| 00:01.37 | *** join/#debian elias_ (n=elias@chello062178032026.11.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 00:06.29 | *** join/#debian userdefined (n=userdefi@cpe-24-169-138-231.rochester.res.rr.com) |
| 00:07.09 | *** part/#debian Aleks (n=Alex@157.100.190.214) |
| 00:07.29 | *** join/#debian reZo (n=reZo@124.197.16.42) |
| 00:07.55 | *** join/#debian Bombo_ (i=bombo@dslb-084-060-212-098.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:08.07 | *** part/#debian crazyjimbo (n=james@88-108-181-93.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 00:09.58 | *** join/#debian JeffH (i=user@c-67-177-240-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 00:10.09 | JeffH | what version of postgresql is in testing? |
| 00:10.34 | *** join/#debian Guerin (n=lewis@65.99.196.149) |
| 00:10.34 | streuner | !info postgresql testing |
| 00:10.45 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database management system (transitional)), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.5.21 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 00:10.57 | JeffH | thanks. |
| 00:10.58 | *** join/#debian dansushi (n=dan@c-66-30-178-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:11.06 | Guerin | woo, irssi just crashed |
| 00:11.16 | dvs | Guerin: we could tell. |
| 00:11.18 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:11.20 | streuner | your connection sucks |
| 00:11.21 | Guerin | oh |
| 00:11.25 | Guerin | what happened?> |
| 00:11.33 | dvs | <-- Guerin has quit ("Lost terminal") |
| 00:11.36 | Guerin | no, my connection was fine |
| 00:11.38 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 00:11.53 | Guerin | just irssi froze up and I had to kill the screen it was in |
| 00:12.00 | streuner | dvs> <-- Guerin has quit ("Lost terminal") |
| 00:12.17 | dvs | huh? |
| 00:12.36 | *** join/#debian dansushi[server] (n=dan@c-66-30-178-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:12.42 | streuner | * Guerin hat die Verbindung getrennt ("Lost terminal") |
| 00:13.02 | Guerin | not "terminal geloscht"? |
| 00:13.07 | simonrvn | Lost terminal != connection reset by peer |
| 00:13.31 | streuner | yeah |
| 00:13.43 | streuner | heh |
| 00:13.53 | streuner | !shOp |
| 00:15.01 | streuner | Guerin: what simonrvn means is, the connection didn't got lost, usually the connection was droped by the user himselfs... |
| 00:15.32 | *** join/#debian brain2 (n=brain@vaxjo4.135.cust.blixtvik.net) |
| 00:16.04 | streuner | Connections reset by peer means, user had no influence to the things, but in this case it means rather *you* dropped the connection |
| 00:16.16 | *** join/#debian Ugly_Duck (n=ugly_duc@ip-58-28-149-225.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 00:16.27 | streuner | whatever you did |
| 00:16.32 | simonrvn | no, it means the terminal irssi was sitting in was lost. exactly what it says |
| 00:16.57 | *** join/#debian Pons (n=pons@unaffiliated/pons) |
| 00:17.34 | JeffH | So Etch won't have postgresql 8.x? |
| 00:17.46 | streuner | according to the bot? |
| 00:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 691] by debhelper |
| 00:18.04 | streuner | !info postgresql |
| 00:18.11 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database management system (transitional)), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.5.21 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 00:18.17 | streuner | hm |
| 00:18.26 | dvs | !info postgresql-8.1 |
| 00:18.33 | dpkg | postgresql-8.1: (object-relational SQL database, version 8.1 server), section misc, is optional. Version: 8.1.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4250 kB, Installed size: 12420 kB |
| 00:18.51 | deadcat | gravity: this is the error i get when i run compiz: Window manager warning: Failed to read theme from file /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml: Failed to open file '/usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml', but i dont use Clearlooks anymore. i have removed all the .gnome* .gconf* .gtk* files in the home dir.. |
| 00:18.51 | streuner | ok, ask the bot for testing then |
| 00:19.20 | gravity | deadcat: Report it to the BTS |
| 00:19.40 | *** join/#debian kyuss (n=kyuss@longview-cuda1-g2-70-36-114-21.losaca.adelphia.net) |
| 00:20.03 | deadcat | gravity: oh.. in the mean time what do i do? change to diff theme in gnome? |
| 00:20.07 | *** join/#debian Gnomer__ (i=Gnomer@c-68-63-246-172.hsd1.ky.comcast.net) |
| 00:20.30 | gravity | deadcat: Sure |
| 00:20.32 | gravity | I don't kow |
| 00:20.42 | *** join/#debian waspius (n=waspius@82-44-144-193.cable.ubr01.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 00:22.52 | *** join/#debian mentor (n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor) |
| 00:23.42 | *** join/#debian stojic (n=stojic@83-131-36-139.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 00:23.50 | *** part/#debian stojic (n=stojic@83-131-36-139.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 00:24.22 | *** join/#debian lavi (n=lavi@221.226.103.140) |
| 00:24.24 | jelly | gravity: should I report breakage of a 3rd party binary X app. in etch to somebody? vmware gui doesn't want to work. I'm not sure whether it's ABI breakage or it assumes X being in /usr/X11R6. The thing brings own .so libs and LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and dlopens() some more. |
| 00:24.46 | deadcat | gravity: i changed all the themes containing clearlooks and its working now.. |
| 00:24.51 | gravity | jelly: Report it to the third party |
| 00:25.00 | *** join/#debian cunzhang (n=cunzhang@218.7.43.198) |
| 00:26.04 | cunzhang | hi,why I can't find KDE hal-device-manager? |
| 00:26.09 | *** join/#debian Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 00:26.27 | gravity | jelly: What app is it? Is it mathematica? |
| 00:27.01 | jelly | gravity: vmware. |
| 00:27.03 | *** part/#debian brain2 (n=brain@vaxjo4.135.cust.blixtvik.net) |
| 00:27.19 | gravity | jelly: Ah, yeah. Report it to vmware. |
| 00:27.27 | jelly | gravity: will do |
| 00:27.55 | gravity | methematica is known to be broken currently (I think only with aiglx though) but everything else should work |
| 00:28.50 | Guerin | cunzhang: either: 1. it doesn't exist or 2. you're not looking in the right place |
| 00:30.06 | cunzhang | Guerin,I google and find kde-hal-device-manger,but in debian sid I just find hal-device-manger dependent on Gnome lib |
| 00:31.05 | jelly | gravity: this one is rather ugly, brings own gtk/glib/gdk/glade, gnomecanvas, pango, libsexy ;-) and has a 10KB wrapper to set up LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Upon running, it dlopens() libhal and libdbus-something. Against all odds, this actually worked up to xorg 6.9... ;-) |
| 00:31.40 | Guerin | cunzhang: #debian-kde might know/care |
| 00:31.53 | cunzhang | Guerin, thank u! |
| 00:32.07 | Guerin | ur welcum lol |
| 00:32.16 | cunzhang | :) |
| 00:35.31 | *** join/#debian freeone3000 (n=james@64-193-216-210.wco.clearwire-dns.net) |
| 00:35.45 | *** part/#debian freeone3000 (n=james@64-193-216-210.wco.clearwire-dns.net) |
| 00:37.02 | *** join/#debian delire (n=delire@p54BE631D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:39.16 | Eke | !tar.bz2 |
| 00:39.17 | dpkg | tar --bzip2 -xvf file.tar.bz2 |
| 00:40.39 | *** join/#debian dockane (n=dockane@p5084F0A8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:42.37 | *** join/#debian jcwong (n=catalyst@unaffiliated/jcwong) |
| 00:43.07 | dockane | hi all... i am looking for kernel-headers packet (sarge, 2.6.12-1-686). shouldn´t it be kernel-source-2.6.12 ? |
| 00:43.27 | dvs | dockane: kernel-headers-2.6.12 |
| 00:43.56 | Guerin | the source contains the headers, but is overkill |
| 00:44.13 | Guerin | but sarge doesn't have 2.6.12, so you're either making shit up or aren't using sarge |
| 00:44.20 | dockane | dvs: not found. (with out-of-box sources.list) |
| 00:45.04 | dockane | Guerin: there is "Debian Sarge" is big lettern on the dvd |
| 00:45.05 | *** join/#debian odla_ (n=chatzill@ursus.biology.ualberta.ca) |
| 00:45.12 | dockane | s/is/in |
| 00:45.30 | *** join/#debian timday (n=timday@bottlenose.demon.co.uk) |
| 00:45.30 | dvs | dockane: but Guerin's right. Sarge doesn't have 2.6.12 |
| 00:45.31 | Guerin | dockane: fact: sarge shipped with 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 00:45.52 | dockane | strange |
| 00:46.04 | Guerin | dockane: afaik, all the kernels after sarge have been linux-* instead of kernel-*, so that might be a place to start searching |
| 00:49.29 | dockane | all i can find is 2.6.8 related.. why is there 2.6.12 installed. i have to find out |
| 00:50.18 | dvs | dockane: custom compile? backports.org? |
| 00:51.33 | dockane | dvs: right.. maybe the install medium is odd. no backports involved, afaik |
| 00:51.41 | *** join/#debian jcreigh (n=jason@72-160-50-160.dyn.centurytel.net) |
| 00:52.18 | dockane | Debian 3.1 Sarge, revision 1 |
| 00:52.31 | dvs | dockane: not with that kernel |
| 00:53.11 | dockane | is there a way to identify the source of the kernel? |
| 00:53.28 | jelly | could be a custom built/burnt dvd. |
| 00:53.30 | phogg | dockane: uname -a |
| 00:53.55 | phogg | (not a very good way) |
| 00:54.36 | litage | does `ls -l` display file mtime? |
| 00:54.45 | dockane | isnt it insane to master a dvd with 3.1r1 and then custum it to 2.6.12 ? |
| 00:54.58 | dockane | litage: yes |
| 00:55.17 | jelly | Maybe the builder put his name or email in the kernel-image-* changelog. |
| 00:55.32 | litage | thanks dockane |
| 00:56.36 | *** join/#debian pollywog (n=pollywog@69-12-173-117.static.humboldt1.com) |
| 00:56.41 | jelly | dockane: it's not. For example, you could need drivers to install to a disk controller not supported in 2.6.8. |
| 00:57.19 | pollywog | I installed 2.6.16-2-xen-vserver-686 but I do not see it in GRUB I only see the other kernel there |
| 00:57.22 | jelly | dockane: the image may well have been built when 2.6.12 was new. |
| 00:57.29 | dockane | the dvd is from the german "linuxtag 2006" conference |
| 00:57.35 | pollywog | is there something I have to do to GRUB? |
| 00:57.49 | h3sp4wn | pollywog: On etch or sarge ? |
| 00:57.54 | pollywog | Etch |
| 00:57.56 | jelly | dockane: they did it! :-) |
| 00:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 684] by debhelper |
| 00:58.10 | *** join/#debian jcreigh_ (n=jason@72-160-56-220.dyn.centurytel.net) |
| 00:58.16 | pollywog | I have not installed a stock kernel before |
| 00:58.21 | odla | you could try update-grub |
| 00:58.21 | h3sp4wn | pollywog: Did it pull in the hypervisor as a dependancy ? (I have never used xen-vserveer) |
| 00:58.23 | pollywog | only custom kernels |
| 00:58.38 | pollywog | hypervisor? |
| 00:58.49 | pollywog | no |
| 00:58.53 | pollywog | it didn't |
| 00:58.59 | jelly | pollywog: maybe run update-grub? |
| 00:59.00 | *** join/#debian cb (n=cb@pD9E03842.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 00:59.04 | pollywog | just a modules package |
| 00:59.08 | pollywog | I ran it |
| 00:59.09 | h3sp4wn | pollywog: Are you trying to run xen ? |
| 00:59.16 | pollywog | yes |
| 00:59.18 | h3sp4wn | pollywog: Or xen and vserver ? |
| 00:59.26 | pollywog | maybe I got the wrong package |
| 00:59.34 | pollywog | xen and vserver |
| 00:59.41 | pollywog | I have a Celeron P4 |
| 00:59.51 | h3sp4wn | Why do you need both ? |
| 00:59.54 | *** part/#debian userdefined (n=userdefi@cpe-24-169-138-231.rochester.res.rr.com) |
| 01:00.19 | *** join/#debian administrator__ (i=administ@nat/cisco/x-76c3c3936dc37c02) |
| 01:00.19 | pollywog | oh I guess I made a mistake |
| 01:00.38 | pollywog | I have a Celeron P4 so which Linhux kernel image should I get? |
| 01:00.41 | *** join/#debian khermans (i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-95e515f7f47a9827) |
| 01:00.48 | odla | 686 |
| 01:00.52 | h3sp4wn | pollywog: Do you want to run multiple virtual machines ? |
| 01:01.05 | pollywog | no virtuals |
| 01:01.15 | odla | pollywog: get the 686 image |
| 01:01.20 | pollywog | tnx |
| 01:01.51 | *** join/#debian Angel-SL (n=angelsl@pdpc/supporter/student/Angel-SL) |
| 01:01.58 | h3sp4wn | pollywog: 2.6.17 is the newest in etch at the moment I think |
| 01:02.26 | pollywog | h3sp4wn: I thought so, for Etch at least |
| 01:02.46 | h3sp4wn | pollywog: get linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 (unless you want xen) |
| 01:02.47 | pollywog | I think there is a 2.6.18 but not sure it is in Etch |
| 01:02.55 | pollywog | tnx |
| 01:03.35 | dockane | the changelog in /usr/share/doc/kernel-image-2.6-686/ starts with "linux-2.6 (2.6.12-10) unstable; urgency=high". so that the proof, the took an unstable kernel and packaged it with debian 3.1 |
| 01:04.16 | odla | dockane: how did you get a 2.6.12 kernel in sarge? you should only be able to get 2.6.8 via apt-get |
| 01:04.33 | dockane | odla: i got it with a "special" install medium |
| 01:04.52 | *** join/#debian hxizan (n=hxizan@125.234.243.32) |
| 01:04.55 | odla | what's the 'special' install medium? a knoppix cd? |
| 01:05.28 | dockane | odla: nope... a give-away DVD from a german linux conference |
| 01:05.34 | *** join/#debian cunzhang (n=cunzhang@218.7.43.198) |
| 01:05.36 | odla | ah |
| 01:05.47 | h3sp4wn | pollywog: maybe you want linux-image-2.6-686 (also meta package pointing to latest 686 kernel) |
| 01:06.04 | *** join/#debian bier__ (n=bier@pD9E2C08B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:06.05 | Guerin | dockane: bah |
| 01:06.18 | Guerin | dockane: it's probably a fuckup based on knoppix or something |
| 01:06.20 | pollywog | h3sp4wn: tnx |
| 01:06.21 | cunzhang | I have installed pmount dbus and hal,why my system:/media is empty? |
| 01:06.40 | dockane | Guerin: the live part of the dvd i grml (.org) |
| 01:06.44 | cunzhang | And hal,dbus is running |
| 01:06.46 | dockane | s/i/is |
| 01:06.48 | *** join/#debian thingfish (n=mark@dialup-4.245.41.154.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 01:07.22 | dockane | some text tool fetish live distributino for sysadmins |
| 01:07.48 | *** join/#debian zamuro (n=dies_ira@190.37.2.196) |
| 01:09.07 | *** join/#debian cougar` (n=Rick@c-68-45-214-101.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 01:09.10 | *** join/#debian aao_pwner (n=aao_pwne@c-24-21-91-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 01:09.58 | cunzhang | Should I install another packages ? |
| 01:10.32 | h3sp4wn | dockane: grml is more useful than most live cd's |
| 01:10.33 | odla | cunzhang: are you running testing? |
| 01:10.41 | cunzhang | odla,sid |
| 01:11.17 | *** join/#debian wInDrAnZeR (n=diego@200.121.138.58) |
| 01:11.17 | odla | cunzhang: and you have kde-core installed? |
| 01:11.17 | xittum | udev? |
| 01:11.18 | *** join/#debian khaije1 (n=khaije1@unaffiliated/khaije1) |
| 01:11.18 | dockane | h3sp4wn: yeah.. i liked the last release and "stole" a lot of configs from there |
| 01:11.18 | cunzhang | odla, now I am in KDE desktop |
| 01:11.18 | wInDrAnZeR | join #debian-es |
| 01:11.22 | odla | cunzhang: how did you install it? |
| 01:11.32 | cunzhang | xittum, udev yes |
| 01:11.44 | *** join/#debian my007ms (n=my007ms@196.202.53.159) |
| 01:11.49 | cunzhang | odla, I install sid via debootstrap |
| 01:11.58 | roger21 | cool |
| 01:12.02 | *** join/#debian jugglinx (n=jugglinx@host56.200-117-129.telecom.net.ar) |
| 01:12.09 | roger21 | ebian from scratch \o/ |
| 01:12.11 | odla | cunzhang: well i did was install the kde-core metapackage and everything worked fine with me for mounting. try aptitude install kde-core |
| 01:12.14 | roger21 | d |
| 01:13.06 | cunzhang | odla, I have installed it.And now I'm working in KDE |
| 01:13.17 | xittum | ahh core is even smaller than base... thanks odla :) |
| 01:13.47 | xittum | ahh no.. :-( |
| 01:13.48 | *** join/#debian jcreigh (n=jason@72-160-56-220.dyn.centurytel.net) |
| 01:13.57 | odla | oh did i mean kde-base? |
| 01:13.59 | odla | maybe |
| 01:14.01 | odla | :/ |
| 01:14.18 | cunzhang | odla, kde-base also installed |
| 01:15.49 | odla | cunzhang: try apt-get remove kde-base && aptitude install kde-base |
| 01:15.55 | odla | and see if that installs the additional packages |
| 01:16.21 | cunzhang | odla, OK |
| 01:16.35 | pollywog | something must have changed in the way psmouse is set up between kernels 2.6.15 and the next kernel |
| 01:17.04 | *** join/#debian FrFluffyBottom (n=fingerba@87-194-48-114.bethere.co.uk) |
| 01:17.14 | pollywog | even with the stock kernel I do not see /dev/psaux |
| 01:17.24 | pollywog | firing up m-a now |
| 01:18.31 | h3sp4wn | pollywog: have you dist-upgraded recently (upgrading from when 2.6.15 was in testing to 2.6.17 would need new udev - maybe othe stuff) |
| 01:19.10 | *** join/#debian cunzhang (n=cunzhang@218.7.43.198) |
| 01:19.38 | pollywog | I did an upgrade recently but I will give that a shot |
| 01:19.38 | *** join/#debian CaT[tm] (n=cat@CPE-144-136-108-26.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 01:19.57 | cunzhang | remove kde-core and kdebase ,then just install kdebase not kde-core |
| 01:20.03 | pollywog | my older custom kernel which I built yesterday sees the mouse no problem |
| 01:20.14 | CaT[tm] | is there a utility that'll examine two dirs and tell me what files differ between them? I just want the filenames, not the points in the files where they may differ. |
| 01:20.18 | *** join/#debian idealm (n=ideal@222.66.106.154) |
| 01:20.21 | *** join/#debian Inazad (n=inazad@c66.203.216-45.clta.globetrotter.net) |
| 01:20.33 | odla | cunzhang: kde-core |
| 01:20.44 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: for and md5sum |
| 01:20.50 | CaT[tm] | ow |
| 01:20.58 | cunzhang | odla, let me try it |
| 01:21.00 | CaT[tm] | I was hoping for something less... bludgeony :) |
| 01:21.04 | Guerin | there's probably a less insane way |
| 01:21.08 | pollywog | m-a cannot find the nvidia sources it needs |
| 01:21.15 | CaT[tm] | guerin: I |
| 01:21.19 | CaT[tm] | guerin: I'm hoping for one :) |
| 01:21.50 | pollywog | oh I think I know what the problem is, I have to get them manually |
| 01:22.05 | *** join/#debian dondek (n=dondek@210.205.119.100) |
| 01:22.12 | odla | you use apt-get and not aptitude? |
| 01:22.14 | odla | !moo |
| 01:22.14 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:22.34 | CaT[tm] | guerin: diff would be perfect for this, but it insists on giving me the content stuff which, when binary files are involved, gets ugly. |
| 01:22.35 | pollywog | it will contribute to global warming |
| 01:22.42 | *** join/#debian cunzhang (n=cunzhang@218.7.43.198) |
| 01:22.44 | *** join/#debian flashnet (i=flashnet@Darkstar.AceShells.com) |
| 01:22.51 | cunzhang | odla, nothing is good |
| 01:23.00 | cunzhang | odla, still can't |
| 01:23.08 | odla | hrm...i don't know why automounting isn't working |
| 01:23.25 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: diff and grep might be able to do it |
| 01:23.27 | odla | it just worked here...so i'm confused |
| 01:23.32 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: but I'm sure there is a sane way |
| 01:23.32 | cunzhang | odla, thank you for helpingme |
| 01:23.39 | Guerin | i'm just too lazy to look it up |
| 01:23.40 | odla | cunzhang: you could try #kde too |
| 01:23.55 | not_benh | hello all |
| 01:23.55 | *** join/#debian jcwong (n=catalyst@unaffiliated/jcwong) |
| 01:23.57 | cunzhang | odla, :) thank you |
| 01:24.00 | cunzhang | hi |
| 01:24.00 | CaT[tm] | guerin: I've not found one yet. :/ I could be suffering from a mild case of selective blindness when I look though |
| 01:24.02 | odla | cunzhang: or even kubuntu maybe |
| 01:24.03 | *** join/#debian friederich09 (n=friederi@201-43-248-231.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 01:24.05 | odla | np |
| 01:24.35 | *** join/#debian FrFluffyBottom (n=fingerba@87-194-48-114.bethere.co.uk) |
| 01:24.50 | friederich09 | i'm using a debian distro. is there any way to get the benefits from the suspend2 through any .deb, or through any apt-get install lib_or_package? |
| 01:25.07 | dockane | i added vga=791 to the kernel line of menue.lst to get a smaller font size on my thinkpad display. is there a way, to change this "on the fly"? (no x server installed yet) |
| 01:25.10 | Gnurdux | a debian distro? |
| 01:25.16 | not_benh | I was using a freinds ubuntu box and it had the ability to tab complete flags for commands ie 'ls [TAB][TAB] would list out all things like -l -a ...' is that a package that debian tracks or is that a ubuntu specific thing? |
| 01:25.20 | Gnurdux | this isn't the channel for debian-based distros |
| 01:25.48 | Gnurdux | not_benh, thats for any distro |
| 01:25.58 | Gnurdux | its part of bash, the standard shell used on Linux |
| 01:26.24 | phogg | not_benh: wrong channel. But also, google bash completion |
| 01:26.25 | friederich09 | i meant debian-based distro, sorry. thanks. |
| 01:26.38 | not_benh | Gnurdux: cool thanks |
| 01:26.45 | Gnurdux | friederich09, its NOT |
| 01:26.47 | not_benh | phogg: sounds like a plan thanks |
| 01:26.54 | *** join/#debian master_of_master (n=master_o@p85.212.159.3.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 01:26.55 | Gnurdux | read the topic: this is NOT #ubuntu |
| 01:27.03 | Gnurdux | same applies to knoppix etc |
| 01:27.10 | odla | dude he asked if it was a debian thinkg |
| 01:27.18 | *** join/#debian saftsack (n=oliver@p54A7F0E9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:27.27 | pollywog | I do not see an nvidia kernel module package for linux-image-2.6.17 |
| 01:27.37 | Gnurdux | not_benh, no need to google, it should just work |
| 01:27.43 | Gnurdux | for any distro |
| 01:27.50 | Gnurdux | i know first-hand it works on debian |
| 01:27.51 | roger21 | suspend2 need a hand made patched kernel (a pain in the ass to do) |
| 01:27.54 | pollywog | I thought m-a would get the packages |
| 01:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 691] by debhelper |
| 01:28.14 | *** join/#debian Mnabil (n=Mnabil@82.201.178.158) |
| 01:28.21 | CaT[tm] | not_ben: man bash, look up completion. |
| 01:28.29 | roger21 | btw it wood be great if debian would make a suspend2 kernel |
| 01:28.55 | Guerin | roger21: the suspend2 author is working hard on getting the code into the mainline kernel |
| 01:29.04 | not_benh | CaT[tm]: cool thanks |
| 01:29.08 | phogg | fancy bash completion, like for options and stuff, is disabled in Debian by default. It can screw with globbing, sometimes. |
| 01:29.18 | Guerin | roger21: and also on building debian kernel patches for it - see nigelc in #suspend2 |
| 01:29.32 | roger21 | Guerin, ok good news |
| 01:29.42 | Guerin | or at least he was talking about it a couple weeks ago when I asked about it |
| 01:29.43 | roger21 | i didn't know at all |
| 01:29.50 | roger21 | erf |
| 01:30.29 | pollywog | it appears that there are nvidia sources for kernel 2.6.15 only |
| 01:30.48 | pollywog | but I had no trouble compiling that kernel and modules myself |
| 01:30.52 | *** join/#debian SHS` (i=SHS_@phpbb/manager/SHS) |
| 01:30.57 | not_benh | phogg: ? with gobbling ? |
| 01:31.09 | pollywog | gobbling or globbing? |
| 01:31.22 | pollywog | I do not see turkeys |
| 01:31.23 | CaT[tm] | hmmm. cranbrries |
| 01:31.59 | pollywog | there we go, now m-a is getting the fuse source :) |
| 01:32.22 | phogg | not_benh: ls ~/*bar<tab> expands to ~/foobar when I have the fancy stuff off, but does nothing when it's on. I expect it's getting caught up in complexity and bailing out |
| 01:32.26 | not_benh | pollywog: oop I guess globbing |
| 01:32.46 | not_benh | phogg: ahh |
| 01:32.52 | roger21 | what is fuse useful for ? |
| 01:32.55 | phogg | module-assistant is spectacular and one of the reasons Debian kicks ass. |
| 01:33.00 | CaT[tm] | glob completion is way handy |
| 01:33.10 | xittum | im just writeing with a frind about this.. did #debian move server or not? |
| 01:33.16 | CaT[tm] | roger: creating filesystems in userspace, like the gmail file system :) |
| 01:33.23 | pollywog | I use fuse for encfs |
| 01:33.31 | pollywog | encrypted filesystem |
| 01:33.42 | roger21 | humm i see |
| 01:33.42 | Guerin | xittum: yes and no. irc.debian.org points to oftc, but most of the bidness still goes on here. |
| 01:33.44 | phogg | xittum: #debian is officially on oftc.net now, but this channel is still operating |
| 01:33.51 | CaT[tm] | polly: why not use the in-kernel stuff? |
| 01:34.01 | xittum | thanks guys ! |
| 01:34.53 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e (n=kintaro@203.177.138.178) |
| 01:34.57 | *** join/#debian rosen37_ (n=christor@88.123.238.166) |
| 01:35.10 | Eke | hey, how did this happen. i have a laptop and its connected to my router (wirelessly) and i opened this program on my linux machine and i see the folders: Shared Docs which is located on my laptop. any idea? is this why the reason why it is not safe to connect to someone's router? |
| 01:35.26 | pollywog | I am getting same errors as with my custom kernel: |
| 01:35.51 | pollywog | failed to load module evdev |
| 01:36.10 | pollywog | cannot open device /dev/psaux |
| 01:36.43 | pollywog | I will do a dist-upgrade |
| 01:37.01 | CaT[tm] | tried /dev/input/mice? |
| 01:37.18 | h3sp4wn | pollywog: The udev for 2.6.15 is definately not new enough to use 2.6.17 with |
| 01:37.25 | pollywog | k |
| 01:37.39 | pollywog | I think you were right about the dist-upgrade |
| 01:39.02 | pollywog | yes I see that udev is one of the packages that will be upgraded |
| 01:39.32 | *** join/#debian lucas (n=lucas@147-131-235-201.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 01:39.37 | *** join/#debian cunzhang (n=cunzhang@218.7.43.198) |
| 01:39.51 | pollywog | I had not thought to do a dist-upgrade since I am not upgrading from an older release |
| 01:40.44 | Guerin | i always use it too |
| 01:40.48 | Guerin | but that's because I'm a bad motherfucker |
| 01:40.53 | Guerin | i also run with scissors |
| 01:40.55 | pollywog | work Ubuntu into that and you might be shot ;) |
| 01:40.57 | Eke | hey, how did this happen. i have a laptop and its connected to my router (wirelessly) and i opened this program on my linux machine and i see the folders: Shared Docs which is located on my laptop. any idea? is this why the reason why it is not safe to connect to someone's router? |
| 01:40.59 | Eke | any idea? |
| 01:41.04 | CaT[tm] | pollywog: :) |
| 01:41.15 | h3sp4wn | I always use dist-upgrade (but use sid) |
| 01:41.26 | *** join/#debian nalioth (i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth) |
| 01:42.16 | pollywog | Eke do you use ssh when doing wireless? |
| 01:44.03 | pollywog | I wonder what ppl in #Ubuntu say when someone asks for help with Debian |
| 01:44.35 | Eke | pollywog: i don't ssh that much |
| 01:44.42 | Eke | and i don't ssh from my laptop |
| 01:45.12 | pollywog | I use ssh to connect to my own desktop from the laptop |
| 01:45.18 | pollywog | wireless or not |
| 01:45.23 | *** join/#debian Gumby (n=terry@unaffiliated/gumby) |
| 01:45.30 | Eke | im saying though, how come my laptop is networked? |
| 01:45.33 | Eke | lol |
| 01:45.38 | Eke | i didn't even touch anything |
| 01:45.40 | Sebboh` | I am searching for a new terminal emulator for X. I like putty, and I like my linux console. Any recommendations? |
| 01:45.54 | Coweater | xterm |
| 01:45.55 | Sebboh` | linux console + gpm, that is. |
| 01:45.57 | CaT[tm] | xterm, aterm, eterm |
| 01:46.12 | *** join/#debian seth1248 (n=seth1248@cpe-24-242-1-117.elp.res.rr.com) |
| 01:46.16 | Eke | coz i was browsing around the menus and i clicked on: Application -> Networked Servers |
| 01:46.25 | *** join/#debian p4tux (n=p4tux@189.146.12.120) |
| 01:46.53 | Eke | and it pop'ed up COMPUTERNAME |
| 01:46.53 | Sebboh` | I can't seem to make x term use a different font or easily copy and paste with the mouse. But it is really fast! |
| 01:46.53 | *** join/#debian dave55 (n=chessyma@cpe-66-108-59-75.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 01:46.54 | xittum | Eke: your network is open?.. sound like someone is getting free net |
| 01:47.03 | pollywog | Eke is the laptop runniung Windows? |
| 01:47.09 | Eke | pollywog: yeah |
| 01:47.12 | Coweater | Sebboh`: copy/paste is easy, highlight/middle click |
| 01:47.14 | pollywog | maybe disable smb on the router |
| 01:47.25 | Eke | xittum: you talkin about my wireless? |
| 01:47.29 | Coweater | ctrl-right click for changing fonts temporarily |
| 01:47.40 | *** join/#debian cornernote (n=Miranda@203-206-99-243.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 01:47.41 | Sebboh` | cow, ah. |
| 01:47.44 | CaT[tm] | sebboh: and man xterm to see how to select a different font. there's also a default selection available by using ctrl+mouse button (I forget which) |
| 01:47.45 | pollywog | my router has Samba but it is disabled |
| 01:47.48 | dave55 | hi |
| 01:47.52 | xittum | Eke: i was.. |
| 01:47.52 | Guerin | Eke: it's MY wireless now |
| 01:47.56 | Sebboh` | thank you both. |
| 01:48.10 | cornernote | hello, i am trying to install debian to an old laptop, but it crashed on install when it tries to do something with the PCMCIA |
| 01:48.11 | CaT[tm] | sebboh: always see if there's a manpage. they're usually useful :) |
| 01:48.26 | Eke | Guerin: what? |
| 01:49.30 | Guerin | Eke: i'm using your wirelessto access the internet. |
| 01:49.39 | xittum | cornernote: hit F1 when you see the first boot screen.. there is a option to boot without pcmcia |
| 01:49.41 | Eke | Guerin: sure |
| 01:49.44 | Guerin | Eke: it's not very fast, must be all that goat pr0n you're downloading |
| 01:49.45 | *** join/#debian xtr (i=01928375@S0106000c41ed11e1.vf.shawcable.net) |
| 01:49.51 | *** join/#debian cunzhang (n=cunzhang@218.7.43.198) |
| 01:49.54 | *** join/#debian ArkoldThos (n=arkoldth@189.129.39.6) |
| 01:49.57 | cunzhang | odla, ok |
| 01:50.05 | cornernote | xittum thanks :) |
| 01:50.11 | Eke | Guerin: like you're talkin to a 10 year old boy |
| 01:50.13 | cunzhang | odla, just restart dbus hal it will be ok |
| 01:50.18 | xittum | cornernote: sarge? |
| 01:50.28 | Eke | but foreal though, how the hell did that happen? |
| 01:50.31 | xittum | cornernote: then you might want to add "linux26" |
| 01:50.33 | odla | cunzhang: it worked? |
| 01:50.38 | cornernote | whatever the latest is, i download it yesterday |
| 01:50.39 | cunzhang | odla, yes |
| 01:50.40 | *** join/#debian XTR-III (i=01928375@S0106000c41ed11e1.vf.shawcable.net) |
| 01:50.47 | cornernote | will pcmcia work if i tweak something ? |
| 01:50.49 | Eke | its prolly windows that's fuckin up |
| 01:51.06 | Guerin | Eke: are you saying goat pr0n is only for 10 year old boys? |
| 01:51.10 | xittum | cornernote: sarge = stable and etch = testing... and im sure there is a way to tweak it |
| 01:51.26 | CaT[tm] | guerin: yeew! kid pr0n! |
| 01:51.26 | pollywog | wouldn't surprise me if the Billygates OS detects a sig and automatically connects |
| 01:51.35 | xittum | cornernote: linux26 might even be enough |
| 01:51.53 | *** join/#debian czedlitz (n=crogue5@ip70-161-80-244.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 01:52.12 | *** join/#debian delire_ (n=delire@p54BE6F2E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:52.15 | Eke | yeah, my laptop is set to automatically-connect when it detects a signal |
| 01:52.38 | pollywog | what if it is a neighbor's signal? |
| 01:52.44 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: better or worse than cat pr0n |
| 01:52.47 | Guerin | ? |
| 01:52.58 | CaT[tm] | guerin: dunno. |
| 01:52.58 | pollywog | or neighbour if you are Canadian |
| 01:53.04 | Eke | but how the fuck when i use nautilus network, it shows my laptop's Shared Docs folder? |
| 01:53.04 | CaT[tm] | guerin: never tried either :) |
| 01:53.41 | Eke | samba is not even installed |
| 01:53.42 | Eke | lol |
| 01:53.49 | Eke | some crazy shit is going on |
| 01:54.06 | pollywog | you are sure it is not installed on the router? |
| 01:54.08 | odla | Guerin: cat pr0n? |
| 01:54.17 | Guerin | odla: mrrrrrowr? |
| 01:54.21 | pollywog | Mine has Samba but I run DD-Wrt |
| 01:54.32 | odla | Guerin: they eat cats in Korea? |
| 01:55.03 | seth1248 | I just installed debian etch. I'm trying to use the NV driver for my nvidia card but I can't seem to get any other resolution than 640X480. Can anyone help me? |
| 01:55.16 | pollywog | no, not unless they are a dictator |
| 01:55.36 | Eke | LOL |
| 01:55.40 | Eke | no wonder why |
| 01:55.49 | seth1248 | My xorg.conf file is here incase that helps: http://pastebin.co.uk/4402 - made using dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
| 01:55.51 | *** join/#debian alexscott (n=alexscot@m87.net81-66-199.noos.fr) |
| 01:55.57 | *** join/#debian LSorensen (n=lsorense@203.144.75.121) |
| 01:56.00 | odla | someone was trying to tell me that Mao meows Big Cat, so it was Chairman Big Cat |
| 01:56.02 | Eke | it was set on: Share users blah blah blah |
| 01:56.06 | Eke | its off now |
| 01:56.12 | Eke | so it was windows fault |
| 01:56.15 | Eke | LOL |
| 01:56.17 | Eke | !lol |
| 01:56.18 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 01:56.31 | pollywog | but Mao is dead so he can't clear it up for us |
| 01:56.48 | odla | i meant means Big Cat |
| 01:56.55 | odla | not meows Big Cat...ha ha ha |
| 01:57.08 | pollywog | oic |
| 01:57.13 | pollywog | now I get it |
| 01:57.22 | Eke | that was fun though windows and nix together |
| 01:58.20 | *** part/#debian FrFluffyBottom (n=fingerba@87-194-48-114.bethere.co.uk) |
| 02:00.40 | Guerin | odla: they drink them |
| 02:01.10 | odla | Guerin: like blend them up in blenders? or drink their plasma and lymph juices? |
| 02:01.16 | pollywog | Okay the new kernel booted |
| 02:01.23 | pollywog | it was udev, apparently |
| 02:02.00 | Guerin | odla: boil them down into a tonic with rice spirit |
| 02:02.02 | pollywog | and the mouse works |
| 02:02.08 | odla | !blame udev |
| 02:02.22 | odla | relaxed? |
| 02:02.26 | pollywog | relaxed? |
| 02:02.35 | odla | Guerin: gross |
| 02:02.44 | Guerin | odla: never tried, it, wouldn't know |
| 02:02.52 | odla | there certainly are plenty of kittens in the world though |
| 02:02.56 | Guerin | odla: dog ain't bad, though |
| 02:03.01 | odla | ha ha |
| 02:03.03 | *** join/#debian ryan` (n=bar@hactar.ryanc.org) |
| 02:03.03 | Guerin | and tarantulas taste like shrimp |
| 02:03.11 | Guerin | you laugh, but I'm not kidding |
| 02:03.13 | pollywog | man talk about ketchup on donuts being gross |
| 02:03.19 | odla | oh i don't think i could eat tarantulas |
| 02:03.29 | odla | i could dogs over tarantulas |
| 02:03.38 | pollywog | I am a vegan I am going to be sick |
| 02:03.54 | seth1248 | I just installed debian etch. I'm trying to use the NV driver for my nvidia card but I can't seem to get any other resolution than 640X480. Can anyone help me? |
| 02:04.07 | seth1248 | My xorg.conf file is here incase that helps: http://pastebin.co.uk/4402 - made using dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
| 02:04.28 | odla | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:04.28 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 02:04.46 | odla | !etch nvidia |
| 02:04.46 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 02:05.11 | Guerin | pollywog: live octopus tentackles are a bit dangerous. They try to sucker onto anything they can grab, including the inside of your throat |
| 02:05.29 | odla | ha ha |
| 02:05.30 | pollywog | Guerin: I saw that on Survivor |
| 02:06.07 | Guerin | pollywog: you need to douse them in straight spirits to make them let go |
| 02:06.18 | Guerin | so it's occie, shot, occie, shot |
| 02:06.28 | Guerin | and getting them off the plate is tricky, too |
| 02:06.29 | pollywog | what you said reminds me of a picture I saw of a heron swallowing a frog |
| 02:06.41 | pollywog | but the frog had the heron by the throat |
| 02:07.36 | pollywog | the frog was going down but not without a fight |
| 02:07.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:07.57 | Guerin | story(chihuahua,bulldog) |
| 02:08.19 | seth1248 | dpkg: Is it possible to use the NV driver instead and still get higher than 640X480 resolution? |
| 02:08.40 | odla | seth1248: dpkg is a bot |
| 02:08.52 | Guerin | seth1248: yes. |
| 02:09.26 | seth1248 | odla: thanks dpkg did seem to answer a little too fast to be human. |
| 02:09.53 | seth1248 | Guerin: How can I configure for higher resolution with NV? |
| 02:10.43 | nevyn | so.. it turns out.. I was right ;) nvidia are evil mf's ;) |
| 02:11.05 | Guerin | seth1248: used to be with drxx, but I don't know now. |
| 02:11.11 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 02:11.12 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 02:11.16 | Guerin | try that anyway |
| 02:11.25 | odla | isn't drxx broke? |
| 02:11.31 | Guerin | dunno |
| 02:11.42 | odla | it use to be if it isn't now |
| 02:12.50 | gravity | If it is, I'd like to know |
| 02:13.12 | odla | i bet :) |
| 02:13.16 | gravity | Although I have to let it dpkg-reconfigure no matter what anyway, so if it's broken that should fix it |
| 02:13.26 | odla | it use to be a month or so ago |
| 02:13.38 | gravity | Probably still is |
| 02:14.27 | odla | bugs, bugs, bugs |
| 02:14.54 | gravity | patches happily accepted |
| 02:15.03 | naxalite | hi in XP it has something that alerts me each time someone or something wants to initiate a tcp/pi connection. Then I can either allow or cancel. Is there something in linux to visualize all the things that are trying or are having connection with my computer? |
| 02:15.34 | odla | gravity: i thought the developer of elive submitted a bug to fix that? |
| 02:15.35 | xittum | netstat? ;) |
| 02:16.00 | naxalite | xittum can I cancel connection in netstat? |
| 02:16.30 | naxalite | xittum ok tell a type command with netstat that would allow me to visualize |
| 02:16.31 | xittum | naxalite: theres is some frontends for iptables naxalite.. guarddog + firestarter |
| 02:16.34 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@cable-24-139-12-18.kapuskasing.dyn.personainc.net) |
| 02:16.43 | gravity | odla: Bug number? |
| 02:16.44 | xittum | naxalite: netstat -tnap |
| 02:16.51 | odla | not sure |
| 02:16.51 | predder | naxalite, netstat -taunp |
| 02:17.02 | naxalite | xittum I like to stick with cli... I kinda like cli |
| 02:17.48 | xittum | naxalite: LOTS of great tools for cli.. but no zonealarm popups |
| 02:17.56 | naxalite | lol |
| 02:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 685] by debhelper |
| 02:18.08 | odla | gravity: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377294 |
| 02:18.08 | naxalite | why so how can I be aware what's going on? |
| 02:18.37 | naxalite | xittum no cli popups? |
| 02:18.39 | naxalite | :-( |
| 02:19.22 | naxalite | xittum what's this? foreign address 0.0.0.0:* <--- |
| 02:19.33 | gravity | odla: That's not a real fix. I need to do something else. |
| 02:19.40 | *** join/#debian Pr0nStrGeek (n=voicenci@cs6625120-28.bham.res.rr.com) |
| 02:19.43 | xittum | naxalite: ngrep lsof iptraf wireshark/tethereal.. and so on :) |
| 02:19.52 | gravity | The problem is that I've gotten half a dozen patches, but they tend to be very wrong |
| 02:20.11 | naxalite | aha |
| 02:20.20 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@c-71-230-51-234.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 02:20.22 | odla | well that's not very helpful |
| 02:20.27 | xittum | naxalite: program not connected but litning = 0.0.0.0:xx |
| 02:21.13 | naxalite | xittum aha I get it... udp 0.0.0.0.0:68 <--- that's the port right? |
| 02:21.24 | xittum | naxalite: yep |
| 02:21.27 | naxalite | internet connection ^^ |
| 02:21.38 | *** join/#debian i3d (n=i3dmaste@c-67-173-233-76.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 02:21.48 | *** join/#debian cunzhang (n=cunzhang@218.7.43.198) |
| 02:21.57 | naxalite | ok tcp 0.0.0.0.0:6667 <--- that looks like irssr |
| 02:22.20 | naxalite | and tcp 0.0.0.0.0:23 <--- no idea |
| 02:22.49 | *** join/#debian dvst (n=Javier@201.208.113.135) |
| 02:23.49 | odla | http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ ha ha ha |
| 02:23.50 | xittum | naxalite: try netstat --inet -ap ? |
| 02:25.30 | xittum | naxalite: and.. t = tcp so if you want udp you should now know what to do :) also try -taunp |
| 02:25.34 | naxalite | ircd telnet boopc ?? |
| 02:26.21 | liable | naxalite: you have a 0.0.0.0:6667 ?? thats a server, not a client. you might be hosting a botnet :) |
| 02:26.53 | xittum | and the telnet part is weird too..he |
| 02:27.06 | naxalite | can I kill those with top? |
| 02:27.14 | liable | i would disconnect that box if i were you |
| 02:27.17 | naxalite | looks like a daemon |
| 02:27.18 | naxalite | lol |
| 02:27.37 | *** join/#debian Evixion (i=Evixion@66-191-246-38.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) |
| 02:27.43 | liable | if you are running ircd, and didnt install it yourself.. |
| 02:27.50 | xittum | naxalite: netstat shows PID - > kill -9 <pid> |
| 02:27.59 | abrotman | liable: oh wait .. i know! |
| 02:28.00 | *** join/#debian putz (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 02:28.03 | naxalite | shows this 15859/utelnetd ... listed |
| 02:28.17 | liable | abrotman: tell me, tell me, tell me.. |
| 02:28.29 | naxalite | 15859 is the telnetd pid? |
| 02:28.38 | abrotman | liable: h4xx04! |
| 02:29.00 | liable | abrotman: all his bases are belong to j00?? |
| 02:29.04 | abrotman | wait .. that didn't work .. my 1337 is so weak :) |
| 02:29.38 | naxalite | liable what do you mean by server? |
| 02:29.47 | naxalite | by being a server? |
| 02:29.52 | liable | naxalite: ircd is an irc server |
| 02:30.04 | naxalite | so that one is aight |
| 02:30.07 | abrotman | a daemon ... if you didn't install a daemon .. that's a bad sign |
| 02:30.30 | liable | naxalite: you run an irc server? |
| 02:30.32 | naxalite | so kill 15859/telnetd? |
| 02:30.39 | naxalite | no |
| 02:30.41 | naxalite | I am installing |
| 02:31.14 | naxalite | should I kill the above pid? |
| 02:31.31 | jelly-home | naxalite: I'd first lsof it and see what files does it have open. |
| 02:31.50 | naxalite | lsof telnetd like that? |
| 02:32.01 | jelly-home | naxalite: thus you can learn some more about it, and if you have a hole it might give a clue as to where that hole might be |
| 02:32.09 | xittum | naxalite: lsof |grep <pid> |
| 02:32.10 | jelly-home | naxalite: lsof -n -p 15859 |
| 02:32.15 | xittum | ohh |
| 02:32.17 | xittum | :) |
| 02:32.25 | jelly-home | -n is to skip dns lookups. |
| 02:32.52 | xittum | handy |
| 02:33.07 | *** join/#debian edju (n=edju@c-68-40-108-85.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:33.39 | jelly-home | naxalite: if you host web pages on that machine, i'd bet on some php app... cms, forum, something like that. especially if that process is running under the same user as apache. |
| 02:34.18 | litage | on the cli, how can you check the expiry of an ssl cert? |
| 02:35.54 | jelly-home | litage: hmm openssl x509 something? man x509? |
| 02:36.15 | litage | jelly-home: reading the manpage now.. |
| 02:36.34 | *** join/#debian ian-s (n=ian@69-175-201-127.chvlva.adelphia.net) |
| 02:36.44 | *** join/#debian etzerd (n=etzerd@pool-162-83-252-216.ny5030.east.verizon.net) |
| 02:36.48 | *** join/#debian TraceGreen (n=Trace@125.33.171.54) |
| 02:36.49 | etzerd | hello all |
| 02:36.51 | etzerd | ? |
| 02:36.59 | ian-s | howdy |
| 02:37.13 | jelly-home | litage: something like "openssl x509 -in /etc/ssl/certs/postfix.pem -enddate" |
| 02:37.24 | *** part/#debian ian-s (n=ian@69-175-201-127.chvlva.adelphia.net) |
| 02:37.43 | naxalite | xittum ok thanks for the input... I guess I have to learn about all this |
| 02:37.49 | *** join/#debian dererk (n=dash@unaffiliated/dererk) |
| 02:38.06 | etzerd | when I go to some internet site trying to play video let's tak foxnews.com as an example I can here the sound but no picture. |
| 02:38.12 | naxalite | by the way is it possible to have several tabs with different webpages using linkg? |
| 02:38.13 | etzerd | what can I do to fix that? |
| 02:38.16 | naxalite | I meant lynx |
| 02:38.29 | xittum | naxalite: anytime.. and take your time (new users always want to learn it all in one day) |
| 02:38.29 | jelly-home | naxalite: elinks has tabs. |
| 02:38.33 | naxalite | or do I use ^z fg ?? |
| 02:38.46 | litage | jelly-home: awesome possum, thanks |
| 02:38.57 | *** join/#debian jcwong (n=catalyst@unaffiliated/jcwong) |
| 02:39.23 | TraceGreen | Hello, As I know, partition table is in MBR, But, statge1 in grub is 512kb and it is in MBR, so, I wonder, whereis my partition table after i install GRUB? |
| 02:39.34 | jelly-home | naxalite: if you are using console/terminal apps a lot, check out screen -- runs multiple shells in separate tab-like "screens". |
| 02:39.41 | *** join/#debian d0ug (n=asdf@250-54.customer.cloud9.net) |
| 02:39.46 | TraceGreen | stage1, sorry, and it is 512 bytes |
| 02:40.17 | naxalite | jelly that's an excellent idea however how may I have several screen opened without partition? |
| 02:40.34 | jelly-home | TraceGreen: p.table takes only 60 bytes or so. the rest is grub code (or some other MBR) |
| 02:40.36 | naxalite | without splitting the page |
| 02:40.38 | etzerd | nobody answer my question |
| 02:40.50 | abrotman | depending on the FS .. there's another PT at the end |
| 02:41.01 | etzerd | dpkg: |
| 02:41.06 | abrotman | etzerd: probably OSS related |
| 02:41.06 | naxalite | I know screen I don't know how to have many opened without splitting the screen |
| 02:41.47 | TraceGreen | jelly-home, stage1 is 512 bytes, and MBR is just 512 bytes, am I wrong? |
| 02:41.47 | etzerd | abrotman: you mean operating system? |
| 02:41.58 | abrotman | no ... |
| 02:41.59 | abrotman | !oss |
| 02:42.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, oss is an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very non-free and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the Halloween document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels. (See ALSA for 2.6 info).. OldSchoolSound |
| 02:42.04 | d0ug | open sound system, yo |
| 02:42.05 | *** join/#debian wiz1705 (i=zachowe@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com) |
| 02:42.11 | d0ug | oh |
| 02:42.45 | jelly-home | naxalite: what's splitting? I just open new screens with ctrl-a c then switch between them using ctrl-a number or ctrl-a space |
| 02:43.06 | *** join/#debian ryanium (n=ryan@74.141.65.102) |
| 02:43.13 | d0ug | jelly: what are you using to do that? |
| 02:43.34 | jelly-home | d0ug: sorry, to do what? |
| 02:43.51 | d0ug | to create new screens and hop around |
| 02:43.58 | d0ug | screen? |
| 02:44.04 | jelly-home | d0ug: yes |
| 02:44.07 | xittum | naxalite: screen is like.. tabs for the terminal |
| 02:44.26 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 02:45.05 | d0ug | i've heard a lot of good stuff about screen |
| 02:45.25 | d0ug | fortunately, i know how to work apt-get a little |
| 02:45.47 | d0ug | hopefully i won't have to man anything... |
| 02:47.12 | xittum | d0ug: man pages are not made for beginners (some will disagree now) bur they will start to make some sense in time :) |
| 02:48.01 | naxalite | ok it's working nooow |
| 02:48.02 | naxalite | :-) |
| 02:48.12 | jelly-home | d0ug: oh, you will have to man. You WILL. |
| 02:48.19 | xittum | naxalite: the botnet or? hehehe |
| 02:48.59 | *** join/#debian scud (n=scud@c-71-207-170-25.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 02:49.23 | *** join/#debian youkd (n=youkd@211.63.209.44) |
| 02:50.55 | naxalite | thanks screen is awsome |
| 02:51.05 | naxalite | yeah i can use it as tabs |
| 02:51.55 | *** join/#debian b33rZi (n=xbfd@aworklan025162.netvigator.com) |
| 02:52.35 | Guerin | screen is indispensable |
| 02:53.02 | Guerin | first thing to do, though, is rebing escape and command keystrokes to ^` |
| 02:53.06 | CaT[tm] | screen is beyond indispensable |
| 02:53.18 | Guerin | becaus ^a is just stupid, it's used for so many other things |
| 02:53.23 | CaT[tm] | I'm so used to it now... |
| 02:53.25 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: you're probably a vidiot |
| 02:53.25 | lucas | whois lucer0 |
| 02:53.37 | Guerin | and run bash in vi-mode or something |
| 02:53.40 | CaT[tm] | guerin: I've been using screen for over 10 years. |
| 02:53.50 | Crissi | :) |
| 02:53.52 | *** part/#debian lucas (n=lucas@147-131-235-201.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 02:53.56 | CaT[tm] | doing ^aa for ^a is ingrained now |
| 02:53.58 | *** join/#debian niles (n=gamer@156.12.180.133) |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | Guerin: only in emacs :) |
| 02:53.59 | *** join/#debian lowlevel (n=Stuart@CPE0050ba71c82f-CM000f9f7d6742.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:54.03 | Agrajag- | g'day, i think when i installed apache2 it generated an ssl cert for me (i don't remember doing it, and looking at the apache2 cert files it looks.. debianised), but it's expired and i would like to renew it (self signed), how do i do this the debian way? |
| 02:54.05 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: and it doesn't pain you horribly to have to do c-a a to go to the start of the line? |
| 02:54.11 | CaT[tm] | nope |
| 02:54.16 | abrotman | Agrajag-: make-ssl-cert |
| 02:54.21 | Guerin | mister, you're a better man than I |
| 02:54.24 | CaT[tm] | after 10 years it's as natural as can be |
| 02:54.32 | Agrajag- | abrotman: ta |
| 02:54.43 | abrotman | Agrajag-: at least ... i think that's the way i did it last time |
| 02:55.12 | abrotman | soccer ? |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:55.53 | Agrajag- | abrotman: yeah that looks about right, but i dont know what template file was used when this cert was first made |
| 02:55.56 | niles | dpkg only mentions woody sid and potatoe for installing jre? i run sarge. how can i get jre instllaed? |
| 02:56.05 | CaT[tm] | guerin: lets just say I can do ^a as need be in a screen within screen within screen now :) |
| 02:56.07 | niles | i hear blackdown is not the most apreciated either |
| 02:56.14 | abrotman | don't use blackdown |
| 02:56.18 | niles | ok |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | !tell niles about install java |
| 02:56.38 | abrotman | Agrajag-: see if it works for you |
| 02:56.48 | abrotman | !tell niles about java-package |
| 02:57.01 | niles | thanx pal |
| 02:57.02 | Agrajag- | abrotman: yeah, im using the one the manpage suggests, so far so good |
| 02:57.11 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:58.12 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: i need a statusbar to keep my head straight with nexted screens |
| 02:58.17 | Guerin | nested, even |
| 02:58.51 | Guerin | abrotman: football. Soccer is played in north america, this is european. |
| 02:59.08 | abrotman | i assume it to be the same sport :) |
| 02:59.12 | CaT[tm] | nested! that's the word I was looking for. damned wordiness escapes me sometimes. |
| 02:59.42 | *** join/#debian khermans_ (n=khermans@71.174.54.65) |
| 03:00.39 | *** join/#debian poopybutt (n=Matt@cpe-71-66-224-42.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 03:00.53 | *** join/#debian zamaliphe (n=zam@196.218.38.141) |
| 03:01.08 | *** join/#debian Segers_J (n=w00t@pdpc/supporter/active/Segers-J) |
| 03:01.12 | *** join/#debian lucer0 (n=lucer0@147-131-235-201.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 03:01.14 | khermans_ | how do I undelete a file that had the chattr +u attribute set? |
| 03:01.21 | poopybutt | anybody familiar with using a dual monitor setup with an ati card. i want to make the secondary monitor on the left |
| 03:01.47 | poopybutt | i know there is an aticonfig command, but i dont know the proper syntax to do so |
| 03:01.56 | abrotman | have you asked #ati ? |
| 03:02.10 | poopybutt | abrotman: yeah about twice a day for 3 days |
| 03:02.15 | abrotman | ah ok :) |
| 03:02.29 | poopybutt | and no respose, they need to lurk more |
| 03:02.38 | abrotman | or you do! |
| 03:02.48 | khermans_ | poopybutt, you dont need to use the ati configurator |
| 03:03.08 | *** join/#debian wimpies (n=u19809@cable-87-244-150-125.upc.chello.be) |
| 03:03.13 | khermans_ | poopybutt, you should setup multiple screens in your X config |
| 03:03.17 | *** join/#debian tod_ (n=tod@i53874C02.versanet.de) |
| 03:03.19 | poopybutt | khermans_: people keep telling me to just add something to the xorg.conf file but everybodies file looks different |
| 03:03.27 | khermans_ | yeah |
| 03:03.37 | poopybutt | and when i try to add a certain line it screws up my crap |
| 03:03.42 | khermans_ | ls |
| 03:03.49 | khermans_ | poopybutt, what line? |
| 03:03.51 | abrotman | metamucil |
| 03:03.51 | wimpies | I just upgrade to ssh 4.3 to 4.2 and I cannot logon anymore using rsa. Logging shows 'key is disallowed' |
| 03:03.53 | poopybutt | or their other suggestion is to just copy theirs, and that totally makes it worse |
| 03:03.57 | wimpies | anybody suggestions |
| 03:04.00 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 03:04.11 | poopybutt | khermans_: well not a specific line, ive been told multiple different things |
| 03:04.12 | zamaliphe | abrotman: i have reinstall debian after only 3 dayes of work can you pleases help me with this |
| 03:04.17 | khermans_ | poopybutt, you need to create a custom one |
| 03:04.23 | abrotman | zamaliphe: with what ? |
| 03:06.00 | poopybutt | im aware that i need to do that, i dont know what to customize though |
| 03:06.27 | abrotman | zamaliphe: ? |
| 03:06.51 | khermans_ | poopybutt, add an additional screen |
| 03:06.53 | khermans_ | hold on |
| 03:07.51 | khermans_ | poopybutt, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors |
| 03:07.54 | *** join/#debian ahlfors (n=ahlfors@ip68-110-203-127.ri.ri.cox.net) |
| 03:07.55 | zamaliphe | abrotman: i need to compile nvidia driver is their is an easy way to beld its debendsy ? |
| 03:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 693] by debhelper |
| 03:08.11 | wols_ | !nvidia |
| 03:08.11 | abrotman | which vesrion of debian ? |
| 03:08.11 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia was DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 03:08.19 | khermans_ | poopybutt, you using the open source or binary driver? |
| 03:08.25 | abrotman | zamaliphe: sarge? etch? sid ? |
| 03:08.30 | zamaliphe | abrotman: sid |
| 03:08.39 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:08.40 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 03:08.52 | abrotman | and that's about as much as i know about binary-only-crap |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | sad but true :) |
| 03:09.23 | zamaliphe | abrotman: ok |
| 03:09.46 | wols_ | zamaliphe: any special reason why you must use the nvidia installer? |
| 03:09.58 | *** join/#debian dansushi (n=dan@c-66-30-178-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:10.04 | ahlfors | I've never used module-assistant and find it intimidating. I just use make-kpkg ... modules_image. |
| 03:10.34 | abrotman | m-a is actually pretty darn nice |
| 03:10.59 | ahlfors | I guess I should look into it and RTFM |
| 03:11.28 | zamaliphe | abrotman: one moor thing how to back up my full system the "/" dir in one ziped file with "gz2" ext ? |
| 03:11.47 | abrotman | man tar |
| 03:12.01 | zamaliphe | wols_: i need to install the now beta driver |
| 03:12.05 | abrotman | there's a zip option for tar |
| 03:12.23 | *** join/#debian yansanmo (n=yanmorin@bas6-montreal28-1177927502.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 03:12.33 | *** join/#debian cb^ (n=cb@pD9E023B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:12.49 | zamaliphe | abrotman: yes but how can i use it for a full back up ? |
| 03:13.07 | abrotman | you can backup / using tar and the zip option |
| 03:13.16 | zamaliphe | abrotman: full back up in one file ? |
| 03:13.26 | abrotman | if you want to |
| 03:14.32 | wols_ | zamaliphe: it's along the lines of tar -czvf backup.tar.gz /* |
| 03:14.56 | wols_ | you might have to tell tar not to include special files like in /proc or /dev |
| 03:15.24 | *** join/#debian aidan (n=aidan@unaffiliated/aidan) |
| 03:15.57 | *** join/#debian munga (n=munga@pulp.rsise.anu.edu.au) |
| 03:16.17 | munga | I've built a debian package for a project of mine. what is the best practice to handle the package via a VCS ? My project is handled by darcs and I can produce the .orig.tgz very easily ... it is recomended to maintain the debian directory in a separate repository ? |
| 03:16.18 | abrotman | wols_: man tar! |
| 03:16.39 | abrotman | munga: honestly .. i'd keep it in the VCS |
| 03:16.51 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 03:16.51 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 03:17.39 | zamaliphe | wols_: the "/proc or /dev" are some kernel stuff right when the kernel start it creat them right ? |
| 03:17.59 | wols_ | zamaliphe: depends, but mostly yes |
| 03:18.20 | *** join/#debian Clinton__ (n=kvirc@c-68-43-200-249.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 03:18.32 | zamaliphe | wols_: ok thanks |
| 03:18.48 | munga | abrotman: so all together with the software ... Ill try with mentors ... |
| 03:18.49 | Dewi | zamaliphe: for /proc yes |
| 03:18.52 | wols_ | zamaliphe: if you want a full backup use something like mondo |
| 03:18.56 | wols_ | tar isn't the right tool |
| 03:19.00 | abrotman | okay |
| 03:19.12 | Dewi | zamaliphe: but /dev has a few things in it that aren't always automatic I think |
| 03:19.29 | *** join/#debian loki-42 (n=loki@p54B206BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:19.39 | Dewi | wols_: I've always just used tar |
| 03:20.13 | Dewi | wols_: it seems easier to just reinstall a system and put back home dirs and individual other files |
| 03:20.24 | Dewi | wols_: but I guess it depends how quickly you want your system on its feet again |
| 03:20.34 | zamaliphe | when you gon added the last nvidia beta driver to unstable ? |
| 03:21.16 | *** join/#debian der0b (n=mds@c-24-63-35-182.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:21.26 | *** join/#debian JJ|Laptop (n=jjlaptop@S010600032f3925db.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 03:21.26 | wols_ | !WIR |
| 03:21.26 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 03:22.38 | zamaliphe | !RSN |
| 03:22.39 | dpkg | it has been said that rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 03:23.05 | zamaliphe | !SIYH |
| 03:23.06 | dpkg | methinks siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 03:23.20 | *** join/#debian keram (n=Cidem_Re@cpe-72-134-57-145.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 03:23.25 | zamaliphe | ok |
| 03:23.31 | wols_ | !tell zamaliphe about msg |
| 03:24.50 | *** join/#debian nocti (n=nocti@dial.dyn.147.243.surfsterisp.com) |
| 03:24.56 | zamaliphe | wols_: i was just testing the bots :D |
| 03:26.26 | *** join/#debian nocti (i=nocti@dial.dyn.147.243.surfsterisp.com) |
| 03:28.24 | *** join/#debian jikuty (i=em@CPE001195752c87-CM00111ade8af2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 03:28.39 | Dewi | awwww sooner if you help.... I hate that one |
| 03:28.53 | Dewi | :P |
| 03:29.38 | jikuty | what's the easiest way to access my linux filesystem from Windows on a dualboot machine? |
| 03:30.05 | abrotman | which FS on linux ? |
| 03:30.16 | *** join/#debian ptlis (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 03:30.18 | *** join/#debian DeliPenguen (n=tugrul@85.105.225.171) |
| 03:30.22 | *** join/#debian some_plus (n=some@81.214.252.132) |
| 03:30.26 | DeliPenguen | hi |
| 03:30.41 | some_plus | hi DeliPenguen |
| 03:30.46 | DeliPenguen | i compiled linux kernel 2.6.18 |
| 03:31.00 | DeliPenguen | with make-kpkg |
| 03:31.03 | jikuty | umm.. the default one installed by Debian ? |
| 03:31.13 | DeliPenguen | but i forgot bcm43xx module |
| 03:31.16 | jikuty | excuse my ignorance, I'm a total newbie with unix/linux/*nix |
| 03:31.22 | ahlfors | jikuty, let the man roll his own if he wants |
| 03:31.35 | DeliPenguen | how can i install this without new compile? |
| 03:31.40 | DeliPenguen | can i? |
| 03:31.41 | ahlfors | jikuty, oh nm I misinterpreted your previous comment. |
| 03:31.53 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 03:31.53 | dpkg | methinks explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 03:31.55 | wols_ | DeliPenguen: compile modules only |
| 03:32.00 | DeliPenguen | how |
| 03:32.06 | ahlfors | jikuty, you need to find out the device/partition name for your windows disk |
| 03:32.13 | wols_ | make-kpkg --targets |
| 03:32.14 | ahlfors | then mount it |
| 03:32.28 | jikuty | I have my Windows drives mounted on my linux partition already |
| 03:32.43 | jikuty | do I do the same thing if I want to go the other way around? (access linux partitions from Windows) |
| 03:32.53 | wols_ | jikuty: http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 03:32.55 | abrotman | not quite |
| 03:32.58 | wols_ | use at your own risk |
| 03:33.01 | ahlfors | jikuty, oh, that will be harder, esp if you use ext3. |
| 03:33.08 | *** join/#debian dbw (n=dbw@unaffiliated/sinope) |
| 03:33.24 | abrotman | wtf does ext3 have to do with accessing windows partitions from linux ? |
| 03:33.24 | wols_ | jikuty: a good solution would be coLinux with samba |
| 03:33.26 | jikuty | yeah, I believe I am using ext3... it rings a bell. |
| 03:33.48 | wols_ | abrotman: there is currently no ext3 driver/program, only ext2 |
| 03:34.00 | abrotman | the explore2fs does do ext3 also |
| 03:34.02 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (n=Rusty1@cpe-72-226-105-88.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 03:34.09 | ahlfors | abrotman, he wants to do the reverse |
| 03:34.10 | abrotman | so it says anyways |
| 03:34.18 | abrotman | that's not what he said orignally |
| 03:34.22 | wols_ | abrotman: it does ext2 which is by ext3 compatible by virtue of backwards compatibility |
| 03:34.38 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:34.53 | jikuty | <jikuty> what's the easiest way to access my linux filesystem from Windows on a dualboot machine? <-- my original question |
| 03:35.05 | jikuty | lots of confusion :p |
| 03:35.05 | abrotman | i said .. explore2fs |
| 03:35.12 | wols_ | and abrotman answered you, explore2fs is easiest |
| 03:35.14 | jikuty | alright, i'll check it out |
| 03:35.24 | jikuty | thank you |
| 03:35.28 | *** join/#debian kryptoz (n=kryptoz@221.135.191.222) |
| 03:36.49 | jikuty | wow, I already got it up and running.. nice |
| 03:37.00 | *** join/#debian kryptoz (n=kryptoz@221.135.191.222) |
| 03:39.48 | *** join/#debian cat (n=cat@unaffiliated/cat) |
| 03:39.53 | cat | hey how can i see my batery on my lapto/p |
| 03:40.00 | cat | the percentage and stuff like that |
| 03:40.27 | abrotman | form what ? |
| 03:40.31 | abrotman | there are many GUI tools |
| 03:40.33 | wimpies | anybody around with ssh knowledge ? |
| 03:40.41 | abrotman | !ask |
| 03:40.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:41.02 | cat | abrotman: like? |
| 03:41.24 | wimpies | I have a client A that talks to servers B and C. C uses 4.2 of ssh B uses 4.3. settings are identical (copied over) |
| 03:41.29 | abrotman | which GUI .. gnome and kde both have taskbar appelts to do it |
| 03:41.41 | wimpies | A can connect to C but A prompts for password when connecting to B. |
| 03:41.50 | wimpies | pub key of A is both in B and C |
| 03:41.58 | cat | abrotman: i have but it gives me some error, |
| 03:42.03 | cat | so that's why im asking why |
| 03:42.08 | abrotman | is acpi running ? |
| 03:42.12 | cat | nope |
| 03:42.18 | cat | how can i enable acpi? |
| 03:42.20 | abrotman | how old is the laptop ? |
| 03:42.25 | abrotman | probably instlal acpid |
| 03:42.30 | cat | is a toshiba tecra 8200 |
| 03:42.51 | *** join/#debian ptlis (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 03:42.52 | cat | done |
| 03:43.04 | cat | is there any other GUI application im on fluxbox, |
| 03:43.06 | abrotman | you might have to load modules /reboot for it to work |
| 03:43.13 | khermans_ | how do i udelete a file set with chattr +u ???? |
| 03:43.14 | abrotman | oh .. dunno what fluxbox has |
| 03:43.17 | cat | i don't really like, gnome or kde |
| 03:43.23 | cat | okay |
| 03:43.35 | cat | loading acpi modules: baterry ac processor button fan thermal |
| 03:43.37 | abrotman | use apt-cache search ... |
| 03:43.39 | cat | is that alright? |
| 03:43.44 | abrotman | yep .. sounds right |
| 03:50.15 | *** join/#debian cat (n=cat@unaffiliated/cat) |
| 03:52.21 | *** join/#debian ptlis (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 03:54.01 | *** join/#debian insmod (n=insmod@d141-13-36.home.cgocable.net) |
| 03:54.54 | cat | !seen abrotman |
| 03:54.54 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11m 10s ago, saying: 'yep .. sounds right'. |
| 03:55.36 | *** join/#debian jrbobdobbs (n=jrbobdob@68-185-164-227.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 03:56.16 | *** join/#debian Cybodog (n=Underdog@adsl-70-137-5-92.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net) |
| 03:57.30 | *** join/#debian nOp (n=xxxx@81.185.152.35) |
| 03:58.26 | *** part/#debian some_plus (n=some@81.214.252.132) |
| 03:58.45 | *** part/#debian Cybodog (n=Underdog@adsl-70-137-5-92.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net) |
| 03:58.46 | *** join/#debian TraceGreen (n=Trace@221.216.155.156) |
| 04:01.05 | *** join/#debian osphy (n=osphy@202.63.114.135) |
| 04:05.21 | *** join/#debian Stevie (i=whatsit2@c-69-249-31-63.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 04:07.50 | *** join/#debian starfishy (n=crh@dsl027-179-107.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 04:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 687] by debhelper |
| 04:09.48 | *** join/#debian clientxs (n=support@ip113-66-132.cust.crazy.com.au) |
| 04:10.03 | *** part/#debian starfishy (n=crh@dsl027-179-107.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 04:10.28 | clientxs | Hi, all. I'm trying to install cpanel on to a debian net install (sarge) image. |
| 04:10.46 | clientxs | Cpanel installs but when i go into cpanel and client accounts or any functions |
| 04:10.49 | clientxs | i receive this error; |
| 04:10.49 | clientxs | [a fatal error or timeout occurred while processing this directive] |
| 04:10.59 | clientxs | any ideas? |
| 04:11.54 | niles | java works. thanx pal |
| 04:15.13 | *** join/#debian Huahua (n=hua_@123.49.239.43) |
| 04:15.29 | *** join/#debian seth1248 (n=seth1248@cpe-24-242-1-117.elp.res.rr.com) |
| 04:15.42 | seth1248 | nvidia etch |
| 04:16.19 | seth1248 | nvidia |
| 04:16.36 | *** join/#debian nalioth_ (i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth) |
| 04:17.47 | seth1248 | I have been trying to figure out for hours how to use my nvidia card in etch. Has anyone had any luck with nvidia in etch? |
| 04:19.13 | *** join/#debian scanf (n=bdeck@46.177.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 04:19.35 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 04:19.35 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 04:19.55 | karsten | seth1248: suggest you use the 'nv' xorg module unless you like kernel root sploits. |
| 04:22.06 | seth1248 | karsten: I would like to us the nv driver, but I seem to not be able to configure it correctly because I am only able to get 640X480 resolution. |
| 04:22.21 | *** part/#debian Rusty1 (n=Rusty1@cpe-72-226-105-88.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 04:22.43 | karsten | seth1248: I'd recommend buying hardware with supported drivers and open specs myself. |
| 04:22.49 | seth1248 | karsten: Do I need to list nv in /etc/modules? |
| 04:23.01 | karsten | seth1248: I don't use nvidia. Read the factoid. |
| 04:23.09 | karsten | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:23.10 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 04:23.57 | seth1248 | dpkg: etch nvidia |
| 04:23.57 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 04:24.27 | karsten | seth1248: /msg the bots. |
| 04:25.53 | *** join/#debian lepton (n=lepton@74.136.202.218) |
| 04:26.23 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 04:26.56 | *** join/#debian secher (n=secher@pool-71-248-202-130.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) |
| 04:27.20 | secher | With apache2, does the apache2.conf file deprecate the httpd.conf? |
| 04:27.21 | *** join/#debian sudharsh (n=sudharsh@59.92.49.66) |
| 04:27.24 | dockane | is there a way, to view tif files on a fb console? i tried "fbi" in combination with imagemgick (have to convert the tifs to jpg) but it says ioctl FBIOGET_CON2FBMAP: illegal argument. any ideas what else i should try? |
| 04:29.10 | *** join/#debian jstgtpaid (n=steven@ip72-196-204-161.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 04:30.10 | *** join/#debian ChrisBradley (n=ChrisBra@unaffiliated/chrisbradley) |
| 04:33.34 | Faithful | I have got amavis / spamassassin running... when i test directly with sa i get a score of 14 but when I send the same via amavis I get score of 3... any ideas??? |
| 04:33.39 | *** join/#debian xammu (i=bvwqqz@p54B3B2AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:34.52 | *** part/#debian secher (n=secher@pool-71-248-202-130.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) |
| 04:35.00 | *** join/#debian Alam_Debian (n=Alam@c-24-218-227-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 04:35.25 | *** join/#debian niles (n=gamer@neohangout.com) |
| 04:36.02 | dockane | link2 -G does a pretty goob job |
| 04:36.08 | dockane | links2 |
| 04:36.55 | kingsley | Which command reveals if a certain user has an X session? |
| 04:37.11 | *** join/#debian Varange (n=hwichman@canelot.energyts.com) |
| 04:37.14 | Varange | hi all |
| 04:37.15 | *** join/#debian tenzing_ (n=tenzin@202.144.158.193) |
| 04:37.22 | *** join/#debian niles (n=gamer@neohangout.com) |
| 04:38.18 | Varange | i'm trying to set up my X server, but there is a fault in thexfree86 config, I suspect the wrong graphics card is configured. How do I auto-detect or get info about the video card? |
| 04:39.23 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@66.92.163.116) |
| 04:39.23 | kingsley | Varange: If I recall correctly, lspci -v -v -v , but try "man lspci". |
| 04:39.32 | *** join/#debian d0ug2 (n=asdf@250-54.customer.cloud9.net) |
| 04:39.32 | Varange | thanks kingsley |
| 04:40.44 | Varange | kingsley: intel 82815 :)) |
| 04:42.42 | Varange | kingsley: oops, tried the intel 810 option, teh damn thing nearly froze. |
| 04:44.41 | Varange | kingsley: where do I find a driver for that card? |
| 04:44.54 | *** join/#debian scanf (n=bdeck@46.177.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 04:46.31 | mhall | kingsley: w ? |
| 04:46.36 | *** join/#debian leyb (n=leyb@176.sub-75-192-24.myvzw.com) |
| 04:47.00 | mhall | kingsley: ps aux | grep X |
| 04:47.55 | *** join/#debian zam (n=zam@196.218.38.141) |
| 04:48.23 | *** join/#debian clocker (n=clocker@mrrsmb01bb2-ac01-63-28.dial.mts.net) |
| 04:50.33 | *** join/#debian the_mug (n=the_mug@smtp.craftontull.com) |
| 04:50.35 | *** join/#debian comfrey (n=comfrey@h-64-105-215-75.sttnwaho.covad.net) |
| 04:51.48 | *** join/#debian zamaliphe (n=zam@196.218.38.141) |
| 04:51.50 | *** join/#debian dansushi[server] (n=dan@c-66-30-178-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 04:51.56 | *** join/#debian Heartsbane (n=ne1469@166.70.210.102) |
| 04:52.17 | *** part/#debian leyb (n=leyb@176.sub-75-192-24.myvzw.com) |
| 04:54.27 | clientxs | anyone here know the ssl packages for perl? |
| 04:54.40 | clientxs | is it libio-socket-ssl-perl |
| 04:54.42 | clientxs | ? |
| 04:56.23 | deadcat | whats the link to the compiz howto about resizing windows being laggy? |
| 04:57.54 | *** join/#debian desus (n=desus@201.15.136.11) |
| 04:58.49 | mhall | clientxs: look at packages.d.o, your package, and this package libnet-ssleay-perl |
| 04:59.03 | mhall | clientxs: i think libnet is the most popular perl network library |
| 04:59.07 | clientxs | libnet-ssleay-perl |
| 04:59.10 | clientxs | yup fond it |
| 04:59.15 | clientxs | found* |
| 04:59.18 | mhall | clientxs: also better see if the higher level ones like HTTP support SSL implicitly |
| 04:59.20 | *** join/#debian Fox_1_ (n=Ebless@dsl236-46.netsys.am) |
| 04:59.21 | Fox_1_ | I have a problem with courier-imap. My emails exim store in ~/Maildir. courier-imap get mails from where, but when i (my clients) use email client(outlook express ..) it show that i have, for example 5 new emails, but does not show in the inbox folder. |
| 04:59.52 | mhall | clientxs: if Perl is anything like the languages I have used, then you have some kind of URL reader class which reads the URL and calls the right underlying class with or without SSL to get the job done |
| 05:00.39 | Fox_1_ | where=there |
| 05:01.30 | clientxs | mhall: just trying to install cpanel on debian |
| 05:01.41 | mhall | clientxs: be careful with those kinds of apps |
| 05:01.50 | clientxs | cpanel installs but when i go to check accounts or any functions in cpanel i receive a; |
| 05:01.55 | *** join/#debian Angel_SL (n=angelsl@cm69.sigma13.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 05:01.56 | Fox_1_ | or in horde/imp it's show that i have emails but does not show in inbox, |
| 05:02.00 | mhall | clientxs: they can lead to yourMachine->isHacked() == true |
| 05:02.00 | clientxs | [a fatal error or timeout occurred while processing this directive] |
| 05:02.19 | mhall | clientxs: try checking the apache log |
| 05:02.51 | clientxs | mhall: i think it's an issue with perl 5.8 and cpanel (latest) and NET::SSL |
| 05:03.13 | clientxs | anywhere i can paste the error i'm getting when trying to start cpanel? |
| 05:03.27 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.79.37.177) |
| 05:04.26 | Coweater | !paste |
| 05:04.26 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 05:06.06 | clientxs | when i try and install DBD::mysql through cpan i also receive a; |
| 05:06.06 | clientxs | Can't exec "mysql_config": No such file or directory at Makefile.PL line 76 |
| 05:06.28 | clientxs | i've downloaded the latest client mysql source compiled and installed it |
| 05:06.39 | clientxs | cpan should try and search for mysql_config however it can't seem to locate it |
| 05:06.59 | clientxs | i was thinking if try and symlink the mysql_config from the client source i downloaded and compile to work with cpan would that work? |
| 05:07.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:07.18 | *** join/#debian neqael (i=neqael@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x791B2A70) |
| 05:07.18 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:09.43 | mhall | clientxs: why the FUCK are you installing this fucking many source packages on debian |
| 05:10.05 | mhall | clientxs: there is about no reason on earth you'd need or want to compile something like mysql from source |
| 05:10.25 | mhall | clientxs: for the love of christ, go on packages.d.o and download the proper packages with aptitude |
| 05:10.37 | mhall | clientxs: only if that doesn't work, then maybe consider compiling |
| 05:10.41 | *** join/#debian Makenai (n=pawel@12.176.132.128) |
| 05:10.53 | mhall | clientxs: compiling is a very bad reflex for solving problems in UNIX; it will usually cause more |
| 05:11.10 | mhall | clientxs: the key is controlling your variables and trying the simplest fix which makes the fewest changes first |
| 05:11.27 | mhall | clientxs: then maybe if that fails miserably, that's when you might consider something like compilation |
| 05:12.15 | clientxs | mhall could i get you to join #paster please |
| 05:12.57 | keram | how do i get java 1.6? |
| 05:14.30 | *** join/#debian AfterDea1h (n=AftrDaet@about/copyleft/user/afterdeath) |
| 05:14.33 | *** join/#debian pitillo (n=pitillo@81-202-120-201.user.ono.com) |
| 05:15.10 | DeliPenguen | tarzeau: nerelerdesin üstadım yahu sen girmiyor musun artık debian.tr ye? |
| 05:16.58 | *** join/#debian hooya (n=aaryal@ns1.surveysupport1.com) |
| 05:17.51 | SpeedyG | hey guys, i've got a problem installing sarge... somehow my intel 1Gbit GT NIC isnt detected and therefor it cant install properly :/ |
| 05:18.00 | SpeedyG | any clues on how to solve this? |
| 05:19.21 | *** join/#debian syntaxx_ (n=syntaxx@unaffiliated/syntaxx) |
| 05:19.24 | hooya | try modprove e1000 on a term (i think you can switch to one by hitting Alt-F2 or some such) been a while since i did an install.. |
| 05:19.34 | hooya | sorry, typo, modprobe |
| 05:19.49 | g333k | a free alternative to program in PAscal in Linux? |
| 05:20.02 | *** join/#debian UniXor (n=fdsfsdfa@MTL-HSE-ppp160123.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 05:20.02 | *** join/#debian b0xii (n=b0xii@cpe-70-116-68-157.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 05:20.18 | UniXor | hi, i just recently compiled a programs..and it seem not support over 1024 connection.. |
| 05:20.22 | UniXor | someone have an idea |
| 05:20.24 | SpeedyG | it asks to select a driver.. but selecting the e1000 driver doesnt work either |
| 05:20.29 | UniXor | debian seem to block at 1024 max connection |
| 05:20.53 | dondelelcaro | UniXor: that's just the default maximum number of open files. You can increase it rather trivially |
| 05:21.15 | mhall | SpeedyG: yeah the GT has a seperate driver on Windows from e1000 |
| 05:21.18 | Fox_1_ | I have a problem with courier-imap. My emails exim store in ~/Maildir. courier-imap get mails from where, but when i (my clients) use email client(outlook express ..) it show that i have, for example 5 new emails, but does not show in the inbox folder. |
| 05:21.23 | mhall | SpeedyG: so probably it's different on linux too |
| 05:21.37 | UniXor | (dondelelcaro): ok if i increse the open files. and reocmpile the programs |
| 05:21.42 | mhall | SpeedyG: i don't know what one it is though cause i been lucky enough only to have other e1000s that work |
| 05:21.49 | UniXor | dondelelcaro= i shoudl be able to have more conenction.. |
| 05:21.52 | UniXor | ? |
| 05:21.57 | UniXor | sorry for color :/ |
| 05:22.01 | UniXor | its my script x( |
| 05:22.26 | dondelelcaro | UniXor: no recompilation necessary; you just need to increase it. See ulimit |
| 05:23.39 | *** join/#debian kryptoz (n=kryptoz@221.135.191.222) |
| 05:23.42 | UniXor | ok |
| 05:23.56 | mhall | SpeedyG: other thing, better get a new fuckin installer in case something's weird: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/current/ or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i/current/ |
| 05:24.56 | hooya | dondelelcaro, wasn't there a config file for defaulting values for ulimit ? |
| 05:25.08 | dondelelcaro | hooya: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 05:25.20 | hooya | ahha thanks |
| 05:25.42 | mhall | SpeedyG: i had funky problems with older installers on my gigabit tigon3 card |
| 05:25.52 | mhall | SpeedyG: i think 1G drivers are not real stable yet |
| 05:26.22 | hooya | i've been using tg3 without problems so far. for over a year.. |
| 05:26.50 | mhall | hooya: not on my NetExtreme you haven't |
| 05:26.55 | UniXor | dondelelcaro = the ulimit is currently at unlimited |
| 05:26.57 | mhall | hooya: sure it works fine on older TG3 |
| 05:27.03 | dondelelcaro | UniXor: ulimit -a; |
| 05:27.05 | UniXor | dondelelcaro = i dont think thats the problem |
| 05:27.12 | hooya | altho i can't seem to figure out what having the firmware does for me that it otherwise wouldn't |
| 05:27.13 | dondelelcaro | open files (-n) 1024 <-- |
| 05:27.15 | mhall | hooya: but try a real new one and it gets funky unless you use 2.6.17 or 2.6.18 usually |
| 05:27.19 | UniXor | oh |
| 05:27.20 | UniXor | sorry |
| 05:27.23 | mhall | hooya: i didn't try the firmware |
| 05:27.50 | SpeedyG | mhall: sid was unstable and etch was testing right?? |
| 05:28.23 | UniXor | do i need to restart the application... after setitng the new ulimit -n ? |
| 05:28.25 | hooya | hmmm... not really on the upgrade hamster wheel for the production boxes so haven't tried out recent stuff... |
| 05:28.32 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@zr198.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 05:28.41 | SpeedyG | and what is advisable, amd64 or i386 (machine has an amd64 cpu) |
| 05:28.53 | *** part/#debian Angel_SL (n=angelsl@cm69.sigma13.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 05:29.06 | *** join/#debian Angel-SL (n=angelsl@pdpc/supporter/student/Angel-SL) |
| 05:29.12 | dondelelcaro | UniXor: yerp; assuming that it's actually hitting that ulimit, and not one of the underlying open file limits of libc... (like file_nr) |
| 05:30.02 | k-man_ | what's a good wiki software to use that is apt-get'able |
| 05:30.05 | k-man_ | ? |
| 05:30.13 | k-man_ | for an internal wiki |
| 05:30.23 | dondelelcaro | ikiwiki, apt-cache search wiki;... |
| 05:30.30 | k-man_ | ah |
| 05:30.31 | k-man_ | good idea |
| 05:32.33 | *** join/#debian Locke0 (n=asdf@OFSfb-03p3-45.ppp11.odn.ad.jp) |
| 05:34.07 | *** join/#debian evilsmile (n=evil@202.153.87.157) |
| 05:34.32 | *** join/#debian aao_pwner|oper (n=aao_pwne@c-24-21-91-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:34.49 | *** join/#debian odla (n=lontra@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 05:36.35 | hooya | if anyone uses matrox pherialia cards here, what driver do you use? |
| 05:37.16 | kingsley | hooya: Have you searched google's index? |
| 05:39.48 | SpeedyG | hey guys, i'm no beginner, but no expert either.. wanna use debian on my desktop, whats advisable... sid/etch, and amd64/i386 (machine has an amd64 cpu) |
| 05:41.35 | *** join/#debian Libertarian (n=yeehaw@c-24-16-94-62.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 05:42.15 | Libertarian | whats the other irc server that debian uses |
| 05:42.19 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: any of those, what you can handle |
| 05:42.31 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ read manuals and documentation, !UTSL |
| 05:42.35 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 05:42.35 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 05:42.41 | tarzeau | Libertarian: irc.debian.org (oftc) |
| 05:42.51 | Libertarian | thanks! |
| 05:42.57 | *** join/#debian zms (n=zms@202.53.8.22) |
| 05:42.59 | tarzeau | no wonder debian doesn't release in time http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 05:43.12 | hooya | ah, yes. many times. i've even figured out how to use the card. using matroxs' binary drivers that i have to compile everytime there's an update to xorg. wanted to have a chat with a *person* to see if there was a better way. sorry about the tone, and it's not really your fault but every time i want to ask others how they do something (after a thorough research - including google) i get "Location: google.com". yes i realize google exists. thanks fo |
| 05:43.12 | hooya | r pointing it out. now, if anyone has used matrox phirelia cards, i'd love to hear how you got it working... |
| 05:43.24 | *** join/#debian munga (n=munga@pulp.rsise.anu.edu.au) |
| 05:43.31 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: yeah ok... but whats the reason to use, or not use an amd64 distro on a machine? |
| 05:43.46 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: debian has an amd64 distro? |
| 05:43.54 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: some software won't work (not much) |
| 05:44.02 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: people use them for number crunching |
| 05:44.15 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: you'll want 64bit cpus also for more memory |
| 05:44.41 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: etch and sid have amd64 isos |
| 05:44.46 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: yes, so? |
| 05:45.19 | SpeedyG | so yes, there's an amd64 distro (at least, if I understand correctly) |
| 05:45.34 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: yes there is |
| 05:46.06 | *** join/#debian damosu (n=damosu@unaffiliated/damosu) |
| 05:46.45 | Fox_1_ | I have a problem with courier-imap. My emails exim store in ~/Maildir. courier-imap get mails from where, but when i (my clients) use email client(outlook express ..) it show that i have, for example 5 new emails, but does not show in the inbox folder. |
| 05:49.24 | *** join/#debian Zesty (n=zest@user-3e888509.telcl22.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 05:50.50 | *** join/#debian soapee01 (n=james@71.90.165.128) |
| 05:52.11 | soapee01 | generic question: anyone know of a relatively good video editing package that will let you crop sections without converting to DV or some other format (like Kino). I know these progs are still in there infancy, but I was hoping there was something I didn't gogle right. |
| 05:53.39 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@82.183.196.76) |
| 05:54.43 | Agrajag- | soapee01: might want to take a look at http://diva-project.org/ - taht's one of their goals, dont know how far they've got |
| 05:54.56 | *** join/#debian jaxadmrl (i=davutz@207-255-47-031-dhcp.jst.pa.atlanticbb.net) |
| 05:57.14 | soapee01 | thanks for the pointer.... I'll keep an eye on them. |
| 05:58.33 | soapee01 | argggggggg. kino kills. takes forever to render a 2 minute mjpg from my camera to a dv file... |
| 05:59.16 | SpeedyG | what's etch' default kernel? 2.6? |
| 05:59.45 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: do you mean the new beta installer? |
| 05:59.58 | SpeedyG | the one I just downloaded |
| 06:01.45 | Fox_1_ | when i am logging in imap what permissions i have? |
| 06:02.02 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: not to be a jerk, but which one did you download? Sarge installer comes with 2.4 by default (2.6 available), and Etch's installer (check the dailies) is a 2.6 kernel. The default etch kernel doesn't seem to have frozen yet, since mine keeps getting upgraded. |
| 06:02.39 | Fox_1_ | the problem is courier-imad couldn't read messages files which exim write |
| 06:03.21 | *** join/#debian dewey (n=dewey@c-67-168-51-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 06:04.12 | SpeedyG | i've downloaded it from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i/current/ |
| 06:04.24 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: that probably doesn't help much, but fwiw, 2.6.16-2 2.6.17-2 2.6.18-1 are all in Etch currently. |
| 06:04.46 | soapee01 | have you installed yet? |
| 06:05.02 | SpeedyG | hah, I wish |
| 06:05.08 | SpeedyG | the crapper wont detect my nic |
| 06:05.16 | *** join/#debian Fox_1_ (n=Ebless@dsl236-46.netsys.am) |
| 06:05.21 | soapee01 | It's been a few months since I did a daily, but IIRC it was 2.6.12 |
| 06:05.23 | SpeedyG | thats why I downloaded etch, to see if it'd work in the latest |
| 06:05.56 | SpeedyG | onboard nic doesnt work, and the intel 1000GT doesnt work either |
| 06:06.06 | SpeedyG | so I guess i'm stuck with ubuntu for the time being |
| 06:06.09 | SpeedyG | since deb wont install |
| 06:06.29 | liable | hrm, doubt ubuntu has a newer kernel than the latest etch installer |
| 06:06.35 | soapee01 | What's your NIC? |
| 06:06.42 | SpeedyG | probably not, but it does work with my nic |
| 06:06.48 | SpeedyG | soapee01: intel 1000GT |
| 06:07.00 | soapee01 | I'm 100% certain that should work. |
| 06:07.01 | liable | they might have added the driver i guess. |
| 06:07.06 | soapee01 | I've installed with that on Sarge. |
| 06:07.24 | SpeedyG | stupid thing is, on this machine.. it works perfectly |
| 06:07.35 | SpeedyG | but it has a custom kernel |
| 06:08.17 | *** join/#debian Kim^J (n=Hagbard@firewall1.driftbolaget.se) |
| 06:08.27 | SpeedyG | soapee01: the 1000GTs appear to be different from all other 1000s, and also appear to need other drivers.. thats why its not detected during the install |
| 06:08.47 | soapee01 | hmmmmm. |
| 06:09.00 | *** join/#debian clocker (n=clocker@mrrsmb01bb2-ac01-63-30.dial.mts.net) |
| 06:09.02 | *** join/#debian freespace (i=steve@60-240-2-164-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) |
| 06:09.15 | soapee01 | during the install you should be able to open up another console (ctrl+alt+f2) |
| 06:09.30 | SpeedyG | yep, did that |
| 06:09.34 | soapee01 | can't remember if uname -r is available, but that should tell you what the kernel is |
| 06:09.48 | k-man_ | is unstable = etch? |
| 06:09.55 | SpeedyG | sid = unstable iirc |
| 06:09.58 | soapee01 | unstable = sid |
| 06:10.03 | SpeedyG | etch = testing |
| 06:10.06 | k-man_ | oh |
| 06:10.17 | soapee01 | I' |
| 06:10.31 | soapee01 | m running etch now, but I installed from potato or woody (can't remember) |
| 06:10.58 | SpeedyG | i'm running sarge on my server.. no problems with the e1000 combined with the GT card |
| 06:11.10 | SpeedyG | stupid desktop machine wont detect the crapper :( |
| 06:11.18 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: the newer ones aren't supported by debian kernels |
| 06:11.28 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: just use the one in 2.6.18+ or e1000.sf.net |
| 06:11.40 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua_ (n=anapi@AMarseille-153-1-40-186.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 06:12.03 | *** join/#debian syntaxx__ (n=syntaxx@124.6.185.245) |
| 06:13.06 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: how can I make it use that at the installation? because i've tried to use the cd that came with the cards (and the linux driver on there) but it doenst just 'read and install' does it? |
| 06:13.12 | *** join/#debian tralala (n=joro@unaffiliated/tralala) |
| 06:13.14 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: if uname -r isn't available, you could always cat /proc/version. This would let you compile your own module (and load from disk). It'd probably be easiest to wait for it to be fixed (file a bug report), or get another NIC (or even stay with ubuntu, it's a fine distro). |
| 06:13.26 | tenzing_ | hi ... i cannot activate my wireless adapter in my laptop in debian ... help .. |
| 06:14.33 | SubStack | insufficient information, please elaborate |
| 06:15.00 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: you've got the netinstall chicken egg problem... no driver, can't download enough to get the kernel you need. Been there many times. |
| 06:15.23 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: no real resolution that I've found, other than get a cheapo NIC or wait. |
| 06:15.24 | *** join/#debian blindvt_ (n=bf@M971P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 06:15.36 | tenzing_ | SubStack: debain doesnt seem to detect my wireless adapter ... do i need to install some specific packages for that? |
| 06:15.50 | SubStack | most definately |
| 06:16.02 | amphi | tenzing_: what card? |
| 06:16.17 | SpeedyG | soapee01: downloading etch-dvd and install from dvd, then compile a new kernel, possible workaround? :) |
| 06:17.17 | tenzing_ | amphi: cisco aironet 340 |
| 06:17.41 | *** join/#debian d0ug (n=asdf@250-54.customer.cloud9.net) |
| 06:17.42 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: if you can get it to work, then sure! I haven't messed with it in several months, and it didn't then. |
| 06:17.46 | tenzing_ | SubStack: what packages do i need to install |
| 06:18.20 | amphi | tenzing_: no idea about that one, sorry |
| 06:18.36 | *** join/#debian mesut (n=power@unaffiliated/mesut) |
| 06:18.36 | munga | is there anybody that can explain to me how to use darcs-buildpackage ? |
| 06:18.56 | mesut | hi,isnt debian for sparc splitted into 32 bit and 64bit ? |
| 06:18.58 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: I was using amd64; however, so ymmv (and I hope it does). btw, you shouldn't need more than the first CD. |
| 06:18.59 | *** join/#debian yure (n=yure@dhcp-212-235-229-194.sd.uni-lj.si) |
| 06:19.35 | tenzing_ | amphi: its ok |
| 06:19.37 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: That should get you a base system (no gui). Note, I mean the first FULL CD (not businesscard or netinst). |
| 06:19.39 | SpeedyG | soapee01: ok, i'll just download that |
| 06:19.43 | SpeedyG | yeah |
| 06:19.52 | SpeedyG | the one from this dir: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 06:20.55 | *** join/#debian Rothgar (n=admin@ppp224-115.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net) |
| 06:20.57 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: yep, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-binary-1.iso |
| 06:21.06 | *** join/#debian reZo (n=reZo@124.197.20.252) |
| 06:21.16 | SpeedyG | hehe, eta 2 minutes ;) |
| 06:21.24 | SpeedyG | incomming at 4MB/s |
| 06:21.35 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: IIRC, the first CD has the linux-kernel packages on it (it's been a while), and 2.6.18 is there already. |
| 06:21.54 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: I want whatever you're on. |
| 06:22.01 | SubStack | tenzing_: http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/tablebuild.pl/aironet-utils-linux |
| 06:22.15 | SubStack | there's some password prompt though |
| 06:22.27 | SpeedyG | soapee01: 100Mbit full duplex student connection :) |
| 06:22.39 | *** join/#debian huangzuobin (n=huangzuo@218.193.126.179) |
| 06:23.02 | liable | bastard! |
| 06:23.13 | SubStack | cisco is evil like that |
| 06:23.14 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: sweet, all we had was 33.3kps in my day (and that wasn't very long ago). |
| 06:23.25 | SpeedyG | soapee01: thats what I started with as well :D |
| 06:23.31 | SpeedyG | (at my parents home) |
| 06:23.48 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: that's what I used to telnet into the college mailserver. |
| 06:23.49 | tenzing_ | how do i see whether my kernel has CONFIG_NET_RADIO enabled or not ... |
| 06:23.58 | SpeedyG | but this 100Mbit has only given me luxury issues |
| 06:24.07 | SpeedyG | had to upgrade my internal network from 100Mbit to 1Gbit :p |
| 06:24.18 | tralala | tenzing_, grep <option> /boot/config-<kernel_version> |
| 06:24.58 | tralala | the sarge x86 kernel has it on |
| 06:25.15 | soapee01 | tenzing_: cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep -i CONFIG_NET_RADIO |
| 06:26.07 | SpeedyG | burning, time for a shower :D |
| 06:26.09 | soapee01 | tenzing_: it should say 'y' |
| 06:26.31 | tenzing_ | SubStack: that cisco page seems to be password protected.. |
| 06:26.41 | SubStack | yes, very odd |
| 06:26.56 | tenzing_ | soapee01, tralala ... thanks ... its says y |
| 06:27.02 | tralala | !uuoc soapee01 |
| 06:27.22 | SubStack | here we go |
| 06:27.24 | SubStack | http://airo-linux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:27.36 | soapee01 | tralala: there's no such thing. |
| 06:27.48 | tralala | soapee01, okay |
| 06:29.41 | soapee01 | tralala: I know I could've just grepped the file, but I like cat dammit. |
| 06:30.13 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 06:30.17 | *** join/#debian c0n (n=nocfed@host86-136-144-244.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) |
| 06:30.19 | tralala | soapee01, you are certainly allowed to have preferences |
| 06:30.23 | soapee01 | tralala, if it makes it any better, I was looking for the compressed config file (and zcat) in /proc |
| 06:31.09 | *** join/#debian mike (n=mike@ip-58-28-136-161.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 06:31.10 | soapee01 | tralala: please don't point out zgrep now (I just found it). |
| 06:31.25 | tralala | soapee01, heh, I was just about to do it ;) |
| 06:32.34 | *** join/#debian zamaliphe (n=zam@196.218.38.141) |
| 06:33.06 | *** join/#debian AR (n=Akarak@itk1.bas-net.by) |
| 06:33.12 | zamaliphe | nvidia |
| 06:33.37 | soapee01 | tralala: I haven't had any tobacco in 3 days (or nicotine) . I'm using that as my excuse. |
| 06:34.07 | tralala | soapee01, boy I haven't had any for much longer than 3 days! ;) |
| 06:34.22 | *** join/#debian cougar` (n=Rick@c-68-45-214-101.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 06:34.31 | soapee01 | tralala: yeah, but I've had some for 10 years everyday. |
| 06:35.01 | *** join/#debian Alam_Debian (n=Alam@c-24-218-227-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 06:35.02 | tralala | soapee01, oh well. How is it going so far (besides making you use cat)? |
| 06:35.26 | tralala | zamaliphe: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 06:36.02 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@h126n1fls34o998.telia.com) |
| 06:36.02 | *** join/#debian man (n=gehidore@69-10-193-97.localaccess.com) |
| 06:36.09 | *** join/#debian MelkorD (n=morgoth@eha202.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 06:36.19 | soapee01 | tralala: day three isn't so bad. Day 1 and 2, well ... ask my users and wife (or not). The jack is helping out today (and apparently assisting in the facilitation of cats... my dog is surely disappointed =) |
| 06:36.31 | man | how can I add 2.6.18.1 to apt so it stops complaining about 2.6.16-2 not being installed? |
| 06:36.33 | zamaliphe | tralala: ok i did thanks |
| 06:36.42 | tralala | zamaliphe: you're welcome |
| 06:37.07 | *** join/#debian SkareCrow (n=SkareCro@unaffiliated/skarecrow) |
| 06:37.13 | tralala | man: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 06:37.26 | man | I was hoping there was something better than equivs |
| 06:37.28 | *** part/#debian freespace (i=steve@60-240-2-164-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) |
| 06:37.56 | tralala | soapee01, hehe :) Well, keep going! |
| 06:38.17 | tralala | there could be |
| 06:38.17 | SkareCrow | is there some type of software or something i can get for iptables that allows me to connect to it via web browser. something easy to work with. kinda like SWAT for samba or something.. |
| 06:38.51 | man | problem is module assistant then tries to grab linux-headers-2.6.18.1 which don't exist |
| 06:39.00 | man | I an/redraw |
| 06:39.02 | man | woops |
| 06:39.19 | tralala | symlink it |
| 06:39.42 | man | symlink 2.6.18.1 to ~ 2.6.16-2? |
| 06:40.17 | tralala | SkareCrow, shorewall is supposed to be easier than using iptables directly. It doesn't have web interface though. |
| 06:40.34 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: If it has to be via web browser possibly webmin, but there are several gui interfaces (guarddog, firestarter) |
| 06:40.41 | tralala | man, no symlink linux-headers-2.6.18.1 to your kernel sources |
| 06:40.45 | SkareCrow | i would like something with some type of UI, i am looking at guarddog right now |
| 06:40.49 | man | ohh |
| 06:40.55 | man | good point |
| 06:41.04 | man | I'll try it out |
| 06:41.08 | SpeedyG | soapee01: you wont believe this... the full install detects my NIC :/ |
| 06:41.08 | SkareCrow | my server is down stairs, i only use SSH |
| 06:41.13 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: If you're looking for any GUI that's easy, they all suck. |
| 06:41.20 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: SWEEEEEEEET |
| 06:41.24 | *** join/#debian XaMaD (n=madmax@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-241-229.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 06:41.43 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 06:41.44 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: ssh -X yourserver |
| 06:41.50 | *** join/#debian blindvt_ (n=bf@M805P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 06:41.54 | SkareCrow | i dont care if they suck, just something better then all text right now. i learn faster with a UI |
| 06:42.02 | SkareCrow | soapee01: i dont have X installed |
| 06:42.05 | SkareCrow | and dont want to install it |
| 06:42.12 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: understood |
| 06:42.41 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: lokkit doesn't completely suck (but it mostly does). |
| 06:42.50 | SkareCrow | i use SWAT for samba and SWAT has helped me understand samba configurations alot better |
| 06:43.05 | tralala | SkareCrow, configuring iptables is not an easy thing though and a better interface could make it somewhat faster but it will not make it any easier |
| 06:43.13 | zamaliphe | i get Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! |
| 06:43.36 | SkareCrow | based on what i had before and entrys i make i can understand the config alot more |
| 06:43.48 | SkareCrow | im a very graphical kind of person. i suck at reading. |
| 06:43.55 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: lokkit is a command line 'gui'. I can't speak for SWAT since I hated it. I'd rather just edit the config file. |
| 06:44.02 | SkareCrow | you give me a book without pictures i dont understand it. you give me a book with pictures i understand it |
| 06:44.02 | tralala | zamaliphe, are you on etch? |
| 06:44.08 | tenzing_ | how are wireless adapters named .. i mean like its eth0 and eth1 etc for ethernet cards ? |
| 06:44.25 | man | wlan iirc |
| 06:44.30 | soapee01 | tenzing_ sometimes ath0, sometimes wlan0 sometimes other things. |
| 06:44.32 | SkareCrow | soapee01: but i used SWAT to learn how to configure samba rather then reading the man pages for samba |
| 06:44.33 | man | but it depends on what you load it with |
| 06:44.41 | man | ath0 for atheros cards ... |
| 06:44.42 | zamaliphe | tralala: i have install etch then upgrade it to sid ? |
| 06:44.45 | tralala | SkareCrow, the complexity of iptables doesn't compare to samba |
| 06:44.52 | SkareCrow | i would use SWAT then check out the config files and see wxactly what it did |
| 06:45.10 | SkareCrow | im sure it doesnt, samba is really easy and so was learning it |
| 06:45.23 | *** join/#debian ebola (n=unsure@sw69x3.foto.gu.se) |
| 06:45.36 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: I understand (and identify) with what you're saying. Firestarter used to be an easy way to accomplish the rule writing (but they complicated it IMHO). |
| 06:45.45 | tralala | zamaliphe, oh, I can't help with sid |
| 06:46.06 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: Lokkit is a command line tool to help you here, but it's not going to be as sophisticated as SWAT. |
| 06:46.06 | zamaliphe | tralala: whay ? |
| 06:46.30 | tralala | zamaliphe, I don't run sid and I don't have any experience with it |
| 06:46.47 | zamaliphe | tralala: ok |
| 06:47.34 | *** join/#debian coros (n=coros@81-232-125-166-no20.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 06:47.37 | SpeedyG | soapee01: lokkit is scary :P |
| 06:47.47 | *** join/#debian CcSsNET (n=ccssnet@c-24-147-193-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 06:47.54 | SpeedyG | it says 'red hat' during install somewhere (dunno exactly where.. but it does) |
| 06:48.04 | man | heh |
| 06:49.29 | *** part/#debian zms (n=zms@202.53.8.22) |
| 06:50.21 | tralala | SpeedyG, you'll have to excuse redhat for thier boldness to write opensource software |
| 06:50.52 | *** part/#debian mesut (n=power@unaffiliated/mesut) |
| 06:50.54 | soapee01 | SpeedyG: I concur. It sucks ( I even said that b4 I recommended it). But w/o X, I don't see an alternative |
| 06:51.18 | *** join/#debian freebsd_fan (n=unsure@sw69x3.foto.gu.se) |
| 06:51.23 | *** join/#debian Konfuzen (n=Konfuzen@60-241-129-244.tpgi.com.au) |
| 06:51.30 | Konfuzen | what is the command used to spider the contents of a website |
| 06:51.32 | Konfuzen | ? |
| 06:51.44 | SpeedyG | soapee01: no easy alternative no |
| 06:52.00 | SpeedyG | i'm messing around with iptables for quite a while allready... and still dont get much of it |
| 06:52.17 | soapee01 | SpeedyG SkareCrow: kmyfirewall just got upgraded in etch. It's looking a little better. |
| 06:52.41 | litage | i'm trying to store a path containing a space in an env var, but i can't seem to use the var properly. any suggestions?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CtpB3G45.html |
| 06:52.54 | *** join/#debian zms (n=zms@202.53.8.22) |
| 06:53.06 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: you could use an X GUI it to write the rules (and init scripts) from your desktop, and manually scp them to the server |
| 06:53.07 | SkareCrow | i dont have any type of GUI stuff installed on this server |
| 06:53.23 | SkareCrow | i found this thing called turtle firewall |
| 06:53.23 | SpeedyG | btw, in order to add some weird idea to linux, why not name the wlan connections wth :P |
| 06:53.30 | SkareCrow | that has a web ui |
| 06:53.48 | SkareCrow | i think im going to install it and see what i can do |
| 06:53.54 | *** part/#debian Bushmills (n=l@wpc3131.amenworld.com) |
| 06:54.05 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: let us know... I'm looking for a good one too for my server. |
| 06:54.20 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: especially that handles NFS in an easy manner. |
| 06:54.24 | SkareCrow | it doesnt look "to good" |
| 06:54.29 | SkareCrow | but it looks like something |
| 06:54.29 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 06:54.32 | *** join/#debian Anbidian (i=never@S0106000fb09cff56.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 06:54.33 | SkareCrow | http://www.turtlefirewall.com/ |
| 06:54.50 | *** join/#debian motp (n=motp@83.236.181.13) |
| 06:55.04 | *** join/#debian User574 (n=User@181.megacom.speede.com) |
| 06:55.22 | *** join/#debian fwd (n=fwd@mm-83-150-57-86.adsl.mgts.by) |
| 06:55.23 | zms | I am getting weird error while removing nvidia-glx on sid: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4128 can someone please take a look? |
| 06:56.20 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: do you have a linux desktop? |
| 06:56.42 | SkareCrow | no |
| 06:56.42 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=fireba11@145.253.117.242) |
| 06:56.44 | SkareCrow | i have nothing |
| 06:57.20 | *** join/#debian svalvolo (n=lol@82.52.171.85) |
| 06:57.46 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: What's your aversion to X on the server. It doesn't need to run unless you need it (eg configuring firewall rules). Even the firewall gets started from an init script (no X necessary). |
| 06:58.10 | SkareCrow | what do you mean.... |
| 06:58.27 | dondelelcaro | zms: the diversion put in place by nvidia-glx is busted; you'll have to add an exit 0 to the top of nvidia-glx's postrm script. (/var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-glx.postrm) |
| 06:58.46 | dondelelcaro | zms: then run dpkg-divert --list; as root and report the output. |
| 06:58.47 | zamaliphe | i get the error on the "module-assistant, interactive mode" the error is "Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed!" |
| 06:59.10 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 06:59.10 | *** join/#debian jindal (i=jmweg@h678631.serverkompetenz.net) |
| 06:59.13 | zms | zamaliphe: thanks. will report back. |
| 06:59.59 | *** join/#debian tempso (n=tempso@59.46.131.37) |
| 07:00.17 | dondelelcaro | zamaliphe: that's not there error, that's just telling you that it failed. |
| 07:00.20 | dondelelcaro | s/there/the/ |
| 07:00.21 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: I mean that potentially, apt-get install kmyfirewall, '# startx', run kmyfirewall, logout of x, might solve your problem. You can install X from debian in a manner in which it doesn't start at reboot (in fact that's the default). It will only come up if you install xdm, kdm or gdm. |
| 07:00.52 | SkareCrow | what part of i dont have X installed do you not understand? |
| 07:00.53 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 07:01.05 | SkareCrow | i truely have nothing installed |
| 07:01.08 | zamaliphe | now how can i act install an older ver on newer one the bet ver ? |
| 07:01.13 | man | the part where you don't have X installed ;) |
| 07:01.18 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: apt-get install kmyfirewall should pull in x |
| 07:01.31 | SkareCrow | i dont want to install x at all though |
| 07:01.40 | *** join/#debian PF_ (n=I_AM_I@impactjeh.plus.com) |
| 07:01.44 | SpeedyG | then learn cli-stuff |
| 07:01.50 | *** join/#debian EminEm (n=The_seYt@85.108.145.132) |
| 07:02.04 | SpeedyG | you dont want X, but want graphical stuff |
| 07:02.10 | SpeedyG | either install something web-based, or X |
| 07:02.29 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: or get a Linux Desktop, and copy rules from it to your server (as suggested previously). |
| 07:02.50 | SkareCrow | i just said im installing turtle firewall |
| 07:02.54 | SkareCrow | and even linked to it |
| 07:02.59 | g333k | a Ide for pascal? |
| 07:03.05 | SkareCrow | i asked for a web ui not a gui |
| 07:03.27 | SpeedyG | webmin has iptables interface stuff |
| 07:03.29 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: you also said it sucked. I'm not intending to be offensive, only helpful. |
| 07:03.36 | SkareCrow | thats what i installed |
| 07:03.41 | SkareCrow | tutrtle firewall uses webmin |
| 07:03.49 | SkareCrow | i never said it sucked |
| 07:03.53 | SkareCrow | i said it doesnt look taht good |
| 07:03.56 | SkareCrow | i havnt even used it yet |
| 07:03.58 | SkareCrow | im installing it |
| 07:04.00 | *** part/#debian man (n=gehidore@69-10-193-97.localaccess.com) |
| 07:04.11 | *** join/#debian tomhet (n=tomhet@v1061.ncsrv.de) |
| 07:04.16 | SkareCrow | i also said i aint installing X or anything |
| 07:04.41 | soapee01 | "<SkareCrow> it doesnt look "to good"" |
| 07:04.55 | dondelelcaro | SkareCrow: you don't need to install X on the server. |
| 07:05.03 | dondelelcaro | SkareCrow: it's not like you can't export X to a remote display. |
| 07:05.04 | *** join/#debian k-man_ (n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) |
| 07:05.08 | SkareCrow | yea, i said it doesnt look that good |
| 07:05.12 | SkareCrow | im basing this off of screen shots |
| 07:05.16 | SkareCrow | i never said it sucked |
| 07:05.21 | SkareCrow | i havnt even used it |
| 07:05.22 | dondelelcaro | SkareCrow: then use an editor, or something else. |
| 07:05.34 | SkareCrow | im going to try turtle firewall |
| 07:05.39 | SkareCrow | this is my third time saying this |
| 07:05.42 | SkareCrow | im installing it right now |
| 07:05.44 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro: tell me more. |
| 07:05.57 | dondelelcaro | !tell SkareCrow -about enter |
| 07:06.08 | soapee01 | !tell soapee01 -about enter |
| 07:07.02 | zms | dondelelcaro: that worked! thanks. The output is pasted at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4130. I am not sure if something more needs to be done... |
| 07:07.22 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro: how do you export X to a remote display (or maybe I'm misunderstanding something here.... could be the jack)? |
| 07:07.36 | *** join/#debian niles (n=gamer@neohangout.com) |
| 07:07.42 | niles | hi |
| 07:07.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell soapee01 -about sshx |
| 07:07.54 | niles | how can i view what processes are zombies? |
| 07:08.05 | dondelelcaro | niles: ps axfu|less; check for Z |
| 07:08.13 | niles | ok thanx |
| 07:08.18 | tralala | soapee01, DISPLAY=remote:0 xterm |
| 07:08.20 | *** join/#debian administrator__ (i=administ@nat/cisco/x-17cc82b3193634ef) |
| 07:08.40 | dondelelcaro | zms: ugh. the adobereader-enu package is broken; don't bother using it. |
| 07:08.42 | *** join/#debian khermans (i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-46eb748ec53a5e64) |
| 07:09.04 | tralala | a few options need to be configured on the remote X in order for this to work |
| 07:09.51 | opensea | tempso, 呵呵 |
| 07:10.07 | niles | dondelelcaro: what column name will there be a Z under? |
| 07:10.12 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro, tralala: you're just talking about ssh -X. I thought you had some cadywumpus way of running X programs on a remote machine where x isn't installed at all. |
| 07:10.15 | niles | C ? |
| 07:10.16 | SkareCrow | well thats no google, turtle firewall already locked me out of my box |
| 07:10.17 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 07:10.23 | tempso | opensea, å‘µå‘µï¼Œä½ å¥½ |
| 07:10.24 | SkareCrow | wow s/google/good |
| 07:10.25 | dondelelcaro | niles: the STAT column |
| 07:10.25 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 07:10.29 | niles | ok thanx pal |
| 07:10.36 | dondelelcaro | niles: you generally won't see zombies, and even if you do, there's no reason to worry about them. |
| 07:10.50 | dondelelcaro | (unless you wrote the code that is creating them, or there are thousands of them) |
| 07:10.50 | opensea | tempso, 好啊~ |
| 07:11.22 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro, tralala: the jack might be affecting somehting now... maybe I should go cat something =) |
| 07:11.40 | dondelelcaro | soapee01: uh... ssh -X; is a way of running X programs from a remote machine which doesn't have X installed at all. |
| 07:11.43 | *** join/#debian ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 07:11.44 | tralala | :) |
| 07:12.10 | zms | dondelelcaro: thanks again. |
| 07:12.19 | tralala | but it has to have some xlibs installed |
| 07:12.25 | dondelelcaro | sure, but xlibs are not X. |
| 07:12.33 | dondelelcaro | zms: np; you still need to clean up the dpkg-divert though. |
| 07:12.42 | *** join/#debian zamaliphe (n=zam@196.218.38.141) |
| 07:13.16 | dondelelcaro | zms: for each of the diversions by nvidia-glx; you'll have to run dpkg-divert --package nvidia-glx --remove /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2; FE. |
| 07:13.18 | SkareCrow | lol, turtle firewall just owned me. locked me out of the box and i dont know anything about iptables to make it so i can turn it off. |
| 07:13.43 | dondelelcaro | s/--remove/--rename --remove/ |
| 07:13.58 | tralala | SkareCrow, it's not as if nobody has warned you... |
| 07:14.03 | g333k | Hello what do I need to install to program in pascal in linux? |
| 07:14.21 | SkareCrow | no one told me turtle firewall was going to lock out any connections besides people on that server |
| 07:14.23 | tralala | g333k, a text editor |
| 07:14.33 | g333k | tralala, I want a IDE |
| 07:14.45 | SkareCrow | it left my root shell open. but all other shells were just killed that werent root |
| 07:14.52 | dondelelcaro | g333k: you don't need an IDE; there aren't any that are good for pascal anymore. |
| 07:14.54 | SkareCrow | trying to use links to edit it |
| 07:15.01 | dondelelcaro | (well, save for the IDE called emacs) |
| 07:15.21 | dondelelcaro | the last good IDE for pascal was Think Pascal, and they stopped developing that well over a decade ago. |
| 07:15.37 | soapee01 | SkareCrow: iptables --flush |
| 07:15.40 | g333k | what about free pascal? |
| 07:15.46 | zamaliphe | thanks guys i have know my error the error that the kernel have been upgrade in the installation and i should use the new kernel befor complite the nvidia kernel compilling |
| 07:16.00 | tomhet | ...I don't even see a reason for coding pascal |
| 07:16.39 | tralala | SkareCrow, that's the prise you pay for learning iptables the "easy" way |
| 07:16.45 | niles | tomaw: whats wrong with pascal |
| 07:16.47 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@24-176-42-53.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com) |
| 07:16.50 | dondelelcaro | g333k: you're really better off finding an editor that you like, and using gdb, make, and gpc. |
| 07:16.50 | jindal | hullo guys, am trying to install lxr..... ab able to get the links of blurb and Browse the Code working but its showing "This directory does not exist." in place where it shd show the source... |
| 07:16.50 | niles | well im a C and python guy |
| 07:16.54 | g333k | tomhet, ask my university.... at least I already passed that courses |
| 07:16.56 | zamaliphe | but dos the "PCI:1:0:0" meen the AGp i'm in the most important step ? |
| 07:17.04 | *** join/#debian mhall (n=mhall@c-67-166-156-193.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 07:17.11 | *** part/#debian tempso (n=tempso@59.46.131.37) |
| 07:17.22 | dondelelcaro | since make, gdb, and your editor are the same no matter what language you use. |
| 07:17.35 | g333k | dondelelcaro, does vi have marke up syntax? |
| 07:17.37 | dondelelcaro | (and learning and mastering an editor (or two) will save you loads and loads of time) |
| 07:17.41 | dondelelcaro | g333k: yes. |
| 07:17.45 | dondelelcaro | well, vim does. |
| 07:17.51 | tomhet | g333k: really? that's evil.. i would say the best pascal IDE would be (as for approx one billion other languages) vim |
| 07:18.17 | tralala | tomhet, no need to start an editor war |
| 07:18.34 | g333k | tomhet, is it possible to compile from inside vim? while editing? |
| 07:18.50 | dondelelcaro | g333k: yes, but you're better off writing a makefile, and running make; from a shell. |
| 07:18.53 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: you'll have to patch the kernel |
| 07:18.54 | tomhet | g333k, if you have a makefile, just type :make |
| 07:18.59 | tralala | g333k, yes, check #vim for better help |
| 07:19.02 | tomhet | g333k: sry, !make |
| 07:19.14 | *** join/#debian mdo (n=13h7@p508A052E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:19.17 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro: regarding sshx, are suggesting the following scenario (I'm not trying to be dense): Desktop (withX), Server (w/o X), Server - sshx desktop -> run xclock on desktop -> exit or am I missing something really cool here? |
| 07:19.41 | tomhet | tralala: no war, really not.. |
| 07:20.02 | g333k | tomhet, but how does vim will know what compiler to use? also if the code is C or pascal? |
| 07:20.05 | dondelelcaro | soapee01: ssh -X server; run xclock; (or from server ssh desktop; export DISPLAY=:0.0; xclock; (runs on desktop)) |
| 07:20.13 | dondelelcaro | g333k: the makefile tells it |
| 07:20.14 | tralala | g333k, #vim |
| 07:20.29 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: for what? |
| 07:20.43 | dondelelcaro | g333k: this is unix; we solved these problems years ago with make... IDEs have been trying to catch up for ever. |
| 07:20.49 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: e1000? |
| 07:20.53 | SpeedyG | nope |
| 07:20.56 | SpeedyG | it just works now |
| 07:20.57 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro: right, but is there a way to run it on the server (that doesn't have X installed)? I wouldn't think so but please correct. |
| 07:21.00 | SpeedyG | downloaded a full install disk |
| 07:21.03 | zamaliphe | should i use the Use kernel framebuffer device interface? or not ? i'm configuring my xorg after installing nvidia driver ? |
| 07:21.05 | SpeedyG | and that one did detect the e1000 :/ |
| 07:21.26 | tralala | soapee01, the first way runs it on the server and displays it on the desktop |
| 07:21.28 | tomhet | g333k: if you dont have a makefile, just type the compiler command by hand.. in vim :!<compilecommand> |
| 07:21.28 | SpeedyG | and I must say, gnome works quite nice on this desktop :D |
| 07:21.32 | dondelelcaro | soapee01: the first one that I gave will run it on the sever, exporting the display to the desktop |
| 07:21.58 | *** join/#debian Benton (n=Benton@p50894217.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:22.20 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro, tralala: that's pretty damned cool. |
| 07:22.22 | *** join/#debian kyuss (n=kyuss@longview-cuda1-g2-70-36-114-21.losaca.adelphia.net) |
| 07:22.49 | *** join/#debian possie (n=possie@marly.bitrey.nl) |
| 07:23.01 | kyuss | I can't look up the man page for dirent.h even after I put the manpath for /usr/include in manpath |
| 07:23.16 | dondelelcaro | kyuss: uh... /usr/include doesn't have manpages. |
| 07:24.09 | dondelelcaro | kyuss: you probably want man opendir; man closedir; man rewindir; etc. |
| 07:24.21 | kyuss | yea, all the c libs |
| 07:24.23 | dondelelcaro | s/ind/&d/; |
| 07:24.33 | kyuss | O.o |
| 07:24.51 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e (n=kintaro@203.177.138.178) |
| 07:24.59 | dondelelcaro | kyuss: yeah, so install manpages-dev; and man opendir; et al. |
| 07:25.30 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro: do you know a sweet trick for installing xeyes on server without installling Xorg so that it'll run on desktop? I don't see apt working that way with my knowledge base (please correct). |
| 07:25.46 | dondelelcaro | soapee01: you just install xeyes; it'll pull the dependencies that it needs. |
| 07:25.57 | dondelelcaro | soapee01: nothing that it installs is an xserver, it's just a few libraries. |
| 07:26.06 | kyuss | I just reinstalled that |
| 07:26.21 | dondelelcaro | and? |
| 07:26.41 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.79.37.177) |
| 07:26.57 | kyuss | didn't install the manpages for the header files >.< |
| 07:27.14 | dondelelcaro | kyuss: there are no manpages for the header files. |
| 07:27.18 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro: that's good to know. I just assumed it would want an xserver. Pretty sweet actually. |
| 07:27.22 | dondelelcaro | kyuss: there are manpages for the functions in the header files. |
| 07:27.40 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro: thank you for teaching me something new today. |
| 07:27.56 | dondelelcaro | soapee01: np |
| 07:28.10 | dondelelcaro | kyuss: if you want to know what functions a header file defines, just look at it with less... |
| 07:29.17 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro: did you ever find your car? |
| 07:29.35 | dondelelcaro | !tell soapee01 -about meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 07:29.36 | Xorm | How can I block ports? |
| 07:29.44 | tomhet | Xorm: iptables |
| 07:29.49 | Xorm | There was something, I forget what it was called =| |
| 07:29.52 | Xorm | YEAH |
| 07:29.54 | Xorm | that was it. |
| 07:29.58 | tomhet | xorm ;) |
| 07:30.05 | kyuss | Less is More? |
| 07:30.05 | Xorm | thanks =D |
| 07:30.08 | tomhet | np |
| 07:30.10 | *** join/#debian Suprano (n=anonym00@84.245.165.10) |
| 07:30.16 | dondelelcaro | less is better than more. |
| 07:30.30 | tomhet | less is more advanced than more |
| 07:30.47 | kyuss | O.o |
| 07:30.52 | tralala | you have to do more with less! |
| 07:31.03 | dondelelcaro | or at least, you can... |
| 07:32.07 | *** join/#debian Evil_Ed (n=edward@82-47-184-37.stb.ubr02.hali.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 07:32.24 | kyuss | but less dirent.h and more dirent.h display the same thing |
| 07:33.06 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro: not an oracle disciple? Damn you Jack. |
| 07:33.26 | tralala | kyuss, but more does not allow you to go back |
| 07:33.37 | *** join/#debian solars_ (n=Johnny@chello080109141057.tirol.surfer.at) |
| 07:34.30 | *** join/#debian psycodad (n=obiwan@2001:4060:4419:b1:0:0:0:2) |
| 07:35.26 | *** join/#debian nethenson (n=kvirc@57.Red-213-98-99.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:35.29 | kyuss | still... it'd be nice to have those manpages |
| 07:36.33 | kyuss | I was just perusing them yesterday on a fedora system at school |
| 07:36.37 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro: was that correct. I'm a needy b1tch that needs affirmation. |
| 07:36.59 | kyuss | meh, tommorow |
| 07:37.48 | *** part/#debian tomhet (n=tomhet@v1061.ncsrv.de) |
| 07:38.14 | *** join/#debian Pluk (n=Pluk@11-68-dsl.ipact.nl) |
| 07:38.26 | *** join/#debian NLoRD (n=mikeg@83.212.201.17) |
| 07:38.27 | kyuss | so whats new in the land of debian? |
| 07:40.23 | kyuss | O.o you can prototype new methods in a method? |
| 07:41.19 | *** join/#debian mmvs (n=marioval@189.136.195.111) |
| 07:41.32 | *** join/#debian hyper (n=hyper@84-75-65-53.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 07:41.59 | kyuss | Interesting |
| 07:42.04 | kyuss | Um |
| 07:42.07 | hyper | hiho, when will the next stable release published? |
| 07:43.03 | azeem | hyper: maybe december |
| 07:43.21 | hyper | azeem: and an upgrade from sarge shouldn't be a problem? |
| 07:43.27 | kyuss | O.o Gawsh, I just need that silly manpage on sys/stat.h and I'd have this done in a jiffy |
| 07:43.36 | azeem | hyper: as usual, no |
| 07:43.43 | hyper | azeem: cool thx :) |
| 07:43.53 | kyuss | hyper: distro-upgrade works great |
| 07:44.20 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=vihang@gridtutorial15.ba.infn.it) |
| 07:44.42 | *** join/#debian yure (n=yure@BSN-77-157-214.dsl.siol.net) |
| 07:44.49 | kyuss | anybody know an alternative to info_p->st_blocks that will display blocks of 1024 rather than 512? |
| 07:44.53 | kyuss | perchance? possibly? |
| 07:45.01 | hyper | kyuss: I've had my debian server for a bit more than a year now and it came as sarge... so I have not made any dist upgrade yet :) |
| 07:45.19 | kyuss | Well, if its a server... as usual, test on a play machine |
| 07:45.36 | hyper | kyuss: well, I'll do that :) |
| 07:45.49 | *** join/#debian saintiss (n=saintiss@143.129.75.191) |
| 07:45.57 | *** join/#debian scanf (n=bdeck@46.177.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 07:46.49 | kyuss | info_p->st_size shows the file size... I could just do a quick count on that to get the number, but meh |
| 07:48.41 | azeem | kyuss: info libc |
| 07:49.34 | *** part/#debian mmvs (n=marioval@189.136.195.111) |
| 07:49.59 | kyuss | O.o thats like... the complete manual for all the apps I've installed |
| 07:50.00 | azeem | kyuss: it's in glibc-doc-reference in unstable |
| 07:50.17 | azeem | kyuss: then you don't have the libc manual installed yet, see my last line |
| 07:51.55 | *** join/#debian idealm (n=ideal@222.66.106.154) |
| 07:52.31 | *** join/#debian iLLf8d (n=neener@user-0can16l.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 07:52.36 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-174-203.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:52.55 | kyuss | O. O info libc > libc.txt ? |
| 07:52.58 | JJ|Laptop | how can i install from unstable/testing with apt-get? |
| 07:53.18 | kyuss | if you're going to do that... do a distro upgrade |
| 07:53.24 | kyuss | !distro-upgrade |
| 07:53.27 | *** join/#debian tengulre (n=tengulre@221.11.5.182) |
| 07:53.28 | kyuss | non? |
| 07:53.43 | azeem | kyuss: first off, don't encourage people to go to unstable |
| 07:53.45 | Hoxzer | n0n|\|n0n |
| 07:53.46 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e (n=kintaro@203.177.138.178) |
| 07:54.04 | azeem | try to find out *why* they need testing/unstable, and see whether maybe a superior solution exists |
| 07:54.33 | kyuss | all I know is... mixing distros killed my system, of course I was probably doing it wrong... but still |
| 07:54.41 | kyuss | forewarned is forearmed as they say |
| 07:54.44 | JJ|Laptop | azeem: he's talking about distro upgrades |
| 07:55.05 | *** part/#debian chovy (n=Unknown@adsl-75-24-92-65.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 07:55.10 | azeem | JJ|Laptop: so what are you running right now? |
| 07:55.30 | *** join/#debian jcwong (n=catalyst@unaffiliated/jcwong) |
| 07:55.35 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 07:55.36 | predder | I have a system here that doesnt shutdown when I hit the power button, I want this functionality - any suggestions? |
| 07:56.03 | JJ|Laptop | is testing or unstable better? |
| 07:56.10 | iLLf8d | lol |
| 07:56.14 | *** join/#debian floe (n=konversa@i577B1481.versanet.de) |
| 07:56.15 | azeem | JJ|Laptop: that's a nonsensical question |
| 07:56.23 | *** join/#debian Halitherses (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 07:56.24 | JJ|Laptop | yes it is |
| 07:56.25 | iLLf8d | well if they were in a fight testing would win but unstable would kick its ass for a while |
| 07:56.37 | iLLf8d | unstable might get tired and take a dump |
| 07:56.38 | JJ|Laptop | it's different levels of stableness |
| 07:57.25 | predder | testing = more stable than unstable (duh!) and unstable = more features and newer versions of stuff than testing |
| 07:57.41 | iLLf8d | thats in general tho |
| 07:57.43 | JJ|Laptop | ok |
| 07:57.54 | azeem | and unstable == not supported here |
| 07:58.04 | JJ|Laptop | so how can i get testing from apt-get? |
| 07:58.10 | azeem | 09:46 < azeem> JJ|Laptop: so what are you running right now? |
| 07:58.18 | JJ|Laptop | debain |
| 07:58.24 | azeem | which version of debianß |
| 07:58.27 | *** join/#debian g333k (n=g333k@190.41.17.33) |
| 07:58.33 | JJ|Laptop | trying to get http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/torrentflux |
| 07:58.34 | predder | JJ|Laptop, change your /etc/apt/sources.list, every entry that says stable replace with testing |
| 07:58.51 | *** join/#debian asdfasdfasdfasdf (n=Konfuzen@60-241-129-244.tpgi.com.au) |
| 07:59.00 | predder | then do an apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade. Be warned it'll take a while and require a reboot |
| 07:59.09 | predder | well, i'd recommend a reboot :P |
| 07:59.11 | JJ|Laptop | predder: not an os upgrade |
| 07:59.16 | azeem | predder: he's asking about a specific pacakge |
| 07:59.17 | JJ|Laptop | a program install |
| 07:59.30 | predder | oh right, just add that location to sources.list |
| 07:59.40 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:59.50 | *** join/#debian vegiVamp (n=demeersm@unimatrix.skynet.be) |
| 07:59.51 | azeem | JJ|Laptop: why can't you live with another torrent app? |
| 07:59.55 | predder | do an apt-get update and away you go |
| 08:00.04 | azeem | predder: and then? |
| 08:00.15 | JJ|Laptop | azeem: i want to try that one |
| 08:00.17 | predder | i dont know after that - magic iirc? |
| 08:00.19 | iLLf8d | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.28 | azeem | predder: then please do not give advise |
| 08:00.44 | JJ|Laptop | it's a gui front-end |
| 08:00.49 | JJ|Laptop | it uses tornado |
| 08:00.52 | JJ|Laptop | which is stable |
| 08:00.55 | *** join/#debian Kim^J (n=Hagbard@firewall1.driftbolaget.se) |
| 08:01.03 | JJ|Laptop | brb |
| 08:01.03 | *** join/#debian Illarane (n=ben@pdpc/supporter/student/Veratien) |
| 08:01.06 | iLLf8d | JJ|Laptop, yeah I saw the screenie |
| 08:01.10 | JJ|Laptop | toilet |
| 08:01.11 | kyuss | I want eclipse for some strange reason |
| 08:01.22 | kyuss | I mean... kedit is nice and all... |
| 08:01.39 | *** join/#debian war95 (n=war@iniquity.net) |
| 08:01.45 | predder | azeem, it was a joke. JJ|Laptop, after doing the apt-get update then you can search for the package you want using apt-cache search then install it with apt-get install |
| 08:02.03 | azeem | predder: it wasn't marked as one |
| 08:02.11 | iLLf8d | lol |
| 08:02.22 | iLLf8d | oh sorry |
| 08:02.26 | predder | ok, download the .deb and dpkg -i /path/to/package.deb |
| 08:02.26 | iLLf8d | lol <- seriously |
| 08:02.28 | azeem | predder: the point is that he'll slowly get a stable/testing mix with your advise |
| 08:02.58 | predder | it's just one package though? |
| 08:03.21 | azeem | predder: I don't see where you tell him to change sources.list back again |
| 08:03.24 | cahoot | predder: the first step down a slippery path |
| 08:03.47 | iLLf8d | cahoot wheredya get a slippery path from? |
| 08:04.01 | iLLf8d | cahoot how old areya? |
| 08:04.16 | azeem | iLLf8d: no need to comment every line in here |
| 08:04.31 | iLLf8d | I'm a bit bored and you guys say some funny stuff at times |
| 08:05.11 | iLLf8d | debians packaging system is quite powerful and you can usually castrate things and recover farily quickly |
| 08:05.25 | predder | ok, azeem I feel like anything i suggest you shut down without giving any alternative suggestion. I don't think that's very constructive and all I'm trying to do is be helpful.. |
| 08:06.10 | *** join/#debian Klinki (n=kvirc@203.130.244.34) |
| 08:06.12 | *** join/#debian keko_ (n=keko@dsl-aur-ff23c000-132.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 08:06.27 | JJ|Laptop | azeem: i'm not stupid |
| 08:06.35 | JJ|Laptop | i find my packages on packages.debian.org |
| 08:06.37 | azeem | we don't assume anything in here |
| 08:07.01 | JJ|Laptop | i only use stable unless i need/want it and it's not available in stable |
| 08:07.03 | azeem | JJ|Laptop: your best bet is to backport the package yourself, if you cannot find a backport |
| 08:07.56 | azeem | !quick sarge/etch mix |
| 08:07.56 | dpkg | it has been said that quick sarge/etch mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to etch. then apt-get update, apt-get -t testing install foo; to install foo from etch rather than sarge |
| 08:07.59 | azeem | ^^ or that |
| 08:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 693] by debhelper |
| 08:08.25 | keko_ | how i can install apache php mysql phpmyadmin right? i dont want see after installing any error :) im runnin testing etch |
| 08:08.49 | predder | !tell JJ|Laptop about backports |
| 08:08.59 | iLLf8d | JJ|Laptop, the info you want is here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html <- see 3.8 |
| 08:11.06 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.79.37.177) |
| 08:11.11 | *** join/#debian tomhet (n=tomhet@v1061.ncsrv.de) |
| 08:11.46 | keko_ | ??? |
| 08:12.02 | *** join/#debian dusty_ (n=dusty@194.150.252.229) |
| 08:12.04 | *** part/#debian dusty_ (n=dusty@194.150.252.229) |
| 08:12.15 | iLLf8d | keko_, errors where? |
| 08:12.22 | iLLf8d | keko_, have you tried it yet? |
| 08:12.41 | *** join/#debian maci (n=web1@62.75.251.215) |
| 08:13.13 | iLLf8d | if not it'll go in fine (I can say this now cause you dunno and neither do I at this point) |
| 08:13.26 | JJ|Laptop | so i wonder if i should use my server host's package mirror or the official one? |
| 08:13.32 | vorsprung | there are 2 mysteries |
| 08:13.49 | iLLf8d | bum bum bummmmm |
| 08:13.52 | iLLf8d | mysteries? |
| 08:13.56 | litage | when creating your own package, is it inadvisable to use the build date as the version number? |
| 08:14.28 | vorsprung | 1) why do people run etch when they haven't any idea how to make it work 2) why do people run stuff like php which features in the sans top 20 for the most insecure stuff |
| 08:14.55 | litage | vorsprung: because they don't know any better and aren't well informed |
| 08:15.09 | vorsprung | litage, I guess |
| 08:15.12 | iLLf8d | vorsprung, you dunno till you know it (and in linux theres alot you dunno) |
| 08:15.34 | JJ|Laptop | vorsprung: because php is used alot |
| 08:15.35 | iLLf8d | vorsprung, been using it for years and still I dunno alot only what I've studied (just like every other sysadmin) |
| 08:15.52 | litage | vorsprung: you were hoping for a witty answer, weren't you? ;) |
| 08:16.02 | vorsprung | litage, yes! |
| 08:16.05 | maci | hi there, got a little question concerning apt-get.. is there a way i can remove a package and all the packages it depends on (only if no other package depends on them) ? |
| 08:16.47 | tarzeau | maci: apt-get --purge remove pkg `deborphan` |
| 08:16.47 | JJ|Laptop | you don't want to... |
| 08:17.02 | litage | vorsprung: how about this?: because many of those people come from a windows background and think that once they're running linux, they're virtually impenetrable |
| 08:17.03 | JJ|Laptop | because who's to say you don't use it? |
| 08:17.15 | tarzeau | JJ|Laptop: deborphan ? |
| 08:17.17 | iLLf8d | vorsprung, as for php they use it on the shuttle |
| 08:17.24 | iLLf8d | jk =P |
| 08:17.28 | maci | tarzeau: so there no function in apt-get to do it directly |
| 08:17.32 | tomhet | vorsprung: isn't your nick german? |
| 08:17.39 | tarzeau | maci: wait wait |
| 08:17.39 | SkareCrow | this webmin thing is cool |
| 08:17.44 | tarzeau | maci: this is not apt-get's fault |
| 08:17.49 | *** join/#debian FallenHitokiri (n=Blitz@p54ACF623.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:17.49 | tarzeau | maci: it's your thinkings fault |
| 08:17.54 | litage | SkareCrow: nooooo! webmin's the dark side. cli please |
| 08:17.57 | tarzeau | maci: it's not a function which is missing |
| 08:18.04 | tarzeau | maci: there is deborphan |
| 08:18.05 | SkareCrow | lol, i just said it looks cool |
| 08:18.15 | SkareCrow | i will still be using cli more then anything |
| 08:18.17 | maci | tarzeau: anyway i doubt apt-get --purge remove gnome `deborphan` would remove the whole gnome desktop, would it ? |
| 08:18.33 | *** join/#debian jcwong (n=catalyst@unaffiliated/jcwong) |
| 08:18.33 | tarzeau | maci: man, you have no idea. gnome is just a meta package |
| 08:18.38 | maci | i know |
| 08:18.39 | tarzeau | maci: do you know how meta packages work? |
| 08:18.46 | maci | theyre dummys |
| 08:18.47 | tarzeau | maci: great, what do you really want? remove all gnome? |
| 08:18.52 | *** join/#debian lachat (n=mbguest@triwo070.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 08:18.52 | maci | for example |
| 08:18.54 | tarzeau | maci: no they are not dummies, they are meta pacakges |
| 08:18.59 | tarzeau | !remove gnome |
| 08:18.59 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 08:19.09 | tarzeau | maci: what else for example? remove kde? |
| 08:19.54 | maci | tarzeau: for example gimp |
| 08:20.03 | tarzeau | maci: apt-get remove gimp |
| 08:20.06 | maci | and all the libs it depends on |
| 08:20.11 | tarzeau | maci: it's based on gtk, but many others use gtk too |
| 08:20.15 | tarzeau | maci: but you can just remove gtk |
| 08:20.15 | maci | yeah |
| 08:20.24 | maci | if theyre not needed by other pkgs |
| 08:20.37 | iLLf8d | maci, it'll giveya a list of what it'll rip out |
| 08:21.01 | *** join/#debian Slacker (n=slashpkg@222.121.116.175) |
| 08:22.02 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e_ (n=kintaro@203.177.138.178) |
| 08:22.14 | maci | or i install some programm which requires a certain perl module.. deporphan would care about removing these modules ? |
| 08:22.34 | tarzeau | maci: not if they are in the depends of other software that you need that needs it |
| 08:22.45 | maci | good |
| 08:22.49 | tarzeau | maci: we know |
| 08:23.03 | keko_ | how i can install apache php mysql phpmyadmin right? i dont want see after installing any error :) im runnin testing etch |
| 08:23.18 | iLLf8d | assuming its not something you compiled and install of the packaging system |
| 08:23.18 | *** part/#debian tomhet (n=tomhet@v1061.ncsrv.de) |
| 08:23.25 | maci | iLLf8d: i know |
| 08:23.55 | soapee01 | dondelelcaro++ |
| 08:23.56 | litage | what is the "installed-size" field for in a package's control file? is it the total number of bytes of all of the files in the package? |
| 08:24.09 | iLLf8d | tarzeau, got any idea if auto-apt generates any kinda dependency hooks when you use it to compile from source? |
| 08:24.17 | tarzeau | litage: size in kb when it's installed |
| 08:24.41 | tarzeau | iLLf8d: no idea |
| 08:24.42 | litage | tarzeau: size of what, specifically? |
| 08:24.46 | tarzeau | litage: the files |
| 08:24.59 | litage | tarzeau: so what i said initially is correct?: the total number of bytes of all of the files in the package? |
| 08:25.07 | *** join/#debian sudharsh (n=sudharsh@59.92.55.194) |
| 08:25.09 | tarzeau | litage: yes |
| 08:25.12 | litage | thanks |
| 08:25.20 | tarzeau | litage: there might be an exception for packages |
| 08:25.29 | tarzeau | litage: that generate/render/create/download files of course |
| 08:25.33 | tarzeau | litage: but generally it's right |
| 08:25.54 | litage | tarzeau: and the installed-size field is set by the package creator? |
| 08:25.59 | tarzeau | litage: no |
| 08:26.07 | *** join/#debian cafuego (n=cafuego@59.167.191.160) |
| 08:26.11 | maci | howcomes deborphan requires "dialog" ? |
| 08:26.13 | soapee01 | how the f do I up somebody's karma here? |
| 08:26.16 | tarzeau | litage: it's automatic, depending on which arch you build |
| 08:26.30 | *** join/#debian zamaliphe (n=zam@196.218.99.224) |
| 08:26.54 | *** join/#debian Dossy` (n=dossy@12.206.211.38) |
| 08:27.57 | litage | tarzeau: ohhhh |
| 08:28.01 | *** join/#debian SlayerXP (n=martin@gw-colt.fotango.com) |
| 08:28.17 | litage | tarzeau: so dpkg-deb adds the "Installed-size" field when building a deb? |
| 08:30.52 | *** join/#debian desti (n=desti@p509217D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 08:31.04 | *** part/#debian soapee01 (n=james@71.90.165.128) |
| 08:31.16 | dondelelcaro | litage: it's the size of the files in data.tar.gz |
| 08:31.45 | dondelelcaro | litage: it's put into DEBIAN/control (which is in control.tar.gz) |
| 08:32.57 | *** join/#debian incorrect (n=fwest@193.82.117.250) |
| 08:33.00 | litage | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 08:33.27 | SpeedyG | hey guys, i've got a fat32 disk, which I wanna mount so that all users can read/write from/to it... what options would I need in /etc/fstab ? |
| 08:33.47 | incorrect | how can i set the default web browser, there is a package that does this for me that i need to dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 08:34.19 | *** join/#debian Birmaan (n=birmaan@213-73-155-74.cable.quicknet.nl) |
| 08:34.32 | sudharsh | incorrect: what are you using KDE or GNOME or XFCE |
| 08:34.47 | incorrect | gnome now, i was using kde |
| 08:35.09 | incorrect | i remember being asked a question when a package was installed |
| 08:35.16 | incorrect | just don't remember which one |
| 08:35.27 | sudharsh | incorrect: na..its quite simple....hint: control centre |
| 08:35.38 | incorrect | thats not working |
| 08:36.03 | incorrect | gaim is opening bluefish, thunderbird is opening mozilla, etc |
| 08:36.13 | dondelelcaro | SpeedyG: you generally don't want all suers to read/write.. but if you really do, see the umask, dmask, and fmask parameters. {/msg dpkg rwvfat} |
| 08:36.15 | *** join/#debian Nighteye (n=n8oog@ppp-4-18.bris-a-2.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 08:36.28 | sudharsh | incorrect: control centre isnt working? |
| 08:36.46 | incorrect | well i've done the default browser = firefox |
| 08:36.49 | SpeedyG | dondelelcaro: ok thanks :) |
| 08:37.01 | dondelelcaro | litage, SpeedyG: np. |
| 08:37.09 | incorrect | but there is something else i need to do |
| 08:37.38 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e (n=kintaro@203.177.138.178) |
| 08:37.44 | sudharsh | incorrect: maybe open up thunderbird and make it default from there.. |
| 08:38.16 | *** join/#debian polarb3ar (n=dusty@194.150.252.229) |
| 08:38.17 | polarb3ar | Hey guys how do I get these perms: -rws--s--- I normally do chmod 700 file then chmod +s file however that makes the permssions: -rws--S--- which is different, what am i doing wrong guys? |
| 08:38.49 | tarzeau | polarb3ar: stat /the/file will tell you |
| 08:40.07 | polarb3ar | do you know what tarzeau |
| 08:40.12 | polarb3ar | i think you deserve a beer |
| 08:40.15 | polarb3ar | that is a wicked command |
| 08:40.17 | polarb3ar | thanks alot! |
| 08:40.18 | polarb3ar | :) |
| 08:40.23 | incorrect | sudharsh, i think its wwwconfig-common |
| 08:40.33 | tarzeau | polarb3ar: i want polarbeer |
| 08:40.38 | polarb3ar | lol |
| 08:40.46 | sudharsh | incorrect: i am not on debian right now :) |
| 08:41.09 | incorrect | ah maybe not |
| 08:41.20 | tarzeau | thanks |
| 08:44.48 | *** join/#debian braintix (n=braintix@0x3e42d033.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 08:44.58 | *** join/#debian reZo (n=reZo@124.197.20.252) |
| 08:46.31 | *** join/#debian piko (n=piko@boh.netbox.cz) |
| 08:48.27 | *** join/#debian wankel (n=nobody@du-005-0220.claranet.co.uk) |
| 08:50.04 | *** join/#debian simmerz (n=simmerz@82.111.212.201) |
| 08:50.41 | simmerz | is there any more security risk in giving the www-data user a password and having ssh login and do stuff as that user remotely? |
| 08:50.46 | simmerz | such as svn update |
| 08:51.27 | *** join/#debian crptx (n=jmjs@du-005-0220.claranet.co.uk) |
| 08:52.50 | *** join/#debian tapas_ (n=tapas@affenbande.org) |
| 08:52.58 | tapas_ | hi |
| 08:53.36 | *** join/#debian CrippsFX (n=cripps@stjhnf0120w-142163087028.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) |
| 08:54.30 | *** join/#debian gnix (n=miv@host81-149-176-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 08:57.29 | keko_ | !tellme keko_ about unrar |
| 08:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 700] by debhelper |
| 09:00.39 | *** join/#debian john_doe (n=philip@cpe.atm2-0-90518.0x50a4e526.boanxx8.customer.tele.dk) |
| 09:00.41 | amphi | keko_: /msg dpkg foo |
| 09:01.30 | *** join/#debian drc (i=drclaw@yakko.cs.wmich.edu) |
| 09:01.53 | *** join/#debian Angel_SL (n=angelsl@cm69.sigma13.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 09:02.05 | john_doe | This may not be a debian question, but I'd be happy for any kind of help. I can not receive mails on my debian server. How can I debug it. /var/log/mail* give nothing... |
| 09:02.32 | Nameeater | what software? |
| 09:02.47 | drc | can anyone tell me how this spamassasin score breaks down? |
| 09:02.47 | drc | score BODY_8BITS 1.500 |
| 09:02.47 | cydork | amphi: that irssi script is spectacular! |
| 09:03.08 | drc | crap that's not a good one, I get that one |
| 09:03.11 | amphi | cydork: dictcomplete.pl? heh |
| 09:03.20 | drc | ok this one: |
| 09:03.21 | drc | score URIBL_PH_SURBL 0 0.839 0 2.000 |
| 09:03.26 | *** join/#debian evilbulgarian__ (n=vladi@206.169.1.33) |
| 09:03.50 | drc | so the URIBL_PH_SURBL is the rule name which matches a regex assigned elswhere, but what's "0 0.839 0 2.000 |
| 09:04.07 | amphi | cydork: next best thing to completion straight from your mind ;) |
| 09:04.28 | drc | anyone know spamassassin well? |
| 09:04.38 | cydork | amphi: yep :) man we are lazy ! |
| 09:04.47 | amphi | cydork: heh |
| 09:05.11 | *** join/#debian dnsindhcp (n=javier@206.red-62-57-43.user.auna.net) |
| 09:05.14 | drc | bah, figured as much =( |
| 09:05.33 | drc | guess I'll have to wait for the SA people to get 0 0.839 0 2.000 |
| 09:05.45 | drc | bah damn clipboard |
| 09:06.06 | drc | s/get 0 0.839 0 2.000/get home from the bar or wakup. |
| 09:06.19 | dnsindhcp | I have a laptop with dhcp dyn IP, it fails too often when searching IP addresses, it must have something to do with DNS lookup, who can help me correct it? |
| 09:06.34 | drc | I don't think there's enough pipes for me to sed that right |
| 09:07.38 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: what branch are you running? |
| 09:07.44 | drc | dnsindhcp, your dhcp client gets an IP, and you get the correct route, your /etc/resolv.conf reflects valid dns servers, etc? |
| 09:08.05 | dnsindhcp | I am using keernel 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 09:08.08 | drc | or do you not get a dhcp answer in time? |
| 09:08.32 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: sorry, i didn't ask what kernel |
| 09:08.33 | dnsindhcp | drc: my dhcp address is obtained quite fast yes |
| 09:08.52 | dnsindhcp | ah sorry, what branch, hmmm, stable one with some unstable bits |
| 09:09.00 | dnsindhcp | but mainly stable, the core is stable |
| 09:09.41 | drc | dnsindhcp, good, have you determined what the problem is, if you are getting a valid IP, you probably should also verify that your default route is correct and that the dns servers listed in resolv.conf are handling dns queries |
| 09:09.52 | dnsindhcp | drc: when I place some address in firefox, I press F5 three times for example, and in the third I get a "looking for..." |
| 09:10.09 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: unstable bits? why? |
| 09:10.28 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: and what, exactly, are the unstable bits? |
| 09:10.31 | dnsindhcp | drc: what if my dns is not working properly? is there some freely available dns server out there? |
| 09:10.40 | drc | dnsindhcp: is this behavior in firefix limited to right after switching to a new network, or with all addresses |
| 09:10.41 | dnsindhcp | no, unstable applications, not the system |
| 09:10.51 | ]Gnea[ | again, why unstable applications? |
| 09:11.12 | ]Gnea[ | why not properly modified applications that aren't as likely to bork your stable system? |
| 09:11.26 | dnsindhcp | unstable applications? well, sometimes an application was developed after stable was released, if I want it, I must get it from instable |
| 09:11.28 | dnsindhcp | let's say gnome |
| 09:11.39 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: you are mis-informed. |
| 09:11.47 | dnsindhcp | mis why? |
| 09:11.49 | ]Gnea[ | you should not use the unstable packages, you should use backports |
| 09:11.52 | ]Gnea[ | !backports |
| 09:11.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 09:12.01 | drc | dnsindhcp: you think this is a general networking problem, and not specific to an application right? |
| 09:12.02 | dnsindhcp | ah yes, backports, ok, yes, I have this one linked too |
| 09:12.15 | dnsindhcp | but backports are also unstable :) in my oppinion |
| 09:12.22 | ]Gnea[ | ok, well you should be using backports *only* and no unstable packages at all |
| 09:12.28 | dnsindhcp | drc: it is general, yes, let me explain |
| 09:12.34 | ]Gnea[ | it's possible that gnome has screwed your system up |
| 09:12.37 | dnsindhcp | thanks gnea, will do so |
| 09:12.52 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: technically, backports are not unstable. |
| 09:13.08 | ]Gnea[ | otherwise they would not be supported so ferverently :) |
| 09:13.09 | dnsindhcp | drc: I play internet games, lets say mmrpg, and sometimes I have to reload a page several times |
| 09:13.30 | *** join/#debian cp2 (n=cp2@dslb-088-073-087-246.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:13.38 | dnsindhcp | drc: so, usually, after five reloads, I receive the "looing for ..." message in firefox |
| 09:13.43 | drc | so you are connected but sometimes webpages or connections fail? |
| 09:13.55 | dnsindhcp | drc: yes, sometimes they fail, that is |
| 09:13.58 | drc | are you wired or wireless? |
| 09:14.03 | dnsindhcp | drc: wired |
| 09:14.37 | drc | do you have any other machines on your network where you can isolate this problem to something specific with this box? |
| 09:15.11 | drc | is it possible that you are just having a lot of dropped packets? |
| 09:15.14 | dnsindhcp | no, it's just a laptop, connected to an etherned cable, and then there is the cable |
| 09:15.27 | dnsindhcp | a lot of dropped packets? sorry? how can I know? |
| 09:15.28 | *** part/#debian john_doe (n=philip@cpe.atm2-0-90518.0x50a4e526.boanxx8.customer.tele.dk) |
| 09:15.53 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: what dhcp client are you using? |
| 09:15.56 | drc | dnsindhcp, does it work really well sometimes, and then you have problems, or are the problems persistant? |
| 09:16.04 | drc | ]Gnea[: I don't think it's dhcp |
| 09:16.07 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: ifconfig will show you |
| 09:16.08 | dnsindhcp | drc: problems are persistent |
| 09:16.10 | cydork | hey guys is it possible to use ndiswrapper for etch beta 3 installer?? |
| 09:16.16 | ]Gnea[ | drc: i agree |
| 09:16.24 | dnsindhcp | I am using dhcp-client I think it is the name |
| 09:16.32 | dnsindhcp | I think it is the DSN server perhaps |
| 09:16.50 | *** join/#debian varunhiremath (i=cgiircus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/chriscole.info/x-20004a38906c5325) |
| 09:16.51 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: did you set your own dns or dhcp server up? |
| 09:17.12 | drc | dnsindhcp, possible, but if you are looking at a web page for example and you browse from one page to another page at the same site do you still have problems? |
| 09:17.14 | dnsindhcp | no, gnea, is it possible to set up my own dns cache? |
| 09:17.24 | *** join/#debian varun (i=cgiircus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/chriscole.info/session) |
| 09:17.42 | dnsindhcp | drc: I have problems even reloading the same page! |
| 09:17.50 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: possibly, but where are you pulling the ip from via dhcp? |
| 09:18.03 | dnsindhcp | yes, my IP is from dhcp |
| 09:18.11 | ]Gnea[ | from WHERE? |
| 09:18.19 | ]Gnea[ | your ISP? a router? what? |
| 09:18.29 | dnsindhcp | when I write an address in firefox, it also fails most of the time |
| 09:18.35 | dnsindhcp | where? from an ips |
| 09:18.37 | dnsindhcp | isp sorry |
| 09:18.45 | *** join/#debian OleMoudi (n=olemoudi@137.Red-83-50-225.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 09:18.49 | *** join/#debian drc_ (i=drclaw@yakko.cs.wmich.edu) |
| 09:18.54 | ]Gnea[ | is your laptop the only system connected to your isp? |
| 09:18.55 | pelzi_ | it is not impossinle your ISP has broken DHCP |
| 09:18.57 | *** join/#debian Mitja (n=Mitja@unaffiliated/mitja) |
| 09:19.01 | drc_ | sorry laptop battery died |
| 09:19.30 | pelzi_ | one large ISP here had hundreds of thousands of people on half-broken DNS for months... |
| 09:19.32 | dnsindhcp | yes, at home my laptop is the only one connected |
| 09:19.38 | drc_ | dnsindhcp, if you are on a website, and you click a link to another page on that website, do you sometimes have problems loading that page where you need to refresh a couple times before it loads? |
| 09:19.43 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: are you at home? |
| 09:19.51 | dnsindhcp | yes I am at home |
| 09:20.09 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: are you typing on that laptop now? |
| 09:20.23 | *** join/#debian hiremath (i=cgiircus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/chriscole.info/x-306050a1262c2ec4) |
| 09:20.23 | dnsindhcp | drc: hmmm, yes, if I open other links I get the same problem, not only reloading |
| 09:20.33 | dnsindhcp | yes, I type from my laptop now |
| 09:21.08 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 09:21.17 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: paste it to a paste site... |
| 09:21.18 | ]Gnea[ | !paster |
| 09:21.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 09:21.21 | hiremath | join #debian-mentors |
| 09:21.30 | drc_ | dnsindhcp, I'm trying to rule out a problem with your dns servers, once you go to a website that websites IP should be cached in your dns resolver cache, if you go to slashdot.org for example, and read comments about articles, do you need to refresh the comments page for them to display correctly? |
| 09:21.32 | ]Gnea[ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.55 | pelzi_ | drc_: sometimes sites use different domains (for images, etc.) |
| 09:22.21 | drc_ | pelzi_, yeah I know, I'm trying to be generic with it, and slashdot probably isn't a good example |
| 09:22.23 | dnsindhcp | drc_: let's see, in my oppinion my own laptop should keep a cache of ip addresses isn't it? |
| 09:22.38 | pelzi_ | nope. |
| 09:22.49 | pelzi_ | unless you run a resolver, it doesn't |
| 09:23.05 | pelzi_ | the browser you use may cache them for a minute, but that's it |
| 09:23.06 | *** join/#debian owdondek (n=owdondek@211.63.209.44) |
| 09:23.50 | drc_ | dnsindhcp: listen to these guys, but my thought at the moment is that you either have a driver problem with your nic (unlikely), a problem with your ethernet cable (possible), or signal loss via your broadband provider (likely) |
| 09:23.51 | dnsindhcp | I used the paster, wo what now? |
| 09:24.17 | ]Gnea[ | now paste the url here |
| 09:24.30 | dnsindhcp | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4131 |
| 09:24.33 | *** join/#debian k1piee (n=flino@80.10.66.199) |
| 09:24.39 | drc_ | dnsindhcp, do you know what speed your internet connection is supposed to be, and have you done speed tests on the connection to see what you're actually getting? |
| 09:24.40 | dnsindhcp | really complicated method he he |
| 09:24.49 | pelzi_ | which ISP is it, is it big or small? |
| 09:24.58 | dnsindhcp | it's cable and big isp in spain |
| 09:25.05 | dnsindhcp | it's fibre |
| 09:25.13 | dnsindhcp | although my cable is coaxial here |
| 09:25.17 | pelzi_ | cable modem? |
| 09:25.18 | drc_ | pelzi_, I don't know that it's that relevant when it comes to IW, which is usually the problem |
| 09:25.24 | dnsindhcp | no, ethernet |
| 09:25.34 | pelzi_ | ok |
| 09:25.35 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: it looks like your ISP has a braindead admin - there's nothing in the 'search' field - it should be something like 'search auna.net' |
| 09:25.51 | pelzi_ | ]Gnea[: umm. not really |
| 09:25.52 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/211417 |
| 09:26.01 | x_link | Can somebody take a look at that and tell me what I should do ? |
| 09:26.03 | dnsindhcp | ah wait |
| 09:26.10 | pelzi_ | do you really think home users have any use for 'search'? |
| 09:26.31 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: he could always just delete the line then tell his dhcp client to not overwrite the /etc/resolv.conf if that solves the problem |
| 09:26.38 | cydork | x_link: what do you want to do? |
| 09:26.45 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: do you know what the search function does? |
| 09:26.46 | x_link | With the hdd ? |
| 09:26.51 | drc_ | dnsindhcp: do you know how fast your internet connection is suppose to be? |
| 09:26.56 | cydork | x_link: yes.. |
| 09:27.00 | x_link | cydork: Just have movies, files, pictures, wallpapers, music etc on it. |
| 09:27.05 | dnsindhcp | it should be 1 megabyte but I don't believe |
| 09:27.07 | dnsindhcp | it is slower |
| 09:27.20 | drc_ | are you in the US? |
| 09:27.22 | pelzi_ | ]Gnea[: yes I do - resolve non-complete names |
| 09:27.24 | cydork | x_link: i mean what do you want to do with fdisk /dev/hdb1?? |
| 09:27.39 | x_link | I don't know.... |
| 09:27.46 | x_link | I just tried the command to see if the hdd was there. |
| 09:27.56 | *** join/#debian eleftherios (n=elefther@unaffiliated/eleftherios) |
| 09:28.01 | drc_ | dnsindhcp: well regardless if you are in the US or not (probably more acurate if you are) do you have flash installed for your web browser? |
| 09:28.15 | dnsindhcp | yes I have flash installed |
| 09:28.18 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: and home users will ultimately need that. it's pretty standard on any decent ISP i've ever been on. |
| 09:28.35 | dnsindhcp | ]Gnea[: I wrote the search auna.net and I will give it a try |
| 09:28.35 | drc_ | dnsindhcp: are you on the crappy connection at the moment? |
| 09:28.43 | dnsindhcp | drc_: I am |
| 09:28.50 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: ok |
| 09:28.53 | drc_ | dnsindhcp: try a speed test here: http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ |
| 09:29.22 | drc_ | dnsindhcp: if it's really bad it might hint to a physical problem with your internal wiring or other similar problems |
| 09:29.25 | *** join/#debian lucia (n=lucia@211.63.209.44) |
| 09:29.31 | cydork | x_link: type "q" then :) |
| 09:29.48 | x_link | mkfs -t mnt/dev/x_link I think I did that the last time I mounted a hdd. |
| 09:30.28 | dnsindhcp | ]Gnea[: since I added in the search, it seems failing less |
| 09:30.41 | dnsindhcp | drc: 2500K speed nice one :) |
| 09:30.57 | drc_ | dnsindhcp: The thing is, IMHO anyhow, you can get to websites, but sometimes you have to refresh often, that suggests that your route is good, your dhcp is good because you've been issued a valid IP and your lease won't be expiring that quickly, and so either you have intermitent problems with your dns provider, or you have line quality problems with your connections |
| 09:31.00 | *** join/#debian onurx (n=ddsdd@81.215.247.225) |
| 09:31.01 | pelzi_ | ]Gnea[: do you think home users want to resolve the names of the users of the same ISP? I did have a search field with DHCP ISPs too, but never had use for it |
| 09:31.04 | drc_ | that's my oppinion anyhow |
| 09:31.04 | ]Gnea[ | dnsindhcp: ok, you should install pump then (pump is another dhcp client but it's easier to set options with it, plus it's a bit more featureful) |
| 09:31.23 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: it seems to be resolving the problem. |
| 09:31.30 | drc_ | so if you want to try and troubleshoot that I'd be happy to help, if you think it's something else, perhaps one of these other guys would be more useful |
| 09:31.54 | pelzi_ | "it seems failing less", not "gone" |
| 09:31.54 | war95 | Help, I am running Debian Etch and 'display' no longer works?? http://rafb.net/paste/results/VgGU4J20.html |
| 09:31.54 | pelzi_ | like it should be if that was the problem. |
| 09:32.13 | pelzi_ | changing "search" may reduce DNS queries, reducing the problem, but not solve it. |
| 09:32.17 | dnsindhcp | pelzi_: no, not gone |
| 09:32.38 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: please, if you have a different solution, do offer it. |
| 09:32.51 | pelzi_ | I'd try using someone else's nameservers. Even many large ISPs have DNS troubles |
| 09:32.53 | dnsindhcp | pump is a nice dhcp client? will check |
| 09:33.04 | war95 | any ideas/ |
| 09:33.08 | drc_ | pelzi_: I could be wrong, but I think we would be "jumping the gun" at this point to suggest installing another dhcp client |
| 09:33.09 | *** join/#debian yacc (n=andreas@h1634.serverkompetenz.net) |
| 09:33.14 | dnsindhcp | pelzi_: how can I find another name server? |
| 09:33.17 | war95 | display: unable to load font `-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1'. |
| 09:33.26 | *** join/#debian mhall (n=mhall@c-67-166-156-193.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 09:33.32 | ]Gnea[ | drc_: it can't hurt. |
| 09:33.39 | pelzi_ | dnsindhcp: try opendns (they're controversial, but probably fine for troubleshooting) |
| 09:34.09 | eleftherios | hm, what do I need to place in my bashrc so my prompt displays the full path where I am? |
| 09:34.17 | pelzi_ | dnsindhcp: just add them in resolv.conf (and remember that dhclient will overwrite them) |
| 09:34.18 | yacc | Hmmm, EminEm seems to be spamming me on join? |
| 09:34.19 | dnsindhcp | ok, I am experienced in computers, and I only change things in case of ultimate desperation |
| 09:34.20 | *** join/#debian g8m (n=evil@cp82868-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl) |
| 09:34.27 | drc_ | I think the problem is with the connection, and I don't know dnsindhcp experience level, but from my stand point it seems most prudent to rule out simple and common problems before moving on to replacement of suspect buggy software |
| 09:34.35 | pelzi_ | yacc: /stats p, and complain to a staffer |
| 09:34.36 | drc_ | occums razor and all.. |
| 09:34.51 | *** join/#debian jonas3 (n=jonas@ua-83-227-145-208.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 09:35.04 | pelzi_ | drc_: true. I might try forcing the connection to 10mbps half duplex |
| 09:35.17 | ]Gnea[ | drc_: so you're saying that i have no idea what i'm doing? |
| 09:35.20 | cydork | !fixresolvconf |
| 09:35.21 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 09:35.26 | drc_ | pelzi_, yes I've seen switching to half duplex make a world of difference |
| 09:35.31 | drc_ | good suggestion |
| 09:35.41 | dnsindhcp | drc_: I agree, I prefer to locate the problem, new tools mean new learning and new problems :) |
| 09:35.46 | pelzi_ | sometimes Ethernets are too long if it is used to bring Internet to the home |
| 09:35.50 | dnsindhcp | how can I change half duplex? |
| 09:36.03 | pelzi_ | maybe it was mii-tool, or ethtool |
| 09:36.06 | war95 | Anyone here use Etch? can they display a png file? |
| 09:36.09 | pelzi_ | either of them. :P |
| 09:36.09 | war95 | or is it broken for them too? |
| 09:36.11 | war95 | display file.png |
| 09:36.12 | yacc | What are the points I should consider when switching an ISO8859-1 Debian box (dist-upgraded to Etch) to UTF-8? |
| 09:36.20 | ]Gnea[ | war95: apt-get install feh |
| 09:36.23 | *** join/#debian freebse (n=freebse@p57A2C006.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:36.27 | dnsindhcp | drc_: what do you mean making it half duplex? |
| 09:36.28 | drc_ | ]Gnea[, not at all, I'm simply suggesting that we rule out more general problems, the thing is he can get web pages, so the idea that his dhcp client isn't working seems off base |
| 09:36.28 | *** join/#debian harobed (n=stephane@LNeuilly-152-23-1-114.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:36.35 | pelzi_ | yacc: I had no real problems |
| 09:36.43 | yacc | pelzi_: What did you do? |
| 09:36.47 | pelzi_ | dnsindhcp: just work slower on the wire, essentially |
| 09:36.52 | ]Gnea[ | !utf-8 |
| 09:36.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read ... |
| 09:36.56 | pelzi_ | yacc: changed the default locale, that's it. |
| 09:37.03 | *** join/#debian quux (n=bryan@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/quuxo) |
| 09:37.04 | ]Gnea[ | drc_: ok, i agree |
| 09:37.06 | pelzi_ | then you have to convert old files, of course |
| 09:37.22 | dnsindhcp | pelzi_: ok, going slower? but why? |
| 09:37.23 | ]Gnea[ | i need food... |
| 09:37.23 | pelzi_ | but if the files contain only English, that is not a problem |
| 09:37.33 | pelzi_ | dnsindhcp: if the wire is too long, faster speeds may have problems |
| 09:37.44 | yacc | pelzi_: Yeah, where do I change the locale, AND how do I convert all kind of stuff? |
| 09:37.51 | dnsindhcp | pelzi_: hmm which wire is long? my laptop wire? |
| 09:38.04 | pelzi_ | dnsindhcp: where does it go from the laptop? |
| 09:38.21 | drc_ | dnsindhcp, I don't honestly know on the half-duplex thing, I've seen it make a big difference under windows, I don't know how to set it under linux |
| 09:38.24 | *** join/#debian BearMan (i=karsten@freenode/staff/sourcemage.wizard.BearPerson) |
| 09:38.33 | drc_ | dnsindhcp: did you run the flash based speed test? |
| 09:38.37 | pelzi_ | yacc: dpkg-reconfigure locales, when you see something that's wrong read man iconv |
| 09:38.47 | pelzi_ | dnsindhcp: from the laptop, where is it connected |
| 09:38.51 | dnsindhcp | pelzi_: I have a cable from my laptop to some router, and then the router changest to coaxial |
| 09:38.58 | pelzi_ | ah. |
| 09:38.59 | dnsindhcp | drc_ : yes my speed is 2500K |
| 09:39.01 | *** join/#debian Piet (i=pietor@tor/regular/Piet) |
| 09:39.10 | pelzi_ | so it's a cable modem |
| 09:39.29 | *** join/#debian jonas3 (n=jonas@ua-83-227-145-208.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 09:39.38 | dnsindhcp | pelzi_: but the cable from laptop to router is rather long, with lots of bucles |
| 09:39.39 | *** part/#debian BearMan (i=karsten@freenode/staff/sourcemage.wizard.BearPerson) |
| 09:39.43 | drc_ | cable modem can be probe to problems with splits and poor gauge wiring |
| 09:39.52 | drc_ | sorry s/probe/prone |
| 09:40.04 | pelzi_ | dnsindhcp: I'd try with another cable. network cables get damaged pretty easily. |
| 09:40.12 | drc_ | dnsindhcp, when your cable first comes into the house, do you know where that is before it splits out to television sets? |
| 09:40.22 | pelzi_ | and I would also try changing the coaxial, those cause lots of problems. |
| 09:40.30 | drc_ | dnsindhcp, I think pelzi_ has a valid suggestion |
| 09:40.41 | dnsindhcp | pelzi_: so it can be cables problems? |
| 09:40.46 | pelzi_ | with cable modem problems I'd recommend calling your ISP, it's really their problem to fix it. |
| 09:40.49 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 09:40.54 | drc_ | I think you can narrow that don't before spending a lot of money on replacement quality cable though |
| 09:41.07 | drc_ | but yes, that is a common problem that pelzi_ brings up |
| 09:41.32 | dnsindhcp | ok, I will give the resolv.conf solutions a try, but I will check cables also |
| 09:41.36 | drc_ | pelzi_, well I think a lot of smaller ISPs consider inferrior internal wiring to be the customers problem =( |
| 09:42.11 | dnsindhcp | in fact, I prefer to correct it myself rather than call ISP, you don't know what does it mean here in Spain |
| 09:42.17 | pelzi_ | drc_: true. but if the isp is worth anything they can look at some nice stats and tell you about the signal quality without ever lifting their ass from the nice comfy chair |
| 09:42.38 | *** part/#debian quux (n=bryan@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/quuxo) |
| 09:42.43 | pelzi_ | dnsindhcp: here you first need to wait 4 hours in a queue, then talk to an idiot :P |
| 09:42.48 | drc_ | dnsindhcp, I think it's fairly unlikely from my experience as an ISP sysadmin, and an internet user for over 10 years that it's your dns server, while that's possible, I think you're strongest possibility is probably a problem with your cable modems ability to get a good signal |
| 09:43.05 | dnsindhcp | pelzi_ : but here in spain, if you have a problem, you're not a customer, you're an enemy |
| 09:43.11 | drc_ | that can be cause by crappy coax, lots of splits in the cable, or problems with the provider |
| 09:43.14 | *** part/#debian onurx (n=ddsdd@81.215.247.225) |
| 09:43.34 | *** join/#debian lira1 (n=Liran@212.199.177.207.static.012.net.il) |
| 09:43.40 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 09:43.44 | drc_ | dnsindhcp, the best thing to do, on your own without spending money is to figure out where the cable connection first comes into your house |
| 09:43.44 | yacc | pelzi_: reboot I guess after the reconfigure? |
| 09:43.46 | dnsindhcp | drc_: I suppose this yes |
| 09:43.51 | pelzi_ | yacc: maybe best, yes |
| 09:44.09 | drc_ | dnsindhcp: connect that directly to your modem without any televisions, vcrs, or other appliances on the lines |
| 09:44.24 | drc_ | dnsindhcp: if that makes a big difference, than it's a strong suggestion that the problem is internal |
| 09:44.32 | dnsindhcp | drc_: ok, so I have the whole line for me, and then check, perhaps TV is interferring |
| 09:44.38 | drc_ | those problems are generally the ones that the cable provider will charge you to fix |
| 09:44.53 | pelzi_ | at least here in finland there are lots of cable modem troubles, and most people live in flats so the whole house should agree on fixing it.... |
| 09:45.14 | pelzi_ | TVs do interfere sometimes. |
| 09:45.16 | dnsindhcp | drc_ yes I understand, will try to locate the problem |
| 09:45.18 | drc_ | if you can determine that a straight connection from the cable coming into the house into your cable modem, with suffficient quality wire still has the problem, then you have something to present to the cable company |
| 09:45.28 | dnsindhcp | pelzi_: in spain it's the same, community things |
| 09:45.35 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 09:45.51 | pelzi_ | where I live was built in -69. no hope to get cable modem... |
| 09:45.55 | pelzi_ | luckily adsl works |
| 09:45.57 | dnsindhcp | ok guys, you helped me a lot, I have to go now, you were really really helpful |
| 09:46.09 | *** join/#debian Halitherses (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 09:46.13 | dnsindhcp | yes adsl seems to work fine |
| 09:46.23 | dnsindhcp | ok see you guys |
| 09:46.31 | drc_ | dnsindhcp, some devices can "backfeed" on the line, they aren't supposed to, but it's not that uncommon, and those can cause interference with your cable signal |
| 09:46.35 | dnsindhcp | ]Gnea[: thanks very much |
| 09:46.48 | simmerz | is there any more security risk in giving the www-data user a password than any other user and having ssh login and do stuff as that user remotely? such as svn update... |
| 09:46.58 | dnsindhcp | drc_: thanks :) |
| 09:46.59 | *** join/#debian ice_1963 (n=Gary@c-68-42-183-22.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 09:47.07 | *** part/#debian dnsindhcp (n=javier@206.red-62-57-43.user.auna.net) |
| 09:47.22 | *** join/#debian LazyboY^ (n=Lazyboy@0x50a173e4.albnxx11.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 09:47.45 | *** join/#debian holycow (n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 09:47.55 | *** join/#debian reZo (n=reZo@124.197.20.252) |
| 09:47.59 | drc_ | sorry if I was a jerk and stomped on anyone elses good ideas, I like beer, and I like it en mass |
| 09:48.08 | *** join/#debian peacenik (n=chatzill@142-217-213-49.telebecinternet.net) |
| 09:48.41 | drc_ | but the whole dns/dhcp thing seems to be a red herring to me anyhow |
| 09:50.07 | *** join/#debian Braintix (n=Braintix@0x3e42d033.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 09:51.11 | *** join/#debian LinuxHelp (n=misha@dsl-165-230-97.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 09:52.15 | pelzi_ | it's confusing |
| 09:52.29 | LinuxHelp | Hi, my lighttpd seems to have crashed or something caus its not running anymore. Where do I check the reason for the crash (or if it crashed at all) ? (Debian 3.1 stable) |
| 09:52.55 | pelzi_ | usually bad lines cause dns, dhcp and other small-packet systems work but bigger transfers choke, but on the other hand, bad lines cause problems that do not ever make sense |
| 09:53.16 | drc_ | LinuxHelp: someone might not the answer to that better than me, but a couple places to check would be log files for lighthttpd |
| 09:53.32 | drc_ | try tail /var/log/light* |
| 09:53.39 | drc_ | or tail /var/log/messages |
| 09:54.19 | drc_ | LinuxHelp you can very that it's not running possibly by running something like: ps aux |grep http |grep -v grep |wc -l |
| 09:54.45 | drc_ | if it's 0, than it's probably not running, if it's higher than 0 than you probably have some http server running |
| 09:54.56 | LinuxHelp | 0 |
| 09:55.06 | drc_ | if you're running another web server like apache concurrently than that would effect the results |
| 09:55.21 | LinuxHelp | Anyway, I dont quite know when it crashed exactly.. |
| 09:55.49 | drc_ | LinuxHelp, ok then my assement would be that you are correct that it died, it may have cause a coredump that could be useful in debugging the crash, but even more useful might be errors in a log file |
| 09:56.04 | drc_ | do you see anything in /var/log that seem to pertain to lighthttp? |
| 09:56.40 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.44 | yacc | Just wondering, what package did replace sysvinit in Etch? |
| 09:56.46 | LinuxHelp | both of which were empty |
| 09:56.49 | *** join/#debian reZo (n=reZo@124.197.13.174) |
| 09:57.43 | drc_ | LinuxHelp, does this keep crashing often? |
| 09:57.47 | LinuxHelp | There were some .gz versions of those as well, but I dont think they'll be relevant, caus lighttpd wouldnt have been around to rotate the crash report back to those files. |
| 09:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 706] by debhelper |
| 09:58.01 | LinuxHelp | ^^ This is the first time its crashed in like 6 months |
| 09:58.46 | drc_ | I was going to suggest that you run it in a non-detached mode, but if it's fairly stable obviously that doesn't help |
| 09:59.18 | LinuxHelp | drc_: I was thinking maybe cosmic radiation? |
| 09:59.22 | drc_ | who is the vendor LinuxHelp ? |
| 09:59.56 | drc_ | cosmic radiation, yes I like that ;) I think it wise though to first check for denial of service vuln or other exploits |
| 09:59.56 | LinuxHelp | drc_ vendor.. hmm er you mean the person who hosts my hardware? |
| 10:00.32 | drc_ | LinuxHelp: The company/organization/person/group that wirtes lighthttp, I'm looking, but if you know it will save time |
| 10:01.07 | *** join/#debian utrrrongeeb (n=mhciipec@dunken33.isn.net) |
| 10:01.25 | *** part/#debian tapas_ (n=tapas@affenbande.org) |
| 10:01.30 | *** join/#debian UstasW (n=ustas@195.7.235.100) |
| 10:02.12 | LinuxHelp | Whats the easiest way to cat a .gz compressed text file? |
| 10:02.20 | drc_ | LinuxHelp: do you know what version of light http you are running? |
| 10:02.24 | drc_ | zcat |
| 10:02.32 | drc_ | zcat file.gz |
| 10:02.38 | LinuxHelp | lighttpd-1.4.11 (ssl) (Apr 5 2006 11:36:46) - a light and fast webserver |
| 10:02.41 | dondelelcaro | or just gzip -dc foo.gz |
| 10:03.07 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:03.08 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:04.34 | *** join/#debian ktwilight_ (n=ktwiligh@104.107-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 10:05.06 | drc_ | LinuxHelper: if you don't have a log file that tells you why it died, I don't know what the problem is, I don't see any bugtraq problems with the version you are running, so I don't have a good fix, but I could suggest a method to auto-restart the server for you when it dies |
| 10:05.21 | utrrrongeeb | Anyone know about USB drives which for some reason can't be read by Debian? |
| 10:05.33 | tarzeau | utrrrongeeb: no? |
| 10:05.43 | tarzeau | utrrrongeeb: partitioned? filesystem? |
| 10:05.57 | drc_ | LinuxHelp: did /var/log/messages contain anything useful? |
| 10:06.08 | tarzeau | utrrrongeeb: do you get a read error when you cat the device file? |
| 10:06.09 | drc_ | did you find a coredump file for httpd light? |
| 10:06.09 | utrrrongeeb | Supposed to be FAT32. Works with Window$, but for some reason won't mount. |
| 10:06.16 | LinuxHelp | drc_, no, I went through all the log files page by page |
| 10:06.37 | tarzeau | utrrrongeeb: what says file -s /dev/sda ? |
| 10:06.45 | *** join/#debian Fly_80 (n=Flavio@adsl203-156-186.mclink.it) |
| 10:07.11 | utrrrongeeb | I confess I'm on WinXP at the moment, so I'll try those commands later... Thanks for the info! |
| 10:07.40 | drc_ | LinuxHelp, I could suggest a crontab entry that would check for the service and restart if it if wasn't detected every minute, that's obviously not the proper solution, but it might be better than nothing, your call |
| 10:07.43 | utrrrongeeb | If it is detected, what can be done? |
| 10:07.57 | tarzeau | utrrrongeeb: it can be mounted and read? |
| 10:08.23 | utrrrongeeb | I'm assuming that it is available as a device, it just can't be mounted in Debian. |
| 10:08.38 | tarzeau | utrrrongeeb: but why not? |
| 10:08.44 | *** join/#debian WaruiInu (n=alexd@alexd.mediasat.ro) |
| 10:08.46 | drc_ | does anyone know http light? |
| 10:08.49 | tarzeau | utrrrongeeb: can you run the command and tell us your mount command? and the error you get? |
| 10:08.54 | drc_ | or light htp, or whatever it was? |
| 10:08.58 | drc_ | http* |
| 10:09.01 | tarzeau | drc_: i know thttpd and sun light |
| 10:09.16 | drc_ | Mmm, sun light, nearly forgot |
| 10:09.22 | x_link | Can somebody help me ? |
| 10:09.24 | tarzeau | coca cola light too |
| 10:09.35 | utrrrongeeb | I said I was in Windows at the moment, so I can't try commands now. Guess I'll go for now, though... |
| 10:09.46 | x_link | I just mounted an hdd, /mnt/x_link. But I can't save anything on that hdd and I can't make new folders onthat hdd. |
| 10:09.53 | x_link | What do I have to do/change ? |
| 10:09.57 | *** join/#debian SiRLancelotX (n=blood@212.200.115.163) |
| 10:09.59 | tarzeau | x_link: mount it rw? |
| 10:10.05 | LinuxHelp | x_link, type "mount" |
| 10:10.06 | drc_ | x_link, you probably mounted it ro |
| 10:10.06 | tarzeau | x_link: what filesystem is that? your mount command? |
| 10:10.08 | WaruiInu | Hello folks, I have some strange problem. I'm trying to use php with fastcgi and suexec. Everything looks ok, but when I enable suexec, I get in error.log that suexec returns error code 120, wich seem to mean suexec cannot set safe enviroment path. In setenv manual, the funtion return -1 when there is not enough memory for the enviroment. Without the suexec, _SERVER['PATH'] returns /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin. I would like to solve this pretty strange |
| 10:10.08 | *** part/#debian SiRLancelotX (n=blood@212.200.115.163) |
| 10:10.22 | *** part/#debian utrrrongeeb (n=mhciipec@dunken33.isn.net) |
| 10:10.24 | *** join/#debian Xteven (i=deepstar@ekonomika.ekon.student.kuleuven.be) |
| 10:10.26 | LinuxHelp | x_link, and then pastebin? |
| 10:10.27 | WaruiInu | php5 is from debian backports |
| 10:10.48 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/211460 |
| 10:10.50 | WaruiInu | I think it is good to mention that if i use php4-cgi in the well known php.fcgi wrapper , php scripts don't work at all,and php.fcgi is disaplayed instead of runned |
| 10:10.55 | drc_ | x_link: what's the device called? |
| 10:11.14 | x_link | /mnt/x_link |
| 10:11.29 | drc_ | no the device not the mount point |
| 10:11.48 | x_link | What the hdd is called ? |
| 10:11.51 | x_link | Maxtor 40Gb |
| 10:11.53 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.57 | x_link | ahh yes |
| 10:11.59 | drc_ | hda? |
| 10:12.01 | x_link | /dev/hdb1 |
| 10:12.13 | drc_ | is it a windows drive? |
| 10:12.24 | x_link | Nope, it was windows on it before. |
| 10:12.30 | drc_ | is it new? |
| 10:12.40 | drc_ | I mean have you formatted it yet? |
| 10:12.42 | drc_ | for linux? |
| 10:12.54 | *** join/#debian Laris (n=Laris@host86-134-3-98.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) |
| 10:13.04 | drc_ | is that what you want to do with it? |
| 10:13.07 | x_link | drc_: yes it's formattedö |
| 10:13.20 | drc_ | as, ext3, or ? |
| 10:13.29 | LinuxHelp | Well what does the error say? |
| 10:13.35 | x_link | I have Debian installed on a 4.3GB hdd, and I want that 40GB hdd for my music, files, movies, pictures, wallpapers etc |
| 10:13.56 | *** join/#debian incorrect (n=fwest@193.82.117.250) |
| 10:14.21 | drc_ | x_link, that's for sure do-able, when you mount it do you see any files on it right now? |
| 10:14.30 | *** join/#debian Moorenkopf (n=Moorenko@p508850D5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:14.32 | x_link | lost+found |
| 10:14.35 | x_link | I have that folder in it. |
| 10:14.41 | drc_ | LinuxHelp: ehh |
| 10:14.44 | drc_ | s/ehh/heh |
| 10:15.04 | drc_ | x_link, ok why don't you try: |
| 10:15.15 | LinuxHelp | x_link: type "touch me" in that mounted hd, whats the error message? |
| 10:15.17 | drc_ | umount /mnt/x_link |
| 10:15.31 | x_link | hrmm shouldI unmount it ?' |
| 10:15.46 | drc_ | mount -o rw /dev/hdb1 /mnt/x_link |
| 10:15.47 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/home/sedde# umount /mnt/x_link |
| 10:15.47 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/home/sedde# |
| 10:16.01 | x_link | And now mount -o rw /dev/hdb1 /mnt/x_link ? |
| 10:16.08 | drc_ | x_link, won't hurt anything if you're not using it, try it |
| 10:16.33 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:16.41 | drc_ | if that works, you should consider adding it to your /etc/fstab |
| 10:16.43 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/home/sedde# mount -o rw /dev/hdb1 /mnt/x_link |
| 10:16.43 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/home/sedde# |
| 10:16.56 | drc_ | that way you can always write to it it and have it auto mounted in the future |
| 10:17.08 | incorrect | how can i set a user to have more than 1024 open fies? |
| 10:17.22 | drc_ | ok so try touch /mnt/x_link/privateparts.txt |
| 10:17.26 | x_link | Okey. |
| 10:17.31 | drc_ | what does that do? |
| 10:17.43 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/home/sedde# touch /mnt/x_link/privateparts.txt |
| 10:17.43 | LinuxHelp | incorrect, no I'm afraid you're WRONG as usual |
| 10:17.44 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/home/sedde# |
| 10:18.08 | LinuxHelp | ls /mnt/xlink/ ? |
| 10:18.13 | LinuxHelp | *_ |
| 10:18.14 | drc_ | x_link: ls -la /mnt/x_link |
| 10:18.23 | drc_ | LinuxHelp =) |
| 10:18.32 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:18.34 | *** join/#debian friederich09 (n=friederi@201-43-248-231.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 10:18.34 | drc_ | same diff |
| 10:18.54 | drc_ | x_link: do you see privateparts.txt ? |
| 10:19.01 | incorrect | LinuxHelp, eh? |
| 10:19.01 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/211470 |
| 10:19.07 | x_link | drc_: Yes |
| 10:19.10 | x_link | I see it |
| 10:19.16 | LinuxHelp | incorrect, nm ;) |
| 10:19.18 | drc_ | cool |
| 10:19.22 | x_link | In /mnt/x_link, right under the lost+found folder |
| 10:19.38 | *** join/#debian ramir3z (n=rami@p54A671ED.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:19.49 | incorrect | i wish i could remember the site that explained how to increase the number of open files |
| 10:19.50 | drc_ | x_link, ok so what I would suggest, if you don't want to do this everytime you reboot, is that you add it to your /etc/fstab |
| 10:19.50 | x_link | But when I right click in that folder I can't choose Creat new folder etc |
| 10:19.51 | x_link | Why ? |
| 10:19.51 | LinuxHelp | and now "mkdir /mnt/x_link/mydir" |
| 10:20.03 | *** join/#debian Huahua (n=hua_@122.0.231.89) |
| 10:20.18 | x_link | drc_: how do I do that then ? |
| 10:20.32 | x_link | LinuxHelp: Should I type that now ? |
| 10:20.43 | LinuxHelp | Lets just get this dir thing sorted out first, yes x_link |
| 10:20.53 | x_link | Okey. |
| 10:21.06 | drc_ | that's a file that gets parsed everytime you reboot, and all it basically says is, drive A gets mounted as /blah/a, and the file system is window/linux/mac/blah and I can either read it, or read it and write to it, and either I am the only one who can write to it, or everyone can read or write to it |
| 10:21.36 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/home/sedde# mkdir /mnt/x_link/mydir |
| 10:21.36 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/home/sedde# |
| 10:21.42 | LinuxHelp | x_link, I think your problem is that your users are unable to write to x_link, except for root of course |
| 10:21.50 | x_link | I want to change the name of that folder |
| 10:22.00 | x_link | mydir |
| 10:22.06 | x_link | Is that okey ? |
| 10:22.11 | drc_ | and by A I don't mean A: but <Insert random device name like /dev/hdb1 here> |
| 10:22.14 | *** join/#debian usn (n=usn@p549342CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:22.23 | *** join/#debian usn_work (n=usn@p549342CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:22.30 | LinuxHelp | x_link, root would have to do it now you see |
| 10:22.32 | drc_ | so x_link, do you have an editor of choice yet? vim, ed, emacs, blach, etc? |
| 10:22.43 | x_link | I can't change it. |
| 10:22.44 | LinuxHelp | use nano |
| 10:22.46 | drc_ | nano/pico perhaps |
| 10:22.54 | x_link | editor |
| 10:23.05 | mhall | Man firefox is a fucking flaky pile of shit anymore. |
| 10:23.11 | drc_ | x_link, are you using a gui? |
| 10:23.14 | mhall | It's amazing how fast it's gone downhill. |
| 10:23.15 | x_link | yes |
| 10:23.16 | x_link | KDE 3.5 |
| 10:23.18 | LinuxHelp | type "cd /mnt/x_link/; chown yourname: mydir" |
| 10:23.23 | mhall | Might be time to switch to Opera. :-( |
| 10:23.23 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:23.26 | blondie | mhall: "anymore" does not fit in that sentence. |
| 10:23.38 | mhall | blondie: 1.0.x was pretty good at least for me |
| 10:23.39 | LinuxHelp | but obviously replace yourname |
| 10:23.45 | mhall | blondie: 1.5 is totally not happenin |
| 10:24.03 | x_link | cd /mnt/x_link/; chown yourname: mydir ?? |
| 10:24.03 | *** join/#debian mortalguy (n=mortal@213.237.66.155.adsl.od.worldonline.dk) |
| 10:24.07 | x_link | Where should I put the new name ? |
| 10:24.20 | mhall | anyway time for bed |
| 10:24.21 | pelzi_ | mhall: you mean 2.0 |
| 10:24.21 | LinuxHelp | actually.. I say ask drc_ how to set up proper permisions for /mnt/x_link/ |
| 10:24.29 | x_link | aha ok |
| 10:24.30 | drc_ | x_link, the problem here can be that you might be logged in as a user who doesn't have access to edit /etc/fstab, see that's a protected file that belongs to root, linux is kinda good in that it seperated stuff like that, so if you're used to like windows 98, all files (for the most part) are fair game) |
| 10:24.32 | blondie | using anymore not in a negative way is evil :S |
| 10:25.28 | drc_ | anyhow, the short answer is open a command prompt window |
| 10:25.35 | LinuxHelp | x_link, first step now is in your root console type "nano /etc/fstab" |
| 10:25.49 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:25.53 | drc_ | x_link: sorry I can't pm you back, I'm not a registered user I guess |
| 10:25.58 | x_link | okey |
| 10:26.09 | drclaw | ok that's better |
| 10:26.21 | drclaw | ok in that command prompt window type sudo su - |
| 10:26.23 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 10:26.25 | drclaw | hit enter |
| 10:26.29 | drclaw | type in your password |
| 10:26.51 | LinuxHelp | ^I think he's already got root |
| 10:26.57 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/211478 |
| 10:27.03 | drclaw | yeah probably |
| 10:27.09 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 10:27.31 | Mazingaro | please my openoffice won't find the help data (installed openoffice.org-help-en) |
| 10:28.09 | *** join/#debian cafuego (n=cafuego@59.167.191.160) |
| 10:28.15 | drclaw | ok x_link, I like vi, but we'll use nano cause it'll be less confusing, type nano /etc/fstab |
| 10:28.22 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.44 | x_link | wait |
| 10:28.46 | drclaw | ok |
| 10:28.48 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/211478 |
| 10:28.54 | x_link | damn |
| 10:28.57 | x_link | My english SUCKS |
| 10:29.11 | x_link | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/x_link/ ext3 rw 0 0 # I say this |
| 10:29.15 | x_link | Should I do that now ? |
| 10:29.29 | *** join/#debian Mitja (n=Mitja@unaffiliated/mitja) |
| 10:29.40 | x_link | ahh |
| 10:29.43 | LinuxHelp | and then maybe chmod 775 /mnt/x_link/ |
| 10:29.46 | x_link | the link I pasted, I must do something there first |
| 10:29.55 | x_link | LinuxHelp: Look at the url I just pasted. |
| 10:29.57 | x_link | What should I do there |
| 10:30.07 | LinuxHelp | and then um you're going to have to create a group for accessing that x_link |
| 10:30.36 | x_link | Should I not do anything where I'am now ? |
| 10:30.41 | drclaw | x_link, inside the /etc/fstab at the bottom paste in: |
| 10:30.52 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.00 | drclaw | yep, that |
| 10:31.03 | LinuxHelp | :P |
| 10:31.06 | drclaw | paste that in your /etc/fstab |
| 10:31.06 | pelzi_ | without the comment |
| 10:31.18 | x_link | hrmmm |
| 10:31.26 | drclaw | you don't need the # Add this to your fstab part |
| 10:31.33 | drclaw | it won't hurt anything though |
| 10:31.35 | x_link | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/x_link/ ext3 rw 0 0 |
| 10:31.36 | x_link | ok |
| 10:31.42 | LinuxHelp | # you can type anything you want actually: |
| 10:31.45 | drclaw | cool, then hit control and X |
| 10:31.52 | drclaw | it will ask you if you want to save |
| 10:31.55 | drclaw | say yes |
| 10:31.58 | LinuxHelp | # Music and wallpapers and stuff |
| 10:32.03 | LinuxHelp | would be a good comment |
| 10:32.03 | pelzi_ | fstab is such an ancient format I like to be careful |
| 10:32.14 | LinuxHelp | Ctrl-O |
| 10:32.23 | pelzi_ | in some Unixes it tends to make life hard. |
| 10:32.28 | drclaw | ^X is fine, nano will ask you to save |
| 10:32.30 | LinuxHelp | or er Ctrl-X too |
| 10:32.33 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/211486 |
| 10:32.49 | x_link | It looks like that now, should I save and quit now ? |
| 10:33.05 | LinuxHelp | yup |
| 10:33.06 | x_link | Ctrl-O then ctrl-m |
| 10:33.08 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:33.16 | x_link | LinuxHelp: Everything looks good there ? |
| 10:33.19 | drclaw | x_link, what's the user you normally use? |
| 10:33.22 | x_link | Then I will save and quit now. |
| 10:33.23 | x_link | sedde |
| 10:33.32 | *** join/#debian [GABRI] (n=ircap751@171.Red-217-127-84.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:33.35 | [GABRI] | hi people |
| 10:33.40 | x_link | drclaw: Should I just save and quit now ? |
| 10:33.46 | x_link | Did you look at the last URL ? |
| 10:33.49 | *** join/#debian LinuxHelp (n=misha@dsl-165-230-97.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 10:33.56 | drclaw | yes it looks fine |
| 10:33.57 | [GABRI] | i can see man with colorize? |
| 10:34.08 | x_link | Okey, then I will do what I just said. |
| 10:34.11 | x_link | Just a sec.... |
| 10:34.17 | drclaw | before you log out of the shell run this: |
| 10:34.31 | x_link | [Write 9 Lines] |
| 10:34.33 | *** join/#debian saftsack (n=oliver@p54A7F0E9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:34.37 | x_link | Wrote even |
| 10:34.44 | LinuxHelp | yup |
| 10:34.48 | drclaw | mount /mnt/x_link |
| 10:34.53 | x_link | ok |
| 10:35.13 | [GABRI] | i can see man with colorize? |
| 10:35.13 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/mnt/x_link# mount /mnt/x_link |
| 10:35.14 | x_link | mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt/x_link busy |
| 10:35.14 | x_link | mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdb1 is already mounted on /mnt/x_link |
| 10:35.14 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/mnt/x_link# |
| 10:35.14 | *** kick/#debian [x_link!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 10:35.48 | *** join/#debian x_link (i=sedde@c83-249-194-173.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 10:35.49 | LinuxHelp | [GABRI], we have no idea what you can see! |
| 10:35.50 | x_link | sorry |
| 10:35.52 | SpeedyG | what's the pasterbot supposed to do anyway? |
| 10:35.58 | drclaw | LinuxHelp: good point |
| 10:36.01 | *** join/#debian Feax-Crysis (n=Feax@AAmiens-152-1-68-98.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:36.07 | drclaw | x_link: 5 steps left, follow me |
| 10:36.17 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:36.17 | drclaw | umount /mnt/x_link |
| 10:36.19 | x_link | ok |
| 10:36.26 | LinuxHelp | dont forget the permisions |
| 10:36.27 | drclaw | mount /mnt/x_link |
| 10:36.32 | cydork | [GABRI]: possible if you shoot man with paintgun. but not if you are colorblind :P |
| 10:36.47 | x_link | didn't find command unmount |
| 10:36.48 | LinuxHelp | lol |
| 10:36.48 | drclaw | LinuxHelp: I'm gonna chown -R for sedde, got a better suggestion? |
| 10:36.50 | x_link | ahh umount |
| 10:36.53 | *** join/#debian syntaxx_ (n=syntaxx@unaffiliated/syntaxx) |
| 10:36.56 | pelzi_ | "man woman" should have lots of colors |
| 10:36.59 | drclaw | x_linux, umount, my bad |
| 10:37.05 | pelzi_ | umount should be linked to unmount |
| 10:37.12 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/mnt/x_link# umount /mnt/x_link |
| 10:37.12 | x_link | umount: /mnt/x_link: device is busy |
| 10:37.12 | LinuxHelp | drclaw, I prefer to have 775 with a group called "hdbacess" |
| 10:37.13 | pelzi_ | on of the worst places to save 1 character |
| 10:37.18 | [GABRI] | mm LinuxHelp cydork example man bash | colorize e |
| 10:37.26 | cydork | pelzi_: or man man in your case :P |
| 10:37.32 | pelzi_ | har har :P |
| 10:37.44 | drclaw | x_link: mount /mnt/x_link |
| 10:37.47 | x_link | ok |
| 10:37.55 | drclaw | rm -rf /mnt/x_link |
| 10:38.03 | pelzi_ | but think about it, "No" "manual" "page" "for" "woman" all in different colors |
| 10:38.05 | LinuxHelp | .... I dont agree |
| 10:38.12 | drclaw | (it's just the temp file and lost+found |
| 10:38.23 | pelzi_ | sure? |
| 10:38.29 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/211495 |
| 10:38.30 | drclaw | yeah I read his pastebin |
| 10:38.37 | amphi | x_link: cd .. and umount |
| 10:38.49 | drclaw | I just want to make sure he has write |
| 10:39.11 | drclaw | heh, no one like recursive rm |
| 10:39.12 | x_link | amphi: cd and umont ? |
| 10:39.17 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.21 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:39.26 | amphi | x_link: 'cd ..' and then run umount |
| 10:39.32 | drclaw | x_link anyhow, what's ls /mnt/x_link say? |
| 10:39.33 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.79.37.177) |
| 10:39.35 | *** join/#debian pingouin (n=pingouin@tou59-1-82-225-133-50.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 10:39.38 | pelzi_ | you can't umount a directory you are currently in |
| 10:39.44 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/mnt/x_link# cd / && umount /mnt/x_link/ |
| 10:39.45 | x_link | umount: /mnt/x_link: device is busy |
| 10:40.08 | drclaw | x_link: don't umount it |
| 10:40.15 | LinuxHelp | close your file-browser window? |
| 10:40.19 | *** join/#debian war95 (n=war@iniquity.net) |
| 10:40.43 | incorrect | is there a tool to optimise debian? |
| 10:40.43 | drclaw | x_link: just type chown -R sedde: /mnt/x_link |
| 10:40.43 | x_link | sedde@c83-249-192-67:~$ ls /mnt/x_link |
| 10:40.44 | x_link | lost+found mydir privateparts.txt |
| 10:40.48 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:41.00 | drclaw | x_link: chmod -R u+rw * /mnt/x_link |
| 10:41.05 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/# chown -R sedde: /mnt/x_link |
| 10:41.05 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/# |
| 10:41.08 | drclaw | x_link: chmod -R u+rw * /mnt/x_link/* |
| 10:41.09 | LinuxHelp | drclaw, you dont like the "hdbaccess" group idea? |
| 10:41.09 | x_link | ahaa |
| 10:41.10 | amphi | interesting text file... |
| 10:41.38 | drclaw | LinuxHelp: I do but I didn't want to add him to the group, your way is better, you can walk him through it if you want ;) |
| 10:42.15 | drclaw | x_link: done, now, you might want to follow LinuxHelp if you will have other users on your computer that will need to store stuff to /mnt/x_link |
| 10:42.47 | SpeedyG | LinuxHelp: drive root owned by root, and the dirs on it owned by users or someth? |
| 10:42.55 | *** join/#debian nickm_ (n=nickm@12.170.205.77) |
| 10:43.03 | LinuxHelp | SpeedyG, ya |
| 10:43.12 | pelzi_ | nah, depends |
| 10:43.23 | SpeedyG | pelzi_: elaborate? |
| 10:43.36 | drclaw | x_link, if you reboot right now, you should find that /mnt/x_link is there and that you can read, erase and create files on it as sedde |
| 10:43.43 | pelzi_ | what if you want to mount something on /var/www |
| 10:43.47 | [GABRI] | i can see a man with --color parameter o with man ls | colorize? |
| 10:43.48 | pelzi_ | or /tmp |
| 10:43.58 | pelzi_ | ok, not tmp |
| 10:44.05 | drclaw | x_link: if other people use the system besides you there are probably some better ways to go about it |
| 10:44.14 | amphi | [GABRI]: you could use most as $PAGER |
| 10:44.18 | LinuxHelp | pelzi_ I give up, your / is owned by root right? |
| 10:44.24 | drclaw | or I suppose just for logically doing it, it might be better to do LinuxHelps way |
| 10:44.25 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 10:44.32 | [GABRI] | mm amphi can you give me an example? |
| 10:44.42 | LinuxHelp | and you dont have problems writing to /various-dirs ? |
| 10:44.55 | pelzi_ | well I know that. |
| 10:44.58 | *** join/#debian syntaxx_ (n=syntaxx@unaffiliated/syntaxx) |
| 10:44.59 | LinuxHelp | so why not use the same system for /mnt/x_link/ |
| 10:45.19 | LinuxHelp | I mean "root" is called "root" for a reason you know |
| 10:45.20 | pelzi_ | oh well, I give up... |
| 10:45.29 | amphi | [GABRI]: apt-get install most; export PAGER=/usr/bin/most |
| 10:45.37 | pelzi_ | can't think of a good example. |
| 10:45.42 | drclaw | LinuxHelp: I just figured it's his system, he's always going to use the same user, and giving him perms to write that dir would be easier than adding him to a group that has write perms on that dir |
| 10:45.46 | amphi | [GABRI]: an lo! man pages in garish colours ;) |
| 10:46.16 | LinuxHelp | drclaw, easier than "adduser sedde hdbaccess" |
| 10:46.22 | drclaw | chgrp |
| 10:46.47 | *** join/#debian NLoRD (n=mikeg@83.212.201.17) |
| 10:47.12 | *** join/#debian Heartsbane (n=ne1469@166.70.210.102) |
| 10:47.35 | drclaw | it is, technically less steps to add him rather than create a group and add the group, your point is valid LinuxHelp, but I don't think it matters much in x_link's situation, grants that's persumptious |
| 10:47.37 | *** join/#debian Frizz0 (n=seant@203.144.75.121) |
| 10:47.58 | drclaw | s/grants/granted |
| 10:48.26 | *** join/#debian jcwong (n=catalyst@unaffiliated/jcwong) |
| 10:48.47 | drclaw | my goal was to make it work before he got bored, you're way is better, I agree, but if my assumption about how his system will be used is correct, it really won't matter |
| 10:48.49 | [GABRI] | ohhhhhhhhh amphi thanks thanks thanks thanks |
| 10:48.54 | LinuxHelp | drclaw, well I was just looking at expansion in the future, and its easier to expand a 775 owned by root |
| 10:49.32 | drclaw | you mean owned by group? |
| 10:49.46 | LinuxHelp | well by root:hdbaccess |
| 10:49.57 | amphi | [GABRI]: ugly, huh? ;) |
| 10:50.02 | drclaw | yeah, only in the case of multiple users though no? |
| 10:50.13 | LinuxHelp | Well thats what I mean by expansion yeah |
| 10:50.43 | drclaw | yes, and I agree that you are right, but my thought is, by the time anyone uses his system besides him, he'll have a handle on that |
| 10:51.08 | LinuxHelp | Also, if you have various system users like daemons trying to access /mnt/x_link/ it'll be a problem |
| 10:51.23 | drclaw | I completely agree that your form is more structured and better in a working environment |
| 10:51.31 | *** join/#debian capashen (n=capashen@ANancy-156-1-109-254.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:51.40 | drclaw | but on a single user system, I don't think it really matters |
| 10:52.05 | drclaw | and since yours is better, best practices and all, that's probably what I should have done |
| 10:52.09 | drclaw | but I'm lazy |
| 10:52.26 | *** join/#debian Barnes (n=barnes@c193-150-214-238.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 10:53.01 | drclaw | e.g. my suggestion to crontab your crashing http server ;) |
| 10:53.27 | *** join/#debian zinx (n=zinx@unaffiliated/zinx) |
| 10:53.36 | *** join/#debian opensea (n=opensea@125.213.2.255) |
| 10:53.49 | LinuxHelp | heh, now that would be a BAD idea ;) just imagine all the crackers trying testing there exploits over and over again until they get them perfect |
| 10:53.56 | *** join/#debian vi-config (n=jalandu@74.138.220.60) |
| 10:54.03 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 10:54.15 | pelzi_ | imo it is better to let a service stay down if it crashes |
| 10:54.24 | *** join/#debian Pluk (n=Pluk@11-68-dsl.ipact.nl) |
| 10:54.59 | drclaw | LinuxHelp: well, yes, but atleast you'll have uptime ;) |
| 10:55.16 | *** join/#debian florg (n=florg@z312.sgs.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 10:55.43 | florg | hi, what causes filenames with french accents not to be showed correctly in nautilus? is there any configuration that would solve the problem? |
| 10:56.10 | drclaw | pelzi_: I think finding why it's crashing and fixing it is best, but probably respawning at 4 am is better than waiting till you wake up at noon |
| 10:56.32 | drclaw | I wake up at noon anyhow |
| 10:56.38 | drclaw | sometimes later |
| 10:56.40 | drclaw | ;) |
| 10:56.41 | pelzi_ | locale. but I strongly recommend naming files with only ascii characters |
| 10:56.52 | pelzi_ | well yes, but if the crash is an exploit is very bad. |
| 10:57.01 | drclaw | yes |
| 10:57.14 | pelzi_ | I'd replace a crashing daemon with a working one asap |
| 10:57.37 | drclaw | but you shouldn't be running anything exploitable, if it's 0-day, well you're probably fucked by a sufficently crafted NOOP sled anyhow |
| 10:58.17 | drclaw | I know that's not actaully true in practice, but one way doesn't usually end with customers waking you up |
| 10:58.28 | pelzi_ | well yes |
| 10:58.35 | drclaw | I don't hide that I'm lazy |
| 10:58.50 | drclaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.19 | pelzi_ | a monitoring system to wake you might be the best |
| 10:59.21 | *** join/#debian DaBlade (n=linuxp2p@unaffiliated/dablade) |
| 10:59.43 | SpeedyG | if(error) MAKE_LOUD_NOISE; |
| 10:59.49 | SpeedyG | ;) |
| 10:59.53 | drclaw | bah, I'd rather have it logged that it went down, restart, and let me deal with it on my own time |
| 10:59.57 | drclaw | I'm not a slave to the machine |
| 11:00.05 | drclaw | course I don't have a job right now either |
| 11:00.11 | SpeedyG | drclaw: we all are slaves to the machines :p |
| 11:00.12 | pelzi_ | :P |
| 11:00.15 | drclaw | and it might very well be for that philosphy |
| 11:01.18 | drclaw | go america |
| 11:01.19 | pelzi_ | :P |
| 11:01.28 | *** join/#debian marsovac (n=marsovac@36-158.dsl.iskon.hr) |
| 11:01.34 | pelzi_ | be careful |
| 11:01.50 | Hoxzer | HUHuh |
| 11:01.51 | drclaw | block apnic |
| 11:01.58 | drclaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.00 | DaBlade | marsovac: Kakvo je vrijeme dole u Hrvatskoj? |
| 11:02.12 | pelzi_ | no blacklist war again, PLEASE |
| 11:02.15 | *** join/#debian TasteOfDeath (n=tod@i53875C3F.versanet.de) |
| 11:02.33 | drclaw | so I'm actually writing a filter for postfix to spamassassin, that's why I came here before I forgot |
| 11:02.39 | drclaw | does anyone know spamassassin? |
| 11:02.42 | Hoxzer | has soembody here played oblivion on linux? |
| 11:02.52 | pelzi_ | no |
| 11:02.59 | pelzi_ | see the transgaming DB? |
| 11:03.11 | Hoxzer | pelzi_: yeah, there is pretty bad rating :E |
| 11:03.12 | drclaw | bah transgaming |
| 11:04.09 | drclaw | I've yet to have anything run under cedega, and personally I think it's bunk that they don't share they're dx api ports with wine since wine had the much hard task |
| 11:04.13 | drclaw | but whatever I guess |
| 11:04.18 | LinuxHelp | Hoxzer, I've tried REALLY hard |
| 11:04.18 | *** join/#debian sudharsh (n=sudharsh@59.92.87.87) |
| 11:04.27 | DaBlade | Hoxzer: If you've got a _LOT_ of processing power, you could try VMware. :P |
| 11:04.35 | drclaw | I mean stuff runs under cedega, but no flawlessly |
| 11:04.46 | pelzi_ | vmware has no 3d acceleration afaik |
| 11:04.59 | DaBlade | It doesn't? |
| 11:04.59 | drclaw | it's still really fucking good for what it is, but the real work is the whole win32 api anyhow |
| 11:05.00 | DaBlade | Weird. |
| 11:05.06 | LinuxHelp | Hoxzer, game runs fine, except for the fact that its like 1 fps |
| 11:05.08 | *** join/#debian sabbat_ (n=sabbat@203-206-3-128.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 11:05.11 | pelzi_ | weird? umm... |
| 11:05.16 | *** join/#debian freebsd_fan (n=unsure@sw69x3.foto.gu.se) |
| 11:05.24 | pelzi_ | you try emulating a 3D card :P |
| 11:05.51 | Hoxzer | LinuxHelp: :D "Just fine, just fine" |
| 11:06.00 | drclaw | LinuxHelp, you should probably make sure that you have accelerated free as in beer X graphics drivers |
| 11:06.04 | Hoxzer | yeah,... but anyways I try it |
| 11:06.07 | DaBlade | I thought vmware could make a DRM connection to the graphics card. I must have misunderstood. |
| 11:06.22 | pelzi_ | note "afaik" |
| 11:06.48 | LinuxHelp | I can run CounterStrike 1.6 very well under wine, and various native open gl games as well, so I dont think that drivers are the problem |
| 11:07.01 | drclaw | DaBlade: I have always understood Vmware as not being able to talk to the GPU directly for anything |
| 11:07.08 | *** join/#debian joti_ (n=joti@ip3e83479b.speed.planet.nl) |
| 11:07.12 | DaBlade | My mistake it is then. |
| 11:07.14 | DaBlade | Never mind. |
| 11:07.37 | drclaw | DaBlade: It's still good stuff, but it doesn't virtualize video hardware that way |
| 11:07.54 | x_link | drclaw: sorry |
| 11:07.59 | DaBlade | I just wish Xen would hurry up and finish their x86 Windows support. |
| 11:08.00 | x_link | I got a VERY important phonecall |
| 11:08.02 | drclaw | I mean it could be different now, but I don't do it |
| 11:08.09 | pelzi_ | it could, but vms have bad IO performance so it would be kind of stupid |
| 11:08.11 | drclaw | so I wouldn't knwo |
| 11:08.24 | pelzi_ | umm... isn't Xen unable to |
| 11:08.26 | x_link | drclaw: sedde@c83-249-192-67:~$ ls /mnt/x_link |
| 11:08.26 | x_link | lost+found mydir privateparts.txt |
| 11:08.26 | x_link | sedde@c83-249-192-67:~$ |
| 11:08.27 | *** join/#debian zly (n=zly@d40a7cd1.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 11:08.34 | pelzi_ | Xen needs OS support, and MS is MS |
| 11:08.43 | *** join/#debian dpkg (n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 11:08.43 | x_link | drclaw: WOW, the hdd works now =) |
| 11:08.45 | LinuxHelp | x_link :D |
| 11:08.50 | x_link | I can make new folders and save files |
| 11:08.51 | x_link | LinuxHelp: =) |
| 11:09.03 | blondie | x_link: they're called directories not folders |
| 11:09.04 | x_link | LinuxHelp & drclaw Thanks ALOT !!!! |
| 11:09.10 | drclaw | pelzi_: well, VMs don't have to be crappy with video, I think it's more or less a fit the lowest common denomonator thing |
| 11:09.16 | x_link | blondie: I still got a bit Windows in me. |
| 11:09.18 | x_link | hehe |
| 11:09.21 | drclaw | x_link: all good? |
| 11:09.26 | pelzi_ | drclaw: they still have bad IO performance |
| 11:09.46 | x_link | drclaw: Looks like that yes, when I right click int eh DIRECTORY now then I can chooes Create New Folder etc |
| 11:09.49 | pelzi_ | drclaw: you could just run a dummy opengl driver on the VM and pipe the calls to the host |
| 11:09.49 | *** part/#debian maci (n=web1@62.75.251.215) |
| 11:09.54 | *** join/#debian ghigomatto (n=ghigo@host19-200-static.118-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:10.07 | x_link | But if I change the name of mydir, will everything get messed up then ? |
| 11:10.10 | drclaw | well if you mean they need to be relayed than yeah obviously, but it's like running some fb equiv of a 3d chipset |
| 11:10.20 | drclaw | I mean it is, but it doesn't have to be |
| 11:10.27 | *** join/#debian xkill_ (n=wntrmut@clx-ac2-67-3.westend.com) |
| 11:10.32 | pelzi_ | relaying would be the fastest way |
| 11:10.33 | drclaw | if nvidia would actually open up, etc |
| 11:10.46 | pelzi_ | I think |
| 11:10.59 | drclaw | that's what vmware does essentially for everything else |
| 11:11.32 | drclaw | yeah I agree translating non native opengl to opengl would blow |
| 11:11.41 | x_link | drclaw: Now when I changed the name of mydir in /mnt/x_link that lock from the Found+Lost directory went away |
| 11:11.50 | drclaw | and people should just make they're crap portable |
| 11:11.56 | x_link | Can I delete Found+Loset ? |
| 11:12.01 | LinuxHelp | yup |
| 11:12.07 | x_link | LinuxHelp: Talking to me? |
| 11:12.10 | drclaw | but I think things like vmware, and to a far lesser extent bochs are good steps |
| 11:12.10 | LinuxHelp | yup |
| 11:12.24 | x_link | Okey, so it will not mess up anything ? |
| 11:12.27 | drclaw | x_link: yup, what LinuxHelp said |
| 11:12.31 | LinuxHelp | yup |
| 11:12.32 | pelzi_ | drclaw: yep, but vmware has other uses too |
| 11:12.35 | x_link | Okey. |
| 11:12.42 | x_link | Then I will delete it n ow. |
| 11:12.51 | x_link | THANKS ALOT LinuxHelp and drclaw |
| 11:13.01 | x_link | I REALLY appreciate it, I'm really greatfull for the help. |
| 11:13.07 | x_link | I really mean it, thanks alot !!! |
| 11:13.13 | LinuxHelp | x_link, will there be any other users in future? |
| 11:13.14 | drclaw | pelzi_: word, my favorite use is for testing installers, install some crap, reboot without saving the changed and than reinstall dependencies |
| 11:13.15 | x_link | Freenode RULES ! hehe |
| 11:13.36 | x_link | LinuxHelp: Maybe, but I don't think so. I'm the only one using this machine. |
| 11:13.43 | drclaw | x_link: come back if you need help |
| 11:13.50 | x_link | Sure I will. |
| 11:14.01 | x_link | I'm here all the time. |
| 11:14.05 | LinuxHelp | okay then nm, your setup is unethical, but FINE for now ;) |
| 11:14.14 | *** join/#debian syntaxis_ (n=syntaxis@cpc1-lamb2-0-0-cust860.bmly.cable.ntl.com) |
| 11:14.51 | pelzi_ | drclaw: yep. I'm waiting for the new CPUs with virtualization extensions, they'd rock for playing with embedded unices |
| 11:15.08 | pelzi_ | or, well, not really |
| 11:15.24 | pelzi_ | the performance of vmware is fine for most embedded stuff |
| 11:15.34 | pelzi_ | but for the non-portable junk it would rock |
| 11:16.31 | *** join/#debian r40j (n=r40j@host81-155-173-241.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:16.35 | drclaw | ]Gnea[: organizationally purity |
| 11:16.52 | r40j | can anyone tell me how you're meant to get your first domain using your own dns server.. what do I have to do to the record so I can just in future get all other domains to just point to ns1.firstdomain.com & ns2... ???? |
| 11:16.59 | ]Gnea[ | drclaw: so that's just a fancy way of saying 'suicide' |
| 11:17.00 | r40j | maybe im not understanding something here... |
| 11:17.08 | LinuxHelp | The best way, to remove lost+found, is to move to xfs |
| 11:17.14 | incorrect | im trying to increase my cvs servers performance, i've upped the shared buffers, increased the number of open files allowed |
| 11:17.21 | incorrect | what else can i do? |
| 11:17.35 | ]Gnea[ | incorrect: test it |
| 11:18.05 | incorrect | im testing, its not very quick |
| 11:18.17 | incorrect | the system seems to be backed up with processes, but the cpu is idle |
| 11:18.18 | pelzi_ | wouldn't noatime work? or does it break cvs |
| 11:18.21 | litage | i'm rsyncing a directory on my local machine with a directory on a samba share. why would rsync copy over some files that haven't been touched since before the last rsync? |
| 11:18.41 | incorrect | i've already set noatime |
| 11:18.42 | ]Gnea[ | incorrect: have you tried installing svn? |
| 11:18.42 | pelzi_ | litage: windows filesystems + rsync = problems |
| 11:18.46 | drclaw | r40j: I will give you rogue unothodox methods that will raise the browse of non BOFH's, or you can listen to these guys who are actually far better equiped to answer you |
| 11:18.47 | incorrect | har har |
| 11:18.57 | incorrect | i will migrate to subversion soon |
| 11:18.59 | litage | pelzi_: everything's debian |
| 11:19.02 | ]Gnea[ | :) |
| 11:19.22 | pelzi_ | litage: Samba might still use the 2 second accurate timestamps, don't know |
| 11:19.22 | *** join/#debian LoneWlf` (n=lone@ip68-228-208-196.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 11:19.56 | *** join/#debian cheeksy (n=ambrosia@aworklan025162.netvigator.com) |
| 11:19.56 | litage | pelzi_: what do you mean by "the 2 second accurate timestamps"? |
| 11:19.57 | *** join/#debian ecc (n=ecc@client-86-27-50-203.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) |
| 11:20.02 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: file locking is a good thing at times |
| 11:20.16 | pelzi_ | Windows used to store time with a 2 second accuracy. |
| 11:20.41 | pelzi_ | ]Gnea[: in reference to what, noatime? |
| 11:20.41 | LinuxHelp | Does any1 know of an up-to-date beginners guide to setting up a basic (exim?) mail server? |
| 11:20.46 | blondie | pelzi_: you mean fat32 did/does |
| 11:20.49 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 11:20.53 | LinuxHelp | ^^ on debs stable |
| 11:20.56 | litage | pelzi_: ah. well, there's no windows here, so i don't think that's causing this |
| 11:21.09 | pelzi_ | I hope the smb protocol is smarter |
| 11:21.16 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: basically, good for when people need to access the same file a lot of times and make changes to it |
| 11:21.37 | ]Gnea[ | !any1 |
| 11:21.38 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 11:21.45 | LinuxHelp | !anybody |
| 11:21.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:22.12 | blondie | LinuxHelp: apt-get install exim. |
| 11:22.16 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 11:22.22 | pelzi_ | the config is pretty easy |
| 11:22.24 | x_link | Linux is fantastic. |
| 11:22.24 | LinuxHelp | blondie, got that part right ;) |
| 11:22.33 | x_link | I don't regreet a second that I installed it. |
| 11:22.36 | blondie | btw, debian's exim config fucking sucks |
| 11:22.40 | pelzi_ | I was hopelessly confused at start, but a small MTA isn't a difficult setup |
| 11:22.40 | x_link | But it's hard as hell now in the beginning. |
| 11:22.45 | petemc | blondie: why is that? |
| 11:22.52 | blondie | the way it splits everything up |
| 11:23.02 | petemc | blondie: thats an option - dont use it |
| 11:23.04 | blondie | (even when you tell it not to) |
| 11:23.07 | ]Gnea[ | blondie: uh, it offers you a choice, holmes |
| 11:23.09 | blondie | no, it's not an option |
| 11:23.14 | petemc | yes, it is |
| 11:23.16 | blondie | it does it anyway. |
| 11:23.18 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 11:23.27 | ]Gnea[ | no it doesn't. |
| 11:23.27 | blondie | and just merges the changes to 100 different files together |
| 11:23.30 | pelzi_ | you can use a monolithic config just fine. |
| 11:23.31 | blondie | yes it does. |
| 11:23.37 | petemc | blondie: /etc/exim4/exim4.conf - put your config there, it will be used when you restart exim |
| 11:23.41 | *** join/#debian Knorrie (n=krh@tom.ti.thrijswijk.nl) |
| 11:23.50 | ]Gnea[ | it creates the directories, but it won't write the individual files unless you tell it to, IIRC |
| 11:24.23 | petemc | it allows thousands of people who would never grok exim to use it |
| 11:24.37 | petemc | whether thats a good thing or not.. |
| 11:24.38 | *** part/#debian r40j (n=r40j@host81-155-173-241.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:24.43 | ]Gnea[ | heh |
| 11:24.51 | LinuxHelp | my /etc/exim/exim.conf is empty |
| 11:25.26 | ]Gnea[ | sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim-config |
| 11:25.29 | LinuxHelp | What are the other config files? Like where do I create email accounts? |
| 11:25.54 | *** join/#debian D4m4ge (n=D4m4ge@86.72.35.129) |
| 11:26.01 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.07 | ]Gnea[ | LinuxHelp: www.exim.org, they have an excellent FAQ there that will answer all of your questions, and then some |
| 11:26.27 | ]Gnea[ | LinuxHelp: so install exim4, it's better |
| 11:26.36 | petemc | http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 11:26.43 | blondie | LinuxHelp: user accounts are email accounts |
| 11:26.50 | blondie | (generally) |
| 11:27.06 | ]Gnea[ | http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4 |
| 11:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 700] by debhelper |
| 11:28.01 | drclaw | what do you do in alsa config before it works? |
| 11:28.12 | LinuxHelp | blondie, oh |
| 11:28.40 | blondie | you can put aliases in /etc/aliases to have more pointing at the same user |
| 11:28.43 | blondie | or use + addressing |
| 11:29.08 | ]Gnea[ | i just run alsaconf and let udev take care of the rest |
| 11:29.33 | litage | how do you tell /bin/cp to not prompt for overwriting? |
| 11:29.47 | blondie | -f |
| 11:29.49 | drclaw | -f ? |
| 11:29.50 | cahoot | linux-sound-base and alsa-utils should be all you need - no real need run alsaconf |
| 11:29.51 | ]Gnea[ | litage: are you serious? |
| 11:30.01 | litage | ]Gnea[: yeah, why? |
| 11:30.04 | *** join/#debian Quark (n=AC@host71-124-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:30.08 | ]Gnea[ | litage: it's in the manpage |
| 11:30.17 | drclaw | export cp=cp -f |
| 11:30.25 | blondie | drclaw: that's a stupid idea |
| 11:30.32 | litage | ]Gnea[: i've read through the manpage twice. -f still prompts for overwrites |
| 11:30.32 | ]Gnea[ | alias cp='cp -f' |
| 11:30.42 | drclaw | blondie: not as stupid as export ls=rm -rf / |
| 11:30.46 | CaT[tm] | litage: unalias cp |
| 11:30.51 | *** join/#debian Suprano (n=anonym00@84.245.165.10) |
| 11:30.52 | *** join/#debian yure (n=yure@BSN-77-157-214.dsl.siol.net) |
| 11:30.53 | LinuxHelp | Do I need to register my mail server box.actionpos.co.za at any special place? Like a mail-name-translation-to-ip type thing? |
| 11:30.54 | *** join/#debian js__ (i=js@ua-83-227-232-164.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 11:30.55 | ]Gnea[ | litage: type alias by itself and hit enter, is cp there? |
| 11:30.55 | CaT[tm] | litage: cp, by default does not prompt |
| 11:31.05 | pelzi_ | /bin/cp |
| 11:31.14 | litage | ah right :) found the alias. thanks guys |
| 11:31.27 | *** join/#debian Quark (n=AC@host71-124-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:32.02 | drclaw | you don't need to actually say alias if you define it in a bash variable right? I mean provided that bash instance is your shell? |
| 11:32.15 | drclaw | my whole export thing that is, I assume it works, never tried |
| 11:32.36 | ]Gnea[ | drclaw: well export is for environment variables, not directed commands |
| 11:33.06 | drclaw | yeah but I thought there would be some command substitution magic there |
| 11:33.08 | *** join/#debian pzn (i=foobar@200-158-81-194.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 11:33.41 | ]Gnea[ | but why use something that isn't designed for something else when something else already exists for it? |
| 11:33.42 | LinuxHelp | Hmm, can someone please spam that email address above, and pastebin any error message email you might get back? |
| 11:33.46 | *** join/#debian DlRotaru (n=tony@86.121.24.11) |
| 11:33.50 | ]Gnea[ | IOW, why reinvent the wheel? |
| 11:33.55 | ]Gnea[ | LinuxHelp: no. |
| 11:34.05 | pzn | Hi. ps2pdf is producing pdf files with lower quality... I didn't find in manpage a option to improve quality. does anyone knows how to produce pdf files with good quality from ps files? |
| 11:34.06 | LinuxHelp | ? |
| 11:34.11 | drclaw | yeah that doesn't work at all |
| 11:34.39 | blondie | LinuxHelp: your MX records aren't setup properly. |
| 11:34.49 | pelzi_ | pzn: try printing the PDF |
| 11:35.00 | pelzi_ | pzn: at least xpdf displays blurry, but prints fine |
| 11:35.00 | ]Gnea[ | pzn: do you have a scanner? |
| 11:35.13 | azeem | pzn: there is also pstopdf (so to instead of 2) |
| 11:35.27 | pelzi_ | pzn: PS to PDF should be pretty much a transparent thing |
| 11:35.35 | drclaw | ]Gnea[, well my whole expot thing was way off base, but I think you'll find if you actually look that systems that prompt you yes or no to overwrite a file with cp have actually overrride cp with an alias with expressly prompt that question |
| 11:35.53 | drclaw | cp -o |
| 11:35.57 | drclaw | er cp -i |
| 11:35.59 | drclaw | typo |
| 11:36.05 | drclaw | beer.. you know how it is |
| 11:36.17 | ]Gnea[ | right, just a simple .bashrc edit :) |
| 11:36.21 | ]Gnea[ | ah, wish i had beer |
| 11:36.27 | ]Gnea[ | went shopping a bit too late |
| 11:36.32 | *** join/#debian loser (i=retard@unaffiliated/retard) |
| 11:36.36 | *** join/#debian zamar (n=zamar@dsl-tregw3-fe44df00-205.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 11:36.45 | pzn | pelzi_, the fonts became blurry... is seems there is no antialiasing, or other thing. I compared the printed copy with xpdf and acroread too. ps print is very good. |
| 11:36.52 | drclaw | so yeah anyhow, I'll bet you money that you can never collect that cp will by default overwrite files, so aliasing cp -f isn't any worse than the distro that aliases cp -i to cp |
| 11:37.01 | *** join/#debian ji (n=jiiii@c213-100-19-206.swipnet.se) |
| 11:37.06 | *** join/#debian neqael (i=neqael@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x791B2A70) |
| 11:37.38 | pelzi_ | pzn: well, you are probably missing the fonts... PS is complicated and I forgot the name of the common problem :( |
| 11:37.51 | ]Gnea[ | drclaw: if there was any money to collect, i wouldn't be the one collecting ;) |
| 11:37.55 | possie | is there a way to, install a debian system, configure everything, then burn it tocd somehow, and send the cd to a remote administrator let him but in the cd, and start the unattended installation? |
| 11:37.56 | pzn | azeem, I didn't find pstopdf. do you know which package? |
| 11:37.56 | drclaw | so *cough* *throat clear* Na-na.. Na na na.. to whoever told me I was crazy |
| 11:37.58 | *** join/#debian nospam (n=nospam@81.193.70.63) |
| 11:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 706] by debhelper |
| 11:38.17 | loser | is debian the only universal operating system ?.... :P |
| 11:38.25 | drclaw | ]Gnea[, really I thought you said something, damnit, I've got the attention span of a goldfish |
| 11:38.33 | ]Gnea[ | possie: how similar is the target system? |
| 11:38.46 | ]Gnea[ | drclaw: look toward the light... |
| 11:38.55 | *** part/#debian D4m4ge (n=D4m4ge@86.72.35.129) |
| 11:38.56 | ]Gnea[ | and swim fast ;) |
| 11:39.08 | pzn | loser, we don't communicate with other planets. so maybe there are a few universal OSs in the galaxy that we don't know. |
| 11:39.16 | possie | ]Gnea[, well i was hoping that i could be a differnent system, so it would detect harware etc, if it would be the same i could have done a 'dd' of the installation |
| 11:39.25 | drclaw | ah ah, so unless I'm taking this totally out of context what did you mean by '<]Gnea[> but why use something that isn't designed for something else when |
| 11:39.25 | drclaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.29 | drclaw | my goal was to make it work before he got bored, you're way is better, I agree, but if my assumption about how his system will be used is correct, it really won't matter' |
| 11:39.38 | ]Gnea[ | .... |
| 11:39.50 | pelzi_ | in my experience Debian can be transferred pretty well between different systems of the same arch. |
| 11:40.36 | ]Gnea[ | at that point you might as well be using a livecd |
| 11:40.38 | drclaw | oh damn I think I was scrolled up.. that can only serve to make me see crazy/insane/dumb/bofh/noobish, won't stop me from giving ill advice to the next person to come to the channel though |
| 11:40.49 | drclaw | s/see/seem |
| 11:41.00 | keko_ | where i can get xxms presets :) |
| 11:41.12 | pelzi_ | eq? |
| 11:41.19 | pelzi_ | just buy bigger speakers :P |
| 11:41.27 | keko_ | :D |
| 11:41.29 | keko_ | hi pelzi_ |
| 11:41.30 | ]Gnea[ | drclaw: step away from the keyboard and go empty your bladder :P |
| 11:41.35 | pelzi_ | huomenta |
| 11:41.55 | keko_ | :) moro |
| 11:42.12 | drclaw | ]Gnea[ : I swear you said somthing about not aliases cp to cp -f |
| 11:42.22 | drclaw | am I completely off base? |
| 11:42.27 | ]Gnea[ | drclaw: yes. |
| 11:42.29 | ]Gnea[ | :) |
| 11:42.51 | ]Gnea[ | base is here >.< and you are floating on cloud #9 |
| 11:42.55 | drclaw | and I just did empty my bladder for your info, but I think it'll take a few before the effects catch up.. (latency) |
| 11:42.59 | pelzi_ | just my 2 cents, keep the alias and use /bin/cp when you really know what you are doing |
| 11:43.18 | *** join/#debian LinuxHelp (n=misha@dsl-165-230-97.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 11:43.21 | drclaw | yes, but you know cloud nine isn't so bad if the lsd doesn't burn your eyes |
| 11:43.30 | ]Gnea[ | true |
| 11:43.48 | LinuxHelp | I have a user on my system which I dont remember creating :/ how do I check when last "robin" logged in? |
| 11:44.01 | ]Gnea[ | LinuxHelp: last |
| 11:44.09 | drclaw | ok so my point is, that cp -f aliasing isn't at all a bad thing, cause if you have the need to do it, it probably means that your distro aliases cp to cp -i |
| 11:44.11 | *** join/#debian freebsd_fan (n=unsure@sw69x3.foto.gu.se) |
| 11:44.20 | drclaw | so bam I'm right |
| 11:44.40 | drclaw | unless your point was that you should just destroy the inital alias, in that case... |
| 11:44.50 | drclaw | I'lll sit here and type some random stuff] |
| 11:44.59 | drclaw | and then empty my bladder agaiun |
| 11:45.01 | drclaw | again |
| 11:45.33 | ]Gnea[ | but most distros come with a predefined bashrc script, which either sets it or leaves the potential for it to be set. in Debian's case, it's potential and commented out. For root, though, I believe it's there, or at least used to be. i'm tired, so i don't really recall at this point. but today's installations don't have it enabled by default. |
| 11:45.40 | drclaw | wow, I really shouldn't have a keyboard |
| 11:45.49 | ]Gnea[ | :) |
| 11:46.20 | *** join/#debian |garo| (n=garo@dD5778861.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:46.32 | drclaw | ]Gnea[ ok, wait, see I said that before I read your response, I still hold by the idea that overwriting the alias is fine if that's the behavior you want |
| 11:47.12 | ]Gnea[ | drclaw: where did you say that? |
| 11:47.50 | |garo| | Why does debian give 755 as permission to /root ? Shouldn't this be 750 ? |
| 11:48.02 | pelzi_ | it should, imo |
| 11:48.06 | drclaw | just now I guess, I thought that's what I infered early, I might have said something about how the new Shaggy Dog isn't nearly as good as the orignally Disney Shaggy DA for all I know |
| 11:48.09 | ]Gnea[ | |garo|: that's an excercise left up to the admin |
| 11:48.13 | drclaw | they were in fact, pretty close |
| 11:48.21 | drclaw | I mean one had more psudeo science |
| 11:48.33 | drclaw | but that's too be expected in the 21st centuryt |
| 11:48.36 | drclaw | with a t |
| 11:48.49 | ]Gnea[ | what does shaggy dog have to do with cp aliasing? |
| 11:48.52 | *** join/#debian solars (n=Johnny@chello080109141057.tirol.surfer.at) |
| 11:49.04 | |garo| | ]Gnea[: "an excercise left up to the admin"... Is that a marketing term for security bug ? ;) |
| 11:49.28 | ]Gnea[ | |garo|: debian is a free (as in beer) OS, we don't need no marketing ;) |
| 11:49.39 | pelzi_ | I strongly prefer the openbsd "secure by default" policy |
| 11:49.48 | |garo| | Did i make a mistake during the installation or does everybody have 750 as /root permission ? |
| 11:49.52 | pelzi_ | it's "default block" at its best |
| 11:49.54 | ]Gnea[ | then install openbsd and use that |
| 11:50.05 | pelzi_ | umm? |
| 11:50.06 | pelzi_ | I do |
| 11:50.11 | pelzi_ | and I also use debian |
| 11:50.14 | Guerin | drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4096 2006-10-19 20:25 root |
| 11:50.22 | ]Gnea[ | |garo|: debian does that by default to 755. if you want to change it, then do so. |
| 11:50.24 | *** join/#debian syntaxis (n=syntaxis@cpc1-lamb2-0-0-cust860.bmly.cable.ntl.com) |
| 11:50.32 | pelzi_ | maybe he asked why? |
| 11:50.34 | Guerin | drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 2006-09-06 23:53 root |
| 11:50.46 | Guerin | first is sid, second is woody |
| 11:50.55 | ]Gnea[ | ok, i shall explain more clearly: because that's how it is. |
| 11:50.57 | drclaw | ]Gnea[, ok I think I'm almost done, can we agree that it's kinda lame to alias cp to cp -i if the user is used to normal cp? |
| 11:51.06 | pelzi_ | oh please |
| 11:51.08 | *** join/#debian cbr (n=cbr@84-50-136-187-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) |
| 11:51.10 | ]Gnea[ | drclaw: extremely. |
| 11:51.16 | Guerin | |garo|: if you care a lot, file a bug, or talk about it on debian-security mailing list |
| 11:51.22 | drclaw | isn't that what this was all about? |
| 11:51.30 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: don' |
| 11:51.32 | ]Gnea[ | ter |
| 11:51.42 | pelzi_ | I think it has already been discussed |
| 11:51.45 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: don't "oh please" me about the truth. |
| 11:51.49 | Guerin | |garo|: but it's not actually insecure - nothing valuable should be in there anyhow. Anything of consequence should be in a protected subdir of /root |
| 11:52.10 | pelzi_ | but is it an inconvenience either? |
| 11:52.17 | pelzi_ | do lusers ever need to look in /root? |
| 11:52.39 | ]Gnea[ | if there's nothing of importance in /root, does it need a pad? |
| 11:52.42 | drclaw | pelzi_: no |
| 11:52.57 | Guerin | ]Gnea[: get a real nick |
| 11:53.03 | ]Gnea[ | Guerin: blow me. |
| 11:53.09 | drclaw | pelzi_: unless you do something really messed up just for that reason |
| 11:53.11 | Guerin | ]Gnea[: pfft, pfffft |
| 11:53.16 | ]Gnea[ | heh |
| 11:53.19 | pelzi_ | drclaw: yep. |
| 11:53.31 | drclaw | Guerin: you have no sense of ascii art |
| 11:53.39 | Guerin | drclaw: right you are. |
| 11:53.45 | ]Gnea[ | drclaw: that's not necessarily a bad thing. |
| 11:53.47 | pelzi_ | drclaw: exactly my point. so why have it readable for the minority that do messed up stuff... |
| 11:54.00 | Guerin | pelzi_: what can they do with that's in YOUR /root? |
| 11:54.08 | *** join/#debian metrics (n=metrics@r125-63-139-70.cpe.unwired.net.au) |
| 11:54.12 | drclaw | Guerin: I hope you can at least appreciate escaped ansi art sequences |
| 11:54.15 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: what's the chance that they'll be able to do messed up stuff? |
| 11:54.25 | pelzi_ | not the point |
| 11:54.30 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: and even if they do attain root access somehow, it wouldn't matter anymore. |
| 11:54.40 | pelzi_ | still not my point |
| 11:54.44 | drclaw | pelzi_: ... most users can read /root ? |
| 11:54.49 | ]Gnea[ | which is still undefined. |
| 11:54.56 | pelzi_ | if it could be non-world-readable by default, why isn't it? |
| 11:55.09 | pelzi_ | it wouldn't hurt anyone and not decrease security |
| 11:55.12 | ]Gnea[ | again, why have it non-world-readable? |
| 11:55.12 | drclaw | why isn't everyones home directory? |
| 11:55.19 | drclaw | history? |
| 11:55.26 | drclaw | I like to share |
| 11:55.30 | Guerin | vadreas:~# ls /root |
| 11:55.31 | Guerin | archive_key.asc fuckups iptables.txt telstra.txt |
| 11:55.31 | pelzi_ | public_html needs readable homes |
| 11:55.33 | *** join/#debian zerocomm (n=zerocomm@70-32-118-227.vnnyca.adelphia.net) |
| 11:55.42 | Guerin | pelzi_: bring it owwwwwn! |
| 11:55.44 | drclaw | it saves me time from putting the latest Office(US).dvix in /tmpo |
| 11:55.47 | drclaw | er /tmp |
| 11:55.51 | ]Gnea[ | who the hell uses /root/public_html ? |
| 11:55.58 | drclaw | not so funny when you need to correct it |
| 11:56.01 | pelzi_ | I was talking about lusers... |
| 11:56.02 | |garo| | I can't find any reason why /root should be world-readable, so changing it to 750 seems like the best thing to do. The advantage is small, true... but there is no disadvantage ! |
| 11:56.03 | zerocomm | hey guys. i have flash 9 installed, but im getting no sound. flash 7 has sound just fine though. anyone know whats up? |
| 11:56.12 | ]Gnea[ | hello? apache only reads the base from /home not / |
| 11:56.31 | Guerin | zerocomm: flash is shit. Complain to adobe. |
| 11:56.32 | cahoot | zerocomm: IIRC it uses alsa by default |
| 11:56.32 | zerocomm | oh,and alsa is installed |
| 11:56.33 | drclaw | ln uses /root/public_html for it's super sym'yness to /var/www |
| 11:56.39 | vorsprung | public_html could be in a group which the webserver can access |
| 11:56.47 | drclaw | on that distro I haven't made yet... |
| 11:56.55 | zerocomm | yeah, i know |
| 11:57.03 | pelzi_ | |garo|: exactly my point. secure by default is a good idea |
| 11:57.03 | zerocomm | flash is shit doesnt help a lot |
| 11:57.13 | *** join/#debian opensea (n=opensea@125.213.2.255) |
| 11:57.13 | ]Gnea[ | dude, sunday's not for a few more days, go back to bed |
| 11:57.14 | Guerin | zerocomm: complain to adboe does. |
| 11:57.16 | vorsprung | you could set x to world on everyones directory, then they can open subdirectories if they want |
| 11:57.22 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 11:57.31 | drclaw | zerocomm: I don't think you do, cause my distro aliases /etc/passwd to dev random, good luck loggin in biot |
| 11:57.31 | Guerin | the more people complain, the more likely it is they make something that's not shit for linux |
| 11:57.34 | azeem | Adobe released Flash9 Beta for Linux this week, btw |
| 11:57.34 | drclaw | biotch* |
| 11:57.40 | *** join/#debian mike (n=mike@85.148.12.76) |
| 11:57.40 | drclaw | that's not really funny at all |
| 11:57.44 | drclaw | god damnit |
| 11:57.45 | azeem | it's based on GTK+ |
| 11:57.47 | Guerin | azeem: oh, it's a beta? |
| 11:57.52 | zerocomm | ok |
| 11:57.55 | azeem | and alsa |
| 11:57.56 | vorsprung | one day linux will have ACLs as standard |
| 11:57.58 | ]Gnea[ | azeem: and it works quite nicely in debian |
| 11:58.09 | azeem | yeah, everybody seems to be really happy about it |
| 11:58.16 | vorsprung | until that moment it is more complicated |
| 11:58.17 | azeem | except it's still closed source, of course |
| 11:58.18 | Guerin | azeem: why is /root 755, not 750? |
| 11:58.19 | ]Gnea[ | which can only mean one thing.... |
| 11:58.26 | azeem | Guerin: no idea |
| 11:58.34 | ]Gnea[ | that a lot of people are gonna get pissed off next week :) |
| 11:58.34 | *** join/#debian krifur (n=krifur@AToulouse-152-1-64-56.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:58.36 | Guerin | azeem: care to speculate? |
| 11:58.38 | drclaw | Guerin: honestly who the hell cares? |
| 11:58.52 | drclaw | what do you do in /root that you shouldn't be doing in /usr/src anyhow? |
| 11:58.54 | azeem | Guerin: probably you're not supposed to put important stuff there anyway, and if you do, you're root, so just chmod yourself |
| 11:58.59 | Guerin | drclaw: well, everyone's been talking about it for the past 20 minutes, so I figure a few people do |
| 11:59.18 | blondie | Guerin: because the default permissions in debian are dumb? |
| 11:59.24 | blondie | same applies to /home/* |
| 11:59.25 | drclaw | Guerin: well, I haven't, cause I'm oblivious, so ehhhgn, take that |
| 11:59.35 | pelzi_ | my point is just: non-world-readable /root is a tiny bit more secure, and nobody has given any good reason to keep it world-readable |
| 11:59.39 | drclaw | holy fuck it's day lighjt |
| 11:59.45 | Guerin | blondie: see, nobody's actually come up with a reasonable instance where /root being readable is insecure. |
| 11:59.47 | drclaw | this isn't going to be good |
| 11:59.50 | ]Gnea[ | azeem: this guy came in and was wondering why default permissions are lax on root's homedir, which doesn't, by default, contain anything important as it is. |
| 12:00.00 | *** join/#debian quitte (n=quitte@stgt-d9be3651.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 12:00.01 | Guerin | blondie: and /home/* asks you in debconf |
| 12:00.08 | cpop | can anyone tell me what this is? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4133 |
| 12:00.09 | blondie | Guerin: it does not ask you in sarge. |
| 12:00.14 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: yes, i have: /root doesn't have anything in it that makes it insecure by default. |
| 12:00.16 | blondie | erm |
| 12:00.18 | blondie | Guerin: in etch I mean. |
| 12:00.25 | Guerin | blondie: it does in etch |
| 12:00.32 | blondie | it most certainly does not. |
| 12:00.37 | Guerin | i know this because I installed two of them a month or so ago |
| 12:00.45 | blondie | I know this because I did the same. |
| 12:00.46 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: even if you can list the files there, it's not going to do any good on a default installation since they can't be read anyhow |
| 12:00.50 | pelzi_ | even if there isn't anything insecure, WHO needs a world-readable /root |
| 12:00.59 | *** join/#debian Braindead (n=braindea@81-208-60-194.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 12:01.03 | Guerin | pelzi_: why not just make everything unreadable? |
| 12:01.07 | pelzi_ | who would suffer from a non-world-readable one? |
| 12:01.09 | blondie | pelzi_: solaris users might ask who needs a /root at all :) |
| 12:01.12 | drclaw | Guerin: ok, what about an app, that doesn't get it's current working directory, but assumes a working directory of ~user, and it dies, horribly, with sensitive info in memory, and leaves a world readable dump in /root ? |
| 12:01.23 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: who's going to suffer from a world-readable one? |
| 12:01.32 | Guerin | pelzi_: who suffers from having it readable? incompetent admins, who put important stuff in without protecting it? |
| 12:01.32 | drclaw | Guerin: there might not be one yet, but I think I can code it |
| 12:01.35 | ]Gnea[ | the inexperienced, perhaps? |
| 12:01.38 | pelzi_ | people have to chmod it if they want to. |
| 12:02.03 | ]Gnea[ | that's right, and that's the way it should be, so that people actually learn the system instead of having it handed to them on a silver platter. |
| 12:02.10 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 12:02.10 | drclaw | oh they aren't actually readable? |
| 12:02.13 | ]Gnea[ | yes. |
| 12:02.23 | pelzi_ | the system should be as closed down and secure as possible. |
| 12:02.28 | drclaw | oh well than shit, why are people bitching? |
| 12:02.35 | Guerin | drclaw: incompetent admins who run incompetently-made programs? |
| 12:02.36 | pelzi_ | then the users need to learn how to configure it to make it usable. |
| 12:02.44 | cpop | why on earth is dpkg periodically re-extracting the files from certain deb's? |
| 12:02.49 | pelzi_ | the other way around, we get insecure systems. |
| 12:02.51 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: then format the disk, toss the system in the trash and go play with a yo-yo |
| 12:02.52 | *** join/#debian opensea (n=opensea@125.213.2.255) |
| 12:02.53 | Guerin | drclaw: at very least, the *file* should be 600 |
| 12:03.01 | drclaw | Guerin: this might be the least of they're worries |
| 12:03.19 | drclaw | what the hell do you put in /root, seriously, anything? I don't |
| 12:03.22 | Guerin | \pif root needs to *learn* how to change a permission, then he's not worth the name |
| 12:03.28 | Guerin | drclaw: exactly |
| 12:03.35 | pelzi_ | well, anyway |
| 12:03.45 | blondie | drclaw: I do. |
| 12:03.55 | Guerin | as you can see, i have a file called telstra.txt, which contains then phone number and name of my telstra rep |
| 12:03.56 | pelzi_ | if the system is secure by default, root needs to learn how to disable that security -> he has to learn |
| 12:03.57 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: so *THAT'S* why debian isn't a good installation candidate for mission critical applications where the admin doesn't know what s/he's doing.... DUH! |
| 12:04.01 | cpop | looks like dpkg is messing up my /var and crashing my daemons when it does that, anybody? |
| 12:04.04 | pelzi_ | if he has to learn how to secure it, that's wrong. |
| 12:04.07 | drclaw | blondie: what do you put there and why? |
| 12:04.20 | Guerin | a gpg key which is publicly available on the web |
| 12:04.25 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: you, sir, are an idiot. |
| 12:04.25 | Braindead | "mission critical" and "noob admin" kinda collide anyway |
| 12:04.28 | Guerin | and an empty file called 'fuckups' |
| 12:04.40 | drclaw | speaking of telephony text files, anyone have a recent lerg? |
| 12:04.44 | ]Gnea[ | Braindead: no need to tell me that |
| 12:04.45 | pelzi_ | ]Gnea[: what a smart argument. |
| 12:04.52 | Guerin | pelzi_: if root needs to *learn* how to change a permission, then he's not worth the name |
| 12:05.02 | blondie | drclaw: "why not" |
| 12:05.06 | Guerin | pelzi_: your whole argument falls apart here |
| 12:05.10 | pelzi_ | no, if root has to bother. |
| 12:05.16 | pelzi_ | why make him do more work? |
| 12:05.23 | *** join/#debian nemontemi (n=u4gvn@unaffiliated/nemontemi) |
| 12:05.28 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: if the admin isn't human, then the admin isn't going to learn. and if the admin isn't human, then who in their right mind would pay such an entity to begin with? |
| 12:05.30 | Guerin | pelzi_: if root doesn't know that much, *no* system will be secure enough |
| 12:05.46 | drclaw | blondie: well I guess in this case theres some debate about it being world readable, but other than that maybe scripts that you create should be in /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin with tmp files in /tmp ? |
| 12:05.53 | *** join/#debian DaveyB (n=daveyb@cpc1-linc3-0-0-cust360.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 12:06.02 | pelzi_ | hell, I give up |
| 12:06.07 | ]Gnea[ | good idea. |
| 12:06.13 | blondie | drclaw: maybe, but I might want to keep a copy in /root too. |
| 12:06.17 | pelzi_ | it's a matter of taste in the end. |
| 12:06.23 | Guerin | pelzi_: as I said to someone else - take it up with the security team |
| 12:06.23 | drclaw | pelzi_: You can't argue logic to a drunk man, I win, Yatzee |
| 12:06.38 | pelzi_ | nah. |
| 12:06.46 | drclaw | blondie: ok, so.. why don't you make it so no one can read those? |
| 12:06.47 | *** part/#debian DaveyB (n=daveyb@cpc1-linc3-0-0-cust360.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 12:06.49 | Guerin | !lose pelzi_ |
| 12:06.50 | dpkg | pelzi_: You Lose. |
| 12:07.01 | ]Gnea[ | thank you, drive through. |
| 12:07.13 | blondie | drclaw: I cba to argue with you |
| 12:07.14 | *** join/#debian DaveyB (n=daveyb@cpc1-linc3-0-0-cust360.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 12:07.23 | drclaw | blondie: I mean if you are giving users shell access, honestly, you have a world of local buffer overflows that can esculated to root privs to worry about before that anyhow |
| 12:07.24 | pelzi_ | I don't have anything important in root, and I don't care. I just think a non-world-readable default wouldn't hurt anyone and thus be a good default. |
| 12:07.37 | blondie | drclaw: no I don't. |
| 12:07.56 | drclaw | blondie: why not? |
| 12:08.02 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: if you can't justify it, then don't bother arguing. |
| 12:08.08 | blondie | drclaw: please give me a list of such exploits to worry about. why don't we just get rid of permissions altogether? |
| 12:08.18 | pelzi_ | ]Gnea[: you couldn't really justify your side any better |
| 12:08.41 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: i already did. you're the *only* one that's not accepting it. |
| 12:08.45 | drclaw | blondie: if you don't have some level of inherent trust in your users and your not jailing them, then you have a problem |
| 12:09.16 | LinuxHelp | I'm using exim on debs stable, and I want POP functionality, so should I install popa3d ? |
| 12:09.26 | mike | im trying to mount a HD with a ext3 partition on it |
| 12:09.29 | blondie | drclaw: are you going to vet 20,000 users to check that they're all trustworthy? and if you trust them all, you don't need permissions! stop trolling. |
| 12:09.29 | ]Gnea[ | LinuxHelp: try dovecot |
| 12:09.37 | pelzi_ | ]Gnea[: what was it? "that's the way it is"? |
| 12:09.40 | mike | but im getting 'ext3-fs: unable to read superblock' |
| 12:09.45 | blondie | drclaw: oh, and learn to spell "you're". |
| 12:09.52 | drclaw | blondie: wtf would you give them a shell other than /bin/false? |
| 12:09.57 | mike | im using mount /dev/sda2 /media/somedir |
| 12:10.08 | blondie | drclaw: so they can actually use the system? |
| 12:10.08 | LinuxHelp | ]Gnea[, I have like almost no processing power, so is dovecot still a good idea? |
| 12:10.08 | cpop | mike: then it's not an ext3 partition |
| 12:10.09 | mike | what am i doing wrong? |
| 12:10.25 | mike | cpop it is.. i got a partition manager in front of me... showing it |
| 12:10.38 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: no, that was my bullshit reason. the real reason was that there's nothing of system integrity in /root to begin with. the second that changes, at the admin's discretion, then it become the responsibility of the admin to secure it or leave it open. |
| 12:10.42 | cpop | does it have an actual ext3 filesystem on it? |
| 12:10.42 | blondie | drclaw: people use *nix machines for more than email and file storage you know. |
| 12:10.47 | drclaw | blondie: yeah then you should really be keeping on top of locally exploitable programs don't you think? |
| 12:10.47 | mike | cp2 ok ur right |
| 12:10.51 | mike | now i see what im doing wrong |
| 12:10.56 | *** join/#debian damosu (n=damosu@unaffiliated/damosu) |
| 12:11.06 | cpop | made the partition but not the filesystem? |
| 12:11.07 | ]Gnea[ | LinuxHelp: what's your cpu? |
| 12:11.07 | blondie | drclaw: yes, patches can be applied, now stfu please. |
| 12:11.25 | drclaw | blondie: not generally 20,000 of them, I seriously question what application you're running that requires that outside of maybe a university |
| 12:11.27 | LinuxHelp | ]Gnea[, its a virtual cpu :/ |
| 12:11.38 | blondie | drclaw: guess where I work? |
| 12:11.44 | blondie | and there's plenty of universities. |
| 12:11.45 | drclaw | taco bell? |
| 12:11.50 | ]Gnea[ | LinuxHelp: you failed to mention that initially. what's the real system cpu? |
| 12:11.53 | pelzi_ | ]Gnea[: and my argument is, because there is nothing important in there, why shouldn't it be non-world-readable? because nobody needs to read it, why have it readable? the admin can change that too. the 2 choices are about equal, and there is no clear winner. |
| 12:11.58 | blondie | drclaw: never heard of it. |
| 12:12.13 | LinuxHelp | ]Gnea[: really I dont know, I just know its slow and I only have 128 mb of ram |
| 12:12.17 | Guerin | yay, still going |
| 12:12.18 | drclaw | blondie: it's a phone company like banafone, only with tacos |
| 12:12.24 | *** join/#debian damosu (n=damosu@unaffiliated/damosu) |
| 12:12.25 | liable | drclaw: childish insult, and not all of us live in amerika |
| 12:12.28 | *** join/#debian mentor (n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor) |
| 12:12.31 | LinuxHelp | ]Gnea[: I want the lighttpd of email clients |
| 12:12.49 | *** join/#debian saintiss (n=saintiss@143.129.75.191) |
| 12:12.49 | LinuxHelp | * email clients = pop servers :/ |
| 12:13.15 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: because the very few files that *are* there aren't readable anyway. you can ls them, but you can't actually cat them. and if there is one there, then i'm willing to bet that it's identical to the one in the ~ of any [l]user on the system, which makes the whole debate pointless. |
| 12:13.16 | drclaw | liable: Oh, uhh.. I guess somewhere in there I inferred everyone lives in america, my bad, I have no global perspective about franchise food stores, McDonalds is probablly right out |
| 12:13.31 | *** join/#debian Merchant (n=fdsfsdfa@MTL-HSE-ppp160123.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 12:13.48 | Guerin | the moron juices sure are a-flowin' tonight |
| 12:13.50 | liable | yikes |
| 12:13.51 | azeem | I don't think taco bell is in europe a lot |
| 12:13.53 | pelzi_ | ]Gnea[: no, neither side can make an argument. with the default contents it is completely indifferent |
| 12:13.59 | drclaw | blondie: my point being that having the contents of /root listable is probably not the gravest of concerns |
| 12:14.05 | *** join/#debian Skiver (n=Skiver@60.50.136.233) |
| 12:14.16 | Skiver | hello. |
| 12:14.30 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: precisely, and with indifference it's not going to matter one way or another if it's 755 or 750. |
| 12:14.51 | *** join/#debian raz0 (i=raz0@0x50a160eb.kd4nxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 12:14.54 | pelzi_ | yep. but you can't say 755 is better, either. |
| 12:15.02 | ]Gnea[ | never said it was. |
| 12:15.11 | drclaw | there's really no good reason to give 20,000 users shell access IMHO, and I'd like to hear why I'm wrong |
| 12:15.16 | Skiver | is there a command to compare 2 *.txt and tell the different ? or a program ? |
| 12:15.22 | pelzi_ | diff |
| 12:15.35 | ]Gnea[ | so there's a good reason to give 19,999 users shell access? ;) |
| 12:15.39 | *** join/#debian sabbat_ (n=sabbat@203-206-3-128.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 12:15.50 | pelzi_ | but 750 has a theoretical security advantage, 755 doesn't. small difference, but it exists |
| 12:15.55 | Rhizome | drclaw: no good reason? if they pay it's a good reason :) |
| 12:15.58 | *** join/#debian peppet (n=peppe@62.13.172.78) |
| 12:16.21 | drclaw | Rhizome: I would want no part of hosting my e-mail on your servers if you give people shell access |
| 12:16.52 | ]Gnea[ | LinuxHelp: you know, i really don't know which pop server is the most memory conservative... :/ |
| 12:17.12 | pelzi_ | pop servers shouldn't be that big of a load anyway |
| 12:17.19 | Rhizome | drclaw: Really depends what your selling, ofcourse just for email they don't need shell access. |
| 12:17.19 | pelzi_ | email isn't a very interactive service |
| 12:17.19 | drclaw | pelzi_: my only point is that, yes it should be fixed but it's a pretty trivial problem |
| 12:17.28 | pelzi_ | drclaw: agreed |
| 12:17.38 | drclaw | Rhizome: so when would they need shell access? |
| 12:17.51 | LinuxHelp | ]Gnea[, The popa3d package was only 94.2Kb so it should be tiny |
| 12:17.58 | drclaw | I don't think there's a lot of people paying for "bash" access |
| 12:18.14 | LinuxHelp | and by it, I mean its memory footprint |
| 12:18.15 | ]Gnea[ | LinuxHelp: package size is not indicative of how the program itself runs. |
| 12:18.20 | keko_ | how i can install unrar ? |
| 12:18.31 | drclaw | if people want a shell they generally want a full on chroot/jailed virtual filesystem to control all their crap in, or a straight up VPS |
| 12:18.37 | ]Gnea[ | !non-free |
| 12:18.38 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 12:18.39 | Rhizome | I guess, I only pay for virtual servers, so I have full access. |
| 12:18.40 | pelzi_ | IRC users are probably the biggest shell customers |
| 12:18.57 | drclaw | I mean if this was 1995, things might be different, but shared environments are pretty much crappy |
| 12:19.25 | pelzi_ | shared ones have good and bad sides |
| 12:19.41 | drclaw | pelzi_: I'm exluding VPS, those have value |
| 12:19.51 | pelzi_ | if they have a good admin and non-evil users it is good. |
| 12:20.12 | drclaw | sure it's fine, but 20,000 non-evil users, that's a fuck ton of friends? |
| 12:20.16 | *** join/#debian terraces (n=alex@sd-3150.dedibox.fr) |
| 12:20.18 | drclaw | sorry, is fuck-ton too american? |
| 12:20.20 | ]Gnea[ | who's the judge of the users being non-evil? |
| 12:20.42 | terraces | Someone using apache2.2 on sid + protecting directories with AuthUser ? |
| 12:20.43 | pelzi_ | university systems, for example, often work |
| 12:20.59 | pelzi_ | the users know they'll get kicked out if they are evil |
| 12:21.04 | ]Gnea[ | that's assuming that all uni students are non-evil |
| 12:21.10 | drclaw | pelzi_: university systems usually provide email, shell accounts are usually done on lab machines |
| 12:21.21 | ]Gnea[ | which, in practice, has been proven to be extremely untrue. |
| 12:21.24 | drclaw | pelzi_ : less than half a decade ago that was different |
| 12:21.45 | drclaw | but the way it is now, you generally don't give shell to anyone who doesn't need it, and that a good idea |
| 12:21.55 | pelzi_ | at least here unis have servers which most of the students use for screen and irssi. |
| 12:22.12 | ]Gnea[ | hehehe |
| 12:22.30 | pelzi_ | also for programming assignments, etc. |
| 12:22.40 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:22.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:22.43 | drclaw | yeah, there are usually a number of machines to do that on |
| 12:23.06 | drclaw | who can anyone trust an enviroment where users can exploit some local overflow for full system privs? |
| 12:23.18 | pelzi_ | at least in one uni there is one damn big machine. |
| 12:23.36 | pelzi_ | well, you can't really trust anything at all. |
| 12:23.37 | drclaw | that's not cool, but there's soo damn man attack vectors now that even if you stay on top of everything it's crazy to think you're going to get them all |
| 12:23.58 | drclaw | pelzi_: yeah but real big hardware chroots or vps's everyone |
| 12:24.14 | *** join/#debian hid3 (n=hide@clt-84-32-207-1.vkt.lt) |
| 12:24.23 | ]Gnea[ | you're just better off installing the same OS on your own system and using that. |
| 12:24.47 | pelzi_ | I think vps's have security problems too. just not yet found. |
| 12:24.58 | drclaw | it's not like having /root listable is as serious as an offence as having /etc/shadow readable, I meant, shit man, who uses root for anything, no one |
| 12:25.26 | drclaw | should you inherently trust that your directories are secure without looking at them? |
| 12:25.28 | drclaw | apparently not |
| 12:25.29 | pelzi_ | who said that? |
| 12:25.37 | drclaw | so what's the argument about?" |
| 12:25.50 | pelzi_ | it was about which default would be smarter |
| 12:25.59 | pelzi_ | and I was hoping it was over already |
| 12:26.21 | drclaw | well it would be but I'm drunk and feeling attacked |
| 12:26.25 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I'm getting such error messages in dmesg: e100: eth2: e100_exec_cb_wait: ucode load failed. This happens randomly for all my e100 based network interfaces. After this, that interface "dies" (stops responding) and only a system reboot helps. What can be wrong? I've tried to change NICs but that did't help... |
| 12:26.27 | ]Gnea[ | you're the only one that's still carrying it on |
| 12:26.32 | hid3 | btw, I'm using 2.6.18.1 |
| 12:26.49 | *** join/#debian zamuro (n=dies_ira@190.37.2.196) |
| 12:27.07 | ]Gnea[ | hid3: have you tried resetting the switch? |
| 12:27.17 | hid3 | yes, but that also didn't help |
| 12:27.26 | ]Gnea[ | have you tried replacing it? |
| 12:27.38 | drclaw | have you tried taco bell? |
| 12:27.47 | ]Gnea[ | egads |
| 12:27.51 | ]Gnea[ | don't make me shoot you |
| 12:27.53 | pelzi_ | sounds pretty far fetched for a switch to break NICs |
| 12:27.58 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 12:28.09 | ]Gnea[ | i only eat real mexican food now |
| 12:28.21 | hid3 | no. My NICs are connected to different switches and that happens randomly. Tried to change the interfaces so 3Com NIC "looks" into that switch and no problem in that case. |
| 12:28.46 | ]Gnea[ | hid3: tried switching the cards out? |
| 12:29.05 | ]Gnea[ | hid3: or the cables? |
| 12:29.12 | hid3 | yes, tried replacing with brand new ones. The same. |
| 12:29.16 | hid3 | Cables also |
| 12:29.22 | hid3 | That's why I'm asking here.. |
| 12:29.22 | pelzi_ | sounds like a bug |
| 12:29.35 | ]Gnea[ | hid3: put the cards in wintendo systems? |
| 12:29.38 | pelzi_ | has intel documented the e100... |
| 12:30.31 | hid3 | dammit.. that's gonna kill me :( |
| 12:30.36 | dererk[w] | Buenos DÃas :) |
| 12:30.39 | Skiver | pelzi_, thanks. |
| 12:30.53 | *** join/#debian zamuro (n=dies_ira@190.37.2.196) |
| 12:31.00 | *** join/#debian jonas3 (i=LoKo@c-3ac0e255.04-55-73746f39.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 12:31.16 | *** join/#debian syntaxx (n=syntaxx@unaffiliated/syntaxx) |
| 12:31.51 | *** part/#debian edju (n=edju@c-68-40-108-85.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 12:32.22 | *** part/#debian Angel_SL (n=angelsl@cm69.sigma13.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 12:35.34 | *** join/#debian Angel-SL (n=angelsl@pdpc/supporter/student/Angel-SL) |
| 12:36.27 | *** join/#debian Kim^J (n=Hagbard@firewall1.driftbolaget.se) |
| 12:36.37 | jelly-home | pebkac or pebcak? |
| 12:37.02 | liable | pebcak |
| 12:37.04 | vin` | either or |
| 12:37.13 | jelly-home | which is more common? |
| 12:37.30 | *** part/#debian MoonGlade (n=ty@host-216-211-25-3.tbaytel.net) |
| 12:37.34 | dimir | pebkac |
| 12:37.43 | *** join/#debian mrew (n=mrew@warner.force9.co.uk) |
| 12:37.50 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 12:37.53 | *** join/#debian Crissi (n=crissi@194.95.18.214) |
| 12:37.57 | Crissi | hi |
| 12:38.03 | Crissi | i got the full hate |
| 12:38.26 | vin` | go explode in fury |
| 12:38.28 | Crissi | today my testing has freezed again.. without running artsd |
| 12:38.53 | Crissi | what the hell has happend last few days |
| 12:38.59 | dimir | pebkac! |
| 12:39.15 | Crissi | whats that? |
| 12:39.27 | *** join/#debian factorx (n=asdf@dslb-084-061-103-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 12:39.40 | pelzi_ | problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 12:40.22 | Crissi | it must be something releaded x and/or kde? |
| 12:40.24 | Crissi | no |
| 12:40.27 | pelzi_ | it was discussed here before you joined |
| 12:40.33 | Crissi | the problem cames ~ 2 weeks ago in unstable |
| 12:40.56 | *** join/#debian Nighteye (n=n8oog@89.241.114.124) |
| 12:41.01 | Crissi | after chaning to testin g (fresh install) all was ok again |
| 12:41.38 | Crissi | yesterday after update the problem now i have in testing |
| 12:41.45 | *** join/#debian jack643 (n=jack@cpe.atm2-0-1291055.0x50a0f2c2.arcnxx10.customer.tele.dk) |
| 12:42.04 | Crissi | there must be something changed |
| 12:42.11 | *** join/#debian JensBru (n=JensBru@69.183.31.110) |
| 12:42.12 | *** join/#debian aimtrainer (n=aimtrain@p54AFB44B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:42.19 | Crissi | yesterday someone guess it could be a running artsd... k |
| 12:42.20 | *** join/#debian lepton (n=lepton@74.136.202.218) |
| 12:42.21 | Crissi | i had mount and play from my external usb disk on real console all fine |
| 12:42.22 | *** join/#debian Mitja (n=Mitja@unaffiliated/mitja) |
| 12:42.22 | Crissi | if i did in x my system freezes after some sec |
| 12:42.33 | pelzi_ | did you change the kernel |
| 12:42.50 | Crissi | today i had mount in kde and would play music after opening amarok it frreezes again (no artsd running) :( |
| 12:42.58 | Crissi | no |
| 12:43.12 | Crissi | no freom yesterday to today |
| 12:44.03 | Crissi | 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 12:44.19 | Bracki | how can i make python2.4 the default on sarge? |
| 12:44.25 | *** join/#debian orchid_ (n=bzgirl@unaffiliated/orchid) |
| 12:44.47 | Crissi | i dont try to make the pp angry but i think the problem (yes it exists) must be found and solved |
| 12:45.00 | Crissi | Bracki: /etc/alternatioves |
| 12:45.06 | Crissi | Bracki: /etc/alternatives |
| 12:45.07 | *** join/#debian Coke (n=peter@1-1-1-8a.asp.sth.bostream.se) |
| 12:45.53 | jack643 | Hello, is this the place to ask for help with a problem in debian unstable? |
| 12:46.01 | pelzi_ | depends |
| 12:46.03 | Bracki | Crissi: and there? |
| 12:46.14 | pelzi_ | update-alternatives |
| 12:46.31 | Coke | Hello. Is there a configurable (keyboard shortcuts and window behaviour) WM that has NO graphics, i.e just draws simple borders? |
| 12:46.39 | Bracki | so i put a link to python2.4 and then update-alternatives? |
| 12:46.42 | pelzi_ | ratpoison ? |
| 12:46.47 | pelzi_ | nah. |
| 12:46.56 | keko_ | have somebody any information howto make working in debian Jensen Air:Link 6554 ?? |
| 12:47.04 | *** join/#debian Deny_[All] (n=pdiablo@230-215.static.dedicado.com.uy) |
| 12:47.05 | pelzi_ | AFAIK you cannot set 2.4 on sarge |
| 12:47.12 | pelzi_ | keko_: wlan? |
| 12:47.17 | keko_ | yeah |
| 12:47.22 | pelzi_ | lspci ? |
| 12:47.25 | Bracki | pelzi_: why that? |
| 12:47.40 | pelzi_ | packages depend on 2.3 being the default |
| 12:47.53 | Bracki | argh, bullshit. |
| 12:47.54 | *** join/#debian smoser (n=smoser@d149-67-95-116.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 12:48.53 | *** join/#debian k-man (n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) |
| 12:48.56 | *** join/#debian FaithX (n=FaithX@ns.linuxterminal.com) |
| 12:49.15 | k-man | how do i make thunderbird show dates in dd/mm/yy instead of mm/dd/yy? |
| 12:49.25 | pelzi_ | locale, afaik |
| 12:49.28 | *** join/#debian Trixsey (n=secret@c-2b9072d5.012-2011-73746f31.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 12:50.06 | *** join/#debian dutche- (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) |
| 12:51.34 | jack643 | I can currently not boot my machine because cryptroot and lvm fail under boot |
| 12:52.17 | Crissi | pelzi_: do you and idea what it has changed in testing (came from sid) yesterday that can cause the freeze problum under x? |
| 12:52.23 | pelzi_ | nope. |
| 12:52.28 | *** join/#debian tuxsurfer (n=tuxsurfe@24-176-84-077.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com) |
| 12:52.30 | Crissi | hm |
| 12:52.32 | pelzi_ | I'm on holiday. :P |
| 12:52.44 | Crissi | thats not the point |
| 12:52.48 | pelzi_ | all I know about is what happens in stargate sg-1 :P |
| 12:52.58 | *** join/#debian der0b (n=mds@c-24-63-35-182.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 12:53.10 | Crissi | if your system has this trouble you really want to have fixed that |
| 12:53.19 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 12:53.27 | pelzi_ | but I haven't paid attention to debian at all |
| 12:53.48 | Crissi | where could help me in this case? |
| 12:53.57 | pelzi_ | try the mailing list |
| 12:54.02 | pelzi_ | s |
| 12:54.44 | jack643 | Nobody else having boot problems with lvm and crypt? |
| 12:54.55 | Crissi | last week before i had did a fresh install of testing i had tried a lot and also has many conversation on the channel here but no solution.. after chaning to testing all was ok and im happy... and then ysesterday :( |
| 12:55.11 | *** join/#debian opensea (n=opensea@125.213.2.255) |
| 12:55.14 | Crissi | ok i'll try the lists |
| 12:55.16 | pelzi_ | sorry, I have only crypt and lvm in separate machines, not both in one |
| 12:55.19 | *** join/#debian nalioth (i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth) |
| 12:55.24 | *** join/#debian EdLin (n=chacha@as5300-6.216-194-22-59.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
| 12:55.33 | *** join/#debian HolyGoat (n=leendert@cc82732-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) |
| 12:56.14 | tarzeau | how bad can bug reports get? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394238 |
| 12:56.29 | HolyGoat | Wow, this is pretty annoying. I start up amaroK, start up firefox, go to youtube, and get no sound because amaroK is probably blocking /dev/dsp |
| 12:56.39 | tarzeau | i have no idea what g++ version he has? what debian? what kernel, really NO NOTHING |
| 12:56.54 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) |
| 12:56.58 | jack643 | pelzi_, too bad. It looks like my group partitions have just disappeared. /dev/mapper is empty except for `control' |
| 12:57.14 | *** join/#debian kraziebone (n=token@dsl-203-113-236-7.SA.netspace.net.au) |
| 12:57.19 | azeem | tarzeau: eh, latest unstable |
| 12:57.33 | tarzeau | azeem: so you can reproduce it? |
| 12:57.39 | pelzi_ | jack643: try lvscan, etc. |
| 12:57.42 | azeem | I didn't try |
| 12:57.54 | pelzi_ | heck... I'm afraid of the next reboot |
| 12:58.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 717] by debhelper |
| 12:58.06 | pelzi_ | tell me once it's fixed ;) |
| 12:58.14 | tarzeau | azeem: wait, how can you be sure daniel schepler tried to build it in the latest unstable? |
| 12:58.23 | tarzeau | azeem: do you know this guy? |
| 12:58.40 | *** join/#debian bodkin (n=bodkin@88-110-198-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 12:58.41 | jack643 | pelzi_, hehe |
| 12:58.55 | azeem | tarzeau: sure, he's routinely rebuilding the archive |
| 12:59.15 | tarzeau | azeem: he could be a lot more verbose |
| 12:59.41 | azeem | tarzeau: did you try to rebuild it? |
| 13:00.01 | tarzeau | azeem: i will, i just don't have a sid box at hand that has no load |
| 13:00.11 | azeem | use a chroot |
| 13:00.18 | *** join/#debian administrator__ (i=administ@nat/cisco/x-147cd78a44a4c162) |
| 13:00.22 | tarzeau | azeem: i'm mad that he doesn't even tell me what architecture he tried |
| 13:00.40 | *** join/#debian khermans (i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-247676e478a04330) |
| 13:00.41 | azeem | tarzeau: it's a compile error |
| 13:00.55 | tarzeau | azeem: yes i can see that |
| 13:00.56 | azeem | I am not sure the arch matters |
| 13:01.06 | tarzeau | probably not |
| 13:01.31 | azeem | you can assume i386 |
| 13:01.35 | cydork | hey guys is it possible to use ndiswrapper for etch beta 3 installer?? |
| 13:01.36 | azeem | plus, he pointed at a gcc bug |
| 13:01.46 | *** join/#debian [Hazard] (n=h4zard@ver73-1-82-239-38-135.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 13:01.53 | azeem | cydork: is this a question or a feature request? |
| 13:02.12 | jack643 | pelzi_, Only problem with that is that I am currently in the initramfs and do not seem to have lvscan :/ |
| 13:02.18 | cydork | azeem: if it's not possible now then it's a feature request :P |
| 13:02.28 | azeem | cydork: is ndiswrapper in main? |
| 13:02.38 | pelzi_ | jack643: run a rescue cd and chroot |
| 13:03.01 | liable | i wish all the needed stuff for module builds were on cd1 (prefereably netinst) |
| 13:03.13 | cydork | azeem: yes |
| 13:03.39 | tarzeau | liable: i wish i'd never have to build modules |
| 13:03.57 | incorrect | my cvs server is being stupidly slow, |
| 13:03.58 | *** join/#debian Angel_SL (n=angelsl@cm69.sigma13.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 13:04.05 | liable | tarzeau: i wish i married into a wealthy family with a buetifull wife |
| 13:04.05 | jack643 | pelzi_, good idea |
| 13:04.12 | *** join/#debian junix (n=andrew@24-240-182-132.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 13:04.21 | *** join/#debian Bertram (n=yohann@ADijon-256-1-105-247.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:04.26 | incorrect | i've upped the number of open files, |
| 13:04.57 | incorrect | i've increased kernel.shmall and kernel.shmmax |
| 13:05.39 | *** part/#debian Angel_SL (n=angelsl@cm69.sigma13.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 13:05.41 | jack643 | pelzi_, just a bummer that i do not have a cd drive :( |
| 13:05.50 | *** join/#debian Angel-SL (n=angelsl@pdpc/supporter/student/Angel-SL) |
| 13:06.04 | *** join/#debian kml (n=meng@gateway.penguincomputing.com) |
| 13:06.09 | pelzi_ | jack643: damn, me neither (I have crypt on my lappy) |
| 13:06.13 | *** join/#debian Gumby (n=terry@unaffiliated/gumby) |
| 13:06.18 | pelzi_ | I'm really not going to boot it any time soon :P |
| 13:07.27 | *** part/#debian terraces (n=alex@sd-3150.dedibox.fr) |
| 13:07.27 | jack643 | pelzi_, same hear... do you know if the necessay tools are on the installer? I have that on a usb |
| 13:07.27 | pelzi_ | it should have |
| 13:07.27 | tralala | liable, she would've left you to run away with her tennis teacher and her lawyers would've make sure you get nothing from her family wealth |
| 13:07.27 | pelzi_ | and once you're chrooted you have the whole system anyway |
| 13:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 711] by debhelper |
| 13:08.23 | liable | tralala: no time for tennis, there would be cleaning to do! :P |
| 13:08.35 | tralala | hehe :) |
| 13:09.15 | cydork | azeem: ping |
| 13:09.22 | *** join/#debian win_x_prts (n=win_x_pr@n128-227-105-5.xlate.ufl.edu) |
| 13:09.36 | azeem | hrm? |
| 13:10.04 | tralala | cydork wants his ndiswrapper in d-i |
| 13:10.04 | cydork | azeem: you asked me if it's in main. it's there so any possiblity? |
| 13:10.09 | jack643 | pelzi_, well yes, if I can get find the partitions and decrypt them... I would recommend not rebooting |
| 13:10.10 | azeem | dunno |
| 13:10.19 | cydork | tralala: i really dont have any option atm :( |
| 13:10.20 | azeem | cydork: at least it is /possible/ then I guess |
| 13:10.43 | *** join/#debian shastry (n=shastry@archlinux/trusteduser/shastry) |
| 13:10.43 | incorrect | what is kernel.shmmni |
| 13:10.46 | shastry | hi |
| 13:11.01 | pelzi_ | jack643: I had even non-crypted lvm break on my lappy before... unstable initramfs's :( |
| 13:11.01 | liable | cydork: whats on cd1 is defined by popularity. kernel source and make et al werent on the sarge cd1, doubt it will be on etch (hope i'm wrong) |
| 13:11.15 | shastry | is deb unstable really unstable for normal desktop/workstation use? |
| 13:11.25 | tralala | cydork, err... can't you install it from cd1 or (cdN)? |
| 13:11.25 | pelzi_ | sometimes |
| 13:11.38 | jack643 | pelzi_, did you manage to fix it? |
| 13:11.52 | pelzi_ | eventually after an upgrade |
| 13:12.05 | pelzi_ | but I got pissed and ditched lvm |
| 13:12.11 | jack643 | pelzi_, I am a bit worried right now :/ |
| 13:12.17 | tralala | shastry, yes. They don't call it unstable only to confuse (scare away) the people |
| 13:12.27 | shastry | heh ok |
| 13:12.31 | cydork | tralala: i really haven't downloaded any cds other than netinstall in a long time |
| 13:12.32 | shastry | so testing then ? |
| 13:12.36 | pelzi_ | but not that ubuntu was any less unstable :P |
| 13:12.55 | tralala | cydork, I guess you have a reason to do it now |
| 13:13.07 | jack643 | pelzi_, there lvm is as flaky? |
| 13:13.09 | *** join/#debian LoneWlf (n=lone@ip68-228-208-196.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 13:13.21 | pelzi_ | root on lvm is a pain. |
| 13:13.22 | *** join/#debian inimesekene (n=inimesek@217-159-182-107-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) |
| 13:13.26 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) |
| 13:13.32 | tralala | shastry, I recommend sarge + backports (if really needed) |
| 13:13.48 | shastry | tralala: sarge is too old for desktop stuff |
| 13:13.55 | shastry | i'd want latest kde |
| 13:14.06 | cydork | tralala: let me check if it's there in cd1 |
| 13:14.22 | shastry | also, i'm planning to try debian amd64 edition. is that mature? |
| 13:14.24 | tralala | shastry, It's not too old for me. |
| 13:14.24 | *** join/#debian wrabbit^ (n=wrabbit@220-245-200-245.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 13:14.36 | tralala | and I do run amd64 |
| 13:14.37 | shastry | tralala: 3.3 is old :) |
| 13:14.45 | shastry | i sometimes try to fix bugs in kde and all |
| 13:14.49 | shastry | so latest is a must for me |
| 13:15.45 | tralala | shastry, you seem to have two contradictory requirements - a normal desktop station and a testing/development one at the same time |
| 13:15.57 | jack643 | pelzi_, I have just starting using debian again and I would like to be a bit more informed about the develompemt in unstable. Are there any mailing lists and so on? I did not find any info in the devel-corner page. |
| 13:16.06 | *** join/#debian joejaxx (i=jadaz87@ubuntu/member/joejaxx) |
| 13:16.21 | pelzi_ | I don't know... I'm ignoring debian since I'm on holiday :P |
| 13:16.52 | shastry | tralala: so i guess i'll go with a "testing/development" one |
| 13:17.00 | *** join/#debian amee2k (n=thomas@p5497EBDC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:17.01 | *** part/#debian zms (n=zms@202.53.8.22) |
| 13:17.32 | *** join/#debian nvz (n=nvz@wv-mgtnwv-cad1-grp3a-3-167.pittpa.adelphia.net) |
| 13:17.46 | shastry | heh ty. i'll try the amd64 version soon |
| 13:18.15 | *** join/#debian Newk (n=human@digi-wolf.demon.nl) |
| 13:18.19 | jack643 | anybody else? Lists ala freebsd-test and so on? |
| 13:18.28 | lepton | jack643 mailing lists at www.debian.org (left sidebar) |
| 13:18.35 | tralala | shastry, that's fine as long as you're ready to trade off some stability |
| 13:19.00 | *** join/#debian ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 13:19.05 | shastry | :) |
| 13:19.07 | jack643 | lepton, thanks, seems the danish translation confused me |
| 13:19.50 | *** join/#debian clocker (n=clocker@mrrsmb01bb2-ac01-63-54.dial.mts.net) |
| 13:20.06 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@82.183.196.76) |
| 13:20.33 | *** join/#debian dhuv (n=dhuv@rrcs-72-43-107-50.nyc.biz.rr.com) |
| 13:20.36 | dhuv | hello all |
| 13:20.45 | *** join/#debian Pr0nStrGeek (n=voicenci@mail.ncpsolutions.com) |
| 13:23.02 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 13:23.02 | dpkg | <ribnitz> but windoze does it, and if windows does it it can't be that wrong :) |
| 13:25.02 | *** join/#debian reZo (n=reZo@124.197.13.174) |
| 13:25.31 | abrotman | jack643: there are numerous ... |
| 13:25.41 | abrotman | jack643: it depends on how many lists you want to read |
| 13:26.19 | *** join/#debian infernixxx (n=nix@cp916817-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) |
| 13:27.24 | jack643 | abrotman, Yes I can see there are many... I was hoping for at least one related to the unstable development and also security, but it seems that there are not any security things dedicated to unsable as the packages are just updated with the paches. Or am I wrong? |
| 13:27.44 | *** join/#debian ebola (n=unsure@sw69x3.foto.gu.se) |
| 13:28.15 | abrotman | jack643: debian-devel and/or debian-devel-announce |
| 13:28.28 | abrotman | debian-devel is a high volume list |
| 13:29.23 | *** join/#debian Makenai (n=pawel@12.176.132.128) |
| 13:29.23 | *** join/#debian Stevie-O (n=whatsit2@dsl092-226-067.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 13:29.29 | jack643 | abrotman, thank you very much! |
| 13:29.40 | *** join/#debian ktwilight (n=ktwiligh@104.107-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 13:29.47 | abrotman | jack643: there are also special-interest lists for parts of debian |
| 13:30.15 | jack643 | yes I am looking in the boot one now, as I can not boot my system ;) |
| 13:30.36 | *** join/#debian Kage` (i=Kage@pool-151-205-60-37.clrk.east.verizon.net) |
| 13:30.48 | *** join/#debian yure (n=yure@dhcp-212-235-229-194.sd.uni-lj.si) |
| 13:30.49 | abrotman | doh! |
| 13:30.58 | jack643 | abrotman, nice to have smaller ones for special interests |
| 13:31.12 | *** join/#debian smoser (n=smoser@d149-67-95-116.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 13:31.13 | abrotman | yeah .. there's also a grub channel on freenode |
| 13:31.24 | tdn | How do I convert an existing ext3 filesystem to XFS without losing the data in the filesystem? |
| 13:31.30 | abrotman | you can't |
| 13:31.32 | pelzi_ | back it up. |
| 13:31.34 | *** join/#debian GoAuLd (n=oneill@37.Red-80-34-99.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:31.45 | pelzi_ | then wipe it, make an xfs fs on it and restore |
| 13:32.25 | jack643 | abrotman, well the problem is with the LVM/Crypt systems not finding/decrypting my root partition. So GRUB is not to blame this time ;) |
| 13:32.41 | pelzi_ | yep, it's initramfs-tools |
| 13:32.41 | tdn | abrotman, pelzi_:Hmm... Ok. Dang it. I do not have space to back it up :( |
| 13:32.50 | infernixxx | pelzi_: remember that rsync question i asked? first trials look very promising. just need to figure out a way to initiate it from the client nodes instead of the "master" linux node. i can pm you some info if you wnat |
| 13:32.59 | pelzi_ | then live without xfs |
| 13:33.09 | pelzi_ | infernixxx: I'd be interested |
| 13:33.14 | tdn | pelzi_, yes of course. |
| 13:33.38 | pelzi_ | the difference between fs's isn't that big |
| 13:33.39 | *** join/#debian segfault_ (n=nobody@c-68-33-214-39.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 13:34.03 | tdn | pelzi_, I know. But on this fileserver it might make a difference. |
| 13:34.05 | tralala | tdn, if this partition has a lot of important data and you're not backing it up your least problem is that you cannot change the fs |
| 13:34.06 | *** join/#debian damosu (n=damosu@unaffiliated/damosu) |
| 13:34.29 | pelzi_ | true. |
| 13:35.10 | tdn | tralala, that's right. They're not critical data. It's just that it would be a small pain to get equal data again... |
| 13:35.17 | tdn | tralala, but they're not mission critical in any way. |
| 13:35.30 | pelzi_ | so, it's "legal backups of install disks", right? |
| 13:36.13 | *** join/#debian black_13 (n=black_13@72.16.158.17) |
| 13:36.22 | tdn | pelzi_, something like that, yeah. But not all of it. |
| 13:36.35 | pelzi_ | yup. |
| 13:36.39 | black_13 | where do i install vender supplied kernel drivers in 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:36.41 | *** join/#debian ecc (n=ecc@host81-153-47-65.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) |
| 13:36.54 | *** join/#debian win_x_prts (n=win_x_pr@n128-227-97-58.xlate.ufl.edu) |
| 13:36.57 | infernixxx | pelzi_: http://pastebin.ca/211739 - can't pm, not registered. first tests look promising, i synced a few boxes and rebooted them. they are working perfectly after the first reboot. do note that there's not much different per box, it's all sarge - haven't tried cross-release or cross-distro rsync yet :) |
| 13:37.12 | pelzi_ | ok |
| 13:37.22 | *** join/#debian cafe_roy (n=cafe_roy@82-70-183-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 13:37.57 | infernixxx | anyway, friday. time for beer, cya:) |
| 13:37.59 | liable | black_13: the installer should take care of it for you |
| 13:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 722] by debhelper |
| 13:38.26 | pelzi_ | friday... time for more stargate |
| 13:38.32 | *** join/#debian buruka (n=kenoby@p54AA2647.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:38.44 | black_13 | liable i think i got it |
| 13:38.55 | black_13 | but they just supplied a tarball |
| 13:39.08 | tralala | tdn, so why bother changing the filesystem? |
| 13:39.14 | liable | black_13: so, untar it, and read the readme/install file |
| 13:39.30 | tdn | tralala, because of very limited CPU resources. |
| 13:40.26 | *** join/#debian the_Cat (n=jgrund@h16n1fls32o294.telia.com) |
| 13:41.22 | *** join/#debian idm (i=i3dmaste@nat/ibm/x-204666a27c23a16f) |
| 13:43.31 | *** join/#debian freebsd_fan (n=unsure@200.32.71.142) |
| 13:43.40 | tralala | hmm... it seems that you're trying to do things with a lot of constraints attached. Perhaps it's "mission impossible" |
| 13:43.42 | *** join/#debian streuner (i=foobar@p54A5D4A9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:44.01 | *** join/#debian bronze_|| (n=Lester@c-24-91-157-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 13:44.22 | *** join/#debian der0b (n=mds@c-24-63-35-182.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 13:44.29 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 13:44.45 | pelzi_ | ext3 can be shrinked. :P |
| 13:44.54 | CaT[tm] | cold water. |
| 13:44.59 | pelzi_ | but too great risk to start converting that way |
| 13:45.02 | liable | if you remove the journal |
| 13:45.31 | *** join/#debian pickcoder (n=blah@gateway.all-spec.com) |
| 13:47.16 | abrotman | jack643: ah ok |
| 13:47.58 | *** join/#debian GoAuLd (n=carter@37.Red-80-34-99.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:48.01 | *** join/#debian krifur (n=krifur@AToulouse-152-1-80-136.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:48.04 | *** join/#debian secher (n=secher@pool-71-248-202-130.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) |
| 13:48.25 | *** join/#debian PerfDave (n=grimoire@grimoire.xen-hosting.net) |
| 13:49.16 | HolyGoat | Hm. Anyone happen to know what else I need besides w32codecs to get wmv to work with vlc? |
| 13:49.23 | *** join/#debian MoDaX (i=pmrwcc@lan-84-240-22-131.vln.skynet.lt) |
| 13:49.27 | *** join/#debian nextgens (n=nextgens@emu.freenetproject.org) |
| 13:49.30 | nextgens | hi |
| 13:49.38 | secher | Trying to configure Horde3 on Apache2 on a Debian Sid system and brain is bleeding. I've edited the horde.conf or whatever it is according to the README.Debian to remove the exit (0); line, restarted apache2, and I'm getting "Failed to import Horde configuration: <blah, blah> Read /usr/<snip>/README.Debian.gz". Apache2 error log shows "[notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down <crlf> [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/4.4.4-3 conf |
| 13:49.40 | simmerz | does an upgrade from mysql-4.1 on debian to 5.0 upgrade all the db's too? |
| 13:49.59 | FernandoMM | Is there a way to change from reiserfs to ext3 without reinstalling everything? |
| 13:50.03 | nextgens | I've got a problem with debian's unstable package of apache2 as well |
| 13:50.06 | dhuv | simmerz: from what I recall, it does do things to the DB as needed |
| 13:50.17 | dhuv | so to answer your question, yes it probably will |
| 13:50.24 | dhuv | but make backups |
| 13:50.31 | *** join/#debian Braindead (n=braindea@81-208-60-194.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 13:51.26 | simmerz | dhuv: cheers |
| 13:51.59 | FernandoMM | simmerz: are you using debian sarge? |
| 13:52.34 | simmerz | FernandoMM: slowly moving to etch |
| 13:53.19 | *** join/#debian endia314 (n=fff@cpe-72-224-97-185.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 13:53.48 | *** join/#debian newform8 (i=newform8@dialup-4.239.240.61.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) |
| 13:53.59 | FernandoMM | simmerz: i have the same situation here, have to upgrade from mysql 4.1 to 5. If you try there, could you tell me how things gone? |
| 13:54.05 | *** part/#debian newform8 (i=newform8@dialup-4.239.240.61.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) |
| 13:54.27 | simmerz | FernandoMM: lol. I wont be doing it right now. its a production server |
| 13:55.32 | *** join/#debian opensea (n=opensea@125.213.2.255) |
| 13:55.51 | *** join/#debian swors (n=swors@220.248.68.195) |
| 13:56.21 | FernandoMM | simmerz: so is mine. I will try it on this weekend, just wanted to know if there are any problems that usually happen :P |
| 13:56.53 | simmerz | dhuv suggested making backups, but from what I know about, debian should just seamlessly upgrade the server |
| 13:56.56 | *** part/#debian secher (n=secher@pool-71-248-202-130.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) |
| 13:57.12 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 13:57.19 | pelzi_ | always backup production |
| 13:57.40 | *** join/#debian cubiq (n=cubiq@193.15.99.76) |
| 13:58.11 | simmerz | pelzi: yes, we do. |
| 13:58.20 | *** join/#debian null (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 13:58.36 | *** join/#debian peacenik (n=chatzill@142-217-213-49.telebecinternet.net) |
| 13:58.36 | simmerz | pelzi: but backing up prior to that specific upgrade, regardless of doing other backups |
| 13:59.23 | abrotman | what's a backup? |
| 13:59.29 | abrotman | is that like a pickup ? |
| 13:59.40 | pelzi_ | simmerz: I meant that |
| 13:59.56 | pelzi_ | simmerz: it's a little like the fact that it never rains when you have an umbrella |
| 14:00.05 | simmerz | pelzi: indeed |
| 14:01.20 | incorrect | are there any tools that can monitor my system and tell me where the bottle necks are? |
| 14:01.28 | bronze_|| | post your entire drive to usenet, no worries... :-) |
| 14:01.59 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 14:02.29 | *** join/#debian Dr_willis (n=willis@74.140.6.108) |
| 14:02.34 | *** join/#debian Bagoor (n=Bagoor@ner-as23872.alshamil.net.ae) |
| 14:02.39 | abrotman | incorrect: there are various tools |
| 14:02.54 | *** join/#debian Trixsey (n=secret@c-2b9072d5.012-2011-73746f31.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 14:03.22 | *** join/#debian maddog75_ (n=bill@81.168.13.69) |
| 14:04.08 | peacenik | hi all, I am looking for a console audio player that will play directly from a web address. I've been looking and the number of players is dizzying and I haven't found one yet that does what I want. I like the "feel" of orpheus, so something along that line would be very good. |
| 14:04.25 | cahoot | peacenik: mplayer |
| 14:04.38 | *** join/#debian Moorenkopf (n=Moorenko@p508850D5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:04.51 | cahoot | peacenik: no idea what orpheus is though |
| 14:04.54 | liable | ya, its about the only one i know of that can play a stream from cli |
| 14:05.26 | *** part/#debian endia314 (n=fff@cpe-72-224-97-185.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 14:05.30 | peacenik | thanks i'll try right now |
| 14:06.36 | abrotman | mplayer can play without a GUI ? |
| 14:06.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure |
| 14:06.55 | cahoot | peacenik: you have to get it from http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 14:06.55 | abrotman | can't he use mpg123 or 321 whichever ? |
| 14:07.05 | tarzeau | cahoot: or build it from source |
| 14:07.10 | liable | abrotman: not for a stream |
| 14:07.16 | tarzeau | liable: yes of course |
| 14:07.17 | cahoot | tarzeau: hmm that's a nono here |
| 14:07.26 | |garo| | abrotman: yes, use aalib or caca for movies |
| 14:07.28 | stew | liable: it can for a stream as well |
| 14:07.28 | tarzeau | cahoot: make your own packge from source is a nonno? |
| 14:07.35 | tarzeau | cahoot: it's certainly a yesyes |
| 14:07.43 | cahoot | okok |
| 14:07.45 | tarzeau | cahoot: but using foreign binary packages certainly is bad |
| 14:07.45 | liable | tarzeau: hrm, i didnt know it could, me looks |
| 14:07.59 | *** join/#debian Ox0F0-0FF (n=pierre@201.38.238.66) |
| 14:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 732] by debhelper |
| 14:08.14 | *** join/#debian lucas42 (n=Luke@vpn-185.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk) |
| 14:08.28 | |garo| | abrotman: you can also use the framebuffer to watch your movies if you have a framebuffer in your kernel |
| 14:08.49 | abrotman | that's just sick! |
| 14:08.51 | *** join/#debian pa7iQ (n=gordan@87.97.101.84.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 14:08.58 | cubiq | Hello. Is there some way you can reset the permissions on some folders? I hade a little misshap with my /var folder.... :) |
| 14:09.08 | tarzeau | cubiq: haha |
| 14:09.14 | tarzeau | cubiq: did you make a backup of them? |
| 14:09.14 | abrotman | cubiq: restore from backup |
| 14:09.26 | tarzeau | !perms |
| 14:09.26 | dpkg | somebody said perms was http://www.linuks.mine.nu/perms/ |
| 14:09.27 | cubiq | tarzeau: I know :) Even used recursive :) |
| 14:09.40 | tarzeau | cubiq: just restore it using perms? |
| 14:09.58 | *** part/#debian nextgens (n=nextgens@emu.freenetproject.org) |
| 14:10.20 | cubiq | tarzeau: Its a brand new box so now data its on it. I just don't want to reinstall the system again... :) |
| 14:10.40 | tarzeau | cubiq: automate the installer or make backups |
| 14:10.56 | tarzeau | cubiq: it's your fault |
| 14:11.01 | cubiq | tarzeau: A little to late now though :) |
| 14:11.04 | *** join/#debian ooly (n=ooly@203-214-136-158.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 14:11.22 | cubiq | tarzeau: Really, my fault?! No way! |
| 14:11.26 | *** part/#debian ooly (n=ooly@203-214-136-158.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 14:11.57 | *** join/#debian Fox_1_ (n=1@xalt.xter.net) |
| 14:12.03 | cubiq | On my Mac I got a big "Fix permissions" button...I can't seem to find it in my ssh shell :) |
| 14:12.12 | pelzi_ | :S |
| 14:12.28 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 14:12.34 | *** join/#debian Skrot (n=magnus@dhcp-105-252.idi.ntnu.no) |
| 14:12.35 | peacenik | mplayer appears to be an x-based programme, not console |
| 14:12.42 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 14:12.53 | tarzeau | peacenik: wrong |
| 14:12.55 | Skrot | Hi. Does Debian have a tool for administering apache2 sites-avalible/sites-enabled or do I have to create symlinks myself? |
| 14:12.56 | *** join/#debian callas (n=callas@host81-149-176-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 14:13.00 | tarzeau | peacenik: it does both and framebuffer too |
| 14:13.07 | tarzeau | peacenik: like links2 |
| 14:13.12 | ktwilight | Skrot a2ensite |
| 14:13.13 | tarzeau | (which also does svgalib) |
| 14:13.15 | simonrvn | Skrot: yes |
| 14:13.21 | LinuxHelp | How can I make a symbolic link (ln -s) appear as a normal file to ftpd, because currently ftpd reads the symbolic link and just passes it down the connection to the client computer (where of course it refers to an invalid location) ? |
| 14:13.24 | Skrot | ktwilight: thanks :) |
| 14:13.29 | ktwilight | :) |
| 14:13.45 | LinuxHelp | The symbolic link is to a directory I might add |
| 14:13.46 | pelzi_ | LinuxHelp: use a relative link |
| 14:14.08 | *** join/#debian Deny_[All] (n=pdiablo@230-215.static.dedicado.com.uy) |
| 14:14.18 | abrotman | cubiq: you could compare it to a non-fucked box |
| 14:14.21 | LinuxHelp | pelzi_: you mean like "ln -s ../relative-dir/" |
| 14:14.26 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 14:14.43 | *** join/#debian GoAuLd (n=oneill@37.Red-80-34-99.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:14.46 | *** join/#debian opensea (n=opensea@125.213.2.255) |
| 14:14.50 | LinuxHelp | pelzi_: I'm linking from /home/skiy/www/ to /var/www/ |
| 14:15.21 | pelzi_ | hmm. |
| 14:15.49 | douglas | hi pelzi |
| 14:16.15 | LinuxHelp | What do ya call a man with a spade in his head? |
| 14:16.20 | *** join/#debian adlpaf (n=adlpaf@190.37.157.1) |
| 14:16.23 | pelzi_ | evening |
| 14:16.35 | LinuxHelp | "Doug" |
| 14:16.37 | douglas | evening? ... time to whip out xtraceroute |
| 14:16.48 | pelzi_ | gmt +3 |
| 14:16.51 | douglas | Espoo? |
| 14:16.56 | pelzi_ | Tampere |
| 14:17.01 | tarzeau | what could be wrong here? bmptoppm: -: unknown cbFix: 108 |
| 14:17.02 | douglas | was i close? |
| 14:17.07 | pelzi_ | it goes in a fiber straight to espoo |
| 14:17.15 | LinuxHelp | And, what do you call a man without a spade in his head? |
| 14:17.29 | *** join/#debian tombs (n=tombs@ip5650dcfa.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 14:17.33 | LinuxHelp | "Douglas" |
| 14:17.36 | pelzi_ | the first router I can see is in Espoo, the rest is around 200km and fully transparent to me. |
| 14:17.54 | *** join/#debian DaBlade (n=linuxp2p@unaffiliated/dablade) |
| 14:17.58 | blondie | pelzi_: are yoy high? |
| 14:18.03 | douglas | how much do you pay a month (in USD of course), what kind of throughput does that get you, is it capped, and are you coloing or being virtually hosted? |
| 14:18.05 | douglas | LinuxHelp: yo |
| 14:18.10 | douglas | what can i do for you |
| 14:18.19 | pelzi_ | it's a home adsl :P |
| 14:18.27 | LinuxHelp | douglas, nut'n nm |
| 14:18.35 | douglas | LinuxHelp: how's it hanging |
| 14:18.37 | pelzi_ | and yes, I've had caffeine |
| 14:18.57 | douglas | wow africa |
| 14:19.03 | douglas | debian is truly international |
| 14:19.11 | LinuxHelp | yup |
| 14:19.25 | stoned | is there a falsely international distro as well? |
| 14:19.39 | douglas | LinuxHelp: i admire your resistance to running the distro associated with your continent |
| 14:19.42 | douglas | for some reason |
| 14:19.48 | pelzi_ | hehe |
| 14:19.50 | douglas | stoned: you know what i meant |
| 14:19.51 | stoned | I'd like to get one |
| 14:19.52 | LinuxHelp | :p |
| 14:19.58 | stoned | douglas, no actually I do not |
| 14:20.11 | stoned | because I refuse to know what you mean |
| 14:20.15 | blondie | douglas: I don't think it is. it's probably illegal to download it from the US to some countries. |
| 14:20.18 | stoned | :D |
| 14:20.20 | *** join/#debian idealm (n=ideal@218.82.57.80) |
| 14:20.27 | stoned | oh boy, wake n bake is great |
| 14:20.30 | douglas | then i'll rephrase.. debian seems to be the most evenly-spread OS geographically |
| 14:20.40 | stoned | there you go |
| 14:20.52 | LinuxHelp | Ubuntu is just an ugly rebranding of debian |
| 14:20.52 | douglas | blondie: i've never heard that |
| 14:21.05 | douglas | why is it so popular |
| 14:21.08 | abrotman | exportation restrictions |
| 14:21.11 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: and loss of software |
| 14:21.14 | abrotman | that's why we used to have non-us |
| 14:21.14 | Ronin | douglas: its pretty easy for newbies |
| 14:21.14 | tarzeau | douglas: is it? |
| 14:21.22 | pelzi_ | I'd guess it's illegal to download anything from the us in those countries |
| 14:21.24 | tarzeau | douglas: look at popcon.ubuntu.com then popcon.debian.org |
| 14:21.24 | stoned | we're discussing the internationalization of Debian, not talking shit on Ubuntu |
| 14:21.29 | stoned | shit talking is lame |
| 14:21.34 | blondie | pelzi_: the US laws, not local ones |
| 14:21.37 | abrotman | no .. there are certain countries .. not just "outside .us" |
| 14:21.41 | abrotman | !non-us |
| 14:21.41 | dpkg | hmm... non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 14:21.42 | pelzi_ | blondie: I know |
| 14:21.47 | douglas | tarzeau: ok i'll look.. i was just basing that statement on the freenode channel sizes |
| 14:21.47 | stoned | !non-abrotman |
| 14:21.51 | douglas | not very scientific of me |
| 14:21.52 | abrotman | boring |
| 14:21.52 | stoned | doh |
| 14:22.17 | pelzi_ | but aren't the export regulations about everything |
| 14:22.25 | pelzi_ | at least to some countries |
| 14:22.26 | stoned | yes |
| 14:22.41 | abrotman | yes .. like it was illegal to export PS2s to Iraq |
| 14:22.46 | abrotman | or some such crap |
| 14:22.50 | stoned | see |
| 14:22.51 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 14:22.53 | stoned | thats bullshit |
| 14:22.55 | pelzi_ | the PS2 is a computer |
| 14:23.03 | stoned | why would you deny videogames to kids |
| 14:23.13 | abrotman | http://www.mcc-us.com/ExportRestrictions.htm |
| 14:23.26 | stoned | I don't see a good enough reason to do so |
| 14:23.28 | douglas | These programs that pop in all the proprietary codecs and such... are they illegal to distribute from, say, the us? |
| 14:23.29 | abrotman | stoned: no .. it was powerful enough to be considered a supercomputer .. that's why |
| 14:23.38 | stoned | except, my countrie's penis is larger than your country |
| 14:23.39 | stoned | or rather |
| 14:23.46 | stoned | my god's dick is bigger than your gods dick |
| 14:23.51 | stoned | stupid moronic bullshit |
| 14:23.57 | douglas | stoned: my president is better at being a schmuck than your leader[s] |
| 14:24.03 | *** join/#debian kryptoz (n=kryptoz@221.135.191.222) |
| 14:24.04 | PerfDave | douglas: They're illegal to use *in* the US, certainly. Exporting from the US normally referred to cryptographic software, and that issue is pretty much dead now. |
| 14:24.05 | kanedaddy | hey |
| 14:24.06 | unixslut | sup |
| 14:24.09 | crptx | yo |
| 14:24.14 | *** join/#debian XemBiLL (n=Sohbetlo@85.98.189.245) |
| 14:24.15 | pickcoder | I think export restrictions are pointless |
| 14:24.15 | *** part/#debian XemBiLL (n=Sohbetlo@85.98.189.245) |
| 14:24.25 | pickcoder | stuff is gonna make it, regardless of paperwork |
| 14:24.31 | stoned | at work, before every sale, we have to ask 4 export compliance questions |
| 14:24.48 | abrotman | damn right you do :) |
| 14:24.49 | douglas | PerfDave: are > 128bit (or whatever the us max is) encryption ware floating around the internet a lot? |
| 14:24.50 | stoned | who will use the systems, where they will be used, city, state, country, what will they be used for |
| 14:24.53 | unixslut | that's a secret |
| 14:24.56 | kanedaddy | dunno |
| 14:24.57 | Coke | stoned: we have something in common |
| 14:24.58 | abrotman | stoned: that's nothing ..try to download the free oracle stuff |
| 14:24.59 | crptx | private |
| 14:25.04 | stoned | and we can't ship anywhere outside continental usa |
| 14:25.09 | stoned | if they want somewhere else |
| 14:25.16 | liable | wtf, you ask people what they are using computers for? |
| 14:25.17 | *** join/#debian OsRo (n=orosales@62.15.230.131) |
| 14:25.19 | stoned | you give them the 800 # for the proper department |
| 14:25.21 | *** join/#debian wwallace (n=wwallace@c-68-83-128-80.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 14:25.25 | abrotman | liable: you have to .. it's messed up |
| 14:25.26 | PerfDave | douglas: The US relaxed their cryptographic export regulations some time ago. |
| 14:25.26 | stoned | for that geographical region |
| 14:25.28 | douglas | liable: say what? |
| 14:25.35 | *** join/#debian cubiq_ (n=cubiq@193.15.99.76) |
| 14:25.53 | abrotman | liable: if you want to download the oracle free edition .. you have to check the box that says you're not a terrorist :) |
| 14:25.56 | liable | abrotman: you have got that right... |
| 14:26.02 | stoned | hey abrotman did you see my new guitar |
| 14:26.09 | liable | abrotman: thats just rediculous |
| 14:26.10 | abrotman | stoned: i thought you didn't buy it |
| 14:26.16 | douglas | abrotman: how joking are you? |
| 14:26.17 | stoned | no |
| 14:26.18 | abrotman | liable: i didn't say it made sense .. i just know you have to |
| 14:26.19 | stoned | I did |
| 14:26.20 | douglas | is that at all true? |
| 14:26.23 | stoned | 1400$ retail |
| 14:26.24 | abrotman | douglas: go try to download oracle |
| 14:26.34 | douglas | no thanks i'll take your word for it |
| 14:26.42 | *** join/#debian mmmmmmmmm (n=info@213.219.156.203.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 14:26.43 | LinuxHelp | Well, it'll be like "have you been a member of a terrorist organisation in the past?" |
| 14:26.45 | abrotman | wait .. waht's a site for posting picture s? |
| 14:26.51 | stoned | Yngwie Malmsteen Fender Strat, 3.5 mm deep scalloped neck, DeMarzio pickuips, s/s/h configuration |
| 14:26.54 | stoned | haha, ssh config |
| 14:27.00 | mmmmmmmmm | how to install mysql_config on debian? |
| 14:27.02 | douglas | abrotman: flickr |
| 14:27.10 | stoned | I use my own website |
| 14:27.11 | mmmmmmmmm | i can't find the package mysql-devel for mysql 5 |
| 14:27.14 | abrotman | douglas: i mean for a one time thing |
| 14:27.21 | *** part/#debian LinuxHelp (n=misha@dsl-165-230-97.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 14:27.22 | stoned | cp blah.jpg ~/laptop/public_html |
| 14:27.24 | stoned | then post a link |
| 14:27.36 | *** join/#debian naoliv (n=naoliv@biolinux.df.ibilce.unesp.br) |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | uhm .. no |
| 14:27.38 | stoned | its a lot easier than uploading to some bullshit advertisement banner site |
| 14:27.59 | *** join/#debian Adrian2 (n=Adrian@d13-168.dip.axsp.de) |
| 14:28.04 | Ronin | wow, thought we wanted to dl oracle not a weapon of mass destruction |
| 14:28.16 | stoned | lol |
| 14:28.19 | *** join/#debian black_13 (n=black_13@72.16.158.17) |
| 14:28.46 | PerfDave | abrotman: uuencoded it and post it to http://channels.debian.net/paste ? |
| 14:28.59 | *** join/#debian fourat (n=fourat@196.203.53.221) |
| 14:29.04 | stoned | PerfDave, how come I never thought of it |
| 14:29.06 | liable | thats really quite bizzare how far reaching this shit has gotten |
| 14:29.11 | *** join/#debian xorllu (n=xorllu@ira.cs.llu.lv) |
| 14:29.11 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@ecc93.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 14:29.20 | douglas | abrotman: ftp://abrotman:public@assambassador.com |
| 14:29.20 | *** join/#debian opensea (n=opensea@125.213.2.255) |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | douglas: http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/popup-license/xe-license.html |
| 14:29.54 | douglas | hmm i'll check that out |
| 14:29.54 | liable | douglas: you better hope he isnt uploading terrorist photos to your ftp server :) |
| 14:30.12 | douglas | liable: this highlights my general motif of stupidity |
| 14:30.14 | OsRo | somebody has xseries 306m with debian?ç+ |
| 14:30.15 | abrotman | they did away with the wacky checkboxes |
| 14:30.31 | douglas | but he's answered a lot of my questions and put up with a lot of my lameness |
| 14:30.33 | abrotman | douglas: but notice the affirmations at the top |
| 14:30.39 | douglas | and i don't want to /msg him without permission |
| 14:30.56 | *** part/#debian pa7iQ (n=gordan@87.97.101.84.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 14:30.58 | abrotman | douglas: you can turn that off .. thanks though |
| 14:30.59 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 14:31.04 | douglas | abrotman: ok |
| 14:31.14 | abrotman | but yeah .. |
| 14:31.33 | abrotman | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4143 |
| 14:31.39 | abrotman | those used to be checkboxes |
| 14:32.22 | douglas | "You are not a citizen, national, or resident of, and are not under control of, the government of Cuba, Iran, Sudan, Libya, North Korea, Syria, nor any country to which the United States has prohibited export." ... heh |
| 14:32.24 | douglas | first line |
| 14:32.28 | *** part/#debian JeffH (i=user@c-67-177-240-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 14:32.33 | stoned | heh |
| 14:32.38 | Ronin | like i said its software not a freaking atomic reactor |
| 14:32.40 | stoned | all embargoed cuntries |
| 14:32.48 | stoned | nothing else |
| 14:32.50 | PerfDave | Hmm, haven't the US lifted embargos on Libya now? |
| 14:33.00 | Dr_willis | i thought we did. |
| 14:33.00 | stoned | nope |
| 14:33.03 | liable | now carnivore has all of our ip's from that one line with those countries in it.. :) |
| 14:33.10 | douglas | google cooperating with the chinese government: a pussy move or good business? |
| 14:33.12 | douglas | or both |
| 14:33.20 | pelzi_ | both. |
| 14:33.26 | stoned | and offtopic |
| 14:33.27 | abrotman | ok ... i'm going to go now |
| 14:33.28 | *** join/#debian sepski (n=sep@217.17.211.51) |
| 14:33.30 | douglas | pelzi_: +1, Insightful |
| 14:33.43 | pickcoder | China has far better 'net infrastructure than we do |
| 14:33.45 | pelzi_ | but pretty unethical to support restriction of free speech |
| 14:33.46 | *** join/#debian brahma` (i=brahma@vs137096.vserver.de) |
| 14:33.59 | pickcoder | but then again, they didn't start with ancient Arpanet |
| 14:34.04 | pickcoder | heh |
| 14:34.05 | pelzi_ | in China you can get gigabit cheaply |
| 14:34.15 | *** join/#debian mrcoyote (n=mrcoyote@AAnnecy-256-1-169-117.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:34.25 | pickcoder | remodeling has its limits |
| 14:34.29 | pelzi_ | but for a Chinese person, "cheaply" means a year's pay :P |
| 14:34.32 | liable | and make money from spam :) |
| 14:34.32 | *** part/#debian naoliv (n=naoliv@biolinux.df.ibilce.unesp.br) |
| 14:34.43 | pickcoder | I can't believe the wasted fiber around here |
| 14:34.48 | pickcoder | dead and paid for |
| 14:35.10 | pelzi_ | it is called capitalism |
| 14:35.29 | PerfDave | You can get 100Mbit fibre dirt-cheap in Hong Kong. |
| 14:35.39 | pelzi_ | I think fiber is something that isn't very suited for companies. |
| 14:35.42 | *** join/#debian xorllu (n=xorllu@ira.cs.llu.lv) |
| 14:35.46 | pelzi_ | it should be government-regulated |
| 14:35.54 | PerfDave | *shudder* |
| 14:36.18 | rgsteele | FIOS, gov't regulated? |
| 14:36.42 | pickcoder | it can't be regulated now |
| 14:36.44 | rgsteele | Why? I work at a small business and we have FIOS, and I have it at home too. |
| 14:36.48 | pickcoder | they deregulated phone services |
| 14:36.56 | pelzi_ | well, in Japan you can't get adsl slower than 24mbit and most large cities have fiber in homes... |
| 14:37.10 | pelzi_ | well, it was stupid of the government to pay for all that fiber |
| 14:37.22 | pelzi_ | it was obvious the companies were just using it |
| 14:37.37 | pickcoder | yeah.. spending it on wars is far more beneficial to the countries infrastructure |
| 14:37.53 | pelzi_ | nah... |
| 14:37.58 | pickcoder | </sarcasm> |
| 14:38.15 | abrotman | #politics please |
| 14:38.43 | *** join/#debian idm (i=i3dmaste@nat/ibm/x-0947c4d18fa94878) |
| 14:39.00 | *** join/#debian LordLamer (n=lordlame@server1932015274.serverpool.info) |
| 14:39.19 | pickcoder | the past 10 minutes have been nothing but politics |
| 14:39.28 | *** join/#debian thingfish (n=mark@dialup-4.245.43.30.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 14:39.31 | abrotman | at least the export started with debian :) |
| 14:39.35 | pickcoder | gah |
| 14:39.52 | *** join/#debian freebsd_fan (n=unsure@200.32.71.142) |
| 14:40.15 | pickcoder | it's all a moot point when EMP wipes out all eletronics |
| 14:40.17 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 14:40.23 | *** join/#debian roberts (n=pinky@66.251.25.165) |
| 14:40.26 | douglas | is that a myth |
| 14:40.29 | douglas | i mean.. c'mon |
| 14:40.42 | douglas | sounds like something straight out of 24 |
| 14:40.45 | pickcoder | localised.. no, it's not a myth |
| 14:40.46 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 14:40.47 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@ip68-227-196-41.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 14:40.57 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@ip68-227-196-41.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 14:41.11 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse |
| 14:41.17 | pelzi_ | it's not as bad as they want us to believe |
| 14:41.24 | *** join/#debian Makenai (n=pawel@12.176.132.128) |
| 14:41.25 | douglas | abrotman: can it bust through a faraday cage? |
| 14:41.32 | *** join/#debian blindvt_ (n=bf@M809P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 14:41.35 | pelzi_ | I'd doubt that |
| 14:41.43 | *** join/#debian lightyear (n=lightyea@p548754FA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:42.04 | pelzi_ | it'd of course need to be a superconductive one to be impregnable |
| 14:42.29 | douglas | how expensive could it be to enclose servers with a faraday-cage-like box.. surprised that's not common |
| 14:42.30 | *** join/#debian fluxdude (n=fluxdude@ftp.phgroup.com) |
| 14:42.34 | pickcoder | a faraday cage still has limits |
| 14:42.42 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@ip68-227-196-41.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 14:42.46 | pelzi_ | a PC case is a faraday cage |
| 14:42.52 | pelzi_ | and concrete has steel |
| 14:43.02 | douglas | doesn't the metal need to be charged |
| 14:43.02 | abrotman | not all concrete |
| 14:43.11 | pelzi_ | most concrete does |
| 14:43.36 | PerfDave | Depends what the concrete's being used for. |
| 14:43.38 | douglas | pelzi_: maybe in your fancy-schmancy finland |
| 14:43.45 | *** join/#debian demon (n=demon@newcastle.devrandom.net) |
| 14:43.52 | pelzi_ | and a rack is metal... honestly, I doubt it will wipe all electronics, since data is carried in fiber when long distances are involved |
| 14:44.24 | pickcoder | pelzi_: what transfers the data on the fiber? |
| 14:44.24 | jair | hello guys, when I am trying to mount the image cd rom on the vmware with debian sarge, you guys remember how to type: vmhba0:0:0:5 in the way vmware will recognize it? any one here using Sarge as vm? |
| 14:44.33 | pickcoder | pelzi_: fiber doesn't store data |
| 14:44.33 | pelzi_ | pickcoder: no |
| 14:44.41 | *** join/#debian swors (n=swors@220.248.68.195) |
| 14:44.47 | douglas | i think there is money to be made with my genius faraday-cage computer case idea.. nobody steal it |
| 14:44.49 | pelzi_ | on a copper wire an EMP would induce voltage |
| 14:44.50 | demon | does anyone know where to get the current etch installer images? all the module udebs are for kernel 2.6.17-2-486, but the currently-available images have 2.6.16-2-486 kernels |
| 14:44.56 | pickcoder | and there are limits to fiber distances |
| 14:44.59 | pelzi_ | on a fiber one, an EMP does nothing |
| 14:45.15 | douglas | pelzi_: what about the classified EMP technology |
| 14:45.17 | demon | the ones I can find anyway |
| 14:45.19 | douglas | or are you that naive |
| 14:45.20 | pelzi_ | wires gather the most energy on an EMP. |
| 14:45.22 | pickcoder | pelzi: but the fiber becomes a useless piece of glass or poly when the repeaters and transceivers blow up |
| 14:45.27 | pickcoder | :P |
| 14:45.29 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 14:45.31 | pelzi_ | pickcoder: do they blow up? |
| 14:45.41 | pelzi_ | you do realize how much energy that requires |
| 14:45.49 | pickcoder | not much |
| 14:45.51 | *** join/#debian lftl (n=spanky@adsl-072-148-023-022.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:45.54 | liable | abrotman: see what you started |
| 14:45.55 | douglas | you know what doesn't work? reversing the polarity on a microwave in order to freeze something... doesn't even cool it down. |
| 14:46.02 | pelzi_ | I'd say you'll create a pretty big crater do EMP a continent of electronics |
| 14:46.11 | pickcoder | 100 volts @ nearly zero amps creates a discharge through air that can be seen |
| 14:46.12 | pelzi_ | *to |
| 14:46.15 | pickcoder | s/100/1000 |
| 14:46.15 | *** join/#debian Jussi (n=jussi@port190.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 14:46.18 | liable | demon: there is a link on the left side of debian.org |
| 14:46.19 | douglas | otoh i'm just thinking alternating currents |
| 14:46.25 | liable | !etch netinst |
| 14:46.26 | pelzi_ | 1000 volts does not. |
| 14:46.28 | pelzi_ | I have tried. |
| 14:46.39 | pelzi_ | 25kV from a flyback is nice, though |
| 14:46.43 | *** join/#debian RvGaTe (n=rvgate-f@g178204.upc-g.chello.nl) |
| 14:46.57 | jack643 | pelzi_, well no luck saving my system so far. I am done for tonight. I will post if I find a fix and file a bug report if it is not my own mistake. Thanks to every one for your help, and have a good day :) |
| 14:46.58 | pickcoder | when you hear a pop from the door handle, it's around 1000-2500 volts |
| 14:47.00 | demon | !etch netinst |
| 14:47.16 | pickcoder | anyway.. bbiab |
| 14:47.36 | pelzi_ | and the pop is about 1mm |
| 14:47.45 | pelzi_ | and not enough to break electronics |
| 14:48.16 | pelzi_ | a full PC is more robust than a CPU, for example, not hooked up to anything |
| 14:48.50 | pelzi_ | separate components are damaged by ESD, whole PCs are not, and a faraday cage should do the job anyway |
| 14:48.53 | *** part/#debian OsRo (n=orosales@62.15.230.131) |
| 14:48.54 | douglas | anybody ever fry a chip with static electricity? |
| 14:48.58 | douglas | or is that a myth too |
| 14:49.02 | pelzi_ | not me. |
| 14:49.17 | pelzi_ | I received a painful zap from a video card and it worked fine after that |
| 14:50.21 | *** join/#debian swors (n=swors@220.248.68.195) |
| 14:50.25 | Feax-Crysis | !mount |
| 14:50.25 | dpkg | mount is probably a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 14:50.29 | *** join/#debian n00b` (n=no0obie@87.86.215.3) |
| 14:50.35 | n00b` | hey guys |
| 14:50.37 | n00b` | quick questoin |
| 14:50.51 | Ronin | douglas: saw a video card get fried that way |
| 14:51.03 | n00b` | any faq or paper or website describing advantages/disadvantages of fedora/debian |
| 14:51.05 | n00b` | ? |
| 14:51.08 | abrotman | liable: eh ? |
| 14:51.13 | pickcoder | ICs have a lot of jolt protection in them now |
| 14:51.18 | Ronin | n00b`: yep www.fedora.com and www.debian.com |
| 14:51.19 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 14:51.23 | pickcoder | but some devices are still very non-tolerant of ESD |
| 14:51.28 | pelzi_ | and an assembled device has more. |
| 14:51.30 | douglas | Hmm.. Well, what about removing and popping in cards while the computer's on? i've gotten away with that |
| 14:51.35 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 14:51.36 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 14:51.38 | pelzi_ | so have I |
| 14:51.38 | pickcoder | that's we still sell wrist straps and ESD bags |
| 14:51.43 | n00b` | very smart Ronin |
| 14:51.50 | n00b` | u really should be an op in both channels |
| 14:51.51 | abrotman | !tell n00b` about why debian |
| 14:51.55 | abrotman | !tell n00b` about u |
| 14:52.08 | Ronin | n00b`: well what do you expect us to say? its #debian so of course debian is better |
| 14:52.14 | Ronin | its not hard to research |
| 14:52.29 | *** join/#debian chap (n=chap@p549CBD0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:52.32 | dhuv | I used to plug my motorola cell phone to my laptop via a usb cable and it would start charging, but after a resinstall of debain testing it does not, I get message in dmesg like "usb 3-2: device not accepting address 47, error -71" |
| 14:52.34 | Ronin | douglas: may not be bad for the computer but i doubt doing that when the machine is on will be good for you |
| 14:52.43 | dhuv | does anybody know what might be different or missing? |
| 14:52.43 | douglas | Ronin: maybe he's anti-canadian |
| 14:52.50 | pelzi_ | nah. |
| 14:52.53 | Ronin | douglas: no thats abrotman ;) |
| 14:53.01 | pelzi_ | hot-plugging just causes a crash |
| 14:53.08 | pelzi_ | so there's no point in doing it |
| 14:53.11 | n00b` | c Ronin heres the way i c it |
| 14:53.13 | n00b` | i like books |
| 14:53.18 | douglas | hot-plugging in keyboards and mice used to cause crashes too |
| 14:53.24 | n00b` | and there are a billion books on fedora and redhat |
| 14:53.28 | n00b` | and not much on debian |
| 14:53.35 | abrotman | there are a good number at amazon |
| 14:53.35 | Ronin | ya ps2 devices didnt really like hot plugging |
| 14:53.39 | n00b` | this makes u wonder doesnt it |
| 14:53.46 | Ronin | n00b`: not at all actually |
| 14:53.48 | abrotman | n00b`: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/books |
| 14:53.51 | douglas | n00b`: there's no way there's a billion books on fedora and redhat.. that's just absurd |
| 14:53.55 | Ronin | means fedora users need more help i figure |
| 14:53.58 | pelzi_ | ps2 hotplug works these days |
| 14:54.03 | cydork | n00b`: yes it does, i will shift to fedora 5 on my server now. |
| 14:54.29 | n00b` | cydork mayb u should wait a bit |
| 14:54.36 | n00b` | fc6 is comming really soon :P |
| 14:54.39 | douglas | n00b`: sometimes we forget that a billion is a really big number.. maybe that's why we say a zillion a lot. |
| 14:54.59 | pelzi_ | googol books! |
| 14:55.06 | abrotman | !tell n00b` about u |
| 14:55.23 | douglas | haha "!u" |
| 14:55.34 | douglas | dpkg is always fresh with good material |
| 14:55.49 | n00b` | very helpful guys really |
| 14:55.50 | cydork | n00b`: there are many books for windows too :P |
| 14:55.51 | enouf | 1.21 jigga-watts .. not that's a big number |
| 14:55.53 | n00b` | very helpful |
| 14:56.04 | abrotman | you got what you asked for .. i don't see the problem |
| 14:56.06 | n00b` | mayb thats just y i should choose fc :P |
| 14:56.12 | abrotman | please do |
| 14:56.13 | Ronin | n00b`: go for it |
| 14:56.14 | cydork | n00b`: please do |
| 14:56.16 | douglas | fc? fedora core? |
| 14:56.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:56.45 | enouf | n00b`: can't use fc5/6 .. his gdm.conf is missing .. someone stole it :-( |
| 14:56.47 | douglas | fedora definitely does not get me totally pumped |
| 14:56.55 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=Miranda@p5495C0B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:56.56 | tarzeau | isn't this |
| 14:56.59 | Ronin | i suggest trying several others as well n00b`, that way you can make an informed decision |
| 14:56.59 | tarzeau | #debian here? |
| 14:57.22 | enouf | n00b`: ever find it? |
| 14:57.24 | n00b` | enouf, how long have u been using linux? |
| 14:57.27 | douglas | n00b`: reconsider, debian is so much fun |
| 14:57.38 | enouf | n00b`: about 3 days :-p |
| 14:57.40 | douglas | i've been around the distro block |
| 14:57.55 | enouf | n00b`: give or take a year or two |
| 14:58.12 | n00b` | enouf, i havent started yet |
| 14:58.22 | abrotman | fedora is totally for you |
| 14:58.22 | n00b` | hence the n00b` |
| 14:58.30 | enouf | n00b`: /msg dpkg policy <-- that's why I use Debian |
| 14:58.58 | n00b` | fair enough |
| 14:59.14 | n00b` | but from some1 thats been using linux for over a year i would have expected a few more reasons :P |
| 14:59.16 | tarzeau | WEEKEND ALARM |
| 14:59.22 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 14:59.22 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 14:59.25 | abrotman | GO READ! |
| 14:59.26 | enouf | abrotman: no .. not really .. just misguided and a missing/stolen gdm.conf file |
| 14:59.28 | douglas | n00b`: what about debian do you find disappointing |
| 14:59.40 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@h126n1fls34o998.telia.com) |
| 14:59.44 | Ronin | seriously n00b` try a bunch of them, its the only way to make a decision, i tried 4 before setteling on debian |
| 14:59.46 | douglas | why would you want to switch |
| 14:59.50 | enouf | douglas: I don't think n00b` 's tried it yet |
| 15:00.00 | douglas | enouf: you might be onto something |
| 15:00.05 | douglas | s/onto/on to |
| 15:00.05 | n00b` | like enouf said i havent tried it yet |
| 15:00.21 | douglas | n00b`: okay.. then why would you say what you did |
| 15:00.34 | n00b` | its just that i wanted to start on it and i was looking for books |
| 15:00.41 | enouf | n00b`: I concur though ..try many of them .. read about the differences between each .. start learning basic *nix CLI functions |
| 15:00.44 | abrotman | Ronin: you are indeed a wandering warrior! |
| 15:00.48 | n00b` | i found so many books on fc like i said but very few on debian |
| 15:00.54 | n00b` | on the other hand |
| 15:00.54 | abrotman | n00b`: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/books |
| 15:00.55 | Ronin | abrotman: yep |
| 15:01.05 | n00b` | i know quit a few people that use debian |
| 15:01.08 | *** join/#debian opensea (n=opensea@125.213.2.255) |
| 15:01.17 | n00b` | so i was just wondering what key differences there are |
| 15:01.24 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 15:01.24 | dpkg | it has been said that bugstats is http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 15:01.26 | *** join/#debian Stevie[FP] (n=whatsit2@dsl092-226-067.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 15:01.29 | Pr0nStrGeek | dpkg and apt... =) |
| 15:01.30 | abrotman | wow .. i've only pointed them to you .. what .. three times now ? |
| 15:01.32 | tarzeau | n00b`: do you know how many people work on fedora? |
| 15:01.34 | douglas | n00b`: googling doesn't satisfy you? you really want to read stuff that isn't illuminated? |
| 15:01.35 | n00b` | and when i read the why debian |
| 15:01.37 | *** join/#debian dutche- (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) |
| 15:01.41 | douglas | you'd rather flip a page than hit page down? |
| 15:01.43 | enouf | n00b`: abrotman has posted twice (already) concerning links to help you get started |
| 15:01.54 | n00b` | its too generic |
| 15:01.58 | pelzi_ | ... |
| 15:02.04 | azeem | n00b`: please keep in mind that this is a support channel, not a sales channel |
| 15:02.17 | n00b` | dude its just a general question |
| 15:02.19 | enouf | n00b`: dumb answer |
| 15:02.37 | douglas | n00b`: why don't you spend that book money you have on a small hard drive and pop in debian to see what happens |
| 15:02.37 | tarzeau | n00b`: nobody cares in here if you use debian or not |
| 15:02.42 | n00b` | many people say they prefer debian coz it has the apt-get thingy |
| 15:02.44 | *** join/#debian LinuxHelp (n=misha@dsl-165-230-97.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 15:02.45 | enouf | n00b`: starts getting a whiff of troll bait |
| 15:02.56 | n00b` | but fc has a similar yum thingy too |
| 15:03.06 | Ronin | enouf: a whiff? |
| 15:03.08 | pelzi_ | oh please! |
| 15:03.11 | tarzeau | n00b`: but they don't have that many software |
| 15:03.13 | pelzi_ | you have to try yourself |
| 15:03.14 | LinuxHelp | Is this a valid line in /etc/fstab? "curlftpfs#ftp.host.com /mnt/host fuse rw,uid=500,user,noauto 0 0" |
| 15:03.17 | enouf | n00b`: you want us (or anyone) to decide for you? |
| 15:03.18 | vulture | n00b`: Debian is debian not because of that tool, but because of the actual package repository. |
| 15:03.19 | Ronin | n00b`: and mandriva has urpmi, and slack has whatever |
| 15:03.20 | douglas | n00b`: don't most setups have some package management system? |
| 15:03.20 | cydork | i say that's trolling |
| 15:03.37 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 15:03.38 | vulture | lots of debian derived distros & otherwise have such auto-install tools, doesn't make them Debian. |
| 15:03.40 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 15:03.42 | pelzi_ | let's ignore. |
| 15:03.43 | n00b` | actually slack has nothing this is why i didnt like it :P |
| 15:03.44 | douglas | n00b`: are you trolling? |
| 15:03.49 | n00b` | c now vulture is starting to make sense |
| 15:03.54 | enouf | n00b`: go to en.wikipedia,org and search each Distributions name and pkg management system |
| 15:03.58 | azeem | gentlemen, please stop argueing |
| 15:04.05 | PerfDave | Slackware has slurpy! |
| 15:04.14 | n00b` | azeem, seriously we are not arguing |
| 15:04.16 | cydork | !stop flamewar |
| 15:04.19 | abrotman | azeem: don't throw that term around ... i see no gentlemen here :) |
| 15:04.22 | n00b` | am just wondering |
| 15:04.27 | azeem | n00b`: see above |
| 15:04.35 | n00b` | and i need some1 to direct me |
| 15:04.36 | *** join/#debian nesys (n=nesys@81-174-12-111.f5.ngi.it) |
| 15:04.47 | azeem | n00b`: either ask specific questions, or just stay around |
| 15:04.49 | douglas | n00b`: it seems like your questions have been answered |
| 15:04.53 | azeem | we are not interested in distribution discussions |
| 15:04.58 | abrotman | n00b`: i've given you a link to the books .. and several articles .. please read those, then come back if you have more questions |
| 15:05.10 | n00b` | azeem, then dont asnwer |
| 15:05.14 | pickcoder | n00b`: for the most part, I like Debian because of stability |
| 15:05.17 | n00b` | abrotman, douglas thnx |
| 15:05.17 | x_link | wow |
| 15:05.23 | x_link | That drclaw was an awesome guy |
| 15:05.27 | douglas | n00b`: you're welcome, good luck on your quest |
| 15:05.28 | x_link | Hi everybody ! |
| 15:05.30 | abrotman | mad cat ? |
| 15:05.35 | enouf | n00b`: mind your manners .. or you'll get booted in a hurry -- and if you are serious about any of your seemingly inquisitive statements .. you'll follow the URLs given and read read read |
| 15:05.37 | liable | n00b`: try ##linux, there you will get much discussion on the best distro |
| 15:05.42 | abrotman | he's already there |
| 15:05.44 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 15:06.05 | Feax-Crysis | Can I have kde and fluxbox on the same box ? |
| 15:06.11 | simonrvn | s,much,much useless, |
| 15:06.17 | n00b` | cool liable ill try that |
| 15:06.22 | douglas | Feax-Crysis: yeah |
| 15:06.27 | liable | simonrvn: sssshh! |
| 15:06.36 | Dr_willis | Feax-Crysis, you can have several dozen+ window managers/desktop enviroments on the same machine |
| 15:06.37 | *** join/#debian qwertz (n=qwertz@pD9531B2B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:06.37 | Skiver | Feax-Crysis, yes. |
| 15:06.42 | Feax-Crysis | douglas, but I have already kdm I need to uninstyall it ? |
| 15:06.44 | nesys | hi folks ... I've a problem ... AMD 64Bit, mobo Asus A8N-E, Sarge 32bit ... 4Gb ram installed, but only 3.1 visible ... no memory hole (that's enabled H & S), OS kernel 4Gb supported, maybe I've to compile kernel with 64Gb support? |
| 15:06.48 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 15:06.55 | douglas | Feax-Crysis: nope you don't |
| 15:06.59 | *** join/#debian keko_ (n=keko@dsl-aur-ff23c000-132.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 15:07.00 | douglas | Feax-Crysis: do you have a desktop manager |
| 15:07.09 | Feax-Crysis | douglas, I think no |
| 15:07.19 | douglas | apt-get insall kdm (or gdm or xdm) |
| 15:07.20 | pelzi_ | kdm is a display manager |
| 15:07.30 | Dr_willis | kdm is a login manager. you use it to select the other desktop/window managers to run. |
| 15:07.32 | douglas | pelzi_: you know what i meant |
| 15:07.36 | qwertz | hid3, is there a backport of mysql-5.0-server for sarge? |
| 15:07.40 | Feax-Crysis | douglas: I have kdm |
| 15:07.57 | Dr_willis | kdm should have a menu to pick what to load up for your user. |
| 15:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 739] by debhelper |
| 15:08.03 | douglas | Feax-Crysis: then install whatever wm you want, then at the login screen you can pick which you want in the options |
| 15:08.07 | nesys | an advice will be appreciated ;) |
| 15:08.11 | Feax-Crysis | okay :) |
| 15:08.12 | enouf | nesys: not sure... but depending upon what cat /proc/iomem says .. you wasted 1 DIMM basically |
| 15:08.12 | Skiver | nesys : try read this http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 |
| 15:08.21 | |garo| | How should i give multiple commands to screen ? (in other words : in "screen command" i want to replace 'command' by 'command1 ; command2') |
| 15:08.36 | enouf | goes to read :-) |
| 15:08.36 | Skiver | nesys : i just stumbled upon this few days back. |
| 15:08.51 | Feax-Crysis | I install fluxbox and fluxconf ? |
| 15:09.12 | Dr_willis | Feax-Crysis, then it should have a menu entry in the kdm login screens under sessions. |
| 15:09.26 | Feax-Crysis | I install fluxconf or not ? |
| 15:09.37 | Dr_willis | Feax-Crysis, go ahhead - its a config tool for fluxbox.. |
| 15:09.47 | Ronin | Feax-Crysis: you can butyou dont need it to run fluxbox |
| 15:09.50 | nesys | Skiver 3+1? |
| 15:09.54 | Dr_willis | Feax-Crysis, install it if you want. or not. :) |
| 15:10.56 | Feax-Crysis | Ok it is installed and now ? How do i go on fluxbox ? |
| 15:11.27 | Dr_willis | Feax-Crysis, KDM login manager --> menu items - |
| 15:11.27 | *** join/#debian BluX (n=BluX@puffy.blump.net) |
| 15:11.37 | Dr_willis | or the gdm login manager should have similer feature |
| 15:11.47 | *** join/#debian futhin (n=wunderwa@bespin.org) |
| 15:11.52 | *** part/#debian futhin (n=wunderwa@bespin.org) |
| 15:11.58 | Dr_willis | logout, and explore your login screen. :) |
| 15:12.49 | nesys | enouf http://pastebin.ca/211875 ... could you help me? |
| 15:13.00 | Skiver | nesys : i have only 1GB and 128mb got reserved. |
| 15:13.14 | keko_ | what is god text editor with X something like texpad in windows.. |
| 15:13.21 | pelzi_ | scite |
| 15:13.22 | *** join/#debian Feax-Crysis (n=Feax@AAmiens-152-1-68-98.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:13.34 | *** join/#debian Kim^J (n=Hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 15:14.01 | nesys | Skiver no way to use all 4Gb? I've the HIGHMEM support up to 4Gb, but nothing .. maybe a software "limitation"? |
| 15:14.04 | *** join/#debian hobbesmaster (n=peter@199.76.152.192) |
| 15:14.08 | enouf | nesys: See line 30 --> fec00000-ffffffff : reserved <-- pretty surre that's the issue |
| 15:14.25 | nesys | enouf reserved from the system, is it? |
| 15:14.28 | *** join/#debian amee2k (n=thomas@p5497EBDC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:14.37 | jair | If I want to do a scp connecttion using ssh, do I need to specify with "-e" the ssh or -p port??? |
| 15:14.43 | jair | I can not remember that |
| 15:14.47 | Feax-Crysis | fluxbox works with x-window-system-core ? |
| 15:15.04 | jair | I am trying to scp a large file from one server to another using the scp (ssh) |
| 15:15.10 | enouf | nesys: Yes .. do a search in the various mailing lists .. list.debian.org (debian-user) ..also various linux comp.os.linux.* |
| 15:15.32 | enouf | nesys: ooops lists.debian.org I beleive |
| 15:15.40 | simonrvn | yes |
| 15:15.50 | Skiver | Feax-Crysis, yes. |
| 15:16.01 | nesys | enouf Skiver well ... The reserved space which we talked about earlier (in case of x86, 128 MB) has an area in which pages from high memory are mapped into the kernel address space. |
| 15:16.27 | *** part/#debian n00b` (n=no0obie@87.86.215.3) |
| 15:16.46 | nesys | enouf Skiver with HIGHMEM support, if I well understood, the reserved is always 128MB ... correct? |
| 15:16.57 | *** part/#debian hobbesmaster (n=peter@199.76.152.192) |
| 15:17.15 | enouf | nesys: IIRC it's a mobo chipset issue .. but i don't have hard facts to back that up, and haven't looked into it altely |
| 15:18.37 | Skiver | nesys, stated in page I pasted earlier, it splits to 3 and 1 g ? |
| 15:19.05 | LinuxHelp | prototypejack:/mnt$ umount box.actionpos.co.za/ umount: /mnt/box.actionpos.co.za mount disagrees with the fstab |
| 15:19.28 | *** join/#debian bayerman (n=root@ram-en-nar.inso.tuwien.ac.at) |
| 15:19.50 | nesys | Skiver maybe ... I see 3.1 on sarge, and 4 on asus bios ... before updating the system, my system was 2Gb, all free |
| 15:19.56 | *** join/#debian msn (i=manpreet@unaffiliated/msn) |
| 15:21.19 | Skiver | nesys: can you check your dmesg ? on very top of it, there's output for highmem and lowmem |
| 15:23.20 | *** join/#debian E-bola (i=ice@rbii-valhalla.mrseb.co.uk) |
| 15:23.26 | E-bola | Can u take over a nother users login ? |
| 15:23.39 | E-bola | My connection timedout during a apt-Get upgrade dialog |
| 15:23.42 | *** join/#debian MelkorD (n=morgoth@eha202.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 15:24.05 | azeem | E-bola: no, unless you used something like screen |
| 15:24.17 | E-bola | damm |
| 15:24.21 | E-bola | whats the best action then? |
| 15:24.25 | E-bola | to kill the processes? |
| 15:24.35 | azeem | see whether they are still doing work |
| 15:24.51 | nesys | Skiver interesting ... http://pastebin.ca/211887 |
| 15:24.51 | *** join/#debian yure (n=yure@dhcp-212-235-229-194.sd.uni-lj.si) |
| 15:25.05 | cafe_roy | keko_: gedit + gvim +++ |
| 15:25.16 | douglas | in gnome i had a "kill" button on the taskbar that would terminate whatever app you clicked.. any equiv for kde? |
| 15:26.02 | Skiver | nesys : so it's 896mb that got reserved ? |
| 15:26.18 | nesys | Skiver yes ... but what LOWMEM is? |
| 15:26.31 | nesys | Skiver and it's possible to use it? |
| 15:26.36 | simonrvn | douglas: you can always use xkill or just click the close button (gnome and kde support an xkill-type thingy for that) |
| 15:26.52 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@ebh85.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 15:26.58 | douglas | xkill it is then, ty |
| 15:27.03 | simonrvn | np |
| 15:27.14 | Skiver | nesys : on my box it's HIGHMEM that got reserved =\ |
| 15:27.45 | douglas | what is a .dcx file? |
| 15:27.46 | simonrvn | 896 would be the size of ram seen if highmem wasn't enabled |
| 15:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 733] by debhelper |
| 15:28.14 | nesys | Skiver maybe a kernel with lowmem support works like this? |
| 15:28.34 | simonrvn | there is no "LOWMEM" |
| 15:28.59 | cahoot | douglas: here I googled for you: http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=DCX |
| 15:29.30 | simonrvn | you can use 'file' to find out |
| 15:29.44 | douglas | cahoot: thanks |
| 15:34.39 | WorkRoey | hello |
| 15:35.44 | WorkRoey | When I dpkg install the kernel I compiled the debian way, I get this: Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/mapper/main-test' |
| 15:35.44 | WorkRoey | Fatal: open /initrd.img: No such file or directory |
| 15:35.49 | WorkRoey | what is going on here? |
| 15:35.54 | WorkRoey | yeah, so there is no initrd.img. |
| 15:36.00 | enouf | nesys: still 'round? |
| 15:36.17 | WorkRoey | - I think I'm using yaird so there wouldn't be one |
| 15:36.19 | nesys | enouf no solutions here |
| 15:36.37 | enouf | nesys: found some further info http://groups.google.com/group/hun.lists.mlf.linux/msg/810f93b2c05efaeb?dmode=source&hl=en and http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=freebsd-amd64&m=111222380900987&w=2 and |
| 15:36.51 | *** join/#debian poopybutt (n=Matt@cpe-71-66-224-42.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 15:37.04 | Skiver | nesys : i'm using 2.6.18-1 per-build, the highmem support is enabled by default. I can only recompile to disable the highmem. that's my solution. not sure about yours. |
| 15:37.08 | poopybutt | anybody encounter any problems with flash 9 yet? |
| 15:37.29 | Skiver | *pre-build. |
| 15:37.40 | PerfDave | poopybutt: It doesn't run on my MIPS box |
| 15:38.35 | amphi | poopybutt: it's too hard to download |
| 15:38.49 | *** join/#debian vicky (n=luser@unaffiliated/vicky) |
| 15:39.24 | nesys | Skiver thanks anywhere |
| 15:39.39 | rgsteele | poopybutt: To be taken seriously by me, change that nick. What, are we 13? :) |
| 15:39.43 | nesys | enouf I see ... but there's a workaround? |
| 15:39.54 | enouf | nesys: likely not .. just the way it is .. :-( |
| 15:40.54 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 15:41.00 | *** join/#debian g0dspeed (n=sjerf@dsl-083-247-102-234.solcon.nl) |
| 15:41.01 | enouf | nesys: one cosideration maybe the Mobo manual may have relevant info .. Read theough ths whole thread for suggestions (finlandia language ?) .. but you can get the jist |
| 15:41.20 | enouf | nesys: http://groups.google.com/group/hun.lists.mlf.linux/browse_thread/thread/e573507c4ab9e744/24acedc0c12ac681?lnk=st&q=HIGHMEM4G+64G&rnum=1&hl=en |
| 15:41.42 | enouf | nesys: ooops .. hungarian :-) |
| 15:42.08 | poopybutt | amphi: how is it too hard to download? |
| 15:42.17 | *** join/#debian dvst (n=Javier@201.208.113.135) |
| 15:42.30 | amphi | poopybutt: I can't want to |
| 15:42.59 | *** join/#debian freebsd_fan (n=unsure@200.32.71.142) |
| 15:43.27 | *** join/#debian prolific (n=prolific@66-215-157-30.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com) |
| 15:43.43 | nesys | enouf thanks ... but too hard ;) |
| 15:43.56 | enouf | nesys: :-) |
| 15:44.28 | enouf | nesys: one more http://slug.archives.nks.net/List/slug.archive.0206/0358.html |
| 15:45.07 | E-bola | Anybody know shfs? |
| 15:45.12 | enouf | nesys: many appear to be focused on 2.4.x kernels though |
| 15:45.12 | E-bola | I made it work in debian |
| 15:45.18 | E-bola | but the mounts arent shown by df.... |
| 15:45.47 | Skiver | nesys you there ? |
| 15:45.48 | nesys | enouf maybe the HIGHMEM64G does the trick .. HIGHMEM4G works with 3:1, but HIGHMEM64G? maybe I could solve my problem |
| 15:46.20 | enouf | E-bola: do you mean /dev/shm or shfs? == shared filesystem? |
| 15:46.29 | nesys | enouf Use a PAE enabled kernel ... perfect! |
| 15:46.32 | enouf | nesys: it just might! |
| 15:46.35 | E-bola | shfs the proptocol to mount a remote filesystem over ssh |
| 15:46.36 | *** join/#debian GreenCult (n=GreenCul@200.60.98.244) |
| 15:46.37 | enouf | that too |
| 15:46.49 | enouf | E-bola: oh .. whoops ..ok |
| 15:46.55 | E-bola | know it? |
| 15:46.57 | pelzi_ | the correct one is sshfs |
| 15:47.03 | *** join/#debian Nico (n=nicolas@219.188-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 15:47.04 | Skiver | nesys : you can try enable highmem64G |
| 15:47.04 | pelzi_ | and it is in debian |
| 15:47.07 | E-bola | nope there are multiple, this is called shfs |
| 15:47.11 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 15:47.13 | enouf | nesys: also ask in #hardware and ##hardware |
| 15:47.19 | E-bola | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/30 |
| 15:47.21 | pelzi_ | and shfs uses lufs afaik |
| 15:47.40 | Nico | Hello everybodu, how can I list all file with suid bits on my system ? (using find) |
| 15:47.54 | peacenik | ok thanks. I got it running. It just took me a while to figure out how to get mplayer . . . .( http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/ ). |
| 15:48.00 | enouf | pelzi_: ?? linux union file system .. or luks did you mean |
| 15:48.09 | *** join/#debian brainwashed (n=martin@srv.math.concordia.ab.ca) |
| 15:48.14 | *** join/#debian wimpies (n=u19809@cable-87-244-150-125.upc.chello.be) |
| 15:48.17 | nesys | Skiver enouf I try, then I post here the result ... thanks again for your support :) |
| 15:48.30 | enouf | nesys: cool .. |
| 15:48.33 | pelzi_ | lufs is linux userland fs |
| 15:48.38 | wimpies | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.39 | pelzi_ | but just use sshfs and fuse |
| 15:48.41 | enouf | pelzi_: danke |
| 15:48.43 | Skiver | nesys : sure. |
| 15:48.44 | pelzi_ | they Just Work |
| 15:49.17 | brainwashed | Hi! Any Idea how I can enable FUSE for all users, without adding them to a certain group? I tried to add a udev-rule but it doesn't seem to work correctly. |
| 15:49.32 | *** part/#debian Nico (n=nicolas@219.188-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 15:49.49 | black_13 | is the /etc/modutils directory peculiar to a debian system? |
| 15:50.12 | cydork | brainwashed: what do you want to enable? |
| 15:50.21 | pelzi_ | don't enable fuse to all users, it is not very secure |
| 15:50.30 | enouf | black_13: well if you google it .. does it contain hits from other distributions? |
| 15:50.46 | *** join/#debian testing (n=testing@lnx.noflash.org) |
| 15:50.48 | brainwashed | cydork: basically just users being able to mount stuff via fuse, without adding them to the group 'fuse'. I want /dev/fuse to be accessible by everyone |
| 15:51.18 | brainwashed | pelzi_: I have to, sry. |
| 15:51.22 | E-bola | pelzi_: well do you know why its not being shown in df? |
| 15:51.42 | Skiver | hey i still remember there's GUI tool used to recompile kernel...that can load previous config file ? |
| 15:51.43 | pelzi_ | E-bola: nope. sshfs is shown in df, no idea about shfs :P |
| 15:51.53 | rgsteele | wimpies: Yup |
| 15:51.57 | enouf | E-bola: virtual FS ? ... like /proc and /sys ? |
| 15:51.57 | *** join/#debian fluxdude (n=fluxdude@ftp.phgroup.com) |
| 15:51.58 | E-bola | hmm ok |
| 15:52.14 | *** join/#debian Kim^J (n=Hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 15:52.17 | E-bola | enouf: well virtual in the sence thats its not mmm psysical hardware |
| 15:52.33 | pelzi_ | nor a block device |
| 15:52.39 | *** part/#debian dhuv (n=dhuv@rrcs-72-43-107-50.nyc.biz.rr.com) |
| 15:52.42 | enouf | E-bola: can you cat through it ? and cd in and out? |
| 15:52.52 | E-bola | enouf: cat through what sory? |
| 15:53.04 | E-bola | i mounted a nother servers root on /mnt/remote |
| 15:53.08 | wimpies | I have this problem that I cannot connect to a new 4.3 system from a client that can connect to a 4.2 system |
| 15:53.12 | enouf | E-bola: IOW .. like cat /proc/cpuinfo as an example |
| 15:53.20 | E-bola | no thats not how it works |
| 15:53.21 | wimpies | It always falls back to password prompting |
| 15:53.27 | E-bola | atleast not as far as i know |
| 15:53.36 | cydork | brainwashed: check fuse mailing i read about it one or 2 days back |
| 15:53.39 | enouf | E-bola: I'll shutup now .. :-) |
| 15:53.48 | cydork | s/mailing/mailing list/ |
| 15:53.52 | brainwashed | cydork: thx, I'll see what I can find out. |
| 15:54.02 | E-bola | I guess this module isnt used that much |
| 15:54.20 | pelzi_ | afaik shfs is ancient and not actively developed |
| 15:54.25 | pelzi_ | note, afaik |
| 15:54.42 | E-bola | hmm ok |
| 15:54.47 | E-bola | would u recomend sshfs over it? |
| 15:54.51 | pelzi_ | yup |
| 15:54.54 | poopybutt | i think they should rename reiserfs to something like poopybuttfs so the name doesnt carry bad connotations anymore |
| 15:54.54 | E-bola | shfs is still in debian though |
| 15:54.57 | cydork | E-bola: depends on who you ask :P |
| 15:55.15 | E-bola | well i made shfs work |
| 15:55.15 | E-bola | being shown in df is a minor thing |
| 15:55.15 | *** join/#debian jivco (n=jivco@85.187.217.196) |
| 15:55.17 | E-bola | it woudl be nice, to keep a track of things though |
| 15:55.18 | pelzi_ | use what you like. |
| 15:55.30 | pelzi_ | sshfs doesn't show the proper info in df anyway |
| 15:55.35 | cydork | E-bola: sshfs is good too. give it a go and check the performance. |
| 15:55.44 | E-bola | is that a kernel module too? |
| 15:55.53 | pelzi_ | it uses fuse |
| 15:55.57 | pelzi_ | which is a kernel module |
| 15:56.02 | *** join/#debian erps2 (i=keefejoh@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-f4fc95924019bbe8) |
| 15:56.07 | *** join/#debian hxizan (n=hxizan@222.253.71.42) |
| 15:56.09 | E-bola | is the kernel module in debian? |
| 15:56.12 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 15:56.13 | E-bola | i dont wanna manualy compile stuff |
| 15:56.24 | pelzi_ | it might be in by default |
| 15:56.28 | pelzi_ | modprobe fuse |
| 15:56.47 | cydork | E-bola: fuse is included in linux kernel now days |
| 15:57.17 | cydork | E-bola: thats is after >2.6.15 i gues |
| 15:57.22 | E-bola | hmm well i coudl switch i guess |
| 15:57.23 | *** join/#debian abchirk_ (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 15:57.25 | *** join/#debian fken (n=fken@83.152.243.246) |
| 15:57.29 | E-bola | its just easier to use shfs now that i made it work :) |
| 15:57.39 | pelzi_ | sshfs is easy to make work |
| 15:57.39 | E-bola | i even upgraded to 2.6.17 to be able to use it |
| 15:57.47 | pelzi_ | if you can run it as root, very easy |
| 15:58.09 | fken | hello |
| 15:58.21 | pelzi_ | sshfs foo:/bar /foobar |
| 15:58.44 | *** join/#debian Edward_TLS (n=Edward@host-2.sfiss.demon.nl) |
| 15:58.46 | *** join/#debian OsRo (n=orosales@62.15.230.131) |
| 15:59.12 | *** join/#debian cr3 (n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3) |
| 15:59.19 | OsRo | hi .. somebody with xseries 306m and debian? |
| 15:59.34 | cydork | E-bola: i dont know about shfs but sshfs has read ahead and all. |
| 15:59.43 | cr3 | is there a way to generate a changelog of all the packages upgraded when running apt-get upgrade? |
| 15:59.55 | azeem | apt-listchanges |
| 16:00.36 | *** join/#debian oKtosiTe (n=oKtosiTe@unaffiliated/oKtosiTe) |
| 16:00.45 | brainwashed | Does Udev need to be restarted after changing rules? |
| 16:00.52 | simonrvn | !shfs |
| 16:00.53 | dpkg | from memory, shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 16:01.04 | pelzi_ | udevd, and afaik yes |
| 16:01.17 | pelzi_ | still, shfs uses the sheöö |
| 16:01.21 | pelzi_ | shell... |
| 16:01.26 | pelzi_ | sshfs uses sftp |
| 16:01.33 | *** join/#debian Greek-Boy (n=grb@193.220.93.162) |
| 16:01.50 | fken | I would like to install my wifi pcmcia card to reach internet with my laptop but i had troubles (I burnt 3 stable cd but needed to upgrade the kernel / now i uploaded the first testing iso and mount it to install the latest kernel) |
| 16:01.51 | Greek-Boy | How do I install debian 3.1 sarge on a intel server with raid? |
| 16:02.04 | fken | but i still dunno how to proceed |
| 16:02.14 | pelzi_ | tell us which card |
| 16:02.31 | pelzi_ | and paste lspci output somewhere |
| 16:02.32 | pelzi_ | !paste |
| 16:02.33 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:02.38 | erps2 | MS Exchange 2007 connections to my debian Exim4-daemon-heavy server are not going through. These are computers on the MS Main Campus mailing my system. Any idea I only show the connection attempts in tcpdump' |
| 16:02.48 | erps2 | s and not in my exim4 mainlog? |
| 16:02.55 | fken | especially because iwconfig still recognize no wireless extension even if i installed the rt2x00 driver thanks to module assistant |
| 16:02.57 | liable | fken: the laptop doesnt have a wired card you can use? |
| 16:02.59 | *** part/#debian jivco (n=jivco@85.187.217.196) |
| 16:03.05 | cydork | brainwashed: did you change the fuse group?? |
| 16:03.13 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: its the nature of 'real' raid that the OS ( linux ) cant tell it apart from a normal disk. You just need a disk controller that is supported |
| 16:03.18 | liable | fken: did you modprobe the module? |
| 16:03.21 | fken | liable : the laptop is old |
| 16:03.33 | black_13 | enouf does update-modules still apply to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:03.36 | *** join/#debian jivco (n=jivco@85.187.217.196) |
| 16:03.37 | fken | liable : i tried but i cant find its name |
| 16:03.52 | liable | fken: modprobe -l |grep rt |
| 16:03.52 | simonrvn | black_13: update-modules is a noop in 2.6 |
| 16:03.53 | pelzi_ | rt2500 |
| 16:04.02 | brainwashed | cydork: no it's still fuse, we have a bunch of groups here, i need them all enabled |
| 16:04.05 | pelzi_ | fken: tell us which card it is |
| 16:04.14 | fken | pelzi_: ok wait |
| 16:04.19 | pelzi_ | is it new? |
| 16:04.32 | pelzi_ | the newest Ralinks are not as well supported, I'm afraid... |
| 16:04.35 | brainwashed | according to syslog my fuse-rule is invalid |
| 16:04.48 | *** part/#debian jivco (n=jivco@85.187.217.196) |
| 16:04.51 | black_13 | simonrvn thanks ... i have a couple of vendor supplied kernel modules (no source) that i need to auto load could you point me at a document that shows how to load these? |
| 16:04.54 | *** join/#debian jivco (n=jivco@85.187.217.196) |
| 16:05.05 | simonrvn | in debian you use /etc/modules |
| 16:05.05 | pelzi_ | vi /etc/modules |
| 16:05.08 | enouf | black_13: .. modprobe certainly does |
| 16:05.15 | fken | liable: i dont see anything relevant with modprobe -l |grep rt ... but module assistant told me it was a success... then i am lost now |
| 16:05.27 | enouf | black_13: then add them to /etc/modules |
| 16:05.31 | pelzi_ | unplug and plug in the card |
| 16:05.41 | cydork | brainwashed: paste the line here |
| 16:05.43 | pelzi_ | then see dmesg |
| 16:05.47 | valdyn | fken: there's 2 sets of drivers, the 'fixed' free ones originally by rtlink, and the new 'from scratch' one. The new one seems to works just fine for many cards. |
| 16:05.58 | cydork | brainwashed: or if it's more than 2 lines use paster. |
| 16:06.10 | pelzi_ | why'd they rewrite it |
| 16:06.20 | enouf | black_13: note insmod is deprecated (because it doesn't load any possible dependent modules as well) |
| 16:06.25 | valdyn | pelzi_: because they found ralinks code a mess |
| 16:06.26 | liable | fken: hrm, i woulda thought it would be a rt* module. check the docs for the source package (/usr/share/doc/foo-source) |
| 16:06.32 | *** join/#debian maddog75__ (n=bill@81.168.13.69) |
| 16:06.44 | fken | wait : what i said is wrong because i made it on the bad computer sorry |
| 16:06.59 | liable | fken: also module assistent has logs in /var/cache which may give pointers |
| 16:07.08 | black_13 | enouf gotcha |
| 16:07.17 | *** join/#debian [Hazard] (n=h4zard@82.239.38.135) |
| 16:07.41 | simonrvn | insmod *never* took care of module dependencies |
| 16:07.51 | valdyn | pelzi_: or was that rtlink? i guess im confusing names, doesnt change the other stuff though |
| 16:08.06 | enouf | simonrvn: point .. precisely .. which is why modprobe is preferred |
| 16:08.14 | pelzi_ | dunno. |
| 16:08.17 | black_13 | enouf im confused the file /etc/modules.conf says "This file is automatically generated by update-modules" |
| 16:08.18 | Greek-Boy | valdyn: a disk controller that is supported? |
| 16:08.19 | pelzi_ | I've only used ralink |
| 16:08.25 | simonrvn | black_13: ignore it |
| 16:08.28 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: yes |
| 16:08.33 | Greek-Boy | valdyn: how do i get that in my sarge installation? |
| 16:08.34 | black_13 | but update moduels is obsolete as of 2.6 |
| 16:08.37 | enouf | black_13: update-modules I'm not sure about .. others will knwo |
| 16:08.56 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: you could start by telling us which disk controller you have |
| 16:09.03 | fken | card model : pcmcia card hercule wifi 802.11g (b compatible) 54Mbps |
| 16:09.19 | black_13 | which conf files should i touch to automatically load the kernel modules at boot time? |
| 16:09.27 | erps2 | Hmm, guess nobody is currently on that's familiar w/ exim. |
| 16:09.35 | Greek-Boy | valdyn: Intel Raid, I'll get the details shortly |
| 16:09.40 | simonrvn | erps2: missed your question |
| 16:09.41 | amphi | black_13: stick the names in /etc/modules |
| 16:09.49 | simonrvn | erps2: sec, i'll /lastlog |
| 16:09.52 | enouf | black_13: add them /list them in /etc/modules |
| 16:10.39 | simonrvn | erps2: what's the problem exactly? :P |
| 16:10.45 | enouf | black_13: if you ever need to blacklist a specific one " /msg dpkg blacklist " for info :-) |
| 16:10.54 | simonrvn | exchange not connecting would be a *good* thing :P |
| 16:11.18 | fken | with modprobe -l i found rt2500pci... but its a pcmcia card. is it the good one? |
| 16:11.30 | *** join/#debian sprink (n=sprink@242-41.125-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 16:11.48 | simonrvn | i kinda doubt it's relevant |
| 16:11.53 | valdyn | fken: its not really a pcmcia card, that bus is called cardbus or *maybe* pcmcia 2 or somesuch |
| 16:11.58 | black_13 | enouf blacklist? |
| 16:12.08 | valdyn | fken: but it plugs into the 'pcmcia slot' ) |
| 16:12.22 | valdyn | fken: pci is right. |
| 16:12.28 | simonrvn | prevent a module from getting loaded by any means (except manual) |
| 16:12.35 | fken | @all: excuse me for answering slowly : i have to move to the laptop to write everything : i cant copy/paste |
| 16:12.39 | brainwashed | cydork: KERNEL="fuse", NAME="%k", MODE="0666" |
| 16:12.56 | cydork | brainwashed: what about the group? |
| 16:13.00 | valdyn | fken: now you seem to be using the new beta driver.. |
| 16:13.04 | enouf | black_13: type this into your irc client --> /msg dpkg blacklist hit Enter |
| 16:13.11 | valdyn | fken: maybe you should stick to the stable driver |
| 16:13.23 | brainwashed | cydork: before I had group="fuse", owner="root" |
| 16:13.30 | brainwashed | cydork: didn't work either |
| 16:13.30 | valdyn | fken: actually, nm, that driver isnt even beta, its pre-beta, no matter what that website sais |
| 16:13.37 | *** join/#debian jetx (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 16:13.38 | cr3 | azeem: thanks for apt-listchanges, that seems to be exactly what I'm looking for. I'm not quite sure if it's possible to pipe the output of apt-get upgrade to apt-listchanges though, that'd be sweet |
| 16:13.50 | cydork | brainwashed: which version of debian is this? |
| 16:13.55 | fken | valdyn : the only information i get is the following : when i unplug and replug i get : "CardBus inserted in slot 0 |
| 16:13.56 | brainwashed | cydork: sid |
| 16:13.57 | black_13 | oh i got you when you say black list i think of ... well something ... i though you were commenting on the hardware vendor |
| 16:13.59 | simonrvn | cr3: it runs -listchanges auto |
| 16:14.01 | *** join/#debian StyXman (n=mdione@206-59-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 16:14.21 | cydork | brainwashed: no NAME needed. |
| 16:14.22 | valdyn | fken: that's ok, the card should show in lspci |
| 16:14.29 | fken | valdyn : and the name of the stable driver is ? |
| 16:14.50 | valdyn | fken: the 'stable' driver is called 'Latest BETA rt2500 driver: v1.1.0-b4' |
| 16:14.59 | valdyn | fken: the experimental driver is what you're using? |
| 16:15.06 | cydork | brainwashed: just use KERNEL=="fuse",GROUP="<your group>" |
| 16:15.11 | StyXman | hi all. has anyone successfuly instaled and configured kolab on sarge? I can't make it see the ldap server. I got the web iface to run, but I get this: Warning: ldap_bind(): Unable to bind to server: Invalid credentials |
| 16:15.19 | brainwashed | cydork: ill try, just a sec |
| 16:15.21 | valdyn | fken: their website is misleading at best. |
| 16:15.53 | cr3 | simonrvn: sorry, I'm not sure I understand |
| 16:16.07 | brainwashed | cydork: seems do work! at least 'stat /dev/fuse' says so, thank you alot! |
| 16:16.09 | fken | valdyn: sorry but i cant find it when i write lspci |
| 16:16.24 | valdyn | fken: why cant you? |
| 16:16.48 | fken | because when i write lspci when its unplugged i get the same result |
| 16:17.07 | valdyn | fken: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 16:17.14 | fken | i just see the name of the cardbus (Texas instrument ones) |
| 16:17.17 | evilbulgarian__ | hi, i am getting "sdb very big device try to use READ CAPACITY(16)" how can i enable that option or how exactly do i partition this disk with parted? |
| 16:17.18 | cydork | brainwashed: np :) |
| 16:17.25 | fken | debian kernel 2.6.17-2 |
| 16:17.32 | Greek-Boy | aardvarq |
| 16:17.43 | Greek-Boy | valdyn: Intel® RAID Controller SRCU42E |
| 16:17.44 | Greek-Boy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 727] by debhelper |
| 16:18.14 | black_13 | enouf do i have to give a full path name for the driver name in the /etc/modules file |
| 16:18.42 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: i dont know that one, google does i guess |
| 16:19.01 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 16:19.02 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 16:19.02 | enouf | cr3: may want to look at apt-listbugs too .. you can apt-get -s upgrade > somefile.txt if stdout isn't good enough |
| 16:19.10 | erps2 | simonrvn: Sorry :( Got distracted by a client (at work). Exim4 isn't showing any log of MS Main Campus Exchange 2007 servers connecting. tcpdump reveals that they are attempting to connect. Messages aren't getting through. MS users are getting delayed and failed responses after several days. |
| 16:19.13 | enouf | black_13: no |
| 16:19.37 | Greek-Boy | valdyn; how would i load the driver to the setup? |
| 16:19.41 | enouf | black_13: hopefully you have the modules in their correct places :-) |
| 16:20.04 | enouf | black_13: just the module name ..one per line .. and no file extensions |
| 16:20.19 | black_13 | enough /lib/modules/2.6.10-xxx/kernel/xxx |
| 16:20.20 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: i doubt you would, it would be loaded automatically |
| 16:20.28 | fken | valdyn: i saw a website where someone said the hercule pcmcia card works perfectly but it doesnt look to work for me |
| 16:20.29 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: otherwise 'modprobe <modulename>' |
| 16:20.32 | erps2 | simonrvn: I get a EHLO microsoft.com and a STARTTLS then MS disconnects.. No logs in Exim to even hint at what's going wrong. MS has enough messages queued up at hte moment it's trying to reconnect to my server every 6 minutes... |
| 16:20.34 | black_13 | enouf /lib/modules/kernelname |
| 16:20.35 | cr3 | enouf: apt-get -s upgrade | apt-listchanges --apt returns: Wrong or missing VERSION from apt pipeline |
| 16:20.38 | enouf | black_13: yep :-) |
| 16:20.54 | black_13 | once i have that entry is that it? |
| 16:20.57 | enouf | cr3: I didn't say that .. :-p |
| 16:21.00 | valdyn | fken: if its not listed in lspci, then you have issues with your pcmcia controller, not that card |
| 16:21.12 | valdyn | fken: ( unless we start assuming that card was broken ) |
| 16:21.19 | enouf | black_13: here's a piece of my /etc/modules .. |
| 16:21.25 | fken | the card works with windows |
| 16:21.28 | Greek-Boy | valdyn; its actually not real raid, its SATA raid |
| 16:21.33 | enouf | black_13: ide-cd |
| 16:21.33 | enouf | ide-disk |
| 16:21.34 | erps2 | simonrvn: all I can figure is that GnuTLS is failing to interpet the secure cert being sent, things are completely failing, and exim4 isn't logging that. But I don't have anything to prove that.. |
| 16:21.38 | cr3 | enouf: isn't there a way to do something like that though? |
| 16:21.51 | *** part/#debian demon (n=demon@newcastle.devrandom.net) |
| 16:21.52 | *** join/#debian maddog75___ (n=bill@81.168.13.69) |
| 16:21.57 | enouf | cr3: you misuybderastand how apt-listchanges works |
| 16:22.32 | fken | valdyn: well ill check if linux is able to detect my ethernet pcmcia card / if it doesnt then we will have the answer |
| 16:22.41 | valdyn | fken: ok |
| 16:23.07 | tuv | i get the following error when starting dovecot in testing: 'dovecotError: Can't write to log directory /var/log: Read-only file system'. used to work perfectly :( |
| 16:23.09 | valdyn | fken: though, if that ethernet card is a 16bit pcmcia card, it cant be listed in lspci |
| 16:23.24 | *** join/#debian Skiver (n=Skiver@60.50.136.233) |
| 16:23.34 | valdyn | fken: 16-bit pcmcia cards are like isa cards, 32-bit pcmcia, aka cardbus are like pci cards |
| 16:23.35 | enouf | cr3: read up on dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges |
| 16:23.43 | *** join/#debian nalioth_ (i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth) |
| 16:23.58 | enouf | cr3: you can control it's behavior |
| 16:24.10 | valdyn | fken: first will be listed in lspcmcia, 2nd in lspci |
| 16:24.26 | fken | ok... i need to install my pcmcia controller |
| 16:24.41 | cr3 | enouf: you are right, I don't quite understand how the --apt option works |
| 16:24.46 | unixslut | hello |
| 16:24.46 | kanedaddy | sup? |
| 16:24.56 | fken | lspcmcia = command not found |
| 16:25.01 | valdyn | !installit |
| 16:25.02 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 16:25.03 | enouf | cr3: I gave you an alternative command line ( -s = simulation) so that you can see what will occur IF you actually upgrade (beforehand) .. and ( > ) redirected to a txt file for reading/saving |
| 16:25.13 | black_13 | reboot time! |
| 16:25.19 | enouf | w00t! |
| 16:25.31 | valdyn | !find lspcmcia sarge |
| 16:25.37 | Skiver | ah Gaim finally has got own buddy icon. |
| 16:25.45 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'lspcmcia' returned no results. |
| 16:25.51 | valdyn | geez |
| 16:26.09 | *** join/#debian egypcio (n=egypcio@sec16.secrel.com.br) |
| 16:26.26 | erps2 | !find pcmciautils sarge |
| 16:26.31 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pcmciautils' returned no results. |
| 16:26.35 | erps2 | er |
| 16:26.40 | tuv | hmm.. looks like my root partition is acting as if it's read-only, although 'mount' shows it as 'rw' !! |
| 16:26.44 | *** join/#debian kyuss_ (n=kyuss@longview-cuda1-g2-70-36-114-21.losaca.adelphia.net) |
| 16:26.45 | enouf | cr3: man apt-listchanges |
| 16:26.50 | valdyn | fken: its not in sarge ( lspcmcia ) |
| 16:27.02 | *** part/#debian OsRo (n=orosales@62.15.230.131) |
| 16:27.12 | valdyn | fken: but since you are running a 2.6.17 kernel you probably arent using sarge |
| 16:27.15 | erps2 | fken: The package you want is pcmciautils (iirc)... |
| 16:27.17 | tuv | as root in /root, 'touch t' returns: 'touch: cannot touch `t': Read-only file system' |
| 16:27.47 | tuv | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 16:27.47 | tuv | mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 16:27.48 | enouf | !info pcmciautils etch |
| 16:27.55 | tuv | what could cause this? |
| 16:27.56 | dpkg | pcmciautils: (PCMCIA utilities for Linux 2.6), section admin, is extra. Version: 014-2 (etch), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 16:28.02 | kanedaddy | I'll soon find out |
| 16:28.03 | unixslut | investigating |
| 16:28.06 | valdyn | tuv: see hdparm |
| 16:28.15 | fken | valdyn: i installed sarge first and now i am using the testing first cd thanks to mount -o loop |
| 16:28.20 | tuv | valdyn, the primary disk is on usb |
| 16:28.22 | fken | thanks erps2 |
| 16:28.29 | erps2 | no problem. |
| 16:28.40 | *** join/#debian jetx (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 16:28.47 | valdyn | tuv: then there might even be a switch on that box for rw / ro |
| 16:29.01 | erps2 | don't suppose anyone here is familiar w/ Exchange 2007 servers connecting to Debian Exim4 boxes? :p |
| 16:29.06 | tuv | valdyn, there isn't, and no one touched in a few days |
| 16:29.25 | valdyn | tuv: so try hdparm |
| 16:29.53 | rgsteele | tuv: I missed the earlier part of this conversation, so this may not apply, but did you check the jumpers on the hdd? |
| 16:29.55 | tuv | valdyn, on a usb disk? |
| 16:30.12 | tuv | rgsteele, usb disk. no jumpers |
| 16:30.27 | tuv | rgsteele, nothing has changed too, not physically at least |
| 16:30.30 | *** join/#debian factorx_ (n=asdf@dslb-084-061-103-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:30.43 | rgsteele | tuv: Ah, ok. So randomly, in the last few days, the disk just became unwritable? |
| 16:31.02 | tuv | rgsteele, one partition on the disk only, the root partition |
| 16:31.11 | tuv | rgsteele, /home is still writable |
| 16:31.42 | rgsteele | tuv: But previously, the root partition was writable? And seemingly stopped being so for no reason? |
| 16:31.46 | tuv | valdyn, neither hdparm nor sdparm are installed. can't install anything with read-only root :( |
| 16:31.53 | enouf | tuv: sdparm? |
| 16:31.55 | tuv | rgsteele, exactly |
| 16:32.01 | enouf | ooops |
| 16:32.04 | valdyn | tuv: then use a livecd or whatever |
| 16:32.17 | rgsteele | tuv: Try editing the GRUB entry |
| 16:32.18 | fken | lspcmcia find a card and tell me to make lspci to see the details : lspci doent detect anything |
| 16:32.23 | rgsteele | tuv: Maybe you can specify some perms there |
| 16:32.28 | tuv | valdyn, hmm.. can't. it's an NSLU2. no cdrom |
| 16:32.35 | enouf | tuv: alter /etc/fstab and reboot? |
| 16:32.42 | rgsteele | tuv: what does your /etc/fstab look like? |
| 16:32.43 | valdyn | fken: can you paste the lspci output somewhere? |
| 16:32.51 | rgsteele | tuv: Also, what does the command "mount" return? |
| 16:32.59 | enouf | tuv: ahem .. ermmm Grub |
| 16:33.03 | enouf | :-0 |
| 16:33.07 | tuv | rgsteele, mount shows root as rw |
| 16:33.23 | rgsteele | So, it is mounted read/write? |
| 16:33.38 | *** join/#debian character (n=lsmith@192.135.141.99) |
| 16:33.40 | enouf | tuv: sticky bit? ..setuid? .. guessing |
| 16:33.45 | tuv | rgsteele, yes, and mount -o remount,rw / |
| 16:33.45 | tuv | mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 16:33.55 | fken | valdyn: i cant i just can copy it manually |
| 16:33.59 | rgsteele | tuv: Show me the line that corresponds |
| 16:34.04 | rgsteele | tuv: When you execute the "mount" |
| 16:34.18 | tuv | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 16:34.18 | tuv | mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 16:34.23 | tuv | /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw) |
| 16:34.24 | enouf | tuv: hdparm does indeed have write-protect options |
| 16:34.26 | *** join/#debian louben (n=me@213.5.52.181) |
| 16:34.43 | *** join/#debian abel (n=abel@189.166.136.77) |
| 16:34.47 | tuv | enouf, hdparm is not installed, and can't be installed on a read-only root |
| 16:34.53 | valdyn | tuv: which disks are there beside your usb disk? |
| 16:35.02 | enouf | just wondering if it's some funky udev rule .. or hal bullshit |
| 16:35.12 | enouf | tuv: I heard ya before :-) |
| 16:35.13 | valdyn | enouf: nah |
| 16:35.18 | tuv | valdyn, it's the only "disk" |
| 16:35.41 | evilbulgarian__ | hi, is "Large Block Device" compiled int he default testing kernel 2.6 for 686 ? how can i check? |
| 16:36.01 | azeem | evilbulgarian__: check /boot/*-config |
| 16:36.03 | *** join/#debian janbatisuto (n=janbatis@ARouen-252-1-90-83.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:36.04 | tuv | the only thing i can think of is reboot. can it do the trick? i don't want to ruin my uptime for nothing :) |
| 16:36.07 | enouf | tuv pastebin Grub and /etc/fstab |
| 16:36.10 | evilbulgarian__ | azeem: thx |
| 16:36.11 | *** join/#debian fadoksi (n=fadoksi@a81-197-0-72.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 16:36.18 | *** join/#debian psychoslave (n=mstumpf@phoenix.u-strasbg.fr) |
| 16:36.25 | valdyn | tuv: is that box networked? |
| 16:36.30 | enouf | menu.lst that is |
| 16:36.39 | tuv | enouf, no grub |
| 16:36.49 | tuv | valdyn, yes.. i'm there via ssh |
| 16:36.50 | enouf | tuv Lilo? |
| 16:36.52 | valdyn | tuv: pretty funny if someone compromised you and set your disk ro, pretty bad if he additionally set a password on your disk |
| 16:36.59 | rgsteele | tuv: no grub? |
| 16:37.01 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 16:37.07 | tuv | enouf, /boot is empty. it's got a firmware flashed in |
| 16:37.26 | rgsteele | tuv: you know what, i've seen this before |
| 16:37.29 | enouf | tuv: strike two |
| 16:37.41 | rgsteele | Except, with an embedded system on a compact flash card |
| 16:37.54 | *** part/#debian jivco (n=jivco@85.187.217.196) |
| 16:38.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 721] by debhelper |
| 16:38.03 | rgsteele | Had to mount the fs on another device |
| 16:38.05 | tuv | rgsteele, this is an embedded system too |
| 16:38.14 | *** join/#debian MetaPhaze (n=chains@71-214-131-9.roch.qwest.net) |
| 16:38.31 | tuv | i can't figure what could trigger such a problem |
| 16:38.32 | *** join/#debian dockane_ (n=dockane@p5084CEA3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:38.35 | *** join/#debian torp (n=maximus@150.162.67.57) |
| 16:38.36 | rgsteele | tuv: I dont' remember the specifics (I'll speak to my boss when he gets back from lunch), but I think you might actually need to mount the FS on another device to actually be able to edit it |
| 16:38.41 | *** join/#debian secher (n=secher@pool-71-248-202-130.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) |
| 16:38.41 | rgsteele | I know we had to |
| 16:38.57 | rgsteele | But, if you stick around for 30-45 mins, I can probably let you know exactly what he did. |
| 16:39.02 | tuv | valdyn, i just logged in again in new ssh session. using ssh keys. i still can login :) |
| 16:39.33 | rgsteele | valdyn, enouf: I'm pretty sure he's dead in the water as far as editing the root fs with an embedded system like that. |
| 16:39.35 | enouf | tuv: hard to think about a full atx mobo just sitting there with nothing but a usb disk hooked in .. hehe .. what is that TiVo :-p |
| 16:39.44 | rgsteele | He'll probably have to mount the fs on another device to edit it |
| 16:39.52 | enouf | yep |
| 16:40.08 | tuv | enouf, NSLU2. see nslu2-linux.org |
| 16:40.15 | rgsteele | tuv: If you want to stick around for an hour or so |
| 16:40.27 | rgsteele | tuv: I'll let you know what the solution ended up being. |
| 16:40.37 | enouf | tuv: no thanks ..not with those kinds of bugs :-] |
| 16:40.45 | tuv | rgsteele, for another solution than connecting the disk to another machine? |
| 16:40.47 | *** join/#debian hermann (n=hermann@thor.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de) |
| 16:40.55 | hermann | hi all |
| 16:41.12 | tuv | enouf, this is the first incident i ever had with it :/ |
| 16:41.13 | enouf | tuv: but curiousity always make me glance atleast ;_) |
| 16:41.24 | secher | Ok, I think I may have messed up, and need a hand. I'm trying to setup apache2, horde3 and turba2. I screwed up the configuration terribly, removed --purge the packages in question and noticed the configuration files were still there, so I rm-ed them manually. Did a reinstall and the config files have not been reinstalled. What's my next step? |
| 16:41.43 | hermann | I' looking for an apt option to show the content (=installed files) of a package... |
| 16:41.56 | valdyn | secher: you messed with the wrong packages |
| 16:42.14 | valdyn | secher: was apache2 affected? which apache2 package did you really purge? |
| 16:42.28 | tuv | valdyn, passwords working, verified |
| 16:42.45 | secher | valdyn: I purged apache2, horde2 and turba2 |
| 16:42.48 | valdyn | tuv: i was talking about your disk, not your linux system |
| 16:43.00 | *** join/#debian marlex (n=ircap8@adsl-065-012-224-054.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 16:43.02 | valdyn | secher: apache2 has nothing to do with your config files |
| 16:43.03 | stew | secher: /msg dpkg confmiss ; the apache configs are owned by the apache2-common package, not apache2 |
| 16:43.08 | valdyn | secher: try apache2-common |
| 16:43.08 | tuv | valdyn, passwords are stored on the disk with the trouble |
| 16:43.22 | secher | valdyn: cool, thanks. |
| 16:43.22 | valdyn | secher: similar for the other stuff probably, just that i dont know those |
| 16:44.12 | rgsteele | tuv: With the embedded system I had, someone else had actually written the filesystem such that you had to execute a very specific command to be able to edit it |
| 16:44.24 | *** join/#debian LordBrain (n=jim@user-0c6ssn3.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 16:44.26 | rgsteele | tuv: And it was specific to the root partition |
| 16:44.33 | valdyn | tuv: modern disks can be passworded, OS independent, gets ugly when someone else does that for you, it has nothing to do with linux |
| 16:44.54 | rgsteele | tuv: But, I only assisted in the project, and I'm not great with embedded systems. |
| 16:45.16 | tuv | rgsteele, this is a standard ext3 partition, created with debian tools |
| 16:45.39 | tuv | valdyn, can't be the disk, the other partition is working fine |
| 16:45.45 | rgsteele | tuv: I dunno then. If I were you, I'd strace the mount -o command |
| 16:45.57 | enouf | tuv: trying to grasp the process of why anyone wants usb networked ?? |
| 16:46.06 | *** join/#debian Gavrila (n=Gav@213-140-16-182.fastres.net) |
| 16:46.21 | valdyn | tuv: i see |
| 16:46.26 | Skiver | off-topic, is there any setting I can do to tell Xchat to open URL pasted in chat with certain browser ? |
| 16:46.43 | tuv | enouf, so that i can access it wirelessly from my laptop |
| 16:46.47 | *** join/#debian dr_wut (n=gimp@adsl-156-217-174.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 16:46.50 | *** join/#debian bwlang (n=bwlang@bb-66-55-211-238.gwi.net) |
| 16:46.54 | rgsteele | tuv: strace mount -o remount,rw / |
| 16:47.00 | tuv | enouf, from more than one machine |
| 16:47.04 | valdyn | Skiver: 'update-alternatives --list x-www-browser', see the update-alternatives manpage |
| 16:47.30 | valdyn | Skiver: if that doesnt work this might really be set in x-chat or using gnome's setting |
| 16:47.35 | *** join/#debian CAP5128 (n=ircap8@adsl-065-012-224-054.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 16:47.36 | *** join/#debian ofer0 (n=ofer0x@62-90-76-238.barak.net.il) |
| 16:47.49 | Anarka | you can create a menu in xchat for your browser |
| 16:47.51 | rgsteele | (or something similar...didn't actually verify syntactic correctness) |
| 16:48.00 | tuv | rgsteele, strace not installed :(. tells you how happy the system used to be! |
| 16:48.20 | enouf | tuv: why couldn't one access ide/sata/scsi disks wirelessly ? .. it msut be some "multi-Media-type" thingy as I eluded to |
| 16:48.26 | rgsteele | Can't you install strace on a writable partition? |
| 16:48.30 | *** join/#debian dansushi (n=dan@c-66-30-178-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 16:48.40 | *** join/#debian Gnomer__ (n=gnomer@c-68-63-246-172.hsd1.ky.comcast.net) |
| 16:48.59 | *** part/#debian CAP5128 (n=ircap8@adsl-065-012-224-054.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 16:49.15 | tuv | enouf, because the machine to which the disk is connected got only usb. no ide/sata/scsi |
| 16:49.21 | *** join/#debian netcrash (n=andre@88.157.32.22) |
| 16:49.49 | enouf | tuv: jusy install mythtv and be done with it :-p |
| 16:49.51 | tuv | rgsteele, that would be a long way to go. apt files are on root |
| 16:49.59 | rgsteele | tuv: Invest $300 in a barebones box and save yourself the headache. |
| 16:50.09 | enouf | tuv: I figured that out already :-p |
| 16:50.25 | tuv | rgsteele, this is my first headache ever with this little monster |
| 16:50.40 | rgsteele | Anything with ONLY usb and everything else onboard is just asking for a nightmare |
| 16:50.43 | *** join/#debian bcmmason (n=mason@70.89.178.179) |
| 16:50.56 | tuv | rgsteele, and i've had it for about two years now |
| 16:51.10 | rgsteele | tuv: And the very first problem you have is a complete showstopper. ::shock:: |
| 16:51.41 | tuv | rgsteele, actually not complete. i still can access all my files on nfs |
| 16:52.26 | rgsteele | So, in theory you could create a mount point on the box, nfs mount the root partition rw and be okay? :) |
| 16:53.49 | *** join/#debian colbinator (n=colby@lanip-170-65.go180.net) |
| 16:53.50 | tuv | rgsteele, hey.. a reboot did it. it's working fine now |
| 16:54.48 | tuv | looks like the recent testing bulky upgrades needed a reboot |
| 16:55.13 | fken | so |
| 16:55.18 | fken | see ya everybody |
| 16:56.32 | *** join/#debian Aubustou_ (n=Gentoux@APoitiers-153-1-19-39.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:56.33 | *** join/#debian Braindead (n=braindea@81-208-60-194.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 16:56.36 | rgsteele | tuv: What were the "bulky upgrades"? |
| 16:56.43 | *** join/#debian Bertram (n=yohann@ADijon-256-1-105-247.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:57.03 | tuv | rgsteele, i don't remember, but testing has been having a good deal of daily upgrades daily |
| 16:57.15 | enouf | tuv : fwiw http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/DataPartitionReadOnly .. but you said / not /data |
| 16:57.18 | rgsteele | tuv: And isn't the point of an embedded system the exact opposite of "bulky"? :) |
| 16:57.20 | *** join/#debian opensea (n=opensea@125.213.2.255) |
| 16:57.47 | tuv | enouf, that article probably has to do with unslung firmware, the linksys-compatible one. i'm using debianSlug |
| 16:57.50 | Skiver | valdyn: thanks, that worked. |
| 16:57.59 | enouf | tuv : ahh .. |
| 16:58.11 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) |
| 16:58.15 | tuv | rgsteele, it's debian's fault, not the embedded system. the device is really small |
| 16:58.28 | *** part/#debian vicky (n=luser@unaffiliated/vicky) |
| 16:58.37 | rgsteele | tuv: Granted, Debian doesn't have the smallest initial footprint. Well anyways, glad the little guy is humming along again :) |
| 16:58.41 | erps2 | I wonder if recompiling exim4 w/ openssl will fix my problems... |
| 16:58.56 | *** join/#debian marculix (n=marculix@gw.ptr-80-238-227-215.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 16:58.58 | erps2 | minus the obvious resulting licensing problems which I'll ignore. |
| 16:59.01 | g333k | have anyone here used geany IDE ? |
| 16:59.14 | rgsteele | tuv: FWIW, you might want to check out "Pebble Linux". It's a Debian-based OS geared towards embedded systems. |
| 16:59.54 | *** join/#debian marcot (n=marcot@unaffiliated/marcot) |
| 16:59.58 | tuv | rgsteele, debianSlug is specific to this device, and uses debian's official arm repositories. can't dream of something better than that |
| 17:00.03 | marcot | Hello There. |
| 17:00.04 | enouf | wonders when Bam-Bam Linux will debut :-) |
| 17:00.05 | *** join/#debian StupidMop (n=I_m@ool-4578a061.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 17:00.26 | marcot | Every GTK program I run I got the error: Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libpixmap.so: cannot open shared object file: |
| 17:00.42 | azeem | marcot: try a different them |
| 17:00.44 | azeem | theme |
| 17:00.45 | rgsteele | tuv: Ah, well if it's specific to the device, I don't think you're gonna do much better. |
| 17:00.59 | rgsteele | tuv: Anyways, food for thought on other embedded systems projects :) |
| 17:01.01 | marcot | azeem: hum.. |
| 17:01.29 | marcot | azeem: thanks.. |
| 17:01.43 | marcot | I think it's because I installed the theme I was using with gnome-art. |
| 17:01.49 | marcot | And it didn't check for deps. |
| 17:01.51 | abrotman | chanserv!!!! |
| 17:02.00 | abrotman | RichiH: what was that about? |
| 17:02.07 | ofer0 | heh |
| 17:02.47 | stew | abrotman: what was what all about? |
| 17:02.54 | StupidMop | debian on my laptop, apt can't seem to access the internet. I have an ethhernet connect on my home network. What should i check first? |
| 17:02.54 | abrotman | -ChanServ- You have been deleted from the access list for [#freenode] |
| 17:02.57 | abrotman | stew: that |
| 17:03.20 | stew | abrotman: you were probably +v in there at some point |
| 17:03.25 | *** join/#debian Angel_SL (n=angelsl@cm69.sigma13.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 17:03.26 | abrotman | i was .. but why take it away ? |
| 17:03.32 | stew | abrotman: to shut you up |
| 17:03.41 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 17:03.44 | stew | :) |
| 17:04.03 | stew | that channel doesn't exist anymore |
| 17:04.15 | abrotman | right .. |
| 17:04.29 | *** part/#debian Angel_SL (n=angelsl@cm69.sigma13.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 17:04.32 | abrotman | i still have it in #freenode-social .. oh well |
| 17:04.45 | *** join/#debian wimpies (n=u19809@cable-195-162-216-83.upc.chello.be) |
| 17:04.49 | *** join/#debian Angel-SL (n=angelsl@pdpc/supporter/student/Angel-SL) |
| 17:04.49 | *** join/#debian MegaByte (i=1000@201.79.139.73) |
| 17:04.51 | MegaByte | guys |
| 17:04.54 | wimpies | anybody know why this : iptables -A f2to1 -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -j ACCEPT produces a command argument error that --icmp-type is an unknown arg ? |
| 17:05.03 | abrotman | ask #iptables |
| 17:05.03 | MegaByte | what package in 64-bit debian provides libc.so.5? |
| 17:05.18 | abrotman | /msg dpkg search |
| 17:06.02 | SpComb | my windows BSOD'd randomly :( |
| 17:06.05 | LordBrain | apt is reporting warnings for me: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.tux.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB5E459A529B8BDA |
| 17:06.07 | evilbulgarian__ | ok, i have two scsi raid cards ( both megaraid ) i get "waiting for root file system" at boot can someone please help |
| 17:06.09 | MegaByte | abrotman: It's not answering |
| 17:06.26 | abrotman | !tell MegaByte about search |
| 17:06.45 | stew | MegaByte: i would guess that libc.so.5 isn't packaged for amd64 |
| 17:06.47 | abrotman | !apt-key A529B8BDA |
| 17:06.47 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A529B8BDA ; gpg --export A529B8BDA | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 17:07.30 | MegaByte | abrotman: I'm not running Debian, a friend is... and I don't use dpkg |
| 17:07.30 | MegaByte | so I can't search |
| 17:07.30 | abrotman | MegaByte: dpkg is a bot |
| 17:07.30 | abrotman | !search |
| 17:07.30 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 17:07.40 | *** join/#debian dan2 (n=dan@pdpc/supporter/student/beta3) |
| 17:07.53 | *** join/#debian tralala (n=joro@unaffiliated/tralala) |
| 17:08.03 | MegaByte | Debian Search disabled |
| 17:08.04 | MegaByte | The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it. |
| 17:08.20 | MegaByte | It's been like this for a while |
| 17:08.32 | *** join/#debian Baybed (i=sdgsdg@c213-100-37-209.swipnet.se) |
| 17:08.38 | Baybed | help meee |
| 17:08.40 | Baybed | I get this flooded for eternity when I try to install ubuntu 6.06: hda: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason=0x01) what is wrong? |
| 17:08.48 | azeem | Baybed: #ubuntu |
| 17:09.13 | Baybed | no answer, but I've seen it appears in many other distros |
| 17:09.18 | blondie | #ubuntu |
| 17:09.29 | abrotman | Baybed: you're using ubuntu .. please go to #ubuntu |
| 17:09.41 | abrotman | MegaByte: packages.debian.org |
| 17:09.43 | Baybed | no I'm using windows |
| 17:09.54 | RichiH | abrotman: what? |
| 17:09.54 | MegaByte | abrotman: found it already, thanks |
| 17:10.02 | abrotman | RichiH: the chanserv thing about #freenode |
| 17:10.06 | *** part/#debian |garo| (n=garo@dD5778861.access.telenet.be) |
| 17:10.07 | azeem | Baybed: either way, your question is off topic here |
| 17:10.49 | RichiH | abrotman: ah |
| 17:10.56 | RichiH | abrotman: we are cleaning out the old access list |
| 17:11.03 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 17:11.11 | RichiH | abrotman: we might try and rethink our approach to a seperate help channel |
| 17:11.12 | abrotman | but it still works in -social ? |
| 17:11.18 | RichiH | it's all very thinkie thinkie, yet |
| 17:11.22 | RichiH | yes, it does |
| 17:11.32 | *** join/#debian chap (n=chap@p549CBD0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:12.48 | *** join/#debian caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-049-242.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:13.38 | Baybed | WHY CAN*T SHIT JUST WORK |
| 17:14.01 | stew | Baybed: please turn off your caps |
| 17:14.48 | tralala | Baybed: why do I have the gut feeling that this is a sid question? |
| 17:15.30 | dendrite | tralala: Worse, Ubuntu. =) |
| 17:16.05 | Baybed | I'll try something |
| 17:16.15 | StupidMop | my debian laptop is connected via eithernet to my home router, and get see the internet... What should I check first? |
| 17:16.33 | StupidMop | ..and can't see the internet, what should i check first? |
| 17:16.34 | dendrite | StupidMop: Can you see the router? |
| 17:17.13 | tralala | dendrite: oh, boy! Don't say the U-word around all these debian zealots! |
| 17:17.25 | StupidMop | dendrite: no, i can not ping the router or any outside host |
| 17:17.32 | dendrite | tralala: Heh. No kidding. Even when it's an IDE issue... =) |
| 17:17.54 | tralala | not even then :) |
| 17:17.57 | dendrite | tralala: Is the failure to ping true even if you ping by IP address? |
| 17:18.31 | blondie | a/win 20 |
| 17:18.33 | dendrite | StupidMop: Is the failure to ping true even if you ping by IP address? |
| 17:18.44 | *** join/#debian Alakazamz0r (i=mike@cpe-72-177-236-10.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 17:18.49 | tralala | try pasting the output of 'ip r' at rafb.net/paste |
| 17:18.57 | StupidMop | dendrite: yes, i am pinging the router by its ip address and it is host unreachable |
| 17:19.21 | sepski | StupidMop, does your box even got an ip ? try ifconfig -a |
| 17:19.43 | *** join/#debian Debolaz (n=debolaz@dsl82-163-65-90.as15444.net) |
| 17:19.56 | StupidMop | sepski: yes, i have an eth0 |
| 17:20.22 | dendrite | StupidMop: ifconfig -a should show your network card. The next question (per sepski) is whether it's got an address. |
| 17:20.25 | enouf | StupidMop: with an IP addy? |
| 17:21.02 | StupidMop | yes, when i do ifconfig -a shows my network card with an inet addr |
| 17:21.41 | dendrite | StupidMop: OK, does the IP address, broadcast address and netmask look sane for your network? |
| 17:22.14 | StupidMop | dendrite: yes |
| 17:22.26 | dendrite | StupidMop: Next, does "/sbin/route -n" show an entry for 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 17:22.47 | dendrite | StupidMop: Something like "0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0" |
| 17:23.07 | *** join/#debian fujihc (n=stefano@host218-167-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 17:23.42 | StupidMop | dendrite: 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 u 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 17:23.52 | dendrite | StupidMop: Ah, no gateway. |
| 17:24.15 | dendrite | StupidMop: Wait, is there one for destination 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 17:24.18 | StupidMop | my gateway should be 192.168.1.1 |
| 17:24.36 | *** join/#debian bsmntbom1dood (n=gavin@ppp-70-251-151-218.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 17:24.39 | StupidMop | dendrite: no, that is the only like when i type /sbin/route -n |
| 17:24.42 | dendrite | StupidMop: In which case your 0.0.0.0 line should look identical to mine. |
| 17:24.55 | dendrite | StupidMop: You configured with static ip address? |
| 17:25.08 | *** join/#debian qwertz (n=qwertz@82.193.233.238) |
| 17:25.15 | *** join/#debian krifur (n=krifur@AToulouse-152-1-80-136.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:25.20 | StupidMop | dendrite: it should be the static address of 192.168.1.105 |
| 17:25.46 | dendrite | StupidMop: OK, in your /etc/network/interfaces file, does your eth0 have a gateway item? |
| 17:25.58 | *** part/#debian marcot (n=marcot@unaffiliated/marcot) |
| 17:26.09 | fujihc | hi everybody!! |
| 17:26.17 | fujihc | somebody uses apt-build |
| 17:26.20 | fujihc | ??? |
| 17:26.23 | dendrite | StupidMop: Are you assigning IP addresses in /etc/network/interfaces or via dhcp? |
| 17:26.46 | dendrite | fujihc: Probably, yes. "/msg dpkg anyone" |
| 17:26.59 | StupidMop | dendrite: yes, there is an iface eth0 line in there |
| 17:27.11 | enouf | dendrite: maube gave him/her do a /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:27.24 | dendrite | StupidMop: Right, something like "iface eth0 inet static" ? |
| 17:27.34 | enouf | boy that came out like gibberish |
| 17:27.36 | StupidMop | dendrite: yes, that is there |
| 17:27.41 | dendrite | enouf: Still trying to see if the file is sane. |
| 17:27.47 | enouf | righto |
| 17:27.58 | dendrite | StupidMop: is there a line like "gateway 192.168.1.1" ? |
| 17:28.07 | StupidMop | dendrite: yes |
| 17:28.13 | StupidMop | it's just like that in fact |
| 17:28.32 | dendrite | StupidMop: Per enouf's suggestion, perhaps try "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 17:28.53 | enouf | dendrite: wonder if dmesg | grep eth0 would show any errors |
| 17:29.11 | dendrite | enouf: Don't hesitate to talk directly with StupidMop :-) |
| 17:29.36 | StupidMop | dendrite: it said "reconfiguring netowrk interfaces... SIOCDELRT: No such Process" |
| 17:30.31 | dendrite | StupidMop: Hmph. Does ifconfig still show a configured interface? |
| 17:30.54 | *** join/#debian joeljkp (n=joeljkp@ws168-49.walker.dynamic.msstate.edu) |
| 17:30.54 | StupidMop | dendrite: yes |
| 17:30.57 | *** join/#debian Feax-Crysis (n=Feax@AAmiens-152-1-19-244.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:31.07 | joeljkp | how do i control how many instances of mysql start up? |
| 17:31.14 | joeljkp | mysqld, that is |
| 17:31.21 | StupidMop | enouf: when i grepped dmesg, it said |
| 17:31.23 | stew | StupidMop: the usually means that you have some interface listed in /etc/network/interfaces that isn't current present |
| 17:31.44 | dendrite | StupidMop: Do you have a firewire card? |
| 17:31.53 | *** join/#debian damnage_hack (n=raphael@dslb-084-056-204-189.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:32.08 | StupidMop | dendrite: i do not have a firewire card |
| 17:32.14 | *** join/#debian piko (n=piko@boh.netbox.cz) |
| 17:32.16 | StupidMop | just ethernet |
| 17:32.29 | *** join/#debian Stevie-O (n=whatsit2@dsl092-226-067.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 17:32.37 | *** join/#debian roxy_ (n=roxy_@86.74.78.229) |
| 17:32.48 | dendrite | StupidMop: I got bit once by having an ieee1394 card, and the kernel decided that had eth0 hanging off it... |
| 17:32.56 | multi_io | why do certain apps (like aptitude :() disable mouse copy&paste from the terminal? |
| 17:33.13 | multi_io | I mean why *can* they disable it at all? |
| 17:33.27 | dendrite | StupidMop: OK, Now is the cable properly plugged in, and does the switch show a link light on? |
| 17:33.28 | roxy_ | I am trying to find firefox/mozilla version 1.7 for testing. Does it exist ? I can only find 1.5 or 2.0(experimental) |
| 17:33.40 | multi_io | ..and are there termninal emulators that still allow c&P with such apps? |
| 17:33.41 | enouf | multi_io: it's a diff protocol .. not X .. /msg dpkg gpm |
| 17:33.51 | StupidMop | dendrite & enouf: when i grepped dmesg for eth0, it just says it the some info about the card |
| 17:33.52 | abrotman | firefox and mozilla are different things |
| 17:33.58 | StupidMop | and that autonegotional failed, using 10mbs |
| 17:34.21 | loxley_ | StupidMop: to get it to work temporarily you could perhaps just add the gw route manually |
| 17:34.25 | multi_io | enouf: I'm running xterm and xfce4-terminal, no gpm |
| 17:34.26 | enouf | StupidMop: follow up on stew's suggestion ... I was hoping you'd see errors |
| 17:34.39 | abrotman | !why is mozilla-browser not in testing |
| 17:34.39 | dpkg | mozilla-browser is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mozilla-browser |
| 17:34.43 | roxy_ | abrotman: I want mozilla 1.7 or higher to be able to run it inside eclipse 3.2.1 |
| 17:34.54 | enouf | !tell multi_io about gpm |
| 17:35.03 | *** join/#debian jor (n=jor@ip51cfee06.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 17:35.22 | stew | StupidMop: put the output of "ifconfig -a" and your /etc/network/interfaces into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:35.48 | StupidMop | stew: okay, i will do that now |
| 17:36.00 | roxy_ | abrotman: is the link you gave available for any package ? |
| 17:36.03 | *** join/#debian ArkoldThos (n=arkoldth@189.129.39.6) |
| 17:36.24 | stew | StupidMop: basically we are looking for some interface (like, say eth0) that exists in /etc/network/interfaces, that doesn't exist in ifconfig -a |
| 17:36.40 | *** join/#debian dan_ (n=dan@pdpc/supporter/student/beta3) |
| 17:36.56 | *** join/#debian eknar (n=bryan@cpe-24-160-190-34.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 17:37.01 | abrotman | roxy_: yep |
| 17:37.12 | tralala | another great idea would be 'ip r' as somebody (well me) happend to suggest 15 minutes ago |
| 17:37.55 | roxy_ | abrotman: nice :-) , I didn't know it. |
| 17:38.06 | enouf | one banana , two banana, three banana, four |
| 17:38.51 | enouf | tra la la .. lala-lala .. tra la la , la-lala-la |
| 17:39.14 | loxley_ | tralala: if he has the iproute pkg installed.. maybe he has not |
| 17:39.26 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 17:39.26 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 17:39.41 | LordBrain | hey, i'm trying to add a gpg key for ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ I tried gpg -recv-keys BB5E459A529B8BDA |
| 17:39.41 | LordBrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.42 | insmod | stew: it will only say if it's up -- and if so just cat /etc/network/ifstate |
| 17:39.51 | tralala | loxley_: we never came to know that, did we? |
| 17:39.57 | stew | LordBrain: --recv-keys, not -recv-keys |
| 17:40.02 | multi_io | enouf: ok, read the msg. So you can make C&P work with any app by running the mouse through gpm even under X? |
| 17:40.05 | LordBrain | ooh |
| 17:40.07 | loxley_ | tralala: true ;) |
| 17:40.07 | LordBrain | lol |
| 17:40.10 | *** join/#debian vos (n=vos@204.97.199.20) |
| 17:40.12 | *** join/#debian the_mug (n=the_mug@smtp.craftontull.com) |
| 17:40.21 | stew | insmod: what? |
| 17:40.29 | vos | Guys, how do i scan wireless nets from cli? |
| 17:40.42 | azeem | vos: iwconfig <iface> list |
| 17:40.52 | *** join/#debian eye69 (i=magnus@ipv6.upcore.net) |
| 17:41.07 | stew | vos: or "iwlist scanning" |
| 17:41.14 | insmod | stew: it will only say eth0 in dmesg if it's is up and if it is cat /etc/network/ifstate is a better way to see it |
| 17:41.17 | enouf | multi_io: basically gpm will support c&p using a different protocol .. but yes for CLI apps , it's the thing to use for that functionality (curses/ncurses) and such .. |
| 17:41.42 | simonrvn | might have to hold shift down when you want to copy something |
| 17:41.58 | enouf | !tell multi_io pastewithoutx |
| 17:42.13 | vos | azeem: get error. |
| 17:42.16 | stew | insmod: i didn't recommend dmesg, i recommended "ifconfig -a" which lists known interfaces if they are up or down |
| 17:42.18 | vos | stew: oki. |
| 17:42.20 | enouf | !tell multi_io pastewithoutx |
| 17:42.21 | *** join/#debian dpr0 (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) |
| 17:42.32 | insmod | stew: ah |
| 17:42.41 | simonrvn | forgot 'about' |
| 17:42.42 | *** join/#debian Caelum (n=rkitover@gateway.walmart.com) |
| 17:42.42 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.43 | enouf | !tell multi_io about pastewithoutx |
| 17:43.08 | Greek-Boy | valdyn I still can't figure it out, I've searched all over but there is no method to use INTEL ICH6 SATA raid controller. I tried to install with 2.6kernel and detected the drives but both of them, not as a raid. |
| 17:43.17 | *** join/#debian freebsd_fan (n=unsure@200.32.71.142) |
| 17:44.04 | *** join/#debian futex (n=futex@ADijon-256-1-81-236.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:44.38 | *** join/#debian solars (n=Johnny@chello080109141057.tirol.surfer.at) |
| 17:44.40 | azeem | vos: eh, sorry |
| 17:45.14 | multi_io | simonrvn: that's it (holding shift). Works in xfce4-terminal at least. Thanks. |
| 17:45.16 | *** join/#debian bulio| (n=bulio|la@c207.134.3-90.clta.globetrotter.net) |
| 17:45.26 | bulio| | how can I have mysql on debian sarge accept incoming connections? |
| 17:45.36 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-174-203.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:45.47 | netcrash | Hello , I'm installing debian with raid 5 using software , when I get to "Install grub boot loader" a fatal error is returned, , using lilo and trying to write to the /dev/md0 boot loader the same error happens, any tips or ideas ? |
| 17:46.06 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: that's ok, linux does not ever use that sata raid directly |
| 17:46.16 | tralala | bulio|: did you have a look at /etc/mysql? |
| 17:46.51 | *** join/#debian marcels (n=marcel@mstoop.xs4all.nl) |
| 17:47.05 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: do you like need to share that raid with windows? |
| 17:47.19 | enouf | insmod: i see you were referring to my dmesg | grep eth0 comment(accidentally to stew) .. question though .. On mine here .. there's no file /etc/network/ifstate |
| 17:48.36 | *** join/#debian Firestarter_ (n=Firestar@cpe-74-70-76-50.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 17:48.41 | *** join/#debian cqst (i=cqst@82.229.152.200) |
| 17:49.12 | *** join/#debian iamtheobject (n=object@c-24-30-38-49.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 17:49.31 | *** join/#debian palandir (n=palandir@p54A9D738.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:50.54 | evilbulgarian__ | "very big device. try to use READ CAPACITY(16)." can somone help me on this msg cannot use my drives at all LBA is enabled in kernel? |
| 17:51.01 | valdyn | netcrash: that does not work |
| 17:51.23 | Greek-Boy | valdyn; No i dont need to share it with windows but i was kinda hoping to run raid1 using the board instead of setting up a software raid |
| 17:51.35 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: not possible |
| 17:51.37 | *** join/#debian black_13 (n=black_13@72.16.158.17) |
| 17:51.58 | bulio| | tralala: I'm looking in my.conf |
| 17:51.59 | bulio| | Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on |
| 17:51.59 | bulio| | # localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure. |
| 17:51.59 | bulio| | bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:51.59 | *** kick/#debian [bulio|!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 17:52.00 | *** join/#debian bulio| (n=bulio|la@c207.134.3-90.clta.globetrotter.net) |
| 17:52.01 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: software raid is supposedly better too, but linux does not support that bios raid |
| 17:52.09 | *** join/#debian cafuego (n=cafuego@59.167.191.160) |
| 17:52.15 | black_13 | what packages give me the qt headers and libs? |
| 17:52.23 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: ( unless intel ships their own driver that does ) |
| 17:53.08 | Firestarter_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.18 | abrotman | cinerela and kino |
| 17:53.23 | netcrash | valdyn: no ? , why ? |
| 17:53.32 | Greek-Boy | ok |
| 17:53.41 | netcrash | valdyn: should I continue withouth boot loader ? |
| 17:53.44 | tralala | bulio|: did you see what does man my.onf recommend? |
| 17:54.04 | Greek-Boy | i'll use linux software raid then, I just hope I'll never have issues with it :) |
| 17:54.05 | valdyn | netcrash: boot off a real disk, md0 is not available before linux is booted |
| 17:54.19 | Greek-Boy | when I installed debian on a HP proliant server it detected the raid |
| 17:54.26 | netcrash | valdyn: problem is that doing fdisk -l , no disk is listed . |
| 17:54.27 | *** join/#debian MtJB (n=warthawg@cpe-66-68-176-215.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 17:55.04 | bulio| | tralala: no manual entry |
| 17:55.11 | *** join/#debian tjostolf (n=staua@ti131310a340-0259.bb.online.no) |
| 17:55.17 | Firestarter_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:55.17 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: maybe that was true hardware raid |
| 17:55.43 | poopybutt | what is mips? there was a file i was trying to download for linux and one of the choices was linux (mips) |
| 17:55.45 | *** join/#debian jldalla (n=jld@200.5.208.199) |
| 17:55.53 | tralala | bulio|: my best guess is to substitute 127.0.0.1 with your_actual_ip_address or 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:55.59 | netcrash | poopybutt: a type of processor |
| 17:56.38 | PerfDave | poopybutt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS_architecture |
| 17:56.57 | *** join/#debian OleMoudi (i=olemoudi@137.Red-83-50-225.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:57.00 | bulio| | tralala: the IP within the internal network? |
| 17:57.01 | poopybutt | thanks |
| 17:57.19 | *** join/#debian qailer (n=qailer@c80-217-91-17.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 17:58.12 | *** join/#debian Bertram25 (n=yohann@ADijon-256-1-113-85.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:58.31 | *** join/#debian Malagmyr (n=ohmygoth@ti211310a080-3059.bb.online.no) |
| 17:58.34 | *** join/#debian dan2 (n=dan@pdpc/supporter/student/beta3) |
| 17:59.14 | *** part/#debian MtJB (n=warthawg@cpe-66-68-176-215.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 17:59.31 | tralala | bulio|: this really depens on the intended usage of the server - if you put a certain IP your clients will be able to connect only to this IP |
| 17:59.38 | abrotman | !mips |
| 17:59.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mips is (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. or a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. or Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #MIPSLinux. |
| 17:59.44 | *** join/#debian Detox (n=Detox@nc-71-50-131-203.dyn.embarqhsd.net) |
| 18:00.52 | Detox | hey folks I have DL'd the debian live cd's an 3 different pcs burned iso's all checked well... boot and get multiple read errors, stating it cannot find certain files... any ideas? |
| 18:00.55 | brainwashed | !cpu |
| 18:00.55 | dpkg | somebody said cpu was (Central Processing Unit) Think of this as the brains of the computer. When most people think of processors, they think of Intel. The Pentium and Pentium Pro are CPUs. |
| 18:01.08 | *** join/#debian AciD (n=horst@unaffiliated/acid) |
| 18:01.12 | Detox | I know the DL was good,,and iso's check with md5sum |
| 18:01.31 | Detox | but appears to have broken stuff on them |
| 18:01.38 | abrotman | Detox: what speed did you burn them? |
| 18:01.39 | Detox | any ideas? |
| 18:01.42 | Detox | 4x |
| 18:01.43 | valdyn | Detox: or your cd drive is broken |
| 18:01.48 | cydork | Detox: from debian.live.net?? |
| 18:01.49 | MegaByte | Hey |
| 18:01.52 | *** join/#debian Evixion (i=Evixion@66-191-227-188.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) |
| 18:01.52 | Detox | three different pc's |
| 18:01.55 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 18:01.55 | dpkg | -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
| 18:01.56 | Detox | yes |
| 18:02.09 | MegaByte | How do I run ndiswapper + 32-bit flash + seamonkey? |
| 18:02.13 | blondie | user error. |
| 18:02.29 | MegaByte | blondie: ? |
| 18:02.37 | blondie | ! |
| 18:02.55 | bulio| | tralala: I changed it to my internal address, now I get: OperationalError: (1130, "Host 'xxx' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server") |
| 18:03.03 | cydork | MegaByte: huh?? |
| 18:03.24 | MegaByte | cydork: Isn't there a way to run 32-bit flash on 64-bit browsers using ndiswrapper? |
| 18:03.32 | tralala | bulio|: I guess you need to specify somewhere a list of hosts which will be allowed to connect |
| 18:03.35 | valdyn | MegaByte: no |
| 18:04.15 | cydork | !info ndiswrapper-source |
| 18:04.19 | blondie | flash sucks. |
| 18:04.21 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-source: (Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.23-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 145 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 18:04.22 | abrotman | flash has nothing to do with ndiswrapper |
| 18:04.32 | cydork | bah |
| 18:04.34 | stew | MegaByte: ndis stands for "network driver something something" it is for network drivers in your kernel and that is it |
| 18:04.39 | blondie | I thought ndiswrapper was for wifi cards or drivers or something |
| 18:04.58 | blondie | !ndis |
| 18:04.58 | dpkg | [ndis] (Network Driver Interface Specification) This spec was designed by Microsoft to allow multiple protocols to easily communicate with Network Interface Cards (NICs) without knowing anything about those cards. In theory, you just have to install the NDIS driver for the particular NIC and you can bind multiple protocols to it. Previously, you had to unload one protocol stack to load another. NDIS allows multiple stacks on the same card. |
| 18:05.02 | MegaByte | ? |
| 18:05.07 | MegaByte | Where did I read that?... |
| 18:05.08 | MegaByte | crap. |
| 18:05.12 | cydork | MegaByte: it stands for Network Driver Interface Specificatio |
| 18:05.13 | blondie | !flash |
| 18:05.13 | abrotman | blondie: it is |
| 18:05.13 | dpkg | it has been said that flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 18:05.22 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper |
| 18:05.22 | dpkg | [ndiswrapper] a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 18:05.25 | tralala | MegaByte: no, but you can run the browser and and flash player in 32bit chroot |
| 18:05.45 | MegaByte | tralala: you mean the 64-bit browser and 32-bit player? |
| 18:05.45 | blondie | cry at Adobe to make a 64-bit version |
| 18:06.04 | tralala | MegaByte: no, I don't. I mean a 32bit browser and 32bit player/plugin. |
| 18:06.16 | *** join/#debian wojci (n=wojci@port65.ds1-abs.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 18:07.10 | *** join/#debian jenipapo (n=chf@82.227.180.36) |
| 18:07.16 | cydork | MegaByte: you can try with ia32-libs but dont know if it will work. never bothered about it :P |
| 18:07.17 | tralala | MegaByte: before you proceed with installing it you might want to consider http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2005/09/06/287-why-i-hate-flash |
| 18:07.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:07.28 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:07.37 | MegaByte | tralala: it's not for me |
| 18:07.41 | abrotman | tralala: i think he's already decided he doesn't hate flash :) |
| 18:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 729] by debhelper |
| 18:08.01 | tralala | abrotman: it's not too late to correct this mistake ;) |
| 18:08.10 | *** join/#debian mo1991 (n=mo1991@adsl-68-20-9-42.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 18:08.28 | mo1991 | anyone know what package I need to get k3b to be able to burn m4a files to an audio disc? |
| 18:08.38 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 18:10.59 | *** join/#debian Suprano_ (n=anonym00@84-245-182-202.ipool.celox.de) |
| 18:11.43 | *** join/#debian jaxadmrl (i=davutz@207-255-47-031-dhcp.jst.pa.atlanticbb.net) |
| 18:13.19 | tarzeau | mo1991: can you provide an example m4a file? |
| 18:13.50 | MegaByte | do you guys know what's the package that has 32-bit gtk? |
| 18:13.54 | MegaByte | I can't locate it |
| 18:14.01 | *** join/#debian JordiGH (n=jordi@148.235.65.240) |
| 18:14.01 | MegaByte | either no match, or too many matches |
| 18:14.28 | *** join/#debian CcSsNET (n=ccssnet@c-24-147-193-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 18:14.43 | JordiGH | The Google ads in Gmail for the Debian mailing lists send me to Ubuntu sites. Well, I never... |
| 18:15.18 | MegaByte | Do you guys know? |
| 18:15.29 | abrotman | MegaByte: why don't you run 32bit instead ? |
| 18:15.46 | MegaByte | abrotman: because it's not me |
| 18:15.50 | MegaByte | I run 32-bit slackware |
| 18:15.52 | JordiGH | 278 release critical bugs for etch! This is as exciting as watching the stock market. |
| 18:15.57 | MegaByte | didn't you pay attention in that little detail? |
| 18:16.20 | JordiGH | <MegaByte> I run 32-bit slackware <-- Whoa, buddy. I think I just found your problem. |
| 18:16.41 | PerfDave | JordiGH: Except the stock market changes occasionally, and the rc bugcount stays constant |
| 18:16.58 | JordiGH | PerfDave: Sometimes it moves! It's so exciting when it does. |
| 18:16.59 | MegaByte | JordiGH: It's a friend of mine that runs amd_64 debian and I recommended him seamonkey |
| 18:17.08 | *** join/#debian brainwashed (n=martin@srv.math.concordia.ab.ca) |
| 18:17.21 | tralala | MegaByte: recommend him a 32bit chroot if he wants flash |
| 18:17.25 | abrotman | MegaByte: yes .. i noticed .. but why don't *they* run 32bit debian ? |
| 18:17.51 | MegaByte | abrotman: I told him already, but he doesn't want to move... |
| 18:18.10 | tralala | better yet, recommend him not to use flash and spare himself from trouble |
| 18:18.19 | *** part/#debian liran- (n=Liran@212.199.177.207.static.012.net.il) |
| 18:18.24 | PerfDave | So is the new Flash 9 for linux still not 64-bit? |
| 18:18.29 | JordiGH | Oh, flash in 64 bit Debian. Gnash isn't ready yet, and Macro^H^H^H^H^H Adobe won't provide a 64 bit binary. chroot or 32bit Debian are his only options. |
| 18:18.42 | MegaByte | PerfDave: guess what |
| 18:18.42 | MegaByte | no |
| 18:18.47 | JordiGH | PerfDave: Has Adobe ever madea 64 bit flash player? |
| 18:18.52 | PerfDave | Sorry, still not x86_64? There are plenty of 64-bit arches which will never see proprietary flash. |
| 18:18.58 | mo1991 | tarzeau - I believe they are the ipod format - basically mpeg4 |
| 18:18.59 | tarzeau | who cares about flash? |
| 18:19.05 | tarzeau | they only flash i like is gordon! |
| 18:19.07 | PerfDave | JordiGH: No idea. It's not like anyone uses WinXP 64 ;) |
| 18:19.16 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Lots of people do :) |
| 18:19.18 | tarzeau | mo1991: but can you provide me file by http url? |
| 18:19.23 | tarzeau | PerfDave: i don't |
| 18:19.25 | JordiGH | PerfDave: I meant, for our side of the fence. Who cares about WinXP! :D |
| 18:19.26 | tarzeau | PerfDave: that's simple :) |
| 18:19.57 | tarzeau | PerfDave: a web page providing only flash and no other means of accessing pictures/text is just unusable |
| 18:20.04 | *** join/#debian thelostbutler (n=thelostb@g1spf.jeeves.ask.info) |
| 18:20.28 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Yes |
| 18:20.33 | PerfDave | And illegal in some countries |
| 18:20.36 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Frankly, I'd be happy if YouTube would provide something other than flv. :-/ |
| 18:20.49 | JordiGH | PerfDave: Ha! Flash webpages are illegal? Where? |
| 18:20.53 | tarzeau | JordiGH: so would i, like divx? |
| 18:21.05 | tralala | surely Adobe is about to release not only a 64bit flash player but to completely open its code so it can be ported to everything ranging from supercomputers to kitchen toasters |
| 18:21.23 | tarzeau | nobody cares about adobe. it's not in debian. PLEASE STOP |
| 18:21.24 | *** join/#debian Charminthemoose (n=andrew@83.70.229.111) |
| 18:21.24 | JordiGH | tralala: At least they made pdf an open format. |
| 18:21.26 | tarzeau | it's OFF TOPIC HERE |
| 18:21.47 | PerfDave | JordiGH: Government websites which are not usable without Flash could be sued under disability discrimination laws by visually-impaired users with screenreaders, for example. |
| 18:22.03 | JordiGH | No, Adobe is not offtopic. We use pdf extensively which they invented. We care about what they do. We'll care if they release a future version of pdf without releasing its specification and if everyone but us starts using that new version of pdf. |
| 18:22.31 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and microsoft created rtf |
| 18:22.38 | tarzeau | JordiGH: yet we don't talk about windows here |
| 18:22.39 | *** join/#debian stinerman (n=stinerma@cpe-65-31-32-187.woh.res.rr.com) |
| 18:22.41 | JordiGH | PerfDave: In the US, I imagine. Fuck, I'd love it if I could sue the Mexican government for their absolutely horrible webpages. |
| 18:22.41 | *** join/#debian helfrez (i=helfrez@nat/ibm/x-35e399a56a2fad9c) |
| 18:22.57 | *** join/#debian Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 18:23.04 | tralala | JordiGH: and then they made those nice propriarity extensions of it to support filling in forms... |
| 18:23.13 | JordiGH | But then again, the webpage layout just mimics the layout of our laws, so I guess it would be an uphill battles. |
| 18:23.17 | *** join/#debian p3rti (n=perti@190.70.106.207) |
| 18:23.20 | tarzeau | tralala: which don't work properly |
| 18:23.20 | stew | freenode/#debian.log:14:22 < tarzeau> does someone have tcpd.exe for win32? |
| 18:23.24 | stew | :) |
| 18:23.28 | tarzeau | tralala: tried adobe pdf products on mac os x? |
| 18:23.28 | JordiGH | tralala: Yes. This is bad. ;-/ |
| 18:23.35 | tarzeau | stew: so? |
| 18:23.38 | PerfDave | JordiGH: And the UK |
| 18:23.43 | stew | < tarzeau> JordiGH: yet we don't talk about windows here |
| 18:23.46 | tarzeau | stew: i CAN ask that, he not! |
| 18:24.10 | stew | tarzeau: so its ok to ask questions about windows just not discuss windows? |
| 18:24.11 | tralala | tarzeau: that's the spirit! GO tarzeau GO! |
| 18:24.18 | tarzeau | stew: exactly |
| 18:24.24 | *** join/#debian p3rti (n=perti@190.70.106.207) |
| 18:24.25 | stew | tarzeau: you are wrong about that |
| 18:24.46 | *** join/#debian roxy_ (n=roxy_@86.74.78.229) |
| 18:24.58 | x_link | Hi guys. |
| 18:25.04 | *** join/#debian brainwashed (n=martin@srv.math.concordia.ab.ca) |
| 18:25.13 | tralala | tarzeau: nope I haven't. Instead I'm trying not to try PDF as much as possible. |
| 18:25.14 | amphi | !greet x_link |
| 18:25.14 | dpkg | Hello, x_link |
| 18:25.15 | x_link | I have a 4.3GB hdd which my Debian Testing is installed on, then I have a 40Gb hdd |
| 18:25.21 | tarzeau | tralala: same here |
| 18:25.47 | *** join/#debian character (n=lsmith@192.135.141.99) |
| 18:25.52 | x_link | I have a plastic/metalic thing with two fans onit, it's a hdd fan. Right now I have it on my 4.3GB hdd and I was wondering if I should put in on my 40GB hdd insted ? |
| 18:26.00 | JordiGH | Fuck. There's no way I could avoid pdf or ps. It's the only open formats we have available for scientific publications. :-/ |
| 18:26.03 | x_link | Hi tralala !! =) |
| 18:26.04 | x_link | and amphi =) |
| 18:26.07 | *** join/#debian fourat (n=fourat@196.203.53.221) |
| 18:26.07 | tarzeau | JordiGH: open formats? |
| 18:26.12 | *** join/#debian abyssal (n=msimoes@dialup-4.232.126.169.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) |
| 18:26.14 | tarzeau | JordiGH: please! postscript is nice, ok |
| 18:26.20 | *** join/#debian yogurt2ungue (n=yogurt2u@24-48-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 18:26.28 | tarzeau | JordiGH: but you don't edit them |
| 18:26.54 | tarzeau | JordiGH: it's a problem when you can't fix bugs and have no more access to the sources |
| 18:27.02 | tralala | And when I have a single ISP that doesn't ask for flash for their website to be viewed, they have me for a customer |
| 18:27.08 | tarzeau | JordiGH: so data that's not easily editable is a dead end |
| 18:27.12 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and PDF is exactly that |
| 18:27.15 | Charminthemoose | flame question:what's wrong with pdf and ps? |
| 18:27.27 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: very much. about ps, it's not free |
| 18:27.32 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: adobe fucked up big time |
| 18:27.55 | tarzeau | it was a chance to have display postscript everywhere, but adobe chose the money way |
| 18:28.09 | *** join/#debian LSorensen (n=lsorense@host121-240-static.106-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 18:28.21 | *** join/#debian Alakazamz0r (i=mike@cpe-72-177-236-10.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 18:28.26 | JordiGH | tarzeau: There's a different kind of editting necessary in scientific publications. The GFDL needn't apply to every text in existence. We really need to be able to typeset our mathematics prettily. While dvi can output pretty mathematics, it's not as dvi as its name may indicate, but pdf really *P*df. |
| 18:28.27 | *** join/#debian Alakazamz0r_ (i=mike@cpe-72-177-236-10.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 18:28.32 | *** join/#debian Alakazamz0r_ (i=mike@cpe-72-177-236-10.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 18:28.33 | PerfDave | Speaking as someone with some familiarity with the process involved in editing scientific journals, Microsoft Word is far more popular than PDF. |
| 18:28.40 | Charminthemoose | tarzeua:how did adobe fuck postscript up:? |
| 18:29.00 | JordiGH | PerfDave: Depends on the science. Not in mathematics or in engineering. |
| 18:29.05 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: they wanted licenses for usage |
| 18:29.21 | tarzeau | JordiGH: really, what you say is only half the truth |
| 18:29.25 | Ronin | the horror tarzeau, how dare they ;) |
| 18:29.28 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i also work in such an environment |
| 18:29.47 | Charminthemoose | !freedom |
| 18:29.47 | dpkg | methinks freedom is the ultimate virtue. Without freedom we are no better than any other animal. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. |
| 18:29.49 | *** part/#debian Detox (n=Detox@nc-71-50-131-203.dyn.embarqhsd.net) |
| 18:29.54 | tarzeau | Ronin: well, now we suffer of X, non efficient remote graphics technologies |
| 18:30.05 | Charminthemoose | !free |
| 18:30.06 | dpkg | i heard free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 18:30.15 | tarzeau | Ronin: really i don't care. if i want dps, i can use OPENSTEP. it's just all the poor yous... |
| 18:30.16 | Gnurdux | !iceweasel |
| 18:30.16 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 18:30.30 | tralala | !botabuse |
| 18:30.31 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 18:30.31 | JordiGH | !shut up |
| 18:30.31 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 18:30.34 | Gnurdux | i still don't get whether or not it will be a real fork... i hope not |
| 18:30.44 | *** join/#debian stefcio (n=chatzill@M960P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 18:30.53 | Gnurdux | i hope they will just redistribute with a different name |
| 18:30.57 | Gnurdux | each release |
| 18:31.03 | Gnurdux | rather than fully forking |
| 18:31.07 | x_link | tralala: I have a hdd fan on my 4.3GB hdd which Debian Testing is installed on, then I have a 40GB hdd. You think I should put the fan on the 40GB insted ? |
| 18:31.17 | stew | Gnurdux: in debian, it will not be a real fork at first. there is a real fork with the same name being done by gnu, at some point debian and gnu may join forces on their fork |
| 18:31.20 | Ronin | personally i see nothing wrong with licencing and paying for software, hell it still boggles my little mind somedays that things like linux and linux apps exist where folks code forever and dont' make any cash off that effort |
| 18:31.25 | PerfDave | Gnurdux: They'll be applying Debian-specific patches lik ethey do already. |
| 18:31.26 | x_link | Or maybe the 4.3GB hdd needs it more cause Debian is installed on it ? |
| 18:31.37 | tralala | x_link: I doubt it that your disks need any fans at all |
| 18:31.49 | tarzeau | Ronin: really i don't either, don't get me wrong |
| 18:31.59 | Gnurdux | stew, i think thats a really bad idea |
| 18:32.06 | stew | Gnurdux: a fork? |
| 18:32.11 | Gnurdux | a real fork |
| 18:32.22 | tralala | x_link: plus debian brings this warm fuzzy feeling only in your heart - it doesn't warm up the disks quite as much |
| 18:32.34 | *** join/#debian pingwin (n=pingwin@216.249.143.62) |
| 18:32.42 | x_link | tralala: Okey. So it's better to have it like I have it, on the 4.3GB hdd, right? |
| 18:32.48 | Gnurdux | dont we want compatibility with firefox on windows (as far as addons etc are concerned) and on other distros? |
| 18:33.02 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: no |
| 18:33.08 | Gnurdux | if they do a real fork i might seriously consider moving to another distro |
| 18:33.13 | tralala | x_link: if you ask me, you don't need it at all |
| 18:33.14 | JordiGH | Ronin: http://www.teak.cc/softfree/software-freedom.html |
| 18:33.15 | *** join/#debian dimir (n=vl@213.180.103.240) |
| 18:33.17 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: fork of firefork? |
| 18:33.19 | stew | Gnurdux: many others feel the same as you. if it ever does become more than a namechange in debian, its not likely for it to become a "deep" fork. more like a spork |
| 18:33.34 | Gnurdux | why don't you just move firefox to non-free? |
| 18:33.41 | Ronin | dont see me going through all that JordiGH :) |
| 18:33.42 | Gnurdux | then put in GNU iceweasel? |
| 18:33.47 | Gnurdux | that would work for everyone |
| 18:33.49 | x_link | tralala: Okey, Maybe I should put the fans against the CPU insted ? Cause I have a Slot1 CPU and it's big. Maybe it will make the CPU cooler ? |
| 18:33.58 | x_link | I have a picture of it if you want to see? |
| 18:34.12 | JordiGH | Ronin: The act of paying for software isn't what's problematic. The problem is that people seemingly can't commerce with software without putting silly restrictions on what can be done with the software that most people violate anyways. |
| 18:34.22 | stew | Gnurdux: becuase debian doesn't want to distribe software with security vulnerabilities and firefox doesn't want us to distribute firefox with the firefox name with our security patches |
| 18:34.37 | Gnurdux | true |
| 18:34.42 | *** join/#debian george_ (n=george@cpe-24-143-144-111.cable.alamedanet.net) |
| 18:34.44 | tralala | x_link: why are you so obsessed with these fans? Do you actually have any heat related problems or do you simply have some spare fans you don't know what to do with? |
| 18:34.48 | JordiGH | Ronin: And if you don't want to read it all, the print http://www.teak.cc/softfree/software-freedom.pdf and save it for a rainy day. |
| 18:34.48 | Gnurdux | firefox puts their own patches in tho don't they? |
| 18:34.59 | x_link | tralala: Second one =). |
| 18:35.06 | Gnurdux | well really doesn't matter to me if they dont actually fork it |
| 18:35.11 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: The problem is that according to Debian, Mozilla is taking too long to patch Firefox. |
| 18:35.16 | Ronin | JordiGH: gah, i have other things to read that size that interest me much more then the dry reading of software licensing heh |
| 18:35.30 | Gnurdux | hehe Debian should talk |
| 18:35.31 | george_ | how does one have postgresql backend enable its tcpip? |
| 18:35.34 | JordiGH | Ronin: It's not just about software licenses. It's also about free culture and free society. |
| 18:35.35 | stew | JordiGH: and they don't wan't to bother patching the older version which is found in debian stable |
| 18:36.00 | tralala | x_link: just put them in the drawer and let them wait for the time they will be needed :) |
| 18:36.04 | Charminthemoose | wouldn't the fsf's usage of the word free confuzzle new linux users?'It's free software?I have to pay for it?wtf?It's FREE SOFTWARE,i don't wanna pay for this..' |
| 18:36.18 | tralala | george_: by editing the realted config files |
| 18:36.24 | *** join/#debian nlight (n=nlight@85.187.173.156) |
| 18:36.24 | stew | Charminthemoose: do you have a better word? |
| 18:36.26 | pingwin | I'm running Linux kernel 2.4, I want to upgrade to 2.6 SMP. what is the best method to do that? |
| 18:36.32 | *** part/#debian bulio| (n=bulio|la@c207.134.3-90.clta.globetrotter.net) |
| 18:36.32 | x_link | tralala: hehe okey. |
| 18:36.34 | Gnurdux | well Charminthemoose most disztros that arent free as in beer also arent free as in freedom |
| 18:36.41 | stew | pingwin: in stabble? |
| 18:36.43 | stew | err stable |
| 18:36.43 | Gnurdux | because if they were, someone would upload them for free |
| 18:36.46 | JordiGH | Charminthemoose: Yes, that confusion happens all the time. Personally, sometimes I think that the FSF insists on using the word "free" just so that they can get an opportunity to emphasise how money isn't part of the issue. :-) |
| 18:36.52 | george_ | tralala: so there is not another way provided as some specific debian thing, like dpkg-reconfigure postgresql? |
| 18:36.53 | pingwin | stew yes |
| 18:36.53 | *** part/#debian myren (n=myren@63.231.83.177) |
| 18:36.57 | stew | pingwin: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 18:37.07 | Gnurdux | in fact most commercial distros, even if they are free as in beer, arent fully open source |
| 18:37.16 | Gnurdux | like mandriva (resists urge to vomit) |
| 18:37.21 | Gnurdux | tho they might be now |
| 18:37.25 | pingwin | stew thanks |
| 18:37.31 | JordiGH | Yeah. Suse distributes Acrobat reader. |
| 18:37.34 | stew | pingwin: for a dual p4 you would want your arch to be 686-smp, for athlon: k7-smp |
| 18:37.48 | tralala | x_link: save those trees, make this world a better place to live in! |
| 18:37.56 | Gnurdux | JordiGH, whats the point? |
| 18:38.01 | pingwin | stew awesome, thank you for your help =) |
| 18:38.07 | Gnurdux | GPDF is in soome ways even better |
| 18:38.09 | roxy_ | I got a lib: libgtkembedmoz.so.0d . What does the 0d stands for ? |
| 18:38.10 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: It's true, yes. Most distros aren't as committed to our radical commie software freedom ideas as Debian is. :-) |
| 18:38.20 | tralala | george_: not that I'm aware but you can always give it a try |
| 18:38.31 | Gnurdux | JordiGH, but debian IMO is a bit too committed |
| 18:38.33 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: I agree. I personally really like KDE's pdf tools. |
| 18:38.34 | george_ | !maint postgresql |
| 18:38.37 | x_link | tralala: LOL, which trees ? hehe |
| 18:38.40 | Charminthemoose | why has microsoft released the 'WRITE TO NTFS FILESYSTEMS' code for programmers?THey did it for FAT |
| 18:38.42 | Gnurdux | if i were to do it again i might use Gentoo |
| 18:38.43 | *** join/#debian efaistos_ (n=efaistos@m59.net81-66-147.noos.fr) |
| 18:38.45 | dpkg | postgresql: Martin Pitt <mpitt@debian.org> |
| 18:38.45 | Gnurdux | but i dont like compilign |
| 18:38.47 | Charminthemoose | *has not |
| 18:38.51 | Gnurdux | and i dont wanna redo the whole thing |
| 18:38.54 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: That's a strange comment, coming from someone named GNUrdux. ;-) |
| 18:38.59 | Charminthemoose | unless i'm being an idiot |
| 18:39.00 | tralala | x_link: the ones that die when you waste energy |
| 18:39.11 | Gnurdux | i would use arch but it has nowhere near the package selection of debian |
| 18:39.12 | *** part/#debian stefcio (n=chatzill@M960P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 18:39.28 | Gnurdux | JordiGH, true... thats more of a reference to liking GNU software then liking GNU itself |
| 18:39.33 | george_ | Charminthemoose: ask them :) |
| 18:39.36 | Gnurdux | i sort of like them, but they are nuts |
| 18:39.52 | Gnurdux | as far as Linux vs GNU/Linux i dont really care |
| 18:40.15 | Gnurdux | but like RMS's quotes on the SCO case where he says that linux isnt really needed anymore cause hurd works... |
| 18:40.18 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: We need our nuts, I think. |
| 18:40.25 | Gnurdux | HURD can't even run all GNU software |
| 18:40.35 | x_link | tralala: Ahaa, hehe sure. |
| 18:40.35 | Gnurdux | and a lot of newer software only works on linux |
| 18:40.41 | x_link | I don't use alot of energy actually. |
| 18:40.46 | Gnurdux | thats why the bSDs have to port it |
| 18:40.55 | Gnurdux | JordiGH, nuts can be useful |
| 18:41.07 | x_link | Is Debian Testing not stable ? |
| 18:41.09 | Gnurdux | and torvalds isnt a nut, but i don't like him too much |
| 18:41.16 | Ronin | x_link: stableish |
| 18:41.20 | Gnurdux | x_link, its more stable than most distro's stables |
| 18:41.24 | x_link | Okey |
| 18:41.37 | x_link | Cause a guy here told me that I was brave cause I was using Debian Testing. |
| 18:41.38 | Gnurdux | debian is superconservative |
| 18:41.39 | PerfDave | x_link: Define "stable". It's varying still, but unlikely to fall over. See http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 18:41.44 | x_link | He said that they crash "alot" |
| 18:41.45 | JordiGH | x_link: It's scheduled to become stable in December. Here's hoping! |
| 18:41.51 | Gnurdux | x_link, you'd be nuts to use debian stable |
| 18:41.55 | Coweater | debian's testing can be stable, it can also be quite broken |
| 18:41.57 | Gnurdux | stable is always really old |
| 18:42.00 | x_link | Gnurdux: Okey. |
| 18:42.01 | PerfDave | Gnurdux: There's nothing wrong with Debian stable. |
| 18:42.04 | Gnurdux | it breaks every once in a while |
| 18:42.05 | x_link | So I can be calm ? |
| 18:42.14 | tralala | bul*cough*shit*cough* |
| 18:42.21 | JordiGH | x_link: I use testing and even parts of unstable without major breakage. |
| 18:42.24 | Gnurdux | generally, if apt-get tries to remove all your software you wait a couple days |
| 18:42.29 | x_link | So Debian Testing is alright for me. |
| 18:42.30 | Gnurdux | and then its fixed |
| 18:42.35 | *** join/#debian warex (n=degyves@148.204.45.3) |
| 18:42.37 | Gnurdux | i've never had a problem worse than that |
| 18:42.40 | JordiGH | x_link: Occasional problems, but I have been able to deal with most of them so far. |
| 18:42.42 | PerfDave | x_link: If you're a newcomer to Debian, you probably want to start with Sarge, the current stable release. That way you won't have to fight bugs while you get used to the system. |
| 18:42.45 | george_ | Gnurdux: conclusion: you're not running stable :) |
| 18:42.46 | tralala | x_link: if you want software that just works (or at least as close to just works as it could get) use debian _stable_ |
| 18:42.48 | Gnurdux | unstable is a bit more iffy |
| 18:42.52 | *** join/#debian zerobuster (n=zerobust@cm238-138.liwest.at) |
| 18:43.03 | PerfDave | Life was much more fun back in those days |
| 18:43.07 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: Use aptitude. It's smarter than apt-get about trying to remove all of your software. |
| 18:43.08 | rgsteele | Anyone know if there's a Mozilla or Thunderbird channel? |
| 18:43.13 | PerfDave | "Oh crap, libc shat itself and I can't boot anything!" |
| 18:43.13 | Gnurdux | but x_link unstable never has the newest versions of stuff |
| 18:43.14 | LordBrain | is there a problem with tetex-base in etc? |
| 18:43.15 | george_ | it can range from a bit iffy to a BIG NO DICE BUDDY |
| 18:43.15 | Gnurdux | *stable |
| 18:43.18 | LordBrain | etch |
| 18:43.18 | Gnurdux | not unstable |
| 18:43.18 | PerfDave | rgsteele: /msg chanserv help |
| 18:43.30 | JordiGH | LordBrain: Problem? |
| 18:43.36 | Gnurdux | stable software is often a few releases behind even right after a release |
| 18:43.44 | Gnurdux | and they only release once every 18 months or so |
| 18:43.47 | JordiGH | LordBrain: tetex has lost its upstream support. That's a problem. :-/ |
| 18:43.50 | warex | im burning my 20 cd set of etch. Is there an easy way to verify if all of these are well burn? (e.g. check its MD5 directly)? |
| 18:43.52 | x_link | Gnurdux: Okey. |
| 18:43.59 | Gnurdux | warex, why burn all 20 cds? |
| 18:44.04 | LordBrain | oh/ |
| 18:44.04 | Gnurdux | netinstall is much simpler |
| 18:44.04 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: If etch releases in time, it'll only be about a year! :D |
| 18:44.07 | pelzi_ | 20 cds... |
| 18:44.08 | x_link | Well, I'm still a newbie and I'm still learning. SO I just want something that works okey. |
| 18:44.14 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@cable-24-139-12-18.kapuskasing.dyn.personainc.net) |
| 18:44.15 | warex | Gnurdux: because i have not network |
| 18:44.20 | george_ | Gnurdux: stable is a snapshot in time, debian tests their software a lot... so that you can build whatever you want |
| 18:44.23 | x_link | To be honest, which distro is best for newbies ? |
| 18:44.24 | Gnurdux | and now they have a 10mb CD with a graphical installer and auto-download |
| 18:44.27 | pelzi_ | it'll take so long they'll be obsolete when the burn is finished ;) |
| 18:44.32 | warex | x_link: windows |
| 18:44.37 | LordBrain | lol |
| 18:44.37 | sprink | x_link, probably ubuntu |
| 18:44.38 | warex | :D |
| 18:44.38 | x_link | warex: hehe. |
| 18:44.40 | Gnurdux | x_link: ubuntu is like debian |
| 18:44.42 | JordiGH | x_link: I'm gonna be flamed, but Ubuntu is probably better for newbies. I personally used Debian itself as a newbie, but that's because I'm hardcore. |
| 18:44.43 | Gnurdux | but more newbish |
| 18:44.48 | Gnurdux | and pretty similar |
| 18:44.49 | LordBrain | x_link: try one of the ubuntu flavors |
| 18:44.52 | Gnurdux | and everything just works |
| 18:44.54 | x_link | sprink: Okey. I didn't like Ubuntu at all, rather Kubuntu. Cause I'm not a GNOME fan. |
| 18:44.56 | pelzi_ | I preferred debian always |
| 18:45.01 | tralala | people who bitch about not having the latest software usually don't use their computers for any work |
| 18:45.02 | Gnurdux | its debian-based |
| 18:45.18 | Gnurdux | and it releases about every six months |
| 18:45.22 | PerfDave | x_link: In my experience, Debian works better out of the box than Ubuntu, though Ubuntu is more polished when it does work. And Debian's *much* easier to get help with when it doesn't work. |
| 18:45.23 | Gnurdux | so thats probably a good choice |
| 18:45.37 | pelzi_ | and ubuntu is more broken than unstable |
| 18:45.40 | x_link | PerfDave: Okey. |
| 18:45.48 | PerfDave | x_link: But really, try both, see what works for you. |
| 18:45.50 | pelzi_ | besides, ubuntu users... |
| 18:45.53 | Gnurdux | x_link: ubuntu is easier to install possibly |
| 18:45.56 | x_link | I don't understand this Stable, Unstalbe, testing |
| 18:45.59 | PerfDave | x_link: Just don't come asking for help with Ubuntu on #debian |
| 18:45.59 | Gnurdux | but i would recommend debian testing |
| 18:46.00 | *** join/#debian wishkah (n=flo@e178252090.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:46.09 | x_link | I like Debian.... |
| 18:46.11 | JordiGH | I just use Debian because the mathematical software usually gets added first to Debian unstable before it sees Ubuntu. Also, some things about Ubuntu I don't personally like, like its colour. I miss its naked people, though. We need more naked people! |
| 18:46.12 | Gnurdux | basically in my opinion, testing is fairly good at most things |
| 18:46.16 | Gnurdux | almost always works |
| 18:46.17 | warex | I'm gonna install deb on a computer that has not network, so I need the 20-cd set, is there a way to check the md5 of each burnt cd? |
| 18:46.24 | x_link | The thing is that I wouldn't notice any difference as long as it has KDE. lol |
| 18:46.25 | wishkah | something keeps resetting my libGL links (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1) to something I don't want, what could that be? |
| 18:46.30 | Gnurdux | JordiGH, naked people? |
| 18:46.36 | Gnurdux | also: what sort of mathematical software |
| 18:46.43 | tralala | x_link: when you consider ubuntu just hang around here for a while to see the number of ubuntu users that ask questions here because nobody in #ubuntu knows... |
| 18:46.43 | x_link | I just see the "screen" I don't understand the differences between the distros. |
| 18:46.53 | *** join/#debian muh2000 (n=muh2000@p57A5AA84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:46.55 | x_link | Okey. |
| 18:47.06 | Gnurdux | is there any sort of open source thing like Mathematica (my dad is a physicist and he uses it; its really cool; his university has a site license but i think it doesnt include the linux version) |
| 18:47.07 | PerfDave | x_link: Debian Stable has older versions of software, but is pretty damn solid. Debian Testing is the beta version of the next stable release, so it has newer software but a few minor bugs. Debian Unstable is the cutting-edge release which gets rapid updates and hsa more bugs, but still not all that many. |
| 18:47.07 | LordBrain | x_link: go stable first, and then if you are running a desktop, you might want to go to testing as stable gets very old |
| 18:47.08 | x_link | I will stick with Debian, maybe one day I will try Kubuntu again, I tried the LIVe cd. |
| 18:47.09 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: Yes! Ubuntu used to have naked people! :D And I use Octave, Maxima, gsl, gnuplot, octaviz, VTK, libnoise, etc. |
| 18:47.34 | Gnurdux | x_link, why dont you try the newish etch graphical installer? |
| 18:47.42 | Gnurdux | its on like a 10mb cd |
| 18:47.43 | x_link | Gnurdux: What is that ? |
| 18:47.45 | LordBrain | i used debian as my first distro, but i'm also kinda in the hardcore category |
| 18:47.50 | Gnurdux | needs internet access |
| 18:47.53 | Gnurdux | lemme find the link |
| 18:47.56 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: In my experience, people who use Mathematica are as crazy as Wolfram himself and will refuse to use anything else, but you can try suggesting Sage to your dad. Depends what he uses it for, though. |
| 18:48.07 | *** join/#debian Feax-Crysis (n=Feax@AAmiens-152-1-19-244.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:48.09 | Gnurdux | JordiGH, this is more for me to play with |
| 18:48.19 | Gnurdux | physicists all use mathematica pretty much |
| 18:48.24 | PerfDave | x_link: What sort of Internet connection do you have? I'd advise downloading at least the first full CD of whichever Debian release you choose to install, it's much less frustrating especially if you need to reinstall. |
| 18:48.24 | x_link | What am I wrong with starting out with Debian ? |
| 18:48.30 | Gnurdux | JordiGH, is it as good as mathematica |
| 18:48.33 | Gnurdux | x_link, nope |
| 18:48.36 | Gnurdux | its a good idea |
| 18:48.38 | george_ | x_link: no, you can do anything you want |
| 18:48.38 | Gnurdux | IMO |
| 18:48.40 | wishkah | something in my debian system keeps changing symlinks in my /usr/lib/ directory (libGL.so.1 to libGL.so.1.2.old instead of libGL.so.1.2.NVIDIAVERSION) |
| 18:48.43 | x_link | PerfDave: 8Mbit/1Mbit |
| 18:48.44 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: "Good" is subjective. Good for what? |
| 18:48.47 | amphi | x_link: you're not wrong; it saves you having to switch later ;) |
| 18:48.48 | PerfDave | There's nothing wrong with starting out with Debian. I didn't, but I wish I had - starting out with RH5 put me off GNU/Linux for years. |
| 18:48.57 | wishkah | what is doing that? |
| 18:48.58 | x_link | amphi: hehe okey. |
| 18:49.01 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: *I* like it better than Mathematica, but that's just me. |
| 18:49.12 | Gnurdux | x_link, http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/gtk-miniiso/mini.iso |
| 18:49.12 | PerfDave | wishkah: Did you use the binary installer script from nVidia's website? |
| 18:49.15 | *** join/#debian One (n=Ederson@200.143.139.18) |
| 18:49.17 | x_link | Gnurdux: But what is that ? |
| 18:49.21 | george_ | x_link: one thing is you might evaluate your own ability (and desire!) to solve your own problems |
| 18:49.25 | Gnurdux | JordiGH, does it have as much support for different functions |
| 18:49.27 | wishkah | PerfDave: had to, wouldn't work any other way |
| 18:49.27 | JordiGH | x_link: I started out with Debian, and I salute you for doing the same. :-) |
| 18:49.30 | Gnurdux | x_link, its a 10.7mb CD |
| 18:49.32 | *** join/#debian ptlis (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 18:49.35 | PerfDave | wishkah: That's why it's breaking now then. |
| 18:49.39 | LordBrain | x_link: yeah you're not wrong, just dont get discouraged if say you need to do some tweaking to get x working... |
| 18:49.46 | Gnurdux | which has a GUI installer, and downloads everything from the internet |
| 18:49.54 | wishkah | PerfDave: well, I just want whatever is changing my symlinks to stop doing that, that must be possible |
| 18:49.55 | x_link | LordBrain: he |
| 18:50.11 | PerfDave | wishkah: Sure, stop installing and upgrading packages. |
| 18:50.41 | george_ | wishkah: where are "your symlinks" located in your fs? |
| 18:50.41 | x_link | Gnurdux: Sorry mate, but I don't understand what that .iso file is ? |
| 18:50.41 | wishkah | PerfDave: changing packages unrelated to libGL shouldn't affect the libGL symlinks, but I think it gets changed then too |
| 18:50.49 | pelzi_ | nvidia binary stuff is not supported here... the debs are a better choice |
| 18:50.50 | x_link | What does it do ? |
| 18:50.50 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: Just browse the webpage, will ya? Sage has a shitload of functionality, much of it not in Mathematica, but Mathematica also has stuff not in Sage. http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ |
| 18:50.52 | wishkah | george_ /usr/lib/libGL.so* |
| 18:51.04 | george_ | that place is owned by a debian package |
| 18:51.14 | *** join/#debian merlin65537 (n=mike@p5085E968.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:51.17 | PerfDave | x_link: An ISO file is a CD image. You download it and burn it with your CD burning software, and then you can boot off that CD to install Debian Testing over the Internet. |
| 18:51.24 | *** join/#debian Ether_Man (i=Daniel@h104n2fls302o1095.telia.com) |
| 18:51.30 | george_ | if you put stuff there, expect it to get overwritten :) |
| 18:51.35 | LordBrain | i'd download the iso using bittorrent if possible, i've found I get the best speeds that way |
| 18:51.46 | wishkah | george_: okay, but the debian package didn't work, so I had to use the nvidia installer. now I want debian to stop changing that custom stuff, there really is no way to do that? |
| 18:51.47 | pelzi_ | just get a good mirror |
| 18:51.54 | *** part/#debian One (n=Ederson@200.143.139.18) |
| 18:51.57 | pelzi_ | at least the ones here saturate 100mbps connections |
| 18:51.59 | x_link | PerfDave: Okey. But I already have Debian Testing on a cd. |
| 18:51.59 | tralala | LordBrain: have you ever used jigdo and a local mirror? |
| 18:52.03 | amphi | PerfDave: he has testing installed |
| 18:52.06 | LordBrain | tralala: no |
| 18:52.12 | x_link | So that is the Debian Testing Live CD ? |
| 18:52.17 | george_ | wishkah: you could put the lib in a different place and add it to ld.so.conf |
| 18:52.23 | PerfDave | x_link: Then you don't need the ISO file that Gnurdux is trying to get you to use :) |
| 18:52.24 | LordBrain | tralala: scratch that, yes probably |
| 18:52.26 | JordiGH | x_link: No, Debian has no livecd. |
| 18:52.27 | PerfDave | x_link: Debian doesn't have a live CD |
| 18:52.31 | LordBrain | tralala: its been a while tho |
| 18:52.33 | PerfDave | x_link: Just an installer |
| 18:52.37 | tralala | LordBrain: I would expect it to be faster than torrent |
| 18:52.47 | LordBrain | tralala: for the iso/ |
| 18:52.47 | LordBrain | ? |
| 18:52.51 | tralala | yep |
| 18:52.55 | PerfDave | jigdo / jigit is faster than bittorrent for creating Debian ISOs |
| 18:53.05 | *** join/#debian caplink811-log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-129-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:53.07 | hardlined | I have a broken pacakge, besides removing the binaries and such where do I delete it out of apt-get/dpkg's "memory"? |
| 18:53.11 | wishkah | george_: putting all libGL.so* files into /usr/lib/nvidia, then adding that to /etc/ld.so.conf and running ld-update would work? |
| 18:53.11 | x_link | Okey. |
| 18:53.14 | LordBrain | oh yes thats the way i used to do it, its been a long time |
| 18:53.18 | pelzi_ | well, depending on the mirror. |
| 18:53.18 | *** part/#debian merlin65537 (n=mike@p5085E968.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:53.20 | x_link | Then I don't need it, cause I already have it on CD: |
| 18:53.22 | *** join/#debian new_here (n=user@httpcafe.static.otenet.gr) |
| 18:53.25 | new_here | hi all |
| 18:53.25 | *** join/#debian meffs (n=meff@adsl-70-135-89-221.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:53.26 | *** join/#debian hydrox (n=hydrox@host81-153-121-134.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) |
| 18:53.29 | LordBrain | i'm skeptical tho, has anyone compared really? |
| 18:53.33 | x_link | Gnurdux: But thanks ALOT anyway, I appreciate it =) |
| 18:53.37 | LordBrain | maybe it depends on your bandwidth |
| 18:53.38 | PerfDave | LordBrain: Yes |
| 18:53.43 | new_here | need some help with weird ethernet problem (lots of rx errors, lots of tx overruns). can anyone please help? |
| 18:53.56 | george_ | wishkah: ldconfig -v maybe, I dunno what is ld-update |
| 18:54.00 | *** join/#debian zinx (n=zinx@unaffiliated/zinx) |
| 18:54.01 | *** join/#debian helfrez (i=helfrez@nat/ibm/x-cd4aaf628c9bbc9f) |
| 18:54.17 | pelzi_ | well, as I said, http debian mirrors here saturate a 100mbps pipe |
| 18:54.20 | tralala | I have a set of 2 sarge DVD's downloaded by jigdo. But the best thing about jigdo is that I can "upgrade" these DVDs by only downloading the new packages |
| 18:54.21 | Gnurdux | and installs testing |
| 18:54.21 | Gnurdux | debian is a nice distro, but its run by crazy people |
| 18:54.22 | Gnurdux | who have lots of rules, which are unfortunately followed |
| 18:54.26 | Gnurdux | on the other hand, some important devs actually hang out here and will talk to you |
| 18:54.36 | *** join/#debian Braindead (n=braindea@81-208-60-194.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 18:54.38 | Gnurdux | uh oh |
| 18:54.59 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: Are you from the US? |
| 18:55.04 | pelzi_ | debian rules are a good thing, if you do not like them do not use it |
| 18:55.06 | Gnurdux | whoa |
| 18:55.08 | Gnurdux | a lot of stuff all showed up at the same time |
| 18:55.12 | Gnurdux | my internet was down for a min |
| 18:55.16 | Gnurdux | x_link, thats a CD image |
| 18:55.18 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 18:55.20 | wishkah | george_: sorry, that's what I meant. trying that now |
| 18:55.20 | Gnurdux | x_link, do you have a CD burner? |
| 18:55.23 | Feax-Crysis | Can I have an internet connection from wifi with debian ? |
| 18:55.25 | x_link | Gnurdux: Yes. |
| 18:55.26 | Gnurdux | pelzi_, i dont like em but debian is worth it |
| 18:55.39 | Gnurdux | x_link, do you have CD burning software, or just the stuff that comes with winshit |
| 18:55.41 | tralala | Gnurdux: you're weird |
| 18:55.41 | thelostbutler | feax-crysis: yes you can |
| 18:55.42 | amphi | Feax-Crysis: maybe, depending on the card |
| 18:55.54 | Feax-Crysis | and is it hard to make that work,? |
| 18:55.56 | *** join/#debian ninjak (n=ninjak@adsl-ull-22-129.41-151.net24.it) |
| 18:56.00 | thelostbutler | feax-crysis: what's the wireless chipset that you have |
| 18:56.00 | LordBrain | hmmmm i dont know any debian rules that i object to... |
| 18:56.05 | amphi | Feax-Crysis: maybe, depending on the card |
| 18:56.06 | x_link | Gnurdux: I haven't downloaded an cd burning program. |
| 18:56.12 | x_link | But doesn it come with Debian? |
| 18:56.21 | pelzi_ | The rules are the whole point. |
| 18:56.22 | Feax-Crysis | 802.11 b/g |
| 18:56.23 | Gnurdux | x_link, that CD is just the installer |
| 18:56.25 | amphi | x_link: apt-get install cdrecord |
| 18:56.29 | Gnurdux | it downloads all the sutff from the internet |
| 18:56.33 | Gnurdux | do you already have debian? |
| 18:56.39 | karsten | x_link: I suspect the question is aimed at your getting the Debian installer disk on your system from Windows. |
| 18:56.40 | x_link | Gnurdux: yes |
| 18:56.41 | amphi | Feax-Crysis: what does lspci say about it? |
| 18:56.42 | Charminthemoose | pelzi_:what rules do you speak of? |
| 18:56.44 | *** join/#debian Illarane|Laptop (n=heifer@pdpc/supporter/student/Veratien) |
| 18:56.44 | JordiGH | x_link: The Debian installation pages recommend a few cd burning apps, but Debian itself doesn't provide one by default. |
| 18:56.44 | LordBrain | x_link: do you ahve a linux distro installed? |
| 18:56.45 | tralala | LordBrain: many seem to think that debian should release every month or so and they object the release policy |
| 18:56.45 | Gnurdux | x_link, stable or testing? |
| 18:56.52 | pelzi_ | Debian Policy |
| 18:56.58 | Feax-Crysis | amphi: debian isnt installed yet |
| 18:56.59 | thelostbutler | feax-crysis: no , look for something like this in lspci 02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 18:57.04 | x_link | LordBrain: I'm using Debian testing |
| 18:57.09 | pelzi_ | Free software, etc. |
| 18:57.12 | Gnurdux | x_link, ok then you dont need that |
| 18:57.14 | x_link | I have been telling you guys that all the time |
| 18:57.14 | x_link | hehe |
| 18:57.17 | Gnurdux | ahh |
| 18:57.21 | Gnurdux | well testing rocks |
| 18:57.21 | amphi | Feax-Crysis: do you know what it is? |
| 18:57.22 | *** join/#debian joeljkp (n=joeljkp@ws168-49.walker.dynamic.msstate.edu) |
| 18:57.23 | x_link | lol =) |
| 18:57.24 | karsten | tralala: Oddly enough my system releases every day ;-) |
| 18:57.26 | Gnurdux | talking about that its UPDATE TIME] |
| 18:57.27 | x_link | Gnurdux: Okey |
| 18:57.34 | LordBrain | x_link: oh, good... me too |
| 18:57.35 | Feax-Crysis | Intel pro/wireless 2200BG network connection is my wifi card integred on the mobo of my laptop |
| 18:57.45 | x_link | LordBrain: You too ? |
| 18:57.48 | tralala | karsten: meh, another crazy sid user! ;) |
| 18:57.51 | LordBrain | yeah |
| 18:57.52 | x_link | apt-get clean ? |
| 18:58.00 | x_link | I just did apt-get upgrade then apt-get update |
| 18:58.10 | amphi | x_link: man apt-get ;) |
| 18:58.10 | x_link | So I must do apt-get clean as well ? |
| 18:58.11 | Gnurdux | x_link, you mean the other way around |
| 18:58.13 | george_ | x_link: that's backwards :) |
| 18:58.14 | pelzi_ | clean isn't that smart :P |
| 18:58.21 | Gnurdux | otherwise it stores all your old packages |
| 18:58.23 | *** join/#debian floe (n=konversa@i577B1481.versanet.de) |
| 18:58.25 | x_link | What is backwards ? |
| 18:58.25 | Gnurdux | and clogs up harddisk |
| 18:58.25 | LordBrain | x_link: you dont have to... it makes room on the disk drive |
| 18:58.27 | stew | autoclean is more appropriate for cron |
| 18:58.31 | george_ | it removes downloaded packages |
| 18:58.36 | Gnurdux | x_link, you do apt-get update first |
| 18:58.39 | Gnurdux | then apt-get upgrade |
| 18:58.41 | x_link | Okey. |
| 18:58.43 | Gnurdux | i usually do dist-upgrade |
| 18:58.47 | x_link | I have done it the other way around =/ |
| 18:58.50 | pelzi_ | I rsync the debs from one machine to another |
| 18:58.53 | stew | dist-upgrade is a horrible idea for cron |
| 18:59.00 | pelzi_ | any upgrade is |
| 18:59.00 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 18:59.03 | Gnurdux | thats not in cron |
| 18:59.04 | george_ | upgrade isn't really recommended without knowing what you're doing |
| 18:59.06 | x_link | Gnurdux: I heard that it's not good to do apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 18:59.10 | Gnurdux | only update and clean |
| 18:59.14 | Althaser | can I edit the debian menu using menu-xdg ? please |
| 18:59.16 | Gnurdux | x_link, it can break stuff |
| 18:59.19 | x_link | Yeah |
| 18:59.20 | george_ | x_link: not from cron :) |
| 18:59.22 | pelzi_ | even update needs some thinking. |
| 18:59.22 | Gnurdux | you have to look at whats it doing |
| 18:59.30 | stew | x_link: its fine as long as you are actually paying attention to exactly what it is doing |
| 18:59.34 | Gnurdux | see hwat packages it wants to remove etc |
| 18:59.43 | JordiGH | Cool! An advisor of mine was at SAGE days 2! :D |
| 18:59.46 | *** join/#debian bizinichi (n=rawr@ANice-256-1-16-171.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:00.02 | thelostbutler | feax: http://www.intel.com/support/notebook/sb/cs-006408.htm for the drivers. install debian and compile this driver and use it |
| 19:00.31 | new_here | need some help with weird ethernet problem (lots of rx errors, lots of tx overruns). can anyone please help? |
| 19:00.43 | x_link | stew: Okey. |
| 19:00.51 | valdyn | new_here: fix your cable |
| 19:00.53 | *** join/#debian Blissex (n=Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 19:00.54 | x_link | You guys think I ask to many/much questions ? |
| 19:00.59 | pelzi_ | debian contains an ipw2200 driver afaik |
| 19:01.00 | x_link | Be honest please. |
| 19:01.04 | valdyn | x_link: now you do |
| 19:01.05 | pelzi_ | but not firmware. |
| 19:01.07 | JordiGH | x_link: No. |
| 19:01.08 | tralala | When I came from RH9 to debian I've already been pretty pissed off at RH for dropping a few programmes that I was using in an earlier release. Another major pain was to install software not in the distro. I hate compiling software. |
| 19:01.13 | *** join/#debian jade (n=Bob@unaffiliated/dogmeat) |
| 19:01.18 | valdyn | x_link: but as long as its on topic.. ask |
| 19:01.23 | JordiGH | !wayc tralala |
| 19:01.23 | dpkg | tralala: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 19:01.24 | JordiGH | ;-) |
| 19:01.27 | x_link | valdyn: Okey. |
| 19:01.30 | thelostbutler | tralala: which softwares did they drop |
| 19:01.42 | x_link | I will keep the questions down then. |
| 19:01.45 | new_here | valdyn, is it cable related? are you sure? can it be anything else? |
| 19:01.45 | *** join/#debian mxFonseca (n=irc@c90c8359.cps.virtua.com.br) |
| 19:01.48 | tralala | JordiGH: I'm not any more :) (well almost not) |
| 19:01.55 | pelzi_ | new_here: bad switch |
| 19:01.56 | vin` | !greetings |
| 19:01.56 | dpkg | hello, vin` |
| 19:02.02 | pelzi_ | new_here: bad net card, bad driver |
| 19:02.02 | jade | if uid foo belongs to group www-data, can user foo chgrp www-data myfile.txt ? |
| 19:02.03 | stew | takatumi! |
| 19:02.04 | valdyn | new_here: exchanging the cable should be pretty easy |
| 19:02.08 | *** part/#debian mxFonseca (n=irc@c90c8359.cps.virtua.com.br) |
| 19:02.14 | vin` | stew: :P |
| 19:02.27 | valdyn | new_here: so there's not much point in searching for a different error till you did that |
| 19:02.35 | pelzi_ | true. |
| 19:02.46 | valdyn | x_link: no, dont keep your questions down, just dont ask to ask or ask if you are asking to much |
| 19:02.48 | tralala | thelostbutler: it was too long ago to remember the exact name but it was a dialup tool |
| 19:02.53 | pelzi_ | stupid to not eliminate starting from the simplest possible error |
| 19:03.09 | x_link | valdyn: Okey. |
| 19:03.11 | x_link | Sorry. |
| 19:03.15 | pelzi_ | dialup...nostalgia :) |
| 19:03.17 | george_ | can we ask if someone else is asking too much? :) |
| 19:03.24 | tralala | pelzi_: not really :) |
| 19:03.24 | new_here | valdyn, pelzi: well i have two intel gbits one connects to a linksys router and the other to a planet gbit switch with cables no more than 6 feet long. i have problems with both ;-( |
| 19:03.43 | pelzi_ | new_here: then it is the nics/drivers |
| 19:03.45 | stew | new_here: if they are less than 6 feet long that could very likely be the problem |
| 19:03.46 | karsten | jade: No, only root can chgrp/chown. |
| 19:03.52 | *** join/#debian holycow (n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 19:03.57 | jade | karsten, thanks |
| 19:04.06 | stew | new_here: ethernet cables should be a minimum of 2 meters between active nodes |
| 19:04.07 | pelzi_ | or cheap cables. |
| 19:04.12 | new_here | stew, huh? really? why? /me puzzled |
| 19:04.15 | pelzi_ | nope. |
| 19:04.18 | pingwin | why is it when I try to install linux-image-2.6.16-2 it wants to install lilo as well? I already have and only want grub |
| 19:04.37 | Gnurdux | why is ftp.debian.org being slow? |
| 19:04.38 | Charminthemoose | What is the point of compiling software?is it that windblows is generally stable in it's FS structure or what? |
| 19:04.41 | pelzi_ | I have used 3cm ethernet cables. |
| 19:04.42 | stew | new_here: yes. its common to get errors if your cables are too short |
| 19:04.55 | vin` | pingwin: should be a bug. |
| 19:04.58 | valdyn | Charminthemoose: not much point |
| 19:05.00 | new_here | stew, amazing i didn't know that... |
| 19:05.08 | pelzi_ | I've never heard that |
| 19:05.12 | PerfDave | Charminthemoose: There's generally very little point, provided your system has the right ABI for the software you want to use. The LSB helps with that. |
| 19:05.16 | pelzi_ | more probably the cables are not up to gigabit |
| 19:05.25 | new_here | stew, pelzi: the truth is i have seen lots of cables than 2 metres long working in the past... |
| 19:05.26 | george_ | stew: that would seem to be a symptom of improper signal line termination |
| 19:05.28 | *** join/#debian talisein (n=talisein@c-67-160-253-166.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:05.40 | tralala | pingwin: do you have the debian grub package installed? |
| 19:05.40 | *** join/#debian Se-chan (n=hrrm@81-235-210-157-no62.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 19:05.47 | pingwin | tralala yep |
| 19:05.51 | *** join/#debian Fitzz (i=greatmal@shell.evtek.fi) |
| 19:05.54 | *** join/#debian sepski (n=sep@217.17.211.51) |
| 19:05.57 | tralala | pingwin: and you run sid or etch? |
| 19:05.58 | *** join/#debian sepski_ (n=sep@217.17.211.51) |
| 19:06.00 | pingwin | i installed 2.6.15 w/o any problem and w/o any lilo |
| 19:06.01 | pelzi_ | I've had a 3cm cable scp 9megabytes per sec. |
| 19:06.05 | *** join/#debian lunitik (n=lunitik@unaffiliated/lunitik) |
| 19:06.09 | stew | i have seen several people that have had problems with motorola cable modems that come with 4 foot cables that don't have problems with 6 foot cables |
| 19:06.10 | pelzi_ | +' ' |
| 19:06.11 | pingwin | sid or etch? ummm sarge |
| 19:06.20 | pelzi_ | stew: bad modem, not cable |
| 19:06.24 | pingwin | <-- linux guru, new to debian tho |
| 19:06.26 | Charminthemoose | PerfDave:ABI/LSB??? |
| 19:06.29 | *** join/#debian SubStack (i=substack@49-134.wireless.uaf.edu) |
| 19:06.37 | pelzi_ | stew: certain Ethernet chipsets had bugs with short cables |
| 19:06.39 | valdyn | Charminthemoose: but since free software provides the source ( obviously ), it has the freedom to require a recompile at times |
| 19:06.41 | tralala | pingwin: bah, sarge doesn't have 2.6.16 |
| 19:06.45 | pelzi_ | stew: it is still not a global truth |
| 19:06.54 | pingwin | tralala but it has 2.6.15? |
| 19:06.55 | pingwin | :P |
| 19:06.57 | stew | pelzi_: i'll look up the spec |
| 19:07.04 | tralala | pingwin: nope, it has 2.6.8 |
| 19:07.15 | PerfDave | Charminthemoose: Application Binary Interface, the interface between compiled programs and libraries. The LSB is the Linux Standard Base, which attempts to define standard ABIs across distributions to encourage software compatiability. |
| 19:07.15 | pingwin | tralala i just installed 2.6.15 |
| 19:07.16 | george_ | not in it, no... sarge released with 2.6.8 |
| 19:07.17 | tralala | and 2.4.27 or so |
| 19:07.24 | pingwin | sorry to burst your bubble |
| 19:07.31 | george_ | but you can install later if you do certain things |
| 19:07.33 | new_here | valdy, stew, pelzi: yeah but i have the same problem with both the router and the switch.... a 2.6.18 between and two identical intel gbits |
| 19:07.37 | abrotman | official sarge has 2.6.8 |
| 19:07.43 | stew | new_here: just try a longer cable if you have one |
| 19:07.43 | pelzi_ | stew: it'd be unacceptable in racks to have long cables, and 30cm cables are widely used without problems |
| 19:07.50 | Charminthemoose | thanks PerfDave |
| 19:07.50 | tralala | pingwin: from where? |
| 19:07.56 | Charminthemoose | You have enlightened me |
| 19:08.06 | valdyn | new_here: run mii-tool on both, paste the output ( dont paste here ) |
| 19:08.09 | pingwin | tralala ftp.us.debian.org |
| 19:08.22 | PerfDave | Etch being LSB 3.1-compliant will help encourage application vendors like Oracle to support it. |
| 19:08.23 | new_here | valdy, stew, pelzi: when i ifconfig it says "10Mb Ethernet" and i got lots of rx errors and _no packets what-so-ever_ in tx, but lots of overruns _only_ |
| 19:08.26 | tralala | pingwin: you are *not* running sarge |
| 19:08.29 | pingwin | tralala sorry the image/sources are coming from backports.org |
| 19:08.34 | new_here | valdyn: private? |
| 19:08.40 | valdyn | new_here: no |
| 19:08.40 | karsten | jade: The usual shuffle is for a user with write access to the file and directory to copy the file to a new file, remove the old, rename the new. |
| 19:08.41 | valdyn | !paste |
| 19:08.41 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 19:08.41 | pelzi_ | !paste |
| 19:08.42 | tralala | oh, that's another story |
| 19:08.45 | george_ | pingwin: bubblebursting notwithstanding, it's possible to do what you have done, but not within the confines of what is in the actual official release |
| 19:08.48 | *** join/#debian Angel_SL (n=angelsl@cm69.sigma13.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 19:08.54 | george_ | you've gone outside that box |
| 19:09.01 | PerfDave | What kernel does Debian Sarge amd64 use? |
| 19:09.06 | *** part/#debian Angel_SL (n=angelsl@cm69.sigma13.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 19:09.07 | PerfDave | (2.6 default) |
| 19:09.13 | karsten | jade: Reason goes back to shared systems with quotas. User ability to chown/chgrp meant you could allocate your large files to someone else. |
| 19:09.15 | new_here | pelzi, valdyn: wait, let me check this out |
| 19:09.16 | *** join/#debian Angel-SL (n=angelsl@pdpc/supporter/student/Angel-SL) |
| 19:09.17 | george_ | does sarge even have that arch? |
| 19:09.22 | tralala | PerfDave: 2.6.8 |
| 19:09.29 | pingwin | george_ well I was just saying becuase 2.6.16 wouldn't install w/o installing lilo (limited to only my knowledge of debian) |
| 19:09.50 | pingwin | i'm a gentoo guy normally if that gives you any barrings |
| 19:10.13 | valdyn | pingwin: it doesnt make sense |
| 19:10.14 | george_ | pingwin: so you're used to ports and building things yourself, do I have that right? |
| 19:10.18 | tralala | pingwin: it must be a new problem I have installed 2.6.16 from backports without any lilo problems |
| 19:10.30 | *** join/#debian niles (n=gamer@156.12.180.133) |
| 19:10.40 | george_ | tralala: do you have lilo installed? |
| 19:10.46 | pingwin | george_ yeah, I've admined bsd also |
| 19:11.07 | Charminthemoose | will xorgever be in sdebian stable? |
| 19:11.11 | abrotman | PerfDave: 2.6.11 |
| 19:11.11 | *** join/#debian character (n=lsmith@192.135.141.99) |
| 19:11.16 | george_ | pingwin: just so you know... major parts of debian are a -different- world :) |
| 19:11.16 | valdyn | pingwin: apt-cache show <that kernel>, you should see depends, lilo should probably be a depend ored ( | ) with grub |
| 19:11.17 | new_here | pelzi, valdyn: did it, link at: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4145. |
| 19:11.29 | PerfDave | Charminthemoose: No. Stable Debian releases don't get new software, except backported security fixes. |
| 19:11.33 | tralala | george_: grub |
| 19:11.44 | vin` | Charminthemoose: xorg is default in etch. |
| 19:11.52 | george_ | not saying it's hard to learn (especially as you have that experience), but it's different |
| 19:12.02 | tralala | pingwin: what does aptitude show linux-image-2.6.16-etc say about the package deps? |
| 19:12.25 | pingwin | tralala what's aptitude? isn't that the convoluted ncurses app? |
| 19:12.43 | *** join/#debian liran- (n=Liran@212.199.177.207.static.012.net.il) |
| 19:12.44 | george_ | pingwin: no, the convoluted one is dselect :) |
| 19:12.50 | tralala | pingwin: it has a cli interface as well and that's exactly what the above command will use |
| 19:13.14 | abrotman | PerfDave: and RC bug fixes |
| 19:13.18 | pingwin | tralala ahh cool. sorry thanks for clarifying |
| 19:13.28 | x_link | k3b, I want to burn a music cd. New Audi Cd, right ? |
| 19:13.37 | *** join/#debian kryptoz (n=kryptoz@221.135.191.222) |
| 19:14.25 | *** join/#debian hydr0x (n=hydrox@host81-153-121-134.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) |
| 19:15.02 | *** join/#debian patterson (n=patterso@c-24-4-108-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:15.26 | JordiGH | pingwin: aptitude can be used from the command line, and it's generally smarter than apt-get. |
| 19:15.28 | JordiGH | !aptitude |
| 19:15.28 | dpkg | hmm... aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 19:15.34 | new_here | pelzi, valdyn: any clues? |
| 19:15.35 | pingwin | sorry I havne' |
| 19:15.44 | *** join/#debian Digamma (i=Doug@bas2-kingston08-1167933558.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 19:15.50 | pingwin | t responded with that info right now, installing something on that machine right now |
| 19:16.03 | PerfDave | JordiGH: More powerful, certainly. I'm not quite sure about "smarter" |
| 19:16.24 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=vihang@213-140-21-233.fastres.net) |
| 19:16.24 | JordiGH | PerfDave: "Generally" smarter. ;-) |
| 19:16.30 | Digamma | Last night I installed grub 0.95 package; now when I restarted the computer; it loaded 0.91 and Linux wasn't in the options for booting |
| 19:16.36 | pingwin | yeah I don't like recommends installing, i only want what I need |
| 19:16.43 | *** join/#debian SubStack (i=substack@49-134.wireless.uaf.edu) |
| 19:16.44 | Digamma | How Do I Upgrade My MBR |
| 19:16.48 | x_link | Should Simulate be checked ? |
| 19:16.51 | x_link | When I want to burn a cd ? |
| 19:16.52 | rgsteele | And, on top of that, I agree with pingwin |
| 19:16.55 | PerfDave | x_link: No |
| 19:16.58 | x_link | Okey |
| 19:16.59 | JordiGH | Digamma: No, your MBR is fine. You need to fiddle around with /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:16.59 | pingwin | PerfDave i'm with you |
| 19:17.16 | *** join/#debian floe (n=konversa@i577B1481.versanet.de) |
| 19:17.18 | Digamma | JordiGH I did |
| 19:17.20 | PerfDave | Digamma: How many distros / OSes do you have on your system? |
| 19:17.22 | Digamma | It is in the list |
| 19:17.27 | Digamma | Windows ME and Linux |
| 19:17.33 | tralala | I find myself useing apt-get more and more rearly |
| 19:17.34 | Digamma | just the two |
| 19:17.37 | PerfDave | Digamma: Which variant of Linux? |
| 19:17.43 | *** join/#debian hardlined (n=hardline@shaky.activmedia.com) |
| 19:17.46 | Digamma | KNOPPIX |
| 19:17.52 | JordiGH | Digamma: Unfortunately, the grub maintainers need help. :-/ Is grub loading, or are you just getting Window? |
| 19:17.57 | JordiGH | !! |
| 19:17.58 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 19:17.58 | JordiGH | !knoppix |
| 19:17.59 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 19:18.00 | Digamma | Grub loaded |
| 19:18.07 | x_link | hrmm |
| 19:18.09 | tralala | Digamma: knoppix is different than debian |
| 19:18.14 | Digamma | But It installed 0.91 |
| 19:18.15 | *** join/#debian character (n=lsmith@192.135.141.99) |
| 19:18.27 | Digamma | It loaded 0.91 |
| 19:18.27 | x_link | Onlt Elapsed Time is running, everything else is still in k3b. Should it be like that ? |
| 19:18.35 | x_link | On the buttom of the window it says No Info. |
| 19:18.49 | x_link | I think I did something wrong? |
| 19:19.08 | JordiGH | Digamma: Installed Knoppix isn't Debian. If your grub isn't obeying /boot/grub/menu.lst, then I don't know what the problem is. |
| 19:19.17 | JordiGH | !! |
| 19:19.17 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 19:19.27 | x_link | hrmm |
| 19:19.35 | x_link | the cd burner is not even working. |
| 19:19.39 | JordiGH | What language is dpkg talking? Portuguese? Italian? |
| 19:19.40 | *** join/#debian Studiosus (i=vic@88.201.134.26) |
| 19:19.44 | *** join/#debian marculix_ (n=marculix@gw.ptr-80-238-227-215.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 19:19.48 | tralala | !!!! |
| 19:19.49 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 19:20.11 | Digamma | It is obeying it |
| 19:20.16 | *** join/#debian crazy_penguin (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/crazypenguin/x-000001) |
| 19:20.16 | Digamma | But Linux just isn't in the list |
| 19:20.25 | tralala | Digamma: add it |
| 19:20.33 | Digamma | Windows Is the onlt option that I can load |
| 19:20.35 | Digamma | tralala, |
| 19:20.35 | JordiGH | Digamma: Then put it in the list. Put it /boot/grub/menu.lst Do you know how? |
| 19:20.39 | PerfDave | Digamma: Please go and ask for support for the Linux distro you're using from its own support channels, not #debian. |
| 19:20.40 | Digamma | I HAVE IT IN THE LIST |
| 19:20.43 | Digamma | IT ISN"T LOADING |
| 19:20.46 | Feax-Crysis | what is the windows app for esayly burn ISO of Debian ? :) |
| 19:20.56 | tralala | Digamma: I'd blame Klaus Knopper if I were you |
| 19:20.57 | JordiGH | Digamma: How is your non-Debian distro not loading? |
| 19:21.01 | PerfDave | Feax-Crysis: I know Nero can do it |
| 19:21.07 | Feax-Crysis | yesb ut there is another |
| 19:21.22 | *** join/#debian waiting (i=irchaver@linuxfoo.de) |
| 19:21.26 | waiting | uff |
| 19:21.27 | crazy_penguin | Good evening to everyone! |
| 19:21.28 | eknar | Feax-Crysis: I used a totally free app called Burn4free. |
| 19:21.36 | PerfDave | Feax-Crysis: Dunno, I haven't used Windows since I burned a Debian CD :) |
| 19:22.00 | robin_sz | a Linuxy replacement for Hyperterminal is ???? |
| 19:22.03 | Feax-Crysis | XD me too but now its for a friend XD |
| 19:22.10 | tralala | PerfDave: now, now... who's burning cds using windows! |
| 19:22.11 | JordiGH | robin_sz: What is hyperterminal? |
| 19:22.19 | new_here | pelzi, valdyn: anyways, cheers |
| 19:22.22 | *** part/#debian new_here (n=user@httpcafe.static.otenet.gr) |
| 19:22.30 | stew | pelzi_: hmm, the minimums are all for coax. i could SWEAR i've seen a miniumum lenght and minimum curve radius for twisted pair but i can't find it now |
| 19:22.32 | george_ | Digamma: if you're using grub and if (1) you learn about how grub works and how to talk to it and (2) you understand how your own boot concept was set up, then you should be able to boot whichever os you want, by hand |
| 19:22.39 | george_ | then you can script it |
| 19:22.46 | stew | pelzi_: but nonetheless i have fixed multiple problems by replacing short cables with 6 foot cables in the past |
| 19:22.50 | abrotman | Digamma: aren't you using Knoppix ? |
| 19:23.03 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-windows |
| 19:23.04 | PerfDave | robin_sz: There's minicom, which is shit, and ckermit |
| 19:23.05 | pelzi_ | stew: that's still down to bad chipsets |
| 19:23.26 | stew | pelzi_: aparantly |
| 19:23.31 | george_ | robin_sz: minicom? |
| 19:23.34 | tralala | minicom is _not_ a shit it's _the_ shit! |
| 19:23.45 | robin_sz | PerfDave, minicom ringsa bell, thats probably it .. just want to configure a poxy router |
| 19:23.50 | george_ | yeah, it |
| 19:23.53 | george_ | err |
| 19:23.59 | *** join/#debian oldsparky (n=OldSpark@host209-86-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:24.17 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Give ckermit a go, it's much nicer to work with than minicom |
| 19:24.20 | *** join/#debian kombi (n=kombi@port-195-158-185-196.static.qsc.de) |
| 19:24.45 | tarzeau | gee is that ugly: http://www.debian.org/logos/tshirt-lt99.jpg |
| 19:25.15 | *** join/#debian BucWheat (n=BucWheat@adsl-70-233-232-26.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:25.18 | BucWheat | hi all |
| 19:25.21 | robin_sz | PerfDave, I just need a cli where I can typo stuff anf have the router respond ... nothing more |
| 19:25.25 | BucWheat | i have a file: dbootstrap_settings in /root |
| 19:25.34 | BucWheat | is that file needed? Can i rm'it? |
| 19:25.38 | kombi | to replace every occurence of foo in all files: sed s/foo/bar/g * ?? |
| 19:25.39 | *** join/#debian der0b (n=mds@c-24-63-35-182.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:25.40 | JordiGH | tarzeau: I've always wondered if that's the origin of the Debian spiral. Is it related to genie bottles? |
| 19:25.49 | *** join/#debian faw (n=felipe@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 19:25.51 | kombi | that is ugly indeed.. |
| 19:25.53 | tralala | kombi: for gnu sed -i |
| 19:26.00 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i have no idea, really. |
| 19:26.08 | PerfDave | robin_sz: So give ckermit a go |
| 19:26.10 | robin_sz | JordiGH, nah, its related to the whole thing being flushed down a toilet ;) |
| 19:26.22 | kombi | tralala: will that write the files too? |
| 19:26.34 | tarzeau | robin_sz: hehe |
| 19:26.44 | tralala | kombi: yes (only for gnu sed though) |
| 19:27.04 | vin` | tarzeau: no more bubbles? |
| 19:27.23 | tarzeau | vin`: course yes! |
| 19:27.30 | kombi | tralala: where does that option go? |
| 19:27.36 | *** join/#debian peteweez (n=pete@pool-68-236-245-17.hag.east.verizon.net) |
| 19:27.45 | tarzeau | JordiGH: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/volkany/tmp/sarge_cover_front.png |
| 19:27.49 | PerfDave | JordiGH: A friend of mine has a Debian spiral tattoo |
| 19:28.00 | robin_sz | JordiGH, when you change your mind and need some laser tattoo removal, call me ;) |
| 19:28.11 | vin` | tarzeau: been a while, lemme know when. |
| 19:28.15 | peteweez | Does anyone know a shell command to reset a USB port (i.e. reconnect my iPod after ejecting without physically disconnecting the USB cable)? |
| 19:28.16 | tralala | kombi: I don't think the position matters |
| 19:28.26 | tarzeau | vin`: am working on a new livecd.gnustep.org , so not for a while |
| 19:28.33 | tarzeau | vin`: i wish someone packaged it for debian |
| 19:28.34 | kombi | tralala: tried all possible places but none worked.. |
| 19:28.44 | JordiGH | PerfDave: Ooh! Where? |
| 19:28.51 | tralala | kombi: what are you running? |
| 19:29.01 | kombi | OS X |
| 19:29.01 | vin` | tarzeau: it'll probably get twirled in flames. ;) |
| 19:29.12 | kombi | ..has everything GNU in it.. |
| 19:29.27 | kombi | only the kernel isn't linux |
| 19:29.30 | cydork | tarzeau, http://www.kde-look.org/content/files/10584-dressel.jpg :P |
| 19:29.30 | tralala | obviousely not |
| 19:29.38 | PerfDave | JordiGH: In Glasgow |
| 19:29.41 | peteweez | Mac is Posix I think |
| 19:29.41 | tralala | kombi: sed --version |
| 19:29.50 | JordiGH | PerfDave: No, silly. What part of the body? :-) |
| 19:30.03 | kombi | sed -V 3.02 |
| 19:30.07 | tarzeau | haha that's a nice etch cover: http://www.etchy.org/images/dyn/2831.jpg |
| 19:30.09 | tralala | kombi: ask #bash for the non-gnu sed way |
| 19:30.09 | PerfDave | kombi: Why are you asking about Mac OS X on #debian? |
| 19:30.33 | JordiGH | Aww... Can't initialize OpenAL: There was an error opening the ALC device |
| 19:30.33 | tarzeau | cydork: too much clothes ;) |
| 19:30.37 | JordiGH | (from antigrav) |
| 19:30.37 | robin_sz | PerfDave, pleae, spell it correctly ... its "Glaz-gie" |
| 19:30.42 | cydork | tarzeau, hehhe :P |
| 19:30.43 | kombi | PerfDave: because people here are friendlier and smarter..;) |
| 19:30.57 | tarzeau | JordiGH: cool, you're trying it.. strange, it worked great here. which kernel? got alsa? |
| 19:30.58 | cydork | tarzeau, well you have gimp right ;) |
| 19:31.01 | tarzeau | JordiGH: arts? |
| 19:31.02 | peteweez | PerfDave: I think kombi's right |
| 19:31.07 | erps2 | I'd just like to say.. so long as Exim4+GnuTLS continues having problems, not providing an option to use Exim4+OpenSSL (or ready-instructions on how to set it up on your own "risk") is.. well. sketchy. |
| 19:31.09 | pingwin | tarzeau that's pretty sad |
| 19:31.10 | tralala | kombi: debian also is frendlier and smarter than OSX... |
| 19:31.11 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Using arts. I'll turn it off in a sec. |
| 19:31.12 | tarzeau | cydork: you write an undress-filter for the gimp? |
| 19:31.18 | PerfDave | kombi: Except when you're asking questions about non-Debian OSes. |
| 19:31.21 | PerfDave | kombi: Now fuck off |
| 19:31.25 | tarzeau | pingwin: what? |
| 19:31.26 | kombi | tralala: you didn't get this, GNU sed version 3.02 |
| 19:31.29 | erps2 | Just got done recompiling Exim4 .. with OpenSSL instead, and Wow! all my TLS email problems that have crept up in the last 3 weeks, resolved themselves. Yay. |
| 19:31.37 | kombi | PerfDave: sounds logical |
| 19:31.37 | robin_sz | hmmm ... neither minicom for ckermit seem to have a install candidate for debian sarge |
| 19:31.42 | cydork | tarzeau, i mean you can add swirl to any snap :P |
| 19:31.43 | *** join/#debian buggarage (n=buggarag@e182051014.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:31.44 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Yeah. Using ALSA, as far as I can tell. |
| 19:31.55 | tarzeau | JordiGH: does it work without arts? |
| 19:32.00 | tralala | kombi: -V doesn't give the version of sed. Ask #bash |
| 19:32.31 | *** join/#debian Studiosus (i=vic@88.201.134.26) |
| 19:32.52 | kombi | tralala: hmm, man sed: -V, --version: output version information and exit.. |
| 19:32.55 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Nope, still no worky. Also: open /dev/[sound/]dsp: No such file or directory |
| 19:32.58 | rgsteele | erps2: wewt. OpenSSL pwnage |
| 19:33.01 | erps2 | sed --version .. sed -h shows that. sed -V has never shown the version. |
| 19:33.19 | JordiGH | tarzeau: --help seems to indicate that I can't turn off sound. |
| 19:33.25 | *** join/#debian vorbote (n=vorbote@unaffiliated/vorbote) |
| 19:33.26 | rgsteele | erps2: I thought Exim for Debian came packaged with OpenSSL compiled in? o.O |
| 19:33.33 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i don't have /dev/sound/* either |
| 19:33.44 | tarzeau | JordiGH: but i've got /dev/dsp .. you? |
| 19:33.49 | kombi | tralala + erps: point taken, version is 3.02 though |
| 19:33.56 | erps2 | rgsteele, I'd be fine with GnuTLS if it worked :\ The "conflicting licenses" issue.. as an argument to use an instable package.. just boggles me, especially for something often as often system critical as an MTA. |
| 19:33.57 | JordiGH | No. I don't have it. |
| 19:34.08 | erps2 | rgsteele, Nope. |
| 19:34.34 | stew | JordiGH: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 19:34.42 | erps2 | rgsteele, used to be with exim-tls but that's been discontinued |
| 19:34.54 | rgsteele | erps2: Ah, I'm using GnuTLS and don't have those problems |
| 19:35.04 | tralala | kombi: is that GNUsed 3.02 or just sed 3.02? No need to answer - if it was the GNU sed -i would've worked |
| 19:35.10 | eknar | Is there a repository that will work with a debian sarge install that contains win32 codecs? |
| 19:35.22 | erps2 | rgsteele, have anyone attempt to email you from the Microsoft main campus lately? :\ |
| 19:35.25 | rgsteele | erps2: Actually, I might be lying. I do have my MTA connect using SSL |
| 19:35.30 | Studiosus | hi, all. question about xorg + nvidia 8774 + unstable: X can't start, last record in Xorg.log is '(II) Initializing extension GLX', additionally, console font is messed up. How to fix? |
| 19:35.33 | JordiGH | stew: Thanks, that fixed it. |
| 19:35.43 | JordiGH | tarzeau: It works now. Let's see how it is. |
| 19:35.47 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 19:35.56 | kombi | tralala: I'm afraid it is in fact GNU, but who knows what OS X people did to it..;) |
| 19:36.00 | tarzeau | JordiGH: pretty funny :) |
| 19:36.07 | tarzeau | JordiGH: harder than bloboats though |
| 19:36.09 | robin_sz | OK, so, sarge with standard apt sources .. no gkermit, ckermit or minicom ... any other suggestions for a useable such thing that is available for Debian, or should I just boot a Windows laptop? |
| 19:36.17 | erps2 | rgsteele, hah. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Er.. long story short is Exchange 2007's secure certificates aren't compatible with GnuTLS. |
| 19:36.30 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Your apt sources are broken |
| 19:36.40 | robin_sz | sure? |
| 19:36.44 | rgsteele | erps2: Leave it to M$ to break shit horribly. |
| 19:36.44 | robin_sz | sigh. |
| 19:36.46 | rgsteele | oops |
| 19:36.51 | rgsteele | sorry, didn't mean to drop the s-bomb |
| 19:37.01 | erps2 | rgsteele, dogfood |
| 19:37.24 | erps2 | rgsteele, actually.. apparently the GnuTLS people are aware of the incompatibility, heh. |
| 19:37.30 | JordiGH | Wow. That looks really nice. Sound works too. You sure you're not using OpenGL? |
| 19:37.44 | rgsteele | erps2: Oh yeah? What's their take on the situation? |
| 19:37.46 | JordiGH | And is that Finnish or what? |
| 19:37.47 | Digamma | How Do I Install The New Version Of Grub On My System |
| 19:38.09 | Digamma | 0.95 |
| 19:38.09 | peteweez | rgsteele: nobody will get mad at you here for talking s*** about Winblows. |
| 19:38.13 | Digamma | And to clutter up your HD |
| 19:38.13 | erps2 | rgsteele, upgrade :p |
| 19:38.22 | stew | Digamma: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:38.25 | *** join/#debian astronaute (n=Astronau@bsy91-1-82-230-48-208.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:38.28 | rgsteele | erps2: Seriously? |
| 19:38.32 | Digamma | Dont know |
| 19:38.49 | stew | Digamma: what does "apt-cache policy grub" say for "Installed:" ? |
| 19:38.51 | tarzeau | JordiGH: no i'm not sure |
| 19:38.56 | tarzeau | JordiGH: not sure about the language |
| 19:38.59 | tarzeau | JordiGH: doesn't it work? |
| 19:39.11 | JordiGH | Digamma is running Knoppix. |
| 19:39.39 | Digamma | How can I change my Box to load 0.91 version of grub? |
| 19:39.39 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Yeah, it works. But I can't figure out how to move it. :P |
| 19:39.47 | stew | Digamma: are you running knoppix? |
| 19:39.48 | tralala | !d-i Digamma |
| 19:39.49 | dpkg | Digamma, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:39.49 | PerfDave | Digamma: Please don't ask Knoppix questions on #debian. If you were running Debian, you wouldn't have the problem you're having, and if you were, we'd know how to fix it. |
| 19:40.12 | JordiGH | tarzeau: For some reason, I thought you were the upstream author yourself. |
| 19:40.18 | tarzeau | JordiGH: the ricers? nope i'm not the upstream |
| 19:40.32 | tralala | stew: he is |
| 19:40.49 | erps2 | rgsteele: Sort of. I've found a few off references to the issue, but no real follow up other than "try a different version" solutions.. I've tried everything from "stable" to unstable.. no go. |
| 19:41.05 | Digamma | All My problem IS, IS HOW DO I UPDATE MY MBR TO VERSION 0.95 OF GRUB!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:41.13 | PerfDave | Digamma: Your proble |
| 19:41.15 | Digamma | Any room can answe that qn |
| 19:41.21 | PerfDave | Digamma: Your problem is that you're asking Knoppix questions on #debian |
| 19:41.22 | stew | Digamma: stop. you are in the wrong channel. doing use all caps please |
| 19:41.31 | *** join/#debian NiCeBoY (i=lolz@41.207.132.188) |
| 19:41.48 | tralala | !room |
| 19:41.48 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 19:41.54 | stew | ^doing^don't |
| 19:41.55 | NiCeBoY | hello anyone know the command to type to get the number of disk space used by a folder on debian plz? |
| 19:41.56 | psychonate | Digamma, if any channel can, ask in another ;) |
| 19:41.57 | *** join/#debian setog3 (n=setog3@gra86-1-82-239-90-166.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:42.19 | erps2 | Digamma, google can answer that question. Try it. |
| 19:42.21 | tralala | Digamma: ask ##linux, #knoppix, #ubuntu, #redhat, #fedora, etc |
| 19:42.23 | Roey | |-|0\/\/ 4ß0uT 133tspe4k |
| 19:42.29 | JordiGH | Digamma: In Debian apt-get install grub should work. |
| 19:42.33 | lunitik | Digamma: ##linux or #linux-help etc... we only help if you install Debian |
| 19:42.49 | *** part/#debian wishkah (n=flo@e178252090.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:42.54 | JordiGH | tarzeau: I can't get over the first big hill. :P |
| 19:43.20 | NiCeBoY | stew can u help plz? |
| 19:43.27 | eknar | Is there a repository that will work with a debian sarge install that contains win32 codecs? |
| 19:43.37 | dondelelcaro | NiCeBoY: du -hs foodir; |
| 19:43.38 | tralala | NiCeBoY: man du |
| 19:43.40 | stew | NiCeBoY: du -s /path/to/folder (man du) |
| 19:43.44 | PerfDave | eknar: debian-multimedia.org should do, if it's legal for you to use them. |
| 19:43.54 | NiCeBoY | thank will try |
| 19:43.54 | eknar | PerfDave: Thanks |
| 19:44.05 | robin_sz | eknar, audio codecs? video codecs? voip codecs? ?? |
| 19:44.19 | eknar | robin_sz: video |
| 19:44.20 | JordiGH | !tell eknar about marillat |
| 19:44.22 | lunitik | robin_sz: w32codecs |
| 19:44.46 | JordiGH | But it seems that Marillat is a cretin who deserves to be hanged by the balls, according to the italians. |
| 19:45.05 | amphi | heh |
| 19:45.21 | kombi | I am italian, no such accordance.. |
| 19:45.32 | NiCeBoY | stew and if the folder contains diferent subfolders is there any commande when i do displays info of all the folders contained in a folder? |
| 19:45.49 | stew | NiCeBoY: du -s /path/to/folder/* |
| 19:45.50 | robin_sz | NiCeBoY, ls -l * |
| 19:45.51 | PerfDave | kombi: And you're asking OS X questions on #debian which shows what you know :) |
| 19:45.58 | douglas | NiCeBoY: i recommend ls -lahS|more |
| 19:46.05 | NiCeBoY | ;) ok |
| 19:46.07 | JordiGH | kombi: Care to explain why he's a cretin anyways? lists.debian.org/debian-devel-italian/2003/03/msg00042.html |
| 19:46.17 | stew | douglas: that doesn't tell you how much room subfolders are taking up |
| 19:46.18 | *** join/#debian petite (n=petite@91.64.160.77) |
| 19:46.22 | tralala | kombi: your opinion doesn't count here because you're using OSX |
| 19:46.27 | douglas | stew: woops |
| 19:46.35 | *** join/#debian zinx (n=zinx@unaffiliated/zinx) |
| 19:46.46 | robin_sz | du -h --max-depth=1 | less |
| 19:47.16 | kombi | jeez, feel like were in mac vs. win here, I use about every unix flavour there is, just to mention it.. |
| 19:47.41 | robin_sz | kombi, plan9? |
| 19:47.41 | JordiGH | MacOS X isn't a Unix flavour. |
| 19:47.45 | tralala | kombi: we're debian zealots |
| 19:47.48 | petite | anyone here have any experience with the Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller on Debian? running a 2.6.17-2 stock debian kernel here, playback seems to work, but no audio can be heard. checked for muted channels but no.. |
| 19:47.58 | kombi | ordiGH: point taken, just reading your link.. |
| 19:48.02 | JordiGH | kombi: And I still want to know what sorts of action merit genital pending. |
| 19:48.07 | PerfDave | JordiGH: Yes it is. Debian isn't. |
| 19:48.08 | douglas | high definition audio controller? hot damn |
| 19:48.13 | petite | douglas: yep |
| 19:48.18 | JordiGH | PerfDave: Oops. Ok, then. :P |
| 19:48.23 | lunitik | JordiGH: its Darwin with a proprietary interface thrown on top... hows it not Unix? |
| 19:48.35 | kombi | JordiGH: Working on it (did PerfDave just come to my help there?) |
| 19:48.42 | robin_sz | douglas, yeah, just hear how sharp and umm, high definiton it is. |
| 19:49.17 | PerfDave | kombi: I have nothing against you personally, just factual incorrectness and people asking for support on the wrong channel ;) |
| 19:49.19 | lunitik | PerfDave: care to justify how Debian isn't a Unix flavor? Perhaps because it contains a few Unix flavors itself? |
| 19:49.22 | petite | lunitik: it follows next to nothing of the UNIX philosophy. i had the displeasure of finding this out over the course of several months. |
| 19:49.33 | tralala | It has a very inspired design - a monolyth kernel running on top of a microkernel. Just like WinNT |
| 19:49.42 | petite | hehe |
| 19:49.42 | JordiGH | kombi: PerfDave sorta came to your help, but to mine too, because he provided a good reason for dividing us (Debian) vs them (MacOS X). |
| 19:49.45 | lunitik | petite: doesn't mean its not Unix... |
| 19:49.48 | Roey | tralala: ooh, you touch my tralala. |
| 19:49.50 | JordiGH | lunitik: GNU's not Unix! |
| 19:50.08 | kombi | PerfDave: you aren't so bad either, and you JordiGH |
| 19:50.09 | tralala | Roey: ;) |
| 19:50.16 | lunitik | JordiGH: Linux is a Unix variant though... |
| 19:50.21 | douglas | unix is what the internet was built on! |
| 19:50.30 | petite | lunitik: sure, a really badly implemented UNIX. |
| 19:50.33 | stew | unix is a series of tubes |
| 19:50.36 | lunitik | douglas: s/unix/bsd/ |
| 19:50.50 | tralala | bsd is unix, linux is quite different |
| 19:50.55 | kombi | if it has a command line and vi, that's my home |
| 19:50.56 | Roey | tralala: after gunther & the sunshine girls, you know |
| 19:51.04 | *** part/#debian waiting (i=irchaver@linuxfoo.de) |
| 19:51.10 | lunitik | petite: note I haven't stated 'UNIX' only 'Unix'... Open Group would get mad at you calling it UNIX ;) |
| 19:51.17 | x_link | Roey: Gunter is from the same country as I live in. hehe |
| 19:51.20 | petite | kombi: so cygwin on windows is ok? |
| 19:51.31 | Roey | x_link: ahh :) |
| 19:51.32 | kombi | petite: hemm... |
| 19:51.33 | petite | lunitik: :) |
| 19:51.42 | Roey | x_link: he is swedish??! |
| 19:51.47 | *** join/#debian DanC (n=connolly@64-126-89-30.dyn.everestkc.net) |
| 19:51.47 | x_link | yes |
| 19:51.50 | PerfDave | lunitik: GNU/Linux is not unix, it's a unix-like operating system. The "GNU's Not Unix" kind of gives that away. |
| 19:51.50 | Roey | didnt' know that |
| 19:51.52 | Roey | interesting. |
| 19:51.56 | x_link | I think so =) |
| 19:51.57 | ApTek | http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=16354 |
| 19:51.58 | Roey | x_link: so his accent is swedish, not german... |
| 19:52.01 | x_link | I'm pretty sure about that. |
| 19:52.04 | PerfDave | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD *might* be a Unix, but I'm not sure. |
| 19:52.06 | Roey | interesting |
| 19:52.07 | Roey | thank you :) |
| 19:52.12 | Roey | ok, back to work for me :) |
| 19:52.18 | x_link | Roey: He's trying to hav a german accent |
| 19:52.21 | Roey | ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 19:52.25 | x_link | That's the thing that should be "funyn" |
| 19:52.28 | douglas | debian kfreebsd: is it cool, or is it whack? |
| 19:52.28 | Roey | oh |
| 19:52.33 | DanC | Hi. I'm hooking up a 22" acer monitor that wants 1280x1050, but gnome only offers up to 1280x1024. time to `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` ? my video card is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R100#RV100 |
| 19:52.36 | Roey | x_link: could have fooled me, I wouldn't know better. |
| 19:52.40 | x_link | He's trying to be a "german pimp" |
| 19:52.41 | Roey | x_link: the video is so funny :) |
| 19:52.44 | x_link | hehe yeah |
| 19:52.47 | Roey | x_link: like Bruno |
| 19:52.49 | x_link | He looks like a morna |
| 19:52.49 | Roey | x_link: only not gay |
| 19:52.53 | x_link | moran |
| 19:52.56 | Roey | ah |
| 19:52.57 | Roey | *moron |
| 19:53.01 | kombi | I am a part time german pimp by the way.. |
| 19:53.03 | x_link | moron |
| 19:53.03 | lunitik | PerfDave: Linux has _nothing_ to do with GNU, other than that its built with a GNU compiler usually, and is usually coupled with GNU tools... |
| 19:53.06 | Roey | kombi: :) |
| 19:53.08 | douglas | DanC: pico the xorg.conf maybe |
| 19:53.13 | Roey | are there german pimps |
| 19:53.18 | douglas | s/pico/nano |
| 19:53.18 | kombi | some.. |
| 19:53.19 | Roey | or is it all state-controlled now |
| 19:53.26 | tralala | linux is not gnu :) |
| 19:53.27 | kombi | Roey: lol.. |
| 19:53.30 | *** join/#debian Mariele (n=Mariele@unaffiliated/mariele) |
| 19:53.31 | JordiGH | lunitik: Does Linux compile with other compilers? |
| 19:53.32 | Roey | kombi: it's legal in germany |
| 19:53.42 | Roey | kombi: one place that came to its senses and cleaned up... |
| 19:53.44 | lunitik | JordiGH: almost certainly.... |
| 19:53.47 | Roey | bbiab. |
| 19:53.52 | x_link | Linux just has a GNU license, right ? If I have learned it right |
| 19:53.58 | Gnurdux | x_link, yes |
| 19:54.12 | x_link | GPL, General Public License. |
| 19:54.25 | kombi | Roey: good tax payers at least |
| 19:54.32 | DanC | so douglas , I shouldn't expect to be able to get 1280x1050 without restarting the x server, right? |
| 19:54.47 | amphi | lunitik: I don't thinks so |
| 19:54.50 | JordiGH | lunitik: I wonder if anyone has attempted it. What compiler does MacOS X use? |
| 19:54.55 | PerfDave | lunitik: When did I say it was? |
| 19:54.56 | lunitik | x_link: yes... as apposed to things like HURD, which is part of the GNU project, and is a kernel also |
| 19:55.04 | x_link | Okey |
| 19:55.05 | kombi | gcc |
| 19:55.06 | lunitik | JordiGH: XCode uses GCC |
| 19:55.13 | PerfDave | lunitik: I mentioned the GNU/Linux operating system, not the Linux kernel. |
| 19:55.18 | pelzi_ | everyone uses gcc... |
| 19:55.28 | x_link | lunitik: So everytime before a distro/version comes out GPL must "okey" it ? |
| 19:55.39 | x_link | New kernel |
| 19:55.40 | JordiGH | lunitik: My question was, what's Darwin compiled with? |
| 19:55.42 | kombi | 2.95.4 to be precise |
| 19:55.44 | PerfDave | x_link: No, the GPL doesn't require that. |
| 19:55.47 | x_link | Okey |
| 19:55.50 | x_link | What does GPL do then? |
| 19:55.51 | amphi | x_link: linux is released under gpl2 |
| 19:55.51 | pelzi_ | how can a licence "okey" anything |
| 19:55.56 | lunitik | x_link: no... they'll just sue you if you violate the terms and are found out :) |
| 19:55.56 | petite | JordiGH: OS X uses GCC, though its pretty slow for some reason. |
| 19:56.00 | NiCeBoY | douglas the command " ls -lahS|more" tell me that each folder occupies only 1k ands its fall man.. |
| 19:56.14 | x_link | pelzi_: hehe I don't know, that's why I'm asking. |
| 19:56.16 | tralala | x_link: it doesn't really do anything. It's just a license |
| 19:56.19 | DanC | is sid moving about 20 times as fast as it was a few months ago? i used to see 20 updates a week or so. now I'm seeing hundreds per week. |
| 19:56.19 | PerfDave | x_link: The GPL is a copyright licence which governs the code used in the Linux kernel and many other Free Software projects. See http://www.gpl.org/ for details |
| 19:56.20 | petite | s/OS X/Darwin |
| 19:56.25 | lunitik | JordiGH: GCC, as is FreeBSD usually... etc... GCC is considered the best Open Source compiler... |
| 19:56.37 | x_link | GPL is just the license, GNU is a company, right ? |
| 19:56.47 | pelzi_ | petite: all in osx is slow, replacing the previous apple shell with bash made some things build twice as fast :( |
| 19:56.49 | azeem | GNU is a project |
| 19:56.50 | pelzi_ | GNU is an os |
| 19:56.54 | pelzi_ | FSF is the "company" |
| 19:56.57 | PerfDave | x_link: No, GNU is a project, look at http://www.gnu.org/ |
| 19:57.01 | peteweez | Does anyone know a shell command to reset a USB port (i.e. reconnect my iPod after ejecting without physically disconnecting the USB cable)? |
| 19:57.04 | x_link | Okey. |
| 19:57.08 | JordiGH | x_link: GNU is a philosophical organisation, whose legal and commercial branch is the Free Software Foundation. GPL is the license used by the GNU project. |
| 19:57.09 | lunitik | JordiGH: That Co-Linux could be compiled with Microsofts compiler.... |
| 19:57.10 | x_link | That many persons works with. |
| 19:57.19 | x_link | JordiGH: Okey. |
| 19:57.24 | pelzi_ | petite: modprobe -r uhci_hcd :) |
| 19:57.31 | *** join/#debian blaamann (n=blaa@124.85-200-35.bkkb.no) |
| 19:57.33 | petite | pelzi_: i was surprised. it was a real underacheiver when rendering 3D content and compiling. |
| 19:57.40 | JordiGH | x_link: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html |
| 19:57.46 | pelzi_ | ah, damn autocomplete... |
| 19:57.49 | lunitik | JordiGH: GNU is also an umbrella software project |
| 19:57.51 | x_link | JordiGH: Thanks alot |
| 19:57.59 | x_link | DAMN it !! |
| 19:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 721] by debhelper |
| 19:58.03 | *** part/#debian DanC (n=connolly@64-126-89-30.dyn.everestkc.net) |
| 19:58.04 | petite | pelzi_: for the intel hda card? |
| 19:58.05 | stew | bah, umbrellas don't need software |
| 19:58.06 | tralala | petite: if you have disconnected it without unmounting first your ipod's filesystem could be damaged |
| 19:58.07 | x_link | I forgot to go and borrow those Linux books today =/ |
| 19:58.16 | x_link | Which are in swedish. |
| 19:58.18 | petite | tralala: eh? what ipod? |
| 19:58.22 | pelzi_ | umm... |
| 19:58.30 | *** part/#debian erps2 (i=keefejoh@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-f4fc95924019bbe8) |
| 19:58.31 | douglas | IPv6 adds too much new overhead to be viable. |
| 19:58.32 | petite | pelzi_: why the modprobe? |
| 19:58.32 | pelzi_ | I missed something |
| 19:58.34 | JordiGH | peteweez: Is the iPod mounted? Can't you just remount it? |
| 19:58.41 | lunitik | stew: can you think of a better term? I can't think of a name for a project containing many different projects... such as GNU is.... |
| 19:58.42 | pelzi_ | petite: nah, autocomplete mistake |
| 19:58.45 | petite | pelzi_: wrong nick, likely. |
| 19:58.52 | pelzi_ | yup |
| 19:58.57 | tralala | peteweez: if you have disconnected it without unmounting first your ipod's filesystem could be damaged |
| 19:59.06 | jelly | stew: but software need umbrellas! |
| 19:59.09 | stew | lunitik: umbrella is fine. don't mind me |
| 19:59.10 | pelzi_ | and I'll go back to the sauna... |
| 19:59.12 | jelly | sssSssSs |
| 19:59.13 | lunitik | stew: similarly, Apache and Mozilla would be called the same thing, only slightly smaller |
| 19:59.19 | peteweez | JordiGH & tralala: It's already been ejected |
| 19:59.20 | tralala | petite: too many people starting with pet :) |
| 19:59.27 | peteweez | I need to remount it after ejecting |
| 19:59.27 | douglas | Python scales up for large projects better than Perl. |
| 19:59.31 | lunitik | stew: ahh :P |
| 19:59.35 | peteweez | without physically disconnecting it |
| 19:59.35 | pelzi_ | douglas: amen |
| 19:59.37 | amphi | x_link: http://www.fsfeurope.org/index.sv.html |
| 19:59.37 | *** join/#debian futex (n=futex@ADijon-256-1-90-244.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:59.39 | petite | tralala: yep |
| 19:59.49 | douglas | Linux has below average SMP support. |
| 19:59.52 | *** join/#debian Shadowcat (i=shadowca@c80-217-204-134.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 19:59.54 | pelzi_ | tried the modprobe? if it is usb, anyway |
| 20:00.08 | x_link | amphi: Thanks mate ! =) |
| 20:00.09 | JordiGH | kombi: No translation for me? :-( |
| 20:00.18 | tralala | peteweez: I don't know what you mean by "ejected" |
| 20:00.18 | lunitik | douglas: how many processors have you tried it with? |
| 20:00.40 | peteweez | tralala: ejected as in "#> eject /dev/sda |
| 20:00.40 | douglas | well, .. one |
| 20:00.46 | lunitik | douglas: and what other kernels are we including to come to this "average"? |
| 20:00.49 | douglas | but then i found out the athlon xp 2400+ isn't smp |
| 20:00.57 | pelzi_ | argh... |
| 20:01.00 | *** join/#debian Vitux (n=vituz@cable-63-135-11-204.sudbury.dyn.personainc.net) |
| 20:01.07 | tralala | peteweez: oh! Try mount /dev/sda then. |
| 20:01.08 | pelzi_ | well, *bsds have nice SMP |
| 20:01.22 | douglas | Nevertheless, object-oriented programming is difficult to use and does not increase productivity. |
| 20:01.22 | peteweez | tralala: mount point does not exist |
| 20:01.36 | pelzi_ | douglas: matter of taste |
| 20:01.39 | tralala | peteweez: are you using udev? |
| 20:01.43 | kombi | tralala: sed 3.02 didn't have the -i option, 4.1.2 has it, so you were right (and I was a bit right) |
| 20:01.45 | peteweez | tralala: as in eject removes the mount point /dev/sda2 (where iPod's filesystem is) |
| 20:01.47 | lunitik | pelzi_: NetBSD and OpenBSD can't scale past 4 processors last I heard... FreeBSD is no where near Linux in that area either, although they are working on it... |
| 20:01.48 | peteweez | tralala: yes |
| 20:01.56 | tralala | kombi: okay |
| 20:02.04 | douglas | Perl 6 is a mistake. |
| 20:02.08 | pelzi_ | lunitik: openbsd is a performance disaster, look at dragonfly |
| 20:02.30 | lunitik | pelzi_: compare that to linux getting to 128 processors easily... you tell me which is better |
| 20:02.31 | peteweez | pelzi_: Doesn't OpenBSD only really care about security? |
| 20:02.32 | *** join/#debian AnyFile (n=AnyFile@host66-69.pool8252.interbusiness.it) |
| 20:02.44 | pelzi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.46 | tralala | peteweez: you'll have to reload the usb module (it's usb right?) for udev to enable the device again |
| 20:02.55 | lunitik | peteweez: no... although that is considered their first goal |
| 20:03.01 | pelzi_ | openbsd emphasizes on code correctness. |
| 20:03.10 | peteweez | yeah |
| 20:03.13 | peteweez | makes sense |
| 20:03.14 | lunitik | peteweez: they'll turn things down because they aren't secure enough... but of course they want other features |
| 20:03.16 | peteweez | and security |
| 20:03.31 | peteweez | So what's Linux's big thing always been? Stability? |
| 20:03.31 | pelzi_ | well, they have high quality requirements in other ways too |
| 20:03.43 | pelzi_ | i.e they do not accept non-documented things |
| 20:03.49 | pelzi_ | and openbsd man pages are damn good |
| 20:03.52 | RichiH | hrm |
| 20:04.03 | peteweez | I'm generally impressed with debian manpages |
| 20:04.06 | pelzi_ | Linux's big thing is having the kitchen sink |
| 20:04.07 | lunitik | peteweez: Linux really has no such goal... just "bring us code for what you want to do, and we'll merge it into our codebase" |
| 20:04.08 | peteweez | but some of them are sub-par |
| 20:04.09 | tralala | peteweez: stability + speed + hardware support |
| 20:04.17 | peteweez | yeah...makes sense |
| 20:04.25 | *** join/#debian mfcker (n=mfcxer@212.160.69.121) |
| 20:04.25 | pelzi_ | Linux is huge already. |
| 20:04.29 | *** part/#debian mfcker (n=mfcxer@212.160.69.121) |
| 20:04.32 | peteweez | And they like to make it work on as many architectures as possible |
| 20:04.38 | pelzi_ | and contains huge amounts of not-so-good stuff |
| 20:04.42 | pelzi_ | no, that's NetBSD |
| 20:04.46 | *** join/#debian sonick (n=sonick@ANantes-252-1-33-76.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:04.49 | sonick | hi |
| 20:04.49 | RichiH | i have a file with a luks file system in it. i use losetup to create my loopback device. when the install died, i copied it over to a fat32 partition with windows, copied back to linux after reinstall |
| 20:04.51 | pelzi_ | netbsd works even on toasters |
| 20:04.54 | peteweez | Does Torvalds actually have some purpose statement somewhere? |
| 20:05.10 | RichiH | now, when i try to cryptsetup it, it dies '/dev/loop1 is not a LUKS partition' |
| 20:05.11 | pelzi_ | doesn't torvalds just have fun with it... |
| 20:05.31 | peteweez | pelzi_: are you f***ing serious? |
| 20:05.31 | peteweez | tralala: so reload the usb module? |
| 20:05.32 | peteweez | that's simple enough |
| 20:05.32 | peteweez | thanx |
| 20:05.32 | *** kick/#debian [peteweez!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 20:05.43 | lunitik | peteweez: not unless you count the initial announcement... which said basically he wants a kernel that can run on his box, and not put a dent in his wallet |
| 20:05.43 | tralala | the big thing about linux is that while some other kernels can match it on some of the things they can't match it at all of them |
| 20:05.44 | *** join/#debian e-funktion (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-174-203.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:05.45 | sonick | i'm french, and i just wanna know what is the time you use for "8/7c" ? |
| 20:05.46 | lunitik | DAMNIT |
| 20:05.54 | *** join/#debian mrcoyote (n=mrcoyote@AAnnecy-256-1-189-100.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:05.58 | *** join/#debian peteweez (n=pete@pool-68-236-245-17.hag.east.verizon.net) |
| 20:06.12 | peteweez | Wtf? Who kicked me? |
| 20:06.14 | pelzi_ | Linux does everything, but isn't really good at many things |
| 20:06.18 | robin_sz | bah.... how did my apt-get break itself huh? |
| 20:06.25 | cydork | peteweez, you just typed to fast :) |
| 20:06.25 | lunitik | sonick: 8 .. unless you're in CST |
| 20:06.28 | lunitik | peteweez: not unless you count the initial announcement... which said basically he wants a kernel that can run on his box, and not put a dent in his wallet |
| 20:06.30 | JordiGH | wtf 8/7c |
| 20:06.34 | abrotman | peteweez: you flooded .. or were lagging and it all spit out at once |
| 20:06.37 | petemc | sonick: you're six hours ahead from that, i think.. |
| 20:06.42 | stew | peteweez: one of the channel protection bots kicked you fro flooding the channel |
| 20:06.44 | *** join/#debian Celelibi (n=hiddy@2001:688:c33:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 20:06.46 | peteweez | oops |
| 20:06.48 | peteweez | sorry about that |
| 20:06.51 | peteweez | I didn't mean it |
| 20:06.52 | tralala | peteweez: that's my educated guess anyway |
| 20:06.53 | pelzi_ | nah |
| 20:06.53 | stew | sonick: are you seeing that from some american source? |
| 20:06.55 | douglas | Apple Computer will never sell a computer that uses multi-button mice. |
| 20:06.56 | pelzi_ | stupid bot |
| 20:06.57 | stew | sonick: the "8/7c"? |
| 20:07.04 | pelzi_ | douglas: they have sold ones |
| 20:07.05 | abrotman | good bot |
| 20:07.10 | pelzi_ | afaik |
| 20:07.12 | douglas | oh |
| 20:07.12 | robin_sz | douglas, one button mice for one braincel users. |
| 20:07.15 | peteweez | yeah it said debhelper kicked me |
| 20:07.25 | cydork | douglas, the apple users are stupid to use the other. they will get confused :P |
| 20:07.27 | JordiGH | Er, debhelper, actually. |
| 20:07.27 | lunitik | douglas: Not true... their current boxes have at least 2... it just still looks like a single button mouse |
| 20:07.37 | tralala | peteweez: try to reduce the usage of Enter in favour of ',' '.' and the like |
| 20:07.37 | lunitik | douglas: see: Mighty Mouse |
| 20:07.40 | sonick | stew, i saw that the next episod of prison brek will be at 8/7c on fox's website, but i don't know what it means ! |
| 20:07.42 | pelzi_ | copypasting on mac is a pain |
| 20:07.46 | peteweez | tralala: good idea |
| 20:07.47 | douglas | lunitik: interesting |
| 20:07.49 | Feax-Crysis | how can I know the use level of my battery on debian with my laptop ? |
| 20:07.59 | petite | acpi |
| 20:08.00 | douglas | Feax-Crysis: acpi |
| 20:08.09 | pelzi_ | cat /proc/acpi/battery/something |
| 20:08.10 | peteweez | Feax-Crysis: gnome-panel has an applet, I think. |
| 20:08.11 | petite | Feax-Crysis: the command that is |
| 20:08.11 | Feax-Crysis | k thx |
| 20:08.19 | tralala | or apm |
| 20:08.24 | Feax-Crysis | yes but kde :p |
| 20:08.26 | pelzi_ | acpi tells more |
| 20:08.27 | stew | sonick: 8pm eastern daylight time, which is GMT-0400 |
| 20:08.40 | tralala | Feax-Crysis: #kde |
| 20:08.47 | lunitik | stew: -5 hrs |
| 20:08.47 | stew | sonick: (the 7c refers to 7pm in the central time zone, 1 hour off eastern) |
| 20:08.51 | sonick | stew, but of which day ? today ? |
| 20:09.07 | stew | lunitik: -4 hours during daylight savings |
| 20:09.22 | douglas | speaking of acpi, my computer has been telling me all along that my cpu has been a solid 59 degrees celsius and I'm starting to get suspicious. |
| 20:09.22 | lunitik | stew: no, because both change for daylight savings |
| 20:09.25 | peteweez | If I reload the USB module, won't that disable my mouse? |
| 20:09.36 | pelzi_ | douglas: stop caring |
| 20:09.50 | douglas | but i've had overheating issues |
| 20:09.53 | pelzi_ | ...no? |
| 20:09.58 | tralala | or stop buying intel |
| 20:10.00 | douglas | amd |
| 20:10.07 | pelzi_ | 32bit amd? |
| 20:10.19 | pelzi_ | K7 s-u-c-k-s. |
| 20:10.41 | tralala | what's the temperature of the environment? |
| 20:10.42 | douglas | ... emachines laptop, lots of overheating complaints for this model scattered around |
| 20:10.46 | stew | lunitik: oh, i cannot keep utc and gmt straight |
| 20:10.59 | george_ | typical #debian... attack their choices |
| 20:11.05 | sonick | stew, it doesn't show the day right ? |
| 20:11.16 | douglas | amd xp 2400+, my room's room temperature generally |
| 20:11.23 | valdyn | k7 are fine in general, just a specific ( old ) athlon would really get hot |
| 20:11.29 | lunitik | george_: hard to keep 700+ opinions in check |
| 20:11.39 | douglas | i cleaned out a little dust bunny and the problem stopped but i'm kind of curious how hot that sucker is |
| 20:11.39 | peteweez | lunitik: amen |
| 20:11.50 | pelzi_ | K7 lappies suck |
| 20:11.53 | stew | sonick: 8/7c doesn't indicate a day |
| 20:12.01 | valdyn | pelzi_: defenitely |
| 20:12.09 | pelzi_ | and tens of K7s died in the server room on their first year |
| 20:12.16 | pelzi_ | the intels of the same age still work |
| 20:12.17 | sonick | stew, ok, thanks |
| 20:12.18 | douglas | broadcom wifi adapters suck too |
| 20:12.19 | *** join/#debian dsl808 (n=dsl@bas2-kingston08-1167932317.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 20:12.19 | stew | sonick: it indicates 8:00 eastern time 7:00 central time |
| 20:12.20 | tralala | lunitik: come on - we all know that the _correct_ opinion has to be *enforced* |
| 20:12.24 | petite | anyone here run a ThinkPad X series machine? |
| 20:12.28 | *** join/#debian marculix (n=marculix@gw.ptr-80-238-227-215.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 20:12.32 | pelzi_ | K7 were banned from that place afterwards... |
| 20:12.33 | pelzi_ | petite: o/ |
| 20:12.35 | pelzi_ | X22 |
| 20:12.37 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 20:12.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:12.41 | stew | petite: several people. if you have a real question, just ask it |
| 20:12.45 | petite | pelzi_: which sound card is on the x22? |
| 20:12.46 | dsl808 | can you log into a partition from a rescue disk (The partition is perfect) |
| 20:12.46 | sonick | stew, and do you know which day will be the next prison break ?! |
| 20:12.50 | pelzi_ | intel |
| 20:12.52 | stew | sonick: no |
| 20:12.55 | valdyn | pelzi_: k7 just are entirely different cpus, what heat production is concerned |
| 20:12.56 | douglas | so does my ati radeon igp 320m.. there is very little about this laptop that does not suck, for example, what it cost me (nothing) |
| 20:12.59 | petite | pelzi_: HDA Intel? |
| 20:13.05 | pelzi_ | intel8x0 |
| 20:13.11 | valdyn | pelzi_: depending on the series |
| 20:13.14 | petite | pelzi_: right. different card. |
| 20:13.21 | sonick | stew, allright, it doesn't matter |
| 20:13.23 | pelzi_ | heck, nobody knew about HDA in 2002 |
| 20:13.30 | sonick | now I know hot to read this time |
| 20:13.34 | pelzi_ | valdyn: the mainboards suck. |
| 20:13.39 | george_ | petite: maybe lspci can tell you what you have |
| 20:13.39 | *** join/#debian seb- (n=seb-@ppp-63-204-112-33.dialup.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 20:13.43 | pelzi_ | valdyn: they failed, not cpus |
| 20:13.47 | george_ | it's worth a try |
| 20:13.48 | petite | george_: i know what i have. |
| 20:13.48 | *** join/#debian PDani (n=pdani@catv-56651989.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 20:13.50 | seb- | can apt-get tell you what files in a package have changed? |
| 20:13.54 | douglas | i bought a linksys pcmcia thingy because the broadcom adapter was driving me nuts but i can't seem to shove this mutha into the slot |
| 20:14.06 | douglas | that makes me sad |
| 20:14.08 | pelzi_ | which slot |
| 20:14.09 | valdyn | pelzi_: so your issue was actually just with one specific chipset |
| 20:14.17 | george_ | petite: then your next query can be very specific :) |
| 20:14.21 | pelzi_ | valdyn: no, it was multiple boards and not the chipset |
| 20:14.22 | douglas | pelzi_: what i believed to be the pcmcia slot |
| 20:14.25 | cydork | seb-, try debsums |
| 20:14.31 | *** join/#debian Deny_[All] (n=pdiablo@230-215.static.dedicado.com.uy) |
| 20:14.34 | douglas | i guess there are multiple types of slots |
| 20:14.51 | valdyn | pelzi_: that's hardly athlon specific then |
| 20:14.52 | petite | it seems only Suse and Ubuntu users can get the Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) working out of the box. |
| 20:14.52 | seb- | cydork: thanks! but can it show you the diff's too? |
| 20:14.56 | pelzi_ | valdyn: I have 25 broken AMD mainboards and no interest in fixing them, that's a lot more than any other type of boards. |
| 20:15.00 | petite | george_: i have already asked it. see above. |
| 20:15.04 | dsl808 | can you log into a partition from a rescue disk (The partition is perfect) |
| 20:15.12 | cydork | seb-, nope only md5sums are stored |
| 20:15.21 | tralala | pelzi_: have you ever though of changing the supplier? |
| 20:15.25 | *** join/#debian jayeola (n=jayeola@dsl82-163-37-178.as15444.net) |
| 20:15.31 | seb- | cydork: is there any way to get the diffs? |
| 20:15.32 | petite | most Debian users in forums et al, includin Alsa forums have no sound out-of-the-box with this card. |
| 20:15.33 | pelzi_ | tralala: asus, abit, dfi... you name it |
| 20:15.33 | cydork | seb-, but you can always download a deb and check :P |
| 20:15.52 | dsl808 | can you log into a partition from a rescue disk (The partition is perfect) |
| 20:15.56 | pelzi_ | tralala: boards from the first 600mhz things to later athlon xps |
| 20:16.00 | pelzi_ | tralala: all have failed |
| 20:16.05 | seb- | cydork: if i d/l a deb don't i have to install it to do a diff? |
| 20:16.10 | valdyn | dsl808: thats the wrong approach, logging in has nothing to do with it |
| 20:16.13 | tralala | pelzi_: woow! |
| 20:16.13 | kombi | tralala: tralala: what might be wrong with sed -i s/foo/<a href="http://www.bar.com">Foo</a>/g' somefile? |
| 20:16.16 | douglas | anyone mess with the Auditor security live cd? |
| 20:16.20 | *** join/#debian character (n=lsmith@192.135.141.99) |
| 20:16.24 | valdyn | dsl808: you can mount a partition from a running debian, sure |
| 20:16.28 | *** part/#debian sonick (n=sonick@ANantes-252-1-33-76.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:16.30 | *** part/#debian eknar (n=bryan@cpe-24-160-190-34.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 20:16.35 | kombi | double tralala there.. weired |
| 20:16.39 | valdyn | dsl808: ( or a rescue disk, sure ) |
| 20:16.47 | *** join/#debian mlowe (n=mlowe@c-24-6-84-179.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 20:16.49 | dsl808 | I want to update grub on the partition |
| 20:16.50 | cydork | seb-, nope just extract it some where |
| 20:16.51 | douglas | what fs should i specify to mount my ipod? |
| 20:17.02 | pelzi_ | fat32 |
| 20:17.08 | george_ | try not specifying an fs |
| 20:17.10 | *** join/#debian wolffc (i=wolff@dslb-084-063-038-225.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:17.11 | valdyn | dsl808: chroot is what you're looking for then |
| 20:17.19 | dsl808 | how do I use that |
| 20:17.25 | pelzi_ | man |
| 20:17.26 | valdyn | dsl808: read the manpage? |
| 20:17.42 | dsl808 | I want to have '# grub-install /dev/hda && update grub' as a command |
| 20:17.49 | douglas | george_: wouldn't that be the first thing most people would have tried before running into this question? |
| 20:18.00 | douglas | i don't go out of my way to flag/option commands |
| 20:18.09 | george_ | yeah, I would have thought so |
| 20:18.16 | douglas | all right, so fat 32 it is |
| 20:18.23 | tralala | kombi: missing quotes? |
| 20:18.24 | pelzi_ | -t vfat |
| 20:18.25 | valdyn | -t vfat |
| 20:18.51 | kombi | tralala: first one you mean? sorry, missed that: sed -i 's/foo/<a href="bar">foo</a>/g' |
| 20:18.58 | george_ | douglas: but there are different cases |
| 20:19.35 | tralala | kombi: too many / |
| 20:20.04 | tralala | 's,foo,<bar></bar>,g' |
| 20:20.19 | kombi | tralala: of course.. the delimiter.. thx! |
| 20:20.22 | george_ | you didn't say you did so, and also not included what happened when you did... that would have helped |
| 20:20.29 | douglas | disappointing, i'd rather be listening to tunes off of a ipod with reiser fs |
| 20:20.42 | douglas | overclocked |
| 20:20.50 | george_ | the killer fs |
| 20:20.55 | petite | hehe |
| 20:20.56 | kombi | douglas: sounds better? |
| 20:21.00 | *** join/#debian g333k_work (n=gonzalo@200.48.115.175) |
| 20:21.00 | tralala | </black humor> |
| 20:21.15 | douglas | kombi: placebotically, sure |
| 20:21.32 | petite | douglas: wouldnt you rather know that you could scale your collection to a petabyte on ext4? :) |
| 20:21.42 | kombi | douglas: good point, that is often the case actually |
| 20:21.47 | dsl808 | what do I put in NEWROOT? |
| 20:21.55 | douglas | petite: ext4 isn't a myth? |
| 20:22.01 | tralala | dsl808: new things? |
| 20:22.04 | kombi | tralala: ;) |
| 20:22.10 | kombi | works.. |
| 20:22.10 | douglas | !ext4 |
| 20:22.10 | dpkg | we have to wait until ext3 is out, you know :) |
| 20:22.11 | tralala | is this a trick question? |
| 20:22.14 | george_ | new plants? |
| 20:22.24 | douglas | ext3 isn't even out |
| 20:22.27 | dsl808 | I mean what do I type in instead of newtoor |
| 20:22.27 | petite | douglas: dpkg doesnt like changes |
| 20:22.31 | dsl808 | rootɎj |
| 20:22.42 | dsl808 | It wont let me do that |
| 20:22.55 | *** join/#debian JJ|Laptop (n=jjlaptop@S010600032f3925db.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 20:22.57 | tralala | dsl808: do you happen to run dsl? |
| 20:23.18 | petite | tralala: is that what they call "free association"? |
| 20:23.21 | *** join/#debian znx (i=irc@unaffiliated/znx) |
| 20:23.28 | dsl808 | yes I do |
| 20:23.33 | dsl808 | I just want an answer |
| 20:23.38 | dsl808 | I thought it was simple |
| 20:23.43 | douglas | synchronous, yo? |
| 20:23.46 | dsl808 | Log into an account on another partition |
| 20:23.48 | pelzi_ | it is |
| 20:23.51 | seb- | cydork: whoa!? you can extract debs to non-standard locations? |
| 20:23.52 | *** join/#debian Bhavesh (n=bhavesh@c-24-98-157-207.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 20:23.53 | pelzi_ | read the man |
| 20:23.58 | tralala | petite: it's what they call sniffig spoiled eggs from a mile away ;) |
| 20:24.01 | dsl808 | I read the 20 word man |
| 20:24.12 | pelzi_ | read again |
| 20:24.21 | cydork | seb-, yep |
| 20:24.22 | dsl808 | look |
| 20:24.29 | dsl808 | dsl@box:~$ chroot NEWROOT grub-install /dev/hda && update grubrnchroot: cannot change root directory to NEWROOT: No such file or directory |
| 20:24.43 | dsl808 | see |
| 20:24.51 | dsl808 | what am I doing wrong |
| 20:24.56 | Bhavesh | replace NEWROOT with a correct chroot directory |
| 20:24.56 | miika | lol |
| 20:25.11 | dsl808 | what is a correct chroot directory |
| 20:25.14 | george_ | dsl808: what do you want your newroot dir to be? |
| 20:25.21 | seb- | cydork: k, thanks for the help |
| 20:25.30 | george_ | where do you intend to install to? |
| 20:25.34 | dsl808 | I want to throw a command out from my hda2 |
| 20:25.36 | cydork | seb-, no problem :) |
| 20:25.46 | pelzi_ | then maybe mount the damn hda2 |
| 20:25.48 | tralala | dsl808: your intended installatoin dir |
| 20:25.51 | pelzi_ | and pass it to chroot |
| 20:26.00 | cydork | !dsl |
| 20:26.00 | dpkg | methinks dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 20:26.37 | dsl808 | #DSL is deader than dead |
| 20:26.37 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 20:26.38 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd158 is <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
| 20:27.04 | PerfDave | !theydontknow |
| 20:27.09 | tralala | dsl808: this is one of the many disadvantages of running a niche distro |
| 20:27.11 | dsl808 | I just want to know how do you log into a box on a different partition! |
| 20:27.24 | *** join/#debian ruede (n=muh2000@p57A5C88D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:27.25 | pelzi_ | dsl808: I told you |
| 20:27.25 | dsl808 | thats IT! |
| 20:27.50 | dsl808 | ok hda2 is mounted |
| 20:28.00 | dsl808 | what do I do! |
| 20:28.04 | cydork | dsl808, ask #damnsmalllinux :) |
| 20:28.06 | pelzi_ | chroot there |
| 20:28.08 | dsl808 | I am a newb if you may not have noticed |
| 20:28.09 | tralala | dsl808: do you realise that you can break your OS this way? |
| 20:28.10 | pelzi_ | for gods sake |
| 20:28.18 | tralala | !noob |
| 20:28.19 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 20:28.27 | PerfDave | dsl808: Why are you running Damn Small Linux if you're a Linux newcomer? It's intended for more expert users. |
| 20:28.44 | cydork | hehe i love the way we have factoids for every thing :) |
| 20:28.53 | dsl808 | because I dont have the hardware to load these full of crap and flab KDE interfaces |
| 20:28.57 | tralala | dpkg: you rock! |
| 20:28.57 | dpkg | :), tralala |
| 20:28.59 | RichiH | !factoid |
| 20:28.59 | dpkg | [factoid] something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 20:29.07 | PerfDave | dsl808: You don't need to run KDE on Debian |
| 20:29.11 | PerfDave | dsl808: What hardware do you have? |
| 20:29.13 | cydork | RichiH, you didn't know that :P |
| 20:29.15 | dsl808 | but I need 7 cd's |
| 20:29.22 | PerfDave | dsl808: You don't need 7 CDs to install Debian |
| 20:29.23 | dsl808 | I am NOT downloadsing 7 cd's |
| 20:29.25 | douglas | so I got me a bin/cue weighing in at 798 megs and a 702 meg blank cd or two.. how can i split this sucker up? |
| 20:29.30 | RichiH | cydork: iirc, i wrote part of that, myself |
| 20:29.31 | PerfDave | You need two floppies |
| 20:29.32 | george_ | dsl808: you don't need to run any graphics at all on debian |
| 20:29.35 | dsl808 | I cant load the network app |
| 20:29.39 | *** join/#debian whatah (i=noname@nylug/member/whatah) |
| 20:29.39 | george_ | if you don't want to |
| 20:29.44 | dsl808 | the net install disk |
| 20:29.44 | *** join/#debian solemnwarning (n=solemnwa@cpc3-fare2-0-0-cust598.cos2.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:29.53 | cydork | RichiH, i was kiddin. :) |
| 20:29.53 | dsl808 | I cant find PPPoE access on it |
| 20:30.04 | RichiH | cydork: :) |
| 20:30.05 | tralala | dsl808: cd1 has pppoe |
| 20:30.08 | PerfDave | dsl808: Either way, the fact remains that you're not running Debian, so you shouldn't be asking questions on #debian |
| 20:30.11 | kombi | dpkg: does the flock of rubber ducks swimming around the world since a freigt ship sank really exist? |
| 20:30.12 | wols_ | netinst has pppoe |
| 20:30.23 | dsl808 | ok |
| 20:30.38 | dsl808 | fine fine |
| 20:30.45 | dsl808 | I'll go and install debian instead |
| 20:30.45 | Quark | hi all |
| 20:30.46 | douglas | netinst, a recent daily at least, has wep support for wifis |
| 20:30.55 | tralala | dsl808: now that's an idea! |
| 20:30.56 | Quark | E: linux-image-2.6.15-1-486: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 128 <---- what i can do ? |
| 20:30.57 | douglas | parenthetically |
| 20:30.58 | dsl808 | I have a PPPoE sonnection |
| 20:31.08 | dsl808 | does it install grub for me? |
| 20:31.13 | tralala | yes |
| 20:31.14 | cydork | Quark, which version of debian is that? |
| 20:31.14 | douglas | dsl808: yes |
| 20:31.16 | dsl808 | good |
| 20:31.17 | dsl808 | byw |
| 20:31.19 | dsl808 | bye o/ |
| 20:31.20 | Quark | etch |
| 20:31.20 | PerfDave | dsl808: Reading the Debian Installation Manual may help |
| 20:31.21 | dsl808 | thanks |
| 20:31.21 | douglas | bye |
| 20:31.28 | douglas | good luck |
| 20:31.31 | tralala | !d-i dsl808 |
| 20:31.32 | dpkg | dsl808, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:31.32 | dsl808 | I will be bugging you later then |
| 20:31.41 | x_link | damn |
| 20:31.42 | Quark | cydork, is etch |
| 20:31.57 | tralala | dsl808: don't install testing/unstable! |
| 20:31.58 | x_link | I took away k3b with synaptic, it says that it removed the whole file |
| 20:31.59 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@24-176-42-53.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com) |
| 20:32.01 | wols_ | Quark: dpkg -l libc6. what version? |
| 20:32.03 | x_link | But still I can't press Close in that window. |
| 20:32.11 | x_link | It's been a hour now. |
| 20:32.15 | x_link | What should I do ? |
| 20:32.19 | wols_ | Quark: etch has kernel 2.6.17 |
| 20:32.23 | x_link | is it not done yet or has something got stuck? |
| 20:32.30 | Quark | yes wols_ |
| 20:32.30 | futex | hello |
| 20:32.35 | tralala | x_link: pkill k3b |
| 20:32.40 | x_link | OKey |
| 20:32.43 | Quark | 2.6.17 it's running |
| 20:32.43 | Gnurdux | pkill? |
| 20:32.44 | futex | where can i find w32codec for debian etch please? |
| 20:32.50 | pelzi_ | !marillat |
| 20:32.50 | dpkg | i heard marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 20:32.52 | wols_ | !tell futex about marillat |
| 20:32.53 | Quark | but i can't remove that kernel |
| 20:32.54 | x_link | tralala: I don't have k3b running |
| 20:33.03 | x_link | I removed k3b via synaptic |
| 20:33.07 | tralala | x_link: what is it that you cannot close? |
| 20:33.13 | cydork | Quark, which kernel are you installing now? |
| 20:33.29 | wols_ | Quark: tell us the real error |
| 20:33.30 | x_link | synaptic says that it removed whole k3b, but I can't press Close |
| 20:33.32 | Quark | cydork, now it's running 2.6.17 |
| 20:33.39 | *** join/#debian Mitja (n=Mitja@unaffiliated/mitja) |
| 20:33.48 | x_link | I don't know if it's not done yet, but I have waited for an hour now. |
| 20:33.48 | cydork | Quark, ok then paste the error in a paster |
| 20:33.51 | cydork | !paster |
| 20:33.51 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:33.53 | tralala | x_link: did you run pkill already? |
| 20:33.58 | x_link | Nope |
| 20:34.00 | Quark | wols_, is this the error |
| 20:34.05 | x_link | tralala: Should I ? |
| 20:34.13 | tralala | x_link: yes, pkill k3b |
| 20:34.17 | Quark | i don't see anything exept that |
| 20:34.24 | x_link | sedde@c83-249-192-67:~$ pkill k3b |
| 20:34.24 | x_link | sedde@c83-249-192-67:~$ |
| 20:34.29 | NiCeBoY | stew when am installing quota and when am activating it by doing quotaon -a am getting errors and the error message is "quotaon: using //aquota.user on /dev/vzfs [/]: Device or resource busy" did u know how i can solve it please? |
| 20:34.35 | douglas | why is pastebin.com so far behind pastebin.ca |
| 20:34.37 | x_link | Should it not be pkill synaptic ? |
| 20:34.45 | Quark | cydork, or wols_ can you say me where i found the real error ? |
| 20:34.57 | tralala | x_link: is it the synaptic window that's not closing? |
| 20:34.58 | stew | NiCeBoY: no idea |
| 20:35.02 | futex | thank you wols_ |
| 20:35.04 | NiCeBoY | oh :( |
| 20:35.05 | wols_ | Quark: a few lines above from this one |
| 20:35.20 | NiCeBoY | douglas any idea man? |
| 20:35.22 | x_link | tralala: Yes, I have synaptic open, cause I wanted to remove k3b and re-download it. |
| 20:35.28 | cydork | Quark, paste the whole output in paster. |
| 20:35.33 | *** join/#debian jean_n (n=jean_n@84.112.12.220) |
| 20:35.34 | tralala | x_link: kill synaptic then |
| 20:35.35 | Quark | wols_, this one is produced by synaptic, and it's the only line |
| 20:35.59 | x_link | Synaptic says that it Removed Whole k3b, but I can't press the Close button in synaptic, proberly cause it's not done. But I have been waiting for an hour now. Should it take this long time? |
| 20:36.01 | douglas | NiCeBoY: i steer clear of quota stuff |
| 20:36.08 | douglas | quotas make me sad |
| 20:36.12 | x_link | tralala: kill or pkill ? |
| 20:36.13 | kombi | douglas: needs its hardware quadrupled, propably |
| 20:36.19 | wols_ | Quark: ues apt then |
| 20:36.21 | cydork | Quark, use apt-get :) |
| 20:36.29 | NiCeBoY | douglas oh :( |
| 20:36.32 | tralala | x_link: no it should not. Your synaptic appears to have crashed. pkill |
| 20:36.35 | Quark | but apt say to me that this kernel is not installed |
| 20:36.42 | NiCeBoY | wols_ u got any idea of quota plz? |
| 20:36.54 | wols_ | no |
| 20:36.56 | douglas | niceboy what are you using for this |
| 20:37.03 | x_link | sedde@c83-249-192-67:~$ kill synaptic |
| 20:37.03 | x_link | bash: kill: synaptic: arguments must be process or job IDs |
| 20:37.05 | *** join/#debian tianjing (n=mat@zandbak.demon.nl) |
| 20:37.13 | craigevil | killall synaptic |
| 20:37.17 | x_link | and pkill gave me sedde@c83-249-192-67:~$ pkill synaptic |
| 20:37.17 | x_link | pkill: 16045 - Operation not permitted |
| 20:37.18 | x_link | pkill: 16054 - Operation not permitted |
| 20:37.22 | x_link | craigevil: Okey, thanks |
| 20:37.29 | tralala | x_link: do it as root (pkill) |
| 20:37.43 | NiCeBoY | douglas quota its the name too :P |
| 20:37.44 | x_link | ahh thanks ! |
| 20:37.48 | kombi | wasn't quota a tool back from the day when cpu time had to be paid by the minute? |
| 20:37.52 | x_link | tralala: I tried that. Didn't work |
| 20:37.54 | *** join/#debian Piet_ (i=pietor@tor/regular/Piet) |
| 20:38.02 | x_link | Should I open synaptic again and try to remove k3b ? |
| 20:38.02 | tralala | !doesn't work |
| 20:38.03 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 20:38.32 | kombi | good one, dpkg..;) |
| 20:38.40 | niles | windows are not shown on my top pannel. why? |
| 20:38.44 | x_link | Sorry tralala I only did kill as root. |
| 20:38.55 | *** join/#debian rvalles (n=lodoss@80.28.117.49) |
| 20:38.56 | x_link | tralala: Should I open synaptic again and try to remove k3b ? |
| 20:38.56 | craigevil | tralala try using apt |
| 20:39.03 | *** part/#debian seb- (n=seb-@ppp-63-204-112-33.dialup.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 20:39.05 | douglas | NiCeBoY: quotatool might make this easier |
| 20:39.08 | craigevil | x_link sorry try using apt |
| 20:39.11 | tralala | x_link: I'd use aptitude if I were you |
| 20:39.11 | douglas | but i haven't used it |
| 20:39.14 | Quark | cydork, synaptic put this package in residual config, but i can't remove |
| 20:39.27 | NiCeBoY | douglas can u get me any tuto plz? |
| 20:39.38 | Gnurdux | Quark, try using dpkg -P |
| 20:39.41 | Quark | cydork, it's only happen with kernel package |
| 20:39.52 | cydork | Quark, use apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.15whatever.. |
| 20:39.55 | douglas | NiCeBoY: i assume you've already heard about /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz? |
| 20:40.00 | x_link | craigevil: apt-get remove k3b ? |
| 20:40.09 | craigevil | x_link yes |
| 20:40.11 | NiCeBoY | douglas ;) |
| 20:40.12 | x_link | Okey |
| 20:40.37 | Quark | apt say: Package linux-image-2.6.15-1-486 is not installed, so not removed |
| 20:40.42 | apt | that's too long, Quark |
| 20:40.42 | x_link | hrmm, my computer is laggins as hell now. |
| 20:40.46 | amphi | x_link: just use cdrecord ;) |
| 20:40.48 | x_link | I can barly write |
| 20:40.54 | douglas | Hmm.. well, apt-cache search quota|grep uota|wc -l reveals 8 candidates |
| 20:41.08 | amphi | x_link: top will show what's eating your cpu |
| 20:41.23 | x_link | apt-get install k3b |
| 20:41.27 | NiCeBoY | douglas /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz? is not available :( |
| 20:41.29 | x_link | I did that. I thinkit's that |
| 20:41.38 | douglas | niceboy i'll look into that, brb |
| 20:41.46 | NiCeBoY | douglas thx |
| 20:42.02 | *** part/#debian PerfDave (n=grimoire@grimoire.xen-hosting.net) |
| 20:42.22 | kombi | NiCeBoY: dpkg -l | grep quota |
| 20:42.33 | NiCeBoY | kombi ok thx |
| 20:42.57 | NiCeBoY | kombi the reply is ii quota 3.12-6 implementation of the disk quota system |
| 20:42.58 | *** join/#debian JordiGH (n=jordi@148.235.65.240) |
| 20:43.26 | tralala | NiCeBoY: /usr/share/doc/quota/ |
| 20:43.34 | kombi | there must be /usr/share/doc/quota then |
| 20:44.12 | niles | sigh. |
| 20:44.12 | NiCeBoY | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.13 | NiCeBoY | ok |
| 20:44.16 | niles | windows are not shown on my top pannel. why? |
| 20:44.34 | NiCeBoY | bash: /usr/share/doc/quota/: is a directory |
| 20:44.48 | *** join/#debian taylor (n=taylor@dsl-47-181.nas.com) |
| 20:44.49 | kombi | and in it, is there some doc? |
| 20:44.52 | niles | how else will i return minimized windows to the foreground? |
| 20:45.10 | tralala | niles: alt+tab? |
| 20:45.36 | niles | why are they not in the pannel in the first place? |
| 20:45.39 | NiCeBoY | when i do the command "free -m" it displays me the memory usage in bytes i think any one know a command which display it in mb or gb plz? |
| 20:45.41 | *** join/#debian heatxsink (n=heatxsin@adsl-75-7-89-236.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:45.54 | *** join/#debian jende_ (n=jende@p57A2EF72.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:45.55 | niles | so i can simply look at what windows are in which workspaces. |
| 20:45.59 | dondelelcaro | NiCeBoY: free -m shows it to you in megabytes. |
| 20:46.09 | jende_ | Hi folks! |
| 20:46.14 | *** join/#debian eipihipl (n=theo@c-f52ae655.31-4-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 20:46.19 | eipihipl | i can't kill a process |
| 20:46.19 | niles | with out haveing to alt-tab through each and every single possible window. |
| 20:46.22 | niles | sigh. |
| 20:46.28 | eipihipl | with kill -9. its wine:d |
| 20:46.33 | kingsley_ | Why would "xhost +" allow root using the console to open an X window, but "xhost +localhost" and "xhost +127.0.0.1" do not? |
| 20:46.34 | dondelelcaro | eipihipl: what state is the process in? |
| 20:46.38 | dondelelcaro | !xhost |
| 20:46.39 | dpkg | from memory, xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 20:46.41 | NiCeBoY | dondelelcaro and if i want to get it in gb mate? |
| 20:46.44 | jende_ | what is the file for xorg in where I can configure my monitor resolution |
| 20:46.49 | tralala | niles: because you haven't configured it perhaps |
| 20:46.54 | kombi | niceboy: calculate |
| 20:46.55 | dondelelcaro | NiCeBoY: then free -g |
| 20:47.00 | niles | where is there such an option. |
| 20:47.03 | NiCeBoY | ah thats the te chniks |
| 20:47.07 | niles | not in it's properties |
| 20:47.12 | dondelelcaro | NiCeBoY: man free; is your friend. |
| 20:47.15 | tralala | niles: what are you running? |
| 20:47.20 | jende_ | what is the file for xorg in where I can configure my monitor resolution |
| 20:47.23 | niles | gnome |
| 20:47.25 | niles | sarge |
| 20:47.32 | jende_ | is it xorg.conf |
| 20:47.51 | *** join/#debian outlaw84 (n=mihaly@h201n1c1o912.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 20:48.06 | cydork | dpkg, drxx jende_ |
| 20:48.06 | dpkg | jende_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:48.09 | eipihipl | dondelelcaro: theo 8534 4.6 13.8 2680568 71464 ? D 22:14 1:35 .wine/drive_c/Program Files/DC++/DCPlusPlus.exe |
| 20:48.22 | dondelelcaro | eipihipl: it's in D; it can't be killed until the IO times out. |
| 20:48.29 | *** join/#debian poraki_poralli (n=lluis@161.Red-80-37-210.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:48.30 | tralala | niles: try creating a new user and run gnome with the new user. If the windows are shown (and they should be) then you've messed up your settings |
| 20:48.33 | *** part/#debian poraki_poralli (n=lluis@161.Red-80-37-210.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:48.40 | outlaw84 | I would like to prevent apt from upgrading apache, when I preform a dist-upgrade, how can I do this? |
| 20:48.51 | douglas | NiCeBoY: maybe ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Quota |
| 20:48.51 | dondelelcaro | outlaw84: hold apache; /msg dpkg hold |
| 20:48.58 | douglas | not debian specific though |
| 20:49.21 | eipihipl | dondelelcaro: what:s this process type which you told me about.. D and such |
| 20:49.27 | eipihipl | the name of* |
| 20:49.41 | NiCeBoY | douglas thx |
| 20:49.49 | douglas | no problem buddy |
| 20:49.52 | *** join/#debian J-PGuerard (i=tylor@moinmoin/fan/JPG) |
| 20:50.12 | outlaw84 | dondelelcaro: where am I suppose too write 'hold apache'? |
| 20:50.13 | dondelelcaro | eipihipl: it means the process is in uninteruptible IO sleep. |
| 20:50.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell outlaw84 -about hold |
| 20:50.28 | *** join/#debian cellofellow (n=josh@69.71.163.134) |
| 20:50.35 | jende_ | cydork: thanks, dpkg-reconfigure will be my friend... |
| 20:50.39 | jende_ | bfn |
| 20:50.49 | *** part/#debian jende_ (n=jende@p57A2EF72.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:50.51 | *** join/#debian qailer (n=qailer@c80-217-91-17.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 20:50.53 | douglas | dpkg-reconfigure is definitely totally sweet |
| 20:51.46 | cellofellow | can I get some help on a Samba print server? |
| 20:51.48 | *** join/#debian Inazad (n=inazad@c66.203.216-45.clta.globetrotter.net) |
| 20:51.57 | douglas | cellofellow: you gotta just ask the question |
| 20:52.14 | *** join/#debian rockzman (n=alch3mis@201-13-149-151.dial-up.telesp.net.br) |
| 20:52.35 | rockzman | could anyone help me setting up my prism intersil usb wireless adapter |
| 20:52.48 | cydork | !prism |
| 20:52.48 | dpkg | i heard prism is http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_chipset.php?chipset=Prism&zoek=Show |
| 20:52.59 | cellofellow | well, I'm on Sarge net-installed so minimal. I can't get guest printing to work. |
| 20:53.01 | outlaw84 | dondelelcaro: Do I just use the same command to "unhold" the package? |
| 20:53.27 | douglas | cellofellow: you got cups fired up? |
| 20:53.40 | dondelelcaro | outlaw84: almost; you can either specifically indicate a version to upgrade it to, or you can just echo 'apache installed' |dpkg --set-selections; |
| 20:53.52 | cellofellow | douglas: yes. that works. Linux client can print to cups printer just fine. |
| 20:53.57 | kombi | cellofellow: edited smb.conf? |
| 20:54.01 | dondelelcaro | outlaw84: this is also really easy to change in aptitude; you just use the curses interface and hit h. |
| 20:54.02 | cellofellow | too much |
| 20:54.08 | dondelelcaro | (or + if you just want it installed) |
| 20:54.20 | rockzman | cydork i appreciate ur help, but my module is correctly up it is something weirdo happening |
| 20:54.27 | rockzman | i have my wlan0 interface up |
| 20:54.31 | douglas | cellofellow: so it thinks it works but the printer suggests otherwise? |
| 20:54.42 | cydork | rockzman, and?? |
| 20:54.47 | rockzman | but i cant set even essid using |
| 20:54.48 | rockzman | iwconfig |
| 20:55.11 | cellofellow | douglas: no. I can print the linux way with cups, but windows clients can't connect. It's a samba thing. |
| 20:55.19 | douglas | Ohhhhh |
| 20:55.24 | cydork | rockzman, what happens if you do?? |
| 20:55.25 | rockzman | cydork it says "operation not supported" |
| 20:55.30 | douglas | can you share directories? |
| 20:55.34 | tralala | rockzman: your driver sucketh |
| 20:55.36 | cellofellow | I may have messed up my master browser settings cause none of the windows pc's can browse anything. |
| 20:55.38 | *** join/#debian roler (n=a@pool-71-109-251-62.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 20:55.47 | douglas | but at one point it worked? |
| 20:55.48 | cellofellow | douglas: no, I used to but messed somethingup. |
| 20:55.54 | cellofellow | yes. |
| 20:56.07 | rockzman | tralala you mean by? |
| 20:56.11 | douglas | you might want to take gsambad for a spin, a smb.conf thingy. |
| 20:56.16 | rockzman | tralala i tried 2 different drivers |
| 20:56.19 | cydork | rockzman, which driver are you using? |
| 20:56.19 | rockzman | 1 in slackware |
| 20:56.32 | rockzman | cydork ubuntu 6.06 default prism2_usb |
| 20:56.33 | cellofellow | douglas: i've been using SWAT, but that's not working out. |
| 20:56.47 | cellofellow | douglas: no X, only SSH and web. |
| 20:56.49 | douglas | i had luck with gsambad after many hours of frustration |
| 20:56.51 | cydork | rockzman, then you should ask #ubuntu |
| 20:56.51 | douglas | oh |
| 20:57.09 | rockzman | not about distribuctions |
| 20:57.15 | kombi | cellofellow: alway back up config files before editing them. Try the original config maybe |
| 20:57.16 | rockzman | cydork just prism2_usb |
| 20:57.21 | douglas | well, i googled around for someone else's smb.conf and that helped me make some progress |
| 20:57.22 | tralala | rockzman: ##linux |
| 20:57.31 | douglas | as i had broked my own beyond recognition |
| 20:57.45 | cellofellow | kombi: lost the original. should I purge-uninstall and then reinstall. |
| 20:57.45 | *** join/#debian jesseman_ (n=jesse@c-68-58-211-76.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) |
| 20:57.53 | rockzman | tralala tell me, is it bad driver? |
| 20:57.59 | rockzman | not about my adapter firmware |
| 20:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 714] by debhelper |
| 20:58.00 | rockzman | ? |
| 20:58.22 | kombi | possibly, but finding a smb.conf should be managable too |
| 20:58.32 | tralala | rockzman: My guess is that the driver is not ready for use. This is the case with a lot of wireless linux drivers |
| 20:58.51 | cellofellow | kombi: are the defaults or samples available somewhere? |
| 20:59.03 | tralala | which is also why they are not in linux yet |
| 20:59.10 | *** part/#debian cydork (n=vihang@213-140-21-233.fastres.net) |
| 20:59.18 | rockzman | tralala ok, do you suggest me to get another one? |
| 20:59.57 | cellofellow | one of my problems is that usernames don't work because I haven't set up a domain controller. |
| 20:59.57 | tralala | another what? |
| 21:00.08 | *** join/#debian Feax-Crysis (n=Feax@AAmiens-152-1-35-189.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:00.08 | kombi | http://de.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/SuSE/2.2/src/smb.conf for instance, first search result on www.samba.org |
| 21:00.15 | *** join/#debian punkerfrancais (n=punkerfr@lns-bzn-37-82-253-22-137.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 21:00.16 | *** join/#debian niles (n=gamer@156.12.180.133) |
| 21:00.19 | *** join/#debian mirak (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-103-174.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:00.53 | kombi | cellofellow: are your clients in a domain? |
| 21:00.53 | niles | what settings are there to mess up so I can "un-mess" them up. to see the windows in my top pannel that is. |
| 21:01.13 | niles | absolutly nothing in the properties |
| 21:01.14 | cellofellow | kombi: no, just a workgroup |
| 21:01.19 | kombi | un-mess them up, good one |
| 21:01.23 | rockzman | tralala another driver |
| 21:01.35 | rockzman | i dont see any other driver for my usb wireless adapter that is so sa |
| 21:01.36 | rockzman | sad |
| 21:01.39 | kombi | cellofellow: have you set up sambapasswds? |
| 21:01.43 | tralala | rockzman: I don't think you'll be able to find another one |
| 21:01.44 | craigevil | isnt the thing to show apps in the panel systemtray? |
| 21:02.00 | douglas | niles: what happened, dist upgraded to experimental and having morning-after regret? |
| 21:02.13 | cellofellow | kombi: I try but using the command the smbpasswd file doesn't exist or something. It doesn't make one when I add users and set passwords. |
| 21:02.26 | kombi | are u root? |
| 21:02.27 | niles | i pulled my hard drive out of a defective computer, and put it in an other one. |
| 21:02.31 | douglas | cellofellow: I'm out of ideas for you man.. good luck with that |
| 21:02.36 | cellofellow | kombi: yeah, i am. |
| 21:02.40 | niles | i dont see how that is relevent though. |
| 21:02.50 | kombi | purge reinstall |
| 21:02.51 | tralala | rockzman: you wanna know what's really sad? Try using a wireless driver that works with x86 on amd64. |
| 21:02.57 | george_ | rockzman: one thing we know about sadness.. is lots of people can be all sad together or one person can be sad by themselves... sadder, but only to that person |
| 21:03.04 | cellofellow | kombi: samba? |
| 21:03.10 | kombi | yep |
| 21:03.18 | cellofellow | ok |
| 21:03.32 | rockzman | george_ thank you that conforts me that i wont be able to have internet connection because there is no driver for my adapter |
| 21:03.38 | rockzman | and the one existing is fake one :P |
| 21:03.42 | george_ | I didn |
| 21:03.51 | george_ | 't say ANYTHING about that :P |
| 21:03.54 | cellofellow | server is slow |
| 21:04.00 | *** join/#debian Alakazamz0r (i=mike@cpe-72-177-236-10.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 21:04.18 | *** join/#debian bit0 (n=jose@61.Red-80-24-119.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:04.42 | douglas | niles: Let me see if i have this right. You have a window manager taskbar/pannel thing that isn't doing anything? |
| 21:05.07 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=vihang@213-140-21-233.fastres.net) |
| 21:05.08 | black_13 | is serlook available for debian |
| 21:05.09 | george_ | there's something we know about happiness too... happy people have read the hardware compatibility list before buying new hardware |
| 21:05.29 | niles | no it has the tools that i put up there (works space switcher) but it is woefully failing to display the windows in the pannel. |
| 21:05.31 | cydork | !tell black_13 -about search |
| 21:05.35 | niles | douglas ^ |
| 21:05.38 | george_ | black_13: does it come as source? |
| 21:05.42 | black_13 | yes |
| 21:05.47 | cellofellow | I'm a kubuntu guy, so is there a repo similar to universe for debian? |
| 21:05.52 | black_13 | its why i asked |
| 21:05.55 | george_ | then quite probably you can build it |
| 21:05.56 | douglas | niles: did you try removing the panel and adding a new one? |
| 21:06.00 | tralala | george_: if only it was as simple as this... especially with recent hardware |
| 21:06.29 | cydork | cellofellow, debian has non-free |
| 21:06.34 | george_ | tralala: what's the general situation these days? |
| 21:06.35 | black_13 | george_ no end of hell buiding it |
| 21:06.35 | tralala | cellofellow: I'm a debian guy so... what's universe? |
| 21:06.45 | *** part/#debian liran- (n=Liran@212.199.177.207.static.012.net.il) |
| 21:06.47 | black_13 | george_ or trying |
| 21:07.04 | george_ | black_13: what kinds of errors do you get |
| 21:07.05 | niles | douglas: i just did that. an other failed experiement. |
| 21:07.07 | *** join/#debian inimesekene (n=inimesek@217-159-182-107-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) |
| 21:07.08 | cellofellow | tralala: lol. universe is the free packages that aren't supported by canonical. |
| 21:07.10 | tralala | george_: for wireless and laptops pertty bad |
| 21:07.19 | cellofellow | tralala: extras |
| 21:07.29 | douglas | niles: which window manager are you using? |
| 21:07.35 | dockane_ | i need the Xlib header files to coompile wm. is libx11-dev the right packet? |
| 21:07.38 | *** join/#debian SeanTater (n=sean@cpe-069-132-052-158.carolina.res.rr.com) |
| 21:07.52 | niles | douglas: what ever the defualt one is for gnome in sarge |
| 21:08.02 | DaBlade | What's the quickest way of determining whether a package is installed? |
| 21:08.03 | george_ | xlibs-dev maybe? |
| 21:08.05 | tralala | cellofellow: the official debian archive is *HUGE*. Besides that there are a few unofficial ones that include stuff not in debian. |
| 21:08.15 | cellofellow | tralala: ok |
| 21:08.33 | *** join/#debian jpin (n=jpinto@jpinto.nmsu.edu) |
| 21:08.44 | george_ | probably debian has the largest number of packages... a situation most developers did NOT want |
| 21:09.00 | douglas | niles: i'm sorry but i'm a kde guy... if no one else has anything for you i would try asking in #gnome |
| 21:09.11 | DaBlade | At the risk of sounding like a broken record: |
| 21:09.12 | DaBlade | What's the quickest way of determining whether a package is installed? |
| 21:09.20 | *** join/#debian ascii_ (n=ascii@ALagny-151-1-24-153.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:09.24 | niles | douglas: thank you |
| 21:09.29 | george_ | DaBlade: dpkg --help |
| 21:09.34 | cellofellow | DaBlade: aptitude search packagename |
| 21:09.38 | *** join/#debian seb- (n=seb-@ppp-63-204-112-33.dialup.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 21:09.45 | seb- | how extract a deb package to /tmp ? |
| 21:09.47 | cellofellow | DaBlade: show package status |
| 21:10.03 | DaBlade | dpkg show packagename status? |
| 21:10.13 | george_ | seb-: a .deb is a .ar with two tarballs and a text file |
| 21:10.46 | cydork | seb-, man dpkg |
| 21:11.35 | george_ | with that info you should be able to extract any part of the package to anywhere |
| 21:11.35 | *** join/#debian ktwilight (n=ktwiligh@104.107-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 21:11.39 | cellofellow | DaBlade: dpkg -l lists all packages. pipe to grep to look at specific ones. |
| 21:11.50 | DaBlade | cellofellow: Thanks |
| 21:11.53 | cellofellow | DaBlade: dpkg -l | grep string |
| 21:12.02 | DaBlade | Yeah, I know how to do grep |
| 21:12.07 | cellofellow | sorry |
| 21:12.16 | tralala | last time I extracted a deb package to /tmp it trashed the /tmps permissions leading to me being unable to start X |
| 21:12.18 | *** join/#debian chap (n=chap@p549CC2DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:13.02 | cydork | tralala, try it again :P |
| 21:13.26 | tralala | cydork: I can't wait to lay my hands on another package to try again ;) |
| 21:13.27 | madclicker | which program controls usb sticks when inserted/ |
| 21:13.29 | madclicker | ? |
| 21:13.39 | tralala | hotplug/udev |
| 21:14.08 | *** join/#debian Quark (n=AC@host71-124-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:14.11 | cydork | madclicker, but it doesn't mount it just creates the devices. |
| 21:15.10 | cydork | cydork, you can use ivman or gnome-volume-manager if you are using gnome. no idea about kde :P |
| 21:15.11 | *** join/#debian braddcadd2000 (n=braddcad@70.152.189.95) |
| 21:15.12 | *** join/#debian x_link (i=sedde@c83-249-194-173.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 21:15.21 | Feax-Crysis | how can I show http://www.pop-radio.de/stream_2_video.pls ? xmms crash when I try with it :S |
| 21:15.32 | tralala | cydork: stop talking to yourself already! |
| 21:15.35 | x_link | SHIT !!! |
| 21:15.42 | x_link | I turned of my computer while it was doing something. |
| 21:15.47 | cydork | tralala, too much beer :P |
| 21:15.52 | *** join/#debian Sparda (n=Sparda@88.122.134.41) |
| 21:15.54 | x_link | Then I couldn't restart etc, but now I could. |
| 21:16.03 | x_link | I really hope I didn't damage any file(s) |
| 21:16.14 | tralala | x_link: ext3? |
| 21:16.15 | Gnurdux | x_link, what filesystem are you using? |
| 21:16.23 | Gnurdux | probably ext3 |
| 21:16.26 | Gnurdux | ext3 has a journal |
| 21:16.28 | x_link | Yeah |
| 21:16.29 | x_link | hrmm |
| 21:16.34 | Gnurdux | automatically fixes errors on boot |
| 21:16.36 | x_link | Yes, I have messed it up |
| 21:16.38 | *** join/#debian techno-powaz (n=techno-p@AAmiens-152-1-43-108.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:16.41 | Gnurdux | so you should be fine |
| 21:16.44 | techno-powaz | hi |
| 21:16.47 | x_link | Gnurdux: Okey. |
| 21:16.48 | Gnurdux | x_link, what have you messed up? |
| 21:17.03 | *** join/#debian kingsley (n=kingsley@dsl-47-181.nas.com) |
| 21:17.06 | x_link | Everytime I open something I get a window |
| 21:17.06 | *** join/#debian Kurt (i=1000@evvlinlwt-nas-07-s223.cinergycom.net) |
| 21:17.12 | pelzi_ | no, no, no. |
| 21:17.16 | tralala | x_link: the chances are that nothing will be wrong except some data loss perhaps |
| 21:17.21 | pelzi_ | a journal does not mean files are not damaged. |
| 21:17.22 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, try mplayer |
| 21:17.22 | x_link | Okey |
| 21:17.39 | *** join/#debian SubStack (n=queso@137.229.103.85) |
| 21:17.42 | *** join/#debian Bertram (n=yohann@ADijon-256-1-113-85.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:17.44 | x_link | I will copy the "error" message to pastebin.ca |
| 21:17.57 | x_link | Why did I do this !?!?!?! |
| 21:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 724] by debhelper |
| 21:18.04 | x_link | I'm SO STUPID ! |
| 21:18.06 | pelzi_ | a journal lets fsck work faster and better at boot to return the filesystem into a consistent state. it does nothing for the contents of files |
| 21:18.10 | cydork | !comfort x_link |
| 21:18.11 | dpkg | There, there, x_link. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:18.19 | Gnurdux | what were you doing when it turned off? |
| 21:18.24 | douglas | x_link: you're being too hard on yourself |
| 21:18.25 | x_link | When I just opened firefox it closed itself |
| 21:18.38 | *** join/#debian kblin (n=kai@worldforge.de) |
| 21:18.43 | kblin | hi |
| 21:18.48 | x_link | Gnurdux: Something in konsole, I don't remember, my mind is all MESSED up now |
| 21:18.51 | Gnurdux | x_link, you probably havent screwed anything up |
| 21:18.52 | douglas | kblin: how's it hanging. |
| 21:18.54 | x_link | I can't open FireFox |
| 21:18.58 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: mozilla-mplayer ? in apt-get ? |
| 21:19.01 | *** join/#debian wols (n=klingens@p549DFDFD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:19.03 | kblin | what's the path to the aptitude cache file? |
| 21:19.05 | Gnurdux | x_link, what about other programs |
| 21:19.05 | braddcadd2000 | svn error: "svn: PROPFIND request failed" (any help?) |
| 21:19.06 | x_link | Gnurdux: Can I paste 3-5 lines on PM to you ? |
| 21:19.10 | kblin | I seem to have a stale lock on that |
| 21:19.14 | Gnurdux | !pastebin |
| 21:19.14 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 21:19.16 | x_link | Cause I can't open firefox, it closesi itself. |
| 21:19.20 | Gnurdux | ohh |
| 21:19.22 | Gnurdux | sure |
| 21:19.25 | douglas | Feax-Crysis: I think you're gonna need to install mplayer manually and then pop in the apt plugin package |
| 21:19.27 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, na just mplayer, mozilla-mplayer is plugin for mozilla/firefox |
| 21:19.35 | kblin | douglas, well, missing some super cow powers on aptitude, it seems ;) |
| 21:19.38 | amphi | x_link: try starting it from an xterm, and see if there is any useful message |
| 21:19.43 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: how do I install it so ? |
| 21:19.57 | cydork | !marlliat |
| 21:19.57 | douglas | kblin: http://www3.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/MPlayer-1.0pre8.tar.bz2 |
| 21:20.02 | douglas | i know it's a bummer |
| 21:20.07 | x_link | It's 4 lines, can I paste it here ? |
| 21:20.10 | cydork | !marillat |
| 21:20.10 | dpkg | i guess marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 21:20.13 | amphi | x_link: no |
| 21:20.15 | x_link | Okey. |
| 21:20.15 | douglas | but mplayer's not that bad at compiling without any tricks needed |
| 21:20.24 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, check what dpkg said ^^ |
| 21:20.37 | tralala | x_link: use a pastebin with another browser |
| 21:20.39 | x_link | all programs are taking a long time to start |
| 21:20.46 | cydork | douglas, it's available that that site .. no need to compile |
| 21:20.48 | kblin | douglas, what does mplayer have to do with aptitude? |
| 21:20.56 | Gnurdux | ok it sounds like x_link's filesystem is mounted readonly |
| 21:20.59 | Gnurdux | for some reason |
| 21:21.21 | Gnurdux | x_link, do you get any errors on boot? |
| 21:21.21 | douglas | kblin: little because of complicated legal/philosophical reasons or something like that. |
| 21:21.22 | kblin | and why would I install a media player on a headless server box? |
| 21:21.27 | Gnurdux | wait 1 thing |
| 21:21.30 | Gnurdux | do an fsck |
| 21:21.30 | x_link | Gnurdux: maybe |
| 21:21.34 | x_link | Now ? |
| 21:21.39 | Gnurdux | sure |
| 21:21.42 | x_link | ok |
| 21:21.47 | douglas | kblin: so mplayer won't make the cut, but a related program that isn't the program itself is kosher for apt |
| 21:21.47 | kblin | douglas, I'm sure you're mistaking me for someone.. |
| 21:21.52 | Gnurdux | fsck will probably fix whatever is wrong |
| 21:21.54 | douglas | oh |
| 21:21.57 | x_link | It's takes a long time to evenjust open a New Session with konsole |
| 21:22.13 | *** join/#debian Digamma (n=somebody@bas2-kingston08-1167934593.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 21:22.14 | *** join/#debian madclicker (n=madclick@216.123.169.252) |
| 21:22.22 | Gnurdux | x_link, that error suggests your filesystem is mounted readonly |
| 21:22.34 | x_link | Then I should say yes to all questions, right ? |
| 21:22.36 | Gnurdux | so its probably osmehow screwed up |
| 21:22.39 | Gnurdux | fsck should fix it |
| 21:22.40 | kblin | I'm trying to get a fix for "W: Warning: could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode" |
| 21:22.54 | Gnurdux | what questions does it ask? |
| 21:23.17 | x_link | I can't translate some of the things to english |
| 21:23.22 | Digamma | Every time I download a netinst; it turns out corrupt |
| 21:23.24 | *** join/#debian DaBlade (n=linuxp2p@unaffiliated/dablade) |
| 21:23.24 | x_link | I should have done LANG=C fsck |
| 21:23.34 | x_link | Then the output would be in english |
| 21:23.47 | x_link | Gnurdux: What will happen if I close that session now ? With fsck |
| 21:23.51 | x_link | bad ? |
| 21:24.01 | Gnurdux | x_link, why would you do that/ |
| 21:24.04 | Gnurdux | also: whats it doing? |
| 21:24.17 | Gnurdux | if it hasnt started yet, just kill it with ctrl-C |
| 21:24.23 | x_link | Okey |
| 21:24.24 | Gnurdux | it hasnt started going, right? |
| 21:24.39 | x_link | It stopped cause it asks me something |
| 21:24.57 | x_link | It just jumped down 3 lines, |
| 21:25.11 | Gnurdux | did it quit when you did ctrl-C |
| 21:25.25 | x_link | I haven't quit yet. |
| 21:25.32 | Gnurdux | if its not actually started the check, then you can close the session |
| 21:25.49 | x_link | I want to put LANG=C before fsck, cause then I can just copy(paste the output, now I can't cause I don't know how to translate everything |
| 21:26.41 | Gnurdux | ok, then close the session |
| 21:26.44 | x_link | So.. now I did LANG=C fsck. |
| 21:26.47 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 21:26.49 | Gnurdux | good |
| 21:26.56 | x_link | now I can show the output, if this damn firefox doesn't close itself. |
| 21:27.05 | x_link | Konqueror insted., |
| 21:27.30 | x_link | I got that message with Konqueror as well Gnurdux. The message that I showed you before. |
| 21:27.43 | x_link | Gnurdux: I can't connect to google neither =( |
| 21:27.48 | *** join/#debian godzirra (n=shawn@c-68-57-151-199.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 21:27.48 | Gnurdux | yes, its because your filesystem is mounted read-only |
| 21:27.54 | x_link | I think it's better if I go back to Windows XP |
| 21:27.59 | godzirra | ok, I installed apache, then tried to uninstall it because I was trying to get the original httpd.conf back |
| 21:28.00 | x_link | I'm so stupid |
| 21:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 717] by debhelper |
| 21:28.03 | Gnurdux | no, do the lang=C fsck |
| 21:28.06 | x_link | I did |
| 21:28.09 | godzirra | now I get an error saying that its already installed. |
| 21:28.12 | x_link | But where should I paste it ? |
| 21:28.17 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 21:28.20 | godzirra | How do I completely remove all traces of apache and reinstall from scratch on my debian system? |
| 21:28.31 | Gnurdux | x_link, paste in privmsg to me |
| 21:28.35 | x_link | Okey |
| 21:28.36 | Gnurdux | if its only a few lines |
| 21:28.39 | x_link | Thanks man ! |
| 21:28.42 | x_link | yeah |
| 21:29.12 | cydork | !tell godzirra -about purge |
| 21:29.12 | Gnurdux | <x_link> Superblock has an invalid ext3 journal (inode 8). |
| 21:29.12 | Gnurdux | <x_link> Clear<y>? |
| 21:29.16 | godzirra | thank |
| 21:29.17 | *** join/#debian sandrinah (n=sandrina@88.161.129.91) |
| 21:29.17 | godzirra | s |
| 21:29.27 | Gnurdux | should he say y? |
| 21:29.46 | bsmntbombdood | cycle |
| 21:30.32 | sandrinah | hi all |
| 21:31.04 | kblin | ah, I fixed it |
| 21:31.06 | kblin | bye |
| 21:31.07 | sandrinah | Woudl you know some link to documentation about how to generate new pdiff/DiffIndex into debian repos? |
| 21:31.08 | *** part/#debian kblin (n=kai@worldforge.de) |
| 21:31.19 | Gnurdux | PEOPLE SHOULD x_link say y to <x_link> Superblock has an invalid ext3 journal (inode 8). |
| 21:31.19 | Gnurdux | <x_link> Clear<y>? |
| 21:31.45 | *** join/#debian Thaiger (n=fenrir@131.216.83.105) |
| 21:31.46 | Digamma | I am doing the net install like you all begged me to |
| 21:32.00 | Digamma | I'll retract the beg part please |
| 21:32.05 | *** part/#debian bsmntbombdood (n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood) |
| 21:32.05 | *** join/#debian junix659 (n=andrew@71-85-145-198.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 21:32.07 | *** join/#debian bsmntbombdood (n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood) |
| 21:32.18 | *** join/#debian AfterDeath (n=AftrDaet@about/copyleft/user/afterdeath) |
| 21:33.09 | Digamma | !docs |
| 21:33.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, docs is before asking in here, *please* read the available documentation in /usr/share/doc/packagename, man packagename, and http://linuxdoc.org/, or some packages have separate doc packages (e.g. bash-doc), or try the 'info' system |
| 21:33.13 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (n=lordlame@p548ED51D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:33.17 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 21:33.35 | Gnurdux | i dunno what to tell you x_link vecayse nobody is listening |
| 21:33.49 | x_link | Okey. |
| 21:33.50 | x_link | Np. |
| 21:34.07 | Firestarter_ | I usually just answere yes to those |
| 21:34.16 | Firestarter_ | do you have any important data on this box? |
| 21:34.27 | x_link | hrmm |
| 21:34.31 | x_link | I have 2 hdds |
| 21:34.36 | x_link | Which one of them Firestarter_ ? |
| 21:34.49 | amphi | x_link: it's checking / ? |
| 21:34.52 | *** join/#debian jean_n (n=jean_n@84.112.12.220) |
| 21:35.01 | x_link | Some of the data are important, yes |
| 21:35.07 | x_link | amphi: ? |
| 21:35.22 | Firestarter_ | if there is nothing on the partition you have debian on then just press y |
| 21:35.28 | Gnurdux | x_link, do y |
| 21:35.30 | amphi | x_link: what partition is fsck checking? |
| 21:35.46 | Thaiger | Does anyone know if I can get shred to securely wipe the free space on a partition? |
| 21:35.50 | x_link | How can I see that ? |
| 21:35.56 | x_link | Gnurdux: Okey. |
| 21:36.27 | x_link | /dev/hd1 I believe, cause it said something about it now |
| 21:36.33 | Gnurdux | *hda1 |
| 21:37.03 | *** part/#debian braddcadd2000 (n=braddcad@70.152.189.95) |
| 21:37.07 | amphi | x_link: ah - that's your / partition |
| 21:37.09 | Gnurdux | <x_link> *** ext3 journal has been deleted - filesystem is now ext2 only *** |
| 21:37.30 | Gnurdux | how would he recreate a journal |
| 21:37.44 | x_link | I think I should press "y" in all of them |
| 21:37.51 | Gnurdux | probably yes |
| 21:37.55 | x_link | I think I have done this once before, but via Ubuntu Live CD |
| 21:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 710] by debhelper |
| 21:38.05 | Gnurdux | but somehow your gonna want to recreate a journal |
| 21:38.11 | x_link | Okey |
| 21:38.11 | Gnurdux | i dunno how one would go about doing that |
| 21:38.18 | Gnurdux | but im sure someone here does |
| 21:38.24 | amphi | x_link: tune2fs perhaps |
| 21:38.30 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: when I try to extract mplayer that say tar: bzip2: ne peut exec: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 21:38.31 | x_link | Gnurdux: So I should just press "y" all the time now ? |
| 21:38.46 | Gnurdux | i guess, im not an expert on these things |
| 21:38.48 | x_link | amphi: Should I type that in that session ? Or start a new session and type that ? |
| 21:38.55 | *** join/#debian ArkoldThos (n=arkoldth@189.129.39.6) |
| 21:39.00 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, dont compile it. /msg dpkg marilliat |
| 21:39.05 | *** join/#debian pab (n=me@dsl231-036-052.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 21:39.10 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, it |
| 21:39.11 | *** join/#debian k1piee (n=flino@194.125.181.139) |
| 21:39.13 | *** join/#debian tminos (n=ben@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:0:0:0:33) |
| 21:39.16 | amphi | x_link: you can invoke fsck with the -y option to answer 'y' to all the questions |
| 21:39.18 | cydork | is there in that repo |
| 21:39.31 | amphi | x_link: wait until fsck finishes |
| 21:39.31 | cydork | damn... too much beer :P |
| 21:39.38 | x_link | amphi: Okey. |
| 21:39.39 | Gnurdux | i hope i didn't screw up your whole installation |
| 21:39.48 | x_link | amphi: So I dn't need to type "y" everytime ? |
| 21:40.10 | amphi | x_link: yeah, 'fsck -y' does it for you |
| 21:40.11 | black_13 | i cant get serlook to build for love or money |
| 21:40.16 | x_link | Cause I KNOW that this will take a while, it will ask ALOT of questions. |
| 21:40.29 | x_link | amphi: But where should I type that now ? Cause I can't close this session now ? |
| 21:40.47 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: I added the line and now ? |
| 21:41.08 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, apt-get update; apt-get install mplayer |
| 21:41.23 | Gnurdux | x_link, do ctrl-Z |
| 21:41.31 | Gnurdux | then type: yes | fg |
| 21:41.32 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: so the tar.bz2 I have download isnt requiered ? |
| 21:41.33 | amphi | x_link: you could ctrl-c the current fsck and start again |
| 21:41.42 | amphi | Gnurdux: heh |
| 21:41.47 | Gnurdux | oh, that doesnt work |
| 21:41.49 | Gnurdux | damn |
| 21:42.00 | Gnurdux | [1]+ Stopped cat |
| 21:42.00 | Gnurdux | gnurdux@Mikey:~$ yes | fg |
| 21:42.00 | Gnurdux | bash: fg: no job control |
| 21:42.03 | Gnurdux | :( |
| 21:42.03 | *** kick/#debian [Gnurdux!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 21:42.07 | *** join/#debian Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 21:42.10 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, that is a source package. if you use debian-multimedia.org in your sources.list you dont need that. |
| 21:42.38 | x_link | Okey |
| 21:42.53 | valdyn | Gnurdux: why not just 'fg' ? |
| 21:42.55 | x_link | But will it not harm/damage anything, cause I have already started ? |
| 21:42.58 | *** join/#debian dark_light (n=dark@unaffiliated/darklight) |
| 21:42.59 | enouf | x_link: maybe touch /forcefsck |
| 21:43.01 | orestyle3 | I cannot connect to a second debian MySQL DB through phpmyadmin. I have configured the settings and have a drop down list, but it seems that something is blocking the connection. Any ideas? |
| 21:43.11 | *** join/#debian DaBlade (n=linuxp2p@unaffiliated/dablade) |
| 21:43.20 | x_link | I will do Ctrl-C now then like you say |
| 21:43.36 | Gnurdux | valdyn, he wants to automatically answer yes to all the question |
| 21:43.41 | x_link | Okey, now you guys gave me 3 different options. |
| 21:43.44 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: with mplayer that doesnt work too :'( |
| 21:43.45 | x_link | Which command should I go with? |
| 21:44.02 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, what do you mean by doesn't work? |
| 21:44.14 | Feax-Crysis | http://www.pop-radio.de/stream_2_video.pls cydork |
| 21:44.20 | amphi | x_link: / is mounted ro, BTW? |
| 21:44.21 | Feax-Crysis | I want to look this :D |
| 21:44.36 | valdyn | Gnurdux: that tasks stdin is in /proc/<pid>, not sure if you can pipe yes through that though |
| 21:44.39 | x_link | amphi: Don't know |
| 21:44.44 | *** join/#debian conreyt (n=conreyt@dsl.76.240.networkiowa.com) |
| 21:44.54 | *** join/#debian live (n=live@per92-3-82-224-242-218.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:44.56 | x_link | Gnurdux: Which command should I type to answear yes to all of them ? |
| 21:45.03 | amphi | x_link: mount | grep hda1 will show you |
| 21:45.11 | Gnurdux | fsck -y |
| 21:45.12 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, mplayer -playlist http://www.pop-radio.de/stream_2_video.pls should work |
| 21:45.21 | enouf | x_link: you want to do that when it's not mounted .. guessing it's 'ro' only is not going to be helpful |
| 21:45.25 | orestyle3 | What command would I use to list used, open or closed ports? |
| 21:45.26 | amphi | x_link: you should make sure / is mounted ro before fscking |
| 21:45.44 | x_link | there is no grep command |
| 21:45.46 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: yes but I want too look at the video :p |
| 21:45.59 | live | hi all i m running xebian on my xbox now i upgraded and made a 2.6.16 kernel ..wroks nice but a small problem with fbdev driver in xorg all black colors appears as pink that suck any idear?? or a chann to ask |
| 21:46.00 | valdyn | enouf: ro is ok, but unmounting is required for safety after fsck changed anything |
| 21:46.08 | amphi | x_link: do an optical grep on the output of 'mount' |
| 21:46.27 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, belive me it's not worth it :P |
| 21:46.27 | x_link | How ? |
| 21:46.39 | Feax-Crysis | XD cydork ho can I see the video ? |
| 21:46.40 | enouf | x_link: touch /forcefsck should auto fsck upon a reboot |
| 21:46.54 | x_link | Okey |
| 21:46.56 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: |
| 21:47.02 | Feax-Crysis | Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: vp6vfw.dll, /vp6vfw.dll, /usr/lib/win32/vp6vfw.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/vp6vfw.dll |
| 21:47.02 | Feax-Crysis | Can't open library vp6vfw.dll |
| 21:47.02 | Feax-Crysis | ICOpen failed! unknown codec / wrong parameters? |
| 21:47.02 | Feax-Crysis | VDecoder init failed :( |
| 21:47.02 | Feax-Crysis | Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x32365056. |
| 21:47.02 | *** kick/#debian [Feax-Crysis!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 21:47.03 | enouf | valdyn: however I haven't seen any proof that it is ro .. I may have missed that though |
| 21:47.06 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, install w32codecs |
| 21:47.09 | amphi | x_link: for god's sake, type 'mount' and see if hda1 is mounted ro or rw ;) |
| 21:47.09 | *** join/#debian Feax-Crysis (n=Feax@AAmiens-152-1-35-189.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:47.10 | Feax-Crysis | sorry |
| 21:47.11 | *** join/#debian freeone3000 (n=james@64-193-216-210.wco.clearwire-dns.net) |
| 21:47.15 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, install w32codecs |
| 21:47.18 | *** join/#debian diskus_ (i=diskus@lelux.net) |
| 21:47.22 | x_link | ok |
| 21:47.23 | *** join/#debian Kurt (i=1000@evvlinlwt-nas-07-s254.cinergycom.net) |
| 21:47.34 | freeone3000 | How would I get a list of every package on my system? Can't seem to find the exact flag in help for either apt-get or dpkg |
| 21:47.43 | x_link | amphi: /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 21:47.52 | valdyn | freeone3000: dpkg -l | grep ^i |
| 21:47.55 | amphi | x_link: ro |
| 21:48.01 | amphi | x_link: er, rw ;) |
| 21:48.02 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Thanks. |
| 21:48.06 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, you really wanna watch this stupid video?? :P |
| 21:48.10 | enouf | !tell Feax-Crysis about flood |
| 21:48.18 | x_link | amphi: But I got more lines, but you just wanted that line, right ? |
| 21:48.22 | amphi | x_link: yes |
| 21:48.31 | *** part/#debian freeone3000 (n=james@64-193-216-210.wco.clearwire-dns.net) |
| 21:48.35 | x_link | Now I can do touch /forcefsck ? |
| 21:49.08 | amphi | x_link: you can do 'mount / -o remount,ro' |
| 21:49.10 | *** join/#debian raf256 (n=raf256@unaffiliated/raf256) |
| 21:49.17 | x_link | ok |
| 21:49.20 | *** join/#debian sabbat_ (n=sabbat@203-206-3-128.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 21:49.24 | orestyle3 | How do I list used ports? |
| 21:49.34 | amphi | x_link: you don't want things writing to the disk when fsck is running |
| 21:49.42 | x_link | amphi: Then ? |
| 21:49.48 | *** join/#debian sabbat_ (n=sabbat@203-206-3-128.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 21:49.55 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/home/sedde# mount / -o remount,ro |
| 21:49.55 | x_link | c83-249-192-67:/home/sedde# |
| 21:50.00 | amphi | x_link: that's why you mount it ro |
| 21:50.12 | *** join/#debian dark_light (n=dark@unaffiliated/darklight) |
| 21:50.20 | x_link | Okey. |
| 21:50.37 | x_link | So now I can do "touch /forcefsck ?` |
| 21:50.43 | amphi | x_link: 'ro' means read-only |
| 21:50.49 | x_link | Yeah I know =) |
| 21:50.54 | Feax-Crysis | yes cydork XD |
| 21:50.58 | x_link | amphi: can I run that comman dnow ? |
| 21:50.59 | amphi | x_link: why? do 'fsck -y /' |
| 21:51.03 | x_link | Okey |
| 21:51.12 | amphi | x_link: and pray ;) |
| 21:51.34 | enouf | amphi: I've seen stew tell others that command .. Supposedly it will do a fsck upon next bootup .. which is the best time to do it |
| 21:51.54 | amphi | enouf: it's not going to do -y for him though |
| 21:51.57 | x_link | amphi: I'am =) hehe |
| 21:51.57 | Feax-Crysis | cydork I cant open with mplayer normally ? because with that I cant touch the sound :'( |
| 21:52.18 | amphi | x_link: at the worst just reinstall ;) |
| 21:52.26 | x_link | amphi: I REALLY don't want that. =/ |
| 21:52.36 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, means?? |
| 21:52.42 | x_link | wow |
| 21:52.44 | x_link | Already done |
| 21:52.53 | x_link | System had been modified |
| 21:52.55 | x_link | reboot Linux |
| 21:52.57 | orestyle3 | how do I list all software I installed other than through say update or dist-upgrade? |
| 21:52.57 | amphi | x_link: I would remount rw and reboot |
| 21:53.01 | x_link | I guess I have to reboot now |
| 21:53.01 | Feax-Crysis | Feax-Crysis: how can I make the sound louder with this command ? |
| 21:53.08 | amphi | x_link: or just reboot, yeah |
| 21:53.17 | x_link | amphi: We can remount it first =) ? |
| 21:53.24 | x_link | So that's is done. |
| 21:53.37 | x_link | You know the best, I will do what you say. |
| 21:53.39 | amphi | Feax-Crysis: first sign of madness... |
| 21:53.49 | craigevil | orestyle3 apt-get install package or use aptitude, or Synaptic |
| 21:53.56 | Feax-Crysis | lol amphi |
| 21:54.24 | x_link | amphi: Should I reboot now or do the remount firs ? |
| 21:54.30 | x_link | First even. |
| 21:54.54 | x_link | I will reboot now..... |
| 21:54.55 | x_link | brb |
| 21:55.48 | orestyle3 | craigevil: But for packages. Say I installed Apache, then I installed apachetop, then removed apache. I would like to list the software like apachetop I installed to monitor apache. |
| 21:56.02 | *** join/#debian ChompWzrd (n=compwiz@d57-74-180.home.cgocable.net) |
| 21:56.23 | craigevil | apt-cache search package name |
| 21:56.43 | *** join/#debian odla (n=chatzill@ursus.biology.ualberta.ca) |
| 21:57.03 | orestyle3 | craigevil: what if you dont remember all the packages you have installed? Is there a way to list software installed I guess through aptitude? |
| 21:57.16 | *** join/#debian n3kl_ (n=n3kl@207-224-52-98.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 21:57.16 | warex | on which webpage do I check the version of a package |
| 21:57.19 | warex | ? |
| 21:57.22 | vorbote | orestyle3: deborphan would work there (althogh not sue ti would actually work in your presented case). |
| 21:57.28 | craigevil | !aptitude |
| 21:57.28 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 21:57.36 | vorbote | s/sue/sur/ |
| 21:57.38 | vorbote | sureç |
| 21:58.05 | orestyle3 | craigevil: I guess I could check out the aptitude logs to see what packages where installed over time... |
| 21:58.07 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, press / or * for that and check man |
| 21:58.30 | craigevil | thats one of the reasons i like Synaptic, its easier to find things |
| 21:58.45 | orestyle3 | craigevil: just looking for a down and dirty way to find those programs without having to stuble on them :) |
| 21:58.47 | cydork | craigevil, and apt-cache is difficult?? |
| 21:59.11 | craigevil | no but Synaptic you can browse and look at various apps |
| 21:59.29 | craigevil | makes it easy to find things you didnt know about, like all the games you can install |
| 21:59.48 | cydork | craigevil, you can serach with tags for that :P |
| 22:01.23 | *** join/#debian raz0 (n=raz0@213.237.16.85.adsl.sl.tiscali.dk) |
| 22:02.07 | *** join/#debian dn4 (n=werdna@cpe-24-26-255-182.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 22:03.20 | *** join/#debian reZo (n=reZo@124.197.13.174) |
| 22:04.31 | *** join/#debian deadcat_ (n=deadcat@c-71-193-45-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 22:06.39 | *** join/#debian qailer (n=qailer@c80-217-91-17.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 22:07.58 | *** join/#debian heatxsink (n=heatxsin@adsl-75-7-89-236.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 704] by debhelper |
| 22:08.08 | *** join/#debian Zygentoma (n=Robert@C8659.c.pppool.de) |
| 22:08.14 | *** join/#debian Digamma (n=somebody@bas2-kingston08-1167934058.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 22:08.57 | Digamma | Every single time I have tried to install debian netinst; I have recieved a corrupt disk |
| 22:09.16 | Digamma | I tried 4 different ISO's 3 different CD-RW's |
| 22:09.31 | Digamma | Is there one out there that Isn't soooooooooo anal? |
| 22:09.35 | Ronin | Digamma: did you do md5sum check? |
| 22:09.37 | *** join/#debian chap (n=chap@p549CC2DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:10.02 | Digamma | C'mon do you expect me to have PERFECT disks ALL the time? |
| 22:10.14 | Ronin | Digamma: did you do md5sum check on the isos you dl'd? |
| 22:10.16 | *** join/#debian Firztspawn (n=NoLimitz@unaffiliated/firztspawn) |
| 22:10.24 | *** join/#debian acidmelt (i=acidmelt@bzq-84-109-10-231.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 22:10.50 | Firztspawn | nice easy question... what version of xorg does sid use? |
| 22:10.52 | Digamma | no because I dont have the option to download it 10 times |
| 22:11.08 | craigevil | Sid is using Xorg7.1.1 |
| 22:11.15 | Ronin | ya it takes so much time to confirm the iso you got is goo |
| 22:11.19 | Ronin | good |
| 22:11.32 | Firztspawn | ok thanx |
| 22:11.50 | Digamma | screw this I'm just going to dl'd Knoppix |
| 22:12.16 | Ronin | have fun |
| 22:12.27 | Firztspawn | is xorg 6.8 still available throught apt ? |
| 22:13.28 | *** join/#debian syntaxx_ (n=syntaxx@unaffiliated/syntaxx) |
| 22:13.56 | *** join/#debian Zword (n=Zword@bos94-3-82-226-234-106.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:14.12 | vorbote | Firztspawn: why would you want such an old software= |
| 22:14.15 | vorbote | ? |
| 22:14.51 | Firztspawn | vorbote: I have a machine that xorg-7+ does weird stuff to keyboard-wise |
| 22:15.01 | Firztspawn | 6.8 is the only one I know that runs ok |
| 22:15.44 | *** join/#debian n3kl (n=n3kl@207-224-52-98.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 22:16.36 | vorbote | Firztspawn: i would rather expore what wrong with your keyboard and use xmodmap to fix it. |
| 22:16.54 | vorbote | s/expore/eexplore |
| 22:16.59 | karsten | !tell Firztspawn about backports |
| 22:17.09 | karsten | Hrm. Or snapshots maybe. |
| 22:17.15 | *** join/#debian jesseman_ (n=jesse@c-68-58-211-76.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) |
| 22:17.28 | karsten | Firztspawn: I'm with vorbote WRT xmodmap. |
| 22:18.17 | Firztspawn | in the end, the keyboard repeats under xorg-7 |
| 22:18.51 | karsten | Firztspawn: Um. OK, that's different. What's 'kbdrate' report? |
| 22:19.04 | vorbote | Firztspawn: in fact, the console in sid is is using the xorg keymaps |
| 22:19.33 | karsten | vorbote: It is? |
| 22:19.39 | Firztspawn | I have a minimal install disc of Sid from about 6 months ago |
| 22:19.42 | karsten | vorbote: console as in VC1-6? |
| 22:20.10 | *** join/#debian scrillaz (n=scrillaz@208.158.5.156) |
| 22:20.24 | *** join/#debian afx-twn (n=dubad0@87-196-56-137.net.novis.pt) |
| 22:20.48 | vorbote | karsten: yup. No more kludged keymap. Denian 5 is xkeyboard all the way. |
| 22:21.14 | *** part/#debian Zword (n=Zword@bos94-3-82-226-234-106.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:21.17 | karsten | Interesting. So no consolekeys? |
| 22:21.36 | *** join/#debian confrey (n=dario@ip-131-186.sn1.eutelia.it) |
| 22:21.46 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 22:22.27 | vorbote | karsten: xmopdmap all the way. |
| 22:22.35 | vorbote | smodpamap |
| 22:22.47 | *** join/#debian gasbag (n=gasbag@68-116-196-5.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 22:22.53 | *** join/#debian jelly (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 22:23.18 | confrey | I'm trying to use debian etch instead of ubuntu,but I can suspend my laptop, can you help me? |
| 22:23.43 | Gnurdux | you CAN |
| 22:23.51 | karsten | confrey: Um. Are you trying to install Debian packages on an Ubuntu system? |
| 22:23.52 | Gnurdux | its a general linux feature |
| 22:24.02 | confrey | Gnurdux, how? |
| 22:24.03 | Gnurdux | karsten, read what he said |
| 22:24.06 | karsten | Gnurdux: Doesn't work on all systems. |
| 22:24.10 | Gnurdux | confrey, i dont remember |
| 22:24.18 | Gnurdux | but you can do it with a console command i know |
| 22:24.20 | *** join/#debian SubStack (i=substack@49-134.wireless.uaf.edu) |
| 22:24.27 | Gnurdux | do you mean like windows "sleep" or "hibernate" |
| 22:24.40 | karsten | Gnurdux: Or more accurately, suspend (swsusp) works fine on my Thinkpad T21. It's the restore that's a bit dodgey. |
| 22:24.48 | *** join/#debian Xorm (n=ADD@adsl-68-126-183-142.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 22:25.02 | Gnurdux | karsten, if it worked in Ubuntu it will owrk in debian |
| 22:25.10 | Feax-Crysis | How can I connect with wifi with my laptop on debian ? |
| 22:25.14 | Gnurdux | since its through the kenrle |
| 22:25.24 | karsten | Gnurdux: Generally. |
| 22:25.52 | karsten | Feax-Crysis: install wifi driver, install wifi utils, configure wifi interface, bring up interface. |
| 22:25.56 | confrey | I need to suspend to ram my laptop, like ubuntu do it; some weeks ago I installed acpi-support from ubuntu, and it worked; now I have a more recent etch and I can't install acpi-support from ubuntu |
| 22:25.58 | karsten | Feax-Crysis: What's your card? |
| 22:26.12 | Ronin | confrey: of course you cant install it from ubuntu |
| 22:26.46 | Feax-Crysis | karsten: its Intel corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG network connection |
| 22:26.51 | confrey | why doesn't gnome-power-manager work? |
| 22:27.00 | *** join/#debian cougar` (n=Rick@c-68-45-214-101.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 22:27.24 | *** join/#debian chreekat_xca (n=bryanr@050.143-60-66.DIA-subnet.surewest.net) |
| 22:27.36 | confrey | Rockj, I mean : trying to install ubuntu's acpi-support deb package |
| 22:27.37 | karsten | !tell confrey about doesn't work |
| 22:28.22 | karsten | Feax-Crysis: Do you get an ethN device or, um, the other one. athN. Where N is {0,1,2,...} |
| 22:28.41 | Feax-Crysis | ôÔ ? where ? I am connected with erthernet actually on my laptop yes |
| 22:28.44 | *** join/#debian bemyguest (n=karlito@mts78-1-82-235-109-51.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:28.50 | confrey | karsten, Suspen Problem |
| 22:29.04 | confrey | I read the gnome faq, but nothing was interesting |
| 22:29.06 | vorbote | confrey: you really cannot. Ubunto has diverges a lot of Debian. |
| 22:29.08 | *** join/#debian keko_ (n=keko@dsl-aur-ff23c000-132.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 22:29.18 | *** join/#debian dansushi (n=dan@c-66-30-178-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 22:29.24 | confrey | vorbote, ok, I know it |
| 22:29.57 | Gnurdux | confrey, why dont you install a debian package? |
| 22:30.27 | confrey | vorbote, I prefere etch, because it work faster than ubuntu; but I can't suspend in etch, and I can do it in ubuntu; I don't like this thing , I want suspend in etch |
| 22:31.08 | confrey | Gnurdux, I don't understand your question; I have installed a entire distribution... |
| 22:31.09 | Gnurdux | confrey, do you mean suspend to DISK or to RAM |
| 22:31.19 | vorbote | confrey: what you can do is to download the debian source and cross-port it (scary but simple, I've done it). |
| 22:31.26 | Gnurdux | confrey: debian has its OWN packages |
| 22:31.53 | Gnurdux | believe it or not, most of ubuntu is based on debian packages |
| 22:31.58 | danieldg | confrey: have you tried using the same kernel? that is important in suspend |
| 22:31.59 | Gnurdux | and debian came long before ubuntu |
| 22:32.05 | keko_ | whitch package i must install apache2 to work with php5 |
| 22:32.08 | Gnurdux | and ubuntu uses the debian pakage manager |
| 22:32.16 | confrey | vorbote, do ypu mean acpi-support source from ubuntu? |
| 22:32.23 | *** join/#debian jimmiehansson (n=jimmie@unaffiliated/jimmiehansson) |
| 22:32.24 | Gnurdux | confrey: you could just apt-get install acpi-support |
| 22:32.25 | *** join/#debian enouf (n=enouf@ool-44c66c29.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:32.32 | Ronin | confrey: why not just use the native debian package? |
| 22:32.32 | Gnurdux | debian has the same package |
| 22:32.45 | confrey | Gnurdux, no |
| 22:33.07 | *** join/#debian AhrAsyL (n=QhrQsyL@AOrleans-151-1-70-96.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:33.10 | Gnurdux | confrey, why not? |
| 22:33.12 | confrey | Gnurdux, ubuntu's acpi-support is not the same of debian |
| 22:33.16 | *** join/#debian eastwood (n=maverick@87-196-8-102.net.novis.pt) |
| 22:33.18 | vorbote | confrey: yup |
| 22:33.20 | Gnurdux | and whats wrong with debians? |
| 22:33.40 | confrey | Gnurdux, in debian I can't suspend to ram |
| 22:33.44 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 22:33.57 | Gnurdux | 1 sec |
| 22:34.03 | *** join/#debian tachyonlnx (n=tachyonl@h-68-164-36-85.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 22:34.05 | tachyonlnx | hi |
| 22:34.21 | vorbote | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.27 | tachyonlnx | anyone know of a LVM2 guide for using root in lvm? |
| 22:34.29 | *** join/#debian moqq (n=mokka@c-67-190-243-98.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 22:34.36 | tachyonlnx | i would appreciate that a lot |
| 22:34.38 | confrey | so, I need help, please : is anybody here using a laptop with etch, and can suspend and resume ? |
| 22:34.44 | Gnurdux | confrey, why not apt-get install gnome-power-manager ? |
| 22:35.01 | simonrvn | tachyonlnx: www.tldp.org; google.com |
| 22:35.10 | confrey | Gnurdux, please read messages, I installed it, but it don'twork |
| 22:35.18 | Gnurdux | !didn'twork |
| 22:35.22 | Gnurdux | whatever |
| 22:35.23 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 22:35.28 | Gnurdux | what do you mean don't work? |
| 22:35.43 | moqq | the 'trac' package on packages.debian.org, it has a stable version and an unstable version |
| 22:35.50 | vorbote | tachyonlnx: the only caveate is that the boot partition must not be LVM . it can be RAID thogugh |
| 22:35.51 | moqq | how can i make aptitude get the unstable one |
| 22:36.01 | confrey | when I ry to suspend, an icon box appears and tell me Suspend Problem |
| 22:36.11 | Gnurdux | confrey, whats the specific error? |
| 22:36.15 | Gnurdux | paste it |
| 22:36.33 | confrey | Gnurdux, it only says Suspend Problem |
| 22:36.35 | danieldg | confrey: try, as root, echo mem > /sys/power/state |
| 22:36.44 | danieldg | that's a manual suspend command |
| 22:37.48 | confrey | danieldg, dariom-laptop:/usr/src# cat /sys/power/state |
| 22:37.49 | confrey | standby mem disk |
| 22:37.55 | danieldg | yes |
| 22:37.58 | *** join/#debian ascii_ (n=ascii@ALagny-151-1-87-37.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:38.07 | confrey | is it correct? |
| 22:38.22 | *** join/#debian lethias (n=duo_maxw@70-100-74-151.br1.sma.wv.frontiernet.net) |
| 22:38.31 | danieldg | yes, if you echo mem into it, it should suspend your computer |
| 22:38.36 | *** join/#debian jelly (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 22:38.40 | lethias | do i have to open any ports on my linux box to telnet my xp system into it.? |
| 22:38.46 | lunitik | moqq: you don't want it if you're running stable... |
| 22:38.48 | *** part/#debian MegaByte (i=1000@201.79.139.73) |
| 22:38.54 | lunitik | !tell moqq about ssb |
| 22:39.13 | tachyonlnx | simonrvn damn tldp.org guides and anything in there is with stone age versions of packages that barely or NOT AT ALL apply to current development... |
| 22:39.14 | lunitik | moqq: you can try what dpkg just told you if you MUST have it though |
| 22:39.14 | techno-powaz | who know dedicated servers kimsufi :p ? |
| 22:39.58 | moqq | ok |
| 22:40.00 | moqq | thanks |
| 22:40.03 | tachyonlnx | simonrvn for instance the damn tldp guide for lvm is using lvm 1, and goddamm kernel 2.4!! |
| 22:41.06 | enouf | !jfgi |
| 22:41.06 | dpkg | i heard jfgi is just fucking google it |
| 22:41.06 | tachyonlnx | how on earth can I follow that without braking my system? |
| 22:41.07 | *** join/#debian Shamurai (n=crosscut@206.54.145.254) |
| 22:41.07 | lethias | I've got a debian linux box i want to telnet into to help my buddy in configuring but i'm on my xp system, I keep getting a response that the computer couldn't connect. Do i have to open the port on his linux to beable to get in? |
| 22:41.07 | *** join/#debian qailer (n=qailer@c80-217-91-17.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 22:41.10 | danieldg | lethias: telnet is bad, old, and deprecated. Use SSH instead (download PuTTY) |
| 22:41.25 | *** join/#debian LinuxHelp (n=misha@dsl-165-230-97.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 22:41.37 | lethias | ssh similar? |
| 22:41.49 | danieldg | very similar interface |
| 22:41.50 | Gnurdux | lethias, similar but better, and enabled by default |
| 22:41.57 | LinuxHelp | Right with lighttpd, I put my .htm's in /var/www/, but where do I put my cgi scripts? |
| 22:41.57 | danieldg | open port 22 if needed |
| 22:42.12 | Gnurdux | its much more secure, and manages logins itsef |
| 22:42.21 | lethias | should connect without modification of his linux box right? |
| 22:42.43 | danieldg | lethias: as long as he's running an ssh server... |
| 22:42.54 | lethias | k |
| 22:43.18 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.53 | Gnurdux | lethias, he is running on be default, and the port is probably open by default as well |
| 22:47.07 | *** join/#debian Umesh (n=Umesh@66.251.29.254) |
| 22:47.31 | buu | Hrm. Ok, I've got: 9x15.pcf.gz and 10x20.pcf.gz in /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc, but when I do aterm -fn 10x20 it finds it fine, but aterm -fn 9x18 breaks with a "can't find font" error |
| 22:48.03 | Umesh | is there is a php.src package in debian like php.src.rpm on Redhat ? |
| 22:48.14 | buu | Umesh: apt-get source php |
| 22:48.23 | karsten | tachyonlnx: Thank RH for that. They bought the LVM folks and stopped issuing docs. |
| 22:49.24 | karsten | tachyonlnx: First set of LVM docs _are_ quite good however. |
| 22:49.31 | *** join/#debian confrey (n=dario@ip-131-172.sn1.eutelia.it) |
| 22:50.23 | Umesh | buu, I want to add a flag '--with-iodbc' in php, I know I can change in src.rpm php specs on RH, how can I do in debian ? |
| 22:50.23 | confrey | hi again |
| 22:50.53 | *** join/#debian concept10 (n=concept1@ppp-70-247-165-71.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 22:51.03 | confrey | danieldg, ok I tried to suspne with echo mem; the lap sleep, but the resume doesn't work |
| 22:51.08 | buu | Umesh: First I have to laugh at you for 15 minutes |
| 22:51.12 | *** join/#debian vi-config (n=jalandu@74.138.220.60) |
| 22:51.27 | *** join/#debian takeya (i=WinNT@AOrleans-154-1-16-173.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:52.00 | danieldg | confrey: try doing it from console, not X (that sometimes helps) |
| 22:52.18 | danieldg | or - what do you mean by 'doesn't work'? |
| 22:52.53 | danieldg | just freezes w/ black screen? any text at all? |
| 22:53.13 | warex | it means its lap is unemployed |
| 22:53.47 | danieldg | nah, that's résumé :) |
| 22:53.59 | warex | lol |
| 22:53.59 | vi-config | My server just shut off services and had to be restarted. The terminal console was in ALL CAPS. In between starting and stopping shorewall, my logfile has this entry: -- MARK -- is this a semi-normal occurrance or should I be concerned? (server is at home behind 2 firewalled routers, a break-in is unlikely, but not impossible) |
| 22:54.21 | *** join/#debian MaliutaWrk (n=nikolai@210.9.182.61) |
| 22:54.37 | danieldg | -- MARK -- means syslog is running, and had nothing to report |
| 22:55.07 | stew | vi-config: if you type the username in all caps, the system will assume that you are on a terminal that only has capability for uppercase and do everything from then on in uppercase |
| 22:55.10 | danieldg | I've run into the all-caps thing once before, never figured out what caused it... went away too quickly |
| 22:55.18 | vi-config | ok, good... I thought it could be a placeholder for a hax0r to start erasing his tracks |
| 22:55.32 | danieldg | ahh, that would explain it |
| 22:55.43 | vi-config | ah, stew, yeah I prolly logged in with caps |
| 22:57.01 | stew | vi-config: after you log in, running either "tset" or "reset" would likely reset your terminal to mixed case |
| 22:57.07 | *** join/#debian takeya (i=WinNT@AOrleans-154-1-16-173.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:57.35 | craigevil | how do you get xmms to import winamp presets? |
| 22:58.20 | *** part/#debian takeya (i=WinNT@AOrleans-154-1-16-173.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:00.31 | *** join/#debian bmalee (n=bma@82-46-50-54.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:01.43 | beardy | craigevil: Does it say it's possible? |
| 23:01.45 | *** join/#debian |garo| (n=garo@dD5778861.access.telenet.be) |
| 23:02.07 | craigevil | ive already done it just cant remeber what i did |
| 23:02.17 | beardy | craigevil: Just load it |
| 23:02.17 | craigevil | trying to help somone on lq.org forum |
| 23:02.19 | beardy | `? |
| 23:03.56 | |garo| | My default login shell is /bin/bash. Why does "ssh localhost" work but "ssh localhost bash" and "ssh localhost /bin/bash" not ? |
| 23:04.19 | danieldg | |garo|: try ssh -t localhost bash |
| 23:04.52 | *** join/#debian old_fred (n=gary@CPE-65-28-162-69.neb.res.rr.com) |
| 23:05.28 | *** join/#debian sokminer (n=bill@pool-72-70-7-230.bstnma.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:05.50 | |garo| | Seems to work, thanks ! |
| 23:07.00 | *** join/#debian Cooner750 (n=Cooner75@cpe-71-72-210-143.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 23:07.12 | *** join/#debian n3kl_ (n=n3kl@207-224-52-98.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 23:07.16 | Cooner750 | I have a P133 with 32MB RAM. Would there be any good use for Debian to do anything on that? |
| 23:07.54 | Seb | Cooner750: hell yeah. Router, Firewall, Mail server, etc... |
| 23:08.18 | Cooner750 | The only downside is how loud the hard drive is P: |
| 23:08.22 | Cooner750 | :P |
| 23:08.36 | Seb | stick it in a closet where it belongs anyway |
| 23:08.52 | *** join/#debian Angel_SL (n=angelsl@cm69.sigma13.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 23:08.52 | *** join/#debian Mazingaro (n=tetsuja@host9-35-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 23:09.58 | *** join/#debian LordBrain (n=jim@user-0c6ssn3.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 23:10.07 | mlowe | Conner firewall/router |
| 23:10.16 | LordBrain | my etch is having trouble with tetex-* packages, tetex-base specifically... it downloads them fine, and installs them partially and then fails... anyone have a fix or a work-around? |
| 23:11.56 | dendrite | Cooner750: Make a decent web server, for static pages at least |
| 23:13.35 | *** join/#debian Black__Ninja07 (n=martin@216-99-199-187.cust.aracnet.com) |
| 23:15.07 | Black__Ninja07 | hello |
| 23:15.12 | Black__Ninja07 | away |
| 23:16.22 | *** part/#debian Black__Ninja07 (n=martin@216-99-199-187.cust.aracnet.com) |
| 23:16.38 | *** join/#debian PhilKC (i=greece@unaffiliated/philkc) |
| 23:16.40 | *** join/#debian sabbat_ (n=sabbat@203-206-3-128.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:16.57 | *** join/#debian AhrAsyL (n=QhrQsyL@AOrleans-151-1-8-103.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:17.32 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (n=Rusty1@cpe-72-226-105-88.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 23:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 696] by debhelper |
| 23:22.27 | karsten | Cooner750: Main problem with a box of those specs these days is that package lists are large enough that memory / disk storage will be an issue. |
| 23:22.39 | *** join/#debian Scurz_ (n=sfantar@unaffiliated/scurz) |
| 23:22.40 | karsten | Cooner750: It will probably work, but it'll be way slow. |
| 23:22.50 | karsten | Cooner750: ... and you'll have to watch disk usage under /var |
| 23:23.06 | *** join/#debian odla (n=lontra@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 23:23.59 | *** join/#debian dawg_ (i=dawg@203-206-28-29.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:25.14 | *** join/#debian Evixion (i=Evixion@66-191-227-188.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) |
| 23:25.56 | *** join/#debian UWS53 (n=UWS53@c-24-7-89-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:27.54 | *** join/#debian Halitherses (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 23:30.00 | *** join/#debian lowlevel (n=Stuart@CPE0050ba71c82f-CM000f9f7d6742.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 23:32.38 | odla | is this #ubuntu? |
| 23:33.39 | hydr0x | Hey, I was wondering if anyone knows how I could get a reading of what process is loading from the harddrive while it loads. Like a TCPdump kind of output, or Top |
| 23:34.01 | LordBrain | what is a DepCompareOp ? |
| 23:35.17 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua (n=anapi@AMarseille-153-1-55-229.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:36.39 | Gnurdux | odla, i hope your joking |
| 23:36.40 | *** join/#debian markw (n=markw@ip68-7-164-142.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 23:36.40 | *** join/#debian SunFish7 (n=SunFish7@cpc4-oxfd1-0-0-cust870.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:36.48 | Gnurdux | or making fun of somebody |
| 23:37.09 | odla | Gnurdux: topic ... THIS IS NOT #ubuntu |
| 23:37.09 | odla | :) |
| 23:37.19 | Gnurdux | odla, exactly |
| 23:37.37 | Gnurdux | thats why i was thinking that you managed to say exactly what the topic said |
| 23:37.41 | *** join/#debian hd (n=hd@p57A588E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:37.41 | Gnurdux | with almost the same words |
| 23:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 688] by debhelper |
| 23:38.14 | *** join/#debian stoni (n=rap@cm126006.red.mundo-r.com) |
| 23:38.18 | odla | Gnurdux: yeah i guess that was trollinig |
| 23:38.31 | *** join/#debian dvs (n=cwv@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:38.48 | Gnurdux | someone said something awesome here a few days ago |
| 23:38.50 | Gnurdux | i forgot who |
| 23:39.04 | Gnurdux | <someone> Ubuntu -- an ancient African word for "can't configure debian" |
| 23:39.11 | stoni | hello! anyone could tell me what do I have to run aiglx in sid? Just some parameter in xorg.conf? |
| 23:39.27 | *** join/#debian ascii_ (n=ascii@ALagny-151-1-85-213.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:39.31 | *** join/#debian wishkah (n=flo@e178252090.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 23:39.55 | odla | stoni: maybe see the ubuntuforums or look on planet.debian.org...i saw some dev a while bit talking about aiglx on sid |
| 23:39.59 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 23:40.17 | odla | Gnurdux: ubunut - an ancient african word for 'shitty debian rip off' |
| 23:40.20 | hydr0x | Gnurdux, Lots of people said something like that. I had more trouble with the ubuntu install than I ever had with a debian install.. so i find the "user friendlyness" of it quite ironic.. |
| 23:40.37 | Gnurdux | and right now debian has a GUI installer and ubuntu doesnt |
| 23:41.01 | stoni | odla: I have found people telling in ubutu that aiglx is now included, but lnow nothing about debian |
| 23:41.50 | *** join/#debian Trixsey (n=secret@c-2b9072d5.012-2011-73746f31.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 23:42.01 | odla | stoni: i'm thinking about a how-to...google ubuntu aiglx and then see how they alter there xorg.conf files and see if it works in sid |
| 23:42.13 | danieldg | I think I'm using aiglx on my laptop, so it works... |
| 23:42.24 | odla | you think? ;) |
| 23:42.25 | *** join/#debian Evixion (i=Evixion@66-191-227-188.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) |
| 23:43.00 | odla | no shit...compiz is available in sid now too |
| 23:43.05 | stoni | danieldg: have you tryed deryl or something? |
| 23:43.10 | odla | wobbly windows have finally arrived to debian |
| 23:43.11 | odla | :) |
| 23:43.19 | danieldg | I've been using compiz |
| 23:43.31 | *** join/#debian compDo (n=Chris@dslb-084-060-029-100.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:43.32 | odla | how long has compiz been in sid? |
| 23:43.37 | danieldg | not too long |
| 23:43.41 | lunitik | Gnurdux: Ubuntu now uses a LiveCD install method that is indeed graphical... you now have to kinda dig to find a debian-installer image for Ubuntu |
| 23:43.42 | tnks | Has anyone noticed Aptitude seg-faulting? |
| 23:43.44 | compDo | hid3, whrere is the tool "mkraid" in Etch? |
| 23:43.51 | tnks | I just noticed that it's doing it on my machine. |
| 23:43.53 | stoni | odla: just a couple of days i think |
| 23:43.59 | Gnurdux | lunitik, oh |
| 23:44.01 | Gnurdux | whoops |
| 23:44.02 | odla | tnks: what flavour? |
| 23:44.10 | stoni | danieldg: are you ati or nvidia? |
| 23:44.13 | dvs | tnks: I just wish that synaptic worked again. |
| 23:44.13 | danieldg | ah, aiglx is just part of Xorg 7.1 |
| 23:44.16 | odla | tnks: and have you checked the bug tracking system? |
| 23:44.17 | tnks | odla: Testing, (but it's the same as sid, these days). |
| 23:44.20 | danieldg | stoni: neither - intel |
| 23:44.25 | tnks | odla: digging through it right now. |
| 23:44.33 | tnks | odla: lots of crap to sift through. |
| 23:44.34 | odla | tnks: aptitude doesn't segfault on me |
| 23:44.37 | odla | i'm running sid |
| 23:44.46 | lunitik | Gnurdux: The Live CD installer actually uses code from debian-installer however... and the other installer is exactly the same as Debian's |
| 23:44.54 | odla | 0.4.3-1 <- version of aptitude |
| 23:45.01 | tnks | odla: wait a sec. |
| 23:45.03 | tnks | I think it's there. |
| 23:45.19 | beardy | tnks: Anything else behaving strangely? Run memtest86. |
| 23:45.24 | odla | that sounds like a RC |
| 23:45.28 | odla | bug |
| 23:45.40 | tnks | beardy: I'm going to try stripping down my sources.list. |
| 23:45.43 | tnks | maybe that's it. |
| 23:45.53 | odla | tnks: what do you have? |
| 23:46.12 | odla | lunitik: the only benefit i can see is that you can try out the distro before you throw it in the bin :) |
| 23:46.14 | beardy | lunitik: Who and what? |
| 23:46.25 | odla | lunitik: not necessarily ubuntu but all live cd |
| 23:46.29 | lunitik | beardy: you suck at following along |
| 23:46.34 | odla | he he |
| 23:46.41 | odla | beardy: the ubuntu live cd installer |
| 23:46.46 | beardy | lunitik: You follow along sucking. |
| 23:46.54 | beardy | Who cares about that here. |
| 23:47.03 | odla | not sure |
| 23:47.06 | odla | not sure how it came up |
| 23:47.22 | *** join/#debian jimmy__ (n=jimmy@69-175-199-236.chvlva.adelphia.net) |
| 23:47.29 | lunitik | beardy: I was correcting someone... then was asked more questions... if you don't care... just don't read what I say about it... |
| 23:47.41 | tnks | odla: a few things... Demudi, Opera (which is pointing to a bad uri), some other stuff. |
| 23:47.54 | odla | tnks: that should cause aptitude to segfault though |
| 23:48.14 | tnks | odla: shouldn't... (right). |
| 23:48.24 | odla | yeah shouldn't...sorry |
| 23:48.41 | tnks | odla: what's weird is the aptitude seems to be working otherwise. |
| 23:48.42 | odla | tnks: does it segfault with apt-get, synaptic, or dselect? |
| 23:49.14 | tnks | odla: doesn't segfault with apt-get, which is why I suspect nothing is corrupted, because doesn't aptitude just call apt-get? |
| 23:49.29 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.29 | tnks | Aptitude just craps out with a segfault at the end. |
| 23:49.44 | *** join/#debian kryptoz (n=kryptoz@221.135.191.222) |
| 23:49.46 | tnks | odla: okay, well dpkg is called by apt-get, and that works fine. |
| 23:49.51 | odla | yeah |
| 23:50.00 | *** join/#debian stoni (n=rap@cm126006.red.mundo-r.com) |
| 23:50.19 | tnks | odla: I think this problem has been around, I just didn't notice it. |
| 23:50.33 | stoni | Now AIGLX is working here but without direct rendering :/ |
| 23:51.23 | odla | stoni: you should write up a wiki on this or a how-to if you get it to work correctly...cause i imagine lots of folks are going to start trying to wobbly their windows in debian :) |
| 23:52.04 | stoni | it would be interesting to do it. I have learned lot's of thing in last hours xD |
| 23:52.12 | Wyzard | stoni: Considering that AIGLX stands for "Accelerated Indirect GLX", I would guess that it's not meant to use direct rendering |
| 23:53.17 | Wyzard | I've gotten Compiz working nicely on both an nVidia 6200 and an i915, though |
| 23:53.19 | *** join/#debian SkareCrow (n=SkareCro@unaffiliated/skarecrow) |
| 23:53.22 | Wyzard | in sid |
| 23:53.49 | stoni | but as I have been trying xgl, most people will run cleanly with their current configuration on aiglx |
| 23:54.22 | *** join/#debian TasteOfDeath (n=tod@i53874CCA.versanet.de) |
| 23:54.30 | *** join/#debian redguy (n=mati@adn184.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:55.20 | *** join/#debian lunitik (n=lunitik@unaffiliated/lunitik) |
| 23:56.07 | Wyzard | Is XGL even packaged in Debian? |
| 23:56.19 | zinx | No. |
| 23:56.24 | zinx | debian has aiglx. |
| 23:56.33 | *** join/#debian deer_hunter (n=vukits@160.red-82-158-97.user.auna.net) |
| 23:56.40 | evilbulgarian__ | hi, what is a good way to sync imap directories between two servers |
| 23:56.47 | Wyzard | so I doubt there are lots of people using XGL in Debian |
| 23:57.03 | lunitik | Wyzard: AIGLX is part of Xorg 7.1 |
| 23:57.16 | lunitik | Wyzard: Xorg 7.1 is in Sid |
| 23:57.23 | Wyzard | lunitik: I know... I was responding to stoni's comment about XGL |
| 23:57.43 | lunitik | Wyzard: oh... don't mind me :P |
| 23:57.45 | Wyzard | lunitik: I'm running Compiz right now |
| 23:57.58 | lunitik | Wyzard: on top of AIGLX? :D |
| 23:58.00 | *** join/#debian Growly (n=himself@222-152-85-17.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 23:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 682] by debhelper |
| 23:58.04 | Wyzard | yep |
| 23:58.28 | lunitik | Wyzard: anything that doesn't work from Xgl screencasts etc? |
| 23:58.35 | *** part/#debian deer_hunter (n=vukits@160.red-82-158-97.user.auna.net) |
| 23:58.38 | tnks | what's really weird is that Aptitude segfaults on my desktop, but not on my laptop, and although the machines are very different, there's a lot of overlap (both testing). |
| 23:59.04 | lunitik | Compiz is what actually implements that stuff anyways... just wondering if AIGLX can do all that Xgl can |
| 23:59.49 | zinx | compiz - no real xinerama support (it has minor stuff, only for snapping window to edges, apparently), won't let you move the window title off the top of the screen (like old metacity), has about as much functionality as old metacity (i.e., nearly none)... |
| 23:59.51 | Wyzard | lunitik: On my i915 laptop, XVideo and OpenGL windows don't get composited correctly... gravity told me yesterday that's a known bug in AIGLX that's being worked on |
