| 00:00.15 | Wyzard | lunitik: No such problem on my nVidia desktop (apparently nVidia doesn't actually use AIGLX, but some nVidia-specific thing that's compatible) |
| 00:00.41 | Wyzard | yeah, I'm not using Compiz for day-to-day stuff |
| 00:01.00 | sprink | tnks, your memory could be goin bad on your desktop (its happen to me before).. caused similiar problems |
| 00:01.17 | Wyzard | I'm mainly interested in Metacity getting compositing support... I don't care much about wobbly windows, but I want to avoid redraw flicker |
| 00:01.56 | tnks | sprink: that's a good estimate of the problem... how can I check for sure? |
| 00:02.12 | lunitik | Wyzard: according to Fedora's Rendering Project, all such things from Luminocity got merged into Metacity... presumably that means upstream Metacity... |
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| 00:02.37 | tnks | I mean, there's the memory test upon a boot. Is that reliable? Is there something more robust? |
| 00:02.51 | Wyzard | lunitik: I compiled Metacity from GNOME CVS a few weeks ago with compositing support enabled... it works, but it seemed fairly primitive |
| 00:03.19 | Wyzard | lunitik: It was very sluggish, but so was Compiz until the package got updated a week or so ago... now it's quite smooth; dunno what changed |
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| 00:03.49 | sprink | tnks. worth trying. or look into memtest86 |
| 00:04.01 | Wyzard | lunitik: but the only real "effect" it did was making a window jiggle when it got focus or when you start dragging it, which quickly gets annoying because just to move a window from one place to another on the screen, you have to wait a second while it jiggles before it starts moving |
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| 00:04.37 | Wyzard | lunitik: I got the impression that it was just prototype compositing support |
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| 00:05.02 | sprink | tnks, if it's not that. something could have gotten corrupt during installation, or what not |
| 00:06.13 | Kurt | OBJECTIVE FACT: Rogers Hornsby is the Greatest Cardinal Ever |
| 00:06.14 | Kurt | OBJECTIVE FACT: Johnny Unitas is the Greatest Colt Ever |
| 00:06.14 | Kurt | OBJECTIVE FACT: Reggie Miller is the Greatest Pacer Ever |
| 00:07.26 | odla | Kurt: wtf? |
| 00:08.22 | scrillaz | deb is the best distro |
| 00:08.29 | Wyzard | ever! |
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| 00:08.49 | odla | deb is a distro? |
| 00:08.57 | scrillaz | debian |
| 00:09.02 | Kurt | just stating some objective facts for your enlightenment |
| 00:09.08 | Kurt | wrong |
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| 00:09.46 | odla | do you subjective opinion? |
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| 00:10.31 | Wyzard | OBJECTIVE FACT: Kurt is a troll |
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| 00:12.49 | amphi | Wyzard: I have no idea what he is raving about |
| 00:13.34 | Wyzard | Neither do I, but it has nothing to do with Debian anyway |
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| 00:14.22 | amphi | Wyzard: there's no debian cardinal? |
| 00:16.18 | silent{A} | can anyone help me with the folowing?: tar xjf file.tar.bz2 i'm trying to extract the file with the tar command |
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| 00:17.15 | petite | does /bus/cpuinfo output including "cpu cores : 2" indicate that both of my core duo cores are actually being used? |
| 00:17.32 | dvs | silent{A}: try: tar --bzip2 -xf file.tar.bz2 |
| 00:17.35 | silent{A} | i get: bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 00:17.43 | silent{A} | thanx |
| 00:18.00 | nevyn | petite: well detected ast least |
| 00:18.00 | dvs | silent{A}: if it says it's not a bz2 file then it probably isn't |
| 00:18.29 | petite | nevyn: a good start |
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| 00:18.54 | silent{A} | ya it says it again... hmm |
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| 00:21.18 | Miesco | Okay I got my Ipod in my USB, how do I check what device it is? |
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| 00:21.34 | dvs | Miesco: watch for viruses! ;-) |
| 00:22.02 | Miesco | dvs: Do you have an ipod? |
| 00:22.22 | dvs | Miesco: no, but you can usually check the /var/log/message file to see what device it is. |
| 00:23.03 | keko_ | im installing in laptop X whitch have ati chipset.. im planning to intall also xfce in.. whitch is best solutio to intall it.. now i only base installed |
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| 00:23.46 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 00:24.06 | asarch | Hey if I use the Debian's CDs for the "30r5" to install the system can I update later the system to the "3.1 rev3"? |
| 00:24.17 | Miesco | How do I put songs on my ipod? |
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| 00:24.44 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.02 | asarch | apt-get install amarok? |
| 00:25.02 | Miesco | asarch: K |
| 00:25.09 | Miesco | amarok is being stupid all of a sudden |
| 00:25.12 | Miesco | I already use amarok |
| 00:25.30 | Miesco | I try to open it and it says something about dcop server |
| 00:25.36 | asarch | Have you already installed all the plugins for Amarok? |
| 00:25.53 | Miesco | I dont know, can you do it with apt? |
| 00:26.08 | asarch | Yes |
| 00:26.41 | Wyzard | asarch: Yes, you can upgrade Debian from one release to the next |
| 00:26.52 | asarch | How? |
| 00:27.13 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.42 | Wyzard | asarch: The installation instructions for 3.1 should have information on upgrading |
| 00:27.55 | asarch | Of course!!! |
| 00:28.00 | asarch | Thanks!!! |
| 00:28.09 | asarch | One last question |
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| 00:28.15 | Miesco | No |
| 00:29.17 | asarch | I already try the "NetInstallation" from the "NetInstallation CD" however it cannot detect my ethernet, can I use the Disc #1 from the "3.1 rev3" version to make a "NetInstallation"? |
| 00:29.33 | asarch | Miesco: Mmmm... then let me see.. |
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| 00:30.47 | Wyzard | asarch: You might need to use expert mode to do a netinstall from a full CD, but if you have the full CD you don't really need to do a netinstall anyway |
| 00:31.03 | Wyzard | asarch: The point of netinstall is to avoid having to download the full CD |
| 00:31.42 | Miesco | Do I have to mount it or something |
| 00:32.23 | Wyzard | Miesco: "apt-cache search ipod" turns up several other programs besides Amarok for accessing ipods |
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| 00:35.09 | milos2pac | hi i have on debian bind8 i now want install bind9 |
| 00:35.17 | milos2pac | can i just stop bind8 and apt-get bind9? |
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| 00:36.48 | dansushi | anyone here have a certain site that they like to use for uploading large files that other people can get? |
| 00:37.43 | Wyzard | dansushi: Personal webspace, typically |
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| 00:39.08 | Miesco | How do I check what to mount my ipod on? |
| 00:39.49 | Caelum | Miesco: check what syslog says when you plug it in |
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| 00:40.13 | Miesco | /var/log/messages? |
| 00:40.55 | asarch | Just type dmesg |
| 00:41.11 | asarch | Or even better: dmesg | less |
| 00:41.40 | Miesco | hub.c: new USB device 00:1d.7-8, assigned address 5 |
| 00:42.44 | asarch | Miesco: http://www.gtkpod.org/about.html |
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| 00:46.32 | simonrvn | milos2pac: go ahead. you don't need our permissions ;) |
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| 00:49.16 | milos2pac | hh :) |
| 00:49.19 | Blastur | anyone know why these cronjobs doesn't execute? http://pastebin.ca/212709 .. the server clock just passed 02:43, which should launch the 2nd job.. should it not? |
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| 00:50.20 | milos2pac | i just wondering can i first stop nemd old |
| 00:50.25 | milos2pac | and then apt-get |
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| 00:52.47 | pestilence | could somebody explain to me how, when using a NIS server with shadow passwords, the client machines recieve the shadow information? doing ypcat shadow doesn't give anything |
| 00:52.51 | dondelelcaro | Blastur: how do you know the second one isn't running? |
| 00:52.55 | pestilence | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:55.57 | Kurt | you know |
| 00:55.59 | Kurt | if I ever decide to commit suicide |
| 00:56.01 | Kurt | I'll do it by wearing an Indianapolis Colts shirt in Baltimore |
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| 00:56.53 | simonrvn | milos2pac: you could minimise downtime by apt-getting it first, then stopping it when ready. you'll need to move your conf to v9 though. there's some differences IIRC |
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| 00:57.40 | oin1 | hi all, anyone knows how to make an smp-kernel to boot in uni-processor mode? |
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| 00:58.29 | oin1 | i have a dual core cpu, but i can't disable the multi-core in the bios |
| 00:59.14 | Wyzard | You shouldn't have to do anything special to boot an SMP kernel on a uniprocessor system |
| 00:59.27 | Wyzard | SMP kernels support multiple processors, but don't require them |
| 00:59.42 | Wyzard | but if you have a dual-core processor, you don't have a uniprocessor system anyway |
| 01:00.09 | oin1 | yes, but i would like to boot in uni-processor mode, i think an application is crashing because of this |
| 01:00.26 | Gnurdux | oin1, what application? |
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| 01:00.42 | oin1 | ubuntu installer ; ) |
| 01:00.52 | Gnurdux | oin1, read the topic |
| 01:00.59 | Gnurdux | what ISNT this? |
| 01:01.12 | oin1 | i know, my question is not ubuntu specific though |
| 01:01.22 | Gnurdux | but its not a debian question either |
| 01:01.25 | Gnurdux | its a linux question |
| 01:01.29 | Gnurdux | try #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 01:01.41 | oin1 | ok, sorry for the trouble |
| 01:01.44 | Wyzard | At any rate, having a dual-core system should not cause the Ubuntu (or Debian) installer to crash |
| 01:01.53 | Wyzard | I don't think the installer is even multi-threaded |
| 01:02.05 | Wyzard | which means it only utilizes one of your cores anyway |
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| 01:02.59 | oin1 | i've read a message where someone disabled the multi-core in the bios and that fixed the problem |
| 01:03.16 | oin1 | thanks for your help : ) |
| 01:03.19 | Wyzard | If that's the case then it's a specific bug in Ubuntu's installer |
| 01:03.24 | Wyzard | but it seems quite unlikely to me |
| 01:03.37 | oin1 | me too, but i have to try... |
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| 01:05.44 | CcSsNET | oin1 its kinda an odd question |
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| 01:05.53 | CcSsNET | try booting a non smp kernel instead |
| 01:05.59 | CcSsNET | it sounds alot easier |
| 01:07.22 | CcSsNET | but yea like the others said it wouldnt be causing a crash so i dunno |
| 01:07.24 | CcSsNET | haha |
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| 01:10.31 | stoni | anybody got running compiz or beryl running in their kde? |
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| 01:26.44 | dan2 | asg: yo |
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| 01:28.17 | haldriktercero | hello |
| 01:28.28 | haldriktercero | somebody have problems with cdrkit? |
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| 01:28.34 | Madeye | any dydns alternative ? |
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| 01:31.21 | enouf | haldriktercero: what kind of issue you having? |
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| 01:32.05 | haldriktercero | enouf: I have a issue trying to continuning a multisession disk (cdrom), using k3b front end |
| 01:32.26 | enouf | haldriktercero: and what are the errors |
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| 01:34.13 | ofer0 | 21:29:34 up 101 days, 2:53, 76 users, load average: 94.76, 93.02, 86.28 |
| 01:34.17 | Blastur | anyone know if its possible to execute a program whenever someone logs onto my vsFTPd server? |
| 01:34.22 | ofer0 | how can it be that the load average is so high ? |
| 01:34.28 | ofer0 | I've never seen it > 3 |
| 01:34.42 | Rooster1a3 | what do the load averages actually mean? |
| 01:34.56 | ofer0 | percentage of usage in the last 5, 10 and 15 minutes |
| 01:35.16 | ofer0 | Blastur, yeah, use xinetd |
| 01:35.29 | haldriktercero | enouf: p |
| 01:35.31 | haldriktercero | http://pastebin.ca/212800 |
| 01:35.51 | enouf | looking |
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| 01:37.05 | Blastur | ofer0: cool, will it work with just inetd aswell? |
| 01:37.16 | ofer0 | Blastur, yeah, but inetd sucks. |
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| 01:38.10 | Blastur | why does it suck? |
| 01:38.46 | enouf | haldriktercero: hrm .. multi-sessions are finicky .. di you create the disk correctly? ... maybe ask in irc.debian.org #cdrkit (it's more of a dev channel though) |
| 01:38.47 | Blastur | is it difficult to replace inetd with xinetd? my system is fairly slow, i would like to run minimal versions of most apps.. |
| 01:39.14 | haldriktercero | eno: thanks |
| 01:39.31 | haldriktercero | enouf: but in oftc server? |
| 01:40.13 | enouf | haldriktercero: I don't see many errors there except for the schilly comments - what are any other errors? or nothing happens ? ..check through the plethera of k3b advanced/options settings |
| 01:40.29 | enouf | haldriktercero: yes .irc.oftc.net is the same as irc.debian.org |
| 01:41.02 | haldriktercero | enouf: I have more errors |
| 01:41.13 | Firztspawn | anyone have a howto on how to run xfree86? |
| 01:41.34 | enouf | haldriktercero: pastebin them plz .. and did you compile an SVN version using CMAKE? |
| 01:41.37 | Firztspawn | run/configure |
| 01:42.00 | enouf | !tell Firztspawn about drxx |
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| 01:42.51 | haldriktercero | enouf: I dont |
| 01:43.02 | haldriktercero | enouf: I use apt-get |
| 01:43.15 | enouf | haldriktercero: you don't what? .. oh ok .. I see .. |
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| 01:44.08 | haldriktercero | enouf: see that http://pastebin.ca/212816 |
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| 01:45.56 | Miesco | How do I upgrade my kernel to 2.6? |
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| 01:46.10 | Miesco | apt-get kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686? |
| 01:46.21 | Miesco | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686** |
| 01:46.28 | Miesco | I did that and when I try to boot from it I get a kernel error |
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| 01:47.11 | enouf | haldriktercero: sorry .. but if the cd wasn't started as mutisession correctly to begin with .. or some option now is wrong you'll have issues .. see mailing lists, google and the channel I suggested |
| 01:47.37 | haldriktercero | enouf: ok, thanks |
| 01:47.52 | Miesco | Do I need kernel headers???? |
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| 01:47.53 | enouf | Miesco: what error? exactly .. and what bootloader? grub ..Lilo? |
| 01:47.59 | Miesco | enouf: grub |
| 01:48.09 | enouf | Miesco: headers not necesary |
| 01:48.15 | Miesco | enouf: It was like kernel attepted to destroy INIT |
| 01:48.18 | Blastur | ofer0: okay, now i got xinetd installed.. how do I add my custom command? |
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| 01:48.39 | enouf | Miesco: what was your last kerenl ? |
| 01:48.47 | Miesco | 2.4 |
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| 01:48.59 | Miesco | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 01:49.40 | Miesco | K I got to go, i'll be back in a few hours, im not done here >:) |
| 01:49.45 | enouf | Miesco: ahh.. did you have any specific kernel line options for booting? .. pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 01:49.56 | Miesco | enouf: k |
| 01:50.13 | Miesco | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=791 |
| 01:50.20 | Miesco | I added vga=791 |
| 01:51.09 | enouf | hrm .. so what happens on botup? |
| 01:51.47 | Miesco | enouf: It was like kernel attepted to destroy INIT |
| 01:52.00 | enouf | Miesco: for the heck of it run dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 01:53.01 | enouf | Miesco: did you run update-grub yet?? .. you're using an initrd ..yes? |
| 01:53.26 | enouf | Miesco: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 01:53.26 | Miesco | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 01:53.33 | enouf | yep |
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| 01:54.05 | Miesco | be back later |
| 01:54.12 | enouf | Miesco: okie |
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| 01:57.11 | Blastur | anyone know how to make xinetd execute a command before starting the service its suppose to provide? |
| 01:57.23 | SoloKing | rndc reload |
| 01:57.23 | SoloKing | rndc: connect failed: connection refused |
| 01:57.27 | SoloKing | what is problem? |
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| 02:02.05 | Vaske_Car | hi, what should i install to be able to open ZIP and RAR documents? |
| 02:02.17 | ofer0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.18 | ofer0 | damn |
| 02:02.26 | ofer0 | I wrote a perl script that does that |
| 02:02.58 | teledyn | unzip, unrar |
| 02:03.21 | Vaske_Car | is there any software that support both? |
| 02:03.28 | ofer0 | file-roller |
| 02:03.42 | teledyn | there may be a version of winrar for linux. or you can run the windows version under wine |
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| 02:04.23 | Vaske_Car | never used WINE |
| 02:04.37 | teledyn | or non-free crossover office |
| 02:05.19 | Vaske_Car | I think I will have to format PC again... I used network installation but it installed houndreds of packages that I do not need.... |
| 02:05.38 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: why? only if you select them |
| 02:05.54 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: minimal net install? |
| 02:06.05 | Vaske_Car | I am tryinng to remember |
| 02:06.13 | Vaske_Car | I do not know |
| 02:06.27 | Vaske_Car | it probably offered but I used Desktop type of installation |
| 02:06.34 | Vaske_Car | that I remember |
| 02:07.01 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: i always do the absolute minimum, and then manually apt-get whatever i need, which takes mroe time. |
| 02:07.17 | Vaske_Car | does Debian support aptitude as well? |
| 02:07.28 | vi-config | yes |
| 02:08.05 | Vaske_Car | somebody told me that aptitude is better if I do update before installation because it would remove all dependances in I ever uninstall aplication... |
| 02:08.24 | Vaske_Car | hile apt-get just remove aplication |
| 02:08.30 | Vaske_Car | is that trus? |
| 02:08.35 | Vaske_Car | true* |
| 02:09.46 | Vaske_Car | teledyn: I will have to do that as well |
| 02:09.56 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: yes, aptitude tracks the dependencies of packages you install, so when you uninstall them later it will also unintall those dependencies, provided they aren't needed by other packages |
| 02:10.13 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: you can also use deborphan to find orphaned packages |
| 02:11.03 | Vaske_Car | file-roller does not support RAR |
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| 02:11.08 | Vaske_Car | only ZIP |
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| 02:14.47 | Vaske_Car | teledyn, there is Unrar but not for Debian, can you check please http://www.rarlab.com/rar_add.htm |
| 02:15.27 | multi_io | is there an easy way to make sure that for specific packages, the source of the currently installed version is always unpacked under a specific directory? |
| 02:15.59 | multi_io | (apart from manually downloading the source package every time the binary package is updated) |
| 02:16.52 | zamaliphe | i need to beld all debndsy i'need to compill mplayer frome the source ?how |
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| 02:17.36 | teledyn | multi_io: when you run apt-get source <package> it gets the source into CWD |
| 02:17.37 | zamaliphe | i have ask dpkg but i dedent find any help |
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| 02:18.30 | multi_io | teledyn: yeah. I kind of wanted to ensure that this happens automatically every time the binary package is updated |
| 02:19.04 | teledyn | multi_io: why? you only need the source to build the package |
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| 02:19.16 | multi_io | or ideally, I'd want the package to be automatically be built from the source package every time it is updated/selected for update |
| 02:19.30 | teledyn | multi_io: you could do it easily with a scropt |
| 02:19.35 | multi_io | teledyn: I need it for developing |
| 02:19.36 | teledyn | script |
| 02:19.42 | teledyn | multi_io: apt-build |
| 02:20.32 | nn_laptop | hi |
| 02:22.42 | multi_io | teledyn: thanks, apt-build looks promising |
| 02:23.17 | Vaske_Car | OK started WINE by "wine /home/user/wrar361.exe" it installed but now how do I start WinRar, where it is? |
| 02:23.32 | wols | depends how you configured wine |
| 02:23.44 | wols | you start it with wine <path/to/winrar.exe> |
| 02:23.46 | Vaske_Car | I did not |
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| 02:24.18 | Vaske_Car | I did that and got message that its installed, clicked DONE and no winrar..... |
| 02:24.27 | teledyn | you have to run the wine config program first |
| 02:24.32 | Vaske_Car | how |
| 02:24.40 | teledyn | i think its called winesetupgtk or something like that |
| 02:24.53 | teledyn | apt-cache search wine and you will find it |
| 02:25.05 | Vaske_Car | let me try |
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| 02:27.12 | jonkri | whoresuckers |
| 02:28.09 | asg | jonkri: nah, leaves a bad taste in the mouth |
| 02:28.17 | jonkri | who is bob3? |
| 02:28.20 | tnks | I was looking for a mail retriever. mpop clearly supports tls. I there any reason to believe that getmail4 doesn't? |
| 02:28.29 | asg | jonkri: /whois bob3 |
| 02:28.35 | jonkri | plz |
| 02:28.49 | Vaske_Car | how to start "winesetuptk" ? |
| 02:29.15 | jonkri | 4 8 15 16 23 42 |
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| 02:29.35 | HORSUGARE | >_> |
| 02:29.37 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: from a command-line? |
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| 02:29.56 | jonkri | >_< |
| 02:30.02 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: actually if you just run wine by itself the first time it should enter the config |
| 02:30.07 | HORSUGARE | <_< |
| 02:30.15 | jonkri | ÖL |
| 02:30.16 | asg | jonkri: stop babbling and ask a Debian related question. |
| 02:30.40 | Vaske_Car | teledyn, yes but what to type? If I type "winesetuptk" it does not to anything |
| 02:30.52 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: just try wine |
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| 02:31.55 | Vaske_Car | teledyn, it returned that winesetuptk is not installed, let me install :) |
| 02:34.15 | Vaske_Car | brb |
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| 02:36.02 | coywolf | !libdvdcss |
| 02:36.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, libdvdcss is NOT in debian - USA residents who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or see <marillat> |
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| 02:40.04 | Vaske_Car | teledyn, configured WINE, now how do i start program installed by WINE? |
| 02:40.25 | lunitik | Vaske_Car: wine some.exe |
| 02:40.32 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: wine <path/to/.exe> |
| 02:40.34 | Vaske_Car | k |
| 02:41.02 | lunitik | Vaske_Car: If you're using KDE, they'll just appear in your menu though :) |
| 02:41.10 | lunitik | Gnome folks don't like standards however |
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| 02:44.02 | Vaske_Car | im with Gnome |
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| 02:44.43 | Vaske_Car | OK I did this command "wine /home/user/.wine/drive_c/Program*Files/WinRAR/Rar.exe" |
| 02:45.00 | Vaske_Car | it just output list of command line switches |
| 02:45.09 | Vaske_Car | is there no gui for winrar? |
| 02:45.24 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I just added a smaller hard drive and installed linux on it and not when I boot I get stuck on Partition check: /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0 |
| 02:45.31 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | now* |
| 02:45.38 | amphi | Vaske_Car: that's not much do with debian |
| 02:45.41 | yansanmo | file-roller + rar (for linux) ? |
| 02:45.41 | asg | Vaske_Car: /msg dpkg rar, /msg dpkg unrar |
| 02:46.17 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: winrar is a gui app |
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| 02:47.34 | fizzmahon | um im having a couple problems with my fresh install of debian |
| 02:48.09 | fizzmahon | sound isnt working, mouse freezes up, and graphics are gone |
| 02:48.10 | Vaske_Car | This is what I got http://pastebin.ca/212885 |
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| 02:49.38 | fizzmahon | also in console it says my Eth0 keeps going in and out |
| 02:49.57 | yansanmo | Vaske_Car: is there a WinRAR.exe program? |
| 02:50.13 | Vaske_Car | yes |
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| 02:50.54 | yansanmo | Vaske_Car: what does it does when you start it instead of rar.exe? |
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| 02:52.46 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | anyone? |
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| 02:53.33 | Vaske_Car | yansanmo: http://pastebin.ca/212894 |
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| 02:55.17 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: _c/Program*Files/WinRAR/Rar.exe <-- that is the wrong .exe look for winrar.exe |
| 02:55.41 | Vaske_Car | http://pastebin.ca/212894 is with winrar |
| 02:55.45 | Vaske_Car | WinRAR.exe |
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| 02:57.02 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | would I need an 80-conductor ide cable to run 2 hard disks? |
| 02:57.15 | Vaske_Car | no, you can use 40 |
| 02:57.38 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | :/ my bios isn't detecting my hard drive |
| 02:57.43 | Vaske_Car | in order to use UltraDMA mode you need 80 (if drive and motherboard support it) |
| 02:57.58 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | it detects the master but not the slave |
| 02:58.09 | Vaske_Car | did you try that drive alone? |
| 02:58.18 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | good idea, brb |
| 02:58.31 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: this was after you ran the wine config? |
| 02:58.37 | Vaske_Car | yes |
| 02:58.38 | fizzmahon | can anyone help me with some problems im having... sound, graphics, mouse freezes up |
| 02:58.42 | Vaske_Car | let me run it again |
| 02:58.43 | asg | Vaske_Car: to satisfy my perverse late night curiousity, why did you install wine to run WinRAR.exe when rar/unrar exists in Debian? |
| 02:59.07 | Vaske_Car | asg, this is first time I heard that |
| 02:59.19 | yansanmo | I've already told you... |
| 02:59.24 | asg | Vaske_Car: 22:45 < asg> Vaske_Car: /msg dpkg rar, /msg dpkg unrar |
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| 03:00.28 | fizzmahon | can anyone help me get my graphics settings (drivers and such) installed properly? |
| 03:00.43 | Vaske_Car | asg, sorry but I do not understand that. Does it mean that /home/file.rar dpkg unrar will unpack that file? |
| 03:01.13 | asg | Vaske_Car: no, '/msg dpkg rar' and '/msg dpkg unrar' are things you type in your irc client so our bot will give you information. |
| 03:02.46 | yansanmo | when you type text in private to someone, you /msg someone (and dpkg is a bot) |
| 03:03.17 | Vaske_Car | ahhhh |
| 03:03.19 | diskus | Vaske_Car: try apt-get install rar or apt-get install unrar and then unrar file.rar |
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| 03:04.24 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | occasionally I can hear my hard drive grind against its casing..... |
| 03:04.26 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | yar |
| 03:04.40 | diskus | it means change harddrive soon |
| 03:04.51 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I'm gonna use it till it dies |
| 03:05.02 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | its only holding the OS |
| 03:05.07 | diskus | same here, when I loose everything then I know I need new one |
| 03:05.21 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | oh shit |
| 03:05.25 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I think it just died |
| 03:05.36 | yansanmo | Vaske_Car: http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=winrar350 |
| 03:05.41 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | now IT isn't showing up in bios |
| 03:05.47 | Vaske_Car | asg, I got message that unrar-free does not support WinRAR 3.0 |
| 03:05.54 | tuv | how do i force apt to install a package with unsatisfiable dependencies? i remember seeing a '-o' option but can't remember what it is |
| 03:06.47 | diskus | hmm.. yeah winrar3 had some extra stuff there, even old rar.exe doesn't support it anymore I think |
| 03:06.51 | fizzmahon | can anyone see this?! |
| 03:06.58 | diskus | fizzmahon: no |
| 03:07.10 | jesseman_ | lol |
| 03:07.19 | yansanmo | use the force tuv, the force ;p |
| 03:07.27 | diskus | use the source luke |
| 03:07.48 | fizzmahon | sorry linux keeps telling me my internet is going out and coming back, but its not =S only on this computer |
| 03:07.54 | tuv | yansanmo, trying to. looking for apt's weakness |
| 03:07.58 | tuv | :) |
| 03:08.18 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | Error loading operating system. Yep, the hard drive is fuckd |
| 03:08.36 | Vaske_Car | yansanmo, thanks will try that |
| 03:09.01 | tuv | i remember the option being like Apt::<something> but can't remember it exactly. where can i find docs on these options? |
| 03:09.02 | diskus | [5D]Silent_Chaos: then you need new one |
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| 03:09.35 | LordBrain | fizzmahon: hmmmm network driver problem perhaps... you using wireless? |
| 03:09.44 | diskus | tuv: man apt-get? |
| 03:09.51 | fizzmahon | LordBrain: nope |
| 03:09.59 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | diskus, I have 2 hard disks that I could use, but I want them for space. Is it possible to run a regular installation off of a usb drive? |
| 03:10.06 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | no livecd, / |
| 03:10.32 | diskus | [5D]Silent_Chaos: dunno, I've seen Linux runing of USB drive, but never actualy tried myself |
| 03:10.34 | LordBrain | if your bios would boot the usb drive... |
| 03:10.47 | diskus | [5D]Silent_Chaos: dunno about installation |
| 03:11.07 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | LordBrain, It would, but I tried the installation and it said it didn't recognize the usb drive as a partitionable space |
| 03:11.09 | diskus | yeah, main problem is getting bios to boot from USB |
| 03:11.17 | yansanmo | -o Apt::Get::Force-Yes=true ? |
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| 03:11.35 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I could only install the Damn Small Linux and Slax distros on it, but those are livecd |
| 03:11.54 | minerale | Does anyone know a program that lets one try regexes? I can't find a program that can understand some of the more advanced operators such as '\<' |
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| 03:11.56 | yansanmo | or --force-yes (should be very bad to do that ;p) |
| 03:12.09 | Xenguy_ | minerale: regexxer ? |
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| 03:12.43 | Vaske_Car | if I open ZIP file I got thiss error on file-roller: /bin/sh: line 1: unzip: command not found |
| 03:12.56 | diskus | apt-get install unzip |
| 03:12.57 | Vaske_Car | what should i install? |
| 03:13.00 | Vaske_Car | ok |
| 03:13.09 | diskus | use the brain luke |
| 03:13.16 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | Would it be possible to create a livecd WITH Samba and SWAT installed to run and have the smb.conf on a floppy or somesuch? |
| 03:13.42 | minerale | xenguy_: do the \< and \> metasequences work? |
| 03:14.11 | minerale | xenguy_: nvm, I downloaded it by now |
| 03:14.17 | Xenguy_ | minerale: I don't remember - pls test :-) |
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| 03:16.08 | yansanmo | where did you see \< and \> ? |
| 03:16.13 | Vaske_Car | diskus: I can not get unrar that way, it says that file is not available. Can I download that file somewhre else? |
| 03:16.49 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | If I successfully installed linux and configured it as I liked, would it be possible to copy / to a usb drive and somehow make it bootable? |
| 03:17.17 | jcreigh | minerale: In vim (and probably other places) \< \> are zero-width matches for the beginning and end of a word, respectively. |
| 03:17.25 | fizzmahon | can someone help me properly install my graphics drivers |
| 03:17.36 | yansanmo | Vaske_Car: on their website? |
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| 03:19.01 | Vaske_Car | did not found for Debian, http://www.rarlab.com/rar_add.htm |
| 03:19.18 | diskus | Vaske_Car: you want unrar or unzip? |
| 03:19.27 | yansanmo | Vaske_Car: rar and unrar are in "debian non-free" repository |
| 03:19.33 | diskus | Vaske_Car: you won't find for debian, try just Linux |
| 03:19.35 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | apt-cache search rar |
| 03:20.14 | diskus | never used rar or zip in *nix |
| 03:20.20 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | tar? :) |
| 03:20.27 | diskus | tar and gz/bz |
| 03:20.30 | diskus | bz2 |
| 03:20.38 | Vaske_Car | I just need it to unpack files that somebody sent to me |
| 03:20.42 | Vaske_Car | :) |
| 03:20.42 | yansanmo | and ar ;p |
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| 03:21.30 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | Vaske, there must be a way to get a linux-based rar/unrar or just use the CLI version of winRAR, I think there is one |
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| 03:22.03 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | http://www.rarlab.com/rar/rarlinux-3.6.0.tar.gz |
| 03:22.05 | yansanmo | As I said... rar and unrar, zip, unzip are in debian non-free |
| 03:22.09 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | there's winrar linux version |
| 03:22.41 | diskus | yansanmo: explain to Vaske_Car how to get stuff from non-free |
| 03:22.46 | Vaske_Car | waith i am confused now. I did "apt-get install unzip" and now file-roller support ZIP. It mean that unzip is just something that file-roller ask for |
| 03:22.48 | diskus | I'm too drunk to think now |
| 03:23.01 | Vaske_Car | right? |
| 03:23.24 | Vaske_Car | like plugin |
| 03:23.25 | diskus | what is that file-roller? |
| 03:23.26 | yansanmo | file-roller execute the console command to do the task |
| 03:23.34 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | methinks Vaske should check out Ubuntu |
| 03:23.42 | Vaske_Car | yesssss now I understand |
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| 03:23.53 | Vaske_Car | I migrated from ubuntu |
| 03:23.59 | diskus | why? |
| 03:24.16 | LordBrain | unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files |
| 03:24.19 | Vaske_Car | was using it for a while and got that bad update that screwup system |
| 03:24.42 | yansanmo | ah ah, another one ;p |
| 03:24.44 | diskus | Vaske_Car: well, debian can get bad updates too, any Linux can get that |
| 03:24.53 | Vaske_Car | LordBrain: unrar-free does not support Rar 3.0 files that are mostly used |
| 03:24.56 | diskus | Linux distribution that is |
| 03:25.18 | LordBrain | well that sucks |
| 03:25.23 | Vaske_Car | let me download that file Silen posted |
| 03:25.23 | LordBrain | :) |
| 03:25.45 | yansanmo | Vaske_Car: edit /etc/apt/sources.list file, add non-free keyword after a deb http://debian..../ line and the deb-src line |
| 03:25.46 | diskus | yeah that rarlinux-3.6.0.tar.gz probably can unpack rar 3.0 |
| 03:25.51 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | vaske, you need to make it |
| 03:25.57 | yansanmo | do apt-get update and after apt-get install rar unrar |
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| 03:26.38 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | should a base debian system + smb/swat fit on 300mb? |
| 03:26.44 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | 2.4 |
| 03:27.13 | diskus | what's the point to put smb/swat into 300MB partition? |
| 03:27.43 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | dont need much space for OS, need as much as possible for storage on the fileserver |
| 03:27.45 | yansanmo | usb-based system |
| 03:27.46 | Vaske_Car | Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 03:27.46 | Vaske_Car | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 03:27.46 | Vaske_Car | is only available from another source |
| 03:27.46 | Vaske_Car | E: Package rar has no installation candidate |
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| 03:28.16 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | nah, I'll try the usb some other time, plus running linux off of a usb drive 24/7 might kill it very quickly |
| 03:28.23 | LordBrain | hmmmm |
| 03:28.39 | diskus | [5D]Silent_Chaos: I would just test, if it fits or no |
| 03:29.02 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I got Damn Small Linux and slax to boot off a 128mb flash drive |
| 03:29.10 | LordBrain | Vaske_Car: stable, testing, or unstable? and do you have the line in your sources.list with non-free ? |
| 03:29.26 | Vaske_Car | just a sec |
| 03:30.50 | yansanmo | it's seem like the same version in testing/unstable (3.5.1-1) |
| 03:31.04 | yansanmo | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=rar |
| 03:31.40 | Vaske_Car | ok sourceslist updated wiht nano |
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| 03:32.04 | LordBrain | Vaske_Car: and after you edit the file, you need to run apt-get update |
| 03:32.06 | yansanmo | now: apt-get update |
| 03:32.18 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | apt-get update is so wonderful |
| 03:32.23 | liable | Vaske_Car: you need non free in sources list |
| 03:32.25 | Vaske_Car | done |
| 03:32.36 | Vaske_Car | did everything |
| 03:32.43 | yansanmo | and? |
| 03:32.44 | Vaske_Car | now I have non free list |
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| 03:33.06 | fizzmahon | anyone available to help me set up my graphics. drivers and so on... cant figure it out |
| 03:33.09 | LordBrain | Vaske_Car: apt-get install rar unrar |
| 03:33.20 | LordBrain | those packages should be in there |
| 03:33.28 | Vaske_Car | done |
| 03:33.40 | yansanmo | try file-roller now |
| 03:33.45 | Vaske_Car | now how do I start these packages installed? or will file-roller start it |
| 03:33.48 | Vaske_Car | oh ok |
| 03:33.50 | Vaske_Car | let me see |
| 03:33.53 | Vaske_Car | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.18 | LordBrain | fizzmahon: what is your graphics card, do you know? |
| 03:34.32 | fizzmahon | believe a radeon 7200 |
| 03:34.42 | fizzmahon | something in that range. definetly 7000 series |
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| 03:35.03 | zepeuga | how can i see my xorg version ? |
| 03:35.23 | Holborn | X -version |
| 03:35.47 | zepeuga | thx |
| 03:35.52 | Vaske_Car | it does open but file size is 0kb, anyway I opened file with ARK |
| 03:36.39 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I'm installing linux on a broken hard drive |
| 03:37.15 | Vaske_Car | yansanmo, probably that file does not support this version of RAR |
| 03:37.33 | fizzmahon | LordBrain: any idea's? |
| 03:37.47 | LordBrain | you on xorg or xfree86 ? |
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| 03:38.36 | LordBrain | fizzmahon: unless you are on debian stable, its probably xorg |
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| 03:38.53 | fizzmahon | i believe that i am on debian stable |
| 03:38.58 | LordBrain | oh ok |
| 03:39.02 | fizzmahon | LordBrain: just installed debian today =) |
| 03:39.04 | LordBrain | then its xfree86 |
| 03:39.23 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | fizzmahon, have you used linux before? |
| 03:39.26 | protex | I'm a gentoo user moving to a binary distro, is Debian a good choice for me? |
| 03:39.33 | LordBrain | you need to edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 03:39.44 | fizzmahon | [5D]Silent_Chaos: gentoo about 6 months back but im no wiz. just can do basic stuff |
| 03:39.56 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | protex, debian is a very nice OS |
| 03:40.13 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | aptitude is the reason I use debian/ubuntu |
| 03:40.16 | LordBrain | i meant /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:40.23 | protex | [5D]Silent_Chaos: How do you find performance? |
| 03:40.37 | yansanmo | protex: you type faster ;p |
| 03:40.49 | fizzmahon | LordBrain: alright... is it difficult? |
| 03:41.02 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | my 333mhz AMD K-6 is more responsive than my A64 4000+ running windows xp : / |
| 03:41.05 | tuv | has anyone succeeded to run tex4ht (htlatex) with texlive? |
| 03:41.44 | LordBrain | fizzmahon: well... i think most of us have done it, so it must be doable... |
| 03:41.48 | protex | [5D]Silent_Chaos: Haha, I'm wonderingn if the step from i686 built packages to i386 will even show a significant loss in performance. |
| 03:42.15 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | protex, of course the best way to check if you like something is to try it. That's what I do. But then again, I have a lot of free time :P |
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| 03:42.35 | LordBrain | fizzmahon: it is especially easy if you find someone who posted online who has a similar graphics card to you. |
| 03:42.43 | protex | [5D]Silent_Chaos: I, unfortunately do not. Hence my departure from Gentoo |
| 03:43.05 | fizzmahon | LordBrain: where could i find that.... and im looking at the file now, it has identified my radeon 7500 but for all the modes there is only 800x600 |
| 03:43.23 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I've never tried Gentoo. Only ever used debian, only ever needed debian |
| 03:43.35 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | other than my usb drive adventures... |
| 03:44.21 | LordBrain | fizzmahon: ok, well then you should be able to start X then, its just you'd only have that one resolution |
| 03:44.34 | LordBrain | fizzmahon: is that right? |
| 03:44.34 | yansanmo | the problem I think with debian is that sometimes, the official packages are modified, so a program can compile on debian, but not in other distribution |
| 03:44.36 | fizzmahon | LordBrain: actually im currently in X |
| 03:44.46 | fizzmahon | LordBrain: its just it looks like crap! haha |
| 03:44.57 | fizzmahon | LordBrain: and im not sure if any 3d is working |
| 03:45.03 | LordBrain | fizzmahon: basicly, you want it to be higher res? |
| 03:45.18 | LordBrain | fizzmahon: oh, have you tried any 3d aps? |
| 03:45.30 | fizzmahon | LordBrain: uhh no i dont know any |
| 03:45.46 | yansanmo | planetpenguin ;p |
| 03:45.47 | LordBrain | well there is blender... |
| 03:45.55 | LordBrain | or one of the games |
| 03:45.56 | LordBrain | yeah |
| 03:46.43 | fizzmahon | opk let me try |
| 03:47.21 | LordBrain | planetpenguin-racer will install a gaim which will be horribly slow without your hardware 3d |
| 03:47.26 | LordBrain | game |
| 03:47.40 | fizzmahon | ok |
| 03:47.41 | Vaske_Car | is there shortcut to access terminal and root terminal? |
| 03:47.52 | LordBrain | actually there's probably a better way to figure out |
| 03:48.04 | wols | fizzmahon: glxinfo |
| 03:48.14 | fizzmahon | just installing |
| 03:48.16 | wols | fizzmahon: glxinfo|grep -i vendor |
| 03:48.25 | fizzmahon | ok wols |
| 03:48.41 | LordBrain | yeah thats what i was thinking of.. i forgot the command |
| 03:49.00 | yansanmo | glxgears also |
| 03:49.03 | fizzmahon | uh it says mesa |
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| 03:49.12 | fizzmahon | mesa project 3d |
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| 03:49.55 | fizzmahon | and penguin racer is INCREDIBLY slow! |
| 03:50.07 | wols | yansanmo: no |
| 03:50.15 | LordBrain | ok yes, you are using software rendering |
| 03:50.21 | wols | mesa 3d: software 3D only |
| 03:51.08 | inetd | hi all |
| 03:51.21 | wols | fizzmahon: if you really have an ATI, the "radeon" driver should work fine |
| 03:51.24 | inetd | its been long time ive been here....couple of months maybe.. |
| 03:51.34 | wols | fizzmahon: what is your current driver? VESA? |
| 03:51.45 | fizzmahon | wols: no clue =S |
| 03:51.52 | fizzmahon | wols: how do i go about finding out. |
| 03:52.26 | wols | grep -i VESA /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 03:53.00 | Vaske_Car | is there any easy tutorial of how to install ATI drivers? |
| 03:53.13 | LordBrain | wols: he's on debian stable, thats still xfree86 |
| 03:53.33 | wols | !ati |
| 03:53.33 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver, or for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 03:54.07 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | *sigh* error loading operating system again |
| 03:54.10 | fizzmahon | wols: uh no X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:54.13 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | time to scrap the hard drive |
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| 03:54.57 | LordBrain | fizzmahon: he meant /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... xorg.conf is for testing and unstable |
| 03:55.09 | fizzmahon | LordBrain: thanks |
| 03:55.22 | fizzmahon | does not return results |
| 03:55.28 | wols | fizzmahon: XF86Config-4 or such then |
| 03:55.40 | fizzmahon | wols: doesnt return anything |
| 03:55.44 | liable | tab! |
| 03:55.56 | enouf | dr pepper! |
| 03:56.22 | wols | grep Driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:56.31 | liable | eek, i am surprised anyone made that link. do they still sell it over there? |
| 03:56.55 | mynullvoid | anyone have experience running zimbra with postfix on debian |
| 03:57.05 | fizzmahon | fizzmahon: glxinfo|grep -i vendor |
| 03:57.08 | fizzmahon | oops. |
| 03:57.13 | fizzmahon | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.14 | fizzmahon | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.16 | fizzmahon | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.23 | wols | use the radeon driver |
| 03:57.26 | Vaske_Car | it does not accpet this command "sh ati-*.run --buildpkg Debian/sarge" |
| 03:57.48 | wols | define "does not accept" |
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| 03:58.11 | Vaske_Car | no such file or directory |
| 03:58.14 | yansanmo | you avec to download the ati-*.run file before |
| 03:58.17 | LordBrain | Vaske_Car: you are also working on installing a driver for an ati card? |
| 03:58.22 | Vaske_Car | yes |
| 03:58.57 | fizzmahon | wols: where can i get radeon driver? |
| 03:59.03 | wols | fizzmahon: you already have it |
| 03:59.11 | wols | !tell fizzmahon about drxx |
| 03:59.33 | protex | Debian uses Xfree86 instead of xorg? |
| 03:59.48 | fizzmahon | wols: woah didnt understand that |
| 04:00.03 | fizzmahon | wols: how do i go about applying the radeon driver? |
| 04:00.25 | LordBrain | prolific: debian stable does |
| 04:00.29 | wols | dpkg already told you (if it's available in xfree86 hopefully) |
| 04:00.44 | LordBrain | excuse me, protex : debian stable does |
| 04:01.01 | LordBrain | i think he's already using the radeon driver |
| 04:01.10 | wols | 05:57 < fizzmahon> Driver "ati" |
| 04:01.11 | wols | he is? |
| 04:01.13 | LordBrain | but for some reason has only software 3d |
| 04:01.19 | LordBrain | oh |
| 04:01.28 | LordBrain | well, i thought he said so earlier |
| 04:01.35 | protex | LordBrain: Aye, I'm unsure of the differences between xorg and Xfree86 =( |
| 04:01.59 | fizzmahon | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:02.02 | fizzmahon | like that wols? |
| 04:02.04 | wols | protex: license. and xorg is a fork and developed further. xfree has mostly stagnated. for a long time now |
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| 04:02.25 | protex | wols: And Debian doesn't use Xorg because of it's social contract right? |
| 04:02.38 | LordBrain | protex: well... xorg is more modular to develop on, xfree86 has some features xorg doesnt, and there was a license issue leading debian to abondon xfree86 in favor of xorg |
| 04:02.38 | wols | protex: no. debian does use xorg |
| 04:02.43 | yansanmo | Xorg has stagnated more than debian ;p |
| 04:02.46 | wols | but the fork came too late for release of sarge |
| 04:02.51 | fizzmahon | wols: did "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and it brought up the selection of drivers but no radeon. |
| 04:03.00 | protex | wols: Oh I see |
| 04:03.01 | yansanmo | XFree, I mean |
| 04:03.08 | protex | LordBrain: Aye, alrighty. |
| 04:03.16 | tuv | has anyone need help to run tex4ht (htlatex) with texlive? :) |
| 04:04.04 | yansanmo | not yet.. |
| 04:04.14 | wols | fizzmahon: then I dunno how to get it in xfree, sorry |
| 04:04.33 | fizzmahon | wols: would using Vega help anyhting |
| 04:04.34 | yansanmo | search: how to install radeon driver with XFree |
| 04:04.50 | yansanmo | and pick the 5 first answer in google |
| 04:05.21 | yansanmo | (and add to the search query: in debian stable) |
| 04:05.34 | protex | I think I'd like to try out Debian... I'll download the netinst CD. |
| 04:05.37 | wols | fizzmahon: there is no "vega", it's "VESA" and no it would be owrse. lot worse: not even 2D acceleration |
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| 04:05.50 | LordBrain | !xorg |
| 04:05.51 | dpkg | i guess xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 04:06.11 | LordBrain | dpkg: get xorg? |
| 04:06.12 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 04:06.13 | fizzmahon | ok |
| 04:06.14 | wols | fizzmahon: you could try a backport for xorg or use etch |
| 04:06.32 | LordBrain | dpkg: xorg sarge? |
| 04:06.32 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/, or ask me about <bpo> |
| 04:09.29 | Vaske_Car | I think its to dificult for me to install ATI drivers :( |
| 04:09.35 | multi_io | what "problems" does apt-get have here? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4146 |
| 04:10.08 | multi_io | without the --yes it works just fine (after pressing enter to proceed) |
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| 04:26.05 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | My USB install is working |
| 04:26.26 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I'm gonna run debian off of a flash drive till it dies |
| 04:26.30 | netdaemon | is it possible to wardrive using ndiswrapper? |
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| 04:28.51 | ej | can someone tell me how to force packages to be upgarded |
| 04:29.30 | wols | ej: dpkg -i for example. depends on your actual problem tho |
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| 04:30.50 | ej | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.00 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | :O |
| 04:31.04 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | #ubuntu |
| 04:31.15 | ej | tryed them... |
| 04:31.17 | cellofellow | #xubuntu |
| 04:31.26 | ej | tryed that 2... |
| 04:31.38 | ej | this is an apt question thow |
| 04:31.40 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | ej, use synaptic package manager |
| 04:31.48 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | jebus, ubuntu makes it so easy |
| 04:31.49 | ej | I cant login to x |
| 04:31.53 | ej | thats the whole point |
| 04:31.56 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | ah |
| 04:32.04 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 04:32.04 | dpkg | i heard ubuntu is A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ or /join #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 04:32.05 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | doesn't synaptic have a cli config? |
| 04:32.13 | wols | and no it's NOT a debian question. not at all. |
| 04:32.31 | wols | [5D]Silent_Chaos: use aptitude |
| 04:32.32 | ej | i said apt |
| 04:32.36 | ej | not debian |
| 04:32.36 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | !tell me about Based On Debian |
| 04:32.38 | ej | peace |
| 04:32.57 | lunitik | [5D]Silent_Chaos: /msg dpkg factoid ... grrr |
| 04:33.02 | wols | ej: you don't run debian. look at this channel name. dozens of distros run apt. heck fedora can. we don#t support fedora |
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| 04:33.47 | ej | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.48 | lunitik | wols: direct them at factoids, thats all... no need to be rude |
| 04:33.50 | ej | where* |
| 04:34.30 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | well that was exactly what linux isn't about... |
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| 04:35.07 | liable | and lets leave that conversation right there |
| 04:35.27 | lunitik | [5D]Silent_Chaos: Debian isn't Linux... Debian can also use FreeBSD or HURD kernels... |
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| 04:35.55 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | Debian uses linux like ubuntu uses debian's .deb system, you made your point, I get it |
| 04:36.01 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | we're cool now |
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| 04:36.32 | lunitik | [5D]Silent_Chaos: Debian happens to contain Linux, and the most famous flavor is indeed based on a Linux kernel... |
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| 04:37.19 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | damn... I thought I was running the Windows kernel... |
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| 04:37.41 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | well you sure showed me the light, thank you |
| 04:38.00 | lunitik | [5D]Silent_Chaos: there was actually work to port Debian to Windows kernel... but it never got anywhere :P |
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| 04:38.05 | LordBrain | that sarcasm? |
| 04:38.10 | nevyn | [5D]Silent_Chaos: that'd be cool I'd use that.. |
| 04:38.17 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I wouldn't |
| 04:38.26 | nevyn | think about it a microkernel with a good scheduler. |
| 04:38.26 | lunitik | LordBrain: directed at me? No, there really was work to that end... |
| 04:38.48 | LordBrain | no sorry, i meant [5D]Silent_Chaos |
| 04:38.58 | nevyn | I hate iosched |
| 04:39.00 | nevyn | it's evil |
| 04:39.14 | lunitik | nevyn: who uses iosched? |
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| 04:39.55 | Miesco | I did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686, I booted into it and I got errors |
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| 04:40.48 | Miesco | Pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 432: Cannot open dev/console: No such file kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
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| 04:41.38 | Miesco | What should I do? |
| 04:41.39 | nevyn | lunitik: ioshed is set to anticipatory by default |
| 04:41.48 | nevyn | lunitik: and it causes pain and suffering |
| 04:43.12 | JJ|Laptop | does "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" look right for soures.list in apt-get or do i need other lines? |
| 04:43.43 | wols | that's only security updates for stable |
| 04:43.47 | JJ|Laptop | ok |
| 04:43.52 | JJ|Laptop | what should i put in it |
| 04:44.08 | JJ|Laptop | my debian has local DC mirros that died |
| 04:44.16 | JJ|Laptop | *mirrors |
| 04:44.38 | wols | a stable mirror in your country |
| 04:44.40 | JJ|Laptop | wols: i remember you from before... |
| 04:44.51 | wols | whoohooo! |
| 04:44.57 | JJ|Laptop | i sjut want like a main official one |
| 04:44.58 | wols | or notorious? |
| 04:45.06 | JJ|Laptop | it's just a server |
| 04:45.13 | JJ|Laptop | wols: annoying? |
| 04:45.14 | JJ|Laptop | :p |
| 04:45.23 | wols | www.debian.org/mirrors |
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| 04:46.29 | JJ|Laptop | so what do i do with it? |
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| 04:49.54 | JJ|Laptop | wols: so what do i put in the sources.list? |
| 04:51.43 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | the sources |
| 04:52.39 | wols | JJ|Laptop: man sources.list |
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| 04:56.00 | JJ|Laptop | do i need deb-src? |
| 04:56.27 | phyburn | how do you start the xwindow config? |
| 04:56.32 | wols | if you want to build packages from source |
| 04:56.35 | wols | !tell phyburn about drxx |
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| 04:57.53 | Miesco | Can someone please help me |
| 04:58.04 | JJ|Laptop | wols: would i do that by doing apt-get install foobar? |
| 04:58.06 | wols | !fix Miesco |
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| 04:58.17 | wols | JJ|Laptop: no |
| 04:58.53 | wols | Miesco: do you have sata disk(s)? |
| 04:59.02 | wols | or rather: boot from them? |
| 04:59.19 | JJ|Laptop | so would this work... |
| 04:59.20 | JJ|Laptop | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 04:59.20 | JJ|Laptop | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian dists/stable-updates/ |
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| 04:59.28 | Miesco | wols: I boot in my new kernel-image-6.3.8-2-686 and I get: Pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 432: Cannot open dev/console: No such file kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 04:59.38 | wols | answer my question |
| 04:59.50 | Miesco | wols: I just reinstalled debian and it worked |
| 04:59.56 | Miesco | Repartitioned it |
| 05:00.06 | wols | come back if you can read a question and answer it |
| 05:00.16 | Miesco | I cant upgrade from 2.4, it keeps giving me that error |
| 05:00.20 | JJ|Laptop | wols: would that work? |
| 05:00.22 | phyburn | wols: for the netinstall what window server does it install? it never said |
| 05:00.43 | wols | phyburn: depends if it's sarge or etch |
| 05:00.50 | phyburn | sarge |
| 05:01.00 | wols | JJ|Laptop: I don't know and I don't care: #debian is not for pasting |
| 05:01.06 | wols | phyburn: xfree86 |
| 05:02.23 | Miesco | wols: Do you know what I should do? |
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| 05:03.42 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | Miesco, that is an odd one |
| 05:04.09 | wols | Miesco: install debian with a 2.6 kernel |
| 05:04.18 | enouf | Miesco: are you running any raid/md/lvm disks? |
| 05:04.28 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | would an update before the upgrade help? |
| 05:04.29 | Miesco | enouf: I dont know |
| 05:04.52 | enouf | Miesco: pastebin the output of cat /etc/fstab |
| 05:05.17 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | attempt #2 usb drive base install |
| 05:05.21 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | 512 stick |
| 05:06.09 | Miesco | enouf: http://pastebin.co.uk/4428 |
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| 05:06.43 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | looks pretty normal to me |
| 05:07.06 | Miesco | [5D]Silent_Chaos: Are you trying to use a usb stick? |
| 05:07.15 | enouf | Miesco: ok .. looks good ..no raid/md/lvm .. so why did you reinstalled? and used 2.4kernel? |
| 05:07.30 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I'm on my second attempt, my theory on the 128 stick's install failure was that it wasn't big enough |
| 05:07.37 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | so I popped in a 512 for another go |
| 05:07.40 | wols | enouf: 2.4 cause he pressed "enter" |
| 05:07.48 | enouf | hehe |
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| 05:08.17 | Miesco | enouf: I had to repartition because my hardrive was fudged up, and what wols said |
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| 05:08.35 | wols | Miesco: can you answer a question? |
| 05:08.39 | enouf | Miesco: earlie tonight .. was that before? or after you reinstalled? |
| 05:09.36 | Miesco | wols: I didn't reinstall nothin |
| 05:09.36 | Miesco | enouf: I didn't reinstall nothin |
| 05:09.36 | enouf | Miesco: really ? [00:51:05] <Miesco> wols: I just reinstalled debian and it worked |
| 05:09.39 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | aww you beat me to it |
| 05:09.42 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | : / |
| 05:09.44 | enouf | :-p |
| 05:10.06 | wols | he's not only incapable of answering stuff, he's incapable of saying the truth too :) |
| 05:10.08 | Miesco | enouf: I ment, this month I reinstalled debian/repartitioned |
| 05:10.29 | Miesco | Might of been last month :/ |
| 05:10.38 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | wols, he's not lying, he's ignorant and possibly confused |
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| 05:11.03 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | which is understandable since he's here asking questions |
| 05:11.19 | enouf | Miesco: pastebin the output of cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:12.18 | Miesco | enouf: Cant you do cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | gedit or something? |
| 05:13.14 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | woot 32% done the base install on the usb drive |
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| 05:14.28 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | oh noez netsplit |
| 05:14.28 | Miesco | Okay I got it |
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| 05:14.29 | phyburn | wols: I ran it and for some reason I am still getting probelems. When ever I startx I just get blinking lines on my screen |
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| 05:14.29 | wols | phyburn: what videocard? what's in your X logs? |
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| 05:16.22 | Miesco | enouf: http://pastebin.co.uk/4430 |
| 05:16.23 | phyburn | wols: I am using a Nvdia 6800GS |
| 05:16.23 | enouf | Miesco: also .. do you have a symlink in / that points to /boot ..like this--> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2006-06-29 19:35 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 05:16.23 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | not bad phyburn, my buddy has a couple of those in SLI, damn nice cards |
| 05:16.24 | phyburn | ^_^ thanks |
| 05:16.24 | Halitherses | I am using xorg. how do I mak exorg output a screen resolution of 1280*1024. |
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| 05:16.24 | phyburn | where are the X logs again? |
| 05:16.24 | Miesco | enouf: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2006-10-21 00:53 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8 |
| 05:16.24 | wols | phyburn: you need the nvidia driver, not nv. or possibly vesa if you really want to. |
| 05:16.24 | Miesco | 2-686 |
| 05:16.24 | enouf | Miesco: and this --> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2006-06-29 19:35 initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 05:16.25 | phyburn | wols: do I need to download it or is it already installed? |
| 05:16.25 | enouf | Meisco .. yes otr no is ok |
| 05:16.25 | Miesco | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2006-10-21 00:53 initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img |
| 05:16.25 | Miesco | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 05:16.25 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | install the nvidia driver then configure xorg.conf to use the driver |
| 05:16.25 | wols | phyburn: /var/log. but you possibly need a different driver. don't think sarge xfree86's nv can handle 6xxx cards |
| 05:16.25 | enouf | oh well |
| 05:16.26 | Miesco | Yes then :) |
| 05:16.26 | wols | phyburn: vesa is already there. nvidia is a non free binary only driver |
| 05:16.26 | wols | !tell phyburn about nvidia |
| 05:16.27 | Halitherses | I am using xorg. How can I increase my resolution to 1280*1024? |
| 05:16.27 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | xorg.conf |
| 05:16.33 | LordBrain | you need to make a modeline for it |
| 05:16.44 | wols | Halitherses: try cltr+alt+plus (on num block) |
| 05:17.03 | phyburn | wols: what do you think will be better the nvdia driver or the vesa one? |
| 05:17.05 | wols | Miesco: do you have a sata disk? |
| 05:17.13 | insmod | phyburn: use the nvidia driver |
| 05:17.13 | Miesco | enouf: I tried 2.6.8-3-686 and 2.6.8-2-686, should I try another? |
| 05:17.17 | Miesco | wols: Um yes |
| 05:17.22 | wols | nvidia if you want any semblance of speed at all. vesa is sloooooowww |
| 05:17.31 | oTToRoCk | phyburn nvidia |
| 05:17.32 | wols | Miesco: what took you so long to answer? |
| 05:17.44 | Miesco | wols: I was typing to enouf |
| 05:17.47 | Miesco | See ^^^ |
| 05:17.56 | wols | Miesco: no. I asked you almost half an hour ago |
| 05:18.08 | phyburn | anyone know the package name by anychance? |
| 05:18.14 | Miesco | wols: Oh sorry I missed it |
| 05:18.28 | Halitherses | wols, i know aboout ctl-alt-plus. That will only give me a maximum of 1024*768. I need to make xorg supply 1280*1024. |
| 05:18.29 | wols | phyburn: dpkg knows. it's wise. so wise it already told you |
| 05:18.40 | enouf | Miesco: can you still boot you 2.4.27 kerenl ?? and what says cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:18.43 | JJ|Laptop | !apt-get\ |
| 05:18.50 | enouf | Miesco: as far as your CPU |
| 05:19.00 | wols | Halitherses: then you need to edit your xorg.conf and kick the xorg maintainer's ass for providing such a shitty install script |
| 05:19.20 | Miesco | enouf: Yes I can boot 2.4 and it says: model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz |
| 05:19.28 | phyburn | wols: for some reason my NIC is not running any ideas on how to start it? I downloaded everything fine but now it's not there <_< |
| 05:19.52 | wols | what NIC do you have? |
| 05:20.00 | phyburn | nvidia |
| 05:20.09 | enouf | Miesco: so you have a Sata disk? |
| 05:20.15 | Miesco | enouf: Yes |
| 05:20.16 | wols | lsmod |grep forced |
| 05:20.19 | wols | what does it say? |
| 05:20.23 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | :O 61% done USB install, all good so far |
| 05:21.04 | enouf | Miesco: then the 2.6 kerenels see them as /dev/sda [b,c,d] .. so change the /dev/hdc3 to /dev/sdc3 |
| 05:21.23 | enouf | ooops hda3 to sda3 |
| 05:21.29 | wols | and if forcedeth is loaded, is "ifconfig -a" showing any NIC? |
| 05:21.37 | Miesco | enouf: Really? Okay |
| 05:21.37 | wols | Miesco: change menu.lst too |
| 05:21.50 | Miesco | wols: What else would I change? |
| 05:21.59 | wols | Miesco: I asked the question about sata long ago just because of that |
| 05:22.04 | wols | fstab and menu.lst |
| 05:22.07 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | ifconfig requires su doesn't it? |
| 05:22.12 | wols | no |
| 05:22.16 | phyburn | wols: Frocedeth 24068 0 |
| 05:22.25 | enouf | Miesco: yes .. as wols said too |
| 05:22.33 | wols | phyburn: so is it shown via ifconfig -a? |
| 05:22.37 | wols | any IP assigned? |
| 05:22.41 | phyburn | wols: ifconfig -a is showing my NIC |
| 05:23.26 | Miesco | enouf: Change /etc/fstab, then I wont be able to use 2.4? |
| 05:23.41 | wols | Miesco: yes. either/or. your choice. keep a livecd handy |
| 05:23.49 | Miesco | :) |
| 05:23.53 | enouf | Miesco: no .. just alter menu.lst where the 2.6.8 is ... |
| 05:24.04 | Miesco | Not fstab? |
| 05:24.09 | wols | Miesco: both |
| 05:24.27 | enouf | but yes to change the /etc/fstab .. that's going to be what the "single" mode boot entries are for :-) |
| 05:24.27 | wols | phyburn: well? |
| 05:24.43 | phyburn | wols: I did ifconfig en1 up |
| 05:24.52 | phyburn | I need to turn DHCP on |
| 05:24.55 | wols | that's not what I asked. please answer my question |
| 05:24.59 | Miesco | enouf: So change fstab for single mode? |
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| 05:25.18 | wols | phyburn: man interfaces. it tells you how to set dhcp for the card |
| 05:25.29 | Miesco | enouf: So change /etc/fstab? |
| 05:25.33 | phyburn | wols: ifconfig -a is showing my NIC |
| 05:25.36 | heatxsink | has anyone in here ever used ATI and NVIDIA cards on the same box? |
| 05:25.42 | wols | phyburn: I asked more than that |
| 05:25.57 | Miesco | K im rebooting, i'll tell you if it works |
| 05:25.59 | phyburn | wols there is no IP assigned to it |
| 05:26.00 | enouf | Miesco: Change both -- if you run into an issue you can still get to 2.4.27 by choosing Single/REcovery from Grub screen .. and then |
| 05:26.09 | Miesco | K |
| 05:26.13 | Miesco | brb |
| 05:26.53 | wols | phyburn: if you haven't set it up for dhcp, change your /etc/network/interfaces and then run "ifup -a" as root |
| 05:27.06 | teledyn | heatxsink: i haven't, but i imagine its doable if you had 2 seperate x configs for each card |
| 05:27.19 | Halitherses | wols, Where are the settings contained in the xorg.conf documented? Isn't there an install wizard I can run? |
| 05:27.31 | teledyn | heatxsink: but don't quote me on that cause i don't know |
| 05:27.37 | liable | enouf: if he changes fstab, how can the 2.4 still work? |
| 05:28.05 | wols | Halitherses: there is a "install wizard" |
| 05:28.09 | wols | !tell Halitherses about drxx |
| 05:28.14 | teledyn | heatxsink: running the x servers concurrently i don't know, but one at a time i would say should be no problem |
| 05:28.28 | wols | unfortunately whoever wrote it for xorg, is a <censored> |
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| 05:28.40 | wols | Halitherses: so you need to edit by hand |
| 05:29.07 | phyburn | wols: it seems to already be set up. allow-hotplug eth1 iface eth1 inet dhcp |
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| 05:29.22 | wols | why allow-hotplug? |
| 05:29.27 | Vaske_Car | how do I kill application if it slow down my PC? |
| 05:29.31 | wols | and it's not starting automatically it seems |
| 05:29.33 | liable | phyburn: you need an auto line for it to start at boot |
| 05:29.41 | enouf | liable: good question .. im thinkng about perhaps editing grub to effect the changes (manually) .. but can't seem to figure how to keep a line in /etc/fstab (but commented out?) .. for possible alterenate kernels |
| 05:29.42 | wols | Vaske_Car: man kill, man killall, man pkill |
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| 05:30.00 | Miesco | Hurray! |
| 05:30.02 | wols | enouf: there is no way imho |
| 05:30.02 | liable | enouf: i dont think its possible |
| 05:30.10 | Vaske_Car | I had case 10 minutes ago that Konqueror frozed my PC and I could not open terminal...... |
| 05:30.15 | phyburn | liable: so would I just say auto eth1 ? |
| 05:30.16 | enouf | wols: I guessthat's why wols said the LiveCD thing |
| 05:30.17 | wols | enouf: well, there is.bad initrd magic.... |
| 05:30.17 | Miesco | enouf: It works! But X doesn't :( |
| 05:30.21 | liable | phyburn: ya |
| 05:30.34 | wols | Vaske_Car: ctrl+alt+f3 |
| 05:30.37 | Miesco | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 05:30.44 | Miesco | How come I get that with the 2.6 kernel??? |
| 05:30.47 | wols | Miesco: you need to reinstall that |
| 05:30.50 | enouf | !drxx |
| 05:30.50 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 05:30.56 | enouf | ooops |
| 05:31.01 | Miesco | wols: The ndivia one liner will work? |
| 05:31.06 | phyburn | liable thanks |
| 05:31.12 | wols | welcome to the wonderful world of shitty binary only drivers where every kernel update will force you to reinstall it |
| 05:31.13 | liable | Miesco: you need to remake the nvidia module for every kernel you install |
| 05:31.25 | Miesco | liable: So what do I do? |
| 05:31.27 | wols | Miesco: only kernel module.not all |
| 05:31.36 | wols | and yes it would work |
| 05:32.01 | Miesco | My kernel is from a debian package |
| 05:32.23 | wols | doesn't matter. your nvidia module is NOT from debian (even if debian installed it) |
| 05:32.23 | Halitherses | !xmd5 |
| 05:32.24 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg> |
| 05:32.29 | wols | 07:31 < wols> welcome to the wonderful world of shitty binary only drivers |
| 05:32.36 | Miesco | !nvidia one liner |
| 05:32.36 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 05:32.46 | liable | Miesco: same way you made it for the 2.4 kernel |
| 05:32.52 | enouf | Miesco: wols : liable : could Miesco still do drxx and choose the 2D only 'nv' module - as a temporary solution? |
| 05:33.06 | wols | enouf: yes. unless he has a 6xxx or 7xxx card perhaps |
| 05:33.07 | liable | yeah |
| 05:33.25 | phyburn | !dpkg nvidia installer |
| 05:33.34 | phyburn | any help ^_^ |
| 05:33.35 | wols | !tell phyburn about msg |
| 05:33.37 | enouf | thanks wols liable -- I wasn't sure WHAT that proprietary driver does/needs |
| 05:33.39 | Vaske_Car | wold: how do I list processes and their ID from terminal? |
| 05:33.41 | phyburn | thanks |
| 05:33.44 | wols | !tell Miesco about msg |
| 05:33.45 | Vaske_Car | wols: |
| 05:34.01 | wols | Vaske_Car: ps aux |grep <taskname>. or just use killall |
| 05:34.02 | LordBrain | Vaske_Car: ps ax |
| 05:35.00 | Vaske_Car | so "man pkill 1293" would kill process with ID 1293? |
| 05:35.05 | wols | no |
| 05:35.09 | wols | man man |
| 05:35.15 | Vaske_Car | :) |
| 05:35.25 | Vaske_Car | I have to read again :) |
| 05:35.29 | wols | !tell Vaske_Car about Growly |
| 05:35.31 | wols | oops |
| 05:35.37 | wols | !tell Vaske_Car about grounding |
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| 05:37.22 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | wow, USB install was successful, attempting a boot |
| 05:37.34 | wols | good luck |
| 05:38.14 | Vaske_Car | wols, how do I return bash in terminal after using command man man ? |
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| 05:38.29 | stew | Vaske_Car: hit q |
| 05:38.36 | wols | q |
| 05:38.39 | wols | doh! |
| 05:38.41 | Vaske_Car | k |
| 05:38.46 | stew | no, not k, q |
| 05:38.56 | Vaske_Car | k = ok |
| 05:38.57 | oxyride | :wq! |
| 05:38.58 | Vaske_Car | :) |
| 05:38.59 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | :) |
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| 05:39.09 | Miesco_ | YEA, IPOD WORKS, X WORKS, 2.6 WORKS! THANKS! |
| 05:39.17 | stew | Miesco_: does caps-lock work? |
| 05:39.27 | Miesco_ | stew: Im afraid so |
| 05:39.27 | wols | obviously it does |
| 05:39.34 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | anyone know what Error 21 means? |
| 05:39.37 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | :'( |
| 05:39.41 | Miesco_ | Actually I used shift :) |
| 05:40.03 | stew | [5D]Silent_Chaos: its slightly worse than error 20 |
| 05:40.04 | LordBrain | maybe 21 was the exit code instead of 0 |
| 05:40.23 | LordBrain | of whatever the script last executed.. |
| 05:40.33 | LordBrain | just a guess |
| 05:40.42 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | GRUB Loading Stage1.5. |
| 05:40.52 | LordBrain | oh |
| 05:40.55 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | GRUB loading, please wait... |
| 05:40.57 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | Error 21 |
| 05:40.59 | wols | Error 21 means "Can not find disk" |
| 05:41.14 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | O_O |
| 05:41.29 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | that was quite possibly the worst news I could have gotten |
| 05:41.34 | SpeedyG | which was actually the third hit on google.. |
| 05:41.35 | wols | meaning whatever you told to use to get the kernel isn't what the BIOS thinks |
| 05:41.36 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | but thanks anyway :) |
| 05:41.41 | LordBrain | ok, sounds like you've got the MBR, but where's the rest of grub.. needs to be in a file system.. |
| 05:41.46 | wols | so find out what number the BIOS assigns to your USB |
| 05:42.16 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I'm not even sure where grub installed itself |
| 05:42.27 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.32 | phyburn | wols: in the instruction is said to install the package ` nvidia-kernel-common` (for the nvidia driver installer) but there is no package by that name |
| 05:43.03 | wols | phyburn: I think there is only nvidia-source, nothing else for the kernel |
| 05:43.13 | wols | !tell phyburn about nvidia one liner |
| 05:46.24 | phyburn | wols: sorry but I don't understand anything in the on liner page |
| 05:46.35 | phyburn | wols: all it's is commands |
| 05:47.32 | wols | yes. that's all you need. unless you encounter an error |
| 05:48.02 | phyburn | run all of those commands? |
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| 05:52.48 | phyburn | wols: failed |
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| 05:53.16 | wols | a fail has error mesage(s) |
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| 05:53.31 | wols | since you didn't paste any, I have to assume there was no fail |
| 05:55.23 | phyburn | wols: "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source failed |
| 05:55.30 | damnage_hack | morgen. ich habe auf den partitionen xfs, irgendwie ist der kernel ständig am reorganisieren. kann man das konfigurieren bzw. kann ich sehen, wo da genau zugegriffen wird? |
| 05:55.31 | phyburn | " |
| 05:55.35 | wols | !de |
| 05:55.36 | dpkg | de is, like, Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 05:56.03 | wols | phyburn: nothing else? |
| 05:56.04 | damnage_hack | hi. how can i tune my xfs partitions? the kernel seems to access the filesystem every time. |
| 05:56.17 | damnage_hack | sorry, my copy paste fault. |
| 05:56.33 | phyburn | wols: no |
| 05:56.46 | phyburn | wols: big blue screen comes and tells me that |
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| 06:00.11 | liable | phyburn: you will prolly need the kernel headers for the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 06:00.29 | liable | phyburn: m-a usually has logs in /var/cache |
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| 06:04.15 | phyburn | wols: I think the installer is failing because it can't get the package nvidia-glx |
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| 06:05.42 | wols | !find nvidia-glx sarge |
| 06:06.02 | Fyre | whats the command to reset a file back to its defaults? |
| 06:07.21 | phyburn | wols: ? |
| 06:08.02 | insmod | Fyre: rm the .hidden_file |
| 06:08.25 | wols | !find nvidia-glx sarge |
| 06:08.30 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'nvidia-glx' returned no results. |
| 06:08.38 | insmod | Fyre: eg rm .xmms -- new xmms on restart |
| 06:09.13 | insmod | wols: use the actual nvidia drivers |
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| 06:09.31 | Fyre | insmod: im having a problem with iptables not booting on startup, there was a command that "reset" iptables back to its defaults i was just wondering what it was |
| 06:09.39 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvidia-glx&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 06:09.43 | wols | they are in sarge |
| 06:09.50 | phyburn | wols: also I am running amd64 |
| 06:09.51 | wols | insmod: one doesn't |
| 06:09.58 | wols | !tell insmod about nvidia |
| 06:10.09 | wols | phyburn: then you are not running sarge |
| 06:10.16 | wols | and you are NOT running XFree86 |
| 06:10.31 | dswing | hello? |
| 06:10.33 | liable | sarge has a 64 version |
| 06:10.36 | dswing | anyone here? |
| 06:10.52 | teledyn | no |
| 06:11.23 | phyburn | wols: o guess I am running xorg? |
| 06:11.30 | insmod | wols; that's 1 wrong and 2 gay stupid GNU politics use it because it works |
| 06:11.40 | phyburn | will the drivers not work with amd64? |
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| 06:12.05 | wols | insmod: no it's not. the nvidia installer will not work if you simply run it and press "next, next, finish" |
| 06:12.08 | insmod | Fyre: start it in init.d |
| 06:12.11 | wols | phyburn: they will work |
| 06:12.21 | Fyre | insmod: it is in init.d |
| 06:12.22 | wols | liable: it has? since when? |
| 06:12.43 | insmod | wols: why does everytime i do -- just have to be out of X |
| 06:12.51 | wols | Fyre: iptables --flush |
| 06:13.00 | wols | insmod: doesn't. wrong pathes. I recently tried on isd |
| 06:13.01 | liable | wols: since long time. not actually official, but its defacto official |
| 06:13.01 | wols | sid |
| 06:13.23 | insmod | wols: did it last week sorry your wrong |
| 06:14.16 | phyburn | wols: I am not able to find nvidia-glx |
| 06:14.34 | Fyre | wols: whats the command that resets all of iptables everyfile back to its defaults? i was told it a while back but forgotten it and it fixed the same problem im having now |
| 06:14.53 | liable | iptables -Z ?? |
| 06:14.54 | wols | phyburn: are you on etch or sarge? |
| 06:15.03 | wols | Fyre: everyfile? |
| 06:15.05 | liable | theres another one too i cant remember |
| 06:15.11 | Fyre | wols: yes |
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| 06:15.20 | wols | !confuse Fyre |
| 06:15.20 | dpkg | Yes, where was their mushroom tomorrow, Fyre? pants of the democracy of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 06:15.34 | phyburn | wols: I guess etch because you said before that I am not on sarge because I am running Amd64 ver |
| 06:15.38 | Fyre | :P |
| 06:16.11 | wols | phyburn: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 06:17.07 | phyburn | wols: ? |
| 06:17.18 | phyburn | wols: want me to give you the output |
| 06:17.41 | wols | I want to know the version of your libc6 |
| 06:17.56 | phyburn | 2.3.6.ds1-4 |
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| 06:18.42 | wols | etch |
| 06:18.53 | wols | strange thing is, you having xfree86? |
| 06:19.09 | phyburn | i have xorg |
| 06:19.23 | wols | more etch |
| 06:19.34 | wols | !why is nvidia-glx not in etch |
| 06:19.34 | dpkg | wols: what are you talking about? |
| 06:19.39 | wols | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 06:19.39 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 06:19.53 | liable | !etch nvidia |
| 06:19.54 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 06:20.21 | phyburn | yea I saw that but I don't understand it |
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| 06:20.38 | wols | it means nvidia drivers are not in etch due to policy violations |
| 06:20.46 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | night all, be back tomorrow |
| 06:20.50 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | ZzZz |
| 06:20.56 | phyburn | wols: so there is no way to get them? |
| 06:21.37 | wols | see what dpkg said |
| 06:21.38 | insmod | wols; GNU politics -- what i said |
| 06:21.53 | wols | no it's not poltiics. it's POLICY |
| 06:22.16 | phyburn | so no way then? |
| 06:22.25 | wols | phyburn: do you even read? |
| 06:22.32 | wols | !tell phyburn about etch nvidia |
| 06:22.32 | phyburn | yes and I dont understand what it says |
| 06:22.34 | phyburn | as I said before |
| 06:22.42 | insmod | phyburn: ya just grab it from nvidia |
| 06:22.50 | wols | is english a 2nd language for you? |
| 06:23.02 | wols | "Try getting the necessary files from..." |
| 06:23.26 | wols | and you should have xorg 7 so it should be all fine afaik |
| 06:24.29 | phyburn | I read that but I don't understand it says to get these packages but I can;t get them |
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| 06:25.10 | valdyn | wols: which policy violation anyway? |
| 06:25.28 | phyburn | wols: it says to get nvidia-kerne-source |
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| 06:25.47 | phyburn | wols: and a bunch of others that are no longer there |
| 06:25.54 | insmod | phyburn: http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp |
| 06:26.15 | valdyn | insmod: why are you telling people to break debian packaging system? |
| 06:26.35 | insmod | valdyn: because it will work |
| 06:26.51 | valdyn | insmod: and are you tellnig them when it will break? |
| 06:26.52 | wols | phyburn: there is a nice deb entry there |
| 06:27.07 | insmod | valdyn: never has for me |
| 06:27.10 | phyburn | insmod: before it said not to use the nvidia drivers from the site |
| 06:27.21 | phyburn | wols: what is deb? |
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| 06:27.30 | wols | insmod: I use,and always used the nvidia installer. but IN HERE, you don't tell that anyone. cause it's wrong. people in here can't necessarily deal witht he breakage |
| 06:27.36 | valdyn | insmod: so you dont really understand what you are recommending anyway |
| 06:27.38 | wols | phyburn: a line starting wtih deb |
| 06:28.01 | insmod | phyburn: i do works great -- they just don't like it because it is propriatary |
| 06:28.09 | valdyn | insmod: nonsense |
| 06:28.13 | wols | no we don't like it cause it BREAKS |
| 06:28.23 | liable | to counter that argument, what will people say when those packages (non debian) dont work? |
| 06:28.57 | insmod | valdyn: been using linux 10 yrs i think i can it's ok |
| 06:29.06 | liable | heck, no one even helps people with the official non-free packages half the time |
| 06:29.16 | wols | insmod: you're a great old linux wizard. but not all people are as wise as you |
| 06:29.46 | insmod | wols: lol -- anyways |
| 06:30.09 | phyburn | insmod: how can I download it on my other system I can't startx |
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| 06:30.30 | liable | wget |
| 06:30.39 | SubStack | wget, links, curl, LWP::UserAgent |
| 06:30.52 | valdyn | phyburn: nvidias installer breaks on every upgrade of specific packages, and may not manual removal of specific files on future upgrades. If you can deal with that, feel free to use nvidias installer |
| 06:30.53 | SubStack | whichever's handy |
| 06:31.03 | liable | whats LWP? |
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| 06:31.04 | valdyn | phyburn: nvidias installer breaks on every upgrade of specific packages, and may require manual removal of specific files on future upgrades. If you can deal with that, feel free to use nvidias installer |
| 06:31.10 | wols | liable: #perl |
| 06:31.14 | liable | ah |
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| 06:31.30 | liable | i'll stay away from that one then... |
| 06:31.37 | wols | wise man :P |
| 06:32.25 | insmod | valdyn: been using nvidia drivers on linux -- ? 5 or so years -- never happend -- you mean the kernel compile sure -- then just reinstall nvidia -- pretty basic |
| 06:32.41 | valdyn | insmod: no i dont |
| 06:32.57 | insmod | valdyn: then? |
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| 06:34.14 | insmod | <valdyn> nvidias installer breaks on every upgrade of specific packages, and may require manual removal of specific files on future upgrades ------ yes because it recompiles -- just reinstall the driver |
| 06:34.34 | insmod | basic |
| 06:34.51 | valdyn | insmod: nvidias installer just overwrites some files belonging to debian. Every upgrade of one of those packages will break your nvidia driver |
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| 06:35.22 | liable | hrm, ati does much the same, i have to symlink to get it to work |
| 06:35.22 | insmod | valdyn: as i said it has neeeever happend |
| 06:35.54 | insmod | liable: ati sucks -- i get 10 x the fps on nvidia |
| 06:36.16 | valdyn | finally we end up on glxgears fps, ooo |
| 06:36.22 | liable | insmod: thats a discussion i dont want to get involved in.. :P |
| 06:36.36 | wols | !lart valdyn |
| 06:36.44 | wols | why did you have to even mention the unspeakable? |
| 06:36.54 | insmod | liable: no ati never plays moves as well as nvidia |
| 06:36.55 | valdyn | heja |
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| 06:37.00 | valdyn | err, heha! |
| 06:37.01 | insmod | movies |
| 06:37.06 | liable | insmod: i dont care |
| 06:37.14 | netdaemon | anyone know if the bcm43xx drivers work on the hp dv6000z lappy? |
| 06:37.16 | insmod | just saying |
| 06:37.20 | netdaemon | wireless drivers that is |
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| 06:37.51 | liable | netdaemon: check linux-laptops.net |
| 06:37.53 | wols | netdaemon: lspci should tell |
| 06:38.02 | liable | !tell netdaemon about laptop |
| 06:38.04 | valdyn | phyburn: now are you still stuck? |
| 06:38.32 | phyburn | valdyn: yea the nvidia installer does not work. Everything that could fail failed |
| 06:38.51 | valdyn | phyburn: im sure it gives a specific error message |
| 06:38.53 | insmod | phyburn: are you in X |
| 06:38.59 | liable | phyburn: did you read the install instructions? |
| 06:39.17 | liable | especially the bit about what you need for it to work.. |
| 06:39.25 | liable | like kernel headers? |
| 06:39.29 | netdaemon | liable: ty but the laptop is already ordered |
| 06:39.33 | wols | or build-essentials? |
| 06:39.37 | phyburn | valdyn: can't run runlevelcheck can't find precompiled kernel,cant download precompiled kernel, cant find CC ver, |
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| 06:39.55 | liable | netdaemon: its a good site to see how others have faired with your model |
| 06:39.57 | valdyn | phyburn: are you running a debian kernel? |
| 06:40.08 | phyburn | how do you check again? |
| 06:40.11 | netdaemon | i suppose i'll run knoppix and see before i go and overwrite media center |
| 06:40.14 | valdyn | phyburn: uname -r |
| 06:40.24 | insmod | phyburn: rrot? |
| 06:40.27 | insmod | root |
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| 06:40.35 | phyburn | 2.6.16-2-amd64-generic |
| 06:41.04 | valdyn | phyburn: apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-4(uname -r) |
| 06:41.19 | valdyn | phyburn: apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 06:41.30 | valdyn | phyburn: scratch that first line, 4!=$ |
| 06:41.53 | phyburn | wait what? |
| 06:42.08 | phyburn | scract what line? |
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| 06:43.13 | phyburn | valdyn: already have the newest ver |
| 06:43.22 | valdyn | phyburn: of both packages? |
| 06:44.14 | phyburn | o let me try the first one |
| 06:44.23 | phyburn | thought you siad dont do the first line |
| 06:44.37 | valdyn | phyburn: thats right, the 2nd line lists 2 packages |
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| 06:45.46 | phyburn | valdyn: sorry but I dont understand |
| 06:46.31 | valdyn | phyburn: i hardly know how to make it easier: build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) are 2 seperate distinct packages |
| 06:46.48 | phyburn | okay I udnerstand |
| 06:46.54 | wols | valdyn: you will encounter that often |
| 06:47.04 | phyburn | the first command is not running |
| 06:47.24 | valdyn | phyburn: that's ok, i told you to scratch it |
| 06:47.24 | phyburn | apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-4(uname -r) |
| 06:47.25 | wols | he told you to use the 2nd command only |
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| 06:48.01 | phyburn | o okay I dont understand when you put a 4!=$ in there |
| 06:48.16 | phyburn | and again I already have the newest ver |
| 06:48.22 | valdyn | phyburn: ok |
| 06:49.07 | valdyn | phyburn: run your nvidia installer as root, and tell errors. Guess the CC error will persist, the part where it cant find something to download isnt an error |
| 06:49.56 | wols | phyburn: start with the first error. subsequent errors are often only cause of the first |
| 06:50.06 | phyburn | okay |
| 06:50.19 | phyburn | so you want me to tell you all of the errors as they happen? |
| 06:50.31 | wols | first error as a start |
| 06:50.41 | phyburn | okay |
| 06:50.50 | phyburn | sh NVIDIA-package.run |
| 06:51.05 | phyburn | you want me to tell you the warnings? or just errors? |
| 06:51.16 | valdyn | phyburn: just errors |
| 06:52.41 | valdyn | wols: btw did he partially install nvidia debs earlier? |
| 06:52.52 | wols | coul be. didn't ask |
| 06:53.07 | wols | he tried m-a which failed |
| 06:53.09 | phyburn | ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module `ncidia.ko`. THis happens most frequently when this kernel module was buolt against the wrong or improperly configured kernel sources, with a version of gcc that differs from the one used to build the target kernl, blah blah (you want me to go on?) |
| 06:53.35 | valdyn | phyburn: cat /proc/version |
| 06:53.39 | phyburn | no I didn't install the debs I still dont know what they are |
| 06:53.47 | valdyn | phyburn: gcc --version |
| 06:53.50 | liable | yah, finally getting somewhere.. |
| 06:53.52 | wols | phyburn: you rand m-a you said |
| 06:54.00 | wols | *ran |
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| 06:55.33 | phyburn | Linux ver 2.6.16-2amd64-generic (debian 2.6.16-17) (some email) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060630 (prerelease) (debian 4.0.3-4)) date |
| 06:56.18 | valdyn | phyburn: dpkg -l gcc-4.0 | tail -1 |
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| 06:57.21 | phyburn | valdyn: no packages found matching gcc-4.0 |
| 06:57.32 | valdyn | phyburn: apt-get install gcc-4.0 |
| 06:58.26 | phyburn | valdyn: done |
| 06:58.38 | valdyn | phyburn: CC=gcc-4.0 NVIDIA... |
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| 06:59.29 | phyburn | what do you mean cc=gcc-4.0? |
| 06:59.39 | enouf | CC not cc |
| 07:00.18 | valdyn | phyburn: run the nvidia installer, but put CC=gcc-4.0 in front , makeing the line: CC=gcc-4.0 NVIDIA... |
| 07:00.36 | valdyn | phyburn: or CC=gcc-4.- sh NVIDIA.. |
| 07:00.43 | phyburn | o okay |
| 07:00.45 | valdyn | phyburn: or CC=gcc-4.0 sh NVIDIA.. |
| 07:01.08 | phyburn | name or service not known |
| 07:01.25 | valdyn | phyburn: how the hell did you command look like? |
| 07:01.33 | phyburn | lol |
| 07:01.56 | phyburn | lol my bad I put ssh ^_^ |
| 07:02.57 | phyburn | it gave me this error |
| 07:03.02 | phyburn | I am sorry warning |
| 07:03.03 | phyburn | I mean |
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| 07:03.21 | netdaemon | er |
| 07:03.28 | netdaemon | trying to install nvidia drivers on amd64? |
| 07:04.09 | phyburn | You appear to be using a modular Xorg realse, but nvidia-installer could not find the pkg-config' utility required to determine the correct X library installation path. Please install the pkg-config utility and the Xorg SDK/development packge for your distribution |
| 07:04.16 | phyburn | I hate typing that ^_^ |
| 07:04.23 | netdaemon | keep going |
| 07:04.25 | netdaemon | it'll work :P |
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| 07:04.53 | haldriktercero | hello |
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| 07:04.57 | phyburn | it said so many warnings ^_^ |
| 07:05.02 | haldriktercero | how I can downgrade a package? |
| 07:05.07 | valdyn | phyburn: probably need to install x-dev |
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| 07:05.42 | phyburn | YES IT WORKED |
| 07:05.48 | phyburn | thansk everyone |
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| 07:06.30 | haldriktercero | how I can downgrade a package? |
| 07:07.13 | haldriktercero | I did. |
| 07:07.20 | wols | haldriktercero: apt-get |
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| 07:07.52 | wols | you can try via dpkg -i, but downgrades are not supported |
| 07:08.01 | haldriktercero | wols: i did with dpkg and the package dowloaded |
| 07:08.02 | insmod | phyburn: told ya |
| 07:08.23 | wols | phyburn: does X run now? |
| 07:08.43 | phyburn | it was just frustrating becuase dpkg told me to go in a big circle |
| 07:08.46 | phyburn | yea it runs fine now |
| 07:08.55 | phyburn | sexy 1600x1200 |
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| 07:11.20 | xcracker | hi all |
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| 07:14.18 | phyburn | wols: it wants to update my kernel is this okay? i mean will I have to run the installer again? |
| 07:14.33 | wols | you probably will yes |
| 07:14.41 | liable | it? |
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| 07:15.24 | phyburn | wols: gnome updater is updating linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 07:15.47 | liable | phyburn: are you using ubuntu? |
| 07:15.47 | wols | gnome has an update that knows about debs? |
| 07:16.06 | netdaemon | phyburn: you'll have to do the nvidia driver again then o_O |
| 07:16.15 | phyburn | nooo! |
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| 07:16.25 | wols | then where is this "gnome updater" from? |
| 07:16.38 | netdaemon | everytime the kernel changes, you must reinstall that driver :P |
| 07:16.50 | xcracker | somebody is from Poland? |
| 07:16.56 | liable | very deceptive, but busted.. |
| 07:16.58 | phyburn | wols: lol I log in as root it was like you have updates and I clicked okay |
| 07:17.15 | phyburn | the nvidia drviers where not hard to install once we updated GCC |
| 07:17.18 | liable | xcracker: theres a #debian-pl channel for polish folks |
| 07:17.52 | liable | thats ubuntu, debian has no such thing |
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| 07:18.15 | netdaemon | meh...ubuntu |
| 07:18.19 | insmod | phyburn: never use gnome or kde u are ok |
| 07:18.30 | liable | unless i have been missing out on the goodness of a gnome updater! OMGNOS |
| 07:18.47 | phyburn | insmod: ^_^ |
| 07:19.01 | Jabka | im getting an error receive_packet failed on eth1: Network is down |
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| 07:19.31 | liable | Jabka: ifconfig or dmesg give no clues? |
| 07:19.41 | insmod | phyburn: they suck --- but the wife uses kde |
| 07:19.51 | Jabka | liable: it is bcm43xx |
| 07:20.26 | liable | Jabka: oh, wireless.. and dmesg says nought? |
| 07:20.48 | liable | Jabka: give us some infos! |
| 07:20.49 | Jabka | liable:ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
| 07:20.49 | Jabka | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.28 | liable | Jabka: try ifup again |
| 07:21.31 | phyburn | insmod: Well what else is good to use. I have a pretty stronge system so i like pretty things. Had VISTA on the system before to check it out but it's not safe enough for me to use right now |
| 07:21.34 | Jabka | i posted on flood the dmesg |
| 07:21.35 | liable | maybe a driver bug |
| 07:21.57 | Jabka | liable:lest night it worked and i didn't change a thing |
| 07:24.04 | Jabka | after ifconfig eth1 up still getting the same error |
| 07:24.04 | insmod | phyburn: windowmaker blackbox xfce 3 enlightenment etc |
| 07:24.04 | drazak | fuck me. |
| 07:24.04 | liable | Jabka: driver bug i would guess. its fairly new, google it. i dont have one so have no prior knowledge of the chipset. but it looks driver related to me |
| 07:24.04 | drazak | err, wrong channel |
| 07:24.04 | wols | !fuck drazak |
| 07:24.05 | Jabka | bummer .. it is bcm4318 |
| 07:24.05 | wols | you have to go without, sorry drazak |
| 07:24.24 | phyburn | insmod: yea once I get my system stable ill def look around. |
| 07:24.24 | liable | wols: the naughty factoids were removed to protect our children |
| 07:24.24 | drazak | lol |
| 07:24.24 | liable | @fuck drazak |
| 07:24.24 | wols | liable: my unborn ones? |
| 07:24.24 | liable | @wake up |
| 07:24.27 | drazak | well really, i meant to say something like "fuck me sideways with a maglight" |
| 07:24.34 | liable | ouch |
| 07:24.47 | Jabka | liable: excpet ifconfig eth1 up and dhclient eth1 what should i do to bring up an interface |
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| 07:26.56 | liable | Jabka: try reloading the module, then ifup it, and see what dmesg says |
| 07:26.57 | wols | drazak: dunno if extreme masochism is compatible with channel policy |
| 07:26.57 | insmod | drazak: if your a chic where ilive i will meet u tuesday |
| 07:26.57 | drazak | wols: extremem masochism? |
| 07:26.57 | drazak | insmod: hahahaha, i'm a guy |
| 07:26.57 | wols | sideways? with a maglight? |
| 07:26.57 | drazak | wols: this is nothing :P |
| 07:26.58 | liable | drazak: you like goatse too? |
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| 07:26.58 | insmod | drazak: :) |
| 07:26.58 | wols | liable: |
| 07:26.59 | drazak | liable: ROFL |
| 07:26.59 | wols | 09:25 <@wols> !roger wols |
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| 07:27.26 | wols | 09:26 * Matilda gives it to wols with jalist's wang |
| 07:27.26 | wols | names like "roger" aren't offensive, are they? |
| 07:27.28 | wols | and a Wang is obviously only geek pr0n. nothing offensive |
| 07:27.28 | liable | wols: a lot of (most?) of the factoids with fuck have been removed |
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| 07:28.06 | liable | or others deemed offensive |
| 07:28.12 | Jabka | liable:bcm43xx: Radio turned off |
| 07:28.33 | liable | Jabka: you dont have one of those switches do you? |
| 07:28.43 | liable | mine has one on the front |
| 07:28.59 | liable | some have key combo switches |
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| 07:30.13 | Jabka | liable: switches ? it a notebook and the led of the wifi is on |
| 07:30.17 | liable | wols: what bot was that anyway? who is matilda? |
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| 07:30.43 | liable | Jabka: mine has a radio manual switch, just wondering if yours might.. |
| 07:31.11 | wols | different channel. not a blootbot |
| 07:31.27 | Jabka | i have but sitching it on or off didnt change a thin |
| 07:31.31 | wols | lot smaller than dpkg here |
| 07:32.40 | liable | i made a decision to start using ravenbird after that, but habit has caused me to keep using ! |
| 07:32.57 | Jabka | any one have the bcm4318 ? |
| 07:33.01 | zamaliphe | when i have open the cover manger in amarok 1.4.3-1 i get an empty window "no fitch cover poton " what i have miss how can i fix this |
| 07:33.08 | Caelum | I have a synaptics touchpad on my laptop, and in the middle of the left and right buttons it has this one button with up and down keys, when I press it in windows I get a middle click, in X it doesn't work... |
| 07:33.18 | wols | liable: after what? |
| 07:33.29 | liable | wols: the factoid cleansing |
| 07:33.46 | liable | or cmd cleansing i guess |
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| 07:34.13 | wols | damn PEEcEENESS |
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| 07:35.33 | liable | !tell Jabka about laptop |
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| 07:35.52 | liable | Jabka: try those sites, see if anyone else has those problems with your model |
| 07:35.58 | liable | @wb |
| 07:35.59 | ravenbird | thanks, liable. It's good to be back. |
| 07:36.32 | Jabka | liable: the prob is that i posted there about my laptop .. |
| 07:36.48 | Jabka | i mean a howto |
| 07:36.59 | liable | Jabka: so check others |
| 07:37.30 | phyburn | Hey valdyn I am getting the error again and whe nI go to install the nvidia drivers I am getting that GCC error even though I am putting the 'CC=gcc-4.- sh' |
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| 07:38.47 | phyburn | Hey wols I am getting the error again and whe nI go to install the nvidia drivers I am getting that GCC error even though I am putting the 'CC=gcc-4.- sh' |
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| 07:40.54 | wols | 4.- ? |
| 07:40.59 | wols | which error? you had more than one |
| 07:41.17 | liable | thats the first command valdyn posted.... |
| 07:41.31 | liable | the one you told him not to run |
| 07:41.33 | phyburn | let me go find it |
| 07:41.35 | Caelum | anyone here use vpnc? |
| 07:41.48 | phyburn | You appear to be using a modular Xorg realse, but nvidia-installer could not find the pkg-config' utility required to determine the correct X library installation path. Please install the pkg-config utility and the Xorg SDK/development packge for your distribution |
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| 07:42.43 | wols | !find pkg-config etch |
| 07:42.52 | Caelum | phyburn: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev |
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| 07:43.47 | phyburn | I am doing this apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 07:44.05 | wols | do what caelum told you |
| 07:44.15 | phyburn | i am |
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| 07:44.48 | phyburn | and when that is done go ahead and install the drivers? |
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| 07:45.19 | Anbidian | If I want to install Debian 4.0, would it be better to install Debian 3.1 now, and upgrade to 4.0 when it comes out, or to wait and go without linux until 4.0 is released in December? |
| 07:45.39 | wols | you can install etch right from the start right now |
| 07:45.43 | wols | if you want |
| 07:45.55 | craigevil | if you use the Etch netinstaller it will be pretty much the same thing |
| 07:46.08 | Anbidian | I thought Etch wasn't out yet? |
| 07:46.31 | wols | etch is testing. it's not released but it's available |
| 07:46.45 | craigevil | Etch is testing, however there is a testing installer |
| 07:46.54 | Anbidian | Can one convert from the testing etch to the released etch without any headaches? |
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| 07:47.29 | wols | testing etch itself might give you headaches, but upgrading is rarely if ever a problem |
| 07:47.34 | Anbidian | I'm just trying to figure out if it'd be worth it to wait and do a clean install |
| 07:47.51 | Rhizome | That shouldnt be a problem. unless you install etch now and wait until its released to do any updates |
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| 07:47.55 | craigevil | just keep your sources.list pointed at Etch and not testing |
| 07:48.04 | kowles | ? |
| 07:48.38 | Rhizome | Anbidian: You could install xen with stable, and run VPS'es with etch as much as you like ;) |
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| 07:49.12 | wols | Rhizome: only with a Pacifica/Vanderpool enabled CPU |
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| 07:49.48 | Rhizome | wols: you mean the intel virtualisation stuff? |
| 07:49.56 | kowles | is it possible to convert abiword .abw doc to psotscript .ps? can it be done withing abiword or is a program required? |
| 07:49.57 | Rhizome | wols: Thats only needed if you want windows and linux in xen. |
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| 07:50.10 | kowles | i mean postscript |
| 07:50.18 | valdyn | kowles: print a document to a file |
| 07:50.30 | valdyn | kowles: from within abiword |
| 07:51.08 | Caelum | xen runs windows? wow. Is it faster and less memory-hogging than vmware? |
| 07:51.24 | Rhizome | no idea, I want to try it when I get a CPU with VT ;) |
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| 07:51.35 | kowles | valdyn: i have tried that. it doesn't seem to work. do i have to have a printer set-up first? |
| 07:51.45 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 07:51.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 07:52.24 | kowles | valdyn: in this case 'doesn't work' means no .ps file produced. |
| 07:52.44 | Caelum | on the windows side, colinux works extremely well |
| 07:52.50 | valdyn | kowles: File->Print->Generic Postscript, Pick Location 'File' |
| 07:53.10 | Caelum | colinux runs on linux too, but I haven't tried that yet :) |
| 07:53.27 | Rhizome | hehe |
| 07:53.54 | kowles | valdyn: i did that but no .ps file produced. the question is, do i need a printer set-up first, right now, i have not. |
| 07:53.59 | Rhizome | Once you go xen or vserver or colinux? you never go back ;) |
| 07:54.28 | valdyn | kowles: not really |
| 07:54.38 | valdyn | kowles: run abiword in a shell, maybe there's useful output |
| 07:55.01 | kowles | valdyn: thks for the confirmation. i will try again. |
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| 07:57.56 | Rhizome | colinux looks neat, does it have alot of overhead? |
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| 07:59.27 | Caelum | Rhizome: that's the beauty of it, it runs as a normal process, overhead is extremely low, mostly the stuff running on the colinux guest |
| 07:59.54 | valdyn | Rhizome: shouldnt have much overhead, its just linux implemented using windows api instead of real hardware |
| 07:59.57 | Caelum | Rhizome: so if I have an idle instance of Debian on XP for instance, I'm losing no memory or CPU |
| 07:59.58 | kowles | valdyn: i did: File->Print->Generic Postscript, Pick Location 'File', then Save As, give filename, then Save. But no .ps file. I don't have to click 'Print', right? |
| 08:00.20 | valdyn | kowles: sure you do have to click print |
| 08:00.44 | kowles | valdyn: oh, thks. |
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| 08:06.55 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:06.56 | dpkg | i heard qotd148 is <Laney> alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :( |
| 08:09.50 | liable | hrm, wonder if its time to try a *bsd on my spare lappy |
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| 08:12.59 | Caelum | freebsd is pretty cool, I tried it a few years back... oh, now there's a Debian freebsd too :) |
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| 08:14.54 | liable | actually i really want to try it on my new one and give intel the finger for there craptastic wireless driver. |
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| 08:17.09 | krt | I'm trying to install sarge and it bombs out at "Debootstrap Error" "Couldn't download pppconfig" <Go Back> <Continue> |
| 08:17.14 | krt | anyone know why it's doing that? |
| 08:17.27 | krt | I've picked a few mirrors, all of them seem to do it |
| 08:17.54 | zamaliphe | can any one report this pleases . the cover manger in amarok in the "sid distrow" open a compleat empty window "nothing on it"? |
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| 08:20.11 | liable | krt: hrm, i just ran update on my sarge boxen and its hanging on debian security, might be the problem |
| 08:20.25 | dswing | new debian user here |
| 08:20.34 | krt | liable: hrmph. |
| 08:20.50 | liable | krt: try installing base without the net connection, then upgrade ? |
| 08:20.52 | krt | can I do the install with what I have on the dvd? |
| 08:21.00 | krt | how do I do that? |
| 08:21.10 | liable | krt: unplug the cable :) |
| 08:21.11 | krt | just unplug, I guess? :-) |
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| 08:21.13 | krt | hahaha |
| 08:21.15 | krt | ok |
| 08:21.20 | krt | i'll give it a go :-) |
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| 08:21.47 | dswing | anyone wanna help me get a wireless card working? |
| 08:22.02 | pelzi_ | ask, don't ask to ask |
| 08:22.08 | dswing | ? |
| 08:22.19 | krt | dswing: I 'spose |
| 08:22.30 | dswing | ok, belkin f5d7010 |
| 08:22.40 | dswing | isn't recognized by debian |
| 08:22.48 | pelzi_ | usb? pcmcia? |
| 08:22.55 | dswing | pcmcia |
| 08:23.07 | pelzi_ | see if lspci lists it |
| 08:23.11 | dswing | ok |
| 08:23.25 | krt | you need to use ndiswrapper |
| 08:23.28 | Caelum | also cardctl ident |
| 08:23.39 | dswing | what is ndiswrapper? |
| 08:23.48 | krt | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation#Install_Windows_driver |
| 08:23.55 | krt | it lets you load a windows driver for that card |
| 08:23.57 | krt | it's a shim |
| 08:23.58 | dswing | thx |
| 08:24.07 | dswing | i'll chk it out |
| 08:24.23 | liable | dswing: its a wrapper to use windows drivers when theres no proper linux driver |
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| 08:25.27 | cydork | dswing, check here if it is listed at http://linux-wless.passys.nl |
| 08:25.31 | dswing | so does anyone use j2se? |
| 08:25.37 | dswing | i'll check it |
| 08:25.48 | dswing | i'm just wondering how fun the install will be... |
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| 08:26.34 | dswing | nice link cydork |
| 08:26.39 | dswing | thanks |
| 08:27.49 | dswing | nice, drivers readily available |
| 08:27.55 | dswing | thx again cydrk |
| 08:28.11 | pelzi_ | well... ndiswrapper is an ugly solution |
| 08:28.22 | dswing | i think that's the back up plan |
| 08:28.28 | liable | better than no solution |
| 08:28.32 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 08:28.40 | dswing | looks like my dumb ass missed that linux drivers are available |
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| 08:28.52 | mick_linux | hey everyone |
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| 08:29.13 | pelzi_ | but best to pick a properly supported card if you can |
| 08:29.13 | krt | dswing: I prefer the broadcomm drivers for that chipset |
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| 08:29.15 | krt | ndiswrapper isn't -always- bad |
| 08:29.15 | liable | yep |
| 08:29.27 | craigevil | whats the windows app to read ext2? |
| 08:29.45 | zamaliphe | i have start to heat debian ? |
| 08:29.54 | krt | paragon mount everything, but it's commercial |
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| 08:30.00 | liable | craigevil: explore2fs or similar |
| 08:30.01 | cydork | zamaliphe, heat?? |
| 08:30.09 | dswing | haha, possibly hate?? |
| 08:30.11 | craigevil | thanks |
| 08:30.12 | Caelum | ext2ifs |
| 08:30.39 | krt | nice |
| 08:30.44 | zamaliphe | s/heat/hate/ |
| 08:30.54 | mick_linux | i'm having a bitch of a time w/ my firewall. iptables -L shows that i'm listening on 80 - but i can only ping the box (it shows that the port is closed when i use nc) |
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| 08:31.12 | dswing | well shit |
| 08:31.16 | dswing | show is joepa? |
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| 08:31.19 | dswing | PSU? |
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| 08:31.27 | liable | mick_linux: and the web server is up? |
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| 08:31.44 | mick_linux | liable, yes i can access it via localhost |
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| 08:31.52 | krt | mick: do you actually have a listening webserver? "netstat -an|grep -i listen" and look for your http process |
| 08:31.53 | mick_linux | that is why i think it is a fw problem |
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| 08:32.10 | mick_linux | krt, see my comment above |
| 08:32.11 | liable | mick_linux: netstat shows it listening on 0.0.0.0? |
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| 08:33.08 | zamaliphe | I'm running Sid now i have problem with amarok and i need to install an older var but i cant why ? |
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| 08:33.22 | krt | routing maybe? have you tried a tcpdump on the interface? |
| 08:33.56 | mick_linux | liable, yes |
| 08:34.10 | mick_linux | could it be that it is only listening on 127.0.0.1? |
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| 08:35.51 | liable | mick_linux: and from another box, its on the lan, or over the net? |
| 08:36.09 | mick_linux | lan |
| 08:36.17 | liable | zamaliphe: prolly due to dependancies, try aptitude |
| 08:36.46 | mick_linux | it is supposed to listen on x.x.x.x:80 |
| 08:36.57 | mick_linux | that is what i have in my httpd.conf |
| 08:37.03 | mick_linux | yes i restarted apache |
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| 08:38.25 | phyburn | hey I am trying to install a package (tor) and I am getting this error Package tor is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 08:38.25 | phyburn | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 08:38.25 | phyburn | is only available from another source |
| 08:38.26 | liable | mick_linux: you put in a lan address in httpd.conf? |
| 08:38.27 | krt | mick: does your default route on that web server point to the right place? |
| 08:38.45 | mick_linux | btw: i used this to open the port: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 08:38.53 | mick_linux | liable, yes |
| 08:39.15 | mick_linux | the i.p. of the box |
| 08:39.21 | liable | mick_linux: unless you have specifically blocked ports with iptables, theres no need to make an accept rule |
| 08:39.22 | krt | mick: that's on the firewall, which isn't the webserver? |
| 08:39.31 | mick_linux | 192.168.x.x:80 |
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| 08:39.36 | mick_linux | liable, oh ok |
| 08:39.37 | liable | mick_linux: put it back to whatever it was |
| 08:39.47 | mick_linux | put what back? |
| 08:40.01 | liable | mick_linux: theres really no need to hide a lan address from us, we cant hack you with a lan address... |
| 08:40.36 | liable | mick_linux: theres no need to put the ip of the machine in httpd.conf |
| 08:40.58 | mick_linux | 192.168.2.44 :-P |
| 08:41.03 | liable | mick_linux: when you install apache, it pretty much 'just works' without you editing the conf |
| 08:41.04 | mick_linux | liable, well it didn't work w/o it |
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| 08:41.57 | mick_linux | hmm, on the box where the webserver is, i can't access the website via `lynx 192.168.2.44`, it does work w/ 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:42.13 | mick_linux | so it must (for whatever reason) not be listening on eth0 |
| 08:42.21 | mick_linux | i mean.. well you get the idea |
| 08:42.35 | mick_linux | it must not be listening on that i.p. |
| 08:42.38 | abchirk | !ops mUstAfA |
| 08:42.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: mUstAfA |
| 08:42.40 | abchirk | how was the syntax to tellig the ops spammers? |
| 08:42.43 | mick_linux | instead it is listening on lo |
| 08:42.52 | liable | whats 'netstat |grep apache' say? |
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| 08:43.10 | liable | abchirk: thats it, they'll come |
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| 08:43.20 | abchirk | ah ok little bit laggy thx |
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| 08:43.42 | liable | that nick even rings a bell |
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| 08:43.55 | sdogi | it does |
| 08:44.09 | mick_linux | liable, nothing :-/ |
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| 08:44.26 | mick_linux | even though `apachectrl restart` doesn't complain |
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| 08:44.44 | liable | mick_linux: meh, netstat -plunt |grep apache |
| 08:44.53 | liable | paste the line |
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| 08:45.08 | mick_linux | still nothing |
| 08:45.21 | liable | on the server box? |
| 08:45.48 | mick_linux | ya |
| 08:45.56 | mick_linux | which is weird as hell if you ask me |
| 08:46.10 | liable | os aux |grep apache |
| 08:46.13 | liable | ps* |
| 08:46.30 | krt | hrmm |
| 08:46.47 | krt | even with network card disabled, cable unplugged, etc, the installer still bombs out at the pppconfig bit |
| 08:46.48 | liable | if it doesnt show in netstat, then theres something broken |
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| 08:47.11 | mick_linux | ok, i took off the Listen line and restarted, now 127.0.0.1 works |
| 08:47.54 | mick_linux | liable, it doesn't show anything :-/ |
| 08:48.08 | mick_linux | yet - 127.0.0.1 still brings up the placeholder |
| 08:48.15 | mick_linux | i'm dumbfounded - really |
| 08:48.18 | liable | mick_linux: paste the command |
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| 08:48.23 | liable | you used |
| 08:48.46 | mick_linux | which? |
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| 08:49.27 | liable | the netstat one |
| 08:49.36 | hunson | hi |
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| 08:50.15 | mick_linux | i think i see my problem |
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| 08:50.36 | hunson | i can expand gnome-terminal from partial- to full-screen but not restore it. where lies the problem? |
| 08:50.48 | mick_linux | the box was dhcp, and it changed the damn i.p. |
| 08:50.52 | mick_linux | *sigh* |
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| 08:50.59 | mick_linux | still doesn't explain netstat |
| 08:52.14 | mick_linux | now it can see itself |
| 08:52.27 | mick_linux | but it can't beseen from another box on my network |
| 08:52.49 | mick_linux | well, ping works |
| 08:53.16 | mick_linux | nc -v -v 192.168.2.13 80 <--- doesn't see it as being open |
| 08:53.29 | enouf | mick_linux: to 169.2xx.xxx.xxx ? |
| 08:53.43 | mick_linux | eno-away, lost you |
| 08:53.57 | mick_linux | 192.168.2.x is what i'm using |
| 08:54.02 | enouf | that's cause eno-away didn't say anything :-p |
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| 08:54.28 | mick_linux | and this is what i did (the netstat command on the server): netstat -aux | grep apache |
| 08:54.31 | liable | mick_linux: dude, stop hiding your lan ip... |
| 08:55.02 | liable | mick_linux: no, netstat -plunt |grep apache |
| 08:55.05 | enouf | mick_linux: my point is are you sure the box's ip is actually 192.168.x.x and not 169.x.x.x |
| 08:55.15 | mick_linux | huh? i just said it - .13 is what it changed to (remember the dhcp thing?0 |
| 08:55.26 | liable | mick_linux: you are confusing two different commands i mentioned.. |
| 08:56.00 | mick_linux | -plunt shows that it is listening on 0.0.0.0:80 |
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| 08:56.27 | zamaliphe | how can compill amarok using apt pleases help i have spend 6 hours traying to install and older ver now i think i have to compill it my self ... so help pleases |
| 08:57.10 | mick_linux | ok, to clarify: laptop (the client) is on 192.168.2.45, the web server (debian) is on 192.168.2.13 |
| 08:57.20 | liable | zamaliphe: if you use sid, and you cant fix it, just try using a different app untill the devs fix it for you.. |
| 08:57.29 | mick_linux | so they should be able to talk just fine. ICMP between the two works (ping) |
| 08:57.50 | peterS | 6 hours trying to build amarok rather than just using xmms or rhythmbox. this guy has some _stamina_ |
| 08:58.01 | liable | heh |
| 08:58.21 | enouf | hehe |
| 08:58.40 | liable | mick_linux: and the browser says what? when you try and connect? |
| 08:59.05 | mick_linux | it just trys to connect (it looks like null routing) |
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| 09:00.33 | mick_linux | the exact line that -plunt gives: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3336/apache |
| 09:01.08 | hunson | i am using kde-3.5. i can expand gnome-terminal from partial- to full-screen but not restore it. where lies the problem? |
| 09:01.21 | liable | mick_linux: and 'wget 192.168.2.13/index.html' says? |
| 09:02.05 | liable | from the client.. |
| 09:02.52 | mick_linux | `curl 192.168.2.13/index.html` just sits there |
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| 09:03.12 | liable | nmap says? |
| 09:03.18 | mick_linux | liable, like i said - looks like null routing to me |
| 09:03.29 | enouf | mick_linux: /sbin/route -n say anything useful about the Gateway? |
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| 09:05.46 | enouf | mick_linux: try netstat -tuna |
| 09:05.46 | liable | mmmm, tuna |
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| 09:06.00 | mick_linux | enouf, it says on the server: 0.0.0.0:80 (nothing about 192.168.2.13) |
| 09:06.03 | enouf | liable: yeah .. -plunt isn't showing my LAN here ... but -tuna does |
| 09:06.17 | enouf | mick_linux: weird |
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| 09:06.39 | liable | enouf: i was reffereing to the fish, but if the box is running apache , it should show in -plunt |
| 09:06.45 | liable | from the server |
| 09:07.06 | enouf | maybe onto something --> "from the server" |
| 09:07.07 | liable | mick_linux: 0.0.0.0 means its listening on all ifaces |
| 09:07.13 | mick_linux | oh ok |
| 09:07.23 | mick_linux | i'm still running my portscan |
| 09:07.25 | enouf | ;-) |
| 09:07.48 | mick_linux | is there a way to just turn off iptables? like with iptables DROP .... |
| 09:07.59 | mick_linux | i'm only sanning port 80 too |
| 09:08.00 | liable | -Z |
| 09:08.08 | mick_linux | iptables -Z |
| 09:08.09 | mick_linux | ? |
| 09:08.09 | enouf | liable: I know :-) .. that's how I can recall the command - I like tuna |
| 09:08.26 | valdyn | mick_linux: DROP drops packages, it doesnt switch off netfilter |
| 09:08.53 | liable | mick_linux: yah, and -X |
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| 09:10.16 | liable | mick_linux: you have ceratainly made life hard for yourself, first time i did it, i installed apache, copied a file over and pasted my ip :P |
| 09:12.45 | hunson | at times i have to bootup with an installation cd and do 'mount /dev/...part1 /tmp' followed by 'chroot /tmp /bash'. after that, when try to run 'nano' or 'vi', it fails becos bterm can't be opened. where is the problem? |
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| 09:13.59 | mick_linux | i still don't get why it only works on the server |
| 09:14.00 | FrFluffyBottom | Hi there, I'm getting an unusual problem with my sarge box. ssh connections via putty are randomly dropping out, perhaps once an hour. The LAN and WAN are stable, as other services to the box remain up and frequently if I have more than one ssh session, only one with drop out... |
| 09:14.05 | FrFluffyBottom | ...has anyone had anything like this before? |
| 09:14.12 | mick_linux | is that some backuppc thing? |
| 09:14.20 | mick_linux | could it be that it messes w/ something? |
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| 09:14.48 | bkhl | hunson: is it really good to mount over /tmp? |
| 09:15.46 | hunson | bkh1: that is not the issue here, surely? the problem is why bterm can't be opened for editors? |
| 09:16.13 | liable | one way to find out, make a mount dir and mount to that |
| 09:16.33 | liable | and ont mount it on /mnt |
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| 09:16.35 | mick_linux | off topic question, i can't type in "s" using my kvm (works fine w/ the other box that is connected to the kvm -- otherwise i couldn't have typed "s" ;-) |
| 09:16.36 | liable | dont |
| 09:16.48 | hunson | in the situation i had described, /mnt is not available. |
| 09:16.50 | mick_linux | liable, i think it is backuppc that is doing that |
| 09:17.07 | mick_linux | that is the reason why i needed apache to start with |
| 09:17.08 | bkhl | hunson: then make a directory like /tmp/mnt or something |
| 09:17.32 | liable | or /backup, doesnt matter, jut try it not on /tmp |
| 09:17.50 | liable | mick_linux: doing what? |
| 09:18.04 | mick_linux | blocking access from the "client" |
| 09:18.16 | mick_linux | it might be some security measure? |
| 09:18.27 | liable | mick_linux: oh, its part of a backup solution? |
| 09:18.39 | krt | hrmm. |
| 09:18.42 | liable | mick_linux: try /usr/share/doc/backuppc |
| 09:18.46 | krt | no matter what I do the pppconfig error pops up |
| 09:18.46 | enouf | mick_linux: you can stop that .. /etc/init.d/backuppc stop |
| 09:18.57 | hunson | bkhl: would the choice of dir matters? it is the terminal type that is not recognised. |
| 09:19.22 | rvalles | My debian doesn't answer pings to broadcast adress. Why is that? How do I reenable it? |
| 09:19.29 | bkhl | hunson: presumably some programs might use files in /tmp... |
| 09:21.12 | mick_linux | not backuppc |
| 09:21.21 | mick_linux | ooh this is fun |
| 09:21.29 | liable | hunson: instead of countering with a question, why dont you try what was suggested, then you can say for sure... |
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| 09:23.26 | hunson | liable: it requires shutdown and re-boot with an installation cd, not something i want to do now. and the suggestion has to be logical. i don't follow blindly. |
| 09:23.41 | bkhl | hunson: in short, try to do stuff in a less weird way. That way we can isolate the problem. |
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| 09:24.14 | enouf | mick_linux: yep .. you surely are a riot alice ;-p |
| 09:24.26 | liable | hunson: ok, but his suggestion sounds logical to me. i havent ever really heard of someone chrooting from /tmp |
| 09:24.27 | enouf | bang zoom .. |
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| 09:25.35 | hunson | liable: i thought this is standard procedure. i got this more than once from chatting about it here. |
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| 09:26.39 | mick_linux | and why would there be any docs in /usr/share/backuppc (silly me for thinking that) |
| 09:27.36 | bkhl | mick_linux: all that is in /usr/share/doc on Debian. |
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| 09:27.44 | enouf | hunson: usually from a libe cd ..first thing is to make a mount point .. 'mkdir /mnt/tmp' or somesuch |
| 09:27.55 | enouf | slibe/live |
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| 09:28.26 | mick_linux | /usr/share/backuppc/doc <-- wtf have a "doc" directory for? |
| 09:28.46 | mick_linux | bkhl, i'll look in there for anything useful |
| 09:28.55 | bkhl | mick_linux: that's a mistake on the package maintainers part. |
| 09:29.16 | enouf | mick_linux: do you actually have the pkg "backuppc" installed?? wtf? |
| 09:29.26 | hunson | enouf: even when mount point like /tmp is already available? |
| 09:29.32 | bkhl | hunson: another idea is to use a dedicated rescue disk distribution. I like http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ |
| 09:29.46 | enouf | hunson: did you create /tmp? |
| 09:29.52 | hunson | no |
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| 09:30.03 | enouf | hunson: I'd say a permission issue then |
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| 09:30.42 | hunson | the default user is root. |
| 09:30.43 | enouf | hunson: if you "must" use /tmp ... try 'mkdir /tmp/mnt1' then mount into there |
| 09:30.58 | bkhl | enouf: I already suggested that like 50 lines back... |
| 09:31.00 | mick_linux | enouf, yes - obviously |
| 09:31.04 | enouf | heheh |
| 09:31.33 | enouf | mick_linux: yes .. you DO have backuppc installed ? .. do you want to stop it? |
| 09:31.34 | mick_linux | hunson, for backuppc? |
| 09:31.48 | mick_linux | or for your thing? |
| 09:31.53 | enouf | oooohh the noes |
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| 09:32.24 | mick_linux | enouf, nah |
| 09:32.27 | enouf | bkhl: the hunson thing? or the mick_linux frankensteined server? |
| 09:32.35 | enouf | :-p |
| 09:32.42 | hunson | mick_linux: not for backup, to recover system crash. |
| 09:32.43 | bkhl | enouf: the /tmp/mnt thing. |
| 09:32.57 | enouf | bkhl: ahh .. very nice .. I missed it .. apologies |
| 09:32.57 | vicky | Hello, I have a problem under debian sarge running xorg from backports.org: when I launch gv for the first time after a reboot, it hangs for a while (2 minutes) and if I do other stuff, the system may kernel panic. If I use gv again, it runs ok so I looked at its strace and I found that it hangs after looking for -bigelow-luximono-bold-r-normal. Which it only does the first time launched. Google was not my friend. |
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| 09:33.20 | bkhl | enouf: well, it's not your fault that hunson keeps asking about it even though I answered. :-/ |
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| 09:33.43 | enouf | bkhl: that's why YOU get the apology ;-0 |
| 09:33.47 | bkhl | Right. |
| 09:33.49 | liable | oh well, i just mounted an install on /tmp and could chroot to it without issue.. |
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| 09:33.56 | hunson | :D |
| 09:34.08 | mick_linux | thanks for the help guys i really appreciate it |
| 09:34.28 | phyburn | hey I am trying to install a package (tor) and I am getting this error Package tor is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:34.32 | phyburn | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 09:34.33 | enouf | mick_linux: hope you find a bride for that thing ;-) |
| 09:34.34 | phyburn | is only available from another source |
| 09:34.45 | bkhl | liable: well, that was one possibility. The "/bash" bit looks weird too. |
| 09:34.55 | mick_linux | i hope i find a hammer for it ;) |
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| 09:35.16 | liable | bkhl: i thought it was a good point on your behalf, thats why i wanted to see for myself, seeing as hunson wouldnt. |
| 09:35.23 | enouf | bkhl: exactly .. I ask myself ..why in one command like that |
| 09:36.14 | mick_linux | i found the answer to me "so" problem |
| 09:36.16 | cydork | phyburn, are you using etch? |
| 09:36.20 | mick_linux | i'm now using ssh :-P |
| 09:36.33 | enouf | and there ya go |
| 09:36.40 | phyburn | cydork, yes I am |
| 09:36.54 | cydork | !+info tor etch |
| 09:36.56 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:36.58 | dpkg | Package 'tor' does not exist. |
| 09:37.11 | liable | hunson: whats your exact chroot command? |
| 09:37.12 | phyburn | cydork, it's on debian's website |
| 09:37.16 | enouf | mick_linux: ssh == sexy single hotty? |
| 09:37.22 | liable | hunson: i just used 'chroot /tmp' |
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| 09:37.40 | phyburn | cydork, and it also states that there should be a stable release out there |
| 09:37.46 | mick_linux | ever seen a cat after it had some cat nip? mine is going nuts |
| 09:37.48 | bkhl | liable: that will default to /bin/sh |
| 09:37.53 | mick_linux | it just randomly attacked me |
| 09:38.15 | bkhl | liable: what I'm wondering is how his bash got into / |
| 09:38.15 | liable | bkhl: yes, and when i do his 'chroot /tmp /bash' of course it fails.. |
| 09:38.23 | bkhl | Right. |
| 09:38.25 | liable | bkhl: thats why i asked |
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| 09:38.29 | enouf | ha! |
| 09:38.31 | cydork | phyburn, of p.d.o?? |
| 09:38.37 | cydork | s/of/on |
| 09:38.40 | phyburn | cydork, what? |
| 09:38.41 | hunson | liable: chroot /tmp /bin/bash |
| 09:39.13 | enouf | cd /bin/bash |
| 09:39.13 | enouf | bash: cd: /bin/bash: Not a directory |
| 09:39.19 | craigevil | tor is only in unstable and exp |
| 09:39.21 | cydork | phyburn, i mean on packages.debian.org? |
| 09:39.29 | hunson | sorry, miss out that /bin earlier. |
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| 09:40.07 | liable | hunson: interestingly, i get a bterm error, but vi still works |
| 09:40.22 | Feax-Crysis | How can I make the wifi working with debian ? I have the drivers of Intel PRO wireless 2200BG and now ? How do I install it ? |
| 09:40.31 | bkhl | liable, hunson: Same vi/vim/nvi/whatever? |
| 09:40.36 | cydork | phyburn, afaik it's not there in etch yet. but should there soon i guess. |
| 09:40.43 | hunson | liable: now, at least you know what i mean. in my case, vi doesn't work too. |
| 09:40.43 | cydork | !ipw2200 |
| 09:40.44 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware to /lib/firmware. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 09:40.49 | enouf | liable: maybe needs a pause? ..ala --> chroot /tmp && /bin/bash ? |
| 09:40.50 | phyburn | cydork, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/comm/tor |
| 09:41.04 | bkhl | enouf: that makes no sense. |
| 09:41.05 | hunson | bkh1: those editors work for you? how about nano? |
| 09:41.06 | cydork | phyburn, that is for unstable not for testing/etch |
| 09:41.18 | enouf | bkhl: okie .. crawls under rock .. |
| 09:41.47 | bkhl | hunson: I'm asking liable, since he apparently has a machine handy to test it on. |
| 09:41.48 | craigevil | cydork add deb http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/tor testing to your sources.list |
| 09:42.01 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: I have not the kernel headers is it important ? I use a backported d-i image |
| 09:42.02 | hunson | bkhl: k |
| 09:42.17 | liable | hunson: vi works for me, but i do see the bterm stuff and other things before it fires up |
| 09:42.23 | cydork | craigevil, wrong nick :P |
| 09:42.30 | craigevil | opps sorry |
| 09:42.57 | phyburn | cydork, how could I download a unstable package? |
| 09:42.59 | bkhl | liable: what about nano? |
| 09:43.07 | liable | hunson: nano fails with bterm error |
| 09:43.14 | liable | bkhl: ^^ |
| 09:43.22 | bkhl | OK. |
| 09:43.33 | bkhl | It's reproducible then... |
| 09:43.37 | cydork | phyburn, check what craigevil said. take a look at /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:43.38 | liable | yep |
| 09:43.46 | hunson | liable: great. can it be solved? |
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| 09:44.00 | liable | hunson: yes, use vi :P |
| 09:44.02 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, you will need kernel headers. coz it's available as source. |
| 09:44.30 | liable | hunson: this is a sid box i am chrooting with a sarge kernel, no idea where the error might lay. whats your box? |
| 09:44.35 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: no it is not avaible :/ |
| 09:44.37 | bkhl | liable: which vi is that? |
| 09:44.51 | hunson | liable: mine box is etch. |
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| 09:45.08 | enouf | bkhl: to me .. chroot-ing into a binary is not something I thought would/could work (since /bin/bash is not a dir) .. but hey .. I haven't tried it, so I can't say - and I know diddly |
| 09:45.11 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, that bit weird .. |
| 09:45.26 | phyburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.31 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, i mean they proivde kernel but not headers ?? :P |
| 09:46.03 | bkhl | enouf: in 'chroot /tmp /bin/bash' /tmp is the directory, /bin/bash is the command. |
| 09:46.08 | xingu | enouf: I'm sure that reiser4 would let you concoct something that brokenated |
| 09:46.15 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: it is kamuto d-i backported installation |
| 09:46.36 | phyburn | cydork, where is source.list? |
| 09:46.39 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, mail them kernel without headers is just absurd :P |
| 09:46.40 | enouf | bkhl: that's what I originaly thought .. so it is 'possible' it's a timing issue - imho |
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| 09:47.12 | hunson | liable: in that situation, we are in initramdisk, right? |
| 09:47.14 | enouf | xingu: reiser4 .. hrmmm . is that what's being used? |
| 09:47.16 | bkhl | enouf: that makes no sense. chroot is the program executing bash |
| 09:47.20 | cydork | phyburn, man sources.list |
| 09:47.35 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: yes but I don't renember the website its like kamuto d-i backported |
| 09:47.39 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: it is a blog |
| 09:48.01 | cydork | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 09:48.01 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 09:48.06 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, ^^ |
| 09:48.10 | Feax-Crysis | nope I have 2.8 |
| 09:48.51 | liable | hunson: i have very little knowledge of initramfs and ramdisk sorta stuff |
| 09:48.52 | cydork | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 09:48.53 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.18 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm (See creator's warnings) |
| 09:49.26 | phyburn | cydork, deb-src is already in my sources.list =/ |
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| 09:49.37 | Feax-Crysis | Thanks cydork that is that |
| 09:49.43 | phyburn | cydork, deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 09:49.48 | cydork | phyburn, but you need it for unstable not for testing. |
| 09:49.52 | enouf | bkhl: ok .. yep , you're right .. I just refreshed mtself with the man chroot pages ;-) |
| 09:49.55 | cydork | phyburn, check the factoid again. |
| 09:49.57 | hunson | liable: k, when i have to reboot next, i will try out vi. but those instructions are correct, agree? |
| 09:49.58 | xingu | hunson: just out of interest, what are you trying to do? I actually run a chroot here for my ia32 world |
| 09:50.23 | xingu | hunson: ... it has a full etch i386 install in it. :) |
| 09:50.28 | bkhl | hunson: again, make sure you use the same vi clone as liable. |
| 09:50.36 | liable | why am i having problems working out which package owns vi? |
| 09:50.39 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: but on the website there is no the headers ;S |
| 09:50.40 | enouf | bkhl: liable what happens if you use 'chroot /tmp /bin/sh' maybe |
| 09:50.46 | phyburn | cydork, sorry but I don't get this step " 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list." |
| 09:51.07 | bkhl | liable: "file /bin/vi"? |
| 09:51.12 | liable | hunson: yes, mounting on /tmp didnt make a difference, though i usually 'mkdir /rescue' and then mount on that |
| 09:51.17 | enouf | liable: hehe .. I know the xxd is tucked away in the vi/vim package .. go figure |
| 09:51.37 | craigevil | !apt |
| 09:51.37 | dpkg | methinks apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 09:51.57 | liable | bkhl: tell me the package, it aint coreutils |
| 09:52.01 | cydork | phyburn, check the deb-src line in your sources.list and change the testing or etch to sid. |
| 09:52.12 | hunson | xingu: at times, when a system crash and cannot re-boot, we have to use an installation cd to boot it and access the filesystem in the disk. and in this situation, we need an editor, say, to edit some config files. that is what it is all about. |
| 09:52.13 | liable | enouf: xxd? whats that? |
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| 09:52.59 | cydork | phyburn, so it will be list deb-src http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sid main contrib |
| 09:53.02 | bkhl | liable: what vi you are using is what we're trying to find out. Is /bin/vi linking to nvi/vim/what? |
| 09:53.27 | liable | bkhl: its /usr/bin/vi |
| 09:53.50 | mick_linux | anyone here use mt-daapd? does it work w/ itunes 7? |
| 09:53.52 | Feax-Crysis | cydork: but on the website there is not the headers ;S |
| 09:54.08 | liable | bkhl: and its a link to alternatives |
| 09:54.18 | enouf | liable: the hexviewer |
| 09:54.35 | liable | which is a link to /usr/bin/vim.basic.. |
| 09:54.46 | bkhl | vim, then. |
| 09:54.47 | phyburn | cydork, okay thanks |
| 09:54.54 | cydork | Feax-Crysis, well cant do much but wait then. |
| 09:54.58 | xingu | hunson: understood; does the rescue image itself have an editor? or is that where your problem starts - you want to use an editor from what is now a (possibly hosed) filesystem? |
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| 09:55.06 | Feax-Crysis | ok cydork I asked for them |
| 09:55.37 | phyburn | cydork, so it will look like this correct |
| 09:55.53 | enouf | liable : dd if=/dev/hda1 bs=512 count=1 | xxd for example will show (many) the MBR of hda in hex (and an ascii column) |
| 09:55.53 | phyburn | cydork, "deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib" |
| 09:56.03 | hunson | xingu: the system complain about bterm, not the editor. |
| 09:56.07 | liable | bkhl: and vim is 7.0-035+1 |
| 09:56.37 | liable | enouf: oh, thats voodoo i dont understand :) |
| 09:56.57 | cydork | phyburn, yep |
| 09:57.08 | phyburn | cydork, thanks =) |
| 09:57.09 | mick_linux | enouf, i'd use of=/mbr.dump and then use hexdump :-P |
| 09:57.26 | mick_linux | though xxd would probably look nicer |
| 09:57.47 | xingu | hunson: define "complain"? is this as simple as getting your TERM environment variable set to something sane? |
| 09:58.27 | xingu | hunson: bterm seems to be a serial terminal emulator; I assume you are doing this recovery via a serial console into the failed system? |
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| 09:58.52 | phretor | hi there |
| 09:59.02 | hunson | xingu: In nano, its "Error opening terminal bterm". In vi, its "bterm: unknown terminal type". |
| 09:59.07 | liable | xingu: same error here with nano with a sarge recovery cd, but vi works |
| 09:59.11 | enouf | liable: hehe .. now I don't feel so "lacking" anymore :-) |
| 09:59.16 | xingu | hunson: export TERM=vt100 |
| 09:59.17 | phyburn | cydork, mind telling me what this means? "e 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly" |
| 09:59.20 | xingu | hunson: now try again? |
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| 09:59.36 | enouf | mick_linux: my ay views in real time to stdout |
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| 09:59.46 | enouf | mick_linux: /s/ay/way |
| 09:59.57 | mick_linux | i like to save a copy :-P |
| 10:00.00 | xingu | hunson, liable: I seriously doubt that the recovery image has a complete terminfo set |
| 10:00.05 | liable | xingu: that works here |
| 10:00.07 | phretor | what's wrong with dpkg today? |
| 10:00.14 | xingu | hunson, liable: exotics like "bterm" are probably absent |
| 10:00.17 | phretor | it's speechless :-) |
| 10:00.27 | cydork | phyburn, the step 3 creates some .deb files which you can install. Or pay someone to do it. (i have a paypal account :P) |
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| 10:00.51 | mick_linux | phretor, don't get me started ;) |
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| 10:01.01 | phyburn | cydork, hehe okay. Is it hard to install the .deb files? |
| 10:01.06 | mick_linux | my computer is lucky that it is even running |
| 10:01.13 | cydork | phyburn, nope man dpkg |
| 10:01.13 | phretor | I've asked dpkg about the Xorg SecurityPolicy file but it's not replying :) does anyone know what that file should keep? |
| 10:01.14 | hunson | xingu: eyh, i think so too. it has to do with the bash shell. before i chroot to bash, i can nano. |
| 10:01.38 | enouf | mick_linux: but can you do that with an ISO ?? .. I mean .. suppose you want to view the last few sectors only ..without having to figure out which blocks they actually occupy? |
| 10:02.03 | phyburn | cydork, now if I want to install a unstable package can I just type apt-get install unstable package? |
| 10:02.16 | Anarka | -t unstable |
| 10:02.26 | Anarka | apt-get install -t unstable package |
| 10:02.29 | cydork | phyburn, nope, read the factoid again. |
| 10:02.53 | cydork | Anarka, na he is not doing pinning, i told him about the simple sid backport |
| 10:03.01 | Anarka | oops ok :) |
| 10:03.02 | hunson | xingu: i wll try the 'export term=vt100' when i next re-boot. |
| 10:03.12 | phyburn | cydork, apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename okay I was not sure if that was just every package or just the first one <_< |
| 10:03.15 | liable | hunson: it works for me |
| 10:03.31 | enouf | mick_linux: IOW .. with xxd you can use something like xxd -s 0x200 to see/view the last few blocks of whatever it is .. and without knowing 'how far' to jump .. using dd's skip= or offset commands |
| 10:03.38 | xingu | hunson: no probs; the other variable here is that your recovered system image may have a /different/ nano to your boot/recovery image |
| 10:03.42 | hunson | liable: you mean xingu's export command? |
| 10:03.47 | liable | hunson: yes |
| 10:04.09 | cydork | phyburn, the build-deb will get all the dependancies then -b source will build the source package. and then install the dep with dpkg -i filename .deb |
| 10:04.20 | xingu | hunson: but personally I would design for a strategy that was not in any way dependant on the recovered filesystem |
| 10:04.29 | hunson | liable: great. we have arrived at a solution, thks to xingu. |
| 10:04.36 | liable | hunson: indeed |
| 10:04.37 | bkhl | hunson: really, what do you need to do on your broken system? |
| 10:04.44 | bkhl | hunson: do you just have to get in and edit some file? |
| 10:05.06 | hunson | bkhl: say, yes? |
| 10:05.18 | bkhl | hunson: then I'm recommending something like http://lnx-bbc.org/ again |
| 10:05.28 | phretor | guys, any particular recommendation for testing2unstable? |
| 10:05.37 | phyburn | cydork, so with tor it will be `dpkg -i tor.deb` ? |
| 10:06.15 | bkhl | phyburn: "don't unless you have to"? |
| 10:06.26 | bkhl | Em. |
| 10:06.31 | bkhl | phretor: "don't unless you have to"? |
| 10:06.33 | cydork | phyburn, there might be a version too . |
| 10:06.54 | phyburn | cydork, okay thanks for all the great help |
| 10:07.14 | cydork | phretor, dont do it :) |
| 10:07.21 | phretor | ok :) |
| 10:07.25 | hunson | bkhl: that looks like another solution. thks. will check further. |
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| 10:08.07 | phretor | any `testing` user experiencing this problem with X.org? "(EE) module ABI minor version (6) is newer than the server's version (5)" |
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| 10:08.25 | vicky | phretor: backup the whole system with mindimondo if you really have to do that |
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| 10:08.49 | is_null | hello everybody, how to see the way a package was compiled once apt-src install foo please ? |
| 10:09.00 | is_null | i don't remember the file to check in ... |
| 10:09.25 | phretor | vicky: no no, I don't have to and I won't do it, don't be afraid :-P |
| 10:09.28 | phyburn | cydork, I got this error: `Setting up transfig (3.2.5-alpha7-5) ... |
| 10:09.28 | phyburn | E: Invalid operation tor |
| 10:10.13 | cydork | phyburn, paste the whole output in a paster |
| 10:10.15 | cydork | !paster |
| 10:10.15 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 10:11.33 | enouf | ya know .. my very first thought about hunson's issues were to say .. maybe export $PATH= ..or somesuch - but I thought it too pretentious on my part, since I have no clue :-0 |
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| 10:11.45 | phyburn | cydork, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4147. |
| 10:12.12 | enouf | !cluesmite me |
| 10:12.31 | enouf | dpkg : you stop that |
| 10:12.52 | enouf | ...nothing :-( |
| 10:13.01 | cydork | phyburn, you are suppose to dpkg -i tor*.deb not apt-get install tor |
| 10:13.08 | tralala | !test |
| 10:13.08 | dpkg | No, tralala, you're not online any more. |
| 10:13.13 | enouf | she lives! |
| 10:13.34 | tralala | enouf: did you annoy her? |
| 10:13.39 | phretor | any suggestions about these X.org errors? http://rafb.net/paste/results/BfXCsQ16.html Thanks in advance! |
| 10:13.43 | enouf | most likely :-) |
| 10:14.01 | phyburn | cydork, I did ` apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename` |
| 10:14.06 | enouf | tralala: she talks to me in private though |
| 10:14.17 | phyburn | cydork, but I got that error as you can see at the end of the paste |
| 10:14.18 | tralala | hrm... |
| 10:14.45 | enouf | tralala: I likely just picked the wrong <key-smite-phrase> |
| 10:14.52 | phyburn | cydork, oo I get it ^_^ I need to run dpkg before it ran be run thats y it gave the error |
| 10:14.55 | tralala | yep |
| 10:15.02 | tralala | !cluebat enouf |
| 10:15.06 | craigevil | phyburn why are you using apt-get build-dep packagename? |
| 10:15.20 | craigevil | why not just do apt-get update apt-get install tor |
| 10:15.22 | cydork | phyburn, coz you are suppose to do apt-get build-deb tor |
| 10:15.44 | cydork | craigevil, he is using etch. so he doing a simple backport |
| 10:15.56 | phyburn | cydork, I am so lost I just did what dpkg said to do |
| 10:16.03 | craigevil | why not use the tor etch repo? |
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| 10:16.26 | phyburn | cydork, apt-get build-dep tor; apt-get -b source tor --- thats what I ran |
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| 10:16.39 | tralala | because tor is not in etch? |
| 10:16.47 | phyburn | cydork, was I supose to do something else? |
| 10:17.07 | cydork | phyburn, you forgot source in the last command check it again |
| 10:17.16 | cydork | phyburn, i mean the word. |
| 10:17.17 | enouf | tralala: heh .. went away for a minute .. and I'm beaten senseless while i'm gone .. |
| 10:17.25 | tralala | :) |
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| 10:18.20 | craigevil | why not just add deb http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/tor testing main |
| 10:18.24 | phyburn | cydork, omg I see what you said I am sorry, it;s about five am here |
| 10:18.33 | craigevil | then do apt-get install tor |
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| 10:19.04 | cydork | craigevil, which repo is that? |
| 10:19.19 | craigevil | http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian |
| 10:20.21 | liable | why do you need a non debian repo for tor? |
| 10:20.21 | craigevil | for stable or testing |
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| 10:20.27 | craigevil | rather than trying to backport from Sid |
| 10:20.34 | liable | oh, its not in those? |
| 10:20.55 | cydork | liable, nope, it was removed from etch some months back. |
| 10:20.56 | liable | hrm, ok, not in sarge |
| 10:21.01 | liable | cydork: oh |
| 10:21.10 | tralala | it's only in sid and that's on purpose |
| 10:21.10 | esteel | morning :) |
| 10:21.13 | craigevil | tor is only in Sid or exp |
| 10:21.25 | liable | tralala: why? |
| 10:21.26 | dockane_ | craigevil: what is exp? |
| 10:21.36 | bkhl | dockane_: experimental |
| 10:21.48 | enouf | !iyhta |
| 10:22.03 | enouf | bah |
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| 10:22.48 | jetscreamer | now there's a decision i don't agree with ... tor. |
| 10:23.05 | bkhl | To include it or to not include it? |
| 10:23.08 | tralala | liable: there is an explanation in the bts |
| 10:23.09 | liable | it serves a purpose |
| 10:23.12 | jetscreamer | to include |
| 10:23.17 | craigevil | it tends to slow things down |
| 10:23.25 | liable | tralala: dont make me go to bts! |
| 10:23.27 | phyburn | cydork, random quetion what is the command to make a link to a dir. Like for my webserver I need a link to the www in my home folder |
| 10:23.30 | enouf | tralala .. I'm having a brainfart of factoid terminolgy -- time for rest .. Zzz ..Zzz ....zzzz ..*snores* |
| 10:23.35 | phyburn | cydork, can't seem to get ln to work |
| 10:23.50 | tralala | enouf: heh :) |
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| 10:24.09 | bkhl | jetscreamer: well, it's just in unstable now. |
| 10:24.16 | cydork | phyburn, use userdir than links. and check ln -s in man page :P |
| 10:24.24 | bkhl | jetscreamer: that doesn't necessarily mean much. |
| 10:24.36 | tralala | liable: the protocol is a subject of constant changes so until it's stabilized it can't go to stable |
| 10:24.37 | cydork | jetscreamer, why not? |
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| 10:26.13 | x_link | Hi |
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| 10:26.34 | bkhl | Hej. |
| 10:26.35 | x_link | I can't boot my Debian anymore =/ |
| 10:26.36 | jetscreamer | the usual reasons i suppose... just a gut reaction... whatever. i'm a stick. |
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| 10:26.50 | x_link | It really got messed up yesterday., |
| 10:27.05 | x_link | If I want to install debian again on that hdd, do I have to format it, then plug it and and boot with the cd ? |
| 10:27.15 | x_link | Cause I can't install it now, didn't work =/ ? |
| 10:27.19 | x_link | it doesn' |
| 10:27.33 | x_link | it doesn't look like it did the first time, I don't have the same options. |
| 10:27.33 | jetscreamer | fix it? |
| 10:27.46 | jetscreamer | or just nuke it and redo |
| 10:27.54 | x_link | jetscreamer. What ? |
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| 10:28.00 | jetscreamer | no you don't have to 'format' it though |
| 10:28.05 | x_link | I'm a newbie, so I'mnot good at this. |
| 10:28.13 | bkhl | x_link: the reformatting is done from the installer, if necessary. |
| 10:28.14 | jetscreamer | just pop the cd in the installer will reinit the part |
| 10:28.20 | x_link | jetscreamer: But I can't install it=( |
| 10:28.21 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 10:28.22 | hunson | hi, another question. In kdecontrolcenter->peripherals->printers, there is ksendfax in the menu but ksendfax is not installed and neither is it a debian package. anyone of you using it? |
| 10:28.34 | bkhl | x_link: why? |
| 10:28.34 | jetscreamer | x_link: errors? |
| 10:28.39 | x_link | jetscreamer: I get stuck somewhere |
| 10:28.45 | x_link | When it comes to partitions. |
| 10:29.03 | x_link | I can't do anything there, I come back to the same "window" all the time. |
| 10:29.10 | x_link | When it tells me to choose a free space or what it asks,. |
| 10:29.16 | jetscreamer | when it goes into the partitioner, hit esc |
| 10:29.23 | x_link | This is really annoting. |
| 10:29.24 | jetscreamer | and reenter it |
| 10:29.35 | x_link | Hit Esc and then Enter ? |
| 10:29.53 | jetscreamer | no... well maybe. hit esc, then go back into the partitioner |
| 10:29.59 | x_link | I'm on the Windows hdd now. |
| 10:30.05 | jetscreamer | (that would be hitting enter i guess) |
| 10:30.38 | jetscreamer | you can get to a screen that will let you define the partitions |
| 10:30.54 | jetscreamer | it's just not the easiest thing in the world |
| 10:31.02 | jetscreamer | or obvious rather |
| 10:31.42 | enouf | kdeprint |
| 10:32.00 | enouf | kdeprint: usr/bin/kdeprintfax |
| 10:32.23 | enouf | I know .. I know .. another !customer |
| 10:32.26 | bkhl | x_link: the installation manual should explain a bit of it, I hope. |
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| 10:35.26 | is_null | hello everybody, how to see the way a package was compiled once apt-src install foo please ? I can't remember the file that i need to check in, and i am not using debian, i am trying to help a friend whom does ... |
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| 10:36.58 | phyburn | cydork, where do we report problems with packages. Privoxy is a dep with tor not a recommendation |
| 10:37.21 | anapivirtua | Hello les ponays |
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| 10:38.01 | mick_linux | phyburn, i think it is because tor is used mostly for anon web stuff |
| 10:38.08 | mick_linux | and for that you need privoxy |
| 10:40.37 | mick_linux | phyburn, otherwise people think that they are able to surf anaonymously (when it doesn't work, they file bugs) ;) |
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| 10:43.42 | mick_linux | hi fireba11 :) |
| 10:43.50 | liable | is_null: i am not sure what you mean, but i think the file is the rules file, in the debian directory |
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| 10:44.05 | mick_linux | whoops, "1"s |
| 10:44.08 | fireba11 | mick_linux: hi.. should i know you ? |
| 10:44.12 | mick_linux | thought you were someone else |
| 10:44.22 | mick_linux | or are those "l"s |
| 10:44.28 | mick_linux | nope, "1"s |
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| 10:44.33 | fireba11 | :-D |
| 10:44.54 | SakalR | hello, how can I install sunstudio11 on debian 3.1 Installer whants rpm, but I every time got message that I must use alien for install non-deb packeges |
| 10:45.22 | mick_linux | ya, apt-get install alien |
| 10:45.27 | mick_linux | then - man alien |
| 10:45.33 | SakalR | installed |
| 10:45.38 | mick_linux | it is asy to use, and it (mostly) works |
| 10:45.43 | mick_linux | easy* |
| 10:45.54 | SakalR | ok |
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| 10:46.22 | mick_linux | once it is converted, dpkg -i package.deb should work |
| 10:46.38 | mick_linux | SakalR, good luck ;) |
| 10:46.53 | phyburn | does x86 have more stable packages then amd64? |
| 10:47.53 | Eulex | phyburn, yes. amd64 has come a long way, though. |
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| 10:48.03 | DragonD | Is there a good howto on setting up debain for virtual domain/domain website + mysql + ftp + email(pop3) + webmail(easy to incorp with pop3) hosting, and how to automate sign up process? yeah i know a lot to ask |
| 10:48.29 | mick_linux | DragonD, search debian-administration.org |
| 10:48.43 | mick_linux | webmail you may want sqmail or horde |
| 10:48.48 | mick_linux | squirrelmail |
| 10:48.58 | liable | DragonD: certainly not in one howto. email is enough to do your head in by itself :P |
| 10:49.08 | phyburn | Eulex, I don;t understand though I mean if the x86 ver is more stable then y can't the amd64 system just run it |
| 10:49.36 | SakalR | mick_linux: the installer use script and some private varables to determinate target dir and some register keys. I have a directory with *.rpm, ofcourse I can conver all targets in directory, but I can't understansd, how install-script resolved new packeges |
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| 10:49.50 | Eulex | phyburn, of course an amd64 system can run debian x86. |
| 10:50.15 | mick_linux | SakalR, i'm battling my debian box, i'm sorry i can't help you w/ that ;) |
| 10:50.28 | SakalR | ) |
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| 10:51.20 | phyburn | Eulex, are they just as stable as the x86 box where to run them |
| 10:51.30 | phyburn | Eulex, with the x86 ver of debian |
| 10:51.52 | phyburn | Eulex, I am just trying to figure out if I should install the x86 ver |
| 10:52.04 | mick_linux | i love those "quickstart" tutorials, they are neither "quick" nor does anything "start" |
| 10:52.12 | mick_linux | :) |
| 10:52.26 | bkhl | DragonD: hcoop.net has a system that does some of that stuff. (sources on http://hcoop.sf.net/) |
| 10:52.40 | Eulex | phyburn, yes, it's not like the amd64 *architecture* is less stable, it's the software that is less tested on debian amd64. and some non-free proprietary software might not even run on debian amd64. |
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| 10:53.55 | mick_linux | everyone just loves non-free proprietary binaries |
| 10:54.06 | phyburn | Eulex, yea I was just so suprised today to see that tor would not run on debian =0 |
| 10:55.11 | x_link | jetscreamer: Sorry, I got an important phone call. |
| 10:55.29 | x_link | Should I not plugin the hdd now with this windows hdd and format it and then try to install it ? |
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| 10:55.33 | DragonD | thanks for the links... i'll do some digging |
| 10:55.50 | x_link | Cause the first time I installed debian everything worked, that time I formated the hdd first. |
| 10:56.03 | x_link | Cause I REALLY need Debian again, I don't understand why I can't use it. |
| 10:56.31 | x_link | Right after LILO bots I get a screen, buildon or onbuild or inbuild commands |
| 10:56.37 | x_link | I get stuck there. |
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| 10:57.39 | scrillaz | why dont u use grub x_link? |
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| 10:59.20 | futex | hello |
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| 10:59.26 | DragonD | which is better exim or postfix? i'm currently using postfix |
| 10:59.36 | futex | i use debian etch |
| 10:59.42 | futex | and i can't do update |
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| 11:00.06 | futex | apt-get update say me 503 connect failed why? |
| 11:00.21 | Rhizome | DragonD: I use postfix cause it's simpler ;) |
| 11:00.58 | x_link | scrillaz: I don't know. |
| 11:01.21 | scrillaz | well i use grub and it works fine |
| 11:01.22 | phogg | futex: bad mirror? |
| 11:01.30 | futex | i don't think |
| 11:01.36 | x_link | scrillaz: I messed up something yesterday in the filesystem. |
| 11:01.38 | futex | sometime i't run correctly |
| 11:01.48 | x_link | Well I will try to install it now again, but I'm sure it will not work to install Debian. |
| 11:01.49 | x_link | brb |
| 11:02.01 | scrillaz | k |
| 11:02.30 | phyburn | anyone here use hushmail? |
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| 11:03.00 | scrillaz | ya |
| 11:03.11 | scrillaz | i use it phyburn |
| 11:03.26 | phyburn | I just installed debian and for some reason it wont work |
| 11:03.34 | phyburn | it just sits there forever not doing anything |
| 11:03.55 | futex | in my sources.list i have deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib |
| 11:04.14 | futex | and over mirror |
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| 11:04.36 | peterrus | ello |
| 11:04.37 | futex | deb http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 11:04.38 | phyburn | any ideas scrillaz ? |
| 11:04.39 | peterrus | and a good morning |
| 11:04.54 | scrillaz | ideas? |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'nvidia-glx' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.24 | futex | any ideas?? |
| 11:05.48 | peterrus | i have a server running proftpd. and i want the proftpd to be shut down for like a month or so, and after that period i will activate it manually, so now mmy quastion is. how can i disable the proftp deamon? |
| 11:05.49 | phogg | futex: try another mirror. That is my recommendation. |
| 11:06.16 | futex | i have test over mirror |
| 11:06.20 | futex | it's the same probleme |
| 11:06.21 | peterrus | futex, if you are looking for nvidia drivers and you are a debian newbie, i suggest you try sid |
| 11:06.46 | mick_linux | anyone here use mt-daap + itunes? |
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| 11:07.05 | SakalR | any one use sunstudio11 on debian? |
| 11:07.07 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 11:07.18 | jetscreamer | you suggest a n00b use sid? omg |
| 11:07.23 | peterrus | eh |
| 11:07.25 | peterrus | okay |
| 11:07.27 | peterrus | thats wrong |
| 11:07.34 | peterrus | i am the n00b |
| 11:07.38 | peterrus | teh* |
| 11:07.46 | peterrus | forgive me |
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| 11:07.54 | futex | i not a newvie |
| 11:08.00 | peterrus | newbie* |
| 11:08.01 | peterrus | okay |
| 11:08.05 | jetscreamer | sure... right after we sacrifice you to the gods |
| 11:08.10 | peterrus | i see |
| 11:08.14 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice peterrus |
| 11:08.14 | futex | i have sid on my fixe computer and etch on my laptop |
| 11:08.23 | jetscreamer | ok you're forgiven |
| 11:08.30 | peterrus | !sacrifice peterrus |
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| 11:08.39 | peterrus | alright |
| 11:08.43 | peterrus | that feels good |
| 11:08.50 | epsilon | peterrus: stop the damon, remove it from rc with update-rc.d |
| 11:08.56 | peterrus | okkie |
| 11:09.36 | epsilon | (assumed you don't use such lame thing as ftp via inetd) |
| 11:09.53 | peterrus | nie |
| 11:10.03 | peterrus | i think i did xD |
| 11:10.06 | peterrus | nice* |
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| 11:10.25 | peterrus | i did xD |
| 11:10.30 | peterrus | lets correct that |
| 11:10.44 | jetscreamer | oh boy the aol firewall is on... :/ (NOT me box) |
| 11:10.51 | jetscreamer | my even |
| 11:11.36 | peterrus | the aol firewall? |
| 11:12.05 | jetscreamer | i should just nuke it |
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| 11:12.22 | epsilon | the firewall or AOL? |
| 11:12.27 | jetscreamer | on=running in this instance |
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| 11:12.51 | jetscreamer | it would thankfully be hard for any aol product to run on MY box |
| 11:12.51 | peterrus | jetscreamer, what is this firewall? |
| 11:12.56 | peterrus | lol |
| 11:13.04 | peterrus | isnt that for windows? |
| 11:13.09 | jetscreamer | peterrus: on my kid's box ... yeah |
| 11:13.17 | jetscreamer | i got tired of the whining |
| 11:13.36 | jetscreamer | so i loaded it up with gayol crap |
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| 11:13.55 | peterrus | jetscreamer, oh god, the poor little thing |
| 11:14.13 | peterrus | may tux have mercy on him |
| 11:14.35 | jetscreamer | once i made them use linux |
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| 11:14.42 | peterrus | lol |
| 11:14.58 | peterrus | they won't as long as there little friends do |
| 11:15.02 | peterrus | don' t |
| 11:15.21 | peterrus | "because msn is ceewl, and it just works" |
| 11:15.33 | bkhl | Of course MSN just works in Linux too... |
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| 11:15.51 | DragonD | When you configure postfix to use mysql will it still recive mail for real users? |
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| 11:17.47 | jetscreamer | i also made them build thier own box if they wanted to put windows on it... gave em some parts and a cd |
| 11:17.57 | jetscreamer | ei |
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| 11:21.39 | jetscreamer | one did, the other just bought a laptop instead... :) |
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| 11:23.17 | jetscreamer | but... the one who bought the laptop, and blames me for the wireless not working, also won't let me touch it... |
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| 11:23.42 | jetscreamer | it's MY fault windows sucks... go figure. |
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| 11:24.41 | liable | !blame jetscreamer |
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| 11:25.25 | jetscreamer | i sure like hibernation though |
| 11:25.27 | peterrus | jetscreamer, dot touch the laptop as long as it has windows, maybe you get infected with economia |
| 11:25.33 | peterrus | dont* |
| 11:26.01 | Sekelsenmat | Hello, Windows erased my MBR, who can I reinstall Lilo? I've being googling, but so far nothing works |
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| 11:26.19 | Sekelsenmat | Also CDs don't boot on my computer, only floppies |
| 11:26.47 | jetscreamer | Sekelsenmat: jsut boot a grub floppy or whatever, then rerun lilo |
| 11:27.04 | liable | Sekelsenmat: boot the install floppy, mount your / partition, chroot and run lilo-install (or whatever it is) |
| 11:27.27 | jetscreamer | it's jsut 'lilo' |
| 11:27.29 | Sekelsenmat | an, thanks, I have the install floppy |
| 11:27.53 | liable | lilo-initiall iirc |
| 11:27.57 | mick_linux | next time, no messing with `fdisk /fixmbr` ;) |
| 11:27.58 | liable | or whatever |
| 11:27.59 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 11:28.07 | jetscreamer | grub-install |
| 11:28.10 | jetscreamer | lilo |
| 11:28.12 | liable | no |
| 11:28.16 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 11:28.31 | jetscreamer | i wub j00 |
| 11:28.35 | mick_linux | Sekelsenmat, you may want to dd a copy of the mbr to a floppy |
| 11:29.09 | Sekelsenmat | how can I do that? |
| 11:29.13 | liable | meh, liloconfig is what i was thinking |
| 11:29.40 | jetscreamer | try grub btw |
| 11:29.45 | mick_linux | `dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/fd bs=512 count=1` |
| 11:29.53 | mick_linux | i think floppy is /dev/fd |
| 11:30.09 | peterrus | /dev/fd0 |
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| 11:30.23 | mick_linux | ya, fd0 like i said :P |
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| 11:30.46 | Sekelsenmat | and then I would type: dd if=/dev/fd of=/dev/hda |
| 11:30.46 | peterrus | but i suggest you first fix your mbr. boot into debian using a rescue cd (the rescue cd = setup cd) and run reninstaal grub |
| 11:30.46 | Sekelsenmat | to recover mbr? |
| 11:30.55 | peterrus | nope |
| 11:31.02 | peterrus | oh |
| 11:31.02 | peterrus | wait |
| 11:31.07 | peterrus | dunno |
| 11:31.09 | peterrus | :p |
| 11:32.07 | jetscreamer | linksys+windows is ghey |
| 11:32.14 | pelzi_ | oh damn idiots... why did they break bluetooth, the old pin system was good |
| 11:32.38 | jetscreamer | they like breaking stuff... because it's 'new' |
| 11:32.44 | Aeris_ | hello, with the last update of etch, root password is refused by graphical application (like kuser or kcontol), what I can do to correct this problem? |
| 11:32.50 | jetscreamer | what they break it with is new, i mean |
| 11:32.58 | pelzi_ | yep |
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| 11:34.31 | pelzi_ | now I should use some stupid graphical thing to input it |
| 11:34.55 | liable | you have to? |
| 11:34.58 | pelzi_ | with the old system it lived nicely vi-editable in etc |
| 11:35.14 | pelzi_ | afaik yes |
| 11:35.35 | pelzi_ | so I have to download some stupid multi-megabyte graphical application over less-than-9600k gprs |
| 11:35.48 | pelzi_ | thank you, bluez... |
| 11:36.15 | peterrus | poor bastard |
| 11:36.19 | peterrus | yeah you are right |
| 11:36.28 | peterrus | it should have stayed that way |
| 11:36.32 | peterrus | or just do it both |
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| 11:36.49 | k31th | Hum mail server about 1800 users 400 can be online at once dual xeon 4 gigs of ram should be ok ? |
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| 11:37.19 | jetscreamer | sounds like overkill to me but i know nothing |
| 11:38.21 | pelzi_ | thank god irda works, but without bt I need to have the phone on the table and the signal is terrible here in the middle of nowhere |
| 11:39.56 | pelzi_ | dammit... bluez-pin is not installable |
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| 11:41.26 | pelzi_ | hell. fuck nokia and their binary data cable protocol, fuck bluez. I'll soon use a telephone modem |
| 11:41.32 | peterrus | Aeris_, you can configure this in the login manager config tool |
| 11:41.59 | Aeris_ | where it is? |
| 11:42.02 | pelzi_ | oh, goddammit, fuck ibm, I have no serial port :S |
| 11:42.12 | peterrus | pelzi_, what about dowloading it from packages.debian.org and its depencies |
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| 11:42.23 | peterrus | pelzi_, usb to serial converter |
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| 11:42.44 | pelzi_ | nah... can't acquire one |
| 11:42.56 | peterrus | Aeris_, dont know in kde, but somewhere in the control panel |
| 11:43.07 | peterrus | pelzi_, they dontcosta fuck? |
| 11:43.15 | pelzi_ | well, I'd like to be able to trust the bluetooth stack enough to be able to get connected on the go, but seems not |
| 11:43.45 | pelzi_ | well I can't turn into a piece of electronics in the middle of nowhere |
| 11:44.12 | peterrus | pelzi_, there is no big city near? |
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| 11:44.30 | Aeris_ | with the login manager, I can manage login (^^), but not auth to use root password with application |
| 11:44.40 | Sekelsenmat | ok, I booted with the install floppies |
| 11:44.47 | Sekelsenmat | How can I mount / now? |
| 11:44.50 | pelzi_ | nope, nowhere near. |
| 11:44.54 | peterrus | Aeris_, ? no idea :/ |
| 11:45.35 | peterrus | Sekelsenmat, mount -t filesystemtype /dev/yourroot /mnt/rooter0r |
| 11:45.39 | jetscreamer | mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /place/to/mount |
| 11:45.45 | peterrus | indeed |
| 11:45.47 | Sekelsenmat | thanks |
| 11:45.48 | Aeris_ | and I can login me in graphical mode in root mode without problem |
| 11:45.49 | SakalR | Sekelsenmat: mount -t fstype -o rw /dev/device /mnt/dir |
| 11:45.53 | peterrus | lol |
| 11:45.59 | peterrus | i was the fastest |
| 11:46.04 | SakalR | ) |
| 11:46.04 | Sekelsenmat | lol |
| 11:46.09 | SakalR | but without -o rw |
| 11:46.17 | peterrus | Aeris_, so, whats the problem no? |
| 11:46.52 | peterrus | now?* |
| 11:46.58 | Aeris_ | if I want to use a grahhical application (like kuser), application ask to me my root password |
| 11:47.03 | peterrus | yes |
| 11:47.07 | peterrus | thats normal |
| 11:47.14 | Aeris_ | and tjis pasword was refused |
| 11:47.17 | Aeris_ | *this |
| 11:47.23 | peterrus | you need to use the root password |
| 11:47.29 | Aeris_ | yes of course |
| 11:47.33 | peterrus | if that doesnt work |
| 11:47.37 | peterrus | try your own password |
| 11:47.44 | Aeris_ | same problem |
| 11:47.48 | peterrus | ah |
| 11:48.09 | Aeris_ | but in console mode, no problem, root password is accepted |
| 11:48.11 | Sekelsenmat | doesn't work. there is no file /dev/hda1 |
| 11:48.20 | Sekelsenmat | actually my /dev has very few files |
| 11:48.24 | peterrus | Aeris_, strange, i have no idea |
| 11:48.33 | jetscreamer | you need to know where it is |
| 11:48.34 | peterrus | : / |
| 11:48.37 | jetscreamer | where is it |
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| 11:48.52 | Aeris_ | I'm no alone with this problem |
| 11:49.06 | Aeris_ | lots of users have it |
| 11:49.09 | peterrus | Sekelsenmat, which drive./partition is your root partition, normally |
| 11:49.16 | Aeris_ | and all with the last update of etch |
| 11:49.30 | peterrus | Aeris_, i detest kde so i cant help you with it, but someone else might |
| 11:49.48 | Aeris_ | with gnome, same problem to |
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| 11:49.57 | Aeris_ | root password + graphical mode = bug |
| 11:50.01 | peterrus | i see |
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| 11:50.11 | peterrus | try an older version of gksu maybe? |
| 11:50.41 | Sekelsenmat | peterrus: It's a dual boot with win98 |
| 11:50.49 | peterrus | Sekelsenmat, okay |
| 11:50.52 | Sekelsenmat | it should be hda1 |
| 11:50.57 | SakalR | no |
| 11:51.00 | Sekelsenmat | but /dev/hda or /dev/hda1 do not exist |
| 11:51.05 | peterrus | hmmm |
| 11:51.10 | Sekelsenmat | on the filesystem created by the install floppy |
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| 11:51.15 | phyburn | anyone here use hushmail? |
| 11:51.16 | jetscreamer | it's shouldn't be hda1 |
| 11:51.17 | SakalR | it should be hda5,6,7,etc |
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| 11:51.25 | Sekelsenmat | don't exist too |
| 11:51.29 | jetscreamer | hda1 should be windows |
| 11:51.37 | scrillaz | yes phyburn i use hushmail |
| 11:51.39 | peterrus | and you have a normal hdd? a IDE drive? |
| 11:51.40 | SakalR | ls -la /dev/hda* |
| 11:51.43 | jetscreamer | you may need to moung /proc |
| 11:51.48 | jetscreamer | mount |
| 11:51.53 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 11:51.57 | pumpkin0 | i have a strange problem with localepruge. It says "Some new locales have appeared on your system" at every install. But i already have rerun the config-script. Even running the config-script and running the pruge afterwards still creates that error msg ... ? |
| 11:52.00 | jetscreamer | or chroot in |
| 11:52.06 | scrillaz | is it the one like hotmail phyburn? |
| 11:52.28 | peterrus | Sekelsenmat, try SakalR s thing first i suggest and then try to mount proc, jetscreamer knows how i hope :p |
| 11:53.10 | Sekelsenmat | ls -la /dev/hda* |
| 11:53.14 | peterrus | yes |
| 11:53.15 | Sekelsenmat | no such file or directory |
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| 11:53.21 | peterrus | wow |
| 11:53.25 | peterrus | wait |
| 11:53.37 | peterrus | ls -la /dev/hd* |
| 11:53.50 | pumpkin0 | Sekelsenmat: post the output of "mount" somewhere. Ask dpkg about a paster-site |
| 11:53.54 | phyburn | scrillaz, its www.hushmail.com |
| 11:54.09 | Sekelsenmat | cannot mount /proc device busy |
| 11:54.27 | phyburn | scrillaz, do you use it? |
| 11:54.42 | Aeris_ | peterrus > I find the solution: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135645 |
| 11:54.52 | peterrus | Aeris_, okay, good luch with it |
| 11:54.54 | peterrus | :) |
| 11:54.59 | Aeris_ | ^^ |
| 11:55.02 | Sekelsenmat | tmpfs on / type tmpfs (rw) |
| 11:55.25 | Sekelsenmat | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 11:55.31 | SakalR | To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian. // weher this README.Debian????? |
| 11:55.33 | Sekelsenmat | devfs on /dev type devfs (rw) |
| 11:55.35 | Sekelsenmat | that's it |
| 11:55.37 | phyburn | who is the bot that knows everything ^_^ |
| 11:55.40 | scrillaz | yea phyburn i use it |
| 11:56.02 | Hoxzer | phyburn: dpkg |
| 11:56.13 | phyburn | scrillaz, how did you get it to work mine just sits there and wont login |
| 11:56.24 | jetscreamer | use --to-deb iirc |
| 11:57.05 | pumpkin0 | SakalR: you are looking for "alien". |
| 11:57.06 | scrillaz | you gotta type username@hushmail.com |
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| 11:57.25 | phyburn | scrillaz, no I mean the java applet won't load |
| 11:57.28 | pumpkin0 | Sekelsenmat: are you sure you have a IDE-drive ? and not a SATA ? |
| 11:57.31 | phyburn | scrillaz, what do you use for java? |
| 11:57.33 | Ragnaroek | that's a secret |
| 11:57.34 | peterrus | PATHETIC OMG PATHETIC SOMEONE HELP ME: http://stealthsurfer.biz/identity_hacker.wmv |
| 11:57.56 | scrillaz | i did not install java to use hushmail |
| 11:58.10 | scrillaz | what browser u using phyburn? |
| 11:58.13 | wrabbit^ | Hi. What if, during the minimal install, no ethernet card is detected? It's an onboard card and I don't know what it is. Any ideas? |
| 11:58.20 | phyburn | scrillaz, firefox |
| 11:58.38 | pumpkin0 | wrabbit^: run "lspci" and find out which card it is. |
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| 11:59.11 | wrabbit^ | pumpkin0: can I get to cli during an install? |
| 11:59.27 | scrillaz | yea i use firefox too |
| 11:59.34 | pumpkin0 | wrabbit^: ctrl-atl-F1 or F2 ... |
| 11:59.49 | x_link | Partition hard Drive ( there I got this options ) : Guided Partitioning, Help about partitioning, regreet changes on partitionms, finish partition and write changes to the hard drive. |
| 12:00.00 | x_link | Nothing works here, I don't get it. |
| 12:00.01 | wrabbit^ | pumpkin0: nice, thanks |
| 12:00.23 | wrabbit^ | says, pspci: not found |
| 12:00.29 | pumpkin0 | wrabbit^: the netinstall can boot 2 kernels. 2.4 and 2.6. Did you try both ? |
| 12:00.36 | pumpkin0 | wrabbit^: lllllllspci |
| 12:00.47 | wrabbit^ | that's what I meant. typo |
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| 12:00.59 | wykis | Hello |
| 12:01.03 | Sekelsenmat | pumpkin0: I don't know the type of my HD |
| 12:01.05 | scrillaz | i logged in phyburn |
| 12:01.22 | phyburn | scrillaz, you have no java or anything installed? |
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| 12:01.28 | pumpkin0 | Sekelsenmat: do you see any file like /dev/sda* ? |
| 12:01.40 | phyburn | anyone know if you can run a i386 program on amd64? |
| 12:01.47 | pumpkin0 | wrabbit^: which netinstall-CD did you download ? |
| 12:01.56 | Sekelsenmat | No |
| 12:02.09 | peterrus | what exactly is inyour /dev? |
| 12:02.21 | x_link | Can somebody please help me ? |
| 12:02.30 | peterrus | x_link, nope? |
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| 12:02.38 | peterrus | x_link, tell us |
| 12:02.39 | wrabbit^ | pumpkin0: can't recall. Downloaded it a week or so ago |
| 12:02.41 | lunitik | Fuck I hate the Ubuntu community... and they say Debian is stuck up :/ |
| 12:02.43 | Sekelsenmat | floppy, urandom, scsi, ide, |
| 12:02.54 | Sekelsenmat | about 20 other things |
| 12:02.59 | peterrus | ah |
| 12:03.00 | Sekelsenmat | fd |
| 12:03.05 | pumpkin0 | Sekelsenmat: ls -la /dev/ide/* ? |
| 12:03.07 | scrillaz | yeai got java installed. my bad |
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| 12:03.17 | lunitik | OMG DON'T TALK ABOUT OFF TOPIC (but related) THINGS WHEN NO ONE ELSE IS TALKING!!!! |
| 12:03.23 | x_link | peterrus: I just wrote. |
| 12:03.55 | peterrus | x_link, details please |
| 12:03.57 | scrillaz | http://java.sun.com/ |
| 12:04.05 | Sekelsenmat | it's empty |
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| 12:04.17 | peterrus | thats strange |
| 12:04.17 | x_link | Partition hard Drive ( there I got this options ) : Guided Partitioning, Help about partitioning, regreet changes on partitionms, finish partition and write changes to the hard drive. |
| 12:04.19 | Mooi | how can I use 5.1 surround sound? any tutorials available? I got a "Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1". I tested it on my PC and it seems that only the center/bass channels are working (for example, using mplayer and surround51 channel or something:/). I also would be happy to play XMMS audio on all channels. Any tutorials, help, tips would be great. |
| 12:04.20 | pumpkin0 | Sekelsenmat: OK, what about /dev/scsi/* ? |
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| 12:04.24 | iturk | hi there i am trying to run cube game. An FPS. I have a simple Sis graphic card. I have installed the OpenGL libraries. When i try to run the game in fullscreen or in a window i cannot see any image on them. On window i only get this error "open /dev/sequencer: No such device" on Fullscreen i am getting http://pastebin.ca/213416 !! What can be the problem ?? |
| 12:04.25 | Sekelsenmat | empty too |
| 12:04.28 | peterrus | does this mean proc needs to be mounted? |
| 12:04.36 | scrillaz | http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx chx here phyburn |
| 12:04.37 | Sekelsenmat | I only booted with the boot disk and the root disk |
| 12:04.50 | Sekelsenmat | Perhaps I should also load the cd-drivers and load stuff from the install CD? |
| 12:05.06 | x_link | When I get there what should I choose ? I messed up my Debian yesterday so I can't use it. I'm on my Windows hdd now. Cause nothing works in teh partitioning, it's not like when I first installed it. |
| 12:05.19 | Mooi | In alsamixer, though, I do not have anything like front, rear channels. only changing the master can do the function. How can I test ? |
| 12:05.25 | bayer | what is the "debian way" of making routes permanent? |
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| 12:06.04 | pngwn | bayer, man route |
| 12:06.08 | pumpkin0 | x_link: do you want to reinstall debian or do you want to fix it ? |
| 12:06.26 | k-man | how can i change just directories to g+x recursively? |
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| 12:06.42 | pumpkin0 | iturk: run "glxinfo" and post the output. |
| 12:06.46 | phyburn | scrillaz, does not work on my system I am running crap amd64 <_< |
| 12:06.49 | peterrus | k-man, chmod -R g+x directory |
| 12:06.51 | x_link | pumpkin0: re-insetall. |
| 12:07.08 | pumpkin0 | k-man: chmod +R <your-options> <base-dir> |
| 12:07.20 | bayer | pngwn: i want the routes to survive a reboot - i couldnt find info about that in the man pages |
| 12:07.21 | iturk | pumpkin0: glxinfo is some debug application for this kind of stuf ?? |
| 12:07.26 | k-man | pumpkin0, but i don't want to change the files in the tree |
| 12:07.38 | k-man | +R? |
| 12:07.55 | pumpkin0 | iturk: it gives me an idea about what works and what doesn´t on your system. |
| 12:07.58 | pelzi_ | wow, now I have a stupid graphical thing to input a passkey. thank god I don't have to pay for data |
| 12:08.03 | phyburn | can amd64 run i386 programs? |
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| 12:08.12 | wireddd | bayer: it sounds like you should make a script to load the routes when you boot up |
| 12:09.06 | bayer | wireddd: but theres no default place to put routes? |
| 12:09.08 | iturk | pumpkin0: ok i try to find it in apt not there so maybe its installed because i have the SDL libraries installed. So how can i run it ? |
| 12:09.26 | bayer | wireddd: (except for the gateway) |
| 12:09.40 | bayer | default gateway |
| 12:09.50 | wireddd | bayer: are you trying to make yourt own router? |
| 12:09.52 | scrillaz | ok |
| 12:10.05 | SakalR | where can I set ftp URL for apt-get, currently CD only |
| 12:10.19 | pumpkin0 | SakalR: /etc/apt/sources.conf |
| 12:10.22 | blondie | !sources.list |
| 12:10.22 | dpkg | sources.list is, like, something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. |
| 12:10.33 | pumpkin0 | iturk: install "mesa-utils" |
| 12:10.55 | Sekelsenmat | well, ok, booting from the install disks doesn't seam to work |
| 12:10.56 | bayer | wireddd: kind of, its only for a testing environment, where i have several subnets and i need to route between them |
| 12:11.01 | SakalR | thx |
| 12:11.02 | Sekelsenmat | any other way to fix my mbr? |
| 12:11.15 | keko_ | what can be my problem when i try to startx it say: No Screen found |
| 12:11.15 | Sekelsenmat | i.e. reinstall lilo or grub |
| 12:11.25 | iturk | pumpkin0: its already installed |
| 12:11.43 | pumpkin0 | iturk: so "glxinfo" should output stuff. |
| 12:11.56 | pumpkin0 | i have a strange problem with localepruge. It says "Some new locales have appeared on your system" at every install. But i already have rerun the config-script. Even running the config-script and running the pruge afterwards still creates that error msg ... ? |
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| 12:12.52 | iturk | pumpkin0: ok so i just need to run it i think !! can you tell me how to do it ? |
| 12:13.00 | wrabbit^ | lunitik: Have some trouble in Ubuntu? |
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| 12:13.40 | pumpkin0 | keko_: wrong settings in your Xorg-config. look at the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log ... |
| 12:13.48 | lunitik | wrabbit^: what makes you think that? |
| 12:13.51 | phyburn | is there a big difference between amd64 and i366? |
| 12:13.55 | pumpkin0 | iturk: open a console and run "glxinfo" |
| 12:13.59 | liable | fglrx is so annoying when mesa gets upgraded :/ |
| 12:14.41 | wrabbit^ | <lunitik> Fuck I hate the Ubuntu community... and they say Debian is stuck up :/ |
| 12:14.47 | lunitik | phyburn: other than being 64bit instead of 32... nothing at all |
| 12:15.10 | lunitik | wrabbit^: scroll down a little from there... I say exactly what happened... I was just venting :/ |
| 12:15.12 | phyburn | lunitik, y didnt they make it able to run 32bit programs nativly ? |
| 12:15.26 | wrabbit^ | ah right |
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| 12:15.37 | netsurf3 | hello peeps |
| 12:15.45 | iturk | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.ca/213425 |
| 12:15.56 | lunitik | phyburn: Opteron can... as can one of Intel's 64bit chips |
| 12:16.21 | phyburn | lunitik, just wondering cause it seems I can't install anything... First time I have tryed amd64 |
| 12:16.22 | netsurf3 | is there anyway of making X lighter on ram? |
| 12:16.25 | keko_ | pumpkin0: EE problem parsing the config file |
| 12:16.29 | keko_ | EE error from xf86handleconfigfile |
| 12:16.33 | iturk | pumpkin0: i will come back in 30 minutes |
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| 12:17.43 | pumpkin0 | keko_: Did you change anything in the config-file lately ? |
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| 12:17.58 | Putero | hi |
| 12:17.59 | Putero | hi, somebody know a similar program to SurMix2 for my soundblaster sound card? because i have a Audigy2 with proffesional sound for work, and under linux this card sound like a simple card integrated on mother board |
| 12:18.02 | keko_ | pumpkin0: yea mouse settings |
| 12:18.38 | keko_ | i installed synaptics and i configure it little bit |
| 12:19.03 | pumpkin0 | keko_: xfree does not understand the new parts. You should go back to the backup you made before and retrace your steps. |
| 12:19.54 | Hoxzer | yeah, :) just installed cedega and transfering oblivion dvd from server to my PC. Let's see how does it work |
| 12:20.24 | keko_ | pumpkin0: oke lets try it :) |
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| 12:23.08 | liable | gah, something keeps rewriting my xorg.conf |
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| 12:26.08 | pumpkin0 | liable: you should lock down your server more. If people from outside already have w-access to /etc .... |
| 12:26.33 | liable | pumpkin0: yes those people are the debian devs.. :P |
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| 12:27.39 | pumpkin0 | liable: nothing a good "chmod -wx /etc/X11/Xorg.conf" would not cure ... |
| 12:27.47 | netsurf3 | anyone know how much ram rox uses? |
| 12:28.07 | lolkaare | anyone know why I don't have ath_pci module after installing madwifi? |
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| 12:28.28 | wols | infernixx: ifconfig -a? |
| 12:28.34 | liable | lolkaare: how did you install madwifi? |
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| 12:28.50 | lolkaare | with module-assist |
| 12:29.28 | liable | lolkaare: it ran ok? strange. |
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| 12:30.40 | mick_linux | what is the format of /etc/hosts ? i know it to be $ip $domain_name, but this has 4 columns |
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| 12:30.54 | mick_linux | basically, i'd just like to add: 192.168.2.45 MacBook |
| 12:31.14 | wrabbit^ | ok, I've been trying to find out which motherboard I have cos it has onboard ethernet. Anybody know why lspci won't work? |
| 12:31.41 | liable | wont work? or shows unknown? |
| 12:32.02 | wrabbit^ | just says, /bin/sh: lspci: not found |
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| 12:32.11 | wrabbit^ | so I guess the command is unknown |
| 12:32.19 | liable | wrabbit^: install pciutils |
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| 12:32.29 | wrabbit^ | I haven't even installed the base system yet |
| 12:32.32 | liable | or pci-utils, whichever |
| 12:32.45 | wrabbit^ | it's trying to find my ethernet card for the install |
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| 12:33.25 | liable | then you'll have to google with whatever info of your computer you have |
| 12:33.43 | wrabbit^ | ok, cheers |
| 12:33.48 | liable | the installer shell (busybox) doesnt have pciutils |
| 12:34.10 | liable | wrabbit^: which installer are you using? |
| 12:34.36 | wrabbit^ | liable: no idea. I downloaded the minimal install a week ago. |
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| 12:34.58 | liable | wrabbit^: makes it hard to help :P |
| 12:35.16 | wrabbit^ | yeah, I know |
| 12:35.23 | wrabbit^ | thanks though |
| 12:35.31 | mick_linux | oh, duh - i know why it didn't work (ICMP was dropped at the fw) |
| 12:36.38 | wrabbit^ | liable: I know it was the netinst on this page. http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ i386 |
| 12:37.10 | liable | wrabbit^: prolly the sarge one then. try 'linux26' as the boot option |
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| 12:37.30 | wrabbit^ | Integrated Gigabit Ethernet solution with NVIDIA TCP/IP Acceleration technology <--- my mother board specs tell me this |
| 12:37.34 | liable | wrabbit^: depending how new your mobo is though, the kernel may not support your nic |
| 12:37.56 | wrabbit^ | it's pretty new |
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| 12:38.03 | wrabbit^ | http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2283 |
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| 12:38.46 | liable | wrabbit^: there are versions of the sarge installer with newer kernels, or you could try the etch installer |
| 12:39.11 | wols | wrabbit^: forcedeth |
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| 12:39.57 | wrabbit^ | liable: ok. I knew I'd have some bad luck with this install |
| 12:40.06 | wrabbit^ | wols: what's forcedeth? |
| 12:41.25 | liable | wrabbit^: module name for nvidia ethernet cards |
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| 12:42.21 | wrabbit^ | ah right. Any idea what sort of parameters I'll need? |
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| 12:43.34 | liable | wrabbit^: boot with the linux26 option as i mentioned, and it 'might' just work, if the installer fails to load it, i doubt manuall modprobing of the module will help |
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| 12:45.05 | wrabbit^ | doing it now liable |
| 12:45.45 | wrabbit^ | nope... didn't work |
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| 12:46.09 | xnon | hello |
| 12:46.19 | liable | wrabbit^: does it say it fails to find the hardware? |
| 12:46.21 | xnon | como hago para ver si un paquete esta instalado |
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| 12:47.57 | wrabbit^ | Just says, No Ethernet card was detected.... etc. |
| 12:48.19 | x_link | When I install Debian, how do I get to the konsole so that I can type dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev,hdX ? |
| 12:48.29 | x_link | Ctrl+Alt+ F3 ? |
| 12:48.45 | liable | k, try hitting alt+f2 and type 'modprobe forcedeath' |
| 12:48.56 | x_link | Okey, will that format the hdd ? |
| 12:48.56 | liable | wrabbit^: ^^ |
| 12:49.07 | liable | x_link: that wasnt for you :P |
| 12:49.12 | x_link | ok |
| 12:49.25 | x_link | can somebody just tell me quick, please, I relly have to go. |
| 12:49.33 | wrabbit^ | you mean forcedeth? modprobe forcedeth doesn't work |
| 12:49.35 | streuner | !hurry |
| 12:49.35 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 12:49.40 | liable | x_link: but alt+f2 will give you a console so you can type commands |
| 12:49.45 | SakalR | where put archives apt-get upgrade? |
| 12:50.03 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.20 | wols | wrabbit^: he means modprobe forcedeth |
| 12:50.22 | x_link | Okey |
| 12:50.24 | x_link | thanks |
| 12:50.27 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 12:50.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 12:50.32 | liable | wrabbit^: you prolly need a newer installer kernel |
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| 12:50.42 | wrabbit^ | seems that way |
| 12:50.49 | wrabbit^ | oh well.. was worth a try |
| 12:50.54 | wols | liable: forcedet is available in 2.6.8. even 2.4.27 IIRC |
| 12:51.14 | wrabbit^ | forcedeth is in the ethernet option list |
| 12:51.22 | liable | wols: i am too lazy to google for him what exact module he needs for his mobo |
| 12:51.26 | wrabbit^ | I just need the parameters. Googling now but I don't really know what I'm looking for |
| 12:51.48 | wrabbit^ | you don't need to. If I can't find it, that's my problem |
| 12:52.08 | wols | liable: there is only focredeth for nvidia nics |
| 12:52.32 | liable | ok |
| 12:52.50 | wols | wrabbit^: and what does it say when you load it? could be your pci-ids don't contain that NIC yet, but only nforce2 NICs |
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| 12:53.02 | SakalR | thx |
| 12:53.15 | wrabbit^ | wols: sorry, load what? |
| 12:53.28 | wols | load forcedeth |
| 12:54.22 | wrabbit^ | I'll tell ya in a sec |
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| 12:55.42 | wrabbit^ | just asks me to put in additional parameters for module forcedeth. Haven't gotten past that point yet |
| 12:55.42 | Mnabil | hello , guys , i installed debian Sid on my laptop , my vga is 128 mb shared , the graphics is very slow on the laptop, i can't even run xmoto ??!! i dun have glx gears either , what gonna i do ? |
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| 12:56.31 | wols | press enter |
| 12:56.57 | kreshnik | hello i need to install all webserver things apache2 php5 mysql.. what all packages i must install |
| 12:56.59 | wols | Mnabil: you find out what "videocard" you have and install the proper driver for it? |
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| 12:57.32 | wols | kreshnik: apt-cache search apache2, apt-cache search php5, etc |
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| 12:57.40 | wrabbit^ | wols: pressing enter just takes me back to the "No ethernet card was detected" screen |
| 12:58.21 | wols | !tell wrabbit^ about sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 13:01.39 | wrabbit^ | looks like I'll have to dl the other installer |
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| 13:01.52 | wrabbit^ | thanks anyway chaps |
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| 13:02.24 | xingu | wrabbit^: mcp51/nforce430 support was added in forcedeth v0.33 in 16-may-2005 |
| 13:02.36 | xingu | wrabbit^: if your installer kernel predates this, this is your problem. |
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| 13:03.09 | shannoun | if i want to edit or mod a downloaded video, which would be the tool to use? |
| 13:03.21 | wrabbit^ | xingu: I know it's my problem. |
| 13:03.32 | wols | wrabbit^: a net installer is small |
| 13:03.47 | wrabbit^ | wols: I know, I'm not complaining about it |
| 13:03.56 | xingu | wrabbit^: if your installer kernel has forcedeth >= v0.33 the module should bind and work |
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| 13:05.49 | wrabbit^ | xingu: guys it's an earlier version then. The module forcedeth failed to load |
| 13:05.54 | wrabbit^ | guess* |
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| 13:06.32 | xingu | wrabbit^: 2.6.12 is evidently the earliest kernel with forcedeth >= 0.33 |
| 13:06.51 | xingu | err |
| 13:06.53 | xingu | 2.6.13 |
| 13:06.54 | xingu | my mistake |
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| 13:08.52 | wrabbit^ | how do I check my kernel info in cli? |
| 13:09.17 | danilom | the best mail client for linux? |
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| 13:11.18 | wols | !best |
| 13:11.19 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 13:11.29 | wols | wrabbit^: uname -a |
| 13:12.56 | shannoun | danilom: try evolution. |
| 13:13.04 | diskus | mutt is the best |
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| 13:13.25 | delire | diskus: that is Empirically correct, yes. |
| 13:13.39 | danilom | diskus: yes its true!!!! |
| 13:13.42 | wrabbit^ | Linux debian 2.4.27-3-386 #1 |
| 13:13.44 | shannoun | evolution for professional, commercial quality. |
| 13:13.57 | wrabbit^ | looks like I'm way behind :) |
| 13:14.02 | danilom | shannoun thanks im going to try evolution im using thunderbird.. |
| 13:14.14 | wols | !start an MUA war |
| 13:14.14 | dpkg | sylpheed blows |
| 13:14.31 | pelzi_ | mutt <3 |
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| 13:14.36 | danilom | shannoun, evolution can work as a groupware suite acrross the intraneet? |
| 13:14.37 | netsurf3 | mutt? |
| 13:14.43 | netsurf3 | as in doggie? |
| 13:14.52 | iturk | pumpkin0: could see something wrong in glxinfo that i gave to you ? |
| 13:14.54 | pelzi_ | the mua. |
| 13:14.58 | delire | netsurf3: as in the MUA that sucks the least. |
| 13:15.03 | wols | as in doggie. and mutt sucks. awfully so. it's just that every other MUA sucks even more |
| 13:15.07 | netsurf3 | !dpkg mua |
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| 13:15.14 | netsurf3 | :/ |
| 13:15.36 | pelzi_ | maybe telnet to imap ;) |
| 13:15.39 | netsurf3 | i thought dpkg was an oracle of knowledge |
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| 13:15.59 | netsurf3 | !mua |
| 13:15.59 | dpkg | i guess mua is a mail user agent, in other words mutt, balsa, pine, elm or any other mail client program. |
| 13:16.01 | wols | pelzi_: imap? luxury!. cat /var/spool/mail/user |
| 13:16.09 | pumpkin0 | iturk: the driver for your gfx-chip does not know howto do 3D. So it tries to do it in 2D + CPU-emulated 3D. Which fails for some games. |
| 13:16.10 | netsurf3 | ahh |
| 13:16.13 | netsurf3 | that makes sence |
| 13:16.14 | netsurf3 | :) |
| 13:16.22 | wrabbit^ | if I download the iso on this page.... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/bt-cd/ am I on the right track? |
| 13:16.33 | wols | wrabbit^: no |
| 13:16.35 | pelzi_ | wols: and netcat for sending ;) |
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| 13:16.45 | wrabbit^ | ugh |
| 13:16.51 | wols | and ed for writing |
| 13:16.51 | iturk | pumpkin0: i dont see that options for cube !! |
| 13:17.37 | wrabbit^ | So where do I dl the right version? That's all I can find on the debian site |
| 13:17.43 | wols | I already told you |
| 13:17.49 | wols | or rather, dpkg did |
| 13:17.57 | wrabbit^ | ah, right. |
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| 13:18.45 | pumpkin0 | iturk: cube does not have to have an option about it. Cube does not have a choice, it most use the installed 3D-libs. Which are softwarebased and very slow in your case. |
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| 13:19.11 | _Brandon_ | does someone know if netgear wg311is it's wg311 v2? or if it works fine on linux? |
| 13:19.31 | liable | wrabbit^: paste the url before you dl another |
| 13:19.45 | iturk | pumpkin0: so how can i put my 3D-libs doing CPU-emulated 3D ?? |
| 13:19.48 | wrabbit^ | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.15/sarge-custom-0206.iso ? |
| 13:20.03 | wols | 8put? |
| 13:20.06 | wols | -8 |
| 13:20.12 | liable | wrabbit^: is this a server you are installing on? |
| 13:20.33 | pumpkin0 | iturk: they are already installed and working. But the emu is not fast enough to run cube. |
| 13:20.34 | wrabbit^ | nope. Just a standard desktop |
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| 13:21.14 | iturk | pumpkin0: ok i wan to try it how can i run it ? |
| 13:21.14 | liable | wrabbit^: if not, get the etch installer. etch will be released soon, and doesnt seem to have too many nasty things going on with it lately |
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| 13:21.38 | strk | is there a framebuffer testing program you know about ? |
| 13:21.44 | liable | wrabbit^: theres a link for the installer in the devel section on the debian.org page iirc |
| 13:22.24 | strk | fbset returns a mode but if I pass that *same* mode (by label) to fbset the framebuffer is screwed up and I have to reboot (debian testing, kernel 2.6.16) |
| 13:22.48 | danilom | i got this error in a rsync: file has vanished.. |
| 13:22.55 | iturk | pumpkin0: its like i dont see any image i want to see something even if its realllllyyy slow |
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| 13:25.03 | wrabbit^ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso <-- liable? |
| 13:25.11 | liable | ya |
| 13:25.21 | pelzi_ | danilom: do not remove files while running rsync, nor change them |
| 13:25.28 | wrabbit^ | does it have the more recent kernel? |
| 13:25.31 | liable | wrabbit^: get the netinst though, its a smaller download |
| 13:25.32 | iturk | pumpkin0: so what is the next step ? |
| 13:25.51 | liable | wrabbit^: yes, 2.6.17 or 18 i think |
| 13:25.52 | danilom | pelzi_ im not removing or moving files... |
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| 13:26.14 | pelzi_ | then something else is. |
| 13:26.41 | multi_io | what "problems" does apt-get have here? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4146 |
| 13:26.43 | wrabbit^ | liable: alright. Downloading http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso now |
| 13:26.45 | multi_io | without the --yes it works just fine (after pressing enter to proceed) |
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| 13:27.21 | liable | wrabbit^: isnt there a rc3 version of the netinst? |
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| 13:27.54 | wrabbit^ | no idea. I'm here... http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:27.56 | liable | wrabbit^: daily builds can be broken, though its fairly late in the game, and 'should' be ok |
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| 13:28.51 | wily | hi all |
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| 13:28.54 | liable | wrabbit^: |
| 13:28.57 | liable | wrabbit^: |
| 13:28.58 | wily | i've a problem with kiswmet |
| 13:29.01 | wily | kismet |
| 13:29.02 | liable | wrabbit^: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 13:29.09 | wily | anyone help me? |
| 13:29.29 | wily | failed to set up UI server |
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| 13:29.49 | wrabbit^ | liable: I suck. Thanks |
| 13:29.52 | liable | wily: did you set the username in the conf file? |
| 13:30.02 | wily | yes of course |
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| 13:30.21 | wily | problem is here: Failed to set up UI server: TcpServer bind() failed: Address already in use |
| 13:30.23 | wrabbit^ | liable: and it was the first set of links. <-- feels stupid :) |
| 13:30.42 | liable | :) |
| 13:31.01 | wrabbit^ | Gonna go for a walk. Hopefully it'll be done when I get back. Cya soon and thanks for the help |
| 13:31.07 | liable | wily: hrm, havent seen that one myself. |
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| 13:31.45 | k31th | Anyone recomend a nice package to draw images for a website? |
| 13:31.53 | wily | problem is that kismet_server is already running on same address |
| 13:32.03 | wily | i can't kill this process |
| 13:32.23 | liable | wily: why cant you kill it? |
| 13:32.37 | wily | it regenerate itself |
| 13:32.40 | liable | wily: see if its got a parent and kill that |
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| 13:34.06 | iturk | i am also having a problem with kismet -> FATAL: arptype 24 not supported by libpcap - falling back to cooked socket !! What could it be ?? |
| 13:34.09 | lefti | hi, there isn't any driver for ati cards in stable debian? |
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| 13:35.11 | multi_io | if I wanted to hook some code of mine into every downloading of a binary packet during an install/upgrade, where would I do this? |
| 13:35.29 | multi_io | write a wrapper script for apt-get? |
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| 13:37.02 | elik_laptop | Hello, I am trying to add things to my path and create a new environnement variable. I add it to /etc/profile but it wont work |
| 13:37.47 | multi_io | elik_laptop: /etc/profile is only run for login shells |
| 13:38.24 | multi_io | i.e. if you login on the console or start a new X session via xdm (the login dialog in X) |
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| 13:38.42 | dererk | Hi again |
| 13:38.44 | pumpkin0 | iturk (i was AFK for a while): the next step is to yell at the producer of the card to release information about the 3D-interface for that chip. |
| 13:39.00 | elik_laptop | multi_io, I use gdm |
| 13:39.07 | dererk | I've problems setting my bind9 to listen only in the interfaces I want |
| 13:39.10 | multi_io | elik_laptop: ok, same thing |
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| 13:39.34 | elik_laptop | multi_io, yeah, all that ends with *dm is the same :P |
| 13:39.42 | multi_io | elik_laptop: are the variables set if you log in on the console? |
| 13:39.47 | dererk | I've edited named.conf and and in the block "controls" this to try: inet 127.0.0.1 allow { 127.0.0.1; } keys { rndckey; }; |
| 13:39.55 | elik_laptop | multi_io, let me see |
| 13:40.02 | dererk | but It's still listening in all the interfaces I've |
| 13:40.10 | pelzi_ | of course |
| 13:40.19 | pelzi_ | use the listen directive |
| 13:40.24 | elik_laptop | multi_io, yah |
| 13:40.31 | pelzi_ | can't help you more, gprs |
| 13:40.31 | elik_laptop | multi_io, they're set correctly |
| 13:40.52 | porkpie__ | guy's can anyone point me to a doc for installing xen |
| 13:41.01 | dererk | pelzi_, I didn't see such directory on doc |
| 13:41.11 | dererk | directive* |
| 13:41.17 | pelzi_ | there is. |
| 13:41.30 | pelzi_ | listen on {127.0.0.1; }; |
| 13:41.30 | dererk | let me check |
| 13:41.34 | pelzi_ | maybe drop the on |
| 13:41.34 | multi_io | elik_laptop: ok. so start a new X session and see if the vars are set then in there as well |
| 13:41.54 | elik_laptop | multi_io, just ctrl-alt-backspace will do? |
| 13:41.59 | pelzi_ | can't check my conf, the ssh auth would take 40sec |
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| 13:42.31 | lefti | ha |
| 13:42.33 | lefti | backports.org |
| 13:42.35 | multi_io | elik_laptop: preferably you'd quit your desktop from the menu or whatever :) |
| 13:42.38 | lefti | ktb |
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| 13:42.44 | multi_io | but ctrl-alt-backspace will do as well |
| 13:42.45 | elik_laptop | multi_io, hum, ok :P |
| 13:42.49 | elik_laptop | brb |
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| 13:43.43 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:43.43 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 13:44.25 | elik_laptop | multi_io, not set |
| 13:44.57 | elik_laptop | :( |
| 13:45.20 | multi_io | elik_laptop: look at the first line of /etc/gdm/Xsession |
| 13:45.34 | multi_io | does it read something like "#!/bin/sh" ? |
| 13:45.45 | elik_laptop | yeah |
| 13:45.50 | elik_laptop | it,s a bash script |
| 13:46.12 | multi_io | elik_laptop: change it to "#!/bin/bash --login", a start a new session |
| 13:46.22 | nvz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2006-09-22 19:05 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 13:47.05 | elik_laptop | hum, ok... what does it do? |
| 13:47.09 | multi_io | the maintainers of xdm and gdm are too ignorant to care for proper session initialization |
| 13:47.19 | elik_laptop | wait, sorry, it's not bash, it's sh |
| 13:47.20 | tarzeau | it happened again |
| 13:47.27 | nvz | e191e84948591c85e33dc037be795b82 /bin/sh |
| 13:47.29 | nvz | e191e84948591c85e33dc037be795b82 /bin/bash |
| 13:47.33 | tarzeau | firefox the worst ever browser crashes! |
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| 13:47.50 | multi_io | elik_laptop: it runs your initial shell (the one that all you X processes become children of) as a login shell |
| 13:47.52 | SakalR | thx to community for all |
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| 13:48.04 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:48.09 | elik_laptop | hello |
| 13:48.15 | nvz | na, just get him a beer and some pizza |
| 13:48.33 | elik_laptop | multi_io, can I put the --login after sh, or that works only for bash? |
| 13:48.34 | nvz | hmm pizza.. |
| 13:48.38 | multi_io | nobody could explain to me why the maintainers of xdm/gdm etc. don'T do this |
| 13:48.57 | multi_io | elik_laptop: should work with sh as well I think |
| 13:49.10 | elik_laptop | multi_io, ok, trying it |
| 13:49.12 | liable | elik_laptop: i dunno if bending over in front of abrotman is wise |
| 13:49.25 | elik_laptop | I didnt bend over, I bowed |
| 13:49.26 | abrotman | liable: is he a sheep ? |
| 13:49.34 | nvz | did you not notice me showing ls -l /bin/sh; md5sum /bin/sh; md5sum /bin/bash |
| 13:49.34 | elik_laptop | actually, yes.. |
| 13:49.36 | dererk | abrotman, good morning |
| 13:49.36 | elik_laptop | gulp |
| 13:49.42 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:49.46 | dererk | :) |
| 13:50.01 | liable | abrotman: dude, the sheep thing is so old |
| 13:50.18 | abrotman | liable: it still amuses me :) |
| 13:50.22 | dererk | lol |
| 13:50.28 | liable | abrotman: obviously.. |
| 13:50.34 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:50.35 | nvz | finkle is einhorn, einhorn is finkle... finkle is a... |
| 13:50.43 | liable | abrotman: nevermind its the wrong damn country! :P |
| 13:50.45 | nvz | they are the same damn thing |
| 13:51.04 | abrotman | liable: maybe that's why it's so funny |
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| 13:51.19 | liable | abrotman: hrm, maybe |
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| 13:52.14 | elik_laptop | multi_io, :D |
| 13:52.23 | multi_io | great :) |
| 13:52.38 | shannoun | is gimp-gap the right tool to edit .mpg video file? |
| 13:52.40 | elik_laptop | !multi-io++ |
| 13:52.54 | elik_laptop | multi_io, so this line is parsed even if it looks like comment |
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| 13:53.35 | nvz | shannoun: I never heard of gimp-gap, but I use gimp to edit video. you can dump the frames to just about any format with mplayer |
| 13:53.44 | elik_laptop | multi_io, hum, help is very helpful, makes as if it was a login login shell... |
| 13:53.53 | multi_io | elik_laptop: it's called the "shebang" or something. It's parsed by the kernel as it runs the script |
| 13:54.13 | wols | multi_io: no |
| 13:54.19 | multi_io | wols: yes |
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| 13:54.27 | nvz | shannoun: gimp-gap is tagged works-with:video |
| 13:54.31 | shannoun | nvz: i am surprised that you use gimp and yet not heard of gap? o.o |
| 13:54.40 | elik_laptop | shebang... that sounds like something else... |
| 13:54.50 | nvz | shannoun: dont know what I am missing.. I edit movies and animated images with just gimp |
| 13:54.50 | wols | elik_laptop: a shebang is #! |
| 13:54.51 | pelzi_ | it is parsed by the kernel. |
| 13:54.53 | liable | i havent ever heard of either.. |
| 13:55.00 | pelzi_ | it's the magical line |
| 13:55.04 | nvz | shannoun: it loads animations in different layers and its easy to work on them |
| 13:55.29 | dererk | pelzi_, thanks |
| 13:55.36 | elik_laptop | well, I knew you should always start a script with that line... but had never heard about the shebang |
| 13:56.04 | shannoun | nvz: how do you use a video file as the index of a website? |
| 13:56.28 | liable | you dont, that would be evil |
| 13:56.37 | nvz | shannoun: depends, but I agreee with liable |
| 13:56.50 | elik_laptop | multi_io, maybe just one last question |
| 13:57.27 | shannoun | that would be cool, imagine a website you visit is a video rather than some dead text and images. |
| 13:57.41 | elik_laptop | multi_io, eh, I gotta run |
| 13:57.45 | wols | shannoun: it's called "flash". and it sucks |
| 13:57.46 | elik_laptop | multi_io, thx for help again |
| 13:57.48 | multi_io | this a general issue btw, and has been an annoyance for years now: Every beginner's tutorial tells you to put your global initialization in /etc/profile, yet *all* the *dms (xdm/gdm/kdm) that I know of do not run it at startup! |
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| 13:58.06 | multi_io | why?? |
| 13:58.13 | elik_laptop | multi_io, thx for info |
| 13:58.16 | elik_laptop | heading to work |
| 13:58.19 | multi_io | erxz_paste: np |
| 13:58.25 | multi_io | erm elik_laptop |
| 13:58.44 | nvz | shannoun: imagine thats why I am surfing the web in the first place and then I come across flash applets looped music that wont stop, flashing text and movies.. thats totally not cool |
| 13:58.53 | Bombo | hi |
| 13:59.20 | abrotman | no reason it's not possible .. but yes .. evil |
| 13:59.29 | multi_io | you always get a different shell configuration when you login on the console than when you login on X |
| 13:59.32 | Bombo | i upgraded to etch and now my ntpdate is not working anymore: $ ntpdate pool.ntp.org -> 21 Oct 15:55:00 ntpdate[13995]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 13:59.36 | shannoun | i would think this is new wave. good commercial potential. imagine when u visit a corporation's website, you would be watching a video about the company. |
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| 14:00.19 | Bombo | do i need anything enabled in the kernel to get ntp to work? i compiled 2.6.17 mysewlf |
| 14:01.01 | abrotman | does it not work ? |
| 14:01.08 | multi_io | Bombo: no |
| 14:01.21 | multi_io | it's done in userspace |
| 14:01.22 | abrotman | are you using pool.ntp.org ? |
| 14:01.42 | multi_io | Bombo: well, you'll need TCP/IP of course ;) |
| 14:01.51 | Bombo | multi_io: ;) |
| 14:01.55 | abrotman | and udp iirc |
| 14:02.13 | multi_io | yep |
| 14:02.49 | Bombo | how about the rtc module |
| 14:02.55 | shannoun | nvz: must be quite tedious to use solely gimp for video editing. have you heard of cineralla or kdenlive? |
| 14:02.59 | multi_io | didn't know UDP was a seperate kernel config option |
| 14:03.09 | abrotman | !rtc |
| 14:03.09 | dpkg | well, rtc is Real Time Clock. This is necessary for SMP machines but quite useless for UP purposes (unless you read on how to use it). Disable RTC in the kernel if you get "clock skew detected" while building the kernel or anything which uses 'make'. |
| 14:03.10 | Bombo | /lib/modules/2.6.17/kernel/drivers/char/genrtc.ko or /lib/modules/2.6.17/kernel/drivers/char/rtc.ko |
| 14:03.40 | Bombo | ok its not loaded |
| 14:03.54 | Bombo | it is a single cpu pentium 100 ;) |
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| 14:04.42 | Bombo | $ ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 14:04.42 | Bombo | 21 Oct 16:09:42 ntpdate[14097]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 14:04.55 | duPOLL | heya. i've run into some nasty dpkg problems which i can't seem to resolve. is there some way to just pretend to dpkg that a certain package isn't installed? |
| 14:05.02 | duPOLL | (without actually using dpkg to remove it..) |
| 14:05.43 | Bombo | 21 Oct 16:10:18 ntpdate[14100]: ntpdate 4.2.2@1.1532-o Mon Oct 2 17:50:09 UTC 2006 (1) |
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| 14:06.50 | Charminthemoose | why is there a deb-src in my sources.list? |
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| 14:06.54 | liable | duPOLL: editing /var/lib/dpkg/status (big fat warning, this is a bad way to fix a dpkg problem, and can break dpkg completely) |
| 14:06.57 | Charminthemoose | does it do something? |
| 14:06.58 | abrotman | if you want source packages |
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| 14:07.12 | abrotman | if you need to build a package from source .. it uses that line |
| 14:07.14 | Charminthemoose | and how do i get source packages? |
| 14:07.24 | duPOLL | cheers, liable |
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| 14:07.43 | wols | Charminthemoose: man apt-get |
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| 14:08.08 | abrotman | !source |
| 14:08.08 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 14:08.11 | zerny | hello pelzi_ |
| 14:08.39 | pelzi_ | hi |
| 14:08.43 | zerny | pelzi_: I managed to restore my computer so it now boots again. |
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| 14:09.15 | zerny | pelzi_: I booted from usb, made a chroot and did an update-initramfs |
| 14:09.16 | Bombo | strace shows me some of these: poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}], 2, 60000) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system call) |
| 14:09.23 | zerny | after that it booted |
| 14:09.31 | Bombo | does that mean anything? |
| 14:09.40 | zerny | have you restarted yours yet? |
| 14:09.52 | pelzi_ | ok... god |
| 14:09.52 | pelzi_ | ok...nope. |
| 14:10.06 | pelzi_ | and I won't until I do an upgrade |
| 14:10.19 | pelzi_ | (damn gprs...) |
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| 14:10.26 | zerny | sorry I was on my friends pc yesterday, his name was jack164 I think |
| 14:10.47 | AnyFile | why are user home directories created by useradd are readeble and executeble by world? Isn't that a security problem? |
| 14:11.00 | zerny | I also managed to boot the system after getting into the initramfs shell under boot |
| 14:11.04 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 14:11.13 | pelzi_ | and it can be changed. |
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| 14:11.36 | grum | how do i get iwconfig?? |
| 14:11.49 | pelzi_ | secrets should not be kept world-readable in homes |
| 14:11.54 | wols | !tell grum about search |
| 14:11.56 | pelzi_ | install it |
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| 14:12.04 | liable | grum: wireless-tools package |
| 14:12.13 | AnyFile | and is there a way I can change the behaviour of useradd? |
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| 14:12.25 | grum | i don't have internett |
| 14:12.44 | abrotman | AnyFile: it's a script |
| 14:12.47 | pelzi_ | then how are you ircing |
| 14:12.50 | grum | windows |
| 14:12.51 | Bombo | is there a similar tool that sets the time via ntp? |
| 14:13.04 | wols | ntpdate |
| 14:13.06 | abrotman | yeah .. ntpdate |
| 14:13.18 | Bombo | i mean another one |
| 14:13.21 | abrotman | wols: are you using gnome ? |
| 14:13.26 | multi_io | Bombo: chrony |
| 14:13.31 | abrotman | Bombo: you can set it manually |
| 14:13.57 | Bombo | is this the only one? my ntpdate seems to be not working for some reason |
| 14:14.04 | valdyn | AnyFile: dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
| 14:14.08 | abrotman | your clock might be too far off |
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| 14:14.11 | wols | abrotman: no. the beginning kde cvs stood 25km away from me. they had a radar which detects all gnome activity around here and send search and destry missions |
| 14:14.26 | Bombo | multi_io: ok i'll try that |
| 14:14.37 | abrotman | wols: hehe .. okay |
| 14:14.41 | abrotman | oh wait .. i think valdyn does! |
| 14:14.52 | multi_io | Bombo: it's a daemon that adjusts your clock continuously |
| 14:14.55 | Bombo | abrotman: how much is too far? |
| 14:15.02 | multi_io | dunno if that's what you want |
| 14:15.05 | abrotman | Bombo: more than five minutes or so ? |
| 14:15.10 | abrotman | Bombo: i don't honestly remember |
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| 14:15.21 | wols | abrotman: iirc it can deal with hours |
| 14:15.33 | abrotman | it can .. but you have to give an option |
| 14:15.40 | abrotman | it can do years :) |
| 14:15.41 | Bombo | abrotman: i set it to +1 minute but ntpdate reports the same message |
| 14:15.51 | abrotman | using pool.ntp.org ? |
| 14:16.17 | Bombo | 16:10 <Bombo> $ ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 14:16.21 | Bombo | 16:10 <Bombo> 21 Oct 16:09:42 ntpdate[14097]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
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| 14:16.34 | abrotman | try a verbose mode ? |
| 14:16.40 | wols | Bombo: do it again. have seen that before and after retrying it worked |
| 14:16.46 | wols | I think pool.ntp.org has issues |
| 14:17.13 | valdyn | works fine from ehre |
| 14:17.16 | Bushmills | probably the picked server (is round robin) had problems now |
| 14:17.18 | valdyn | here! |
| 14:17.22 | CaT[tm] | resolves fine here |
| 14:17.38 | multi_io | yeah, works here as well |
| 14:17.45 | Bombo | wols: i tried ~10 times now, and with time.fu-berlin.de too |
| 14:18.03 | valdyn | Bombo: you are firewalled? |
| 14:18.13 | Bombo | i got a winxp computer connected also, with a ntp tool, and that works |
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| 14:18.25 | nethenson | hello |
| 14:18.39 | Bushmills | Bombo: what does ntpq -c peers yourntpserver say (or loalhost, if on the same machine) |
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| 14:19.02 | Shadowcat | Bombo: so use time.windows.com |
| 14:19.03 | Bombo | valdyn: i'm using the same iptables rules as with woody, where it alsays worked |
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| 14:19.14 | Shadowcat | I know, not the most reliable source in the world, but it IS an ntp server |
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| 14:19.23 | Charminthemoose | question:why does aptitude want to remove a lotta of libs and Xwindows but apt-get doesn't want to? |
| 14:19.24 | Bombo | Shadowcat: no i use time.fu-berlin.de on the win |
| 14:19.33 | Shadowcat | try time.windows.com |
| 14:19.33 | Charminthemoose | i'm trying to install parted |
| 14:19.44 | Shadowcat | or you'll need to google up another list |
| 14:19.47 | valdyn | !xwindows |
| 14:19.48 | dpkg | X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 14:20.20 | Charminthemoose | fine |
| 14:20.20 | Charminthemoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.40 | multi_io | Bombo: Windows uses the time protocol (TCP/37 iirc) |
| 14:20.45 | Charminthemoose | when i try to install parted? |
| 14:20.56 | multi_io | NTP is UDP/123 |
| 14:21.45 | Bombo | multi_io: i got a ntp tool for win |
| 14:22.03 | Charminthemoose | sorry |
| 14:22.11 | Charminthemoose | i misread everything wrongly |
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| 14:22.18 | Bombo | atomic timesync |
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| 14:22.46 | robertodeby | a quanluno è mai capitato che kcmshell non riconosce la password id root? |
| 14:22.51 | abrotman | !it |
| 14:22.52 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 14:23.18 | Charminthemoose | yeah,aptittude complains it wants to remove a bunch of libs saying that they're unused and will be removed.SHould i worry about this? |
| 14:23.33 | robertodeby | kcmshell it does not recognize the password of root. help |
| 14:24.07 | liable | Charminthemoose: purge aptitude with apt-get, then re-install it, then use aptitude |
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| 14:24.36 | liable | Charminthemoose: use one or the other, dont use them both, toherwise you can get this problem |
| 14:24.38 | multi_io | Bombo: ok. the strace output should contain some recvfrom lines if it worked |
| 14:25.10 | wrabbit^ | is 7gb enough for a / partition? I guess it all depends on what I'll be using the machine for |
| 14:25.11 | Charminthemoose | oh. |
| 14:25.20 | robertodeby | kcmshell it does not recognize the password of root. help!!! |
| 14:25.27 | robertodeby | bugs? |
| 14:25.30 | liable | robertodeby: theres been a few complaints about kde and root passwords here today, sounds like a bug, but i dunno which package to check in the bts |
| 14:25.50 | abrotman | today? .. for the lsat week |
| 14:25.56 | abrotman | try #debian-kde |
| 14:26.17 | RichiH | is there any ITP for beryl? |
| 14:26.26 | liable | abrotman: well, yeah. thought someone might know the offending package by now |
| 14:26.39 | liable | robertodeby: yeah, its in svn, but wont be in etch |
| 14:26.43 | liable | RichiH: ^^ |
| 14:26.54 | RichiH | liable: i run sid, so.. ;) |
| 14:27.00 | liable | RichiH: check the xsf svn |
| 14:27.08 | RichiH | liable: i can't see it on experimental, though |
| 14:27.12 | robertodeby | solution? |
| 14:27.13 | RichiH | xsf? |
| 14:27.23 | liable | RichiH: x-srike-force |
| 14:27.26 | liable | strike |
| 14:27.43 | robertodeby | i'm italian.... |
| 14:27.43 | RichiH | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/20/1932241 |
| 14:27.51 | Bombo | multi_io: recvfrom(3, "\f7\201\200\0\1\0\r\0\5\0\4\4pool\3ntp\3org\0\0\1\0\1\300"..., 1024, 0, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53), sin |
| 14:27.54 | Bombo | _addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, [16]) = 460 |
| 14:27.56 | RichiH | robertodeby: i'm german |
| 14:28.06 | RichiH | robertodeby: solution is when you solve a problem |
| 14:28.14 | liable | haha |
| 14:28.15 | RichiH | liable: ah, thanks |
| 14:28.18 | abrotman | RichiH: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=388701 |
| 14:28.24 | robertodeby | solution ? kcmshell it does not recognize the password of root. |
| 14:28.31 | multi_io | Bombo: that's the DNS lookup |
| 14:28.43 | Bombo | multi_io: but nothing from the ntp servers... lots of ips to connect |
| 14:28.51 | multi_io | Bombo: looks like this here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4148 |
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| 14:29.10 | RichiH | The Beryl Project brings 3D desktop visual effects that improve usability of |
| 14:29.11 | RichiH | the X Window System and provide increased productivity though plugins and themes |
| 14:29.11 | RichiH | contributed by the community giving a rich desktop experience. |
| 14:29.15 | RichiH | usability? |
| 14:29.18 | RichiH | productivity? |
| 14:29.28 | Bombo | open("/var/lib/misc/services.db", O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 14:29.37 | Bombo | is this needed? |
| 14:29.39 | RichiH | i have seen 13 people stand around a single laptop for 30 minutes going aaahh and ooohh |
| 14:29.46 | RichiH | how is that being productive? ;) |
| 14:29.53 | dvs | RichiH: only when it's on fire. ;-) |
| 14:29.59 | eknar | Can someone explain the difference between "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 14:30.09 | abrotman | RichiH: your manager leaves you alone to do your work while he stares at the OOOH SHINY! |
| 14:30.27 | abrotman | eknar: the man page explains this |
| 14:30.30 | abrotman | !dist-upgrade |
| 14:30.30 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
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| 14:30.36 | dvs | eknar: apt-get upgrade will NOT install or remove NEW packages |
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| 14:31.30 | multi_io | Bombo: do you see a sendto call with sin_port=htons(123) ? |
| 14:31.31 | RichiH | abrotman: heh, true |
| 14:31.39 | RichiH | abrotman: it _is_ shiny though |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 14:32.41 | Clinton__ | Good morning, how do I enable amarok to play .pls streams? |
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| 14:33.03 | eknar | Now I feel like an idiot. I just read the man page for apt-get before I asked but apparently it didn't sink in. Thanks for the help. |
| 14:33.27 | liable | eknar: bet you dont forget now though :) |
| 14:33.37 | Charminthemoose | how do i find out what is using /mnt/hda1? |
| 14:33.48 | eknar | liable: Heh. You got that right. :) |
| 14:33.48 | dvs | Charminthemoose: df |
| 14:33.53 | pelzi_ | lsof |
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| 14:34.05 | Charminthemoose | no,what process is using it |
| 14:34.29 | liable | fuser /dev/foo |
| 14:34.39 | liable | lsof should say too |
| 14:34.50 | Konfuzen | I need to set up my linux box as a client to print through windows print sharing ( a windows machine :( ), anyone know what is the best tool, if any, for the job? |
| 14:35.08 | pelzi_ | samba |
| 14:35.16 | abrotman | smbprint |
| 14:35.17 | pelzi_ | iirc smbprint |
| 14:35.20 | Bombo | multi_io: yes, and right after it EINTR (Interrupted system call) |
| 14:35.32 | liable | Konfuzen: unfortunately, samba, but if its an ipp printer, then cups can do it |
| 14:35.43 | Bombo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4149 |
| 14:35.43 | Konfuzen | thanks |
| 14:35.52 | Bombo | multi_io: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4149 |
| 14:36.02 | liable | or have i got it the wrong way round..?? |
| 14:36.36 | Charminthemoose | thanks liable |
| 14:36.45 | pelzi_ | does windows support ipp... |
| 14:37.25 | Clinton__ | Good morning, how do I enable amarok to play .pls streams? |
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| 14:38.10 | liable | pelzi_: i am prolly confused, just remember looking into networked printers with debian and linux boxes.. |
| 14:39.03 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 14:39.40 | liable | i am sure windows boxen can print to an ipp printer though |
| 14:39.51 | multi_io | Bombo: looks it's running into a timeout waiting for the answer packet to arrive |
| 14:39.54 | wrabbit^ | liable: thanks for the help before. Seems to have detected my dhcp connection with no issues this time |
| 14:40.06 | liable | not sure about the windows boxen serving an ipp printer |
| 14:40.10 | liable | wrabbit^: cool |
| 14:40.26 | Bombo | multi_io: do you have betcat installed? ;) |
| 14:40.27 | pelzi_ | well of course, with an ipp driver. |
| 14:40.32 | Bombo | multi_io: netcat |
| 14:40.33 | liable | postscript |
| 14:40.36 | porkpie__ | guy's how do I set an interface to 100mb FD ....I am using the bnx2 driver ?? |
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| 14:41.13 | multi_io | Bombo: yes |
| 14:41.19 | peppet | porkpie__: take a look at ethtool or mii-tool |
| 14:41.19 | [GABRI] | Hi people. where is the file of konqueror what have a proxy config? |
| 14:41.43 | Bombo | multi_io: could you run netcat with -u -l -p 123 i'll try to connect to your ip, ok? |
| 14:42.34 | multi_io | ok, wait... |
| 14:42.43 | Bombo | oh a berliner ;) |
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| 14:43.01 | liable | is that a pastry? |
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| 14:43.57 | Bombo | is multi_io a pastry?= |
| 14:44.08 | Bombo | like john f. kennedy ;) |
| 14:44.43 | liable | i think its a cream filled bun, iirc :) |
| 14:44.43 | multi_io | Bombo: ok, IP is 85.178.91.160 |
| 14:45.09 | multi_io | yeah, ich bin ein Berliner :) |
| 14:45.37 | multi_io | "hallo?" received |
| 14:45.40 | wrabbit^ | Re: Netinstall ... During "Configuring Apt" it sits at 40% scanning the mirror. Does this usually take a while? |
| 14:45.51 | Bombo | multi_io: try to answer ;) |
| 14:45.59 | Firestarter_ | how does one format a usb drive in debian |
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| 14:46.07 | multi_io | ok |
| 14:46.12 | Bombo | so it works |
| 14:46.14 | dvs | wrabbit^: if it's more that 15 minutes, I'd reset the computer. |
| 14:46.23 | Bombo | means port 123/udp is working |
| 14:46.24 | [GABRI] | Hi people. where is the file of konqueror what have a proxy config? |
| 14:46.29 | wrabbit^ | dvs: only been 5 |
| 14:46.31 | liable | wrabbit^: shouldnt, doesnt it give an oppurtunity to pick a mirror? |
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| 14:46.43 | liable | i wouldnt even wait 5 |
| 14:46.47 | wrabbit^ | liable: yep, it did. I chose the au mirror |
| 14:46.50 | wrabbit^ | hmm |
| 14:46.52 | Bombo | i'm now trying chrony |
| 14:46.56 | wrabbit^ | I'll reset |
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| 14:47.27 | liable | wrabbit^: try the us one, i always pick the au one, then have to change it at some point due to the mirror being flakey |
| 14:47.34 | Bombo | erm does ntp need incoming port udp/123 also? |
| 14:47.56 | wrabbit^ | liable: yeah, my kanotix box was having trouble with the deb au mirror earlier |
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| 14:49.07 | Bombo | multi_io: my ip is 84.60.201.80 |
| 14:49.25 | wols | Bombo: no |
| 14:49.30 | wols | at least ntpdate doesn't |
| 14:49.42 | pelzi_ | it does. |
| 14:49.51 | liable | [GABRI]: can you rephrase that? didnt make any sense to me :/ |
| 14:50.04 | pelzi_ | syncing time is a two-way process |
| 14:50.07 | wols | pelzi_: ntpd does, as a server |
| 14:50.13 | wols | ntpdate does not |
| 14:50.24 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 14:50.33 | liable | its like any client deal innit? |
| 14:50.50 | wols | why would a client need an incoming port? |
| 14:50.58 | pelzi_ | without incoming udp it will not work |
| 14:51.01 | wols | only shitty protcols like ftp do. not ntp |
| 14:51.04 | pelzi_ | because that is how udp works |
| 14:51.15 | pelzi_ | please rtfm before claiming that |
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| 14:51.44 | pelzi_ | with stateful firewalls you have "outgoing" ntp that also allows packets back, of course |
| 14:51.46 | Bombo | anyone pls say hello oon my ntp port (i got a listening netcat ;) |
| 14:51.59 | pelzi_ | that is still incoming ntp |
| 14:52.06 | liable | good, i was just going to try and clarify that exact point |
| 14:53.04 | multi_io | udp is connectionless, you it'll need to listen on 123 |
| 14:53.26 | liable | i love it when oo gets upgraded, gaurenteed at least 60M download :/ |
| 14:53.36 | multi_io | ...if it wants to receive data as well, not just send |
| 14:53.48 | multi_io | and that's true for an NTP client |
| 14:54.16 | wrabbit^ | dammit. resetting again. |
| 14:54.17 | multi_io | Bombo: I did netcat -u 84.60.201.80 123 and said hello |
| 14:54.39 | pelzi_ | I love it when anyone starts oo, it's slow :P |
| 14:54.47 | Bombo | multi_io: hmmm so incoming is firewalled, i did not see that |
| 14:54.59 | liable | it is, its a slow piece of crap |
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| 14:55.14 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 14:55.42 | Bombo | what does that mean not should i accept incoming connections on udp/123 on my firewall or not |
| 14:55.44 | liable | but at least it doesnt pretend its checking for viruses :) |
| 14:56.19 | liable | i havent had to touch my firewall to get ntp to work |
| 14:56.36 | Bombo | multi_io: pls say hello again now |
| 14:56.40 | liable | but, i dont understand the workings of udp.. |
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| 14:57.04 | pelzi_ | it's simple as hell |
| 14:57.28 | liable | so am i.. |
| 14:57.32 | pelzi_ | tcp is complicated. |
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| 14:58.56 | multi_io | Bombo: wait, I'll run wireshark as well :) |
| 14:59.09 | wrabbit^ | this isn't working. :( |
| 15:00.08 | liable | wrabbit^: hangs on the server? |
| 15:00.55 | wrabbit^ | yep. Keeps scanning the mirror. Should I just install the minimum base cd install and get apt up and running when it's done? |
| 15:01.20 | liable | wrabbit^: ya, disconnect the net, install base and try after reboot |
| 15:01.32 | wrabbit^ | ok |
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| 15:01.57 | multi_io | Bombo: hello said |
| 15:02.18 | Bombo | multi_io: hello received |
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| 15:08.21 | paylo | Free unreleased exe packer (NO VIRUS SCANNER DETECTS IT YET) @ http://www.vertex-hosting.net/?x=../index |
| 15:08.21 | paylo | XD |
| 15:08.24 | paylo | check it :) |
| 15:09.06 | liable | paylo: go away with your spam |
| 15:09.21 | amphi | who cares about exe packers? |
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| 15:09.33 | wols | trojan and worm writers |
| 15:09.36 | liable | certainly not the irc cops :) |
| 15:09.41 | wols | like paylo |
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| 15:10.30 | wrabbit^ | liable: I'm in cli. Base is installed. I'm in sources.list atm. Should I add a specific mirror? |
| 15:10.40 | Shadowcat | what's the point of spamming windows viruses in a Linux channel? |
| 15:10.41 | wols | damn. this site sucks. it tries to crash my ffox and fails |
| 15:10.53 | liable | wrabbit^: just leave it at ftp.debian.org |
| 15:10.57 | wols | it's not a virus. it's a site which is designed to crash the browser |
| 15:10.58 | Shadowcat | wols: and you just proved my point |
| 15:11.02 | wols | forkbomb like |
| 15:11.10 | diskus | Shadowcat: they think that Linux users are badass people and want to distribute windows viruses |
| 15:11.26 | Shadowcat | we're more likely to "own" them instead |
| 15:11.30 | Shadowcat | damn scriptkiddies |
| 15:11.34 | wrabbit^ | liable: the only one there are security.debian.org |
| 15:11.36 | wols | Shadowcat: the url looked supsicious so I wanted to know what it does. the x=.. part |
| 15:11.37 | wrabbit^ | is* |
| 15:11.39 | sdogi | tsk tsk |
| 15:12.05 | amphi | wrabbit^: you could use apt-setup |
| 15:12.17 | liable | wrabbit^: oh, add one for ftp.debian.org main contrib non-free (thats if you want contrib and non-free) |
| 15:12.23 | liable | amphi: not in etch |
| 15:12.29 | amphi | liable: ah |
| 15:12.39 | Shadowcat | well I survived an IE7 upgrade without hosing anything |
| 15:12.44 | Shadowcat | that's enough fun for me for one afternoon |
| 15:12.54 | Bombo | $ ntpdate time.fu-berlin.de |
| 15:12.55 | Bombo | 21 Oct 17:12:41 ntpdate[14745]: adjust time server 130.133.1.10 offset -0.145840 sec |
| 15:12.58 | Bombo | wow |
| 15:12.59 | liable | !pwn Shadowcat |
| 15:13.03 | liable | damn |
| 15:13.11 | Shadowcat | !beat liable |
| 15:13.14 | Bombo | is works now that i accepted incoming 123/udp |
| 15:13.36 | wols | Shadowcat: the only reason to update to it is if windowsupdate won't work without it |
| 15:13.52 | liable | which of course it wont very soon.. |
| 15:14.09 | Shadowcat | wols: no I gotta update about 40 clients to this thing |
| 15:14.18 | wols | poor Shadowcat. why? |
| 15:14.20 | Shadowcat | so I might as well break it thoroughly so I know what to expect |
| 15:14.21 | dvs | !pity Shadowcat |
| 15:14.21 | dpkg | I pity da fool Shadowcat! |
| 15:14.25 | Shadowcat | wols: because it's my job? |
| 15:14.36 | nethenson | I have just installed debian from a testing-CD, and i get strange letters: "Intalaci~A!n" instead of "Instalación" |
| 15:14.40 | wols | and why would you need IE7? |
| 15:14.43 | wrabbit^ | liable: sorry... pretty new to apt. Is it just "deb http://ftp.debian.org/ main contrib non-free"? Do I need to add a deb-src? |
| 15:14.49 | Shadowcat | IE7 is more secure than IE6 |
| 15:14.59 | dvs | heh |
| 15:15.05 | Shadowcat | so if I had a choice, I'd use IE7 |
| 15:15.08 | pelzi_ | who cares, ie is still surely not secure |
| 15:15.13 | liable | wrabbit^: yup that will do, no need for -src unless you want to build your own debs |
| 15:15.17 | wols | Shadowcat: it is new code, new code has exploits |
| 15:15.23 | Shadowcat | Microsoft as a whole isn't securable |
| 15:15.29 | Shadowcat | but that's a totally different discussion |
| 15:15.45 | dvs | wols: but they're different exploits so it'll take time to crack. ;-) |
| 15:15.49 | pelzi_ | yup |
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| 15:16.11 | pelzi_ | false sense of security, etc. |
| 15:16.15 | wols | Shadowcat: especially since they didn't even fix the OLD holes. |
| 15:16.21 | danilom | pgadmin is a gui to manage postgresql is it under debian?? |
| 15:16.23 | wols | see the "exploit" at its release date |
| 15:16.23 | liable | it was released yesterday, and the first exploit was recorded yesterday |
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| 15:16.45 | wrabbit^ | liable: 404 not found at ftp.debian.org. Ugh... not off to a good start :) Are there ports I need to forward on my router or something? |
| 15:16.47 | wols | liable: old exploit. since when would MS fix old bugs and exploits? |
| 15:16.55 | Shadowcat | wols: ya well.... it'll be an minimitesimal improvement |
| 15:17.13 | Shadowcat | and... I'll let the next guy worry about the next batch of exploits |
| 15:17.17 | Shadowcat | since this is a temp job |
| 15:17.27 | dvs | wrabbit^: works for me |
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| 15:18.01 | liable | wrabbit^: no port forwarding needed. can you ping google.com? |
| 15:18.42 | wrabbit^ | yep |
| 15:19.10 | liable | wrabbit^: can you ping ftp.debian.org? |
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| 15:20.10 | wrabbit^ | yep |
| 15:20.11 | wrabbit^ | : |
| 15:20.36 | liable | wrabbit^: hrm, paste your line from sources.list again |
| 15:21.11 | wrabbit^ | I added.... "deb http://ftp.debian.org/ main contrib non-free" |
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| 15:22.22 | w1w1t0m1 | hello, I use fluxbox, xterm and firefox; sometimes copying text by selecting it in xterm and then paste into firefox doesn't work at first trial ...any ideas? (I use it to copy links from centericq) |
| 15:22.23 | liable | wrabbit^: you missed the etch bit. add ftp.debian.org/ etch main.. |
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| 15:23.06 | liable | wrabbit^: i missed it in your first post too, sorry |
| 15:23.08 | wrabbit^ | liable: thanks mate |
| 15:23.10 | wrabbit^ | worked |
| 15:23.14 | wrabbit^ | hehe, np |
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| 15:23.24 | wrabbit^ | I should have figured that out |
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| 15:24.16 | wrabbit^ | kde, gnome or xfce? |
| 15:24.41 | liable | please yourself. you'll prolly use all 3 over time |
| 15:24.47 | wrabbit^ | most probably |
| 15:25.48 | danilom | who is the default user of psotgresql, im trying to access throught phppgadmin |
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| 15:31.58 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:31.58 | dpkg | * ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple |
| 15:32.33 | bronze_|| | ow. |
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| 15:37.36 | multi_io | write a wrapper script for apt-get? |
| 15:37.41 | multi_io | whoops |
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| 15:38.26 | multi_io | if I wanted to hook some code of mine into every downloading of a binary packet during an install/upgrade, where would I do this? |
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| 15:39.22 | liable | multi_io: i dont think i could tell you how, but what exactly do you mean by that? |
| 15:39.46 | multi_io | liable: I want to apt-build some packages on-the-fly as they're fetched |
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| 15:40.05 | cydork | multi_io, why not use apt-build directly? |
| 15:40.20 | multi_io | cydork: it's still too "manual" |
| 15:40.35 | liable | multi_io: but you cant really do that with an upgrade, getting the source is a different command, and then you need to use dpkg-buildpkg |
| 15:40.46 | multi_io | I'd like to automate this completely |
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| 15:41.09 | multi_io | liable: I'd run apt-build transparently for the client |
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| 15:41.28 | cydork | multi_io, apt-build is as easy as apt-get. it has simlar syntax and all.. |
| 15:41.48 | clinton | cydork: has apt-build improved? When I tried it a year ago things just didn't work |
| 15:41.55 | multi_io | i.e. you do apt-get install pkg, and the server/wrapper whatever builds the deb and returns it |
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| 15:42.04 | liable | multi_io: ok, lets get to the nuts and bolts, why do you like to do this? |
| 15:42.24 | liable | to rebuild with flags or something? |
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| 15:42.30 | cydork | multi_io, then just do apt-build install pkg, it will do that. But actally why do you wanna do that? |
| 15:42.40 | multi_io | cydork: it doesn't work if that package(s) you want to build are fetched automatically as you apt-get install something else |
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| 15:43.31 | cydork | multi_io, read the man apt-build. And another thing why do you wanna rebuild every package? |
| 15:43.41 | multi_io | i.e. I do apt-get install some-obscure-gnome-app, and it automatically builds the newest libgtk if one's available |
| 15:43.58 | multi_io | cydork: not every package, only specific ones |
| 15:44.42 | liable | multi_io: but if the source is available in the repo, then the binary is new too? i dont quite understand |
| 15:44.55 | multi_io | ones I'd like to have the corretc and current source code available at every instance automatically |
| 15:44.56 | cydork | multi_io, like? and why? |
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| 15:45.08 | multi_io | *instant |
| 15:45.37 | multi_io | because I develop against those packages, and it's nice to have the current source always available then |
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| 15:46.43 | cydork | multi_io, you use source? how?? |
| 15:46.43 | liable | but you dont need the source, just the -dev packages to develop/build against? |
| 15:47.12 | multi_io | I do need it, believe me |
| 15:47.34 | multi_io | for stepping through it in the debugger, cross-referencing it, etc. |
| 15:48.10 | multi_io | if you're seriously developing e.g. a GTK app, you'll need the GTK source sooner or later ;) |
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| 15:48.45 | multi_io | even the libc source is nice to have sometimes |
| 15:49.09 | liable | seeing as i never have, nor prolly ever will, i'll defer that problem to others.. :) |
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| 15:52.01 | multi_io | the source is the best documentation you can get |
| 15:52.06 | multi_io | :-P |
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| 15:56.23 | kakarot | can anybody help me with powernowd in a centrino laptop? |
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| 15:57.03 | wmealing_ | hey guys, I asked a while back, got some mixed answers, wondering how much love one can expect from debian etch on a macbook ? |
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| 15:57.24 | liable | kakarot: i lways founr the ondemand or recently the conservative governor to be the way to go (no daemon needed) |
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| 15:58.12 | liable | wmealing_: theres #debian-ppc (if its a ppc macbook) but theres a few here that run em |
| 15:58.31 | wols | there are no PPC macbooks |
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| 15:58.35 | wmealing_ | no, intel macbook. |
| 15:58.39 | kakarot | liable where cain i get a howto? |
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| 15:59.11 | liable | wols: oh, well, blow me down for being a mactard |
| 15:59.19 | wmealing_ | its ok |
| 15:59.21 | wmealing_ | stress less. |
| 15:59.49 | wmealing_ | liable, I'm interested in testing out edgy, but if I cant install it there is no point me blowing money on the download. |
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| 15:59.57 | liable | kakarot: no howto needed, echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 16:00.52 | liable | kakarot: s/ondemand/conservative/ if you have a newer kernel that has the conservative governor |
| 16:01.09 | wols | liable: stop your blasphemy or TheSteve will smite you |
| 16:01.11 | wols | :P |
| 16:01.42 | wols | wmealing_: there is no edgy in debian |
| 16:01.57 | wols | mayb you think of ubuntu? |
| 16:01.57 | craigevil | this isnt ubuntu |
| 16:02.06 | wmealing_ | oh |
| 16:02.07 | wmealing_ | sorry |
| 16:02.10 | wmealing_ | my mistake |
| 16:02.12 | liable | kakarot: however, you dont get quite the fine grained control thats available with daemons (i am led to believe) |
| 16:02.16 | wmealing_ | but, no .. I wont be running ubuntu |
| 16:02.22 | wmealing_ | I dont like their ideals. |
| 16:02.30 | liable | hah |
| 16:03.20 | liable | its normally the other way round :P |
| 16:03.29 | wmealing_ | not sure what you mean ? |
| 16:03.41 | wmealing_ | debian install binary kernel modules |
| 16:03.45 | wmealing_ | sorry |
| 16:03.52 | wmealing_ | UBUNTU install binary kernel modules |
| 16:03.56 | wmealing_ | (its late here) |
| 16:04.00 | liable | wmealing_: traditionally, us debian users are usually the zealots that people dont like our ideals :) |
| 16:04.11 | kakarot | liable in /var/devices/system/cpu/cpu0 i have only crash_notes and topology |
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| 16:04.36 | liable | kakarot: /var? i said /sys |
| 16:04.48 | wols | wmealing_: there are various binary modules for debian too. nvidia, ati, ndiswrapper... |
| 16:05.01 | wmealing_ | they dont ship with the default netinstall though |
| 16:05.13 | wmealing_ | if they do, I wont be using debian either. |
| 16:05.21 | liable | kakarot: you may need to modprobe speedstep-centrino (i *think* thats the module, also the ondemand module) |
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| 16:05.44 | VincentMX | hi |
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| 16:06.14 | VincentMX | hi |
| 16:06.52 | liable | wmealing_: you wont get anything in debian thats non-free, unless you install it yourself (either from packages or enabling non-free in sources) |
| 16:06.59 | wmealing_ | yeah, I wont be doing that |
| 16:07.09 | wmealing_ | one cant blame debian for third party package |
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| 16:07.11 | wmealing_ | packages |
| 16:07.45 | wmealing_ | but, I saw an ubuntu install on a friends machine and I saw a number of third party binary only modules installed on the default. |
| 16:08.09 | liable | yeah, they include a lot of stuff to make life easy for people |
| 16:08.15 | wmealing_ | not good enough |
| 16:08.24 | liable | so use debian.. |
| 16:08.27 | wmealing_ | I shall. |
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| 16:08.46 | wmealing_ | Fedora/Debian seem to be the only real 'Free' distros these days. |
| 16:08.50 | wmealing_ | maybe opensuse |
| 16:08.55 | wmealing_ | but i havn't had time to use that yet. |
| 16:08.58 | liable | i feel like i'm in a paralell universe when someone here has that attitude :) |
| 16:09.07 | wmealing_ | why is that ? |
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| 16:09.12 | Ronin | heh only real free distro? |
| 16:09.28 | Ronin | i know im hungover and all but pardon? |
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| 16:09.40 | wmealing_ | yeah, maybe I dont know what i'm talking about |
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| 16:09.41 | liable | wmealing_: because people only usually whine about stuff *not* being in the installer/distro |
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| 16:10.25 | liable | Ronin: free as in really free |
| 16:10.36 | wmealing_ | liable, Being a "reasonable" person, doesn't make things change.. Real change is made by the unreasonable man. |
| 16:10.40 | Mooi | Hell, how would I be able to use a shared printer over the network to print from this machine? I have a Windows machine that has a USB printer hooked up and the machine is connected to the network. My current machine (Debian) is on the same network. I've never done printing from GNU/Linux. How would I perform? |
| 16:10.40 | liable | i hate that analogy |
| 16:11.04 | wmealing_ | He makes the world change to him. |
| 16:11.06 | Mooi | Helo * |
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| 16:11.15 | wmealing_ | the path of least resistance would have us sitting in trees eating fruit still. |
| 16:11.19 | pelzi_ | printing on *nix is a bit painful, but see smbprint |
| 16:11.37 | Mooi | pelzi_: ok |
| 16:11.37 | wrabbit^ | alrighty.... I'm off to bed. Thanks again for the help liable. |
| 16:11.51 | liable | wrabbit^: np, gl |
| 16:12.16 | wrabbit^ | cheers. cya around :) |
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| 16:13.03 | wmealing_ | etch beta 3 is the most recent version ? |
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| 16:14.30 | liable | installer, yes |
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| 16:18.14 | wmealing_ | well, im off to try |
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| 16:21.10 | liable | omfg, MJ's thriller is on rage! |
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| 16:22.00 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | morning |
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| 16:22.37 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | Does anyone here know a great deal about BIOS device labels, booting, and GRUB? |
| 16:23.06 | itchi | Hello. In cfdisk, to make an ext3 partition, is it the code type 83? |
| 16:23.43 | liable | itchi: yeah, 82 or 83, cant remember (ones ext2/3 other swap iirc) |
| 16:24.01 | liable | itchi: cfdisk tells you though |
| 16:24.46 | itchi | liable: 82 looks to be are swap. But for 83 there is only noted 'Linux'. Not yet clear. There not talk about ext2 nor 3 |
| 16:25.08 | pelzi_ | of course not... |
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| 16:25.26 | pelzi_ | partition type != fs type |
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| 16:25.33 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I'm trying to get my computer to boot off of my USB drive. the USB drive is detected by the system. I was able to install debian on the USB drive, and I put grub on the MBR of hd0. For some reason the bootloader can't find my USB drive on bootup, any ideas? |
| 16:25.47 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I'm getting grub error 21 |
| 16:25.48 | Mooi | how can I use a windows printer through a network with debian? |
| 16:25.55 | itchi | pelzi_: So it's been 83 then? |
| 16:26.17 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 16:26.27 | itchi | Okay, thanks |
| 16:26.40 | liable | itchi: yes, choose 83 then |
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| 16:27.23 | itchi | Partition created. Now less /proc/partitions, but he not show me about it. Is there another place to look too? |
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| 16:29.04 | itchi | I guess i need to format these first before?? |
| 16:29.20 | h00t | can someone help me ... what's the name of that file you have to edit that mounts all the partitions at boot and where is it |
| 16:29.31 | itchi | h00t: /etc/fstab |
| 16:29.45 | Greek-Boy | I'm trying to create a SOFT raid 1 in the debian installer but I dont know if what I'm doing is right. I created a primary parition on each drive as RAID Volume and then created by root and swap partition on the raid which appears afterward but it fails for some reason. |
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| 16:30.39 | itchi | Are there some tools to format an partition included in the base install? |
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| 16:31.17 | multi_io | Mooi: cups supports it |
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| 16:31.51 | pelzi_ | as does smbprint |
| 16:32.09 | cahoot | multi_io: cups support printing to win? |
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| 16:32.11 | multi_io | Mooi: install cupsys, browse to http://localhost:631 and set up a new printer with Device-URI smb://user:password@domain/windowsserver:139/printer_name |
| 16:32.21 | cahoot | I see |
| 16:32.26 | multi_io | cahoot: yes, via the appropriate backend |
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| 16:32.46 | syntaxx | whats the package for Net::SSLeay? |
| 16:32.54 | x_link | I don't get this. |
| 16:32.58 | Fish-Face | Hi, I'm having extreme trouble starting a second X server on 0:1 |
| 16:33.08 | x_link | I messed up my Debian yesterday so that I had to re-install ( i'm a newbie) |
| 16:33.19 | x_link | and now then I want to re-install it, I can't. |
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| 16:33.30 | Fish-Face | I'm doing kdesu "xinit -- :1" but then I get no xterm |
| 16:33.32 | x_link | when I come to partitioning hard drive. |
| 16:33.49 | Fish-Face | Apparently this is something to do with xauth |
| 16:33.59 | multi_io | syntaxx: apt-file search Net/SSLeay says it's libnet-ssleay-perl |
| 16:34.11 | x_link | There I can choose between, Guided Partitioning, Help about partitioning, regreet changes on partitions, Finish partition and write changes to the hard drive. |
| 16:34.11 | Fish-Face | So how do I configure xauth to let me start a second X server with programs on it |
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| 16:34.16 | ed_ | can anyone tell me how to set the foreground colour in my console terminals to green? |
| 16:34.17 | x_link | Which one should I choose there ? |
| 16:34.41 | kakarot_ | in my /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0 there are only crash_notes and topology, what can i get the rest of things that must be in there ? |
| 16:34.59 | x_link | Cause when I choose Finish partition and write changes to the hard drivem then it goes back to the partition window and it does the partitioning again ( what I think ) |
| 16:35.02 | pelzi_ | for example what |
| 16:35.06 | x_link | Can somebody PLEASE help me, I really need help. |
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| 16:35.48 | h00t | itchi ... thanx man |
| 16:36.02 | x_link | Anybody ? Please. |
| 16:36.55 | techno-powaz | . |
| 16:37.29 | enouf | [5D]Silent_Chaos: syslinux maybe? http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 16:37.37 | liable | x_link: wyour setting up raid with the partitioner? |
| 16:37.47 | Charminthemoose | x_link,what you do then is go back to the main menu and select the option after partiton harddrive |
| 16:37.47 | x_link | l0wkey? |
| 16:37.52 | enouf | x_link: take a chill pill .. simmer down .. easy ;-) |
| 16:37.58 | k31th | Jesus my mysqldb is to old. how can i upgrade it if deb has not. |
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| 16:38.19 | x_link | enouf: No I can't chill, I'm really upset. |
| 16:38.27 | k31th | MySQL v4.1.11 needed is 4.1.16 + |
| 16:38.42 | x_link | Charminthemoose: okey, You're sure that it will work ? |
| 16:38.44 | liable | x_link: first, delete the old partitions |
| 16:38.49 | Mooi | thanks multi_io, didn tsee the message :/ |
| 16:38.55 | liable | x_link: then chose guided partioning |
| 16:38.57 | h00t | if i have a XP file system which is fat ... what is its type in fstab ... is it "vfat" or "fat32" |
| 16:39.08 | x_link | Okey |
| 16:39.12 | amphi | h00t: vfat |
| 16:39.15 | x_link | Anything else I should think of ? |
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| 16:39.28 | x_link | liable: where/when should I delete that ? |
| 16:39.33 | enouf | Greek-Boy: d/l the mdraid pkg and look through those docs - or search online for rootraid97doc.html or somesuch |
| 16:39.35 | liable | x_link: just keep playing with it, you got nothing to lose :) |
| 16:39.47 | enouf | [5D]Silent_Chaos: also note http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-usb |
| 16:39.54 | itchi | h00t: Your type of fat fs, is it 16 or 32? |
| 16:40.01 | liable | x_link: just dlete the partitions you dont want, and tell it to partition the free space |
| 16:40.09 | h00t | i'd assume that xp has fat32 |
| 16:40.16 | x_link | Okey. |
| 16:40.19 | itchi | h00t: Maybe NTFS? |
| 16:40.21 | x_link | I will try again. |
| 16:40.32 | x_link | liable: I'm a new newbie =) |
| 16:40.33 | pelzi_ | he said "fat" |
| 16:40.34 | h00t | it's definately not ntfs |
| 16:40.40 | x_link | I'm really lame when it comes to Linux. |
| 16:40.43 | x_link | But I will try that now. |
| 16:40.46 | x_link | Thanks ALOT |
| 16:40.47 | itchi | h00t: It's important that you know which one you exactly have |
| 16:40.47 | x_link | brb |
| 16:40.47 | h00t | don't worry i'm not that dumb |
| 16:40.53 | h00t | haha |
| 16:40.58 | itchi | h00t: try to look with cfdisk? |
| 16:41.13 | pelzi_ | eh? |
| 16:41.30 | enouf | Greek-Boy: it's called rootraiddoc.97.html |
| 16:41.46 | h00t | trust me it's fat i made it like that to avoid any problems w/ writing ... but it would be interesting to see how cfdisk works ... can you show my syntax |
| 16:41.49 | Greek-Boy | thanks enouf :) |
| 16:42.03 | enouf | Greek-Boy: no prob |
| 16:42.30 | amphi | h00t: file -s /dev/whatever might tell you |
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| 16:43.54 | h00t | should i put anything in the options or dump or pass columns in fstab |
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| 16:44.08 | pelzi_ | zeroes |
| 16:44.14 | enouf | h00t: if it's an OEM partition (diagnostic, or recovery image) .. possibly it's a Fat16 .. but that shouldn't matter = why? anyway? |
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| 16:44.34 | AhmetAK | hi |
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| 16:44.57 | aubergine | Hello |
| 16:45.10 | aubergine | How can i check whitch SATA Controller my System has? |
| 16:45.16 | blondie | lspci? |
| 16:45.19 | Clinton__ | lspci |
| 16:45.27 | enouf | h00t: ok .. you're tring to create your /etc/fstab entries |
| 16:45.41 | blondie | e.g. 0000:01:0d.0 Mass storage controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) |
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| 16:46.08 | aubergine | ok cool tanx |
| 16:46.18 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 16:46.18 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have |
| 16:46.57 | Mooi | ok |
| 16:47.08 | enouf | h00t: so .. you want to see my win98 line in /etc/fstab? use 'vfat' for a fat32 partition |
| 16:47.35 | Mooi | multi_io: I am trying to print a test page through cups web interface. but it simply prints many blank pages, is that how it is supposed to be? :/ |
| 16:47.38 | k31th | MySQL v4.1.11 needed is 4.1.16 + // is there any way of doing this I dont really want to migrate to mysql5 incase it fubars some thing ? |
| 16:48.05 | multi_io | Mooi: prolly not :) |
| 16:48.19 | Mooi | multi_io: so what would I do now ? ;) |
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| 16:48.36 | Mooi | my printer is Epson R200 |
| 16:48.37 | multi_io | maybe you've chosen a wrong driver in the web interface? |
| 16:48.38 | enouf | abrotman: maybe add lshal and pcmciautils for etch to that list? I can't the perl syntax correct :-p |
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| 16:49.13 | Mooi | hm |
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| 16:49.17 | Mooi | will do that for a third time |
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| 16:49.37 | Mooi | I have "Make and Model: EPSON New Stylus Photo Series CUPS v1.2". |
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| 16:50.26 | enouf | !tell Mooi about cups |
| 16:50.37 | Mooi | device: "Windows printer via SAMBA"; Device URI: "smb://10.0.0.4/draxx"; Make: "EPSON"; Driver: "EPSON New Stylus Photo Series CUPS v1.2 (en)" |
| 16:51.23 | av16ar | hello everybody |
| 16:51.23 | Pons | guys, does any of you know about a repository where I can find firefox 2 beta 2 |
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| 16:51.37 | Mooi | hm works, I changed from "EPSON New... to "EPSON ... |
| 16:51.41 | Mooi | thank you multi_io ;) |
| 16:51.51 | multi_io | great :) |
| 16:51.53 | protex | How is the speed of debian compared to, say Gentoo or Arch? |
| 16:52.03 | av16ar | by the way, about Firefox |
| 16:52.07 | av16ar | another question |
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| 16:52.25 | k31th | protex: quicker as it takes less than a day to install |
| 16:52.26 | PF | Todays laptops should be called "Hottops" :) |
| 16:52.30 | av16ar | does anybody know Google Browser Sync ? |
| 16:52.33 | Twistedemo | Anyone have any recommendations on a REALLY good router? And I mean something with AMAZING range? |
| 16:52.39 | protex | k31th: And once installed? |
| 16:52.42 | wols | !anyone |
| 16:52.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 16:52.46 | enouf | !iceweasel |
| 16:52.47 | dpkg | somebody said iceweasel was due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 16:52.50 | Twistedemo | I keep hearing about the belkin pre n router... |
| 16:52.58 | protex | k31th: I've tried Ubuntu awhile back and that was quite slow, and I know it's based on Debian... |
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| 16:53.04 | pelzi_ | how can a router have range... |
| 16:53.05 | enouf | Twistedemo: I'm sure the NSA has some good shit.. |
| 16:53.16 | multi_io | Twistedemo: you mean a *Wireless* router by any chance? |
| 16:53.16 | Twistedemo | wols, I think this situation was a little different |
| 16:53.18 | PF | Twistedemo: What was that again? |
| 16:53.25 | Twistedemo | Wireless router I mean |
| 16:53.26 | Mooi | nice colour wheel :) |
| 16:53.26 | wols | enouf: piffle. NASA is were its at! |
| 16:53.30 | pelzi_ | the ancient Orinocos still kick ass |
| 16:53.54 | k31th | protex: use gentoo if "you" think its faster I find debian better to manage / update / upgrade |
| 16:54.00 | wols | Twistedemo: true. you asked totally offtopic questions for #debian. so it's even worse |
| 16:54.08 | PF | heh |
| 16:54.21 | mistermocha | !postfix |
| 16:54.21 | dpkg | [postfix] a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix |
| 16:54.23 | pelzi_ | besides, a proper commercial AP with an antenna instead of plastic will kick consumer APs' ass |
| 16:54.25 | k31th | Compileing a whole os from source optimised will most likely be faster than pre compile binaryd |
| 16:54.25 | enouf | wols: not NASA .. the !PeeperJeepers == NSA :-p |
| 16:54.30 | protex | k31th: Yeah, I personally cannot afford the time Gentoo requires of me anymore, so I need to change but I don't want to feel a DRASTIC decline in performance... |
| 16:54.38 | Twistedemo | wols, true.. I idle in here.. figured might as well do some idle chatting too. |
| 16:54.39 | av16ar | well.. I would like to know if some of you know a free software equivalent of Google Browser Sync |
| 16:54.50 | k31th | protex: what are you using the box for? |
| 16:54.53 | Greek-Boy | So there is no way to use Intel SATA raid on debian? |
| 16:54.55 | wols | enouf: unless there are really aliens, the NSA won't listen into space: no one to spy on |
| 16:55.07 | protex | k31th: Games, Movies, Music, Office stuff. |
| 16:55.10 | wols | !fakeraid |
| 16:55.11 | dpkg | Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these got only a bios ... if you use thiem with debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and just use regular software raid. |
| 16:55.28 | enouf | wols: that's what GoogleEarth is for .. and guess who can obtain their records :-p |
| 16:55.48 | k31th | protex: ok i personally use ubuntu, gentoo for that... |
| 16:55.49 | Twistedemo | abrotman, you awake? |
| 16:56.01 | k31th | Debian on my servers. |
| 16:56.13 | protex | k31th: Aye I recall Ubuntu being horribly slow. |
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| 16:56.38 | enouf | Greek-Boy: /msg dpkg raid (and raid5) .. but no .. not true hardware raid using that controller |
| 16:56.54 | Charminthemoose | protex:Wouldn't that depend on your computer specs? |
| 16:56.58 | Twistedemo | deacat_ call me when you wakeup |
| 16:57.02 | k31th | I think its fine, are you sure your not telling yourself its slower as it did not take you a whole weekend to get x installed and working ? |
| 16:57.25 | protex | k31th; I could be falling victim to a Placebo effect... |
| 16:57.30 | protex | Charminthemoose: Not sure =) |
| 16:57.31 | wols | k31th: the desktop stuff slows it down usually. or he lacked memory |
| 16:57.42 | wols | at least it makes it appear slow |
| 16:57.57 | k31th | Placebo ? |
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| 16:58.08 | protex | k31th: Erm, 'fake' |
| 16:58.08 | liable | yes please |
| 16:58.18 | enouf | k31th: yes ...sugar pill! pseudo |
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| 16:58.34 | pelzi_ | fake drug |
| 16:58.39 | k31th | I see. |
| 16:58.45 | enouf | slaps k31th with a protazoan placebo :-p |
| 16:58.55 | pelzi_ | the worse placebo tastes, the better the person feels |
| 16:59.00 | k31th | Oh well I use ubuntu and debian these days. cba with gentoo. |
| 16:59.07 | k31th | choice is yours protex |
| 16:59.32 | protex | k31th: Indeed, I need a system setup today, so gentoo is out of questions =P. |
| 16:59.43 | protex | k31th: After today I won't have time to reinstall again so it's a tough decision. |
| 17:00.15 | k31th | Does anyone have any ideas how I can get my sarge install to run mysql 4.16 (currently its 4.11). ?????? |
| 17:00.32 | pelzi_ | backports |
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| 17:00.43 | k31th | protex: debian based distros can upgrade from majour release to the next |
| 17:00.46 | Clinton__ | k31th: you might be able to backport it |
| 17:00.48 | enouf | k31th: ooops .. I see it's protex who needs the troutsmite |
| 17:00.54 | wols | or getting 4.16 source and mating it with the debian package debian files |
| 17:01.03 | protex | k31th: Without OS reinstall? |
| 17:01.06 | enouf | k31th: you could d/l the source and compile yourself I guess |
| 17:01.07 | k31th | wols: thats an option. |
| 17:01.16 | k31th | protex: yes. |
| 17:01.32 | k31th | enouf: blah :p |
| 17:01.36 | protex | Debian has a huge repo as well, which is inviting... |
| 17:02.04 | enouf | ~love protex |
| 17:02.06 | apt | If you love protex so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 17:02.08 | k31th | ahhhhh bloody mysql |
| 17:02.14 | protex | lol |
| 17:02.18 | enouf | @love protex |
| 17:02.22 | protex | I'm an 'it' >< |
| 17:02.34 | enouf | protex: see ..even the BOTs are inviting :-p |
| 17:02.46 | protex | haha |
| 17:02.53 | protex | Well what's biggest diff between Deb and Ubu? |
| 17:03.03 | infernix | is there a way to show which processes use the most disk i/o? i know of iostat but I'm thinking more of something like 'top' but for disk i/o instead of cpu/mem usage. |
| 17:03.06 | jelly-home | protex: the goals |
| 17:03.14 | pelzi_ | deb doesn't suck. |
| 17:03.21 | k31th | God dammit moodle needs version 4.16 i have 4.11 painfull! |
| 17:03.44 | Clinton__ | k31th: I read that as "God damnit mode" :) |
| 17:03.54 | k31th | protex: ubuntu is easier |
| 17:03.57 | jelly-home | infernix: not easily. :-| |
| 17:04.03 | k31th | if you want a desktop machine imo. |
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| 17:04.07 | protex | k31th: I see. |
| 17:04.13 | enouf | how the heck did 1 ~ call both raven and apt? .. glitch in the matrix? .. deja vu? |
| 17:04.14 | Rhizome | Depends what easier means ;) |
| 17:04.18 | k31th | if you want a more custom aproach go with debian. |
| 17:04.22 | k31th | Yes it all depends. |
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| 17:04.26 | pelzi_ | imo ubuntu is not easier. |
| 17:04.31 | k31th | I dont want to start a war here :D |
| 17:04.37 | protex | I'll brb, bacon's burnin |
| 17:04.40 | Rhizome | To arms! |
| 17:04.42 | pelzi_ | hand-holding is a pita |
| 17:04.45 | infernix | jelly-home: any hard way that you know of?:) |
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| 17:04.51 | x_link | Damn it! |
| 17:04.53 | x_link | Nothing works. |
| 17:04.56 | enouf | !start a distro war |
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| 17:04.57 | dpkg | Cent OS rocks! |
| 17:05.08 | k31th | lol. |
| 17:05.10 | x_link | I couldn't jump to the next thing. |
| 17:05.22 | k31th | CentOS |
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| 17:05.28 | k31th | we use that for some clients. |
| 17:05.29 | enouf | x_link: patience .. patience - are you trying to install to the 4GB drive or the 40G drive? |
| 17:05.31 | liable | x_link: did you get it to write changes? |
| 17:05.33 | x_link | liable; I had to do the partitioning. I couldn't pick the next thing in the list, cause it told me that I haven't done the partition yet |
| 17:05.47 | x_link | enouf: ALL of them, none of them works. |
| 17:06.39 | jelly-home | infernix: there is "atop" but requires kernel patches, http://www.atconsultancy.nl/atop/ |
| 17:06.39 | x_link | When I want to write changes it tells me -- No rotfile |
| 17:06.39 | liable | x_link: eww, no rotfile? |
| 17:06.39 | x_link | That I have to choose a free space to do the partitioning on. |
| 17:06.39 | enouf | x_link: learn to use these keys .. 'SpaceBar' , Enter, Tab, Up/Down Arrows, |
| 17:06.40 | infernix | jelly-home: sweet. thanks. |
| 17:06.40 | x_link | eno-away? |
| 17:06.40 | x_link | enouf ? |
| 17:06.40 | enouf | x_link: pfft |
| 17:06.47 | x_link | What do you mean ? |
| 17:06.57 | enouf | x_link: Yes .. you likely are having trouble setting the parameters .. |
| 17:06.57 | jelly-home | infernix: the patches look fairly benign, I've tried them and liked them. However they're not updated very often and 2.6 is a moving target. |
| 17:07.12 | liable | x_link: this disk is free for only debian? |
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| 17:07.15 | enouf | x_link: is that corret ? .. no rotfile? |
| 17:07.27 | x_link | The first time I installed Debian I didn't have this problem, it did the partition all by itself etc. |
| 17:07.42 | enouf | x_link: whcih disk? |
| 17:07.43 | yungknight | what is the right way to go about installing debian with xorg? |
| 17:07.44 | mike-e | !unrar-nonfree |
| 17:07.45 | x_link | enouf: Yes, when I choose Finish partition and write changes to the hard drive. |
| 17:07.49 | mike-e | !nonfree |
| 17:07.50 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 17:07.57 | infernix | jelly-home: it'd suffice to run an older kernel during test phases just to see how a certain app behaves. it'd be nice if it ever became mainstream tho:) |
| 17:07.58 | x_link | Then in next window it tells me that I have no root file |
| 17:08.03 | x_link | or rot file |
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| 17:08.04 | enouf | x_link: whcih disk? |
| 17:08.09 | x_link | 40GB |
| 17:08.13 | mike-e | what's the repo for unrar-nonfree |
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| 17:08.24 | pelzi_ | non-free? |
| 17:08.33 | enouf | x_link: oh .. "root file" or partition .. you need to select the root drive/partition |
| 17:08.37 | mike-e | yes |
| 17:08.38 | mike-e | ? |
| 17:08.40 | multi_io | http://www.terrortshirt.com/ |
| 17:08.43 | multi_io | hahaha |
| 17:08.54 | x_link | enouf: when I put the cd in and when I have the hdd that I already have Debian installed on, then nothing happens, Debian just boots. Shouldn't it start the installation? |
| 17:09.10 | enouf | x_link: use the up/down arrows to highlight the partiion and then hit ENTER for a nice SubMenu |
| 17:09.39 | x_link | I can't pick the any partition. |
| 17:09.43 | x_link | That's the problem. |
| 17:09.58 | x_link | It's looks like two lines is missing in that "menu". |
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| 17:10.05 | enouf | x_link: don't pick ANY .. choose the original .. or delete the partitions |
| 17:10.13 | av16ar | good bye |
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| 17:10.15 | infernix | jelly-home: i do suppose there's a slight performance hit for keeping track of the stats tho. |
| 17:10.20 | enouf | !customer |
| 17:10.20 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 17:10.23 | x_link | enouf: I can't cause I don't see any and I don't see tha toption. |
| 17:10.39 | wols | x_link: if your CD won't boot, you need to enable CD booting in BIOS |
| 17:10.47 | wols | doesn't matter what's already on disk |
| 17:10.52 | x_link | in one window I get _ Starting Partitioniser ( or how you spell it ) |
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| 17:11.42 | x_link | Then next window is --- Guided Partitioning, Help about partitioning, regreet changes on partitions, Finish partition and write changes to the hard drive. |
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| 17:11.44 | Kurtism | what's the apt command to get debian to install the source of the kernel debian installed into /usr/src/? |
| 17:11.49 | wols | and when the CD has started you can run cfdisk and delete and create partitions there |
| 17:11.52 | x_link | wols: My cd does boot. |
| 17:11.53 | liable | meh 3am, time to get my sorry ass to bed i guess |
| 17:11.54 | Kurtism | apt-get install kernel-source don't work |
| 17:11.58 | jelly-home | infernix: I didn't notice anything visible. Used it on a news server with 20-40Mbps traffic. |
| 17:12.00 | Kurtism | !kernelsource |
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| 17:12.33 | Kurtism | or do I have to do this manually by going to kernel.org? |
| 17:12.35 | liable | Kurtism: apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r) |
| 17:12.37 | x_link | wols: Should I press Alt+F2 and then type cfdisk ? |
| 17:12.58 | wols | no you should run the CD |
| 17:13.10 | wols | it asks you about partitioning and there you can delete and create partitions |
| 17:13.24 | x_link | I can't, cause I don't get that option. |
| 17:13.30 | liable | Kurtism: if you have sarge, its kernel-source, if its etch or sid, its linux-source |
| 17:13.31 | x_link | There is something wrong. |
| 17:13.44 | x_link | hehe, that's what I have been saying the whole day., |
| 17:14.09 | x_link | I know that I should create a partition. |
| 17:14.20 | x_link | I will try again, but I know that it will not work. |
| 17:14.26 | x_link | brb |
| 17:14.33 | yungknight | what is the apt-get line to get xorg instead of xfree86 |
| 17:14.53 | Clinton__ | sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg ( I think ) |
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| 17:15.02 | Greek-Boy | dpkg raid |
| 17:15.02 | dpkg | hmm... raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid, or see <software raid> |
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| 17:15.18 | liable | yungknight: if you have sarge, there isnt xorg |
| 17:15.25 | yungknight | liable: oh |
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| 17:15.54 | liable | yungknight: if you really need it, try backports.org |
| 17:15.59 | Greek-Boy | What I am not clear about is whether or not the partitions are made on the md raid device or on the volume itself. |
| 17:16.25 | liable | the partitions are on the disk |
| 17:16.36 | yungknight | liable: i don't really want it but for some reason i can't get xfree86 to workon on my laptop with sis drivers |
| 17:16.57 | liable | yungknight: wont work with vesa driver? |
| 17:17.30 | yungknight | liable: nope, that was the first thing i tried |
| 17:17.46 | liable | yungknight: whats the actuall x error? |
| 17:18.13 | yungknight | liable: cannot find terminal |
| 17:18.35 | yungknight | i had the correct busid and everything |
| 17:18.45 | Kurtism | thank you liable |
| 17:18.51 | liable | yungknight: really? can you paste the error? i havent heard of that one for x before |
| 17:19.13 | liable | Kurtism: np |
| 17:19.24 | enouf | Greek-Boy: did you find that documentation I told you about? ..if so .. have you read it thoroughly? |
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| 17:19.31 | wols | yungknight: busid doesn't really matter on laptops... |
| 17:20.08 | yungknight | liable: ok, let me get it |
| 17:20.11 | yungknight | wols: ok |
| 17:20.16 | liable | it does if its wrong :P |
| 17:21.00 | enouf | Greek-Boy: can obtain it from here http://alioth.debian.org/projects/rootraiddoc/ |
| 17:21.19 | wols | liable: true dat :P |
| 17:21.35 | Kurtism | I'm using lvm for the first time |
| 17:21.40 | enouf | Greek-Boy: also see http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 17:22.01 | Kurtism | is LVM like the equivilent of a windows 2003 dynamic disc? |
| 17:22.07 | Kurtism | it seems similar |
| 17:22.14 | mikefoo | Have a Question: We run a fairly large web server shop, which lots of content. We switched to holding the served content to a network attached storage device. I tested max throughput to the device and got 30MB/sec when the webserver only pushed 5MB/sec. After we switched out request time dropped a lot. So I guess it just sheer latency to the NAS? |
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| 17:22.37 | Kurtism | !lvm |
| 17:22.37 | dpkg | [lvm] at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 17:22.52 | Kurtism | who's theo? |
| 17:23.12 | Eulex | !factinfo Theo |
| 17:23.12 | dpkg | theo -- created by mgoetze <mgoetze@lexikon.cjd-braunschweig.de> at Sun Mar 10 02:53:21 2002 (1686 days); it has been requested 20 times, last by avu at Sat Nov 26 18:35:27 2005. |
| 17:23.18 | Eulex | !factinfo lvm |
| 17:23.18 | dpkg | lvm -- last modified at Thu Apr 1 07:05:37 2004 by Penix!~wenas@3ffe:b80:1c6e:0:0:0:0:2; it has been requested 154 times, last by Kurtism, 41s ago. |
| 17:23.35 | Eulex | !theo |
| 17:23.36 | dpkg | it has been said that theo is Theo de Raadt, founder of OpenBSD. See <www.theos.com>. |
| 17:23.39 | xingu | mikefoo: you've conflated bandwidth, in your statement, and latency, in your question |
| 17:23.42 | ole | why do i have to run alsaconf everytime I log in to hear sound? |
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| 17:24.24 | Kurtism | !lvm_tutorial |
| 17:24.25 | jelly-home | why would Theo deRaadt be extremely sexy? |
| 17:24.25 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 17:24.41 | xingu | mikefoo: the two metrics that matter in storage are the number of IO operations per second and average service time |
| 17:24.46 | liable | ole: add your snd modules to /etc/modules (though alsaconf should do it) run alsamixer, then 'alsactl store' |
| 17:25.13 | xingu | mikefoo: you can measure both via any reasonable userland's "iostat" |
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| 17:27.07 | mikefoo | xingu: yeah I can't with the AOE device, iostat stats are waaay off |
| 17:27.13 | amphi | ole: because you didn't do alsactl store after adjusting your settings? |
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| 17:27.32 | mikefoo | Ok so xingu its not all about max throughput I am guessing then huh, Thats what I went by thinking it would work. |
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| 17:27.43 | george_ | ole: is that actually true? so: when you log in and look at the loaded modules you don't see the sound modules? |
| 17:28.08 | fizzmahon | can anyone help me get my sound and graphics working correctly? |
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| 17:28.35 | george_ | !sicco |
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| 17:29.53 | xingu | mikefoo: exactly; bandwidth matters mostly only in brochures; rarely are real-life storage bottlenecks due to large linear operations, they're usually dense (in the time dimension) command groups of scattered IO (in the physical dimension) |
| 17:29.54 | Kurtism | hmmm |
| 17:29.58 | ole | george_, everyday I arrive at work, I log in from gdm, and there is no sound, I open a gnome-terminal, run alsaconf, and there it is. I finish, log out, and the next day story repeats |
| 17:30.00 | Kurtism | it didn't even unzip the linux-source |
| 17:30.25 | Kurtism | what's the difference between me doing aptitude install linux-source and me going to kernel.org and downloading the latest tar ball? |
| 17:30.33 | Ragnaroek | out of interest |
| 17:30.44 | xingu | mikefoo: the exception to this tends to be in ETL process where you're reading and transforming and bulk loading a point-in-time view of some dataset, periodically |
| 17:30.49 | george_ | ok, try this: log out, log in, verify you have no sound, then do lsmod and see if the sound modules are there |
| 17:30.49 | Kurtism | is there something extra setup when I get it via aptitude? |
| 17:31.10 | Braindead | Kurtism: no distribution uses unpatched kernel. unless you consider slackware or some other minor distro |
| 17:31.11 | george_ | if yes... try alsamixer |
| 17:31.21 | xingu | mikefoo: there, bandwidth matters very much |
| 17:31.39 | liable | Kurtism: not really, except its debian source (patched) |
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| 17:32.23 | liable | Kurtism: which means not much, i dont think debian does much patching |
| 17:32.28 | Kurtism | Braindead: so when I do an "aptitude install linux-source" and it downloads linux-source-2.6.17.tar.bz2 and copies it into /usr/src/ that tar file is a special debian patched kernel source tree? or is it exactly the same thing I'd get from kernel.org? |
| 17:32.52 | Braindead | Kurtism: it's patched. more or less heavily,with even some backports for security reasons |
| 17:33.02 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 17:33.11 | Kurtism | so I'm probably better off using that to install ndiswrapper with |
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| 17:33.28 | Braindead | Kurtism: ndiswrapper? use module-assistant |
| 17:33.42 | liable | Kurtism: you dont need source for ndiswrapper, just the headers for your running kernel |
| 17:33.52 | Kurtism | I was planning on installing ndiswrapper from source. |
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| 17:33.58 | george_ | ole: did you get all that? |
| 17:34.05 | Kurtism | since the version of ndiswrapper that comes with etch is pretty old |
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| 17:34.20 | Kurtism | 1.8 vs 1.26 on the ndiswrapper website |
| 17:34.29 | liable | Kurtism: you still dont need *kernel* source, just headers |
| 17:34.34 | Kurtism | ok |
| 17:34.50 | george_ | is ndiswrapper a kernel module? |
| 17:34.50 | Kurtism | its a kernel module |
| 17:34.50 | Kurtism | yep |
| 17:34.50 | liable | yes |
| 17:34.59 | ole | george_, I have only ssh access to the machine right now, I just run alsaconf, but I cant login/logout from gdm as if I were there |
| 17:35.00 | FalscherHase | hi. i'm currently trying to configure fontconfig. does it make senes to enable both hinting and autohinting or do they contradict? |
| 17:35.29 | george_ | ole: wait... how do you know you don't have sound?? |
| 17:35.43 | Kurtism | when I read the ndiswrapper install wiki it tells me to get the kernel source and put it in /usr/src/ and make a link like this "ln -s /usr/src/linux-<kernel-version> /lib/modules/VERSION/build" |
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| 17:36.16 | liable | Kurtism: with debian, the headers make the build link to the headers |
| 17:36.24 | Kurtism | ok |
| 17:36.55 | liable | Kurtism: you can use the source, but then you need to actually build the headers manually for the source.. |
| 17:37.04 | liable | if that makes sense.. |
| 17:37.09 | ole | george_, well, as i said before, I know I have no sound until I run alsaconf because it happens to me everyday when I log in. I thought it could be an issue of unproperly storing of the configuration alsaconf does |
| 17:37.09 | liable | prolly not |
| 17:37.12 | Kurtism | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.31 | liable | Kurtism: did you install the linux-headers package? |
| 17:37.34 | Kurtism | it does make sense, that means I have to totally recompile my kernel |
| 17:37.38 | george_ | ole: ok, it's either that or the mixer settings |
| 17:37.44 | Kurtism | I thought they were installed already |
| 17:37.45 | liable | Kurtism: for your running kernel |
| 17:37.58 | Kurtism | I saw and i beside kernel headers when I did aptitude search kernel-headers |
| 17:38.01 | ole | george_, so the conf it is supposed to be stored with alsactl store, isnt it? |
| 17:38.05 | liable | Kurtism: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:38.06 | Kurtism | "i" means installed right |
| 17:38.13 | george_ | yeah, I think so |
| 17:38.29 | george_ | but that stores more than just the mixer settings iirc |
| 17:39.14 | Kurtism | debian:/usr/src# aptitude search kernel-headers |
| 17:39.14 | Kurtism | i linux-kernel-headers - Linux Kernel Headers for development |
| 17:39.29 | liable | Kurtism: linux-headers |
| 17:39.37 | ole | george_, besides this, I think i have another misconfiguration, because only one program can play sound at a given time |
| 17:39.37 | dooglus | I'm having a problem with freenx: I started a session from a Windows machine, detached it, and am now on the server. When I try running nxclient here, it lists the detached session, but 'resume' is greyed out. Any idea why that might be? |
| 17:39.39 | Kurtism | oh crap, thanks man |
| 17:39.41 | liable | Kurtism: and for your running kernel... |
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| 17:40.01 | george_ | when you say you log in, could you say exactly what you mean by that? (talking about times you can know if your sound is working because you're close to the speakers) |
| 17:40.29 | george_ | could it be that also when you log in you turn the machine on first? |
| 17:40.51 | Kurtism | uname -r returns my running kernel... duh |
| 17:41.00 | liable | yeah.. |
| 17:41.07 | ole | george_, no, the machine is always up with gdm greeter. I log in from there |
| 17:41.20 | enouf | Kurtism: could aptitude search ~i | grep linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:41.25 | george_ | so: you log off, you log on, no sound? |
| 17:41.32 | ole | george_, exactly |
| 17:41.53 | Kurtism | I'm installing the linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 17:41.55 | george_ | ok, then you can check some things from where you are |
| 17:41.56 | liable | ole: you are in audio group? |
| 17:42.05 | soapee01 | did a regular upgrade on etch yesterday. Konqueror no longer runs (error: /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14KURIFilterData6reinitERK7QString) anyone seen that one? |
| 17:42.09 | Kurtism | that's also what "cat /proc/version" returns |
| 17:42.16 | stew | soapee01: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:42.45 | valdyn | ole: can you paste the output of lsmod prior and after running alsaconf? |
| 17:42.46 | soapee01 | stew: I've already checked. Didn't see one. |
| 17:42.55 | george_ | soapee01: try a coupla things too, try: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 17:43.01 | ole | liable, yep, I think I checked that, how can I check that again from command line? |
| 17:43.04 | george_ | does that do anything? |
| 17:43.09 | Kurtism | build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 |
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| 17:43.12 | soapee01 | stew: I'm always a little leary of filing bugs, since it's probably something I did. |
| 17:43.15 | liable | ole: 'groups' |
| 17:43.15 | Kurtism | friggin A thanks man |
| 17:43.30 | ole | liable, yes, I am |
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| 17:43.35 | liable | cool |
| 17:43.46 | soapee01 | george_: that didn't seem to do anything |
| 17:43.49 | Kurtism | I guess I should use kpkg to install the modules rather than the ndiswrapper make && make install |
| 17:43.52 | stew | soapee01: its better to file one and have the maintainer close it than it is for etch to release with such a bug |
| 17:44.07 | george_ | soapee01: ok, so it finished configuring the packages |
| 17:44.08 | liable | Kurtism: no, m-a |
| 17:44.15 | Kurtism | no m-a? |
| 17:44.25 | liable | Kurtism: i 'think' m-a does ndiswrapper.. |
| 17:44.33 | epsilon | .oO no m-a'am? |
| 17:44.35 | liable | module-assistent |
| 17:44.42 | Kurtism | oh I see |
| 17:44.47 | Kurtism | I'll have to read up on that tool |
| 17:44.50 | Kurtism | I've never used it before |
| 17:44.52 | soapee01 | george_ stew: rightyoh, I'll file a grave bug. |
| 17:45.07 | liable | Kurtism: m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 17:45.14 | george_ | well we can still try one more thing soapee01 |
| 17:45.16 | liable | -source |
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| 17:45.26 | jelly-home | su-su-ssudio on the radio |
| 17:45.27 | liable | prolly |
| 17:45.29 | george_ | try the dist-upgrade again and see if that does anything |
| 17:45.36 | Kurtism | !module-assistant |
| 17:45.36 | dpkg | [module-assistant] a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:45.52 | enouf | soapee01: just tried a ' ldd -v /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4 ' and man, there is a lot of linkage |
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| 17:46.14 | enouf | !comfort liable |
| 17:46.15 | dpkg | There, there, liable. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 17:46.27 | liable | !aw |
| 17:46.29 | enouf | sleep tight liable :-) |
| 17:46.32 | liable | !aww |
| 17:46.32 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 17:46.44 | george_ | !sicco! |
| 17:46.44 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 17:46.46 | soapee01 | george_ already tried another upgrade. |
| 17:46.56 | george_ | and what happened? |
| 17:47.10 | george_ | 0/0/0/0? |
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| 17:48.15 | soapee01 | george_: nothing. |
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| 17:48.36 | george_ | soapee01: so it also said words to the effect of "nothing to do"? |
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| 17:48.41 | h00t | FUCK |
| 17:48.41 | X-Factor | hey guys how do i search apt-get files? |
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| 17:48.50 | h00t | wrong window ... sorry |
| 17:48.50 | george_ | packages.debian.org |
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| 17:49.00 | soapee01 | enouf: can you post your ldd output in flood? I'd like to compare it to mine and see if something wierd happened. |
| 17:49.03 | wols | !tell X-Factor about search |
| 17:49.24 | soapee01 | george_: it upgraded a couple of things, but nothing kde related. |
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| 17:49.53 | george_ | ok, so it did do something... go again until it does nothing |
| 17:49.54 | X-Factor | thanks guys |
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| 17:50.09 | X-Factor | both were helpful |
| 17:50.17 | george_ | (just to make sure you are completely up to date) |
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| 17:50.56 | soapee01 | george_: everything is up to date (except for what dpkg is holding back). |
| 17:51.04 | enouf | soapee01: sure ...hold a sec |
| 17:51.24 | george_ | so it's saying N packages not upgraded? |
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| 17:52.27 | george_ | I dunno if I wanna have you mess with that :) |
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| 17:52.40 | george_ | well depending on what packages they are |
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| 17:53.12 | RichiH | what in god's name! |
| 17:53.27 | RichiH | there is something called HTTP cahe cleaner and it just started running |
| 17:53.27 | george_ | god! |
| 17:53.35 | RichiH | without me doing anything |
| 17:53.50 | RichiH | it even seems to be a gui app |
| 17:53.55 | george_ | HTTP cake cleaner? looks like it's hungry! |
| 17:53.59 | RichiH | cache :) |
| 17:54.09 | george_ | oh, cache? |
| 17:54.09 | RichiH | someone needs to be beat with a shovel |
| 17:54.26 | valdyn | RichiH: which executable is that? |
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| 17:55.01 | george_ | soapee01: were you saying before that you're missing symlinks in /usr/lib? |
| 17:55.08 | soapee01 | george_: are you running etch (with kde)? |
| 17:55.17 | george_ | no, sarge/kde |
| 17:55.31 | george_ | I'm giving it an extended tryout |
| 17:55.43 | soapee01 | george_: error: /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14KURIFilterData6reinitERK7QString |
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| 17:56.07 | soapee01 | george_ the symlink is correct. I'm betting there's an error in the library. |
| 17:56.24 | RichiH | valdyn: i can not tell |
| 17:56.41 | george_ | ok, that should be verified with someone else that also has that lib and approximate setup as you do |
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| 17:58.29 | soapee01 | anyone here running etch/kde willing to run 'ldd -v /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4' and compare output with me? MTIA |
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| 17:58.57 | valdyn | RichiH: why? ps aux should list the name |
| 17:59.14 | RichiH | valdyn: agreed |
| 17:59.20 | RichiH | i can not find it, though |
| 18:01.15 | valdyn | RichiH: you're runnning ubuntu? |
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| 18:01.54 | RichiH | valdyn: no |
| 18:01.56 | RichiH | sid |
| 18:02.09 | valdyn | RichiH: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=241926 |
| 18:02.51 | RichiH | valdyn: ta, i am googling it myself |
| 18:02.53 | stew | &tell RichiH about sid faq |
| 18:02.55 | RichiH | it really is strange |
| 18:03.09 | valdyn | RichiH: some kde service |
| 18:03.38 | dooglus | I'm having a problem with freenx: I started a session from a Windows machine, detached it, and am now on the server. When I try running nxclient here, it lists the detached session, but 'resume' is greyed out. Any idea why that might be? |
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| 18:05.01 | d0uglas | Hey now. Got me a bin/cue weighing in at 798 megs but only 702 meg cds. I've never seen an 800 meg cd. Anyway, what do i do? thanks. |
| 18:05.06 | RichiH | valdyn: well, as long as it is not malicious.. |
| 18:05.14 | RichiH | valdyn: still, it made the alarm bells ring |
| 18:05.37 | GoAuLd | do anyone know some faq/howto for correctly set up aiglx in SID ? |
| 18:05.38 | multi_io | d0uglas: there are 800M CDs |
| 18:05.48 | pelzi_ | and the image is bigger than the cd. |
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| 18:06.14 | stew | GoAuLd: add <Option "AIGLX" "true"> to ServerLayout |
| 18:06.20 | vahid | hello |
| 18:06.20 | d0uglas | multi_io: multi: ok if you say so, but i've been in my share of stores and alls i see is the occasional 80 minute cd, that's alls i'm sayin' |
| 18:06.28 | d0uglas | pelzi_: can i split this sucker up? |
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| 18:06.49 | x_link | Well, it doesn't work. |
| 18:06.52 | wols | d0uglas: there are 99min CDs. and it's hard to buy a 74min CD-R |
| 18:07.02 | GoAuLd | stew, i got it running, i have problem with compiz, it doesnt give windows the "title bar" |
| 18:07.04 | wols | I can't find them in stores except the Audio CD-Rs |
| 18:07.20 | wols | btw: not all recorders support 99min CDs |
| 18:07.26 | simonrvn | it's because it's not running |
| 18:07.31 | simonrvn | GoAuLd: ^^ |
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| 18:08.10 | GoAuLd | simonrvn, i have it running, see the cube and some special effects but the windows lack their title bar |
| 18:08.10 | vahid | i have a server(sarge) with valid IP, and now i'm on an invalid IP from gateway. i can ssh on server, and i need run X application, but i get a error that tell me can't display |
| 18:08.14 | vahid | any help? |
| 18:08.30 | simonrvn | GoAuLd: oh ok |
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| 18:09.30 | d0uglas | well how about this.. can i make the bin/cue into an image without putting it on a cd and watch the video it's got? |
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| 18:09.44 | pelzi_ | sounds illegal |
| 18:10.00 | d0uglas | got to get my project runway on, yo |
| 18:10.02 | d0uglas | it's the finale |
| 18:10.09 | wols | d0uglas: bin2iso |
| 18:10.14 | d0uglas | wols thanks |
| 18:10.15 | vahid | ? |
| 18:10.22 | vahid | !ping |
| 18:10.22 | dpkg | pong |
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| 18:10.34 | asg | vahid: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 18:11.10 | valdyn | d0uglas: what is on that image? |
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| 18:11.45 | focker | is there a specific channel for debian sparc? |
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| 18:11.49 | d0uglas | valdyn: well this particular one is something i've already paid to see but want to see again. That's legal, right? |
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| 18:12.04 | wols | d0uglas: depends |
| 18:12.06 | hydr0x | Hey, I'm having some trouble with the "run" command. I was wondering if someone could explain what it actually does |
| 18:12.07 | valdyn | d0uglas: heh, legality wasnt really what i care for |
| 18:12.11 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 18:12.20 | wols | if you have to circumvent something: no |
| 18:12.24 | asg | hydr0x: run command? |
| 18:12.30 | valdyn | d0uglas: response i wanted was a) movie file or b) svcd or similar |
| 18:12.37 | hydr0x | asg, Yeah, isn't there a command, called "run".. |
| 18:12.37 | pelzi_ | claim it is a home video |
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| 18:12.47 | asg | hydr0x: not on any Unix I have |
| 18:13.03 | wols | hydr0x: what would you need it for? |
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| 18:13.24 | netcrash | Hello , I'm trying to enable raid 5 on a few disks using the debian installer but allways when trying to write the boot loader (grub/lilo) I get a error that can't be done, using fdisk -l I have no report of having disks. |
| 18:13.24 | asg | hydr0x: what is this 'run' command supposed to do? |
| 18:13.41 | hydr0x | asg, Same. I hadn't even heard of it until today, it's just a script I've got has a "run" command in it. It looks as if it just does the same as executing a file.. Think I should just alias it to bash ? |
| 18:13.42 | d0uglas | the departed.. scorsese flick, jack nicholson, mark wahlberg, dicaprio, matt damon, martin sheen, alec baldwin |
| 18:13.49 | d0uglas | valdyn: you gotta see this |
| 18:14.04 | asg | hydr0x: you can. |
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| 18:14.22 | hydr0x | So long as no one has heard of it, I think it's my best option.. |
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| 18:15.02 | valdyn | d0uglas: ts or tc, bah |
| 18:15.03 | kjdis | I am trying to install v4l modules but the install keeps trying to find /lib/modules/2.6.16-rc... and I have no such directory. How can I get it to stop trying that? |
| 18:15.14 | asg | hydr0x: paste the script in which this 'run' command exists to a pastebin so we can have a look in context |
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| 18:15.39 | d0uglas | valdyn: ts or tc? traffic shaping command or debian test cycle traffic control? |
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| 18:15.55 | Vaske_Car | can anybody help me to make my microphone working? |
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| 18:16.08 | valdyn | d0uglas: nah, referring to the movie, but pirating is off topic so i'll leave it alone ) |
| 18:16.08 | wols | d0uglas: classic! |
| 18:16.17 | hydr0x | asg, Hold on, I'm moving some stuff around and looking at it closer, I think I might of got it going.. |
| 18:16.19 | d0uglas | valdyn: ok |
| 18:16.24 | Vaske_Car | hi wols! |
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| 18:16.33 | elias_ | how can I create a fullscreen xnest session with gdm in it? |
| 18:16.41 | d0uglas | Better than Goodfellas. There, I said it. |
| 18:17.15 | d0uglas | what's the name of the font in the console? how can i get an xterm/konsole to look like it? |
| 18:17.57 | d0uglas | i don't want to always have to control alt f1 to look elite |
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| 18:18.17 | asg | d0uglas: just run an xterm in fullscreen mode. |
| 18:18.41 | asg | d0uglas: then you can be elite in higher resolution |
| 18:18.55 | d0uglas | no way i gotta crank this down to vga |
| 18:19.06 | d0uglas | no one will take me seriously |
| 18:19.32 | Vaske_Car | Microphone show-up in Volume Control but does not work, mute is not checked ????? |
| 18:19.46 | Vaske_Car | Is that driver issue or? |
| 18:20.04 | d0uglas | So the only news source for real news that's not intended for nerds that i can get with knewsticker is the christian science monitor? is that a joke? |
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| 18:20.16 | asg | d0uglas: no one will take you seriously unless you are using a paper tape for input |
| 18:20.17 | hydr0x | Vaske_Car, Are you sure it's not working, very very very quietly ? |
| 18:20.32 | Vaske_Car | yes |
| 18:20.37 | Vaske_Car | 100% |
| 18:20.44 | DaBlade | d0uglas: You want real news RSS feeds? |
| 18:20.54 | hydr0x | Vaske_Car, Sometimes they make a very very minute sound |
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| 18:21.01 | d0uglas | ahh rss why didn't i think of that .. no prob i can fix that up |
| 18:21.01 | Vaske_Car | it work with Windows that is on antoehr partition |
| 18:21.06 | d0uglas | thanks dablade |
| 18:21.13 | DaBlade | d0uglas: For what? |
| 18:21.15 | hydr0x | Vaske_Car, What kind of Mic is it ? |
| 18:21.24 | d0uglas | maybe the times, the bbc.. |
| 18:21.28 | Vaske_Car | standard PC microphone |
| 18:21.33 | Vaske_Car | nothing special |
| 18:21.37 | d0uglas | trying to get my aunt and mom converted to debian |
| 18:21.42 | hydr0x | Jack or USB ? |
| 18:21.51 | Vaske_Car | I want to use it with skype |
| 18:22.09 | DaBlade | d0uglas: How about a video RSS feed? |
| 18:22.21 | d0uglas | Video RSS feed?! are you shittin' me? |
| 18:22.35 | hydr0x | Vaske_Car, Does the mic connect through the mic-jack or a USB port ? |
| 18:22.43 | Vaske_Car | mic-jack |
| 18:22.46 | Vaske_Car | red one |
| 18:22.52 | bkhl | d0uglas: converted from what? |
| 18:22.58 | hydr0x | Vaske_Car, How're you testing if it's working ? |
| 18:22.59 | d0uglas | how is google and youtube and friends affording all this bandwidth anyway.. and the google web accelerator.. and their free wifi in mountianview california.. ahh nevermind |
| 18:23.14 | d0uglas | bkhl: windows of course |
| 18:23.16 | DaBlade | d0uglas: Never mind |
| 18:23.17 | DaBlade | d0uglas: http://www.democracynow.org/democracynow.rss |
| 18:23.18 | DaBlade | Try that one |
| 18:23.23 | d0uglas | ok |
| 18:23.25 | Vaske_Car | hydr0x, if I tap of the mic I can not hear it in speakers |
| 18:23.25 | d0uglas | thanks |
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| 18:23.47 | hydr0x | Vaske_Car, Do you have the mic-boost enabled ? |
| 18:23.48 | d0uglas | DaBlade: can you recommend a good rss client or viewer or whatever? |
| 18:23.53 | DaBlade | d0uglas: Akregator |
| 18:24.11 | Vaske_Car | not sure that I saw that feature in Volume Control |
| 18:24.16 | bkhl | d0uglas: or Google Reader, or Bloglines.com |
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| 18:24.26 | hydr0x | Vaske_Car, Whuch volume control are you looking at? |
| 18:24.29 | Shadur | !find nvidia-glx etch |
| 18:24.48 | Vaske_Car | A GNOME/GStreamer-based mixer application |
| 18:24.51 | d0uglas | DaBlade: nice i think i already have that somewhere |
| 18:24.55 | Vaske_Car | Volume Control 2.8.0 |
| 18:24.58 | hydr0x | Vaske_Car, Because i've had problems with the mic working, but VERY quietly. If you apt-get install audacity, hit record, select the mic for input, and tap it and see if you can see any pixels move |
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| 18:25.16 | Vaske_Car | just a sec |
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| 18:26.41 | d0uglas | DaBlade: can i get akregator to scroll in the taskbar? |
| 18:26.52 | DaBlade | d0uglas: How do you mean? |
| 18:27.03 | d0uglas | you know, tucked away in the corner near my fuzzy clock |
| 18:27.17 | d0uglas | an inch or two of space with the headlines streaming through |
| 18:27.20 | DaBlade | Yes, akregator does minimize to tray if that's what you mean |
| 18:27.23 | DaBlade | Oh, not that. |
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| 18:27.31 | DaBlade | You have to click it to see the news |
| 18:27.48 | d0uglas | ok well i guess that's not too much to ask |
| 18:27.59 | d0uglas | got the democracy now thing fired up, not bad |
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| 18:28.11 | DaBlade | d0uglas: http://digg.com/rss/indexpolitics.xml |
| 18:28.19 | DaBlade | Digg's political news section ^ |
| 18:28.23 | DaBlade | That often has some good stuff too |
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| 18:28.52 | yure | has anyone had issues with testing regarding reading DVD media. They just appear as blank CD in gnome, i get packet command error in syslog |
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| 18:29.08 | marcela | hi |
| 18:29.23 | DaBlade | marcela: Hi |
| 18:29.52 | DaBlade | yure: I don't... Try using KDE. I've never had such problems in it. |
| 18:30.00 | marcela | i have a new hard drive... and i need to move the usr directory to a new partition on the new hard drive.. what i need to do_ |
| 18:30.19 | amphi | marcela: cp -a is good |
| 18:30.27 | Clinton__ | marcela: have you formatted the drive to your preferred filesystem type? |
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| 18:30.33 | yure | DaBlade, it won't mount anyway, even through command line |
| 18:30.35 | DaBlade | marcela: Hrm... That's a tough one, never did that before. Not sure how to make the system accept it there |
| 18:30.41 | Vaske_Car | hydr0x, how to select mic as input? |
| 18:30.44 | DaBlade | yure: What does dmesg say? |
| 18:30.46 | Vaske_Car | can not see that |
| 18:31.08 | marcela | Clinton__, yes.. i formatted the partition with ext3 |
| 18:31.12 | DaBlade | d0uglas: Need any more help? |
| 18:31.15 | d0uglas | DaBlade: i imported that digg xml and it appeared to download something but i don't see it anywhere |
| 18:31.23 | marcela | DaBlade, :( |
| 18:31.37 | DaBlade | d0uglas: Hm... Dunno. I just use the digg All categories rss feed. |
| 18:31.44 | Clinton__ | marcela: alright, copy everything over, and then remount the /usr directory to the new drive, and make sure you modify /etc/fstab accordingly |
| 18:31.45 | yure | DaBlade, http://pastebin.ca/213919 |
| 18:31.53 | d0uglas | i think i may go for some firefox rss extension |
| 18:31.59 | DaBlade | marcela: Maybe by editing your fstab file |
| 18:32.09 | DaBlade | marcela: and making the new hard drive mount as /usr |
| 18:32.19 | vahid | hi |
| 18:32.30 | yure | hi vahid |
| 18:32.36 | d0uglas | DaBlade: thanks, by the way.. you're all right my man |
| 18:32.37 | bkhl | d0uglas: Firefox 2 has integration with some big web based RSS readers (like the two I mentioned) |
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| 18:32.39 | hydr0x | Vaske_Car, apt-get install "aumix" and run it, move down to mic, hit space so the "p" turns to a red "r" and use the right cursor to move the slider to the right, then quit |
| 18:32.41 | marcela | Clinton__, ok.. and the PATH var? |
| 18:32.53 | DaBlade | d0uglas: No problem...and...thanks... I think. |
| 18:33.04 | Clinton__ | the PATH var will be updated transparently when you remount |
| 18:33.13 | DaBlade | yure: I think your DVD drive is broken |
| 18:33.29 | Ansonmus | Hello all, is there a easy way to record a audio stream from the line-in and encode it on-the-fly to mp3 ? |
| 18:33.30 | d0uglas | bkhl: i saw firefox 2 on a windows box and the tabs would only shrink to about an inch or two, so if you opened up more than several it wouldn't fit onto the screen.. is that the case with linux too? |
| 18:33.31 | DaBlade | yure: Try it in a different OS, or a liveCD from a different distro |
| 18:33.32 | yure | DaBlade, it works in windows :) |
| 18:33.34 | vahid | i have a sarge server with valid IP , i ssh on it but i can't run firefox, error is "firefox-bin:18357): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:", i enable X forwarding on sshd_config |
| 18:33.39 | vahid | any help? |
| 18:33.42 | marcela | wait a moment |
| 18:33.42 | DaBlade | yure: hrm... |
| 18:33.50 | DaBlade | yure: #hardware maybe? Or #kernel? |
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| 18:34.00 | yure | i'll try #kernel :) |
| 18:34.03 | yure | cya |
| 18:34.06 | DaBlade | Bye |
| 18:34.07 | bkhl | d0uglas: yeah, if they don't fit you get an arrow or some such so you can scroll between them |
| 18:34.18 | d0uglas | bkhl: that could be a dealbreaker |
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| 18:34.24 | d0uglas | well i'll just try it |
| 18:34.30 | d0uglas | this is an experimental package right |
| 18:34.32 | pelzi_ | broken dvd drives are common |
| 18:34.56 | DaBlade | d0uglas: There's one possibility you could try, but it's rather cumbersome, and I'm not sure how to make it automatic. |
| 18:35.01 | d0uglas | woops did i just say the four letter word of the channel, experimental |
| 18:35.07 | DaBlade | d0uglas: To use two virtual desktops, one for news and one for everything else. |
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| 18:35.27 | DaBlade | d0uglas: However, I'm not sure how you'd go about starting only Akregator in one virtual desktop, automatically. |
| 18:35.29 | coulee | why is /etc config files open to all users by default? |
| 18:35.35 | coulee | to read i mean |
| 18:35.43 | cahoot | Ansonmus: really sure you don't want ogg? need lame to encode mp3 |
| 18:35.45 | DaBlade | coulee: Cause a lot of userspace apps use them? |
| 18:35.45 | d0uglas | oh yeah? I use six. One for gtk gnutella, one for viewing the pron, and six to have just in case i learn how to do anything else. |
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| 18:36.03 | DaBlade | d0uglas: Well, I haven't really ever used them |
| 18:36.03 | pelzi_ | if your window manager is not braindead, you can easily put what you want on a specific workspace. |
| 18:36.04 | bkhl | d0uglas: I've used the firefox_1.99+2.0b2+dfsg-1 happily for a few weeks now. |
| 18:36.17 | coulee | is it possible to lock it down without affecting apt or anything else vital to debian? |
| 18:36.19 | DaBlade | d0uglas: And I'm not sure how you'll go about getting your parents, grandparents or whoever it was again to use them |
| 18:36.23 | bismark | some can explain me this |
| 18:36.23 | bkhl | Well, a couple of months, even, probably. |
| 18:36.35 | d0uglas | bkhl: < 2? does that still have this rss thing? |
| 18:36.37 | DaBlade | d0uglas: Anyhow, if you need any more assistance, just /msg me, but it could take some time for me to reply. |
| 18:36.43 | bismark | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.45 | DaBlade | I gotta go, bye all. |
| 18:36.47 | bkhl | d0uglas: that is the second beta for Firefox 2. |
| 18:36.48 | bismark | ??? |
| 18:36.50 | d0uglas | DaBlade: why thanks man |
| 18:36.56 | d0uglas | no one's asked me to /msg them before |
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| 18:37.03 | bkhl | d0uglas: which is basically the same as what became the real Firefox 2. |
| 18:37.03 | mynullvoid | I got problem with mime when my user send meeting schedule via outlook, I had install tnef but what else I need to do so that my postfix handle it well? |
| 18:37.21 | Vaske_Car | hydr0x, done but still not working |
| 18:37.30 | bkhl | d0uglas: after that stuff got held up by that naming issue, I guess. |
| 18:37.53 | hydr0x | Vaske_Car, Dosen't anything come up on audacity, when you hit record and flick the mic? |
| 18:38.02 | Ansonmus | cahoot: ogg is also ok |
| 18:38.33 | cahoot | Ansonmus: something like: arecord -f cd -D hw:0,0 | oggenc - -o my.ogg |
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| 18:39.05 | Vaske_Car | hydr0x, no that VU memer for mic is not moving as well |
| 18:39.10 | Vaske_Car | VU meter* |
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| 18:40.21 | Vaske_Car | hydr0x, be back for a min |
| 18:40.27 | bismark | some knows why this package dont exists?? |
| 18:40.28 | bismark | dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 18:40.29 | bismark | ?? |
| 18:40.33 | Skvr | was the oftc server irc.oftc.org ? |
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| 18:40.53 | asg | Skvr: or irc.debian.org |
| 18:41.02 | bkhl | Skvr: I think it's oftc.net |
| 18:41.04 | blondie | Skvr: yes, that treacherous place. |
| 18:41.09 | Danamania | irc.oftc.net is what I use |
| 18:41.09 | blondie | you shouldn't go there! |
| 18:41.20 | blondie | this is the *real* #debian. |
| 18:41.29 | Skvr | :D |
| 18:41.58 | bkhl | The Original Debian People's Liberation Front! |
| 18:42.06 | RichiH | does anyone have the specs for a sun fire 450? |
| 18:42.12 | RichiH | and don't you dare to !anyone me :) |
| 18:43.08 | asg | RichiH: I have specs for and E250, Sunfire v100, and E6800 ;) |
| 18:43.12 | asg | *an |
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| 18:43.18 | Ansonmus | cahoot: Did you know if arecord first buffer it all as wave and then to ogg or will it do it with short buffers or so? |
| 18:43.30 | d0uglas | so do irc clients on debian default to irc.debian.org in order to minimize the n00b factor on #debian freenode? |
| 18:43.48 | RichiH | asg: too new :) |
| 18:44.02 | asg | RichiH: our E250 is a '99 vintage |
| 18:44.08 | jkdsoft | Buenos días. |
| 18:44.12 | asg | !es |
| 18:44.13 | bkhl | d0uglas: irc.debian.org points to freenode, IIRC. |
| 18:44.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:44.19 | RichiH | i think 450 is older |
| 18:44.29 | RichiH | bkhl: not any more |
| 18:44.30 | RichiH | oftc |
| 18:44.33 | asg | RichiH: possibly. I have an SS20 if that helps |
| 18:44.36 | valdyn | d0uglas: no, in order for users to be at the official support channel by default |
| 18:44.41 | cahoot | Ansonmus: no idea - btw if you want more control you can use ecasound -i alsa -o my.ogg |
| 18:44.44 | RichiH | asg nope |
| 18:44.47 | iturk | hi there i am trying to install java support in konqueror i have read an Howto about that http://www.konqueror.org/javahowto/ !! They say that Sun's 1.3 Java VM is not supported but 1.2.2 its suported !! I have sun's java 1.5.0 and its not working !! Anyone has put this working with a high sun version ?? |
| 18:44.49 | asg | ah well |
| 18:44.52 | riot | !tell RichiH about research |
| 18:44.54 | bkhl | valdyn: so the OFTC one is the official now? |
| 18:45.00 | asg | bkhl: yes |
| 18:45.02 | valdyn | bkhl: yes |
| 18:45.06 | riot | RichiH: ;D |
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| 18:45.17 | bkhl | Why didn't anyone tell me? What am I still doing here?! ;-) |
| 18:45.21 | stew | bkhl: none are really official, its just that irc.debian.org points to oftc |
| 18:45.22 | craigevil | sun java 5 in Sid works just fine in Konqueror |
| 18:45.26 | bkhl | OK |
| 18:45.32 | iturk | iturk: by the way i dont want to install a new jvm just because of konqueror !!!!! |
| 18:45.34 | asg | bkhl: if you'd been going to irc.debian.org the whole time, it wouldn't have mattered. |
| 18:45.38 | RichiH | riot: guess what i tried :) |
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| 18:46.06 | toaster | iturk: if you know only 1.2.2 works with konqueror, why did you pick 1.5 do get it working with ? |
| 18:46.09 | iturk | my konqueror version its 3.5.7 |
| 18:46.12 | riot | RichiH: So, sun doesn't offer anything? What a surprise.. |
| 18:46.27 | iturk | toaster: i had java before konqueror |
| 18:46.32 | d0uglas | are any of the experts in here who are helping basically 24 7 being paid at all? i mean, how can you get any other work done? |
| 18:46.34 | RichiH | riot: indeed, ti does not |
| 18:46.41 | toaster | try downgrading it? |
| 18:46.57 | craigevil | iturk konqueror version 3.5.7? |
| 18:47.05 | dhuv | hello all, it seems that my /var/lib/dpkg/available, can anybody point me to steps to recreating it? |
| 18:47.10 | iturk | 3.5.2 |
| 18:47.12 | iturk | sorry |
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| 18:47.26 | craigevil | !java |
| 18:47.30 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 18:47.44 | craigevil | !install java |
| 18:47.45 | dpkg | methinks install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using unstable. |
| 18:47.59 | asg | craigevil: you can /msg the bot also |
| 18:48.22 | craigevil | oh does using ! spam? |
| 18:48.24 | riot | or even query it. It knows great deals of useful information, you'd not want it to post _here_ |
| 18:48.49 | Ansonmus | cahoot: tx. I've new materials to experiment with.. I'm thinking on a very simple and fast recording system for my grandmother which wants to record some church-meetings.. With a little programming (have much VB and above low C++ experience) I think it must be possible for me to build it on debian.. |
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| 18:49.01 | iturk | craigevil: i heard that java its going to be opened by this is not in the aim of this channel i dont want to discuss about that |
| 18:49.19 | asg | craigevil: yes. Sometimes it's appropriate but most of the time, /msg dpkg <foo> or /msg dpkg tell <someone> about <foo> is preferred. |
| 18:49.51 | craigevil | ah ok didnt realize the ! spammed the channel |
| 18:49.51 | riot | !tell asg about foo |
| 18:50.01 | riot | *g* enuf told :) |
| 18:50.01 | abrotman | enouf: huh ? |
| 18:50.16 | abrotman | enouf: to the "whats my hardware" ? |
| 18:50.26 | enouf | abrotman: yeah .. right |
| 18:50.27 | d0uglas | I'd like to have anything i highlight in x to be automatically clipboarded as in the console with gpm.. doable? |
| 18:50.37 | asg | !kick riot in the goolies |
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| 18:51.02 | riot | asg: lol |
| 18:51.06 | abrotman | enouf: but lshal isn't really hardware |
| 18:52.00 | dhuv | does anyone know how to recreate /var/lib/dpkg/available? |
| 18:52.06 | enouf | abrotman: really ? ok ..then pcmciautils only then |
| 18:52.19 | asg | dhuv: /msg dpkg available |
| 18:52.24 | abrotman | enouf: pcmciautlis ? |
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| 18:52.29 | abrotman | enouf: like lspcmcia ? |
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| 18:52.47 | enouf | abrotman: yes.. for etch and sid..it's now pcmciautils -- IIRC |
| 18:52.58 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 18:52.58 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have |
| 18:53.03 | enouf | !info pcmciautils etch |
| 18:53.03 | abrotman | lspcmcia is already listsed |
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| 18:53.10 | dpkg | pcmciautils: (PCMCIA utilities for Linux 2.6), section admin, is extra. Version: 014-2 (etch), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 18:53.24 | abrotman | yes .. lspcmcia is already there |
| 18:53.35 | asg | !whats my hardware is also or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 18:53.36 | dpkg | okay, asg |
| 18:54.09 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 18:54.16 | enouf | abrotman: I think there are some diffs .. but I'll check it out first - for sure |
| 18:54.19 | d0uglas | Got an amd xp 2400+. When i popped in 2.6.18-k7, whenever i log in, it reports i'm using kernel 2.6.18 #1 SMP, though i don't think my chip's smp. If i am indeed using smp kernel headers or whatever and i dont have an smp chip, is that gonna slow me down or should i move on in life and forget about this? |
| 18:54.32 | enouf | asg : nice -- the Smith-Barney method :-p |
| 18:54.34 | abrotman | ignore it |
| 18:54.37 | simonrvn | what kind of chips? |
| 18:54.37 | d0uglas | ok |
| 18:54.41 | pelzi_ | exactly |
| 18:54.51 | asg | enouf: we earrrrn it |
| 18:54.55 | simonrvn | salt&vinegar? ketchup? |
| 18:54.57 | pir4 | can someone help me with this prob ? i have a USB Internet connection and ive no idea how to make it work ! ? |
| 18:55.08 | simonrvn | bbq? |
| 18:55.11 | enouf | asg: hehe .. the old-fashioned way |
| 18:55.12 | asg | simonrvn: beef |
| 18:55.16 | abrotman | omgwtfbbq ? |
| 18:55.16 | dhuv | asg: thanks that did it |
| 18:55.17 | pelzi_ | and dammit, your system is smp, not the cpu |
| 18:55.22 | asg | dhuv: you're welcome |
| 18:55.24 | d0uglas | pir4: what hardware and how far have you gotten |
| 18:55.33 | d0uglas | gotta be specific, yo |
| 18:55.46 | d0uglas | pelzi_: got it |
| 18:55.59 | d0uglas | just like one doesn't mount a device, one mounts a filesystem |
| 18:56.01 | d0uglas | ain't that right |
| 18:56.10 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 18:56.10 | pir4 | d0uglas : it a eThernet OlenCom adapter, piece of crap |
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| 18:56.21 | Wyzard | "eThernet" ? |
| 18:56.27 | Wyzard | yet it uses a USB connection rather than Ethernet? |
| 18:56.28 | pir4 | d0uglas : its just a ethernet usb card |
| 18:56.30 | enouf | abrotman: read the Desciption from a apt-cache show pcmciautils |
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| 18:56.31 | d0uglas | maybe it's an elite piece of crap |
| 18:56.36 | pelzi_ | lsusb |
| 18:56.39 | d0uglas | pir4 let me google around for you, brb |
| 18:56.45 | asg | Wyzard: that's how the ancient Greeks would have pronounced it |
| 18:57.03 | pelzi_ | why not get a real ethernet card |
| 18:57.06 | abrotman | enouf: ok .. and ? |
| 18:57.14 | pir4 | pelzi_ thats not the prob |
| 18:57.20 | pir4 | its an adaptor |
| 18:57.30 | Wyzard | An adapter from USB to ethernet? |
| 18:57.45 | enouf | abrotman : apt-cache show lspcmcia |
| 18:57.45 | abrotman | they make them |
| 18:57.45 | enouf | W: Unable to locate package lspcmcia |
| 18:57.48 | pir4 | lets say the tlfn cable goes to from the wall to this usb adaptor |
| 18:57.59 | valdyn | enouf: pcmciautils |
| 18:58.02 | nesys | hi folks; I'm trying to use a kernel compiled with HIGHMEM64G ... but I've a kernel panic: http://pastebin.ca/213948 |
| 18:58.04 | abrotman | enouf: no shit .. it's in the pcmciautils package .. those are commands .. not packages .. there's no lspci package either |
| 18:58.08 | pelzi_ | then it is a completely different matter |
| 18:58.10 | nesys | any advice will be appreciated |
| 18:58.19 | pelzi_ | get a real adsl modem. |
| 18:58.24 | dhuv | guys, I am running testing and I am getting these warnings when running gtk applications, does anybody know what it could be? Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libclearlooks.so: invalid ELF header |
| 18:58.25 | enouf | abrotman: valdyn sorry then .. nm |
| 18:58.26 | d0uglas | pir4: what does lspci have to say about your wifi hardware? |
| 18:58.29 | bismark | please, someone can help me? deb mirror show me this error |
| 18:58.31 | bismark | Download of dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages failed: 404 Not Found dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages failed md5sum check |
| 18:58.43 | valdyn | nesys: highmen64 has nothing to do with that error |
| 18:58.44 | pir4 | d0uglas uh ? |
| 18:58.45 | valdyn | !pivot root |
| 18:58.49 | valdyn | !pivot |
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| 18:58.53 | pir4 | d0uglas no wifi, normal connection |
| 18:58.54 | abrotman | bismark: pick another mirror |
| 18:58.56 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 18:58.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 18:59.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: the pure64 ones are :) |
| 18:59.10 | pir4 | d0uglas ill tell ya the driver model that says in windows |
| 18:59.15 | enouf | abrotman: right pciutils and pcmciautils .. doh -- bangs forehead on the desk |
| 18:59.18 | fizzmahon | whats the package name, or best method to install flash player |
| 18:59.28 | d0uglas | ohh.. ok, well, what does lspci have to say about the ethernet controller then |
| 18:59.31 | bismark | abrotman: that mirror es ftp.debian.org |
| 18:59.36 | abrotman | try another |
| 18:59.42 | simonrvn | anyone else here that is seeing any vhosts on the new apache2.2 not being able to login to a site? |
| 18:59.46 | pir4 | d0uglas ADMtek ADM8511 USB To Fast Ethernet Converter |
| 18:59.52 | simonrvn | pardon the grammar... |
| 18:59.54 | Wyzard | HIGHMEM64G actually enables PAE support, and PAE is necessary to use the "NX" feature of recent processors, regardless of how much RAM you have |
| 18:59.58 | d0uglas | pir4: is that what windows says or linux |
| 19:00.03 | pir4 | d0uglas win |
| 19:00.05 | magyar | how can i see with ls how many files are in the directory? |
| 19:00.16 | pir4 | d0uglas lin doenst detect it |
| 19:00.19 | magyar | statistics |
| 19:00.20 | valdyn | magyar: ls | wc -l |
| 19:00.23 | nesys | valdyn I don't know ... I've compiled the same kernel (with HIGHMEM4G) that works correctly now |
| 19:00.24 | d0uglas | magyar: ls|wc -l |
| 19:00.26 | d0uglas | damn. |
| 19:00.28 | xingu | dhuv: sounds like gtk2-engines needs reinstalling |
| 19:00.41 | d0uglas | touche valdyn, touche. |
| 19:00.45 | magyar | valdyn: d0uglas, thanks |
| 19:01.05 | simonrvn | i filed a bug about it, but it seems it doesn't matter whether or not it's an SSL vhost or not |
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| 19:01.22 | pir4 | d0uglas any idea? |
| 19:01.27 | pelzi_ | define "does not detect it" |
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| 19:01.38 | d0uglas | pir4: give me a second i'm googling |
| 19:01.44 | pelzi_ | usually those just work using usbnet. |
| 19:01.47 | simonrvn | !dbugs 353443 |
| 19:01.47 | dhuv | never mind, I reinstalled gtk2-engines |
| 19:01.51 | dpkg | DONE:#353443:I[apache2] Apache2 : SSLVerifyClient directive in location make post to PHP script impossible; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:48:11 UTC |
| 19:01.55 | dhuv | xingu: yup, exactly |
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| 19:01.58 | dhuv | tried it and it works |
| 19:02.00 | pelzi_ | if they do not work with usbnet, get a real adsl modem |
| 19:02.06 | simonrvn | (it's a follow-up to that one) |
| 19:02.11 | d0uglas | pir4: yeah, what do you mean, doesn't detect it? and do you have any other usb devices that do work? |
| 19:02.20 | pir4 | mouse |
| 19:02.29 | pir4 | d0uglas it work fine |
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| 19:02.41 | pir4 | d0uglas the usb module its loaded |
| 19:02.48 | pir4 | d0uglas even the usb-net one |
| 19:02.51 | pelzi_ | paste lsusb. |
| 19:02.58 | pelzi_ | well what's the problem then... |
| 19:02.58 | xingu | dhuv: you might want to back-track and find out how it got corrupt; bitrot below usr/lib are rarely amusing |
| 19:03.09 | pelzi_ | if it has loaded usbnet, it should work by all means |
| 19:03.24 | nesys | valdyn mmmm ... maybe I've found the error ... make menuconfig by root and not by user |
| 19:03.32 | pir4 | pelzi_ but i can see the usb thing as ethernet card |
| 19:03.38 | pir4 | thats what should happpend |
| 19:03.42 | pelzi_ | ifconfig -a |
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| 19:04.05 | d0uglas | pelzi_: would this guy be a candidate for ndiswrapping the windows drivers? |
| 19:04.06 | dhuv | xingu: I know I made updates friday afternoon which had some gtk packages updated |
| 19:04.11 | d0uglas | or no because of the usb element |
| 19:04.19 | kjdis | Ok, I found the .version file and edited it for my new kernel values, but still v4l modules don't work when I launch the app, anyone know how to get the v4l modules working again when switching to a new kernel? |
| 19:04.23 | pelzi_ | I doubt that |
| 19:04.26 | dhuv | but I did not get an error |
| 19:04.29 | dhuv | brb |
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| 19:05.16 | d0uglas | pir4: stick with pelzi, he knows his shit here and i dont |
| 19:05.23 | pir4 | d0uglas if im candidate, im gonna win! |
| 19:05.26 | pir4 | whats the price? |
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| 19:05.39 | d0uglas | ... a new ethernet adapter |
| 19:05.43 | d0uglas | :P |
| 19:05.49 | pir4 | no |
| 19:05.57 | pir4 | d0uglas maybe you dont undestand |
| 19:06.08 | pelzi_ | no, you did not tell us |
| 19:06.08 | d0uglas | right which is why i said talk to my man pelzi |
| 19:06.09 | pir4 | d0uglas i have a very good ethernet adapter |
| 19:06.21 | d0uglas | i'm sure it's a wonderful ethernet adapter |
| 19:06.27 | pir4 | no |
| 19:06.29 | pir4 | haha |
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| 19:06.31 | pelzi_ | what kind of connection it is |
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| 19:07.05 | pir4 | but my connection its trough cable from the wall (telephone) to my pc, so i need this usb - ethernet thing |
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| 19:07.34 | pelzi_ | nah. get something that uses ethernet |
| 19:07.39 | pir4 | it is not a normal wired thing |
| 19:07.49 | pir4 | pelzi_ thats not my solution |
| 19:07.52 | Wyzard | pir4: I think what he meant is a DSL modem that has an ethernet port rather than a USB port |
| 19:07.54 | enouf | NSA customized? |
| 19:07.58 | pir4 | pelzi_ it sould be a way to make it work |
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| 19:08.06 | pelzi_ | it sounds like homepna to me. |
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| 19:08.16 | pir4 | it could be |
| 19:08.31 | pelzi_ | I have 2 PCI homepna cards |
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| 19:08.37 | pelzi_ | they exist. |
| 19:08.49 | LennonNZ | I have some new 64Bit Xeom 3.6G.(well alot of them) what version of debian should I run on it? |
| 19:09.05 | muh2000 | how can i change the default root dev of a kernel before or after i compile(d) one? |
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| 19:09.15 | pelzi_ | if usbnet is loaded and you don't see anything in dmesg and it does not show up in ifconfig -a it probably is not supported |
| 19:09.35 | pir4 | lets say that i see it |
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| 19:09.48 | pir4 | how can i make it work in DHCP ? |
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| 19:09.56 | Wyzard | LennonNZ: You can run either the 64-bit or the 32-bit version |
| 19:10.03 | Wyzard | LennonNZ: amd64 or i386 |
| 19:10.06 | pelzi_ | dhclient $ifname |
| 19:10.26 | pelzi_ | dhclient eth0, probably. |
| 19:10.27 | Wyzard | pir4: If it has an interface that shows up with "ifconfig -a", add it to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:10.31 | LennonNZ | amd64 will run on the EMT64 chips? |
| 19:10.35 | bili | hey i have X session starting but i cant get it to autorun mozzilla on session start |
| 19:10.36 | bili | ? |
| 19:10.38 | Wyzard | muh2000: man rdev |
| 19:10.42 | Wyzard | LennonNZ: Yes, they're the same thing |
| 19:10.49 | pir4 | pelzi_ i have ethernet card too, and wireless card aswell |
| 19:10.54 | pir4 | how can i know the right numbre? |
| 19:10.55 | LennonNZ | why called amd64 then? |
| 19:11.24 | Wyzard | LennonNZ: (Intel adpted AMD's 64-bit instruction set but gave it a different name so it wouldn't be clear that they were just following AMD's lead rather than being the leader themselves) |
| 19:11.25 | pelzi_ | just try all... or disconnect the other adapters, or look in dmesg |
| 19:11.33 | pir4 | i see |
| 19:11.35 | pir4 | thx |
| 19:11.35 | bili | i edited the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 19:11.37 | pir4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.49 | Wyzard | LennonNZ: AMD defined the 64-bit instruction set architecture and then Intel copied it |
| 19:12.17 | d0uglas | is a bittorrent client a bittorrent client, or are any of them smarter at dishing out outgoing bandwidth to the right people in order to stay unchoked/unsnubbed by the people who will indeed reciprocate with some throughput? know what i'm sayin'? |
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| 19:12.26 | LennonNZ | will I notice much difference in speed? |
| 19:12.31 | muh2000 | wyzard thnx i will try that |
| 19:12.37 | LennonNZ | using 64 bit system rather than 32bit system |
| 19:12.41 | Wyzard | LennonNZ: Probably not |
| 19:12.43 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: trickery usually hurts in the bt world |
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| 19:12.53 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: the tracker takes care of it |
| 19:12.54 | d0uglas | trickery?? that's what i'm trying to defend against |
| 19:12.57 | h00t | bye all |
| 19:13.01 | Wyzard | LennonNZ: Not unless you're running scientific applications that actually use huge amounts of RAM |
| 19:13.02 | d0uglas | ok |
| 19:13.14 | bkhl | d0uglas: I like rtorrent. It's featureful and can be run in Screen. |
| 19:13.22 | pelzi_ | the default client saturates my connection. |
| 19:13.32 | LennonNZ | they all have 8G of ram.. runnig a large mail server farm |
| 19:13.35 | d0uglas | bkhl: do you like it more than azureus? |
| 19:13.40 | pelzi_ | and it works, unlike certain clients starting with r that segfault like hell. |
| 19:13.52 | pelzi_ | azureus sucks. |
| 19:13.58 | bkhl | d0uglas: as I said I want to run it in Screen, so GUI clients doesn't enter into the equation for me. |
| 19:13.58 | amphi | rtorrent works well for me |
| 19:14.01 | d0uglas | first time i've heard that |
| 19:14.08 | d0uglas | ok i'll try rtorrent.. thanks. |
| 19:14.13 | pelzi_ | bittornado works great for me. |
| 19:14.16 | cellofellow | I need some help with a samba server |
| 19:14.26 | d0uglas | bittornado? sounds like a cool name |
| 19:14.27 | Wyzard | LennonNZ: though, you might get some benefit because the compiler can use optimizations specific to the newer processors, rather than having to stay compatible with the 386 instruction set |
| 19:14.29 | pelzi_ | and it can be run in screen, and it does not segfault, but pick your own yourself |
| 19:14.45 | bkhl | d0uglas: one recent version of rtorrent was very unstable, but 0.6.2 is solid as a rock for me. |
| 19:14.55 | amphi | pelzi_: rtorrent segfaults for you? |
| 19:15.03 | Wyzard | LennonNZ: 64-bit processors allow individual programs to access more than 2GB of RAM |
| 19:15.07 | pelzi_ | it did the last time I tried |
| 19:15.12 | pelzi_ | maybe the new one works |
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| 19:15.21 | bkhl | d0uglas: bittornado is basically a more experimental and featureful version of the original bittorrent client |
| 19:15.23 | cellofellow | Wyzard: it's 4GB, not 2 |
| 19:15.26 | d0uglas | speaking of unstable p2ps, gtk-gnutella can't handle all my pron demands without crashing too often.. any suggestions there? |
| 19:15.26 | Wyzard | oops |
| 19:15.29 | Wyzard | sorry, typo |
| 19:15.32 | pelzi_ | it had nothing over bittornado for me so I didn't bother |
| 19:15.46 | d0uglas | bkhl: so if i'm not a screen guy, should i try bittornado first? |
| 19:16.02 | pelzi_ | no idea about bittornado's gui |
| 19:16.08 | pelzi_ | I run it in screen on a server |
| 19:16.19 | bkhl | d0uglas: I would go for rtorrent first anyway, since bittornado as well as the original client is lackin in the UI. |
| 19:16.25 | LennonNZ | thanks |
| 19:16.34 | Wyzard | LennonNZ: Basically, 64-bit won't make much difference in performance unless an application is written to take advantage of it (and most applications aren't even capable of taking advantage of it) |
| 19:16.35 | bkhl | d0uglas: rtorrent is superior for running multiple torrents and such. |
| 19:16.41 | d0uglas | well i dont mean to start a torrent client flame war.. i'll just try them and see.. i'll flip a coin |
| 19:16.44 | d0uglas | thanks |
| 19:16.47 | pelzi_ | how? |
| 19:16.48 | Wyzard | LennonNZ: Aside from that, they're just a newer generation of processors |
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| 19:16.56 | pelzi_ | you tell me how it is superior... |
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| 19:17.09 | pelzi_ | btlaunchmany is simple and smart. |
| 19:17.12 | d0uglas | pelzi i don't think he means any disrespect |
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| 19:17.20 | bkhl | d0uglas: I don't feel that strongly about it. I used bittornado for a long while with no trouble, but I found rtorrent and it had some stuff over it, for my purposes. |
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| 19:17.25 | pelzi_ | does exactly what I want. |
| 19:17.35 | d0uglas | bkhl: example? |
| 19:17.44 | pelzi_ | well, I'd be happy to switch if there's something better available |
| 19:17.50 | LennonNZ | they are fast.. on the old 3G Xeon's it I couldn't encode videos in h264 in full PAL with VLC.. with the new ones.. I can |
| 19:18.09 | bkhl | d0uglas: as pelzi_ says you can use btlaunchmany that comes with bittornado for multiple torrents, but I thought that was tedious. |
| 19:18.16 | bkhl | d0uglas: it's a matter of taste. |
| 19:18.20 | Wyzard | LennonNZ: They're fast because they're new and efficient, but that's not related to the 64-bit support |
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| 19:19.32 | pelzi_ | oh well, I'll try rtorrent again once I'm not on gprs |
| 19:19.45 | simonrvn | fucking layer 8 error. disregard |
| 19:20.43 | d0uglas | Damnit. I apt-got the sun java5 jre, i installed the .bin off of sun's site firefox put me on for a manual install, restarted firefox, still no java. Do I have to put something somewhere? |
| 19:21.02 | Wyzard | d0uglas: It's packaged... don't use the .bin from Sun |
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| 19:21.13 | simonrvn | get the debian non-free package |
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| 19:21.19 | d0uglas | Wyzard: right, i got the package (or did i not get the right one) |
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| 19:21.22 | pantalaimon_ | this package flashplugin-nonfree is not working here |
| 19:21.33 | Wyzard | d0uglas: The .deb package |
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| 19:21.39 | Wyzard | d0uglas: not the .bin from Sun's website |
| 19:21.52 | d0uglas | simonrvn: not sun-java5-jre > |
| 19:21.54 | d0uglas | ? |
| 19:22.05 | pantalaimon_ | do i need another package to make flash work? |
| 19:22.16 | xingu | pantalaimon_: you need a minor miracle |
| 19:22.26 | Wyzard | flashplugin-nonfree works fine for me |
| 19:22.30 | Wyzard | no miracles needed |
| 19:22.36 | d0uglas | Wyzard: do i want jamvm? |
| 19:22.55 | Wyzard | d0uglas: No, sun-java5-jre is the right one |
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| 19:23.05 | d0uglas | well that's what i got first |
| 19:23.06 | pantalaimon_ | Wyzard, it didnt make any difference here... maybe i should restart? hahha |
| 19:23.08 | d0uglas | went on smoothly |
| 19:23.17 | Wyzard | d0uglas: Then why were you talking about Sun's .bin? |
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| 19:23.21 | d0uglas | do i need to copy some file into firefox's plugin directory? |
| 19:23.22 | jelly-home | Wyzard: hmm, x86-64 has more general usage registers. That alone may make code more effective and thus faster. I think I saw numbers like 5-20% speedup |
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| 19:23.40 | d0uglas | Wyzard: because i had no luck with the package, figured i'd get the proprietary bin |
| 19:23.48 | d0uglas | before i asked here |
| 19:24.14 | Wyzard | d0uglas: Did you attempt to install that? |
| 19:24.22 | d0uglas | right, apt-get installed it |
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| 19:24.28 | nvz | are there dvd images for the latest sarge update? I made mine a while ago and only seen r0 on the mirror |
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| 19:24.36 | Wyzard | d0uglas: No, I mean the .bin... did you try installing that? |
| 19:24.40 | d0uglas | yes |
| 19:24.46 | d0uglas | went smoothly |
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| 19:24.52 | d0uglas | is that bad? |
| 19:24.59 | Wyzard | d0uglas: Uninstall it and clean up whatever non-packaged crud it may have scattered onto your system |
| 19:25.03 | pantalaimon_ | xingu, you hane any clue why its not working? |
| 19:25.12 | d0uglas | all right.. hope it has an uninstall script.. |
| 19:25.40 | buffer_ | hi all.. How can I do to repair this error in apt-get update? "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.backports.org sarge-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_sarge-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)" |
| 19:25.47 | Wyzard | d0uglas: I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't... which is a big part of *why* pretty much everyone here recommends against installing non-packaged stuff unless you absolutely need to |
| 19:25.52 | Wyzard | buffer_: apt-get update |
| 19:25.54 | d0uglas | Wyzard: shoot, don't see anything like that |
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| 19:26.02 | d0uglas | Wyzard: lesson learned. |
| 19:26.06 | buffer_ | Wyzard "in apt-get update" |
| 19:26.24 | buffer_ | Wyzard this error is returned with apt-get update |
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| 19:26.48 | d0uglas | Wyzard: maybe i should man the java package for any instructions and hope that the .bin install doesn't cause any problems |
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| 19:27.30 | d0uglas | crap no manual entry |
| 19:27.32 | d0uglas | time to google this |
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| 19:27.50 | cellofellow | I have a samba installation with no smb.conf. reinstallation rather. where do I get one? |
| 19:27.56 | Wyzard | d0uglas: If the .bin installer put all its stuff under /usr/local, you can probably clean it out manually without too much trouble |
| 19:28.07 | cellofellow | I want a simple printer server for windows clients. |
| 19:28.12 | Wyzard | d0uglas: If it put files in /usr/bin, /usr/lib, etc. directly, that's a no-no on its part, and a headache for you |
| 19:28.18 | buffer_ | hi all.. How can I do to repair this error -> in apt-get update? <- "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.backports.org sarge-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_sarge-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)" |
| 19:28.25 | LennonNZ | http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx |
| 19:28.32 | LennonNZ | says how d0uglas |
| 19:28.34 | d0uglas | Wyzard: and i guess doing it as root wasn't too bright of me either huh |
| 19:28.43 | bili | IS there a way to make mozzilla auto start when a user logs onto the computer with xwindows ? |
| 19:28.49 | d0uglas | LennonNZ: thanks |
| 19:28.56 | pelzi_ | there is. |
| 19:29.02 | cellofellow | bili: .xinitrc? |
| 19:29.08 | bili | i changed that |
| 19:29.16 | pelzi_ | .xsession |
| 19:29.26 | bili | cellofellow i added /usr/bin.mozilla |
| 19:29.31 | Wyzard | d0uglas: Anyway, if you reinstall the .deb package, that'll probably overwrite most (maybe even all) of the files that Sun's installer put there |
| 19:29.36 | bili | and the line before that i added & |
| 19:29.41 | cougar` | Hey Wyzard |
| 19:29.44 | cougar` | Long time no chat |
| 19:29.47 | nvz | cellofellow: debconf should generate a config, and there is probably one in samba's documentation dir as well |
| 19:29.50 | cougar` | How's it goin? |
| 19:29.50 | cellofellow | bili: shouldn't there be something to do with exec ? |
| 19:29.55 | Wyzard | d0uglas: You can run "cruft" later to find anything that might be left behind |
| 19:30.00 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 19:30.11 | bili | i tried exec /usr/bin ... also but will try it again |
| 19:30.11 | cellofellow | nvz: ok |
| 19:30.24 | d0uglas | Wyzard: all right.. thanks by the way. I'm reading something on debian-administration.org and the link LennonNZ mentioned, if i can't do it i'll come back |
| 19:30.28 | pelzi_ | do you use xinit anyway |
| 19:30.47 | Wyzard | d0uglas: In my experience, installing the .deb package should be all you need |
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| 19:31.07 | Wyzard | d0uglas: but you'll have to completely restart your browser (close all open windows so that the process terminates) for it to take effect |
| 19:31.08 | buffer_ | Wyzard you know repair this error with apt? |
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| 19:31.43 | d0uglas | Wyzard: says here i need to be non root to do this.. hmm. |
| 19:31.50 | Wyzard | buffer_: update, not upgrade |
| 19:31.54 | Wyzard | d0uglas: To do what? |
| 19:32.04 | d0uglas | fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin |
| 19:32.17 | Wyzard | buffer_: upgrade will complain if a package list is missing... update downloads the package lists |
| 19:32.23 | Wyzard | d0uglas: No, don't use make-jpkg |
| 19:32.35 | Wyzard | d0uglas: That's pretty much superseded now that Java is officially packaged in Debian |
| 19:32.55 | d0uglas | ok |
| 19:32.57 | Wyzard | d0uglas: It used to be that Debian couldn't distribute Java, so we had make-jpkg to build the package locally on the user's system, but that's not necessary anymore |
| 19:32.59 | buffer_ | Wyzard I run apt-get update and it is a error message: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.backports.org sarge-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_sarge-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:33.38 | cougar` | Wyzard: I'll say hi to you later, LOL |
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| 19:33.43 | cougar` | U seme to be busy |
| 19:35.11 | Wyzard | buffer_: Even if you run update again? |
| 19:35.43 | Wyzard | cougar`: I remember you as someone I helped with some problem (don't remember what it was) several months ago |
| 19:35.47 | buffer_ | Wyzard yes |
| 19:36.26 | cougar` | Wyzard: Yeah, it was firehol |
| 19:36.30 | cougar` | I believe |
| 19:36.33 | Wyzard | ah, yes |
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| 19:41.02 | george_ | Wyzard: why is make-jpkg unnecessary anymore? |
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| 19:41.21 | george_ | gnu java matured? |
| 19:41.51 | Wyzard | george_: because it was created to work around the fact that Debian couldn't legally distribute Sun Java so there couldn't be Sun Java packages in Debian's archive... Sun changed the license and Debian now has official Java packages in the archive |
| 19:42.03 | Wyzard | george_: (It's still non-free, but Debian can legally distribute it) |
| 19:42.29 | george_ | do you remember the specific part that changed to allow distribution? |
| 19:42.44 | george_ | out of idle curiousity... "no" is fine :) |
| 19:43.06 | Wyzard | Not offhand... but if you google for "Distributor's License for Java" you'll probably find info |
| 19:43.17 | Wyzard | I think that's what it's called |
| 19:43.47 | george_ | was debian specifically granted a distributors license? (so people can get the packages but NOT distribute them further)? |
| 19:44.14 | pelzi_ | wasn't debian against that |
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| 19:45.08 | Wyzard | george_: No, it was a general license change that applies to anyone |
| 19:45.33 | george_ | ahh |
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| 19:47.29 | george_ | that should mean people can get source, build it and distribute the result |
| 19:48.54 | Wyzard | no, it's still closed-source |
| 19:49.15 | Wyzard | (Sun has announced an intention to make Java open-source, but they haven't actually done it yet) |
| 19:49.21 | Wyzard | That's why the packages are in non-free |
| 19:50.29 | techno__ | !mplayer |
| 19:50.29 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 19:51.51 | pelzi_ | java is </3 anyway |
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| 19:54.25 | elik_laptop | Wyzard, hum, you seem to know a lot about java |
| 19:54.42 | elik_laptop | Wyzard, I recently installed it by hand as I didnt find the package |
| 19:55.00 | Wyzard | not really... I read about the license change on Digg, I think, and saw the package when it entered unstable |
| 19:55.16 | Wyzard | I don't know if it's in etch yet, and it's definitely not in sarge |
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| 19:55.23 | elik_laptop | Wyzard, only found a free equivalent, free-java-sdk |
| 19:55.52 | elik_laptop | Wyzard, ok, I found the same thing, it was in Etch, but was removed for obscure reason |
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| 19:57.41 | qailer | hiya guys, I'm in the mood for removing all desktop.ini 's I've got in several folders, now I wonder, is there any flags for rm making it possible removing all desktop.ini 's in all the subfolders I got? |
| 19:57.56 | pelzi_ | find. |
| 19:58.22 | multi_io | find . -name desktop.ini | xargs rm -f |
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| 19:58.52 | qailer | multi_io, thx |
| 19:58.58 | elik_laptop | ah, multi_io, you're still here :D |
| 19:59.11 | elik_laptop | multi_io, we can continue where we started 5 hrs ago :P |
| 19:59.11 | Merchant | guys. i used ulimit -n on a user,and it said denied. when i use in root and log into a user it work, but the user session tat alrdy open still 1024.. someone help me to increase the value to all session? is it possible? |
| 19:59.29 | multi_io | find . -name desktop.ini -exec rm -f {} \; is even better (if you have whitespace in your folder names) |
| 19:59.41 | techno__ | how can I read a dvd on debian? |
| 20:00.02 | multi_io | elik_laptop: :-P |
| 20:00.07 | qailer | multi_io, I see, great |
| 20:00.18 | elik_laptop | multi_io, last thing I wanted to know this morning... |
| 20:00.33 | elik_laptop | multi_io, I want to make a shortcut to start Eclipse in gnome... |
| 20:00.45 | viashino | hi, I have a problem with X. My keyboard layout is working fine outside xfce. But when I enter xfce it doesn't work. How can I change it to be the same as the console? |
| 20:00.54 | elik_laptop | multi_io, for now, I can only start it from it's own directory as it looks for startup.jar in "."... |
| 20:01.22 | multi_io | ok... |
| 20:01.25 | elik_laptop | multi_io, is there any other way of doing a shortcut without creating a script that will cd to eclipse directory to start it? |
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| 20:02.22 | techno__ | how can I read a dvd on debian? |
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| 20:02.32 | pelzi_ | what kind of dvd |
| 20:02.45 | qailer | multi_io, hrm, still there, I've got it in subfolder/subfolder, does that make any different? |
| 20:02.58 | multi_io | elik_laptop: /bin/sh -c 'cd the/directory && eclipse' |
| 20:03.14 | cellofellow | Samba is so complicated. How do I set up a print server on a network set up with the Windows Home Network wizard? |
| 20:03.15 | Merchant | someone help me with ulimit command? |
| 20:03.42 | pelzi_ | no idea how the windows wizards do things... |
| 20:03.43 | elik_laptop | multi_io, hum... that seems like a huge patch :( |
| 20:03.49 | multi_io | elik_laptop: if gnome supports parameters quoted with '' in its command entry box or whatever |
| 20:04.18 | d0uglas | Wyzard: got it working man.. thanks again |
| 20:04.23 | multi_io | qailer: find subfilder/subfolder -name desktop.ini -exec rm -f {} \; |
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| 20:05.46 | multi_io | elik_laptop: maybe you can also directly enter "cd the/directory && eclipse" into the command line box of the link? |
| 20:05.58 | depulser | what is a good file explorer other than nautilus and konquerer ?... |
| 20:05.59 | multi_io | depends on exactly how Gnome runs it |
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| 20:06.14 | cellofellow | some help with samba? |
| 20:06.25 | cellofellow | y |
| 20:06.29 | cellofellow | oops |
| 20:06.36 | multi_io | elik_laptop: what do you mean with "huge patch"? it just one line :-P |
| 20:06.37 | d0uglas | cellofellow: man, you're still struggling with that thing? |
| 20:06.43 | multi_io | *it's |
| 20:06.43 | qailer | multi_io, there's plenty subfolders, I need some kind of automatic execution like the one before |
| 20:06.48 | d0uglas | you're determined, i'll give you that |
| 20:06.52 | cellofellow | d0uglas: yep. it's been a real pain. |
| 20:07.09 | elik_laptop | multi_io, it's not that it's complicated, just that it doesnt seem like it's the way it should be working... |
| 20:07.29 | elik_laptop | multi_io, but would probably make it work |
| 20:07.31 | basscr | i have an acer laptop with no floppy/cdrom, is there a way to run the debian-net-install from my desktop pc within a network |
| 20:07.35 | d0uglas | cellofellow: did you try putting in a sample smb conf from a working debian system to tweak with your own hosts and ips etc |
| 20:07.49 | pelzi_ | if the lappy can pxe boot |
| 20:07.53 | pelzi_ | or use an usb stick |
| 20:07.56 | multi_io | elik_laptop: maybe Gnome allows you to explicitly set a working directory? That would work as well, of course |
| 20:08.14 | elik_laptop | multi_io, anything special with && or just make 2 commands on 1 line? |
| 20:08.24 | cellofellow | d0uglas: can't seem to find any. There aren't any in the docs, but there are like 3 full books on samba in there that I don't have time to read. |
| 20:08.27 | elik_laptop | multi_io, I'll read on, but didnt see anything to set a working dir |
| 20:08.35 | multi_io | qailer: "plenty of subfolders"? |
| 20:08.49 | d0uglas | cellofellow: how about googling debian sample smb.conf |
| 20:09.03 | cellofellow | d0uglas: tried, that, but will again. |
| 20:09.06 | multi_io | elik_laptop: the && just means that if teh cd fails, the eclipse command shouldn't be run |
| 20:09.11 | d0uglas | sounds like yours is totally busted |
| 20:09.14 | elik_laptop | oh, k |
| 20:09.27 | multi_io | it's good shell programming pratice to do it like this, if you will :) |
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| 20:09.50 | cellofellow | d0uglas: I just reinstalled, and it didn't put in a smb.conf file. I wanted the scratch file. t'weren't there. |
| 20:10.04 | qailer | multi_io, maybe I'm expressing myself wrong, |
| 20:10.04 | qailer | I've got like this: Artists/Albums/Music + desktop.ini |
| 20:10.07 | multi_io | qailer: you'd run the find once for each one of those subfolders |
| 20:10.10 | d0uglas | cellofellow: maybe you could get someone to dcc you theirs.. or if it isn't there at all, you could apt reinstall it |
| 20:10.11 | viashino | basscr: you should look to netboot, using PXE network boot |
| 20:10.33 | d0uglas | i'm on a new system that isn't set up |
| 20:10.37 | d0uglas | for samba |
| 20:10.38 | qailer | multi_io, ok, that'll take some time though ..hehe |
| 20:10.41 | cellofellow | d0uglas: reinstalled like three times, with purge. |
| 20:11.01 | valdyn | cellofellow: the package to purge and reinstall isnt samba |
| 20:11.11 | SPF | what's the 2.6.x kernel version of the latest debian's release? |
| 20:11.14 | cellofellow | valdyn: what then? |
| 20:11.19 | valdyn | cellofellow: so did you purge and reinstall samba-common? |
| 20:11.19 | qailer | thx for taking interest multi_io |
| 20:11.22 | multi_io | qailer: well, if you have some way to get the list of those subfolders automatically, you can automate it all into one shell command |
| 20:11.30 | cellofellow | valdyn: nope, |
| 20:12.13 | multi_io | you can also provide patterns to find, e.g. find . -path '*bla/*foo??/*/desktop.ini' ... etc. |
| 20:13.03 | cellofellow | ok, after I purge samba-common, how do I get a non-security focused samba server set up, with no usernames, passwords, or authentication of any kind? |
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| 20:13.21 | valdyn | cellofellow: read the documentation |
| 20:13.31 | d0uglas | cellofellow: did you do what valdyn said |
| 20:13.37 | d0uglas | with samba common |
| 20:13.37 | qailer | hrm, then I nead ./*/*/desktop.ini |
| 20:13.41 | cellofellow | valdyn: there is so much of it! |
| 20:14.00 | cellofellow | d0uglas: working on it. I was installing security updates ate the moment |
| 20:14.16 | multi_io | qailer: find . -path './*/*/desktop.ini' -exec rm -f {} \; |
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| 20:14.33 | multi_io | (not sure, but should work) |
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| 20:15.09 | valdyn | cellofellow: its sufficient to read /etc/samba/smb.conf, with few deduction |
| 20:15.10 | multi_io | qailer: you can do a "dry run" to see which files would get deleted by running find . -path './*/*/desktop.ini' -exec echo rm -f {} \; |
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| 20:16.05 | qailer | multi_io, no one =/ |
| 20:16.07 | cellofellow | valdyn: ok, maybe I just shouldn't have tried swat. |
| 20:16.29 | douglas | cellofellow: you done with these security updates or what bro |
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| 20:17.40 | cellofellow | douglas: yes. the samba-common preconfigs are showing up. if I put my samba server in the same workgroup as the clients, will that sort of possibly mess up the network. |
| 20:17.42 | cellofellow | ? |
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| 20:18.02 | valdyn | cellofellow: no |
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| 20:18.30 | cellofellow | well, ok I thought that maybe that's why my windows clients can no longer connect to eachother, |
| 20:18.30 | Kurtism | I keep getting errors when I go to compile ndiswrapper... |
| 20:18.33 | Kurtism | Can't find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/build; |
| 20:18.34 | Kurtism | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.34 | Kurtism | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.48 | Kurtism | which doesn't seem to work |
| 20:18.48 | multi_io | qailer: you're doing sth wrong then :) |
| 20:19.03 | qailer | multi_io: aviosly :) |
| 20:19.08 | nn_ | hi |
| 20:19.08 | Kurtism | even though I have linux-headers linux-kbuild and linux-tree |
| 20:19.11 | douglas | cellofellow: if you want one that works for browsing at least (i haven't bothered setting it up beyond that), in order to start over with something that though is incomplete it is not broked, grab mine off of http://assambassador.com/~asdf/smb.conf |
| 20:19.14 | cellofellow | do windows 98 and ME work ok with with password encryption |
| 20:19.24 | Kurtism | ls /usr/src |
| 20:19.24 | Kurtism | kernel-patches linux linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 linux-kbuild-2.6.17 modules |
| 20:19.25 | valdyn | Kurtism: do you have linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
| 20:19.29 | multi_io | you must run the command from a directory which contains a directory which contains a directory which contains a desktop.ini |
| 20:19.32 | cellofellow | douglas: ok |
| 20:19.37 | douglas | cellofellow: i think they work only with encrypted ones |
| 20:19.38 | Kurtism | yeah I do see that ls command on /usr/src |
| 20:19.39 | douglas | not certain |
| 20:19.52 | valdyn | Kurtism: did you use module-assistant? |
| 20:20.06 | Kurtism | /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686/ |
| 20:20.11 | Kurtism | no |
| 20:20.13 | Kurtism | well yeah I did |
| 20:20.21 | valdyn | !ndiswrapper |
| 20:20.22 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 20:20.22 | Kurtism | first I didn't |
| 20:20.23 | Kurtism | then I did |
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| 20:20.33 | valdyn | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 20:20.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 20:20.37 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | what's the command to autoconfigure dhcp? |
| 20:20.49 | Kurtism | I want to build ndiswrapper 1.27 though and it needs kernel headers and source |
| 20:20.50 | cellofellow | well, I was just wondering if the problem might have been windows98 complaining about encryption. I guess not. |
| 20:20.56 | Kurtism | kbuild and ksrc |
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| 20:21.15 | douglas | cellofellow: i'm not sure about that, i shouldn't have answered |
| 20:21.19 | valdyn | !info ndiswrapper-source sid |
| 20:21.27 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-source: (Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.23-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 145 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 20:21.41 | Kurtism | 1.27 was released today |
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| 20:22.27 | qailer | multi_io, I got it now |
| 20:22.28 | qailer | thx |
| 20:22.34 | Kurtism | a link from /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/build to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686/ should be sufficient shouldn't it? |
| 20:23.07 | cellofellow | on a different note, how do I set my server's time off of NTP? the hardware clock resets occasionally. |
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| 20:24.19 | Kurtism | or should it be to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686/linux-kbuild-2.6.17/ |
| 20:24.29 | enouf | !tell cellofellow about ntp |
| 20:24.37 | Kurtism | !linux-kbuild |
| 20:25.18 | Kurtism | !build-essential |
| 20:25.19 | dpkg | build-essential is probably If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. This package contains an informational list of packages which are considered essential for building Debian packages. or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit |
| 20:26.36 | douglas | Hey now! opengl (or fglrx or mesa or something) is working out of nowhere! i've been through hell trying to get this going with my ati radeon .. sorry just had to share this with you all |
| 20:26.38 | enouf | Kurtism: /msg dpkg kp (and/or) make-kpkg perhaps, if module assistant isn't what you want |
| 20:26.53 | douglas | google earth here i come |
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| 20:29.06 | Kurtism | what I need is the source and build dir for me to compile ndiswrapper from source |
| 20:29.17 | Kurtism | kernel source and kernel build |
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| 20:32.48 | SPF | which package contains scp? |
| 20:33.31 | Hydroxid1 | SPF: ssh (on sarge) or openssh-client (post-sarge) |
| 20:33.32 | rvsjoen | I keep getting these nasty errors when installing/removing packages.. anyone seem it before ? http://rvs.pastebin.ca/214028 |
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| 20:37.17 | cellofellow | douglas: how do I use user security in smaba when I've got windows 98 clients? I don't have a domain to log onto for them to use usernames with. |
| 20:38.09 | elik_laptop | When I start eclipse, it searches for a jar file in the current directory... thus, if I start it from my home, it gives an error because it can't find the file... how can I change that without creating a starting script? |
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| 20:42.31 | cellofellow | what command can I use for printing the CUPS test page? |
| 20:43.33 | cellofellow | hello? |
| 20:43.49 | cellofellow | It got really quiet. |
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| 20:46.49 | cellofellow | What are PDC's and BDC's? |
| 20:47.21 | valdyn | cellofellow: primary domain controller and backup domain controller. Nothing that concerns you if you're using win98 |
| 20:48.11 | cellofellow | ok. douglas's smb.conf says "domain logons = yes". should I change that to no? |
| 20:48.29 | valdyn | cellofellow: you dont need a domain to log into for authentication to your samba server, samba can have standard unix users log in |
| 20:49.09 | cellofellow | valdyn: ok, but when I get an authentication box in windows 98 asking for a password it doesn't ask for a username. |
| 20:49.34 | valdyn | cellofellow: that's win98, the user is the one you're logged into your win98 |
| 20:49.46 | cellofellow | valdyn: is that a yes or a no on domain logons? |
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| 20:49.54 | valdyn | cellofellow: a no |
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| 20:50.09 | cellofellow | valdyn: ok. win98 doesn't really take users seriously. |
| 20:50.32 | valdyn | cellofellow: yea, i know, you still pick the name when logging in |
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| 20:51.17 | valdyn | cellofellow: you could have win98 authenticate against a pdc, i was guessing that you dont want or need that |
| 20:51.45 | cellofellow | valdyn: yeah, with only likefour computers, it's overkill. |
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| 20:53.59 | Snadder | Hi. I got a problem with syslog or crontab |
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| 20:54.18 | Snadder | No entries in my syslog file for some days. |
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| 20:54.28 | Snadder | And cron commands dosnt get executed |
| 20:54.33 | valdyn | Snadder: /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 20:54.35 | Snadder | even if crontab -l shows them |
| 20:54.42 | valdyn | Snadder: and /etc/init.d/cron restart |
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| 20:55.08 | roxy_ | Could someone manage to get the internal browser of eclipse running on amd64 ? |
| 20:55.25 | roxy_ | I can't seem to get the proper lib |
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| 20:55.32 | valdyn | roxy_: i can try |
| 20:55.43 | Snadder | valdyn, seems like sysklogd wasnt installed.. |
| 20:55.52 | Snadder | valdyn, wondring what have happend.. |
| 20:56.00 | valdyn | Snadder: you removed it |
| 20:56.13 | valdyn | roxy_: how to i get to that 'internal browser' ? |
| 20:56.23 | Snadder | any way I can assure that all nessecary programs is installed? |
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| 20:56.35 | Snadder | for keeping the system up.. like a normal shell server |
| 20:56.55 | valdyn | Snadder: you can use dselect, it devides programs by base / required / optional |
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| 20:57.19 | roxy_ | valdyn: normally you start eclipse like: MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/XXXX LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME}:${LD_LIBRARY_PATH} /opt/eclipse/eclipse |
| 20:57.28 | valdyn | roxy_: oh geez |
| 20:57.32 | valdyn | roxy_: i use the debian package |
| 20:57.40 | roxy_ | with MO... pointing to your mozilla directory |
| 20:57.48 | roxy_ | valdyn: is it 3.2.1 ? |
| 20:58.00 | valdyn | roxy_: eclipse is started, wheres that browser? |
| 20:58.11 | valdyn | roxy_: 3.1.2-2 |
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| 20:59.12 | roxy_ | valdyn: can you go to Preferences->general->web browser and select internal browser ? |
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| 21:00.07 | douglas | any plugins for k3b or other apps to make [k/s]vcds? |
| 21:00.25 | valdyn | roxy_: File / Edit / Navigate / Search / PRoject / Run / Window / Help, no preferences |
| 21:00.41 | valdyn | roxy_: nm |
| 21:00.52 | roxy_ | valdyn: Window -> preferences |
| 21:01.12 | cellofellow | valdyn: I have an internal DNS server, and I can't connect with samba. segmentation faults. |
| 21:01.18 | valdyn | roxy_: internal web browser is selected |
| 21:02.35 | roxy_ | valdyn: do you have mozilla installed ? |
| 21:02.39 | valdyn | cellofellow: what does your dns server have to do with samba? What's crashing? |
| 21:02.52 | valdyn | roxy_: yea, mozilla-browser is required to run eclipse |
| 21:03.05 | valdyn | roxy_: or so it told me when _running_ it, wasnt an install dependency |
| 21:03.31 | douglas | no vcd burning apps for debian? |
| 21:03.45 | valdyn | douglas: plenty, what do you need exactly? |
| 21:04.03 | roxy_ | valdyn: are you on unstable ? I am on amd64/testing and aptitude search mozilla-browser return nothing |
| 21:04.12 | valdyn | roxy_: unstable |
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| 21:04.55 | raseed | Hey guys I have a .rar file I need to uncompress what can I download to do this under debian sarge? |
| 21:05.07 | valdyn | raseed: p7zip or unrar |
| 21:05.13 | cellofellow | valdyn: well, last time it was doing this was because my samba client wasn't working because it was resolving the netbios names with DNS, and the dns names didn't match the samba names. they match now, but it's doing it again. |
| 21:05.25 | roxy_ | valdyn: using this pc to work can't put unstable. I'll try to just pin this package. thanks for your help |
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| 21:06.48 | stranger_ | hi all |
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| 21:08.12 | cellofellow | how do I use /etc/init.d to restart a daemon? |
| 21:08.14 | stranger_ | I think I am ready.. again.. to use Debian Testing, this time Etch, just a precaution measure, do I need anything special other than changing stable to testing in sources.list and apt-get upgate ; apt-get dist-apgrade? |
| 21:08.31 | valdyn | cellofellow: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 21:08.40 | stranger_ | s/apgrade/upgrade |
| 21:09.15 | valdyn | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 21:09.15 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 21:09.16 | stranger_ | say.. do I need to kill X before? |
| 21:09.42 | stranger_ | thanks valdyn |
| 21:09.44 | valdyn | stranger_: no |
| 21:10.05 | stranger_ | valdyn, so it will change to x.org on the fly? |
| 21:10.28 | valdyn | stranger_: X will be changed, only newly started X is affected |
| 21:10.33 | raseed | valdyn, well this is the strange thing, i am 100% sure I have installed unrar on sarge before but it doesn't exist in the sarge repos?? |
| 21:10.46 | valdyn | !rar |
| 21:10.47 | dpkg | methinks rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
| 21:10.48 | valdyn | !unrar |
| 21:10.48 | dpkg | it has been said that unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 21:10.56 | cellofellow | valdyn: I have gfam.local, a DNS name, and Gfam is the netbios name. should I scrap the .local bit? |
| 21:11.06 | valdyn | raseed: you have non-free sources? |
| 21:11.26 | raseed | Not sure, I am currently installing p7zip atm. |
| 21:11.33 | raseed | I have the default which come with sarge. |
| 21:11.48 | valdyn | cellofellow: no idea, this is to long ago, try to avoid netbios.. |
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| 21:12.09 | valdyn | cellofellow: cant win98 get along just with dns? |
| 21:12.14 | cellofellow | valdyn: I said netbios meant windows networking |
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| 21:12.22 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 21:12.47 | valdyn | cellofellow: you're as confused as me i think |
| 21:12.51 | cellofellow | valdyn: this isn't win98 having problems connecting actually it's kubuntu, my desktop. |
| 21:13.04 | karsten | cellofellow: WINS |
| 21:13.16 | valdyn | cellofellow: this has nothing to do with dns names then, just use IP instead of names till this works |
| 21:13.27 | Rug | I have a drive with GIGS of bad inodes and now-with missing data. Is (A) my drive almost dead, or (B) just in need of a reformat? |
| 21:13.33 | cellofellow | ok |
| 21:13.36 | karsten | cellofellow: It's the Windows workgroup name service, might be an issue. |
| 21:14.05 | cellofellow | karsten: I don't have a WINS server and don't really want one. overkill. |
| 21:14.05 | karsten | Rug: The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about fight club. |
| 21:14.16 | lindenle | I cant seem to get imapproxy off of my machine apt-get keeps failing with error in pre-removal script. Any advice? |
| 21:14.21 | karsten | Rug: The first rule of corrupting data on disk is don't trust that disk. |
| 21:14.24 | Rug | yes, love that movie. |
| 21:14.35 | valdyn | Rug: its dead |
| 21:14.38 | karsten | cellofellow: What I'm saying is that WINS and DNS can conflict. Rule that out. |
| 21:14.54 | karsten | Rug: Look in your system / kern log for CRC / read/seek complete errors, etc. |
| 21:15.04 | valdyn | Rug: you may want to use smartmontools to confirm that the error is reall the disk hardware |
| 21:15.34 | cellofellow | karsten: i've done nothing with WINS really. I know that windows names and dns names can conflict. but right now I've go a kubuntu box that insists on using dns which isn't working right now. |
| 21:15.40 | Rug | yeah, about what I figured, BUT the power has gone out a few times in recent weeks, so I was hoping that ext3, just didn't like the sudden loss of power. (Counter argument: why would all my other drives be fine.) So in summary, yeah, about what I thought. |
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| 21:16.04 | karsten | Rug: Also check physical connections, cabling, etc. In general, disk errors tend to propogate. |
| 21:16.10 | karsten | Rug: smartmontools is a good idea. |
| 21:16.17 | Rug | yeah thanks |
| 21:16.23 | Rug | I will look into it |
| 21:16.29 | karsten | Rug: ... and yes, odd shutdowns can do things like that, still generally not a good sign though. |
| 21:16.37 | karsten | cellofellow: How isn't DNS working/ |
| 21:16.43 | karsten | cellofellow: s,/,?, |
| 21:17.20 | cellofellow | karsten: I dunno, the computer that I want to cconnect to won't respond to its dns name. it's a win98 computer. |
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| 21:18.06 | karsten | cellofellow: Is it configured to use the local nameserver? Does it resolve its own IP to the appropriate address? |
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| 21:18.53 | cellofellow | karsten: yeah, it usually works. I think I may have the windows dns name set different than the server's dns name. |
| 21:18.59 | valdyn | this is quite confusing, computers dont respond to dns names, they only respond to their ip, the dns name gets resolved locally querying a dns server or /etc/hosts |
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| 21:19.53 | cellofellow | valdyn: well, this computer wasn't working with IP addresses in smbclient either. mabe something different? |
| 21:20.13 | valdyn | cellofellow: defenitely |
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| 21:20.30 | syntaxx | [jre] adding 'deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody main non-free' to your sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get install j2re1.3 this works on sarge? |
| 21:20.55 | valdyn | cellofellow: ping it, nmap it from remote, netstat -plunt locally, telnet the samba ports |
| 21:21.29 | cellofellow | valdyn: I just finished rebooting it. So, one second... |
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| 21:23.23 | valdyn | cellofellow: win98 is not involved in your current issue, right? |
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| 21:25.47 | cellofellow | valdyn: two issues: 1) Samba server not printable from windows. 2) kubuntu desktop not connecting to samba network something to do with dns. |
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| 21:27.49 | cellofellow | maybe I should scrap DNS and us the /etc/hosts file. |
| 21:27.57 | cellofellow | wait, windows doesn't do that. |
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| 21:28.30 | valdyn | cellofellow: it can do that, the hosts file is just buried in c:\windows\<somewhere> |
| 21:28.47 | cellofellow | oh |
| 21:28.57 | Rug | Odd thing; SMART says that nothing is wrong witht he drive |
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| 21:29.19 | valdyn | Rug: maybe you dont really have bad sectors |
| 21:29.38 | valdyn | Rug: a) have a broken cabling or controller or b) misinterpreted error messages |
| 21:29.40 | Rug | valdyn: fubar controller? |
| 21:29.50 | Rug | ack |
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| 21:30.10 | yungknight | i've setup ndiswrapper and i am able to scan wireless access points. my problem is that dhcp is not resolving or something. i've gotten it to work before but it's like i'm missing a step this time |
| 21:30.20 | valdyn | Rug: fsck finding man 'bad' blocks has nothing to do with hardware errors |
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| 21:30.26 | valdyn | Rug: fsck finding many 'bad' blocks has nothing to do with hardware errors |
| 21:31.25 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | I'm trying to work some LVM magic |
| 21:31.53 | valdyn | Rug: just run the badblocks tool on your disk, if it doesnt find errors your hardware should be fine |
| 21:32.32 | yungknight | is there anything else i should be doing to use my wireless connection? iwlist wlan0 does return a few access points. |
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| 21:33.06 | valdyn | yungknight: are you connected to any ap? |
| 21:33.23 | yungknight | yes right now it's on an open ap |
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| 21:33.37 | valdyn | yungknight: run 'dhclient wlan0' |
| 21:33.53 | Rug | Symptoms: My filesystem is in read-only mode on that drive. so I check/change/ and re-check permissions. nothing that I change alters the RO status. Now disk starts not-mounting. So I run fsck and get thousands of bad inodes. Now I am trying to copy data off of the drive with _most_ of the data unreadable (0 file size). |
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| 21:34.20 | yungknight | valdyn: i did that |
| 21:34.20 | valdyn | Rug: filesystem has errors, that has nothing to do with hardware |
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| 21:34.48 | xp_prg | what package holds ncftpget? |
| 21:34.52 | Rug | Why would ext3 pitch a fit as bad as this? |
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| 21:35.47 | valdyn | Rug: when power goes out ( or even worse if it degrades ) a disk may keep doing what its currently doing. If its writing it may keep writable random trash |
| 21:36.10 | valdyn | s/writable/writing/ |
| 21:37.03 | Rug | xp_prg: ncftp ?!!? |
| 21:37.04 | Jemt | Greetz. I have been running the Vesa driver for a few days, because the Open Source ATI driver made my system freeze (lock up). Vesa works fine, but not when I'm watching video recordings from my cam corder. I want to install the ATI binary driver - but can it really be true that it will only work with Xorg above version 8.29.6 ? (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBList.asp?folderID=358) |
| 21:37.08 | valdyn | Rug: write off the data, reinitialise the fs |
| 21:37.29 | Jemt | Never mind - it's the driver version >.< |
| 21:37.32 | Rug | valdyn: ok worth a try |
| 21:37.33 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | valdyn, the hdd keeps writing? there's nothing to stop it? |
| 21:37.42 | xp_prg | right Rug, do you know gpg? |
| 21:37.54 | Rug | a bit yeah |
| 21:37.59 | valdyn | [5D]Silent_Chaos: it will autopark as soon as power is low enough i guess |
| 21:38.00 | xp_prg | what is the package? |
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| 21:38.11 | Rug | for ncftpget? |
| 21:38.17 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | would fsck be able to recover the data? |
| 21:38.20 | xp_prg | I am trying to setup cpan |
| 21:38.25 | xp_prg | it needs gpg for some reason |
| 21:38.39 | dererk | hi again :) |
| 21:38.45 | Rug | xp_prg: it prolly want a private key generated |
| 21:39.00 | dererk | I'm having problems creating the reverses for some IPs on my bind zones |
| 21:39.09 | valdyn | [5D]Silent_Chaos: surely not, overwritten data is just gone for your home equippement, but you can pay professionals who may be able to recover once overwritten things |
| 21:40.00 | xp_prg | I found it gnupg |
| 21:40.42 | smacnay__ | Is there a script for setting up exim4 (or re-configuring) ? |
| 21:40.57 | valdyn | smacnay__: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:41.10 | dererk | http://paste.debian.net/15316 |
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| 21:41.33 | dererk | I'm trying to create the reverse, but dunno why It's not working :\ |
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| 21:42.05 | smacnay__ | valdyn: thanks - that will leave everything as is unless I make a change? |
| 21:42.36 | dererk | Could somebody give me a hand? http://paste.debian.net/15316 |
| 21:42.59 | valdyn | smacnay__: it will write whatever you selected to /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf and run update-exim4.conf |
| 21:43.17 | valdyn | smacnay__: while keeping your own stuff in there or elsewhere |
| 21:43.22 | smacnay__ | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:44.26 | Caelum | debian xterm is 256 color now, neat |
| 21:44.41 | Caelum | but rxvt-unicode still kicks its butt |
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| 21:46.05 | kingsley_ | Why would typing "xhost +LOCAL:" in an xterm allow other users' applications to open windows, but putting "-" followed by "+LOCAL:" in /etc/X0.hosts would not? |
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| 21:46.56 | Rug | Caelum: What is so good about rxvt? I keep hearing of it's awesomeness, but why?? |
| 21:47.14 | pelzi_ | urxvt Just Works, etc. |
| 21:47.28 | Guerin | !xhost |
| 21:47.29 | dpkg | xhost is probably EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 21:47.36 | Caelum | Rug: install rxvt-unicode-ml and you'll see. I'll paste my .Xdefaults section for it |
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| 21:48.02 | Guerin | it's been so long since I used xterm I can't remember what it does |
| 21:48.12 | Guerin | the main thing is that urxvt doesn't eat alt |
| 21:48.23 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 21:48.39 | pelzi_ | and it is sane with unicode |
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| 21:49.06 | Rug | ok installed. |
| 21:50.22 | Caelum | Rug: http://paste.debian.net/15317 |
| 21:50.38 | smacnay__ | valdyn: where in exim4 do I alter where it puts user mail? |
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| 21:52.31 | Rug | Caelum: does .Xdefaults go in ~/ ? |
| 21:53.00 | Caelum | Rug: yup, and do an xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
| 21:53.21 | Rug | xrdb? what is that? |
| 21:53.49 | Caelum | x resource data base |
| 21:53.55 | Caelum | most new X apps don't use it anymore, but old ones did |
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| 21:55.35 | Rug | so the fonts look nicer? |
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| 21:57.27 | seb-- | what file do i specify my WEP key in? |
| 21:57.27 | Rug | ok thanks, I'll give it a try for awhile. |
| 21:57.42 | pollywog | are there backported kernels for Sarge? |
| 21:58.03 | dererk | ! backports |
| 21:58.03 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 21:58.26 | seb-- | ! simple sid backports |
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| 21:58.35 | seb-- | simple sid backports |
| 21:58.35 | pollywog | yes but I wonder if backported kernels exist |
| 21:58.41 | seb-- | hmm,,, didn't work for me |
| 21:58.45 | seb-- | ! simple sid backport |
| 21:58.46 | dpkg | hmm... simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 21:59.00 | dererk | pollywog, can't you check there? |
| 21:59.07 | seb-- | pollywog: see dpkg's info on how make your own above |
| 21:59.32 | seb-- | what file do i specify my WEP key in? |
| 21:59.39 | pollywog | I can do it but I had to use kernel.org sources :) |
| 21:59.49 | Wyzard | seb-: Ideeally you should use NetworkManager |
| 22:00.03 | Wyzard | though I don't think it's in sarge |
| 22:00.09 | dererk | pollywog, ?????????? |
| 22:00.25 | dererk | I meant to check the web .... http://backports.org/ |
| 22:00.36 | pollywog | tnx |
| 22:00.40 | pollywog | will do |
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| 22:03.41 | pollywog | oh yes it's there |
| 22:03.52 | pollywog | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6.16/ |
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| 22:04.55 | Rug | What is the difference between urxvt & rxvt? |
| 22:05.05 | dondelelcaro | Rug: unicode |
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| 22:05.38 | Rug | Is unicode only needed/used for European non-latin characters? |
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| 22:06.33 | Caelum | urxvt doesn't only support unicode, it does a lot of other stuff, like xft fonts |
| 22:07.02 | Caelum | it's basically the new version of rxvt |
| 22:07.08 | Jemt | Greetz. Can someone please help me get my ATI Binary driver to work ? I have installed it and changed 'Driver' from 'vesa' to 'fglrx' in the |
| 22:07.19 | Jemt | Greetz. Can someone please help me get my ATI Binary driver to work ? I have installed it and changed 'Driver' from 'vesa' to 'fglrx' in the 'Device' section - but it dosn't work |
| 22:07.26 | Rug | ahh ok, and the main difference between xterm & urxvt is the font support? |
| 22:07.53 | dondelelcaro | Rug: urxvt is based on rxvt; xterm is a totally different codebase. |
| 22:07.56 | valdyn | Rug: xterm supports all fonts too |
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| 22:08.10 | Wyzard | Rug: The point of Unicode is to cover every writing system used by humans anywhere in the world, so that everyone can use Unicode and not have to deal with different character sets in different regions |
| 22:08.26 | Caelum | valdyn: even xft fonts? |
| 22:08.41 | Wyzard | Rug: It's not *needed* anywhere, since there are existing character sets that can be used instead, but it's useful everywhere |
| 22:08.47 | Jemt | BRB |
| 22:08.53 | valdyn | Caelum: yea |
| 22:09.06 | Rug | I am not trying to be thick (it's a gift), but besides Anti-Aliasing of fonts why is urxvt better then xterm? |
| 22:09.26 | pollywog | Rug: I have that gift as well |
| 22:09.37 | Wyzard | correct display of characters in any language, I guess |
| 22:09.43 | pollywog | I think people have regifted |
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| 22:09.44 | Wyzard | (assuming you have the right fonts available) |
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| 22:10.38 | Rug | Wyzard: so if I don't care about anything other then English. |
| 22:10.47 | pollywog | I really didn't think kernel-image backports were available, but they are :) |
| 22:10.51 | Wyzard | Rug: there's still no harm in using it |
| 22:11.11 | pollywog | uh oh though |
| 22:11.21 | pollywog | apt is fetching lilo |
| 22:11.37 | Rug | I like the AA fonts. I am just wondering if there were other reasons that made urxvt better. |
| 22:11.44 | Jemt | Could someone help me get the ATI Binary driver installed? My video card is a Mobility M6. I'm using Xorg 7.x from Testing Repositories. I have installed the driver and changed the 'driver' option in the 'Device' section from 'vesa' to 'fglrx' - but when I start X, it complains about "No screens found". |
| 22:11.59 | valdyn | !noscreensfound |
| 22:11.59 | dpkg | [noscreensfound] probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 22:12.08 | Wyzard | Rug: There's other stuff in Unicode besides "foreign" characters... lots more punctuation, mathematical symbols, icons, etc. |
| 22:12.16 | pollywog | why would apt download lilo... I use GRUB |
| 22:12.21 | Rug | Wyzard: ahh ok |
| 22:12.46 | pollywog | I think I will not mess with this kernel backport |
| 22:13.50 | Wyzard | Rug: For example, the ellipsis character (…), which is not the same thing as three periods (...) |
| 22:13.50 | keith80403 | Are there archives on debian.org where iso's of old releases can be downloaded - e.g. potato? |
| 22:14.18 | Wyzard | Rug: And if you saw nonsense between that first pair of parentheses, that's why you need Unicode support :-) |
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| 22:14.41 | Rug | har, yeah ok. So it's just a font thing. I can dig it. |
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| 22:15.06 | cr3 | how can I format a partition with a FAT32 filesystem? is there an equivalent command to mke2fs? |
| 22:15.17 | Wyzard | cr3: mkdosfs, in the dosfstools package, I believe |
| 22:15.30 | cr3 | Wyzard: cheers, I'll check it out |
| 22:15.36 | Wyzard | cr3: Check the manpage for the option to tell it to make fat32 instead of fat16 |
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| 22:18.30 | mcquaid | hello, I remember seeing a good guide on this but can't find it now, I want to move my harddrive with linux on it to a new computer |
| 22:18.49 | azeem | mcquaid: there's nothing special to it |
| 22:18.53 | RichiH | indeed |
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| 22:19.01 | Coweater | just move it assuming a generic kernel |
| 22:19.01 | mcquaid | the harddrive doesn't have the mbr as it's a secondary drive, so I need to write the mbr on this drive and I need to update fstab and menu.1st |
| 22:19.02 | azeem | unless you have a self-compiled, stripped-down kernel or something |
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| 22:19.18 | azeem | mcquaid: ah, ok. Boot a LiveCD then |
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| 22:19.58 | mcquaid | ok i read that far on booting a live cd and reinstalling grub, but whats currently in menu.1st will no longer be valid, same with fstab |
| 22:20.34 | mcquaid | do I have to manually fix them or is there a way to make it redetects whats what so it'll create appropriate ones for this new machine |
| 22:20.36 | azeem | mcquaid: you can edit your menu.lst live from the Grub boot menu |
| 22:21.01 | azeem | mcquaid: or you can try to chroot into your install from the LiveCD and run update-grub |
| 22:21.09 | azeem | not sure whether that'd work |
| 22:21.33 | mcquaid | ya I thought about update-grub, but what creates/recreates fstab? |
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| 22:22.10 | azeem | mcquaid: nothing I guess, you'd need to manually tweak it |
| 22:22.10 | elik_laptop | What is the best way to search a tree of files for a certain expression, for instance, searching for a function definition under a whole source tree? |
| 22:22.29 | azeem | elik_laptop: there is specialized software for that application |
| 22:22.30 | mcquaid | I still have the drive in this computer, so I can mount it and have access to to fstab and menu.1st now, I just thought there might be a better way |
| 22:22.39 | elik_laptop | I know grep will find an expression, but dont know how to send grep through a whole structure |
| 22:22.40 | mcquaid | hmm, well something must create fstab in the first place |
| 22:22.48 | DaFresh | elik_laptop, grep -R ? |
| 22:23.05 | azeem | !info exuberant-ctags |
| 22:23.08 | dpkg | exuberant-ctags: (build tag file indexes of source code definitions), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:5.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 103 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
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| 22:23.34 | azeem | mcquaid: the installer I guess |
| 22:23.36 | xp_prg | I have a weird question, I just got an account on unixshell giving me a virtual private server, I need to run a xwindows program that I want to access with vnc, all I have is a unix prompt to set this all up, is that possible, I am on debian sarge |
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| 22:24.17 | mcquaid | ok thx for your suggestions azeem, I'll do some more looking before I take this drive out |
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| 22:26.17 | xjkx | i have cups installed and working great in economic mode, i have openoffice openned with text and an image in it, but its collored, i'd like to print it using only black collor :S how can I do that? |
| 22:26.35 | xjkx | i mean the image |
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| 22:30.29 | cellofellow | valdyn: some progress. I can now access that win98 machine through samba and dns. |
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| 22:42.29 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 22:42.38 | iturk | hi there using ps its possible to check the memory used by each process ?? if yes which one is the command ?? |
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| 22:46.59 | thingfish | iturk: look at top. |
| 22:47.19 | thingfish | don't know if that's what you're needing though. |
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| 22:47.57 | karsten | iturk: ... or 'ps' with appropriate options (ps waux is one of my prefs), or /proc/<pid?/status |
| 22:48.27 | karsten | erm, <pid>, not <pid? |
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| 22:49.28 | iturk | karsten: thanls |
| 22:50.04 | SPF | hmm, do I need the initrd.img file after kernel compile? it's in the grub conf file |
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| 22:50.13 | karsten | turl. Feh. |
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| 22:55.47 | xp_prg | X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting |
| 22:56.07 | xp_prg | that is what happens when I do startx |
| 22:56.18 | xp_prg | did I forget to install a certain package? |
| 22:57.21 | amphi | xp_prg: xserver-xfree86? ;) |
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| 22:57.49 | GoAuLd | titlebars of apps are missing in my compiz someone knows why? |
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| 22:58.38 | iturk | xp_prg: after do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to configure your X if you get another similar error !! |
| 22:59.19 | xp_prg | ok |
| 23:00.20 | xp_prg | I have a weird problem, I need to run vnc on a vps, but I have no xserver to connect to remotely, how can I make vncserver work, connect and have xwindows up so I can start my app and have it persist when I disconnect? |
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| 23:00.53 | dooglus | I'm having a problem with freenx: I started a session from a Windows machine, detached it, and am now on the server. When I try running nxclient here, it lists the detached session, but 'resume' is greyed out. Any idea why that might be? |
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| 23:03.24 | petemc | dooglus: try nxserver ---suspend id |
| 23:03.38 | petemc | one too many - |
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| 23:06.35 | Feax-Crysis | how can i install tcl for have an eggdrop ? I tryed apt-get install tcllib but eggdrop won't install because he didnt dected tcl on my system :S |
| 23:06.38 | Feax-Crysis | !tcl |
| 23:06.38 | dpkg | tcl is Tool Command Language, or available at http://www.tcl.tk/ |
| 23:07.20 | karlosssos | !kick |
| 23:07.26 | karlosssos | !ops |
| 23:07.27 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 23:07.35 | karlosssos | !ops $problem |
| 23:07.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karlosssos complains about: $problem |
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| 23:07.48 | karlosssos | oh |
| 23:07.52 | karlosssos | sorry |
| 23:08.07 | faw | ara |
| 23:08.28 | azeem | karlosssos: is there an actual problem you need addressed? |
| 23:08.42 | karlosssos | no, azeem, sorry |
| 23:09.01 | streuner | you already said sorry |
| 23:09.17 | streuner | Feax-Crysis: eggdrop is in debian |
| 23:09.20 | karlosssos | okay, sorry |
| 23:09.43 | Feax-Crysis | streuner: ôÔ where ? |
| 23:09.54 | streuner | right in the mirror |
| 23:09.57 | streuner | right in the mirrors |
| 23:10.02 | streuner | !info eggdrop |
| 23:10.05 | azeem | right on the mirror |
| 23:10.07 | dpkg | eggdrop: (Advanced IRC Robot), section net, is extra. Version: 1.6.18-1 (sid), Packaged size: 464 kB, Installed size: 1052 kB |
| 23:10.09 | karlosssos | !help |
| 23:10.16 | RichiH | karlosssos? |
| 23:10.19 | peterS | someone set up us the eggdrop !! |
| 23:10.21 | azeem | karlosssos: if you have a question, ask |
| 23:10.24 | streuner | karlosssos: don't abuse the bot |
| 23:10.28 | RichiH | karlosssos: ah, heh |
| 23:10.39 | RichiH | karlosssos: as you can see, we flock to here quite fast ;) |
| 23:10.46 | Jemt | I simple can't get the ATI Binary driver to work. The driver outputs the following error: "No devices detected". Can someone help me ? |
| 23:10.47 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:10.54 | karlosssos | :-) |
| 23:11.13 | Feax-Crysis | streuner: I installed it but how can i launch it now ? |
| 23:11.29 | qailer | hiya guys, how can I block certain ip addresses from login in through ssh? |
| 23:11.30 | streuner | eggdrop questions are OT |
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| 23:11.36 | Feax-Crysis | streuner: OT ? |
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| 23:11.38 | streuner | so read the docs |
| 23:11.43 | streuner | Off-Topic |
| 23:11.44 | Feax-Crysis | streuner: where is the doc ? |
| 23:11.58 | xp_prg | anyone know how to start up an xserver remotely with xinit to be on the localhost? |
| 23:12.11 | Feax-Crysis | streuner: I just want to know the install repertory |
| 23:12.20 | karsten | xp_prg: Several options, none of them entirely painless. |
| 23:12.32 | streuner | dpkg, fgi eggdrop Feax-Crysis |
| 23:12.33 | dpkg | eggdrop: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=Feax-Crysis |
| 23:12.37 | xp_prg | well can you help me, I need to do this |
| 23:12.56 | streuner | dpkg, fgi Feax-Crysis eggdrop |
| 23:12.57 | dpkg | Feax-Crysis: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=eggdrop |
| 23:12.59 | xp_prg | I run xinit and it says: Fatal server error: |
| 23:12.59 | xp_prg | xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory) |
| 23:13.08 | xp_prg | I am trying to run this on a vps |
| 23:13.08 | karsten | xp_prg: You can allow remote X connections (they're disabled by default for very good security reasons) and launch via XDMCP, which is the tradidtional X-Terminal (as in remote dumb graphics terminal) mechanism. |
| 23:13.23 | dendrite | qailer: I know you can do that sort of thing with iptables, not sure off hand if sshd can do IP based auth. Maybe the sshd man pages will help, if you don't want to just use iptables... |
| 23:13.30 | xp_prg | karsten I want to connect via vnc |
| 23:13.34 | karsten | xp_prg: You can run VNC or NC, which is slightly slower than native but can be secured. NX is pretty good. |
| 23:13.42 | peterS | xp_prg: oh then what you really want is a vncserver |
| 23:13.53 | xp_prg | but I need the xwindows session to persist after I disconnect |
| 23:13.58 | karsten | xp_prg: OK. There's also ssh +X options. Slower than straight X (encryption overhead) but safer. |
| 23:14.17 | xp_prg | I am familiar with -X not +x |
| 23:14.28 | xp_prg | I first must get an xserver started though right? |
| 23:14.40 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hello all, I have a problem with my part /dev/hda3. It is a fat32 filesystem and it mount on bootup through /etc/fstab. However it sudenly became read only. It would not unmount so I rebooted. I tested /mnt/hda3 after reboot and it worked so I started X. However once inside X I found out it was again read only! I also found I could not unmount it. So I killed X and tried to write to it only to find it was still read only. I trie |
| 23:14.40 | Gokee2_Laptop | d to unmount without luck. Any ideas? |
| 23:14.53 | karsten | Install tightvncserver on your Linux box. Configure your vnc session. Launch vncserver. Add a password (for the VNC session itself, not your system login password). |
| 23:15.10 | karsten | xp_prg: ^^ ... then launch a VNC client on the desired remote system. |
| 23:15.23 | xp_prg | karsten but how will that start an xserver, I am confused |
| 23:15.42 | dendrite | qailer: Check out the DenyUsers keyword in the sshd_config man page. |
| 23:15.42 | pollywog | has anyone here used ipsets on a Sarge system? |
| 23:15.44 | karsten | xp_prg: tightvncserver *is* the "X" server. |
| 23:15.48 | karsten | !rw-vfat |
| 23:15.49 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 23:15.53 | pollywog | it appears my iptables is too old |
| 23:15.53 | karsten | Gokee2_Laptop: %% |
| 23:15.54 | qailer | dendrite, hmm, just came over some guys trying to bruteforce my server, I will, thx |
| 23:15.56 | karsten | Gokee2_Laptop: ^^ even. |
| 23:16.07 | xp_prg | hmm... ok |
| 23:16.09 | Feax-Crysis | poweroff |
| 23:16.11 | xp_prg | that is different |
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| 23:16.20 | dendrite | qailer: Then just DROP packets from that address, period. Use iptables. |
| 23:16.40 | edju | Trying to install an app from testing on a stable system and so far I've failed - something close to dependency hell. Is it possible to do to w/o a bunch of new libraries that might interfere with the stable syatem? |
| 23:16.48 | xp_prg | karsten with the xwindows session persist after I disconnect from the tightvncserver? |
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| 23:16.56 | xp_prg | with = will |
| 23:17.04 | qailer | dendrite, I'm sry to say I'm not familiar with it, how is it setup? |
| 23:17.23 | dendrite | qailer: iptables -A INPUT -s <annoying_ip_address> -j DROP |
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| 23:17.33 | dendrite | qailer: That's from memory, but might do it... |
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| 23:17.55 | dendrite | qailer: iptables is just the front end to netfilter, the kernel packet filtering infrastructure. |
| 23:17.57 | qailer | dendrite, that looks pretty nice |
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| 23:18.03 | Gokee2_Laptop | karsten, But it was read write before I started X... And I have used the same entry in fstab for almost a year with read/write working... The line I use is "/dev/hda3 /mnt/hda3 vfat auto,users,exec,umask=000,shortname=mixed,quiet,rw " |
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| 23:18.43 | phyburn | anyone here uses hushmail? |
| 23:18.53 | phyburn | trying to figure out how to get it to work |
| 23:19.06 | streuner | webmail? |
| 23:19.17 | phyburn | it uses java to login and I just can't get it to work |
| 23:19.41 | streuner | why not just using ihlohamail? |
| 23:19.44 | dendrite | qailer: If you want that rule to persist after a boot, then you'll need to do a bit more work. But if you're just trying to get some lamer to forget about you, then just create that rule... |
| 23:20.06 | qailer | I don't reboot very often :) |
| 23:20.09 | phyburn | streuner, ive used hush for years nad love it =)( |
| 23:20.13 | streuner | !info IlohaMail |
| 23:20.17 | Gokee2_Laptop | karsten, also I use the same line (diffrent mount point and dev) on my other fat32 and it works great |
| 23:20.17 | dpkg | ilohamail: (Light weight yet full featured multilingual web-based IMAP/POP3 client), section web, is optional. Version: 0.8.14-0rc3sid2 (sid), Packaged size: 370 kB, Installed size: 3820 kB |
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| 23:20.28 | xp_prg | Font directory '/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc' not found - ignoring |
| 23:20.29 | streuner | phyburn: ok, did you instal java? |
| 23:20.29 | Gokee2_Laptop | df -h |
| 23:20.33 | odla | how do i user user lontra to group burning? |
| 23:20.34 | xp_prg | what package holds these fonts? |
| 23:20.46 | dendrite | qailer: yeah, then just run that, and your annoyance will go away. iptables is worth getting to know, btw. |
| 23:20.49 | karlosssos | when will sid get stable? is there any date yet? |
| 23:20.50 | phyburn | streuner, do you know the package name, there is so many. Also I am on amd64 |
| 23:20.55 | dendrite | karlosssos: Never. |
| 23:20.57 | streuner | xp_prg: sounds like a configure error... |
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| 23:21.14 | streuner | phyburn: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 23:21.22 | xp_prg | that is what happens when I try to start xtightvncserver |
| 23:21.28 | karlosssos | never, dendrite? |
| 23:21.28 | dendrite | karlosssos: etch will become the next stable, at which point a fork of *etch* will become the new testing. Sid is always unstable. |
| 23:21.29 | streuner | karlosssos: /msg dpkg sid |
| 23:21.37 | qailer | dendrite, I'll take look at it when I got some free time, definetly, thx for taking interest, see ya :) |
| 23:21.41 | karlosssos | okay |
| 23:21.43 | karlosssos | thanks |
| 23:21.56 | pollywog | dendrite have you had occassion to patch a kernel for ipsets? |
| 23:22.13 | dendrite | pollywog: No... |
| 23:22.32 | pollywog | I am not sure whether it will work on a Sarge system and I want to use it with Shorewall |
| 23:22.37 | black_13 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:22.46 | streuner | karlosssos: amd64 is supported by debian, but we (#debian) using mostly x86... |
| 23:22.50 | pollywog | iptables appears to be too old in Sarge |
| 23:22.58 | karlosssos | streuner? |
| 23:23.10 | riot | is sourceforge broken right now? |
| 23:23.10 | pollywog | and I think I need a newer kernel, 2.6.16 or newer |
| 23:23.11 | streuner | amd64 is different vs. x86 |
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| 23:23.20 | karlosssos | i dont have amd64 |
| 23:23.23 | riot | can't reach any mirrors |
| 23:23.57 | streuner | karlosssos: oh, that was for phyburn |
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| 23:24.08 | phyburn | lol |
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| 23:25.02 | pollywog | streuner: some of us need lots of help |
| 23:25.07 | pollywog | :) |
| 23:25.15 | karlosssos | :) |
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| 23:25.28 | odla | hrm...i used adduser lontra burning but when i type groups lontra i don't see burning |
| 23:25.52 | pollywog | odla did you logout and then login again? |
| 23:26.08 | odla | pollywog: no do i need to? |
| 23:26.11 | pollywog | after adding lontra logout |
| 23:26.14 | pollywog | yes |
| 23:26.15 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.22 | odla | pollywog: thanks |
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| 23:28.00 | Clinton__ | r/back |
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| 23:29.05 | saber_ | hello |
| 23:30.17 | saber_ | i'm having troubles getting gtk applications to display on my system |
| 23:30.29 | saber_ | xhost +localhost; export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 |
| 23:30.34 | zinx | ugh |
| 23:30.35 | zinx | don't do that |
| 23:30.46 | karsten | saber_: Don't do that |
| 23:30.53 | saber_ | is not working... how do i get past this error? (firefox-bin:5295): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 23:31.00 | karsten | saber_: 'xhost -' now. Disable any xhost auth. |
| 23:31.05 | saber_ | help me! what do i do instead? search google using lynx is hard on my eyes |
| 23:31.08 | zinx | you don't use xhost, you don't export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 |
| 23:31.14 | karsten | saber_: What's the error message? |
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| 23:31.24 | zinx | X should set up the DISPLAY environment variable when you start it |
| 23:31.24 | peterS | saber_: you want "export DISPLAY=:0" without the localhost part |
| 23:31.27 | karsten | saber_: Try w3m, links, or elinks / elinks2 instead. |
| 23:31.37 | zinx | as well as XAUTHORITY |
| 23:31.45 | karsten | peterS: technically localhost shouldn't matter, should it? |
| 23:31.45 | peterS | saber_: the default X setup does not permit a TCP connection, which is what the 'localhost' part implies |
| 23:31.56 | saber_ | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:31.56 | saber_ | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 23:31.56 | saber_ | (firefox-bin:5321): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 23:32.00 | peterS | karsten: TCP vs. Unix sockets. X gets "-nolisten tcp" by default |
| 23:32.05 | phyburn | anyone use hushmail? |
| 23:32.12 | karsten | peterS: Right. Does localhost imply tcp? |
| 23:32.33 | saber_ | that's the error that i get when i remove localhost from the xhost list |
| 23:32.38 | karsten | peterS: ... ignoring the somewhat obvious inplication that it should. |
| 23:32.50 | saber_ | i think this error can be fixed by adding an entry in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers |
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| 23:33.00 | karsten | saber_: Probably an xauth issue, bad cookie. |
| 23:33.04 | saber_ | but then do i need to add a server for every gtk application? this sounds silly to me |
| 23:33.05 | zinx | i think the error can be fixed by starting X normally |
| 23:33.12 | zinx | and not fucking with its environment variables |
| 23:33.18 | peterS | karsten: yeah, I believe the X client code doesn't special-case the name localhost. so since it's an internet hostname.... yeah. |
| 23:33.24 | karsten | saber_: The only noncomment line in there should be ":0 local /usr/bin/X vt7 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 23:33.30 | karsten | saber_: ... and what zinx said. |
| 23:33.37 | karsten | peterS: Right. |
| 23:33.40 | zinx | X sets all the environment variables applications need when it starts, anything run from X will have them set properly |
| 23:33.46 | zinx | you need at least XAUTHORITY and DISPLAY set properly. |
| 23:34.02 | karsten | saber_: How are you starting X? |
| 23:34.08 | saber_ | i am logging in via xdm |
| 23:34.11 | karsten | saber_: ... and while we're at it, what OS / distro is this? |
| 23:34.26 | peterS | karsten: is that a diet pill vendor site? as in, lo-cal host? |
| 23:34.36 | saber_ | this is debian 3.0r3 |
| 23:34.51 | zinx | what window manager/program does it start? |
| 23:35.00 | karsten | peterS: reverse resolves. |
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| 23:35.07 | saber_ | i mean, this should work by default or else there is a defect in the default xdm/X configuration |
| 23:35.19 | zinx | the default Debian X configuration works fine |
| 23:35.24 | karsten | saber_: Yes, it should work by default, suggesting you've mucked with something. Care to share? |
| 23:35.32 | saber_ | hehe.. i haven't :) |
| 23:35.34 | azeem | saber_: do you run X as root? |
| 23:35.40 | zinx | screwing with xauth/XAUTHORITY/DISPLAY, however, is not default. |
| 23:35.49 | karsten | saber_: purge/reinstall of xserver-xfree86 should restore a sane setting. |
| 23:35.54 | saber_ | actually, i didn't mess with any of that |
| 23:35.58 | zinx | and is likely to make it not work unless you know what you're doing, and almost certain to screw things up unless you know what you're doing. |
| 23:36.02 | saber_ | but one that i forgot to mention is that I did install/setup bastille |
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| 23:36.18 | xp_prg | tightvncserver looks like it is working :) |
| 23:36.27 | peterS | xp_prg: good, good |
| 23:36.40 | saber_ | would modifications made with bastille have an impact on X? |
| 23:36.43 | CcSsNET | bastille can really mess up a working system if not configured corectly |
| 23:36.55 | CcSsNET | i use it also |
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| 23:37.07 | saber_ | i didn't see any X related configuration options |
| 23:37.20 | saber_ | in fact, i installed X after having configured bastille |
| 23:37.42 | CcSsNET | uhm i dont remember if there was any specfic to x there probably isnt. but there are settings that may affect the permisions x needs |
| 23:37.43 | xp_prg | peterS I know vnc wants to show what the other screen shows, all it is showing me now is a large white box, I did set 24 bit color when I configured xserver, could that be why? |
| 23:37.45 | saber_ | the strange this is that this only happens for gtk application... xconsole works |
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| 23:37.59 | CcSsNET | you can actually do a bastille rollback "undo what it did" just to see |
| 23:38.15 | saber_ | i'll try that just to see if it has any effect |
| 23:38.28 | CcSsNET | bastille --help |
| 23:38.35 | phyburn | how do you install a package that is unstable? |
| 23:38.38 | CcSsNET | for the info on doing it i forget |
| 23:38.44 | Caelum | OMFG, I got vpnc to work! |
| 23:39.00 | Caelum | wee |
| 23:39.18 | SoulX | people, can you help me with postgres? |
| 23:39.33 | azeem | SoulX: try to be more specific |
| 23:39.36 | peterS | SoulX: maybe, but not without a more specific question |
| 23:39.40 | SoulX | 02:34SoulXcan you tell me what packages i must download to instal posgresql on linux? |
| 23:39.40 | SoulX | 02:35SoulXbase, docs, opt, test - do i need them? |
| 23:39.55 | peterS | SoulX: "aptitude install postgresql" |
| 23:40.10 | saber_ | hmm.. no effect |
| 23:40.27 | CcSsNET | su "enter pass" |
| 23:40.30 | CcSsNET | apt-get update |
| 23:40.39 | CcSsNET | apt-cache search postgresql |
| 23:40.53 | azeem | saber_: which user is running this session? |
| 23:40.53 | SoulX | and what does aptitude do? |
| 23:40.55 | azeem | SoulX: it installs packages |
| 23:40.59 | peterS | SoulX: installs packages. it's a bit like apt-get but more sophisticated |
| 23:41.17 | SoulX | so i must have internet connection to do this? |
| 23:41.26 | CcSsNET | yes |
| 23:41.29 | peterS | SoulX: either an internet connection or a set of Debian CDs |
| 23:41.30 | CcSsNET | for the most part |
| 23:41.34 | SoulX | or i must previously to download packages |
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| 23:41.51 | saber_ | zeem: my nonroot user, stonee |
| 23:41.55 | peterS | SoulX: if you have a Debian CD set, the postgresql packages will be on that |
| 23:42.00 | SoulX | so i am just asking - what packages i must have |
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| 23:42.17 | azeem | SoulX: it will print the packages it'll try to install |
| 23:42.23 | peterS | SoulX: run the aptitude line and it will tell you what packages it is going to try to download |
| 23:42.24 | SoulX | 7.4.1 is installed on my server |
| 23:42.32 | azeem | peterS: I win again! |
| 23:42.33 | SoulX | so i want it to be 8.1 |
| 23:42.38 | peterS | azeem: yeah, i should just give up now (: |
| 23:42.45 | saber_ | man this is a sucky problem |
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| 23:42.58 | Shendar | hello, i have laptop with intelgraphic... now this rendering is terrible.How i can reconfigure settings for my videocard? |
| 23:43.09 | azeem | Shendar: terrible how? |
| 23:43.17 | peterS | SoulX: 8.1 is not available on debian stable, but it exists on www.backports.org |
| 23:43.21 | SoulX | so at first i must to do uninstall, yes? |
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| 23:43.32 | SoulX | yes i understand |
| 23:43.39 | SoulX | i am using debian 3.1 |
| 23:43.43 | Shendar | resolution is good, but when i transport windows they transports slow |
| 23:43.49 | SoulX | 4.0 is unstable now |
| 23:43.59 | azeem | SoulX: it's in testing |
| 23:44.02 | Shendar | it's like i havo no driver for video card in windows |
| 23:44.05 | taylor | Where should the root user put a script so it will be executed when anyone starts X? |
| 23:44.22 | azeem | Shendar: which version of Debian? |
| 23:44.26 | Shendar | unstable |
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| 23:44.45 | azeem | Shendar: which X driver are you using? |
| 23:44.53 | Shendar | x11 |
| 23:44.54 | azeem | check /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you don't know |
| 23:45.04 | azeem | Shendar: that's not an X driver |
| 23:45.05 | SoulX | so i'll try aptitude |
| 23:45.21 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:48.16 | odla | shendar: you're running unstable and you don't know what xdriver you're using? |
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| 23:49.11 | shendar | yes, i have reconfigured driver to i810 |
| 23:49.18 | shendar | now it works=) |
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| 23:50.59 | odla | shendar: you're running unstable and you don't know what xdriver you're using? |
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| 23:53.07 | shendar | hmm.... before i have used ubuntu and mandriva, and Debian ist first sirious linux for me |
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| 23:53.18 | dendrite | shendar: odla's concern is that unstable is usually best avoided unless you know what you're doing, and how to fix stuff. |
| 23:53.21 | odla | shouldn't you try testing first then? |
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| 23:53.34 | odla | dendrite: thanks |
| 23:53.44 | Digamma | Hey |
| 23:53.48 | odla | hi |
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| 23:54.15 | Digamma | I found out that the reason bash wasn't working was because my APT was set to an unstable homebuild server :) |
| 23:54.20 | dendrite | shendar: Do yourself a big favor, get to know BTS, and install apt-listbugs. |
| 23:54.34 | dendrite | Digamma: Details, details... |
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| 23:55.44 | xp_prg | when I connect via vnc, it appears I have no windows manager, anyone know how I start one? |
| 23:55.58 | Digamma | I know |
| 23:56.05 | odla | xp_prg: startx? |
| 23:56.21 | Digamma | Anyone know a good media player? |
| 23:56.24 | xp_prg | there is now windows manager, xwindows is started |
| 23:56.29 | Digamma | Something that does everything in one? |
| 23:56.34 | odla | Digamma: what desktop? |
| 23:56.41 | Digamma | Anything |
| 23:56.44 | odla | music or video? |
| 23:56.45 | Digamma | I'll download the lib files |
| 23:56.48 | cunzhang | Digamma,I use Kmplayer in KDE |
| 23:56.50 | Digamma | Music |
| 23:56.51 | odla | what do you run gnome, kde, or something else? |
| 23:56.53 | Caelum | hrm, vpnc-disconnect doesn't restore your /etc/resolv.conf, icky |
| 23:56.54 | Digamma | Kmplayer |
| 23:56.57 | odla | amarok, rhythmbox, quodlibet are good |
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| 23:57.02 | Digamma | Fluxbox |
| 23:57.10 | odla | xmms is great :) |
| 23:57.14 | odla | especially with streamtuner |
| 23:57.36 | xp_prg | odla what is streamtuner? |
| 23:57.39 | Digamma | Does KMplayer let you rip CD's into OGG/Mp3? |
| 23:57.42 | cunzhang | Digamma, play video using Kmplayer/mplayer |
| 23:57.50 | Digamma | ok |
| 23:57.55 | Digamma | I've got VLC |
| 23:58.08 | odla | you should try OXINE it's awesome :) |
| 23:58.09 | Digamma | nvm |
| 23:58.11 | cunzhang | Digamma,play mp3 using xmms is a good idea |
| 23:58.19 | Digamma | I'll try Amarok and VLC |
| 23:58.20 | Digamma | thanks |
| 23:58.35 | LordBrain | xp_prg: you can switch to a console, export DISPLAY=:0.0 and run the window manager |
| 23:58.38 | Digamma | (I knew of Amarok; only I was spelling it wrong in apt |
| 23:58.40 | Digamma | bbl |
| 23:58.43 | cunzhang | Digamma,amarok in KDE,so you should install so many KDE lib |
| 23:58.53 | xp_prg | what window manager could I run that takes the least amount of ram? |
| 23:59.03 | Caelum | xp_prg: twm :P |
| 23:59.07 | Ronin | heh |
| 23:59.09 | odla | xp_prg: ion3? |
| 23:59.23 | LordBrain | i use fluxbox |
| 23:59.24 | Ronin | got debian burned and installed i see Digamma ? |
| 23:59.24 | Digamma | Fluxbox is good for little ram xp_prg |
| 23:59.31 | Digamma | No |
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| 23:59.33 | odla | kwin :D |
| 23:59.36 | Digamma | I'm still using Knoppix |
| 23:59.36 | iturk | to know where a package its installed which is the appropriate command ?? |
| 23:59.38 | Digamma | BUT! |
| 23:59.41 | Digamma | It is working perfectly |
| 23:59.49 | Ronin | uhh ok |
| 23:59.50 | Digamma | My apt was just configures poorly |
| 23:59.57 | odla | iturk: dpkg -L package |
| 23:59.58 | Caelum | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 147892 May 21 16:15 /usr/X11R6/bin/twm |