| 00:00.07 | Caelum | 147k! |
| 00:00.15 | Digamma | Anyone know of a good music composer |
| 00:01.09 | Digamma | I cant find gscore |
| 00:01.09 | dendrite | Digamma: Mozart wasn't bad... |
| 00:01.11 | wakejagr | Digamma: bach |
| 00:01.18 | dendrite | wakejagr: :P |
| 00:01.24 | wakejagr | dendrite: you win :0 |
| 00:01.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:01.44 | dendrite | Digamma: Like rosegarden? |
| 00:02.25 | Digamma | thanks |
| 00:02.28 | Digamma | I'll look into it |
| 00:02.51 | Digamma | And one other QN; is Open Office the best linux Word Processor? |
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| 00:03.11 | dendrite | Digamma: Best is a question of taste. OO certainly is popular and powerful. |
| 00:03.15 | Digamma | I know thats a but of a bias QN; but is there any other better |
| 00:03.27 | Digamma | More powerful; but dosent cost |
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| 00:03.29 | xp_prg | that fixed it, I like fluxbox :) |
| 00:03.38 | Digamma | yeo |
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| 00:03.42 | Digamma | Flux is nice |
| 00:03.42 | dendrite | Digamma: OO is probably your best bet. |
| 00:03.43 | xp_prg | xfce uses little ram too right? |
| 00:03.49 | Digamma | Thats what I thought |
| 00:04.03 | Digamma | its better though but ugly |
| 00:04.05 | Caelum | Digamma: you could consider learning LaTeX, can't get more powerful than that |
| 00:04.11 | Digamma | Yeah |
| 00:04.16 | Digamma | I was Thinking about it |
| 00:04.33 | xp_prg | what is the package to install xfce? |
| 00:04.43 | Digamma | xfce? |
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| 00:04.50 | dendrite | Caelum: Unless you need word interoperability... =) |
| 00:04.51 | SoulX | and what about staroffice? |
| 00:04.52 | odla | xp_prg: xfce4 |
| 00:04.56 | Digamma | jwm is good too |
| 00:05.24 | dendrite | SoulX: Good ol' star office... It's been a while since I saw that one. |
| 00:05.25 | Digamma | star office is just a closed source version of OpenOffice |
| 00:05.31 | Digamma | Right? |
| 00:05.34 | Digamma | Rather |
| 00:05.36 | dendrite | Digamma: Um... I don't think so. |
| 00:05.40 | xp_prg | odla I installed that, but I don't know how to invoke it xfce4 doesn't work |
| 00:05.42 | Caelum | dendrite: you can use latex2rtf for that, to some extent |
| 00:05.42 | Digamma | Sorry |
| 00:05.51 | Digamma | Thats what I read in the LNAG |
| 00:05.52 | dendrite | Digamma: StarOffice predates OO |
| 00:05.55 | Caelum | dendrite: it won't convert images/formulas/etc. very well, if at all |
| 00:05.56 | Digamma | I know that |
| 00:05.58 | SoulX | ms word ) |
| 00:06.01 | Digamma | I mean to say that |
| 00:06.03 | SoulX | from wine ) |
| 00:06.05 | Digamma | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
| 00:06.05 | dendrite | Caelum: No worries, I was really just pulling your chain. :-) |
| 00:06.11 | Digamma | No way |
| 00:06.26 | Digamma | My school has comps with win98 and MS office 2000 |
| 00:06.41 | Digamma | 300 Mhz 64 meg ram and 2 gig HD's |
| 00:06.43 | dendrite | Digamma: Then use OO. |
| 00:06.46 | Digamma | about 100 of them |
| 00:06.50 | Digamma | I was going to |
| 00:06.50 | SoulX | ms word 2003 is cool ) really |
| 00:06.51 | Ronin | and debian too |
| 00:07.03 | dendrite | Digamma: Tell your school about Linux! :-) |
| 00:07.03 | Digamma | but I only found 1.2 on stable |
| 00:07.20 | Digamma | My principal programmed for a distro in the l8 90's |
| 00:07.28 | Digamma | I was talking about that to him |
| 00:07.37 | Digamma | Its a school-board standard |
| 00:07.42 | Ronin | 1890? sure thats right? |
| 00:07.42 | Digamma | canary I think |
| 00:07.47 | Digamma | lmfao |
| 00:07.53 | Miesco_ | How come my /media/IPOD says its a read only filesystem? |
| 00:07.56 | Digamma | L(eight) |
| 00:07.56 | SoulX | ssory guys...but you don't find replacement to word in linux. i mean : FULL replacement |
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| 00:08.14 | Digamma | ahhh |
| 00:08.17 | Digamma | You canadian? |
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| 00:08.40 | Digamma | Ronin, are you watching the New York vs Tor game |
| 00:08.45 | dendrite | SoulX: Fact is, most folks don't use word processors to the full extent. |
| 00:09.02 | SoulX | yes... |
| 00:09.08 | SoulX | it's true |
| 00:09.37 | SoulX | but i am really hate open office because it's so slow.... |
| 00:09.44 | SoulX | slow, slow, slOOOW |
| 00:09.58 | nvz | how the hell does an office suite be slow |
| 00:10.01 | dendrite | SoulX: Yeah, it's a pig. I think incorporating Java was a mistake. |
| 00:10.04 | cunzhang | SoulX, yeah so slow I don't like |
| 00:10.04 | nvz | all you are doing is typing shit |
| 00:10.07 | dvs | SoulX: R... E.... A.... L..... L..... Y..... ? |
| 00:10.12 | SoulX | )) |
| 00:10.22 | dendrite | SoulX: Use vi! |
| 00:10.31 | dendrite | !start an editor war |
| 00:10.31 | dpkg | ae doesn't deserve to be in linux |
| 00:10.38 | Digamma | AHHHH! |
| 00:10.41 | Digamma | VI?? |
| 00:10.47 | Digamma | I tried that |
| 00:10.48 | SoulX | i am not so good in console text editors |
| 00:10.49 | magyar | why does kaffeine copies .vob files to /tmp before playback? |
| 00:10.54 | streuner | nano then :-) |
| 00:10.55 | Digamma | I cant get a grip on the modal crap |
| 00:10.58 | Digamma | Sorry :p |
| 00:11.01 | craigevil | theres always abiword or koffice if you dont like OO |
| 00:11.02 | dvs | dendrite: oh come on! lyx is better! |
| 00:11.13 | xp_prg | vnc does not use ssh encryption right? |
| 00:11.13 | dendrite | dvs: Actually, lyx is quite cool. |
| 00:11.27 | dendrite | dvs: Expecially if you're too lazy to learn LaTeX... |
| 00:11.35 | dvs | dendrite: reminds me of university assignments too much. ;-) |
| 00:12.20 | dendrite | "Emacs is a decent operating system, but it lacks a good editor..." |
| 00:12.26 | SoulX | where are you from, people? ) |
| 00:12.28 | dvs | heh |
| 00:12.45 | streuner | !worldmap |
| 00:12.45 | dpkg | worldmap is probably at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or at http://www.cafuego.net/map/map.jpg.php |
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| 00:14.23 | SoulX | hm..i go to sleep.. ) |
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| 00:14.27 | SoulX | bye |
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| 00:15.11 | Digamma | can someone help me with this error |
| 00:15.14 | Digamma | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 00:15.14 | Digamma | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.14 | Digamma | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 00:16.00 | dendrite | Digamma: I usually just retry the install first, and then go on to more extreme measures if that doesn't work. |
| 00:16.19 | Digamma | ok |
| 00:16.30 | dendrite | Digamma: Odds are a retry won't work though. :-) |
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| 00:17.08 | Digamma | Didn't work |
| 00:17.38 | mcquaid | if i want to rewrite grub to the mbr, do I just simply run grub or update-grub? |
| 00:17.56 | dvs | mcquaid: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 00:17.57 | mcquaid | someone told me update-grub but reading the man on that it seems that will update menu.1st which i don't want |
| 00:18.07 | mcquaid | ah grub-install, thx |
| 00:18.23 | Digamma | Anyone think that I should give up on one of the packages |
| 00:19.56 | dendrite | Digamma: You can install libxv1 telling it to overwrite, Though that's not without risks. |
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| 00:20.08 | dendrite | dvs: ? |
| 00:20.23 | Digamma | What command do I type? |
| 00:20.26 | dvs | dendrite: yes? |
| 00:20.32 | dendrite | 20:18 * dvs raises his hand |
| 00:20.44 | dvs | dendrite: look at the line above |
| 00:20.45 | dvs | that |
| 00:20.59 | dendrite | dvs: Ah. |
| 00:21.17 | dendrite | Digamma: What command are you typing to install, exactly? |
| 00:21.30 | Digamma | I am using a packagage manager |
| 00:21.34 | Digamma | Synaptic |
| 00:21.45 | dvs | Digamma: you use sarge? |
| 00:21.46 | dendrite | Digamma: Installing what? |
| 00:21.57 | Digamma | umm |
| 00:21.59 | Digamma | Stab |
| 00:21.59 | karsten | Digamma: What packages are you installing? |
| 00:22.01 | Digamma | stable |
| 00:22.05 | Digamma | VLC |
| 00:22.07 | dvs | yup |
| 00:22.11 | Digamma | Amarok |
| 00:22.15 | karsten | Digamma: conflicts are a critical bug. |
| 00:22.18 | Digamma | and Konqueror |
| 00:22.25 | Digamma | what does that mean? |
| 00:22.27 | dendrite | Digamma: From what repository are you installing that stuff? |
| 00:22.33 | Digamma | um |
| 00:22.35 | Digamma | brb |
| 00:22.49 | dendrite | Digamma: I'd be astonished if sarge has conflicts like that in it... |
| 00:22.51 | Digamma | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 00:22.51 | karsten | Digamma: two packages *can't* contain the same files |
| 00:22.52 | Digamma | stable |
| 00:23.04 | Digamma | ok |
| 00:23.14 | Digamma | do I tell it not to install the problem file? |
| 00:23.43 | dendrite | No... But something else very odd is going on where your system is concerned. |
| 00:23.54 | karsten | Digamma: /msg dpkg paster |
| 00:24.10 | karsten | Digamma: ... make a post there w/ specific error messages, what packages you're trying to install. |
| 00:24.19 | karsten | Digamma: I suspect you've got a third-party deb somewhere. |
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| 00:24.39 | Digamma | 3rd party deb?? |
| 00:24.58 | dvs | Digamma: i.e. Not from Debian |
| 00:25.00 | karsten | Digamma: Non-debian. Eg: nvidia or ATI drivers, possibly backports, etc. |
| 00:25.01 | dendrite | Digamma: Have you ever added any other repositories to your system? |
| 00:25.18 | karsten | Digamma: /etc/apt/sources.list would be good to paste too. |
| 00:25.24 | Digamma | well i changed the default form oldstable to stable yesterday |
| 00:25.41 | karsten | Digamma: That would do it. |
| 00:25.46 | dendrite | Digamma: Ummm.... Did you do a dist-upgrade? |
| 00:25.49 | karsten | Digamma: 'aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade' |
| 00:25.53 | cellofellow | what does a WINS server do? (samba stuff) |
| 00:25.54 | karsten | Digamma: ... *then* try your install. |
| 00:26.00 | karsten | cellofellow: Fuck things up. |
| 00:26.05 | dvs | karsten: did woody have aptitude? |
| 00:26.22 | karsten | cellofellow: It's an alternative nameservice for Windows SMB/CIFS networks. |
| 00:26.29 | Digamma | ok |
| 00:26.39 | karsten | dvs: We'll find out ;-) |
| 00:26.43 | dvs | heh |
| 00:26.48 | karsten | Digamma: aptitude is like apt-get, but better. |
| 00:26.48 | cellofellow | is it better than just dns or broadcast? |
| 00:26.55 | karsten | !tell Digamma about aptitude |
| 00:26.57 | dvs | !info aptitude woody |
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| 00:27.01 | dpkg | aptitude: (curses-based apt frontend), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.11.1-4 (woody), Packaged size: 889 kB, Installed size: 3136 kB |
| 00:27.01 | Digamma | i dont have aptitude |
| 00:27.06 | Digamma | ok |
| 00:27.09 | Digamma | I'll restart |
| 00:27.14 | Digamma | I mean I'll install it |
| 00:27.17 | cellofellow | Digamma: aptitude can be used like apt-get, or as a curses application. |
| 00:27.24 | karsten | cellofellow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Internet_Naming_Service |
| 00:27.25 | multi_io | sigh, gcc segfaults during every other slightly larger build these days |
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| 00:27.31 | fuxx | morgen! |
| 00:27.41 | karsten | Digamma: 'apt-get' then, in above. Command-line syntax is nearly identical. |
| 00:27.42 | dendrite | multi_io: CPU fan dead? |
| 00:27.46 | multi_io | this was not the case a few years ago, I think |
| 00:27.48 | fuxx | oh... wrong channel |
| 00:27.49 | karsten | multi_io: sig-11? |
| 00:27.49 | fuxx | :) |
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| 00:28.25 | multi_io | karsten: yes |
| 00:28.43 | karsten | multi_io: Likely bad CPU/RAM/mobo or other hardware fault. |
| 00:28.48 | Digamma | I found the broken packages |
| 00:28.52 | multi_io | well, this time it was actually ld that segfaulted |
| 00:28.53 | karsten | !sig11 |
| 00:28.54 | dpkg | it has been said that sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 00:29.06 | multi_io | karsten: really? :-\ |
| 00:29.25 | karsten | multi_io: Not a good sign. Could also be bad capacitors on the mobo, should be able to visually verify that. |
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| 00:29.44 | dendrite | multi_io: sigseg can also be an overheated CPU |
| 00:30.05 | karsten | dpkg: capacitor plague is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_capacitors |
| 00:30.05 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 00:30.08 | karsten | multi_io: ^^ |
| 00:30.09 | dendrite | karsten: Ah, yeah, I had a mobo with bulging caps, and indeed, it did sigseg. |
| 00:30.18 | karsten | dendrite: As did I. |
| 00:30.34 | dendrite | It... Was... Disgusting! <shudder> |
| 00:31.05 | Digamma | btw how do you access a dvd-rw drive? |
| 00:31.31 | multi_io | well, this happens with my machine @home as well as the one @work |
| 00:32.02 | multi_io | but I naver have crashes with, says, xorg |
| 00:32.04 | dendrite | multi_io: If the crashes are reproducible, that is, they happen at the same place every time, that's a software bug. |
| 00:32.07 | karsten | Digamma: /dev/cdrom generally, which is symlinked to the proper device (usually /dev/hdc) |
| 00:32.10 | multi_io | unless I use the nvidia driver... |
| 00:32.39 | dendrite | multi_io: if the crashes seem more random, and/or happen when the machine is more stressed, that is more likely to be hardware. |
| 00:32.42 | multi_io | dendrite: they're not. Running the compiler command manually after the crash works most of the time |
| 00:32.43 | Digamma | I have a cdrom drive and a dvd-rw |
| 00:32.54 | dvs | Digamma: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 00:33.11 | dendrite | multi_io: If you run the exact same command as the one that crashed again, does it crash in a different place? |
| 00:33.14 | karsten | Digamma: grep -i dvd /var/log/dmesg |
| 00:33.28 | karsten | dendrite: No, the computer hasn't moved :-) |
| 00:33.37 | nvz | heh |
| 00:33.39 | dendrite | karsten: How very Zen. |
| 00:33.40 | dvs | !smack karsten |
| 00:34.04 | multi_io | dendrite: as I said, it works then |
| 00:34.40 | dendrite | multi_io: Look to your hardware. Easy things to try include pulling and reseating connectors and memory modules, and CPU. |
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| 00:34.52 | dendrite | multi_io: Get yourself a can of air first... |
| 00:35.40 | silly_girl22 | has anyone tried this? http://goose-search.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:36.17 | karsten | !anybody |
| 00:36.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:36.30 | dendrite | silly_girl22: Reminds me of surfraw... |
| 00:37.00 | taylor | Where should I put a script so it'll be run when X starts? |
| 00:37.35 | karsten | taylor: ~/.xinitrc |
| 00:37.52 | silly_girl22 | its asking me to create a google account to get a license key. i have a gmail account already that i want to use. i created another google account and never got a license key. how and where can i get one? |
| 00:38.13 | Ronin | Digamma: if your running knoppix why arent you asking all these questions there? |
| 00:38.16 | dendrite | silly_girl22: And you expect people on #debian to know this... Why? |
| 00:38.33 | karsten | silly_girl22: license keys are for devs using the Google api. Limit used to be something like 2000 searches/day. |
| 00:38.35 | dvs | dendrite: Well, we're suppose to know Ubuntu also. |
| 00:38.58 | dendrite | dvs: And we do. Ask me ANY question about ubuntu! |
| 00:39.02 | karsten | silly_girl22: Suggest you Google for info ;-) |
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| 00:39.20 | Digamma | there |
| 00:39.31 | Digamma | Its working beatifully |
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| 00:39.42 | karsten | Digamma: ?? |
| 00:39.46 | Digamma | How do you get sysinfo from konqueror |
| 00:39.50 | dvs | Digamma: what's working |
| 00:39.55 | Ronin | Digamma: tried in #knoppix? |
| 00:39.59 | Digamma | nope |
| 00:40.07 | Digamma | I tried aptitude and it worked |
| 00:40.07 | karsten | dvs: "it", obviously. Duh. |
| 00:40.16 | Ronin | well seeing are your running doesnt it make sense to ask in the channel set up for your distro? |
| 00:40.22 | dvs | ... |
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| 00:40.52 | taylor | Is my understanding correct that pressing ctl-alt-backspace restarts X and causes .xinitrc to be reloaded? |
| 00:41.02 | dendrite | taylor: No. |
| 00:41.07 | karsten | taylor: No. |
| 00:41.14 | karsten | taylor: It kills X. |
| 00:41.33 | multi_io | dendrite, karsten: is there some program / test tool I could use to find memory problems and/or reproduce the sig11s relatively reliably? |
| 00:41.34 | karsten | taylor: Depending on how you've configured X to start, it may or may not be restarted. |
| 00:41.49 | dendrite | multi_io: memtest86 is all I know of. |
| 00:41.49 | silly_girl22 | it says to follow directions here http://www.google.com/apis/ to create an account. where are the directions? |
| 00:41.50 | karsten | multi_io: memtest86+, kernel compiles. |
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| 00:42.07 | Ronin | on that website most likely silly_girl22 |
| 00:42.12 | karsten | silly_girl22: Well, you just posted a URL. Maybe, just maybe, there? |
| 00:42.27 | silly_girl22 | where on that website |
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| 00:42.37 | karsten | silly_girl22: You're asking us *WHY*? |
| 00:42.39 | silly_girl22 | ive looked through it |
| 00:42.40 | Ronin | silly_girl22: how would we know? its not our website |
| 00:42.42 | taylor | Pressing ctl-alt-backspace seems to kill and restart my X. Is my assumption correct that it also reloads .xinitrc? |
| 00:42.53 | nvz | I like saying silly girl for some reason.. kind of has a ring to it |
| 00:43.02 | karsten | silly_girl22: Please /join #internet_complaints and file a formal grievance there. |
| 00:43.21 | karsten | nvz: Ex of mine used to take it personally. |
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| 00:43.54 | nvz | karsten: yeah some people are just too serious |
| 00:44.15 | silly_girl22 | karsten fuck you |
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| 00:44.39 | nvz | see what I mean |
| 00:44.40 | karsten | Best offer I've had in _months_. |
| 00:44.42 | karsten | !customer |
| 00:44.42 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 00:44.43 | dvs | silly girl |
| 00:44.45 | nvz | heh |
| 00:44.54 | Ronin | wonder if she was hot looking |
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| 00:45.04 | karsten | Ronin: 17:42 -!- ircname : your mom |
| 00:45.08 | karsten | Ronin: ... from /whois |
| 00:45.10 | nvz | heh |
| 00:45.15 | Ronin | heh |
| 00:45.20 | dvs | No, it's "yo mama" |
| 00:45.49 | karsten | dvs: If it was "yo momma", then the answer to Ronin would be "yes". |
| 00:45.53 | nvz | even yo momma is played out now thanks to tv |
| 00:46.11 | nvz | tv is on my list of things I'd exterminate |
| 00:46.25 | dendrite | nvz: ++ |
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| 00:46.31 | Ronin | it has its uses nvz,take the hockey game im watching now |
| 00:46.36 | sussudio | in soviet russia, tv exterminates you |
| 00:46.45 | nvz | I knew that was comming |
| 00:46.53 | sussudio | :-| |
| 00:46.59 | karsten | In Korea ... |
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| 00:48.13 | nvz | ugh tv frustrates me so much I cant take it but in very very small doses |
| 00:48.26 | dvs | 5 mins? |
| 00:48.27 | bab | wtf postgresql-8.1: Depends: postgresql-common (>= 39) but it is not going to be installed ??? I am trying to install it from backports |
| 00:48.49 | nvz | its like getting spammed constantly and having nothing better to do but read it all |
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| 00:49.12 | nvz | I'd rather sit on the floor and stick knives into electrical outlets |
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| 00:49.57 | nesys | hi folks |
| 00:50.03 | dvs | ciao |
| 00:50.40 | nesys | I don't know, I'm trying to compile a kernel like that is working now, but with HIGHMEM64G instead of HIGHMEM4G |
| 00:50.42 | nvz | of course I got enough sense to stick the knives into one of the 3 holes that isnt going to electricute the shit out of me ;) |
| 00:50.48 | vi-config | I've installed a lighttpd binary, but the init.d script looks for /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions which I guess is a redhat thing ... what's the debian way? |
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| 00:51.08 | nesys | and I receive that error: http://pastebin.ca/213948 |
| 00:51.24 | nesys | I don't know what could I do to solve my issue |
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| 00:52.39 | bab | ok fixed yahahahahaha |
| 00:52.54 | nvz | I doubt I've had more than 4gb ram total out of all the pcs I've ever owned |
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| 00:53.11 | ttl- | hello |
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| 00:54.29 | nesys | nvz maybe an hw issue? |
| 00:54.29 | karsten | nvz: 4 MB? |
| 00:54.44 | nvz | vi-config: ok lets back up and start with why you didnt use the debian package of lighttpd and wtf /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions is |
| 00:54.45 | karsten | nvz: ... and 640KB should be enough.... |
| 00:55.09 | ttl- | My volume levels of pcm and master are not saved in gnome |
| 00:55.14 | nvz | karsten: yeah I'll try to remember to smack bill gates for that if I ever see him |
| 00:55.24 | karsten | nvz: *Only* for that? |
| 00:55.30 | nvz | karsten: or we can all just send him a turd in the mail |
| 00:55.34 | kingsley_ | Why would a .xinitrc file fail to execute when X is restarted? |
| 00:55.54 | dvs | nvz: Why the fuck did he have to put a memory limit anyways? |
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| 00:56.38 | ttl- | when i restart the machine all levels are reset to lowest level (muted) |
| 00:56.44 | concept10 | How do I purge a package that will not configure and install correctly? --purge isnt working for me |
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| 00:56.54 | nvz | dvs: they are idiots they only know three functions, and they keep rearranging them to look like a program.. |
| 00:57.05 | ttl- | auto save changes to sesion is on |
| 00:57.05 | dvs | heh |
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| 00:58.20 | John2583 | I just installed debian 3.1 and im trying to configure a custom kernel and i am getting all kinds of errors, no such file, syntax, warnings just from make menuconfig.. any reason for this? |
| 00:58.54 | dvs | John2583: did you install build-essential and ncurses-dev? |
| 00:58.57 | nvz | ordinarily you wouldnt even fool the compiler much less the end user, but since they wrote their own retarted language and compiler, and dont distribute source, they dont have to worry about that do they? |
| 00:59.24 | John2583 | dvs i used the desktop and file server generic options.. that is all |
| 00:59.45 | dvs | John2583: you need development as well. |
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| 01:00.10 | John2583 | dvs that makes sense. i would have installed that, i didnt see the generic option. wahts the best way to install all the dev stuff? |
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| 01:00.33 | dvs | John2583: tasksel |
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| 01:02.34 | vi-config | nvz I compiled lightty from source because I wanted 1.4.13 ... and if I knew "wtf /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions is" I wouldn't be asking |
| 01:02.53 | nvz | vi-config: well then you asked the wrong channel |
| 01:02.53 | slaq | i have icecast2 installed but dont want it to start on boot.. is there a tool to update the symlinks in /etc/init.d? |
| 01:03.03 | nvz | vi-config: because we dont know what it is either |
| 01:03.09 | wrabbit^ | I've just installed the netinst etch cd and x won't start. I've tried installing the nvidia drivers and it still won't work. I'm currently doing an apt-get dist-upgrade, hoping that'll it'll get the new xorg and set things right. Any other ideas? |
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| 01:04.00 | cmatheson | i'm looking for a multi-page tiff viewer.. eog only shows the first page. what will let me view the whole document? |
| 01:05.00 | karsten | cmatheson: tiff2pdf / tiff2ps and your preferred PDF / PS viewer |
| 01:05.14 | cmatheson | karsten: oh sweet, thanks |
| 01:05.20 | karsten | cmatheson: IIRC imagemagick's "display" also works. |
| 01:05.33 | cmatheson | karsten: oh great, i was just installing that |
| 01:05.48 | cmatheson | what package was that tiff2pdf in? |
| 01:05.50 | dansushi | i'm having trouble with apt-get. It's getting stuck on some things like: uim-anthy: Depends: libuim3 (>= 1:1.2.1) but it is not going to be installed. Is there some way to 're-install' apt-get, or maybe reset the cache so it doesn't get stuck on these anymore? |
| 01:05.51 | karsten | cmatheson: got a tiff for me to test? |
| 01:06.46 | karsten | !tell cmatheson about searcj |
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| 01:06.47 | karsten | !tell cmatheson about search |
| 01:06.48 | cmatheson | karsten: sure, it's big though (35M). i just scanned a section from my math bookk so that i don't have to carry it around anymoree |
| 01:06.55 | karsten | ok |
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| 01:07.08 | dendrite | dansushi: What flavor of debian are you running? |
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| 01:08.12 | cmatheson | karsten: do you want a file that big? how should i send it to you? |
| 01:09.05 | cmatheson | karsten: hmm, i'm not getting anything for tiff2pdf on packages.debian.org (i was trying unstable) |
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| 01:09.30 | dansushi | dendrite: what do you mean? |
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| 01:10.33 | dansushi | dendrite: i thought the term 'flavor' was used to describe distrobutions of linux |
| 01:11.14 | karsten | cmatheson: No, nevermind. |
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| 01:11.59 | karsten | cmatheson: package: libtiff-tools |
| 01:12.07 | cmatheson | karsten: oh ok, thanks |
| 01:12.23 | cmatheson | i wonder why package.debian.org didn't show that? |
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| 01:12.35 | karsten | Did you do a file search? |
| 01:12.42 | karsten | ... and in unstable/testing perhaps. |
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| 01:13.30 | cunzhang | odla, hi my KDE can't auto mount flash disk,but hard disk partition can't |
| 01:13.37 | cmatheson | karsten: oh i'm retarded. i used the top search... search package directories |
| 01:14.14 | vithos | is there a way to make gnu screen push text to my terminal's scrollback so i can use my scrollbar instead of edit mode? |
| 01:14.53 | cmatheson | karsten: that tiff2pdf works like wild magic. thanks |
| 01:15.22 | vithos | s/edit mode/copy mode/ |
| 01:15.30 | karsten | cmatheson: :-) |
| 01:15.39 | karsten | !customer </non-ironic> |
| 01:15.45 | karsten | Feh. |
| 01:16.05 | cmatheson | hehe. well, back to the math homework |
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| 01:20.08 | h3sp4wn | vithos: ctrl a - esc (goes into scroll mode) - I never found a way to make it permanent (seems to be the same as going into copy mode anyway) |
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| 01:22.35 | vithos | that doesn't seem to do it, because even in copy mode i can't use my terminal's (PuTTY's) scrollbar, because screen is just sending its buffer history as you view it, it wasn't already in your terminal's scrollback |
| 01:22.44 | John2583 | im running a 32 bit environment on my athlon 64 and im compiling my custom kernel, for processor family do i want to use opteron/athlon64/hammer/k8 or k6/k6-II/k6-III ?? |
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| 01:25.49 | KhanFused | Does the current etch installer have problems with Realtek 8139 nic cards? I'm trying an install, and it refuses to go past the 'detecting network hardware' section - even when I tell it the proper driver to use. Google is telling me nothing -- or I'm not using the right search terms. Suggestions? (other than 'find another manual to RTF... ;-) ) |
| 01:26.19 | Sero | hey guys. I've just put up a brand new server, I'm running software raid-5 on SATA disks. I have a constant load (with almost no useful services running) over 1 on boot. Isn't that really strange? |
| 01:26.32 | Sero | thetop |
| 01:26.50 | diskus | most peeps are probably sleeping now |
| 01:26.52 | John2583 | KhanFused, i dont know much about that installer but maybe try alt-f2 to open a new virtual terminal and load it manually with modprobe 8139too |
| 01:26.53 | h3sp4wn | vithos: you just use the vi keys to go up and down |
| 01:26.56 | John2583 | i think thats the name of hte module |
| 01:27.13 | vithos | h3sp4wn: yeah i know, but that's extremely slow over ssh with dialup |
| 01:27.22 | KhanFused | John - at that point in the installer, there's not enough of a shell to be able to do that |
| 01:27.45 | h3sp4wn | vithos: page up and page down also work etc |
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| 01:27.50 | John2583 | KhanFused, i just installed using the netinstall and i had a virtrual terminal at tha point it seemed? |
| 01:27.54 | vithos | h3sp4wn: that's why i want screen to stop trapping the scrollback text and just let it stay in my terminal |
| 01:28.07 | Sero | I have a constant CPU load of around 22% mostly caused by the Xorg and md1_raid5 services... |
| 01:28.20 | vithos | so that the text wouldn't have to be transmitted a second time |
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| 01:28.49 | KhanFused | I'm using the etch full disk ... and the alt-f2 virtual terminal has a limited set of commands... I don't remember seeing modprobe among them |
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| 01:29.26 | h3sp4wn | vithos: Are you using multiple terminals in the screen ? |
| 01:29.57 | John2583 | KhanFused, sorry all i know is with the installer i used i had to dhclient eth1 on mine manually because it was trying eth0 and it worked fine |
| 01:30.09 | vithos | h3sp4wn: yes, but i don't mind the scrollback being jumbled up if i have been switching between them |
| 01:30.15 | KhanFused | hmmmm |
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| 01:31.33 | Sero | I've used yesterdays debian-testing-net install image. It's a 2,6Gz Server 2Gigs RAM and 3 7200rpm 250 GIG SATA discs. Software-Raid shouldn't be a problem right? |
| 01:31.51 | John2583 | sero i wouldnt thinki so |
| 01:32.07 | Sero | Do you have experience with software raid? |
| 01:32.15 | John2583 | no i do not |
| 01:32.27 | Sero | hm, does anyone? |
| 01:32.28 | John2583 | id help otherwise i was just seeing you werent getting much response |
| 01:32.34 | Sero | :)) |
| 01:32.37 | h3sp4wn | vithos: My scrollback is fine (except when I switch between either sessions or irssi windows) - dtach works how you want screen to work (but only one screen per session) |
| 01:33.51 | vithos | h3sp4wn: yeah, i've been using dtach recently is what makes me want this in screen |
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| 01:35.22 | vithos | h3sp4wn: you're saying you can use your scrollbars to view previous text that was printed during a screen session? what kind of terminal (emulator) are you using? |
| 01:36.07 | h3sp4wn | vithos: I don't use the scrollbars (I just ctrl a - escape) and use page up / page down - using rxvt |
| 01:36.23 | vithos | when i scroll up i see "$ screen -xADR" |
| 01:36.29 | KhanFused | john -- fixed it ... used an earlier version of the netinstaller ... and if I end up with woody instead of etch, I'll have to update later |
| 01:36.33 | KhanFused | I'm just glad that it's working |
| 01:37.09 | vithos | ah. well yeah, screen's built in scrollback just isn't convenient over 16.8kbps dialup, and i see no reason why it can't do both |
| 01:37.21 | h3sp4wn | vithos: Its all jumpled up because I switch screens reasonably frequently so its not that useful but I do get some text) |
| 01:37.39 | vithos | h3sp4wn: copy mode never mixes up different windows for me |
| 01:38.40 | h3sp4wn | vithos: with irssi ? |
| 01:38.40 | vithos | correct |
| 01:38.42 | h3sp4wn | vithos: So it keeps all the channels into there own buffer ? |
| 01:39.46 | vithos | oh, no. i never use copy mode in irssi because irssi has its own scrollback (pgup/pgdown). i meant if i switch away from the irssi window to a bash window for example, the bash window's copy-mode scrollback is intact |
| 01:40.26 | xp_prg | what is the command to see what files were installed by a package, like rpm -ql but for debs? |
| 01:40.37 | vithos | apt-file show <pkg> |
| 01:40.38 | cafuego | xp_prg: dpkg -L <package> |
| 01:40.40 | h3sp4wn | vithos: Never realised irssi had its own scrollback thx (not used irssi for that long) |
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| 01:41.10 | h3sp4wn | vithos: do you have defscrollback 5000 (or something high in .screenrc ?) |
| 01:41.56 | vithos | h3sp4wn: i have the scrollback length at whatever its default value is |
| 01:42.09 | h3sp4wn | vithos: default value is 100 (I think) |
| 01:42.19 | vithos | maybe if i set it to 0 it will do what i want, sort of |
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| 01:42.24 | Cooner750_ | Hello |
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| 01:42.39 | Cooner750_ | How can I get sound working for my "0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)"? |
| 01:42.52 | karsten | !set up sound |
| 01:43.06 | vithos | nope, setting scrollback to 0 didn't let the text go into my terminal's scrollback |
| 01:43.07 | karsten | !sound |
| 01:43.07 | dpkg | [sound] ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 01:43.23 | karsten | Cooner750_: ac97 & alsa one-liner are your friends |
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| 01:46.42 | MArk_K | i am in Xfce and i have not sound :( help me please |
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| 01:46.57 | odla | MArk_K: run alsaconf |
| 01:47.04 | odla | MArk_K: do you have alsa-utils installed? |
| 01:47.05 | xp_prg | Mark_K what was the command to start Xfce? |
| 01:47.18 | Cooner750_ | in alsaconf I get "No supported PnP or PCI card found." |
| 01:47.22 | MArk_K | on i havnt |
| 01:47.29 | odla | xp_prg: :)...do you have gdm or kdm installed? |
| 01:47.53 | MArk_K | <xp_prg> startxfce4 |
| 01:47.54 | odla | xp_prg: have you tried #xfce or looked on their website? |
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| 01:48.50 | Cooner750_ | Anoyne have any ideas how I can get my sound working? |
| 01:50.03 | odla | Cooner750_: do you see your soundcard in dmesg? are your drivers loaded in lspci? |
| 01:50.14 | odla | or is it lsmod |
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| 01:52.07 | vithos | new question: if i run `pstree|head` my linedrawing characters get displayed correctly (-, +, and |); if i just run `pstree` all i get is -'s. what do i have misconfigured? |
| 01:52.14 | Cooner750_ | olda: I see via82cxxx_audio, via82cxxx, and ac97_codec loaded in lsmod. |
| 01:55.31 | Cooner750_ | anyone? |
| 01:55.32 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
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| 01:58.32 | MArk_K | where is this config (alsaconf) |
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| 02:00.52 | MArk_K | where is this alsaconf |
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| 02:06.23 | dendrite | MArk_K: alsa-utils |
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| 02:11.45 | Cooner750 | what is the module for "0000:00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 02)"? |
| 02:12.53 | dendrite | Cooner750: Try es1371 |
| 02:13.29 | focker | es1371 |
| 02:13.38 | focker | used to have one |
| 02:13.43 | zinx | snd-ens1371 |
| 02:13.52 | zinx | ALSA has come out since you last had one. |
| 02:13.57 | zinx | ALSA should auto-detect it, actually |
| 02:13.59 | focker | ha! |
| 02:14.53 | Cooner750 | Hmm, seems that I cant get sound working for either card.. |
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| 02:16.31 | MArk_K | ok theks |
| 02:16.41 | MArk_K | it work |
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| 02:17.41 | MArk_K | but now i have problem whis video avi |
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| 02:23.07 | John2583 | im running a 32 bit environment on my athlon 64 and im compiling my custom kernel, for processor family do i want to use opteron/athlon64/hammer/k8 or k6/k6-II/k6-III ?? |
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| 02:24.08 | Azar | needing help with this strange upgrade (sarge here): http://channels.debian.net/paste/4155 |
| 02:24.13 | dendrite | John2583: Without knowing anything about it, why wouldn't you choose athlon64 ? |
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| 02:24.58 | John2583 | dendrite, well i guess i just dont understand how linux deals with different environments, would it be at the kernel level, or library or what? |
| 02:25.06 | John2583 | 32bit vs 64bit |
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| 02:25.20 | John2583 | i knwo i used 64bit on my 64bit gentoo environment |
| 02:25.29 | John2583 | but now im usingt 32bit debian environment |
| 02:25.45 | karlosssos | cool |
| 02:26.02 | John2583 | cool that im switching from gentoo to debian ? haha |
| 02:26.04 | dendrite | John2583: That's to build a kernel, so it would not be userland... If I understand you correctly. |
| 02:26.50 | dendrite | John2583: My guess is you'd want a 64 bit kernel, and you'd use 32 bit libs if you want to run 32 bit programs. |
| 02:26.52 | Azar | I am not able to use aptitude upgrade anymore, why could be that? |
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| 02:27.48 | dendrite | Azar: That is kind of weird... What debian version? |
| 02:27.55 | Azar | dendrite: sarge |
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| 02:28.14 | Azar | since the last security upgrades, I am stuck with that screen |
| 02:28.16 | sorush20 | hi guys how do i recover a dpkg status file or list? |
| 02:28.46 | John2583 | aww |
| 02:28.48 | dendrite | sorush20: look in /var/backups for a recent snapshot. |
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| 02:30.23 | Azar | dendrite: strangely enough, my last security upgrades , did an X-windows, Xfree86 patch upgrade of some sort and stuffed xdm in it, which I have removed afterwards. Since, I am not getting anymore security upgrades, just that screen |
| 02:30.50 | zamaliphe | i need to install ssh server should i install opnssh or lsh-server ? |
| 02:31.09 | Soekisan | does any one knows of a way to share internet using debian and manage the bandwidth, like divide the bandwidth avaliable in 3, 33% pipelines? |
| 02:31.18 | Azar | would it that be that sarge will never get security upgrades anymore, pending the etch release? |
| 02:31.19 | dendrite | Azar: does apt-get work? |
| 02:31.32 | Azar | dendrite: hmm true did not tried apt-get |
| 02:31.34 | dendrite | Azar: No, sarge is certainly still supported. |
| 02:31.48 | Soekisan | a friend of mine has his internet shared and the sister video.googling eats up all the bandwith |
| 02:31.50 | John2583 | lol |
| 02:31.50 | John2583 | Soekisan something like CFQ would do that maybe |
| 02:32.25 | Soekisan | what is CFQ? |
| 02:32.55 | John2583 | im sorry |
| 02:33.17 | John2583 | its QoS and/or fair queueing in the kernel |
| 02:33.35 | John2583 | and there is Class Based Queueing too |
| 02:33.39 | John2583 | its traffic shaping |
| 02:33.54 | John2583 | you would set it up on a linux router |
| 02:34.05 | John2583 | say if you have a dsl line or smoeting |
| 02:34.15 | Azar | dendrite: I get : Err ftp://ftp.de.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 02:34.18 | Soekisan | ajam. |
| 02:34.20 | Azar | on apt-get |
| 02:34.21 | John2583 | adn it manages the upstream and downstream so that neither is maxed out |
| 02:34.39 | Soekisan | is there some way to do it MAC or IP based |
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| 02:34.59 | John2583 | i dont know, but you can limit based on application |
| 02:35.04 | Soekisan | like set 20%, 20% and 60% on a 3 pc small net. |
| 02:35.30 | John2583 | you want to limit your roommates or something haha? |
| 02:35.45 | Soekisan | yes |
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| 02:35.55 | dendrite | Soekisan: Maybe this helps: http://www.szabilinux.hu/bandwidth/ |
| 02:35.59 | Soekisan | my friend has a problem with her sister |
| 02:36.01 | John2583 | i think traffic shaping is the solution if you have a regular isp and multiple users.. traffic shaping will make sure your latency never spikes because someone is uploading/downloading a file |
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| 02:36.32 | Azar | dendrite: ok apt-get does not bring any new security packages, I guess is normal, and it does not offer to remove xfree86 and other packages like aptitude does: would aptitude not work in this situation? |
| 02:36.38 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:36.40 | Soekisan | but i have a problem with my roomates and wathever they download, and probably the torrenting that eats everything (they set it up to do it i guees( |
| 02:37.05 | John2583 | ya qos and fair queueing is what you want |
| 02:37.10 | dendrite | Azar: Hmm. Sounds to me like you've found the dark side of aptitude... I wonder if it's a known issue. |
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| 02:37.46 | Soekisan | hmm ill do a lil research on that |
| 02:38.04 | Soekisan | i doubt my friend could use it since it will prolly be linux based an shes on xp |
| 02:38.11 | Soekisan | but it would work for me |
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| 02:38.37 | John2583 | just set up a linux router to do NAT and traffic shaping it works well |
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| 02:39.36 | dockane_ | Soekisan: how experienced are you with setting up linux (in general)? |
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| 02:40.31 | Soekisan | dockane_ i have used debian since woody |
| 02:40.41 | Soekisan | but im not a coder or something |
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| 02:41.47 | dhuv | hello all |
| 02:41.52 | John2583 | hi |
| 02:41.56 | odla | yo |
| 02:41.57 | dockane_ | Soekisan: maybe devil-linux (.org) is an alternative for you as a router. i fits fine, cause the live-cd shell based thing exactly fits my needs here. maybe yours too |
| 02:42.36 | phogg | ? someone suggesting non-Debian as an option? |
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| 02:42.50 | phogg | isn't Debian the swiss army kitchen sink of distributions? |
| 02:43.18 | Caelum | what's the simplest way to redirect requests to 80 to 8080? iptables? |
| 02:43.28 | Soekisan | dockane_ let me check it out, last time i used one of those was a BBIAgent (if i recall right) |
| 02:43.35 | dockane_ | phogg: i think so. but i wouldnt like to reinvent everything |
| 02:43.41 | karsten | phogg: That would be the Swiss Navy Kitchen Hair Dryer. |
| 02:44.51 | karsten | Caelum: iptables, likely. Or a proxy server (eg: squid) |
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| 02:45.17 | phogg | karsten: I was thinking "Has an attachment/gizmo for every purpose," like a swiss army knife and "Includes the kitchen sink," meaning it has everything. |
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| 02:45.37 | karsten | phogg: Right. I can see that logic. |
| 02:46.08 | phogg | now that I think about it the analogy is not so good. Swiss army knives habe a zillion functions whether you use them or not. |
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| 02:46.29 | Cooner750 | Where do I put fonts? |
| 02:46.35 | karsten | phogg: Though I think it's more a Swiss Army _Power_ Kitchen Sink, on Steroids, with a Snap-On attachment. |
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| 02:47.04 | Caelum | karsten: that was easy as pie, http://www.linux.org.mt/node/50#N10041 :) |
| 02:47.06 | karsten | phogg: snap-on tools. |
| 02:47.09 | phogg | karsten: doesn't make as good a sound bite |
| 02:47.27 | karsten | phogg: _you_ try chewing on 22,000 packages ;-) |
| 02:47.35 | focker | any idea how to get the mouse to work on a Sun Sparc Ultra5 w/ fresh Debian install? |
| 02:47.38 | phogg | Cooner750: it depends (-: |
| 02:47.46 | Azar | dendrite is there a way I can view what was the last security upgrade I did installed/replaced? |
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| 02:48.15 | karsten | Azar: /var/log/aptitude, if you're using aptitude |
| 02:48.26 | Azar | thank you karsten, and hi! :) |
| 02:48.51 | karsten | Azar: Oi. |
| 02:48.52 | Caelum | focker: did you choose your mouse type in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 02:49.09 | Caelum | focker: or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 02:49.19 | phogg | Cooner750: Probably you want /usr/local/share/fonts/ |
| 02:50.02 | focker | using stable so it has x11 and I accidentally skipped the x config |
| 02:50.17 | karsten | 19,279 packages in unstable |
| 02:50.48 | Azar | holy cow! on Oct 10 an aptitude upgrade installed all new xfonts, xfree86-common, xfs..etc. Would that be a genuine security upgrade or is some hoax? |
| 02:51.07 | Azar | I don't recall to see this security upgrades in the debian news |
| 02:51.13 | Caelum | focker: if you're not using xorg, it's a file called /etc/X11/XF86Config or something like that, try just changing the mouse type to "sun" |
| 02:51.43 | phogg | focker: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg) |
| 02:52.11 | focker | once in the terminal, there was a msg about sunmouse and switching to 1200 baud |
| 02:52.22 | karsten | And there's a bit of duplication there through package subsetting. |
| 02:52.32 | phogg | karsten: I'm behind... only 11457 packages installed. |
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| 02:53.13 | cheikh | i wanna upgrade my system but i get this error how do i fix it E: /var/cache/apt/archives/wodim_5%3a1.0~pre4-1.1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/readcd.1.gz', which is also in package cdrecord |
| 02:53.14 | phogg | sorry, no... only 11457 known. 6335 installed. Whew. |
| 02:53.29 | karsten | a few grand installed is fairly typical IME. |
| 02:53.44 | Caelum | cheikh: dpkg -i --force-overwrite file.deb |
| 02:53.48 | karsten | 1533 installed here. |
| 02:53.52 | karsten | And /usr is full :-( |
| 02:54.03 | Caelum | how do you see # installed? |
| 02:54.11 | phogg | karsten: my /usr is 25G |
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| 02:54.25 | cheikh | ok |
| 02:54.31 | lunitik | phogg: you just went around installing everything? |
| 02:54.46 | karsten | phogg: 3.5 GB here. |
| 02:55.01 | Caelum | ahh, dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l works |
| 02:55.04 | Cooner750 | Copied new fonts. Now do I restart X? |
| 02:55.06 | Caelum | 1161 here |
| 02:55.07 | phogg | Caelum: I'm doing dpkg -l |grep ^iI | wc -l |
| 02:55.10 | Caelum | hehe |
| 02:55.15 | phogg | er, that's grep ^ii |
| 02:55.25 | Azar | karsten is only me or aptitude did the upgrade twice, therefore is inviting me to remove the twin side of the upgrade? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4156 Thank you |
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| 02:55.43 | linux2 | can anyone help me with using minicom |
| 02:55.44 | phogg | lunitik: no, not everything. Just things I'm learning about. I tend to neglect to remove things later, though. |
| 02:55.51 | linux2 | im trying to connect to a cisco router via minicom |
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| 02:56.00 | linux2 | but i am unable to connect using the correct settings |
| 02:56.55 | MArk_K | how to make xfce start with sistem withaut comand |
| 02:57.06 | karsten | Azar: Not sure where you're getting a double upgrade from. |
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| 02:57.13 | wols_ | MArk_K: install xdm|gdm|kdm |
| 02:57.16 | phogg | lunitik: I used to have about 7500, which was on a years-old workstation. After its hard disk died I used a copy of its dpkg --get-selections and a apt-get dselect-upgrade on this box. The package set is a little different, however. |
| 02:57.19 | lunitik | MArk_K: I'd use GDM with XFce |
| 02:57.37 | MArk_K | ok |
| 02:57.45 | MArk_K | thenk's |
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| 02:58.04 | phogg | but now at least all the programs I forget I assume I have are back |
| 02:58.28 | phogg | less, nmap, units, apcalc. Who could live without them? |
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| 02:59.03 | Azar | karsten, hmm you are right, I thought for a moment I have seen double, so what do you think that now it invites me to remove them? |
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| 03:00.12 | Azar | karsten: after that upgrade I removed xdm, and now aptitude is hanging on this : http://channels.debian.net/paste/4155 |
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| 03:00.43 | Azar | should I reinstall? |
| 03:01.05 | focker | had to select /dev/sunmouse |
| 03:01.18 | MArk_K | <lunitik> whot player you use for video |
| 03:01.38 | focker | thanks phogg |
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| 03:09.01 | Azar | what is the actual gcc version as of now for Sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 03:09.42 | dockane_ | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 03:11.09 | Azar | thanks dockane |
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| 03:12.33 | demantik_ | http://kiwi.peemail.org/sandboxed/kids_in_sandbox.mpg awesome :) |
| 03:14.01 | zamaliphe | i have install open ssh but i get this error ? |
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| 03:14.18 | zamaliphe | OpenBSD Secure Shell server not in use (/etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run) |
| 03:14.45 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.51 | zamaliphe | OpenBSD Secure Shell server not in use (/etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run) |
| 03:15.13 | karsten | zamaliphe: Did you install client or server? |
| 03:16.04 | zamaliphe | karsten: openssh-server from debian sid |
| 03:16.36 | karsten | zamaliphe: Hrm. |
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| 03:17.16 | karsten | zamaliphe: apparently that's a configuration option. |
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| 03:17.24 | karsten | zamaliphe: /etc/init.d/ssh tests for that file. |
| 03:17.35 | karsten | zamaliphe: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 03:17.49 | karsten | zamaliphe: .... and this time, indicate that, yes, you _would_ like to run the server. |
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| 03:18.23 | karsten | zamaliphe: Alternatively, deleting /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run may sort things up nicely. |
| 03:18.54 | Azar | karsten, I was not sure if to reconfigure xfree or not after the upgrade, should I ? |
| 03:19.20 | karsten | Azar: Dunno. Does it work? |
| 03:19.40 | Azar | karsten: sure, it works ok only aptitude tells me it is unused and offers to remove it? |
| 03:20.49 | Azar | I don't use any .dm stuff just plain X with openbox |
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| 03:24.37 | gubluntu | so i am pull like 3 gigs over ssh with rsync in vt1, anyone know how i can see its progress or at least its transfer speed? |
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| 03:25.52 | amphi | gubluntu: ipraf is a useful network monitor FWIW |
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| 03:27.23 | gubluntu | cool |
| 03:27.24 | gubluntu | thx |
| 03:27.38 | MArk_K | whot player for xfce is best |
| 03:27.51 | MArk_K | for video |
| 03:28.24 | stray_ | gubluntu: rsync --stats --progress .. |
| 03:28.29 | yansanmo | we can play video in linux? woot! |
| 03:29.24 | Caelum | MArk_K: mplayer, I guess |
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| 03:29.51 | wcstok | mplayer, vlc |
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| 03:31.41 | gubluntu | stray_, how do i use those flasg |
| 03:31.50 | gubluntu | ive got an rsync running in vt1 |
| 03:32.20 | gubluntu | irssi in vt2, if im in vt3, and i type rsync --stats --progress ''what |
| 03:32.30 | gubluntu | nevermind, ill just rtfm |
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| 03:32.36 | MArk_K | Caelum it is for kde |
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| 03:33.00 | dhuv | I /part |
| 03:33.03 | brendonjt | hi there all |
| 03:33.14 | insmod | MArk_K: no it isn't |
| 03:33.33 | insmod | MArk_K: mplayer can be used in any wm |
| 03:34.03 | stray_ | gubluntu: you could stop rsync session and restart it with the stat and progress options.. |
| 03:34.18 | brendonjt | I am using debian etch at the moment just wondering when the next build comes out/final release does that come down the repo's through apt-get or is it a new install |
| 03:34.26 | gubluntu | how do i force --stats or --process on a rsync already running |
| 03:34.34 | Caelum | MArk_K: kmplayer, with mplayer |
| 03:34.34 | MArk_K | yes but it need to install kde pockats |
| 03:34.55 | MArk_K | & |
| 03:34.56 | MArk_K | ? |
| 03:35.36 | Caelum | MArk_K: if you want to use kde, yes, otherwise just use regular mplayer |
| 03:35.41 | insmod | MArk_K: ? don't install kmplayer |
| 03:35.42 | Caelum | !mplayer |
| 03:35.42 | dpkg | mplayer is probably not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 03:36.03 | MArk_K | <insmod> thenks |
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| 03:36.20 | MArk_K | <Caelum> to |
| 03:37.04 | brendonjt | I am using debian etch at the moment just wondering when the next build comes out/final release does that come down the repo's through apt-get or is it a new install |
| 03:37.16 | karlosssos | bye :-) - gonna get some water |
| 03:37.41 | insmod | MArk_K: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 03:37.50 | Wyzard | brendonjt: etch will be released sometime in December |
| 03:37.57 | Wyzard | brendonjt: and yes, you can upgrade your existing installation |
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| 03:40.24 | dbristow | a colleague of mine is asking me where to set color settings for ls. I don't use debian, I use fedora core 5, which has /etc/DIR_COLORS. what is the equivalent for debian? |
| 03:40.25 | brendonjt | Wyzard, I am using the testing version of etch now, so it will update via apt-get, sorry for the confussion i was using *buntu distro |
| 03:40.30 | liable | dbristow: its in your .bashrc |
| 03:40.38 | wols_ | brendonjt: testing IS etch. no "testing version of etch" |
| 03:41.11 | wols_ | and it will be testing until it's released which is (hopefully) this december |
| 03:41.47 | brendonjt | wols_, so it is basically apt-get update &&apt-get dist-upgrade all the way through |
| 03:42.40 | insmod | dbristow: i believe it is set the same with all - that may just be a easy link to set default --man ls |grep color |
| 03:42.45 | LordBrain | i get this a lot: W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package libpoppler0c2-glib |
| 03:42.55 | LordBrain | what's a DebCompareOp ? |
| 03:43.06 | LordBrain | apt-get update gives me that message |
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| 03:43.50 | insmod | dbristow: then in alias change alias ls='ls --color=auto' to your new setting |
| 03:44.16 | iturk | hi there i have a problem in kismet http://pastebin.ca/214633 !! can someone help ?? |
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| 03:47.30 | jaye | where in the docs dir is the custom kernel guide? |
| 03:47.39 | karlosssos | ja |
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| 03:49.01 | mlowe | jaye, wiki.debian.org probably has most current info |
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| 03:58.05 | karsten | iturk: That's likely pretty technical, might try a mailing list / newsgroup. |
| 03:58.14 | jaye | what is the difference between the kernel-tree packages and the kernel-source packages? |
| 03:58.58 | mlowe | jaye, tree gets all headers for different flavors/architectures |
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| 04:00.01 | jeevsies | hi :) |
| 04:00.02 | jaye | mlowe: thanks |
| 04:00.07 | jeevsies | can anyone tell me what coding is? |
| 04:00.23 | karlosssos | codeine |
| 04:00.36 | karsten | jeevsies: Painful. |
| 04:00.45 | LordBrain | programming |
| 04:00.59 | jeevsies | karsten what does that mean? |
| 04:01.12 | karlosssos | troll? |
| 04:01.15 | jeevsies | troll? |
| 04:01.16 | karsten | jeevsies: That depends entirely on context. |
| 04:01.20 | karsten | karlosssos: Yathink!? |
| 04:01.25 | karsten | karlosssos: My wager's bot. |
| 04:01.28 | karsten | jeevsies: shutdown now |
| 04:01.49 | jeevsies | ? |
| 04:01.53 | karlosssos | omg |
| 04:02.03 | karlosssos | !ops bots |
| 04:02.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karlosssos complains about: bots |
| 04:02.14 | LordBrain | jeevsies: "coding" is a synonym for programming, it means creating the software you run on the computer... |
| 04:02.28 | jeevsies | OH like scripting with mirc? |
| 04:02.33 | LordBrain | yes |
| 04:02.40 | LordBrain | jeevsies: how old are you? |
| 04:02.42 | jeevsies | ok cool :D |
| 04:02.43 | jeevsies | 13 |
| 04:02.51 | karlosssos | lol |
| 04:02.54 | karlosssos | nvm |
| 04:03.01 | karsten | karlosssos: bot, tweener, same difference. |
| 04:03.04 | zinx | coding is a lesser version of programming, indicating that you have no real skill, you just write what you're told to write :D |
| 04:03.35 | karsten | jeevsies: So how *is* the weather in Winnipeg? |
| 04:03.39 | LordBrain | hmmmm i dont think it's used that way zinx, seems to be used as a synonym for programming |
| 04:03.49 | LordBrain | i'd say |
| 04:04.03 | jeevsies | karsten, cold |
| 04:04.13 | jeevsies | i was at the bomber game today, they won 28-13 against calgary ;p |
| 04:04.21 | jeevsies | hey zinx can you tell me what a protected abstract virtual base pure vitual private destructor is |
| 04:04.46 | LordBrain | a typo |
| 04:04.49 | jeevsies | protected abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor |
| 04:04.50 | jeevsies | ;p |
| 04:04.50 | jeevsies | yes |
| 04:04.52 | jeevsies | i noticed that |
| 04:05.16 | zinx | jeevsies: non-extant :/ |
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| 04:05.30 | karsten | jeevsies: So, what's your question / interest here? |
| 04:05.53 | jeevsies | experiment karsten |
| 04:05.54 | jeevsies | nothing more ;) |
| 04:05.54 | zinx | jeevsies: but if it did exist, it'd be a C++ monstrousity gone horribly wrong |
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| 04:06.07 | karsten | jeevsies: NP. |
| 04:06.16 | karsten | ... which == no problem. |
| 04:06.31 | jeevsies | yes, i picked up ont hat ;p |
| 04:06.40 | jeevsies | on that* |
| 04:07.17 | liable | intelligent sounding 13yo... |
| 04:07.31 | liable | not one lol! |
| 04:07.46 | jeevsies | maybe |
| 04:07.51 | jeevsies | or maybe someones telling me what to say :) |
| 04:08.06 | jeevsies | most more than likely im not 13 |
| 04:08.07 | jeevsies | :) |
| 04:08.11 | jeevsies | anyways |
| 04:08.13 | jeevsies | have a good night guys |
| 04:08.16 | jeevsies | thanks for your help ; |
| 04:08.17 | jeevsies | :) |
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| 04:09.09 | jaye | if I build a kernel with make-kpkg and the --initrd option on do I need to go change the fs from cramfs to something else or has that been resolved? |
| 04:10.54 | liable | good question, i havent ever made a kernel with --initrd |
| 04:11.09 | Caelum | I've always used --initrd, haven't had any problems |
| 04:11.23 | liable | vanilla or debian sources? |
| 04:11.39 | liable | isnt that one of the things debian patches the kernel for? |
| 04:11.42 | Caelum | plain sources, or from git, or whatever |
| 04:11.51 | liable | ok |
| 04:11.54 | Caelum | that was a long time ago |
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| 04:12.17 | Caelum | now it's in the regular kernel tree |
| 04:13.44 | jaye | I have just been grabbing the kernel-source-2.6.8 package, does that have the debian patches applied? |
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| 04:15.48 | pzn | Hi. Its been some hours that I'm trying to debug an openswan instalation in debian. it is working with some instabilities, sometimes the daemon dies without any message... now I noticed that tha machine has an -k7 kernel, but is Intel Celeron 2.5MHz. do you think that could be the cause of the problem? |
| 04:16.13 | sussudio | pzn: yes |
| 04:16.31 | Caelum | jaye: yes |
| 04:16.50 | pzn | so this could cause some very weird software locks... sometimes in l2tpd, sometimes in ppp, ... |
| 04:17.07 | Caelum | pzn: it shouldn't, but that's a bad idea nonetheless |
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| 04:17.35 | sussudio | l2tp makes baby jesus kick ISPS in the testes. |
| 04:18.52 | Caelum | worked fine :) |
| 04:19.55 | pzn | sussudio, Caelum: :-) I'll get kernel source, patches and recompile it for 686 then... thanks! |
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| 04:22.46 | karsten | Caelum: Sick. |
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| 04:31.59 | snadge | how do i turn on network checks with spamassassin? |
| 04:32.13 | snadge | the documentation on the spamassassin site says "just turn it on" .. real useful |
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| 04:41.05 | mauricio | hello to every one |
| 04:41.18 | mauricio | i would like some of you |
| 04:41.20 | mauricio | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.25 | mauricio | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.45 | mauricio | openhardware thing |
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| 04:42.16 | mauricio | i am looking for this type of info |
| 04:42.38 | mauricio | some one? |
| 04:42.48 | mauricio | there? |
| 04:42.51 | liable | theres a web site for it, cant remember the name |
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| 04:42.56 | zamaliphe | i need to test if my port 22 ssh is open or not can any body help with is ? |
| 04:44.04 | mauricio | here in colombia we are geting on that thing but is few peoploe working on that |
| 04:44.25 | liable | mauricio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_hardware lots of links on that page |
| 04:44.52 | mlowe | mauricio, this is channel for debian dicussions/questions, you are off topic |
| 04:45.03 | liable | zamaliphe: is sshd running i guess is the first thing you want to check.. |
| 04:45.21 | liable | zamaliphe: if it is, then try and connect :P |
| 04:45.32 | zamaliphe | liable: i have test it and it works thanks |
| 04:45.57 | liable | mlowe: while you're correct, its not really like theres people queing for answers |
| 04:46.00 | mauricio | ok i know, however i can tlak a litlre abuot debian |
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| 04:56.49 | holycow | anyone here run zabbix with pgsql on debian? |
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| 04:57.44 | bonez41 | is there any sort of #debian-exim-mailman channel? |
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| 04:58.47 | Rubin_ | is there a trick to getting a USB keyboard to work? |
| 04:59.46 | bonez41 | Rubin_, plug it in,....plug it in.......;) |
| 04:59.56 | bonez41 | Rubin_, what's your USB keyboard NOT doing? |
| 05:00.06 | bonez41 | Rubin_, does the board work on other machines? |
| 05:00.19 | Rubin_ | i plugged it in, nothing happens |
| 05:00.35 | Rubin_ | it has worked on other machines in the past. i havent tested it _today_ but i will :) |
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| 05:01.14 | holycow | Rubin_, yeah should just work |
| 05:01.46 | Rubin_ | ugh. i ran hwinfo, and the whole box locked hard |
| 05:02.05 | Rubin_ | maybe it'll work after this reboot :) *crosses fingers* |
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| 05:03.06 | NewTrickster | hey all |
| 05:04.15 | Rubin_ | hi NewTrickster |
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| 05:08.29 | Rubin_ | hrm |
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| 05:08.54 | Rubin_ | good call bonez41. something mustv happened to it.. doesnt work in my laptop either |
| 05:09.05 | Rubin_ | odd, i just baught it a month ago :/ |
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| 05:11.44 | odla | icedove is in sid |
| 05:11.56 | Rubin_ | lol |
| 05:12.06 | liable | odla: where you been the last week? :P |
| 05:12.36 | odla | i don't use thunderbird |
| 05:12.40 | Rubin_ | i dropped it on the floor by mistake, and now it works :) |
| 05:12.41 | odla | i use kmail |
| 05:12.50 | odla | so i'd only notice if iceweasel hit sid |
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| 05:13.02 | liable | Rubin_: ah, the 'technical tap' :) |
| 05:15.18 | Rubin_ | is there a key combo to minimize, maximize, etc in kde? |
| 05:15.32 | bonez41 | Rubin_, if it's that new, take it back and get them to give you another keyboard.. |
| 05:15.48 | Rubin_ | bonez41: i think im just past the 30 days :/ |
| 05:15.55 | Rubin_ | damn thing must have a timer in it heh |
| 05:16.24 | Rubin_ | it was the cheapest usb keyboard i could find, which i guess is both good and bad. |
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| 05:33.35 | insmod | Rubin_: well you always use my scam |
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| 05:33.57 | insmod | Rubin_: buy a new one and return the old one |
| 05:34.07 | dasani | what package is 'cc' in? |
| 05:34.31 | Rubin_ | insmod: yeah, iv done that before |
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| 05:35.38 | Rubin_ | dasani: on my system, cc is an alias to the alternatives path, so multiple |
| 05:35.56 | insmod | Rubin_: i try to stick to PS/2 my wireless keyboard and mouse need to reach downstairs when i bring it up to my to -- which my tv out goes to |
| 05:36.20 | insmod | tv that is |
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| 05:36.38 | dasani | Rubin_: thanks. i see on a different computer now that cc just symlnks to gcc |
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| 05:37.08 | Rubin_ | i got this kbd the day my son puked on my wifes laptop keyboard, so she could use her computer till the dell guy came |
| 05:37.19 | Rubin_ | so in a sense its served its purpose |
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| 05:39.08 | mlowe | keyboards prefer coke to vomit !! |
| 05:39.39 | insmod | mlowe: mine likes beer |
| 05:40.22 | mlowe | coke cleans the contacts for you |
| 05:40.44 | insmod | mlowe: realy ? how |
| 05:41.15 | mlowe | coke was origanally patient as a rust remover for batteries |
| 05:41.26 | Rubin_ | i think thats a myth :) |
| 05:41.32 | insmod | mlowe: so how would i do it |
| 05:41.44 | mlowe | not sure |
| 05:42.07 | insmod | Rubin_: no i think that is right and the coke in it was orig cocaine |
| 05:42.17 | insmod | Rubin_: to adict you |
| 05:42.31 | Rubin_ | that is true, but i dont quite understand why they would put cocaine in rust remover |
| 05:42.36 | Rubin_ | so thats the hangup.. |
| 05:42.47 | mlowe | that one i know also, but pre 1910 (i think) |
| 05:42.57 | Rubin_ | actually |
| 05:42.58 | insmod | Rubin_: once it became a soft drink they did |
| 05:43.01 | Rubin_ | there is still cocaine in coke |
| 05:43.15 | insmod | Rubin_: no |
| 05:43.19 | Rubin_ | they are the only licensed cocain treatment company in the USA (they take the drug part out of it) |
| 05:43.22 | yansanmo | only cafeine |
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| 05:43.47 | Rubin_ | its not cocaine, but its from the same plant, just treated down |
| 05:44.11 | insmod | Rubin_: no they stopped that |
| 05:44.17 | Rubin_ | when? |
| 05:44.21 | insmod | mlowe: so how would i do it |
| 05:44.23 | psychonate | 600 AD |
| 05:44.31 | insmod | Rubin_: years ago i thaught |
| 05:44.47 | psychonate | 1406 years ago |
| 05:45.26 | karlosssos | hi |
| 05:45.48 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: if you upgrade a debian kernel. it will fail and complain about the "Old" paramater in .postinst line 393 too.. not just custom kernels. or maybe its just me. |
| 05:45.59 | Rubin_ | they stopped putting real full cocain in years ago. but my understanding was they still use de-cokified coca plant extract |
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| 05:46.25 | fizz | uhh i partitioned my hard disk prior to installing debian and left 12gb for a windows xp install. if i install XP now and select the 12gb of space will it automatically add to grub? |
| 05:46.26 | IamEthos | is the flash plugin 9 not in any debian repos yet? |
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| 05:47.01 | holycow | is there a meta package in debian to install all the tools required to compile a typical c app ? |
| 05:47.12 | Rubin_ | holycow: yes |
| 05:47.16 | Rubin_ | i think its build-essential |
| 05:47.21 | holycow | oh thats what it is! |
| 05:47.22 | holycow | danke! |
| 05:47.55 | SkareCrow | what file runs the bash terminal thing after you login? |
| 05:47.56 | IamEthos | what is the problem with this line: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:48.12 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 05:48.18 | Rubin_ | IamEthos: are you root? |
| 05:48.20 | IamEthos | yep |
| 05:48.31 | Rubin_ | nothing obvious |
| 05:48.40 | IamEthos | how do I update the package tree? |
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| 05:48.58 | IamEthos | though I imagine at least SOME version would have been in the package tree a month ago |
| 05:48.59 | karlosssos | fsck me pls |
| 05:48.59 | Rubin_ | apt-get update |
| 05:49.03 | IamEthos | so that shouldn't be the issue |
| 05:49.06 | IamEthos | and we just ran that |
| 05:49.10 | Rubin_ | maybe you dont have the necessary repository |
| 05:49.23 | insmod | mlowe: ? |
| 05:49.24 | IamEthos | Rubin_, according to the website it's in stable |
| 05:49.45 | Rubin_ | do you get some type of error message? |
| 05:49.47 | Fox_1_ | people when i write apt-get remove exim4-config, exim4, apt wants to remove mysql-server, courier-imap, at ... how to remove exim4 from my computer? just exim4. |
| 05:49.53 | IamEthos | Rubin_, not found |
| 05:50.02 | IamEthos | which seems ridiculous |
| 05:50.06 | IamEthos | because it's clearly there |
| 05:50.29 | fizz | uhh i partitioned my hard disk prior to installing debian and left 12gb for a windows xp install. if i install XP now and select the 12gb of space will it automatically add to grub? |
| 05:50.32 | IamEthos | unfortunately I'm trying to help a friend and I can't be at (or ssh into) the machine right now |
| 05:50.35 | Rubin_ | Fox: i think those things require _some_ mail daemon, so maybe install an alternative and let it remove exim as its conflicts forces it to |
| 05:50.42 | IamEthos | fizz, no |
| 05:50.55 | IamEthos | in fact, Windows XP might try to fuck up grub |
| 05:50.56 | Rubin_ | IamEthos: i just tried it on my system for kicks, and its installing ok |
| 05:51.08 | IamEthos | Rubin_, weird |
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| 05:51.19 | Fox_1_ | Rubin_: i want to install qmail, but i couldn't find it in debian packages |
| 05:51.31 | fizz | IamEthos: how do i go about doing it? |
| 05:51.35 | Fox_1_ | Rubin_: so i must compile it from source |
| 05:52.24 | karlosssos | am i on drugs? |
| 05:52.35 | Fox_1_ | Rubin_: so, i must remove or stop exim4 |
| 05:52.44 | IamEthos | fizz, I think it's usually best to install Windows XP first |
| 05:52.56 | IamEthos | fizz, best way to go is to get two computers |
| 05:52.57 | Rubin_ | Fox_1_: hrm. mysql-server depends on mailx, which depends on: exim4 | mail-transport-agent |
| 05:52.58 | fizz | IamEthos: woops..... |
| 05:52.59 | karlosssos | fizz, http://www.linux-xp.com/ |
| 05:53.02 | IamEthos | especially if you use windows a lot |
| 05:53.11 | IamEthos | you'll HATE switching back and forth rebooting |
| 05:53.29 | fizz | IamEthos: naw i dont...but i need it for a few things. so there is no way to do this?! |
| 05:53.52 | Rubin_ | Fox_1_: so only thing i can think of is you can override the dependancy (yikes) or find another package which satisfies mail-transport-agent without getting in your way |
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| 05:54.41 | IamEthos | fizz, that I'm not sure about |
| 05:54.44 | Fox_1_ | Rubin_: ok, i'll stop the exim |
| 05:54.46 | Jabka | how to get ndiswrapper module |
| 05:55.02 | Guerin | best way is to just not use windows |
| 05:55.04 | Guerin | simple |
| 05:55.09 | Guerin | yet effective |
| 05:55.16 | fizz | Guerin: i need windows for a few things |
| 05:55.20 | Guerin | Fox_1_: don't install qmail, it's bad and wrong |
| 05:55.21 | IamEthos | I just know that it was a lot easier to replace the Windows boot manager with Grub. Grub auto-detected Windows for me even |
| 05:55.29 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: why? |
| 05:55.32 | Guerin | fizz: i find they're good for seeing out of |
| 05:55.35 | fizz | Guerin: couple games |
| 05:55.37 | Guerin | !qmail |
| 05:55.38 | Rubin_ | Jabka: theres ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-*yourkernelversion* packages |
| 05:55.38 | dpkg | well, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html |
| 05:55.40 | fizz | Guerin: updating upod |
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| 05:55.49 | IamEthos | Guerin, I hate when people assume that Windows is completely useless |
| 05:55.57 | IamEthos | there are a lot of situations that require windows |
| 05:56.12 | Guerin | Fox_1_: short ansdwer: in default config it makes your host into a spam multiplier |
| 05:56.17 | fizz | IamEthos, Guerin : id agree with IamEthos |
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| 05:56.29 | Guerin | IamEthos: i'm not saying it's useless; I'm saying most people could do without it if they tried |
| 05:56.42 | Jabka | Rubin_:i tried apt-cache search but could not find |
| 05:56.42 | Guerin | games -> console |
| 05:56.51 | IamEthos | Guerin, I tried, and people kept forcing me to use it |
| 05:56.56 | IamEthos | it became a pain in the ass |
| 05:57.06 | Guerin | IamEthos: people forced you to? For work? Or...? |
| 05:57.09 | fizz | and whats with linux and flash player |
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| 05:57.15 | IamEthos | Guerin, mostly work |
| 05:57.17 | fizz | is mine just not configured right, cause it sucks. |
| 05:57.25 | Guerin | fizz: ask adobe, they're the people who keep it constantly fucked |
| 05:57.30 | fizz | some flash work, some dont and screw up layers and stuff |
| 05:57.32 | IamEthos | but school projects required Microsoft software |
| 05:57.34 | Rubin_ | Jabka: i ran apt-cache search ndiswrapper and found it |
| 05:57.36 | Fox_1_ | does postfix support virtual hosts and mysql? |
| 05:57.42 | fizz | and when im on youtube, the sound and video are WAY off |
| 05:57.43 | karlosssos | <es |
| 05:57.43 | Guerin | Fox_1_: of course. |
| 05:57.55 | IamEthos | fizz, are you using flash 7 or flash 9? |
| 05:57.56 | Guerin | !postfix howto |
| 05:57.57 | dpkg | from memory, postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 05:58.04 | fizz | IamEthos: 7 |
| 05:58.05 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: what are you suggest? prostfix? |
| 05:58.09 | IamEthos | if you're using flash 7, be grateful that sound works at all |
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| 05:58.18 | fizz | IamEthos: someone told me not to use 9 with sarge |
| 05:58.21 | Rubin_ | Guerin, IamEthos, fizz: yeah, theres a LOT of software, websites, etc that require windows. sad but its a fact we have to live with. |
| 05:58.25 | Guerin | Fox_1_: i use postfix, but exim is also good. Unless you have a very strong reason, use one of those. |
| 05:58.36 | Rubin_ | IamEthos: you should maybe try cxoffice though, its pretty good these days |
| 05:58.36 | Guerin | Rubin_: bollocks. I don't. |
| 05:58.47 | IamEthos | Rubin_, I had to use Microsoft great plains for a class |
| 05:58.49 | IamEthos | that sucked |
| 05:59.00 | IamEthos | and there's not really a similar enough linux alternative |
| 05:59.01 | Jabka | i have ndiswrapper biult into my kernel how can i start it ? |
| 05:59.01 | Rubin_ | im finally in a job where i dont need windows |
| 05:59.04 | Rubin_ | its really refreshing |
| 05:59.09 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: one more question and i'm going to read docs :) does postfix support Maildir? |
| 05:59.12 | fizz | IamEthos: are you on sarge or etch |
| 05:59.21 | Guerin | I use windows at work; but that's not my choice, it's the boss's |
| 05:59.25 | Guerin | fizz: of course it does. |
| 05:59.26 | IamEthos | fizz, I don't even use debian, a friend does |
| 05:59.27 | Rubin_ | Jabka: theres a howto somewhere, that probably can tell you how to set that up better than anyone here recalls from memory |
| 05:59.31 | IamEthos | I'm an Archlinux guy myself |
| 05:59.37 | IamEthos | (and I love it!) |
| 05:59.46 | fizz | Guerin: where can i get flash 9? |
| 05:59.47 | Fox_1_ | ok thanks |
| 05:59.54 | Jabka | Rubin_:thnx |
| 06:00.00 | Guerin | Fox_1_: ask adobe |
| 06:00.01 | amphi | IamEthos: what is 'microsoft great plains'? |
| 06:00.04 | Guerin | fizz: ask adobe |
| 06:00.10 | Guerin | fizz: i neither know nor care |
| 06:00.11 | IamEthos | fizz, google Flash 9 Linux |
| 06:00.14 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: what? |
| 06:00.15 | IamEthos | a blog entry will come up |
| 06:00.20 | Guerin | Fox_1_: misfire |
| 06:00.22 | IamEthos | with a link to another blog entry |
| 06:00.28 | IamEthos | with a link to the download lcoation |
| 06:00.37 | IamEthos | amphi, business management software |
| 06:00.46 | Fox_1_ | whats that? |
| 06:00.47 | amphi | and the entertaining EULA I hope ;) |
| 06:00.54 | IamEthos | does POs, SOs, inventory, accounting, etc. all in one |
| 06:01.08 | IamEthos | huge pain in the ass |
| 06:01.53 | Rubin_ | sharecropper. |
| 06:02.06 | liable | you should see oracles agreement form, its quite scary |
| 06:02.08 | holycow | indeed |
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| 06:02.27 | Guerin | IamEthos: you';re the one studyiung them at university |
| 06:02.46 | IamEthos | Guerin, hey, they're requirements for my CIS major |
| 06:02.51 | Guerin | whereas I should go back to tpynig skool |
| 06:02.52 | amphi | IamEthos: somethinglike sql ledger (sql-ledger.com) ? |
| 06:02.53 | Guerin | !cis |
| 06:03.01 | Guerin | wtf is CIS when it's at home? |
| 06:03.29 | Jabka | how i prevent module from loading ? |
| 06:03.36 | Guerin | Jabka: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 06:04.27 | Danamania | computer info systems |
| 06:04.28 | IamEthos | amphi, (shrug) not similar enough to replace it for the class needs |
| 06:04.52 | Guerin | wtf would someone studying computer information systems need to know/care about business processes? |
| 06:05.02 | IamEthos | Guerin, I'm actually an "Electronic Business Design" major |
| 06:05.13 | Guerin | IamEthos: oh, I can see the need there, then. |
| 06:05.20 | Guerin | IamEthos: you have my condolences, btw. |
| 06:05.28 | IamEthos | which is a fun way of saying web integration and development with a business |
| 06:05.59 | IamEthos | Guerin, I don't really care about the major. My plan is to snake my way to the top of a university and then start teaching web design programs properly |
| 06:06.16 | Guerin | IamEthos: oh, so you want a phd in computer science |
| 06:06.28 | IamEthos | Guerin, that's what I'll end up with, yep |
| 06:06.30 | Guerin | IamEthos: that's hard work, yo |
| 06:06.38 | IamEthos | right now, a BBA in EBizD is okay |
| 06:06.48 | niles | i use emacs. what constitutes a tab? make doesent agree with fundamental-modes 8 spaces. |
| 06:06.55 | IamEthos | then a masters from UofM in Computer Info Science |
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| 06:07.02 | IamEthos | then a doctorate for shits and giggl |
| 06:07.03 | Guerin | niles: ^I |
| 06:07.05 | IamEthos | *giggles |
| 06:07.27 | Guerin | IamEthos: 'm starting an MA in PoliSci next year |
| 06:07.29 | niles | how many spaces equal tab? and does hitting the space bar that many times == tab? |
| 06:07.30 | Guerin | if they'll have me |
| 06:07.33 | Xif | Hi. Where is the sshd log on debian? I want to see who logged in recently to my box? |
| 06:07.41 | Guerin | niles: na tab is not equal to n spaces |
| 06:07.54 | niles | ok |
| 06:07.55 | IamEthos | Guerin, good luck |
| 06:07.56 | Guerin | Xif: auth.log details logins |
| 06:07.58 | Xif | niles: that's arbitrary. and tab is unrelated to space. |
| 06:08.00 | liable | Xif: auth.log |
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| 06:08.03 | niles | well I hit the tab key in emacs |
| 06:08.09 | niles | and make it bitching. |
| 06:08.16 | Xif | thanks Guerin, liable |
| 06:08.24 | insmod | Xif: /var/ |
| 06:08.30 | Guerin | niles: and it inserts spaces out to a particular place related to the content of the line above |
| 06:08.52 | Guerin | niles: i'm not sure how to make an actual tab character in emacs; ask #emacs |
| 06:09.01 | Xif | niles: if you're using "spaces instead of tabs" in various editors (Emacs, Vim) you can specify how many you want. |
| 06:09.11 | Xif | ^Q-Tab |
| 06:09.28 | Jabka | thank you and bbay |
| 06:09.32 | niles | im hitting the tab key |
| 06:09.32 | Xif | (that's how you insert a literal tab, which shouldn't be done very often) |
| 06:09.50 | niles | is that a ctrl-Q-tab ? |
| 06:09.59 | Guerin | anything which doesn't treat whitespace equally is stupid anyhow |
| 06:10.38 | Guerin | woo, I got two spans today! bumper harvest! |
| 06:10.41 | niles | if i have to hit tab plus more stuff to simply tab. then i really need to learn vi. |
| 06:10.43 | niles | sigh. |
| 06:10.46 | Guerin | spams, even |
| 06:10.56 | Xif | niles: yes |
| 06:11.03 | Xif | Ctrl-Q, then Tab |
| 06:11.17 | insmod | Xif: mc is better |
| 06:11.42 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:11.46 | Xif | ok, I'm looking in auth.log, and it's a bit too much information. I only want to see logins to SSH from the network, and I need the IP address of the ones (trying to) log in. |
| 06:11.47 | Guerin | mc better than emacs |
| 06:11.50 | Guerin | that's hilarious |
| 06:12.02 | Guerin | Xif: man grep |
| 06:12.08 | fizz | awsome flash 9 fixed everything |
| 06:12.10 | Xif | Guerin: k, thanks. |
| 06:12.19 | fizz | there is no shockwave for linux right? |
| 06:12.27 | Guerin | fizz: ask adobe |
| 06:12.32 | fizz | lol |
| 06:12.38 | Guerin | seriously |
| 06:12.41 | Guerin | !nmfp |
| 06:12.41 | dpkg | from memory, nmfp is Not My Fucking Problem |
| 06:13.35 | niles | Xif ^Q-tab worked. thanx. btw do you use vi ? |
| 06:14.05 | Xif | niles: yes, I switched from Emacs |
| 06:14.21 | Guerin | heresy! |
| 06:14.30 | Xif | Emacs is nice as a platform, what with elisp and all, but Vim is a better editor. |
| 06:14.52 | niles | sounds like emacs sucks. |
| 06:14.56 | Xif | You accomplish more and more easily with less keystrokes. |
| 06:15.08 | Xif | niles: "sounds like emacs sucks." -> no, it definitely doesn't. |
| 06:15.19 | niles | lol |
| 06:15.25 | Xif | Guerin: that's exactly the thing that saves so many keystrokes. |
| 06:15.35 | Guerin | Xif: i suppose so. |
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| 06:15.42 | niles | Xif. #emacs just told me there is a make-file mode |
| 06:15.54 | niles | heh! i was in fundamental |
| 06:16.05 | Xif | niles: makes sense. |
| 06:16.06 | Guerin | that's what i *do* like about emacs: modes for everything |
| 06:16.35 | Xif | Vim has that too. in fact, one of the reasons I switched is that Vim is widening the gap of support for more and more languags. |
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| 06:17.35 | Xif | Emacs has excellent support for some of the older languages (e.g. Lisp, obviously) but Vim has better support for newer stuff like Ruby. |
| 06:18.19 | Xif | also, Unicode support in Emacs is a hellish mess, and I need that very much. |
| 06:18.28 | xingu | Xif: cat -n and echo ought to be enough for anyone |
| 06:18.41 | Xif | xingu: hehe, ed! |
| 06:19.38 | hooya | ed? pfft! nothing like twiddling the bits on the drive with a magnet. |
| 06:19.41 | holycow | !unstable |
| 06:19.42 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 06:19.58 | xingu | magnet? luxury |
| 06:19.59 | holycow | !apt |
| 06:19.59 | dpkg | methinks apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 06:20.07 | hooya | oh? |
| 06:20.08 | holycow | !sources.list |
| 06:20.08 | dpkg | from memory, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. |
| 06:20.12 | xingu | in my day all we had was a coil of wire, a hampster wheel, and a nail |
| 06:20.33 | Guerin | Xif: eh? |
| 06:20.40 | liable | holycow: dude, please /msg the bot |
| 06:20.45 | Guerin | Xif: unicode in emacs works fine for me. |
| 06:20.54 | hooya | hampster wheel? a wheel? |
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| 06:21.18 | hooya | in my day, we had to chisel a rock with a rock to make it roundish and roll that down a hill.. |
| 06:21.43 | Xif | Guerin: I guess you're smarter than me then :) I've spent days trying to get good, cross-platform Unicode + BIDI support for Emacs. |
| 06:21.57 | xingu | kids these days don't know they're born |
| 06:22.07 | SkareCrow | anyone know what file executes bash after a succesfull login? |
| 06:22.08 | fizz | what package do i need for Java? |
| 06:22.18 | fizz | java-common? |
| 06:22.20 | hooya | fizz: python? |
| 06:22.25 | hooya | ;) |
| 06:22.33 | fizz | hooya: huh? |
| 06:22.38 | hooya | just kidding.. |
| 06:22.41 | fizz | hooya: lol |
| 06:22.52 | IamEthos | why do people use such pain in the ass editors? |
| 06:22.55 | IamEthos | I never got that |
| 06:23.14 | hooya | IamEthos, that depends on which editor you're talking about.. |
| 06:23.15 | Guerin | Xif: i just used xmodmap to bind windows key to a control key and it works fine |
| 06:23.21 | SkareCrow | vim for linux and textpad for windows ;) |
| 06:23.26 | Guerin | Xif: i don't need/use bidi though |
| 06:23.27 | IamEthos | emacs and vi |
| 06:23.35 | Xif | SkareCrow: .bashrc for non-loging shells. |
| 06:23.44 | Guerin | IamEthos: what would you suggest? |
| 06:23.45 | hooya | *gasp* there are other editors? |
| 06:23.51 | IamEthos | I hear more questions about them than I ever hear things like "Wow, that was so easy." |
| 06:23.54 | Guerin | most other editors are toys, not tools |
| 06:24.01 | Guerin | or toys FOR tools |
| 06:24.32 | IamEthos | I like nano for doing system configuration type stuff |
| 06:24.35 | Guerin | IamEthos: simple things are sometimes non-trivial, but the reason people use them is because they make unsimple things simple |
| 06:24.37 | IamEthos | I think it's delightfully simple |
| 06:24.50 | hooya | Guerin, well put. |
| 06:24.52 | Guerin | IamEthos: nano is fine for lightweight work, but it's no good for anything serious |
| 06:25.05 | holycow | nano is designed for editing config files thats all |
| 06:25.06 | Silent_Chaos | nano ownz |
| 06:25.09 | holycow | for that its fantastic |
| 06:25.15 | IamEthos | and for anything complex, HTML, CSS, PHP, I'm way too picky for a commandline browser |
| 06:25.19 | Silent_Chaos | nano /etc/fstab |
| 06:25.21 | Guerin | nano ownz anything with lines less wide than your terminal |
| 06:25.31 | IamEthos | I like my mouse, I like my selecting abilities |
| 06:25.33 | holycow | thats wrong too |
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| 06:25.48 | SkareCrow | Xif: the .bashrc executes bash after the login? so my best bet would just to edit the /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc for anything serious? |
| 06:25.54 | IamEthos | *editor |
| 06:25.57 | hooya | IamEthos, try msf-abbrev sometime.. unless you use lisp then it's built right in (macros).. any other editor couldn't come close. |
| 06:26.14 | IamEthos | I'm a big fan of jEdit |
| 06:26.21 | Guerin | IamEthos: well, emacs mouse support is a bit shit, but that's because it's designed for users who don't need ,multi-choice |
| 06:26.27 | IamEthos | I don't know what people are editing that requires so much complexity |
| 06:26.48 | SkareCrow | Xif: probally /etc/profile - I think this file is executed no matter what? |
| 06:26.57 | holycow | IamEthos, i think the problem is people not making the distinction between editing and programming |
| 06:26.59 | Xif | SkareCrow: "the .bashrc executes bash after the login?" -> the other way around: when bash initializes, it runs .bashrc |
| 06:27.05 | Guerin | IamEthos: for me, it's mostly large xml documents |
| 06:27.06 | holycow | there are entirely two different tasks imho |
| 06:27.13 | Guerin | IamEthos: by 'large' I mean 'book sized' |
| 06:27.24 | mlowe | xemacs is my login shell |
| 06:27.27 | holycow | what the hell is going on with unstable the contrib and non-free repos |
| 06:27.31 | IamEthos | okay |
| 06:27.34 | hooya | holycow, unless you start writing programs that write the programs for you ;) |
| 06:27.37 | IamEthos | so I installed emacs for fun |
| 06:27.47 | IamEthos | and I have about a billions squares on my screen |
| 06:27.48 | IamEthos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.49 | holycow | http://www.debian.org/international/Danish/packages <-- i tried the telias repos and they are bouncing an update ... anyone know? |
| 06:27.54 | SkareCrow | well i wanted to create a script to check who is connecting, what ip they are connecting from and what not |
| 06:28.01 | Guerin | IamEthos: is this the 'i can't figure it out in 30 seconds so it's shit' conversation? |
| 06:28.11 | holycow | hooya, heh :) |
| 06:28.27 | holycow | emacs is pretty cool |
| 06:28.30 | IamEthos | Guerin, no |
| 06:28.32 | Guerin | holycow: file a bug? |
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| 06:28.38 | holycow | but its designed for programmingn not file editing |
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| 06:28.44 | IamEthos | it's the "Wow this is unintuitive as hell speech |
| 06:28.49 | IamEthos | what do I do? |
| 06:28.53 | IamEthos | I want to become enlightened |
| 06:28.57 | Guerin | holycow: no, emacs is explicitly designed for anything involving text files |
| 06:28.58 | holycow | Guerin, before filing a bug i would like to get confirmation |
| 06:28.59 | SkareCrow | and if i dont have them on my accesslist, such as there ip or ip for that name then it wont execute bash and disconnect them. i created a php script for this but you can easily press CTRL + C to exit the script before it kicks you off. i wanted to conditionally open bash |
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| 06:29.07 | Guerin | IamEthos: you read the tutorial |
| 06:29.11 | IamEthos | and I'm typing, but all I get are squares |
| 06:29.19 | SkareCrow | so if they did manage to press CTRL + C they wouldnt get any where |
| 06:29.23 | holycow | IamEthos, well you do tutorials to learn a very complicated tool |
| 06:29.29 | Guerin | IamEthos: well, something's fucked with your system config. In terminal, or X? |
| 06:29.32 | holycow | pretty much the same thing as for any complex tool |
| 06:29.37 | hooya | holycow, files are but incidental. |
| 06:29.38 | Guerin | IamEthos: and you're running Arch, not debian, right? |
| 06:29.43 | IamEthos | Guerin, x |
| 06:29.46 | IamEthos | oh yeah, should ask there |
| 06:29.48 | IamEthos | lol |
| 06:29.48 | fizz | uhh |
| 06:29.51 | fizz | can someone explain this to me |
| 06:29.55 | fizz | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 06:29.55 | fizz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.55 | fizz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.55 | fizz | E: Broken packages |
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| 06:29.59 | xingu | SkareCrow: man 5 hosts_access |
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| 06:30.09 | fizz | oops. |
| 06:30.10 | Guerin | fizz: moron |
| 06:30.13 | fizz | heh |
| 06:30.22 | SkareCrow | but i want to do more then check, i wanted to insert there ip and what not into a mysql dbase |
| 06:30.23 | Guerin | fizz: what needs explaining? The error tells you what you need to know |
| 06:30.36 | fizz | yeah but i cant download those packages |
| 06:30.42 | Guerin | fizz: if you want a program based on java, you need to install java, right? /msg dpkg java |
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| 06:31.06 | SkareCrow | i want them to be able to login, so i know if they actually know the password or not. i dont want to deny them right away. i actually want them to show me they can get on so i can figure out how they did it and fix the problem |
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| 06:32.22 | iturk | hi there i would like to play wav files in xmms which plugins is needed ? |
| 06:32.40 | Silent_Chaos | I'm gonna guess the wav plugin |
| 06:32.41 | Guerin | SkareCrow: you might look at fail2ban as a starting point |
| 06:32.44 | xingu | SkareCrow: also /etc/security/access.conf |
| 06:32.47 | hooya | fizz, put 'deb http://debian.opennms.org/ debian/opennms stable' in your sources.list |
| 06:32.57 | hooya | then install sun-jdk1.4-installer |
| 06:33.05 | iturk | Silent_Chaos: can you tell his name !! |
| 06:33.11 | Silent_Chaos | nope : / |
| 06:33.12 | fizz | alright thanks hooya |
| 06:33.18 | enders | after incorrect shutdown and restore fr rsync backup, now, when i do 'apt-get update', i get: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0026' near line 16 package `libglib1.2'. |
| 06:33.24 | nocti | anybody knows a good video converter that recognizes the different formats of avi and for wmv, dvd support too. thanks. |
| 06:33.25 | xingu | SkareCrow: with creative layering of pam you should be able to be certain that they have authenticated then been denied via pam_access |
| 06:33.32 | hooya | the use 'build-sun-jdk14 jdk*.bin' and install the resulting jdk*.deb package. |
| 06:33.41 | enders | i get this error too when i try to remove the package. what should i do? |
| 06:34.00 | SkareCrow | xingu: but can i execute a script after they are kicked off? |
| 06:34.04 | iturk | Silent_Chaos: ok its like i ask you i want a spon for the car !! and you answer oo the car's spoon is what you want !! |
| 06:34.11 | xingu | SkareCrow: doing this with scripts after the shell context has in fact been created is always going to come with the risk of an unanticipated race window |
| 06:34.14 | Guerin | enders: try moving the file out of the way |
| 06:34.19 | Guerin | enders: not deleting it, mind |
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| 06:34.32 | enders | Guerin: renaming it? |
| 06:34.44 | Guerin | enders: or moving it to another dir, yeah |
| 06:34.50 | enders | k |
| 06:35.03 | liable | enders: or dpkg --clear-avail |
| 06:35.04 | xingu | SkareCrow: don't let them on in the first place is my advice - no script needed; if you insist on aiming that loaded twelve-bore at your feet, accidental loss of toes is not going to be my problem |
| 06:35.16 | enders | k |
| 06:35.17 | Guerin | seconded |
| 06:35.37 | SkareCrow | i wanted to execute the script right after the login script is ran. once the login script is ran it has to run my script. you cant simply escape the login and be logged in. i can almost gurantee you that the login script doesnt start bash. or does it? |
| 06:36.10 | Guerin | SkareCrow: this sounds dangerous |
| 06:36.12 | SkareCrow | im not sure if thats bash or wtf, im refering to the, user@host:~$ |
| 06:36.28 | Guerin | SkareCrow: anyway, how do you determine the difference between a legitimate and a false login? |
| 06:36.33 | SkareCrow | Guerin: how would it be dangerous? |
| 06:36.44 | SkareCrow | i dont |
| 06:36.51 | Silent_Chaos | I'm learning iturk, dont judge me |
| 06:36.56 | Silent_Chaos | I'm trying to find your answer |
| 06:36.57 | Silent_Chaos | :P |
| 06:36.59 | Guerin | SkareCrow: doing *anything* in response to a successful login is a race condition, and race conditions are unpredictable |
| 06:37.07 | xingu | Guerin: the malfeasants are polite enough to be rfc3514 compliant |
| 06:37.36 | Guerin | ooh, malfeasants |
| 06:37.39 | SkareCrow | i said, the script i want to execute checks to see if there ip is on my access list, if it is it inserts there info into a mysql table. if it isnt, it will email me and kick them out, along with this there info will be thrown into a table so another program will alert me on a different box |
| 06:37.40 | Guerin | there's a word |
| 06:37.51 | fizz | uhh can someone tell me what hooya meant when he said "the use 'build-sun-jdk14 jdk*.bin' and install the resulting jdk*.deb package. |
| 06:38.48 | Guerin | fizz: it's probably a script which makes a deb out of a jdk package. /msg dpkg make-jpkg |
| 06:38.50 | enders | liable: after 'dpkg --clear -avail', 'apt-get update' gives: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 06:38.58 | Guerin | enders: do so |
| 06:39.04 | SkareCrow | i dont want to give them the user@host:~$, if my script works it will continue with the login proccess. just login the login script. if you dont login correctly you will be logged in and given the user@host:~$ if you login incorrectly you will be asked to login again. instead of my scripting telling them to login again i want to disconnect them |
| 06:39.38 | fizz | Guerin: didnt return any results from dpkg |
| 06:40.12 | enders | Guerin: when i do that, i get the old problem: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0026' near line 16 package `libglib1.2'. |
| 06:40.49 | xingu | SkareCrow: the minute you allow the kernel to exec login is the minute you start openning up a very nasty can of worms; trivially - if I can open connections faster than your userland can destroy the contexts on the far end of the pipeline, you'll run out of memory and/or process table slots |
| 06:41.15 | SkareCrow | cant i just stick the script in the /etc/profile? /etc/profile is executed before the user@host:~$ is shown. and they wont be able to escape that. |
| 06:41.39 | xingu | SkareCrow: you do not want to do that, really; prevent the fault with tcpwrappers, sshd configuration, or use of pam_access |
| 06:42.04 | liable | enders: out of interest, whats in that file? |
| 06:42.04 | SkareCrow | i dont see why i dont want to do that, cause im wanting to do it |
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| 06:42.32 | fizz | Guerin: how do i run that script to produce the deb file |
| 06:42.38 | enders | liable: i am trying the renaming now. |
| 06:43.04 | liable | enders: have a peek in it, it will more than likely be a text file |
| 06:43.27 | enders | if it is, would it be safe to just del it? |
| 06:44.04 | liable | enders: dont delete it, just move it elsewhere first, but take a look at line 16 and see if theres anything that stands out |
| 06:44.42 | enders | liable: i only see 4 lines of text about GLIB. |
| 06:45.31 | liable | ok, try just moving it. |
| 06:47.44 | enders | liable: moving it to /tmp seems to fix the problem. i can update and upgrade now. |
| 06:48.00 | liable | cool, is that dir empty now? |
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| 06:50.03 | enders | liable: yeah |
| 06:51.07 | Guerin | fizz: no idea |
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| 06:51.32 | enders | bye |
| 06:52.58 | liable | hrm, seems its a sort of tempory dir related to status file writing or some shit |
| 06:53.18 | SkareCrow | is there any way to exec a script but inside the script return it safely or something so you arent logged out after |
| 06:54.30 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: yeah, there's a bug about it open against kernel-package |
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| 06:59.55 | Fox_1_ | postfix ruls |
| 06:59.56 | Fox_1_ | !!! |
| 06:59.57 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 07:00.04 | Guerin | ooh, my hdd is making bad noises |
| 07:00.49 | amphi | Guerin: smartctl ;) |
| 07:01.04 | starsky_hutchy | hehhe.. |
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| 07:04.04 | Silent_Chaos | okees, so I'm creating a logical volume w/ LVM. I'm wondering if it's possible to have it use all available space or if I have to do this manually? |
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| 07:14.10 | Guerin | hm, grindy noises only when I run aptitude |
| 07:14.21 | Guerin | and it passes the smart tests and fscks ok |
| 07:15.19 | amphi | DDTT ;) |
| 07:16.09 | Guerin | DDTT? |
| 07:16.12 | Guerin | !ddtt |
| 07:17.30 | amphi | "don't do that then' |
| 07:17.37 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:17.52 | Guerin | bugger, I don't want to have to fuck with this thing |
| 07:18.16 | wols_ | all smart values check out ok? |
| 07:18.38 | wols_ | and you did the long smart test? |
| 07:19.33 | husson | what does smart test? it is really smart? |
| 07:19.51 | Guerin | it comes highly recommended |
| 07:20.03 | husson | what does it test? |
| 07:20.04 | Guerin | basically reads disgnostic data on the drive |
| 07:20.48 | husson | it is available as a package? |
| 07:21.05 | Guerin | smartmontools are the diagnostic userspace tools |
| 07:21.13 | husson | thks |
| 07:21.17 | Guerin | the capacity is actually dependent on the drives and bios in your machine |
| 07:21.24 | Guerin | see wikipedia for an explanation |
| 07:21.29 | husson | k |
| 07:22.31 | SkareCrow | is there a search command to search for things inside of a file? |
| 07:23.05 | wols_ | grep |
| 07:23.20 | SkareCrow | thx |
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| 07:25.23 | wols_ | debian is still the linux distro with the most platforms supported by far, right? |
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| 07:25.57 | liable | believe so |
| 07:26.59 | streuner | sure, who else? |
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| 07:28.20 | husson | does smartmontools write to the disk? |
| 07:28.28 | streuner | heh |
| 07:28.29 | streuner | no |
| 07:28.29 | wols_ | no |
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| 07:28.48 | husson | there is also a smart-notifier |
| 07:29.11 | streuner | if you playing with the firmware, keep in mind you'll loose warranty |
| 07:29.29 | liable | it doesnt do sata disks? |
| 07:29.46 | husson | streuner: that advice for me? |
| 07:30.01 | wols_ | liable: IIRC it does. it does scsi |
| 07:30.02 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 07:30.09 | SkareCrow | man, i always have bad luck. i just did something to my box using grap. i typed, grep -R "exec login" /* |
| 07:30.13 | SkareCrow | and now my server isnt ersponding |
| 07:30.16 | SkareCrow | disconnecting everyone |
| 07:30.17 | wols_ | problems make usb attached disks: they don't work |
| 07:30.35 | husson | streuner: what makes you think i am playing w the firmware? |
| 07:30.41 | liable | wols_: hrm, its says mine doesnt have smarts :) |
| 07:31.38 | streuner | well, iam asking myself what somebody wanna write with smartmontools... :-) |
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| 07:31.49 | husson | when i install smart-notifier, i get this: Unpacking smart-notifier (from .../smart-notifier_0.28-1_all.deb) ... |
| 07:31.50 | husson | Setting up python-dbus (0.71-3) ... |
| 07:31.52 | husson | Remove stale byte-compiled files... |
| 07:31.53 | wols_ | well, SATA disks have SMART. There is not IDE typ disk for the last 5-10 years without it |
| 07:32.13 | porkpie__ | Hi. are there any packages for enomalism ? |
| 07:32.17 | wols_ | streuner: manuafacturers have destructive write tests in their test suites |
| 07:32.27 | wols_ | !tell porkpie__ about search |
| 07:32.38 | husson | what is "stale byte-compiled files"? |
| 07:33.14 | wols_ | stuff like a .class fil in java which is obsolte since older than its corresponding .java |
| 07:33.28 | husson | streuner: i m not thinking about writing with smartmontools, i m worried if it does. |
| 07:33.32 | wols_ | python also compiles at least its standard lib and extensions to bytecode for faster execution |
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| 07:34.24 | wols_ | in this case the now (stale) python-dbus files from the old version |
| 07:34.42 | husson | wols_: thks. |
| 07:36.41 | husson | can't find smartmontools and smart-notifier in the kde menu after their installation. o.o |
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| 07:39.45 | Silent_Chaos | are lvm mounts not supposed to show up in mtab? |
| 07:39.51 | Silent_Chaos | o_O |
| 07:40.16 | husson | -.o |
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| 07:40.42 | husson | Silent_Chaos: what's the string for that emoticon? |
| 07:41.52 | husson | is there a chat client with a menu of emoticons to click to use? |
| 07:42.49 | husson | why the silence all of a sudden? |
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| 07:44.23 | Silent_Chaos | ? |
| 07:44.44 | Silent_Chaos | lower case o then uppercase O |
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| 07:44.58 | liable | and underscore |
| 07:45.02 | Silent_Chaos | yep |
| 07:45.09 | Silent_Chaos | hmmm |
| 07:45.15 | streuner | husson: gaim |
| 07:45.19 | Silent_Chaos | I think my lv might not be working right |
| 07:45.28 | streuner | husson: IIRC, can do such things |
| 07:45.37 | Silent_Chaos | I'm on windows right now |
| 07:45.50 | Silent_Chaos | haven't gotten around to fixing my ubuntu install yet |
| 07:46.21 | husson | o_O |
| 07:46.31 | Silent_Chaos | >:) |
| 07:46.46 | husson | O_o |
| 07:46.52 | Silent_Chaos | O_O" |
| 07:47.13 | husson | that doesnn't work. it should be o.o |
| 07:47.21 | husson | "o.o" |
| 07:47.39 | Silent_Chaos | T.T |
| 07:48.12 | SkareCrow | if i suspend a session does everything stop? all there proccesses |
| 07:48.13 | husson | olo |
| 07:48.27 | SkareCrow | like if i have them run a script and suspend there session at the same time, will that script keep running |
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| 07:48.51 | Silent_Chaos | Scarecrow, I don't know |
| 07:49.12 | SkareCrow | im testing it now |
| 07:49.12 | SkareCrow | ;) |
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| 07:50.20 | DaveLib | hello i am running sarge i recently installed from the sarge repositories mpd & mpc music player daemon & client respectively i installed those with apt-get i later didnt want them & removed them with apt-get |
| 07:51.18 | Nameeater | whats the question? :) |
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| 07:51.40 | tuv | is there an AA meeting taking place? |
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| 07:51.59 | DaveLib | for 2 days since removing i have gotten mail for root forwarded to my user account from from the daily cron doing logrotate that the mpd logfile is missing i checked in /etc/logrotate.d and found a file there for mpd |
| 07:52.13 | liable | my name is liable, and i havent opened a beer for 5 minutes |
| 07:52.41 | tuv | good.. whose next.. two done |
| 07:52.56 | DaveLib | having already done apt-get remove mpd mpc can i still do dpkg -P mpd mpc to clean up that ref to mpd in logrotate? |
| 07:53.05 | liable | yes |
| 07:53.28 | DaveLib | thanks liable |
| 07:54.03 | Nameeater | I was going to suggest using apt-get's purge, but same thing! |
| 07:54.35 | liable | apt cant purge the confs after its been removed, whereas dpkg can |
| 07:54.46 | Nameeater | didnt know that |
| 07:55.03 | liable | now you do :) |
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| 07:56.19 | SkareCrow | alright, if i suspend bash for that account, any script they are running wont get suspended ;) |
| 07:56.56 | DaveLib | thanks liable i just did the purge and checked the logrotate.d dir after and sure enough that file is gone now |
| 07:57.27 | liable | good :) |
| 07:58.54 | DaveLib | when i check man apt-get or apt-get --help i dont see about purging only removing |
| 07:59.06 | Silent_Chaos | oh golly, I forgot to mkfs my lv... no wonder it wouldn't mount... |
| 07:59.08 | Silent_Chaos | -_-" |
| 07:59.11 | DaveLib | how do we purge with apt-get ? |
| 07:59.14 | liable | DaveLib: apt-get --purge remove foo |
| 07:59.25 | DaveLib | ahh thanks |
| 07:59.28 | liable | or remove --purge foo |
| 07:59.40 | liable | or better, aptitude purge foo |
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| 08:01.16 | DaveLib | ahh yes i just looked further down in man apt-get and found the --purge option |
| 08:02.03 | Silent_Chaos | writing inode tables, YAY! |
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| 08:02.14 | DaveLib | so what is the difference between aptitude & apt-get someone in #debian told me apt-get cant remove packages installed by aptitude |
| 08:02.40 | Silent_Chaos | aptitude is purdy cool |
| 08:03.05 | DaveLib | my sarge system i did a netinstall than i added basic packages to that with aptitude ie X & gnome etc since then i have been using apt-get |
| 08:03.10 | liable | DaveLib: it can, but if you use both all the time, aptitude can get a bit screwy and want to remove a lot of shit. they have different database files |
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| 08:04.05 | DaveLib | so my system has been mostly built with apt-get since only that core with aptitude |
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| 08:04.38 | Silent_Chaos | what are reserved blocks? |
| 08:04.42 | DaveLib | if i start a new install someday is it better to use one over the other of apt-get or aptitude ie to use one consistently |
| 08:05.01 | tuv | i don't believe apt-get and aptitude have different database files. maybe aptitude's selections are not seen by apt-get, but other than that all apt-based tools use the same database |
| 08:05.08 | liable | Silent_Chaos: saved for root so your system still works when the disk is full |
| 08:05.20 | tuv | it's generally safe to use any one interchangeably, although not advisable |
| 08:05.29 | Silent_Chaos | it's a data space, its not running any system files |
| 08:05.46 | liable | tuv: it uses a file or two from dselect, i dunno which, but it definately uses something different to apt |
| 08:05.58 | DaveLib | tuv: ie not adviable: small chance of trouble ? |
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| 08:06.10 | xingu | Silent_Chaos: they're also how fsck comes to have space to put recovered inodes |
| 08:06.14 | DaveLib | so is one better than the other? |
| 08:06.16 | xingu | Silent_Chaos: fool with that at your own peril |
| 08:06.21 | tuv | DaveLib, right |
| 08:06.41 | Silent_Chaos | xingu, do I absolutely need 5%? |
| 08:06.43 | xingu | Silent_Chaos: finally, any ufs-like filesystem fragments like no tomorrow at about 95% full |
| 08:06.47 | Silent_Chaos | what is that used for? |
| 08:07.02 | tuv | DaveLib, aptitude is probably better. matter of taste |
| 08:07.19 | Silent_Chaos | : / best to just leave it be? |
| 08:07.25 | xingu | Silent_Chaos: disk is cheap, is it really worthwhile taking the hit on performance and taking the risk that fsck will fail to repair your filesystem? |
| 08:07.42 | Silent_Chaos | I'll leave it be. |
| 08:07.43 | Silent_Chaos | :) |
| 08:08.44 | Silent_Chaos | 150 GB is good enough |
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| 08:09.37 | SkareCrow | that reminds me ;P, have to get this 320gb backup drive set up |
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| 08:11.52 | Silent_Chaos | LVM is REALLY cool |
| 08:12.12 | Silent_Chaos | I like this much more than unionfs |
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| 08:14.40 | tuv | can grub boot off an LVM root partition yet? |
| 08:15.00 | DaveLib | i have installed gnome-media which includes gnome-cd also i have cdcd neither of them work to play audio cd's the windows on screen show it is playing and there is cd drive activity they will display track info # tracks and times but no sound from speaks on the other hand firefox gives me sound for videos from youtube so speakers ok |
| 08:15.16 | DaveLib | do i need to have installed some ripper package? |
| 08:15.52 | tuv | DaveLib, check your audio-cd cable |
| 08:16.07 | Silent_Chaos | tuv, that'd be interesting, but I think linux needs to boot to load the lvm before it could be accessed |
| 08:16.35 | liable | lilo can do it cant it? |
| 08:16.54 | tuv | yes lilo can. grub used not to, hence my question |
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| 08:17.38 | Fox_1_ | when i want to send email to an other domain postfix write "Relay access denied". in main.cf i have written relayhost = all |
| 08:17.45 | Fox_1_ | whats the problem |
| 08:19.08 | liable | did you restart it? |
| 08:19.20 | liable | *really* bad idea though |
| 08:19.29 | liable | the spammers will love your server |
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| 08:20.02 | liable | i get a few attempts at relaying a day from my box |
| 08:20.21 | Fox_1_ | and how can i send email to an other servers? |
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| 08:20.30 | liable | ya, email is actually very difficult to set up |
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| 08:20.49 | liable | !postfix howto |
| 08:20.49 | dpkg | [postfix howto] see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
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| 08:21.07 | liable | Fox_1_: read the first one, and good luck :) |
| 08:21.28 | Silent_Chaos | what is the best filesystem for data storage? |
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| 08:22.42 | tuv | Silent_Chaos, what other objectives are there for filesystems? |
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| 08:23.51 | tuv | Silent_Chaos, there is no definitive answer to such questions. these questions work well to spawn an endless discussion |
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| 08:24.10 | Fox_1_ | liable: i have read it |
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| 08:24.13 | Silent_Chaos | : / its for a fileserver. I'm wondering what filesystem would be most stable and carry most data |
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| 08:24.26 | Silent_Chaos | is ext3 suitable? |
| 08:24.28 | tuv | Silent_Chaos, to prove my point, i prefer ext3 |
| 08:24.51 | Silent_Chaos | k, I'll use ext3 |
| 08:24.56 | Fox_1_ | liable: and have done as in first doc say. |
| 08:25.43 | Silent_Chaos | how can I get the system to check the fs sooner than 180 days... that seems like a long time to leave data unchecked |
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| 08:26.28 | liable | touch /forcefsck reboot |
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| 08:26.43 | tuv | Silent_Chaos, man tune2fs if it's ext2/3 |
| 08:26.54 | Silent_Chaos | thanks |
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| 08:28.47 | Silent_Chaos | what do you recommend for a frequently used fileserver? 5 days? |
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| 08:33.27 | Fox_1_ | i want that my clients could send email to anywhere, yahoo, gmail ... |
| 08:33.32 | Fox_1_ | server postfix |
| 08:33.37 | Fox_1_ | and just my clients |
| 08:34.12 | basix | Silent_Chaos, shutdown -F |
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| 08:42.10 | smhar | hi all |
| 08:42.37 | smhar | I just finished upgrading my sarge system to etch and it is giving me a little etch already :-) |
| 08:42.45 | smhar | Now X doesn't start |
| 08:43.50 | roxy_ | smhar: what error does it gives ? |
| 08:44.18 | smhar | x is not configured, restart gdm when all are ok |
| 08:44.38 | smhar | roxxy_, X is not configured, restart gdm when all are ok |
| 08:45.18 | roxy_ | smhar: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 08:45.32 | anapivirtua_ | Pom Pom Pom² |
| 08:46.39 | smhar | roxy_, warning: setting locale failed |
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| 08:48.30 | liable | smhar: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:49.11 | smhar | roxy_, and aptitude showing 15 broken packages |
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| 08:50.20 | roxy_ | smhar: how did you upgrade from sarge to etch ? |
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| 08:51.05 | lunitik | !installer |
| 08:51.11 | smhar | roxy_, warning: setting locales failed. Please check that your locale settings: (locale settings) are supported and installed on your system |
| 08:51.15 | lunitik | !d-i |
| 08:51.15 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
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| 08:51.47 | lunitik | smhar: try the /deve/debian-installer site... you'll avoid the Xorg upgrade issues that way |
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| 08:52.17 | smhar | roxy_, it was working fine with sarge, it is en_BH:en_US:en_gb:en |
| 08:52.37 | roxy_ | smhar: sorry, no idea |
| 08:53.05 | smhar | lunitik: what site? |
| 08:53.12 | basix | i'm working with ffmpeg here and i am trying to reencode some mp3s. Its working fine. Just wanted to know whether there is any point in encoding a 128Kbps mp3 as a 192Kbps one? Will it sound better or the same? Am I just wasting space? |
| 08:53.23 | lunitik | smhar: ugh... look at what dpkg just "said" |
| 08:53.56 | lunitik | basix: yes, just wasting space :P |
| 08:54.32 | basix | thought so |
| 08:54.33 | basix | :P |
| 08:54.40 | lunitik | basix: encoding from a CD at 192kbps would be beneficial though :) |
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| 08:55.19 | blaamann | But what happens when you encode 'up', does it only fill the file with empty bits or what ? |
| 08:55.35 | liable | pretty much |
| 08:55.48 | liable | once its been encoded down, those bits are gone |
| 08:56.29 | liable | though it would be interesting to see what exactly it puts in |
| 08:56.36 | smhar | lunitik: oh, it is a CD image, currently my cd writer in pc that is not working, I would prefer a net solution, if possible |
| 08:57.20 | liable | smhar: you can get the installer kernel and initrd and boot from that |
| 08:57.34 | Silent_Chaos | isn't the X-Fi built to reconstruct sound lost from low bitrate encoding? |
| 08:57.44 | Silent_Chaos | its a pretty crazy sound card |
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| 09:03.35 | smhar | ok... so how to do with the issue at hand, locales is broken or not fully installed? uninstall and reinstall? |
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| 09:05.58 | dondelelcaro | smhar: just reinstall it. |
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| 09:14.43 | karlssen | strange behaviour of wlasssistant. when used by non-root user, its network listing has alternate white and black bars. the font is black. so those stations in black bars cannot be seen. anyone else experienced this? |
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| 09:16.12 | Ruudi | hello |
| 09:16.24 | karlssen | :) |
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| 09:16.54 | karlssen | when the yanks are asleep, everywhere is in peace, it seems. |
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| 09:17.09 | LeVA | :) |
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| 09:17.11 | Ruudi | i'm lookin for hints to set up mirrored webserver...two servers runing parallel one is backup and another is main server...but when main server fails the backup takes over....what would be the best software solution on this? |
| 09:17.52 | karlssen | Raid1? |
| 09:18.03 | sepski | lvs / heartbeat |
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| 09:19.21 | Ruudi | no raid! karissen just two separate machines in a datacenter with remote admin |
| 09:19.41 | sepski | Ruudi, lvs / heartbeat |
| 09:19.51 | Ruudi | aha lemme google on those :) |
| 09:19.53 | Ruudi | thanx' |
| 09:19.55 | sepski | Ruudi, lvs can also allow you to run both machines in parralell. |
| 09:20.00 | karlssen | k, lvs then. |
| 09:20.06 | Ruudi | freeware? |
| 09:20.22 | sepski | heartbeat will failover to the other if one fails. |
| 09:20.30 | sepski | the latter is realy what you asked for |
| 09:20.37 | Ruudi | and ow about debian sarge for a lamp server at all? |
| 09:20.49 | Ruudi | good choice ? |
| 09:21.07 | karlssen | what's a lamp server? |
| 09:21.16 | streuner | !lamp |
| 09:21.17 | dpkg | it has been said that lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 09:21.32 | sepski | Ruudi, heartbeat is in debian already |
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| 09:22.03 | Ruudi | but running servers parallel with lvs, it gives me some speed enchantments as well? |
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| 09:23.24 | Ruudi | aha ok readin the about page allready :) |
| 09:23.24 | sepski | Ruudi, yes ofcourse you can have a cluster of webservers, |
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| 09:23.55 | sepski | but it does add complexity, since you need a lvs loadbalancer in front of all your webservers (usualy 2 that failover with heartbeat) |
| 09:24.11 | sepski | and you must somehow deal with sessions and storage |
| 09:24.25 | Ruudi | i c sounds like some work for sysadmin :) |
| 09:24.27 | sepski | most just use perstitant connections. |
| 09:25.40 | sepski | Ruudi, iow for 2 webservers failing over with heartbeat you jus t need 2 boxes. if you want lvs you need 2 webservers + 1 lvs server, but then lvs is a SPOF and youll need 2 webservers in your lvs clueter and 2 lvs loadbalancers that failover with heartbat to have your redundancy. |
| 09:25.53 | sepski | iow lvs adds much complexity that you might not need. |
| 09:26.18 | Ruudi | yes don't want to get things too complicated indeed... |
| 09:26.29 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:26.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:26.51 | xingu | if the two webservers are colocated and you don't need live/live you could just run vrrpd and delegate your A record to the floating address |
| 09:26.51 | Ruudi | heartbeat is just a failover system that keeps my sorvers in sync as well? |
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| 09:27.54 | xingu | if you do need live/live you could build two vrrp groups and delegate each as master for one and delegate round-robin dns |
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| 09:28.47 | Ruudi | ok i'll check for all those options thanx for sharing |
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| 09:31.12 | LeVA | anyone know how to solve this: I'm trying to install 'xfce4-utils', and it depends on gamin, and gamin conflicts with fam (I have kde installed). Now if I try to install xfce4-utils, a whole lot of kde packages are going to be removed. I want to keep kde, and install xfce4 besides it. |
| 09:31.12 | RobHu | If I want the environment variable foo to be set to "bar" for a user that uses sh what file do I put it in, and is it foo="bar" that I put in? |
| 09:31.58 | xingu | RobHu: generally ~/.profile, portable syntax is FOO="bar" export FOO |
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| 09:33.08 | RobHu | xingu: thankyou |
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| 09:34.54 | Eludias | What is the Debian way to configure alsa? |
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| 09:36.48 | streuner | alsaconf |
| 09:37.18 | Eludias | streuner: thx. |
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| 09:38.24 | Eludias | streuner: How do I enable 2 soundcards with alsaconf? |
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| 09:38.37 | Guerin | yay |
| 09:38.47 | Guerin | my transfer of / seems to have worked out |
| 09:38.57 | Guerin | the deathstar appears to be dying |
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| 09:39.31 | B-rat | a standard debian install has mysql dev resources, perl and python all installed right ? |
| 09:39.37 | streuner | Eludias: why would someone use 2 soundcards? |
| 09:40.06 | Eludias | streuner: MythTV. My bt848 has a 'soundcard' needed for recording. And it has a sb16 for playing. |
| 09:40.17 | Guerin | B-rat: no, why on earth would it? |
| 09:40.43 | Guerin | B-rat: it has perl because debian tools require it, but it'll only have python and mysql if you install them or something which needs them |
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| 09:41.40 | B-rat | oh.. i dont suppose you know of an out-of-the-box install that has all that ? |
| 09:42.24 | pelzi_ | just install it yourself |
| 09:42.28 | Guerin | B-rat: kitchen-sinkix? |
| 09:42.36 | Guerin | it's 10 seconds work to install it |
| 09:42.36 | pelzi_ | if that doesn't suit you, don'y use debian |
| 09:42.40 | B-rat | i'm serious |
| 09:42.58 | Guerin | B-rat: so are we; 99% of users have no need for mysql*-dev |
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| 09:43.06 | Guerin | B-rat: that's why they're not included |
| 09:43.22 | Guerin | B-rat: but, happily, they take less time to install than you have spent asking about them |
| 09:43.24 | B-rat | no debian fork that would have it by default ? |
| 09:43.33 | Guerin | B-rat: no idea. |
| 09:43.43 | pelzi_ | we do not care about forks here |
| 09:43.52 | B-rat | right, is it 'easy' for a newbie to install the things i need |
| 09:44.05 | Guerin | B-rat: trivial |
| 09:44.12 | pelzi_ | the whole point of debian is not to have unneeded stuff by default, and make installing whatever the user needs easy |
| 09:44.16 | Guerin | B-rat: aptitude install package0 package1 package2 |
| 09:44.33 | B-rat | kk |
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| 09:46.57 | streuner | Eludias: by modprobe the soundmodule? |
| 09:47.13 | Eludias | streuner: Nope, won't work. sb16 is an ISA card, and needs parameters. |
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| 09:47.28 | pelzi_ | then pass them |
| 09:47.59 | Eludias | I don't know the parameters, but alsaconf seems to be able to configure the sb16. I'm now disecting what it did, and trying to keep both configs. |
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| 09:48.34 | Guerin | Eludias: you can tell alsaconf to only look for legacy cards |
| 09:48.34 | streuner | Eludias: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-howto/x1467.htm |
| 09:48.54 | Guerin | Eludias: and use alsaconf for that, then load the other sound card manually |
| 09:49.31 | B-rat | the minimal bootable install will take up how much space ? |
| 09:49.36 | Eludias | I needed the configs, and alsaconf provided them in /etc/modprobe.d/sound it seems. Now I just need to merge them both... |
| 09:50.11 | pelzi_ | 100-150 megs |
| 09:50.48 | xingu | Eludias: if I were you I'd build one file per kernel driver in modprobe.d |
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| 09:51.06 | B-rat | and it already has perl, with python and mysql developer resources, how large will it be ? approximately |
| 09:51.11 | Eludias | xingu: Ok, and then run update-modules? Or do I need more? |
| 09:51.24 | xingu | Eludias: ie, /etc/modprobe.d/sb: options sb io=... whatever |
| 09:51.24 | Guerin | B-rat: 300MB or thereabouts |
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| 09:51.29 | B-rat | kk |
| 09:51.32 | pelzi_ | probably less than 500mb. |
| 09:51.37 | Guerin | B-rat: you could cut it down below that; and that doesn't include X |
| 09:51.46 | Guerin | or anything else, for that matter |
| 09:51.48 | xingu | Eludias: nope that's it in a nutshell; then you can either let alsa load the cards or force-load them in /etc/modules |
| 09:51.57 | B-rat | i only need the command line anyway |
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| 09:54.40 | n0cturnal_ | how long should I expect for a 2.4 p4 to install a kernel via apt-get? |
| 09:54.57 | pelzi_ | a few moments / minutes |
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| 09:55.07 | dieb | Hello all. Is there any doc to install on a C3600 (no keyboard, no diskette nor CD-ROM), so using serial console _and_ boot on lan (pxe infrastructure already setup) |
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| 09:55.50 | B-rat | approximately how much ram will my box need for this ? |
| 09:56.06 | pelzi_ | just depends on what you want to do |
| 09:56.18 | pelzi_ | I run X happily with 256m |
| 09:56.30 | B-rat | well i dont need X anyway |
| 09:56.40 | B-rat | so, is 64m enough ? |
| 09:56.41 | pelzi_ | other people need 2G, some are happy with 32m |
| 09:56.52 | pelzi_ | one really can't tell. |
| 09:57.04 | streuner | B-rat: sure |
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| 09:58.51 | Danamania | B-rat: I ran a 68k webserver on 36MB for a while with woody - and a later one with sarge on 32 then 64MB. that was plenty for screwing about with, though when traffic got high apache wanted more. |
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| 09:59.27 | pelzi_ | and if you used something lighter than apache it would have scaled a lot farther |
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| 10:00.01 | xingu | I've got an amiga 3000/ 8MB that still boots woody. :) |
| 10:00.32 | n0cturnal_ | hrmm... i'm installing kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686-smp on my box.. it's been sitting there for 15 mins + |
| 10:00.45 | Danamania | aye. I had a geeklog running too, which stretched it quite a bit, but still worked. |
| 10:01.46 | n0cturnal_ | do I sit and wait, or kill it? it's the second time i've tried installing it |
| 10:01.59 | B-rat | right, downloading net install ;) |
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| 10:03.20 | abchirk | !ops Bat[She]ba |
| 10:03.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: Bat[She]ba |
| 10:03.22 | abchirk | morning all :) |
| 10:04.13 | blondie | what did you do that for? |
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| 10:04.34 | RichiH | abauer: ta |
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| 10:05.16 | blondie | wtf. |
| 10:05.23 | iLLf8d | boi |
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| 10:05.26 | liable | blondie: onjoin bot i would say |
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| 10:05.49 | blondie | oh |
| 10:06.42 | B-rat | ? |
| 10:07.41 | RichiH | abchirk: thanks, btw |
| 10:08.26 | abchirk | RichiH welcome...every time i join #debian i get a query with debian... :) |
| 10:08.39 | abchirk | ehm no with spammessage |
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| 10:11.48 | RichiH | abchirk: :) |
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| 10:15.05 | war95 | I have an EXTREMELY weird problem with Debian Etch [NFS] when I tail -f /remote/box/mail.log (200MB+) it BUFFERS/READS the entire file over the network until it begins tailing the file, I see 200MB+ transfer over the wire, why is this? I have an another Debian Etch box with the same sized log file and it only transmits 3-4 kilobytes, the last 5-6 lines, like it is supposed to, anyone know what is going on here? |
| 10:15.47 | Guerin | war95: different mount options? |
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| 10:16.07 | Guerin | war95: erm, or nfs options |
| 10:16.45 | war95 | same nfs options afaik, will double check |
| 10:16.57 | war95 | yup, same exact options |
| 10:17.08 | Guerin | in mount and in exports? |
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| 10:17.49 | war95 | Guerin: yes sir, and it happens with tail -and- colortail |
| 10:18.27 | Guerin | war95: funky. different versions of nfs? |
| 10:18.34 | war95 | yes same mount options too both 1.0.10-1 |
| 10:18.38 | war95 | same kernel too |
| 10:18.51 | Guerin | something has to give |
| 10:18.52 | Eludias | war95: tail of same file? |
| 10:19.09 | war95 | Eludias: they are different machines but it happens with any file on the affected box |
| 10:19.33 | Eludias | war95: same if using dd offset=100M ... ? |
| 10:19.53 | war95 | hmm ? I have not tried that |
| 10:20.48 | war95 | this is a rather irritating problem heh |
| 10:20.52 | n0cturnal_ | I have a kernel upgrade that's been going for about 30 mins now... how can I tell if it's still doing something? and how can i give it a kick up the...? |
| 10:20.53 | war95 | because it causes colortail to mess up big time |
| 10:20.59 | war95 | n0cturnal_: ps auxww | grep gcc |
| 10:21.02 | war95 | n0cturnal_: ps auxww | grep make |
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| 10:21.27 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.30 | n0cturnal_ | I'm installing from a package... |
| 10:21.31 | Guerin | not a debian one, anyhow |
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| 10:21.47 | Guerin | n0cturnal_: |grep apt |
| 10:22.09 | n0cturnal_ | root 21112 0.0 0.0 11412 296 pts/12 S+ 17:49 0:00 apt-get upgrade |
| 10:22.14 | n0cturnal_ | it's there.. but not doing anything :( |
| 10:22.33 | Guerin | n0cturnal_: kill it and try running it again |
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| 10:22.46 | n0cturnal_ | it's the 2nd time i've done that... :( |
| 10:23.02 | Guerin | n0cturnal_: or remove the kernel metapackage which is probably kernel-image-2.x or linux-image-2.x |
| 10:23.05 | war95 | wiill reboot my box |
| 10:23.49 | Eludias | n0cturnal_: run it under strace: strace -f apt-get install ... |
| 10:24.45 | n0cturnal_ | hrmm |
| 10:24.54 | n0cturnal_ | "Unable to lock the list directory" <-- whassat mean? |
| 10:25.50 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:25.51 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
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| 10:27.01 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.13 | B-rat | er, which kernel should i choose ( 2.6.8-3-386 or 2.4.27-3-386 ) |
| 10:27.39 | tarzeau | http://times.debian.net/ broke? |
| 10:28.11 | war95 | thanks for th esuggestions though |
| 10:28.24 | netman1 | Hi All. How do I make a debian kernel package out of a pristine kernel.org tree? make-kpkg does make a vmlinuz binary but fails to create a .deb :-( |
| 10:28.57 | liable | netman1: what options are you using? |
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| 10:29.25 | azeem | and how does it fail? |
| 10:29.46 | netman1 | liable: make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd --append-to-version -bunk29 --revision 1 |
| 10:30.34 | B-rat | do i need grub ? |
| 10:30.40 | liable | netman1: ok, so as azeem said, where is it failing? |
| 10:30.42 | blondie | B-rat: dunno, are you hungry? |
| 10:31.03 | B-rat | heh |
| 10:31.04 | liable | B-rat: you need some sort of bootloader, yes |
| 10:31.31 | netman1 | liable/azeem: only thing suspisious I see in the last lines is : "make[1]: Nothing to be done for `debian/linux-xen0-2.6.16.29-bunk29'." since there is no debian directory. |
| 10:31.35 | B-rat | kk |
| 10:32.10 | B-rat | ok, says that its installed |
| 10:32.11 | liable | netman1: hrm, xen eh? |
| 10:32.12 | B-rat | remove the cd now ? |
| 10:32.46 | azeem | B-rat: it tells you when you should remove the CD |
| 10:32.55 | azeem | or rather, it ejects it itself |
| 10:33.03 | liable | netman1: i know nothing of xen, but paste a good chunk of the last bit of the output |
| 10:33.14 | azeem | !paste |
| 10:33.15 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 10:34.09 | B-rat | i think something went wrong |
| 10:35.01 | B-rat | segmentation violation |
| 10:35.07 | B-rat | eh ? |
| 10:35.45 | liable | doesnt sound too promising |
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| 10:36.29 | netman1 | liable: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4161 |
| 10:36.37 | B-rat | respawning too fast, disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 10:37.39 | B-rat | any clues as to what's happening ? |
| 10:37.45 | liable | netman1: no clue sorry |
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| 10:38.39 | netman1 | liable: Ok, no problem. Thanks anyway. |
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| 10:43.16 | petemc | netman1: the 2.6.18 xen kernel in unstable works well for me |
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| 10:44.06 | xingu | netman1: make-kpkg --arch=xen |
| 10:44.29 | war95 | Someone in this channel or on the other network found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=363371 <- But when I search bugs.debian.org-- I cannot come up with this page (not on google either) - is there some special way to search for stuff fon bugs.debian.org? |
| 10:45.16 | netman1 | petemc: Hmm, then you got more luck than I had: I only could get the 2.6.16 to work and am now trying to create my own kernels with the original xen-3.0.3 source since the kernel maintainers seem to have gone for 2.6.18 (xen is created for 2.6.16.29). |
| 10:45.44 | netman1 | xingu: that's a good one, didn't know that. Thanks for the tip. |
| 10:46.39 | war95 | bugs.debian.org is no google ;( |
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| 10:46.51 | petemc | netman1: who told you xen was created for 2.6.16.29 ? |
| 10:51.09 | netman1 | petemc: xensource web site. Specifically: the patches for the linux kernel are created for .29. |
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| 11:03.36 | netman1 | petemc: http://www.xensource.com/xen/downloads/docs/README-xen303-tarballs.txt |
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| 11:10.35 | ThomasPorter | I've done the following: Added the zone tpconnex.net to zoneedit.com then made it a slave, then i've added ns1 - 5.tpconnex.net to namecheap.com.. then I configured my domain www.fileblast.net to the name servers ns 1-5 .tpconnex.net... is this correct? How would I configure my master DNS (my server) |
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| 11:10.39 | netman1 | What was that? An earthquake? |
| 11:10.40 | ThomasPorter | Seemed so.. it happened on every channel |
| 11:10.40 | petemc | netman1: i dont need to read that - i told you what ive been using |
| 11:10.41 | liable | zelany is going bananas :) |
| 11:10.41 | ThomasPorter | There must be a problem with brown.freenode.net |
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| 11:10.44 | amphi | splat on oftc too |
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| 11:10.45 | xingu | netman1: beans and jalapeno chili for dinner I'm afraid, gives me chronic gas |
| 11:10.45 | dererk | amphi, I was saying that on OFTC too, lol |
| 11:10.45 | amphi | dererk: heh |
| 11:10.45 | liable | love the chilli |
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| 11:10.46 | dererk | xingu, dude.... beans and jalapeño.... |
| 11:10.46 | netman1 | xingu: would you mind doing that in another room? ;-) |
| 11:10.46 | dererk | you have to have a hard stomach... |
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| 11:10.52 | netman1 | liable: Ok, got it: fsck-ed up .config. |
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| 11:10.53 | liable | netman1: what in config caused that? |
| 11:10.58 | ribnitz | hello there. |
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| 11:11.00 | ribnitz | I ham having trouble with certain fonts in certain apps (eg. firefox) not displayinh at all, when unselected |
| 11:11.01 | netman1 | liable: Precisely: wrong config, I used /boot/conf* instead of starting with the defconfig. |
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| 11:11.02 | liable | netman1: oh, its a xen specific thing? |
| 11:11.03 | Faithful | is there anything like CD Paranoia for ripping dvds? |
| 11:11.06 | SoulX | try k3b for doing it |
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| 11:11.07 | netman1 | liable: I was so stupid as to use the debian xen kernel config and expect it to work with a pristine kernel.org config. |
| 11:11.07 | liable | netman1: ah, k |
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| 11:11.08 | SoulX | oh...for ripping |
| 11:11.08 | SoulX | bzzz ) |
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| 11:11.09 | B-rat | if i only have direct access to the web, will ftp and http still work ? |
| 11:11.09 | B-rat | err |
| 11:11.10 | B-rat | indirect |
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| 11:11.10 | B-rat | the installer choice thingy |
| 11:11.10 | liable | nttp |
| 11:11.11 | liable | http.. |
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| 11:11.31 | B-rat | or is it best to just download and burn the stuff i need ? |
| 11:11.54 | Raging_Hog | I've got 3.1r0a CD. Should I get the newest point release or is it the same as installing r0a and upgrading it? Will it be as stable as Sarge can be? |
| 11:12.11 | liable | Raging_Hog: just upgrade |
| 11:12.33 | Raging_Hog | Thanks liable. Saves me an euro |
| 11:12.38 | Raging_Hog | for the cd |
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| 11:12.53 | liable | a euro for one cd? |
| 11:12.57 | liable | ouch |
| 11:13.12 | Raging_Hog | well about 70-80 cent actually |
| 11:13.25 | B-rat | one cd is esaily 0.5 euro ;) |
| 11:13.29 | B-rat | easily* |
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| 11:13.43 | B-rat | or less |
| 11:13.50 | Raging_Hog | I don't use them much, otherwise I'd of course order lotsa them cheaper |
| 11:14.24 | mina_linux_Tux | i'm using debian sarge , can i update the packages to Etch or i have to install etch on my computer , i have 6 GB H.D and 128 MB of ram... ? |
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| 11:16.19 | liable | mina_linux_Tux: yes, just edit your sources.list and dist-upgrade (it may not go smoothly) |
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| 11:16.50 | weissi | what's up with the linux, 686, smp kernels(version 2.6.18) in sid?? |
| 11:16.59 | Vilmar | hi |
| 11:18.00 | tarzeau | weissi: what should be with it? |
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| 11:18.07 | tarzeau | weissi: no more smp kernels need be built because of: |
| 11:18.20 | tarzeau | weissi: http://lwn.net/Articles/164121/ |
| 11:19.04 | mina_linux_Tux | liable: any more details ? |
| 11:19.09 | weissi | tarzeau, cool, thank you! |
| 11:20.04 | B-rat | if i choose http for my package management, can i later switch to cd ? |
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| 11:20.45 | garo | Is there a latex package that contains the debian logo ? |
| 11:21.21 | liable | tarzeau: hrm, never heard of that before, and was wondering why the lack of smp |
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| 11:22.12 | tarzeau | garo: gee, there's postscript versions of it? |
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| 11:22.35 | tarzeau | garo: there's also no font that can write the logo as it is in debian |
| 11:22.46 | tarzeau | garo: well, not distributed by debian, and not free |
| 11:23.34 | tarzeau | http://www.us.debian.org/logos/ |
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| 11:23.57 | mina_linux_Tux | liable: ? |
| 11:24.14 | pzn | what is a -vserver and a -xen kernel images? |
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| 11:25.07 | liable | mina_linux_Tux: no, thats all i can say. i dont think there are any release notes for etch yet |
| 11:25.53 | netman1 | pzn: a -xen image is a hypervisor kernel for -vserver kernels which run as a virtual machine under a xen hyprvisor. |
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| 11:26.56 | pzn | netman1, thanks! |
| 11:28.10 | pzn | what about differences between linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 and linux-image-2.6.16-2-686... what does -1- differs from -2-? |
| 11:28.11 | B-rat | i can have debian use a windows machine as a proxy right ? |
| 11:28.21 | tarzeau | B-rat: sure |
| 11:28.27 | garo | tarzeau: thanks |
| 11:28.34 | B-rat | is it easy to set up =) |
| 11:28.53 | tarzeau | B-rat: sure |
| 11:29.05 | B-rat | kk, i'll choose http then |
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| 11:34.06 | B-rat | hmm.. i think i'll go with cd ;) |
| 11:34.23 | B-rat | so, which one should i download to install python and mysql stuff |
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| 11:35.26 | aubergine | How can i just start a shell with the debian installation cd? |
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| 11:36.09 | liable | aubergine: its the last option in the menu once the kernel boots |
| 11:36.19 | liable | or second last |
| 11:36.36 | dondelelcaro | aubergine: or just ctrl-alt-f2 |
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| 11:37.40 | pzn | which is the easy way to build again linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 from debian sources? |
| 11:38.12 | pzn | apt-get source xxxxxx && cd xxxxxx && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ? |
| 11:38.43 | liable | no, you need to get kernel-source package |
| 11:39.01 | liable | then easiest is to use knpg |
| 11:39.05 | liable | kpkg.. |
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| 11:40.02 | pzn | liable, ok; I'll try make-kpkg. how can I know the kernel generated will have the same config as the debian linux-image-2.6.16-2-686.deb? |
| 11:40.21 | liable | pzn: copy the one over from /boot/ |
| 11:40.27 | dondelelcaro | pzn: you'll know that if you copy the config from the linux-iamge package... |
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| 11:40.36 | dondelelcaro | pzn: but why exactly are you rebuilding it? |
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| 11:42.09 | pzn | dondelelcaro, I have one machine running a 2.6.16-2-k7 debian kernel (with default config) + openswan natt patch. I need an 2.6.16-2-686 with the same patch. I have no sources, will have to download them again. want to know the easy/safe way to have the kernel. |
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| 11:43.21 | pzn | dondelelcaro, I have no physical access to the machine, so I'll reboot and pray :-) I needed to be sure that the kernel has the same debian config |
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| 11:43.38 | Anarka | pzn have you tried the openswan packages in debian ? |
| 11:44.08 | pzn | Anarka, I'm using the openswan debian package. it needs a patched kernel. |
| 11:44.37 | Anarka | yes... and i have read /usr/share/doc/openswan-modules-source/README.Debian |
| 11:44.38 | Anarka | ? |
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| 11:45.53 | Anarka | *you :) |
| 11:46.03 | pzn | Anarka, reading now... |
| 11:46.10 | Anarka | :) |
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| 11:47.28 | pzn | Anarka, I'll have to patch the kernel with "kernel-patch-openswan". |
| 11:47.45 | Anarka | you should have full instructions on therew |
| 11:47.46 | muh2000 | !paster |
| 11:47.46 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 11:51.53 | pzn | Anarka, easier with package kernel-patch-openswan! |
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| 11:56.44 | Anarka | pzn just for curiosity then tell if it worked :) |
| 11:56.45 | Angel-SL | !pastebin |
| 11:56.45 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 11:57.14 | pzn | Anarka, ok, I'll do it in the next 2 hours, then I tell you! |
| 11:57.22 | Anarka | :) |
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| 11:58.05 | Anarka | pzn but for future reference you alredy know you should check if /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE/README.Debian exists |
| 11:58.07 | muh2000 | how to compile something with an older compiler while the newer responses under the comand gcc ? |
| 11:58.24 | Angel-SL | muh2000: wrong channel. |
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| 11:58.54 | liable | muh2000: CC=gcc-<version> make foo ?? |
| 11:58.59 | Nameeater | CC=gcc-x.xx |
| 11:59.02 | pzn | Anarka, yes! nice hint. (i was getting the patch from openswan site) but now I'm getting from package kernel-patch-openswan. |
| 11:59.04 | Nameeater | exort CC |
| 11:59.07 | Nameeater | export too :) |
| 11:59.58 | muh2000 | thnx |
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| 12:01.49 | trz | Hello. |
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| 12:02.10 | trz | After misusing fsck, everything was moved to lost+found. Is there any way to recover it? |
| 12:02.58 | liable | yikes, how did you manage that? |
| 12:03.34 | trz | That's a long story. At first point I ran fsck with no params, and said "yes" for a couple of times. |
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| 12:03.58 | pzn | trz, maybe. do the files have the same names in lost+found? just move them to the original place... |
| 12:04.21 | pzn | trz, but surelly a backup would work better and easier. |
| 12:04.21 | trz | Then my system wouldn't boot normally. Finally I ran fsck, said yes to like a million of changes, and ended up with everything in lost+found dir. |
| 12:04.24 | liable | erm, i dont think its quite that simple |
| 12:04.38 | trz | pzn: Won't work. They're all named like #\d+ |
| 12:04.43 | Angel-SL | trz: renstall. |
| 12:05.03 | trz | I can reinstall, but I want my data back. |
| 12:05.03 | Anarka | everything in lost+found ? |
| 12:05.04 | Angel-SL | !i messed my files with fsck |
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| 12:06.28 | pzn | trz, reinstall in another hard disk, mount the first HD and then try finding your files in the #nnnn files... |
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| 12:06.54 | pzn | trz, and rename them to the original names... it is a lot of work |
| 12:07.04 | trz | So there's no way to do this automatically? |
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| 12:17.42 | miguelanxo | Hi there |
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| 12:18.08 | miguelanxo | is there a way to mount a partition from an hdd-image-file (hda.img in my case)? |
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| 12:19.37 | Angel-SL | !fsck |
| 12:19.37 | dpkg | i guess fsck is a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck |
| 12:19.55 | miguelanxo | ¿? |
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| 12:20.07 | miguelanxo | wtf, fsck doesn't have anything with this |
| 12:20.14 | tralala | is there a way to make netstat -t display the full hostname without cutting it? |
| 12:20.45 | miguelanxo | try changing your terminal COLS setting |
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| 12:21.13 | tralala | miguelanxo: yes, but you have to calculate the offset of the partition. There was a post on debian planet how to do this recently. |
| 12:21.32 | miguelanxo | oh, I know the hard way |
| 12:21.48 | miguelanxo | i was wondering if there would be a tool to help |
| 12:21.53 | miguelanxo | thanks anyway |
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| 12:22.11 | Charminthemoose | Is it possible to make a 2gb partition and set that to be your /usr directory?and also with other directories AFTER you've installed debian on a single partition? |
| 12:22.13 | Angel-SL | !partition offset |
| 12:22.20 | tralala | miguelanxo: not that I'm aware of. The post of offering a script to automate it |
| 12:22.46 | pngwn | Angel-SL, please /msg the bot |
| 12:23.11 | tralala | Charminthemoose: yes, create the new partition, copy the content of usr, change the fstab |
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| 12:23.41 | Charminthemoose | cool |
| 12:24.08 | tralala | I recommend using tar for the copying in order to preserve all the file attributes |
| 12:24.44 | Charminthemoose | how would i do that?boot a livecd and then tar -cf * in /usr? |
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| 12:25.21 | Shadowcat | ... |
| 12:25.26 | Shadowcat | what's wrong with cp -a |
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| 12:25.39 | tralala | you don't need to boot a live-cd for the copying. tar cC /usr . | tar xC /mnt/temporary_mount_point |
| 12:25.52 | Shadowcat | again |
| 12:25.55 | Shadowcat | what's wrong with cp -a |
| 12:25.59 | kakarot | one question about compiling linux kernel debian way, when i do dpkg-kpkg kernel-image, i get a package deb, then i install de package and a vmlinuz-ver is writed in /boot; then, if i change someting in the config of kernel and do dpkg-kpkg again, and install the new .deb, the new vmlinuz-ver is writed instead of the previous. i want to get something like vmlinuz-version-revision, how can i get that? |
| 12:26.08 | dvs | Charminthemoose: mount the new partition in /mnt, copy everything from /usr to /mnt, add a new entry in /etc/fstab that makes /usr your new partition |
| 12:26.19 | Shadowcat | kakarot: man make-kpkg |
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| 12:26.36 | pzn | Charminthemoose, mkdir /mnt/newusr; mount /dev/xxxx /mnt/newusr; init 1; cp -a /usr /mnt/newusr; mv /usr /usr-old; mkdir usr; vi /etc/fstab; mount /usr; check... |
| 12:26.59 | kakarot | Shadowcat pig |
| 12:27.31 | Shadowcat | no seriously, read the man page |
| 12:27.46 | kakarot | ok |
| 12:27.52 | Shadowcat | you'll find around 20 other useful options in there too |
| 12:28.10 | Shadowcat | if you don't want to read the man page to the compile tool, I'd start to question your fitness to compile the thing in the first place |
| 12:28.35 | tralala | the debian way is not to compile kernels of your own |
| 12:28.45 | liable | meh |
| 12:28.51 | Shadowcat | tralala: what are you talking about? |
| 12:28.57 | Shadowcat | you can compile whatever you want |
| 12:29.12 | tralala | sure, but that's not the debian way |
| 12:29.19 | Shadowcat | !beat tralala |
| 12:29.22 | tralala | it's the bsd ports way |
| 12:29.33 | tralala | !cluebat Shadowcat |
| 12:29.35 | Shadowcat | there's no rule anywhere that says you can't compile your own kernel |
| 12:29.42 | cahoot | sure makes you wonder how kpkg made it into the distro |
| 12:29.54 | Shadowcat | in fact some of us HAVE to do it to get the system working in the first place |
| 12:30.07 | Shadowcat | cahoot: it's something abrotman requested ;) |
| 12:30.17 | tralala | is there any rule that says you can't compile OpenOffice, Firefox and so on? |
| 12:30.30 | enouf | liable: well .. there's still atleast one factoid (dpkg) that contains the non-PeeCee word .. !fsck - hehe |
| 12:30.39 | liable | what, dont you like to wait 6 months untill stuff makes it into the debian kernel? |
| 12:30.43 | liable | enouf: heh |
| 12:30.54 | Shadowcat | tralala: you can compile the entire system by apt-buildpackage if you so please |
| 12:30.58 | Shadowcat | just don't ask in here on how to do it |
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| 12:31.09 | liable | now, *that* is stupid |
| 12:31.23 | dvs | Shadowcat: no, that's called "gentoo" ;-) |
| 12:31.25 | Shadowcat | liable: in most cases yes |
| 12:31.27 | tralala | Shadowcat: and that's what the debian users are expected to do in order to use debian, aka the debian way? |
| 12:31.58 | Shadowcat | I've had to compile every kernel I use because I need software suspend 2 |
| 12:32.04 | Shadowcat | now are you going to tell me that's not the debian way? |
| 12:32.21 | pzn | Charminthemoose, it should be easy, you should have no problems. |
| 12:32.31 | tralala | yes |
| 12:32.44 | tralala | apt-get install stuff is the debian way |
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| 12:33.15 | cahoot | is there really a *debian* way - isn't it more a matter of what is considered kosher in #debian? |
| 12:33.16 | Anarka | but even for compiling a kernel there's a debian way |
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| 12:33.25 | Shadowcat | tralala: I think you need to read the debian policy and the debian reference again |
| 12:33.31 | liable | cahoot: bingo |
| 12:33.36 | Shadowcat | because there's no company line we have to tow |
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| 12:33.58 | Shadowcat | cahoot: it's more of a "do whatever you like, just don't ask about certain things" |
| 12:34.04 | Shadowcat | like, if you have to ask about what make xconfig does |
| 12:34.07 | Shadowcat | don't compile the kernel |
| 12:34.08 | tralala | Shadowcat: don't try to make rules out of exceptional cases |
| 12:34.21 | Shadowcat | tralala: there's no rule to begin with |
| 12:34.31 | Shadowcat | you can do whatever you like, just don't ask about certain things |
| 12:34.35 | Shadowcat | jeez |
| 12:34.49 | Shadowcat | your attitude makes the Windows Server 2003 manual seem lenient |
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| 12:34.55 | Shadowcat | and that's one of the most draconian books I've ever read |
| 12:35.18 | tralala | s/rule/common practice |
| 12:35.30 | Shadowcat | there's a way we tell users to do things because otherwise we'd spend 48 hours everyday helping them |
| 12:35.34 | Shadowcat | but it isn't a rule |
| 12:35.36 | Anarka | apt and stuff is there to help you not to control you, if you want to compile everything go for it |
| 12:35.45 | apt | okay, Anarka |
| 12:35.46 | liable | i dont think its so much of a matter of dont ask, but a lot of the time its a matter of its a waste of time, because most denianites wont know |
| 12:35.46 | Shadowcat | if you're skilled enough you can do what you like |
| 12:36.04 | liable | apt: forget and stuff |
| 12:36.04 | apt | liable: i forgot and stuff |
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| 12:36.16 | Shadowcat | the notion that you don't compile stuff in debian is just false |
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| 12:36.18 | Anarka | eheh |
| 12:36.21 | morsing | Hi |
| 12:37.06 | Anarka | it would be great if we didnt needed to compile anything but... the world aint perfect |
| 12:37.07 | tralala | The point is that debian has a lot of stuff already in and this is one of the big pros of the distro - you don't need be bothered with anything but apt-get install 9x% of the time |
| 12:37.39 | Shadowcat | the point of apt is to make it simple yes |
| 12:37.48 | Shadowcat | but doesn't mean you're not supposed to compile stuff if you need to |
| 12:37.52 | Shadowcat | or, are just curious |
| 12:38.16 | tralala | I said compiling is not the debian way, not that it's impossible or forbidden |
| 12:38.18 | amphi | Shadowcat: well, of course not |
| 12:38.25 | Shadowcat | tralala: IT IS the debian way |
| 12:38.28 | Shadowcat | why don't you get that |
| 12:38.40 | Shadowcat | we compile when we need to, end of story |
| 12:38.53 | Shadowcat | and "The Debian Way" isn't a darn bible |
| 12:38.56 | amphi | Shadowcat: you'd be surprised how many people start compiling stuff before even looking to see whether what they want is packaged |
| 12:39.10 | liable | thats true |
| 12:39.16 | amphi | Shadowcat: libgtk-1.2 was a recent one |
| 12:39.16 | Shadowcat | amphi: probably not |
| 12:39.33 | Shadowcat | but to give people a "Debian Bible" to read seems a bit draconian |
| 12:39.42 | Shadowcat | which is what tralala is trying to do |
| 12:39.51 | tralala | we compile and need to compile in a few exceptional cases. Debian surely helps then but that ain't the way! |
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| 12:39.57 | Shadowcat | see what I mean |
| 12:39.59 | Shadowcat | he's preaching |
| 12:40.12 | asg | well, it is Sunday |
| 12:40.18 | amphi | heh |
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| 12:40.21 | Shadowcat | true |
| 12:40.44 | liable | sunday hasnt been really stupid for ages here |
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| 12:40.55 | Shadowcat | damnit liable |
| 12:40.59 | tralala | I'm taking a pragmatic approach not a philosofical one, if that's what you call preaching then I am preaching. |
| 12:40.59 | Shadowcat | now you jixed it |
| 12:41.12 | liable | Shadowcat: its almost over for me :P |
| 12:41.29 | Shadowcat | the pragmatic approach is to do whatever you want and not try to force your view on anybody else |
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| 12:41.42 | Shadowcat | if you're used to compiling the entire system from scratch then by all means go and do it |
| 12:42.03 | Shadowcat | if you're used to apt-get then use that |
| 12:42.15 | Shadowcat | or urpmi, yum, or whatever you use |
| 12:42.38 | liable | ok point made, stfu! :P |
| 12:42.54 | Shadowcat | !whack liable |
| 12:43.18 | phogg | I can't install the stock debian package for xchat 1.8.9 (from woody) 'cause it creates X dependancy problems. I can do a 'forward port' of it via apt-get -b source, but the recompiled binary has window tinting disabled. Any idea why or how I can re-enable it? |
| 12:43.32 | Shadowcat | woody=! |
| 12:43.39 | Shadowcat | that's OLD |
| 12:43.59 | Charminthemoose | imo,if it isn't in the repositories,COMPILE IT! |
| 12:44.00 | liable | fingers crossed |
| 12:44.05 | liable | !irritate Shadowcat |
| 12:44.05 | dpkg | Shadowcat: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde thx |
| 12:44.10 | liable | bah |
| 12:44.17 | phogg | Shadowcat: xchat 1.8.9 is the latest version I'll ever use and is only available from woody |
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| 12:44.22 | Shadowcat | hahaha liable you'll have to try harder |
| 12:44.27 | liable | was hoping the bot gods would give me the debina old one :( |
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| 12:44.33 | Shadowcat | phogg: uhh may I ask why? |
| 12:44.46 | morsing | If I install Debian over a serial console will serial port login be enabled after reboot? |
| 12:44.50 | Shadowcat | becuase honestly, I doubt stuff that old is even compile compatible with the latest gcc |
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| 12:45.05 | phogg | Shadowcat: I don't like gtk2. I prefer the menu layout in the old xchat. Many other annoying things about the new one. |
| 12:45.28 | phogg | Shadowcat: you'd be wrong there. It works, even with gcc4.1 |
| 12:45.30 | liable | phogg: time to find another client :) |
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| 12:45.46 | phogg | liable: I hate changing when I don't want to )-: |
| 12:46.02 | phogg | I just need to figure out what makes tinting not work now. |
| 12:46.04 | Shadowcat | yes I'm evil |
| 12:46.36 | tralala | so is there a way to make netstat -t display the full hostname? I couldn't find anything in the manual |
| 12:46.50 | Shadowcat | ...... |
| 12:46.55 | Shadowcat | netstat displays the entire dns by default |
| 12:47.04 | enouf | tralala: compile that functionality into it :-p |
| 12:47.16 | wols_ | Shadowcat: torture is categorically forbidden under UN human rights |
| 12:47.23 | wols_ | Shadowcat: -n |
| 12:47.28 | Shadowcat | wols_: that's not torture |
| 12:47.34 | Shadowcat | it'd be torture if I made him run WinME |
| 12:47.40 | enouf | ouch |
| 12:47.57 | tralala | enouf: heh ;) |
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| 12:48.09 | enouf | uh oh .. here it comes |
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| 12:50.20 | DevilChaos | hi folks managed an install on my asus a6rp but not deb im dissapointed got mandriva i586 working for the momentn but wishing for debian doh :( |
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| 12:51.09 | Ronin | DevilChaos: best just tell us the problem then |
| 12:51.28 | dvs | DevilChaos: So? Install Debian. |
| 12:51.51 | DevilChaos | cant it wont boot |
| 12:52.03 | tralala | DevilChaos: sarge? |
| 12:52.09 | Ronin | why not? what happens? how far do you get into teh install? |
| 12:52.11 | DevilChaos | i went through install |
| 12:52.13 | enouf | what's an a6rp? .. url |
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| 12:52.28 | dvs | enouf: Asus motherboard I assume |
| 12:52.34 | savek | hi |
| 12:52.35 | enouf | I know |
| 12:52.40 | DevilChaos | asus a6rp17h or sommat |
| 12:52.47 | enouf | tells us NOTHING about the chipset/CPU |
| 12:52.47 | DevilChaos | laptop |
| 12:52.59 | enouf | ^^^ |
| 12:53.09 | enouf | tuxmobil.org |
| 12:53.14 | DevilChaos | intel celeron with ati graphics |
| 12:53.19 | roxy_ | I am on debian testing amd64 with gcc4. I am having trouble with mozilla/eclipse. I found someone who solved my problem doing: " i had a problem due to only having the std c++ libraries for gcc4 while swt was compiled with gcc3, and i had to install a compat library in FC" |
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| 12:53.35 | enouf | one-liners get one-word responses .. do your own homework |
| 12:53.36 | roxy_ | what should I install in debian to try his solution ? |
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| 12:53.57 | DevilChaos | em yeah so i get tghrough install then when booting into system it just kinda stalls or hangs as it were |
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| 12:54.23 | dvs | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 12:54.24 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.18] http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm (See creator's warnings) |
| 12:54.30 | enouf | that certainly clarifies that then |
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| 12:57.23 | DevilChaos | 2.6.18 has i586 compatability? |
| 12:57.26 | DevilChaos | brb |
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| 12:58.08 | enouf | celery is i686 |
| 12:58.29 | Eulex | DevilChaos, yes; linux-image-2.6.18-1-486 |
| 12:58.37 | enouf | now broccoli .. that varies :-p |
| 12:59.36 | k31th | how do i remove a source install. |
| 12:59.53 | dvs | k31th: manually |
| 13:00.00 | enouf | luvin it |
| 13:00.03 | asg | k31th: make uninstall (from the src tree) |
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| 13:03.04 | pzn | what could be the side effects of using a -k7 kernel under a Intel Celeron? |
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| 13:03.18 | roxy_ | would anyone knows the debian package for what is compat-libstdc++-33 on FC6 ? |
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| 13:05.00 | malik | hm... i set up a nfs-kernel-server... i restricted access per /etc/default/portmap to a local interface... but when i do that suddenly it takes ages for nfs kernel daemon to start... |
| 13:05.00 | malik | any hints? |
| 13:05.12 | malik | it completes after a while but i cannot mount anything... |
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| 13:05.45 | malik | if i dont restrict access nfsd starts normally but it takes very long to mount |
| 13:05.48 | yel | hi everyone |
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| 13:05.59 | jooopyme | Hey, I have a file that is missing from my system. How do I dpkg search the package containing this file? |
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| 13:06.07 | danilom | courier-imap autenticate with system useres like pop3?? |
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| 13:07.20 | yassine | i would like to have mysql5 installed on my system must i set testing in source.list or is there a way to get mysql 5 installed with keeping the source.list as it is ? |
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| 13:08.01 | danilom | yassine look at apt-get.org |
| 13:08.21 | smacnay__ | is openoffice.org the same package as openoffice.org2? |
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| 13:10.19 | yassine | danilom, since i have an amd64 apt-get.org gives nothing back :/ |
| 13:10.48 | tarzeau | !popcon |
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| 13:10.49 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:10.55 | enouf | !tell jooopyme about search |
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| 13:20.55 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:20.56 | dpkg | i heard qotd87 is <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
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| 13:28.40 | liable | i see almost all the bots and idlers are back :) |
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| 13:29.26 | liable | dvs: cant find a girlfriend? |
| 13:29.30 | dvs | heh |
| 13:29.52 | dvs | liable: Yes, her name is Betsy.... um.... |
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| 13:30.31 | liable | thank god abrotman isnt here.. |
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| 13:33.18 | roxy_ | is it possible to search for file inside package using aptitude ? |
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| 13:33.22 | liable | roxy_: dpkg -S or apt-file |
| 13:33.25 | temery | bonjour |
| 13:33.26 | wols_ | packages.debian.org or apt-file is what you want |
| 13:33.31 | temery | je voudrais savoir |
| 13:33.38 | dvs | !fr |
| 13:33.38 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:34.00 | temery | Debian elle prend combien de cd si je veu juste la distro en mode textes (voir avec fluxbox) |
| 13:34.03 | roxy_ | wols_: thanks |
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| 13:34.13 | Tuxico | temery: 1 |
| 13:34.14 | temery | sorry |
| 13:34.18 | temery | :( |
| 13:34.23 | temery | XD |
| 13:34.34 | Jvander | hello |
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| 13:34.37 | DevilChaos | Eulex: so i install via net istall then use that kernel? silly question but needed to ask? |
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| 13:35.10 | roxy_ | liable: thanks |
| 13:35.43 | Eulex | DevilChaos, yes. |
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| 13:37.41 | Snadder | Anyone know how I can do a chroot.. and some way become another user inside the chroot jail? |
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| 13:38.48 | wols_ | man chroot, man su |
| 13:39.17 | Snadder | Well.. if I dont have the passwd file inside the chroot.. how can I use su? |
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| 13:40.32 | liable | isnt that the point of a chroot jail? limit what can be done and accessed? |
| 13:40.57 | ma3x | hello, is there a guide how to encrypt your disk? |
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| 13:41.08 | roxy_ | is there a reason not to have a common interface for dpkg/apt-get/apt-file/aptitude ? I actually thought it was aptitude goal. |
| 13:41.23 | Snadder | liable, yes.. but I need to test a few things as a normal user inside the chroot jail.. |
| 13:41.32 | wols_ | apt-get does something different than apt-file |
| 13:42.16 | liable | hopefully one day we may have that |
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| 13:45.27 | cahoot | ma3x: this maybe? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/PartmanCrypto |
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| 13:50.27 | ma3x | cahoot: I have debian sid. and debian installer is part of the debian sarge system |
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| 13:51.16 | cahoot | ma3x: ok - google on |
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| 13:54.49 | ma3x | cahoot: got a better one: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/howto-disk-encryption-with-dm-crypt-luks-and-debian |
| 13:54.51 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 14:00.38 | DevilChaos | Eulex: how do i get an install cd with that kernel image on it? i just tried my net install cd again and it doesnt get past some loop dependancy i think i need to do it with acpi off any tips to switch it off or get an installer with that kernel please? |
| 14:01.23 | DaveyB | DevilChaos, Often it works if you use the linux26 at the BootScreen |
| 14:01.43 | DevilChaos | all other distros suck ass exept maybe suse if i could get the thing to work maybe not |
| 14:01.49 | liable | DaveyB: the etch installer has 2.6.18 now |
| 14:01.59 | liable | DevilChaos: ^^ |
| 14:02.04 | DevilChaos | oh |
| 14:02.26 | liable | !d-i |
| 14:02.26 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 14:03.01 | DevilChaos | sweet cheers guys |
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| 14:04.12 | lunitik | wols_: CAN aptitude search on package contents remotely? (basically roxy_'s question again) |
| 14:04.37 | Eulex | DevilChaos, ah, you want an installer with that kernel. that's quite different from just installing the package with the right kernel... anyway, check out http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt if you want to replace the kernel in an installer |
| 14:04.56 | lunitik | wols_: ie, similarly to apt-file ... but via something like aptitude search --file foo ? |
| 14:05.07 | wols_ | lunitik: no clue. put in a brwoser and it can :) |
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| 14:06.08 | wols_ | pdo is way better than aüt-file. the apt-file updates are huge and take long |
| 14:06.11 | wols_ | pdo is faster |
| 14:06.44 | liable | but you dont have to update it very often in reality |
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| 14:06.57 | sandman | "pdo"? |
| 14:06.59 | wols_ | !tell DevilChaos about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 14:06.59 | sandman | dpkg pdo |
| 14:06.59 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 14:07.03 | sandman | Oh. |
| 14:07.29 | wols_ | liable: I found I did more than I liked |
| 14:08.31 | smacnay__ | to clean up space in /var (I see that the fontconfig dir is very large) - would removal of some fonts work or is there an option to pare down the fontconfig area? |
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| 14:08.57 | lunitik | Ahhh... duh |
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| 14:09.36 | buggarage | is there no way to prevent cron.daily and cron.weekly jobs to be executed at the same time ? or will they not interfere ? |
| 14:10.27 | buggarage | i started an dwww-index++ manually but now there are cron jobs started for them too ? |
| 14:10.27 | cahoot | buggarage: look at /etc/crontab |
| 14:10.46 | buggarage | cahoot: thx |
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| 14:22.34 | Nyle | I bought and installed a new video card, geforece 7600GS, recompiled the nvidia module and my 2nd monitor doesn't work. config is fine as far as I can tell. |
| 14:23.38 | Nyle | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4163 |
| 14:23.42 | Nyle | this is my xorg.conf |
| 14:23.44 | jzu_ | Hmmmm |
| 14:23.54 | Nyle | I use twinview |
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| 14:24.09 | Nyle | I had a gefore fx 5200 and that worked with this config file |
| 14:24.22 | jzu_ | Should I buy more RAM to my box, it has 9MBs free of 1.3GB, or is it just using it effectvilily |
| 14:24.48 | jzu_ | Im only running 4 apache virtual servers and dozen of irc-clients |
| 14:24.51 | jzu_ | and mysql |
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| 14:26.54 | liable | jzu_: you sure its not just cached? |
| 14:27.12 | Nyle | well I got it working!! |
| 14:27.14 | Nyle | but now my monitors are switched :( |
| 14:27.27 | jzu_ | liable: most of it are cached |
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| 14:27.41 | liable | jzu_: then you dont need more ram :) |
| 14:27.54 | jzu_ | will linux cache over phycihal ram and go to use swap? |
| 14:28.01 | jzu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.01 | jzu_ | Mem: 1293968 1234024 59944 0 67408 933688 |
| 14:28.01 | jzu_ | -/+ buffers/cache: 232928 1061040 |
| 14:28.01 | jzu_ | Swap: 749984 0 749984 |
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| 14:28.22 | Nyle | how does one specify which monitor is to the left/right of what |
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| 14:28.35 | Nyle | is that xorg specific option or nvidia twinview specific option, I dunno |
| 14:28.36 | jzu_ | so eh, +900MB is cached |
| 14:28.58 | liable | jzu_: dont paste here, but yeah, the thing is hardly actually using any of the ram you have |
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| 14:29.11 | jzu_ | liable: yeah |
| 14:29.21 | Blissex | Nyle: Xorg and TwinView do it totally differently. |
| 14:29.28 | Blissex | Nyle: best option: swap calbes :-). |
| 14:29.35 | jzu_ | liable: I think Ill buy 1GB more anyways, then I have max 2GB that Sun supports |
| 14:29.39 | Nyle | ahhhaha |
| 14:29.44 | jzu_ | liable: its so damn cheap from USA |
| 14:29.47 | Nyle | but it shows up correctly on windows/console |
| 14:29.54 | Nyle | well, can't really tell in console |
| 14:29.56 | Nyle | hold on |
| 14:29.56 | liable | jzu_: mail some to me too |
| 14:30.19 | jzu_ | liable: like, 50 euros with shipping for 1GB, it costs +800 euros from Finland :D |
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| 14:30.43 | liable | thats insane |
| 14:30.46 | Anarka | Nyle http://anarka.org/files/xorg.conf check the last lines |
| 14:31.04 | Anarka | serverlayout |
| 14:31.06 | kakarot | anybody with a centrino laptop with debian? |
| 14:31.41 | liable | !ask |
| 14:31.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:32.34 | Nyle | got ya |
| 14:32.34 | Nyle | thanks |
| 14:33.00 | pzn | which command should I use to build a 2.6 kernel like debian? make-kpkg kernel_image? should I use any other options like --initrd? |
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| 14:33.16 | dazjorz | Can I talk now? |
| 14:33.21 | dazjorz | Finally... |
| 14:33.22 | dazjorz | Anyhow |
| 14:33.24 | pzn | I meant "like debian default image" |
| 14:33.47 | liable | pzn: if you use the debian config, then yeah, you need to build an initrd |
| 14:34.08 | dazjorz | module-assistant needs the kernel headers for kernel version 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 14:34.15 | kreshnik | whitch packages i must install to run mplayer in X in debian stable |
| 14:34.15 | dazjorz | I can't find them on apt-get though |
| 14:34.26 | Bushmills | pzn: make-kpkg clean ; fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 14:34.28 | dazjorz | how to get them? |
| 14:34.36 | kakarot | Well, i have a centrino laptop with debian, i expect to have /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/scaling_availables , but i have not, so powernowd dont't works |
| 14:34.37 | liable | dazjorz: you need to upgrade to -3 then get the headers for that one |
| 14:34.47 | liable | dazjorz: -2 had a scurity problem... |
| 14:34.48 | pzn | liable, if I forgot.. --initrd, will It boot? |
| 14:34.50 | dazjorz | liable: Ok, I'll try |
| 14:34.58 | liable | pzn: no |
| 14:35.11 | Vilmar | I have a problem with sound (integrated realtek ac97), debian sarge 3.1 kernel 2.6.18 - I can't set it up |
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| 14:35.16 | liable | dazjorz: or you can get em at snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:35.19 | dazjorz | liable: can I upgrade using apt-get or do I have to recompile? |
| 14:35.34 | Vilmar | alsaconf says I have no "snd" module |
| 14:35.39 | pzn | liable, ops... that is why it did not boot :( and the machine is a 30km from home... ops! |
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| 14:35.47 | liable | dazjorz: apt-get, an update should get your kernel updated (if you have the meta package installed) |
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| 14:35.58 | Nyle | hi |
| 14:35.59 | liable | pzn: doh! |
| 14:36.07 | Nyle | whoever had the advice of switching cables |
| 14:36.14 | Nyle | thanks |
| 14:36.17 | pzn | liable, if I do again with --initrd, will it take the same 1 1/2 hour to compile, or it is quick? |
| 14:36.37 | Nyle | when I installed the new card, I forgot that the 2nd monitor was the one NOT attatched to vga/dvi converter |
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| 14:36.55 | liable | pzn: if you dont do clean, should be quicker |
| 14:37.06 | dazjorz | liable: aptitude search 2.6.8-3 gave nothing - I'm using etch, can I upgrade to a pre-2.6.10 kernel then? |
| 14:37.08 | Nyle | what the fuck is with my nick |
| 14:37.10 | liable | pzn: but dont count on it |
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| 14:37.20 | pzn | liable, :( |
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| 14:39.11 | dazjorz | I'll just downgrade to sarge, I guess... |
| 14:39.29 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 14:39.30 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 14:39.32 | Anarka | do you need a pre .10 kernel ? |
| 14:39.40 | dazjorz | :| |
| 14:39.52 | dazjorz | Yes |
| 14:40.11 | Anarka | cof cof why ? :) |
| 14:40.29 | dazjorz | Promise I don't get kicked :P |
| 14:40.36 | Anarka | not by me :P |
| 14:40.37 | dazjorz | Prism packet injection requires pre-2.8.10 |
| 14:40.50 | dazjorz | err |
| 14:40.52 | dazjorz | 2.6.10 |
| 14:40.59 | wols_ | why would you do packet injection when you have root on the box? |
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| 14:41.02 | wols_ | it's backwards |
| 14:41.12 | dazjorz | wtf |
| 14:41.29 | dazjorz | what does it matter wether I have root or not? |
| 14:41.34 | scrillaz | why i can't log in as root in etch? |
| 14:41.49 | wols_ | that box is already YOURS. not need to do h4x0ring on it: it's pointless |
| 14:41.55 | dazjorz | ... |
| 14:41.57 | roxy_ | scrillaz: because you forgot the root password |
| 14:42.01 | dazjorz | YEs. |
| 14:42.02 | dazjorz | Yes* |
| 14:42.11 | pelzi_ | he wants to haxor someone else |
| 14:42.18 | dazjorz | scrillaz: X or console? |
| 14:42.23 | scrillaz | X |
| 14:42.33 | scrillaz | and i did not forget the root password |
| 14:42.36 | pelzi_ | kde? |
| 14:42.41 | dazjorz | Since when does packet injection with a wireless LAN card have something to do with hacking your own PC? |
| 14:42.43 | scrillaz | kde |
| 14:42.46 | Bushmills | lol |
| 14:42.47 | dazjorz | scrillaz: Because it's disabled |
| 14:42.47 | Anarka | gdm used to now allow root login by default |
| 14:42.58 | wols_ | pelzi_: sure, but if he can install kernels there: why bother? |
| 14:43.03 | dazjorz | scrillaz: You can enable it with some appy, check the session options |
| 14:43.08 | scrillaz | why was it disabled? |
| 14:43.08 | wols_ | just install the rootkit instead of a kernel |
| 14:43.10 | scrillaz | ok |
| 14:43.18 | Snadder | anyone know how I can create a simular file like /dev/console inside a chroot jail? |
| 14:43.28 | Snadder | I suppose I need to use mknod or something |
| 14:43.30 | roxy_ | scrillaz: it is considered bad practice to login as root |
| 14:43.39 | wols_ | pelzi_: it proves once more that script kiddies and brains don't mix |
| 14:43.41 | pelzi_ | nah |
| 14:43.50 | pzn | liable, any other option that I should add with --initrd? |
| 14:43.50 | wols_ | Snadder: mknod |
| 14:43.57 | pelzi_ | he wants to use his own box, on which he has root, to hax wlans |
| 14:43.59 | scrillaz | ok. well i can login as root in the console |
| 14:43.59 | Charminthemoose | what directories is debian limited to using as on a separate partition? |
| 14:44.00 | roxy_ | scrillaz: login as normal user and su to root when necessary or use sudo |
| 14:44.03 | scrillaz | so that's ok |
| 14:44.04 | Snadder | wols_, which options do I have to use? |
| 14:44.04 | dazjorz | Okay this has gone far offtopic again |
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| 14:44.08 | pelzi_ | what has that got to do with having root in some other box |
| 14:44.14 | scrillaz | yea that's what am doin |
| 14:44.16 | wols_ | Snadder: the man option. highly recommended |
| 14:44.17 | dazjorz | I still need a pre-2.6.10 kernel |
| 14:44.24 | dazjorz | So how to install it with etch? |
| 14:44.32 | wols_ | dazjorz: then figure it out one your own |
| 14:44.34 | dazjorz | Or am I really going to have to reinstall Debian? |
| 14:44.39 | dazjorz | wols_: Sorry - why? |
| 14:44.40 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 14:44.43 | scrillaz | when etch becomes stable what will become of sarge? |
| 14:44.47 | wols_ | cause you#re evil? |
| 14:44.54 | pelzi_ | get an older deb and use dpkg |
| 14:44.55 | dazjorz | wols_: Since when am I evil? |
| 14:45.00 | pelzi_ | and sarge will be oldstable |
| 14:45.08 | wols_ | since you wanted to hack other boxes? |
| 14:45.08 | Charminthemoose | what directories is debian limited to using as on a separate partition? |
| 14:45.24 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: english please? |
| 14:45.26 | dazjorz | wols_: I do not want to hack other boxes, if you mean computers with boxes. |
| 14:45.35 | Charminthemoose | sorry |
| 14:45.40 | wols_ | dazjorz: then why do you want to do packet injection? |
| 14:45.52 | dazjorz | wols_: Because you really have NO idea what I'm talking about. |
| 14:45.52 | pelzi_ | let's not care |
| 14:46.16 | liable | pzn: that should do i think |
| 14:46.24 | Charminthemoose | what directories(/usr /mnt /home for instance) can debian mount on boot? |
| 14:46.29 | dazjorz | wols_: Let's just focus on fixing the problem, not why the problem is there - it will prevent you from looking like a total noob in front of the channel kthx |
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| 14:46.33 | Charminthemoose | aww forget it. |
| 14:46.40 | Charminthemoose | i'm an idiot |
| 14:46.48 | liable | pzn: actually, you may even be able to run that without a complete rebuild (maybe, i dont use initrds..) |
| 14:46.56 | wols_ | dazjorz: says the guy who doesn't know how to install kernels? Good one! |
| 14:46.57 | pelzi_ | well |
| 14:47.01 | danilom | 25 is the exim4 port as smtp??? |
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| 14:47.09 | dazjorz | wols_: Lol, Ive compiled like hundreds of kernels alread |
| 14:47.11 | dazjorz | already* |
| 14:47.13 | pelzi_ | /etc, /bin, /lib and /sbin needs to be on the / partition afaik |
| 14:47.14 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: I wouldn't move /boot, sbin, etc |
| 14:47.28 | pelzi_ | eh |
| 14:47.29 | dazjorz | wols_: I could just compile the 2.6.10 source I've got on this laptop right now |
| 14:47.35 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.39 | marsje | a general question: what is the best way to keep your config files synched? I manually ediited e.g. my exim4 config which is a pain when there is a exim update... |
| 14:47.40 | dazjorz | wols_: I'm just a lazy guy and want to do it the easy way |
| 14:47.47 | pelzi_ | boot was separated from / to allow for it being on a different partition... |
| 14:48.01 | dazjorz | wols_: Installing kernel 2.6.8-3 and the headers through apt-get would be okay with me. |
| 14:48.15 | dazjorz | wols_: But if it's not possible, I'll just compile the 2.6.10, no problem. |
| 14:48.17 | roxy_ | marsje: an update doesn't change the config file without your authorization |
| 14:48.18 | scrillaz | k |
| 14:48.36 | marsje | roxy_: I know, but I want the updates... |
| 14:48.55 | marsje | roxy_: how do I easily merged the changes? |
| 14:48.56 | mina_linux_Tux | i'm using debian sarge , can i update the packages to Etch or i have to install etch on my computer , i have 6 GB H.D and 128 MB of ram... ? |
| 14:48.58 | pelzi_ | updates to what |
| 14:49.02 | wols_ | marsje: can't |
| 14:49.03 | dazjorz | wols_: It's just that I have GCC 4, and kernel 2.6.10 has some syntax that worked before GCC 4 but not anymore |
| 14:49.20 | dazjorz | wols_: Things like Variable [] for an array need to be *Variable now or smth. |
| 14:49.33 | pelzi_ | just keep your current config |
| 14:49.36 | dazjorz | wols_: So I had to edit the kernels sources a lot of times, thats why I decided to do it the easy way. |
| 14:49.50 | pzn | liable, thanks. lets travel 30km... bye! |
| 14:49.52 | wols_ | dazjorz: then headers certainly won't help you |
| 14:49.54 | dazjorz | wols_: Now are you going to still call me a noob? kthx |
| 14:50.03 | liable | dazjorz: what is so hard about you getting -3 and the headers? |
| 14:50.06 | wols_ | dazjorz: no. I call you evil. I already did in fact |
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| 14:50.10 | xittum | mina_linux_Tux: yes.. you can update if you want to - just change your sources.list to etch |
| 14:50.16 | liable | pzn: have a nice trip! :) |
| 14:50.18 | wols_ | liable: idiocy :P |
| 14:50.22 | pzn | liable, thanks |
| 14:50.31 | dazjorz | wols_: I was trying to get the headers for 2.6.8-2 so that I can use module-assistant to install the drivers for prism and not care about other kernels anymore. |
| 14:50.35 | mina_linux_Tux | xittum: what's the url for etch |
| 14:50.46 | xingu | dazjorz: have you tried hostap driver and patches from http://patches.aircrack-ng.org/ ? |
| 14:50.53 | dazjorz | wols_: Maybe you think its evil to crack WEP networks. Yep, maybe it is. Are you going to stop me? |
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| 14:51.11 | wols_ | dazjorz: with gcc-4.0? if what you said above with the gcc stuff is true, you can't use m-a (unless you use gcc3x with it |
| 14:51.14 | xingu | dazjorz: running old kernel source is rarely a good answer to any given problem |
| 14:51.17 | liable | dazjorz: as i said (i think) if you dont want to upgrade to -3, (which you should) you can get the headers from s.d.n |
| 14:51.20 | pelzi_ | law enforcement will |
| 14:51.30 | dazjorz | xingu: I was trying to install hostap in the currently running kernel, module-assistant needed the headers for that |
| 14:51.34 | wols_ | no I cannot stop you and don't want you. doesn't make you less evil |
| 14:51.42 | Feax-Crysis | !wifi |
| 14:51.42 | dpkg | i guess wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 14:51.44 | dazjorz | wols_: Module-assistant uses gcc3 too? Damned :( |
| 14:51.53 | xingu | dazjorz: hostap is in-tree |
| 14:52.01 | dazjorz | xingu: Prism packet injection seems to need a 2.6.10 kernel, it said :/ |
| 14:52.01 | [mdevilz] | hi i was wondering if anyone would know which arch i would need for a single board computer (pc/104 i believe) as i am using i386 and in the downloading of software it stops at 74% no matter what mirror i choose thanks in adavance :) |
| 14:52.06 | xittum | mina_linux_Tux: ehmmm 2 sec |
| 14:52.09 | Miesco_ | FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb2) |
| 14:52.09 | Miesco_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.13 | pngwn | mina_linux_Tux, the same mirror you used for sarge |
| 14:52.19 | Miesco_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.22 | xingu | dazjorz: http://patches.aircrack-ng.org/hostap-kernel-2.6.17.patch <-- |
| 14:52.24 | Miesco_ | How come it says that for my ipod?? |
| 14:52.25 | wols_ | dazjorz: and from all the things you obviously don't know, I think I can safely call you a newbie, yes |
| 14:52.29 | dazjorz | xingu: !!! |
| 14:52.32 | dazjorz | xingu: Thanks |
| 14:52.40 | dazjorz | wols_: Ok, whatever |
| 14:52.42 | Miesco_ | I want to mount sdb2 as writable |
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| 14:53.03 | dazjorz | wols_: I'm still kinda laughing about your "You have root access. Why do you need packet injection?" though |
| 14:53.08 | Miesco_ | I cant umount or eject sdb2 either, says its busy |
| 14:53.10 | dazjorz | wols_: Just so you know |
| 14:53.26 | liable | laters |
| 14:53.27 | dazjorz | wols_: I'm not cracking WEP networks to hack other PC's. I'm just addicted to internet, wherever I am. |
| 14:53.36 | wols_ | dazjorz: I was thinking about a possible exploit for tcp numbers. but oh well yes I was wrong in one thing. |
| 14:53.39 | dazjorz | xingu: Gonna check on that :) |
| 14:53.46 | wols_ | you was wrong how many times? |
| 14:53.50 | dazjorz | wols_: Tell me. |
| 14:53.52 | wols_ | that is still THEFT |
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| 14:54.01 | dazjorz | wols_: whatever. |
| 14:54.02 | xittum | mina_linux_Tux: http://pastebin.ca/215278 maybe you should delete the first two lines.. danish mirror |
| 14:54.06 | dazjorz | wols_: go to #aircrack-ng |
| 14:54.21 | wols_ | why? to meet more thieves? |
| 14:54.32 | pelzi_ | oh please |
| 14:54.33 | lunitik | dazjorz: how about you stop being aggressive towards people, admit you're a n00b to Debian, and move along? |
| 14:54.37 | dazjorz | wols_: like wtf. |
| 14:54.44 | dazjorz | lunitik: whatever. |
| 14:54.45 | pelzi_ | wols_: stop trolling |
| 14:55.02 | dazjorz | lunitik: he's calling _me_ a newbie, noob and thief. |
| 14:55.04 | pelzi_ | nobody cares about your morality babble |
| 14:55.09 | liable | big breath, group hug! |
| 14:55.13 | dazjorz | pelzi_++ |
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| 14:55.42 | lunitik | dazjorz: you do appear to be a n00b to Debian... perhaps you're knowledgeable about networks in general, but certainly not Debian specifics |
| 14:55.51 | dazjorz | lunitik: Correct. |
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| 14:56.13 | pelzi_ | maybe we should also stop caring about who is a noob and who isn't and get on with our lives |
| 14:56.22 | dazjorz | lunitik: I'm not dealing with the Debian specifics a lot, indeed. |
| 14:56.34 | lunitik | dazjorz: and if you're trying to access private WAP's ... that is indeed stealing, and considered a crime at least in the US |
| 14:56.41 | dazjorz | lunitik: I compile my kernels using make menuconfig, make and make install, not make-kpkg, etcetera |
| 14:56.47 | dazjorz | lunitik: I know. |
| 14:57.06 | dazjorz | The hell, this is IRC, I didn't expect to find so much morality here. |
| 14:57.17 | pelzi_ | many other things are illegal too... up to everyone's discretion what risks one wants to take |
| 14:57.24 | lunitik | dazjorz: thank you for admitting wols_ is correct... no one here is going to assist you in breaking the law... at least no regular, of which wols_ is one |
| 14:57.32 | wols_ | dazjorz: you were half expecting to be kicked after mentioning packet injection the first time... |
| 14:57.39 | dazjorz | Yes. |
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| 14:57.49 | dazjorz | wols_: Well, no, I just wanted to be sure. |
| 14:57.50 | lunitik | dazjorz: this is #debian ... the distro famous for debian-legal mailing list :P |
| 14:57.59 | dazjorz | Lol |
| 14:58.16 | dazjorz | Well... |
| 14:58.20 | dazjorz | Okay, listen |
| 14:58.33 | dazjorz | I need the 2.6.10 kernel for audio modules that only work with 2.6.10 |
| 14:58.35 | dazjorz | If I would say that |
| 14:58.38 | Charminthemoose | how do i list what process is using /dev/hda1? |
| 14:58.40 | dazjorz | would you help me? |
| 14:58.45 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 14:58.59 | pumpkin0 | Charminthemoose: "lsof" and a creative use of "grep". |
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| 14:58.59 | pelzi_ | that wouldn't be possibly illegal |
| 14:59.01 | lunitik | !tell dazjorz about backports |
| 14:59.02 | wols_ | dazjorz: we would have yes, but now we know your real goals... kinda hard to convice us no? |
| 14:59.17 | dazjorz | Okay, kthx, You're totally not interested in the reason why I need 2.6.10, wether that is criminal activities or legal reasons. |
| 14:59.19 | Charminthemoose | lsof doesn't display anything |
| 14:59.20 | lunitik | !tell dazjorz about d-i |
| 14:59.32 | Charminthemoose | and i need to unmount it |
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| 14:59.52 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: cause it's not listed as /dev/hda* but as the normal filename |
| 14:59.55 | lunitik | dazjorz: backports have 2.6.16 for sarge... devel installer contains 2.6.18 |
| 14:59.57 | xingu | Charminthemoose: fuser -muv /dev/hda1 |
| 14:59.57 | wols_ | where is /dev/hda1 mounted? |
| 14:59.57 | dazjorz | I notice this channel isn't going to help me at all |
| 15:00.06 | pumpkin0 | Charminthemoose: grep for all mountpoints of /dev/hda1. Still nothing ? |
| 15:00.10 | dazjorz | I'll just get the hostap patches for the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 15:00.11 | Charminthemoose | wols_: What you say? |
| 15:00.11 | lunitik | dazjorz: see what dpkg told you |
| 15:00.16 | dazjorz | Sorry for bothering you all |
| 15:00.25 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: is /dev/hda1 mounted? if yes: where? |
| 15:00.40 | Charminthemoose | wols: it's mounted on /mnt/hda1 |
| 15:00.54 | MArk_K | whot i must instll for archivs |
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| 15:00.57 | kakarot | Every document i've read in internet says i've to have some directories under /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0, like cpufreq, in a pentium M processor |
| 15:00.58 | wols_ | dazjorz: you cannot compile modules for a gcc3 compiled kernel with gcc4. compiler must match between kernel and modules |
| 15:01.00 | Charminthemoose | ah there we go |
| 15:01.01 | pumpkin0 | Charminthemoose: "lsof | grep /mnt/hda1" ? |
| 15:01.03 | Charminthemoose | never mind |
| 15:01.14 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: lsof |grep mnt/hda1 |
| 15:01.17 | Charminthemoose | i found itt |
| 15:01.17 | pelzi_ | kakarot: load speedstep_centrino |
| 15:01.17 | dazjorz | wols_: I compiled 2.6.18 with gcc4 |
| 15:01.31 | dazjorz | Well cya all |
| 15:01.37 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: and use a recent kernel. |
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| 15:01.47 | wols_ | dazjorz: but you said 2.6.8 would be compiled with gcc3 due to incompatibilities. I dunno about that but you seemed to be sure |
| 15:02.26 | mina_linux_Tux | xittum: it's not working |
| 15:02.51 | kakarot | Every document i've read in internet says i've to have some directories under /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0, like cpufreq, in a pentium M processor, but i have not that, i'm using kernel 2.6.18 and speedstep_lib |
| 15:03.04 | pelzi_ | dammit |
| 15:03.09 | pelzi_ | I told you |
| 15:03.14 | wols_ | kakarot: pumpkin0 already told you |
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| 15:03.26 | xittum | mina_linux_Tux: did you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list into what i put in that pastebin? and run apt-get update or aptitude update? |
| 15:03.29 | wols_ | kakarot: please listen what people say to you or don't ask in the first place |
| 15:03.46 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: speedstep_lib and speedstep_centrino are not the same. |
| 15:03.46 | mina_linux_Tux | xittum: no i mean the pastebin link isn't working |
| 15:04.03 | xittum | mina_linux_Tux: ahh.. one momment then |
| 15:04.24 | kakarot | pumpkin0 speedstep_centrino don't works on my laptop |
| 15:04.33 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 15:04.33 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 15:04.45 | Anarka | LOL |
| 15:04.52 | pelzi_ | then live without |
| 15:04.53 | mina_linux_Tux | xittum: BTW it's urgent to update my system to etch , i'm runinng sarge |
| 15:05.00 | pelzi_ | or use p4_clockmod |
| 15:05.06 | mina_linux_Tux | xittum: i'm just asking |
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| 15:05.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:05.26 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:05.41 | gentgeen__ | how can I apply my new xresources file without restarting X? |
| 15:05.57 | tarzeau | gentgeen__: restart your x client? |
| 15:06.00 | xittum | mina_linux_Tux: nly update if you feel you must.. sarge is fine - i know people who use it EVERY day and are happy with that |
| 15:06.06 | cahoot | gentgeen__: xrdb -merge |
| 15:06.37 | mina_linux_Tux | xittum: extra space is required ? |
| 15:06.54 | SPF | how should I install the newest version of firefox? from source or with apt? |
| 15:06.57 | kakarot | pumpkin0 i've read that speedstep_centrino is for some processors and speedstep_lib is por others, mine works with speestep_lib |
| 15:07.05 | stoned | kakarot, hehe |
| 15:07.06 | wols_ | SPF: apt. always apt in debian |
| 15:07.09 | pelzi_ | no. |
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| 15:07.18 | SPF | wols_: apt doesnt have the newest version |
| 15:07.22 | stoned | dragon balls |
| 15:07.23 | pelzi_ | speedstep_centrino or p4_clockmod are for pentium M |
| 15:07.24 | stoned | ballz |
| 15:07.25 | SPF | currently installed 1.0.4 |
| 15:07.26 | wols_ | SPF: then make a .deb |
| 15:07.29 | xittum | mina_linux_Tux: mina_linux_Tux only whoile updateing/unpacking |
| 15:07.38 | xittum | a pasebin that works guys ? |
| 15:07.42 | wols_ | !paster |
| 15:07.43 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 15:08.22 | mina_linux_Tux | is there a debian IRC channel discussing Ruby on Debian and also Wifi on debian ? |
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| 15:09.49 | kristalino | hi. What does that mean : E: Build-Depends dependency for nginx cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 15:10.21 | xittum | wols_: now how do i get the paste to mina_linux_Tux in this channel? |
| 15:10.44 | mina_linux_Tux | xittum: it's ok i got |
| 15:10.47 | mina_linux_Tux | xittum: it |
| 15:10.47 | gentgeen__ | cahoot, thanks |
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| 15:11.00 | cahoot | np |
| 15:11.07 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: well if thatis the case: you don´t have a PentiumM. You have a pentium III M |
| 15:11.17 | wols_ | xittum: it shows you a url you can paste here? |
| 15:11.17 | mina_linux_Tux | i'm just asking if there's a channel discussing , Ruby on Debian |
| 15:11.26 | kakarot | pumpkin0 http://channels.debian.net/paste/4165 |
| 15:11.48 | xittum | wols_: DOH.. i need breakfast NOW :) |
| 15:11.51 | wols_ | "this content is stored as <link>" |
| 15:11.56 | MArk_K | I want to open tar.gz archive...what i need? |
| 15:12.07 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: upload /proc/cpuinfo please ? |
| 15:12.09 | wols_ | MArk_K: tar, gzip |
| 15:12.11 | asg | MArk_K: /msg dpkg tar |
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| 15:12.48 | gyoffi | guys, what package should I "dpkg-reconfigure" to set the nice value for the X server under SID??? |
| 15:12.51 | pelzi_ | speedstep_lib is NOT A DRIVER, it is a library |
| 15:12.53 | gyoffi | hi btw :) |
| 15:12.59 | wols_ | gyoffi: xserver-xorg |
| 15:13.03 | gyoffi | thanks |
| 15:13.06 | pelzi_ | it is speedstep_ich or the other one if you have a PIII |
| 15:13.35 | mina_linux_Tux | ?? |
| 15:13.46 | kakarot | pumpkin0 http://channels.debian.net/paste/4168 |
| 15:14.16 | pelzi_ | then it is either speedstep_centrino or p4_clockmod. |
| 15:14.24 | gyoffi | wols_, there were no quiestions about the nice value |
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| 15:14.28 | pelzi_ | or the lappy just does not support it (get a new bios) |
| 15:14.36 | gyoffi | the truth is that I use ubuntu (i think its equal to sid) |
| 15:14.49 | wols_ | #ubuntu |
| 15:15.03 | wols_ | and no, ubuntu isn't equal to any debian, sorry |
| 15:15.32 | gyoffi | ok, thanks |
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| 15:18.07 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: a agree with pelzi_: the BIOS-laptop or the kernel are too old. |
| 15:19.31 | kristalino | please ? Error on building a package |
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| 15:19.55 | Miesco | How do I unmound my ipod on /dev/sdb2? |
| 15:20.01 | kakarot | pumpkin0 the kernel is 2.6.18 |
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| 15:20.41 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: what laptop is it and how old is the BIOS ? |
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| 15:21.05 | kakarot | pumpkin0 the laptop is a toshiba |
| 15:21.14 | fasta | How can I request the same IP address from my router everytime? |
| 15:21.27 | kakarot | the bios of the laptop i don't know how old is |
| 15:21.29 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: you don´t unmount stuff on /dev/sd... you unmount them there you mounted them ...like /mnt/ipod |
| 15:21.36 | mina_linux_Tux | i'm in my way to learn Ruby and i'm using debian sarge , i'm asking for a basic work required for any of debian/ruby packages to get practical experiences , any guide ??? |
| 15:21.47 | pumpkin0 | fasta: setup a fixed IP ? |
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| 15:22.28 | fasta | pumpkin0: I can't really configure in inside my router, so I must do something on this host. Question is what? |
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| 15:22.31 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: the BIOS max have a switch to disable ACPI ... |
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| 15:23.02 | pumpkin0 | fasta: tell the host to NOT request a IP and give it a fixed IP outside the DHCP-IP-range. |
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| 15:23.06 | kakarot | pumpkin0 i think i've seen something like that |
| 15:23.40 | fasta | pumpkin0: and how would I do that? |
| 15:23.45 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: enable everything realted to power saving and check again. Did you compile that kernel yourself ? |
| 15:23.47 | xittum | fasta: /etc/networking/interfaces - take a look at man interfaces |
| 15:23.47 | smacnay__ | Hi, where is a good place to start looking at freeing up space in /var? Seems I have very little space left for updating with apt-get (even after clean). |
| 15:24.05 | robin_sz | try /tmp first |
| 15:24.07 | mina_linux_Tux | ?? no comment |
| 15:24.08 | mina_linux_Tux | ? |
| 15:24.14 | asg | smacnay__: apt-get clean ; then /var/log |
| 15:24.18 | multi_io | is there a way to find out the build dependencies of a package or source package without actually downloading it? |
| 15:24.18 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 15:24.19 | dpkg | somebody said debstats was managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 15:24.40 | smacnay__ | asg: looked at /var/log too and it isn't the big hog... |
| 15:24.50 | robin_sz | well, apt-get clean then |
| 15:24.52 | asg | smacnay__: did you run 'apt-get clean' though? |
| 15:24.58 | smacnay__ | asg: yes |
| 15:25.07 | robin_sz | well, buy a bigger disk |
| 15:25.08 | kakarot | pumpkin0 i've tried with the precompiled debian kernel and with a kernel compiled by myself, then do yoy say that acpi must be enabled or disabled in bios ? |
| 15:25.09 | pumpkin0 | smacnay__: use "du" to search the biggest files .. |
| 15:25.16 | multi_io | !build-deps |
| 15:25.18 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: enabled. |
| 15:25.20 | mina_linux_Tux | am i asking my question in the wrong place ? |
| 15:25.28 | fasta | pumpkin0: Are you sure I can just delete the iface eth1 inet dhcp line and replace it with a static line? |
| 15:25.29 | smacnay__ | pumpkin0: is there a way to have it only display each dir and not recursively? |
| 15:25.33 | asg | smacnay__: then du -h /var | sort -rn | less |
| 15:25.35 | pumpkin0 | mina_linux_Tux: try the ruby-channel. |
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| 15:26.19 | xittum | fasta: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4169 |
| 15:26.25 | Miesco | pumpkin0: It still says its busy if I do umount /media/IPOD |
| 15:26.43 | pumpkin0 | asg: smacnay__: du -h and sort do not mix. "-h" kills the sorting. |
| 15:27.17 | smacnay__ | asg: thanks - I should have thought of that... sort |
| 15:27.18 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: use "lsof | grep /media/IPOD" to find the problematic program still using the IPOD |
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| 15:27.40 | asg | pumpkin0: asg@grep:~$ sudo du -h /var | sort -rn | head |
| 15:27.40 | asg | 942K /var/log/ksymoops |
| 15:27.42 | kakarot | pumpkin0 i'll gl to see the bios options, see you later, and thanks |
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| 15:28.16 | Miesco | pumpkin0: famd... |
| 15:28.31 | pumpkin0 | asg: i get the 4.0K file before the 3.9M files and after the 4.1M files ... |
| 15:28.51 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: "/etc/init.d/famd stop" |
| 15:29.12 | smacnay__ | asg: ahh, |
| 15:29.14 | smacnay__ | 51633 /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 15:29.14 | smacnay__ | 39596 /var/lib/dpkg |
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| 15:29.30 | asg | pumpkin0: true, there is that. |
| 15:29.48 | Miesco | pumpkin0: THanks!!! |
| 15:30.27 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: restart famd afterwards .... |
| 15:30.42 | Miesco | pumpkin0: What is famd? |
| 15:31.08 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: it tells programms if files change. It´s not vital but not bad eigther... |
| 15:31.41 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: files alternation monitor deamon .... or something like that. |
| 15:31.53 | Miesco | pumpkin0: Is it stoping files to change on my ipod? |
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| 15:32.31 | smacnay__ | asg: ah - du -h --max-depth=1 pares down the directories... it is /var/lib with the most file usage |
| 15:32.46 | asg | smacnay__: ah |
| 15:32.47 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: no. It just stops nautilus and other programms from seeing changes instandly. |
| 15:34.00 | smacnay__ | asg: the /var/lib dir using most are dpkg apt and texmf |
| 15:34.18 | pumpkin0 | smacnay__: do you use tetex ? |
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| 15:35.23 | Miesco | pumpkin0: So I have to stop it everytime I want to unmoun t? |
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| 15:36.40 | pumpkin0 | Miesco: i think just changing nautilus and xmms ,... to a different dir may be enough. But the surefire-way it to kill famd and every other process showing up in lsof accessing that dirs.. |
| 15:37.16 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: better ? |
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| 15:38.13 | kakarot | pumpkin0 the only option i've found about the cpu frequency is: Dynamic CPU Frequency Mode, that is put in Dynamically Switchable |
| 15:38.36 | kakarot | the other options are Always High and Always Low |
| 15:38.36 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: are you sure the module is not already loaded ? |
| 15:39.01 | smacnay__ | pumpkin0: yes but I just installed oo.org to make my life with colleagues and the rest of the work easier |
| 15:39.32 | SPF | I'm trying to make a deb of the newest mozilla firefox, but after configure it gives me the error "C++ compiler cannot create executables". libc6-dev and gcc-3.4 are installed |
| 15:39.49 | smacnay__ | pumpkin0: s/work/world |
| 15:40.09 | pelzi_ | kakarot: try "always high" |
| 15:40.12 | kakarot | pumpkin0 in /etc/modules i have speestep_lib becouse that don't give problems with modprobe |
| 15:40.17 | pumpkin0 | smacnay__: the fonts-cache of tetex can be huge. (and i think latex is better then oo, but that is just me) |
| 15:41.01 | smacnay__ | pumpkin0: so do I actually |
| 15:42.06 | pumpkin0 | smacnay__: if you need size, just compress something unimportant like /usr with squashfs. But that will make installing new software a bit complex. |
| 15:42.29 | pumpkin0 | s/unimportant/unchanging |
| 15:42.33 | smacnay__ | pumpkin0: I do find that latex is much more versatile but I need to be able to open and save to M$ .doc format. |
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| 15:43.41 | qailer | hiya guys, how do I mount a read only samba share with fstab? |
| 15:45.06 | pumpkin0 | qailer: just specify ro in the options ... ? |
| 15:45.40 | smacnay__ | pumpkin0: I have about 117 Meg left on /var |
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| 15:46.16 | pumpkin0 | smacnay__: that is enough for normal operation, a bit low for bigger updates ... |
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| 15:46.58 | qailer | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //ip-address/Album, \n missing codepage or other error |
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| 15:47.19 | sleon | hi, i am looking for the program which would show me the bandwidth use of computers which are in the subnet behind a linux nat. |
| 15:47.24 | sleon | any suggestions? |
| 15:48.11 | SPF | trafshow or iptraf |
| 15:48.20 | ma3x | if I want to encrypt a partition, should I first erase it, or can I crypt the already existing partition with the existing data on it? |
| 15:48.21 | multi_io | why does aptitude sometimes want to remove lots of packages even though, in the last interactive screen, it only displayed a few packages for installation and upgrade, many as being "held back", and not a single one for removal? |
| 15:48.31 | smacnay__ | pumpkin0: yes... like xorg and tetex at the same time... |
| 15:48.51 | smacnay__ | pumpkin0: I guess I can always hold a large update off until other stuff is done. |
| 15:48.54 | qailer | pumpkin0, sry, my question wasn't ment as how to mount only readlable, it was ment as in how to ment a samba share |
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| 15:49.46 | pumpkin0 | qailer: can you mount the thing for console ? |
| 15:50.10 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: first erase the thing. |
| 15:50.12 | qailer | I don't remeber smbmount, now I've just done it with nautilus |
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| 15:50.28 | ma3x | pumpkin0: but I already have data on it, a lot of data, I can't back it up |
| 15:50.42 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: don´t encrypt it. |
| 15:51.21 | pumpkin0 | qailer: most of the time there is a small, but vital option missing. get it to work with smbmount and fstab will be easy. |
| 15:51.41 | qailer | pumpkin0, ok, thx |
| 15:51.48 | ma3x | pumpkin0: but can I encrypt it, or can't I? |
| 15:52.37 | qailer | pumpkin0, I solved it :) |
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| 15:52.47 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: most encrypting options for linux encrypt the block-device. Durring the 1. encrypting all old data will be killed. |
| 15:52.51 | qailer | pumkin0, didn't have all the packages needed |
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| 15:53.42 | ma3x | ok |
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| 15:57.39 | yassine | i have a sarge stable am64 box and would like to upgrade to etch are there any critical points i should take care of ? |
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| 15:57.54 | Miesco | Okay I want to do something to each file that matches a regex expression, how would I do that? |
| 15:58.05 | pumpkin0 | yassine: a complet backup. |
| 15:58.22 | yassine | pumpkin0, already done :) |
| 15:58.48 | kakarot | pumpkin0 i've just seen what happen, i had the acpi-cpufreq module enabled, and it's look like if it was incompatible with speedstep_centrino, becouse once i've unistalled acpi-cpufreq i can install speedstep-centrino |
| 15:59.16 | computer13137 | Hey |
| 15:59.23 | computer13137 | I was wondering if anyone here has ever setup a Halo dedicated server on Debian. I would like to try to do this, but I'm not sure what emulation software I need, etc... I would appreciate someone pushing me in the right direction if you know. :) |
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| 16:01.29 | Miesco | xargs id3tool --Artist=Mozart | find . -name Mozart*.mp3 |
| 16:01.33 | Miesco | Would that work? |
| 16:02.10 | wols_ | cahoot: WINE perhaps? or qemu? |
| 16:02.27 | SoulX | gemu - what is it? |
| 16:02.40 | wols_ | vmware for free basically |
| 16:02.43 | wols_ | !find quem |
| 16:02.50 | wols_ | !find qemu |
| 16:02.58 | sleon | SPF: thx, very cool staff! |
| 16:03.03 | SoulX | did somebody here use Cedega? |
| 16:03.14 | sleon | SoulX: i did use it :DD |
| 16:03.16 | wols_ | Cedega is non free and not in debian |
| 16:03.21 | SoulX | and how is it? |
| 16:03.29 | SoulX | i understand |
| 16:03.38 | SoulX | but is it good? |
| 16:03.43 | sleon | SoulX: it depends on the game |
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| 16:04.07 | sleon | SoulX: they claim to support a variety of games, and often even cooperate with game developers |
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| 16:04.32 | yassine | pumpkin0, is this a good way to achieving the update : http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-sarge-to-etch.html ? |
| 16:04.36 | SoulX | so is it good replacement for windows? |
| 16:04.43 | sleon | SoulX: for example eve online, they work with ccp to integrate patches ccp releases for eve. but still recent patch broke the performance on linux tremendeously |
| 16:04.46 | sleon | SoulX: no |
| 16:04.46 | pelzi_ | for games it works |
| 16:04.51 | sleon | SoulX: for some games |
| 16:05.09 | pelzi_ | depends on what you want to do |
| 16:05.09 | sleon | SoulX: and it is also officialy support list of games, but generally you get 70% of windows perf |
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| 16:05.35 | sleon | SoulX: when you subscribe it you can decide which games should get official support |
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| 16:05.43 | sleon | SoulX: iirc even WoW is supported by them |
| 16:05.44 | pumpkin0 | yassine: yes, that is a good starting point. if you have servers (SQL) running, consider reading on the changes between the version in etch and sarge. |
| 16:05.47 | SoulX | so i mean rpg...like fallout, baldur's gate, nwn |
| 16:05.52 | SoulX | i like it |
| 16:05.59 | roxy_ | I got a lot of : Oct 22 17:02:40 home kernel: parport0: FIFO is stuck |
| 16:06.01 | roxy_ | Oct 22 17:02:40 home kernel: parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio |
| 16:06.03 | SoulX | i don't what to play online much |
| 16:06.11 | sleon | SoulX: nwn runs natively |
| 16:06.13 | roxy_ | in my logs, where does that comes from ? |
| 16:06.18 | sleon | SoulX: fallout runs natively or with wine without probelms! |
| 16:06.26 | sleon | SoulX: baldrus gate 1 and 2 runs with win without problems |
| 16:06.32 | sleon | SoulX: so no need for cedega :) |
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| 16:06.50 | sleon | SoulX: wine is even getting better direct3d support recently |
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| 16:07.08 | SoulX | hmm...ok. that's fine |
| 16:07.09 | sleon | SoulX: it is even sometimes better then cedega |
| 16:07.26 | sleon | SoulX: but cedega has copy protection code, so you can run copy protected games without using cd crack |
| 16:07.35 | SoulX | maybe i will use linux at home....not only as a server |
| 16:07.49 | sleon | SoulX: install ubuntu then :) or kubuntu, it is good for desktop |
| 16:07.55 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 16:08.00 | pelzi_ | debian is fine for a desktop |
| 16:08.01 | pumpkin0 | sleon: SoulX: wine and cedega do exchange code. So if something works well in one, expect it to work in the other soon too. |
| 16:08.14 | sleon | pelzi_: debian is best distro for server! and too outdated for desktop |
| 16:08.22 | pelzi_ | nope. |
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| 16:08.26 | tarzeau | sleon: i disagree |
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| 16:08.30 | pelzi_ | it is fine on the desktop. |
| 16:08.35 | pelzi_ | ever heard of sid... |
| 16:08.37 | sleon | pumpkin0: i heard that it is not the case , and that the project drifft apart |
| 16:08.41 | roxy_ | sleon: I use it for desktop at work and home |
| 16:08.43 | sleon | pelzi_: yes |
| 16:08.45 | SoulX | i'l wait for the etch |
| 16:08.46 | sleon | roxy_: ok |
| 16:08.54 | tarzeau | sleon: if you buy a server today , some hardware of it won't be supported by stable |
| 16:09.06 | SoulX | and now i'll study unix/linux... |
| 16:09.06 | tarzeau | roxy_: same here |
| 16:09.07 | pumpkin0 | sleon: the bugs and error-msg i currently have are bit-by-bit the same ... |
| 16:09.08 | sleon | tarzeau: did i say something elease ? |
| 16:09.17 | tarzeau | sleon: yes, you said: 18:08 < sleon> pelzi_: debian is best distro for server! and too outdated for desktop |
| 16:09.25 | sleon | tarzeau: yes |
| 16:09.29 | tarzeau | sleon: how can it be the best distro for server if you can't even install it? |
| 16:09.34 | pourriture | tarzeau: had that happen to me last week .. with a dual opteron box |
| 16:09.35 | tarzeau | sleon: because the kernel is way out dated? |
| 16:09.37 | slocate | what are the pkgs to install the base gtk? |
| 16:09.42 | tarzeau | pourriture: i know, tell sleon |
| 16:09.44 | pelzi_ | just use a newer kernel |
| 16:09.46 | sleon | tarzeau: because it is very stable, with mature ocnfigs |
| 16:09.58 | tarzeau | pelzi_: i do, it's just stock debian is not the best for what sleon says it is |
| 16:10.02 | pourriture | I ended up using etch |
| 16:10.07 | sleon | tarzeau: and apt-get dpkg-config , big user comminity and several thousands package maintainers |
| 16:10.11 | roxy_ | tarzeau: but I can't compare, I never used anything else. |
| 16:10.14 | tarzeau | sleon: ah ok because of that. but that doesn't make it worse for the desktop |
| 16:10.30 | pourriture | I figure with a target date of decmber to go gold ... I won't be in testing for long |
| 16:10.30 | tarzeau | sleon: you don't have to convice me of debian |
| 16:10.32 | sleon | tarzeau: is there kde 3.5.5 ? is there full hal/dbus/udev support? |
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| 16:10.36 | tarzeau | sleon: i already have it, since 7 years |
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| 16:10.40 | sleon | tarzeau: how easy is it to stay up to date? |
| 16:10.43 | tarzeau | sleon: who says i want kde? |
| 16:10.48 | tarzeau | sleon: very easy |
| 16:10.49 | sleon | tarzeau: my users want kde |
| 16:10.59 | sleon | tarzeau: apt drives me nuts sometimes |
| 16:11.00 | tarzeau | sleon: they can install it in their home, can't they?\ |
| 16:11.03 | pumpkin0 | sleon: do you need udev to have openOffice working ? |
| 16:11.03 | tarzeau | sleon: my users can |
| 16:11.31 | sleon | pumpkin0: i need udev for camera scanner and usb stick plug and play support |
| 16:11.35 | pourriture | sleon: if desperate you could use a pci ide controller to install and then update kernel from backports (or build a new one manually) |
| 16:11.47 | sleon | tarzeau: my users can not install into their home anything, they are windows users |
| 16:11.47 | pourriture | and then run from an onboard controller |
| 16:11.50 | pelzi_ | or change the kernel in thhe installer |
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| 16:11.53 | pourriture | for xample |
| 16:11.58 | tarzeau | sleon: that's not a problem of debian |
| 16:12.02 | tarzeau | sleon: but a problem of your users |
| 16:12.05 | pumpkin0 | sleon: automounting and firmwareclass work fine w/o udev... |
| 16:12.10 | pourriture | just research hardware before making any decisions |
| 16:12.17 | sleon | pumpkin0: naja ... :( |
| 16:12.32 | SoulX | windows users....correct: they are just lamers no more |
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| 16:12.48 | sleon | SoulX: they ARE lamers ,right |
| 16:13.06 | SoulX | so am i... but i am at lesat understand something in linux and programming |
| 16:13.10 | sleon | SoulX: but still when i want to drve linux desktops here efficiently i can not teach them, they want to get work done |
| 16:13.35 | pelzi_ | umm |
| 16:13.36 | Miesco | If you do: myscript kill them all, $1 = 'kill' $2- = 'them all'? |
| 16:13.38 | sleon | so i install windows like distro |
| 16:13.40 | Miesco | Can you do that? |
| 16:13.49 | pelzi_ | I have setup multiple Debian based systems for lusers |
| 16:14.01 | pelzi_ | they can use them just fine |
| 16:14.09 | sleon | pelzi_: i am looking at limux project |
| 16:14.14 | SoulX | that's good |
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| 16:14.22 | sleon | pelzi_: i have they will public some information on setup |
| 16:14.34 | SoulX | maybe be i'll try it once on my network ) |
| 16:15.01 | sleon | pelzi_: not here unfortunatly |
| 16:15.05 | SoulX | they are fond of destroing their windows systems |
| 16:15.12 | sleon | right this is the case |
| 16:15.15 | sleon | here too |
| 16:15.32 | pelzi_ | just nfsroot and centrally administrate |
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| 16:16.37 | gans20|malchik | hi, how to install downloaded *.deb file? |
| 16:16.37 | sleon | pelzi_: nfsroot of /usr/ ? |
| 16:16.45 | sleon | gans20|malchik: dpkg -i *de |
| 16:16.47 | sleon | +b |
| 16:16.52 | unfo | hi all, is there a standard license text to use for freeware? (I am trying to get oracle to submit oracle-xe to non-free.) |
| 16:17.00 | Charminthemoose | what is limux? |
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| 16:17.20 | unfo | Charminthemoose, a delicious alcoholic beverage with lime and penguin? :P |
| 16:17.27 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: google knows |
| 16:17.41 | wols_ | LiMux is the custom distro the city of munich, germany uses |
| 16:17.43 | sleon | Charminthemoose: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux |
| 16:17.56 | sleon | Charminthemoose: 30k clients |
| 16:17.57 | wols_ | sleon: unlikely he knows german :) |
| 16:18.00 | pelzi_ | nfsroot of root, of course |
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| 16:18.08 | gans20|malchik | sleon, thanks. and how to resolve dependencies for that package? |
| 16:18.22 | scrillaz | etch is the real thing |
| 16:18.39 | sleon | Charminthemoose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux |
| 16:18.45 | sadneophye | hi I am running out of space, and I was wondering how to find large files on my computer that I might have forgotten about. 'ls -lARs ' sort of works, but I think I need a grep line, does anyone have any nice shortcuts or tricks? |
| 16:18.50 | sleon | gans20|malchik: good question :D |
| 16:18.56 | pelzi_ | almost everything is shared, the non-shared stuff is on machine-specific nfs mounts and symlinked on the common root |
| 16:18.57 | unfo | sadneophye, apt-get install xdiskusage |
| 16:18.59 | sleon | gans20|malchik: when you find out tell me |
| 16:19.06 | gans20|malchik | sleon, =) |
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| 16:19.14 | pumpkin0 | gans20|malchik: install them with "apt-get". There is no automatic way to install things from .deb and the repos at the same time. |
| 16:19.17 | sadneophye | unfo is that gtk or something else? |
| 16:19.25 | unfo | sadneophye, it requires X Window. also try debfoster or deborphan. |
| 16:19.31 | sadneophye | sorry unfo I am dumb |
| 16:19.35 | gans20|malchik | pumpkin0, thanks i'll try that |
| 16:19.36 | pumpkin0 | sadneophye: do you know "du" ? |
| 16:19.48 | unfo | sadneophye, dont worry were all newbies sometimes :) |
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| 16:20.30 | sadneophye | pumpkin0 unfo you guys rule |
| 16:20.31 | mlowe | pumpkin0, you are awesome |
| 16:20.41 | unfo | sadneophye, thanks! |
| 16:21.20 | sadneophye | unfo it is soo sad I have been using X and linux for... 6 years... but sometimes.... I feel like a real neophyte |
| 16:21.26 | sleon | unfo: what is debfoster and deboprhan? |
| 16:21.34 | unfo | me 3 years and still a newbie :) |
| 16:21.37 | sleon | sadneophye: haha |
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| 16:21.49 | pumpkin0 | sleon: tools for searching unsued deb-packages (old libs) |
| 16:21.52 | unfo | sleon, debfoster shows you which packages have many dependencies |
| 16:22.10 | unfo | also sudo apt-get install wajig && wajig sizes |
| 16:22.11 | xittum | sleon: TIP !.. apt-cache show <package> |
| 16:22.14 | unfo | also sudo apt-get clean |
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| 16:22.37 | sleon | xittum: hr |
| 16:22.42 | sleon | xittum: thx |
| 16:22.44 | sleon | :) |
| 16:23.25 | sadneophye | is the newest debian sarge rc2? |
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| 16:24.11 | pumpkin0 | sadneophye: the "newest" is experimental. But do not use it unless you know what you are doing. |
| 16:24.52 | unfo | sadneophye, we recommend Debian sarge only. newer ones break sometimes and we are reluctant to provide free support for them. |
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| 16:25.53 | sadneophye | pumkin0 I ONLY use debian stable... if I want experimental, I usually wander to a deb based distro, but stable have always been awesome. They also sometimes have knowledgable people. Sometimes.... |
| 16:26.06 | xittum | sadneophye: hmm... rc is release candidate.. 3.1 rev3 is the newest SARGE |
| 16:26.36 | sadneophye | 3.1 rev3...? |
| 16:26.58 | sadneophye | what is the difference between sarge rev 3 and sarge |
| 16:27.30 | xittum | updates/patches that came after the first sarge is sadneophye |
| 16:27.35 | SoulX | between r1 and r3 ) |
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| 16:28.09 | sadneophye | xittum, if you wanted a stable release would you use debian ????? |
| 16:28.10 | jooopyme | how can I know what debian version I'm running ? Testing, unstable ... |
| 16:28.25 | Ronin | jooopyme: you dont know? |
| 16:28.29 | Ronin | jooopyme: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:28.34 | gans20|malchik | any help on how to install svn 1.4.0 on debian? |
| 16:28.36 | Ronin | for one |
| 16:28.39 | ragedood | Hey guys I have a directory which i want to allow users to cd into and create files and view their files but i don't want people to be able to list a directory and see the other users files in their? |
| 16:28.42 | xittum | sadneophye: i only use debian..sarge, etch and sid.. they all work stable to me |
| 16:28.43 | ragedood | how would i do that |
| 16:28.55 | jooopyme | Ronin: tnx |
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| 16:29.04 | Ronin | sadneophye: debian sarge, its aka stable for a good reason |
| 16:29.13 | Ronin | id hardely call sid stable xittum |
| 16:29.16 | xittum | hh yeahh |
| 16:29.19 | Ronin | ouch bad spelling |
| 16:29.31 | sadneophye | what about etch? |
| 16:29.35 | xittum | Ronin: well.. im lucky i think :) |
| 16:30.31 | wols_ | sadneophye: dpkg -l libc6, what does it say? |
| 16:30.35 | wols_ | etch is testing |
| 16:30.49 | sadneophye | I have backported debian |
| 16:31.38 | sadneophye | wols_ it is 2.3.6 2nd patch form ubuntu... |
| 16:31.45 | tarzeau | wget can't download 2,5gb files? |
| 16:31.53 | tarzeau | wget: retr.c:292: calc_rate: Assertion `bytes >= 0' failed. |
| 16:31.53 | tarzeau | zsh: abort wget ftp://mirror.hgkz.ch/Wikipedia/wp_1_2005.iso |
| 16:32.00 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.03 | wols_ | sadneophye: you mix debian and ubuntu? |
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| 16:32.16 | roxy_ | is there any chance that swiftfox(firefox optimized for amd64 linux) will become a .deb ? |
| 16:32.18 | wols_ | then you don't run debian at all (and not ubuntu either probably) |
| 16:32.19 | pourriture | ubuntian |
| 16:32.25 | unfo | roxy_, no |
| 16:32.31 | pourriture | or debuntu |
| 16:32.45 | unfo | roxy_, try gentoo. |
| 16:32.46 | wols_ | tarzeau: it's a way to increase your upload. negative download |
| 16:32.56 | unfo | tarzeau, is it a reported bug? |
| 16:32.58 | roxy_ | unfo: :-) I am very happy with debian |
| 16:33.07 | wols_ | roxy_: imho, no chance |
| 16:33.11 | unfo | roxy_, good :) you save yourself suffering this way. |
| 16:33.12 | tarzeau | unfo: there's #354989 |
| 16:33.27 | wols_ | maybe someone making debs, but especially after the iceweasel thing unlikely officually |
| 16:33.38 | sadneophye | ubuntu has a nice X system application set called xubuntu... hey I tried debian now I know where ubuntu sucks, I use ubuntu because I can't "play" as much as I would like to to backport debian per hand... |
| 16:33.46 | tarzeau | sadneophye: nobody cares. go away |
| 16:33.51 | sadneophye | I am sad |
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| 16:33.57 | sadneophye | I am a sad neophyte... |
| 16:34.00 | unfo | tarzeau, quoting: The sarge version of wget (1.9.x) doesn't have LFS support. Use >1.10. |
| 16:34.03 | tarzeau | sadneophye: try some happyness drugs |
| 16:34.04 | wols_ | sadneophye: tell #xubuntu about it. they care. we don't |
| 16:34.18 | pourriture | I am thinking of trying open-darwin for one of my dns servers ... just cause I need an excuse to be abused in #od |
| 16:34.31 | sadneophye | wols_ I am sorry if I insulted you... |
| 16:34.31 | tarzeau | unfo: k, will try that |
| 16:34.33 | xingu | unmuntyou - because in a year or two you'll need someone to |
| 16:34.53 | wols_ | pourriture: use OSX. then we abuse you for free. and you feel stupid for paying lots of money for hardware too. double bonus! :) |
| 16:34.54 | unfo | tarzeau, then try wget -c to continue the download in resume mode :) |
| 16:35.17 | sadneophye | I wonder if C++ people dislike c# people |
| 16:35.22 | tarzeau | unfo: nah, trying lftp already, got 100mbit internet, and download is cheap, esp. on weekends |
| 16:35.22 | wols_ | sadneophye: you didn't. we're just tired of ubuntu people coming here for help |
| 16:35.27 | tarzeau | sadneophye: who cares? |
| 16:35.28 | sadneophye | or if C people dislike C++ people |
| 16:35.32 | tarzeau | sadneophye: i like objective-c |
| 16:35.38 | tarzeau | sadneophye: the latter for sure |
| 16:35.52 | unfo | tarzeau, youre charged by the megabyte? here in canada we're not. |
| 16:35.55 | pourriture | wols_: no offence ... but the open darwin guys dish out better abuse than anyone (#slackware included) |
| 16:36.01 | tarzeau | unfo: this is university network |
| 16:36.09 | unfo | ah. |
| 16:36.20 | tarzeau | unfo: no charges from where i get |
| 16:36.30 | unfo | :) |
| 16:36.36 | tarzeau | unfo: but for international peering being not universities, uploads are free, downloads cost per gigabyte |
| 16:36.37 | wols_ | pourriture: hey! we have to defend our first rank in the abuse statistics here in #debian you imbecilic good for nothing #od deserter! |
| 16:36.51 | tarzeau | traffic |
| 16:37.11 | unfo | tarzeau, odd. i wonder if it's like that in canada too. definitely not for students though. |
| 16:37.13 | sadneophye | tarzeau wols_ I didn't ask you an ubuntu question... I am sorry I use ubuntu, I just don't have the time to compile all of the programs I use... and my last sarge didn't want a new kernel.... |
| 16:37.28 | tarzeau | sadneophye: i doubt you have to with debian sid |
| 16:37.33 | sadneophye | sarge is sorta stale for some things |
| 16:37.36 | tarzeau | sadneophye: ubuntu has much less software than debian |
| 16:37.44 | roxy_ | sadneophye: stop to apologize for everything |
| 16:37.44 | tarzeau | sadneophye: stable doesn't get new software |
| 16:37.49 | pourriture | wols_: not even close :):) |
| 16:37.50 | sadneophye | tarzeau that is very tryue very very true |
| 16:37.53 | wols_ | sadneophye: you made the choice to run ubuntu. that's fine. but it also means we won't and can't support you with any linux question no matter what it's about |
| 16:38.02 | Anarka | just use sid + experimental |
| 16:38.07 | tarzeau | sadneophye: don't tell me things i know. i'm not telling fairy tales here |
| 16:38.20 | tarzeau | Anarka: and your own repository if it must be |
| 16:38.25 | unfo | Anarka, ha ha very funny |
| 16:38.34 | sadneophye | I don't understand how GNU can be so elitist |
| 16:38.39 | tarzeau | unfo: i don't see why what Anarka says is funny |
| 16:38.44 | tarzeau | sadneophye: it isn't |
| 16:38.49 | unfo | it was sarcasm. |
| 16:38.57 | Anarka | ;) |
| 16:39.04 | roxy_ | sadneophye: I don't understand how people can eat apple pie. |
| 16:39.04 | sadneophye | I think it is right to get angry at the ubuntu people... but not meeee... :( |
| 16:39.05 | tarzeau | sadneophye: try irc.debian.org #debian for the official debian channel if you don't like this place here |
| 16:39.15 | tarzeau | roxy_: i so love apple pie! |
| 16:39.16 | unfo | sadneophye, it seems you are trolling off-topic |
| 16:39.26 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 16:39.46 | tarzeau | lftp mirror.hgkz.ch:/Wikipedia> mget wp_1_2005.iso |
| 16:39.47 | tarzeau | 2752401408 bytes transferred in 302 seconds (8.70M/s) |
| 16:39.50 | tarzeau | lftp just worked.... |
| 16:39.52 | Anarka | sadneophye just dl the etch netinstaller and everyone here will be kind and sweet to you and your dog |
| 16:40.11 | wols_ | Anarka: even cat people? |
| 16:40.12 | sadneophye | ankara really! |
| 16:40.19 | tarzeau | albeit both files had the same size in bytes |
| 16:40.26 | sadneophye | etch is after sid right? |
| 16:40.32 | Anarka | wols_ well they can forget the dog :P |
| 16:40.41 | tarzeau | wols_: once upon a time there was a hero that looked like a @ |
| 16:40.46 | roxy_ | go tarzeau , go: |
| 16:41.07 | pourriture | sadneophye: ,,,, only alphabetically |
| 16:41.16 | slaq | what is the standard way to manage /etc/rc.*? i'd like some of my services to NOT start on boot, do i have to edit it manually? |
| 16:41.24 | wols_ | pourriture: you have a strange alphabet |
| 16:41.26 | tarzeau | he found himself on the ground in a dark and dangerous dungeon |
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| 16:41.38 | Anarka | that sounds scary |
| 16:41.38 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know a good 2D visualizer? |
| 16:41.44 | tarzeau | all he had was some cheap clothes, some food and a kitten pet |
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| 16:41.58 | xingu | tarzeau: a red guitar, three chords, and the truth? |
| 16:42.00 | Anarka | and a gold visa ? |
| 16:42.01 | wols_ | sounds like me. minus the pet |
| 16:42.08 | tarzeau | xingu: heh, not quite |
| 16:42.12 | roxy_ | sounds like any geek |
| 16:42.14 | tarzeau | Anarka: if he was tourist |
| 16:42.21 | tarzeau | man, go play yourself, www.nethack.org #nethack |
| 16:42.26 | tarzeau | best ever game! |
| 16:42.29 | wols_ | aw! |
| 16:42.32 | Anarka | ahah |
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| 16:42.41 | xingu | friends don't let friends do nethack |
| 16:42.45 | unfo | hard to learn though. takes 5 years to really master it. |
| 16:42.55 | pourriture | tarzeau: have you done the telnet nethack? |
| 16:43.06 | tarzeau | pourriture: www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/nethackd ? yes |
| 16:43.07 | Anarka | you can't play to much nethack, eventually you realize there's a infinite number of stairs going down |
| 16:43.19 | sadneophye | tarzeau there used to be a really pretty nethack frontend but I forgot what it was called |
| 16:43.19 | tarzeau | Anarka: it's not more than 60 |
| 16:43.23 | pourriture | http://alt.org/nethack/ |
| 16:43.27 | tarzeau | sadneophye: NetHack.app ? |
| 16:43.30 | styvy | slaq, did you try rcconf? |
| 16:43.36 | Anarka | tarzeau only 60 !? |
| 16:43.37 | tarzeau | pourriture: i don't run that, but yes it's nice |
| 16:43.45 | tarzeau | Anarka: not counting the special dungeon levels |
| 16:44.01 | tarzeau | Anarka: i want to see you enter the Valley of the Dead |
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| 16:44.07 | pourriture | I had 2 delayed flights last week .... lotsa time to charge batteries and play nethack |
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| 16:44.09 | tarzeau | or find the vibrating square |
| 16:44.31 | slaq | styvy, thx, installing |
| 16:45.22 | tarzeau | i've once had a 10gb file. try opening that with several programs |
| 16:45.24 | sadneophye | tarzeau there is a vibrating square? |
| 16:45.31 | tarzeau | sadneophye: yes |
| 16:45.39 | tarzeau | You feel a strange vibration under your feet. |
| 16:45.51 | xingu | woah |
| 16:46.21 | xingu | tarzeau: just as you typed that, the flat shook. :) |
| 16:46.39 | tarzeau | http://bugs.debian.org/338110 |
| 16:46.44 | Anarka | i havent played nethack for a while...-rw-rw---- 1 cantara cantara 68K 2002-11-24 14:28 1000canta.gz |
| 16:46.55 | Charminthemoose | arg,why must totem be so ram eating!? |
| 16:47.02 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: try mplayer |
| 16:47.07 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: because it's gnome/gkt ? |
| 16:47.13 | pelzi_ | try accidentally creating a terabyte-sized sparse file |
| 16:47.22 | pelzi_ | deleting it takes a while :P |
| 16:47.34 | tarzeau | pelzi_: just create 600000 files of zero size :) |
| 16:47.49 | tarzeau | pelzi_: http://snow.ethz.ch/dns/db.se.tar.gz |
| 16:47.53 | pelzi_ | yep |
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| 16:48.23 | Charminthemoose | will totem ever have an equalizer? |
| 16:48.25 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 16:48.27 | tarzeau | pelzi_: try the same on ntfs :) |
| 16:48.36 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: no idea, opencubicplayer has one |
| 16:48.41 | ribnitz | tarzeau: hi :) |
| 16:48.41 | pelzi_ | though deleting and creating the terabyte-sized file is an atomic operation so you can't stop it. |
| 16:49.06 | tarzeau | pelzi_: kill the process? |
| 16:49.12 | pelzi_ | won't help |
| 16:49.18 | pelzi_ | the system call has to finish |
| 16:49.23 | ribnitz | tarzeau: thats kernel level. |
| 16:49.35 | tarzeau | ribnitz: depends on the kernel i guess |
| 16:49.43 | pelzi_ | the seek blocks until the terabyte of sparse is created. |
| 16:49.45 | tarzeau | ribnitz: microkernels have it in userspace, no? |
| 16:49.50 | tarzeau | (some, at least) |
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| 16:49.55 | ribnitz | tarzeau: linux doesnt. |
| 16:50.02 | xingu | pelzi: had someone access historical data on a full blown hsm rig once, took three days to retrieve the media from archive storage |
| 16:50.04 | tarzeau | ribnitz: linux is not the center of universe |
| 16:50.08 | ribnitz | but linux isnrt really micro |
| 16:50.20 | pelzi_ | linux isn't micro at all |
| 16:50.20 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i never said it was |
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| 16:50.33 | pelzi_ | but I doubt it would be smart to kill the filesystem daemon with a micro, anyway |
| 16:51.04 | pelzi_ | just rebooting would have worked, I didn't bother. |
| 16:51.07 | ribnitz | Any ideas, since I upgraded to 2.6.18 kernel (from 2.6.16) various audfio apps (amarok, xmms,..) die with segfaults? |
| 16:51.18 | gans20|malchik | how to apply diff files? |
| 16:51.26 | ribnitz | gans20|malchik: patch |
| 16:51.30 | wols_ | !any idea |
| 16:51.31 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little thermal paste, and a dozen three-legged oxen. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 16:52.03 | pelzi_ | heh heh. |
| 16:52.45 | sadneophye | unfo xdiskusage uncovered strange hidden files... that took up half of my harddrive... thanks |
| 16:53.10 | unfo | sadneophye, which? |
| 16:53.27 | xittum | uhhh.. hehe |
| 16:54.08 | Charminthemoose | is there any good video editing software out there for editing mpeg/mpg videos? |
| 16:54.42 | xittum | cinelerra Charminthemoose |
| 16:55.07 | unfo | is that in Apt? I know Dynebolic Linux includes it on the LiveCD. |
| 16:55.14 | unfo | well, I think. |
| 16:55.36 | xittum | they used to have debs.. but not the last time i loked |
| 16:55.41 | xittum | :-( |
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| 16:56.16 | unfo | maybe www.apt-get.org does |
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| 16:57.54 | sadneophye | unfo something I requignize from suse... '/.Trash-0' strangeness. I had suse on this HD like 3 years ago... |
| 16:58.10 | unfo | all: what is Trash-0? |
| 16:58.34 | sadneophye | unfo suse uses it as a recycle-bin |
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| 16:59.01 | unfo | in KDE? |
| 16:59.12 | unfo | and does it not auto-shrink? |
| 16:59.21 | sadneophye | unfo I hope not |
| 16:59.30 | unfo | sadneophye, what linux distribution and version are you in right now? |
| 16:59.37 | sadneophye | no comment |
| 16:59.48 | sadneophye | a 'debian' backport |
| 16:59.56 | unfo | sadneophye, this channel is for debian linux support only. |
| 16:59.57 | styvy | trash-0 yep thats a directory suse always leaves behind |
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| 17:00.55 | gans20|malchik | ribnitz, how can I patch entire directory with one command?\ |
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| 17:04.11 | smhar_ | how much 'stable' or 'unstable' is testing? |
| 17:04.36 | styvy | imho quite stable |
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| 17:07.19 | fasta | How can I see what the current throughput of my NIC is? |
| 17:07.24 | Feax-Crysis | how can I format my USB HDD in FAT32 from NTFS ? |
| 17:07.48 | pelzi_ | bwm-ng |
| 17:07.56 | Feax-Crysis | for me ? |
| 17:07.59 | pelzi_ | no |
| 17:08.03 | Feax-Crysis | okay |
| 17:08.07 | pelzi_ | man mkfs, etc. |
| 17:08.22 | pelzi_ | back to work-> |
| 17:09.01 | fasta | Feax-Crysis: the fact that it currently is NTFS is irrelevant. |
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| 17:09.52 | tarzeau | HOLY SHIT |
| 17:09.59 | tarzeau | debian new queue gets processed |
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| 17:11.39 | Feax-Crysis | mkfs -t FAT32 /dev/hda1 > is it good ? |
| 17:11.59 | wols_ | fat32 if anything. or vfat |
| 17:12.13 | wols_ | fasta: iptraf among others |
| 17:12.32 | Feax-Crysis | wols_: so what need I to type for format my NTFS to FAT32 ? |
| 17:12.40 | wols_ | and why is your USB hdd /dev/hda1? |
| 17:13.02 | fasta | Feax-Crysis: you read the manual, such that you are sure nobody is giving you the command to erase the wrong disk. |
| 17:13.43 | Feax-Crysis | wols_: it is sdb1 |
| 17:14.14 | sowat | should be sda1? |
| 17:14.17 | fasta | wols_: iptraf does not list all interfaces. |
| 17:14.27 | fasta | wols_: I think that's a bug |
| 17:14.46 | wols_ | does for me. which are you missing? |
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| 17:18.01 | Feax-Crysis | where can I have an exemple of the line for add in fstab ? I don't renmeber the trigger for dpkg :S |
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| 17:20.42 | fasta | wols_: an interface called "twee" |
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| 17:21.24 | wols_ | you have funny names |
| 17:21.28 | fasta | wols_: Since udev can load the physical interfaces in multiple orders you need to have a script to really identify them (e.g. based on MAC address) |
| 17:21.54 | fasta | wols_: It's Dutch for "two" |
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| 17:22.46 | wols_ | what's wrong with "eth1"? |
| 17:22.52 | wols_ | and udev is another can o worms imho :P |
| 17:23.22 | fasta | wols_: I will clarify as you obviously don't understand |
| 17:23.28 | fasta | wols_: I have two NICs. |
| 17:23.38 | Feax-Crysis | pelzi_: ? |
| 17:23.41 | fasta | wols_: They get loaded by the kernel in an arbitrary order |
| 17:24.02 | wols_ | no |
| 17:24.21 | fasta | wols_: this makes the device containing the ethernet cable to my router named either eth1 or eth0 |
| 17:24.39 | wols_ | udev has sometimes a habit to give stupid names to interfaces tho |
| 17:25.10 | fasta | wols_: to get my connection up I need to identify which of the interfaces eth1 or eth2 is the right interface every time |
| 17:25.23 | fasta | wols_: I believe I wrote some udev rules for them |
| 17:25.30 | fasta | wols_: Now, everything works. |
| 17:25.51 | fasta | wols_: if you do it in some other way, you can tell me, but that's how it works. |
| 17:26.09 | wols_ | first module loaded is eth0 |
| 17:26.15 | simonrvn | module loading order, and some module settings |
| 17:26.21 | simonrvn | 2 ways |
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| 17:26.29 | xingu | fasta: you shouldn't need to write anything, etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules binds etherlike mac addr to ifname |
| 17:26.31 | wols_ | if you have more than one NIC of the same type like I do: first PCI slot is first, 2nd 2nd, etc |
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| 17:26.41 | fasta | xingu: how old it that rule? |
| 17:26.44 | xingu | fasta: just edit it, it's sticky |
| 17:26.51 | simonrvn | wols_: yup |
| 17:26.56 | fasta | xingu: sticky? |
| 17:27.09 | fasta | xingu: that's a file tag, right? |
| 17:27.11 | xingu | fasta: additive as new addresses are learnt |
| 17:27.11 | simonrvn | like glue |
| 17:27.29 | fasta | xingu: I am missing the context. |
| 17:27.36 | wols_ | simonrvn: don't tell me, I already know :) |
| 17:27.59 | simonrvn | wols_: :) |
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| 17:28.08 | fasta | xingu: Interesting file |
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| 17:28.16 | fasta | xingu: It didn't exist when I wrote those rules. |
| 17:28.20 | xingu | :) |
| 17:28.27 | xingu | but now you know, we'll have to kill you. |
| 17:28.36 | fasta | xingu: try me |
| 17:28.41 | jooopyme | where apache2 have its server_root files ? |
| 17:28.43 | xingu | !kill fasta |
| 17:28.53 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.55 | jooopyme | I don't find the root in apace2.conf |
| 17:29.20 | jooopyme | wols_: I'm checking tnx |
| 17:29.20 | fasta | !cookie xingu |
| 17:29.20 | wols_ | debian has it always in /var/www/ |
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| 17:29.31 | wols_ | and it's cause apache2 uses virtual sites by default in debian |
| 17:30.38 | xingu | fasta: admittedly it was a new one on me too; new workstation, new etch install, new annoyances like the onboard 1000base showing up as eth0 and the 802.11abg showing up as eth1, and a 'satiable curiousity combined with an OCD-like desire for neatness... |
| 17:31.01 | xingu | fasta: but once I tracked it through, I though now that's a damn good idea. :) |
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| 17:31.37 | bjk | what happened to DWN? |
| 17:31.43 | Feax-Crysis | I am trying to connect my USB external HDD, so I added /dev/sdb1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=1000,uid=24,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 0 0 in /etc/fstab and when I do "mount /mnt/hdd1" that say "mount: mount point /mnt/hdd1 does not exist" :s |
| 17:31.56 | fasta | xingu: it already works in sarge? |
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| 17:32.05 | xingu | fasta: that, I don't know |
| 17:32.15 | xingu | bjk: a debian week is a bit like a human year to a dog |
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| 17:32.56 | tarzeau | bjk: it died |
| 17:33.01 | tarzeau | bjk: there's times.debian.net now |
| 17:33.02 | bjk | how? why? |
| 17:33.03 | wols_ | xingu: maybe it should only talk about stable then ;( |
| 17:33.10 | tarzeau | bjk: nobody contributed |
| 17:33.22 | wols_ | bjk: too much work, too little time. and all work done by a single person |
| 17:33.44 | simonrvn | bjk: it's getting moved to monthly or such. rad the last one that was weekly |
| 17:33.48 | simonrvn | read* |
| 17:33.56 | Feax-Crysis | anyone can help me ? |
| 17:34.18 | cahoot | Feax-Crysis: mount point /mnt/hdd1 does not exist - does it? |
| 17:34.38 | Feax-Crysis | cahoot: yes look at my line added in fstab |
| 17:34.44 | xingu | Feax-Crysis: usb is sdb1 surely? |
| 17:34.45 | fasta | Feax-Crysis: It means that you need to create that directory yourself |
| 17:34.52 | wols_ | Feax-Crysis: no. exist in your filesystem. use "ls" |
| 17:35.02 | Feax-Crysis | fasta: okay which directory need I to create ? |
| 17:35.07 | fasta | Feax-Crysis: ... |
| 17:35.20 | fasta | Feax-Crysis: try to think for a second of what you are doing. |
| 17:35.21 | Feax-Crysis | mkdir /mnt/hdd1 ? |
| 17:35.27 | simonrvn | um, it should be obvious which dir |
| 17:35.31 | wols_ | !barbie Feax-Crysis |
| 17:35.35 | Feax-Crysis | lol :) |
| 17:36.11 | Feax-Crysis | that works now :) |
| 17:36.48 | Feax-Crysis | Can you renember me the command for format on FAT32 please ? |
| 17:37.02 | Feax-Crysis | mkfs :p |
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| 17:37.33 | Feax-Crysis | mkfs -t FAT32 /mnt/hdd1 > is it good ? |
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| 17:37.59 | xingu | Feax-Crysis: you need dosfstools; I'd use mkfs -t vfat myself |
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| 17:38.10 | xingu | Feax-Crysis: also if the filesystem is mounted, it already has a filesystem per term. |
| 17:38.32 | SyntaxNinja | greetings |
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| 17:38.39 | wols_ | Feax-Crysis: it is NOT right at all |
| 17:38.39 | Feax-Crysis | xingu: yes but I want to change it |
| 17:38.56 | Feax-Crysis | wols_: Ok so what can I do ? |
| 17:39.03 | wols_ | try to use that stuff between your ears for ~5 minuts |
| 17:39.15 | wols_ | thinking is not dangerous |
| 17:39.16 | SyntaxNinja | does anyone have advice about a nice tool for recording video and audio from a /dev/video0 device (and /dev/dsp) |
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| 17:39.31 | pelzi_ | I'd recommend naming interfaces like "wan", "wlan" and "lan". it becomes much easier to understand. |
| 17:39.32 | SyntaxNinja | I like the looks of kino, but it looks like it can only record from a firewire device or something |
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| 17:39.43 | wols_ | mythtv |
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| 17:39.53 | Feax-Crysis | wols_: which stuff ? I rebooted :s |
| 17:40.13 | wols_ | that thing between your ears also helps for remembering old stuff |
| 17:40.21 | pelzi_ | the linux ethn is pretty stupid... the *BSDs way is better if you have different kinds of cards, with linux you always have to find out which is which |
| 17:40.34 | Spliffster | hi, i can't remeber the command name which will turn a packge, which i build, into a deb package. |
| 17:40.55 | wols_ | Spliffster: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:41.08 | Spliffster | wols_: cheers c(_) |
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| 17:41.42 | Feax-Crysis | wols_: help please, there is no man for dosfstools... |
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| 17:42.06 | wols_ | there is one for mkfs |
| 17:42.15 | SyntaxNinja | wols_: was mythtv an answer to my question? |
| 17:42.18 | wols_ | and dosfstools is a package duh |
| 17:42.32 | wols_ | SyntaxNinja: one of many. but dunno if you want it. it'S a PVCR |
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| 17:43.07 | Feax-Crysis | wols_: I read the mkfs but you said my command is wrong |
| 17:43.22 | SyntaxNinja | wols_: doesn't look quite right. I'm looking for something to record video from my digital camera |
| 17:43.38 | wols_ | gphoto perhaps? |
| 17:43.42 | wols_ | some webcam software? |
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| 17:45.10 | fasta | pelzi_: how do the *BSD systems work? |
| 17:45.17 | Feax-Crysis | mkdosfs -n External /mnt/hdd1 > is it good now ? |
| 17:45.45 | pourriture | fasta: my wife is over in #freebsd now |
| 17:46.12 | xingu | SyntaxNinja: vlc can do some of that sort of thing these days |
| 17:46.20 | fasta | pourriture: ? |
| 17:46.40 | Feax-Crysis | wols_: mkdosfs -n External /mnt/hdd1 > is it good now ? |
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| 17:47.26 | wintix | are there amd64 cd images out there, that use a newer kernel than 2.6.8? |
| 17:47.44 | fasta | pourriture: who is your wife? |
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| 17:48.58 | Feax-Crysis | mkfs -t vfat /mnt/hdd1 > is it good ? or I need mkdosfs -n External /mnt/hdd1 ? |
| 17:49.00 | pelzi_ | bsds name them like em0, xl0. driver and sequence number |
| 17:49.35 | Feax-Crysis | pelzi_: can you help me please ? |
| 17:49.46 | pelzi_ | on the phone |
| 17:49.50 | Feax-Crysis | okay :s |
| 17:50.00 | xingu | pelzi: there's many things about bezerkely networking that look odd in unix; the fact that netdev's are neither char nor block devices, for one |
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| 17:50.27 | xingu | pelzi: for two, the fact that TCP is neither entirely userland nor kernel but the bastard child of both |
| 17:50.52 | pelzi_ | and the fact that a socket is 1 fd |
| 17:50.57 | wols_ | xingu: the alternative was ISO stack. no matter what: we're better off :) |
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| 17:51.12 | xingu | pelzi: what you call something that doesn't live in the vfs' namespace is largely neither here nor there; the linux approach lets you make some assumptions you cannot make the bsd way |
| 17:52.01 | xingu | pelzi: the thing that continually shits *me* about both is that neither retract routes attached to link-layer-ly down interfaces |
| 17:52.18 | xingu | pelzi: there's something in there to annoy everyone; life's short, learn it, love it, move on. |
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| 17:53.42 | Feax-Crysis | mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdb1 worked, how can I verify it is on fat32 now ? I mounted with fat32 in fstab |
| 17:53.52 | pelzi_ | yep |
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| 17:54.39 | Tuxico | Feax-Crysis, dmesg ;) |
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| 17:55.36 | wols_ | Feax-Crysis: mount |
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| 17:55.44 | Feax-Crysis | wols_: it is mounted |
| 17:55.54 | wols_ | I know. my answer is still right |
| 17:55.57 | wols_ | just run it |
| 17:56.28 | Feax-Crysis | wols_: /dev/sdb1 on /mnt/hdd1 type vfat (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=1000,uid=24,fmask=0333,dmask=0222) |
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| 17:57.09 | Feax-Crysis | wols_: so I can write on it now ? But when I try that say impossible to write |
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| 17:58.26 | xingu | Feax-Crysis: that would be because it's mounted ro |
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| 17:58.39 | RII | do you have to change usb filesystem to make it bootable? |
| 17:58.56 | Feax-Crysis | xingu: so I remove ro from fstab ? |
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| 17:59.14 | xingu | exactly, then remount it |
| 17:59.38 | xingu | RII: to most PC biosses, making a few assumptions here for brevity, a usb stick looks like a glorified floopy |
| 17:59.44 | Feax-Crysis | xingu: umount: /mnt/hdd1: device is busy |
| 18:00.07 | xingu | RII: treat it as you would an el torito bootable disk |
| 18:00.07 | RII | xingu: what you mean? |
| 18:00.15 | Charminthemoose | question:is it possible for me to go to runlevel 1 and then resize my partition that i'm booting linux from? |
| 18:00.21 | Charminthemoose | or am i an idiot? |
| 18:00.47 | Feax-Crysis | xingu: what it is busy ? |
| 18:01.03 | xingu | Feax-Crysis: fuser -muv /mnt/hdd1 and find out |
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| 18:01.27 | SunFish7 | charm: you can -- i just did it today |
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| 18:01.58 | Feax-Crysis | xingu: now it is refused access |
| 18:02.00 | sepski | Charminthemoose, if you can unmount the partition you can resize it |
| 18:02.05 | sepski | a live cd is handy to have |
| 18:02.06 | Charminthemoose | SunFish7: How does that work?wouldn't that completly fark my disk? |
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| 18:02.40 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: remount it read only |
| 18:02.53 | Feax-Crysis | xingu: how can I make access for the user ? |
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| 18:03.08 | xingu | Feax-Crysis: try mount -o remount,rw /mnt/hdd1 |
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| 18:03.19 | Rhizome | Charminthemoose: you mean expand it right? ;) |
| 18:03.29 | SunFish7 | im still here :) i used gparted then system-config-lvm |
| 18:03.42 | Feax-Crysis | xingu: still not working |
| 18:03.45 | Charminthemoose | Rhizome:i wish to shorten it. |
| 18:03.50 | SunFish7 | both are gui tools |
| 18:04.16 | wols_ | !tell Feax-Crysis about vfatrw |
| 18:04.18 | Rhizome | Charminthemoose: hm, dont think thats possible, unless theres some specific filesystem tool that does it? |
| 18:04.32 | SunFish7 | if ur not using lvm u can just use gparted |
| 18:04.42 | SunFish7 | u can burn a livecd |
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| 18:04.48 | xingu | Feax-Crysis: try mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdb1 /mnt/hdd1 |
| 18:05.21 | xingu | Feax-Crysis: or, alternatively, work out what it is that is keeping the mountpoint busy |
| 18:05.54 | Feax-Crysis | xingu: still acess refused |
| 18:05.56 | wols_ | xingu: probably his cwd... |
| 18:06.00 | simonrvn | lsof |
| 18:06.23 | wols_ | simonrvn: unless you prechew it for him, he won't understand what to do |
| 18:06.38 | Charminthemoose | hmm,could i go to runlevel 1 and then use parted to resize my partition? |
| 18:06.42 | simonrvn | lsof /mnt/hdd1 |
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| 18:07.03 | wols_ | simonrvn: and now explain him what he sees :) |
| 18:07.07 | garo | How should i change my timezone ? |
| 18:07.12 | simonrvn | !tell Feax-Crysis about grounding |
| 18:07.17 | wols_ | garo: tzconfig |
| 18:07.18 | simonrvn | !tell Feax-Crysis about rutebook |
| 18:07.26 | xingu | wols_: it's times like this that you think hey all this automagic media management in gnome isn't such a bad thing after all |
| 18:07.29 | simonrvn | wols_: do i have to? ;) |
| 18:07.43 | wols_ | yes. |
| 18:08.05 | garo | for some strange reason i get UTC, but i chose europe/brussels (cest) during the installation |
| 18:08.05 | wols_ | xingu: you do know the saying about the idiot proof mousetraps, right? |
| 18:08.07 | xingu | simonrvn: also don't always go for the lsof elephant gun; one day you'll point it at a network mountpoint that's gone screwey and regret it |
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| 18:08.18 | wols_ | xingu: personally I just steer such people to ubuntu |
| 18:08.21 | simonrvn | Feax-Crysis: if you see anything there, it means that whatever process is displayed is the one keeping that dir open. so you quit it, or cd / out of it, and then check again with lsof |
| 18:08.38 | xingu | wols_: they need changing from time to time otherwise your house stinks up with the smell of trapped idiots? :) |
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| 18:08.43 | simonrvn | xingu: o_O |
| 18:09.00 | simonrvn | it's called using your head and knowledge of the current system |
| 18:09.19 | wols_ | garo: that's "set clock to UTC" thingie |
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| 18:09.30 | Charminthemoose | hmm,could i go to runlevel 1 and then use parted to resize my partition? |
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| 18:09.43 | simonrvn | not trying to poopoo you, just saying that having some foreknowledge helps tonnes ;) |
| 18:09.43 | xingu | I'm entertained privately with this "access refused" in response to mount |
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| 18:09.50 | Feax-Crysis | that works now ;) |
| 18:09.50 | xingu | that's a locale I've never tripped across |
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| 18:10.27 | simonrvn | oh yeh? that's what it's spitting out? :) |
| 18:11.25 | garo | wols_: my internal clock is idd utc, but shouldn't the system change this |
| 18:11.38 | garo | when i run tzconfig i get: |
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| 18:11.47 | garo | Your current time zone is set to Europe/Brussels |
| 18:11.47 | garo | Do you want to change that? [n]: n |
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| 18:12.04 | wols_ | garo: depends if you told linux that your hardware clock is in UTC or not |
| 18:12.11 | garo | But when i run date it shows utc instead of cest |
| 18:12.33 | garo | i told the debian installer that my hardware clock is utc |
| 18:12.47 | wols_ | then you told linux it'S in local timezone when it'S in fact UTC |
| 18:12.48 | mx | somebody know some program to work whis partitions fat 32 |
| 18:12.54 | wols_ | somewhere in /etc is a file with the setting |
| 18:13.04 | wols_ | mx: it's called linux |
| 18:13.13 | mx | )) |
| 18:13.19 | wols_ | seriously |
| 18:13.23 | mx | else& |
| 18:13.30 | simonrvn | i like doing this: set system to UTC, then set my own TZ= var |
| 18:13.40 | simonrvn | for my user |
| 18:13.46 | pumpkin0 | how can i tell the acpi-subsystem to reread my batterystatus ? it fails to detect the insertion of the battery in suspend-to-RAM and so basicly i do not have a batt-meter ... |
| 18:14.04 | mx | i need to replase one |
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| 18:14.10 | wols_ | !confuse mx |
| 18:14.11 | dpkg | No, who was our pineapple tomorrow, mx? shirts of the people's republic of mongolia with extra cheese |
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| 18:14.23 | pumpkin0 | mx: ? replase ? |
| 18:14.31 | wols_ | he means replace |
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| 18:14.42 | wols_ | but on what he really wants he's surprisingly unclear |
| 18:14.54 | mx | i have 2 |
| 18:14.58 | mx | need 1 |
| 18:14.59 | simonrvn | replace one what? |
| 18:15.04 | pumpkin0 | mx, wols_: so the endgoal is ... ? resize ? |
| 18:15.17 | pumpkin0 | mx: or merge ? |
| 18:15.19 | wols_ | pumpkin0: don't ask me. ask a mindreader. he might find out |
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| 18:15.36 | wols_ | !cz |
| 18:15.36 | dpkg | [cz] Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 18:15.39 | simonrvn | then i have 16, that sit idle twiddling their thumbs |
| 18:15.42 | mx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.49 | pumpkin0 | wols_: my mindreader is on holiday ... |
| 18:15.56 | wols_ | simonrvn: I have bigger than yours |
| 18:16.11 | simonrvn | mx: you want to resize a fat32 partition? |
| 18:16.18 | mx | yes |
| 18:16.22 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 18:16.40 | pumpkin0 | mx: OK: fastest way is to backup both partitions, delete both, create a new, bigger partition and copy the backups back... |
| 18:16.42 | wols_ | mx: gparted |
| 18:17.01 | wols_ | pumpkin0: if he wanted to do that he wouldn't have asked me thinks :) |
| 18:17.06 | simonrvn | pumpkin0: isn't that the only way to di it? |
| 18:17.08 | mx | i can't it is hdd pleyar |
| 18:17.12 | simonrvn | do* |
| 18:17.16 | mx | player* |
| 18:17.30 | pumpkin0 | simonrvn: nope. But the "other" way has some risks... |
| 18:17.37 | garo | nevermind, I found my mistake |
| 18:17.45 | simonrvn | fat32 is resizable? |
| 18:17.55 | concept10 | How do I remove a package that will not install? apt-get -f install isnt working for me. |
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| 18:18.08 | wols_ | simonrvn: partition magic did it for years |
| 18:18.20 | wols_ | fat32 is simply old fat16 with bigger FATs. that's all |
| 18:18.23 | Tuxico | concept10, dpkg -r |
| 18:18.47 | wols_ | concept10: and dpkg --force-help might be needed |
| 18:18.51 | h3sp4wn | concept10: does it say its in an inconsistent state etc ? |
| 18:19.03 | pumpkin0 | mx: HDD players do not want sb fucking with their partition tables... |
| 18:19.03 | mx | it proogram brake it (partition magik) |
| 18:19.17 | pumpkin0 | mx: see ? |
| 18:19.20 | simonrvn | yeh i know. ... just didn't it was doable, or that someone might want to do that |
| 18:19.27 | mx | ok thenks |
| 18:19.45 | concept10 | h3sp4wn: the package will simply not install, I believe its a dependency problem. I just want to remove it and go on |
| 18:20.14 | concept10 | I might just have to try the --force-help |
| 18:20.19 | h3sp4wn | concept10: And why can you not remove it ? |
| 18:20.39 | pumpkin0 | concept10: and "apt-get pruge" output what ? |
| 18:20.44 | simonrvn | sorry, didn't think* |
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| 18:21.02 | concept10 | h3sp4wn: not sure. I have tried remove, -f install --purge |
| 18:21.26 | pumpkin0 | concept10: "apt-get remove packagename" ? |
| 18:21.43 | h3sp4wn | concept10: means nothing without the reason why it won't remove etc (apt always gives you it)_ |
| 18:21.46 | concept10 | pumpkin: I dont remember the output sorry, had to boot into Windows just to get network access. |
| 18:22.10 | concept10 | h3sp4wn: all I remember is a dependency problem |
| 18:22.21 | simonrvn | hmm, methinks you should fix network first .. and take notes |
| 18:25.15 | bjk | €/ll fvwm |
| 18:25.20 | concept10 | thanks, guys, I will be back. I have to figure out how to at least get the network up. I don't know what module to load. something is screwed. Note to self: don't reboot after a failed dist-upgrade |
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| 18:25.51 | blondie | !why is videolan not in testing |
| 18:25.51 | dpkg | videolan is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=videolan |
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| 18:27.58 | yassine | i tried to upgrade my dist from sarge to etch but ends up with this : http://rafb.net/paste/results/w5myZX12.html |
| 18:28.14 | yassine | any suggestions will be apreciated |
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| 18:29.54 | tuxedup | Does debian include any non-free components e.g. non-free firmware etc? I do not mean what is contained in the non-free repo |
| 18:30.04 | pumpkin0 | !tell yassine about 2006 key |
| 18:30.08 | LordBrain | not as an official part of debian |
| 18:30.23 | LordBrain | but there are nonfree things which are apt-getable |
| 18:31.49 | pumpkin0 | tuxedup: the offical repos are free of "non-free" things. In order to be able to apt-get stuff like mplayer/libdvdcss you need other repos ... |
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| 18:31.59 | yassine | pumpkin0, means i should acceppt it explicitly : gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - ? |
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| 18:33.01 | tuxedup | pumpkin0: I know about non-free packages, I was just wondering about non-free kenrle moduls etc, sop everything in the kernel installed and used suring the install is dfsg compatable? |
| 18:33.20 | RII | do you say "oldest" or "eldest"? |
| 18:33.32 | pumpkin0 | yassine: the packages for etch are signed with another key then the ones in sarge. That´s why it fails for you. And yes: that line from dpkg should help wonders. |
| 18:33.36 | LordBrain | enter that command yassine .. it tells apt to trust the keys |
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| 18:33.49 | azeem | tuxedup: there is some sourceless firmware included in the kernel |
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| 18:33.56 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 18:34.04 | yassine | LordBrain, pumpkin0 can i use this to import it : wget http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc -O - | apt-key add - |
| 18:34.05 | fs-a | hi, what do i do on windowsxp and on debian in order to have the system clock stable? |
| 18:34.24 | pelzi_ | ntp |
| 18:34.45 | george_ | can xp sync to an ntp? |
| 18:34.51 | tuxedup | azeem: would I have to recomile the kernel to remove this? |
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| 18:34.53 | pumpkin0 | yassine: copy the line 1:1 from the dpkg-factoid. |
| 18:34.54 | wols_ | george_: wrong channel |
| 18:34.55 | tarzeau | george_: yes it can |
| 18:34.58 | pelzi_ | use an application to sync |
| 18:34.59 | tarzeau | george_: try ##windows |
| 18:35.04 | azeem | tuxedup: I don't know |
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| 18:35.13 | yassine | pumpkin0, okay thanks |
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| 18:35.26 | LordBrain | debian removes things from the kernel that are nonfree i thought |
| 18:35.27 | george_ | tarzeau: so the prev comment was offtopic as well... I don't see you bothering -them- |
| 18:35.40 | pumpkin0 | fs-a: install and run ntpdate |
| 18:35.49 | fs-a | cant windows xp and debian just read a local time from hardware? |
| 18:35.51 | azeem | LordBrain: there was a vote that sourceless firmware is alright though, I think |
| 18:35.55 | azeem | see vote.debian.org |
| 18:36.08 | fs-a | pumpkin0: impossible to have local time on hardware on both? |
| 18:36.11 | azeem | the actual wording was a bit complicated |
| 18:36.12 | yassine | pumpkin0, i still get the same error do i need to delete some cache or somthing ? |
| 18:36.22 | confrey | a little help, please : I have compiled a module by module-assistant, I have installed the module's .deb, but when I search tho module with modprobe I can't find it |
| 18:36.34 | george_ | but having said that, thanks for the answer |
| 18:36.40 | tuxedup | azeem: that is what I was wondering about because I thought there was nothing like that in debian until I read about the vote |
| 18:36.46 | pelzi_ | IMO sourceless firmware is fine (how is firmware defined anyway, I'd say it is software not run on the host CPU) |
| 18:37.17 | pumpkin0 | fs-a: linux will update the hw-clock on shutdown. That will have an effect under all other systems too. |
| 18:37.17 | george_ | firmware refers to software written to rom |
| 18:37.23 | pelzi_ | nope. |
| 18:37.35 | george_ | that of course is its original definition |
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| 18:37.44 | fs-a | pumpkin0: if its set on local time, doesn't it stay the same? |
| 18:37.48 | pumpkin0 | yassine: nope ... use other mirror / make sure that mirror is OK. |
| 18:37.51 | pelzi_ | modern hardware has firmware in ram, downloaded on startup |
| 18:38.05 | george_ | so the definition has changed... |
| 18:38.08 | wols_ | george_: there hasn't been a ROM in PCs for quite some time |
| 18:38.20 | pelzi_ | flash is ROM, basically |
| 18:38.27 | pumpkin0 | fs-a: even in that case the error-correction will work. |
| 18:38.35 | pelzi_ | it's writable rom. :P |
| 18:38.36 | wols_ | no. it replaced ROM, EPROM to be exact |
| 18:38.44 | Miesco | How do I list directories sorted by size? |
| 18:38.52 | george_ | it's a kind of rom |
| 18:38.58 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 18:39.10 | pelzi_ | writning to it isn't a common operation. |
| 18:39.15 | george_ | so now we;re on the same page :) |
| 18:39.19 | pelzi_ | mostly depends on how it is used, though |
| 18:39.34 | pelzi_ | but new hardware has firmware on ram, that's a different thing since ram is volatile |
| 18:40.01 | george_ | where is it downloaded from again? the new stuff that is |
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| 18:40.16 | Miesco | Best I can come up with is: du -h | sort -n |
| 18:40.30 | wols_ | Miesco: du |sort -g |
| 18:40.41 | pelzi_ | the driver uploads a firmware tested with it, and there are no botched flashes, and the hw is cheaper without the ROM - it is basically a Good Thing. |
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| 18:41.27 | xingu | firmware is life's way of telling you that your peripheral bus is too skinny |
| 18:41.36 | george_ | pelzi_: so the firmware is typically embedded in the driver? |
| 18:41.38 | SpeedyG | dpkg (the bot) rules :D |
| 18:41.42 | tarzeau | hahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKRkP43R8pY&NR |
| 18:41.47 | pelzi_ | george_: yep, in windows anyway |
| 18:42.00 | pelzi_ | george_: it is uploaded to the device on driver loading |
| 18:42.29 | george_ | howbout under linux? |
| 18:42.29 | pelzi_ | on *nix, the driver is usually distributed separately from the firmware because of differing licenses |
| 18:42.41 | george_ | ok, that's understandable |
| 18:43.10 | george_ | so in debian sometimes they can distribute the firmware sometimes not, for the same reason? |
| 18:43.11 | Miesco | wols_: Sort of works |
| 18:43.17 | Miesco | wait |
| 18:43.21 | tuxedup | How would I go about removing the sourceless formware from the kernel (assuming I did not need it to run), would I have to recompile the kernel? |
| 18:43.21 | pelzi_ | george_: yes |
| 18:43.32 | pelzi_ | and free firmware probably will not appear. |
| 18:43.40 | Miesco | wols_: Sorry, yes it does work, I realized you just dont use -h :) |
| 18:43.55 | pelzi_ | for example wireless cards are FCC certified with the supplied firmware - modifying it would make it illegal to use the card. |
| 18:44.09 | george_ | hmmm |
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| 18:44.35 | pelzi_ | most wifi cards can be made to do illegal things even with stock firmware, though |
| 18:44.42 | george_ | gnu radio could have an effect on that |
| 18:45.08 | george_ | set power=1000watts |
| 18:45.12 | george_ | hmm, maybe :) |
| 18:45.36 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 18:45.58 | george_ | of course you could simply have an external rf amp |
| 18:46.06 | pelzi_ | to be legal to use, the device would need to be FCC certified with a well-defined version of gnu radio. |
| 18:46.13 | george_ | no driver alteration needed for that :) |
| 18:46.23 | pelzi_ | well, you can always do illegal things... |
| 18:46.32 | pumpkin0 | george_: even the normal iwconfig let´sme set powers and channels that are way too high for this country ... |
| 18:46.45 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 18:46.55 | pelzi_ | and an external antenna lets you achieve that too |
| 18:46.58 | george_ | as long as we |
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| 18:47.56 | george_ | are talking about wireless... is there a pci card, and separately a pcmcia or cardbus device that has a wapable chipset? |
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| 18:48.12 | degantyll | Hello, I've used "make-kpkg buildpackage" but I can't seem to find the generated kernel package, (it's not on the dir i entered the command); where does it store it? |
| 18:48.25 | george_ | degantyll: .. |
| 18:48.43 | george_ | and it's make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 18:48.58 | pelzi_ | wapable? like softap? |
| 18:49.10 | degantyll | george_, i did that one too |
| 18:49.31 | george_ | or prism, preferably 100mbps version?or 54? |
| 18:49.46 | george_ | softap is for specific chipsets? |
| 18:49.47 | pelzi_ | the 100mbps things are crap |
| 18:50.02 | george_ | so, 54 is fine |
| 18:50.04 | pelzi_ | but the Atheros ones support hostap as far as I know |
| 18:50.17 | pelzi_ | and they also support the 100mbps thing but don't use it |
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| 18:50.39 | george_ | degantyll: look in .. |
| 18:50.50 | george_ | find it? |
| 18:50.58 | wols_ | degantyll: one directory up |
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| 18:51.25 | degantyll | george_, wols_ , I searched the whole linux dir but didn't occured to me to look in .. |
| 18:51.35 | degantyll | thanks, first time in Debian :) |
| 18:52.01 | george_ | degantyll: try make-kpkg --targets |
| 18:52.16 | george_ | also, if you want to build initrdable packages, you can do that too |
| 18:52.37 | george_ | the initrd would then be built when the resulting .deb is installed |
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| 18:53.02 | degantyll | george_, im checking that out, quite interesant kernel building package |
| 18:53.27 | yassine | pumpkin0, the box does not have sudo command and thats why it can not acceppt the key and that explains why i still get problems |
| 18:53.39 | george_ | it's nice to be able to organize kernel image installs, say, in dirs named for their purpose |
| 18:54.07 | degantyll | george_, for a no-initrd setup I should be fine with kernel_image and kernel_headers, right? (Im gonna build some things against the kernel) |
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| 18:54.28 | degantyll | george_, indeed, on some other distros managing custom kernels it's a mess |
| 18:54.40 | dorian | ah i was just about to ask about that ;) |
| 18:54.54 | george_ | degantyll: should be fine, yes... then, it's required that you know your hardware to the point you know which drivers to build into your kernel |
| 18:55.20 | degantyll | george_, Im using a custom .config I've been using for this system (updated) |
| 18:55.23 | dorian | i'm trying to find an example of using make-kpkg and adding modules. the documentation around it is a tad thin |
| 18:55.25 | pumpkin0 | yassine: sigh ... rerun the commands as "root" |
| 18:55.39 | yassine | pumpkin0, im a root |
| 18:55.48 | george_ | if you upgrade your kernel using that config, you generally want to: |
| 18:55.54 | wols_ | degantyll: yes |
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| 18:56.03 | george_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.03 | pumpkin0 | yassine: then the command should work fine if you leave out the "sudo". |
| 18:56.06 | dorian | it says make-kpkg --added-modules foo where foo is a subdirectory under /usr/src/modules, and i did that but it doesn't seem to want to pick it up |
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| 18:56.25 | george_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.26 | nmee | Does anyone know where I can get a Ruby-1.8.4 package for sarge? |
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| 18:56.42 | george_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.54 | vin` | where's the bash man page hidden these days? |
| 18:57.05 | george_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.08 | pumpkin0 | vin`: "man bash" |
| 18:57.09 | george_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.24 | vin` | pumpkin0: nada |
| 18:57.28 | orchid | vin`: also bash-doc |
| 18:57.31 | george_ | info bash is MUCH better |
| 18:57.38 | degantyll | george_, build with make-kpkg kernel_image right? |
| 18:57.49 | george_ | well that's what I do, yes |
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| 18:57.54 | vin` | orchid: not in bash-doc either |
| 18:57.56 | degantyll | george_, I did make oldconfig to be sure, since the .config is for a newer kernel |
| 18:58.02 | george_ | actually I make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 18:58.40 | george_ | for a newer kernel? so you are -down-grading your kernel? |
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| 18:59.06 | degantyll | george_, no, im using the custom config I used for a newer kernel on another distro |
| 18:59.23 | george_ | oic |
| 18:59.52 | george_ | so on the other distro, that kernel is newer than the one you're running in debian? |
| 19:00.14 | degantyll | george_, not for much |
| 19:00.43 | george_ | well that's a good thing.. I usually start from scratch when the kernel is too much newer |
| 19:00.57 | degantyll | george_, it's 17.8 and debians 17.2 |
| 19:01.13 | degantyll | yup, better be careful |
| 19:01.21 | george_ | that's probably fine... I don't run anything near that yet |
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| 19:01.48 | degantyll | george_, what's your kernel? |
| 19:02.00 | george_ | 2.6.15 maybe? |
| 19:02.16 | degantyll | no need for update, huh? |
| 19:02.21 | george_ | 2.6.7 |
| 19:02.25 | george_ | on this box |
| 19:02.25 | gyoffi | do uname -r to find out, gentooguy |
| 19:02.29 | gyoffi | george_. |
| 19:02.38 | orchid | vin`: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=392989 |
| 19:03.06 | george_ | I never needed to update... I never needed sata for example |
| 19:03.25 | george_ | I just got a 250g drive, I made DAMN sure it was pata |
| 19:03.28 | yassine | apt-key is not available on my system and idea how i can have it installed since my aptitute and apt-get are not both broken ? |
| 19:03.45 | degantyll | george_, hahaha i know what you mean, the default install came with this kernel though |
| 19:03.47 | yassine | s/and idea/any idea/ |
| 19:03.57 | pumpkin0 | yassine: apt-key is new in etch. |
| 19:04.08 | george_ | you mean the kernel came with the default install? :) |
| 19:04.16 | degantyll | george_, yup, im on testing |
| 19:04.24 | george_ | I'm on stable |
| 19:04.33 | vin` | orchid: ah, thanks. |
| 19:04.36 | george_ | s/on // |
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| 19:05.06 | yassine | pumpkin0, is there a way to get it installed thoug since i need it to let apt-get accept the new signatures see the cmd above |
| 19:05.16 | degantyll | george_, oh, I tried stable once, I think it was Sarge 3.0 |
| 19:05.25 | pumpkin0 | yassine: apt-get install apt-key should do it. |
| 19:05.32 | degantyll | george_, about 6 months ago or something |
| 19:05.53 | yassine | pumpkin0, E: Couldn't find package apt-key |
| 19:06.10 | simonrvn | it's not a package |
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| 19:06.19 | simonrvn | !find sbin/apt-key |
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| 19:06.42 | simonrvn | sigh |
| 19:06.45 | simonrvn | @find sbin/apt-key |
| 19:06.45 | SpeedyG | e] |
| 19:06.52 | SpeedyG | hmz, that wasnt backspace :/ |
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| 19:06.59 | simonrvn | nope :) |
| 19:07.14 | loopddo | im wondering if anyone has their ati driver working 100%, 3d acceleration works great but when i log out of gdm it returns to a blank screen |
| 19:07.32 | pumpkin0 | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=apt-key&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 19:08.05 | pumpkin0 | loopddo: which driver ? the opensoucre-radeon-driver works great, the fglrx-drivers are a bit tricky. |
| 19:08.21 | zamaliphe | i used to use dobell [tab] to complite the pkg name in apt : now it dosent work :and that is only for apt ?any idea ? |
| 19:08.35 | loopddo | pumpkin, the fglrx ones the open source ones i think only support up to 9200 ? |
| 19:09.07 | pumpkin0 | loopddo: yes, since ATI is playing silly-buggers with the NDA. |
| 19:09.16 | loopddo | pumpkin0, nda ? |
| 19:09.23 | george_ | how do you play silly-buggers?? |
| 19:09.25 | simonrvn | non-dsclosure agreement |
| 19:09.29 | simonrvn | dis* |
| 19:09.30 | loopddo | oh |
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| 19:09.55 | pumpkin0 | loopddo: the drivers are working and ready to ship. But ATI has not yet signed the agreement to ship them ... |
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| 19:10.28 | loopddo | pumpkin0, what are they waiting for ?? and are those drivers waiting to ship suppose to work much better? |
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| 19:11.17 | dsl_ | how do i use the resize command in parted? |
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| 19:11.22 | george_ | I wouldn't put it past them they're in talks with m$ |
| 19:11.35 | pumpkin0 | loopddo: ATI has to agree with the shipment. The driver writer say they are faster and stable ... |
| 19:11.39 | george_ | help resize |
| 19:11.46 | loopddo | ok |
| 19:11.48 | george_ | start with that :) |
| 19:12.01 | loopddo | that means all us ati users have to wait |
| 19:12.20 | pumpkin0 | loopddo: yes. And make that "all us ex-ATI users" |
| 19:12.23 | yassine | pumpkin0, is there a way i can copy the key to trusted keys locally so i dont need to use apt-key for now ? |
| 19:12.37 | george_ | well that depends on the author too... if they can't distribute themselves either, then yes we have to wait |
| 19:12.40 | pumpkin0 | yassine: none that i know of. |
| 19:13.09 | george_ | pumpkin0: why? what do you use instead? |
| 19:13.09 | loopddo | so all these drivers we hav ebeen using were like i guess for testing |
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| 19:13.41 | george_ | and the testing worked out to the degree people reported problems |
| 19:14.06 | loopddo | i wonder if the problems were very simialr for everyone |
| 19:14.09 | george_ | if I were to report problems to them, they better know they would owe me money |
| 19:14.29 | pumpkin0 | george_: you cannot write a single line for a driver w/o having the docs from ATI (or reverse enginer, which is illegal too). And you don´t get any docs w/o signing the NDA. And the NDA says: everything has to be agree by ATI before shipping. |
| 19:14.30 | dsl_ | i still don't get it.When it says start does that mean that if i want to resize it by 2GB i put in 2000 for the start and put in 4000 for the end? |
| 19:14.44 | simonrvn | dlocate $(which apt-key) |
| 19:14.44 | simonrvn | apt: /usr/bin/apt-key |
| 19:14.54 | simonrvn | i knew it was in 'apt' |
| 19:15.05 | george_ | is the nda itself under nda? |
| 19:15.13 | pumpkin0 | george_: so far intel. It´s fast enough for all compiz things... and that´s all the 3D i "need". |
| 19:15.18 | yassine | simonrvn, i have trouble with apt-key too |
| 19:15.19 | pumpkin0 | george_: yepp |
| 19:15.19 | loopddo | so i guess im stuck with have to reboot when i want to log out, or wait for stable driver, or dont use fglrx |
| 19:15.26 | simonrvn | msg the bot |
| 19:15.37 | loopddo | i saw compiz... that looks very very cool |
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| 19:16.14 | rockzman | Do anyone know a package to install VIA Drivers |
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| 19:16.21 | simonrvn | what gave you the idea i was having prbloems with apt-key? :) |
| 19:16.38 | Gecko | Hey there. Can anyone recommend an alternative nntpd to innd? |
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| 19:17.25 | george_ | there are so many different uses for the nntpd... what is yours? |
| 19:18.03 | george_ | you looking to authenticate to a server, and get a news stream? |
| 19:18.09 | Gecko | george_: the old-fashioned one. Discussion... |
| 19:18.36 | Gecko | george_: no, we have our internal news groups here, where people discuss various problems and subjects |
| 19:18.43 | hackeron | Linux kernel/network experts, I'm trying to make my Linux server accept more than 32k connections, but the maximum ip_local_port_range seems to be 32768-6100? - Is that right? - If so, any way around it? |
| 19:19.19 | george_ | so you want a standalone server |
| 19:20.00 | Gecko | george_: yes. Actually, been running one for years based on innd, but we are migrating the news server, so I want something else than innd now |
| 19:20.02 | george_ | I'm not sure if leafnode would do it for you |
| 19:20.40 | george_ | there should be packages listed... also bdale cut inn2 off from inn |
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| 19:21.05 | george_ | I don't think leafnode can function standalone |
| 19:21.21 | Gecko | george_: no, it's a news proxy |
| 19:21.24 | pumpkin0 | hackeron: ways around it start in the kernel, so i guess #debian is not the best/right place to start looking. |
| 19:21.57 | phogg | when doing an apt-get --build source, how does it decide what compiler and options to use? Is it set somewhere in apt/preferences? |
| 19:22.26 | george_ | http://packages.debian.org/stable/news/ |
| 19:22.42 | george_ | take a look there |
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| 19:24.05 | george_ | and if you're not running stable... look here first: |
| 19:24.11 | george_ | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#view |
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| 19:26.36 | hackeron | pumpkin0: I did look in the kernel, it just says maximum is 32768-61000 which can't be true, also my C sucks, lol |
| 19:27.31 | tarzeau | abrotman, damn where is he when i find great new games |
| 19:27.38 | tarzeau | anyone can test play http://www.holdthebutton.com/ ? |
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| 19:29.01 | george_ | oh that's just stupid :) |
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| 19:29.34 | george_ | " how long can YOU continuoiusly screw up your carpal tunnel?? " |
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| 19:30.25 | george_ | or, more innocuyously, "how long can you go without controlling your computer?" |
| 19:30.47 | pumpkin0 | george_: i think it´s more: "how long can that stone sit on my mouse" .... |
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| 19:30.55 | george_ | haha |
| 19:31.42 | george_ | tarzeau: you've done much better before finding good games... |
| 19:31.48 | george_ | what happened?! :) |
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| 19:31.55 | tarzeau | george_: it was a joke :) |
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| 19:32.04 | george_ | no kidding :) |
| 19:32.41 | george_ | to its credit, it does tell you... "this game is stupid... tell your friends!" |
| 19:32.43 | basscr | which way is better when configuring the apt for the debian installation? ftp or http? |
| 19:32.52 | pelzi_ | http |
| 19:32.54 | tarzeau | basscr: doesn't matter |
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| 19:33.19 | tarzeau | with http you've got a problem that some http daemons (apache 1.x in debian) can't deliver files > 2 gb |
| 19:33.25 | george_ | basscr: either is fine... http is probably a better protocol, ftp is much older |
| 19:33.30 | tarzeau | i mean i've got debian packages of 1 gb... |
| 19:33.34 | pelzi_ | yes it does, http isn't stupidly designed and works better with firewalls |
| 19:33.37 | tarzeau | matter of time until i've got packages of 2+ gb |
| 19:33.45 | basscr | ok, thanks! |
| 19:33.50 | george_ | what package is one g?? |
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| 19:34.31 | george_ | big-random-cd-image_1:1.5.2-85875987347635.deb |
| 19:35.09 | tarzeau | george_: some binary software -rw-rw-r-- 1 sengun isg 963222050 2006-09-22 13:45 dphys-matlab-2006_7.3-1_i386.deb |
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| 19:35.24 | yel | this is where i end up now after running dist-upgrade : http://rafb.net/paste/results/B1zL7A18.html |
| 19:35.25 | pelzi_ | well, that's still the problem of the mirrors |
| 19:35.30 | pelzi_ | and are you sure ftp is any better |
| 19:35.45 | tarzeau | no, i use http myself |
| 19:35.49 | george_ | well it depends I guess |
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| 19:36.04 | george_ | ftp uses two ports, which is typically a pain |
| 19:36.11 | tarzeau | george_: ack |
| 19:36.21 | pelzi_ | and non-service ports |
| 19:37.22 | x_link | enouf, There ? |
| 19:38.12 | enouf | by george I am .. I'm surprised too |
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| 19:38.30 | x_link | enouf, : My debian doesn't work anymore. |
| 19:38.42 | x_link | That other guy that "helped" me messed it up |
| 19:38.44 | enouf | x_link: still no worky? |
| 19:38.53 | basscr | and which is the better soruce? |
| 19:39.00 | enouf | well .. don't say that .. I'm sure tehy were incere |
| 19:39.00 | basscr | ftp.debian.org? |
| 19:39.00 | odla | x_link: is your debian not working cause you're running ubuntu? |
| 19:39.04 | enouf | sincere even |
| 19:39.30 | phogg | I've got a scratched disc here. Are there any tools which will magically recover bits where cp declines to read? |
| 19:39.43 | tarzeau | phogg: sdd ? |
| 19:39.56 | x_link | I'musing ubuntu cause debian doesn't work. |
| 19:40.00 | x_link | It doesn't boot at all. |
| 19:40.05 | x_link | And I can't re-install it |
| 19:40.09 | phogg | tarzeau: I will try it, thanks. |
| 19:40.09 | odla | ok |
| 19:40.10 | tarzeau | x_link: then try #ubuntu |
| 19:40.28 | odla | anyone tried debian gnu/hurd? |
| 19:40.30 | enouf | x_link: ok .. I need you to answer some questions ..precisely |
| 19:40.35 | george_ | my debian brings all the girls to the yard... |
| 19:40.36 | x_link | brb |
| 19:40.39 | azeem | tarzeau: he's looking with help for his Debian installation, not Ubuntu |
| 19:40.44 | x_link | enouf, brb |
| 19:41.03 | tarzeau | odla: yes? |
| 19:41.08 | tarzeau | azeem: ah didn't get it |
| 19:41.10 | enouf | x_link: ok |
| 19:41.38 | odla | tarzeau: how is the wireless support? |
| 19:41.56 | azeem | odla: not as good as Linux's |
| 19:42.02 | tarzeau | odla: last time i've just read it gets some support for it, but no idea, i've never needed wireless |
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| 19:44.22 | phogg | and this gentlemen is why binary packages are superior to source packages. |
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| 19:46.12 | biz | when i start gpg, it prints "gpg: Go ahead and type your message ..." then i type it, how can i end the message? |
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| 19:46.22 | pelzi_ | ctrl+d |
| 19:46.30 | gyoffi | maybe with the EOF simbol |
| 19:46.33 | gyoffi | y |
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| 19:48.00 | biz | so how would i write a message encrypting it with key id nnn? |
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| 19:49.16 | Charminthemoose | Totem is broken on my system |
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| 19:49.47 | Charminthemoose | it complains that it can't find libgail-gnome' which is needed to make this application accessible and libatk-bridge' which is needed to make this application accessible |
| 19:50.00 | Charminthemoose | but i got these errors before and it ran grand. |
| 19:50.05 | Charminthemoose | why is it dead now? |
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| 19:51.54 | Charminthemoose | anyone? |
| 19:51.55 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 19:52.02 | phogg | Charminthemoose: does it segfault or exit cleanly? What version? Have you tried it with strace? Are there any other messages printed to the stdout when you run it? |
| 19:52.30 | Charminthemoose | it exits cleanly,just displaying those two messages |
| 19:53.11 | Charminthemoose | the version is 0.100 |
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| 19:53.54 | Charminthemoose | what would i be looking for in strace phogg? |
| 19:54.37 | phogg | Charminthemoose: anything suspicious |
| 19:54.46 | phogg | Very unhelpful, I know. |
| 19:55.23 | phogg | Charminthemoose: are you running pure sarge or a mixture? |
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| 19:56.17 | Charminthemoose | it worked just a second ago |
| 19:56.26 | Charminthemoose | before i exited X |
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| 19:59.08 | phogg | Well auth issues would have been my next guess |
| 19:59.16 | enouf | $ pstree | grep perl |
| 19:59.16 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.27 | enouf | ooops .. nm |
| 20:01.27 | odla | bub n' bros |
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| 20:03.27 | odla | tarzeau: bub n'bros? |
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| 20:04.49 | enouf | odla: pubs n pros? |
| 20:05.10 | tarzeau | odla: haha :) |
| 20:05.16 | tarzeau | odla: if you run the server, i'll join |
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| 20:05.29 | tarzeau | odla: #bub-n-bros was pretty dead |
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| 20:12.12 | proxy | hi all...some windows looks uggly (too classic or themeless)...how can i apply themes to them?...i have gtk theme switcher and it doesnt work. :( |
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| 20:13.37 | proxy | ok i have run gtk-theme-switcher for the first time from console...it throws this error: Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkentry.c: line 440 (gtk_entry_set_text): assertion `text != NULL' failed. |
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| 20:15.24 | proxy | anyone?....how can i change themes for those old themeless windows ? |
| 20:15.40 | x_link | enouf: I will message you very soon. I just have to do something quick, it's important. |
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| 20:16.13 | Livex | g |
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| 20:18.32 | PF | Are there any Debian "sarge" guru's (pertaining to the sparc32 port) around? |
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| 20:19.27 | PF | The reason I'm asking is the current netboot CD iso image doesn't detect any of the ethernet interfaces |
| 20:19.45 | Gnurdux | PF, try a testing disk |
| 20:19.47 | tarzeau | PF: which sparc do you have? |
| 20:19.51 | tarzeau | PF: try #sparc too |
| 20:19.53 | Gnurdux | testing is soon to become stable anyways |
| 20:19.54 | PF | SS20 |
| 20:20.01 | tarzeau | PF: try netboot? |
| 20:20.16 | Gnurdux | tarzeau, <PF> The reason I'm asking is the current netboot CD iso image doesn't detect any of the ethernet interfaces |
| 20:20.16 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.16 | tarzeau | i've installed mine with the previous stable |
| 20:20.21 | Gnurdux | agh whoops |
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| 20:20.32 | PF | was it release version 2 ? |
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| 20:20.41 | rxed | I can't start flux. 'startx' crashes with an error. Fatal 104 or something like that. |
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| 20:20.52 | tarzeau | PF: you could run OPENSTEP on your ss20 :) |
| 20:21.03 | tarzeau | rxed: checked BTS? |
| 20:21.27 | MissAnna | salut tous |
| 20:21.39 | rxed | tarzeau: BTS? |
| 20:21.39 | MissAnna | j'ai besoin d'un coup de pouve avec gtkpod |
| 20:21.43 | MissAnna | qqun pour m'aider ici ? |
| 20:21.51 | Skiver | hi, how can i change my locales settings ? |
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| 20:21.59 | MissAnna | I need help for gtkpod |
| 20:22.07 | Skiver | for all those LC_ |
| 20:22.20 | Tuxico | MissAnna, yea whats the problem? |
| 20:22.20 | tarzeau | !fr |
| 20:22.20 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:22.21 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 20:22.22 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:22.26 | tarzeau | !locales |
| 20:22.27 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 20:22.36 | MissAnna | I don't find the solution to synchronise music |
| 20:22.53 | Tuxico | MissAnna, ipod mounted? |
| 20:22.53 | MissAnna | i can now ear music of the ipod |
| 20:23.03 | MissAnna | Yes, he is mount |
| 20:23.09 | Tuxico | MissAnna, fat32? |
| 20:23.15 | MissAnna | yes |
| 20:23.23 | MissAnna | I use ubuntu |
| 20:23.28 | Skiver | thanks tarzeau |
| 20:23.52 | tarzeau | MissAnna: then try #ubuntu |
| 20:24.09 | MissAnna | When i test to synchronise, He tell me that the file is not disponible |
| 20:24.09 | Tuxico | MissAnna, any errors at output? |
| 20:24.28 | MissAnna | sorry : no name file disponible |
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| 20:24.56 | MissAnna | I must rename all file on the ipod, before the synchronisation ? |
| 20:25.22 | MissAnna | (there is a tittle on the ipod) |
| 20:25.43 | Tuxico | MissAnna, try this : http://gtkpod.sourceforge.net/documentation/fr/singlehtml/gtkpod.html |
| 20:25.53 | Tuxico | MissAnna, I saw you are french |
| 20:26.43 | MissAnna | Tuxico: yes, i'm french, and I don't use linux since 3 years.... I install a new PC for a friend with ubuntu this evening |
| 20:26.52 | MissAnna | Ipod is the last problem |
| 20:27.00 | Tuxico | Tuxico, so read this tutorial :) |
| 20:27.19 | Tuxico | MissAnna* |
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| 20:27.38 | MissAnna | I search during two hours to have the possibility to read m4a with mplayer ! |
| 20:27.55 | MissAnna | (my linux experience is a little old....) |
| 20:27.56 | rxed | What packages do I need to install for xorg? I have xorg and xorg-core and fluxbox is still crashing. |
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| 20:28.56 | Tuxico | MissAnna, you can convert .m4a easily |
| 20:29.04 | Tuxico | MissAnna, or just install the driver |
| 20:30.16 | Tuxico | rxed, whats kind of crash? |
| 20:30.17 | Tuxico | -s |
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| 20:30.51 | medc | hello |
| 20:30.58 | rxed | Tuxico: Fatal crash 104. |
| 20:31.05 | Tuxico | MissAnna, |
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| 20:31.11 | rxed | Tuxico: after 'startx' that's what I get. |
| 20:31.28 | black_13 | is it possible to get xorg with debian sarge |
| 20:31.28 | Tuxico | I paste you a small script in pv to read m4a with mplayer |
| 20:31.46 | medc | i got a printer hp3920(network) in a win pc and i want to install it in a debian pc, any help¡ |
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| 20:32.09 | pelzi_ | man smbprint |
| 20:32.29 | pelzi_ | printing on unix is complicated - tell us more. |
| 20:32.55 | amphi | black_13: yes - backports.org |
| 20:33.14 | black_13 | amphi what is the deb setting in sources.list? |
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| 20:33.36 | MissAnna | Tuxico: thanks for |
| 20:33.37 | amphi | black_13: see backports.org |
| 20:33.41 | MissAnna | I will test it |
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| 20:34.00 | beardy | !linuxprinting |
| 20:34.00 | dpkg | linuxprinting is, like, an excellent website detailing available printer drivers and printer support under Linux. Very useful if shopping for a printer, or just to see if there's any hope of getting your printer to work. http://www.linuxprinting.org |
| 20:34.06 | beardy | !cups |
| 20:34.06 | dpkg | hmm... cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 20:34.16 | beardy | pelzi_: ^^^ |
| 20:35.03 | pelzi_ | I actually just use lpr. |
| 20:35.18 | black_13 | amphi have you personally gotten xorg to work? |
| 20:35.25 | black_13 | also thank for the help |
| 20:35.30 | Tuxico | rxed, and when you start gdm or xdm or something? |
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| 20:35.46 | loopddo | if i download the testing dvds, do i need all of them ? |
| 20:36.08 | amphi | black_13: yes |
| 20:36.27 | beardy | !d-i loopddo |
| 20:36.28 | dpkg | loopddo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:36.36 | black_13 | would you mind pasting your sources.list to a paster |
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| 20:37.37 | loopddo | or there is 21 cds .. wow |
| 20:37.48 | Tuxico | OO |
| 20:38.17 | amphi | black_13: there is more to it than that - why can you not read the info on backports.org? |
| 20:38.18 | Tuxico | loopddo, only 1 cdrom needed |
| 20:38.39 | black_13 | oh sorry i thought that was all there was to it |
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| 20:42.23 | ftp3 | hello.. I would like to make it so that any mail sent from a server is actually relayed and sent thru our main mail server. How do I make debian send any outgoing mail to a specific server to me mailed? |
| 20:42.42 | ftp3 | i already added the servers IP to the mail server to allow relay |
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| 20:45.12 | nmee | I tried to install a .deb package (using dpkg -i file.deb) which complained about some dependencies not being met, so the package wasn't installed. However, when I now run apt-get upgrade, it complains about that package having dependencies not being met |
| 20:45.17 | nmee | How can I "clean" out the package I tried to install? |
| 20:45.30 | nmee | (it was an upgrade to a package already installed, so I can't just remove it - that'll break a bunch of dependencies) |
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| 20:46.15 | dorian | what do i need to do to generate a debian/rules file for a third party kernel module? |
| 20:46.24 | gravity | nmee: Grab the old version from packages.debian.org and dpkg -i it |
| 20:46.41 | dorian | i'm trying to build a kernel package with an hpt374 raid driver |
| 20:47.05 | dorian | i didn't realize the module source itself actually had to have debian stuff in it |
| 20:47.43 | dorian | but i can't find any documentation on what to do to actually stub out the debian stuff in the module source directory |
| 20:48.18 | dorian | isn't there a script or something that creates stub control, rules etc files? |
| 20:49.13 | nmee | gravity: that solved the problem, thanks :) |
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| 20:49.23 | nmee | not very intuitive and userfriendly, though :/ |
| 20:49.59 | gravity | nmee: You're not supposed to be using dpkg directly if you want user friendly. It's a very low level tool. |
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| 20:50.52 | nmee | I guess so... I was trying to install ruby 1.8.4, since I'm trying to install an app dependent on it (mongrel), but the dependencies are killing me :/ |
| 20:51.04 | gravity | OS's are hard |
| 20:51.09 | nmee | heh, yeah ;) |
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| 20:52.52 | salman | how to set nvidia? |
| 20:53.31 | Tuxico | salman, by setting up the driver maybe? ;) |
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| 20:53.47 | enouf | x_link: listen ..go to the Manufacturer's site of your HDD and d/l the diagnostic Utilities pkg for your Make/Model .. Write Zeros to your HDD ..this will wipe all residual data, but not harm it at all -- Run the Diagnostic check app - make sure the HDD is in Good shape |
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| 20:54.25 | ftp3 | anyone have any ideas on my question? |
| 20:54.29 | enouf | x_link: I really got to run out now .. we'll try again later perhaps ... bbl |
| 20:54.51 | x_link | enouf, : Okey I will do that. |
| 20:54.55 | x_link | Thanks ALOT !!! |
| 20:55.00 | x_link | But I tried with all 3 hdds |
| 20:55.04 | x_link | Doesn't work on any of them. |
| 20:55.18 | x_link | SO all 3 can't be messed up when they were working the day before. |
| 20:55.23 | salman | Tuxico: yah, that is how, but how is that? :-) |
| 20:55.31 | Gnurdux | x_link, your FS got fixed? |
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| 20:56.11 | medc | i got a printer hp3920(network) in a win pc and i want to install it in a debian pc, any help¡ |
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| 20:56.47 | Tuxico | salman, you have to build a kernel including the nvidia module and then reconfigure your xserver ;) |
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| 20:56.56 | sid | How can I make a dos bootdisk? |
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| 20:57.43 | beardy | sid: Take one out of your diskettebox. For what? |
| 20:57.51 | tarzeau | sid: ms-sys and some files? |
| 20:57.58 | beardy | sid: Do you have any dos machine? |
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| 20:58.12 | medc | hello |
| 20:58.13 | medc | i got a printer hp3920(network) in a win pc and i want to install it in a debian pc, any help¡ |
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| 20:59.06 | sid | beardy: I have this xbox hdd. And it has some utv technology crap, and it basically locks this drive I have. SO I can't fdisk it and make new partitions or mkfs.ext3 |
| 20:59.30 | sid | beardy: And there is this .exe program on some board, and it says to make a dos boot disk and run this, and it will wipe the drive and remove the lock on it |
| 20:59.40 | beardy | sid: If you do, 'format a: -s' then put some files on it if needed. |
| 20:59.56 | sid | I need a windows machine? |
| 20:59.59 | beardy | sid: http://bootdisk.com/ |
| 21:00.05 | beardy | sid: No, a dos machine. |
| 21:00.13 | sid | I don't have a dos machine |
| 21:00.15 | sid | or windows |
| 21:00.19 | sid | I only have debian |
| 21:00.25 | beardy | sid: win98 works, but that's crap.. |
| 21:01.15 | medc | hey guys |
| 21:01.16 | medc | i got a printer hp3920(network) in a win pc and i want to install it in a debian pc, any help¡ç |
| 21:01.25 | beardy | sid: seems that that site only contains self extracting crap.. hold on |
| 21:01.35 | jelly-home | freedos could maybe work |
| 21:01.49 | beardy | Likely that is doesn't though. |
| 21:01.52 | beardy | it |
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| 21:02.25 | beardy | sid: http://s93616405.onlinehome.us/bootdisk/622c.zip try that. |
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| 21:03.06 | sid | beardy: ok, downloading now |
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| 21:03.36 | beardy | sid: Hopefully it's an .img file, use dd to write it to a floppy. |
| 21:04.11 | sid | beardy: Then mount the fat16 file system, and dump my exe on there? |
| 21:04.12 | xjkx | hi, i am on /usr/share/locale/my_language and i'd like to know how to give softwares the proper language using that import export thing, there name of softwares with an extension ",mo" when I open that on pico it shows a lot of crazy characters, i'd like to know where do i have to open the .mo file and how am i supposed to make the software mylanguage version |
| 21:04.29 | xjkx | there are* |
| 21:04.36 | xjkx | ".mo" |
| 21:04.37 | xjkx | sry |
| 21:04.47 | sid | $ file *IMG |
| 21:04.47 | sid | 622C.IMG: DOS floppy 1440k, x86 hard disk boot sector |
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| 21:05.42 | beardy | sid: Yeah, write the img to a floppy, then mount and do what you need yes. |
| 21:06.06 | sid | beardy: How do I write it to a floppy? |
| 21:06.16 | sid | dd file.img /dev/floppy? |
| 21:07.12 | beardy | sid: man dd |
| 21:07.12 | CyL | I´ve got sarge installed on a machine with four primary partitions: a swap one, and the other three mounted on /, /var and /home, respectively. I´d like to free one of that partitions to get another distro installed. How do I migrate data from the /var partition to a directory called var in the root partition? If I use the same swap partition for both sarge and the other distro, would sarge freak out on me? |
| 21:07.13 | alpha255 | beardy, dd if=file.img of=/dev/floppy |
| 21:07.13 | medc | pelzi_, smbprint with an apt-get? |
| 21:07.13 | beardy | sid: 'dd if=file.img of=/dev/fd0u1440' |
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| 21:07.42 | beardy | alpha255: Wrong person. |
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| 21:07.59 | alpha255 | ooops sorry |
| 21:08.27 | sid | k, I just plugged in a floppy drive. I need to reboot so I'm going to detach screen and brb |
| 21:08.34 | black_13 | amphi sorry to bother you again but i am having problems |
| 21:08.40 | medc | beardy, which program can i used to install a printer in a winserver network |
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| 21:09.23 | beardy | medc: Not sure what you mean.. but use cups. |
| 21:09.42 | beardy | !setup cups |
| 21:09.51 | beardy | !cups setup |
| 21:09.51 | dpkg | i guess cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
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| 21:11.08 | Skiver | !im |
| 21:11.40 | Skiver | is there any way i can set default input method ? |
| 21:12.05 | beardy | Where? |
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| 21:13.57 | nefertum | is already iceweasel in debian? |
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| 21:16.05 | CyL | I´ve got sarge installed on a machine with four primary partitions: a swap one, and the other three mounted on /, /var and /home, respectively. I´d like to free one of that partitions to get another distro installed. How do I migrate data from the /var partition to a directory called var in the root partition? If I use the same swap partition for both sarge and the other distro, would sarge freak out on me? |
| 21:16.54 | beardy | CyL: You can use the same swap partition for the other thing too, withut problems. |
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| 21:17.49 | th0ger | sorry for the flood, i just cant help it... ;-/ |
| 21:17.50 | th0ger | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.51 | th0ger | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.51 | th0ger | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.51 | th0ger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:18.20 | beardy | CyL: Should just be to copy the data, edit /etc/fstab and go. I'd use a floppy or a livecd, least hassle. |
| 21:18.26 | CyL | beardy, thanks budy |
| 21:18.38 | pelzi_ | single works |
| 21:18.58 | beardy | Yeah. |
| 21:19.48 | CyL | beardy, okay.. so I just need to boot from a live cd copy things out and rip the entry of the var partition in fstab, right? Should cp _r do the trick? |
| 21:19.57 | sid | hmm, my floppy drive light doesn't seem to go off. there seems to be something wrong with it. I haven't even been able to find a floppy yet |
| 21:20.00 | sid | I hope this works |
| 21:20.20 | CyL | beardy, sorry, I meant cp -R |
| 21:20.29 | x_link | Gnurdux: Nope, like you said. "I might have messed up your computer" Yes, it got messed up. |
| 21:20.32 | beardy | CyL: As pelzi_ said, you can use single/runlevel 1, instead. |
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| 21:20.34 | x_link | bbl |
| 21:21.11 | CyL | But don´t syslogd keep running in runlevel 1? |
| 21:21.30 | beardy | CyL: It should.. but leave the partition until you know that everything works, in case you need to do it some other way. |
| 21:21.30 | pelzi_ | cp --preserve=all is a good idea |
| 21:21.51 | beardy | CyL: Stop it if it does. |
| 21:22.17 | rxed | how do I ask apt about compiling kernel debian way? |
| 21:22.21 | pelzi_ | it shouldn't |
| 21:22.22 | CyL | beardy, pelzi_, hanks a lot buddies... |
| 21:22.38 | beardy | !tell rxed -about kp |
| 21:22.43 | rxed | thanks |
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| 21:24.43 | black_13 | how do i get the xorg to work from the back ports |
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| 21:25.14 | black_13 | i have tried to follow the instructions from the backports page |
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| 21:25.23 | rxed | ls |
| 21:25.26 | rxed | oops. |
| 21:25.37 | concept10 | what does |
| 21:26.12 | concept10 | what does 'rc' mean when running dpkg -l (I always thought it mean not installed) |
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| 21:30.34 | AndyMcGee | Greetings |
| 21:30.44 | rxed | ehh.. what do I need to apt for xconfig? |
| 21:31.13 | cydork | !drxx rxed |
| 21:31.13 | dpkg | rxed: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:31.48 | rxed | cydork: I'm not using xfree86 |
| 21:32.00 | cydork | rxed, read it again :) |
| 21:32.03 | rxed | :) |
| 21:32.05 | AndyMcGee | Can the audio-related code in firefox be disabled by the user? |
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| 21:33.41 | rxed | do I need to crate linux link to kernel dir linux-2.6.18 to compile? |
| 21:35.40 | vin` | concept10: Removed but Config files remain. (look at the first 3 lines of dpkg -l for details) |
| 21:36.06 | cydork | rxed, what are you trying to do? |
| 21:37.18 | rxed | cydork: what I mean to say is: do I need to create a link 'linux' for linux-2.6.18.1 direcotry before I start compiling the kernel? (e.g. ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.18 /usr/src/linux) |
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| 21:39.41 | cydork | !tell rxed about kernel package |
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| 21:42.23 | black_13 | finall! got backports to work! |
| 21:43.46 | rxed | cydork: wouldn't 'make clean' clean my .config and revert to defaults .config? |
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| 21:44.46 | JordiGH | I thought make clean usually only removes object files. |
| 21:45.54 | vin` | rxed: use kernel-package instead, roll your kernel to a .deb, easy to install and remove. |
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| 21:49.00 | alpha255 | !tell object files |
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| 21:49.19 | alpha255 | !tell alpha255 about object files |
| 21:49.27 | alpha255 | !tell alpha255 about object file |
| 21:49.45 | azeem | alpha255: please /msg the bot |
| 21:49.45 | alpha255 | sorry |
| 21:49.52 | azeem | no problem |
| 21:50.06 | alpha255 | just trying to not ask easily known question |
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| 21:50.34 | vin` | alpha255: /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 21:50.44 | alpha255 | thx |
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| 21:51.44 | aalex | hi all |
| 21:52.26 | aalex | anyone has a great diagram tool to suggest ? |
| 21:52.48 | aalex | hmmm, dia ? |
| 21:52.58 | cydork | aalex, yep :) |
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| 21:54.41 | sid | beardy: I can't get any floppies to work. can I use a cdrw? |
| 21:55.57 | gravity | xfig is good too, although older looking |
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| 21:57.16 | Varange | hi there. My new Debian box only comes with PHP4, it seems, but I'd like PHP5. There is no result from apt-cache search php. I'm sure it must be possible though? Please help me |
| 21:58.05 | JordiGH | I don't think dpkg would know what an object file is. It's object code, compiled stuff, pretty much just assembly instructions, except that it still needs to be linked with other object files before it can turn into an executable. gcc -c file.cpp -o file.o will compile file.cpp into the object file file.o |
| 21:58.12 | JordiGH | for alpha255. |
| 21:58.40 | alpha255 | k |
| 21:58.47 | JordiGH | Varange: what's wrong with php5? |
| 21:58.49 | dondelelcaro | !+info php5 |
| 21:58.55 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.1.6-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 21:59.00 | dondelelcaro | Varange: see above. |
| 21:59.03 | Varange | JordiGH, nothing, there just doesn't seem to be a package for it |
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| 21:59.10 | JordiGH | I'm not sure php5 is in stable. |
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| 21:59.15 | coach | hi@all |
| 21:59.19 | JordiGH | But it should be! How old is the damn thing? |
| 21:59.20 | xjkx | on ctrl+tab on kde, it changes workspace, but it is also needed to other programs for something else, how do i disable it on kde? |
| 21:59.20 | streuner | in backports |
| 21:59.22 | JordiGH | !greet coach |
| 21:59.22 | alpha255 | JordiGH, thnx :) |
| 21:59.22 | dpkg | Salutations, coach |
| 21:59.28 | Varange | it should be yes |
| 21:59.32 | streuner | backports has a package (php5) |
| 21:59.35 | coach | does anyone here know how to install systemwide the jre? |
| 21:59.53 | beardy | !tell coach -about java-package |
| 21:59.54 | JordiGH | !java |
| 21:59.54 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 21:59.58 | Varange | dondelelcaro, so how do I install an optional package |
| 22:00.21 | dondelelcaro | Varange: that's in unstable. If you're running stable (which you probably should be) you want the packages from backports.org |
| 22:00.25 | streuner | the same you install every other package |
| 22:00.43 | Varange | dondelelcaro, ahhh, I'll have a look, brb |
| 22:00.52 | xjkx | on ctrl+tab on kde, it changes workspace, but it is also needed to other programs for something else, how do i disable it on kde? |
| 22:01.33 | JordiGH | xjkx: control centre -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts, it's at the very bottom. Assign it to something else or disable it. |
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| 22:01.44 | JordiGH | Er, no, it's at the very top, sorry. |
| 22:01.51 | xjkx | thanks |
| 22:01.57 | JordiGH | Very bottom is for changing keyboard layouts, something I often also mess with. :P |
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| 22:02.28 | tziku | hello, i already configured my network with ifconfig (i have about 800ips) now how can i save my network seting (for future restarts) in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:02.30 | rxed | I've compiled a kernel using dpkg. I added -rev to it. now I need to recompile. When I add -rev custom.2 I get an error that custom.1 is defined or something like that. Am I doing something worng here? |
| 22:02.41 | JordiGH | "Workspace". Virtual desktop, damnit! Also, KDE uses "safely remove" for unmounting USB pendrives. Stupid Windows influence! |
| 22:02.57 | streuner | tziku: just edit interfaces and save it |
| 22:03.14 | pstickne | JordiGH, would you prefer "Eject"? :) |
| 22:03.14 | tziku | to edit ? and write again all 800 ips streuner ? |
| 22:03.21 | beardy | tziku: You have 800ips, but don't know how to configure an interface? |
| 22:03.23 | streuner | tziku: ips? |
| 22:03.31 | pstickne | IPs? |
| 22:03.33 | JordiGH | pstickne: I would prefer "unmount" like everything else in Debian calls it. |
| 22:03.35 | streuner | oh |
| 22:03.35 | tziku | IPs... |
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| 22:03.47 | streuner | 800 IP's? :-) |
| 22:03.47 | tziku | IP addres (multiple) |
| 22:03.51 | pstickne | JordiGH, obviously you mean "umount", right? :) |
| 22:03.52 | tziku | yeah... |
| 22:03.52 | pelzi_ | 800 ip's... |
| 22:03.56 | pelzi_ | heck |
| 22:04.02 | JordiGH | pstickn :P |
| 22:04.05 | pelzi_ | you don't need them all |
| 22:04.25 | tziku | dosn't matter :) |
| 22:04.53 | wilcox | 800 ip's? public blocks? |
| 22:04.57 | wilcox | :P |
| 22:05.00 | tziku | yeah |
| 22:05.07 | streuner | damn |
| 22:05.15 | wilcox | ipv6? |
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| 22:05.19 | tziku | no |
| 22:05.21 | tziku | v4 |
| 22:05.26 | pelzi_ | for what does one machine need 800 ips |
| 22:05.32 | tziku | irc hosting |
| 22:05.36 | wilcox | lol |
| 22:05.37 | JordiGH | pelzi_: Because it's there? |
| 22:05.38 | wilcox | :) |
| 22:05.45 | wilcox | it's a waste of ip space |
| 22:05.55 | pelzi_ | if the user can't grep and awk them to interfaces himself... he shouldn't be given any ip's |
| 22:06.10 | rxed | I've compiled a kernel using dpkg. I added -rev to it. now I need to recompile. When I add -rev custom.2 I get an error that custom.1 is defined or something like that. Am I doing something worng here? |
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| 22:07.12 | pelzi_ | besides, 800 ip's on one box is still insane |
| 22:07.15 | dondelelcaro | rxed: you're using make-kpkg, not dpkg. You need to do a make-kpkg clean; first. |
| 22:07.23 | rxed | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 22:07.57 | tziku | MacMac:~# ifconfig |grep -c "eth0:" |
| 22:07.57 | tziku | 759 |
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| 22:08.30 | PumpkinPie | uname -r |
| 22:08.30 | PumpkinPie | 2.6.864gb-smp |
| 22:08.37 | PumpkinPie | how do I just change the name? |
| 22:08.39 | pelzi_ | and you intend to have 759 hostnames and more than 759 users on one machine? |
| 22:09.02 | tziku | dosn't matter if insane...or not..question is how can i save it for future restarts ? |
| 22:09.11 | pelzi_ | honestly |
| 22:09.11 | black_13 | when i try to instal libqt3 i get "libqt3-dev depens: xlibs-static-dev(>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but its not going to be installed how do i fix this? |
| 22:09.15 | pelzi_ | man grep, man cut |
| 22:09.28 | pelzi_ | and don't offer irc shells to people if you have to ask that |
| 22:09.38 | wilcox | who'm gave you the ip's? |
| 22:09.40 | JordiGH | PumpkinPie: Just the name? The hostname, you mean? |
| 22:09.40 | alpha255 | is adding index.htm to DirectoryIndex inthe apache2.conf file on debian sarge w2.6 kernel a bad idea? |
| 22:09.50 | tziku | my internet provider... |
| 22:09.53 | wilcox | duh.. |
| 22:09.55 | PumpkinPie | JordiGH: the kernel name |
| 22:09.59 | wilcox | which provider |
| 22:10.00 | wilcox | :) |
| 22:10.08 | PumpkinPie | 2.6.864gb-smp is not a hostname |
| 22:10.15 | tziku | from my town..... |
| 22:10.20 | wilcox | name.. |
| 22:10.24 | pelzi_ | he'll get rid of the addresses soon enough |
| 22:10.29 | tziku | fastinternet |
| 22:10.30 | JordiGH | PumpkinPie: Install a different kernel? |
| 22:10.34 | pelzi_ | "irc hosting" sounds ddos prone |
| 22:10.39 | wilcox | indeed |
| 22:10.56 | pelzi_ | and if he can't even grep and sed and awk, he's gonna have to give up |
| 22:11.00 | PumpkinPie | JordiGH: something not so obvious? |
| 22:12.02 | zamaliphe | can i find one line to install apache mysql php ? |
| 22:12.16 | alpha255 | sed's pretty cool, i've used it before to do some really helpful editing on a whole bunch of web pages |
| 22:12.19 | rxed | dondelelcaro: how do I create my own kernel-headers? |
| 22:12.40 | wilcox | because, using ip space for non needed services (like giving ip's to service users: everyone get a dedicated ip for his ftp account, so everyone can fully run a anonymous ftp on his domains, is NOT allowed by the rules of RIPE, IANA for ipv4 space |
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| 22:12.41 | wilcox | ) |
| 22:13.03 | salman | ok.. it seems I need more work (more files to manually download and install) in order to get nvidia working in my computer after I upgraded it from sarge to etch. Now, how can I atleast get X working with the standard driver till then? |
| 22:13.11 | JordiGH | !wayttd PumpkinPie |
| 22:13.12 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, PumpkinPie? |
| 22:13.27 | tziku | i don't have ftp servers or oter shi** |
| 22:13.31 | dondelelcaro | rxed: with make-kpkg kernel_headers |
| 22:13.34 | alpha255 | salman, i thought there was an update for the nvidia drivers |
| 22:13.39 | dondelelcaro | (the right options in between, of course) |
| 22:13.40 | wilcox | but you do have irc services |
| 22:13.45 | wilcox | (that's the same deal) |
| 22:13.46 | rxed | dondelelcaro: :-)) ty again. |
| 22:13.57 | alpha255 | salman, it worked for me on a fedora box a while back |
| 22:14.00 | dondelelcaro | rxed: man make-kpkg; explains all of the targets |
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| 22:14.23 | wilcox | one should try to avoid excessive usage of ip space |
| 22:14.24 | rxed | dondelelcaro: I'll read the man. |
| 22:14.31 | tziku | how about http://www.design-services.us/vhosts_ro.html or http://www.worldshells.ro/vhosts.php ? |
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| 22:14.54 | salman | alpha255: dpkg says that nvidia-graphics-drivers were removed from testing |
| 22:14.54 | zamaliphe | can i find one line to install (amp) OR apache mysql php ? ? |
| 22:15.05 | wilcox | tziku: and now in English? |
| 22:15.23 | alpha255 | salman, oh ok |
| 22:15.31 | black_13 | what is 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4? |
| 22:15.37 | salman | I just want to go into X and get to web using firefox, it is easier for me than links2 |
| 22:15.40 | alpha255 | salman, look for a script from the download from nvidia |
| 22:15.41 | tziku | chech the websites to see how many IPs have this...first have more than 2000IPs :D |
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| 22:16.01 | alpha255 | salman, i think it runs outside of .deb packages and dpkg |
| 22:16.07 | wilcox | why not use a dedicated port for each customer? |
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| 22:16.16 | wilcox | and a few ip's |
| 22:16.33 | tziku | because IRC server allow only 3 connections from 1ip. |
| 22:16.40 | wilcox | this way you can spare like 40 to 100 ip's |
| 22:16.46 | alpha255 | salman, life for accel graphic cards would be so much nicer if module was GPl'd |
| 22:16.48 | tziku | 4 connections = g-line |
| 22:16.53 | alpha255 | salman, oh well |
| 22:16.54 | wilcox | tziku: ? |
| 22:17.05 | pelzi_ | oh pathetic... |
| 22:17.10 | salman | alpha255: it is something to dream about |
| 22:17.43 | pstickne | alpha255, I think it's potential legal issues among other things. |
| 22:17.47 | wilcox | tziku: i don't follow |
| 22:17.56 | JordiGH | Correct me if I'm wrong and I'll eat a bug, but isn't "bunzip" a standard command? |
| 22:18.07 | alpha255 | pstickne, legal copyright etc... pretty sad state of affairs |
| 22:18.12 | xittum | salman: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf. enter "nv" where it says nvidia |
| 22:18.22 | wilcox | JordiGH: formal, no. informal, yes |
| 22:18.24 | wilcox | :) |
| 22:19.02 | salman | thanks xittum |
| 22:19.15 | wilcox | it's more that most distro's have it included by default |
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| 22:19.16 | wilcox | :) |
| 22:19.32 | JordiGH | Strange. dpkg leaves the coreutils source package bzipped. That's the first time I see it do that. Perhaps due to the size of the coreutils package. |
| 22:19.40 | pelzi_ | wilcox: he'll be ddossed out of his house anyway |
| 22:19.51 | wilcox | omg.. hosting @ home |
| 22:19.51 | wilcox | :P |
| 22:20.02 | wilcox | (no offence though) |
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| 22:20.56 | wilcox | JordiGH: could be |
| 22:21.00 | wilcox | :) |
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| 22:21.28 | tziku | wilcox can you give me a link with ripe rules ? |
| 22:21.33 | JordiGH | Hehehe... The uname source has to work around a bug in MacOS X. :P |
| 22:22.08 | pstickne | JordiGH, that should get a :( |
| 22:22.29 | gyoffi | byby |
| 22:22.40 | JordiGH | Nah, it's MacOS X's own damn fault for being closed source and not letting the GNU folks fix their bugs. |
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| 22:24.45 | wilcox | tziku: find them yourself in the maze of documents |
| 22:24.47 | wilcox | :) |
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| 22:24.57 | wilcox | (to much work to search them up) |
| 22:25.13 | wilcox | but it's there |
| 22:25.17 | wilcox | for sure |
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| 22:25.57 | wilcox | the reason for the rule, is the lack of future availability of ipv4 address spaces) |
| 22:26.15 | tziku | is any problem if i have all source ports and i leave only 6660-7000 for destination for all 750 ips ? |
| 22:26.17 | black_13 | amphi are you still here |
| 22:26.19 | salman | ok.. X seems working after the upgrade.. but I noticed several kernel errors during the boot, one of them talking about not finding Xprt.. what is that? |
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| 22:26.26 | tziku | if a close* |
| 22:26.33 | JordiGH | salman: X printing server? |
| 22:26.34 | pelzi_ | oh god... |
| 22:26.39 | Ronin | yes? |
| 22:27.10 | pelzi_ | if he has to ask that, he will be ddossed out of his country. |
| 22:27.21 | salman | JordiGH: ok... that is not serious, atleast not yet. |
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| 22:28.02 | marcrosoft | so every time i try to install something with apt.. I'm getting "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" it looks like I might need to reinstall apt... how can i do this? |
| 22:28.09 | wilcox | plezi_: my guess is that his provider will get a fee or something |
| 22:28.22 | wilcox | or a drawback of certain ip blocks |
| 22:28.26 | wilcox | (address space) |
| 22:28.28 | tziku | 1 year ago i have a dedicated server in chicago datacenter...and i pay for 1000IPs at datacenter :) and i don't have any problem |
| 22:28.55 | JordiGH | marcrosoft: Are you sure it's apt that is segfaulting? You don't get any other output? |
| 22:29.19 | wilcox | yeah.. but that doesn't mean, it's good |
| 22:29.22 | karabatak | hi who knows callback configuration for wvdail? who can help me? or could give me a link? |
| 22:29.38 | salman | kde3.5 looks sweet :-) |
| 22:29.45 | wilcox | i have also got several ip's on one of my servers |
| 22:30.05 | wilcox | but i gave some back, because i wasn't using it right |
| 22:30.24 | wilcox | now i only have 16 left.. and it's sufficient |
| 22:30.24 | JordiGH | Hm, are bools by default initialised to false in C? (Still trying to understand uname's source, hehehe...) |
| 22:30.33 | marcrosoft | JordiGH, yea, i found a guide that said to copy /var/lib/dpkg/status-old to /var/lib/dpkg/status .... and now it is seg faulting constantly... I forgot to backup before trying something like that |
| 22:30.33 | tziku | if you have money i cand have everything...wright ? IPs alocation is buissness (i don't know if i write correct). |
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| 22:30.49 | salman | switching to xchat.. bye for now |
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| 22:31.06 | wilcox | tziku: everything in the world is business |
| 22:31.08 | wilcox | :) |
| 22:31.18 | wilcox | so, what's your point? |
| 22:31.32 | marcrosoft | apt-get install -f |
| 22:31.36 | marcrosoft | Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:31.36 | marcrosoft | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 22:31.44 | JordiGH | marcrosoft: apt shouldn't care about what is /var/lib/dpkg. That's dpkg's business. |
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| 22:32.21 | zamaliphe | dos all my question is so hard that i get no answer ? |
| 22:32.38 | wilcox | what question? |
| 22:32.48 | tziku | my point is "if i win at lotery i will buy 10.000 IPv4's address :D |
| 22:32.49 | zamaliphe | all of them |
| 22:32.56 | marcrosoft | JordiGH, well it seg faulting constantly now.. any ideas? |
| 22:33.13 | wilcox | tziku: no. |
| 22:33.31 | alpha255 | marcrosoft, apt-get update first? |
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| 22:33.43 | zamaliphe | whay debian dosnet have xamp ? |
| 22:33.44 | tziku | i know i will won't win because i don't play at lottery :D |
| 22:33.49 | JordiGH | marcrosoft: Hm. Looks like you hosed dpkg's files. Try installing something manually with dpkg. Say, dpkg -i somefile. And yes, have you attempted an update yet? |
| 22:33.54 | marcrosoft | alpha255, tried that... |
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| 22:33.57 | wilcox | ripe won't allow this. (you need a valid reason to get extra space. Besides, there is a limit on expension each year.. i thought 1 time a year) |
| 22:34.00 | Wyzard | JordiGH: I don't think bools are default-initialized to anything |
| 22:34.09 | rosen37 | Hello , someone knows where I can find doc on the content type for https |
| 22:34.10 | alpha255 | marcrosoft, apt-get install -f **should** fix it |
| 22:34.22 | alpha255 | marcrosoft, how much space is left on the drive? |
| 22:34.27 | alpha255 | marcrosoft, df -h |
| 22:34.28 | Wyzard | rosen37: https is a network protocol, not a content type |
| 22:34.28 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Not even if they're static? It's strange, heh. This code seems to assume that they're initialised to false. |
| 22:34.31 | marcrosoft | JordiGH, im doing apt-get update again... but this didnt work before |
| 22:34.40 | rosen37 | Wyzard: ssl content type |
| 22:34.42 | marcrosoft | alpha255, 80+gigs |
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| 22:34.49 | alpha255 | marcrosoft, free? |
| 22:34.49 | Wyzard | rosen37: ssl is not a content type |
| 22:35.01 | marcrosoft | alpha yea |
| 22:35.03 | rosen37 | Wyzard: you understand me |
| 22:35.04 | karabatak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.06 | alpha255 | marcrosoft, humm |
| 22:35.06 | marcrosoft | alpha255, yes |
| 22:35.14 | Wyzard | rosen37: No, I don't... Content-Type is for file formats |
| 22:35.24 | marcrosoft | alpha255, its updating again now... |
| 22:35.28 | Wyzard | rosen37: HTML file, JPEG file, text file, etc... there's no such thing as an SSL file |
| 22:35.30 | marcrosoft | alpha255, ill see if this works |
| 22:35.34 | alpha255 | k |
| 22:35.35 | zamaliphe | whay debian dosnet have xamp ? |
| 22:35.54 | zamaliphe | whay debian dosnet have xamp ? http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html#374 |
| 22:36.14 | Wyzard | JordiGH: In practice they turn out to be initially zero because the kernel zero-fills pages of memory before giving them to a process, so the process can't see whatever was left over by whoever used that page previously |
| 22:36.29 | Wyzard | JordiGH: But that's not something that a program should rely on |
| 22:36.54 | zamaliphe | it makes installing apache php mysql very easy |
| 22:37.08 | Skiver | hello, instead of using update-alternative --something to make it system wide, is it possible to export some specific settings in local bashrc ? |
| 22:37.08 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Then I think I have found a bug. :P |
| 22:37.29 | Wyzard | zamaliphe: installing apache, mysql, and php is already very easy |
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| 22:38.15 | zamaliphe | Wyzard: check the http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html#374 |
| 22:38.31 | Wyzard | zamaliphe: What about it? |
| 22:38.59 | marcrosoft | alpha255, well that must have done something... |
| 22:39.03 | marcrosoft | alpha255, now getting |
| 22:39.07 | Wyzard | zamaliphe: apt-get install php5 mysql-server |
| 22:39.07 | marcrosoft | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 23723 package `python-gnome2-extras': |
| 22:39.08 | marcrosoft | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.08 | marcrosoft | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 22:39.10 | JordiGH | In all seriousness, though, the full effect of this bug, if that's what it is, is that ocasionally uname could not print a space. |
| 22:39.21 | Wyzard | zamaliphe: and php5 will pull in apache as a dependency |
| 22:39.41 | smhar | upgrade.. working.. now I am running etch. tomorrow I will go through the system to fine tune.. including the driver for nvidia |
| 22:39.43 | Wyzard | zamaliphe: and using packages is highly preferable over running some script that just dumps a bunch of files on your system |
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| 22:39.46 | Dwonis_ | Skiver: Sort of. You can create ~/bin, uncomment the appropriate PATH lines in ~/.bash_profile, and create a shell script or a symlink in ~/bin. |
| 22:39.54 | smhar | thanks all of you for the help |
| 22:41.09 | Dwonis | Skiver: That won't handle cases where programs specify the full path of e.g. /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator, but it'll work when programs just try to run e.g. "x-terminal-emulator" without specifying the path |
| 22:41.27 | stephans_ | ok --wierd question |
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| 22:41.46 | stephans_ | how do you force inheritance of permissiond in Linux |
| 22:41.51 | stephans_ | ????? |
| 22:41.52 | JordiGH | oKtosiTe: unrecognized option: --wierd |
| 22:42.06 | Dwonis | Skiver: Also, sometimes other environment variables are used. For example, if you want to set your text editor, you can put e.g. "export VISUAL=vim" in your .bashrc |
| 22:42.27 | oKtosiTe | JordiGH: very |
| 22:42.48 | stephans_ | Doe any on know anything about directory security in Linux |
| 22:42.49 | JordiGH | oKtosiTe: Sorry, mate. tab-completion messed up my clever joke. |
| 22:43.04 | JordiGH | !wayttd stephans_ |
| 22:43.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, stephans_? |
| 22:43.14 | Skiver | Dwonis: I'm trying to set X-input, do you know where does update-alternative find the options ?? |
| 22:43.44 | oKtosiTe | stephans: you don't, normally. |
| 22:43.50 | stephans_ | I am trying to control permissions ne matter who sftps stuff to a folder... |
| 22:43.54 | stephans_ | on a web server |
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| 22:44.17 | Dwonis | Skiver: X-input? never heard of it. "man update-alternatives" says that the configuration is in /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ |
| 22:44.20 | Wyzard | I believe you can do that with ACLs, by setting a "default ACL" on the directory |
| 22:44.29 | Wyzard | which will be inherited as the permissions of newly-created files in the directory |
| 22:44.49 | stephans_ | There is a PHP script that requires that needs www-data to be the owner of the files... |
| 22:44.52 | Skiver | Dwonis: thanks, let me try. |
| 22:45.05 | marcrosoft | alpha255, any idea? |
| 22:45.14 | Dwonis | Skiver: But you shouldn't mess with /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/. |
| 22:45.16 | stephans_ | Default acl... what tool do I use? |
| 22:45.20 | Dwonis | Skiver: Read the man page |
| 22:45.22 | rosen37 | Wyzard: what means : This protocol is a message content type that is not a change_cipher_spec, alert, handshake or app-data? |
| 22:45.41 | Wyzard | stephans: setfacl, in he "acl" package |
| 22:45.48 | marcrosoft | anyone know why im getting a dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 23723 package `python-gnome2-extras': when trying to run 'apt-get install -f' |
| 22:45.56 | Wyzard | rosen37: Where are you reading that? |
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| 22:46.03 | stephans_ | ok |
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| 22:46.12 | Skiver | Dwonis, i'll just look at it, i need to know how did it get the available options. |
| 22:46.15 | Dwonis | marcrosoft: I don't know why you're getting it, but you can fix it by running "dpkg --clear-avail" |
| 22:46.33 | Dwonis | Skiver: They were added via update-alternatives --install |
| 22:46.46 | Wyzard | stephans: You have to have your filesystem mounted with the "acl" mount option for ACLs to work |
| 22:46.58 | marcrosoft | Dwonis, wow, thanks... what does that command do? |
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| 22:47.25 | Dwonis | marcrosoft: It clears /var/lib/dpkg/available (it can be regenerated anyway) |
| 22:47.28 | stephans_ | acl option... ok, what is the default in Debian? |
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| 22:47.45 | Wyzard | stephans: It's not enabled by default... put it in the options column in /etc/fstab |
| 22:47.58 | rosen37 | Wyzard: debug connection https |
| 22:48.00 | Dwonis | marcrosoft: At some point (I don't know when), apt runs "apt-cache dumpavail" and puts the results in /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 22:48.12 | marcrosoft | Dwonis, and that file contains packages that are installed on your machine? |
| 22:48.24 | stephans_ | ok got it... |
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| 22:48.49 | Dwonis | marcrosoft: No, that's /var/lib/dpkg/status. /var/lib/dpkg/available is something that was used by dselect, and is now used by aptitude (I think). It contains a list of all packages (installed or not). |
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| 22:49.12 | Wyzard | rosen37: I don't understand what you're trying to do and I don't know details of https |
| 22:49.33 | Skiver | Dwonis: i found it at /etc/alternatives/xinput-all_ALL |
| 22:49.34 | marcrosoft | Dwonis, i see... thanks for your help |
| 22:49.38 | Wyzard | rosen37: but a file being sent over https has the same content type it would have going over regular http |
| 22:50.19 | pelzi_ | it's more an SSL problem |
| 22:50.33 | pelzi_ | maybe using http instead of https ;) |
| 22:51.19 | SubStack | $ g++ eval.cpp |
| 22:51.19 | SubStack | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../include/c++/4.1.2/cstdlib:135: error: '::system' has not been declared |
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| 22:51.33 | SubStack | but when I commented out that line in that file, it compiles |
| 22:51.35 | SubStack | very strange |
| 22:52.15 | Dwonis | !tell nlight -about away |
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| 22:53.11 | itchi | Is boa-constructor no more available in Etch? |
| 22:53.19 | Wyzard | SubStack: system() is declared in /usr/include/stdlib.h, which is included by cstdlib |
| 22:53.32 | Wyzard | SubStack: so you shouldn't be getting that error |
| 22:53.34 | PumpkinPie | is kernel-source-2.6.8/debian created only after you build the package 'debian way' ? |
| 22:53.44 | SubStack | Wyzard: that's why it's very strange |
| 22:53.48 | Wyzard | PumpkinPie: yes, make-kpkg creates it |
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| 22:54.03 | JordiGH | SubStack: I don't think that's a Debian-specific question, but at any rate, you haven't told us what that line in that file is. It's complaining about system not existing in the global namespace, the unnamed one. |
| 22:54.21 | PumpkinPie | Wyzard: I cant create a new package without all kinds of "i thought it was this version" etc etc.. errors.. can I just delete it and then create my package without worries? |
| 22:54.39 | SubStack | 135: using ::system; |
| 22:54.48 | Wyzard | PumpkinPie: make-kpkg clean |
| 22:55.06 | SubStack | (I just did an apt-get upgrade, then this started happening) |
| 22:55.21 | Wyzard | SubStack: File a bug, then |
| 22:55.26 | JordiGH | SubStack: Uh. That says to use a variable or function named "system" at the global namespace. |
| 22:55.34 | PumpkinPie | Wyzard: I just want to create the same file.. I dont want to lose any configuration ok? |
| 22:56.07 | PumpkinPie | what will make-kpkg clean do? |
| 22:56.24 | Wyzard | PumpkinPie: It'll get rid of the Debian-specific stuff, but preserve your configuration |
| 22:56.44 | Wyzard | PumpkinPie: Then you can build again |
| 22:56.53 | PumpkinPie | ok |
| 22:56.56 | PumpkinPie | dont make me kill |
| 22:56.58 | PumpkinPie | you |
| 22:57.28 | Wyzard | PumpkinPie: btw, if you're worried about losing your configuration, note that it gets put in /boot alongside the kernel when you install the resulting .deb |
| 22:57.39 | Wyzard | PumpkinPie: and it's available as /proc/config.gz if you enable that feature in the kernel config |
| 22:57.51 | pelzi_ | whoever invented that is a genius. |
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| 22:58.32 | JordiGH | SubStack: Hm. I wonder if it should be "using system;" |
| 22:58.45 | Wyzard | JordiGH: No, "using ::system" is correct |
| 22:58.54 | Wyzard | JordiGH: C headers put things in the global namespace |
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| 22:59.12 | SubStack | JordiGH: nope |
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| 22:59.44 | SubStack | at any rate, commenting it out seems to work for now |
| 22:59.53 | SubStack | probably breaks all sorts of stuff though |
| 23:00.13 | mina_linux_Tux | sorry if i'll ask such a question here , but i want to know , if i have a Wifi HotSpot , may deal with it as a server or i mean broadcast some alerts to the connected clients to this hotspot ? |
| 23:00.19 | JordiGH | Oh. Is "system" a C function? |
| 23:00.22 | itchi | boa-constructor was been there before. The package is no more available now in Etch. I have look on the Debian website, but's it's also not more there. How come it? |
| 23:00.30 | SubStack | I think that's what it's doing. |
| 23:00.48 | JordiGH | Isn't system a C function for giving commands to the shell? |
| 23:01.04 | SubStack | yes |
| 23:01.29 | JordiGH | It looks like that function isn't being properly included or defined by cstdlib, then. |
| 23:01.31 | SubStack | mina_linux_Tux: depends, but at any rate it will be messy |
| 23:01.47 | mina_linux_Tux | SubStack: what do u mean by messy |
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| 23:02.15 | argonel | after a recent round of upgrades, attempts to connect via ssh timeout. has anything changed that would cause something like this? |
| 23:02.34 | pelzi_ | try testarting sshd |
| 23:03.12 | mina_linux_Tux | SubStack: i don't think it'll be at all , i want it to be managed enough |
| 23:04.26 | SubStack | mina_linux_Tux: can software be installed on all the clients? |
| 23:04.32 | SubStack | by you |
| 23:05.06 | mina_linux_Tux | SubStack: i don't like it , |
| 23:05.17 | argonel | pelzi_: i had CheckMail in there (apparently deprecated) so i sent SIGHUP after removing that option. just restarted it - still not working |
| 23:05.26 | argonel | oddly, it works with 127.0.0.1 but not on eth1 |
| 23:05.27 | mina_linux_Tux | SubStack: i'm thinking in another thing , does wifi support message Push ? |
| 23:05.33 | JordiGH | SubStack: Curious, your /usr/include/stdlib.h, does it have a declaration like extern int system (__const char *__command); ? |
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| 23:07.02 | SubStack | extern int system (__const char *__command); |
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| 23:07.39 | mina_linux_Tux | SubStack: ?? |
| 23:07.40 | JordiGH | I guess it does, then. Strange, why wouldn't it be seen from cstdlib, then? |
| 23:07.53 | JordiGH | mina_linux_Tux: SubStack was talking to me. |
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| 23:09.05 | JordiGH | SubStack: Could you please post your cstdlib and /usr/include/stdlib.h somewhere? I'm very curious. |
| 23:09.10 | yggdrasi1 | hello folks.. ive got sort of newbie problem here. i have my linux box console only. and im trying to get an hpoj 6110 running on it. but i know nothing about how to print in linux, ive apt-get install hpoj and not getting any test pages using that utility. |
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| 23:09.21 | SubStack | JordiGH: ok, one moment |
| 23:09.47 | JordiGH | !cups |
| 23:09.48 | dpkg | cups is, like, a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 23:10.00 | yggdrasi1 | jordigh is that for me |
| 23:10.05 | cramm | Hi, I'm building a .deb with local modifications (a backport to sarge), the build of the upstream package went Ok but because of a bug in a .install file located under debian/ (the maintainer uses cdbs) the debian preparation package part aborted. Is there any way Ic an resume the package creation process from that point w/o having to wait for the C++ build? |
| 23:10.06 | JordiGH | yggdrasi1: Yes. |
| 23:10.19 | argonel | after a recent upgrade, eth0 cannot be configured due to an error, but the cable plugged into it shows up on eth2. where besides /etc/network/interfaces is eth0 configured? |
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| 23:10.53 | spiro | hi all. will etch ship with ruby installed by default (i.e. when users install by hitting Enter over and over)? |
| 23:11.10 | dondelelcaro | spiro: no |
| 23:11.18 | dondelelcaro | Unless something that gets installed by default depends upon it |
| 23:11.44 | jspiro | ok. i am planning to try to write a ncurses-mode tutorial on how to use cp, mv, ls, etc. |
| 23:11.51 | John2583 | something in my custom kernel is bad, it locks up when i start gdm. what logs would i look at to start diagnosing what is causing the lockups? |
| 23:11.58 | jspiro | I guess I should try to do it in python so that it has a chance of getting into base, right? |
| 23:12.06 | jspiro | s/base/Priority: standard |
| 23:12.09 | dondelelcaro | jspiro: that's fine; there's nothing wrong with it being a package, and depending upon ruby |
| 23:12.17 | dondelelcaro | jspiro: it definetly won't be priority standard |
| 23:12.30 | jspiro | whats the next lower priority after standard? |
| 23:12.40 | mina_linux_Tux | SubStack: i'll tell what i want to do , i want broadcast a url to every connected device to the my wifi network , is it possible |
| 23:13.14 | dondelelcaro | jspiro: it probably should be extra, because it'd only be of use to some users; that doesn't mean that one of the default tasks couldn't install it, however. |
| 23:13.39 | SubStack | mina_linux_Tux: if the clients are all connected to a central node somehow |
| 23:13.48 | jspiro | hmmm - even if it pulled in ruby it might get into one of the default tasks? |
| 23:13.52 | SubStack | or are all running a service of some kind |
| 23:13.56 | dondelelcaro | jspiro: yes |
| 23:14.09 | SubStack | JordiGH: http://modzer0.cs.uaf.edu/~substack/cstdlib http://modzer0.cs.uaf.edu/~substack/stdlib.h |
| 23:14.15 | JordiGH | Woohoo! :D |
| 23:14.17 | jspiro | ok. cool. |
| 23:14.21 | PumpkinPie | does recompiling make use of smp? |
| 23:14.40 | PumpkinPie | is it threaded |
| 23:15.06 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: it can |
| 23:15.12 | tuv | PumpkinPie, how is recompiling different than compiling? |
| 23:15.16 | mina_linux_Tux | SubStack: which type of Service you do mean , and also what do u exactly mean by one node |
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| 23:15.22 | tuv | s/than/from |
| 23:15.45 | jspiro | PumpkinPie: the point of debian is it makes it usually unnecessary to recompile anything though. :) what are you recompiling? |
| 23:16.46 | PumpkinPie | nevermind you pricks ill just look at top/htop and figure it out |
| 23:16.54 | jspiro | dondelelcaro: btw I emailed my contact at Oracle today. I suggested "what if you use a modified MIT license forbidding modification and noncommercial use" :-) |
| 23:16.58 | jspiro | i'll see how it works out. |
| 23:17.25 | jspiro | PumpkinPie: our goal was not to annoy. i apologize. |
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| 23:19.26 | PumpkinPie | dondelelcaro: what do you mean it can? |
| 23:19.30 | JordiGH | SubStack: Looks like they've messed around with cstdlib. diff reports a lot of differences between yours and mine (which is for g++ 4.0.4). Your stdlib.h and mine are identical. Let's see if we can get to the bottom of this and file a useful bug report. ;-) |
| 23:19.34 | PumpkinPie | dondelelcaro: didn't see your message |
| 23:19.38 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: it depends on your makefile and how you run make. |
| 23:19.46 | jspiro | PumpkinPie: make -j2 to make a longstory short will run two compilers at once. but it sometimes causes problems. |
| 23:19.47 | SubStack | sounds like a plan |
| 23:20.11 | PumpkinPie | so it probably doesn't |
| 23:20.33 | JordiGH | SubStack: By the way, that's the only error issued? Only :system isn't found? |
| 23:20.52 | yggdrasi1 | ok, just one basic question how can i list what printers i have installd and send a test page there. ? |
| 23:21.17 | tuv | yggdrasi1, use your browser: http://localhost:631 |
| 23:21.18 | jspiro | PumpkinPie: i dont like hassles so i don't use make's parallel mode (-j2 or such). it may waste a few seconds here/there but thats ok w/ me. |
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| 23:21.19 | JordiGH | yggradsil: With cups, on localhost:631/. Use lynx. |
| 23:21.30 | jspiro | PumpkinPie: also look into ccache for faster repeat compilation |
| 23:21.30 | SubStack | JordiGH: yep, that's the only one |
| 23:21.34 | SubStack | from line 135 |
| 23:22.06 | yggdrasi1 | tuv, its a console only box |
| 23:22.07 | yggdrasi1 | oh lynx gotcha |
| 23:22.29 | pelzi_ | -j should not cause problems on non-braindead makefiles |
| 23:23.04 | tuv | yggdrasi1, there are plenty of console browsers: lynx, links, links2, w3m ...etc |
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| 23:23.51 | kenboo | anyone using dia? where is a support package for python? |
| 23:24.03 | mina_linux_Tux | SubStack: no suggestion ? |
| 23:24.21 | SubStack | mina_linux_Tux: it really depends on what you're trying to do |
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| 23:25.34 | mina_linux_Tux | SubStack: i want to give alert or prompt to every device get connected to my wifi network , |
| 23:26.03 | argonel | in /var/log/messages i see "eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01462:7250 bound to 0000:00:08.0" but attempts to bring eth0 result in SIOCSIFADDR: No such device. what could be causing this? |
| 23:26.09 | Daveman | SubStack \o/ |
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| 23:27.14 | SubStack | :D! |
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| 23:31.13 | SubStack | mina_linux_Tux: I would probably write a daemon that sends the messages for one of the systems and have the clients establish connections to the daemon |
| 23:31.17 | SubStack | all with POE of course |
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| 23:33.14 | zamaliphe | can you check that pleases ? ==>> http://196.218.167.37/ <<== i have guest install apache ????? |
| 23:33.39 | janne__ | hi, i need to use a serial mouse with sarge |
| 23:33.49 | janne__ | it doesnt work |
| 23:33.52 | SubStack | zamaliphe: http://196.218.167.37/apache2-default/ --> "It works!" |
| 23:33.58 | janne__ | anyone knows what to do? |
| 23:34.20 | JordiGH | SubStack: Hm, I want to see if your preprocessor is including stdlib.h at all. I can't think of a clever hack to check this, though. I'd like to see if your preprocessor gets as far as line 71. |
| 23:34.28 | zamaliphe | SubStack: thanks alot |
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| 23:34.42 | SubStack | ok |
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| 23:35.35 | mina_linux_Tux | SubStack: what's the maX coverage of Wifi ? |
| 23:35.40 | SubStack | line 75 though? |
| 23:35.44 | SubStack | er, 71? |
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| 23:35.59 | JordiGH | 71, yes. Do we disagree? That's #include <stdlib.h> |
| 23:35.59 | SubStack | mina_linux_Tux: hundereds of km |
| 23:36.05 | SubStack | ah |
| 23:36.07 | mina_linux_Tux | SubStack: in meters ? |
| 23:36.16 | mina_linux_Tux | SubStack: really |
| 23:36.17 | SubStack | that's the _max_ |
| 23:36.20 | mina_linux_Tux | exactly ? |
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| 23:36.42 | wols | mina_linux_Tux: several hundred thousand m. and no, you wifi will not reach it |
| 23:37.17 | mina_linux_Tux | wols: may you please try to be more detailed |
| 23:37.19 | wols | mina_linux_Tux: your question doesn't make practical sense and no one can answer it either |
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| 23:37.38 | wols | mina_linux_Tux: the records for wifi transmissions are over several hundred kilometers, that's all |
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| 23:37.58 | SubStack | bleh, x crashed |
| 23:38.14 | devicenull` | PXE/netboot is the best idea ever :) |
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| 23:40.21 | SubStack | JordiGH: cpp test.cpp|grep 'extern int system'|wc -l prints 0 |
| 23:40.28 | SubStack | where test.cpp is just a simple hello world app |
| 23:41.05 | JordiGH | Er, cpp? |
| 23:41.19 | JordiGH | Oh, that's the preprocessor? |
| 23:41.24 | SubStack | I think so |
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| 23:42.19 | wols | yes |
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| 23:44.25 | JordiGH | SubStack: If you compile #include<cstdlib> int main(){return 0;}, do you still get the same error? |
| 23:44.45 | JordiGH | SubStack: (After uncommenting the offending line, of course.) |
| 23:44.59 | JordiGH | SubStack: (in cstdlib). |
| 23:45.14 | SubStack | one moment |
| 23:45.35 | SubStack | no errors |
| 23:45.47 | JordiGH | Hrrmmm... |
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| 23:46.05 | SubStack | I think I see what it could be though |
| 23:46.11 | JordiGH | Can I see your eval.ccp? Or is it sooper-sekrit? |
| 23:46.41 | SubStack | it just includes iostream and has an empty main block right now |
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| 23:47.06 | JordiGH | So what's your hunch? |
| 23:47.30 | SubStack | in cstdlib: #if !_GLIBCXX_HOSTED |
| 23:47.35 | JordiGH | Zao: We're debugging the problem in #debian right now. :P |
| 23:47.39 | SubStack | #else |
| 23:47.46 | SubStack | #include <stdlib.h> |
| 23:47.56 | JordiGH | Zao: We're debugging the problem in #debian right now. :P |
| 23:48.12 | JordiGH | Er, sorry. That was for someone else, obviously. :P |
| 23:49.19 | SubStack | maybe _GLIBCXX_HOSTED is set wrong? |
| 23:49.21 | SubStack | whatever that is |
| 23:50.49 | SubStack | which appears to be defined in c++config.h |
| 23:51.36 | SubStack | /* Define to 1 if a full hosted library is built, or 0 if freestanding. */ |
| 23:51.47 | JordiGH | SubStack: It's rather strange that just including cstdlib doesn't give errors. |
| 23:51.59 | JordiGH | But including cstdlib and iostream together gives the problem? |
| 23:52.34 | SeanTater | I need to install (it's not in apt) -> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=116604 <Make says It cannot find the kernel source -- how do I fix that? |
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| 23:53.01 | JordiGH | SeanTater: You sure you don't need just a kernel header package? |
| 23:53.01 | devicenull` | linux-source? |
| 23:53.03 | SubStack | #include <iostream>\n#include <cstdlib>\n gives lots of different errors |
| 23:53.13 | SubStack | I think I found out the problem though |
| 23:53.38 | SubStack | all the stdlib.h stuff is only done if _GLIBCXX_HOSTED is 0 |
| 23:54.03 | SeanTater | devicenull`: thanks |
| 23:54.03 | JordiGH | Uh, I don't think that's it. |
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| 23:54.22 | JordiGH | But maybe it is. You don't have gcc installed? That is, you can't compile C code? |
| 23:54.52 | SubStack | gcc is installed |
| 23:55.06 | SubStack | gcc version 4.1.2 20061020 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-17) |
| 23:55.28 | wols | !tell SubStack about b-e |
| 23:55.45 | wols | you actually need a bit more to compile stuff. |
| 23:55.46 | JordiGH | That thing you just changed supposedly is 0 if you don't have a full C library installed, but it looks like you do. |
| 23:55.57 | SubStack | hmmm, ok |
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| 23:56.11 | JordiGH | wols, no, that's not the issue. |
| 23:56.24 | JordiGH | stdio.h exists. |
| 23:56.35 | wols | SeanTater: have you installed kernel headers? |
| 23:56.43 | SubStack | just compiled a simple c program with no errors |
| 23:57.04 | SubStack | and set back that hosted flag to 1 |
| 23:57.14 | SeanTater | wols: yes, but they seem to be 2.6.28, even though I have linux 2.6.14 installed |
| 23:57.24 | wols | SubStack: what is the first error you get when you include your stuff? have you set your namespace`? |
| 23:57.25 | SeanTater | wols: um, not 28, 18 |
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| 23:57.36 | wols | SeanTater: then install the proper ones |
| 23:57.47 | SubStack | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../include/c++/4.1.2/cstdlib:135: error: '::system' has not been declared |
| 23:57.50 | SubStack | that is the only error |
| 23:57.51 | wols | the ones for YOUR kernel |
| 23:57.59 | JordiGH | ls |
| 23:58.06 | JordiGH | Er, wrong window. :P |
| 23:58.20 | wols | can't you use something from the exec() family? |
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| 23:58.58 | PumpkinPie | why cant I get 2.6.8-64gb to showup under uname -r? I always get 2.6.864 instead? Im using --append-to-version -64gb-smp. What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:59.15 | JordiGH | wols: That's not the issue. The point is that ::system is declared in stdlib.h, that cstdlib is including stdlib.h, and that the compiler shouldn't be complaining about not being able to find system(). |
| 23:59.27 | SeanTater | wols: linux-headers does not seem to be available for .14 |
| 23:59.38 | SeanTater | wols: only .16 and .17 |
