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| 00:00.18 | JordiGH | SubStack: If I have it right, "#include<iostream> \n #include<cstdlib> int main(){return 0;}" doesn't compile, right? |
| 00:00.39 | SeanTater | wols: assuming I need to update my kernel, what way is least likely to cause breakage? |
| 00:00.41 | SubStack | does not compile |
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| 00:01.01 | SubStack | neither does just including iostream |
| 00:01.10 | JordiGH | Eh? |
| 00:01.24 | JordiGH | Ok. So maybe we're looking in the wrong place. |
| 00:01.27 | SubStack | same error for both |
| 00:01.30 | JordiGH | What is it? |
| 00:01.31 | wols | SeanTater: apt-get |
| 00:01.48 | SubStack | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../include/c++/4.1.2/cstdlib:135: error: '::system' has not been declared |
| 00:01.53 | yassine | is there a plcae i can read more about this>>> idAU <<<< libkrb5-17-heimdal -381kB 0.6.3-10sa 0.7.2.dfsg ? |
| 00:01.53 | SeanTater | wols: :P |
| 00:02.22 | JordiGH | Wtf? |
| 00:02.33 | wols | SeanTater: you already seem to use a udev enabled etch kernel so I doubt there will be a problem |
| 00:02.45 | JordiGH | #include<iostream> shouldn't be touching cstdlib. |
| 00:03.00 | JordiGH | What's your compilation command? |
| 00:03.15 | SubStack | g++ test.cpp |
| 00:03.22 | SeanTater | wols: so just install linux-image-686 ? |
| 00:03.23 | JordiGH | ... |
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| 00:03.28 | JordiGH | That's just fucking WEIRD! |
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| 00:03.46 | SubStack | indeed |
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| 00:05.31 | JordiGH | ... How the HELL can compiling "#include <iostream> int main(){return 0;}" yield errors that have anything to do with cstdlib? |
| 00:05.31 | SeanTater | wols: gtg- see ya, thanks |
| 00:05.46 | vin` | PumpkinPie: what does grep CONFIG_LOCALVERSION .config say? |
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| 00:07.29 | PumpkinPie | CONFIG_LOCALVERSION not found |
| 00:07.56 | wols | JordiGH: how do you think C++ I/O works? |
| 00:07.57 | PumpkinPie | vin`: inside .config? |
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| 00:08.33 | wols | it's a class that sits on top of cstdlib aka puts, printf or whatever |
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| 00:09.35 | JordiGH | wols: iostream eventually #includes cstdio, but not cstdlib! |
| 00:09.45 | vin` | PumpkinPie: I guess that doesn't apply for 2.6.8, --append_to_version should work. |
| 00:10.01 | JordiGH | cstdlib is about stuff like rand() and qsort, no I/O functions. |
| 00:10.09 | wols | then possibly stdio includes stdlib? |
| 00:10.54 | JordiGH | No. The cstuffstuffstuff C++ wrappers for C headers only include the corresponding stuffstuffstuff.h C header. |
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| 00:11.44 | vulture_ | except including it in the std namespace instead of the global namespace |
| 00:11.59 | vulture_ | and iostreams aren't defined to include cstdio.. |
| 00:12.14 | vulture_ | nor is cstdio defined to include cstdlib, - nor is anyother header defined to include another header.. |
| 00:12.31 | JordiGH | vulture_: iostream includes ios which incluces cstdio. |
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| 00:12.38 | PumpkinPie | that or how do I just FAKE my kernel header? |
| 00:12.50 | vulture_ | JordiGH: where did you get that idea? |
| 00:13.02 | JordiGH | vulture_: By reading iostream. |
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| 00:13.18 | JordiGH | vulture_: Sorry, I missed a jump. iostream includes ostream includes ios includes cstdlib. |
| 00:13.20 | vulture_ | JordiGH: "defined to include". An implementation doesn't tell you much about what the spec requires |
| 00:13.34 | vulture_ | and the spec doesn't say anything about that detail, so far as I know |
| 00:13.43 | JordiGH | vulture_: Oh, I'm talking about the g++ system headers. |
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| 00:13.47 | SubStack | at any rate, this is crazy |
| 00:13.51 | JordiGH | It is. |
| 00:14.06 | dan2 | I thought this was debian |
| 00:14.12 | dan2 | did it become ##C++? |
| 00:14.15 | JordiGH | dan2: This is for the g++ in Debian. |
| 00:14.23 | JordiGH | SubStack: version of g++? |
| 00:14.24 | vulture_ | I just assumed I was in ##C++ ;) |
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| 00:14.38 | SubStack | gcc version 4.1.2 20061020 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-17) |
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| 00:14.58 | JordiGH | SubStack: I give up. You go bitch at the g++ maintainers. |
| 00:15.08 | SubStack | ok |
| 00:15.17 | vulture_ | what was the issue? |
| 00:15.19 | SubStack | I'll try to reinstall everything first though |
| 00:15.29 | SubStack | vulture_: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../include/c++/4.1.2/cstdlib:135: error: '::system' has not been declared |
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| 00:16.09 | JordiGH | vulture_: He gets that when he compiles "#include <iostream> \n int main(){return 0;}". |
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| 00:17.06 | vulture_ | SubStack: what was the exact compilation command? (but yeah - sounds like a broken package somewhere along the line) |
| 00:17.23 | SubStack | g++ test.cpp |
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| 00:24.43 | sandman | Could somebody tell me how to find out what package owns xorg.conf? |
| 00:24.54 | chemaja | sandman: `rpm -qf filename' |
| 00:24.58 | dondelelcaro | sandman: xserver-xorg |
| 00:25.04 | chemaja | oh crap |
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| 00:26.10 | yassine | when i try to set syntax on in vim i get this error : http://rafb.net/paste/results/OFUhfk48.html any idea what to do please ? |
| 00:26.11 | sandman | dondelelcaro: dpkg -L xserver-xorg displays that the package only owns files in /usr/share/doc |
| 00:26.47 | dondelelcaro | sandman: xorg.conf isn't a conffile, but it's a configuration file owned by xserver-xorg. |
| 00:27.09 | dondelelcaro | sandman: not all configuration files that are generated by packages show up in the dpkg -L output; only configuration files that are also conffiles do. |
| 00:27.26 | JordiGH | sandman: dpkg -S file |
| 00:27.36 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: that won't help in this case |
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| 00:28.12 | JordiGH | Oh, right. xorg.conf |
| 00:28.18 | sandman | Why is it that when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it never actually saves the changes? |
| 00:28.29 | sandman | I figure md5sums aren't being matched somewhere, but I don't know how to fix |
| 00:28.39 | dondelelcaro | !xmd5 |
| 00:28.39 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg> |
| 00:28.56 | dondelelcaro | sandman: in the future, it's best to ask your real question |
| 00:29.18 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Of course. Sorry. |
| 00:29.40 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: It's sometimes hard to know what one's real question is. ;-) |
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| 00:33.05 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Okay, I ran the configurator again, however this time it told me it won't change /etc/X11/X as it has been modified. |
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| 00:34.09 | sandman | dondelelcaro: I'll just try the same solution. I only asked this time as it's a binary file, not a text. |
| 00:34.14 | sandman | Suppose it shouldn't make a difference. |
| 00:34.49 | yassine | i get a warning message that my packages are from an unstrusted source even that i have them straight from debian mirrors any idea what i could be making wrong ? |
| 00:35.14 | abrotman | did you put the key in place ? |
| 00:35.17 | sandman | Hm. Same error. |
| 00:35.22 | Azar | dondelecaro, could you tell me what is wrong with my aptitude for the past 30 days? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4155 thank you |
| 00:36.07 | yassine | abrotman, which key and where ? |
| 00:36.22 | yassine | abrotman, i only runs this : gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 00:36.24 | abrotman | you telll me which key .. |
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| 00:36.39 | abrotman | !apt-key 2D230C5F |
| 00:36.39 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 2D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | then run apt-get update again |
| 00:36.58 | yassine | oaky thanks |
| 00:37.34 | odla` | is apt-listbugs currently broken? |
| 00:37.59 | odla` | Retrieving bug reports... 0% W: unsupported proxy `false' <- i keep getting that and it tells me it fails to download bug reports |
| 00:38.14 | yassine | abrotman, thanks again it works |
| 00:39.45 | sandman | Okay, now I don't get any error messages, but it still doesn't write. |
| 00:41.04 | dondelelcaro | Azar: for whichever of those packages you actually want to keep, you need to do aptitude unmarkauto foopkgname; |
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| 00:41.28 | dondelelcaro | Azar: because they were dependencies of other packages which are no longer installed, they've been removed. |
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| 00:41.35 | sandman | Hm. I removed the files altogether, and dpkg-reconfigure still won't create one. |
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| 00:42.32 | Azar | dondelecaro, thanks could this happen due to the last upgrade as shown here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4156 ? |
| 00:42.53 | dondelelcaro | sandman: which version of xserver-xorg are you using? |
| 00:43.14 | dondelelcaro | Azar: unlikely |
| 00:43.22 | dondelelcaro | Azar: most likely you removed something at some point... |
| 00:43.27 | sandman | 7.0.22 |
| 00:43.38 | Azar | dondelelcaro: correct: xdm only |
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| 00:43.59 | sandman | It also appears to be unable to load GLX extensions, even though the Load directive is in the configuration, as well as nvidia-glx being installed (along with nvidia-kernel being compiled and loaded in) |
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| 00:44.24 | dondelelcaro | sandman: try dpkg-reconfigure xseerver-xorg-core; then |
| 00:44.39 | MatBoy | Is there already a alternative for FireFox ? |
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| 00:44.47 | sandman | Okay, nothing happened. |
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| 00:45.35 | abrotman | MatBoy: epiphany ? |
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| 00:45.55 | MatBoy | abrotman, but it's already the "full replacement" for it ? |
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| 00:46.12 | abrotman | "full replacement"? |
| 00:47.20 | MatBoy | abrotman, when Mozilla made the announcement I thought the Debian Community was looking for a replacement for shipping with Debian |
| 00:47.35 | abrotman | and ? |
| 00:47.38 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 00:47.38 | dpkg | i heard iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 00:48.11 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: iceweasel =~ s/due/<reply> Due/ |
| 00:48.12 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 00:48.40 | MatBoy | ah nice thanks ! so Iceweasel is the proud package :) |
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| 00:49.08 | abrotman | did you actually read any of the news related to the issue ? |
| 00:49.09 | denmaeth | 3ddesk how do i bind keys to /usr/bin/3ddesk / i tryed the directions and it didnt work |
| 00:49.30 | MatBoy | abrotman, yep, you perosnally posted me a link to the mailinglist |
| 00:49.38 | MatBoy | *personally |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | then you should have already known what the name was |
| 00:50.08 | abrotman | s/was/is/ |
| 00:50.12 | MatBoy | abrotman, I thought it's was not decided yet... it was a candidate back than |
| 00:50.30 | argonel | in /var/log/messages i see "eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01462:7250 bound to 0000:00:08.0" but attempts to bring eth0 up result in SIOCSIFADDR: No such device. what could be causing this? |
| 00:51.06 | dondelelcaro | argonel: run ifconfig -a; and make sure it's still called eth0. |
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| 00:52.15 | argonel | dondelelcaro: no sign of eth0 in there at all |
| 00:52.59 | abrotman | hard to give an IP to a device that doesn't exist |
| 00:53.06 | argonel | why dpesm |
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| 00:53.13 | yassine | any idea where the command less belong to ? |
| 00:53.15 | argonel | (stupid keyboard) |
| 00:53.21 | abrotman | !tell yassine about search |
| 00:53.25 | argonel | why shouldn't there be an eth0? |
| 00:53.35 | dondelelcaro | argonel: because there isn't one? |
| 00:54.05 | argonel | true enough |
| 00:54.25 | argonel | why would there be eth1 and no eth0? |
| 00:54.39 | dondelelcaro | argonel: because eth0 got renamed to eth1 by something like udev |
| 00:55.04 | dondelelcaro | udev tries to keep the names of interfaces constant |
| 00:55.30 | argonel | so how can i stop it from doing that and let eth1 be eth0 again? |
| 00:55.35 | Azar | dondelecaro here is what I did to get at that nasty aptitude upgrade result: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4182 any other fix besides the one you recommended? go with aptitude remove all those packages and reinstall them? |
| 00:56.37 | dondelelcaro | Azar: no; those packages are going to be removed because you removed xdm; xdm is what was depending upon them |
| 00:57.14 | Azar | dondelelcaro: thank you so much :) |
| 00:57.23 | dondelelcaro | Azar: all you have to do is use aptitude unmarkauto; to mark them as manually installed. |
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| 00:57.34 | Azar | cool, thanks |
| 00:57.39 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 00:57.45 | jsumners | how do i list all held packages? |
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| 00:59.35 | jelly-home | jsumners: dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$' |
| 00:59.58 | jsumners | thanks |
| 01:00.11 | JHanson | is there a way to find older versions of packages? |
| 01:00.29 | sussudio | !snapshot |
| 01:00.30 | dpkg | somebody said debian snapshot was http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 01:02.19 | argonel | dondelelcaro: thanks for cluing me in, i think i'm on the trail of it now |
| 01:02.23 | JHanson | thanks |
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| 01:02.47 | jelly-home | hmm, aptitude hold/unhold doesn't show in dpkg --get-selections |
| 01:03.04 | minerale | I have a couple-line script I use to authenticate into my wpa wifi -- what is the file I need to put this in so it runs automatically at boot time .. /etc/?something? - default ? |
| 01:03.39 | abrotman | you can use a pre-up with your interfaces file |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 01:07.56 | karsten | What's a good listing of proprietary video codecs / formats. I'm coming up with Quicktime, RealPlayer, Flash, WMV, and a number of non-proprietary (largely mpeg4) versions. Others? |
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| 01:08.05 | amphi | cafuego klined? |
| 01:08.20 | karsten | amphi: ?? |
| 01:08.36 | amphi | !- cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.191.160] has quit [K-lined] |
| 01:08.43 | karsten | Woah. |
| 01:09.09 | karsten | Is he in AU? |
| 01:09.11 | abrotman | blame canada |
| 01:09.22 | dondelelcaro | argonel: if you haven't found it yet, you're looking for z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 01:09.23 | abrotman | karsten: yes .. i believe he is |
| 01:09.30 | dondelelcaro | argonel: in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 01:09.46 | argonel | dondelelcaro: yep, found it. trying to decide if i should edit it, or do something else |
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| 01:10.08 | dondelelcaro | argonel: yeah, just edit it if you want |
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| 01:12.18 | argonel | dondelelcaro: whats odd is that eth1 works, and is enumerated in that file with two different devices |
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| 01:14.55 | dondelelcaro | argonel: well, you can change the right device to eth0, and then it will be eth0... you could alternatively do what I do, and have interfaces called "wired" and "wireles"... |
| 01:15.30 | dondelelcaro | KERNEL=="eth*", SYSFS{address}=="00:14:51:12:cc:ec", NAME="wired" <--- FE. |
| 01:15.48 | odla | To change defaults: |
| 01:15.48 | odla | update-alternatives --all |
| 01:15.49 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.49 | odla | ----- |
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| 01:15.51 | unixslut | wtf? |
| 01:16.05 | minerale | ooh ooh, a woman |
| 01:16.20 | minerale | unless you are a male unixslut |
| 01:16.21 | wols | minerale: pics or shens |
| 01:16.33 | wols | minerale: ask blondie about gender :) |
| 01:16.34 | argonel | dondelelcaro: i just want my configuration to go back to working :p |
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| 01:16.54 | odla | sorry wrong button |
| 01:17.05 | minerale | wols: I completely missed your first comment, what does pics or shens mean ? |
| 01:17.14 | minerale | blondie: tell me about your gender |
| 01:17.51 | wols | some forum slang on. let's say not necessarily adult oriented forums. "show a picture or we don't believe you" basically |
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| 01:19.24 | ryty | so, I've been trying for months to get fglrx working properly on my dual head system. I upgrade debian packages, and bam, works instantly. |
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| 01:20.39 | Azar | dondelecaro, the aptitude unmarkauto stanza does not seem to work, could it be another way? |
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| 01:25.04 | devicenull | slight problem.. I had a console program end badly, and now I can't see what I'm typing in console |
| 01:26.05 | argonel | when trying to fire up X i get a backtrace ending with "/usr/bin/X(FontFileCompleteXLFD+0xad". i found a reference to this from kanotix but that appears to be with nvidia driver. i'm using nv, so surely it cannot be a gcc mismatch? |
| 01:26.09 | devicenull | how do I fix this? |
| 01:26.12 | ryty | devicenull: press enter a couple times, then type in "reset" (sans quotes) then press enter |
| 01:26.20 | devicenull | ok, thanks |
| 01:26.33 | minerale | wols: just to clear it up: were you asking me, or unixslut for a pix |
| 01:27.06 | minerale | unixslut: can we have a picture? We'll add it to the http://women.debian.org/profiles listing |
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| 01:27.50 | abrotman | minerale: you know .. might not actually be a woman ... |
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| 01:28.41 | minerale | abrotman: in away that's true, but Star Wars might not be a real story either ... I enjoy it anyhow |
| 01:28.54 | minerale | s/away/a way |
| 01:29.41 | devicenull | ok, thankavcxzqwerqqquits |
| 01:29.58 | devicenull | yuioopl,kmjnhbgvfcdxsza |
| 01:30.00 | devicenull | \ |
| 01:30.21 | devicenull | lol |
| 01:30.37 | devicenull | I switched monitor inputs, but forgot to grab the other keyboard |
| 01:30.40 | devicenull | sorry |
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| 01:32.45 | ryty | devicenull: I just thought you were drunk. |
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| 01:34.13 | devicenull | ftp ls |
| 01:34.29 | ryty | wellp, that confirmed it. |
| 01:34.34 | ryty | :-P |
| 01:34.35 | devicenull | loll |
| 01:34.53 | devicenull | I'm used to my KVM switch, not the monitor being seperate from the keyboard |
| 01:35.17 | minerale | it's not that, devicenull it's the fact you tried to run `ftp ls` |
| 01:35.22 | devicenull | lol |
| 01:35.26 | ryty | yes. |
| 01:35.28 | devicenull | no, I typed ftp |
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| 01:35.35 | devicenull | remembered |
| 01:36.01 | devicenull | yea, I've got three machines, three keyboards, two monitors. |
| 01:36.03 | devicenull | oops |
| 01:36.35 | devicenull | maybe I have a domain name "ls" :P |
| 01:36.51 | ryty | not externally. |
| 01:37.03 | ryty | it is possible that you have a host setup though :-) |
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| 01:38.06 | mog | hi |
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| 01:38.55 | mog | im trying to force my orinoco_cs card to be wlan0, instead of eth2 i have it configured in modprobe.d/aliases but it still wont? |
| 01:40.30 | ryty | mog: tried google? |
| 01:41.18 | ryty | mog: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3586546 |
| 01:41.19 | mog | yeah from all guesses /etc/modprobe.d/aliases should have fixed it |
| 01:42.20 | mog | that appears to be just a hack |
| 01:42.31 | mog | this should be an easy fix |
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| 01:42.51 | ryty | yah, I didn't like it either, but it works... |
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| 01:43.08 | mog | hmm i think this might be it |
| 01:43.09 | mog | rebooting |
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| 01:43.19 | devicenull` | for some reason, all logs are going to my console. .rather then files |
| 01:43.28 | devicenull` | when I disconnect a usb device, I see that in console |
| 01:43.31 | devicenull` | same if eth0 goes down |
| 01:43.39 | devicenull` | any idea why? |
| 01:43.50 | abrotman | your syslog is configured to do that |
| 01:44.10 | sng | Is not! |
| 01:44.25 | ryty | devicenull: most occurences are _ALSO_ logged in files. |
| 01:44.38 | ryty | devicenull: look at /var/log/messages |
| 01:45.00 | ryty | (atleast, the important ones are) |
| 01:45.08 | abrotman | /etc/syslog.conf ? |
| 01:45.44 | ryty | devicenull: also, /var/log/syslog |
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| 01:55.49 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:55.50 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 02:01.21 | Azar | ok I fix it, looked back and I remember I forgot to "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" after I asked apt-get to remove it. Thanks again dondelecaro |
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| 02:01.54 | Azar | there is a definite crazyness when mixing apt-get and aptitude |
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| 02:04.37 | niles | !moo |
| 02:04.38 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:05.11 | abrotman | Azar: yes .. duh |
| 02:05.32 | niles | what does he mean by "mixing" them |
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| 02:06.26 | brendonjt | hi there all |
| 02:06.59 | abrotman | niles: using one .. then the other .. then back to the first |
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| 02:17.17 | netcrash | Hello , when debian is started with linux26 , does it have support for scsi drives ? |
| 02:17.47 | abrotman | probably depends on the controller |
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| 02:18.39 | netcrash | abrotman: I do fdisk -l , but no drive appears , can this mean it does not have the support loaded ( But partiotioning is made to the disks ! ) |
| 02:18.53 | abrotman | probably what it means |
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| 02:19.56 | netcrash | abrotman: The partiotion tools , partitions and detects the disk , but not fdisk ! ( just trying to make myself compreensive ) |
| 02:20.26 | abrotman | so you can partition it? but not format it ? |
| 02:21.02 | netcrash | abrotman: can partition it , can format it ( acording to debian ) but don't see it using fdisk -l |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | this is after installation ? |
| 02:21.24 | netcrash | during instalation |
| 02:22.39 | abrotman | what happens when it tries to isntall pacakges ? |
| 02:23.23 | netcrash | the base install ocurrs , now I was thinking I cant remenber where the target partition was being used . |
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| 02:26.46 | kingsley_ | How reliable is flash 9? |
| 02:27.20 | abrotman | i installed it .. it hasn't crashed anything yet :) |
| 02:29.31 | Azar | :) hi abrotman, sorry I haven't asked you but you were busy with someone with a more important question |
| 02:29.41 | abrotman | asked me ? |
| 02:29.58 | Azar | abrotman: earlier when I asked dondelecaro about my issue |
| 02:30.13 | abrotman | about mixing aptitude and apt-get ? |
| 02:30.16 | tuv | flash 9? any debian packages? |
| 02:30.42 | Azar | abrotman: no, about aptitude wanting to remove my xserver-xfree86 and other packages |
| 02:30.46 | abrotman | not that i've seen .. i've always just used their "installer" :) |
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| 02:30.54 | abrotman | Azar: paste the error |
| 02:30.55 | litage | i'm building a package and noticed that dpkg's manpage says that if a package is reinstalled, the old verion's postrm script is run *after* the new version's preinst script. this means that if the preinst script creates group "foobar" and the postrm script removes group "foobar", upgrading the package will result in group "foobar" not existing. how do you get around this? |
| 02:33.21 | Azar | fixed but ok here goes: I did an aptitude upgrade on Oct10: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4156 / which got me the xdm installed / I did not want xdm and removed it, and since, aptitude upgrade will give me this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4155 == but now I fixed it as I told above |
| 02:34.11 | Azar | when I remove with aptitude remove, it yanks the dependent packages, when I remove it with apt-get it works |
| 02:34.29 | abrotman | Azar: are you running sarge ? |
| 02:34.34 | Azar | abrotman: yes |
| 02:35.02 | abrotman | AFAIK .. you're not supposed to mix using the two |
| 02:35.05 | Azar | the upgrade was just an ordinary security upgrade |
| 02:35.24 | Azar | abrotman: right, but aptitude which I mostly used failed me |
| 02:36.01 | Azar | it seems it forced xdm on me tied on packages that I want to keep |
| 02:36.35 | FsckIt | Azar: you can leave xdm installed, and just turn it off |
| 02:36.43 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | Azar: it can't be "mostly" .. |
| 02:36.58 | abrotman | !aptitude |
| 02:36.59 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 02:37.02 | Azar | FsckIt: old story, I could use the Fx keys but I want to boot in console mode |
| 02:37.19 | FsckIt | azar: that's what I mean |
| 02:37.27 | Azar | abrotman: I installed and used aptitude since I upgraded to Sarge |
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| 02:38.04 | abrotman | Azar: but you fixed it right ? |
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| 02:39.12 | Azar | this was the only one I had to use apt-get, yes abrotman I fixed it with apt-get remove then doing a "update-rc.d -f xdm remove", that fixed it, aptitude now works ok |
| 02:39.32 | FsckIt | Azar: yeah, update-rc.d |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 02:39.39 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:40.16 | Azar | the only thing that I do not like with .dm is booting in the login screen and not being able to read what is loaded at bootup |
| 02:41.01 | Azar | hmm interesting, I will try that "false" too :) |
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| 02:47.06 | basscr | i've install debian on my acer laptop, which port should i use for the tactile mouse? |
| 02:47.32 | abrotman | modprobe mousedev and use /dev/input/mice |
| 02:47.44 | beardy | The one that your tactile(?) mouse fits in. |
| 02:48.17 | basscr | what is modprobe and mousedev? |
| 02:48.17 | abrotman | beardy: he means his trackpad |
| 02:48.24 | basscr | oh yeap |
| 02:48.27 | beardy | Oh. |
| 02:48.27 | basscr | that |
| 02:48.28 | abrotman | 'modprobe mousedev' is a command |
| 02:48.46 | basscr | i'm now on the xserver config |
| 02:48.56 | basscr | and it ask for the port |
| 02:49.01 | beardy | basscr: modprobe is a program, mousedev is the module you want modprobe to load. |
| 02:49.25 | basscr | so, what do i put on the xserver config |
| 02:49.31 | basscr | leave the default? |
| 02:49.32 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice |
| 02:50.08 | basscr | so, i need to config the trackpad after the installation? |
| 02:51.48 | beardy | You have just done that, what do you mean? |
| 02:52.53 | basscr | after configuring the xserver, mi trackpad will work, or i need to make something else? |
| 02:53.18 | beardy | It will work if you did it correctly. |
| 02:53.35 | beardy | So try it, and let us know if it works or not. |
| 02:53.55 | abrotman | he'll have to put it in /etc/modules then i suppose |
| 02:54.36 | beardy | Probably. That isn't done automatically when modprobeing? |
| 02:54.52 | beardy | (Yes I know, I should know, but a long time since I had to load a module.) |
| 02:54.56 | abrotman | no |
| 02:56.54 | beardy | basscr: You have to do what abrotman said then, add the module to /etc/modules so it will load next time you reboot aswell. Either add it or uncomment it if it's already there. |
| 02:57.32 | abrotman | echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules .. yes .. the ">>" is VERY important |
| 02:57.50 | beardy | or use an editor |
| 02:57.56 | basscr | ok, thanks beardy, i will tell you how it goes |
| 02:58.24 | beardy | Do it! :) |
| 02:58.35 | beardy | Or isn't there some already? |
| 02:58.41 | beardy | basscr: You're welcome. |
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| 02:59.46 | beardy | abrotman: You can probably replace the "touchpad". |
| 02:59.57 | sjr | Has anyone else been having problems with the new Flash Beta that basically results in the sound looping, and having to close and reopen the application before you can use sound again (in your app) |
| 03:00.02 | abrotman | !mousedev is <reply>This is the driver you most likely want to use. `echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules && modprobe mousedev` .. Choose /dev/input/mice when you reconfigure X. |
| 03:00.02 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 03:00.06 | abrotman | good enough ? |
| 03:00.13 | talexb | I have a suspect CDRW drive .. or it could be the flat cable. Would that be enough to hang the system if I try to burn with k3b? It's happened twice tonight, so seems to be reproducible. |
| 03:00.21 | beardy | abrotman: Yep. Good. |
| 03:00.27 | sjr | whats that wrapper from for arts |
| 03:01.09 | beardy | talexb: Do you have another cable to check with? |
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| 03:01.31 | DrStroker | whats the name of the email server in linux? |
| 03:01.35 | beardy | talexb: Is that the only time it hangs? |
| 03:01.44 | beardy | DrStroker: exim, and a bunch more |
| 03:01.45 | abrotman | DrStroker: there isn't just one .. there are many to choose from |
| 03:01.55 | DrStroker | oh |
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| 03:02.16 | talexb | beardy, don't think so .. I know I had problems getting this system to work when I first got it (freebie) and it was by switching the cables around that I got it to work. |
| 03:02.34 | talexb | beardy, Yeah, other than that the system's been fine. |
| 03:02.47 | beardy | talexb: Replace all the cables? They're not that expensive. |
| 03:03.03 | beardy | talexb: If you have had problems with them before I mean. |
| 03:03.10 | talexb | Yeah, I think so .. I have an LG CDRW, is that brand reliable? |
| 03:03.24 | beardy | talexb: Should work as good as anything else. |
| 03:04.13 | beardy | talexb: It shouldn't have to hang though, please explain what you mean with "hang"? |
| 03:04.17 | talexb | beardy, Yeah, OK, I've been suspicious of this drive, but I could be blaming it when it's really the cable's fault. |
| 03:04.56 | talexb | Hang -- k3b gets stuck while fixating .. in another virtual desktop (I use Windowmaker) and 'ps axf' refuses to output anything in a bash xterm. |
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| 03:05.15 | beardy | talexb: So you can still type? |
| 03:05.26 | beardy | talexb: How long do you let it try to fixate? |
| 03:05.33 | talexb | Went to console using CtrlAltF1, tried to log in as root ,, OS didn't come back with a password prompt. |
| 03:05.46 | talexb | No response at all, powered machine off. :( |
| 03:06.12 | talexb | I let it fixate for a efw minutes, but the ps axf should have come back with something. |
| 03:06.32 | beardy | talexb: To spend the least money, run memtest86 first, then replace the cables, if that doesn't help, replace the drive. |
| 03:07.26 | talexb | memtest86 -- great idea .. is that installed by default? (Stupid question, I know.) |
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| 03:07.55 | beardy | talexb: No, it's not installed if you haven't installed it. And no, not a stupid question, though you could just check for yourself ;) |
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| 03:09.43 | talexb | beardy, No, I can check fine by myself, it just didn't occur to me to try that. Thanks! |
| 03:10.01 | beardy | talexb: You're welcome. |
| 03:10.23 | talexb | Heh, clever Debian, can't log in as root from front screen. :) |
| 03:10.38 | beardy | front screen? |
| 03:10.51 | abrotman | in KDM .. disallows root login |
| 03:10.54 | abrotman | GDM too i think |
| 03:10.58 | beardy | Good. |
| 03:10.59 | pingouin | someone have a good url to set up postfix+fetchmail+procmail+mutt...just to receive mail from an pop account of my ispn and send mail to the ispn smtp....i'm turning crazy... |
| 03:11.03 | abrotman | it's an option |
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| 03:11.24 | soop | anyone know a way without killing my current x session I might be able to restart my kb services, I've lost my delete key ability |
| 03:11.33 | soop | i miss it so |
| 03:11.37 | beardy | talexb: You have six nice shiny virtual terminals, use them. |
| 03:11.56 | fluvvell | I need to increase the number of files allowed open, currently ulimit -n reports 1024. Some have suggested changing /etc/security/limits.conf, which I have done but no effect. Logging out, rebooting, nothing seems to change it. My line in limits.conf reads * hard nofiles 10240. what else affects ulimit permanently? |
| 03:12.08 | abrotman | how are you logging in ? |
| 03:12.38 | soop | gdm |
| 03:12.41 | talexb | beardy, That's weird .. did an apt-get on memtest86, looks like it got it and installed it but .. but then it's not installed. ??? |
| 03:12.43 | abrotman | not you .. fluvvell |
| 03:12.59 | beardy | talexb: It is. Or why do you think it's not? |
| 03:13.01 | abrotman | soop: that's an option you can configure .. but it's a godo idea not to login as root |
| 03:13.04 | abrotman | good idea even |
| 03:13.12 | soop | am i running as root? |
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| 03:13.23 | fluvvell | abrotman, I'm in gnome, text logins the same |
| 03:13.34 | beardy | talexb: It has to be booted, it has added an entry in your bootloaders configuration, so reboot and it should be there. |
| 03:13.36 | talexb | beardy, It's not on root's path. Sorry I'm being such an egghead about this .. new to Debian but keen to learn. |
| 03:13.47 | abrotman | fluvvell: i wonder if that only applies to shell logins |
| 03:14.11 | DaveyB | I am trying to unzip a rar file that has been split into loads of smallfiles like [ file1.r00 file2.r00 ] etc. I am using unrar-free -x file.rar, and each time I do it says 1 Failed. But this works on my windows machine is, it just a case of unrar being shit? |
| 03:14.16 | fluvvell | abrotman, limits.conf change hasn't affected my shell logins either. |
| 03:14.26 | soop | DaveyB, you using x? |
| 03:14.31 | abrotman | fluvvell: shell logins via ssh? or tty1 ? |
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| 03:14.43 | soop | right click ... choose extract here with nautilus |
| 03:14.56 | fluvvell | abrotman, tty1 |
| 03:14.58 | DaveyB | solars, yer unrar-free +x file.rar |
| 03:15.18 | DaveyB | solars, I mean unrar-free -x file.rar. |
| 03:15.41 | fluvvell | abrotman, just tried an ssh login, its the same. |
| 03:15.44 | beardy | talexb: You saw what I said, right before you said your last line? |
| 03:15.59 | abrotman | fluvvell: i know ssh is special .. have to do things in the sshd config to allow it |
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| 03:16.23 | fluvvell | is there somewhere the files open allowance is changed? |
| 03:16.26 | talexb | About the shiny virtual terminals? |
| 03:16.27 | fluvvell | somewhere else? |
| 03:16.35 | beardy | talexb: No. |
| 03:16.39 | beardy | talexb: It has to be booted, it has added an entry in your bootloaders configuration, so reboot and it should be there. |
| 03:16.42 | beardy | talexb: that |
| 03:16.43 | abrotman | man 3 ulimit |
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| 03:16.55 | fluvvell | ah man 3, |
| 03:16.57 | abrotman | and man bash |
| 03:17.03 | abrotman | man bash is probably mor eimportant here |
| 03:17.14 | fluvvell | no man 3 entry... |
| 03:17.24 | abrotman | man bash .. covers ulimits |
| 03:17.34 | Azar | anything significant related to gplv3 that could affect Debian? |
| 03:17.45 | abrotman | ask the debian-legal mailing list |
| 03:17.51 | Azar | ..sorry o/t I'm /.-ing |
| 03:18.05 | abrotman | again? |
| 03:18.15 | Azar | :) before the bed read |
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| 03:18.18 | fluvvell | its in bash. |
| 03:18.19 | talexb | beardy, Oh, sorry, I must have msised that. Rebooting now .. |
| 03:18.44 | beardy | talexb: It's a different machine than the one your irc:ing on? |
| 03:19.03 | Azar | linus seems to have said that "claimed things like digitally signed repositories like apt-get would be not allowed with v3" ? |
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| 03:19.16 | talexb | beardy, yeah. ;) |
| 03:19.17 | beardy | linus who? |
| 03:19.26 | Azar | :) hi beardy, right |
| 03:19.35 | abrotman | Azar: discuss it on slashdot |
| 03:19.47 | beardy | No I mean it, what would he know about gpl, if that is what you're talking about. |
| 03:20.00 | Azar | abrotman, ok sorry for the distraction |
| 03:20.06 | beardy | Or Debian for that matter. |
| 03:20.12 | abrotman | Azar: or as i said .. ask the debian-legal mailing list |
| 03:20.38 | Azar | funny thing, I am not even having an e-mail setup on my Debian Sarge machine |
| 03:20.51 | talexb | beardy, Heh, not there in the boot loader list. |
| 03:21.09 | beardy | talexb: Strange.. are you using grub or lilo? |
| 03:21.32 | fluvvell | abrotman, i'm guessing the message "-bash: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted" is normal? |
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| 03:21.52 | beardy | talexb: Try updating your bootloader manually then, after checking it's configuration file, so memtest86 really is there. |
| 03:21.58 | abrotman | the user can't .. the superuser should be able to |
| 03:21.59 | beardy | JordiGH: The fps? |
| 03:21.59 | talexb | beardy, Um, GRUB I think. |
| 03:22.11 | JordiGH | beardy: Yes! Wikipedia says good things about it. |
| 03:22.13 | beardy | JordiGH: Quite fun. |
| 03:22.34 | JordiGH | w00t. Someone here asked a few days ago about an fps, and all I could recommend was freedoom. :P |
| 03:22.44 | Azar | what's new? hardware drivers bugs: Security researchers have published an exploit that highlights a long-standing security bug in Nvidia graphic drivers for Linux. |
| 03:23.14 | DaveyB | I am trying to unzip a rar file that has been split into loads of smallfiles like [ file1.r00 file2.r00 ] etc. I am using unrar-free -x file.rar, and each time I do it says 1 Failed. But this works on my windows machine is, it just a case of unrar being shit? |
| 03:23.32 | beardy | JordiGH: quake, quake2, (well, different names and so on) Enemy Territory, the mod for et TrueCombatElite, doom, and.. more. |
| 03:23.58 | talexb | beardy, Thanks a bunch for your help .. I've made notes and will continue this later. Long day tomorrow. Cheers. |
| 03:24.30 | JordiGH | Azar: Yes, we know. This is why OpenBSD made a song about proprietary drivers: http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 |
| 03:24.30 | Azar | beardy, all those games are only for sid? |
| 03:24.32 | beardy | talexb: Good luck. There are bootable floppies you can get if you don't want to mess with your bootloader. |
| 03:24.37 | fl | DaveyB: unrar x foo.rar |
| 03:24.38 | beardy | !memtest86 |
| 03:24.38 | Azar | JordiGH: haha |
| 03:24.38 | dpkg | hmm... memtest is http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package |
| 03:24.39 | JordiGH | beardy: I know quake2 is in Debian, but are there free data to use with it? |
| 03:24.57 | beardy | JordiGH: Probably not no.. |
| 03:25.17 | DaveyB | fl, I have done |
| 03:25.20 | beardy | JordiGH: I don't know though, IIRC there are projects to make new free data. |
| 03:25.22 | Azar | JordiGH: dunno about q2, but on doom you gotta download some stuff from the doom site |
| 03:25.40 | JordiGH | !teel azar about freedoom |
| 03:25.46 | JordiGH | Er... |
| 03:25.54 | Azar | tell :) |
| 03:26.02 | beardy | talexb: memtest86+ is the one you want |
| 03:26.06 | JordiGH | :P |
| 03:26.10 | niles | !moo |
| 03:26.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:26.49 | JordiGH | beardy: Nexuiz uses a modified Quake 1 engine? |
| 03:26.52 | beardy | talexb: Ah, perhaps you have to install it in your bootloader manually then.. read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+ after installing it. |
| 03:26.53 | talexb | beardy, I just installed Debian a efw weeks ago .. is there a default between GRUB and LILO? |
| 03:26.56 | Azar | JordiGH: even with freedoom there is something you gotta get from the doom site, I remember reading on it, what about my lifedream psdoom? |
| 03:26.58 | beardy | JordiGH: Yeah. |
| 03:27.10 | JordiGH | Azar: no, there isn't. |
| 03:27.39 | JordiGH | Azar: freedoom is Doom wads to be used by the Doom engine (which in turn is implemented in prboom.) |
| 03:27.49 | niles | !sis |
| 03:27.50 | dpkg | [sis] http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml, or shit, or http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml |
| 03:28.09 | Azar | IWADs |
| 03:28.13 | JordiGH | Azar: freedoom, last I checked, was still not very complete, as I recall. |
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| 03:28.27 | JordiGH | Yes, iwads. |
| 03:28.35 | talexb | beardy, OK, got the docs thanks .. will read up on that and probably make a floppy -- good to have. I'm not 100% sure that this machine is kosher; it was a freebie after all. |
| 03:28.39 | beardy | talexb: Check which one is installed. |
| 03:28.55 | Azar | oh, now they make own IWADs ? |
| 03:28.59 | JordiGH | Looks like development on freedoom is stalled. :-( |
| 03:29.12 | JordiGH | Azar: Yes. Freedoom is about making new iwads. |
| 03:29.18 | niles | dpkg said a bad word. |
| 03:29.26 | beardy | talexb: If you aren't already, use aptitude, it has the same options as apt-get, but can be run just with 'aptitude' for a nice interactive interface, / to search for a package. |
| 03:29.39 | JordiGH | !wtf |
| 03:29.47 | JordiGH | !wtf wtf |
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| 03:29.49 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 03:29.52 | beardy | niles: Cover your ears. |
| 03:29.57 | JordiGH | wtf? |
| 03:30.17 | Azar | JordiGH: that explains it, I was reading about FreeDoom last year, when IWAD had to be taken from IDsoft |
| 03:30.25 | talexb | beardy, yeah, I've used aptitude -- nice package management is the reason that I wanted to try debian. if only the hardware weren't so chancey, |
| 03:30.38 | JordiGH | !wtf rtfm |
| 03:30.40 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 03:30.43 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 03:30.48 | beardy | talexb: Well, you can't blame Debian for that ;) |
| 03:30.48 | JordiGH | dpkg won't play with me. |
| 03:30.56 | beardy | JordiGH: He might in private. |
| 03:31.04 | Azar | hey just today I found out that the updated xfree86 offers to autodetect, that's nice |
| 03:31.14 | talexb | beardy, So what can I blame Debian for? ;) |
| 03:31.22 | Caelum | no one uses xfree86 anymore though |
| 03:31.26 | JordiGH | beardy: No. Someone install wtf wherever dpkg happens to be running. |
| 03:31.27 | Azar | JordiGH: sometimes dpkg shy away from abusers |
| 03:31.32 | beardy | talexb: Not your hardware problems anyway.. |
| 03:31.44 | Azar | Caelum: does my nick look like "nobody" ? |
| 03:31.48 | JordiGH | talexb: You can blame Debian for slow development. It's being worked on! :D |
| 03:31.50 | beardy | JordiGH: I don't think he wants it installed. |
| 03:32.14 | beardy | talexb: It's not slower, just more thorough. |
| 03:32.19 | Azar | talexb: with Debian is like this: you get it or you do not get it |
| 03:32.35 | talexb | JordiGH, I'm not too concerned about slow development .. as long as I can update what I need, it won't be a problem. |
| 03:32.42 | beardy | eh, that last one was for JordiGH |
| 03:32.47 | Caelum | Azar: ok, except for you :) |
| 03:33.15 | beardy | JordiGH: Install it yourself? |
| 03:33.19 | talexb | Yeah, NO SOURCE FOR YOU!! (Sorry, Soup Nazi reference) |
| 03:33.32 | beardy | heh |
| 03:33.44 | beardy | Seinfeld? |
| 03:33.45 | Azar | talexb: hey you get choices: stable(not upgradeable), testing(a slight up grade) and unstable(you get all you want to upgrade to the roof) |
| 03:34.25 | JordiGH | talexb: Are you looking to be convinced to use Debian? |
| 03:34.28 | beardy | JordiGH: I don't. tlas? |
| 03:34.34 | JordiGH | three-letter acronyms. |
| 03:34.39 | beardy | JordiGH: He already is. |
| 03:35.20 | JordiGH | beardy: Anyways, the fact that dpkg is spitting an error message at me suggests that someone thought !wtf would be a useful command but didn't get it working properly. |
| 03:35.25 | talexb | beardy, Yeah, Seinfeld. Some interesting cultural references in that show. |
| 03:35.38 | beardy | JordiGH: Most useable acronyms is explained in their own factoids. |
| 03:35.52 | Azar | JordiGH: I still hope someone will take psdoom under development |
| 03:35.54 | JordiGH | beardy: With the notable exception of... |
| 03:35.56 | JordiGH | !wtf |
| 03:35.57 | talexb | JordiGH, I'm using it now, but it's because I'm getting frustrated with SuSE. |
| 03:36.02 | JordiGH | !iirc |
| 03:36.03 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 03:36.08 | JordiGH | Ok, not that one. |
| 03:36.08 | beardy | JordiGH: blootbot default I guess, and the providing of the actual program is up to the person that's running it |
| 03:36.08 | talexb | Although I use FC3 (or 4?) at work and it works great. |
| 03:36.42 | JordiGH | talexb: What's wrong with SuSE? |
| 03:36.43 | Azar | talexb: Debian Sarge is a nice first. Nice installer too... once you get used to it move up to "sid" - the unstable |
| 03:36.49 | Caelum | talexb: FC is up to 5 |
| 03:36.51 | beardy | JordiGH: ... |
| 03:36.57 | JordiGH | (besides the fact that SuSE is happy to distribute proprietary software.) |
| 03:37.07 | Azar | haha |
| 03:37.08 | Caelum | talexb: they gave me a redhat 9 box at work, which I promptly replaced with sid :) |
| 03:37.14 | talexb | Caelum, yeah, I know .. one of the SysAdmins at work is tinkering with it. |
| 03:37.35 | soop | anyone know why my delete key would stop working? |
| 03:37.35 | JordiGH | Azar: Don't recommend people to use unstable. It's not for everyone. |
| 03:37.40 | Azar | bah the super-mighty-wonderful Etch is coming in 2 months |
| 03:37.52 | soop | aside from hardware faults? |
| 03:37.52 | Azar | JordiGH: he wants lots of upgrades |
| 03:37.54 | JordiGH | soop: In what context? Does it work in a tty? Does it work in X? |
| 03:37.59 | talexb | JordiGH, Sorry, Mandrake .. I have the 10.1 CDs but whenever I went to install something new it was always a slow process. |
| 03:38.03 | soop | good point lemme f over to that |
| 03:38.08 | beardy | Azar: Don't do it, he doesn't. |
| 03:38.19 | JordiGH | Azar: Even so, perhaps a backport would be better than using unstable. Or perhaps it would be a good idea to use a mixed system. |
| 03:38.21 | Azar | beardy: right, sorry |
| 03:38.25 | talexb | I used Suse way back in the late 90's when I really didn't know what I was doing. YaST was practically incomprehensible. |
| 03:39.00 | soop | hrtmm works there |
| 03:39.07 | soop | JordiGH: works fine on the tty |
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| 03:39.21 | beardy | talexb: If you're new to Debian, "/msg dpkg grounding" contains many useful things to read. |
| 03:39.28 | beardy | !tell talexb -about reference |
| 03:39.33 | beardy | talexb: Especially that. |
| 03:39.51 | Azar | When I decided to move away from windows, I wanted to have the most solid distro: I went directly with Debian, and back then, there was Woody. the today Sarge and soon Etch are way more friendly for new users |
| 03:39.56 | JordiGH | soop: So it looks like it could be a problem in X. Now, does it work in any X application? |
| 03:40.10 | JordiGH | Azar: Hear, hear. User friendliness is increasing. |
| 03:40.21 | talexb | beardy, Thanks .. will read up on that. |
| 03:40.35 | soop | JordiGH: not yet ... but i haven't tried everytthing |
| 03:40.43 | soop | gedit is a no go, BitchX through a term is a no go |
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| 03:40.54 | soop | etc. |
| 03:40.56 | zamaliphe | i need to make korn run tool evry 1min ... is this line is ok for it "* * * * * root /usr/bin/ipdetect.sh" in the "/etc/cron.d/IPdetect" file ??? |
| 03:41.10 | JordiGH | soop: Do you get the wrong thing happening when you use delete or do you get nothing at all? |
| 03:41.14 | Azar | JordiGH: I have seen freedoom on the repositories, months ago but was for sid, any chance will run on Etch? |
| 03:41.28 | soop | nadda |
| 03:41.38 | soop | just kinda like nothing ever happened |
| 03:41.39 | JordiGH | Azar: I wager it will. Freedoom is just pictures and sound. |
| 03:41.43 | soop | every other key seems fine |
| 03:41.47 | beardy | zamaliphe: You mean cron? Use your users, or if you have to, roots crontab instead. |
| 03:42.12 | beardy | zamaliphe: 'man 1 crontab', 'man 5 crontab' |
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| 03:42.30 | Azar | xorg got 3D acceleration support? |
| 03:42.59 | brendonjt | Hi there all I have just recently switched to Debian from Kubuntu, and was using k3b in there to burn cd's |
| 03:43.09 | JordiGH | 3d acceleration is a function of the video driver, not of Xorg directly. Some cards are supported, but some, only through blobs (proprietary drivers). |
| 03:43.18 | beardy | brendonjt: And you wonder where it is? Install it. |
| 03:43.31 | brendonjt | now in Debian I am using k3b in the Gnome enviroment why is it that a kde enviroment disk can't be read in gnome and vice versa |
| 03:43.47 | JordiGH | soop: There's an X app that lets you interact with your keyboard and allows you to reassign keyboard keys or see what they are doing. I forget the name, though. :-/ |
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| 03:43.53 | soop | JordiGH: im gonna hope for the bext when I kill this x session, just im mid effort on some php shiznits and well yah i'll never get back to it if i close hte window |
| 03:43.57 | soop | JordiGH: oh shit yah i know |
| 03:43.58 | beardy | brendonjt: What is a "kde enviroment disk"? |
| 03:44.07 | soop | my wife was probably fux0ring with it |
| 03:44.14 | Azar | JordiGH: I have tried some good looking 3d versions of Nethack, unfortunately my card does not have 3d accelleration |
| 03:44.23 | xjkx | the installation layout is made on shell scripting? |
| 03:44.23 | JordiGH | soop: Try xev. |
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| 03:44.28 | beardy | soop: Your editor can't save? |
| 03:44.33 | JordiGH | soop: Do you get stuff when you press delete? |
| 03:44.34 | brendonjt | beardy, :the ennviroment i was in when using k3b |
| 03:44.51 | soop | nothing ... but maybe she mapped it to something that doesnt do anything? |
| 03:45.25 | soop | nope |
| 03:45.33 | soop | no 0x6b mapped to anything |
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| 03:45.37 | zamaliphe | beardy: sory i didnot understand |
| 03:45.40 | soop | *shakes fist* |
| 03:45.40 | beardy | brendonjt: Ok, and you are saying that a disc you burnt when using KDE, can't be read in Gnome? |
| 03:45.40 | JordiGH | soop: Really? That's odd. Hmm... blame the wife, heh. If my girlfriend heard you, she'd smack you for your mysogynistic attitudes and being quick to blame the females. :P |
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| 03:46.02 | wef | why I cant connect via ftp using my ssh root/password? |
| 03:46.03 | soop | JordiGH: well see its either her or the children she babysits ...either way she's at fault :P |
| 03:46.27 | beardy | zamaliphe: Don't put it /etc/cron.d/whatever. Does the script have to be run as root? |
| 03:46.40 | zamaliphe | beardy: no |
| 03:46.42 | JordiGH | Anyways, sorry for the OTicknes... |
| 03:46.58 | beardy | JordiGH: Interesting to know.. |
| 03:47.13 | zamaliphe | beardy: but i havent use corn before |
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| 03:47.19 | JordiGH | beardy: Liberalism, feminism, and Debianism. It all goes together, y'know. |
| 03:47.41 | wef | why I cant connect via ftp using my ssh root/password? |
| 03:47.47 | beardy | zamaliphe: Then, when you are logged in with your normal user, run 'crontab -e' to edit your users crontab. |
| 03:47.53 | JordiGH | wef: You mean sftp, right? |
| 03:48.02 | beardy | JordiGH: To some people yes, others not. |
| 03:48.12 | wef | no ftp |
| 03:48.21 | wef | via filezilla |
| 03:48.55 | JordiGH | soop: Wild-ass guess: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and see if you have the right keyboard there. In particular, the right number of keys. |
| 03:49.08 | beardy | JordiGH: I just found it an intersting thing to mention in here, that's all ;) |
| 03:49.26 | JordiGH | beardy: soop brought up it up first! He started talking about wives and such |
| 03:49.34 | beardy | Hehe |
| 03:49.49 | AIone | is anybody here familiar with postfix/mailscanner? |
| 03:50.07 | beardy | AIone: Perhaps, ask your question and find out. |
| 03:50.50 | zamaliphe | beardy: thanks |
| 03:51.09 | AIone | postfix places messages into the hold queue, and mailscanner works fine once the process is restarted, but every 3-4 hours or so stops responding and all incoming messages are left in the queue |
| 03:51.29 | beardy | zamaliphe: Read 'man 5 crontab' it contains examples. |
| 03:51.30 | AIone | once i restart mailscanner the messages are requeued scanned by clamav, spamassasin and sent |
| 03:51.47 | beardy | zamaliphe: You're welcome. |
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| 03:52.13 | myboxen | evening all |
| 03:52.17 | AIone | i can't seem to find anything malfunctioning in the logs |
| 03:52.21 | JordiGH | !greet myboxen |
| 03:52.21 | dpkg | Moo, myboxen |
| 03:52.31 | myboxen | :) |
| 03:52.31 | basscr | which is the most common resolution for a laptop screen? |
| 03:52.34 | myboxen | question about SCSI, I have a DELL PowerEdge 2450, it has a PERC raid controller. I have 2 disc's RAID 0 on the controller, I plugged in a third drive and tried to create a container, but drive is not recognized on the controller card. |
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| 03:52.43 | myboxen | the port is good, I tested it with another drive. |
| 03:52.50 | myboxen | The drive itself was having a problem, and a friend of mine gave it to me to help recover some data from it. |
| 03:52.53 | myboxen | any ideas |
| 03:53.00 | brendonjt | beardy, yip that is what i am saying |
| 03:53.05 | beardy | basscr: I don't think there is one, so many different screens. |
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| 03:53.40 | beardy | basscr: How are you reading it? |
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| 03:54.20 | basscr | when i startx, it doesn't start, it says it's not configured correctly |
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| 03:55.30 | beardy | basscr: Do this, Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in as root, 'mount /dev/cdrom /mnt' then 'ls /mnt' can it be read? |
| 03:55.56 | beardy | bah.. brendonjt the last two were for you |
| 03:56.02 | beardy | basscr: sorry |
| 03:56.16 | beardy | !drxx basscr |
| 03:56.17 | dpkg | basscr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 03:56.48 | beardy | basscr: How new is you laptop? |
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| 03:56.52 | beardy | your |
| 03:57.17 | brendonjt | beardy, it just comes up blank disk but yet though apt-get can read it |
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| 03:57.31 | beardy | brendonjt: Why is apt-get reading it? |
| 03:57.47 | brendonjt | as the first cd binary is in the repo |
| 03:57.49 | brendonjt | list |
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| 03:58.07 | beardy | brendonjt: Of course it can be read if apt-get can read it. |
| 03:58.15 | beardy | brendonjt: Have you mounted it and tried? |
| 03:58.32 | basscr | beardy: it's an old laptop (pentium II) |
| 03:58.35 | brendonjt | beardy, yip as it says it is mounted hmm strange |
| 03:58.42 | beardy | basscr: Try 800x600. |
| 03:58.43 | AIone | i think it might have something to do with mailscanner trying to restart itself |
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| 03:58.53 | grendal_prime | is there a way to configure like...kmail to use an yahoo account... |
| 03:59.14 | grendal_prime | i know that sounds rediculas...but well it would be cool. |
| 03:59.35 | JordiGH | Kmail can use a pop3 account. |
| 03:59.40 | JordiGH | I think yahoo provides that. |
| 03:59.42 | beardy | grendal_prime: If it can be reached with pop3 or imap, or something else, yes. |
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| 04:00.02 | grendal_prime | i know of ways to pull down email from them with fetchmail. |
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| 04:00.15 | JordiGH | grendal_prime: Then it can be done with Kmail too. |
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| 04:00.27 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.36 | grendal_prime | probably not possible right |
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| 04:00.45 | JordiGH | I'd be surprised. Can't yahoo use smtp? |
| 04:01.05 | beardy | brendonjt: What does 'ls /mnt' say? Use a pastebin if it's a lot. |
| 04:01.05 | JordiGH | Or perhaps they want to make sure that you log onto their site unless you're paying them. |
| 04:01.24 | grendal_prime | im just in so many different places these days, smtp servers...its a pain in the ass. |
| 04:01.26 | basscr | beardy: doesn't work with 800x600 :( , it seems it trys to load the screen, but it fails, its something i've to put when i reconfigure the xserver ? |
| 04:01.48 | beardy | basscr: Are you using the correct video driver? |
| 04:01.57 | JordiGH | smtp? What's wrong with that? |
| 04:02.03 | grendal_prime | i guess i could set up my own smtp server and just allow sending if it is connected to via ssl. |
| 04:02.12 | JordiGH | Oh, yahoo doesn't provide an smtp server, eh? |
| 04:02.27 | basscr | beardy: i'm using vesa, i've seen its the most common, the laptop it's not mine, and i dont know the driver |
| 04:02.42 | beardy | basscr: lspci |
| 04:02.51 | brendonjt | beardy, nothing, when i check /media/cdrom0 it says blank disc when i know it is not as it is the install cd |
| 04:02.53 | JordiGH | basscr: vesa only gives basic functionality. Use lspci to see if you can figure out what the video card is. |
| 04:02.57 | beardy | basscr: vesa should work though |
| 04:03.03 | beardy | brendonjt: Mount it. |
| 04:03.33 | grendal_prime | JordiGH, i connect via several different isps, and so, when i try to send something using one smtp and im connected via a differnt network...because of obvioiuse reasons it does not allow me to send. I have to reconfigure the client app for the new smtp server. |
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| 04:03.51 | beardy | brendonjt: I even told you how above. |
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| 04:05.00 | enema_cow | hi all |
| 04:05.19 | brendonjt | beardy, yip i know how to mount it, and it said no such file of directory |
| 04:05.37 | beardy | brendonjt: What is your drives device then? |
| 04:05.52 | brendonjt | beardy, /dev/cdrom |
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| 04:06.30 | beardy | brendonjt: And what said no such file or directory |
| 04:06.32 | beardy | `? |
| 04:06.40 | brendonjt | beardy, I just put a cd in the drive (written in the gnome enviroment) and it came up mounted changed back to the other and i get blank media |
| 04:07.11 | basscr | beardy: when i lspci: 0000:01:00.0 VGA Compatible Controller: Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525 |
| 04:07.13 | brendonjt | beardy, the output in a terminal after i went ls /media/cdrom0 |
| 04:07.18 | JordiGH | How do I know what file apt-get is trying to get? I want the URL so that I may do a little ssh port forwarding magic (stupid local network has restrictions, but allows me to forward ports). |
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| 04:07.38 | beardy | brendonjt: I said you should mount it on /mnt, and then list /mnt. |
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| 04:07.53 | brendonjt | beardy, did that to |
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| 04:08.08 | brendonjt | silly thing is working now grrr |
| 04:08.15 | beardy | brendonjt: changed back to the other what? |
| 04:08.27 | beardy | ... |
| 04:08.40 | brendonjt | changed cd's |
| 04:09.20 | beardy | brendonjt: To a blank disk apparently.. |
| 04:09.29 | JordiGH | I'm just going to have to manually browse the Debian archive of my mirror with a browser, won't I? |
| 04:09.56 | brendonjt | beardy, apperantly yeah, i thought that the cdrom would be mounted automatically |
| 04:10.07 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: apt-cache show foopkg; then append the first part of the url in your sources.list |
| 04:10.45 | beardy | brendonjt: In kde and gnome it might yes. If it's blank though, there is nothing that can be mounted. Anyway, it's working as you want now, right? |
| 04:11.08 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Ah! For some reason, I never noticed that thing in the control file. |
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| 04:11.24 | brendonjt | beardy, but the disk wasn't blank it was the install cd i was trying to make a image of it |
| 04:11.53 | beardy | brendonjt: If you were making an image, it should not be mounted anyway. |
| 04:12.21 | brendonjt | beardy, the cd would have to be mounted so that the software can read it |
| 04:12.28 | beardy | brendonjt: No. |
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| 04:13.48 | brendonjt | beardy, hmm strange cos it worked fine after I had done that |
| 04:14.05 | beardy | brendonjt: Then you aren't getting an image. |
| 04:14.06 | JordiGH | Er, it's http://mirrorname.org/debian/distro/main/filename, right? |
| 04:14.07 | brendonjt | After the Rom was mounted it worked fine no worries |
| 04:14.37 | beardy | brendonjt: You are copying the data on the disc, not making an image. |
| 04:14.44 | brendonjt | beardy: K3b seen the cd and was able to create a disk image |
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| 04:15.10 | beardy | brendonjt: "Seen" yes, but it didn't mount it. |
| 04:15.10 | brendonjt | beardy: yes copying the data (making a iso image of the data on the cd) |
| 04:15.17 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's not actually in the control file; it's realy in the Packages.gz file |
| 04:15.21 | beardy | brendonjt: That is not how it's done. |
| 04:15.25 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: apt-cache show; just combines it for you |
| 04:15.57 | beardy | brendonjt: That disc will not boot, and it's not an exact copy of the original disc. |
| 04:16.50 | brendonjt | beardy: huh, if i put the source cd in and then go creat a iso image it will make exact copy of the cd in to aimage file |
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| 04:17.08 | beardy | brendonjt: Yes, but it does not mount the source disc. |
| 04:17.09 | brendonjt | then when i write the image file it will be a exact copy of the csource |
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| 04:18.04 | brendonjt | beardy: ok so what did i do wrong? |
| 04:18.06 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Hm. Couldn't that information go in the control file? I thought each repository was standard about how it organised the Debian archive. |
| 04:18.14 | JordiGH | repository <-> mirror |
| 04:18.37 | beardy | brendonjt: You wanted it mounted, I'm not sure what you have done. |
| 04:18.49 | beardy | brendonjt: Have you copied the disc? |
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| 04:19.11 | brendonjt | yes i have copied it |
| 04:19.26 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: no, it's not; repositories can be ordered in any way they want to be |
| 04:19.31 | beardy | brendonjt: How many cd drives do you have? |
| 04:19.59 | brendonjt | What I did was open k3b told it to copy cd set ti to make image closed the cd drive and it hummed away then said it was blank media |
| 04:20.02 | brendonjt | i have one drive |
| 04:20.23 | beardy | brendonjt: Then you had the blank disc in, simple as that. |
| 04:20.24 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: since most big repositories use dak; they tend to be set up the same way... (or they're mirrors of the official archive, which also uses dak. |
| 04:20.41 | brendonjt | nope i had the source cd in |
| 04:20.58 | brendonjt | i haven't any blanks i was just making the image |
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| 04:21.47 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Fascinating. The more I learn about Debian, the more I'm impressed with it. It seems sometimes a little miraculous that the damn thing works at all. :P |
| 04:22.15 | beardy | brendonjt: You said earlier that you switched between a blank disc and the disc you were making an image of. |
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| 04:22.29 | vick | JordiGH: Debian has little to do with making it 'work' |
| 04:22.54 | vick | JordiGH: Just the coordinating |
| 04:22.56 | Alakazamz0r | i got confused between a local and remote CLI... and accidentally installed a lot of Ubuntu packages on a debian server... is there any way to get debian back to the "out of the box" config? |
| 04:22.56 | brendonjt | nope what i ment is a tried another cd then switched back again to the one i was making the image of |
| 04:23.00 | JordiGH | vick: Huh? I'm referring to the community organisation, mostly. |
| 04:23.05 | vick | JordiGH: oh ok. |
| 04:23.18 | brendonjt | sorry for the confussion, I need to be a bit clearer |
| 04:23.20 | JordiGH | "It" -> Debian. |
| 04:23.44 | beardy | brendonjt: Can the source disc be mounted? |
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| 04:24.05 | brendonjt | yip can now don't know what was wrong before hmm funny |
| 04:24.08 | beardy | brendonjt: And read? |
| 04:24.21 | beardy | brendonjt: And you can make an image of it now? |
| 04:24.23 | Alakazamz0r | anyone? |
| 04:24.42 | brendonjt | Yes Thank you beardy For your help |
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| 04:25.15 | JordiGH | Ah, no. "The damn thing" -> Debian. :P |
| 04:26.02 | brendonjt | And one good thing I can say about Debian and that is the New Zealand Mirrors work and are up to date |
| 04:26.09 | beardy | brendonjt: Well, something went wrong, either by k3b or you, or something else.. I don't know what, and I think we have discussed this enough. If it works, be happy. You're welcome. |
| 04:26.12 | brendonjt | a big thumbs up from me |
| 04:27.24 | JordiGH | Ah, yes. That was a question I had too. How do the mirrors update? And how frequently? |
| 04:28.09 | brendonjt | How do I check a md5sum of a ISO image? |
| 04:28.19 | Alakazamz0r | md5sum isoname |
| 04:28.22 | Xorm | md5sum [file].iso |
| 04:28.23 | JordiGH | md5sum filename |
| 04:28.27 | beardy | brendonjt: md5sum imagefile |
| 04:28.29 | Xorm | lol. |
| 04:28.37 | Xorm | helpful bunch, aren't we? |
| 04:28.41 | JordiGH | Alakazamz0r won. :-( |
| 04:28.51 | brendonjt | thanks all, it is hot over here having a brain meltdown lol |
| 04:29.12 | Alakazamz0r | heh |
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| 04:29.31 | IamEthos_ | okay, where can I find a list of repositories that I should have added? |
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| 04:30.07 | brendonjt | hmm i get md5sum:no such file of directory |
| 04:30.20 | Xorm | uhoh. |
| 04:30.23 | Xorm | install it? |
| 04:30.27 | Yggdrasil | hello gents, can somone help me figure out a cups problem.. got the pritner working localy thru the web admin but cant figure out how to connect from another linux box. just dont know its url .. |
| 04:30.39 | beardy | brendonjt: Install it. |
| 04:31.36 | beardy | Yggdrasil: The machine it is attached to, what name or ip-address does it have? |
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| 04:31.41 | brendonjt | just checking symaptic for it now |
| 04:31.50 | Xorm | apt-get install md5sum |
| 04:31.51 | Yggdrasil | its ip address is 10.0.0.10 |
| 04:31.52 | Xorm | lulz? |
| 04:31.55 | Xorm | O_o |
| 04:31.59 | beardy | brendonjt: Use aptitude. |
| 04:32.34 | beardy | Yggdrasil: Then the printer should be 10.0.0.10:631, shouldn't it, 631 being the port number? |
| 04:32.49 | beardy | (Is 631 the ipp port..?) |
| 04:32.55 | beardy | IIRC.. |
| 04:32.57 | JordiGH | beardy: it is. |
| 04:34.10 | beardy | JordiGH: xterm, whichever foreground and background color you want, it's available now! |
| 04:34.33 | JordiGH | beardy: But I want more! |
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| 04:34.41 | IamEthos_ | anyone? |
| 04:34.51 | JordiGH | beardy: Something that won't freak out dem n00bs. |
| 04:35.16 | beardy | JordiGH: If they get freaked out by that, I don't want to talk to them anyway. |
| 04:35.18 | liable | thats what synaptic is for |
| 04:35.22 | JordiGH | I've heard good things about Ubuntu's "add/remove programs" little thingie. |
| 04:35.32 | JordiGH | liable: But synaptic is a front-end to apt-get. I like aptitude better. |
| 04:35.47 | beardy | JordiGH: aptitude is not a frontend to apt-get. |
| 04:35.53 | JordiGH | beardy: I'm aware. |
| 04:36.03 | Yggdrasil | hmm.. |
| 04:36.03 | Yggdrasil | ill try it |
| 04:36.03 | Yggdrasil | i just thought u had to put the printername on there.. kind of like a smb share |
| 04:36.05 | basscr | when i lspci, it says my video is on 0000:01:00.0. How do i put in on the pci xserver-xfree86 config? |
| 04:36.29 | beardy | basscr: Only one video card? Just hit Enter. |
| 04:36.37 | JordiGH | beardy: That is, I don't want to use apt-get. I want an X front-end to aptitude, but synaptic is an X frontend for apt-get. |
| 04:36.47 | beardy | JordiGH: Ok. |
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| 04:37.33 | beardy | JordiGH: And I think that is a total waste of time to develop. But don't worry, it will probably come soon.. |
| 04:37.43 | basscr | ok |
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| 04:38.16 | JordiGH | beardy: Hehehe... maybe we should be working on getting people comfy with text. :P |
| 04:38.40 | beardy | JordiGH: They better be. Like it or leave. |
| 04:38.53 | beardy | (with a very small ;) ) |
| 04:39.17 | brendonjt | Thanks all now the copy of the image i made it it will have different md5sum to the orgional? |
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| 04:39.56 | JordiGH | brendonjt: if the md5sum is different, then the copy is corrupt. |
| 04:40.02 | IamEthos_ | okay, apparently my sources.list file sucks |
| 04:40.10 | brendonjt | thanks for that |
| 04:40.14 | IamEthos_ | cn anyone show me where to find a good one? |
| 04:40.16 | Yggdrasil | i just thought u had to put the printername on there.. kind of like a smb share |
| 04:40.16 | Yggdrasil | hmm.. |
| 04:40.23 | IamEthos_ | for some reason I can't find flashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:40.27 | IamEthos_ | but everyone else can |
| 04:40.40 | JordiGH | IamEthos_: Did you add the non-free section to your sources.list? |
| 04:40.48 | beardy | That's a brave statement. |
| 04:41.50 | IamEthos_ | JordiGH: would that be adding non-free to the deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 04:41.56 | IamEthos_ | line |
| 04:42.24 | JordiGH | Yes. And did you aptitude update after you added that line? |
| 04:42.37 | brendonjt | brb soon |
| 04:42.48 | JordiGH | !brb |
| 04:42.48 | IamEthos_ | JordiGH: I did apt-get update... samething? |
| 04:42.48 | dpkg | jordigh: brb, too. Be Right Back |
| 04:43.27 | JordiGH | IamEthos_: Yes, same thing. Hm. I'm not sure if the non-free player is in stable, though. |
| 04:43.42 | JordiGH | !flash |
| 04:43.43 | dpkg | methinks flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 04:45.09 | JordiGH | !away |
| 04:45.09 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 04:45.50 | beardy | jack_wyt: Stop that. |
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| 04:47.00 | JordiGH | beardy, are you a DD? |
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| 04:49.15 | basscr | beardy: i cant get my laptop's display working :(! something else i have to configure? |
| 04:50.27 | beardy | JordiGH: No. |
| 04:50.49 | beardy | basscr: What does it actually say when you try to start it? |
| 04:51.06 | beardy | basscr: Look in the log, for EE lines. |
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| 04:54.06 | beardy | !noscreensfound |
| 04:54.07 | dpkg | somebody said noscreensfound was probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 04:54.56 | beardy | !troubleshooting x |
| 04:54.56 | dpkg | To troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to fix it. Ask me about "x md5sum" |
| 04:55.51 | beardy | basscr: So, look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log for the (EE) line(s). |
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| 04:56.16 | chewy | is there any way i can run code when iptables posts an event |
| 04:56.35 | chewy | using info in the event |
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| 05:05.05 | JordiGH | Hm. Not getting very good framerates with Nexuiz, although Cube works very well. :-/ |
| 05:05.27 | CHodapp | I used to play Nexuiz... |
| 05:05.33 | CHodapp | Was a great multiplayer game |
| 05:06.07 | JordiGH | CHodapp: I'm using the proprietary nvidia driver. Any idea why my framerates suck? |
| 05:07.01 | CHodapp | Hrm. Does it seem to acknowledge the 3D hardware? Can you see anything in the startup logs about using software rendering? |
| 05:08.14 | beardy | JordiGH: Check the settings of the game, is it using a software renderer, as CHodapp said? |
| 05:08.44 | CHodapp | sometimes the game settings will be fine but the game won't use hardware rendering, even if glxgears (for instance) does it just fine |
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| 05:08.51 | CHodapp | I think I actually had that problem with Nexuiz specifically |
| 05:09.18 | CHodapp | it listed what looked like glxinfo's output but it had software rendering listed . . . yet if I ran glxinfo manually it would be hardware rendering |
| 05:09.59 | JordiGH | Lemme see... |
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| 05:12.30 | JordiGH | Aye. I can't understand its output. There's tons of stuff about OpenGL and my hardware seems to get mentioned there. |
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| 05:15.02 | CHodapp | JordiGH, look for "direct" or "indirect" GLX |
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| 05:15.44 | JordiGH | Neither seems to show up. |
| 05:16.11 | CHodapp | grep 'direct' maybe? |
| 05:16.17 | JordiGH | Grepped. |
| 05:16.19 | JordiGH | Not found. |
| 05:16.31 | CHodapp | what about 'glx'? |
| 05:16.51 | JordiGH | No. :-( |
| 05:18.46 | basscr | beardy: the (EE) lines on the xfree86.0.log file are the errors? what about the (--) lines or th (**) ones, are those ok? (sorry for my ignorance) |
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| 05:21.01 | streuner_ | basscr: what kind of laptop do you have? |
| 05:21.34 | basscr | an acer travelmate 330 (a little old) pentium II |
| 05:21.50 | JordiGH | Hm. It seems that my computer isn't fast enough to do lighting. Turned off some lighting effects and got a decent framerate. |
| 05:22.16 | AceSmythe | hm? |
| 05:22.21 | basscr | my xserver doesnt start |
| 05:22.25 | streuner_ | basscr: sarge? |
| 05:22.39 | basscr | yeap, i cant figure out the resolution :( |
| 05:22.48 | streuner_ | basscr: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 05:24.28 | JuNiOx | i've a big text file... and i want add a "[text]" word on each first line... does anyone know how do it? i've tried "sed" command without success... |
| 05:24.34 | streuner_ | Did you try 'VESA' yet? |
| 05:25.28 | basscr | streuner: 0000:01:00.0 VGA Compatible COntroller: Trident Microsystems Cyber 9595 (rev49) (prog-if 00[VGA]) |
| 05:25.50 | basscr | streuner_: i have already try vesa |
| 05:25.56 | streuner_ | and? |
| 05:26.02 | basscr | no luck |
| 05:26.17 | streuner_ | hm, is the videocard supported by xorg? |
| 05:26.22 | basscr | when i startx it seems it trys to load the screen |
| 05:26.36 | basscr | but then it comes back to console |
| 05:27.17 | JordiGH | JuNiOx: Each first line? What do you mean by that? |
| 05:27.17 | basscr | and in my log the only (EE) lines are in the mouse section (because i havent configure well the touchpad), but it affects the display |
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| 05:27.42 | basscr | streuner_:no xorg, i'm using xfree86 |
| 05:28.00 | JordiGH | JuNiOx: A query replace in Emacs is unfeasible? |
| 05:28.01 | JuNiOx | JordiGH, sorry, the first work of each line |
| 05:28.12 | JuNiOx | word * |
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| 05:28.37 | JordiGH | JuNiOx: Hm. Replace the first word of each line, regardless of what it is, with a different word? |
| 05:29.48 | streuner_ | basscr: http://muted.org/acer/ |
| 05:29.51 | JuNiOx | there is a file .. and each line there is a news, so i want add "[news of the day]" in each line |
| 05:30.52 | JuNiOx | i wanna add a word, not replace, do you know? |
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| 05:31.13 | JordiGH | In Emacs, M-x query-replace, then hit C-j, enter, C-j [news of the day], enter, ! |
| 05:32.09 | basscr | how do i manually configure the xfree86 config file? |
| 05:32.56 | beardy | basscr: Just edit it. Make a backup of the current one first though. |
| 05:33.19 | streuner_ | basscr: $editor /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 05:34.04 | streuner_ | basscr: Did you try knoppix-Live-CD? |
| 05:34.08 | beardy | basscr: before doing what streuner_ said, 'cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /somewhereofyourchoice/' |
| 05:34.18 | JordiGH | JuNiOx: Did that work? |
| 05:35.03 | JordiGH | !nickometer JuNiOx |
| 05:35.06 | dpkg | 'JuNiOx' is 8.000% lame, jordigh |
| 05:35.28 | beardy | I think you'll get about the same. |
| 05:35.33 | beardy | !nickometer JordiGH |
| 05:35.35 | dpkg | 'JordiGH' is 8.000% lame, beardy |
| 05:35.37 | streuner_ | basscr: older version of knoppix just use xfree86, newer xorg, you could use that to see which lines knoppix find out... |
| 05:36.27 | JordiGH | beardy: I resent that. I think my nick is less lame. |
| 05:36.32 | streuner_ | basscr: if the card isn't supported by xfree86 (xorg), it uses VESA |
| 05:36.38 | enouf | basscr: apt-get update && apt-get install hwinfo ...then.. /sbin/hwinfo --monitor but an unconfigured mouse or keyboard will keep X from starting unless you explicity tell it to ignore mouse, etc |
| 05:36.53 | beardy | JordiGH: dpkg thinks not ;) |
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| 05:37.15 | enouf | hi beardy and streuner_ .. hope I'm not interfering too much |
| 05:37.22 | streuner_ | enouf: X will start, if the mouse is configured correctly or not |
| 05:37.45 | basscr | what's the difference between the XF86Config and the XF86Config-4 files? which one i have to edit? |
| 05:37.57 | streuner_ | last one |
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| 05:38.02 | beardy | streuner_: vesa is supported, what do you mean? |
| 05:38.03 | streuner_ | XF86Config-4 |
| 05:38.16 | streuner_ | beardy: knoppix |
| 05:38.31 | streuner_ | beardy: if knoppix cannot find a driver it uses VESA |
| 05:38.44 | enouf | streuner_: hrmmm .. that's news to me .. maybe the server starts but the GUI will never come up (as I recall) |
| 05:38.44 | beardy | streuner_: knoppix never uses vesa? |
| 05:38.55 | streuner_ | enouf: no |
| 05:39.10 | streuner_ | beardy: scroll up |
| 05:39.34 | beardy | streuner_: To what? |
| 05:39.39 | streuner_ | VESA is the last resort, if you cannot find a driver you try VESA |
| 05:39.56 | enouf | streuner_: no what? |
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| 05:40.21 | beardy | streuner_: Of course. And how will he see any difference between vesa and the other drivers in knoppix you mean? |
| 05:40.29 | enouf | streuner_: if the mouse protocol is wrong X won;rt start |
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| 05:40.44 | streuner_ | enouf: you see X, no matter is the protocol right (mouse) or not |
| 05:40.52 | streuner_ | no :-) |
| 05:40.55 | enouf | unless you comment soem lines in the Config file |
| 05:41.05 | basscr | so to manually edit xfree86 i edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config file? |
| 05:41.16 | streuner_ | no |
| 05:41.21 | streuner_ | XF86Config-4 |
| 05:41.24 | enouf | -4 |
| 05:41.25 | basscr | why? |
| 05:41.32 | enouf | that;'s the file |
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| 05:41.43 | tenzing_ | hi i installed debian sarge and then did a dist-upgrade with the etch repo .. now x wont start .. help me |
| 05:41.48 | beardy | Because it is the file, and two people has said it. |
| 05:41.56 | streuner_ | basscr: historical reasons :-) |
| 05:42.00 | enouf | tenzing_: cut that out :-p |
| 05:42.14 | wols | tenzing_: ask a proper question |
| 05:42.30 | streuner_ | basscr: xfree switched from -3 to -4 and i think they made this change to not confuse people ;-) |
| 05:42.30 | wols | tenzing_: one we get some relevant information. like error messages |
| 05:42.51 | beardy | !drxx tenzing_ |
| 05:42.51 | dpkg | tenzing_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:43.11 | enouf | tenzing_: unless you're serious ..? In that case I apologize |
| 05:43.22 | tenzing_ | enouf i am serious |
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| 05:43.28 | enouf | ok |
| 05:43.32 | beardy | tenzing_: You have gone from XFree86 to X.org. You need to create a new configuration. |
| 05:43.34 | enouf | do drxx |
| 05:43.56 | wols | beardy: shouldn't X run that by default on install? |
| 05:44.02 | tenzing_ | i did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. but it didnt help |
| 05:44.12 | streuner_ | wols: no |
| 05:44.23 | enouf | wols beardy I recall broken Font paths during that dist-upgrade |
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| 05:44.38 | wols | one more thing the xorg debconf is shitty. no surpirses there |
| 05:44.42 | beardy | wols: I don't know how xorg does, he obviously didn't get it right the first time anyway. |
| 05:44.47 | enouf | streuner_: hehe .. yet another reason for X to fail :-) |
| 05:45.24 | wols | why couldn't they simply use the old xfree86 debconf for it. couldn't have been worse |
| 05:45.40 | tenzing_ | enouf, wols, the error log says xf860openserial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
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| 05:45.56 | devicenull | whats the other "firewall" software, ipchains and? |
| 05:46.00 | beardy | !mousedev |
| 05:46.00 | dpkg | This is the driver you most likely want to use. `echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules && modprobe mousedev` .. Choose /dev/input/mice when you reconfigure X. |
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| 05:46.15 | devicenull | because for some reason my machine doesnt seem to be getting any packets |
| 05:46.16 | beardy | But that was probably not what he wanted.. |
| 05:46.27 | streuner_ | devicenull: iptables |
| 05:46.28 | enouf | tenzing_: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x (and ' noscreenfound ') .. as beardy posted earlier before you got here |
| 05:46.29 | devicenull | thx |
| 05:46.41 | beardy | devicenull: ipchains is obsolete, unless you run a 2.2 kernel |
| 05:46.46 | enouf | oh .. late again |
| 05:47.02 | wols | devicenull: iptables i s the only one |
| 05:47.18 | SkareCrow | wow, that was retarded. this celebrity paranormal |
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| 05:47.32 | SkareCrow | so fake, i belive in this shit and even i think its fake |
| 05:47.33 | enouf | streuner_: that's exactly the wrongly configured mouse example/error I was talking about ;-) |
| 05:47.41 | devicenull | yea, I removed ipchains when it said not compatible with my kernel |
| 05:47.45 | devicenull | strange it was installed by default |
| 05:48.18 | beardy | Well, it does no harm if you don't touch it.. |
| 05:49.27 | beardy | devicenull: And it's not. Is this an older than sarge installation? |
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| 05:49.58 | streuner_ | enouf: sure, but are you sure he's not using the "old" configuration? |
| 05:49.59 | devicenull | it was sarge |
| 05:50.13 | devicenull | then I went to testing |
| 05:50.31 | devicenull | weird |
| 05:50.37 | devicenull | oh well, maybe I selected it by accident |
| 05:50.43 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:50.43 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 05:52.03 | enouf | streuner_: who basscr? .. I have no idea? I was just making a general statement - apologies if I misunderstood |
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| 05:52.33 | streuner_ | enouf: tenzing |
| 05:53.22 | enouf | streuner_: oh .. well , it happened to me when I upgraded .. I had udev and hotplug issues as well (not to mention hal) .. and Font path issues |
| 05:53.51 | enouf | streuner_: I'm not sure if the old or new was used then .. can't recall |
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| 05:54.26 | tenzing_ | enouf beardy wols : that mousedev advice from dpkg worked .... thanks guys :) |
| 05:54.33 | enouf | streuner_: if he used xserver-xorg , then likely not |
| 05:54.41 | enouf | tenzing_: cool |
| 05:55.02 | streuner_ | dpkg, win streuner_ |
| 05:55.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, streuner_! You have won the US presidency! |
| 05:55.08 | streuner_ | oh no :-) |
| 05:55.13 | enouf | tenzing_: that's the major one .. I keep forgetting .. the font path issue likely ranks 2nd ..;-) |
| 05:55.21 | wols | ah. now I know who rigs diebold machines: dpkg! |
| 05:55.29 | enouf | !prize streuner_ |
| 05:55.47 | tenzing_ | enouf : its the second time i am facing the same problem .... last time it was something to do with locale .... |
| 05:55.49 | enouf | heh wols |
| 05:56.19 | enouf | tenzing_: locales .. fontpaths .. mkfontdir ... they're related :-) |
| 05:57.14 | tenzing_ | enouf i think some one should write some how-tos regarding this dist-upgrade problems .. |
| 05:57.23 | litage | when creating a debian package, if you don't need anything in a control script, is it better to not include the script, or just have an empty script? |
| 05:57.52 | enouf | tenzing_: I wish I knew exactly what the issues are .. er.. or knew enough about them .. |
| 05:58.44 | basscr | streuner_: on the site you gave me http://muted.org/acer/ he also configured a XF86Config file, where it's located? |
| 05:59.02 | basscr | or that's not necesary |
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| 05:59.35 | liable | litage: if its just for non debian distribution, do whatever you like, if its intended to be a real package, i guess the policy would cover it. |
| 05:59.54 | litage | thanks liable |
| 06:00.12 | streuner_ | tenzing_: feel free to write one (wiki.debian.org) |
| 06:00.17 | enouf | tenzing_: it's out theere but somewhat scattered and butied amongst the mass of other Xfree->Xorgh config issues -- the mailing lists and bts and news are the best alternative for that - for example Xorg69to7 has a lot of possible issues being resolved and howto |
| 06:00.28 | enouf | s/butied/buried |
| 06:00.41 | liable | litage: if you are really interested, ask in #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 06:00.59 | liable | litage: though they will prolly point you to the policy anyway :) |
| 06:01.27 | streuner_ | tenzing_: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 06:02.15 | tenzing_ | streuner_ : let me see |
| 06:02.19 | enouf | streuner_: right .. there it is , but that's not xfree to xorg |
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| 06:03.08 | enouf | though it does touch on the various possible issues |
| 06:03.11 | streuner_ | enouf: etch is in near future stable, and if someone using testing s(he) should know how to solve little problems then... |
| 06:03.28 | enouf | streuner_: yep |
| 06:03.35 | ftp3 | hello.. i am trying to make my debian machine send all mail thru our mail server instead of itself.. it has qmail installed, but as I said, i do not want to use that.. does anyone know what file(s) I modify? |
| 06:04.09 | Wyzard | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.12 | Wyzard | Tell it to use a smarthost |
| 06:04.26 | enouf | streuner_: for ex .."mousedev" isn;t mentioned once there |
| 06:04.35 | ftp3 | wyzard, will that overwrite the current qmail stuff? (which is fine) |
| 06:04.52 | Wyzard | ftp3: ah, if you're already using qmail then I dunno |
| 06:04.57 | fireba11 | ftp3: you're supposed to have a local MTA ^^ |
| 06:05.18 | litage | when i build a package, it spits out "tar: -: file name read contains nul character". why would this happen if the build command (afaik) doesn't have any null chars? |
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| 06:07.48 | ftp3 | wyzard/fireba11: I am using qmail, but I do not want it to send external mail via this server |
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| 06:08.04 | ftp3 | qmail can deliver local stuff i guess |
| 06:08.06 | liable | litage: paste that bit of the log, a good chunk either side of the error |
| 06:08.08 | ftp3 | dont care |
| 06:08.08 | godzirra | Heya guys. I've got grub installed, but when I boot, it shows lilo right after that. |
| 06:08.14 | godzirra | How do I get rid of the lilo and/or reinstall the grub? |
| 06:08.21 | godzirra | I -only- want grub |
| 06:08.26 | liable | lilo after grub? |
| 06:08.29 | godzirra | Yeah |
| 06:08.30 | godzirra | its odd |
| 06:08.31 | Wyzard | ftp3: Well, I know how to do that with exim, but I've never used qmail |
| 06:08.47 | liable | godzirra: did you install lilo to your /boot partition or something? |
| 06:08.52 | Wyzard | ftp3: Do you have qmail configured to do special non-default things? |
| 06:08.54 | godzirra | I'm not entirely sure. |
| 06:08.58 | godzirra | I just did a normal install |
| 06:09.06 | godzirra | and then tried to install lilo assuming it would overwrite grub |
| 06:09.13 | godzirra | and edited the lilo.conf and ran "lilo" |
| 06:09.15 | godzirra | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.39 | godzirra | I was having troubles with grub |
| 06:09.42 | liable | because you can :P |
| 06:09.42 | godzirra | which I've since fixed |
| 06:09.46 | godzirra | now I'm trrying to get just grub |
| 06:09.48 | godzirra | and not lilo ;p |
| 06:10.00 | liable | i had to use lilo on my older thinkpad due to weird issue with grub |
| 06:10.27 | litage | liable: are you referring to /var/log/dpkg.log ? if so, that log's only for installing, removing, etc packages, not building them |
| 06:10.29 | Wyzard | I've installed Debian on ThinkPads 770, 600E, T20, and Z60m, and never needed lilo |
| 06:10.34 | Wyzard | and the TP770 is pretty darn old |
| 06:10.36 | ftp3 | wyzard, qmail is setup to work normally, ie, send and receive email.. so, when i send an email from the server, qmail takes it and sends it directly. I want it to send the email to a proper mail server to be sent |
| 06:10.49 | godzirra | so anyone have any ideas? |
| 06:11.02 | liable | litage: no, the package building log, the stuff on your screen (ok, technically its not a log :P) |
| 06:11.18 | Wyzard | ftp3: If you're just using the default qmail configuration, it shouldn't be much of a big deal to replace it with exim |
| 06:11.27 | Wyzard | ftp3: which is Debian's default MTA anyway |
| 06:11.44 | ftp3 | wyzard, how do I do that, I am fine with exim |
| 06:11.46 | liable | Wyzard: shrug, mine had a problem with grub hanging, lilo did a little but was magnitudes better |
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| 06:12.00 | litage | liable: http://rafb.net/paste/results/f76h9z96.html |
| 06:12.03 | Wyzard | ftp3: remove qmail, install exim4 |
| 06:12.31 | ftp3 | wyzard, lmao. k.. i was hoping there was an easy way to just install exim over qmail |
| 06:12.47 | liable | litage: meh, not much info in that |
| 06:13.07 | litage | liable: yeah i know. that's why i was a bit unsure of what you were asking originally ;) |
| 06:13.47 | litage | liable: i believe it's only a warning, but i don't like warnings |
| 06:13.49 | Wyzard | ftp3: Removing one package and installing another seems pretty straightforward to me |
| 06:13.59 | ftp3 | qmail isnt a package |
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| 06:14.27 | litage | Wyzard: qmail is distributed according to DJB's awful rules, which means no binary packages |
| 06:14.34 | liable | litage: can you turn up the verbosity on buildpkg to see which file its whining about? |
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| 06:15.06 | litage | ftp3: if you stop all qmail-related processes and install exim4, your system's default mail handler will be updated to exim4 |
| 06:15.15 | ftp3 | litage, thanks |
| 06:15.32 | ftp3 | apt-get install exim4 will do it (after I turn off qmail) ? |
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| 06:16.13 | litage | ftp3: yep |
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| 06:16.45 | wols | apt/dpkg will stop qmail for you |
| 06:16.50 | wols | no need to do it manually |
| 06:16.59 | wols | unless qmail is "special" there too |
| 06:17.54 | zpn | quick question: i'm trying to write a script that creates a reverse ssh tunnel using screen. i am able to create the tunnel through screen, however i am unable to lock the screen session using the script. does anyone have any suggestion as to how i can do that? |
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| 06:18.53 | atp | hey folks, i'm looking for a good and relatively simple address book application, does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 06:18.56 | litage | liable: adding --debug to the build command doesn't give any extra info unfortunately |
| 06:19.07 | litage | atp: kaddressbook |
| 06:19.34 | liable | litage: try #debian-mentors if no one has a suggestion |
| 06:19.43 | diskus | atp: http://giesler.biz/bjoern/en/sw_addr.html this maybe? |
| 06:19.49 | atp | litage: i don't have qt installed on my system, gtk would probably be better for me |
| 06:19.56 | zpn | wsa that for me litage? |
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| 06:20.35 | atp | diskus: hm, how does it handle non-european character sets? |
| 06:20.41 | atp | lots of my contacts are chinese |
| 06:20.55 | diskus | atp: don't know I know it's simple |
| 06:20.58 | litage | zpn: nope |
| 06:21.18 | litage | thanks liable, checking #debian-mentors now |
| 06:21.37 | atp | actually, that's been a general issue so far with some of the addressbook applications i found... most of them have seperate fields for first and last name and don't have anyway to use a non-european ordering (chinese last names come first) |
| 06:22.22 | ftp3 | ok cool.. so now I am using exim.. so, how is it I make exim use another server? |
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| 06:23.09 | atp | diskus: hm, i like the interface on that one |
| 06:23.31 | litage | ftp3: read some exim docs and tutorials, and ask in #exim |
| 06:23.37 | litage | ftp3: :) |
| 06:24.05 | atp | diskus: unfortunately i don't really want to install the whole gnustep framework for just that one app :( |
| 06:24.07 | ftp3 | litage, :-) ok |
| 06:24.10 | litage | ftp3: are you setting up the mail transfer agent on a workstation, or are you setting up a real mail server (eg: smtp)? |
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| 06:24.56 | litage | atp: `apt-cache search vcard` lists several potential apps. check'em out |
| 06:25.48 | ftp3 | litage, I have a "real" mail server that needs to handle outgoing mail from this "non-real" machine :-) |
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| 06:26.27 | litage | ftp3: so you're simply looking for an app to relay mail from this "non-real" machine to your "real" mail server? |
| 06:26.40 | wols | !simplemailer |
| 06:26.45 | wols | !ssmtp |
| 06:26.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ssmtp is an extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mailhub |
| 06:27.16 | litage | wols: i was gonna suggest nullmailer |
| 06:27.28 | litage | wols: how does ssmtp compare to nullmailer? i've only used the latter |
| 06:27.47 | ftp3 | litage, yes.. i just tried "smarthost" in exim.. testing that |
| 06:28.35 | atp | litage: thanks for the tip |
| 06:28.36 | zpn | does anyone have a suggestion? |
| 06:28.39 | litage | ftp3: i highly recommend nullmailer. wols recommends ssmtp. nullmailer is extremely easy to setup and uses very few resources. exim's overkill for what you're using it for |
| 06:29.26 | basscr | no luck with the laptop |
| 06:29.37 | basscr | it doesn't want to startx |
| 06:29.41 | basscr | :( |
| 06:31.12 | litage | basscr: have you checked X's log? |
| 06:31.26 | brendonjt | basscr, :have you installed any of the dektop enviroments, ie gnome,kde |
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| 06:32.37 | wols | litage: I use postfix only |
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| 06:33.54 | fireba11 | litage ftp3 exim4 doesn't really use noticabel resources anyway if it got only mail from the local box to deliver |
| 06:34.09 | basscr | yeap, all of that, the only (EE) lines on the log points to the mouse (i've not configure it yet, it's a touchpad), but i asked, and the X should start, no matter if the mouse is configured correctly or not |
| 06:34.12 | basscr | doesnt? |
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| 06:35.26 | |ryan| | Where can I get etch floppy install images? |
| 06:35.40 | |ryan| | http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ < they are not here. |
| 06:37.20 | |ryan| | the damned dailys are broken. |
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| 06:38.23 | |ryan| | And so is the damned netboot daily. |
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| 06:39.18 | liable | |ryan|: debian.org/devel |
| 06:39.32 | |ryan| | liable: that's where i'm looking |
| 06:39.51 | |ryan| | only working images there are CDs. |
| 06:39.58 | |ryan| | I need floppy. |
| 06:40.08 | liable | |ryan|: are you saying the rc3 floppies are borked? |
| 06:40.21 | |ryan| | no, the dailys are |
| 06:40.31 | |ryan| | where are the beta 3 floppies? |
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| 06:41.08 | |ryan| | the only mention of floppy on that page refers to dailies |
| 06:41.09 | basscr | after manually configuring and saving the XF86Config-4 file, i've to make something else? |
| 06:41.33 | sep | |ryan|, i dont think floppies are built for beta3 since there was an issue with it |
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| 06:42.08 | |ryan| | well, it looks like the dailies are totaly broken |
| 06:42.26 | |ryan| | the log mentions an unmet dep. |
| 06:42.37 | |ryan| | Sarge installer isn't working, and I've had problems with apt when upgrading from sarge to etch. |
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| 06:43.23 | sep | |ryan|, is that a bug or a user error ? since it works fine for me. |
| 06:43.52 | sep | bugs should ofcouse be reported. |
| 06:44.07 | |ryan| | sep: Apt whines constantly about unverified packages. |
| 06:44.18 | sep | |ryan|, ahh user error then |
| 06:44.28 | Phated | Surely that's a public key thing? |
| 06:44.44 | Phated | For the signed packages that apt uses now from the repos. |
| 06:44.58 | sep | it's even in the topic of this channel |
| 06:45.12 | Phated | Stunning. :) |
| 06:46.26 | |ryan| | installing the debain-keyring and debian-archive-keyring packages didn't help. |
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| 06:47.20 | liable | !2006 key |
| 06:47.20 | dpkg | well, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 06:47.40 | |ryan| | does not work. |
| 06:47.49 | sparr | how can you disable the missing key warning? |
| 06:47.59 | sparr | so many repositories dont seem to have keys at all |
| 06:48.01 | liable | hrm, seems to work for everyone else |
| 06:48.14 | |ryan| | didn't work for me |
| 06:48.26 | |ryan| | I even verified that that key was on my system. |
| 06:48.28 | liable | sparr: if you use repos that dont have keys, email there maintainer |
| 06:48.36 | basscr | when i startx it gaves me this: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
| 06:48.41 | basscr | some help please |
| 06:48.50 | sparr | liable: ok, and then when they keep not having keys? |
| 06:49.08 | liable | sparr: you would have to ask them i guess |
| 06:49.10 | robin_sz | sparr, email them again? |
| 06:49.27 | sparr | blah blah |
| 06:52.45 | basscr | ¿?help |
| 06:52.50 | sep | |ryan|, are you sure you are using debian, and that you dont have any non official sources ? |
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| 06:53.04 | liable | sparr: theres a switch to avoid the warning in man apt-get, but i dont really see the point. its up to the repo people to make keys. why ask and then insult us with silly comments? |
| 06:53.25 | sparr | some repos probably dont think its worth the time |
| 06:53.35 | liable | and thats out fault? |
| 06:53.38 | sep | sparr, all official repositories have keys |
| 06:53.48 | sparr | sep: duh |
| 06:54.12 | sparr | liable: so are we just asking rhetorical questions now? </rhetorical> |
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| 06:54.22 | robin_sz | so, email them onm a daily basis until they do think its worth the time, or, ignore it .. your call |
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| 06:54.43 | liable | sparr: i think i'll just ignore you |
| 06:55.10 | sep | robin_sz, i think offering them to help set it up will get you a lot further then nagging on them until you get on their email block list |
| 06:56.14 | sparr | robin_sz: or i can use the switch that liable told me about, which is what i asked for originally. |
| 06:57.36 | robin_sz | no, he didnt tell you about it ... he told you to look in the man page, which presumably you could have guessed anyway |
| 06:57.42 | liable | basscr: is that the only error? how about further up? |
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| 06:59.18 | SkareCrow | whoah, lol... my linux box says its 6:58 AM |
| 06:59.25 | SkareCrow | how do i update the time on the box? |
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| 06:59.37 | wols | tzconfig |
| 06:59.52 | SkareCrow | ... |
| 06:59.56 | SkareCrow | doesnt exist |
| 07:00.07 | SkareCrow | i thought there was a sync command |
| 07:00.08 | SkareCrow | for the time |
| 07:00.13 | sep | SkareCrow, as root ? |
| 07:00.16 | SkareCrow | yes |
| 07:00.27 | robin_sz | ntpdate |
| 07:00.37 | robin_sz | you have ntp installed right? |
| 07:00.42 | SkareCrow | no |
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| 07:00.49 | robin_sz | try that |
| 07:00.50 | SkareCrow | i swear there was something i ran before |
| 07:00.52 | wols | SkareCrow: either you're not running debian or your lie :P |
| 07:01.01 | SkareCrow | what am i lieing about? |
| 07:01.03 | wols | *you |
| 07:01.08 | robin_sz | ntp! |
| 07:01.10 | wols | that there's no tzconfig |
| 07:01.28 | robin_sz | install ntp |
| 07:01.40 | sep | SkareCrow, when your time is off by exact houers. it's more likely a timezone problem then a clock problem. |
| 07:01.41 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:01.51 | wols | robin_sz: see what sep said |
| 07:02.08 | SkareCrow | i just updated this time not long ago |
| 07:02.14 | sep | SkareCrow, so you should ask in the support channel of whatever distro you use and figure out how tehy configuer the timezones. |
| 07:02.21 | robin_sz | if hes not running ntp (which he says hes not) then its unlikely to be off by *exact* hours |
| 07:02.23 | SkareCrow | i think that might have been before the last reinstall |
| 07:02.31 | Zinkeldonk | Anyone seen dh_link not wanting to link directories instead of files? |
| 07:02.31 | SkareCrow | wtf are you talking about |
| 07:02.34 | SkareCrow | i am running debian |
| 07:02.35 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 07:02.43 | sep | SkareCrow, if you run debian you have tzconfig |
| 07:02.46 | wols | SkareCrow: if you do, you have tzconfig, period |
| 07:02.50 | SkareCrow | skarecrow@warpedcoders:~/public_html/source$ /usr/sbin/tzconfig |
| 07:02.50 | SkareCrow | Your current time zone is set to US/Pacific |
| 07:02.50 | SkareCrow | Do you want to change that? [n]: |
| 07:02.55 | SkareCrow | i had to type in the full path |
| 07:03.05 | SkareCrow | oh |
| 07:03.09 | SkareCrow | not logged in as root right now |
| 07:03.10 | SkareCrow | :)( |
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| 07:04.08 | sep | SkareCrow, tip: using su - instead of plain su will set the paths for you. |
| 07:04.10 | Zinkeldonk | I'm trying to compile afbackup from source and it croaks on the dh_link part.... |
| 07:04.25 | Zinkeldonk | Error is: dh_link: link destination debian/afbackup/usr/share/doc/afbackup is a directory |
| 07:04.33 | wols | Zinkeldonk: afbackup is in debian |
| 07:05.13 | Zinkeldonk | Yes, but it used des and I can't use des....my existing installed base does not use des and I can't roll out new version everywhere..... |
| 07:05.31 | Zinkeldonk | s/used/uses/ |
| 07:05.37 | wols | so did you get the debian sources? |
| 07:05.37 | SkareCrow | wtf, i am pacific standard time, PST. but it says the time for pacific is 6:05AM |
| 07:05.50 | SkareCrow | unless im like 7 hours off in time this is wrong |
| 07:06.00 | Zinkeldonk | I did. And it runs thru almost without issue, until it gets to the dh_link. |
| 07:06.05 | SkareCrow | and i just might be 7 hours behind things, i find myself doing that alot |
| 07:06.10 | liable | SkareCrow: not only that, you are prolly late for work! |
| 07:06.17 | SkareCrow | i dont work |
| 07:06.32 | Zinkeldonk | There is a afbackup.links file. I tried commenting out the link to do this, but it still fails. |
| 07:06.32 | SkareCrow | i work from home, building sites and what not |
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| 07:07.19 | Skiver | hi |
| 07:07.22 | SkareCrow | see, this is going to irritate me |
| 07:07.24 | SkareCrow | http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Pacific/d/-8/java |
| 07:07.29 | SkareCrow | says its 12:07am |
| 07:07.30 | Skiver | how do i show my x-server version ? |
| 07:07.44 | SkareCrow | yes my box says |
| 07:07.44 | SkareCrow | Your default time zone is set to 'US/Pacific'. |
| 07:07.44 | SkareCrow | Local time is now: Mon Oct 23 07:05:10 PDT 2006. |
| 07:07.54 | SkareCrow | its 7 hours off |
| 07:08.03 | SkareCrow | the US doesnt even have a 7 hour time zone difference |
| 07:08.10 | SkareCrow | well if you dont include hawaii |
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| 07:09.21 | wols | SkareCrow: install ntpdate and run "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" |
| 07:09.32 | SkareCrow | it says that i live in africa |
| 07:09.37 | wols | tzconfig won't set time. all it does is set the timezone |
| 07:09.37 | SkareCrow | i would be in africa if it was 7am |
| 07:10.05 | SkareCrow | would be in Dakar africa |
| 07:10.12 | wols | and your box currently runs on GMT. which means you made a wrong choice when installing: you told the installer your hardware clock runs at GMT when it doesn't |
| 07:10.26 | wols | not Dakar. London, GMT |
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| 07:11.18 | Skiver | any help on showing x-server version ? |
| 07:11.20 | SkareCrow | it says its 8am in london |
| 07:11.35 | SkareCrow | then wtf im confused, cause this thing says PDT |
| 07:11.38 | SkareCrow | but you say GMT |
| 07:12.05 | SkareCrow | PDT = GMT - 7 |
| 07:12.06 | ChaosR | how do you reconfigure the xserver (XFree86) again? |
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| 07:12.43 | Skiver | ChaosR, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:13.03 | ChaosR | my screen is continuesly flashing, and can't start links, and irssi-text is the only thing that works atm |
| 07:13.11 | ChaosR | and the terminal, of cours |
| 07:13.19 | SkareCrow | reboot |
| 07:13.20 | SkareCrow | ;) |
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| 07:13.40 | wols | SkareCrow: london currently does NOT run at GMT. we're still in daylight savings time... |
| 07:13.43 | ChaosR | no, i did 2 things wrong in configuring it |
| 07:13.54 | wols | SkareCrow: do what I told you |
| 07:13.58 | SkareCrow | im working on it |
| 07:14.02 | SkareCrow | it still says 0% |
| 07:14.05 | SkareCrow | idk wtf its doing |
| 07:14.34 | hollo | hi.. anyone has some experience about postfix.. i suddenly gets a lot of errors when i add a transport = psgsql:/etc <- lookup.. |
| 07:14.58 | wols | hollo: /etc is a directory, not a postgres db... |
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| 07:15.23 | hollo | wols, was just an example.. it points to a file which used to be valid |
| 07:15.36 | SkareCrow | ChaosR: have you tried restarting to see if it would fix the problem though? |
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| 07:15.41 | hollo | wols, with correct postgres information about table and so |
| 07:15.58 | twev | my dial up starts automatically when i boot my machine, any ideas on how to stop this? |
| 07:16.20 | hollo | dict_pgsql: cannot set |
| 07:16.21 | hollo | the encoding to LATIN1, skipping localhost <- also this error is new to me.. never seen em before |
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| 07:16.31 | ChaosR | SkareCrow: it won't help |
| 07:16.33 | wols | twev: don't use demand dialing and/or edit your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:16.44 | ChaosR | SkareCrow: and yes, tried it already |
| 07:16.59 | SkareCrow | alright, ntpdate worked |
| 07:17.14 | wols | twev: postfix-pgsql is installed |
| 07:17.16 | twev | wols: ok what should i look forin /etc... |
| 07:17.24 | wols | SkareCrow: this is a workaround, this is not a fix! |
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| 07:17.40 | wols | SkareCrow: either run your hwclock on GMT or tell debian you aren't |
| 07:17.49 | twev | wols: what? |
| 07:18.04 | ChaosR | i'll try to reboot now |
| 07:18.06 | ChaosR | brb |
| 07:18.11 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:18.11 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:18.23 | wols | twev: missed a "?". Is it installed? |
| 07:18.26 | SkareCrow | how do i change that wols? |
| 07:18.46 | twev | wols: i don't know |
| 07:18.48 | wols | twev: also "psgsql" is very wrong. no such thing. it's pgsql |
| 07:18.59 | wols | twev: L |
| 07:19.05 | wols | twev: http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html |
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| 07:19.31 | wols | SkareCrow: some /etc/ config file I can't remember. look into /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh It should mention it |
| 07:19.42 | liable | @curse ipw3945 |
| 07:19.45 | ravenbird | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ipw3945 ! |
| 07:20.05 | cydork | liable: still fighting with that?? |
| 07:20.12 | wols | SkareCrow: /etc/default/rcS |
| 07:20.39 | SkareCrow | # Set UTC=yes if your system clock is set to UTC (GMT), and UTC=no if not. |
| 07:20.40 | SkareCrow | UTC=no |
| 07:20.41 | twev | wols: what does that have to do with my dial up starting on boot |
| 07:21.08 | liable | cydork: well, yeah, i havent really mucked with it lately, and seeing as i reboot rarely, i forget about it. also i dont want to start it with init |
| 07:21.10 | wols | twev: oops. wrong nick then. I already told you, /etc/network/interfaces and/or pppd demand dialing |
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| 07:21.15 | ChaosR | back |
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| 07:21.40 | Kyuss | whats a good channel to go to for advice about computer hardware? |
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| 07:21.49 | wols | hollo: psgsql us wrong. read the postfix postgres howto at postfix.org |
| 07:21.50 | ChaosR | and it still hasn't stopped :( |
| 07:21.55 | SkareCrow | #hardware ? |
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| 07:22.01 | liable | Kyuss: #hardware |
| 07:22.02 | wols | hollo: have you installed #postfix-pgsql? |
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| 07:22.28 | twev | wols: lol that confused the hell out of me, in my /etc/... what should i look for? should i just comment out the ppp0 entries? |
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| 07:22.36 | wols | cydork: unfortunately it's the best laptop chipset/cpu right now that almost always comes with it |
| 07:22.39 | SkareCrow | wols: did you see this? |
| 07:22.39 | SkareCrow | # Set UTC=yes if your system clock is set to UTC (GMT), and UTC=no if not. |
| 07:22.39 | SkareCrow | UTC=no |
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| 07:23.07 | wols | SkareCrow: hwclock --show |
| 07:23.10 | wols | what does it say? |
| 07:23.18 | liable | wols: with the shittiest *cough* open source *cough* driver :) |
| 07:23.31 | wols | locke: those are the breaks :) |
| 07:23.35 | SkareCrow | wols: |
| 07:23.36 | SkareCrow | warpedcoders:/home/skarecrow/public_html/source# hwclock --show |
| 07:23.36 | SkareCrow | Mon 23 Oct 2006 12:23:20 AM PDT -0.601290 seconds |
| 07:23.46 | SkareCrow | but i already used ntpdate to update |
| 07:23.47 | ChaosR | bah, what did i do wrong |
| 07:24.00 | wols | SkareCrow: best go in BIOS and check there |
| 07:24.11 | SkareCrow | maybe later |
| 07:24.20 | SkareCrow | it shouldnt be changed? |
| 07:24.25 | SkareCrow | unless the power outage we just had caused it |
| 07:24.34 | liable | SkareCrow: most likely your bios is or isnt set to gmt and your os thinks the opoosite |
| 07:24.43 | wols | if your BIOS runs at UTC and you have UTC=no set, then hwclock isn't corrected, leaving you witht he 7h difference |
| 07:24.47 | SkareCrow | cause our power went out for around 7 hours |
| 07:24.52 | SkareCrow | whitch is the same time the clock was off |
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| 07:24.58 | wols | no. hardware clock has a battery |
| 07:25.02 | SkareCrow | yea |
| 07:25.06 | SkareCrow | but maybe that battery is dead |
| 07:25.10 | SkareCrow | o wait, its ahead |
| 07:25.11 | wols | and I doubt it was exactly 7h |
| 07:25.16 | liable | SkareCrow: where do you live? |
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| 07:25.22 | SkareCrow | its +7 of the current time. if that was the case it would be -7 |
| 07:25.22 | liable | exactly |
| 07:25.22 | wols | if it's dead you'd have a date in 1980 or 2001 or whatever |
| 07:25.33 | SkareCrow | liable: i live in washington state |
| 07:25.50 | liable | SkareCrow: and the clock is exactly 7 hrs out? |
| 07:25.56 | SkareCrow | yea |
| 07:25.58 | SkareCrow | was |
| 07:26.12 | wols | SkareCrow: the 7 hours means it's a gmt thing. no other possibility |
| 07:26.12 | SkareCrow | i would be in dakar africa if that time was right |
| 07:26.25 | ChaosR | now, can someone help me fixing the xserver (again) |
| 07:26.30 | SkareCrow | i dont get it |
| 07:26.35 | wols | !fix ChaosR |
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| 07:26.40 | liable | SkareCrow: funny, washington is -7 gmt :) |
| 07:26.43 | SkareCrow | cause it just says US//Pacfic - 07:00:00 AM |
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| 07:27.06 | hollo | wols, we.. i have got everything to work.. and im so sure it with the same configuration.. so i thought it was a bug in postfix testing release? everything works until i set transport_maps = pgsql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf |
| 07:27.11 | liable | SkareCrow: oh, so its 7 in the wrong direction? |
| 07:27.13 | SkareCrow | no its not, washington is -8 GMT |
| 07:27.16 | SkareCrow | i thought |
| 07:27.25 | wols | hollo: answer my question |
| 07:27.25 | liable | SkareCrow: depends on daylight saving |
| 07:27.39 | hollo | then i get some errors with dist_pgsql and table lookup.. but i have the feeling that table lookup in only a following problem |
| 07:27.42 | ChaosR | bah bah bah |
| 07:27.44 | hollo | wols, yes |
| 07:27.45 | SkareCrow | Darkar africa is 1 hour difference from london |
| 07:27.49 | wols | hollo: then do it |
| 07:27.50 | SkareCrow | isnt london GMT? |
| 07:27.56 | ChaosR | SkareCrow: no |
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| 07:28.03 | hollo | wols, i have installed postfix-pgsql |
| 07:28.09 | wols | SkareCrow: I already told you: london has daylights saving too |
| 07:28.16 | SkareCrow | i dont know much about time |
| 07:28.19 | wols | GMT does not |
| 07:28.19 | SkareCrow | time is stupid if you ask me |
| 07:28.24 | cydork | wols: london has daylights?? :P |
| 07:28.28 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 07:28.30 | liable | hah |
| 07:28.32 | wols | cydork: above the fog |
| 07:28.40 | liable | cydork: a very dull version of it :) |
| 07:28.46 | SkareCrow | time is to complicated |
| 07:28.47 | ChaosR | ARGGG, this is very annoying |
| 07:28.50 | SkareCrow | i wish it was the same time for everyone |
| 07:29.03 | liable | thats would be great! .. not |
| 07:29.08 | SkareCrow | why not? |
| 07:29.19 | wols | SkareCrow: then tell God not to make a globe next time but a flat earth. saves on burnings at the stake too |
| 07:29.38 | liable | i dont really want to get started, i remember having a protracted argument in here about this before |
| 07:29.41 | SkareCrow | i dont belive in that God person eaither |
| 07:29.52 | wols | ok, then tell it to the FSM |
| 07:30.02 | SkareCrow | they wont do it now |
| 07:30.14 | SkareCrow | cause its already done and over with, they would confuse the hell out of people |
| 07:30.19 | SkareCrow | but people like me are already confused |
| 07:30.36 | liable | SkareCrow: gmt is really quite simple |
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| 07:30.47 | wols | Triona: use FAT, and you're rid of all those pesky permmission thingies. can't blow away them better than that |
| 07:30.47 | SkareCrow | alright i understand GMT |
| 07:30.55 | SkareCrow | but day light savings |
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| 07:30.59 | SkareCrow | how time changes all the time |
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| 07:31.17 | SkareCrow | one day its 7am then the 24 hours later its 8am |
| 07:31.18 | Triona | wols: ROFL |
| 07:31.20 | wols | SkareCrow: blame the ecliptic |
| 07:31.21 | liable | SkareCrow: thats due to, you know, how the earth is tilted and summer and winter and stuff |
| 07:31.43 | ChaosR | SkareCrow: some guy tought it would save daylight, allowing people to work longer |
| 07:31.45 | fireba11 | SkareCrow: daylight savings, as the name implements, was invented to save power ... it didn't work at all but we still got it ^^ |
| 07:32.01 | wols | also lead to abominations like Tropic of Capricorn. Taht ecliptic is really evil |
| 07:32.02 | liable | fireba11: interesting idea |
| 07:32.06 | SkareCrow | well that gay just confuses me and gets everyone late for work |
| 07:32.13 | SkareCrow | guy* |
| 07:32.15 | SkareCrow | :) |
| 07:32.22 | wols | SkareCrow: you don't work anyways so why do you bother? |
| 07:32.27 | liable | SkareCrow: but you get to sleep in when it finishes!~ |
| 07:32.30 | SkareCrow | i use to work |
| 07:32.38 | SkareCrow | i work from home, i have clients |
| 07:32.58 | SkareCrow | i have to finish projects by certain times, i have to use time managment |
| 07:33.07 | SkareCrow | kinda hard to use it when the hours change on you out of no where |
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| 07:33.49 | liable | SkareCrow: no shit, one state here has it, the next doesnt, there is a town split in half by the states, and it causes all sort of problems |
| 07:33.54 | ChaosR | now, can someone help me, i've a new debian installation, and i aptituded complete X11. now the screen flashed continuesly |
| 07:33.55 | liable | SkareCrow: but, thats life |
| 07:34.08 | ChaosR | flashs* |
| 07:34.10 | SkareCrow | i have a question, it confuses me |
| 07:34.26 | SkareCrow | if you head EAST from the US time keeps going |
| 07:34.30 | wols | ChaosR: which screen? GUI or console? |
| 07:34.41 | SkareCrow | but if you head WEST time automatically jumps 12 hours once you hit a certain spot |
| 07:34.45 | ChaosR | wols: still console |
| 07:35.01 | wols | ChaosR: do you use framebuffer? |
| 07:35.05 | ChaosR | wols: it flashs about every 5 seconds |
| 07:35.08 | liable | SkareCrow: um, no, its goes evenly either way |
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| 07:35.31 | liable | SkareCrow: anyway, your bios is set to gmt, change it |
| 07:35.35 | ChaosR | wols: when it does, it does nothing, not register keys, etc |
| 07:35.41 | SkareCrow | did it switch by itself? |
| 07:35.44 | wols | answer my question |
| 07:35.49 | ChaosR | wols: the flash takes about 1 seconds |
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| 07:36.19 | ChaosR | wols: i think not, i did not put it on, so it should be off |
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| 07:36.43 | SkareCrow | so if 2 people walked seperate ways at the same amount of speed, the dude heading EAST would have a longer time then the dude going WEST |
| 07:36.55 | liable | !lart SkareCrow |
| 07:36.55 | ChaosR | wols: i guess wdm wants to launch, but can't, because the xserver isn't working (as always) |
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| 07:37.02 | liable | meh |
| 07:37.03 | cydork | ChaosR: so you are in tty? |
| 07:37.16 | liable | when did that get so lame? |
| 07:37.21 | ChaosR | cydork: what do you mean? |
| 07:37.23 | liable | !factinfo lart |
| 07:37.23 | dpkg | lart -- created by Guerin <n=magpie@60.197.208.47> at Sat Dec 24 16:05:04 2005 (302 days). |
| 07:37.28 | SkareCrow | the dude heading WEST would be heading into the feature, while the dude heading EAST would be heading into the past |
| 07:37.32 | wols | fbset --show |
| 07:37.48 | SkareCrow | he would be heading into the feature when he is actually going backwards in time |
| 07:38.10 | fireba11 | SkareCrow: you're not making any sense at all |
| 07:38.15 | cydork | ChaosR: check what wols said.. |
| 07:38.33 | ChaosR | cydork:kk |
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| 07:38.45 | liable | fireba11: its ok, i phoned the institution, they should pick him up soon :) |
| 07:38.47 | SkareCrow | yea, it makes sense. cause say im traveling at the same rate it takes time to travel |
| 07:38.50 | Xteven | can I use ftp for security.debian.org ? |
| 07:39.00 | ChaosR | fbset: command not found |
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| 07:40.30 | SkareCrow | if i traveled at the same speed it takes time to change, it would always be that time |
| 07:40.53 | SkareCrow | i would travel with 3AM, so it would always be 3AM |
| 07:41.02 | ChaosR | SkareCrow: only if you travel with the speed of light |
| 07:41.26 | SkareCrow | if i traveled at the speed of light it wouldnt take me 24 hours to go around the earth |
| 07:41.48 | SkareCrow | would it? does time really travel at the speed of light? |
| 07:41.51 | ChaosR | SkareCrow: then no, but you could be in the 3AM-4AM |
| 07:42.07 | liable | SkareCrow: thats not the speed of light, its the speed the earth rotates... |
| 07:43.01 | SkareCrow | wtf, if the earth was rotating i would have to walk WEST to stay with the same time |
| 07:43.06 | ChaosR | liable: you can't be continuesly have the same time, but if you would pass each timezone in 1 hours you could always be in the 3am-4am part of earth |
| 07:43.11 | SkareCrow | wait, what way does earth rotate |
| 07:43.11 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 07:43.34 | ChaosR | arggg |
| 07:43.35 | SkareCrow | what ever, screw the earth and its time and stuff |
| 07:43.37 | cydork | hahah |
| 07:43.38 | liable | well, for a start the TZ's arent in proper portions of the earth anyway |
| 07:43.41 | ChaosR | i said 3 things at once |
| 07:43.52 | ChaosR | look at the grammar |
| 07:43.56 | ChaosR | :S |
| 07:44.08 | SkareCrow | liable: looking at this time zone picture the time zones are all messed up |
| 07:44.14 | SkareCrow | http://toi.iriti.cnr.it/img/timezone.gif |
| 07:44.18 | SkareCrow | if i stood one place |
| 07:44.24 | SkareCrow | and jumped to another place |
| 07:44.30 | SkareCrow | i could travel 30 minutes in time |
| 07:44.36 | ChaosR | liable: but if you would travelwith the speed of light, time around you would freeze |
| 07:44.41 | SkareCrow | or even an hour in time! |
| 07:44.43 | liable | SkareCrow: its gone way OT, lets stop before an op gives us a slap down |
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| 07:45.06 | cydork | ChaosR: it doesn't freeze, it is dilated |
| 07:45.15 | Dewi | ChaosR: only from the position of the outside observer |
| 07:45.19 | ChaosR | now, what is next? |
| 07:45.25 | Dewi | ChaosR: according to you everything else would be going fast |
| 07:45.27 | SkareCrow | liable: look at that one that goes up threw china, i could travel 3 hours in time if i went there |
| 07:45.40 | Dewi | ChaosR: oh wait... no I have that wrong |
| 07:45.46 | Dewi | ChaosR: anyway it's not that simple :P |
| 07:45.57 | liable | SkareCrow: i refuse to play the game anymore |
| 07:46.01 | ChaosR | Dewi: try to travel with the speed of light at all :p |
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| 07:46.21 | ChaosR | now, are we going to help me or not? |
| 07:46.26 | Dewi | ChaosR: it's hard on the self-esteem |
| 07:46.38 | Dewi | ChaosR: it's not easy to admit that your mass dwarfs that of the rest of the universe |
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| 07:47.17 | liable | heh |
| 07:47.19 | ChaosR | wols, cydork? |
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| 07:47.31 | Dewi | ouch |
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| 07:47.42 | cydork | ChaosR: check if you have /dev/fb* devices.. |
| 07:47.51 | dondelelcaro | ChaosR: you need to install fbset; first. |
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| 07:48.32 | dondelelcaro | and if there's another problem beesides fbset: command not found; restating it would be useful. |
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| 07:48.43 | ChaosR | how did you browse the information screen by screen, again? |
| 07:48.50 | ChaosR | i'm really not used to console |
| 07:48.50 | dondelelcaro | ChaosR: with less |
| 07:48.59 | dondelelcaro | ChaosR: or shift pageup/pagedown |
| 07:49.02 | Zinkeldonk | wols, Doh. Seems like dh_link has a valid complaint. The directory its trying to create the link to is already there. NExt question. Where is that link created? |
| 07:49.04 | liable | or shift+pgup |
| 07:49.26 | liable | for whats in buffer |
| 07:49.36 | dondelelcaro | Zinkeldonk: in the directory, generally... dpkg-deb -c will tell you for certain, though. |
| 07:49.42 | ChaosR | i have fb0 to fb7 |
| 07:50.03 | dondelelcaro | Zinkeldonk: what exactly are you using dh_link to do, though? |
| 07:50.37 | ChaosR | shift+pgup does not work :S |
| 07:50.52 | ChaosR | but anyway, i have fb* devices |
| 07:51.03 | Zinkeldonk | dondelelcaro, I'm using it as part of the afbackup build from source.... |
| 07:51.23 | ChaosR | cydork: i have them |
| 07:51.37 | cydork | ChaosR: then install fbset and run than command again |
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| 07:52.03 | Zinkeldonk | dondelelcaro, My initial question relates to building afbackup from source. |
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| 07:52.24 | dondelelcaro | Zinkeldonk: right, and which version of afbackup are you building, and what have you modified from it? |
| 07:52.54 | ChaosR | cydork: dev/fb0: no such device |
| 07:53.05 | dondelelcaro | ChaosR: that means that you don't have fb loaded. |
| 07:53.10 | dondelelcaro | (or you're not using it) |
| 07:53.13 | ChaosR | dondelelcaro: er? |
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| 07:53.29 | Zinkeldonk | dondelelcaro, I want to recompile from source because 1) it uses des and 2) we have a unique crypkey.h which needs to be generated.... |
| 07:53.30 | ChaosR | dondelelcaro: what does that mean, and how to load it |
| 07:53.38 | dondelelcaro | ChaosR: no such device means that there's no kernel interface behind that device; use modprobe or similar to load the module. |
| 07:53.38 | cydork | ChaosR: you dont need to.. |
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| 07:53.56 | dondelelcaro | ChaosR: but before doing that, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 07:54.00 | ChaosR | cydork: k |
| 07:54.10 | ChaosR | dondelelcaro: getting KDE to work |
| 07:54.40 | ChaosR | dondelelcaro: starting with getting the xserver to work |
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| 07:55.05 | ChaosR | if i do: XFree86 -configugre |
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| 07:55.08 | Zinkeldonk | dondelelcaro, the version of afbackup I got from a apt-get source afbackup. It claims 3.4, but when I do a debuild in the directory it is claiming it's looking for "expected afbackup_3.3.7.beta1.orig.tar.gz" |
| 07:55.18 | cydork | !drxx ChaosR |
| 07:55.19 | dpkg | ChaosR: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:55.29 | cydork | ChaosR: use that dont use XFree86 -configugre |
| 07:55.35 | hollo | where can i find a list of archived old deb files? i think there is a problem with postfix-pgsql-2.3.3-1 |
| 07:55.45 | dondelelcaro | Zinkeldonk: it should be looking for 3.4; what does debian/changelog say? |
| 07:55.52 | cydork | !tell hollo about sdn |
| 07:55.52 | ChaosR | cydork: already tried, does not work |
| 07:55.53 | dondelelcaro | hollo: try snapshot.debian.net |
| 07:56.00 | ChaosR | cydork: it says no screen |
| 07:56.18 | ChaosR | cydork: but when i use the configure command and than the configure file it generates, it works |
| 07:56.18 | Zinkeldonk | dondelelcaro, lemme take a gander.... |
| 07:56.29 | ChaosR | cydork: XFree86 does start |
| 07:56.31 | ChaosR | * |
| 07:56.56 | cydork | ChaosR: and what about your actual screen flashing problem? when does that happen? |
| 07:57.26 | Zinkeldonk | dondelelcaro, Ok. I looked there. The first entry in the file says this: afbackup (3.3.7.beta1-1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 07:57.30 | dondelelcaro | Zinkeldonk: just testing here with the 3.4-3 package that is in unstable and testing, it appears to build fine. |
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| 07:57.34 | ChaosR | cydork: in the console, not sure why, but the one who was helping me yesterday (a friend) said it would happen |
| 07:57.46 | dondelelcaro | Zinkeldonk: uh... what did you do to the source that you got from dpkg-source -x or apt-get source? |
| 07:57.56 | dondelelcaro | Zinkeldonk: did you patch it or something? |
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| 07:58.03 | ChaosR | cydork: and he knew how to fix it, but he disappeard |
| 07:58.23 | ChaosR | cydork: and now, i need to wait |
| 07:58.23 | hollo | cydork, sweet :) |
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| 07:58.43 | Zinkeldonk | dondelelcaro, Nope. Just did an apt-get source.....perhaps I have a creaky version. Let me re-get it and then I can get back to you. Thanks for the help. |
| 07:59.20 | dondelelcaro | Zinkeldonk: ok, well, 3.3.7.beta1 isn't in Debian, and hasn't been for a very long time. |
| 07:59.50 | dondelelcaro | since like Torsten Werner <twerner@debian.org> Thu, 13 May 2004 20:51:54 +0200 |
| 08:00.23 | Zinkeldonk | dondelelcaro, Mmmm. I wonder what's up with getting the source then..... |
| 08:00.42 | ChaosR | the weird thing is, sarge never works on this computer, only etch |
| 08:00.55 | ChaosR | and etch is unstable |
| 08:01.00 | ChaosR | so i want sarge |
| 08:01.02 | cydork | ChaosR: nope etch is testing. |
| 08:01.05 | liable | thats not so strange |
| 08:01.18 | liable | depends on hardware support |
| 08:01.26 | cydork | ChaosR: it will will be stable in dec. |
| 08:01.33 | liable | which is decided upon by the kernel |
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| 08:01.53 | ChaosR | so, i just need to download the etch netinst and try that one? |
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| 08:02.28 | cydork | ChaosR: yep, if it's not a server go for etch and it will be frozen soon anyway.. |
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| 08:03.03 | ChaosR | kk, brb (switching to winblows, windoze, sindows, whatever) |
| 08:03.13 | tonb | anyone here who know samba. i have problems with share. i can create files, directory. write to files in that share. but i can't delete files. |
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| 08:03.44 | blondie | tonb: that's impossible |
| 08:03.59 | tonb | yes. it's posibble. |
| 08:04.05 | tonb | i just have it. |
| 08:04.34 | blondie | try #samba |
| 08:04.54 | wols | ChanServ: more likely framebuffer wants to start but can't but tries again anyways |
| 08:05.00 | wols | wdm only tries once and then stops |
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| 08:06.15 | cydork | wols: stop talking to ChanServ :P |
| 08:06.41 | blondie | yeah, what a weirdo |
| 08:06.42 | blondie | ;) |
| 08:07.12 | tonb | blondie trying. ;) |
| 08:07.14 | wols | cydork: gives me a higher chance of someone answering |
| 08:07.24 | wols | and usually chanserv does what I tell it, unlike chaosr |
| 08:07.37 | cydork | wols: hahah, that's true :) |
| 08:07.50 | faked | how can I stop starting artsd with kde? |
| 08:08.13 | wols | faked: apt-get remove artsd. then nuke it from orbit. only way to be sure |
| 08:08.59 | faked | wols, there´s no artsd installed, only libartsc0 and libarts1c2a |
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| 08:09.41 | wols | then how would artsd be run if it's not installed (package is simply arts I think) |
| 08:09.53 | clietxs | how to go about makeing a 64bit pure machine support 32bit arch>? |
| 08:10.00 | clietxs | any users who may be able to help? |
| 08:10.03 | faked | wols, no: |
| 08:10.05 | faked | genius:/home/fake# dpkg -l |grep arts |
| 08:10.05 | faked | ii libarts1c2a 1.5.5-1 aRts sound system core components |
| 08:10.05 | faked | ii libartsc0 1.5.5-1 aRts sound system C support library |
| 08:10.06 | wols | clietxs: chroot |
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| 08:10.39 | faked | wols, there´s no package named arts* |
| 08:10.48 | wols | !find arts |
| 08:11.16 | wols | arts - sound system from the official KDE release |
| 08:11.40 | faked | wols, fine, but as I said before, the package "arts" is not installed |
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| 08:11.52 | ctr | Hallo, I have a G4 iBook and installed stable and dist-upgraded to unstable. How do I force a reconfigure X? |
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| 08:12.21 | momal | anyone know a way to can make every program (including kde/gnome/console programs) to use a specified proxy? (so all network traffic(to the internet) to be put through the proxy) |
| 08:12.40 | karsten | momal: iptables |
| 08:13.00 | wols | momal: transparent proxy howto |
| 08:13.07 | faked | wie kann ich verhindern das jedesmal wenn kde startet auch artsd startet? ich will kein artsd am Laufen haben |
| 08:13.10 | clietxs | wols: chroot? |
| 08:13.11 | karsten | momal: There are a few conventions (eg: $http_proxy) which most, but not all, applications will respect. |
| 08:13.16 | wols | !tell ctr about drxx |
| 08:13.17 | karsten | faked: English hier bitte. |
| 08:13.36 | karsten | !tell faked about de |
| 08:13.54 | faked | karsten, oh sorry, typed in the wrong channel |
| 08:14.00 | momal | karsten: will that allow me to have the programs connect through the net then connect to the proxy and request its data there.... |
| 08:14.02 | karsten | faked: ;-) Keine problem. |
| 08:14.12 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.18 | karsten | momal: what wols said. |
| 08:14.21 | blondie | !tell karsten about de |
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| 08:14.38 | blondie | karsten: you said german words :O |
| 08:14.40 | wols | !tell karsten about proper german grammar |
| 08:14.48 | karsten | wols: Hush, sweetie. |
| 08:14.54 | blondie | !tell wols about proper English grammar |
| 08:14.57 | karsten | blondie: No I didn't. Ask any german. |
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| 08:15.02 | karsten | blondie: enough. |
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| 08:15.15 | tralala | !botabuse |
| 08:15.15 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 08:15.21 | blondie | :O |
| 08:15.26 | clietxs | wol: how do you varify your platform is 64bit pure? |
| 08:15.40 | karsten | blondie: ... slightly used. |
| 08:15.40 | blondie | o.o |
| 08:15.48 | blondie | ewww |
| 08:16.12 | karsten | blondie: It's _just_ mascara. Sheesh! |
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| 08:16.43 | wols | karsten: there is no whitish or yellowish mascara! |
| 08:16.53 | karsten | wols: Hush! |
| 08:16.53 | enouf | hehe |
| 08:16.57 | cydork | hahha |
| 08:17.00 | karsten | wols: And it's green, anyhow. |
| 08:17.01 | enouf | ewwww |
| 08:17.24 | karsten | wols: Well, it'snot black, at any rate. |
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| 08:17.35 | BucWheat | hi all how do i upgrade to mysql 5 in sarge? |
| 08:17.45 | cydork | BucWheat: use backports |
| 08:17.47 | wols | !tell BucWheat about backports |
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| 08:20.21 | Sargun | how do you add an application to start-up during start-up |
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| 08:21.02 | cydork | !tell Sargun about startup |
| 08:21.13 | karsten | Sargun: sysvinit |
| 08:21.23 | cydork | Sargun: or you mean like when gnome starts?? |
| 08:21.37 | Sargun | Is there an automated tool to do that? |
| 08:21.40 | Sargun | I hate ln |
| 08:21.55 | karsten | Sargun: vi |
| 08:22.00 | Sargun | lol |
| 08:22.05 | Sargun | cp too, right? |
| 08:22.05 | tenzing_ | !mousedev |
| 08:22.06 | dpkg | This is the driver you most likely want to use. `echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules && modprobe mousedev` .. Choose /dev/input/mice when you reconfigure X. |
| 08:22.26 | Sargun | o.O? |
| 08:22.27 | cydork | Sargun: man update-rc.d :P |
| 08:22.32 | tralala | Sargun, man update-rc.d and look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 08:23.06 | Sargun | err, nevermind, this is CentOS no wonder it doesn't have update-rc.d |
| 08:23.18 | Sargun | I thought update-rc.d was standard |
| 08:23.24 | Sargun | sorry |
| 08:23.33 | cydork | !knife Sargun |
| 08:23.41 | Sargun | lol |
| 08:23.54 | cydork | damn i forgot the factoid name :P |
| 08:23.59 | tralala | !sacrifise Sargun |
| 08:24.01 | tralala | ;) |
| 08:24.18 | tralala | oh, I guess I can't spell |
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| 08:25.31 | Sargun | lol |
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| 08:28.17 | Kyuss | is there a channel for C programming? |
| 08:28.19 | amphi | !pal Sargun |
| 08:28.24 | amphi | Kyuss: #c |
| 08:28.26 | Sargun | -_- |
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| 08:34.16 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:34.17 | dpkg | methinks qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 08:34.49 | liable | actually a very good quote |
| 08:35.02 | tralala | tab tab tab |
| 08:35.17 | liable | coke coke coke?? |
| 08:35.47 | wols | AceSmythe: ##c# |
| 08:35.52 | wols | cydork: |
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| 08:37.15 | metellius | is there a way to list all installed packages sorted by package size? |
| 08:37.48 | Guerin | metellius: interestingly enough, there is |
| 08:37.50 | Guerin | !ds |
| 08:37.50 | dpkg | methinks ds is a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
| 08:38.00 | metellius | thank you |
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| 08:38.22 | cydork | metellius: or dpkg-query and sort :P |
| 08:38.39 | liable | amazingly, my own cooking is making my mouth water |
| 08:39.03 | karsten | liable: Does it ring a bell? |
| 08:39.27 | BucWheat | what does mysql-dfsg-5.0/ mean on the backports.org? Mainly the dfsg? |
| 08:39.29 | liable | karsten: no, its spaghetti |
| 08:39.41 | karsten | !dfsg |
| 08:39.41 | dpkg | somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 08:39.51 | karsten | liable: Sorry, couldn't help myself. |
| 08:39.53 | cydork | liable: spaghetti with? |
| 08:39.55 | karsten | liable: Pavlovian response and all. |
| 08:40.08 | karsten | cydork: No. Spaghetti noodles. |
| 08:40.24 | liable | cydork: mince and assorted bits and pieces |
| 08:40.29 | Guerin | man |
| 08:40.34 | Guerin | a duck is a fatty bird |
| 08:40.34 | karsten | Guerin: I hope your warm duck likes that sallid. |
| 08:40.41 | karsten | salad, even. |
| 08:40.42 | liable | Guerin: way to out do me.. |
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| 08:41.02 | Guerin | this duck is profit from a seafood party I had a couple nights ago |
| 08:41.11 | Guerin | instructions to guests were: bring seafood and beer |
| 08:41.11 | cydork | eww |
| 08:41.20 | Guerin | someone bought a duck |
| 08:41.26 | BucWheat | thanks |
| 08:41.31 | liable | brought |
| 08:41.32 | karsten | Guerin: Did that count as seafood or beer? |
| 08:41.39 | Guerin | we made a profit of one duck, 12 beers and a bottle of wine |
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| 08:41.53 | Guerin | karsten: well ... ducks *can* live in the sea |
| 08:42.08 | karsten | Guerin: They can also live in beer ; -) |
| 08:42.10 | Guerin | interestingly, the same person who mistook a duck for seafood also mistook wine for beer |
| 08:42.18 | cydork | karsten: so can i :P |
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| 08:42.24 | Guerin | mmm, beer |
| 08:42.29 | karsten | Guerin: Clearly a misfit among friends. |
| 08:42.35 | karsten | Guerin: Too high class for you ;-) |
| 08:42.36 | liable | heh, i like that person without even meeting it |
| 08:42.42 | Guerin | i contributed four fish I caught the night before, and some mussels |
| 08:42.43 | karsten | Guerin: Or was this NZ wine? |
| 08:42.59 | Guerin | karsten: it was, and in fact this person knows nothing about wine I didn't teach him |
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| 08:43.05 | Guerin | for I was once a wine merchant |
| 08:43.11 | Guerin | buyer, taster, etc. |
| 08:43.45 | karsten | Guerin: I spent three years in Napa valley. |
| 08:43.52 | karsten | Guerin: ... and drank ... |
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| 08:43.55 | karsten | ... of wine ... |
| 08:43.57 | Guerin | karsten: just living there, or in the trade? |
| 08:44.00 | karsten | ... very, very, very little. |
| 08:44.02 | Guerin | much wine |
| 08:44.09 | Guerin | i'm surprised you're not bankrupt |
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| 08:44.15 | Guerin | well, maybe you are. |
| 08:44.29 | Guerin | but man, if there was ever an inflated wine market, that was it. |
| 08:44.29 | karsten | Admin for a wine-oriented web-agency. Lot of winery / B&B hosting. |
| 08:44.30 | liable | well, maorally i could see |
| 08:45.09 | Guerin | mayorally? |
| 08:45.11 | Mazingaro | please, how can I load cgi-bin pages with mozilla? |
| 08:45.14 | karsten | Guerin: Most of what I collected at the time was 1). Two-buck Chuck, 2). Given or gained for free, or 3). other inexpensive stuff through Trader Joe's. |
| 08:45.16 | Guerin | Karsten For Mayor! |
| 08:45.25 | liable | moarally? |
| 08:45.34 | karsten | Mazingaro: Enable cgi + whatever interpreters are required, on your webserver. |
| 08:45.37 | liable | karsten for king of china? |
| 08:45.49 | karsten | liable: Sure. |
| 08:45.55 | liable | i have no doubt i spelt that wrong |
| 08:46.00 | liable | but anyway |
| 08:46.03 | Guerin | karsten: comes with all the kung pao chicken you can eat |
| 08:46.12 | Mazingaro | karsten: shall I need to run apache? |
| 08:46.21 | karsten | Guerin: Fortunately, I love kung pao chicken. Also mu shoo. |
| 08:46.23 | Tuxico | Mazingaro, apache |
| 08:46.38 | Guerin | karsten: I did a while in bars and fine dining as a somellier, then a year as a buyer for one fo NZ's most famous wine merchants |
| 08:46.48 | karsten | Mazingaro: Well, describing what you're attempting to do would help, but generally, yes, apache or another cgi-capable webserver. |
| 08:47.00 | Mazingaro | karsten: ok, thanks |
| 08:47.02 | karsten | Guerin: schwing. |
| 08:47.08 | Guerin | karsten: by happy coincidence, I got married while working there, and got my wine (italian, french and NZ) at less than cost |
| 08:47.15 | karsten | Guerin: Out here the wine market's very, very much about, well, marketing. |
| 08:47.21 | karsten | Schweet. |
| 08:47.29 | karsten | What's your thought on yellow tail? |
| 08:47.51 | liable | its OT? |
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| 08:47.58 | Guerin | karsten: tried it once in korea, was already wankered at the time but I recall it being solid |
| 08:47.59 | karsten | liable: Point. |
| 08:48.22 | liable | karsten: had to do it to you at least once for shits and giggles |
| 08:48.24 | Guerin | i understand it's undercut the market, and is single-handedly responsible for ruining the Australian wine industry |
| 08:48.24 | karsten | Guerin: It's a surprisingly drinkable inexpensive lable around here. Oz. |
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| 08:48.42 | karsten | liable: Yeah, so long as we hit the real questions. |
| 08:48.55 | karsten | Speaking of which: any Debian related questions, just ask. |
| 08:48.59 | liable | karsten: yeah |
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| 08:49.22 | NiCeBoY | hi here anyone can tell me how to change my FTP addressse when i do apt-get plz? |
| 08:49.37 | Guerin | NiCeBoY: edit /etc/apt/sources.list or install and run apt-setup |
| 08:49.43 | karsten | NiCeBoY: Um. Change what FTP address? /etc/apt/sources.list most likely. |
| 08:49.45 | Guerin | !nickometer NiCeBoY |
| 08:49.46 | dpkg | 'NiCeBoY' is 14.000% lame, guerin |
| 08:50.00 | Guerin | dpkg: your lame-o-tron is busted |
| 08:50.01 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 08:50.03 | NiCeBoY | lol |
| 08:50.13 | NiCeBoY | thx |
| 08:50.14 | Guerin | dpkg: forget your lame-o-tron |
| 08:50.14 | dpkg | Guerin: i forgot your lame-o-tron |
| 08:50.25 | Guerin | no, forget YOURS ... oh, whatever |
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| 08:50.33 | Guerin | the recursivity is about to kill me |
| 08:50.39 | Element14 | !nickometer Element14 |
| 08:50.41 | dpkg | 'Element14' is 27.000% lame, element14 |
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| 08:51.00 | karsten | Guerin: Several problems w/ the US wine industry: 1. drinkers are getting old, young 'uns don't drink much, 2. lots of hobbyists not entirely in it for the money (makes it hard for those who are) and 3). lots of corporate-owned stuff. Vivendi-Universal in particular had one of the larger US/Napa labels, Bellagio IIRC. |
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| 08:52.53 | karsten | ... or a good two-three sentence argument of same. |
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| 08:54.08 | Guerin | karsten: yeah. NZ's win industry will be there in 30 years. At the moment it's all 'OMG there's too much and we're having to cut-price it all!' or 'OMG the weather was really shit this year and crops were only 40% normal!' |
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| 08:54.15 | Mazingaro | karsten: works!!! Great!! (http://localhost/cgi-bin/apcupsd/upsstats.cgi) |
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| 08:54.35 | Guerin | karsten: and we have the same issues with hobbyists, though they're all in it for the money ... but they're still hobbyists, and it shows. |
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| 08:55.25 | Guerin | karsten: two words: software patents |
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| 08:56.54 | wols | karsten: why is "big money" bad for the wine industry? |
| 08:57.59 | wols | karsten: availability on different platforms is hard with prop. codecs. Also prop. Also you can't distribute codecs with your movie in any way means you have to hope the receiver has the codec already |
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| 09:00.37 | Trewas | though there are proprietary codecs and proprietary codecs... for example mpeg4 is not that bad since there are open source versions available, even though they are a bit iffy to distribute because of patents/licensing fees |
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| 09:07.09 | NiCeBoY | anyone know how to use usermin quota plz? |
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| 09:14.47 | jooopyme | in order to run web app under apache, what permissions the files should have? |
| 09:14.53 | |ryan| | 777 |
| 09:15.03 | |ryan| | Don't listen to me. |
| 09:15.05 | liable | whats web app? |
| 09:15.06 | jooopyme | and user and group |
| 09:15.14 | jooopyme | mono applications |
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| 09:16.10 | jooopyme | should the web files have www group? |
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| 09:16.23 | |ryan| | jooopyme: most web apps should be set 755 or 644 and owned by whatever user apache runs as. |
| 09:16.34 | jooopyme | there is a goup called www-data |
| 09:16.40 | jooopyme | should I use it |
| 09:16.41 | jooopyme | ? |
| 09:16.48 | wols | no |
| 09:16.59 | wols | only if the the app needs to change a file |
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| 09:17.09 | liable | jooopyme: make document root in a home dir, then the files can be owned by that usr |
| 09:17.10 | jooopyme | how do I check the user apache run ? |
| 09:17.10 | wols | by default the webserver runs under user www-data.www-data |
| 09:17.20 | wols | ps aux |grep apache |
| 09:18.05 | jooopyme | wols: ok its www-data |
| 09:18.26 | jooopyme | I will change the files to this group and see what happens |
| 09:18.32 | wols | not good |
| 09:19.10 | wols | make the files world readable and only allow writing to directories and files as needed via chowning them to www-data or similar |
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| 09:19.53 | jooopyme | well this don't work |
| 09:20.02 | jooopyme | the problem is more then that |
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| 09:20.14 | liable | i have never found a good doc explaining the pros and cons of apache permissions, anyone got one? |
| 09:20.17 | jooopyme | Cannot find type SimpleAspxTest.WebForm1, App_Web_tt_tq-n5 |
| 09:20.18 | Jebediah | has anybody else had probs with fonts not showing in gtk1 apps? |
| 09:20.38 | jooopyme | <%@ page language="c#" inherits="SimpleAspxTest.WebForm1, App_Web_tt_tq-n5" %> |
| 09:21.18 | jooopyme | I think I have access permission to mono libs ?! |
| 09:22.20 | liable | jooopyme: thats set in the cgi-bin bit i think. try #apache |
| 09:23.28 | jooopyme | liable: tnx |
| 09:23.57 | tarzeau | Jebediah: yes (not me). screenshot? |
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| 09:26.19 | Jebediah | tarzeau: one sec |
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| 09:27.48 | Jebediah | tarzeau, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/jebediah/Manger-20061023-022729.png |
| 09:28.28 | tarzeau | really ugly |
| 09:28.33 | Jebediah | yes |
| 09:28.43 | Jebediah | not to mention non-functional |
| 09:28.52 | tarzeau | delete .gtkrc* ? |
| 09:29.16 | Jebediah | I can try, though I've changed nothing myself... this happened with two Debian machines at the same time |
| 09:29.28 | tarzeau | try. sid? |
| 09:29.43 | Jebediah | unstable... whatever that is now |
| 09:29.58 | Jebediah | well, unstable / testing. More testing I guess |
| 09:30.46 | Jebediah | no luck on moving .gtkrc* |
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| 09:35.13 | vaq | Is there something that needs to be enabled before i can compile mport into iptables? |
| 09:36.10 | wols | vaq: what error(s) do you get? maybe a better approach |
| 09:36.27 | wols | and what exactly are you doing? |
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| 09:36.36 | vaq | wols: no errors, im not just able to find the module under netfilter in kernel compile |
| 09:37.31 | wols | CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_MULTIPORT=m |
| 09:37.32 | wols | this? |
| 09:37.40 | Niklas-_ | Not multiport, mport |
| 09:37.58 | wols | my kernel doesn't know about it here (2.6.17 vanilla) |
| 09:38.51 | Niklas-_ | Which is why he asked how to get it enabled :) |
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| 09:39.33 | wols | if something isn't in kernel: patch it |
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| 09:39.59 | Niklas-_ | We have another kernel, 2.6.17.8 where it's enabled, so it is there somewhere :) |
| 09:40.20 | liable | so grep it |
| 09:40.39 | wols | vaq: the location in your .config file should show you where to look |
| 09:41.04 | vaq | cat .config |grep mport |
| 09:41.07 | vaq | nothing. |
| 09:41.26 | wols | grep -i |
| 09:41.31 | wols | configs are uppercase |
| 09:41.32 | SlayerXP | vaq: hint: "grep -i" will make grep ignore case |
| 09:41.37 | liable | vaq: is that a previouslt copied config though? |
| 09:41.41 | Jebediah | -r = recursive |
| 09:41.42 | wols | and you just earned a useless use of cat award |
| 09:41.44 | vaq | boligserver:/usr/src/linux# cat .config |grep -i mport |
| 09:41.46 | vaq | nothing. |
| 09:42.04 | petemc | useless use of cat... |
| 09:42.06 | wols | vaq: what source version? |
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| 09:42.29 | vaq | wols: 2.6.15.7 |
| 09:42.44 | wols | vaq: why this kernel? |
| 09:43.18 | Niklas-_ | Because the iptables modules has changed name, so we need to modify all the scripts to the new names which would take half a day to do |
| 09:43.59 | wols | Niklas-_: if it's not in my 2.6.17.4 but in your 2.6.17.8 then it stands to reason that it can't be in 2.6.15.x, right? |
| 09:44.25 | wols | either patch your kernel or change your scripts or go without the feature. your choice |
| 09:44.52 | Niklas-_ | wols: the mport has been there since 2.4, and i really dont think they removed it between 2.6.15 and 2.6.17 |
| 09:45.14 | wols | then why can't you grep your 2.6.17 and see what its name is? |
| 09:45.14 | Niklas-_ | 2.4 was the first time i used it, cannot say if it's been there in 2.2 or earlier |
| 09:45.28 | wols | unlikely since 2.2 had ipchains |
| 09:45.32 | Niklas-_ | Maybe because it isn't called mport in the kernel config |
| 09:46.06 | wols | but you already have a 2.6.17 config and stuff you can see it there and even find the CONFIG name |
| 09:46.39 | wols | heck grep NETFILTER .config |less should work |
| 09:47.32 | Niklas-_ | We have an IMQ patched version of the kernel and iptables on one server. This server is running 2.6.17.8 with iptables 1.3.6, and it's working as it should. On another server we tried to compile 2.6.x and then iptables, but iptables doesn't compile the mport module since i cannot detect 'net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_mport.c' in any of our kernels. |
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| 09:49.21 | george_ | maybe that file is generated |
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| 09:51.42 | george_ | also it seems to me you could check the cvs action on iptables project itself |
| 09:52.18 | george_ | googling for ipt_mport.c could yield results |
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| 09:53.04 | george_ | the cvs action could tell you both if and why ipt_mport.c was removed |
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| 09:55.53 | hollo | i continues to have problems with postfix-pgsql even after a clean install... i have some log here http://hollo.dk/postfix_log, i hope someone will spend a second and help |
| 09:56.04 | Niklas-_ | Oh really. Then if it's removed, how come the ipt_mport.c still is in the newest iptables release? |
| 09:56.23 | george_ | did you hear me say IF |
| 09:56.25 | Niklas-_ | And how come we have it working in another installation with 2.6.17.8 and iptables-1.3.6? |
| 09:56.29 | hollo | i know i have amavisd installed.. but the problems occur even before it starts.. |
| 09:56.35 | Niklas-_ | No i did not |
| 09:56.40 | george_ | then reread |
| 09:56.57 | Niklas-_ | hmm let me see.. no? |
| 09:57.14 | george_ | george_ the cvs action could tell you both if and why ipt_mport.c was removed |
| 09:57.27 | george_ | hmm let me see... YES? :) |
| 09:57.28 | george_ | look |
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| 09:57.58 | george_ | all I'm suggesting, is that you could do a little research into the issue, from multiple sources,,, |
| 09:58.11 | george_ | it could yield results |
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| 09:58.33 | Niklas-_ | lol |
| 09:58.59 | Niklas-_ | Great, then go ahead and find just one single relative post while searching for ipt_mport.c :) |
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| 09:59.22 | george_ | not interested :) are you prepared to pay my rate? |
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| 10:00.26 | Niklas-_ | No, but i'm prepared puttying you to my ignore list.. which i for sure has done |
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| 10:01.29 | wols | hollo: your best bet ist #postfix |
| 10:01.36 | ChaosR | IT WORKS |
| 10:01.41 | ChaosR | only one problem |
| 10:01.51 | ChaosR | it installed GNOME and i want KDE |
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| 10:02.20 | ChaosR | bah |
| 10:02.38 | wols | hollo: and from the looks of it, you need the DB/tables for postgres |
| 10:02.39 | ChaosR | now, can someone explain me how to change this? |
| 10:02.44 | george_ | so remove, install |
| 10:02.47 | ChaosR | please |
| 10:02.47 | hollo | wols, i will try.. didnt know if it was a debian problem or not.. i tried to make a clean install using snapshot.debian.net, and even then the problems still occur |
| 10:02.49 | george_ | or just install |
| 10:03.10 | hollo | wols, hmm.. in the trans.cf? |
| 10:03.11 | wols | hollo: imho it's a config problem, but that's just me |
| 10:03.18 | wols | no. in the postgres database |
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| 10:04.01 | george_ | oh, he didn't load the data model? |
| 10:04.23 | ChaosR | please, someone |
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| 10:04.43 | george_ | ChaosR: so remove one, install the other... |
| 10:04.52 | george_ | or just install |
| 10:04.58 | ChaosR | apt-get install kde? |
| 10:05.05 | ChaosR | does not work |
| 10:05.10 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 10:05.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 10:05.10 | ChaosR | i need to change something |
| 10:05.14 | george_ | why? |
| 10:05.18 | ChaosR | i guess |
| 10:05.34 | ChaosR | now, how do you let the system know you want kde? |
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| 10:05.45 | wols | !tell ChaosR about grounding |
| 10:06.02 | george_ | you're not paying attention... the question is: why does it not work? |
| 10:06.02 | wols | also using the useless stuff between your ears might help |
| 10:06.26 | george_ | it's blockage at the ears which is the problem at the moment |
| 10:06.26 | wols | george_: you have to get used to it. he never answers a question. he only whines and asks them |
| 10:06.40 | george_ | ok, that's my cue to stop |
| 10:06.41 | hollo | wols, hmm.. exactly in which configuration do you mean i miss something to link to postgres? |
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| 10:06.51 | ChaosR | wols: i don't, i can't asnwer if i don't know the answer |
| 10:07.05 | george_ | ChaosR: what does it tell you? |
| 10:07.08 | wols | hollo: in the postgres database. does a tblDomainList table exist? does "mitea" exist? |
| 10:07.16 | ChaosR | now, let's test it, /me is rebooting |
| 10:08.13 | hollo | wols, ahh.. yeah boths exists... and i know that there can be some problems with postgres upper and lowercase.. and i have tried boths |
| 10:08.50 | george_ | hollo: any rows in that table? |
| 10:08.51 | wols | well, the error clearly says it can't look up the table |
| 10:09.07 | hollo | george_, yes.. one |
| 10:09.27 | george_ | maybe there is a problem of that application not contacting the database? |
| 10:10.18 | hollo | wols, its just so strange.. i have copied the same configuration during ealier installs.. and dont know where i have made a change.. i thought they was all equal.. thats why i thought it was a debian package problem.. but now i have tested that too.. so proberly back to a configuration issue |
| 10:10.31 | george_ | hollo: does it seem to you that row came from the initial loading of the data model into postgres (done to prepare pg to be used by that app)? |
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| 10:11.10 | hollo | george_, i will try to do some testing of postfix really connects to the database |
| 10:11.18 | george_ | I'd say "make sure the app successfully contacts postgres" |
| 10:11.22 | wols | it does. it's says so in the logs |
| 10:11.26 | hollo | ERROR: conversion between LATIN1 and LATIN9 is not supported |
| 10:11.29 | hollo | pgsql log |
| 10:11.38 | hollo | hmm.. think im getting closer :) |
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| 10:13.41 | ChaosR | hmm, why do they hide the the change session button :/ |
| 10:14.10 | george_ | did you get what you want? (kde I guess) |
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| 10:14.29 | ChaosR | yes |
| 10:14.41 | DutchFish | when will xen 3.0.3 make it to testing? anyone can tell me? |
| 10:15.03 | george_ | is it in unstable? |
| 10:15.08 | DutchFish | yes |
| 10:15.14 | george_ | how long has it been there? |
| 10:15.40 | DutchFish | it says: 0 of 10 days (but this is already in this state for more then 1 week) |
| 10:15.53 | george_ | what about bugs? |
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| 10:15.58 | george_ | are there any? |
| 10:16.15 | DutchFish | it changed fomr xen-3.0.3-rc1 to 3.0.3-rc4 |
| 10:16.31 | DutchFish | no bugs as far as i can see |
| 10:16.36 | george_ | so those are version uploads |
| 10:16.37 | wols | could be the partial testing freeze? or the xen maintainer doesn't want it in the soon to be etch release? |
| 10:16.56 | hollo | now i just have to find out WHY postfix wants to convert into latin9 |
| 10:17.07 | DutchFish | where can i track this package? cant find it |
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| 10:17.26 | hollo | ahh its iso8859-15 format.. |
| 10:18.31 | ChaosR | now, is someone so nice, without pointing me to google.com, to give me a way to enable my microphone, cuz it does not work, and i don't know more yet |
| 10:18.40 | ChaosR | like a new sound system |
| 10:18.42 | ChaosR | or something |
| 10:18.56 | liable | ChaosR: alsamixer, and make sure the level is up on it |
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| 10:19.43 | ChaosR | w00t, having both KDE and GNOME installed gives a lot of programs |
| 10:19.57 | DutchFish | wols, how soon will etch be released? as far as i know it will take at least months to complete |
| 10:20.02 | tenzing_ | enouf: i am geting the same error with X like in the morning in another machine ... this time it says "screen not found" .. help me .. |
| 10:20.30 | george_ | http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xen-3.0.html |
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| 10:21.20 | DutchFish | george_: as you can see at 14-10-2006 is was released in unstable |
| 10:21.33 | Element14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.42 | petemc | the what? |
| 10:21.58 | ChaosR | liable: how to get alsamixer? |
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| 10:21.58 | DutchFish | Element14: no, it is fixed in the next release 3.0.3 |
| 10:22.35 | DutchFish | Element14: this is way i am so keen to have it in etch |
| 10:22.35 | liable | ChaosR: in alsa-utils package, but gnome or kde should have some tool for doing it, look in the menu |
| 10:22.38 | george_ | and a week later another version was released (21st, 2 days ago) |
| 10:23.03 | petemc | xen from both etch and sid works fine here, apart from 2.6.17 |
| 10:23.11 | wols | DutchFish: december 2006 is the date announced so far |
| 10:23.27 | DutchFish | wols, thx. didnt know that |
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| 10:24.11 | ChaosR | w00t, my microphone actually works |
| 10:24.23 | DutchFish | george_: if nothing happens i can expect it to come in etch in 8 days? |
| 10:24.46 | Element14 | DutchFish: why can't it be fixed until the next release? is it a xen bug or a debian bug? |
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| 10:25.25 | george_ | there are 12 bugs reported |
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| 10:25.52 | george_ | so "them" rather than "it" probably :) |
| 10:26.03 | DutchFish | Element14: if my memmory is not mistaken, it was related to debian packages and also issues with mkinitramfs in relation to the hypervisor |
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| 10:27.14 | Element14 | DutchFish: i see. |
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| 10:27.23 | DutchFish | Element14: i solved it by using the amd64 net install and using the emt64 xen kernel along with the 3.0.2 hypervisor (as long as you have a 64 bit machine) |
| 10:27.54 | george_ | there are some bugs involving hypervisor, one involving a specific piece of hardware, some involving some mkramfs issue, some saying "doesn't work with kernel (someversion)", some saying "doesn't work with xen version of libc (someversion)", others |
| 10:28.29 | DutchFish | george_: the libc6 issues are solved now in etch |
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| 10:28.50 | Bushmills | DutchFish: is your nick an alias for "nieuwe haring"? |
| 10:29.04 | DutchFish | Bushmills: ay |
| 10:29.41 | Bushmills | funny |
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| 10:30.39 | DutchFish | george_: you dont need to use xen-libc6 anymore with the latest xen-hypervisors |
| 10:31.27 | TipTap | has anyone ever seen something suspicious in their auth.log for ssh for su such as "su[4943]: + ??? root:user " |
| 10:31.40 | DutchFish | george_: only problematic are the 32 bit installs of xen-3.0.2 |
| 10:31.44 | Olle | !mesa |
| 10:31.44 | dpkg | i guess mesa is the free implementation of the OpenGL API, more information is at http://www.mesa3d.org/ or ask me about 'glx' |
| 10:32.34 | george_ | Element14: is building xen hard or time-consuming? |
| 10:32.36 | DutchFish | george_: and thos eproblems will be solved in 3.0.3 |
| 10:33.19 | DutchFish | george_: on 64 bit machines it will take tops 30min to setup |
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| 10:33.37 | george_ | how does xen distribute ram? |
| 10:33.59 | Element14 | george_: i managed without much hassle. actually i only compiled the xen kernel -- the userland tools i just used the debian packages. |
| 10:34.04 | DutchFish | george_: what you mean by distribute? |
| 10:34.20 | george_ | to the indiv. vservers |
| 10:34.39 | Element14 | george_: you specify on boot through the bootloader params |
| 10:34.50 | george_ | say one vserver needs lots of ram temporarily... can it get more than it's slated for? |
| 10:34.58 | DutchFish | george_: initially it takes all mem to dom-0, it will ballon out on mem as the dom-u's will need it |
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| 10:35.13 | Skiver | !gtk |
| 10:35.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gtk is GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit, currently at version 2. Version 1 is still used and in Debian as libgtk1.2. Versions 1 and 2 are not compatible and totally separate. |
| 10:35.40 | DutchFish | george_: you do setup in comfig file and can add extra on the fly |
| 10:36.14 | george_ | DutchFish: but what about situations where some vserver needs ram and there is no admin in attendance |
| 10:36.22 | DutchFish | george_: xen doesnt have an ''overbooked" option for ram |
| 10:36.38 | george_ | so it hard-fails? |
| 10:36.45 | DutchFish | george_: you can perfectly script it |
| 10:37.06 | Element14 | DutchFish: it takes all ram to dom-0?? so this is unnecessary? "kernel /boot/xen-3.0.gz dom0_mem=400000"? |
| 10:37.24 | Skiver | hello, is anyone familiar with font settings in GTK ? |
| 10:37.54 | DutchFish | Element14: it is th ebest way because the hypervisor can than nullify it before relasing it to the dom-U's |
| 10:38.17 | george_ | I should try this thing |
| 10:38.37 | george_ | but I would need a different libc and kernel, right? |
| 10:38.47 | hollo | wtf!! |
| 10:38.56 | hollo | well i fixed the problem... |
| 10:39.08 | george_ | cool :) what was it |
| 10:39.23 | hollo | 1. installed database with iso8859-1 ... and postgres started with default port 5433... hmm.. dont know why |
| 10:39.33 | hollo | has the standard port changed? |
| 10:39.35 | DutchFish | george_: start reading at : http://www.debian-administration.org/?search=xen&go=Go |
| 10:39.38 | george_ | another pg is running? |
| 10:39.47 | hollo | hmm.. nope.. it was the default config file |
| 10:39.56 | Element14 | DutchFish: hmm... interesting. i thought that number was a hard limit.... |
| 10:40.32 | DutchFish | Element14: man xm :) |
| 10:40.48 | Element14 | Dunedan: haha ok :) |
| 10:40.59 | Dunedan | ... |
| 10:41.12 | george_ | perfect, as a matter of fact I -do- want to install it on sarge :) |
| 10:41.25 | george_ | but is 2g ram enough? |
| 10:41.36 | DutchFish | george_: look at backports.org on xen |
| 10:41.55 | george_ | hmm, I do have lots of hd space too, so that won't be a problem |
| 10:42.29 | DutchFish | george_: if you have many dom-u's cpu resources will be the main issues as is ram |
| 10:43.00 | DutchFish | george_: luckely we dont run windowns :) |
| 10:43.10 | Yggdrasil | hi guys can somone help me with cups. ive gotten it working localy on the debian box and im trying to connect to it over the lan from ubuntu but im not sure what the name of the printer is. |
| 10:43.14 | hollo | wols and george_ thanks for your time... :) ahh im so glad everything got to work again.. was a damn weird bug.. but the main issue was that i installed the database with wrong locale |
| 10:43.28 | george_ | well I do sometimes |
| 10:43.38 | george_ | gotta play the good games... |
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| 10:44.20 | DutchFish | george_: what about running windows on a xen box? it will come .... |
| 10:44.31 | george_ | hollo: very cool :) |
| 10:44.37 | zkkz | Hi, I just compiled a kernel. Bit when I run: dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.18.1, |
| 10:44.48 | george_ | DutchFish: the thing is I need all that ram and cpu for the games... |
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| 10:44.57 | george_ | especially black n white 2 |
| 10:44.59 | zkkz | i get an error: Missing required parameter 'Old' |
| 10:45.36 | george_ | zkkz: gotta feed a filename to dpkg -i |
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| 10:45.47 | george_ | (not a package name) |
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| 10:46.25 | wols | hollo: and how did that pgsql make not find the table? |
| 10:46.34 | wols | latin1 and 9 should be the same for ascii, no? |
| 10:46.44 | george_ | you can apt-get install <packagename> but you have to dpkg -i <nameOfFileContainingPackage> |
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| 10:48.09 | zkkz | george_, thats what i did, dpkg -i linux_image...1.0.deb |
| 10:48.54 | zkkz | but its giving me an error, Missing Required parameter 'Old' at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux...18.1.postinst line 393 |
| 10:49.06 | george_ | zkkz: yeah, that's right... and you got the error? |
| 10:49.15 | zkkz | yes |
| 10:49.26 | george_ | hmm, did you make-kpkg on one debian and you're now installing on another? |
| 10:49.36 | Feax-Crysis | what is the package for install gcc-c++ ? |
| 10:49.37 | Feax-Crysis | !gcc-c++ |
| 10:49.50 | zkkz | yes george_ |
| 10:49.55 | zkkz | i did the make-kpkg for the kernel |
| 10:50.08 | phogg | Feax-Crysis: g++, I believe |
| 10:50.19 | george_ | zkkz: on the same machine you're installing on? |
| 10:50.35 | george_ | Feax-Crysis: you'll probably want build-essential too |
| 10:50.50 | Yggdrasil | hi guys can somone help me with cups. ive gotten it working localy on the debian box and im trying to connect to it over the lan from ubuntu but im not sure what the name of the printer is. |
| 10:50.57 | Feax-Crysis | no george_ |
| 10:51.38 | zkkz | yes george_ |
| 10:52.40 | george_ | hmm,,, what does postinst line 393 say? |
| 10:52.49 | zkkz | its the die command |
| 10:53.02 | george_ | perl script? |
| 10:53.38 | zkkz | i guess so |
| 10:53.50 | george_ | could you show that one line |
| 10:53.57 | zkkz | ok |
| 10:54.26 | george_ | also show line 1 |
| 10:55.03 | zkkz | die "Missing Required parameter 'Old'" unless $params{'Old'}; |
| 10:55.06 | phogg | george_: I have a similar script. In the spath sub, it does unless a param named 'Old' was passed in the argument hash |
| 10:55.27 | zkkz | george_, line 1 is #! /usr/bin/perl |
| 10:55.30 | phogg | and spath() is invoked 7 times in my postinst script |
| 10:55.39 | george_ | ok, so that's definitely perl |
| 10:56.06 | george_ | so the script is being invoked improperly |
| 10:56.26 | zkkz | so then what should I do |
| 10:56.54 | george_ | damn, I dunno... I never been thru that problem before... what dist are you running |
| 10:57.02 | zkkz | debian etch on powerpc |
| 10:57.55 | george_ | have you ever built and installed a kernel this way before? on your etch? |
| 10:58.01 | zkkz | no |
| 10:58.04 | zkkz | i just got the system |
| 10:58.08 | zkkz | because i reformatted |
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| 10:58.24 | george_ | wehat did you hgave before? |
| 10:58.25 | zkkz | so i wanted to configure the 2.6.18.1 kernel |
| 10:58.37 | zkkz | 2.6. |
| 10:58.42 | zkkz | 2.6.8-3 |
| 10:58.49 | george_ | I mean, etch? debian even? |
| 10:58.54 | zkkz | no not etch |
| 10:58.58 | zkkz | i just upgraded to etch |
| 10:59.00 | george_ | sarge? |
| 10:59.01 | zkkz | i was on stable |
| 10:59.02 | george_ | ok |
| 10:59.03 | zkkz | ya |
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| 10:59.38 | zkkz | hmm, I'll restart and check if it then it might install |
| 10:59.39 | george_ | I guess it's a bug in make-kpkg... I also guess manoj is still the maint/author |
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| 11:00.29 | zkkz | grr crap, now i can't boot into the kernel -.- |
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| 11:02.08 | george_ | zkkz: add stanzas to specifically boot your prev kernel |
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| 11:02.36 | zkkz | george_, huh? |
| 11:02.42 | zkkz | I'm using yaboot btw |
| 11:03.12 | george_ | can you refer to the specific kernel rather than the /vmlinuz and /initrd.img links? |
| 11:03.19 | george_ | not sure how yaboot works |
| 11:03.27 | zkkz | i think so |
| 11:04.06 | george_ | then maybe you can boot your prev kernel if you add a menu item to boot it by its specific name? |
| 11:04.18 | zkkz | its no menu its just CLI |
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| 11:05.05 | george_ | so you type a bunch of stuff into it about where the kernel and initrd are and then say boot? |
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| 11:05.49 | zkkz | well now if I type Linux, it says /boot/vmlinux, No such file or directory |
| 11:05.58 | vin` | zkkz: #debian-ppc may know more about yaboot |
| 11:06.42 | george_ | yeah, I don't know anything about it :) |
| 11:07.02 | george_ | they'll probably know more than nothing :) |
| 11:07.27 | zkkz | ill go to them then |
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| 11:07.37 | Crock | dir |
| 11:07.47 | Crock | oops |
| 11:07.53 | george_ | Crock1.exe |
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| 11:08.11 | Crock | whats the directory that debian keeps the source for all of the system services in? |
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| 11:08.48 | george_ | it generally doesn't... but you can get any source you want (if package is in main section) |
| 11:08.56 | liable | the source? start up scripts are in /etc/init.d if thats what you mean |
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| 11:09.23 | Crock | I mean... the source code for system services like less, more, ls, dir |
| 11:09.45 | george_ | oh, yeah, you would tell apt-get to give you the source |
| 11:09.56 | liable | debian doesnt keep the source for any |
| 11:10.04 | george_ | not on your machine that is |
| 11:10.08 | liable | but you can download it if you wish |
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| 11:10.49 | george_ | do you have lines that start "deb-src" in your file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:11.49 | george_ | additionally you can go upstream and get the source from the mouth of the horse |
| 11:12.15 | Crock | ... seahorses? |
| 11:12.31 | Guerin | though often it's more like what comes out the other end of the horse, until the debian packagers get hold of it |
| 11:12.55 | george_ | with a debian source package you can also build a debian package |
| 11:12.55 | Crock | yea, I have a line for deb-src in the sources list |
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| 11:13.15 | george_ | ok, you can say apt-get source <anypackagename> |
| 11:13.27 | zkkz | I found out how to boot from yaboot, but what would my old kernel be and where? |
| 11:13.34 | george_ | and it will put the source in whatever dir you happen to be cded to |
| 11:13.42 | george_ | zkkz: look in /boot |
| 11:13.50 | zkkz | i cant access the partition |
| 11:13.54 | zkkz | the kernel is 2.6.8-3 |
| 11:14.04 | george_ | cant access? |
| 11:14.07 | george_ | how come? |
| 11:14.15 | zkkz | because i dont have any live cds at hand |
| 11:14.19 | Crock | unable to find a source package for du ? |
| 11:14.22 | george_ | not booted into linux right now? |
| 11:14.26 | zkkz | no |
| 11:14.29 | zkkz | i cant boot into it |
| 11:14.30 | george_ | !find du |
| 11:14.34 | zkkz | its trytng to use the new kernel |
| 11:14.37 | zkkz | i guess |
| 11:14.41 | vin` | zkkz: your debian install cd will do |
| 11:14.44 | Skiver | How do I tell dpkg to remember a page regarding a topic ? |
| 11:14.54 | zkkz | vin`, the debian install cd doesnt have /dev/hda* |
| 11:14.56 | liable | Crock: coreutils |
| 11:15.15 | vin` | zkkz: can't mount it? |
| 11:15.29 | zkkz | no vin`, it says no such file or directory |
| 11:15.31 | Skiver | !font |
| 11:15.31 | dpkg | 'fixed' is the one true font! |
| 11:15.32 | liable | zkkz: the sarge installer uses devfs |
| 11:15.32 | Crock | where does it save that to? |
| 11:15.36 | george_ | vin`: can't boot his os at all? |
| 11:15.42 | Skiver | !unicode |
| 11:15.42 | dpkg | from memory, unicode is THE DEVIL! |
| 11:15.48 | george_ | and it will put the source in whatever dir you happen to be cded to |
| 11:16.05 | zkkz | but george_, what is teh default kernel name to boto up from |
| 11:16.06 | george_ | Crock: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 11:16.14 | vin` | george_: dunno |
| 11:16.23 | george_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.34 | zkkz | ya thats not working |
| 11:16.38 | george_ | its a symlink to /boot/something |
| 11:16.44 | zkkz | i mean specifically, like 2.6.8 |
| 11:17.09 | Guerin | dpkg, no, unicode is the only sane way to manage diverse scripts sanely (even if it does pose security risks) |
| 11:17.10 | george_ | maybe it's called /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2 |
| 11:17.10 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 11:17.24 | zkkz | nop |
| 11:17.54 | george_ | you can't get a listing of /boot, huh? |
| 11:18.06 | zkkz | nop |
| 11:18.13 | zkkz | ill try inserting the install cd again |
| 11:18.15 | george_ | woudl have been handy |
| 11:18.30 | george_ | you should be able to run a shell at some point, |
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| 11:18.36 | zkkz | ya i can |
| 11:18.43 | BucWheat | hi all any mysql 5 users in chan? |
| 11:18.44 | george_ | then you can mount your / or /boot |
| 11:18.45 | zkkz | but i dont know how to mount it, since there is no /dev/hda* |
| 11:19.06 | Skiver | !unicode font |
| 11:19.06 | dpkg | well, unicode font is http://www.unifont.org/fontguide/ |
| 11:19.08 | BucWheat | i'm using mysql 4.1 and i am about to apt-get install mysql5 and i wanted to know if there was anything i needed to do before upgrading |
| 11:19.23 | george_ | back up your db |
| 11:19.30 | george_ | s |
| 11:19.41 | BucWheat | george_ other than that as that is done :) |
| 11:19.42 | george_ | brace for impact |
| 11:19.55 | george_ | sulu, FIRE! |
| 11:20.09 | BucWheat | george_ have you performed the upgrade? |
| 11:20.15 | george_ | nope |
| 11:20.28 | george_ | I don't use mysql (I use pg) |
| 11:20.32 | BucWheat | ok |
| 11:21.19 | zkkz | ok george_, i put it in and loaded a shell, how do i mount my /dev/hda2 now |
| 11:21.43 | george_ | do you now have a dir /mnt? |
| 11:22.08 | zkkz | no george_ |
| 11:22.16 | george_ | ok, try mkdir /mnt |
| 11:22.34 | zkkz | ok done |
| 11:22.44 | george_ | likely your present / is a ramdisk |
| 11:22.50 | zkkz | ya |
| 11:22.57 | george_ | ok, now try mount /dev/hda2 /mnt |
| 11:23.22 | zkkz | george_, no such file or directory |
| 11:23.27 | zkkz | there is no /dev/hda |
| 11:23.30 | george_ | hmm |
| 11:23.33 | zkkz | nor any hda* |
| 11:23.39 | george_ | one sec |
| 11:23.45 | zkkz | ok |
| 11:23.55 | george_ | dir /dev exist? |
| 11:23.59 | zkkz | ya |
| 11:24.05 | george_ | ok |
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| 11:25.13 | george_ | ok, now try mknod /dev/hda2 b 3 2 |
| 11:25.50 | zkkz | okd one |
| 11:26.03 | george_ | (means "create special file /dev/hda2, it's a Block device, major 3, minor 2" |
| 11:26.16 | george_ | ok, try the mount again |
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| 11:26.34 | zkkz | failed, invalid argument |
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| 11:26.49 | george_ | invalid argument... no hd driver? |
| 11:27.01 | zkkz | ? |
| 11:27.26 | olleolleolle | Hi, I'm looking to install nagios2, and it needs lsb-base 3.0-3, but there seems to be a conflict: Conflicts: lsb-core (< 2.0-6), lsb (< 2.0-6) |
| 11:27.28 | george_ | you might have to load the driver for your hd device |
| 11:27.36 | cydork | zkkz: do you see /dev/hda2 in /proc/partitions?? |
| 11:27.38 | george_ | and I dunno how you're going to go about that |
| 11:27.38 | zkkz | there is no driver |
| 11:27.40 | olleolleolle | Where can I read more about conflicts and how to resolve them? |
| 11:27.53 | zkkz | yes cydork |
| 11:28.01 | wols | olleolleolle: what debian? |
| 11:28.17 | olleolleolle | wols: Debian Sarge (using backports repository) |
| 11:28.23 | zkkz | cydork, it's there, a long with hda and hda1 - hda7 |
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| 11:28.37 | wols | install lsb-base 3.0-3 from backports as well in the same apt run |
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| 11:28.43 | cydork | zkkz: did you create that device?? |
| 11:28.54 | zkkz | yes with mknod |
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| 11:29.02 | olleolleolle | wols: I am sorry, could you elaborate on that? |
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| 11:29.19 | wols | install nagios2 lsb-base |
| 11:29.33 | george_ | cydork: are the files in /proc/partitions block specials? |
| 11:29.38 | olleolleolle | # apt-get install lsb-base/sarge-backports |
| 11:29.44 | cydork | zkkz: i thought so it's worthless :P. coz your kernel didn't see it and so it didn't creat the device :) |
| 11:30.02 | rann | hi peeps, does anyone know if there is a 'portaudit' like tool on debian linux? (portaudit is a tool used on freebsd to check for security problems in installed packages) |
| 11:30.21 | george_ | what kind of conflict do you want to resolve? you could throttle george bush... that will solve most of my conflicts :) |
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| 11:30.44 | cydork | george_: man proc and look for partitions :P |
| 11:30.51 | rann | join #fedora |
| 11:30.54 | rann | .. |
| 11:30.56 | rann | sorry |
| 11:31.05 | cydork | rann: dont do it :) |
| 11:31.11 | rann | heheh |
| 11:31.48 | olleolleolle | wols: Thanks for helping out. Now I got it to work (the "slash after packagename" syntax helped) |
| 11:31.57 | rann | how do you check installed packages for security issues? |
| 11:32.36 | george_ | www.debian.org will have announcements... |
| 11:32.39 | lunitik | !hardened debian |
| 11:32.46 | lunitik | !harden |
| 11:32.47 | dpkg | i heard harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 11:33.11 | lunitik | WTF is that D:SbD? |
| 11:33.29 | george_ | also if you have security.debian.org deb line in yuour sources.list, you could simply upgrade |
| 11:33.41 | lunitik | rann: anyway, read those links dpkg just posted... might be overkill for what you want though |
| 11:33.44 | george_ | and any available security replacement would download and install |
| 11:33.51 | rann | yes, but in a production nvironment i can't simply do an upgrade |
| 11:34.10 | wols | lunitik: Debian:Secure by Default |
| 11:34.20 | rann | lunitik: I'm reading, thx! |
| 11:34.30 | lunitik | wols: oh... well there are mail servers etc... so thats just false |
| 11:34.42 | wols | rann: you must. security.debian.org packages are not optional if you want a secure server |
| 11:34.52 | rann | wols: i know |
| 11:35.14 | wols | lunitik: not to mention stupid time and the like services in inetd |
| 11:35.16 | george_ | he wants to test himself, and go thru all his own qa process, I guess |
| 11:35.20 | george_ | which you can do |
| 11:35.28 | rann | the problem is this: i need to make a list of security issues per server |
| 11:35.38 | lunitik | wols: indeed... so saying 'secure by default' is misleading |
| 11:35.47 | wols | nessus |
| 11:35.59 | rann | i know i could fix them by simply upgrading to latest stable + security using apt |
| 11:36.14 | clietxs | how do i find out if a system is purely 64bit? |
| 11:36.21 | rann | on freebsd you can do this with portaudit -Fda |
| 11:36.32 | cydork | lunitik: huh?? |
| 11:36.36 | wols | rann: first line in your report "if we want secure servers in the future, we MUST upgrade the packages from sdo as soon as they become available" |
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| 11:36.49 | george_ | rann: so you want a list of open ports? |
| 11:36.55 | rann | wols: hehe, thanks |
| 11:37.03 | lunitik | rann: you just want info about open ports? or what that port is doing? orrr |
| 11:37.37 | george_ | or what the typical security concerns of each open port are? |
| 11:37.42 | rann | george_: i could type man portaudit, but that won't work on debian |
| 11:37.45 | rann | so |
| 11:38.09 | george_ | can you get the source to portaudit? :) |
| 11:38.29 | george_ | maybe you can portportaudit :) |
| 11:38.31 | rann | portaudit is a tool that checks installed packages for security issues by querying an online database which is coupled to the freebsd security teams' reports |
| 11:38.47 | george_ | ahh |
| 11:38.57 | rann | so you'd get: |
| 11:38.59 | tralala | !find portaudit |
| 11:39.21 | lunitik | tralala: it'd be debaudit or something on Debian... |
| 11:39.38 | rann | installed: ruby-1.8.4: 1 issue found <details here> |
| 11:39.43 | tralala | !find audit |
| 11:39.44 | rann | for example |
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| 11:40.07 | tralala | no automated auditing in debian it seems |
| 11:40.23 | george_ | that might not be a bad thing to have |
| 11:40.42 | george_ | debian does have security teams that report on debian packages |
| 11:40.50 | rann | it would rock (imho) |
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| 11:41.05 | rann | because package management on freebsd == helll |
| 11:41.12 | rann | and heaven on debian |
| 11:41.13 | tralala | here's a project for anybody who can donate some free time to debian |
| 11:41.32 | vin` | rann: seen this? http://www.debian.org/security/2006/ |
| 11:41.32 | lunitik | rann: 'apt-cache search package audit' ... some things like tiger look interesting? |
| 11:41.56 | rann | lunitik: me checks |
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| 11:42.54 | lunitik | rann: actually, but the discription, thats just "how can people gain root privs on this box" |
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| 11:43.07 | lunitik | I guess thats not really what you want... |
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| 11:43.35 | lunitik | vin`: he basically wants a local tool that queries that I think... |
| 11:43.38 | george_ | that would be a valid issue to report tho |
| 11:43.51 | tralala | harden-remoteaudit seems cute though it has nothing to do with code auditing |
| 11:44.08 | vin` | lunitik: he could subscribe to the d-s-a mailing list and read it locally. ;) |
| 11:45.23 | lunitik | tralala: and you would have wanted '!search audit' find is like apt-cache show in that it expects that to be package name |
| 11:45.29 | lunitik | !search audit |
| 11:45.43 | cydork | rann: just get it from http://sourceforge.net/projects/portaudit/ and build it. let see some one might package it for debian |
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| 11:45.46 | lunitik | hmm... maybe not |
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| 11:45.54 | tralala | :) |
| 11:45.58 | tralala | nevermind |
| 11:46.02 | tralala | I have aptitude |
| 11:46.20 | tralala | tell me about enter... |
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| 11:46.58 | el-mexicano | hi |
| 11:47.04 | cydork | tralala: you for got "!" :P |
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| 11:47.39 | tralala | cydork, ;) |
| 11:48.15 | tralala | hey, el-mexicano how've you been? |
| 11:48.37 | dorel__ | anyone remembers the name of the ipsec vpn for windows thats on sf? |
| 11:48.40 | el-mexicano | ich betreibe auf meinem Server postfix mit courier nun habe ich ein problem mit ausgehenden mails, musste nun feststellen, das keinerlei ausgehenden mails protokolliert werden. in der syslogconf steht mail.* /var/log/mail.log. was muss ich einstellen, das alles an mailtransfer gelogged wird? |
| 11:48.42 | dorel__ | something like tao vpn |
| 11:48.59 | tralala | !de |
| 11:48.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 11:49.22 | el-mexicano | !es |
| 11:49.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:49.33 | cydork | tralala: hahahh :P |
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| 11:49.55 | liable | wtf |
| 11:49.58 | tralala | !confuse me |
| 11:49.59 | dpkg | Yes, who is their pants tomorrow, tralala? trousers of the democracy of tahiti with extra cheese |
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| 11:50.28 | el-mexicano | kann mir keiner sagen, wie ich ausgehende mails protokolliere? |
| 11:50.29 | george_ | is he spanish or german... |
| 11:50.44 | el-mexicano | ich bin deitscher |
| 11:50.54 | liable | el-mexicano: do to debian.de or speak english |
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| 11:50.56 | tralala | I don't know any spanish but the surely looks german to me! |
| 11:50.59 | george_ | !de |
| 11:51.00 | dpkg | well, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 11:51.12 | tralala | this |
| 11:51.20 | tralala | baaaaah |
| 11:51.33 | liable | http://news.imagethief.com/photos/xinjiang/picture6565.aspx |
| 11:51.43 | tralala | !fix tralala's typing |
| 11:52.09 | Traian | i have some problems with the fonts lately |
| 11:52.25 | Traian | the disappear when i take the mouse over them |
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| 11:52.43 | Traian | does anybody have this problem? |
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| 11:53.03 | george_ | in what app |
| 11:53.13 | Traian | when i start kdm for example |
| 11:53.29 | Traian | and then when i log on to kde some don't appear at all |
| 11:53.47 | tralala | liable, you phreak! :))) |
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| 11:53.52 | Traian | the stars in the password don't appear at all |
| 11:53.56 | liable | cydork: it was quite by luck actually, its a link from reddit, then tralala said baaaah, so i couldnt resist |
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| 11:54.06 | liable | tralala: i think guerin might like it |
| 11:54.07 | george_ | does moving the mouse leave trails of weirdlooking squares? |
| 11:54.17 | Traian | no |
| 11:54.44 | Traian | i tried logging on to kde from xinit |
| 11:54.51 | Traian | but it's the same problem |
| 11:54.57 | el-mexicano | speak deitsch |
| 11:55.03 | Traian | the xinit works properly |
| 11:55.04 | liable | english |
| 11:55.07 | cydork | liable: it's ok. it doesn't matter here. just accept it :P |
| 11:55.09 | Traian | but kdm and kde don't |
| 11:55.14 | liable | el-mexicano: /j #debian.de |
| 11:55.20 | liable | heh |
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| 11:57.30 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 11:57.31 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 11:57.54 | tralala | who on earth would've thought... |
| 11:58.10 | salman_ | how come nvidia complains that I do not have xserver-common (>= 4.0.3) installed while I am running xorg? |
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| 11:58.21 | louben | Hi, has anyone expirienced mouse pointer and workspace instability problems in sarge with xserver-xorg? |
| 11:58.37 | sep | louben, probably not since sarge dont have xorg |
| 11:58.54 | george_ | not officially anyway |
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| 11:59.25 | tralala | not at all actually. backports has xorg _for_ sarge |
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| 11:59.43 | Traian | so can someone help me? |
| 11:59.53 | salman_ | actually it says: nvidia-glx: Depends: xserver-common (>= 4.0.3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:00.03 | cydork | salman_: how did you install xorg? |
| 12:00.47 | tralala | salman_, perhaps you need a newer version of the driver |
| 12:00.49 | louben | Should I switch back to xfree86? |
| 12:01.04 | salman_ | cydork, I had sarge and did apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade and then apt-get upgrade several times till all was ok |
| 12:01.05 | Braindead | once you go backports,"it's backports all the way down" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down |
| 12:01.19 | louben | lol |
| 12:01.46 | tralala | louben, yep, it will be better. |
| 12:02.03 | george_ | Traian: I'm not sure at all,,, but maybe yuou and louben have similar problems |
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| 12:02.24 | tralala | ,,, |
| 12:02.38 | george_ | ### |
| 12:02.41 | cydork | salman_: and what do you have in your sources.list ? sarge? etch? sarge-backports? |
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| 12:02.51 | Traian | yes i think so as well |
| 12:03.02 | Traian | but it would be nice if we could solve it :) |
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| 12:04.00 | george_ | each describe your exact symptoms to the other, see if you both think you have the problem in common |
| 12:04.01 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:04.02 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 12:04.22 | tralala | dpkg, say something funny |
| 12:04.22 | dpkg | something funny |
| 12:04.31 | tralala | muhahahahaha |
| 12:04.52 | tralala | or better yet lol |
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| 12:06.41 | tralala | !entertain me |
| 12:06.42 | dpkg | "Two hydrogen atoms walk into a bar. The first atom turns to the second and says "I think I'm missing an electron", the second asks "Are you sure?" The first replies "Yeah, I'm positive" |
| 12:07.34 | louben | rotfl |
| 12:07.49 | SpeedyG | hehe |
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| 12:08.02 | Bushmills | "two electrons bump into each other ... asks the one "are you allright..." may be a better lead-in |
| 12:08.29 | Bushmills | "no, i've lost an electron ..." |
| 12:08.45 | Bushmills | ehm .... atoms ... |
| 12:09.16 | tralala | that's better entertainment than 80% of the holywood movies |
| 12:09.29 | tralala | too bad it lasts only a minute |
| 12:09.32 | Element14 | !entertain me |
| 12:09.32 | dpkg | "Two hydrogen atoms walk into a bar. The first atom turns to the second and says "I think I'm missing an electron", the second asks "Are you sure?" The first replies "Yeah, I'm positive" |
| 12:09.40 | Element14 | that's it? |
| 12:09.42 | Bushmills | well, have the pointe is lost the way dpkg has it stored |
| 12:09.50 | Element14 | !entertain me |
| 12:09.51 | dpkg | "Two hydrogen atoms walk into a bar. The first atom turns to the second and says "I think I'm missing an electron", the second asks "Are you sure?" The first replies "Yeah, I'm positive" |
| 12:10.01 | tralala | Element14, it's only this one, mkay? |
| 12:10.03 | liable | Element14: ok, thanks for playing |
| 12:10.15 | Element14 | ok sorry. |
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| 12:11.06 | cydork | tralala: nope. it doesn't have nude images :P |
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| 12:11.24 | Mac38DO | Hi! My msql does no logging, no matter what I do in the my.cnf |
| 12:11.37 | tralala | cydork, ehm... add this to liable's link? |
| 12:12.25 | salman_ | cydork, etch, I an trying to paste it pastebin.com but I am getting errors |
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| 12:12.42 | tralala | salman_, rafb.net/paste |
| 12:12.50 | lunitik | !paster |
| 12:12.50 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 12:14.29 | salman_ | cydork, tralala , my sources.list : http://rafb.net/paste/results/T0OeuM17.html |
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| 12:16.14 | Traian | louben, i'm not registered so i can't talk in private |
| 12:16.25 | louben | me too |
| 12:16.35 | tralala | Traian, here's a trick, /j traian |
| 12:16.39 | cydork | salman_: you are not running sarge anymore. |
| 12:16.44 | louben | i can't accept dcc either |
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| 12:16.48 | salman_ | I am following the guide here: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers but when I reach to installing nvidia-glx I got the following error: nvidia-glx: Depends: xserver-common (>= 4.0.3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:17.01 | salman_ | cydork, I am hoping so :-) |
| 12:17.32 | cydork | salman_: so check the warning for etch users on that link :) |
| 12:17.37 | Traian | louben: so what is you problem exactly? |
| 12:17.57 | salman_ | cydork, is there one? I will check |
| 12:18.30 | salman_ | cydork, ohh... Now this is a problem.. |
| 12:19.03 | salman_ | cydork, will getting it from sid affect me in the future when it is available in etch? |
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| 12:19.33 | louben | the mouse pointer changes its position unexpectedly and the workspaces are switching randomly |
| 12:19.45 | Madeye | I want www-data and all users in "developers" group to be able to write/read/excute files in certain directory, what permission shall I set ? |
| 12:19.49 | cydork | salman_: getting it from sid might affect you now. if you dont need 3d acc. use nv.. |
| 12:19.51 | Braindead | !tell salman_ about etch nvidia |
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| 12:20.18 | Traian | ouh |
| 12:20.26 | Traian | so we don't have the same problem :) |
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| 12:21.25 | louben | ... |
| 12:21.42 | Traian | i have a problem with the text |
| 12:21.49 | Traian | in kdm for example |
| 12:22.02 | Traian | when i point the mouse on any text it disappears |
| 12:22.04 | louben | I use xfce |
| 12:22.18 | Traian | i said KDM |
| 12:22.19 | Traian | not kde |
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| 12:22.38 | Traian | anyway it's the same problem in kde |
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| 12:24.37 | liable | Madeye: make the group www-data and set the group perms to rwx |
| 12:24.37 | FrFluffyBottom | Hi all, I'm going through the process of adding a new hard drive to my debian box |
| 12:25.04 | FrFluffyBottom | and I loaded fdisk to add the main partition, when I thought "Is there an alternative to fdisk?" where I don't feel quite so scared with everything I do? |
| 12:25.13 | Braindead | cfdisk |
| 12:25.22 | Braindead | a little more user friendly |
| 12:25.24 | liable | tis nice |
| 12:25.25 | FrFluffyBottom | ah! Perfect, thanks :-D |
| 12:25.34 | tralala | so you have to feel even more scared!!! |
| 12:25.34 | FrFluffyBottom | Exactly what I was looking for, I'm sure I've used this before, cheers/ |
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| 12:27.03 | clietxs | how can one tellif they're on a 64bit machine? |
| 12:27.24 | tralala | clietxs, if you can boot a 64bit kernel you're on a 64bit machine |
| 12:27.42 | liable | clietxs: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:27.55 | clietxs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:28.06 | liable | i havent ever owned one, but i would think it would mention it in there |
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| 12:28.33 | salman_ | cydork, Braindead, doe it mean this: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 12:29.01 | FrFluffyBottom | OK, follow up question. I have a hard drive mainly designed for downloading things to and streaming from across the network. Any suggestions on the fs? I'm mainly thinking of going with ext3, unless there's a better option? |
| 12:29.08 | clietxs | ./proc/cpuinfo doesn't stipulate 64bit arch anywhere. |
| 12:29.29 | FrFluffyBottom | clietxs: Under "model name"? |
| 12:30.29 | jetscreamer | jfs |
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| 12:30.29 | clietxs | model name : Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 265 |
| 12:30.30 | clietxs | it's a 64bit chip |
| 12:30.30 | tralala | reiserfs |
| 12:30.30 | clietxs | just need to know if the 2.6.18.1 kernel is 64bit |
| 12:30.30 | FrFluffyBottom | oh |
| 12:30.30 | FrFluffyBottom | uname -a |
| 12:30.30 | salman_ | FrFluffyBottom, I have a 212GB HD for similar purpose, used in a P2 pc and I am using reiserfs, it is working fine |
| 12:30.30 | clietxs | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.30 | liable | tralala: you on the booze or what? |
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| 12:30.35 | jetscreamer | yeah i was trying to think up something witty |
| 12:31.11 | FrFluffyBottom | i686 != 64-bit |
| 12:31.15 | tralala | liable, worse - at work! |
| 12:31.30 | liable | tralala: ah, so crack it is then :) |
| 12:31.39 | FrFluffyBottom | In other words, you're not using a 64-bit compiled kernel |
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| 12:31.47 | tralala | :) |
| 12:32.06 | tralala | liable, sush or I'll make you audit my code!!! |
| 12:32.12 | clietxs | FrFluffyBottom: can you direct me to an SMP 64bit kernel download please. |
| 12:32.12 | liable | eeek |
| 12:32.24 | FrFluffyBottom | clietxs: Use apt |
| 12:32.36 | FrFluffyBottom | although afaik, 64-bit support is only there in etch |
| 12:32.46 | liable | tralala: you'll end up with some nice comments :) |
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| 12:33.13 | clietxs | FrFluffyBottom: i would prefer to do a 64bit kernel upgrade myself. |
| 12:33.27 | clietxs | will join other debian channel |
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| 12:33.43 | tralala | liable, oh, comments! I remember hearing this word in the past... some weird concept iirc |
| 12:33.51 | louben | I think the problem was gpm... |
| 12:33.58 | Madeye | liable, I tried sudo chown www-data:developers -R /var/www/domains/ then sudo chmod 755 -R /var/www/domains/ and still getting permission denied for users in 'developers' group |
| 12:34.00 | louben | :0 |
| 12:34.02 | louben | :) |
| 12:34.12 | FrFluffyBottom | clietxs: If you want to do it yourself and not via apt, then www.kernel.org I guess |
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| 12:34.37 | Shadowcat | tralala: I can make you audit my z80 assembly |
| 12:34.44 | clietxs | http://www.us.debian.org/ports/amd64/ only gives me the install images |
| 12:34.52 | Shadowcat | and trust me that's A LOT more painful than whatever you're coding |
| 12:34.54 | liable | Madeye: should be 775 if you want rwx for the group |
| 12:35.03 | Shadowcat | chmod 666 liable |
| 12:35.04 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 12:35.39 | liable | no need, i dont execute anyway (execute==work) :P |
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| 12:35.57 | liable | well, i am employed, but i try and avoid work |
| 12:35.59 | Madeye | ah thanks |
| 12:36.24 | Shadowcat | fine |
| 12:36.33 | Shadowcat | chmod 777 liable; ./liable |
| 12:36.56 | liable | !stupify Shadowcat |
| 12:36.58 | tralala | Shadowcat, I bet you've never even heard of object oriented extensions of prolog... |
| 12:37.08 | Shadowcat | which don't exist |
| 12:37.11 | Shadowcat | I actually know Prolog |
| 12:37.42 | tralala | I knew it |
| 12:37.54 | liable | bet you havent heard of the moose extensions for double overhead underhangers |
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| 12:38.07 | tralala | for maximum pain though try this: int R(int r) { if (r -= r > 0 - r < 0) R(-r); } |
| 12:38.20 | clietxs | http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/ |
| 12:38.24 | clietxs | think i may have found it. |
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| 12:40.31 | clietxs | http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp |
| 12:40.34 | clietxs | looks to be the latest |
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| 12:41.29 | ryushe | Hi there, where on a debian based machine might I find the error messages returned to a client, such as for instance "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table" ? (talking about the original source, not where they show up in the logs) |
| 12:42.20 | tralala | the object oriented extension is actually the smallest of the problems. It has loops and conditions added and the whole thing runs on top of a *FAT* oracle database... |
| 12:43.45 | tralala | oh, yes - it's compiled to bytecode as well |
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| 12:44.04 | petemc | ryushe: depends on the mta |
| 12:44.27 | petemc | ryushe: for exim4 , check the output of exim4 -bV |
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| 12:45.02 | ryushe | petemc > sorry, I thought I mentioned postfix in my question. Anyways, I run postfix |
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| 12:45.53 | dererk[w] | G'Morning/Buenas! :) |
| 12:46.15 | liable | wenas |
| 12:46.23 | ryushe | searching google for a combination of 'postfix, error message, etc' only returns a big heap of results linked to actual postfix errors, not where I can find the original source of these error messages on the filesystem |
| 12:46.30 | petemc | ryushe: i would guess the postfix config file, wherever it is.. |
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| 12:47.02 | ryushe | looked in there yes, no mention at all of it, nor in the 400+ options you can insert there |
| 12:47.53 | petemc | find /etc -type f -exec grep "Recipient address rejected" {} \; -print |
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| 12:48.38 | tralala | eeek |
| 12:49.03 | tralala | grep -r should be easier to type to say the least |
| 12:49.07 | petemc | pfft |
| 12:49.18 | petemc | who gives a shit if you runa few greps |
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| 12:49.53 | tralala | or if you spend the whole night typing one command... |
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| 12:50.10 | petemc | if that takes you all night you have other problems |
| 12:50.16 | Glanzmann | What is the name of the debian bugreporting tool, again? |
| 12:50.21 | petemc | reportbug |
| 12:50.27 | Glanzmann | thanks. |
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| 12:50.59 | tralala | indeed and plenty of them |
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| 12:51.39 | infernixx | am i right if I understand it that ocfs2 is used to mount the same physical disk on two separate machines and use it simultaneously? |
| 12:51.45 | Mooi | "Package spca5xx-modules-2.6.16-2-686-smp is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package spca5xx-modules-2.6.16-2-686-smp has no installation candidate " I am trying to install spca5xx |
| 12:52.08 | jetscreamer | speaking of, wheretf is nvu |
| 12:52.37 | liable | in etch? |
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| 12:52.44 | jetscreamer | sid even |
| 12:52.54 | liable | its in sid |
| 12:53.05 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search nvu no joy |
| 12:53.14 | jetscreamer | apt-get same |
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| 12:53.32 | jetscreamer | !info nvu |
| 12:53.33 | tralala | ocfs = oracle cluster filesystem |
| 12:53.37 | tralala | meh |
| 12:53.45 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:54.28 | liable | jetscreamer: hrm, i have it, but i must have installed it a fair while ago i guess |
| 12:54.29 | tralala | !entertain |
| 12:54.30 | dpkg | I will stand on one leg and spin Free AOL CDs with both hands for you my lord |
| 12:54.51 | jetscreamer | yeah i 'had' it |
| 12:54.53 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 12:55.12 | tralala | it's about time to substitute this AOL CDs with Ubuntu CDs |
| 12:55.12 | liable | jetscreamer: well it hasnt been removed on my box |
| 12:55.17 | tralala | these |
| 12:55.19 | Fox | nvu isn't developped anymore |
| 12:55.23 | jetscreamer | fresh install :( |
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| 12:55.31 | liable | Fox: really? |
| 12:55.34 | Fox | yep |
| 12:55.41 | Fox | there's a fork, call Kompozer |
| 12:55.45 | liable | jetscreamer: s.d.n |
| 12:55.48 | Fox | s/call/called/ |
| 12:55.48 | liable | oh |
| 12:56.02 | Fox | but no package for kompozer |
| 12:56.11 | plb | hrm I thought ubuntu follows the same philosophy as debian? It seems they are getting Firefox 2 with official FF logo in edgy? BTW FF 2 is now available ;] |
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| 12:56.38 | jetscreamer | ubuntu goes their own way, after they rape the repositories |
| 12:56.40 | liable | plb: they do what they want i guess |
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| 12:57.00 | plb | weird...I thought them and debian worked the same way |
| 12:57.28 | liable | plb: no, ubuntu is backed by a money making company |
| 12:57.32 | FrFluffyBottom | plb: If they worked the same way there'd be little difference between them and thus little point ;-) |
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| 12:57.47 | johnnyss | hi how do I setup transparetn proxy on a local machine? |
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| 12:58.11 | petemc | squid can do that |
| 12:58.12 | johnnyss | changenign this in some way: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 |
| 12:58.20 | Braindead | johnnyss: by looking on the internet before asking here? |
| 12:58.25 | johnnyss | I have.. |
| 12:58.27 | plb | FrFluffyBottom: I meant in terms of principles...free software specifically |
| 12:58.41 | johnnyss | Have not found any iptables rule that would do it.. |
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| 12:59.03 | FrFluffyBottom | Oh, I think Ubuntu is happier to turn a blind eye, especially when it comes to documentation and so on |
| 12:59.38 | SpeedyG | hey guys, i'm trying to write a small script that runs through a file and 'echo's all lines line by line.. this is what i've got.. but it doesnt work http://pastebin.ca/217042 |
| 12:59.59 | petemc | johnnyss: you wouldnt expect local requests to be coming from eth1, would you? |
| 13:00.04 | stew | johnnyss: you would need to redirect to a the squid ip, right? |
| 13:00.14 | tralala | SpeedyG, ehm... isn't cat doing this already? |
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| 13:00.29 | johnnyss | stew yes and that ip is 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:00.36 | damag0r | hi, I am having a REALLY weird problem with unstable for the past several days after doing an apt-get update/upgrade... it seems certain data patterns are choking up apache transfers... I know this sounds outrageous... I sent an email to the debian user list about an hour ago and it still hasn't shown up... anyone mind joining #flood and checking a paste? |
| 13:00.40 | johnnyss | squid is on the same machine.. |
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| 13:00.47 | stew | johnnyss: well your iptables line above doesn't redirect to a new ip |
| 13:01.27 | SpeedyG | tralala: I want it to be used in the script further (this is only the basis of the script) |
| 13:01.32 | damag0r | and can anyone hear me without a registered nick? |
| 13:01.34 | damag0r | hehe |
| 13:01.36 | johnnyss | stew, no and it dose not catch local generated traffic at all... |
| 13:01.38 | Braindead | johnnyss: there's a netfilter module to do DNAT in the OUTPUT chain |
| 13:01.46 | tralala | SpeedyG, (while read line; do echo $line; done) < file |
| 13:01.49 | johnnyss | ok.. |
| 13:02.17 | johnnyss | Braindead, do you know how I would write that then? |
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| 13:02.54 | Braindead | johnnyss: I don't feel like using Google instead of you. no,I don't remember the syntax right now |
| 13:03.06 | johnnyss | ok |
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| 13:03.22 | peyman | maaaa, cheghad adam! |
| 13:03.47 | Braindead | johnnyss: here you go http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/chunkyhtml/x4033.html |
| 13:04.02 | debula | i have a problem with palying DVDs in my new installed debian etch! its not smooth! what can i do? |
| 13:04.17 | tralala | frozentux... yummy! |
| 13:04.18 | wols | what video driver do you use? |
| 13:04.33 | tralala | debula, install libdvdread |
| 13:04.50 | liable | debula: first thing i would try is a different output driver for the player |
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| 13:05.17 | damag0r | ok, I'm identified now.. testing 1..2..3?? |
| 13:06.15 | debula | wols: mmm |
| 13:06.41 | debula | wols: how can i find out what driver i use? |
| 13:06.57 | debula | tralala: i already installed that package |
| 13:07.11 | debula | liable: how can i do that? |
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| 13:07.33 | SpeedyG | tralala: doesnt work somehow :S |
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| 13:08.00 | liable | debula: check the menus for your media player |
| 13:08.19 | debula | liable: ok |
| 13:08.22 | tralala | SpeedyG, it does for me |
| 13:08.48 | clietxs | is it possible to cross compile an amd64 bit kernel on a 32bit system. |
| 13:08.48 | clietxs | ? |
| 13:08.55 | tralala | yes |
| 13:09.13 | clietxs | tralala: could you put me to the appropriate documentation? |
| 13:10.12 | tralala | man make-kpkg |
| 13:10.13 | tralala | you have to know that running a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland can be a performance downstep |
| 13:11.00 | johnnyss | Braindead: thanks.. |
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| 13:11.13 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --targets |
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| 13:12.05 | clietxs | hmmm |
| 13:12.08 | clietxs | i'm trying to; |
| 13:12.08 | clietxs | dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled: |
| 13:12.08 | clietxs | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.18 | clietxs | giving me the itters |
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| 13:13.18 | clietxs | i've the linux-image-2.6.16-2-amd64-k8-smp_2.6.16-18_amd64.deb file which is the correct one for my system |
| 13:13.30 | clietxs | system is currently 2.6.18.1 (32bit) |
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| 13:13.48 | debula | liable: i'm using totem for that! where can i set it? |
| 13:14.19 | tralala | !irritate liable |
| 13:14.19 | dpkg | liable: HELP ME!!! how can I make my lindows werkz ????? |
| 13:14.28 | SpeedyG | lol |
| 13:14.30 | liable | debula: i dunno, should be in the preferences somewhere |
| 13:14.30 | Braindead | clietxs: who gave you 2.6.18.1 ? self-compiled from vanilla sources? |
| 13:14.42 | SpeedyG | tralala: works on commandline, not in the script :/ |
| 13:14.46 | tarzeau | has anyone ever used growisofs to write a 2.2+ GB image? |
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| 13:15.01 | tralala | SpeedyG, did you change the script? |
| 13:15.05 | SpeedyG | yes |
| 13:15.08 | clietxs | Braindead: i did, was looking for SMP support forgot about 64bit support compiled then relised of shit :( |
| 13:15.13 | SpeedyG | tried to put that line in the script |
| 13:15.17 | clietxs | of=oh |
| 13:15.42 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm having troubles installing my Brother HL-2030 printer. It used to work before I reinstalled the computer. When I try to install the drivers, I get this error message: "lpadmin: Unable to copy PPD file!" - can someone help please me? |
| 13:15.44 | tralala | tarzeau, me |
| 13:15.46 | nvzn | tarzeau: yeah, all the time |
| 13:15.55 | tarzeau | tralala, nvzn fails here all the time, see this: |
| 13:16.05 | Braindead | tarzeau: you mean a 2.2 GB iso or burning a disc with a large file on it? |
| 13:16.13 | tarzeau | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389761 |
| 13:16.23 | tarzeau | Braindead: one iso image of 2.2 GB or so |
| 13:16.29 | nvzn | Braindead: good point |
| 13:16.42 | nvzn | tarzeau: an iso image should be fine |
| 13:16.52 | Braindead | yep,no problems at all here |
| 13:16.55 | tarzeau | nvzn: it fails between 12 and 40 % |
| 13:17.03 | tarzeau | no problem with CD-R media |
| 13:17.31 | nvzn | tarzeau: are you saying dvd-compa? |
| 13:17.36 | nvzn | tarzeau: are you saying dvd-compat? |
| 13:17.39 | tarzeau | nvzn: yes |
| 13:17.56 | nvzn | tarzeau: no idea what your problem is |
| 13:18.11 | Braindead | I'm looking at the command used,it's nothing unusual,I usually use growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=4 -Z /dev/dvdrw=file.iso |
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| 13:18.47 | tarzeau | Braindead: i've tried without the use-the-force-luke stuff |
| 13:18.48 | Jemt | Is it possible to "extract" the files from a .deb file ? |
| 13:18.54 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 13:18.55 | tarzeau | growisofs of stable or later? |
| 13:18.58 | Jemt | How ? |
| 13:19.15 | h3sp4wn | Jemt: use ar |
| 13:19.19 | tralala | well, I use growisofs from the command line and I usually burn 4+ gb images. No such problem ever. |
| 13:19.19 | h3sp4wn | Jemt: or dpkg-deb |
| 13:19.26 | Braindead | Jemt: yes,use ar,dpkg -x or browse them with mc |
| 13:19.28 | Jemt | h3sp4wn: Thanks, checking it out :) |
| 13:19.35 | Jemt | Great :D |
| 13:19.38 | Jemt | MC rules :) |
| 13:19.42 | jetscreamer | file-roller opens them |
| 13:19.51 | jetscreamer | not sure what it actually is inside |
| 13:20.12 | damag0r | can anyone help me with an extreme weird problem I've run into regarding apache in debian unstable? |
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| 13:20.40 | tralala | tarzeau, did you say CD-R media for 3gb image?! |
| 13:20.43 | liable | @annoy tralala |
| 13:20.45 | ravenbird | tralala: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 13:20.56 | tralala | aaaarghhh !*#&&&@ |
| 13:21.16 | damag0r | @annoy test |
| 13:21.16 | ravenbird | test: bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!! |
| 13:21.33 | tarzeau | tralala: no,i said i can burn fine CD-R , but not DVD-R |
| 13:21.54 | tarzeau | tralala: yes i also used the command line |
| 13:21.59 | tralala | tarzeau, I'd blame the writer |
| 13:22.03 | jetscreamer | i'm sure you do but got dvd+rw-tools or whatever it is? |
| 13:22.32 | tralala | tarzeau, tried with another device? |
| 13:23.05 | jetscreamer | and what is the result if you use /dev/hdc or whatever instead of /dev/dvdrw |
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| 13:23.41 | jetscreamer | and where did you get the symlink named /dev/dvdrw |
| 13:23.49 | tralala | here's what I do growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=my_big_data.iso or growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=my_video.iso |
| 13:24.02 | jetscreamer | ah i have one too |
| 13:24.09 | jetscreamer | weird.. must be udev |
| 13:24.31 | jetscreamer | speaking of... does it work w/o udev? |
| 13:24.32 | tralala | okay, now I've got to check my devs too |
| 13:24.34 | liable | sure, it should be /dev/dvd=my-pr0n |
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| 13:24.37 | tralala | see what you did?! |
| 13:24.49 | clietxs | so is there anyone here that might be able to direct me to somewhere that might explain how to cross compile linux-image-2.6.16-2-amd64-k8-smp on a 32bit install |
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| 13:25.15 | tarzeau | tralala: some asus stuff: ATA ' 'SAMSUNG SP2504C ' 'VT10' Disk |
| 13:25.20 | tralala | my-geek-gay-pr0n |
| 13:25.22 | tarzeau | tralala: no, don't got another one... |
| 13:26.08 | tralala | liable, you can run but you can't hide! |
| 13:26.10 | liable | not that theres anything wrong with that |
| 13:26.14 | liable | :) |
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| 13:28.01 | jetscreamer | MOTHERF |
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| 13:28.13 | WorkRoey | junix|work: hi |
| 13:28.27 | jetscreamer | i'm trying to burn a cd from an iso and k3b wants me to insert a dual-layer dvd |
| 13:28.41 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 13:28.42 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 13:28.49 | jetscreamer | i clicked burn dvd |
| 13:28.51 | jetscreamer | but still |
| 13:28.56 | liable | !pal jetscreamer |
| 13:29.15 | Mooi | Hello, when I install spca5xx-source, and try to modprobe it, I get "FATAL: Error inserting spca5xx (/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686-smp/kernel/drivers/usb/media/spca5xx.ko): Invalid module format" ;/ |
| 13:29.16 | jetscreamer | it shouldn't ask me for a dual layer if it's only 500mb |
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| 13:29.43 | tralala | !tell k3b to ask jetscreamer for a triple layer! |
| 13:30.43 | Jemt | Can someone help me get my Brother HL-2030 printer working again? When I install the Cups Wrapper driver, it gives me the following error: "lpadmin: Unable to copy PPD file!" |
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| 13:31.35 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search ppd maybe |
| 13:31.52 | jetscreamer | and are you in the lpadmin group btw |
| 13:32.00 | wols | get the ppd file for your printer? |
| 13:34.14 | Jemt | jetscreamer && wols : I didn't have this problem before I reinstalled - something must have changed in the repositories. There is not a PPD file available for download. I have just installed the LPD driver and afterwards the CUPs Wrapper |
| 13:34.52 | liable | Jemt: did you follow the instructions on there site properly? |
| 13:34.54 | tralala | everybody can print given a printer driver, but Chuck Noris can make any printer print by a mere vocal command! |
| 13:35.07 | Jemt | LPR driver - not LPD |
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| 13:35.36 | Jemt | liable: Yes, I'm using a shell script that worked 3 weeks ago that does exactly what is described in the installation instructions :) |
| 13:35.48 | Jemt | And I'm running the installation as root - so that shouldn't be a problem |
| 13:35.58 | liable | okie |
| 13:36.22 | liable | try it without the script |
| 13:36.44 | Jemt | Dosn't work (obviously) - how would it make any difference? :) |
| 13:36.54 | cydork | Jemt: read the shell script for the ppd file then ?? :P |
| 13:36.55 | Jemt | I do exactly the same as the Shell Script |
| 13:37.09 | Jemt | There IS no PPD file :/ |
| 13:37.27 | liable | so email brother |
| 13:37.34 | Jemt | Could be a package that has not been installed from repositories this time |
| 13:38.08 | Jemt | I have installed 'cupsys' and 'cupsys-client' from repos. |
| 13:38.19 | Jemt | And the driver and CUPS wrapper, of cause |
| 13:39.28 | tralala | you shouldn't buy printers from the brothers - they've likely given you a broken one! |
| 13:39.34 | jetscreamer | tralala: chuck norris is a poser! http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/ |
| 13:40.08 | wols | tralala: no more likely as if you bought a lexmark one :) |
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| 13:40.32 | Jemt | Ah! Seems I need a package from repos :) |
| 13:40.45 | tralala | jetscreamer, :) |
| 13:40.46 | Jemt | tralala: Brother has never failed me - the best brand I have ever used |
| 13:41.18 | tralala | wols, this is why I never buy printers ;)) |
| 13:41.40 | abrotman | !tell mariux4 about root |
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| 13:42.33 | Jemt | wols: I agree. I have already thrown two lexmarks in the dumpster |
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| 13:43.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: a new game! a new game! http://www.holdthebutton.com/ |
| 13:43.13 | Mooi | does anyone know which GCC version was used to compile linux-image-2.6.16-2-686-smp ? |
| 13:43.20 | x_link | enouf, There ? |
| 13:43.21 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 13:43.37 | abrotman | Mooi: cat /proc/version |
| 13:43.38 | jetscreamer | i bought two lexmarks for when the ink ran out in the first |
| 13:43.42 | jetscreamer | cheaper |
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| 13:43.44 | cydork | tarzeau: get a life :P |
| 13:44.07 | Mooi | thanks |
| 13:44.07 | Mooi | :) |
| 13:44.21 | jetscreamer | will lexmark work in linux if asked nicely, btw? |
| 13:44.32 | jetscreamer | or is it hopeless |
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| 13:45.05 | jetscreamer | they do have some linux drivers |
| 13:45.26 | Mooi | now it all works ;} |
| 13:45.34 | secher | Heyas all. As far as I can tell, I've done the setup correctly for Horde3 and Apache2. The HOWTO tells me to simply open //localhost/horde3 in a browser, but firefox says "You have chosen to open file type .phtml, what do you want to open it with?" I browse to mozilla-firefox, hit ok, and tabs begin opening, non stop, rapidly enough to have opened 33 of them before I could close firefox. Any ideas what I'm missing? |
| 13:45.38 | sudharsh | jetscreamer: http://www.linuxprinting.org/ hopefully that sould have your answers |
| 13:45.41 | Jemt | jetscreamer, wols, liable, tralala : I was missing the 'foomatic-filters-ppds' package (and dependencies). This package comes with a PPD file for HL-2060 which works. Though I would let you know so you can help someone in the same position as mine some other day. Thanks :) |
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| 13:46.02 | wols | jetscreamer: since lexmarks won't make the printercartridges full on the ones they sell inside the printers, I doubt that being cheaper |
| 13:46.02 | blondie | secher: php isn't setup to parse .phtml by the sound of it |
| 13:46.06 | wols | but lexmark was happy I guess |
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| 13:46.35 | secher | blondie: so you think I'm missing a package, or is it a configuration issue? |
| 13:46.56 | wols | secher: is horde3 written in php? |
| 13:47.00 | jetscreamer | wols: the price of the printer was less than the cartridge |
| 13:47.06 | Fox | tarzeau: did you already play pengupop ? this might be a better way of using your spare time :) |
| 13:47.07 | jetscreamer | and it came with ink |
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| 13:47.22 | wols | jetscreamer: the cardtridge inside the printer was only half full compared to a normally bought one too |
| 13:47.30 | jetscreamer | right... |
| 13:47.33 | tarzeau | Fox: show me? url? |
| 13:47.39 | secher | wols: Yes. |
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| 13:47.45 | Fox | http://www.junoplay.com/ |
| 13:47.50 | jetscreamer | but i got two printers... gave one away |
| 13:47.57 | jetscreamer | actually gve both |
| 13:48.05 | wols | secher: then tell that apache that it's a php file |
| 13:48.09 | wols | mimetype or such |
| 13:48.33 | secher | wols: Kk, lemme take a swing at that. |
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| 13:51.12 | jooopyme | Can I tell grub to boot certain image next time ? |
| 13:51.14 | diamond__ | Hiya fellows |
| 13:51.37 | diamond__ | have question how can i look in debian how much ramk there is in use |
| 13:51.37 | diamond__ | ? |
| 13:51.49 | petemc | free |
| 13:51.49 | cydork | jooopyme: you can edit menu.list and change the default entry .. |
| 13:52.19 | jooopyme | cydork: tnx but is there something like lilo -R |
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| 13:52.54 | crookshanks | anyone know if the debian kernel has SATA compiled in? or is it a module? |
| 13:53.01 | diamond__ | Hi petemc |
| 13:54.28 | liable | jooopyme: theres the grub-set-default command, check the docs for it. (not in sarge) |
| 13:54.41 | diamond__ | someone know how to see howmuch ram there is in use |
| 13:54.51 | SpeedyG | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 13:55.00 | nevyn | diamond__: free |
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| 13:55.18 | ahfeel | hi all |
| 13:55.26 | nevyn | diamond__: if the machine has been running for any decent period of time all of it will be in use |
| 13:55.39 | ahfeel | anybody knows debian package building well please ? |
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| 13:56.17 | diamond__ | i see |
| 13:56.25 | tralala | Bruce Schneier whistles white noise. |
| 13:56.27 | diamond__ | how can i clean the ram |
| 13:56.34 | diamond__ | flush or something ? |
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| 13:57.13 | cydork | !free ram |
| 13:57.13 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 13:57.25 | cydork | bahh |
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| 13:58.19 | tralala | diamond__, you can empty the cache by running sync. There's no point however as it will be automatically freed when needed |
| 13:58.45 | GoAuLd | i have nvidia xorg 7.1, kde, and konversation running right now all of them eating only 65 Mb (whats happening?) |
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| 13:59.20 | liable | thats bad? |
| 13:59.34 | tarzeau | Fox: looking at it now |
| 13:59.46 | tarzeau | Fox: oh like frozenbubble, no i don't like that type of games |
| 13:59.52 | GoAuLd | i want to know why its so good, normaly it was 100 mb |
| 13:59.56 | tarzeau | Fox: i like these better: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 14:00.09 | diamond__ | ok thnx :) |
| 14:00.12 | GoAuLd | i touched xorg.conf yesterday |
| 14:00.21 | diamond__ | i am looking at ps aux |
| 14:00.24 | GoAuLd | but i dont know what option could make this happen |
| 14:00.37 | diamond__ | i see this process is running what can it be /usr/bin/artsd -F |
| 14:00.47 | diamond__ | it takes alot of rams |
| 14:01.29 | diamond__ | :( |
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| 14:02.08 | Fox | tarzeau: ok, the fun of pengupop is that it's the first networked multiplayer frozenbubble clone :) |
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| 14:03.36 | Fox | diamond__: sound daemon |
| 14:04.05 | tralala | Can Bruce Schneier cypher something that not even He can decypher? Of course he can, and he can decypher it too. |
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| 14:04.57 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 14:05.17 | cydork | tralala: Please see a doc :) |
| 14:05.18 | nevyn | one way cyphers are less well understood than we thought it turns out |
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| 14:06.00 | nevyn | md5 is not as good as we thought.. sha1 seems to be weak. |
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| 14:06.36 | tralala | cydork, I've seen many - the all went mad. |
| 14:06.41 | tralala | they |
| 14:06.53 | tralala | with my typing |
| 14:07.21 | epsilon | nevyn: if you want secure hash, use 2-3 different hashes on same file |
| 14:07.57 | epsilon | or tralala, who ever asked |
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| 14:09.35 | secher | Ok, my browser sees and handles .php just fine. I have the mime type registered with apache2 "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" and in the horde3.conf file I have "DirectoryIndex index.php" Any more ideas as to why firefox is recognizing .php as .phtml and begins opening tabs non stop? |
| 14:09.47 | nevyn | epsilon: which works as long as the algorithms are different |
| 14:11.42 | pelzi_ | just use one good hash, it is enough |
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| 14:12.19 | epsilon | depends on paranoia |
| 14:13.03 | epsilon | if you just want to check localy copied file and don't expect any manipulation, md5 is enough |
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| 14:21.06 | ^Mephisto^ | my system gets stuck at 'waiting for root device' after i've setup raid-1 on / with mdadm. i've got root=/dev/md0 in the kernel arguments. anyone knows how to fix it? |
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| 14:22.49 | petemc | ^Mephisto^: you're using a correctly configured initrd? |
| 14:23.09 | ^Mephisto^ | i think so. installing the mdadm package modified it... |
| 14:23.24 | ^Mephisto^ | i can see it load raid modules before it hangs |
| 14:23.28 | liable | also you modified fstab? |
| 14:23.28 | petemc | ^Mephisto^: and your boot loader points to that initrd? |
| 14:23.39 | ^Mephisto^ | yeah |
| 14:23.46 | ^Mephisto^ | i've set /dev/md0 for / in fstab |
| 14:24.07 | _Mooi | Is there any software like Windows media encoder available on debian? I want to record webcam with sound and simply see the vidoe that is being recorded. / |
| 14:24.21 | petemc | xawtv can do that |
| 14:24.58 | _Mooi | ok |
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| 14:25.27 | secher | Ok, I think it's been the requisite 15 minutes. I've set up apache2 and horde3. When I go to localhost/horde3 with firefox, it asks me what to do with filetype .phtml. I told firefox to use firefox to open it, and it began opening tabs, non-stop. I have the .php mime type setup in apache2.conf, and the file index.php is in the /horde3/ directory. ANy ideas what I'm missing? My browser handled .php very well on other pages. |
| 14:25.37 | _Mooi | what about recording sound only, and 2) monitoring the sound volumes from the microphone in different devices? I have three microphones and one of them is not working:/ |
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| 14:25.51 | ^Mephisto^ | _Mooi: gv4l can also record video from capture devices |
| 14:26.00 | _Mooi | cool :) |
| 14:26.04 | _Mooi | I will try, thanks |
| 14:26.11 | ^Mephisto^ | _Mooi: try audacity or gnusound |
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| 14:26.16 | ^Mephisto^ | both can record audio |
| 14:26.30 | petemc | he doesnt want the audio |
| 14:26.44 | ^Mephisto^ | he does: <_Mooi> what about recording sound only, |
| 14:26.52 | petemc | oh |
| 14:27.04 | _Mooi | :) |
| 14:27.27 | ^Mephisto^ | anywayz, anyone got an idea on the raid problem? |
| 14:27.42 | _Mooi | i wish i had raid ^^ |
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| 14:28.02 | ^Mephisto^ | i've just put a 2nd disk in my server, just for raid :P |
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| 14:31.17 | secher | !test |
| 14:31.17 | dpkg | Yes, secher, you're still online. |
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| 14:36.48 | dn4 | locate: warning: database `/var/cache/locate/locatedb' is more than 8 days old |
| 14:36.48 | _Mooi | ok |
| 14:36.51 | _Mooi | this is weird now |
| 14:36.57 | _Mooi | gnome-sound-recorder just is weird |
| 14:37.46 | _Mooi | dn4: /etc/cron.daily/slocate or something like that ;/ |
| 14:37.50 | epsilon | dn4: updatedb |
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| 14:38.32 | epsilon | well, if the box was off while cronjob should have running? |
| 14:38.39 | _Mooi | is there any application that would monitor each sound input and show which ones are active etc,? |
| 14:39.46 | poer | My little brother is growing up, and my 'rents want some sort of net nanny stuff.... we run debian/ubuntu. I need advice. I'd be satisfied with simply monitoring instead of restricting. Would tcpdump do this, or is there a better way? |
| 14:40.06 | dn4 | _Mooi, whoat did you just talk abou the cron? Impressive |
| 14:40.31 | dn4 | Tell me more about what this cron is and can do for me. |
| 14:40.49 | _Mooi | impressive, huh? |
| 14:41.03 | _Mooi | cron allows executing tasks at specific times or periods of times |
| 14:41.09 | _Mooi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron |
| 14:41.34 | dn4 | Ahhh so Teh Cron can be used for an alarm clock, and an updatedb command? |
| 14:41.41 | epsilon | kinda |
| 14:41.50 | _Mooi | maybe |
| 14:41.51 | _Mooi | ^^ |
| 14:41.56 | _Mooi | i'm a newb |
| 14:42.08 | epsilon | usualy it excutes single commands or rotate logs... |
| 14:42.28 | epsilon | they are all in /etc/cron*, read the files |
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| 14:43.53 | _Mooi | ) |
| 14:43.59 | _Mooi | :] |
| 14:43.59 | dn4 | So could cron open up another cron and execute itself again and again? |
| 14:44.22 | _Mooi | not really |
| 14:44.34 | _Mooi | cron runs as a service, and services cannot be duplicated |
| 14:44.56 | dn4 | i'll be back in a bit gonna create an alarm clock on my computer |
| 14:44.59 | _Mooi | dn4: if you want to make a small opening itself app, int main() { system("./me"); } |
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| 14:45.06 | _Mooi | dn4: cool |
| 14:45.24 | dn4 | using Teh Cron! haha |
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| 14:48.23 | epsilon | cron is a daemon, read 'man cron' |
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| 14:57.51 | dn4 | when I do echo dn4 >>/etc/cron.allow |
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| 14:58.12 | dn4 | the name gets added but I don't get anything with regular user doing crontab -l |
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| 15:04.14 | ^Mephisto^ | hi again... i think i've found the problem, there is no /dev/md0 in the initrd, and i see a mknod command failing during bootup. how do i edit my initrd? |
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| 15:13.18 | d0uglas | OMG, I just got an email from Bill Gates guaranteeing me at least $10,000 if I forward it to everyone. Anybody interested? I got another one from a South African Prince too. Poor guy needs to deposit a few million bucks and he just needs some bank accounts. |
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| 15:14.02 | ^Mephisto^ | wow, you sure are important :) |
| 15:14.04 | miranda82 | hello people |
| 15:14.09 | ^Mephisto^ | lo |
| 15:14.18 | d0uglas | hi miranda |
| 15:15.43 | nvz | d0uglas: haha.. I was just watching Buffet and Gates go back to school the other night and some college student said that to him |
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| 15:16.21 | dn4 | how do I create a script for cron to run? |
| 15:16.43 | pelzi_ | to do what |
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| 15:16.44 | nvz | d0uglas: I got one the other day about some poor bloke in the UK died and didnty have anyone to leave his money to, so his attorney wanted to present me as his next of kin |
| 15:16.51 | miranda82 | does anyone here know a way to find out the ip's of the other machines on a lan, without having a corret adress? |
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| 15:17.22 | pickcoder | nvz: yeah.. they just need complete proof of identifty sent to them via mail.. |
| 15:17.29 | d0uglas | nvz: no shit.. btw, did you here Stephen King and Dave Matthews just died? |
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| 15:17.40 | dn4 | pelzi_, execute a comand to create a playlist open up mplayer and play the tracks |
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| 15:18.03 | d0uglas | netcraft confirmed it |
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| 15:18.24 | pelzi_ | well... google tells about cron a lot |
| 15:18.33 | pickcoder | too many people phishing for identities |
| 15:19.05 | dn4 | pelzi_, where is the bash shell in debian etch? |
| 15:19.08 | dn4 | is it .bashrc? |
| 15:19.12 | nvz | pickcoder: yeah right.. heh |
| 15:19.38 | nvz | d0uglas: nope.. let me guess they were having an orgy on an airplane together |
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| 15:21.37 | miranda82 | does anyone here know a way to find out the ip's of the other machines on a lan, without having a corret adress? |
| 15:21.59 | d0uglas | what do you mean without having a correct address... a host? |
| 15:22.12 | miranda82 | umm |
| 15:22.16 | d0uglas | a spoofed ip? |
| 15:22.21 | miranda82 | d0uglas, no dhcp |
| 15:22.32 | nvz | I dont think i'd miss dave matthews or steven king |
| 15:22.52 | d0uglas | so it's you who doesn't have an ip address? |
| 15:23.10 | miranda82 | yep |
| 15:23.19 | miranda82 | and i want to discover the adress of the machines |
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| 15:23.28 | epsilon | arp? |
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| 15:23.49 | miranda82 | epsilon, yes |
| 15:24.31 | esters | Hello, which in which configuration file all boot-up apps are stored ? |
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| 15:25.39 | pickcoder | esters: there is no single config flie. look at /etc/init.d and /etc/rc<number>.d |
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| 15:25.54 | miranda82 | epsilon, but i can't do arp |
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| 15:27.22 | d0uglas | miranda82: try apt-cache searching for lan scanner or lan monitor or lan sniffer... apt-cache show nast |
| 15:27.34 | d0uglas | kismet's good if it's wireless |
| 15:27.41 | d0uglas | along with swscanner |
| 15:27.58 | Ox0F0-0FF | miranda82, The mac address is what you want ? |
| 15:28.00 | miranda82 | d0uglas, do u men i shoudl sniff paqckets, and look in the headers? |
| 15:28.13 | miranda82 | Ox0F0-0FF, no.. just the adress of the router |
| 15:28.22 | Ox0F0-0FF | hum |
| 15:28.27 | d0uglas | miranda82: not necessarily, those are just things i'd tell apt to look for for things related to this |
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| 15:28.44 | Ox0F0-0FF | well, nmap is a very good tool to scan your net |
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| 15:28.47 | d0uglas | apt-cache show individual packages that pop up if they're of interest |
| 15:28.50 | d0uglas | oh yeah, nmap |
| 15:28.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | bow by router... are you looking for the gw ? |
| 15:28.55 | miranda82 | Ox0F0-0FF, but i not on the net |
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| 15:29.17 | Ox0F0-0FF | miranda82, what about you tell us what you really are trying to acheive ? |
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| 15:29.24 | miranda82 | Ox0F0-0FF, ok |
| 15:29.32 | pabl0 | hi, does SSH (debian stable) supports SSH2 (RSA) keys? |
| 15:29.34 | miranda82 | Ox0F0-0FF, i got the wep key, but the router does not have dhcp |
| 15:29.41 | pabl0 | or needs a patch? |
| 15:29.50 | miranda82 | Ox0F0-0FF, just want to know how i can discover the range of ip's |
| 15:30.03 | Ox0F0-0FF | ask your admin for a correct IP |
| 15:30.13 | cahoot | pabl0: yes and no |
| 15:30.13 | d0uglas | miranda82: whether or not the network has a wireless access point, you can pick up some macs |
| 15:30.25 | pabl0 | cahoot, needs to be enabled in sshd_config? |
| 15:30.26 | miranda82 | but i do not want mac s ... |
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| 15:30.40 | dn4 | ok I figured out how to make the clcok |
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| 15:30.43 | Ox0F0-0FF | miranda82, We do not support wanna-be-hackers |
| 15:30.49 | dn4 | apparently alarm was a file that had to be created |
| 15:30.52 | cahoot | pabl0: enabled by default IIRC |
| 15:31.02 | dn4 | alarm clock works now :) |
| 15:31.02 | miranda82 | Ox0F0-0FF, it's not about hacking |
| 15:31.04 | pabl0 | cahoot, ohh k |
| 15:31.14 | pabl0 | thanks :) |
| 15:31.18 | Ox0F0-0FF | miranda82, then, ask your admin or read your AP's documentation |
| 15:31.23 | miranda82 | Ox0F0-0FF, ok |
| 15:31.28 | miranda82 | thx anyway |
| 15:31.34 | Ox0F0-0FF | yw |
| 15:31.51 | d0uglas | i gotta stop giving people the benefit of the doubt |
| 15:32.05 | Ronin | got stung again d0uglas ? |
| 15:33.02 | d0uglas | hey, i war walk home from work every day just for fun, i figure a lot of debian types do this stuff out of curiosity not because they can't afford legit access |
| 15:33.17 | d0uglas | maybe some gentoo folks as well |
| 15:33.32 | wols | d0uglas: we still wouldn't tell you how to get in if you asked here |
| 15:33.43 | wols | Debian project is a stickler for laws |
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| 15:34.12 | d0uglas | like i said, no interest, i just somehow get a kick of reading some creative ssids people come up with |
| 15:34.56 | d0uglas | and who needs to know how to break into one when about 37% by my results in manhattan don't even have wep |
| 15:35.44 | d0uglas | yeah i know.. i just broke up with a girl because I enjoyed crap like this more than being with her |
| 15:36.14 | d0uglas | maybe if she expressed some interest in debian she'd still have me |
| 15:36.30 | cahoot | or upgraded |
| 15:36.32 | Ronin | think you have that backward d0uglas |
| 15:36.37 | petemc | heh |
| 15:37.17 | d0uglas | well screw it, now that i got this email from bill gates promising me at least $10,000 if i forward it to all my friends i'll be able to get all the ass i want |
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| 15:37.35 | cydork | d0uglas: hehe |
| 15:37.36 | crookshanks | icedove? ugh... |
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| 15:37.51 | Ronin | crookshanks: iceweasel isnt it? or did it change already? |
| 15:38.03 | d0uglas | maybe i can find some hookers that will accept the email as payment instead of cash |
| 15:38.04 | crookshanks | i think it's iceape |
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| 15:38.34 | wols | pay them in spam then. they can use it as advertising copy |
| 15:39.11 | cydork | d0uglas: if you find someone like that, please let me know :P |
| 15:39.22 | pickcoder-afk | icemonkey? |
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| 15:40.00 | spike | hi |
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| 15:40.28 | crookshanks | whatever it is, it sucks |
| 15:40.31 | spike | I've got a problem with FAI. when I execute make-fai-nfsroot there's no rcS/fai binary in /usr/lib/fai/nfsroot/usr/sbin |
| 15:40.38 | spike | anybody got an idea why? |
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| 15:42.01 | pickcoder-afk | spike: which fai |
| 15:42.14 | spike | ii fai 2.8.4 Fully Automatic Installation |
| 15:42.23 | pickcoder-afk | 'which fai' |
| 15:42.34 | spike | oh, in that sense, sorry |
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| 15:42.55 | spike | pickcoder-afk: that will return fai installed on the fai server, not "fai" in the fai chroot |
| 15:43.17 | spike | path of+ |
| 15:44.08 | abchirk_ | !ops DangerousGirl[ic |
| 15:44.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk_ complains about: DangerousGirl[ic |
| 15:44.14 | abchirk_ | some porn sites in query |
| 15:44.22 | pickcoder-afk | dunno.. just thought I'd throw it out there |
| 15:44.26 | pickcoder-afk | really afk now |
| 15:44.29 | Ronin | abchirk_: any good ones? |
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| 15:44.45 | abchirk_ | hm didnt looked ;) |
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| 15:45.02 | douglas | So what's the deal with the bcm43xx module. Which sucks less, that or ndiswrappering the windows drivers? |
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| 15:45.19 | pelzi_ | try for yourself |
| 15:45.37 | h3sp4wn | douglas: ndiswrapper works better |
| 15:45.46 | douglas | i've tried both, a lot, and with similar results.. dropped connections, frequent error messages and no wpa success |
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| 15:46.01 | douglas | maybe i'm not uninstalling the other properly |
| 15:46.02 | h3sp4wn | douglas: using the latest ndiswrapper ? |
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| 15:46.10 | douglas | h3sp4wn: i'll check |
| 15:46.22 | h3sp4wn | douglas: on 32 or 64 bit ? |
| 15:46.56 | douglas | whichever is the one that lets you use small-lengthed intelligable passwords |
| 15:47.12 | douglas | or is that wep. |
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| 15:48.46 | dionisos | freenode founder passed ? |
| 15:49.00 | douglas | dionisos: yeah |
| 15:49.35 | douglas | and the gnaa hacked his account, klining and juping like crazy |
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| 15:49.44 | stauki | hello |
| 15:50.01 | douglas | according to wikipedia |
| 15:50.14 | dionisos | gime link |
| 15:50.19 | douglas | hang on |
| 15:50.41 | mentor | I've found bcm43xx to be better |
| 15:51.40 | clietxs | so does anyone know if it's possible to compile amd64 bit kernel on an i386/i686 machine? |
| 15:52.17 | stauki | clietxs, yes that is possible |
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| 15:52.46 | SlayerXP | clietxs: you can compile a kernel for pretty much any architecture on pretty much any architecture |
| 15:53.01 | clietxs | package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) |
| 15:53.17 | clietxs | that's what i receive even trying to --force-architecture doesn't work either. |
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| 15:53.42 | crookshanks | i hope firefox doesn't become earthdragon or something |
| 15:53.42 | clietxs | linux-image-2.6.16-2-amd64-k8-smp_2.6.16-18_amd64.deb |
| 15:53.45 | douglas | dionisos, Robin Levin aka lilo's death: http://freenode.net/news.shtml, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Levin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rob_Levin for the wiki entry about the gnaa that i read which was deleted recently, and http://www.gnaa.us/pr.phtml?troll=gnaa-lilo for the GNAA press releasing denying involvement. |
| 15:53.47 | clietxs | is what i'm trying to compile |
| 15:54.04 | clietxs | on a ; 2.6.18.1 #1 SMP Sat Oct 21 13:06:41 EST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux machine |
| 15:54.06 | Ronin | douglas: ya and anything that the gnaa says is true? heh |
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| 15:54.44 | douglas | Ronin: true, but it is worth mentioning that the wiki mention was removed |
| 15:56.02 | clietxs | SlayerXP: any suggestions or docs i can follow? |
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| 15:57.44 | douglas | man, superkaramba would be really badass if it didn't crash all the time |
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| 16:00.25 | navaladi | hi all,I need IM client with VoIP ...compatible with google talk server. |
| 16:01.32 | cydork | navaladi: tapioca?? |
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| 16:02.34 | cydork | navaladi: that's the only one which supports voice with google talk. for text you can use many others which support jabber. |
| 16:03.08 | navaladi | cydork:hi, thanks |
| 16:03.09 | douglas | navaladi: or to save bandwidth you can use text to speech |
| 16:03.10 | clietxs | I'm having trouble locating a doc that will show me how to compile an amd64 bit kernel on an i386 kernel machine. |
| 16:03.16 | clietxs | can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 16:03.47 | navaladi | douglas:does tapioca support text to speech.? |
| 16:05.05 | douglas | navaladi: not sure, but the better-known tts ware is festival |
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| 16:05.25 | douglas | you could probably tweak it to pick up input from jabber or whatever |
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| 16:05.55 | factorx | Isn't there any possibility to bring centrino 2200 wireless to work with packages from Debian Etch repositories? |
| 16:05.58 | xittum | douglas: you should lisen to festival speaking danish... lol |
| 16:06.02 | douglas | i was half kidding when i mentioned this as an alternative but hey, good luck with it |
| 16:06.16 | GoAuLd | anyone with compiz+ xwinwrap under sid? |
| 16:06.21 | douglas | xittum: haven't used it, i'll go play with it now |
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| 16:06.30 | navaladi | douglas:oh good...no problems i have good bandwidth..:) |
| 16:06.50 | xittum | douglas: as long as its english text it works very well! |
| 16:07.20 | xittum | factorx: i think yu need the firmware from surceforge.. and thats about it |
| 16:07.38 | erore | I installed postgresql and I also need tsearch2 but when I am compiling it I get ERROR: `flex' is missing on your system. It is needed to create the |
| 16:07.38 | erore | file `parser.c'. You can either get flex from a GNU mirror site |
| 16:07.39 | erore | or download an official distribution of PostgreSQL, which contains |
| 16:07.39 | erore | pre-packaged flex output. |
| 16:07.39 | erore | *** |
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| 16:08.34 | clietxs | the only documentation i can find is here; http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30095/16/Debian-amd64-HOWTO.html#base |
| 16:08.35 | xittum | factorx: the rest should be in the kernel/apt.. http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 16:09.19 | factorx | xittum, ty |
| 16:09.25 | clietxs | although step 0.1.0 - 0.1.4 are missing. |
| 16:09.26 | clietxs | errrrrrrrr |
| 16:09.30 | clietxs | wtf |
| 16:09.53 | cydork | !tell factorx about ipw2200 |
| 16:10.13 | xittum | i might ask dpkg about that one myself cydork ;) |
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| 16:10.44 | factorx | cydork, ty as well |
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| 16:12.02 | xittum | i could nt get module-assistant to build the ipw2200 packages/drivers last time i tested :-/ |
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| 16:18.17 | Jabka | any one here from SCE ? |
| 16:19.52 | Mooi | when I start xawtv, I get "X Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode". What should I do to solve this? |
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| 16:20.45 | Jabka | Iwhere do apt-get source put the source files it download ? |
| 16:20.45 | stauki | Jabka, the directory you are in |
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| 16:23.36 | Jabka | stuaki thnx |
| 16:23.51 | douglas | nice, kismet supports ndiswrapper now |
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| 16:28.16 | Jabka | does configure need root accses ? |
| 16:28.26 | pingouin | how to use postfix to send from 2 or 3 differents mails (mymail1@ispn.com, mymail2@ispn.com) with the same user loged in ? any clue (sender_canonical ? aliases ?) ? please, thank you. |
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| 16:31.23 | douglas | Hi. How can i get alt tab to scroll through apps on different desktops? right now it's isolated to what's on the active one.. know what i'm sayin'? |
| 16:32.01 | lo | install windows? |
| 16:32.02 | lo | :) |
| 16:32.07 | Feax-Crysis | Can anyone goes to KDE configuration, and say me the writes you use for display please ? |
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| 16:33.51 | factorx | !tell factorx about contrib |
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| 16:34.00 | clietxs | looking for someone who might be able to direct me to a doc or man page that will help assist in a 32bit kernel to 64bit kernel upgrade. |
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| 16:34.43 | mattl | does anyone know which product installs glxgears? |
| 16:34.55 | Jabka | clietxs:is your machine have all system 64 bit ? |
| 16:35.01 | vin` | mattl: use apt-file to search |
| 16:35.07 | wols | !tell mattl about search |
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| 16:35.29 | wols | clietxs: compile the 64bit kernel with gcc-4.1 or biggre for amd64 platform |
| 16:35.36 | mattl | vin`, i don't have apt-file :) |
| 16:35.51 | pumpkin0 | douglas: that depends on your WM (windows manager). It´s a simple checkbox in KDE and gnome. |
| 16:35.54 | vin` | mattl: use aptitude to install it. ;) |
| 16:36.04 | mattl | hah. thanks. |
| 16:36.04 | douglas | pumpkin0: thanks, nevermind, found it :) |
| 16:36.40 | douglas | mattl: iirc, fglrx-driver or fglrx-control |
| 16:36.40 | yetist_ | è°åœ¨ç”¨linux,并且硬盘是sata的？ |
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| 16:37.10 | yetist_ | who now use linux? and use sata disk? |
| 16:37.14 | vin` | douglas: or mesa-utils |
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| 16:37.21 | pif | hi, how can I find out _when_ a package was upgraded (or installed)? |
| 16:37.32 | fasta | !anyone |
| 16:37.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:37.42 | erxz_paste | "Mahje" at 84.155.224.214 pasted "dsdadsadasdasdasdasda" (1 line) at http://erxz.com/pb/3889 |
| 16:38.17 | Cobbelo | I have experimental problem with apt-get, Can somebody help me ? >> http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=21050 |
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| 16:38.58 | douglas | Cobbelo: you gotta state your problem specifically, yo. |
| 16:39.18 | yetist_ | who can tell me the directory "/sys/class/scsi_device" has subdir when use sata hardisk ? |
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| 16:39.24 | Jabka | well have to go thnq for all |
| 16:39.42 | douglas | i installed compiz but it doesn't show up as an option in gdm.. what gives? |
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| 16:40.16 | DevilChaos | Eulex you there? |
| 16:40.20 | vin` | douglas: try compiz --replace in a terminal |
| 16:40.36 | douglas | all right, thanks vin` |
| 16:41.26 | DevilChaos | anyway i keep getting this message poping up on my screen on my laptop after installing debian unstable 32 2.6.18-1 486 |
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| 16:41.39 | clietxs | Jabka: my machine is an AMD64 dual cored 265 |
| 16:41.49 | clietxs | i'm running the i686 version of 2.6.18.1 SMP |
| 16:41.53 | clietxs | which is running nicely. |
| 16:42.07 | clietxs | just wondering if i can upgrade the 32bit kernel to 64bit kernel without doing a fresh install. |
| 16:42.09 | yetist_ | please run 'ls /sys/class/scsi_device' , and tell me result when you use sata disk,and not use use flash disk or use removable disk. I want the info. |
| 16:42.10 | douglas | vin`: hmm, that gives me this, Window manager warning: Failed to load theme "Clearlooks": Failed to open file '/usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml': No such file or directory, and some other errors. something pops up asking for a name of the new session but it hangs after that |
| 16:42.11 | DevilChaos | INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minurtes |
| 16:42.13 | DevilChaos | ? |
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| 16:42.40 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 16:43.10 | douglas | maybe i need to install metacity |
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| 16:43.36 | Jabka | clietxs: you shoukd install all the system for amd64 |
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| 16:44.11 | Charminthemoose | why can't i get rid of metacity without removing the package 'gnome'? |
| 16:44.11 | vin` | Cobbelo: which version of python-central do you have? |
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| 16:44.48 | vin` | douglas: works fine here, which graphics card? |
| 16:45.28 | douglas | vin`: ati radeon igp 320m... went through hell to get 3d going but google earth suddenly works |
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| 16:45.28 | douglas | figured i'd get lucky with compiz |
| 16:46.06 | vin` | douglas: I don't think aiglx/compiz works with ati, you'll probably need xgl/beryl. |
| 16:46.24 | douglas | okay |
| 16:46.32 | Cobbelo | vin`: pycentral showversions | 2.3 2.4 |
| 16:46.41 | yetist_ | who can help me? |
| 16:46.59 | vin` | Cobbelo: dpkg -l python-central |
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| 16:47.14 | Necroalbert | Hi ! |
| 16:47.19 | douglas | vin': not finding xgl or beryl on apt cache.. am i gonna have to compile that sucker? |
| 16:47.29 | douglas | what is this, slackware or somethin'? :P |
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| 16:47.38 | Cobbelo | vin`: python-central 0.5.6 |
| 16:47.57 | vin` | douglas: still cooking, patience is a virtue. |
| 16:48.16 | douglas | i'll give it a whirl |
| 16:48.19 | douglas | thanks btw |
| 16:49.04 | craigevil | douglas kanotix has a beryl package that works in testing/sid |
| 16:49.13 | douglas | nice |
| 16:49.21 | vin` | Cobbelo: running sid? |
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| 16:50.13 | yetist_ | where can download the deb package to use beryl? |
| 16:50.31 | yetist_ | for testing |
| 16:50.36 | douglas | craigevil: not registered, can't /msg back.. i'll try that, thank you |
| 16:51.09 | Cobbelo | vin`: Testing |
| 16:51.15 | Charminthemoose | how do i set up Gnome to use the sawfish wm?or anyother wm for that matter? |
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| 16:52.24 | Charminthemoose | when i say gnome i mean the GNome desktop manager |
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| 16:53.15 | bbelt16ag | how many cds is the testing ver. of debian? |
| 16:53.27 | Ronin | bbelt16ag: 14 i think |
| 16:53.29 | Cobbelo | vin`: this is "etch" I think :D |
| 16:53.33 | Ronin | or one mini cd if you prefer |
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| 16:53.47 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 16:54.03 | yetist_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.12 | Skiver | oopss |
| 16:54.16 | bbelt16ag | one more question is the source version just the files or an actual version of debian that is compiled for your box? |
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| 16:54.18 | d0uglas | is a kvcd likely to work in a toshiba dvd player that does not seem to read audio cdrs? |
| 16:54.23 | bbelt16ag | go yetist |
| 16:54.26 | d0uglas | yetist_: gotta watch out for that space bar bro |
| 16:54.35 | dareth | try /msg might want to do that in console |
| 16:54.36 | pif | hehe |
| 16:55.01 | dareth | hope he isn't attached to password. |
| 16:55.03 | yetist_ | thanks |
| 16:55.06 | dareth | hate losing a good one. |
| 16:55.31 | Kurt2 | wtf mate |
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| 16:56.36 | EvilDin | how do i add group in shell? |
| 16:56.45 | jahshua | hello |
| 16:56.53 | karsten | yetist_: it's /msg nickserv identify ******* |
| 16:56.55 | pickcoder | addgroup? |
| 16:57.00 | factorx_ | I just tried to install ipw2200 just like dpkg told me, but there was an error. I uploaded my buildlog at http://nopaste.info/044bc84b74_nl.html. What went wrong there? I have my kernel-headers-`uname -r` installed properly... it should be 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 16:57.10 | jahshua | could anyone help me out with removing gdm/kdm from my startup, so i login with bash shell ? |
| 16:57.15 | jahshua | please. |
| 16:57.15 | lepton | EvilDin: groupadd |
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| 16:58.10 | iidentify | thx, karster |
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| 17:00.29 | Cobbelo | vin`: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359264 |
| 17:00.33 | cydork | factorx_: if your kernel is 2.6.17 it is built into that. |
| 17:00.55 | okk | addgroup |
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| 17:01.19 | factorx_ | cydork, so a modprobe ipw2200 should work? |
| 17:01.34 | cydork | factorx_: check modprobe -l|grep ipw2200 |
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| 17:01.41 | cydork | factorx_: yep it should work |
| 17:02.20 | factorx_ | cydork, it's there, but modprobe ipw2200 fails: FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 17:02.29 | bbelt16ag | can somebody pls link the torrent files for I386 dvd files pls? |
| 17:02.34 | cydork | factorx_: have you installed firmware? |
| 17:02.52 | factorx_ | cydork, yes, it's unpacked in /lib/firmware as dpkg told me |
| 17:03.05 | john_doe | Should here by chance be a frenchman (or someone else french speaking) who could tell me what a system administrator is called in french? |
| 17:03.11 | vin` | Cobbelo: you may have to comment out some stuff in /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgconf2-4.postrm, what's in there? |
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| 17:03.41 | cydork | factorx_: check dmesg and paste that in a paster. |
| 17:04.14 | vin` | Cobbelo: or in the postrm of gconftool-2 |
| 17:04.35 | factorx_ | cydork, http://nopaste.info/e95a3b4d53.html |
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| 17:06.20 | factorx_ | That's all in there concerning ipw2200 |
| 17:06.46 | pumpkin0 | factorx: that´s a self-compiled kernel ? |
| 17:06.48 | Charminthemoose | how do i set up gdm to start a particular window manager? |
| 17:06.56 | cydork | factorx_: which firmware have you installed? |
| 17:07.08 | factorx_ | pumpkin0, no, it's plain 2.6.17-2-686 from apt |
| 17:07.13 | Bertram | john_doe: speaking frech ? Adminstrateur |
| 17:07.17 | Bertram | Système |
| 17:07.19 | Bertram | ? |
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| 17:07.27 | vin` | Charminthemoose: select one, it'll load the same one the next time you log-in. |
| 17:07.41 | erore | How to change under which user apache is run? |
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| 17:08.00 | john_doe | Bertram: thanks |
| 17:08.06 | pumpkin0 | factorx: OK, so which firmware did you use ? |
| 17:08.06 | Charminthemoose | vin` how do i select it? |
| 17:08.14 | factorx_ | cydork, firmware v.3.0 |
| 17:08.25 | cydork | erore: check /etc/apache2/apache2.conf there is a option for that. |
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| 17:09.29 | vin` | Charminthemoose: aren't there any options in the gdm login screen? |
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| 17:10.33 | sandman | There appears to be a discrepancy in the dependencies for mediawiki1.7 |
| 17:10.37 | bbelt16ag | why isnt there a bittorrent download for testing i386?? |
| 17:10.43 | bbelt16ag | the folder is empty |
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| 17:10.59 | Charminthemoose | vin`: nope |
| 17:11.01 | sandman | mediawiki1.7 suggests mediawiki-math1.7, which is unavailable. But the package mediawiki1.7-math is available, and I believe it is the same thing. |
| 17:11.28 | sandman | However, the suggestion points to the wrong one. This can be found under mediawiki1.7, if someone would be so kind as to verify my suspicion. |
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| 17:13.10 | vin` | Charminthemoose: no 'session'? |
| 17:13.50 | Charminthemoose | apologies |
| 17:13.52 | Charminthemoose | i misunderstood |
| 17:14.10 | Charminthemoose | There are options there,but my window manager is not displayed |
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| 17:14.20 | Charminthemoose | in the session drop down box |
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| 17:16.19 | Cobbelo | vin`: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=21053 |
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| 17:17.27 | Charminthemoose | anyone? |
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| 17:18.46 | erore | I compiled php but now I need to add one option to configure, should I first uninstall php and then again configure compile and install or shall I leave php as it is and just configure, compile and install over? |
| 17:18.54 | catskul | anyone else having trouble updating from ftp.us.debian.org ? |
| 17:19.00 | catskul | I keep getting: Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release.gpg |
| 17:19.00 | catskul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.01 | xittum | bbelt16ag: i guess cause etch iso change A LOT lately.. etch beta3 install is broken already |
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| 17:19.13 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 17:21.15 | vin` | Cobbelo: is there a gconf2.postrm? |
| 17:21.30 | Cobbelo | no have |
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| 17:21.47 | vin` | Charminthemoose: try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 17:22.22 | infernix | i've got a few dozen used harddrives i need to test; they come from all kinds of machines, both PATA and SATs. does someone know of a test suite iso or distro? I can ofcourse make my own[tm] but if i can save some time, that'd be nice:) |
| 17:22.41 | infernix | or a debian package, ofcourse:) |
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| 17:23.32 | Cobbelo | vin`: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=21054 |
| 17:25.53 | pickcoder | infernix: testdisk |
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| 17:27.14 | vin` | Cobbelo: libgnome2-common and gnome-session postrms probably |
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| 17:27.56 | afra23 | What can I do about: 'Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxml2/libxml2_2.6.26.dfsg-3_amd64.deb 404 Not Found'?? |
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| 17:29.26 | infernix | pickcoder: testdisk is more of a recovery tool. I'm thinking more of a SMART check and a badblock readwrite check kind of test, but I guess I'll have to build my own testbed :) |
| 17:29.51 | factorx_ | cydork, I just figured out that ieee80211 - which is a dep for ipw2200 - is not in modprobe -l. How can I make it visible to modprobe, if I have the binary modules available? |
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| 17:31.14 | glitch- | pickcoder |
| 17:31.42 | Cobbelo | vin`: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=21055 |
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| 17:32.49 | JordiGH | Hm, I can't seem to find any 2.4 linux kernel packages except the speakup kernel. |
| 17:33.03 | JordiGH | Is this because they changed their name, or am I looking in the wrong place, or what? |
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| 17:33.41 | JordiGH | In all honesty, the only reason why I want a 2.4 kernel is that someone told me that my packet loss and inability to reach certain websites from Debian is due to some kind of bug in the 2.6 kernel not found in the 2.4 series. |
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| 17:34.16 | bkw | Is latex-make the main package that includes a tool to compile .tex files? |
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| 17:34.40 | george_ | JordiGH: try kernel-image-* |
| 17:34.52 | pickcoder | glitch-: ? |
| 17:34.53 | JordiGH | bkw: No. tetex or texlive is what you want. |
| 17:35.11 | bkw | texlive is installed |
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| 17:35.30 | bkw | but kile doesn't handle latex compiles with that |
| 17:35.55 | glitch- | pickcoder:whats the nice specs for buying a webhosting? |
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| 17:35.59 | JordiGH | bkw: ? It should. Does the command "latex" do anything? I use tetex myself, but I'm sure texlive also provides the same command. |
| 17:36.14 | glitch- | host or hosting |
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| 17:36.26 | JordiGH | george_: Yeah, only the speakup kernel is there. Weird. |
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| 17:37.04 | syntaxx | i know this is not iptables and i know some of you knows iptables im new to iptables im wondering when i launch my rule i cant browse my local webserver http://pastebin.ca/217501 does anyone know what im missing? |
| 17:37.07 | george_ | from etch? look at sarge |
| 17:37.31 | vin` | Cobbelo: I would comment out the lines Automatically added by dh_gconf from both those files, perhaps there are better solutions. |
| 17:37.48 | george_ | you can |
| 17:38.07 | bkw | hm, I installed texlive-base-bin, which doesn't do 'latex' |
| 17:38.13 | george_ | maybe you didn't know that debian packages can be downloaded without apt |
| 17:38.15 | bkw | but I can see there's a texlive also |
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| 17:38.46 | JordiGH | george_: My network connection is a problem right now. I seem to be losing packages, so browsing debian.org is unwieldy, and getting the entire package repository with apt takes a long time. |
| 17:39.10 | JordiGH | Er. s/losing packages/losing packets |
| 17:39.22 | george_ | what part of "without apt" didn' |
| 17:39.27 | george_ | t you get? :) |
| 17:39.37 | bkw | ah, apt-get install "texlive" shows texlive-latex-base texlive-latex-recommended texlive-metapost texlive-pdfetex |
| 17:39.38 | JordiGH | george_: Dude, I can't see debian.org with a web browser. |
| 17:39.43 | bkw | which sounds very good |
| 17:40.03 | george_ | what processor do you have? |
| 17:40.09 | buu | Hrm. How do I get a list of fonts on my system in a useful manner? |
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| 17:40.41 | Cobbelo | vin`: what is best way to solve this problem? update manually some librarys or update whole system to sid ? |
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| 17:41.39 | JordiGH | george_: pentium 4. |
| 17:42.14 | JordiGH | george_: I don't get *any* packets from debian.org. This is why I want to see if a different kernel will fix this. |
| 17:42.59 | pingouin | how to use postfix to send from 2 or 3 differents mails (mymail1@ispn.com, mymail2@ispn.com) with the same user loged in ? any clue (sender_canonical ? aliases ?) ? please, thank you. |
| 17:43.00 | JordiGH | I don't get any from wikipedia.org, or sourceforge.net, or flickr.com, and a bunch of other different hosts, but I get them from google and openbsd.org and others. |
| 17:43.08 | george_ | can you run dig www.debian.org? |
| 17:43.39 | JordiGH | george_: Apparently, yes. Any of that output you want to see? |
| 17:43.54 | george_ | so you can reach the name server |
| 17:44.01 | JordiGH | Yes, it's not a dns problem. |
| 17:44.11 | george_ | look at the a record |
| 17:44.24 | george_ | see if you can ping its numeric address |
| 17:44.53 | JordiGH | Nothing pongs, only stuff in my local school network. |
| 17:45.23 | george_ | could it be that your school is restricting your access? |
| 17:45.25 | JordiGH | Not even hosts I can reach pong. |
| 17:45.43 | JordiGH | george_: I don't think so. If I reboot this machine into Windows, I can see any http address I can think of. |
| 17:45.47 | george_ | oh, so maybe your school is denying icmp |
| 17:46.24 | george_ | out of idle curiousity, do you get pongs when you're in win? |
| 17:46.50 | george_ | don't reboot to answer that... |
| 17:46.54 | vin` | Cobbelo: try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, afaik, this is probably fixed in newer packages of python-* and gnome, but you'll need to get out of this loop to complete the installation of 41 packages that are pending in your queue. I had a similar problem a couple of weeks back and was told it was a file system corruption. wangdong |
| 17:46.57 | JordiGH | Haven't tried. I didn't even know you could ping from Windows. :P |
| 17:47.14 | george_ | yeah, you can open a msdos prompt and ping from there |
| 17:47.21 | JordiGH | I'll try later. |
| 17:47.31 | george_ | ok... |
| 17:48.32 | vin` | Cobbelo: if you don't get any better solutions, comment out the lines from those two postrm files. |
| 17:48.48 | JordiGH | george_: Alrighty, just had an office mate try pinging Google. No pong. |
| 17:49.08 | george_ | do you use iptables in any way on that box? |
| 17:49.19 | JordiGH | george_: Not consciously. |
| 17:49.36 | george_ | ok, try this as root... |
| 17:49.50 | george_ | iptables -L |
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| 17:50.18 | JordiGH | george_: Everything seems empty. |
| 17:50.22 | pickcoder | glitch-: what do you mean? |
| 17:50.23 | george_ | ok |
| 17:50.40 | george_ | do you generally use kernels marked for 686? |
| 17:50.43 | JordiGH | I do. |
| 17:50.53 | george_ | with or without smp? |
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| 17:50.56 | JordiGH | without. |
| 17:51.05 | george_ | ok, one sec |
| 17:51.52 | cureless | JordiGH: are you running sarge? |
| 17:52.11 | JordiGH | cureless: No, mixed testing unstable with testing preferred. |
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| 17:52.22 | cureless | JordiGH: what kernel are you running? |
| 17:52.34 | JordiGH | 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 17:52.44 | Phroziac | how can i make konqueror show thumbnails of big pictures? like 1-3mb ones. |
| 17:52.47 | george_ | 2.4.27 ok? |
| 17:53.01 | cureless | Phroziac: increase the size of files to be previewed in the configuration |
| 17:53.09 | pickcoder | I had 2.6.17 fall over on me. Never had a problem with 2.6.16 |
| 17:53.14 | JordiGH | george_: I haven't tried. I'm downloading the speakup kernel now (which is 2.4.27, speakup is something for screen readers, apparently). |
| 17:53.22 | JordiGH | Phroziac: Wait longer. |
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| 17:53.46 | Phroziac | JordiGH: it normally doesn't even try after a certain size, i think it's like a meg. |
| 17:53.55 | cureless | JordiGH: you're going to need more than time |
| 17:54.00 | cureless | Phroziac: did you do what I told you to? |
| 17:54.17 | Phroziac | yup, it's 1meg |
| 17:54.19 | Phroziac | cureless: yup. i did now. |
| 17:54.25 | Phroziac | thank you. i didn't know it was that easy. |
| 17:54.32 | JordiGH | Hm, I didn't realise that Konqui wouldn't thumbnail pictures that are too big. I thought it just took a longer time to do so sometimes. |
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| 17:54.53 | cureless | JordiGH: it has a limit of 1 Meg by default, You can change it in the config |
| 17:55.00 | cureless | It also limits what protocols it previews. |
| 17:55.33 | JordiGH | cureless: So I see. Good to know for future reference. |
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| 17:55.53 | stranger | hi all, |
| 17:57.19 | syntaxx | i know this is not iptables and i know some of you knows iptables im new to iptables im wondering when i launch my rule i cant browse my local webserver http://pastebin.ca/217501 does anyone know what im missing? |
| 17:57.21 | cureless | JordiGH: what is your problem again? |
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| 17:57.57 | bkw | JordiGH: btw, thanks for your earlier hint about the "texlive" pkg. Working well now. |
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| 17:58.42 | JordiGH | cureless: I can't get any packets through http from a number of seemingly random hosts, but I can from others. I'm in a school network that apparently doesn't have that many restrictions, since I can reach those hosts when I reboot into Windows. A friend here suggested that perhaps using a 2.4 kernel could solve my problems. |
| 17:58.47 | george_ | cureless: net is smaller when he runs linux... windows on the same box has the net be the same size |
| 17:58.58 | JordiGH | cureless: It's not a DNS problem. |
| 17:59.09 | cureless | JordiGH: so on Linux you can't see some hosts?? |
| 17:59.14 | JordiGH | bkw: Woohoo!! |
| 17:59.22 | JordiGH | cureless: On Debian, yes. |
| 17:59.29 | JordiGH | bkw: LaTeX for all! :D |
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| 18:00.15 | SoulX | hi all |
| 18:00.22 | cureless | JordiGH: do a cat to: "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn" |
| 18:00.40 | george_ | could someone download http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.27-i386/kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686_2.4.27-10sarge4_i386.deb for JordiGH and let him download it |
| 18:01.13 | JordiGH | george_: I can get it. Just no comfortably. I need to ssh around. |
| 18:01.16 | JordiGH | not |
| 18:01.20 | stranger | I finished upgrading sarge to etch in my computer and everything seems working fine (almost so far). but I noticed that now I cannot play any video file, as all give this error:You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file. You might need to install the necessary plugins. |
| 18:01.23 | george_ | so you want a cat cat?? :) |
| 18:01.29 | cureless | JordiGH: do a cat to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn |
| 18:01.43 | cureless | not cat to cat, that was a typo |
| 18:01.48 | pickcoder | syntaxis: maybe you should allow "lo" through? |
| 18:02.10 | pickcoder | iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT |
| 18:02.22 | pickcoder | iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT |
| 18:02.58 | JordiGH | cureless: As root? Uh, what is that gonna do? Permission denied here. |
| 18:03.05 | pickcoder | drop the 127 rules and see if it works |
| 18:03.13 | pickcoder | mtg.. bbl |
| 18:03.16 | cureless | JordiGH: hmm, strange, you shouldn't need permission |
| 18:03.28 | cureless | JordiGH: does the file exist? |
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| 18:03.49 | JordiGH | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 23 13:07 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn |
| 18:04.00 | cureless | JordiGH: so, just cat it |
| 18:04.27 | george_ | maybe one of those dirs is permissioned weirdly |
| 18:04.42 | JordiGH | cureless: 0. |
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| 18:04.50 | cureless | JordiGH: ok, nevermind then, just checking. |
| 18:05.09 | JordiGH | cureless: I thought you meant to cat something to it. I catted some random text file I had in ~. |
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| 18:05.33 | cureless | that's not what I meant, sorry for the confusion. |
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| 18:05.38 | george_ | the file is size 0? |
| 18:05.46 | cureless | the contents are 0 |
| 18:05.52 | george_ | ahh |
| 18:05.53 | JordiGH | No, the file contains a single character, '0'. |
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| 18:06.13 | Xri34 | why would it have 's on each side of the 0 |
| 18:06.13 | george_ | damn, the name is longer than the content... |
| 18:06.17 | Xri34 | :P |
| 18:06.19 | cureless | size is 0 because it's not a real file. |
| 18:06.20 | Joenin | investigating |
| 18:06.49 | george_ | Xri34: it wouldn |
| 18:06.51 | george_ | t |
| 18:07.03 | JordiGH | george_: SMILEY ALERT!! |
| 18:07.07 | Xri34 | lol |
| 18:07.09 | cureless | JordiGH: can you traceroute to www.debian.org? |
| 18:07.24 | george_ | smelly alert?? |
| 18:07.26 | smhar | I finished upgrading sarge to etch in my computer and everything seems working fine (almost so far). but I noticed that now I cannot play any video file, as all give this error:You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file. You might need to install the necessary plugins. |
| 18:07.28 | smhar | clear |
| 18:07.31 | JordiGH | cureless: All traceroutes terminate with one hop at a machine in my local network. |
| 18:07.31 | Xri34 | rolf. |
| 18:07.46 | lunitik | !proc |
| 18:07.46 | dpkg | i heard proc is on Unix-like computer systems, procfs is short for process filesystem: a pseudo-filesystem which is used to access kernel information about processes. Because /proc is not a real file system, it does not consume any storage space, and it consumes only a limited amount of memory. The filesystem is often mounted at /proc. It is supported under Solaris, BSD and Linux, and the latter also extends it to non-process-related data. |
| 18:07.52 | cureless | all hops stop at the next hop? |
| 18:07.56 | Xri34 | install a decoder to handle those files |
| 18:08.03 | cureless | JordiGH: I mean, all connections stop at the next hop? |
| 18:08.25 | JordiGH | jordi@Ophelia:~$ traceroute google.com |
| 18:08.25 | JordiGH | traceroute: Warning: google.com has multiple addresses; using 72.14.207.99 |
| 18:08.25 | JordiGH | traceroute to google.com (72.14.207.99), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
| 18:08.25 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:08.36 | Xri34 | lol |
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| 18:09.37 | cureless | JordiGH:who controls soek-est? |
| 18:09.40 | lunitik | Its really not rocket science ffs |
| 18:09.59 | lunitik | Although there are probably packages in Debian for that end... but thats besides the point |
| 18:10.07 | Xri34 | What's "This error means you need to install [this] from [here]' OMG WAT DU I DU |
| 18:10.13 | george_ | and that's because debian doesn'[t have packages containing rocket fuel! |
| 18:11.15 | Xri34 | opposed to |
| 18:11.16 | lunitik | Awww... bottlerocket is the only related thing I see :( |
| 18:11.24 | Xri34 | in4mer signoff (failed) |
| 18:11.30 | george_ | jes print that hop from where it stop |
| 18:11.53 | lunitik | the rhyming... umm... george! |
| 18:12.07 | Xri34 | gorge |
| 18:12.18 | george_ | laforge |
| 18:12.35 | Xri34 | how hicks pronounce 'porridge' |
| 18:12.42 | Xri34 | pohrg |
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| 18:13.26 | JordiGH | Is this thing on? |
| 18:13.28 | JordiGH | !moo |
| 18:13.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 18:13.31 | george_ | no |
| 18:13.38 | Xri34 | ... |
| 18:13.39 | george_ | !test |
| 18:13.39 | dpkg | Sorry, george_, I didn't get your test. |
| 18:13.51 | JordiGH | Okay, it is. Did you hear what I said about the 4 lines I pasted being everything there is? |
| 18:13.54 | Xri34 | apt-get moooooooooooo |
| 18:14.14 | JordiGH | Xri34: itym aptitude. ;-) |
| 18:14.21 | Xri34 | nowai |
| 18:14.23 | cureless | JordiGH: yes, and I asked who controls that net hop |
| 18:14.25 | Xri34 | Yumex |
| 18:14.26 | Xri34 | lawl |
| 18:14.28 | cureless | s/net/next/ |
| 18:14.34 | JordiGH | cureless: How can I find out? |
| 18:14.36 | Xri34 | I yews phedorah |
| 18:14.54 | cureless | JordiGH: I guess the answer is "not me". |
| 18:14.56 | george_ | jes print that hop from where it stop |
| 18:15.00 | smhar | where are the codecs for video types located and how to install them? |
| 18:15.17 | JordiGH | smhar: codecs are problematic, but you can try marillat. |
| 18:15.19 | JordiGH | !marillat |
| 18:15.19 | dpkg | methinks marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 18:15.24 | Xri34 | www.videocodecsandinstallsallhere.com |
| 18:15.27 | cureless | JordiGH: what is the configuration of the windows machine? |
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| 18:16.03 | JordiGH | cureless: Uh, "none". I don't know. You grab any Windows machine, you plug it into this ethernet cable, and you get all the hosts. I don't know anything about how Windows configures its network. |
| 18:16.11 | pelzi_ | dhcp |
| 18:16.20 | pelzi_ | have you tried changing the mtu just for kicks |
| 18:16.31 | JordiGH | pelzi_: No, I haven't. How? |
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| 18:16.52 | JordiGH | Also, I asked something slightly unrelated. How come the kernel install scripts don't use debconf? Doesn't this violate Debian policy? |
| 18:16.54 | pelzi_ | ifconig $foo mtu someting-less-than-1500 |
| 18:16.55 | vin` | Cobbelo: lemme know if you resolve it. |
| 18:16.57 | stone_ | hey not subject relavent but does anyone know a bypassbess website? |
| 18:17.11 | george_ | can you find out what the mtu is set at while in win? |
| 18:17.18 | JordiGH | pelzi_: foo? |
| 18:17.25 | pelzi_ | (damn toilet lappy drops characters) |
| 18:17.27 | pelzi_ | the interface |
| 18:17.27 | JordiGH | pelzi_: eth0? |
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| 18:17.31 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 18:17.39 | Annirak | Hi, I have a device that behaves as a volatile USB storage device. Writes work fine, values change when the cache gets written, so sync will update everything. Reads, however, are a problem. The device is read once on startup, and I can see no way to get it re-read. How can I either mount a device with no cacheing, or force a re-read of a device? |
| 18:17.59 | JordiGH | without the $ |
| 18:18.03 | pelzi_ | mount it sync? |
| 18:18.14 | pelzi_ | of course without the $ |
| 18:18.17 | JordiGH | Your metasynctactic variables have metasyntactic syntax on top of them1 |
| 18:18.18 | JordiGH | ! |
| 18:18.19 | Cobbelo | vin`: yes I want, but I don't know how :D |
| 18:18.32 | Annirak | plezi_ Mount it with the synchronous option? |
| 18:18.39 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 18:18.52 | george_ | if you're metasyntatical, it's time for a sebbatical... |
| 18:18.52 | pelzi_ | other than that, I have no idea |
| 18:19.09 | Annirak | plezi_ tried it, doesn't work. It forces writes, but it doesn't sync up the reads. |
| 18:19.17 | pelzi_ | heck, I'm finished, later |
| 18:19.27 | pelzi_ | umm... you're changing the fs while it is mounted? |
| 18:19.55 | Annirak | That's correct. It's an I device masquerading as a USB storage device |
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| 18:20.01 | Annirak | IO* |
| 18:20.01 | pelzi_ | umm... |
| 18:20.09 | pelzi_ | that is b-r-a-i-n-d-e-a-d. |
| 18:20.27 | george_ | or that's shaving a few bux off the manuf cost |
| 18:20.30 | JordiGH | pelzi_: Nothing seems to be different if I change the mtu to 1000. |
| 18:20.31 | pelzi_ | I'd say it is impossible. umount and remount to get it re-read. |
| 18:20.47 | pelzi_ | JordiGH: ok, one possibility less |
| 18:21.17 | Annirak | I'm not going to argue about the practicality of the solution, I just want to see if it can be made to work. |
| 18:21.17 | JordiGH | george_: Why did you recommend that kernel in particular instead of the speakup kernel? |
| 18:21.35 | george_ | I was assuming you didn't want the speakup |
| 18:21.41 | JordiGH | oh, crap. I forgot to backup my menu.lst. grub-update probably made a mess of things again. :-( |
| 18:21.41 | pelzi_ | as I said, umount and mount it again. |
| 18:21.59 | JordiGH | george_: Oh, not particularly. But I'll try both. |
| 18:22.06 | george_ | you have to put your changes outside the markers |
| 18:22.07 | Annirak | Alrighty. That was what I had surmised. I was hoping for a better option. |
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| 18:22.15 | george_ | then it won't touch them |
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| 18:24.04 | JordiGH | george_: You mean in menu.lst? Which markers? |
| 18:24.16 | george_ | it says magic kernel something |
| 18:24.38 | george_ | it marks the beginnning and end of the section that can be changed by update-grub |
| 18:24.55 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:24.55 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:25.07 | george_ | why do you popcon so much? |
| 18:25.16 | tarzeau | george_: did you install it? |
| 18:25.22 | JordiGH | No, it still messes around with my menu.lst. It gets the device names wrong. |
| 18:25.25 | george_ | nope :) |
| 18:25.30 | tarzeau | george_: that's why |
| 18:25.46 | george_ | because I didn't install it? |
| 18:25.53 | tarzeau | george_: yes |
| 18:26.10 | george_ | I see so you want popcon to be more pop |
| 18:26.20 | JordiGH | And it forgets to add the Windows partition. |
| 18:26.25 | tarzeau | george_: exactly |
| 18:26.35 | JordiGH | Ah, good. I found a working backup menu.lst. All's good. :-) |
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| 18:27.09 | george_ | why does it get the device names wrong? |
| 18:27.27 | JordiGH | Probably because they are wrong in the automagic section I never pay attention to. I'll fix that. |
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| 18:27.41 | JordiGH | I don't know why it doesn't see my Windows partition, but that's a very forgivable mistake. :-) |
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| 18:27.57 | george_ | you can boot it at the grub shell anyway |
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| 18:28.10 | JordiGH | Oh, yes. I can boot it no problem. It's just menu.lst that's messed up. |
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| 18:28.49 | cr3 | does /proc/cpuinfo show two entry for each dual core processor? |
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| 18:29.34 | george_ | did you get the url I posted for the kernel? |
| 18:30.29 | JordiGH | Yes, I did. It's downloaded. But I'm going to try booting the speakup kernel first. Brb. |
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| 18:31.56 | nox-Hand | Hey |
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| 18:32.23 | nox-Hand | I am looking to possibly change to Debian.. I want new software :) So, would testing or unstable be good? |
| 18:32.36 | nox-Hand | How big an ´age' gap is there? |
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| 18:33.01 | george_ | nox-Hand: you could build any new software you want yourself on the dist you have |
| 18:33.10 | pelzi_ | sarge is old. testing and unstable are new |
| 18:33.26 | milc | this is sortof on-topic, anyone know of a good structure for organizing your home directory? I'm reworking mine and looking for inspiration. |
| 18:33.35 | tarzeau | pelzi_: but sarge isn't too old |
| 18:33.40 | tarzeau | pelzi_: many people use it |
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| 18:33.46 | pelzi_ | matter of taste |
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| 18:33.51 | dareth | what are you trying to organize, personal files, code etc Milc? |
| 18:33.54 | nox-Hand | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.55 | tarzeau | milc: like number of files in ./ ? |
| 18:33.59 | cydork | pelzi_, sarge stable, not old :) |
| 18:34.01 | george_ | if your taste is in servers, you want stable |
| 18:34.16 | nox-Hand | george_: I just want to know whether I should use unstable or testing :) It's for a desktop PC |
| 18:34.17 | tarzeau | i don't think using stable has to do with server or workstation |
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| 18:34.22 | tarzeau | we use it on 150 workstations... |
| 18:34.38 | milc | dareth, yeah, personal files, docs for various things, code, mp3s, etc |
| 18:34.39 | george_ | I do, but that |
| 18:34.47 | tarzeau | nox-Hand: the gap can be large, but then, there's other distributions not having what's in sid |
| 18:34.49 | george_ | is only due to what I hear from the public |
| 18:34.55 | milc | packaging stuff |
| 18:34.57 | tarzeau | nox-Hand: on the other hand there's others having software that debian sid doesn't have |
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| 18:35.07 | tarzeau | nox-Hand: if you ever encounter the latter (and it's a game :) be sure to tell me |
| 18:35.12 | nox-Hand | tarzeau: that's where sources.list comes in :) |
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| 18:35.24 | tarzeau | nox-Hand: i never use foreign sources: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 18:35.37 | nox-Hand | tarzeau: Riight, I am trying to find the sid download link |
| 18:35.48 | nox-Hand | I see two testing links, not one testing, one unstable -_- |
| 18:36.00 | george_ | you probably can't install unstable directly |
| 18:36.04 | tarzeau | nox-Hand: the telnet to me? just sed s,unstable,testing,g ? |
| 18:36.05 | repp | i'm experiencing lockups with AIGLX and compiz on a g450 card, the system freezes as i start compiz. any advice? |
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| 18:36.23 | george_ | what you can do is install testing and upgrade it to unstable after just getting the base |
| 18:36.27 | milc | so, any suggestions anyone? :) |
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| 18:36.31 | george_ | then go from there |
| 18:36.33 | nox-Hand | tarzeau: No, frmo the torrents page @ debian.org |
| 18:36.45 | george_ | but note... if you do this, we hope you know what you' |
| 18:36.48 | george_ | re doing |
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| 18:37.03 | nox-Hand | george_: I don't :D |
| 18:37.07 | george_ | it's hard enough to support stable and testing... |
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| 18:37.23 | george_ | then we hope you back up your hd pretty often :P |
| 18:37.30 | nox-Hand | george_: Can't I just use testing, then upgrade some sources.list if I want to go crazy? |
| 18:37.38 | cydork | nox-Hand, then dont use unstable ever!! |
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| 18:37.41 | george_ | I guess :) |
| 18:37.42 | nox-Hand | So I get sid over upgrade |
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| 18:37.46 | nox-Hand | cydork: Why? :) |
| 18:37.48 | nox-Hand | :P |
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| 18:38.17 | sandman | Enabling SSL seems to be quite the nightmare. |
| 18:38.21 | sandman | On apache2, that is. |
| 18:38.36 | cydork | !tell nox-Hand about unstable |
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| 18:38.51 | george_ | I mean, you can do what you want... but debian is kinda complicated as compared to most dists... the devs try to make a buncha stuff all work together, and stablly |
| 18:38.54 | cydork | !tell nox-Hand about sid faq |
| 18:39.01 | JordiGH | Well, this 2.4 kernel broke a lot of things. |
| 18:39.13 | george_ | sandman: it' |
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| 18:39.21 | george_ | s a snap on aolserver4 :) |
| 18:39.23 | JordiGH | And it didn't fix what it was supposed to fix. :-( |
| 18:39.33 | JordiGH | So much for the theory of 2.6 eating my packets! |
| 18:39.41 | nox-Hand | alright, testing it is :D |
| 18:40.31 | george_ | you could run something like ethereal to watch packets moving |
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| 18:40.37 | pingouin | how to use postfix to send from 2 or 3 differents mails (mymail1@ispn.com, mymail2@ispn.com) with the same user loged in ? any clue (sender_canonical ? aliases ?) ? please, thank you. |
| 18:40.56 | JordiGH | !info wireshark |
| 18:41.06 | dpkg | wireshark: (network traffic analyzer), section net, is optional. Version: 0.99.3a-2 (sid), Packaged size: 536 kB, Installed size: 1496 kB |
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| 18:41.32 | george_ | !deps wireshark |
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| 18:41.45 | george_ | !depends wireshark |
| 18:41.47 | nox-Hand | The only differnence in the network install and the full dvd is, that the one has loadded old packages, the other allows you to apt-get install <foo> yourself instead, right? |
| 18:41.52 | Bushmills | pingouin: that's a task for your mail reader, not for postfix |
| 18:41.53 | dpkg | wireshark: depends on libadns1, libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libcap1, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgnutls13 (>= 1.4.0-0), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.4), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.5), libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.3-1), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, zlib1g (>= ... |
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| 18:42.32 | george_ | oh, so it's a gtk app |
| 18:42.33 | JordiGH | nox-Hand: Pretty much, yes. Although if you get the testing dvd right now, you'll have up-to-date packages. |
| 18:42.40 | JordiGH | :D |
| 18:42.54 | george_ | you can buy it from... |
| 18:43.10 | george_ | don't tell that to your gfs!@ |
| 18:43.25 | JordiGH | george_: My gf doesn't mind. :P |
| 18:43.27 | nox-Hand | JordiGH: I´ll just get the business card :) |
| 18:43.33 | nox-Hand | JordiGH: I dont want all that crap :D |
| 18:43.52 | george_ | the bus card should get you the base only |
| 18:44.05 | pingouin | Bushmills: what do you mean ? i use mutt |
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| 18:44.13 | [-NoX-] | !seen Celeste |
| 18:44.14 | dpkg | celeste <n=Celeste@85.237.25.84> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13d 7h 32m 29s ago, saying: 'thank you blondie'. |
| 18:44.39 | JordiGH | nox-Hand: I'm also a big fan of crap. I've got so much Debian shit on this machine that I've used maybe once and forgotten about ever since. I like impressing folks by saying, "all this crap fits in less than four gigs! How big is YOUR operating system?" |
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| 18:44.55 | blondie | [-NoX-]: stalker! |
| 18:45.11 | george_ | stalker channing? |
| 18:45.14 | Bushmills | pingouin: postfix just sends the mail. tell mutt to user different sender adresses |
| 18:45.14 | nox-Hand | JordiGH: :P |
| 18:45.36 | pingouin | Bushmills: to be more precise, i use fetchmail+procmail+postfix+muut, i never put anything about my main email (main.email@ispn.com) |
| 18:45.42 | pingouin | in mutt |
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| 18:45.57 | junix|work | how do i hold back an item to be installed? |
| 18:46.12 | pingouin | Bushmills: maybe you mean, when i compose a new email ? i put the mail i want into the From : and Reply to : ? |
| 18:46.28 | cydork | !tell junix|work about hold |
| 18:46.34 | JordiGH | Alrighty. Screw this 2.4 nonsense. Back to my good ol' 2.6 and back on The Case of the Missing Packets. |
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| 18:47.48 | amphi | pingouin: there's a handy little perl script for such stuff, muttprofile.pl or something like that |
| 18:47.52 | [-NoX-] | blondie> i would like so much to talk with her once again :( |
| 18:47.57 | blondie | aww |
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| 18:48.29 | pingouin | amphi: thanks for the clue ;) , thanks also to you Bushmills |
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| 18:49.10 | Bushmills | pingouin: check out the -F option of the sendmail script which comes with postfix |
| 18:49.34 | Bushmills | (assuming now you want to send mail non-interactively) |
| 18:49.57 | Daveman | gumbybrain: be blonde |
| 18:50.26 | Zinkeldonk | Ok. I am still on my quest to make afbackup from source, with two small changes to the rules and the Makefile.in. Problem is, debuild croaks. Who has experience with this sort of nonsense. |
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| 18:51.10 | junix|work | i am having problems getting apache2 to upgrade/install on unstable...it returns an error of libperl2 |
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| 18:54.26 | mhterres | hey |
| 18:54.45 | mhterres | I'm trying to transfer a Debian instalattion from on HDD to another |
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| 18:54.58 | x3me | hi |
| 18:54.59 | x3me | Setting up apache (1.3.33-6sarge3) ... |
| 18:55.01 | x3me | dpkg: error processing apache (--configure): |
| 18:55.02 | mhterres | but when I try to boot the "new HDD" I'm getting kernel panic |
| 18:55.03 | x3me | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.08 | x3me | what is the "status 10"? ? |
| 18:55.14 | mhterres | with /dev/null and dev/console |
| 18:55.14 | tarzeau | mhterres: edited the /etc/fstab ? |
| 18:55.16 | mhterres | any ideas ? |
| 18:55.26 | nox-Hand | Ah, the Debian installer rocks :) |
| 18:55.29 | nox-Hand | The text one :) |
| 18:55.31 | tarzeau | mhterres: what kernel? got drivers for everything? |
| 18:55.35 | mhterres | I removed the first disc and put the second like the first |
| 18:55.37 | mhterres | yes yes |
| 18:55.44 | mhterres | normal kernel, 2.6.8-3 |
| 18:55.44 | Anarka | mhterres http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html |
| 18:55.51 | mhterres | debian sarge kernel |
| 18:55.51 | Anarka | that helped me a few times |
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| 18:57.54 | mhterres | Anarka: I did it all that |
| 18:57.58 | Infamy | i had a problem with the new installer, (of the new testing one) where should i go to tell someone? |
| 18:58.01 | mhterres | but I'm using Grub instead of Lilo |
| 18:58.40 | dareth | milc sorry for the late reply, if you haven't tried it, subversion is great for code, and anything you want to archive versions of. |
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| 18:59.23 | milc | dareth, actually, the restructuring was inspired originally by an article on using subversion to backup your home directory |
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| 18:59.30 | dareth | ah |
| 18:59.35 | milc | dareth, but I'm just wondering what styles are out there, actually |
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| 18:59.47 | dareth | personal pref really |
| 18:59.51 | milc | see what people are up to with their home directories so I can try some stuff |
| 18:59.58 | mhterres | This is the errors: |
| 19:00.16 | dareth | I would recommend separate sub repositories for each project. |
| 19:00.24 | mhterres | /sbin/init: 432: cannot create /dev/null: Read-only file system |
| 19:00.33 | dareth | one repository for personal files. |
| 19:00.46 | mhterres | /sbin/init: 433: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 19:00.49 | mhterres | Kernel Panic |
| 19:01.00 | dareth | I tend to be a directory freak, creating 10 levels because that is how I think |
| 19:01.08 | mhterres | the problem is that I mounted the initrd and the null and console are in /dev |
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| 19:01.23 | mhterres | I really don't understand what is happening |
| 19:02.50 | milc | dareth, ha, that would drive me nuts, but then again i already do some of that.....yep, i'm nuts |
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| 19:07.41 | kjdis | Would you ppl recommend using Debian's nvidia binary driver pkgs, or using nvidia's installer? |
| 19:07.59 | cydork | kjdis, debian's pakages |
| 19:07.59 | zinx | see topic. use debian's package. |
| 19:08.05 | niles | sigh. |
| 19:08.11 | niles | thats all i have to say |
| 19:08.16 | niles | i tell a print job to cancel and it does the complete oposite... still printing |
| 19:08.20 | niles | sigh |
| 19:08.21 | zinx | erh, see #nVidia topic i guess, sorry :/ |
| 19:08.27 | niles | fabulous, the printers menu froze. |
| 19:08.37 | niles | then whats the point of canceling if it has to wait until it is done |
| 19:08.38 | kjdis | I see it now |
| 19:08.39 | kjdis | thanks |
| 19:08.45 | niles | i still say when it comes to word processing, microsoft is a champ. |
| 19:08.55 | niles | and the fact that the slides program does not allow you to print multiple slides per page is just pure treachery. |
| 19:09.04 | niles | i now have to wait for an entire slide show. |
| 19:09.09 | niles | to print |
| 19:09.10 | niles | sigh |
| 19:09.27 | Infamy | is there a channel for installer bugs for the new installer? |
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| 19:10.56 | niles | of windows that is. |
| 19:11.20 | kjdis | holy sighs |
| 19:11.49 | cahoot | niles: tried lprm? |
| 19:12.19 | niles | but why did the gui have to freeze in the first place? |
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| 19:13.15 | niles | the ultimate inconvenience. well i am now able to print my paper... after wasting a whole tray to a useless slide show who just had to have each slide on its own page |
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| 19:13.19 | niles | sigh :( |
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| 19:14.35 | Caelum | what is runit? does anyone use it? |
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| 19:16.34 | zaphyr | hello? |
| 19:16.53 | [NoX] | hello :) |
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| 19:17.06 | zaphyr | quiet in here ain't it |
| 19:17.11 | mhterres | any ideas ? |
| 19:17.18 | Ronin | zaphyr: dont jinx it |
| 19:17.50 | orestyle3 | what would be the best options in setting up a debian web server (services, programs, etc) besides apache? |
| 19:17.57 | zaphyr | I was wondering if anyone can give me some tips on how to set up wireless on Debian Etch? |
| 19:17.58 | elif | Hi all, I put into my ~/.inputrc the following line: "\C-o": "--". But it didn't work, because no expansion occurs when I type C-o in an Xterm (konsole) , I'm sure there's no shurtcuts of the konsole (or KDE) bound to C-o. So there is any sugestion about what the problem could be ?? thks... |
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| 19:19.02 | elif | and I did reran the readline inputrc too (with C-x C-r). |
| 19:19.14 | zaphyr | it seems that the kernel has built in drivers for my card, but network manager can get it up |
| 19:19.44 | zaphyr | ifconfig does not come up with eth1, which is the WLAN card |
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| 19:20.35 | zaphyr | Ronin: what do you mean? |
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| 19:22.58 | EsoD | Anyone knows where the mozilla-mplayer package is available. Tried nerim.net / debian-multimedia, both testing/unstable (running debian: etch). |
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| 19:24.17 | mirak | hi |
| 19:24.35 | mirak | does anyone ever used a usb to rs232 adapter on linux ? I wonder if it works |
| 19:24.37 | elif | Esod: www.mplayerhq.hu |
| 19:24.54 | evilbulgarian | hi, i have a dell powervault md 1000 an am trying to do a raid 5 among all the drives which gives around 6 terrabytes device. My problem is that debian will not partition it even after reading that i need to use parted with a mklabel gpt. Can someone please help? |
| 19:24.57 | bbelt16ag | hey can somebody seed the testing source pls??? |
| 19:25.02 | bbelt16ag | none of them are going.. |
| 19:25.33 | [NoX] | EsoD> it's on debian-multimedia... |
| 19:27.31 | bbelt16ag | the dvd ones.. |
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| 19:29.48 | zaphyr | hmmm, I can see eth1 if I run iwconfig....but I just can't activate it. running "ifconfig eth1 up" just gives an error. can anyone help? |
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| 19:31.24 | bbelt16ag | why isntanyone seedin ghte sources for dvd debian testing? |
| 19:32.01 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
| 19:32.04 | bbelt16ag | seed! |
| 19:32.36 | mhterres | anybody that had transfer a Debian Sarge from one HDD to another, can help me ? |
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| 19:33.45 | junix|work | i am having problems getting apache2 to upgrade/install on unstable...it returns an error of libperl2 |
| 19:34.06 | Hoxzer | ;) |
| 19:34.38 | Hoxzer | "that's why we call it unstable" |
| 19:35.10 | zaphyr | jesus, compared to gentoo, debian is retarded when it comes to documentation! does anyone know where I can find debian related how-to's regarding set up of wireless network? |
| 19:35.38 | zinx | zaphyr: google |
| 19:35.57 | Hoxzer | :) I use ubuntu howto's to learn stuff |
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| 19:36.20 | elif | I'm around with another doubt, I want to go to testing dist. (currently stable), but I have lots of packages that I know will call to run debconf, It's possible to say to apt-get to just used my past answers to debconf questions...? |
| 19:36.58 | amphi | zaphyr: iwconfig and ifconfig |
| 19:37.18 | elif | ... in other words, do let the /etc the same... |
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| 19:39.03 | abrotman | zaphyr: probably depends on the chipset |
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| 19:41.44 | black_13 | are there debian source packages? |
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| 19:41.58 | amphi | black_13: yes |
| 19:42.17 | black_13 | how do i build one? |
| 19:42.27 | black_13 | or at least see whats in one |
| 19:42.42 | tarzeau | black_13: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 19:42.57 | black_13 | thanks |
| 19:45.19 | EsoD | [NoX]: can't seem to find mozilla-mplayer package when i try to search it tru my cache. |
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| 19:46.23 | d0uglas | esod: mozilla-mplayer is in contrib i think |
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| 19:46.35 | EsoD | i got debian-multimedia.org etch main in sources =) |
| 19:46.55 | [NoX] | % apt-cache search mozilla-mplayer |
| 19:46.56 | [NoX] | mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla |
| 19:47.02 | black_13 | i have small usb memory key how do i mount it on debian sarge |
| 19:47.15 | d0uglas | mozilla-mplayer does not, unless i'm mistaken, have mplayer included.. it just links it up with firefox |
| 19:47.19 | Inez | hwo can i install major version of mysql clinet |
| 19:47.22 | tarzeau | black_13: if you put it in, what device name do you get in dmesg ? |
| 19:47.24 | Inez | if i have debian stabler |
| 19:47.27 | Inez | where can i find deb? |
| 19:47.42 | black_13 | hang on |
| 19:47.48 | Braindead | !tell Inez about aptitude |
| 19:47.55 | [NoX] | deb http://ftp.scarlet.be/pub/debian/ etch main contrib non-free & deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main in my sources.list :/ |
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| 19:49.07 | zaphyr | abrotman: it is a BCM4318 |
| 19:49.29 | d0uglas | zaphyr: damn, broadcom... good luck with that bro |
| 19:49.47 | black_13 | tarzeau usbfs on /proc/bus/usb |
| 19:49.55 | black_13 | when i hook up the key |
| 19:49.56 | zaphyr | d0uglasit works perfectly under gentoo with ndiswrapper |
| 19:49.58 | tarzeau | black_13: and /dev/sdwhat ? |
| 19:50.02 | zaphyr | d0uglas: it works perfectly under gentoo with ndiswrapper |
| 19:50.20 | d0uglas | gentoo schmentoo |
| 19:51.24 | zaphyr | d0uglas: hehe, well, gentoo works, debian doesn't....so far at least |
| 19:51.42 | black_13 | that was it man as soon as i hooked it up the only thing that change when i typed mount was what "usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)" |
| 19:52.41 | zaphyr | I would try ndiswrapper, but the ndiswrapper module wont load |
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| 19:53.15 | zaphyr | FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found |
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| 19:53.55 | elias_ | how to best download several files from an url where the base stays the same but one number increments? |
| 19:54.17 | epsilon | batch |
| 19:54.29 | elias_ | epsilon: batch in bash |
| 19:54.31 | elias_ | yes |
| 19:54.33 | elias_ | but how? |
| 19:54.34 | epsilon | simple loop in bash and wget |
| 19:54.48 | elias_ | have no idea how to increment a number in bash |
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| 19:54.57 | Braindead | elias_: seq |
| 19:55.07 | black_13 | tarzeau any ideas |
| 19:55.10 | beardy | !absg elias_ |
| 19:55.10 | dpkg | elias_: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'apt-get install abs-guide'. |
| 19:55.13 | Braindead | and stop dloading little small pr0n clips |
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| 19:55.22 | epsilon | http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 19:55.26 | epsilon | read & learn |
| 19:56.38 | elias_ | Braindead: for that I don't need a script, there are firefox extensions for that! |
| 19:56.51 | elias_ | it is a series of xls files |
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| 19:57.51 | epsilon | if the files are linked, you can just use wget -r -np |
| 19:58.17 | elias_ | epsilon: they are not linked |
| 19:58.37 | EsoD | d0uglas: www.debian-multimedia.org only seems to have main (checked ~/dists/etch / testing) |
| 19:58.41 | elias_ | you can have a look http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/corporate/statistics/neud/dpa/data_e/sheu03/publication_en_1.xls till 47 |
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| 19:59.00 | EsoD | [NoX]: prettry strange, added same mirrors as you |
| 19:59.20 | Braindead | elias_: for NUM in $(seq 1 10); do wget http://www.pr0n.com/pronsites$NUM.xls ; done and yes,read those Bash tutorials |
| 19:59.28 | [NoX] | :z |
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| 20:00.10 | [NoX] | are you sure you've done "apt-get update" ? |
| 20:00.29 | elias_ | Braindead: I read them every once in a while and have already learned a lot. But I am in a hurry right now. |
| 20:00.38 | EsoD | [NoX]: =) Added contrib for my *.se mirror, found it! But it's not in debian-multimedia.org |
| 20:00.44 | elias_ | Braindead: tnx a lot |
| 20:00.49 | roxy_ | I can ssh to my IP, localhost but not myname.org . I can ping myname.org . Where is the problem ? |
| 20:01.24 | Braindead | roxy_: netfilter? |
| 20:01.51 | asg | roxy_: make sure ssh is listening on myname.org and not just localhost |
| 20:02.24 | asg | roxy_: unless myname.org == my IP |
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| 20:02.42 | asg | roxy_: also, /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 20:02.45 | johngillespie | hi all |
| 20:02.55 | elias_ | and, does anybody know a way to make one XLS file from all these (one sheet per file) with open office without having to click all these buttons 47 times? |
| 20:03.18 | johngillespie | has anyone here got etch + ati + aiglx + beryl running ? |
| 20:03.23 | marcrosoft | when i try to do a apt-get install -f i get the following error corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 20:03.23 | marcrosoft | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 20:03.24 | marcrosoft | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.27 | johngillespie | on a 64bit system |
| 20:03.48 | asg | marcrosoft: ask #ubuntu |
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| 20:04.58 | roxy_ | asg, Braindead : thanks for help. It was forwarding from my router that got messed up. |
| 20:05.10 | marcrosoft | asg, ok, but im pretty sure its an apt problem |
| 20:05.44 | asg | marcrosoft: it's an ubuntu package, it likely won't work on a Debian system. If you are running ubuntu, #ubuntu is the place to go for help. |
| 20:06.00 | marcrosoft | last time i cleared it with dpkg --clear-avail ... but that isn't working this time |
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| 20:20.11 | mne | hi there! i just installed vmware server 1.0.1 on linux (2.6.18-1-k7 SMP). If I start is it just eats up 100% CPU and nothing happens. any hints ? |
| 20:20.20 | iturk | i would like to test a joystick in linux is there any known game that uses this device ?? |
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| 20:21.05 | mne | iturk, tuxracer might have joystick support |
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| 20:21.22 | Braindead | iturk: install "joystick",it's a test program |
| 20:22.11 | iturk | nice |
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| 20:22.58 | Braindead | the nicest application for my cheap-o-usb-pad still is controlling mplayer |
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| 20:25.05 | iturk | Braindead: so it has a plugin for that !! |
| 20:25.32 | Braindead | a compile time option,yes. it's usually enabled |
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| 20:28.20 | blondie | !greenhouse |
| 20:28.20 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 20:28.49 | Most_Wanted | haha |
| 20:29.21 | nonix4 | Umm... 1st, please call me a moron. 2nd, tell me how to properly bruteforce my (known-to-be-weak) cryptoloop pass phrase. Otherwise I've lost most of the things I've done since previous backup, which was March 31. All the version controlled stuff, released and so on is safe, but bookmarks, work areas and such are all on that encrypted partition :-( |
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| 20:29.30 | Most_Wanted | i heard that casino machines in las vegas are running gentoo |
| 20:29.36 | Braindead | Seveas: get aptitude-doc-en. and read it. or at least stop spreading FUF |
| 20:29.46 | Braindead | s/FUF/FUD/ |
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| 20:29.55 | Braindead | ooops |
| 20:30.17 | Most_Wanted | you really are Braindead |
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| 20:30.44 | asg | Most_Wanted: no wonder nobody wins |
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| 20:34.48 | Most_Wanted | they arent suposed to win |
| 20:35.20 | cydork | casino machines? gentoo?? |
| 20:35.26 | Braindead | I got kicked from #ubuntu! yay o/ |
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| 20:35.49 | asg | Braindead: they don't support OpenBSD |
| 20:35.57 | Braindead | that's why those 2 sentences came up here. I also got banned for saying "bullshit" |
| 20:36.07 | cydork | Braindead, what did you say?? |
| 20:36.18 | Braindead | may I say "bullshit" here? |
| 20:36.25 | cydork | bullshit. |
| 20:36.33 | cydork | Braindead, :) |
| 20:36.36 | Braindead | wow. no kick and no ban |
| 20:37.06 | Most_Wanted | say su in ubuntu |
| 20:37.07 | Most_Wanted | lol |
| 20:37.43 | cureless | you could get banned, it all depends on context. Just saying bullshit is not going to getyou banned. |
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| 20:38.35 | amphi | Braindead: oh, ubuntu is one of those aggressively 'nice' channels, eh? |
| 20:38.54 | Braindead | I was just lurking the channel...there was a gentoo escapee that was asking "how to install a GUI on ubuntu-server" and Seveas told him "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" so the gentoo lad went "ah so apt-get is like emerge" [...] and I said "he might as well use aptitude instead" |
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| 20:39.41 | Braindead | so Seveas said "aptitude is slow and useless". and I said bullshit + http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html |
| 20:40.02 | d0uglas | hey now.. xorg takes like a half hour to fire up, not sure what caused this. Changing users/wms did nothing. How might i go about diagnosing this? |
| 20:40.31 | Braindead | he said "it's from 2004". and meanwhile,while I was writing that sentence up there,I got kicked. I came back to ask which was "the nasty word",I got banned |
| 20:40.52 | amphi | "If you're a dselect user, learning curve is obviously not one of your problems", heh |
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| 20:41.32 | pumpkin0 | d0uglas: read the log during startup (tail -f ...) |
| 20:42.18 | d0uglas | pumpkin0: all righty.. which log :)? |
| 20:42.18 | iturk | i get this from the dmesg http://pastebin.ca/217770 !! in which device is my joystick located i need it for running jstest [<mode>] <device> ?? |
| 20:42.22 | Braindead | aptitude always makes sense. especially if you can see the difference between [apt-get|aptitude] install $metapackage && [apt-get|aptitude] remove $metapackage |
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| 20:43.26 | pumpkin0 | d0uglas: /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 20:43.32 | Braindead | I guess it needs a trained monkey to see that. do trained monkeys use ubuntu? |
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| 20:44.11 | craigevil | i believe monkeys can and do use ubuntu |
| 20:44.35 | Braindead | while throwing poo at each other |
| 20:44.58 | dondelelcaro | what monkeys do and don't do with ubuntu is OT here. |
| 20:45.01 | dondelelcaro | try #ubuntu |
| 20:45.17 | Braindead | dondelelcaro: I can't,I just got banned |
| 20:45.40 | dondelelcaro | then #debian-offtopic is that way --> |
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| 20:45.56 | Braindead | yup. sorry v_v |
| 20:46.58 | evilbulgarian | anyone know if there are any mozilla firefox packages anywhere for etch/testing ? |
| 20:47.34 | wols | !iceweasel |
| 20:47.35 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 20:47.44 | wols | but there still should be |
| 20:47.46 | Braindead | it's still firefox ATM |
| 20:47.50 | wols | apt-cache search mozilla |
| 20:47.55 | kreshnik | does someone know where i can find for my monitor HorizSync and VertRefresh.. my laptop is compaq presario 2100.. model 2165ea |
| 20:48.05 | Braindead | evilbulgarian: the package is strangely called "firefox" |
| 20:48.06 | crookshanks | ugh... |
| 20:48.13 | wols | all LCDs have a refresh of 60Hz |
| 20:48.39 | wols | kreshnik: and why would you need that? LCDs usually don't need this stuff aince their refresh is fixed |
| 20:48.40 | crookshanks | iceweasel... horrible |
| 20:48.50 | Braindead | love? |
| 20:48.57 | Braindead | ahem |
| 20:48.59 | Braindead | !love |
| 20:48.59 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
| 20:49.01 | asg | fear |
| 20:49.11 | wols | firefox is actually a horrible name if you tell it to a non geek |
| 20:49.23 | craigevil | IceWeasel sounds cool |
| 20:49.40 | Braindead | "weasels ripped my flesh!" |
| 20:49.48 | amphi | heh |
| 20:49.53 | craigevil | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20061015 Iceweasel/1.5.0.7-g1 |
| 20:49.54 | dondelelcaro | it's a name; call it slkdfjkhqwe, and besides being unpronouncible, it'd be the same. |
| 20:50.01 | kreshnik | wols, i need it foor XF86cinfig... my mplayer dont work in full screen i think problem is in XF86config |
| 20:50.05 | Braindead | a rose by any other name... |
| 20:50.16 | asg | Braindead: is irrelevant mostly since ln(1) exists |
| 20:50.18 | amphi | kreshnik: did you try mplayr -vo xv ? |
| 20:50.25 | amphi | kreshnik: er, mplayer |
| 20:50.27 | wols | !tell kreshnik about drxx |
| 20:50.52 | Braindead | asg: and transitory packages too. most of the critics say "people won't know how to install firefox" |
| 20:51.06 | wols | dondelelcaro: image matters or we wouldn't waste gazillions on madison avenue for ads |
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| 20:52.44 | iturk | i get this from the dmesg http://pastebin.ca/217770 !! in which device is my joystick located i need it for running jstest [<mode>] <device> ?? |
| 20:53.17 | dondelelcaro | wols: since when does Debian spend money on ads? |
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| 20:54.04 | wols | dondelelcaro: it doesn't but it still tries to give a good image |
| 20:54.08 | orestyle3 | in my mail I am getting the following message: sshd[377]: Illegal user resin from what does this mean? |
| 20:54.19 | orestyle3 | from system mail |
| 20:54.29 | wols | and I was talking about the nake of the browser. mozilla certainly spends money and does PR |
| 20:55.19 | Braindead | iturk: it's likely it is /dev/input/js0 but jstest might segfault with USB joypads |
| 20:55.41 | orestyle3 | are these people hitting my ssh server? |
| 20:55.57 | orestyle3 | or at least trying? All come from the same IP address.. |
| 20:56.18 | cydork | !info denyhosts |
| 20:56.26 | dpkg | denyhosts: (an utility to help sys admins thwart ssh hackers), section net, is optional. Version: 2.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 329 kB |
| 20:56.29 | cydork | orestyle3, use that ^^ |
| 20:57.10 | orestyle3 | cydork: will check it out... |
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| 21:07.51 | d0uglas | k3b hangs on the splash screen at Creating GUI... i purge/reinstalled it, same problem.. running as root doesn't make a difference. |
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| 21:08.39 | iturk | Braindead: that file doesnt exits !! |
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| 21:09.02 | Braindead | iturk: ls /dev/input/ then |
| 21:09.38 | iturk | Braindead: event0 event1 event2 mice mouse0 |
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| 21:11.18 | mci | re |
| 21:11.18 | mci | my qmail exits always with "exitasap" |
| 21:11.19 | mci | someone knows how to increase verbose level of the logging of splogger? |
| 21:11.19 | mci | on centos I just start qmail with splogger qmail 7 |
| 21:11.19 | mci | on debian the final number doesn't change the verbose level |
| 21:11.23 | mci | Any ideas? |
| 21:11.24 | mci | thx |
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| 21:14.26 | iturk | Braindead: should i need to activate something in the kernel or modules ?? |
| 21:14.38 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:15.40 | mci | wols, I know. I only use postfix. But I have to debug qmail right now. |
| 21:16.21 | epsilon | who is the user 'foo' on freenode? Some generic user? |
| 21:16.38 | Deepa | ask him/her? |
| 21:16.47 | d0uglas | any way around this? debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 21:16.53 | epsilon | the user isn't static |
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| 21:20.57 | pumpkin0 | d0uglas: kill all running aptitudes/synaptics. |
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| 21:21.26 | naxalite | hi |
| 21:21.34 | brendonjt | hi |
| 21:21.37 | naxalite | is anyone here proficient with lvm2/ |
| 21:21.38 | naxalite | ? |
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| 21:22.20 | naxalite | if someone could take a look at this link please--> http://rafb.net/paste/results/qxl4cO71.html |
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| 21:25.16 | mci | noboy knows how to debug qmail? any URL |
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| 21:27.24 | phogg | nextstate2: I assume /rootvol exists at the time this runs? |
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| 21:28.43 | naxalite | phogg is that to me? |
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| 21:29.11 | phogg | naxalite: yes, sorry |
| 21:29.28 | naxalite | wait I am rebooting again |
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| 21:30.44 | naxalite | phogg do you mean i should create that directory by hand? |
| 21:31.07 | naxalite | I am just concerned whether mounts my partitions or not |
| 21:31.09 | phogg | naxalite: if /rootvol does not exist, how can anything be mounted on it? |
| 21:31.32 | iturk | Braindead: from here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28538.html !! i would like to know how to load it at boot ?? |
| 21:31.53 | phogg | the error is 'no such file or directory' so either /rootvol does not exist, or /dev/kewl/root does not exist, or something really strange is going on |
| 21:32.01 | naxalite | but I run vgscan on the LVM2 rescue shell and tells me that no volumes have been detected |
| 21:32.17 | naxalite | I mean activating |
| 21:32.26 | phogg | iturk: are you using Debian? |
| 21:32.36 | iturk | ubuntu |
| 21:32.44 | naxalite | should I create the initrd again and put /rootvol? |
| 21:32.44 | phogg | iturk: then try #ubuntu |
| 21:33.07 | naxalite | phogg no |
| 21:33.10 | iturk | phogg: in the boot stuf debian an ubuntu are similar |
| 21:34.23 | phogg | iturk: great, that means ubuntu users will have an easy time switching to Debian and getting support here. |
| 21:35.04 | phogg | naxalite: you are trying to do root on LVM? |
| 21:35.36 | naxalite | yeah that's the goal... I already created the initrd and boots the kernel all the way to failing to mount... |
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| 21:36.06 | iturk | phogg: for many years i have been i debian user and from the comunity i have received help from many distributions !! actually in my country server there is no #debian or #ubuntu channel there is just #linuxhelp and everybody its really usefull i see that you cannot see in that way !!!! |
| 21:36.42 | phogg | naxalite: So /rootvol is where the initrd temporarily mounts root? My initrd uses /root for that. Eitehr way the directory must exist. |
| 21:37.08 | phogg | iturk: if you want to ask again in ##linux I'm sure you will get assistance. |
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| 21:37.53 | Ronin | iturk: there is so a #debian on your server |
| 21:37.58 | Ronin | oops i mean #ubuntu |
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| 21:38.27 | iamtheric | grrr ubuntu |
| 21:38.52 | iturk | Ronin: yes with 4 user |
| 21:38.54 | RII | what does the word 'pace' mean? |
| 21:39.01 | phogg | RII: dict.org |
| 21:39.05 | RII | i did |
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| 21:39.18 | Ronin | iturk: just type /j #ubuntu for crying out loud |
| 21:39.19 | phogg | RII: too obtuse for you? |
| 21:39.25 | RII | i read the meaning but i need someone to tell me what it really means |
| 21:39.31 | naxalite | phogg aright... |
| 21:39.36 | RII | can you use it in a sentence |
| 21:39.42 | Ronin | theres more then 4 in it iamtheric |
| 21:39.50 | iturk | Ronin: not in portugal in the server of ptnet |
| 21:40.07 | iamtheric | i was pacing myself during the race |
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| 21:40.18 | phogg | RII: a pace is usually a rate of travel, such as 'he walked at a fast pace' |
| 21:40.40 | Ronin | is it a freenode server? then its got ubuntu on it |
| 21:40.59 | phogg | RII: a pace, as a noun, is the distance of a step. If I step forward once I have traveled one pace. |
| 21:41.02 | iamtheric | ubuntu is on atleast two servers |
| 21:41.03 | iturk | Ronin: no its university one |
| 21:41.17 | Ronin | ahh |
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| 21:48.37 | cr3 | is there a way to determine the number of file descriptors used by each process? |
| 21:49.10 | dondelelcaro | cr3: lsof or fuser |
| 21:52.55 | tarzeau | "He claimed it was years ahead of its time. He was right." -- Fortune, June 1993 |
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| 21:53.23 | iamtheric | what? |
| 21:53.26 | arcfide | Hey all, in sarge, I have an apache2 installation with phpmyadmin. |
| 21:53.36 | tarzeau | iamtheric: GNUstep |
| 21:53.37 | arcfide | However . . . I get a warning about the mbstring extension not being installed. |
| 21:53.50 | iamtheric | oh |
| 21:53.58 | arcfide | Is there a way to install this extension? apt-cache searching gave me a libapache2-mod-php4 which was already installed. |
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| 21:54.45 | Seb | arcfide: apt-cache search phpmyadmin ? |
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| 21:55.10 | arcfide | Seb: What should I expect from that? |
| 21:55.28 | arcfide | I have phpmyadmin successfully installed. |
| 21:55.59 | Guerin | arcfide: does it work? |
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| 21:56.08 | arcfide | yeah. |
| 21:56.16 | Guerin | arc!warnings |
| 21:56.18 | arcfide | For the most part, except for that glaring error at the bottom of the phpmyadmin page. |
| 21:56.18 | Guerin | beh |
| 21:56.21 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 21:56.21 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 21:56.37 | arcfide | Hah! |
| 21:56.49 | Guerin | arcfide: check the BTS, if there's nothing there, file a bug |
| 21:56.58 | Guerin | arcfide: are you 100% sarge? |
| 21:57.04 | arcfide | BTS? Sorry, I'm not familiar with that acronym. |
| 21:57.09 | Guerin | !bts |
| 21:57.09 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 21:57.24 | arcfide | Guerin: this isn't my system, I'm doing this for someone, and I'm not really sure. |
| 21:57.29 | arcfide | Ooh, okay. |
| 21:57.30 | arcfide | Thanks. |
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| 21:57.49 | arcfide | The sources.list file gives stable as the branch. |
| 21:57.59 | Guerin | arcfide: that's the very first thing you need to find out, because 1) I'd be very surprised if that sort of bug made it all the way into sarge, and 2) if it's not sarge, it's not our problem |
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| 21:58.10 | arcfide | Haha. |
| 21:58.20 | arcfide | Yeah, looks like it. |
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| 21:58.35 | arcfide | Is there anyway other than sources.list to find that out? |
| 21:59.20 | Guerin | arcfide: apt-cache policy might tell you |
| 21:59.47 | Guerin | arcfide: also just comparing version and suchlike with what';s in sarge |
| 21:59.48 | arcfide | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 21:59.57 | fasta | How can I start telnet and let it send a few commands to a server in a bash script? I didn't saw an option in the manpage that supports that. |
| 22:00.27 | fasta | s/saw/see |
| 22:00.30 | iturk | Ronin: also i have discovered that in ubuntu channels most of the people are lazy like ubuntu |
| 22:00.49 | arcfide | yeah, looks like i'm 100% Sarge. |
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| 22:03.40 | Guerin | fasta: the 1970s want their login mechanism back |
| 22:04.26 | amphi | fasta: expect may be what you want |
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| 22:05.02 | fasta | amphi: expect sounds like a lot of work. I'd expected (hehe) something easier. |
| 22:05.33 | fasta | google seems to know something |
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| 22:07.41 | jugglinx_ | im getting problems with mplayer, it looks like before had some dependencies conflict with xmms, more precisly with xmmplayer but not xmms is purged, but still im getting segmentation faults... |
| 22:07.56 | fasta | amphi: do you happen to know what OS features expect uses? |
| 22:08.47 | jugglinx_ | i tried removing it, but it install for itself mplayer-nogui, and it also gives me segmentation faults :-/ |
| 22:09.00 | amphi | fasta: os features? |
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| 22:09.32 | Guerin | jugglinx_: if you have more than one multimedia repo you'll often find this sort of thing |
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| 22:10.40 | jugglinx_ | Guerin, i have regular repos + debian-multimedia.org |
| 22:10.45 | fasta | amphi: never mind, I will read the FAQ as the probability of you knowing more than the FAQ is next to zero. |
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| 22:11.28 | amphi | fasta: you could just read the damn faq regardless of what I happen to know |
| 22:13.42 | dondelelcaro | fasta: don't use telnet; use nc. |
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| 22:14.23 | evilbulgarian | hi, i have a dell powervault md 1000 an am trying to do a raid 5 among all the drives which gives around 6 terrabytes device. My problem is that debian will not partition it even after reading that i need to use parted with a mklabel gpt. Can someone please help? |
| 22:14.34 | fasta | dondelelcaro: that means netcat according to dpkg? |
| 22:14.35 | dondelelcaro | fasta: and if you actually care what the server sends back, you'll have to either write an expect script, or some sort of client that will deal with the responses properly |
| 22:15.18 | fasta | dondelelcaro: what kind of calls should a non-general purpose program make to implement something like this? |
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| 22:15.37 | fasta | dondelelcaro: or "what does expect under the hood?" |
| 22:15.40 | dondelelcaro | fasta: depends on what language you're using; this stuff is all pretty standard. |
| 22:16.16 | war95 | evilbulgarian: after you install use parted |
| 22:16.22 | war95 | evilbulgarian: make a partition and then put XFS on it |
| 22:16.28 | war95 | evilbulgarian: mkfs.xfs /dev/partition |
| 22:16.47 | fasta | dondelelcaro: I thought that for ssh automation via echo was disabled. |
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| 22:17.05 | fasta | dondelelcaro: expect somehow goes arounds that "limitation" |
| 22:17.07 | evilbulgarian | war95: well thats the problem i cannot make the partition |
| 22:17.19 | dondelelcaro | fasta: there's no limiation there; ssh has no problem dealing with echo |
| 22:17.22 | war95 | evilbulgarian: what is teh error? |
| 22:17.28 | war95 | evilbulgarian: I have a 2.6T raid5 here |
| 22:17.32 | war95 | evilbulgarian: did not have a problem |
| 22:17.34 | dondelelcaro | if you mean echo'ing the password to ssh, that's insanity. |
| 22:17.47 | evilbulgarian | war95: no error but after i do mkpart p ext2 0 400M |
| 22:17.52 | fasta | dondelelcaro: yes, I mean that. I know it's insanity |
| 22:17.54 | evilbulgarian | war95: nothing happens and then when i do print |
| 22:17.58 | evilbulgarian | war95: there is nothing there |
| 22:18.00 | war95 | evilbulgarian: uh, there is your problem |
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| 22:18.03 | dondelelcaro | fasta: then why are you talking about it? Use ssh keys. |
| 22:18.09 | war95 | evilbulgarian: what is the device name? |
| 22:18.13 | fasta | dondelelcaro: but how does expect read back the response again? |
| 22:18.15 | war95 | evilbulgarian: do you currenlty have debian installed on the box? |
| 22:18.22 | evilbulgarian | war95: yes |
| 22:18.28 | fasta | dondelelcaro: as echo is only unidirectional it works via some other way. |
| 22:18.32 | evilbulgarian | war95: /dev/sdb , /dev/sdc |
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| 22:18.59 | dondelelcaro | fasta: all programs talk via file descriptors; expect just works like a shell, opening up stdin, stdout and stderr. |
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| 22:19.45 | dondelelcaro | fasta: what exactly are you trying to do, though? Far too many places where people would consider using expect are places where people don't actually understand the underlying problem. |
| 22:21.16 | fasta | dondelelcaro: so in about a page of code one could make a copy of the most important functionality of expect? |
| 22:25.18 | dondelelcaro | fasta: why in $DEITY's name would you want to? |
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| 22:26.30 | fasta | dondelelcaro: educational reasons is one, I can't think of any other one right now. |
| 22:27.02 | dondelelcaro | fasta: then best to look at what expect does and learn about it |
| 22:27.40 | fasta | dondelelcaro: I downloaded the sources a year ago, but couldn't find the specific part parsing the output of the program and sending it back. |
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| 22:31.09 | dondelelcaro | fasta: see exp_get_next_event and everything that calls it; |
| 22:31.33 | fasta | dondelelcaro: thanks, I will redownload the sources and check it out again :) |
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| 22:34.34 | niles | !alsa |
| 22:34.34 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
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| 22:35.50 | niles | i moved my hard drive from a defective computer to a slightly older one. why do i have to keep running the alsa one-liner after every reboot? |
| 22:36.39 | fasta | dondelelcaro: what tool did you use to browse the source code and find that? |
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| 22:38.05 | phogg | niles: you probably don't have to. Most likely unmuting will be sufficient. |
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| 22:40.48 | argonel | in X the slightest touch of a key causes it to repeat, but if i hold a key down it will only repeat 5 or 6 times, anyone seen this? |
| 22:41.49 | dendrite | fasta: If I had to guess, I'd suppose he tried 'grep -rwn open *' or something similar... =) |
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| 22:44.27 | gromgull_ | hello - i just upgraded xorg from the single package to the modular version, and now X wont start and the last line in xorg.log says "client 1 rejected from local host"... this is with the binary nvidia driver. Any clues? |
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| 22:48.46 | mhall | What's the easiest way to exclude /proc and /sys from a find search? |
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| 22:50.26 | dondelelcaro | mhall: with -path and -prune |
| 22:55.49 | Guerin | bah, i can't find the old ff extension which let you permanently and arbitrarily remove any old hunk of html from a page |
| 22:56.01 | Guerin | i thought it was nukeanything, but it's not bloody permanent |
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| 23:00.08 | fasta | int foo(<args>) *<some type>; <other declarations>;{ <function body>} Has this always been valid C code? I thought that it was always: <return type> <function name>(<formal args>){ <function body>} |
| 23:02.00 | dendrite | fasta: arg typing can be in the body. |
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| 23:02.58 | abrotman | ask ##c ? |
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| 23:03.23 | fasta | dendrite: is that defined in some standard or is it an extension? (last off-topic question) |
| 23:03.40 | dserban | I rent dedicated servers and am moving to debian based boxes. I have ssh access to these machines, but before I cancel them I'd like to wipe the personal info off the hard drives... |
| 23:03.48 | dserban | What's the best way to do it via ssh? |
| 23:03.59 | dendrite | fasta: That's old school. I think K&R has some of that. |
| 23:04.16 | fasta | dendrite: I only read K&R2 |
| 23:04.18 | dserban | I've contemplated dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda .. and shred... but I'm not sure if it'll complete from beginning to end... |
| 23:04.21 | abrotman | dserban: apt-cache search shred .. best you can do with a running OS i think |
| 23:04.23 | argonel | fasta: in c++ you can call constructors |
| 23:04.25 | dendrite | dserban: DBAN |
| 23:04.31 | fasta | dendrite: that explains it. |
| 23:04.35 | abrotman | dendrite: does DBAN work over ssh ? |
| 23:04.39 | abrotman | afaik .. you have to boot from dban |
| 23:04.43 | dendrite | dserban: Oh, no. Then shred |
| 23:04.47 | argonel | ohh, yeah. forgot about that |
| 23:04.50 | fasta | argonel: Your point? |
| 23:05.00 | dserban | so shred'll work from beginning to end? |
| 23:05.03 | dendrite | abrotman: Yeah, you do. |
| 23:05.04 | d0uglas | is a vcd likely to play in a 4 year old toshiba dvd player that does not seem to play audio cdrs? friend's setup, not sure which model, don't want to bother giving him a disk if he can't play it... |
| 23:05.10 | abrotman | dserban: eh .. not really .. |
| 23:05.15 | abrotman | dserban: isn't the OS on hda ? |
| 23:05.28 | dserban | abrotman: yes it is. |
| 23:05.30 | dendrite | dserban: I'd run shred against the data you want to shred, and leave the core OS intact. |
| 23:05.47 | abrotman | dserban: you can't do that .. just shred what you want to shred .. |
| 23:05.47 | argonel | fasta: "in theory int foo(<args>) *<some type> {" could have been calling initializers, but for the * |
| 23:06.02 | dserban | dendrite: i'm sure they don't care as they re-image the drives with red hat i think... but .. all the data is all on one drive.. hda |
| 23:06.03 | fasta | argonel: it was C code, not C++. |
| 23:06.10 | abrotman | dserban: alternately .. if /home/ is a separate partition .. you could overwrite that a few dozen times |
| 23:06.24 | dendrite | dserban: Shred can operate on things besides block devices. |
| 23:06.30 | dserban | I see what you're saying.. just shred the files on the system... gotcha |
| 23:06.33 | abrotman | though . you'll wipe out your users $HOME in the process |
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| 23:07.14 | dserban | abrotman: it's just an idling server that does nothing, I just want to make sure the database stuff is wiped as well as any hidden files I may have missed... |
| 23:07.33 | abrotman | dserban: you could offer to buy the HDD :) |
| 23:07.58 | dendrite | dserban: What file system is in use? |
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| 23:08.08 | dserban | hah! it's ext3 |
| 23:08.31 | dendrite | dserban: Then shred <files> won't be reliable, due to journaling. Maybe kill off the journaling first... |
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| 23:08.53 | dendrite | dserban: The shred man page has details. |
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| 23:09.14 | dserban | hmm k, what if I shred the /var directory to make it easy on me...? think it'll actually complete? |
| 23:09.32 | abrotman | dserban: i don't know why you're worried .. i'm sure they have multiple backups of your data :) |
| 23:09.40 | dserban | :s |
| 23:09.50 | abrotman | at least .. i would hope the hosting company does |
| 23:09.51 | dserban | that'd suck i hope not.. it's credit card info |
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| 23:10.06 | abrotman | why did you store it directly ? |
| 23:10.18 | abrotman | or store it at all |
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| 23:11.39 | Werdna | my disk has unexpectedly filled up. Anybody got any ideas for trying to free up some space |
| 23:11.50 | abrotman | apt-get clean |
| 23:11.50 | Werdna | ("delete some porn" doesn't apply. I keep that elsewhere) |
| 23:11.53 | Werdna | done |
| 23:11.57 | abrotman | is it one partition ? |
| 23:12.05 | Werdna | well, I have two |
| 23:12.09 | Werdna | this is the system partition |
| 23:12.18 | abrotman | / and /home/ ? |
| 23:12.24 | Werdna | no, / and /data |
| 23:12.32 | abrotman | deborphan ... remove gzipped logs in /var/log/ |
| 23:12.33 | Werdna | but /home is only 27M |
| 23:13.09 | Werdna | -bash: deborphan: command not found |
| 23:13.10 | abrotman | erm .. deborphan AND removed the gzipped logs |
| 23:13.13 | abrotman | installit :) |
| 23:13.22 | Werdna | not enough space :P |
| 23:13.40 | abrotman | go to /var/log/ .. how many gzipped logs ? |
| 23:13.52 | abrotman | actually .. go to /var/log/ and run du -sk |
| 23:13.55 | Werdna | I dunno, but I just rm -rvf'd them all |
| 23:14.01 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 23:14.05 | dserban | abrotman: stored it and cycled it out... but i'm just worried that there's remnants of crap somewhere |
| 23:14.07 | Werdna | rm -rvf *.gz */*.gz |
| 23:14.11 | abrotman | dude ... |
| 23:14.17 | abrotman | anyways .. how much free space ? |
| 23:14.28 | abrotman | how many kernels installed ? (look in /boot/) |
| 23:14.31 | Werdna | /dev/sda1 1844198 1825291 0 100% / |
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| 23:14.35 | Werdna | dammit, i have to go |
| 23:14.39 | dserban | anyhoot... I should just debootstrap a tmpfs mount and go nuts |
| 23:14.55 | Werdna | config-2.4.27-2-386 grub initrd.img-2.4.27-2-386 System.map-2.4.27-2-386 vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:14.55 | abrotman | only one ? |
| 23:14.55 | abrotman | run sync .. run df again |
| 23:14.56 | Werdna | yes, one |
| 23:15.02 | Werdna | still that |
| 23:15.13 | Werdna | deborphan gives me an output of a MASSIVE list of packages |
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| 23:15.19 | Werdna | what do I do with that? |
| 23:15.26 | abrotman | are you sure you want to remove them? |
| 23:15.37 | abrotman | deborphan | xargs apt-get -y --purge remove |
| 23:15.51 | abrotman | they should be unused libraries |
| 23:15.52 | Werdna | well, if they're orphans... |
| 23:16.09 | Guerin | deborphan's default settings are usually sane |
| 23:16.15 | Guerin | and hey, you can always reinstall them |
| 23:16.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:16.22 | Werdna | the real one |
| 23:16.28 | Werdna | okay, gotta go |
| 23:16.29 | Werdna | thanks |
| 23:16.32 | abrotman | did deborphan clean up ? |
| 23:16.36 | abrotman | there's more you can do ... |
| 23:17.08 | abrotman | cleaning your browser cache might help too |
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| 23:22.34 | Werdna_ | still doesn't love me |
| 23:22.36 | Werdna_ | /dev/sda1 1844198 1772158 0 100% / |
| 23:23.33 | abrotman | did deborphan remove anything ? |
| 23:24.27 | Werdna | yeah |
| 23:24.32 | Werdna | 67 megs, it said |
| 23:24.46 | Werdna | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 70 to remove and 87 not upgraded. |
| 23:24.54 | Werdna | After unpacking 67.4MB disk space will be freed. |
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| 23:25.30 | Werdna | perhaps df is out of date |
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| 23:26.23 | abrotman | perhaps it's just wrong |
| 23:26.45 | Werdna | mmm... how do I figure that out? |
| 23:26.59 | abrotman | you did sync the drive right ? |
| 23:27.02 | abrotman | or FS ? |
| 23:27.30 | Werdna | yes, I typed 'sync' into my shell. |
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| 23:28.37 | Werdna | is that what I'm supposed to do? |
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| 23:29.50 | Werdna | abrotman: do I need to do something else? |
| 23:29.57 | opti | does debian 3.1 support what windows calls 'IC Plus IP1000 Family Gigabit Ethernet Adapter' ? |
| 23:30.11 | abrotman | Werdna: run deborphan again perhaps |
| 23:30.20 | abrotman | opti: need a chipset |
| 23:30.31 | opti | its my onboard lan on my abit nf7-s2g |
| 23:30.47 | abrotman | lspci |
| 23:30.54 | opti | bummer |
| 23:30.58 | opti | brb, rebooting ;) |
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| 23:34.22 | Cooner750 | I want to install totem-mozilla, but Synaptic wants to remove a BUNCH of other packages, like all of the desktop stuff. Ideas? |
| 23:34.36 | Werdna | down to 99pc full |
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| 23:34.46 | dvs | down? |
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| 23:39.57 | abrotman | dvs: Werdna has a drive space issue :) |
| 23:40.13 | dvs | abrotman: I see |
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| 23:40.58 | dvs | When will you fix synaptic in etch?!? ;-) |
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| 23:41.37 | dondelelcaro | dvs: perhaps you should ask yourself, "When will I fix synaptic in etch?" |
| 23:41.58 | dvs | dondelelcaro: If I could, I would |
| 23:42.16 | dondelelcaro | but you can! You can file patches, bug reports. etc. |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | or a better tool |
| 23:42.55 | dvs | abrotman: What? Like dselect that I'm using now? |
| 23:42.55 | abrotman | ewww |
| 23:42.59 | cureless | what does freespire use for package management? |
| 23:43.24 | abrotman | something that they didn't OSS afaik |
| 23:43.36 | abrotman | erm .. that's linspire .. dunno if that differs from freespire |
| 23:43.39 | bipolar | is anyone here really good with gdb? |
| 23:43.53 | cureless | I treat gdb fairly, just like I treat other packages. |
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| 23:44.11 | bipolar | I need to run gdb on a program, chkpwd, that gets it's argruments piped to it. |
| 23:44.21 | bipolar | I have no idea how to do this. |
| 23:44.51 | bipolar | spcificly, it gets it's argumants piped to it from printf :\ |
| 23:45.15 | bipolar | like: printf "username/npassword" | chkpwd |
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| 23:45.21 | cureless | bipolar: I don't really know, but it seems that it should be realtively easy. You can always try to connect to the pid. |
| 23:45.40 | dvs | dondelelcaro: Ah. It's bug 393006. |
| 23:45.43 | bipolar | cureless: the program doesn't run long enough to attach to it. |
| 23:48.47 | dvs | There's no maintainer for kdesu. :-( |
| 23:49.07 | cureless | bipolar: how about using a named pipe? |
| 23:49.17 | bipolar | cureless: hmmm |
| 23:50.06 | bipolar | cureless: I'll give that a shot! |
| 23:50.38 | cureless | bipolar: but I'm sure there has to be a pipe mode (batch mode?) like using -x or something |
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| 23:53.34 | cureless | bipolar: yeah, on first glance I would just do named pipes and "<" |
| 23:53.38 | yansanmo | bipolar: echo " a " | cat === echo "a" > tempfile && cat < tempfile |
| 23:53.41 | sid | What is an easy way to listen to music remotely with gnome 2.15 in unstable. I have an ssh daemon running on my desktop with 20 gigs of music. I wanted to listen to this music from my laptop while in my LAN |
| 23:53.51 | sid | er, gnome 2.14* |
| 23:53.54 | bipolar | cureless: seems to be working. Now I have to step though it. |
| 23:53.57 | yansanmo | so, gdb program then run < fileInput |
| 23:54.06 | abrotman | sid: shfs |
| 23:54.47 | cureless | sid: do you just want to listen or do you want to control and listen? |
| 23:55.23 | sid | cureless: Well I wanted to use rhythmbox on my laptop if possible. |
| 23:55.24 | yansanmo | where is Werdna? |
| 23:55.42 | sid | cureless: I guess just listening is good too. |
| 23:55.51 | Werdna | hiding |
| 23:56.10 | cureless | sid: why not use some network filesystem? |
| 23:56.22 | sparr | I would like to apt-get install foo*, and simply ignore the foo* matches that conflict with each other. is there an easy way to do that |
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| 23:56.47 | cureless | sparr: how would you tell the system which conflicts are the right ones? |
| 23:57.04 | sparr | cureless: id be happy if it picked at random, or ignored them both. |
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| 23:57.14 | sparr | cureless: i want to install ttf-* just to have a good selection of fonts |
| 23:57.29 | sid | cureless: nfs? |
| 23:57.42 | sid | cureless: Or should I use samba? |
| 23:57.48 | cureless | sid: well, it depends on your network but sure, say nfs. You can do that easily and read-only |
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| 23:58.05 | cureless | sid: is your network public? |
| 23:58.10 | sid | cureless: no, internal LAN |
| 23:58.27 | cureless | sid: just use nfs, or samba if you want to use windows machines. |
| 23:58.29 | delire | can anyone reccommend a reliable external service for determining a given host's external IP? it needs to have stellar uptime. |
| 23:58.58 | cureless | delire: if you need reliability build your own. |
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| 23:59.09 | delire | cureless: not quite the answer i was hoping for, but cheers. |
| 23:59.55 | cureless | delire: it basically depends on your needs. But you can't ask too much out of a dynamic IP system. I mean, most of the time it'll work fine, why do you need "stellar uptime"? |
| 23:59.57 | sid | cureless: apt-get install samba; and it will start up all auto-configured and all? |
