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`00:00.57`	`secher`	`nm, just feeling lazy.. going to read for a while.`
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`00:01.49`	`Miesco`	`Is there a music player were it can be controlled remotely via web interface?`
`00:02.09`	`h3sp4wn`	`Miesco: mpd or xmms2 (with a suitable front end)`
`00:02.29`	`jzxu`	`I'm sure you can hook something up with mpg123`
`00:03.05`	`dondelelcaro`	`if by web interface you mean screen+ssh... cplay! ;-)`
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`00:03.34`	`seb-`	`help! debian apache2 config has some permission problem trying to do mod_proxy`
`00:03.56`	`h3sp4wn`	`Miesco: mpd definately can do it`
`00:04.26`	`nevyn`	`so my best friend goes out on a limb and reccomends me for this job.. all I have to do is write a resume. now I don't do it. and now he and my wife are completely pissed off at me.`
`00:04.28`	`Miesco`	`h3sp4wn: K`
`00:04.39`	`Miesco`	`h3sp4wn: I was trying that, it was not working`
`00:07.19`	`h3sp4wn`	`Miesco: In sarge ?`
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`00:08.50`	`Miesco`	`h3sp4wn: Yes`
`00:09.07`	`abrotman`	`nevyn: duh .. you deserve it`
`00:10.24`	`streuner`	`well, there might be another reason...`
`00:10.59`	`streuner`	`but the situation is fucked up`
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`00:13.20`	`nevyn`	`abrotman: I know I deserve it.`
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`00:13.39`	`nevyn`	`I just REALLY hate writing resume's....`
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`00:14.55`	`streuner`	`wth is a "resume"?`
`00:15.19`	`nevyn`	`ummm.. short version of a cv`
`00:15.35`	`nevyn`	`cv is lots of pages.. resume is 2-3 max`
`00:15.39`	`abrotman`	`streuner: 1-2 page CV`
`00:15.42`	`streuner`	`résumé`
`00:15.45`	`streuner`	`oh, ic`
`00:16.00`	`streuner`	`so what's that hard to write one?`
`00:16.01`	`abrotman`	`and honestly .. nevyn is a lazy ass for not being able to write one :)`
`00:16.08`	`nevyn`	`sigh.`
`00:16.16`	`abrotman`	`was it a fun job ?`
`00:16.21`	`nevyn`	`meh`
`00:16.31`	`nevyn`	`it was a better paying job than my current one`
`00:16.37`	`abrotman`	`by a lot ?>`
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`00:16.44`	`nevyn`	`like.. by 400%`
`00:16.49`	`streuner`	`haha`
`00:16.49`	`abrotman`	`yeah .. dumbass`
`00:17.13`	`nevyn`	`I just don't think I'm that special ;)`
`00:17.27`	`nevyn`	`or maybe I think I'm too special. ;)`
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`00:17.33`	`Digamma`	`Where would I find the file that controls what apps are loaded upon proper login and start of Flux?`
`00:17.34`	`nethenson`	`the most expensive resume ever!`
`00:17.41`	`nevyn`	`people should just recognise my genius and give me lots of $$$ for it. ;)`
`00:17.47`	`abrotman`	`nevyn: TBH .. i'd be pissed at you too`
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`00:18.01`	`nevyn`	`abrotman: and I completely understand why they're both pissed`
`00:18.09`	`abrotman`	`but you're whining in #debian :)`
`00:18.15`	`nevyn`	`:)`
`00:18.25`	`streuner`	`Digamma: fluxbox website has some FAQ ;-)`
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`00:18.37`	`nevyn`	`abrotman: it's cheaper than a therapist ;)`
`00:18.48`	`abrotman`	`we're not therapy`
`00:19.00`	`nevyn`	`abrotman: irc isn't group therapy ;)`
`00:19.01`	`streuner`	`we kick ass ;-)`
`00:19.06`	`nevyn`	`ok so it's OT :)`
`00:19.09`	`Digamma`	`there is a browser that is loaded ever time X is started; and I am wondering what file I need to play with to alter what starts`
`00:19.12`	`nevyn`	`streuner: maybe that's what I need ;)`
`00:19.28`	`nevyn`	`Digamma: it depends on the session manager`
`00:19.37`	`nevyn`	`Digamma: but .xsession would be a place to start`
`00:19.53`	`streuner`	`you deserve more giving us that kind of infos and expecting tolerance :-)`
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`00:20.39`	`Digamma`	`where is .xsession`
`00:21.16`	`streuner`	`usually .xsession lives in /home/<user>/.xsession`
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`00:21.38`	`Digamma`	`nope`
`00:21.44`	`Digamma`	`thats where I looked`
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`00:21.54`	`streuner`	`so just create it then`
`00:22.01`	`Digamma`	`Could It be a diferent name on a newer system`
`00:22.07`	`streuner`	`no`
`00:22.08`	`Digamma`	`on an older**`
`00:22.26`	`Digamma`	`I have 2.78 of KNOPPIX`
`00:22.31`	`streuner`	`you have to create it, its just a simple text-file`
`00:22.35`	`abrotman`	`ask #knoppix`
`00:22.35`	`streuner`	`DOH`
`00:22.52`	`Digamma`	`I am`
`00:22.55`	`Digamma`	`No answe`
`00:22.55`	`Digamma`	`r`
`00:22.58`	`abrotman`	`that means .. don't ask here`
`00:23.03`	`Digamma`	`I am asking many places as well`
`00:23.17`	`azeem`	`if there is no .xsession, you could create one`
`00:23.20`	`abrotman`	`ask ##linux .. do NOT ask #debian`
`00:23.23`	`streuner`	`Digamma: fluxbox.sf.net and search for the FAQ :-)`
`00:24.16`	`Digamma`	`I found it`
`00:24.18`	`Digamma`	`the file`
`00:24.35`	`Digamma`	`.xinitrc`
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`00:25.05`	`amphi`	`.xinitrc is deprecated I think`
`00:25.36`	`abrotman`	`amphi: read his earlier statement about his version of knoppix`
`00:26.23`	`amphi`	`abrotman: oops, missed that completely`
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`00:29.44`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`00:29.44`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
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`00:34.33`	`PumpkinPie`	`anyone have a 3ware card?`
`00:35.15`	`PumpkinPie`	`is there a way to perform volume management in debian?`
`00:35.22`	`abrotman`	`on a RAID card ?`
`00:35.29`	`PumpkinPie`	`yeah`
`00:35.32`	`PumpkinPie`	`3ware raid card`
`00:35.39`	`PumpkinPie`	`you have any?`
`00:35.42`	`abrotman`	`oh .. not audio volume :)`
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`00:38.16`	`brain2`	`PumpkinPie: Use the lvm tools`
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`00:42.51`	`seb-`	`in default config does debian apache2 have some permission problem trying to do mod_proxy?`
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`00:45.36`	`peterrooney`	`anyone noticing packets routing around washington state?`
`00:45.41`	`dondelelcaro`	`seb-: no`
`00:46.06`	`thingfish`	`!foo`
`00:46.06`	`thingfish`	`:/`
`00:46.06`	`dpkg`	`hmm... foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>`
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`00:57.14`	`fffxc2`	`hello im a linux noob and was wondering if someone could give me some help installing debian?`
`00:57.23`	`abrotman`	`just ask`
`00:57.30`	`fffxc2`	`ok well my problem is`
`00:57.50`	`fffxc2`	`i have a server that i am trying to install debian too`
`00:58.05`	`fffxc2`	`and the problems is that it has memory problems because`
`00:58.29`	`fffxc2`	`it had two areas of extended memory and it only seems to use the first one`
`00:58.46`	`fffxc2`	`which is only 15mb which is not enought`
`00:59.01`	`abrotman`	`huh ?`
`00:59.03`	`fffxc2`	`so i was wondering if there is a way to get it to use both?`
`00:59.18`	`abrotman`	`how much system RAM is there and how much does it see ?`
`00:59.23`	`enouf`	`wtf are you talking about?`
`00:59.34`	`fffxc2`	`there is 98mb total system ram`
`00:59.51`	`abrotman`	`just to make sure .. this is less than 100 ?`
`00:59.52`	`fffxc2`	`that is split into 2 expanded memory locations`
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`01:00.04`	`fffxc2`	`yes just less than 100mb`
`01:00.10`	`abrotman`	`ok .. just to double check :)`
`01:00.23`	`enouf`	`stop splitting the ram`
`01:00.26`	`abrotman`	`so why do you think debian doesn't see it all? what tool did you use to find this out ?`
`01:00.42`	`fffxc2`	`i can stop spliting the ram`
`01:00.57`	`fffxc2`	`it is locked in the bios and cant be changed :/`
`01:00.59`	`enouf`	`sure you can`
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`01:01.17`	`fffxc2`	`this is an old server btw`
`01:01.21`	`fffxc2`	`from about 1996`
`01:01.53`	`thingfish`	`heh`
`01:02.09`	`fffxc2`	`and basically i have ram "area" 1 which is 1-15mb memory and ram area 2 which is 16-512mb memory`
`01:02.15`	`enouf`	`are you really gonna start crying about the 15-16MB memory hole?`
`01:02.25`	`fffxc2`	`and it seems that debian only uses area 1 :/`
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`01:02.48`	`enouf`	`tell the BIOS to jump the gap and load the BIOS into Shadow RAM`
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`01:02.59`	`fffxc2`	`??`
`01:03.06`	`enouf`	`exactly ..`
`01:03.09`	`fffxc2`	`im not that great with computers`
`01:03.33`	`fffxc2`	`and im pretty sure i cant do that from the bios`
`01:04.15`	`fffxc2`	`so im asking if anyone knows how to do that from the debian install prompt?`
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`01:04.27`	`abrotman`	`the BIOS can't undo that ?`
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`01:04.43`	`fffxc2`	`nope its fixed in bios :/`
`01:04.44`	`enouf`	`it's a BIOS function`
`01:04.49`	`fffxc2`	`i have already tried`
`01:05.24`	`enouf`	`then your BIOS sux`
`01:05.36`	`fffxc2`	`lol i already knew that :/`
`01:05.47`	`abrotman`	`what if you take all the RAM out of the first "area"`
`01:05.51`	`fffxc2`	`im just asking if there is any way around it?`
`01:05.52`	`abrotman`	`this is so freaking goofy`
`01:06.00`	`abrotman`	`yeah .. fix your BIOS`
`01:06.05`	`simonrvn`	`update the bios maybe?`
`01:06.06`	`fffxc2`	`i cant take all the ram out of the first area`
`01:06.29`	`fffxc2`	`i can only make the first area 14mb or 15mb`
`01:06.35`	`fffxc2`	`no other options :/`
`01:06.53`	`simonrvn`	`get another old mobo then`
`01:07.03`	`abrotman`	`there really has to be a way ..`
`01:07.09`	`abrotman`	`the BIOS can't be that stupid`
`01:07.30`	`fffxc2`	`i dont kno it is from 1996 :/`
`01:07.33`	`simonrvn`	`never underestimate the power of human stupidity`
`01:07.51`	`abrotman`	`my 486 from 1994 isn't even that stupid`
`01:08.12`	`abrotman`	`can i use a RAMdrive too ?`
`01:08.31`	`abrotman`	`oh god no!`
`01:09.21`	`streuner`	`nah, make asg listening to some classic music ;-)`
`01:09.26`	`fffxc2`	`well thanks everyone for all the help`
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`01:09.40`	`simonrvn`	`such a strange mobo`
`01:09.42`	`streuner`	`Wagner?`
`01:09.42`	`fffxc2`	`hopefully i can get this pos working`
`01:09.42`	`asg`	`abrotman: that's harsh`
`01:09.43`	`abrotman`	`fffxc2: try the debian-user mailing list`
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`01:09.50`	`streuner`	`asg: hehe`
`01:09.51`	`abrotman`	`oh yeah!`
`01:09.58`	`fffxc2`	`ok thanks for the tips`
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`01:10.13`	`abrotman`	`there is no way that BIOS can be that stupid`
`01:10.44`	`asg`	`streuner: Procofiev?`
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`01:10.59`	`asg`	`!friscosmite abrotman`
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`01:11.16`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`01:11.19`	`asg`	`simonrvn: btw, was there a strange disturbance in the astrological force today?`
`01:11.31`	`abrotman`	`asg: you guys hired someone? :)`
`01:11.43`	`simonrvn`	`dunno, i'm too sick to care right now`
`01:11.46`	`Xenguy`	`mmmm, nethack :-)`
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`01:12.13`	`asg`	`abrotman: no, our primary load-balancer experienced some anomalies that cannot be explained.`
`01:12.14`	`streuner`	`simonrvn: get some orange juice`
`01:12.23`	`simonrvn`	`i did`
`01:12.40`	`abrotman`	`asg: no more "special" cigarettes at work for you :)`
`01:12.40`	`simonrvn`	`neutrinos?`
`01:12.52`	`streuner`	`well, that doesn't sound like a normal floe`
`01:12.55`	`streuner`	`flu`
`01:13.12`	`Xenguy`	`here, have a 'special' cigarette -- go ahead, it's on me 8-)`
`01:13.15`	`asg`	`simonrvn: the only explanation I've been able to come up with is a quantum event`
`01:13.27`	`simonrvn`	`oh it's flu, i get chills easy, and have a slight fever right now`
`01:14.14`	`streuner`	`simonrvn: how about temp?`
`01:14.14`	`simonrvn`	`the wrost the the fucking aches...`
`01:14.14`	`simonrvn`	`and the bad typos`
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`01:14.24`	`simonrvn`	`asg: wouldn't be surprised`
`01:14.41`	`asg`	`simonrvn: no, it happens.`
`01:14.46`	`Gnurdux`	`bad typos can be the first symptom of a severe and fatal viral illness :P`
`01:15.04`	`simonrvn`	`asg: for sure :)`
`01:15.07`	`pourriture`	`how do you manually edit sources.list during an etch install? or more to the point, where is the apt-source for the install stored?`
`01:15.09`	`asg`	`simonrvn: :)`
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`01:15.35`	`simonrvn`	`Gnurdux: hehe`
`01:15.56`	`simonrvn`	`pourriture: go into /target/etc/apt/sources.list`
`01:16.09`	`simonrvn`	`use nano`
`01:16.27`	`pourriture`	`gotcha`
`01:17.32`	`asg`	`!seen spoopin`
`01:17.33`	`dpkg`	`spoopin <n=matt@cpe-071-071-209-197.carolina.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 17d 11h 44m 21s ago, saying: 'asg: msg you?'.`
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`01:18.31`	`abrotman`	`asg: how cute :)`
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`01:18.56`	`asg`	`abrotman: we were deciding on beer locales`
`01:19.07`	`PumpkinPie`	`3ware bought lsi logic.. or what?`
`01:19.09`	`abrotman`	`jackalope jacks!`
`01:19.12`	`PumpkinPie`	`I thought that was the news I heard years ago`
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`01:19.27`	`asg`	`abrotman: no, haven't been there in a few months. This was Sunday on my part of town.`
`01:20.02`	`abrotman`	`asg: the english pub that sucks!`
`01:20.23`	`pourriture`	`don't know much about apt .... is there anything that would prevent apt from working behind a hotel firewall?`
`01:20.29`	`Wyzard`	`D-I beta's encryption support is pretty cool`
`01:20.33`	`abrotman`	`pourriture: not really`
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`01:20.39`	`simonrvn`	`pourriture: it's just http or ftp`
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`01:20.43`	`abrotman`	`asg: and we could make Wyzard go too!`
`01:20.53`	`Wyzard`	`I just set up a system with root-on-encrypted-LVM and random-encrypted swap, all with D-I's partitioner`
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`01:21.04`	`Wyzard`	`Go where?`
`01:21.07`	`asg`	`Wyzard: the pub`
`01:21.08`	`abrotman`	`flying pig :)`
`01:21.15`	`Wyzard`	`Remember, I don't drink`
`01:21.18`	`Wyzard`	`zero motivation to go to a bar`
`01:21.20`	`pollywog`	`what is the current situation with nvidia drivers in Etch? is it possible to compile them in Etch atm?`
`01:21.20`	`abrotman`	`i know! .. you still eat!`
`01:21.26`	`abrotman`	`they serve food!`
`01:21.30`	`asg`	`Wyzard: bars server water as well`
`01:21.38`	`abrotman`	`and soda!`
`01:21.40`	`Wyzard`	`asg: yeah, but so does my faucet :-P`
`01:21.40`	`pollywog`	`bars with food?`
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`01:21.44`	`simonrvn`	`a water server? hmmm :)`
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`01:22.09`	`pollywog`	`I would get funny looks when I asked for soda`
`01:22.12`	`asg`	`Wyzard: yes, but bars server yellow water with gas in it; your faucet doesn't.`
`01:22.19`	`pollywog`	`I think they thought I was a cop ;)`
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`01:22.25`	`Wyzard`	`hehe`
`01:22.29`	`oxyride`	`...`
`01:22.49`	`simonrvn`	`i know i ain't no cop, see if i care =)`
`01:23.08`	`abrotman`	`they have cops in canada ?`
`01:23.12`	`pourriture`	`simonrvn: and abrotman I can't ftp from here if I try to set pasv ... and the really odd part is that there is no /target/etc/apt/sources.list`
`01:23.16`	`dvs`	`abrotman: kinda.`
`01:23.23`	`abrotman`	`pourriture: use an http source`
`01:23.31`	`simonrvn`	`pourriture: was apt installed yet?`
`01:23.35`	`iLLf8d`	`abrotman, yeah their only job is to sure up the donut industry sales`
`01:23.39`	`pollywog`	`I can't find compilable nvidia drivers for Etch`
`01:23.41`	`abrotman`	`shore up :)`
`01:23.50`	`abrotman`	`!etch nvidia`
`01:23.50`	`dpkg`	`As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7.`
`01:23.53`	`iLLf8d`	`thats what I typed first but figured it for wrong =P`
`01:23.56`	`pourriture`	`abrotman: it asked which mirror I wanted to use and I told it`
`01:23.57`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`01:24.05`	`pollywog`	`ahh thanks`
`01:24.09`	`abrotman`	`pourriture: yeah .. are your sources http or ftp ?`
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`01:24.14`	`abrotman`	`as in .. http:// or ftp:// ?`
`01:24.33`	`Joe77`	`is there a way to switch sata drives to UDMA7 instead of 5?`
`01:25.19`	`oxyride`	`what's UDMA7?`
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`01:26.15`	`oxyride`	`UDMA7 = UDMA-133?`
`01:26.16`	`pourriture`	`abrotman: I can't tell ... when I activate console and look for /target/etc/apt/sources.list .... there is NOTHING`
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`01:26.28`	`abrotman`	`pourriture: cat /etc/apt/sources.list`
`01:26.29`	`Joe77`	`oxyride: sata1..150Mbit/sec`
`01:26.32`	`oxyride`	`or UDMA7 = UDMA-150?`
`01:26.38`	`oxyride`	`ohh`
`01:26.47`	`abrotman`	`Joe77: ask #hardware`
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`01:27.09`	`naxalite`	`hi`
`01:27.16`	`oxyride`	`hi`
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`01:27.40`	`naxalite`	`I have a terminal F1 stuck but the _ is still blinking however it doesn't respond to any commad I give it`
`01:27.41`	`Joe77`	`abrotman: I guess it's kernel specific, but okay..thanks`
`01:27.49`	`abrotman`	`it is ?`
`01:27.52`	`pourriture`	`abrotman: cat /etc/apt/sources.list and /target/etc/apt/sources.list ..... no such file or directory`
`01:27.59`	`dvs`	`naxalite: Ctrl-Q ?`
`01:27.59`	`naxalite`	`how may I kill it or bring back to normalcy?`
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`01:28.03`	`pourriture`	`for both`
`01:28.07`	`abrotman`	`pourriture: are you running ubuntu ?`
`01:28.10`	`pourriture`	`nope`
`01:28.14`	`pourriture`	`etch install`
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`01:28.22`	`abrotman`	`pourriture: so you have no /etc/apt/sources.list ?`
`01:28.26`	`pourriture`	`none`
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`01:28.28`	`abrotman`	`do you even have /etc/apt/ ?`
`01:28.32`	`pourriture`	`nope`
`01:28.41`	`abrotman`	`are you running Debian ?`
`01:28.44`	`abrotman`	`you have to have /etc/apt/`
`01:28.53`	`pourriture`	`neither /target/etc/apt or /etc/apt`
`01:29.00`	`abrotman`	`oh .. you're still in the isntaller`
`01:29.12`	`oxyride`	`...`
`01:29.13`	`pourriture`	`it is an etch bizcard installer that I dl'd today`
`01:29.27`	`abrotman`	`then i'd say use an http source when it asks you to pick one`
`01:29.38`	`pourriture`	`and the prob is that neither grub nor lilo will install`
`01:30.02`	`pourriture`	`says no such package for either of them`
`01:30.59`	`pourriture`	`abrotman: what I mean to say is that /var/log/syslog says grub (or lilo) have no installation candidate .... and I have tried several mirrors`
`01:31.25`	`abrotman`	`pourriture: that doesn't make sense .. it should get a new Packages file from the mirror`
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`01:32.19`	`Snake[Away]`	`Hi guys, I have a small issue. I have a program that I want to run 24/7, but on my shell it kind of times out, and closes itself down. Is there a way to have it automatically start back up? (I dont have root privlages)`
`01:32.28`	`pourriture`	`abrotman: you would think .... I have done a TON of debian installs .... and I have never seen anything like this .... it has to be the hotel firewall`
`01:32.59`	`pourriture`	`I will attempt to make sure that I am using http ... but not sure how to tell 100%`
`01:33.00`	`abrotman`	`pourriture: all i can think is that it's trying to go via ftp`
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`01:35.10`	`thingfish`	`pourriture means 'rot' in french.`
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`01:35.31`	`abrotman`	`thingfish means .. eh .. nevermind`
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`01:35.36`	`thingfish`	`as in pourriture noble, the mold that forms on grapes.`
`01:36.11`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`01:36.22`	`pourriture`	`thingfish: you are the first person in 12 years of me having this nick that ever knew exactly what I meant`
`01:36.36`	`pourriture`	`sauternes`
`01:37.08`	`thingfish`	`dude!`
`01:37.28`	`thingfish`	`yes indeed.`
`01:37.28`	`thingfish`	`nectar`
`01:37.28`	`pourriture`	`abrotman: how can I make sure the etch installer uses http instead of ftp`
`01:37.38`	`simonrvn`	`pourriture: premiere personne qui l'a mentionne ;)`
`01:37.45`	`abrotman`	`pourriture: i'm honestly not sure ..`
`01:38.25`	`pourriture`	`simonrvn: I don't peak french ... I am just a wino`
`01:38.37`	`simonrvn`	`first person that mentioned it`
`01:38.54`	`youkd`	`How can kill this message? "vi: /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2)`
`01:38.54`	`youkd`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.12`	`pourriture`	`sorry simonrvn you get credit`
`01:39.21`	`simonrvn`	`means it isn't there`
`01:39.32`	`simonrvn`	`naw, thingfish does`
`01:39.41`	`simonrvn`	`he did say it first`
`01:39.47`	`thingfish`	`simonrvn: yes, definitely - many more people knew what it meant but were more sober than I so didn't point it out.`
`01:40.37`	`simonrvn`	`hehe`
`01:41.06`	`pourriture`	`abrotman: I just picked a mirror that is http only .... mirrors.engr.arizona.edu .... we will see what happens`
`01:41.14`	`abrotman`	`ah ok`
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`01:41.23`	`thingfish`	`I just thought it was some dark sort of gothic reference.`
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`01:42.56`	`simonrvn`	`pourriture: is it?`
`01:43.13`	`simonrvn`	`or just to make people talk about your nick? ;p`
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`01:46.08`	`Mantits`	`OH GOD`
`01:46.08`	`pourriture`	`no .... I am a 36 year old wine enthusiast (ignorant)`
`01:46.08`	`simonrvn`	`damn, 'split`
`01:46.09`	`simonrvn`	`aah, ok`
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`01:46.09`	`Mantits`	`That's the largest I've ever seen!`
`01:46.09`	`abrotman`	`really?`
`01:46.09`	`abrotman`	`that's sad :)`
`01:46.09`	`pourriture`	`not a 16-year old hoodlum`
`01:46.09`	`Mantits`	`I don't go on big networks :(`
`01:46.09`	`simonrvn`	`Mantits: haven't been around much have you? ;)`
`01:46.09`	`thingfish`	`my`
`01:46.09`	`abrotman`	`just wait til they join again!`
`01:46.09`	`Mantits`	`heh`
`01:46.09`	`Gnurdux`	`whoa`
`01:46.10`	`Gnurdux`	`freaky funsplit`
`01:46.10`	`simonrvn`	`wait til there's a big one, eh ;)`
`01:46.10`	`thingfish`	`it's melting, it's melting!`
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`01:46.10`	`abrotman`	`come back!`
`01:46.10`	`simonrvn`	`oh`
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`01:46.26`	`simonrvn`	`==> Netsplit over, joins: zamuro`
`01:46.34`	`simonrvn`	`few more now`
`01:46.34`	`thingfish`	`oh wait, it was "I'm melting, I'm melting".`
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`01:46.34`	`simonrvn`	`hehe`
`01:46.34`	`pourriture`	`abrotman: syslog says http and the dl is not starting`
`01:46.35`	`oxyride`	`hello, kids. what's going on here?`
`01:46.35`	`simonrvn`	`in the middle of a netjoin`
`01:46.36`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`01:47.33`	`thingfish`	`wine is a good thing, because not only can it be art, it makes you drunk! :)`
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`01:47.47`	`simonrvn`	`weee`
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`01:47.50`	`dvs`	`welcome back!`
`01:47.50`	`simonrvn`	`here they come`
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`01:48.22`	`simonrvn`	`holy`
`01:48.22`	`Miesco`	`Whats a good program to get music off CD's?`
`01:48.22`	`amphi`	`Miesco: cdparanoia`
`01:48.22`	`thingfish`	`glad I'm strapped in.`
`01:48.23`	`abrotman`	`Miesco: which MW ?`
`01:48.25`	`abrotman`	`WM ?`
`01:48.57`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`01:49.09`	`simonrvn`	`abrotman, thingfish: have googleearth installed?`
`01:49.32`	`thingfish`	`nope`
`01:49.33`	`simonrvn`	`get the kmz files off http://simonraven.nuit.ca/tmp/`
`01:49.41`	`findme`	`what is the package called, which is used to download files off of internet, music, videos and such?`
`01:49.42`	`abrotman`	`simonrvn: no need .. i can see you huddled up in a blankie .. sitting in front of the screen`
`01:49.52`	`simonrvn`	`there's a googleearth-package thing in debian to install it`
`01:49.54`	`simonrvn`	`hehe`
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`01:50.02`	`Miesco`	`abrotman: Gnome?`
`01:50.03`	`simonrvn`	`no blankie, i'm too hot right now`
`01:50.07`	`thingfish`	`hey yeah beach boys sound fun`
`01:50.12`	`abrotman`	`Miesco: sound juicer or grip`
`01:50.19`	`simonrvn`	`grip is nice`
`01:50.20`	`abrotman`	`simonrvn: GET THE BLANKIE!`
`01:50.24`	`thingfish`	`I'd like to hear a beach boys/house mix`
`01:50.29`	`Miesco`	`abrotman: Are they console?`
`01:50.36`	`abrotman`	`no .. use jack`
`01:50.43`	`thingfish`	`neat`
`01:51.04`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: SmILe gave me a slight headache :)(`
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`01:51.29`	`amphi`	`findme: wget?`
`01:51.52`	`findme`	`amphi, thanks but no, it was something to with file zilla and such`
`01:52.01`	`abrotman`	`filezilla?`
`01:52.06`	`abrotman`	`gwget ?`
`01:52.16`	`findme`	`abrotman, no can't remember it...`
`01:52.18`	`simonrvn`	`there's a fricking "zilla" for everything now....`
`01:52.29`	`abrotman`	`findme: filezilla is an actual app`
`01:52.30`	`thingfish`	`abrotman: SmILe? A trouble-causer?`
`01:52.30`	`thingfish`	`I missed that evidently.`
`01:52.36`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: brian wilson`
`01:52.43`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: use amazon :)`
`01:53.36`	`thingfish`	`abrotman: oh heh yeah ok`
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`01:53.59`	`thingfish`	`sure thing`
`01:54.05`	`Digamma`	`I am having a problem fixing a lib problem`
`01:54.18`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: to make sure you're not a spam bot`
`01:54.23`	`Gnurdux`	`its to collect stats`
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`01:54.56`	`thingfish`	`lunitik: since when did it not?`
`01:54.58`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: I'm not even sure I'm not... how can it be?`
`01:55.15`	`lunitik`	`thingfish: I've never seen it before...`
`01:55.19`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: i think you are a spammer`
`01:55.21`	`thingfish`	`I mean that's been happening for several months now.`
`01:55.36`	`Sebboh`	`Life's tough. Don't worry about IRC. =)`
`01:55.37`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`01:55.56`	`MidgetKiller`	`how can I get a boot action to start under a specific user?`
`01:56.17`	`thingfish`	`oh wait sorry, my bad - I only get it from irc.oftc.net`
`01:56.43`	`Digamma`	`subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1`
`01:56.47`	`Digamma`	`^ what does that mean`
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`01:57.09`	`lunitik`	`Its a $50 fine here just for spitting :/`
`01:57.16`	`dvs`	`lunitik: o_O`
`01:57.21`	`abrotman`	`he's joking`
`01:57.23`	`abrotman`	`i hope`
`01:57.44`	`abrotman`	`that's more like a jaywalking fine :)`
`01:58.04`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: jaywalking is $120`
`01:58.22`	`abrotman`	`someone has to pay for all those jails :)`
`01:58.25`	`lunitik`	`Loitering: $150`
`01:59.05`	`dvs`	`loitering? geez!`
`01:59.57`	`Sebboh`	`double check your sources, people. ;P`
`02:00.15`	`dvs`	`lunitik: do you get fined for breathing too?`
`02:00.38`	`lunitik`	`dvs: not that I know of? haha`
`02:00.41`	`Digamma`	`How do you downgrade bash?`
`02:00.46`	`Digamma`	`To a STABLE vesion`
`02:00.51`	`lunitik`	`That would be a little too much, even for this state...`
`02:01.05`	`dondelelcaro`	`Digamma: uh... the bash in unstable is reasonably stable...`
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`02:01.24`	`lunitik`	`(supposedly, something like 70% of Arizona's money comes from the legal system here`
`02:01.27`	`lunitik`	`)`
`02:01.41`	`Digamma`	`Well I keep getting an error that other people are getting`
`02:01.44`	`Digamma`	`Setting up bash (2.05b-26)`
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`02:01.50`	`Digamma`	`Then an errror ofter that`
`02:01.54`	`Digamma`	`after*`
`02:01.57`	`lunitik`	`DUI is 3,500 too... so make sure you're sober when you get in your car... that'll kill ya!`
`02:02.44`	`dvs`	`lunitik: And no jail time?`
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`02:03.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`!tell Digamma -about bat`
`02:03.35`	`lunitik`	`Supposed to be 30 days first offense... 90 for second etc... but its actually like 7 if you're unlucky... and 30 for second...`
`02:03.39`	`Sebboh`	`isn't there a command that will auto-get things that a source package depends on for build?`
`02:04.05`	`lunitik`	`Have to put up with a breathalizer thingy for your car too... which is $75 a month for 12 months if you're busted second time...`
`02:04.17`	`dondelelcaro`	`Sebboh: apt-get builddep foopkg;`
`02:04.21`	`ahlfors`	`Sebboh, apt-get build-dep PACKAGE`
`02:04.39`	`dondelelcaro`	`s/dd/d-d/`
`02:04.39`	`Sebboh`	`thanks you two. (One of you is sure to be right. ;) )`
`02:04.43`	`iLLf8d`	`anyone having issues with their swap partition corrupting intermittently with suspend to disk? I seem to have to mkswap from time to time to get it to straighten out`
`02:04.44`	`Sebboh`	`kk`
`02:04.45`	`dvs`	`lunitik: Yeah, that sucks. Over here, they install it for EVERY vehicle you have access to.`
`02:05.06`	`Dewi`	`if they're going to go to all that trouble why don't they just install them in all cars`
`02:05.26`	`Dewi`	`oh, silly, lost revenue`
`02:06.10`	`Dewi`	`iLLf8d: suspend to disk isn't really that polished yet`
`02:06.12`	`lunitik`	`dvs: I think its a good thing... don't endanger others because you're too stubborn to admit you drank too much`
`02:06.25`	`iLLf8d`	`Dewi its working most of the time just not all the time`
`02:06.27`	`lunitik`	`I've ridden a bike drunk though... so I can't really talk`
`02:06.49`	`dvs`	`lunitik: Naughty! Naughty! ;-)`
`02:06.55`	`iLLf8d`	`anyone having lcd lid light issues?`
`02:07.11`	`Sebboh`	`I did: apt-get build-dep linux-image-2.6.17-2-686, and it wants to REMOVE python-central and reportbug. What's up with that?`
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`02:07.21`	`Digamma`	`http://channels.debian.net/paste/4111`
`02:07.21`	`iLLf8d`	`I've noticed I have to switch to console to get it to come back or sudo a vbetool dpms on`
`02:07.23`	`Dewi`	`lunitik: I live on a one-way street. The end of the street has a stop sign at which nobody stops, just gives way. Which is fine. But the police set up dedicated traps to catch people "slowing down instead of stopping"`
`02:07.23`	`lunitik`	`dvs: imo, I'm not going to kill anyone on my mountain bike :D ... still a bad decision though...`
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`02:07.43`	`Dewi`	`lunitik: meanwhile I see people driving the wrong way down this one-way street every other day... police don't do anything about it`
`02:07.53`	`Digamma`	`Can somone diagnose a solution`
`02:07.53`	`Dewi`	`lunitik: the police station is less than 100m from where this occurs`
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`02:08.02`	`Mantits`	`If I don't install many extra packages, will debian run smoothly on a celeron 600 with 155mb of ram?`
`02:08.13`	`Mantits`	`*celeron 500 :<`
`02:08.15`	`munga`	`I'm trying to build a new deb package. dh_* say: Compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated ... what's wrong ?`
`02:08.15`	`Dewi`	`lunitik: I'd love to see traffic law enforcement focus on something other than specific infringements with fines`
`02:08.30`	`Dewi`	`lunitik: they could do a better job of pretending it's not just another method of taxation`
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`02:09.12`	`lunitik`	`Dewi: meh... that "better job" would just consist of classes that you're charged $20 twice a week to attend :/`
`02:09.54`	`Dewi`	`hehe`
`02:09.58`	`lunitik`	`Dewi: law enforcement doesn't care about public safety... they just want money...`
`02:09.59`	`Digamma`	`http://channels.debian.net/paste/4111`
`02:10.08`	`Digamma`	`please I would really appreciate it`
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`02:10.41`	`Digamma`	`apt-get worked perfectly BEFORE I installed the new bash shell`
`02:11.30`	`dvs`	`lunitik: I agree with that.`
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`02:11.36`	`lunitik`	`Digamma: It tells you whats wrong... no diagnoses needed... your .deb is broken`
`02:11.42`	`sipher`	`Anyone running Opera?`
`02:11.47`	`Digamma`	`I am`
`02:11.57`	`Digamma`	`lunitik, what do I DO though`
`02:12.06`	`sipher`	`Can you test a page real quick? - http://statusbarn.com/testfont.html`
`02:12.19`	`Sebboh`	`digamma, the script inside that package isn't executing properly. Either the script or the thing that runs it is broken.`
`02:12.23`	`sipher`	`Just tell me if some are black/red or if they're all the same color`
`02:12.23`	`lunitik`	`Digamma: you fix the script... or use a version that isn't broken`
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`02:12.34`	`Digamma`	`how do I fix the script`
`02:12.47`	`Digamma`	`What I want to know is how do I use a different version`
`02:12.51`	`Digamma`	`I am using synaptic`
`02:12.54`	`lunitik`	`Digamma: do you know bash or perl scripting?`
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`02:13.20`	`Sebboh`	`Lunitik, I bet that this person has messed with his/her /bin/sh ...`
`02:13.28`	`Digamma`	`nope`
`02:13.38`	`lunitik`	`Digamma: then you don't`
`02:13.47`	`lunitik`	`Digamma: you install a non-broken version of bash`
`02:13.54`	`Digamma`	`Is it like that ASCII work that I do for making menus and playing with .conf files?`
`02:14.08`	`Digamma`	`how do I INSTALL A NON-BROKEN VERSION OF BASH!`
`02:14.21`	`treat`	`how do i install experimental packages?`
`02:14.24`	`lunitik`	`Digamma: apt-get install bash`
`02:14.36`	`lunitik`	`treat: no one will tell you how to do that`
`02:14.51`	`treat`	`why?`
`02:14.58`	`lunitik`	`!experimental`
`02:14.58`	`dpkg`	`experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/`
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`02:15.29`	`Sebboh`	`digamma, I don't normally do this.. But.. I'm going to provide you with a solution that isn't what you asked for: install stable or testing instead of unstable. The statement you just made about ASCII makes me think that you might not be ready for 'unstable' yet. :/`
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`02:15.58`	`lunitik`	`Sebboh: MIGHT not be? haha`
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`02:16.05`	`Digamma`	`http://channels.debian.net/paste/4113`
`02:16.09`	`Digamma`	`Thats my new error`
`02:16.34`	`lunitik`	`Digamma: ffs... it tells you what to do... DO IT`
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`02:17.12`	`lunitik`	`Digamma: ever heard of Ubuntu... they like users like you...`
`02:17.17`	`jetscreamer`	`Setting up xserver-xorg (7.1.0-4) ... xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized`
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`02:17.34`	`Sebboh`	`jet, yeah mine said that, too. I ignored it. :D`
`02:17.35`	`Digamma`	`ya know`
`02:17.40`	`Digamma`	`YOU THINK I HAVENT TRIED THAT!`
`02:17.41`	`lunitik`	`!xorgmd5`
`02:17.41`	`dpkg`	`If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made`
`02:17.54`	`jetscreamer`	`it's been saying that for monts`
`02:17.54`	`pourriture`	`abrotman: looks like a bad ethernet cable .... .... ..... ....`
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`02:18.03`	`jetscreamer`	`no lunitik that does not function`
`02:18.04`	`thechris`	`can someone get the bot to tell me how to remove system services (appletalk)`
`02:18.05`	`lunitik`	`Digamma: what did apt-get -f install tell you?`
`02:18.07`	`gravity`	`jetscreamer: Because I haven't fixed it`
`02:18.18`	`gravity`	`If someone wants to hunt down the bug with the patch to fix that error, I'd be greatful`
`02:18.22`	`jetscreamer`	`yesiknow :)`
`02:18.23`	`gravity`	`grateful`
`02:18.28`	`jetscreamer`	`i wasn't gonna name names.. :)`
`02:18.32`	`Digamma`	`http://channels.debian.net/paste/4114`
`02:18.32`	`jetscreamer`	`i would if i could`
`02:18.34`	`jetscreamer`	`i suck :(`
`02:18.34`	`gravity`	`I know, it needs fixing`
`02:18.53`	`Digamma`	`It starts setting up bash like I said DIDN"T WORK!`
`02:18.54`	`pourriture`	`abrotman: we changed out cables and everything is running better now ... going to restart the install`
`02:18.59`	`Digamma`	`I am not completely stupid`
`02:19.03`	`Digamma`	`I did what it told me to do`
`02:19.06`	`Digamma`	`and I am here now`
`02:19.20`	`jetscreamer`	`ah`
`02:19.25`	`abrotman`	`pourriture: cables ?`
`02:19.25`	`jetscreamer`	`i know how to fix that Digamma`
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`02:19.29`	`jetscreamer`	`one second`
`02:19.33`	`abrotman`	`pourriture: stupid cables!`
`02:19.35`	`Digamma`	`thanks!`
`02:19.39`	`lunitik`	`gravity: any idea what "chmod: invalid mode: --reference=/etc/shells" being farted out by dpkg would mean?`
`02:19.43`	`pourriture`	`abrotman: it looks like it was a bad ethernet cable`
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`02:19.46`	`abrotman`	`btw .. wtf does an etch install in a hotel .. sounds .. dirty :)`
`02:19.51`	`gravity`	`lunitik: Nope`
`02:20.25`	`pstickne`	`pourriture, that's some bad luck to have an ethernet cable which just degrades signal O.o`
`02:20.30`	`pourriture`	`abrotman: we are in a country other than ou native and have to set up a server tomorrow ... so we had it shipped to the hotel`
`02:20.31`	`thechris`	`is there a GUI tool for configuring boot services?`
`02:21.02`	`Sebboh`	`... My favorite game to play with a new debian system is "don't accidently install X". I usually lose. Stupid dependency trees...`
`02:21.04`	`abrotman`	`pourriture: uhm .. this sounds shady :)`
`02:21.10`	`jetscreamer`	`Digamma: choose dialog when it asks you... sudo dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=dialog --priority=low debconf`
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`02:21.25`	`jetscreamer`	`Digamma: change priority to medium, not low`
`02:21.26`	`lunitik`	`thechris: a few... ksysv for instance`
`02:21.36`	`Sebboh`	`lunitik, it doesn't. the script that is calling chmod is really broken, looks like.`
`02:21.46`	`gravity`	`Fuck... where is that bug report?`
`02:21.48`	`jetscreamer`	`Digamma: if you don't have sudo just do it as root`
`02:21.57`	`abrotman`	`gravity: in the bts`
`02:22.14`	`Sebboh`	`abrotman :)`
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`02:22.17`	`jetscreamer`	`!sacrifice abrotman`
`02:22.34`	`lunitik`	`ouch... uhhh`
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`02:22.47`	`dvs`	`mouldy ram!`
`02:22.50`	`Sebboh`	`apparently the kernel source depends on X to build. =)`
`02:22.53`	`Digamma`	`I have sudo`
`02:22.56`	`Digamma`	`I am doing that`
`02:22.58`	`abrotman`	`Sebboh: uhm .. no`
`02:22.59`	`jetscreamer`	`Digamma: either or`
`02:23.00`	`Digamma`	`And I am at the menu`
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`02:23.09`	`jetscreamer`	`choose dialog`
`02:23.09`	`Sebboh`	`(kernel docs-->latex-->x crap)`
`02:23.14`	`Digamma`	`ok`
`02:23.14`	`jetscreamer`	`and medium`
`02:23.40`	`Digamma`	`ok Its doing nothing`
`02:24.01`	`jetscreamer`	`did it ask you about dialog?`
`02:24.07`	`thechris`	`hmm, that didn't list all of my services`
`02:24.15`	`jetscreamer`	`choose any non-X app`
`02:24.19`	`jetscreamer`	`not gnome, not kde`
`02:24.27`	`Sebboh`	`abrot, the docs dep on all this tex and sgml crap which dep on gs and company. ..I guess it didn't install an xserver, but it did everything else.`
`02:24.28`	`jetscreamer`	`readline if it's the only one`
`02:24.33`	`Digamma`	`?`
`02:24.39`	`Digamma`	`I chose Dialog`
`02:24.41`	`jetscreamer`	`k`
`02:24.41`	`Sebboh`	`choose dialoge.. =P`
`02:24.47`	`Digamma`	`then Medium`
`02:24.55`	`Digamma`	`right?`
`02:24.56`	`jetscreamer`	`it should work when you do apt-get -f install if it's all done`
`02:24.58`	`jetscreamer`	`yes`
`02:25.00`	`jetscreamer`	`correct`
`02:25.02`	`thechris`	`is there any easy way to find out what is starting at boot, and cut back on it`
`02:25.03`	`Digamma`	`okk`
`02:25.12`	`thechris`	`i know appletalk takes about 1minute to start...`
`02:25.16`	`jetscreamer`	`do the apt-get -f`
`02:25.19`	`Digamma`	`I thought it would do something wierd right after`
`02:25.19`	`Digamma`	`thanks`
`02:25.24`	`thechris`	`which makes no sense as i have no apple clients`
`02:25.49`	`Digamma`	`same bash error`
`02:25.58`	`jetscreamer`	`it's not exactly a bash error`
`02:25.59`	`Digamma`	`looks the same as`
`02:26.04`	`Digamma`	`Well`
`02:26.07`	`jetscreamer`	`but it's saying gnome not found or dialog not found`
`02:26.12`	`lunitik`	`thechris: thats not what you asked earlier... sysv-rc-conf or rcconf are preferred...`
`02:26.14`	`Sebboh`	`apt-get --purge remove appletalk ?`
`02:26.38`	`Digamma`	`Ok`
`02:26.40`	`thechris`	`lunitik: i was thinking it would list all my services, not just the popular ones`
`02:26.42`	`Digamma`	`Its in normal mode`
`02:26.51`	`Digamma`	`But bash is the issue`
`02:26.56`	`jetscreamer`	`what is in normal mode Digamma ?`
`02:27.03`	`Digamma`	`??`
`02:27.11`	`Digamma`	`This is the error I am getting`
`02:27.12`	`thechris`	`lunitik: how do i get rcconf?`
`02:27.14`	`Digamma`	`join #Paste`
`02:27.30`	`jetscreamer`	`ah`
`02:27.31`	`jetscreamer`	`nm`
`02:27.33`	`jetscreamer`	`i see`
`02:27.36`	`lunitik`	`thechris: thats a serious question?`
`02:27.36`	`jetscreamer`	`it does fall back`
`02:27.39`	`thechris`	`ah, there is a package for rcconf`
`02:27.39`	`jetscreamer`	`:(`
`02:27.47`	`Digamma`	`Can I compile a new bash?`
`02:27.55`	`jetscreamer`	`did you compile that one?`
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`02:28.06`	`Digamma`	`nope It updated itseld`
`02:28.09`	`Digamma`	`itself*`
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`02:28.31`	`Digamma`	`http://channels.debian.net/paste/4111`
`02:28.38`	`Digamma`	`thats the error that I need to fix`
`02:28.42`	`lunitik`	`Digamma: who told you how to upgrade to Sid? I need to kill them`
`02:28.56`	`Digamma`	`Other people in #Debian`
`02:28.58`	`Digamma`	`I forget who`
`02:29.02`	`Digamma`	`yoga?`
`02:29.11`	`thechris`	`now i just need to find out what these services are.`
`02:29.13`	`Digamma`	`in KNOPPIX`
`02:29.22`	`jetscreamer`	`Digamma: i see no bash being downloaded`
`02:29.26`	`Digamma`	`I know`
`02:29.32`	`Digamma`	`I NEED TO INSTALL BASH`
`02:29.38`	`jetscreamer`	`Digamma: try this`
`02:29.41`	`Digamma`	`DOWNLOAD AND INSTALL BASH`
`02:29.42`	`Digamma`	`ok`
`02:29.45`	`Miesco`	`How come when I try to umount a SMB fs it says device is busy`
`02:29.45`	`Digamma`	`shoot`
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`02:29.52`	`Miesco`	`Can I force it to umount?`
`02:29.56`	`jetscreamer`	`Digamma: do exactly what it says. no more, no less`
`02:29.59`	`jetscreamer`	`!fix-unmet`
`02:29.59`	`dpkg`	`somebody said fix-unmet was run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot`
`02:30.03`	`dan2`	`whoa`
`02:30.29`	`dvs`	`dselect? I'd take sid anyday. ;-)`
`02:30.47`	`jetscreamer`	`dvs: you speak about that which you do not know`
`02:30.52`	`jetscreamer`	`read it`
`02:30.56`	`abrotman`	`shouldn't he be asking #knoppix ?`
`02:31.02`	`dvs`	`heh`
`02:31.08`	`jetscreamer`	`is he running knoppix?`
`02:31.12`	`jetscreamer`	`then yes of course`
`02:31.15`	`abrotman`	`yes .. like he was two hours ago`
`02:31.17`	`jetscreamer`	`the init is different`
`02:31.18`	`jetscreamer`	`oh`
`02:31.29`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: said he's using Sid...`
`02:32.02`	`abrotman`	`<Digamma> I have 2.78 of KNOPPIX`
`02:32.05`	`abrotman`	`from hours ago`
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`02:32.19`	`Digamma`	`thanks for the quote`
`02:32.20`	`lunitik`	`Ahhh... BLAH`
`02:32.34`	`Miesco`	`How come I cant unmount this smb fs?`
`02:32.42`	`abrotman`	`stop using it . unmount it`
`02:32.56`	`jetscreamer`	`lsof miesco`
`02:33.00`	`jetscreamer`	`\|less maybe`
`02:33.01`	`Digamma`	`I did`
`02:33.07`	`Digamma`	`I am running DAMN-Small Linux`
`02:33.14`	`abrotman`	`make up your mind`
`02:33.16`	`jetscreamer`	`well that's even worse`
`02:33.19`	`abrotman`	`knoppix sid or dsl ?`
`02:33.23`	`abrotman`	`you get to pick ONE`
`02:33.24`	`lunitik`	`Digamma: thats STILL not Debian`
`02:33.29`	`Digamma`	`I know`
`02:33.31`	`jetscreamer`	`this is debian and those 2 can be different`
`02:33.34`	`abrotman`	`they are`
`02:33.38`	`Digamma`	`I just know that KNOPPIX uses debian`
`02:33.42`	`jetscreamer`	`but still if anything can fix it that factoid can`
`02:33.50`	`Sebboh`	`I am amused. =)`
`02:33.52`	`abrotman`	`Digamma: it uses its own stuff`
`02:33.58`	`abrotman`	`Digamma: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1`
`02:34.06`	`Miesco`	`jetscreamer: K`
`02:34.24`	`Miesco`	`jetscreamer: What am I looking for`
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`02:34.37`	`Digamma`	`root@box:/home/dsl# dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1`
`02:34.38`	`Digamma`	`ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone`
`02:34.40`	`Digamma`	`??`
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`02:35.32`	`abrotman`	`Digamma: dpkg -l bash \| tail -1`
`02:35.34`	`jetscreamer`	`Miesco: whatever is accessing the smb share and not letting you unmount it`
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`02:35.55`	`jsan`	`how command i use to see the diffence betwen 2 files ?`
`02:36.00`	`jetscreamer`	`diff`
`02:36.03`	`Digamma`	`root@box:/home/dsl# dpkg -l bash \| tail -1`
`02:36.03`	`Digamma`	`iF bash 2.05b-26 The GNU Bourne Again SHell`
`02:36.22`	`Sebboh`	`Is the F for fubar?`
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`02:36.39`	`odla`	`how can i set up my vfat windows partition so that i can assess it as a regular user? i've edited /etc/fstab but i think my syntax might be wrong`
`02:36.39`	`abrotman`	`diff,cmp`
`02:36.40`	`Lilandra`	`Hi`
`02:36.42`	`thechris`	`how to configure packages? eg, apache, subversion?`
`02:36.49`	`abrotman`	`!info bash sarge`
`02:36.51`	`dpkg`	`bash: (The GNU Bourne Again SHell), section base, is required. Version: 2.05b-26 (sarge), Packaged size: 611 kB, Installed size: 1228 kB`
`02:36.54`	`Miesco`	`jetscreamer: How do I check if something is using the mount?`
`02:37.02`	`abrotman`	`Digamma: you already have bash ..`
`02:37.05`	`jetscreamer`	`Miesco: lsof should tell you`
`02:37.06`	`abrotman`	`wait .. wtf is iF`
`02:37.09`	`Digamma`	`I know I have bash`
`02:37.17`	`Miesco`	`jetscreamer: What do I look for`
`02:37.18`	`abrotman`	`oh .. failed-config .. yay!`
`02:37.19`	`jsan`	`jetscreamer there is options with dif without see < > caracteres ?`
`02:37.19`	`Digamma`	`I WANT AN OLDER VERSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`02:37.21`	`abrotman`	`dpkg --configure -a`
`02:37.23`	`jetscreamer`	`Miesco: i don't know`
`02:37.25`	`abrotman`	`no you don't`
`02:37.32`	`Sebboh`	`the first letter is what you want, the second letter is what you got. Want: installed. got: failed.`
`02:37.37`	`jetscreamer`	`Miesco: whatever is accessing something on the share`
`02:37.50`	`jetscreamer`	`Miesco: you can grep for the sharename maybe`
`02:37.52`	`Dewi`	`wow`
`02:37.59`	`Dewi`	`debian does its best to provide really old software`
`02:38.03`	`Dewi`	`we don't normally get complaints of that nature`
`02:38.04`	`jetscreamer`	`Digamma: reinstall from scratch`
`02:38.05`	`odla`	`http://pastebin.ca/209254 <- fstab entry`
`02:38.08`	`Dewi`	`;)`
`02:38.08`	`Miesco`	`jetscreamer: I tried that`
`02:38.16`	`Digamma`	`You mean reinstall DSL?`
`02:38.19`	`Digamma`	`Alltogether`
`02:38.21`	`Digamma`	`Ok`
`02:38.22`	`jetscreamer`	`Miesco: you could always just reboot :o`
`02:38.28`	`Digamma`	`Well I'll get to that tommmorow`
`02:38.28`	`lunitik`	`Dewi: bs... debian stable tries its best to be STABLE... go figure...`
`02:38.29`	`jetscreamer`	`yes Digamma`
`02:38.30`	`abrotman`	`why does he wnat an older version again ?`
`02:38.31`	`Digamma`	`byethen`
`02:38.37`	`jetscreamer`	`k g'luck`
`02:38.37`	`Digamma`	`o/`
`02:38.40`	`Digamma`	`thans`
`02:38.42`	`Digamma`	`thanks*`
`02:38.59`	`Dewi`	`lunitik: I know. It's my favourite. I will still complain that it is old however :P`
`02:39.14`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: he thinks an older version will work better`
`02:39.17`	`Dewi`	`lunitik: actually to be quite serious for a moment; I kind of think testing is a little neglected`
`02:39.19`	`abrotman`	`work better .. for what ?`
`02:39.29`	`jetscreamer`	`he forgot to tell me he was trying to downgrade`
`02:39.33`	`jetscreamer`	`:o`
`02:39.57`	`lunitik`	`Dewi: I use Sid shrug ... its what the devels use, so is usually at least fixed quickly :)`
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`02:40.11`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: I don't think he ever said actually... heh`
`02:40.13`	`Dewi`	`lunitik: testing has a relatively good mix between stable and new, but unfortunately there is no way to freeze against functional changes but still get security patches`
`02:40.19`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: okeeodkee .. well then`
`02:40.24`	`freeman`	`If I've installed a debian package by -> dpkg -i filename.deb ,, How do I uninstall it?`
`02:40.24`	`Dewi`	`lunitik: so I tend to do a big update every... 2 or 3 months`
`02:40.25`	`thechris`	`what ever happened to dpkg --reconfigure?`
`02:40.34`	`Dewi`	`lunitik: and in the mean time my machine probably isn't perfectly secure`
`02:40.36`	`jetscreamer`	`it's dpkg-reconfigure`
`02:40.36`	`abrotman`	`dpkg-reconfigure`
`02:40.37`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: he just said his bash was broken, so wanted an older version to fix it... or something`
`02:41.00`	`Dewi`	`lunitik: I wonder if I could write a script to, say, update only packages where my current version has been found to be insecure`
`02:41.02`	`abrotman`	`okeedokee`
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`02:41.14`	`Dewi`	`lunitik: I probably could if I understood what testing-security was and how it worked`
`02:41.19`	`jetscreamer`	`okiedokie`
`02:41.25`	`lunitik`	`Dewi: no idea...`
`02:41.41`	`odla`	`any ideas how i set up fstab so that i can read and write my windows (VFAT) partition as a regular user?`
`02:41.45`	`loopddo`	`would anyone know why tvtimecloses as soon as i open it, and xawtv opens but puts snow across the screen ?`
`02:42.02`	`jetscreamer`	`odla: http://linux.hfds.com/files/fstab.1 or .2`
`02:42.08`	`freeman`	`If I've installed a debian package by -> dpkg -i filename.deb ,, How do I uninstall it? (I Don't have the deb package no more)`
`02:42.13`	`Miesco`	`To make an mp3 from wav, do I want lame or mp3encode?`
`02:42.20`	`Miesco`	`option in grip`
`02:42.29`	`jetscreamer`	`.1`
`02:42.33`	`jetscreamer`	`that's grep`
`02:42.40`	`abrotman`	`!tell odla about vfatrw`
`02:42.40`	`jetscreamer`	`oh`
`02:42.41`	`jetscreamer`	`nm`
`02:42.46`	`lunitik`	`freeman: umm.. why would you need the package to uninstall? just -e filename`
`02:42.46`	`Sebboh`	`dewi, can't you do that just by making your only apt-source be the security source?`
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`02:42.50`	`jetscreamer`	`that factoid SUCKS`
`02:42.55`	`jetscreamer`	`:)`
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`02:43.01`	`dvs`	`loopddo: run "tvtime" in a console`
`02:43.08`	`jetscreamer`	`i know because it's a bastarized version of mine`
`02:43.10`	`jetscreamer`	`d`
`02:43.15`	`freeman`	`lunitik, does it need the exact filename as it was in .deb?`
`02:43.24`	`dvs`	`loopddo: xterm console that is`
`02:43.35`	`jsan`	`how i see the diference betwenn 2 files but only the new words ? without caracters < >`
`02:43.40`	`loopddo`	`dvs, oh, hardware YuY2 overlay`
`02:43.41`	`lunitik`	`freeman: foo-3214_435346.deb ... just the foo part :/`
`02:43.53`	`Sebboh`	`man sdiff`
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`02:43.58`	`dvs`	`loopddo: xvideo?`
`02:44.11`	`loopddo`	`dvs, guess I could install ati proprietary drivers again... what about the ones built in ?`
`02:44.16`	`loopddo`	`dvs, yes`
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`02:44.29`	`Sebboh`	`jsan, there are command line options that you can pass to sdiff to control what it shows. man sdiff for more details.`
`02:44.37`	`Dewi`	`Sebboh: well then I couldn't install other stuff`
`02:44.42`	`dvs`	`loopddo: won't work with the ati proprietary and the Radeon X1000 series line`
`02:44.48`	`Sebboh`	`Dewi, right. =)`
`02:44.50`	`freeman`	`lunitik, I've typed -e filename, and it has taken me to /var/tmp/filename.XXEavXck`
`02:44.58`	`Dewi`	`Sebboh: but it's possible that I could just only put that line in when I want to install stuff`
`02:45.00`	`loopddo`	`dvs, bummer`
`02:45.03`	`Dewi`	`Sebboh: and leave it commented the rest of the time`
`02:45.22`	`lunitik`	`freeman: ffs.... 'dpkg -e whateverpackage'...`
`02:45.25`	`Dewi`	`Sebboh: it's probably as simple as that... :) but doco on testing security often tends to be vague or outdated. I need to find out more :)`
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`02:45.45`	`Sebboh`	`Dewi, no.. You would face the same problems, the newer versions of things would be there when you uncommented that line and did an apt-get update..`
`02:46.04`	`Dewi`	`does debian have any doco place that tends to be quite up-to-date? like a well-maintained wiki or something?`
`02:46.07`	`thechris`	`unknown error 990. it has a code, and yet no explaination...`
`02:46.36`	`Sebboh`	`there is wiki.debian.org but I doubt that what you are looking for exists, other than maybe the mailing lists or BTS itself.`
`02:46.37`	`lunitik`	`Dewi: wiki.debian.org ... (or .net I forget) ... how well maintained? not sure`
`02:46.40`	`Dewi`	`like there are some great howtos and sites, like that debian admin one... but I never know where to look for recent news or up-to-the-week doco on things like security`
`02:46.43`	`Dewi`	`except here`
`02:47.05`	`abrotman`	`Dewi: subscribe to the debian-security RSS`
`02:47.09`	`lunitik`	`Dewi: there is DWN that is weekly`
`02:47.10`	`holycow`	`hello debianites`
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`02:47.20`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: was ...`
`02:47.27`	`holycow`	`altho`
`02:47.33`	`holycow`	`debianistas sounds more fun :)`
`02:47.36`	`lunitik`	`Dewi: it also has an RSS feed... and contains security advisories...`
`02:47.38`	`odla`	`abrotman: thanks`
`02:47.40`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: its not anymore?`
`02:47.49`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: when is the last time you got one ?`
`02:47.57`	`freeman`	`Anyone got AVG on their linux box?`
`02:48.02`	`freeman`	`lunitik, thanks!`
`02:48.11`	`holycow`	`freeman, of course not`
`02:48.12`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: I haven't set up akregator yet.. I need to get to that`
`02:48.15`	`holycow`	`wtf would you need that?`
`02:48.43`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: yeah ..hasn't been one in like three weeks`
`02:49.05`	`freeman`	`Well, my brother did installed it in my linux box, and I have hard time uninstalling it!`
`02:49.16`	`abrotman`	`guess he's smarter than you :)`
`02:49.23`	`Ronin`	`heh`
`02:49.38`	`lunitik`	`freeman: if Anti-Virus things make you happy... try clamav`
`02:49.50`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: ahh`
`02:50.14`	`Ronin`	`thats reminds me i really should update my clamav on the mail server`
`02:50.17`	`holycow`	`freebsd_fan, just search for all files with avg type names and delete them`
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`02:50.28`	`abrotman`	`Dewi: there are various news feeds for debian stuff .. besides mailing lists`
`02:50.32`	`holycow`	`and make sure its init script isn't started at boot`
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`02:51.31`	`freeman`	`lunitik, I do have clamav, but I have hard time uninstalling AVG.`
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`02:52.23`	`k-man_`	`what sort of multiplexing scheme does 802.11b/g employ?`
`02:53.03`	`freeman`	`holycow, i've tried doing this -> sudo find / -name avg .. with no luck :( (Hoping to delete the files manually)`
`02:53.03`	`abrotman`	`L`
`02:53.09`	`abrotman`	`k-man_: ask #wireless`
`02:53.14`	`holycow`	`try sudo updatedb`
`02:53.19`	`holycow`	`then sudo locate some name`
`02:54.01`	`freeman`	`holycow, How do i avoid case sensitivity .. such as find -iname ..`
`02:54.07`	`freeman`	`for Locate?`
`02:54.26`	`holycow`	`it will show you all`
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`02:55.28`	`Sebboh`	`my console is showing boxes.. I guess they are nonprintable control codes.`
`02:55.35`	`Sebboh`	`How do I prevent that?`
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`02:56.01`	`Sebboh`	`Can I display bold or color or whatever these boxes are supposed to signfy?`
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`02:56.12`	`Sebboh`	`s/nfy/nify/`
`02:56.37`	`lunitik`	`freeman: you got AVG installed on your Debian? I didn't even know it had a Linux port :/`
`02:56.41`	`abrotman`	`pick a better locale`
`02:56.49`	`holycow`	`freeman, btw ... why would he do such a thing?`
`02:56.54`	`holycow`	`lunitik, they do indeed`
`02:56.59`	`freeman`	`lunitik, It has .rpm only, i used alien to convert it to .deb`
`02:57.04`	`holycow`	`they even have a linux server edition for smtp gateways`
`02:57.15`	`freeman`	`holycow, I donno..!`
`02:57.16`	`holycow`	`freeman, so you installed it`
`02:57.17`	`holycow`	`>_>`
`02:57.21`	`holycow`	`HAHA!`
`02:57.21`	`jetscreamer`	`Sebboh: dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data has fixed that for me before iirc`
`02:57.22`	`holycow`	`:)`
`02:57.34`	`freeman`	`i = he .. sorry, typo`
`02:57.43`	`holycow`	`all good i bug ya`
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`02:57.56`	`holycow`	`freeman, if you did dpkg -I`
`02:57.56`	`Sebboh`	`hum. (It's a fresh install!) Ok, thanks, jetscream and abrot`
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`02:58.02`	`holycow`	`why don't you use apt to remove it`
`02:58.08`	`holycow`	`do apt-cache search avg or whatever`
`02:58.17`	`holycow`	`then do apt-get remove --purge whatever the package name is`
`02:58.23`	`holycow`	`that will bounce it`
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`02:59.53`	`freeman`	`holycow, If i manually deleted all the files, that is associated with avg, will the avg be deleted from application > accessories ?`
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`03:00.05`	`holycow`	`no`
`03:00.07`	`holycow`	`just use apt`
`03:00.46`	`holycow`	`for some reason i thought you bypassed th epackaging system`
`03:01.15`	`freeman`	`My brother downloaded the .rpm package, he then used the alien package to convert it to .deb .`
`03:01.17`	`freeman`	`He didn't used apt-get`
`03:01.23`	`holycow`	`dude`
`03:01.24`	`holycow`	`stop`
`03:01.31`	`holycow`	`just listen to what i'm telling you to do then do it`
`03:01.40`	`holycow`	`he used dpkg to install the deb`
`03:01.47`	`holycow`	`its irrelevant whether or not he used apt`
`03:01.53`	`thechris`	`Anyone know how to fix XFS error 990 (unknown)?`
`03:01.55`	`holycow`	`apt will now have avg in its package db`
`03:01.57`	`holycow`	`thus`
`03:02.03`	`holycow`	`do as i told you, once again:`
`03:02.10`	`Sebboh`	`freeman, since a .deb was used, the package is registered. it can be removed by the normal systems. That's the advantage to using debs. =)`
`03:02.10`	`holycow`	`apt-cache search avg (or whatever)`
`03:02.14`	`holycow`	`find the package name`
`03:02.14`	`holycow`	`then`
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`03:02.24`	`holycow`	`apt-get remove --purge avg (or whatever the package name is`
`03:02.26`	`holycow`	`k?`
`03:02.50`	`holycow`	`actually its not the 'apt' db`
`03:02.54`	`holycow`	`its the dpkg package db`
`03:03.01`	`Sebboh`	`freeman, holycow, personally, I would use dpkg -l\|grep -i avg -- instead of apt-cache search ...`
`03:03.01`	`holycow`	`apt is just a commaqnd line frontend for dpkg`
`03:03.14`	`holycow`	`you can use gui or whtever`
`03:03.22`	`freeman`	`That's really awesome.. ! :)`
`03:03.27`	`holycow`	`or you can use that too sure`
`03:03.27`	`Sebboh`	`heh`
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`03:04.04`	`freeman`	`holycow, --purge removes the files and it's configuration files.. in another word, everything, correct?`
`03:04.21`	`holycow`	`correct`
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`03:04.27`	`Sebboh`	`why are locales generated on my local machine, instead of being generated by the distros?`
`03:04.35`	`abrotman`	`huh ?`
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`03:05.06`	`freeman`	`holycow, thanks!`
`03:05.08`	`Sebboh`	`why are locales generated on my local machine, instead of being pre-"generated" for me, like most packages are pre-compiled for me?`
`03:05.10`	`holycow`	`no prob`
`03:05.10`	`freeman`	`Sebboh, Thanks!`
`03:05.30`	`holycow`	`because not everyone is in the same locale?`
`03:05.41`	`holycow`	`if this was planet france, yeah then maybe that would work`
`03:05.51`	`Dewi`	`abrotman / lunitik : thanks for the pointers guys. I'll subscribe to some more RSS or mail... and hopefully not die in the avalanche :P`
`03:06.34`	`freeman`	`Later all... thanks again all!`
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`03:12.00`	`oxyride`	`freeman,`
`03:12.13`	`oxyride`	`are you there?`
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`03:12.57`	`abrotman`	`he quit`
`03:12.59`	`black_13`	`i want to remove the old deb files is there a safe way to do this`
`03:13.00`	`abrotman`	`bah`
`03:13.08`	`abrotman`	`black_13: old deb files .. from where ?`
`03:13.25`	`black_13`	`well not old`
`03:13.31`	`ahlfors`	`black_13, do you mean from /var/cache/apt/archives ?`
`03:13.35`	`black_13`	`/var/cache/apt/archives`
`03:13.52`	`abrotman`	`apt-get clean`
`03:14.10`	`ahlfors`	`or apt-get autoclean, which I think is more conservative in what it removes`
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`03:16.06`	`black_13`	`cool`
`03:16.08`	`Miesco`	`ls`
`03:16.10`	`Miesco`	`sorry :)`
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`03:26.10`	`Sebboh`	`sorry, I had to step away from the PC. As I was asking about the locales: why are they generated on my local machine from source files, instead of being made available pre-built, like everything else on my linux box?`
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`03:28.43`	`Fox_1_`	`any documentation about exim4+mysql configuration under debian3.1`
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`03:29.38`	`thechris`	`is there anyone here who could help me with the setting up of a file server. specificlly, i had planned to use XFS, but cannot due to "unknown error 990"`
`03:29.49`	`Miesco`	`K im getting "not enough space on device"`
`03:29.52`	`Miesco`	`How do I check?`
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`03:30.33`	`k-man_`	`df`
`03:30.44`	`Fox_1_`	`Miesco: df -h`
`03:30.59`	`Miesco`	`Fox_1_: What will that show me?`
`03:31.04`	`k-man_`	`man df`
`03:31.08`	`pollywog`	`I thought that I could change the boot order in /boot/grub/menu.lst but grub changes it back`
`03:31.15`	`pollywog`	`any ideas?`
`03:31.30`	`Fox_1_`	`Miesco: write and you'll see`
`03:31.37`	`Miesco`	`/dev/hda3 98G 93G 20M 100% /`
`03:31.39`	`Miesco`	`What the hell`
`03:31.46`	`Miesco`	`How do I find out whats taking up all the space?`
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`03:32.02`	`k-man_`	`cd /; du -s * \| sort -n`
`03:32.08`	`Miesco`	`84G /var`
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`03:32.19`	`findme`	`which one is a limewire variant for debian? frostwire?`
`03:32.30`	`abrotman`	`gtk-gnutella`
`03:32.47`	`findme`	`abrotman, thats it, this is the package i was refering to earlier.`
`03:32.53`	`findme`	`!abrotman++`
`03:33.01`	`Fox_1_`	`any documentation about exim4+mysql configuration under debian3.1`
`03:33.04`	`TwistedEmotions`	`!pkg`
`03:33.08`	`TwistedEmotions`	`!dpkg`
`03:33.08`	`dpkg`	`[dpkg] the base of the Debian package management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package`
`03:33.22`	`k-man_`	`Fox_1_, did you search google?`
`03:33.27`	`Fox_1_`	`yes`
`03:33.31`	`Fox_1_`	`bu nothing`
`03:33.34`	`Miesco`	`83G log`
`03:33.35`	`abrotman`	`there should be plenty`
`03:33.37`	`Miesco`	`Its in /var/log`
`03:33.40`	`Miesco`	`WHAT`
`03:33.52`	`abrotman`	`http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=exim4+mysql+debian+howto&btnG=Google+Search`
`03:33.54`	`abrotman`	`wow .. first hit`
`03:34.03`	`Miesco`	`83G gnump3d`
`03:34.16`	`pollywog`	`how do I change the kernel image that boots by default in GRUB? I thought this was in menu.lst but GRUB changes it back`
`03:34.28`	`abrotman`	`it is in menu.lst`
`03:34.32`	`pollywog`	`hmmm`
`03:34.47`	`pollywog`	`GRUB changes it back`
`03:34.51`	`k-man_`	`don't you have to run update-grub or something afterwards?`
`03:34.56`	`pollywog`	`yes`
`03:35.01`	`Miesco`	`83G error.log`
`03:35.04`	`pollywog`	`that is when it changes it back`
`03:35.04`	`Miesco`	`Must be some error lol`
`03:35.14`	`CcSsNET`	`wrong file type?`
`03:35.18`	`CcSsNET`	`or size?`
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`03:35.37`	`Miesco`	`Im removing the program`
`03:36.18`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Anyone want to tell me what I am doing wrong in this program?`
`03:36.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`http://channels.debian.net/paste/4116`
`03:36.36`	`abrotman`	`ask ##c`
`03:36.52`	`TwistedEmotions`	`abrotman, /cry those fuckers dont know ;(`
`03:37.14`	`abrotman`	`they damn well should .. it's in C`
`03:37.45`	`CcSsNET`	`lol`
`03:37.51`	`TwistedEmotions`	`They basically told me.. that you have to do it manually..`
`03:37.58`	`TwistedEmotions`	`And thats.. not right.`
`03:38.02`	`abrotman`	`TwistedEmotions: if they don't know now .. wait til tomorrow .. ask again`
`03:38.09`	`Miesco`	`df -h still says I am using 93 gigs`
`03:38.18`	`TwistedEmotions`	`abrotman, or I could killem all?`
`03:38.24`	`pollywog`	`I still don't understand the situation with Nvidia drivers... is Debian dumping them?`
`03:38.31`	`abrotman`	`TwistedEmotions: not a good way to get help`
`03:38.41`	`pollywog`	`I figured out why they don't compile though, compiler errors`
`03:39.09`	`pollywog`	`I guess I have to expect that when I use Etch`
`03:39.19`	`abrotman`	`pollywog: no .. they'll get back in`
`03:39.20`	`Coweater`	`TwistedEmotions: why wouldn't it be right?`
`03:39.25`	`pollywog`	`oh good`
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`03:39.33`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Coweater, heh?`
`03:39.46`	`Fox_1_`	`abrotman: i have said with mysql`
`03:40.06`	`abrotman`	`wow .. and what does it say ?`
`03:40.11`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Coweater, I could kill them.. but I mean.. its not nice right?`
`03:40.18`	`thechris`	`JFS users abide?`
`03:40.21`	`abrotman`	`exim4+mysql+debian+howto`
`03:40.24`	`Coweater`	`doing it manually...`
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`03:41.15`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Coweaterm, cause I think he (the teacher) wants it done automatically..`
`03:41.33`	`Coweater`	`ask him then`
`03:41.34`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Coweaterm, whatever.. he can deal with my fucked up formatting.`
`03:41.47`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Heh.. due at 12 tonight.`
`03:42.01`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat, I slept with your GF.`
`03:42.14`	`TwistedEmotions`	`!seen deadcat`
`03:42.14`	`dpkg`	`deadcat is currently on #debian (7h 25m 2s). Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 7h 7m 41s, last said: 'Twisted: i was at the davis bike auction the pass sat.. man those bikes were shits.. and they were going for 60-120$.. i mean shits.. flat tires and cheap shits which cost like 80$ at walmart NEW... i thought mine was $$ when i paid $150 on craigslist.. b'.`
`03:42.38`	`TwistedEmotions`	`that basterd needs to stop using screen`
`03:42.39`	`abrotman`	`TwistedEmotions: STOP`
`03:42.59`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Stop what?`
`03:43.00`	`pollywog`	`is there a patch-o-matic for Debian?`
`03:43.15`	`CcSsNET`	`!seen ccssnet`
`03:43.15`	`dpkg`	`ccssnet is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen ccssnet'.`
`03:43.26`	`pollywog`	`I want to use Shorewall with ipsets and I need some patch-o-matic thing`
`03:43.32`	`TwistedEmotions`	`pollywog, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?`
`03:43.32`	`CcSsNET`	`heh it doesnt complain about checking myself haha`
`03:43.53`	`pollywog`	`TwistedEmotions: I don't see the patch thing`
`03:44.01`	`CcSsNET`	`or maybe apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade`
`03:44.26`	`TwistedEmotions`	`pollywog, what 'patch' thing.. I thought you just meant general updates?`
`03:45.03`	`pollywog`	`Twisted: to use ipsets with Shorewall, I need to use some patch-matic thing to patch the kernel`
`03:45.13`	`pollywog`	`patch-o-matic`
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`03:46.02`	`TwistedEmotions`	`pollywog, Ohhh.. sorry dude dont remember enough.. when I was doing all that I just built the kernel with that iptables built in`
`03:46.22`	`pollywog`	`yeah iptables is fine`
`03:46.40`	`TwistedEmotions`	`pollywog, I dont know exactly what you are looking for.. but assuming its a package... apt-get update && apt-cache search patch-o-matic`
`03:46.44`	`pollywog`	`I think maybe shorewall is too much trouble as things are now`
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`03:47.10`	`pollywog`	`maybe I can get it to work in Sarge`
`03:47.17`	`TwistedEmotions`	`pollywog, ignore my advice if it sounds dumb.. Im a newb`
`03:47.37`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Ohh.. I always used sid`
`03:47.41`	`pollywog`	`I have been using Linux for 9 yrs I am still a newb`
`03:48.00`	`abrotman`	`i'm so old!`
`03:48.19`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Went back to windows ;( Damn thats addictive World of Warcraft`
`03:48.30`	`pollywog`	`I started with Caldera OpenLinux`
`03:48.34`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Im coming to debian again soon.`
`03:48.43`	`Xenguy`	`TwistedEmotions: just run both if you need to ;-)`
`03:48.44`	`pollywog`	`wouldn't touch Caldera with a 10 foot pole now`
`03:48.52`	`abrotman`	`hehe .. tetris installer!`
`03:49.12`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Xenguy, such a pain in the ass to switch ;(`
`03:49.35`	`pollywog`	`I still use Windows for gaming too`
`03:49.36`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Xenguy, 10 minutes restarts and all that.`
`03:49.45`	`pollywog`	`not all games will run on Cedega`
`03:49.49`	`Xenguy`	`TwistedEmotions: dual-boot, or use VMware/qemu`
`03:49.58`	`liable`	`damn, thats a slow reboot`
`03:50.12`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Well not 10.. but 4-5?`
`03:50.43`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Xenguy, WAY too much of a performance drop for VMwar/qemu`
`03:50.49`	`thechris`	`i can never get past gentoo. i can solve problems with gentoo. i've been wanting a replacement for a while, but nothing really fits. i just tried debain for a fileserver. failed...`
`03:50.55`	`pollywog`	`it seems like Caldera started on the wrong path when they acquaired Dr DOS and then sued M$`
`03:51.09`	`pollywog`	`acquired*`
`03:51.16`	`Xenguy`	`TwistedEmotions: then you are dual booting, or using Cedega/wine - accept it :-)`
`03:51.24`	`lunitik`	`Caldera brought UNIX with the goal of combining it with Linux... then umm... farted on themselves or something?`
`03:51.33`	`abrotman`	`thechris: rcconf or update-rc.d`
`03:51.51`	`Xenguy`	`thechris: if gentoo works for you, then use it :-)`
`03:51.52`	`abrotman`	`thechris: and you'd probably rather use ext3 if you have no UPS`
`03:51.56`	`abrotman`	`!fs comparison`
`03:51.57`	`dpkg`	`hmm... filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html`
`03:52.24`	`pollywog`	`LOST is on in about 8 minutes if anyone cares`
`03:52.45`	`thechris`	`Xenguy: i really wanted to just quickly get a fileserver set up.`
`03:52.51`	`TwistedEmotions`	`What is the paste command for putty?`
`03:53.01`	`Xenguy`	`TwistedEmotions: right-click`
`03:53.13`	`Xenguy`	`thechris: go slowly instead :-)`
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`03:53.18`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Xenguy, right right..`
`03:53.31`	`lunitik`	`Novell pretty much filed papers in court that says SCO can't spend anymore money... hah`
`03:53.45`	`thechris`	`I don't care for ext3. it uses 2G of space to exist. i had wanted to use Solaris10, but i need a FDD to flash my BIOS to get support on my SATA card...`
`03:53.47`	`lunitik`	`Hard to continue in court if you can't spend money on Lawyers`
`03:55.14`	`thechris`	`i've never gotten to try it out yet. and that RAID-Z is just what i've been looking for`
`03:56.20`	`thechris`	`why does ext3 need 2% of drive space just to exist?`
`03:56.35`	`thechris`	`it came up as 2G of my 960G device`
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`03:58.34`	`thechris`	`does anyone know how to flash a card's BIOS without a FDD? or USBdrive?`
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`04:04.14`	`Eulex`	`thechris, ext3 reserves a percentage of the disk for use only by root, so that stuff won't be completely b0rked even if a user manages to fill up the drive.`
`04:05.49`	`Eulex`	`thechris, also, no filesystem will give you the ful 960gb; there is always some overhead of the filesystem.`
`04:06.00`	`thechris`	`Eulex: it should have been set to 0%.`
`04:06.07`	`thechris`	`yes, but 2G for 0 files?`
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`04:07.29`	`samuel`	`sup all`
`04:07.39`	`topa_`	`how do I make nm-applet to load automaticlly when I start my gnome-session ?`
`04:07.43`	`Eulex`	`thechris, 'should have been'? did you set it manually? also, there are often 'static' things that are stored regardless of filesystem.`
`04:07.53`	`samuel`	`anyone know if linux has something like WinFS? wont something like WinFS make databases obsolete?`
`04:08.00`	`topa_`	`as in I don't see the network-manager applet on my dock`
`04:08.38`	`thechris`	`Eulex: i did set it to 0% specifically. i was just shocked to see a new ext3 fs with 2G used and 0 files`
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`04:08.42`	`lunitik`	`topa_: umm... add it to System > Preferences > Session ?`
`04:08.51`	`etzerd`	`Hello all`
`04:09.03`	`etzerd`	`when the etch will be release?`
`04:09.08`	`EdLin`	`samuel: reiserfs v4 was to be that, but its future is uncertain`
`04:09.15`	`lunitik`	`!etch release`
`04:09.20`	`topa_`	`lunitik: it already seems to be placed there, ther's an entry called 'nm-applet --sm-disable'`
`04:09.21`	`lunitik`	`!release`
`04:09.21`	`dpkg`	`Sarge has been released (2005-06-06). Sarge is Debian 3.1, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <woody->sarge>.`
`04:09.32`	`lunitik`	`stupid bot`
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`04:09.34`	`gravity`	`etzerd: It's scheduled for early December`
`04:09.36`	`EdLin`	`!wir`
`04:09.36`	`dpkg`	`well, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH`
`04:09.39`	`samuel`	`EdLin, why? any links you may be able to share please?`
`04:09.55`	`etzerd`	`thanks gravity,`
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`04:10.05`	`EdLin`	`samuel: the reason why is that Hans Reiser has been arrested on murder charges`
`04:10.07`	`lunitik`	`topa_: that is the current session... save it as that`
`04:10.30`	`samuel`	`EdLin, your kidding right?`
`04:10.32`	`etzerd`	`What happen was I download it last night before I realise it was a prerelease`
`04:10.35`	`EdLin`	`samuel: no`
`04:10.36`	`Eulex`	`thechris, well, I don't know the internals of ext3... but, it seems reasonable. you could go read up on the internals of ext3, that would probably clear everything up for you.`
`04:10.37`	`topa_`	`lunitik: ok, you mean just logout and log back in ?`
`04:10.37`	`lunitik`	`topa_: or go to something like "Additional Services" (its another tab) ... and add it to the list there`
`04:10.51`	`Phated`	`samuel: Dude, how can you have missed it? It was on digg AND slashdot :)`
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`04:11.03`	`lunitik`	`topa_: by default, Gnome no longer saves sessions on log out... because they broke something, and would rather hide it than fix it`
`04:11.08`	`gravity`	`And ELESR!`
`04:11.11`	`samuel`	`Phated, ive been away for a while on work!`
`04:11.17`	`Phated`	`prolly, yeah - hey gravity btw :)`
`04:11.24`	`Phated`	`samuel: You stop reading at work? Hehe :)`
`04:11.30`	`topa_`	`lunitik: yes, I'm automatically saving sessions on logout`
`04:11.41`	`samuel`	`Phated, in oil platforms`
`04:11.49`	`gravity`	`Hiya Phated`
`04:11.50`	`samuel`	`no connection to the outside world`
`04:11.50`	`lunitik`	`topa_: ok... then yes... it should automagically come back when you log out and back in`
`04:12.00`	`topa_`	`lunitik: ok let me try that after some time`
`04:12.03`	`Eulex`	`lunitik, of course the reserved areas are smaller for a smaller filesystem.`
`04:12.09`	`etzerd`	`gravity: I know that default install for Linux is with Gnome, but I realise KDE is a better graphic interface than Gnome.`
`04:12.17`	`gravity`	`erm`
`04:12.18`	`thechris`	`Eulex: hmm, i may have to. XFS seems broken, and maybe ext3 will unbloat itself after time. I can't get to solaris for ZFS, and i don't really trust ReiserFS or JFS that much`
`04:12.21`	`Phated`	`samuel: Ooh harsh.`
`04:12.26`	`gravity`	`etzerd: Okaaaay?`
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`04:12.49`	`EdLin`	`etzerd: 'default install for Linux"? Plenty of distros default, when they default at all, to something besides GNOME.`
`04:12.50`	`Phated`	`samuel: http://msxml.infospace.com/good.feed/clickit/search?r_aid=FB78A3F34DD54C96B4BEF334CC34F730&r_eop=6&r_sacop=6&r_scoid=239171&r_spf=0&r_cop=main-title&r_snpp=4&r_spp=2&qqn=as%2CU.MgI&r_coid=239138&rawto=http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/BAGERLM3RR15.DTL :)`
`04:12.51`	`gravity`	`etzerd: There is no default install for "Linux"...`
`04:13.05`	`Phated`	`... oh, shite, sorry about that link, tinyurl to the rescue.`
`04:13.16`	`gravity`	`etzerd: Debian, and others, use Gnome as a default though. Other distros use KDE. Others don't have a default desktop install due to their nature.`
`04:13.21`	`samuel`	`Phated, im reading wikipedia now... im quite surprised!`
`04:13.43`	`etzerd`	`Thanks for the info.`
`04:13.46`	`EdLin`	`etzerd: I never use tasksel to install the GUI.`
`04:13.47`	`gravity`	`No problem`
`04:13.52`	`Phated`	`samuel: Heh, you wouldn't believe the number of jokes in the following days...`
`04:13.52`	`gravity`	`tasksel++`
`04:14.06`	`EdLin`	`tasksel--`
`04:14.12`	`samuel`	`Phated, i bet...`
`04:14.12`	`Phated`	`tasksel-- # tasksel = -1 :)`
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`04:14.28`	`etzerd`	`Reason why I said that is because KDE look very similar to windows. It is easier for a windows user to switch to KDE with no problem at all.`
`04:14.31`	`Phated`	`samuel: "The truth must be in his journal" was one... :)`
`04:14.38`	`gravity`	`tasksel is awesome`
`04:14.41`	`samuel`	`hahahahahaha`
`04:14.46`	`samuel`	`thats a good one!`
`04:14.53`	`Phated`	`samuel: And then the usual instability/blowing up jokes...`
`04:15.03`	`EdLin`	`!ricerfs`
`04:15.03`	`dpkg`	`i guess ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info.`
`04:15.14`	`tkooda`	`what's the name of an app that can display some transparent text on top of an x11 display? (i.e. to display the volume, or callerid info, etc)`
`04:15.21`	`odla`	`etzerd: i think kde is too confusing for windows user. it's way to configurable. gnome has much fewer options`
`04:15.47`	`Phated`	`tkooda: Try gdesklets or similar?`
`04:15.50`	`samuel`	`Phated, and nothing else is similar to reiser4?`
`04:15.57`	`gravity`	`tkooda: ssh-askpass-fullscreen`
`04:16.07`	`EdLin`	`tkooda: root-tail`
`04:16.07`	`gravity`	`tkooda: quodlibet has a plugin that's good too`
`04:16.18`	`Phated`	`samuel: I wouldn't know - ext3 girl, meself.`
`04:16.33`	`samuel`	`oh... thx`
`04:16.34`	`gravity`	`ext3++`
`04:17.10`	`Phated`	`True.`
`04:17.11`	`etzerd`	`odla: I have lot of friends I introduced to Linux all of them prefere KDE over Linux. Because KDE come with only one task bar where Gnome come with two. whic can be very anoying sometime.`
`04:17.30`	`Phated`	`How can you prever KDE over Linux? apples and condoms, surely.`
`04:17.36`	`EdLin`	`!start a wm war`
`04:17.37`	`dpkg`	`fvwm95 bites!`
`04:17.38`	`etzerd`	`I mean prefere KDE over Gnome`
`04:17.43`	`Phated`	`Ah :)`
`04:17.45`	`samuel`	`etzerd, delete one`
`04:17.58`	`samuel`	`problem solved`
`04:18.02`	`EdLin`	`etzerd: all my friends prefer Windows over GNU/Linux - so that means nothing to me.`
`04:18.06`	`etzerd`	`I did that samuel`
`04:18.15`	`gravity`	`etzerd: You can customize that... my gnome setup has only one taskbar`
`04:18.29`	`samuel`	`you can make kde look like gnome and gnome look like kde... i really dont see why so many wars over these issues...`
`04:18.29`	`gravity`	`It takes less than five minutes to set up`
`04:18.33`	`Phated`	`You can customise quite a bit of Gnome - enough that it has one task/menubar, anyways :)`
`04:18.34`	`gravity`	`samuel: Exactly`
`04:18.35`	`etzerd`	`my as well`
`04:18.44`	`Xenguy`	`EdLin: desert you 'friends' immediately! :P`
`04:18.46`	`odla`	`etzerd: i think kde by default looks more like windows but i think once folks start tinkering under the hood a linux newbie would be much more overwhelmed with kde than gnome`
`04:18.55`	`etzerd`	`but not anyone know how to customize it after delete one.`
`04:18.58`	`Phated`	`EdLin: Friends don't let friends use Windows!`
`04:19.02`	`tkooda`	`thanks for the suggestions guys, but I don't think any of those'll work.. (I'm not running gnome, so applets prolly won't work; and I don't want to prompt for anything, just display large-ish (semi-transparent?) text; -like the current volume, etc)`
`04:19.03`	`EdLin`	`Xenguy: what I was pointing out is that popularity is meaningless`
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`04:19.15`	`Xenguy`	`EdLin: like d0ze, right`
`04:19.22`	`tkooda`	`anyone know of anything else that can put just raw text on an X display?`
`04:19.25`	`TwistedEmotions`	`That reminds me.. I went to my schools CS lab today.. 100 computers.. all duel screens... linux... it was.. nice.`
`04:19.33`	`EdLin`	`tkooda: root-tail I just mentioned, it does exactly that`
`04:19.33`	`gravity`	`Oh... you don't want code samples. I don't know then.`
`04:19.37`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Of course it was Fedora I think.. but whatever.`
`04:19.53`	`Xenguy`	`TwistedEmotions: still linux :-)`
`04:19.54`	`TwistedEmotions`	`It was still nice to have two screens to work with`
`04:20.02`	`debian`	`I just KDE just because it has konsole. :P`
`04:20.03`	`Phated`	`tkooda: Check out gdesklets, then, it doesn't need Gnome to run and there's a large range of plugins to use for it, also it can be semi-transparent, should you wish :)`
`04:20.04`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Xenguy, Agreed`
`04:20.20`	`EdLin`	`yeah, konsole and the network integration are nice`
`04:20.30`	`thechris`	`that is the one thing i do like in linux. i don't have to use gnome. or really kde for that matter. if i like or dislike it, i can choose to use or not use it.`
`04:20.32`	`Xenguy`	`debian: gnome-terminal is the same over gnome way`
`04:20.40`	`amphi`	`tkooda: xosd ?`
`04:20.43`	`tkooda`	`EdLin, root-tail sounds like it'll display a log file on the root window. I want to display only a few characters on top of another app (video that's already playing; the "root" window won't be seen)`
`04:20.44`	`Phated`	`Openboxxxxx.`
`04:20.47`	`Xenguy`	`thechris: or use something else, yes`
`04:20.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`What is the biggest opensource linux distrib?`
`04:21.00`	`gravity`	`tkooda: You may have to write this app yourself...`
`04:21.01`	`odla`	`TwistedEmotions: ?`
`04:21.06`	`Xenguy`	`TwistedEmotions: debian AFAIK`
`04:21.14`	`odla`	`you mean most packages?`
`04:21.24`	`EdLin`	`TwistedEmotions: what do you mean by "big"? If you mean largest repository - its Debian`
`04:21.26`	`tkooda`	`amphi, xosd looks like it might work, thanks!`
`04:21.28`	`Phated`	`Most funding, most publicity?`
`04:21.32`	`amphi`	`tkooda: cool`
`04:21.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`No.. I mean most users.. most widely used..`
`04:21.50`	`odla`	`TwistedEmotions: windows`
`04:21.51`	`amphi`	`TwistedEmotions: linspire`
`04:21.53`	`TwistedEmotions`	`XenguyAFAIK?`
`04:21.56`	`debian`	`Xenguy: I don't use gnome-terminal lately but last time I check it lacks what konsole has. No war please, just imho. :P`
`04:21.56`	`gravity`	`tkooda: No one really knows`
`04:21.56`	`Xenguy`	`TwistedEmotions: ahh, thought you meant packages`
`04:22.02`	`odla`	`amphi: really?`
`04:22.03`	`gravity`	`TwistedEmotions: No one really knows`
`04:22.07`	`Xenguy`	`TwistedEmotions: As Far As I Know`
`04:22.09`	`gravity`	`tkooda: Sorry, that was for TwistedEmotions`
`04:22.10`	`amphi`	`odla: no idea`
`04:22.11`	`EdLin`	`TwistedEmotions: it doesn't matter`
`04:22.12`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Ahh kk`
`04:22.17`	`Xenguy`	`TwistedEmotions: apt-get install wtf :-)`
`04:22.21`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I just wanted to know :D`
`04:22.32`	`odla`	`amphi: formerly lindows`
`04:22.47`	`amphi`	`TwistedEmotions: apt-get install bsdgames in fact, for wtf(6)`
`04:22.57`	`tkooda`	amphi, `osd_cat` will let me display arbitrary text floating on top of a video playing on an X display just great. thanks!
`04:23.04`	`EdLin`	`TwistedEmotions: pre-Fedora, it was Red Hat. For desktops it may be Ubuntu now, a Debian derivitive`
`04:23.05`	`TwistedEmotions`	`amphi, I seriously hole its not linspire.. that thing SUCKS`
`04:23.06`	`tkooda`	`thanks for the suggestions guys`
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`04:23.10`	`TwistedEmotions`	`*hope`
`04:23.28`	`odla`	`TwistedEmotions: why? debian is the best distro to use top down`
`04:23.33`	`EdLin`	`Of course, since Red Hat sucks...`
`04:23.35`	`amphi`	`TwistedEmotions: I'd be surprised if it was`
`04:23.38`	`gravity`	`It'd be a hard fight between Debian and RH if you count the derivatives`
`04:23.51`	`TwistedEmotions`	`odla, just curious`
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`04:24.16`	`odla`	`they should have been Red Hot`
`04:24.32`	`EdLin`	`Root Hat`
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`04:24.43`	`debian`	`people chose debian as the derivative-base because they don't have to dig those recursive license agreement :)`
`04:24.49`	`silly_girl22`	`there are many packages for ntp. which one should i get? id like to have my clock updated by ntp time servers on the web.`
`04:25.06`	`odla`	`silly_girl22: ntp ntpdate`
`04:25.15`	`Xenguy`	`silly_girl22: ntp-simple (or whatever it is called)`
`04:25.25`	`EdLin`	`silly_girl22: there are now ntp time servers "on the web"`
`04:25.30`	`EdLin`	`s/now/no/`
`04:25.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`silly_girl22, its just preference...`
`04:26.04`	`silly_girl22`	`whats the difference between all of them?`
`04:26.04`	`TwistedEmotions`	`EdLin, when did that happen btw?`
`04:26.08`	`EdLin`	`TwistedEmotions: no, its not, each one has different behavior`
`04:26.30`	`EdLin`	`TwistedEmotions: read my correction`
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`04:26.52`	`amphi`	`EdLin: yeah, I was startled by your initial announcement ;)`
`04:27.05`	`silly_girl22`	`EdLin: whats the different behaviors of them?`
`04:27.27`	`debian`	`I think the simplest one is to install ntpclient and add a single line file 'ntpclient -s -h <your nearest ntp server>' under /etc/init.d/`
`04:27.29`	`TwistedEmotions`	`silly_girl22, Looks uses shit like that.. just use ntp and ntpdate`
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`04:28.08`	`odla`	`debian: are you a bot?`
`04:28.21`	`EdLin`	`TwistedEmotions: "ntp" is what you use if you need a server, "ntp-simple" is when you don't need to do that, and she probably doesn't.`
`04:28.46`	`silly_girl22`	`TwistedEmotions: does that one come with the ntp servers or should i find them and add them to it?`
`04:28.58`	`debian`	`odla: command not found`
`04:29.11`	`odla`	`silly_girl22: aptitude install ntp ntpdate, run tzconfig, and voila you're done`
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`04:29.52`	`foxy`	`how do I change from KDE to gnome? There is no option to do this when I start an X session?`
`04:30.03`	`odla`	`foxy: do you have DM installed?`
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`04:30.27`	`odla`	`foxy: ie GDM, KDM, etc.`
`04:30.33`	`foxy`	`kdm`
`04:30.44`	`odla`	`foxy: you should be able to select it from the sessions button`
`04:30.46`	`craigevil`	`w00t Flash9 beta is out and sound works with no tweaks`
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`04:31.22`	`odla`	`craigevil: some folks in #kde haven't had such good luck, lots of segfaulting`
`04:31.48`	`craigevil`	`erally ive tried it in firefox, opera9, seamonkey, and iceweasel with no problems`
`04:31.50`	`silly_girl22`	`did my clock update?`
`04:31.56`	`silly_girl22`	`Wed Oct 18 23:31:55 CDT 2006`
`04:32.03`	`silly_girl22`	`for central time zone`
`04:32.04`	`odla`	`silly_girl22: yup that's right`
`04:32.06`	`silly_girl22`	`does anyone have the same thing?`
`04:32.19`	`odla`	`22:31 here and it's MDT`
`04:32.24`	`foxy`	`odla: in my options I have [default, previous, KDE, failsafe], but no gnome, is there something I need to install?`
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`04:32.33`	`odla`	`foxy: gnome?`
`04:32.36`	`odla`	`:)`
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`04:32.47`	`ahlfors`	`craigevil, did you manage to install it without disrupting the flash 7 player? I'd want an easy downgrade if the flash 9 beta causes problems`
`04:33.06`	`odla`	`craigevil: i think they were having problems with konqueror`
`04:33.24`	`craigevil`	`all i did was copy the new plugin and delete the old one and the flashplayer.xpt file`
`04:33.26`	`silly_girl22`	`debians got its own ntp servers. cool`
`04:33.42`	`craigevil`	`havent tried it yet in konqueror`
`04:33.51`	`foxy`	`odla, hm.. ok, I thought debian installed it automagically, but apt-get is now busy :)`
`04:34.07`	`odla`	`foxy: it does if you select it in tasksel`
`04:34.09`	`ahlfors`	`craigevil, where did you get it anyway? Adobe's server keeps trying to give me version 7`
`04:34.20`	`craigevil`	`http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html`
`04:35.05`	`ahlfors`	`craigevil, cool thanks`
`04:36.08`	`pickcoder`	`I'm trying to access a debian machine through openvpn and for some reason I can't get to it`
`04:36.51`	`debian`	`pickcoder: single or multiple connection one?`
`04:36.54`	`craigevil`	`ahlfors just tried it in Konqueror to watch Jericho clip on Yahoo tv no problems`
`04:37.21`	`pickcoder`	`I'm routing through a gateway and pushing the local network to the client`
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`04:38.02`	`pickcoder`	`hrm`
`04:38.10`	`pickcoder`	`route shows "localnet" gateway via *`
`04:38.17`	`pickcoder`	`wth is "localnet"`
`04:39.00`	`pickcoder`	`it should be 192.168.0.0 masked`
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`04:40.40`	`Varange`	`hi all`
`04:41.20`	`Varange`	`I'm looking for a nice SQL editor tool that I can connect to an MSSQLServer and run queries?`
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`04:41.29`	`Varange`	`Does anyone know of one?`
`04:42.26`	`zinx`	`the license on that flashplayer9 is horrific`
`04:42.42`	`zinx`	`it says adobe can audit you for compliance at your expense`
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`04:43.30`	`Varange`	`zinx, lol, that'll learn em!`
`04:43.49`	`amphi`	`zinx: compliance with what?`
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`04:43.59`	`zinx`	`amphi: the license, of course`
`04:44.16`	`amphi`	`zinx: what is forbidden by the license?`
`04:44.30`	`marcrosoft`	`im trying to find out why dbus/hal doesn't start on boot... but it will start manually once in gnome via /etc/init.d/dbus start`
`04:44.35`	`marcrosoft`	`anyone have any ideas`
`04:44.45`	`pickcoder`	`well that wasn't it`
`04:44.56`	`zinx`	`amphi: part 5 for example says you have to "provide Adobe comments, review, evaluation, analysis, suggestions, or other feedback regarding your use of the software program (“Program Comments”)."`
`04:45.17`	`pickcoder`	`I have a nearly identical machine next to it that I can get to`
`04:45.20`	`amphi`	`zinx: 'other feedback' would do ;)`
`04:45.23`	`odla`	`do i need a special package to play mp3s in amarok?`
`04:45.26`	`pickcoder`	`routes are the same now`
`04:45.38`	`zinx`	`amphi: and says that such "feedback" will be consider voluntary, even though it's required by the license`
`04:45.42`	`zinx`	`erh, considered`
`04:45.46`	`pickcoder`	`oh wait..`
`04:46.02`	`pickcoder`	`gah.. freaking gw is going out through another machine`
`04:46.04`	`PumpkinPie`	`raid5 requires 3 or more drives so if 1 drive fails does the array become raid0?`
`04:46.10`	`zinx`	`i wouldn't touch flash player 9 with a ten foot pole`
`04:46.19`	`amphi`	`zinx: how generous - I doubt something so preposterous could be binding, except perhaps in US states that signed up to UCITA`
`04:46.44`	`zinx`	`amphi: I live in the US.`
`04:46.54`	`amphi`	`zinx: nice ;)`
`04:47.11`	`amphi`	`zinx: 'fuck off' would count as 'other feedback' IMHO`
`04:47.23`	`zinx`	`amphi: that's for Adobe to decide`
`04:47.47`	`zinx`	`amphi: and the license as a whole is pretty insane`
`04:47.59`	`amphi`	`zinx: it says that, they decide what constitutes 'other feedback'?`
`04:48.21`	`amphi`	`zinx: I don't doubt the license's absurdity`
`04:49.29`	`zinx`	`amphi: it says "You must evaluate the Software, report any problems with the Software to Adobe, and respond to Adobe's questions regarding your and your employees’ evaluation and use of the Software."`
`04:49.58`	`amphi`	`zinx: 'must', eh? how charming`
`04:50.04`	`zinx`	`amphi: indeed`
`04:50.18`	`zinx`	`amphi: you can read the whole thing at http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/flashplayer.html by the way`
`04:50.20`	`amphi`	`zinx: "it doesn't work" ;)`
`04:50.23`	`marcrosoft`	`anyone wanna help me with my dbus/hal problem :)`
`04:50.48`	`amphi`	`zinx: "I tried it with w3m to no avail" and so on`
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`04:51.56`	`odla`	`!bts`
`04:51.57`	`dpkg`	`i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges`
`04:52.12`	`pickcoder`	`anything can be fixed with a static route....`
`04:52.16`	`pickcoder`	`<g>`
`04:52.28`	`zinx`	`amphi: ah`
`04:52.48`	`amphi`	`zinx: You may not make or distribute copies of the Software, or electronically transfer the Software from one computer to another or over a network" - you must download it from them for each machine?`
`04:54.04`	`chemaja`	`amphi: and you legally can't network backup a filesystem with that on it?`
`04:54.23`	`chemaja`	`amphi: i actually read that bit in their EULA a while ago, it freaked me out :D`
`04:54.49`	`odla`	`anyone have failures downloading bug reports with apt-listbugs?`
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`04:55.08`	`amphi`	`zinx: "(Outside of the USA) Consumer End Users Only", heh, it seems there are no "statutory rights of a consumer" in .us ;)`
`04:55.43`	`amphi`	`chemaja: install it to /tmp ;)`
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`04:56.19`	`pickcoder`	`PumpkinPie: no.. it becomes a degraded parity array`
`04:56.46`	`pickcoder`	`PumpkinPie: if you want true mirroring, you need RAID0 or RAID10`
`04:57.06`	`marcrosoft`	`not to be a troll, but why would you pick debian over ubuntu?...`
`04:57.19`	`zinx`	`amphi: consumers get reamed in the US`
`04:57.51`	`pickcoder`	`marcrosoft: I choose Debian because I mostly run servers`
`04:58.29`	`amphi`	`zinx: appeal to your king for justice ;)`
`04:59.01`	`odla`	`marcrosoft: lots of reasons. DFSG, better support, rock solid stability, testing and unstable work pretty good for desktop if you know what you're doing`
`04:59.17`	`marcrosoft`	`pickcoder, servers are more stable eaiser to mantain?`
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`04:59.33`	`odla`	`wtf blind golfers?`
`04:59.40`	`marcrosoft`	`odla, what is DFSG`
`04:59.40`	`Phated`	`Sound golfing?`
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`05:00.29`	`odla`	`!dfsg`
`05:00.30`	`dpkg`	`hmm... dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines`
`05:00.52`	`marcrosoft`	`everything free?`
`05:00.56`	`marcrosoft`	`basically?`
`05:01.30`	`odla`	`marcrosoft: read the document it's not very long`
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`05:02.50`	`marcrosoft`	`odla, so they are good for servers? easy to maintain and such`
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`05:03.54`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: what up.. (=`
`05:04.24`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: i thought you were still living in davis.`
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`05:15.35`	`levander`	`Looking for good into to how to pass boot arguments. I'm using grub. Anybody got a link for me?`
`05:16.13`	`levander`	`looking for good intro* I meant to say`
`05:17.54`	`Varange`	`nothing on the GRUB website?`
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`05:18.37`	`Miesco`	`What program should I use in Gnome to RIP CD's to mp3 files?`
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`05:21.16`	`k-man_`	`Miesco, i found that grip was good some years ago`
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`05:21.43`	`k-man_`	`Miesco, also amarok might be of interest to you`
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`05:22.25`	Sebboh`	`the kernel config (2.6.17) says that it is dangerous to not use the ACPI "thermal zone" features... How can this be true? My laptop can run MS-DOS without danger... What's up here?`
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`05:25.30`	`Miesco`	`k-man_: Wait I think I love sound-juicer`
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`05:26.44`	`k-man_`	`ooh, whats that?`
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`05:27.35`	Sebboh`	`Can I build a kernel with neither ACPI nor APM? Do I need these?`
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`05:30.54`	`Phated`	`!info sound-juicer`
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`05:31.03`	`dpkg`	`sound-juicer: (GNOME 2 CD Ripper), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 697 kB, Installed size: 2648 kB`
`05:31.07`	`Phated`	`Cor.`
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`05:37.55`	`munga`	`I'm using stable. how can I download the source code of a package in unstable if I don't have access to /etc/apt/sources.list ?`
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`05:41.20`	`Miesco`	`How come I got a .flac files from the ripper?`
`05:41.42`	`k-man_`	`because it defaults to .flac?`
`05:41.50`	`k-man_`	`lossless compression`
`05:43.52`	`Miesco`	`k-man_: How do I get mp3 files?`
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`05:44.03`	`k-man_`	`no idea`
`05:44.04`	`k-man_`	`sorry`
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`05:44.30`	`JeffH`	`any portable music players play flac files?`
`05:44.39`	`EdLin`	`Miesco: you may need "lame", which is in the debian-multimedia repository due to patent issues`
`05:45.01`	`EdLin`	`JeffH: some play .oggs, which he probably can make too.`
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`05:45.28`	`JeffH`	`so what's the point of .flac if no portable players play it?`
`05:45.44`	`EdLin`	`JeffH: playing it on your computer?`
`05:45.50`	`Miesco`	`EdLin: I have lame`
`05:45.50`	`k-man_`	`yeah`
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`05:46.15`	`k-man_`	`Miesco, you probably have to make some sort of mp3 profile in sound-juicer`
`05:46.36`	`EdLin`	`!ogg`
`05:46.36`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, ogg is a wrapper format, much like avi, which is designed to be streamable and accept a variety of multimedia codecs. It is a Xiph project, patent free and open. Currently, the only widely used codec for Ogg is Vorbis, an audio codec; ask me about vorbis for more information. Ogg files generally end in .ogg. ask me about xiph`
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`05:48.32`	`Miesco`	`k-man_: Do you know a program that already uses lame?`
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`05:51.07`	`levander`	`What's the X server program for moving the entire root window around on the screen?`
`05:51.24`	`levander`	`I forgot what it's called.`
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`05:52.08`	`liable`	`how can you sync the audio on google.video properly??`
`05:52.25`	`niles`	`hi`
`05:52.38`	`levander`	`liable: i'd ask in the channel that supports whatever video player you're using`
`05:52.46`	`levander`	`liable: maybe more knowledgable people there`
`05:52.56`	`niles`	`is there a one liner for SiS video cards?`
`05:53.01`	`liable`	`levander: isnt it flash based or something?`
`05:53.02`	`niles`	`i have an old one`
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`05:53.46`	`levander`	`liable: oh yeah, you're right`
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`05:54.04`	`levander`	`liable: is it a bandwidth problem maybe? where the video is just being downloaded too slowly?`
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`05:54.24`	`levander`	`liable: one option is to email macromedia, (or now adobe) and see if they help`
`05:54.24`	`liable`	`levander: nah, entire video is downloaded`
`05:54.32`	`levander`	`liable: odd`
`05:54.44`	`levander`	`wish i could help more, but i don't even have a sound card in my debian box`
`05:54.52`	`levander`	`i do all multimedia on windows, is just easier`
`05:55.08`	`exobyte`	`I have a program that uses X, but X isn't installed. I ssh in, but it can't find the x server. Yes, I did ssh -X and x11 forwarding is enabled. Is there some package I need to do this?`
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`05:55.40`	`levander`	`exobyte: what does "echo $DISPLAY" output?`
`05:56.13`	`exobyte`	`levander: \n`
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`05:56.54`	`levander`	`exobyte: "export DISPLAY=<machine name>:0" so that the remove x client finds the x server`
`05:57.10`	`levander`	`<machine name> is the name of the machine you're sitting at that has the x server running on it`
`05:57.17`	`exobyte`	`levander: any reason that didn't happen automatically?`
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`05:57.48`	`levander`	`exobyte: sometimes the ssh client does it automatically, it's dependent upon the ssh client`
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`05:58.56`	`exobyte`	`levander: no luck. Now it can't connect to server x.x.x.x:0`
`05:59.25`	`deadcat`	`when i build my kernel i missed 1 module. can i rebuild that one? without redoing the entire thing? i am using the uninorth-agp module.`
`05:59.43`	`exobyte`	`deadcat: normally, yeah`
`05:59.47`	`exobyte`	`deadcat: but it depends`
`05:59.59`	`exobyte`	`deadcat: try :)`
`06:00.03`	`liable`	`not if you used krpg afaik`
`06:00.06`	`deadcat`	`exobyte: how? make modules?`
`06:00.15`	`exobyte`	`which kernel version?`
`06:00.37`	`deadcat`	`exobyte: hmm. nevermind i make mrproper on it already.. unless all i need is the .config file`
`06:00.43`	`levander`	`exobyte: "xhost +" on the machine the x server is running on`
`06:00.47`	`deadcat`	`exobyte: 2.6.17`
`06:01.02`	Sebboh`	`you have to set DISPLAY before using xhost +`
`06:01.16`	`deadcat`	`i tried the latest kernel but when i dpkg -i .deb it fails )= no clue why`
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`06:01.36`	`exobyte`	`deadcat: if it was 2.4.x, I might know, but I just started using 2.6. sorry`
`06:01.55`	`deadcat`	`exobyte: damn. 2.4 is old`
`06:02.14`	`exobyte`	`levander: access control disabled`
`06:02.32`	`deadcat`	`i get this error: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/kernel.error when i dpkg -i on my newly compiled kernel. anyone can help out would be appreciated.`
`06:02.52`	`levander`	`exobyte: was already disabled, or you're trying it now?`
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`06:03.21`	`PumpkinPie`	`can a raid5 with 4 drives withstand 2 drive failures (not at the same time) ?`
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`06:04.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`PumpkinPie: depends how it's set up`
`06:04.23`	`exobyte`	`levander: the command said it's disabled. I didn't change anything`
`06:04.31`	`zanpakuto`	`hi, seems python2.3 is the default python version for sarge. Is it possible to set this to python2.4 using update-alternatives?`
`06:04.43`	`PumpkinPie`	`dondelelcaro: what 'configuration' does it depend on ?`
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`06:04.49`	`levander`	`exobyte: oh, now that access control is disabled on that x server, retry connecting to it from the remote machine with an xclient`
`06:04.49`	`deadcat`	`dondelelcaro: i still dont know what the problem is with dpkg -i on the kernel.`
`06:05.13`	`dondelelcaro`	`zanpakuto: no; you do it by upgrading the python package to 2.4`
`06:05.25`	`exobyte`	`levander: sweet... thank you`
`06:05.33`	`exobyte`	`levander: and I'm glad I only need this once`
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`06:06.03`	`levander`	`exobyte: "xhost +" lets all computers on the network connect, "xhost +<machine name>" lets only that machine connect (I think that's the syntax)`
`06:06.12`	`exobyte`	`ahh`
`06:06.23`	`dondelelcaro`	`egads. do not use xhost +`
`06:06.24`	`levander`	`exobyte: only need it once?`
`06:06.32`	`exobyte`	`levander: I'm setting up mythtv`
`06:06.37`	`zanpakuto`	`dondelelcaro, sorry for not being clear. I have already installed python2.4 but typing python still runs 2.3 the symlink python points to python2.3 .`
`06:06.39`	`dondelelcaro`	`don't use xhost +foohost; use ssh -X.`
`06:06.53`	`exobyte`	`dondelelcaro: tried that`
`06:06.55`	`exobyte`	`no luck`
`06:06.57`	`dondelelcaro`	`zanpakuto: right, you need to run python2.4 explicitely in the shebang.`
`06:07.02`	`dondelelcaro`	`exobyte: then fix it`
`06:07.06`	`dondelelcaro`	`!sshx`
`06:07.07`	`dpkg`	`well, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding on the remote server (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html`
`06:07.15`	`levander`	`dondelelcaro: he did that, didn't work for some reason`
`06:07.23`	`dondelelcaro`	`levander: then fix it; don't use xhost.`
`06:07.38`	`dondelelcaro`	`!xhost`
`06:07.38`	`dpkg`	`from memory, xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients \| grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su`
`06:07.52`	`exobyte`	`dondelelcaro: thnaks. I was missing xbase-clients`
`06:07.52`	`zanpakuto`	`dondelelcaro, ok. thanks :)`
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`06:09.46`	`levander`	`What's the name of the X program that lets you resize the root window on your desktop?`
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`06:10.38`	`levander`	`Is there any Linux program that will check my hard disk for errors? Or, do I have to download my manufacturers program?`
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`06:11.14`	`friederich09`	`join trados`
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`06:12.00`	Sebboh`	`people are so damned full of themselves. If I want to use X over TCP/IP, that's my business.`
`06:12.49`	`amphi`	`levander: xrandr and smartmontools perhaps`
`06:12.54`	Sebboh`	`I use it every day, from 192.168.1.3 to 192.168.1.4. =P It's NOT a security risk.`
`06:13.13`	`amphi`	Sebboh`: you're emboldening the terrorists with your reckless behaviour
`06:13.18`	Sebboh`	`=)`
`06:13.30`	Sebboh`	`Why do I hate America?`
`06:13.33`	Sebboh`	`;)`
`06:13.34`	`zanpakuto`	`hmm. this one works :) sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python2.4 10`
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`06:13.55`	`sparr`	`I would like to get java working in firefox in debian. I have /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so and it looks to be all good, but the plugin doesnt work`
`06:13.56`	`amphi`	Sebboh`: because debian started there?
`06:14.10`	Sebboh`	`Debian started in Germany?`
`06:14.25`	Sebboh`	`sparr, are you the same sparr that knows me?`
`06:15.13`	`sparr`	Sebboh`: there can be only one!
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`06:15.43`	Sebboh`	`O_o`
`06:15.57`	Sebboh`	`Do you like to ask difficult questions in #help?`
`06:16.47`	`sparr`	`i only ask difficult questions. if they were easy i wouldnt be asking.`
`06:17.14`	Sebboh`	`=) Hey, dude.`
`06:17.21`	Sebboh`	`Small net, huh.`
`06:17.42`	`sparr`	`aye`
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`06:18.14`	`sparr`	`guess java can wait til tomorrow... this was the last thing i wanted to read online before i went to sleep`
`06:18.20`	`sparr`	`but if its gonna take this long, not worth it`
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`06:21.40`	`deadcat`	`is this new? exportfs: /etc/exports [2]: Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export`
`06:21.45`	`deadcat`	`Twistedemo: what up baby`
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`06:23.36`	`deadcat`	`Twistedemo: i have this bike: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/trek520_3529.jpg`
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`06:31.46`	`miika`	`hi`
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`06:33.41`	`miika`	`i have few entries on my dpkg -database that are not correct... how to rebuild that database or remove those incorrect entries`
`06:33.45`	`miika`	`?`
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`06:34.51`	`deadcat`	`mhall: tango down!`
`06:34.53`	`mhall`	`miika: In what manner did you view the database?`
`06:35.00`	`mhall`	`miika: And which errors dig you find?`
`06:35.35`	`miika`	`well, while using apt-get it reports that in database is mark for some files that doesn't exist`
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`06:36.13`	`mhall`	`deadcat: I was scanning the brain port... most of them returned ICMP Host unreachable error.`
`06:36.13`	`dimir`	`What mark? Mark inditating they were removed, perhaps?`
`06:36.27`	`mhall`	`miika: That's not necessarily an error.`
`06:36.33`	`deadcat`	`hahah`
`06:36.38`	`mhall`	`miika: The remove action does not do what most people think it does.`
`06:37.01`	`mhall`	`miika: It removes the binaries but preserves the config. files in case you reinstall.`
`06:37.08`	`mhall`	`miika: Try dpkg --get-selections \| grep deinstall`
`06:37.17`	`mhall`	`miika: That will provide a list of the packages in this state`
`06:37.44`	`mhall`	`miika: dpkg --get-selections \| grep deinstall \| awk '{ print $1; }' \| sudo xargs aptitude -y --purge will purge them`
`06:38.03`	`mhall`	`miika: Purge is the name for the process of removing all of the package including the config files.`
`06:38.59`	`mhall`	`deadcat: =)`
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`06:42.41`	`xcormera`	`yo`
`06:43.26`	`miika`	`mhall: and then dpkg --get-selections \| grep deinstall should'n report them in state of "deinstall" any more ?`
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`06:44.08`	`Guerin`	`miika: look at dpkg -l`
`06:45.48`	`miika`	`Guerin: what means rc in front of package ?`
`06:46.08`	`Guerin`	`miika: the key is at the top of all dpkg -l output`
`06:46.13`	`Guerin`	`miika: you could also rtfm`
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`06:46.53`	`miika`	`Guerin: please do not start that rtfm-thing... i just used my yesturday wit google and man-pages :)`
`06:47.22`	`Guerin`	`but really - the informaton you seek is RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU`
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`06:48.43`	`mhall`	`miika: toughen up, i gave you more than enough info to figure this out`
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`06:49.23`	`mhall`	`miika: i told you what i use to manage it all on my very own system so i can guarantee it works`
`06:49.36`	`miika`	`k :)`
`06:49.38`	`miika`	`ty`
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`06:52.22`	`karsten`	`Guerin: I just checked, and rtfm isn't installed on my system.`
`06:52.29`	`karsten`	`Guerin: Where could I find out how to install it?`
`06:53.05`	`stew`	`when i was in college the unix machines actually had a rtfm binary`
`06:53.10`	`Guerin`	`!fgi karsten rtfm+n00b`
`06:53.10`	`dpkg`	`karsten: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=rtfm+n00b`
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`06:54.16`	`karsten`	`Guerin: First hit: http://www.cultclassicts.com/cgi-bin/shirt.cgi/3616005339/cultclassicts/1388279`
`06:54.45`	`karsten`	`Guerin: Hrm. That would make a great vanity plate.`
`06:55.15`	`Guerin`	`heh`
`06:55.26`	`karsten`	`Guerin: ... with one less letter.`
`06:55.34`	`karsten`	`(most US plates have 7 chars).`
`06:55.41`	`Guerin`	`karsten: i was wondering if US plates had 8 letters`
`06:55.46`	`Guerin`	`ours have 7 too`
`06:56.17`	`miika`	`mhall: i figured that out, everything is now ok :)`
`06:56.24`	`miika`	`mhall: ty for help :)`
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`06:59.39`	`Dolo280`	`good morning`
`06:59.45`	`Dolo280`	`germans here?`
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`07:00.10`	`stew`	`!de`
`07:00.11`	`dpkg`	`de is probably Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)`
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`07:11.11`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`07:11.12`	`dpkg`	`from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
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`07:13.05`	`mhall`	`Well... time to force myself to write a C# application. w00t.`
`07:13.15`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: nooo , try objective-c`
`07:13.37`	`snadge-w`	`is anyone here aware of any efforts to have the Cell processor supported in Debian? and if so.. if this will include the Playstation 3 thats soon to be released?`
`07:13.45`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: blecch`
`07:13.49`	`cydork`	`eww c# :P`
`07:13.57`	`mhall`	`cydork: it's not just for microsoft anymore`
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`07:15.31`	`cydork`	`mhall: mono?`
`07:15.49`	`Guerin`	`snadge-w: debian doens't support gaming consoles`
`07:16.03`	`Guerin`	`snadge-w: you might want to talk to the people who made xebian and such.`
`07:16.06`	`mhall`	`cydork: yeah`
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`07:16.29`	`mhall`	`snadge-w: better see what sony's willing to cook up for linux support`
`07:16.35`	`Guerin`	`yeah, right`
`07:16.37`	`mhall`	`snadge-w: knowing them, they'll be lame about it somehow`
`07:16.45`	`snadge-w`	`Guerin: understood, however cell is a generic architecture that is supported by linux.. and there exists hardware outside the playstation, eg Blade servers`
`07:16.46`	`mhall`	`snadge-w: like, using lots of proprietary crap modules`
`07:16.46`	`Guerin`	`because sony can't even make laptops which run linux properly`
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`07:16.59`	`tarzeau`	`sony makes playstation. good enough`
`07:17.01`	`Guerin`	`snadge-w: oh, ok.`
`07:17.06`	`mhall`	`Guerin: dude they can't make anything which follows any standard properly`
`07:17.13`	`Guerin`	`sony make toys, not tools`
`07:17.27`	`Guerin`	`you could say they make toys FOR tools`
`07:17.29`	`mhall`	`snadge-w: that's neglecting the weirdness of their multimedia chips which would be essential to making that hunk of shit function`
`07:17.30`	`tarzeau`	`linux makes unix with the same limits`
`07:17.39`	`tarzeau`	`GNU create Hurd overcoming them`
`07:17.54`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: not true`
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`07:18.07`	`mutante`	`tarzeau: how much longer till i can boot it from a free BIOS?`
`07:18.08`	`snadge-w`	`well i've heard that yellow dog linux will be officially supported on the ps3, and even distributed with it.. plus you can upgrade the hard drive, plug mouse and keyboard in etc.. if thats not a computer, i dont know what is`
`07:18.12`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: you presuppose linux cannot be refactored`
`07:18.16`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: of course linux suffers what unix didn't fix`
`07:18.18`	`Guerin`	`tarzeau: not really. Lots of real unix stuff works with linux. Sony stuff only really works properly with other sony stuff`
`07:18.31`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: can and do, it's a big difference`
`07:18.33`	`Guerin`	`like their embarrasingly expensive memory schtick`
`07:18.36`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: the interface has been pushed out to the C library, everything can be and often is completely reimplemented`
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`07:18.42`	`mhall`	`Guerin: and beta and bluray and...`
`07:18.44`	`tarzeau`	`mutante: no idea, go ask #hurd`
`07:18.59`	`Guerin`	`mhall: you're following me, yeah.`
`07:19.14`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: the linux we have today is extremely different from the one linus first made`
`07:19.19`	`tarzeau`	`Guerin: i use my sony playstation with a non-sony tv device`
`07:19.26`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: true`
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`07:19.30`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: none of the old stuff would even run right, this is good, it means there was progress`
`07:19.42`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: but the limits that were known, 10 years ago by unix, still exist today in linux`
`07:19.50`	`snadge-w`	`if i can run a linux desktop on a ps3.. i will buy one, they're pretty awesome.. im just not sure if I will like Yellow Dog Linux.. it doesnt sound very "cool"`
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`07:19.54`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: the POSIX C library is probably one of the world's greatest programming ideas ever, so far`
`07:20.00`	`Guerin`	`tarzeau: that's about as far as it goes. And being able to burn non-sony cds in a sony cd burner, though they have that fixed for bluray`
`07:20.05`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: progress was there definitely, i just say there's a lot more that can progress`
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`07:20.13`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: i really don't think there are many limits, especially not compared with other OSes`
`07:20.32`	`Guerin`	`snadge-w: ydl's biggest problem is that it's based on redhat`
`07:20.37`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: IBM has it running right on P5/595 and zSeries, those are pretty powerful`
`07:20.57`	`snadge-w`	`if i could run debian, or ubuntu on a ps3.. then no problem.. all i really want to know is if there are people out there, who wish to do this.. and its not just me, or im crazy etc`
`07:21.06`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: yet it still runs pretty well on your piece of shit desktop, and between all of them, the code will run with just a recompile, if you wrote it endian safe`
`07:21.58`	`snadge-w`	`Guerin: i agree completely.. i mean.. they're including E17 as the default window manager?? egads.. no!`
`07:22.11`	`Guerin`	`default`
`07:22.17`	`Guerin`	`ye gods`
`07:22.18`	`cydork`	`snadge-w: e17??`
`07:22.28`	`Guerin`	`that reminds me, I need to install that shit`
`07:22.31`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: i was thinking removable devices, and ls * in a directory with 100000 files`
`07:22.40`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: ls * could be refactored`
`07:22.45`	`Guerin`	`!e17`
`07:22.45`	`dpkg`	`Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17`
`07:22.49`	`Guerin`	`heh`
`07:22.49`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: i wish it was`
`07:22.51`	`cydork`	`hehe`
`07:22.53`	`Guerin`	`!dr17`
`07:22.53`	`dpkg`	`[DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/`
`07:22.58`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: opendir() readdir() and closedir() are VERY flexible`
`07:23.17`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: you can return entries in completely arbitrary order, so you're free to cache and rewrite the FS however you'd want`
`07:23.23`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: there's a few more , try grep -r LIMIT /usr/include`
`07:23.26`	`snadge-w`	`enlightenment 17.. even the guys developing it say its not ready yet.. and yet Terrasoft (makers of YDL) think its appropriate.. shrugs`
`07:23.31`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: or MAX`
`07:23.47`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: that's the fault of C, other languages don't have that problem`
`07:23.50`	`cydork`	`snadge-w: they are developing since 2002 afaik :P`
`07:23.54`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: that's why they invented OOP`
`07:23.57`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: sure i can fix stuff for myself. but it's not that easy to fix stuff for all of them`
`07:24.06`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: i disagree`
`07:24.18`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: GNU wrote many tools without such limits, in C`
`07:24.24`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: just because C's your base language, doesn't mean it can't be used as a platform for other higher level languages`
`07:24.34`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: i thought you were talking about the numeric types`
`07:24.55`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: no i meant artiifical limits put by developers`
`07:25.01`	`snadge-w`	`so how is the powerpc port of debian going.. still alive? does anyone think that cell could possibly rekindle interest in this platform?`
`07:25.01`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: not the language`
`07:25.12`	`tarzeau`	`snadge-w: try #debianppc`
`07:25.17`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: they are caused by the language`
`07:25.35`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: i agree with you, C causes people to think in terms of static variables with limited sizes`
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`07:25.46`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: but nothing about C mandates it has to be done this way`
`07:25.52`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: true`
`07:26.05`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: it supports variadic stack, and dynamic memory, and even RT-safe garbage collection if you want to implement it`
`07:26.10`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: some people start to write tools of the next decade of years with objective-c :)`
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`07:26.28`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: like also supporint UTF(8 or 16) properly`
`07:26.30`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: in fact, Sun made an RT-safe garbage collection library they use for some of their kernel dynamic structures`
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`07:27.02`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: unicode's pretty easy if you do UTF-8 or UTF-32`
`07:27.29`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: the thing i've learned about C is, it's good for implementing things but i don't think it's suited to everyday programming`
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`07:27.45`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: the other day i had to write a trivial binary file processor in C and it was a pain`
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`07:28.11`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: it's amazing how much it can complicate things, but it's also amazing how stable it is, and how well it works`
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`07:28.24`	`mhall`	`but it's not something you just want to fuck around with`
`07:28.33`	`mhall`	`you pretty much have to go big or go home if you use C`
`07:28.40`	`mhall`	`that's the opinion i have developed`
`07:29.02`	`mhall`	`but, it sure is beautiful if you do it right, things that take 30 levels of function calls in Java, C can do in less than 6`
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`07:33.12`	`Guerin`	`well, dr17 installs and looks as shiny as ever`
`07:33.20`	`Guerin`	`now to see if it's horribly broken`
`07:33.25`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: fuuuulllll ack about java`
`07:35.54`	`mhall`	`yeah, try stacktracing any simple operation in Java`
`07:35.58`	`mhall`	`YOIKS`
`07:38.13`	`beardy`	`Is it easy to get mutt use another color for the top and bottom bars, and if so, how?`
`07:38.20`	`beardy`	`+to`
`07:38.27`	`tarzeau`	`beardy: yes, #mutt`
`07:38.46`	`beardy`	`tarzeau: I'll hold you for that "yes".`
`07:39.32`	`tarzeau`	`beardy: the color is set somewhere, if it requires a recompile of the source or not is another question`
`07:39.52`	`beardy`	`tarzeau: That falls, in this case, under "not easy".`
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`07:40.00`	`tarzeau`	`beardy: i disagree`
`07:40.04`	`beardy`	`tarzeau: And not worth it.`
`07:40.26`	`beardy`	`tarzeau: On a machine where I�m not root, I consider it be unecessary hassle.`
`07:40.34`	`tarzeau`	`beardy: i disagree`
`07:40.38`	`beardy`	`tarzeau: Feel free.`
`07:40.43`	`tarzeau`	`beardy: many computer users are not root`
`07:41.05`	`tarzeau`	`beardy: just because you have the luxury to have so doesn't mean you can consider it be a hassle`
`07:41.10`	`mhall`	`beardy: Apparently quite simple.`
`07:41.16`	`jarw`	`beardy - can do in your .muttrc file using color commands`
`07:41.22`	`mhall`	`beardy: If you google mutt colors you'll see several working conf files`
`07:41.24`	`tarzeau`	`it can be a hassle when some software developers never have seen anything else but this luxury`
`07:41.27`	`beardy`	`tarzeau: Heard of "in this case" or "fuck it, I'm not that despereate for other colors".`
`07:41.33`	`mhall`	`beardy: color hdrdefault green default for example`
`07:41.34`	`beardy`	`?`
`07:41.34`	vin`	`Guerin: cvs install?`
`07:41.36`	`tarzeau`	`and write their code so bad and ugly that a user can't rebuilt it for himself`
`07:41.59`	`Guerin`	vin`: from the site listed above
`07:42.00`	`beardy`	`mhall: Ah..`
`07:42.13`	`mhall`	`beardy: should be a 10 minute job`
`07:42.38`	`karsten`	`beardy: actually, if you install mutt, you'll have some examples under /usr/share/doc/mutt`
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`07:43.10`	`mhall`	`beardy: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-3.html#ss3.7`
`07:43.27`	`beardy`	`dpkg: mutt color is <reply> Read 'man muttrc', search for color`
`07:43.27`	`dpkg`	`okay, beardy`
`07:43.49`	`beardy`	`Thanks guys.`
`07:43.59`	`karsten`	`beardy: color status <foreground> <background>`
`07:44.00`	`mhall`	`dpkg, mutt color is also http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-3.html#ss3.7`
`07:44.00`	`dpkg`	`mhall: okay`
`07:44.34`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: i haven't seen too much open source i couldn't get to build with some thought`
`07:44.44`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: though i'm the first to admit, it can be a big pain in the ass`
`07:44.51`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: now changing the code`
`07:44.57`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: that is a motherfucker for sure`
`07:45.04`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: i have seen many of them be inconsistent, requiring manual intervention and fixing of paths`
`07:45.19`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: platform independent C code is a bitch. too many shitty preprocessor defines`
`07:45.21`	Sebboh`	`changing good code is easier than compiling some really bad code. ;)`
`07:45.37`	`mhall`	Sebboh`: until you have to get the preprocessor defines to work right
`07:45.48`	`mhall`	Sebboh`: the macro editor, while amazing, is much overused
`07:45.48`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: just look at how linux has paths and freebsd. windows makes it fun`
`07:46.00`	`tarzeau`	Sebboh`: how true
`07:46.03`	`mhall`	`gah don't get me started on windows`
`07:46.22`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: i've packaged a few games that were written on and for windows`
`07:46.40`	`tarzeau`	`mhall: look at supertransball2 and mazeofgalious for example (the debian diff gz)`
`07:46.40`	`karsten`	`beardy: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4118`
`07:46.44`	`beardy`	`tarzeau: And ported them, which ones?`
`07:46.46`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: i don't want to know`
`07:46.47`	`karsten`	`beardy: ... for settings I'm using.`
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`07:46.59`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: that's just because windows has a shitty CLI`
`07:47.05`	`tarzeau`	`beardy: the code is good, it was just some PATH issues with demo, savegame and configuration files`
`07:47.08`	`mhall`	`tarzeau: so nobody on windows can write a decent build tool`
`07:47.12`	`karsten`	`mhall: The hell it does.`
`07:47.18`	`mhall`	`karsten: er?`
`07:47.26`	`karsten`	`mhall: ... leastways, after installing Cygwin.`
`07:47.34`	`mhall`	`karsten: that still sucks my nuts`
`07:47.35`	Sebboh`	`I remember an application called acrobot.. it was an IRC bot that provided a wordgame to chatters. I never did get the damned database functions in that thing to compile.. Luckily, the old flatfile code still existed in there, it was just commented out. =)`
`07:47.41`	`tarzeau`	`zatacka had some linux bug with opendir() that made it not work on gnu/kfreebsd`
`07:47.42`	`mhall`	`karsten: that CLI window itself is an insult to CLI`
`07:47.48`	`tarzeau`	`that was also fun to debug`
`07:47.48`	`karsten`	`mhall: The question is, will it share?`
`07:47.56`	`karsten`	`mhall: 120% agreement.`
`07:47.57`	`mhall`	`karsten: I have searched for MONTHS to replace that fucking piece of shit`
`07:48.16`	`mhall`	`karsten: Best I can come up with is, SSH to the box from the box`
`07:48.19`	`prolific`	`What's the command to columnate a body of text at a given column width?`
`07:48.20`	`mhall`	`karsten: Using PuTTY`
`07:48.24`	`karsten`	`mhall: You _can_ define the default command shell, I believe. Though this may break stuff.`
`07:48.24`	`mhall`	`karsten: how fucking moronic`
`07:48.37`	`tarzeau`	`prolific: column ?`
`07:48.42`	`mhall`	`karsten: that doesn't even matter`
`07:48.44`	`karsten`	`mhall: Um. Do you have Cygwin on the system?`
`07:48.44`	`beardy`	`karsten: karsten It still sucks, but yes, less, if you use .. whatsitacalledterm, it gets better, but then you can't AFAIK run in 80x25 textmode..`
`07:48.50`	`mhall`	`karsten: i don't care if i have to click a shortcut`
`07:48.53`	`beardy`	`karsten: Thanks, I'll try them.`
`07:48.56`	`tarzeau`	`karsten: cygwin is a buggy piece of shit`
`07:48.58`	`mhall`	`karsten: i don't mean the content of the CLI window`
`07:49.02`	`karsten`	`mhall: Oh, the shell itself? rxvt.`
`07:49.04`	`mhall`	`karsten: i mean the CLI window itself`
`07:49.09`	`beardy`	`tarzeau: Better than the native shit anyway.`
`07:49.29`	`mhall`	`karsten: rxvt doesn't work like it's supposed to on windows either; tried it`
`07:49.29`	`karsten`	`mhall: That's not a CLI, that's a terminal emulator. Yes, it also sucks.`
`07:49.29`	`beardy`	`yes, rxwt`
`07:49.29`	`karsten`	`mhall: Um. Does pretty well IMO.`
`07:49.33`	`mhall`	`karsten: putty is the only working CLI window for windows`
`07:49.45`	`tarzeau`	`beardy: why? you just say that. but it's not that bad`
`07:49.50`	`beardy`	`mhall: But it can't do 80x25 textmode..`
`07:49.57`	`tarzeau`	`beardy: i'm not talking about interface design, it's horrible`
`07:49.57`	`beardy`	`mhall: or, how, if so?`
`07:50.04`	`prolific`	`tarzeau, No, I remember a utility that will take a file with arbitrarily long lines and make a file of X lines all of Y columns wide`
`07:50.05`	`mhall`	`beardy: but, the copy/paste, and the config settings, etc. work right`
`07:50.10`	`mhall`	`beardy: and it has a full screen mode`
`07:50.14`	`beardy`	`mhall: Yep, I agree.`
`07:50.18`	`tarzeau`	`prolific: i see, i misunderstood you`
`07:50.23`	`tarzeau`	`prolific: fold ?`
`07:50.24`	`mhall`	`beardy: use the full screen mode with the multidesk utility`
`07:50.32`	`prolific`	`tarzeau, That's it! I think...let's see`
`07:50.37`	Sebboh`	`the windows console (which cmd, command.com, bash.exe, etc all run inside of,) isn't that bad. It has built-in gpm type functionality.`
`07:50.40`	`Guerin`	`mhall: rxvt and xterm are in cygwin`
`07:50.43`	`karsten`	`mhall: Oddly enough, first 'Doze system I owned for my ownself, among the first things I realized about it was that its text terminal absofuckinglutely sucked rocks.`
`07:50.58`	`beardy`	`mhall: The "powertoy" you mean? I usually just resize and/or switch windows`
`07:50.59`	`Guerin`	`the windows cmd console is appalling`
`07:51.01`	`karsten`	`prolific: fmt`
`07:51.10`	`prolific`	`tarzeau, Thank you`
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`07:51.24`	`mhall`	`beardy: http://www.techsuperior.com/products/applications.html`
`07:51.36`	`prolific`	`karsten, I was looking for fold, but that looks like it would work also`
`07:51.38`	`mhall`	`beardy: no, multidesk is FAR FAR faster and more reliable than that bullshit powertoy`
`07:51.58`	`mhall`	`Guerin: they don't work right`
`07:52.07`	`Guerin`	`mhall: they work fine`
`07:52.08`	`karsten`	`prolific: Similar tools, either should suit you.`
`07:52.09`	`Guerin`	`well`
`07:52.11`	`mhall`	`beardy: it's really bad interface, shitty docs, etc.`
`07:52.12`	`Guerin`	`rxvt does`
`07:52.23`	`mhall`	`beardy: but the tool itself is unbeatable for performance functionality and cost`
`07:52.25`	`beardy`	`mhall: I always get so pissed of when thinking about how much it sucks that such simple things is not there already..`
`07:52.42`	`mhall`	`beardy: me too but when you have to get done what you have to get done, you have to get it done`
`07:52.43`	`beardy`	`s/of/off/`
`07:52.50`	`beardy`	`mhall: True.`
`07:52.56`	`mhall`	`beardy: first two things i ordered at my new job at hp were the following`
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`07:53.46`	Sebboh`	`Oh, I just remembered that the windows console window can't be wider than 80 cols.. n/m, it sucks.`
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`07:54.03`	`karsten`	`mhall: Mind, I'll be starting a contracting assignment, friends on the inside, word that my laptop's being prepared, manager thinking I might not want XP on it. Actual quote: "Do you have any recommendations on how the T30 should be setup for him (being he's a Linux guru like yourselves, and you guys are ahhhhh... picky)?"`
`07:54.15`	`beardy`	`mhall: xoblite, or some other explorer replacement also works, but to much fiddling when you just have to get something done`
`07:54.15`	`mhall`	`beardy: http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantstorage/rack-options/usbps2/index.html and http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11349_div/11349_div.HTML tower`
`07:54.22`	`mhall`	`beardy: and then i installed debian :-)`
`07:54.32`	`mhall`	`beardy: oh yeah and a 20" LCD`
`07:55.14`	`mhall`	`karsten: yeah they set mine up only because my manager forced them`
`07:55.19`	Sebboh`	`karsten, wow, that IS a nice assignment.`
`07:55.22`	Sebboh`	`:)`
`07:55.26`	`mhall`	`karsten: virus scanner had an MSI failur and got stuck in an infinite loop`
`07:55.29`	`karsten`	Sebboh`: Well, it's got promise.
`07:55.35`	`mhall`	`karsten: so i deleted it all and redid it from scratch`
`07:55.41`	`beardy`	`mhall: :)`
`07:55.45`	Sebboh`	`you're usually lucky to get admin on the box. ;)`
`07:55.47`	`mhall`	`karsten: with mhall's homebrew security configuration`
`07:55.51`	Sebboh`	`s/admin/localadmin`
`07:55.51`	`karsten`	`mhall: "Unable to reboot system, please shut down all applications and reboot"`
`07:55.55`	`mhall`	Sebboh`: i work in an R&D lab
`07:56.05`	`beardy`	`karsten: Nice one..`
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`07:56.28`	`beardy`	`karsten: Cut the power cord with your favourite knife.`
`07:56.34`	`mhall`	`right now my job is designing developing and testing a comprehensive hardware-software network threat detection and prevention solution`
`07:56.42`	`beardy`	`(might sparkle a bit though..)`
`07:56.50`	`karsten`	`beardy: Heh. That's the Sun StarFire V40z.`
`07:56.51`	`mhall`	`so i'm setting up a huge test lab with 10gbit CX4 ethernet backplane`
`07:56.53`	`mhall`	`woohoo`
`07:57.07`	`SubStack`	`sounds fun`
`07:57.10`	`karsten`	`beardy: It has an on button, a soft-swich, and a system console.`
`07:57.22`	`mhall`	`trying to bring at least >= 100 nodes on line in the next few weeks`
`07:57.28`	`karsten`	`beardy: What it lacks, however, is any way to actually power down the unit from the front of the rack.`
`07:57.44`	`prolific`	`Power down? What's that`
`07:57.47`	`mhall`	`i've pounded every last nook and cranny in several oceans of cubicles looking for every last spare part or component that's not bolted down`
`07:58.00`	`beardy`	`karsten: hehe, so how is it done? Crawling behind the rack?`
`07:58.11`	`karsten`	`prolific: A good way to unwedge NFS.`
`07:58.16`	`karsten`	`beardy: Yep.`
`07:58.23`	`mhall`	`and i assembled them into the 'network management switch boneyard' with the following quote labeling the racks`
`07:58.31`	`karsten`	`beardy: It's actually a manufacturer FAQ. Have to disconnect the power cord.`
`07:58.36`	`mhall`	`"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to switch free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the cubeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my uplink beside the cobalt door!"`
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`07:58.40`	`karsten`	`beardy: ... or install on a managed PSU.`
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`07:58.53`	`mhall`	`(fwiw, it's based on the poem on the plaque for the statue of liberty)`
`07:59.22`	`mhall`	`karsten: ooh nice comeback`
`07:59.27`	`prolific`	`karsten, Ouch. I find a daemon restart smooths it right up. Although I dare not vouch for V3`
`07:59.51`	`karsten`	`prolific: There are times the systems weren't immediately restartable. Such as when testing PXE boots.`
`07:59.52`	`Guerin`	`well, e is still too shiny for my needs`
`08:00.07`	Sebboh`	`d'oh. I forgot to start the compile. My time wasted on irc has actually been wasted.. heh`
`08:00.21`	`Guerin`	`really, the only problem I have with evilwm is that resizing windows is a bit fiddly`
`08:00.22`	`karsten`	Sebboh`: Run two! Make up for lost time!
`08:00.55`	`prolific`	`karsten, I didn't suggest restarting the systems ;)`
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`08:02.29`	`faber3`	`is there a way to do a "slow" copy of a file ?`
`08:02.55`	`mhall`	`I have a question. Is there a good website which keeps track of whether any changes to recent 2.6.1x kernels have fixed sploits, to the point where maybe you'd better upgrade your shit ASAP?`
`08:03.22`	`mhall`	`the kernel.org changelists are mammoth`
`08:03.25`	`mhall`	`and not trivial to read`
`08:03.26`	`beardy`	`faber3: Look at 'man dd', perhaps. Or have a look at buffer`
`08:03.27`	`mhall`	`or to filter`
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`08:03.42`	`mhall`	`faber3: could use nice and cut the process priority`
`08:03.52`	`karsten`	`mhall: http://www.microsoft.com/linux/getthefacts.asp`
`08:03.54`	`mhall`	`faber3: or rsync it, with a bandwidth limit cli option`
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`08:04.03`	`karsten`	`mhall: After all, they'd have all the facts, right ;-)`
`08:04.08`	`mhall`	`karsten: 404`
`08:04.13`	`prolific`	`faber3, while read -n 1 i; do echo $i >> $outfile; sleep $timeout; done < $infile`
`08:04.15`	`Guerin`	`<heh>`
`08:04.18`	`prolific`	`Or some such`
`08:04.48`	`karsten`	`mhall: OTOH, it does seem vaguely appropriate that the facts on Linux are 404 at microsoft.com.`
`08:04.56`	`mhall`	`karsten: yeah, that's why i said it`
`08:04.58`	`prolific`	`faber3, That may be highly bash-sensitive. Use with caution...or not at all`
`08:05.03`	`faber3`	`prolific: this is 1 byte per second ?`
`08:05.16`	`prolific`	`faber3, One character per second, yeah`
`08:05.19`	`beardy`	`peterS: Awake? What was that other alternative you mentioned, besides buffer, for my question about how to cat something slowly to emulate a slow line?`
`08:05.21`	`karsten`	`prolific: That should be generic Bourne.`
`08:05.23`	`deadcat`	`dondelelcaro: postfix is broken on my system it seems.. subprocess post-isntallation script returns error exit status 139.. its been like this for a while. i have to go back to 2.2.10 the 2.3's are broken`
`08:05.38`	`faber3`	`i like the rsync idea`
`08:05.40`	`karsten`	`beardy: Isn't Awake a port of Quake to awk?`
`08:06.00`	`beardy`	`karsten: Heh, it is?`
`08:06.08`	`karsten`	`Jebus.`
`08:06.12`	`peterS`	`beardy: hmmm, I guess http://p12n.org/tmp/baud.c`
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`08:06.20`	`karsten`	`I should start selling this stuff....`
`08:06.32`	`beardy`	`peterS: Yeah, but IIRC there were another system tool that could be used?`
`08:06.34`	`karsten-makes-st`	`Feh.`
`08:06.47`	`karsten-makes-st`	`"karsten-makes-stuff-up" is apparently too long for a nick.`
`08:06.57`	`beardy`	`peterS: Maybe I recall incorrectly though..`
`08:07.15`	`peterS`	`beardy: I don't _think_ 'pv' can handle that level of precision, but pv is a great tool you should know about anyway, for other purposes`
`08:07.57`	`peterS`	`Note to self: yeah, you have a 16-char nick limit`
`08:07.59`	`prolific`	`karsten, Well, I know it's not vanilla Bourne as the -n is not supported`
`08:08.19`	`karsten`	`peterS: You're receiving some self-appreciated.`
`08:08.24`	`karsten`	`appreciation, even.`
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`08:09.00`	`beardy`	`peterS: Thanks. (I asked because of faber3's question above). I probably should know about that.. and now I do :)`
`08:09.02`	`karsten`	`prolific: Ah. Sure of that?`
`08:09.03`	`peterS`	`if you were my boss, would I be self-motivated?`
`08:09.27`	`prolific`	`karsten, Pretty pos. Just checked fbsd`
`08:09.36`	`karsten`	`peterS: Self-managed, certainly.`
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`08:10.01`	`karsten`	`prolific: GNU: has POSIXLY_CORRECT.`
`08:10.12`	`peterS`	`and maybe self-indulged, if you were a lenient boss`
`08:10.17`	`karsten`	`prolific: BSD: has WHY_CHANGE_THE_80S_WERE_FINE_FOR_US`
`08:10.33`	`beardy`	`peterS: baud.c is doing it's job perfectly btw`
`08:10.36`	`tarzeau`	`still no freenx for debian? #255850`
`08:10.40`	`peterS`	`beardy: good, good`
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`08:11.03`	`prolific`	`GNU: has WE_HAVE_ALL_CORRECT_BECAUSE_WE_HAVE_ALL_INCLUDING_TOMORROWS_STANDARD_ESPECIALLY_THAT_WHICH_IS_NOT_SUPPORTED_BY_YOU :)`
`08:11.17`	`prolific`	`that hurt`
`08:11.33`	`peterS`	`in soviet russia, POSIX supports your OS`
`08:11.46`	`prolific`	`hehe`
`08:11.57`	`beardy`	`dpkg: simulate baudrate is <reply> peterS's http://p12n.org/tmp/baud.c does the job perfectly`
`08:11.57`	`dpkg`	`okay, beardy`
`08:12.09`	`tarzeau`	`!seen damog`
`08:12.10`	`dpkg`	`damog <damog@72.232.199.18> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 36d 10h 52m 20s ago, saying: 'Baby: Good enough :)'.`
`08:12.19`	`faber3`	`where can i find documentation on the bash "read" ?`
`08:12.23`	`karsten`	`tarzeau: apparently not.`
`08:12.26`	`karsten`	`faber3: man bash; help read`
`08:12.34`	`karsten`	`faber3: ... or man builtins`
`08:12.38`	`peterS`	`faber3: bash itself has an excellent manpage. this is not typical for a gnu program, but there it is.`
`08:12.41`	`tarzeau`	`karsten: i mean it's there since 23 jun 2004. i wonder what's the problem`
`08:12.50`	`tarzeau`	`it's not obvious from the bug report`
`08:12.53`	`karsten`	`tarzeau: 'read -n' ?`
`08:13.05`	`karsten`	`tarzeau: ... or freenx?`
`08:13.10`	`tarzeau`	`karsten: freenx`
`08:13.45`	`tarzeau`	`it's hilarous how some software just never gets over the ITP state`
`08:13.49`	`faber3`	`i am trying to make profilics idea of a slow copy binary safe`
`08:14.17`	`possie`	`anyone knows a piece of documentation that explains the best practices for debian in large environments? like how to best utilize multiple mirrors etc`
`08:14.46`	`peterS`	`faber3: is there a reason not to use 'buffer'?`
`08:14.49`	`tarzeau`	`possie: multiple mirrors?`
`08:14.53`	`karsten`	`possie: ??`
`08:15.00`	`tarzeau`	`possie: what size? 10? 100? 1000? 10000 hosts? users?`
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`08:15.16`	`possie`	`tarzeau, well, i would like to have 1 mirror, which i first test if everything is working, if so i would like to push it to the production mirror`
`08:15.19`	`karsten`	`possie: I think you need to be more specific about "large" and "multiple mirrors", as well as why "large" matters.`
`08:15.19`	`beardy`	`possie: I don't know about that.. but if you have a large bunch of machines, set up your own local mirror, apt-mirror IIRC.`
`08:15.21`	`possie`	`tarzeau, 200`
`08:15.31`	`tarzeau`	`possie: we've got some docs at http://nic.phys.ethz.ch (about 160 workstations, 1000 users)`
`08:15.31`	`karsten`	`possie: ... and if you ask me, you're not large, just big-boned.`
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`08:15.42`	`tarzeau`	`possie: indeed, it's not large`
`08:15.45`	`tarzeau`	`possie: run your own mirror`
`08:15.47`	`prolific`	`peterS, Perhaps he doesn't want to link openssl`
`08:15.56`	`prolific`	`faber3, Whip up a quick C program`
`08:16.06`	`possie`	`tarzeau, but you run just one mirror?`
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`08:16.15`	`tarzeau`	`possie: yes`
`08:16.26`	`tarzeau`	`possie: ftp.ch.debian.org plenty enough, isn't it?`
`08:16.27`	`possie`	`tarzeau, and you create your own custom packages aswell?`
`08:16.33`	`tarzeau`	`possie: yes, about 8gb of it`
`08:16.40`	`karsten`	`possie: apt-proxy, if you're concerned about traffic. Set up a mirror if that's your concner. Martin Krafft's book (_The Debian System_) is highly recommended.`
`08:16.41`	`peterS`	`prolific: eh? buffer doesn't use openssl`
`08:16.50`	`karsten`	`s/concner/concern/`
`08:16.52`	`tarzeau`	`possie: but mostly we create our own custom CONFIGURATION`
`08:17.06`	`tarzeau`	`possie: we only make own packages for things that are binary only software`
`08:17.11`	`prolific`	`peterS, Oh. I thought you were talking about the buffer functions. Is buffer an application?`
`08:17.17`	`peterS`	`!info buffer`
`08:17.21`	`dpkg`	`buffer: (Buffering/reblocking program for tape backups, printing, etc.), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.19-8 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 80 kB`
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`08:17.29`	`possie`	`tarzeau, i was also thinking about certain packages that where not configure with certain compiler flags etc`
`08:17.44`	`faber3`	`how can i check if a file is opened / used by another program ?`
`08:17.46`	`tarzeau`	`possie: like? examples?`
`08:17.47`	`Xteven`	`hi, is there a debian package that allows me to access netfilter (iptables) counters through snmp ?`
`08:17.52`	`prolific`	`faber3, fuser`
`08:17.55`	`peterS`	`faber3: lsof`
`08:17.58`	`possie`	`tarzeau, sorry i mean ./configure flags`
`08:18.13`	`beardy`	`!wiui faber3`
`08:18.13`	`dpkg`	`faber3: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof"`
`08:18.13`	`tarzeau`	`possie: nothing special, but i build gnuplot against gnu readline`
`08:18.16`	`faber3`	`peterS: lsof does not show anything (having the slow copy running in the background)`
`08:18.19`	`tarzeau`	`possie: for the tab completion`
`08:18.20`	`beardy`	`(just to use the factoid :) )`
`08:18.20`	`possie`	`tarzeau, and you use apt-cron on all your systems or so?`
`08:18.33`	`tarzeau`	`possie: and i backport some software because the one in stable is just too horrible. do our own kernels`
`08:18.40`	`tarzeau`	`possie: no, only on the servers`
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`08:18.51`	`tarzeau`	`possie: we use dphys, dphys3, dphys-config, dphys-admin on all our workstations`
`08:19.07`	`tarzeau`	`possie: you can google for them. i'm working on getting them partly into debian (see dphys-swapfile and dphys-config)`
`08:19.31`	`possie`	`tarzeau, never heard of those program, i'm writing it down :-)`
`08:19.49`	`possie`	`tarzeau, and what about rolling out new machines, you use some sort of unattended installation mechanism ?`
`08:19.53`	`tarzeau`	`we give our users also mplayer, lame, g95, gcc-4, cln, vwmaer, xv and sun java`
`08:20.00`	`cydork`	`yay debian has rpmbuild, i dont have to use deadhat :P`
`08:20.07`	`karsten`	`tarzeau: xv?`
`08:20.08`	`tarzeau`	`possie: using dphys/dphys3. fully automatic`
`08:20.16`	`tarzeau`	`karsten: yeah some people can't do without, just like the pine users`
`08:20.22`	`possie`	`tarzeau, oww what's what those packages are :-)`
`08:20.27`	`tarzeau`	`karsten: i am certainly not one of them. i use gnumail.app and feh`
`08:20.29`	`possie`	`tarzeau, and for configuration something like cfengine?`
`08:20.40`	`tarzeau`	`possie: no, dphys-config (it's in debian sid now)`
`08:20.41`	`karsten`	`tarzeau: That's the really old graphics viewer? Or am I missing something?`
`08:20.48`	`tarzeau`	`karsten: yeah the really ugly one`
`08:21.01`	`tarzeau`	`karsten: do you like the really old window manager? amiwm?`
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`08:21.18`	`tarzeau`	`possie: we also run http://www.dcl.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/debian/binary/`
`08:21.26`	`karsten`	`tarzeau: Y'know, it is ugly and motif-y, but there are some pretty cool UI hacks, like the fact that windows position with the default button under the mouse.`
`08:21.29`	`tarzeau`	`and have ooo2 and ooo1 installed in parallel`
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`08:22.11`	`tarzeau`	`i just had a half day morning talk with a guy from geodesy two days ago`
`08:22.24`	`possie`	`tarzeau, you are a developer of dphys ? :-)`
`08:22.29`	`tarzeau`	`that was interesting what they do, and that they might release some of their software (they mostly use GMT) for the future`
`08:22.41`	`tarzeau`	`possie: no i'm a user, neil, sitting left of me is the developer of it`
`08:22.57`	`tarzeau`	`possie: i'm a user telling what i want in it, and what not, and he writes it :)`
`08:23.00`	`karsten`	`tarzeau: Main problem these days is that it doesn't support a number of graphics formats, including PNG.`
`08:23.06`	`possie`	`tarzeau, ah :-)`
`08:23.19`	`tarzeau`	`karsten: i've never liked xv, for its license`
`08:23.29`	`tarzeau`	`karsten: and user interface which i wasn't used to`
`08:23.37`	`hq4ever_2`	`SingleSignOn from windows to Linux - a myth ?`
`08:23.45`	`possie`	`tarzeau, so it's acctually a fai and cfengine, combined?`
`08:23.47`	`tarzeau`	`hq4ever_2: no`
`08:24.01`	`hq4ever_2`	`so, is it per service dependent ?`
`08:24.02`	`tarzeau`	`possie: does the same thing, different implementation`
`08:24.02`	Sebboh`	`what is singlesignon?`
`08:24.06`	`karsten`	`tarzeau: Last I used it was prolly RH 5.2 or so, say, 1998.`
`08:24.08`	`tarzeau`	`possie: it's sai/dphys and dphys-config`
`08:24.12`	`tarzeau`	`possie: you can google for it`
`08:24.15`	`wols`	`hq4ever_2: what are services?`
`08:24.37`	`possie`	`tarzeau, i'm looking at the main website currently`
`08:24.38`	`tarzeau`	`karsten: quite some time ago, before when i started w/ linux :)`
`08:24.40`	`hq4ever_2`	`I'm working on integrating SVN using mod_dav_svn into our (mostly) windows dev env`
`08:24.52`	`tarzeau`	`possie: good, i'm a regular here. if you chose to use it, i can be of help`
`08:25.16`	`hq4ever_2`	`and I wish them to not have to input their passwords each time they commit`
`08:25.22`	`tarzeau`	`possie: we've got some medium large freebsd fileservers, and do nis/nfs`
`08:25.36`	`possie`	`tarzeau, perfect, i'm definitly going to look at it, since i'm in the middle of choosing the right tools, fai, cfengine, puppet and now dphys as well :-)`
`08:25.43`	`tarzeau`	`hq4ever_2: putty has key handling`
`08:26.11`	`beardy`	`karsten: Your color conf is great, thanks again :)`
`08:26.22`	`karsten`	`beardy: You're welcome ;-)`
`08:26.53`	`hq4ever_2`	`tarzeau: I know, but I don't want to use ssh+svn, I rather them talking webdav to the repository`
`08:27.36`	`hq4ever_2`	`and for this I'm trying to custom fit PAM, Apache, winbind, ActiveDirectory and the Windows workstation`
`08:27.42`	`hq4ever_2`	`possible ?`
`08:28.17`	`hq4ever_2`	`oh, forgot to mention krb5`
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`08:29.43`	`hq4ever_2`	`I would very much appreciate a good link to a "single sing on" document explaining how all this magic works - in the windows world, guess then I could understand better what I need to do from the nix side to make it work also`
`08:30.09`	`possie`	`karsten, what do you use for unattended installs if i may ask?`
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`08:30.43`	`karsten`	`possie: Seeing as it's usually RH, Kickstart. Debian => FAI.`
`08:30.46`	`peterS`	`hq4ever_2: in the windows world, when you log on, the system caches the password you used to log on so it can send the same credentials to other services if they want to operate that way. doesn't work that way in linux, though kerberos makes use of something vaguely similar`
`08:30.50`	`karsten`	`possie: However I haven't use FAI.`
`08:31.25`	`possie`	`karsten, and you also use something like cfengine?`
`08:31.36`	`karsten`	`possie: Nope.`
`08:31.44`	`karsten`	`possie: Not that doing so might be a good idea.`
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`08:33.10`	`hq4ever_2`	`peterS: You mean that when XP-A wish's to speak with XP-B file share it send's it the username & password of the user logged on in XP-A ?`
`08:33.55`	`hq4ever_2`	`I'm not sure I agree here, there's this concept of TGT no? That's the reason they wanted so much to use kerberos in the first place, nay ?`
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`08:34.42`	`peterS`	`hq4ever_2: the kerberos TGT is what I'm talking about - it doesn't cache your password, but it does cache a way to authenticate with some other service without having to reenter your password`
`08:35.02`	`peterS`	`hq4ever_2: the windows domain method does in fact cache your password, or at least the NTLM hash of it, which is equivalent`
`08:35.57`	`cydork`	`karsten: actully pressed much like kickstart but FAI has more features`
`08:36.36`	`karsten`	`cydork: ??`
`08:37.08`	`cydork`	`s/pressed/preseed/`
`08:37.11`	`hq4ever_2`	`Thank you for that info`
`08:37.18`	`karsten`	`cydork: Ah. Yeah.`
`08:37.33`	`karsten`	`cydork: How about the auto-answer stuff at the beginning of the install?`
`08:37.48`	`karsten`	`cydork: Hrm...`
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`08:38.13`	`karsten`	`cydork: The twisted thing to do would be a kickstart install that installed nothing but had a postinst script to run debootstrap ;-)`
`08:38.34`	`cydork`	`karsten: or debtakeover :P`
`08:38.48`	`karsten`	`cydork: How is that? I haven't tried it yet.`
`08:38.55`	`cydork`	`!debtakeover`
`08:38.55`	`dpkg`	`i heard debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin.`
`08:39.07`	`SubStack`	`!ice weasel`
`08:39.17`	`cydork`	`karsten: the only problem is it's available for woody :(`
`08:39.26`	`karsten`	`Yeah, saw that.`
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`08:40.05`	Sebboh`	`My debian system often wants to install x11-common and company when I try to install something that does NOT need X-windows. (Like sun's java 5 jdk.) How can I tell apt to not do this?`
`08:40.26`	`peterS`	Sebboh`: are you hurting for disk space? then don't use java
`08:40.33`	`peterS`	Sebboh`: if you aren't hurting for disk space, those packages are harmless
`08:40.46`	`peterS`	`they don't actually install an X server or anything, they're just libraries and support files`
`08:41.04`	Sebboh`	`...`
`08:41.06`	Sebboh`	`My debian system often wants to install x11-common and company when I try to install something that does NOT need X-windows. (Like sun's java 5 jdk.) How can I tell apt to not do this?`
`08:41.09`	Sebboh`	`=)`
`08:41.35`	Sebboh`	`Yes, I am hurting for diskspace.`
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`08:42.02`	`peterS`	`then java is, in general, a bad idea. it's quite incompatible with the concept of hurting for disk space`
`08:42.11`	`peterS`	`it's not just sun, gcj is just as bad`
`08:42.18`	Sebboh`	`sigh You're not my BOFH.`
`08:42.43`	`peterS`	`you can't just decide _not_ to install some library that an app needs just because you think it shouldn't need it`
`08:42.53`	`peterS`	`if you do that, it will crash at startup because of missing symbols`
`08:43.15`	`peterS`	`you can try, with 'dpkg --install --force-depends', but you will come to grief in the end`
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`08:43.22`	`beardy`	!bofhsmite Sebboh`
`08:43.37`	`karsten`	Sebboh`: the obvious solutions would be: get more disk, or find an alternative to installing Java.
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`08:44.00`	Sebboh`	`It's 3:40 local. I don't have to justify my desires to you. No, it won't... It's java. Some damned package maintainer decided to include some java demos.. THOSE probably need x libs.`
`08:44.23`	`karsten`	Sebboh`: Sounds like a personal problem.
`08:44.39`	`beardy`	`If someone that wants to help you asks about your desires, asnwering is the good thing to do.`
`08:45.37`	`peterS`	Sebboh`: it's 3:45 local. we don't have to answer your questions.
`08:45.55`	Sebboh`	`Better question: is there a good way to view package dependency trees?`
`08:46.29`	Sebboh`	`karsten, glanced at my wall instead of issuing a date command. ;)`
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`08:46.57`	`peterS`	Sebboh`: 'apt-cache dotty' might be what you are looking for. dotty is a graph format that can be converted to .png with various tools
`08:47.00`	`karsten`	Sebboh`: Your wall tells time? ;-)
`08:47.19`	Sebboh`	`my clock depends on my wall. ;)`
`08:47.36`	`Fox`	`apt-cache rdepends clock`
`08:47.39`	`beardy`	`date \| wall`
`08:47.44`	`karsten`	`peterS: Is GraphViz still non-free?`
`08:47.54`	Sebboh`	`rdepends? Hmm!`
`08:48.17`	`peterS`	`karsten: seems to be in main. and there are other tools that can deal with dotty files too`
`08:48.25`	`beardy`	`saytime is nice, btw`
`08:48.28`	`beardy`	`and saydate`
`08:48.36`	`peterS`	Sebboh`: there is also 'apt-rdepends', a separate utility that recursively traces package dependencies
`08:48.49`	`Rhizome`	`Anyone know of a tftp server that doesn't suck? :(`
`08:48.51`	`peterS`	`('apt-cache dotty' is similar but gives output in the form of a dotty file)`
`08:49.15`	`peterS`	`Rhizome: there are 3 tftp servers in debian that I know of, and the reason is that not all clients are compatible with all servers. try them all, you might find one that works`
`08:49.16`	`cydork`	`beardy: uses festival?`
`08:49.19`	`beardy`	`Or nice.. well, IIRC it didn't do 24h format in an easy way, in woody anyway, oh well`
`08:49.25`	`cydork`	`:P`
`08:49.27`	`beardy`	`cydork: No, soundfiles.`
`08:49.38`	`Rhizome`	`peterS: I have, hehe ;)`
`08:49.50`	`peterS`	`Rhizome: I use 'tftpd' here for netbooting my RS/6000`
`08:49.51`	`beardy`	`cydork: And you could record your own and replace and so on.`
`08:50.05`	`peterS`	`Rhizome: but I think a friend of mine had to use 'tftpd-hpa' for netbooting her sparc`
`08:50.06`	`tarzeau`	`damn oo2 has longer opening a first new document than firefox needs to open one new tab`
`08:50.11`	`tarzeau`	`how worse can it get?`
`08:50.12`	`cydork`	`beardy: hmm might try it out`
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`08:50.20`	`beardy`	`cydork: Do that.`
`08:50.31`	`Rhizome`	`peterS: They usually work fine on the same network, but I have systems behind nat all over the place that it just timesout with.`
`08:50.47`	`jarw`	`/window grow 5`
`08:51.12`	`beardy`	`/window shrink 5`
`08:51.16`	`peterS`	`Rhizome: running UDP-based protocols (like tftp) through a NAT is never much fun, as the connection tracking in the NAT gateway is generally really designed for TCP`
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`08:53.00`	`ryty`	`how do I map which driver is which NIC?`
`08:53.16`	`ryty`	`I mean, per se I want natsemi to be eth0, and r8169 to be eth1`
`08:53.18`	`beardy`	`ryty: Look at the nics.`
`08:53.28`	`beardy`	`Oh, !ifrename`
`08:53.31`	`beardy`	`!ifrename`
`08:53.32`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that ifrename is a utility which sets interface names based on parameters such as MAC address. Very handy if different kernels or kernel modules assign different identifiers to your interfaces, or just to make your firewall rules more readable. http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3586546`
`08:53.45`	`possie`	`i thought it was possible to do a online resize ext3 filesystem, however i can't get it done even when i try in force mode`
`08:54.48`	`possie`	`getting the message "can't resize mounted filesystem"`
`08:54.49`	`peterS`	`possie: you have to use a kernel that supports that, and a filesystem created with the appropriate flags`
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`08:55.21`	`peterS`	`possie: and a utility that knows about this stuff, like ext2resize`
`08:55.22`	`beardy`	`ryty: What dpkg said above was for you.`
`08:55.56`	`Rubeni`	`Hi, one question about telnet & ssh, if I use ssh user@a.com and after, telnet from a.com to b.com, the connection betweeb a & b is plain text or is using ssl?`
`08:55.57`	`possie`	`peterS, which kernel parameter do i need?`
`08:56.10`	`peterS`	`possie: dunno, look it up`
`08:56.16`	`possie`	`peterS, currently i was trying to use resize2fs`
`08:56.31`	`peterS`	`possie: for one thing you have to use a reasonably recent kernel, the ext2 online resizing was not added until fairly recently`
`08:56.51`	`peterS`	`I don't remember if there is a separate config parameter for this or if it's unconditionally enabled in recent kernels`
`08:56.52`	`possie`	`peterS, ok, small posibility that my debian sarge install uses that one then`
`08:57.05`	`ryty`	`beardy: got it, thanks`
`08:57.05`	`faber3`	`is there a way to check as user if another process is using a file?`
`08:57.07`	`peterS`	`possie: yeah you need 2.6.10 or newer, apparently. sarge has 2.6.8`
`08:57.11`	`beardy`	`Rubeni: You mean ssh, not ssl. It is plain text, but not all the way to you. Simple answer, generally, never use telnet anymore, always use ssh if it's possible.`
`08:57.31`	`Rubeni`	`okey thanks`
`08:57.41`	`peterS`	`beardy: nonsense, I use telnet all the time. just not for interactive logins on port 23`
`08:57.49`	`possie`	`peterS, in that case i would need a boot cd (like knoppix) in order to resize then`
`08:57.57`	`peterS`	`possie: something like that`
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`08:58.06`	`beardy`	`peterS: Yeah, but is it possible to use ssh for those things?`
`08:58.14`	`peterS`	`beardy: no`
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`08:58.59`	`beardy`	`peterS: Then we let that stand for itself ;)`
`08:59.05`	`peterS`	`also, it is true that a lot of things one uses telnet for, one can also use netcat for. but not all.`
`08:59.36`	`possie`	`peterS, i think it would be possible with the debian installation cd right? it should have the lvm2 tools installed`
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`08:59.52`	`beardy`	`peterS: yeah`
`09:00.21`	`peterS`	`possie: I think so. I don't remember what all is in the sarge installer`
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`09:14.10`	`possie`	`peterS, hehe, i finaly got my LVM volumes active via the debian installation cd, however i'm missing resize2fs :-)`
`09:15.15`	`pelzi_`	`try chrooting to your installation ;)`
`09:15.39`	`Thandavarayan`	`Got some problems with Alacarte, that if I remove KDE items on Gnome menu, which also removes the same items on KDE Menu too.`
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`09:17.32`	`possie`	`pelzi_, ah good idea! :-)`
`09:17.43`	`dooglus`	`I'm looking for a program which will let me page up and down in a terminal window`
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`09:17.58`	`pelzi_`	`screen`
`09:18.10`	`dooglus`	`suppose I've just run a command which produced a lot of output, and I didn't use 'less' with it - is there some way to page up and down through the output?`
`09:18.22`	`dooglus`	`pelzi_: I've tried screen, but the backspace key doesn't work for me in screen`
`09:18.23`	LoneWlf`	`which package do I install for rar/unrar ? it's giving a depriciated when I do an apt-get install rar`
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`09:18.56`	`cydork`	LoneWlf`: you need non-free for that
`09:19.11`	LoneWlf`	`cool`
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`09:20.17`	`dooglus`	`pelzi_: if you can suggest how I might get backspace working inside screen, then screen is kind-of suitable, although the page-up and page-down is messy - you have to go into editing mode and use vi commands to scroll up and down`
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`09:20.45`	`pelzi_`	`it's probably your TERM`
`09:20.55`	`pelzi_`	`afaik google knows about that`
`09:22.04`	`karsten`	`dooglus: What's your terminal type? What's screen say about it? 'stty sane' may help, man stty for additional info.`
`09:22.40`	`dooglus`	`karsten: before running screen, TERM=xterm; inside screen, TERM=screen`
`09:22.41`	`karsten`	LoneWlf`: there are free and non-free unrar packages. You'll need non-free for some fuxnored RAR archives.
`09:22.50`	`azeem`	`dooglus: pgup/pgdn works in editing mode as well (unless you call those vi-commands)`
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`09:23.00`	`karsten`	`dooglus: Hrm. that should be pretty generic and well-supported.`
`09:23.07`	`dooglus`	`karsten: I've even tried moving my .bashrc out of the way in case something in there was messing it up, but it makes no difference`
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`09:23.25`	`karsten`	`dooglus: Not likely unless you've got stty called in there.`
`09:23.41`	`dooglus`	`azeem: it's a pain having to enter and leave editing mode. I just want to be able to use pgup and pgdown without remembering to type screen commands before and after`
`09:23.45`	`karsten`	`dooglus: Compare output of 'stty -a' inside and outside screen.`
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`09:23.50`	`karsten`	`dooglus: Good luck, I'm napping.`
`09:24.43`	`azeem`	`dooglus: sure`
`09:24.46`	`dooglus`	`stty -a output is identical before and after`
`09:24.54`	`Pachalpha`	`Hello, I just have to compile and install a new kernel (2.6.18.1) but I can't boot normaly. I have to press (ctrl-D). I cp System.map too....`
`09:25.03`	`azeem`	`dooglus: maybe see whether your terminal emulator's scrollback buffer can be enlarged?`
`09:25.14`	`dooglus`	`azeem: it's enlarged already.`
`09:25.17`	`possie`	`pelzi_, that works man! :-)`
`09:25.23`	`Pachalpha`	`can somebody help me, please ,)`
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`09:25.56`	`wols`	`Pachalpha: more input from you gives you more output`
`09:26.18`	`dooglus`	`azeem: the only solution I've found so far is to run the shell in an Emacs buffer, but that's really using a sledgehammer to crack a nut`
`09:26.32`	`wols`	`!tell Pachalpha about kp mantra`
`09:26.36`	`azeem`	`why do you need scrollback all the time?`
`09:26.54`	`Crysis-Feax`	`Hi, I have tryed to install JAVA, with apt-cache and with downloading and chmod +x file.bin and ./file.bin, but that don't work with firefox ? How can I do for uninstall the 2 JAVA and install one which works with firefox ?`
`09:26.57`	`pelzi_`	`isn't using emacs for anything like using a sledgehammer...`
`09:27.10`	`dooglus`	`azeem: I'm running a command line program which outputs more than a screenful of text for each command I run`
`09:27.28`	`dooglus`	`pelzi_: that's why I'm looking for an alternative solution...`
`09:27.43`	`pelzi_`	`well... try #screen ;)`
`09:27.58`	`pelzi_`	`I just use it for irssi... but well, screen is an emacs by itself`
`09:28.14`	`dooglus`	`pelzi_: I know how to use screen, it just doesn't do what I want`
`09:28.21`	`pelzi_`	`it can do unbelievably many things...`
`09:28.34`	`pelzi_`	`afaik with screenrc it migh catch pageup/pgdown`
`09:28.34`	`dooglus`	`pelzi_: do you know 'dtach'?`
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`09:28.48`	`pelzi_`	`I do, but I sometimes need the screen features`
`09:28.59`	`dooglus`	`pelzi_: it's like a very cut down version of screen - just does the detach thing without the multiplexing, etc.`
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`09:29.08`	`x_link`	`What's up dooglus ?`
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`09:29.20`	`pelzi_`	`i. e. ircing from a braindead terminal with no utf-8 is handy when screen coverts the charset.`
`09:29.24`	`Rhizome`	`dooglus: theres some bind commands in the manual, maybe it's possible to bind it directly tro pgup/dwn`
`09:29.52`	`dooglus`	`x_link: I'm wondering if there's some package which will let me run a shell in some kind of pgup/pgdn-able buffer`
`09:30.09`	`dooglus`	`x_link: a bit like screen, but without the need to enter and leave editing mode before and after`
`09:30.13`	`x_link`	`dooglus: Okey, well, I'm not the right man to help you =/`
`09:30.20`	`Rhizome`	`but C+a ESC then pgup/pgdown isnt that akward.`
`09:30.23`	`x_link`	`Sorryu =/`
`09:30.49`	`pelzi_`	`just learn to use vi :P`
`09:30.54`	`dooglus`	`Rhizome: that would be acceptable, but I also have the problem that inside screen the backspace key doesn't work`
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`09:31.00`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: can you help me with my problem with java ?`
`09:31.01`	`dooglus`	`pelzi_: I know how to use vi`
`09:31.11`	`pelzi_`	`modality will feel nice after that ;)`
`09:31.26`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis-Feax: nope, I don't have the processing power to run java so I didn't install it`
`09:31.55`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: and how can i uninstall it if I have installed with apt-get and with downloading with firefox and installing ?`
`09:32.03`	`Crysis-Feax`	`apt-get remove ?`
`09:32.04`	`pelzi_`	`java 1.5.0 with java-package worked for me in firefox.`
`09:32.06`	`pelzi_`	`yep`
`09:32.13`	`pelzi_`	`apt-get --purge remove`
`09:32.17`	`mne`	`hi, I'm using the nvidia blob driver for Xorg. How can I force my monitor to use a specified frequency. (my graphic card has a problem causing CRT flickering at 75Hz.) I would like to force the monitor to use 70Hz instead of 75Hz`
`09:32.36`	`cahoot`	`mne: tried xrandr?`
`09:32.40`	`Guerin`	`beh, why are there no howtos on setting up a network print client`
`09:32.41`	`pelzi_`	`yep`
`09:32.43`	`Guerin`	`?`
`09:32.57`	`pelzi_`	`Guerin: what are you doing`
`09:33.06`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: setting up a network print client`
`09:33.11`	`Guerin`	`strange, but true`
`09:33.13`	`pelzi_`	`which system`
`09:33.20`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: debian`
`09:33.28`	`dooglus`	`hmmm. interesting. if I run screen in gnome-terminal then backspace works.`
`09:33.28`	`pelzi_`	`no, lpr, cups or whatever?`
`09:33.35`	`dooglus`	`it seems it only fails to work in xfce4-terminal`
`09:33.35`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: oh, no idea`
`09:33.36`	`enouf`	`dooglus: virtual terminals (X supported) are out of the question?`
`09:33.52`	`cahoot`	`Guerin: http://linuxprinting.org/~till/printing-tutorial/tut.html ?`
`09:33.53`	`Crysis-Feax`	`ok pelzi_ with this command that had remove all my JAVAs version ?`
`09:33.58`	`dooglus`	`enouf: I want to be able to run whatever it is inside screen or dtach`
`09:34.06`	`pelzi_`	`Guerin: well then it's a little difficult`
`09:34.12`	`Guerin`	`cahoot: i just found that`
`09:34.20`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: why?`
`09:34.22`	`Guerin`	`STUPID`
`09:34.25`	`pelzi_`	`Guerin: nobody can help people who don't tell details ;)`
`09:34.40`	`enouf`	`dooglus: well konsole has many tabs/windows and mucho buffering if needed`
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`09:34.45`	`Guerin`	`<heh>`
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`09:34.58`	`enouf`	`dooglus: I'd think xterm, xfce and others also have this capability`
`09:34.59`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis-Feax: it should remove the ones installed with apt-get/dpkg`
`09:35.03`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`09:35.34`	`Guerin`	`aptitude installed samba for some insane reason`
`09:35.47`	`mne`	`cahoot, I don't know how that should help me. I'm also using a dual-headed setup, thus xrandr is unable to do a per monitor configuration. I'm looking for a xorg.conf Option`
`09:35.52`	`ryty`	`Guerin: dependency?`
`09:36.05`	`cydork`	`Guerin: samba printer?`
`09:36.22`	`dooglus`	`enouf: right, but that's not the issue. I'm running an x terminal emulator (konsole, xfce4-terminal, etc), running a bash inside there, which runs screen, which runs the application; I want something between screen and the application to take care of scrolling the output buffer`
`09:36.27`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: hmm I think that has removed the one with the ./java.bin, how can I be sure ? when I type java -version there is an error!`
`09:36.28`	`Guerin`	`what the FUCK is samba doing as a dep of cups?`
`09:36.32`	`pelzi_`	`Guerin: what are you trying to do? what kind of printer? who owns it? is it a jetdirect or some other print server`
`09:36.48`	`cydork`	`Guerin: i just said samba printer ..`
`09:36.52`	`ryty`	`Guerin: cydork just answered that`
`09:36.56`	`ryty`	`lol`
`09:37.02`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: it's an inkjet printer attached to 10.0.0.1`
`09:37.05`	`Rhizome`	`dooglus: But what do you want to use backspace for?`
`09:37.11`	`Guerin`	`cydork: it's not a fucking samba printer`
`09:37.25`	`enouf`	`dooglus: ok .. never used screen yet .. and that's a few too many app removed (stomping on each other) for my tastes :-)`
`09:37.31`	`pelzi_`	`Guerin: THEN WTF IS IT`
`09:37.32`	`cydork`	`Guerin: i mean that is a support for samba printer. Duhh :P`
`09:37.48`	`enouf`	`s/app removed/apps removed`
`09:37.51`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: if java -version don't work and java isnt in my menu its uninstalled ?`
`09:37.57`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis-Feax: probably`
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`09:38.02`	`dooglus`	`Rhizome: I use backspace for deleting the last character I typed when I make typos`
`09:38.23`	`Rhizome`	`dooglus: while your pguping in screen? ;)`
`09:38.25`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: I don't know very much about printers, but I know for good and damn sure that printing over a network DOES NOT require samba`
`09:38.27`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: and how can i install firefox now ? for work with Firefox ?`
`09:38.35`	`dooglus`	`Rhizome: no, while I'm entering commands`
`09:38.44`	`Guerin`	`cydork: why the fuck would I want that, though?`
`09:38.47`	`pelzi_`	`Guerin: oh holy god. printing to a Windows printer needs samba`
`09:38.56`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: THIS IS NOT FUCKING WINDOWS`
`09:38.57`	`dooglus`	`Rhizome: I use pgup to review the command output after I've edited the command and hit return`
`09:39.07`	`cahoot`	`mne: xrandr actually allows you to set refresh rate - the second wish wasn't clear from your original input`
`09:39.14`	`pelzi_`	`Guerin: then do not install a damn printing package that supports windows printing...`
`09:39.16`	`Rhizome`	`dooglus: ah right`
`09:39.43`	`pelzi_`	`Guerin: dammit, if you can't tell which print server you're using then just live without a printer`
`09:40.24`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: i have a fucking printer installed already`
`09:40.34`	`pelzi_`	`oh god...`
`09:40.36`	`pelzi_`	`where?`
`09:40.37`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: all I need to do is allow another printer to print to it`
`09:40.42`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: 10.0.0.1`
`09:40.48`	`pelzi_`	`which protocol?`
`09:40.52`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: i want 10.0.0.2 to be a print client`
`09:40.52`	`pelzi_`	`which model of printer?`
`09:41.15`	`mne`	`cahoot, yep, but in my case xrandr seems unuseable. I found out that I can use the option "IgnoreEDID" to stop the driver from reading out the monitor frequencies from the monitor. Thus I sould be able to specify 70Hz for the monitor. however, I still don't know the xorg.conf Option for that`
`09:41.19`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: model is irrelevant; it works already. All I need to do is make 10.0.0.2 send all print output to 10.0.0.1:631`
`09:41.31`	`Guerin`	`how to do this appears to be a ninja unix guru secret`
`09:41.34`	`pelzi_`	`I cannot give you a client if you can't tell me which protocol!`
`09:41.35`	`cydork`	`Guerin: cups has samba support if you dont use it just let it be doesn't hurt much :P`
`09:41.52`	`pelzi_`	`Guerin: guessing from the port number it is LPR`
`09:42.16`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: the print server on 10.0.0.1 is cups. But this is irrelevant to 10.0.0.2, which is the machine I'm trying to configure`
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`09:42.28`	`pelzi_`	`how is it irrelevant?`
`09:42.28`	`Guerin`	`don't guess, pay attention`
`09:42.30`	`dimi3`	`i want to broadcast a message to everybody logged on a machine - sth like the one printed when i shutdown a computer logged on ssh as root, what's the tool to use?`
`09:42.41`	`pelzi_`	`wall`
`09:42.41`	`cahoot`	`Guerin: Allow 10.0.0.* on server and browse localhost:631 on client`
`09:42.49`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: cups accepts ipp:// data on port 631.`
`09:42.56`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`09:43.04`	`pelzi_`	`telling you use cups might have helped...`
`09:43.12`	`Guerin`	`cahoot: pelzi_ how does one tell a client to print to 10.0.0.1:631?`
`09:43.18`	`dimi3`	`pelzi_: I'm trying to find it in the sid packages, but I can't, can you tell me what's its name`
`09:43.20`	`Guerin`	`pelzi_: no, it fucking doesn't`
`09:43.27`	`Guerin`	`i told you i had the server all set up`
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`09:43.39`	`pelzi_`	`well, you need to have a CUPS client.`
`09:43.43`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: for install JAVA on debian I can use the ubuntu version ? it is the same ?`
`09:43.47`	`pelzi_`	`if you want to use IPP`
`09:43.51`	`cahoot`	`Guerin: accessible printers should turn up on clients cups interface`
`09:44.07`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis-Feax: I don't know. usually they are similar, but I can't guarantee it`
`09:44.11`	`Crysis-Feax`	`okay`
`09:44.32`	`dimi3`	`pelzi_: I found it bsdutils, thanks :)`
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`09:45.53`	`pelzi_`	`Guerin: which program are you using to print? which printing client package are you using (I guess cups?)`
`09:47.51`	`dimi3`	`pelzi_: i run wall, but it's displaying messages only in tty, not in X`
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`09:48.30`	`pelzi_`	`dimi3: sorry, don't know then.`
`09:49.01`	`dimi3`	`pelzi_: thanks for helping ;)`
`09:49.03`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: how did you installed java for firefox ?`
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`09:49.20`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis-Feax: apt-get install java-package, then fed the Sun .bin to that`
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`09:50.09`	`pelzi_`	`i. e. as a luser, fakeroot java-package foo.bin`
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`09:50.43`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: I dont understand :s First i do apt-get install java-package and after ?`
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`09:50.54`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis-Feax: you download the .bin from Sun`
`09:51.21`	`Crysis-Feax`	`and I do what with the .bin after have done apt-get install java-package ?`
`09:51.35`	`pelzi_`	`hmm.`
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`09:51.59`	`pelzi_`	`actually I think it was "fakeroot make-jpkg foo.bin" as a normal user.`
`09:51.59`	`craigevil`	`why noy just add unoffical or unstable? muhc easier that way`
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`09:52.47`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: i foud a tutorial :p`
`09:53.05`	`craigevil`	`Then all you have to do is apt-get install sun-java5-jre`
`09:53.25`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: aptitude install java-package is good ?`
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`09:55.31`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis-Feax: yep`
`09:56.02`	`Crysis-Feax`	`ok pelzi_ and I can use deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian etch main contrib for get the java-package ? in sources.list ? because in sarge there is no java-package ?`
`09:56.31`	`pelzi_`	`ah... forget it, I don't know :P`
`09:56.44`	`pelzi_`	`ask someone who's used java recently.`
`09:56.57`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: if I use etch package is good ?`
`09:57.07`	`Crysis-Feax`	`etch main contrib in sources.list ?`
`09:57.11`	`pelzi_`	`I guess so, no guarantee.`
`09:57.15`	`Crysis-Feax`	`if I have sarge there is no problem ? ok`
`09:57.31`	`pelzi_`	`just don't blame me if it breaks :P`
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`09:57.46`	`Crysis-Feax`	`XD ^^ ok If it break I just have to uninstall ?`
`09:57.52`	`pelzi_`	`yep`
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`09:57.58`	`pelzi_`	`(probably)`
`09:58.07`	`pelzi_`	`I won't guarantee that either ;P`
`09:58.23`	`enouf`	`Crysis-Feax /msg dpkg java-package`
`09:58.50`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: I done aptitude upgrade with the line in sources.list :/ I think it is an error :/ no ?`
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`09:59.13`	`Ronin`	`not a good idea to be mixing sources Crysis-Feax`
`09:59.15`	`pelzi_`	`well, if you added etch and upgraded... then you are running etch. :P`
`09:59.18`	`enouf`	`!info java-package sarge`
`09:59.20`	`dpkg`	`java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB`
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`09:59.28`	`Ronin`	`and there most certainly is a, never mind`
`09:59.55`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: how can I repair that ? I remove and done aptitude upgrade ?`
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`10:00.00`	`pelzi_`	`nah.`
`10:00.04`	`enouf`	`Crysis-Feax: it would appear all you need is a "contrib" line in sources.list`
`10:00.05`	`craigevil`	`backports has sun java 5`
`10:00.10`	`pelzi_`	`if you ran upgrade (not update) it is permanent. :P`
`10:00.19`	`Crysis-Feax`	`shit !`
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`10:00.32`	`pelzi_`	`paste the sources.list somewhere`
`10:00.38`	`cydork`	`Crysis-Feax: use backports`
`10:00.44`	`pelzi_`	`it might not be that serious, but well, can't know`
`10:01.06`	`craigevil`	`Crysis-Feaux use http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions`
`10:01.54`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: I cant back on sarge ? :'(`
`10:02.06`	`pelzi_`	`downgrading is very difficult.`
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`10:02.13`	`pelzi_`	`but it happened quick :P`
`10:02.17`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: how can I look if I am on sarge ?`
`10:02.28`	`pelzi_`	`I couldn't even have downloaded all those updates that fast...`
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`10:03.00`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: is there a command for look if I am on sarge or etch ?`
`10:03.10`	`enouf`	`Crysis-Feax: cat /etc/debian_version -- wonders if apt-cache policy libc6 tells useful debian install versioning`
`10:03.20`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`10:03.23`	`wimpies`	`I need to reinstall a PC . I want a list of packages that are currently installed and preferrably in a reinstallable way`
`10:03.32`	`pelzi_`	`wimpies: dpkg -l ;)`
`10:03.39`	`Crysis-Feax`	`I use testing/unstable now :/`
`10:03.46`	`enouf`	`Crysis-Feax: but your sources.list (if played/altered with) can be a tale telling experience`
`10:04.03`	`enouf`	`!tell wimpies about reinstall`
`10:04.12`	`cydork`	`wimpies: dpkg --get-selection`
`10:04.23`	`cydork`	`s/--get-selection/--get-selections/`
`10:04.28`	`Crysis-Feax`	`enouf: ftp.fr.debian.org is my source list`
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`10:04.36`	`pelzi_`	`no, the whole list`
`10:04.37`	`enouf`	`Crysis-Feax: then you're already have ben on etch .. one doesn't do a dist-upgrade in 10secs`
`10:04.39`	`pelzi_`	`!paste`
`10:04.39`	`dpkg`	`from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste`
`10:04.44`	`enouf`	`been`
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`10:05.02`	`enouf`	`Crysis-Feax: it's waht comes AFTER ...org`
`10:05.18`	`Crysis-Feax`	`deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian etch main contrib`
`10:05.27`	`enouf`	`Crysis-Feax: yep ..Etch`
`10:05.39`	`wimpies`	`pelzi_ : requires lots of manipulation`
`10:05.45`	`Crysis-Feax`	`shit :/`
`10:05.48`	`wimpies`	`cydork : yes thx`
`10:06.21`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: I need to reinstall debian for come back on sarge ?`
`10:06.25`	`pelzi_`	`not that much really, grep ii and awk '{print $2}', but since there is a better way...`
`10:06.29`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis-Feax: yep.`
`10:06.32`	`enouf`	`Crysis-Feax: why - it ain't the worst .. unless you have a mission-critical server .. for a Desktop ..Etch is fine`
`10:06.37`	`pelzi_`	`just live with etch.`
`10:06.46`	`pelzi_`	`it will work better anyway on your system.`
`10:06.55`	`elif`	`hi all, I have installed java package in my debian, how could I said to firefox that I have the JRE just to run some applets?! ( I mean its necessary to put some files into .mozilla/firefox, isn't it?! But I don't know what)... any help ?`
`10:07.09`	`enouf`	`hates java related crud`
`10:07.38`	`pelzi_`	`for me, going yo a site that has any applet makes the whole box slow down to a crawl for 20 seconds`
`10:07.47`	`pelzi_`	`that was ebough, I said bye bye java`
`10:07.48`	`Telepathmaster`	`http://java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting`
`10:07.50`	`pelzi_`	`n...`
`10:07.56`	`Crysis-Feax`	`enouf: what is the difference wtih etch / sarge ?`
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`10:08.02`	`Telepathmaster`	`instructions there`
`10:08.13`	`pelzi_`	`sarge is old. etch is newer and has more bugs.`
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`10:09.29`	`Crysis-Feax`	`ok pelzi_ you run what ?`
`10:09.36`	`pelzi_`	`unstable. :P`
`10:09.48`	`Crysis-Feax`	`ok so like me ?`
`10:09.52`	`pelzi_`	`not very recommended, it sometimes breaks`
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`10:10.05`	`pelzi_`	`etch is testing, it is much less broken`
`10:10.19`	`enouf`	`!tell Crysis-Feax about Policy`
`10:10.24`	`Telepathmaster`	`but etch packages are older than sid ones`
`10:10.30`	`pelzi_`	`yep`
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`10:10.34`	`elif`	`Tlepathmaster: I don't need to download the jre, I already have it, the problem is to set firefox to use it...`
`10:10.37`	`pelzi_`	`but only a few weeks.`
`10:10.38`	`Telepathmaster`	`elif`
`10:10.47`	`Crysis-Feax`	`lol ok pelzi_`
`10:10.48`	`Telepathmaster`	`there are instructions on this url`
`10:10.58`	`Telepathmaster`	`to configure jre for mozilla and netscape`
`10:11.29`	`enouf`	`folks .. /msg dpkg <keyword> .. also type /topic into your irc client`
`10:11.31`	`elif`	`oh yeah thks :-)`
`10:12.12`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: I think I will reinstall ^^`
`10:12.21`	`pelzi_`	`whatever`
`10:13.07`	`Telepathmaster`	`Crysis-Feax you know, sarge packages are very, very old, for example, you have OOo1.1 :/`
`10:13.20`	`Crysis-Feax`	`pelzi_: if i have install already 1.. It will not take so many time to reinstall`
`10:13.25`	`Crysis-Feax`	`Telepathmaster: and ?`
`10:13.28`	`pelzi_`	`true`
`10:13.52`	`pelzi_`	`I played with debian for a week when I started, then reinstalled.`
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`10:14.01`	`Telepathmaster`	`I don't know what you want to do with your system, but I don't see any interest in staying with sarge`
`10:14.15`	`Crysis-Feax`	`lol pelzi_ firefox dont want to launch now ��`
`10:14.29`	`Crysis-Feax`	`may I need a reboot ?`
`10:14.34`	`pelzi_`	`maybe`
`10:14.39`	`pelzi_`	`and do a full dist-upgrade`
`10:14.50`	`Rhizome`	`Anyone know how much space is lost to redundancy on RAID 5?`
`10:14.50`	`Crysis-Feax`	`when ? after reboot ?`
`10:14.56`	`enouf`	`!upgrade`
`10:14.56`	`dpkg`	`i heard upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security'`
`10:15.01`	`pelzi_`	`Rhizome: one disk`
`10:15.10`	`petemc`	`Rhizome: you get 2 thirds of your space usable`
`10:15.15`	`pelzi_`	`Rhizome: it's spread around the disks but the size is the same of one disk`
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`10:15.28`	`pelzi_`	`petemc: not if you have more than 3 disks`
`10:15.48`	`Rhizome`	`hm, I've been getting conflicting answers from two experts, one sayes around 25% and one sayes 1 disk every 5 disks.`
`10:15.51`	`enouf`	`!sarge->etch`
`10:15.51`	`dpkg`	`Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security>`
`10:15.52`	`Rhizome`	`confusing ;)`
`10:16.05`	`pelzi_`	`Rhizome: it is the same as RAID4`
`10:16.14`	`pelzi_`	`Rhizome: one disk parity, the rest are data`
`10:16.57`	`pelzi_`	`Rhizome: with raid5, the parity is spread, but the amount is the same`
`10:17.26`	`Rhizome`	`So If I wanted 3.5TB I could use 8 500GB disks?`
`10:17.41`	`pelzi_`	`yes, but with 8 disks it would suck`
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`10:18.19`	`pelzi_`	`4 disks generally have the best performance. so make 2 4-disk raids`
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`10:18.40`	`Fox_1_`	`hi all`
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`10:18.43`	`Rhizome`	`thanks pelzi_ :)`
`10:18.50`	`Crysis`	`lol pelzi_ after reboot nothing wnat tu run XD`
`10:18.59`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis: dist-upgrade :P`
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`10:19.13`	`pelzi_`	`or just reinstall... it sounds rather broken`
`10:19.20`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ command not found`
`10:19.20`	`Crysis`	`:X`
`10:20.00`	`enouf`	`Rhizome: look at http://www.acnc.com/04_01_00.html click the various levels on the top Raid-Level bar`
`10:20.39`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ helpppp I'm going to die without y debian <3 ^^^`
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`10:20.58`	`pelzi_`	`reinstall. :P`
`10:21.06`	`Crysis`	`okay cherry :p`
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`10:22.45`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ after reinstall KDE, gnome or fluxbox ? ^^`
`10:23.16`	`enouf`	`dpkg no raid5 is <reply> -- I heard raid5 is see raid or http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid -- also see http://www.acnc.com/04_01_05.html and click the various levels (0 ... 50, 0+1) on the page's RAID LEVEL: bar`
`10:23.16`	`dpkg`	`enouf: okay`
`10:23.36`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis: keep KDE if you liked it`
`10:23.43`	`Crysis`	`ok pelzi_`
`10:23.47`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis: your box is fast enough for it anyway`
`10:23.58`	`pelzi_`	`a little different for me with a PIII 800mhz...`
`10:24.02`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ I am reinstalling ^^ thanks mum for the laptop XD`
`10:24.11`	`Crysis`	`ohh pelzi_ just a little`
`10:24.22`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`10:24.25`	`pelzi_`	`but it was free :P`
`10:24.46`	`Crysis`	`me too :) thanks VOIP security hole :p`
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`10:26.38`	`Crysis`	`lol pelzi_ after reinstalling the magic command update-pciids for installing KDE :p`
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`10:31.09`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ finished to reinstall :P`
`10:31.22`	`pelzi_`	`dammit it goes fast :P`
`10:31.55`	`Crysis`	`oh yes`
`10:32.08`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ methode for apt ? ftp ? http ?`
`10:32.12`	`pelzi_`	`http`
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`10:38.05`	`ma3x`	`anyone knows how to increase mplayer cache?`
`10:38.20`	`pelzi_`	`-cache foo`
`10:38.24`	`ma3x`	`what's foo?`
`10:38.29`	`pelzi_`	`a number`
`10:38.35`	`ma3x`	`let me try`
`10:38.43`	`pelzi_`	`try 8192 for starters`
`10:39.57`	`ma3x`	`can I put that in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf?`
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`10:40.04`	`pelzi_`	`probably`
`10:40.07`	`pelzi_`	`or in your home`
`10:40.48`	`Crysis`
`10:40.48`	`Crysis`	`and statement that there is one week I have it to pass from FAT32 to NTFS for Windows�`
`10:40.50`	`ma3x`	`thanks`
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`10:41.22`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ I will convert my external HDD NTFS to FAT32 for linux and statement that there is one week I have it to pass from FAT32 to NTFS for Windows�`
`10:41.46`	`pelzi_`	`mmh?`
`10:42.10`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ I will convert my NTFS external HDD in fat32 for linux`
`10:42.16`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`10:42.20`	`pelzi_`	`I got that :P`
`10:42.30`	`Crysis`	`but 2 weeks ago it was FAT32, but I converted it in NTFS for my windows games`
`10:42.31`	`Crysis`	`XD`
`10:42.48`	`pelzi_`	`typical. :P`
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`10:43.07`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ you use zsh or the normal shell ?`
`10:43.18`	`lord_rob`	`I have downloaded flash 9 plugin, and would like to install it manually in my home directory. Where do I have to copy the .so file ? (for firefox)`
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`10:43.21`	`pelzi_`	`the default`
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`10:43.58`	`pelzi_`	`lord_rob: for me firefox could do that by itself with its installer-thingy`
`10:44.19`	`Crysis`	`ok pelzi_ I think I will not reinstall zsh because with konsole it is white on white for the name of the machine it is not the dream :p`
`10:44.24`	`Crysis`	`for read`
`10:44.30`	`pelzi_`	`yep`
`10:44.40`	`lord_rob`	`pelzi_: could you elaborate a bit please ? It sounds interesting`
`10:45.06`	`pelzi_`	`you know, I went to a flash page, clicked "next" a few times and it works ;)`
`10:45.31`	`fresch`	`i installed the compiz packages from unstable on my etch system. i also installed xorg from unstable after having x crash a couple of times when starting compiz. then i reinstalled the nvidia drivers. now compiz starts but the window decorations just dissappear, and thats it. plus the window contents are unresponsive after that. anyone know whats going on?`
`10:46.43`	`lord_rob`	`pelzi_: ah right. The problem here is that I'm trying flash 9 beta, so it's not official yet. For official flash 7, there's apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree`
`10:46.54`	`pelzi_`	`yep`
`10:47.05`	`pelzi_`	`sorry, no idea (I hate flash anyway ;)`
`10:47.11`	`lord_rob`	`ok`
`10:47.40`	`lord_rob`	`but the question is : where's firefox plugin directory ? for a user`
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`10:48.09`	`pelzi_`	`wasn't it .firefox, a cryptic name and something ;)`
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`10:51.02`	vin`	`lord_rob: tried ~/.mozilla/plugins ?`
`10:51.18`	`lord_rob`	vin`: no actually
`10:51.39`	`lord_rob`	vin`: I thought it was for the old mozilla (now seamonkey)
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`10:52.28`	vin`	`lord_rob: iirc, firefox uses that as well.`
`10:53.07`	`lord_rob`	vin`: ok thanks it works
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`11:00.02`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ see you :p go to school thanks for the help`
`11:00.48`	`gogosys`	`hello guys I want tool to monitor traffic for each port unix/linux tool, thanks I want to create monthly raports`
`11:00.49`	vin`	`lord_rob: how's the cpu usage?`
`11:01.04`	`gogosys`	`but nor rmtg`
`11:01.07`	`gogosys`	`*not`
`11:01.13`	`lord_rob`	vin`: second :-)
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`11:01.25`	vin`	`gogosys: munin?`
`11:01.33`	`gogosys`	`munin?`
`11:01.39`	`pelzi_`	`gogosys: be advised that monitoring traffic at that level will use a lot of CPU`
`11:01.47`	`lord_rob`	vin`: 14% firefox-bin
`11:02.14`	vin`	`lord_rob: with a flash9 page running?`
`11:02.21`	`lord_rob`	vin`: browsing www.ilovetechno.be yes
`11:02.38`	`gogosys`	`Pelizi_ no probelm I looking some tool cacti shit, rmtg also`
`11:02.44`	`gogosys`	`I need non-graph reports`
`11:02.59`	`pelzi_`	`i didn't like cacti either ;)`
`11:03.02`	`Skiver`	`hello where can I read the bugs/changelog etc of a debian pre-build kernel ?`
`11:03.16`	`pelzi_`	`but I haven't found anything for that`
`11:03.38`	`pelzi_`	`with *bsd and pf it might be pretty simple to do`
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`11:04.27`	`gogosys`	`pelizi i have cisco ruter and i want count for each port`
`11:04.41`	`pelzi_`	`oh... then just write your own.`
`11:04.50`	`pelzi_`	`you meant physical port :)`
`11:05.08`	`pelzi_`	`snmpwalk and grep help.`
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`11:05.20`	`lord_rob`	vin`: however flash9 sound seems to hang after a while, sound goes to a loop, I have found no way to stop it (quitting mozilla of course)
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`11:14.27`	`liable`	`!qotd0`
`11:14.27`	`dpkg`	`<drp> is there a command to allow me to see lan printers < greycat> drp: yes. "Joe! Show me that printer!" < greycat> substitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator < drp> lol`
`11:14.46`	`liable`	`heh, one of my favourites :)`
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`11:18.05`	`Skiver`	`hello, when checking dmesg, why is my ram being mapped as HIGH and LOW mem ?`
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`11:21.23`	`tarzeau`	`Skiver: because it's segmented?`
`11:21.53`	`tarzeau`	`Skiver: for details check the kernel documentation and the kernel sources`
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`11:25.07`	`Skiver`	`tarzeau: it's kind of reserved so i actually only have 896mb to use.`
`11:25.26`	`tarzeau`	`Skiver: what says free -m ?`
`11:25.44`	`tarzeau`	`Skiver: and which kernel do you have exactly of debian? i mean run grep HIGHMEM /boot/config*whateveryourkernelis`
`11:25.51`	`Skiver`	`tarzeau: i'm looking for a way to get around this so all mem get assigned as lowmem.`
`11:26.05`	`tarzeau`	`Skiver: forget it`
`11:26.17`	`tarzeau`	`Skiver: you are looking for a way to not read the documentation`
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`11:27.22`	`Skiver`	`relax dude, i'm reading. just that it's not polite if i don't type something to you.`
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`11:27.34`	`pelzi_`	`:D`
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`11:30.43`	`cydork`	`!qotd0`
`11:30.43`	`dpkg`	`<peterS> abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing`
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`11:34.11`	`Skiver`	`so it's recommended not to enable HIGHMEM for 1GB ram, but the pre-build 2.6.18 kernel has it as default.`
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`11:36.53`	`kryptoz`	`Hi all`
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`11:39.32`	`sdogi`	`any ideas why my fonts are messed up with mc... also when i try to rename a file with konqueror it's messed up... i think it is related`
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`11:44.08`	`vorbote`	`sdogi: have you checked that console-setup and localeconf (or locale, depends on the flavor you run) are cofigured to use the same locale and vector encoding?`
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`11:44.14`	`Inez`	`Hi`
`11:44.32`	`sdogi`	`vorbote: going to check, thanks`
`11:44.38`	`kryptoz`	`how do i convert the unix style time to mmddyyyy ?`
`11:44.49`	`Inez`	`How can i install gcc 4.1.2 on stable debian?`
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`11:44.55`	`Inez`	`in respository is 3.3.5`
`11:45.04`	`pelzi_`	`kryptoz: start counting seconds from 1970`
`11:45.20`	`fresch`	`hmm, when i start the unstable compiz, my X just freezes.`
`11:45.32`	`fireba11`	`pelzi_ :-D`
`11:45.32`	`kryptoz`	`i know that "date" does the trick. but i cant recollect how i did it before`
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`11:45.37`	`kryptoz`	`so if anyone knows ?`
`11:45.57`	`kryptoz`	`i mean, if anyone KNOWS ?`
`11:46.07`	`Bushmills`	`kryptoz: you use command line options with date`
`11:46.12`	`pelzi_`	`someone mentioned it just yesterday :P`
`11:46.27`	`pelzi_`	`but sorry, no logs and scrollback isn't that long`
`11:46.29`	`vorbote`	`Inez, either you mix and match with a repo flavor that does, and probably hose your system... Or download the source packages and backport it (easier said than done, but much safer and more rewarding).`
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`11:46.35`	`vorsprun1`	`kryptoz, date has nice help :)`
`11:46.53`	`kryptoz`	`yeah i went through that vorsprun1, but looks vague to me at this point`
`11:47.26`	`cydork`	`Inez: try backports`
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`11:47.31`	`kryptoz`	`anyway .. all i am doing by asking here is to give retards like pelzi_ a break from their nap. But thank you Bushmills, vorsprun1`
`11:47.36`	`SevenIsPrime`	`kryptoz: "date +%m%d%Y"?`
`11:47.37`	`Inez`	`vorbote I am compiling some code, and have error 'checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O6 ) works... no' do you thinkg, its a gcc error?`
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`11:48.06`	`pelzi_`	`kryptoz: well, I'll remember to not tell you even if I know`
`11:48.11`	`kryptoz`	`SevenIsPrime: , i have it like this 1161223565.260, i need it in that format u just showed me`
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`11:48.43`	`kryptoz`	`I said "if anyone KNOWS", what are u trying to prove pelzi_, dont act like a pervert`
`11:48.44`	`SevenIsPrime`	`kryptoz: How do you get it in the format you have? If you issue the "date" command in the shell, you get it right.`
`11:48.45`	`vorbote`	`Inez: perhaps you need to install libstdc++?`
`11:49.04`	`kryptoz`	`its the squid proxy access.log file`
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`11:49.31`	`dererk[w]`	`Buenos Días/G'Morning :)`
`11:49.34`	`kryptoz`	`i am trying to accumulate the bandwidth usage of a user for the last week`
`11:49.38`	`vorbote`	`<rant>The quality of source code whose author thinks that -O6 is a valid optimization flag, is dubious at best. <rant />`
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`11:50.28`	`Inez`	`vorbote I have libstdc++6 and libstdc++5, rpoblem still exists.`
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`11:51.52`	`vorbote`	`It could be that the author has a broken autoconfig in the original source (see comment above). Try installing autotools and running an "autoreconf -f -i -v" in the top of the source tree, do a distclean and run configure again.`
`11:51.58`	`rbaig`	`What has happened to Debian Weekly News? not released any more?`
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`11:52.29`	`liable`	`joey pulled out`
`11:52.44`	`liable`	`doesnt look like the others have picked it up`
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`11:53.01`	`pelzi_`	`kryptoz: I found it out, date works fine`
`11:53.17`	`liable`	`rbaig: he mentioned it in the last one`
`11:53.39`	`Inez`	`vorbote I know that sources are 100% ok.`
`11:53.46`	`rbaig`	`liable, sorry for not reading in such detail..`
`11:54.03`	`liable`	`rbaig: um, it was the first line iirc..`
`11:54.08`	`kryptoz`	`date -s@1161137180.329`
`11:54.11`	`vorbote`	`Inez: I'm not referring to the sources, but to the autoconfiguration scripts.`
`11:54.15`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`11:54.23`	`pelzi_`	`info date.`
`11:54.25`	`Inez`	`vorbote i dotn heave there ./configure`
`11:54.27`	`rbaig`	`liable, sorryX1000`
`11:54.27`	`Inez`	`only make`
`11:54.30`	`kryptoz`	`well thanx for the motivation pelzi_`
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`11:54.43`	`Braindead`	`Inez: still you hadn't tell us what you're tryint to compile`
`11:54.52`	`Inez`	`Braindead asterisk`
`11:55.00`	`vorbote`	`In that case it means that the flags used to invoke g++ during the test are broken.`
`11:55.05`	`liable`	`rbaig: i cant tell if you are being a sarcastic prick. if not, you're welcome`
`11:55.07`	`cydork`	`Inez: it's there for debian.`
`11:55.13`	`Inez`	`cydork but version 1.0.x`
`11:55.19`	`Inez`	`I need version from cvs.`
`11:55.36`	`vorbote`	`You'll need to go through the config scripts to find the exact location of the test and fix it.`
`11:55.37`	`cydork`	`Inez: what about backports? they might have a newer version. i doubt it though`
`11:56.05`	`bigh25`	`How can I get a file listing for a newly installed source package?`
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`11:56.20`	`Inez`	`cydork I try`
`11:56.39`	`Inez`	`cydork you are talking about http://backports.org/debian/pool/ ?`
`11:56.43`	`vorbote`	`Inez: or you may not have a complete dev kit. Did you install g++ as a dependency of buld-essential?`
`11:56.44`	`cydork`	`Inez: yep`
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`11:57.00`	`fs-a`	`hello, any idea why keyboard hangs in X after a few hours even though alt+sysrq+ works?`
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`11:57.44`	`Inez`	`vorbote I am just installing g++`
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`11:57.47`	`Inez`	`then I try again`
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`11:58.12`	`cydork`	`bigh25: installed source packge?`
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`11:58.32`	`bigh25`	`cydork: I installed a source package, and I want to know its contents`
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`11:58.37`	`Inez`	`brrr`
`11:58.42`	`Inez`	`now have problem with termcap`
`11:58.46`	`Inez`	`configure: error: termcap support not found`
`11:58.47`	`Inez`	`make: *** [editline/libedit.a] Error 1`
`11:58.47`	`Inez`	`d`
`11:59.00`	`Braindead`	`Inez: are you sure 1.2.10 isn't enough? do you really need the CVS version?`
`11:59.11`	`Inez`	`yes`
`11:59.37`	`Telepathmaster`	`bigh25 dpkg -L ?`
`11:59.41`	`cydork`	`bigh25: means what? you cant install a source package, you can build a bin package then you install it :P`
`11:59.55`	`vorbote`	`Inez: Your problem: You don't have a complete dev-kit. First install build-essential, second install the -dev packages that your application needs (hinttrmcap-> libncurses6)`
`12:00.07`	`vorbote`	`or libncurses5, in stable, I tink`
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`12:00.27`	`bertrand321`	`hi everyone`
`12:00.35`	`Inez`	`vorbote I have it already in system`
`12:00.44`	`bigh25`	`cydork: I am not too familiar with this. I did "apt-get source libpango1.0-dev" and now I expected to get a library with source files I can examine. Is it not so?`
`12:01.01`	`bertrand321`	`can anyone help me to install my soundcard?`
`12:01.08`	`bertrand321`	`or my microphone`
`12:01.15`	`bertrand321`	`to be more precise`
`12:01.16`	`pelzi_`	`bigh25: you have headers and the library, yes`
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`12:01.20`	`pelzi_`	`bigh25: dpkg -L`
`12:01.20`	`bigh25`	`Telepathmaster: the source package is named the same as the bin package, so dpkg -L <pkg_name> will list the bin files`
`12:01.21`	`vorbote`	`Inez: do you mean that you have installed libncurses5-dev?`
`12:01.34`	`cydork`	`bigh25: that just downloads it check your current dir`
`12:01.47`	`bertrand321`	`how to make my micophone work?`
`12:01.47`	`pelzi_`	`ah, yes.`
`12:01.48`	`pelzi_`	`amen`
`12:01.49`	`Inez`	`vorbote yes`
`12:01.52`	`bertrand321`	`or being test?`
`12:01.53`	`Inez`	`but i just solve problem`
`12:01.54`	`pelzi_`	`(never mind what I said)`
`12:02.02`	`bertrand321`	`can you help?`
`12:02.02`	`Inez`	`I needed libnewt-dev`
`12:02.04`	`Braindead`	`if he apt-get SOURCEd it there's no installed package,it should be there on ./`
`12:02.15`	`vorbote`	`Inez: great!`
`12:02.20`	`bigh25`	`cydork: OK, thanks I see it.`
`12:02.32`	`bertrand321`	`any one to help?`
`12:03.20`	`bertrand321`	`i know it's a dummy problem but thanks for your help`
`12:03.21`	`Telepathmaster`	`if your soundcard works, so the micro should work as well usually`
`12:03.31`	`bertrand321`	`no it doesn't`
`12:03.33`	`Inez`	`vorbote cydork thank you!`
`12:03.55`	`bertrand321`	`but xine is ok and it works under windows`
`12:04.00`	`cydork`	`bertrand321: you using alsa?`
`12:04.09`	`bertrand321`	`what is alsa?`
`12:04.22`	`cydork`	`bertrand321: does your sound card work?`
`12:04.29`	`eastwood`	`advanced linux sound arcquitecture`
`12:04.33`	`bertrand321`	`yes I tested it under windows`
`12:04.46`	`cydork`	`bertrand321: which version of debian are you using?`
`12:05.34`	`cydork`	`bertrand321: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner`
`12:05.35`	`bertrand321`	`don't know well: something like a live version + update system on it`
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`12:05.52`	`Braindead`	`zomg`
`12:05.55`	`jelly-home`	`bertrand321: uhh... Debian has no live version.`
`12:06.28`	`bertrand321`	`no I mean another distribution live version based on debian: knoppix`
`12:06.30`	`jelly-home`	`bertrand321: you'll need to find out exactly what distribution you're using, and probably ask them.`
`12:06.37`	`wols`	`and I wonder what version of xine would run under windows`
`12:06.50`	`wols`	`!knoppix`
`12:06.50`	`dpkg`	`Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/`
`12:06.54`	`cydork`	`bertrand321: then you should ask #knoppix`
`12:06.57`	`jelly-home`	`wols: dunno about xine, but vlc works very well.`
`12:07.10`	`wols`	`jelly-home: there is vlc and mplayer under windows. no xine`
`12:07.42`	`bertrand321`	`yes I update system from a knoppix`
`12:08.03`	`wols`	`bertrand321: it does not matter. you do not run debian, no matter what knoppix people say`
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`12:09.14`	`bertrand321`	`so what to do to check my microphone: do I need a driver?`
`12:10.26`	`jelly-home`	`bertrand321: you probably need a mixer app to raise the recording level for starters. However you should really ask #knoppix since there's no telling what app is preferred.`
`12:10.36`	`fluxdude`	`how do I make krdc always default to vnc instead of having to type vnc://hostname?`
`12:10.57`	`fluxdude`	`I want to just be able to type hostname and have it try vnc. I couldn't see a command line option for this....`
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`12:11.15`	`bertrand321`	`x-lite ask me to check default, /dev/dsp, /dev/dsp0: where the microphone is supposed to be isntalled?`
`12:11.35`	`EdLin`	`bertrand321: #knoppix`
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`12:12.41`	`ybgwon`	`how can i change default launch application ?`
`12:12.49`	`nvz`	`o.O`
`12:12.56`	`rhsanborn`	`Is there a linux util that will do a complete format (bit by bit)`
`12:13.09`	`tralala`	`rhsanborn: dd`
`12:13.10`	`nvz`	`rhsanborn: you mean a low-level format?`
`12:13.11`	`EdLin`	`rhsanborn: dd :-)`
`12:13.14`	`pelzi_`	`cat /dev/zero > /dev/$foo`
`12:13.31`	`jelly-home`	`rhsanborn: what are you tring to do?`
`12:13.33`	`nvz`	`ybgwon: what the hell is a "default launch application"?`
`12:13.54`	`cydork`	`nvz: where have you been? :P`
`12:14.06`	`nvz`	`cydork: sitting here in front of this monitor`
`12:14.10`	`rhsanborn`	`low-level format, yes`
`12:14.11`	`ybgwon`	`i want to play asf file by mplayer`
`12:14.17`	`ybgwon`	`not totem`
`12:14.17`	`possie`	`i would like to configure apt with a proxy, during installation of debian, dpkg asks for it, now i would like to get that dialog again, i thought dpkg-reconfigure apt would do this, but it doesn't, anyone know how todo this?`
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`12:14.25`	`nvz`	`cydork: annying the shit out of people on #debian-offtopic`
`12:14.26`	`rhsanborn`	`I want to make sure that noone can recover the data from this drive if it is disposed of`
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`12:14.29`	`pelzi_`	`a low-level format is impossible with any modern drive.`
`12:14.40`	`pelzi_`	`then break it.`
`12:14.43`	`vorbote`	`rhsanborn: if you want to erase a partition beyond recovery, you can run shred on the device file (but do read the man page first).`
`12:15.03`	`pelzi_`	`if you are disposing of it, just sand the platters.`
`12:15.07`	`rhsanborn`	`I'm actually giving the PC to a charitable org.`
`12:15.08`	`cydork`	`nvz: hehe`
`12:15.11`	`pelzi_`	`takes less time and is more secure :P`
`12:15.17`	`tralala`	`ybgwon: change the processing programme for this file type in your DE`
`12:15.21`	`rhsanborn`	`Disk needs to be operational`
`12:15.23`	`nvz`	`cydork: I find it ammusing -- its rather funny -- I get a kick out of talking -- being a moron like GWB`
`12:15.35`	`pelzi_`	`well, cat /dev/zero > /dev/$foo`
`12:15.39`	`SpComb`	`dd!`
`12:15.41`	`ybgwon`	`tralala: what's DE`
`12:15.49`	`tralala`	`Desktop Environment`
`12:15.52`	`pelzi_`	`if it contains real secrets, then do not give it away`
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`12:16.05`	`Braindead`	`it contains pr0n I guess. lots of it`
`12:16.13`	`rhsanborn`	`pelzi_, it doesn't, but my boss wants to feel warm and fuzzy about it anyway`
`12:16.17`	`cydork`	`nvz: so now no one is there? :P`
`12:16.30`	`ybgwon`	`i don't understand.`
`12:16.30`	`pelzi_`	`well, as I said, cat /dev/zero.`
`12:16.37`	`vorbote`	`rhsanborn: did you read what I wrote?`
`12:16.38`	`tarzeau`	`!kmuto`
`12:16.39`	`rhsanborn`	`pelzi_, thanks`
`12:16.47`	`rhsanborn`	`vorbote, yep`
`12:16.48`	`vorbote`	`pelzi_: /dev/zero is not secure.`
`12:16.51`	`tarzeau`	`where can i find the patched up debian-installer from the .jp guy?`
`12:16.54`	`jelly-home`	`rhsanborn: zeroing the drive is usually going to be enough. you could try "wipe" or "shred" for that extra false security. ;-)`
`12:16.55`	`tralala`	`rhsanborn: just tell him that you took care of it - it will make him feel warm and fuzzy and will take him off your back`
`12:16.55`	`Bushmills`	`rhsanborn: you may want to look at wipe`
`12:16.58`	`rhsanborn`	`vorbote, I'm looking up the man pages on dd and vorbote`
`12:17.01`	`pelzi_`	`zero-filling the disk is secure from everyone except the CIA`
`12:17.04`	`cydork`	`!sarge 2.6.16`
`12:17.05`	`dpkg`	`if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm`
`12:17.06`	`Braindead`	`tralala: http://mirror.home-dn.net//d-i/`
`12:17.08`	`pelzi_`	`and anything else is sloooow`
`12:17.09`	`liable`	`tarzeau: sarge 2.6.16`
`12:17.17`	`vorbote`	`CIA, NSA and any script-kiddie`
`12:17.17`	`Bushmills`	`or write several times zeroes and ones to all of the disk repeatedly`
`12:17.18`	`liable`	`meh`
`12:17.22`	`Bushmills`	`about 15 or 20 times`
`12:17.28`	`nvz`	`cydork: Its really not hard to -- Its not altogether difficult -- saying words and not making any sense -- that is when I was a kid -- When I grew up we had this saying -- stupid is does -- er, well if you're stupid thats how you act.`
`12:17.32`	`pelzi_`	`vorbote: I can send you a HD zeroed`
`12:17.38`	`ybgwon`	`tralala: would you explain easy way ?`
`12:17.39`	`tarzeau`	`liable: the webpage doesn't work?`
`12:17.40`	`nvz`	`cydork: heh`
`12:17.46`	`tralala`	`ybgwon: kde or gnome`
`12:17.46`	`tarzeau`	`liable: and i need 2.6.18+ kernel!`
`12:17.47`	`pelzi_`	`vorbote: I'll give you a lot of money if you tell me what was on it`
`12:17.49`	`Braindead`	`tarzeau: http://mirror.home-dn.net//d-i/`
`12:17.51`	`ybgwon`	`gnome`
`12:17.52`	`liable`	`tarzeau: email him`
`12:17.57`	`ybgwon`	`tralala: i`
`12:18.02`	`vorbote`	`shred writes the disk 28 times with different patterns each time. Only safer method is an EMP pulse.`
`12:18.02`	`tralala`	`ybgwon: ask #gnome`
`12:18.08`	`tarzeau`	`Braindead: thanks`
`12:18.15`	`pelzi_`	`vorbote: and it takes ages.`
`12:18.22`	`nvz`	`cydork: man this never gets old.. I can bash bush all day long`
`12:18.32`	`Bushmills`	`vorbote: or a bath of molten iron`
`12:18.40`	`pelzi_`	`or sanding the platters.`
`12:18.43`	`vorbote`	`Of course, but it is the right solutionwhen you want to be safe`
`12:18.44`	`cydork`	`nvz: i can do that for all my life time :)`
`12:18.47`	`pelzi_`	`but the disk had to be operational`
`12:18.48`	`rhsanborn`	`Nice, I'll look all those up`
`12:18.55`	`rhsanborn`	`I appreciate it guys, inciteful as always`
`12:18.56`	`vorbote`	`And you want to please your boss.`
`12:19.25`	`Braindead`	`that's his boss scatBDSMpr0n hard disk`
`12:19.25`	`cydork`	`rhsanborn: but before doing anything, dont you want to know what was stored ? ;)`
`12:19.37`	`pelzi_`	`I am very doubtful anyone can recover data that is zeroed without billions of dollars of equipment.`
`12:19.40`	`Bushmills`	`yes, backup it first :)`
`12:19.53`	`pelzi_`	`or at least millions. :P`
`12:20.18`	`jelly-home`	`pelzi_: meh, more like tens, maybe hundreds of thousands.`
`12:20.22`	`vorbote`	`Tens of dollars, I know the guys, I know the places.`
`12:20.31`	`rhsanborn`	`cydork, not really. It's a desktop HD. It doesn't have anything on it`
`12:20.32`	`nvz`	`cydork: its so easy, just when you are about to make sense you rephrase a few times, throw in a word that doesnt belong or try use a big word you dont know the meaning to, or just misquote a well known saying`
`12:20.34`	`pelzi_`	`you tell me how`
`12:20.53`	`jelly-home`	`vorbote: but they already have the equipment which costs a bit.`
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`12:21.19`	`pelzi_`	`it definitely is not possible without opening the drive`
`12:21.32`	`tralala`	`vorbote: you can't be speaking about szeroed disk`
`12:21.39`	`pelzi_`	`and that already necessitates a cleanroom to be done properly`
`12:21.39`	`cydork`	`nvz: OT :)`
`12:22.05`	`pelzi_`	`then you need to read between the tracks... no, it is not as easy as they claim.`
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`12:22.53`	`vorbote`	`If you want automated recovery, that's in the hundreds to thousands range. Depending on it being home-grown (any electronics engineer worth two cents can do it) or a commercial solution. But it seems that you guys are not aware of the wonders you can accomplish with a hex editor, a pattern analysis system and determination.`
`12:23.12`	`pelzi_`	`eh.`
`12:23.13`	`tralala`	`pelzi_: they are just recovering the data from destroyed filesystems and/or disk partition tables`
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`12:23.21`	`pelzi_`	`tralala: exactly`
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`12:23.43`	`pelzi_`	`just to read a modern HD you need a DSP with some kick.`
`12:23.51`	`tralala`	`I'd love to see anybody recovering zeroed data without opening the disk!`
`12:23.57`	`jelly-home`	`pelzi_: that's a given.`
`12:24.21`	`pelzi_`	`let alone start pattern-matching and getting the data from between the tracks...`
`12:24.24`	`jelly-home`	`pelzi_: seeing the densities of modern drives...`
`12:24.54`	`pelzi_`	`besides, programming the DSP isn't something any electrical engineer can do...`
`12:25.17`	`tralala`	`vorbote: I'm really not aware of the kind pattern analysis that could be performed on a bunch of zeroes`
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`12:25.32`	`pelzi_`	`and I doubt anyone can program it without having a scope that can display the signal`
`12:25.37`	`pelzi_`	`that already costs $$`
`12:26.05`	`MarGarina`	`libapache2-mod-php5 seems to be v5.1.6-4 for quite a while according to packages.debian.org, however apt-get update don't see the new version yet.. ideas?`
`12:26.29`	`nvz`	`!info libapache2-mod-php5`
`12:26.33`	`dpkg`	`libapache2-mod-php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module)), section net, is optional. Version: 5.1.6-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2281 kB, Installed size: 5120 kB`
`12:26.43`	`jelly-home`	`MarGarina: it is in unstable on my mirror.`
`12:26.48`	`tralala`	`and I don't want to have anything to do with any hex editor that will display zeroes as non-zeroes`
`12:27.16`	`pelzi_`	`Reading the data slower would probably not work either. The disk is designed for the nominal speed and I think it would head crash pretty quick if it spun too slowly.`
`12:27.23`	`nvz`	`MarGarina: you have to apt-get update once in awhile`
`12:27.24`	`MarGarina`	`jelly: well now I see that on one machine it exists in the lists, and on the other it doesn't! maybe I have to flush the apt-list cache`
`12:27.51`	`vorbote`	`tralala: You have no idea of what is left underneath the zeroes, unless you do a real shredding or magnetic erasing.`
`12:28.04`	`pelzi_`	`no.`
`12:28.12`	`pelzi_`	`that needs sophisticated stuff to read.`
`12:28.23`	`ybgwon`	`i clicked webpage link and popup window says`
`12:28.28`	`tralala`	`vorbote: whatever is left underneath will require _really_ expensive equipment to uncover`
`12:28.37`	`jelly-home`	`vorbote: it definitely isn't something for just a hexeditor.`
`12:28.40`	`vorbote`	`Anyway kiddos, get some years of real life experience on security and we'll talk then.`
`12:28.43`	`pelzi_`	`and it will not be possible with the drive's own controller.`
`12:28.47`	`ybgwon`	`An external application must be lanuched to handle mms: links Requested link:`
`12:28.52`	`ybgwon`	`mms://....`
`12:28.55`	`tralala`	`plonk`
`12:29.01`	`ybgwon`	`Application : totem %s`
`12:29.03`	`ybgwon`	`...`
`12:29.06`	`pelzi_`	`you would need to rewrite your DSP for every drive model...`
`12:29.27`	`ybgwon`	`how can i change totem to mplayer`
`12:29.43`	`tralala`	`ybgwon: you have to ask #gnome`
`12:29.58`	`pelzi_`	`vorbote: want me to send you a zeroed drive, the "tens to hundreds of dollars" and you tell me what was on it?`
`12:29.58`	`ybgwon`	`tralala: sorry`
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`12:30.15`	`jelly-home`	`MarGarina: heed nvz's advice of you haven't already done so`
`12:30.27`	`vorbote`	`pelzi_: Sure, I'm needed a 500Mb Firewire. Send it along.`
`12:30.34`	`vorbote`	`/Mb/Gb/`
`12:30.41`	`pelzi_`	`recovering the zeroed stuff costs more than finding out what it contained before...`
`12:30.53`	`nvz`	`Ronin: Cats are territorial -- that is they defend their territory -- cats fight you see -- I dont know how many cats are figting -- I look around the world and I see tremendous cat fights, because cats fight`
`12:31.08`	`tralala`	`ybgwon: there is a place where this things are configured. I've even done in myself and I'd love to tell you, but I don't run gnome rught now and I don't remember the place anymore.`
`12:31.41`	`pelzi_`	`but well, zeroing is of course not as safe as writing random data.`
`12:31.55`	`pelzi_`	`if it is really random it's not possible to differentiate from noise`
`12:32.09`	`MarGarina`	`jelly-home, nvz: I had to delete /var/cache/apt/pkgcache... I guess it was apt's bug or something. 10x for the help..`
`12:32.18`	`tralala`	`pelzi_: feeding the trolls is not going to do a lot of good`
`12:32.27`	`pelzi_`	`tralala: true`
`12:32.29`	`nvz`	`MarGarina: apt-get update?`
`12:32.35`	`pelzi_`	`tralala: though I'm just thinking aloud`
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`12:33.35`	`vorbote`	`trols like tralala and pelzi_? Because soap-boxing in IRC is a poor way to spend your colle3ge days (if it is colege).`
`12:34.01`	`liable`	`heh, how ironic that spelling is..`
`12:34.09`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`12:34.14`	`MarGarina`	`nvz: didn't fix.`
`12:34.23`	`MarGarina`	`rm did, however :)`
`12:34.28`	`tralala`	`mine?`
`12:34.39`	`\|quoth`	`trying to run vmware-config.pl with the debian/unstable packaged kernel 2.6.18-1-686 but when vmware tries to detect the necessary header files it doesn't find them in /usr/src. I installed linux-source-2.6.18 and the linux-headers package for the same kernel version. I tried making a symlink for /usr/src/linux for both but no use, vmware either says it can't find the necessary files or it complains about a version conflict. any ieas?`
`12:34.42`	`\|quoth`	`ideas*`
`12:35.07`	`h3sp4wn`	`\|quoth: just install the headers from that kernel`
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`12:35.08`	`pelzi_`	`lol`
`12:35.12`	`jelly-home`	`\|quoth: linux-headers-foo are supposed to be enough.`
`12:35.17`	`liable`	`tralala: no`
`12:35.17`	`pelzi_`	`what a quit message for him...`
`12:35.33`	`tralala`	`liable: oh, okay`
`12:35.44`	`ybgwon`	`tralala: i asked #gnome but no response.`
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`12:36.30`	`\|quoth`	`jelly-home I get the following: The directory of kernel headers (version @@VMWARE@@ UTS_RELEASE) does not match your running kernel (version 2.6.18-1-686)`
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`12:37.00`	`\|quoth`	`thats when I symlink /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-1-686`
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`12:37.13`	`jelly-home`	`\|quoth: sounds like the script is slightly broken.`
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`12:38.03`	`tralala`	`ybgwon: sorry. Wait a couple of hours and try asking again.`
`12:38.12`	`\|quoth`	`im gonna get a new vmware player`
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`12:42.39`	`zamuro`	`I can't run i686 firefox on amd64. I've got ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
`12:43.16`	`tralala`	`zamuro: read the howto`
`12:43.32`	`zamuro`	`tralala: Ehm... Already done it.`
`12:43.56`	`tralala`	`zamuro: did you notice the part that speaks of 32bit chroot?`
`12:44.21`	`zamuro`	`Yup... Lemme try again.`
`12:45.26`	`h3sp4wn`	`zamuro: If you use flock you won't need a chroot (but I don't like it)`
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`12:46.07`	`zamuro`	`h3sp4wn: I've just read that on ubuntu forums. Incredibly, I've found a useful tip on that crap.`
`12:46.57`	`h3sp4wn`	`zamuro: or you can build your own firefox - and link it against ai32libs`
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`12:47.36`	`h3sp4wn`	`zamuro: ia32libs (sorry)`
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`12:48.03`	`MegaByte`	`hey guys`
`12:48.38`	`MegaByte`	`There's a friend of mine that wants to install seamonkey on debian. The installer complains that it's missing libgtkx11-2.0.so.0, however it is on /usr/lib!`
`12:48.41`	`MegaByte`	`What should he do?`
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`12:49.28`	`nkuttler`	`MegaByte: what is the exact error?`
`12:49.37`	`rhsanborn`	`I have to give root access to a web developer on my web server so that he can install modules etc for our new website. Are there things I can look for to make sure he doesn't leave backdoors into the system?`
`12:49.46`	`pelzi_`	`no.`
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`12:50.02`	`rhsanborn`	`darn`
`12:50.04`	`pelzi_`	`if you give root access to someone untrusted, you are doomed.`
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`12:50.33`	`tralala`	`rhsanborn: perhaps you don't need to worry about zeroing this disk anymore`
`12:50.41`	`fireba11`	`eheh`
`12:50.43`	`pelzi_`	`the only remotely scure way is not to tell him the password and stare at his every move`
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`12:50.48`	`zamuro`	`MegaByte: Did you add /usr/lib on /etc/ld.so.conf?`
`12:51.04`	`rhsanborn`	`pelzi_, thanks`
`12:51.11`	`MegaByte`	`zamuro: I asked him to do it`
`12:51.12`	`h3sp4wn`	`rhsanborn: Use screen`
`12:51.18`	`MegaByte`	`zamuro: and run ldconfig`
`12:51.21`	`pelzi_`	`good idea`
`12:51.25`	`MegaByte`	`doesn't seem to work`
`12:51.30`	`enouf`	`ldd libgtkx11-2.0.so.0 mayb?`
`12:51.32`	`rhsanborn`	`tralala, no kidding... different disk, thanks. I think I'll setup a webex and keep an eye on them`
`12:51.34`	`enouf`	`maybe?`
`12:51.54`	`MegaByte`	`enouf: hold on, I'm trying to bug him so he'll actually answer`
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`12:52.11`	`pelzi_`	`rhsanborn: untrusted users with root are a pain, try to get someone trusted to do it`
`12:52.17`	`tralala`	`rhsanborn: instead of giving root access you can allow only certain operations with sudo`
`12:52.20`	`pelzi_`	`or make them trusted`
`12:52.25`	`pelzi_`	`tralala: not secure at all`
`12:52.46`	`tralala`	`pelzi_: why not?`
`12:52.53`	`pelzi_`	`most programs are not safe to be run that way`
`12:53.05`	`MegaByte`	`Debian:/home/zach/seamonkey/seamonkey-installer# ./seamonkey-installer ./seamonkey-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
`12:53.05`	`pelzi_`	`it equals to running setuid`
`12:53.08`	`MegaByte`	`oops`
`12:53.09`	`MegaByte`	`sorry`
`12:53.12`	`liable`	`i have never really understood the whole sudo argument as being "safer"`
`12:53.14`	`MegaByte`	`but that's the erorr message`
`12:53.20`	`pelzi_`	`and writing a setuid program is hellishly difficult to do well`
`12:53.30`	`pelzi_`	`at least if it needs to actually do anything`
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`12:54.05`	`YogSothoth`	`Hi!`
`12:54.10`	`h3sp4wn`	`rhsanborn: give him a limited account to login - get him to reattach to the screen - the you log it on to root and watch what he does`
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`12:54.37`	`pelzi_`	`that works`
`12:54.44`	`rhsanborn`	`pelzi_, tralala, thanks guys. I'm going to insist they give me setup instructions and I'll do the install myself`
`12:54.47`	`SpComb`	`rhsanborn: sure he needs root for it? If he really does, you can also use sudo to restrict him to certain commands`
`12:54.50`	`pelzi_`	`but it is as much work as doing the job yourself.`
`12:54.58`	`pelzi_`	`sudo is not secure.`
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`12:55.05`	`MegaByte`	`enouf: there`
`12:55.09`	`SpComb`	`if it's just being able to write to the web root, you can add him to some sort of group`
`12:55.15`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`12:55.20`	`tralala`	`well at least sudo limits the commands you execute with privileges`
`12:55.24`	`pelzi_`	`yes`
`12:55.31`	`pelzi_`	`but it is a false sense of security`
`12:55.33`	`h3sp4wn`	`sudo itself is secure`
`12:55.41`	`enouf`	`MegaByte: yep .. but don't know very much :-)`
`12:55.42`	`liable`	`/var/www is owned by root, unless you put document root in a home dir`
`12:55.43`	`rhsanborn`	`Nah, they need to build some system modules`
`12:55.53`	`pelzi_`	`most programs are not safe to run setuid, which is practically the case with sudo`
`12:56.11`	`pelzi_`	`just shell special characters get past many sudo setups...`
`12:56.18`	`YogSothoth`	`I'm trying to connect to my Debian remote server. But the .bashrc file is corrupted. There's a command to source itself in it, which produce an infinite loop and makes bash run out of memory. So when I try to log in, I get rejected. Is there a way to connect using ssh without invoking this file? I know there are --norc --noprofile options for bash, but how can I use it with ssh?`
`12:56.44`	`pelzi_`	`YogSothoth: ssh foo 'mv .bashrc .foo' might work`
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`12:57.23`	`pelzi_`	`YogSothoth: you could also try scp'ing a working file on it`
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`12:58.03`	`YogSothoth`	`pelzi_, your first proposal doesn't work. Like rsh, I get the same xmalloc error`
`12:58.15`	`tralala`	`pelzi_: are there any actual exploits for commands that are oftenly used with sudo?`
`12:58.15`	`pelzi_`	`ok`
`12:58.32`	`YogSothoth`	`pelzi_, trying the scp command..`
`12:58.40`	`YogSothoth`	`pelzi_, same result with scp`
`12:58.44`	`pelzi_`	`tralala: one can be found for almost all programs, since they were not designed with that in ming`
`12:58.47`	`pelzi_`	`mind*`
`12:58.59`	`YogSothoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:58.59`	`YogSothoth`	`<pelzi_> but it is as much work as doing the job yourself.`
`12:58.59`	`YogSothoth`	`<pelzi_> sudo is not secure.`
`12:58.59`	`YogSothoth`	`<MegaByte> enouf: there`
`12:59.00`	`YogSothoth`	`<SpComb> if it's just being able to write to the web root, you can add him to some sort of group`
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`12:59.03`	`pelzi_`	`YogSothoth: it might be very close to impossible. ask the admin to help`
`12:59.11`	`pelzi_`	`...`
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`12:59.16`	`YogSothoth`	`<enouf> MegaByte: yep .. but don't know very much :-)`
`12:59.18`	`YogSothoth`	`<liable> /var/www is owned by root, unless you put document root in a home dir`
`12:59.20`	`YogSothoth`	`<rhsanborn> Nah, they need to build some system modules`
`12:59.20`	`MegaByte`	`YogSothoth: huh?`
`12:59.22`	`YogSothoth`	`<pelzi_> most programs are not safe to run setuid, which is practically the case with sudo`
`12:59.26`	`YogSothoth`	`I'm very sorry, copy/paste error :)`
`12:59.30`	`pelzi_`	`what a mistake :P`
`12:59.30`	`MegaByte`	`:P`
`12:59.30`	`YogSothoth`	`damn touchpad!`
`12:59.37`	`pelzi_`	`oh, I feel your pain`
`12:59.41`	`YogSothoth`	`I wanted to paste this:`
`12:59.42`	`YogSothoth`	`$ scp .bashrc jessy:`
`12:59.42`	`YogSothoth`	`bash: xmalloc: ../../bash/builtins/evalfile.c:128: cannot allocate 2343 bytes (0 bytes allocated)`
`12:59.43`	`pelzi_`	`ThinkPad, nipple mouse <3`
`12:59.49`	`pelzi_`	`YogSothoth: it might be very close to impossible. ask the admin to help`
`13:00.10`	`YogSothoth`	`not_benh, Vaio TX3 ultra sensitive touchpad and ultra small keyboard :-/`
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`13:00.52`	`enouf`	`MegaByte: ask him cat /proc/version and maybe you can obtain info from a ' ldd -v libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 '`
`13:00.54`	`pelzi_`	`tp X22, ultra small lappy with nice input devices ;)`
`13:00.58`	`YogSothoth`	`pelzi_, very close to impossible to log in again in my server?`
`13:01.03`	`tralala`	`YogSothoth: aren't there any ssh options to tell it not to initiate a login process?`
`13:01.18`	`pelzi_`	`YogSothoth: as that user, yes`
`13:01.32`	`SpComb`	`sarge -> 2.4 kernel -> trackpoint doesn't seem to work`
`13:01.35`	`pelzi_`	`YogSothoth: with physical access it can be fixed`
`13:01.38`	`MegaByte`	`enouf: it's libgtk-x11 or libgtkx11?`
`13:01.42`	`SpComb`	`I need to find a etch usb installer and try again`
`13:01.49`	`pelzi_`	`SpComb: weird, which machine`
`13:01.51`	`SpComb`	`X40`
`13:01.56`	`enouf`	`MegaByte: whchever on you posted`
`13:02.01`	`pelzi_`	`hmm, afaik it should be PS/2 in those`
`13:02.02`	`enouf`	`one`
`13:02.07`	`SpComb`	`XOrg errors out with unable to open up /dev/input/mice`
`13:02.13`	`pelzi_`	`try psaux`
`13:02.26`	`YogSothoth`	`pelzi_, as that user well as root it's the same issue (i am the admin): i symlinked root's .bashrc to this defective .bashrc of mine. So it's the same memory error when trying to log as root. (don't laugh I'm already very annoyed)`
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`13:02.32`	`SpComb`	`iirc a ls /dev/ \| grep ps didn't turn up anything`
`13:02.38`	`tralala`	`from man ssh: If command is specified, command is executed on the remote host instead`
`13:02.41`	`tralala`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:02.47`	`SpComb`	`dunno, but I think I want etch anyways, sarge is soo stale`
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`13:02.48`	`pelzi_`	`YogSothoth: do you have physical access`
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`13:02.50`	`YogSothoth`	`nop`
`13:02.58`	`YogSothoth`	`no physical access`
`13:03.00`	`pelzi_`	`tralala: it is not the login, the shell is borked`
`13:03.05`	`enouf`	`MegaByte: but use the full path to filename`
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`13:03.17`	`hobabalara`	`pls anyone give me sources.list`
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`13:03.28`	`pelzi_`	`let me think.`
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`13:03.29`	`enouf`	`MegaByte: ldd -v /full/path/to/libfilename.0.2.1`
`13:03.42`	`tralala`	`pelzi_: the shell should never be invoked`
`13:03.45`	`pelzi_`	`do you have any users that can login?`
`13:03.48`	`enouf`	`MegaByte: usually /lib or /usr/lib`
`13:03.51`	`YogSothoth`	`pelzi_, yes`
`13:03.53`	`pelzi_`	`tralala: the shell interpretes the command`
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`13:03.57`	`pelzi_`	`tralala: it is invoked.`
`13:04.01`	`YogSothoth`	`but this user is not in the sudoers`
`13:04.09`	`pelzi_`	`YogSothoth: su might work`
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`13:04.14`	`pelzi_`	`without the -`
`13:04.22`	`YogSothoth`	`no it does not: it says Segmentation fault!`
`13:04.35`	`pelzi_`	`oh boy...`
`13:04.39`	`YogSothoth`	`:)`
`13:04.40`	`enouf`	`MegaByte: but 'others' (here) know much better than I on how to fix this .. or whatever .. using idconfig maybe`
`13:04.46`	`tralala`	`YogSothoth: does ssh '/bin/mv ...' work?`
`13:04.51`	`pelzi_`	`su has a --shell`
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`13:05.20`	`tralala`	`or ssh /bin/csh`
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`13:05.30`	`enouf`	`duh .. MegaByte soryy . ldconfig .. not idconfig`
`13:05.39`	`enouf`	`typostpyos`
`13:05.53`	`pelzi_`	`tralala: if even scp fails I don't feel very good about it :(`
`13:06.15`	`YogSothoth`	`tralala, ssh jessy '/bin/mv /home/john/.bashrc /home/john/.bashrc.bak' gives xmalloc error too`
`13:06.24`	`guven`	`how can I connect to the internet with ADSL in debian-installer? there is no pppoeconf`
`13:06.34`	`pelzi_`	`guven: there should be`
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`13:06.48`	`tralala`	`YogSothoth: what if you try to launch a different shell? csh?`
`13:06.49`	`Jemt`	`Greetz. I'm running Gnome 2.14. I have a minor problem with one of my harddrives. It is mounted and works perfectly, but does not show up in Gnome. Both my USB HDD and USB Memory Key shows up - but not my data partition. Can someone help me ?`
`13:06.53`	`hobabalara`	`t�rk varm�`
`13:07.00`	`guven`	`var`
`13:07.02`	`YogSothoth`	`tralala, how can I do that using ssh?`
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`13:07.15`	`hobabalara`	`abi sources.list varmi sende cal�san adam gibi`
`13:07.19`	`YogSothoth`	`pelzi_, what you mean with su has a --shell ?`
`13:07.29`	`pelzi_`	`YogSothoth: you can give it a different shell`
`13:07.35`	`guven`	`hobabalara: bi dakka`
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`13:07.42`	`pelzi_`	`YogSothoth: but won't help if it segfaults`
`13:08.09`	`YogSothoth`	`GOD! su -c ls works:!!`
`13:08.21`	`guven`	`hobabalara: #debian.tr gel`
`13:08.29`	`hobabalara`	`ok`
`13:08.34`	`FaithX`	`anyone know where the default mtu for the tun dev can be set?`
`13:08.46`	`pelzi_`	`man ifconfig, afaik`
`13:09.11`	`pelzi_`	`ifconfig $foo mtu $bar`
`13:09.27`	`YogSothoth`	`I've been able to move the file and now I can login. Thank you GUYS!`
`13:09.28`	`pelzi_`	`if on openvpn, use --tun-mtu or something like that`
`13:09.33`	`FaithX`	`pelzi_: I know how to set it`
`13:09.54`	`pelzi_`	`I'd guess the default is in the kernel`
`13:09.59`	`FaithX`	`pelzi_: yes it is openvpn... how did you guess`
`13:10.03`	`tralala`	`FaithX: in the interfaces file`
`13:10.04`	`pelzi_`	`not sure, though`
`13:10.22`	`pelzi_`	`FaithX: openvpn and ppp are the only things widely using tun ;)`
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`13:14.14`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`13:14.14`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
`13:14.14`	`tralala`	`!qotd0`
`13:14.14`	`dpkg`	`< justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp.`
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`13:14.29`	`Mazingaro`	`hi`
`13:14.41`	`Lulz`	`Is it normal that sarge netinstall uses _12_ hours to create 9% of the / partition?`
`13:14.42`	`Mazingaro`	`may I use a dfe528tx with debian?`
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`13:15.00`	`tralala`	`Lulz: not by far`
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`13:15.27`	`tralala`	`Mazingaro: you have my permission`
`13:15.31`	`nethenson`	`hello`
`13:15.48`	`Lulz`	`Is something wrong then? Should I restart it, or do I need a new ISO?`
`13:15.57`	`pelzi_`	`what hardware?`
`13:16.16`	`Mazingaro`	`tralala: tx`
`13:16.23`	`tralala`	`sure`
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`13:16.38`	`guven`	`pelzi_: its not possible to configure ADSL with the debian-installer`
`13:17.02`	`guven`	`pelzi_: pppoeconf is not on the cd`
`13:17.12`	`pelzi_`	`afaik the installer has pppoe, oh well, I don't know`
`13:17.22`	`pelzi_`	`is it the businesscard or netinst or what`
`13:17.48`	`tralala`	`I suppose now is a perfect time to check the install guide`
`13:18.01`	`jooopyme`	`Hi, I try to find a package that will contain MySql.Data.dll . this is a connector from Mono to Mysql.`
`13:18.16`	`tarzeau`	`jooopyme: tried google + "index of /" ?`
`13:18.38`	`tralala`	`jooopyme: and you ask here because you happen to have a friend who runs debian?`
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`13:19.59`	`zl2tod`	`I'm having a bit of grief with modconf ... when I select kernel/drivers/net an empty "please wait" box comes up for a few seconds and then I land back in the main screen ... all others I've tried seem to work ... any ideas ?`
`13:21.14`	`zl2tod`	`that's possible ... what's the preferred method these days ?`
`13:21.32`	`lunitik`	`Actually... I think I ran it once... looked at the interface... and decided searching Google was better`
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`13:22.18`	`zl2tod`	`heh - well it's half a step better than dselect ;)`
`13:22.22`	`lunitik`	`zl2tod: lspci ... the device you want... search google for it and stick 'linux module' on the end...`
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`13:23.29`	`lunitik`	`zl2tod: chances are, if you're using a modern kernel with udev/hotplug/etc ... your network card isn't supported if its not detected`
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`13:24.03`	`lunitik`	`zl2tod: thats a strange thing to hiccup on on a UNIX box... wireless NIC?`
`13:24.09`	`cydork`	`zl2tod: tried modprobe?`
`13:24.43`	`lunitik`	`cydork: still needs to do what I said to actually figure out the module ;)`
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`13:25.22`	`zl2tod`	`it's a supported nic, it's installed, wol aint working on it, I was looking for a different driver for it (which isn't in the stock kernels), i'm just covering my bases before I file a bug against modconf`
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`13:25.39`	`pelzi_`	`wol?`
`13:25.46`	`zl2tod`	`wake on lan`
`13:25.54`	`pelzi_`	`afaik that has nothing to do with the driver really`
`13:26.03`	`pelzi_`	`see bios, try enabling it using ethtool`
`13:26.05`	`cydork`	`zl2tod: checked bios?`
`13:26.13`	`pelzi_`	`be sure the wire is installed if needed`
`13:26.15`	`Braindead`	`zl2tod: is it a 3x90c (cannot remeber exactly the module name) or Vortex card?`
`13:26.17`	`zl2tod`	`yeah yeah yeah ... I know all that`
`13:26.24`	`zl2tod`	`I am asking about a bug in modconf`
`13:26.34`	`zl2tod`	`Braindead, yes`
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`13:26.49`	`pelzi_`	`...`
`13:26.52`	`Braindead`	`lunitik: there really were some issue with some cards,it just needed a module parameter I cannot remember`
`13:26.54`	`pelzi_`	`a braindead answer`
`13:27.16`	`Braindead`	`yay! I nailed the problem \o.`
`13:27.16`	`GillaGal`	`Is there no kernel image under 2.6 - 386 with SMP?`
`13:27.17`	`tralala`	`zl2tod: you don't usually anser an "a or b" question with yes`
`13:27.30`	`lunitik`	`Braindead: issue related to linux want wakeonlan?`
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`13:27.43`	`pelzi_`	`the NIC driver could disable WOL.`
`13:27.57`	`Braindead`	`tralala: it was an a or a answer,I just couldn't remember the module name and I went for the family name`
`13:28.00`	`tralala`	`GillaGal: isn't apt finding any?`
`13:28.34`	`cydork`	`GillaGal: looking for 2.6.17 smp kernel?`
`13:28.53`	`tralala`	`oh, okay`
`13:29.00`	`Braindead`	`lunitik: yeah,the module had to be loaded with some additional parameters/some trick I cannot remember. I had such NIC on the workstation I used on my previous job`
`13:29.01`	`GillaGal`	`tralala nothing under 386 with smp`
`13:29.06`	`lunitik`	`Braindead: 3c90x perhaps... most popular 3com is 3c59x`
`13:29.10`	`GillaGal`	`cydork sure.`
`13:29.21`	`GillaGal`	`anything that is 2.6 386 with smp`
`13:29.28`	`tralala`	`in 2.6.17 everything is smp`
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`13:29.44`	`pelzi_`	`I have some 3c59x's and some more 3c905C's`
`13:29.48`	`lunitik`	`tralala: huh? how is that possible?`
`13:30.02`	`pelzi_`	`well there are no UMP kernels`
`13:30.02`	`GillaGal`	`Mmm it doesn't explicity state SMP like the other 2.6 686 kernel images do though.`
`13:30.06`	`pelzi_`	`all are smp`
`13:30.31`	`tralala`	`lunitik: either the kernel now has the smp support always on or the debian kernel guys are compiling it this way`
`13:30.33`	`lunitik`	`pelzi_: surely thats 3c905 or 3c90x ? never seen a module by that name (yes I'm just being nitpicky)`
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`13:30.53`	`pelzi_`	`I guess it's because HT / dual cores...`
`13:31.05`	`pelzi_`	`lunitik: yep, 905C is the model, 90x the module I guess`
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`13:31.19`	`pelzi_`	`point :P`
`13:31.28`	`pelzi_`	`that was a brain-fart of all brain-farts`
`13:31.47`	`grendelson`	`one" But it fails when there are spaces in the names! Where do I use """ to keep the names as real names?`
`13:31.47`	`grendelson`	`Bash`
`13:31.47`	`pelzi_`	`the*`
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`13:31.55`	`john_doe`	`I need a secure smtp server. What should I install to be able to send mail through it from remote clients? I have ssmtp installed but it does not respond from clients. it works with normal smtp.`
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`13:32.07`	`grendelson`	I want to do "for i in `ls *.txt`;do echo $i; done" But it fails when there are spaces in the names! Where do I use """ to keep the names as real names?
`13:32.19`	`pelzi_`	"`foo`"
`13:32.26`	`john_doe`	`maybe I should also tell that secure imap works...`
`13:32.28`	`pelzi_`	`or "$(foo)"`
`13:32.28`	`anarcat`	`grendelson: echo "$i"`
`13:32.40`	`tralala`	`pelzi_: you sure this works?`
`13:32.46`	`pelzi_`	`not sure.`
`13:32.54`	`pelzi_`	`I come with no warranty`
`13:33.01`	`grendelson`	`anarcat, I thought so but it still produces each word in multi word name as an individual line ;-(`
`13:33.03`	`anarcat`	`or actually: find . -name '*.txt' \| while read i ; do echo "$i"; done`
`13:33.08`	`pelzi_`	`of course, the ls is useless.`
`13:33.16`	`pelzi_`	`for i in *.txt; do foo; done`
`13:33.19`	`tralala`	`I don't think you can use for with names having spaces`
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`13:33.27`	`lunitik`	`john_doe: if you want to use external smtp servers... ssmtp is your best (easiest) option... mutt will work with ssmtp ... GUI clients won't, but can simply use the actual server directly`
`13:33.30`	`cydork`	`pelzi_: it wont work.`
`13:33.36`	`GillaGal`	`The newest 2.6 kernel image shown in Aptitude is 2.6.8-2 386... there is a 686 with SMP, but I want to try 386.`
`13:33.37`	`tralala`	`I mean for and $(cmd)`
`13:33.47`	`pelzi_`	`bah, use find and -exec :P`
`13:34.17`	`tralala`	`GillaGal: perhaps there isn't 386-smp support`
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`13:34.20`	`possie`	`i would like to configure apt with a proxy, during installation of debian, dpkg asks for it, now i would like to get that dialog again, i thought dpkg-reconfigure apt would do this, but it doesn't, anyone know how todo this?`
`13:34.22`	`lunitik`	`GillaGal: you didn't install with 'linux26'? I'm not sure where you're confused though?`
`13:34.26`	`john_doe`	`lunitik: If gui clients use "the actual server directly" it will not be secure.`
`13:34.33`	`abrotman`	`tralala: there isn't`
`13:34.38`	`GillaGal`	`linux26?`
`13:34.38`	`pelzi_`	`possie: apt-setup ?`
`13:34.42`	`abrotman`	`GillaGal: why do you want 386-smp ?`
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`13:34.53`	`anarcat`	`i have trouble authenticating the libgpod packages from debian-multimedia.org even after i imported Marillat's key in APT`
`13:34.57`	`anarcat`	`anyone else having this problem?`
`13:35.08`	`abrotman`	`did you run apt-get update after ytou did it ?`
`13:35.09`	`GillaGal`	`well how do I know if I need 386 or 686?`
`13:35.13`	`lunitik`	`john_doe: the client will use whatever method of authorization the server supports... just as secure as ssmtp in WORST CASE scenarios`
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`13:35.18`	`pelzi_`	`GillaGal: use 686`
`13:35.23`	`Braindead`	`zl2tod: enable_wol=1 as a module parameter`
`13:35.26`	`pelzi_`	`GillaGal: if you have smp, it can't be anything older`
`13:35.31`	`possie`	`pelzi_, thanks!`
`13:35.46`	`possie`	`pelzi_, ow that does not ask for the proxy server`
`13:35.48`	`anarcat`	`abrotman: yes`
`13:35.51`	`tralala`	`GillaGal: if there isn't 386-smp then you don't need it ;)`
`13:35.51`	`GillaGal`	`ok... and what is linux26?`
`13:35.57`	`GillaGal`	`ok`
`13:35.58`	`john_doe`	`lunitik: Yes, that's why I want the server to support secure smtp.`
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`13:36.02`	`anarcat`	`well, aptitude -u`
`13:36.16`	`lunitik`	`GillaGal: its an install option to install linux 2.6 by default... bit late for that :P`
`13:36.21`	`DlRotaru`	`hello. I had a program in my Gnome menu and i have just uninstalled it and purged it but it still appears in the menu. What to do to remove it for good?`
`13:36.41`	`lunitik`	`john_doe: ok... ssmtp and most other clients will support using SSL :/`
`13:36.53`	`tralala`	`DlRotaru: update-menus?`
`13:36.57`	`anarcat`	`hmmmm!!! that is odd... apt-get works, but aptitude -u didn't, thanks abrotman`
`13:37.05`	`anarcat`	`isn't this a bug?`
`13:37.12`	`zl2tod`	`thanks very much Braindead (and I'll file a bug against modconf)`
`13:37.29`	`john_doe`	`lunitik: ok, great. But it seems that the server does not listen on this.`
`13:37.39`	`lunitik`	`!info modconf sid`
`13:37.44`	`dpkg`	`modconf: (Device Driver Configuration), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.0 (sid), Packaged size: 1328 kB, Installed size: 4928 kB`
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`13:37.58`	`lunitik`	`john_doe: then no matter what you do, it won't be secure`
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`13:38.09`	`d0uglas`	`GillaGal: how did you wind up in this channel if you don't know what linux is?`
`13:38.13`	`DlRotaru`	`tralala, it still is there. I could go and uncheck the Show checkbox near the program, but this way it will still exist but only it will be hidden, right?`
`13:38.25`	`john_doe`	`lunitik: I want to learn how to make the server respond on these requests on port 465....`
`13:38.46`	`lunitik`	`john_doe: umm... thats not really a question for #debian`
`13:38.50`	`GillaGal`	`d0uglas Better question.... how did you end up on the internet if you cannot ever READ?`
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`13:39.04`	`GillaGal`	`Show me where I said I don't know what Linux is...`
`13:39.06`	`lunitik`	`john_doe: go read the SMTP server's docs... and come back with specific questions`
`13:39.16`	`john_doe`	`lunitik: ok, thanks`
`13:39.21`	`d0uglas`	`GillaGal: woah i didn't mean to sound hostile, just joined the channel and all i saw was your question`
`13:39.27`	`d0uglas`	`and i'm curious`
`13:39.46`	`d0uglas`	`<GillaGal> ok... and what is linux26?`
`13:39.48`	`d0uglas`	`ohhh`
`13:39.50`	`d0uglas`	`2.6`
`13:39.54`	`GillaGal`	`d0uglas: yet again.... you can't read. I said Linux26, not Linux.`
`13:40.00`	`d0uglas`	`forgiveness please`
`13:40.12`	`tralala`	`!forgive d0uglas`
`13:40.13`	`dpkg`	`Well, d0uglas boy, I guess I could do that. But I believe forgiving is God's job, I'm just arranging the meeting. blows d0uglas head apart with .44 magnum`
`13:40.13`	`pelzi_`	`linux26's a kernel.`
`13:40.29`	`tralala`	`ops`
`13:41.17`	`tralala`	`who would've thought dpkg is so violent`
`13:41.20`	`lunitik`	`pelzi_: no... its an install option... and I already said this to GillaGal ...`
`13:41.31`	`pelzi_`	`lunitik: it was sarcasm ;)`
`13:41.39`	`lunitik`	`!punish tralala`
`13:41.47`	`tralala`	`ouch`
`13:42.00`	`d0uglas`	`dpkg is very sassy`
`13:42.35`	`grendelson`	`Wow that is some find command to get taht to work! find ./ -maxdepth 1 -name '*.par2' -type f -print -exec par2repair '{}' \;`
`13:42.36`	`lunitik`	`!sacrifice d0uglas`
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`13:43.18`	`d0uglas`	`i would love to know how you learned how to talk to dpkg so fluently`
`13:43.23`	`grendelson`	Seem like for i in `ls *.par2`; do par2repair "$i" ;done is easier but those darn spaces!
`13:43.27`	`d0uglas`	`i feel like i'm missing out`
`13:43.57`	`doublehp`	`tralala: he'snt violent; he's arranging a meeting !`
`13:44.04`	`tralala`	`grendelson: rename 's/ /_/g' *.par2; for ...`
`13:44.21`	`pelzi_`	`nah`
`13:44.36`	`pelzi_`	`set IFS='\n'`
`13:44.40`	`pelzi_`	`then use ls -1`
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`13:44.56`	`pelzi_`	`or just find.`
`13:44.59`	`doublehp`	`!tell d0uglas about help`
`13:45.00`	`tralala`	`pelzi_: won't help`
`13:45.13`	`pelzi_`	`why?`
`13:45.25`	`abrotman`	`who killed the bot!`
`13:45.32`	`grendelson`	`tralala, Oh rename all spaces to _ char first! I see that's an option...`
`13:45.34`	`d0uglas`	`wow i've never seen that happen`
`13:45.38`	`tralala`	`doublehp did!`
`13:45.42`	`d0uglas`	`all i did was ask for help, once`
`13:45.52`	`grendelson`	`THe find does work thought . AND The options I feel like I'm reading cdrecord man page al lover again :-)`
`13:46.13`	`tralala`	`pelzi_: oh, IFS... well it might`
`13:46.23`	`grendelson`	`s/al lover/all over/ But eother could be right I reckon :-)`
`13:46.23`	`doublehp`	`hell, he not only left rom`
`13:46.23`	`doublehp`	`hell, he not only left room, but also server !`
`13:46.25`	`d0uglas`	`dpkg had enough of my lame questions, couldn't take it anymore`
`13:46.44`	`grendelson`	`pelzi_, IFS?`
`13:46.47`	`d0uglas`	`apt seems to be alive and well`
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`13:46.56`	`lunitik`	`!!`
`13:47.00`	`d0uglas`	`not sure how dpkg took over apt`
`13:47.00`	`tralala`	`InputFieldSeparator`
`13:47.00`	`pelzi_`	`can't explain, see google`
`13:47.03`	`nethenson`	`grendelson: have you tried something like find . -maxdepth -exec foobar {} \;`
`13:47.09`	`pelzi_`	`IFS is used by the shell.`
`13:47.27`	`grendelson`	`nethenson, Oh yes find was the key - but I know I made for do done work as well cant recall how though ...`
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`13:48.17`	`pelzi_`	`why wouldn't for i in *.par2; do foo; done work`
`13:48.42`	`grendelson`	`pelzi_, The names of the par2 files ahve spaces`
`13:48.46`	`pelzi_`	`so?`
`13:48.51`	`nethenson`	`IFS=$(echo -e '\n\r'); for i in $(ls); do echo - $i - ; done`
`13:48.52`	`pelzi_`	`did you try it`
`13:48.52`	`d0uglas`	`so with framebuffer x can i install x without any video setup in order to vnc into a machine?`
`13:48.57`	`DlRotaru`	`really, what is the gnome desktop menu config. file?`
`13:48.57`	`grendelson`	`Each word is seen as a separate input to the :do`
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`13:49.08`	`pelzi_`	`it shouldn't.`
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`13:49.26`	`pelzi_`	`you tried and it failed or you guess?`
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`13:49.44`	`grendelson`	`pelzi_, Tried and failed - I used echo as the do and it shows each word on separate line`
`13:49.54`	`pelzi_`	`ok`
`13:49.59`	`pelzi_`	`I shall stand corrected`
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`13:50.29`	`tralala`	`it works fine here!`
`13:50.31`	`pelzi_`	`for i in *; do echo "$i"; done`
`13:50.35`	`pelzi_`	`that works for me`
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`13:50.46`	`tralala`	`even without the quotes`
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`13:50.50`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`13:50.56`	`pelzi_`	`echo works without quotes`
`13:50.59`	`grendelson`	pelzi_, I thought I had merely used " for i in `ls *.par2`:do echo "$i" ; done " to get the full name but that is not working now...
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`13:51.12`	`nethenson`	`but, it has problems with spaces in the namefile, pelzi_`
`13:51.12`	`pelzi_`	`why use ls`
`13:51.23`	`tralala`	grendelson: `ls` is pointless
`13:51.29`	`pelzi_`	`well how come it just printed stuf with spaces for me!`
`13:51.32`	`vorsprun1`	`grendelson, maybe ls is adding a newline to the filenames`
`13:51.47`	`tralala`	`not only it is pointless - it breaks everything`
`13:51.53`	`pelzi_`	`even ls *.par2 should break.`
`13:52.08`	`pelzi_`	`ls has no way to know what to list if *.par2 couldn't handle spaces`
`13:52.11`	`grendelson`	? Not sure - just trying to understand why the ls i spointless - you mean just " for i in `*.par2` : do : done?
`13:52.18`	`pelzi_`	`yes.`
`13:52.23`	`pelzi_`	`oh, NO`
`13:52.27`	`pelzi_`	`no backticks`
`13:52.28`	`pelzi_`	`dammit`
`13:52.30`	`nethenson`	`hum... true, the * instead of ls works!`
`13:52.34`	`pelzi_`	`can't you read`
`13:52.42`	`SpComb`	`` = eval
`13:52.43`	`cydork`	`!tell pelzi_ -about enter`
`13:52.49`	`grendelson`	`When I do " ls *.par2 " from cli it shows exactly 4 files each on separate line each name is correct with spaces`
`13:52.51`	`cydork`	`damn bot :P`
`13:53.09`	`possie`	`anyone know a good way to securly exchange passwords with multiple administrators?`
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`13:53.19`	`pelzi_`	`grendelson: and *.par2 is expanded by the shell`
`13:53.24`	`tralala`	grendelson: now try echo `ls *par2`
`13:53.28`	`cydork`	`possie: whispering?`
`13:53.28`	`grendelson`	`OH RIGHT I was using backticks - used to having to eval the ls`
`13:53.35`	`possie`	`cydork, lol ehhehe :-)`
`13:53.36`	`vorsprung`	`pelzi_, yes it is the ls that is adding a newline to the filenames`
`13:53.36`	`SpComb`	`possie: give each one their own?`
`13:53.57`	`vorsprung`	`pelzi_, so use * to glob or chop the newline off`
`13:54.09`	`d0uglas`	`yay dpkg signed on`
`13:54.14`	`pelzi_`	`yes, but *.par2 is the same as "file with spaces.par2" "another file with spaces.par2"`
`13:54.27`	`pelzi_`	`it works with spaces.`
`13:54.30`	`enouf`	`dpkg where were you`
`13:54.30`	`dpkg`	`I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE!`
`13:54.32`	`d0uglas`	`well, assuming this is him, <GillaGal> ok... and what is linux26?`
`13:54.39`	`d0uglas`	`wait i forgot to copy`
`13:54.41`	`d0uglas`	`damn konsole`
`13:54.43`	`SpComb`	`I hate it how bots have to identify to nickserv on here to be able to accept commands that way`
`13:54.52`	`d0uglas`	`dpkg!n=dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu at 09:52am`
`13:54.56`	`enouf`	`dpkg lovely .. glad you enjoyed yourself honey`
`13:55.05`	`d0uglas`	`oh`
`13:55.26`	`enouf`	`d0uglas: stop trying to break dpkg .. or she'll bitch slap you ass`
`13:55.33`	`tralala`	`vorsprung: I don't think newlines have anything to do with the problem`
`13:55.33`	`d0uglas`	`she??`
`13:55.36`	`possie`	`SpComb, well i would also like to use this mechanism to exchange "iLO" passwords, and other out-of-band management tools, also use it for other devices printers/routers/firewalls`
`13:55.41`	`FaithX`	`pelzi_: thanks btw...`
`13:55.41`	`enouf`	`To me .. she is`
`13:55.49`	`tralala`	`dpkg: gender`
`13:55.49`	`dpkg`	`I'm lesbian`
`13:55.50`	`FaithX`	`all better now`
`13:55.54`	`liable`	`SpComb: theres reasons why bots and shit work the way they do`
`13:55.54`	`enouf`	`hehe`
`13:55.58`	`cydork`	`hehe`
`13:56.07`	`Braindead`	`lesbian as in sexy lesbian or as in hairy lesbian?`
`13:56.07`	`pelzi_`	`can I flood?`
`13:56.14`	`grendelson`	OK I see now that I don't need to evaluate the ls in a for do done command -- the .par2 does exactly what I expected the `ls .par2` to do - Thanks
`13:56.21`	`Ronin`	`pelzi_: no please dont flood`
`13:56.25`	`vorsprung`	`pelzi_, tralala I am confused now as to what exactly the problem is :)`
`13:56.26`	`pelzi_`	`ok, I don't need to anymore :P`
`13:56.28`	`d0uglas`	`!dpkg lesbian`
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`13:56.36`	`enouf`	`Braindead: leave that question better unaswered`
`13:56.38`	`d0uglas`	`!dpkg porn-get`
`13:56.38`	`Ronin`	`d0uglas: you dont like /msg dpkg`
`13:56.41`	`enouf`	`+n`
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`13:56.50`	`d0uglas`	`all right ronin`
`13:57.18`	`pelzi_`	the conclusion: .par2 works, "`ls .par2`" is braindead and will not
`13:57.40`	`tralala`	`no, it doesn't`
`13:57.48`	`pelzi_`	`*.par2 should even handle newlines in files`
`13:58.13`	`pelzi_`	`don't forget argv is an array of strings`
`13:58.28`	`pelzi_`	`the shell separates the commands to different arguments, not the program itself`
`13:58.28`	`grendelson`	`pelzi_, Ahh that makes it clearer`
`13:58.54`	`tralala`	"`ls *.par2`" makes one big string of all the par2 stuff
`13:59.04`	`grendelson`	`I must have gotten used to ls *.par2 when the files had no spaces...`
`13:59.09`	`grendelson`	`THen with spaces - break`
`13:59.10`	`pelzi_`	`yes.`
`13:59.32`	`pelzi_`	`and with newlines, the ls method will always break.`
`13:59.40`	`tralala`	`grendelson: using ls with for only makes sense if you use sort options of ls`
`13:59.46`	`grendelson`	`tralala, I shoudl have realized when I saw the output was all one line instead of each filename on a separate line. I`
`14:00.05`	`pelzi_`	actually, "`ls .par2`" should also break, but `ls .par2` work.
`14:00.13`	`grendelson`	`tralala, Good to know - I'll keep that in mind (maybe even write it down :-)`
`14:00.33`	`pelzi_`	`yes.`
`14:00.39`	`grendelson`	pelzi_, 1ls *.par2` is waht I was using but it broke each word into new line...
`14:00.40`	`pelzi_`	`and always remember files with newlines ;)`
`14:00.52`	`tralala`	`and even then you have problems with spaces, newlines and possibly - and --`
`14:01.04`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`14:01.07`	`tralala`	`oh, and many others actually`
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`14:01.23`	`grendelson`	`Each day is another lesson in shell and regex wow`
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`14:01.42`	`pelzi_`	grendelson: "`ls foo`" would make the program look for one file with the name of all the names of the files separated by spaces ;)
`14:01.43`	`grendelson`	`But it gets a little easier each time...`
`14:01.57`	`grendelson`	`pelzi_, Not what was intended :-)`
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`14:02.19`	`pelzi_`	`ls foo` would break the arguments at whitespace - better, but still broken
`14:02.28`	`tralala`	`grendelson: if you have filenames with funny characters you go for find or rename`
`14:02.49`	`grendelson`	`pelzi_, Right now I understand that seeing all my files on one line is a BAD thing... I shoudl have notinced that immediately...`
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`14:03.01`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`14:03.13`	`grendelson`	`tralala, OK so find still has good uses (I think I read -print0 or the like for funny characters...`
`14:03.25`	`pelzi_`	`-print0 is good`
`14:03.35`	`pelzi_`	`but support is not very widespread :(`
`14:03.36`	`tralala`	`print0 is when you use xargs instead of exec`
`14:03.42`	`grendelson`	`OH I meant -xargs -0 /bin/foo -f`
`14:04.11`	`pelzi_`	`tralala: actually, couldn't you specify IFS="\0" ;)`
`14:04.21`	`tralala`	`blah`
`14:04.21`	`grendelson`	`OK SO -print then a pipe \| then -xargs or 2) no print use no pipe and -exec is that right?`
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`14:04.34`	`pelzi_`	`depends on the shell's implementation...`
`14:05.01`	`grendelson`	`OK I have more MAN pages to read:-)`
`14:05.06`	`tralala`	`grendelson: -print0 \| xargs -0 or no print -exec`
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`14:05.37`	`grendelson`	`tralala, More concisely put`
`14:06.07`	`grendelson`	`tralala, Simple reason (if possible) why use -xargs vs -exec?`
`14:06.46`	`tralala`	`xargs is better for copying - it will copy all the files with one cp command instead of copying them one by one which is what -exec will do`
`14:07.23`	`pelzi_`	`didn't xargs exist just for the argument length problem?`
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`14:07.46`	`grendelson`	`tralala, AHH so when expanded -xzrgs does cp file1 file 2file3 DIR/ BUT -exec does cp file1; cp file2; cp file3 etc`
`14:08.05`	`tralala`	`yes`
`14:08.52`	`grendelson`	`Got it - thanks so much for the patient explanations - I had a good feeling about scripting but now I really 'understand' what the shell was doing - shoudl be easier to remember the correct cmd now...`
`14:09.01`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`14:09.07`	`grendelson`	`when it doesnt do what I want...`
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`14:09.16`	`pelzi_`	`try writing a program that parses command line args`
`14:09.28`	`pelzi_`	`then you'll experiment until you know how it goes...`
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`14:09.44`	`grendelson`	`pelzi_, do it all the time in my C++ programming... but take advantage of the argv argc`
`14:09.50`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`14:10.17`	`jelly`	`grendelson: you have argc in shell too, it's called $#`
`14:10.20`	`dutche-`	`does anybody have some problem with running amarok in Etch? Cuz my amarok seems to be ok, but it doesn't run with a simple user, it crashed, but when I start with a super user, it works`
`14:10.36`	`pelzi_`	`but doing it smartly needs knowledge of how "foo bar foobar" in the shell turns into 3 and an array with "foo", "bar" and "foobar"`
`14:10.40`	`grendelson`	`jelly, You know I knew that but had not put the 2 together as being identical in purpose til jsut now...`
`14:10.42`	`dutche-`	`once, it showed me something about libpthread , but I donno`
`14:11.26`	`tralala`	`have fun boys (and dpkg)!`
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`14:12.52`	`dutche-`	`and I cant try to use amarokapp to debug it, cuz I cant found it`
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`14:22.09`	`cydork`	`!qotd0`
`14:22.10`	`dpkg`	`methinks qotd34 is < primoturbo> how do I delete linux? < primoturbo> how do I delete debain and get something else < AciD> primoturbo > rm-rf / < primoturbo> Should I try OpenBSD? < asg> primoturbo: hahah`
`14:22.38`	`Bhavesh`	`good morning/afternoon/evening/night depending on where you are`
`14:23.02`	`pelzi_`	`obsd is actually pretty easy to use, but spartan too`
`14:23.28`	`pelzi_`	`but I like the stability and code quality requirements`
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`14:27.48`	`SpeedyG`	`hey guys, i've got a running kubuntu on my desktop at this moment, but i'd like to remove it and install debian on it.. but would I have to reinstall grub, or just reconfig grub to boot debian?`
`14:28.10`	`pelzi_`	`probably easier to reinstall`
`14:28.22`	`Ronin`	`SpeedyG: just put in the debian disk and reinstall/install debian`
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`14:28.31`	`azeem`	`SpeedyG: you could still have both installed side-by-side`
`14:28.37`	`Ronin`	`after backing up anything you want to save of course, or dual boot`
`14:28.43`	`azeem`	`SpeedyG: but if not, reinstalling grub is easier`
`14:28.44`	`Ronin`	`if you have the room`
`14:28.44`	`SpeedyG`	`and, is it a problem to install debian i386 on an amd64 machine? no problem right?`
`14:28.58`	`jelly`	`SpeedyG: right.`
`14:29.07`	`SpeedyG`	`Ronin: thats why I wanna save grub mostly the way it is.. its a dualboot with windows`
`14:29.19`	`pelzi_`	`save the menu.lst`
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`14:29.28`	`pelzi_`	`that will allow you to boot win`
`14:29.33`	`jelly`	`infernixx: there's a beta for linux available?`
`14:29.38`	`infernixx`	`yes!`
`14:29.39`	`pelzi_`	`and yes, i386 is recommended`
`14:29.41`	`cydork`	`SpeedyG: debian installer will take care of that.`
`14:29.51`	`infernixx`	`flash 9 beta for linux is available`
`14:29.54`	`SpeedyG`	`cydork: it detects windows as easily as ubuntu did? :)`
`14:30.02`	`jelly`	`infernixx: that deservers a w00t!`
`14:30.08`	`jelly`	`w00t!`
`14:30.09`	`cydork`	`SpeedyG: yep`
`14:30.12`	`infernixx`	`:)`
`14:30.17`	`SpeedyG`	`ok :) then I guess there wont be any problem`
`14:30.20`	`pelzi_`	`usually it does.`
`14:30.22`	`cydork`	`jelly: you watch flash porn dont you :P`
`14:30.34`	`SpeedyG`	`crappy ubuntu came with too many broken packages and dependencies..`
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`14:30.51`	`jelly`	`cydork: what? No, my porn is strictly in avi and wmv containers. ;-)`
`14:30.53`	`Jemt`	`Greetz. I really need help. I move from Ubuntu to Debian some months ago because the new Dapper frooze 2-4 times a day. A few weeks ago my Debian started to do the exact same thing. Can someone please help me? I'm desperat. I'm actually considering buying a Mac :-/`
`14:30.56`	`infernixx`	`jelly, http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/`
`14:30.58`	`Jemt`	`moved*`
`14:31.09`	`pelzi_`	`Jemt: memtest86+`
`14:31.18`	`pelzi_`	`apt-get it and run it`
`14:31.26`	`cydork`	`jelly: hehe`
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`14:31.43`	`Jemt`	`pelzi_: It's not a memory fault. I have already checked it with memTest`
`14:32.15`	`SpeedyG`	`jelly: isnt that the way pron should be?`
`14:32.15`	`pelzi_`	`what kind of hardware`
`14:32.15`	`cydork`	`Jemt: which version of debian?`
`14:32.15`	`SpeedyG`	`avi/wmv, and nothing else ;)`
`14:32.21`	`liable`	`Jemt: sounds like you better get that mac then`
`14:32.30`	`jelly`	`SpeedyG: well, I'd prefer live action rpg... shrug`
`14:32.45`	`SpeedyG`	`jelly: live action rpg.. you're into nurse-suits and stuff? :P`
`14:33.28`	`Jemt`	`cydork: I installed from the CD from debian.org, switched to Testing, performed a dist-upgrade, and installed everything else from testing - including kernel 2.6.17-2-686`
`14:33.43`	`jelly`	`SpeedyG: Not really, I'm flexible that way. Er, no pun intended.`
`14:33.50`	`SpeedyG`	`haha :P`
`14:33.52`	`infernixx`	`jemt: define "freeze". hard lockup? kernel panic? load going up to 1000?`
`14:34.03`	`Jemt`	`Total lockup`
`14:34.11`	`Jemt`	`I haft to hard-reset the computer`
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`14:34.16`	`infernixx`	`Jemt, graphic corruption in X? is the machine pingable when it locked up?`
`14:34.17`	`Jemt`	`Well, actually I turn it off`
`14:34.28`	`SpeedyG`	`btw, the load.. whats it given in.. percentages or someth?`
`14:34.29`	`Jemt`	`No, not pingable, nor can I access it using SSH`
`14:34.58`	`liable`	`no link with kernel versions?`
`14:35.12`	`infernixx`	`Jemt: probably a hardware problem. run memtest86+. check cpu temperature. maybe your mainboard is broken, or an addon card.`
`14:35.24`	`pelzi_`	`underclock your memory.`
`14:35.36`	`pelzi_`	`I solved a freezing AMD64 that way just yesterday`
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`14:35.45`	`pelzi_`	`DDR400 to DDR333, and stable it has become.`
`14:35.49`	`Jemt`	`I'm 100% sure my computer is working. It works perfectly with Mandriva, SuSE and Windows. But I want Debian :-(`
`14:36.14`	`pelzi_`	`try different kernels`
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`14:37.04`	`Jemt`	`pelzi_: Well, I have tryed both 2.6.16 and .17 :-/`
`14:37.23`	`pelzi_`	`what do the working OSes use`
`14:37.29`	`Jemt`	`It started a month ago or so. Maybe it's a bug in an updated package`
`14:37.39`	`Jemt`	`pelzi_: 2.6.16`
`14:37.50`	`pelzi_`	`do you get it without X?`
`14:37.59`	`pelzi_`	`which display card and driver?`
`14:38.04`	`Jemt`	`Nope, havn't expirenced problems in a console`
`14:38.06`	`Jemt`	`ATI`
`14:38.09`	`SpeedyG`	`what are the arguments to run unstable/testing`
`14:38.18`	`pelzi_`	`try without the binary blob?`
`14:38.31`	`Jemt`	`more recent versions of software ? I don't want software from stable - it's like 10 years old`
`14:38.33`	`cydork`	`Jemt: which driver are you using? ati one?`
`14:38.38`	`Jemt`	`pelzi_: Binary blob ?`
`14:38.42`	`Jemt`	`cydork: Yes, ATI`
`14:38.46`	`pelzi_`	`the ati binary driver`
`14:38.48`	`Jemt`	`'ati' in xorg.conf`
`14:38.52`	`pelzi_`	`oh`
`14:38.54`	`Jemt`	`pelzi_: Oh! :)`
`14:39.07`	`Jemt`	`Well, the open source worked fine previously`
`14:39.12`	`pelzi_`	`well, try the binary blob ;)`
`14:39.38`	`Jemt`	`I'll give it a try. Thanks`
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`14:39.54`	`Jemt`	`Oh, btw. How do I run memtest86 in Debian? I used a bootable CD last time`
`14:40.04`	`pelzi_`	`it is added to grub`
`14:40.17`	`liable`	`unlikely the ati driver supports a card that is supported with the oss driver`
`14:40.19`	`Jemt`	`Ok, though I could run it from within Debian`
`14:40.22`	`cydork`	`Jemt: install it ..`
`14:40.37`	`pelzi_`	`at least if enabled. $editor /boot/grub/menu.lst and you'll see the option to greate memtest entries`
`14:40.51`	`pelzi_`	`liable: hmm, point`
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`14:41.07`	`pelzi_`	`maybe try "vesa"`
`14:41.17`	`pelzi_`	`slow, but shouldn't crash`
`14:42.05`	`Jemt`	`pelzi_: I'll give Vesa a go first. I can always switch to Ati Binary later if it works. Thanks`
`14:42.27`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`14:43.03`	`Jemt`	`Thanks, I'll check in later if it dosn't work with Vesa :)`
`14:43.09`	`eastwood`	`can anyone explain why synaptic doesn't accept my root password and in konsole it works?`
`14:43.20`	`pelzi_`	`kdesu is broken`
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`14:44.54`	`eastwood`	`oh`
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`14:45.04`	`eastwood`	`was that for me?`
`14:45.07`	`pelzi_`	`yes.`
`14:45.16`	`eastwood`	`i'll try reinstall it`
`14:46.18`	`eastwood`	`: Couldn't find package kdesu`
`14:46.34`	`pelzi_`	`afaik the package is broken.`
`14:46.49`	`pelzi_`	`note, afaik.`
`14:46.52`	`pelzi_`	`I don't use kde`
`14:46.54`	`eastwood`	`in debian or in my system?`
`14:47.04`	`pelzi_`	`in debian (or kde, actually)`
`14:47.07`	`eastwood`	`there's no WM better than kde`
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`14:47.15`	`pelzi_`	`kde isn't a WM`
`14:47.22`	`pelzi_`	`and a matter of taste`
`14:47.34`	`eastwood`	`gnome has become too simple that it doesnt do what i need it to do`
`14:47.41`	`Ronin`	`pelzi_: symantics, eastwood theres tons better and worse then kde, its a personal taste thing`
`14:47.41`	`infernixx`	`!start a wm war`
`14:47.42`	`dpkg`	`metacity blows!`
`14:47.53`	`enouf`	`eastwood: don't use synaptic .. use aptitude from the CLI`
`14:48.00`	`pelzi_`	`well, I don't use gnome either.`
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`14:48.03`	`enouf`	`!DE`
`14:48.03`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)`
`14:48.10`	`pelzi_`	`and as I said it's a matter of taste`
`14:48.11`	`enouf`	`bah`
`14:48.35`	Sebboh`	`Hello. I used make-kpkg to make a kernel image package. Unfortunately, it has the exact same version string and such as my currently installed kernel. ..Is that a problem? Can I solve it without recompiling my kernel? (Because it takes two hours..)`
`14:49.46`	`astronaute`	`guys, is it possible to use debian as "media center" distrib on a pc plugged on TV only for watching movies and music (SSH access) and using remote control navigation ?`
`14:49.47`	`eastwood`	`hmm`
`14:49.49`	`Crysis`	`re pelzi_ how can I know my version if it is sarge please ? I dont renember the command`
`14:49.52`	`eastwood`	`seems kpackage is nice`
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`14:49.55`	`rgsteele`	Sebboh`: I think you can just edit the GRUB Menu
`14:49.59`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis: cat /etc/debian_version`
`14:50.13`	`rgsteele`	Sebboh`: But, don't quote me on that.
`14:50.26`	`liable`	Sebboh`: do you have another kernel you can boot into?
`14:50.28`	`rgsteele`	Sebboh`: You won't be able to rename the image
`14:50.40`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ now is is 3.1 ^^`
`14:50.45`	`cahoot`	Sebboh`: did the deb actually get the same suffix as the one you downloaded?
`14:50.49`	`rgsteele`	Sebboh`: But, I think you'll be able to give that entry a distinguishing characteristic
`14:50.58`	`liable`	`rgsteele: no, its the modules dir that fucks it up`
`14:51.07`	`rgsteele`	`liable: Ah`
`14:51.12`	`cydork`	`astronaute: mythtv and lirc`
`14:51.31`	`jindal`	`hullo guys, linuxdcpp segfaults while hashing files, am able to start it by removing its files frm my home directory...`
`14:51.40`	`rgsteele`	Sebboh`: Next time, use --append-to-version :)
`14:51.53`	`rgsteele`	Sebboh`: Try asking in #kernel
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`14:52.08`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ after installing I have done apt-get update and upgrade without touch sources.list is it good or bad ?`
`14:52.16`	`jindal`	`but linuxdcpp its useless without sharing files.. any suggestions?`
`14:52.24`	`pelzi_`	`Crysis: it should be ok`
`14:52.39`	`Crysis`	`okay`
`14:52.45`	Sebboh`	`ok. Yes, I've messed with --append-to-version and such, but ended up with a mess. #kernel, eh? Thanks. =)`
`14:52.53`	`pelzi_`	`jindal: clean the hash cache it uses (I do not use it but I guess it has one, you're on your own, look in your home)`
`14:53.13`	`rgsteele`	Sebboh`: You want something like this: make-kpkg --append-to-version=-testbox-custom kernel_image
`14:53.19`	`pelzi_`	`jindal: same thing happened to me with mldonkey, it corrupted some of its databases`
`14:53.29`	`Crysis`	`pelzi_ you do that when you reinstall ? or you never do apt-get upgrade ?`
`14:53.35`	`jindal`	`pelzi_, yeah on removing all files it works but again crashes on hashing files`
`14:53.41`	`pelzi_`	`I do upgrade periodically`
`14:53.48`	`jindal`	`oks`
`14:53.50`	`pelzi_`	`jindal: then it has a bug`
`14:54.04`	`Crysis`	`ok pelzi_ so it is ok :p I feared for reinstall XD`
`14:54.14`	`jindal`	`pelzi, shd i file a bug report then :)`
`14:54.19`	`pelzi_`	`probably.`
`14:54.21`	Sebboh`	`rgsteele, after I make one of those, how can I make another one with a new version? I want to replace my custom kernel when I make a new one, not just keep adding kernels.. :/`
`14:54.33`	`pelzi_`	Sebboh`: remove the old custom one
`14:54.44`	`pelzi_`	Sebboh`: if your kernel works, do not replace it, ever.
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`14:54.56`	`pelzi_`	Sebboh`: even if you replace it with a working one, murphy's law exists
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`14:55.42`	`rgsteele`	Sebboh`: If I were you, and you really wanted to build on an existing working kernel, I'd grab the source for the new kernel, do a "make oldconfig" and then a "make menuconfig"
`14:55.59`	Sebboh`	`pelzi, Thanks for the tip. How do I do versioning on my own custom packages, so that I can upgrade them instead of removing and replacing them?`
`14:56.25`	`pelzi_`	`just --append something different to them :)`
`14:56.52`	`rgsteele`	Sebboh`: I've got a kernel-building how-to, but it's on an intranet wiki
`14:56.56`	`pelzi_`	`I have only built a 2.4 kernel for a cranky box that needed manual fixing of a kernel bug... I don't know really`
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`14:57.33`	`rgsteele`	`Gah I'm so hungry is it lunchtime yet?!`
`14:57.39`	`jacquesmerde`	`quick question, can't find the answer on debian.org, what is the minimum ram needed to install debian from cd?`
`14:57.40`	`pelzi_`	`yes.`
`14:57.45`	`pelzi_`	`somewhere, that is.`
`14:58.02`	`pelzi_`	`jacquesmerde: 32m should be enough`
`14:58.03`	Sebboh`	`Suppose I wanted to throw these on a local mirror, and let my boxen get upgrades. Does this ficticious situation allow you to imagine that not everyone's needs are the same as yours? ;P`
`14:58.05`	`pelzi_`	`jacquesmerde: try it`
`14:58.13`	`rgsteele`	`In like 30 minutes, I'm getting something.`
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`14:58.33`	`enouf`	`it's always lunchtime "somewhere" .. hehe`
`14:58.39`	`enouf`	`and dinner too :-)`
`14:58.42`	Sebboh`	`It's also always happy hour!`
`14:58.48`	`rgsteele`	Sebboh`: Heh
`14:58.56`	`enouf`	`and Prime time for babydoll too`
`14:59.00`	`jacquesmerde`	`pelzi_: i've got 16...`
`14:59.12`	`pelzi_`	`jacquesmerde: it should work`
`14:59.16`	`pelzi_`	`but slowly.`
`14:59.22`	`enouf`	`16 happy hours?`
`14:59.27`	`enouf`	`wow .. nice`
`14:59.40`	`rgsteele`	`Man, 16 happy hours...I'd look forward to the sober moments.`
`14:59.54`	`rgsteele`	`Of course, I sort of did that during my undergrad.`
`15:00.36`	`jacquesmerde`	`pelzi_: screw speed. i'm more concerned about the installation cd needing to put more than 16meg into ram before hdd install`
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`15:00.53`	`pelzi_`	`jacquesmerde: it should boot. just try it.`
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`15:01.05`	`pelzi_`	`it will bomb early if it isn't enough`
`15:02.33`	`pelzi_`	`btw, does anyone know if the via rhine II is a good network card`
`15:02.45`	`SpeedyG`	`it's acceptable`
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`15:02.49`	`pelzi_`	`should I replace it with a 3com...`
`15:03.01`	`SpeedyG`	`depends on the load you expect on the machine`
`15:03.04`	`withaY`	`how can i change "ls -a" so that it prints .hidden files & directories first? i can't seem to find anything in man pages or bashrc/profile files on how to do it.`
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`15:03.08`	`sineer`	`hi!`
`15:03.10`	`pelzi_`	`a client machine.`
`15:03.29`	`SpeedyG`	`no heavy network traffic? via rhine II is good enough :)`
`15:03.33`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`15:03.44`	`withaY`	`(sorry, i'm coming from the OS X world and it's the one slight annoyance that i had gotten used to over there.)`
`15:03.47`	`SpeedyG`	`I started having issues with my via rhine when they upgraded my internet line from 10 to 100Mbit`
`15:04.01`	`SpeedyG`	`it caused a too heavy load on my pc`
`15:04.10`	`pelzi_`	`hmm.`
`15:04.17`	`pelzi_`	`I'll add a 3com on the next reboot`
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`15:04.26`	`SpeedyG`	`(but that was at constant downloading at +5MB/s)`
`15:04.27`	`pelzi_`	`if I see a difference I'll keep it`
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`15:04.43`	`vi-config`	`If anyone is building a debian / lighttpd / pound / mongrel server ... I kept getting a "Segmentation fault" when running pound, seems it must be installed before Lighttpd et al`
`15:04.46`	`sineer`	`how can I delete an inactive md array?`
`15:04.56`	`pelzi_`	`mdadm --stop`
`15:05.29`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: try ls -alt`
`15:05.47`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: If you want ls -a to automatically do a ls -alt, edit your .bashrc`
`15:06.00`	`withaY`	`rgsteele: that sorts by last modified.`
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`15:06.32`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: I misread your question`
`15:07.20`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: ls -an`
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`15:07.56`	`SpeedyG`	`-an doesnt do anything here`
`15:08.18`	`rgsteele`	`works over here`
`15:08.21`	`sineer`	`pelzi_, that seems to work (it remove the inactive array from my /proc/mdstat) however, when I try to create a New array with the two drives that were used by the array I've just stopped, I get sdc1 and sdd1 appears to be part of a raid array`
`15:08.36`	`rgsteele`	`-n, --numeric-uid-gid`
`15:08.38`	`rgsteele`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:08.43`	`pelzi_`	`sineer: mdadm --zero-superblock`
`15:08.45`	`sineer`	`and I can't get rid of this msg hence can't create a new array with these 2 drives... even if I reboot.. I've tried mdadm -r also`
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`15:09.10`	`sineer`	`pelzi_, sweet! it stopped bugging me.`
`15:09.14`	`vorsprung`	`withaY, ls -a\|perl -p -e 'print sort { s/\./AAAAAAA/; $a cmp $b;} <STDIN>'`
`15:09.14`	`sineer`	`but wait ar..`
`15:09.24`	`rgsteele`	`Bah, I misread the question again.`
`15:09.27`	`sineer`	`not it complains: mdadm: RUN_ARRAY failed: Invalid argument`
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`15:09.34`	`withaY`	`oy!`
`15:09.40`	`pelzi_`	`mdadm --force :P`
`15:09.47`	`sineer`	`pelzi_, ok.. I'll try :)`
`15:09.48`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: ls -a over here prints the . and .. first for me`
`15:10.11`	`withaY`	`hmmm...maybe OS X sorts this way due to it's default "natural sort" algorithm?`
`15:10.24`	`pelzi_`	`maybe locale dependent`
`15:10.25`	`vorsprung`	`rgsteele, how about .zoological`
`15:10.30`	`sineer`	`Peggerr, nop.. same error with --force in the flags :( I'm using this line: mdadm --create --force --verbose /dev/md1 -l1 -n2 -ayes /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1`
`15:10.42`	`sineer`	`mdadm: RUN_ARRAY failed: Invalid argument mdadm: stopped /dev/md1`
`15:10.43`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: Doesn't OSX have a free-bsd-ish core?`
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`15:10.58`	`pelzi_`	`try --auto=md`
`15:10.59`	`withaY`	`rgsteele: not just those, but things like .ssh, .gnome, .gconf, etc. too.`
`15:11.32`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: Again, ls -a lists those in alphabetical order`
`15:11.39`	`rgsteele`	`At least, on my Debian boxes`
`15:11.40`	`withaY`	`rgsteele: yes. emphasis on "core". whole lot of other stuff on top of that skeleton.`
`15:12.20`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: I'm sure it also depends on what shell you're using`
`15:12.24`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: I'm using bash`
`15:12.30`	`withaY`	`rgsteele: alphabetical, yes. but i would like ALL . file/directories before everything else.`
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`15:12.40`	`sineer`	`pelzi_, same error :(`
`15:12.48`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: They ARE ALL ALPHABETICAL, including the .'s`
`15:12.52`	`withaY`	`rgsteele: bash here, too. it's also the default on OS X.`
`15:13.25`	`rgsteele`	`drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Oct 19 11:11 .`
`15:13.26`	`rgsteele`	`drwxr-xr-x 117 root root 8192 Oct 11 12:43 ..`
`15:13.28`	`rgsteele`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 19 11:11 .foob`
`15:13.29`	`rgsteele`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1570 Oct 18 12:24 apache2.conf`
`15:13.38`	`rgsteele`	`that's the output of my ls -al`
`15:13.40`	`pelzi_`	`could well be libc`
`15:14.11`	`sineer`	`pelzi_, my libc? or your talking to someone else?`
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`15:14.25`	`withaY`	`rgsteele: here's what i'm looking for (in order)... .bashrc, .gnome, .ssh, bin, Desktop, Documents`
`15:14.25`	`pelzi_`	`i'm talking about the sorting.`
`15:14.56`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: I dunno man. That's exactly what my ls -al does.`
`15:15.20`	`sineer`	`kk.. well thanks for your help. You don't have any more clues as to why my raid array won't start and what that Invalid argument could be?`
`15:15.27`	`sineer`	`mdadm --create --force --verbose /dev/md1 -l1 -n2 -amd /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1`
`15:15.30`	`withaY`	`oh crap. i just saw yours. hmmm.`
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`15:15.45`	`pelzi_`	`sineer: see dmesg, no idea of anything else`
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`15:16.13`	`sineer`	`md: md1: raid array is not clean -- starting background reconstruction md: personality for level 1 is not loaded!`
`15:16.41`	`pelzi_`	`a stock kernel?`
`15:16.55`	`sineer`	`no. 2.6.18 that I've customized.`
`15:17.04`	`pelzi_`	`modprobe raid1`
`15:17.13`	`sineer`	`its built-in`
`15:17.32`	`pelzi_`	`hmm. no idea, then`
`15:17.48`	`sineer`	`oh shit! its not hehe`
`15:17.53`	`sineer`	`Thanks ALOT pelzi_ :) You rock man!`
`15:18.27`	`Crysis`	`Can I list all packages installed with apt-get ?`
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`15:18.36`	`pelzi_`	`dpkg --get-selections ?`
`15:18.42`	`Crysis`	`!info x-windows-system`
`15:18.52`	`pelzi_`	`no s`
`15:19.01`	`roby`	`apt is not upgrading openoffice.org-common, keeps saying that it was held back, why?`
`15:19.12`	`cydork`	`Crysis: dpkg -l\|grep ^ii`
`15:19.27`	`Crysis`	`yes pelzi_ I tryed with s because i thought I installed x-window but finally no ^^`
`15:19.31`	`lord_rob`	`roby: try aptitude`
`15:19.45`	`pelzi_`	`cydork: you lack COLUMNS=200`
`15:19.51`	`lord_rob`	`roby: probably a missing dependancy`
`15:20.14`	`cydork`	`pelzi_: if needed :)`
`15:20.22`	`cydork`	`roby: check with apt-get -s install`
`15:20.26`	`liable`	`roby: if you did a dist-upgrade, then its due to dependancy problems, as apt would tell you`
`15:20.57`	`cydork`	`roby: prolly it wants to remove something. apt-get upgrade doesn't remove anything.`
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`15:21.46`	`roby`	`i did do a dist-upgrade and it still said held back. aptitude works, it wanted to remove the old version first`
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`15:23.06`	`liable`	`show me the output from both`
`15:23.11`	`liable`	`paste it`
`15:23.24`	`Crysis`	`256 mo = 256000 ko ?`
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`15:23.37`	`pelzi_`	`no`
`15:23.40`	`withaY`	`rgsteele: i just figured it out. i had changed my LANG variable to a UTF8 one at some point. POSIX is the default and does it like your's.`
`15:23.48`	`delire`	`is it possible to netinstall from a USB stick?`
`15:23.53`	`pelzi_`	`yes.`
`15:24.11`	`delire`	`pelzi_: right. is this with the beta images on the debian page?`
`15:24.20`	`beardy`	`delire: As long as you can boot it you can do whatever you want.`
`15:24.21`	`liable`	`delire: yes the install guide covers it`
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`15:24.25`	`pelzi_`	`256 megabytes = 256 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 bytes`
`15:24.30`	`delire`	`liable: thanks`
`15:24.49`	`ShredZ`	`I put extra lines in my sources.list file on debian to get squeak from ftp.squeak.org but this doesn't seem to work, anyone using it ?`
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`15:26.36`	`d0uglas`	`my superkaramba freezes on add hot new stuff to desktop.. it used to work, well, barely.. tried to remove --purge it, popped it back in, same problem. Is there some config file i should be removing as well to start from scratch?`
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`15:27.50`	`h3sp4wn`	`d0uglas: confmiss confnew try that`
`15:28.07`	`d0uglas`	`h3s4wn: ok i'll try that, thanks`
`15:28.24`	`h3sp4wn`	`d0uglas: apt-get install --reinstall -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew foo`
`15:28.33`	`delire`	`does anyone know whether the netinstall image ships with the usbnet module?`
`15:28.50`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: Glad you got it straightened out :)`
`15:28.52`	`delire`	`ie. is it the same kernel as shipped with the CD ISO.`
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`15:29.40`	`withaY`	`rgsteele: thanks for your help. :)`
`15:30.09`	`d0uglas`	`h3sp4wn: do i want ; in between those or carriage returns?`
`15:30.33`	`rgsteele`	`withaY: Any time, sorry I couldn't have pointed you directly to LANG myself :)`
`15:30.40`	`h3sp4wn`	`d0uglas: replace foo with what package you want to reinstall`
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`15:31.13`	`withaY`	`rgsteele: no, no. my fault for always thinking that OS X does things in its own special way. i've gotta remember that it IS bsd at heart.`
`15:31.59`	`igor`	`hi all.. i having problems with ucf it always returning 1 instead 0 to do a simply: ucf --debconf-ok /var/lib/fontconfig/local.conf /etc/fonts/local.conf enabling -d didn't show anything better (using -d2 -d10 -d99)`
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`15:32.28`	`d0uglas`	`h3sp4wn: sorry, i'm a little slow... was that one big command, apt yadayada DPkg etc? or multiple commands?`
`15:32.40`	`azeem`	`d0uglas: hrm?`
`15:32.46`	`h3sp4wn`	`d0uglas: One command`
`15:32.49`	`d0uglas`	`ok`
`15:32.49`	`igor`	`d0uglas: what do you mean?`
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`15:33.16`	`d0uglas`	`igor, azeem: nevermind h3sp4wn's got me hooked up.. just trying to repair something`
`15:33.26`	`phealy`	`so I'm using amd64 unstable on my new laptop (core 2 duo) because I need to have vmware in 64 bit mode. I've gotten everything working to my satisfaction except one thing; occasionally keys will repeat themselves 3-4 times. It's not consistent (sometimes I can type a whole sentence, like this, without having a key repeat; sometimes I get four or five repeats in one word). I've tried using kbdrate, looking in the docs, and googling, and can't seem to get it to s`
`15:33.59`	`Crysis-Feax`	`phealy you use AMD64 etch ?`
`15:34.01`	`valdyn`	`phealy: using which kernel?`
`15:34.26`	`phealy`	`amd64 unstable, crysis, and linux-image-2.6.18-1-amd64, valdyn`
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`15:34.40`	`phealy`	`and I know, unstable is unstable :-P`
`15:34.44`	`valdyn`	`phealy: broken keyboard?`
`15:34.52`	`phealy`	`doesn't do it in windows`
`15:35.18`	`phealy`	`otherwise I would have suspected that :)`
`15:35.43`	`valdyn`	`that keyboard may still be broken i suppose, but i dont know your error`
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`15:36.00`	`valdyn`	`'atkbd.c: Keyboard on isa0060/serio0 reports too many keys pressed.' is a commmon keyboard bug but cought by the kernel`
`15:36.08`	`Crysis-Feax`	`phealy I have a core 2 duo and i tryed etch i386 which doesnt work but not AMD64, I thougt it is just for AMD, Now i am using sarge d-i backported image`
`15:36.18`	`d0uglas`	`h3sp4wn: Nice, it worked. You the man, thanks.`
`15:36.26`	`delire`	`would someone running an unadultered stable 2.6* kernel be so kind as to give me the output of 'modprobe -l \| grep usbnet'?`
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`15:36.47`	`valdyn`	`delire: most people dont have usbnet loaded`
`15:36.58`	`phealy`	`crysis, amd64 is for amd64/em64t, so any non-itanium intel processor works`
`15:36.59`	`d0uglas`	`delire: /lib/modules/2.6.18-1-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/net/usbnet.ko`
`15:37.12`	`delire`	`d0uglas: thankyou very much. good news.`
`15:37.19`	`d0uglas`	`good news?`
`15:37.27`	`delire`	`valdyn: that command will just tell me whether it exists, not whether it is loaded.`
`15:37.32`	`delire`	`d0uglas: yes.`
`15:37.32`	`riot`	`Good News everyone!`
`15:37.32`	`pelzi_`	`he said "stable"`
`15:37.36`	`valdyn`	`delire: noticed`
`15:37.54`	`wols`	`Crysis-Feax: your problem won't change with amd64. it's a chipset problem, not a cpu one`
`15:37.56`	`unixslut`	`yo`
`15:38.02`	`delire`	`d0uglas: is that the 'stable' kernel?`
`15:38.03`	`isofunk`	`sup?`
`15:38.03`	`kanedaddy`	`hey`
`15:38.04`	`d0uglas`	`oh i thought by stable he meant the adjective not the dist`
`15:38.09`	`d0uglas`	`delire: i guess not, sorry`
`15:38.14`	`d0uglas`	`<-- idiot`
`15:38.26`	`delire`	`d0uglas: no, i need a 2.6 kernel shipped with 3.1`
`15:38.27`	`wols`	`delire: get a sarge kernel, look int /boot/config-2.6.8, done`
`15:38.35`	`azeem`	`!find usbnet.ko stable`
`15:38.42`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usbnet.ko' returned no results.`
`15:38.47`	`pelzi_`	`try .o`
`15:38.57`	`wols`	`pelzi_: 2.6 module...`
`15:39.04`	`pelzi_`	`yep`
`15:39.04`	`delire`	`!find usbnet.o stable`
`15:39.11`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usbnet.o' returned no results.`
`15:39.23`	`delire`	`damn. no net install for me then.`
`15:39.29`	`pelzi_`	`!find usbnet stable`
`15:39.34`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usbnet' returned no results.`
`15:39.57`	`azeem`	`actually`
`15:40.01`	`azeem`	`delire: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=usbnet.ko&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386`
`15:40.07`	`d0uglas`	`delire: parenthetically, i admire someone who can resist the temptation to use sid.. very responsible of you`
`15:40.08`	`liable`	`its in my 2.6.8..`
`15:40.38`	`delire`	`d0uglas: no, i'll move it to testing shortly afterward. i just need to be able to complete a netinstall using a USB DSL modem/router.`
`15:40.50`	`d0uglas`	`... well, same goes for testing`
`15:40.54`	`valdyn`	`delire: dpkg is broken obviously`
`15:41.12`	`valdyn`	`!find usbnet.ko sarge`
`15:41.19`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usbnet.ko' returned no results.`
`15:41.19`	`delire`	`azeem: hey, thanks. i wasn't aware modules were listed on packages.debian.org`
`15:41.25`	`delire`	`valdyn: seems so..`
`15:41.29`	`azeem`	`delire: all files are`
`15:41.37`	`azeem`	`modules are files when it comes down to it`
`15:41.38`	`liable`	`dpkg searches package files, dunno about kernel modules.. (even though technically they are package files)`
`15:41.38`	`dpkg`	`liable: what are you talking about?`
`15:41.41`	`unixslut`	`not sure`
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`15:41.46`	`kanedaddy`	`interest`
`15:41.47`	`liable`	`dpkg: shuddup`
`15:41.47`	`dpkg`	`Fine, I'll be quiet.`
`15:41.51`	`d0uglas`	`hey delire: are you using the daily net installer on debian.org/devel/debian-installer? j/w...`
`15:41.58`	`delire`	`azeem: i've been using Debian since potato and have never known that. <shrugs>`
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`15:42.14`	`hss`	`how can i remove kde`
`15:42.17`	`delire`	`d0uglas: this was the one i was planning to use yes.`
`15:42.24`	`hss`	`apt-get remove kde-desktop ?`
`15:42.31`	`cydork`	`!remove kde`
`15:42.31`	`dpkg`	`hmm... remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin`
`15:42.32`	`delire`	`hss: probably something like 'dpkg -P kde'`
`15:42.40`	`delire`	`oh well, close`
`15:42.48`	`hss`	`thx`
`15:42.48`	`hss`	`.d`
`15:43.43`	`delire`	`well this is good news. time for a netinstall on a thinkpad x60s.`
`15:43.46`	`d0uglas`	`i just used the daily build of the installer and it's a lot better than the last release... even picked up my wifi`
`15:43.51`	`d0uglas`	`while we're on the subject`
`15:44.02`	`pelzi_`	`delire: no, give the lappy to me`
`15:44.29`	`cydork`	`hey is ndiswrapper there on netinstaller??`
`15:44.40`	`pelzi_`	`I doubt that`
`15:44.42`	`delire`	`pelzi_: it's actually my wife's. death would result even mentioning it in jest.`
`15:44.46`	`d0uglas`	`cydork: don't think so`
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`15:45.05`	`pelzi_`	`delire: your wife has good taste`
`15:45.10`	`delire`	`d0uglas: ipw2200/centrino?`
`15:45.14`	`pelzi_`	`usually they nag about ibm design`
`15:45.16`	`delire`	`pelzi_: that she does.`
`15:45.20`	`pelzi_`	`"it looks so old"`
`15:45.38`	`delire`	`pelzi_: she believes they are the best looking laptops, the x60 in particular. so we bought it. she dislikes nearly all others.`
`15:45.57`	`d0uglas`	`delire: nope, different setup, i was just mentioning that to the channel`
`15:45.59`	`azeem`	`delire: she has good taste`
`15:46.15`	`delire`	`azeem: pelzi_ the thing is so stupidly light. it's disconcerting at first.`
`15:46.31`	`pelzi_`	`delire: a good find. I'm sticking with my X22 though...`
`15:47.00`	`delire`	`pelzi_: i have yet to see one of these in the flesh, though i hear good things.`
`15:47.10`	`cydork`	`how much ipw2200 mini-pci will cost? :P`
`15:47.30`	`cydork`	`</ot>`
`15:47.52`	`pelzi_`	`are they available separately at all`
`15:48.08`	`liable`	`yes`
`15:48.15`	`cydork`	`pelzi_: yes..`
`15:48.18`	`pelzi_`	`cool`
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`15:48.30`	`pelzi_`	`intel sucks for not making a cardbus ipw2200 though`
`15:48.41`	`delire`	`agreed.`
`15:48.57`	`liable`	`nevermind they prolly wont work in a box they arent made for (at least thinkpads..)`
`15:49.07`	`pelzi_`	`nope`
`15:49.13`	`pelzi_`	`ipw2200 worked fine in the X22`
`15:49.22`	`pelzi_`	`and it was sold originally with an 11b card`
`15:49.26`	`liable`	`intel sucks for there wifi drivers period`
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`15:49.35`	`pelzi_`	`intel's wifi is one of the best.`
`15:49.42`	`pelzi_`	`the roaming works, etc.`
`15:49.48`	`liable`	`yay for binary blobs`
`15:49.49`	`d0uglas`	`i'm stuck with a broadcom 4306.. bcm43xx, which is embedded now in the kernel, gives me the same errors everyone else gets, so i ndiswrappered the windows drivers. now it picks it up all right and i can connect, but as with the native drivers, the broadcom drops the connection after an hour or so. sometimes ifup eth1 --force gets it going again, sometimes a reboot is needed to fix it. any way around this?`
`15:49.52`	`pelzi_`	`and you know which chipset you'll get`
`15:50.01`	`pelzi_`	`liable: where is it a blob?`
`15:50.20`	`pelzi_`	`a firmware isn't a blob`
`15:50.27`	`pelzi_`	`no device has open source firmware.`
`15:50.30`	`liable`	`pelzi_: ok, make my ipw3945 work without a binary firmware and binary stupid fucking daemon`
`15:50.52`	`pelzi_`	`oh, that`
`15:51.01`	`pelzi_`	`at least the ipw2200 doesn't have a blob`
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`15:51.12`	`h3sp4wn`	`openbsd has a much cleaner driver for those intel wireless cards`
`15:51.30`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`15:51.40`	`pelzi_`	`and since it is bsd, linux can just rip it off them.`
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`15:51.47`	`liable`	`h3sp4wn: not well working yet, and not ported to linux, so moot point`
`15:52.01`	`pelzi_`	`the intel hardware is still better.`
`15:52.04`	`liable`	`pelzi_: so port it`
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`15:52.08`	`pelzi_`	`and the win driver is better than most.`
`15:52.14`	`pelzi_`	`liable: someone will, once it is ready`
`15:52.22`	`h3sp4wn`	`atheros make the best radios`
`15:52.24`	`liable`	`yeah..`
`15:52.36`	`pelzi_`	`well, atheros has blobs too...`
`15:52.44`	`h3sp4wn`	`one very small blob`
`15:52.55`	`liable`	`i wasnt saying yeah to his comment..`
`15:52.58`	`pelzi_`	`a blob it is, anyway.`
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`15:53.11`	`pelzi_`	`and I know the FCC stuff`
`15:53.16`	`liable`	`pelzi_: you said firmware isnt a blob, thats what the hal is`
`15:53.18`	`pelzi_`	`no need to tell me`
`15:53.31`	`pelzi_`	`does the hal run on the host or the card?`
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`15:53.55`	`delire`	`hmm i thought the hardware abstraction layer ran on the host.`
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`15:54.18`	`liable`	`http://kerneltrap.org/node/6650`
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`15:54.55`	`h3sp4wn`	`You can use ralink with the wireless git kernel (but the atheros radios are much better)`
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`15:56.27`	`vitriol`	`anybody having trouble with konqueror not accepting changes to settings?`
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`15:57.29`	`delire`	`well regardless, i'm happy with the performance of the >= 1.0.6 ipw2200 drivers on my portable. that the driver part is open is a reasonable start. that i can use the great majority of iwtools and run the card in promiscuous mode, also good.`
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`15:57.33`	`\|garo\|`	`Am I right in my assumption that the "bridge-utils" package is actually just a "switch-emulator"`
`15:57.37`	`\|garo\|`	`?`
`15:57.57`	`pelzi_`	`juu-u`
`15:57.57`	`liable`	`delire: lucky for you, the 3945 sucks ass completely`
`15:58.05`	`delire`	`liable: yes i've heard bad things.`
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`15:58.35`	`pelzi_`	`just wait for the free driver`
`15:58.44`	`liable`	`i am :(`
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`16:01.03`	`Feax-Crysis`	`Linux reinstalled sucessfully :p`
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`16:01.28`	`SpeedyG`	`does anyone have good how-tos to get debian as a desktop-OS? �m searching on google allready and collecting info.. but maybe you guys have some nice howto's or tips and tricks pages stuff? :)`
`16:01.31`	`numer`	`is anyone using apple darwin streaming server with his debian box?`
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`16:03.34`	`hss`	`how can i install xfce on sarge`
`16:03.44`	`Ronin`	`hss: apt-get install`
`16:03.53`	`hss`	`apt-get install ?`
`16:04.00`	`hss`	`apt-get install xfce`
`16:04.02`	`tarzeau`	`SpeedyG: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/`
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`16:04.15`	`Ronin`	`hss: or what ever the package is called, apt-cache search will help`
`16:04.31`	`hss`	`ok thx`
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`16:04.51`	`dooglus`	`is there any practical difference between passwd -d and passwd -l?`
`16:05.01`	`dooglus`	`(delete password and lock password)`
`16:05.08`	`tarzeau`	`dooglus: yes`
`16:05.17`	`tarzeau`	`dooglus: when you delete it, it's gone`
`16:05.24`	`tarzeau`	`when you lock it, it's there, but not usable`
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`16:06.12`	`dooglus`	`tarzeau: oh, I see. I thought -l overwrote the password with a value which doesn' correspond to any password`
`16:06.28`	`dooglus`	`tarzeau: (which it does) but I was assuming that was an irreversible step`
`16:06.51`	`tarzeau`	`the password isn't stored anyways`
`16:06.58`	`tarzeau`	`it's just a hash`
`16:07.08`	`dooglus`	`right.`
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`16:07.22`	`dooglus`	`but passwd -l preserves the hash in some way.`
`16:07.35`	`tarzeau`	`see man crypt, man 5 passwd and man 5 shadow`
`16:07.40`	`tarzeau`	`dooglus: of course`
`16:07.49`	`tarzeau`	`dooglus: how else would it still work after unlocking ?`
`16:07.51`	`dooglus`	`man page says that "passwd -d" will make the password empty. that doesn't mean passwordless login is possible I hope?`
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`16:08.18`	`tarzeau`	`dooglus: have you ever read man passwd ?`
`16:08.26`	`tarzeau`	`dooglus: yes it will allow passwordless logins`
`16:08.41`	`tarzeau`	`dooglus: if whatever login mechanism you use does not allow so`
`16:08.58`	`tarzeau`	`i'm not sure what you use? telnet? ssh? ftp?`
`16:09.07`	`elias_`	`how can I quickly develop an address DB with OSS tools?`
`16:09.09`	`dooglus`	`tarzeau: I've been testing with 'su'`
`16:09.16`	`elias_`	`WYSIWYG`
`16:09.19`	`pelzi_`	`address db? umm`
`16:09.35`	`tarzeau`	`elias_: there's addressmanagers that you can use?`
`16:09.51`	`tarzeau`	`elias_: i like addressmanager.app`
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`16:09.54`	`elias_`	`whatever, a simple db. I need some additional information`
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`16:10.02`	`pelzi_`	`if you mean "RAD DB development", I'd say VB > any OSS tools :(`
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`16:10.21`	`elias_`	`pelzi_: thought so`
`16:10.32`	`elias_`	`what would you recommend there?`
`16:10.34`	`tarzeau`	`pelzi_, elias_ wait wait`
`16:10.49`	`dooglus`	`tarzeau: I guess something else is preventing passwordless logins then - because neither 'su' not 'ssh' allow me to log in to the passwordless account`
`16:10.56`	`pelzi_`	`I liked Delphi so I'd recommend Lazarus if it wasn't pretty buggy`
`16:11.16`	`pelzi_`	`dooglus: debian uses PAM and null passwords are not ok by default`
`16:11.21`	`elias_`	`I want to simply layout my tables, interconnect them, create forms based on them and views/reports. done`
`16:11.24`	`elias_`	`nothing fancy`
`16:11.37`	`drazak`	`pelzi_: most of linux uses pam`
`16:11.50`	`dooglus`	`pelzi_: that'll be it then...`
`16:11.52`	`pelzi_`	`I happen to know.`
`16:12.05`	`h3sp4wn`	`elias_: mod_perl / template toolkit (if its web based - avoid php its horrible)`
`16:12.05`	`elias_`	`I don't want to care about scripting at all!`
`16:12.08`	`pelzi_`	`but PAM in debian applies to all authentication`
`16:12.15`	`phealy`	`huh. found a fix.`
`16:12.30`	`phealy`	`the problem was actually related to SMP and the timer, it appears.`
`16:12.33`	`elias_`	`I don't want to write a single line of code!`
`16:12.34`	`dooglus`	`that reminds me - how do I set gdm to allow passwordless logins for accounts which have passwords?`
`16:12.45`	`elias_`	`Gimme usability!`
`16:12.46`	`phealy`	`passing noapic/notsc on the kernel command line fixed it`
`16:12.48`	`pelzi_`	`elias_: then you are out of luck`
`16:12.56`	`h3sp4wn`	`elias_: It will suck then (on any os)`
`16:12.58`	`phealy`	`through the config utility, dooglus, IIRC`
`16:13.10`	`h3sp4wn`	`elias_: Just pay someone to write it for you`
`16:13.12`	`pelzi_`	`elias_: who would develop an OSS tool for people like you, they can already code ;P`
`16:13.15`	`tarzeau`	`pelzi_, elias_ have you tried dbmodeler.app ?`
`16:13.17`	`elias_`	`pelzi_: in the OSS world, I guess. But what about proprietary tools?`
`16:13.17`	`dooglus`	`phealy: I thought it was a PAM setting, but it was a long time ago when I last had to do it`
`16:13.21`	`tarzeau`	`it comes with the gnustep-dl2 package`
`16:13.33`	`phealy`	`well, I could be thinking of kde`
`16:13.37`	`pelzi_`	`for proprietary tools go with VB`
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`16:13.41`	`dooglus`	`phealy: I'm not looking for gdm auto-login, but gdm passwordless login...`
`16:13.45`	`tarzeau`	`pelzi_: crap`
`16:13.47`	`evilbulgarian__`	`hi, is it possible to take over my ssh session that i started without screen?`
`16:13.56`	`tarzeau`	`evilbulgarian__: no`
`16:14.04`	`kingsley`	`Why would "cat /proc/interrupts" report interrupts from the mouse (12) when no one is using it?`
`16:14.27`	`tarzeau`	`pelzi_, elias_ http://www.gnustep.org/experience/GDL2.html`
`16:14.34`	`pelzi_`	`because mice, like most other things generate interrupts all the time`
`16:14.45`	`elias_`	`h3sp4wn: maybe a good idea to pay somebody to write it`
`16:14.52`	`drazak`	`pelzi_: even authentication using webbased applications of dial up?`
`16:15.00`	`pelzi_`	`nope`
`16:15.16`	`phealy`	`dooglus, in kde login manager there's a box for "enable passwordless logins". I'm pretty sure it's in the same place on gdm`
`16:15.20`	`pelzi_`	`but ssh, sudo and other things use PAM.`
`16:15.33`	`drazak`	`pelzi_: err, i meant or :P`
`16:15.35`	`drazak`	`yeah`
`16:15.41`	`drazak`	`that's how it usually is, afaik`
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`16:17.48`	`d0uglas`	`is berlin/fresco ready for primetime? any reason to use it instead of xorg?`
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`16:22.01`	`nethenson`	`how can i send a file from my bluetooth-enabled phone to my computer? (I am using Debian testing, with hcitool scan I can 'see' my phone, but my phone doesn't see my computer)`
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`16:23.51`	`tarzeau`	`how can i make a file with a line \ at the end process the file into lines without \ (into one line) using sed?`
`16:24.41`	`SpeedyG`	`tarzeau: thanks for the link :)`
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`16:26.01`	`pelzi_`	`afaik sed does one line at a time`
`16:26.16`	`tarzeau`	`pelzi_: is there another command to combine backslashed lines?`
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`16:26.37`	`foo`	`Can I install cpanel on debian?`
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`16:26.45`	`buruka`	`could anyone tell me how much diskspace a debian based lamp installation will use?`
`16:26.52`	`tarzeau`	`buruka: not much`
`16:26.58`	`tarzeau`	`foo: sure, who's gonna stop you?`
`16:27.16`	`foo`	`tarzeau: Haha :P`
`16:27.36`	`buruka`	`tarzeau: less then 1 gig ?`
`16:28.16`	`pelzi_`	`depends`
`16:28.16`	`tarzeau`	`buruka: should work, yes`
`16:28.20`	`pelzi_`	`probably.`
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`16:29.10`	`buruka`	`i talk about pure lamp without filled mysql databases or php scripts.`
`16:29.19`	`jonas22`	`i think a basic install is about 400 megs`
`16:29.40`	`buruka`	`ah ok. thanks all for the infos`
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`16:29.49`	`tarzeau`	`jonas22: 200 mb too large`
`16:30.24`	`pelzi_`	`better say too much than too little`
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`16:31.28`	`jonas22`	`that's including an upgrade and the lamp stuff, tarzeau`
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`16:31.57`	`pelzi_`	`400 is reasonable imo.`
`16:31.59`	`jonas22`	`so, including /var/cache/apt/archives stuff, + some extra things you'd want on a lamp server, - all the desktop junk`
`16:32.30`	`jonas22`	`probably get it down if you are anal about cleaning your apt cache`
`16:34.12`	`dooglus`	`phealy: I don't see it. the 'security' tab looks like this: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/2006-10-19--18-33-05.png`
`16:34.19`	`buruka`	`i have to install it on a xseries 250 server with 6 scsi hds each 18 gig large. thats why iam asking..`
`16:34.32`	`pelzi_`	`use a raid`
`16:34.54`	`buruka`	`yep. i plan to use raid 5`
`16:35.11`	`buruka`	`it has an nice hardware raid controller`
`16:35.26`	`pelzi_`	`I'd have 2 in raid1 and 4 in raid5, but a matter of taste etc.`
`16:35.54`	`pelzi_`	`a 6 disk raid5 might be ok, too`
`16:36.07`	`buruka`	`do you also had a hotspare?`
`16:36.26`	`pelzi_`	`I don't, in production I would recommend one.`
`16:36.33`	`pelzi_`	`my systems are not critical`
`16:37.13`	`d0uglas`	`when i booted, after about 15 seconds worth of booting was in the regular 640x480 console mode, then my screen would jump to a higher resolution. I reinstalled debian and now it doesn't do that anymore. How can I restore that?`
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`16:37.33`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: which videocard`
`16:37.39`	`d0uglas`	`s/after about/during`
`16:37.44`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: radeon igp 320m`
`16:37.51`	`pelzi_`	`modprobe radeonfb`
`16:37.57`	`pelzi_`	`add it to modules if it works`
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`16:38.09`	`buruka`	`pelzi_: how would you partition the arrays for a lamp installation?`
`16:38.14`	`d0uglas`	`oh that's a framebuffer thing.. yeah, radeonfb's not there, i'll pop it in`
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`16:38.36`	`pelzi_`	`I'd have separate /usr, /var, /tmp and / partitions at least`
`16:38.45`	`pelzi_`	`and a big one for the data to serve`
`16:38.48`	`d0uglas`	`what is fbcon? dpkg says it's slow slow slow`
`16:38.50`	`buruka`	`ok`
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`16:40.04`	`pelzi_`	`with a raid, I might also recommend LVM`
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`16:41.10`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: what package is radeonfb in? not finding it on apt`
`16:41.10`	`h3sp4wn`	`d0uglas: Check that you don't have vesafb statically compiled into the kernel or radeonfb won't work right`
`16:41.16`	`spldart`	`I need to upgrade vid card on my machine... Would the correct procedure be rm mod (nvidia driver) shutdown install ati card boot install ati driver?`
`16:41.30`	`d0uglas`	`h3sp4wn: all right.. would i be able to figure that out in modconf?`
`16:41.40`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: do you have the module`
`16:41.50`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: modprobe comes up dry`
`16:41.52`	`pelzi_`	`it's a part of the kernel`
`16:41.58`	`d0uglas`	`oh..`
`16:42.02`	`h3sp4wn`	d0uglas: I have never used modconf - but look in /boot/config-`uname -r`
`16:43.19`	`h3sp4wn`	`d0uglas: CONFIG_FB_VESA=y (if that is there you should rebuild with it not included)`
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`16:45.04`	`d0uglas`	`h3sp4wn: config fb vewa=y is there, but grepping radeon and fb reveals CONFIG_FB_RADEON=m and CONFIG_FB_RADEON_I2C=y`
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`16:45.23`	`nethenson`	`spldart: I think (not sure), that you only need to edit your x.org /xfree configuration, file. shutdown, install, restart`
`16:45.50`	`deadcat`	`very strange.. i can ctl+alt+FN to switch to console now.. i have no fucking clue what changed....`
`16:46.30`	`jelly`	`can qemu be used to run a linux-amd64 app on i386 hardware?`
`16:46.40`	`pelzi_`	`why not`
`16:46.45`	`pelzi_`	`probably slow as hell, though`
`16:46.51`	`spldart`	`thanks nethenson`
`16:47.12`	`h3sp4wn`	`d0uglas: vesa is compiled in statically - so radeonfb cannot load properly (from grub anyway)`
`16:47.14`	`jelly`	`I don't mind it being slow as hell, but don't know whether amd64 emu. is supported at all`
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`16:47.24`	`pitillo`	`deadcat, your alt key is now recognized?`
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`16:49.01`	`pelzi_`	`h3sp4wn: how come I have a CONFIG_FB_VESA=y and radeonfb works fine`
`16:49.57`	`d0uglas`	`h3sp4wn: according to modconf, radeonfb in kernel/drivers/video/aty is enabled`
`16:50.40`	`h3sp4wn`	`pelzi_: How do you load it ?`
`16:50.40`	`pelzi_`	`modprobe`
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`16:50.40`	`pelzi_`	`the screen magically becomes better. :P`
`16:50.40`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: if modconf says it's enabled, is it probably right?`
`16:50.41`	`h3sp4wn`	`That is not fine in my opinion I like it to be loaded automatically`
`16:50.41`	`jelly`	`pelzi_: how do you know it's really radeonfb and not vesafb?`
`16:50.41`	`pelzi_`	`well /etc/modules`
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`16:50.41`	`pelzi_`	`because I load readeonfb manually and it is VGA before that`
`16:50.45`	`pelzi_`	`and dmesg says radeonfb`
`16:51.11`	`jelly`	`pelzi_: oh. Probably no fb did work at all up to that point.`
`16:51.23`	`pelzi_`	`exactly.`
`16:51.35`	`pelzi_`	`because they are not on by default`
`16:51.54`	`jelly`	`pelzi_: for me, vesafb only when I add vga=0xsome-mode to boot params.`
`16:52.03`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`16:52.10`	`pelzi_`	`I have nothing, and load radeonfb.`
`16:52.22`	`pelzi_`	`it magically works out the resolution of my panel and Just Works`
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`16:52.35`	`d0uglas`	`h3sp4wn: i do have ./lib/modules/2.6.18-1-k7/kernel/drivers/video/aty/radeonfb.ko, ./usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-1-k7/include/linux/radeonfb.h and /usr/include/linux/radeonfb.h. does that mean anything?`
`16:52.39`	`h3sp4wn`	`But the correct syntax to radeonfb from the boot parameters does not work unless vesafb is not in the kernel`
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`16:52.58`	`pelzi_`	`well of course it does not`
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`16:53.07`	`pelzi_`	`you need to load the module first. doh.`
`16:53.16`	`h3sp4wn`	`not with initramfs`
`16:53.25`	`tnks`	`I'm looking for a text-based client in which I can manage my IMAP, NNTP, and RSS feeds all in one view. Is there any to do that?`
`16:53.38`	`pelzi_`	`probably not.`
`16:53.49`	`pelzi_`	`I use screen and mutt. :P`
`16:53.51`	`jelly`	`pelzi_: that is really nice, I didn't think any fb could init correctly after boot.`
`16:54.12`	`jelly`	`I guess it's just that vesafb is dumb.`
`16:54.12`	`pelzi_`	`it even inits if loaded after starting X.`
`16:54.29`	`SpeedyG`	`whats the easiest way to take over your linux remote desktop?`
`16:54.35`	`pelzi_`	`vnc?`
`16:54.39`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: what do you do to enable it manually?`
`16:54.45`	`jelly`	`SpeedyG: already logged in session?`
`16:54.49`	`SpeedyG`	`jelly: yes`
`16:54.50`	`tnks`	`pelzi_: I'm using KDE's Kontact, and it's barely integrated, but not really. Also, it's kind of bloated (and a GUI).`
`16:55.06`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: modprobe radeonfb.`
`16:55.08`	`jelly`	`SpeedyG: check out x11vnc`
`16:55.10`	`pelzi_`	`on a VT`
`16:55.12`	`SpeedyG`	`ok :)`
`16:55.18`	`SpeedyG`	`*adds to list of to install items`
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`16:55.22`	`tnks`	`It just seems kind of silly to check three different things in three different places, whden the interfaces are so similar in appearance.`
`16:55.46`	`pelzi_`	`tnks: I used thunderbird, but like Mutt a lot more. I don't read newsgroups, and my Nokia has an RSS reader, but if you know a good text RSS reader I'd like to know`
`16:55.49`	`jelly`	`SpeedyG: basically a vnc server that binds to already running X. Much like vnc server on Windows.`
`16:56.20`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: modprobe radeonfb just hops back to the prompt, doesn't say anything.. is that good?`
`16:56.32`	`d0uglas`	`woah wait a second the reslution's now higher`
`16:56.35`	`d0uglas`	`thanks fellas`
`16:56.38`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: you aren't on a lappy?`
`16:56.42`	`d0uglas`	`yes i am`
`16:56.44`	`h3sp4wn`	`d0uglas: use fbset (and the settings in /etc/fb.modes`
`16:56.50`	`SpeedyG`	`jelly: yeah, i'm familiar with vnc in windows`
`16:56.53`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: yep, then it will be automagic`
`16:56.59`	`d0uglas`	`h3sp4wn: no need, apparently..`
`16:57.04`	`tnks`	`pelzi_: totally, the only package I found with "apt-cache search" was snownews.`
`16:57.09`	`tnks`	`but I didn't try it out yet.`
`16:57.18`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: I disabled screen expansion so it's quite a difference when it is loaded ;)`
`16:57.19`	`jelly`	`d0uglas: you can check dmesg or /var/log/kern.log for radeonfb messages to confirm it really had started.`
`16:57.38`	`tnks`	`pelzi_: for now, I'm willing to just accept just integration of IMAP and NNTP.`
`16:57.39`	`h3sp4wn`	`d0uglas: depends what resolution you want`
`16:57.43`	`d0uglas`	`jelly: from an existentialist perspective, it's really working`
`16:57.53`	`jelly`	`d0uglas: :)`
`16:58.06`	`pelzi_`	`tnks: I'd just use screen, mutt and some nice nntp reader`
`16:58.13`	`jelly`	`d0uglas: if it's not in syslog it never happened!`
`16:58.17`	`d0uglas`	`So what's the story with fbcon?`
`16:58.20`	`tnks`	`pelzi_: Gnus claims to do that, but there's something icky about going back to emacs.`
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`16:58.57`	`SpeedyG`	`1858.34 < jelly> d0uglas: if it's not in syslog it never happened! <= what if you hdd crashes, that'd never be written to syslog... but wont mean that it didnt happen ;)`
`16:59.06`	`d0uglas`	`well no point in asking that now that radeonfb's fired up, nevermind..`
`16:59.34`	`d0uglas`	`wow this is so luxorious, all this extra room in the console while still retaining that badass font`
`16:59.41`	`pelzi_`	`:P`
`16:59.51`	`jelly`	`tnks: there's mutt-ng that has loads of additional bloat^H^H^H^H^Hpatches, NNTP support among those`
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`17:00.08`	`h3sp4wn`	`tnks: use pine its ok (source is in debian)`
`17:00.18`	`d0uglas`	`ascii quake must be awesome in this mode`
`17:00.36`	`h3sp4wn`	`tnks: (don't need patches it supports nntp)`
`17:00.45`	`jelly`	`d0uglas: mplayer -vo aa pron.avi !`
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`17:00.55`	`d0uglas`	`woah mplayer can do that? nice`
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`17:01.07`	`pelzi_`	`of course it can :P`
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`17:01.11`	`h3sp4wn`	`as can aaxine`
`17:01.35`	`Fish-Face`	`Heyho. Xinit seems to be refusing to start up the process you specify. "xinit" on its own just starts a blank x session - no xterm, even, and whatever command you include does the same.`
`17:01.44`	`tuxedup`	`Does any one know of a fix for the kdesu problem reporting incorrect password in Etch at the moment, or is it simply a case of wait till an updated package is available`
`17:01.47`	`h3sp4wn`	`Fish-Face: from .xinitrc ?`
`17:01.51`	`x_link`	`Can somebody tell me what command I should use to see which video card I use and to see how many MB it's on?`
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`17:01.58`	`pelzi_`	`lspci`
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`17:02.08`	`jelly`	`there's something ironic about having to switch to graphical mode to run an ascii art player`
`17:02.09`	`x_link`	`It's show so many things`
`17:02.16`	`Fish-Face`	`h3sp4wn, I don't have a .xinitrc, this is either running xinit with nothing, or including processes on the commandline.`
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`17:03.40`	`x_link`	`pelzi_: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2`
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`17:03.49`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`17:04.05`	`pelzi_`	`see the X log for the video ram`
`17:04.13`	`x_link`	`That is my video card, but it doesn't show how many MB it has, I know which video card I have and how many MB it gas, but I want to know/learn how to look it up.`
`17:04.28`	`delire`	`hmm. seems the kernel shipped with the business-card installer is missing alot from that in the CD distribution - for obvious reasons i guess.`
`17:04.28`	`x_link`	`X log ?`
`17:04.36`	`d0uglas`	`running cd /root/MPlayer-blah/; ./configure --enable-gui from an alt+f2 in x set to do it in a terminal window as root ends with Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation`
`17:04.39`	`d0uglas`	`what's up with that?`
`17:04.54`	`cydork`	`x_link: try lshw`
`17:04.58`	`x_link`	`cydork: okey.`
`17:05.11`	`x_link`	`cydork: That command doesn't work.`
`17:05.19`	`x_link`	`"Command not found"`
`17:05.20`	`delire`	`d0uglas: perhaps you need the xll headers?`
`17:05.35`	`jelly`	`d0uglas: You don't have the required -dev packages to build from source. Why are you trying to compile it yourself anyway?`
`17:05.35`	`d0uglas`	`delire: okay i'll look into that, brb..`
`17:05.40`	`cydork`	`x_link: you have to install it.`
`17:05.49`	`d0uglas`	`jelly: as opposed to aliening the rpm?`
`17:05.54`	`jelly`	`!marillat`
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`17:05.55`	`dpkg`	`marillat is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location.`
`17:05.55`	`pelzi_`	`or get a deb`
`17:06.04`	`d0uglas`	`sweet`
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`17:06.13`	`jelly`	`d0uglas: there's mplayer in the above repo.`
`17:06.16`	`cydork`	`x_link: also /msg dpkg what is my hardware`
`17:06.26`	`tnks`	`jelly: I looked into mutt-ng. It didn't seem that active of a project. h3sp4wn: Yeah... Maybe Pine makes sense. Although Gnus with Emacs is kind of insanely customizable.`
`17:06.46`	`tnks`	`(I just find Emacs a little awkward, though)`
`17:06.53`	`pelzi_`	`"a little"`
`17:07.02`	`tnks`	`pelzi_: okay a lot.`
`17:07.10`	`cydork`	`x_link: sorry make it /msg dpkg whats my hardware`
`17:07.14`	`pelzi_`	`emacs is the mother of bloat`
`17:07.19`	`jelly`	`tnks: I hear Gnus is powerful but I don't have time or the inclination to learn Emacs/elisp.`
`17:07.41`	`x_link`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:07.42`	`valdyn`	`tnks: mutt-ng kind of reactivated the enthusiasm of the original mutt dev, makeing it mutt-ng pointless`
`17:07.54`	`x_link`	`Or should I write "whats my hardware" as well ?`
`17:08.22`	`pelzi_`	`har har`
`17:08.26`	`x_link`	`ahh, here on irssi`
`17:08.45`	`aronofsky`	`hi , can anyone tell me if aircrack-ng is include in any linux live-cd ? ( i know its not the appropriate channel but noone answer on #aircrack-ng )`
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`17:09.10`	`pelzi_`	`for what purpose?`
`17:09.17`	`tnks`	`valdyn: so you're saying that mutt-ng is obsolete relative to just patching mutt manually?`
`17:09.19`	`x_link`	`none of those commands works`
`17:09.24`	`lolkaare`	`how do I configure perl-modules?`
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`17:09.55`	`valdyn`	`tnks: no, the original mutt now includes at least parts of the originally refused patches`
`17:09.59`	`cydork`	`x_link: you have to install some of them`
`17:10.10`	`valdyn`	`tnks: refusal of those patches triggered the mutt-ng fork`
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`17:10.50`	`d0uglas`	`aronofsky: check out Auditor Boot CD for stuff like that, http://www.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Auditor_main`
`17:10.56`	`d0uglas`	`for security purposes only of course`
`17:11.09`	`aronofsky`	`of course`
`17:11.21`	`pelzi_`	`tell me what you are going to do`
`17:11.28`	`tnks`	`valdyn: I see... the nntp patches?`
`17:11.34`	`d0uglas`	`whoops was i not supposed to answer that`
`17:11.37`	`pelzi_`	`for example, if you want to try cracking WEP, don't bother`
`17:11.38`	`tnks`	`(that's kind of all I was interested in).`
`17:11.51`	`pelzi_`	`it is not worth it, because I can tell you it is e-a-s-y.`
`17:12.02`	`valdyn`	`tnks: i dont know, its just something i read and still remember while in fact i dont care about it..`
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`17:12.21`	`tnks`	`valdyn: all right. I'll Google.`
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`17:13.18`	`d0uglas`	`aronofsky: do you know your way around the airo* ware?`
`17:13.26`	`valdyn`	`aircrack-ng still needs quite specific hardware, as far as i know..`
`17:13.32`	`d0uglas`	`as does kismet`
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`17:14.20`	`kml`	`what cause a clock tick driff on the system and how can I fix it?`
`17:14.20`	`pelzi_`	`an orinoco gold card should be fine`
`17:14.20`	`aronofsky`	`d0uglas, not really , read some tuto and i wanted to try it`
`17:14.20`	`valdyn`	`d0uglas: far more chipsets can scan / capture than send 'fake' packets`
`17:14.25`	`d0uglas`	`aronofsky: are you hoping to try your luck on wpa networks?`
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`17:14.40`	`aronofsky`	`d0uglas, nop , wep`
`17:14.46`	`pelzi_`	`don't bother`
`17:14.49`	`d0uglas`	`aww that's pussy shit`
`17:14.49`	`pelzi_`	`WEP is too easy`
`17:14.57`	`pelzi_`	`nothing interesting in cracking it`
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`17:15.05`	`delire`	`except getting online..`
`17:15.07`	`aronofsky`	`pelzi_, well , first things first , im a newbie`
`17:15.23`	`pelzi_`	`delire: true, but I never do that ;)`
`17:15.25`	`delire`	`aronofsky: wep is good to cut your teeth on.`
`17:15.27`	`delire`	`pelzi_: ;)`
`17:15.31`	`d0uglas`	`valdyn: you mean the packets that causes someone to disconnect in order to grab the handshake?`
`17:15.35`	`aronofsky`	`delire, exactly`
`17:15.42`	`pelzi_`	`just any traffic`
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`17:15.47`	`valdyn`	`d0uglas: yea, i guess`
`17:15.47`	`pelzi_`	`like ARP replaying`
`17:15.55`	`delire`	`pelzi_: now that's fun stuff..`
`17:16.05`	`pelzi_`	`with that, you get data flowing and more stuff to work on cracking`
`17:16.14`	`aronofsky`	`whan can of tools are used to crack WPA ?`
`17:16.16`	`delire`	`agreed. results are much faster`
`17:16.46`	`d0uglas`	`is it true that you can make your wireless network inpenetrable by setting the ssid as <no ssid>?`
`17:16.48`	`valdyn`	`aronofsky: wpa cant be cracked reliably, afaict`
`17:16.48`	`feax`	`How can I install java and make it working with Firefox ?`
`17:16.49`	`tnks`	`My apt sources.list file has an entry for testing /and/ stable. Is that needless?`
`17:16.52`	`pelzi_`	`WPA is pretty secure, but the users and their "daughtersname" passphrases are not`
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`17:17.03`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: that's crap`
`17:17.07`	`odla`	`feax: what version of debian?`
`17:17.12`	`odla`	`feax: stable, testing, unstable?`
`17:17.28`	`pelzi_`	`disabling ssid broadcast is hardly a slowdown`
`17:17.29`	`d0uglas`	`well you could throw off joe kismet with that trick`
`17:17.30`	`odla`	`feax: sarge, etch, or sid?`
`17:17.38`	`tnks`	`It's kind of annoying because my "apt-cache search"es give me two results and I need to scroll up for the testing one.`
`17:17.56`	`aronofsky`	`oh really , there is no way to crack wpa ?`
`17:17.56`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: huge amounts of wireless clients don't work with a hidden ssid`
`17:17.57`	`d0uglas`	`well.. i meant spoofing a disabling of ssid broadcasting`
`17:18.01`	`d0uglas`	`which sounds eliter`
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`17:18.26`	`d0uglas`	`by actually naming it <no ssid>`
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`17:18.29`	`pelzi_`	`aronofsky: WPA has no serious flaws, but it is vulnerable to users' stupidity`
`17:18.43`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: lol...`
`17:18.56`	`myren`	`anyone know fi the ATI superpatch has made it in to X yet? my wicked oldschool mobility radeon isnt working`
`17:18.57`	`aronofsky`	`pelzi_, ok , I see`
`17:19.12`	`myren`	`pelzi_: WPA or WPA2?`
`17:19.13`	`d0uglas`	`maybe there's an airosocialengineer-ng package in experimental`
`17:19.16`	`pelzi_`	`myren: my mobility M6 works ;)`
`17:19.18`	`pelzi_`	`myren: both`
`17:19.30`	`Seb`	`how would I disable the middle-mouse button altogether in X ? I'm not sure I can do that in xorg.conf, so I was looking at xmodmap, but if I know how to associate NoSymbol to a key, I don't seem to be able to do it with a "mouse button"... Anyone knows ?`
`17:19.35`	`mattl`	`does anyone know when Iceweasel packages/source packages will be available?`
`17:19.37`	`pelzi_`	`WPA is not really that secure, but not very vulnerable either`
`17:19.50`	`aronofsky`	`other question , you got to have specific hardware to have aircrack working , right ?`
`17:19.52`	`myren`	`pelzi_: huh. i guess i can go re-enable my WPA on this router so that bastard in marketting's powermac can work.`
`17:19.55`	`odla`	`mattl: when it's ready?`
`17:19.59`	`feax`	`odla, sarge`
`17:20.05`	`myren`	`i'll update my x drivers`
`17:20.05`	`pelzi_`	`myren: use a VPN`
`17:20.15`	`odla`	`!tell feax about java-package`
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`17:20.34`	`mattl`	`odla, helpful.`
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`17:20.47`	`Seb`	`mattl: most accurate nevertheless`
`17:21.05`	`mattl`	`oh, sure.`
`17:21.16`	`feax`	`odla, I have not java-package on my apt-get :s`
`17:21.16`	`Ronin`	`mattl: or never if ian has his way :)`
`17:21.25`	`myren`	`yess, get openswan working with win xp and osx. that'll be REALLY FUN`
`17:21.31`	`mattl`	`heh, does Ian have any clout these days?`
`17:21.33`	`odla`	`feax: do you have contrib non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list?`
`17:21.33`	`myren`	`i'm sure it'll take no more than 45 mintues`
`17:21.36`	`pelzi_`	`myren: I use openvpn`
`17:21.37`	`evilbulgarian__`	`hi, i am getting "sdb very big device try to use READ CAPACITY(16)" how can i enable that option?`
`17:21.42`	`netcrash`	`Helo , when using raid wich should be the size of the raid partition ?`
`17:21.47`	`feax`	`odla, I think no, what line need I to add ?`
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`17:22.05`	`cjuner`	`Hi there... Anyone discovered _the_ perfect debian laptop? I am looking for a machine where everything works :) ... that is suspend-to-ram and rmon (wlan device monitoring - so e.g. airsnort works)... battery life should be nice, too.`
`17:22.13`	`gdfuego`	`Does anyone happen to know the patch plan for CVE-2006-4924 in sarge? That's the Openssh protocol 1 dos vulnerability from a few weeks back`
`17:22.18`	`odla`	`feax: nano /etc/apt/sources.list and add contrib non-free at the end all all lines starting with deb and deb-src`
`17:22.22`	`pelzi_`	`cjuner: ThinkPads`
`17:22.30`	`gdfuego`	`I see there's an updated openssh-krb5, and a fix for unstable`
`17:22.35`	`gdfuego`	`but nothing for Sarge yet`
`17:22.45`	`odla`	`feax: for example, deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/sarge main contrib non-free`
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`17:22.51`	`cjuner`	`pelzi_, allright, I'll go reading something about them, thx`
`17:22.54`	`feax`	`ok odla and after the installation i remove ?`
`17:23.02`	`odla`	`feax: no you can leave it`
`17:23.18`	`odla`	`feax: you might need it to access those repositories for other packages`
`17:23.23`	`pelzi_`	`cjuner: I've had every thinkpad I used (5) work very well`
`17:23.31`	`feax`	`ok odla but I'll can have the packages just main with these line ?`
`17:23.32`	`odla`	`feax: after you've added that run apt-get update then apt-get install java-package`
`17:23.33`	`pelzi_`	`cjuner: they're not cheap but they are great lappies`
`17:23.50`	`odla`	`feax: yes...if you don't want contrib and non-free remove them`
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`17:24.10`	`pickcoder`	`is openwebmail ever going to become a package?`
`17:24.14`	`Ronin`	`mattl: oh i suspect the founder still has some pull these days`
`17:24.36`	`pickcoder`	`packages.debian is slow as cold molasses today`
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`17:24.51`	`cjuner`	`pelzi_, did you use airsnort?`
`17:24.58`	`pelzi_`	`no.`
`17:25.08`	`pelzi_`	`use an orinoco for stuff like that.`
`17:25.24`	`pelzi_`	`for normal use, the intel wlans have been ok`
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`17:25.52`	`pickcoder`	`I need a decent looking webmail interface for imap`
`17:25.59`	`pelzi_`	`squirrelmail?`
`17:26.03`	`pickcoder`	`I've demo'd ilohamail and squirrelmail and no one likes it`
`17:26.05`	`Braindead`	`iloha?`
`17:26.08`	`Braindead`	`ah`
`17:26.15`	`pickcoder`	`it's too "geeky"`
`17:26.21`	`pickcoder`	`:p`
`17:26.25`	`pelzi_`	`oh please... people these days`
`17:26.28`	`pickcoder`	`I love squirrelmail, personally`
`17:26.31`	`Braindead`	`gmail quire raised the bar...`
`17:26.32`	`pickcoder`	`but oh well`
`17:26.36`	`pelzi_`	`who gives what the webmail looks like...`
`17:26.38`	`Braindead`	`s/quire/quite/`
`17:26.42`	`feax`	`odla, for the fakeroot I need to be in the directory where is the file ?`
`17:26.43`	`pelzi_`	`squirrelmail is functional and fast`
`17:26.52`	`pickcoder`	`openwebmail looks nice`
`17:26.56`	`pickcoder`	`especially with the webdisk`
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`17:27.01`	`pickcoder`	`but there are no packages`
`17:27.07`	`pelzi_`	`didn't squirrel support themes...`
`17:27.12`	`pickcoder`	`pelzi_: yes`
`17:27.12`	`Bushmills`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:27.14`	`pickcoder`	`it still does`
`17:27.15`	`Braindead`	`"I want a webmail with ponys and unicorns!!!1 yay \o/"`
`17:27.22`	`pickcoder`	`but they are lame attempts at themes`
`17:27.31`	`vitriol`	`anybody have problems with konsole not accepting any changes at all?`
`17:27.34`	`pelzi_`	`create your own`
`17:27.56`	`pickcoder`	`I don't have time. I have to run an entire IT department`
`17:28.00`	`pickcoder`	`and program too`
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`17:28.02`	`pickcoder`	`:/`
`17:28.08`	`pickcoder`	`besides.. no one likes sm`
`17:28.08`	`odla`	`feax: yes and you can be regular user`
`17:28.15`	`pelzi_`	`ask some artistic person ;)`
`17:28.26`	`pickcoder`	`they're busy with catalogs`
`17:28.29`	`pickcoder`	`heh`
`17:28.31`	`pickcoder`	`we're all strapped here`
`17:28.39`	`Ronin`	`pretty webmail? whats the point as long as it functional? its for the road anyhow`
`17:28.42`	`pelzi_`	`then tell them they create a theme or stop nagging`
`17:28.59`	`pelzi_`	`Ronin: I know a guy who rather uses squirrelmail than any other client.`
`17:28.59`	`pickcoder`	`Ronin: tell that to the users who will be using it from their stationary desktops`
`17:29.13`	`pelzi_`	`and he uses email a lot.`
`17:29.14`	`Ronin`	`pickcoder: what on earth for? they dont have mua's installed?`
`17:29.22`	`pickcoder`	`yes`
`17:29.34`	`pelzi_`	`a webmail is easy on the admin`
`17:29.41`	`pickcoder`	`and I'm sick of administrating them`
`17:29.45`	`Ronin`	`so why are they using webmail then? its not cause its easier`
`17:29.56`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: squirrel, from the web based clients i've toyed with, is the fastest and it gets the job done`
`17:30.02`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`17:30.04`	`d0uglas`	`not the prettiest thing on the block but you get used to it`
`17:30.06`	`pelzi_`	`it Just Works.`
`17:30.20`	`d0uglas`	`Me, i'm a pine guy.`
`17:30.23`	`Bushmills`	`besides, some squirrel themes are relatively decent`
`17:30.25`	`pelzi_`	`my isp has squirrelmail, I use it when I don't use mutt`
`17:30.32`	`SpeedyG`	`give em the worst mail client ever as an alternative ;) they wont complain :P`
`17:30.33`	`Bushmills`	`classic blue is for example not that bad`
`17:30.36`	`pickcoder`	`I use mutt in the cli and Outcast when I use Win`
`17:31.01`	`cjuner`	`What is actually the outcome of the GNU Free Documentation License into non-free thing? Is GFDL now DFSG-compatible or not?`
`17:31.08`	`Ronin`	`still laughing over users on desktops using webmail when they dont have to :)`
`17:31.12`	`pickcoder`	`squirrelmail is mostly for interfacing with an IMAP store I have for my personal server`
`17:31.22`	`pelzi_`	`Ronin: for lusers it is fine`
`17:31.23`	`bt_`	`Hello. Just onder. I see there is a lot of howto's on installing ISCSI on debian, but they're all using the source tgz packages and not the one open-iscsi package that is in the debian, but for all other packages they refer to apt get'ing. Any reason for this, if anyone knows ?`
`17:31.28`	`pelzi_`	`Ronin: better than an MS mua...`
`17:31.55`	`pickcoder`	`Ronin: It's easier to manage mail storage with webmail and IMAP than to show them how to use multiple Outlook files`
`17:32.05`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`17:32.12`	`Bushmills`	`Ronin: is not a matter of having to, but of having alternatives`
`17:32.22`	`pelzi_`	`and they are lusers, not people who can use a MUA`
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`17:32.37`	`Ronin`	`pelzi_: then teach them, hell even we teach them that much`
`17:32.46`	`d0uglas`	`speaking of mail, when your typical smtpd, say, postfix for example, gets a mail with a large attachment addressed to 100 people on the same network, does it make 100 copies of the mail and attachment, or does it somehow link everyone's copy to a single file?`
`17:32.47`	`pelzi_`	`nah.`
`17:32.51`	`pelzi_`	`Squirrelmail is a good client`
`17:33.01`	`Ronin`	`ahh lazy admins/techs ;)`
`17:33.06`	`Ronin`	`wait so am i heh`
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`17:33.17`	`pickcoder`	`I'm not lazy.. I just have more important things to deal with`
`17:33.22`	`pickcoder`	`and I have no help`
`17:33.23`	`xjkx`	`what about anti-drm thing on gplv3?what would linux/debian lose if kernel changed to gplv3?`
`17:33.33`	`pelzi_`	`like I said, I know an admin/coder who prefers Squirrelmail over any MUA`
`17:33.35`	`xjkx`	`or users would lose`
`17:33.41`	`d0uglas`	`xjkx: drm is the future`
`17:33.46`	`pelzi_`	`and he uses mail a lot more than most people I know`
`17:33.51`	`XD`	`whats the command to create a shortcut to a folder (from a folder :P )`
`17:33.55`	`valdyn`	`xjkx: that's off topic here, ask your lawyer or an appropriate forum`
`17:34.02`	`pickcoder`	`d0uglas: if it is delivered locally, then each mailbox file will get a copy`
`17:34.02`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: any idea about that smtpd question?`
`17:34.12`	`pelzi_`	`besides, if you teach users to use a MUA they will be hopelessly confused with the webmail.`
`17:34.28`	`xjkx`	`d0uglas, i dont get why it is the future, it is a restriction only`
`17:34.29`	`pickcoder`	`d0uglas: if it is to be relayed or transported then it will remain a single message with a huge header.. :P`
`17:34.39`	`d0uglas`	`pickcoder: i see.. any way around that? my office IT lady won't let anyone email anything over 20 megs even though we spent cash money for powerful servers`
`17:34.48`	`d0uglas`	`xjkx: i was trolling`
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`17:35.04`	`pickcoder`	`d0uglas: not that I know of`
`17:35.13`	`d0uglas`	`what is mailstore?`
`17:35.15`	`pickcoder`	`d0uglas: even vritual mailboxes will all get their own copy`
`17:35.18`	`jplibre`	`emailing things over 20 megs? AGH`
`17:35.24`	`jplibre`	`That es no bueno`
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`17:35.39`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`17:35.45`	`pelzi_`	`setup a pastebin-like system`
`17:35.47`	`pickcoder`	`d0uglas: post the file on a web or FTP server.. heck put it on a local NAS share`
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`17:36.17`	`pickcoder`	`email everyone a link to the file`
`17:36.20`	`pelzi_`	`I tried one and lusers actually got it. HTTPS, long urls with a random password.`
`17:36.29`	`d0uglas`	`pickcoder: right that's what i said but my boss wants me to find a way that won't require everyone to sit through a 20 second instruction session on how to drag and drop something onto an ftp server with windows`
`17:36.29`	`feax`	`pelzi_, If I have added contrib non-free in sources.list I can get main packages too ? like before i had this line ? Or that will not be the sames packets ?`
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`17:37.00`	`pickcoder`	`d0uglas: then you're SOL`
`17:37.01`	`pelzi_`	`feax: it will be the same`
`17:37.05`	`zyv`	`hi !!!`
`17:37.14`	`pelzi_`	`contrib and non-free have packages not allowed in main`
`17:37.34`	`pickcoder`	`d0uglas: can you not setup a samba share and make it public?`
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`17:37.38`	`sprink`	`feax, non-free is evil`
`17:37.54`	`zyv`	`anybody knows how to write a daemon using /etc/init.d/skeleton that runs a service as a non-root user?`
`17:38.02`	`pickcoder`	`d0uglas: if netbios is installed on the machines then you can just pass the full netbios path in the e-mail`
`17:38.03`	`pelzi_`	`su -c`
`17:38.04`	`d0uglas`	`pickcoder: my mission is to somehow accomplish this without anything looking any different to the users`
`17:38.10`	`d0uglas`	`doing it on the server end`
`17:38.11`	`pickcoder`	`d0uglas: you don't even need to setup a local mapped drive`
`17:38.20`	`pelzi_`	`unless the service can switch users by itself`
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`17:38.33`	`zyv`	`you're talking to me pelzi_ ?`
`17:38.34`	`Seb`	`is it possible to use sid's 2.6.18 kernel image on etch ?`
`17:38.39`	`GillaGal`	`For some reason my machine keeps dying ever few hours. I cannot do anything or view logs. It simply reports input/output error. Any idea what I start on this?`
`17:38.42`	`pelzi_`	`zyv: yes`
`17:38.49`	`zyv`	`let's see`
`17:38.56`	`valdyn`	`GillaGal: hardware error`
`17:38.59`	`feax`	`sprink, non free is the way for get azureus, and java :p`
`17:39.04`	`Seb`	`i mean simply dpkg'ing -i the corresponding .deb ?`
`17:39.04`	`zyv`	`the service can't switch users by itself`
`17:39.07`	`pelzi_`	`azureus :(`
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`17:39.15`	`pelzi_`	`then use su.`
`17:39.21`	`GillaGal`	`valdyn disk or CPU?`
`17:39.24`	`feax`	`azureus power :p`
`17:39.26`	`valdyn`	`GillaGal: if that driver isnt mistakenly reporting input/output error then you have broken hardware`
`17:39.31`	`valdyn`	`GillaGal: disk most likely`
`17:39.32`	`feax`	`how can I make firefox the defaut navigator ?`
`17:39.33`	`zyv`	`pelzi_: ok, i'll try it`
`17:39.34`	`GoAuLd`	`why packets are not comp�led for at least pentium instead of 386 ? nobody use 386 neither my mobile phone`
`17:39.39`	`zyv`	`pelzi_: thanks !`
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`17:40.08`	`d0uglas`	`pickcoder: hey man i hear you this could be so simple but my boss seems to be fixated on accomplishing this without changing a single thing for the users.. i think he has a beef with the it lady`
`17:40.11`	`pelzi_`	`update-alternatives x-www-browser`
`17:40.15`	`d0uglas`	`sigh nevermind`
`17:40.15`	`pickcoder`	`d0uglas: if you are trying to distribute a file to 100 people, then try that. Use samba and create a public net share. Then just email the netbios path to it. //myhost/myshare/myfile`
`17:40.54`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: packages _are_ compiled for pentium`
`17:41.05`	`d0uglas`	`pickcoder: i am surprised though that someone hasn't figured out how to trim down this redundancy with MTAs for this particular situation`
`17:41.12`	`GoAuLd`	`valdyn are you sure?`
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`17:41.18`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: in fact debian doesnt support 386 cpus`
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`17:41.20`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: yes`
`17:41.22`	`Detox`	`can I get some help isntalling java to firefox? it tells me to go plugin dir of firefox, but there is no such dir. all I can find is /usr/share/firefox/searchplugins/ folder`
`17:41.34`	`pickcoder`	`d0uglas: because each user has their own mailbox?`
`17:41.38`	`Seb`	`is it possible to use sid's 2.6.18 kernel images on etch ?`
`17:41.41`	`cjuner`	`When will the firefox rename in etch be done?`
`17:41.55`	`odla`	`feax: you can still get main packages as well`
`17:41.55`	`d0uglas`	`by the way, for an office of an international corporation that relies and spends heavily on communication, isn't 20 megs a little slim for an email limit? i mean, come on.`
`17:42.02`	`d0uglas`	`pickcoder: right`
`17:42.03`	`pickcoder`	`d0uglas: you can always setup a single mailbox and configure filtering rules in the MTA`
`17:42.05`	`pickcoder`	`:P`
`17:42.06`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: the arch is called 386 for technical reasons only, it has nothing to do with the optimisations used when compiling`
`17:42.08`	`cjuner`	`Seb, why not try it out ;)`
`17:42.18`	`GoAuLd`	`valdyn ok, then i feel better now, i though this was wasting my cpu`
`17:42.23`	`d0uglas`	`pickcoder: we do have these public folders`
`17:42.26`	`Seb`	`cjuner: well, heh, I'd rather get a few opinions first :)`
`17:42.40`	`d0uglas`	`:P yourself!`
`17:42.45`	`d0uglas`	`i could be a hero here`
`17:43.02`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: wouldnt make much difference, lack of support for 386 is a bug they cant be bothered to fix ( to hard i guess )`
`17:43.05`	`cjuner`	`Seb well I tried them on qemu and it did work.`
`17:43.50`	`Seb`	`cjuner: ok, cool`
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`17:44.01`	`pelzi_`	`eh... and how would compiling for 686 "waste" the CPU less`
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`17:44.47`	`cjuner`	`Seb though I also got the newest libc6... but that shouldn't matter... binary compatibility between kernels is not a problem (read on some LKML that some programs compiled Linux 0.99 - so rather old hehe - were compatible to 2.6)`
`17:45.04`	`d0uglas`	`cjuner: newest as in the experimental one?`
`17:45.12`	`cjuner`	`d0uglas, unstable`
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`17:45.31`	`cjuner`	`few days ago, wanted to try out selinux ...`
`17:45.42`	`GoAuLd`	`valdyn theere is a lot of different, i tested a package cpu intensive named seti@home runnning for several days`
`17:46.01`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: no one cares for seti@home performance`
`17:46.15`	`JordiGH`	`It's cpu intensive?`
`17:46.23`	`GoAuLd`	`valdyn: first one compiled normaly, another compiled for my amd athlon xp, diference was BIG`
`17:46.24`	`JordiGH`	`I thought it was supposed to do exactly the opposite.`
`17:46.25`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: maybe you do ;), but thats not an indicator that anything else would be affected the same`
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`17:47.06`	`GoAuLd`	`the first delayed 3:45 Hours completing a unit and the other only 2:40 houss`
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`17:47.36`	`GoAuLd`	`thats a huge difference, and i think its the best indicator`
`17:47.43`	`DogWater`	`Anyone know which network card driver i should select for a broadcomm 1000mbps card during install?`
`17:47.55`	`pelzi_`	`seti@home is not a real world benchmark`
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`17:48.08`	`GoAuLd`	`why not?`
`17:48.12`	`GoAuLd`	`it uses cpu a lot`
`17:48.14`	`wols`	`pelzi_: countless seti@home users would disagree :)`
`17:48.19`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: if your computer is going to be used for seti@home, sure, but if you intend to get work done, there's nothing that matters less than seti@home`
`17:48.35`	`d0uglas`	`DogWater: 1000mps? hot damn! blazin'!`
`17:48.35`	`wols`	`GoAuLd: cause it's not a typical workload except for some "team whatever" doing seti`
`17:49.04`	`JordiGH`	`!octave`
`17:49.04`	`dpkg`	`octave is, like, a really cool matlab-alike http://octave.org`
`17:49.21`	`wols`	`there is the good old gold standard of linux benchmarks; a kernel compile :P`
`17:49.22`	`valdyn`	`most 'real' stuff is probably i/o bound anyway`
`17:49.25`	`GoAuLd`	`its not a tipical workload?`
`17:49.27`	`d0uglas`	`well, i use glxgears, but i have to use the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag`
`17:49.36`	`d0uglas`	`why is everybody so anal`
`17:50.01`	`pelzi_`	`a kernel compile at least does IO`
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`17:50.18`	`valdyn`	`d0uglas: just recently i had a patholigical case here who insisted that glxgears fps means alot`
`17:50.19`	`wols`	`but only integer...`
`17:50.21`	`GoAuLd`	`ok, ill talk about some daemons i had compiled here, 1 normal, another compiled for amd athlon xp`
`17:50.26`	`d0uglas`	`JordiGH: ever try wiping from the front?`
`17:50.34`	`d0uglas`	`more effective but you gotta watch out for the water`
`17:51.00`	`GoAuLd`	`in 48 hours of use, a normal amule eated 2 hours of cpu, the other only 30 minutes`
`17:51.02`	`d0uglas`	`valdyn: parenthetically, i get a better frame rate using vnc`
`17:51.11`	`valdyn`	`d0uglas: !`
`17:51.17`	`d0uglas`	`friggin ati`
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`17:51.35`	`pelzi_`	`god... amule is not a reproducible test!`
`17:51.51`	`JordiGH`	`What are we trying to benchmark anyways?`
`17:51.51`	`GoAuLd`	`the same aplys for other programs i tested before and after optimization flags`
`17:52.05`	`GoAuLd`	`and several days of running`
`17:52.11`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: you could try which 'cat /dev/urandom' grabs the higher average value`
`17:52.16`	`netcrash`	`Anyone know a good howto of debian for scsi raid 5 ?`
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`17:52.24`	`GoAuLd`	`optimized ones are 20% faster AT LEAST`
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`17:52.29`	`pelzi_`	`netcrash: hardware or software`
`17:52.34`	`netcrash`	`software`
`17:52.38`	`d0uglas`	`JordiGH: i think we're benchmarking benchmarkers' benchmarking flame-war effecacy`
`17:52.50`	`netcrash`	`pelzi_: software`
`17:53.00`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: no ones debating that optimisation does optimise benchmarks, just in the real world, there's about nothing that matters less`
`17:53.03`	`JordiGH`	`d0uglas :-)`
`17:53.19`	`Caelum`	`can you use globs in /etc/apt/preferences? Like Package: gnome or something`
`17:53.25`	`pelzi_`	`netcrash: the installer guides you through`
`17:53.36`	`GoAuLd`	`do you really thing a cat /dev/urandom is more reliable than testing normal programs of normal use in a long period before and after optimization?`
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`17:53.47`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: yea`
`17:53.47`	`d0uglas`	`if i got to wifi adapters, can I get kismet to go twice as fast, hopping around the channels and stuff?`
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`17:53.55`	`GoAuLd`	`why?`
`17:53.58`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: not really`
`17:54.05`	`pelzi_`	`amule is dependent on the network`
`17:54.09`	`d0uglas`	`too bad, that would be badass`
`17:54.17`	`pelzi_`	`and amule is very near a PRNG in itself`
`17:54.34`	`d0uglas`	`!prng`
`17:54.34`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, prng is a Pseudo-Random Number Generator`
`17:54.35`	`myren`	`ÿ5D/win goto 3`
`17:54.38`	`myren`	`pardon`
`17:54.43`	`GoAuLd`	`amuled cheked in same PC with same network`
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`17:54.48`	`GoAuLd`	`during several days`
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`17:55.01`	`netcrash`	`pelzi_: should I first set the partitions and then activate the raid ? or first activate the raid and have only one partition md for the hole mirror ?`
`17:55.24`	`GoAuLd`	`al tests gived the optimized amuled much more than a subtle improvement`
`17:55.36`	`d0uglas`	`i don't get that binary joke.. wouldn't it be nine types of people, not ten?`
`17:55.36`	`pelzi_`	`netcrash: umm.. I didn't understand, read a linux md howto`
`17:55.37`	`JordiGH`	`Crap. Has anyone else tried using libnoise? It's a rather specialised library, and a nifty one at that. However, its Debianisation leaves much to be desired.`
`17:55.44`	`JordiGH`	`!info libnoise`
`17:55.49`	`JordiGH`	`!info libnoise0`
`17:55.54`	`dpkg`	`libnoise0: (a portable, coherent noise-generating library for C++), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.9.0+1.0.0-RC1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 128 kB`
`17:56.03`	`netcrash`	`pelzi_: ok`
`17:56.05`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: eh?`
`17:56.20`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: -:- SignOff Deny_[All]: #deBiAn ("There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand`
`17:56.20`	`d0uglas`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:56.30`	`pelzi_`	`10 = 2`
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`17:56.37`	`pickcoder`	`heheh`
`17:56.37`	`d0uglas`	`oh.`
`17:56.41`	`JordiGH`	`Dude.`
`17:56.48`	`pelzi_`	`0 = 0, 1 = 1, 10 = 2`
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`17:56.50`	`pickcoder`	`that's classic`
`17:56.52`	`JordiGH`	`d0uglas: Like, joke's on you.`
`17:56.55`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: gentoo specialise in compiling software for pointless benchmarks , /j #gentoo`
`17:56.57`	`pelzi_`	`exactly.`
`17:57.16`	`d0uglas`	`JordiGH: well that isn't very nice`
`17:57.24`	`d0uglas`	`i'm lame enough as it is`
`17:57.24`	`Bracki`	`ah fuck i did a "chown -R root:root /etc". how can i figure out the settings as they were before?`
`17:57.38`	`valdyn`	`Bracki: restore from backup`
`17:57.43`	`pelzi_`	`yep.`
`17:57.44`	`d0uglas`	`heh`
`17:57.46`	`pelzi_`	`no other way`
`17:57.50`	`pelzi_`	`look in /var/backups`
`17:57.51`	`d0uglas`	`good luck with all that bracki`
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`17:58.36`	`Bracki`	`what exactly am i supposed to find there?`
`17:58.39`	`pickcoder`	`if you've written a binary clock, my may be a geek..`
`17:58.43`	`pickcoder`	`s/my/you`
`17:58.48`	`GoAuLd`	`i consider a pointless benchmark to omtimize firefox abiword or xchat, but not daemons running ALL the time, daemon that after a week working shows a cpu eating of hours each`
`17:59.02`	`pelzi_`	`eh...?`
`17:59.09`	`Bracki`	`in /var/backups?`
`17:59.13`	`pelzi_`	`with firefox you might actually know a difference`
`17:59.14`	`GoAuLd`	`seen with top command`
`17:59.15`	`valdyn`	`Bracki: most of your files there should be ok though`
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`17:59.41`	`JordiGH`	`Fire^H^H^H^H IceWeasel mostly needs to be optimised for memory consumption, methinks.`
`17:59.44`	`ma3x`	`usb 3-3: USB disconnect, address 7`
`17:59.44`	`ma3x`	`scsi 6:0:0:0: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery`
`17:59.48`	`valdyn`	`Bracki: /etc/shadow is root.shadow, guess that one is particularily important`
`17:59.50`	`ma3x`	`is there a way to get up the hard drive running?`
`18:00.18`	`valdyn`	`Bracki: same for /etc/gshadow`
`18:00.22`	`pelzi_`	`JordiGH: true, 2.0 should actually be faster`
`18:00.24`	`ma3x`	`usb 2-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110`
`18:00.28`	`ma3x`	`valdyn: hi`
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`18:01.20`	`JordiGH`	`pelzi_: With the current Firefox, someone showed me in about:config how to cut down memory consumption almost by 1/2, I think.`
`18:01.28`	`pelzi_`	`wow`
`18:01.40`	`GoAuLd`	`JordiGH: how?`
`18:02.07`	`valdyn`	`firefox mem usage _largely_ depends on how much ram you have`
`18:02.15`	`pelzi_`	`well, might not be such a good thing really (it's always speed vs memory consumption)`
`18:02.18`	`roxy_`	`on amd64/testing, I see little square instead of kanji in konqueror. I aptitude install XXX, XXX being all the font that looks like it could be a japanese font but with same result. What else ?`
`18:02.18`	`valdyn`	`for some people thats ok, for some it isnt..`
`18:02.20`	`d0uglas`	`and how much porn you open up at the same time`
`18:02.23`	`d0uglas`	`s/porn/pron`
`18:02.55`	`pelzi_`	`roxy_: use a locale which supports japanese or fix the browser`
`18:03.07`	`d0uglas`	`google web accelerator under wine: is it cool, or is it whack?`
`18:03.08`	`JordiGH`	`GoAuLd: It was rather obscure settings. Let me see if I can find out what I changed. It was yanked from the bowels of a deep, dark dungeon, somewhere in one of the Firefox forums.`
`18:03.10`	`cjuner`	`When will the firefox rename in etch be done?`
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`18:03.42`	`valdyn`	`cjuner: ~10 days or few more`
`18:03.43`	`Quark`	`enyone here know where i can find w32codec source please ?`
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`18:04.00`	`valdyn`	`Quark: _source_ ?`
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`18:04.04`	`Bushmills`	`Quark: apt-cache search w32c`
`18:04.09`	`d0uglas`	`cjuner: # IceWeasel will be available in Debian apt (initially in Debian unstable) in October 2006 (IceDove is already in Debian unstable since 14 October 2006) -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel#Debian`
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`18:04.16`	`pelzi_`	`!marillat`
`18:04.16`	`dpkg`	`hmm... marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location.`
`18:04.19`	`d0uglas`	`oh.. well i guess that doesn't help much`
`18:04.27`	`JordiGH`	`What's IceDove? Thunderbird?`
`18:04.27`	`Bushmills`	`ah, source, sry`
`18:04.30`	`GoAuLd`	`20:06:50 up 2:21, 1 user, load average: 1.38, 0.74, 0.48 (i want a load average of 0.1) so lets compile everything for pentium 3`
`18:04.30`	`JordiGH`	`!icedove`
`18:04.31`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, icedove is due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel.`
`18:04.34`	`DogWater`	`anyone ever figure out how to get gigabit broadcomm nics to install debian?`
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`18:04.46`	`d0uglas`	`dove sounds like the opposite of bird i guess`
`18:04.52`	`Quark`	`pelzi_, i don't want put marillat repository in source.list`
`18:04.53`	`d0uglas`	`well maybe not the opposite`
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`18:05.04`	`vahid`	`hello`
`18:05.05`	`pelzi_`	`Quark: then be without it, dammit`
`18:05.15`	`brockie`	`so what is thunderbird now?`
`18:05.15`	`Quark`	`mmmm`
`18:05.16`	`vahid`	`i install Sarge without X`
`18:05.19`	`d0uglas`	`Quark: idealist?`
`18:05.20`	`pelzi_`	`DogWater: broadcom is a bitch, use another card for installing`
`18:05.22`	`valdyn`	`Quark: what's wrong with marillat?`
`18:05.25`	`Quark`	`d0uglas, no`
`18:05.44`	`DogWater`	`all of my builds are kickstarted`
`18:05.44`	`Quark`	`http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-italian/2003/03/msg00042.html <---- this`
`18:05.48`	`pelzi_`	`idealist who wants to install w32codecs? ;)`
`18:06.04`	`JordiGH`	`browser.cache.memory.capacity has to be an integer in about:config set to -1.`
`18:06.07`	`JordiGH`	`There was one more change...`
`18:06.07`	`pjz`	`so I know how to install a particular version of a package with apt-get`
`18:06.12`	`d0uglas`	`vahid: oh yeah? i installed sid without x`
`18:06.13`	`brockie`	`anyway, how do I load XP with debian?`
`18:06.15`	`vahid`	`howwhat is name of X package?`
`18:06.18`	`brockie`	`i have etch`
`18:06.20`	`Bushmills`	`marillat is now debian-multimedia.org iirc`
`18:06.20`	`pjz`	`but how do pin just that package since it's not the latest one?`
`18:06.25`	`valdyn`	`GoAuLd: load isnt just cpu`
`18:06.35`	`brockie`	`i did an awk and everything`
`18:06.41`	`brockie`	`then i did a sed`
`18:06.43`	`d0uglas`	`DogWater: yeah, what pelzi said, broadcom sucks even more than ati`
`18:06.44`	`brockie`	`just to make sure`
`18:06.45`	`pelzi_`	`valdyn: amen`
`18:06.46`	`d0uglas`	`if that's possible`
`18:06.54`	`pelzi_`	`it is`
`18:06.58`	`pelzi_`	`ati gives binaries`
`18:07.06`	`d0uglas`	`True, true.`
`18:07.09`	`DogWater`	`i dunno it works in 6 other installers`
`18:07.12`	`pelzi_`	`broadcom has a driver, and laughs there but does not give it to us`
`18:07.22`	`brockie`	`How do I load XP with debian?`
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`18:07.30`	`pelzi_`	`** is XP`
`18:07.30`	`JordiGH`	`!wine`
`18:07.30`	`dpkg`	`i guess wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage.`
`18:07.35`	`GoAuLd`	`brockie at the same time ?`
`18:07.43`	`d0uglas`	`ndiswrapperred broadcom doesn't work with kismet :(`
`18:07.47`	`GoAuLd`	`:)`
`18:07.54`	`wols`	`brockie: qemu, xen, vmware, parallels`
`18:08.09`	`JordiGH`	`brockie: Do you want to reboot into Windows XP or do you want to run a select few Windows applications from Debian? In the latter, wine might work.`
`18:08.14`	`d0uglas`	`or does it? any updates?`
`18:08.21`	`pjz`	`how do I pin a single package at an old release level so that it won't get upgraded until I do a dist-upgrade?`
`18:08.23`	`Bushmills`	`brockie: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/shm reads whole xp into memory`
`18:08.28`	`brockie`	`GoAuLd, well i have already done a ifconfig\|grep inet\| awk '{print $2}'`
`18:08.36`	`*** join/#debian unfo (n=j@CPE0004e2d9f884-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`18:08.59`	`JordiGH`	`Crap. Those pipers who also use awk intimidate me.`
`18:09.00`	`brockie`	`JordiGH, i want to run WoW from linux with windows or whatever`
`18:09.10`	`brockie`	`or xine or whatever it is`
`18:09.11`	`JordiGH`	`What's WoW?`
`18:09.17`	`unfo`	`hi all, is there a good alternative to teamspeak (IRC-like voice chat) in apt?`
`18:09.21`	`Bushmills`	`ehm ... /dev/shm/xp, even`
`18:09.21`	`pelzi_`	`JordiGH: awk is cleaner than cut ;)`
`18:09.25`	`*** join/#debian Charminthemoose (n=andrew@83.70.247.171)`
`18:09.28`	`DogWater`	`world of warcraft`
`18:09.30`	`brockie`	`don't any linux ppl play games?`
`18:09.32`	`unfo`	`(teamspeak is commercial software not in apt.)`
`18:09.34`	`DogWater`	`and its probably not gonna work`
`18:09.37`	`brockie`	`awk is different than cut`
`18:09.44`	`*** join/#debian SeanTater (n=sean@cpe-069-132-052-158.carolina.res.rr.com)`
`18:09.44`	`vahid`	`i wnat install x and firefox what package need i install?`
`18:09.51`	`pjz`	`brockie: sure, but we play linux games`
`18:09.52`	`JordiGH`	`!wesnoth`
`18:09.52`	`dpkg`	`[wesnoth] a fun game. An old version is in sarge, a new one in sid. No version at all in etch anymore because...?`
`18:09.53`	`d0uglas`	`unfo: gaim's got voice support and chat "room" stuff too i think`
`18:09.55`	`pelzi_`	`WoW works in Cedega.`
`18:10.02`	`JordiGH`	`!info wesnoth`
`18:10.05`	`unfo`	`d0uglas: gaim has voice support??`
`18:10.10`	`brockie`	`pjz, ok, i'll stop playing WoW and play Tux World`
`18:10.12`	`pelzi_`	`but Cedega is commercial, I haven't used it`
`18:10.18`	`dpkg`	`wesnoth: (fantasy turn-based strategy game), section games, is optional. Version: 1.1.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1944 kB, Installed size: 4304 kB`
`18:10.19`	`d0uglas`	`unfo: now that i think about it, i'm not sure why i just said that`
`18:10.22`	`brockie`	`a wonderful world of simulated penguin fun`
`18:10.22`	`DogWater`	`not sure what the point is to trying to play wow on linux when it works better in xp`
`18:10.24`	`Bushmills`	`vahid: xorg and firefox should do`
`18:10.39`	`brockie`	`DogWater, yeah, i guess i'll just use XP to play it`
`18:10.45`	`Bushmills`	`unfo: not yet. supposed to be "imminent" whatever that means`
`18:10.46`	`JordiGH`	`I think I've heard success stories of playing that particular game (WoW) with Wine. You'll have to grep the internet for it, though.`
`18:10.48`	`brockie`	`i wanted to get rid of Windows altogether`
`18:10.49`	`unfo`	`d0uglas: thats ok you've probably just been in front of the computer too long :)`
`18:10.52`	`pelzi_`	`well because XP is </3`
`18:11.07`	`pelzi_`	`and AFAIK WoW is even supported with Cedega`
`18:11.17`	`brockie`	`yeah but plays it like crap`
`18:11.19`	`brockie`	`i tried`
`18:11.23`	`DogWater`	`huh, the 2.6.16 version of the installer works fine with the broadcomm nics, i wonder if they're ever gonna fix it in the official installer`
`18:11.26`	`pelzi_`	`then use windows`
`18:11.28`	`brockie`	`i'll just use windows ... dual boot i gues`
`18:11.29`	`brockie`	`s`
`18:11.38`	`pelzi_`	`DogWater: just wait`
`18:11.42`	`wols`	`DogWater: no they won't. etch will have 2.6.18 tho`
`18:11.47`	`pelzi_`	`DogWater: the current stable is old.`
`18:12.04`	`vahid`	`:(`
`18:12.06`	`d0uglas`	`brockie: why play games when you can get all the challenging fun setting up video and sound with debian`
`18:12.07`	`*** join/#debian crazy_penguin (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/crazypenguin/x-000001)`
`18:12.07`	`wols`	`brockie: winehq.com. WoW can run with some caveats in WINE`
`18:12.13`	`DogWater`	`the guy that makes all of the custom installers is pretty cool`
`18:12.16`	`brockie`	`d0uglas, i know it baby`
`18:12.18`	`Bushmills`	`why do people run linux when they want to run windows programs anyway?`
`18:12.24`	`wols`	`d0uglas: if you played that through once you can't play it anymore`
`18:12.25`	`pelzi_`	`but why use linux at all. just spend all your time in WoW.`
`18:12.26`	`brockie`	`wols, yeah, but i think i'll just dual boot`
`18:12.31`	`wols`	`unless you buy a new videocard. not fun`
`18:12.37`	`ohad`	`hi, i am trying to setup my sound card - intel Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 27de`
`18:12.38`	`brockie`	`truth be told, i've never played WoW`
`18:12.46`	`ohad`	`any ideas how to make that puppy work?`
`18:12.49`	`d0uglas`	`wols: i've gotten many hours of gameplay out of it`
`18:12.50`	`JordiGH`	`Or play id games, since at least they consistently provide binaries for GNU/Linux systems and eventually even GPL their source!`
`18:12.52`	`JordiGH`	`!info freedoom`
`18:12.53`	`DogWater`	`your wife/girlfriend/kids appreciate you not playing wow`
`18:12.54`	`brockie`	`i just needed a little troll after my 6 pack`
`18:12.55`	`dpkg`	`freedoom: (free game files for the 3D game DOOM), section games, is optional. Version: 0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6915 kB, Installed size: 18372 kB`
`18:13.08`	`deadcat`	`pitillo: my alt key works. it was that i couldnt ctrl+alt+fN to go console for a while.. i thought it was my openbox keymaps or something...`
`18:13.13`	`DogWater`	`dude, doom on xbox 360 live is awesome :D`
`18:13.15`	`DogWater`	`old school!!`
`18:13.16`	`d0uglas`	`<dragorn:#kismet> I have a low opinion of debian that it would not be constructive to go into`
`18:13.17`	`d0uglas`	`:(`
`18:13.22`	`brockie`	`the closest i get to games is playing runescape`
`18:13.39`	`JordiGH`	`!info enigma`
`18:13.41`	`dpkg`	`enigma: (A game where you control a marble with the mouse), section games, is optional. Version: 0.92.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 600 kB, Installed size: 1728 kB`
`18:13.43`	`Bushmills`	`ohad: try the snd-intel8x0 module`
`18:13.49`	`x_link`	`I just took out my other 16MB video card and put in a 64MB Nividia MX-400 TV-Out.`
`18:13.54`	`DogWater`	`i've played all of the mmorpgs released thus far and im hoping vanguard and warhammer crush wow`
`18:13.56`	`x_link`	`Can somebody help me with the drivers ?`
`18:13.59`	`brockie`	`JordiGH, sounds like something i'd like ;)`
`18:14.01`	`pelzi_`	`I IRC. I don't need more ways of wasting time :P`
`18:14.06`	`x_link`	`I just had the video card, I don't have any drivers.`
`18:14.12`	`DogWater`	`but wow is IRC with pictures!`
`18:14.14`	`Charminthemoose`	`another good game for linux/windows is Netpanzer`
`18:14.16`	`x_link`	`pelzi_: Maybe you can help me?`
`18:14.23`	`pelzi_`	`DogWater: and stupid people to talk with`
`18:14.26`	`*** join/#debian XoR (n=XoR@85.254.200.164)`
`18:14.31`	`pjz`	`DogWater: I find it difficult to believe you've played all of them`
`18:14.36`	`pelzi_`	`x_link: update your pci ids`
`18:14.36`	`Charminthemoose`	`pity freecraft was dropped`
`18:14.41`	`Charminthemoose`	`(a long time ago)`
`18:14.42`	`brockie`	`the only game i've been playing lately is called SQL injection`
`18:14.47`	`*** join/#debian SeanTater (n=sean@cpe-069-132-052-158.carolina.res.rr.com)`
`18:14.51`	`brockie`	`ubuntu are my favorite gaming partners`
`18:14.54`	`pelzi_`	`pickcoder: it rocked`
`18:15.05`	`JordiGH`	`Charminthemoose: The problem with freecraft is that they were making it look too much like the original. Freedoom has avoided that problem so far.`
`18:15.32`	`ohad`	`Bushmills, where do i find this pkg? i can't apt get it and google is not showing anything either`
`18:15.32`	`brockie`	`the most unsecured/improperly installed *nix apps in the world can be accessed from this channel`
`18:15.32`	`JordiGH`	`pickcoder: Praithee elaborate on your ponderous ponderings.`
`18:15.34`	`brockie`	`it's wonderful`
`18:15.49`	`*** part/#debian gdfuego (n=gboyce@c-24-128-176-132.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`18:16.02`	`unfo`	`don't freecraft have alternate tilesets and alternate game plugins like that outer-space one too?`
`18:16.13`	`brockie`	`we used to think 'doze botnets rocked`
`18:16.14`	`DogWater`	`pjz: Ultima Online, Everquest, Everquest 2, Horizons, Final Fantasy 11, D&D Online, World of Warcraft, Eve, Earth and Beyond, Star Wars Galaxies, planetside, City of Heroes, City of Villians, Anarchy Online, archlord, and guildwars are the CDs I have on my desk atm`
`18:16.21`	`brockie`	`until ubuntu fanbois came on the scene`
`18:16.26`	`DogWater`	`probably not all of them`
`18:16.26`	`unfo`	`WoW sorta works on wine.`
`18:16.30`	`DogWater`	`i didnt play the wierd korean ones`
`18:16.51`	`unfo`	`IIRC requires a fair bit of configuration but then works well.`
`18:16.59`	`pickcoder`	`JordiGH: did you see the WoW episode?`
`18:17.08`	`*** join/#debian Mitja (n=Mitja@unaffiliated/mitja)`
`18:17.09`	`brockie`	`anyway, where is the channel for homsensual ubuntu users?`
`18:17.13`	`brockie`	`so discrimatory`
`18:17.19`	`orestyle3`	`in the messages log file, what does -- MARK ---- MARK --`
`18:17.23`	`*** join/#debian ptlis (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com)`
`18:17.23`	`d0uglas`	`homsensual?`
`18:17.32`	`orestyle3`	`in the messages log file, what does -- MARK -- mean?`
`18:17.34`	`brockie`	`it's like homsexual, only more gentle`
`18:17.35`	`myren`	`how can i see what repository a package is from in aptitude?`
`18:17.36`	`pjz`	`DogWater: What about that thing in the desert?`
`18:17.45`	`JordiGH`	`pickcoder: I guess I'll just go to Wikipedia to get the synopsis. One moment.`
`18:17.46`	`pelzi_`	`brockie: there are gay people around`
`18:17.47`	`DogWater`	`pjz ?`
`18:17.56`	`pickcoder`	`orestyle3: it's just a live time stamp`
`18:17.59`	`brockie`	`pelzi_, i want to develop for them`
`18:18.08`	`JordiGH`	`FF is already up to 11? I need to get out of #debian more often.`
`18:18.11`	`DogWater`	`ohh, i also played dark ages of camelot`
`18:18.12`	`d0uglas`	`brockie: well i don't know if Ubunto has gay support but Debian has Lesbian Debian`
`18:18.13`	`orestyle3`	`pickcoder: so nothing to worry about...?`
`18:18.13`	`pelzi_`	`brockie: what do you wanna develop for me`
`18:18.16`	`brockie`	`i'm an exclusively gay programmer`
`18:18.18`	`DogWater`	`dont forget that one`
`18:18.21`	`d0uglas`	`!lesbian`
`18:18.21`	`pjz`	`DogWater: A Tale in the Desert`
`18:18.22`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that lesbian is probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/`
`18:18.27`	`brockie`	`pelzi_, are you gay?`
`18:18.30`	`pickcoder`	`JordiGH: written words can not portray enough`
`18:18.30`	`pelzi_`	`yes.`
`18:18.34`	`DogWater`	`isnt that the Myst mmor?`
`18:18.41`	`brockie`	`pelzi_, then let me meet your software needs`
`18:18.43`	`DogWater`	`never played it, so i guess you're right`
`18:18.45`	`*** join/#debian lordlamer (n=lordlame@p548EE5A0.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`18:18.46`	`brockie`	`pelzi_, what do you need?`
`18:18.48`	`pelzi_`	`brockie: lol`
`18:18.49`	`pickcoder`	`orestyle3: nope.. nothing to worry about, unless that stop happening`
`18:18.55`	`pickcoder`	`s/that/they`
`18:19.05`	`pelzi_`	`write me a winblows backup application ;)`
`18:19.15`	`pelzi_`	`like rsync, that works around all the winblows pains.`
`18:19.20`	`pjz`	`DogWater: no, it's a more collaborative mmorpg; differnt style than the standard dikumud-with-graphics ones`
`18:19.26`	`brockie`	`well, i have a backup prog i've written in perl for windows`
`18:19.28`	`pickcoder`	`pelzi_: check out Alohasoft`
`18:19.43`	`DogWater`	`these new dell 1900s are fast`
`18:19.47`	`brockie`	`it's used for a largish (300 ppl+) company`
`18:19.50`	`DogWater`	`i highly suggest them to anyone who has the means`
`18:20.09`	`brockie`	`since you are fully fruity, i'll give you the source`
`18:20.10`	`DogWater`	`nothin like seeing 8 cpus in your dmesg`
`18:20.12`	`unfo`	`JordiGH: see my Blootbot wishlist "391314: want Wikipedia module" http://bugs.debian.org/391314`
`18:20.14`	`myren`	`lesbian was formed by less b and ian`
`18:20.22`	`pelzi_`	`brockie: wow`
`18:20.26`	`myren`	`DogWater: come here so i can maim you and steal your computer`
`18:20.42`	`brockie`	`pelzi_, you are having probs backing up windows?`
`18:20.42`	`JordiGH`	`For some reason, Wikipedia now seems to be part of the blacklisted sites from this Linux machine which nevertheless does load from Windows. >:(`
`18:20.54`	`pjz`	`DogWater: what? no Puzzle Pirates?`
`18:20.58`	`pelzi_`	`brockie: I need something to backup my mother's work.`
`18:21.12`	`*** join/#debian johns^ (n=john@decande.xs4all.nl)`
`18:21.21`	`brockie`	`pelzi_, do a partition backup`
`18:21.29`	`pelzi_`	`brockie: and I'm not very interested in wasting a lot of time (she refuses to give up a huge ms word macro so I'm stuck)`
`18:21.31`	`brockie`	`not a gay one though`
`18:21.32`	`DogWater`	`jesus I wish it would let you pick a different mirror if the one you're downloading from is going at 60kb/sec`
`18:21.34`	`DogWater`	`accck`
`18:21.44`	`unfo`	`pelzi_: tell her to copy her My Documents to a USB stick.`
`18:21.47`	`cjuner`	`pelzi_, what about unison? I heard it works under cygwin`
`18:21.55`	`brockie`	`pelzi_, well, actually i use Acronis for all my backups`
`18:21.55`	`pickcoder`	`gah.. it's Alohabob...`
`18:22.02`	`brockie`	`pelzi_, it really is the best`
`18:22.05`	`pickcoder`	`pelzi_: http://www.alohabob.com/`
`18:22.09`	`pelzi_`	`unfo: more than a gig.`
`18:22.12`	`pelzi_`	`I'll see.`
`18:22.15`	`DogWater`	`Acronis is pretty good, but it crushes your bootloader if you use a different disk size to restore`
`18:22.16`	`brockie`	`i can restore within 5 mins, no lie`
`18:22.16`	`pickcoder`	`I use PC Relocator and it rocks`
`18:22.20`	`unfo`	`pelzi_: external HDD or DVD-RW`
`18:22.24`	`brockie`	`DogWater, just reinstall grub`
`18:22.30`	`DogWater`	`who has time for that?`
`18:22.32`	`pickcoder`	`PC Backup is based on the same engine, it just doesn't transfer live`
`18:22.42`	`pelzi_`	`I'd like a network backup`
`18:22.45`	`brockie`	`i've used them all, Acronis is th ebest`
`18:22.48`	`DogWater`	`i just use retrospect`
`18:22.53`	`brockie`	`pelzi_, acronis will do that as well`
`18:22.53`	`DogWater`	`shrug`
`18:22.59`	`pelzi_`	`ok`
`18:23.00`	`valdyn`	`pelzi_: rsync runs on windows`
`18:23.03`	`brockie`	`i don't work for them or anything, just relating my experiences`
`18:23.09`	`pjz`	`duplicity`
`18:23.12`	`brockie`	`fsck rsynk`
`18:23.12`	`pelzi_`	`valdyn: how well`
`18:23.14`	`unfo`	`pelzi_: there's a place that gives IIRC two gigabytes free storage. it was reviewed in PC Magazine 6 months ago or so.`
`18:23.16`	`pickcoder`	`GAH.. Microsoft has aquired them`
`18:23.27`	`unfo`	`pelzi_: they are a network backup service.`
`18:23.28`	`pickcoder`	`I guess it'll either disappear soon or it will be in the next major release`
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`18:23.35`	`brockie`	`i thought someone would mention dd :)`
`18:23.43`	`DogWater`	`that microsoft data center protection manager thing is pretty cool except all of your targets to backup have to be on the same NT domain`
`18:23.45`	`valdyn`	`pelzi_: no idea, i mount the smb share and rsync that, using dirvish`
`18:23.53`	`pelzi_`	`I have a big backup server.`
`18:23.57`	`brockie`	`jebus`
`18:23.58`	`*** join/#debian OleMoudi (n=TK422@137.Red-83-50-225.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net)`
`18:24.14`	`DogWater`	`yep, 1.7TB of SATA II on a 3ware`
`18:24.17`	`DogWater`	`thats my backup server`
`18:24.18`	`pickcoder`	`brockie: you can perform a backup of Win without copying the entire partition`
`18:24.22`	`DogWater`	`raid-6`
`18:24.34`	`brockie`	`pickcoder, i only have to backup the home folders`
`18:24.40`	`brockie`	`you can tell i'm a *nix person :)`
`18:24.43`	`pelzi_`	`mine is currently 250g of raid-1`
`18:24.47`	`brockie`	`the system, who cares?`
`18:25.03`	`brockie`	`dump the users down to another disk, no probs`
`18:25.07`	`DogWater`	`well, i really like retrospect for disk to disk to tape`
`18:25.10`	`pickcoder`	`speaking of 3ware.. my array refuses to rebuild`
`18:25.12`	`brockie`	`daily, then weekly, then monthly`
`18:25.13`	`DogWater`	`thats my suggestion`
`18:25.52`	`unfo`	`i wonder if it'd be possible to do git backups.`
`18:25.57`	`brockie`	`pickcoder, ever used Acronis?`
`18:26.10`	`pjz`	`duplicity to S3 is my favorite backup solution`
`18:26.13`	`pickcoder`	`brockie: nope`
`18:26.21`	`brockie`	`backup and restore are my favs`
`18:26.28`	`unfo`	`you could do full backups of as many windows machines as you wanted and it would only store one copy of each common file found on all machines.`
`18:26.34`	`brockie`	`pickcoder, it is nice`
`18:26.43`	`ohad`	`where do i load my modprobe modules? in what rc.d location?`
`18:26.46`	`brockie`	`and it's free@!`
`18:26.53`	`brockie`	`if you use a pirate copy`
`18:27.01`	`abrotman`	`/etc/modules`
`18:27.07`	`ohad`	`it doesn't seem like the modprobe of the module stays in the lsmod after i reboot`
`18:27.08`	`*** join/#debian Turin (n=Turin@158.pool85-60-131.dynamic.uni2.es)`
`18:27.21`	`pickcoder`	`that girl has to either be extremely rich.. or really ticked off`
`18:27.27`	`abrotman`	`ohad: /etc/modules`
`18:27.34`	`pickcoder`	`her photo is all over the 'net`
`18:27.44`	`DogWater`	`hmm i should prolly go get a car wash, the SI is lookin kind of filthy`
`18:27.59`	`ohad`	`go tit`
`18:28.00`	`GoAuLd`	`what girl? i want to see her`
`18:28.06`	`Turin`	`me too`
`18:28.08`	`pickcoder`	`acronis web site`
`18:28.15`	`pickcoder`	`we purchased rights to use that photo here`
`18:28.18`	`brockie`	`apt-get install hot-sluts`
`18:28.27`	`DogWater`	`brockie: i'll be right over`
`18:28.28`	`DogWater`	`errr`
`18:28.29`	`DogWater`	`wait`
`18:28.30`	`DogWater`	`nm`
`18:28.30`	`*** kick/#debian [DogWater!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood)`
`18:28.37`	`brockie`	`how mean`
`18:28.40`	`*** join/#debian DogWater (i=DogWater@dhcp91.cmh.ee.net)`
`18:28.46`	`DogWater`	`it was worth it for the comedy`
`18:28.48`	`brockie`	`seemed like a doze thing to do`
`18:28.50`	`DogWater`	`anyway im goin to lunch`
`18:28.54`	`brockie`	`DogWater, i still respect you`
`18:28.58`	`DogWater`	`lol`
`18:29.13`	`pickcoder`	`wonder why it hasn't been certified to work with Debian`
`18:29.19`	`pickcoder`	`Ubuntu is listed`
`18:29.41`	`brockie`	`please never mention that bastard distro again`
`18:29.44`	`brockie`	`ever`
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`18:30.17`	`JordiGH`	`Ubuntu is nice.`
`18:30.25`	`brockie`	`JordiGH, omg`
`18:30.28`	`*** part/#debian Noky (n=dnardell@200.68.89.17)`
`18:30.33`	`brockie`	`you really hate me :(`
`18:30.45`	`brockie`	`all i ever lived for was debian`
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`18:30.51`	`brockie`	`then ubuntu came along`
`18:30.58`	`JordiGH`	`No, but Ubuntu is doing a good job. It's not hurting Debian.`
`18:31.01`	`brockie`	`i don't feel so special anymore`
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`18:31.06`	`JordiGH`	`Debian developers aren't fleeing to Ubuntu.`
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`18:31.13`	`brockie`	`even my Mom can use debian now :(`
`18:31.23`	`Turin`	`thanks to people like you`
`18:31.23`	`beardy`	`!based on`
`18:31.23`	`dpkg`	`You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis>`
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`18:31.48`	`beardy`	`brockie: Not more than before. Or, of course she can.`
`18:31.48`	`brockie`	`!freebsd over the joke that is debian for servers`
`18:31.49`	`dpkg`	`brockie: okay`
`18:32.01`	`Bracki`	`is there a way to find out which file belongs to which pkg?`
`18:32.02`	`brockie`	`oh, no answers :(`
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`18:32.14`	`JordiGH`	`!freebsd`
`18:32.14`	`dpkg`	`from memory, freebsd is NOT better than debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. See http://www.freebsd.org/. Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. there exists debian gnu/kfreebsd, see #gnu-kbsd`
`18:32.18`	`beardy`	`brockie: man dpkg`
`18:32.29`	`pjz`	`how do I pin a single package at an old release level so that it won't get upgraded until I do a dist-upgrade?`
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`18:32.39`	`stew`	`pjz: /msg dpkg hold`
`18:32.42`	`brockie`	`JordiGH, lol, didnt know the bot had an entry for that`
`18:32.47`	`brockie`	`JordiGH, nice one`
`18:32.48`	`pjz`	`stew: thanks`
`18:33.03`	`CoNdA`	`Is there a way to free up ports, I can't get dc++ to open TCP port because some other program, now killed, "still" use the port.`
`18:33.03`	`kmap`	`Hi! I wanted to know where ssh actually logs its output on Debian`
`18:33.03`	`cjuner`	`cjuner: man dpkg`
`18:33.11`	`JordiGH`	`pickcoder: I'm at the acronis website. Which girl are you talking about? I must be one of the cognoscenti and participate in the mirth of this particular joke.`
`18:33.14`	`brockie`	`kmap, /var/log/auth.log?`
`18:33.20`	`myren`	`FUCK rtorrent, fuck it in the ass`
`18:33.27`	`pickcoder`	`JordiGH: the live chat pic`
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`18:33.29`	`d0uglas`	`myren: amen brother!`
`18:33.31`	`Charminthemoose`	`what's wrong with ubuntu?`
`18:33.31`	`myren`	`wonderful interface but the fucking cunt always got damn segfaults`
`18:33.34`	`d0uglas`	`what's rtorrent?`
`18:33.35`	`azeem`	`myren: please check your language`
`18:33.40`	`brockie`	`myren, let's not fuck anything in the anus unless consent is given, ok?`
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`18:33.44`	`kmap`	`brockie: auth.log has only a pam_unix entry for the login`
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`18:33.47`	`Charminthemoose`	`imo it's just another distro...`
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`18:33.57`	`myren`	`ok. i will check my language, just as i check this bloody app out the window`
`18:33.58`	`d0uglas`	`myren: you got passion, don't let go of that`
`18:34.03`	`karsten`	`kmap: /var/log/auth.log, daemon.log, system.log.`
`18:34.04`	`chovy`	`where are the primary nameserver files in debian?`
`18:34.06`	`myren`	`;)`
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`18:34.14`	`stew`	`chovy: man resolv.conf`
`18:34.15`	`brockie`	`Charminthemoose, lol yeppers`
`18:34.15`	`myren`	`(who have i just made cringe?)`
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`18:34.16`	`chovy`	`is it /var/cache/bind? or is that just a temporary file`
`18:34.18`	`pickcoder`	`passion and rage are the same aren't they?`
`18:34.21`	`kmap`	`karsten: thanks I'll check it!`
`18:34.24`	`karsten`	`kmap: Helps if you enable verbose logging, there's not much that's logged as a matter of course.`
`18:34.33`	`Bushmills`	`chovy: explain what you are looking for`
`18:34.40`	`pickcoder`	`I have lots of passion when the install fails 5 times in a row`
`18:34.41`	`stew`	`chovy: oh, wherever /etc/bind/named.conf is pointing`
`18:34.42`	`JordiGH`	`myren: s/check/chuck`
`18:34.44`	`d0uglas`	`pickcoder: especially in bed`
`18:34.45`	`Bushmills`	`chovy: installing a name server?`
`18:35.10`	`chovy`	`Bushmills: all i see is /etc/bind/named.conf, but the files referenced in there i cannot find on the system.`
`18:35.13`	`myren`	`JordiGH: hockey check`
`18:35.15`	`h3sp4wn`	`myren: rtorrent is the best torrent client (if you are not using it to obtain illegal stuff which uses non standard trackers)`
`18:35.23`	`kmap`	`karsten: already on verbose`
`18:35.28`	`myren`	`rtorrent crashes INCESSANTLY on me`
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`18:35.42`	`Bracki`	`can dpkg -L also show ownership and permissions?`
`18:35.42`	`chovy`	`directory "/var/cache/bind";`
`18:35.44`	`stew`	`myren: have you checked the bts and/or filed bugs?`
`18:35.44`	`d0uglas`	`ktorrent: is it cool, or is it whack?`
`18:35.45`	`Bushmills`	`chovy: no db.root in /etc/bind?`
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`18:36.03`	`karsten`	`kmap: If you're trying to resolve a particular issue, running nondaemonized in verbose mode and tee'ing output to a file yourself is my usual solution.`
`18:36.03`	`DrHOUSE`	`myren: rtorrent.rc > check hash = no`
`18:36.06`	`h3sp4wn`	`myren: Works perfecly here`
`18:36.07`	`chovy`	`Bushmills: yes. but not the domain files...they appear to be relative paths to /var/cache/bind`
`18:36.21`	`kmap`	`karsten: I am merely trying to see who's port forwarding`
`18:36.25`	`DrHOUSE`	`.rtorrentrc*`
`18:36.38`	`karsten`	`kmap: Hrm... Interesting.`
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`18:37.13`	`Bushmills`	`chovy: debian knows nothing about your domain. you need to create that one yourself`
`18:37.17`	`d0uglas`	`so.. what are some ways to keep tabs on people who spoof mac addresses? what other "fingerprints" are there that don't require complex data auditing to see?`
`18:37.21`	`karsten`	`kmap: What's your loglevel (/etc/ssh/sshd_conf)?`
`18:37.32`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: umm?`
`18:37.44`	`kmap`	`karsten: /etc/ssh/sshd_config: LogLevel VERBOSE`
`18:37.50`	`karsten`	`kmap: OK.`
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`18:38.04`	`kombi`	`when installing stable with md, things get ultra slow, has anyone had that too?`
`18:38.07`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: how do admins control abuse from someone who knows how to spoof mac addresses`
`18:38.09`	`karsten`	`d0uglas: Not a whole lot. OS fingerprinting if you know what the particular mac _should_ have.`
`18:38.11`	`kmap`	`karsten, all I'm looking for is the right log file...`
`18:38.24`	`d0uglas`	`karsen: isn't that an intel thing?`
`18:38.25`	`kombi`	`every screen takes like a minute or so..`
`18:38.27`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: they know which wire they are connected to`
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`18:38.37`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: what about wireless`
`18:38.39`	`karsten`	`kmap: find /var/log -type f -mtime -1 -print0 \| xargs grep -l ssh`
`18:38.43`	`zOrK`	`I am having some troubles with perl locales. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").`
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`18:38.46`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: they don't`
`18:38.46`	`zOrK`	`how can I fix it?`
`18:38.52`	`karsten`	`kmap: Seriously, that's the easiest way I can think of.`
`18:39.03`	`h3sp4wn`	`zOrK: update /etc/locale.gen and run locale-gen`
`18:39.07`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: they use some kind of authentication like WPA2 or a www-login`
`18:39.08`	`karsten`	`kmap: erm: find /var/log -type f -mtime -1 -print0 \| xargs -0 grep -li ssh`
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`18:39.18`	`zOrK`	`let's see`
`18:39.24`	`myren`	`h3sp4wn: what rtorrent do you run?`
`18:39.28`	`karsten`	`kmap: ... might be better. Particularly the "xargs -0" part (zero, not letter oh).`
`18:39.31`	`JordiGH`	`I wonder if IEEE membership is worthwhile. Most importantly, if it's GPL-compatible. ;-)`
`18:39.34`	`HyperDevil`	`hi :) i am buying a USB harddisk for backup, does debian "sarge"support usb harddisks?`
`18:39.39`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: i'm thinking of large institutions like a university that do public/open access opints`
`18:39.41`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Maybe, and no.`
`18:39.45`	`Bushmills`	`HyperDevil: yes`
`18:39.49`	`h3sp4wn`	`myren: Whatever the one in etch is`
`18:39.50`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: ... WRT their publications, at any rate.`
`18:40.05`	`CoNdA`	`hmm.. maybe I should provide some more information. Well, dc++ says it fails to open TCP port because some other program is already using it. nmap says it is not in use.`
`18:40.07`	`HyperDevil`	`Bushmills: How do i mount my usb harddisk what is required?`
`18:40.10`	`kmap`	`karsten: Only auth.log seems to be the file`
`18:40.10`	`zOrK`	`h3sp4wn there is no file called /etc/locale.gen`
`18:40.12`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: Maybe I should invest in a FSF membership instead. :P`
`18:40.18`	`Bushmills`	`HyperDevil: load module usb-storage`
`18:40.21`	`zOrK`	`what's the name of local-gen's package?`
`18:40.22`	`zOrK`	`maybe I dont have it`
`18:40.24`	`Bushmills`	`or usbstorage, i'm not sure`
`18:40.30`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: they don't control abuse at all.`
`18:40.32`	`h3sp4wn`	`zOrK: which locale-gen`
`18:40.34`	`HyperDevil`	`Bushmills: how do i do that?`
`18:40.37`	`karsten`	`kmap: /etc/syslog.conf is what actually determines logfiles.`
`18:40.50`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: all the unis I know require authentication`
`18:40.51`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: The answer then becomes, "maybe" and "yes" ;-)`
`18:40.52`	`Bushmills`	`HyperDevil: loading a module??`
`18:41.02`	`HyperDevil`	`Bushmills: yes...`
`18:41.03`	`h3sp4wn`	`zOrK: en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 (that is what I have in mine change to suit)`
`18:41.03`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: interesting`
`18:41.06`	`Bushmills`	`hmm ..`
`18:41.13`	`Bushmills`	`HyperDevil: man modprobe`
`18:41.25`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: how would they know who uses MAC address x, anyway`
`18:41.31`	`kmap`	`karsten: Thanks, I'll check it up!`
`18:41.45`	`kmap`	`karsten, in any case, I guess auth.log is the file I need`
`18:41.46`	`d0uglas`	`mac address x?`
`18:41.47`	`karsten`	`kmap: Might just want to wait to see what gets captured. You know someone's port-forwarding?`
`18:41.53`	`d0uglas`	`oh, x as in algebra x?`
`18:41.55`	`Bushmills`	`HyperDevil: chances are, depending on your installed packages, that it will be loaded auomatically for you`
`18:41.58`	`karsten`	`pelzi_: kismet, say, for wireless.`
`18:41.59`	`d0uglas`	`... kismet seems to figure that out`
`18:42.06`	`HyperDevil`	`bushmills: ok that program can add things, where do i get the module?`
`18:42.08`	`d0uglas`	`airodump too`
`18:42.31`	`kmap`	`karsten: I am!`
`18:42.36`	`kombi`	`oh my good.. I am a dick..`
`18:42.37`	`Bushmills`	`HyperDevil: comes with stock kernel.`
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`18:42.46`	`karsten`	`kombi: You're expecting an argument?`
`18:42.48`	`myren`	`JordiGH: whats the $$$ for IEEE membership?`
`18:42.55`	`JordiGH`	`kombi: You mean, a private investigator?`
`18:42.56`	`HyperDevil`	`bushmills: so i just connect my usb disk and it should work?`
`18:42.57`	`karsten`	`kmap: Might also log in, port forward, and see what happens.`
`18:42.57`	`myren`	`i need to enroll`
`18:43.00`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: yes`
`18:43.02`	`d0uglas`	`kombi: a big one?`
`18:43.08`	`Bushmills`	`HyperDevil: ideally, yes.`
`18:43.08`	`kombi`	`now you're listening..;)`
`18:43.14`	`Bushmills`	`HyperDevil: otherwise, two command`
`18:43.16`	`Bushmills`	`commands`
`18:43.19`	`zOrK`	`h3sp4wn http://pastebin.ca/210406`
`18:43.23`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: No, a cop.`
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`18:43.24`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: but you need to know which physical person for abuse control`
`18:43.24`	`HyperDevil`	`Bushmills: if not, what then?`
`18:43.32`	`JordiGH`	`myren: About 25 USD for an annual IEEE student membership, about 160 USD for a full membership, for which I'm not yet elligible.`
`18:43.34`	`roxy_`	`I am using debian testing on amd64. I can see kanji in FF but not in Konqueror and can't print them . What can I do ?`
`18:43.48`	`kombi`	`..big one indeed..`
`18:43.51`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Doesn't IEEE require an engineering degree?`
`18:43.54`	`Bushmills`	`HyperDevil: 1. load the module 2. mount the drive`
`18:43.55`	`pelzi_`	`roxy_: use non-broken programs`
`18:44.03`	`JordiGH`	`myren: Depends on your geographical region, though. For us poor, developing nationalists, here in .mx, we get lower fees. :-)`
`18:44.19`	`HyperDevil`	`bushmills: do you know the commando to load one.... modprobe..? mount??`
`18:44.23`	`pelzi_`	`kanji works for me.`
`18:44.25`	`h3sp4wn`	`zOrK: dont do that just put what locale you want into /etc/locale.gen and run locale-gen`
`18:44.26`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: Nope. You just gotta like computers nowadays, methinks. I didn't see anything about specifically having to be an engineer.`
`18:44.29`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Payable in agricultural commodities?`
`18:44.39`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Feh. Standards these days...`
`18:44.42`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: is it illegal in the US to punt someone off their wireless router in order to have them reconnect to another?`
`18:44.54`	`Bracki`	`ah, i found a way to repair my broken /etc`
`18:44.57`	`karsten`	`d0uglas: Um. No.`
`18:45.05`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: US law is a mess, I don't know nor want to know ;)`
`18:45.24`	`kombi`	`actually, this installer drives me up the wall. Goes smoothly up until partitioning and assembling md, after the first one stuff gets so slow it is hard to bear..`
`18:45.24`	`karsten`	`d0uglas: _Their_ own router, or one you're providing?`
`18:45.28`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: Payable in illegally-copied software, perhaps.`
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`18:45.34`	`h3sp4wn`	`zOrK: /usr/share/i18n/locales (look in there)`
`18:45.34`	`d0uglas`	`karsten: so "evil twinning" in itself is legal?`
`18:45.37`	`Bracki`	`i did a dpkg --contents on *.deb in /var/cache/apt grepped for /etc and then grepped for all lines not matching root.`
`18:45.38`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: I'll have to look for some.`
`18:45.42`	`zOrK`	`ok`
`18:45.43`	`zOrK`	`thanks`
`18:45.46`	`karsten`	`d0uglas: ??`
`18:45.51`	`d0uglas`	`karsten: one you're providing`
`18:45.51`	`pelzi_`	`kombi: building a raid is slow`
`18:45.58`	`d0uglas`	`karsten: surreptitiously`
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`18:46.02`	`pickcoder`	`bbl`
`18:46.05`	`d0uglas`	`with airopump or whatever`
`18:46.16`	`kombi`	`pelzi_: true, but usually not that bad..`
`18:46.16`	`h3sp4wn`	`zOrK: en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 (that is what I have in mine change to suit) - just change the en_GB to whatever countrycode you need`
`18:46.28`	`karsten`	`d0uglas: Um. I'm not following.`
`18:46.30`	`pelzi_`	`kombi: go to another VT and cat /proc/mdstat`
`18:47.10`	`karsten`	`d0uglas: I think there are some general provisions against knowingly generating RF interference, and of accessing secured networks without permission. Then again, IANAL, TINLA, YADA.`
`18:47.13`	`kombi`	`resync 3.5%, that might explain it..`
`18:47.30`	`d0uglas`	`karsten: as i understand it, it is possible to send a packet that causes some machines to drop their connection to an AP and reconnect, usually in order to sniff out the handshaking packets`
`18:47.42`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: yes`
`18:47.44`	`d0uglas`	`i'm not talking about using their network`
`18:47.50`	`JordiGH`	`I do hope that the IEEE doesn't distribute anything in .doc format. I've had something like that happening with one of the engineering journals, which almost made me cry.`
`18:47.57`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: and depending on what you are trying to do, it might be illegal or not`
`18:48.16`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: if you are getting them off your own AP, then it's probably ok`
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`18:48.22`	`karsten`	`d0uglas: Well, that first step might not be illegal (and could well be hard to prove), but making use of the information gained could put you in trouble.`
`18:48.26`	`kombi`	`pelzi_: btw, can you add more md partitions later?`
`18:48.29`	`pelzi_`	`yes.`
`18:48.33`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: so if you're just doing it for sport but you're not collecting their data to steal their identity it's ok?`
`18:48.37`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: Mathematics is a designated field of interest for the IEEE, so I guess that with my maths degree, I qualify. :-)`
`18:48.40`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Largely seems to be PDF AFAICT.`
`18:48.44`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: I wouldn't wanna try`
`18:48.51`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: but very hard to prove anything anyway`
`18:48.55`	`kombi`	`actually went with one for the time being`
`18:49.14`	`d0uglas`	`well i'm just curious academically in this case, not much need to actually do it`
`18:49.15`	`pelzi_`	`d0uglas: but if you wanted to do something illegal, then sending those packets would also be illegal`
`18:49.23`	`d0uglas`	`ahh interesting`
`18:49.33`	`pelzi_`	`hell, I'm not a lawyer`
`18:49.37`	`pelzi_`	`don't ask me`
`18:49.40`	`d0uglas`	`you're holding you're own`
`18:49.46`	`d0uglas`	`your`
`18:50.00`	`pelzi_`	`but many otherwise-legal things become illegal if their purpose is to accomplish something illegal`
`18:50.01`	`d0uglas`	`how did i just screw that up`
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`18:50.30`	`d0uglas`	`well i suppose that is a good way for legislators to keep up with technology`
`18:50.31`	`kombi`	`read only file system it says in console 3???`
`18:50.40`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Program areas (degree) ar: Engineering, Computer Sciences and Information Technologies, Physical Sciences, Biological and Medical Sciences, Mathematics, Technical Communications, Education, Management, Law and Policy, Other`
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`18:52.31`	`d0uglas`	`pelzi_: fyi homsensual appears only 55 times on google`
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`18:52.44`	`d0uglas`	`someone should write a wiki article`
`18:53.17`	`pelzi_`	`lol`
`18:53.43`	`JordiGH`	`And then get that article with the "I'm feeling lucky" button.`
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`18:54.24`	`kombi`	`md is syncing with 1324K/sec, that can't be right..`
`18:55.28`	`Caelum`	`how do I get terminfo sources? there's no untic command in Debian anywhere`
`18:55.59`	`karsten`	`Caelum: untic?`
`18:56.13`	`karsten`	`Caelum: And by sources, the raw terminfo database file?`
`18:56.20`	`Caelum`	`karsten: yup`
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`18:56.46`	`karsten`	`Caelum: Ah... untic. Right, isn't that a BSD thing?`
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`18:57.14`	`Caelum`	`no clue`
`18:57.20`	`karsten`	`Caelum: bbiam`
`18:57.51`	`stew`	`< d0uglas> pelzi_: is it illegal in the US to punt someone off their wireless router \| yes. it is alwyas illegal to interfere with licensed radio transmission in the US.`
`18:58.38`	`stew`	`s/licensed//`
`18:58.48`	`Caelum`	`no, what you do if someone's using your router is add a firewall rule to redirect all http requests to a mirror of goatse.cx or tubgirl`
`18:59.46`	`abrotman`	`stew: someone in florida was arrested/charged IIRC`
`19:00.11`	`abrotman`	`http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/07/florida_man_arrested.html`
`19:00.12`	`stew`	`i'm sure people in florida are arrested everyday`
`19:00.15`	`wols`	`stew: is it really licensed? I thought 2.4GHz is the unlicesed band`
`19:00.16`	`stew`	`:P`
`19:00.25`	`pelzi_`	`stew: wlan is not a licensed channel`
`19:01.05`	`stew`	`bah, i'll look up the ammended telco act...`
`19:01.35`	`h3sp4wn`	`However interferring with the wifi signal requires using an amplifier which is illegal (otherwise it won't work well)`
`19:01.59`	`pelzi_`	`nope`
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`19:02.15`	`pelzi_`	`if you are in range, you can make wifi transmission impossible`
`19:02.23`	`pelzi_`	`it was never designed to resist that`
`19:02.28`	`Rydekull`	`!e1000`
`19:02.29`	`dpkg`	`from memory, e1000 is the Intel PRO/1000 driver, found at http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/download.asp?url=/2897/eng/e1000-5.2.22.tar.gz, or in later 2.4 kernels and 2.6 kernels`
`19:02.42`	`pelzi_`	`just repeatedly trying to associate will slow things down`
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`19:03.01`	`Rydekull`	`does the debian installers support the e1000 nic?`
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`19:03.20`	`poopybutt`	`has anybody tried out flash 9 yet?`
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`19:03.47`	`stew`	`wols: pelzi_: that's why i said s/licensed//`
`19:03.52`	`stew`	`wols: pelzi_: "The Act prohibits any person from willfully or maliciously interfering with the radio communications of any station licensed or authorized under the Act"`
`19:03.54`	`Caelum`	`karsten: I found it, it's called infocmp`
`19:03.56`	`JordiGH`	`Speaking of flash 9, how is gnash coming along?`
`19:03.58`	`amphi`	`Rydekull: yes, IIRC`
`19:04.20`	`pelzi_`	`stew: and that authorizes wlan?`
`19:04.23`	`h3sp4wn`	`pelzi_: I think it is improbably without extra kit (if its set up reasonably well)`
`19:04.24`	`stew`	`whereby "the act" refes to the telecommunications act of 1934, which is the act which authorizes sci-band`
`19:04.27`	`stew`	`pelzi_: yes`
`19:04.33`	`Rydekull`	`amphi: my friend seem to be telling me otherwise, is there any HLC anywhere that I can check on?`
`19:04.48`	`pelzi_`	`hmm, well, it has the term "willfully", so, yes.`
`19:04.54`	`abrotman`	`stew: and those devices are licensed by the FCC`
`19:05.08`	`pelzi_`	`with a neighbor's open wlan you can claim it was an accident...`
`19:05.14`	`amphi`	`Rydekull: HLC? I did a srage netinstall using the e1000 in this laptop`
`19:05.27`	`pelzi_`	`HCL`
`19:05.33`	`pelzi_`	`hardware compatibility list`
`19:05.37`	`abrotman`	`pelzi_: then you would immediately disconnect once you notice ..`
`19:05.45`	`karsten`	`Caelum: OK.`
`19:05.48`	`pelzi_`	`abrotman: with windows it just associates`
`19:05.49`	`k31th`	`yo, how do i enable sendmail to use .forward files ?`
`19:05.59`	`pelzi_`	`abrotman: you can claim you thought you were using your own net`
`19:06.03`	`Rydekull`	`pelzi_: heh, meant that`
`19:06.07`	`Rydekull`	`amphi: listen to pelzi_ :P`
`19:06.10`	`abrotman`	`pelzi_: sure .. for some amount of time ..`
`19:06.18`	`Rydekull`	`!HLC`
`19:06.22`	`Rydekull`	`argh`
`19:06.24`	`Rydekull`	`!HCL`
`19:06.25`	`abrotman`	`the hcl is gone`
`19:06.25`	`dpkg`	`hcl is, like, at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/`
`19:06.26`	`abrotman`	`!hcl`
`19:06.26`	`dpkg`	`well, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/`
`19:06.30`	`pelzi_`	`abrotman: they can't prove otherwise`
`19:06.45`	`abrotman`	`pelzi_: they can if you buy a wifi laptop and don't buy your own router :)`
`19:06.54`	`pelzi_`	`yep`
`19:07.04`	`stew`	`pelzi_: he was asking if he could legally and knowingly knock someone off their network [in order to facilitate wiretapping]. and the answer to that question is no you cannot legally do that`
`19:07.04`	`abrotman`	`or if you've told your neighbor to stop .. and they persist`
`19:07.14`	`pelzi_`	`stew: yep`
`19:07.24`	`amphi`	`Rydekull: shrug net install with Intel Corporation 82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Mobile) (rev 03) worked for me`
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`19:07.57`	`Rydekull`	`amphi: ok ok`
`19:08.02`	`pelzi_`	`well, american law is horrible.`
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`19:08.20`	`ee99ee`	`how do I reboot into single user mode?`
`19:08.31`	`pelzi_`	`a rewrite would not hurt`
`19:08.32`	`amphi`	`Rydekull: it's a common and well supported card, it would be strange IMHO if the debian installer couldn't use it`
`19:08.42`	`Rydekull`	`I thought so too`
`19:08.52`	`Rydekull`	`then I saw this`
`19:08.52`	`Rydekull`	`http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/03/msg00908.html`
`19:08.53`	`Rydekull`	`:D`
`19:08.53`	`amphi`	`ee99ee: telinit 1 if you don't actually need to reboot`
`19:08.53`	`stew`	`ee99ee: 'telinit 1', or reboot and choose "recovery mode" from the grub menu`
`19:08.57`	`Rydekull`	`And began to wonder`
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`19:09.13`	`Roey`	`hi`
`19:09.24`	`ee99ee`	`thanks`
`19:09.32`	`Roey`	`I try to lvextend an lvm volume and I get an error, but I can't figure it out.`
`19:09.38`	`Roey`	`sudo lvextend -L1G /dev/mapper/main-home`
`19:09.38`	`Roey`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:09.45`	`streuner`	`!single user mode`
`19:09.46`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, single user mode is telinit 1, or or add '1' to the lilo boot prompt 'LILO: linux 1' enter.`
`19:09.56`	`Roey`	`streuner: what of it`
`19:10.04`	`amphi`	`Rydekull: I was talking about sarge`
`19:10.10`	`Roey`	`hey amphi`
`19:10.21`	`amphi`	`g'day Roey`
`19:10.45`	`streuner`	`dpkg, no single user mode is <reply> single user mode is telinit 1, or add '1' to the lilo boot prompt 'LILO: linux 1' enter.`
`19:10.46`	`dpkg`	`okay, streuner`
`19:11.30`	`Rydekull`	`amphi: yes`
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`19:12.57`	`kombi`	`damned, this can't be right, syncing the md runs at 1MB/s.. what is wrong?`
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`19:13.49`	`streuner`	`dpkg, single user mode is also or reboot and choose "recovery mode" from the grub menu`
`19:13.50`	`dpkg`	`okay, streuner`
`19:14.51`	`Bracki`	`kombi: you probably need to tune your hds with hdparm`
`19:15.08`	`kombi`	`Bracki: whats hdparm?`
`19:15.29`	`JordiGH`	`:-(`
`19:15.36`	`streuner`	`!tell kombi about hdparm`
`19:15.37`	`ee99ee`	`kombi: a utility for setting various settings on hard drive interfaces`
`19:15.52`	`JordiGH`	`Translation of why Marillat is a Cretin with Google translation tools leaves much to be desired.`
`19:16.05`	`JordiGH`	`In reference to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-italian/2003/03/msg00042.html`
`19:16.25`	`kombi`	`thingies are all new though..`
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`19:16.51`	`JordiGH`	`I think it's about not addressing bug reports and being hung by the balls.`
`19:16.54`	`amphi`	`'con gravi bug', heh`
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`19:17.03`	`kombi`	`something wrong ide / module wise maybe?`
`19:17.07`	`jelly`	`!vmware`
`19:17.07`	`dpkg`	`somebody said vmware was Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support.`
`19:17.16`	`jelly`	`d'oh`
`19:17.27`	`kombi`	`dpkg: you are so mean`
`19:17.27`	`dpkg`	`kombi: what are you talking about?`
`19:17.35`	`ee99ee`	`okay I can't figure out why my system continues to boot witha read-only root file system.... no errors are reported in fsck, and I don't see any reason why it's doing it from dmesg`
`19:17.40`	`kombi`	`never mind dpkg.. lol`
`19:17.42`	`ee99ee`	`looking in /etc/fstab, it's not set to mount read-only`
`19:17.50`	`ee99ee`	`how can I remount it read-write?`
`19:18.01`	`ee99ee`	`and find out why it's mounting read only`
`19:18.08`	`jelly`	`kombi: dpkg is a bot...`
`19:18.09`	`JordiGH`	`mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1 /`
`19:18.19`	`kombi`	`jelly: i know..`
`19:18.24`	`ee99ee`	`JordiGH: thanks, lemme try that`
`19:18.24`	`jelly`	`kombi: I see. ;-)`
`19:18.28`	`JordiGH`	`assuming /dev/hda1 is your Debian partition...`
`19:18.31`	`ee99ee`	`y`
`19:18.32`	`ee99ee`	`*yea`
`19:18.45`	`zinx`	`ee9ee: it's supposed to beet read-only`
`19:18.49`	`jelly`	`ee99ee: hey, are you female? ;-)`
`19:18.50`	`zinx`	`erh, boot`
`19:19.09`	`zinx`	`ee99ee: the init scripts are supposed to remount it read-write after it's checked`
`19:19.27`	`JordiGH`	`jelly: Huh? What does female have to do with anything?`
`19:19.54`	`jelly`	`JordiGH: I was just wondering about that particular shade of pink. (#ee99ee)`
`19:19.55`	`kombi`	`will it make sense to give md 400 minutes to sync or should one stop and look for the cause of its slowness, me wonders`
`19:19.58`	`zinx`	`and 'recovery mode' never does that, probably`
`19:20.00`	`amphi`	`jelly: and why would you believe the answer?;)`
`19:20.09`	`JordiGH`	`Oh.`
`19:20.10`	`ee99ee`	`zinx: well I know that, but it's not checking it at boot... and running fsck shows no errors`
`19:20.22`	`ee99ee`	`jelly: haha no, ee99ee is not a reference to #ee99ee`
`19:20.24`	`jelly`	`amphi: I don't really care!`
`19:20.26`	`zinx`	`ee99ee: how are you booting?`
`19:20.32`	`JordiGH`	`!nickometer ee99ee`
`19:20.33`	`dpkg`	`'ee99ee' is 19.000% lame, jordigh`
`19:20.40`	`ee99ee`	`hahaha 19% lame`
`19:20.42`	`JordiGH`	`Still doing good.`
`19:20.48`	`amphi`	`ee99ee: not bad ;)`
`19:20.51`	`JordiGH`	`!nickometer JordiGH`
`19:20.53`	`dpkg`	`'JordiGH' is 8.000% lame, jordigh`
`19:20.54`	`kombi`	`dpgk is getting meaner by the minute..`
`19:21.01`	`kombi`	`kg even`
`19:21.04`	`ee99ee`	`!nickometer dpkg`
`19:21.06`	`dpkg`	`'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, ee99ee`
`19:21.11`	`ee99ee`	`lol`
`19:21.20`	`kombi`	`of course it is..`
`19:21.38`	`kombi`	`let's try mine..`
`19:21.45`	`kombi`	`!nickometer kombi`
`19:21.47`	`dpkg`	`'kombi' is 0.000% lame, kombi`
`19:21.55`	`kombi`	`ok, ok..`
`19:21.58`	`JordiGH`	`It gets lamer the more mixed case and numbers you use.`
`19:22.20`	`JordiGH`	`!nickometer #xt@n2ioN`
`19:22.26`	`kombi`	`should be good`
`19:22.32`	`JordiGH`	`!nickometer 3xt@n2ioN`
`19:22.33`	`jelly`	`Where's that OxFF0 guy when you need him...`
`19:22.34`	`dpkg`	`'3xt@n2ioN' is 35.000% lame, jordigh`
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`19:22.53`	`JordiGH`	`Crap. It looks like my root password isn't lame enough. ;-)`
`19:22.55`	`kombi`	`took him some time to iterate`
`19:23.09`	`kombi`	`thanks for the info...;)`
`19:23.12`	`JordiGH`	`;-)`
`19:23.45`	`kombi`	`god, I hate waiting in front of machines..`
`19:23.58`	`beardy`	`kombi: Go behind them then.`
`19:24.08`	`jelly`	`anyway, vmware gui doesn't want to load up after all the xorg /usr/X11R6 transition. Anyone running vmware-server on etch?`
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`19:24.29`	`Shadowcat`	`uhh XOrg is horribly broken most of the time`
`19:24.34`	`Shadowcat`	`blame gravity`
`19:24.58`	`kombi`	`beardy: just did, not much of an imrovement`
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`19:25.10`	`jelly`	`Shadowcat: Isn't overfiend the main X man any more?`
`19:25.31`	`Shadowcat`	`maybe`
`19:25.37`	`Shadowcat`	`but gravity is in here a lot`
`19:25.40`	`Shadowcat`	`so we blame him :P`
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`19:25.49`	`solemnwarning`	`How can I get H.264 video working in kaffeine?`
`19:25.54`	`jelly`	`Shadowcat: hehe, nice to know, thanks ;-)`
`19:25.58`	`Shadowcat`	`by getting the codec that decodes it`
`19:26.12`	`Turin`	`surprisingly`
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`19:28.05`	`wishkah`	`how can I get CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT to work (i.e. jump one word left/right) in aterm/xterm?`
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`19:29.16`	`jelly`	`wishkah: that's probably application specific`
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`19:29.30`	`JordiGH`	`Huh? xterm can do that? Doesn't it use Emacs-like keys like everyon else?`
`19:29.57`	`JordiGH`	`wishkah: I take it you don't like to use Meta-b and Meta-f...`
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`19:30.44`	`solemnwarning`	`Is there a package with the H.264 video codec for kaffeine?`
`19:30.46`	`wojci`	`Does anyone know how to make configure stop, if AC_PROG_CXX does not find a c++ compiler, but just sets g++ which is not installed?`
`19:30.56`	`solemnwarning`	`mplayer can play them fine, but kaffine isn't using the mplayer codec`
`19:31.33`	`amphi`	`wojci: #gnu perhaps`
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`19:31.53`	`wojci`	`amphi, That sounds a bit general. ;)`
`19:31.58`	`poopybutt`	`anybody have experience installing Matlab on their computer?`
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`19:32.22`	`amphi`	`wojci: worth a try, I have seen much autotools raving in there before`
`19:32.30`	`cydork`	`poopybutt, google knows :)`
`19:32.33`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: Hm. I do. But I don't want to help you with that. Use Octave instead.`
`19:33.14`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: And join the Octave mailing lists, if you need Matlab code ported to Octave.`
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`19:33.22`	`stew`	`wojci: can't you just: test -x $(which $CXX)`
`19:33.27`	`wishkah`	`it's strange, it worked on my little notebook out-of-the-box, but on my otherone it doesn't work (ctrl+left/right) (both debian)`
`19:33.36`	`poopybutt`	`JordiGH: i dont have a choice, i have to use it for work`
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`19:33.59`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: That breaks my heart. I take it you're having a hard time setting up the license manager. :-(`
`19:34.24`	`poopybutt`	`JordiGH: not even that. i have the discs. i cant figure out how to get them to run`
`19:34.35`	`wojci`	`stew, Probably.`
`19:34.46`	`poopybutt`	`there is supposed to be an autorun prompt, its not coming up`
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`19:35.10`	`JordiGH`	`autorun? In Debian?`
`19:35.33`	`poopybutt`	`JordiGH: i have no idea`
`19:35.43`	`poopybutt`	`i have the discs that were given to me from work`
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`19:35.52`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: Uh, did you get the Linux version of Matlab? You can't install the Windows version in Debian, y'know.`
`19:36.03`	`JordiGH`	`Matlab is a Windows app that happens to be available for GNU/Linux. :-/`
`19:36.09`	`wojci`	`"<ams> You know it by reading the manual for autoconf."`
`19:36.16`	`wojci`	`Hahah .. what a fucking moron.`
`19:36.22`	`MoonGlade`	`Does anyone here use 'iptstate' and know why no results are shown when I run it?`
`19:36.37`	`poopybutt`	`on the install instructions it says how to do a unix/linux install`
`19:36.44`	`poopybutt`	`but it just says follow the prompts`
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`19:37.11`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: Yes, but do you have the GNU/Linux version of Matlab or not? I do believe you have to buy it separately.`
`19:37.29`	`JordiGH`	`poopbutt: If there is a .exe anywhere in your Matlab CD, then you have the wrong version. :-/`
`19:37.32`	`Charminthemoose`	`are there any fps games in the repositories?`
`19:37.41`	`JordiGH`	`!info prboom`
`19:37.49`	`keith80403`	`Running Sarge, having problems configuring Xfree86 - getting "Fatal server error no screens found" - How can I verify the config? Can't find the line in XFree86.log.0 that states the amount of video memory found on the ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP card.`
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`19:37.50`	`dpkg`	`prboom: (clone of the legendary first person shooter Doom), section games, is optional. Version: 2:2.4.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 411 kB, Installed size: 889 kB`
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`19:38.28`	`JordiGH`	`Charminthemoose: Also, you could try Cube and Sauberwhateverthingy, its sequel. They're not exactly free, but they're fun nonetheless, and run fine on this Debian box I'm on right now.`
`19:38.36`	`griefbot`	`I'm getting "mmap ran out of room" errors when I do anything with apt. What in the world can I do to fix this?`
`19:39.09`	`cahoot`	`griefbot: try /msg dpkg mmap`
`19:39.23`	`zinx`	`Charminthemoose: tremulous`
`19:39.32`	`zinx`	`Charminthemoose: nexuiz`
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`19:39.58`	`Charminthemoose`	`anyothers?`
`19:40.10`	`zinx`	`Charminthemoose: yes, but i'm not going to find them for you :x`
`19:40.31`	`JordiGH`	`Charminthemoose: I believe the Quake 2 engine is already GPLed. Maybe Quake 3 engine too. Look around for something like that.`
`19:40.48`	`zinx`	`yes, q3 engine is GPL'd`
`19:40.59`	`zinx`	`tremulous is based on it afaik`
`19:41.04`	`poopybutt`	`JordiGH: so octave can do most things matlab can?`
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`19:41.24`	`Charminthemoose`	`:)`
`19:41.25`	`Charminthemoose`	`thanks guys`
`19:41.35`	`poopybutt`	`and i can use the some of the same custom code i have written in matlab?`
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`19:42.25`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: That's a complex question. Octave suffers more severely from unvectorised code, since it doesn't have JIT. Matlab had this problem once too. Its set of functions is smaller, but people in the Sourceforge are slowly chipping away at it. Switching to Octave does take some work, and your Matlab code might require tweaking or complete rewrites.`
`19:42.46`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: Also, there's nothing like Simulink in Octave.`
`19:42.51`	`griefbot`	`cahoot, that fixed it, thanks`
`19:43.20`	`poopybutt`	`JordiGH: thanks for the info. yeah octave doesnt suit my needs. i use it for financial modeling`
`19:43.23`	`cahoot`	`griefbot: np`
`19:44.16`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: However, look at this thread: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.octave.general/12139/focus=12139`
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`19:44.44`	`poopybutt`	`JordiGH: but ill give it a look just cause im curious anyways. what file do i need to install octave from apt-get in deb-sid. there were a bunch that came up in the cache search`
`19:44.50`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: Also, you could consider using Scilab. I think it's also in Debian.`
`19:45.25`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: If you specifically need Simulink, then I really don't know what to say. I've never used it myself, and I'm very comfortable with Octave now.`
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`19:45.50`	`JordiGH`	`!info scilab`
`19:45.52`	`dpkg`	`scilab: (Matrix-based scientific software package (a la Matlab and Xmath)), section non-free/math, is optional. Version: 4.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 4103 kB, Installed size: 48228 kB`
`19:46.02`	`JordiGH`	`Oh, it's non-free.`
`19:46.06`	`JordiGH`	`:-/`
`19:46.11`	`JordiGH`	`I guess that's why I don't use it.`
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`19:47.09`	`poopybutt`	`JordiGH: well which package do i need for octave. i want to just take a look for fun anyways`
`19:47.40`	`JordiGH`	`<rant>It's absolutely fucking ridiculous that the Mathworks can create a product for scientific and academic work and make it proprietary. Damn the Mathworks. Damn them all to hell. </rant>`
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`19:47.55`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: aptitude install octave and octave2.9 should get you all you need.`
`19:48.28`	`poopybutt`	`JordiGH: cool thanks. whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude?`
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`19:48.54`	`JordiGH`	`<rant>It's even more annoying that a company can turn proprietary code into "industry standard" and teach it to kids in schools like it was taught to me.</rant>`
`19:49.05`	`JordiGH`	`!aptitude`
`19:49.06`	`dpkg`	`methinks aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009`
`19:49.07`	`jelly`	`JordiGH: what would change if it was opensource and priced the same?`
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`19:49.12`	`ryanium`	`so`
`19:49.16`	`Dantix`	`hi all, are there a way to compress the data sent to a remote lpd printer....?`
`19:49.18`	`ryanium`	`lets make a youtube and make 1.65 billion`
`19:49.22`	`ryanium`	`anyone up for it?`
`19:49.30`	`JordiGH`	`jelly: Yes. So long as I can share it. Actually, much of Matlab's source is already visible.`
`19:49.30`	`sudo`	`Is tehre any way to double check if etch is finding a dual core CPU? There are 2 entries in /proc/cpuinfo`
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`19:50.21`	`JordiGH`	`jelly: Octave has a lot of enhancements in its syntax over the stupid Fortran-like syntax Matlab uses.`
`19:50.27`	`Guerin`	`sudo: it's an x86 cpu. It's working, isn't it?`
`19:50.32`	`poopybutt`	`i agree with JordiGH , matlab has forced itself to be the industry standard.`
`19:50.45`	`Whoa_Baby`	`im creating a bash loop, and for giggles im trying to echo "moo" and append it with an additional "o" everytime it runs, but i cant seem to figure it out... any ideas? :)`
`19:50.55`	`jelly`	`JordiGH: yeah, but Matlab has _somewhat_ larger library.`
`19:51.18`	`Guerin`	`Whoa_Baby: #bash`
`19:51.38`	`Whoa_Baby`	`Guerin: ty`
`19:51.38`	`JordiGH`	`And Flexlm. A program whose sole purpose of existence is to prevent you from using other software. Pure Evil (tm).`
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`19:52.04`	`MoonGlade`	`Does anyone here use 'iptstate' and know why no results are shown when I ran?`
`19:52.13`	`pelzi_`	`foo=moo; while true; do echo foo; foo=${foo}o; done`
`19:52.16`	`JordiGH`	`jelly: Yes. And octave-forge is chipping away at that larger library. We need more people releasing their code for Octave-forge instead of having them think that releasing it for Matlab is a good idea.`
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`19:52.39`	`pelzi_`	`fix the bug and use it.`
`19:52.44`	`wojci`	`Flexlm is also one of my favorites. I prevents me from using a certain compiler trough terminal services on win32.`
`19:52.49`	`jelly`	`JordiGH: Not that I care any more, I never used either in real life. ;-)`
`19:53.02`	`wojci`	`It even.`
`19:53.26`	`poopybutt`	`jelly: good thing, it will ruin your life`
`19:53.40`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: By the way, in reference to your question about aptitude, it's just that I was lazy and didn't want to tell you to get the octave-forge packages too, and since they're recommended and aptitude by default handles recommendations as dependencies, well, then you would get octave-forge too.`
`19:53.40`	`jelly`	`cough cracks and keygens cough`
`19:54.06`	`poopybutt`	`JordiGH: thanks again`
`19:54.10`	`wojci`	`jelly, I rather keep my work. :P`
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`19:56.29`	`niles`	`only the root user can see everything under netstat. how can i allow a typical user to see this stuff too but not have root privlagaes for everything else?`
`19:56.32`	`jelly`	`wojci: I've been in a situation when I used a keygen when local distributor failed to provide us _paid for_ licenses for some backup software. I think we even told them. ;-)`
`19:57.18`	`poopybutt`	`JordiGH: man, he really hates matlab. i didnt think there were people who thought so strongly about it`
`19:58.12`	`jelly`	`wojci: oh well, if you use it for work ask for more licenses, what can I say.`
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`19:59.08`	`smacnay__`	`is there a man page on how to alter dbus?`
`19:59.21`	`psychonate`	`Is there any easy way to convert an Open Document Text file (.odt) to a PDF?`
`19:59.27`	`jelly`	`niles: hmm, configure sudo to let this one use only run netstat as root?`
`19:59.34`	`jelly`	`user*`
`19:59.46`	`wols`	`psychonate: just print it. OO can create PDFs`
`20:00.01`	`wojci`	`jelly, I do not think that adding more licenses will solve this. flex* refuses to work when it discovers that the application its protecting is being run from terminal services.`
`20:00.09`	`poopybutt`	`does ktorrent work as well for speed as some of the more popular torrent programs?`
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`20:00.30`	`psychonate`	`wols, I'm trying to "Save As" and I see no PDF.`
`20:00.31`	`abrotman`	`speed kills .. jeez`
`20:00.37`	`jelly`	`wojci: hm, sounds like a bug to me`
`20:00.47`	`asg`	`abrotman: no, the impact kills`
`20:01.08`	`jelly`	`wojci: what about vnc? :-)`
`20:01.14`	`cahoot`	`psychonate: export as ..?`
`20:01.15`	`Pavel_K`	`psychonate ..> just use print`
`20:01.33`	`wojci`	`jelly, Vnc makes my head hurt.. the flickering. :/`
`20:01.44`	`psychonate`	`er, the both of you are confusing me`
`20:01.50`	`jelly`	`wojci: or, if you're using xp or 2003 as host, attaching to console?`
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`20:02.06`	`psychonate`	`Pavel_K, what do you mean just print? I need a PDF file`
`20:02.14`	`wojci`	`jelly, "Attaching to console"?`
`20:02.23`	`abrotman`	`asg: there'd be no impact if you weren't speeding!`
`20:02.36`	`asg`	`abrotman: well, a smaller one perhaps`
`20:02.50`	`Pavel_K`	`psychonate ..> print to pdf file`
`20:02.52`	`wols`	`psychonate: pdf files are normally created by printing. PDF is normally implemented as a printer driver`
`20:02.53`	`jelly`	`wojci: I don't know if that would work for XP, but you can do it when connecting to 2003. rdesktop -0 option`
`20:02.54`	`abrotman`	`does inching forward count as speed ?`
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`20:03.24`	`psychonate`	`wols, cahoot, Pavel_K, alright, nvm. I must be blind, but I see it now anyway: "Export as PDF"`
`20:03.27`	`psychonate`	`ty for the trouble`
`20:03.29`	`wojci`	`jelly, Ah. I can try that sometime.`
`20:03.39`	`jelly`	`wojci: this connects to the "console" login, if anyone was logged in at the phys. console it takes over that session.`
`20:05.49`	`MickMcMack`	`Hi, I'm having a little trouble installing the nVidia drivers: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/07Azcj96.html Any suggestions?`
`20:05.55`	`jelly`	`wojci: if you use the windows client, see Start -> Run -> mstsc.exe /? for command line options.`
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`20:07.58`	`jelly`	`How can if find if there's a libhal.so.0 in a previous version of a(ny) package?`
`20:08.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 732] by debhelper`
`20:09.32`	`k31th`	`if im going to rsync a whole box what are some dirs i should exclude`
`20:09.33`	`k31th`	`tmp`
`20:09.38`	`k31th`	`proc ?`
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`20:12.24`	`pelzi_`	`/var/cache, /var/tmp`
`20:12.34`	`abrotman`	`/var/run/ ?`
`20:12.42`	`pelzi_`	`yep`
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`20:13.04`	`pelzi_`	`maybe /dev`
`20:13.21`	`pelzi_`	`you might want to keep it too`
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`20:15.54`	`Guerin`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`20:18.05`	`poopybutt`	`how do you find out what java version you have?`
`20:18.11`	`pelzi_`	`java -version`
`20:18.12`	`MickMcMack`	`java -version`
`20:18.15`	`MickMcMack`	`DAmnit.`
`20:18.16`	`MickMcMack`	`:(`
`20:18.23`	`poopybutt`	`ahh that makes sense`
`20:18.34`	`cjuner`	`poopybutt, update-alternatives --list java might help you, too.`
`20:18.48`	`pelzi_`	`and clean yourself, please`
`20:18.51`	`pelzi_`	`I dislike poop`
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`20:19.06`	`poopybutt`	`nah, its cool. its just the way i like it`
`20:19.10`	`pelzi_`	`ok`
`20:19.11`	`poopybutt`	`impacted ad encrusted`
`20:19.14`	`pelzi_`	`pick your poison`
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`20:21.04`	`dutche-`	`does anybody have put Xgl+Compiz to work in Etch?? I'm needing a tutorial...cuz the 3 tutorial I've followed, it doesn't work`
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`20:21.40`	`Guerin`	`dutche-: is it actually in etch yet?`
`20:21.43`	`cahoot`	`Guerin: probably the next thing after youtube`
`20:21.49`	`pelzi_`	`:D`
`20:22.05`	`pelzi_`	`smells can be artificially simulated with inkjet-like systems`
`20:22.16`	`Guerin`	`cahoot: heh. I can see the kernel modules now.`
`20:22.29`	`pelzi_`	`libstink-poop :P`
`20:22.31`	`Guerin`	`sml-smellotron-9000`
`20:22.40`	`pelzi_`	`with thousands of samples...`
`20:23.05`	`streuner`	`TCP-smell?`
`20:23.21`	`cahoot`	`the ultimate cooks manual`
`20:23.29`	`Guerin`	OMG, cn ne1` hlp me lol i insalled teh smellotron bt its not wrkng, help U FUX)RZ!!!!
`20:23.44`	`Lamperi`	`Aika alussa`
`20:23.54`	`stew`	`Guerin: smellotron is non-free, HAND`
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`20:24.04`	`Guerin`	`debain is useless, i cant even use PooTube with it lol`
`20:24.23`	`dutche-`	`Guerin, last week, when I was using another machine, with Etch, it was working, but now, I can't put it to work`
`20:24.42`	`pelzi_`	`ei suomea :P`
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`20:25.18`	`Guerin`	`dutche-: :(`
`20:25.33`	`porkpie__`	`Guy's what is the command to see how many cpu's are detected ...is it cpuid or something ??`
`20:25.44`	`pelzi_`	`cat /proc/cpu/something`
`20:25.46`	`stew`	`porkpie__: cat /proc/cpuinfo`
`20:25.47`	`streuner`	`look into /proc`
`20:25.50`	`pelzi_`	`please help yourself`
`20:25.53`	`tarzeau`	`jonas22: huh?`
`20:25.55`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`20:25.55`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
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`20:28.04`	`porkpie__`	`I see eight cpu's`
`20:28.28`	`streuner`	`heh`
`20:28.34`	`porkpie__`	`I am running 2 dual core 64bit xeon's`
`20:28.43`	`sineer`	`I'm trying to mount a nfs4 share and I get this error from a debian etch box with nfs-common running (with the NEED_IDMAPD=yes NEED_GSSD=yes)`
`20:29.04`	`streuner`	`paste the output of the command stew gave you in paster bot`
`20:29.14`	`porkpie__`	`OK`
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`20:30.28`	`porkpie__`	`http://pastebin.ca/210529`
`20:31.45`	`streuner`	`hm, Mark from the UK ;-)`
`20:32.05`	`porkpie__`	`streuner:?`
`20:32.19`	`evilbulgarian__`	`hi, i am getting "sdb very big device try to use READ CAPACITY(16)" how can i enable that option or how exactly do i partition this disk with parted?`
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`20:32.55`	`enouf`	`porkpie__: what's the problem? 2x2x2`
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`20:33.47`	`porkpie__`	`enouf:no problem ...I didn't reliese it would detect 8 cpu's`
`20:34.47`	`porkpie__`	`enouf:I think it should rock ....it certainly will not be a slow box`
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`20:35.31`	`Newk`	`amphi: sorry about yesterday.. i got disconnected and didnt had the time to reconnect because it was way pass bedtime :p`
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`20:35.35`	`possie`	`is there a sort of replacement file for rc.local?`
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`20:35.52`	`Newk`	`amphi: thanks for helping me`
`20:35.56`	`enouf`	`porkpie__: 2 CPUs x 2Cores each x 2xHT percore .. it netter rock :-)`
`20:36.01`	`enouf`	`better*`
`20:36.23`	`silox`	`Anyone know how to Record VOIP calls in Linux?`
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`20:36.48`	`silox`	`SIP Protocol`
`20:37.13`	`anapivirtua__`	`Nighty all`
`20:37.16`	`Newk`	`amphi: there must be some error with the handling of scroll lock within X because xev does recognize the scroll lock key`
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`20:37.41`	`^PHASE^`	`hi`
`20:38.13`	`^PHASE^`	`i have a debian 3.1 kernel 2.6.18.1 running in a dual xeon with a 3ware sata2 controller (9550sx)`
`20:38.17`	`^PHASE^`	`and some times system freezes`
`20:38.26`	`^PHASE^`	`checking logs`
`20:38.29`	`^PHASE^`	`i found it: 3w-9xxx: scsi2: ERROR: (0x03:0x0101): Invalid command opcode:opcode=0x80.`
`20:38.36`	`Guerin`	`^PHASE^: debian doesn't release 4-number kernels, ttbomk`
`20:38.37`	`^PHASE^`	`someone thinks it can be fucked?`
`20:39.00`	`^PHASE^`	`well, it is compiled from source`
`20:39.21`	`Guerin`	`if it's compuiled from source, it's not a debian kernel`
`20:39.33`	`^PHASE^`	`i should have put a ,`
`20:39.36`	`^PHASE^`	`sorry ;p`
`20:39.50`	`^PHASE^`	`i didnt want say it was a debian kernel`
`20:39.54`	`streuner`	`if he mean with 3.1 sarge it couldn't be a debian kernel (2.6.18)`
`20:39.54`	`Guerin`	`^PHASE^: so I suggest you ask lkml or see if you get the same issue on a debian kernel`
`20:40.05`	`^PHASE^`	`oki`
`20:40.07`	`^PHASE^`	`thanks ;)`
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`20:41.23`	`kml`	`what portal app would a good choice for setting up a documtation and knowledge internet system?`
`20:41.24`	`cjuner`	`Seb, 2.6.18 working?`
`20:41.59`	`cjuner`	`kml, whatever that is... a wiki?`
`20:42.22`	`kml`	`i heard wiki is not that good.`
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`20:43.22`	`Guerin`	`wtf do you even mean by a portal app?`
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`20:43.52`	`cjuner`	`wtf is a knowledge internet system?`
`20:44.13`	`cjuner`	`kml, maybe you can tell us what exactly you are trying to achieve`
`20:44.42`	`pelzi_`	`a wiki is better than most CMSs imo... just limit who can edit`
`20:45.12`	`Guerin`	`kml: giooo, laggeh`
`20:45.26`	`p33k4y`	`is ubuntu good or bloated like mandrake? i couldnt figure out the answer from reviews`
`20:45.47`	`streuner`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:46.04`	`p33k4y`	`since it's using DEB i thought here would be a better place to ask rather than #ubuntu :p`
`20:46.07`	`Guerin`	`bah`
`20:46.10`	`Guerin`	`stupid lag`
`20:46.41`	`Guerin`	`p33k4y: define 'bloated'`
`20:46.58`	`Guerin`	`kml: give us a link to an example of what you mean`
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`20:47.11`	`abrotman`	`and why is he asking us ?`
`20:47.22`	`streuner`	`good question ;-)`
`20:47.28`	Sebboh`	`How come some channels become ##channel when you join them?`
`20:47.28`	`cydork`	`kml, wiki is not good??`
`20:47.31`	`Coweater`	`p33k4y: do you ask redhat people about mandrake because it uses rpm?`
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`20:48.07`	`abrotman`	Sebboh`: freenode policy .. see freenode.net for an explaination
`20:48.29`	`Coweater`	Sebboh`: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#topicalchannels
`20:48.31`	Sebboh`	`.. via http?`
`20:48.34`	Sebboh`	`ah.`
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`20:48.50`	`kml`	`that what i have been told and we are using wiki and we are moving away from it now.`
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`20:50.57`	`p33k4y`	`Coweater i just asked`
`20:51.06`	`abrotman`	`p33k4y: ask #ubuntu`
`20:51.06`	Sebboh`	`omg, freenode = nazis. =P`
`20:51.40`	`p33k4y`	`it would be stupid to ask "does ubuntu suck" in #ubuntu`
`20:51.40`	`p33k4y`	`forget`
`20:51.41`	Sebboh`	`"SHOW ME ZEE PAPERS!"`
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`20:52.07`	`abrotman`	`p33k4y: then ask ##linux`
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`20:54.07`	`kml`	`what is best portal for setting up pork site ;)`
`20:54.33`	`Seb`	`cjuner: yeah, it does :)`
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`20:54.48`	`cjuner`	`Seb, hehe`
`20:54.49`	`Seb`	`kml: a tomcat might eat some`
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`20:55.06`	`phz114n`	`when i dist-upgraded a day or two ago, ctrl+c and ctrl+z stopped working in my terminal. ctrl+d/s/q work as they did before. anyone who knows why that is?`
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`20:55.49`	`kml`	`semi porn site :)`
`20:56.02`	`phz114n`	`i have located the problem to that dist-upgrade anyway, i can't see anything else that could have affected it`
`20:56.24`	`phz114n`	`i'm running unstable, btw`
`20:56.33`	`phz114n`	`and aterm`
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`20:57.17`	`Guerin`	`p33k4y: check BTS`
`20:57.24`	`abrotman`	`phz114n: check bts`
`20:57.26`	`abrotman`	`:)`
`20:57.34`	`Guerin`	`p33k4y: also try a different terminal emulator to see if it's shell or terminal or whatall`
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`20:58.01`	`phz114n`	`i checked it for aterm but couldn't find anything. i can check it again though. i will try eterm or something as well. i'll be back :-)`
`20:58.19`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: stop talking to the wrong guy`
`20:58.41`	`Guerin`	`anapivirtua__: shaddup`
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`20:58.53`	`simonrvn`	`yeh, that one tinks he's too l33t to get help :P`
`20:58.56`	`abrotman`	`!qotd175`
`20:58.56`	`dpkg`	`* Guerin -> skool \| <abrotman> where Guerin learns to control his irc client :) \| <Guerin> amphi: i can control my irc client!!!1`
`20:58.57`	`Crissi`	`hello`
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`20:59.12`	`Crissi`	`some ao i was here because freezes on debian unstable`
`20:59.33`	Sebboh`	`Does apt cache source packages?`
`20:59.41`	`Crissi`	`i did a fresh reinstall of testing and all things are fine`
`20:59.44`	`simonrvn`	`ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives`
`20:59.47`	`abrotman`	Sebboh`: huh ?
`21:00.03`	`phz114n`	`everything works as usual in xterm`
`21:00.07`	`Crissi`	`but today i got some updates... and it freeze again!!!`
`21:00.23`	`Crissi`	`what the hell has been happen?`
`21:00.23`	`Guerin`	`phz114n: check bts; if nothing, file a bug against aterm`
`21:00.33`	`simonrvn`	`a bit on the cold side here today, though nothing downright freezing`
`21:00.36`	`Guerin`	`Crissi: unstable is living up to its name... shock/horror`
`21:00.51`	`phz114n`	`Guerin: ok, i'll do that. thanks for the help`
`21:01.08`	`Crissi`	`Guerin: all has worked fine before (~ 6 month)`
`21:01.18`	`simonrvn`	`so? :)`
`21:01.29`	`Crissi`	`freezes of the complete machine are very strange`
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`21:01.50`	`Guerin`	`Crissi: past performance is no guarantee`
`21:01.52`	Sebboh`	`simonrvn, I don't see any source packages in there. ..Oh well, in the time I've spent looking, I could have redownloaded it. ;)`
`21:02.03`	`Crissi`	`it happens here by copying some from a usb disk which is formatted witx xfs`
`21:02.11`	`Guerin`	`Crissi: they almost always mean kernel<->hardware interaction problems`
`21:02.12`	`simonrvn`	Sebboh`: it doesn't stor source packages there ...
`21:02.14`	`simonrvn`	`e`
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`21:02.33`	`simonrvn`	`oh, sorry, my bad then`
`21:02.34`	Sebboh`	`simon, does it store them elsewhere, or not at all?`
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`21:02.43`	`Crissi`	`i had mount the disk by clicking on the icon on the desktop put by kde there`
`21:02.45`	`simonrvn`	`in . when you apt-get source foo`
`21:02.54`	Sebboh`	`kk`
`21:03.29`	`Crissi`	`then, i select a musicfile with xmms and play it, it begins and then the machine freeze hard and sound loops :(`
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`21:03.54`	`simonrvn`	`sounds like a problem with the driver or the hardware`
`21:04.01`	`Crissi`	`i came backe because all was fine with testing after reinstall (4 days ago)`
`21:04.05`	`Guerin`	`well, at least it's not the sound card ;)`
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`21:04.15`	`Stalwart`	`hi debianers`
`21:04.16`	`simonrvn`	`!slap Guerin`
`21:04.19`	`Guerin`	`Crissi: then the cure is not to use iunstable`
`21:04.23`	`Crissi`	`sound is plaing fine from kde (system sounds)`
`21:04.34`	`Crissi`	`Guerin: its testing!`
`21:04.36`	`simonrvn`	`or, the file is fucked`
`21:04.40`	`Guerin`	`uh`
`21:04.41`	`Crissi`	`no`
`21:04.45`	`Crissi`	`the file is ok`
`21:04.50`	`Guerin`	`i thought you said it was unstable?`
`21:04.59`	`Stalwart`	`if i install testing, then upgrade to unstable, then, after some time, downgrade to testing again - will i have troubles?`
`21:05.00`	`simonrvn`	`s/he reinstalled etch on it`
`21:05.02`	`Crissi`	`it cannot be that the machine will freeze hard!!!`
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`21:05.32`	`Crissi`	`after an upgrade today it have the problems again`
`21:05.33`	`Guerin`	`Crissi: ok, you reinstalled testing and it was fine ... then what did you do which made it unfine?`
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`21:05.42`	`Crissi`	`so something must be come from unstable to testing`
`21:05.50`	`Guerin`	`right`
`21:05.56`	`Crissi`	`Guerin: update every da.`
`21:05.58`	`Crissi`	`day.`
`21:06.00`	`Guerin`	`the only culprit I can think of would be a kernel`
`21:06.05`	`simonrvn`	`JordiGH: "ooohh cute!" (quote from my wife)`
`21:06.17`	`Guerin`	`other stuff shouldn't be able to lock the whole box up`
`21:06.22`	`simonrvn`	`it is cute`
`21:06.45`	`JordiGH`	`simonrvn: That's like when my girlfriend calls my penis cute. :-/`
`21:06.52`	`Crissi`	`uname -r`
`21:06.52`	`Crissi`	`2.6.17-2-686`
`21:06.55`	`JordiGH`	`PH33R COMMIE TUX!!`
`21:07.02`	`elliptic`	`I want to add a directory for a shared library, so I define LD_LIBRARY_PATH with this directory (only this directory) and that works, do I have to add /lib and /usr/lib too ?`
`21:07.12`	`Stevie[FP]`	`At least you have a girlfriend`
`21:07.13`	`Guerin`	`Crissi: downgrade to an older kernel and see what gives`
`21:07.34`	`simonrvn`	`JordiGH: no, not that kind of cute, more like with !!!!!! and a grin after it`
`21:07.40`	`Guerin`	`elliptic: edit /etc/ldconfig`
`21:07.49`	`Guerin`	`or something`
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`21:07.56`	`elliptic`	`Guerin: I'm not root`
`21:08.07`	`JordiGH`	`simonrvn: Oh. That's acceptable, then. :-)`
`21:08.15`	`Guerin`	`elliptic: oh ;(`
`21:08.30`	`elliptic`	`yes`
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`21:08.30`	`simonrvn`	`JordiGH: hehehe (wrt 'PH33R COMMIE TUX!!')`
`21:08.40`	`Crissi`	`Guerin: as i had the problems i tried various... nothing has solved the problem including mem testing, switching graphics driver, wireless on/off , other kernel...`
`21:08.49`	`Crissi`	`it has only happend on x`
`21:08.55`	`simonrvn`	`i'l do one up with a native pride cap on or somthin'`
`21:08.57`	`simonrvn`	`l`
`21:08.58`	`Crissi`	`on console has worked fine`
`21:09.11`	`Crissi`	`i will try to play music from this disk on console`
`21:09.28`	`Crissi`	`if i ping out... it has been happend...`
`21:09.31`	`Crissi`	`now trying`
`21:10.43`	`JordiGH`	`Is there a tool to be used non-interactively in a script for indenting code according to Emacs standards? I've got some code with horribly long indentation, presumably good for viewing in a Windows environment, but incomfortable in Emacs.`
`21:10.43`	`Guerin`	`elliptic: i'm pretty sure LD_LIBRARY_PATH is used in addition to the existing lib paths`
`21:10.43`	`JordiGH`	`uncomfortable`
`21:10.43`	`SpComb`	`hrm... is it just me or does the awstats package for sarge suck badly?`
`21:10.43`	`SpComb`	`the docs, the config file and the configure script all think differently`
`21:10.43`	`streuner`	`no, its just you :-)`
`21:10.43`	`JordiGH`	`SpComb: It's you. I get good sucking.`
`21:10.43`	`Guerin`	`JordiGH: can emacs not indent stuff?`
`21:10.51`	`SpComb`	`what have I done wrong then :/`
`21:10.54`	`JordiGH`	`Guerin: Can it do it for thousands of source files at once?`
`21:11.22`	`Guerin`	`mm... you could do something with a for loop and emacs -f or such`
`21:11.28`	`Guerin`	`but that's pretty bad and wrong`
`21:11.31`	`JordiGH`	`Answering my own question, probably. It's Emacs. :-)`
`21:11.34`	`blondie`	`emacs is wrong, yes.`
`21:11.50`	`Guerin`	`a macro!`
`21:12.02`	`elliptic`	`Guerin: I hope, tanks you`
`21:12.06`	`Guerin`	`blondie: the only thing wronger is vi[m]`
`21:12.11`	`simonrvn`	`JordiGH: unexpand/expand`
`21:12.18`	`streuner`	`uh, Guerin is identified to services`
`21:12.20`	`JordiGH`	`simonrvn?`
`21:12.30`	`Guerin`	`i shore am`
`21:12.33`	`blondie`	`Guerin: ho ho ho ho ho ho ho`
`21:12.35`	`simonrvn`	`for the tabs and such. you can set size, and so on`
`21:12.50`	`JordiGH`	`!info expand`
`21:12.56`	`JordiGH`	`?`
`21:13.21`	`simonrvn`	`Usage: unexpand [OPTION]... [FILE]...\nConvert blanks in each FILE to tabs, writing to standard output.`
`21:13.31`	`Guerin`	`yikes`
`21:13.38`	`simonrvn`	`in coreutils`
`21:13.41`	`Guerin`	`convert all whitespace to tabs?`
`21:13.44`	`Crissi`	`i switched to console (ctrl+alt+f1) and mount the disk with pmount and play the music with mpg123`
`21:13.46`	`simonrvn`	`expand does the other way`
`21:13.50`	`Crissi`	`and it still works`
`21:14.03`	`Crissi`	`why it happen the freeze under x?`
`21:14.03`	`simonrvn`	`--first-only convert only leading sequences of blanks (overrides -a)`
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`21:14.22`	`Guerin`	`Crissi: i blame kde`
`21:14.32`	`Crissi`	`on unstable i still had no luck with the nvidia or nv`
`21:14.40`	`simonrvn`	`Guerin: you played it with xmms only?`
`21:14.42`	`Crissi`	`how kde can freeze my machine?`
`21:14.49`	`Guerin`	`simonrvn: not I`
`21:14.51`	`simonrvn`	`Guerin: sorry`
`21:14.55`	`simonrvn`	`Crissi: ^^`
`21:15.08`	`JordiGH`	`simonrvn: Ooh, thanks. That'll do the trick. But, uh, wait. It's not going to actually going to indent code, is it? I'm not even sure if this code has tabs.`
`21:15.13`	`Crissi`	`it has freezed on xmms use too, at resizing the playlist window`
`21:15.22`	`simonrvn`	`read the --help`
`21:16.00`	`Guerin`	`woot, I got a spam!`
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`21:17.47`	`streuner`	`Guerin: is everything ok today?`
`21:17.53`	`Guerin`	`streuner: 100%`
`21:18.04`	`streuner`	`sounds like paradies`
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`21:18.14`	`Guerin`	`streuner: getting spam is now an exciting rarity, since I installed postgrey`
`21:18.26`	`Guerin`	`this is the first one in two days`
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`21:19.05`	`streuner`	`subsribe to a debian ML :-)`
`21:19.50`	`JordiGH`	`How does spam get to the Debian mailing lists, I've wondered? I thought they were subscriber-only.`
`21:19.58`	`JordiGH`	`I guess spammers have figured out how to work Mailman. :-/`
`21:20.19`	`AnyFile`	`When I do the shutdow my pc do not turn off automatically. I have looked up and found that the apmd is not installed. Is this the only reason or what shall I do- thanks`
`21:20.45`	`Guerin`	`heh`
`21:20.55`	`Guerin`	`JordiGH: shock/horror`
`21:21.15`	`simonrvn`	`JordiGH: all depends on the MTA`
`21:21.28`	`JordiGH`	`Mailman should quiz you on Monty Python sketches before it allows you to sign on to the mailing list.`
`21:21.30`	`Guerin`	`AnyFile: if your machine is apm, that could be it. If it's acpi you might have to turn it on in bios or such.`
`21:21.32`	`simonrvn`	`er, more like how it's configured, sorry`
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`21:21.58`	`SlayerXP`	`good evening, hash dweebians`
`21:22.22`	`cydork`	`SlayerXP, too much weed??`
`21:22.36`	`JordiGH`	`Or, "On page 2 paragraph 3 of the Debian Free Software Guidelines, what is the second letter of the third word in the fourth paragraph?"`
`21:22.44`	`streuner`	`AnyFile: does your kernel support apm?`
`21:22.52`	`AnyFile`	`I actullay do not know if my machine is apm or acpi *actually I do not know what acpi is), the shutdown was working with a old different distro`
`21:22.52`	`SlayerXP`	`cydork: yes, my garden is overrun`
`21:22.55`	`JordiGH`	`!shoot SlayerXP`
`21:23.14`	`JordiGH`	`How much XP do I get for that?`
`21:23.15`	`cydork`	`SlayerXP, really?? where do you live? i can help you with that :P`
`21:23.20`	`AnyFile`	`streuner, I do not know. I have used the one in the installation CD (the 2.6 version)`
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`21:23.39`	`SlayerXP`	`cydork: Vegmo, 7710 Sparbu, Norway`
`21:23.43`	`Guerin`	`SlayerXP: my a and i keys have worn out already`
`21:23.54`	`streuner`	AnyFile: grep -i apm /boot/config-`uname -r`
`21:24.04`	`cydork`	`SlayerXP, too far :(`
`21:24.13`	`SlayerXP`	`cydork: you lose.`
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`21:24.49`	`JordiGH`	`!prize SlayerXP`
`21:24.51`	`AnyFile`	`I have hust found this http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20061001.184855.0b527dd6.en.html but I am usng sarge, not etch`
`21:24.57`	`SpComb`	`the awstats package doesn't come with a single man page?`
`21:25.15`	`streuner`	`SpComb: look at awstats.sf.net`
`21:25.39`	`streuner`	`SpComb: awstats has plenty of docs`
`21:25.39`	`SpComb`	`I am, but still`
`21:25.58`	`SpComb`	`so far, the debian package for awstats is pretty horrible`
`21:26.02`	`SlayerXP`	`it occurs to me that I should really have ops here.`
`21:26.04`	`AnyFile`	`yest, the apm is int the kernel as module`
`21:26.19`	`streuner`	`AnyFile: if the kernel supports APM, just give some kernel-parameters via bootloader to it`
`21:26.19`	`simonrvn`	`SlayerXP: o_O`
`21:26.19`	`SpComb`	`the awstats_configure script borks out on trying to write the config file, writes totally incorrect alises to the apache config, etc.`
`21:26.27`	`SlayerXP`	`simonrvn: hiya :)`
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`21:26.39`	`streuner`	`AnyFile: so custom kernel?`
`21:26.46`	`simonrvn`	`SlayerXP: hullo`
`21:26.57`	`streuner`	knusper:/boot# grep -i apm /boot/config-`uname -r`
`21:26.57`	`rgsteele`	`Eh, my c++ is a bit rusty. Anyone have any idea what the libstdc++ include looks like?`
`21:26.57`	`AnyFile`	`So, I do not need to install the apmd package?`
`21:27.07`	`streuner`	`CONFIG_APM=m`
`21:27.14`	`streuner`	`no`
`21:27.16`	`JordiGH`	`rgsteele: #include <iostream> ?`
`21:27.18`	`rgsteele`	`I though it'd be something like: #include <libstdc++> or something`
`21:27.21`	`Guerin`	`SpComb: bugfiling is mandatory`
`21:27.37`	`cydork`	`rgsteele, it's lib :)`
`21:27.38`	`streuner`	`AnyFile: just use an official kernel`
`21:27.43`	`JordiGH`	`There isn't a libstdc++ header file. That's a Debian package. Include individual header files.`
`21:27.46`	`rgsteele`	`cydork: huh?`
`21:27.46`	`AnyFile`	`No, I have used the standard kernel in the distro intall (but I have choosed the 2.6 instead of 2.4) I am using2.6.8-3-386`
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`21:28.06`	`cydork`	`rgsteele, what are you trying to do?`
`21:28.16`	`rgsteele`	`just include the standard c++ library`
`21:28.22`	`JordiGH`	`rgsteele: Or if you want, you could include cstdlib, the C++ified version of the stdlib.`
`21:28.23`	`SlayerXP`	`simonrvn: you disagree? :)`
`21:28.25`	`rgsteele`	`which i thought was libstc`
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`21:28.31`	`rgsteele`	`er, libstdc`
`21:28.38`	`streuner`	`AnyFile: ok, just /lastlog streuner and read`
`21:28.52`	`JordiGH`	`rgsteele: There isn't a standard C++ library. There are streams instead and a bunch of different standard classes.`
`21:29.17`	`JordiGH`	`I mean, there is a standard C++ library, but it's too big to include it all at once. This is neither desirable nor easily accomplished.`
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`21:29.40`	`rgsteele`	`Ok, well back when I used to write in C++, it was "#include <stdlib.h>"`
`21:29.41`	`wimpies`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:29.43`	`rgsteele`	`but apparently times have changed`
`21:29.53`	`JordiGH`	`rgsteele: #include <cstdlib>`
`21:29.59`	`rgsteele`	`JordiGH: Doesn't work`
`21:30.06`	`JordiGH`	`It should.`
`21:30.07`	`pickcoder`	`stdlib.h is an ANSI C header`
`21:30.07`	`SlayerXP`	`JordiGH: in general C++ is neither desirable nor easily accomplishe`
`21:30.15`	`SlayerXP`	`d`
`21:30.20`	`streuner`	`SlayerXP: why you want to?`
`21:30.23`	`JordiGH`	`!doesn't work`
`21:30.23`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".`
`21:30.48`	`streuner`	`SlayerXP: all things have its pros and cons... (TM)`
`21:30.53`	`SlayerXP`	`streuner: why, to inflate my under-stimulated ago, of course?`
`21:31.00`	`SlayerXP`	`ego`
`21:31.19`	`rgsteele`	`Ok, well if I'm using namespace std`
`21:31.27`	`streuner`	`well, look dude, you want more headaches? reech for it then`
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`21:31.49`	`pickcoder`	`rgsteele: you can use ANSI C libraries in C++ but you're just wrapping C code`
`21:32.07`	`rgsteele`	`I just need to know the modern equivalent of stdlib.h`
`21:32.25`	`zinx`	`rgsteele: cstdlib...`
`21:32.30`	`zinx`	`rgsteele: you've already been told`
`21:32.42`	`rgsteele`	`I get a mountain of errors if I try that`
`21:32.47`	`JordiGH`	`rgsteele: cstdlib is a C++ wrapper for C. It undoes some C macros and puts everything into the std namespace the way Lord Stroustrup intended.`
`21:32.49`	`SlayerXP`	`rgsteele: include "MICRO~FT.NET"`
`21:32.56`	`JordiGH`	`rgsteele: What's the first error?`
`21:33.01`	`JordiGH`	`#include <cstdlib>`
`21:33.01`	`JordiGH`	`int main(){`
`21:33.01`	`JordiGH`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:33.04`	`JordiGH`	`}`
`21:33.08`	`JordiGH`	`g++ that program.`
`21:33.10`	`JordiGH`	`what happens?`
`21:33.10`	`AnyFile`	`thank you, streuner . I will try to fix`
`21:33.47`	`rgsteele`	`gcc salary.cc`
`21:33.49`	`rgsteele`	/tmp/cciB0dZr.o(.text+0x18): In function `main':
`21:33.50`	`rgsteele`	: undefined reference to `std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >::basic_string[in-charge]()'
`21:33.51`	`streuner`	`hm, too late, maybe he should use some other kernel (2.6.8)...`
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`21:34.06`	`zinx`	`rgsteele: gcc doesn't link the standard C++ runtime`
`21:34.09`	`streuner`	`2.6.8 gives many issues in the past`
`21:34.14`	`zinx`	`rgsteele: you have to use g++ or add it manually`
`21:34.16`	`streuner`	`s/gives/gave/`
`21:34.16`	`JordiGH`	`rgsteele: That's a linker error. Compile with g++, not gcc.`
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`21:34.37`	`rgsteele`	`Ah, yeah...`
`21:34.45`	`poopybutt`	`anybody have experience with cedega?`
`21:34.47`	`rgsteele`	`It's been awhile, can ya tell? :)`
`21:35.02`	`streuner`	`!cedega`
`21:35.03`	`dpkg`	`somebody said cedega was the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html`
`21:35.14`	`streuner`	`so its not in debian and OT`
`21:35.47`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: By the way, I forgot to mention this to you. Aptitude install it too. It's got very pretty graphics:`
`21:35.50`	`JordiGH`	`!info octaviz`
`21:35.58`	`dpkg`	`octaviz: (3D visualization system for Octave), section math, is optional. Version: 0.4.0+cvs20060921-2 (sid), Packaged size: 13571 kB, Installed size: 38820 kB`
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`21:39.26`	`teclo`	`Hello I'm looking for a command that I can call from a script and that will return me for how long my ppp connection has been open...`
`21:39.26`	`JordiGH`	`If I create a statically linked binary, what could prevent the binary alone to run in another distro or even another version of Debian? Everything?`
`21:39.30`	`JordiGH`	`Nothing?`
`21:39.52`	`pelzi_`	`nothing`
`21:39.55`	`zinx`	`JordiGH: kernel, the various glibc .sos that are still dynamicly linked`
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`21:40.02`	`pelzi_`	`yep`
`21:40.07`	`pelzi_`	`libc is the only thing.`
`21:40.14`	`JordiGH`	`zinx: It's not possible to statically link those too? :-/`
`21:40.24`	`zinx`	`JordiGH: sadly no`
`21:40.26`	`stoned`	`man`
`21:40.27`	`stoned`	`hi`
`21:40.28`	`zinx`	`JordiGH: at least not easily`
`21:40.29`	`pelzi_`	`binary compatibility would be a nice thing...`
`21:40.37`	`stoned`	`I just came home from 1.5 hour long Vista preview`
`21:40.44`	`pelzi_`	`libc is pretty big to compile statically`
`21:40.49`	`stoned`	`that MS rep at work was a tard`
`21:40.56`	`zinx`	`JordiGH: they're network stuff, /lib/libnss_*.so`
`21:40.59`	`kanedaddy`	`hello`
`21:41.02`	`unixslut`	`Hi`
`21:41.02`	`stoned`	`hi`
`21:41.06`	`JordiGH`	`pelzi_: It's hard to explain to The Other Side that I have to ship source and they have to compile, and can't just send them binaries. :-/`
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`21:41.15`	`zinx`	`JordiGH: try uclibc? :D`
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`21:41.36`	`pickcoder`	`JordiGH: you can always compile all of it into one binary`
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`21:41.40`	`Ragnaroek`	`hello`
`21:41.55`	`JordiGH`	`pickcoder: Ah. Like zinx said. "Not easily".`
`21:42.00`	`GoAuLd`	`its possible to have aiglx and the cube in debian sid ?`
`21:42.05`	`pickcoder`	`what are you linking?`
`21:42.08`	`kanedaddy`	`private`
`21:42.11`	`zinx`	`GoAuLd: yes.`
`21:42.14`	`streuner`	`GoAuLd: yes`
`21:42.14`	`unixslut`	`good`
`21:42.21`	`zinx`	`why anyone would voluntarily use compiz, though, i have no idea`
`21:42.22`	`pelzi_`	`GoAuLd: it's o'neill, with 2 L's`
`21:42.22`	`Ragnaroek`	`don't know`
`21:42.23`	`GoAuLd`	`un upgrading to sid now!`
`21:42.30`	`zinx`	`worst window manager ever, worse than even the old metacity`
`21:42.38`	`streuner`	`GoAuLd: /msg dpkg sid faq`
`21:42.41`	`GoAuLd`	`pelzi_ allright ill change it now`
`21:42.43`	`JordiGH`	`pickcoder: Nothing right now. Just some numerical routines for future. I'm going to have to get my advisor to install Debian or at least to use Cygwin. He's rather impressed with GSL, which pleases me. :-)`
`21:42.44`	`stoned`	`unupgrade?`
`21:42.46`	`stoned`	`haha`
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`21:43.13`	`pickcoder`	`you can always trim the library source down to only the functions you need and make it a static source tree`
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`21:43.21`	`pickcoder`	`"not easily" still applies though`
`21:43.44`	`pelzi_`	`that's one thing that makes closed source linux programs problematic`
`21:43.56`	`streuner`	`eeyore-: hi`
`21:44.09`	`pickcoder`	`and why depends make things even worse`
`21:44.10`	`pelzi_`	`on windows, even win16 binaries still work for the most part...`
`21:44.12`	`pickcoder`	`:P`
`21:44.36`	`JordiGH`	`pelzi_: Yeah. It's a bit embarrassing sometimes. Or it was, before apt. :-)`
`21:44.49`	`poopybutt`	`anybody ever experiment with cedega?`
`21:44.55`	`pelzi_`	`yes`
`21:45.00`	`pelzi_`	`ask, don't ask to ask`
`21:45.09`	`streuner`	`poopybutt: there is a channel for ... , IIRC`
`21:45.29`	`streuner`	`Channel Nutzer Thema`
`21:45.29`	`streuner`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.37`	`JordiGH`	`stoned: So, how does Vista look, insider? Or will someone "silence" you if you try to tell us?`
`21:45.40`	`stoned`	`poopybutt, cedega runs Diablo II, Painkiller, and Morrowind for me`
`21:45.57`	`stoned`	`JordiGH, tons of eye candy, its like Xgl kinda eye candy`
`21:46.09`	`poopybutt`	`i have a program called xbox connect`
`21:46.13`	`stoned`	`basically stuff that will have dumb users pay a few hundred bucks`
`21:46.29`	`stoned`	`poopybutt, I know nothing of xbox`
`21:46.29`	`JordiGH`	`stoned: Shit. The Beast rises one more (and final?) time.`
`21:46.36`	`pelzi_`	`I have linux on my xbox`
`21:46.47`	`pickcoder`	`stoned: it didn't crash during the demo?`
`21:46.48`	`poopybutt`	`stoned: no its a program that runs on your computer`
`21:46.51`	`stoned`	`poopybutt, however those games I mentioned, I run them under sid/cedega latest`
`21:46.54`	`poopybutt`	`to let you play online games without xbox live`
`21:47.06`	`pelzi_`	`I might buy it`
`21:47.19`	`pelzi_`	`I'll see if it supports the few things I need first...`
`21:47.36`	`stoned`	`they put effort into it`
`21:47.36`	`poopybutt`	`im trying to run this install.exe program from my desktop`
`21:47.36`	`stoned`	`I use it all the time, why not pay the measly 40$`
`21:47.40`	`stoned`	`its worth it, if only for the feeling of being nice to the devs`
`21:47.41`	`poopybutt`	`but i cant figure out how to isntall`
`21:47.55`	`JordiGH`	`stoned: S'long as you follow the same philosophy in paying for free software, I approve of your ethical choices. :-)`
`21:47.56`	`Newk`	`lol`
`21:47.56`	`GoAuLd`	`stoned does it execute some or many windows apps ?`
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`21:48.05`	`pelzi_`	`games.`
`21:48.12`	`pelzi_`	`for other apps, use wine`
`21:48.15`	`stoned`	`GoAuLd, never tried, just those games`
`21:48.27`	`stoned`	`however, Elderscrolls Oblivion will not work, cd protection issue`
`21:48.47`	`xittum`	`get a crack?`
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`21:48.52`	`h3sp4wn`	`cedega works badly everytime I have tried it (crossover office is much more professional)`
`21:49.03`	`stoned`	`I have the CD moron`
`21:49.17`	`stoned`	`cedega can't read the cd protection of that game`
`21:49.29`	`pelzi_`	`so?`
`21:49.31`	`vulture`	`stoned: no one's suggesting you don't have the CD..`
`21:49.33`	`pelzi_`	`use a crack`
`21:49.38`	`xittum`	`stoned: thanks for the moron part... but !.. i had games ON CD which needed a crack`
`21:49.42`	`Seb`	`what is the module responsible for letting me use a USB keyboard in console ?`
`21:49.49`	`stoned`	`xittum, sorry`
`21:49.53`	`zinx`	`it's sad when you have to crack a game you own legitimately to play it :/`
`21:49.56`	`pelzi_`	`it's illegal... well, they better not sue you`
`21:50.00`	`xittum`	`yep..`
`21:50.11`	`pelzi_`	`zinx: yep, I just hope some idiots sue a person owning the game`
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`21:50.22`	`NoNaMeNo`	`hi to everybody`
`21:50.24`	`pelzi_`	`zinx: it would be such great PR for copy protections`
`21:50.24`	`Guerin`	`they'd have a case`
`21:50.32`	`zinx`	`only in the US`
`21:50.36`	`pelzi_`	`or Finland`
`21:50.38`	`h3sp4wn`	`Its not illegal to crack a game you own (in the UK anyway)`
`21:50.39`	`Guerin`	`cracking a game is illegal, regardless of whether you own it`
`21:50.41`	`JordiGH`	`!greet NoNaMeNo`
`21:50.42`	`dpkg`	`Nihao, NoNaMeNo`
`21:50.49`	`Guerin`	`well, it goes without saying it'd be in the US`
`21:50.51`	`pelzi_`	`our idiot legislators copied the DMCA...`
`21:50.56`	`NoNaMeNo`	`I have a nfs-server problem!`
`21:51.15`	`pelzi_`	`in sweden it would not be a problem.`
`21:51.17`	`NoNaMeNo`	`i was here last week trying to solve a problem with big files in nfs`
`21:51.27`	`JordiGH`	`Oh. The 2 gig limit?`
`21:51.35`	`NoNaMeNo`	`yes`
`21:51.38`	`poopybutt`	`stoned: ok i got the installing running finally. it gives me an install location... and the default is c:\program files. what directory do i want it to be`
`21:51.43`	`NoNaMeNo`	`but`
`21:51.56`	`JordiGH`	`poopybutt: /usr/local ?`
`21:51.57`	`simonrvn`	`here it wouldn't be a problem either`
`21:52.01`	`pelzi_`	`nah`
`21:52.02`	`NoNaMeNo`	`we solve it installinf "nfs-server-kernel" package`
`21:52.08`	`pelzi_`	`install it in program files`
`21:52.09`	`stoned`	`poopybutt, cedega creates a ~/Transgaming_Drive link`
`21:52.14`	`simonrvn`	`nfs-kernel-server`
`21:52.19`	`stoned`	`poopybutt, install where you want to`
`21:52.29`	`NoNaMeNo`	`whatever :P`
`21:53.02`	`stoned`	`NoNaMeNo, what is your problem?`
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`21:53.08`	`NoNaMeNo`	`then i have nfsvers=2,3,4 but uploads transfer are less than 1Mb/s`
`21:53.19`	`stoned`	`NoNaMeNo, yup, same here`
`21:53.20`	`SlayerXP`	`Guerin: in the UK, cracking any software you own isn't illegal`
`21:53.22`	`NoNaMeNo`	`downloads 50Mb/s`
`21:53.25`	`stoned`	`samba seems to be faster`
`21:53.29`	`stoned`	`I dunno why`
`21:53.39`	`NoNaMeNo`	`but`
`21:53.40`	`SlayerXP`	`Guerin: that'd come under "space shifting"`
`21:53.55`	`NoNaMeNo`	`1Mb/s is too slow`
`21:54.01`	`Guerin`	`SlayerXP: yes, becaus ethere's no DMCA there`
`21:54.03`	`NoNaMeNo`	`in a Gigabit LAN`
`21:54.11`	`SlayerXP`	`Guerin: nods`
`21:54.19`	`stoned`	`whats up dude man homie bro`
`21:54.23`	`Guerin`	`no dmca here in NZ, either`
`21:54.42`	`JordiGH`	`hi`
`21:54.48`	`eeyore-`	`howdy`
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`21:54.56`	`simonrvn`	`stoned: hey dude. not much. trying to get over this flu`
`21:55.03`	`stoned`	`ahh, you too huh`
`21:55.07`	`JordiGH`	`Sorry. It's just that my BitchX did something silly inside my Konsole session. Anyways.`
`21:55.12`	`jonas3`	`Guerin, nice to hear that. No DMCA here in sweden either. Leave that to stupid0 bush`
`21:55.14`	`SlayerXP`	`Guerin: I have 2 DMCA takedown notices to datw`
`21:55.19`	`SlayerXP`	`date`
`21:55.23`	`Guerin`	`SlayerXP: nice.`
`21:55.24`	`streuner`	`simonrvn: NO`
`21:55.33`	`streuner`	`simonrvn: its NOT a flue`
`21:55.37`	`Guerin`	`SlayerXP: maybe one day they'll be worth something`
`21:55.43`	`SlayerXP`	`Guerin: both replied to with "thptptptptptpttp you can't make me"`
`21:55.50`	`simonrvn`	`whatever. are you in my body? no`
`21:56.11`	`streuner`	`no, but figure out what your temp. you have`
`21:56.14`	`kingsley`	`What's a good way to automatically run a script once every 18 months?`
`21:56.25`	`NoNaMeNo`	`does somebody has a stable and working nfs server - client??`
`21:56.34`	`streuner`	`nobody speaks like this if he have only a flue...`
`21:56.54`	`SlayerXP`	`NoNaMeNo: no, that's never happened before.`
`21:57.41`	`JordiGH`	`kingsley: cron`
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`21:58.03`	`streuner`	`simonrvn: nicotine :-(`
`21:58.18`	`simonrvn`	`have more, boost that brain man ;)`
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`21:58.54`	`simonrvn`	`ok. what makes you so sure i don't have a flu? :)`
`21:59.06`	`Guerin`	`kingsley: at`
`21:59.14`	`poopybutt`	`ok i got the program installed, i cant get the program to run though. i feel like if i did something wrong it wouldnt have even went to the install path`
`21:59.21`	`kingsley`	`JordiGH: I'm familiar with cron, but I wasn't aware that it could accomodate unusual schedules, like once every 18 months. Can you elaborate on how it might?`
`21:59.49`	`simonrvn`	`the darts aren't intercontinental`
`21:59.51`	`GoAuLd`	`prison SlayerXP`
`21:59.52`	`streuner`	`simonrvn: that was too much whining yesterday and today, a simonrvn didn't talk like this if he have only a flue!`
`21:59.58`	`GoAuLd`	`!prison SlayerXP`
`22:00.13`	`simonrvn`	`streuner: hehe`
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`22:00.30`	`JordiGH`	`kingsley: Or maybe it's at you want to use. I'm not sure if at can do every 18 months, though. :-/`
`22:00.45`	`kingsley`	`Guerin: I believe "at" could run one job in 18 months, but I'm unaware of how it could be coaxed to repeatedly run that job every 18 months. Can you elaborate?`
`22:00.50`	`Guerin`	`at requires that you set up each instance individually, i think`
`22:00.52`	`JordiGH`	`kingsley: I'm pretty sure cron can accomodate whatever schedule you want, but I don't know how to use it.`
`22:01.11`	`Guerin`	`that said, you could set up ten instances manually, then it'd run for 15 years`
`22:01.11`	`simonrvn`	`cron. just make it`
`22:01.43`	`Guerin`	`you could use sleep ;)`
`22:02.17`	`Billionaire`	`There are linux software to calculate "word density" and "word proximity" of web sites?`
`22:02.28`	`Guerin`	`wtf are those?`
`22:03.00`	`SlayerXP`	`Guerin: actually that's a good question`
`22:03.09`	`NoNaMeNo`	`bb`
`22:03.28`	`SlayerXP`	`Billionaire: yes, or no.`
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`22:03.56`	`SlayerXP`	`narrows, too`
`22:04.21`	`Billionaire`	`Slaughter, what means?`
`22:04.29`	`Guerin`	`SlayerXP: maybe it's when you divide the number of words by the mass of a web page`
`22:04.38`	`Guerin`	`or something`
`22:04.56`	`SlayerXP`	`Billionaire: slaughter means the removal of life from thougth-to-be-alive beings, on mass`
`22:05.04`	`SlayerXP`	`thought`
`22:05.07`	`Guerin`	`<heh>`
`22:05.25`	`JordiGH`	`Billionaire: What do you want to do? We don't understand "word density" and "word proximity".`
`22:06.04`	`SlayerXP`	`JordiGH: I disagree, I understand both terms, just not in this context`
`22:06.55`	`JordiGH`	`SlayerXP: Stop being a smartass, kid. You haven't stopped since you walked in here.`
`22:07.22`	`SlayerXP`	`JordiGH: blush`
`22:07.32`	`SlayerXP`	`you sweet talking ranger, you`
`22:07.45`	`tam`	`what would be the easiest way to setup a share that will change the file perms to what they are in the folder? (does that make sense)`
`22:07.56`	`Guerin`	`tam: no.`
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`22:08.04`	`teclo`	`no, the question doesn't make sense`
`22:08.12`	`teclo`	`please like, rephrase your question, or something`
`22:08.14`	`tam`	`heh, i'll explain better then`
`22:08.27`	`Guerin`	`you mean a share which doesn't alter the permissions of the share dir?`
`22:08.34`	`Billionaire`	`google use word density and word proximity to catalogue web page`
`22:08.41`	`SlayerXP`	`i would have said no, but JordiGH would have accused me of smart assery`
`22:08.50`	`pelzi_`	`so?`
`22:08.56`	`tam`	`i'm looking to setup a folder and put say files in it with perms i.e. 777 but when people move the files to that share i want the perms to change from theirs to the folders`
`22:09.00`	`pelzi_`	`pagerank is more than that`
`22:09.18`	`Guerin`	`tam: oh. you probably want sticky - infor coreutils`
`22:09.30`	`Guerin`	`s/infor/info/`
`22:09.33`	`tam`	`Guerin: aha, thanks`
`22:09.47`	`tam`	`Guerin: i knew it was somethign like that...i guess i need to do it on a group basis`
`22:09.54`	`Billionaire`	`pelzi_, but I can't control pagarenk, but word density yes`
`22:10.15`	`tam`	`cheers guys`
`22:10.18`	`pelzi_`	`well... you'll have a hard time finding out how pagerank works`
`22:11.21`	`SlayerXP`	`removing spaces increases word density`
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`22:12.19`	`Guerin`	`SlayerXP: not at all. It means there's only one word to divide by the mass of the web page`
`22:12.49`	`JordiGH`	`<ot> Dangnabit. I used my girlfriend's shampoo, and smelling my own hair has been turning me on the whole day, and I just realised why. :-/ </ot>`
`22:12.56`	`pelzi_`	`and "word density" probably means the density of the search terms.`
`22:13.01`	`Guerin`	`haha`
`22:13.11`	`Billionaire`	`pelzi_, yes`
`22:13.13`	`pelzi_`	`interesting.`
`22:13.13`	`SlayerXP`	`pelzi_: you mean, how stupid the query was?`
`22:13.17`	`pelzi_`	`yep`
`22:13.25`	`Billionaire`	`pelzi_, exactly`
`22:14.10`	`Billionaire`	`word density and word proximity are important in SEO (search engine optimization)`
`22:14.36`	`zinx`	`oh, god`
`22:14.42`	`zinx`	`a SEO weirdo`
`22:14.56`	`zethreth`	`Something really screwy happened to my system. First I had a problem with nothing working because libpthreed.so.0 had a relocation error that was not defined in ld-linux.so.2 so I copied both these back from a back up I had made and it corrected the problem. The only thing now, is that apt-get doesn't know that things are installed on my system, so it's like it's running on a fresh system trying to recreate over my already installed o`
`22:15.10`	`Guerin`	`zethreth: you don't get to be a Billionaire without it`
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`22:15.14`	`SlayerXP`	`i've worked for 3 search engines, does my opinion count?`
`22:15.27`	`Guerin`	`SlayerXP: no. Stop being a smart arse.`
`22:15.33`	`SlayerXP`	`oh`
`22:16.26`	`streuner`	`Guerin: :-)`
`22:16.36`	`stoned`	`lol`
`22:17.02`	`stoned`	`word density man, heavy`
`22:17.07`	`streuner`	`SlayerXP: no worries, Guerin critizes everybody :-)`
`22:17.40`	`SlayerXP`	`streuner: no worries, I still know all the guys who tweak search ratings :)`
`22:17.47`	`stoned`	`or high, whichever works`
`22:18.03`	`stoned`	`google for failure`
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`22:20.35`	`Crissi`	`hm... any hints what i can do now?`
`22:20.53`	`Crissi`	`i still listening music from console without any freezes`
`22:21.05`	`Crissi`	`so the problem must be related to x`
`22:21.08`	`JordiGH`	`Crissi, what's the issue?`
`22:21.52`	`Crissi`	`my machine freeze if i play music from a external disk on x`
`22:22.05`	`Crissi`	`playing in console from this this works fine`
`22:22.22`	`xittum`	`all players?.. and no mather if the use alsa or oss?`
`22:22.28`	`Crissi`	`i had these problems 4 days ago at unstable`
`22:22.35`	`Crissi`	`all players`
`22:22.57`	`Crissi`	`also happend on unstable by copying a file from it`
`22:23.16`	`Crissi`	`then i did a fresh install of testing and all went fine`
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`22:23.30`	`Crissi`	`today i did a update and now it happens again :(`
`22:23.33`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: Uploading via ftp antigrav_0.0.2-1_i386.changes: done.`
`22:23.47`	`abrotman`	`yay@!`
`22:23.59`	`JordiGH`	`abrotman: A bug fixed?`
`22:24.07`	`abrotman`	`JordiGH: more games!`
`22:24.12`	`xittum`	`Crissi: did you take a look at the log files for X + players?`
`22:24.47`	`Crissi`	`i did but my machine freeze so hard that no log entry is in syslog`
`22:25.01`	`Guerin`	`Crissi: in any x environment, or only kde?`
`22:25.13`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: What's it like? antigrav, I mean.`
`22:25.18`	`abrotman`	`google!`
`22:25.21`	`Crissi`	`i had only tried on kde`
`22:25.26`	`Crissi`	`g00gle i had tried a lot`
`22:25.28`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: http://80.219.69.187/antigravitaattori/`
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`22:25.44`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: http://www.luolamies.org/software/antigrav`
`22:25.46`	`Crissi`	`before i install testing (6 days i had tried to fix)`
`22:25.47`	`xittum`	`Crissi: go to kde controlcenter and disable sound system (arts)`
`22:25.59`	`Crissi`	`i'll try`
`22:26.08`	`Crissi`	`but interesting is that kde sounds work fine`
`22:26.17`	`xittum`	`thats the problem`
`22:26.19`	`xittum`	`hehe`
`22:26.22`	`Crissi`	`now i'll disable it`
`22:26.24`	`Guerin`	`yeah, but that don't mean arts isn't fucking things up`
`22:26.29`	`Guerin`	`!arts`
`22:26.29`	`dpkg`	`i heard arts is the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound`
`22:26.29`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: it's like when you eat 500 grams of chocolate pudding, and then go to onto a swing with full velocity`
`22:26.53`	`xittum`	`Crissi: tehn restart x... i think it will work..maybe`
`22:27.04`	`JordiGH`	`Next KDE is supposed to replace arts, iirc.`
`22:27.14`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Is that an OpenGL game I'm seeing?`
`22:27.18`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: nope`
`22:27.27`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: it runs perfectly with the worst graphics drivers you can use`
`22:27.40`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: the graphics are rendered and stored as bitmaps`
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`22:27.49`	`JordiGH`	`You just put it up in unstable?`
`22:28.01`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: yeah that's the usual way for software`
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`22:28.15`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: actually my sponsor put it there`
`22:28.16`	`JordiGH`	`It takes what, a day for my mirror to have it?`
`22:28.36`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: no, it must go to debian new queue (i've got like 6 other packages in there for 7 weeks now)`
`22:28.43`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Hm, didn't see your RFS. You didn't send it to debian-mentors?`
`22:28.46`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: that's why i put my own webservers url here`
`22:28.54`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: take it now, i'll turn my computer off now, to go to sleep`
`22:29.00`	`JordiGH`	`One sec.`
`22:29.01`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: RFS? i made an ITP`
`22:29.08`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: RFS is for weenies`
`22:29.12`	`JordiGH`	`:-(`
`22:29.15`	`tarzeau`	`btw you mean RFP?`
`22:29.25`	`tarzeau`	`RFS?`
`22:29.32`	`tarzeau`	`!RFS`
`22:29.32`	`dpkg`	`rfs is, like, frequently seen on debian-mentors as people try to get their favourite new WMxmms plugin into Debian`
`22:29.33`	`streuner`	`hm`
`22:29.43`	`Crissi`	`hmm`
`22:29.44`	`JordiGH`	`?`
`22:29.45`	`Crissi`	`strange`
`22:29.45`	`zethreth`	`this sucks`
`22:29.58`	`Crissi`	`killed artsd and xmms play fine`
`22:30.03`	`streuner`	`its already in debian`
`22:30.09`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: what?`
`22:30.10`	`Crissi`	`strange`
`22:30.10`	`zethreth`	`someone always fries my system`
`22:30.39`	`streuner`	`tarzeau: hm, misread that (wmx-xmms)`
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`22:30.51`	`zethreth`	`had to be someone else`
`22:30.59`	`JordiGH`	`dpkg, no, rfs is Request For Sponsor, frequently used in the debian-mentors mailing list as a request from would-be Debian maintainers to find someone who will sponsor their package.`
`22:30.59`	`dpkg`	`JordiGH: okay`
`22:31.06`	`lontra`	`tarzeau: you're in training to become a DD?`
`22:31.06`	`xittum`	`Crissi:its not strange.. its arts ! :-/ do you have alsa-base + alsa-utils installed? and did you run the alsaconf command as root?`
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`22:31.13`	`tarzeau`	`lontra: in training?`
`22:31.23`	`Crissi`	`xittum: it has worked all time unitil some days`
`22:31.23`	`tarzeau`	`lontra: there's no such training really`
`22:31.35`	`tarzeau`	`lontra: i'm maintaing software that i use`
`22:31.42`	`xittum`	`Crissi: arts NEVER worked ;)`
`22:31.44`	`Crissi`	`what has been changed today from unstable to testing`
`22:31.53`	`tarzeau`	`lontra: yes i've applied to get an @debian.org address and i've solved www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.png`
`22:32.11`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Can you give me a link to your source tarball? Having problems with my browser opening your webpage.`
`22:32.34`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: it's here http://80.219.69.187/antigravitaattori/`
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`22:32.43`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: what browser are you using?`
`22:33.38`	`lontra`	`but i thought there is a mentoring program?`
`22:33.38`	`tarzeau`	`lontra: why were you asking really?`
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`22:33.39`	`lontra`	`just curious`
`22:33.39`	`tarzeau`	`lontra: nobody is required to go the mentoring program way. btw what is that exactly anyways?`
`22:33.39`	`lontra`	`no idea ;)`
`22:33.39`	`tarzeau`	`lontra: there's plenty enough documentation, just do it`
`22:33.39`	`tkup`	`this is not debian specific but I couldn't get help anywhere else. my system is running out of inodes and it can't create files or function normally. I tried to locate inode-max file under /proc/sys/fs but it's not there. there's file-max but increasing that number didn't help at all. did anyone run into this situation and resolved it`
`22:33.39`	`Crissi`	`xittum: what now?`
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`22:33.51`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: It's not a browser issue. My network randomly disallows certain websites from Debian, although I can get to them from Windows.`
`22:34.03`	`JordiGH`	`My sysadmin doesn't know how to fix it. :-(`
`22:34.09`	`pelzi_`	`broken DNS`
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`22:34.23`	`tarzeau`	`pelzi_: could also be something different`
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`22:34.44`	`JordiGH`	`Wikipedia went down this week. That was the last straw. >:(`
`22:34.47`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: a sniffer could probably help to find out`
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`22:35.22`	`Guerin`	`JordiGH: wtf`
`22:35.35`	`pelzi_`	`tarzeau: only difference between Win and *nix I can think of`
`22:35.36`	`Crissi`	`there must be something change last 2 weeks in unstable`
`22:35.41`	`Guerin`	`JordiGH: proxy won't fix it?`
`22:35.43`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Which one? It's very strange. All the packets for, say, debian.org (!?) timeout at the router.`
`22:35.44`	`Crissi`	`which let my system unstable`
`22:35.45`	`pelzi_`	`maybe a proxy`
`22:35.48`	`Guerin`	`Crissi: there are bags of changes in debian.`
`22:35.52`	`tarzeau`	`pelzi_: your imagination is very small then`
`22:35.55`	`Crissi`	`i know`
`22:35.58`	`Guerin`	`Crissi: file a bug against arts`
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`22:36.01`	`tarzeau`	`pelzi_: there's a whole lot more what can fail`
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`22:36.02`	`Crissi`	`but this bug is very nasty`
`22:36.18`	`pelzi_`	`tarzeau: well, ok, the net stacks are different...`
`22:36.19`	`Crissi`	`i'll look 1-2 days for that`
`22:36.24`	`Crissi`	`if its really artsd`
`22:36.28`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: really, it can be ANYTHING`
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`22:36.36`	`Crissi`	`and if i surely will file a bugreport for artsd`
`22:36.37`	`pelzi_`	`but that would need a badly broken router...`
`22:36.37`	`Guerin`	`Crissi: it is, because you changed that variable and it stopped happening`
`22:36.45`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: could you install ibackup and run sysconf and put the output online? as root?`
`22:36.53`	`Guerin`	`Crissi: in any case, the maintainer needs to look at the arts->sound driver interaction`
`22:37.01`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: It's not jost on this machine. It happens on every machine on this network that tries to use GNU/Linux.`
`22:37.15`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: I don't understand what you just asked me to do.`
`22:37.26`	`Guerin`	`JordiGH: it's the latest ms server2k3 patch on 'keeping the interweb safe from commie terrrists`
`22:37.29`	`Guerin`	`'`
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`22:37.32`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: apt-get install ibackup; sysconf > /var/www/myconfig.html`
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`22:38.04`	`tarzeau`	`Guerin: mwahaha, like we put 216.163.137.3 www.microsoft.com in our /etc/hosts ?`
`22:38.38`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Uh, you do realise I don't have admin powers in my network? Anyways, I'll try that.`
`22:38.43`	`Guerin`	`<heh>`
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`22:39.08`	`epsilon`	`na, just add the ip of linux`
`22:39.45`	`Guerin`	`epsilon: www.linux.com?`
`22:39.51`	`JordiGH`	`Sourceforge, Debian, Wikipedia. Blacklisted from Linux.`
`22:39.52`	`epsilon`	`whatever`
`22:39.53`	`brain2`	`->> /dev/hda3 109G 103G 145M 100% /home <<--- 6G should be free, but only 145M is. I have fsck'ed it without complaints. fs is ext3, and the free space DOES NOT increase in the same speed as I remove files. This is really strange. Any ideas?`
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`22:40.13`	`Guerin`	`brain2: 5% reserved for root`
`22:40.13`	`epsilon`	`JordiGH. are you in china sth?`
`22:40.17`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: www.gnu.org ? www.gnustep.org ?`
`22:40.35`	`brain2`	`Guerin: But the free space should still increase if I remove files. It doesn't`
`22:40.48`	`Guerin`	`brain2: how much did you remove?`
`22:40.50`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Both of those work.`
`22:40.51`	`lontra`	`anyone having problems with apt-listbugs not bringing in bug reports but spitting out errors?`
`22:40.52`	`brain2`	`Guerin: 1GB`
`22:41.07`	`JordiGH`	`Livejournal used to not work for months. Now it works again.`
`22:41.11`	`pelzi_`	`JordiGH: have you ruled out dns`
`22:41.26`	`Guerin`	`brain2: what does du -sh say?`
`22:41.33`	`brain2`	`Guerin: After that, I umounted, fsck'ed and mounted.`
`22:41.51`	`epsilon`	`JordiGH: host issue or filter-proxy somewhere?`
`22:41.52`	`petemc`	`!109/100*5`
`22:41.52`	`dpkg`	`5.45`
`22:42.34`	`brain2`	`Guerin: It also says 103G free`
`22:42.52`	`brain2`	`Guerin: sorrry.... free I meant`
`22:42.57`	`JordiGH`	`pelzi_: I think I have. Firefox gets as far as "debian.org contacted, waiting for reply..." and hangs there forever.`
`22:42.59`	`Guerin`	`brain2: ok. take a du or df -k reading, then delete something, then repeat`
`22:43.05`	`epsilon`	`use this as shell calc with decimals: awk "BEGIN { print $* ; }";`
`22:43.07`	`brain2`	`Guerin: used! tired ;-)`
`22:43.19`	`Guerin`	`brain2: if you don't see a change in the number of k in use, something's fucked`
`22:43.23`	`pelzi_`	`JordiGH: I'd suspect a bad router or transparent proxy then`
`22:43.29`	`pelzi_`	`JordiGH: try lowering your mtu`
`22:43.34`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`22:43.42`	`JordiGH`	`pelzi_: How?`
`22:43.51`	`Guerin`	`mtu wouldn't cause selective fuckups based on domain name`
`22:44.05`	`pelzi_`	`actually it can cause pretty weird things`
`22:44.16`	`pelzi_`	`if you have bad routes`
`22:44.17`	`Guerin`	`i'd blame some transparent proxying at ISP or router level`
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`22:44.41`	`pelzi_`	`well... how can that be different between *nix and windows?`
`22:44.42`	`epsilon`	`yeah, but .org filter?`
`22:44.48`	`epsilon`	`never heard`
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`22:44.58`	`pelzi_`	`Firefox is the same.`
`22:45.02`	`That`	`ok im being a idiot, how do you make a symlink? (thought it was cp -l)`
`22:45.06`	`Guerin`	`proxies can differentiate between clients`
`22:45.07`	`epsilon`	`ln`
`22:45.15`	`pelzi_`	`why would they`
`22:45.19`	`JordiGH`	`It's not a .org filter. Those are just the ones I notice. Sourceforge is .net and livejournal used to be .com`
`22:45.21`	`brain2`	`Guerin: hmmm.. Now I did a df -h, removed a 800MB file, and df'ed again. Now there's 800MB more free... So now it worked. Really strange (but good). I wonder where the firest 1GB i removed went ;-)`
`22:45.24`	`Guerin`	`that's a good question; but thay CAN`
`22:45.38`	`pelzi_`	`well, a proxy is pretty easy to rule out`
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`22:45.49`	`Guerin`	`brain2: should always use -k, it shows you more exactly what happen`
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`22:45.58`	`brain2`	`Guerin: thanks!`
`22:46.06`	`JordiGH`	`That: ln -s file symlink`
`22:46.07`	`nethenson`	`epsilon: filtering .org? of course, those .org people, willing to work without receiving money... they must be evil. If I were an ISP, i'd filter them! :p`
`22:46.42`	`Guerin`	`korea -> texas > www > texas > korea`
`22:46.52`	`Guerin`	`that stopped some shit from not working`
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`22:47.56`	`That`	`JordiGH, ty`
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`22:48.31`	`pelzi_`	`JordiGH: can you ping the broken hosts`
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`22:49.33`	`comfrey`	`hey all... i am having issues with ssh LocalForwards using sid.`
`22:49.44`	`comfrey`	`all of the sudden it stopped working for all hosts.`
`22:49.55`	`comfrey`	`channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 5904`
`22:49.59`	`comfrey`	`bind: Cannot assign requested address`
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`22:50.12`	`comfrey`	`any ideas? was something updated in the ssh_config?`
`22:50.13`	`JordiGH`	`pelzi_: no pong.`
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`22:50.41`	`pelzi_`	`can you ping anything at all ;)`
`22:51.06`	`JordiGH`	`pelzi_: No.`
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`22:51.52`	`JordiGH`	`Curiously enough, I don't get any pongs either from the OpenBSD server I ssh into to read those sites.`
`22:52.08`	`JordiGH`	`(I X-forward a Firefox from the OpenBSD server to read debian.org)`
`22:53.23`	`JordiGH`	`No, correction. I do get pongs from that server.`
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`22:53.35`	`pelzi_`	`mmh.`
`22:53.39`	`JordiGH`	`With 7.9% packet loss from google.ca`
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`22:53.59`	`^Ocean^`	`how do i add options to kernel modules that are auto-loaded at boot time ? for example when my computer starts it loads bttv but if i wanna use it, i have to sudo rmmod bttv then sudo modprobe bttv card=12 how can i make it so my kernel audo loads bttv with card=12 ?`
`22:53.59`	`pelzi_`	`I'd say it is a broken router`
`22:54.14`	`pelzi_`	`pings are small so it can't be an mtu problem really`
`22:54.37`	`JordiGH`	`pelzi_: Like I said, a tracert shows that everything timesout at the router.`
`22:54.45`	`pollywog`	`my psaux mouse is found under kernel 2.6.15 but not 2.6.16... what was broken? anyone know?`
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`22:55.08`	`JordiGH`	`What? They just changed something.`
`22:55.19`	`pollywog`	`maybe they changed something`
`22:55.26`	`JordiGH`	`Now all the traceroute outputs shows the same thing. One soek-est machine in the local network.`
`22:55.29`	`pollywog`	`I have googled and have not found it`
`22:55.54`	`JordiGH`	`Aha. They changed something! This is why my Wikipedia is now broken too! >:(`
`22:56.15`	`pelzi_`	`hmm. maybe it has to do with source ports.`
`22:56.37`	`pelzi_`	`I'd start Wiresharking a windows and *nix machine at that point`
`22:56.50`	`JordiGH`	`Wiresharking?`
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`22:57.05`	`comfrey`	`JordiGH: the new ethereal`
`22:57.25`	`GoAuLd`	`what's best sparse memory or flat memory? I'm compiling kernel`
`22:57.45`	`comfrey`	`what is the port issue people are discussing? i just arrived.`
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`22:58.35`	`Guerin`	`GoAuLd: if you have to ask, use the default`
`22:59.20`	`Guerin`	`pollywog: modprobe psmouse`
`22:59.40`	`JordiGH`	`comfrey: I can't see some websites from my network in Debian, although I can see them from Windows.`
`23:00.02`	`pollywog`	`Geurin: when this happened, I recompiled with mouse suppoort in kernel, so that will not work`
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`23:00.20`	`mrkris`	`oh hi`
`23:00.21`	`Guerin`	`pollywog: unless you use a debian-built kernel, we can't help`
`23:00.26`	`comfrey`	`JordiGH: do you have an actiontec router by chance?`
`23:00.33`	`pollywog`	`it is a debian kernel :)`
`23:00.39`	`myren`	`what packages are the Xorg M4 macros?`
`23:00.44`	`Guerin`	`pollywog: then modprobe psmouse`
`23:00.49`	`pollywog`	`k`
`23:00.51`	`myren`	`what packages are the Xorg M4 macros in?`
`23:00.53`	`gravity`	`myren: For what exactly?`
`23:00.59`	`JordiGH`	`comfrey: I don't know anything about my router. I'm not the admin of my network.`
`23:01.02`	`myren`	`building my dri driver`
`23:01.04`	`gravity`	`myren: You probably want the xutils-dev package`
`23:01.04`	`comfrey`	`JordiGH: edit your /etc/resolv.conf to read "nameserver 4.2.2.2"`
`23:01.07`	`pollywog`	`even if I recompiled it with mouse support in the kernel not a module?`
`23:01.08`	`gravity`	`myren: And the xserver-xorg-dev package`
`23:01.16`	`comfrey`	`JordiGH: see if that does it.`
`23:01.18`	`mrkris`	`I have an nvidia fx5200 card, trying to do dualhead, but scanpci only shows 1 device for nvidia, any idea how to get the other so i can get multihead setup?`
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`23:01.24`	`Guerin`	`pollywog: if you compiled it, then it's not a debian kernel`
`23:01.27`	`ttl-`	`hi`
`23:01.27`	`comfrey`	`JordiGH: sounds like a dns thing.`
`23:01.35`	`Guerin`	`pollywog: go and rebuild it properly this time, or use one someone competent built`
`23:01.46`	`JordiGH`	`comfrey: I don't think it's a DNS thing. Firefox hangs forever at "debian.org found, waiting for reply..."`
`23:01.46`	`ttl-`	`does anybody here use bacula for backups ?`
`23:01.55`	`Guerin`	`!anyone use bacula for backups ?`
`23:01.55`	`dpkg`	`No, no one uses bacula for backups, not even the people who use it.`
`23:01.56`	`pollywog`	`Guerin: no insults please, I know how to compile a kernel`
`23:01.58`	`myren`	`ttl-: its been on my todo list for three months`
`23:02.04`	`pollywog`	`and thanks for the help`
`23:02.09`	`Guerin`	`pollywog: but apparently not how to debug one.`
`23:02.21`	`pollywog`	`I misunderstood what you meant by debian built`
`23:02.22`	`JordiGH`	`comfrey: And all traceroutes end up at a soek-est server in the local network.`
`23:02.38`	`myren`	`mrkris: both heads share the same pci device`
`23:02.54`	`comfrey`	`JordiGH: hmm... odd routing.`
`23:02.54`	`myren`	`mrkris: you can usually ommit the pci bus info from /etc/X11/xorg.conf quite safely?`
`23:03.05`	`pollywog`	`Guerin: yeah I guess that is true`
`23:03.05`	`mrkris`	`myren: oh? so how would I go abouts doing dualhead on one device?`
`23:03.09`	`JordiGH`	`comfrey: With a single hop, by the way.`
`23:03.13`	`ttl-`	`myren: ok`
`23:03.34`	`pollywog`	`will keep working on it I will figure it out eventually`
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`23:03.38`	`ttl-`	`i'm just looking for a good network backup util`
`23:03.41`	`myren`	`mrkris: i just have to devices in xorg`
`23:03.50`	`myren`	`none specify a pci bus`
`23:03.53`	`Guerin`	`ttl-: i recommend rsnapshot over ssh`
`23:04.01`	`ttl-`	`i want to backup 4 winxp boxes on a linux box`
`23:04.03`	`mrkris`	`myren: ahhh, i'll try it out, brb thnx ;)`
`23:04.27`	`ttl-`	`the linux box running Debian of course`
`23:04.30`	`ttl-`	`:-)`
`23:05.12`	`ttl-`	`Guerin: ok thanks`
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`23:06.02`	`pollywog`	`JordiGH: sometimes activating a whining prtocol helps`
`23:06.30`	`JordiGH`	`pollywog: I hate the anti-Linux discrimination around here.`
`23:06.37`	`ttl-`	`Guerin: can rsnapshot make backups from windblows xp machines?`
`23:06.52`	`JordiGH`	`"Oh, it's Linux? Then we don't need to care about it, since nobody uses it. In fact, let's make it harder for them."`
`23:07.10`	`pelzi_`	`say it's a mac ;)`
`23:07.31`	`JordiGH`	`That's even rarer around here, because you can't illegally copy a Mac.`
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`23:07.38`	`JordiGH`	`And they're expensive.`
`23:07.43`	`pollywog`	`I wonder if it is a coincidence that one of the two guys in the Mac commercials looks like Bill Gates`
`23:07.47`	`ttl-`	`Guerin: i don't use windblows myself but at the office...`
`23:08.13`	`ttl-`	`pollywog: lol`
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`23:09.36`	`pollywog`	`what IRC client has the default exit message that says "My controlling terminal disappeared"?`
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`23:09.46`	`pollywog`	`I have seen it before someone else`
`23:10.00`	`pelzi_`	`google it? ctcp version them?`
`23:10.14`	`pollywog`	`I will google it`
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`23:10.35`	`nethenson`	`pollywog: i think it is bitchx`
`23:10.44`	`pollywog`	`ahh tnx`
`23:11.11`	`pelzi_`	`a bad word!`
`23:11.56`	`amphi`	`pollywog: doubt it - bitchx has much irritating quit messages`
`23:12.07`	`amphi`	`*much more`
`23:12.19`	`pollywog`	`yes I remember it once did`
`23:12.24`	`pelzi_`	`no no, ladyx`
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`23:19.01`	`pollywog`	`how do I get the newest stock Debian kernel appropriate for my system? just do apt-cache search and select one?`
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`23:20.10`	`mrkris`	`myren: didn't work`
`23:20.17`	`mrkris`	`myren: but i found this, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/65490-dual-monitor-but-opengl-stretches-game.html`
`23:20.32`	`mrkris`	`myren: now it's up and running great, no xinerama bs, no multiple devices, etc :D`
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`23:21.05`	`pollywog`	`I am surprised nobody said "Ubuntu is not Debian"`
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`23:23.02`	`jelly`	`ssmtp or nullmailer?`
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`23:24.30`	`pollywog`	`is it generally better to use stock kernels? I sometimes have trouble with apm or acpi stuff in them`
`23:25.19`	`valdyn`	`pollywog: no, stock kernels are easier to support`
`23:25.30`	`pollywog`	`ic`
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`23:26.13`	`pollywog`	`and I need to use Nvidia so I can't use the stock ones unless the modules are also available`
`23:27.02`	`valdyn`	`pollywog: you can use a stock kernel with nvidia drivers`
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`23:27.57`	`eml`	`Hi! I would need to know what the default password for mysql is after installation... I need to get my mysql installation up and running as soon as possible`
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`23:28.17`	`tuv`	`eml, root has no password by default`
`23:28.29`	`eml`	`tuv, Ok, thanks`
`23:29.12`	`pelzi_`	`imo it should generate a random one...`
`23:29.49`	`x_link`	`Hi valdyn !`
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`23:34.04`	`x_link`	`If I want help me formating/mounting a hdd, which channel should I ask for help inthen?`
`23:34.23`	`pollywog`	`so if I am running testing, what is the best way to get the latest stock kernel?`
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`23:34.44`	`pollywog`	`I can't seem to pick the right one that has the modules I need`
`23:34.54`	`pollywog`	`nvidia and fuse for example`
`23:35.00`	`h3sp4wn`	`pollywog: just build the modules after with module assistant`
`23:35.06`	`pollywog`	`oh okay`
`23:35.09`	`pollywog`	`thanks`
`23:35.19`	`roger21`	`hi what is the most basic software i need to read mails (except cat)`
`23:35.20`	`pollywog`	`that would be the easiest way`
`23:35.21`	`xittum`	`x_link: if its debian then just ask`
`23:35.28`	`x_link`	`Yes`
`23:35.35`	`x_link`	`I use Debian Testing.`
`23:35.48`	`x_link`	`I can see the hdd when I boot.`
`23:35.53`	`x_link`	`Maxtor etc.`
`23:36.01`	`x_link`	`But I need to format it and mount it.`
`23:36.13`	`x_link`	`Cause that 40GB hdd has Windows installed on it.`
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`23:36.58`	`xittum`	`x_link: go to pastebin.ca and paste the output of these commands run as root "fdisk -l" "cat /etc/fstab"`
`23:37.09`	`x_link`	`Okey`
`23:37.16`	`pollywog`	`I have been using Debian for about 7 or my 9 Linux years, since about the Hamm/Slink transition and I am still a newbie`
`23:37.25`	`xittum`	`x_link: and what do you want to format it as?`
`23:37.36`	`D0ug`	`I just installed the grub 0.95 package and installed it on my box. Now it dosen't open grub 0.95 it opens 0.91 without linux in the options (Only Windows)`
`23:37.42`	`x_link`	`xittum: I don't know ?`
`23:37.51`	`x_link`	`brb`
`23:37.51`	`D0ug`	`When I start up`
`23:37.54`	`x_link`	`5 min`
`23:37.57`	`D0ug`	`It only lets me boot Windows`
`23:38.02`	`xittum`	`x_link: you dont need that partition for anything with microsoft in it?`
`23:38.31`	`x_link`	`I don't want microsoft on it`
`23:38.36`	`x_link`	`I just want to format the whole thing`
`23:38.47`	`x_link`	`brb`
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`23:39.08`	`xittum`	`x_link: okay..you could take a look at gtparted (its in your package system)`
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`23:39.22`	`Digamma`	`I just installed the grub 0.95 package and installed it on my box. Now it dosen't open grub 0.95 it opens 0.91 without linux in the options (Only Windows)`
`23:39.25`	`xittum`	`x_link: ext3 is.. working fine !`
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`23:39.36`	`Digamma`	`How do I reinstall the 0.91 package`
`23:39.44`	`pollywog`	`putting MS on it is like putting ketchup on a donut but some ppl like ketchup on donuts`
`23:40.04`	`Digamma`	`lmao nice pollywod...`
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`23:40.42`	`simonrvn`	`pollywog: eeeeeew`
`23:40.49`	`xittum`	`x_link: qtparted is for partitioning.. then after the partition is done all you got to do is add it to fstab.. but i will shut up for now :)`
`23:41.16`	`*** join/#debian Digamma (i=somebody@bas2-kingston08-1167931098.dsl.bell.ca)`
`23:41.18`	`roger21`	`ok i was looking for mailx i guess`
`23:41.26`	`pollywog`	`Oh I am not one of them... but I like pickles in my peanut butter sandwiches`
`23:41.30`	`Guerin`	`hm, my mum just sent me the sams sms message five times, and is now not answering her phone`
`23:41.43`	`Guerin`	`she was supposed to be going bush over labour weekend`
`23:41.57`	`Guerin`	`ech, pickles and peanut butter`
`23:42.00`	`Guerin`	`that can't be right`
`23:42.01`	`pollywog`	`Tony Bush?`
`23:42.04`	`Digamma`	`how do you reinstall grub 0.91`
`23:42.23`	`Guerin`	`pollywog: I'll see your Tony BUsh and raise you a George Cheney`
`23:42.38`	`Guerin`	`Digamma: aptitude install grub`
`23:42.49`	`Digamma`	`ok`
`23:43.00`	`Digamma`	`Then My Main problem is not being able to BOOT linux`
`23:43.01`	`Digamma`	`sorry`
`23:43.06`	`Digamma`	`I cant boot my Box`
`23:43.10`	`Guerin`	`Digamma: what happen?`
`23:43.15`	`Digamma`	`It isn't in the grub list`
`23:43.22`	`Guerin`	`what isn't?`
`23:43.29`	`lontra`	`Digamma: grub-install dev/hd(c or a)`
`23:43.33`	`lontra`	`Digamma: update-grub`
`23:43.35`	`Xorm`	`Use a boot disc, reinstall from inside?`
`23:43.52`	`Guerin`	`you can also boot manually, I just forget how`
`23:44.01`	`*** join/#debian naxalite (n=afsfasdf@h-68-164-36-85.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net)`
`23:44.03`	`naxalite`	`hi`
`23:44.11`	`Xorm`	`You use a floppy or cd with a bootloader on it`
`23:44.18`	`naxalite`	`anyone with lvm? And that has root in LVM partition?`
`23:44.20`	`Digamma`	`I upgraded to grub 0.95 and my box isn't in the boot menu`
`23:44.24`	`naxalite`	`I need help in doing this`
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`23:44.33`	`Guerin`	`your box should never be in the boot menu`
`23:44.45`	`Digamma`	`I know`
`23:44.46`	`Guerin`	`naxalite: if you need help, you shouldn't be doing it`
`23:44.47`	`Digamma`	`I know`
`23:44.52`	`Digamma`	`I mean my Distro`
`23:44.53`	`Guerin`	`naxalite: root on lvm is stupid.`
`23:44.56`	`pollywog`	`I don't even know what that means`
`23:45.00`	`anabain`	`how can I search for a file and sort the output by date of creation?`
`23:45.13`	`pollywog`	`my box is not in the boot menu?`
`23:45.16`	`Guerin`	`Digamma: so do what they told you; don't try to revert to the old version until you know what's wrong`
`23:45.18`	`naxalite`	`Guerin why stupid?`
`23:45.26`	`Guerin`	`anabain: man find`
`23:45.41`	`Guerin`	`naxalite: because it's a major pain in the arse to get working, and buys you nothing`
`23:45.45`	`Digamma`	`I used the super grub disk`
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`23:45.50`	`Digamma`	`I couldn't boot linux`
`23:46.17`	`Guerin`	`naxalite: other things, like storage, or home, etc on lvm I can understand`
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`23:46.41`	`anabain`	`Guerin, I've read it, but cannot figure how could I perform the search...`
`23:46.46`	`Guerin`	`naxalite: but you should be SEPARATING partitions for root, not combining them`
`23:46.47`	`naxalite`	`then I am ...`
`23:47.10`	`pollywog`	`do people scan IRC for addresses to spam?`
`23:47.19`	`Guerin`	`pollywog: yes.`
`23:47.20`	`Digamma`	`I know that when I upgraded the package for GRUB from 0.91 to 0.95 my comp loads the old version of grub but dosent allow me to access linux`
`23:47.25`	`*** join/#debian peacenik (n=chatzill@142-217-213-49.telebecinternet.net)`
`23:47.25`	`jelly`	`anabain: start from this, a simple search in current directory: find . -name 'this-file'`
`23:47.28`	`pollywog`	`oh that would explain it`
`23:47.44`	`Digamma`	`can anyone help me NOW?`
`23:48.01`	`Guerin`	`pollywog: i set up greylisting on my mail server two days ago, and spam has reduced by more than 90%`
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`23:48.19`	`pollywog`	`Postfix?`
`23:48.22`	`naxalite`	`so I can conclude that now one here is willing to help me with lvm and grub and root partition right?`
`23:48.43`	`Guerin`	`Digamma: you've been told what to do. Boot a rescue disk, chroot, run grub-install /dev/hdx && update-grub`
`23:48.45`	`jelly`	`Guerin: how much delay, deafult 5 minutes or less?`
`23:48.48`	`kanedaddy`	`sup?`
`23:48.49`	`Ragnaroek`	`hey`
`23:48.50`	`naxalite`	`because I saw one post that a Debian developer HAD root in lvm`
`23:48.50`	`isofunk`	`hello`
`23:48.56`	`Ragnaroek`	`I'll soon find out`
`23:48.56`	`isofunk`	`I'll find out`
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`23:49.01`	`Guerin`	`jelly: default 5 minutes; I set mine to 1 minute`
`23:49.03`	`kanedaddy`	`dunno`
`23:49.09`	`pollywog`	`I will have to find out how to do greylisting... I use Postfix`
`23:49.24`	`Guerin`	`jelly: the actual delay is up to the remote server, however, and ranges from 2-20 minutes, for the first mail only`
`23:49.27`	`pollywog`	`I don't think the Book of Postfix mentions it though`
`23:49.32`	`*** join/#debian dvs (n=cwv@cwv.teksavvy.com)`
`23:49.33`	`Guerin`	`jelly: once it accepts one it whitelists the host`
`23:49.34`	`pollywog`	`I will check later`
`23:49.47`	`Guerin`	`pollywog: aptitude install postgrey`
`23:50.09`	`jelly`	`Guerin: I was thinking of tweaking to just below 1 minute on account that real servers retry after at least one minute, and to minimize the delay.`
`23:50.10`	`pollywog`	`yes I have the package, I need to read up on how to set it up on Postfix`
`23:50.46`	`jelly`	`Guerin: waiting 5 minutes for something that used to be "instantaneous" is a bit unnerving.`
`23:50.53`	`Guerin`	`pollywog: then add something like check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:60000 to smtpd_recipient_restrictions`
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`23:51.04`	`Guerin`	`jelly: it's ONE message per smtp host`
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`23:51.22`	`Digamma`	`thanks I'll do that tommorow`
`23:51.23`	`pollywog`	`I use Spamassassin but it is not enough, pretty good though, stops most of the spam`
`23:51.32`	`jelly`	`Guerin: but it's always my message. ;-)`
`23:51.36`	`Guerin`	`well, postgrey will mean spamassassin has nothing to do`
`23:51.40`	`Guerin`	`jelly: heh.`
`23:52.50`	`Guerin`	`oh, wait`
`23:53.08`	`Guerin`	`it's one message per smtp host/email address combination I think`
`23:53.46`	`pollywog`	`oh it might be under greylisting and I probably did not look there`
`23:53.49`	`jelly`	`Guerin: that's more like what I've seen, sending ip/recipient email as hash key.`
`23:54.00`	`*** join/#debian zzz2496 (n=zzz2496@azureus/zzz2496)`
`23:54.19`	`Guerin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:54.19`	`Guerin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:54.20`	`Guerin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:54.38`	`Guerin`	`http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/whitepaper.html is the skinny`
`23:54.42`	`Bushmills`	`jelly, tweaking doesn't make much sense, as the sending server determines when it is going to retry`
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`23:54.58`	`*** part/#debian zzz2496 (n=zzz2496@azureus/zzz2496)`
`23:55.14`	`Guerin`	`Bushmills: yeah, changing the greylist timeout down just allows the remote mta to try again sooner`
`23:55.17`	`jelly`	`Bushmills: I'd like to know a minimal but effective enough delay.`
`23:55.21`	`Guerin`	`but only if it wants to`
`23:55.22`	`Bushmills`	`between 10...30 min are the most common periods`
`23:55.30`	`Guerin`	`jelly: you have no control over the delay.`
`23:55.33`	`Guerin`	`none`
`23:55.35`	`petemc`	`i use one minute`
`23:55.42`	`petemc`	`its not as effective as it was`
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`23:56.04`	`Guerin`	`!greylisting is also see http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/whitepaper.html for the skinny, or apt-get install postgrey (for postfix)`
`23:56.05`	`dpkg`	`okay, Guerin`
`23:56.08`	`petemc`	`(greylisting, not a one minute deferal)`
`23:56.12`	`jelly`	`Guerin: I know, the remote smtp is a black box. But there's statistics.`
`23:56.40`	`Guerin`	`petemc: i've had one spam in two days; my wife has had about 3`
`23:56.48`	`Guerin`	`this is down from 50-200 per day`
`23:56.58`	`petemc`	`not bad`
`23:57.20`	`petemc`	`it certainly helps, but like i say, its not as effective as it was initially`
`23:57.32`	`petemc`	`the spammers are more likely to retry now`
`23:57.39`	`Guerin`	`the other users haven't even noticed, except to ask if the server's still working because they're not gettying any spam`
`23:57.53`	`pollywog`	`Oh I can't use greylisting because my new ISP blocks incoming port 25 and I have all mail sent to me by the same mailhost on another port`
`23:58.08`	`Guerin`	`petemc: but it makes each spam about 3x as expensive, in resource terms`
`23:58.15`	`pollywog`	`I forgot aboutt that`
`23:58.25`	`petemc`	`Guerin: im not arguing against it :)`
`23:58.37`	`Guerin`	`yeah, I know.`
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`23:59.01`	`Guerin`	`my thing is, even if it doesn't block spam, eventually, it still costs us much less than it costs them`
`23:59.07`	`Guerin`	`and that's a goodness`
`23:59.25`	`pollywog`	`I was loooking into something called mailagent but I am not sure it will work with IMAP`
`23:59.57`	`pollywog`	`I use Procmail now which happily works with IMAP`

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