| 00:02.54 | sid | Are there any free software systems for swipe card hardware/magnetic cards? |
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| 00:03.57 | streuner | dpkg, no cmd: ops (.*?)" is "($problem): <reply>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, greycat, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: $nick complains about: $problem" |
| 00:03.57 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 00:04.17 | mentor | diff? |
| 00:04.33 | pollywog | if my kernel is configured for SMP but my machine has 1 processor, is that going to be a problem? |
| 00:04.55 | streuner | well, someone deleted 'greycat' in the list and make a smile behind EletricElf... |
| 00:05.28 | streuner | mentor: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=cmd:%20ops%20(.*?) |
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| 00:07.21 | abrotman | streuner: i think that was intentional |
| 00:07.40 | mentor | hmm. |
| 00:08.28 | abrotman | streuner: it wasn't a smile . it was a frown |
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| 00:11.39 | liable | wasnt it a :( rather than a smile |
| 00:11.52 | streuner | emotion |
| 00:11.55 | streuner | icon |
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| 00:14.02 | abrotman | liable: tha'ts what i said |
| 00:14.08 | abrotman | streuner: it wasn't ill .. |
| 00:14.20 | abrotman | streuner: it was intentional .. denoting sadness that greycat was gone ... |
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| 00:18.13 | phogg | greycat? gone? |
| 00:18.47 | streuner | phogg: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 00:20.20 | abrotman | streuner: he's still in the list .. |
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| 00:22.57 | streuner | abrotman: i know :-) |
| 00:23.25 | abrotman | wonder if he'd help in an emergency :) |
| 00:24.33 | streuner | if #debian need his help, he prolly wouldn't say no. |
| 00:24.35 | liable | i have seen several people ask him about it in #bash, i dont think he'll be coming back any time soon.. :( |
| 00:24.39 | phogg | streuner: so he's on the list. In what way is he gone? |
| 00:25.02 | abrotman | phogg: he's not here .. ever ... |
| 00:25.02 | streuner | phogg: /msg dpkg fable |
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| 00:26.00 | rxed | Is it possible to apt-get or dpkg Mozilla 2.0? |
| 00:26.13 | abrotman | not yet afaik |
| 00:26.13 | streuner | no |
| 00:26.26 | rxed | ah, that's too bad. |
| 00:26.28 | phogg | abrotman: oh, I see. |
| 00:26.36 | phogg | streuner: thanks for the link |
| 00:26.46 | abrotman | rxed: which feature do you need ? |
| 00:26.59 | liable | shinyness |
| 00:27.00 | rxed | abrotman: nothing in particular. I just wanted version 2.0. |
| 00:27.14 | rxed | :) |
| 00:27.18 | abrotman | oh .. sns syndrome .. |
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| 00:27.27 | rxed | yes, I guess it is. |
| 00:27.39 | liable | nothing wrong with wanting to try it though |
| 00:28.16 | abrotman | meh ... doesn't matter if you don't use FF :) |
| 00:28.39 | rxed | Firefox breaks in to million peaces on a testing when installed using gzip release from their website. |
| 00:28.54 | abrotman | so don't do that ? |
| 00:28.57 | rxed | ya |
| 00:31.26 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 00:31.27 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 00:31.53 | streuner | hm, you have to work tomorrow and are still online? |
| 00:32.45 | streuner | Mi 25. Okt 02:32:45 CEST 2006 |
| 00:33.41 | Guerin | rxed: which version? |
| 00:33.49 | rxed | Guerin: Firefox 2.0 |
| 00:33.54 | Guerin | rxed: new 2.0 release works perfectly for me on sid |
| 00:34.04 | streuner | 2.0 is beta |
| 00:34.04 | Guerin | rxed: is it segfaults, or what? |
| 00:34.11 | rxed | Guerin: cool. |
| 00:34.13 | Guerin | streuner: released yesterday or the day before |
| 00:34.16 | liable | Guerin: is it shiny? |
| 00:34.33 | Guerin | streuner: officially released on 24th, but the binaries were out early, and apparently it's unchanged from rc3 |
| 00:34.36 | Guerin | liable: not really. |
| 00:35.11 | sid | Iceweasel and Icedove for life! |
| 00:35.12 | Guerin | liable: they've moved the 'close tab' x to each tab, instead of having it in the same location |
| 00:35.41 | liable | Guerin: yeah, i had one from exp that did that, that was about the only thing different |
| 00:35.45 | Guerin | sid: are binaries available? |
| 00:36.00 | sid | Guerin: Icedove is already in sid/unstable |
| 00:36.17 | sid | I don't know if iceweasel has binaries, the source is available. |
| 00:36.20 | Guerin | sid: i find debian mozilla p[ackages tend to be broken |
| 00:36.28 | sid | iceweasel _might_ be in experimental, not sure |
| 00:36.31 | Guerin | well, *obviously* the source is available |
| 00:36.35 | Guerin | but I don't use gentoo |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | s/debian mozilla p[ackages/mozilla programs/ |
| 00:36.56 | sid | apt-get build-dep firefox; wget http://gnu.org/iceweasel.tar.gz; etc etc |
| 00:36.57 | Guerin | no, I find the mozilla.org binaries rock-solid |
| 00:37.16 | Guerin | sid: thanks, I know how to build packages; I just can't be arsed and don't see why I should |
| 00:37.19 | streuner | Guerin not all ;-) |
| 00:37.27 | Guerin | I don't use gentoo, after all |
| 00:37.49 | GMouse | Guerin: ebuilds are actually kinda slow to be marked stable. |
| 00:38.16 | streuner | !gentoosmite GMouse |
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| 00:38.29 | GMouse | Nice. |
| 00:38.29 | sid | haha |
| 00:38.56 | GMouse | I don't use it for optimization. I just ...like it. |
| 00:39.03 | Guerin | to make it abundantly clear: i *have* used gentoo, but i *choose* to use debian because it means i *don't* have to build everything from fucking scratch |
| 00:39.10 | sid | I think the gentoo people are smarter. All that compiling terminal spam increases their IQ |
| 00:39.20 | Guerin | frozen mustelids included |
| 00:39.20 | sid | I know when I look at gcc -o lines compiling I feel smarter. |
| 00:39.51 | Guerin | gentoo is fine for control freaks with time on their hands who like fixing breakage |
| 00:39.59 | GMouse | Guilty. |
| 00:40.00 | Guerin | i am not one of those |
| 00:40.11 | streuner | we know that :-) |
| 00:40.13 | Clinton__ | Guerin: I hear ya there! I spent two months on Gentoo, then came back |
| 00:40.17 | GMouse | Thptptptp! |
| 00:40.19 | GMouse | :-p |
| 00:40.24 | Guerin | i used it on my work box for 8 months |
| 00:40.27 | Guerin | with reiser4! |
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| 00:40.51 | Guerin | it wasn't as bad as all that, but on a p3-866 it was hell to install anything |
| 00:41.17 | Clinton__ | Guerin: a week to get a desktop up and running? |
| 00:41.28 | rxed | Is m-a broken with the latest (2.6.18) kernel? |
| 00:41.36 | GMouse | That must have been painful. |
| 00:41.38 | Guerin | Clinton__: no, because I don't use kde/gnome eejicy |
| 00:41.57 | Clinton__ | Guerin: ah good, XFCE4 ? |
| 00:42.06 | Guerin | iw wasn't too bad, but I sure did learn how to use vi because no way in hell was I building emacs on it |
| 00:42.11 | Guerin | Clinton__: evilwm |
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| 00:42.24 | Clinton__ | Guerin: ah! good stuff |
| 00:42.32 | GMouse | I've got a server(-to-be) sitting here at my side, and I want to put Debian on it, but the installer keeps complaining about the ethernet adapter. Could someone perhaps help point me in the right direction with this? |
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| 00:42.46 | Guerin | GMouse: what nic is it? |
| 00:42.54 | blooregard | Does anyone know why when I enable SMP in my kernel it fails to boot with a "No logical volumes found" error. |
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| 00:43.11 | Guerin | blooregard: use a debian kernel |
| 00:43.19 | GMouse | Guerin: I'm having some trouble tracking that down, but I think it's an RTL8101L |
| 00:43.19 | blooregard | I can't |
| 00:43.28 | Guerin | blooregard: whyever not? |
| 00:43.41 | blooregard | my I2O device doesn't work with stock kernels |
| 00:43.43 | Guerin | !think |
| 00:43.43 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
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| 00:43.55 | samuel | sup all |
| 00:44.01 | Guerin | blooregard: which version? |
| 00:44.12 | GMouse | Guerin: Board is 7KM400QP, which has a north bridge of KM400A and a south bridge of a VT8237 |
| 00:44.22 | Guerin | GMouse: lspci |
| 00:44.23 | samuel | im looking to buy a new laptop computer, and i am wondering... amd64 or emt64? what is the better processor? |
| 00:44.30 | abrotman | ask #hardware |
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| 00:44.36 | abrotman | and it's em64t |
| 00:44.41 | elif | If I just set the LC_* system variables, It should then (if I previously generate the compiled form of messages and place it into /usr/share/locale/<lang>/LC*/..) start commands display messages in that language of choice, should not ? |
| 00:44.47 | blooregard | Guerin: I'm using the latest, 2.6.18.1 which works perfectly without SMP. As soon as I enable it, I get the LV error. |
| 00:45.01 | GMouse | Guerin: It's to be headless, and I don't have any extra hardware. I'd have to shut this down and steal the connections to do that. |
| 00:45.07 | Guerin | blooregard: which debian kernel fails? |
| 00:45.22 | Guerin | GMouse: oh. |
| 00:45.36 | Guerin | GMouse: put a spare nic in for s&g? |
| 00:45.42 | blooregard | actually I haven't used a Deb kernel, they were all ubuntu, but I like you guys better so I came here. |
| 00:45.50 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:45.52 | GMouse | Guerin: don't have one of those, either. |
| 00:46.01 | Guerin | GMouse: for shame. |
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| 00:46.22 | GMouse | Guerin: I know. I have far less random hardware than I'd like. |
| 00:46.30 | abrotman | blooregard: go to #ubuntu |
| 00:46.33 | blooregard | like I said though, the kernel works fine without SMP, sees the RAID card, boots up just fine. |
| 00:46.51 | cr3 | how can I call screen to run a command in the background? |
| 00:46.54 | abrotman | go to #kernel for help with your custom kernel .. and #ubuntu for your broken system |
| 00:47.01 | blooregard | tried that |
| 00:47.12 | abrotman | we can't help you |
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| 00:47.38 | Guerin | GMouse: giyf: http://www.beowulf.org/pipermail/realtek/2003-January/001632.html |
| 00:47.44 | sid | cr3: screen man |
| 00:47.59 | sid | cr3: screen man man |
| 00:48.18 | Guerin | sid: put the crack pipe down |
| 00:48.36 | rxed | To whomever has access to apt how-to's: ipw2200 how-to is not working. m-a is officially broken for ipw2200 installation. |
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| 00:48.41 | Guerin | cr3: you want to run a program in screen, and have it detach immediately? |
| 00:48.54 | Guerin | rxed: in which distro? |
| 00:49.06 | rxed | Guerin: whaddya think? |
| 00:49.08 | cr3 | Guerin: if I just run 'screen date', it detaches automatically. is there a way for it to not detach? |
| 00:49.10 | GMouse | Guerin: Nice. How did you find that? I've been futzing with Google all day without anything. |
| 00:49.18 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 00:49.18 | dpkg | <fenix> My discover is problem people!!! Not find ide or scsi automatic <fenix> Help!! Discover Problem!!! PEOPLE!! <asg> fenix: yes discovering people can be a bit disconcerting |
| 00:49.43 | Guerin | GMouse: rlt8101l <- rlt and rtl are common typos |
| 00:49.43 | rxed | Guerin: if by distro you mean release then the answer is 'testing'. |
| 00:49.59 | Guerin | to this day I don't know which is correct; i just typoed it myself |
| 00:50.02 | cr3 | Guerin: yes, I want it to detach immediately |
| 00:50.22 | GMouse | Oh. |
| 00:50.22 | Guerin | rxed: stuff breaks in testing, it'll get fixed. Check BTS and file if necessary. |
| 00:50.24 | GMouse | Huh |
| 00:51.10 | GMouse | Thank you much, Guerin. |
| 00:51.29 | cr3 | Guerin: I looked up "detach" in the manpage and I think what I'm looking for is screen -d -m |
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| 00:53.23 | sid | cr3: Just type screen program; then hold down three keys, control a d |
| 00:53.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/gnomevskde.txt |
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| 00:53.52 | ongeboren | hi, is it possible that when I do man something, the editor that opens the manpage is.. "more" instead of vi/vim and how can I reverse it back to vi ? |
| 00:54.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: is that supposed to be funny ? |
| 00:54.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes |
| 00:54.07 | abrotman | it's just sad |
| 00:54.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: and true? |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | no |
| 00:54.23 | tarzeau | of course it is |
| 00:54.33 | tarzeau | only the blind say no |
| 00:54.55 | cr3 | sid: too much work, I'm calling screen using dsh |
| 00:54.57 | tarzeau | ongeboren: change PAGER |
| 00:54.59 | abrotman | oh ... i forgot .. we're living in tarzeau-world .. cars have concrete tires and drive on rubber roads .. and some tard on IRC said it .. so it must be true |
| 00:55.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: ah well, we'll talk again in 5 years |
| 00:55.31 | ongeboren | tarzeau, like.. the environment var $PAGER ? |
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| 00:55.37 | tarzeau | ongeboren: yes |
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| 00:55.38 | abrotman | if they can't even get their history right .. i won't take much faith in what they say |
| 00:55.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: when what happens ? |
| 00:56.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: when GNOME only sells T-Shirts |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | why is that? |
| 00:56.31 | Guerin | cr3: screen foo & screen -d should work in theory, but doesn't seem to for me |
| 00:56.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.hackerthreads.com/items.asp?CartId={2A4DE29F-FBC3-4D7D-A17B-BE218EVERESTBEB782C}&Cc=GNOME&CatMoveby=0&Nbm=&Pbm=&FromNav= |
| 00:56.38 | ongeboren | humm, right.. but i guess it should not be vi/vim, but something else.. |
| 00:56.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: they do so, on their main page |
| 00:56.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you drunk again ? |
| 00:57.00 | Guerin | cr3: dtach or nohup might be better here |
| 00:57.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: zero alcohol since last friday |
| 00:57.10 | tarzeau | saturday |
| 00:57.16 | ongeboren | something that did have vi commands.. or maybe i'm just not passing the right arguments if i can pass them along.. |
| 00:57.19 | abrotman | okay |
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| 00:58.09 | yassine | is there a template for network setting in debian docs please ? |
| 00:58.18 | tarzeau | yassine: yes, www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 00:58.25 | abrotman | /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:58.51 | yassine | abrotman, there is nothing there only two lines for dhcp |
| 00:58.52 | abrotman | usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz .. maybe ? |
| 00:59.04 | abrotman | yassine: which is probably correct .. what are you looking for ? |
| 00:59.21 | yassine | abrotman, thanks you! |
| 00:59.42 | litage | in aptitude, "=" puts a package on hold. how do you remove a hold? |
| 00:59.47 | cr3 | Guerin: cheers, I'll look into those |
| 00:59.57 | Guerin | cr3: i think you have it right, though |
| 01:00.04 | lunitik | !tell litage about hold |
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| 01:00.15 | lunitik | litage: thats the easiest way :/ |
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| 01:00.56 | cr3 | Guerin: ok, thanks for confirming. I thought I had seen it expressed with a single option, rather than -d -m, but my memory might be failing me once again. thank goodness for manpages and the fine people in #debian :) |
| 01:00.56 | litage | lunitik: thanks, but that doesn't explain how to remove a hold |
| 01:01.15 | lunitik | litage: actually that factoid doesn't appear to say how to reverse it... meh... just substitute hold with install |
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| 01:01.29 | liable | lunitik: mark it for install |
| 01:01.34 | litage | ah |
| 01:01.38 | litage | thanks |
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| 01:01.48 | lunitik | echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections |
| 01:01.51 | abrotman | just install the package .. |
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| 01:02.34 | lunitik | abrotman: that removes the flag too? I thought that keeps the flag, but just upgrades current version... ? |
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| 01:03.01 | abrotman | that sounds silly! |
| 01:03.04 | odla | hi i am trying to use network-manager to manage my wifi but it tells me that it can't find my device. so i looked on the networkmanager website and it shows that my card is supported. it's an orinoco card. any ideas? |
| 01:03.05 | rxed | Is 'etc' directory abbriviation for someting? |
| 01:03.14 | rxed | tmp == temporary |
| 01:03.14 | abrotman | odla: go back to oftc! |
| 01:03.16 | rxed | I get that. |
| 01:03.17 | Guerin | rxed: et cetera |
| 01:03.26 | odla | abrotman: this must be a different abrotman |
| 01:03.40 | rxed | Guerin: I'm not so sure if that's correct. |
| 01:03.50 | Guerin | rxed: I am. |
| 01:03.58 | rxed | Guerin: Why? |
| 01:04.02 | abrotman | odla: don't make me pull out qotd9! |
| 01:04.11 | lunitik | Guerin: what tie does et cetera have with configuration? I'm confused |
| 01:04.12 | odla | :) |
| 01:04.17 | rxed | Guerin: why are you so sure of it? Can you reference an RFC or something? |
| 01:04.24 | abrotman | odla: load your drivers .. put them in /etc/modules |
| 01:04.33 | Guerin | i think it predates rfcs, i've read it someplace |
| 01:04.48 | Guerin | lunitik: it means 'random configs and stuff goes here' |
| 01:04.51 | odla | abrotman: they are loaded by default |
| 01:04.58 | rxed | Guerin: I read it too... old Linux book. However, I'm not so sure that is correct explanation. |
| 01:05.08 | Guerin | http://ask.metafilter.com/mefi/36116 |
| 01:05.21 | abrotman | odla: apparnetly not .. use dmesg to see |
| 01:05.24 | Guerin | that turns up on google and more or less mirrors what I'd heard |
| 01:05.41 | rxed | The story goes that original 'etc' was named et cetra because you would put files in it that wouldn't go any other place. It's just... doesn't make sense. |
| 01:05.44 | odla | abrotman: i'm on my wireless now and i haven't ever had to do modprobe orinoco_cs to start it |
| 01:06.05 | Guerin | rxed: i have a dir called /wtf for that |
| 01:06.10 | tarzeau | rxed: there was a time people put binaries in /etc |
| 01:06.12 | odla | dmesg shows my wireless card |
| 01:06.17 | Guerin | rxed: it's where I mount foreign flash drives and such |
| 01:06.18 | tarzeau | Guerin: not /lol? |
| 01:06.26 | Guerin | tarzeau: surprisingly not |
| 01:06.34 | Guerin | not /omg either |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | odla: then why do you want to configure it ? |
| 01:06.41 | rxed | tarzeau: hrm. interesting. |
| 01:06.48 | odla | abrotman: i'd like to use networkmanager with it |
| 01:06.59 | odla | abrotman: i'd like to know my signal strength |
| 01:07.15 | tarzeau | rxed: then came linux distributions and overstuffed /etc, like SuSE |
| 01:07.28 | abrotman | odla: in gnome or kde ? |
| 01:07.38 | odla | kde |
| 01:07.50 | abrotman | oh .. nfc .. gnome has a little applet to put on a panel .. ask lunitik |
| 01:07.50 | Guerin | fie! |
| 01:07.52 | tarzeau | and i love debconf, --purge removing packages , and configurations stay in debconf |
| 01:07.56 | Guerin | fie upon your KDENESS! |
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| 01:08.18 | lunitik | odla: knetworkmanager is in Sid |
| 01:08.28 | odla | lunitik: that's what i can't get to manage my network |
| 01:08.31 | lunitik | (probably etch by now too) |
| 01:08.36 | odla | lunitik: it refuses to see my device |
| 01:08.46 | abrotman | wait .. something in KDE is broken ?> |
| 01:09.01 | odla | abrotman: it's broken in GNOME too |
| 01:09.06 | abrotman | works for me! |
| 01:09.07 | lunitik | odla: its not NetworkManager's job to keep track of devices... |
| 01:09.16 | odla | at least for the orinoco_cs chipset |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | odla: i use that driver .. works for me |
| 01:09.30 | odla | wtf |
| 01:09.35 | abrotman | in gnome-ish stuff anyways |
| 01:10.14 | lunitik | abrotman: odla is doing something wrong... knetworkmanager and the gnome applet thinger just provide pretty pictures for the backend... |
| 01:10.26 | abrotman | i blame kde! |
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| 01:10.31 | lunitik | abrotman: you would |
| 01:10.37 | odla | lunitik: i just used aptitude to install it |
| 01:10.38 | abrotman | lunitik: he's canadian .. what did you expect? :) |
| 01:10.42 | lunitik | I blame Gnome for that |
| 01:10.44 | odla | oh you fucker |
| 01:10.52 | odla | abrotman: you jersey girl |
| 01:11.00 | abrotman | lunitik: blame gnome for his being canadian ? |
| 01:11.06 | abrotman | odla: i don't live in jersey |
| 01:11.20 | lunitik | abrotman: no, for your utter blindness to functional software |
| 01:11.28 | abrotman | lunitik: it's broken isn't it ? :) |
| 01:11.38 | lunitik | abrotman: no, I'm using it here.... |
| 01:11.42 | abrotman | odla: you just installed them both ? |
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| 01:12.01 | odla | abrotman: i just ran aptitude install network-manager-kde |
| 01:12.04 | rxed | What is the proper way to pronounce 'etc' directory? I allways say 'etsy', not 'ee-tee-cee'. |
| 01:12.11 | abrotman | etsy |
| 01:12.15 | odla | abrotman: but i've tried the gnome network-manager before when i've used gnome |
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| 01:12.25 | rxed | abrotman: interesting. |
| 01:12.31 | odla | abrotman: i head back to the states in december! |
| 01:12.38 | odla | abrotman: no more otters |
| 01:12.38 | dn4 | what extracts a .gz |
| 01:12.44 | abrotman | gunzip |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | odla: you ate them all ? |
| 01:13.08 | lunitik | odla: why on earth would you want to come back here? |
| 01:13.12 | rxed | When Dennis Ritchie was asked what he would do diffrerently regarding the birth of Unix, he said "I would put a 'e' in /tmp" |
| 01:13.17 | rxed | quote. |
| 01:13.17 | abrotman | lunitik: he's not a citizen there |
| 01:13.22 | odla | lunitik: cause i live in edmonton |
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| 01:13.37 | dn4 | thx abrotman |
| 01:13.39 | odla | alberta blows worse than texas |
| 01:13.50 | rxed | abrotman: do you have a long beard? |
| 01:14.00 | abrotman | rxed: no .. i have no beard |
| 01:14.00 | dn4 | odla, longer days aye? |
| 01:14.04 | odla | rxed: that would be ajesusman |
| 01:14.09 | rxed | abrotman: hrm. |
| 01:14.12 | iamtheric | anyone use visualboyadvance? |
| 01:14.15 | GMouse | Oh, before I go and start with that install, if I install something, such as sshd, how do I make sure it starts with the system? |
| 01:14.15 | dn4 | odla, longer darkness this time of year I mean |
| 01:14.29 | abrotman | GMouse: ssh will ask you ... |
| 01:14.31 | rxed | I though all Unix oldtimers have long beards. |
| 01:14.36 | rxed | how times change. |
| 01:14.37 | damag0r | gmouse: are you installing via apt? |
| 01:14.42 | GMouse | will be |
| 01:14.50 | damag0r | if so it should prompt you or automatically add to your rc scripts |
| 01:14.58 | craigevil | !sex |
| 01:14.58 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 01:14.58 | GMouse | Nice. |
| 01:14.58 | damag0r | don't worry about it |
| 01:15.22 | abrotman | lunitik: i'm not 25 |
| 01:15.53 | lunitik | abrotman: you look too young to be an old timer either way :/ |
| 01:15.53 | GMouse | !help |
| 01:15.53 | abrotman | lunitik: look ? |
| 01:15.54 | lunitik | GMouse: /msg the bot |
| 01:16.00 | lunitik | abrotman: you've posted pics of you here... |
| 01:16.05 | abrotman | i have? |
| 01:16.05 | GMouse | thanks |
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| 01:16.08 | rxed | abrotman: you are not 13 are you?? that would just kill my self esteem! |
| 01:16.10 | abrotman | doubtful ... |
| 01:16.11 | lunitik | abrotman: yes... one |
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| 01:16.17 | abrotman | rxed: i'm surely older than you |
| 01:16.18 | Guerin | abrotman: cakebutt |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | lunitik: the cake or the umbrella hat ? |
| 01:16.36 | rxed | abrotman: very funny. |
| 01:16.39 | lunitik | abrotman: I don't recall... was close-up though... |
| 01:16.41 | yassine | abrotman, i only know the hostname,default gateway and the ip of my box where do i get the broadcast from ? |
| 01:16.56 | abrotman | lunitik: probably the umbrella hat .. since damog had posted that on his blog |
| 01:16.58 | Guerin | lunitik: iirc you also have posted steamy pics of yourself |
| 01:17.09 | liable | steamy? |
| 01:17.14 | abrotman | yassine: it's pretty easy .. perhaps you need a networking howto ? |
| 01:17.15 | gravity | gyah |
| 01:17.15 | lunitik | Guerin: I don't know about steamy... but a few..... |
| 01:17.27 | damag0r | yassine: what is your ip and what is your netmask? |
| 01:17.44 | damag0r | yassine: if you tell me those two things I can tell you what your bcast address is |
| 01:18.07 | abrotman | or he could learn how to do it himself :) |
| 01:18.11 | lunitik | abrotman: looked like you're in your 20's, thats all I know... because I remember being surprised that you weren't an old fart :P |
| 01:18.12 | damag0r | actually.. I think it should figure it out for itself.. last time I left bcast without anything and it worked fine |
| 01:18.23 | abrotman | lunitik: i turned 30 three weeks ago |
| 01:18.30 | damag0r | if you put in ip and netmask that's all it should need |
| 01:18.38 | abrotman | it is .. not the point! |
| 01:18.41 | liable | all goes pear shaped from there |
| 01:18.41 | rxed | lunitik: he has no girlfriend or wife, that's the only reason why he looks so young. |
| 01:18.45 | lunitik | abrotman: I was technically correct then I suppose... because this was several months ago :) |
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| 01:19.00 | yassine | ip is 81.209.145.178 the netmask is unknown :s at the moment untill i move to the provider |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | lunitik: i still look to be about 21 or so |
| 01:19.14 | yassine | damag0r, see above please |
| 01:19.33 | damag0r | yassine: are you setting up like a natting router? |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | yassine: if you don't know the netmask .. you won't know the broadcast either .. ask your provider BEFORE you move |
| 01:19.48 | damag0r | is that machine a colo? is it on your home lan? work lan? |
| 01:20.06 | iamtheric | how do i use the gameshark feature under visualboy advance? |
| 01:20.27 | abrotman | isn't that a nintendo thingie ? |
| 01:20.27 | damag0r | if it's home lan you'll probably be doing NAT and that ip isn't needed |
| 01:20.28 | yassine | abrotman, damag0r okay thanks you guys! |
| 01:20.33 | damag0r | you'll be using unroutable ips |
| 01:20.38 | iamtheric | yeah |
| 01:20.45 | abrotman | iamtheric: why are you asking here ? |
| 01:20.47 | iamtheric | its a gameboy emu |
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| 01:20.50 | yassine | and gn8 everyone ! |
| 01:21.08 | iamtheric | theres over 600 people in here |
| 01:21.16 | abrotman | is it packaged for debian ? |
| 01:21.17 | iamtheric | somebody oughta know |
| 01:21.27 | abrotman | nm |
| 01:21.36 | iamtheric | yeah its in the repo |
| 01:21.42 | damag0r | if you need help with an emulator... even if it is a debian package |
| 01:21.51 | damag0r | find some emu website and/or forum |
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| 01:21.57 | rxed | is USR pronounced as 'oozer'? |
| 01:22.05 | k-man_ | how do i find out which package owns a particular file? |
| 01:22.29 | rxed | :) |
| 01:22.29 | damag0r | rxed: probably YOOO ESSS ARRR |
| 01:22.29 | rxed | I am so bored. |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | rxed: user |
| 01:22.46 | rxed | abrotman: ty. |
| 01:22.47 | abrotman | k-man_: dpkg -S |
| 01:22.51 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 01:22.51 | lunitik | abrotman: http://members.cox.net/lunitik/trey3.jpg <-- 22 ... mid-late 20's more like, which is about right :) |
| 01:23.06 | abrotman | lunitik: what? ... no beard? |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | and a receding hairline! |
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| 01:23.25 | lunitik | abrotman: I have one atm actually... thats fairly old :/ |
| 01:23.29 | ongeboren | humm, strange.. for some reason man something, just displays the whole text into the standard output.. only by doing "man ssh | view -" one may catch the manpage into vim.. any idea how to put this in the $MANPAGER or $PAGER ? |
| 01:23.42 | rxed | lunitik: you need to eat more, or stop taking crack. one of the two. |
| 01:24.00 | CHodapp | you heard rxed... take more crack. |
| 01:24.04 | lunitik | rxed: both* |
| 01:24.19 | damag0r | I LOVE smoking crack |
| 01:24.23 | rxed | lunitik: maybe you should consider changing your nick to 'rxed2' :-) |
| 01:24.27 | abrotman | oh goodie |
| 01:24.27 | lunitik | rxed: although not crack when that was taken... tweak |
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| 01:25.20 | ongeboren | actually how do i remove the program called "more" ? |
| 01:25.28 | lunitik | damag0r: bah... 20-30 mins high... gets tedious smoking every time you get sober :/ |
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| 01:25.38 | damag0r | uhh |
| 01:25.44 | lunitik | tweak = 7-24 hours... but is a dirty high |
| 01:25.46 | iamtheric | but nobody knows about VBA? |
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| 01:25.50 | damag0r | ongeboren: why would you want to do that? |
| 01:25.54 | abrotman | ongeboren: find the package it belongs to .. remove it |
| 01:26.02 | damag0r | more importantly |
| 01:26.04 | abrotman | iamtheric: maybe ask the mailing list ? |
| 01:26.06 | damag0r | why would you want to remove more? |
| 01:26.09 | lunitik | ongeboren: dpkg -S /usr/bin/more |
| 01:26.26 | lunitik | ongeboren: you don't want to remove that package |
| 01:26.28 | iamtheric | my connect times out 70% of the time |
| 01:26.36 | ongeboren | because i can't prevent man something opening the manpage with more instead of vi/vim |
| 01:26.56 | abrotman | dude .. change the freaking pager using update-alternatives |
| 01:27.06 | lunitik | ongeboren: uhh... /bin/more even... \ |
| 01:27.09 | ongeboren | and it's something recent from 1-2 weeks ago.. before it wasn't like this |
| 01:27.30 | abrotman | # update-alternatives --list pager |
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| 01:27.59 | damag0r | actually |
| 01:28.06 | dn4 | 0% [Waiting for headers] |
| 01:28.07 | damag0r | I thought by default in debian, man used less |
| 01:28.08 | damag0r | not more |
| 01:28.11 | damag0r | and with less |
| 01:28.14 | damag0r | you can scroll up and down |
| 01:28.19 | damag0r | 'u' scrolls up |
| 01:28.37 | ongeboren | abrotman, update-alternatives --list pager shows indeed more .. |
| 01:28.43 | damag0r | on some systems more is just a symlink to less |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | ongeboren: does it show less ? |
| 01:28.55 | lunitik | damag0r: if you install less, then its the default, yes |
| 01:29.05 | ongeboren | abrotman, /bin/more |
| 01:29.06 | Kurtism | how do I switch debian over to a kernel that uses a larger stack |
| 01:29.12 | Kurtism | I want more than 4k stack size |
| 01:29.14 | dn4 | So Does anyone know of a good mapping program on linux that is like google earth except you can draw and map different locations |
| 01:29.22 | ongeboren | the less package was easy to get rid of :) |
| 01:29.31 | damag0r | kurtism: download the source and compile it yourself |
| 01:29.39 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.48 | lunitik | ongeboren: why do you want to get rid of less? |
| 01:29.52 | damag0r | ongeboren, I think in the future you'll really miss having more installed... |
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| 01:29.59 | abrotman | dn4: roadnav .. kind of |
| 01:30.01 | Kurtism | is there a debian precompiled kernel with a biggers than 4k stack? |
| 01:30.05 | damag0r | what if you want to do an ls -al on a bigass directory? |
| 01:30.11 | abrotman | Kurtism: don't do that |
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| 01:30.14 | Kurtism | ndiswrapper suggests a bigger than 4k stack |
| 01:30.21 | FreakerJim | Hola all |
| 01:31.04 | lunitik | damag0r: use less... more is annoying |
| 01:31.16 | damag0r | that's a matter of opinion |
| 01:31.19 | damag0r | but I like less better |
| 01:31.25 | dn4 | abrotman, sweet thx |
| 01:31.26 | damag0r | except for the fact it likes to clear the screen |
| 01:31.27 | Kurtism | abrotman: why not? |
| 01:31.27 | damag0r | when you exit |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | Kurtism: repeat after 10 seconds ? |
| 01:31.41 | damag0r | ask some old solaris freak and they will diss less up and down |
| 01:31.46 | damag0r | "what's wrong with more?!?!" |
| 01:31.47 | damag0r | etc |
| 01:31.50 | Kurtism | oh |
| 01:31.52 | lunitik | damag0r: fact... if you go past something by mistake, you have to exit more and re-run command... |
| 01:32.04 | lunitik | damag0r: I'd say thats the definition of annoying |
| 01:32.09 | ongeboren | abrotman, i'm confused.. http://rafb.net/paste/results/2Q0VD764.html |
| 01:32.24 | abrotman | ongeboren: pick 2 |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | erm .. wait |
| 01:32.33 | Kurtism | I thought you were saying don't use a bigger than 4k stack |
| 01:32.34 | abrotman | ongeboren: you don't have less installed .. |
| 01:32.52 | lunitik | abrotman: I think his issue is because he removed less as previously stated... and he doesn't realize that is what changed the behavior |
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| 01:33.02 | ongeboren | abrotman, is less the default one.. the one havind vi-like search shortcuts ? |
| 01:33.11 | lunitik | ongeboren: yes |
| 01:33.19 | ongeboren | oh |
| 01:33.20 | abrotman | ongeboren: less isn't installed . install the less package |
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| 01:33.47 | lunitik | abrotman: [18:30] <ongeboren> the less package was easy to get rid of :) |
| 01:33.58 | sciboy | Hey guys, just did something really stupid and need some help with the repair, how do i install libc6 into an existing debian installation? |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | yeah .. someone goofed :) |
| 01:34.02 | abrotman | lunitik: i saw that ... |
| 01:34.06 | sciboy | I'm currently running on a Ubuntu live cd. |
| 01:34.18 | damag0r | this isn't #ubuntu!!!! |
| 01:34.23 | Kurtism | !stack |
| 01:34.29 | lunitik | damag0r: re-read the question |
| 01:34.33 | Kurtism | hmmm |
| 01:34.39 | damag0r | I did now |
| 01:34.40 | ongeboren | i never new i was using less the whole time.. |
| 01:34.40 | damag0r | hehe |
| 01:34.42 | Kurtism | !ndiswrapper |
| 01:34.43 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is, like, a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 01:34.44 | abrotman | Kurtism: you'd have to compile your own probably |
| 01:34.44 | sciboy | Chroot ain't going to work, that's for sure. |
| 01:34.48 | lunitik | sciboy: pretty much though, you're fucked... good job |
| 01:34.54 | sciboy | Thanks. =D |
| 01:34.55 | abrotman | !tell Kurtism about ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 01:34.56 | lunitik | sciboy: got install cd's handy? |
| 01:35.02 | FreakerJim | Im new to debian, new to linux in general actually... and wondering how to go from the netinst to updating to testing/unstable. I remember havnig to edit a file, but I dont remember whichone...? |
| 01:35.02 | ongeboren | but.. the question still persists.. how it happened the settings changed by themselves ? |
| 01:35.10 | abrotman | sciboy: do a chroot .. install the bugger |
| 01:35.16 | sciboy | lunitik, not really, but i could just debootstrap from here. |
| 01:35.24 | lunitik | ongeboren: they didn't, you changed them... by removing less |
| 01:35.36 | damag0r | freakerjim: sources.list ?? |
| 01:35.41 | sciboy | abrotman: For some reason, the lack of libc6 on the target machine makes chroot not work. |
| 01:35.50 | ongeboren | lunitik, i removed it after the problems started.. |
| 01:35.51 | zanpakuto | FreakerJim, /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 01:35.56 | abrotman | sciboy: did you remove the package .. or the files ? |
| 01:35.57 | FreakerJim | Thank you guys so much |
| 01:36.04 | sciboy | abrotman: Package. |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | !tell FreakerJim about sarge->etch |
| 01:36.18 | abrotman | sciboy: why the hell did you do that ? |
| 01:36.25 | ongeboren | lunitik, and when reading the fscking google didn't help either, i came here.. |
| 01:36.29 | iamtheric | enis you in here? |
| 01:36.36 | FreakerJim | thanks abrot |
| 01:36.44 | sciboy | A very odd dependency conflict i didn't read over well enough. =| |
| 01:36.55 | ongeboren | humm, this thing is still displaying the whole manpage as if i did cat filename |
| 01:37.17 | sciboy | Can't i run dpkg and specify a root folder? |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | sciboy: anyways .. you can extract the package manually .. and put the files in place .. once you have that done .. chroot .. then apt-get --reinstall install libc6 |
| 01:37.38 | sciboy | abrotman: Okay. |
| 01:37.44 | abrotman | ongeboren: what's your terminal emulator ? |
| 01:37.58 | sciboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.02 | sciboy | Maybe not... |
| 01:38.04 | ongeboren | gnome terminal |
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| 01:38.43 | h3sp4wn | sciboy: that should work (I have used it before) |
| 01:38.54 | abrotman | sciboy: or that ay |
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| 01:39.08 | sciboy | Now to grab the package, is libc6_2.3.6.ds1-7_amd64.deb right for amd64 etch? |
| 01:39.16 | twobitsprite | you all are probably tired of this question, but... any idea when firefox 2.0 will be in testing? |
| 01:39.33 | abrotman | never ? |
| 01:39.45 | abrotman | sciboy: seems right |
| 01:39.46 | sciboy | All hail the mighty iceweasel!!1 |
| 01:39.50 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 01:39.55 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 4586 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 01:40.02 | abrotman | sciboy: erm .. no .. not that one |
| 01:40.33 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=amd64&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fg%2Fglibc%2Flibc6_2.3.6.ds1-4_amd64.deb&md5sum=509ce0bd3b1ec327483410d39b562ffc&arch=amd64&type=main |
| 01:40.41 | twobitsprite | abrotman: never firefox 2.0? |
| 01:40.54 | sciboy | Thanks. |
| 01:40.57 | abrotman | twobitsprite: it'll probably be iceweasel .. and no idea when .. when it gets there |
| 01:41.16 | twobitsprite | abrotman: never heard of it... care to give me a synopsis? |
| 01:41.30 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 01:41.31 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 01:41.37 | abrotman | and get out from under that rock :) |
| 01:42.05 | twobitsprite | abrotman: right on, thanks... and, I'll try :) |
| 01:42.45 | ongeboren | abrotman, closing and reopening the gnome terminal solved it.. |
| 01:42.54 | abrotman | good deal |
| 01:43.03 | abrotman | twobitsprite: it's been on every major web news outlet |
| 01:43.23 | abrotman | and defintely geek web news sites |
| 01:44.08 | odla | icedove |
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| 01:44.25 | ongeboren | iceweasel sounds gay :) |
| 01:44.34 | abrotman | !tell ongeboren about gay |
| 01:44.42 | twobitsprite | !gay |
| 01:44.42 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 01:44.58 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 01:45.01 | twobitsprite | just curious |
| 01:45.12 | ongeboren | heh |
| 01:45.45 | twobitsprite | does firefox sound straight? |
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| 01:46.10 | odla | who cares? |
| 01:46.28 | twobitsprite | ... because I think it sounds curvy |
| 01:47.01 | ongeboren | abrotman, thanks for the manpage help.. i was really lost. |
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| 01:47.15 | abrotman | ongeboren: all you did was close the terminal ? |
| 01:47.51 | odla | kdenetworkmanager...why do you lie and tell me no device found? |
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| 01:48.06 | ongeboren | abrotman, after i selected less as being the 'alternative' or whatever this was.. update-alternatives --config pager |
| 01:48.19 | sciboy | "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new post-removal script: No such file or directory" |
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| 01:48.27 | sciboy | Hmmm... |
| 01:48.28 | abrotman | ongeboren: ah ok |
| 01:48.51 | Mutiny_ | hello! is there an easy way, say with apt-get, to install the older XFree86 4.3 on a freshly installed Debian Etch system? |
| 01:49.07 | odla | Mutiny_: why? |
| 01:49.25 | Mutiny_ | the touch screen i have only has compatible drivers for XFree86 4.3 |
| 01:49.38 | abrotman | gravity: is it possible ? |
| 01:49.40 | Mutiny_ | I trid using them with X.Org but it crashed the server. |
| 01:49.46 | gravity | Not wise |
| 01:49.48 | abrotman | which driver is it ? |
| 01:50.03 | ongeboren | if only i now can remember what i needed man ssh for.. |
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| 01:51.01 | Mutiny_ | hmm |
| 01:51.23 | Mutiny_ | I wish this input driver worked with X.Org, I really don't like having to downgrade back to XFree86 |
| 01:51.23 | sciboy | Fixed |
| 01:51.26 | sciboy | I think... |
| 01:51.40 | abrotman | Mutiny_: which driver ? |
| 01:52.17 | Mutiny_ | it's a driver for an Elo touchscreen. |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | binary only ? |
| 01:52.48 | Mutiny_ | yup |
| 01:53.06 | sciboy | abrotman: Ended up doing dpkg -x libc6*.deb /mnt/hd/ |
| 01:53.11 | Mutiny_ | there are, apparently, x.org apt packages that appear to be for it, but not. |
| 01:53.28 | Mutiny_ | that is to say, don't work |
| 01:53.50 | abrotman | sciboy: does it work now ? |
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| 01:54.09 | abrotman | Mutiny_: so the drivers for xorg are there .. but busted ? |
| 01:54.18 | abrotman | Mutiny_: did you check the BTS ? |
| 01:54.34 | iamtheric | know anygood emulators for gameboy that have gameshark capability? |
| 01:54.38 | Mutiny_ | for example there is an xserver-xorg-input-elo2300 and xserver-xorg-input-eloigraphics but neither appears to work with this newer model "2700" model i have. |
| 01:54.44 | Mutiny_ | abrotman BTS? |
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| 01:54.48 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:54.49 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:54.49 | odla | !bugs |
| 01:54.51 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 01:55.03 | sciboy | abrotman: Fixing up some dependency issue but yeah it does. |
| 01:55.41 | abrotman | sciboy: okay .. don't do that again :) |
| 01:55.59 | sciboy | I'll try not to. D= |
| 01:56.42 | sciboy | Okay, 6th time this ubuntu live cd has saved my ass. |
| 01:56.59 | abrotman | all six were from removing libc6 ? |
| 01:57.14 | sciboy | No, all other equally nice issues. |
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| 01:57.18 | mlowe | sciboy, no profanity pls !! |
| 01:57.19 | dvs | sciboy: live CDs are a good thing, even ubuntu ones! |
| 01:57.21 | sciboy | I've got really bad luck with computers. |
| 01:57.37 | sciboy | Which is why i like linux, atleast i can fix it. =| |
| 01:57.43 | FreakerJim | sciboy: Are you using ubuntu? |
| 01:57.53 | Mutiny_ | heh |
| 01:57.59 | sciboy | Right now, i'm using the live cd, but i'm a Debian user. |
| 01:58.14 | FreakerJim | I just joined the ranks of the Debianites myself ;) |
| 01:58.20 | Mutiny_ | i just apt-get install'd apt-listbugs but i get "W: unsupported proxy 'false'" trying to query it |
| 01:58.22 | odla | oh FFS the minute someone says ubuntu here they get chastized |
| 01:58.35 | dvs | odla: shut up! ;-) |
| 01:58.36 | odla | Mutiny_: why did you install apt-listbugs? |
| 01:58.38 | FreakerJim | ??? I asnt chastising |
| 01:58.40 | odla | :) |
| 01:58.44 | abrotman | odla: you mean ass ? |
| 01:58.47 | FreakerJim | I as asking because ubuntu is how I got started in linux |
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| 01:59.21 | FreakerJim | no chastising from me, Im still too big of a newb ;P |
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| 02:00.00 | sciboy | Okay reinstalling some packages but yeah it's fixed. =) |
| 02:00.03 | odla | rick mercer :D |
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| 02:00.21 | dvs | odla: report! |
| 02:00.23 | Mutiny_ | ahh good ole lynx |
| 02:00.24 | odla | talking to americans :) |
| 02:00.35 | odla | ban the saskatchewan seal harvest! |
| 02:01.07 | sid | What is a good secure web based email system?(that is free software) |
| 02:01.08 | dvs | huh? |
| 02:01.18 | Mutiny_ | "warranty void if seal broken" |
| 02:01.40 | Agrajag- | sid: squirrelmail over https |
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| 02:01.46 | sid | thanks Agrajag- |
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| 02:02.29 | abrotman | odla: he was my professor i think |
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| 02:02.49 | sciboy | Brb, under debian. |
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| 02:02.53 | dvs | abrotman: heh. I hope not. |
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| 02:03.05 | abrotman | http://www.amazon.com/Programming-C%2b%2b-Modifying-Implementing-Classes/dp/1887902392/sr=8-13/qid=1161741764/ref=sr_1_13/104-1463612-4511169?ie=UTF8&s=books |
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| 02:03.08 | abrotman | he wrote that book |
| 02:03.26 | tgelter | hey all - is there an auto-updating kernel package in debian like in ubuntu? ( like apt-get installing "linux686" for example ) |
| 02:03.34 | aFlag | is there a tool that gives me a diff whenever a new package (or the update of a installed one) tries to overide a file I've edited? |
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| 02:04.09 | abrotman | or something like that .. the one we had was white and green |
| 02:04.10 | dvs | abrotman: That's not the Rick Mercer he's referring to: http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/ |
| 02:04.11 | h3sp4wn | aFlag: linux-image-686 (at least in etch and sid |
| 02:04.15 | menko | Hi, I'm trying to read a pdf file with japanese text with xpdf (xpdf-japanese installed), but it the spaces are blank and it outputs: "Error: Missing or invalid Encoding entry in Type 0 font" and "Error: Unknown font tag 'R19'" and "Error: Unknown character collection 'Adobe-WinCharSetFFFF'" |
| 02:04.16 | h3sp4wn | aFlag: (or whatever) |
| 02:04.27 | abrotman | dvs: i don't care! .. he was my prof! |
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| 02:04.42 | aFlag | h3sp4wn, are you sure that package does what I want? |
| 02:05.07 | h3sp4wn | aFlag: Its a metapackage pointing to the latest kernel |
| 02:05.12 | abrotman | dvs: hehe .. i can see the book sitting on my bookshelf even :) |
| 02:05.16 | Xenguy | dvs: abrotman hates Canucks, don't even try ;-) |
| 02:05.26 | abrotman | dvs: yay .. C++ with Borland Turbo C++ 3.x |
| 02:05.32 | dvs | Xenguy: I can tell. No wonder why we banned him. |
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| 02:05.36 | sjr | oeunoeh |
| 02:05.40 | bonez41 | dpkg, email server |
| 02:05.42 | h3sp4wn | aFlag: same thing ubuntu copied |
| 02:05.43 | abrotman | what a horrible f'in book |
| 02:05.43 | aFlag | h3sp4wn, I think you're confusing me with someone else |
| 02:05.45 | Xenguy | dvs: :p |
| 02:05.46 | abrotman | bonez41: use one |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | Xenguy: i do not! |
| 02:06.04 | Xenguy | abrotman: it's true! you know it is!! |
| 02:06.05 | Xenguy | =) |
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| 02:06.23 | bonez41 | abrotman, I am trying to set up something better for my office and home email...I have kids now that want email..and I'd like to be able to keep control of it all both at home and at work |
| 02:06.37 | abrotman | bonez41: so set it up! |
| 02:06.53 | Xenguy | bonez41: spy on them - you want total control! :-) |
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| 02:06.57 | Mutiny_ | what's the method with apt-get to install the older XFree86 4.3 on a freshly installed Debian Etch system? |
| 02:07.05 | sciboy | Whola! |
| 02:07.07 | sciboy | Working debian installation. |
| 02:07.22 | dvs | !beer sciboy |
| 02:07.22 | simonrvn | Mutiny_: you don't |
| 02:07.43 | abrotman | Mutiny_: gravity said it was probably a bad idea .. |
| 02:07.46 | dvs | Whola? What's that? |
| 02:07.59 | Mutiny_ | i found a repository with xfree86 4.3 debs and tried pinning with -t to no avail |
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| 02:08.06 | Mutiny_ | oh yeah it's a totally bad idea! |
| 02:08.14 | Mutiny_ | but i don't have a choice it appears. |
| 02:08.22 | abrotman | don't touch the screen ... |
| 02:08.53 | Mutiny_ | failure is not an option! :) |
| 02:08.57 | Xenguy | dvs: wholattaluv |
| 02:09.07 | Mutiny_ | phew |
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| 02:09.47 | Mutiny_ | i suppose i could reinstall with deb sarge but netinst would just give me xorg wouldn't it? |
| 02:10.06 | abrotman | http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=546151&coll=GUIDE&dl=GUIDE&CFID=4316363&CFTOKEN=46261019 |
| 02:10.08 | bonez41 | Xenguy, they are children..I want to make sure Mr. Slimeball, the Net Predator, isn't messing with my boys.... |
| 02:10.14 | ahlfors | Does this mean something funny is happening with ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 02:10.14 | abrotman | that was totally the book! .. it sucks so bad |
| 02:10.14 | odla` | ok so if knetworkmanager doesn't see my orinoco card...which package should i file a bug under? network-manager-kde? |
| 02:10.15 | ahlfors | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg Server closed the connection [IP: 128.101.240.212 21] |
| 02:10.17 | bonez41 | Xenguy, or Ms. Slimeball too... |
| 02:10.32 | dondelelcaro | bonez41: that's what talking with your children and supervision is for |
| 02:10.47 | dondelelcaro | bonez41: technical solutions don't work, and won't protect your children from themselves. |
| 02:10.49 | bonez41 | abrotman, wlel, that's what I am asking..for references..I use mutt and exim4.....for email...wondering what I could use to enable shared calendars, and such |
| 02:11.01 | abrotman | ical? |
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| 02:11.11 | aFlag | Mutiny_, what do you need xfree86 4.3 for? |
| 02:11.12 | abrotman | i think horde has shared calendars .. but that's DB driven |
| 02:11.12 | Xenguy | bonez41: I'm joking, I know you're concerned, understandably |
| 02:11.15 | bonez41 | dondelelcaro, ok, how about for Sabanes Oxley....compliance.I want to archive it all....and manage that too |
| 02:11.24 | bonez41 | Xenguy, thanks... |
| 02:12.01 | Mutiny_ | because the drivers available for this new model elo touchscreen only support xfree86 4.3 |
| 02:12.01 | dondelelcaro | bonez41: so divert all messages at the MTA into separate mailboxes which cannot be deleted, both for incomming and outgoing mail |
| 02:12.11 | dondelelcaro | ahlfors: ftp.us.debian.org is a whole slew of machines; if one of them is having problems, just try again. |
| 02:12.51 | bonez41 | dondelelcaro, ok, how about mail sent and received at home, can this be routed through my work machine too? |
| 02:13.17 | dondelelcaro | bonez41: egads no. Send it all through an MTA at home |
| 02:13.29 | dondelelcaro | mixing what you do in your house with what you do at work is *bad* |
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| 02:14.03 | Xenguy | bonez41: you can always ssh to home, yes? |
| 02:14.04 | abrotman | that's why i don't do work! |
| 02:14.16 | Xenguy | work is for sissies! |
| 02:14.19 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: at work! not doing work! ;-) |
| 02:14.25 | bonez41 | Xenguy, yeah, I check my office mail from home that way now..... |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | oh! |
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| 02:14.43 | bonez41 | dondelelcaro, so you are saying to set up an email server at home, right? |
| 02:14.46 | dondelelcaro | 'course, I work in a lab, so my home is my lab is my home. |
| 02:15.07 | dondelelcaro | bonez41: yeah, if that's what you want to do. |
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| 02:15.12 | bonez41 | dondelelcaro, My wife runs a business which would be enhanced if I could access her calendar...and schedule stuff...and have it show up in her instance of Outlook...... |
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| 02:15.26 | bonez41 | dondelelcaro, what do you cook up in your lab? |
| 02:15.38 | dondelelcaro | we make lipid membranes |
| 02:15.59 | abrotman | fat skin ? |
| 02:16.45 | abrotman | aren't lipids fats ? |
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| 02:16.57 | bonez41 | lipids are fats...sure... |
| 02:17.04 | bonez41 | just another name for fat |
| 02:17.08 | abrotman | so . making fat skins ? :) |
| 02:17.17 | dondelelcaro | they definetly aren't skin, though |
| 02:17.19 | abrotman | or rather .. fat cell skins |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | isn't the membrane the outer layer of the cell ? |
| 02:17.29 | tgelter | hey everyone. I'd like help setting up my mouse (logitech mx1000) to work under debian. Can anyone help out? |
| 02:17.29 | bonez41 | dondelelcaro, I have some extra fat skin..you can have aobut 30 pounds of mine |
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| 02:17.41 | bonez41 | dondelelcaro, it's prewired, plumbed....and ready to install |
| 02:17.47 | abrotman | so if the membrane is the outer layer .. it'd be like .. fat cell skins! |
| 02:17.59 | dondelelcaro | and adipocytes aren't fibrocytes, either. |
| 02:18.42 | dondelelcaro | well, you could eat what we do... but it'd be frighteningly expensive |
| 02:19.07 | dondelelcaro | something on the order of $4/mg |
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| 02:19.20 | abrotman | that'll get you skinny :) |
| 02:20.43 | tgelter | anyone have experience getting extra mouse buttons working under X 7.0? |
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| 02:26.19 | tarzeau | someone who can help me to get this built? http://80.219.69.249/lud/lonewarrior.tar.gz |
| 02:26.35 | litage | i ran a program through strace, but strace isn't finishing, and i can't kill it with CTLR+C, `skill kill strace`, or `kill 1234`. how can i stop strace? /bin/ps says it's in state "T" which means "Traced or stopped" |
| 02:26.40 | tarzeau | it needs fixes for the library inside the source |
| 02:26.41 | odla | hrm...none of the GUIs seem to see my device :/ |
| 02:26.45 | tarzeau | (just a small Makefile) |
| 02:27.50 | Element14 | litage: kill -9 ? |
| 02:27.52 | De_Mon | ~mplayer |
| 02:27.54 | apt | rumour has it, mplayer is read http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ to find the correct sources.list line for your version of Debian, or /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 02:28.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: what's the error ? |
| 02:29.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't know what to produce (to link together) the library object files into |
| 02:29.42 | litage | i didn't want to resort to -9, but that's what i had to do. thanks |
| 02:29.55 | tengulre | hi,all, how to config the VirtualHost in apache2? |
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| 02:33.42 | abrotman | tengulre: you go to httpd.apache.org .. and read about vhosts |
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| 02:41.40 | danieldg | is firefox 2.0 going to be the first version of the renamed firefox in debian? And any idea when the official 2.0 will it hit unstable? |
| 02:42.40 | abrotman | nfc .. ask the maintainer |
| 02:42.52 | dondelelcaro | danieldg: wir; I'm not sure if 2.0 will hit unstable soon, or if it'll go to experimental. |
| 02:43.00 | dondelelcaro | danieldg: that's really a call for the RMs in concert with the maintainer to make |
| 02:43.11 | danieldg | I see that the 2.0 betas are in experimental right now |
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| 02:43.41 | sid | Icedove is already in unstable.(instead of thunderbird) |
| 02:43.48 | dondelelcaro | yerp |
| 02:43.50 | sid | I wouldn't be surprised if firefox goes bye bye. |
| 02:44.00 | dondelelcaro | sid: well, it has to before release. |
| 02:44.01 | danieldg | yep, which is why I was wondering when firefox was leaving |
| 02:44.07 | sid | iceweasel will probably be uploaded to unstable before firefox(tm) 2.0 |
| 02:44.52 | sid | But it's all up to the maintainer |
| 02:45.03 | danieldg | ok |
| 02:45.13 | sid | apt-cache show firefox |
| 02:45.25 | sid | Maintainer: Eric Dorland <eric@debian.org> |
| 02:45.42 | dondelelcaro | yeah... but please don't e-mail him about it unless you're going to help out |
| 02:45.54 | sid | And you /connect irc.debian.org; /join #debian-devel; /who #debian-devel; alt 1; /lastlog orland |
| 02:46.03 | sid | You can stalk him via irc, easier then email. imho |
| 02:46.14 | danieldg | not planning to, was just wondering if the status was known offhand |
| 02:46.35 | tarzeau | anyone going to http://nightshift.untergrund.net/ ? |
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| 02:48.04 | heh_v_water | i'm running etch and I can't figure out how to disable nvidiafb so I can run the nvidia drivers.. any clues maybe? |
| 02:48.11 | sid | danieldg: /whois hooty on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:49.51 | abrotman | oh yeah .. /msg him too .. |
| 02:49.57 | abrotman | sounds like a plan! |
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| 02:55.49 | quentas | smartd is the daemon for smarttest? |
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| 02:56.30 | abrotman | for harddrives ? |
| 02:56.43 | quentas | yeh |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | yes .. smartd |
| 02:57.45 | quentas | why should a test be running as a daemon? wouldn't it slow down the system? a test should run only when it is required, agree? |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | to collect stats |
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| 02:58.18 | quentas | i see now. |
| 02:58.24 | quentas | it does make sense. |
| 02:58.28 | Guerin | smart isn't a tes |
| 02:58.30 | Guerin | t |
| 02:58.32 | Guerin | so yeah |
| 02:58.57 | quentas | what command to run the test? i have installed it, it does not appear in the kde menu. |
| 02:59.18 | wols | it's a console app, so what would it do in your menu? |
| 02:59.26 | wols | man smartctl |
| 02:59.47 | quentas | ok, i was looking for smarttest. |
| 03:00.17 | wols | Guerin: smartctl _can_ be a test :) |
| 03:00.26 | Guerin | wols: but smart isn't |
| 03:00.31 | quentas | i feel that my system has slowed down since installing. |
| 03:00.49 | wols | smart is nothing since it doesn't exist. there is SMART and there is smartd. that's all :) |
| 03:01.21 | sid | SMART is awesome |
| 03:01.28 | wols | quentas: smartmontools are the wrong tools for checking that |
| 03:01.33 | sid | SMART > apt-get |
| 03:01.48 | quentas | and what is SMART? |
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| 03:02.02 | Guerin | smart recently gave my disk a clean bill of health, when it made griundy sounds whenever it read from /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:02.08 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here use Skype? |
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| 03:02.17 | Guerin | quentas: what you're not, since you just installed it. |
| 03:02.22 | Guerin | !anyone use skype? |
| 03:02.23 | dpkg | No, no one uses skype, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:02.23 | wols | Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology |
| 03:02.27 | quentas | wols: i feel that my system has slowed down since installing smartmontools. |
| 03:02.59 | Guerin | quentas: benchmark, stop the daemon, benchmark, compare. |
| 03:03.06 | quentas | Guerin: :D |
| 03:03.06 | Guerin | don't feel |
| 03:03.23 | wols | Guerin: but I _like_ feeling you! |
| 03:03.28 | Guerin | !aww |
| 03:03.29 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 03:03.33 | De_Mon | how do I write a for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... theres some command that creates the sequence |
| 03:03.41 | Guerin | De_Mon: seq |
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| 03:03.46 | Guerin | bizarrely |
| 03:03.46 | simonrvn | seq 1 6 |
| 03:03.58 | De_Mon | go figure |
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| 03:04.04 | simonrvn | for i in $(seq 1 6) |
| 03:04.45 | quentas | Led_Zeppelin: skype video is not available for linux yet. i have tried the audio. |
| 03:04.56 | Led_Zeppelin | quentas: do you dial outside numbers? |
| 03:05.15 | Guerin | for n in $(seq 0 12); do drink beer$n; sleep 12h; done |
| 03:05.16 | Led_Zeppelin | quentas: does phone menu work for you? like once you dial a number, and you need to type #1 for this, #2 for this.... |
| 03:06.39 | quentas | Led_Zeppelin: i try it out with those in the always online category, it is computer-to-computer only. |
| 03:06.45 | Led_Zeppelin | oh |
| 03:07.11 | Guerin | you can dial landlines, for a few |
| 03:07.13 | Guerin | fee |
| 03:07.40 | quentas | the comp-to-comp sound quality is good. |
| 03:07.50 | quentas | and absolutely free. |
| 03:07.58 | Guerin | are there any free software clients? |
| 03:08.02 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:08.05 | Guerin | no, not free |
| 03:08.13 | abrotman | clients for what ? |
| 03:08.16 | Guerin | skype |
| 03:08.20 | De_Mon | for i in `seq 1 10`;do echo $i;done |
| 03:08.26 | Guerin | anything free which speaks the protocol |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | skype is skype .. i think the protocol is closed |
| 03:08.50 | Guerin | but a closed protocol can still be reverse engineered |
| 03:08.59 | Xenguy | what about sip - I keep hearing about that, is it similar to skype? |
| 03:09.03 | abrotman | if it were h3223 or wahtever .. you could use gnomemeeting/ekiga |
| 03:09.06 | Guerin | and it probably is just some obfuscation around h.323 or something |
| 03:09.28 | Guerin | Xenguy: sip is the same idea, skype is just a brand |
| 03:09.29 | quentas | wonder when will skype video be available for linux. |
| 03:09.36 | Guerin | quentas: who cares? |
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| 03:09.41 | Guerin | quentas: we have h323 |
| 03:09.42 | Xenguy | Guerin: sip is open too AFAIK |
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| 03:09.48 | Guerin | Xenguy: yeah, it is. |
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| 03:10.24 | abrotman | !gizmo |
| 03:10.25 | dpkg | methinks gizmo is http://www.gizmoproject.com/ .. A VoIP project |
| 03:10.27 | wols | Guerin: it's a little bit more: it's a P2P protocol and it can pierce NAT.if that is a good thing is yet another questions |
| 03:10.32 | quentas | Guerin: h323 is just the protocol. skype video is a complete ready-to-use package. |
| 03:10.50 | wols | h323 is a horrible protocol network wise tho |
| 03:10.51 | Guerin | quentas: clients exist for h323, though, that's my point. |
| 03:11.01 | wols | needs portranges forwarded and shit like that. |
| 03:11.08 | wols | needs to know the public IP too |
| 03:11.12 | Guerin | quentas: and h323 and clients are free, while skype is not |
| 03:11.34 | quentas | Guerin: skype video is free. |
| 03:11.36 | abrotman | i thought gizmo was supposed to be OSS .. oh well |
| 03:11.46 | Xenguy | quentas: define free |
| 03:12.01 | Guerin | quentas: no, it's not. I can't get the source, it ain't free. |
| 03:12.08 | quentas | does not cost a single cent to use. |
| 03:12.18 | Guerin | quentas: this is a free software OS channel, your $ argument carries no weight here. |
| 03:12.22 | Xenguy | quentas: free as in freedom, amigo :-) |
| 03:12.44 | quentas | free in monetary term. |
| 03:12.58 | quentas | O_o |
| 03:13.02 | Guerin | quentas: that issue means nothing to me. |
| 03:13.06 | Xenguy | quentas: you need to do some background reading :-) See fsf.org |
| 03:13.25 | sid | Can I convert a chm to something else?(html or pdf)? |
| 03:13.41 | Guerin | sid: yes, using a windows machine and copy+paste |
| 03:13.59 | Guerin | sid: you may even be able to do it in free software, but IIRC some are encrypted |
| 03:14.03 | Xenguy | quentas: 'free software' = 'free as in freedom' (or 'free as in speech'); 'no $$$' = 'free as in beer' |
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| 03:14.09 | danieldg | is there a utility to enable shadow passwords? I'm bootstrapping a debian system and forgot to set up /etc/shadow |
| 03:14.22 | sid | Guerin: Well gnochm can view it, so it's not encrypted I assum.e |
| 03:14.22 | Xenguy | sid: there are chm readers AFAIK |
| 03:14.24 | Guerin | danieldg: dpkg-reconfigure passwd |
| 03:14.31 | sid | since debian doesn't ship things that violate the dmca |
| 03:14.35 | danieldg | thanks |
| 03:14.43 | quentas | i am not going to argue anymore on this. it would be more fruitful if anyone of you can tell me a video phone or conferencing tool for linux which is as widely used as skype or MS. |
| 03:14.48 | Guerin | sid: there might be a cli util which you can pipe to something else |
| 03:14.55 | Guerin | quentas: who cares? |
| 03:15.05 | sid | quentas: skype is garbage |
| 03:15.11 | quentas | Guerin: i do, i want to use one. |
| 03:15.15 | sid | proprietary protocol, tons of obfuscation of code |
| 03:15.16 | danieldg | is there a list of things I should dpkg-reconfigure, in case I missed something else? |
| 03:15.18 | Guerin | quentas: there are plenty of places you can care about proprietary software. |
| 03:15.22 | sid | they have all the decryption keys for your streams |
| 03:15.27 | sid | I have no idea why anyone would use skype |
| 03:15.29 | quentas | sid: don't just condemn, provide alternatives. |
| 03:15.40 | Xenguy | quentas: in a nutshell: 'freeware' != 'free software' :-) (And there ya have it :-) |
| 03:15.41 | Guerin | quentas: ok. netmeeting is still installed by default on every windows machine |
| 03:15.59 | Guerin | quentas: it's a h.323 audio/video client which works perfectly with free software clients |
| 03:16.08 | sid | quentas: H.323, IAX, or SIP? |
| 03:16.16 | sid | quentas: apt-get install ekiga |
| 03:16.32 | Guerin | sid: is there a free-software client which can talk skype? |
| 03:16.40 | sid | Guerin: no |
| 03:16.51 | Guerin | sid: for technical, legal or other reasons? |
| 03:17.05 | Guerin | wtf |
| 03:17.05 | sid | Guerin: both(dmca/patents+everyone is too lazy to reverse engineer) |
| 03:17.11 | Guerin | ekiga is gnomemeeting |
| 03:17.14 | sid | yes |
| 03:17.22 | Guerin | continuing the tradition of utterly useless free software names |
| 03:17.33 | Guerin | sid: as I figured. |
| 03:17.45 | sid | ekiga can do sip and h.323 |
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| 03:18.36 | sid | Google talk uses jabber, it will be interesting to see if that starts to take off |
| 03:18.43 | sid | All of the protocols for that are open |
| 03:18.47 | Guerin | google talk is fucking braindead as well |
| 03:18.51 | lancel00t_ | is there libdvdcss in apt? |
| 03:18.58 | sid | !tell lancel00t_ about marillat |
| 03:19.07 | Guerin | they broke the most important aspect of jabber protocol, which is the inter-server communication |
| 03:19.28 | danieldg | I can talk to google clients... |
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| 03:19.57 | danieldg | so I don't see what they broke |
| 03:20.03 | liable | lancel00t_: theres a script in the docs for libdvdread3 that will get it for you |
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| 03:20.44 | lancel00t_ | ok |
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| 03:21.36 | beardy | I am working with a groupassignment in the form of a "Request for offer on Web Servers", well, the point is that we should calculate costs, and so on, and recommend hardware and an operating system, is there any good resource, that someone has used, to argument for the choice of Debian? That I could use and get ideas from. |
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| 03:22.14 | beardy | Preferebly something more to the point then "success stories"? |
| 03:22.18 | Guerin | danieldg: oh, i stand corrected: On January 17, 2006, Google enabled server-to-server communications, federating itself with any Jabber server that supports the dialback protocol. |
| 03:22.28 | Guerin | from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk |
| 03:22.50 | dondelelcaro | beardy: there are the various "why debian" pages; as far as TCO and other related issues, I'm not aware of any studies on it |
| 03:23.02 | Guerin | !why debian |
| 03:23.03 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 03:23.09 | Guerin | mm, yeah |
| 03:23.30 | dondelelcaro | (the TCO costs are really tied in with your administrators, though... good system administrators have a relatively low TCO per box; bad ones have higher) |
| 03:23.36 | Guerin | beardy: you could also talk to cafuego, who has run nothing but it on servers for years |
| 03:23.45 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Ok, I'll read them a bit and see if I find anything good. (I am aware of them, but thanks for mentioning them.) |
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| 03:24.11 | Guerin | i think he hangs in #ubuntu now, since that's what he deploys on workstations |
| 03:24.37 | beardy | I actually have some of them up in the browser at the moment. |
| 03:24.53 | beardy | Guerin: I'll see if I can track him down then. |
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| 03:26.07 | grendal_prime | i got an actual working bluetooth dongle |
| 03:26.11 | grendal_prime | pretty cool |
| 03:26.43 | grendal_prime | well i can actually get my treo to see the laptop. im trying to get the laptop to see the treo now..any advice on this...well would be nice |
| 03:26.52 | grendal_prime | using bluez protocol stack |
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| 03:28.11 | odla | yay! i got knetworkmanager working!!! |
| 03:28.18 | FreakerJim | hmm is it normal after updating sources.list for the apt-get update to come back as some indexfiles failing to download, they will be ignored or old ones used...? |
| 03:28.36 | grendal_prime | odla, really...that thing is always a nightmare for me |
| 03:28.45 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Ok, I have tried to use the costs as something that gives Debian an advantage, the suggestion from the course examinators is (of course) RedHat, but we are free to suggest something else, if we can motivate it. (preferebly good :) ) |
| 03:28.57 | grendal_prime | i just use the /etc/network/interfaces file and manualy edit them. |
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| 03:29.38 | grendal_prime | FreakerJim, if it cant reach the sources, you have network issues or old sources list that is incorrect |
| 03:30.02 | grendal_prime | what is one of the deb listings for say...stable? |
| 03:30.09 | odla | grendal_prime: well it has taken me forever to get it figured out |
| 03:30.21 | Element14 | beardy: does happiness of sysadmins count? :) |
| 03:30.40 | nevyn | Element14: only as a function of productivity. |
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| 03:31.15 | beardy | Element14: I think so, but I'm not sure it can be used even in a fictional case like this, unfortunately.. :) |
| 03:31.25 | grendal_prime | do share do share..i was monkeying around with an odd network today. |
| 03:31.48 | odla | grendal_prime: it was actually really easy to do once i read the readme, which i didn't completely forgot about, and removed the device from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:32.13 | beardy | Element14: Not in direct words atleast, I guess that's what I'm searching for, words and arguments "they" like to hear, to let me provide them with the best solution available. |
| 03:32.21 | grendal_prime | odla, ?? |
| 03:33.07 | grendal_prime | everyone loved debian, they just dont konw it yet |
| 03:33.11 | grendal_prime | loves that is |
| 03:33.39 | grendal_prime | "if debian does not have the answer, you have the wrong question" |
| 03:33.56 | Element14 | i don't know any business jargon, but would it help if you mentioned the huge monetary costs of the "enterprise" offerings from RH? |
| 03:34.19 | grendal_prime | or a left testical in other words |
| 03:34.30 | odla | grendal_prime: everyone bitches that debian is so difficult to configure...i find that things work more out of the box on debian than any other distro and that ubooby one |
| 03:34.42 | odla | debian more than |
| 03:34.44 | beardy | Element14: And I have used the word "productivity", and some more things like that.. not "enterprise" yet, but I guess I should throw that in where apropriate. |
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| 03:35.31 | grendal_prime | odla i agree with you ...now....what is the trick to the knetwork tool |
| 03:35.43 | beardy | Element14: Yeah, I have brought that up, but I could make it a bit more clearer, thanks. (What I have said, is that the total cost of the project will be lower) |
| 03:36.21 | beardy | Element14: Either lower, or a chance for us to choose more fun and better hardware :) |
| 03:36.34 | beardy | Element14: (but I didn't write that) |
| 03:36.37 | Element14 | beardy: if you're willing to compromise, maybe you could mention ubuntu. their website looks nicer :) |
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| 03:37.04 | tgelter | anyone know of a howto explaining flash 9 for debian? |
| 03:37.30 | beardy | Element14: No, I am not willing to do that kind of compromise.. RedHat's probably looks even better, and has all the enterprise jargon. |
| 03:37.34 | odla | grendal_prime: you have to first add your user to group netdev, then remove all references to the device you want NM to manage |
| 03:37.39 | quentas | smartmontools is not up-to-date. smartctl shows many unknown attributes for my 160G sata drive. |
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| 03:37.57 | protoloco | Hey, what file system do i should USE ?.. ReiserFs or ext3 ? |
| 03:38.06 | beardy | !choose fs rule |
| 03:38.07 | dpkg | If you have to ask, and you don't have any reason not to, use ext3. So do it, use ext3. |
| 03:38.08 | grendal_prime | you know what Element14 i had a coworker trying to do some very basic things with ubunto...strange ubunto is..there is no root users..not that i can tell..and some very simple things get...well fuckywucky when you cant just log in as the root user |
| 03:38.09 | quentas | it was ok for my 3-yr old 40G ata drive. |
| 03:38.38 | Element14 | grendal_prime: i think they have a sudo i nthe default install... |
| 03:38.41 | sid | grendal_prime: Just sudo passwd |
| 03:38.51 | sid | grendal_prime: set the root password, then su - |
| 03:38.57 | protoloco | but i wanna change. i dont like much ext3 |
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| 03:39.11 | beardy | protoloco: Then why do you ask for an opinion? |
| 03:39.20 | protoloco | cuz, maybe is not a good option.. |
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| 03:39.49 | quentas | beardy: he didn't specifically ask for yours. |
| 03:39.53 | quentas | :D |
| 03:40.15 | beardy | quentas: He got dpkg's, and mine, and a few others in here. |
| 03:40.17 | Element14 | quentas: beardy didn't specifically say his opinion was asked :) |
| 03:40.41 | quentas | but he specifically gave one. :D |
| 03:40.57 | beardy | quentas: But it's free for anyone to answer, even you. So answer him instead of me. |
| 03:41.09 | grendal_prime | ya but sid...when i watched what he had to go through to set up the root user...and then...well he just used aptituded to do the package management anyway... i told him..dude you might as well just be using debian?? |
| 03:41.11 | quentas | o.o |
| 03:41.14 | enouf | my opinion is that your opinion sucks |
| 03:41.33 | beardy | Mr Constructive entered the building. |
| 03:41.55 | enouf | ola beardy |
| 03:42.13 | odla | enouf: that's a great opinion |
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| 03:42.18 | Element14 | grendal_prime: ubuntu has nicer eye candy..... and some packages are more recent. |
| 03:42.26 | enouf | quentas: go walk the plank or something |
| 03:42.37 | odla | Element14: debian has some nice eyecandy too if you want to take the tame to make it look pretty |
| 03:42.43 | odla | s tame/time |
| 03:42.48 | quentas | enouf is enouf. shaft it. |
| 03:42.52 | quentas | :D |
| 03:43.03 | odla | !push quentas |
| 03:43.10 | odla | !punch quentas |
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| 03:43.23 | Element14 | odla: yea, but the time to set up a root account is probably less than what it takes to set up the eye candy... if one wants it |
| 03:43.24 | quentas | no violence, pls. |
| 03:43.37 | odla | :D |
| 03:43.40 | quentas | O_o o_O |
| 03:44.05 | odla | debian > ubuntu ... case closed |
| 03:44.17 | sid | !start a distro war |
| 03:44.17 | dpkg | Fedora rocks! |
| 03:44.20 | Element14 | (before anybody here thinks i'm a ubuntu covert... all my linux machines run debian, all machines i admin run debian) |
| 03:44.22 | odla | quentas: are those eyes or fingers? |
| 03:44.35 | quentas | i got it on both eyes. that's it, i'll report u to the police. |
| 03:44.50 | odla | que? |
| 03:45.07 | grendal_prime | ya but Element14 he was setting up a server. |
| 03:45.49 | Element14 | grendal_prime: hmm :-/ |
| 03:45.56 | grendal_prime | thats the thing...i like the idea behind ubunto but umm...someone with any linux experience ....debian is just a friggin rock. |
| 03:46.17 | odla | grendal_prime: and sid is a sweet desktop...if you know what you're doing |
| 03:46.26 | Element14 | the company i worked for in the summer used to use debian for the servers, but switched to ubuntu about a year ago |
| 03:46.28 | nevyn | odla: once you get it going |
| 03:46.47 | nevyn | odla: it takes a bit to get your entire desktop environment installed and stuff |
| 03:46.57 | odla | nevyn: yeah depending on your taste |
| 03:47.08 | nevyn | (ie konqueror dependancies have been broken for some time |
| 03:47.09 | odla | nevyn: i can usually set up debian to my liking in a few hours |
| 03:47.09 | grendal_prime | literally, the last company i left, i still do maint on, its practically nothing. it amounts to like 3-4 hours a month...if that. |
| 03:47.20 | odla | nevyn: konqueror isn't broken here |
| 03:47.20 | nevyn | not enough to remove it. but enough to make it not instal |
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| 03:48.41 | Element14 | grendal_prime: agreed. i'm the sysadmin for the linux machines in my previous high school (together with another alumni)..... and once a while i go in and apt-get upgrade the security patches |
| 03:49.07 | Element14 | some machines still running woody :) |
| 03:49.36 | liable | i think woody security has stopped |
| 03:49.43 | liable | or has it? |
| 03:50.26 | beardy | It has. |
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| 03:50.30 | grendal_prime | i dont know Element14 i was using redhat untell it went enterprise...i look at the alternative, and using yum to do package management, it worked, pretty reliable, but i started thinking, hmm debian has been doing this in a simailar way, since its birth, the tools are more stable, friendly, ill try it.. have not looked back since. and when i show people how easy it is to maint those systems ..they always want me to show thme m |
| 03:50.31 | grendal_prime | ore. |
| 03:51.01 | beardy | So, recommend them to upgrade to sarge, of you come across them, and they don't have a very good reason not to do it. |
| 03:51.08 | beardy | s/of/if/ |
| 03:51.38 | De_Mon | I'm trying to use sox to convert file.wav to file.mp3 and it says Sorry, no MP3 encoding support |
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| 03:52.05 | De_Mon | this is using unstable, and libmad0 is installed so I'm here, scratching my head. |
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| 03:52.24 | beardy | De_Mon: You have to use lame, or something else for that. Thought about using ogg vorbis instead? |
| 03:52.38 | beardy | De_Mon: AFAIK that is, I haven't used sox. |
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| 03:53.24 | wols | !tell De_Mon about lame |
| 03:53.45 | beardy | De_Mon: One possibility is that your sox version is not compiled with support for it, but that is just a guess. |
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| 03:54.18 | De_Mon | I'm guessing your right beardy, but that seems rather odd as it requires libmad to encode mp3s and libmad is required... |
| 03:54.22 | beardy | De_Mon: The error message sounds like that could be the case. |
| 03:54.29 | De_Mon | I'm using lame now, but was hoping to stick with sox for everything |
| 03:54.55 | beardy | De_Mon: Have you checked /usr/share/doc/sox, perhaps it's mentioned there? |
| 03:55.16 | protoloco | how do i mount a ReiserFs partition ?? |
| 03:55.17 | De_Mon | no, I should have checked there before whining in here eh |
| 03:55.20 | protoloco | -t ? |
| 03:55.52 | Element14 | protoloco: mount /dev/hdxx /mountpoint should do if you got it right |
| 03:56.19 | De_Mon | nothing in the changelog.debian about broken or removed mp3 support |
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| 03:57.07 | cr3 | how can I change the darn status of a package from "pi" to "ii"? I find it ridiculous that there doesn't seem a way to change that |
| 03:57.17 | nevyn | ummm |
| 03:57.30 | nevyn | what are you looking at it in? |
| 03:57.45 | cr3 | nevyn: I'm looking at the output of dpkg -l |
| 03:57.49 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:57.54 | beardy | De_Mon: Hmm, and the package description for the unstable package says that it can ouput to mp3.. |
| 03:57.57 | quentas | is etch a release now? thought i read something about this somewhere. |
| 03:57.59 | nevyn | you can do it with dpkg... |
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| 03:58.06 | protoloco | Element14 dint work,, |
| 03:58.09 | protoloco | Element14 mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3, |
| 03:58.14 | protoloco | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.22 | enouf | !cluebat protoloco |
| 03:58.22 | cr3 | nevyn: I've been all over the manpage, I'm in need of hand holding now :( |
| 03:58.27 | nevyn | but it's probably easier to just load up aptitude.. and hit + |
| 03:58.34 | protoloco | ? |
| 03:58.52 | protoloco | im not getting it |
| 03:59.13 | Element14 | protoloco: did u mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hda3? [warning: backup the partition first if applicable] |
| 03:59.31 | beardy | De_Mon: And all dependencies is available? Have you checked /usr/share/doc/libmad, or the bts? Perhaps the problem is with some pacage it depends on? |
| 03:59.39 | insmod | De_Mon: use lame |
| 03:59.39 | De_Mon | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=382275 |
| 03:59.45 | nevyn | cr3: load aptitude search for the package with / then hit + |
| 03:59.49 | protoloco | Element14 just --> reiserfs /dev/hda3 |
| 04:00.00 | De_Mon | insmod I want to use sox |
| 04:01.06 | beardy | De_Mon: Ok. Then you have to wait, use ogg, or use lame. |
| 04:01.09 | De_Mon | libmad0 says its for decoding though I thought it did both |
| 04:01.18 | Element14 | protoloco: what is that supposed to do? |
| 04:01.36 | De_Mon | yep, I wept and in the end used windows |
| 04:01.38 | De_Mon | err, lame |
| 04:01.38 | protoloco | Element14 i think the same that you said.. but i typed waht u said.. |
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| 04:01.43 | protoloco | and says the same error |
| 04:01.50 | protoloco | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3, |
| 04:01.50 | protoloco | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.58 | protoloco | In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try |
| 04:01.59 | protoloco | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.09 | protoloco | Should i try with ext3 ? |
| 04:02.38 | Element14 | beardy: haha |
| 04:02.51 | cr3 | protoloco: I'm really not familiar with aptitude, so I then tried 'g' and it was about to remove 210Mb worth of packages... probably rendering my system utterly useless |
| 04:03.10 | protoloco | ? |
| 04:03.29 | nevyn | cr3: g just tells you what it's going to do. |
| 04:03.51 | cr3 | nevyn: right, it was going to render my system useless |
| 04:03.55 | nevyn | if you want to just leave things as they are try using : on one of the sections |
| 04:03.56 | Element14 | protoloco: take a look at dmesg|tail then. |
| 04:03.57 | beardy | cr3: q exits to the selection state |
| 04:04.14 | nevyn | cr3: no you were. |
| 04:04.26 | nevyn | it's just a tool it does exactly what you tell it to do. |
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| 04:04.48 | beardy | cr3: Then you had told it to do something you actually didn't want, by mistake or by not knowing what you were doing. |
| 04:05.11 | mad_muppet | I want to play with a web server any ideas on a simple to use server? |
| 04:05.20 | beardy | cr3: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 04:05.24 | nevyn | mad_muppet: apache is the standards |
| 04:05.30 | nevyn | mad_muppet: it's pretty heavy tho. |
| 04:05.46 | nevyn | mad_muppet: what do you want to do with a web server? they're really quite boring |
| 04:05.46 | cr3 | nevyn: I especially like how it lists my only kernel in the list of packages to be removed, good work aptitude! |
| 04:06.01 | mad_muppet | nevyn: looking for something light only got a vm machine ..:p |
| 04:06.01 | nevyn | cr3: hrm. you've done well |
| 04:06.08 | nevyn | mad_muppet: define light. |
| 04:06.12 | cr3 | ln -s aptitude inaptitude |
| 04:06.15 | mad_muppet | small |
| 04:06.20 | nevyn | sigh. |
| 04:06.24 | mad_muppet | lol |
| 04:06.24 | cr3 | nevyn: I'm just totally lost |
| 04:06.25 | beardy | mad_muppet: 'apt-cache search httpd' then |
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| 04:06.29 | nevyn | mad_muppet: apache is like 6 mb and 3mb in core |
| 04:06.32 | unseensoul | hi |
| 04:06.42 | nevyn | mad_muppet: but it scales to silly numbers |
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| 04:07.04 | nevyn | cr3: aptitude is incredibly powerful you just need to understand how to drive it. |
| 04:07.21 | nevyn | mad_muppet: what load do you want to be able to throw at it. |
| 04:07.25 | mad_muppet | nevyn: thanks didnt know that apache probably the best bet seeing as its so popular |
| 04:07.25 | cr3 | beardy: originally, I was trying to reset the status of packages from "pi" to "ii" as returned by dpkg -l. so, I tried running aptitude to rectify the situation but the darn thing is trying to remove my kernel! |
| 04:07.31 | unseensoul | totem-mozilla doesn't work...any idea? |
| 04:07.32 | beardy | mad_muppet: There are a few, I don't remember which one I liked best, I tried most of them, but then I just installed apache because it did what I needed best and easiest. |
| 04:07.44 | mad_muppet | nevyn: just want a play at the moment |
| 04:08.00 | nevyn | mad_muppet: apache would still run on a 64mb pentium 200 quite happily serving static pages |
| 04:08.12 | nevyn | mad_muppet: it really depends on what you want to DO |
| 04:08.22 | nevyn | cr3: relax |
| 04:08.23 | mad_muppet | not wanting to run dynamic pages at present |
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| 04:08.40 | beardy | mad_muppet: Play with perl/python/php? |
| 04:08.46 | nevyn | mad_muppet: you could use the kernel http server ;) |
| 04:08.48 | cr3 | nevyn: no matter how powerful, I'm not getting much explanation from aptitude why it wants to remove my kernel other than "will be removed" |
| 04:08.53 | mad_muppet | beardy: yes |
| 04:08.57 | nevyn | cr3: ok. |
| 04:09.04 | beardy | mad_muppet: That is dynamic pages. |
| 04:09.17 | mad_muppet | lol ok doh |
| 04:09.24 | beardy | mad_muppet: When you play with them, and a webserver. |
| 04:09.32 | mad_muppet | be a little later on then eh ..:p |
| 04:09.46 | nevyn | cr3: : resets package statuses |
| 04:10.08 | beardy | mad_muppet: Try Apache, if it's to slow, try another one, boa, .. and all the rest. |
| 04:10.12 | nevyn | so let's just get everything reset to the state it currently is on disk |
| 04:10.20 | nevyn | go to the package selection screen |
| 04:10.33 | nevyn | minimise all the packages to the top level categories |
| 04:10.46 | nevyn | then press : on each category |
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| 04:10.55 | mad_muppet | beardy: from what u guys have told me it seems to be the best bet so I'll give it a go and see what happens |
| 04:11.14 | mad_muppet | thanks beardy and nevyn |
| 04:11.15 | beardy | mad_muppet: or thttpd and so on, 'apt-cache search httpd' as I said. |
| 04:11.18 | nevyn | beardy: if it's too slow learn to optimise it for your case |
| 04:11.22 | nevyn | far more valuable. |
| 04:11.43 | nevyn | learning how to tune apache is a valuable skill.. |
| 04:11.45 | nachos | hey |
| 04:11.47 | beardy | nevyn: Yes. Unless he really want to try something else. |
| 04:12.00 | nachos | anyone know where i can find a debian logo wallpaper? |
| 04:12.11 | nevyn | nachos: one shipps with debian |
| 04:12.17 | nevyn | severl in fact ship with debian |
| 04:12.21 | nachos | Ooo... where does it live nevyn ? |
| 04:12.25 | nachos | where can i find it? |
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| 04:13.03 | beardy | nachos: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/wallpaper.htm |
| 04:13.42 | beardy | nachos: The ones in Debian (if installed, and IIRC) can be fouind in /usr/share/wallpapers |
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| 04:13.53 | mad_muppet | would I have to worry about the security side of things? I have nothing of value to lose on the machine keeping in mind Im just playin |
| 04:14.03 | cr3 | nevyn: thanks for the quick tutorial on using aptitude. so, I have reset all the packages and aptitude is no longer threatening to remove the kernel. phew! |
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| 04:14.29 | beardy | mad_muppet: That too depends on what you actually going to do. |
| 04:14.34 | beardy | +are |
| 04:14.36 | cr3 | nevyn: however, the status of the packages still seems to be recorded odly as returned by dpkg -l. for example, my only kernel is marked as "ri", ie scheduled for removal |
| 04:15.08 | mad_muppet | displaying a page that isnt the default would be nice for a start ..:p |
| 04:15.18 | beardy | mad_muppet: If you run php, and some 3rd party things, security might be an issue yes. |
| 04:15.28 | cr3 | nevyn: however, aptitude has the kernel package simply marked as installed, which is what I prefer to see :) |
| 04:15.41 | beardy | mad_muppet: Shouldn't be a problem, play away. |
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| 04:16.14 | mad_muppet | k thanks guys off to play ..:) |
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| 04:17.09 | Rusty1 | mad_muppet: zope is fun to play with: www.zope.org |
| 04:17.18 | nachos | how can i change the wallpaper? |
| 04:17.20 | nachos | i' |
| 04:17.23 | nachos | m using sawfish |
| 04:17.29 | beardy | nachos: Depends on.. ok. |
| 04:17.53 | beardy | nachos: Should have an option in it's menu, if it has one.. |
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| 04:18.57 | Element14 | sawfish controls the root window?? |
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| 04:19.38 | Element14 | i thought it was nautilus (in gnome) or something of the like... |
| 04:20.30 | beardy | nachos: Are you running gnome? |
| 04:21.12 | beardy | Element14: nautilus is a "filemanager" isn't it. |
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| 04:22.26 | Element14 | yea. |
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| 04:22.47 | apfel_ | how can I change the font size of firefox's menu bar? |
| 04:23.26 | beardy | Element14: but.. http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/users/2002-February/002560.html makes me confused.. |
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| 04:25.12 | Element14 | hmm.... i guess nautilus draws a window on top of the root window..... |
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| 04:25.54 | seth1246 | Is there a package I should install to use an ati video card in sarge? If not which driver do I choose from dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (I tried choosing ati but that didn't work)? |
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| 04:27.04 | seth1246 | Anyone? |
| 04:27.25 | liable | seth1246: what card is it? |
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| 04:29.15 | seth1246 | liable: Radeon RV100 QY . |
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| 04:29.43 | liable | seth1246: how old is it? |
| 04:30.02 | liable | is that like a r100? |
| 04:30.29 | seth1246 | I'm really not sure how old the card itself is. |
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| 04:31.11 | liable | guess, roughly, more than a year? two? |
| 04:31.18 | seth1246 | It is also listed as Radeon 7000/ve. |
| 04:31.25 | liable | oh, yeah, old |
| 04:31.38 | seth1246 | My guess would be about 1 1/2 year. |
| 04:31.40 | liable | ati should work for it. whats the x log say when x fails? |
| 04:31.56 | liable | seth1246: i think its older than that |
| 04:32.10 | liable | i got a 7500 in a 4yo thinkpad |
| 04:32.49 | nachos | how can i make apt-get install dependencies? |
| 04:33.15 | seth1246 | It could be older. It's a Desktop computer. I've had it in my office at work for the last year. |
| 04:33.16 | odla | has anyone used the smart package manager? |
| 04:33.44 | Guerin | odla: we call it 'aptitude' around these parts |
| 04:33.49 | seth1246 | nachos: apt-get automatically instalsl dependencies. |
| 04:33.49 | liable | seth1246: have a look in the x log for lines that start with EE |
| 04:34.00 | Guerin | nachos: you don't make it, it does it by itself. |
| 04:34.04 | nachos | seth1246: It's not installing the dependencies! |
| 04:34.16 | nachos | 'The following packages have unmet dependiencies' |
| 04:34.23 | Guerin | nachos: don't paste |
| 04:34.32 | odla | Guerin: no the smart package manager too :) |
| 04:34.33 | odla | aptitude is great btw |
| 04:34.38 | Guerin | nachos: do you have anything other than the stock debian repos? |
| 04:35.03 | Guerin | oh, in that case, /msg dpkg anyone use the smart package manager? |
| 04:35.09 | Guerin | odla: ↑ |
| 04:35.24 | odla | blah |
| 04:35.33 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 04:35.58 | nevyn | nachos: those dependancies are broken hence unmet |
| 04:36.03 | Guerin | !shoot liable |
| 04:36.12 | Guerin | liable: git orff mah laynd! |
| 04:36.12 | liable | yes, i have unicode envy :P |
| 04:36.47 | liable | meh, ibm have a free modem driver for my laptop, but its an rpm |
| 04:36.59 | liable | and linuxants is non free |
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| 04:37.48 | wols | ewww... modem |
| 04:38.06 | liable | :( wont have a choice, will have to use it soon... |
| 04:38.49 | liable | i guess i dont have much choice but to alienise it |
| 04:38.51 | wols | !pity who has to use dialup |
| 04:38.52 | dpkg | I pity da fool who has to use dialup! |
| 04:39.07 | wols | only use tgz |
| 04:39.35 | liable | i havent ever used alien myself |
| 04:39.36 | Guerin | alien should work for something like that |
| 04:40.09 | liable | the proprietry linuxant driver is quite evil |
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| 04:40.44 | nachos | how can i list all the packages that are installed? |
| 04:40.56 | tuv | nachos, dpkg -l |
| 04:41.47 | Guerin | liable: the free-beer version wouldn't work for me, so no way in hell was I using the expensive-beer version |
| 04:42.14 | Guerin | on a t42, which is supposedly supported |
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| 04:42.32 | liable | Guerin: the crippled one? |
| 04:42.44 | liable | or theres a proper free one? |
| 04:43.05 | Guerin | liable: no, the crippleware one |
| 04:43.09 | Guerin | liable: which only does 14.4 |
| 04:43.18 | liable | yeah, it worked for me |
| 04:43.24 | Guerin | liable: which I tried just for s&g to see if it would work |
| 04:43.33 | liable | but no fucking way am i paying for a stinking modem driver |
| 04:43.36 | Guerin | liable: mine would open the link, but not dial |
| 04:43.50 | grendal_prime | seting up a virtual serial device...am i missing something here...is this like a totally stupid thing to do... |
| 04:44.46 | nachos | i'm so stressed out, i need this all to work. |
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| 04:45.04 | liable | !comfort nachos |
| 04:45.04 | dpkg | There, there, nachos. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:45.09 | nachos | thankyou ;-) |
| 04:45.23 | nachos | hurm. |
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| 04:45.28 | Kyuss | What directory are the major header files in for a standard Linux install located? |
| 04:45.44 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.48 | nachos | how can i make aptiude get packages off the ineternet? |
| 04:46.00 | wols | nachos: edit your sources.list |
| 04:46.05 | grendal_prime | first make sure the machine can get to the internet |
| 04:46.15 | liable | nachos: it just does it, with the correct settings in sources.list |
| 04:46.16 | Kyuss | how does LS determine what is and isn't a directory? |
| 04:46.19 | grendal_prime | then..put in some sources.list items that are ligit. |
| 04:46.25 | grendal_prime | legit? |
| 04:46.26 | nachos | where does sources.list live? |
| 04:46.29 | grendal_prime | there we go... |
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| 04:46.36 | wols | nachos: man sources.list |
| 04:46.40 | grendal_prime | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:46.45 | grendal_prime | i think |
| 04:46.45 | liable | ok, gonna try this alien thing |
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| 04:47.20 | grendal_prime | nachos, more than likely, unless you have already messed with the installation there are legit entrys in there. |
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| 04:47.37 | tgelter | hey guys, as far as I know I have the same version of gnome (and hence nautilus) in debian as I did in ubuntu...how can I get nautilus to keep from opening a new window w/ every directory I double-click on? |
| 04:47.37 | grendal_prime | you can also run apt-setup i think it is..and it will put in the obviouse ones |
| 04:48.08 | liable | except apt-setup isnt in etch/sid |
| 04:48.50 | tuv | tgelter, Edit -> Preferences -> Behaviour Tab: Always open in browser window |
| 04:49.18 | tgelter | tuv: beautiful. Thanks! |
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| 04:49.38 | Kyuss | Its a tag in the file descriptor... right? |
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| 04:50.32 | wols | more or less yes. ls doesn't use file descriptors tho |
| 04:50.50 | tgelter | anyone know how to upload album art to an ipod through gtkpod? |
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| 04:51.28 | Kyuss | could you explain it to me? |
| 04:51.40 | wols | what do you want to do? |
| 04:52.00 | Kyuss | explain how does LS determine what is and isn't a directory? |
| 04:52.21 | liable | hrm, package installed, dunno if it made kernel modules though |
| 04:52.54 | tuv | Kyuss, check out its source ;) |
| 04:53.24 | Kyuss | C is for Crazy, and I don't read crazy. |
| 04:53.54 | wols | man 2 stat |
| 04:54.22 | wols | it's in stat.st_mode |
| 04:54.30 | tuv | C is for Capable, actually |
| 04:54.52 | seth1248 | liable: server is reporting: (EE) No devices detected. |
| 04:54.52 | wols | S_IFDIR 0040000 directory |
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| 04:56.17 | liable | seth1248: ok, try vesa and see if that gets it working for noe |
| 04:56.23 | liable | now |
| 04:56.46 | liable | brb |
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| 04:57.54 | Kyuss | alright, cool |
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| 04:59.48 | Kyuss | a directory is a file... and it contains files, is that accurate? |
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| 05:00.32 | wols | yes |
| 05:00.41 | wols | in linux everything is a file. supposedly anyways |
| 05:01.04 | tuv | in Plan9 everything is a file |
| 05:01.42 | nachos | anyone got a suggestion on what apt www source i should be using? can anyone give me an example line that i should pop in my apt.sources file ? |
| 05:02.06 | wols | !mirrors |
| 05:02.07 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 05:02.26 | Kyuss | what role does the kernel play in non-kernel processes? |
| 05:02.42 | wols | why do you need to know all this? |
| 05:02.44 | tuv | nachos, 1. it's sources.list 2. man sources.list for examples 3. see www.debian.org/mirror/list for a list of mirrors and pick the ones you like |
| 05:02.50 | nachos | thanks |
| 05:03.03 | nevyn | Kyuss: what do you do? |
| 05:03.19 | wols | nevyn: sounds like homework to me |
| 05:03.26 | nevyn | wols: likewise |
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| 05:04.16 | nachos | thanks. |
| 05:04.30 | nachos | can someone please give me there default apt.sources file, i want to restore it to default. |
| 05:04.36 | wols | there is no default |
| 05:04.43 | wols | and there is no apt.sources file either |
| 05:04.52 | nachos | i mean sources.list |
| 05:04.56 | wols | are you even reading what people write for you here? |
| 05:05.04 | Kyuss | I'm teaching an extracurricular class at the high school on the subject, making sure these questions aren't too difficult |
| 05:05.06 | wols | there still is no default |
| 05:05.09 | nachos | sorry, i really stressed out. |
| 05:05.30 | wols | you're supposed to know the answers to your questions BEFORE you think about them |
| 05:06.03 | wols | and´from what and how you ask, I don't believe this explanation. try lying more convincingly |
| 05:06.20 | tuv | Kyuss, questions of this sort can't difficult or easy. either you know the answer or you don't |
| 05:06.30 | Kyuss | I'm a math teacher, it was either computers or chess. |
| 05:06.38 | tuv | Kyuss, math problems, on the other hand, can be difficult |
| 05:06.43 | wols | use chess. it's more interesting than linux |
| 05:06.59 | Guerin | chess? |
| 05:07.04 | Guerin | teach them go |
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| 05:07.09 | Kyuss | can't get scholarships for chess. |
| 05:07.14 | Kyuss | and linux has Go. |
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| 05:07.41 | wols | I don't think RH gives out scholarships for Linux either |
| 05:07.42 | Kyuss | has chess too. |
| 05:08.04 | Kyuss | RH? |
| 05:08.26 | dn4 | is the a program in linux that gives mathmatical proofs |
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| 05:08.44 | wols | dn4: is there any program in existence that does this? |
| 05:08.46 | dn4 | I need to look at how cos(a-b) = cosa*cosb+sina*sinb |
| 05:08.55 | wols | we could get rid of all math researchers! |
| 05:09.16 | Guerin | dn4: apt-get install brain |
| 05:09.16 | dn4 | wols, well lets say at least all the proofs that have been found thus so far |
| 05:09.27 | Guerin | dn4: impossible |
| 05:09.38 | dn4 | right now i'm working on a proof and cannot get the answer :( |
| 05:09.53 | wols | one word: bronstein |
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| 05:10.20 | dn4 | wait I have heard of these Bronstein equations |
| 05:10.26 | Kyuss | bronstein? |
| 05:10.40 | Defty | dn4: check mathwolrd for trigonometric addition formulas, there's your proof |
| 05:10.55 | wols | http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Mathematics-I-N-Bronshtein/dp/3540434917?tag2=gp04-20 |
| 05:11.27 | Guerin | wtf is a proof that you downlaod off the interwebs? |
| 05:11.38 | Defty | same as asking for a proof on irc |
| 05:11.40 | Guerin | isn't the point that you understand how the proof is arrived at? |
| 05:11.48 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:12.05 | Kyuss | Alright, but yea... a kernel is sort of a nebulous entity to me. The book I have that tries to explain linux just represents it as a big black box |
| 05:12.07 | Guerin | s/i/o |
| 05:12.10 | wols | Guerin: copying it off the intarweb might satisfy the homework angle again |
| 05:12.33 | Guerin | wols: don't they still do exams in math? |
| 05:12.49 | wols | but with different proofs than homework ones |
| 05:12.59 | grendal_prime | this is driving me crazy |
| 05:13.05 | Kyuss | whats that? |
| 05:13.08 | grendal_prime | i can see the device |
| 05:13.10 | wols | political science? oxymoron day? |
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| 05:13.24 | grendal_prime | i can ping it...via my bluetooth device |
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| 05:13.56 | Kyuss | what device? |
| 05:14.09 | grendal_prime | i can pair it, but i cannot connect it to the virtual serial device...becaus i cannot seem to make a virtual serial device...because i cannot seem to find anything on how to make a virtual serial device!!! |
| 05:14.12 | grendal_prime | ummm |
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| 05:14.22 | grendal_prime | treo 650 and my linux laptop |
| 05:15.26 | Evil_Pink_Robot | does anyone know if firefox 2 will be in debian unstable? |
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| 05:15.38 | wols | !iceweasel |
| 05:15.38 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 05:16.31 | Deselect | Does anyone know if FFOX plugins and that will still be supported and in CSS will be rendered in the exact same way for IceWeasel? |
| 05:16.50 | wols | Deselect: the name and icon changes. not the sourcecode |
| 05:17.00 | Evil_Pink_Robot | Deselect: probably, i don't know why that'll change |
| 05:17.34 | Deselect | Reason I ask is that other gecko browsers render differently or may not support the FFOX plugins.. Im a webdeveloper and wanted to know |
| 05:17.45 | Evil_Pink_Robot | wols: i was asking if firefox 2 will be put in as is and the renaming and such will take place later or it'll not make it into debian unstable till the renaming and such occur |
| 05:18.16 | Deselect | Thanks. Does anyone here know how I can make my ATERM, which autoloads upon startup, not show in the taskbar? |
| 05:18.18 | wols | since tbird is already renamed, I don't think ffox will keep its name especially with a new major version |
| 05:18.26 | grendal_prime | all i get is an error..Unable to initiate Hotsync operations because the port is in use by another application |
| 05:18.40 | deadcat | wols: whats it called now? |
| 05:18.48 | wols | grendal_prime: lsof ? |
| 05:18.52 | wols | deadcat: read |
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| 05:18.58 | deadcat | wols: read what? |
| 05:19.12 | wols | the channel log about 4 minutes ago? |
| 05:19.32 | deadcat | Deselect: man aterm |
| 05:19.32 | grendal_prime | wols, that gives me an awfull lot of data there |
| 05:19.32 | deadcat | wols: damn. 4min |
| 05:19.34 | Evil_Pink_Robot | i think that makes sense, i don't really use icedove/tbird but ffox should become iceweasel soon enough |
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| 05:19.36 | wols | grendal_prime: lsof <name of your serial device> |
| 05:19.43 | deadcat | wols: oh. iceweasel. is that in sid? |
| 05:19.44 | Deselect | I see. Thank you. |
| 05:19.46 | Evil_Pink_Robot | hopefully, mozilla will relent and release everything under the GPL soon |
| 05:19.51 | tuv | wols, what's tbird called now? |
| 05:19.52 | nevyn | sif |
| 05:19.53 | Deselect | Yes, I am on SID, sorry. |
| 05:19.57 | Deselect | IceDove |
| 05:19.57 | Evil_Pink_Robot | tuv: icedove |
| 05:19.59 | nevyn | tuv: icedove |
| 05:20.02 | Deselect | Hah |
| 05:20.10 | Element14 | O.o |
| 05:20.14 | Evil_Pink_Robot | you win Deselect |
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| 05:20.22 | grendal_prime | wols, i can folow directions pretty good, but umm, i think the problem that im having is that i have know idea what the name of the device is... |
| 05:20.32 | tuv | what's with the ice?? |
| 05:20.34 | wols | Evil_Pink_Robot: not likely and it won't help. there are still trademarks even when the source is free |
| 05:20.41 | Element14 | tuv: fire |
| 05:20.43 | Kyuss | but yea, a kernel is the part of the operating system that manages all of the other peices of the operating system and any other extrenious programs, right? |
| 05:20.54 | Guerin | i actually don't object on software freedom grounds to their trademark policy |
| 05:21.05 | tuv | Element14, tbird hasn't got any fire |
| 05:21.08 | nevyn | it's just stinky |
| 05:21.09 | Guerin | in logo terms, at least |
| 05:21.11 | deadcat | we should just called it firebird or phoenix or something |
| 05:21.14 | Evil_Pink_Robot | wols: i'm not sure on the debian policy on trademarks, afaik trademarks aren't really an issue here |
| 05:21.15 | Guerin | the name - that's stupid |
| 05:21.30 | nevyn | icedove was kinda sad. |
| 05:21.37 | wols | Evil_Pink_Robot: have you read what dpkg said? |
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| 05:22.34 | wols | Guerin: which name? telling people here about "firefox" is stupid too, since it's a stupid name |
| 05:22.57 | Evil_Pink_Robot | wols: ooh.. yes, but trademarks shouldn't be an issue unless moz corp claims a trademark violation, they didn't until recently, so if they chose not to care in the future, debian can go back to having regular firefox |
| 05:23.06 | liable | bah, anyone heard of a box hanging on SMP alternatives: switching to UP code ? |
| 05:23.11 | deadcat | just call it x-window-broswer or something. that rocks |
| 05:23.22 | Evil_Pink_Robot | i still don't see what the problem was in putting in in contrib or non-free |
| 05:23.28 | tuv | you can barely find non-stupid software names, especially in linux world |
| 05:23.29 | liable | stupid thing has done this a few times, only solution is to boot a live cd |
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| 05:23.32 | Evil_Pink_Robot | and releasing iceweasel under main |
| 05:23.39 | liable | otherwise it always does it :( |
| 05:23.48 | wols | Evil_Pink_Robot: you really don't know how trademarks work, do you? they can never stop caring about the trademark, especially now that they started caring |
| 05:23.53 | deadcat | liable: you using beryl yet? |
| 05:23.59 | Guerin | wols: no, i mean it's legitimate within free software to protect your logo or whatever as a trademark, but trademarking the word 'firefox' just makes it difficult for the free software community |
| 05:24.01 | liable | i am starting to curse lenovo and there new pieces of shit |
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| 05:24.04 | Evil_Pink_Robot | wols: yes i guess i'm being naieve |
| 05:24.23 | Guerin | wols: no comment on the quality of the name; it's certainly much better than most free software project names |
| 05:24.24 | liable | deadcat: just fired up the old laptop, so i am gonna install compiz from the repos in a minute |
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| 05:24.45 | deadcat | liable: ah.. |
| 05:25.08 | liable | deadcat: have only been running compiz on the other with xgl |
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| 05:25.17 | Evil_Pink_Robot | wols: the question i have still is can they really enforce their trademark since the code isn't really entirely theirs? i mean, thousands of people developed this browser, so moz corp can't really claim it as THEIR browser |
| 05:25.32 | liable | deadcat: i'll wait untill beryl hits the repos, i am getting a little tired of compiling shit |
| 05:25.48 | wols | they don't. but they can trademark the name. and that they did |
| 05:25.54 | Guerin | Evil_Pink_Robot: they can, because the brand is entirely theirs |
| 05:26.07 | Evil_Pink_Robot | hmmm |
| 05:26.15 | wols | and I dunno where the copyright is assigned to. could be assigned to mozilla corp |
| 05:26.17 | Guerin | Evil_Pink_Robot: the software will always be free, but that's not under issue |
| 05:26.18 | seth1248 | liable: ok, I finally have it working with vesa but only with a max of 1024x768; if I try to use 1280x1024 my monitor reports "out of range"." |
| 05:26.18 | grendal_prime | i mean, i can ping the treo with...l2ping 00:07:E0:27:97:6F and the treo actually reads..connection in progress, but...its just pining and getting a response |
| 05:26.21 | Evil_Pink_Robot | the whole thing seems silly to me |
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| 05:26.46 | wols | see MySQL: you could send them a patch but they will make you assign the copyright to them before they incorporate it. Even when MySQL is GPLed |
| 05:27.03 | Guerin | yeah, mysql is evilitudinal |
| 05:27.11 | liable | yay, only a 580MB dist-upgrade.. |
| 05:27.27 | grendal_prime | wols, would hci0: Type: USB |
| 05:27.27 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.52 | wols | grendal_prime: no clue. never used BT |
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| 05:28.10 | liable | seth1248: can you paste the old xfree log? hopefully it hasnt been overwritten |
| 05:28.13 | Evil_Pink_Robot | anyways, it was nice talking to ya'll, wols, Querin, thanks for answering my questions. Cheers |
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| 05:30.44 | ak70 | hi, does anyone run the official firefox2 on debian sid succeffully? I got a segmentation fault. |
| 05:31.07 | liable | hrm, second person to say that |
| 05:31.34 | Element14 | ak70: i'm running the official firefox2 build on testing without problems |
| 05:31.56 | ak70 | maybe not on sid |
| 05:32.12 | Element14 | no idea. |
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| 05:33.16 | ak70 | If I am not mistaken, the same error has happened since firefox 2 RC1 |
| 05:34.08 | Guerin | i'm running ff2 on sid |
| 05:34.17 | Guerin | working perfectly for a couple days now |
| 05:34.46 | liable | this is driving me nuts |
| 05:34.48 | Guerin | the official build, mind |
| 05:34.55 | tuv | is FF2 any better than 1.5 |
| 05:34.57 | tuv | ? |
| 05:35.07 | Guerin | tuv: depends what you mean. |
| 05:35.23 | tuv | Guerin, i mean ANY |
| 05:35.38 | Guerin | tuv: i don't notice a damn bit of difference except that the 'close tab' x is on each tab, not on the tab bar, and that it can restore sessions |
| 05:35.57 | Guerin | tuv: none of the apparent changes make a damn bit of difference to me |
| 05:36.03 | tuv | Guerin, those are nice features |
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| 05:36.13 | Guerin | *shrug* |
| 05:36.24 | Guerin | otherwise, install went fine, no problems with config, etc. |
| 05:36.25 | wols | Guerin: that close tab thing sucks |
| 05:36.33 | Guerin | wols: i'm not overfond of it |
| 05:36.46 | wols | it also has the min fixed size for tabs using the arrow buttons left and right |
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| 05:36.54 | wols | that sucks too |
| 05:36.57 | Guerin | in fact, the tabberisation has changed a bit mre than that |
| 05:37.16 | Guerin | like konqueror, the X on each tab, and a â†â†’ arrow to let you scroll through tabs |
| 05:37.17 | spike723 | can someone help me get xwindows going with debian, I have a nvidia gforce4 chipset, I'm running stable / sarge |
| 05:37.21 | wols | I have a gazillion tabs open and only see a few of them |
| 05:37.26 | Guerin | instead of just making them smaller and smaller to fit them on |
| 05:37.33 | Guerin | yeh |
| 05:37.46 | Guerin | i'd prefer a second row of tabs |
| 05:37.51 | Guerin | i have screen space to spare |
| 05:37.54 | tuv | well being able to close a tab without the need to activate it is a plus, isnt |
| 05:37.56 | wols | !tell spike723 about drxx |
| 05:38.10 | Rhizome | ff2 feels faster ;) |
| 05:38.18 | wols | spike723: nv driver |
| 05:38.22 | Guerin | tuv: the x is only on the focussed tab |
| 05:38.31 | Guerin | tuv: so you don't get that benefit |
| 05:38.55 | spike723 | wols: how abou vesa console? vga=791? I haven't ran debian in about 7 years |
| 05:39.03 | tuv | Guerin, hmm.. why would they do that?! |
| 05:39.23 | Guerin | tuv: your guess is as good as mine |
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| 05:39.35 | Element14 | Guerin: spell check? |
| 05:39.36 | wols | spike723: framebuffer console is not X |
| 05:39.46 | tuv | Guerin, i couldn't make a single guess ;) |
| 05:39.47 | spike723 | wols: I know, it's a seperate question |
| 05:39.58 | wols | spike723: just don't use fb |
| 05:40.38 | wols | spike723: besides, I don't see a proper question about it, even when it has question marks |
| 05:40.38 | Element14 | Guerin: the textarea spell check is nice |
| 05:40.55 | wols | Element14: if I could add more dictionaries |
| 05:40.56 | Guerin | Element14: c h e c k |
| 05:40.57 | tuv | anyway, being this popular, FF will definitely get criticized no matter what they do |
| 05:41.13 | Guerin | Element14: oh, hadn't noticed. I can spell, see. |
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| 05:41.40 | Element14 | haha |
| 05:41.44 | sid | bleh, I just zipped a .txt and a .chm file, in file.zip; and gmail won't let me send it to myself because it said there is an "executable"(chm) in my zip file |
| 05:41.51 | wols | Guerin: I can spell to. trouble is, I can't type :) |
| 05:41.53 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:41.59 | Element14 | so I guess I can't spell :( |
| 05:42.03 | Guerin | wols: mw tpop |
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| 05:42.43 | wols | sid: .chm has activeX... |
| 05:43.15 | sid | wols: ahh, that's why |
| 05:43.24 | sid | Well gnochm(from main) shows chm's fine |
| 05:43.38 | Element14 | i have problems with those vowels in long words when it's not very clear from pronunciation.... things like defend[a]nt |
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| 05:46.08 | sid | Can I encrypt/password protect a zip and still have windows be able to open it?(for when i print this crap at my school lab tomorrow) |
| 05:46.25 | sid | (I have no access to a windows machine right now) |
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| 05:46.37 | sid | (Since I'm in my home, where proprietary code does not enter) |
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| 05:46.53 | tuv | sid, sure |
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| 05:47.20 | tuv | sid, zip -e |
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| 05:47.48 | liable | wtf would a debian kernel, a compiled kernel, the debian install all hang when the cpu is checked, yet the ubuntu installer boots ok? |
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| 05:47.59 | liable | s/install/installer/ |
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| 05:48.32 | sid | thanks tuv |
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| 05:52.36 | liable | time for a bios upgrade |
| 05:52.47 | nachos | fuckin christ. |
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| 05:56.42 | diskus | do you still need dos bootdisk to update bios? |
| 05:56.52 | diskus | haven't upgraded bios in ages |
| 05:56.55 | Guerin | typically |
| 05:57.05 | Guerin | though you can burn a dos bootdisk image to cd |
| 05:57.22 | diskus | well, that dos thing sounds bad.. :P |
| 05:58.27 | liable | diskus: ibm gives isos now, thank fuck, cause i dont have a floppy or windows |
| 05:59.02 | diskus | well last time I had floppy drive was probably 3 years ago |
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| 06:01.32 | rene1 | any recomendations for a debian supported usb-ethernet adaptor? |
| 06:02.16 | diskus | why use usb-ethernet? |
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| 06:03.44 | rene1 | i have a mac mini |
| 06:03.57 | rene1 | need a second interface |
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| 06:05.20 | kupesoft | which should I install, stable, unstable, or testing? |
| 06:06.00 | liable | kupesoft: start with stable, when you get comfortable or etch releses, move to it |
| 06:06.21 | liable | kupesoft: when you get, um, l337, try sid :P |
| 06:06.35 | kupesoft | I want to have newer packages, |
| 06:06.54 | kupesoft | where can I check what versions of packages that stable has? |
| 06:07.10 | liable | thats nice, but unless you also want to chase bugs, start with sarge |
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| 06:07.46 | liable | stupid goddam kernel still hangs on cpu check |
| 06:08.03 | kupesoft | okay, I'll stick with ubuntu, |
| 06:08.40 | liable | good idea |
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| 06:12.33 | liable | ok, the plot thickens, booting my install from the ubuntu cd doesnt give the problem.. |
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| 06:20.38 | spike723 | where are docs on how to set up anon ftp in debian? |
| 06:21.08 | Element14 | liable: i've had my share of weird lockups when kernel boots before... |
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| 06:24.31 | liable | Element14: this has got me kinda stumped, it mostly boots, then one day it will hang at the cpu check. the only way i have gotten it to boot was after running the ubuntu live cd, then reboot, and it generally fixes it. now it doesnt want to boot at all |
| 06:24.57 | Element14 | hw problem perhaps? |
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| 06:25.11 | chius | Hi!!! OK I have a server with debian installed, but my motherboard is quiet old and when I switch on the save energy modus it halts on. Is there any possibility to manage it with the command line without the bios? |
| 06:25.39 | nevyn | upgrade bios? |
| 06:25.58 | liable | Element14: hrm, its been a bit of a lemon so far, so i wouldnt be surprised, its been back for repairs under warrenty already |
| 06:26.00 | chius | it is not possible I looked up and there is nothing |
| 06:26.03 | nevyn | there's possibly a win2k bios update that makes linux work. |
| 06:26.13 | liable | nevyn: i just did that |
| 06:26.17 | nevyn | hrm |
| 06:26.22 | liable | oops, heh, wrong person.. |
| 06:27.56 | Element14 | liable: we once had a machine which wouldn't boot, or crashes when booting. and then somebody pulled the mains power cord from the PSU, plugged in back in, and everything worked. |
| 06:28.26 | liable | Element14: this is a laptop, so i dunno how much that will help :) |
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| 06:31.23 | Varange | hi all. I want to install OoO version 2, but it's not part of stable. Where do i find the deb packages I need/ |
| 06:31.35 | liable | backports.org |
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| 06:32.09 | Varange | thanks |
| 06:32.42 | creichen | Hi! If I want to upgrade from ``sarge'' to ``sid'', is there anything else that I need to do other than change /etc/apt/sources.list and do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade? |
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| 06:35.04 | nevyn | creichen: it would be advisable to step through testing in my opinion. |
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| 06:35.40 | TraceGreen | Hello, where i can find my cdrom type in /proc, I want to know whether it is hdc or sdc or other |
| 06:36.13 | creichen | nevyn: OK, thank you! |
| 06:37.08 | Varange | how do I use apt-get to see which packages need updating? |
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| 06:37.50 | nevyn | Varange: you don't |
| 06:38.04 | nevyn | Varange: use a front end like synaptic or aptitude or dselect |
| 06:38.05 | Varange | nevyn, oh, no wonder. What do I use? |
| 06:38.15 | Varange | which one is best? |
| 06:38.53 | nevyn | Varange: define best. |
| 06:39.00 | Varange | ok, true, |
| 06:39.12 | Varange | easist to use I suppose |
| 06:39.18 | Varange | what do YOU use? |
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| 06:39.30 | kristalino | hi |
| 06:39.30 | dn4 | how Does cos(a-b)^2 + sin(a-b)^2 = 1 |
| 06:39.58 | kristalino | i just installed debian and i get very small fonts (unreadable) on nmapfe. Any ideas ? |
| 06:40.08 | nevyn | Varange: that doesn't mean it's easy to use ;) at least not in the traditional sense |
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| 06:40.34 | Varange | nevyn, also true. |
| 06:40.49 | Varange | nevyn, I see aptitude does like apt-get |
| 06:40.57 | Varange | what is the difference? |
| 06:41.22 | nevyn | just run aptitude on it's own |
| 06:42.17 | Varange | yep, ok. thanks |
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| 06:43.00 | nevyn | Varange: I use aptitude |
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| 06:43.23 | nevyn | Varange: I reccomend synaptic for new gui people. ;) |
| 06:43.34 | Varange | nevyn, yes, just looked through the manpage. Nice and easy to use |
| 06:43.41 | nevyn | but I find the requirment of X to be onerous |
| 06:43.57 | nevyn | I tend to upgrade my work box from home over ssh and such.. |
| 06:44.02 | Varange | nevyn, that particular box has no x server anyway. Only the one I'm sitting at has :) |
| 06:44.17 | pjz | anyone know where I can get some help doing a bit of software reverse engineering? |
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| 06:44.26 | nevyn | there's always ssh -CX but you get what I mean |
| 06:44.30 | pjz | I've got a webcam that seems to use linux for its firmware |
| 06:44.34 | Varange | nevyn, yep |
| 06:44.38 | nevyn | Varange: the : command is very useful in aptitude |
| 06:44.43 | pjz | so I'm trying to pull it apart into something I can poke at |
| 06:45.09 | nevyn | Varange: : is tiny hold like go back to whatever the state of the package was before I started frigging around ;) |
| 06:46.10 | Varange | nevyn, ahhhh, yes, that IS ueful, lol |
| 06:46.42 | nevyn | and it works on entire categories |
| 06:46.42 | Varange | pjz, I suggest a better girlfriend if you're desperate for soemtihng to poke at ;)) |
| 06:46.56 | nevyn | pjz: vendor? |
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| 06:47.37 | nevyn | pjz: there are some cool tools in tridge's junkcode for recognising common bits of firmware and extracting them |
| 06:47.50 | nevyn | like finding the coff kernel and the root filesystem image |
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| 06:48.28 | pjz | nevyn: it's from http://www.jjdigital.com.au/index.php |
| 06:48.39 | pjz | nevyn: their NC1200-W10 |
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| 06:49.13 | pjz | nevyn: firmware from http://web.aanet.com.au/e-shop/download/nc1200/C61200-WX-2.00.01-61002-A0.zip |
| 06:49.37 | nevyn | yep |
| 06:49.50 | ak70 | I think I found why some people are having problem with firefox 2 on debian sid |
| 06:49.52 | nevyn | sigh I so don't have time |
| 06:50.01 | ak70 | It is Scim' |
| 06:50.08 | nevyn | it's a crashy pos? |
| 06:50.20 | pjz | nevyn: oh, it's very much linux, just 'strings' tells me that much, and I think it's kernel + initrd but I don't know what filesystem the initrd is |
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| 06:50.42 | craigevil | firefox 2 works ok in Sid |
| 06:50.43 | ak70 | disable it then everything goes fine |
| 06:51.00 | ak70 | not with scim |
| 06:51.03 | craigevil | the only thing i cant get to work just right is telling it not to open new windows |
| 06:51.18 | nevyn | pjz: you want to mount the initrd and find the other fun violations.. the kernel guys are mostly wussy about compliance. the busybox guys are not :) |
| 06:52.42 | pjz | nevyn: yeah, but I can't seem to figure out what kind of fs is being used |
| 06:52.52 | Varange | bye all |
| 06:53.04 | pjz | is there a list of filesystems and their magic strings someplace? |
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| 06:53.11 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 06:53.15 | mateuszk | how to enable quota ? |
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| 06:56.35 | pjz | nevyn: it actaully says 'LinuxImage' near the beginning of the file |
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| 06:59.35 | pjz | 'file' says it's just data. |
| 06:59.43 | liable | hrm, seems acpi related after all.. |
| 07:00.43 | nevyn | pjz: http://samba.org/junkcode/ |
| 07:00.57 | nevyn | pjz: there's a dodad in there for ripping appart the random img files |
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| 07:05.10 | borgfish | hello, i have a question about logrotate and my maillog. i entered my maillog to be rotated in /etc/logrotate.conf and tonight a new one was created. permissions seem ok but syslog didnt write into it. howto tell logrotate that it restarts/reloads syslog or is it another error ? |
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| 07:11.14 | tomhet | isit possible to (1) use truecrypt on my /home and (2) use suspend2ram at the same time? |
| 07:11.48 | borgfish | i use truecrypt on my windows and with suspend to diosk its working so why not |
| 07:12.21 | pjz | nevyn: hrm, don't see anything useful there |
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| 07:13.36 | tomhet | kk |
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| 07:17.04 | protoloco | how do i mount a USB mass storage |
| 07:17.15 | protoloco | is located in /dev/sda |
| 07:17.24 | protoloco | but what type is ? |
| 07:17.26 | predder | got a location to mount it in? |
| 07:17.36 | cydork | !tell protoloco about usb storage |
| 07:17.37 | predder | mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/usb |
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| 07:19.14 | cydork | protoloco: and /dev/sda is a device, not a partition it will be like /dev/sda1 or sda2 |
| 07:20.44 | nevyn | pjz: hrm |
| 07:20.49 | predder | cydork, on my box i'm 90% sure you mount usb without the partition number |
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| 07:20.56 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:20.56 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:20.57 | predder | usb mass storage devices* |
| 07:21.47 | cydork | predder: check /proc/partitions if it has a partition table |
| 07:23.38 | predder | just plugged it in, my mistake. You were correct, requires a partition number. I just grep'd my history before and It looks like I've attempted to do it without specifying partition before |
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| 07:24.24 | takuan | how can I change the theme of openoffice in debian? |
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| 07:27.24 | kristalino | i just installed debian and i get very small fonts (unreadable) on nmapfe. Any ideas ? |
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| 07:27.53 | kristalino | i tried to change the order of the XF86config fonts, but it didn't helped |
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| 07:28.04 | kristalino | how to change the fonts please ? |
| 07:28.20 | kristalino | !tell me about fonts |
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| 07:28.56 | scx | fonts are bits |
| 07:29.13 | C0l0mb0 | anyone having problems here with register.com DNS, they appear to be down - anyone know if they have been ddosed? |
| 07:29.22 | scx | :) Bad question=bad answer |
| 07:29.23 | pctony | good morning chaps, I have a question relating to virtual nic's: Is there a limit on how virtual nics on ecan have on each phsyical IF? I have 11 i.e. eth2:2 -- eth2:11 On boot only the nics upto 9 are activated. Yes the others can be done from the CLI after boot. Is there a reason or fix for this? |
| 07:29.48 | protoloco | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 07:29.48 | protoloco | end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 4276135 |
| 07:29.48 | protoloco | hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
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| 07:29.53 | protoloco | Am i fucked ? |
| 07:29.59 | protoloco | with thoses errors ? |
| 07:30.14 | scx | maybe |
| 07:30.15 | protoloco | hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 07:30.15 | protoloco | hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=5062567, high=0, low=5062567, sector=5062567 |
| 07:30.16 | JohnDoh | hi running df -h says my USB memory stick is full but its only about half full does any one know how do i fix this? |
| 07:30.20 | scx | what FS you have |
| 07:30.30 | protoloco | it supposed i have ext3.. |
| 07:30.40 | scx | protoloco: di you run badblocks? |
| 07:30.45 | amphi | protoloco: run smarctl on the drive perhaps - see if it's run out of realloc blocks |
| 07:30.46 | protoloco | mmm nop |
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| 07:32.09 | borgfish | protoloco: semms defect i would try to get the data off i. running fsck will make it worse |
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| 07:33.26 | liable | yay, having login problems |
| 07:33.38 | predder | kristalino, you most likely want to change font size in either kde or gnome, not debian.. i suggest you ask in either of those channels instead |
| 07:33.48 | liable | not to mention a hundred other problems.. |
| 07:34.11 | cydork | liable: now what did you do?? :Pd |
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| 07:34.25 | takuan | ok |
| 07:34.28 | takuan | found it |
| 07:34.32 | takuan | openoffice.org-gtk |
| 07:34.51 | Acke_ubu | hey guys you know the current xandros version number? |
| 07:34.59 | liable | cydork: well, i installed a modem driver, and life has steadily gone very weird from there.. |
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| 07:35.47 | streuner_ | Acke_ubu: why, can't those people in #xandros not answer your question? |
| 07:35.55 | tralala | liable: repeat after me: I shall not use winmodems! |
| 07:36.04 | cydork | hehe |
| 07:36.10 | Acke_ubu | there are no people in #xandros!!!!! |
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| 07:36.44 | Kyuss | .join #ps2 |
| 07:37.01 | liable | tralala: i dont have a choice, but anyway, its actually a long story of things going pear shaped from there. its quite amazing actually |
| 07:37.10 | streuner_ | !they don't know |
| 07:37.10 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 07:37.19 | amphi | liable: what type of abomination is it? |
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| 07:38.06 | tralala | !cluebat the winmodem creator |
| 07:38.15 | Kyuss | there isn't a channel for the ps2, eh |
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| 07:38.40 | liable | amphi: the driver is hsfmodem thingo, but since then, i have had kernel hangs, (even on the kernels without it) and now my fingerprint reader is freaking out, and now my passwords have gone south |
| 07:38.50 | Kyuss | !cluebat chanserv |
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| 07:38.57 | SnOOpyE | !paste |
| 07:38.57 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 07:39.29 | Kyuss | lol, I'm the op of #homework... come in and get help if you need it |
| 07:39.35 | amphi | liable: I have such a thing - I was reduced to using the linuxant driver after failing to get it to work with alsa despite much struggle |
| 07:39.47 | liable | amphi: i got a rpm from lenovo/ibm, its prolly got chinese spyware in it :) |
| 07:39.49 | SnOOpyE | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4210 |
| 07:39.53 | SnOOpyE | any suggestions? |
| 07:40.04 | amphi | liable: what stinkpad is this? |
| 07:40.06 | liable | amphi: ya, i tried the linuxant one, it worked, but ibm have a free one |
| 07:40.11 | liable | amphi: t60p |
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| 07:40.44 | tralala | SnOOpyE, are you root? |
| 07:40.49 | SnOOpyE | yes |
| 07:40.52 | SnOOpyE | i am of course |
| 07:40.58 | amphi | liable: nice - you have a url for the ibm driver? I wonder if it'll work on my t42 |
| 07:41.03 | cydork | tralala: it wont go upto that unless he is not .. |
| 07:41.06 | liable | sec |
| 07:41.23 | SnOOpyE | i dont see where is the error :) |
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| 07:41.38 | liable | amphi: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-65354 |
| 07:41.45 | amphi | liable: thanks |
| 07:41.51 | tralala | SnOOpyE, is /etc located in a read-only fs? |
| 07:41.52 | cydork | SnOOpyE: here it is Error installing new /etc/inetd.conf: Operation not permitted :P |
| 07:42.06 | liable | amphi: try it and let me know if it wrecks yours :) |
| 07:42.07 | SnOOpyE | TraceGreen no |
| 07:42.12 | SnOOpyE | tralala no :) |
| 07:42.16 | SnOOpyE | its rw |
| 07:42.36 | liable | are you sure there werent boot errors? |
| 07:42.42 | liable | cat /proc/mounts |
| 07:42.47 | tralala | SnOOpyE, can you touch /etc/inetd.conf? |
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| 07:43.14 | SnOOpyE | yes i can i can edit by hand inetd |
| 07:43.59 | tralala | I don't want you to edit it - just touch it |
| 07:43.59 | amphi | liable: looks like it won't work on mine, the hw seems to be quite different - did the linuxant hfs driver work on yours? |
| 07:44.06 | liable | ok, brb, gonna see if compizzle will work on old faithfull |
| 07:44.24 | liable | amphi: yep, i only tried the free crippled version |
| 07:44.35 | SnOOpyE | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.35 | SnOOpyE | touch: cannot touch `/etc/inetd.conf': Permission denied |
| 07:44.39 | SnOOpyE | ? |
| 07:44.54 | liable | amphi: no idea if the ibm one works, i have much worse problems than modem drivers now :( |
| 07:45.23 | liable | brb |
| 07:45.31 | cydork | SnOOpyE: lsattr /etc/inetd.conf |
| 07:45.34 | SnOOpyE | i gues i cant touch :) |
| 07:45.43 | SnOOpyE | ----i------------ /etc/inetd.conf |
| 07:45.51 | SnOOpyE | its output of lsattr |
| 07:45.58 | tralala | SnOOpyE, see? you have a problem with the fs |
| 07:46.15 | SnOOpyE | hm what to do? |
| 07:46.18 | cydork | nope.. |
| 07:46.45 | cydork | SnOOpyE: chattr -i /etc/inetd.conf |
| 07:46.52 | SnOOpyE | e get it |
| 07:46.54 | cydork | SnOOpyE: and try the apt-get again. |
| 07:46.54 | SnOOpyE | yes |
| 07:46.58 | tralala | uhm.... do you have selinux? |
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| 07:47.04 | SnOOpyE | yes yes i thnik of that righ now and |
| 07:47.06 | SnOOpyE | its ok |
| 07:47.13 | SnOOpyE | no i just put some security :) |
| 07:47.15 | SnOOpyE | lol :) |
| 07:47.34 | tralala | meh |
| 07:48.01 | SnOOpyE | tnx very much :) |
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| 07:48.07 | SnOOpyE | i put some chattr +i on some files |
| 07:48.09 | SnOOpyE | and forget it |
| 07:48.56 | SnOOpyE | stupid me :) |
| 07:49.03 | borgfish | hello, i have a question about logrotate and my maillog. i entered my maillog to be rotated in /etc/logrotate.conf and tonight a new one was created. permissions seem ok but syslog didnt write into it. howto tell logrotate that it restarts/reloads syslog or is it another error ? |
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| 07:49.11 | cydork | SnOOpyE: i agree :P |
| 07:49.43 | SnOOpyE | :) tnx again |
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| 07:51.29 | Ozewa | dood |
| 07:51.42 | liable | wheres my car! |
| 07:51.52 | SnOOpyE | i try ti setup amanda now brb if i have problems :) |
| 07:51.58 | SnOOpyE | where is my car dood :) |
| 07:52.16 | tralala | borgfish, logrotate does restart syslog normally. Try to reconfigure it |
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| 07:53.49 | borgfish | ill put in postrotate \ /usr/bin/killall -HUP syslogd \ endscript |
| 07:53.55 | Ozewa | naw dood, trying to find a channel where I can ask some questions about a PS2 |
| 07:55.33 | yacc | Just wondering, any one got an idea, why I'm missing a /dev/aloadC0, while having the /proc/asound/card0 showing my soundcard? |
| 07:56.01 | tralala | borgfish, it is unneeded since debian already takes care of it but if you're feeling strong about it it's okay with me |
| 07:56.06 | yacc | 2.6.16.19 self-built kernel (and sound worked before I've upgrade to Etch). |
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| 07:59.25 | liable | hrm, compizzle doesnt work out of the box.. |
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| 08:03.19 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:03.19 | dpkg | 14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
| 08:04.15 | takuan | lol |
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| 08:05.18 | amphi | heh |
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| 08:05.50 | mbn_18 | e debian version ? |
| 08:05.57 | mbn_18 | hmm |
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| 08:06.08 | mbn_18 | how do i check debian version ? |
| 08:06.11 | liable | 16 |
| 08:06.40 | amphi | mbn_18: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:06.53 | kristalino | predder, maybe not a good idea. How can i change the default fonts of X ? |
| 08:07.08 | mbn_18 | amphi, its testing/unstable. but is it sarge ? |
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| 08:07.26 | amphi | mbn_18: sarge is 'stable' |
| 08:07.50 | mbn_18 | amphi, ohh i see. so it must be echet ( if wrote the name right ) |
| 08:08.26 | insmod | kristalino: depends -- that is wm specific |
| 08:08.43 | amphi | mbn_18: testing/unstable means etch/sid |
| 08:08.51 | kristalino | insmod, have kde |
| 08:09.03 | kristalino | insmod, the problem of small fonts is on nmapfe |
| 08:09.09 | insmod | kristalino: never used it -- the wife likes it :) |
| 08:09.09 | kristalino | maybe sylpheed claws too |
| 08:09.13 | tralala | mbn_18, echet? Is this french? |
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| 08:09.28 | kristalino | wtf |
| 08:09.31 | mbn_18 | amphi, i find it strange that the 'unstable' is there. all my apt sources are 'testing' |
| 08:09.48 | amphi | mbn_18: I use stable, so don't ask me ;) |
| 08:09.51 | mbn_18 | tralala, defenetly |
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| 08:10.45 | vladuke | does anybody tryed to install debian on hp proliant ml? |
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| 08:11.12 | mbn_18 | vladuke, long time ago it was a pain |
| 08:11.22 | vladuke | i can't find driver for HP Embedded SATA RAID Controller Driver |
| 08:11.38 | mbn_18 | vladuke, i suppose that with the newer kernel all the hardware is easily supported / detected |
| 08:11.49 | syntaxx | after i created a iptable rule how can i make it to start on boot? |
| 08:12.11 | mbn_18 | vladuke, lol. i guess nothing new under the sun |
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| 08:12.47 | vladuke | d'oh! =( |
| 08:13.22 | mbn_18 | vladuke, try to google for the answer |
| 08:13.38 | vladuke | it was first thing that i do. |
| 08:13.45 | tralala | vladuke, /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 08:13.57 | tziku | hello, 3 days ago i see kacpid using 1.0 time of cpu , 2 days ago at 8.0 time of cpu and yesterday my system was freeze (text on screen). |
| 08:14.01 | tziku | help ? |
| 08:14.09 | vladuke | i've tryed to install 3.1r3 |
| 08:15.52 | vladuke | and installation was finished when choosing language. |
| 08:17.04 | tralala | syntaxx, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-firewall-pack |
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| 08:26.12 | liable | wow, that ibm modem driver truly is a piece of shit, removing it and everything goes back to normal. how fucked up can a modem driver be when it messes with login!!?? |
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| 08:27.02 | Zap-W | how do i creat tdbsam user accounts in samba insted of smbpasswd |
| 08:27.09 | cydork | liable: i still dont understand, how it affects login? |
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| 08:29.19 | liable | cydork: neither do i, but it did. i couldnt log in as root or user... |
| 08:30.54 | liable | now that gets me thinking about the linuxant driver, i cant remember if my kernel hangs started after i installed that.. |
| 08:31.04 | amphi | haha |
| 08:31.32 | amphi | the linuxant driver loads a ludicrous number of modules |
| 08:32.03 | liable | amphi: i installed it before the box went in for warrenty, and at some stage i started to get kernel hangs at checking the cpu, as soon as i installed the ibm one, i got the same problem |
| 08:32.23 | liable | amphi: oh yeah, its evil the amount of scripts and shit that it installs |
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| 08:34.59 | Baco | Art0131k TR deki BG göcmenlerin sitesi var sende gel üye ol kat0131l aram0131za ve yeni arkadasl0131klar yap0131n sizide bekleriz. www.gocmeniz.net |
| 08:35.06 | Baco | www.gocmeniz.net |
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| 08:36.03 | amphi | !tr |
| 08:36.03 | dpkg | [tr] türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net) -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 08:36.56 | seth1246 | liable: Thank's for your help. I ended up just installing debian testing and as default it installed the via drivers with everything working perfectly. |
| 08:37.24 | liable | seth1246: good to see you got it sorted |
| 08:38.01 | liable | Baco: i have no idea what you siad, and thats a nice looking web site, but please dont spam us |
| 08:38.20 | Baco | www.gocmeniz.net |
| 08:38.28 | liable | Baco: dont |
| 08:38.35 | Baco | www.gocmeniz.net |
| 08:38.38 | amphi | Baco: what about it? why are you spamming? |
| 08:38.38 | Baco | www.gocmeniz.net |
| 08:38.45 | cydork | !ops Baco is spamming |
| 08:38.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: cydork complains about: Baco is spamming |
| 08:38.46 | Guerin | !ops baco needs to be put in the meatgrinder |
| 08:38.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: baco needs to be put in the meatgrinder |
| 08:38.47 | liable | !ops Baco is spamming us |
| 08:38.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: liable complains about: Baco is spamming us |
| 08:38.53 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:38.56 | fireba11 | lol |
| 08:38.56 | liable | meh |
| 08:38.59 | Baco | Art0131k TR deki BG göcmenlerin sitesi var sende gel üye ol kat0131l aram0131za ve yeni arkadasl0131klar yap0131n sizide bekleriz. www.gocmeniz.net |
| 08:39.00 | fireba11 | now you're overding it |
| 08:39.04 | Baco | www.gocmeniz.net |
| 08:39.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 08:39.08 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.106.204.185] by peterS |
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| 08:39.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 08:39.11 | Guerin | seems we all hit saturation point at the same momnet |
| 08:39.16 | liable | i thought dpkg had a timer thing |
| 08:39.17 | peterS | that was pretty funny |
| 08:39.22 | cydork | hehe :P |
| 08:39.25 | peterS | not the spam, but the hails |
| 08:39.33 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: liable and cydork are spamming us |
| 08:39.40 | peterS | ha |
| 08:39.50 | peterS | Guerin: you knew _you_ could get away with that, didn't you? |
| 08:39.55 | Guerin | once |
| 08:39.57 | peterS | right |
| 08:40.10 | peterS | oy |
| 08:40.16 | peterS | is that a Phated? *wave* |
| 08:40.20 | Phated | :) |
| 08:40.53 | peterS | I seem to have written my name with the initial Ph as well, recently. it was entirely by accident. I was experimenting with devanagari and misread the consonant table |
| 08:41.06 | amphi | heh |
| 08:41.24 | peterS | a Tamil friend told me of my mistake. he was laughing. |
| 08:41.54 | peterS | he couldn't proofread my Tamil, though. growing up in Bombay, he didn't learn to read Tamil, even though he speaks it natively. I thought that was a bit weird. |
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| 08:41.59 | liable | Guerin: you might like this.. http://news.imagethief.com/photos/xinjiang/picture6565.aspx |
| 08:42.37 | topa_ | running glxgears leads to a Seg fault on my laptop which has a Nvidia-7400 GPU, any idea what could be the problem ? |
| 08:42.52 | topa_ | my x.org runs the binary driver |
| 08:44.18 | amphi | peterS: you use the retroflex T? I always found that an odd convention, using the retroflex Ts and Ds for transliterating english words |
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| 08:44.37 | tralala | without knowing the debian, xorg and driver versions my guess is that it's all your fault |
| 08:44.55 | peterS | amphi: I don't know those terms, unfortunately. I don't remember how the consonants I used are described |
| 08:45.13 | topa_ | tralala: debian-testing/unstable xorg 7.1 and the latest nvidia driver |
| 08:45.24 | amphi | peterS: and english A rendered as half Ya & A, eg. 'campus' becomes 'kyAmpas' |
| 08:45.58 | syntaxx | im using webmin but i cant find the iptables config.. anyone know where does webmin firewall puts the config? |
| 08:46.05 | peterS | amphi: my mistake is shown here: http://p12n.org/tmp/write_peter.html - I haven't corrected the Ph consonant yet |
| 08:46.29 | scx | --- what's exactly the diference between i586 and i686 ? --- |
| 08:46.40 | scx | and such |
| 08:46.40 | tralala | 100 |
| 08:46.58 | amphi | peterS: heh, phItar |
| 08:46.58 | peterS | scx: i586 refers to the Intel Pentium and compatibles such as AMD K6. i686 is the Pentium Pro and compatibles, such as the AMD K7. |
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| 08:47.06 | peterS | amphi: right (: |
| 08:47.44 | peterS | scx: if your CPU runs at 300 MHz or higher, it's probably an i686 |
| 08:47.49 | cydork | peterS: hehe.. |
| 08:47.54 | amphi | peterS: I think the other I is more appropriate, FWIW |
| 08:47.58 | peterS | since they stopped making the original Pentium before clock speeds got that high |
| 08:48.32 | amphi | peterS: but the conventions I'm somewhat familiar with are .np rather than .in, which may be different |
| 08:49.00 | peterS | it's possible. I understand the use of the orthography varies somewhat between languages, too |
| 08:49.13 | peterS | just as with the latin script (: |
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| 08:49.23 | scx | peterS: ah ok! it has something to do with the cpu language isn't it? AMD64 is i684 |
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| 08:49.46 | peterS | scx: AMD64 is compatible with i686 but also includes a 64-bit instruction mode |
| 08:50.09 | scx | assembly I mean |
| 08:50.22 | scx | surely |
| 08:50.33 | peterS | i686 chips have certain assembly instructions that i486 and i586 chips do not |
| 08:50.36 | amphi | peterS: thanks, anyway, for a devanagari moment ;) |
| 08:50.39 | peterS | that's the distinction that matters here |
| 08:50.53 | peterS | amphi: any time. I take it you can't read the Tamil either, just like my Tamil friend can't? |
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| 08:51.05 | gebruiker | How do I map my users to /etc/passwd ? |
| 08:51.07 | scx | peterS: got it! :D Thanks |
| 08:51.19 | liable | hrm, gonna try the linuxant driver and see if that gives me curry |
| 08:51.32 | Kevin` | winmodems.. :( |
| 08:51.35 | gebruiker | [ SAMBA Question] How do I map my users to /etc/passwd ? So I don't have to use smbpasswd -a $User |
| 08:51.37 | Kevin` | your on a laptop, right? |
| 08:51.41 | Kevin` | liable ? |
| 08:51.48 | scx | liable: use an external modem and your life will be better |
| 08:51.55 | amphi | peterS: no, I can read devanagari, and tibetan a bit |
| 08:52.11 | liable | Kevin`: yes |
| 08:52.13 | peterS | amphi: you're way ahead of me. I can't read any of those, I just tried to piece together my name for personal interest reasons |
| 08:52.19 | Kevin` | liable :( |
| 08:52.33 | Guerin | liable: noice |
| 08:52.52 | Kevin` | the linuxant driver, and probably all winmodems, have a noticable performance impact on the system |
| 08:53.07 | Kevin` | it's worth it to use a hardware one if you can.. but seems that would be hard for you |
| 08:53.09 | scx | Soft modems are not modems |
| 08:53.15 | amphi | peterS: the tibetan script (at least one of them ;) is a devanagari, which is incapable of rendering many of the sounds of the language, so the spelling is horrifying ;) |
| 08:53.24 | liable | Kevin`: no, i think it causes some fairly drastic kernel errors |
| 08:53.41 | Kevin` | liable i've never had that happen |
| 08:53.46 | Kevin` | it works, but it causes slowness |
| 08:53.48 | liable | Kevin`: i just tried the free ibm one, and it basically fucked my system |
| 08:54.06 | liable | Kevin`: now i am gonna try the free linuxant one and see what gives |
| 08:54.09 | peterS | amphi: heh. that happens sometimes, I guess, when a foreign script is imported by someone who is not an expert in orthography (: |
| 08:54.19 | Kevin` | liable you DO have a conexant modem, right? |
| 08:54.21 | amphi | peterS: an example is the name of a province, pronounce ü, and spelt 'dBus' ;) |
| 08:54.28 | peterS | whoa |
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| 08:54.32 | peterS | that's kinda messed up |
| 08:54.34 | Kevin` | ya, I know, it's not really a modem |
| 08:54.38 | gebruiker | [ SAMBA Question] How do I map my users to /etc/passwd ? So I don't have to use smbpasswd -a $User |
| 08:54.39 | Kevin` | I suppose you could call it a dsp |
| 08:55.10 | peterS | gebruiker: it starts with 'encryption = no' in smbpasswd and continues through disabling encrypted passwords on all your windows clients |
| 08:55.15 | cjari | hi, does any one know what I need to install so that I can start the window manager using startx ? |
| 08:55.32 | scx | liable: This modem works even for my FAX: http://www.amazon.com/USB-Serial-56K-External-Modem/dp/B000EAQ08C/sr=8-8/qid=1161766484/ref=sr_1_8/102-0891174-8810520?ie=UTF8&s=pc |
| 08:55.33 | liable | Kevin`: according to the ibm web docs, yes. and according to my googling and the linuxant docs, yes |
| 08:55.41 | cjari | I installed iceWM using apt-get but there is no startx command |
| 08:55.48 | Guerin | liable: the following from today's Question Time in NZ parliament. Note: the 'Dr Smith' in question is an opposition member and former veterniary surgeon. |
| 08:55.54 | Kevin` | liable fyi, that driver is limited to 14.4 operation |
| 08:55.54 | Guerin | Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE: I respond that I am not responsible for the statements or actions of a member of Parliament. I further note that all those questions are the same. No doubt Dr Smith sees them as being different, just as he advised the Evening Post on 3 August 1998, when he said: “I even knew all the ewes in the stud by sight. Some people think sheep look all the same but to me they all look different.†|
| 08:56.06 | Kevin` | unless you want to give them money, which I don't recommend :) |
| 08:56.33 | Kevin` | but as a backup for internet, it's workable |
| 08:56.33 | peterS | Guerin: nice. very nice. |
| 08:56.38 | liable | Guerin: hehe, thats pretty funny. :) |
| 08:56.48 | sep | cjari, startx is not a part if iceWM it's a part of xbase-clients |
| 08:56.57 | amphi | peterS: yeah, the written language was invented by one guy, Thonmi Sambhota IIRC, who was sent to .in to find a script |
| 08:57.07 | peterS | right, right |
| 08:57.09 | Guerin | having a reason to listen to parliament instead of doing more worthwhile things is one of the perks of being a PoliSci student |
| 08:57.14 | sep | cjari, consider installing x-window-system-core |
| 08:57.27 | liable | Kevin`: yes i know its 14K, what i want to know, is whether its responsible for causing kernel hangs or oopses or whatever the hell is happening to this box at boot |
| 08:57.29 | scx | liable: drivers are included on the distro. I've tested it on Debian, suSE Gentoo, Ubuntu, Knoppix, and Mandriva, it works natively |
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| 08:57.48 | Kevin` | liable for me the linuxant driver has been stable in that regard |
| 08:58.16 | amphi | liable: the linuxant driver hasn't given me probs, except that swsusp doesn't like it |
| 08:58.30 | liable | Kevin`: yeah, i havent come across any sort of complaints anywhere on the net yet about my problem |
| 08:58.37 | amphi | liable: I have to have the acpi script unload and reload it |
| 08:58.55 | liable | amphi: this is a kernel boot problem, not suspend |
| 08:59.00 | cjari | sep: ok thanks I will try that |
| 08:59.18 | amphi | liable: uhuh - just saying that's the only grief it's given me |
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| 08:59.41 | liable | amphi: cool, anyway, i'll find out in 10m i guess |
| 08:59.42 | amphi | liable: apart from being unfree, evil, blah blah of course |
| 08:59.48 | liable | yeah :) |
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| 09:05.36 | liable | good, first boot no problem. |
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| 09:09.49 | sk4nK | Hey, I'm trying to configure a local bind9 server, i've got it running ok, the machines on the lan can use it to resolve my '.dev' zone, but i am trying to 'fake' the external dns setting internally (so mydomain.com is resolved to a LAN ip) but it still keeps doing an external lookup and getting the WAN ip. |
| 09:10.16 | sep | sk4nK, read the docs about "views" |
| 09:10.17 | sk4nK | how do i give precedence to the local zone, and prevent it going external? |
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| 09:10.41 | sk4nK | ok, will do. thanks |
| 09:11.22 | sep | http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~magi/doc/bind9/Bv9ARM.ch06.html#AEN3035 |
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| 09:13.45 | sk4nK | sep, this dns server doesn't service external queries at all (as in people outside the lan can't query it), are views still necessary? |
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| 09:15.13 | peterS | sk4nK: then views are not necessary, just _stop_ forwarding queries to outside at all, and do a wildcard entry for the TLDs to resolve to your host |
| 09:16.40 | sep | sk4nK, no not in that case. /me points to peterS's comments |
| 09:16.55 | sk4nK | peterS: but if i stop forwarding queries, won't LAN users not be able to look up (for example) google.com thourh the server? |
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| 09:17.16 | RichiH | cydork, Guerin, liable: thanls |
| 09:17.19 | sep | sk4nK, views is the thihg you use to not have to run 2 servers like that :) |
| 09:18.53 | sep | sk4nK, just for the zone in question |
| 09:19.02 | kristalino | how to change the font size please ? |
| 09:19.15 | kristalino | !tell me about small-fonts |
| 09:19.58 | sep | !confuse kristalino |
| 09:19.59 | dpkg | No, how is my bacon today, kristalino? lederhosen of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 09:20.02 | amphi | kristalino: you can change the dpi |
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| 09:20.20 | kristalino | amphi, yeap, how ? |
| 09:20.24 | sk4nK | sep: i'm not running 2 servers, I just want to be able to query it, and if it is a LAN address reply apropriately, if it isn't it should look it up. i didn't think it would be too difficult, but it's turning out to be. |
| 09:21.02 | amphi | kristalino: edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 09:21.07 | sep | sk4nK, you can configure 1 zone for each host you want to override, but it's perhaps more pain then just configure the entire domain.com zone and maintain the 2 lists |
| 09:21.20 | kristalino | amphi, yeap and ? |
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| 09:21.45 | amphi | kristalino: wtf do you mean 'and?' ? |
| 09:21.51 | kristalino | the problem is the default font might be a font 6 or something. |
| 09:21.59 | pitillo | kristalino, take a look to this little guide, http://lokalix.dyndns.org/index_en?get=manuales/en/manual_tamfuentes may be is usefull for you. |
| 09:22.10 | amphi | kristalino: default font of what? |
| 09:22.10 | sep | sk4nK, if you want to override the root zone domain.com and still have it use the external DNS for a subdomain of that again you can delegate back to externatl using sub.dmoain.com IN NS externaldnshost |
| 09:22.46 | amphi | kristalino: what I suggested is a solution to the problem of fonts being too large globally in X |
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| 09:24.00 | sk4nK | sep: there is no need to delegate back to an external, all the subdomains are internal |
| 09:25.30 | sep | sk4nK, point is that if you use the root zone localy eg. domain.com then eg www.domain.com must also be specified in the internal or delegated out to extranal if you dont want to maintain both lists |
| 09:28.57 | cjari | what is the command to reconfigure x? |
| 09:29.05 | cydork | !drxx cjari |
| 09:29.06 | dpkg | cjari: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:29.23 | cjari | thanks! |
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| 09:35.41 | cjari | hmm /dev/input/mouse does not seem to be the correct device for mouse, why could this be? |
| 09:35.46 | cjari | its PS/2 mouse |
| 09:36.05 | louben | cjari, try /dev/psaux |
| 09:36.15 | cjari | ok |
| 09:37.12 | cydork | cjari: also try /dev/input/mice |
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| 09:37.38 | cjari | psaux is not in the /dev |
| 09:37.39 | Agrajag- | i have a vg made up of two pvs, one 150gig and another 100gig. pvdisplay shows both these pv's belonging to the vg. vgdisplay displays the size of the group as 250gig, however df is only reporting 150gig for the mounted vg. anyone know what i might have done wrong? |
| 09:37.50 | cjari | cydork: sorry that was what I actually tried first |
| 09:38.59 | cydork | cjari: check if mousedev and psmouse is loaded |
| 09:39.12 | kristalino | amphi, the problem is the fonts are so small that they are unreadable. Not to large :) |
| 09:40.39 | cjari | cydork: how? are those supposed to be in dev ? |
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| 09:42.07 | peterS | cjari: /dev/input/mice will show up when you load the kernel module 'mousedev'. I think psaux shows up then too. |
| 09:44.24 | cjari | peterS ok but I dont have the mousedev command, what do I need to install? |
| 09:44.42 | peterS | cjari: try 'modprobe mousedev' |
| 09:45.07 | peterS | cjari: this really _should_ be done automatically on modern debian installs, so I wonder why it is not for you. anyway, does it make the /dev files appear? |
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| 09:45.23 | possie | anyone using iSCSI in debian? |
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| 09:45.31 | Neeesat25 | Hello to all |
| 09:45.44 | Neeesat25 | How can I set to startx automaticaly? |
| 09:45.52 | cjari | peterS it didnt |
| 09:46.16 | cjari | I forgot to install any windows managers so I guess that is causing problems |
| 09:46.21 | amphi | kristalino: makes no odds if they're too large or too small, you can adjust this by changing the dpi in that file |
| 09:46.36 | Neeesat25 | I have made a service in /etc/init.d/S30startx but when it starts I do not have keyboard enabled |
| 09:46.43 | peterS | cjari: using either devfs or udev, that should have worked. if you are using an old-fashioned static /dev, the files should have been there from the beginning. so now I'm a bit puzzled as to what is going on on your system |
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| 09:47.29 | peterS | cjari: you can also try: 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV input' |
| 09:48.10 | amphi | kristalino: assuming the problem is global, rather than just gtk2, for example |
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| 09:49.06 | Neeesat25 | I have to kill X, login as root and make startx from the command line to work |
| 09:49.54 | streuner | !xsession |
| 09:49.54 | dpkg | [xsession] ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 09:55.14 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:55.14 | dpkg | <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
| 09:56.17 | amphi | *snort* |
| 09:56.18 | cjari | peterS great that gave psaux |
| 09:56.41 | peterS | cjari: now to make sure you actually have a mouse device. is your mouse plugged into a PS/2 port or a USB port? |
| 09:56.57 | cjari | peterS yes |
| 09:57.01 | peterS | cjari: I'm asking you which one |
| 09:57.16 | cjari | peterS sorry, its PS/2 |
| 09:57.29 | peterS | cjari: and your kernel, are you using 2.4.x or 2.6.x? 'uname -r' to find out |
| 09:58.34 | cydork | cjari: which version of debian are you using? |
| 09:58.48 | cjari | peterS please hold on I was trying to start the x and this time it didnt fail on mouse but the screen went black |
| 09:59.39 | cjari | cydork: I can only say that the latest |
| 10:01.53 | cjari | the kernel is 2.4.27-586 |
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| 10:02.57 | peterS | cjari: ok, in that case, you don't really need that 'mousedev' module loaded. it doesn't hurt, but if you want to save a small bit of kernel memory you can 'rmmod mousedev' now if you want |
| 10:03.03 | peterS | cjari: and /dev/psaux is the right device name |
| 10:03.41 | cjari | peterS ok thanks |
| 10:04.03 | cjari | now my problem is that after startx the screen just goes black (its shutdown) |
| 10:05.30 | cjari | ok it was able to recover back to console when I pressed ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 10:05.55 | cjari | the shows that dev/input/mice failed to load because it doesnt exist and some warnings about fonts |
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| 10:06.23 | cjari | any ideas what might be the problem? :) maybe I should just try a clean install |
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| 10:09.23 | cydork | cjari: paste the output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 10:09.52 | cjari | cydork: sorry cant do, its in different PC |
| 10:10.14 | navaladi | my harddisk has bad sector..so kernel is always throwing the error to every console..i wanna to stop that message that displaying on consoles. |
| 10:10.42 | amphi | navaladi: dmesg -n 1 should suppress it |
| 10:11.07 | pelzi_ | better change to a working disk |
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| 10:12.15 | Zap-W | hi , where in exim4.conf.template is the line where i can refuse unresolvable domains , to block spammers who use just an IP address |
| 10:12.50 | cydork | cjari: you can type the version .. |
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| 10:14.45 | navaladi | amphi:thanks dude |
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| 10:14.58 | amphi | navaladi: you're welcome |
| 10:16.29 | cjari | cyrdork, oh I thought it would output a lot |
| 10:16.54 | cjari | I have to try this again later, thanks to you all for the help! |
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| 10:21.11 | vladuke | tralala, "[13:13:46] <tralala> vladuke, /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18" greate thanks for that! |
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| 10:26.39 | tralala | sure |
| 10:27.07 | kristalino | pitillo, thanks. It was usefull, yes :) |
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| 10:28.23 | pitillo | :) |
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| 10:33.16 | mhall | Well I better quit criticizing ReiserFS publicly or who knows *what* might happen... |
| 10:33.31 | amphi | heh |
| 10:34.21 | mhall | amphi: ;-) |
| 10:38.00 | liable | i think you are safe for the mean time |
| 10:38.10 | liable | s/ // |
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| 10:39.21 | mhall | liable: you never know |
| 10:39.26 | mhall | liable: maybe he's the next OJ? |
| 10:39.57 | mhall | liable: it's not that surprising though when you consider how weird he was, and also... http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/ |
| 10:40.13 | amphi | is there any evidence that Frau Reiser has really joined the great majority? |
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| 10:41.50 | liable | hrm i thought i had flash on this box |
| 10:44.25 | mhall | amphi: you mean-- *gasp*-- she moved to windows? |
| 10:45.39 | amphi | mhall: you are not familiar with that eupemism? ;) |
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| 10:47.36 | Trewas | amphi: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/15741175.htm that was quite interesting read for details about the reiser case |
| 10:47.43 | mhall | amphi: i was joking with a pun back at you |
| 10:48.13 | nvz | amphi: you should know better than to bring a euphamism to a pun fight |
| 10:49.34 | amphi | nvz: ;) |
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| 10:49.40 | amphi | Trewas: ta |
| 10:50.35 | mhall | nvz: thanks for the impassioned defense :-D |
| 10:51.07 | nvz | yeah well its the least I could do.. since I dont have anything to eat for breakfast anyhow :P |
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| 10:52.03 | nvz | well time to go, I'm gonna be late.. |
| 10:52.54 | nvz | I look like the executioner |
| 10:52.59 | nvz | muwhahaha |
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| 10:53.40 | enouf | pick me up a bag-o-'wits' while you're out plz |
| 10:54.07 | enouf | mine seem to have jumped off a cliff and taken some sanity with them |
| 10:54.10 | nvz | they stopped selling those in the US |
| 10:54.20 | enouf | order out? |
| 10:54.24 | nvz | heh |
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| 10:54.58 | mhall | LOL |
| 10:55.02 | mhall | gnite |
| 10:55.04 | mhall | it's 4 am |
| 10:55.06 | mhall | and i have work |
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| 10:59.14 | amphi | "Microsoft will operate 64-bit versions of Windows Vista as a tabernacle, with the kernel as the holy of holies" - what a metaphor ;) |
| 11:00.41 | liable | yes, with the kernel molesting the poor alter users |
| 11:01.11 | jago25_98 | Why is this command not doing what I expect: "dpkg -i --ignore-depends libc6 libnetfilter-queue1 libnfnetlink1 libnetfilter-queue1 /s/dl/moblock-nfq_0.8-13_i386.deb " |
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| 11:01.39 | liable | huh? |
| 11:01.47 | liable | jago25_98: why would it? |
| 11:02.15 | liable | jago25_98: use apt-get for the packages and dpkg for the .deb |
| 11:02.42 | amphi | liable: her |
| 11:02.45 | amphi | er, heh |
| 11:02.50 | liable | hah |
| 11:03.01 | jago25_98 | because I've told it to with the --ignore-depends switch, I am using a .deb because I can't see a way to ignore dependancies with apt-get at the moment |
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| 11:04.12 | liable | jago25_98: but why are you trying to install the other packages in that line? if you want to install the deb, then dpkg -i --ignore-depends /path/tp/moblock-blah.deb |
| 11:04.14 | factorx | Which processes in /etc/rc5.d/ are startet earlier? The ones which higher numbers or with lower numbers? |
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| 11:04.20 | factorx | -t+d |
| 11:04.21 | Alexismoy | Hi |
| 11:04.31 | liable | factorx: lower are started first |
| 11:04.36 | factorx | liable, ty |
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| 11:05.19 | enouf | ooops ...where'd she go? |
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| 11:05.28 | enouf | ahhhh |
| 11:05.32 | enouf | !wb |
| 11:05.33 | dpkg | thanks, enouf. It's good to be back. |
| 11:05.33 | peterS | factorx: nothing in rc5.d is started unless you change to runtime level 5. use 'telinit 5' to do so |
| 11:05.33 | liable | it quits same time every night |
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| 11:05.41 | Alexismoy | I'v got a debian sarge system, with amavisd-new setup on it. the amavisd-new version is from backports. I've upgraded amavisd-new since 2 days, but I would like to come back to the old version (from backports). How to do? |
| 11:05.54 | devilz | hi i know it sounds silly, but what is difference between debian and ubuntu? |
| 11:06.02 | enouf | liable: I know .. that was a quick party though this time .. hehe |
| 11:06.08 | jago25_98 | liable, "dpkg: --ignore-depends requires a legal package name" |
| 11:06.09 | factorx | peterS, I know, thank you anyway |
| 11:06.11 | peterS | factorx: or change the default runlevel at the top of /etc/inittab |
| 11:06.17 | enouf | dpkg where were you |
| 11:06.17 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 11:06.32 | peterS | yow |
| 11:06.48 | liable | jago25_98: what cmd did you use? |
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| 11:07.41 | jago25_98 | liable, "dpkg -i --ignore-depends /s/dl/moblock-nfq_0.8-13_i386.deb" |
| 11:08.12 | liable | jago25_98: and thats a valid path? |
| 11:08.17 | jago25_98 | yeah |
| 11:08.24 | Alver | Hello - I recently installed debian (sid) on my thinkpad t43. Whenever I insert an audio cd in the drive, the machine hard freezes (doesn't even respond to magic sysrq anymore). |
| 11:08.34 | liable | try ./s/dl/blah |
| 11:09.52 | jago25_98 | Alver, I really hate that! there should be a separate thread for media! |
| 11:10.47 | cydork | jago25_98: it should be like dpkg --ignore-depends=libc6,package2 -i /path/to/deb |
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| 11:11.13 | enouf | Alver: stop placing rootkit laden Sony, RCA, etc CDs into your drives ... |
| 11:11.29 | Alver | enouf: it's an audio cd I burned myself |
| 11:11.40 | enouf | Alver: try a data cd .. try a boot cd .. and other cds |
| 11:11.50 | Alver | enouf: all work but audio. |
| 11:12.02 | jago25_98 | cydork, thanks but "character `,' not allowed" |
| 11:12.14 | oxyride | I suspect the sony rootkit is a part of the drm plan |
| 11:12.14 | Alver | insert audio cd, wait two seconds, and all is locked up. Have to reboot with the ugly lil button. |
| 11:12.18 | jago25_98 | cydork, hang on I try again |
| 11:12.20 | enouf | Alver: using KDE or GNOME? |
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| 11:12.46 | Alver | enouf: KDE at the moment. I'm suspecting some kind of automounter thing, but can't find anything |
| 11:12.51 | oxyride | lil = ill? |
| 11:13.01 | enouf | Alver: look iin K control center |
| 11:13.09 | enouf | under peripherals IIRC |
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| 11:13.34 | Ono | hi |
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| 11:13.40 | oxyride | hi |
| 11:13.43 | Ono | i install lirc and config files |
| 11:13.49 | Alver | Yes, there's an entry "enable cd polling" and "enable hal backend". Both are enabled and greyed out, so I can't uncheck them. |
| 11:13.50 | Ono | but its not working |
| 11:14.00 | Ono | mode2: No such device or address |
| 11:14.13 | Ono | i need install lirc_serial module |
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| 11:14.28 | enouf | Alver: under notifications .. "do nothing"? is ticked? |
| 11:14.33 | Ono | modprobe lirc_serial => FATAL: Module lirc_serial not found. |
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| 11:15.14 | enouf | Mounted CDROM from the dropdown mime-types box |
| 11:15.49 | oxyride | Ono, is lirc for the remoter something? |
| 11:15.52 | Alver | Yes. Though that shouldn't matter anyway, since an audio cd cannot be mounted in the first place |
| 11:16.01 | Ono | yes oxyride |
| 11:16.08 | oxyride | tv card? |
| 11:16.13 | Ono | i have a remote controller and dvb card |
| 11:16.22 | oxyride | me too |
| 11:16.34 | oxyride | but I am lazy... |
| 11:16.37 | enouf | Alver: look into whatever you default Audio app is (Alsa or OSS or).. and what it's trying to do .. My hal/hardware/cd polling boxes are not greyed out |
| 11:16.38 | Ono | your ir is working? |
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| 11:17.05 | enouf | Alver - yeah I know about mounted audio cds .. but still |
| 11:17.35 | oxyride | I had loaded the module, but I did't use the remoter |
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| 11:18.22 | Alexismoy | which is the option to install a specific version of a package? |
| 11:18.50 | Ono | oxyride, how can i load lirc_serial module? |
| 11:19.09 | oxyride | it depends the brand I think |
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| 11:20.02 | oxyride | Ono, have you done searching on MIRC? |
| 11:20.15 | wintix | has someone experience with frequency scaling on intels core2duo E6600? |
| 11:20.17 | Alver | enouf: kernel: sr0: CDROM not ready. Make sure there is a disc in the drive. (repeated dozens of times) |
| 11:20.24 | Alver | that's from syslog |
| 11:20.42 | enouf | Alexismoy: I'd say just reinstall the older one as usual -- but you may need to do some 'pinning' manipulation in via apt_preferences to fool dpkg into thinking it's the latest -- maybe even temp edit sources.list |
| 11:20.45 | Feax | wintix: yes |
| 11:20.53 | Ono | oxyride, i search this error but i dont find anything for me |
| 11:20.57 | liable | wintix: i usually just use the conservative or ondemand governor |
| 11:21.01 | enouf | Alver: load the modules? for scsi cds? |
| 11:21.07 | liable | wintix: no daemon needed |
| 11:21.09 | enouf | sata |
| 11:21.15 | oxyride | Ono, what brand is it? |
| 11:21.35 | Alver | enouf: without the modules it wouldn't even detect the device, would it |
| 11:21.45 | Ono | technisat skystar 2 |
| 11:21.50 | enouf | Alver: dunno |
| 11:21.53 | enouf | lsmod | grep sc |
| 11:21.53 | enouf | scsi_mod 122220 2 sg,usb_storage |
| 11:21.56 | Ono | lirc support my remote cont. |
| 11:22.04 | Alver | I have that module loaded, yes |
| 11:22.18 | Alver | I'm suspecting some vile automounter thing, but can't find it |
| 11:22.45 | amphi | Alver: I've seen famd be a PITA |
| 11:22.45 | Ono | http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/technisat/TTS35AI this is my remote controller. BUt my problem installing the module |
| 11:22.49 | wintix | Feax, liable: what CPUfreq processor driver are you using? |
| 11:23.14 | liable | centrino |
| 11:23.25 | liable | speedstep_centrino |
| 11:23.26 | oxyride | Ono, mine is AVerMedia -_- |
| 11:23.59 | Alver | amphi: I have libfam installed but not the FAM daemon itself |
| 11:24.16 | wintix | liable: intel enhanced speedstep seems to be the right thing, then? |
| 11:24.24 | enouf | file alteration monitor |
| 11:24.34 | oxyride | Ono, does your dvb card has the radio funtion? |
| 11:24.39 | liable | wintix: yes, are you compiling a kernel? |
| 11:24.42 | Ono | yes |
| 11:24.46 | nachos | hello bedians |
| 11:24.58 | nachos | s/.*/debiants/ |
| 11:24.59 | oxyride | Ono, me too hehe |
| 11:25.02 | Ono | oxyride, maybe my motherboard serial port function is off |
| 11:25.13 | oxyride | Ono, O.o |
| 11:25.14 | jago25_98 | How do I install a package and ignore it's dependancies permenently? |
| 11:25.16 | nachos | does anyone know how to find out where the files are installed for a certain package? |
| 11:25.17 | Ono | :) |
| 11:25.20 | enouf | Alver /etc/init.d/fam stop try grep -ir fam /etc/init.d/ |
| 11:25.22 | Ono | i come back |
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| 11:25.49 | wintix | liable: of course i compile it on my own to fit my needs. i just have some trouble to get frequency scaling to work. |
| 11:25.52 | oxyride | Ono, do you know something dirty secret? |
| 11:26.12 | ]Gnea[ | nachos: dpkg --contents /path/to/the.deb |
| 11:26.35 | petemc | dpkg -L package |
| 11:26.35 | dpkg | No packages found matching package |
| 11:26.40 | liable | nachos: or dpkg -L foo |
| 11:26.44 | enouf | heh |
| 11:26.53 | ]Gnea[ | er yeah, dpkg -L |
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| 11:27.17 | gans20|malchik | hi there |
| 11:27.28 | enouf | gtg .. bbl |
| 11:27.32 | amphi | wintix: have you fiddled with the sysfs interface? |
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| 11:27.34 | liable | ]Gnea[: you have big things sticking out from either side of your nick |
| 11:28.03 | ]Gnea[ | liable: yes, and there thhey will remain for awhile. |
| 11:28.19 | oxyride | Ono, I thought the firmware of these tv cards was time-limited |
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| 11:28.40 | oxyride | what? |
| 11:28.45 | wintix | amphi: one moment, the server is currently rebooting |
| 11:29.04 | ]Gnea[ | 04:25 -!- Ono [n=debian@unaffiliated/siyahport] has quit ["Gittim"] |
| 11:29.13 | oxyride | grrrr |
| 11:29.24 | borgfish | someone familiar with amavisd-new ? i got spam which wont get tagged but has hits=11 |
| 11:29.29 | ]Gnea[ | yes, paying attention is a good thing |
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| 11:29.47 | oxyride | my bad, I ignored them |
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| 11:29.50 | oxyride | hahahah |
| 11:30.03 | ]Gnea[ | stupid. ok, next. |
| 11:30.31 | Alver | Does anyone know how to change the HAL configuration? |
| 11:30.33 | oxyride | farewell, my yellow brothers |
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| 11:30.41 | Alver | Might be that what kills my system |
| 11:30.53 | ]Gnea[ | Alver: install new hardware? |
| 11:31.09 | liable | Alver: you could try stopping hald |
| 11:31.39 | Alver | Hm, stopping it... that sounds like a very rude and impolite thing to do to the system |
| 11:31.42 | Alver | I like it! Let's see |
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| 11:32.54 | wintix | amphi: didn't tweak sysfs |
| 11:33.24 | Alver | liable: if I drop from irc, it didn't work. Brb. :) |
| 11:33.30 | liable | heh |
| 11:33.52 | wintix | liable: do you use powernowd? |
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| 11:34.19 | liable | wintix: nope, i use the two governors that dont need daemons |
| 11:34.28 | wintix | i see. |
| 11:35.15 | wintix | liable: theoretically i just have to modprobe the ondemand daemon and it should work if i have a working CPUdriver? |
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| 11:36.03 | liable | wintix: no, you need to echo it to sys as well |
| 11:36.53 | wintix | liable: can you throw me a bone? :) |
| 11:36.55 | liable | wintix: modprobe ondemand or conservative and the speedstep modules, then, echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 11:37.24 | wintix | let me try that |
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| 11:38.54 | amphi | liable: what governor uses daemons? userspace? |
| 11:39.27 | liable | amphi: all but the conservative and ondemand ones afaik, ive only used those two |
| 11:40.35 | amphi | liable: powersave doesn't either afaik - I use ondemand on ac, and powersave on batt |
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| 11:41.05 | wintix | hrm. speedstep_centrino automatically clocks my cpu down to its normal frequency.. (i usually have it overclocked by 200mhz ) but at least the interface works. |
| 11:41.31 | liable | amphi: really? ok, but why go to powersave when ondemand steps it down to lowest freq required anyway? |
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| 11:41.59 | |ac3| | Hi |
| 11:42.05 | |ac3| | Does anybody know how to create a linux L3 switch? I have 4 ethernetcards in my pc, one (eth0) is configured as a trunk to a cisco switch. I associated 3 vlans with that interface. That seems to work just fine. However i don´t know how to config eth1 eth2 and eth3 (i want eth1 to be vlan10 eth2 vlan20 and eth3 vlan30) |
| 11:42.11 | amphi | liable: to keep it at the lowest all the time |
| 11:42.24 | liable | amphi: oh, ok |
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| 11:42.52 | amphi | liable: I'd rather a web-page rendered slowly than spike the cpu, for example |
| 11:43.28 | liable | amphi: your acpi scripts look after that? |
| 11:43.57 | amphi | liable: yeah |
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| 11:44.12 | wintix | liable: how do i load the ondemand governor? just modprobe ondemand? |
| 11:44.29 | amphi | liable: just echo-ing to /sys/[...]/scaling_governor |
| 11:44.31 | liable | wintix: yeah, then the echo thing i said before |
| 11:44.46 | liable | amphi: ok, from the scripts, not via a daemon? |
| 11:44.51 | wintix | liable: tank you :) |
| 11:45.00 | amphi | liable: yeah, from the event handlers |
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| 11:52.46 | Alver | liable: obviously didn't work ;) |
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| 11:53.08 | Alver | From commandline with HAL stopped it still happens, so it's neither KDE nor HAL |
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| 11:56.35 | liable | Alver: as soon as you put an audio cd in, the machine hard locks? |
| 11:56.51 | Alver | liable: not right away. Takes a couple of seconds |
| 11:57.01 | Alver | But within 30 seconds for sure, yes |
| 11:57.30 | ]Gnea[ | Alver: sorry, i missed a few beats - the only gist i'm getting here is that whenever you put any audio cd in and start playing it, your system hardlocks? |
| 11:57.31 | Alver | and "hard" can be taken literally. Even the sysrq key combos don't help |
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| 11:57.48 | Alver | ]Gnea[: close enough - I don't have to play, inserting it is enough already |
| 11:58.08 | liable | Alver: i dont use kde, and i dont know what it uses to automount, but i would have thought killing hald would stop it. |
| 11:58.09 | ]Gnea[ | Alver: when's the last time you messed with any of the jumpers or cabling on the system? |
| 11:58.29 | Alver | Hm, wait, from commandline it didn't lock *automatically*, only when I started cdparanoia to access it... |
| 11:58.40 | Alver | so your statement could be correct |
| 11:58.51 | Alver | ]Gnea[: never touched it, it's a laptop |
| 11:58.56 | ]Gnea[ | Alver: does that happen with only a certain audio cd or with any? |
| 11:59.03 | Alver | ]Gnea[: all of them |
| 11:59.10 | ]Gnea[ | Alver: what make/model? |
| 11:59.19 | Alver | IBM thinkpad t43 |
| 11:59.21 | liable | Alver: so try to open it with mplayer or something |
| 11:59.31 | Alver | the harddisk and cds are detected as scsi (sata) |
| 11:59.57 | liable | eew they have that horrible ide-scsi bridge fuckage |
| 12:00.04 | Alver | liable: eh, it happens with cdplay, cdparanoia, kaudiocreator... I doubt mplayer would make a difference |
| 12:00.05 | liable | iirc |
| 12:00.13 | ]Gnea[ | Alver: what branch of debian and which kernel? |
| 12:00.23 | Alver | liable: correct, installer with 2.6 doesn't even run |
| 12:00.35 | Alver | ]Gnea[: sid, 2.6.18-686 |
| 12:00.51 | ]Gnea[ | Alver: sec |
| 12:01.57 | ]Gnea[ | Alver: have you read this url? http://wiki.foosel.net/linux/t43 |
| 12:02.27 | Alver | I believe so, I read a handful of sites to get debian up and running |
| 12:02.43 | sk4nK | sep: i'm still having problems getting my LAN dns server to report correctly, could someone please have a look at my config. I think i've included all the relevant information at http://pastebin.ca/220917 I've tried everything i can find and have run out of ideas. |
| 12:02.50 | liable | Alver: weird a sound lib would hard lock a box, i would be more inclined to think its something like hal that hooks into the kerel |
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| 12:04.27 | ]Gnea[ | Alver: well, the author there seems to have figured a lot of such problems out - i've never heard of a cdrom showing up as a sata device tho... but there's a bit there about a kernel parameter that you may need to pass |
| 12:04.29 | Alver | liable: think so too. There was a kernel message... trying to find it again in syslog |
| 12:04.47 | liable | Alver: kill hald, and x, try playing the cd from the cli with mplayer |
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| 12:05.32 | Alver | liable: wouldnt' that be virtually the same as running cdparanoia from cli without hald and X? |
| 12:05.50 | liable | Alver: yeah, that did it last time? |
| 12:06.07 | Alver | It locked it up the very second cdparanoia tried to access the drive |
| 12:06.40 | liable | Alver: try another kernel then, get the next oldest one. |
| 12:07.14 | Alver | Mmm... yea. Might give that a try. |
| 12:07.47 | Alver | "kernel: sr0: CDROM not ready. Make sure there is a disc in the drive." are plenty too |
| 12:07.57 | sk4nK | oops, that ^^ wasn't supposed to be directed at sep. can anyone help? |
| 12:08.10 | Alver | Though it doesn't look like it always happens, so might be unrelated to the freeze |
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| 12:10.29 | liable | Alver: sr0? that an unusual identifier for the drive |
| 12:10.41 | Alver | liable: it's a softlink to scd0 |
| 12:10.52 | Alver | No idea why it's there either |
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| 12:13.39 | Alver | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 2 package `nxagent': value for `status' field not allowed in this context |
| 12:13.44 | Alver | What the bloody hell. |
| 12:14.16 | liable | Alver: dpkg --clear-available; apt-get update |
| 12:14.53 | Alver | dpkg: unknown option --clear-available |
| 12:15.20 | Alver | ah, clear-avail |
| 12:15.56 | saintiss | hi all |
| 12:15.59 | Alver | That did it, thanks. |
| 12:16.12 | saintiss | is there any way so far to view windows media player movies which are embedded on websites? |
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| 12:16.58 | Alver | saintiss: mplayer has a mozilla plugin that handles most but not all movies iirc |
| 12:17.00 | Ronin | saintiss: mplayer does that nicely for me |
| 12:17.01 | liable | saintiss: mplayer or totum plugins |
| 12:17.14 | saintiss | Ronin, mplayer in which browser? |
| 12:17.14 | liable | or vlc prolly |
| 12:17.27 | Ronin | galeon and ff |
| 12:17.30 | saintiss | hmm... problem is, in any browser it just gives me a message that type of content can't be handled |
| 12:17.40 | saintiss | Ronin, could you check this website: |
| 12:17.44 | saintiss | http://www.toptv.be/v1/?page=detail&id=84 |
| 12:17.49 | liable | saintiss: you have w32codecs installed? |
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| 12:18.05 | Alver | saintiss: works here, at least the mainsite movie |
| 12:18.08 | saintiss | liable, I do, yes |
| 12:18.14 | Ronin | saintiss: heh i know it will work now, im on a windows box sshing in home to my debian one |
| 12:18.18 | saintiss | Alver, hmm, how did you install the plugin then? |
| 12:18.37 | saintiss | if I open that site in firefox, it offers me to "install plugin", but then finds none |
| 12:18.38 | Alver | saintiss: eh... apt-get install mozilla-mplayer |
| 12:18.44 | saintiss | hmm, interesting... let's see |
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| 12:18.59 | Alver | You'll probably need the debian-multimedia source added to apt |
| 12:19.21 | liable | saintiss: get mozilla-mplayer package |
| 12:19.29 | liable | !lose me |
| 12:19.29 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 12:19.43 | Alver | heh |
| 12:19.47 | saintiss | aha... doesn't work in 64-bit apparently, but let me try in 32-bit |
| 12:20.17 | saintiss | great! |
| 12:20.19 | saintiss | thanks :) |
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| 12:25.05 | Alver | There, installed 2.6.26 |
| 12:25.09 | Alver | ehh. 16. |
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| 12:25.58 | dererk[w] | G'Morning/Buenos dias! ^_^ |
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| 12:26.30 | GoAuLd | alver bad, u had to install 2.6.18 |
| 12:26.54 | kromagg | 2.6.18 has this USB device bug |
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| 12:27.48 | cr3 | is there a way to determine the current ulimit of a running process? |
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| 12:35.17 | nachos | fuck... wtf happend to my 'user' table |
| 12:35.20 | nachos | damn mysql is shit |
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| 12:39.19 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:39.19 | dpkg | <yevgeniy2> !sest <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more. |
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| 12:39.38 | ]Gnea[ | gah, i hate scsi sometimes |
| 12:39.59 | liable | i wish i had some scsi drives to hate |
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| 12:40.15 | ]Gnea[ | i've got 4 identical seagates sitting here |
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| 12:40.33 | niles | i rebooted my computer. |
| 12:40.41 | ]Gnea[ | very nice drives, yet something is preventing them from being detected. |
| 12:40.42 | niles | still... my printer is not working |
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| 12:40.53 | niles | it prints garbage... pure treachery |
| 12:41.07 | niles | Woefully Pathetic. and intolerable. |
| 12:41.14 | ]Gnea[ | the only way even one will be detected is if i remove the id jumper and hook only one up agt a time |
| 12:41.33 | ]Gnea[ | niles: welcome to my world. |
| 12:41.33 | niles | when it comes to office work. id say microsoft is a champ. |
| 12:41.33 | niles | sigh |
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| 12:41.35 | niles | i even restarted cups. |
| 12:41.43 | niles | it's just un bearable. |
| 12:41.45 | niles | sigh |
| 12:41.46 | niles | : ( |
| 12:41.49 | ]Gnea[ | niles: dude, i'm the king of getting printing to work in linux. what printer is it? |
| 12:41.51 | liable | niles: one of the things linux generally sucks at, is indeed printing |
| 12:42.04 | ]Gnea[ | screw that, linux can print just fine. |
| 12:42.15 | niles | my hp deskjet 940c |
| 12:42.23 | liable | sure, *if* theres a driver |
| 12:42.24 | niles | was just fine 3 days ago |
| 12:42.26 | ]Gnea[ | dude, it's an hp, it'll work - what backend are you using? |
| 12:42.31 | blondie | PS printers are easy |
| 12:42.45 | liable | !be a printing barbie |
| 12:42.46 | dpkg | Aww, printing is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 12:43.01 | niles | back end? |
| 12:43.04 | niles | cupsys |
| 12:43.30 | ]Gnea[ | no, cupsys is the frontend - the backend driver that provides the PPD |
| 12:43.55 | ]Gnea[ | hpijs or hplip? |
| 12:44.06 | niles | default |
| 12:44.12 | liable | heh |
| 12:44.13 | ]Gnea[ | there is no default. |
| 12:44.24 | ]Gnea[ | you either installed hpijs or hplip. |
| 12:44.31 | liable | tell him how to find out |
| 12:44.38 | ]Gnea[ | or hell, even hpoj |
| 12:44.48 | ]Gnea[ | ultimately, you should be using hplip |
| 12:44.57 | niles | ok |
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| 12:45.03 | niles | but the properties dont say jack |
| 12:45.14 | ]Gnea[ | HP actually made it for linux and actively supports it. it's the best set of hp printer drivers for linux ever, hands down. |
| 12:45.45 | niles | in printers. i have multiple instances for the same printer |
| 12:45.47 | niles | is that ok |
| 12:46.02 | ]Gnea[ | ok, get in a shell and tell me how many ppd files you have in /etc/cups/ppd/ |
| 12:46.14 | ]Gnea[ | no, delete them all |
| 12:46.22 | ]Gnea[ | go ahead and delete all your classes while you're at it |
| 12:46.29 | niles | DeskJet 940C-1.ppd DeskJet-940C.ppd |
| 12:46.37 | niles | in /etc/cups/ppd/ |
| 12:46.51 | ]Gnea[ | ok cool, delete the printers and classes from the web config first |
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| 12:47.36 | niles | whats the web page |
| 12:47.38 | ]Gnea[ | are the ppd files still there? |
| 12:47.45 | niles | no should i delete em ? |
| 12:47.48 | ]Gnea[ | http://127.0.0.1:631/ |
| 12:47.53 | ]Gnea[ | no, not yet |
| 12:47.57 | niles | oh from that url |
| 12:47.58 | niles | ok |
| 12:48.05 | ]Gnea[ | yeah - that's the web interface |
| 12:48.13 | ]Gnea[ | niles: do you have foomatic-gui installed? |
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| 12:48.19 | niles | yea |
| 12:48.24 | ]Gnea[ | did you use it? |
| 12:48.53 | ]Gnea[ | don't use it now if you haven't |
| 12:49.00 | ]Gnea[ | we're just going to forget about foomatic for now |
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| 12:49.12 | niles | ok |
| 12:49.38 | ]Gnea[ | ok, take a look at DeskJet-940C.ppd with the less command |
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| 12:50.04 | ]Gnea[ | scroll down a bit through it and tell me what *PCFileName and *Manufacturer says |
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| 12:51.13 | niles | ]Gnea[ : i'll get back to you. i have a college class to go to. |
| 12:51.14 | niles | UNIX |
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| 12:51.28 | ]Gnea[ | ok, i might be asleep by then |
| 12:51.36 | niles | its ok |
| 12:52.09 | ]Gnea[ | but make sure that you install hplip and hplip-ppds if you haven't already |
| 12:52.50 | ]Gnea[ | if you feel like trying to set it up again later, use the PPD file from there |
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| 12:58.14 | zzz | Hi! I have an etch system on amd64. How can i compile a kernel on it for i386? I tried to compile it after debootstraped an i386 system and chrooted, but it was still amd64. Can i compile a kernel anyway for i386 on it? |
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| 13:02.10 | liable | zzz: check the --arch option, the people that would prolly know better are #debian-amd64 |
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| 13:04.00 | tralala | !botspank |
| 13:04.00 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
| 13:04.02 | zzz | liable: If i' m not mistaken, the --arch uses arch files, but not arch command (i mean processorcommand).. |
| 13:04.57 | Bracki | any mc users? how can i automatically cd to the dir on either left/right side? |
| 13:05.02 | syntaxx | anyone good at iptables? i cant connect to my samba when deploying this rule http://pastebin.ca/220960 anyone know what im missing or error? |
| 13:05.23 | liable | zzz: k, i'kk take your word for it, i havent ever cross compiled |
| 13:05.46 | tralala | Bracki, alt_enter? |
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| 13:06.48 | zzz | liable: I have never done it before, just i tried out --arch today. Anyway thanks.. |
| 13:06.52 | liable | i dont quite understand the question |
| 13:07.04 | Bracki | tralala: found it M-o |
| 13:07.04 | liable | zzz: np, try the 64 channel |
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| 13:08.21 | jelly | I've added some fonts to /usr/share/fonts/truetype, what needs to be run to make them visible to (gtk2,qt) apps? |
| 13:08.52 | tralala | jelly, man xset |
| 13:09.19 | jelly | tralala: isn't xset only for legacy X fonts? |
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| 13:12.17 | tralala | if it is, restarting the TT fontserver should do the trick |
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| 13:14.15 | jelly | tralala: there is no tt fontserver. ttf fonts are handled client-side. |
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| 13:16.35 | plutonas | hello I just connected to my dsl router. How can I configure debian to get automatic IP every time I boot? |
| 13:16.50 | pelzi_ | man interfaces |
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| 13:17.00 | amphi | plutonas: man 5 interfaces |
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| 13:18.26 | plutonas | thx for the tip but I'm a newbie and don't get it very well |
| 13:18.42 | plutonas | i dont know about ifup etc |
| 13:19.32 | tralala | jelly, this is the first time I hear about client-side font handling |
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| 13:19.50 | frederick85 | what file does my apt repository information download into |
| 13:20.53 | liable | plutonas: i good doc is /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 13:21.26 | cydork | frederick85: repos info is stored in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 13:21.40 | pelzi_ | tralala: client side fonts are today |
| 13:21.54 | plutonas | ok liable thx. I thought that it was a simple command... Now I have to study... |
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| 13:22.33 | tralala | pelzi_, interesting |
| 13:22.46 | tralala | xset should be the tool to use then |
| 13:23.07 | liable | plutonas: it is, but you just need a line or two in /etc/network/interfaces , i am surprised the installer didnt do it for you |
| 13:23.21 | jelly | tralala: well, freetype/fontconfig/whatever apps don't use the font server for ttf fonts. |
| 13:23.34 | douglas | x loads up as slow as hell.. but when it's fired up, which takes sometime between ten minutes and a half hour, it's fine.. tailing Xorg.0.log, the last line i get is (**) RADEON(0): RADEONSaveScreen(2)... what gives? |
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| 13:23.59 | plutonas | liable, what installer? |
| 13:24.06 | liable | douglas: holy shit! your one patient fucker :) |
| 13:24.18 | liable | plutonas: when you installed debian |
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| 13:24.34 | douglas | yeah well i gots to get my debian on.. plus i can hop into the console during the load and get my cli on |
| 13:24.45 | tralala | s/whe/if/ |
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| 13:24.50 | douglas | it's just my laptop battery loses a good chunk of juice during the process |
| 13:24.50 | plutonas | liable, so you think I don't have to do anything? |
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| 13:25.14 | tralala | douglas, running kdm? |
| 13:25.40 | douglas | tralala: i was using gdm/kde, i removed gdm, got no dm now, and it doesn't make a difference |
| 13:25.41 | liable | plutonas: if your net isnt working, then yes, you do need to do something |
| 13:25.43 | wes__ | How can I check to see if my package tree is correct, I tried aptitude search awstats but there are no results |
| 13:25.48 | douglas | same deal with gnome and twm |
| 13:25.57 | wes__ | it says in some debian reposatory that the package is 'awstats' |
| 13:26.28 | liable | !info awstats |
| 13:26.32 | dpkg | awstats: (powerful and featureful web server log analyzer), section web, is optional. Version: 6.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 834 kB, Installed size: 4644 kB |
| 13:26.42 | plutonas | liable, I just got connected, do I have to reboot to check if it works, or a simple log out works? |
| 13:26.48 | tralala | douglas, which driver? |
| 13:26.50 | wes__ | yep that's it, I can't seem to get it though. . |
| 13:27.13 | liable | plutonas: how did you get conneted? |
| 13:27.13 | douglas | tralala: for what, video? radeonfb, drm, .. |
| 13:27.17 | cydork | wes__: using etch? |
| 13:27.20 | wes__ | yes |
| 13:27.21 | liable | wes__: and the apt error is? |
| 13:27.26 | plutonas | I asked at greek #linuxhelp |
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| 13:27.35 | liable | oh, is it missing in etch? |
| 13:27.35 | cydork | !+info awstats etch |
| 13:27.37 | wes__ | liable: the aptitude just doesnt return anything |
| 13:27.37 | dpkg | Package 'awstats' does not exist. |
| 13:27.39 | cydork | liable: yep |
| 13:27.54 | liable | !why is awstats not in testing? |
| 13:27.55 | dpkg | awstats is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=awstats |
| 13:27.56 | plutonas | and a guy told me to paste something for him and then I inserted 3 commands that he told me and it works fine |
| 13:28.04 | wes__ | dang . . |
| 13:28.12 | wes__ | that sucks |
| 13:28.35 | douglas | tralala: but video shouldn't matter as the vnc server also is the same deal |
| 13:28.38 | douglas | right? |
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| 13:28.58 | liable | plutonas: ok, so the card obviously works, read that file i mentioned and edit your interfaces file, and come back if you cant get it working |
| 13:29.01 | douglas | that is when vnc is firing up its own dm... |
| 13:29.08 | tralala | woow! |
| 13:29.12 | douglas | i can get in fine when it's just desktop sharing |
| 13:29.15 | plutonas | ok liable thx |
| 13:29.47 | liable | plutonas: but yeah, you'll need to either rebbot or restart networking to see if you got it right |
| 13:29.55 | liable | reboot |
| 13:30.09 | tralala | how's the cpu usage when it's loading? |
| 13:30.13 | douglas | tralala: sometimes it works just fine, mysteriously.. don't think i'm changing any variables, and i just did a badblocks that revealed no errors |
| 13:30.42 | cydork | !dbugs #388571 |
| 13:30.45 | dpkg | #388571:S[awstats] Undistributable icons included; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:18:02 UTC |
| 13:30.47 | cydork | hehe |
| 13:30.52 | douglas | tralala: damn it just finished and i forgot to check. I ssh'ed in and it took a good 10 seconds to ask for the password so maybe the load's heavy |
| 13:30.55 | wes__ | liable: I can do a hand install of it though right? |
| 13:31.10 | douglas | then again, maybe not |
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| 13:31.47 | liable | wes__: sure, as long as you can satisfy the depends |
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| 13:32.44 | douglas | tralala: any other logs i might want to be tailing during the load? |
| 13:32.47 | liable | release freezes can be a pain in the arse when packages go missing.. |
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| 13:34.11 | douglas | tralala: just glanced at the Xorg log, after the delay on that RADEONSaveScreen line i mentioned it then says Syaptics deviceoff called, then something about aiglx, and a bunch of other radeon stuff. Nothing that says "error" or anything else sketchy |
| 13:34.15 | cydork | liable: guess which icon is the problem :) |
| 13:34.21 | tralala | douglas, you want to see if any process is overusing the cpu and play with the driver/framebuffer |
| 13:34.34 | douglas | ok i'll do that |
| 13:34.49 | abeco | Hello it seems that apt-setup (base-config) has disapear from etch. Can I know what has happened? |
| 13:35.02 | liable | cydork: oh, dont tell me its held back because of a firefox icon? |
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| 13:35.10 | cydork | liable: bingo :) |
| 13:35.19 | douglas | tralala: do i want to disable the radeonfb module in modconf, change the xserver-xorg configuration not to use framebuffer mode, both, or maybe disable drm too? |
| 13:35.41 | liable | cydork: hrm, why the fuck isnt it fixed already then |
| 13:35.52 | abeco | Plus the web packages.debian.org is going terribly slow |
| 13:35.58 | douglas | i don't want to lose my gl that i finally got working... |
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| 13:36.07 | douglas | ahh i'll just save a backup of the conf and play with it |
| 13:36.11 | tralala | douglas, try various combinations until you locate the problem |
| 13:36.28 | douglas | thanks by the way |
| 13:36.45 | tralala | sure |
| 13:37.22 | cydork | abeco: well the base-config is ran by the installer so it's not needed after that.. |
| 13:37.32 | cydork | liable: dont ask me :P |
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| 13:38.09 | abeco | cydork aaagggg I need a list of mirrors!!! |
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| 13:38.22 | cydork | !tell abeco about mirrors |
| 13:39.09 | abeco | cydork thanks!!!! (says: apt-setup but at least have a list of mirrors!!) thanks |
| 13:39.40 | tralala | !apt-setup |
| 13:39.40 | dpkg | i guess apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
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| 13:40.32 | abeco | !apt-spy |
| 13:40.32 | dpkg | from memory, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 13:40.54 | liable | insane a rc bug and the last reply was the 11th, over a stupid icon |
| 13:41.50 | douglas | in kde, what do i do to fire up another x session on control alt f8? know what i'm saying? |
| 13:41.54 | tralala | hey, it's a cool icon! |
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| 13:42.52 | lunitik | douglas: kinda a dumb place to put it... but KMenu > Switch User > Start New Session |
| 13:43.10 | lunitik | (or Lock and Start New whichever you want...) |
| 13:44.01 | douglas | lunitik: that's what i thought but it seems to have disappeared |
| 13:44.12 | abeco | cydork If I have understood the email, apt-setup might be avaiable in a package called apt-setup now. Must it? |
| 13:44.24 | lunitik | douglas: 3.5.5, that is where it is by default... |
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| 13:44.34 | douglas | i think it might have popped up on Log Out along with other options to shut down or reboot |
| 13:44.44 | douglas | oh you know what it's probably because i removed the desktop manager |
| 13:44.44 | liable | abeco: not available in testing or sid |
| 13:44.54 | Borgon | hello, how can i refresh my apt-get to read other sources? am trying to install ruby but the debian main mirror seems to be down. |
| 13:44.58 | douglas | ... because with gdm on i could reboot as non-root |
| 13:45.09 | rgsteele | Borgon: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:45.11 | abeco | liable ok, thanks |
| 13:45.12 | lunitik | douglas: Debian usually doesn't patch things that heavily, but I don't know... |
| 13:45.17 | Borgon | rgsteele: ok |
| 13:45.34 | lunitik | douglas: could be the option requires KDM to work... that is more likely that Debian patching KDE packages ;) |
| 13:45.42 | lunitik | (at least patching like that) |
| 13:45.57 | tralala | yep, that's my guess too |
| 13:45.57 | douglas | lunitik: what's the startx option to use a different display than 0? |
| 13:45.58 | macken | got a window with msg "Could not find mime type application/octet-stream". on boot-up. where could the problem be? |
| 13:46.02 | Borgon | rgsteele: i only see 1 line.... where can i get other fast trusted mirrors? |
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| 13:46.19 | lunitik | douglas: startx -- :1 (note two -'s) |
| 13:46.26 | tralala | startx -- :1 |
| 13:46.33 | cydork | !tell Borgon about mirrors |
| 13:46.41 | liable | !tell Borgon about mirrors |
| 13:46.45 | liable | !lose me |
| 13:46.46 | rgsteele | Borgon: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 13:46.46 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 13:46.52 | lunitik | douglas: startkde has no such option though :( |
| 13:47.03 | lunitik | douglas: they ought to add it... blah |
| 13:47.49 | tralala | isn't startkde supposed to be run from xsession? |
| 13:48.00 | liable | i thought so |
| 13:48.05 | douglas | tralala: i'm starting a new session, and i'm 97% idle, .17 load |
| 13:48.15 | douglas | (still slow) |
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| 13:48.19 | lunitik | tralala: its ran by kdm also... |
| 13:48.37 | douglas | still haven't messed with the configuration, just thought i'd keep you updated :) |
| 13:48.49 | tralala | why would it need a display option then?! |
| 13:48.57 | rgsteele | macken: Check your logs, see what app threw the exception |
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| 13:49.09 | macken | k |
| 13:49.12 | douglas | tralala: well i wanted to test this without losing the session i had already got going |
| 13:49.25 | douglas | maybe that's not a scientific approach to this |
| 13:50.09 | liable | douglas: sounds like a bastard of a thing to diagnose when you have to wait so long |
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| 13:50.26 | tralala | douglas, that wasn't for you. So it takes again a long time to start and the system performance is crippled? |
| 13:50.45 | douglas | no, the load is very light |
| 13:50.55 | liable | !annoy bob2 |
| 13:50.56 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:51.22 | douglas | where did bob2 go |
| 13:51.25 | pelzi_ | liable: what about strace |
| 13:51.33 | liable | apparently he found a girl |
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| 13:52.01 | tralala | douglas, so if you run a fat bitch (say firefox) now it's running okay? |
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| 13:52.27 | liable | pelzi_: for douglas ? yeah sure, i have a hard time understanding its output though, he may be smarter |
| 13:52.47 | tralala | lunitik, just wait till you get on! |
| 13:52.53 | liable | hah |
| 13:52.58 | cydork | heheh |
| 13:52.59 | liable | !beer tralala |
| 13:53.13 | tralala | one |
| 13:53.26 | lunitik | tralala: get on? get one? umm... I had one last Friday :/ |
| 13:53.33 | tralala | bah, how is it possible for one to have such a sucky typing... |
| 13:54.27 | liable | i believe the crack makes you type badly |
| 13:54.29 | rgsteele | Oooh, Hefeweizen |
| 13:54.33 | rgsteele | That's one of my favorite beers |
| 13:54.53 | lunitik | white... beers? |
| 13:55.39 | tralala | liable, yeah you should know :P |
| 13:55.41 | stew | lunitik: its a style comprising of a mixture of wheat and barley and usually hints of orange peel and coriander |
| 13:55.51 | liable | wow |
| 13:56.10 | liable | are you serious? or am i a gullible wanker? |
| 13:56.14 | rgsteele | lunitik: http://www.germanbeerguide.co.uk/hefeweiz.html |
| 13:56.17 | douglas | tralala: firefox and everything else goes just fine once x's going |
| 13:56.37 | rgsteele | lunitik: "Wheat beers are also referred to as Weissbiers (white beers)" |
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| 13:57.22 | tralala | douglas, does it run fine when you have one X session running and the second one starting? |
| 13:57.37 | streuner_ | rgsteele: in the URL is one beer missing, which is one of the best :-) |
| 13:57.58 | lunitik | Even have tried Asian beers... something I don't recommend btw |
| 13:57.59 | streuner_ | rgsteele: "Eichbaum Hefeweizen Kristall" :-) |
| 13:58.04 | douglas | tralala: yes, switched back to the old one and everything's good |
| 13:58.26 | rgsteele | streuner_: Don't believe I've had the pleasure of sampling it |
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| 13:59.02 | tralala | douglas, I guess it's the driver's fault then |
| 13:59.24 | streuner_ | rgsteele: not sample, *taste* it :-) |
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| 13:59.55 | liable | prefererably in litre steins :) |
| 14:00.12 | douglas | tralala: but vncing in with a new session starting even with twm is slow as balls too, wouldn't that rule out video problems? |
| 14:00.13 | rgsteele | Heh. /me has a small beerstein collection from Europe |
| 14:00.18 | douglas | i'll try it anyway |
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| 14:01.12 | tralala | oh, right |
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| 14:01.38 | tralala | is your cpu being throttled down? |
| 14:01.55 | douglas | tralala: yeah i do have powersaved/powernow going, amd chip |
| 14:02.03 | douglas | also have kpowersave |
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| 14:02.11 | douglas | hmm.. |
| 14:02.39 | tralala | that could vry well be the reason |
| 14:02.50 | douglas | according to some superkaramba monitor, the frequency fluctuates rapidly even when the load's maxed out, it spans the whole range |
| 14:02.56 | douglas | all right i'll rm them |
| 14:03.00 | douglas | good thinking man |
| 14:03.03 | douglas | you good |
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| 14:04.07 | douglas | that reminds me, why does amd name chips the 2600 or whatever and they only go 1700mhz? that's misleading... something i'd expect from wintel |
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| 14:04.47 | SlayerXP | douglas: it's because most people equate clockspeed with processing power |
| 14:04.57 | Eulex | douglas, because for a really long time, intel's processors had lots of mhz but not much speed per mhz. |
| 14:04.57 | Havokmon | I feel dumb for asking - but what package do I need to install to build kernel modules? I'm on unstable, kernel 2.6.18 |
| 14:05.05 | douglas | ahh i see |
| 14:05.06 | leikh | anyone here running asterisk-app-fax on sarge? |
| 14:05.42 | SlayerXP | douglas: I occasionally get comment from people that they are surprised I "only" have a dual 1.6ghz opteron system |
| 14:05.43 | douglas | Havokmon: module-assistant i think |
| 14:05.52 | tralala | Havokmon, /msg dpkg m-a |
| 14:05.53 | SlayerXP | "but that means my p4 4ghz is faster!!!" |
| 14:06.03 | douglas | hah |
| 14:06.17 | douglas | the intel core duo: cool or whack? |
| 14:06.23 | SlayerXP | douglas: cool. |
| 14:06.30 | SlayerXP | very very nice bit of technology |
| 14:06.43 | Eulex | yes. intel has finally scrapped the p4. |
| 14:06.44 | douglas | intel seems to be pulling ahead of amd in general |
| 14:06.46 | Havokmon | cool thanks guys |
| 14:06.55 | tralala | core2 duo |
| 14:06.59 | douglas | i mean, relative to where they were a year ago |
| 14:06.59 | streuner_ | rgsteele: well, i just googled about --> http://www.biertest.de/Weizenbier/body_weizenbier.html |
| 14:07.14 | tralala | aka conroe |
| 14:07.43 | streuner_ | rgsteele: *They* are saying the same... |
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| 14:08.26 | tralala | core duo is merely p4x2 |
| 14:08.53 | Eulex | no, the p4's share very little with the core duos |
| 14:08.54 | Ronin | yummy weizenbier |
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| 14:09.11 | streuner_ | Ronin: only when its hot |
| 14:09.15 | Eulex | the core duos were based on the pentium m's, which in turn were based on the p3's. |
| 14:09.27 | streuner_ | Ronin: on cold days rather not |
| 14:09.28 | cydork | streuner_: hot beer?? |
| 14:09.37 | Ronin | streuner_: true, but as beggersccant be choosers so when ever i can get it too |
| 14:09.40 | Ronin | cydork: hot weather |
| 14:09.43 | tralala | or is that pmx2... |
| 14:09.45 | streuner_ | no, hot weather -> Weizen |
| 14:09.52 | tralala | ypep, my bad |
| 14:10.01 | cydork | hehe i was thinkin :P |
| 14:10.09 | liable | !typosmite tralala |
| 14:10.11 | tralala | pM is nice but cool is conroe |
| 14:11.40 | tralala | !botspank |
| 14:11.41 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
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| 14:11.53 | liable | !paulswmsmite tralala |
| 14:12.02 | M0ffe | So if one should assemble a new system now, core duo 2 would be preferable to amd64, unless you have special desires for amd64? |
| 14:12.05 | liable | sorry, thats enough of that |
| 14:12.11 | M0ffe | Is core duo 2 64bit? |
| 14:12.15 | liable | no |
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| 14:13.39 | tralala | according to anandtech cornoe gives 15-30% performace boost over p4/k8 |
| 14:13.54 | tralala | iirc |
| 14:14.15 | M0ffe | oh |
| 14:14.39 | liable | cornoe? is that the latest secret one? |
| 14:15.05 | M0ffe | So core duo 2 would be an i686 system, but usually faster than amd64? |
| 14:15.16 | rgsteele | Anybody recommend a good piece of really customizable blog software? I've take a look at wordpress, but wanted to see if there were any other, better options. |
| 14:15.22 | rgsteele | s/take/taken/ |
| 14:15.42 | tralala | why don't you both just check the details at anandtech |
| 14:15.46 | tralala | ? |
| 14:16.22 | tralala | some like ikiwiki |
| 14:16.33 | M0ffe | I just got carried away by the topic - I don't have the money to buy a core duo 2 for now anyway. |
| 14:16.38 | rgsteele | Well, I've already got MediaWiki for wiki-ish stuff |
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| 14:17.18 | tralala | they are using it for blogging |
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| 14:18.18 | kjdis | How can I start X on the local display but from a remote ssh? Is there something I can pass to startx to have it launch on the local console and return me to my shell? Local console is currently logged in as well |
| 14:18.39 | fasta | When I start Gnome via startx, everything I specified as per .xinitrc seems to get executed. When I login via kdm this doesn't happen (I think). I enabled compiz in the .xinitc, but I would like to have it working without using "startx". |
| 14:19.18 | pelzi_ | use .xsession |
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| 14:20.54 | fasta | pelzi_: my .xsession also contains code to start gnome. So this is a little bit inconsistent. |
| 14:21.38 | pelzi_ | well, *dm use .xsession, startx (xinit) uses xinitrc. |
| 14:21.49 | fasta | pelzi_: Either I should remove that line from .xsession or I should select "system session" or similar (not "Gnome" from the menu) |
| 14:22.08 | liable | fasta: for gnome you can make a file that replaces metacity and put it in the startup thing |
| 14:22.09 | stew | pelzi_: *dm uses .xsesion and startx uses .xinitrc if it exists or otherwise will use .xsession, so if you want the same behaviour from both, just delete .xinitrc |
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| 14:22.21 | SomiNA | !paste |
| 14:22.22 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 14:22.24 | M0ffe | I just symlink .xsession to .xinitrc |
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| 14:23.28 | fasta | But should .xsession need a "call" to e.g. gnome-session or startkde or not? I'd guess not |
| 14:23.34 | SomiNA | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4216 -> http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=www.015inter.net |
| 14:23.36 | SomiNA | some help? |
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| 14:23.56 | pelzi_ | it doesn't if you select "gnome" in your *dm |
| 14:24.23 | pelzi_ | if you use xdm or select the mode that uses .xsession in *dm the situation is of course different |
| 14:24.36 | dragonfly | hey all, i'm using a Dell Optiplex GX620, it has the internal speaker option (which works under windows), however running alsaconf does not detect any sound cards....ideas? |
| 14:25.04 | pelzi_ | lspci |
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| 14:27.09 | dragonfly | i'm posting my lspci to pastebin right now |
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| 14:28.21 | fasta | The top frame bar is not being shown when I start it via kdm. How can this happen? When I start it via startx everything is fine. |
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| 14:29.57 | kb3ien | is there a repository of kernels for the VIA c7 CPU's the stock i386 kernel is VERY VERY slow on the c7. |
| 14:30.30 | liable | fasta: check the bts for compizzle, there one or two bugs that metion maybe what your talking about |
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| 14:31.15 | dragonfly | what's another pastebin site, pastebin.com doesn't seem to be working |
| 14:31.22 | Borgon | pastebin.ca? |
| 14:31.30 | liable | !patebot |
| 14:31.36 | liable | bleh |
| 14:31.38 | epsilon | ./topic? |
| 14:31.40 | liable | !pastebot |
| 14:31.40 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:31.41 | Borgon | pastebin.ca |
| 14:32.05 | fasta | liable: hmm, I thought it was somewhat more "stable" already, but apparently it isn't. The effects are pretty cool, although maybe somewhat annoying ;) |
| 14:32.38 | dragonfly | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4217 |
| 14:32.45 | dragonfly | there we go |
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| 14:32.55 | liable | fasta: compiz has been stable as anything with xgl on one box of mine, but refuses to work on my other with aiglx and the debian compiz |
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| 14:33.31 | fasta | liable: How do I know whether I enabled aiglx? |
| 14:33.50 | fasta | liable: I have "wobbly" windows, IIRC already |
| 14:34.03 | liable | fasta: then its enabled |
| 14:34.25 | liable | fasta: the x log mentions aiglx |
| 14:35.13 | fasta | liable: found it in the log |
| 14:35.14 | liable | fasta: check the docs in /usr/share/doc and make sure you have done anything it mentions for compiz |
| 14:36.03 | dragonfly | pelzi_, did u see it? |
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| 14:37.08 | dhuv | hello all |
| 14:37.33 | liable | hola |
| 14:37.35 | pelzi_ | I was in the toilet |
| 14:37.42 | fasta | !u |
| 14:37.43 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:37.47 | pelzi_ | toilet-lappy has a bad browser |
| 14:37.49 | cr3 | pelzi_: "in" the toilet? |
| 14:37.57 | dragonfly | ok, well i pasted my lspci to the pastebin |
| 14:38.07 | dragonfly | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4217 |
| 14:38.08 | dhuv | this is kinda stupid but I have a file with the name of "-2006" that I am not able to delete because I cannot for the life of me escape the "-" so mv or rm does not work |
| 14:38.09 | pelzi_ | well, I do sit partially in it |
| 14:38.26 | liable | dhuv: rm --2006 |
| 14:38.31 | dhuv | I can remove it with konqueror on my laptop but this happens to be on the server |
| 14:38.37 | pelzi_ | put the whole name in '' |
| 14:38.38 | dhuv | liable: let me try that |
| 14:38.40 | dragonfly | sorry fasta...didn't mean to upset U :P |
| 14:38.41 | pelzi_ | or try -- -foo |
| 14:38.41 | cr3 | pelzi_: I'm glad to hear you're not one of those hovering folks scared of touching the rim |
| 14:38.45 | dhuv | pelzi_: I tried that |
| 14:39.00 | dragonfly | ok, i'll stop now with that fasta...i apologize if i do it on accident |
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| 14:39.16 | pelzi_ | hmm. |
| 14:39.19 | wdamn | Hi, I've just installed debian etch on a macbook - I've got a problem with fonts, like this temperature output: 32°C |
| 14:39.22 | pelzi_ | dragonfly: try update-pciids |
| 14:39.25 | dhuv | liable : rm: unrecognised option `--2006' |
| 14:39.28 | wdamn | what do I miss? |
| 14:39.49 | stew | dhuv: rm -- --2006 |
| 14:39.59 | rgsteele | dhuv: Is there a reason that rm \-200g doesn't work? |
| 14:40.00 | jelly | dhuv: rm ./-2006 |
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| 14:40.10 | pelzi_ | rm sees it as an option |
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| 14:40.15 | jelly | dhuv: or rm -- your-file-name |
| 14:40.25 | Braindead | rm ./--foo |
| 14:40.35 | rgsteele | Not if you escape the hyphen with a backslash though, no? |
| 14:40.38 | kb3ien | is there a means to list installed packages on a debian system? |
| 14:40.39 | pelzi_ | no |
| 14:40.39 | jelly | <dhuv> this is kinda stupid but I have a file with the name of "-2006" |
| 14:40.42 | liable | lots of -- flying around :) |
| 14:40.48 | cr3 | is there a way to determine the maximum number of file descriptors allowed by a process? |
| 14:40.54 | Braindead | kb3ien: dpkg -l|grep ^ii |
| 14:41.05 | pelzi_ | the backslash is for shell metacharacters, - is not one. |
| 14:41.09 | rgsteele | pelzi_: Ah |
| 14:41.12 | kb3ien | thx. |
| 14:41.14 | dhuv | good rm -- -2006 worked |
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| 14:41.25 | dhuv | what does the -- do? |
| 14:41.30 | dragonfly | ok, it shows right in lspci now, but alsaconf still says No supported PnP or PCI card found |
| 14:41.44 | pelzi_ | -- stops the parsing of command line args |
| 14:41.45 | stew | dhuv: tells the command to stop looking for more options, just tread any more -'s literally |
| 14:42.00 | dhuv | cool thanks |
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| 14:42.22 | rgsteele | pelzi_: Cool, good to know |
| 14:42.33 | dragonfly | 0000:00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 14:42.52 | possie | anyone using debmirror in here, incombination with a proxy server? i've got troubles getting a connection, it still triesto access the intenret directly instead of going through my squid proxy |
| 14:43.11 | liable | dragonfly: what kernel have you got? |
| 14:43.21 | fasta | liable: yeah, the issue described in the bug reports seems the same |
| 14:43.33 | dragonfly | 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 14:43.42 | rgsteele | dragonfly: ew |
| 14:43.46 | liable | fasta: did you try what people mentioned? |
| 14:44.03 | liable | dragonfly: i dont thing ich7 is supported in 2.6.8 |
| 14:44.05 | pickcoder | cr3: the limit is system wide for open file handles |
| 14:44.08 | rgsteele | dragonfly: Upgrade that ...the earlier 2.6 kernels weren't the most stable beasts in the world anyways |
| 14:44.13 | pickcoder | cr3: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 14:44.28 | rgsteele | I think they're up to 2.6.18 now? |
| 14:44.38 | fasta | liable: It seemed a lot of "this works for me" with a reply by other people "that doesn't help for me". |
| 14:44.54 | liable | fasta: yeah, true |
| 14:44.56 | pickcoder | cr3: don't go throwing huge numbers in there unless you really know what you're doing |
| 14:45.02 | dragonfly | is there an easy way to use apt-get to update kernel? |
| 14:45.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:45.09 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:45.11 | tarzeau | dragonfly: yes |
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| 14:45.24 | liable | dragonfly: thats as new as you can get with sarge |
| 14:45.28 | cydork | !tell dragonfly about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 14:45.28 | cr3 | pickcoder: there is a system wide limit, but there is also a per process limit which can be changed with ulimit |
| 14:45.30 | pickcoder | tarzeau: man.. everytime you pop that up I start craving popcorn |
| 14:45.31 | tarzeau | dragonfly: the latest? use kernel-package otherwise just install the newer one |
| 14:45.42 | Braindead | !tell dragonfly about backports |
| 14:45.53 | tarzeau | pickcoder: but do you have popularity-contest installed? |
| 14:46.05 | cr3 | pickcoder: I'm trying to determine whether ulimit has actually taken effect for a running process |
| 14:46.32 | pickcoder | tarzeau: yes I do.. on all my machines |
| 14:46.50 | pickcoder | cr3: isn't ulimit obsolete for glibc? |
| 14:46.52 | cr3 | pickcoder: specifically, I'm running openldap which is running out of file descriptors so I added ulimit -n 4096 in the init.d script. however, it is still failing around 1024 file descriptors :( |
| 14:47.02 | pickcoder | oh |
| 14:47.06 | cr3 | pickcoder: ulimit is a bash command |
| 14:47.08 | pickcoder | n/m |
| 14:47.11 | pickcoder | :P |
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| 14:47.26 | dragonfly | and i need to update kernel before i can get this sound card to work? |
| 14:47.41 | kb3ien | anyone have experience with the VIA c7 CPU, my bootloader takes about 10 minutes... |
| 14:47.41 | Braindead | dragonfly: yes. |
| 14:48.27 | dragonfly | ok, thank you all :D |
| 14:48.31 | liable | dragonfly: upgrade to etch, its almost ready for release, better than futzing with backports (though you may find a few bugs, but as long as you are willing to put a little effort in if you find one, or are willing to wait for it to be fixed, you should be pretty right) |
| 14:48.37 | pickcoder | cr3: ulimit -a doesn't tell you? |
| 14:48.45 | M0ffe | Where is iceweasel lingering? Real Soon Now(TM) or is something holding it up? |
| 14:48.54 | pickcoder | cr3: open files (-n) 1024 |
| 14:49.07 | dragonfly | apt-get dist upgrade? |
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| 14:49.42 | liable | dragonfly: you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and replace sarge/stable with etch |
| 14:49.53 | abrotman | !sarge->etch |
| 14:49.53 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
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| 14:49.57 | liable | dragonfly: also have a read of the debian reference |
| 14:50.06 | liable | !tell dragonfly about reference |
| 14:50.14 | abrotman | grounding! |
| 14:50.19 | dragonfly | thanks all |
| 14:50.29 | liable | !tell abrotman about grounding |
| 14:50.35 | abrotman | !tell liable about sheep |
| 14:50.37 | SomiNA | can somone look at -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/4216 |
| 14:50.56 | pickcoder | that's a nice link... |
| 14:50.58 | M0ffe | !tell M0ffe about iceweasel |
| 14:51.06 | abrotman | !tell M0ffe about selftell |
| 14:51.07 | liable | abrotman: http://news.imagethief.com/photos/xinjiang/picture6565.aspx |
| 14:51.24 | abrotman | liable: that is uhm ... gross |
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| 14:51.40 | liable | abrotman: guerin found it erotic |
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| 14:51.55 | wintix | is it possible to cross-compile a 64bit-kernel in a 32bit environment? |
| 14:51.58 | pickcoder | heh |
| 14:51.59 | liable | hah, no, thats not quite true |
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| 14:52.14 | liable | he *probably* found it erotic :) |
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| 14:52.33 | wintix | ARCH=x86_64 make menuconfig works quite well, but i have trouble compiling the kernel |
| 14:52.39 | pickcoder | wintix: think about that for a second |
| 14:52.49 | wintix | hmm. |
| 14:53.13 | wintix | it was worth a try. |
| 14:53.13 | pickcoder | wintix: what libraries do you have to work with |
| 14:53.14 | M0ffe | abrotman: Sorry, I'm not too familiar with the bot yet. |
| 14:53.16 | stew | wintix: yes, its possible, you'll have to create a cross compiler though, which isnt' easy nor well supported |
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| 14:53.56 | peoro | hi |
| 14:54.31 | wintix | i have kind of a weird situation here. i want to get debian amd64 running on my server but the boot-cd only has a 2.6.8-kernel on it which doesn't support my environment. i tried to debootstrap the thing but my kernel doesn't support 64bit program code. |
| 14:54.41 | abrotman | liable: he's an aussie like you! |
| 14:54.50 | liable | !slap abrotman |
| 14:55.00 | liable | abrotman: hes a KIWI |
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| 14:55.10 | wintix | i was kind of hoping to compile a 64bit kernel, reboot the system, chroot to ne new base system and set it all up. |
| 14:55.28 | liable | abrotman: dude, you need to go back to geography class :P |
| 14:55.29 | cr3 | pickcoder: I would like to know the maximum number of open file descriptors for another process, not my own :) |
| 14:55.39 | douglas | in etc/modules i see sbp2.. what's that? |
| 14:55.49 | douglas | nevermind dpkg just told me |
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| 14:56.44 | pickcoder | cr3: so have it run ulimit -a and write out the results to a log file |
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| 14:57.36 | liable | abrotman: work is busy eh? you been conspicuously quiet of late |
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| 14:57.55 | fjsanchez | Hi everybody |
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| 14:58.05 | wintix | i think i just compile the 64bit kernel on another machine and install it. hopefully it will work. |
| 14:58.05 | liable | hi DR fjsanchez |
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| 14:58.23 | fjsanchez | How can I get the fingerprint of my RSA host key? |
| 14:58.32 | pelzi_ | ssh? |
| 14:58.34 | douglas | which package is netatalk |
| 14:58.37 | fjsanchez | Yes |
| 14:58.47 | pelzi_ | well. I don't know :P |
| 14:58.50 | FJ_sanchez | LoL |
| 14:59.09 | abrotman | liable: yeah .. sadly .. |
| 14:59.10 | FJ_sanchez | I can do this: cat /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub |
| 14:59.15 | FJ_sanchez | Then I get the pub key |
| 14:59.18 | peoro | when i try to run vncserver on my debian i get these errors: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/gMPu2582.html |
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| 14:59.26 | FJ_sanchez | But I want the fingerprint of this key |
| 14:59.34 | abrotman | liable: i'm starting to crawl out from the pile |
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| 14:59.47 | peoro | why? i've tried to set xconfig path in /etc/vnc.conf, but nothing... |
| 14:59.49 | liable | abrotman: bout time you did something instead of irc all day! :) |
| 14:59.53 | scanf | can I lock the panel under kde 3.4? |
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| 15:00.15 | pickcoder | work..gah |
| 15:01.07 | liable | unfortunate fact of most peoples life i guess |
| 15:01.20 | pickcoder | I wonder if debian could be packed small enough to run on a Symbol PDT |
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| 15:01.24 | liable | !dpl\ |
| 15:01.26 | liable | !dpl |
| 15:01.27 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Anthony Towns (aj). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 15:01.33 | liable | pfffft |
| 15:02.47 | liable | i should sleep, but seeing as i dont have to work, i shall have another beer |
| 15:03.12 | Ronin | liable: normally a good idea i always say |
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| 15:03.44 | liable | Ronin: cheers! |
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| 15:03.52 | pickcoder-mtg | ah.. the joys of meetings which had no resolution |
| 15:03.57 | buffer | Hi all.. is possible to install a debian linux on palm lifedrive? |
| 15:03.59 | pickcoder-mtg | have/had/will have |
| 15:04.06 | mbn_18 | is there php5 packages for sarge distribution ? |
| 15:04.31 | Knorrie | mbn_18: backports.org |
| 15:04.34 | pickcoder-mtg | mbn_18: if not in the package list, check in backports |
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| 15:04.49 | mbn_18 | brrrr, i prefer testing |
| 15:05.05 | liable | so use testing... |
| 15:05.13 | mbn_18 | will do |
| 15:05.18 | liable | who's making you use stable? |
| 15:05.20 | buffer | I need to install debian with apache + php and mysql in palm lifedrive.. it is possible? |
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| 15:05.31 | mbn_18 | liable, the boogy man |
| 15:06.03 | liable | mbn_18: ah, just dont close your eyes and he wont get you |
| 15:06.11 | mbn_18 | :) |
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| 15:08.32 | kb3ien | odd, the 2.4 kernels run fine on the C7, they just BOOT soo slowly. |
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| 15:09.21 | buffer | Hi all.. is it possible to install debian on palm lifedrive? |
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| 15:10.04 | liable | wtf is it? and it depends if you can boot from it i guess.. |
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| 15:11.09 | kb3ien | do linux 2.6 kernels run 2.4 userland? |
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| 15:11.32 | rgsteele | stable isn't bad, just get familiar with backports.org and dotdeb.org |
| 15:12.05 | stew | kb3ien: 2.4 userland? there isn't a different userland for different linux kernels |
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| 15:17.51 | h3sp4wn | kb3ien: are you meaning the kernel headers ? (i.e the ones in /usr/include) |
| 15:17.57 | VIm_Enforcer | oy |
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| 15:18.24 | abrotman | liable: see .. when your users do things like set TB to only show last five days .. then whine about missing mail .. this stuff happens :) |
| 15:18.34 | VIm_Enforcer | /me has installed debian yesterday :) |
| 15:18.56 | abrotman | !prize VIm_Enforcer |
| 15:20.20 | VIm_Enforcer | apt-get install qt-gold-medal |
| 15:20.39 | liable | abrotman: add a few mails from them that mention al queda and the'll soon dissapear :) |
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| 15:20.47 | liable | they'll.. |
| 15:21.07 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
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| 15:21.43 | VIm_Enforcer | well, i've used debian only for a day but i must say that .deb pwns .rpm |
| 15:22.02 | Feax | what is the command for view my ram ? |
| 15:22.03 | liable | VIm_Enforcer: eh, i swear i have seen you here before.. |
| 15:22.09 | liable | Feax: free |
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| 15:22.15 | VIm_Enforcer | Feax, free |
| 15:22.18 | abrotman | liable: i think the same thing |
| 15:22.20 | VIm_Enforcer | liable, hmmm :) |
| 15:22.49 | VIm_Enforcer | i was here...quite a while ago... |
| 15:22.49 | liable | VIm_Enforcer: maybe with less random capitals though |
| 15:22.53 | VIm_Enforcer | liable, ? :) |
| 15:23.11 | VIm_Enforcer | in irc :) |
| 15:23.25 | liable | in your nick |
| 15:23.26 | amphi | except in your nick... |
| 15:23.30 | VIm_Enforcer | oh |
| 15:23.33 | VIm_Enforcer | hmmm |
| 15:23.37 | amphi | liable: heh |
| 15:23.41 | VIm_Enforcer | lol |
| 15:23.45 | VIm_Enforcer | well |
| 15:23.53 | VIm_Enforcer | the capitals are not random... :) |
| 15:23.57 | VIm_Enforcer | vim.org ;) |
| 15:24.01 | VIm_Enforcer | j/k |
| 15:24.21 | VIm_Enforcer | well anyways i was here a while ago, asking about why did debian dvd not boot |
| 15:24.33 | VIm_Enforcer | it turned out to be non-bootlabel |
| 15:24.38 | VIm_Enforcer | i was blaming my drive :) |
| 15:24.52 | VIm_Enforcer | well so i dl'd the floppies and installed. |
| 15:25.01 | VIm_Enforcer | and here i am. |
| 15:25.03 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 15:25.09 | Element14 | floppies! |
| 15:25.13 | liable | oh, there was no lable on the boot disk? |
| 15:25.28 | VIm_Enforcer | liable, it was not a boot dvd |
| 15:25.47 | VIm_Enforcer | there were just .deb's |
| 15:25.47 | Element14 | did the boot CD's not work? |
| 15:25.47 | liable | VIm_Enforcer: nm, making a bad grammar joke :) |
| 15:25.50 | VIm_Enforcer | (imo) |
| 15:25.57 | VIm_Enforcer | liable, :DDDDD |
| 15:26.03 | VIm_Enforcer | </sarcasm> |
| 15:26.05 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 15:26.17 | VIm_Enforcer | Element14, there were 2 dvds... |
| 15:26.21 | amphi | !tell VIm_Enforcer about enter |
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| 15:26.22 | VIm_Enforcer | none of which boot |
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| 15:26.43 | cbr | any ETA on Firefox/Iceweasel 2.0 in Debian? |
| 15:26.43 | VIm_Enforcer | amphi, long sentences are hard to read :P |
| 15:27.02 | Element14 | tried these? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 15:27.15 | amphi | VIm_Enforcer: short sentences disrupt the harmonious appearance of my display |
| 15:27.35 | VIm_Enforcer | :O |
| 15:27.43 | honschu | How to install all "sugessted" packages too when I install with "apt-get install qt4-designer"? |
| 15:27.52 | liable | hah |
| 15:27.56 | liable | !win amphi |
| 15:27.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, amphi! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 15:28.01 | liable | ohnos |
| 15:28.12 | VIm_Enforcer | Element14, did i mention that i have no burner? :) |
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| 15:28.30 | VIm_Enforcer | liable, it's amphi's VERSION that scares me... |
| 15:28.33 | VIm_Enforcer | :O |
| 15:28.43 | amphi | liable: thanks for nothing ;) |
| 15:28.47 | Element14 | VIm_Enforcer: ah... |
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| 15:29.04 | amphi | VIm_Enforcer: heh |
| 15:29.23 | Element14 | these days people are more likely to have burners than floppies without bad sectors.... |
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| 15:29.38 | Pogovina | ~seen spldart |
| 15:29.43 | apt | spldart <n=spldart@cpe-70-116-149-121.houston.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel ##essy, 2d 13h 20m 59s ago, saying: 'mmMMmm pizzza'. |
| 15:29.43 | VIm_Enforcer | more likely != yes |
| 15:29.44 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
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| 15:30.05 | liable | hrm, pizza would be good right now |
| 15:30.24 | VIm_Enforcer | Element14, yeah, i had issues about bad sectors |
| 15:30.34 | VIm_Enforcer | s/about/with/ |
| 15:30.39 | cydork | liable: please dont say with pineapple :P |
| 15:30.43 | liable | cheese will do |
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| 15:31.28 | VIm_Enforcer | hmm |
| 15:31.30 | liable | cydork: when i buy, i go the chilli one, but when i make it, pinapple is a must! |
| 15:31.43 | VIm_Enforcer | i just noticed that gnome doesn't recognize the mouse wheel |
| 15:31.46 | VIm_Enforcer | :| |
| 15:32.46 | liable | seems a lack of bitchx users lately.. |
| 15:32.51 | cydork | liable: as soon as you put pineapple on that it's not pizza anymore.. I know. It's is from here. :P |
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| 15:34.01 | liable | meh, i like pineapple on pizza.. so sue me :P |
| 15:34.29 | liable | but be warned, i dont have anything worth suing for :P\ |
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| 15:35.00 | cydork | liable: heh |
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| 15:35.16 | Feax | how can I view the model of my ram ? |
| 15:35.50 | stew | Feax: its not likely that you can. but if anything would possibly tell you, it would be dmidecode |
| 15:36.11 | cydork | Feax: try lshw too |
| 15:36.23 | VIm_Enforcer | Feax, open-your-case |
| 15:36.29 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 15:36.41 | cydork | Feax: or that ^^ |
| 15:37.05 | Feax | yes but I just bought Corsair PC2-6400 and in my bios that say PC2-5300 :/ |
| 15:37.11 | VIm_Enforcer | hmm |
| 15:37.27 | VIm_Enforcer | brb reboot |
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| 15:37.32 | VIm_Enforcer | brb |
| 15:37.49 | frederick85 | What command can I use to check my CPU load |
| 15:37.56 | h3sp4wn | frederick85: uptime |
| 15:38.08 | cydork | frederick85: cat /proc/loadavg |
| 15:38.17 | h3sp4wn | frederick85: or top |
| 15:38.44 | Element14 | or w |
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| 15:39.23 | Feax | My load average is 0.30 :> |
| 15:39.53 | frederick85 | my load average is 3.1 |
| 15:40.03 | Feax | ô// |
| 15:40.51 | frederick85 | i'm using Beryl and the borders on my windows in gnome keep flashing |
| 15:40.58 | fendy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.00 | frederick85 | It was working fine before but I restarted it |
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| 15:41.49 | h3sp4wn | frederick85: if you use CFQ io scheduler and PREEMPT (low latency desktop) it can get to about 50 before the system becomes unresponsive (compiling loads of stuff at once and its fine) |
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| 15:41.58 | zumbi | !hi |
| 15:41.58 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
| 15:42.05 | Feax | fendy: how do you konw the numbers of users ? |
| 15:42.18 | Feax | hmm fendy I had not speak ^^ |
| 15:42.31 | zumbi | do you know if Debian can be installed on new Macbook? (Ubuntu does) |
| 15:42.38 | fendy | I just typed uptime |
| 15:42.57 | Feax | yes yes I saw |
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| 15:43.36 | liable | frederick85: beryl isnt in debian.. |
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| 15:43.46 | unseensoul | i'm gettin' several "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)" from dmesg. how can i solve this? |
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| 15:44.09 | h3sp4wn | zumbi: no reason why not (definately be ok with cdebootstrap install from kanotix) and using elilo |
| 15:44.12 | liable | unseensoul: noapic boot option? |
| 15:44.49 | unseensoul | like this /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro -noapic ? |
| 15:44.52 | amphi | VIm_Enforcer: what version, BTW? stable? |
| 15:44.52 | unseensoul | it doesn't work |
| 15:45.03 | liable | unseensoul: without the - |
| 15:45.05 | VIm_Enforcer | amphi, ? |
| 15:45.08 | VIm_Enforcer | debian? |
| 15:45.34 | amphi | VIm_Enforcer: er, yeah |
| 15:45.41 | VIm_Enforcer | 3.1 r1 |
| 15:45.44 | unseensoul | liable, can you tell me what is this? |
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| 15:46.03 | zumbi | h3sp4wn: but maybe some drivers are not working (maybe audio dsp?) |
| 15:46.48 | amphi | VIm_Enforcer: uhuh - same here, albeit with a coupla backports |
| 15:46.51 | h3sp4wn | zumbi: try it - if it works on any form of linux I can't see how it would be too difficult to get it to work in debian (if it is for you just use ubuntu or kanotix) |
| 15:48.25 | frederick85 | Is there a way I can create a swap space on empty part of my drive? |
| 15:48.34 | stew | frederick85: yes, man mkswap |
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| 15:48.48 | liable | i type a big long stupid response, and he leaves.. :( |
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| 15:50.36 | VIm_Enforcer | amphi, :) |
| 15:50.38 | GillaGal | My logrotate is acting up. It always seems to be writing to syslog.0, and not syslog. Same goes for a few others, it always just write to name.# Any suggestions? |
| 15:51.03 | frederick85 | How many Blocks is 450 megabytes |
| 15:51.24 | stew | GillaGal: that's what logotate is supposed to do, its supposed to move syslog to syslog.0 (among other things) |
| 15:51.57 | pyco | Moin |
| 15:52.01 | GillaGal | I know... but it''s not. |
| 15:52.08 | zumbi | h3sp4wn: i'm planning on buying a laptop and i dunno which one fullfills better my needs. Macbook, IBM Thinkpad or Small screen DELLs |
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| 15:52.12 | stew | GillaGal: its not what? |
| 15:52.17 | GillaGal | My logrotate.conf seems fine. |
| 15:52.19 | pelzi_ | Thinkpad <3 |
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| 15:52.33 | pelzi_ | nipple mouse <3 |
| 15:52.38 | GillaGal | It's not rotating... keeps writing to name.# |
| 15:52.46 | liable | ya the clit rocks |
| 15:52.49 | h3sp4wn | zumbi: panasonic toughbook - only laptop that can survice decent punishment I have yet found |
| 15:52.59 | liable | but my latest purchase has left me jaded |
| 15:53.09 | stew | GillaGal: that's what it does when it rotates. what do you think it should be doing instead? |
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| 15:53.13 | pelzi_ | thinkpads with active hd protection can take a lot |
| 15:54.24 | GillaGal | current writing to syslog, and rotated older stuff to syslog.0 |
| 15:54.33 | GillaGal | syslog is emply... syslog.0 is HUGE |
| 15:54.54 | stew | GillaGal: that means the logrotate is working and syslog isn't |
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| 15:55.17 | stew | GillaGal: is syslogd running?: |
| 15:55.23 | zumbi | h3sp4wn: long-lasting 10 hour battery - wow! looks very nice |
| 15:55.44 | frederick85 | How can I work out how many Blocks to give as an Argument to mkswap if I want say 450 mb |
| 15:55.48 | Braindead | me power u lung tim |
| 15:56.12 | GillaGal | I think I found the issue! In my cron.daily it has: test -x /usr/sbin/logrotate || exit 0 |
| 15:56.12 | liable | haha |
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| 15:56.15 | GillaGal | No idea what that does.... but I didn't put it there |
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| 15:56.44 | stew | GillaGal: that means exit if /usr/sbin/logrotate is either missing or not executable, that isn't the problem |
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| 15:56.59 | stew | GillaGal: is syslog running? |
| 15:57.00 | pelzi_ | I have a tp X22 |
| 15:57.13 | pelzi_ | still happy with it |
| 15:57.13 | petemc | frederick85: if you want to use a file for swap, you create the file first with dd |
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| 15:57.28 | stew | frederick85: divide 450MB by 1024 bytes |
| 15:57.53 | Roey | hi |
| 15:57.54 | Roey | (I'm trying to send a user in the LAN the access.log from an apache server on the DMZ) |
| 15:58.05 | Roey | regarding mailx, how can I specify a from: through some sort of flag? |
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| 15:58.26 | GillaGal | stew does your logrotate cron have that test line? (sarge install) |
| 15:58.39 | stew | GillaGal: yes |
| 15:58.43 | GillaGal | crap |
| 15:58.53 | GillaGal | I don't know what it could be then |
| 15:59.17 | stew | GillaGal: i'm guessing that syslog wasn't restarted, but you don't seem to want to check or something |
| 16:00.37 | GillaGal | check if it's running? A ps say's logrotate defunt |
| 16:00.42 | GillaGal | defunct |
| 16:01.27 | stew | GillaGal: i don't see what logrotate has to do with it |
| 16:02.21 | frederick85 | Is there a command I can use to get the ammount of free space in a device |
| 16:02.22 | GillaGal | oh sorry... you wanted to know if syslog was running... yes I see it. /sbin/syslog |
| 16:02.22 | stew | GillaGal: logrotate doesn't write stuff to /var/log/syslog, syslog does. if nothing is writting to /var/log/syslog then i'd suspect that syslog needs to be restarted |
| 16:02.26 | frederick85 | unpartitioned space |
| 16:02.27 | stew | frederick85: df |
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| 16:02.32 | stew | frederick85: fdisk -l |
| 16:03.10 | GillaGal | stew but it IS writing... just to the wrong log file. it writes to syslog.0 instead of syslog and never gets rotated. |
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| 16:03.58 | frederick85 | stew: which DISK can i work out to have the empty space I tried /dev/hda2 it said no such device |
| 16:05.30 | pelzi_ | disk -l. |
| 16:05.37 | pelzi_ | fdisk... >_> |
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| 16:08.37 | leafw | is there any way to list all installed packages plus the size they take in disk? I need to clear up lots of space ... |
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| 16:09.07 | stew | 11:59 < stew> GillaGal: i'm guessing that syslog wasn't restarted |
| 16:09.17 | stew | GillaGal: have you tried restarting it? |
| 16:09.41 | cydork | leafw: man dpkg-query |
| 16:09.51 | leafw | cydork: thanks |
| 16:10.06 | VIm_Enforcer | seriously, debian is teh rock. |
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| 16:11.30 | stew | GillaGal: the fact that it is writing to syslog.0 and not to syslog is clear evidence that the log is being rotated |
| 16:11.56 | leafw | cydork : no size listed though |
| 16:12.11 | leafw | cydork : and making magic with bash scripts is beyond me |
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| 16:14.34 | cydork | leafw: check the format options in the man page. |
| 16:14.43 | leafw | I just saw it, thanks |
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| 16:14.55 | Nebukadneza | heyya |
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| 16:14.58 | medc | hello |
| 16:15.21 | medc | i got eth0 and wlan0(not configure but recognize) and i want to be a router |
| 16:15.24 | medc | any help |
| 16:15.27 | Nebukadneza | if i have a interface which is configured via dhcp with /etc/network/interfaces ... is there a way i can specify a default (as in route add default eth0)? |
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| 16:16.25 | medc | i got eth0 and wlan0(not configure but recognize) and i want to be a router which program can i use???? |
| 16:16.39 | liable | Nebukadneza: why wouldnt you want the route the dhcp daemon gives you? |
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| 16:16.54 | Yumi_mato | Hi, i'm trying to boot a sarge installation made with deboostrap in partition sda2. I've edited menu.lst from sda1 and everytime i try to start sarge in sda2 it boots with kernel in sda2 but makes sda2 the root partition, any ideas? |
| 16:16.54 | Braindead | medc: you can't act as an Access Point unless you have a card supported by hostap. |
| 16:16.54 | herbi | does anyone know what the amount of bandwidth difference between HTTPS and HTTP is? |
| 16:16.56 | GillaGal | stew by why would syslog be empty currently... is that not where current activity be? |
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| 16:17.02 | herbi | even just some rough numbers would help a lot |
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| 16:17.21 | medc | Braindead, how do i know that? |
| 16:17.31 | Braindead | medc: by looking at the list of supported cards? |
| 16:17.38 | liable | medc: take a look at ipmasq, or if you want to get more complicated, a package like shorewall, or learn iptables |
| 16:18.01 | medc | Braindead, which is the page? |
| 16:18.03 | herbi | anyone? |
| 16:18.09 | Braindead | medc: ask google. |
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| 16:18.39 | pelzi_ | I'd recommend learning *BSD, iptables is :( |
| 16:18.54 | liable | Yumi_mato: put your menu.list on a psatebot |
| 16:18.57 | Element14 | pelzi_: what's bad about iptables? |
| 16:19.01 | pelzi_ | and https needs more at startup, the difference is negligible |
| 16:19.02 | pelzi_ | the syntax |
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| 16:19.04 | Braindead | medc: if you want to route some wireless device you can still put up an ad-hoc connection. anyway "I've got eth0 and wlan0 and I want to be a router" is kinda vague |
| 16:19.33 | pelzi_ | the fact iptables has no config file and language just sucks. |
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| 16:20.04 | Braindead | pelzi_: the fact you're suggesting BSD to an absolute newbie on a debian channel kinda sucks too |
| 16:20.08 | medc | Braindead, because i got a server station with eth0 and i want to bridge to a wifi lan |
| 16:20.08 | pelzi_ | and rolling a ramdisk-based *BSD was easier than a ramdisk-based linux so the choice was obvious |
| 16:20.19 | pelzi_ | Braindead: blame small terminal |
| 16:20.30 | Braindead | I can blame Canada |
| 16:20.33 | pelzi_ | bridging does not use iptables |
| 16:20.57 | liable | i dont think he wants a bridge |
| 16:21.06 | Braindead | I think he wanna act as an AP |
| 16:21.26 | VIm_Enforcer | Braindead, reminds me of a certain movie... |
| 16:21.27 | VIm_Enforcer | ;) |
| 16:21.41 | amphi | pelzi_: what wifi card? |
| 16:21.50 | cydork | medc: check http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/nethub/article.php/3467111 |
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| 16:22.39 | fasta | liable: The reason there was no border was easy: metacity didn't get started. |
| 16:23.04 | liable | fasta: oh, so what exact command was it? |
| 16:23.28 | liable | fasta: why wouldnt metacity get started in gnome? |
| 16:23.32 | fasta | liable: using ALT-TAB is quite nice using these extensions. Do you know whether there are other key combinations I can press such that I can get that "expose" thing, I heard about? |
| 16:24.02 | fasta | liable: well, the command was just "metacity &" |
| 16:24.19 | liable | fasta: describe what expose does |
| 16:24.23 | fasta | liable: I have no idea why, but that was the problem for me. |
| 16:24.31 | Yumi_mato | liable, http://rafb.net/paste/results/KzeaJD41.html |
| 16:24.33 | RichiH | any idea how to either make the tcp fallback more agressive or how to tunnel ssh over udp? |
| 16:24.47 | RichiH | and yes, i want more than my share of bandwidth |
| 16:24.47 | Yumi_mato | Hi, i'm trying to boot a sarge installation made with deboostrap in partition sda2. I've edited menu.lst from sda1 and everytime i try to start sarge in sda2 it boots with kernel in sda2 but makes sda2 the root partition, any ideas?. My menu.lst is in http://rafb.net/paste/results/KzeaJD41.html |
| 16:24.56 | RichiH | ssh is unbearably slow |
| 16:25.27 | RichiH | only upstream, though |
| 16:25.29 | fasta | liable: I thought it arranged all the windows in one screen and that you could easily cycle through them. I am not completely sure however, and it could be that the Alt-tab feature is meant. |
| 16:25.33 | pelzi_ | udp ssh would be interesting |
| 16:25.57 | liable | fasta: alt+ctl up|down arrow |
| 16:26.07 | liable | both are cool |
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| 16:26.37 | fasta | liable: no shit, they are |
| 16:26.40 | RichiH | pelzi_: _anything!_ |
| 16:26.40 | liable | one does one desktop, one does the 4 desktops |
| 16:27.02 | liable | fasta: is that what you were talking about? |
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| 16:28.14 | fasta | liable: I think so. It looks _very_ cool, and maybe even useful. |
| 16:28.36 | fasta | liable: although, sometimes it seems to slow down my computer. |
| 16:28.54 | fasta | liable: I think that's nvidia's fault, however (as I also have it with some games) |
| 16:29.04 | liable | fasta: its pretty fucking snappy on my box that it works with |
| 16:29.31 | fasta | liable: yeah, but I mean while I was just typing something in irssi it stalled for a second. |
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| 16:29.41 | fasta | liable: that's something that shouldn't happen. |
| 16:29.46 | Yumi_mato | fdisk -l in http://rafb.net/paste/results/3s5gvZ35.html |
| 16:29.49 | frederick85 | is there a way I can use a swap partition |
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| 16:30.05 | Yumi_mato | frederick85, with swapon partition |
| 16:30.06 | liable | fasta: eh, yeah, try and debug *that* :P |
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| 16:30.21 | Yumi_mato | frederick85, you must create it first |
| 16:30.22 | wes__ | even though I have awstats config file looking for LogFormat=1 (combined) and my logs are combined, it gives me the error that awstats is looking for common logfiles not combined, is there somewhere else I need to change what its looking for? |
| 16:30.24 | nethenson | hello |
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| 16:31.05 | frederick85 | Yumi_mato: i made one how do I activate it permanently |
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| 16:31.57 | peterasd | guys im connecting to a remote host with telnet on port 23 and the problem is that the server must have some firewall that blocks outgoing connections is it possible to fix this? |
| 16:31.58 | kdean06 | Does anyone else get randomly dropped ethernet interfaces? It's happening to me on several systems, all using different hardware, using stock kernels or custom kernels. Is this an issue that people are aware of, and perhaps have a fix for? |
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| 16:32.40 | wols | kdean06: what does dmesg say? |
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| 16:32.49 | kdean06 | wols, Absolutely nothing. |
| 16:32.58 | Yumi_mato | frederick85, put in /etc/fstab |
| 16:33.02 | liable | peterasd: right, you have a server of yours that you are telneting to that you cant fix the firewall on? |
| 16:33.10 | kdean06 | Well, nothing out of the ordinary. It doesn't show the interface dropping or coming back up. |
| 16:33.29 | peterasd | liable, no its not my server |
| 16:33.29 | wols | then how do you know it's dropped? |
| 16:33.36 | wols | ifconfig showing errors? |
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| 16:33.41 | kdean06 | Nor does syslog. mii-tools reports nothing out of the ordinary. |
| 16:33.41 | nethenson | i am using debian unstable on a pentium centrino, with kernel 2.6.18-1-686 ; when i do: m-a a-i ieee80211, i get the error: dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture i386 does not appear in package's list (amd64) |
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| 16:33.58 | wols | peterasd: if it were you should be embarrassed to run in.telnetd |
| 16:33.58 | frederick85 | Yumi_Mato: i don't know what to put in /etc/fstab and I would like to enable it now too |
| 16:34.20 | buffer | is possible install debian on palm lifedrive? |
| 16:34.23 | kdean06 | wols, I know its dropping because it stops accepting connections. On my desktop, xchat will die, or firefox will stop loading. On the servers, it doesn't respond to pings. |
| 16:34.24 | Yumi_mato | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.29 | liable | peterasd: who is insane enough to run telnetd? ask the admin. or is this a school project or something? |
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| 16:34.43 | wols | kdean06: then there must be something in the log |
| 16:34.56 | peterasd | its univ project |
| 16:35.07 | boguh | hi, when i try to install an e17 package i get this error: E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
| 16:35.14 | wols | peterasd: change unis. this one SUCKS |
| 16:35.16 | wols | seriously |
| 16:35.19 | peterasd | lol |
| 16:35.27 | leafw | what can be done to fix the dpkg database, when dpkg-query is listing packages that 'apt-get remove' cannot find? |
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| 16:35.37 | peterasd | any other ideas |
| 16:35.57 | wols | peterasd: ask the admin. or create a tunneling VPN or whatever |
| 16:36.11 | wols | you haven't even told which outbound ports are blocked |
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| 16:36.23 | dabaR | !resolv.conf |
| 16:36.30 | cydork | leafw: how is that possible?? |
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| 16:36.35 | wols | leafw: paste ONE line of such a pakcage shown by dpkg -l |
| 16:36.36 | liable | boguh: try #e debian doesnt have e17 yet |
| 16:36.42 | leafw | cydork: I wonder as well |
| 16:36.49 | wols | cydork: two letters: rc |
| 16:36.59 | frederick85 | Yumi_Mato: thankyou |
| 16:37.02 | peterasd | tunneling vpn? |
| 16:37.12 | peterasd | where can i find info for that? |
| 16:37.23 | cydork | wols: oh ok |
| 16:37.30 | leafw | cydork : rc kdevelop3-plug 3.2.3-0ubuntu1 An IDE for Unix/X11 - development file |
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| 16:37.35 | Nebukadneza | rehi |
| 16:37.42 | frederick85 | In the top command how do I scroll up and down the processess? |
| 16:37.45 | wols | leafw: #ubuntu. and read the manpages |
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| 16:37.53 | liable | peterasd: i dont get what your problem is, if you can telnet *to* telnetd, what do you need to do after that? |
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| 16:38.01 | pelzi_ | peterasd: openvpn. |
| 16:38.14 | liable | peterasd: anyway, we shouldnt be doing your homework for yoy :P |
| 16:38.20 | Braindead | frederick85: I strongly suggest htop,while you're at it. it always comes in handy |
| 16:38.28 | leafw | wols : as you may very well know, the #ubuntu channel only asnwers about mp3 business. |
| 16:38.39 | Nebukadneza | bah - finally solved the dhcp problem, now mysqld is deconfigured ;(. i get the famous error: 'Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' (Using password: YES)' when starting. i already tried setting the passwords for root/debian-sys-maint again and writing the hash to /etc/mysql/debian.cnf, but that doesnt help |
| 16:38.40 | cydork | leafw: read the topic.. |
| 16:38.48 | peterasd | liable, its not homework im trying to make my shell account usable! |
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| 16:38.51 | Braindead | leafw: as you may very well know,this ain't #ubuntu anyway |
| 16:38.56 | wols | leafw: I don't know anything about #ubuntu, but i do KNOW you are in the wrong channel |
| 16:39.05 | peterasd | liable, ftp and lynx give connection time outs |
| 16:39.11 | pelzi_ | Nebukadneza: the hash? |
| 16:39.19 | leafw | wols : I have debian servers and ubuntu laptops ... never mind |
| 16:39.20 | Nebukadneza | pelzi_: of the password |
| 16:39.23 | cydork | peterasd: they gave you telnet accounts?? are they crazy? |
| 16:39.23 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 16:39.31 | pelzi_ | you don't put the hash there |
| 16:39.32 | Nebukadneza | result of password('whatever') |
| 16:39.39 | frederick85 | Thanks for whoever recommended the Htop it's nice |
| 16:39.43 | pelzi_ | you put the password there. |
| 16:39.49 | Nebukadneza | pelzi_: then what? i took what was written in the 'password' column |
| 16:39.51 | Braindead | frederick85: it's me o/ |
| 16:39.52 | peterasd | i really dont get what u mean? |
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| 16:40.09 | pelzi_ | no, use what you fed to password(9 |
| 16:40.12 | pelzi_ | 9 |
| 16:40.14 | kdean06 | wols, Here is the last bit of dmesg for two machines that both have the issue. -> http://pastebin.ca/221277 |
| 16:40.15 | pelzi_ | ...) |
| 16:40.15 | wols | cydork: they run a telnetd. why do you have to ask? they aren't just crazy, they're idiots too |
| 16:40.17 | Nebukadneza | bwaah - thats not nice |
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| 16:40.20 | Nebukadneza | well - thanks alot! |
| 16:40.33 | cydork | wols: hehe i agree :) |
| 16:40.42 | liable | peterasd: i still dont understand |
| 16:40.45 | pelzi_ | use a long random string |
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| 16:40.51 | Nebukadneza | hehe okay |
| 16:40.55 | peterasd | (its an HP-UX machine ) |
| 16:41.04 | peterasd | and its really just for practise |
| 16:41.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: MAN |
| 16:41.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've ported a great new game from windows to linux! |
| 16:41.17 | liable | odla: it seems to be working fairly well too, and the trolls seem to be less :) |
| 16:41.18 | pelzi_ | a hash is one-way, you cannot know the password when you have only the hash without huge computations |
| 16:41.18 | Nebukadneza | pelzi_: works - thanks ;0 |
| 16:41.26 | pelzi_ | and you need the password to authenticate |
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| 16:41.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: it had no makefile and it has its own library, crazy 3d stuff |
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| 16:41.38 | pelzi_ | the default one looks like a hash but it is just a random string. |
| 16:42.30 | pelzi_ | and where is the world going... my model m has developed a bad shift key |
| 16:42.50 | pickcoder-wrk | gah.. why can't it be friday |
| 16:43.02 | pelzi_ | no, why it's only 2 days to friday |
| 16:43.11 | jorgp | no firefox 2 yet in sid? |
| 16:43.15 | pickcoder-wrk | 2 long headache filled days |
| 16:43.20 | odla | tarzeau: what game? |
| 16:43.24 | odla | jorgp: and it never will be |
| 16:43.25 | Ronin | jorgp: dont know, may never be actually |
| 16:43.26 | pelzi_ | I should stay up a night and look after some warez-lanparty-people |
| 16:43.32 | jorgp | why? |
| 16:43.37 | odla | !iceweasel |
| 16:43.37 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 16:43.48 | pelzi_ | then go to a con on saturday. :S |
| 16:43.57 | tarzeau | odla: lone warrior |
| 16:44.00 | pickcoder-wrk | liable: I know the feeling. spent all weekend doing roof work. That's been going on for 5 weeks now |
| 16:44.08 | jorgp | lol |
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| 16:44.16 | pelzi_ | who needs holidays ;) |
| 16:44.21 | pelzi_ | just learn from the Japanese |
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| 16:44.25 | Ronin | i do i do |
| 16:44.42 | odla | also didn't firefox 2 just get released yesterday? that would be pretty impressive if it made it to sid by today |
| 16:44.56 | jorgp | hehe |
| 16:45.00 | Ronin | odla: it did get released an dit wont |
| 16:45.09 | liable | pickcoder-wrk: thats what roof plumbers are for :) |
| 16:45.16 | Braindead | there's an rc in experimental |
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| 16:45.24 | liable | time fer bed |
| 16:45.31 | Ronin | ie |
| 16:45.42 | Braindead | netscape FOUR |
| 16:46.01 | liable | before others do.. |
| 16:46.05 | wols | Braindead: go to peterasd's uni. they use telnetd. you fit right int |
| 16:46.06 | liable | TELNET!!!! |
| 16:46.08 | wols | -t |
| 16:46.15 | odla | Ronin: i know it won't...see my above comment |
| 16:46.28 | pickcoder-wrk | liable: I didn't have 12K in cash to pay someone |
| 16:46.36 | Braindead | wols: sorry I'm not that use to this interweb thing. I come from archie and gopher,you know... |
| 16:46.38 | liable | pickcoder-wrk: fairnough |
| 16:46.57 | peterasd | wols, is this so bad for security reasons? |
| 16:47.05 | Braindead | jorgp: gnome? give epiphany a spin,I kinda like it |
| 16:47.07 | wols | peterasd: yes |
| 16:47.24 | peterasd | i told its just a machine for practise of unix |
| 16:47.26 | pickcoder-wrk | liable: got it done for around $1000 even though my back is threatening me daily |
| 16:47.26 | Braindead | peterasd: telnet. in 2006. shame on you |
| 16:47.31 | peterasd | theres nothing in there |
| 16:47.47 | |Day-Walker| | (n |
| 16:47.55 | peterasd | and i m just trying to use its connection... |
| 16:47.59 | liable | pickcoder-wrk: sweet, lets hope the next hurricane season it holds up :) |
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| 16:48.09 | pickcoder-wrk | oh.. it won't go anywhere |
| 16:48.16 | pickcoder-wrk | you could park a car on the rafter system |
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| 16:48.18 | pickcoder-wrk | :P |
| 16:48.38 | liable | yeah, but will it leak! |
| 16:49.37 | peterasd | liable, plz keep it simple cause my english suck and tell me , i need programs liek ftp to work through this box is it possible? |
| 16:49.50 | pickcoder-wrk | that's not even remotely funny |
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| 16:50.10 | mitch_ | Can someone advise me how to mount/extract a dumped mtd0 |
| 16:50.11 | Element14 | peterasd: ask your admins in ur uni |
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| 16:50.20 | pickcoder-wrk | I still have to gut 5 walls due to water damage |
| 16:50.27 | peterasd | i dont think they ll help me:( |
| 16:50.30 | pickcoder-wrk | anyway.. work awaits |
| 16:50.43 | tictac | hm. why is debootstrap telling me that sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz is corrupt ? |
| 16:50.53 | helo | johnath is a funny one |
| 16:50.54 | peterasd | this box is not for such purposes |
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| 16:51.10 | liable | peterasd: you need to connect to the box, and then ftp from it to others? |
| 16:51.16 | peterasd | yeap |
| 16:51.24 | liable | sure |
| 16:51.48 | Braindead | I still don't get the problem. if you cannot login,ask the admins. |
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| 16:52.05 | peterasd | i can login |
| 16:52.13 | wols | peterasd: I'd say the admins take a dimm view of you if you do manage to use ftp |
| 16:52.41 | tarzeau | odla: the one from here: http://jet.ro/creations |
| 16:52.42 | liable | wols: its prolly a sandbox, let people play with i guess |
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| 16:53.09 | wols | liable: I think so too. and admins don't like it if their set up security is breached. not at all |
| 16:53.12 | Braindead | that's what sandboxes are for. |
| 16:53.41 | Braindead | by the way he said that machine is running HP-UX. so wtf? |
| 16:53.43 | liable | wols: no other reason why someone would get telnet account on a machine |
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| 16:54.08 | jelly | what to use for dist-upgrade sarge->etch, apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 16:54.16 | cydork | jelly: aptitude |
| 16:54.28 | peterasd | ok is there a solution? |
| 16:54.30 | liable | peterasd: so, you can log in, but you cant ftp out? |
| 16:54.35 | peterasd | yeap |
| 16:54.48 | jelly | cydork: I'm thinking of aliasing apt-get to aptitude. ;-) |
| 16:54.50 | Braindead | jelly: you should use aptitude not only for dist-upgrades but also for daily use. aptitude is your friend |
| 16:55.01 | Braindead | exactly |
| 16:55.05 | tox | I just installed Debian 3.1 Sarge, but it doesn't have Apache 2.2 nor Tomcat 5.5 available. Does anybody know of backports for these? (Both packages exist in unstable, but not in testing) |
| 16:55.17 | Element14 | how is aptitude better than apt-get? |
| 16:55.23 | cydork | jelly: hehe i had a tough time in shifting too :P |
| 16:55.29 | Braindead | !tell Element14 about aptitude |
| 16:55.30 | jelly | Braindead: This is not daily usage. I'm upgrading an image woody->sarge and maybe sarge->etch after that. |
| 16:55.38 | liable | peterasd: and how does ftp fail? |
| 16:55.49 | peterasd | it gives connection time out |
| 16:56.11 | cydork | !tell tox about backports |
| 16:56.12 | liable | peterasd: try 'ftp ftp.debian.org' |
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| 16:56.15 | jelly | Braindead: I am using it for my desktop though, keeping track of auto-installed packages is nice. |
| 16:56.29 | peterasd | liable, ok a moment |
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| 16:56.45 | Braindead | jelly: I strongly suggest aptitude-doc-en. there is a big potentiality on the command line for aptitude |
| 16:56.57 | Braindead | regexp searches and such |
| 16:57.44 | peterasd | liable, connection timed out |
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| 16:58.00 | liable | peterasd: can you ping it? |
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| 16:58.19 | peterasd | liable, still wont response |
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| 16:58.41 | liable | peterasd: ping 128.101.240.212 |
| 16:59.09 | liable | or ftp 128.101.240.212 |
| 16:59.15 | Braindead | peterasd: you're *sandboxed* on a *HP-UX* machine you do *not* administer. why are you asking us? are you looking for 0-d4ys h4cks to r0xx0r that b0xx0rz? wrong channel. for a lot of reasons |
| 17:00.13 | peterasd | Braindead, nop i just have a poor connectiona and through this sheel i could download thngs and get ehm from there |
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| 17:00.30 | Braindead | noc@upnet.gr and ask them for help. this ain't the right place. |
| 17:00.42 | peterasd | ok |
| 17:00.48 | pumpkin0 | initrd-scripts: how do i wait for 10 sec in a 2.6.15 initrd ? |
| 17:01.01 | Braindead | sleep 10 ? |
| 17:01.29 | cydork | pumpkin0: huh?? |
| 17:01.39 | jelly | Braindead: nice, thanks. I use it exclusively in command line... after dselect, I developed a strong dislike for any curses interface for dpkg. |
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| 17:01.56 | pumpkin0 | Braindead: there is no "sleep" in that shell |
| 17:02.05 | cydork | jelly: dselect was horrible :P |
| 17:02.17 | Braindead | pumpkin0: I still don't get what those 10 secs are for |
| 17:02.32 | Braindead | don't tell us where your solution breaks,tell us the problem |
| 17:02.39 | pumpkin0 | cydork: i need to wait for a usb-stick. |
| 17:02.44 | jelly | Braindead: waiting for usb device to settle. |
| 17:03.31 | jelly | pumpkin0: 10 secs is nice, I have to put 60-90 seconds to boot from a virtual USB cdrom on a HP Proliant server. |
| 17:03.38 | cydork | pumpkin0: oh i knew a kernel option for that.. |
| 17:04.04 | jelly | pumpkin0: the upside is that you can boot a remote server from a local iso image which is _very_ handy. |
| 17:04.21 | Althaser | how can I configure my microphone ? please |
| 17:04.29 | pumpkin0 | jelly: it´s a stick and 10 sec is all i need. Its not always there, but i need to detect it somehow ... |
| 17:04.37 | Braindead | mmm /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
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| 17:05.03 | Braindead | rootdelay= |
| 17:05.15 | nethenson | I think I have found why the m-a a-i ipw2200 was failing: there is ipw2200 support already integrated in the kernel. But shouldn't the module-assistant be clearer about that? (maybe I should report it as a bug??) |
| 17:05.37 | pumpkin0 | Braindead: nope. The initrd also loads the usb-modules. |
| 17:05.40 | cydork | pumpkin0: there is a DELAY=0 in mkinitrd.conf |
| 17:05.46 | cydork | pumpkin0: change that to 10 |
| 17:05.46 | Braindead | arrrh sailors |
| 17:06.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh wait! |
| 17:06.19 | liable | pirates! |
| 17:06.25 | liable | arrrrr! |
| 17:06.32 | jelly | nethenson: m-a is a generic tool, it probably doesn't know a) which kernel version you're compiling for, b) you might still want to compile a newer ipw2200 than what comes in kernel |
| 17:06.43 | pumpkin0 | cydork: do you know what that change does ? I´m creating the initrd with mkcramfs ... |
| 17:07.07 | liable | nethenson: doesnt matter, whatever is in your kernel, m-a will replace it |
| 17:07.18 | nethenson | jelly: the thing is that it gives me the error: dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture i386 does not appear in package's list (amd64) |
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| 17:07.32 | nethenson | (when building ieee80211) |
| 17:08.01 | jelly | nethenson: are you trying to crosscompile? Notice the i386 <-> amd64 discrepancy |
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| 17:08.25 | orestyle3 | I have a apache2 install and am having trouble completely removing it so I can do a fresh install. I have tried aptitude remove purge apache2 but it seems to not remove everything. |
| 17:08.26 | nethenson | no, i am on a intel centrino, and was trying to get ieee802.11, for me. |
| 17:08.54 | liable | nethenson: why are you building ieee80211 for ipw2100? |
| 17:09.12 | jelly | nethenson: hmm. you'll have to get newer ieee80211 too. |
| 17:09.28 | orestyle3 | Seems I have trouble uninstalling software completely and have trails of the probram floating around. |
| 17:09.35 | nethenson | dpkg said: To install ipw2200: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. |
| 17:09.43 | orestyle3 | This program was installed with aptitude |
| 17:09.52 | Braindead | orestyle3: define "trails" |
| 17:09.59 | liable | nethenson: is it 2200 or 3945? |
| 17:10.41 | nethenson | and i got the problem with the ieee80211. Later i discovered that in my kernel (2.6.18), i only need the firmware. and the wi-fi is now working |
| 17:11.07 | nethenson | liable: my card ia a ipw2200 |
| 17:11.10 | orestyle3 | like ssl, or other apache related software (lib, etc) that when I do a fresh install, they are unpacked from a previously deleted package. I assume those are the ones that aren't getting deleted completly |
| 17:11.11 | pelzi_ | true |
| 17:11.23 | nethenson | 01:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05), liable |
| 17:11.30 | pelzi_ | module-assistant is not needed for new kernels and ipw2200, it will just break it up |
| 17:11.31 | cydork | pumpkin0: well it waits for 10 seconds.. but frankly i am bit rusted since i tried that. ask google :P |
| 17:11.51 | orestyle3 | Also programs like apache-utils are still showing up. I just want to kill all the apache stuff and reinstall, but it wants to fight me on it |
| 17:12.10 | Braindead | orestyle3: define "fresh install" now. what's the real problem? |
| 17:13.00 | liable | Braindead: he fuxored the conf and needs a fresh start :) |
| 17:13.00 | nethenson | pelzi_: the thing is that a simple "Notice: there is a ieee80211/ipw2200 already built in your kernel. You only need the firmware. Do you want to continue to build the modules? (N/y)" |
| 17:13.05 | george_ | are there pdf tools where I can get particular pages in one pdf and put em in another? |
| 17:13.08 | nethenson | would be a nice idea :) |
| 17:13.15 | jelly | orestyle3: other packages (eg. apache 1.3) might depend on apache2-utils. Not to worry about that particular package, that's normal. |
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| 17:13.56 | cydork | nethenson: It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 |
| 17:14.02 | liable | hrm, no, aptitude should remove all auto depends *if* it was installed with aptitude |
| 17:14.03 | orestyle3 | Real problem, when I unistall Apache and all programs I installed with apache, then try to do a new install of apache I get (what seems to be) old programs that I throught where deleted and their configurations comming back with the new install. It's like they never where deleted just marked as unused. I have also used purge when doing the remove in aptitude |
| 17:14.41 | nethenson | cydork: I know now, i just wish m-a had warned me. I would saved me a lot of time :) |
| 17:14.59 | orestyle3 | So, by doing something like aptitude remove purge apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-common I would assume most of the other installed software would also get uninstalled |
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| 17:15.12 | pelzi_ | I spent a week before I realized the m-a fight was useless |
| 17:15.15 | cydork | nethenson: :) |
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| 17:15.31 | pelzi_ | oh, well, life is about learning... |
| 17:15.32 | fasta | liable: it seems it uses lots of CPU though. When I move a window with lots of contents Xorg uses >60% CPU sometimes. |
| 17:15.37 | orestyle3 | I was trying to do a ssl setup with apache and installed some of the mods. Would those cause problems? |
| 17:15.41 | jelly | orestyle3: apt-get --purge remove apache2-common; rm -rf /etc/apache2 _should_ be enough. I haven't tested it, standard disclaimer applies, if it breaks you get to keep all the pieces. |
| 17:15.47 | liable | fasta: ouch |
| 17:15.56 | fasta | liable: that shouldn't happen, right? |
| 17:16.04 | liable | fasta: no |
| 17:16.09 | orestyle3 | jelly: this is testing machine, but I understand the risks.... |
| 17:16.17 | fasta | liable: likely cause? |
| 17:16.18 | liable | fasta: blame your card driver |
| 17:16.30 | jelly | orestyle3: or "aptitude purge apache2-common" if you prefer aptitude. |
| 17:16.37 | fasta | liable: nvidia 9625 should be ok, no? |
| 17:16.59 | liable | fasta: no idea |
| 17:17.07 | fasta | liable: ok, thanks |
| 17:17.08 | liable | fasta: dont have one :) |
| 17:17.15 | fasta | liable: lucky you |
| 17:17.21 | nethenson | fasta: I am using it now, works without problems for me |
| 17:17.33 | jelly | orestyle3: since all flavors of apache2 depend on -common, purging -common ought to be enough. |
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| 17:17.38 | liable | fasta: worse, i have two boxen with ati's :( |
| 17:17.42 | fasta | nethenson: you are using compiz and aiglx? |
| 17:17.58 | nethenson | no, fasta |
| 17:18.13 | fasta | nethenson: you are using one of them? |
| 17:18.19 | fasta | nethenson: or none? |
| 17:18.20 | orestyle3 | jelly: Just seems when I do install after purging, apache won't start (which is unusual for me with apache2) |
| 17:18.42 | jelly | orestyle3: have you deleted /etc/apache2 before installing again? |
| 17:18.42 | nethenson | no, simple x.org in my box. |
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| 17:19.10 | rue_house | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room <-- I thought that was fixed 3 years ago?! |
| 17:19.17 | orestyle3 | jelly: when I did the aptitude remove apache2, then I went into the etc and deleted the apache2 folder |
| 17:19.22 | unixslut | good |
| 17:19.28 | liable | orestyle3: if you have manually dleted stuffs, then you are prolly missing shit when it was reinstalled |
| 17:19.32 | rue_house | why am I getting it now? |
| 17:19.43 | liable | !tell rue_house about mmap |
| 17:19.53 | liable | rue_house: to many sources |
| 17:19.55 | jelly | orestyle3: "aptitude purge apache2-common", not "aptitude remove something". |
| 17:20.03 | rue_house | erm, I have two |
| 17:20.24 | orestyle3 | jelly: does that dump it from the download? |
| 17:20.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: where'd you go ? |
| 17:20.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm here |
| 17:20.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: will you package something for liable .. he'll lub you forever! |
| 17:20.57 | jelly | orestyle3: first purge. That will make dpkg forget about all the conffiles present. then use rm to wipe remaining junk from the filesystem, then reinstall. |
| 17:20.59 | tarzeau | can you beat my highscore of 507200 ? |
| 17:21.08 | odla | tarzeau: bub n'bros? |
| 17:21.10 | tarzeau | which software? it's not python/perl? |
| 17:21.15 | tarzeau | odla: man , i'd love to! |
| 17:21.21 | tarzeau | odla: you run a server? |
| 17:21.29 | tarzeau | odla: ah no, lone warrior |
| 17:21.34 | orestyle3 | jelly: should I leave the plain apache folder alone? (default?) Or purge and delete too? |
| 17:21.35 | tarzeau | odla: that new game, i'll itp and package it... |
| 17:21.37 | odla | i can't right now...i'm at university :( |
| 17:21.37 | jelly | orestyle3: if you only remove, dpkg will not place the default conffiles back when you install it. |
| 17:21.46 | tarzeau | odla: it is particle based, 3 levels, nice graphics |
| 17:22.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: liable ? |
| 17:22.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: eh .. you'll have to package more than one thing |
| 17:22.16 | rue_house | why is there a static limit on that anyhow? |
| 17:22.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://freepop.sourceforge.net/?page=screenshots |
| 17:22.26 | odla | tarzeau: nice...do you have a repo? |
| 17:22.54 | jelly | orestyle3: /etc/apache shouldn't matter, but if you don't need it I suggest purging and deleting the cruft too. |
| 17:22.55 | liable | !beat abrotman |
| 17:22.58 | abrotman | liable: you didn't like Populous ? |
| 17:23.02 | liable | abrotman: what you talkin about willace? |
| 17:23.07 | rue_house | everyone knows you beat people with a trout, not a stick |
| 17:23.11 | liable | abrotman: i dunno what it is |
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| 17:23.22 | abrotman | liable: willis .. |
| 17:23.32 | orestyle3 | jelly: when I try to delete apache, I get the error Ack, something bad happened while installin packages (this is on a aptitude purge apache) |
| 17:23.35 | liable | abrotman: gary coleman? |
| 17:23.41 | odla | it looks like a sad freeciv |
| 17:23.41 | liable | you know? |
| 17:23.45 | tarzeau | odla: a repo? i have like 10 repos :) |
| 17:23.51 | odla | :) |
| 17:23.53 | liable | oh, grammar! |
| 17:23.54 | abrotman | liable: yes .. Willis was his brother's name |
| 17:23.55 | tarzeau | odla: i'll let you know when i have this package ready |
| 17:24.12 | liable | abrotman: yeah yeah |
| 17:24.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: if i like it, i'll package 50 things |
| 17:24.22 | tarzeau | odla: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 17:24.26 | tox | How would be the best way of installing Apache 2.2 and Tomcat 5.5 while keeping the system at Sarge/Stable? I didn't find the packages on either backports.org nor apt-get.org.. it turns out i need to backport a lot of packages if I want apache 2.2 debianized.. is installing / compiling it myself very bad? :o) |
| 17:24.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: weeeee freepop, is like poulous? |
| 17:24.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: supposedly |
| 17:24.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: fuuuuun |
| 17:24.54 | liable | you should know by now i cant spell |
| 17:24.56 | jelly | orestyle3: that doesn't really tell anything. You should provide the complete output together with the command invoked. /msg dpkg paster |
| 17:24.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: you'll have ot package kyra .. which i actually do know about |
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| 17:25.01 | odla | tarzeau: thanks |
| 17:25.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: let me have a look at it |
| 17:25.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: i've used kyra before .. about five or six years ago |
| 17:25.51 | rue_house | APT::Cache-Limit 82582912; still isn't enough, shll I just start adding 0's on the end? |
| 17:26.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: got an url for kyra? |
| 17:26.18 | tarzeau | ah a sprite engine |
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| 17:26.32 | HATE-ME | !paste |
| 17:26.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 17:26.32 | orestyle3 | jelly: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4220 |
| 17:26.41 | Seb | if myproc is an intel core duo, waht kernel do I wannna run ? |
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| 17:26.49 | Seb | s/myproc/my proc/ |
| 17:26.55 | tarzeau | liable: can you package kyra, when i do freepop? |
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| 17:27.23 | liable | tarzeau: sure, just send me all your women, and i'll do it |
| 17:27.28 | jelly | orestyle3: congrats, you found a bug in apache package postrm scripts! |
| 17:27.47 | tarzeau | liable: i thought you want freepop? |
| 17:27.50 | Seb | i mean, can I run amd64 or not ? |
| 17:27.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: eh .. http://www.grinninglizard.com/kyra/ |
| 17:28.00 | tarzeau | liable: i'm not a women warehouse, besides i don't have any |
| 17:28.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: seems to have moved to sf.net though |
| 17:28.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: yep http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=45734 |
| 17:28.16 | orestyle3 | jelly: Is that good? |
| 17:28.22 | liable | tarzeau: no packaging for you then! |
| 17:28.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: why should i package it, if he doesn't care doing half the work? |
| 17:28.42 | liable | tarzeau: who said i want freepop? |
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| 17:28.57 | Seb | because it seems the core duo procs support 64 bits instructions so I'm confused |
| 17:28.59 | tarzeau | 19:20 < abrotman> tarzeau: will you package something for liable .. he'll lub you forever! |
| 17:29.07 | tarzeau | liable: abrotman said so |
| 17:29.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: i was joking .. i want it |
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| 17:29.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: will there be the day where you package one thing yourself? |
| 17:29.46 | abrotman | !be a packaging barbie |
| 17:29.47 | dpkg | Aww, packaging is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 17:30.01 | jelly | orestyle3: no, that's a bug. to work around, I'd do aptitude install apache (make sure it installed ok), then aptitude purge apache apache-common |
| 17:30.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: kyra probably isn't that hard .. but i haven't used it in years |
| 17:30.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: configure: error: *** boost headers not found! |
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| 17:30.31 | Seb | ok, so no one knows if I'm supposed to run a 64-bit distro on a core duo ? |
| 17:30.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i do have libboost-dev - Boost C++ Libraries development files .. i'll have to read INSTALL |
| 17:30.46 | liable | Seb: no! its 686 |
| 17:30.51 | jelly | Seb: what are you going to run on it? |
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| 17:31.07 | Seb | liable: well i'm reading that it supports 64 bit instructions |
| 17:31.11 | Seb | jelly: it's a laptop |
| 17:31.21 | Feax | Seb: my core 2 duo don't work with etch |
| 17:31.26 | orestyle3 | jelly: So I'm kinda like an explorer that found something thought to have been lost? |
| 17:31.28 | Feax | Seb: so I use kmuto backported image |
| 17:31.32 | Seb | Feax: define "don't work" |
| 17:31.33 | liable | Seb: so install 54 and see then, i have been wrong before :) |
| 17:31.37 | jelly | Seb: FWIW, we have 64bit RHEL4 running on a Core Duo server so at least some Core Duo have 64bit support. |
| 17:31.41 | Seb | liable: heh |
| 17:31.44 | Seb | jelly: ok |
| 17:31.55 | Seb | so, does Debian have 64 bits these days or not ? |
| 17:31.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: dear friend, i must say: forget it |
| 17:32.01 | Feax | Seb: When I try to install it that is too slow really slow for install |
| 17:32.11 | orestyle3 | jelly: does that bug need to be reported to apache? |
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| 17:32.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: freepop needs a libclanlib of 0.7.x but debian rather ships the very ancient 0.6.x |
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| 17:32.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: whenever this and kyra is in, i'll be glad to package/maintain freepop for you |
| 17:32.54 | tarzeau | (since i'll play it myself too) |
| 17:32.57 | jelly | orestyle3: no, that "congrats" was really ironic. The bug should be reported to Debian but I think it already was. |
| 17:33.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: got paypal money? send me US$ 100 and i'll do it (all three) |
| 17:33.24 | liable | screw you guys -> bed |
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| 17:33.34 | tarzeau | liable: wait wait, one last joke |
| 17:33.47 | tarzeau | liable: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/gnomevskde.txt |
| 17:34.04 | orestyle3 | jelly: sounds good, will try what you recommended.. Should I worry about any of the other apache folder (apache-ssl, apache-perl,...?) |
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| 17:34.22 | jelly | orestyle3: omg, you have more of them? |
| 17:34.29 | liable | tarzeau: i read that yesterdy, it not funny :P |
| 17:34.37 | LLcoolM | hi, i need an application that can playback the raw videostream from an analogue tv-capture-card |
| 17:34.38 | tarzeau | liable: :( and this not either? 10:29 < Diablo-D3> if gnustep suddenly becomes cool, will gnome die? |
| 17:34.47 | liable | hah! |
| 17:34.58 | LLcoolM | i did cat /dev/video0 > testfile.raw and now i cannot play it back |
| 17:35.08 | Feax | Seb: why you don't try kmuto backported image with 2.6.18 kernel ? |
| 17:35.11 | liable | tarzeau: your a funny man :) |
| 17:35.15 | Feax | Seb: I'm sure that work : |
| 17:35.15 | orestyle3 | jelly: yes |
| 17:35.21 | tarzeau | good night |
| 17:35.33 | liable | night |
| 17:35.35 | liable | :) |
| 17:35.45 | jelly | orestyle3: well, if you only need one apache installation and are going with apache2, common sense says to remove (well, purge) everything else. |
| 17:36.09 | satch | hih all - I installed debian using the latest knoppix cd and debootstrap - rather than using apt to download a kernel, I want to compile my own kernel from the latest vanilla source - going into the chroot environment and running make, it doesn't work, gives me all kinds of syntax errors - exiting from the chroot env and running make works fine - obviously im missign some headers or other devel files, but I have no idea which ones. Anyone help me ? |
| 17:37.04 | cydork | satch: /msg dpkg kernel package |
| 17:37.14 | Braindead | satch: you have to get the tools *into* the chroot. or just make-kpkg outside and deploy the deb |
| 17:37.34 | satch | Braindead: tools ? |
| 17:37.47 | satch | I have make and gcc installed in the chroot |
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| 17:38.05 | Braindead | ncurses-dev ? |
| 17:38.11 | cydork | satch: that is not enough check what i said earlier.. |
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| 17:38.40 | satch | hmmm, not if ncurses-dev is installed, ncurses is |
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| 17:39.08 | Braindead | make config. have fun typing Y and m |
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| 17:39.58 | Seb | Feax: you haven't convinved me that it "doesn't work" |
| 17:40.19 | Feax | Seb: I did |
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| 17:40.29 | Feax | Seb: When I try to install it that is too slow really slow for install |
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| 17:41.02 | Feax | Seb: that is what I said few minuts ago |
| 17:41.06 | Seb | Feax: *what* is slow ? Do you realize how un-specific you're being ? |
| 17:41.41 | Feax | Seb all is slow for example for launch the partition tool it take 1hour45minuts |
| 17:41.42 | Stevie[FP] | the d-i webpage says that "Preparations for etch RC1 release will break most beta 3 images". That means I should use one of the nightly netinst ISOs, right? |
| 17:41.46 | satch | Braindead: make config didnt work either :) |
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| 17:42.15 | satch | ncurses-dev wasnt insalled tho, installing now |
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| 17:43.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not that desperate |
| 17:43.34 | odla | abrotman: why not just play freeciv? |
| 17:43.36 | Seb | Feax: what installer did you use ? |
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| 17:43.46 | Braindead | satch: use kernel-package. outside the chroot. or just install a [kernel|linux]-image inside the chroot |
| 17:43.57 | Feax | Seb: Etch and Sarge i386 |
| 17:44.15 | Feax | Seb: now I have sarge with 2.6.18 from www.kmuto.jp |
| 17:44.22 | Seb | Feax: did you report this problem ? |
| 17:44.33 | satch | Braindead: I will if I have to |
| 17:44.40 | Feax | Seb: nope |
| 17:45.04 | Braindead | satch: get a clue while you're at it |
| 17:45.22 | Braindead | and build-essential metapackage |
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| 17:45.37 | Seb | Feax: why not ? |
| 17:45.50 | jelly | how good is etch installer these days, can I choose Gnome or KDE somewhere on the line and get a system resembling Ubuntu (that is, lots of apps and most if not all hardware works)? |
| 17:46.04 | Seb | Feax: also, why not use the amd64 installer/version of Debian, since apparently this is what's recommended for Core Duos ? |
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| 17:46.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: why should you been desperate? |
| 17:46.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: man, i was kidding with the money |
| 17:46.23 | Feax | Seb: I thought amd64 is for AMD ^^ |
| 17:46.30 | Braindead | tarzeau: 100$ is too cheap |
| 17:46.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not a duct-tape |
| 17:46.38 | Feax | Seb: I dont knew I can report this bug :X |
| 17:46.43 | Caelum | how do I make apt-listbugs not prompt me about bugs on apt-get installs? |
| 17:46.49 | tarzeau | Braindead: really i don't care for money |
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| 17:47.03 | Seb | Feax: #debian-boot would tell you where to report thatr |
| 17:47.16 | Braindead | tarzeau: you're not in it for the money. not for the girlies either. only for the glory |
| 17:47.24 | tarzeau | Braindead: not even that |
| 17:47.27 | Seb | i'm in for the chicks |
| 17:47.41 | tarzeau | Braindead: it's not the glory (is there any glory? with debian?) |
| 17:47.53 | jelly | Seb: small yellow live fuzzy thingies? |
| 17:47.54 | Feax | Seb: you have deiban installed on your c2d machine ? |
| 17:48.15 | Braindead | Caelum: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10apt-listbugs apt-listbugs is your friend anyway,let him do his job (save your ass( |
| 17:48.15 | Seb | jelly: the other kind |
| 17:48.24 | Seb | Feax: it's installing |
| 17:48.25 | tarzeau | Seb: you could have more chicks if you wouldn't work for debian, use debian or be in #debian |
| 17:48.30 | Caelum | Braindead: thank you |
| 17:48.32 | jelly | Seb: Yeah, chick-peas are healthy. |
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| 17:48.34 | Feax | ok Seb with AMD64 ? |
| 17:48.34 | Braindead | tarzeau: yeah,glory among the crowd of geeks |
| 17:48.45 | tarzeau | Braindead: so i have glory? |
| 17:48.49 | Seb | tarzeau: i don't quite have the bandwidth to handle more anyway |
| 17:48.50 | Neoteric | anyone try to use etch+exim4 w/ a monolithic config file? |
| 17:49.00 | tarzeau | Seb: what country? |
| 17:49.08 | Braindead | tarzeau: you should |
| 17:49.10 | Seb | tarzeau: you mean where do I live ? |
| 17:49.16 | tarzeau | Seb: yes that |
| 17:49.17 | Braindead | at least for doing good links2 packages |
| 17:49.22 | Seb | tarzeau: CA, USA |
| 17:49.33 | tarzeau | Braindead: wow, someone knows who packages links2 :) |
| 17:49.42 | Neoteric | or better statement.... why is it when I run update-exim4.conf I never get a /etc/exim4/exim4.conf even when I say dc_use_split_config='false' |
| 17:50.08 | jelly | tarzeau: someone _uses_ links2? :-> |
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| 17:50.30 | Caelum | is links2 better in any way than elinks? |
| 17:50.34 | Braindead | yeah! to look pr0n sites I don't wanna end up in my history |
| 17:50.40 | tarzeau | jelly: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=links2 |
| 17:50.44 | Feax | Seb: you use AMD64 installer ? |
| 17:50.46 | tarzeau | Caelum: yes it does graphics rendering |
| 17:50.53 | tarzeau | Caelum: for x, for svgalib and framebuffer |
| 17:50.56 | Seb | Feax: yes |
| 17:51.02 | Feax | Seb: Etch or Sarge ? |
| 17:51.04 | niles | i would like to put a script in /etc/rc2.d that ssh -R . how can i provide the password? |
| 17:51.05 | Caelum | tarzeau: if it did it for rxvt too that would rock :) |
| 17:51.15 | Braindead | niles: expect |
| 17:51.17 | tarzeau | Caelum: you know what rxvt is? |
| 17:51.18 | niles | ahh |
| 17:51.26 | Seb | Feax: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 17:51.30 | niles | Braindead. that was on the tip of my tounge. thanx pal |
| 17:52.02 | jelly | tarzeau: hmm, makes me want to write a popcon-fight script a'la googlefight |
| 17:52.07 | Caelum | tarzeau: rxvt and rxvt-unicode support rendering graphics, believe it or not |
| 17:52.14 | Feax | okay Seb I am good with my sarge so I'll wait for reinstall till december ^^ |
| 17:52.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: bugs.debian.org/libclanlib-dev can you ask him to upgrade? |
| 17:52.29 | tarzeau | Caelum: so does xterm |
| 17:52.32 | tarzeau | Caelum: so? |
| 17:52.32 | jelly | Caelum: well, even xterm supports bitmap rendering. |
| 17:52.33 | Caelum | niles: set up your keys so that it doesn't ask for a password |
| 17:52.38 | Braindead | Caelum: if you've got rXvt,you've got X. end of the problem |
| 17:52.49 | Braindead | links2 -g or xlinks2 |
| 17:52.52 | niles | thats an other method too. |
| 17:53.07 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: speaking of links2 - why when I use directfb does the resolution go down (to make it useless performance is good but it looks like crap) using the unaccelerated framebuffer it looks fine but mouse moves really slow |
| 17:53.19 | Bombo | what package do i have to apt-get to install a time server? (port 37, not ntp!) |
| 17:53.29 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: you can configure that |
| 17:53.31 | Caelum | Braindead: but if it worked in rxvt, you could have the browser in a screen session :) |
| 17:53.42 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: the resolution as well as the mouse speed |
| 17:53.45 | Braindead | mmm,good point |
| 17:53.56 | tarzeau | Caelum: now? it did so, since like ever |
| 17:54.01 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: The resolution works right (but not if I use directfb) |
| 17:54.05 | tarzeau | Caelum: and it's not xterm specific |
| 17:54.25 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: use fbset ? does links2 -g change the resolution? are you sure? |
| 17:54.33 | jelly | Caelum: It's been there since last century, I remember an acquintance(sp?) writing an app for displaying X-Faces in slrn in xterm |
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| 17:55.21 | Braindead | anyway links2 already works with screen,it can open up new windows inside it |
| 17:55.26 | jelly | Caelum: it was bitmaps though, not full-blown graphics with all the colors. |
| 17:56.52 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: links2 -g / 640 by 480 (accelerated) links2 -driver fb -g I get 1280 by 1024 (non accelerated) |
| 17:57.08 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: (console is already running at 1280 by 1024 working right) |
| 17:58.26 | Caelum | is links2 a better textmode browser than elinks, or about the same? |
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| 17:58.43 | jelly | wtf, why not use X + ratpoison if one really wants a graphical browser and something screen-like. |
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| 17:59.23 | fasta | liable: compiz is statically linked, that's why it's so slow... |
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| 18:00.13 | Caelum | jelly: neat :) |
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| 18:02.11 | Roey | Hey all! I'm trying to mail /var/log/apache2/access.log from my Apache server to a box in the LAN. When I try to send mail, I get a response from the border relay SMTP server saying that I'm missing the domain name in my FROM:. |
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| 18:02.57 | jelly | Caelum: I haven't run links2 lately, but elinks has tabs and background downloading which is about enough for me. I wish there was a text browser with decent JavaScript. |
| 18:03.53 | tarzeau | Caelum: i never install elinks |
| 18:04.10 | tarzeau | jelly: links2 had background downloading too, since ever. it doesn't have tabs though |
| 18:04.19 | tarzeau | jelly: links2 does javascript? |
| 18:04.21 | Caelum | jelly: I heard something about a text-mode mozilla based browser with the mozilla javascript engine |
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| 18:04.47 | tarzeau | Caelum: yuck! i thought gecko has the scrollbar fix in, where would it go in textmode? |
| 18:04.53 | tarzeau | oh wait just the javascript |
| 18:05.18 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: I don't know much about framebuffers but (fbset -i lists my res as 1280-1024-60 - Accelerator : ATI Radeon family (which is right) - is it directfb I should be configuring or links2 ? |
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| 18:07.23 | Caelum | oh, it says elinks can use the mozilla spidermonkey javascript engine |
| 18:07.42 | JordiGH | Hm. Is this document policy? Wikipedia seems to suggest it is: http://people.debian.org/~enrico/dcg/index.html |
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| 18:08.12 | adrianoc | beyond cupsys, hpijs, smbfs, what more is necessary to install so that i can configure a pritner shared windows ? |
| 18:08.42 | jelly | adrianoc: samba? |
| 18:08.52 | JordiGH | andrianoc: That should be enough, I believe. Are you running into problems? |
| 18:09.16 | JordiGH | adrianoc: Also, get cups and samba instead. I think they're metapackages, but they'll pull everything you need. |
| 18:09.18 | jelly | adrianoc: (I mean, whatever package provides smb) |
| 18:09.24 | jelly | smbd |
| 18:09.34 | JordiGH | !info samba |
| 18:09.35 | JordiGH | !info cups |
| 18:09.41 | dpkg | samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.23c-3 (sid), Packaged size: 3161 kB, Installed size: 7592 kB |
| 18:09.46 | Caelum | another nice thing about both elinks and links2 is that they support the mouse even inside screen (vim and many other apps don't) |
| 18:09.51 | adrianoc | ok i understand ... i to install samba |
| 18:09.53 | JordiGH | I guess cups is wrong. |
| 18:10.46 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: i really have no idea, i use x or svgalib only |
| 18:10.47 | JordiGH | Portuguese names are so similar to Spanish names. I thought I could offer adrianoc help in his native language, but I can't. :-/ |
| 18:10.52 | jelly | Caelum: that might be screen's or terminfo description fault. |
| 18:11.39 | adrianoc | i install samba, but i dont can to install pritner shared windows. |
| 18:11.51 | argonel | when you find that a mirror is missing files, are you supposed to do anything about it or are the mirrors automatically tested? |
| 18:12.17 | adrianoc | the opton is incapacitated |
| 18:12.27 | cureless | argonel: official mirror or unofficial mirror? |
| 18:12.29 | jelly | Does apt-listbugs work for anyone on etch? Mine says Retrieving bug reports... 0% W: unsupported proxy `' |
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| 18:12.55 | JordiGH | adrianoc: You're seeing this in localhost:631 with a web browser? |
| 18:13.18 | adrianoc | yes ... Common UNIX Printing System 1.2.4 |
| 18:13.21 | argonel | cureless: hmm, not sure what makes it offical.. its in the list on debian.org... |
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| 18:13.53 | cureless | argonel: I guess, by official I meant "ftp.debian.org" or other debian.org mirrors. |
| 18:13.54 | JordiGH | :-/ |
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| 18:14.01 | thingfish | what happened to dwn? |
| 18:14.11 | tarzeau | thingfish: you can read about it on planet.debian.org |
| 18:14.11 | thingfish | not enough stuff to write about? |
| 18:14.13 | argonel | cureless: ok. no, its an edu |
| 18:14.17 | cureless | argonel: mirrors are normally updated automatically, even the unofficial ones. What debian are you looking at? |
| 18:14.18 | tarzeau | thingfish: oh there is plenty |
| 18:14.22 | thingfish | thank you, tarzeau |
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| 18:14.28 | JordiGH | adrianoc: I'm not on Debian right now, so I can't help more. Sorry. |
| 18:14.42 | thingfish | tarzeau: yeah I know there's a lot going on, that's why I was wondering what happened to it. |
| 18:14.52 | adrianoc | JordiGH: thansk |
| 18:14.58 | Caelum | jelly: most likely, but few mere mortals understand that stuff :) |
| 18:14.59 | tarzeau | thingfish: but someone needs to write it in a way for general public |
| 18:15.03 | argonel | cureless: sid |
| 18:15.04 | tarzeau | thingfish: summarize it |
| 18:15.22 | cureless | argonel: sid changes quite a bit, not all mirrors keep everything all the time. |
| 18:15.25 | tarzeau | thingfish: and then send it to someone that coordinates collection, formatting and delivering in time |
| 18:15.38 | tarzeau | thingfish: joey was doing all that stuff himself for no less than seven years |
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| 18:15.51 | GlocK | hello , is there a .deb package of F |
| 18:15.58 | tarzeau | GlocK: F being? |
| 18:15.59 | argonel | cureless: one moment, i'll investigate the packages |
| 18:16.02 | GlocK | hello , is there a .deb package of FF2 ?? |
| 18:16.06 | tarzeau | GlocK: yes |
| 18:16.08 | GlocK | :) |
| 18:16.08 | JordiGH | Final Fantasy 2? |
| 18:16.09 | tarzeau | GlocK: i made one |
| 18:16.12 | tarzeau | JordiGH: hehe :) |
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| 18:16.16 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
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| 18:16.19 | GlocK | JordiGH , FireFox |
| 18:16.25 | cureless | argonel: also, while they are updating, they might not have everything, so I would suggest to add a ftp.debian.org after your main mirror. (even then you might have to try a few times due to mirror rotation) |
| 18:16.27 | JordiGH | !iceweasel |
| 18:16.27 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 18:16.27 | EnsignRedshirt | Does anyone know which packages has the program pdfjoin? |
| 18:16.33 | EnsignRedshirt | *package |
| 18:16.35 | Jabka | how do i enable acpi support for battery ? |
| 18:16.39 | tarzeau | EnsignRedshirt: you can find out using packages.debian.org |
| 18:17.06 | tarzeau | !factinfo iceweasel |
| 18:17.06 | GlocK | JordiGH , hmm.. thanx |
| 18:17.06 | dpkg | iceweasel -- last modified at Tue Oct 10 21:30:30 2006 by karsten!n=karsten@unaffiliated/karsten; it has been requested 44 times, last by JordiGH, 39s ago. |
| 18:17.18 | tarzeau | JordiGH: it's not from the fsf, but from gnu |
| 18:17.20 | cureless | EnsignRedshirt: you can look it up at packages.debian.org |
| 18:17.28 | eeyore- | oh? is there a problem with dselect now? it segfaults on me when i choose "s)elect" |
| 18:17.43 | tarzeau | eeyore-: wow, 2006 and you still use dselect? |
| 18:17.45 | JordiGH | EnsignRedshirt: You can also use dpkg -S filename to see which package contains a specific file. |
| 18:17.46 | EnsignRedshirt | tarzeau, cureless: Doh! You're right, I should have known that. Thanks. |
| 18:17.54 | eeyore- | tarzeau: hey, i like dselect :-) |
| 18:17.57 | abrotman | odla: freeciv is not *remotely* the same as populous |
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| 18:18.00 | EnsignRedshirt | JordiGH: Does that work if I don't have it installed? |
| 18:18.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: we'll see .. i might do it ... |
| 18:18.09 | JordiGH | EnsignRedshirt: I believe it does. |
| 18:18.15 | cureless | no it doesnt |
| 18:18.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: tell me if you start, i'll be glad to help. have a thttpd and a name? try www.mine.nu |
| 18:18.41 | eeyore- | oh well, apt-get update/upgrade still works, hopefully this updates dselect |
| 18:18.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've been using dyndns like over 5 years, and i love it |
| 18:18.48 | argonel | cureless: it was libpam0g 79-4 created yesterday, so i guess that makes sense |
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| 18:19.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have real servers ... |
| 18:19.24 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:19.30 | cureless | EnsignRedshirt: maybe JordiGH was confused with apt-file |
| 18:19.38 | argonel | does anything other than dselect make use of the changes made by apt-get --set-selections? |
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| 18:19.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: with sid? |
| 18:20.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. do i look stupid ? |
| 18:20.10 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i used to run sid on "real" servers :-) |
| 18:20.16 | eeyore- | abrotman: *ouch* |
| 18:20.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes? :) |
| 18:20.26 | cureless | define "real"? |
| 18:20.30 | eeyore- | hey wait. i still do. |
| 18:20.51 | eeyore- | cureless: web/ftp servers distributing files to paying customers, generating revenue? |
| 18:21.06 | JordiGH | What was the channel for questions specific to development? I thought #debian-dev was it, but it's not here. Should I go look in the other network? |
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| 18:21.39 | tarzeau | cureless: he doesn't like my server, it's ok |
| 18:21.41 | douglas | got a 700mb avi and i'd like to make an svcd out of it. i guess i want to use vcdimager, which appears to want mpeg. should i use vlc to stream the avi into an mpeg first, then make the image with vcdimager, and finally burn the sucker with k3b? and if i got that right, which mpeg codec should i use? vlc appears to do mp1v, mp2v and mp4v (and some other formats) |
| 18:21.49 | tarzeau | cureless: because i don't give him my antique guitar |
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| 18:21.53 | eeyore- | JordiGH: debian development or just plain development? |
| 18:21.54 | cureless | Hey JordiGH if you don't mind me asking (you don't have to answer), how old are you? You seem to be full of energy. |
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| 18:21.59 | tarzeau | cureless: and i have no clue of antique musical instruments |
| 18:22.02 | tarzeau | cureless: he's just jealous |
| 18:22.09 | cureless | lol |
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| 18:22.23 | douglas | !lol |
| 18:22.24 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 18:22.24 | JordiGH | cureless: http://www.cimat.mx/~jordi/kris-and-me.jpg |
| 18:22.24 | jelly | Why don't aptitude hold/unhold changes get reflected in dpkg --get-selections? |
| 18:22.36 | JordiGH | I'm the one missing an X chromosome. |
| 18:22.41 | tarzeau | JordiGH: it's 404 |
| 18:22.41 | FuzzyBubblewrap | does debian use some special way to create it's initrd? |
| 18:22.44 | jelly | lol |
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| 18:22.50 | dondelelcaro | jelly: aptitude uses a different mechanism to hold them. |
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| 18:22.58 | douglas | roffle mayo |
| 18:22.59 | dondelelcaro | FuzzyBubblewrap: it has a whole host of mechanisms to do so |
| 18:23.00 | JordiGH | Oops. http://www.cimat.mx/~jordi/piccies/kris-and-me.jpg |
| 18:23.02 | eeyore- | tarzeau: who doesn't like your servers? |
| 18:23.02 | tarzeau | FuzzyBubblewrap: why does it matter? |
| 18:23.10 | tarzeau | eeyore-: abrot man |
| 18:23.14 | jelly | dondelelcaro: this makes apt-get and aptitude more incompatible than needed. |
| 18:23.23 | FuzzyBubblewrap | because i have to rip apart my initrd and fix some things |
| 18:23.26 | JordiGH | cureless: I am often told that I'm energetic, yes. I speak very quickly and I often stutter. |
| 18:23.30 | JordiGH | cureless: I'm 25. |
| 18:23.33 | FuzzyBubblewrap | and i can't seem to get it to mount on the loop back |
| 18:23.35 | tarzeau | JordiGH: you are left, and kris is right? |
| 18:23.47 | tosh| | I compiled the latest ipw2200 driver and installed the latest firmware but still when trying to associate to my wpa wlan ap I get ioctl[IPW_IOCTL_WPA_SUPPLICANT]: Operation not supported. wpa is supposed to be enabled by default. any ideas anyone? |
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| 18:24.04 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and who's the person with the t-shirt behind with the rainbow on? |
| 18:24.06 | dondelelcaro | jelly: see #137771 |
| 18:24.11 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Very deductive. |
| 18:24.29 | JordiGH | tarzeau: I can't remember. An online friend, most likely. |
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| 18:24.40 | cureless | funny |
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| 18:25.24 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:25.25 | dpkg | <reality> whats the debian package with all the build essentials? |
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| 18:25.37 | Jabka | how can i disable touchpad click ? |
| 18:26.03 | tarzeau | touchpads click? |
| 18:26.11 | eeyore- | tarzeau: "tap to click" feature |
| 18:26.47 | eeyore- | Jabka: read the doc of your driver (X?) and disable whatever is called tap-to-click |
| 18:26.52 | tarzeau | JordiGH: if only they called the gimp, the pimp |
| 18:27.00 | pelzi_ | probably the synaptics driver |
| 18:27.08 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and i wish the debian menu had it under G instead of under the gimp (in the menu, and sorting) |
| 18:27.28 | Jabka | eeyore:to read the Xorg documentation ? |
| 18:27.31 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Speaking of menus, I didn't find a menu entry for antigrav! |
| 18:27.44 | eeyore- | Jabka: no, the synaptics doc, maybe "man synaptics"? |
| 18:27.45 | tarzeau | JordiGH: did you install it? and menu? and run update-menus ? |
| 18:27.50 | cureless | how do people work in this life. I love my work and I still don't want to do it. |
| 18:27.51 | tarzeau | JordiGH: no icon, or no entry at all? |
| 18:27.52 | jelly | dondelelcaro: thanks, that's a step in the right direction. Now I just need to find if someone's reported it as a new bug or not (that one says the command line bug that I'm experiencing is should be reported as a separate issue) |
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| 18:28.04 | JordiGH | tarzeau: I can't remember. I'll go check later. Maybe I'm wrong. |
| 18:28.07 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i do have it: games/arcade/antigravitaattori |
| 18:28.14 | eeyore- | cureless: what do you do for work? |
| 18:28.23 | douglas | what format does vcdimager handle? mpeg2? |
| 18:28.28 | cureless | eeyore-: network research |
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| 18:28.35 | tarzeau | douglas: doesn't it's manuals tell? |
| 18:28.39 | tarzeau | its |
| 18:28.40 | douglas | man page doesn't seem to specify which mpeg |
| 18:28.41 | zinx | douglas: presumably mpeg1 and mpeg2 |
| 18:28.45 | douglas | ok thanks |
| 18:28.53 | tarzeau | douglas: i've bought a dvd player that does divx and mp3 cds... |
| 18:28.55 | zinx | douglas: plain vcd is mpeg1, svcd is mpeg2 |
| 18:29.12 | douglas | tarzeau: me too but this is for my boss |
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| 18:29.25 | tarzeau | zinx: and better resolution for svcd too? |
| 18:29.27 | eeyore- | my dream job would be an extreme tour guide in moab ... after i'm rich, of course |
| 18:29.36 | douglas | tarzeau: better res, variable bit rate |
| 18:29.37 | zinx | tarzeau: depends, i think |
| 18:29.41 | tarzeau | eeyore-: moab? |
| 18:29.48 | eeyore- | tarzeau: moab, utah |
| 18:29.49 | dondelelcaro | jelly: that would be 177374 |
| 18:29.54 | tarzeau | eeyore-: ah that moab |
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| 18:30.00 | cureless | eeyore-: nah, I practically have my dream job, I just need to rise up the ranks a bit, but not a lot, then I won't like my job any more. |
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| 18:30.09 | tarzeau | zinx: man, you weren't here for like ages, isn't it? |
| 18:30.10 | JordiGH | Meh, I'll ask here instead: There's one essential thing I don't understand about building packages. How am I supposed to know what the build-deps are? Is there a tool for this sort of thing? When I build something from source, I usually just do the ./configure && make thing, and when the build process chokes (usually because I'm missing a file) I go and install whatever Debian package(s) provide that file. |
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| 18:30.13 | douglas | svcd tends to yield 2/3rds the res of a dvd |
| 18:30.14 | cureless | I need to get more interns. |
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| 18:30.16 | tarzeau | eeyore-: and you too? |
| 18:30.21 | zinx | tarzeau: naw, i always lurk |
| 18:30.37 | eeyore- | tarzeau: yeah, things were changing as of late ... |
| 18:30.40 | JordiGH | Am I supposed to keep track of those things? And how much track should I keep? Wouldn't practically everything thus need libc6 as a build-dep? |
| 18:30.45 | tarzeau | JordiGH: you can run ldd on the binary or so |
| 18:30.50 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and read the docs? |
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| 18:30.58 | eeyore- | tarzeau: more stuff to do on weekends, etc. just came back from death valley, and sequoia NF |
| 18:31.00 | tarzeau | JordiGH: the final test would be a build environment (chroot,clean) |
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| 18:31.29 | JordiGH | tarzeau: You mean, the upstream docs? |
| 18:31.30 | Havokmon | I'm on debian sid, and after doing an upgrade, my X server won't start a user session. Xorg.log looks good. KDE/GNOME/failsafe, none start. appears to start, then quits. back to kdm or gdm (tried both) any ideas? |
| 18:31.33 | tarzeau | JordiGH: the main problem is to get the files where the belong to, and make sure the binaries will also find it at the end |
| 18:31.40 | tarzeau | JordiGH: those, and any other docs you might find :) |
| 18:31.42 | zinx | JordiGH: use dpkg-buildpackage instead of debian/rules build or whatever |
| 18:31.42 | jelly | dondelelcaro: I found #146207 ... what is the correct email to send additional info (that will magically CC all the interested parties)? |
| 18:31.53 | cureless | Havokmon: you're out of space in /var |
| 18:31.55 | eeyore- | JordiGH: most of the time it's done the hard way, reading the doc that comes with the package, to try and get the list of dependencies |
| 18:31.55 | adrianoc | which packages necessary to install to have have supported the impression? |
| 18:31.55 | zinx | JordiGH: dpkg-buildpackage will complain about the deps |
| 18:31.57 | tarzeau | zinx: debuild!!! |
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| 18:32.13 | eeyore- | JordiGH: sometimes it's also reading the configure.in script looking at the various macros |
| 18:32.20 | lancel00t | i have firehol installed n my laptop and it's logging to my screen (?) any way to stop this? |
| 18:32.21 | dondelelcaro | jelly: just send it to 146207@bugs.debian.org |
| 18:32.42 | Havokmon | cureless: I was initially, but fixed it, then continued to install packages, and everything has installed cleanly. Is there something else to clear out? |
| 18:32.43 | tarzeau | eeyore-: i've got a few packages that only ship the source files (no configure, no makefile) |
| 18:32.54 | douglas | Damn, vlc seems to be going only 1x on this avi -> mpeg convert.. is there a better way to do this? |
| 18:33.00 | tarzeau | eeyore-: have fun finding out what you'll have to link against (and writing the makefiles) |
| 18:33.02 | zinx | JordiGH: if you're making a package, you generally don't have to specify every dep |
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| 18:33.07 | cureless | Havokmon: do you now have space in var? can you start X by just doing xinit? |
| 18:33.08 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Oy. How do you handle those? |
| 18:33.13 | zinx | JordiGH: since it will do some automatic dependency stuff if you tell it to |
| 18:33.19 | tarzeau | JordiGH: just do it? :) |
| 18:33.36 | tarzeau | JordiGH: put a cookie up somewhere, and eat it when you finished the package |
| 18:33.44 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Without a makefile? Do you run autoconf and automake on them yourself? |
| 18:33.47 | zinx | JordiGH: do need the build deps though, i guess |
| 18:33.53 | tarzeau | JordiGH: no, $EDITOR Makefile |
| 18:33.56 | eeyore- | tarzeau: my desk has a bunch of rocks and petrified wood pieces, and some tree barks on the walls :-) from all the desert/mountain trips |
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| 18:34.04 | medc | hello guys |
| 18:34.09 | r0bert | do i have to enable ndiswrapper modul in the kernel to get ndiswrapper to work ? |
| 18:34.09 | Havokmon | cureless: I have space on /var (I just have one root), xinit does not work. the gdm/kdm login does though... |
| 18:34.09 | fasta | I recompiled compiz, but it seems it still uses some operations in software as resizing is very slow (much slower than without compiz). |
| 18:34.18 | medc | i was trouble with the AP software emulation :S |
| 18:34.21 | zinx | fasta: why'd you do that? |
| 18:34.22 | cureless | Havokmon: how does xinit fail? |
| 18:34.22 | eeyore- | tarzeau: oh and a dinosaur thigh bone piece |
| 18:34.30 | r0bert | ( *module ) |
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| 18:34.32 | medc | i got ndiswrapper installe |
| 18:34.37 | fasta | I checked that libGL.so maps to the nvidia gl library. I am not sure what else I can do. |
| 18:34.42 | medc | nad i got recongnize the card too |
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| 18:34.44 | fasta | zinx: because it's ultra slow |
| 18:34.46 | zinx | fasta: the debian compiz package works as well as compiz can; if it's slow, you have some other problem |
| 18:34.46 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Shouldn't that be in a museum according to the laws of your country? |
| 18:34.55 | eeyore- | JordiGH: private land ... |
| 18:34.58 | tarzeau | JordiGH: this one's very nice: http://users.actcom.co.il/~choo/lupg/tutorials/writing-makefiles/writing-makefiles.html |
| 18:34.58 | r0bert | medc okey , i got 'fatal' |
| 18:35.13 | fasta | zinx: when I resize a window by holding the mouse CPU usage goes to >60% |
| 18:35.16 | medc | r0bert, i cant shared internet though S |
| 18:35.17 | medc | :S |
| 18:35.18 | cureless | Havokmon: does it fail as root too? (just checking the obvious, but you did stop kdm/gdm right?) |
| 18:35.21 | Havokmon | cureless: There are 2 font missing errors (I need console mouse :/) And then says FreeFontPath refount=2 should be 1, fixing |
| 18:35.25 | fasta | zinx: "wobbling" takes less. |
| 18:35.32 | tarzeau | eeyore-: interesting, got a photo? |
| 18:35.37 | zinx | fasta: that's because compiz *SUCKS* |
| 18:35.39 | r0bert | medc: okey |
| 18:35.39 | pumpkin0 | suspend & resume: my /usr is mounted from a USB-stick (squashfs-image). After suspend-to-RAM and resume the mount is "broken". Is there anyting i can do about the resume-sequence to bringt back the USB-storage faster ? |
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| 18:35.49 | Havokmon | cureless: I removed kdm, didn't help, haven't tried as root yet - I couldn't kill kdm at first ;) |
| 18:35.56 | douglas | fasta: eye candy decreases productivity |
| 18:35.57 | zinx | fasta: it's telling the application to redraw itself every time you resize the window by a single pixel |
| 18:36.00 | GlocK | tarzeau ,JordiGH , so.. is there a .deb package of Iceweasel? |
| 18:36.03 | tarzeau | eeyore-: my desk at work has a few apples (and some work horses under the table) http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/atwerk.jpg |
| 18:36.05 | eeyore- | tarzeau: no, sorry |
| 18:36.05 | Havokmon | cureless: yeah root doesn't work either |
| 18:36.07 | cureless | Havokmon: just stop kdm /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 18:36.09 | medc | any help |
| 18:36.09 | fasta | zinx: Auch |
| 18:36.19 | tarzeau | eeyore-: it's 6 computers under my desk now (don't tell any of my co-workers) |
| 18:36.30 | tarzeau | eeyore-: they produce so much heat, we have to keep a window open all the time |
| 18:36.37 | tech | http://tech.tnet.no/~tech/error What is wrong? I am trying to install mysql-server-5.0 on an up to date Debian Sarge installation |
| 18:36.39 | Havokmon | cureless: for giggles I stopped gdm too - no go |
| 18:36.40 | abrotman | pumpkin0: what do you suppose happens when you suspend the machine ? and part of it is on USB? and then it tries to run commands from that usb stick when waking up ? |
| 18:36.46 | fasta | douglas: I know, that's why I use Emacs (sometimes in emacs -nw) |
| 18:36.47 | medc | anyone plz? |
| 18:36.49 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Oh, I know how to write simple makefiles. Got it from TIC++. But Makefiles that automake makes are not simple. :-) |
| 18:36.50 | jelly | dondelelcaro: should I put something like "found 0.3.4-2\nthanks" at the beginning of the mail to indicate the bug's still there or is this frowned upon if I don't know what I'm doing? |
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| 18:37.02 | medc | i download hostap and nothiung :S |
| 18:37.02 | cureless | Havokmon: right now, did you stop everything? kdm, gdm, etc. |
| 18:37.08 | fasta | douglas: still it's something different/new |
| 18:37.11 | tarzeau | JordiGH: true, no idea on those, there's a better irc channel for it, mentioned in the /topic of #c |
| 18:37.16 | cureless | Havokmon: and you're logged in as root and xinit doesn't work, right? |
| 18:37.17 | eeyore- | tarzeau: yeah, i have 3 working computers under my desk, two working but powered-off under desk, and five working but to be given away beside desk :-) |
| 18:37.21 | dondelelcaro | jelly: not really needed, because the current versions are decendants of that one, and it hasn't been closed in the meantime |
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| 18:37.32 | tarzeau | eeyore-: but does any of yours run OPENSTEP ? :) |
| 18:37.34 | Havokmon | cureless: root says no program named xterm in path |
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| 18:37.44 | cureless | Havokmon: what did you upgrade from? |
| 18:37.44 | tarzeau | eeyore-: or Debian GNU/kFreeBSD? Hurd? |
| 18:37.50 | Havokmon | cureless: yes, kdm, gdm are stopped, and root or xinit doesn't work |
| 18:37.51 | tarzeau | eeyore-: non-i386 ? |
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| 18:37.58 | cureless | Havokmon: do an aptitude install x-window-system |
| 18:37.58 | fasta | zinx: liable said he didn't have that problem, others said they _had_ the problem and it was solved. |
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| 18:38.01 | Havokmon | cureless: I upgraded from sid... not too long ago |
| 18:38.02 | tarzeau | eeyore-: the ultra5 at the leftmost runs FreeBSD 6.1 :) |
| 18:38.04 | eeyore- | tarzeau: hey cute ... imac |
| 18:38.10 | tarzeau | eeyore-: it's a mac mini now |
| 18:38.12 | douglas | fasta: you could always youtube compiz, satisfy the curiosity (takes a few minutes) and save yourself the trouble of configurating it yourself |
| 18:38.16 | tox | Are there any more recent "default" kernels easily available than i.e. kernel-image-2.6.8-3-em64t-p4-smp.. like 2.6.17 or something |
| 18:38.23 | Havokmon | cureless: ok |
| 18:38.24 | eeyore- | tarzeau: even cuter ... mac mini ... |
| 18:38.26 | tarzeau | eeyore-: and the shuttles are gone, got an IBM RS/6k now |
| 18:38.34 | medc | any help ???? |
| 18:38.46 | JordiGH | douglas: Then the prereq for that is to get Flash working. :-/ |
| 18:38.46 | eeyore- | tarzeau: nah, they're all boring win xp / linux / solaris ... |
| 18:38.48 | fasta | douglas: I can always look at a Ferrari driving on TV. Driving one myself is more fun. |
| 18:38.51 | medc | to shared the internet connetion i tried bridge and nothing :S |
| 18:38.54 | douglas | hah |
| 18:38.55 | adrianoc | ok guys, i can, i install the package smbclient ... thanks all |
| 18:39.08 | douglas | fasta: touche |
| 18:39.12 | Havokmon | cureless: no packages were installed, same thing. Can I do a aptitude remove x-window-system and start over? |
| 18:39.19 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i've got two sfc's too :-) the dual opteron ones, iwill |
| 18:39.31 | JordiGH | !info xcruise |
| 18:39.33 | fasta | douglas: and I looked at it before in that way, and I figured it would be "more stable" by now. But apparently it isn't. |
| 18:39.34 | cureless | Havokmon: install xterm |
| 18:39.40 | dpkg | xcruise: (Fly about a 3D-formed file system), section games, is optional. Version: 0.30-7 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 18:39.41 | eeyore- | tarzeau: dang things sound like jet planes taking off. anytime you compile anything the fans kick on |
| 18:39.42 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: it does not run from the USB-part until afterwards. But it kills the squashfs-mount anyway ... |
| 18:39.45 | tarzeau | JordiGH: but can you do without gtk? without qt? |
| 18:39.59 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Ok, no. I'm a KDE freak. :P |
| 18:40.10 | medc | r0bert, but are u sharing internet through wifi???? |
| 18:40.16 | tarzeau | eeyore-: funny :) i've got an ultra2 and an alpha that sound like an airplane propeller too |
| 18:40.20 | Havokmon | cureless: got an xterm, and an xsession for root now.... |
| 18:40.25 | tarzeau | eeyore-: makes me feel like at the airport |
| 18:40.26 | cureless | Havokmon: there was a package that wasn't upgrading correctly maybe try installing xserver-xorg |
| 18:40.31 | tarzeau | JordiGH: so that's qt :) |
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| 18:40.41 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 18:40.51 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: if i could move the USB-restart to the same time there the IDE-restart happens ... |
| 18:40.57 | solemnwarning | What version of KDE will be in etch stable? |
| 18:40.57 | Havokmon | cureless: ok, will try that |
| 18:41.11 | r0bert | medc: only on my router |
| 18:41.17 | eeyore- | tarzeau: oh and don't get me started about these 1U rackmounts ... every time i configure one on my desk i go deaf for a few minutes ... why do they have to make them blow so hard? |
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| 18:41.34 | medc | r0bert, i got no router... i want a server being a router |
| 18:41.37 | tarzeau | eeyore-: if they made them suck so hard, who'd buy them? |
| 18:41.39 | Havokmon | cureless: Should I remove it first? |
| 18:41.48 | eeyore- | tarzeau: haha :-) |
| 18:42.00 | cureless | Havokmon: not really, but I don't remember the specific bug |
| 18:42.03 | medc | does we have a software for a server beign a router??? |
| 18:42.07 | r0bert | medc: okey, i run wrt linux on mine ;) |
| 18:42.17 | Ronin | medc: pardon? |
| 18:42.18 | Havokmon | cureless: :/ It says it's already at the latest version.... |
| 18:42.29 | abrotman | solemnwarning: no way of knowing .. barely anything is frozen yet .. ask #debian-kde if they have more info |
| 18:43.06 | fasta | JordiGH: that's funny to see, looks likes it comes straight from Hackers (the movie) |
| 18:43.10 | medc | Ronin, i am on a server that has eth0 and i want to shared the connection to the wireless lan |
| 18:43.16 | cureless | Havokmon: you should be able to log in via kdm to "failsafe" now. |
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| 18:43.21 | JordiGH | fasta: It quite possibly does! :D |
| 18:43.28 | medc | r0bert, wrt????? |
| 18:43.32 | JordiGH | !hacker |
| 18:43.32 | dpkg | hacker is probably someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiosity. |
| 18:43.33 | cureless | Havokmon: I wonder if you're missing other packages, but it's strange that x-window-system is not getting them. |
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| 18:43.51 | r0bert | medc: ddwrt |
| 18:44.01 | hehe | hi there... is there any possibility to completely disable the vga output on debian sarge (kernel 2.6.8)? |
| 18:44.14 | tarzeau | GlocK: huh, what happened? |
| 18:44.14 | Havokmon | cureless: I don't doubt it, when I ran out of space, I didn't even realize it at first.. no warnings.. I'll try failsafe |
| 18:44.18 | abrotman | hehe: eh .. turn off the monitor ? |
| 18:44.24 | hehe | :D |
| 18:44.26 | tarzeau | GlocK: wait, you don't know what nethack is? |
| 18:44.28 | GlocK | tarzeau :P nothing |
| 18:44.31 | cureless | hehe: unplug the cable |
| 18:44.32 | medc | r0bert, but it help me to share internet from eth0 to wlan0 output? |
| 18:44.34 | GlocK | no :| |
| 18:44.40 | tarzeau | GlocK: i thought so |
| 18:44.50 | JordiGH | hehe: You mean to ask a different question. |
| 18:44.50 | hehe | it has to work on a remote computer |
| 18:44.52 | tarzeau | !nethack |
| 18:44.53 | dpkg | methinks nethack is a great roguelike game that kicks butt all over *angband. For more information, read http://www.nethack.org/ or newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.nethack apt-get install nethack; then run nethack. Movement is by default using the vi keys, but you can change the keybindings |
| 18:44.56 | cureless | Havokmon: I guess it depends what you did when you ran out of space |
| 18:45.03 | GlocK | JordiGH , so.. is there a .deb package of Iceweasel? |
| 18:45.11 | JordiGH | GlocK: Not yet, I think. |
| 18:45.24 | cureless | hehe: you don't want them to see the login screen? |
| 18:45.28 | hehe | so that no one unauthorized person can try to log in |
| 18:45.31 | r0bert | medc: okey, thx for your advice. but my problem is the ndiswrapper. |
| 18:45.31 | medc | r0bert, i got no router :s |
| 18:45.34 | h3sp4wn | r0bert: ddwrt makes a total mess of the nvram |
| 18:45.46 | hehe | yes thats the point ;) |
| 18:45.48 | cureless | hehe: how about not giving unauthorized people logins. |
| 18:45.48 | multi_io | can anyone confirm that websites with Java applets crash Firefox (and presumably other Mozilla-based browsers) in current Debian testing with Firefox and sun-java5-plugin installed? |
| 18:45.57 | tarzeau | unixslut: yes |
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| 18:46.00 | tarzeau | multi_io: yes |
| 18:46.08 | tarzeau | multi_io: ff2 even crashes on some old javascript problem |
| 18:46.09 | JordiGH | My friends who thought me a nut already for insisting on using Firefox are gonna be convinced that I went off my rocker when they see me using something called "Iceweasel". Ah, well. |
| 18:46.11 | r0bert | h3sp4wn: do you want me to run openwrt ? |
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| 18:46.18 | hehe | well... i wont do so... but would it be possible at all? |
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| 18:46.27 | medc | i want to run a router on this server |
| 18:46.32 | medc | which program can i use?= |
| 18:46.37 | h3sp4wn | r0bert: Not really bothered either way - but openwrt is alot nicer to use |
| 18:46.38 | r0bert | h3sp4wn: ;) |
| 18:46.39 | cureless | hehe: yes, it's possible, in multiple ways. |
| 18:46.42 | medc | to share my eth0 cnnection |
| 18:46.54 | GlocK | tarzeau , JordiGH , thanx :) |
| 18:46.57 | cureless | but that doesn't solve your problems if you fear a person local to the machine. |
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| 18:47.13 | h3sp4wn | medc: Does your wireless card support running in ap mode with hostapd ? |
| 18:47.18 | multi_io | tarzeau: ok. I mean every single webpage with a Java applet on it immediately crashes the browser (FF 1.5.0.7 here). Is that a known problem? |
| 18:47.22 | r0bert | h3sp4wn: yes i know , but do you take care of my child so i can configure it ? |
| 18:47.27 | tarzeau | multi_io: no |
| 18:47.29 | Havokmon | cureless: I did a apt-get clean, the apt-get update, upgrade, then aptitude upgrade, until all the packages installed cleanly. I had one 'stuck' in limbo, but after doing a apt-get -f install it removed the link to the package, and grabbed the latest version - then everything else installed that depended on it. |
| 18:47.30 | r0bert | h3sp4wn: ;) just joking |
| 18:47.34 | Havokmon | cureless: found it |
| 18:47.44 | tarzeau | multi_io: i can view java applets with my firefox 1.5.0.7. which sun java exactly? |
| 18:47.47 | hehe | cureless, could you pls explain to me how it would work? |
| 18:47.50 | Havokmon | cureless: permissions error .xsession-errors |
| 18:48.00 | tarzeau | http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/ffoxdie.xml |
| 18:48.04 | cureless | Havokmon: that might be from the testing |
| 18:48.05 | JordiGH | Ooh, Knoppix 5.0 is out. Anyone tested it yet? |
| 18:48.07 | multi_io | tarzeau: 1.5.0-08-1 |
| 18:48.08 | Havokmon | cureless: private socket dir : permission denied |
| 18:48.10 | tarzeau | multi_io: this one crashes it, no matter what |
| 18:48.12 | medc | h3sp4wn, where can i foudn it? |
| 18:48.20 | tarzeau | JordiGH: #knoppix maybe? |
| 18:48.20 | cureless | Havokmon: that's why I asked you to try as root |
| 18:48.30 | h3sp4wn | medc: Do you not know what make your wireless card is ? |
| 18:48.32 | multi_io | tarzeau: oh. Which one do you use? |
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| 18:48.38 | JordiGH | tarzeau: But I want the #debian opinion! :D Fine, then. |
| 18:48.42 | r0bert | h3sp4wn: ( i was into making my openbsd server i wireless gateway but my wife gets so mad about me giving the shell 24/7 .. ) |
| 18:48.43 | cureless | hehe: you can dissable logins via /etc/inittab |
| 18:48.57 | Havokmon | cureless: yeah - I missed the xterm error as that :( So do you know what the socket dir is? |
| 18:48.57 | tarzeau | multi_io: not the latest one (but because we have an internal application that we are not responsible for that doesn't work with the latest) |
| 18:48.58 | cureless | hehe: you can also recompile the kernel and remove stuff like keyboard access. |
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| 18:49.16 | tarzeau | multi_io: but i tested the latest, and that worked too, just not with the uncool, slow crappy java application that we HAVE to use |
| 18:49.28 | tarzeau | JordiGH: same shit, doesn't ship nethack anymore |
| 18:49.34 | fasta | Odd, that people(Suse) distribute compiz then... |
| 18:49.40 | medc | h3sp4wn, Encore ENUWGI-SG |
| 18:49.49 | h3sp4wn | medc: chipset name |
| 18:49.49 | hehe | cureless, how would that work? |
| 18:49.56 | tarzeau | JordiGH: doing my own: livecd.gnustep.org (i've got updated ones with live-package, but they are not suitable for release yet, since there's a few bugs here and there) |
| 18:49.57 | cureless | hehe: but untless you have physical protection to the machine you're not getting anywhere. And if you had physical protection you might as well just remove the cables. |
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| 18:50.06 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Hm. I think I'm going to download Quantian instead as a Livecd. I was rather disappointed that they removed LaTeX from Knoppix. |
| 18:50.22 | tarzeau | JordiGH: mine has got LaTeX :) and GMT |
| 18:50.34 | Havokmon | cureless: Oh - shit. I deleted my /tmp folder, then re-created it. That's what I screwed up. |
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| 18:50.38 | tarzeau | heck, i even ship Emacs.app |
| 18:50.42 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Ah, but do your livecds have pretty colours at boot time and an image of Tux before any kernel messages? |
| 18:50.44 | h3sp4wn | medc: you can't use hostapd with nsdiswrapper at all (need atheros / prism / (ralink 2500 if you use svn hostapd and devicescape) |
| 18:50.54 | tarzeau | JordiGH: hahaha, no. i removed them all |
| 18:51.01 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i hated those colors |
| 18:51.04 | cureless | Havokmon: you need to tell us those kinds of things, that's an important fact you know. |
| 18:51.11 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and i hated that tux, because i don't want to rely on linux solely |
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| 18:51.24 | tarzeau | JordiGH: for GNUstep it doesn't matter on what it runs, preferably a microkernel |
| 18:51.26 | hehe | well it has no special physical protection... |
| 18:51.28 | Havokmon | yeah I'm an idiot. |
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| 18:51.35 | cureless | hehe: look, you're going nowhere with this. unless you have a padlock on your case you're not really protecting anything this way. |
| 18:51.51 | cureless | hehe: read up on inittab and kernel compilation |
| 18:51.56 | Havokmon | Not like I haven't been running like since the 1.x kernels :( |
| 18:51.59 | tarzeau | JordiGH: it's ok, i don't seek for glory |
| 18:52.08 | evan__ | help xserver wont start because it cant find mouse driver (i dont even have a mouse connected) what is the prob? |
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| 18:52.15 | Havokmon | cureless: Thanks for your time, sorry if I pulled you away from anything. |
| 18:52.24 | tarzeau | evan__: you can tell it to ignore the no mouse |
| 18:52.30 | cureless | Havokmon: the /tmp permissions are 1777 in case you haven't done that yet |
| 18:52.32 | tarzeau | evan__: connect the mouse and it'll work? |
| 18:52.57 | Havokmon | cureless: yep, got it.. thanks :) |
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| 18:54.42 | hehe | cureless, so you dont know a way how to disable vga? |
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| 18:55.08 | r0bert | h3sp4wn: what is your opinion about ubuntu vs debian ? |
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| 18:55.13 | medc | so i cant share with encore Wifi cARD???? |
| 18:55.16 | hehe | even if it makes no sense in your opinion, i just want to disable it :) |
| 18:55.31 | Dackel | /join #single-de |
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| 18:55.42 | r0bert | ;) |
| 18:56.00 | eeyore- | is there a place i can just get qemu-img image making program? |
| 18:56.08 | medc | so i cant share with encore Wifi cARD???? |
| 18:56.12 | eeyore- | don't want to install the whole qemu shebang that pulls in all kinds of stuff |
| 18:56.12 | amphi | eeyore-: dd will do |
| 18:56.33 | abrotman | COWS! |
| 18:56.37 | eeyore- | amphi: have to make vmware vmdk :-) |
| 18:56.50 | h3sp4wn | r0bert: I think the african word for people who cannot install debian applies |
| 18:56.57 | amphi | eeyore-: oh, no idea about vmware |
| 18:57.01 | RichiH | tarzeau: do slm and PARDN BSE SORABLRMYM have any meanings?> |
| 18:57.19 | r0bert | h3sp4wn: ;) okey |
| 18:57.21 | tarzeau | RichiH: hahaha yeah :) |
| 18:57.25 | JordiGH | r0bert: I'll give you my opinion. Ubuntu is doing one great job and Debian another. They have different goals and they are for different markets. Ubuntu is good for the common user, but so is Debian. I personally prefer Debian because its unstable branch updates my favourite mathematical software more quickly and because I feel more at ease with its community dynamics. |
| 18:57.31 | tarzeau | RichiH: OMG , i really wonder where you get that crap from |
| 18:57.33 | eeyore- | bbl |
| 18:57.43 | JordiGH | r0bert: I really do miss the multiracial naked people though. :-( |
| 18:57.54 | jelly | eeyore-: if the alternative is to install vmware-server (free of change) that's an order of magnitude larger than qemu... ;-) |
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| 18:58.00 | tarzeau | RichiH: that's turkish short writings (either used in cell phones or by dorks) really means: selam, pardon bisey sorabilirmiyim |
| 18:58.07 | RichiH | tarzeau: suspected bot runner channels |
| 18:58.13 | jelly | eeyore-: err.. free of charge of course |
| 18:58.14 | tarzeau | RichiH: which means, hello, excuse me can i ask something |
| 18:58.17 | RichiH | ah |
| 18:58.24 | tarzeau | RichiH: looks like a person who doesn't know other languages and wants to ask for help |
| 18:58.40 | r0bert | JordiGH: nice to here what other people think ! |
| 18:58.40 | tarzeau | RichiH: not like a bot. internet in turkey is expensive, even in internet coffees |
| 18:58.49 | tarzeau | RichiH: most people can't provide a personal/home internet line |
| 18:58.50 | RichiH | unlikely if possible |
| 18:58.50 | r0bert | *hear |
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| 18:58.58 | RichiH | ah |
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| 18:59.07 | tarzeau | RichiH: if it's debian related, try #debian.tr |
| 18:59.07 | medc | h3sp4wn, dude what can i do? |
| 18:59.17 | fasta | zinx: I didn't install XGL... that explains why it's so slow. |
| 18:59.21 | h3sp4wn | medc: whatever you want |
| 18:59.21 | tarzeau | RichiH: but really #debian.tr welcomes any issues with turkish language |
| 18:59.25 | RichiH | tarzeau: can you tell me what 'what do you need, keep in mind that i have to get everything you say translated' would be? :) |
| 18:59.34 | RichiH | yah, i should do the usual stunt |
| 18:59.41 | RichiH | see you ther |
| 18:59.43 | RichiH | e |
| 18:59.45 | tarzeau | RichiH: "nasil yardimci olabilirm?" |
| 18:59.51 | tarzeau | RichiH: "how can i help you?" |
| 18:59.54 | jelly | hehe, online real-time translator services |
| 19:00.05 | zinx | fasta: uhm, not really |
| 19:00.05 | medc | h3sp4wn, but i dont know what to do.... i have the wlan0 recognize and the eth0 recongnize but i want to shared internet within the LAN |
| 19:00.16 | jelly | tarzeau: what about "my hovercraft is full of eels"? |
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| 19:00.23 | zinx | fasta: debian does AIGLX, and doesn't have XGL |
| 19:00.41 | zinx | fasta: you do need nVidia's 9625 or 9626 drivers for aiglx, though. |
| 19:00.58 | fasta | zinx: I have those drivers. |
| 19:01.00 | fasta | zinx: (and they are enabled) |
| 19:01.07 | zinx | fasta: also, afaik, compiz won't run at all without one or the other |
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| 19:01.12 | ehj20 | I'm setting up network booting on a home machine. What's probably the best tftp image to use - bf2.4, compact or idepci, or will any of them probably work? The client is a compaq ipag celeron 500Mhz, 128Mb RAM. |
| 19:01.14 | zinx | fasta: and it's accelerated with either one. |
| 19:01.19 | RichiH | jelly: that would be 'kekeke |
| 19:01.26 | zinx | fasta: i'm telling you - compiz tells the window to update every single pixel it's resized |
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| 19:01.32 | jelly | zinx: I have "aiglx" messages in Xorg's log. What can I do with it? :-) |
| 19:01.41 | zinx | jelly: waste CPU/GPU time |
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| 19:01.47 | tarzeau | jelly: really, my turkish isn't that advanced but try. "kicim yaniyor" |
| 19:01.52 | zinx | jelly: and use a substandard window manager while doing so. |
| 19:02.10 | fasta | zinx: yeah, you said so. When they don't solve that, it's pretty pointless to use. |
| 19:02.13 | jelly | tarzeau: will it get me banned? If not, I'm not going to even try. ;-) |
| 19:02.33 | tarzeau | jelly: ban you from where? i doubt, you'll get a few haha maybe |
| 19:02.34 | h3sp4wn | medc: find out what chipset you are using |
| 19:02.39 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Hm, your nick is French, you're in .ch (French part, presumably), but you speak Turkish? |
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| 19:02.52 | h3sp4wn | medc: if it doesn't support accesspoint mode you cannot do it |
| 19:02.56 | tarzeau | JordiGH: yes, yes, no, yes |
| 19:03.10 | JordiGH | All this migration is making it hard to keep track of where y'all are from. |
| 19:03.23 | medc | h3sp4wn, Atheros Communications Inc, AR5523 |
| 19:03.24 | jelly | tarzeau: ok, here goes nothing... |
| 19:03.27 | Ronin | tarzeau: i think jelly is afraid youre pullingthe old trick of teaching the exchang student an insult but telling it meanhello |
| 19:03.34 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i like the french language, i wanted a uniq nick. and turkish i learnt on holidays (since that's where my parents were from) |
| 19:03.51 | tarzeau | Ronin: no, it's nothing bad |
| 19:04.01 | tarzeau | jelly: it means "my ass is burning" |
| 19:04.04 | jelly | Ronin, tarzeau: not really afraid, I was expecting it ;-) |
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| 19:04.11 | Ronin | heh |
| 19:04.12 | blondie | languages with gender for nouns are silly. |
| 19:04.30 | Gwern | so, uh... (please don't kill for asking).. what's the good word on getting Firefox 2 in Debian? I don't see anything mentioned in the topic, or the FAQ |
| 19:04.42 | JordiGH | !iceweasel |
| 19:04.42 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 19:04.46 | tarzeau | Gwern: number 123465 |
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| 19:05.07 | jelly | blondie: no they're not. A boat should be female if possible. |
| 19:05.08 | tarzeau | really it's not much better, even if the version number suggests so |
| 19:05.30 | Gwern | ah. alright then, how long before the iceweasel fork of FF 2 shows up in sid? |
| 19:05.35 | blondie | jelly: that's sexist |
| 19:05.44 | Gwern | tarzeau: I think I'd like to judge the quality difference on me own |
| 19:05.49 | fasta | Gwern: probably when it's "done" |
| 19:05.49 | jelly | blondie: as in "She cannae take much more of this, capn!" |
| 19:05.51 | dondelelcaro | Gwern: it's already in experimental. |
| 19:05.51 | JordiGH | !wir |
| 19:05.52 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 19:05.54 | tarzeau | Gwern: then install it on your own? |
| 19:05.57 | tarzeau | Gwern: if you can't wait |
| 19:06.00 | tarzeau | Gwern: i did so |
| 19:06.00 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, the betas are) |
| 19:06.06 | craigevil | 2.0 actually made the interface/options even dumber |
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| 19:06.12 | tarzeau | craigevil: full ack |
| 19:06.16 | nethenson | dpkg: It is wiki/IceWeasel, not wiki/Iceweasel |
| 19:06.16 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, nethenson |
| 19:06.18 | Gwern | tarzeau: man, if I wanted to install programs outside of the package management framework, I'd be using LFS, not debian |
| 19:06.23 | tarzeau | craigevil: main problem being: they changed it. AGAIN |
| 19:06.24 | craigevil | looks like the Moz devs are trying more and more to make it look like IE |
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| 19:06.33 | blondie | jelly: if I had a boat it would be male. |
| 19:06.33 | tarzeau | Gwern: man you can do your OWN PACKAGES |
| 19:06.46 | tarzeau | Gwern: or you can pay someone to do it for you immediately |
| 19:06.46 | Ronin | craigevil: look is fine as long as it doesnt behave like it |
| 19:06.50 | tarzeau | Gwern: debian is no such service |
| 19:06.53 | tarzeau | Gwern: it never was |
| 19:06.58 | tarzeau | Gwern: or use experimental |
| 19:07.04 | craigevil | they took the 3rd party cookie block out |
| 19:07.07 | tarzeau | Gwern: you keep asking for it |
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| 19:07.24 | tarzeau | Gwern: it's not there. no need to ask in the first place at all |
| 19:07.31 | craigevil | if you really have to have 2.0 just download it from mozilla |
| 19:07.36 | JordiGH | Someone show me how to use a regexp to fix one of dpkg's (the blootbot) factoids. |
| 19:07.37 | tarzeau | #debian is not a packages.debian.org replacement |
| 19:07.51 | Gwern | fair enough. that answers that. |
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| 19:08.13 | Ronin | humm so they did |
| 19:08.18 | jelly | !bts refcard |
| 19:08.20 | cydork | damn he left! i just saw that :P |
| 19:10.04 | jelly | JordiGH: maybe you're looking for /msg dpkg foo =~ s/out with the old/in with the new/ ... I think they're substring, not regexps though. |
| 19:10.24 | Ronin | craigevil: apparenlty theres an extention now we have to run for that? |
| 19:10.41 | r0bert | anyone who's got a cnet cwc 854 wlan card ? think its ral 2500 chipset ? |
| 19:10.42 | craigevil | lol yeah i had to install cookiesafe to block 3rd party cookies |
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| 19:11.24 | JordiGH | dpkg iceweasel =~ s/Iceweasel/IceWeasel |
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| 19:11.51 | jelly | But... but... Firefox isn't FireFox, so why is IceWeasel IceWeasel? |
| 19:12.18 | JordiGH | Ice weasels are really two words. |
| 19:12.27 | JordiGH | They're not an animal at all, but a kind of icicle, I think. |
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| 19:12.39 | tralala | It's actually 1c3w43zl |
| 19:12.44 | JordiGH | So we need CamelCaps for putting two words together as once. |
| 19:12.50 | jelly | waesl? |
| 19:13.03 | medc | guys any help for wth0 sharing trough wifif? |
| 19:13.12 | tralala | w33zl |
| 19:13.21 | jelly | !pie |
| 19:13.22 | dpkg | pie is probably NOT a mathematical term. It's a food. or about 8.539734222677. |
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| 19:13.55 | techno | How can I have the wifi on my laptop ? |
| 19:14.00 | Stevie[FP] | 'the' wifi? |
| 19:14.11 | Stevie[FP] | If you have 'the' wifi, then nobody else can use it! |
| 19:14.14 | techno | Stevie[FP], yes wireless internet connection |
| 19:14.31 | techno | Stevie[FP], don't play with the words youperfectly understand what I want |
| 19:14.40 | tralala | techno, /msg dpkg laptops |
| 19:14.43 | Kinks | or do we? |
| 19:14.44 | JordiGH | Hm? Plouffe's Inverter doesn't know what to do with 8.539734222677 |
| 19:15.01 | medc | guys any help for eth0 sharing trough wifif? |
| 19:15.21 | techno | tralala, the wifi how can I receive it |
| 19:15.23 | Ronin | !tell medc about ask |
| 19:15.35 | De_Mon | techno just correct yourself and move on, no need to start a fight |
| 19:15.37 | JordiGH | jelly: In case you want to believe e2: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=610113 |
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| 19:15.48 | medc | Ronin, sorry i am just desesperate |
| 19:16.00 | tralala | techno, I don't know what you mean |
| 19:16.02 | techno | How can I have the internet with wifi on my laptop please ? How can I install it |
| 19:16.43 | lancel00t | i have firehol installed on my computer but it has restricted _all_ traffic and i have followed the guides? anyone have some experience with firehol |
| 19:16.46 | simonrvn | has s/he been told about ask? |
| 19:17.14 | tralala | you install your wifi card driver and wireless-tools, read the wireless-tools, configure interfaces and you're good to go |
| 19:17.15 | simonrvn | !rell techno -about ask |
| 19:17.18 | simonrvn | !tell techno -about ask |
| 19:17.32 | tralala | !yell techno about ask :) |
| 19:17.37 | jelly | !terr me about engrish |
| 19:17.40 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 19:17.44 | techno | STOP FLOOD ME |
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| 19:17.56 | Ronin | no need to yell |
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| 19:18.31 | jelly | It should really be STOP FLOODING ME :-> |
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| 19:18.46 | SerajewelKS | holy shit, abiword is fast |
| 19:18.46 | techno | osef |
| 19:19.24 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: How is its grammar check? |
| 19:19.24 | chrisben | Hello, Is there a way (with dkpg I asume) tht I could print the current installed version of every package on the system? (to diff against another box) |
| 19:19.30 | pelzi_ | computer grammar checkers suck anyway |
| 19:19.31 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 19:19.31 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 19:19.40 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: i don't think it has one |
| 19:19.50 | chrisben | dondelelcaro: Thank you |
| 19:19.56 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: It does! It was a big selling point a couple of months ago in Slashdot. |
| 19:20.08 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: but the only thing that grammar checkers flag in my writing are always false positives anyway. |
| 19:20.11 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: hmm... |
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| 19:20.20 | JordiGH | pelzi_: They do, but for catching certain typos they are useful. |
| 19:20.25 | SerajewelKS | haha... things* |
| 19:20.30 | techno | tralala, where can have the wifi drivers |
| 19:20.36 | SerajewelKS | that was ironical |
| 19:21.01 | JordiGH | Or ironic. |
| 19:21.04 | pelzi_ | a spell checker is good enough for typos. |
| 19:21.08 | dondelelcaro | chrisben: that just gives you package names; but by printing $2 ' ' $3; you can get them all |
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| 19:21.21 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: yes... that one was on purpose =) |
| 19:21.31 | JordiGH | pelzi_: Not for some typos, e.g. gender agreement with some adjectives in Spanish. |
| 19:21.48 | pelzi_ | don't know about spanish |
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| 19:22.18 | JordiGH | pelzi_: Or for subject-verb agreement in English. Say you forget or add an s to your verbs by accident. Typo that the spellchecker misses but the grammar checker doesn't. |
| 19:22.20 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: i think it's a plugin |
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| 19:22.29 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: I think you're right. |
| 19:22.35 | pelzi_ | well, my eyes do notice. |
| 19:22.40 | jelly | simonrvn: something involvling plugins and body parts? |
| 19:22.41 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: but i can't find it in debian |
| 19:23.09 | simonrvn | jelly: something involving body parts and various computer components getting shoved in them |
| 19:23.14 | JordiGH | pelzi_: For long documents, anyone's eyes could overlook an extra s. ;-) |
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| 19:23.40 | pelzi_ | I ask someone else, then |
| 19:23.49 | rvsjoen | I'm trying to get bootsplash working on debian testing, i've patched and compiled the kernel, installed the bootsplash and sysv-rc-bootsplash packages, and the howto states that during installation of "bootsplash" it should prompt me which initrd image to use, and create initrd.splash if I choose "none". However it never asks me which image to use... |
| 19:23.50 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: from the abiword-common readme: link-grammer - because of license problem |
| 19:24.05 | simonrvn | aaaeeee |
| 19:24.06 | JordiGH | Oy. License problem? Is it non-free? :-( |
| 19:24.06 | dasunt_ | Hello -- A have an entire arm in a cast and am trying to turn on sticky keys under X. |
| 19:24.16 | simonrvn | 'link-grammer' |
| 19:24.17 | JordiGH | !splashy |
| 19:24.17 | dpkg | [splashy] a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 19:24.21 | dasunt_ | Er, I have. |
| 19:24.28 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: no clue |
| 19:25.25 | rvsjoen | hm |
| 19:25.49 | rvsjoen | does splashy have any advantages over bootsplash ? |
| 19:25.55 | SerajewelKS | it's too bad abiword doesn't do opendocument |
| 19:25.59 | JordiGH | rvsjoen: Splashy has worked for me. I do get to see some kernel messages before the bootsplash, but it Just Worke (tm). |
| 19:26.07 | JordiGH | Worked. |
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| 19:26.23 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: It does do OpenDocument! At least according to Wikipedia. |
| 19:26.32 | h3sp4wn | rvsjoen: no kernel patches needed for splashy |
| 19:26.34 | rvsjoen | it looks alot 'easier' to install then the bootsplash i'm trying to install :) |
| 19:26.39 | simonrvn | i've opened oo docs in abiword IIIRC |
| 19:26.47 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: yes, but i don't see that file type listed in the save dialog |
| 19:26.50 | techno | how can I check if my kernel has the CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y option ? |
| 19:26.53 | rvsjoen | i'll give it a shot, thanks |
| 19:27.06 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Export. |
| 19:27.22 | tarzeau | doesn't look very near? http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 19:27.26 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: there is no "export" that i can find |
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| 19:28.30 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: and opening an .odt file makes it hang |
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| 19:28.38 | JordiGH | Hmmm.... |
| 19:28.40 | techno | how can I check if my kernel has the CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y option ? |
| 19:28.48 | JordiGH | It's supposed to work. Which version did you get? |
| 19:28.56 | jetx | how does one determine the refresh rate for a tv that's hooked up to your computer? |
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| 19:29.01 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: 2.4.5 |
| 19:29.21 | alextremes | you are a stupeds |
| 19:29.30 | jetx | techno: grep CONFIG_NET_RADIO /boot/config-`uname -r` or so |
| 19:29.48 | tarzeau | odla... |
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| 19:29.52 | SerajewelKS | alextremes: do you have a debian-related question? |
| 19:29.53 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Lemme see.. I'm on Knoppix right now, but I'm going to apt-get it. I'm surprised you're telling me these things don't work. :-/ |
| 19:30.06 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: well they don't =/ |
| 19:30.11 | alextremes | yeah |
| 19:30.11 | SerajewelKS | which does suck, a lot |
| 19:30.12 | jetx | no he's a troll trying to make us think he's alexextreme |
| 19:30.26 | alextremes | where i cant download it? |
| 19:30.34 | brainless | hello all : I have an apt-get question : with a certain installation apt-get wants to download a lot of packages. is there a way that i can simply get the urls of the packages apt wants to download. this is because i have better net on seperate place and would like to use that for the downloads and then give the packages to apt |
| 19:30.46 | tarzeau | if someone wants to try it: http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/lonewarrior/lonewarrior-0.1.tar.gz |
| 19:30.49 | techno | jetx, I have not the config-1.6.18 file |
| 19:30.50 | jetx | apt-get -d |
| 19:30.57 | simonrvn | alextremes: "can't" or "can" |
| 19:31.06 | simonrvn | ? |
| 19:31.09 | alextremes | i cant |
| 19:31.09 | jetx | techno: it's in /boot whatever kernel you're running, the config is in /boot |
| 19:31.17 | jetx | grep it |
| 19:31.35 | alextremes | i want download it |
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| 19:31.46 | techno | jetx, in boot there is grub initrd.img-2.6.18-1-686.bak that is all |
| 19:32.01 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: i was hoping to be able to use a consistent document format =/ |
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| 19:32.16 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: OpenDocument is supposed to be just that. :-( |
| 19:32.24 | jetx | techno: then your computer isn't running... |
| 19:32.27 | jetx | :o |
| 19:32.30 | alextremes | i want download debian linux |
| 19:32.37 | techno | jetx, it is ôÔ |
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| 19:32.56 | alextremes | who can help me |
| 19:32.58 | alextremes | ?? |
| 19:33.07 | jetx | techno: ls -lA /vmlinuz then... the config should be around where the symlink points |
| 19:33.16 | simonrvn | CD.debian.org |
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| 19:33.26 | alextremes | ooooh |
| 19:33.32 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: so it is, but if abiword won't use it then it's not much of a solution |
| 19:33.38 | techno | jetx, vmlinux don't exist |
| 19:33.41 | alextremes | that size have it? |
| 19:33.47 | alextremes | what** |
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| 19:34.02 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: I guess you need to edit Wikipedia, then. :-/ |
| 19:34.17 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: well it might be a debian thing too |
| 19:34.39 | jetx | linuz |
| 19:34.41 | ma3x | why does my system stall at the boot line for 1 min? |
| 19:34.42 | jetx | vmlinuz |
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| 19:34.54 | techno | jetx, vmlinuz too |
| 19:34.57 | jetx | ma3x: sounds like lilo and the prompt setting |
| 19:35.04 | jetx | techno: where is your kernel? |
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| 19:35.07 | ma3x | jetx: no |
| 19:35.12 | techno | jetx, dont know |
| 19:35.23 | jetx | techno: it 'should' be in /boot |
| 19:35.31 | techno | jetx, no ^^ |
| 19:35.49 | jetx | techno: well it 'should' be |
| 19:36.00 | douglas | 0n an amd 2400 (2ghz i think), transcoding a 496x288 24fps xvid avi into an ntsc svcd-grade mpeg using ffmpeg seems to be humming at 6 frames/sec.. Seems a tad slow. Am I doing something wrong here? |
| 19:36.02 | IsoLnCHiP | Hi, can anyone tell me how I can set the default mailbox for undeliverable mail in exim4. I vaguely remember dpkg-reconfigure asking me, but rerunning it doesnt ask again. |
| 19:36.03 | alextremes | thank simonrvn |
| 19:36.06 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 19:36.54 | jetx | douglas: with good enough quality settings, yes 6 is about right... i usually get 13fps on my 2400 with hq settings, but not too hq |
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| 19:37.09 | jetx | douglas: but it all depends |
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| 19:37.37 | simonrvn | fuck, if i had a billion dollars i'd give some to debina/spi so debian can have some PHAT PIPES |
| 19:37.41 | douglas | jetx: i started by using vlc, streaming into a file, and it went at exactly 1x. Sounds like it wasn't really doing the job, right? |
| 19:37.46 | jetx | IsoLnCHiP: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-conf i 'think' |
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| 19:37.54 | simonrvn | debian* |
| 19:37.56 | douglas | or maybe dumping into the "raw" output |
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| 19:38.04 | jetx | douglas: i just use mplayer/mencoder, not sure about yours |
| 19:38.04 | IsoLnCHiP | I think the question was something like, where should mail addressed to root, postmaster be sent to. |
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| 19:38.21 | simonrvn | IsoLnCHiP: your user usually |
| 19:38.41 | jetx | it might just be exim4-config |
| 19:38.46 | IsoLnCHiP | jetx, thanks, allready tryed dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, however it didnt ask me |
| 19:39.02 | simonrvn | try -plow |
| 19:39.09 | simonrvn | dpkg-r.... -plow |
| 19:39.18 | douglas | jetx: well i'm trying to turn this sucker into an svcd.. my next step is to take the new mpeg and turn it into a bin/cue image with vcdimager and finally burn that using k3b. Sound about right? |
| 19:39.25 | IsoLnCHiP | simonrvn, ok, trying that thanks |
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| 19:40.36 | jetx | douglas: ... sounds messy... the bin/cue step is superflous |
| 19:40.51 | evertcollab | We have just bought 2 dual xeon boxes and I'm unable to detect the Intel ESB2 SATA 3.0Gbps and Intel (ESB2/Gilgal) 82563EB Dual-Port NIC.. any pointers to where to look for ?? Without SATA drivers I can't even get through the installation |
| 19:40.58 | jetx | douglas: k3b can take your file and encode it and burn it btw |
| 19:41.02 | pelzi_ | get a new kernel |
| 19:41.03 | IsoLnCHiP | simonrvn, nope, no change, same questions. And no it is not beeing delivered to my user ust sitting around in /var/mail/mail |
| 19:41.20 | jetx | locate config |grep exim |
| 19:41.24 | douglas | jetx: can k3b do that with the xvid avi, or does it need this mpeg? |
| 19:41.27 | jetx | !exim4 |
| 19:41.27 | dpkg | hmm... exim4 is the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 19:41.44 | dererk[w] | jetx, are you still there? |
| 19:41.49 | jetx | douglas: i forget.. i just use mencoder and dvdauthor |
| 19:41.52 | jetx | hey derek |
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| 19:42.39 | dererk[w] | jetx, do you know exactly in which part should I look for the reasons for a package to be taken out of testing and move back to sid ? |
| 19:42.45 | daedalus_ | evertcollab: unless someone else has a better idea, you may have to roll your own kernel for the installer to use. I had to do that several years back for a new RAID card I had just purchased. You will find some info on the net, but I couldn't tell you where to start. |
| 19:42.56 | dererk[w] | I'm on BT but I'm a bit dizzy |
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| 19:43.01 | jetx | !why is blah not in etch |
| 19:43.02 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, jetx |
| 19:43.06 | evertcollab | ok thanks I was affraid for that |
| 19:43.07 | evertcollab | but |
| 19:43.23 | evertcollab | I don't know where to look for the SATA drivers at all.. |
| 19:43.25 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: abiword-plugins appears to provide opendocument support |
| 19:43.28 | jetx | !why is blah not in testing |
| 19:43.28 | dpkg | blah is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=blah |
| 19:43.46 | daedalus_ | evertcollab: Does the kernel not claim to support them yet? |
| 19:43.50 | jetx | that's all i know dererk[w] |
| 19:44.25 | evertcollab | Googling for ESB2 on Groups or the net brings up barely anything |
| 19:44.26 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Woohoo! Is it recommended? If it is, then you should be using aptitude. ;-) |
| 19:44.26 | dererk[w] | jetx, :D thanks |
| 19:44.35 | evertcollab | these boxes are supposed to be raelly new |
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| 19:44.54 | jetx | how does one determine the refresh rate for a tv that's hooked up to your computer? |
| 19:45.06 | jetx | hwinfo no joy |
| 19:45.15 | liran1 | yay |
| 19:45.31 | liran1 | "LPI and Canonical Announce World's First Ubuntu Professionals" - I know this is ubuntu, but thats a progress still toward debian |
| 19:45.31 | JordiGH | Ooh, will HP sell me a computer with Debian installed on it? I recently tried Dell, and they gave me a "huh?" |
| 19:45.45 | jetx | not afaik JordiGH |
| 19:45.53 | jetx | hp will know what you mean though |
| 19:45.55 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: it's uninstallible for me. i'm using some packages from experimental. |
| 19:46.04 | daedalus_ | evertcollab: google for ESB2 Intel SATA linux kernel |
| 19:46.18 | douglas | JordiGH: even if they did, i doubt they would hook you up with sid (or scud for that matter), so what's the point? :P |
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| 19:46.21 | daedalus_ | evertcollab: Looks like support was put in around 2.6.12 or so. |
| 19:46.26 | jetx | scud? |
| 19:46.30 | douglas | experimental |
| 19:46.32 | jetx | ah |
| 19:46.34 | JordiGH | douglas: I just want them to get the hardware working with free drivers. |
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| 19:46.47 | douglas | JordiGH: reaching for the stars, are we |
| 19:46.56 | jetx | Linspire |
| 19:46.59 | jetx | :o |
| 19:47.03 | JordiGH | douglas: Some day I'll have the money to pay for that kind of machine... |
| 19:47.08 | douglas | sacrelig! |
| 19:47.19 | JordiGH | douglas: If the free drivers don't exist, I'll pay for them to write them. :P |
| 19:47.23 | pelzi_ | TVs have a fixed scan rate... |
| 19:47.35 | pelzi_ | you don't specify one |
| 19:47.43 | jhujhiti_ | I'm having some trouble with a synaptics touchpad. when i tap the pad the first time, it seems to stick, and then acts "inverted" like the tap *releases* a click instead of clicking. does anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:47.44 | evertcollab | daedalus_: thanks! |
| 19:47.54 | jetx | xorg.conf(nvidia) seems to want one though |
| 19:48.02 | evertcollab | daedalus_: gonna see if i can compile that |
| 19:48.05 | douglas | i'll ndiswrapper you anything for 72 cents a driver, jordi |
| 19:48.14 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: though i don't suppose i *really* need them |
| 19:48.27 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: but they have a far prettier version of clearlooks =( |
| 19:48.59 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: What's the dependency of abiword-plugins? I'm still getting the package lists. :-/ |
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| 19:49.47 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: nothing big, but there's no way to get libgtk2 and libwmf if libgtk2 came from experimental |
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| 19:50.49 | JordiGH | Hm. abiword from etch seems uninstallable on this 4.0 Knoppix. Serves me right. |
| 19:51.04 | cureless | JordiGH: you're using Knoppix? |
| 19:51.27 | douglas | ugh.. |
| 19:51.32 | JordiGH | cureless: Yes, but I'm not asking you to help me with it! |
| 19:52.14 | cureless | JordiGH: but why Knoppix? Knoppix is so 2003. |
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| 19:53.01 | douglas | speaking of live cds, anybody mess with Auditor security collection? |
| 19:53.06 | JordiGH | cureless: Well, I just haven't gotten around to downloading anything newer. This one is from 2005. I tried Kanotix, but I didn't like it. I think I should try Quantian. |
| 19:53.12 | douglas | ... available at http://www.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Auditor_main |
| 19:53.37 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: hmm, the latest in etch does have the newer clearlooks =) |
| 19:53.46 | IsoLnCHiP | Does anyone recall that question in exim-config about delivery to root and postmaster, or am I just imagining it? I think I must have answer wrong and all my mail sent by daemons is just sitting in /var/mail/mail |
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| 19:54.13 | asg | IsoLnCHiP: edit /etc/aliases and point root's mail to some other user |
| 19:54.20 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: weird, abiword-plugins seems to do the grammar thing too |
| 19:54.24 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: What's a clearlook? |
| 19:54.30 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: w00t! |
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| 19:54.44 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: And ODF? |
| 19:55.27 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: yup |
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| 19:55.40 | IsoLnCHiP | asg, will that then also deliver the old mail there? |
| 19:55.41 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: clearlooks is a GTK+ theme/engine |
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| 19:55.58 | asg | IsoLnCHiP: no |
| 19:56.02 | com4 | how do i compile a custom debian kernel and let it mount my sata hard drive? i keep getting the error unable to mount root /dev/sda1 |
| 19:56.11 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Maybe I'll ditch OO.o, then. I only use it to interface with the Windows world anyways. |
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| 19:56.52 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: abiword has good .doc support too |
| 19:56.53 | asg | IsoLnCHiP: if you are ever in doubt about where mail will end up, run 'exim4 -bt <user>[@<domain]' |
| 19:57.02 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: and is noticably faster |
| 19:57.15 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: i think it starts faster than word, let alone OOo |
| 19:57.17 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: What about those damnable .ppt files? |
| 19:57.44 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: no clue, i doubt abiword will open any kind of presentation file =) |
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| 19:58.01 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Yes, but I mean, what will instead of OO.o? |
| 19:58.12 | IsoLnCHiP | asg, ahh, excellent, that sounds helpfull. Is /etc/aliases only used by exim? |
| 19:58.24 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: no clue |
| 19:58.35 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: but hey i have class, so i'll catch you later |
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| 19:58.43 | asg | IsoLnCHiP: no, it's a standard sendmailism |
| 19:58.58 | asg | IsoLnCHiP: most MTAs adopt it though, exim included |
| 19:59.27 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: I'm taking notes, because my girlfriend was a Spanish grammar/spell checker. She's learning the language. And she wants some Spanish touch-typing software. Like a baby with a hammer, I said "Debian!" and she agreed, but now I gotta make sure I can find what she wants. |
| 19:59.35 | JordiGH | s/was/wants |
| 20:00.17 | IsoLnCHiP | asg, I see, that explains, why dpkg doesnt report it to belong to any package. Would you also have an idea how I can redeliver the mail that is stuck in /var/mail/mail? |
| 20:00.55 | asg | IsoLnCHiP: if you have mutt installed, just open the mbox file, tag all files and 'b'ounce them to the new user. |
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| 20:01.11 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Out of curiousity, can you check which languages the grammar checker can do? |
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| 20:01.42 | IsoLnCHiP | asg, Thanks. Sounds good :) |
| 20:01.50 | asg | IsoLnCHiP: you're welcome |
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| 20:03.13 | JuNiOx | the files /etc/hosts.allow and hosts.deny are read only when the service is started by inetd? |
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| 20:04.02 | asg | JuNiOx: no, they are read if the program has been compiled with tcpwrappers support |
| 20:05.21 | JuNiOx | humm tks |
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| 20:06.51 | asg | JuNiOx: ldd /path/to/binary | grep libwrap (that'll tell you if something is, or is not, compiled with tcpwrappers support) |
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| 20:07.05 | evan__ | exit |
| 20:07.07 | reilithion | So, how well does gcc compile Java programs? Can I write some GUI code and expect gcc to be able to produce a working binary? |
| 20:07.12 | asg | evan__: /quit |
| 20:07.19 | Seb | what is this /dev/.static/dev thing ? WHen it';s mounted I can't access my webcam, if I unmount it it's fine. WHat is this thing ? |
| 20:07.31 | asg | !udev |
| 20:07.32 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
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| 20:08.09 | cicere | !ubuntu |
| 20:08.10 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ or /join #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
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| 20:08.32 | JuNiOx | asg, thanks buddy |
| 20:08.39 | asg | JuNiOx: you're welcome |
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| 20:10.00 | chrisben | !version |
| 20:10.01 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 20:11.06 | xjkx | man...i cant install or remove softwares anymore, too many errors on apt-get, ran dpkg configure but didnt fix |
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| 20:14.53 | simonrvn | 10 types?! WTF!!!?? |
| 20:15.07 | asg | O_o |
| 20:15.09 | simonrvn | there's always more than 11 even |
| 20:15.10 | tox | xjkx: check [man] sources.list |
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| 20:15.43 | xjkx | i checked my sourcelist, isnt the problem, i think, http://pastebin.ca/221653 |
| 20:15.45 | simonrvn | sometimes even 100 or 101 |
| 20:15.51 | xjkx | please =o |
| 20:16.13 | tox | reilithion: gcc doesn't compile java, I believe gcj does however |
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| 20:16.17 | evertcollab | exit |
| 20:16.32 | xjkx | cant install anything, just because yesterday i aborted a installation of a software control+C, but i ran dpkg reconfigure, should have fixed, check my pastebin up there |
| 20:16.38 | tox | reilithion: (believe == if you're lucky) |
| 20:16.50 | reilithion | lol |
| 20:17.01 | xjkx | sometimes apt-get gets crazy |
| 20:17.02 | tox | xjkx: have you tried apt-get -f install ? |
| 20:17.19 | xjkx | tox yes, same problem, like if it doesnt see my '-f' |
| 20:17.25 | xjkx | tried to dpkg -r also |
| 20:17.32 | tox | can't/won't check pastebin, haven't bothered to install X |
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| 20:17.45 | xjkx | doesnt links/lynx work? |
| 20:17.56 | tox | xjkx: which package does it fail on? |
| 20:18.01 | xjkx | all |
| 20:18.03 | xjkx | lol |
| 20:18.10 | xjkx | it has more than 5 examples in pastebin |
| 20:18.20 | xjkx | want me to paste here the error message?its the same in all |
| 20:18.28 | tox | i meant, which is the core exception :> |
| 20:18.32 | mike | has anyone had problems with getting an onboard via sound card to work in stable?! i can't seem to send it any commands using alsamixer (it doesn't find it), or via the bootup alsa script. |
| 20:18.37 | tox | (usually on the bottom) |
| 20:18.44 | xjkx | dont know whats core expetion, gonna paste here |
| 20:18.44 | tox | (before Exit code XX) |
| 20:19.18 | tox | paste in a privmsg with a delay.. my client will ignore you if you paste too quickly |
| 20:19.56 | xjkx | oh, sorry |
| 20:19.59 | xjkx | didnt read fast enough |
| 20:20.12 | tox | that was too quick, you're ignored for 10 minutes; but do try apt-get update && apt-get -f install |
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| 20:20.24 | xjkx | did it |
| 20:20.30 | xjkx | try to unignore me |
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| 20:20.45 | xjkx | i paste wth delay now |
| 20:20.53 | tox | don't remember how and frankly i can't be bothered finding out how |
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| 20:23.15 | xjkx | tox, it says 'depends on package X but wont be installed" what does it means? |
| 20:23.41 | xjkx | x is an example |
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| 20:25.38 | kb3ien | debian is not recognising the bottom IP (typicaly a .0) as a unicast address, is there a sysctl ? |
| 20:27.13 | iamtheric | it says library not found when I execute this program, but i put it in the /usr/local/lib and then ran ldconfig |
| 20:27.19 | iamtheric | im confused |
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| 20:27.51 | xjkx | xchat: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkspell.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:27.55 | xjkx | me tho |
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| 20:28.18 | chrisben | as my system boots up, some processes (such as squid and sysklogd don't create their PID files. any idea on where to look for fixing it? if I killall sysklogd, then start it manual, the pid file gets created ... |
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| 20:31.09 | Stevie[FP] | WTF |
| 20:31.37 | kb3ien | anyone else experiencing this unicast problem? |
| 20:31.47 | iamtheric | what? |
| 20:32.03 | epsilon | yea |
| 20:32.08 | kb3ien | debian is not recognising the bottom IP (typicaly a .0) as a unicast address, is there a sysctl ? |
| 20:32.12 | iamtheric | wah "error while opening shared libraries: NL.so.1.6: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory" |
| 20:32.18 | Stevie[FP] | .0 is not a unicast address |
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| 20:32.24 | hid3 | Evening everyone. What parameters should I pass for `ls` so it will list directories and files, but won't display symbolic links? |
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| 20:32.27 | Stevie[FP] | the network address is also the BSD broadcast address |
| 20:32.35 | kb3ien | says debian, but thats where my router is. |
| 20:32.39 | teun | .0 can be a unicast address, depending on the netmask |
| 20:32.47 | kb3ien | every other systems works fine. |
| 20:32.56 | kb3ien | its 192.168.102.0/24 |
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| 20:33.10 | Stevie[FP] | and your router is at 192.168.102.0? |
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| 20:33.18 | kb3ien | but i did have to add sysctls to solaris. |
| 20:33.20 | Stevie[FP] | you're not allowed to do that |
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| 20:33.35 | Stevie[FP] | why the hell would you do that anywya |
| 20:33.56 | kb3ien | why the hell not use .0 is as good a question. |
| 20:34.14 | Stevie[FP] | because .0 is the network address, which is also the BSD broadcast address |
| 20:34.35 | Stevie[FP] | and thus you are not supposed to use it for a host |
| 20:34.52 | kb3ien | i dont use broadcast. as use unicast and anycast, on /rare/ occasions. |
| 20:34.59 | Stevie[FP] | That doesn't matter |
| 20:35.01 | kb3ien | s/as/I/ |
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| 20:35.38 | Stevie[FP] | Also, how do you know you don't use broadcast? |
| 20:35.51 | Stevie[FP] | You don't use DHCP *at all*? |
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| 20:38.24 | HolyGoat | Kernel tweaking newbie question.. I'm trying to get my kernel to see only my audiophile 2496 card (snd-ice1712), and not my motherboard sound system (snd-via82xx). I'm trying to remove the snd-via82xx module from my kernel with modconf, but when I try to remove it, modconf says that it can't, because it is in use. When I try to use rmmod to remove it, it also says it is in use. How do I force an unload of that module? |
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| 20:38.41 | ndee | how can I set the locale to de_DE? |
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| 20:38.56 | Stevie[FP] | export LANG=de_DE.utf-8 |
| 20:39.07 | Stevie[FP] | somewhere, someplace. I think /etc/profile is a good choice |
| 20:39.09 | Mr-R | HolyGoat: why dont you deactivate the onboard sound in the bios of your computer? |
| 20:39.24 | sephknows | hello |
| 20:39.45 | sephknows | i was in here earlier, but my text could not be sent to the channel. can anyone see it now? i am using Gaim and it isnt telling me otherwise... |
| 20:39.59 | pumpkin0 | sephknows: yes, works. |
| 20:39.59 | Stevie[FP] | I can see you. |
| 20:40.11 | HolyGoat | Mr-R: That is a very good question. :) I'm going to try that right now. Thanks. |
| 20:40.24 | sephknows | excellent, thanks. okay i have several questions now. ive switched from Gentoo to Debian, and i enjoy the ease of use (thinks WORK in this!) |
| 20:40.57 | ndee | Stevie[FP]: and when is this setting taken over? |
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| 20:41.02 | sephknows | but im not sure firstly how to get to the unstable tree in my Synaptic Package Manager.. it lets me add a location but id have no idea what server would have unstable. ive been using uchicago.org or something |
| 20:41.34 | pumpkin0 | sephknows: if you want things to keep on working: forget unstable. |
| 20:41.52 | sephknows | well i was told that i wont get anything except 100 year old packages |
| 20:41.58 | sephknows | which would epxlain why Skype isnt in here |
| 20:42.06 | Coweater | skype would only be in non-free |
| 20:42.19 | Coweater | if you want a relatively stable system with newer packages use testing |
| 20:42.21 | sephknows | but skype is free... |
| 20:42.31 | Stevie[FP] | free as in beer or free as in freedom? |
| 20:42.38 | sephknows | free as in socks. |
| 20:42.45 | mike | haha, free as in freedom == free as in beer in america!~ |
| 20:42.46 | pumpkin0 | sephknows: i think skype has legal trouble => non-free. (free and free and 2 different things. 1. show me the source code...) |
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| 20:44.19 | sephknows | ive downloaded skype for free in windows (shudder), and ive also found a download page for linux there (skype.com) and the file wont open witrh anything |
| 20:45.18 | sephknows | "skype_debian-1.3.0.53-1_i386.deb" doesnt open with anything i know of... |
| 20:45.20 | sephknows | does it? |
| 20:45.34 | Stevie[FP] | dpkg -i |
| 20:45.46 | Stevie[FP] | dpkg -i debfile.deb |
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| 20:46.36 | HolyGoat | Mr-R: Worked like a charm, thanks for pointing out the obvious :) |
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| 20:46.41 | sephknows | thanks. second question is this: when i had Gentoo and used KDE, or anything for that matter, i could do a Switch User cmd from the main menu. this isnt the case in Debian. |
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| 20:47.00 | Mr-R | HolyGoat: np. deactivated onboard sound a long time ago... :) |
| 20:47.10 | myren | i'm looking for an on screen keyboard display |
| 20:47.16 | myren | to help teach myself dvorak |
| 20:47.36 | myren | anyone have suggestions? i'd like something i can hit a hotkey, it'll pop up, tell me what i forgot, then disappear it |
| 20:47.43 | HolyGoat | Mr-R: It was getting annoying when apparently the sound module that would load seemed to be chosen randomly at startup |
| 20:47.45 | myren | pretty weird requesti know. :/ |
| 20:47.50 | sephknows | well i would answer, but im still waitin for my question to be answered |
| 20:48.05 | HolyGoat | And I wasn't planning on booting n times before I'd get sound :) |
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| 20:48.36 | sephknows | hey i got sound here =D |
| 20:48.38 | vin` | myren: gtkeyboard, gok etc. |
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| 20:48.43 | sephknows | HolyGoat: were you in the Gentoo chan before? |
| 20:48.53 | Mr-R | HolyGoat: yep. |
| 20:48.58 | HolyGoat | sephknows: nope, never used gentoo |
| 20:49.11 | pumpkin0 | sephknows: the switch-the-user thing is something KDE manages. ask the KDE-channel ... |
| 20:49.30 | sephknows | ah! |
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| 20:49.45 | Ono | hi i install lirc and modules with module asistant. i use setserial then modprobe lirc_serial. its ok. But lirc not working :( |
| 20:50.33 | vin` | HolyGoat: modprobe -r will accept multiple modules, you could also blacklist the one you don't want loaded and/or add the one you want loaded to /etc/modules |
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| 20:51.19 | HolyGoat | vin`: Thanks, I'll look into that |
| 20:52.18 | HolyGoat | vin`: Would you happen to know where to find more info about the syntax that /etc/modules accepts? Would it be in a related manpage? |
| 20:52.30 | Digamma | When I went to compile It told me that it could not find x11 |
| 20:53.16 | pumpkin0 | Digamma: when you went to compile what ? |
| 20:53.18 | abrotman | libx11-dev |
| 20:53.37 | vin` | HolyGoat: man modules |
| 20:53.37 | HolyGoat | vin`: thanks a bunch |
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| 20:53.58 | Digamma | When I went to compile jwm (joe's window manager) |
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| 20:54.13 | Malagmyr | Suddenly, after the last reboot (power failure), Courier-POP3 has started replying "-ERR TLS required to log in.". I've been using TLS all the time! I'm testing from two machines, one linux box with thunderbird, and a windows box with outlook express. Both are configured to use TLS and both have accepted the valid certificate. What's going on? |
| 20:54.15 | pumpkin0 | Digamma: abrotman: libx11-dev |
| 20:54.17 | abrotman | why would you do that ? |
| 20:54.21 | abrotman | pumpkin0: i said that! |
| 20:54.39 | vin` | abrotman: echo |
| 20:54.48 | abrotman | nothing to echo! |
| 20:56.03 | Digamma | dsl@box:~$ libx11-dev |
| 20:56.04 | Digamma | bash: libx11-dev: command not found |
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| 20:56.19 | Digamma | you want command as root? |
| 20:56.27 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 20:56.32 | abrotman | Digamma: why are you compiling that ? |
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| 20:57.04 | Digamma | because I want to upgrade to jwm 1.8rc3 but there is no debian package |
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| 20:57.37 | Digamma | I've not run into this prob before |
| 20:57.40 | pumpkin0 | Digamma: "apt-get install libx11-dev" |
| 20:57.48 | abrotman | Digamma: wait .. you're not running Debian are you ? |
| 20:58.03 | Digamma | yes I am |
| 20:58.12 | Digamma | I got a working cd finallt |
| 20:58.14 | Digamma | finally* |
| 20:58.15 | abrotman | oh really .. last week you were running DSL and Knoppix |
| 20:58.37 | Digamma | I know that |
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| 21:00.55 | the_mug | anyone in here successfully running/using nagios under Sarge? |
| 21:01.37 | Digamma | libx11-dev on my sys is broken! |
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| 21:01.51 | Digamma | Along with 3 other x11 packages |
| 21:02.01 | Malagmyr | Suddenly, after the last reboot (power failure), Courier-POP3 has started replying "-ERR TLS required to log in.". I've been using TLS all the time! I'm testing from two machines, one linux box with thunderbird, and a windows box with outlook express. Both are configured to use TLS and both have accepted the valid certificate. What's going on? The server is running a fully updated Debian Stable. |
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| 21:02.37 | vin` | Digamma: what does /etc/issue say? |
| 21:02.37 | tox | when I use initrd, should sd_mod (scsi disk) and mptscsih (MPT Fusion scsi host) be compiled as modules? It boots fine as I put them inside the kernel, but they get listed both by mkinitrd and at boot time as already loaded |
| 21:03.41 | petemc | Malagmyr: sysctl kernel.random.entropy_avail |
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| 21:04.04 | petemc | Malagmyr: check the output of that command |
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| 21:04.07 | pumpkin0 | tox: you can go either way. mkinitrd just tries it´s best to create a bootable initrd and installs a few modules just-to-be-sure ... |
| 21:04.07 | vin` | tox: probably harmless, you could also loose the initrd |
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| 21:05.01 | tox | vin`: when i didnt use --initrd (with exact same boot kernconf) I got a fatal error: ... add init= to kernel |
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| 21:05.55 | Malagmyr | petemc: gives me the number 2674 |
| 21:05.57 | vin` | tox: with grub? |
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| 21:06.08 | petemc | Malagmyr: oh, thats probably ok then |
| 21:06.08 | Malagmyr | petemc: does that mean anything? |
| 21:06.19 | tox | I have compiled SCSI support, SCSI disk, SCSI host controller (MPT Fusion), EXT3, XFS into kernel |
| 21:06.24 | tox | vin`: yeah with grub |
| 21:06.35 | Stevie[FP] | geh |
| 21:06.38 | wintix | is it possible to tell apt-get to get binary-i286 instead of binary-amd64 from an entry in the sources.list? |
| 21:06.41 | Stevie[FP] | what's the easiest way to find an oper |
| 21:06.47 | wintix | *binary-i386 |
| 21:06.57 | Malagmyr | petemc: anything else I could try? this really doesn't seem right. it worked countless reboots before that! haven't touched the machine in over a month. |
| 21:07.16 | tox | vin`: first time i use grub, always used lilo before, but it seems simple enough... Could the init= error be caused by a grub bug? |
| 21:07.36 | tox | (or feature) |
| 21:08.24 | tox | should I maybe disable do_initrd=yes in kernel-img.conf ? |
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| 21:09.21 | petemc | Malagmyr: i dont use courier, sorry |
| 21:09.26 | Tuxico | tox, do you use initrd image or not? |
| 21:09.32 | vin` | tox: if your system will boot without one, sure |
| 21:09.44 | tox | Tuxico: yes eventyaklly I did, it wouldn't boot without initrd |
| 21:09.48 | petemc | Malagmyr: might be worth checking the bts |
| 21:10.29 | Tuxico | tox, so you need one line to specifiy the location of the initrd image in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:10.39 | tox | is there some guide for what implications occur by using initrd? |
| 21:10.52 | tox | Tuxico: I didn't plan on using initrd at all |
| 21:10.54 | Tuxico | tox, if your system wont boot w/o an initrd, it is due to your kernel configuration :) |
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| 21:11.16 | DaFresh | hi all, how can i get the a virtual console output under X ? |
| 21:11.27 | DaFresh | -the |
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| 21:11.36 | VIm_Enforcer | gb all |
| 21:11.43 | tox | Tuxico: the kernelsource.XXX/.config or /etc/kernel*.conf? kernelconfig? |
| 21:12.09 | Tuxico | tox, .config ;) is it a personal configuration? |
| 21:12.13 | vin` | tox: .config and /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:12.26 | petemc | DaFresh: what do you mean virtual? ctl alt f1 should get you to a console |
| 21:12.48 | Tuxico | tox, to put off initrd you need to disable ROM support and initrd in the kernel configuration ;) |
| 21:13.05 | DaFresh | petemc, yes, but i want to get the output of the niniest console |
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| 21:13.18 | Digamma | what is the command for a fore install? |
| 21:13.18 | petemc | niniest? |
| 21:13.30 | Digamma | force** |
| 21:13.38 | DaFresh | petemc, sorry for my english ... the number 9 ... ctrl + atl + 9 |
| 21:14.00 | tox | Tuxico: menu.lst is basically not been tampered with, apart from changing /dev/sdb1 to /dev/sda1 for all occurrences (IBM HS20 Blade bug when installing from USB CDROM). Apart from that I compiled most things as modules except filesystems, scsi device drivers (scsi support and scsi disk) and SCSI Host (MPT Fusion) as inbuilt kernel options |
| 21:14.33 | petemc | DaFresh: i dont know how you would view that from within x |
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| 21:14.38 | DaFresh | petemc, i need to get the output of this console under X, does i need to do a "tail -f /dev/something" ? |
| 21:14.58 | petemc | pass |
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| 21:15.11 | Stevie[FP] | I think I know how you could do that |
| 21:15.21 | Tuxico | tox, and whats the error when you try to boot w/o initrd? |
| 21:15.23 | Stevie[FP] | try 'screen /dev/tty9' |
| 21:15.58 | Stevie[FP] | DaFresh |
| 21:16.17 | Tuxico | tox, like "vfs : unable to mount rootfs on unknown block..."? |
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| 21:16.39 | rpmx | Hi |
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| 21:17.07 | VIm_Enforcer | g2g |
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| 21:17.11 | VIm_Enforcer | goodbye |
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| 21:17.22 | DaFresh | Stevie[FP], hum ... nothing exept a with window ... |
| 21:17.27 | Stevie[FP] | a with window? |
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| 21:17.36 | rpmx | I have a folder where storage all email, I wanna restore mail the one user, Howto I can restore it ? |
| 21:17.43 | vin` | tox: what modules are currently loaded? |
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| 21:18.05 | tox | make-kpkg ... --initrd kernel_image then reported "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed\ FATAL: Module mptspi not found. \ FATAL: Module sd_mod not found." (Probably because I compiled them into the kernel!) But it does work. However I dislike such errors, and would rather like to do everything the proper way |
| 21:18.08 | petemc | rpmx: restore it from what? |
| 21:18.14 | DaFresh | Stevie[FP], white sry |
| 21:18.26 | dracflamloc | hey there. is it possible/simple to install debian to a usb flash drive and boot from it? |
| 21:18.40 | vin` | tox: what if you don't specify --initrd? |
| 21:18.54 | Stevie[FP] | DaFresh: Is anything happening on ctrl-alt-9 ? |
| 21:19.00 | rpmx | I have /home/alluser/Maildir -- restore ---> /home/miuser/Maildir |
| 21:19.03 | Stevie[FP] | dracflamloc: Yes. |
| 21:19.09 | Stevie[FP] | At least, it's possible |
| 21:19.17 | dracflamloc | is there a guide you know of? |
| 21:19.17 | Stevie[FP] | It's even pretty simple if you don't need anything fancy |
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| 21:20.08 | dracflamloc | nah nothing fancy, just a mobile debian |
| 21:20.16 | tox | lsmod returns ipv6, capability, commoncap, tsdev, mousedev, joydev, evdev, pcspkr, shpchp, pciehp pci_hotplug, psmouse, genrtc, sr_mod, ide_cd, cdrom, ide_disk, ide_generic, atiixp, generic, serverworks, via82cxxx, piix, usbhid, usbkbd, thermal, processor, fan, font, sg, usb_storage, ide_cire, unix |
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| 21:20.25 | petemc | rpmx: do you have imap access? |
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| 21:20.44 | rpmx | yes |
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| 21:21.12 | petemc | rpmx: add both accounts to a client, copy the folder with the client |
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| 21:21.37 | Stevie[FP] | dracflamloc: You know, I don't know how to do it myself. My coworker did it |
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| 21:21.51 | Stevie[FP] | It must have been simple, because he'd never installed Debian before (he's a gentoo guy) |
| 21:22.02 | sephknows | hello again |
| 21:22.06 | dracflamloc | it seems like it'd be fairly simple in theory. i'm grabbing the netinst.iso now |
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| 21:22.17 | tox | vin`: obviously mkinitrd isn't run and wouldn't display an error, however the system will not boot, I get an "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel." error on bootup |
| 21:22.37 | Stevie[FP] | I think you just need to have the USB key inserted when you ran the install and choose that as your drive |
| 21:22.45 | sephknows | apparently, accordingto the guys inside #debian-kde, i need a newer Debian cuz the one i installed from was 6 months or so old... how can i upgrade from within itself? |
| 21:22.47 | tox | (and grub doesn't add a initrd: /boot/someinitrdimage) as I haven't made that |
| 21:23.00 | dracflamloc | do you think that grub would install to a usb drive? |
| 21:23.03 | rpmx | 4petemc, I use recipient_bcc_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/recipient_bcc |
| 21:23.04 | rpmx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.07 | dracflamloc | or should i try messing with syslinux |
| 21:23.09 | Stevie[FP] | dracflamloc: I know for a fact that it does |
| 21:23.14 | dracflamloc | oh ok |
| 21:23.34 | Stevie[FP] | The cube next to me has a (mostly) full Debian install that boots from a 1GB flash drive |
| 21:23.47 | dracflamloc | thats my goal =) |
| 21:23.51 | Stevie[FP] | anybody know what happened to #debian-boot? |
| 21:24.06 | Stevie[FP] | It's as full as you can cram into 1GB anyway, which isn't actually that full |
| 21:24.06 | vin` | tox: what's using usb_storage? |
| 21:24.13 | Tuxico | tox, so thats normal, you need to create one with mkinitrd or reconfigure your kernel w/o initrd ;) |
| 21:24.26 | DocPlatypus | Stevie[FP]: don't they make 4G+ flash drives now? |
| 21:24.31 | dracflamloc | yea, but its enough for gcc and fluxbox/some network apps |
| 21:24.35 | Stevie[FP] | We bought a 1GB key for like $15 |
| 21:24.40 | dracflamloc | yea but i got this drive free =) |
| 21:24.52 | DocPlatypus | I know I could cram everything but /var and /home into 4G |
| 21:24.53 | Stevie[FP] | It was a cheap venture :) |
| 21:25.01 | dracflamloc | lol |
| 21:25.12 | dracflamloc | i've got a 2.5" hd enclosure with a 40gb hd in it |
| 21:25.17 | sephknows | Stevie[FP]: hello, is it possible to upgrade my Debian? |
| 21:25.22 | dracflamloc | that'd be a sweet option too. but not small enoughf or my keychain |
| 21:25.23 | sephknows | without burning a new CD i mean |
| 21:25.23 | Stevie[FP] | to what? |
| 21:25.28 | sephknows | to whatever the newest is? |
| 21:25.35 | Stevie[FP] | What do you have? sarge? |
| 21:25.44 | sephknows | i dunno, some guy in #debian-kde says he uses Debian Sid |
| 21:25.47 | sephknows | ivwe sarge |
| 21:25.54 | Stevie[FP] | sephknows: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 21:25.55 | DaFresh | Stevie[FP], an other idea maybe ?! |
| 21:26.11 | tox | vin`: the BladeCenter CDROM is using usb massstorage |
| 21:26.30 | Walther | does xorg's ATI module have a grave bug? it freezes the screen here |
| 21:26.30 | Stevie[FP] | DaFresh: I asked if anything was actually happening on ctrl-alt-9 |
| 21:26.35 | tox | tuxico: i...know... |
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| 21:27.21 | vin` | tox: I seem to remember usb_storage and sd_mod related somehow, *shrug* |
| 21:27.24 | tox | tuxico: But should I really compile SCSI host controllers and Disks as modules when using initrd? (And NOT as inbuilt into the kernel as you used to have to) |
| 21:27.27 | DaFresh | Stevie[FP], yes |
| 21:27.47 | Stevie[FP] | DaFresh: What is happening on tty9? |
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| 21:28.13 | DaFresh | Stevie[FP], a lot off debuging lines ... |
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| 21:28.42 | DaFresh | Stevie[FP], s/off/of |
| 21:28.48 | Stevie[FP] | from what? |
| 21:28.53 | DaFresh | Stevie[FP], asterisk |
| 21:29.16 | DaFresh | Stevie[FP], it sends his logs on this tty ... |
| 21:29.21 | Stevie[FP] | is there no way to point asterisk at a different tty? |
| 21:29.28 | DaFresh | Stevie[FP], i dont know ... |
| 21:29.59 | Stevie[FP] | i'd try to find out |
| 21:30.00 | DaFresh | Stevie[FP], maybe but i dont need it |
| 21:30.13 | FuzzyBubblewrap | is there a way to fake an install with apt? |
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| 21:30.39 | FuzzyBubblewrap | I have a program looking for foo-1-2 package when it's really foo-1-3 |
| 21:31.14 | Stevie[FP] | There is some evil magic that can do that. I don't know what it is |
| 21:31.29 | dendrite | FuzzyBubblewrap: Yes, there is. Damned if I can remember though. |
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| 21:32.48 | DaFresh | Stevie[FP], ok thx ;) |
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| 21:33.25 | dendrite | FuzzyBubblewrap: The idea is to create a dummy package. |
| 21:33.40 | vin` | tox: I would check in usb_storage, sg and ide_disk and ide_generic (haven't tried with the root fs on a scsi disk, but that my hunch) |
| 21:33.42 | FuzzyBubblewrap | how would i do that? |
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| 21:34.09 | dendrite | FuzzyBubblewrap: equivs |
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| 21:34.54 | FuzzyBubblewrap | ? |
| 21:35.01 | dendrite | FuzzyBubblewrap: Is the package that has the failed dep a debian package? If so, file a bug. |
| 21:35.09 | dendrite | !equivs |
| 21:35.09 | dpkg | it has been said that equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 21:35.45 | MoL0ToV | hi to all! i have a image of a flash memory that contain a fat16 partition. how to mount this image? is possibile to use the image file as raw device? so i can do fdisk -l <file> ??? |
| 21:35.46 | tox | vin`: it has SCSI disks with an MPT Fusion SPI U320 LSI53C1030 RAID controller |
| 21:36.23 | M0ffe | MoL0ToV: mount -t msdos -o loop <file> <mounpoint> |
| 21:36.39 | tox | vin`: it doesn't even have an IDE CDROM (Its USB mass storage through SCSI emulation) (sg SCSI generic) |
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| 21:37.17 | MoL0ToV | M0ffe, this work also if in memory image are present not only one partition? |
| 21:37.26 | dracflamloc | Stevie[FP]: when i try installing it says "debootstrap program exited wit an error" |
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| 21:38.15 | Stevie[FP] | dracflamloc: Where did you get your inst cd from? |
| 21:38.17 | dendrite | MoL0ToV: You have an image file that has partitions? Eeep. |
| 21:38.17 | MoL0ToV | M0ffe, i don't know exacly at what address the partition starts and where ends... |
| 21:38.28 | MoL0ToV | M0ffe, i don't know exacly at what address the partition starts and where ends... |
| 21:38.29 | M0ffe | MoL0ToV: You'd probably have to split out the partition first. |
| 21:38.31 | MoL0ToV | but |
| 21:38.39 | MoL0ToV | howto? |
| 21:38.40 | MoL0ToV | :) |
| 21:38.46 | dracflamloc | i got netinst iso from debian site |
| 21:39.07 | MoL0ToV | is a vxworks firmware, on a section i can see FAT16 |
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| 21:39.52 | Stevie[FP] | dracflamloc: Was it a nightly netinst? There's a note on the page that says 'the netinst cds might not work anymore' |
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| 21:40.08 | M0ffe | MoL0ToV: Try to set it up as a loop device (losetup /dev/loop0 <file>) and fdisk -l /dev/loop0 - it might be able to tell you the partition table if it has one |
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| 21:40.11 | Stevie[FP] | dracflamloc: It says to download a nightly netinst |
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| 21:40.31 | Stevie[FP] | M0ffe: only if you have the loop device partition support patch? |
| 21:40.44 | MoL0ToV | M0ffe, fine thx! |
| 21:40.52 | M0ffe | MoL0ToV: Then you can possibly copy out the partition with dd |
| 21:41.01 | dracflamloc | oh so i need a nightly eh? |
| 21:41.33 | umesh | I need to compile php with openlink odbc driver, is there is a way I can change the spec file and rebuild like rpm ? |
| 21:41.40 | M0ffe | Stevie[FP]: Wouldn't fdisk be able to read the partition table? Of course you wouldn't be able to use the partitions without extracting them from the image... |
| 21:42.03 | dracflamloc | stevie[fp]: where would i get a nightly netinst iso |
| 21:42.04 | Stevie[FP] | M0ffe: fdisk doesn't need a block device to do that? |
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| 21:42.47 | Stevie[FP] | dracflamloc: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and search for 'daily built images' |
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| 21:42.57 | M0ffe | Stevie[FP]: Oh. |
| 21:43.12 | nakee | did anything change with the ftp.debian.org sid/experimental sources in the last week? |
| 21:43.20 | Stevie[FP] | M0ffe: fdisk should be able to read the partition table from a disk image |
| 21:43.30 | nakee | I keep getting bad data and timeouts |
| 21:43.33 | Stevie[FP] | M0ffe: Furthermore, if there's a partition table there, 'file -srk disk.img' should say so |
| 21:43.41 | dracflamloc | thanks |
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| 21:43.58 | M0ffe | Stevie[FP]: Okay, cool. |
| 21:43.59 | tziku | hello, can somebody tell me a text torrent client ? |
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| 21:44.18 | Stevie[FP] | bittornado I believe |
| 21:44.21 | Stevie[FP] | tziku |
| 21:44.31 | tziku | yes ;) thanks |
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| 21:44.46 | FlimFlamMan | hi. i already have python installed, but the deb file(s) aren't in /var/cache/apt/archives - how can i download the python .debs and the files they depend on? |
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| 21:45.56 | Stevie[FP] | FlimFlamMan: Why do you need those debs? |
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| 21:46.23 | tziku | Stevie[FP] i install bittornado... but "bittornado" command is not exist...can you tell me please how can i start this client ? |
| 21:46.43 | dracflamloc | jeez stevie, you're in high demand =) |
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| 21:47.18 | FlimFlamMan | Stevie[FP]: i want to create a second "instance" of python on the server, kind of like python2.3 and python2.4 can coexist on a single server, and use debian package management to keep them upgraded, but be able to control when the second instance is upgraded |
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| 21:48.54 | mbishop | What is the status of firefox and sarge? |
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| 21:50.06 | junix|work | i cant' do an apt-get upgrade |
| 21:50.09 | junix|work | i get this |
| 21:50.17 | junix|work | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. |
| 21:50.17 | junix|work | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:50.17 | junix|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.17 | junix|work | ead: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. |
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| 21:50.41 | FlimFlamMan | i notice there is a -d parameter to apt-get that supposedly just downloads, but i'm not sure if that does what i want it to do |
| 21:50.43 | craigevil | junix|work are you using Testing or Sid? |
| 21:51.00 | Bushmills | did apache2.2 hit etch already? |
| 21:51.02 | junix|work | unstable/sid |
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| 21:51.09 | craigevil | -d just downloads the packages so you can update then later |
| 21:51.38 | junix|work | ok... |
| 21:51.43 | Stevie[FP] | FlimFlamMan: indeed I am |
| 21:51.48 | junix|work | but i can't get past that error |
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| 21:52.25 | craigevil | did you try installing apache2.2-common? |
| 21:52.29 | dracflamloc | hey stevie[fp], the nightly doesnt even list my flash drive as an option =( |
| 21:52.34 | Bushmills | junix, remove the offending stuff if nothing else helps |
| 21:52.38 | nakee | so no one else beside me is having problems with ftp.debian.org sid/experimental repos?:) |
| 21:52.50 | junix|work | craigevil: yse |
| 21:52.51 | andrea_b | hi guts |
| 21:52.53 | andrea_b | guys |
| 21:52.55 | andrea_b | well, do you know how to desactivate an audio card under ubuntu? |
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| 21:52.57 | Stevie[FP] | tziku: for x in $(dpkg -L bittornadio); do if [ -x $x ]; then echo $x; fi; done; |
| 21:52.59 | Stevie[FP] | err |
| 21:53.02 | Stevie[FP] | spell tornado right |
| 21:53.05 | craigevil | !ubuntu |
| 21:53.05 | dpkg | from memory, ubuntu is A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ or /join #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 21:53.07 | junix|work | nakee: i am, i switched to using...kernel.org |
| 21:53.34 | Zarephath | anyone ever seen a problem where enabling WPA for wireless it would lose the connection and not be able to see the ssid broadcast? |
| 21:53.49 | nakee | junix|work thanks |
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| 21:53.51 | andrea_b | well, do you know how to desactivate an audio card under debian, sorry? |
| 21:53.56 | FlimFlamMan | maybe i should ask the question more generally - is there a way to create a second, independent python installation that is not upgraded unless i do so explicitly? |
| 21:54.01 | argonel | Zarephath: yes, but not on debian |
| 21:54.17 | nakee | andrea_b remove the sound module? |
| 21:54.24 | junix|work | craigevil: can you help? |
| 21:54.31 | andrea_b | yeah, you're right |
| 21:54.35 | Zarephath | argonel: Actually it is for Xandros OC on my kids old HP puter...it works with open..then dies..any idea how to fix? |
| 21:54.39 | andrea_b | but how to avoid autoloading? |
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| 21:55.30 | argonel | Zarephath: nope, sorry, this was macosx and the problem "went away" (TM) |
| 21:55.54 | Stevie[FP] | this stupid laptop is not cooperating |
| 21:56.13 | Zarephath | argonel: Ok thanks |
| 21:56.48 | argonel | Zarephath: perhaps a factory reset of the wireless device? |
| 21:57.07 | argonel | Zarephath: check for a firmware update for it too |
| 21:57.28 | Zarephath | Looks like I will have to try my hand at installing debian on it...never installed Debian before...the computer is old and only has 128 megs ram...30 gig hd...guess if I just use xfce4 or something it would cut down on system load.. |
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| 21:57.51 | argonel | 30 gig is heaps of hd |
| 21:58.01 | streuner_ | nah |
| 21:58.08 | argonel | ram's a bit lean |
| 21:58.18 | streuner_ | not with a lot of pr0n in your /home folder ;-) |
| 21:58.26 | Zarephath | argonel: Yep did both...just can't figure it out...yea however the ram sucks..and old hps had specific memory cards to force you to buy their design |
| 21:58.26 | andrea_b | hey you guys you guys |
| 21:58.43 | argonel | Zarephath: haha gotta love lock-in |
| 21:58.58 | andrea_b | how can I tell to debian to do NOT load a certain audio card? it's a modules.conf problem, I guess |
| 21:59.08 | Zarephath | argonel: Only if you don't need more of it..heh |
| 21:59.09 | streuner_ | nah |
| 21:59.11 | Stevie[FP] | streuner_: amen brother |
| 21:59.13 | argonel | Zarephath: maybe get a new mobo for it |
| 21:59.20 | streuner_ | in debian you don't touch modules.conf much |
| 21:59.37 | streuner_ | andrea_b: just make sure the module wouldn't loaded at boot-time |
| 21:59.59 | streuner_ | andrea_b: via /etc/modules or if you using udev (blacklisted) |
| 22:00.11 | streuner_ | Stevie[FP]: heh? |
| 22:00.46 | andrea_b | streuner_: udev |
| 22:00.56 | Zarephath | argonel: If I go that route I will just order one from koobox.com...for a cheapo it is like 299.00 US...comes with Linspire...which would have to go...but obviously linux hardware compatible...problem is I would still have to deal with wireless...do you know if a D-Link 520+ wireless PCI nic would be supported well under Debian? |
| 22:02.11 | argonel | Zarephath: what sort of cpu in that hp box? |
| 22:02.23 | streuner_ | andrea_b: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 22:02.32 | Zarephath | I see this card listed as well supported under acx100 on sourceforge...don't know about the problems dealing with Debian specific issues...only 800mhz celeron |
| 22:02.56 | argonel | Zarephath: you should be able to pick up a board in that class for fairly cheap |
| 22:03.03 | Zarephath | argonel: Agonizingly slow |
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| 22:04.25 | argonel | Zarephath: maybe you've got the original buggy celeron |
| 22:04.34 | the_mug | is there a apache 2.2.x deb package available? |
| 22:04.57 | Zarephath | argonel: Expand please? What was buggy about it? It runs everything ok..other than slow.. |
| 22:05.06 | streuner_ | !tell the_mug about search |
| 22:06.04 | argonel | Zarephath: there was a bug in the some of the early celerons, which made the cpu even slower than intended |
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| 22:06.21 | Zarephath | argonel: Ahhh |
| 22:06.31 | argonel | Zarephath: do you know if your slowness is caused by lots of disk swapping or even when its just trying to do stuff? |
| 22:06.35 | the_mug | streuner: I did apt-cache search but it doesn't say if it's 2.2 or not |
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| 22:07.00 | Zarephath | argonel: Looking at the hard drive light I would say probably a lot of swapping |
| 22:07.39 | Zarephath | argonel: usually when the app comes up it is fine executing stuff...even like You Tube is fine.. |
| 22:07.42 | argonel | Zarephath: so you're ram-poor then.. i guess it depends on what you want to spend money on. an upgrade to newer old components shouldn't be terribly expensive |
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| 22:08.26 | argonel | i was picking K6 2/500 + mobo packages up for less than $20 |
| 22:08.48 | Zarephath | argonel: That was my thought on it for sure..why dump money into an old worn out box when I could just spend 300 US and have a 2.X mhz cpu with linux compatible hardware |
| 22:08.56 | argonel | picked up 10 dell pentium 2 200's for $10 each |
| 22:09.13 | Zarephath | argonel: Huh? ;-) |
| 22:09.31 | argonel | Zarephath: what i tend to do is upgrade my own system and push the parts into the other computers in the family |
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| 22:09.46 | dracflamloc | argonel, you too? lol |
| 22:09.55 | Zarephath | argonel: Sounds like a sound plan...you could cluster them... |
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| 22:10.41 | knight_Lord | Hi, I have a NEC 4570A cdrom, which was not recognized by the netinstall CD from etch. Is there anything i can do? |
| 22:11.12 | argonel | dracflamloc: they were assembled as routers and sold for about $100 each :) |
| 22:11.29 | Stevie[FP] | argonel: hahaha |
| 22:11.42 | Zarephath | I am guessing I need to apt-get wpa_supplicant for WPA support for the wireless? How good has Debian's hardware/drive implementation become? Might it auto detect the card and config it automatically? |
| 22:12.04 | argonel | cheaper than airport extreme :p |
| 22:12.13 | streuner_ | Zarephath: haha |
| 22:13.12 | Zarephath | streuner: Does Debian use NDISWRAPPER? |
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| 22:14.14 | Zarephath | argonel: How many cds do I really need to get installed on the old box? |
| 22:15.37 | argonel | Zarephath: what have you got installed now, and what do you want to install? |
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| 22:19.33 | dracflamloc | bleh |
| 22:19.38 | dracflamloc | i found a 1gb debian install |
| 22:19.45 | dracflamloc | image |
| 22:19.57 | dracflamloc | it works... but my network card isnt detected =X |
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| 22:20.46 | streuner_ | Is the NIC supported by linux at all? |
| 22:21.06 | dracflamloc | yea |
| 22:21.16 | dracflamloc | the image is of a minimal install from sarge |
| 22:21.29 | streuner_ | and that's 2.4.27 or 2.6.8? |
| 22:21.34 | dracflamloc | 2.4 i think |
| 22:21.48 | streuner_ | hm, which kernel supports the NIC? |
| 22:21.49 | dracflamloc | no device eth0. |
| 22:21.52 | dracflamloc | poo |
| 22:22.03 | dracflamloc | i'm pretty sure 2.4 does. lemme double check |
| 22:22.20 | dracflamloc | actually the imge uses 2.6.8 |
| 22:22.23 | dracflamloc | i know it works in that |
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| 22:22.55 | streuner_ | grep via 'dmesg' if the kernel *see* your NIC |
| 22:23.22 | streuner_ | grep -i eth0 /var/log/dmesg |
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| 22:25.29 | Ono | am i change make target directory? |
| 22:25.41 | dracflamloc | it says 8139too Fast Ethernet Driver 0.9.27 a few times |
| 22:25.48 | dracflamloc | doesnt make any other reference than that though |
| 22:25.58 | streuner_ | !listvals 8139 |
| 22:26.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8139' by value (8): 8139 ;; realtek ;; 2.4.5 ;; scyld ;; start a nic war ;; rtl8139 ;; dfe-530tx ;; rtl81x9.c. |
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| 22:26.16 | streuner_ | !rtl8139 |
| 22:26.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
| 22:26.41 | streuner_ | dracflamloc: what happens if you modprobe rtl8139too ? |
| 22:27.17 | amphi | the factoid is a bit harsh IMHO, 8139s have worked pretty well IME |
| 22:27.33 | dracflamloc | streuner_: module not found =\ |
| 22:27.38 | streuner_ | for most people, but for some they don't |
| 22:27.41 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 22:28.11 | streuner_ | dracflamloc: just get another kernel (d-i) |
| 22:28.25 | dracflamloc | lsmod only lists 8139too as connected to mii |
| 22:28.37 | streuner_ | show us the line (only 2 lines) here via lsmod |
| 22:28.49 | streuner_ | mii is correct, btw |
| 22:28.59 | dracflamloc | "mii486418139too |
| 22:29.03 | dracflamloc | thats it |
| 22:29.10 | hjubal | I've copied id_rsa.pub to my server and added with ssh-add but it still ask for my pw.. Has my bash to be started under ssh-agent? |
| 22:29.17 | streuner_ | no 8139too line only, dracflamloc? |
| 22:29.18 | dracflamloc | oh |
| 22:29.29 | dracflamloc | and 8139too23936 0 |
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| 22:29.45 | streuner_ | dracflamloc: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 22:29.47 | streuner_ | then |
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| 22:30.27 | dracflamloc | yea i know about interfaces. not sure what to do in it to get this working |
| 22:30.43 | streuner_ | dracflamloc: DHCP? |
| 22:30.55 | dracflamloc | it says iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 22:30.57 | dracflamloc | however |
| 22:31.10 | dracflamloc | it doesnt actually work when booting up |
| 22:31.13 | streuner_ | hm, are you using DHCP? |
| 22:31.17 | dracflamloc | says eth0 isnt a device |
| 22:31.28 | dracflamloc | yes |
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| 22:31.59 | streuner_ | dracflamloc: does ifconfig show you eth0? |
| 22:32.10 | dracflamloc | nope |
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| 22:33.37 | amphi | dracflamloc: ifconfig -a shows it? |
| 22:33.48 | dracflamloc | nope |
| 22:33.50 | dracflamloc | =\ |
| 22:34.31 | streuner_ | dracflamloc: show us the whole output of 'lsmod' in paster bot |
| 22:34.38 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 22:34.39 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 22:34.58 | dracflamloc | i would... but i cant. i'm not on the computer that doesnt have networking working |
| 22:35.03 | dracflamloc | a |
| 22:36.03 | streuner_ | are you sure the NIC isn't broken? |
| 22:36.13 | dracflamloc | positive |
| 22:36.14 | streuner_ | do you have another NIC handy? |
| 22:36.28 | dracflamloc | not that i can put into a laptop |
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| 22:36.58 | streuner_ | dracflamloc: what kind of laptop do you have? |
| 22:37.16 | dracflamloc | dell inspiron 710m |
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| 22:38.48 | Caelum | what's ~/.ssh/identity for? |
| 22:38.58 | dracflamloc | sigh, oh well, i'll try something else |
| 22:39.10 | dracflamloc | probably just this stupid debian install image |
| 22:40.29 | streuner_ | "Setup's pretty easy, so I won't walk you through every step. Generally you can just hit enter to accept the default value you want to choose the ethernet interface that isn't "Ethernet or Fast Ethernet". For me the one to choose is "eth0: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX"." |
| 22:40.56 | streuner_ | so its the wrong module |
| 22:41.13 | streuner_ | http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~alexr/i710m/ |
| 22:41.21 | streuner_ | so it not 8139too |
| 22:42.04 | dracflamloc | well that would do it =P |
| 22:42.07 | dracflamloc | still |
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| 22:43.14 | cureless | Caelum: it's your identity file for ssh version 1 |
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| 22:43.58 | cureless | Caelum: version 2 uses id_rsa and id_dsa as defaults. |
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| 22:44.15 | Cooner750 | Is mirrors.kernel.org having problems? |
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| 22:44.42 | Cooner750 | apt cannot connect |
| 22:45.15 | streuner_ | dracflamloc: try modprobe b44 |
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| 22:45.43 | streuner_ | Cooner750: how should we know? |
| 22:46.04 | streuner_ | Cooner750: just visit kernel.org and see if there is any news |
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| 22:47.14 | wrox | Does the current distro of debian have decent support for SELinux? |
| 22:47.29 | streuner_ | only in unstable |
| 22:47.31 | streuner_ | atm |
| 22:48.00 | wrox | poo |
| 22:48.23 | streuner_ | visit 'Manojs' website and check out details |
| 22:48.50 | Caelum | cureless: thank you! |
| 22:49.13 | cureless | Caelum: I didn't do anything that the manpage didn't have |
| 22:49.24 | cureless | Caelum: s/do/say/ |
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| 22:56.52 | znull | Hello, I got Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l ( kernel 2.6.8, how do I upgrade my sistem to a newer kernel? ) I need to modify my repos. i think |
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| 22:57.33 | h3sp4wn | znull: backports.org |
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| 22:58.06 | znull | h3sp4n: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=howto |
| 22:58.51 | znull | oh |
| 22:58.52 | FuzzyBubblewrap | Is there a way to remove a package without removing it's dependancys? |
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| 22:59.18 | cureless | FuzzyBubblewrap: it's dependencies or things that depend on it? |
| 22:59.25 | h3sp4wn | FuzzyBubblewrap: apt-get does that anyway |
| 22:59.25 | streuner_ | Fuzzzy: apt-get remove <package> |
| 22:59.34 | znull | h3sp4wn : I've add backports but no update.. |
| 22:59.35 | FuzzyBubblewrap | i want to remove xfonts-base without removing xorg |
| 22:59.41 | FuzzyBubblewrap | so i can reinstall xfonts-base |
| 22:59.49 | h3sp4wn | znull: read the instructions about how to use them |
| 22:59.54 | streuner_ | Fuzzzy: if those other libs needed for some other app. it wouldn't remove them |
| 22:59.57 | cureless | FuzzyBubblewrap: you can just use the reinstall flag |
| 23:00.02 | amphi | FuzzyBubblewrap: why not apt-get install --reinstall xfonts-base |
| 23:00.12 | FuzzyBubblewrap | that's how it's done |
| 23:00.16 | FuzzyBubblewrap | i thought it was there |
| 23:00.18 | h3sp4wn | znull: they are set as a low priority (so you need to specifically select what you want) |
| 23:00.22 | FuzzyBubblewrap | i just couldn't remember the damm command |
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| 23:01.04 | znull | h3sp4wn: I need a newer kernel (why? cos I have a sata harddisk 400Gb and 2.6.8 dosen't know to boot with that) |
| 23:01.23 | streuner_ | znull: for sarge look at kmuto's installer |
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| 23:01.48 | znull | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.52 | streuner_ | yep |
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| 23:02.01 | streuner_ | !listvals kmuto |
| 23:02.03 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kmuto' by value (9): hwcheck ;; sarge 2.6.18 ;; which driver ;; hcl ;; sarge 2.6.12 ;; stable 2.6.16 ;; driver locator ;; sarge 2.6.14 ;; dl. |
| 23:02.13 | streuner_ | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 23:02.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.18 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm (See creator's warnings) |
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| 23:05.12 | De_Mon | Hooom, how do I strip escaped ,'s from a variable? ie VAR="This is\, some text" |
| 23:05.29 | De_Mon | in bash I thought that ${VAR/\\/} would do the trick, but it's not! |
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| 23:05.48 | streuner_ | De_Mon: sounds like a question for #bash? |
| 23:05.59 | pollywog | I get this error in my logs after reboots: lwresd[5258]: none:0: open: /etc/bind/rndc.key: permission denied |
| 23:05.59 | unseensoul | there is the directfb package in repositories? |
| 23:06.17 | pollywog | is there a workaround or do I ignore it? |
| 23:06.51 | streuner_ | if you using etch or sid in BTS? |
| 23:06.59 | pollywog | Etch |
| 23:07.09 | pollywog | and it is in BTS |
| 23:07.26 | pollywog | yeah I was thinking I should remove it |
| 23:08.03 | unseensoul | there is the directfb package in repositories? |
| 23:08.32 | pollywog | unseensoul: I see some |
| 23:08.35 | pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.52 | pollywog | apt-cache search directfb |
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| 23:12.59 | unseensoul | pollywog, thanks :) |
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| 23:21.44 | craigevil | !alien |
| 23:21.44 | dpkg | i heard alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
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| 23:25.30 | grendal_prime | oky dokey |
| 23:25.52 | grendal_prime | anyone had to connect to a windows vpn server recently? |
| 23:25.58 | grendal_prime | and if so what client you using. |
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| 23:26.39 | eldowan | grendal_prime: Sorry, only cisco VPNs |
| 23:27.41 | eldowan | grendal_prime: have you tried vpnc? |
| 23:27.51 | grendal_prime | was just looking at that? |
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| 23:28.47 | eldowan | grendal_prime: I've only used the KDE front end for it, kvpnc. It works without a problem for me. |
| 23:28.57 | grendal_prime | that works for me |
| 23:29.06 | grendal_prime | if there is a front end thats even better |
| 23:30.04 | eldowan | grendal_prime: the package is kvpnc for the frontend. |
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| 23:31.32 | Caelum | cureless: point taken :) |
| 23:31.37 | eldowan | grendal_prime: is grendal a reference to boewulf? |
| 23:32.43 | grendal_prime | Grendel is one who is denied the presence of god. |
| 23:32.46 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 23:32.48 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 23:33.17 | grendal_prime | grendal is spelled slightly different...i did that on purpose, also there is a comic book that was great |
| 23:33.33 | lancel00t | how do i get access to unstable, like whats the key work for sources?? |
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| 23:33.49 | streuner_ | lancel00t: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:34.21 | jetscreamer | wtg somebody |
| 23:34.23 | jetscreamer | 99% [Packages bzip2 0] [Query] | 27.0kB/s 0sbzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. | Err ftp://ftp.debian.org sid/main Packages | Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) |
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| 23:34.47 | streuner_ | choose another mirror |
| 23:34.56 | znull | where can I find a kernel2.6.x + grsec ? .deb package? |
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| 23:35.02 | sipher | Package csm is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 23:35.02 | sipher | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 23:35.02 | sipher | is only available from another source |
| 23:35.08 | streuner_ | znull: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:35.09 | sipher | How would I fix something like that? |
| 23:35.22 | jetscreamer | i did |
| 23:35.27 | jetscreamer | sipher: download it |
| 23:35.48 | jetscreamer | or compile it |
| 23:36.13 | znull | thanks |
| 23:36.14 | sipher | where Do I find it? |
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| 23:36.22 | sipher | eww compile. |
| 23:36.25 | sipher | =/ |
| 23:36.37 | znull | do I need to be register or something ? |
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| 23:37.16 | streuner_ | znull: register? |
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| 23:37.38 | znull | or something, cos dpkg is not responding.. |
| 23:37.49 | streuner_ | no |
| 23:38.13 | znull | wierd |
| 23:38.16 | streuner_ | znull: what kind of irc-client do you use? |
| 23:38.16 | Krux0 | Does anyone happen to know if apt writes to a configuration file while or after performing apt-get -d --reinstall install `dpkg -l|grep ii|cut -d " " -f3`? |
| 23:38.26 | znull | streuner_ ; mirc |
| 23:38.35 | streuner_ | haha, that makes sense then |
| 23:38.39 | jetscreamer | znull: you /msg the bot, and you need to use a factoid name/key |
| 23:39.01 | streuner_ | !tell znull about search |
| 23:39.22 | streuner_ | znull: use a proper irc-client, like X-Chat then |
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| 23:39.42 | jetscreamer | streuner: this is what i changed FROM: Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 204.152.191.7 21] |
| 23:39.48 | jetscreamer | just fyi |
| 23:40.01 | Krux0 | because i have done that on my box, then transfered all the downloaded packages to a networkless box on my flash drive and tried to run apt-get --no-download install <package name> |
| 23:40.05 | streuner_ | hm, scroll up what we told you before... |
| 23:40.23 | jetscreamer | !shoot me |
| 23:40.50 | jetscreamer | corner |
| 23:41.19 | Krux0 | on the unnetworked pc and it gives an error complaining that the package cannot be retrieved but it exists in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 23:41.44 | jetscreamer | next time please don't hand me stock answers |
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| 23:42.31 | luis[27] | hi |
| 23:43.59 | Krux0 | but when i cleaned the cache on my networked pc and retrieve one package and tried reinstalling it with --no-downlaod it worked. this has lead me to believe that apt was not aware of the packages that i placed in the archive folder |
| 23:46.22 | lancel00t | okay i have downloaded a *.deb file. how do i make apt recognize that it is on my system so i can install it |
| 23:46.35 | mike | use dpkg -i package.deb |
| 23:46.35 | dondelelcaro | lancel00t: just dpkg -i it |
| 23:47.05 | lancel00t | thank you very much donde el carlo |
| 23:47.12 | Bushmills | Krux0: getting package names from dpkg -l has a disadvantage:some package names are clipped |
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| 23:48.08 | Bushmills | Krux0: consider using dpkg --get-selections instead |
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| 23:55.45 | h3sp4wn | Krux0: or aptitude \~i (or whatever) |
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| 23:57.50 | Krux0 | mike, that doesn't automatically resolve deps |
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| 23:58.46 | Caelum | Why am I getting messages like: "runit-policy-rc.d: forbid: lirc start 2" when installing packages? |
| 23:59.38 | streuner_ | Caelum: unstable? |
| 23:59.49 | Caelum | streuner_: yup, using runit |
