |
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| 18:53.12 | stew | !info sun-java5-jre testing |
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| 18:53.19 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-08-1 (etch), Packaged size: 7279 kB, Installed size: 15924 kB |
| 18:53.21 | stew | wow, didn't realize... |
| 18:53.26 | jonas22 | ie. it wants to remove a package that really needn't be removed |
| 18:53.30 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: the basic functioning of i386 machines is pretty generic; it's one of the reasons why they're popular. |
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| 18:53.42 | dondelelcaro | jonas22: use aptitude, and pick a different solution. |
| 18:54.06 | jonas22 | use aptitude and pick a different solution? |
| 18:54.36 | stew | jonas22: if you run the aptitude frontend, it should present you with several alternative solutions to your package dependency problem |
| 18:54.47 | jonas22 | yeah |
| 18:54.49 | jonas22 | and it asks me |
| 18:54.53 | jonas22 | if i want to remove one package, or the other |
| 18:54.57 | jonas22 | i don't want to remove EITHER of them |
| 18:55.08 | stew | jonas22: give us more details then |
| 18:55.11 | jonas22 | the negative dependency is completely bogus |
| 18:55.19 | jonas22 | trac doesn't depend on modpython not being installed |
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| 18:55.29 | jonas22 | so i force-installed one of them |
| 18:55.33 | jonas22 | because i want/need both of them |
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| 18:55.47 | Crysis-Feax | what is linux RPM and Linux ? ( the RPM ) ? |
| 18:55.55 | Twisted | Errr.. what do I do if I forgot my NickServ password? |
| 18:56.02 | sepski | !rpm |
| 18:56.03 | mith | what package is eeyes part of? |
| 18:56.07 | pelzi_ | Twisted: contact a staffer |
| 18:56.07 | Crysis-Feax | !rpm |
| 18:56.10 | mith | or is that deprecated? |
| 18:56.20 | Crysis-Feax | !rpm |
| 18:56.24 | Crysis-Feax | muh :s |
| 18:56.30 | Twisted | pelzi_, IRC staff or debian staff? |
| 18:56.36 | stew | jonas22: exactly which two packages are conflicting? |
| 18:56.38 | jonas22 | can i tell aptitude to just trust me and leave it alone |
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| 18:56.54 | stew | Twisted: freenode staff. "/stats p" will list on-duty staffers |
| 18:56.57 | jonas22 | trac and libapache2-mod-python are conflicting |
| 18:56.58 | stew | jonas22: no |
| 18:57.08 | pelzi_ | Twisted: freenode staf... oh, I was slow |
| 18:57.08 | jonas22 | because la2-m-p 'provides' la2-mod-python2.3 |
| 18:57.18 | xjkx | why can't i have my installed softwares, not installing to all the system?like i wanna have xjkx with xchat installed, and another-user that has not, its not about permission, i mean, like if i was not root, ist there a way, like installing on /home/xjkx/etc or something? |
| 18:57.19 | Twisted | All good ty |
| 18:57.28 | xjkx | apt-get needs root anyway |
| 18:57.38 | valdyn | jonas22: those 2 packages overwrite each other's files? |
| 18:57.46 | jonas22 | no |
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| 18:58.11 | jonas22 | one of them just requires the other not being installed |
| 18:58.29 | jonas22 | an unwarranted requirement |
| 18:58.41 | valdyn | jonas22: then you should report a bug |
| 18:59.12 | mith | Ok, so eeyes was it's own package in woody, where did it get moved to in sarge? Anyone know? |
| 18:59.25 | Crysis-Feax | !rpm |
| 18:59.25 | jonas22 | and in the meantime how do i fix it |
| 18:59.28 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 18:59.42 | Seb | is there an easy way to set my clock back by say one week ? Without doing any nasty calculation ? |
| 18:59.49 | valdyn | jonas22: recompile one of both, manualy removing the dependency |
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| 19:00.02 | koorek | is !rpm a chanel bot command? |
| 19:00.03 | valdyn | jonas22: rebuild one of both packages even ( uh or probably both ) |
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| 19:00.20 | Twisted | Errr.. where the hell is deadcat/calvin... Two days no login? /dead? |
| 19:00.34 | jonas22 | then it's out of package management |
| 19:00.44 | valdyn | jonas22: no |
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| 19:01.00 | jonas22 | well, i could make my own package i guess |
| 19:01.07 | jonas22 | that doesn't have the dependency |
| 19:01.37 | stew | jonas22: "/msg dpkg reportbug" report the bug against trac if you think the Conflicts: is broken. It would be simple for you to rebuild the package without this Conflicts: /msg dpkg source |
| 19:01.39 | valdyn | jonas22: apt-get source <package>, edit debian/somefile, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage, install it |
| 19:02.05 | mith | Ok, so, eeyes is gone from sarge ... what's another super-light-weight image viewer? I don't want to try running the gimp over a remote X session |
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| 19:02.11 | tha_guy | Seb: try this: date -s "2006-10-11" 00:00:00 |
| 19:02.14 | valdyn | mith: eog maybe |
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| 19:02.20 | Telepathmaster | hi, got trouble when attempting to upgrade tà kernel 2.6.16 or higher. My ethernet controller (broadcom 10/100) seems to be recognized, still I can't connect to my local network. But it works with 2.6.8-3 (that im currently running). does somebody have an idea of what I could do to fix that ? |
| 19:02.24 | jonas22 | thanks |
| 19:02.49 | mith | valdyn: from the list of packages that wants to install, I don't think it counts as 'light-weight' |
| 19:02.51 | mith | :( |
| 19:03.03 | koorek | mith, feh is light and simple |
| 19:03.09 | koorek | based on imlib |
| 19:03.21 | mith | that's exactly what I'm looking for, it seems |
| 19:03.36 | stew | mith: gqview? "display" from imagemagick? |
| 19:03.41 | koorek | another might be qiv |
| 19:03.45 | valdyn | mith: depending on what your desktop environment is or what other applicatoins you use, it is lightweight |
| 19:04.02 | mith | valdyn: well 'remote X session' would imply "none" |
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| 19:05.06 | mith | stew: thanks, feh is perfect. It's basically eeyes but still in debian :P |
| 19:05.21 | dhuv | hello all, does anybody know of debian repositories that would have enlightenment DR17 packages? I am looking to get the standalone engage to use with gnome. |
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| 19:05.49 | Seb | tha_guy: hahaha, nah man, I know how to do it manually, I want it to be automatic ;) |
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| 19:07.06 | tha_guy | Seb: then scripting is the strategy |
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| 19:07.53 | pelzi_ | Telepathmaster: when I hear "broadcom" I usually try to get another device |
| 19:08.16 | Telepathmaster | i know, but that's my laptop :/ |
| 19:08.29 | pelzi_ | well, you're screwed. :P |
| 19:08.35 | Telepathmaster | :) |
| 19:08.36 | koorek | :) |
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| 19:09.12 | Seb | tha_guy: i understand that, but you do realize the finding (time minus one week) from (time) is pretty complicated. I'm sure there's a utility somewhere that does that... |
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| 19:09.17 | pelzi_ | luckily I have intel on my lappies (well, not that intel would be any more cooperative) |
| 19:09.52 | tha_guy | Seb: that is the challenge, to make that very utility :-) |
| 19:09.55 | pelzi_ | Seb: afaik libc can do that (in theory) |
| 19:10.10 | xjkx | why can't i have my installed softwares, not installing to all the system?like i wanna have xjkx with xchat installed, and another-user that has not, its not about permission, i mean, like if i was not root, ist there a way, like installing on /home/xjkx/etc or something?apt-get needs root :S |
| 19:10.10 | Seb | tha_guy: you're missing the point. COmplicated algorithms are meant to be reused. |
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| 19:10.17 | Seb | pelzi_: hmmm, that's a bit too low-level for me ;) |
| 19:10.40 | pelzi_ | well if you use something higher-level then it can do it |
| 19:10.44 | pelzi_ | at least python can |
| 19:10.57 | valdyn | xjkx: that is not supported by debian |
| 19:11.04 | pelzi_ | and 2 weeks is actually a pretty determinate amount of seconds |
| 19:11.11 | xjkx | valdyn who supports it, please |
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| 19:11.21 | valdyn | xjkx: no distro |
| 19:11.27 | xjkx | :/ |
| 19:11.31 | pelzi_ | installing in home is possible |
| 19:11.36 | pelzi_ | but not that easy |
| 19:11.44 | xjkx | :> how... |
| 19:11.48 | pelzi_ | just ask the admin to do it for you |
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| 19:11.55 | pelzi_ | compile from sources with the proper prefix |
| 19:11.57 | Seb | pelzi_: i seemed to remember date -d being able to dsiplay a time "not now", but I can't find any help on the syntax to be used for that |
| 19:12.05 | xjkx | pelzi_, i am root, i am studying |
| 19:12.10 | koorek | rpm -ivh --root /home/users/%{username} <lol> |
| 19:12.31 | valdyn | xjkx: why would you do that anyway? |
| 19:12.33 | xjkx | lol |
| 19:12.38 | pelzi_ | xjkx: install normally |
| 19:12.46 | pelzi_ | or did you just ask if it is possible... |
| 19:13.10 | xjkx | valdyn, people bother me too much with that, 'if its multi user, why cant i have my softwares and i have to ask you for it' and they are right. man |
| 19:13.41 | xjkx | altough i surely won't give root or sudo for them |
| 19:13.45 | vorbote | xjkx: use groups that's what they where invented for. Remove the other execution bit and only members of the groups will be able to execute the application. |
| 19:13.49 | valdyn | xjkx: its possible, i already said so, but its silly, which is why debian doesnt bother to support it |
| 19:13.50 | koorek | chroot for each user? |
| 19:14.06 | pelzi_ | well, the unix philosophy is that the users are users and admins install software |
| 19:14.17 | valdyn | xjkx: there's any number of things possible that debian ( and no distro ) bothers to support ) |
| 19:14.30 | pelzi_ | valdyn: syntax error |
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| 19:14.35 | valdyn | pelzi_: yea |
| 19:14.38 | xjkx | with the use of groups, they would still need to ask me for a software "hey install xchat " |
| 19:14.49 | pelzi_ | just install it |
| 19:14.52 | amphi | xjkx: they can install under ~, if /home isn't mounted noexec ;) |
| 19:15.08 | vorbote | pelzi_: that's why in a multiuser system home must go in its own partition and lusers are controlled by quotas. |
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| 19:15.22 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 19:15.32 | valdyn | ...and those users would have to additionally mess with things like library search paths or PATH which they have no clue about and _shouldnt_ need to know |
| 19:15.34 | koorek | xjkx: if 1 of your users use xchat install it for him, other 4 do not need use it |
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| 19:16.22 | pelzi_ | besides what's the benefit of not installing it for everyone |
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| 19:16.49 | valdyn | hard way to make that system unmaintainable maybe.. |
| 19:17.18 | koorek | pelzi_: probably ned of installing it for another user again (more work) in some time :) |
| 19:17.22 | koorek | need* |
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| 19:17.36 | pelzi_ | well that was my point |
| 19:17.46 | koorek | i know |
| 19:18.25 | pelzi_ | but well, you can't let users install software to the system, and installing in home is painful. |
| 19:18.40 | pelzi_ | the problem is really in all the software not supporting easy install in home |
| 19:18.44 | xjkx | mm ok then, next question: how does it mean that debian can run in any kernel, like it says here it runs on gnu hurd kernel also, so can i download hurd kernel and install?what other kind of kernel can i install here? |
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| 19:19.03 | valdyn | xjkx: just dont bother, or read the documentation |
| 19:19.03 | Seb | pelzi_: date -d "-1week" , I knew it ;) |
| 19:19.04 | pelzi_ | afaik debian has freebsd and netbsd kernel ports |
| 19:19.32 | pelzi_ | Seb: yep, easy solutions... but sometimes they are harder to find than to write from scratch ;) |
| 19:19.46 | xjkx | i am studying, thats why i am bothering, ;p |
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| 19:20.12 | Seb | pelzi_: in this case I dunno ;) |
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| 19:20.14 | pelzi_ | btw, mounting home noexec would be evil |
| 19:20.26 | pelzi_ | it probably would break things |
| 19:20.29 | koorek | my way of studying: install and check what happens ;-) if it fails then you know it's not right :) |
| 19:20.30 | valdyn | xjkx: ports.debian.org, "Non-Linux ports" |
| 19:20.30 | Seb | pelzi_: evil as in "gooooood" :> |
| 19:20.39 | o-negative | hello, is there a way to make apt-get install all optional packages? |
| 19:21.08 | pelzi_ | for example, isn't xsession executed |
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| 19:21.25 | valdyn | o-negative: not without scripting something. Actually installing all optional packaegs is certainly not possible because some will conflict with each other |
| 19:21.29 | abrotman | o-negative: you mean the recommends and suggested ? |
| 19:21.40 | o-negative | yes |
| 19:21.43 | abrotman | aptitude does a little better job of that |
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| 19:22.15 | o-negative | Here is the situation: we have a local repo for our packages and I would like to install all the packages marked as optional |
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| 19:22.45 | koorek | hmm, great ... does debian have some list of recommended and suggested packages? I mean, does people really instal all just too have all? |
| 19:22.49 | ma3x | how do I find the maintainer of a specific package? |
| 19:23.01 | valdyn | ma3x: apt-cache show <package> |
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| 19:23.06 | amphi | ma3x: /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE_NAME |
| 19:23.14 | o-negative | koorek: it's not all debian packages, it's all packages on my local repo |
| 19:23.31 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 19:23.32 | koorek | ohh |
| 19:23.39 | ma3x | why is rtorrent still at the 0.6.2 version? |
| 19:23.46 | valdyn | o-negative: optional packages is something entirely differnt than suggested and recommended.. |
| 19:23.47 | ma3x | there is 0.6.3 already. |
| 19:23.59 | koorek | ma3x: debian policy :D |
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| 19:24.16 | ma3x | koorek: what about it |
| 19:24.19 | o-negative | valdyn: yes? |
| 19:24.23 | valdyn | ma3x: maintainer isnt that fast |
| 19:24.47 | koorek | ma3x: naahh, nothing, just kidding |
| 19:24.49 | o-negative | valdyn: i still want to install them, I am working on a fast and easy way to deploy developement stations |
| 19:24.52 | ma3x | yeah, I should have been the maintainer |
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| 19:25.10 | koorek | ma3x: not so easy and greatfull job |
| 19:25.12 | Braindead | ma3x: have you got a 0.6.3 package available? if not,STFU |
| 19:25.16 | ma3x | what's so difficult about it? |
| 19:25.25 | ma3x | Braindead: NO! 0.6.2 |
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| 19:25.32 | pelzi_ | o-negative: debootstrap them and write your own deployment scripts |
| 19:25.39 | valdyn | o-negative: optional packages = most packages in debian, recommended / suggested status depends on the packages installed, so clarify |
| 19:25.55 | Braindead | ma3x: I was saying "if you can think you can do the maintainer you could at least do a package from it" |
| 19:26.07 | Braindead | and I think you quite didn't get the STFU part |
| 19:26.08 | o-negative | valdyn: that means all packages marked optional on _my_ repo |
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| 19:26.31 | koorek | Shut The Fuck Up ? |
| 19:26.31 | amphi | Braindead: heh |
| 19:26.37 | ma3x | Braindead: and upload it where? |
| 19:26.38 | valdyn | o-negative: = all packages in your repo |
| 19:27.19 | Braindead | ma3x: on your own repository. 21:24 < ma3x> yeah, I should have been the maintainer |
| 19:27.20 | o-negative | pelzi_: that's how I'm doing it right now (in part) I used dfs to bootstrap then I change sources.list to use my repos and I would like to install all packages on it |
| 19:27.28 | Braindead | 21:25 < ma3x> what's so difficult about it? |
| 19:27.43 | ma3x | stop pasting me |
| 19:27.56 | abrotman | o-negative: make a meta-package the depends on all fo them |
| 19:27.57 | koorek | ma3x: maintaingn simple apps is quite easy, mostly it just a version bump, but sometimes it's not so obvious and non-problematic |
| 19:28.03 | Braindead | I was pointing out your general inconsistency |
| 19:28.13 | ma3x | so I mean if he doesnt provide uptodate packages, he shouldn't be the provider |
| 19:28.29 | wols_ | Braindead: subtle things like this are wasted on ma3x |
| 19:28.30 | abrotman | ma3x: file bugs. . don't whine |
| 19:28.40 | valdyn | ma3x: you should pay the guy |
| 19:28.40 | o-negative | abrotman: it will be too hard to maintain... I'm gonna have to change it everytime I change a package |
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| 19:28.44 | koorek | ma3x: change distro or start building your own repo |
| 19:28.49 | abrotman | o-negative: not really .. you can use >= |
| 19:28.53 | valdyn | ma3x: im sure he'll be 3 days faster packaging for a proper compensation |
| 19:28.58 | ma3x | valdyn: I'm gonna package it, give me rights to upload it to debian |
| 19:28.58 | koorek | ma3x: rememebr that he;'s spending his free time |
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| 19:29.12 | wols_ | ma3x: please don't corrupt the debian repos |
| 19:29.14 | valdyn | ma3x: i cant do that =p |
| 19:29.21 | o-negative | abrotman: I'm gonna have a look at it then |
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| 19:29.30 | Jabka | how to mount scsi0 ? |
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| 19:29.53 | abrotman | ma3x: so do the package .. noone is stopping you |
| 19:29.57 | valdyn | Jabka: how would you mount a scsi bus? |
| 19:30.31 | ma3x | abrotman: if I do it, I want to upload it somewhere |
| 19:30.33 | abrotman | is it yellow ? |
| 19:30.38 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 19:30.38 | dpkg | well, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 19:30.42 | abrotman | ma3x: have a good time |
| 19:30.48 | koorek | ma3x: imo you should really find another distro if you like bleeding edge software and want to share your work (packages) with others. I'm not debian user, I don't know much about it but IMO it's not for you |
| 19:30.59 | Jemt | Greetings. Something weird is happening here. I have just reinstalled my computer, and switched to Unstable repositories in order to install the 2.6.16-2-686 kernel (as I have done a LOT of times) - but this time it wants to remove the old kernel along with initrd-tools, kernel-pcmcia-modules among other things. Why on earth does it do that ? |
| 19:30.59 | Jabka | i attached my usb hdd and isaw in dmesg scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 19:31.08 | ma3x | koorek: yeah its for you |
| 19:31.14 | stew | ma3x: is there a wishlist bug against the package saying that there is a new upstream version available? |
| 19:31.18 | jonas22 | bug was already reported: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393842 |
| 19:31.19 | Jabka | i can't find any sdX in ev |
| 19:31.22 | koorek | nahh, I prefer PLD |
| 19:31.26 | Jabka | in dev |
| 19:31.27 | peterrus | Jemt, compatablitity issues? |
| 19:31.28 | valdyn | Jabka: so you really want to mount a filesystem that is on a partition on your usb disk |
| 19:31.29 | Braindead | Jemt: it actually needs to. lots of changes since .15 onward |
| 19:31.38 | stew | ma3x: you can't just take over a package if someone else is maintaining it unless the maintainer is MIA |
| 19:31.42 | valdyn | Jabka: fdisk -l should list _all_ partitions |
| 19:32.13 | Jabka | valdyn it shown only the on on hd |
| 19:32.15 | valdyn | Jabka: for your usb thing that is probably sda1 if you have no sata and sdb1 or even sdc1 if you have sata |
| 19:32.25 | abrotman | stew: i vote we let him try :) |
| 19:32.42 | Jabka | valdyn : there are no sdX |
| 19:32.44 | valdyn | Jabka: maybe there's no partition yet on your usb thing, then you have to create one, and a filesystem on that partition too |
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| 19:32.46 | ma3x | stew: why should there be a wish list saying that there is a new version available? that's the maintainer's job to check |
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| 19:32.59 | abrotman | ma3x: no .. it's the maintainers job to make the software work in debian |
| 19:33.03 | stew | ma3x: this is how you remind him |
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| 19:33.13 | valdyn | Jabka: fdisk /dev/sda |
| 19:33.14 | asg | abrotman: you and max could fork and start Abrotuntu ;) |
| 19:33.18 | Jabka | they are ( it is aregular ide tru ide2usb connection |
| 19:33.19 | Jemt | peterrus > Don't think so |
| 19:33.24 | abrotman | oh could we .. that'd be swell .. |
| 19:33.35 | valdyn | !usb storage |
| 19:33.35 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 19:33.37 | koorek | ma3x: read my lips, mainatainer is a human like many others, he ha his own life, job, kids whatever ... |
| 19:33.42 | Jemt | Braindead: No it dosn't. I have never removed those things before |
| 19:33.59 | ma3x | abrotman: software like this usually works without problems ... if you ask me, it's more important to upload a new package, since there is a new stable version released |
| 19:34.03 | Jemt | Braindead: I reinstall frequently - so I'm sure :) |
| 19:34.09 | stew | ma3x: then file a bug |
| 19:34.14 | valdyn | ma3x: no one is asking you.. ;) |
| 19:34.15 | abrotman | ma3x: have you tried gentoo ? |
| 19:34.17 | ma3x | koorek: I didn't say he has no life |
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| 19:34.21 | peterrus | omg |
| 19:34.37 | peterrus | calm down you windows users |
| 19:34.39 | ma3x | abrotman: no, I don't like compiling. I like out of the box |
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| 19:34.51 | koorek | ma3x: yeah, but you expect he will be sitting all the time and monitoring rss for apps updates |
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| 19:34.58 | syntaxis | ma3x: you could also create a watch file if there isn't one already |
| 19:34.59 | jhony-walldorf | hello all |
| 19:34.59 | Braindead | Jemt: this "reinstall frequently" quite brings a dark light around you. anyway to make it short: yes it NEEDS to take down a few dependencies and conflicts,so you really need to do that |
| 19:35.20 | Jabka | valdyn both modules are loaded but there are no sds |
| 19:35.28 | medusaXX | how can i make an interface go up on boot? i dont want to assign a ip address, just that it's online |
| 19:35.33 | ma3x | koorek: so why has he taken that task then? just to upload from time to time new packages? |
| 19:35.42 | abrotman | ma3x: then i guess you're screwed .. learn how to package yourself .. or learn patience |
| 19:35.53 | multi_io | on one of my machines, aptitude segfaults absolutely every time it starts installing packages, ever since I first tried aptitude on this machine a year or so ago. |
| 19:35.54 | valdyn | ma3x: btw, rtorrent 0.6.3 is broken |
| 19:36.00 | Braindead | and the divine art of STFU |
| 19:36.06 | valdyn | ma3x: so the maintainer might actually have a reason not to have uploaded that |
| 19:36.08 | multi_io | is something like this known? |
| 19:36.17 | ma3x | abrotman: that's not the thing! if everybody compiles and creates packages, then we shouldn't use debian |
| 19:36.23 | asg | multi_io: strace it and see why |
| 19:36.23 | Braindead | multi_io: http://bugs.debian.org/aptitude |
| 19:36.29 | koorek | ma3x: dunno, probably he had time and interest back then, and now I duno why he has no time, motivation, cash, internet connection or whatever |
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| 19:36.34 | ma3x | valdyn: its broken? how do you know? |
| 19:36.34 | koorek | write him an email |
| 19:36.38 | koorek | ask him irectly |
| 19:36.41 | koorek | directly |
| 19:36.45 | valdyn | ma3x: i read |
| 19:36.48 | abrotman | ma3x: that's what we keep telling you .. if debian doesn't work for you .. find a distro that does |
| 19:36.49 | Braindead | and *nicely* |
| 19:37.03 | abrotman | valdyn: you lie! .. only greycat can read! |
| 19:37.32 | valdyn | ma3x: |
| 19:37.52 | valdyn | ma3x: pasted email frm the ML: http://pastebin.ca/208692 |
| 19:38.01 | stew | ma3x: if you want to see a newer version of rtorrent in debian, file a wishlist bug against the package with the title "new upstream version availalbe" this will remind the maintainer that there is a new version if he is not aware, and will give him a chance to explain to you why he hasn't uploaded it yet if he is aware |
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| 19:38.39 | hkais | hi |
| 19:38.47 | ma3x | stew: yeah alright |
| 19:39.06 | hkais | i am searchin for a howto, which integrates amavisd with postfix (without any other configs) |
| 19:39.09 | hkais | any hints? |
| 19:39.10 | valdyn | ma3x: im sure google has the whole thread somewhere, you dont want rtorrent 6.3 in debian right now anyway, it would not work most likely |
| 19:39.10 | stew | ma3x: check to see if there is a watch file in the package |
| 19:39.25 | wols_ | hkais: postfix.org, the documentation link has such things |
| 19:39.29 | wols_ | or ask #postfix |
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| 19:40.47 | jbrouhard | Anyone have trouble installing vmware server 1.0.1 on Sarge ? |
| 19:40.55 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
| 19:41.14 | jbrouhard | I tried |
| 19:41.18 | jbrouhard | less than helpful |
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| 19:41.32 | jbrouhard | all thay say is "did you do what it demands it you do" |
| 19:41.40 | jbrouhard | and it's giving me errors about libc5/glibc |
| 19:41.40 | asg | jbrouhard: no trouble at all |
| 19:41.42 | o-negative | jbrouhard: there is a guide on the ubuntu forums, it should get you started |
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| 19:41.48 | jbrouhard | Hmm |
| 19:42.05 | jbrouhard | Well, considering ubuntu and debian aren't that far apart.. |
| 19:42.07 | jbrouhard | thanks, o-negative |
| 19:42.12 | o-negative | :) |
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| 19:43.18 | Jabka | is there a way that i can shutdown non mounted usb harddisk ? |
| 19:44.13 | Braindead | Jabka: dunno if hdparm -y or -Y could work |
| 19:44.33 | koorek | ma3x: are you good in deb building? |
| 19:44.54 | Jabka | Braindead: will it harm it |
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| 19:45.25 | Braindead | koorek: leave him alone. or he'll headbutt you in the chest |
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| 19:45.26 | sts | Hello |
| 19:45.26 | sts | I'm trying to get Apache2 SSL working. But it always returns me an error and error.log gets the following: Invalid method in request \x16\x03\x01 |
| 19:45.30 | sts | Does anybody know what that should mean? |
| 19:45.35 | pelzi_ | hdparm won't cause anything a reboot won't fix (of course be careful of data loss) |
| 19:45.41 | Braindead | Jabka: very unlikely. |
| 19:45.55 | Stevie[FP] | pelzi_: s/reboot/powercycle/ |
| 19:46.13 | pelzi_ | that's rare, except with badly buggy drives |
| 19:46.20 | Stevie[FP] | or the more exotic hdparm commands |
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| 19:46.42 | shastry | g'nite :) |
| 19:46.51 | ma3x | koorek: I follow the guide : http://www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
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| 19:46.55 | asg | sts: it means that a port that is supposed to be ssl capable is in fact not. The client is trying to negotiate SSL but the server isn't aware that it needs to. |
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| 19:47.22 | Rockj | is there any suggested deb repos for mplayer? also someone who can use the bot in here to tell me about nvidia drivers please? :) |
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| 19:47.31 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 19:47.31 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 19:47.31 | asg | Rockj: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 19:47.32 | zepeuga | i have a bash script. How can i make it run on startup ? |
| 19:47.35 | sbgodin | Hi folks! Anyone knows tips about configuring xorg to make it give something else than a blank screen? |
| 19:47.39 | valdyn | Rockj: nvidia drivers on which debian release? |
| 19:47.40 | asg | zepeuga: /msg dpkg rc.local |
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| 19:47.49 | diilbertAtWork | Is there a pkgconfig dev package ? |
| 19:47.50 | wols_ | Rockj: /msg dpkg <topic> |
| 19:47.58 | Rockj | wols_: :thanks. |
| 19:48.03 | Rockj | valdyn: using debian etch. |
| 19:48.47 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:48.47 | VulpesFoxnik | Rockj: You may want to try out video lan. They are already in the standard repos |
| 19:48.47 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 19:49.06 | valdyn | Rockj: that ^^ doesnt work, unless you grab the packages from sid, they're not in etch atm |
| 19:49.10 | jhony-walldorf | knows someone whether a deb for the teamspeak client is existing? |
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| 19:49.53 | valdyn | !etch nvidia |
| 19:49.54 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 19:49.58 | valdyn | oh neat |
| 19:50.15 | VulpesFoxnik | !etch dhclient |
| 19:50.21 | VulpesFoxnik | meh, worth a try |
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| 19:51.08 | Aashendy | what's the shell name that is extremely locked down ? |
| 19:51.11 | Aashendy | like a jailed shell |
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| 19:51.44 | danieldg | rbash? |
| 19:51.51 | asg | haha |
| 19:52.35 | asg | Aashendy: you probably want to look at the libpam-chroot package |
| 19:52.53 | xjkx | does all linux distributions follow LFSS? |
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| 19:53.37 | VulpesFoxnik | I was wondering why my Dhclient isn't ran at startup... |
| 19:54.05 | wols_ | VulpesFoxnik: your interfaces set up right? |
| 19:54.11 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: man interfaces |
| 19:54.11 | Rockj | valdyn: I plan to use mplayer as main playback and vlc where it doesnt work |
| 19:54.14 | VulpesFoxnik | wols_: Interfances? |
| 19:54.23 | VulpesFoxnik | let me check |
| 19:54.53 | vorbote | Aashendy: rsh/rbash/rcsh .... |
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| 19:55.16 | peterrus | omg,. ettercap scares me |
| 19:55.22 | Aashendy | i'm creating a tunnel with putty |
| 19:55.35 | pelzi_ | Rockj: more like where vlc doesn't work ;) |
| 19:55.38 | Aashendy | and i don't want to give the user shell access |
| 19:55.43 | Aashendy | so rbash should work i guess |
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| 19:56.05 | danieldg | Aashendy: /bin/false might work too |
| 19:56.10 | pelzi_ | no |
| 19:56.12 | pelzi_ | maybe true |
| 19:56.15 | pelzi_ | but not false |
| 19:56.21 | asg | Aashendy: if you are using pub/priv keys, you can prevent a tty from being generated by appending options to the public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 19:56.27 | danieldg | ah, right... |
| 19:56.45 | pelzi_ | cat might be better, it won't terminate |
| 19:57.03 | Jemt | sdf |
| 19:57.06 | Jemt | Ups, sorry |
| 19:57.09 | Aashendy | i'm not using pub/priv keys |
| 19:57.15 | Aashendy | Aashendy: if you are using pub/priv keys, you can prevent a tty |
| 19:57.15 | Aashendy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.15 | Aashendy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.24 | apt | i guess /.ssh/authorized_keys is rsa, 2 is dsa |
| 19:57.24 | Aashendy | sorry |
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| 19:57.30 | Guerin | nope |
| 19:57.46 | Guerin | apt, forget /.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 19:57.47 | apt | i forgot /.ssh/authorized_keys, Guerin |
| 19:58.00 | pelzi_ | do you trust the user, anyway |
| 19:58.21 | Jabka | i cannot find package flash-nonfree could any one help me ? .. |
| 19:58.29 | pelzi_ | add a nonfree source |
| 19:58.43 | pelzi_ | or contrib, who knows |
| 19:58.45 | Aashendy | asg i will look into using pub/priv keys then |
| 19:58.47 | jbrouhard | o-negative: still having that problem. might be cause i don't have something installed |
| 19:58.51 | danieldg | asg: where are those options listed? |
| 19:58.54 | Aashendy | ask: do you know what they options are, or where i can find the m? |
| 19:59.22 | pelzi_ | hmm |
| 19:59.53 | pelzi_ | command="apt-get clean 2>&1 </dev/null >/dev/null ; rdiff-backup --server --restrict-read-only /",from="10.1.1.6",no-port-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,no-pty |
| 19:59.54 | danieldg | ah, found it |
| 20:00.00 | pelzi_ | an excerpt from mine |
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| 20:00.17 | pelzi_ | the key follows |
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| 20:00.44 | asg | danieldg: sshd(8) |
| 20:00.50 | vorbote | Aashendy: I knew I had seen this before: falselogin - False login shell |
| 20:01.00 | pelzi_ | you might want to use command="cat" or something similar |
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| 20:01.39 | Aashendy | thanks guys, i'll go try it out |
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| 20:01.53 | VulpesFoxnik | wols_: What does your /etc/network/interfaces look like? Pm it to me |
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| 20:02.08 | wols_ | VulpesFoxnik: i don't use dhcp. at all |
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| 20:02.12 | VulpesFoxnik | Ah |
| 20:02.23 | secher | Heyas all. Just picked up a Microtek Scanmaker 9800XL. Can't seem to find what packages I need to install from google. Haven't set up a scanner in years.. suggestion? |
| 20:02.23 | VulpesFoxnik | Well I'm not sure what it should look like |
| 20:02.28 | pelzi_ | interface eth0 inet dhcp :P |
| 20:02.31 | VulpesFoxnik | Yes |
| 20:02.34 | VulpesFoxnik | Thats what it has |
| 20:02.42 | pelzi_ | auto eth0 |
| 20:02.46 | VulpesFoxnik | It still doesn't start up dhcp |
| 20:02.54 | VulpesFoxnik | no auto though |
| 20:03.01 | pelzi_ | well that's it |
| 20:03.07 | pelzi_ | ifup eth0 |
| 20:03.15 | pelzi_ | and add auto eth0 to the beginning |
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| 20:03.45 | pelzi_ | and say "pelzi_ hates ifupdown" |
| 20:03.53 | VulpesFoxnik | It was working before. I have no clue why it got changed |
| 20:04.01 | pelzi_ | so take it with a grain of salt. :P |
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| 20:04.16 | VulpesFoxnik | Where do I do the Ifup ? |
| 20:04.22 | pelzi_ | as root |
| 20:04.29 | VulpesFoxnik | what file! |
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| 20:04.36 | pelzi_ | in the shell |
| 20:04.42 | black_13 | !eclipse |
| 20:04.43 | dpkg | it has been said that eclipse is the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable |
| 20:04.57 | pelzi_ | if it spawns a dhclient you are just missing the auto |
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| 20:05.42 | Rockj | hum, vlc isn't in debian repos nor debian-multimedia.org and on vlc's page there is only for sarge and sid. no etch =/ |
| 20:05.54 | pelzi_ | try the sid one |
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| 20:06.59 | psycose | hi |
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| 20:07.46 | zinx | Rockj: it is in debian's respository |
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| 20:08.20 | zinx | Rockj: maybe just not in etch :/ |
| 20:08.27 | psycose | I would like to thanks the debian sparc64 once again, running a Debian Etch (di b3) on a sun blade solaris 150 (sparc64) was very easy, i also install a Debian Sarge (chrooted with debootstrap) and it was so powerfull ... thanks a lot |
| 20:08.52 | pelzi_ | hmm |
| 20:08.53 | Rockj | Ill try to add the sid repos. |
| 20:09.06 | pelzi_ | I'll play with a sunblade 150 soon |
| 20:09.26 | pelzi_ | was there anything you want to tell me? |
| 20:09.52 | Stevie[FP] | how do I know what version of glibc I have? |
| 20:09.59 | asg | Stevie[FP]: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 20:10.20 | Stevie[FP] | 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 20:10.27 | asg | Stevie[FP]: also, other info can be found by running '/lib/libc.so.6' |
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| 20:10.33 | psycose | pelzi_, yes be carefull if you want to install the debian sarge r3/r2 with cdrom because it boot with kernel 2.4 and it can't mount the cdrom in the install process... |
| 20:10.45 | Stevie[FP] | target machine is 2.3.6.ds1-4 |
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| 20:10.53 | Rockj | zinx: it gives me error when doing apt-get update on the vlc sid's deb repos =/ |
| 20:11.06 | psycose | pelzi_, but with debian etch it is so easy .... ;-) |
| 20:11.10 | pelzi_ | ok |
| 20:11.43 | Kinxofsepluv | It even has a gui now in etch setup! |
| 20:11.49 | pelzi_ | well, it's just a box lying around, but I wouldn't mind playing with something non-x86 for a change |
| 20:11.58 | pelzi_ | me too |
| 20:12.09 | pelzi_ | I actually like the openbsd installer :P |
| 20:12.22 | Kinxofsepluv | Never used it tmk |
| 20:12.24 | pelzi_ | it's simple and all |
| 20:13.03 | Newk | hi! anyone know how to enable the scroll-lock key? |
| 20:13.12 | pelzi_ | well, it partitions, downloads some tarballs, explodes them, runs makedev and that's about it |
| 20:13.24 | Kinxofsepluv | ah |
| 20:13.29 | jbrouhard | i give up for now. I'll attack this later. |
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| 20:13.32 | psycose | i now the problem is i got a bug on the Ada compiler i use (gcc-4.1 & gnat-4.1) and i'm just feeling like i'm very alone on this problem ... silly gdb who can't debug mulltithreaded app. |
| 20:14.01 | Kinxofsepluv | psycose: What sort of threading are you using? |
| 20:14.05 | pelzi_ | a bug in the ada compiler... wow |
| 20:14.25 | pelzi_ | wasn't ada about correctness ;) |
| 20:14.41 | black_13 | how do i get eclipise for sarge? |
| 20:15.09 | Guerin | black_13: might be in contrib |
| 20:15.10 | wols_ | I thought ada was for pentagon cost savings |
| 20:15.16 | psycose | whell on solaris the Ada runtime can use Posix thread on native solaris thread. On linux, i think it use the linux threads... |
| 20:15.46 | Kinxofsepluv | Linux should be using gthread or pthreads |
| 20:15.50 | Kinxofsepluv | depending on the software |
| 20:16.11 | psycose | ok so the ada runtime use pthreads... |
| 20:16.39 | Kinxofsepluv | Ada is what? a scripting language? |
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| 20:17.58 | Kinxofsepluv | psycose: Could you pm me the redout of your compile? |
| 20:18.03 | psycose | Kinxofsepluv, Well if you are interested i could send you an introduction doc to Ada |
| 20:18.09 | cbr | aarrghh.. why don't the emails sent by bugs.debian.org have a link to the respective bug |
| 20:18.13 | cbr | that is max annoying |
| 20:18.23 | deadcat | Twisted: what up dude. |
| 20:18.55 | deadcat | Twisted: i am usually either working or running.. havent been checking irc since its in screen |
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| 20:19.33 | deadcat | Twisted: you have my email right? @freeshell.org |
| 20:19.40 | psycose | Kinxofsepluv, oops i did not receive you sorry |
| 20:19.55 | Kinxofsepluv | psycose: Could you pm me the readout of your compile? |
| 20:20.08 | Kinxofsepluv | Maybe somethings wrong with the linker |
| 20:20.36 | deadcat | Twisted: you have a bike in davis? lets go for a bike ride on sat if you're not goin back to CC. |
| 20:21.11 | psycose | readout is you would like to know mmore about the problem ? |
| 20:21.15 | pelzi_ | Ada is a Pascal-like language. |
| 20:21.27 | pelzi_ | Commonly used for mission-critical systems. |
| 20:21.28 | abrotman | ada is ada .. |
| 20:21.37 | Kinxofsepluv | ah |
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| 20:21.46 | Kinxofsepluv | So It's interprited rather than compiled? |
| 20:21.53 | asg | abrotman: wasn't she babbage's wife (or was it daughter)? |
| 20:21.53 | pelzi_ | it is compiled |
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| 20:22.21 | pelzi_ | Ada was the woman who invented programming, don't know about her father or husband. |
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| 20:22.47 | Twisted | deadcat, I live back in CC now dude :P |
| 20:22.53 | Twisted | deadcat, the commute is a biiiitch |
| 20:22.54 | abrotman | asg: ada lovelace |
| 20:22.59 | psycose | i got a really nice paper introducing Ada facts ... but it's in french ... sorry ... |
| 20:23.06 | Sebboh | The Dutches Ada Lovelace wasn't related to Babbage, but she wrote letters back and forth to him. It was in her letters that the first theoretical computer program was written. |
| 20:23.14 | abrotman | asg: you know .. kind of like that legless guy in 'WildWest' with will smith! |
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| 20:23.27 | asg | abrotman: yeah yeah |
| 20:23.48 | Sebboh | *Dutchess, or however you spell it. |
| 20:23.48 | Kinxofsepluv | sorry psycose I don't think I can help you that much. I only know a little about pthreading and only in c |
| 20:24.00 | pelzi_ | Ada is actually a very nice language if you like pascal. much less nasty than C. |
| 20:24.21 | Kinxofsepluv | I'd rather be using python |
| 20:24.24 | psycose | Kinxofsepluv, well the problem is very simple, i launch my Ada application... and it display Killed on the shell ... |
| 20:24.25 | Kinxofsepluv | lol |
| 20:24.29 | Sebboh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace |
| 20:24.35 | pelzi_ | python isn't compiled |
| 20:24.41 | pelzi_ | nor statically typed |
| 20:24.41 | Sebboh | =) I like Ada. She was cool. |
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| 20:24.55 | Kinxofsepluv | pelzi_: Thats what makes it great |
| 20:25.02 | pelzi_ | I didn't say that |
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| 20:25.09 | deadcat | Twisted: oh damn. (= |
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| 20:25.20 | pelzi_ | I like python, but there's something about the saying "right tool for the job" |
| 20:25.20 | deadcat | Twisted: how many days you commute then? |
| 20:25.27 | Twisted | Errr 5. |
| 20:25.30 | deadcat | shit |
| 20:25.52 | deadcat | Twisted: ya.. everytime i drive back to CC is a fucking jam. no matter what hour. |
| 20:25.58 | pelzi_ | perl is good for just one thing |
| 20:26.05 | pelzi_ | obfuscated program contests. |
| 20:26.06 | Kinxofsepluv | Parsing outpud |
| 20:26.11 | Kinxofsepluv | lol |
| 20:26.31 | Twisted | deadcat, really? Normally traffic isnt too bad..? |
| 20:26.34 | wols_ | pelzi_: but you have to admire the evil genius behind the language |
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| 20:26.40 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 20:26.49 | hkais | hi |
| 20:26.54 | Twisted | deadcat, then again Im normally doing like 120 in a emergency lane so wtf would I know |
| 20:27.03 | deadcat | Twisted: i tried 1pm, 4, 5, 7pm.. they all jam |
| 20:27.17 | hkais | how can i remove amavis and postfix messages in the syslog, to put them only in dedicated logfiles |
| 20:27.19 | deadcat | Twisted: hahahah. "move bitch get out the way!" |
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| 20:27.45 | pelzi_ | doesn't syslog contain everything... |
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| 20:27.50 | Stevie[FP] | no |
| 20:27.59 | Twisted | deadcat, Errr... 5pm is horrible. |
| 20:28.02 | Stevie[FP] | Not if the syslog conf doesn't say to |
| 20:28.09 | pelzi_ | well of course... |
| 20:28.13 | pelzi_ | by default. |
| 20:28.14 | Twisted | deadcat, go... 1-3 or 6-whenever |
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| 20:28.59 | deadcat | Twisted: i am actually taking this sem. off.. i had to drop all my classes. |
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| 20:31.03 | deadcat | Twisted: so you on campus right now? have class later on? |
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| 20:31.40 | r3set | gn8 mights |
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| 20:33.15 | hkais | can i change it, to log the amavis and postfix into dedicated files? |
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| 20:34.34 | deadcat | Twisted: i was at the davis bike auction the pass sat.. man those bikes were shits.. and they were going for 60-120$.. i mean shits.. flat tires and cheap shits which cost like 80$ at walmart NEW... i thought mine was $$ when i paid $150 on craigslist.. but after that auction, mine is like hella good deal. |
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| 20:36.22 | piper69 | hi channel |
| 20:36.51 | dutche- | does anybody use shfs on debian? |
| 20:37.15 | pelzi_ | sshfs? |
| 20:37.31 | pelzi_ | shfs is ancient, afaik. |
| 20:37.41 | Stevie[FP] | actually it's officially shfs |
| 20:37.52 | Stevie[FP] | http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 20:37.59 | piper69 | i installed libapache2-mod-php4 phpmyadmin and when i went to my web browser and did http://localhost i got a webpage telling me that i sucessfully install apache2 |
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| 20:38.34 | pelzi_ | nah |
| 20:38.41 | pelzi_ | shfs and sshfs are different |
| 20:38.47 | sepski | piper69, try http://localhost/phpmyadmin |
| 20:38.51 | pelzi_ | shfs uses shell, sshfs uses sftp |
| 20:38.55 | Sebboh | Question: my pcmcia network card (3com 575) isn't detected by udev. (On today's daily build of the etch business card CD.) It worked fine with hotplug. (on the old stable installer CD.) |
| 20:39.22 | Sebboh | I left the question out, whoops! What's wrong? |
| 20:39.37 | abrotman | stupid spelling! |
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| 20:39.48 | piper69 | sepski: but i don't know the username and password |
| 20:39.48 | abrotman | Sebboh: in the installer .. you might have to load the module manually |
| 20:39.55 | pelzi_ | Sebboh: try modprobeing manually |
| 20:39.56 | sepski | piper69, and the docs telling you this are in /usr/share/doc/packagename ! |
| 20:40.08 | sepski | piper69, it uses your mysql users and passwords |
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| 20:40.32 | piper69 | sepski: i don't have mysql |
| 20:40.48 | Sebboh | abrotman, pelzi, I don't exactly know which module to use. I didn't even know what hotplug and pcmcia-cs or udev and pcmciautils were until last night. |
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| 20:40.48 | Stevie[FP] | how would I manage to make a debian package containing iptables 1.3.6? |
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| 20:41.12 | abrotman | !mg |
| 20:41.12 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 20:41.15 | pelzi_ | Sebboh: try all the 3x* modules... sorry, can't remember which it is |
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| 20:41.25 | sepski | piper69, then why the heck do you install phpmyadmin ?????? |
| 20:41.29 | piper69 | sepski: can you just guide me on what to do , say that i wrote a php code and i want to run it, where should i save my .php page |
| 20:41.33 | abrotman | Sebboh: a bit of google might help .. there are about five drivers for 3com cards |
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| 20:41.42 | pelzi_ | nah. |
| 20:41.54 | pelzi_ | easier to modprobe them all than decipher 3Com modeling |
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| 20:42.14 | sepski | piper69, no i dont hold hands. if you can't make the code run you probably write insecure code too. and we have too many open proxies allready. |
| 20:42.26 | abrotman | pelzi_: flip it over .. google "linux driver <model#>" |
| 20:42.42 | pelzi_ | sometimes works, sometimes not |
| 20:43.13 | abrotman | at least try it |
| 20:43.19 | Sebboh | abrotman, pelzi_, well, what if the pcmcia bridge isn't working properly? Earlier, when I tried to upgrade to etch without a full reinstall, I got a lot of 'cardbus not supported' ... Even though it worked with hotplug. |
| 20:43.30 | piper69 | sepski: i am n00be to php and i was following a tutorial the code is <? php echo "Hello world" ?> |
| 20:43.33 | abrotman | how old si the laptop ? |
| 20:43.39 | pelzi_ | is it a pcmcia or cardbus |
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| 20:43.51 | pelzi_ | if pcmcia, I'd use sarge ;) |
| 20:43.55 | Sebboh | it's cardbus, aka 32bit pcmcia. |
| 20:44.11 | Sebboh | it's an IBM Thinkpad 600e. |
| 20:44.17 | abrotman | oh dear lord |
| 20:44.21 | Sebboh | wtf |
| 20:44.26 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 20:44.26 | dutche- | Does anybody some problem with timestamps with SHFS? Cause my timestamps when I create a file it show me the timestamp very weird, and when I create a file locally, it works well |
| 20:44.26 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 20:44.28 | Sebboh | it worked fine last night. |
| 20:44.31 | abrotman | also .. thinkwiki.org |
| 20:44.39 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 20:44.48 | pelzi_ | and get a newer TP ;) |
| 20:44.58 | abrotman | Sebboh: you're running a 2.6 or 2.4 right now ? |
| 20:45.00 | abrotman | or nothing ? |
| 20:45.09 | Sebboh | yes thinkwiki is cool. =) That site told me how to get my sound card working. ..Which motivated me to completely remove sound support from my kernel.. ;) |
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| 20:45.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:46.10 | Sebboh | abrotman, running nothing. Last night I had 2.6.8 + hotplug, and everything was great. With the 2.6.16 upgrade (which includes getting rid of hotplug and pcmcia-cs) I lost cardbus support. |
| 20:46.11 | Stevie[FP] | haha |
| 20:46.21 | pelzi_ | oh well, I think I'll pass out so better go to sleep... 'night. |
| 20:46.28 | abrotman | pcmcia in newer 2.6.* is builtin |
| 20:46.36 | Sebboh | peace pelzi |
| 20:46.55 | Sebboh | abrotman, well I still need pcmciautils.. Which is the pcmcia-cs replacement, right? |
| 20:47.10 | abrotman | -cs was the driverse afik |
| 20:47.11 | abrotman | afaik |
| 20:47.45 | abrotman | Sebboh: so the install doesn't finish? |
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| 20:48.05 | abrotman | Sebboh: not Debian ... but might provide useful clues about working with udev http://www.mueller.ch.vu/misc/tp600e_en.html |
| 20:48.05 | Sebboh | well it's a net install. I haven't tried to proceed without a network device. ;) |
| 20:48.25 | Twisted | deadcat, so are you going to buy a new one of keep yours? |
| 20:48.42 | Sebboh | ubuntu 6.06 will run on a TP 600E ? Nice link, abrotman. =) Maybe I'll just do that. |
| 20:48.56 | piper69 | where can i find my webserver directory please |
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| 20:49.42 | abrotman | Sebboh: eh .. was showing you the pcmcia stuff ... not that ubuntu works |
| 20:49.55 | abrotman | piper69: /var/www/ ususally |
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| 20:50.46 | piper69 | abrotman: thank you, also do you think you will be able just to show me , how i can get my .php file to work |
| 20:50.57 | abrotman | apache1 or 2 ? |
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| 20:51.45 | piper69 | abrotman: 2 |
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| 20:51.55 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 20:51.57 | abrotman | install it |
| 20:52.07 | piper69 | abrotman: did that |
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| 20:55.21 | g3brown | need command to display current link speed. Thought 'ifconfig' did that but I don't see it. |
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| 20:56.35 | pelzi_ | mii-tool |
| 20:56.37 | pelzi_ | ethtool |
| 20:56.52 | pelzi_ | (dammit, couldn't sleep after all) |
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| 20:58.36 | black_13 | Querin yeah i have contrip on sources.list and apt-cache search doesnt give me any joy |
| 20:58.55 | wols_ | contrib |
| 20:58.59 | cydork | black_13, contrip? |
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| 21:00.48 | nethenson | I am using KDE 3.5.5 in Debian Testing. When kde asks me for the root password (e.g. k3b setup, or laptop_acpi), it always says 'invalid password' ; I have no problem with with 'su' |
| 21:00.49 | black_13 | cydork yes yes i have spelling problems |
| 21:01.24 | RichiH | nethenson: is your root password empty? |
| 21:01.27 | cydork | black_13, ya i am still waiting for irssi checkspell script :P |
| 21:01.46 | wols_ | cydork: ask for a "fix nick complete" script for me please |
| 21:01.47 | nethenson | no |
| 21:02.02 | nethenson | no, RichiH |
| 21:02.05 | piper69 | abrotman: any suggestions |
| 21:02.11 | Sebboh | Hmm. Well, abrotman, the solution was pci=noacpi as a boot parameter. This probably would have worked on my existing installation. Oh well. This new installer for etch is fun. Gui seems to work ok. |
| 21:02.14 | RichiH | nethenson: no idea,then |
| 21:02.15 | cydork | wols_, sure :P |
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| 21:02.49 | Mr-R | nethenson: i've got the same problem. and no solution... :-/ |
| 21:03.12 | Sebboh | I want a script that parses accepts sed commands and applies them to people's onw lines. |
| 21:03.21 | Sebboh | s/onw/own/ |
| 21:03.32 | Sebboh | so that my line would automagically be corrected on your screen. =) |
| 21:03.40 | amphi | cydork: there is an irssi script that uses a dictionary to let you tab complete any word... |
| 21:03.48 | pelzi_ | I thought about that a while ago |
| 21:03.57 | RichiH | Sebboh: s/own/own/, you mean? |
| 21:04.02 | nethenson | Mr-R: in #kde they told me that this may be due to a change in kdesu 3.5.5 but that seems to only affect debian |
| 21:04.08 | RichiH | amphi: that is neat, actually |
| 21:04.11 | pelzi_ | what if you sed the sed expression ;) |
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| 21:04.16 | cydork | amphi, yay... will try that then :) |
| 21:04.17 | RichiH | though it makes you laaaaaaaaaaayz |
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| 21:04.28 | Sebboh | RichiH, uh.. ? |
| 21:04.36 | psycose | Is there any gcc expert ? i'm looking tips to learn more why my app get killed at launch? |
| 21:04.40 | RichiH | 23:03:12 < Sebboh> so that my line would automagically be corrected on your screen. =) |
| 21:04.55 | amphi | cydork: it's on the irssi site - dictcomplete.pl |
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| 21:05.09 | Newk | anyone could help me how to enable the scroll lock key in debian on my laptop? |
| 21:05.30 | amphi | Newk: make it behave like ctrl-s? |
| 21:05.31 | Sebboh | RichiH, right, but unless you already have this technology on your client, my previous line contains the deliberate typo: "onw". |
| 21:05.53 | hkais | noone here who knows how to remove log entries from syslog (i want to remove postfix, amavis). The entries should only go into mail.log |
| 21:06.08 | cydork | amphi, thanks a lot man ! :) |
| 21:06.13 | amphi | cydork: ;) |
| 21:06.17 | sussudio | hkais: man syslog.conf |
| 21:06.18 | Newk | amphi: it beeps.. but nothing happens |
| 21:06.23 | RichiH | Sebboh: i am from the future |
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| 21:06.29 | Mr-R | nethenson: my kdebase-bin packet is still 3.5.4... |
| 21:06.34 | hkais | sussudio: i haven't found it |
| 21:06.43 | sussudio | hkais: sucks to be you then. |
| 21:06.55 | Sebboh | RichiH, name a stock to invest in. =) |
| 21:07.02 | nethenson | Mr-R: yes, mine too |
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| 21:07.13 | amphi | Newk: what keycode does it generate? use showkey |
| 21:07.17 | hkais | sussudio: many thanks man! really helpful |
| 21:07.18 | amphi | Newk: 70 here |
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| 21:07.32 | sussudio | hkais: i helped you. it's not my fault you're lazy. |
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| 21:07.42 | RichiH | Sebboh: google |
| 21:07.53 | Sebboh | (He *is* from the future!) |
| 21:08.09 | hkais | sussudio: again thanks, i have studied it, but dont understand |
| 21:08.09 | RichiH | indeed |
| 21:08.21 | RichiH | watch me do the mechanical man! |
| 21:08.27 | pourriture | is it possible to use the etch installer to install sarge on newer hardware? I am planning on using a kernel from backports, but I am not sure at which point in the install to manually change sources.list. |
| 21:08.34 | sussudio | hkais: maybe linux is not for you. |
| 21:08.51 | stew | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 21:08.52 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.18 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm (See creator's warnings) |
| 21:08.58 | hkais | sussudio: idiot! |
| 21:09.01 | RichiH | hkais, sussudio: just ignore each other and spare us the useless back and forth :) |
| 21:09.10 | RichiH | or you buy popcorn |
| 21:09.14 | sussudio | RichiH: do a lastlog on me. then call hkais an idiot. |
| 21:09.20 | Newk | amphi: 0x46 0xc6 |
| 21:09.25 | stew | pourriture: see what dpkg said. there are several sarge installers there with newer kernels |
| 21:09.35 | edju | Im running stable. I'd like to install banshee, which is only in unstable. If I add unstable to sources.list, I'm afraid I'll get all of it in the local database. What's thee best way to install from unstable? Any clues for the clueless appreciated. |
| 21:09.38 | RichiH | sussudio: don't you think i did? ;) |
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| 21:09.51 | wols_ | !tell edju about simple sid backport |
| 21:09.57 | Sebboh | pourriture, no. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata <-- says that etch installer beta three does not support sarge installtions |
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| 21:10.07 | pelzi_ | or backports |
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| 21:10.14 | RichiH | sussudio: it's our old discussion about saying nothing being better (or not? ;) than being offensive :) |
| 21:10.19 | sussudio | RichiH: he doesn't belong in here. he got the help he needed and he didn't want it. |
| 21:10.33 | RichiH | wols_: simple sid backport? reinstall? |
| 21:10.40 | sussudio | it's not like syslog.conf is brainsurgery. |
| 21:10.46 | wols_ | RichiH: hm? |
| 21:11.08 | RichiH | wols_: oh, i misparsed that as simple sid rollback |
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| 21:11.27 | amphi | Newk: 70 decimal - does dumpkeys | grep 70 show a line containing 'keycode 70 = Scroll_Lock' ? |
| 21:11.35 | RichiH | bleh on time zones ;) |
| 21:11.37 | stew | RichiH: please don't call people stupid in here, just /ignore RichiH if he is bothering you |
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| 21:12.09 | cydork | hehe |
| 21:12.12 | RichiH | sussudio: syslog can be intimidating. still, i am arguing neither point. i just say that ignoring each other works best for both sides :) |
| 21:12.18 | anapivirtua | Nighty all |
| 21:12.21 | pourriture | stew: thank you for the links |
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| 21:12.27 | sussudio | RichiH: he's just going to piss off someone else. |
| 21:13.23 | RichiH | 23:12:10 Ignoring ALL from RichiH |
| 21:13.24 | RichiH | thanks for the advice, sussudio :) |
| 21:13.24 | g3brown | pelzi_: ethtool -i eth0 -> Operation not supported |
| 21:13.24 | RichiH | s/ sussudio / stew / |
| 21:13.24 | pelzi_ | ethtool eth0 ;) |
| 21:13.24 | pelzi_ | well, no ide |
| 21:13.24 | pelzi_ | a |
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| 21:13.31 | pelzi_ | and I'm tired as hell so better be quiet |
| 21:13.33 | Newk | amphi: keycode 70 = Scroll_Lock Show_Memory Show_Registers Show_State |
| 21:13.55 | g3brown | pelzi_: ethtool eth0 -> no data available |
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| 21:14.01 | Newk | amphi: alt keycode 70 = Scroll_Lock |
| 21:14.02 | RichiH | sussudio: not up to now. we both know you are to fast to declare someone unworthy and i am too slow, though ;) |
| 21:14.07 | pelzi_ | and mii-tool? |
| 21:14.12 | RichiH | sussudio: in any case, i need bedsheets |
| 21:14.31 | g3brown | pelzi_: mii-tool eth0 -> bad address |
| 21:14.31 | sussudio | RichiH: been eating the rotten strudel again? |
| 21:14.37 | RichiH | its 3 in the morning and i did not sleep much the last week |
| 21:14.43 | Newk | amphi: if i do that key with alt... it beeps... but nothing happens... the light on the laptop doesnt go on either |
| 21:14.48 | RichiH | sussudio: curry |
| 21:14.53 | amphi | Newk: then it should Just Work(tm) |
| 21:14.55 | pelzi_ | g3brown: tell the network card it is stupid (it is wired ether, isn't it...) |
| 21:14.58 | sussudio | salmonella cha cha cha |
| 21:15.19 | g3brown | pelzi_: yeah, it intel nic on mb |
| 21:15.34 | amphi | Newk: why alt? you want the 'show memory' behaviour? |
| 21:15.37 | edju | wols_, OK Thanks a lot. |
| 21:15.38 | g3brown | pelzi_: I told it verbally it was stupid. was I supposed to type that? |
| 21:15.47 | pelzi_ | nah. |
| 21:15.51 | pelzi_ | well, try dmesg |
| 21:15.56 | Newk | how can i check in xterm if scroll lock works? (never used that key before... i need it now to turn off keybindings in blackbox) |
| 21:16.05 | pelzi_ | sometimes they say "link up foo mbps" when plugged in |
| 21:16.08 | Newk | amphi: how can i check in xterm if scroll lock works? (never used that key before... i need it now to turn off keybindings in blackbox) |
| 21:16.10 | RichiH | sussudio: unlikely in this place |
| 21:16.20 | g3brown | pelzi_: dmesg shows it and the link speed. I looking for a quicker qay |
| 21:16.41 | pelzi_ | dmesg | grep | tail -1 ;) |
| 21:16.50 | amphi | Newk: make something scroll and press the key,and see if it stops |
| 21:17.10 | pelzi_ | ah, dammit, I'll try to sleep again |
| 21:17.19 | amphi | Newk: should behave like ctrl-s |
| 21:17.28 | amphi | Newk: and ctrl-q |
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| 21:19.25 | Jippi | http://paste-bin.com/1025 Any suggestions how i can solve this apt problem ? :x |
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| 21:20.42 | amphi | Newk: in X, you might like to to use xev to see what the key is doing |
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| 21:22.40 | nethenson | Jippi: try to leave only one line in your sources.list (the main line); then apt-get update; apt-get install dpkg apt |
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| 21:23.08 | Jippi | APT::Cache-Limit 16777216; fixed it it seem :o |
| 21:23.26 | Tido | with apt-get, I find I have to fight dependancies all of the time. For example, I'm trying to install icecast2 from apt-get, but there is a decent list of dependancies - some that can't be found and some where the available or installed version isn't high enough. I have to be missing something obvious in getting around this, anyone know? |
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| 21:26.25 | Newk | amphi: thanks for the help so far, i'll have to try that later then |
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| 21:26.40 | stew | Tido: are you trying to mix stable and testing? |
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| 21:27.03 | stew | Tido: my guess is that you have tried to install some testing packages then revert to stable |
| 21:27.09 | Tido | probably so |
| 21:27.20 | Tido | because I think I had to do testing sources to install php5 |
| 21:27.24 | stew | Tido: mixing stable with non-stable is not recommended or supported |
| 21:27.29 | Newk | amphi: ow.. it is installed.. looking now |
| 21:27.31 | isofunk | Hi |
| 21:27.32 | Ragnaroek | sup |
| 21:27.33 | unixslut | sup? |
| 21:27.35 | kanedaddy | yo |
| 21:27.45 | RichiH | sdown |
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| 21:27.53 | stew | Tido: you should use backports for php5 /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:28.07 | amphi | Newk: sorry, I may have missed something - there was a lacuna |
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| 21:28.39 | stew | Tido: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" into a pastebin? /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:29.19 | Tido | sure |
| 21:29.29 | Newk | amphi: using xev... i see it looks at keycode 77 |
| 21:29.38 | margiolas | how I can set up xgl on debian etch. I have xorg 7.1 and kde 3.5. I have found some tutorials but they aren't appropriate for xorg 7.1 also I have ati........ |
| 21:29.45 | kanedaddy | no |
| 21:29.46 | unixslut | out of interest |
| 21:29.48 | Ragnaroek | you tell me |
| 21:29.48 | isofunk | don't know |
| 21:29.50 | amphi | Newk: what keysym? |
| 21:30.28 | Tido | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4109 |
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| 21:30.45 | amphi | Newk: Scroll_Lock keycode 78 here, FWIW |
| 21:30.51 | Newk | amphi: 0xfef9, Pointer_EnableKeys |
| 21:31.32 | amphi | Newk: ah, you (or something) has remapped it |
| 21:31.43 | Newk | amphi: ai! |
| 21:31.47 | stew | Tido: well that's good that libc6 is still the sarge version, but there are no mirrors listed there, try running "apt-setup" then try installing icecast again |
| 21:32.05 | Tido | ok, thanks stew! |
| 21:32.26 | Newk | amphi: any tool for that? maybe a ready set for my laptop specific? :p |
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| 21:36.04 | amphi | Newk: xmodmap -e 'keycode 77 = Scroll_Lock' should give the default behaviour IMHO |
| 21:36.34 | amphi | Newk: laptop? see linux-laptop.org and/or tuxmobil.org perhaps |
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| 21:38.15 | Tido | hey stew, sorry to bother you again, I did apt-setup and it did it's thing nicely, however it still isn't going to make installing icecast from apt any easier: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4110 |
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| 21:39.19 | stew | Tido: it appears that you have the testing version of icecast2 installed. "dpkg -r icecast2" should remove it, then "apt-get install icecast2" |
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| 21:40.23 | Tido | yup, that did the trick |
| 21:40.32 | Tido | learned my lesson about mixing testing and stable :x |
| 21:41.43 | stew | Tido: instead of installing testing pacakges onto stable you want to install backported packages, /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:41.59 | Miesco | Is there a remote web interface to mplayer or xmms or something? |
| 21:42.18 | Eclipser | to change songs? |
| 21:42.20 | Tido | thanks stew, I added the backport sources |
| 21:42.35 | Miesco | Eclipser: Yea |
| 21:42.43 | Eclipser | Miesco, there is one for xmms2 at least |
| 21:43.19 | amphi | Miesco: mplayer has a slave mode, if that's any use |
| 21:43.33 | Miesco | I need web interface |
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| 21:46.17 | evilbulgarian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.44 | abrotman | gtk-theme-switch2 |
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| 21:47.32 | evilbulgarian__ | abrotman: dont see that in the apt repos |
| 21:47.43 | Lim-Dul | hello |
| 21:47.48 | abrotman | evilbulgarian__: apt-file search gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 21:47.53 | erps2 | How can I log all incoming connections? |
| 21:47.54 | Lim-Dul | Does anyone know if apt-get leaves any logs? |
| 21:48.17 | Lim-Dul | I want to track which packages I have uninstalled |
| 21:48.38 | Lim-Dul | I think I may have uninstalled confixx on my server while uninstalling postfixx ;-) |
| 21:48.56 | nethenson | Lim-Dul: dpkg -l | grep ^r |
| 21:49.15 | abrotman | Lim-Dul: which version of debian do you have ? |
| 21:49.33 | Lim-Dul | nethenson - thanks |
| 21:49.40 | nethenson | :) |
| 21:49.42 | Lim-Dul | his answer solved it |
| 21:49.45 | abrotman | hi |
| 21:49.47 | erps2 | or at the very least log what IP addresses are connecting. Only need to do it for about 15 minutes :\ |
| 21:49.53 | abrotman | ok .. then i won't tell you about the log |
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| 21:53.02 | tam | stupid question: after adding another group to a uswer in /etc/groups how do i get the system to recognise they are part of that group straight away? |
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| 21:53.54 | Caelum | tam: you can't, the user must log out and log back in |
| 21:54.06 | tam | Caelum: thats what i thought :( |
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| 22:01.07 | sancho___ | what package contains the 'strings' binary? |
| 22:01.48 | amphi | sancho___: binutils I think |
| 22:01.57 | abrotman | !tell sancho___ about search |
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| 22:04.53 | edju | Trying to install banshee from unstable into this stable system. Could some kind soul look at http://rafb.net/paste/results/MVv5bu55.nln.html and let me know if the error is fatal? |
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| 22:06.54 | sancho___ | grazi all, strings was indeed in binutils |
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| 22:08.36 | xjkx | could you give me an example of softwares that cant run in older kernels, like softwares that run only in 2.4.3x |
| 22:08.53 | stew | xjkx: udev |
| 22:09.15 | stew | oh, only in older kernels, that is something that will only run in newer kernels, nevermind |
| 22:09.30 | xjkx | mm |
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| 22:10.29 | stew | xjkx: ipchains |
| 22:10.44 | abrotman | tulip cards :) |
| 22:10.58 | xjkx | stew what about ipchains, runs in what kernels, and dont run in what kernels? :D |
| 22:11.00 | abrotman | dunno if ipchains really counts .. there is iptables now |
| 22:11.07 | xjkx | it counts |
| 22:11.17 | abrotman | and the syntax from what i remember .. is fairly similar |
| 22:11.38 | abrotman | there are plenty of apps that have been abandoned and wouldn't work on a newer system |
| 22:11.55 | stew | xjkx: ipchains runs in 2.4 kernels but not 2.6 kernels afaik, try "ipchains -L" if you have it installed |
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| 22:11.59 | xjkx | abrotman, just wanna prove that there are softwares that cant be ran in x or y kernel, people are saying every software runs in every kernel |
| 22:12.09 | tam | i know i should know this but tis really bugging me. how do i make sure that all files that get moved into a specific dir have all the same perms as the files already residing in that dir? |
| 22:12.11 | yoo | if a keyboard modifier can be used to emulate the right mouse button with the left one ? |
| 22:12.13 | xjkx | stew, thanks |
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| 22:12.17 | abrotman | oh .. xjk |
| 22:12.28 | abrotman | xjkx: maybe ask #kernel |
| 22:12.51 | xjkx | mm ok, but i think ipchains is enough, thanks |
| 22:12.52 | stew | xjkx: ipchains no longer works becuase it is abandoned in favor of iptables which does everything ipchains did and more |
| 22:13.03 | stew | xjkx: anything based on devfs won't work in 2.6.13 or later |
| 22:13.08 | abrotman | but there are actually older items that just don't plain work anymore |
| 22:13.51 | abrotman | like .. ISAPnP .. i believe has been fully deprecated and abandoned |
| 22:13.51 | xjkx | stew, you mean devfs, the /dev ? :p -newbie- |
| 22:13.57 | abrotman | or rather .. isapnptools |
| 22:14.07 | xjkx | mmm |
| 22:14.12 | abrotman | xjkx: there are many ways to create a /dev/ ... devfs and udev are two of them |
| 22:14.15 | stew | !devfs |
| 22:14.16 | dpkg | it has been said that devfs is obsolete and was [basically] removed from Linux from 2.6.13, or ask me about devfs faq |
| 22:14.27 | abrotman | !isapnptools |
| 22:14.30 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 22:14.30 | dpkg | methinks isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
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| 22:14.45 | xjkx | ! devfs faq |
| 22:14.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, devfs faq is at http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~rgooch/linux/docs/devfs.html |
| 22:14.59 | xjkx | thanks folks |
| 22:16.16 | jplibre | Not debian-specific, but what the heck - Anyone have any opinions on the best Core2 Duo/Nvidia SLI motherboard? 975X? Nforce4 due to more maturity? Go with a single PCIe-X16 slot and a single-card SLI 7950? |
| 22:17.50 | lunitik | And ew @ isa |
| 22:17.51 | jplibre | directing people at OSS docs is good sometimes :) |
| 22:17.56 | jplibre | when it exists and is maintained ;) |
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| 22:18.16 | jplibre | hahaha, I have to dig back a bit to find a motherboard that even HAS ISA |
| 22:18.33 | lunitik | jplibre: 2.4.x is still maintained... doesn't mean its a good idea for most |
| 22:18.36 | h3sp4wn | hotplug2 looks interesting (don't really like udev) |
| 22:18.36 | jplibre | die die die ISA |
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| 22:18.51 | jplibre | lunitik: I was talking about docs, not the software |
| 22:19.08 | lunitik | jplibre: ohhh... gotcha... haha |
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| 22:19.14 | jplibre | old unmaintained software can work great ;) |
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| 22:19.43 | yoo | if a keyboard modifier can be used to emulate the right mouse button with the left one ? |
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| 22:20.19 | jplibre | I set a bunch of internal stuff I did loose in one department ages ago and it is apparently still in use. |
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| 22:20.51 | jplibre | it's Free Software but very specific ... and I didn't have time to document it, but it worked, so ... I wash my hands of it. |
| 22:21.18 | jplibre | yoo: what, do you have a mac mouse? :) |
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| 22:21.45 | jplibre | yoo: j/k ... Yes, you can. xmodmap |
| 22:21.55 | yoo | oki |
| 22:21.59 | yoo | thanks |
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| 22:22.21 | jplibre | yoo: have you used it? run 'xev' to get the codes you need |
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| 22:23.14 | jplibre | there may be some easier way to do it, but I have used that to switch around the bunch of buttons on my trackball and keyboard |
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| 22:24.59 | yoo | jplibre: oki |
| 22:25.01 | yoo | thx |
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| 22:28.08 | Joe7 | hi |
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| 22:33.54 | sandman | Anyone know why totem would play music, but not Rythmbox? |
| 22:34.39 | zam | how to boot to expert mod in the installer ? |
| 22:34.57 | sandman | rhythmbox, rather. |
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| 22:37.05 | azeem | sandman: check whether you have totem-xine or totem-gstreamer installed |
| 22:37.16 | azeem | the former has different codepaths than rhythmbox |
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| 22:40.20 | sandman | totem-xine |
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| 22:41.23 | mick_linux | anyone use debian on an embedded platform? |
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| 22:41.47 | sokminer | hi all |
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| 22:43.39 | sandman | Yeah wouldn't you know it, rhythmbox won't play a thing. |
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| 22:50.02 | nethenson | I am using an Intel Centrino, how can i compile C code so that it can run on a sparc? |
| 22:50.53 | pihhan | you need to install sparc cross compiler package |
| 22:51.13 | pihhan | and use --host or something like in ./configure script |
| 22:51.35 | pihhan | but i dont know how to make or get sparc compiler for i386 :) |
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| 22:52.32 | nethenson | I'll google for cross compiler; thanks for the keywords, pihhan :) |
| 22:53.19 | phogg | when reading with mail(1), read mail used to be auto-copied to my mbox in my home directory but is now kept in my mail spool. How do I get the old functionality back? |
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| 23:00.20 | pgr_ | hi |
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| 23:00.56 | pgr_ | is it possible to see which cpu a process is running in? |
| 23:01.33 | e1ven | I've been getting segfaults with Apache2.. It won't successfully run.. Can anyone help me track down what module/etc is causing it? |
| 23:01.33 | e1ven | [Wed Oct 18 18:57:18 2006] [notice] child pid 25318 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 23:01.33 | e1ven | [Wed Oct 18 18:57:20 2006] [notice] child pid 25347 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 23:01.33 | e1ven | [Wed Oct 18 18:57:24 2006] [notice] child pid 25378 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
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| 23:05.15 | e1ven | But any assistance in getting Apache working would be appreciated. |
| 23:06.01 | simonrvn | see the BTS |
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| 23:06.11 | dondelelcaro | e1ven: figure out what those children are running; you might try stripping modules out. |
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| 23:08.04 | e1ven | dondelelcaro, AFAIK, I only have the defaults- Alias/autoindex/env/negotiation/status/authz_host/dir/mime/setenvif |
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| 23:13.30 | Sebboh | someone was speaking earlier about using xev to capture mouse button events. My mouse has two buttons that don't show up at all in xev output. Now what do I do? (The buttons left/right scroll wheel action!) |
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| 23:14.18 | simonrvn | might need to enable it via xorg.conf; |
| 23:14.36 | yoo | jplibre: are you sure i can configured a keyboard touch to do the same thing that mouse click right with xmodmap ? |
| 23:14.43 | simonrvn | Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" |
| 23:15.07 | simonrvn | in the Section "InputDevice"\n Identifier "Your Configured Mouse" |
| 23:15.09 | Sebboh | haxx. |
| 23:15.19 | yoo | i install xkeycaps but i see just a keyboard on screen :) |
| 23:15.19 | jplibre | Sebboh: you are screwed, at first look. But not really. You now need to deal with it at the kernel level. |
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| 23:15.51 | yoo | perhaps a command line |
| 23:15.57 | jplibre | Sebboh: I have this POS 'media' keyboard that doesn't pass all of its buttons nicely to X. So I had to deal with it there |
| 23:16.03 | Sebboh | deal with it how? |
| 23:16.08 | jplibre | yoo: No, I am not sure. :) |
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| 23:16.18 | yoo | okki |
| 23:16.54 | dasani | i've got a laptop with a built-in wireless card, but debian isn't detecting it. i'm thinking this laptop was very much designed for windows.... any ideas on figuring out if it will work in debian? i'm not sure what type of card it is and all I can think of doing is installing windows to see what it detects it as... that would be annoying... |
| 23:17.08 | abrotman | simonrvn: but shouldn't it still result in xev activity ? |
| 23:17.09 | jplibre | Sebboh: Sorry, if you are around in an hour I can get you that, but you need to see how the presses present themselves via usb and then make sure that X gets them. |
| 23:17.15 | Sebboh | can I reload that xorg.conf now? Or do I have to.. well, hell, this is ubuntu, so I suppose I'd reboot. ;) |
| 23:17.41 | jplibre | abrotman: no, not if X doesn't know anything about it - this is the case with a bunch of wheel mice out there... |
| 23:17.49 | abrotman | Sebboh: then you should ask #ubuntu |
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| 23:18.16 | abrotman | jplibre: it's reading hardware activity |
| 23:18.16 | jplibre | I think Sebboh's problem is relevant to Debian. |
| 23:18.24 | abrotman | no it's not .. it's an ubuntu box |
| 23:18.28 | Sebboh | abrotman: ;) I'm here for my laptop. |
| 23:18.42 | jplibre | I can duplicate it right now if you like ;) |
| 23:18.42 | abrotman | Sebboh: but it's running ubuntu .. go to #ubuntu |
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| 23:18.52 | abrotman | jplibre: good for you .. he should go to #ubuntu |
| 23:19.06 | Sebboh | abrot, and jpl is right, my extra buttons don't work in any linux, unless I use some stupid keyboard emulator and tie them to that. |
| 23:19.18 | jplibre | and now you've got me hooked in and I'll waste some time showing you hardware events that xev does not capture. |
| 23:19.29 | abrotman | good .. you can both go to #ubuntu |
| 23:19.36 | jplibre | and then show you how to pass them to X |
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| 23:19.43 | jplibre | Nah, I'm using Debian |
| 23:19.54 | abrotman | but you're helping someone using ubuntu .. go to #ubuntu |
| 23:19.56 | Sebboh | Well, I'm not worried about my mouse at all. Moving on... |
| 23:20.00 | jplibre | and explaining how to do it in Debian |
| 23:20.12 | jplibre | and Sebboh will present to use Debian |
| 23:20.16 | abrotman | pretend .. |
| 23:20.19 | jplibre | Hahahah |
| 23:20.24 | abrotman | moron |
| 23:20.32 | elif | hi all, I have a windows in my partition /dev/hda3, I want to delete it and format this partition for linux (cause I need now more space), how could I format it??? it seems there is any tool to do this work, since fdisk or cfdisk just write partition table (not format)... any help ?! |
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| 23:20.40 | jplibre | hahaha |
| 23:20.42 | Sebboh | Well I am done with this conversation. Thanks anyway, jplibre. |
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| 23:20.59 | abrotman | Sebboh: it would be much appreciated if you'd go to #ubuntu for your Ubuntu problems |
| 23:21.11 | jplibre | abrotman: way to engender conversation and community. |
| 23:21.13 | abrotman | if jplibre would like to help you .. he can msg you or join you there |
| 23:21.23 | Sebboh | I ... Don't... Have... Any... Ubuntu... Questions. Thank you. |
| 23:21.23 | jplibre | abrotman: and do you know what the IQ associated with 'moron' is? |
| 23:21.25 | abrotman | jplibre: i have no idea what language you speak natively .. but i hope it's not english |
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| 23:21.47 | streuner | german? :-) |
| 23:21.48 | Sebboh | And I can read the topic. |
| 23:22.14 | elif | another question... what the hell is the code for ext3 fs type in cfdisk ?!?! |
| 23:22.22 | abrotman | 83 i believe |
| 23:22.29 | streuner | uh, no |
| 23:22.31 | elif | it just display linux type |
| 23:22.34 | streuner | 83 is linux :-) |
| 23:22.35 | elif | for 83 |
| 23:22.45 | jplibre | abrotman: Strike 1 |
| 23:22.47 | Sebboh | elif, use fdisk to set the partition type to 82, (linux ext2) or whatever partition type you like. then use mkfs.ext2, or whatnot. The "format" command is mkfs. |
| 23:22.48 | abrotman | which i think is the number for ext3 |
| 23:23.02 | streuner | 82 is swap :-) |
| 23:23.07 | Sebboh | I guess 82 is swap. |
| 23:23.11 | abrotman | mine is 83 .. and ext3 .. thanks |
| 23:23.14 | Sebboh | jinx! |
| 23:23.21 | elif | thks Sebboh. :-) |
| 23:23.24 | jplibre | abrotman: oh, wrong question. IQ 50-69 is Moron. |
| 23:23.32 | abrotman | i knew that also .. go away |
| 23:23.36 | jplibre | I can triple most of that range. |
| 23:23.41 | streuner | just use "83" and format it whatever filesystem you need |
| 23:24.02 | streuner | jplibre: haha |
| 23:24.03 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's early! ..stay up .. eat poutine! |
| 23:24.04 | elif | Sebboh: do you know the ext3 code in cfdisk ?! |
| 23:24.04 | Sebboh | str, I used an xfs file system once, I'm pretty sure that it wasn't 83. |
| 23:24.13 | Sebboh | 83... |
| 23:24.22 | streuner | it was :-) |
| 23:24.27 | abrotman | elif: i gave it to you |
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| 23:24.35 | simonrvn | abrotman: i'm.... trying... but... jplibre is boring me to ...sleep |
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| 23:24.52 | abrotman | simonrvn: boring? that's supposed to be boring? |
| 23:24.55 | jplibre | simonrvn: I do my best. |
| 23:25.11 | abrotman | simonrvn: that's hardly the description i'd give it |
| 23:25.18 | elif | yeah but I was suspecting if it was the correct... kiding, its because the cfdisk display it as "linux type"... |
| 23:25.25 | simonrvn | ow |
| 23:25.29 | jplibre | anyway, back to work elsewhere |
| 23:25.33 | elif | not ext3 type |
| 23:26.00 | Sebboh | my working system has ext3, and the type is set to 83, as automagically configured by the debian installer. |
| 23:26.00 | jplibre | elif: yes, you will also, for instance, use type 83 for reiserfs. |
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| 23:26.36 | simonrvn | only if you're fucking with lvm, swap, or some other thing do you need to change that |
| 23:26.51 | streuner | /dev/hda1 1 608 4883728+ 83 Linux |
| 23:27.02 | streuner | and that's XFS |
| 23:27.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:27.14 | jplibre | simonrvn: like md/software RAID |
| 23:27.20 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 23:27.39 | simonrvn | like, i don't need to do this on my macs ... |
| 23:27.44 | Sebboh | I have a radiator that does not have an exit pipe. Well, it has one, but it isn't connected to anything.. it seems to be open. (!) Why isn't there water all over my floor? |
| 23:27.45 | jplibre | I find this 'not being able to reverse-engineer NTFS' crap very tedious |
| 23:27.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:27.57 | simonrvn | touche |
| 23:28.13 | simonrvn | fuck |
| 23:28.18 | abrotman | oh .. he's speaking french! |
| 23:28.18 | mike | wow |
| 23:28.26 | abrotman | Sebboh: it's empty |
| 23:28.27 | jplibre | touche comes out as ... douche |
| 23:28.28 | jplibre | I fear :) |
| 23:28.35 | simonrvn | i know :/ |
| 23:28.40 | simonrvn | touche' |
| 23:28.43 | Sebboh | fúck |
| 23:28.52 | jplibre | fuque |
| 23:28.58 | jplibre | if we're talking seals |
| 23:28.58 | elif | now onether question... I will mount my new partition in /multimedia (and put movies, and other stuff), Can I replicate the line in my /etc/fstab that mount my "/", I mean I would like to write normally on this partition... |
| 23:29.03 | simonrvn | phoque |
| 23:29.11 | jplibre | yes |
| 23:29.20 | jplibre | as you can see, I do not speak French :) |
| 23:29.26 | simonrvn | va donc fucker mon phoque, estie d'fucker ;p |
| 23:29.31 | jplibre | but that was the first word we learned back in middle school. |
| 23:29.41 | streuner | abrotman: you should visit Paris |
| 23:29.59 | abrotman | streuner: there are lots of things i should do :) |
| 23:30.17 | simonrvn | abrotman: i finally got to visit the reclamation site |
| 23:30.23 | Sebboh | Simonrvn, you can install the en.us-isoblahblah-15, and then use digraphs. That's what I use: éúï |
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| 23:30.30 | abrotman | reclaimation ? |
| 23:30.37 | abrotman | simonrvn: in qeubec ? |
| 23:30.38 | simonrvn | google it ;) |
| 23:30.40 | abrotman | quebec |
| 23:30.41 | simonrvn | ontario |
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| 23:31.05 | elif | \/dev/hda3 /multimidia ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 23:31.11 | abrotman | simonrvn: do you get any ? |
| 23:31.14 | simonrvn | what's helping is the echinacea and garlic |
| 23:31.29 | simonrvn | abrotman: any what? |
| 23:31.35 | jplibre | drown yourself in that stuff streuner gave you - works every time (echinacea and garlic if it's too late) |
| 23:31.54 | jplibre | do you get any ... SPAM? |
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| 23:31.58 | Sebboh | simonrvn, but I've never got the digraphs working properly on debian. I can make them work all the time or never, but I can't switch keyboard layouts on the fly. :( |
| 23:32.00 | simonrvn | Sebboh: utf-8 here |
| 23:32.08 | abrotman | simonrvn: of whatever you're reclaiming :) |
| 23:32.14 | streuner | abrotman: http://www.pbase.com/frelaix/paris_galleries |
| 23:32.31 | simonrvn | abrotman: i'm not, six nations is |
| 23:32.45 | simonrvn | jplibre: at the store |
| 23:32.54 | abrotman | simonrvn: right ... do you get a chunk? :) |
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| 23:33.00 | abrotman | streuner: can i take a catacombs tour ? |
| 23:33.07 | jplibre | You too can receive 50 million spams a day |
| 23:33.09 | streuner | sure |
| 23:33.15 | simonrvn | i'm not haudenosaunee ;) |
| 23:33.25 | abrotman | no . .i'm serious |
| 23:33.27 | streuner | abrotman: i didn't do that, but i think its possible |
| 23:33.34 | abrotman | i guess i should ask jethro |
| 23:33.38 | simonrvn | i am too |
| 23:34.03 | jplibre | abrotman: riddle me this. Do you understand the difference between scancodes and keycodes? |
| 23:34.06 | abrotman | streuner: who is frelaix ? |
| 23:34.19 | abrotman | jplibre: why are you asking me ? |
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| 23:34.38 | jplibre | abrotman: because you claimed that all hardware events would be picked up by xev. |
| 23:34.45 | abrotman | what is this .. "abuse abrotman night" .. first three people to do so get a free hotdog! |
| 23:34.49 | streuner | abrotman: Fred Relaix |
| 23:34.54 | simonrvn | Sebboh: i usually use a compose key.. in kde it works, gnome not. i should stop fucking the dog and set it up via xmodmap |
| 23:34.56 | abrotman | streuner: that's not you :) |
| 23:35.02 | abrotman | jplibre: and they should be |
| 23:35.11 | simonrvn | !abuse abrotman |
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| 23:35.18 | abrotman | jplibre: i've never had one not be |
| 23:35.21 | Sebboh | simon, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8859-15 |
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| 23:35.37 | jplibre | abrotman: Actually, I believe you were abusing other people, but whatever. I've no problem with you, just incorrect information. |
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| 23:35.51 | jplibre | not all scancodes are mapped to keycodes by default |
| 23:35.51 | simonrvn | i don't care about iso-8859-15 ;). sorry |
| 23:36.03 | streuner | abrotman: look at his photos, he is an artist, these photos are just great... |
| 23:36.09 | abrotman | jplibre: you sohld get stuff from the mouse |
| 23:36.15 | abrotman | streuner: i like the B&W |
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| 23:36.41 | jplibre | you can use xbindkeys to map the unbound ones |
| 23:36.54 | abrotman | eh .. why can't i ever get empty city streets :) |
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| 23:37.15 | simonrvn | Sebboh: thank you anyway |
| 23:37.19 | Sebboh | simonrvn, well, my keys works, and yours don't. ;) ô |
| 23:37.27 | Sebboh | kk |
| 23:37.55 | abrotman | streuner: did you just go ? |
| 23:38.04 | Odaeus | Hi, does anyone know if CUPS is broken in testing at the moment or if there are instructions relating to its SSL and authorization stuff specific to Debian? |
| 23:38.29 | streuner | abrotman: to Paris, no - i wasn't there since last year |
| 23:38.47 | abrotman | and you didn't stop and say hello to me ? |
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| 23:39.31 | streuner | abrotman: well, i think you weren't in Paris at all (europe) |
| 23:39.48 | abrotman | nope .. not allowed out of the cage |
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| 23:40.57 | streuner | abrotman: a lot of people out of US visit Paris, A'dam or Hamburg |
| 23:41.18 | Odaeus | Alternatively, has anyone successfully installed and configured CUPS from testing in the last 2 weeks? :) |
| 23:41.27 | abrotman | Odaeus: nothing in the bts ? |
| 23:41.35 | streuner | abrotman: in summertime the streets are full with tourits out of america (Amsterdam) |
| 23:41.45 | abrotman | dasani: evian ? |
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| 23:41.58 | abrotman | streuner: amsterdam doesn't hold much interest for me |
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| 23:42.28 | abrotman | streuner: let me rephrase .. it does .. but not for the typical reason americans go |
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| 23:42.29 | jplibre | phorcel: how do you define 'useless'??? |
| 23:42.42 | Odaeus | abrotman: nothing exactly the same as mine, one similar but without solution, although there are 100+ bugs in there. |
| 23:42.57 | streuner | abrotman: what would be a typical reason for you? |
| 23:42.59 | abrotman | Odaeus: buggy printing in linux .. golly :) |
| 23:43.04 | jplibre | phorce1: I have a bunch of users using it, works great on the desktop |
| 23:43.08 | loquitus_of_borg | Can anybody tell me what these errors mean? http://paste.husk.org/6941 |
| 23:43.23 | phorce1 | jplibre: Home machine used mostly for browsing useless sites that need java plugin and flash |
| 23:43.24 | abrotman | streuner: i think it'd be intersting .. the typical reason for americans is the legality of certain substances banned in the states |
| 23:43.27 | streuner | your HD dying |
| 23:43.41 | abrotman | loquitus_of_borg: back up all your data |
| 23:43.42 | streuner | 51 indicates in most case, that the HD is fucked |
| 23:43.43 | abrotman | now |
| 23:43.43 | jplibre | phorce1: some dual-proc, dual-core, some single-proc. original AMD64 up through FX. |
| 23:43.45 | Odaeus | abrotman: heh, it's a pity the printing works fine, it's just CUPS over-zealous security configuration in Debian (I think) |
| 23:44.01 | phorce1 | jplibre: neither works in 64bit userland yet |
| 23:44.11 | abrotman | gnash might work in pure64 |
| 23:44.17 | abrotman | and java does work |
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| 23:44.39 | jplibre | phorce1: but you're right that at the moment Intel has jumped ahead. Core 2 is beautiful. |
| 23:44.42 | phorce1 | jplibre: and I don't need native access to 4G+ RAM when the box only has 512M |
| 23:44.42 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 23:45.21 | phorce1 | abrotman: java works -- but not java-plugin for FireFox |
| 23:45.49 | dhuv | I am trying to compile akamaru and doing make gives me akamaru.c:16:18: error: glib.h: No such file or directory, but I did apt-get install libglib2.0-dev and make sure that /usr/include/glib-2.0 is in the ld.so.conf and rand ldconfig but I still get this error |
| 23:45.52 | abrotman | bah .. FF sucks .. use something else :) |
| 23:45.59 | Sebboh | loquitus, well, those are the type of errors you might see if your hard disk has physical errors. |
| 23:45.59 | dhuv | does anybody know if I am missing anything else? |
| 23:46.09 | abrotman | dhuv: sarge? etch? |
| 23:46.13 | Odaeus | abrotman: what, like IceWeasel? :P |
| 23:46.18 | jplibre | Hmmm. I'll have to double check with folks to see about the Java issue. I'm using Opterons for servers and my own system, and everything works. |
| 23:46.20 | abrotman | Odaeus: amaya! |
| 23:46.26 | dhuv | abrotman: testing |
| 23:46.27 | dhuv | etch |
| 23:46.47 | phorce1 | abrotman: suggestions? (something that handles pain in the ass websites like MySpace and those with full-on Java video players) |
| 23:46.59 | dhuv | the .c file has a simple #include <glib.h> |
| 23:47.01 | abrotman | dhuv: does it want gtk1 or 2 ? |
| 23:47.15 | abrotman | phorce1: does it work with .. ick .. kaffe ? |
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| 23:47.30 | dhuv | abrotman: how do I tell? |
| 23:47.41 | abrotman | phorce1: perhaps ask #debian-java on oftc .. see if they reocmmend a way to do it on pure64 |
| 23:47.53 | dhuv | this is fairly new so I am assuming the later one (2) |
| 23:47.53 | abrotman | dhuv: maybe the configure script |
| 23:47.54 | h3sp4wn | phorce1: I use ibm's java |
| 23:47.55 | sandman | It appears that ESD is the deafult sound wrapper (if I'm using the right word here) for GNOME. |
| 23:48.00 | simonrvn | dhuv: don't include header files in ld.so.conf that's only for libraries |
| 23:48.05 | h3sp4wn | phorce1: (in /opt) |
| 23:48.15 | dhuv | abortman: there is no configure script |
| 23:48.19 | abrotman | whoa |
| 23:48.21 | dhuv | you just type make :) |
| 23:48.24 | abrotman | </joey> |
| 23:48.26 | phorce1 | abrotman: Well, as I said, home machine with only 512M RAM. I was just playing with pure64 so it's not THAT important to stick with it. |
| 23:48.35 | sandman | Could I run Arts, ESD, and SDL at the same time, such that any program supporting any of them may use it, and that I may run sounds at the same time from the different sound daemons that way? |
| 23:48.50 | abrotman | dhuv: well .. easy to check .. install libglib1.2-dev also :) |
| 23:48.53 | h3sp4wn | sandman: you want arts or esd not both |
| 23:49.20 | abrotman | dhuv: afaict .. those are the only two in etch |
| 23:49.20 | dhuv | abrotman: I can install both at the same time? no conflicts right? |
| 23:49.20 | jplibre | phorce1: I would do some comparisons and see if you find subjective performance increases with AMD64 chips running 32-bit |
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| 23:49.30 | abrotman | dhuv: yeah .. it's fine .. |
| 23:49.52 | phorce1 | h3sp4wn: I may have a look at that but I need flash-7 more to keep the browser from crashing. |
| 23:50.27 | h3sp4wn | phorce1: What browser ? |
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| 23:50.46 | h3sp4wn | phorce1: Just put it into .mozilla/plugins (if its firefox) |
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| 23:51.16 | phorce1 | jplibre: From what I've read the only current benefit to running 64-bit kernel and 32-bit userland is access to the additional RAM (ie. running a database app that way would allow it to handle more operations directly in RAM) |
| 23:51.27 | abrotman | that's not the only benefit |
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| 23:52.02 | phorce1 | h3sp4wn: When trying to run the setup for flash 7 it pops an error that specifically states AMD64 is not yet supported |
| 23:52.40 | streuner | abrotman: well, you weren't in Paris, its like you are using windows and never "touch" debian, imagine that. |
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| 23:53.07 | abrotman | streuner: http://www.aviewoncities.com/gallery/philadelphia1.htm |
| 23:53.11 | h3sp4wn | phorce1: tried gnash ? (I knew that amd64 wasn't supported just was not thinking) |
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| 23:53.53 | abrotman | streuner: and those aren't good pictures :) |
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| 23:54.15 | phorce1 | abrotman: this is a single core 754 pin Athlon64-3500. Can't be TOO many benefits from a 64bit kernel |
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| 23:54.59 | mike-e | is there any reason why i can't install vlc or mplayer on debian etch? |
| 23:55.33 | abrotman | !tell mike-e about mplayer |
| 23:55.37 | streuner | vlc isn't in etch, and mplayer not in debian :-) |
| 23:55.38 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 23:55.41 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 23:55.41 | h3sp4wn | phorce1: You can build a 32 bit app like firefox against ia32-libs |
| 23:56.08 | secher | quick question, updating proftpd, apt is wiping beacuse the ftp server fails to start with the following line "Fatal: LoadModule: error loading module mod_sql_mysql.c'. Permission denied on line 19 of /etc/proftpd/modules.conf" Any ideas what I"m missing/doing wrong? |
| 23:56.30 | mike-e | sarge has been the official release for how many years? |
| 23:56.44 | streuner | !tell mike-e about sarge |
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| 23:56.50 | phorce1 | h3sp4wn: At that point I am getting into the "how hard do I want to work to get a desktop play machine going?". |
| 23:56.50 | abrotman | streuner: or use pbase to find more |
| 23:57.09 | abrotman | secher: not having the module installed? |
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| 23:57.22 | jzxu | has anyone else had problems with the unstable libpango and libcairo packages? |
| 23:57.22 | mike-e | !marillat |
| 23:57.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 23:58.03 | secher | abrotman: man, you're quick. <grin> |
| 23:58.11 | mike-e | i have deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main |
| 23:58.15 | mike-e | as a repisotiry |
| 23:58.17 | abrotman | secher: well .. you know .. |
| 23:58.24 | abrotman | mike-e: change sarge to etch |
| 23:58.27 | mike-e | o ok |
| 23:58.29 | mike-e | thanks |
| 23:58.31 | abrotman | if you're using etch i mean |
| 23:58.35 | findme | abrotman, abrotman ++ |
| 23:58.35 | mike-e | i am |
| 23:58.36 | mike-e | thanks |
| 23:58.49 | streuner | findme: that does nothing |
| 23:59.06 | findme | streuner, well for me it does. |
| 23:59.06 | streuner | findme: !abrotman++ give him karma :-) |
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| 23:59.17 | findme | !abrotman++ |
| 23:59.20 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:59.26 | abrotman | findme: what'd i do ? |
| 23:59.29 | findme | streuner, didn't know that. thanks. |
| 23:59.38 | jzxu | does anyone use the vim 7.0 unstable package? |
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| 23:59.52 | secher | I didn't even /know/ there were modules for proftpd. Here's more to the point. What function do the modules in proftpd serve, and can I safely comment them out in the conf file? |
