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00:00.05curelesssid: no really.
00:00.08curelesssid: not.
00:00.41curelesssid: but if you just want a quick hack gnome might have build in ssh userlevel vfs stuff. I don't use gnome though.
00:01.51delirecureless: i'm writing an application that will be used by thousands of people. for reasons too tedious to mention here, the application needs to aquire, at worst a guess, their external IP.
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00:04.11curelessdelire: hold on, what do you mean, I'm not clear who is going to determine whose ip.
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00:04.12abrotmansid: shfs!
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00:04.29abrotman!shfs
00:04.30dpkgshfs is probably http://shfs.sourceforge.net/  "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc.
00:04.31delirecureless: a program on the local host. i was looking at parsing html output from the likes of hostip.info but i'm not sure how long this organisation will be around as the application will be live in the field for some years.
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00:05.39curelessdelire: so, you basically want the client to detect what external ip it's using, right?
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00:06.04delirecureless: correct.
00:06.05Werdnabah
00:06.15curelessdelire: are you using tcp or udp?
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00:06.28delirecureless: i can use either, but preferably tcp.
00:06.37Werdnaapt-get install libmagick9 -->   libmagick9: Depends: libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2 is to be installed
00:07.07curelessdelire: then the other endpoint (of the tcp connection) can tell you what ip you have.  If the ip ever chances your tcp connection will fail and you'll have to re-establish anyway.
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00:09.00delirecureless: yes this is true. you are right, perhaps i can just write my own. that said, i can't depend on the uptime of my own remote host ;)
00:09.31delirealbeit the reasons are more bureaucratic than anything else..
00:09.33curelessdelire: to the client it doesn't matter. There will always be somebody at the other side, otherwise it won't get anywhere.
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00:10.04delirecureless: yes, i suppose that's a sane way of looking at it.
00:10.12curelessdelire: your problems will lie more in the fact that you can't tcp connect back easily unless you use some firewall hole poking code, or if you plan on using multicast.
00:11.03delireprecisely. that's why i'm pretty ok with leaning on a port 80 service.
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00:12.02curelessdelire: that doesn't mean you'll be able to connect back, it just means you might be able to escape a mildly restrictive firewall.
00:12.16delireyep.
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00:12.33Cooner750How can I install the latest version of Gnome?
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00:13.24WyzardCooner750: GNOME 2.16 is not packaged yet
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00:13.34Cooner750Is there any other way to install it?
00:13.41WyzardCooner750: It's not likely to be in unstable until after etch is released, in December
00:14.22WyzardCooner750: There are some 2.16 packages in Experimental, but those are aimed at people who want to test the packaging
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00:15.53cureless"in December" is such a strong statement... :-)
00:16.40WyzardWell, that's the plan
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00:16.51Krux0how can i download all the packages i have previously installed on my system. I want to download them all so that i can transfer them over to a unnetworked box.
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00:17.30petemcKrux0: have you checked if they're in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
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00:17.37Krux0yes but not all
00:17.49Krux0i remember emptying that dir before
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00:18.23Krux0i need someway to just download the packages i have install but not currently cached in the archive dir
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00:19.35petemcdunno, apt-zip pehaps
00:19.39petemcper
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00:20.50Clinton__Krux0: sudo apt-get -yd --reinstall install `dpkg -l | grep ii | cut -d " " -f3 `
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00:21.07Clinton__that will download any that you don't have downloaded
00:21.26Krux0Clinton__: Thank you
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00:21.48Clinton__Krux0: np
00:22.17zeccozhaha Xorg is not working it can't find /dev/agpgart when it's there
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00:23.19Wyzardzeccoz: Not finding a device doesn't necessarily mean the device file doesn't exist...  it can also mean that the driver which the device file references is not loaded
00:23.31Wyzardzeccoz: or the driver is loaded but it can't find the corresponding hardware
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00:23.56zeccozalright
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00:29.34jelly-homewtf?  I have a binary called kdontchangethehostname in /usr/bin
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00:29.54Gnurduxany reason why ftp.debian.org hass been slow lately?
00:30.12Krux0Clinton__: it turns out that apt exited after a few seconds, although it did hint that --force-yes might be a good option to include   :-)
00:30.51Clinton__Krux0: ah,you have some other repositores other than default, add the --force-yes and it'll take care of that part for you
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00:34.45Krux0Clinton__: it just never occured to me to try --reinstall. I played around with cut and awk to remove unnecessary output from dpkg --get-selections until i finally gave in.
00:35.03Clinton__maybe you have everything
00:35.49Krux0i should have everything in a few minutes
00:36.27cozomoI was trying to set up a server with the debian netinst, debian was installed, and I configured the network some and now its not connected to the internets. I have a cable internet connection and no router between the modem and my server. the configurations I made to the server after the OS was installed are at http://pastebin.ca/218136 I would greatly appreciate it if someone could help me get it reconnected to the internet
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00:40.26diskus_cozomo: well you're using 192.168.0.1 as gateway so I presume it is somekind of router?
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00:40.54cozomodiskus_: what should I use as a gateway?
00:40.58diskus_cozomo: and use IP's in resolv.conf not hostnames
00:41.11diskus_cozomo: computer or router which is connected to internet
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00:41.22Alias`b`hello
00:41.25diskus_cozomo: which will route you're packages to the internet
00:41.35Alias`b`what do you do ?
00:41.42cozomoah. so if its the only computer on the network, 127.0.0.0?
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00:42.15Alias`b`arffff have a good night
00:42.20diskus_cozomo: no, 192.168. is not public ip, so you have to have router between
00:42.21Alias`b`@+++
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00:42.26vorbotecozomo: no, unless you want to be as blind as a bat.
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00:43.28diskus_cozomo: you know how to get Windows machine to internet with that cable modem?
00:43.34Krux0Cozmo, are you using dhcp ?
00:43.39cozomoKrux0: most likely
00:43.56Krux0install dhclient
00:44.22cozomodiskus_: yes
00:44.34diskus_cozomo: use the same things in Linux
00:44.43diskus_cozomo: forget your domain name for a short time
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00:45.36cozomodiskus_: use the same things, what things?
00:45.52diskus_cozomo: if you get IP automaticaly then it's dhcp not static
00:46.08abrotman!unionfs
00:46.14abrotmanBagoor: unionfs
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00:46.32cozomoalright. so should I change that in /etc/network/interfaces?
00:46.47Bagoorabrotman, I want to merge them completely to one partition. not virtually
00:46.49diskus_cozomo: read more about dhcp in debian and how to use it
00:47.06diskus_cozomo: then in resolv.conf use IP address of nameservers not hostnames
00:47.18cozomoalright
00:48.37dendriteBagoor: Are the two partitions physicall adjacent on the disk?
00:48.54Bagoordendrite, yes ! sda1 and sda2
00:50.28dendriteBagoor: Safe way is to back up your data, repartition, and restore.  I believe you could also use fdisk to delete sda1 and sda2, then recreate sda1 to extend across the space.  I'd be nervous doing that though...
00:50.42dendriteBagoor: Of course after the partition resize, you'd need to resize the file system.
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00:55.20punkforpezcan anyone point me towards a repo that has gtk2? can't find it, just did a fresh install
00:55.35abrotmanapt-cache search gtk 2
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00:57.34punkforpezthank you
00:57.36cozomosweet thanks diskus_!
00:59.08MarGarinarecommended blog software?
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01:05.24abrotman!moo
01:05.25dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
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01:07.09riczhoHi!  Is there a simple way to get a list of uninstalled packages with old config lying around (non purged packages, I guess)?
01:08.18abrotmanriczho: dpkg -l | grep ^rc
01:08.51riczhoAh, I was afraid that I'd have to parse it further.
01:08.51riczhoThanks!
01:09.33riczho*phew* It's shorter than I feared.
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01:18.20DaveyBI am using Debian ETCH with Linux foo 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux, my GUI is GNOME, for some reason when I enter to screen saver whilst Azureus is running it locks my whole computer and I have to physically power down.  I was wondering how I could find out why this happens, and how I can go about fixing this. Can someone please give me some pointers in order to get me going in the right direct
01:18.20DaveyBion in order to resolve this matter?
01:18.43abrotmanvideo card ?
01:19.12DaveyBATI 9600 GPI or something, the thing is it works fine when azureus isn't on. :P
01:19.22abrotmanso stop using azureius
01:19.36dendriteDaveyB: Any screen saver, or one in particular?
01:19.47DaveyBdendrite, any.
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01:20.00MiescoWhere can I get javaw?
01:20.00DaveyBabrotman, what other bittorrent clients are equal to azureus for functionality?
01:20.04dendriteScreen savers are evil.  Pretty, maybe.  Evil, definitely.
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01:20.19conreyton lcd worthless
01:20.36dendriteconreyt: 'cept as eye candy, I suppose...
01:20.42abrotmanDaveyB: who cares .. stop stealing stuff .. stop crashing your computer .. seems win-win to me
01:21.12DaveyBabrotman, stealing?  I download television as I work night shifts, why do you think I am always on a silly o'clock :D
01:21.23conreytthat's what I said ;) worthless :)
01:21.24abrotmanthat doesn't make it not stealing
01:21.51conreytdaveyd: technically tv is copywrighted as well.
01:21.55DaveyBabrotman, it's just the same as recording it onto a cassete, as long as you don't keep it for 24hours you are OK.  <British Laws>
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01:22.12gimmulfHow do i add an user to apache?
01:22.23abrotmanDaveyB: pick another BT client then
01:22.23gimmulfdo i add my user to www or something
01:22.33riczhogimmulf: Add what kind of user?
01:22.43riczhogimmulf: You mean for basic auth?
01:23.06abrotmani assume he means to be able to write to the /var/www/ directory
01:23.22gimmulfmm something like that, having problems getting svn to run
01:23.34DaveyBabrotman, I will consider it, but that doesn't resolve the problem with azureus, is there any way I can debug or test it prior to it crashing and locking my qhole machine up.
01:23.45abrotmanisn't azureus java ?
01:23.46gimmulfgetting an svn: PROPFIND of '/svn': 403 Forbidden error when i try to import a projekt into my svn dir...
01:24.07gimmulfso think it has something with the permissions to do
01:24.34abrotmanDaveyB: checked the BTS ?
01:24.34widroneabrotman: Aye, I think it is.
01:24.35riczhogimmulf: Oh, just chown apacheuser:apacheuser [svn directory]
01:24.41gimmulfriczho: i want to give apache permissions to rw a special dir
01:24.41DaveyBgimmulf, build a user like adduser name, set that to support public directorys httpd.conf, then set file permissions
01:25.13gimmulfriczho: but i dont know who's the apacheuser
01:25.25abrotmanDaveyB: is it a debian package ?
01:25.31riczhogimmulf: Or if you want to preserve the owner, chmod -R g+rw svn directory and make the group the apache user's group.
01:25.39riczhogimmulf: If you're using debian, it's most likely www-data
01:25.40DaveyBabrotman,  BTS?  Sorry is that Bittorrent Server?  Sorry my brain is pwned by acronyms.  No it was installed by hand
01:25.42dendritegimmulf: I believe you can use the www-data group for that.
01:25.44abrotman!bts
01:25.44dpkgi heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
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01:25.54DaveyBabrotman, ahh OK thankyou.
01:25.54abrotmanthen it won't be in the BTS
01:26.05abrotmantried #azureus ?
01:26.19gimmulfriczho: isnt it enought with chown www-data -R svndir?
01:26.30DaveyBabrotman, lol don't take the mick i didn't know it existed, thankyou I will ask there. :D
01:26.34riczhogimmulf: Yes-- I was just giving multiple methods.
01:26.44abrotmanaye .. i take the mick
01:26.51abrotmanand the janey
01:26.51riczhogimmulf: Oh-- that..  yeah, just that's enough.
01:27.09DaveyB;)l
01:27.37riczhoSpeaking of screensavers..  I'm using pam_unix2.so to encrypt user passwords with blowfish, but now when I lock the screen (xscreensaver), no password will authenticate me.
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01:28.08jcreighdang it, the vim in etch doesn't have the xterm_clipboard feature...
01:28.19riczhoI've read that making the xscreensaver binary suid root solves this, but I tried once and ended up having to restart X.
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01:29.19gimmulfriczho:  still getting svn: PROPFIND of '/svn': 403 Forbidden (http://serverip) when i try to run svn checkout serverip/svn/ :<
01:29.23gimmulfwierd
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01:35.27widroneon the topic of X and its like, Im running fluxbox now. Any other windowmanagers with low mem usage I should try out? Im constraint with 32MB =/
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01:35.39asgwidrone: ion
01:35.41abrotmanthere are smaller ones
01:35.46asgwidrone: or fvwm
01:35.47abrotmanwidrone: xwinman.org
01:35.59abrotmanratpoison used to be pretty small .. dunno if it still is
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01:36.32asgabrotman: it got bloated with dead rats. They call it gnome now
01:36.42widronefor some reason I started installing vncserver on my nslu2 today, now Im hooked. Thanks Ill have a look at all of them.
01:36.44abrotmaneh .. no ? :)
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01:43.31_nicolashi there
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01:46.43riczhoHi!
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01:48.31Clinton__does anyone know the proper way to use du to get the top largest files/directories?
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01:50.01fs-ahi, any idea where to look if I get kernel log messages of the type "[<b0133578>] kthread+0xd8/0xe0" and "[<b0317c20>] __schedule+0x300/0xab0"?
01:50.20riczhoClinton__: Perhaps du -b and pipe it into sort?
01:50.29riczhoClinton__: And then head, if you want.
01:50.35dendritelunitik: Because it's there?
01:50.58abrotmanfs-a: ask #kernel
01:51.03widroneCuz he can... Im still wondering myself thu. ;) No fans, no noice, no fuss I guess. Just hit me an hour ago, and I had to try it out.
01:51.04Clinton__riczho: yea, I once had it scripted on an old machine.. lost it tho and can't remember
01:51.05dendritelunitik: the NSLU2 is an ARM box, draws very little power.  Quite fun, actually.
01:51.56lunitikdendrite: he won't even be able to run the most basic of X applications though unless he makes the box a thin-client...
01:52.30dendritelunitik: The box has no display
01:52.42fs-aabrotman: i did
01:52.42widronelunitik: vnxserver package, im using a viewer from a mac... Yes, I lost it a long time ago!
01:53.03dendritelunitik: I use screen, he'll be able to push around xterm windows...
01:53.14riczhoClinton__: I just did du -bs * | sort | head
01:53.35Clinton__riczho: that isn't quite right tho, doesn't do proper numerical sorting
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01:53.47Clinton__you want sort -n  for that, but then that messes up du -h
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01:54.45riczhoClinton__: You can add -n [lines] to head to get the top n directories.
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01:54.50riczhoWhoops..  never mind, I just realized that my thing gave incorrect output.
01:55.09rxedI need libqt-mt.so.3. I have qt3 installed. Is there anything else I need to apt-get for get libqt-mt.so.3?
01:55.21rxedduh
01:55.22rxednm
01:55.32Clinton__riczho: here we go: du -bsh * | sort -rn | head
01:55.33riczhoClinton__: Ah, du -bs * | sort -n | tail -n lines
01:55.50riczhoOK, or rn works.
01:55.54Clinton__yup
01:56.00PumpkinPiehow can I chop off everything before a   _  <-- underscore  in my many file names
01:56.18riczhoClinton__: The -h may mess it up.
01:56.23widroneI just wanted too see what sort of preformance the little slug would give me with debian and some sort of X really. Free: 1284 is cutting it close, and it may be thrashing swap a bit too.
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01:56.48Clinton__riczho: it might, but thats OK for now
01:57.00riczhoOK.
01:57.07riczhoAs long as the units are the same..
01:57.13Clinton__yup
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01:59.10abrotmanrename
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02:07.56concept10thats violent
02:08.24gravityMmm... amaretto
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02:12.33abrotmanT I DOUBLE GGG ERRRRR
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02:17.44rxedah, crap. m-a is broken.
02:18.12rxedI wonder if testing will ever get stable.
02:19.35conreyttesting will never be stable.
02:19.58rxedconreyt: :-)
02:21.06Ronini think we all knew what they meant
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02:23.17conreytRonin: yes. I was typing a better response and saw that he left before I got a chance to hit enter...
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02:23.27rxedIs dig part of another larger package? it's not in bind9-host. Any ideas?
02:24.11abrotman!tell rxed about search
02:24.54rxedthanks, abrotman.
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02:27.04rxedok. I tried apt-file search for dig and got nothing. what's the correct apt-file syntax for 'dig' search?
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02:27.55diskususe the man
02:28.07rxeddiskus: huh?
02:28.19diskusman apt-file
02:28.38diskusand what the heck is apt-file?-)
02:28.41diskusnever heard of that
02:28.45rxedheh.
02:28.55rxednever heard of it and you are giving people advice how to use it?!
02:29.01diskustry apt-get dns-utils
02:29.13diskusapt-get install dns-utils even
02:29.19rxedhow did you find out that dig is part dns utils??
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02:29.27abrotmanrxed: did you run apt-file update first ?
02:29.32diskusrxed: I know what dig is part of dns utils
02:29.35abrotman!apt-file
02:29.36dpkgapt-file is, like, util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename
02:30.01diskusapt-file is etch feature?
02:30.18rxedabrotman: I did apt-file update. and followed it with 'apt-file search dig' that didn't work. so I tried 'apt-file search dig
02:30.21rxed<PROTECTED>
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02:30.44abrotmanrxed: apt-file update && apt-file search dig
02:31.08abrotmanor apt-file search bin/dig
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02:31.33rxedabrotman: ah. there you go. I didn't do bin/dig.
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02:32.00abrotmanrxed: you shouldn't have to .. it just limits the results
02:32.09rxedabrotman: what if the package is in sbin? I mean, how do I know where the package is supposed to be.
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02:32.24abrotmanrxed: it will match it .. it will get bin/dig or sbin/dig
02:32.47Jazbo!tell dpkg
02:32.58abrotmandpkg doesn't care
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02:36.16diskusit seems I don't have apt-file in sarge
02:36.21abrotmaninstall it
02:36.27diskusby default at least :P
02:36.32abrotmanapt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search apt-file
02:36.35nvz!install it
02:36.39diskusI know how to install :P
02:36.39abrotman!installit
02:36.40dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
02:37.10nvzabrotman: the irony..
02:38.14nvzI say something the right way for once in my yinzer life and I get it wrong
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02:38.28Bagoorhow can I mount all the /etc/fstab ?
02:38.39liablemount -a
02:39.02Bagoorliable, thx
02:39.09JazboI was `apt-get install` ing some stuff and i got http://channels.debian.net/paste/4193    what should I do?
02:39.16Guerin!yinzersmite nvz
02:39.42LifeStraglerive just installed the stable verion of debian and loaded mysql, however the version it has installed is 4 and the version I require is 5 how do i change this without messing up the whole system
02:39.51abrotmanJazbo: that's up to you .. pick one
02:39.55liableit took me a couple of times to even be able to understand that smite the first time saw it
02:40.02abrotman!tell LifeStragler about backports
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02:41.11nvzspeaking of yinzers get'n runnedover, apperently one of the hosts of the halloween party I am going to this weekend got hit by a van the other day.
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02:42.33BagoorI want to mount a partition, but want to let "nobody" user access it. What can I do ? (Without changing fstab)
02:42.53Bagooraccess == rw
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02:43.01abrotmanwhich type ?
02:43.10Bagoorabrotman, ext3
02:43.24nvzchmod/chown
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02:44.12Bagoornvz, when I mount with root, the folder will be chown to root, and can't change its permission
02:46.11LifeStraglerok im lost on that backport stuff.....debian automatically installed mysql v4 and i need v5 (database issues with 4)
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02:49.17liableLifeStragler: take a deep breath, read the backports howto, also man apt_preferences and see how you go, also goodle for an 'apt pinning' howto
02:50.16rxedIs there a super cool linux or debian specific xscreensaver?
02:50.31abrotmanat backports.org .. there are instructions
02:50.43abrotmanrxed: mobius!
02:51.18abrotmanmoebius
02:51.23Gumbydoes anyone here know if it is possible to have files created as a specific gid when creating files in a smb mounted directory?
02:51.37GuerinGumby: #samba
02:52.08rxedabrotman: does it run in xscreensaver?
02:52.14abrotmanyes
02:52.23liablei like the bouncing cows screensaver
02:52.24BagoorHow can I chown a lot of files ? (I get this error now : -bash: /bin/chown: Argument list too long)
02:52.32GumbyGuerin: no one responds in #samba
02:52.37abrotmanxscreensaver-gl: usr/lib/xscreensaver/moebius
02:52.38Guerin!they don't know
02:52.39dpkgJust because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems.  Go try Google.
02:52.42liablecows on a tramampaline
02:53.04GumbyGuerin: 99% of all questions asked here are not debian specific.  whats the problem?
02:53.04liableGuerin: its not so much they dont know, its that no one answers
02:53.16craigevilFirefox 2.0 hits FTP earlier than expected > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061023-8049.html
02:53.27rxedabrotman: found it. thanks. its part of rss-glx.
02:53.29LifeStragleryay thanks guys mysql 5 is installing :)
02:54.03abrotmancraigevil: wrong channel ?
02:54.07rxedabrotman: it's cool. but I wanted something with penguins.
02:54.14craigevilyeah sorry lol
02:54.28abrotmanrxed: i like xsnow :)
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02:55.02GuerinGumby: that's not true, it's much closer to 85%
02:55.13Guerin!they aren't there
02:55.13dpkgJust because the morons in some OTHER channel aren't helping with your non-debian problem , it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems.  Go try Google.
02:55.19widroneGumby: Have a look at the create mask option in the config file, I seem to remember its called something like that.
02:55.26JazboDoh! I forget how to ask dpkg a question...
02:55.26Guerinliable: ↑
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02:56.35Gumbywidrone: umask is for permissions I believe.  Not uid/gid
02:57.11Guerini'd be looking at the sticky bit or such
02:57.29Guerinbut no clue if it works in samba, hence asking there might be a plan
02:59.20itchiI want to sync the time of my computer with an server on the net? How is that called again?
02:59.27widroneGumby: Rite on, them Im all blank.
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02:59.28abrotman!ntp
02:59.28dpkgfrom memory, ntp is the Network Time Protocol.  Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage.  Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already.  (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.)  See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information.
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02:59.37itchiabrotman: Thanks ;-)
03:00.41abrotman!ubuntu
03:00.42dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ or /join #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here.
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03:01.15Vitux!based on debian
03:01.16dpkgYou're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages.  You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis>
03:01.18Vituxcurious :P
03:01.24vitherr.. right. forgot i was using this livecd. lol
03:01.46jetscreameri'm vith stupid ->
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03:03.29lostboyzhi i was wondering why i can see my webcam but i am not able to send it is there a package that i need to use to send it
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03:08.09psticknewhere or where did my preference file go?
03:08.15pstickne(as in, it's no longer around, wtf?)
03:08.28tengulreanybody can tell me a web photo manager?
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03:08.55psticknegallery?
03:09.04liabletengulre: explain a bit more what your after
03:10.03abrotman!info igal sarge
03:10.08dpkgigal: (online image gallery generator), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 116 kB
03:10.20tengulreliable: I need a tool that can upload and review photo online..
03:10.48itchi!coffee liable
03:10.57psticknehave an example site of what you're looking for? anything like http://gallery.flawedaxiom.com?
03:11.01liabletengulre: apache-mod-gallery is good and simple, uploads can be done with scp/rsync
03:11.11pstickneor something lighter?
03:11.16tengulreliable: thanks!!
03:11.16liableitchi: thanks, not quite beer o clock yet
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03:12.52itchipstickne: I have make use of 'jigl' (perl script). Realy good
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03:13.47itchipstickne: Gallery2 is also fun, but that's almost everything there are available. Try some differents
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03:16.50itchiug, my clock is right
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03:18.11itchiSo we only need to install 'ntp' and he automatically sync the time?? I mean there is no configuration to setup?? Looks like it's working right now
03:18.33abrotmanyeah .. that sucks
03:18.59itchiI'm reading the stuff a bit, but not yet find anything about it. Looks to simply
03:19.14itchiabrotman: I like to have 30 minutes advance on others :-p
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03:19.45itchiBut some time it's shit when the clock is not yet right
03:20.04tictacare there any issues with using ooffice with DRI disabled? it keeps killing my x session when i start it saying "AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable"
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03:21.51itchintpdate is to make an ntp server, without any special hardware??
03:23.12liableugh, gonna be on dial up for a couple o months :(
03:23.42itchiliable: Oela 56k?
03:23.53liableya
03:24.00itchiooeeii
03:24.09itchiliable: That will be crazy
03:24.20liableit will be teh suck
03:24.58itchiSome time when i'm over my limit (10GB down, 2GB up), my provide go down to 56k here. Realy realy crazy then
03:25.31itchiAt least, you got some fancy music before surfing :-p
03:26.15itchiliable: Have you not the choice?
03:26.24tictaca limit would suck.
03:26.27tictacespecially one that low.
03:26.42tictacwell, low for me. i have 10 meg down 1 meg up. :D
03:27.14liableitchi: moving house
03:27.18liable!beat tictac
03:27.21itchiIt's month limit. 10GB downloading montly, not the speed. Normally it's 10MB/sec, normally
03:27.35tictaci know. that still sucks.
03:27.49tictaci upload more than 2 gig daily for the most part.
03:27.53itchiliable: I not know if that's still used 'call back', for dial up
03:29.06k-man_is oracle db available for linux?
03:29.11abrotman!oracle
03:29.11dpkgit has been said that oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml  Debian packages(for Express Edition) available at http://otn.oracle.com/ or apt repository at http://oss.oracle.com/debian/
03:29.31k-man_oh
03:29.31k-man_thanks
03:30.59k-man_is there a free (as in beer) version of oracle?
03:31.25liablenope, you cant even use it if you come from syria
03:31.26k-man_mn, i found it
03:31.39abrotmank-man_: did you read the whole factoid ?
03:32.39k-man_yes
03:32.41k-man_i did
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03:33.02k-man_maybe my question wasn't very well worded
03:33.31k-man_how free is the free version of oracle?
03:33.36abrotman<PROTECTED>
03:33.47abrotmanit's beer free
03:34.35liablewith source code?
03:34.42abrotmanBEER free
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03:34.47k-man_no, that would be free as in speech
03:34.49De_Monbeer is free?
03:34.51jcreighhmm...do you guys know of any X11 keyboard util that would allow to configure something like this: <spacebar down><some key><spacebar up> sends meta-<some key> and <spacebar down><spacebar up> justs sends spacebar?
03:34.57De_Monhehe poor abrotman
03:35.01gravityDe_Mon: That depends. Are you sexy?
03:35.06diskusyou probably can't get source for making beer
03:35.08De_Mongravity no :(
03:35.10liableyeah, i wish i could find that free beer shop
03:35.10diskusso beer is not exactly free
03:35.22k-man_abrotman, sorry to pester you, but does the free version have any restrictions?
03:35.28De_Monk-man_ just use POSTGRESQL
03:35.44abrotmank-man_: you can't be a terrorist .. can't be from syria .. probably can't run a money making application from it
03:35.48widroneHey, Ill be all the sexy you want if the beer is free. Im moving to your backyard! ;)
03:35.49De_Monyou can't use it for profit, database size limitation
03:36.10De_Mondrink enough beer and I'll be sexy
03:36.12abrotmangravity: you need to learn SQL .. the admin part of postgres is easy
03:36.28gravityabrotman: Typing raw sql terrifies me
03:36.44abrotmanuse ASCII ?
03:36.47De_Monusing a gay ass handholding interface pisses me off
03:37.07k-man_thanks abrotman
03:37.29gravityI need a nice overlay that I can hook in to ruby
03:37.41k-man_so you can't use it for running an accounting package?
03:37.49grendal_primeok anyone else using a treo 650?
03:38.02gravityDe_Mon: It's on the PC now? Are they porting any of the apparently lesser sequels?
03:38.07De_Monk-man_ for yourself? yes. for your FOR PROFIT business, NO.
03:38.12De_Mongravity just 3
03:38.24gravityArgh
03:38.25De_Monmumbles.. it doesnt like me running daemon tools how gay
03:38.34k-man_De_Mon, i could i guess... but my software provider has no experience with mysql or postgresql
03:38.43k-man_De_Mon, ok, thankjs
03:39.02De_Mongravity was 3 any good?
03:39.16gravityDe_Mon: I don't know. I heard 2 was terrible, so I didn't even look at 3
03:39.29De_Monheh
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03:39.56Cooner750How can I get my "0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 12)" working?
03:40.29Cooner750I installed alsa base and alsa-utils, and ran alsaconf, it's detected and says driver loaded but I get no sound.kmix says no devices. Volume is up according to alsamixer
03:41.32abrotman!alsa-checklist
03:41.33dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
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03:46.33De_Monahh yes PS2 and the famous unskippable cutscenes :/
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03:48.29pstickneDe_Mon, how else are they going to make the game play 200 hours minimum without 190 hours of mind numbingly repetitive cut-scenes?
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03:56.16kingsleyWhy has now weekly news been posted at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/current/issue/ since September 26th?
03:56.35caton man2html what is the local address to put in the browser?
03:56.37kingsleys/now/no/
03:56.38liablesee the first comment (iirc) of the last one
03:56.45psticknecan I downgrade a package to a particular version? is it maintained in the repos anywhere?
03:57.06Guerinkingsley: suggest you ask a mailing list
03:57.19pstickne(upgrading emacs-snapshot-common to 20061009 killed the rest of emacs-snaphot)
03:57.36craigevilkingsley the person that was in charge of the News left/went to work on a diff project
03:58.37kingsleycraigevil: Is that Martin Zobel-Helas, Sebastian Feltel or Martin 'Joey' Schulze?
03:58.51liablejoey
03:59.02craigevilthat I dont know only remeber reading something about it on the user mailing list
04:00.06De_Mon>_< no full screen? wtf is this! sigh waste of money I just sure
04:00.57catwhat is this website called devart.com or deviart.com
04:00.58dondelelcarokingsley: because no one is doing it currently
04:01.01cator something like that
04:01.10De_Mondeviant art
04:01.17De_Monuse google it's your firend
04:01.29zinxdeviantart is overrun
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04:01.54zinxthe number of new 'deviations' is measured per second :/
04:02.08zinxand it's well over 1 :/
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04:02.23jeffrinhello all
04:02.29jeffrinis sid and etch the same
04:04.59Guerinjeffrin: no.
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04:07.59De_Monjeffrin sid used to be the latest unstable, now etch is and sid is testing
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04:08.24gravityerh... what?
04:08.37Guerindwu_: what is sid now, if not unstable?
04:08.40Guerinthis is a big change!
04:08.46GuerinDe_Mon:
04:08.49De_Moneh?
04:08.57GuerinDe_Mon:  what is sid now, if not unstable?
04:08.59liablenobody told me :(
04:09.01gravityDe_Mon: Sorry, but you're really wrong
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04:09.05Element14De_Mon: ?!
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04:09.19Guerin!confuse De_Mon
04:09.19dpkgNo, who is their gerbil today, De_Mon? shirts of the monarchy of tibet with extra anchovies
04:09.20De_Monif I've gotten names mixed up, sorry..
04:09.23vultureDe_Mon: In a word: no.
04:09.24gravityjeffrin: Sid is unstable. It's where new packages are uploaded to. Etch is the current testing, which means it'll be the next stable release.
04:09.26Element14Etch is testing. Sid is always unstable.
04:09.43gravityjeffrin: When packages fulfill certain criteria, they migrate from sid to etch
04:10.02gravityjeffrin: Once etch becomes the stable release, testing will get a new codename, but unstable will remain sid
04:10.08gravityjeffrin: Make sense?
04:10.23De_Monoh, okay. what they said!
04:10.50jeffrinya
04:10.53gravitycool
04:11.22jeffrinso sid is more current than etch
04:11.26gravityYes
04:11.31widroneI want that as april 1st release next year mkay? In big fat letters "Debian Sid finaly released!" (That will shut the whiners up) ;)
04:11.33gravityAlthough also more prone to breakage
04:11.51jeffrinis gnome 2.16 deb packages available
04:12.06gravityjeffrin: Yes, they're starting to appear in sid. They may be in experimental already
04:12.40jeffrinwhat is the difference between experimental and sid
04:12.42gravityjeffrin: The debian gnome team decided to wait because there were some serious issues with 2.16 that weren't caught until after the release
04:12.58Guerinwidrone: that would fool *hundreds* of slashdotters
04:13.00gravityjeffrin: Experimental isn't a full distro. It's where really not-ready-to-release packages are uploaded so people can test them
04:13.20jeffrinok
04:13.37gravityjeffrin: But you'll have to run unstable if you have experimental packages because experimental doesn't contain everything
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04:14.49widroneGuerin: The "OMG Sid!" and "yay they are releasing more often" comments would flood /. for days I persume.
04:15.27jeffrinok
04:16.32psychonatebah, I can't get any sound with flashplayer 7
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04:17.18craigeviltry the flash9 beta
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04:17.28Cooner750I cannot get sound to work for anything.
04:17.31psychonatesounds like a plan
04:17.53Cooner750KDE keeps telling me "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)"
04:18.57ikorCooner750: cause you don't have a permission..
04:18.58liableCooner750: did you add yourself to audio group?
04:20.11Cooner750yes
04:20.27liablewere you in it or did you add yourself?
04:21.01Cooner750I added myself
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04:21.14liablehave you logged out since?
04:21.25Cooner750No, should I ?
04:21.28liableyep
04:21.35gravityThat would very likely solve your problem
04:22.01gravityIt would be seriously hot if linux could dynamically reconfigure groups so that such things aren't necessary
04:22.16gravityWho wants to hack up that feature?
04:23.00De_Monif youre in the group can't you become a member without starting a new shell?
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04:23.30widroneGotta love lady luck, I find the typo in the script that pulls gps coords just when the silly satelites move out of fix range. Bah!
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04:24.04Cooner750No sound error when logging in..
04:25.32ikorCooner750: what perms do you have on /dev/dsp?
04:25.44liablegravity: i dont think i have had to do the audio shuffle the last couple of installs
04:25.53Cooner750ikor: 0660
04:26.05ikorCooner750: ownership?
04:26.10Cooner750Not sure
04:26.16Cooner750kmix is working this time
04:26.24Cooner750I just have no way to test sound..
04:26.26ikordo ls -l /dev/dsp
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04:26.40liableCooner750: cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp
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04:27.12Cooner750ikor: crw-rw----  1 root audio 14, 3 2006-10-23 20:24 /dev/dsp
04:27.18Cooner750liable: Device or resource busy
04:27.43ikorCooner750: post 'id' output
04:28.11liableCooner750: fuser /dev/dsp
04:29.16Cooner750ikor: ID as my normal user says: uid=1001(work) gid=1001(work) groups=29(audio),1001(work)
04:29.59gravityliable: Yeah, you're added automatically now, but that doesn't mean that the system can handle things dynamically
04:30.00psychonatecraigevil, excellent. The mozilla plugin for flash9 works well
04:30.15craigevilglad to hear that
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04:30.20psychonateMe too
04:30.33psychonateI'll check out the standalone player too for the hell of it
04:31.15De_Monfuser -u whoa I've always used lsof!
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04:32.37Meth[Linux]Is ftp.debian.org down or something?
04:32.49Meth[Linux]Or is it just me?
04:34.00dondelelcaroMeth[Linux]: it's you
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04:37.00Meth[Linux]hmmm, apt times out trying to connect to it and I can't seem to get to it via the web browsers
04:37.10Meth[Linux]tracert works though
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04:38.09Meth[Linux]well sort of, I get a really high response for the first try and the second fails
04:39.19psychonatehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EJCPp9zJh8&eurl=
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04:40.40psychonateer shit
04:40.41psychonatesorry guys
04:41.10psychonate(wrong window)
04:41.41Meth[Linux]what the hell was that
04:41.47Meth[Linux]err heck
04:41.51Meth[Linux]sorry
04:42.22Meth[Linux]is that actually new or is it something from the 80's?
04:42.44De_Monthe 80s? they couldn't do that in the 80s
04:42.46psychonateRelatively new. I recently heard the song on an intel commercial heh
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04:43.25De_Monperfict example of why I don't watch music videos
04:43.30De_Monperfect
04:43.31psychonatehah
04:43.35Meth[Linux]I didn't watch the whole thing but I didn't see anything they couldn't do it the 80's
04:43.41Meth[Linux]It's shots of candy and the band
04:44.07psychonateNow if only I could get the flash9 plugin to utilize fullscreen :(
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04:44.38De_Monthe actual camera shots and overall quality of the video is not 80s
04:44.56Meth[Linux]I guess
04:45.01De_Mongo watch old gameshows to get an idea of what that era looked like on film
04:45.05daedalus_anyone know what kernel option I need to set to keep my box from enabling (probing for) md devices?
04:45.09Meth[Linux]It's on youtube, it's not exactly great quality
04:45.19craigeviljust click the button next to the far right in the youtube thingy and it goes full screen
04:45.23psychonateMeth[Linux], well, I would get it elsewhere, but it seems hard to find.
04:45.42Meth[Linux]Oh I'm not bashing it
04:45.55Meth[Linux]It's not my thing but whatever
04:46.00Meth[Linux]I was just curious
04:46.06psychonateEven so, I'd prefer to not have to visit youtube each time I wanted to watch it heh
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04:46.28psychonateAnd so far as I can tell, I can't save it from there
04:46.51snadge-wwhy does debian testing (2.6.17) not have ipg network driver compiled as a module?
04:46.52craigevilthere is a firefox extension you can use to save vids
04:47.01Meth[Linux]So no one else is having trouble connection to ftp.debian.org then?
04:47.20Meth[Linux]shhhh, you said firefox
04:47.21craigevilnope i just tried it no problems
04:47.23snadge-wor am i wrong? i cant seem to find the driver for my network card.. and dont understand why i should have to recompile my kernel when it should just be available as a module called ipg.ko ?
04:47.25Meth[Linux]It's IceWeasel
04:47.26De_Monftp.debian.org is 4 machines
04:47.29Meth[Linux];)
04:47.40craigevilnot yet it isnt
04:48.13De_Mon4 ips with 4 unique names, maybe they are all the same box
04:48.20Meth[Linux]Well I don't know what's wrong with me then... this IRC and my shoutcast steams work great
04:48.37Meth[Linux]+r
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04:50.22Meth[Linux]well I didn't get my updates for today so can anyone check for me if audacious made it in yet?
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04:50.45Meth[Linux]If not I'll just leave it and hope it works itself out... otherwise I'll start trying mirrors
04:51.20Meth[Linux]oh I guess I can just check on the web... is that package search updated daily?
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04:52.07psychonatecraigevil, this is an embedded flash video, else it would be fairly easy; but I think I found one solution
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04:52.53Meth[Linux]I can't even ping ftp.debian.org... 180 packets sent, 0 received
04:53.34GuerinMeth[Linux]: dig ftp.debian.org
04:53.39liableMeth[Linux]: whats traceroute say?
04:53.42GuerinMeth[Linux]: try the ip addresses directly
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04:54.18clientxsany users here that might be able to point me in the right direction for a cross compile of a 64bit kernel on a 32bit kernel/platform.
04:54.29Meth[Linux]it resolves to 128.101.240,212 for me
04:54.33Meth[Linux]I'll try that directly
04:54.39]Gnea[clientxs: k8
04:54.40Guerinclientxs: #debian-amd64 might know/care
04:55.14Meth[Linux]nothing with the IP either
04:55.31GuerinMeth[Linux]: it's *four* machines in round-robin. If you'd done what I told you, you'd have four ip addresses to try.
04:55.35GuerinMeth[Linux]: no shit
04:55.45GuerinMeth[Linux]: if the name won't respond, why would the ip?
04:55.52Guerinonce resolved, they're the same thing
04:56.52De_Monsilly rabbit
04:56.57aFlaghello, I've installed console-setup on etch and I chose abnt2 as my keyboard layout. I'm wondering what keymap it uses. I had a problem with the /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/br-abnt2.kmap.gz it didn't recoginize my "/" key. So I've added it manually. When I configure it through console-setup it stop working, althought if I do "loadkeys br-abnt2" it works back again.
04:57.31craigevilif the problem is with his dns servers using the actual ip might work where the name wont
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04:57.52Meth[Linux]Well the 3 other ones work
04:58.02Meth[Linux]but when I use the name I only ever get the first one
04:58.06Meth[Linux]which doesn't work
04:58.09Guerincraigevil: this is why I advised dig - because it will soon become apparent if there's a problem with his nameserver
04:58.22GuerinMeth[Linux]: that's what caching nameservers do.
04:58.40GuerinMeth[Linux]: i'm currently finding the same problem for releases.mozilla.org
04:58.54Meth[Linux]so can I fix that somehow or do I have to edit my sources with one of the other IPs?
04:59.00craigevilmozilla is probably suffering a /.
04:59.11liableheh, yup
04:59.20Meth[Linux]yeah 2.0 just released
04:59.26Guerincraigevil: since yesterday, but yeah. I presume that's why the first ip in the rr doesn't work, but others are fast as
05:00.12GuerinMeth[Linux]: issues like this often fix themselves in time - a temporary measure would be an /etc/hosts entry for ftp.d.o
05:00.26snadge-wcan anyone please explain why in the official linux kernel, there is a driver called "ipg" .. but in the debian kernels, all references to it have been completely removed.. (which i might add is highly irritating as I wish to use debian with this newtwork card) ?
05:00.31GuerinMeth[Linux]: or just changing to another mirror, like kernel.org or somesuch
05:00.56Guerinsnadge-w: read the debain changelogs, or ask on debian-kernel(?) mailing list
05:02.01snadge-wGuerin: without wanting to troll too much.. ubuntu has the driver, and i guess i have the option of using an official linux kernel.. but what a pain, thanks for your answer though :)
05:02.29Guerinsnadge-w: drivers don't tend to get removed without a damn good reason - it's easier to leave them in.
05:03.07snadge-wGuerin: unfortunately i have this suspicious feeling that the answer is purely a political one, and not legal.. as why would ubuntu willingly distribute somethign which violates the law
05:05.13snadge-wgoogle hasnt turned up any results either
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05:06.36Guerinsnadge-w: you say that as if copyright/licensing/patent law for software is clear-cut and simple.
05:07.09Guerinsnadge-w: you know red hat doesn't distribute mp3 decoders, right?
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05:08.04snadge-windeed this is true.. i hate how its times like this where i fall into the "i just want my network card to work" category, and could care less about semantics
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05:08.21Guerinsnadge-w: i have just three words: buy decent hardware.
05:08.26snadge-wits the innocent people who end up with this hardware that end up being punished
05:08.32Guerinhah
05:08.39Guerinyou bought it, now make it work.
05:08.41amphisnadge-w: no one is innocent ;)
05:08.53snadge-wits not even mine.. someone else bought it, and im helping them get it to work
05:08.53sngsnadge-w: Yes, Debian hates you and wants you to suffer.
05:09.10Guerin!supported by
05:09.10dpkgI just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works.
05:09.20]Gnea[grrr, i'm beginning to regret getting this dell perc2
05:09.27snadge-wso thats why im even more irritated about it.. i dont care, its not even my problem.. i just thought i'd be "nice" and help someone, and now i have to put up with this sort of stuff
05:09.37Guerin]Gnea[: speaking of decent hardware.
05:09.52dondelelcarosnadge-w: so drop in a supported card, or build the non-free module
05:09.58]Gnea[Guerin: hrm?
05:09.59amphisnadge-w: no good deed goes unpunished ;)
05:10.01Guerinsnadge-w: tell them to go buy a $5 rlt
05:10.07Guerin]Gnea[: you said 'dell'
05:10.18snadge-wor install ubuntu.. which is based on debian, and supports it ;)
05:10.20]Gnea[Guerin: yeah, well they made the card in conjunction with adaptec
05:10.27Guerinsnadge-w: fair enough.
05:10.38]Gnea[what's pissing me off is that i can't even ctrl-A to get into the settings
05:10.39dondelelcarosnadge-w: sure; but then don't complain here...
05:10.53Guerinsnadge-w: be interested to know why they distribute it when debian won't, though., Particularly since it's in mainline,
05:11.01dondelelcaro]Gnea[: usually it has to go through the entire post before dropping you in
05:11.59]Gnea[dondelelcaro: the entire post of the card or the system post?
05:11.59psychonatebah
05:11.59dondelelcaro]Gnea[: the system post
05:12.00Meth[Linux]Guerin: Thanx for the help. Guess I'll just wait and see if it fixes itself.
05:12.00]Gnea[dondelelcaro: i did not know that, thank, i'll give that a shot
05:12.00dondelelcaro]Gnea[: IE, it usually loads right before you'd load a bootloader
05:12.00snadge-wGuerin: i've just searched the debian-kernel mailing list archives for "IPG" and have turned up nothing
05:12.01psychonateMplayer will play my flash video file, but xmmplayer (for xmms) won't let me add the file to xmms playlist
05:12.03Guerinsnadge-w: start at the changelog
05:12.14Guerinpsychonate: no shit
05:12.15psychonateConvenient.
05:12.22psychonateGuerin, why not?
05:12.33Guerinpsychonate: no idea
05:12.35psychonateGuerin, I can add AVIs, etc
05:12.45Guerinpsychonate: it probably has some braindead filename rules or somesuch
05:12.52psychonatecould be
05:12.56Guerinpsychonate: rename it to .avi and see what gives
05:13.01psychonatetried that ;)
05:13.02]Gnea[dondelelcaro: this must be a raid controller thing, because every adaptec i've ever encountered jumps straight into the bios
05:13.04Guerinheh
05:13.32dondelelcaro]Gnea[: the raid ones wait, because they want all of the cards to post. The nice adaptec cards will handle multiple cards in a single box
05:13.38snadge-wGuerin: which changelog am i looking at?
05:13.59dondelelcarosnadge-w: the kernel package changelog
05:14.18]Gnea[dondelelcaro: well, considering this was a dell hybrid, it doesn't surprize me that they left out a few things in order to cut corners
05:14.20Guerinsnadge-w: the one for whatever kernel you're using would be a start. I think they show deviations from the stock kernel.org release.
05:14.41]Gnea[the question now is, will it ever finish post?
05:14.54dondelelcaro]Gnea[: yeah, it takes a while for some of those machines
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05:27.13snadge-wGuerin: the changelog of 2.6.17-9 ( http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.17-9/changelog ) does not contain any references to IPG ?
05:27.44snadge-wwhich confuses me.. since vanilla 2.6.17 obviously contains an ipg.c
05:28.29snadge-wso not only does debian refuse to acknowledge an official mainline linux drivers existance, but it has been removed without any indication anywhere as to why.. thats fantastic :)
05:30.20snadge-wim impressed, thats something i would expect from microsoft ;)
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05:35.13tarzeau!popcon
05:35.14dpkg[popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
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05:40.37damag0rsomeone who has some expertise please check this one http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/10/msg02474.html
05:40.38damag0r:(
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05:58.37silly_girl22google earth didnt didnt add itself to the menu in gnome. anyone had this problem in debian?
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06:00.47snadge-wsilly_girl22: google earth isnt supported by debian is it?
06:00.48Guerinsilly_girl22: debian package?
06:01.19snadge-wmaybe just add a menu entry yourself for it :)
06:01.27snadge-wor run it from command prompt or run command
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06:02.44Guerinsilly_girl22: you could try running update-menus but I wouldn't hope for much, since google earth isn't part of debian.
06:02.57Guerinsilly_girl22: and probably isn't set up to make gnome menu entries automatically.
06:03.05liablei dont particularly trust any software from google, but maybe i'm just paranoid
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06:04.15Guerinyou're not
06:04.20Guerinthey're a search company
06:04.25Guerindata aggregation is what they do
06:04.30liableand rabid advertiser
06:04.36liableexactly
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06:05.21wols_I distrust their webservices more than their software
06:05.48liablei dont use anything but the search engine, and i block cookies from it
06:07.03Guerinwell, I do use their web services
06:07.10Guerinthere's just no viable alternative
06:07.19Guerinwell, tbf, I use google news and search
06:07.26Guerinand gmail for spamtraps
06:07.38liablegmail makes me nervous
06:07.38silly_girl22gooooooood night
06:07.49snadge-wgurein: so you harvest the spam from a gmail account and use it to train your spam filter? :)
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06:08.23snadge-wor just use it for spammy things that require an email address
06:08.28Guerinsnadge-w: no need, I get <1 spam per day since implementing greylisting
06:08.32Guerinsnadge-w: yeah
06:09.13snadge-wim thinking of adding greylisting, but im using all the DNS checks, DCC, SPF and some custom rulesets for spamassassin
06:09.15liableGuerin: whats this greylisting of which you speak?
06:09.24liablenever fucking heard of it
06:09.31Guerin!greylisting
06:09.31snadge-wone of my accounts is greylisted, and i still get 4 to 5 spams a day
06:09.32dpkgwell, greylisting is see http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/whitepaper.html for the skinny,apt-get install postgrey (for postfix)
06:10.00Guerindpkg, greylisting =~ s/skinny,/skinny, /
06:10.01dpkgOK, Guerin
06:10.24Guerinsnadge-w: it cut spam on my server by at least 90%
06:10.41liableoh, i dont really have my own mta for all intensive purposes
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06:10.48Werdnamy imagemagick doesn't love me
06:11.00Werdnaconvert: error while loading shared libraries: libXt.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
06:11.22liableWerdna: so find out why you are missing that file
06:11.30Werdnahmm
06:11.31Werdna<PROTECTED>
06:11.32Werdnaugly
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06:11.52Werdnaahh, -t unstable fixes it
06:12.03GuerinWerdna: this is why mixed systems are bad
06:12.06Guerinand yet good
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06:12.44liableand sometimes fucked up :)
06:13.19Werdnamixed systems are awesome
06:13.28Werdnaplus, I'd likely break something if I did a dist-upgrade
06:13.56liablei think i would be easier to run all unstable than a mixed box
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06:14.27Werdnaheh, last time I did dist-upgrade to run an all-unstable box, I ended up with about four different architectures installed
06:14.32Werdnaand another one was the default
06:14.40Werdnaand lots of general ugliness
06:14.47Werdnagranted, that was my first debian box, about a year ago
06:14.53Werdnabah!
06:14.54Werdnaugly.
06:15.05Werdnageneral apt dependency-ugliness
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06:15.26Werdnait all boils down to depending on xfree86-common, which, once installs, uninstalls all of my current progress >:-(
06:16.02SakalRhi, I try to lunch eclipse platform via Debian 3.1 (java-sablevm 1.11.3) but binary luncher (./eclipse) faild (The Eclipse executable launcher was anable to locate its companion startup file) and show alert, where I see path to startup.jar: /usr/local/eclipse/./startup // How can I launch eclipse, may be manualy (how?)
06:17.07Werdnashrug, maybe I should do a dist-upgrade.
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06:18.14Werdnaokay, I bit the bullet
06:18.23Werdnaroot@EPSTONE-DEB03:/data/mediawiki/phase3# apt-get dist-upgrade
06:18.30Werdna114 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 11 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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06:22.26tralalaEvery time Bruce Schneier smiles, an amateur cryptographer dies.
06:23.17Werdnaevery time you dist-upgrade to etch, a debian dev cries
06:23.37liables/cries/laughs hysterically/
06:23.51tralalamuahahahaha
06:24.19tralalaeverytime a newb uses testing/unstable dpkg lols
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06:24.52tralaladpkg, say lol
06:24.53dpkglol
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06:29.35psticknewhat is a good way to find out one of the fancy font strings?
06:29.47pstickneooh
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06:44.07g00seIf i have
06:44.09g00segoose   ALL = (root)NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt-get
06:44.10g00sein /etc/sudoers, why does goose get error:
06:44.12g00seE: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
06:45.05sepg00se, adn you are typing the command  ? sudo apt-get update
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06:45.52g00sesep: Doh! May have forgotten sudo ;-)
06:46.02liablelol
06:46.31g00seThanks sep
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06:48.36myesterioushi
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06:50.26Zap-Whey
06:51.06myesterioushey, Can i use Ubuntu package with Debian ? (such as nvidia-glx)
06:51.20Zap-Wis there a "emergency"  word you can append to the kernel to boot it without init?
06:51.54amphiZap-W: init=/bin/bash or some other shell ?
06:51.58Zap-Wor does this work only for redhat?
06:51.58liableZap-W: init=/bin/sh
06:52.37Zap-Win redhat you ad emergency i guess that's the equivalent of that
06:52.46liablemyesterious: prolly, but it may break your box
06:53.21pstickneafter hitting C-s and freezing the terminal, how to resume it?
06:53.27amphictrl-q
06:53.30Zap-Wliable: where does one need to edit to make a word such as "emergency" act like if i typed init=/bin/bash ?
06:53.57Zap-Wliable: btw , dosent the kernel need to mount the FS before it can access /bin/bash?
06:54.06myesteriousanother as i known is Install nvidia-glx via Debian unstable (now i am using Debian testing)
06:54.06liableZap-W: hrm, i dont know if you could easily, but i guess it would be in the grub code somewhere
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06:54.18myesteriousanother way*
06:54.25amphiZap-W: sure it needs to mount /
06:54.50myesteriousnvidia-glx is in Debian unstable only.
06:55.03liable!nvidia etch
06:55.08liablemeh
06:55.22Zap-Wamphi: just the / no other partition ?
06:55.23liable!etch nvidia
06:55.24dpkgAs of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from  http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7.
06:55.33myesteriousetch has no nvidia-glx :(
06:55.43amphiZap-W: just / - it'll be mounted ro
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06:56.23myesteriousthanks
06:56.26Zap-Wamphi: is passing "rescue" to grub also a shortcut of something else?
06:57.48liableZap-W: debian has a rescue mode in menu.list which boots to init1
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06:58.21amphiZap-W: no, it's just a grub menu label
06:59.02psticknehow can I disable C-s "freezing" a terminal?
06:59.17pelzi_ctrl+q
06:59.23amphipstickne: why would you want to?
06:59.25pstickneand make it useful. eg: emacs
06:59.36pelzi_and simply do not use xoff if you do not want it
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07:06.27Guerinpstickne: it's generally a bad idea to fuck with terminal builtins like that
07:06.48Guerinpstickne: but you probably think you know best
07:07.14g00seWhat's the best way to get a blank line above current one in vi without leaving it in insert mode?
07:07.24pstickneGuerin, stty stop undef seems to do the trick.
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07:11.06Guerinpstickne: hope you never have to stop your terminal because it's scrolling 1,000 lines per minute and you can't read the error
07:11.51Guering00se: #vi?
07:11.57pstickneGuerin, can't say I've had that happen.
07:12.19pstickneGuerin, or rather, I usually pipe it to a pager
07:13.53pstickne(if it's scrolling 1,000 lines a minute, I'm not getting any good information from a random pause-sampling)
07:14.29Guerinyou are in the case of a repeating error
07:14.54psticknein which case ^C and see the end of it anyway
07:15.06Guerinyeah, right.
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07:17.20tonguerootrying to start an mysql install i just installed, but it says in the err log that it cant start the server because the port is already in use... how can i use netstat to find out what program is using it? everytime i read the manpages of netstat i get a headache :(
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07:19.21tongueroonevermind, i using nmap
07:20.15amphitongueroo: netstat -plunt FTW
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07:22.42Guerinnmap won't tell you what's using a port, though
07:22.51Guerinso I don't see what that accomplishes
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07:32.33gurunowhen i install the chinese version of openoffice, the English version which i had installed earlier was removed. does that mean there can be only one language version of oo in the system?
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07:33.17bosahy
07:33.29gurunobosa: u use oo?
07:34.18bosaVan itt magyar debianos?
07:34.27guruno:D
07:34.58gurunosolly, don't speak your language. o.o
07:35.07bosaguruno I'm from hungary
07:35.22gurunobosa: u must be really hungry.
07:35.28amphi!hu
07:35.29dpkgsomebody said hu was Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
07:35.29guruno:D
07:35.52bosathx amphi
07:36.14gurunoamphi: translatem, pls.
07:36.31amphiI don't speak magyar ;)
07:37.19gurunomplayer developers are hungarian? its homesite is .hu.
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07:51.27dpkgqotd127 is probably < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in  computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that.
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07:51.54bartoshi all
07:52.56bartoscan i restrict user internet access to be able to watch www only in one exact domain?
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07:54.06shastryis there any wiki or some howto for setting up zope and plone on debian ?
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07:55.32cydorkbartos: well i think you can do that with iptables or some proxy too. but somebody might have better idea :P
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07:56.29dwu_how did i lose my cdrom after udev?
07:56.33dwu_that is totally dumb.
07:57.17TraceGreenhello, when i run grub-install /dev/hda --root-directory=/mnt/hda2, grub install well, but if i change "/mnt/hda2" to /mnt/hda2/hello, grub told me stage1 can not read correctly, my hda2 is mounted to /mnt/hda2
07:57.44bartoscydork, can i run proxy server lolclly and pass all trafic through local proxy?
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07:58.58dwu_TraceGreen: if its mounted to /mnt/hda2 and you try to install in hello it will not work of course
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08:00.00TraceGreendwu_, so, --root-directory means root of a partition, but not a directory in this partition?
08:00.32dwu_TraceGreen: yes.
08:00.42dwu_TraceGreen: why would you want to install it there anywas?
08:00.46dwu_you can only install into the root
08:00.57TraceGreendwu_, thanks!
08:01.08TraceGreendwu_, I just want to have a try
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08:01.14dwu_TraceGreen: for no reason?
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08:01.16dwu_TraceGreen: sure
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08:02.39loic_83hi all
08:02.46loic_83who can help me about HAL
08:02.47TraceGreendwu_, but grub-install's manual: install  GRUB images under the directory DIR instead of the root directory, Can't grub install to a subdirectory in a partition?
08:02.52Jabkahow could i check battery kevel  ? in acer laptop
08:03.16dwu_TraceGreen: thats if you mount something there
08:03.24dwu_TraceGreen: in the directory DIR
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08:03.47dwu_TraceGreen: the ROOT of the partition can be mounted anywhere
08:04.05amphiJabka: acpi -b assuming you have acpi support
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08:05.26JabkaNo support for device type: battery
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08:08.19tarzeauso, yes it's there? http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/
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08:08.51amphiJabka: did you try modprobe battery
08:08.52amphi?
08:08.53loic_83PLZ help me with HAL
08:09.13mikeloic_83: whats the prob/
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08:09.18]Gnea[!plz
08:09.19dpkgit has been said that plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it
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08:09.37loic_83hal don't reconize my ide disk
08:09.42loic_83but there mounted
08:09.42SlayerXPloic_83: 1) what does PLZ mean?   2) what does HAL mean?   3) what does either of those have to do with debian?
08:09.47mikeSarge?
08:10.02]Gnea[!ask
08:10.03dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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08:10.11loic_83PLZ== Please
08:10.20loic_83HAL == hardware abstration layer
08:10.31loic_83yes sarge
08:10.44]Gnea[how do you know that hal isn't finding it?
08:11.03mikeloic_83: Have had no probs with debian 4.0
08:11.16loic_83lshal don't show them and in kde i only see the floppy drive
08:11.52loic_83i don't want to use debian 4.0 now, but later
08:12.26mikeloic_83: ok I just found Sarge very dated..
08:12.42loic_83lol, no idea ?
08:13.20]Gnea[loic_83: please paste the output of lshal to the pastebin
08:13.22]Gnea[!pastebin
08:13.22dpkgfrom memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php
08:14.11loic_83there is a lot of line
08:14.46]Gnea[are you going to waste time talking about it or are you going to do it?
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08:15.42]Gnea[you could always just lshal > lshal-output.txt and upload the lshal-output.txt
08:16.04]Gnea[dude, don't dcc me
08:16.05loic_83i send you the output
08:16.10Werdnaconvert: error while loading shared libraries: libMagick.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
08:16.16]Gnea[!tell loic_83 about pastebin
08:16.19cydorkloic_83: does it show up in /proc/partitions ??
08:16.22]Gnea[loic_83: please *READ*
08:16.32loic_83yes the /proc show them
08:16.34loic_83pastbin ??
08:16.51]Gnea[are you illiterate? can't help you if you are...
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08:17.31loic_83i'm reading
08:17.40]Gnea[:)
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08:19.35loic_83http://pastebin.ca/218630
08:19.38loic_83the output
08:19.40cydork!tell Werdna about somebody
08:20.14Werdnaconvert: error while loading shared libraries: libMagick.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory --> I get that when running 'convert'
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08:20.23Werdnaproblem being, there is no libmagick6
08:23.23]Gnea[loic_83: uhm, hal detected your drives
08:23.49loic_83only cdrom but the don't appears in kde anyway
08:24.08]Gnea[loic_83: nope, it found the hard drive too
08:24.28loic_83lol lshal |grep hda show nothing for me
08:24.35]Gnea[loic_83: it's just not showing the device files, probably because you're running an older kernel and because your version of hal is old
08:24.46]Gnea[whatever dude, it found 'em
08:24.49]Gnea[sec, i'll show you
08:24.57cydorkWerdna: check the dependancies for imagemagick
08:25.02loic_83fully updated and kernel 2.6.16.22
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08:25.30loic_83before the update no probleme
08:25.32]Gnea[loic_83: look at line 868 and down
08:26.03]Gnea[lines 868-879 show it
08:26.16Werdnacydork: looks like it wants libmagick9, instead. But I have that.
08:26.32loic_83i see the cdrom but no hard drive
08:27.19]Gnea[dude
08:27.37]Gnea[#
08:27.38]Gnea[<PROTECTED>
08:27.47]Gnea[info.linux.driver = 'ide-disk'  (string
08:27.52]Gnea[what can't you read?
08:28.12]Gnea[AGAIN, your version of hal is old, try upgrading it from backports
08:28.13]Gnea[!backports
08:28.14dpkgsomebody said backports was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>
08:28.17loic_83hal see the ide master controler but not the device attached to this controller
08:28.25]Gnea[yes it does
08:28.29]Gnea['ide-disk'
08:28.42loic_83but why kde don't show them ?
08:28.52]Gnea[i just told you why and how to solve it.
08:29.17cydorkWerdna: check ldd for convert
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08:29.29Werdnacydork: ldd?
08:29.44cydorkWerdna: ldd /usr/bin/convert
08:29.51Werdnaone sec
08:29.58loic_83kernel 2.6.16.22 and fully updated debian :)
08:30.09loic_83no probs about this
08:30.26cydorkloic_83: backports kernel??
08:30.34Werdna<PROTECTED>
08:30.36loic_83ftp.kernel.org
08:30.40Werdnabut still convert: error while loading shared libraries: libMagick.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
08:30.46loic_83but home compiled
08:31.16cydorkWerdna: ls -l /usr/lib/libMagick.so.9 :P
08:31.16Werdnacydork: I can't see any dependency there for .6
08:31.28Werdnalrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2006-10-24 18:29 /usr/lib/libMagick.so.9 -> libMagick.so.9.0.0
08:31.39luciawho know that direct-fb use 720x480 screen...
08:31.58luciasomebody help me :$
08:32.12Werdna~tell lucia about somebody
08:32.30cydorkWerdna: which convert
08:32.44Werdnaahhhh
08:32.49Werdnahitting /usr/bin/convert works
08:32.50luciaWerdna, what what means? :)
08:32.58Werdnaso where's the other convert? :S
08:33.01Werdnalucia: :-)
08:33.05lucia:)
08:33.13loic_83cydork, no idea ?
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08:33.32Werdna/usr/local/bin/convert
08:33.38cydorkWerdna: damn you :)
08:33.39wols_!tell lucia about smart questions
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08:33.51Werdnacydork: hmmm?
08:33.58lucia/tell?
08:34.00Werdnaouchypoo
08:34.15loic_83cydork: no more idea ?
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08:34.19Werdna!slap cydork
08:34.20wols_Werdna: /usr/local means you installed it yourself, ignoring the package system
08:34.27Werdnawols_: hmmm
08:34.31wols_Werdna: so you deserved the stab and more
08:34.36wlnetwhich version of flash is youtube and googlevideo using? with mplayer and firefox, i get pictures without sound.
08:34.48WerdnaI guess I'll mv the /usr/local/bin/convert, then
08:34.53wols_wlnet: does sound in firefox work?
08:35.01cydorkWerdna: just change the paths.
08:35.23wlnetwols_: it works when i stream other sites.
08:35.27wols_lucia: dpkg msged you. read the url it gave you. learn it, follow it
08:35.37cydorkloic_83: i really dont know why it doesn't show up in kde :)
08:36.33]Gnea[loic_83: whoops, there is no backported hal. you could upgrade to etch if it really matters
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08:37.37]Gnea[cydork: it doesn't show up because his version of hal is out of date
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08:38.22Werdnanote to self: don't reboot a proxy server you're running IRC off
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08:38.29Werdnaerm, that you're using IRC through
08:38.30loic_83but etch is still in unstable version no ??
08:38.33cydork]Gnea[: hmm oh ok.
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08:39.03cydorkloic_83: nope etch is testing.
08:39.18loic_83ok i will upgrade to etch
08:39.20wols_loic_83: sid is unstable and always will be. always and forever
08:39.28loic_83lol
08:39.46ikorits true
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08:41.02wlnetno one here knows which version of flash is youtube and googlevideo using?
08:41.02loic_83can send me a valid sources.list for etch please
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08:42.43ikorwlnet: i watch them with flash7
08:42.58loic_83cydork: ca nyou send me your sources.list please for upgrade to etch
08:43.23Werdnaloic_83: add deb http://ftp.us.debian.org etch main non-free contrib newline deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org etch main non-free contrib to your sources.list
08:43.23wlnetikor: which player and browser?
08:43.32loic_83thx
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08:44.12ikorwlnet: afair flashplayer is from distro, browser -- FF1.5
08:44.33loic_83cydork: and for security update ?
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08:46.02wlnetikor: i m using mplayer and firefox with mplayerplug-in, i get pictures without sound. you get sound?
08:46.35loic_83thx to all bye
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08:47.02ikorwlnet: yep.
08:47.30wlnetikor: i assume u r using debian?
08:48.36ikorwlnet: yep.
08:49.02wlnetikor: the flashplayer is from debian?
08:51.10ikorwlnet: yep.
08:51.41ikorwlnet: flashplugin-nonfree
08:52.03wlnetikor: thks, i'll get hold of that.
08:52.33wlnetikor: u r using sarge or etch?
08:52.38wlnetor sid?
08:53.33ikorsid
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08:54.43liablecdrecord, k3b, gnome baker
08:54.47liableplus others
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08:56.44Knight_LordI remember there existing some package to do it but i don't remember the name
08:56.44polarb3arHey guys when I try to start SNMPD I get the following: Starting network management services:Bad user id: snmp any ideas why?
08:56.46liableupdate-rc.d
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08:57.16Knight_LordAnd is there any graphical frontend?
08:57.26liablehrm
08:57.29liable!services
08:57.30dpkgfrom memory, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
08:57.42dondelelcaroKnight_Lord: not worth mentioning; using update-rc.d or mv is the way to go.
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08:58.06Knight_Lorddondelelcaro i know a former RH user who wouldn't agree that's why i'm asking
08:58.23Knight_Lordbut thanks for the help :-)
08:59.07normalI'm about to download the netinstall and was wondering if ia64 is right for my athlon x2 4200, and if there's a good reason to get it versus i386.....?
08:59.17dondelelcaronormal: ia64 isn't for that chip
08:59.26normalso I should get the 386?
08:59.30Knight_Lordnormal you want at most amd64
08:59.30wols_polarb3ar: it might try to switch to a user to run as this user but the user doesn't exist?
08:59.41Knight_Lordnormal and i'm not sure if you want it anyway
08:59.45dondelelcaronormal: yes
08:59.52normalalrighty, thanks guys!
08:59.54wols_normal: 386 is right for you yes
09:00.06liablenormal: unless you have a real excuse to use 64, get the 386
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09:00.38]Gnea[normal: ia64 is the itanium 64bit, which is a totally different cpu architecture than amd64 (aka x86_64)
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09:03.17dondelelcaro]Gnea[: if it isn't posting then, you've almost certainly got a buggy firmware, or something else is bad...
09:03.23dondelelcaro]Gnea[: time to RMA?
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09:11.22gaspodeHello all. I'm trying to add a DNS server to my nameservers on my sarge box. I've tried adding it to the resolv.conf file - but this gets overwritten when I restart the networking. I've tried to follow this guide to changing dhclient settings, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7239 with no joy. I've tried changing the DNS servers that my DHCP serves up on my DHCP server, but the debian box doesn't seem to pick up the changes on
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09:13.27Foxgaspode: did you look at /etc/network/interfaces ?
09:14.07liablegaspode: can you paste your dhclient.conf on a paster?
09:15.53gaspodeFox: yes - I have eth0 set up as dhcp
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09:16.54gaspodeliable: it is currently empty - but I put in the following line to try to add a new DNS server
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09:17.23gaspodeliable: append domain-name-servers <<the IP address>>;
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09:18.16gaspodeliable: which looked correct looking at the dhclient.conf man pages
09:18.19liablegaspode: did you delete the original or something?
09:18.46gaspodeliable: nope - when i say empty, I mean it is all commented out, as it comes out of the box
09:19.05gaspodeliable: sorry - slightly misleading
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09:19.36liablegaspode: why not just uncomment the necessary lines in the 'lease' section?
09:20.12gaspodeliable: will try
09:20.35liablegaspode: see also the section where it says 'request', it asks for the name servers, maybe you could remove that option
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09:23.34FalscherHasehi. i've installed the package 'tclxml', but it contains only files in /usr/share/doc. bug or feature?
09:24.09gaspodeliable: OK - I've uncommented the lease { and the corresponding }
09:24.25gaspodeliable: also the interface bit and adde in an append domain-name-servers
09:25.03gaspodeliable: about to restart the networking - if i get disconnected it didn't work :-)
09:25.19liableok
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09:26.08gaspodeliable: ah - i just noticed the option domain-name-servers - do you know the difference between that and append?
09:26.52liablegaspode: i guess the option one includes only those, and the append adds to the others
09:27.39gaspodeliable: according to the man page supersede does that
09:28.11gaspodeliable: using append
09:28.22liablegaspode: play with it and come back and tell me which worked :)
09:28.57liablegaspode: i rarely use dhclient, i am only reading the man page and conf myself, i dont really have much knowledge of its internals
09:29.07gaspodeliable: ah - OK
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09:34.13gaspodeliable: do you know: if I get it right will it change the resolv.conf file to reflect the changes?
09:34.34FalscherHasemmh. if i try to build tclxml-3.1 from source, everything is built in debian/tmp correctly, but those files don't end up in the .deb file. how can i fix that?
09:34.41liablegaspode: if you get a new lease it should.
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09:42.47streunerFalscherHase: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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09:44.41streunerFalscherHase: what's the reason you don't just use a debian package?
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09:46.07FalscherHasestreuner: that's what i wrote above: the debian package has the same packaging error. it has only files in /usr/share/doc
09:46.36streunerFalscherHase: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
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09:47.32FalscherHaseit's 2.3.6.ds1-4 from testing. what does that have to do with dpkg-buildpackage?
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09:48.03streunerwell, did you already find something in BTS?
09:48.06streunerabout
09:49.11FalscherHasestreuner: no, and i'd like to fix it and report it
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09:52.45cydorkFalscherHase: which version of debian are you using?
09:53.41FalscherHasecydork: testing/unstable, with priority on testing
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09:54.53GuerinFalscherHase: there is a file in the source package which controls which files end up in the package; edit that
09:55.00GuerinFalscherHase: i can't tell you which it is, I'm sorry
09:55.12GuerinFalscherHase: filing a bug against this is trivial enough, though.
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09:55.42cydorkFalscherHase: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=275734 is this your problem??
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09:56.12dpkgDONE:#275734:S[tclxml] tclxml_3.0-5(ia64/unstable): FTBFS: "no targets specified"; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:33:02 UTC
09:56.42FalscherHasecydork: no, the build runs cleanly and the package is built without error messages.
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09:57.37gaspodeliable: didn't work :-( - my dhclient.conf is here: http://pastebin.co.uk/4565 - the DNS server I an trying to add is 72.36.180.123.
09:57.37gaspodeAnybody else have a clue how to add a new DNS server?
09:57.40Guerinum, he did explain the problem quite clearly
09:57.46Gueringaspode: add it to what?
09:57.52cydorkFalscherHase: file a bug then..
09:58.21FalscherHasecydork: yes i'll do that. many thanks anyway
09:58.59gaspodeGuerin: my debian box. I tried to add it to my resolv.conf but it gets overridden. Adding it to my DHCP server settings does not make a change to my debian box when i restart networking
09:59.18streunerFalscherHase: /msg dpkg mg
09:59.40gaspodeGuerin: I'm DHCP - if there is a way to add it and stay DHCP it'd be good. if I *have* to go ststic I can
09:59.49gaspode*static
09:59.50streunerFalscherHase: also /msg dpkg mentors
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10:00.06liablegaspode: i dont like the way you have commas and no spaces.
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10:00.44liablegaspode: though it prolly doesnt matter at all
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10:01.02Gueringaspode: !fixresolvconf
10:01.06Guerinbeh
10:01.11Guerin!fixresolvconf
10:01.12dpkgISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently)  a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf
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10:07.01gaspodeGuerin: the first suggestion looks a little severe! I'd rather try a more graceful method. I've been trying to edit the dhclient.conf but I can't get it to make a difference. I tried resolvconf before but equally, it doesn't seem to change anything :-(
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10:08.56azeemin comparison to hand-edit /etc/resolv.conf all the time?
10:08.57liablegaspode: check out resolvconf package too, your dhclient.conf is different to mine, few less options (i have dhcp3client)
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10:09.40rannHi all, does Debian have an End-of-life for its releases?
10:09.43chkbsdi usw debian testing and have installed gimp-print and guten-rpint
10:09.47lunitikazeem: yes.... figuring out a dir structure, learning a new layout of files etc... more complicated
10:09.55chkbsdbut cupsys cant find the drivers, whast to do?
10:10.07chkbsd/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/driver/gimp-print.xml is not existing, etc
10:10.22azeemrann: yes
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10:10.38rannazeem: where can i find this info?
10:10.44azeemrann: roughly one year after the next stable release or when the second-next stable release happens, whichever is first
10:10.54liablehaha
10:10.57azeemsometimes, EOL is pushed back a bit, if there is high demand
10:11.04liablewhichever is first, very funny :P
10:11.06rannok, isee
10:11.30azeemrann: so, woody has been EOL'd this spring/summer I think
10:11.39azeemand sarge will be supported for at least another year
10:11.51gaspodeazeem: if i edit my resolv.conf to add a new DNS and don't restart networking (or run dhclient) should that DNS be picked up when doinf resolution from then on?
10:11.56azeemlunitik: why should they?  It is the security team who do
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10:12.00rannok thanks
10:12.05liablegaspode: yes
10:12.08chkbsdhu? why only foomatics drivers available in cupsys?
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10:12.53nekostarmm
10:13.01gaspodeah - well that's a start...
10:13.02nekostari keep getting out of scan range when i try to use startx
10:13.11nekostardid a server install +x-window-system-core
10:13.17lunitikazeem: umm... security team isn't comprised of devels? hmm
10:13.18nekostarwhat could i be forgetting ?
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10:13.30azeemlunitik: it is, but not vice-versa
10:13.34azeemwhich you seemed to imply
10:14.14azeemobviously, the security team pays attention to oldstable, otherwise they would EOL it
10:14.16RichiHgah, pine needs a way to send with :wq instead of ctrl x y
10:14.48azeemRichiH: patch it :P
10:14.51lunitikRichiH: hah
10:15.21Trewasas an emacs user the pine sending is usually done with ctrl-x ctrl-s <damn> ctrl-q ctrl-x y
10:16.19Trewasthe first part saves the file in emacs, but ctrl-s locks the console which ctlr-q releases :)
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10:17.15nekostararg
10:17.17RichiHazeem: i will more likely replace it with mutt at some point
10:17.26nekostari need ultra minimimal X system
10:17.38nekostarwhat do i need besides gdm and x-window-system-core ?
10:17.45pelzi_a wm
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10:17.49nekostargot flux
10:17.51pelzi_and apps
10:17.52lunitiknekostar: you don't _need_ gdm
10:17.59pelzi_yep.
10:18.00nekostarbut when i do startx i get out of scan range
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10:18.11nekostartho i already tried using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
10:18.17pelzi_I have no dm in my toilet pc
10:18.24nekostar*though
10:18.37pelzi_that is a conf issue
10:18.40lunitikpelzi_: magazine-ng?
10:18.42nekostaric
10:18.50nekostarwhat could i be forgetting here pelzi_  ?
10:19.01pelzi_yup
10:19.03chkbsdguys, come on ... why cupssys cant use the guten-print/gimp-print drivers? whats to do?
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10:19.04nekostardo i need to make a .xconfig file of some sort in ~/ ?
10:19.10pelzi_toilet-irc.
10:19.22pelzi_and toilet-wikipedia/google
10:19.26nekostarheh
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10:19.44nekostari'd give u a cookie for help !_!
10:19.48lunitik!tell chkbsd about smart questions
10:19.54nekostari just cant figure what i could have forgotten...
10:19.59nekostarusing vesa driver atm
10:20.16lunitiknekostar: that is likely why you're getting out of range issues
10:20.28cydorknekostar: which card do you have?
10:20.29pelzi_fix xorg config, disable DDC
10:20.45pelzi_try 640x480
10:20.50Werdna!tell swishyswashy about smart questions
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10:22.52nekostaroic
10:22.56nekostarnvidia fx5200
10:23.06nekostarbut i seem to be having trouble with the repositories or something
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10:23.13nekostarno nvidia-glx for etch atm ?
10:23.19cydorknekostar: nope
10:23.24nekostarer///
10:23.34nekostarso whaddam i to do ?
10:23.34lunitik!why isn't nvidia-glx in etch?
10:23.41cydorknekostar: you can try with just nv
10:23.44nekostarkay
10:23.45cydork!etch nvidia
10:23.45dpkgAs of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from  http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7.
10:24.16lunitik!why isn't nvidia-glx in etch
10:24.24lunitik!botslap
10:24.25dpkg:(
10:24.32lunitikThat works for abrotman  :(
10:24.47lunitikBot doesn't like me  </3
10:24.53liablelunitik: s/etch/testing/
10:25.00liable!etch nvidia
10:25.01dpkgAs of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from  http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7.
10:25.05lunitikliable: oh...
10:25.16cydork!why is nvidia-glx not in testing
10:25.17dpkgnvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx
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10:26.09nekostarmmm
10:26.14nekostarno nv did not fix anything.
10:26.14SergiOOi have problem with my debian servr , after reboot i can ping anything :((( i run named on my box
10:26.26nekostarbut with fluxbox dont i neeed to make some config file in my /home/user dir ?
10:26.31SergiOOping: unknown host www.google.com
10:26.36SergiOOwhat to do?
10:26.44lunitiknekostar: you don't _need_ to ... no
10:26.47nekostarSergiOO: did you configure eth0 correctly ?
10:26.48nekostarmm
10:26.52liableSergiOO: can you ping the router?
10:26.53petemcSergiOO: you run a local nameserver?
10:26.56nekostarim out of options it seems lunitik
10:26.59SergiOOyes i run named
10:27.03SergiOOlocal and its working fine
10:27.04psychoslavehello!
10:27.10SergiOObut power gone and :) reboot
10:27.12lunitiknekostar: what is currently wrong? I'm not following really
10:27.12petemcSergiOO: it doesnt seem to be working...
10:27.17SergiOOnow nothing is working :)
10:27.29SergiOOyes after reboot i cant ping anything
10:27.34nekostarwell
10:27.38nekostari did server etch install
10:27.45lunitik!enter
10:27.46dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying.  Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line.  (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.)
10:27.47nekostarinstalled x-window-system-core
10:27.55nekostarmm couple other minor apps like irssi
10:28.00SergiOOeth0 is configured ok
10:28.07SergiOOnamed is running
10:28.13nekostarcant do my nvidia one liner but got alsa working
10:28.17nekostarand i'm stuck
10:28.22SergiOOin etc/resolv i put my nameserver ip
10:28.23nekostari cant get X to work
10:28.32nekostareven tho i got xorg configged good i think
10:28.57cydorknekostar: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
10:29.13SergiOOi have error rndc connection refused??
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10:32.27nekostaro.o
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10:33.08nekostarkay now i got X
10:33.35nekostarfor some reason my xorg.conf was missing
10:33.42nekostarand it wouldnt write a new one
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10:35.58nekostarmmm
10:36.05nekostari think i should have just gone with gnome-core
10:36.06nekostarsigh.
10:36.58cydorknekostar: why what's wrong with fluxbox?
10:37.07nekostar±mm
10:37.11nekostaractually im in icewm atm
10:37.12nekostarbrb
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10:38.18nekostarah
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10:38.25nekostartaking out icewm flux starts with startx now
10:38.28nekostarawesome~!
10:38.38nekostarok restarting :3 brb!!
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10:40.37axa-axaCan someone please tell me how can I make "AltGr" key work as regular (left) "Alt" key?
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10:41.16dondelelcaroaxa-axa: use xmodmap to turn it into a regular alt key
10:41.20dondelelcaro(whatever that means)
10:41.38dondelelcaroaxa-axa: use xev if you aren't sure which keycode it sends; man xmodmap for further details
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10:41.52nekostaryey ok in X in flux
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10:42.17axa-axaOh forgot to tell, I need that for use in terminal console.
10:42.54axa-axadondelelcaro: will 'xmodmap' work in console (without X running) also?
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10:43.24nekostarmmmmmmmmmmm yeah somehow dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not make a new one
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10:55.56tzikuhello, please tell me a good back-up utility. (i want to backup som files then to put on a ftp server).
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10:56.55nekostararg
10:57.02nekostarwhat's that nvidia etch thing again?
10:57.53vickytziku: for files I use rdiff-backup (incremental backups with rsync)
10:58.26petemcaol!
10:58.40tzikuthanks
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10:59.22nekostarthis is borked :/
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11:03.13tzikuany posibility to restrict winSCP connection on my server ?
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11:03.50septziku, winscp is just a scp/sftp client, so just restrict ssh or sftp and your all set
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11:04.02tarzeau!popcon
11:04.02dpkgrumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
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11:04.55kupoheya
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11:05.35kupoanyone know the best way to prepare a frozen bagel?
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11:05.58_davhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/4196
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11:06.15_davI have a problem with virtual packages blocking my install of mysql under ubuntu.. can anyone help?
11:06.32_davI don't understand how to resolve virtual package problems
11:06.38cydork_dav: ask #ubuntu then..
11:06.50_davI have :-/ didn't think it was specific to ubuntu..
11:07.05tarzeau_dav: that doesn't matter
11:07.09cydork_dav: well it is.. so we cant help you..
11:07.10tarzeau_dav: you have ubuntu
11:07.20tzikuRTFT
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11:07.43_davalright, sorry..
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11:07.52tarzeau_dav: even if different manufacturers of waterboilers boil the water the same way, you go to the one you have it from
11:08.08kupohey guys...
11:08.14MammutHi, my server fall down because of an powerloss. Now I get the hole Time ReiserFS data error. How can I repair the reiserFS?
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11:08.24kupodist-upgrade killed everything
11:08.29tarzeauMammut: hehe
11:08.34kuponow I'm just getting kernal panic
11:08.48tarzeau!reiserfs
11:08.49dpkgsomebody said reiserfs was a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features.  See http://www.namesys.com.  It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash.  As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser.  See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: goverment-sponsered, highly scienctific and secretive.
11:09.09kupois that because grub isnt seeing the kernal image or perhaps i don't have idea support compiled in?
11:09.12tarzeau!tell kupo about sid faq
11:09.34Mammuttarzeau, not sooo funny but shit happens here in russia, and every Week we have no power....
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11:09.49Knorrieget an ups?
11:09.56cydorkMammut: then dont use reiserfs :)
11:10.00kupotarzeau: I would gladly read it if i had X working
11:10.07tarzeaukupo: try links2 -g
11:10.10kupough
11:10.12tarzeaukupo: it can render graphics without X
11:10.36kupoi guess you couldnt just tell me what unspoken rule I've broken this time?
11:10.54Mammutcydork, Its a backupserver and the performance is much better with reiserFS
11:11.13cydorkMammut: but it also needs stabilty :P
11:11.46Mammutcydork, right but normally i have UPS
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11:24.26delire#cups is dead. can anyone else reccomend a good channel for printer woes?
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11:25.24pelzi_no, just suffer (printing is painful)
11:25.40klikklakhi, I'm having trouble setting up my rt61 wlan card.  More specifically I've set it up as managed and tried running dhclient ra0 on it, but it doesn't get dhcp from my linksys (fon prog) router
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11:26.55delirepelzi_: yes, like tattooing but without the pretty pictures.
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11:32.24lanchowlame isn't in debian package ? i'd need libmp3lame.so for audacity
11:32.36wols_!lame
11:32.37dpkgfrom memory, lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs.  Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'.  Get .debs from  <marillat> or <rarewares>
11:32.59wols_lanchow: patent issues
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11:35.44tzikuhow can i install a .deb package ?
11:35.58pelzi_dpkg
11:36.08lanchow!marillat
11:36.08dpkgwell, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/)  Edit sources.list and change to the new location.
11:36.12tzikudpkg install some.deb ?
11:36.21pelzi_man.
11:36.27Ronintziku: man apt
11:36.38Roninor man dpkg
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11:37.48tralalatziku, you rearly need to install _only_ one package. For the common way of installing debian software see apt-get,aptitude,synaptic
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11:38.31tzikui can't find microdc in apt-cache list...
11:40.06riotwhat good log-monitor would you suggest? shall be simple to configure and should have a nice (text-console, for within ion) frontend.
11:40.33pelzi_tail
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11:40.47tralalatziku, perhaps it's not in debian
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11:40.58riotyah, i was about to write, that i don't just want to tail | ccze everything - is too noisy.
11:41.02tzikuok thanks :) 1 more question
11:41.06lanchowmerci
11:41.32tzikui have this error when i'm trying to install some packages...: dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `bsmtp' in statusoverride file
11:42.24tralalatziku, contact the package creator and report a bug in the package
11:44.10tralalaof course it's always better to use software that's in debian whenever possible
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11:46.12cosmodadwhere can I ask questions concerning LSB functions such as in /lib/lsb/init-functions? Is this a Debian or LSB issue?
11:46.28petemccosmodad: is it to do with dbmail?
11:46.38cosmodadpetemc: I don't think so
11:46.43petemcoh, nevermind then
11:46.53cosmodadpetemc: it's a function related to start-stop-daemon which I believe might be buggy but I'm not sure
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11:47.27tzikui need a DC (HUB) bot who can join on hubs and put some share...
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11:47.46petemctziku: try #warez
11:47.55tzikuis not warez
11:48.10phoggtziku: I don't think any are packaged by debian
11:48.22gebruikerI want samba to share every home dir, and the account name of those usernames(homedirs) have to be the same as on the linux system. How do I do that?
11:48.36tzikui want to make a bot for my hubs with all free distribution of linux.
11:48.45tralalagebruiker, the easiest way is by reading the samba docs
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11:50.34phoggtziku: you could probably use libdc and write one
11:50.54tzikuoh...ok thanks i will try google :D
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11:53.10SomeONERi have 3 routes in route -n how can i erase second route?
11:53.35tzikuI have this error for all new packages: dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `bsmtp' in statusoverride file ; E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
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11:54.30tralalaSomeONER, why?
11:55.01NuBusapple store back up - it's a new USB cable!
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11:57.10NuBus"SAN FRANCISCO - October 24, 2006--Apple® today introduced the new iUSB USB Cable, now the world's thinnest USB cable using apple shielding technology to let iPods connect to even more digital devices. Nearly half the size and weight of a regular USB cable, the iUSB weighs just 2 grams for a four foot length, and features Apple's award winning design, with glossy new endcaps with antiscratch coating."
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11:59.35wols_NuBus: this is real?
11:59.58liableooohh, aaahh, shiny end caps
12:00.01NuBusnah... I'm just being daft.
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12:00.43liableNuBus: quick, patent it, for they surely will do it if they see these irc logs
12:00.50tzikuhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/4197
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12:01.34NuBus:). actually the store's down and I meant to dump that in another channel to prod all the apple store site-refreshers. apologies
12:02.03tralalait looks like a bug
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12:02.34IndridColdhey guys
12:02.42IndridColdanyone here good with samba ?
12:02.57tralala!anyone
12:02.58dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
12:03.07IndridColdlol
12:03.13tralala!lol
12:03.13dpkgIf you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
12:03.18liableIndridCold: most sane people try and avoid it if at all possible
12:03.48IndridColdWell what alternative solutions are there for file sharing between multiple platforms (Mac, Windows, Linux etc) ?
12:04.03IndridColdbut i do know what you mean
12:04.08IndridColdIt's proper nasty
12:04.17liableIndridCold: swat may make your samba configuration easier, take a look at it
12:04.18IndridColdI've been trying to get it to authenticate my windows users for ages now
12:04.27IndridColdI'm using SWAT
12:04.36IndridColdbut it doesn't help me get windows authentication running
12:04.38liableoh, you lose then :P
12:04.50IndridCold:/
12:05.16wols_IndridCold: samba as domainserver?
12:05.17liableIndridCold: there is a #samba channel, dunno how lucky you'll be getting anyone to answer though
12:05.29IndridColdsweet
12:05.46tzikuHelp me please: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4197
12:09.59liabletziku: whats dpkg-statoverride --list say ??
12:10.48tarzeauabrotman damn you where is him
12:11.03tarzeauhttp://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/gnomevskde.txt
12:11.05tzikuhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/paste
12:11.11tzikuhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/4198
12:11.14tzikusorry
12:12.04liabletziku: dunno, i must bebarking up the wrong tree
12:12.07tzikui solve the problem with: dpkg-statoverride --remove /usr/lib/bsmtp/bsmt
12:12.18tzikubut now i have postman instead of bsmtp
12:12.20tralala!qotd0
12:12.20dpkg<jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ?
12:12.48tralaladpkg, good girl!
12:12.48dpkgthanks, tralala
12:13.05liabletziku: okie, so how exactly did you get into this mess from the start?
12:13.47tzikuno after i use: dpkg-statoverride --remove /usr/lib/bsmtp/bsmt you told me to use dpkg-statoverride --list and i show you.
12:14.17IndridColdhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/paste
12:14.22IndridColdany ideas ?
12:14.28liabletziku: but why did you remove the bsmt one to start with? and how did you get into that mess to start with?
12:15.04tralala!any ideas
12:15.11dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a box full of string, a little WD-40, and 42 rabid badgers.  And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours!
12:15.12IndridColdgrrrr
12:15.23IndridCold!grrrr
12:15.34liabletziku: dude, go a little lighter on the bot abuse
12:15.38tzikui don't know :)
12:15.51liableerm..
12:15.54liabletralala: ^^^
12:15.58tzikubot abuse ?
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12:16.10liabletziku: sorry, that comment was ment for tralala
12:16.22tzikuno problem i got the poin
12:16.34tralala!grrr
12:16.34dpkggrrr is, like, you're hungry? :)
12:17.05tralalaliable, wanna say something?! ;)
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12:17.17liableas much as i think your abusing dpkg, that was slightly amusing..
12:17.32liable!factinfo grrr
12:17.32dpkggrrr -- created by andika <~andika@202.152.6.204> at Mon Aug 12 08:54:49 2002 (1534 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by tralala, 58s ago.
12:17.48liableoh, i thought you just made it :/
12:18.17tralalameh, I don't do 0-weight factoids
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12:19.42tralalabut I love to use them
12:19.50liabletziku: so, doing --remove on any of those files does what?
12:19.57liablewe noticed :P
12:20.10tzikui --remove all files and now is working perfectly :D
12:20.25tzikuwith: dpkg-statoverride --remove
12:20.45tralalaespecially when the alternative is to do brain damaging work for arguable benefits
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12:21.24liabletziku: yay
12:22.36tralala!irritate liable
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12:22.38dpkgliable: hi every1 how can I make my knoppix werkz !!!!
12:24.02tralalas/crack/work/
12:24.21liablethere obviously isnt a high work load
12:24.46SomeONERhow can i remove route ? delete route
12:25.10liableSomeONER: man route, theres examples, replace add with del in the examples at the end
12:25.31liableSomeONER: oh, and have a read in between the start and the end :)
12:25.41tralalathe quantity and the quality of the pending taks is demotivating
12:25.48tralalatasks
12:25.56Werdnadpkg, irritate is h1 d00dz!1 1 w@n7 2 b @ 1337 h4x0r 4nd 1337 h4x0rz us3 l1nux!!!!!1111 h0w d0 1 g3t l1nux @nd h0w d00 1 us3 17, d00dz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
12:25.56dpkgis h1 d00dz!1 1 w@n7 2 b @ 1337 h4x0r 4nd 1337 h4x0rz us3 l1nux!!!!!1111 h0w d0 1 g3t l1nux @nd h0w d00 1 us3 17, d00dz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111: Y iz debain so old? who uses gnome lol
12:26.09SomeONERroute add -net 192.56.76.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0
12:26.22Werdnadpkg, irritate is h1 d00dz!1 1 w@n7 2 b @ 1337 h4x0r 4nd 1337 h4x0rz us3 l1nux!!!!!1111 h0w d0 1 g3t l1nux @nd h0w d00 1 us3 17, d00dz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
12:26.22dpkgis h1 d00dz!1 1 w@n7 2 b @ 1337 h4x0r 4nd 1337 h4x0rz us3 l1nux!!!!!1111 h0w d0 1 g3t l1nux @nd h0w d00 1 us3 17, d00dz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111: hi every1 who uses cable kk
12:26.31liableWerdna: dont do that
12:26.41Werdnaliable: I'm trying to give it a new factoid.
12:26.49Werdnathat's got to be the most irritating thing ever :P
12:26.54liableWerdna: thats a good cmd, and yours quite frankly sucks
12:27.13Werdnaliable: :-(
12:27.21tralalaWerdna, your attempts to add it certainly qualifies that way
12:27.23liableWerdna: it has many possible combinations, its not just a simple sentnece
12:27.26WerdnaI spent five minutes converting that to leetspeak :P
12:27.34liableheh
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12:27.43Werdnafive wasted minutes :-(
12:28.00dererk[w]Buenos Dias! / g'Morning
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12:28.57liablehow do you do the literal cmd bit again?
12:29.53Werdnaliteral irritate
12:29.58Werdnadpkg: literal irritate
12:30.08Werdna!literal irritate
12:30.12Werdnadammit
12:30.13liableWerdna: no
12:30.22Werdnaliable: mmm?
12:30.27tralalaWerdna, you'r dpkg skillz suck
12:30.41Werdnatralala: I'm used to perl infobot
12:30.42Werdna:P
12:30.54tralalaso do my typing skillz
12:31.14liable!literal cmd: irritate (.*?)
12:31.14dpkg"cmd: irritate (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> $1: (Y iz debain so old?|wenas|hi every1|is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q?|HELP ME!!!) (who uses (dvd|sound|kde|gnome|cable) (plz msg me, $randnick|hello?|lol|thx|kk|???/|!!!1)|(how does I run teh (mouse|grafixx windows|quake3|edonkey)|where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol|how can I make my (knoppix|mepis|kanotix|libranet|lindows) werkz) (!!!!|?????|lol|kthx|U FUX0RZ))"
12:32.16liablehehe, its quite a piece of work really :)
12:32.19Werdnanice
12:33.24Werdnaleetspeak is God's little joke.
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12:35.13syntaxxim learning iptables do i need to allow in the rules the ftp port to access my apt sources?
12:35.55liablefor incoming?
12:36.04syntaxxliable, yea and outgoing?
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12:37.03klikklaksudo iwlist ra0 scan gives me: ra0       Failed to read scan data : Device or resource busy ... damn, I wish rt61 would just work
12:37.14liablesyntaxx: you have blocked all outgoing ports?
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12:37.33Greek-Boywhat is the command to switch between tty's?
12:37.46tralalachvt
12:37.56syntaxxliable, yeah and allow it or i just need to allow outgoing ports?
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12:39.03liablesyntaxx: just outgoing, though even the ftp one is on http, so it should be port 80
12:39.50liablei think..
12:40.12syntaxxliable, oh ok i thought im having problems because it stop at 47% running apt-get update
12:40.44liablesyntaxx: is it fetching any files at all?
12:40.49syntaxxliable, i turn off the firewall and it still stop at 47%
12:41.40liablesyntaxx: try another mirror
12:41.54syntaxxliable, i dont think so not it says could not connect to ftp.hk.debian.org:80 connection timed out
12:42.57liablesyntaxx: hrm, server is up from here
12:43.02liablesyntaxx: can you ping it?
12:44.38magnus_This is really weird. After a dist-upgrade (debian) I can no longer use my sound card, the correct driver is insmodded and everything, but I cant use the sound card. Is it a known recent problem?
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12:45.10syntaxxliable, hmm.. i dont think so.. it stuck at ping ftp.hk.debian.org 56(84) bytes of data
12:45.29liablesyntaxx: try traceroute
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12:46.29HoxzerDo you guys believe in somehting supernatural?
12:46.47fannesupernatural tits
12:47.17magnus_Hoxzer: no
12:47.18Hoxzeror something that is beyond human understanding
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12:47.28srdjannnnhow to delete fuckin route its sayts not such proces :((((((((((
12:47.43HoxzerJust wondering
12:47.53streunermagnus_: we need more infos about
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12:48.09streunermagnus_: what does 'cat /proc/version' say?
12:48.27liablesrdjannnn: read the man page and substitude bits and pieces till you get it right
12:48.41magnus_magnus@futurestar:~$ cat /proc/version
12:48.41magnus_Linux version 2.6.18-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.18-2) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060920 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-14)) #1 SMP Fri Sep 29 17:39:19 CEST 2006
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12:48.52srdjannnnliable i do that but no helo
12:48.53srdjannnnhelp
12:48.59srdjannnni have these flags
12:48.59streunermagnus_: /j #debian-amd64 and ask there
12:49.04srdjannnn192.168.200.2   -               255.255.255.255 !H        - -          - -
12:49.05syntaxxliable, traceroute shows result weird
12:49.07magnus_thanks
12:49.15srdjannnn!H
12:49.15dpkgh is plank's constant or 6.625*10^-34 J*s. It's also the file extension of header files. (Note that h with crossed bar has 2pi in it...), or hydrogen
12:49.19srdjannnnhow can i delete it
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12:49.32liablesyntaxx: anyway, looks like a hang up in your connection somewhere, try another mirror
12:49.36Greek-Boywhat is a good tool to access tty terminals via vnc?
12:49.42syntaxxliable, ok
12:49.45syntaxx!mirror
12:49.57liablesyntaxx: /msg dpkg mirrors
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12:51.18srdjannnn<PROTECTED>
12:51.21srdjannnnnot workin
12:51.44bbelt16agwho do i got to tell that the  source testing I386 dvd torrent is not working?
12:51.54bbelt16agthat somebody needs to seed one of the torrent???
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12:54.08liablesrdjannnn: try route del -host reject 192.168.200.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 eth0
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12:54.43syntaxxliable, thanks thats definitely a mirror
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12:54.44liablesrdjannnn: if not, drop the -host bit
12:54.52Roninbbelt16ag: must be an email address somewhere on debian.org to contact
12:54.53liablesrdjannnn: cool
12:54.56liablesyntaxx: ^^
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12:55.49srdjannnnwait :)
12:56.03stewbbelt16ag: file a bug against the "debian-installer" virtual package
12:56.06srdjannnnroute del -host reject 192.168.200.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 eth0
12:56.06srdjannnnreject: Unknown host
12:56.48ZinkeldonkOk afbackup from source now working....but I'm still a little confused about the changes I want to make to the Makefile.in and the debian/rules files.
12:57.01stewsrdjannnn: why did you put "reject" in there?
12:57.10srdjannnn<liable> srdjannnn: try route del -host reject 192.168.200.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 eth0
12:57.16srdjannnni just want to erase this route :
12:57.26srdjannnn92.168.200.2   -               255.255.255.255 !H        - -          - -
12:57.29ZinkeldonkThere is the afbackup.....diff.gz file. How does this fit together when I do a "debuild"?
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12:57.33srdjannnnhow can i erase ALL ROUTTING TABLES?
12:57.36srdjannnnal route table?
12:57.57stewsrdjannnn: "ifconfig eth0 down" would delete all of its routing tables
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12:58.13stewsrdjannnn: have you tried just "route del -host 192.168.200.2" ?
12:58.21ZinkeldonkI mean, I modified the diff file to make some changes, but it never used those mod's.
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12:59.46bbelt16aghey are torrent files suppose to look like encryption?? or are they suppose to be readable??
12:59.50bbelt16agthe .torrent file. ....
12:59.53srdjannnn<stew> srdjannnn: "ifconfig eth0 down" would delete all of its routing tables
13:00.11gebruiker!samba
13:00.11srdjannnnnope its still here
13:00.11dpkgsomebody said samba was a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html)
13:00.12srdjannnn<stew> srdjannnn: have you tried just "route del -host 192.168.200.2" ?
13:00.13srdjannnnno such process
13:00.14srdjannnn??
13:00.39stewsrdjannnn: can you put the output of "route -n" and "ifconfig" into a pastebin?
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13:00.41liablesrdjannnn: eth0 at the end
13:00.55stewsrdjannnn: or better yet , the output of "ip a ; ip r"
13:01.33CatoptromancyWhat is difference between kernel-image-2.4.27-27-3-386 and kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386? I am trying to install to a 400mhz and I need a desktop.
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13:01.42srdjannnnestination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
13:01.42srdjannnn192.168.200.2   -               255.255.255.255 !H    0      -        0 -
13:01.42srdjannnn192.168.200.0   0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
13:01.43srdjannnn0.0.0.0         192.168.200.254 0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
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13:01.47srdjannnnosorry :(
13:01.51srdjannnnthat is route -n
13:02.01stewdpkg: tell srdjannnn about paste
13:02.03pelzi_!paste
13:02.03dpkgi guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste
13:02.14possieis there a "iSCSI Initiator" in Debian Sarge repository?
13:02.54srdjannnnhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/4200
13:02.55liablesrdjannnn: what stew said before, but add eth0 to the end of it
13:02.57srdjannnnhere it is
13:03.27srdjannnnhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/4200
13:03.49liableoh, theres no iface for it ?
13:04.15srdjannnn??
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13:04.37NoNaMeNohii
13:04.47srdjannnnliable i dont understand
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13:05.08NoNaMeNodoes somebody knows why "--cmd-owner" from iptables does not work ?
13:05.10liablesrdjannnn: neither do i, hopefully someone else does
13:05.16srdjannnn:)
13:05.22srdjannnn<liable> oh, theres no iface for it ?
13:05.25srdjannnni use eth0
13:05.34stewsrdjannnn: this route is not associated with eth0
13:05.41liablesrdjannnn: yeah, but the route line doesnt show an iface
13:05.43magnus_Solved the problem by going back from 2.6.18 to 2.6.17 (sound card problem)
13:05.43srdjannnnhow can i associete
13:05.55srdjannnnwhat to do now :)
13:06.20srdjannnni see that there is no iface
13:06.28srdjannnn192.168.200.2 is my web machine
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13:06.32srdjannnnso i cant ping it
13:06.52srdjannnnhow can i associate with iface? that route
13:07.23stewsrdjannnn: you can't
13:07.37srdjannnnso what u suggest  :)
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13:08.59stewsrdjannnn: route del -host 192.168.200.2 reject
13:09.27srdjannnnthats itttttttttttttt
13:09.28srdjannnnthat i want
13:09.31srdjannnnOHH TNXXXXXXXXX
13:09.54srdjannnn1000000000000 tnx
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13:14.50liablei wonder how he got that route to start with
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13:18.49Greek-Boylatest debian 2.6 kernel is?
13:19.05liable.18 in sid/etch
13:19.12liable.8 for sarge
13:19.39Greek-Boyuname -r tells me 2.6.8-2-386
13:19.58liableGreek-Boy: upgrade, theres a -3, due security reasons
13:20.41Feaxwhat is the package for do for exemple md5 lol and that say me the md5 encrypt of that ?
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13:26.01FeaxHow can I encode my password in md5 ?
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13:26.53cydorkFeax: which password?
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13:27.33Feaxcydork: a password
13:27.55Feaxcydork: I want a thing like md5 "lol" and that return me the md5 encoding
13:28.18cydorkFeax: man md5sum
13:28.34Feaxcydork: it is for a file not for a word ?
13:28.58cydorkFeax: echo "lol"|md5sum -
13:29.01cydork:)
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13:29.19Feaxdebian:/home/feax/Downloads# echo "lol"|md5sum -
13:29.19Feax-: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
13:30.05Feaxcydork:
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13:30.13cydorkFeax: what does it say? :P
13:30.28Feaxcydork: no file or repertory of this type
13:30.31tralalaecho lol | md5sum
13:30.42Feaxthanks
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13:31.44skooblywhat pop3 server/daemon is Debian preferred? I've been using qpopper because we had a couple of Eudora clients (which are now thunderbird) but I don't think qpopper is the best option.
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13:32.11NoNaMeNobye bye!
13:32.47liablei couldnt understand wtf he was on about when he kept saying lol.. :/
13:32.51sohmestraskoobly: for something really simple, teapop is nice.
13:33.28skooblysohmestra, depends what is simple. 10 clients, 400 messages a day
13:33.33cydorkliable: i had problems too :P
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13:34.20wagner39hi
13:34.20sohmestraskoobly: are you doing any type of fancy authentication? mysql, ldap, etc?
13:34.49skooblysohmestra, no, just authenticating with the server
13:34.53sohmestraskoobly: my guess teapop would do just fine for you.
13:35.06skooblyOK, thanks, I'll take a look at it.
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13:36.33wagner39i must install debian sarge on an AMD X2 64 bit, the System sould run on 64 bit my problem is that i didn't find a kernel
13:36.57wagner39that match
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13:38.16wagner39do you knew any way to install the right kernel and whats the way please help me its realy urgent thanks for your descriptions
13:38.58petemc!tell wagner39 about amd64
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13:39.19tralalawagner39: paste the output of aptitude search ~ikernel-image to rafb.net/paste
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13:42.12liablei cant believe i have never paid attention to the ~ in aptitude
13:43.01tralalaliable: you're welcome
13:43.02petemci dont think its very intuitive
13:43.14liabletralala: pfffft :P
13:43.20tralala:)
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13:43.41liablei guess i have an aversion to actually 'reading' man pages
13:44.30tralalathe _real_ aptitude documentation is not in its man page
13:44.46liableya, it mentions the docs lots
13:45.35liablei dont need to punish myself uneccesarily by reading them :)
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13:46.07tralaladon't make dpkg punish you!
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13:51.32yangi need the package that installs the equivalent to openssl-devel installed
13:52.55abrotmanapt-cache search libssl dev
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13:53.36till^workhi
13:53.38liablefunnily, its libssl-dev
13:54.18till^worki have issues booting from raid-1 (software raid, md) partition. problem is that scsi gets initialized AFTER md autodetect, so autodetect fails
13:54.36till^workthe result is that after each reboot, the array is degraded (that is, one of the two mirrors drops out)
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13:55.45wagner39what kind of kernel shold i use for amd x2 64bit systems i386?
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13:57.29psychoslavehey someone could telle why kino say that I do not have rw rights on /dev/raw1394?
13:57.32liabletill^work: eh, that doesnt really make sense
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13:58.01psychoslave(it works with root)
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13:58.21liablepsychoslave: sounds like you need to be added to a group, dunno which it would be for that dev though
13:58.23till^workliable: yeah, it doesnt, thats the problem
13:58.25tralalapsychoslave, because you don't have rw rights
13:58.32psychoslaveand my user is in the good group
13:58.55earthianhello, could anybody help me setup a local mountpoint to a remote ftp site using lufs ?
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13:59.17earthiannow i get "Operation not permitted" while opening the mountpoint... :
13:59.19psychoslavein fact I even tried to chown and chmod 777
13:59.25liablepsychoslave: whats the group perms on the dev?
13:59.47liablepsychoslave: have you logged out since becoming a member of the group?
13:59.51earthian!lufs
13:59.52dpkgsomebody said lufs was a hybrid userspace file system framework, which allows you to mount into your file hierarchy a remote computer's file system, which is accessible by various means (ftp, ssh, etc.).  See http://lufs.sourceforge.net/lufs/, or apt-cache show lufs-{source,utils}
13:59.54douglaswhoever nickserv thinks douglas is seems to have moved on in life... will i ever be able to own the nick or what
14:00.04douglasi hate having the zero in my name, i'm just not that elite.
14:00.14psychoslaveliable, ha no, you right
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14:00.32liabledouglas: ask in #freenode
14:00.36douglasall right
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14:01.02tralaladouglas, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
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14:01.29psychoslavewell I don't remember for right, it wasn't tipycal, something like 4701
14:01.32liabletill^work: you have the md stuff in the initrd?
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14:01.50till^workliable: the modules, yeah
14:02.04till^worki also tried compiling md and scsi statically into the kernel
14:02.06till^workdidnt help
14:02.10liabletill^work: i take it you have just made the array?
14:02.15liableoh
14:02.18till^worksure the array works alright
14:02.19ShAnyone know how I fix my soundproblem? After installing Debian Etch, I used it for 3 days, and now I restarted the computer. Now it's no sound at all, and it worked perfectly well right before I restarted...
14:02.29till^worki just have to hotadd a drive after each reboot to resync it
14:02.46liabletill^work: and the drives are in mdadm.conf ?
14:03.00psychoslavesh have you checked the sound wasn't mute?
14:03.10ShIt isn't..
14:03.14earthianany idea what could cause a root not to have access to a remote ftp *successfully mounted* direcotory in the local filesystem ???
14:03.15psychoslavetry alsamixer
14:03.19till^workliable: no, they are not
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14:03.25till^workshould they?
14:03.31SPOPPOsup?
14:03.42liableSh: did you just upgrade the kernel? someone just said before there sound stopped with the 2.6.18
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14:03.59locushi, anyone know in which header file AF_LINK is defined?
14:04.19ShYeah, I updated it, but since madwifi won't work in the new one, I'm in an older verson..
14:04.32psychoslaveliable, in fact yeah, I did log out since i'm member of the group
14:04.39douglastralala: #freenode/#freenode-social is +m.. the faq says to ask a staffer about the expired nick thing. Where can I do that?
14:04.41*** part/#debian wagner39 (n=wagner@193.154.220.55)
14:04.42tralalalocus, grep -r AF_LINK /usr/include/
14:05.00locustralala, yes, I know but its not there on my system.
14:05.07liabletill^work: well, i actually know fuck all about mdadm, cause i built it during install and i havent had to mess with it at all really, but yeah, mine are in it
14:05.09till^workliable: nothing that is executed during boot would read mdadm.conf
14:05.16tralaladouglas, the faq also explains how a staffer can be contacted
14:05.16locustralala, if I knew the file I can search for the corresponding packag
14:05.24douglasall right nice.
14:05.27liabletill^work: um, i think the mdadm init script reads it
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14:06.54Ronind0uglas: its +m but iirc you idle for a bit then you get voiced
14:06.55tralalalocus, check the dependencies of whatever you're trying to compile and install the coresponding -dev packages
14:07.30till^workat the time the mdadm-raid init script is run, its too late already
14:07.35liablepsychoslave: which group is it?
14:07.35locustralala, it's a custom c code, not a source package
14:07.53d0uglasRonin: all right, i'll switch my nick to plus_v_pls
14:07.55*** part/#debian d0uglas (i=0d6bc6ef@69.72.153.122)
14:08.11liabletill^work: theres also the partition type that can effect it. are yours 83 or the raid one?
14:08.19till^workFD, the raid one
14:08.40liabletill^work: ok, you've exhausted my knowledge base :)
14:08.44till^workwell
14:08.49till^workthanks for your time anyways :)
14:08.50tralalalocus, hmm, are you sure that what you're doing is legal?
14:08.50Shadowcatliable: that's not hard to do
14:08.51Greek-Boyliable won't my 2.6.8-2-386 kernel be ok if i just do security updates with apt-get instead of upgrading the whole kernel?
14:08.51Shadowcat:P
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14:09.53psychoslaveliable, disk
14:10.15*** part/#debian AB_LiNuX (n=TEKKEN@SE400.PPPoE-1498.sa.bih.net.ba)
14:10.15liablebastard didnt even give me time to abuse him
14:10.31tralalacoward!
14:10.39liableGreek-Boy: no, its a root exploit in the kernel itself
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14:11.07locustralala, legal in what sense? I'm about to port a small c program from OpenBSD to Debian.
14:11.17liablepsychoslave: eh? i dont think thats the group you need for 1394
14:11.22pelzi_well...
14:11.32pelzi_if it is BSD you have to try to do it illegally
14:11.50tralalalocus, in sense: "are you trying to compile an exploit?"
14:12.09psychoslaveliable, hey I didn't change it
14:12.10LifeStragleri got a quick question. I just installed a server including apache2, mysql, php from the netinst CD so thats all thats installed. now im preaty sure that i need a email server so the webserver can send emails when mbr's register on website (confirmation email). whas wondering what I should install.
14:12.16earthianhmm... is it possible to mount a ftp with FUSE instead of LUFS ? :S
14:12.20earthian!fuse
14:12.20dpkg[fuse] at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels.
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14:12.40psychoslaveliable, I also thought it should be video
14:12.42liablepsychoslave: the disk group is a very low level group that ordinary users shouldnt really be in
14:12.44pelzi_afaik fuse has an ftpfs thingy
14:12.55liablepsychoslave: video sounds more like it, or camera
14:13.00tuxedupquick question about the mailing lists, if I want to reply to a message, do I sent it just to mailinglistname@lists.debian.org or do I reply to the name in the adresses?
14:13.30locustralala, no :) its a small program that controls a 2-line lcd screen and two buttons attached to a serial line.
14:13.44psychoslaveliable, but when I plug in my camera, it come back to this configuration...
14:13.54abrotmanLifeStragler: exim is already installed .. set it up as a smarthost .. use your real smtp server (or use nullmailer)
14:13.55psychoslavecan I change that somewhere?
14:14.07tralalalocus, hmm... do you have the kernel-headers?
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14:14.25LifeStraglerhow do i use null host?
14:14.56liablepsychoslave: whats dmesg say when you plug it in, /dev/1394 isnt the dev you should be trying to access..
14:15.07LifeStraglernullmailer*
14:15.14locustralala, yes, they are installed
14:15.24tralalalocus, did you grep them?
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14:15.56psychoslaveliable, well I don't know, I'm not at home right now, and I do not have internet at home
14:16.36abrotman!nullmailer
14:16.36liablepsychoslave: ok, well see what dmesg says about it, if it doesnt say its on sda or something, you prolly need gphoto2
14:16.36dpkgrumour has it, nullmailer is a minimal mta for hosts which just send directly to smart relays and is at http://em.ca/~bruceg/nullmailer/
14:16.43abrotmanit's a package too
14:16.44locustralala, just did, nothing there
14:16.57LifeStragleroh so just install it.
14:17.18liablepsychoslave: what kind of camera?
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14:17.48tralalalocus, when you try to compile don't you get messages for missing header files?
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14:17.53liablepsychoslave: do you live in a cave? no internet at home!
14:17.54duboisflash9 beta for linux is great. anyone try it yet?
14:17.58liablepsychoslave: :P
14:18.40psychoslaveliable, I'm waiting that my provider send me my box and all that
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14:19.00liablepsychoslave: what camera manufacturer?
14:19.07psychoslavedubois, are you trying to launch a troll? :)
14:19.13psychoslaveliable, sony
14:19.14Greek-Boydamn
14:19.16toratondubois, Yeah, it's really slow when you get more than one app per page
14:19.25Greek-Boyi've never done a kernel upgrade before :(
14:19.32Greek-Boyhope its not a big procedure
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14:20.07liablepsychoslave: my bet is that you need gphoto2 to access it, and be in camera group
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14:20.26liablepsychoslave: some cameras dont act as usb storage devices
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14:20.48duboistoraton: dont get you.
14:20.50psychoslaveliable, I don't know, I can use it with root privilegies
14:21.09toratondubois, On pages with more than one flash applet, the new plugin is very slow.
14:21.15liablepsychoslave: what do you mean by use it?
14:21.46duboistoranto: is there a way to change the screen size of flash9 streaming video?
14:21.53toratontoranto?!
14:22.02locustralala, well thanks for the help, I'm commenting out the whole block for now
14:22.04toratonAnd I have no idea.
14:22.32psychoslaveliable, well I can record my videos
14:22.48psychoslaveliable, on the hard drive I mean
14:23.08liablepsychoslave: oh, so video.. make sure your in video group
14:23.50liablei thought you meant photo
14:24.52jetscreamer!compiz
14:24.53dpkgi guess compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.
14:25.09liablesometimes.. :)
14:25.10jetscreamernot very helpful
14:25.11psychoslaveyeah, it's what I thought.
14:25.19jetscreamer!beryl
14:25.19dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager)
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14:25.32liablejetscreamer: not in the repo yet
14:25.38psychoslavecamera is for picture of course... ;P
14:25.52psychoslaveso how do you say for video?
14:26.07liablepsychoslave: video camera
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14:26.29psychoslaveXD
14:27.05psychoslaveok, well in fact I allready try to add the user in video
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14:27.47liablepsychoslave: right, well nfc then
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14:30.40liablepsychoslave: are you actually helping someone else or having problems yourself?
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14:33.02liablehas anyone gotten compiz and aiglx working happily in sid?
14:33.27FoxI have compiz working on sid
14:33.34Foxwith nvidia beta drivers
14:33.39liableFox: the debian one?
14:33.48Foxyep, from experimental
14:33.58abrotmanliable: i think Wyzard did
14:34.02liablewhats wrong with the sid one?
14:34.03Foxcompiz from sid, nvidia driver from experimental
14:34.09liableoh
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14:34.35liablejust havent seen anyone say good things, but a few trying to get it to work
14:34.39junix|workcould someone help me fix this: http://pastebin.com/812610
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14:35.56abrotmanGAH .. die pastebin.com die!
14:36.14liableslowest pastebin evar
14:36.21fanneabrotman : it's horrible today .. use pastecom.ca or something
14:36.29fanneduh , s/pastecom/pastebin
14:36.34liableits always horrible
14:36.47abrotmanfanne: not me ..
14:36.50junix|workwhy?
14:36.53abrotmanfanne: and it's been broken for months
14:37.05liablebut i guess it prolly cops a pizzling
14:37.19abrotmansomeone could write a faster pastebin in java
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14:38.02junix|worklet me know when it comes up or i'll paste to debian equiv
14:38.07Foxliable: http://www5.autistici.org/debian-xgl/ if you want to try
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14:39.44dob1hi, how can i make the system bell ring ?
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14:40.12liableFox: i have a ati card that needs xgl :(
14:40.20Foxoh ok
14:40.42liableFox: and they arent gonna package for a while yet
14:40.51liablebut it compiles ok
14:40.55abrotman!paster
14:40.55dpkgpaster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
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14:41.03abrotmanjunix|work: just stop using pastebin.com .. it's worthless
14:41.09abrotmandob1: ctrl-g
14:41.24abrotmanliable: it doens't work with r300.sf.net ?
14:41.44liableabrotman: its a xsomething, fairly new fucker
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14:41.48junix|workhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/4204
14:41.58write_erasehi, my dmesg detects my network cards from eth0 to eth3 , but when I type ifconfig -a, there is eth0, eth10, eth11, eth12 .... ( this system was cloned from another computer) any ideas ?
14:42.20h3sp4wnliable: upto X850 is ok with r300 (X1XXX and above is not)
14:42.41liableh3sp4wn: yah, its like a x1400-1600 dunno what exactly
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14:42.51write_erasewhen I boot single  user, ifconfig -a reports eth0 to eth3 fine . I run debian etch .... thx
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14:43.09petemcwrite_erase: did you clone proc ?
14:43.16ZVERugaúÄÏÒÏ×Ï
14:43.26Ronin!ru
14:43.27dpkgru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
14:43.29liableZVERuga: wrong keymap?
14:43.34dob1abrotman: it doesn't work i think that in some way i have disable the system bell ring, how can i make it work ?
14:43.39Roninheh
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14:43.48mike-ehi i just upgraded from sarge to etch and i can't get 1600x12024 resolution, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't even give the option, every time i've done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg on one of my other debian box's it's prompted me for color depth and resolution..it just stops after choosing which modules to load in xorg...any ideas?
14:43.50liableerr. locale thingo
14:43.52write_erasepetemc : dd if=/dev/sda + netcat + dd of=/dev/sda (on the other side)
14:44.21petemcwrite_erase: right, i think that info comes from /proc/net/dev - icbw tho
14:44.26pelzi_nah
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14:44.29pelzi_look at udev rules
14:44.33petemcwrite_erase: whats the "problem" anyway?
14:44.46pelzi_grep -r "eth10" /etc
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14:44.52liableah yeah, there is a netdev rule you can delete
14:45.03liableits in an old udev bug
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14:46.24write_erasepetemc,  pelzi_ ... Great, this is z25_persistent-net.rules that contains the bad entry
14:46.45write_erasethank you very much ...
14:46.48pelzi_yep
14:46.57pelzi_learn to use grep next time you encounter that
14:47.01pelzi_works for everything
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14:50.07mike-eanyone?
14:51.04liablemike-e: read the top of the file its a -plow or -phlurg or someshit option
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14:51.55mike-ethe top of xorg.conf?
14:52.05liable-phigh
14:52.33mike-ewhat?
14:52.43liabledpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
14:53.01liableit in the file
14:53.03mike-ethat doesn't do anything
14:53.11mike-ejust goes to the promp
14:53.40mike-edpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't letting me configure the monitor, it stops at selecting modules to load into xorg..i can't get anything larger than 800x600 resolution
14:53.46cydorkmike-e: check if xorg.conf has DPMS
14:53.56DaBladeIs there a way to check which X version I have without using dpkg?
14:54.00DaBladeX --version doesn't work.
14:54.47mike-e<PROTECTED>
14:55.57stewDaBlade: X -version
14:56.03DaBladeOops..
14:56.08DaBladestew: Thanks.
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14:56.12mike-ecydork what about dpms
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14:57.54abrotman!bell
14:57.55dpkgi heard bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console .  For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode.  "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions.  See also <shell beep>.  or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc
14:58.19mike-edoes anyone know the answer to my question?
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14:59.22cydorkwhich: nevermind about dpms.
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15:00.23liablemike-e: shrug, -phigh lets me chose monitor modes....
15:00.35mike-eit just goes to the next prompt
15:00.40mike-edoesn't do anything
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15:01.24mike-e....
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15:01.32cydorkliable: -phigh generates it automatically doesn't it?
15:01.51Greek-Boywhat is the difference between kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 and kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686? I'm running on a Xeon 2.8ghz, which should I use?
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15:02.03stewGreek-Boy: use -686
15:02.19liablecydork: it lets me choose it, driver and video
15:02.31liablestrangely it doesnt let me do anything else
15:03.10liableerm, s/video/monitor res/
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15:06.09liableso, -phigh doesnt let anyone else chose there monitor modes??
15:06.47Firestarteranyone know why sound won't work when I play movies or sound files in firefox under debian?
15:07.55liablegood to see we have ~680 bots or idlers back in the channel..
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15:09.10lindenlecan someone help me get imapproxy updated or uninstalled
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15:09.17lindenleit is holding bck all my other upgrades
15:09.27lindenles/bck/back/
15:09.45Trewasbtw was the official move of #debian to oftc cancelled or did we idlers just fail to move there? :)
15:09.59cydork!oftc move
15:10.01dpkgrumour has it, oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html
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15:10.34cydorkTrewas: guess which one :P
15:10.42Trewashehe :)
15:10.52mike-ethis channels more useful imo.
15:10.59mike-eanyways, what's the repo for w32codecs
15:11.09syntaxx!marillat
15:11.10dpkgrumour has it, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/)  Edit sources.list and change to the new location.
15:11.12mike-ethanks
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15:12.02liablelindenle: paste the apt output to a paster
15:12.12lindenle!pate
15:12.13dpkgpate is probably liver!
15:12.17lindenle!paste
15:12.17dpkghmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste
15:12.19liablehah
15:12.20Firestartermozilla won't let me hear sound from media that I play anyone know what could cause this?
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15:12.24lindenlethat was hells funny
15:12.47liablei thought it was :)
15:13.36Althaserhow can I configure my microphone ? please
15:13.48lindenlehttp://channels.debian.net/paste/4206
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15:14.50liablelindenle: kill the process and try again
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15:15.22lindenleliable: not running
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15:15.37liablelindenle: and read the logs i guess, as it suggests
15:15.52junix|workcould someone help me fix this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4204
15:16.16mooedhi, im looking for a ftp server that supports logs per user in the home directory of the ftp user, does anyone knows any??
15:16.41liablelindenle: strange its failing when it says it cant stop it. the script should have a check to see if its running.. is there a pid file floating around or something?
15:17.00stewjunix|work: what happens when you run "apt-get install apace2.2-common"?
15:17.09lindenleliable: There is a bug filed against this at debian, but no solution
15:17.17junix|workstew: ok
15:17.17liablelindenle: oh
15:17.33liablelindenle: so try and fix it or wait :)
15:18.04till^workok i fixed my raid problem
15:18.19junix|workstew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4207
15:18.28till^workhttp://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-degraded.html <- this fixed it
15:18.40stewjunix|work: are you trying to mix unstable and testing?
15:18.47junix|worki guess...
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15:18.56junix|worki've always been on usntable
15:19.27stewjunix|work: well apache2-common which it is complaining about is only in testing, not in unstable
15:19.41stewjunix|work: perhaps you need to apt-get update
15:19.53junix|worki did
15:20.15stewjunix|work: put the output of "apt-cache policy apache2-common apache2.2-common" into a pastebin
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15:20.41junix|workok
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15:21.55junix|workstew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4208
15:21.56DissenterQuestion. I have installed knoppix (debian based as I'm sure you know) I have a local hdd that is formatted using NWFS from Novell. I cannot mount that drive. Hardware is fine because the first partition (FAT16) is mounted just fine.
15:22.33Dissenteris there a boot option, kernel module or something else that I'm missing to be able to mount an NWFS drive?
15:23.05liableask novell?
15:23.05mike-ehi i need to change file association, right now i have audacity set as the program to play wav files..where can i change it
15:23.05Dissenterlol ;)
15:23.17jindallol
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15:23.46Dissenterliable: maybe I should just switch to suse ha
15:24.06liableDissenter: it would prolly work then i guess. :)
15:24.27mike-eanyone
15:24.28mike-e?
15:24.38abrotmanliable: no .. Not Safe For Work drive!
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15:25.19liableDissenter: i get sick of hearing and saying it, but knoppix isnt debian, and though its based on it, we really dont know how knoppix works.. :(
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15:26.15liableDissenter: bugs that may be in debian, may not be in knoppix and vice versa
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15:26.55liableit sucks we get all the bastard debian children
15:27.34Dissenterliable: I get it and I don't mean to insult the debian zealots ;)
15:28.00Dissenterliable: I just know that there are "some" simlarities and I'm not getting anything in the knoppix channel ;)
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15:28.08liablewow, i thought i said that as nicely as possible... yet i still get called a zealot
15:28.56Dissenterliable: lol, I'm just trying to tread lightly since I'm the n00b in the room
15:29.37Dissenterliable: but I've been around long enough to know that debian certainly has more zealots than most ;)
15:29.55lancel00t_gentoo people are bad too
15:30.10Dissenterlol that's very true
15:30.13toratonI used to be a gentoo people.
15:30.13TuxicoDibbler, join #freebsd :)
15:30.24lancel00t_me too
15:30.24mike-ehi i need to change file association, right now i have audacity set as the program to play wav files..where can i change it
15:30.26TuxicoDissenter, *
15:30.42liableDissenter: try #ubuntu then, they are really friendly, everyone knows that, yet why do people still come here?
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15:30.57Greek-Boyso to upgrade my kernel all i gotta do is apt-get [kernel_image] and reboot? sounds too easy
15:31.06liableGreek-Boy: bingo
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15:33.13dendriteGreek-Boy: When you do, the key is to pay close attention if you get any warning or info (or error) messages.  Do NOT ignore messages you get when doing that...
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15:33.47fanneand be sure to have a rescue disk :P
15:33.59dendriteAlways a good idea.
15:34.12mick_homehi everyone
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15:35.40stewjunix|work: that's odd, becuase apache2.2-common Replaces: apache2-common, so i don't know why you are having this problem
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15:40.44mick_homei have a debian box, that is configured to use hostnames (for things like backuppc) - but i can't ping any boxes using the hostname (w/o editing /etc/hosts) -- do i really need a DNS server if my router is the dhcp server? (shouldn't there be functionality like that built in a router?)
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15:41.08t35t0ranyone get a hang after the kernel registers CFQ on a very new nforce mobo? anyone know the workaround ?
15:41.12mick_homethe router is an airport extreme (connected to a hub)
15:42.05abrotmanmick_home: other boxes are windows ?
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15:44.02Roninumm mygod ?
15:44.09Roninor a !
15:44.54mygodhi
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15:46.01stshello folks
15:46.03lancel00t_what package do i intall to pull in all the deps for X?
15:46.20lancel00t_install*
15:46.25stshow can i create a directory shared by several users, so they don't confuse with access permissions?
15:46.50lancel00t_sts: chmod a+rwx /dir
15:47.03abrotmanor use a group .. like a sane person
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15:47.11stslike an apache vhost directory, shared by two developers, owned by www-data:www-data but both developers use a different users.
15:47.12abrotmanlancel00t_: install x-window-system
15:47.31abrotmansts: make it owned by a group .. and give the group write access .. and put them both in that group
15:47.32liableabrotman: there are sane debian zealots??
15:47.42abrotmanliable: don't look at me!
15:47.42Roninliable: one or two
15:48.01liablehah
15:48.16stsabrotman: can i prevent that new files are owned by user:users-main-group?
15:48.18liablethats wrong
15:48.43abrotmansts: umask ... maybe?
15:48.58stsabrotman: what about setgid? whould that work?
15:49.11abrotmanperhaps
15:49.15stss/whould/would/
15:49.31stsperhaps?
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15:50.30kromagghmm I have this weird problem with apt
15:50.45kromaggit seems to automatically switch to the proxy (which is available) when downloading a file
15:50.50kromaggover http that is
15:50.55lancel00t_thanks abrotman
15:51.07kromaggbut wget doesn't do this, so I have no idea what's causing it
15:51.09kromagganybody know?
15:51.11liablestreuner: stick em both in www-data
15:51.17liablests: ^^^
15:52.03liablests: but better to stick the vhost dir root in a home and make em both in that group
15:52.10cydorkkromagg: check /etc/apt/apt.conf for proxy
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15:52.22g0thhi
15:52.41abrotmanliable: eh .. but that group owns more than just that dir
15:52.48kromaggcydork: okay thanks, no idea how that got there
15:52.59liableabrotman: what dir?
15:53.07cydorkkromagg: you used apt-setup i guess.
15:53.12abrotmanliable: and given that it's a vhost .. they couyld possibly write to other vhosts
15:53.16g0thI'm using a very recent debian sid and when I open xmms all menu's don't have any text (the entries are but just zero text)
15:53.25g0thdoes this sound like a known issue?
15:53.32abrotmanfont problem i'd guess
15:53.34g0thI didn't know what to search for in debian bugtrack
15:53.37liableabrotman: isnt /var/www owned by root:root?
15:53.43abrotmanrun it from a shell .. see if you get any other issues
15:53.55kromaggcydork: and it never used this value before the latest apt upgrade? seems strange
15:54.01abrotmanliable: he said the dir is www-data:www-data .. but didn't say if there were other dirs that he does NOT want them to write to
15:54.08abrotmansuch as another vhost under /var/www/
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15:54.17liableabrotman: hence my second suggestion
15:54.20abrotmanbut it might work
15:54.34liableabrotman: but, as standard its owned by root innit?
15:54.43abrotman/var/www/ is i believe
15:55.03tarzeau!popcon
15:55.03dpkgi guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
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15:56.09kromagghmm or perhaps the proxy just broke
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15:59.33mick_homeabrotman: other boxes are OSX
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16:00.12nachoshello
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16:00.49nachosDo i need all the install DVD's or is the second one just packages?
16:00.56nachosthat is, optional packages.
16:01.21Roninnachos: none of the above actually, a mini cd will do nicely then use apt-get to get whatever
16:01.22liabledvd's?? you only need one cd
16:01.22dendritenachos: Only need one.
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16:01.37dendritenachos: Do you have a fast net connection?
16:01.38nachoscoolies, thanks.
16:01.41nachosno dendrite
16:01.47nachoswhat about the install CD's ?
16:01.53nachosjust one will do?
16:01.53Pimpinella<PROTECTED>
16:01.54Roninnachos: oops then perhaps you dont want the netinstall opeion
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16:02.04Pimpinellaany idea what might be the problem?
16:02.12PimpinellaNO FIREWALL IS ACTIVE BTW.
16:02.20Roninno need to yell
16:02.20Pimpinellasry for caps
16:02.23dendritenachos: If you're planning on downloading, try the netinstall.  It downloads only what you want.  Downside is that it downloads as needed, which can mean waiting.
16:02.24Ronin:)
16:02.35stsbbl
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16:03.05liablenachos: if you dont have a good net connection, then the first dvd is ok if you can get it on a fast connection, but the first cd will give you a working box
16:03.47liablenachos: and the second is prolly worth while getting if you can leach it on someone elses connection
16:03.49nachoscool, thanks.
16:03.55liablesecond cd
16:04.09nachosdoes the first CD come with gcc and other devel tools?
16:04.19liablenope
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16:04.25nachos...
16:04.26dendriteliable: Another option is to buy the set and have it mailed to you...
16:04.28nachoswhat one does
16:04.28liablecd2 should cover it though
16:04.36epsilonor get the dvd
16:04.36liabledendrite: sure
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16:04.55dendritenachos: Sorry, that was meant for you. ^^
16:05.40liablenachos: whats on the cd's is decided by popularity, so its hard to say whats exactly on what, but cd1 & 2 should pretty much do you for generall stuff
16:05.44dendritenachos: Or look for a local Linux User's Group...
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16:06.40liablewhats that dpkg factoid for checking the packages from the jigdo file ??
16:06.56liableabrotman: you remember?? ^^
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16:08.49cydork!cd contents
16:08.49dpkgTo find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd.  searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php
16:09.02liableah
16:09.06liable!beer cydork
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16:10.40rafael-ecI just installed sarge on a imac, but had no success with xfree86. Any one with expirience in this?
16:10.57Braindeadrafael-ec: which imac?
16:11.35liableare imacs the old ones or new ones?
16:11.48pelzi_define old and new
16:11.53rafael-ecI am no sure. But I can put you some of my cpuinfo, maybe it can help. Or how can I know? Is not my computer
16:11.56rafael-ecmotherboard     : iMac MacRISC Power Macintosh
16:11.56liableppc intel
16:11.56rafael-ecdetected as     : 65 (iMac (first generation))
16:12.03rafael-ecold
16:12.11rafael-ecppc
16:13.53liablerafael-ec: first, theres #debian-ppc, second, whats the x error, third, did you get the video card pci line right
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16:19.19BacoArt0131k BG göcmenleri bir arada bulusuyor sende gel üye ol sende kat0131l aram0131za yeni arkadasl0131klar yap0131n ve yeni ortam.  www.gocmeniz.net
16:19.25Bacowww.gocmeniz.net
16:19.47dendriteBaco: English, please.  :-)
16:19.55Pryonbacos are an offense against nature
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16:20.25pelzi_prod a staffer
16:20.45rafael-ecI guess I would go to #debian-ppc, thanks. The x error is a black monitor and the output has a few lines like:
16:20.46rafael-ecSkipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_vertex.o":  No symbols found
16:20.53rafael-ecand
16:20.55rafael-ecWarning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
16:21.09rafael-ecand I hace no idea about de pci line
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16:24.20zimnyxI use eclipse with Sun java. It's terribly slow on Mobile Sempron 3000+, 512MB DDR. Do you know some method to speed up java apps?
16:24.45pelzi_yep. avoid eclipse, it is slow.
16:25.09zimnyxI can't it's only tool to develop BIRT reports.
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16:25.16wilcoxeclipse is just an IDE
16:25.22pelzi_yep
16:25.26wilcoxit doesn't RUN apps
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16:25.32pelzi_tweak the vm params
16:25.55texasmynstedDoes anybody know a link to instructions on how to install Debian with only busybox
16:25.57texasmynsted?
16:26.05zimnyxyeah, i said it wrong. Plugin works terribli slow in eclipse.
16:26.32texasmynstedThe expert installer keeps installing base system.
16:26.39zimnyxpelzi_: can you point me to some tutor/article on it?
16:27.32texasmynstedOr would somebody point me to instructions on how to install manually, i.e. without the installer?
16:28.13pelzi_nope. I avoid java like a plague
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16:29.14zimnyxpelzi_: i don't feel like java too
16:29.20quixhello. how do I change the font in MS Word?
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16:29.42liablerafael-ec: we need the lines that start with EE
16:29.46liablemeh
16:29.53Roninumm quix you this is a debian channel? :)
16:30.46quixdebian MS/Linux ?
16:31.06Roninquix: no as in a linux distro and nothing to do with microsoft products
16:31.20Roninindeed
16:31.24liable*groan*
16:31.33CharminthemooseMS/linux that's a good one
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16:31.42quixgoddamn if you folks won't tell me how to change the font in Microsoft Word then what good are you?
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16:32.04Roninquix: if your too stupid to be able to change a font in word you should send your computer back
16:32.26CharminthemooseRonin:I second that motion!
16:32.29quixno, my computer should have come with a post-it note on it, explaining how to change the font
16:32.31jugglinx_<PROTECTED>
16:32.55Charminthemoosetools>font
16:33.01Charminthemoosei think...
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16:33.10Charminthemoosenow troll somewhere else
16:34.01quixc'mon, trolls are serious.
16:34.04stewquix: please keep it on topic
16:34.08texasmynstedanybody help will debian install question?
16:34.13liablehurrah
16:34.14stewtexasmynsted: just ask
16:34.16Ronintexasmynsted: fire away and ask
16:34.27Charminthemoosewhy in the name of all fluffy things in this universe can I not dock asmon in windowmaker?
16:34.47texasmynstedI want to install debian with only busybox and dhcp
16:34.48Charminthemoosethen again,i am starting it from the terminal...
16:34.53texasmynstedwhat is the best way to do that?
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16:35.06mick_homecan someone help me w/ dnsmasq (I'd like for my router to do dhcp, but my debian server to do local dns)
16:35.15Braindeadtexasmynsted: deboostrap. it needs some cleaning anyway
16:35.26texasmynsteddeboostrap?
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16:35.30mick_homei've installed it and now i'm staring blankly at the conf
16:35.36texasmynstedI will google that
16:35.38Braindeadtexasmynsted: sorry, debooTstrap
16:35.47texasmynstedIs there a url for that?
16:35.50wols_mick_home: dhcp is off by default, DNS is on with dnsmasq
16:35.51liabletexasmynsted: wtf do you mea by only busybox?
16:36.05wols_but you need to change your routers DHCP to set the DNS to your debian box
16:36.07texasmynstedjust need dhcp client
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16:36.36texasmynstedbase install is too big
16:36.42texasmynstedWould rather use busybox
16:36.45mick_homei thought that server=/localnet/10.0.1.1 says 'look here first'
16:36.47texasmynstedfor most app[s
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16:36.53Ronintexasmynsted: what is busybox?
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16:36.56pelzi_use an embedded system, not deb
16:36.56Charminthemoosewhy in the name of all fluffy things in this universe can I not dock asmon in windowmaker?
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16:37.10liablebustbox!=debian
16:37.14liableheh
16:37.18liablebusybox
16:37.20pelzi_utfg
16:37.24texasmynstedhttp://www.busybox.net/
16:37.27pelzi_you should know what busybox is
16:37.34Roninpelzi_: and why should i?
16:37.47pelzi_because you asked?
16:37.47texasmynstedembedded system? Such as what?
16:37.49mick_homewols_: can't i just have it continue doing DNS?
16:38.03Roninpelzi_: well if i asked what it is doesnt it stand to reason i dont know what it is?
16:38.07mick_homewols_: i mean the router - then get internal dns from the debian box?
16:38.15wols_mick_home: it can. the question is, what happens when DHCP gives out the IP and DNS server? what good is it then?
16:38.22pelzi_well, you could google instead of asking a stupid question
16:38.32texasmynstedbusybox is a single library that "replaces" most of the frequently used applications.  The idea is to save space.
16:38.42Ronin*sigh* another day another child on the internet i see
16:38.44stewtexasmynsted: "/msg dpkg ig" will get you the install guide.  after you have completed the install you'll have a minimal debian install with busybox and dhclient
16:38.48quixCharminthemoose: My Computer --> Control Panel --> Fluffy Things --> Dock --> Windowmaker.  Click "yes", then click "yes I'm sure", then click "yes I'm really sure this time".
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16:39.33texasmynstedok stew.  I will check it out
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16:39.44liableRonin: busybox is the basic group of apps you get with the installer, ie, very limited
16:39.46stewquix: you've been silenced for 10 minutes
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16:40.21mick_homewols_: i want it to get the dns info like www.google.com - while the other does internal stuff like debian and iMac
16:40.35mick_homethose last 2 being local hostnames
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16:40.53wols_mick_home: put the local names in /etc/hosts
16:41.11mick_homeok
16:41.18wols_do you want your iMac to use dnsmasq or the router?
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16:41.22wols_for DNS that is
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16:41.44liablelaters
16:41.45mick_homei want debian to use dnsmasq
16:42.11mick_homerouter -> get www domains, and debian-> internal stuff
16:42.11jzono1how would i proceed to add a 2.6.18 kernel to my running debian stable?
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16:42.42wols_mick_home: ansdwer my question exactly please. your imac IS internal
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16:42.56mick_homewols_: how do i do that since the ips change (the /etc/hosts thing)
16:43.06mick_homewols_: yes
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16:43.25mick_homedns is only for inside the network
16:43.27wols_fix your dhcp to assign static ips (ie. check MACs)
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16:43.31wols_and you didn't answer my question
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16:44.06mick_homei thought i did
16:44.14mick_homemick_home>wols_: yes
16:44.36mick_homewols_: 'your imac IS internal' <- the question?
16:44.44wols_all 192.168.x.x IPs resolved by dnsmasq, icann IPs via router?
16:44.58wols_18:41 < wols_> do you want your iMac to use dnsmasq or the router?
16:45.15wols_that's what I asked. so your iMac should use both, router and dnsmasq
16:45.39mick_homeall 192.168.x.x IPs resolved by dnsmasq, icann IPs via router? <--- yes
16:46.11wols_I wouldn't do the setup this way but your choice
16:46.12mick_home< wols_> do you want your iMac to use dnsmasq or the router? <--- should pull from debian (dnsmasq)
16:46.27mick_homeoh?
16:46.42wols_why use 2 caching nameservers?
16:46.46mick_homei don't want to mess w/ the router too much (to be honest)
16:46.57mick_homeit gets corrupted really easily
16:47.02wols_ignore the router. disable DHCP
16:47.08wols_done
16:47.08mick_homeok
16:47.26wols_and let dnsmasq do both, DHCP and DNS for everything (imho)
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16:47.46mick_homeok
16:47.50wols_just put your ISPs DNS server(s) in /etc/resolv.conf, edit your dnsmasq.conf and /etc/hosts. done
16:47.55mick_homei turned off dhcp
16:48.16wols_dnsmasq is very versatile so you can always assign the same IP to the same internal machines on the LAN
16:48.31wols_selected via MAC and other characteristics
16:49.25mick_homeso router (gateway) should still be my router
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16:49.49mick_homeand dns -> debian ip
16:50.00wols_yes
16:50.14wols_but dnsmasq is easier to config there than proprietary router web interfaces
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16:51.06mo1991what is a good simple program to make web pages similar to netscape composer, etc.
16:51.18mick_homewols_: do i need to have: server=/local/10.0.1.1 (my router)
16:51.32mick_homemo1991: Nvu
16:51.50abrotmanliable: remembeR?
16:52.01abrotmanliable: /msg dpkg cd contents
16:52.35mo1991mick_home Nvu???
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16:53.35mo1991mick_home is it available for sarge?
16:53.45mick_homesearch it
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16:53.59RichiH!find beryl
16:54.21abrotmanRichiH: i gave you the bug number the other day
16:54.43mo1991where can I find the Nvu program for sarge?
16:54.54RichiHabrotman: did not!
16:55.07abrotmanRichiH: did too .. lastlog me .. grep bugs.debian
16:55.17RichiHabrotman: well, they might have put it into exp in the meantime, eh?>
16:55.17mo1991Never mind NVU is on backports.org
16:55.22mo1991thanks mick_home
16:55.23abrotman!tell mo1991 about backports
16:55.29RichiHnvu sucks
16:55.33abrotmanRichiH: don't think it made it there yet
16:55.36RichiHdon't use it. really
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16:55.53RichiHit produces horrible html and th pages look like freshly milked arse, too
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16:56.01mick_homethere is bluefish and quanta too
16:56.11RichiHabrotman: yah, didn't
16:56.17mick_homewols_: dhcp-range=10.0.1.3,10.0.1.30,12h
16:56.20RichiHmick_home: nvu is wysiwyg
16:56.20mick_homethat look right?
16:56.21abrotmanRichiH: i did give you the URL!
16:56.31RichiHabrotman: did not!
16:56.40mick_homeRichiH: thought that is what he wants
16:56.46abrotmandon't make me make stew find it!
16:57.01RichiHabrotman: pft, as if you could
16:57.10RichiHand he can't either, as you did not!
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16:57.15abrotmanRichiH: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=388701
16:57.24abrotmanRichiH: check your logs for that bug number
16:58.23RichiH1161440875 2006-10-21 16:27:55 < wols> RichiH: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=388701
16:58.25RichiHsee!
16:58.36Charminthemoosewhy in the name of all fluffy things in this universe can I not dock asmon in windowmaker?
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16:59.01stewfreenode/#debian.log:10:28 < abrotman> RichiH: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=388701
16:59.01wols_mick_home: assign a fixed IP to a certain MAC so you can use /etc/hosts
16:59.07abrotman!prize me
16:59.36wols_abrotman: alcohol can kill you
16:59.51RichiHstew: liar!
16:59.52Roninwols_: only if done properly
16:59.53RichiHit was wols!
16:59.59x3mewols_: computers can kill more
17:00.00RichiHwols_: admit it!
17:00.31Pryondrunk computers?
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17:05.36MportnoyHi I need to move all the files with date of October 2006 to a folder called October, how can I do this ?
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17:06.01alieskyhello all
17:06.02abrotmanfind
17:06.23mo1991mick_home - do u use apache 1 or 2 for your web server?  Also how do I set up NVU so that it logs into the apache site
17:06.33Angel-SLhow do i reconfigure webalizer?
17:06.51alieskyi need restric the e-mail from a user to only one domain, for example deny sending e-mail to yahoo.com, how can i do it?
17:06.54mo1991are there any advantages to running apache2?????
17:06.56mo1991anyone??
17:07.01pelzi_please
17:07.09mo1991not sure what the differences are
17:07.10Angel-SLmo1991: #apache.
17:07.13pelzi_why are you using so many question marks??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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17:07.34RichiH!ep
17:07.35dpkgPlease stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, elipse, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban.
17:07.52RichiHpelzi_: for two, that is a bit strange, though
17:07.56RichiHthe reaction, i mean
17:08.00pelzi_yep
17:08.04Charminthemoosewhat's a interrobang?
17:08.06Mportnoyabrotman: but what is the command ?
17:08.07pelzi_I am feeling sarcastic
17:08.08RoninRichiH: he's in a mood today it seems
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17:08.28RichiHRonin: pms?
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17:08.37RichiHor is that the word in english?
17:08.55RoninRichiH: quite likely and it is a word in english
17:09.26mo1991what do people here run - apache or apache2?
17:09.34pelzi_both.
17:10.14pelzi_in most cases the differences are not big
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17:11.01phorce1OK, I've googled 'til I'm blue in the face. How can I force a simple Makefile to use a particular version of gcc? Trying to compile an oddball module for my Debian AMD64 box and it's written to NEED gcc4.0 rather than 4.1
17:11.16pelzi_make CC=foobar
17:12.00abrotmanMportnoy: read the man page for find
17:12.18phorce1pelzi_: thx -- tried exporting CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 and that didn't work -- trying your way
17:13.11abrotmanor ask ##c
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17:15.10phorce1pelzi_: Oh well -- it "did more" but it looks like there's something broken in the code that doesn't like the latest AMD64 kernel. It compiled OK under 2.6.16 but now that I'm on 2.6.17 it's borked. I am REALLY going to take this box back to i386 from AMD64 soon.
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17:16.23pelzi_I've not even bothered with amd64 yet
17:17.58ice_1963i still run my amd 24 +
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17:18.15wols_RichiH: we might soon get stickers likes that on our Wine and beer bottles. courtesy of the EU
17:18.32phorce1pelzi_: It's a home "play box" but I've decided I want to do a few productive things with it and AMD64 just won't cut it. It's a single core so the only benefit would be if I wanted access to 8G+ of RAM and I don't have that so...
17:18.35RichiHwols_: like what?
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17:20.25phorce1pelzi_: I'me getting a "syntax error before string constant" error now. Strange that the same source compiled when I was using 2.6.16 headers.
17:20.28wols_like the ones we have on cigarettes already "Smoking can kill you"
17:21.02wols_RichiH: http://blesius.org/gallery/images/2453/rauchen-kann-toedlich-sein.jpg
17:21.37wols_phorce1: 4G+
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17:22.08Brackihow can i get a certain file from a TAR file?
17:22.57phorce1wols_: however much <grin> I've slept since I did the net digging about it. Decided that I should probably revert to i386 then "brain dumped" the info.
17:23.08Pryontar xf tarball filename
17:23.11RichiHwols_: ah, these
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17:25.35Pryons/filename/path probably
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17:28.56miranda82hello everyobdy
17:29.01miranda82does anyone here know, why i can't autocomplete(double tab) on files, if it is wine DIROFAPP  FILENAME
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17:29.36JordiGHmiranda82: In bash, I take it? Is it because of spaces in Windows filenames?
17:29.49miranda82nono
17:30.34miranda82JordiGH, f e.g. wine Pando/pando.exe filetodl.pando
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17:31.28JordiGHfor exemplia gratia? Heh. Neither of those two can be tab-completed? When you're in a directory that contains Pando as a subdirectory and filetodl.pando also in the same directory you're in?
17:31.41miranda82yes
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17:31.48miranda82the first one
17:31.50miranda82can be completed
17:31.55miranda82but not the second one
17:32.29JordiGHI think bash only autocompletes more filenames for built-in commands for which it knows it can expect more filenames.. no, this is completely false, isn't it?
17:32.51miranda82JordiGH, with root i can do it
17:33.12JordiGHmiranda82: Hm. It works for me. Are you sure you're using bash?
17:33.18miranda82yes
17:33.25miranda82and i just didi it using root
17:33.40miranda82so it's not about expecting 2, 3 args or wathever...
17:33.49JordiGHNo, it's not.
17:33.54JordiGHIt works for me as an ordinary user.
17:33.57JordiGHHow very odd.
17:34.13miranda82extraño
17:35.00miranda82sorry
17:35.02JordiGHAnd in fact, I'm surprised you're using UTF-8. I thought ISO-8859-1 was more common for Debian.
17:35.11miranda82ah..
17:35.11miranda82surprise
17:35.38miranda82maybe it's got something to do with bash_autocompletition in /etc?
17:35.55mick_homehow can i flush my dns cache from dnsmasq?
17:36.21JordiGHmiranda82: Wow. I certainly hope not. That's a big script file I wouldn't want to mess with. :P
17:36.28mick_homei accidentally put in a different hw address and i think it is a bit buggered now because of it
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17:38.51JordiGHAs an afterthought, perhaps someone who is using Wine and thus evidently tied to Windows software would also prefer UTF-8.
17:39.31JordiGHmiranda82: Try looking at the environment variables for root and ordinary user. See if you see something fishy there.
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17:42.18BouncyRoo_~seen spldart
17:42.24aptspldart <n=spldart@cpe-70-116-149-121.houston.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel ##essy, 1d 15h 33m 40s ago, saying: 'mmMMmm pizzza'.
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17:42.41JordiGHapt, what are you?
17:42.43aptI am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
17:42.51miranda82does anyone here why i can't get second argument autocompletition, but i can with root?
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17:43.34BleJDdnsreport say that i dont have MX record but i have 15inter.net.  14400   IN      MX      10       ns1.015inter.net.
17:43.51sidBleJD: /join #bind
17:43.59BleJDi am there :)
17:44.05BleJDbut noone is present
17:44.05BleJD:)
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17:46.07miranda82does anyone here why i can't get second argument autocompletition, but i can with root?
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17:46.31BleJDanybody?? :)
17:46.46JordiGH!repeat
17:46.47dpkgPlease don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
17:46.59BleJD:)
17:47.32JordiGHmiranda82: Did you check environment variables yet?
17:47.41miranda82JordiGH, where?
17:47.55woodgrainwhere does debian mount hot-plugged usb storage devices?
17:48.09JordiGHmiranda82: env
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17:48.33miranda82what do u want me to check?
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17:49.25abrotman!u
17:49.25dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
17:49.35JordiGHmiranda82: I'm not sure. For one, SHLVL and SHELL could be relevant.
17:49.48miranda82shell is bash, i told u
17:49.58JordiGHmiranda82: Indulge me.
17:50.07miranda82an
17:50.09miranda82shlv is 4
17:50.17stewmiranda82: one of the two shells is sourcing /etc/bash_completion
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17:50.48miranda82stew, on root's bashrc i got the last lines, the ones about completition commented
17:50.57miranda82stew, and on my user's i haven't
17:51.18stewmiranda82: does running "source /etc/bash_completion" in both shells make them behave the same way with respect to your question?
17:51.24JordiGHcompletition = completativizacionalidadición, I guess.
17:51.37stewJordiGH: huh?
17:51.45miranda82JordiGH, um?
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17:53.06miranda82stew, exactly the same
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17:53.32miranda82stew, they don't show anything
17:54.00stewmiranda82: so the answer to your question is "becuase root isn't sourcing /etc/bash_completion"
17:54.26miranda82stew ok
17:54.55miranda82mus it relog in?
17:55.14JordiGHstew: Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. What is sourcing in bash? Reading the bash manpage, but, y'know... :P
17:55.19stewmiranda82: to remedy this you might want to ammend the wine completion in /etc/bash_completion, if you think it is a bug, file a wishlist bug against bash
17:55.21miranda82stew, I COMMENTED THE lines in bashrc of my user
17:55.28miranda82and it works
17:55.39miranda82the lines about completition
17:55.48stewJordiGH: "help source"
17:56.13miranda82stew, JordiGH thx guys
17:56.14stewJordiGH: i have no idea what newsletter you are talking about
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17:56.24peorohi
17:56.42peoroi've installed thightvncserver
17:56.50JordiGHstew: My humour isn't very effective today. It's a Simpsons joke. Anyways, source = #!/bin/bash, so to speak?
17:56.58stewJordiGH: no
17:57.06peorobut when i try to run it, it doesn't work:   could not open default font 'fixed'
17:57.06miranda82thx guys
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17:57.11stewJordiGH: type "help source" into a bash prompt
17:57.28peoroi've found a lots of pages on internet whit that error, but i was unable to fix it...
17:57.49JordiGHstew: I did. "read and execute commands from a file and return". How is that different from running a shell script?
17:58.12Feaxanyone knows a streaming application for debian ? For broadcast to a shoutcast server ?
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17:58.51stewJordiGH: it runs them in the current shell, running the script with #!/bin/sh at the top runs it in a subshell (so things affecting environment are lost then the subshell exits)
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17:59.24JordiGHAh, thanks.
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18:01.38secherHrm.. just did an update and upgrade, and apt responded with /boot/initrd.omg-<kernelname> has been altered.  Cannot update." for both udev and initramfs-tools.  anything wierd going on, or is this something strictly on my end?
18:02.24secher!test
18:02.25dpkgYes, secher, you're still online.
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18:05.02mick_homeanyone here use backuppc
18:05.18JordiGH!anyone
18:05.19dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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18:06.33mick_homethat was my real question :-/
18:06.43JordiGHmick_home: Then use popcon.
18:06.45abrotmanmick_home: no .. that's a bad question
18:06.46abrotman!ask
18:06.46dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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18:06.57mick_homeoh god the pedantics start
18:06.57abrotman!sicco
18:06.58dpkgPlease ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic.  Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
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18:07.14wols_mick_home: it wasn't your real question. say someone said "yes". what would you do?
18:07.28abrotmanmick_home: how about "I've been looking at using backuppc, but I have some concerns about doing X while Y, using Z also"
18:07.46abrotmaneven though mine wasn't really a question either :)
18:08.03JordiGH!pie abrotman
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18:08.14mick_homeok, ok.... anyone using backuppc to backup OSX and Linux boxen? as it is proving to be a big pain in the arse for me :P
18:08.40wols_mick_home: so you DO have a problem with the app. ask about the problem not smalltalk
18:08.41roxy_where can I find a how-to on rescueing a file that  has been removed with rm ?
18:08.55wols_roxy_: what filesystem?
18:09.02roxy_wols_: ext3
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18:09.07wols_roxy_: unpossible
18:09.08JordiGHroxy_: Undeleting is difficult/impossible in ext3. Are you using ext2? Then grep the web for undelete.
18:09.20mick_homei keep getting 'host not found' bullshit
18:09.36wols_!tell mick_home about smart questions
18:09.48wols_mick_home: don't make us ask you every single pertinent information
18:09.54mick_homethe hostname is MacBook.local, but it says 'macbook.local'
18:09.55wols_you will never get help this way
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18:10.13mick_homeand netbios... oh god, don't get me started :-/
18:10.24roxy_wols_, JordiGH : thanks :(
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18:10.37mick_homegod i'm not alowed to vent?
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18:11.17mick_homeand i can't believe that someone would get dpkg top msg me that paper from esr
18:11.23franciswhat do I do if I have a process that won't die, even from a -9?
18:11.27JordiGHmick_home: Like beavers feeling an urge to build damns when they hear running water, we feel an urge to fix problems when people bitch. 'Tis the Geek's Way.
18:12.00stewfrancis: is the process in the "D" state?
18:12.01wols_mick_home: you obviously need it
18:12.01francisstew: yes
18:12.10stewfrancis: then you wait for the IO it is waiting on to complete
18:12.22mick_homeanyone know if backuppc has some requirement of netbios? i'm finding that since i use rsync it still errors on it > 2006-10-24 13:52:40 Can't find host macbook.local via netbios
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18:12.40francisstew: can't I force stop it? It's locking up my DVD drive
18:12.52mick_homethe config file (on the Mac) is corrcet though :-/
18:13.00JordiGHmick_home: Are you sure it isn't a problem about wrong case in the hostnames, as you seemed to imply earlier?
18:13.04stewfrancis: no, D is uninterruptable
18:13.06mick_homelet me double check stupid stuff like spelling
18:13.09secherHrm.. just did an update and upgrade, and apt responded with /boot/initrd.omg-<kernelname> has been altered.  Cannot update." for both udev and initramfs-tools.  anything wierd going on, or is this something strictly on my end?
18:13.21francisdang
18:13.23mick_homeJordiGH: why would it make it go lc?
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18:14.19JordiGHmick_home: linux likes lowercase
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18:14.28mick_homeoh this is sooo not fair, someone turned off the damn thing
18:14.37mick_homegrrr
18:14.45xoredafter buying a new motherboard and replacing my old one, booting windows the first time, he just messed up my whole hdd. I installed a system on a other hdd and the old one seem to have one "big" bad partition. Is there a way maybe to restore the partiotion table or something ? thank you. I cant even boot my debian system, nothing
18:14.46lancel00t_i've got a problem. the debian installer set xdm to run at boot and i have no WM set that and i cant get to a command prompt. what do i do?
18:15.02wols_lancel00t_: ctrl+alt+f2
18:15.05wols_and you have a prompt
18:15.07lancel00t_on ppc
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18:15.43lancel00t_that doesnt work for me im on ppc
18:15.47wols_or use init=/bin/bash on bootprompt if you're desperate
18:15.56jordighxored: Hm, did you install Windows after Debian? :-/
18:16.02rufussnHey guys I am running debian with KDE.  I recently bought the ATI Radeon 9250 Graphics card (used onboard one before).  I stuck it in, rebooted, it auto detected it, configured X and everything works lovely (theres a first) :)  However when I look at the output of lspci, and also in system properties in KDE It doesn't detect it as being a 9250 just a 9200 - Am I just being picky or is it not using its full potential and thinking its an earlie
18:16.19Braindeadlancel00t_: it's likely you've got a WM already,it's twm
18:16.24secherruf: lost you at earlier
18:16.25sepskirufussn, update-pciids
18:16.39lancel00t_Braindead: well nothing is loading after i login
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18:16.49wols_rufussn: a 9250 is shitty 9200 IIRC: exact same chip and all, less clockspeed
18:16.50FeaxWith what can I extract a .rar with a password ?
18:16.52Braindeadlancel00t_: gray background?
18:16.53wols_so nothing to worry
18:17.18jordighxored: No, never mind. I read your post too quickly. Any idea what Windows did to your partition? Any pertinent error messages?
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18:17.29mick_homeFeax: unrar ?
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18:17.35wols_rufussn: if you are lucky it's the same chip but faster. but it's certainly the same chip
18:17.40Feaxmick_home: command not found
18:17.42wols_Feax: maybe unrar from non-free
18:17.43rufussnhrm ok
18:17.46mick_homeFeax: split ones are a pain on linux
18:17.58mick_homeFeax: apt-cache search unrar
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18:18.01rufussnwols_, Is there anything else I need to do, I was kinda half expecting it to be a fight to get it to work it just worked out the box really?
18:18.02lancel00t_Braindead: yes
18:18.08Feaxokay
18:18.09Feaxanyone knows a streaming application for debian ? For broadcast to a shoutcast server ?
18:18.12jindalFeax, ya unrar works with
18:18.14jordighFeax: With a password? Your file is encrypted, I take it. You want to brute force the password and hope to get a result within this century?
18:18.18wols_rufussn: possibly to get 3D to work. dunno
18:18.28Feaxnope jordigh I have the passw
18:18.33secherFeax: there are 2 versions of unrar, the FOSS one is crappy, but FOSS, the non-free one is better but is non-foss.
18:18.34rufussnwols_, Ok you sound like a person that uses a ati/radeon or similar?
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18:18.37wols_Feax: icecast I think
18:18.38rufussnDo you know of any good resources?
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18:18.52wols_rufussn: no I don't. I avoid ati like the plague since they have shitty linux support
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18:19.09jordighFOSS, FLOSS, GROSS.
18:19.21rufussnWell, this is a nice card, 256 mb ram, dvi, vga and tv :)
18:19.25secherwols_: what vid-card manufacturer do you use if not ATI?
18:19.30rufussnIt worked right out the box too..
18:19.36jordighrufussn: Did you get OpenGL working with it?
18:19.37wols_secher: most times nvidia
18:19.54secherwols_: is nvidia even less "open" than ATI?
18:19.55Braindeadlancel00t_: that's likely it's twm
18:20.09Braindeadlancel00t_: press right mouse button to get the menu
18:20.09lancel00t_Braindead: okay
18:20.11secherwols_: or are you using the nv drivers?
18:20.13xoredjordigh: i guess, it just dmg the partition table
18:20.16lancel00t_Braindead: im on ppc
18:20.18wols_secher: it's the same. bonus is: their opengl is way better. and the driver is a little less hassle than ati
18:20.20rufussnjordigh, No I have just stuck it in and ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.. Do you know of any resources about the card that I can follow to get the best out of it (e.g. its full potential) ?
18:20.33wols_!radeon
18:20.34dpkghmm... radeon is the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html
18:20.41jordighBut then again, Intel does evil things according to OpenBSD. I'm running out of ethical companies to buy from!
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18:20.45Braindeadlancel00t_: ah. anyway install a wm/de of your choice
18:21.08xoredjordigh: in my eyes ( it was not my own pc, the pc of my dad ) he just forgot to deinstall the old chipset driver of the Wincrap and the it just loaded them on boot time and just blew up the table. This os is so unbelieveable..
18:21.17wols_rufussn: fglrx isnot for you btw: ati dropped support for your chipset with it recently. so you have to stay with radeon
18:21.30xoredjordigh: thats what i guess ofc
18:21.41jordighEh?
18:21.42jordigh!ofc
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18:21.48secherThat's a good question, is there a "Plays Nicely with Open Source" company list somewhere?
18:21.59rufussnhrm, wols_. So I can't do much with the card then ? - just stick it in and enjoy what I got - kinda thing?
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18:22.04wols_rufussn: radeon has 3D for your card
18:22.35jordighsecher: It's so subjective. Wikipedia seems to imply that Sun is a good free software company, and they DO make OO.o, but then there's java. No absolutes, it seems.
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18:23.05jordighxored: I think it's all lost. Try gpart.
18:23.08jordigh!info gpart
18:23.14dpkggpart: (Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1h-4 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 69 kB
18:23.21wols_jordigh: no company is a really good "OSS citizen" in my book imho. conflict of interest. One of the main reason I'm a debian zealot
18:24.00jordighwols_: Who owns Mono nowadays? What about Red Hat, you don't like them either?
18:24.01rufussnwols_, where can i find information about this?
18:24.11wols_jordigh: I said _any_ company
18:24.19wols_rufussn: dpkg has lots here
18:24.33rufussnwols_, what do you mean?
18:24.39msnis the xserver-xorg-input-evdev going to fixed soon..
18:24.39xoredjordigh: yeah here is the prob. Iam not there, he is arround 250km away. The only thing he got now is an windows installation with tight-slow-it-down-vnc running.
18:24.41jordighwols_: I can't grep for "any" in your previous posts. What do you mean?
18:24.41wols_jordigh: mono is owned by Novell btw. at least its the main dev
18:24.51msnmy X crashed after i did a dist-upgrade on etch
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18:25.04wols_jordigh: oops. "no compan" I meant
18:25.22wols_!tell rufussn about radeon
18:25.26wols_rufussn: this dpkg
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18:25.34rufussnoooh cool
18:25.35rufussnthankyou
18:25.36JordiGH!troubleshooting X
18:25.37dpkgTo troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to fix it. Ask me about "x md5sum"
18:25.49bit0does Creative PD1001 works on Linux?, i can't install "epcam" driver.
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18:26.09JordiGHFor msn with love.
18:26.16wols_!hcl
18:26.16dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
18:26.33msni did all that JordiGH
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18:26.44JordiGHmsn: Do share the experience!
18:26.45msnreconfiguration
18:26.55JordiGHmsn: What was the first EE you found?
18:27.06msnrecompilation and reinstallaion of the nvidia module
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18:27.16wols_msn: you give us very little info to work with and diagnose. GIGO you know?
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18:27.24msnjust a sec
18:27.25JordiGHOh. So you know it's a problem with the nvidia drivers.
18:27.28msnno
18:27.33msnits the problem with evdev
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18:27.38froumi_hi
18:27.50msnapprently evdev has some issue with the current xserver-xorg version
18:28.24froumi_i want to display syslog in color into /dev/console with loco
18:28.55froumi_and start this at the boot time
18:29.11JordiGHI wonder if I could pay someone for a laptop with Debian installed on it and with completely free drivers and good 3d acceleration. I wonder if I could say "money is no issue", and I could pay for them to write the free drivers if that was the only possibility.
18:29.17tralalain colour?!
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18:30.00froumi_where is the most "standard" debian use to put my command ligne "tail -f /var/log/messages | loco
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18:30.03tralalaI've never seen syslog in colour
18:30.19froumi_tralala, it s possible with loco
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18:30.35tralalaoh, cool! I've gotta try it
18:30.40froumi_or ccze
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18:31.04froumi_tail -f /var/log/messages|loco > /dev/console
18:31.15tralalaI used to do tail -f /var/log/syslog > /dev/tty12
18:31.16JordiGHBy the way, how can I get a little Tux or Debian spiral or a Wildebeest before any kernel messages at boot time?
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18:31.22savekj linux
18:31.25savekup´s
18:31.25savekxD
18:32.19tralalafroumi_: btw if you have logrotate you'd want to add a cron job for restarting this tail
18:33.27froumi_tralala, on redhat i put this command ligne in rc.local
18:33.33msnhmm seems like the logs got over written after i restarted the X
18:33.43froumi_but in debian i don't know where i can put tis
18:33.44froumi_it
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18:33.55tralalafroumi_: debian doesn't have rc.local you'll have to create a new init task
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18:34.02tralalacheck out /etc/init.d/skeleton and man update-rc.d
18:34.12froumi_oki
18:34.24msnanyway if anyone has evdev issue with evdev 1.1.2 and xorg in etch it can be solved by getting the xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-input-evdev source and recompiling them
18:34.26froumi_tralala, just for one ligne ?
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18:34.43stewtralala: (it actually does have it now in testing/unstable, btw)
18:35.17stewfroumi_: /msg dpkg rc.local
18:35.18JordiGHrecompiling them?
18:35.29tralalastew: hmm, interesting!
18:35.45stewfroumi_: or /msg dpkg bootmisc
18:35.49JordiGHmsn: Recompiling the Debianised source or the original? In the former case, you should file a bug report.
18:35.50msngetting the source and building the packages
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18:36.22froumi_stew, thanks
18:36.29JordiGHmsn: building the Debianised source according to debian/rules shouldn't affect anything. If it does, it's a bug.
18:36.38froumi_stew, it is waht i want :)
18:36.46secherHrm.. I see yaird is a replacement for mkinitrd, but it doesn't look to have had any activity since 2005.  Why is it making an appearance on the upgrade cycle and messing up, well, the upgrade?
18:37.05msnwhich it is actually JordiGH as it is reported in a few mailing lists ....
18:37.46stewmsn: you are recompiling those packages without changing the source or debian/rules?
18:38.32msnstew: yes
18:38.55msnDebian bug tracking system bug#362817
18:39.16stew!dbugs 362817
18:39.19dpkgDONE:#362817:G[xserver-xorg-input-all] xserver-xorg-core: no input driver modules in amd64 repository; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:33:01 UTC
18:39.34msnthe bug says the error is in amd64 but i have been fighting with exactly the same issue.
18:39.43msnsame error
18:40.04stewmsn: what version of xserver-xorg-core was giving you the problem?
18:40.08setog3where can I find log of scp connection ?
18:40.16stewsetog3: /var/log/auth.log
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18:40.35stewsetog3: but it isn't specific to scp at all, and will only tell you when someone logs in and logs out, not what they did
18:40.44rgsteeleBah, the MySQL channel is wholly unhelpful
18:40.56msnstew 7.0.22
18:41.08msnthe current in etch
18:41.10Feax!info icecast2
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18:41.13dpkgicecast2: (Ogg Vorbis and MP3 streaming media server), section sound, is optional. Version: 2.3.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 264 kB, Installed size: 644 kB
18:41.18setog3stew: ah.. because I need to find a file that I have transfered with scp , and dont find the file.. I don't remember the name
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18:42.02JordiGHsetog3: Hm. It should be in the home directory of the user you connected to, unless you specified a different path. Or do you have a whole slew of files there with obscure names?
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18:42.47Guerinsetog3: check ~/.bash_history
18:42.52setog3JordiGH: I search in my home but don't find the file ..
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18:43.27setog3Guerin: yes but I am not on the upload machine.. I am on my machine, the other machine is at university, and I don't have access.. so I think I will wait one day :D
18:43.45JordiGHHuh? How can you scp access but no ssh access?
18:43.54stewJordiGH: with rssh for one
18:44.08JordiGHOr sftp for that matter? Can't you download .bash_history?
18:44.08stewsetog3: look at .bash_history on the machine that you ran the scp command from
18:44.13setog3JordiGH: I have access from university to my home, not from my home to university
18:44.26Guerinsetog3: if you have scp access, don't you have ssh access?
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18:44.36JordiGHsetog3: Oh. I get it.
18:44.47ewlHi, I just installed debian etch.
18:45.05JordiGH!prize ewl
18:45.16JordiGHAnd I don't mean that in a sarcastic way, btw.
18:45.27ewlthanks, everythings working too :)
18:45.34JordiGH!beer all
18:45.57JordiGHYou just dropped by to tell us how much you love Debian, right? Right?
18:46.19ewlI installed mesa-utils so that I could have glxgears. How do you get glxgears to show fps?
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18:46.39ewlI do love debian ;)
18:46.43_day-walker_we all do
18:46.52craigevilglxgears -printfps
18:46.53stewewl: /msg dpkg glxgears
18:47.01secherLOL.. I'm sshed into another system, su-ed to root, and trying to find my apache2 installation.  cd /etc/apache2 returns NSFD.. <PANIC>  Oh, whew, I'm in barad-dur not lothlorien.  Scared teh piss out myself.
18:47.20_day-walker_lol
18:47.34ewlthanks
18:47.47msnXlol
18:48.47xoredJordiGH: ok i got it, The whole disk is detected to small. I tried a free tool called testdisc, which tried to restore the pratition and this tool says, that the last part is somehow to big / disk to small. Looking at the size of the disc, its 74GB, not 80 ( windows size) so this is the point
18:49.08secherBut I still can't figure out what I've not configured properly to get apache2 to handle php.  Feh.
18:49.21JordiGHEh? glxgears has no manpage? Isn't that a bug? Also, I thought whatis used manpages, so how can I get a response for whatis with glxgears without a manpage? I guess I was wrong.
18:49.56JordiGHxored: Oh. Are those 6 gigs of discrepancy where Debian is? Stupid Windows!
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18:50.28setog3I FIND the file !! :D
18:50.43JordiGHsetog3: Woohoo! How?
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18:52.35Jabkamsg dpkg acpi
18:52.36xoredJordiGH: no even worse, that all the important data
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18:53.16xoredJordiGH: documents etc. What the f*** hell is this os doing....iam so tired of it
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18:53.47xoredsometimes
18:53.54xoredi _cant_ install windows on my laptop
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18:54.04xoredcause i installed gentoo before
18:54.11JordiGH:-/
18:54.12Jabkahow do i add acpi support for battery ?
18:54.19xoredand windows CANT, yes it CANT, be on the first partition
18:54.41ewl2 months ago, I couldn't get etch to do hardware acceleration. This time it works "right out of the box" :)
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18:55.25xored*love sarge too much*
18:55.33ewlbye all, thanks for the help...
18:55.48secheris there a way to ask apache2 to show what modules are currently enabled?
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18:56.13JordiGHxored: I think you can move Gentoo somewhere else and that some versions of Windows will not attempt to overwrite the entire hard drive with itself. Then you'll just need to reinstall grub to the mbr.
18:56.38xoredJordiGH: no its even easier
18:56.44xoredJordiGH: i wont install that crap
18:56.50JordiGHHeh.
18:56.57xoredJordiGH: got my wine for borland c++ builder
18:57.06xoredgot my wine for starmoney
18:57.08JordiGHYou don't like Kdevelop?
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18:57.40xoredJordiGH: nope, its not about likeing or not, its for my buisness and i developed some tools based on crappy borland c++ builder
18:57.51JordiGHAh. Pity. :-/
18:57.57xoredso for the old project i will need to have it
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18:58.28xoredi will buy vist
18:58.30xoreda
18:58.31xoredBOT
18:58.34xoredNOT
18:58.51xoredbefore, i will try xgl :)
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18:59.07tzikuHello, i need a BOT for DC Hubs , who can share(all linux free distributions), talk , and know TTH Transfer. I try "microdc" but "microdc" is not suporting TTH Transfers.
18:59.59JordiGHxored: By the way, I was looking for a nice way to make Qt or GTK+ applications or whatever. Any recommendations for visual coding in Debian?
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19:00.42jetxwhat is this gay .pdiff shit when i apt-get update. i'm having to d/l weeks of shit sometimes if i havent had the box on in a while. wtf!
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19:01.03zinxjetx: it's so you don't have to download the entire Packages file
19:01.05jetxhow do i just do it the old way
19:01.06jetxheh
19:01.13jetxit takes longer
19:01.15Ronin!tell jetx about pdiff
19:01.15zinxjetx: sadly, it doesn't check to see if it's faster to just download the Packages file
19:01.16JordiGH!gay
19:01.17dpkgIt's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced.
19:01.18Roninhumm
19:01.42zinxjetx: maybe you need to update the package list more often
19:02.03jetxi should turn the box on more often than i need to you say :/
19:02.20Roninyou turn them off? ive heard of that
19:02.30zinxjetx: Or not run unstable/testing.  Whichever.
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19:03.05jetxa p233 laptop surrounded by amd64 and others... yeah i turn it off :)
19:03.14jetxbesides, i need to fix the fan on it
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19:03.33jetxah it's a p2 366 my bad
19:03.59jetxthis one i'm on sat for 3 days... or so. long list of .pdiff
19:04.18jetxoh gee only 21
19:04.30jetx21 diff files for 3 days
19:04.33jetxhmmm
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19:04.38jetxanyway
19:05.03jetxso is synaptic just a front end to dselect?
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19:05.21stewjetx: no, they are both frontends to libpat
19:05.51jetxnever heard of it
19:06.00jetxor do you mean libapt
19:06.08stewyes
19:06.11jetxi like kpat... :)
19:07.16asconif i plug in an external hard disk with USB, will it be automatically recognized or does it need drivers or somthing?
19:07.43pelzi_depends on what you mean
19:07.48pelzi_you need to mount it.
19:07.57JordiGHascon: KDE will usually automount stuff for you.
19:08.05jetxgnome 'may' automount it though.. ^^ what he said
19:08.12asconi mean except mount stuff
19:08.25ascondo i need any special drivers for usb drives?
19:08.32JordiGHascon: Oh, kernel 2.4 and onwards doesn't require anything special for USB pendrives.
19:08.41abrotman!usb storage
19:08.41dpkgLoad the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules.  Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something.  Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table.  Create an entry in /etc/fstab like:  "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb".  Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount>
19:09.09asconjordigh: well it's an external hd, not a flash disk, is it treated the same?
19:09.16buuHrm. What was that dpkg link to the debian-stable with a backported kernel?
19:09.46jetxit's a perl bot, grep it!!! :) j/k
19:09.55jetx!sarge 2.6.16
19:09.55dpkgif you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7.  also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm
19:09.56jetxi think
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19:10.26JordiGHascon: I think so, yes.
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19:10.55FlyAwayEvening all :)
19:11.14FlyAwayI have a strange Question but I hope somebody could help me with
19:11.17jetxirssi on dual monitors is cool
19:11.23jetxthere is no ask factoid
19:11.33jetx!ask
19:11.33dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
19:11.45FlyAwayI installed the latest debian version
19:11.52FlyAwayinstalled Apache2
19:11.59FlyAwayand the lib-apache-php4
19:12.04FlyAwayand MySQL
19:12.09FlyAwayphp works like a chamr
19:12.16FlyAwaythe MySQL server is working now
19:12.22FlyAwaybut I get this error message:
19:12.23Coweater!enter
19:12.23dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying.  Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line.  (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.)
19:12.30FlyAwayCall to undefined function: mysql_connect()
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19:13.30CoweaterFlyAway: sounds like you're missing the mysql library for php
19:13.55gceisn't the command ldd on a binary supposed to find shared libraries even if they are symbolically linked to another library
19:14.02CoweaterFlyAway: php4-mysql or php5-mysql whichiver version is appropriate
19:14.03FlyAwayYeah, but I did this line: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 php4-cli php4-common php4-cgi
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19:14.35FlyAwaylike the website: "http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/lamp.htm" told me to
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19:15.09FlyAwayphp4-mysql is already installed on your system
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19:15.39jetxah. ok this box is setup for dhcp/eth0, i need to change to the modem(phone) as default connection. how do i accomplish this. link to howto, man this, factoids.... any pointers in right direction?
19:16.10FlyAwayjetx, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/network.htm
19:16.21jetxi know nothing, but is there an apache mysql thingy you need?
19:16.24jetxthanks FlyAway
19:16.28cbranybody know when Firefox 2.0 will hit Debian?
19:16.34CoweaterFlyAway: you checked that the php_mysql extension is uncommented per that page's instructions?
19:16.40FlyAwayyes
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19:16.50Coweaterand reloaded apache if it wasn't?
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19:17.00Coweaterrestarted*
19:17.11Ronincbr: which debian? sarge never, sid heck it may be there tomorrow :)
19:17.22cbrRonin: sid ofcourse
19:17.39cbrwhat about the "waaahh.. we dont use firefox anymore" thingy?
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19:18.01FlyAwayCoweater, that did the trick ;)
19:18.02Ronincbr: uhh thats a bit out of context perhaps you should read up on the problem first?
19:18.19FlyAwayI forgot to kick Apache2
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19:18.26Coweatergood, i was out of ideas
19:18.27tzikuHelp: checking for tv.h... notfound
19:18.28cbrRonin: well since they want to use iceweasel now, shouldnt iceweasel 2.0 first be released by GNU or smth?
19:18.31Roninthen again firefox 2 may never be in it
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19:18.39FlyAwayDeinstalled Apache
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19:18.49FlyAwayand forgot to kick apache2 :p
19:18.52FlyAwayThanks all for the help :)
19:19.17FlyAwayYou're the wizards ;)
19:19.35cbrwhy cant they just use the stupid icon imo... "oooh.. our whole philosophy is shattered by 5kB of binary"..
19:19.58mcire
19:20.07zinxcbr: because they legally can't use it
19:20.14zinxcbr: if they use it, they are breaking various laws
19:20.27cbrzinx: what about all the other distros?
19:20.43zinxcbr: they either distribute firefox unmodified, or are breaking said various laws
19:20.53mci# mount -n -o remount,rw /
19:21.02texasmynstedok so I found deboostrap
19:21.08mcimount: block device /dev/hda2 is write-protected, mounting read-only
19:21.08zinxcbr: or also don't use the logo :/
19:21.27mcisomeone knows how I can remount it rw ?
19:21.29cbrzinx: it's not like "murdering-your-mother"-crime.. it's like "i-saw-1-penny-fall-out-of-a-mams-pocket-and-i-took-it"-crime
19:21.35texasmynstedby default it seems to want to load a base system.
19:21.38zinxcbr: It's still a crime.
19:21.51texasmynstedI used the --download-only option.
19:22.36texasmynstedSo does that mean I can run it some way and not have it install much?
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19:22.53cbrzinx: so confusing users and causing extra mayhem for the devs is worth it?
19:22.53texasmynstedJust want busybox and a few other things
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19:24.15cbrit IS firefox but at the same time it isn't.. kinda ridiculous if you ask me :roll:
19:24.42zinxcbr: your other choice is to not have it in the distribution at all
19:24.53zinxcbr: do you think it's worth it to avoid the legal problems so that you can have it in the distribution at all?
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19:25.31mciall: it's an IDE disk with some errors, it seems blocked in read only mode! I want to do a fsck.ext2 without reboot Any ideas?
19:25.36Braindeadtexasmynsted: are you working on an embedded system ?
19:25.49sepskimci, unmount, fsck, mount
19:26.10cbrzinx: the issue is the compulsory distribution of the icon and the brandname together right.. okay, the icon is "evil" etc.. but how can such a small thing not be debated and instead calls for a kind of crusade.. that's whats interesting
19:26.33zinxcbr: you're not listening
19:26.51zinxcbr: it's illegal for Debian to distribute it as it is, so they either don't distribute it or they do this "crusade" you're talking about
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19:27.14stewtexasmynsted: copy one of the scripts in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts and edit the base="" line to change which packages get installed as base
19:27.18zinxcbr: anyway, you should probably move this to #debian-legal, though i will not be there
19:27.23cbrzinx: but they have the non-free repo for things "that really arent allowed there, but still are".. why not use that?
19:27.23mcihdparm -r /dev/hda2 says Off
19:27.28zinxerh, the debian-legal mailing list i guess
19:27.51cbrzinx: nah, i aint looking for a discussion that serious :p
19:27.52sepskicbr, becouse non-free is not part of debian ?
19:27.52zinxcbr: non-free is for stuff that can be legally distributed but doesn't follow the DFSG
19:28.06mcisepski, thx, but ...
19:28.12mci# mount -n -o remount,rw /
19:28.15mcisays
19:28.19mcimount: block device /dev/hda2 is write-protected, mounting read-only
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19:29.00stewcbr: becuase stuff in non-free should still not have security vulnerabilites, and mozcorp objects to debian providing security patches to old versions of firefox and still labeling it firefox
19:29.19mciblockdev --setrw /dev/hda2 doesn't work, too
19:29.34stewcbr: the icons are just one instance of the larger problem, that mozcorp doesn't want us patching firefox and still calling it firefox
19:29.34sepskimci, what does the log say when you do that remount ? that errors are found and remoted ro ?
19:29.48sepskimci, backups- > fsck -> try remount,rw
19:30.03cbrstew: okay.. but $DISTRO still does it after this step by debian..
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19:30.36grendal_primehow do i assign an ip to a card with just ifconfig?
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19:30.45stewcbr: dunno.  mozcorp directly asked us to stop, so we are stoppping.  i'm assuming that they will make the same request of other distros, but i dunno
19:30.50grendal_primeifconfig -a address subnetmask..?
19:30.57secherI've installed horde3 on a Debian Sid system.  I've read the README.Debian, removed the exit (0); line. I've cleared out the cache and history of firefox, stopped and restarted apache2.  When I point firefox to http://localhost/horde3 it still gives me the fatal error has occurred, see readme.debian etc.  If I go to test.php, it serves up fine, however.  What am I not doing, or doing wrong?
19:30.57grendal_primesomething like that...
19:31.12mciext3_abort called.
19:31.23craigeviliaorran1986
19:31.24mciEXT3-fs error (device hda2): ext3_remount: Abort forced by user
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19:31.39mcithat's the dmesg output
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19:31.49secherbtw, I went to horde, and they told me to come back here.
19:31.56secher#horde that is.
19:32.09sepskimci, ext3-fs error. so use fsck
19:32.22abrotmansecher: restarted your browser too ?
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19:32.42secherabrotman: Yep, cleared out cache and all.
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19:32.55secherabrotman: Hello, btw.
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19:33.03grendal_primestew?
19:33.11stewgrendal_prime: hi!
19:33.11grendal_primeon the ipconfig..i just cant seem to get it..
19:33.26grendal_primeifconfig...to add an interface?
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19:33.34mcifsck.ext3 fails
19:33.48mcie2fsck 1.37 (21-Mar-2005)
19:33.56mci/dev/hda2: recovering journal
19:34.06mciJBD: bad block at offset 6575
19:34.44mcifsck.ext3: Unknown code fMQH 220 while recovering ext3 journal of /dev/hda2
19:35.25stewgrendal_prime: don't use ifconfig, add interfaces to /etc/network/interfaces  ; then run "ifup interfacename", man interfaces
19:35.26sepskimci, you can try fsck with the badblock option, but personaly i'd rater run a backup, and replace the drive
19:35.28mciany ideas?
19:36.23mcisepski, yes. I'm doing the backup, thx
19:36.56abrotmansecher: what's in the readme.Debian ?
19:37.07cydorkstew, what is the name package which replaces initscripts in sid?  i remember you were talking about it some days back..
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19:37.53stewcydork: file-rc?
19:38.01stew!info file-rc
19:38.05dpkgfile-rc: (Alternative boot mechanism using a single configuration file), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.8.10 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 188 kB
19:38.23cydorkoh yes.. thanks a lot..
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19:40.15byteshac1anyone here running kernel 2.6.x on Dell PE (PowerEdge) 800
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19:40.29pelzi_tell your problem
19:40.30mciit's a remote machine (ssh only), how can I avoid that the fsck during boot fails again and the server does not boot?
19:40.42secherabrotman: loads, but in a nutshell, it says to remove the line exit (0); from conf.php under /etc/horde3/ and make sure the /etc/horde/horde3 is owned by the apache2 user, which I"ve left as the default www-data.
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19:41.13secherabrotman: and www-data is the owner.
19:41.26abrotmansecher: nice executive summary :)
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19:42.20abrotmanbyteshac1: is that an old PE 800 ?
19:42.49vin`Linux version 2.6.19-rc2-git7-231006 (root@nirvana) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061007 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-16)) #1 PREEMPT Mon Oct 23 15:46:32 AST 2006
19:43.05secherabrotman: the whole file is about, I'd guess 500 lines?  More?  and covers whatever the maintainers feel may have been changed that will need additional changing to support horde3, but if you're using the defaults, then all should be well.
19:43.14abrotmanvin`: you sohuld know better!
19:43.29secherOH, sorry, way off, 211 lines, precisely.
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19:43.49vin`abrotman: dang
19:44.16byteshackmy connection got dropped so I'll ask again, sorry: does anyone have a kernel 2.6.x running on Dell PE (PowerEdge) 800?
19:44.19abrotmansecher: can oyu paste the error somewhere ? or msg me the IP/url ?
19:44.23abrotmanbyteshac1: is that an old PE 800 ?
19:44.32byteshackabrotman: yes
19:44.38abrotmanlike .. P150 ?
19:45.05byteshackwe have a 2.4.x running that the previous admin left (which he found somewhere online)
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19:45.17byteshackbut I can't find anything for 2.6.18
19:45.23abrotmanbyteshack: which CPU ?
19:45.38byteshacknot sure what incantations to use for the SCSI/SATA drives that the machine has
19:45.39plapointeSeb: ?
19:45.43byteshackit's a P4
19:45.49abrotmanbyteshack: and show us the output of `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1`
19:45.52abrotmanoh yeah .. so old
19:45.59vin`tarzeau: bubbles?
19:46.02Sebplapointe: yep
19:46.09pelzi_first P4s are starting to get old.
19:46.25pelzi_in enterprise use, anyway
19:46.32byteshackI was able to run knoppix on it, and it was able to load my drives
19:46.56secherabrotman: http://pastebin.ca/219602
19:46.57byteshackbut when I try to roll my own kernel, am SOL
19:47.04vin`pelzi_: core2duo's next?
19:47.06cydorkbyteshack, sata drives become sd* from hd* when you shift from 2.4 to 2.6
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19:47.23byteshackii  libc6          2.3.6.ds1-7    GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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19:47.30secherabrotman: there are /no/ other errors, not in apache2 logs, nowhere.
19:47.42Sebbyteshack: you mean the 2.6.x precompiled debian kernel images don't see your disks at all ?
19:47.45byteshackyeah, and that's where I have the new root in grub pointing to
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19:48.13byteshackSeb: the 2.6.x precompiled ones wont even make it all the way through the boot process
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19:48.31texasmynstedBraindead: no, just want a very small system for a web server
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19:48.44feistelhi
19:48.45feistelhow I can increment inode capacity in a filesystem without loss data ?
19:48.46Sebbyteshack: where do they stop ?
19:48.57byteshacktrying to load the kernel from the drive
19:48.58texasmynstedstew: cool.  Thank you.
19:49.12texasmynstedWill it know if I miss some dependancies?
19:49.27viqasanyone here have luck with the 3d radeon drivers?
19:49.32Sebbyteshack: then this is a grub misconfig
19:49.42byteshackit can't find /dev/sda1
19:50.19byteshackit's the same place where the 2.4 kernel is pointing to for the root
19:50.33psychonateIs there a way to recompute the track length for an mp3, and then update the id3 tag to include the new length?
19:50.33Sebbyteshack: hrm, no, grub doesn't complain in terms of /dev/whatever, it should complain about hdx,y
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19:51.04stewtexasmynsted: no, the dependencies would be resolved automatically
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19:51.27psychonateI seem to have some mp3s whose track lengths are... negative (at least as reported by XMMS); it makes seeking impossible within that player
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19:51.31Sebpsychonate: use MP3::Info; in perl
19:51.56Sebpsychonate: byt the mp3 length is not in the id3 tag at all. It's a property of that mpeg stream.
19:52.05byteshackit seems to be complaining about this line: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-1-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro
19:52.08cydorkbyteshack, did you run update-grub after installing the kernel?
19:52.14byteshacknot about the: root            (hd0,0)
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19:52.36Sebbyteshack: well tell us what it says exactly then
19:52.40byteshackno, I seemed to read somewhere that that wasn't necesary
19:52.59byteshackI'll get another boot and try to capture where it halts
19:53.02psychonateSeb, bah, so there's no like metadata I can change then I suppose
19:53.17byteshackthanks guys, I'll be back
19:53.24secherabrotman: did you get the link I sent to pastebin.ca?
19:53.53vin`viqas: what about it?
19:54.57viqasvin`: is there an online howto that one could follow to get fglrx-kernel-src compiled?
19:55.10mbn_18when i boot, my Debian gets into "press ctrl D or enter root password for maintenance" . i enter root password and the machine go to init2 and reask for password
19:55.20mbn_18any ideas ?
19:55.26viqasi kinda followed this http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-archive/msg00277.html but i dont think i am supposed to do the "   ln -s lib /usr/X11R6/lib64  "  step
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19:56.44vin`viqas: where are you stuck? xorg just worked for me. :)
19:57.18viqaswell.. im on a amd tbird and its a 32bit platform
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19:57.40vin`and?
19:57.44SinnerGI'm trying to configure mangos, and get this error : checking for pthread_create in -lpthread... no || configure: error: Missing pthread
19:57.47SinnerGany ideas?
19:58.03viqasvin`: im still supposed to do  ln -s lib /usr/X11R6/lib64  ?
19:58.11vin`mangos?
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19:59.16viqashttp://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-archive/msg00277.html  <-- according to that heh
19:59.29cydorkSinnerG, search for  libpthread.so
19:59.47cydork!tell SinnerG about search
20:00.01abrotmansecher: now i did :)
20:00.40vin`viqas: or an intel card, aiglx \o/
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20:02.19vin`abrotman: did ya try aiglx? works great with i915
20:02.49abrotmanvin`: i'm on etch .. tell gravity to push it in!
20:02.55secherJust change it, hoser.. sheesh..
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20:04.28Digammaanyone know of a good window manager manager
20:04.59viqaswoot works
20:05.19Pryontwm
20:05.32byteshackoh I would love to kill myself.... update-grub would have saved my most of the day
20:05.38byteshackthanks for asking about that
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20:06.34vin`Digamma: eh?
20:06.52nsxis fast user switching in gnome not working right now in debian?
20:06.54Charminthemoosea manager that manages window managers
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20:07.35mbn_18what is the best live cd to fix my Debian Sarge ?
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20:08.06vin`mbn_18: the install disk will do, /msg dpkg fixmbr
20:08.07DigammaI found what I was looking for
20:08.09Digammaxdm
20:08.30vin`Digamma: then try gdm or kdm
20:08.36mbn_18vin`, its not the mbr
20:08.38pelzi_xdm is fine
20:08.40mbn_18<PROTECTED>
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20:09.09vin`pelzi_: no bling
20:09.22pelzi_who cares
20:09.38vin`then startx will do
20:09.55pelzi_that wastes a vt and keystrokes
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20:10.51asgpelzi_: then alias '{ startx & } ; exit' to something short. Login, type <something short>, voila
20:10.55secherEgad I wish I could get xchat to work.  wtf is dbus anyway?
20:11.06pelzi_nah. xdm works fine for me
20:11.08asgsecher: the thing that takes you to dstore
20:11.14secherash: LOL.. nice.
20:11.16pelzi_and you can configure it to be pretty.
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20:11.44pelzi_I just didn't bother (and a dm and startx are a different thing, not that simple)
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20:12.52robin_zweird ... for some reason, this Sarge laptop is having lots of difficulty connecting to this Linksys wireless router ...
20:13.32cydorkrobin_z, define difficulty :P
20:13.47pelzi_I've had enough pain with consumer WLAN stuff to not be surprised
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20:14.31pelzi_I've considered ditching my 3com 802.11g ap in favour of a good, old 802.11b orinoco.
20:14.33asgrobin_z: make sure it's the right one, 90% of people who buy them just keep the default ssid 'linksys'
20:14.42pelzi_true.
20:14.53pelzi_the ssid should be random by default
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20:15.13pelzi_it just doesn't work when different nets use the same ssid
20:15.16asgpelzi_: then it wouldn't work out of the box and consumers really need it out of the box
20:15.22pelzi_it would.
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20:15.36pelzi_they could print it on the box
20:15.44mbn_18the netinst cd is enugh to fix partions ?
20:15.44Sparkis there a command that you can use to reload inittab
20:15.48pelzi_or use the first 6 characters of the mac address
20:15.48Sparke.g. for adding more vts
20:15.53Sparki thought it was init -q
20:15.54Sparkor something like that
20:16.24jpinHi, how can i add a created element in javacript to the webpage? (inline)
20:16.45jpindocument.write(element.innerHTML) doesn't seem to work properly
20:16.50Sparkah its init q
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20:18.07secherLO>. yep.
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20:18.48nilesis it possible to view my Desktop from a remote location by forwarding X through an ssh tunnel?
20:19.02nilesis there a document or tutorial on how to do this?
20:19.25jpinHow can i add a created element in javacript to the webpage? (inline) -- document.write(element.innerHTML) doesn't seem to work properly
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20:19.34Digammawhere is the file that I should edit to run KDM when linux box starts
20:19.55nilesDigamma /etc/rd2.d
20:19.59nilesinthere
20:20.08vin`niles: tried /msg dpkg sshx ?
20:20.17nilesvin`  thanx pal
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20:20.47nilesDigamma: /etc/rc2.d/kdm start
20:20.50nilesor restart
20:20.54nilesor stop start
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20:22.02yassinehi everyone i would like to remove all the x  based packages from my server test box and suggestions how i could do it magiccally ?
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20:23.52Digammasudo /etc/rc0.d/K01kdm start
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20:24.00Digammathats what it is on my box
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20:26.28SimAtWorkis there a tool to change your apt repositories?
20:26.33SimAtWorkthe ones i'm using now are timing out and way too slow
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20:26.40x_linkenouf: There ?
20:26.53dererk[w]_awayDid anyone who use this script have problems avoiding download of contrib section: http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync ?
20:27.02x_linkhttp://pastebin.ca/219672
20:27.17x_linkCan somebody take a look at that site and PLEASE tell me why Ican't install Debian.
20:27.36x_linkI had it before, but somebody told here told me to do something that messed up my Debian.
20:27.41x_linkBut I can't re-install it.
20:27.48x_linkSo I REALLY need some help.
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20:28.41vin`x_link: did it really say "configurede" ?
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20:28.59MarGarinafirefox 2.0? :)
20:28.59MarGarinamm.. not yet :(
20:29.07viqasvin`: would the glxgears app work with the ati drivers?
20:29.24_day-walker_yes
20:29.26jellyx_link: have you read the installation guide?
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20:29.49x_linkvin`: configured
20:29.49vin`viqas: dunno, used to work fine with xorg/mesa
20:29.51x_linkVery funny
20:30.03jellyx_link: I'd try booting the 2.6 kernel for starters.
20:30.30dererk[w]_awayMarGarina, it's not longer called firefox on debian branchs :)
20:30.40dererk[w]_aways/not/no/
20:30.55vin`x_link: which installer is this?
20:31.09x_linkvin`: I don't know.
20:31.12_day-walker_viqas: it works
20:31.18x_linkIt's Debian Testing, kernel 2.6, KDE 3.5
20:31.33x_linkI used it before. For like 3-5 days ago.
20:31.42vin`jelly: 2.6 is default with etch
20:31.53jellyvin`: oh, I assumed stable.
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20:31.57csmahi
20:32.30viqas_day-walker_: are yousupposed to get some ATI logo when you start X like nvidia?
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20:33.08_day-walker_viqas: no...
20:33.16viqasXlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
20:33.17viqasError: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
20:33.18mark__Is there a way to convert .eml files using Debian?
20:33.22vin`nvidia has a logo on startx?
20:33.39viqasvin`: yeah it shows the nvidia logo when you run X
20:33.49_day-walker_viqas: known problem... did u set driver = "fglrx" ?
20:33.59jellymark__: eml files are usually just plain mails, you can put them into a Maildir folder and they'll work.
20:34.12viqasset the driver in xorg.conf or in glxgears?
20:34.20jellymark__: what do you want to convert them to?
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20:35.21_day-walker_viqas: xorg.conf
20:35.24toni  have forgotten my linux's password , is thre one way to recover it ?
20:35.26heloanyone know how you can get a bash script to wait until the cd drive tray is closed before proceeding?
20:35.47_day-walker_helo: sleep 3 ?
20:35.56SeanTaterI added +includes in apache2, but I'm getting nothing in my pages, and apache says this on every page view: an unknown filter was not added: INCLUDES
20:36.02helo_day-walker_: i can't assume it will close within 3 seconds
20:36.06SeanTaterHow do I get SSI?
20:36.12vin`Digamma: worked?
20:36.19Digammano
20:36.25_day-walker_helo: what about sleep 180? *scnr*
20:36.32DigammaI am downloading gwm with somethone willing to help the newbie in need
20:36.48vin`Digamma: wtf is gwm?
20:37.11Digammagdm**
20:37.24Digammagnome display manager
20:37.53vin`another one bites the dust!
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20:38.57Digammalmao
20:39.49SimAtWorki'm getting 724b/sec from ftp.us.debian.org
20:39.49Braindeadhelo: eject -t
20:39.53SimAtWorki take it this is not normal?
20:40.27SimAtWorkif i stop it and start it again it goes fast for about 3 seconds and then slows right down again
20:40.38BraindeadSimAtWork: that's what mirrors are for
20:40.38viqas_day-walker_: one sec
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20:40.57_day-walker_viqas: sure... i'm here... but sometimes away ^^
20:41.13viqas_day-walker_: im putting my thingie in paste bin
20:41.22_day-walker_kk
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20:42.13amphiton: no, make a new one
20:42.13texasmynstedThank you to everyone who helped
20:42.18SimAtWorkBraindead: is there a tool to help you pick a mirror (similar to gentoo's mirror select tool that'll test a few and recommend one)
20:42.27Braindeadnetselect-apt
20:42.35vin`SimAtWork: or apt-spy
20:42.40lirancydork: you around?
20:43.06secherIs anyone else getting "Couldn't connect to session bus : Unable to determine the address of the message bus" when starting xchat?
20:43.35texasmynstedalso found an alternative I will try as well...
20:43.49texasmynstedI hope this is not off topic.   http://buildroot.uclibc.org/
20:43.49viqas_day-walker_: sorry...kinda gave up on pastebin  http://www.nakedsoul.org/xorg.conf
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20:44.30SimAtWorkhrm
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20:44.38SimAtWorkthe sweden server is super fast for me...
20:44.44SimAtWorkodd seeing that i'm in north america!
20:45.15_day-walker_viqas: Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
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20:45.20_day-walker_try to delete the 0's
20:45.47secherSimAtWork: not really.. it depends on how close your server is to a main pipeline.  I get screaming fast speeds from a few European servers.
20:45.48_day-walker_and in the monitor section... sure, these are your monitors data?
20:46.11viqashm
20:47.12viqasnot sure but i have used them for a while,  youre tablking about the horizontal sync and vert?
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20:47.47_day-walker_viqas: yes
20:48.10viqasits working right now
20:48.17viqasi will have to find the manual for the monitor
20:48.30_day-walker_k
20:48.42viqasi mean
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20:48.48viqasi have x running right now on those settings
20:49.18_day-walker_hm... so u just need to get the 3d acceleration?
20:49.25viqasyeah
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20:49.30viqasi want to be able to play quake 3
20:49.53_day-walker_hmm... do u have the kernel modules?
20:50.14_day-walker_i think, the ati driver needs to have compiled kernelmodules...
20:50.25_day-walker_i cant remember it.
20:50.52viqas_day-walker_: http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-archive/msg00277.html  <-- i followed that
20:51.07viqas_day-walker_: but i left out this part:    ln -s lib /usr/X11R6/lib64
20:51.46_day-walker_oh, i see
20:51.55_day-walker_i have never done it on this way
20:52.01viqas_day-walker_: maybe i should reinstall debian and try it all from scratch, im just confused, i can do nvidia drivers easily with my eyes closed but the drivers from ati's website gives me errors left and right
20:52.14viqas_day-walker_: what did you do
20:52.18vin`does ipodlinux.org work?
20:52.19_day-walker_i always used to leech the ati drivers...
20:52.31viqasdid you compile your own kernel?
20:52.34_day-walker_sure
20:52.46viqasoh i guess that makes things easy
20:52.54_day-walker_:)
20:53.02_day-walker_maybe u should try
20:53.29viqasyeah
20:53.50_day-walker_try  to find a good howto, and try :)
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20:54.18mcquaidhow do I list the permissions of / ?
20:54.34stewmcquaid: "stat /" or "ls -ld /"
20:54.46mcquaidthanks stew
20:55.06viqas30 gigs of music 40 gigs of movies =/
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20:55.41TonyStarkgoodevening
20:55.43_day-walker_ah c'mon... nobody needs a life ^^
20:56.07TonyStarksi'mo looking fora videocam, a dv one, and I would like to know some opinions.. anybody?
20:56.10_day-walker_viqas: i have a server running for my music
20:56.22viqaswho pays your powerbill
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20:56.43viqasmy desktop is pretty much my server
20:56.45_day-walker_^^ just a 350 mhz celeron...
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20:57.46dfghMy webserver works fine and I can access it externally through my new domain. However, sometimes it won't respond. I have to ping a random page from the server, before I can access it externally again. Problem doesn't occur within the network. Any ideas?
20:57.49mcimh, I run fsck.ext2 and ext3 and the I still can't remount the drive rw. any ideas?
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20:58.30viqasis it easy to use an all in wonder card with mythtv?
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20:58.35_day-walker_mci: what drive is it?
20:58.54_day-walker_viqas: your card?
20:59.04mciIDE
20:59.16mci# mount -n -o remount,rw /
20:59.19_day-walker_viqas: i never played with mythtv
20:59.28mcimount: block device /dev/hda2 is write-protected, mounting read-only
20:59.36mciblockdev --setrw /dev/hda2 doesn't work, too
20:59.42viqas_day-walker_: 9800 pro all in wonder
20:59.48mcihdparm -r /dev/hda2 says Off
21:00.01_day-walker_viqas: try to use the ati driver, and compile your kernel ^^
21:00.11_day-walker_mci: powerplug? ^^
21:00.28mcipowerplug??
21:00.38_day-walker_the harddrive is plugged in? it has power?
21:00.42mciit's a remote machine (ssh only), how can I avoid that the fsck during boot fails again and the server does not boot?
21:00.43_day-walker_but nvm... was just a joke
21:00.58viqas_day-walker_: well the drivers from ati's site install now
21:01.04_day-walker_mci hmm... shut him down correctly ^^
21:01.17mci_day-walker_, its a remote machine I don't know
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21:01.37_day-walker_mci: not sure... but usually it wont fail
21:01.48_day-walker_mci: in case, everything is set up correctly
21:02.25mciwell I try but I prefer I could write to the disk before reboot
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21:02.46texasmynsteddfgh: when you say externally, do you mean through vpn?
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21:03.08_day-walker_well dudes... i'm kinda afk now
21:03.15_day-walker_o/ c ya
21:03.21mcithx
21:03.28mcixya
21:03.29mcicya
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21:04.39secherHrm.  There's a documentation site that has their docs divvied up into about 2 paragraphs per page.  I need to be able to look at them offline.  How would I go about getting all of the pages locally, other than manually going to each page and saving it?  Slightly OT, sorry.
21:04.39cyberkniIs there a way to make "apt-get u
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21:04.58cyberkniIs there a way to make "apt-get update" only check a specified repository?
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21:05.52_day-walker_cyberkni: comment out any other repo in the sources.list
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21:06.37SubStackcursed libpthreads-dev
21:06.40SubStackbroke my g++
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21:07.03SubStackshould probably file a bug report or something
21:07.54cyberkni_day-walker_ : Any other way? unfortunately I cant get away with that. Something from the CLI?
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21:08.47Guerincyberkni: no.
21:09.08Guerincyberkni: other than commenting a repo, or writing another sources.list and telling apt to use that
21:09.21Guerinthe question is why you'd want to
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21:09.59mhbhello debian users and friends
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21:10.27Cooner750Will my "0000:00:08.0 Communication controller: Conexant HCF 56k Data/Fax Modem (rev 08)" work in Debian? Planning on using it for Caller ID
21:10.43disposablei'm running uptodate etch. i installed kwlan but when i run it, i get "KWlan was unable to 'create kwlan dialup peer directory'"  When i click ok and try to configure it anyway, i get "could not store wpa configuration". When i run it as root, i only get the "could not store wpa configuration" message. google has nothing about this
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21:10.45Cooner750that's from lspci, but how can I tell that it really "installed" it?
21:10.47mhbI need advice from you, but no technical support ... what are the default home directory permissions?
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21:11.15disposabledisposable: the actual question is: what do i do? :)
21:11.19mhband are users able to see each others home dir?
21:11.22GuerinCooner750: google 'conexant winmodem linux'
21:11.26disposablethe actual question is: what do i do? :)
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21:11.57Guerindisposable: not use kwlan?
21:13.40disposableGuerin: if that were a logical path, i would have ditched linux 6 years ago :)
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21:13.41Guerin!gui tools
21:13.41dpkgDon't use gui tools for diagnostics or maintenance unless you have absolutely no choice. Console-based tools give much more useful and sane feedback, and often are more configurable.
21:13.41Guerindisposable: ↑ goes double for kde/gnome tools
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21:13.56disposableGuerin: thank you for the unwanted info. you have qualified for my /ignore list
21:14.12Guerin!win me
21:14.13dpkgCongratulations, guerin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
21:14.25_day-walker_lol
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21:15.34Guerin!say disposable: try strae(1)ing the kwlan process to see what dir it can't create, and check the BTS.
21:15.34dpkgdisposable: try strae(1)ing the kwlan process to see what dir it can't create, and check the BTS.
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21:15.43Guerinbeh, strace
21:15.50gallushi everybody
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21:17.03gallusI have installed new nvidia original driver but when I reboot the system I need to reinstall because 2 file in /usr/lib/tls are removed
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21:17.34dfghtexasmynsted: when I say externally, I mean outside the network using my new domain.. so everything is probably set up correctly.
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21:18.10SnarceZhi all
21:18.12SubStacksomeone with nothing better to do should install libpthreads-dev and see if it breaks g++
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21:18.30SnarceZI would like to install beryl on unstable...
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21:18.48SnarceZbut everywere i look i only find ubuntu guides
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21:18.58SnarceZis it possible?
21:19.02gallusthere is a message that says "removing nvidia TLS link..."
21:19.04_day-walker_SnarceZ: i imagined the same...
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21:19.59_day-walker_SnarceZ: seems like there is no howto for debian, yet... try to wait for xorg 7.1
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21:20.54GuerinSnarceZ: if you think you're hard enough, you can try one of the following: 1. install the ubuntu howto 2. build the ubuntu source packages, if they exist 3. build upstream source
21:21.12GuerinSnarceZ: none of these are supportable in #debian and all are likely to Break Shit Bad
21:21.27galluswhy the system remove tls file?
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21:21.35h3sp4wnSnarceZ: use the kanotix packages for unstable
21:21.37Gueringallus: nvidia is horribly broken.
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21:22.02orestyle3Is there a good apache2 ssl setup site for Debian anyone can refer me too?
21:22.04gallusGuerin: what you mean?
21:22.18Gueringallus: what is unclear about 'horribly broken'?
21:22.26gallusGuerin: debian package or nvidia original file?
21:22.30Guerinorestyle3: httpd.apache.org
21:22.42Gueringallus: nvidia in gnereal
21:22.44jugglinx_hmm, i cant install nvidia in the debian way... the repos i see didnt work ( at least for me )
21:23.03cydorkjugglinx_, which version of debian? etch?
21:23.05jugglinx_it s broke for me also Guerin :-/
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21:23.15jugglinx_yep, cydork
21:23.19gallusGuerin: but If I reinstall each time i boot my system everything works fine
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21:23.36cydork!etch nvidia
21:23.37dpkgAs of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from  http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7.
21:23.48Gueringallus: see? Broken.
21:25.47cydorkjugglinx_, but i really dont recommend unstable packages :P
21:25.48jugglinx_cydork, thats the repo i was trying to...
21:25.48gallusGuerin: the problem is that the system remove my files
21:25.48Gueringallus: find out what removes it and fix it
21:25.48Gueringallus: or replace the files
21:25.49gallusGuerin: removes I have find what the system remove
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21:25.53xittumwas the nvidia drivers removed from etch because the exploit/security issue?
21:26.22stewxittum: the exploit was not known in april when it was removed
21:26.28gallusGuerin: the system removes files from /usr/lib/tls directory
21:26.32Guerinxittum: check debian-devel-announce or such
21:26.52Gueringallus: so you said. find wout WHAT removes it. "the system' is not an answer.
21:26.54xittumGuerin: i used to read weekly news.. but
21:27.13cydork!why is nvidia-glx not in testing
21:27.13dpkgnvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx
21:27.16cydorkxittum, ^^
21:27.36xittumyup
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21:28.05gallusGuerin: at the end of boot sequence "removing nvidia TLS link..."  is the message that appear
21:28.06mhbwhat are the default permissions of the home directory in Debian?
21:28.09LeVAanyone has an idea how to fix 'analog', so it won't produce broken characters from the httpd logs if it contains stuff like this: "http://www.google.com/search?q=var%A1zsfuvola" ?
21:28.17Gueringallus: find out WHAT SCRIPT DOES IT
21:28.27Gueringallus: don't tell me, use the information to fix it.
21:28.48Gueringallus: hint: grep /lib/tls /etc/init.d/* # might be a start
21:28.55stewmhb: 755
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21:31.07gallusGuerin: find
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21:33.21gallusGuerin: I have found the problem
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21:35.06gallusthe problem is that there are two script in /etc/init.d/ that remove files of not right version
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21:35.24gallusfiles are nvidia-glx*
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21:39.40chafehow do i enable NTP time sync?
21:39.40gallusGuerin: thank you very much
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21:39.42FrFluffyBottomHi all, this is perhaps a basic linux command line question. Using bash is there an easy way I can recursively delete a bunch of files from a load of directories?
21:39.42gallusi try to reboot
21:39.42FrFluffyBottomI copied a load of photos from a memory stick and I have a ton of Thumbs.db and want to delete them all
21:39.42paraschannel, is sata hard disk 's device name is sda or hda in debian etch beta3 ?
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21:39.42chaferm
21:39.42chaferm -r
21:39.42chafeor rm -rf
21:39.42FrFluffyBottomYeah... rm works well, but they're in lots of directory
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21:39.53chafe-r is recruisive FrFluffyBottom it will delete child directories
21:40.03FrFluffyBottomI don't want to delete directories
21:40.04damag0rhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/10/msg02592.html <-- anyone have any clue?
21:40.04stewFrFluffyBottom: find -name Thumbs.db -print0 | xargs -0 rm
21:40.09chafeoh
21:40.11GuerinFrFluffyBottom: find /foo -name 'Thumbs.db'
21:40.14FrFluffyBottomThanks stew, that's what I want :-)
21:40.16Guerinbeh, stew beat me to it
21:40.26chafenice tip stew
21:40.52chafehow to i turn on NTP for syncing with internet time?
21:41.20stewchafe: /msg dpkg ntp
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21:42.07chafedpkg:
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21:42.28FrFluffyBottomI also want to do similar with a file type (*.jpg), when I substitute that in the find it doesn't work
21:42.36mortal5does anyone know if it's possible to take two disks, rip iso's off of them, combine them, and burn it to a dvd?
21:42.57GuerinFrFluffyBottom: man find
21:43.08GuerinFrFluffyBottom: see how to specify a filename glob
21:43.11dondelelcaroFrFluffyBottom: man xargs; and man rm; those will all help you.
21:43.15FrFluffyBottomOh, nm, it worked.
21:43.19FrFluffyBottomThanks :-)
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21:43.35FrFluffyBottomYeah, now I know the basic syntax tweaking find etc I can do by myself. Cheers
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21:44.49stewFrFluffyBottom: you'll want to enlose *.jpg in quotes so that your shell passes it to find without trying to expand it
21:45.05elifhello all, I would like to switch the languague of my system, it seems it was to be as easy as set the LC_* variables of my system, but it turns that nothing change ( And I used locale-gen for the target language) any one to help ?
21:45.07Guerinmortal5: you can copy the files off the isos, combine them, and use mkisofs to make a new iso of them
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21:47.33h3sp4wnmortal5: or use unionfs if you are lazy (like me)
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21:48.00h3sp4wnmortal5: (mount both the iso's loop - use unionfs to bridge the 2 - make a new iso)
21:48.08kreshnikdoes X discussion have own irc cahnnel ??
21:48.22gallusGuerin: I have solved my problem
21:48.28Guerinkreshnik: #xorg, i believe
21:48.31Gueringallus: huzzah!
21:48.42Gueringallus: file a bug
21:48.50kreshnikGuerin, i have xf86
21:49.04Guerinkreshnik: there might still be an #xfree86
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21:49.31nilesmy file is not printin g
21:49.41gallusGuerin: I have removed nvidia-glx that remove files reinstalled the driver and now it works
21:49.47nilesyet i have a printer configured and selected it with my work processor.
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21:49.54nileswhat the hell is going on here!!!
21:50.03Guerinniles: localhost:631 in a browser
21:50.12gallusGuerin: I don't know how to file a bug
21:50.41Gueringallus: reportbug
21:50.59diebHelllo all, i'm unable to set the proxy settings while installing sarge on pa-risc on the second step (after the reboot). What's very strange is that on the first step it accepted it. I'm installing via network.
21:51.05diebany ideas?
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21:52.03gallusGuerin: I have never used it :(
21:52.06diebIt seems that it does not accept spaces in the username
21:52.25kreshnikcan someone check what i problem in my XF86Config-4 file... MY laptop is Compaq presario 2100 (model 2165EA)   http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/e4SouT43.html problem is that mplayer dont work in full screen..
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21:52.39cydorkhey guys debian search engine :P http://google.com/coop/cse?cx=015912627600467961994%3Asvksmq6yunw
21:53.28gallusGuerin: I install the package
21:53.30Guerindieb: spaces in usernames is *stupid*
21:53.41gallusGuerin: may i use report bug online?
21:54.01Gueringallus: installreportbug and type 'reportbug' in a shell
21:54.11infernixxxxI am trying to get an NFS client to talk to my nfs server on sarge; however, this windows NFS client insists on authenticating through either PCNFSD, NIS or LDAP. I've no clue how to run pcnfsd (deprecated?), I set up NIS but it doesn't seem to want to authenticate against it, and LDAP is a bit too much. Is there a way to run pcnfsd on sarge, or is there an NFS client for windows (XP) that just works[tm]?
21:54.50diebGuerin: i'm not the decision maker for my company..
21:55.10chafeoh god
21:55.22gallusGuerin: the problem is that I have non mail configure on this pc
21:55.34Ronindieb: explain to the ptb the problem and have a solution that costs them nothing ready?
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21:56.44Gueringallus: you can save it as a text file and mail it from anywhere you like
21:56.55gallusfantastic :)
21:56.56diebRonin: to my company?
21:57.16gallusGuerin: I take a look
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21:57.30LifeStragleranyone know were i can find info on how to configure bind so ns1 and ns2 are on same server but different public ip
21:57.57Guerinthat's really stupid
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21:58.51LifeStragleryeah but considering we only have 1 box who cares if 1 goes down cause u couldnt access it anyways
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21:59.39LifeStraglerand its only temporary for a month or two
22:00.08h3sp4wnLifeStragler: well just use 1 then (if you are going to use 2 - the ripe rules anyway state they have to be in different physical locations for any real benefits)
22:01.11LifeStraglerh3sp4wn i would but the problem is that the domain registars requires us to use 2 ns and different ip's
22:01.32LifeStraglersomeone here at one time gave me a link to do it but i lost it.
22:02.03FrFluffyBottomAnother question someone may be able to answer... Is there a debian aptable tool that'll allow me to convert from wma/wav/ogg etc to mp3?
22:02.06FrFluffyBottomor from those to ogg?
22:02.11FrFluffyBottompreferably console-bsaed
22:02.30h3sp4wnLifeStragler: I would expect that it also specifies those 2 nameservers have to be in different physical locations
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22:03.14LifeStraglernope
22:03.40stewFrFluffyBottom: to ogg yes, but not to mp3
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22:05.34h3sp4wnLifeStragler: which registrar (sounds like a cowboy operation you are in to me)
22:06.04GuerinFrFluffyBottom: converting *from* wma might be tricky
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22:07.13LifeStraglerthey dont specify 2 locations they specify 2 different ip wich could mean 2 different location but thats not the point theres a way to do it and i was asking if anyone knew how.
22:07.46stewLifeStragler: your question is how to make bind listen to more than one ip?
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22:08.14LifeStraglerhow to setup ns1 and ns2 on same server
22:08.37LifeStragleri know its a bad idea ...lol
22:08.48stewLifeStragler: by default bind will listen to every ip address, just add two NS entries each pointing to different ips
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22:08.56GuerinLifeStragler: don't, it's stupid
22:09.05GuerinLifeStragler: i mean, pointless
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22:10.47LifeStraglerany suggestions cause i can set up ns1 on here but zoneedit has a limit on transfer and it will get hit preaty easy
22:11.03stewLifeStragler: what is zoneedit?
22:11.15pickcoderLifeStragler: www.secondary.com
22:11.26LifeStraglerfree dns service that acts a a secondary dns
22:11.43stewLifeStragler: if you have a secondary, why are you setting up ns1 and ns2 on the same ip?
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22:28.14gceany reason why ldd will show "not found" for shared libraries which are sybollically linked to another shared library
22:28.19newbie2123hi how do I test which x server I am running X org or XFree ?
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22:29.42jugglinxhow i can stop x?
22:30.06pickcoderjugglinx: from within, ctrl-alt-backspace
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22:30.59jugglinxpickcoder, but like this kdm keeps jumping... i need to stop it also?
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22:31.29pickcoderjugglinx: go into a shell and kill kdm first
22:31.52jugglinxok thanks :-)
22:32.28stewnewbie2123: "X -version" if the version is 4.xxx its xfree if its 6.xxx or 7.xxx its xorg
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22:33.58newbie2123thanx stew
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22:39.06RixiMis there a channel i can goto that where i can talk to people about debian sgi diskless installs?
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22:40.43nilesi have a job in a print queue but the printer is just sitting there.
22:40.52nilesprinting worked yesterday.
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22:42.35abrotmanflush it .. try again
22:42.58jok345hi
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22:43.16nilesyou mean cancel the job?
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22:43.27abrotmanyes
22:43.50abrotmanperhaps restart the printer daemon
22:43.54nilesok
22:44.03Pryonniles: you're not using CUPS by any chance, are you?
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22:44.17nileswhat ever the defualt is on Debian Sarge 3.1
22:44.23nilesPryon: ^
22:44.26jugglinxhey again! im trying to compile nvidia driver ( in nvidia way ) but it seems that i need gcc 4.1, im using 4.0 but apt says i already have 4.1, how i can tell gcc to use 4.1?
22:44.31nileswhats wrong with cupsd
22:45.03PryonI ask because I'm mostly ignorant about printing, but when I find my printer mysteriously not printing jobs in the queue I'll stop and restart the printer from the CUPS web thingie and more often than not it works.
22:45.07abrotmanCC=<blah> compileaction
22:45.15newbie2123why is there no xorg.conf in my /etc/X11 directory when X seems to be running fine?
22:45.37TonyStarki'm looking for a videocam, a dv one, and I would like to know some opinions.. anybody?
22:45.43jugglinxabrotman that was for me?
22:45.52GoAuLdjugglinx: u have to have kernel + nvidia compiled with same version of gcc
22:45.59abrotmanyes
22:46.00nilesnewbie2123:  do you use xfree86?
22:46.04abrotman!u
22:46.04dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
22:46.05nilesmost likly
22:46.08newbie2123niles no
22:46.35abrotmaniirc .. xorg can probe most of that and get a running session with no conf
22:46.36jugglinxGoAuLd: i dont think it must be the same :-/
22:46.37newbie2123X Window System Version 7.0.0
22:46.38nilesdid you say... ?
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22:46.39niles!moo
22:46.39dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
22:47.21GoAuLdjugglinx: trust me
22:47.33nilesnewbie2123:   if XF86Config-4  exists,  you are useing xfree86
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22:47.42abrotmanniles: or it's leftover
22:47.44nilesedit that instead of xorg.conf
22:47.47nilesyea
22:48.15newbie2123niles "X Window System Version 7.0.0" should be x.org
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22:48.20nilesoh ok
22:48.24newbie2123<PROTECTED>
22:48.29nilesahh
22:48.42jugglinxGoAuLd: then u say that its ask for 4.1 coz the kernel is compiled that way?
22:48.52abrotmanjugglinx: cat /proc/version
22:48.55newbie2123but where is the correct place for xorg.conf?
22:49.01newbie2123etc/X11 ?
22:49.04niles/etc/X11  i belienve
22:49.05GoAuLdjugglinx: probably
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22:49.15abrotman/etc/X11/xorg.conf
22:49.27abrotmannewbie2123: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ?
22:49.51jugglinxabrotman: GoAuLd : the kernel says 4.0.6
22:49.52newbie2123ii  libc6          2.3.6.ds1-4    GNU C Library: Shared libraries
22:50.02jugglinxsorry 4.0.4
22:50.06abrotmanjugglinx: show us the whole line
22:50.10streuner!info libc6 etch
22:50.14dpkglibc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 4586 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB
22:50.16abrotmanthat's etch's
22:50.29jugglinxLinux version 2.6.16-2-k7 (Debian 2.6.16-18) (fs@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.4
22:50.35abrotmanthat's why ...
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22:50.52abrotmanthere's 2.6.17 in etch .. and 2.6.18 in sid
22:51.40jugglinxcan i get it with apt, abrotman ? sorry im really bad with we talk of kernels :-/
22:51.54GoAuLdjugglinx: i saw some important issues related to that kernel, better that you upgrade you gcc to the last version, and recompile kernel + nvidia drivers
22:52.13nilesi dont get that cartoon on  http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
22:52.21GoAuLdjugglinx: apt is a good option too
22:52.25nilesdont most people type with both hands?
22:52.34abrotmanjugglinx: apt-cache search linux-image k7 .. probably you want to install linux-image-2.6-k7
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22:53.31infernaljesusHow can I make my sshd start at boot ?
22:53.47abrotmanwhich version of Debian ?
22:53.50streunerthat's default
22:53.51infernaljesussarge
22:53.52streunerin debian
22:53.53jugglinxok, thanks both of you guys :-)
22:54.02jugglinxwill i need headers also?
22:54.04abrotmaninfernaljesus: dpkg-reconfigure ssh
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22:54.56infernaljesusabrotman, what will that do? my sshd is already installed... it's just that every time my debian computer powers out I have to take my monitor keyboard and mouse down to it to log in as root for sshd to start...
22:55.14abrotmanit will ask you if you want to start it at boot time .. say yes
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22:56.24infernaljesusabrotman, do I have to restart my computer after that ?
22:56.38infernaljesusbecause the way I'm accessing the computer is over ssh ...
22:56.48abrotmanprobably not ... you could /etc/init.d/sshd restart
22:56.57abrotmanbut i don't think you have to
22:57.05jugglinxcya soon ( with a new kernel probably )
22:57.11abrotmanbasically .. next time it boots .. should start sshd magically
22:57.42infernaljesusoh ok... :)
22:57.44infernaljesusthanx
22:57.57infernaljesuscya
22:59.48abrotmanneither one will ever return!
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23:05.00rxkaffeehi, I ran apt-get upgrade and debconf prompted me for several package configuration options, one of which was the keyboard layout(it also mentioned something about the kernel on the same scren, I forgot precisely what though)
23:05.24rxkaffeeproblem is, I selected the wrong keyboard layout, and cannot seem to find my way back to thet debconf selection screen
23:05.24abrotmandpkg-reconfigure console-data
23:05.35rxkaffeethanks :^
23:05.57rxkaffeeerr, thanks:)
23:06.03abrotmanmake sure it works first :)
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23:10.43rxkaffeewill I need to log out, and back in before it takes effect"
23:10.43rxkaffeethat is infact the screen I was looking for :)
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23:21.42abrotmanRichiH: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=388701
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23:27.38streunerabrotman: are you talking to a 'ghost', i cannot see any message of him...
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23:27.57abrotmanstreuner: i was just giving him a url :)
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23:32.23starfishywhat is the proper way to configure debian sid for use of shm?
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23:33.11abrotmaninu|sleep: fix your freaking client
23:33.22starfishythe way the system is currently working i get ENOENT for any shmget operation
23:33.23abrotmanstarfishy: /etc/sysctl.conf
23:33.34starfishyabrotman, thanks
23:33.40abrotmanor should be anyways
23:35.05starfishyi think you are right
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23:35.21starfishyis there a recommended value for kernel.shmmax?
23:35.45abrotman42 .. duh
23:35.59starfishyhehehe, could have thought of that myself ;)
23:36.38abrotmandepends on your application that needs it .. i don't remember the value for oracle offhand .. or pgsql on solaris .. which was the last time i used it
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23:37.38starfishyas far as i can tell the setting in sysctl.conf only influences how much memory is available for shm
23:37.50jelly-homestarfishy: you'd use half or full memory for Oracle, I think.
23:38.08starfishythanks
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23:38.39starfishywhat is the proper way to make the system offer the shm in /dev/shm where shmget seems to expect it?
23:38.53jelly-homeit should just work
23:38.58FuzzyBubblewrapyea
23:39.16starfishyi am not trying to run oracle, but the synaptics driver seems to use shm for communicating with userspace
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23:39.21jelly-homestarfishy: do you have tmpfs mounted on /dev/shm?
23:39.56starfishyno, tmpfs is mounted at /lib/init/rw (as is standard for debian sid)
23:40.23jelly-homestarfishy: well mount another one at /dev/shm and see if it helps
23:40.36starfishyi tried that but apparently it doesnt like to be multi mounted
23:40.41jelly-homesomething like mount tmpfs -t tmpfs /dev/shm
23:40.52starfishyyup, thats what i tried
23:41.14starfishyi think i might be able to just create /lib/init/rw/shm and bind mount that to /dev/shm
23:41.31starfishybut i wanted to know how it is supposed to be done before i start trying to hack it
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23:41.56abrotmanoh .. you don't have an shm at all ?
23:42.06starfishynot at /dev/shm
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23:42.14starfishythe installation is a fairly new sid
23:42.22starfishyabout 6 weeks old and up-to-date
23:42.40abrotmanyay udev!
23:43.10jelly-homestarfishy: that's strange.  I have 3 different tmpfs mount points (/dev for udev, /dev/shm, /tmp) and they all work.
23:43.19dn4wget http://wyldehosting.com/~qwad/mixes/Qwad%20-%20Monday%20Session%20(10-23-06).mp3
23:43.19dn4bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
23:43.19dn4<PROTECTED>
23:43.27starfishyoh, ok, i should try that again
23:43.29jelly-homestarfishy: cat /proc/mounts | grep tmpfs
23:43.32abrotmanescape them ?
23:43.47Davemanevening abrotman :)
23:43.52abrotmanhi Daveman
23:43.53jelly-home!win jelly-home useless use for cat award
23:43.53dpkgCongratulations, jelly-home useless use for cat award! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
23:44.05jelly-homeor something
23:44.06abrotman!uuoc jelly-home
23:44.46phoggthat's the stuff
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23:45.37starfishy/proc/mounts shows /dev/shm as tmpfs but (afaict) only because i tried manually mounting tmpfs there
23:46.05starfishyill reboot to create the standard configuration and then see what /proc/mounts says
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23:49.15starfishyok, /proc/mounts says tmpfs is mounted on /dev/shm too even though it doesnt show up in the output of mount
23:49.25starfishybut the shmgets still fail with ENOENT
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23:52.58starfishyso it's probably a problem of the driver
23:53.02starfishythanks anyway
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23:53.27streuner!ops blackmanheartiez spams us
23:53.28dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: streuner complains about: blackmanheartiez spams us
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23:53.55streunerthanks
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23:55.05mentormode #debian +b ?=*cock*@*
23:55.11elifsomething I feel behave very oddly in `ls' command, when give it -d (only directory) it prints only the "." (dot)... someone has idea if this is strange ? OR its intend to be like that...
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23:55.47mentorelif: That is the correct output for 'ls -d'
23:56.26mentorelif: It doesn't filter by directories; it prints out the entry of the directory named, rather than the entries of the contents
23:56.27elifmentor: why don't print all dirs??
23:56.45mentorelif: If you want only directories, use find.
23:56.46elifthks :-)
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