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| 00:00.42 | Grell | !blacklist |
| 00:00.43 | dpkg | methinks blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 00:01.23 | abrotman | Grell: msg the bot please |
| 00:01.42 | odla | abrotman: when are you going to make a bot called abotman? |
| 00:02.01 | abrotman | odla: oddly .. you're not the first to make that joke |
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| 00:02.19 | Grell | just needed that tidbit of info |
| 00:02.21 | odla | abrotman: i know...i've been here before when others have too |
| 00:02.28 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:02.35 | abrotman | Grell: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 00:02.50 | eusto | how can i test if my video card is working and properly installed?? |
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| 00:03.06 | odla | abrotman: but seriously...when are you going to make a bot called abotman |
| 00:03.26 | cydork | eusto, look at the monitor?? |
| 00:03.37 | eusto | :) |
| 00:03.50 | abrotman | odla: what would he do ? |
| 00:04.03 | eusto | sorry for the two '?'.. |
| 00:04.11 | odla | abrotman: just echo what you type |
| 00:04.24 | abrotman | eusto: does X work ? |
| 00:04.27 | cydork | abrotman, whtever you do.. nothing :) |
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| 00:05.00 | odla | abrotman: play christmas songs on his guitar |
| 00:05.22 | eusto | abrotman:i want to test the 3D part...opengl and stuff. X works |
| 00:05.51 | abrotman | that i can do |
| 00:05.56 | cydork | eusto, run glxgears |
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| 00:06.02 | abrotman | cydork: that doesn't work |
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| 00:06.08 | abrotman | glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 00:07.14 | cydork | abrotman, huh? |
| 00:07.38 | abrotman | cydork: if your CPU is sufficiently fast .. it will give enough FPS to appear it's working |
| 00:08.18 | cydork | abrotman, ya that why iawklodgethisisnotarealtest or something like :) |
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| 00:08.32 | buggarage | why am i getting so much dependency problems when i want to install swi-prolog? |
| 00:08.38 | adrenaline | drv you still here |
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| 00:09.04 | soujiro | hi |
| 00:09.06 | abrotman | cydork: no . i'm saying it's not valid at all to test if it's working |
| 00:09.11 | soujiro | python or java? help me :P |
| 00:09.18 | abrotman | buggarage: pasting the error might help |
| 00:09.22 | abrotman | soujiro: ask a real question |
| 00:09.25 | odla | soujiro: what's your question? |
| 00:09.36 | odla | soujiro: VBA |
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| 00:10.31 | adrenaline | anybody using the 64bit debian? did they successfully get 200m ati 3d working? |
| 00:10.45 | abrotman | using xorg it should work |
| 00:10.45 | odla | adrenaline: try #debian-amd64 |
| 00:10.59 | adrenaline | cool thanks |
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| 00:11.31 | soujiro | what do you think? python or java? |
| 00:11.48 | abrotman | for WHAT? |
| 00:11.54 | odla | visual basic |
| 00:12.15 | abrotman | soujiro: ask #python or #java .. don't ask us |
| 00:12.23 | cydork | soujiro, C |
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| 00:13.04 | d0uglas | you're all forgetting lego logo |
| 00:13.19 | soujiro | thanks cydork |
| 00:13.23 | d0uglas | !logo |
| 00:13.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, logo is a wierd graphical language, but don't tell Seymour that, or http://debian.org/logos |
| 00:13.25 | soujiro | you are not a debianita :P |
| 00:13.36 | cydork | soujiro, no problems :) |
| 00:13.40 | abrotman | trolls suck |
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| 00:15.08 | unlink | i am at a loss at how to get the ipw9345 working in linux |
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| 00:16.43 | cydork | unlink, ask the real question.. |
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| 00:17.23 | unlink | how do i do it? |
| 00:17.45 | unlink | no way that i've tried has resulting in a working networking stack |
| 00:18.14 | unlink | which versions are compatible? |
| 00:18.18 | unlink | and with what kernel? |
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| 00:20.12 | cydork | unlink, which kernel do you have? |
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| 00:23.44 | limpio | hi all i just installed xchat-text but i can't log in, read the man, it gives the message: Try /server <host> [<port>] so i typed: /freenode <kornbluth.freenode.net> [<6667>] but it was wrong, any ideas? |
| 00:24.13 | odla | limpio: /server irc.freenode.net |
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| 00:24.27 | limpio | what about the rest? |
| 00:24.38 | odla | limpio: superfluous? |
| 00:25.20 | d0uglas | odla: good word |
| 00:25.47 | limpio | odla, i meant the 'host' and 'port' |
| 00:26.05 | odla | limpio: /server irc.freenode.net (that is the host) |
| 00:26.17 | odla | limpio: the port is 6667 and it should connect by default |
| 00:27.20 | odla | btw, isn't port a dessert wine? |
| 00:27.24 | odla | !port |
| 00:27.24 | dpkg | methinks port is To port something, you translate the code for a program from one platform to another. You could port a program you wrote on a PC over to a Macintosh, for example. Port, or for TCP and UDP port numbers, see the IANA's list at http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers |
| 00:27.34 | g333k_laptop | if I have a PC with remote desktop enabled (gnome) what vnc viewer should I use to access to that PC? |
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| 00:28.16 | d0uglas | impressive number of Ss in dessert usage |
| 00:28.25 | d0uglas | lot of people mess that up |
| 00:28.49 | limpio | odla, i wrote: /server irc.freenode.net 6667 - no joy |
| 00:29.21 | odla | limpio: /server irc.freenode.net <6667> maybe? |
| 00:29.35 | Phated | ehm, why would you need the port bit? |
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| 00:30.06 | limpio | nope :( |
| 00:30.07 | odla | Phated: because limpio insists on it |
| 00:30.09 | Phated | g333k_laptop: Whichever you want, generally. |
| 00:30.30 | Phated | If you're on irssi, you're only going to need /server irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:30.31 | odla | limpio: did you try just /server irc.freenode.net? |
| 00:30.32 | d0uglas | limpio: maybe you should try the win32 version of xchat with wine |
| 00:30.49 | limpio | hold on |
| 00:30.59 | odla | limpio: maybe you should use erc in emacs and use M-x erc-select and just keep hitting enter |
| 00:31.23 | odla | !enter |
| 00:31.24 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 00:32.30 | d0uglas | for a second i thought you had your i and e keys mixed up, but then i thought i'd just check with dpkg to be sure, and it blew my mind |
| 00:32.51 | odla | d0uglas: erc the only way to irc :D |
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| 00:36.14 | limpio_ | hi all, am i in like flynn? |
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| 00:38.13 | limpio | ok, it worked! thx odla & Phated |
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| 00:41.38 | limpio_ | q |
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| 00:45.42 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 00:45.43 | dpkg | <jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ? |
| 00:46.10 | d0uglas | !recursive |
| 00:46.10 | dpkg | i guess recursive is see recursive |
| 00:46.33 | d0uglas | now that's a qotd |
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| 00:47.44 | d0uglas | goddamnit i can't take it anymore! how can i supress softmac error messages? |
| 00:48.09 | d0uglas | wb billybong |
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| 00:50.20 | vezult | d0uglas: softmac? whats that? |
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| 00:51.02 | d0uglas | the thing that doesn't get along with my broadcom wifi adapter drivers |
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| 00:51.11 | d0uglas | and keeps wining about it in the console |
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| 00:51.59 | d0uglas | SoftMAC: Authentication response received from 00:13:10:11:49:d7 but no queue item exists. |
| 00:52.42 | d0uglas | it never ends |
| 00:53.02 | liable | d0uglas: try setting c -2 in /etc/init.d/klogd |
| 00:53.14 | liable | on the start line, then restart it |
| 00:53.24 | liable | err, -c 2 |
| 00:53.38 | d0uglas | nice.. i'll fire that up |
| 00:54.14 | vezult | or dmesg -n $(your favorite number here) |
| 00:54.32 | vezult | might that work? |
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| 00:54.49 | g333k_laptop | what kernel do you recommend me to use now? |
| 00:55.59 | vezult | g333k_laptop: 2.2 |
| 00:56.01 | d0uglas | liable: so i echo "-c 2" >> /etc/init.d/klogd ? |
| 00:56.07 | dusk | hi |
| 00:56.21 | liable | d0uglas: no, you need to append it to the start line |
| 00:56.29 | d0uglas | ok.. pico time |
| 00:57.33 | g333k_laptop | vezult, are you sure? there is no linux-image 2.2 |
| 00:57.57 | liable | g333k_laptop: he was being silly, 2.2 is *very* old |
| 00:58.05 | d0uglas | by appending it to the start line, you mean just inserting it as the top line in the file? or running klogd with a -c 2 flag? |
| 00:58.10 | liable | g333k_laptop: whats wrong with your current kernel? |
| 00:58.46 | g333k_laptop | liable, yeah I suspect... well what a humour... Nothing I'm just afraid to upgrade |
| 00:58.46 | liable | d0uglas: start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $pidfile --name klogd --startas $binpath -- $KLOGD -c 2 |
| 00:58.58 | d0uglas | ok thank you liable |
| 00:59.04 | liable | d0uglas: in the "start" section |
| 00:59.41 | liable | g333k_laptop: what have you got now? |
| 00:59.57 | cosmodad | can anyone compile from fuse-source on a 2.4.27-3-386 and 'modprobe fuse' without any "unresolved symbols" errors? This perfectly works on *-2-386, but not on *-3-386 anymore |
| 01:00.01 | dfx- | what's a good console excel viewer like antiword for word documents? |
| 01:00.10 | cosmodad | s/from// |
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| 01:00.44 | liable | cosmodad: check gcc --version and cat /proc/version make sure the gcc is the same |
| 01:01.27 | g333k_laptop | liable, 2.6.15-1-686-smp |
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| 01:02.41 | cosmodad | liable: they are. If they were not, the compile run under 2.4.27-2-386 wouldn't have succeeded |
| 01:02.46 | liable | g333k_laptop: iirc that kernel has vulnerabilities |
| 01:03.20 | liable | cosmodad: ok, just thought maybe they changed compilers for the .33 .. |
| 01:03.54 | Stevie-O | which kernel doesn't have vulnerabilities? |
| 01:03.57 | liable | g333k_laptop: so yeah, might be a good idea to upgrade it |
| 01:04.15 | liable | Stevie-O: well, its a known root exploit, so.. |
| 01:04.22 | Stevie-O | other than the 1.0 series |
| 01:04.34 | Stevie-O | There are a zillion of those. |
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| 01:04.47 | Stevie-O | The two hardest things to get right: ip fragmentation and setuid+ptrace |
| 01:04.56 | nemish | I'm having a problem with mdadm can anyone help? |
| 01:05.37 | Stevie-O | err, sorry, not 1.0, 1.3 |
| 01:06.06 | g333k_laptop | liable, to what? |
| 01:07.06 | Stevie-O | liable to get yourself rooted! *rimshot* |
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| 01:08.31 | d0uglas | liable: i almost got that command you gave me about the klogd thing but my laptop died before i could grab it.. i'm sorry but could you repeat that please |
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| 01:10.44 | atdt_ | query: is there any apt repository with a source package of the Metasploit framework? |
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| 01:12.33 | rxkaffee | when I install or update packages, I get the following warnings 'perl: warning: Setting locale failed., perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").' it does not seem to be harming the installs though |
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| 01:13.23 | d0uglas | would someone please scroll up a few pages and tell me what command liable gave me involving starting and stopping daemons and /etc/init.d/klogd and such? |
| 01:13.36 | atdt_ | or maybe an ARM version? thanks |
| 01:13.57 | odla | d0uglas: /etc/init.d/klogd restart? |
| 01:13.57 | atdt_ | d0uglas: is it start-stop-daemon? I don't know |
| 01:14.01 | liable | d0uglas: start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $pidfile --name klogd --startas $binpath -- $KLOGD -c 2 |
| 01:14.06 | d0uglas | Nice. thanks. |
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| 01:15.57 | atdt_ | /msg nickserv identify ut0pian |
| 01:16.02 | atdt_ | SHIT |
| 01:16.14 | atdt_ | god damn it |
| 01:16.22 | diskus | now I know it |
| 01:16.30 | diskus | don't bother I changed it already :P |
| 01:16.35 | g333k_laptop | when will we have firefox 2.0 in our repos? |
| 01:16.36 | epsilon | hope you don#t use same passwd in for ssh :) |
| 01:16.45 | odla | g333k_laptop: it won't be |
| 01:16.48 | odla | !iceweasel |
| 01:16.48 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 01:16.51 | atdt_ | epsion: no ssh |
| 01:17.10 | atdt_ | how about the unofficial repositories? |
| 01:17.21 | g333k_laptop | odla, why noy? |
| 01:17.24 | g333k_laptop | not* |
| 01:17.32 | diskus | firefox is not free |
| 01:17.40 | d0uglas | i think g333k's eventual follow-up would be when might there be an iceweasel update in response to ff 2.0's release |
| 01:17.41 | odla | iceweasel will replace it |
| 01:17.49 | atdt_ | no the _logo_ and _name_ aren't free |
| 01:18.00 | atdt_ | this is just silly |
| 01:18.02 | diskus | so that means firefox is not free |
| 01:18.11 | epsilon | IRC there was recently a rename of mozilla stuff in debian? |
| 01:18.12 | g333k_laptop | I will miss firefox then :( I rather user Opera |
| 01:18.20 | spike723 | opera is not free |
| 01:18.47 | diskus | g333k_laptop: there will be iceweasel which is firefox but different name |
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| 01:19.00 | bcfgbfdxgfdxgbxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.08 | bcfgbfdxgfdxgbxd | ? |
| 01:19.10 | diskus | mount it |
| 01:19.28 | bcfgbfdxgfdxgbxd | how? i just need the syntax to display the content of this partition |
| 01:19.30 | atdt_ | i'm still going to use firefox from the unofficial repositories |
| 01:19.30 | spike723 | only gpl stuff can be free |
| 01:19.44 | jelly | spike723: say wha? |
| 01:19.49 | diskus | bcfgbfdxgfdxgbxd: you can't check anything without mounting it first, man mount will help |
| 01:19.49 | g333k_laptop | diskus, if firefox is not legal is it correct to make a fork of firefox? |
| 01:19.51 | epsilon | you must mount before reading the filesystem |
| 01:20.07 | g333k_laptop | diskus, if firefox is not free is it legal to make a fork of firefox? * |
| 01:20.12 | diskus | g333k_laptop: only name firefox and the logo are not free |
| 01:20.13 | epsilon | 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt' something |
| 01:20.17 | jelly | g333k_laptop: firefox is legal. |
| 01:20.23 | atdt_ | is there an arm or source package of the metasploit framework in any apt repository? |
| 01:20.27 | g333k_laptop | jelly, I know I wrote wrong |
| 01:20.47 | Wyzard | Hey, cool, Frozen Bubble v2.0 |
| 01:20.53 | g333k_laptop | this is the corrected line: if firefox is not free is it legal to make a fork of firefox? * |
| 01:21.00 | epsilon | g333k_laptop: it's just license issue, as user it won't change anything technically |
| 01:21.00 | diskus | g333k_laptop: yes |
| 01:21.05 | d0uglas | i never thought i'd say this but i just made my spaghetti too al dente |
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| 01:21.29 | diskus | damn it's already 4:21 in the morning, and had only 2 hours of sleep last night :( |
| 01:21.43 | odla | g333k_laptop: firefox is free...it's logo and name aren't |
| 01:21.51 | odla | g333k_laptop: the source code is free |
| 01:22.02 | odla | Wyzard: how is it? |
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| 01:22.18 | g333k_laptop | diskus, So will we have the same version of firefox at the same time of the firefox release? or we are goingt to be two steps before they :( |
| 01:23.21 | odla | g333k_laptop: i am sure that iceweasel will be most on the most recent stable version of firefox |
| 01:23.27 | odla | g333k_laptop: use konqueror btw :D |
| 01:23.33 | odla | s most/based |
| 01:23.51 | g333k_laptop | odla, I hate konqueror |
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| 01:23.57 | odla | g333k_laptop: i hate you |
| 01:24.00 | odla | !hate g333k_laptop |
| 01:24.02 | Wyzard | odla: Pretty nice... better music, multiplayer LAN/internet mode, and a level editor |
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| 01:24.12 | g333k_laptop | odla, so we all hate each other |
| 01:24.17 | g333k_laptop | lol |
| 01:24.19 | odla | !hate everyone |
| 01:24.30 | odla | :D |
| 01:24.45 | odla | Wyzard: i'll have to d/l it and play :) |
| 01:24.47 | g333k_laptop | this change will make more debian users migrate to Ubuntu |
| 01:24.59 | odla | g333k_laptop: nah...most debian users will prefer iceweasel |
| 01:25.11 | odla | i use debian cause it's a great distro with a great philosophy |
| 01:25.20 | atdt_ | !hate himself |
| 01:25.21 | dpkg | I hate himself! |
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| 01:25.25 | odla | !DFSG |
| 01:25.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 01:25.35 | atdt_ | !hate myself |
| 01:25.36 | dpkg | I hate you, myself! |
| 01:25.38 | odla | !spank atdt_ |
| 01:25.50 | atdt_ | !vomiton odla |
| 01:25.53 | atdt_ | darn |
| 01:26.04 | g333k_laptop | Ubuntu has taken a lot of debian user by now.... and the quantity is increasing every they in front of my nose.. I see people every day moving to K/X/Ubuntu |
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| 01:26.44 | odla | g333k_laptop: well if they want to migrate c'est le vie...i'll stick with debian till the end |
| 01:27.34 | g333k_laptop | I love Debian... I will be insane the day of moving out to another distro,.. |
| 01:27.48 | SubStack | you only use one distro? |
| 01:28.09 | odla | SubStack: me? |
| 01:28.09 | odla | SubStack: yes |
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| 01:28.10 | iLLf8d | microsoft just patented freedom so we all have to pay now |
| 01:28.10 | d0uglas | does the firefox source contain some kind of vector graphic drawing instruction code to create the logo when compiled or is that a seperate kind of thing |
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| 01:28.12 | g333k_laptop | SubStack, In my house I use Debian.. In my work Xubuntu and SuSE |
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| 01:29.10 | g333k_laptop | SubStack, I have tried Centos, but not like as a desktop SO, just in servers... and leave it in the servers, keep away from my desktop please |
| 01:29.34 | diskus | I use debian in server :P |
| 01:29.45 | diskus | didn't like CentOS and whole rpm/yum thing |
| 01:29.56 | g333k_laptop | Yeah I will too, but there are Enterprise's Policies |
| 01:30.04 | d0uglas | i just don't like the name centos |
| 01:30.12 | g333k_laptop | I've got to go |
| 01:30.16 | g333k_laptop | bye debianitas |
| 01:30.20 | SubStack | rpm does have some packages that debian is missing though |
| 01:30.23 | SubStack | thank goodness for alien |
| 01:30.27 | diskus | well if I want enterprise distro it would be probably real RedHat and not some CentOS |
| 01:30.29 | d0uglas | isn't debianitas feminine |
| 01:30.44 | g333k_laptop | its general |
| 01:30.56 | d0uglas | SubStack: like what |
| 01:31.07 | diskus | d0uglas: centosinas |
| 01:31.10 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 01:31.23 | SubStack | like flagpoll and cppdevel |
| 01:31.41 | SubStack | packages with mere hundreds or sometimes tens of downloads |
| 01:32.15 | diskus | never heard of flagpoll or cppdevel :P |
| 01:32.15 | d0uglas | hmm dpkg doesn't even know what those two are |
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| 01:32.59 | SubStack | there's an rpm for vrjuggler as well |
| 01:33.03 | SubStack | to bad it's hell to get working |
| 01:33.27 | focker | I just upgraded my Debian Sparc Stable install to testing, but the keyboard must not have been recognized. I can get in via ssh, but I don't know where to change the keyboard setting to a sun keyboard.. |
| 01:33.39 | d0uglas | i would say the list of packages from the common groups is getting a little too large that it is taking apt just a little to long to get through in order to install a 50KB app |
| 01:33.47 | d0uglas | s/to/too |
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| 01:34.24 | SubStack | curse you abundance! |
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| 01:37.21 | cureless | I hate debugging just to find out that the bug was something I introduced while debugging. |
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| 01:38.35 | liable | focker: try dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 01:38.43 | focker | there is no one in deian-sparc |
| 01:38.50 | sparr | surprise |
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| 01:39.03 | focker | err, debian |
| 01:39.13 | sparr | unmeasurably less surprise |
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| 01:40.10 | focker | sparr: it doesn't surprise you that no one is in there? |
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| 01:41.33 | harold2006 | hi, I'm running sarge and the sound subsystem seems to be misconfigured. some apps can make the speakers work (i.e. mplayer) and some don't (i.e. firefox/flash and gnome-volume-control). What would be wise to check ? |
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| 01:42.57 | nima | Hello |
| 01:43.08 | nima | What's news in the land of #debian? |
| 01:43.32 | harold2006 | gnome yields "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" |
| 01:43.41 | nima | I haven't been around here for a while |
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| 01:45.27 | odla | harold2006: install alsa-utils and run alsaconf |
| 01:45.43 | harold2006 | odla: thanks. i'll try |
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| 01:54.35 | harold2006 | odla: i ran alsaconf, the package you told me seemed to be already installed. alsaconf detected two sound devices: one intel... and one "legacy". I told it to configure both (one at a time). but it doesn't change the gnome behaviour. alsaconf suggested me to use my "favourite" mixer (I don't even know which I might choose from :) ). What do you think I might do now ? |
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| 01:58.59 | harold2006 | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 01:59.10 | harold2006 | bad kernel configuration ? |
| 01:59.40 | d0uglas | woah |
| 01:59.43 | d0uglas | !chicken |
| 01:59.44 | dpkg | well, chicken is what ody puts his dick into |
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| 02:00.03 | sanmarcos | anybody else is having problems with usplash not working in edgy, and gzip failing on apt-get update? |
| 02:00.05 | d0uglas | i'd love to know what crosses the line if that doesn't |
| 02:00.06 | focker | should I need to reboot for a new keymap to take over? |
| 02:00.31 | sanmarcos | focker: X keymap? |
| 02:00.34 | sanmarcos | focker: usually not |
| 02:00.34 | d0uglas | focker not if it's a kde thang |
| 02:00.38 | harold2006 | focker: nope, it's not necesary |
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| 02:00.52 | d0uglas | well i guess i don't know what else it could be |
| 02:00.53 | focker | my Sun kb doesn't work in console or in X |
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| 02:01.04 | nima | focker, you probably don't need to restart for anything besides kernel upgrades |
| 02:01.09 | focker | k |
| 02:01.43 | nima | focker, That's unusual |
| 02:01.51 | focker | mouse works, but what should be the proper KB config is boofed |
| 02:01.54 | nima | How's it connected? |
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| 02:02.18 | odla | frozen bubble is pretty sweet |
| 02:02.20 | focker | It is plugged in the back |
| 02:02.33 | nima | :-P Is it PS/2? |
| 02:02.40 | d0uglas | maybe he's got a ps/2 port in front and this is usb |
| 02:02.53 | d0uglas | can't rule that out |
| 02:03.12 | streuner_ | mdetect can |
| 02:03.19 | d0uglas | True. |
| 02:03.25 | nima | I don't think I've ever seen a keyboard not work... |
| 02:03.34 | nima | I mean, in software |
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| 02:03.42 | d0uglas | +1, Interesting streuner |
| 02:04.00 | focker | no USB on this Ultra5 |
| 02:04.20 | focker | it is some weird round bus, not the same as PS/2 |
| 02:04.23 | jelly | so a type 5 sun keyboard? |
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| 02:04.33 | streuner_ | sounds like DIN-5 |
| 02:04.37 | focker | I thought it was a type 6 |
| 02:04.42 | streuner_ | hm |
| 02:04.55 | streuner_ | that should be tty |
| 02:04.55 | d0uglas | hmm just somebody named chanserv chillin in #debian-sparc |
| 02:05.01 | focker | I need a US key layout |
| 02:05.12 | d0uglas | at least he gets to have ops |
| 02:05.18 | jelly | focker: which kernel? |
| 02:05.20 | harold2006 | someone knows if "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" needs kernel reconf & recompilation |
| 02:05.41 | Stevie-O | maybe there's no /dev/dsp ? |
| 02:05.43 | focker | jelly: 2.6.17 |
| 02:05.52 | jelly | focker: for kernels 2.6, choose some pc-type keyboard. |
| 02:06.05 | focker | OH! |
| 02:06.14 | focker | holy crap, no wonder |
| 02:06.15 | fridim_ | wc |
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| 02:06.19 | focker | I almost did that |
| 02:06.24 | jelly | focker: changed between 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 02:06.27 | harold2006 | Stevie-O: me? |
| 02:06.41 | Stevie-O | harold2006: You |
| 02:07.20 | harold2006 | Stevie-O: let's see ... |
| 02:07.22 | jelly | focker: ... this is for console though. I suspect that same thing might apply to X. |
| 02:07.43 | streuner_ | /dev/dsp is OSS |
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| 02:07.59 | harold2006 | Stevie-O: you're right. |
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| 02:08.08 | streuner_ | sure |
| 02:08.28 | harold2006 | streuner_: oss!=alsa right ? |
| 02:09.08 | Stevie-O | that's correct |
| 02:09.10 | Stevie-O | OSS is obsolete |
| 02:09.11 | streuner_ | harold2006: yes |
| 02:09.16 | streuner_ | !oss |
| 02:09.16 | dpkg | oss is, like, an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very non-free and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the Halloween document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels. (See ALSA for 2.6 info).. OldSchoolSound |
| 02:09.20 | Stevie-O | although I must say... my system has a /dev/dsp |
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| 02:09.49 | harold2006 | a check list for alsa ? |
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| 02:10.34 | streuner_ | Stevie-O: OSS-emulation module loaded? |
| 02:10.39 | Stevie-O | could be |
| 02:10.55 | Stevie-O | snd_mixer_oss 15872 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:11.32 | focker | OK, I got a console login to work after picking /PC /qwerty /US american /standard/ Intl ISO8859-1 |
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| 02:12.32 | harold2006 | !alsa |
| 02:12.33 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 02:12.39 | p3rti | hi.. |
| 02:13.27 | p3rti | i have a little problem when i try to install xgl.. all install good.. but when i try to start the X server it say a error like X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or internaX Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or internal... |
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| 02:13.41 | Stevie-O | p3rti: do you have a fujitsu laptop? |
| 02:13.43 | p3rti | i'm on debian sid.. with the last update.. |
| 02:13.58 | p3rti | Stevie-O, no.. i have a amd 2500+ with a fx 5700 nvidia video card |
| 02:14.01 | Stevie-O | oh. |
| 02:14.16 | focker | But still can't login to kde |
| 02:14.28 | cast | hey all, i want to install a app with aptitude, without its recommended stuff getting installed too. how do i stop aptitude -R install app from removing all the other things that have previously been installed via a recommendation? |
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| 02:14.53 | Stevie-O | what's -R ? |
| 02:15.09 | p3rti | Stevie-O, what it could be? |
| 02:15.22 | Stevie-O | no idea, p3rti |
| 02:15.26 | Stevie-O | cast: Why not just use apt? |
| 02:15.35 | Stevie-O | cast: apt-get install foo |
| 02:15.46 | cast | because aptitude is better than apt-get perhaps |
| 02:16.01 | Stevie-O | aptitude isn't doing what you want. How can it be better? |
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| 02:16.30 | cast | yes, that maybe because i don't know what i'm doing. which is why i came here to ask ;) |
| 02:16.59 | streuner_ | it doesn't make magical things |
| 02:17.15 | streuner_ | all frontends usually use dpkg and apt |
| 02:17.16 | Stevie-O | Or maybe it's because aptitude isn't unconditionally better than apt-get. Which might be one reason why apt-get still exists. |
| 02:18.18 | cast | if i use apt-get then that adds the increased hassle of later on having to tell aptitude not to remove everything apt-get just installed, which unless its changed in etch is what will happen |
| 02:18.44 | Stevie-O | does anybody have any idea what he's talking about? |
| 02:18.45 | streuner_ | cast: show us the whole error in paster bot |
| 02:18.51 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 02:18.51 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 02:19.11 | Stevie-O | cast: Why would aptitude want to remove what apt-get installs? |
| 02:19.23 | streuner_ | cast: plus your sources.list |
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| 02:19.57 | Stevie-O | streuner1: I don't think he's getting an error. It just sounds like aptitude isn't doing what he wants/expects |
| 02:20.49 | streuner_ | How you call things when a app doesn't make the things you expect? |
| 02:20.59 | streuner_ | feature? |
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| 02:23.07 | rxkaffee | I get lots of locale related warnings like "Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library." I tried to dpkg-reconfigure locales, but it said its not installed... I tried to apt-get install it, and it threatened to remove base-config, and that didn't sound like a good idea... any suggestions on clearing this up? |
| 02:24.17 | harold2006 | does pcspkr module collide with alsa system ?? |
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| 02:24.29 | peterS | harold2006: no, should be independent |
| 02:24.30 | streuner_ | rxkaffee: base-config isn't in debian (etch, sid) |
| 02:25.14 | harold2006 | peterS: tks |
| 02:25.30 | harold2006 | i'm stuck with alsa |
| 02:25.45 | streuner_ | harold2006: cat /proc/version |
| 02:26.00 | rxkaffee | streuner_, thats odd... where's it from? |
| 02:26.16 | streuner_ | harold2006: sarge/stable |
| 02:26.20 | harold2006 | streuner_: Linux version 2.6.8-3-686 (root@lart) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Sat Jul 15 10:32:25 UTC 2006 |
| 02:26.28 | harold2006 | yup |
| 02:26.36 | streuner_ | install and use an official kernel |
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| 02:26.53 | harold2006 | streuner_: i understand |
| 02:26.56 | rxkaffee | streuner_, I don't know where it would have camefrom ... "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main" is the only thing in my sources.lst |
| 02:27.13 | rxkaffee | guess its a safe bet to let locales package replace it? |
| 02:27.14 | cast | ok, the easy way, but not the way i wanted, was just to use aptitudes ncurses interface |
| 02:27.29 | streuner_ | rxkaffee: so you installed via sarge/stable debian-installer? |
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| 02:27.59 | rxkaffee | streuner_, etch installer I believe |
| 02:28.50 | streuner_ | demudi has/had its own installer |
| 02:28.59 | rxkaffee | oh, thought it used etch's |
| 02:29.12 | rxkaffee | the system was installed with locales though |
| 02:29.33 | rxkaffee | after setting etch sources and upgrading, locales was removed and replaced by base-config |
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| 02:29.44 | streuner_ | :-) |
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| 02:30.18 | Stevie-O | locales was removed and replaced by base-config? |
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| 02:31.53 | phorce1 | grrr |
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| 02:35.16 | MrEntropy | yo |
| 02:35.29 | streuner_ | cafuego: ever saw 'Boomerang' ? |
| 02:35.46 | cafuego | streuner_: no, mine is a Vortex. |
| 02:36.02 | streuner_ | cafuego: TV-Show |
| 02:36.09 | Stevie-O | phorce1: Cheating at nethack? You cad! |
| 02:36.19 | cafuego | streuner_: never heard o`f it.. |
| 02:36.50 | Caelum | what's the bash equivalent of typeset -U PATH # remove dups from PATH from zsh? |
| 02:37.07 | craigevil | Boomerang the cartoon network? |
| 02:37.30 | streuner_ | cafuego: it needs flash, http://youtube.com/watch?v=kXf3wx5nPXU&mode=related&search= |
| 02:37.36 | MrEntropy | i have a very strange problem. a server at work has ssh and firebird(database) running. upon boot it's fine for about 5 minutes. after 5 minutes it refuses to reply to pings or ANY sort of remote internet traffic, however remains responsive locally on the lan. When this happens, i have to log in to the router, and the lan-wise to the server, and as soon as the ssh password prompt comes up it begins replying to remote pings again. |
| 02:37.36 | MrEntropy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.49 | phorce1 | This isn't debian specific but ... can cron be made to "time shift" easily? Eg. I want something to happen every 2.5 hours (270 minutes) and happen at different hours each day --- midnight, 2:30, 5:00, 7:30, 10:00, 12:30, 15:00, 17:30, 22:00, 00:30, 3:00, 5:30 <-- notice the shift past midnight. |
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| 02:38.17 | cafuego | Flash is broken. |
| 02:38.26 | Caelum | MrEntropy: did you install any firewalls? |
| 02:38.37 | Stevie-O | phorce1: Try */270 in the minutes column? |
| 02:38.42 | MrEntropy | Caelum: yes |
| 02:38.43 | streuner_ | cafuego: binaries and package of adobe :-) |
| 02:38.47 | agent | is there a good deb packaging howto that focuses on non-source based packages? current tutorials focus on building source packages with make, etc |
| 02:39.02 | cafuego | streuner_: By design and philisophy, I mean. |
| 02:39.10 | dendrite | agent: Look into checkinstall |
| 02:39.10 | streuner_ | cafuego: oh :-) |
| 02:39.13 | phorce1 | Stevie-O: Start -- save -- copy save file to safe place -- play -- find much stuff -- save -- copy save file -- die and identify stuff -- restart with copy of save file and manually "name" the stuff. Works well |
| 02:39.22 | Caelum | MrEntropy: did you try removing them and seeing if it still happens? |
| 02:39.42 | Stevie-O | savescumming. An evil thing. Play NAO! |
| 02:39.43 | streuner_ | cafuego: sure |
| 02:39.58 | MrEntropy | Caelum: yes, no difference. at first it had a very minimal firewall, then i thought i was getting attacked so i beefed it up. |
| 02:40.11 | agent | dendrite: checkinstall is exactly what i do *not* want since checkinstall is a make replacement and i have a non-source based package that i want to create (make is not used) |
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| 02:40.29 | phorce1 | Stevie-O: Tried that -- cron doesn't count past 60 in that field so I'm getting the notification email hourly right now. |
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| 02:40.43 | MrEntropy | Caelum: it's like me logging into it from the router, "wakes" it up somehow =/ |
| 02:40.47 | agent | dendrite: that is, all my files are non-source files that i want to package |
| 02:40.50 | d0uglas | cli xmms2! just when i thought that multimedia usability had peaked.. |
| 02:40.56 | Stevie-O | phorce1: I can't imagine that what you want is impossible. |
| 02:41.25 | Caelum | MrEntropy: something is wrong with your router then, that's the only possible explanation. |
| 02:41.38 | phorce1 | Stevie-O: My machine -- sole player -- I've done well a few times with no cheat but when I get bored the additional steps make it more interesting |
| 02:42.26 | MrEntropy | Caelum: i've already ruled that out. i've moved it before so it doesn't go through the usual pathway, no difference. plus, we have 5 machines that router serves. only one is affected. |
| 02:42.43 | Caelum | MrEntropy: have you tried using another NIC? |
| 02:43.02 | MrEntropy | Caelum: yes, i've even put the hard disk into a whole other computer. |
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| 02:44.34 | MrEntropy | Caelum: honestly though, what's the chance i *am* getting attacked? because i don't see a logical explanation. |
| 02:45.21 | MrEntropy | Caelum: i've reinstalled that hard disk two times now, and what's interesting is that after a reinstall, it stays up for at least a good few hours. |
| 02:45.27 | chemaja | yessss, victory --- i figured out how to bind the ScrLk keycode to the Super keysym (ie. now I have a Super key on a non-104-key keyboard) ------ but Compiz Water effect (ie. rain) still won't work. In gconf-editor:/apps/compiz/plugins/water/allscreens/options, you can see that the initiate_key is <Control><Super>, and toggle_rain_key is <Shift>F9..... but pressing these in this order doesn't seem to give me rain droplets. Can anyone possibly shed some l |
| 02:45.27 | chemaja | ight on this? |
| 02:46.14 | MrEntropy | Caelum: but i've updated it with the security mirrors and put the firewall up before putting it back on public. |
| 02:46.21 | phorce1 | Stevie-O: (cron) So far I've only come up with manually doing things like * */2 1 ------ 30 1-23/2 2 ------- repeat for each day (actually, that's not correct becaue it's every 2 hours at a certain minute -- but you get the idea) |
| 02:46.49 | d0uglas | -:- CTCP PING reply from d0uglas: 89.060 seconds |
| 02:46.50 | d0uglas | :( |
| 02:47.36 | Ronin | heh not even close to being a good ping |
| 02:48.49 | Caelum | MrEntropy: something is very messed up then. Try this: for i in `lsmod | grep '^iptable_' | awk '{ print $1 }' | cut -f2 -d_`; do sudo iptables -t $i -L; done |
| 02:48.55 | Stevie-O | phorce1: I am too tired to process exactly what you said. However, have you considered leveraging the fact that 2.5 is 5 divided by two? |
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| 02:49.30 | Stevie-O | What needs to be done every 2.5 hours anyway? |
| 02:49.39 | Ronin | coffe break? |
| 02:49.46 | Caelum | MrEntropy: it sounds extremely bizarre though, I'd write to debian-user with all the information you can gather |
| 02:50.08 | phorce1 | Stevie-O: actually, it's the "5" that I started working with. I switched to 2.5 because I wanted the report a bit more often during stormy weather. |
| 02:50.09 | d0uglas | Stevie-O: for me, every .025 hours or so i gotta ifdown eth1 --force;dhclient eth1 |
| 02:50.24 | d0uglas | i wish i could get something to do that for me when a ping timed out for more than a few hundred seconds |
| 02:50.37 | Stevie-O | what happens? |
| 02:50.39 | d0uglas | fricking broadcom |
| 02:50.44 | phorce1 | Stevie-O: just a script that grabs my outside IP by hitting a web page, cuts the IP from the result, emails it to me. |
| 02:50.59 | Stevie-O | d0uglas: uhm |
| 02:51.18 | phorce1 | Stevie-O: Lets me know the machine is alive and if the IP has changed because my cable provide has had to reset some systems during the storms |
| 02:51.24 | d0uglas | well i guess i could rig watchdog to do something like this but that would involve a lot of rebooting |
| 02:51.28 | streuner_ | Ronin: :-) |
| 02:51.36 | MrEntropy | Caelum: is debian considered at least mildly secure out of the box? because regardless of my firewall, i'm concerned about the default accounts it comes with, some of which i've deleted in attempts to solve this. however, ssh access isn't even allowed from the outside, so that's not really an option. |
| 02:52.08 | kingsley | Why would a wait call return the status "Out of memory"? |
| 02:52.16 | Stevie-O | every 0.025 hours? |
| 02:52.22 | phorce1 | d0uglas: .025 hours? 1.5 MINUTES? |
| 02:52.34 | d0uglas | hang on gotta wine calc.exe |
| 02:52.43 | abrotman | .025 hours is like .. minute and a half |
| 02:52.45 | streuner_ | kingsley: usually not enough RAM |
| 02:52.47 | Caelum | MrEntropy: if you think you were hacked, check for rootkits, see what processes are running, etc. |
| 02:52.53 | abrotman | d0uglas: you know .. there is more than one broadcom driver |
| 02:52.59 | d0uglas | well yeah lately i'm having to do that crap nonstop |
| 02:53.03 | streuner_ | kingsley: and bugs |
| 02:53.06 | MrEntropy | Caelum: again, a blank, i've gone through everything. |
| 02:53.07 | Stevie-O | dc echo '0.025 * 60' | bc |
| 02:53.09 | Stevie-O | err |
| 02:53.11 | Stevie-O | echo '0.025 * 60' | bc |
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| 02:53.17 | Ronin | MrEntropy: yes, or as much as anythign connected to the outside is |
| 02:53.22 | d0uglas | abrotman: i've tried my share, i really have, ndiswrappered too |
| 02:53.25 | streuner_ | kingsley: just reboot |
| 02:53.28 | Ronin | i think you're too concerned mind you |
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| 02:53.53 | Stevie-O | d0uglas: What's the purpose of the ifdown? |
| 02:54.05 | MrEntropy | Ronin: i'm too concerned? |
| 02:54.25 | Ronin | yes as in overly concerned |
| 02:54.37 | d0uglas | Stevie[FP]: well i used to have to reboot entirely then i manned ifdown and found this --force option and suddenly i could get the same results without having to reboot |
| 02:54.43 | phorce1 | Stevie-O: He has a NIC that goes into never-never land |
| 02:54.49 | d0uglas | err stevie-o |
| 02:54.54 | Stevie-O | ah. |
| 02:55.03 | MrEntropy | Ronin: i understand that i may be concerned, but this is a work machine and our systems don't budge without the database... |
| 02:55.09 | kingsley | streuner_: I agree with you that a bug is involved, but why would I want to reboot? |
| 02:55.31 | d0uglas | well put, phorce1 |
| 02:56.26 | rxed | I have alsa-oss install but there is no sound yet. Am I missing a module or something? |
| 02:56.49 | streuner_ | well, if you know another way to get rid of the un-nessecary RAM, just tell me. |
| 02:57.00 | phorce1 | d0uglas: old USR modems used to do the same thing -- 53K --- 50K --- 40K --- 30K --- 12K --- 8K ---- 3K ---- no transfer. Disconnect, reconnect --- 53K ---... |
| 02:57.05 | craigevil | rxed: have you ran alsaconf? |
| 02:57.15 | xittum | how do you change kernel without reboot? debootstrap-thingy? |
| 02:57.19 | streuner_ | s/un-nessecary RAM/used RAM/ |
| 02:57.21 | rxed | craigevil: I don't have 'alsaconf'. What package is that part of? |
| 02:57.32 | streuner_ | alsa-utils |
| 02:57.33 | amphi | rxed: alsa-utils IIRC |
| 02:57.37 | Ronin | was about to ask what is unnecessary ram |
| 02:58.30 | Stevie-O | something that is never found in a Windows machine, Ronin |
| 02:58.35 | rxed | ya! it works now. Thanks all. |
| 02:58.43 | Ronin | heh |
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| 02:59.26 | kingsley | streuner_: 2.6.18 seems to work fine after a call to wait() in xsane returned out of memory, so it seems to me that the kernel or xsane already released the RAM. |
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| 03:03.58 | d0uglas | well, usually dhclient gets me the same IP (except after debian reinstalls), so if i could just program a script not even to wait for a ping timeout but to have some kind of "pause" feature to wait every 0.025 hours before executing a ifdown eth1 --force;dhclient eth1 i could live with it |
| 03:06.00 | simonrvn | xittum: only special kernels and CPUs can do that. otherwise you reboot it |
| 03:06.54 | xittum | simonrvn: ohh.. i was just reading about that debian developer with 3-400 days uptime in sid.. and i started to wonder |
| 03:07.01 | d0uglas | -:- CTCP PING reply from d0uglas: 40.286 seconds |
| 03:07.06 | abrotman | d0uglas: why don't you get a real NIC ? |
| 03:07.07 | d0uglas | DIE BROADCOM DIE |
| 03:07.11 | d0uglas | ok |
| 03:07.15 | abrotman | and quit fucking whining |
| 03:07.17 | d0uglas | radioshack's closed |
| 03:07.24 | simonrvn | xittum: only on a protected machine i hope =) |
| 03:07.28 | abrotman | then go the hell to bed |
| 03:07.45 | zinx | d0uglas: maybe you can go to a real store then |
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| 03:07.54 | demio | hello guys |
| 03:07.54 | d0uglas | fine but i'll have to do the ifdown thing at least seven more times before my klonopin kicks in |
| 03:08.04 | demio | ubuntu just changed their fstab to UUIDs |
| 03:08.10 | demio | but today i switched my partitions around |
| 03:08.18 | abrotman | demio: don't you want to tell #ubuntu ? |
| 03:08.19 | demio | how do I know the UUID assigned to a partition? |
| 03:08.24 | demio | if i changed them around |
| 03:08.32 | simonrvn | public machines shouldn't have that much uptime IMO; kernels aren't perfect |
| 03:08.32 | demio | well, you guys are more technical here |
| 03:08.45 | xittum | simonrvn: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/06/msg00411.html |
| 03:08.46 | abrotman | demio: guess what .. we're not #ubuntu |
| 03:08.51 | demio | umm |
| 03:08.53 | simonrvn | there's vol_id, and dumpe2fs that can read them |
| 03:08.53 | abrotman | demio: most of us don't run it |
| 03:08.56 | demio | man, ubuntu is basicly debian |
| 03:09.03 | zinx | demio: except it's not. |
| 03:09.09 | demio | im asking a general question about fstab / partitions |
| 03:09.18 | abrotman | demio: really .. my box doesn't mount by UUID .. go to #ubuntu please |
| 03:09.19 | demio | how do I check the UUID for a partition? |
| 03:09.20 | simonrvn | and go see #ubuntu. please, and please don't start "ubuntu is debian" because it isn't. |
| 03:09.27 | amphi | demio: findfs might be what you want |
| 03:09.34 | demio | hmm |
| 03:09.34 | demio | ty |
| 03:09.37 | demio | ill try that out |
| 03:09.45 | simonrvn | ooh, new one |
| 03:09.46 | demio | and to the rest, fix your hostility issues |
| 03:09.52 | abrotman | fix your stupidity |
| 03:09.58 | abrotman | have a nice day |
| 03:10.09 | simonrvn | you haven't seen me hostile ;) |
| 03:10.24 | simonrvn | i was being nice |
| 03:10.35 | nima | Is it a bad idea to set wodim SUID root? |
| 03:10.46 | demio | hmm amphi that command finds a filesystem by uuid or label |
| 03:10.51 | demio | i wanted it the otherway around |
| 03:11.02 | abrotman | GO TO #ubuntu |
| 03:11.05 | demio | i give the filesystem device name and it prints the UUID |
| 03:11.07 | d0uglas | demio really you got some unusually positive treatment |
| 03:11.13 | d0uglas | i've seen these guys |
| 03:11.15 | simonrvn | nima: bad idea to do that to anything, but sometimes you have to do dumb things |
| 03:11.31 | demio | and btw guys, I use ubuntu on my pc but I do use debian on my servers |
| 03:11.34 | demio | so cut the crap |
| 03:11.40 | abrotman | YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT UBUNTU |
| 03:11.41 | simonrvn | there's a way i think to do that without, but i can't recall now. something to do with a wrapper script... |
| 03:11.43 | d0uglas | dude are you trying to get glined |
| 03:11.46 | amphi | demio: it was just a thought... |
| 03:11.49 | demio | no im asking about linux |
| 03:11.54 | abrotman | then try ##linux |
| 03:12.00 | d0uglas | i just wikipediaed gline and it does not sound nice |
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| 03:12.05 | demio | sigh |
| 03:12.14 | amphi | demio: are these UUIDs not in fstab? |
| 03:12.18 | abrotman | demio: we do NOT support debian-based OSes in #debian |
| 03:12.24 | simonrvn | d0uglas: it isn't. though it's useful for very troublesome people/bots |
| 03:12.31 | demio | yea, but im not sure if the UUIDs change when you change the partitions around |
| 03:12.37 | demio | im new to them |
| 03:12.40 | abrotman | amphi: go to #ubuntu with him please |
| 03:12.40 | simonrvn | demio: did you try what i said earlier? |
| 03:12.47 | demio | today i reparitioned my harddrive |
| 03:12.59 | simonrvn | demio: no, that's why you use them. they're SUPPOSED to be unique |
| 03:13.04 | amphi | abrotman: I know nothing about ubuntu ;) |
| 03:13.04 | d0uglas | are zlines more common for bandwidth-conscious irc networks like freenode |
| 03:13.13 | abrotman | amphi: you're helping him with it .. go to #ubuntu |
| 03:13.15 | simonrvn | if you re-create the partition, then yes they'll be new |
| 03:13.25 | demio | yea simonrvn, but i recreated a partition |
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| 03:13.30 | demio | how do i find the new UUID |
| 03:13.34 | simonrvn | then it'll be new |
| 03:13.36 | demio | so i can mount it on the fstab |
| 03:13.39 | abrotman | sure .. why even bother .. they'll help him here .. |
| 03:13.45 | abrotman | no wonder the tards keep coming back |
| 03:13.49 | simonrvn | .:23:08:52:. < simonrvn> there's vol_id, and dumpe2fs that can read them |
| 03:13.50 | d0uglas | heh |
| 03:14.03 | demio | hmm, i mustve missetd tha |
| 03:14.04 | demio | thanks |
| 03:14.09 | simonrvn | oh shush. first time i've done this. |
| 03:14.18 | abrotman | is not!!! |
| 03:14.18 | simonrvn | abrotman: ^^ |
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| 03:14.24 | d0uglas | hey my nic's on a roll, maybe five minutes an counting |
| 03:14.42 | sjr | I'm too sexy for my body, too sexy for my mind |
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| 03:15.01 | demio | and guys, grow up hehe, why not be friendly? i was nothing but polite and you bashed me right away |
| 03:15.10 | simonrvn | i'll send a friend of mine over, she'll be the judge ;p |
| 03:15.20 | abrotman | BECAUSE IT'S NOT DEBIAN |
| 03:15.22 | d0uglas | demio you're really perserverant i'll give you that |
| 03:15.25 | abrotman | holy crap .. so fucking dense |
| 03:15.38 | simonrvn | hard-headed. *usually* a good trait =) |
| 03:15.51 | abrotman | demio: do you go to #redhat for help with mandrake or suse ? |
| 03:15.58 | shogunx | huh huh, he said "head." |
| 03:15.59 | abrotman | erm .. mandriva |
| 03:16.18 | simonrvn | demio: see that, what abrotman is saying? that's why *we're* being stubborn. |
| 03:16.19 | d0uglas | you know i'm beginning to smell a troll, nobody would seriously try this hard to get ubuntu support in #debian |
| 03:16.31 | abrotman | yes they do .. because they're stupid |
| 03:16.38 | demio | umm |
| 03:16.43 | abrotman | they think it's the same .. they all do .. they just don't get it |
| 03:16.45 | demio | this wasnt a ubuntu-specific question |
| 03:16.48 | shogunx | acute cranial rectal inversion? |
| 03:16.55 | d0uglas | he says it isn't ubuntu-specific |
| 03:16.58 | demio | i just needed a command to print the UUID of a filsystem name |
| 03:16.59 | abrotman | demio: then ask ##linux .. why bother us with a non-debian question ? |
| 03:17.07 | demio | i asked there and its and idle channel |
| 03:17.12 | abrotman | so what? |
| 03:17.17 | abrotman | be patient |
| 03:17.33 | d0uglas | demio: sometimes i go to efnet #help when i am too embarassed to even say some of the things i say |
| 03:17.33 | simonrvn | demio: ubuntu has some things debian doesn't and vice-versa. they do certain things differently. hence 2 diff. support channels. *because they are different distros* |
| 03:17.34 | demio | and i remembered the debian chanel because last time I used debian on a server you guys were really helpful |
| 03:17.43 | shogunx | !beer abrotman |
| 03:17.46 | abrotman | yes .. we like to help with debian problems :) |
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| 03:18.03 | abrotman | your problem is NOT a debian problem |
| 03:18.12 | simonrvn | layer 8? |
| 03:18.13 | abrotman | shogunx: have you been hiding again ? |
| 03:18.14 | simonrvn | :P |
| 03:18.14 | demio | it couldve been a dbeian problem if i was using debian with UUIDs and needed to know the uuid of a partition |
| 03:18.17 | demio | it would be te same shit |
| 03:18.23 | d0uglas | efnet #help can be helpful with anything from knoppix boot flags to venerial diseases |
| 03:18.23 | shogunx | abrotman, been busy as hell. |
| 03:18.27 | abrotman | see .. they're so fucking dense |
| 03:18.30 | abrotman | they just don't get it |
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| 03:18.42 | demio | they? |
| 03:18.46 | abrotman | demio: why didn't you go ask #fedora ? |
| 03:18.49 | simonrvn | i see his/her point, but i don't think he/she sees ours |
| 03:18.49 | demio | man, i was a debian user before I was an ubuntu user |
| 03:18.50 | d0uglas | "they?" heh |
| 03:18.54 | d0uglas | oh this is rich |
| 03:18.59 | xittum | anyway.. could you guys take this to #debian-gossip or something.. its nois in this channel |
| 03:19.06 | abrotman | noise! |
| 03:19.10 | george_ | fine... how would I go about taking a dir, copying it into a package such that when installed, it gets installed as a component of a larger system (right now defined as being in a subdir of a dir holding the dirs) |
| 03:19.18 | d0uglas | demio: my friend had a girl go lesbo on him once |
| 03:19.19 | abrotman | it was noise when it started .. it was an UBUNTU question .. |
| 03:19.24 | d0uglas | oh wait that was me |
| 03:19.28 | demio | sigh |
| 03:19.31 | simonrvn | d0uglas: you don't "go lesbo" |
| 03:19.44 | abrotman | i would! |
| 03:19.44 | d0uglas | figuratively it's possible |
| 03:19.48 | george_ | d0uglas: you were the lesbo girl?! |
| 03:19.51 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 03:19.51 | dpkg | i heard bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 03:19.54 | simonrvn | abrotman: you are already, silly |
| 03:19.58 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:20.06 | d0uglas | george_ those antecedant abiguities have caught up with me |
| 03:20.10 | demio | ill think twice before even speaking well of the debian community again. once I thought debian had one of the most helpful / mature communites. now I see you're just a bunch of brats |
| 03:20.13 | abrotman | george_: is this a packaging question? or a tar question ? |
| 03:20.19 | demio | except for those 2 kind enough to help me |
| 03:20.24 | simonrvn | george_: use the 'install' command, usually run from a Makefile |
| 03:20.25 | abrotman | demio: you're not even asking about debian .. please stop whining |
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| 03:20.48 | simonrvn | george_: or just use mkdir [-p] /foo in a sh script |
| 03:20.53 | demio | err, whatever man. this could easily be a debian problem |
| 03:21.00 | abrotman | "Yeah .. i went into #debian to ask a question about a non-debian system .. and they weren't very nice about it .. they're brats" |
| 03:21.12 | demio | but the momment i mentioned "ubuntu" you guys just got your fangs and claws out |
| 03:21.17 | demio | and proceeded to shred me |
| 03:21.19 | simonrvn | OK, I personally getting fed up with this "argument", can we please stop now? |
| 03:21.21 | abrotman | golly .. wonder why |
| 03:21.27 | simonrvn | am getting* |
| 03:21.32 | demio | yea so am i |
| 03:21.34 | abrotman | simonrvn: it'll happen again in an hour :) |
| 03:21.39 | demio | thanks for the help simon |
| 03:21.41 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 03:21.48 | demio | now i can finally get my swap partition up |
| 03:21.49 | simonrvn | demio: *shrug* |
| 03:21.53 | simonrvn | :) |
| 03:22.03 | demio | ive been around partitioning for 6h |
| 03:22.06 | george_ | abrotman: I already have a script that copies the files to a dir that will be the debian source dir... I just need a debian/rules that will work for this... the thing that makes it simpler is no building takes place |
| 03:22.07 | demio | shoddy harddrive |
| 03:22.17 | demio | got some errors while repartitioning |
| 03:22.24 | abrotman | go tell #ubuntu |
| 03:22.29 | demio | err |
| 03:22.31 | inkypinky | help help!! I just did a dist-upgrade on my etch installation and the new apache2.2 is having trouble recognizing index.php files |
| 03:22.33 | simonrvn | aah, peace, without an /ignore/ how nice |
| 03:22.48 | abrotman | inkypinky: it's a known issue |
| 03:22.50 | simonrvn | s,/&,, |
| 03:22.54 | shogunx | php5 for apache2.2 isn't fixed yet? |
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| 03:23.04 | abrotman | shogunx: probably is in sid |
| 03:23.10 | simonrvn | hasn't made it to etch i guess |
| 03:23.13 | demio | cya folks, thankds for the help again simon and amphi |
| 03:23.14 | simonrvn | it is in sid |
| 03:23.14 | george_ | what's wrong with that? |
| 03:23.17 | demio | thanks* |
| 03:23.20 | abrotman | geordie: you want the rules file to run the script ? |
| 03:23.21 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 03:23.26 | demio | night |
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| 03:23.52 | inkypinky | holy crap any idea how to fix it or where can I read more about the php5 and apache2 bug |
| 03:23.58 | d0uglas | demio /server 210.253.245.48 |
| 03:23.59 | abrotman | !bts |
| 03:24.01 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 03:24.20 | simonrvn | d0uglas: old one: /server 127.143.82.78 |
| 03:24.30 | george_ | well there is no script... right now "installing" of the package is defined as "copying a dir to another dir, possibly changing the name of the dir just inside the top-level dir |
| 03:24.32 | inkypinky | abrotman: cool thanks |
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| 03:24.57 | simonrvn | d0uglas: or, /disco lights |
| 03:25.07 | george_ | " |
| 03:25.55 | george_ | so the toplevel dir might be /var/lib/openacs/suite1 |
| 03:26.27 | simonrvn | set yourself up a makefile and have fun with that |
| 03:26.51 | tam | st louis wins |
| 03:26.52 | george_ | and the package has a dir called "package" in it, and the rules file or some other specs file will be written to copy it to its original name... |
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| 03:27.00 | george_ | here, let me start from the beginning |
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| 03:27.12 | d0uglas | oh you son of a bitch you got me :) |
| 03:27.26 | abrotman | go to bed .. buy a new NIC tomorrow |
| 03:28.15 | n3kl | How can I get the latest kernel source "The Debian Way" ? |
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| 03:28.25 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
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| 03:28.35 | n3kl | Sarge |
| 03:28.47 | abrotman | sarge has 2.6.8 sources |
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| 03:28.55 | abrotman | !kp |
| 03:28.56 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 03:29.00 | d0uglas | oh lordy |
| 03:29.04 | george_ | I want to take openacs packages and package them, one debian package per openacs package... each openacs package has an xml file that contains the actual "unix name" and version of the package, which of course will become part of the debian package file name |
| 03:29.32 | n3kl | When does etch become? |
| 03:29.40 | n3kl | Stable, that is. |
| 03:29.41 | abrotman | become .. what ? released ? |
| 03:29.42 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: when it's ready |
| 03:29.45 | abrotman | oh .. nfc yet |
| 03:29.47 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 03:29.47 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00009.html |
| 03:29.48 | george_ | what does etch become? |
| 03:29.55 | d0uglas | my laptop ac adapter thing is losing conductivity.. i have to aligator-clip the line to the side of my screen with just the right angle and tension in order to get power |
| 03:29.57 | abrotman | etch will be released as stable |
| 03:30.02 | d0uglas | it makes me said |
| 03:30.29 | Stevie-O | I'd love to see a picture of that. |
| 03:31.04 | denmaeth | the updates for etch says they cant be authenticated. theres like 65 of them today |
| 03:31.05 | abrotman | wouldn't it be easier to just fix it ? |
| 03:31.21 | abrotman | which key ? |
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| 03:31.41 | n3kl | To do the nvidia oneliner, do I need to use a kernel-source from apt? |
| 03:31.48 | george_ | does manoj still have those packaging examples around? |
| 03:31.59 | tuv | n3kl, no. only kernel-headers |
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| 03:32.10 | simonrvn | george_: good question. check his site |
| 03:32.10 | abrotman | !mg |
| 03:32.10 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 03:32.19 | tuv | n3kl, m-a prepare should take care of it |
| 03:32.28 | n3kl | tuv: so I can use the latest kernel source from kernel.org ? |
| 03:32.44 | george_ | well |
| 03:32.45 | d0uglas_ | go away d0uglas you're from a previous boot! |
| 03:32.46 | Stevie-O | etch will be released as stable and slowly decay as the packages get older and older and older |
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| 03:33.16 | george_ | no... you should either use kernel-headers of a kernel that you -run- |
| 03:33.17 | tuv | n3kl, i was talking about debian kernels. kernel-headers is a debian packet. i'm not sure if m-a works with kernel.org kernels |
| 03:33.28 | george_ | or build a whole new kernel including headers |
| 03:33.29 | simonrvn | tuv: yes it does |
| 03:33.30 | d0uglas | i've basically memorized my boot sequence thanks to this laptop |
| 03:33.54 | simonrvn | d0uglas: that happens after a while anyway ;) |
| 03:34.43 | tuv | hmm.. debian packet. working with network simulators a little too much :) |
| 03:34.50 | d0uglas | well with windows i had a general idea how many times the animated fading boxes that phase over to the right on the boot splash would make a revolution before proceeding to the next splash screen |
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| 03:34.55 | simonrvn | tuv: hehe |
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| 03:35.17 | simonrvn | d0uglas: that's called boredom ;p |
| 03:35.41 | Stevie-O | I semirecently pulled out an old laptop that I had installed woody on when woody was testing |
| 03:35.42 | d0uglas | s/boredom/broadcom? |
| 03:35.43 | george_ | or it's called "comfortable chair" |
| 03:35.46 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 03:36.03 | d0uglas | :P ... hey, by the way, what was my signoff message when i tried to turn on the disco lights? |
| 03:36.05 | simonrvn | Stevie-O: that's *old* |
| 03:36.17 | Stevie-O | When I pulled out the laptop, sarge was stable |
| 03:36.34 | simonrvn | .:23:26:41:. ==> d0uglas n=asdf@250-54.customer.cloud9.net has quit ("lights") |
| 03:36.43 | Stevie-O | camera... action! |
| 03:36.51 | d0uglas | hmm "lights" that's all bitchx could come up with? |
| 03:36.55 | tam | abrotman: why not? |
| 03:37.02 | abrotman | tam: i was rooting for the tigers |
| 03:37.04 | tam | abrotman: spoil sport :p |
| 03:37.08 | simonrvn | well, you *did* set the /quit message as 'lights' ;) |
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| 03:37.15 | tam | i watched it in the UK |
| 03:37.23 | abrotman | they show baseball ? |
| 03:37.26 | d0uglas | Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh! must be some $thing in the client! |
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| 03:37.37 | abrotman | simonrvn: he doesn't get it ... |
| 03:38.06 | simonrvn | most sane clients you can leave a /quit message without setting it up thta way |
| 03:38.21 | malito | where I can reach an url to download a stable version of sarge, but with the new versions of packages' |
| 03:38.22 | malito | ?? |
| 03:38.34 | abrotman | new versions ? |
| 03:38.45 | george_ | malito: install official sarge, then look at backports.org |
| 03:38.59 | tuv | malito, you got your terms all mixed up man |
| 03:39.11 | d0uglas | simonrvn: well i know that, i always look forward to seeing what bitchx has to say next, but i'm afraid if i keep /quitting and /servering over and over to get a good laugh from bitchx i'll get glined from freenode :( |
| 03:39.35 | george_ | malito: sarge is released. the packages that come with sarge will -never- change, except for serious problem fixes. |
| 03:39.36 | simonrvn | naw, just people will wonder what's happening |
| 03:39.37 | d0uglas | that's why i go on and on for so long before i quit |
| 03:39.43 | phorce1 | debian was still running fine when I kille dit |
| 03:39.44 | george_ | having said that, look at backports.org |
| 03:40.01 | simonrvn | phorce1: of course ;) |
| 03:40.23 | malito | abrotman: the stable realease of debian don't recognize my brand new hardware... what can I do? |
| 03:40.30 | abrotman | what hardware is it ? |
| 03:40.39 | abrotman | SATA controller ? |
| 03:40.44 | simonrvn | debian is built like a reinforced concrete wall |
| 03:41.02 | phorce1 | malito: use testing -- it's "fairly stable" |
| 03:41.03 | Stevie-O | simonrvn: I don't know how reinforced concrete walls are built |
| 03:41.13 | abrotman | phorce1: but has no security updates |
| 03:41.16 | simonrvn | with rebar |
| 03:41.17 | tuv | simonrvn, only it takes the concrete ages to dry out |
| 03:41.24 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 03:41.33 | phorce1 | abrotman: yeah, that kinda sucks |
| 03:41.39 | abrotman | yeah .. duh :) |
| 03:41.45 | d0uglas | it just occured to me that the primary thing I use my debian laptop for is configuring debian |
| 03:41.53 | malito | yes SATA controller and Core2 DuO |
| 03:41.53 | simonrvn | tuv: you're not using "underwater" concrete, that's why ;p |
| 03:42.02 | Stevie-O | d0uglas: That seems appropriate |
| 03:42.05 | malito | abrotman: serial ata + core 2 duo... |
| 03:42.11 | tuv | abrotman, what about security.debian.org/ testing ? |
| 03:42.15 | simonrvn | set it and forget it. more or less. |
| 03:42.15 | abrotman | malito: eh .. i'm not sure any installer for debian can do that currently |
| 03:42.19 | phorce1 | abrotman: They get ther -- just 10 days after sid gets them. heh |
| 03:42.25 | abrotman | tuv: yeah . look for the last update .. i think it was about five months ago |
| 03:42.27 | Stevie-O | The primary thing people use gentoo laptops for is compiling X, KDE, and OO |
| 03:42.36 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:42.39 | abrotman | phorce1: good plan |
| 03:42.42 | d0uglas | heh "compiling" |
| 03:42.57 | abrotman | !tell malito about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 03:43.02 | tuv | abrotman, well are there any pending security problems? |
| 03:43.08 | abrotman | tuv: dozens |
| 03:43.09 | simonrvn | yes |
| 03:43.19 | Stevie-O | what else do you use Gentoo for? |
| 03:43.33 | simonrvn | compiling gnome |
| 03:43.45 | Stevie-O | Kernels too. |
| 03:43.46 | abrotman | tuv: http://idssi.enyo.de/tracker/status/release/testing |
| 03:44.00 | phorce1 | abrotman: they aren't "security updates" when etch gets them, they've been rolled into the distro. That's why a constantly updated security section for testing doesn't make sense |
| 03:44.44 | abrotman | phorce1: they were going to provide them for testing .. they haven't done so well |
| 03:45.04 | d0uglas | all right i clearly don't have time to keep starting x and i need to maximize my lynx experience.. how can i get it to use aview and imagemagick to render images? |
| 03:45.53 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 03:45.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing security is Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch, or ask me about <testing security key> |
| 03:46.36 | phorce1 | abrotman: the 10 day turnaround to make sure there are no RC bugs kinda makes it pointless. Though, OTOH, testing *IS* "TESTING", having it break due to a stuffed up security update should be acceptable. |
| 03:47.00 | abrotman | phorce1: perhaps .. but they didn't do it anyways apparently .. so it's moot |
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| 03:47.37 | simonrvn | phorce1: um, that's why security updates are marked priority high |
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| 03:48.25 | d0uglas | apt-cache shows that aview works with lynx but manning aview says nothing on the subject |
| 03:48.40 | Stevie-O | what is aview? |
| 03:48.46 | abrotman | !info aview |
| 03:48.46 | d0uglas | !aview |
| 03:48.47 | dpkg | well, aview is An high quality ascii-art image(pgm) browser |
| 03:48.53 | Stevie-O | ah |
| 03:48.55 | Stevie-O | nifty |
| 03:48.55 | dpkg | aview: (A high quality ASCII art image viewer and video player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.3.0rc1-8 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 03:49.05 | phorce1 | d0uglas: isn't there a command line graphical browser out there? |
| 03:49.11 | n3kl | Is there a cpu frequency scaler that pays attention to cpu temprature? |
| 03:49.14 | amphi | d0uglas: /etc/mailcap perhaps |
| 03:49.27 | amphi | phorce1: zgv is one |
| 03:49.42 | d0uglas | yikes cat mailcat |
| 03:50.03 | d0uglas | screw it i'll guess what the pictures look like |
| 03:50.20 | simonrvn | links or links2 can run in framebuffer graphics mode |
| 03:50.45 | phorce1 | amphi: restated -- console graphical WEB browser |
| 03:50.49 | d0uglas | ohh yes framebuffer mode i just got that working right with my radeon and i am LOVING the console like i never imagined |
| 03:51.13 | abrotman | what a sad life |
| 03:51.15 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:51.21 | d0uglas | it's like that seinfeld episode in which kramer widens the lane markers on the highway and they can swerve around in the lanes so freely |
| 03:51.37 | amphi | phorce1: oh |
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| 03:52.54 | bucky | !test |
| 03:52.54 | dpkg | No, bucky, you're not online any more. |
| 03:53.42 | d0uglas | my next step is to figure out one of these framebuffer boot splash programs and i'm gonna have it use an aviewed ascii rendition of my ipod's splash screen |
| 03:53.52 | d0uglas | then i will have achieved debian nirvana |
| 03:54.15 | d0uglas | no wait then i gotta get my ipod to flash the debian spiral |
| 03:54.18 | phorce1 | !info w3m |
| 03:54.25 | dpkg | w3m: (WWW browsable pager with excellent tables/frames support), section text, is standard. Version: 0.5.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 1073 kB, Installed size: 1828 kB |
| 03:54.43 | amphi | w3m is nice |
| 03:54.44 | phorce1 | d0uglas: do an apt-cache sho w3m |
| 03:55.05 | d0uglas | one step ahead of you phorce! |
| 03:55.09 | phorce1 | d0uglas: s/sho /show |
| 03:55.20 | d0uglas | w3m-img baby |
| 03:55.51 | d0uglas | oh boy here goes apt with the Reading database ... routine |
| 03:56.06 | phorce1 | I wasn't sure if I had seen it on this Woody box or one of the Sarge or Etch boxes |
| 03:56.20 | d0uglas | it teases me with the fast downloads and hits me with this |
| 03:56.36 | Stevie-O | do we know what the new testing will be? |
| 03:56.52 | abrotman | i think that's not decided until after etch's release |
| 03:57.05 | Stevie-O | bopeep |
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| 03:57.14 | abrotman | bo has already been used |
| 03:57.15 | abrotman | !bo |
| 03:57.15 | dpkg | hmm... bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 03:57.18 | Stevie-O | really? |
| 03:57.24 | abrotman | !release history |
| 03:57.25 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 03:57.33 | Stevie-O | Wow. |
| 03:57.47 | abrotman | pervert |
| 03:57.56 | Stevie-O | When I first learned about Debian, potato was old news and Woody was only a few months away from being the new stable |
| 03:58.14 | george_ | you started with bo because you like to peep? :) |
| 03:58.28 | Stevie-O | aresee |
| 03:58.29 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 03:58.52 | d0uglas | <-- slackware |
| 03:59.16 | Stevie-O | that's what I used before I was directed to Debian |
| 03:59.26 | abrotman | phorce1: uhm .. the nursery rhyme ? |
| 03:59.28 | Stevie-O | I don't think I could ever go back |
| 03:59.57 | phorce1 | abrotman: no, the Bo I knew a few years back <grin> |
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| 04:00.03 | p3rti | hi.. |
| 04:00.09 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Bo_Peep |
| 04:00.24 | abrotman | phorce1: Bo being the distro .. or the person ? |
| 04:00.28 | Stevie-O | That way she'll come to *me* :D |
| 04:00.30 | abrotman | erm .. a person |
| 04:00.39 | p3rti | i have a little question.. after i upgrade my debian, now i see that my gnome desktop dont have the icons of my harddriver mounted like before.. how can i get this option work again |
| 04:01.01 | abrotman | is gnome-volumne-manager installed ? |
| 04:01.07 | abrotman | volume |
| 04:01.14 | d0uglas | p3rti: same thing happened to me.. i was to ashamed to ask so i switched to kde and haven't looked back |
| 04:01.24 | phorce1 | abrotman: A person. As a distro it wasn't all that small either compared to the minimal slackware on a 386 I had installed prior. |
| 04:02.17 | p3rti | g-v-m it's installed.. because i put a usb flash driver and it mount right |
| 04:02.33 | p3rti | the only thing.. it's that the icon of my hard drive's mounted there it's no more. |
| 04:02.52 | p3rti | it's a stupid thing.. but i want to get back. |
| 04:03.27 | d0uglas | p3rti: so everything in your ~/Desktop is there? |
| 04:03.51 | p3rti | d0uglas, yes.. |
| 04:03.59 | d0uglas | even My Documents and Briefcase? |
| 04:04.09 | p3rti | d0uglas, yes.. |
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| 04:04.18 | p3rti | d0uglas, the only thing.. it's the icon for the hard drive.. |
| 04:04.40 | p3rti | d0uglas, when i put a memory flash it mount and show the icon on the desktop |
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| 04:05.00 | p3rti | d0uglas, well.. i want the same icon but for my already mounted hard drive |
| 04:05.12 | d0uglas | why not ln symbolically / with ~/Desktop/"C:\" or something? |
| 04:05.23 | d0uglas | ohhh same icon |
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| 04:05.38 | p3rti | d0uglas, wait a little.. |
| 04:06.00 | d0uglas | if i were running gnome i'd screen shoot the sucker for you and crop it real nice-like with gimp |
| 04:06.11 | d0uglas | even throw in transparency for ya to use your own background |
| 04:07.01 | d0uglas | in 16 colors i can get decent 200x200 pron on a 50KB/s dsl line |
| 04:07.04 | d0uglas | with vnc |
| 04:07.09 | d0uglas | you get used to it |
| 04:07.30 | Stevie-O | i once watched a DVD using VLC over VNC tunneled over SSH. |
| 04:07.45 | Stevie-O | well, 30 seconds of it anyway |
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| 04:08.01 | d0uglas | that sounds like a howto i would actually read |
| 04:08.35 | phorce1 | even playing solitaire using VNC is painful |
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| 04:08.55 | triplc | hi all |
| 04:09.03 | nevyn | phorce1: xorg works for that now |
| 04:09.16 | d0uglas | i just need to port forward 5900 at work and i'd be set but the IT lady won't have it and people here warned me not to do it with tor |
| 04:09.24 | toraton | huh? |
| 04:09.26 | toraton | oh. |
| 04:09.31 | toraton | sorry....'tor'.... |
| 04:09.51 | p3rti | d0uglas, ok.. i dont want the icon, i want the function like before.. that it show.. home directory and next filesystem and next harddrive's mounted on nautilus |
| 04:09.52 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to avoid having to answer the many, many configuration questions asked by make-kpkg [...] --config old configure? |
| 04:09.54 | nevyn | d0uglas: you have ssh? |
| 04:09.55 | d0uglas | in addition to subverting my company's IT policy or whatever, i guess using tor for vncing is unethical |
| 04:09.56 | triplc | i used to use gaim-encryption; however today after reinstall with etch, i cannot install gaim-encryption (not found). it looks like i miss some repo; could you please tell me what repo i need to have gaim-encryption |
| 04:09.57 | SPOPPO | hello |
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| 04:10.25 | d0uglas | nevyn: yes and sshd |
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| 04:10.50 | d0uglas | telnetd too (but don't tell anyone) |
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| 04:11.12 | nevyn | d0uglas: ssh -L 5900:127.0.0.1:5900 workbox |
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| 04:11.28 | nevyn | then vnc to localhost:5900 |
| 04:11.46 | d0uglas | i'm trying to envision what that would do (not at work) |
| 04:11.48 | peterS | yeah that sounds faster than tor as it's at least point-to-point |
| 04:11.53 | phorce1 | nevyn: on WINXP BOX? |
| 04:12.06 | moustic | d0uglas: with -C, it helps too for compression |
| 04:12.16 | phorce1 | nevyn: (xorg that is) |
| 04:12.35 | nevyn | phorce1: sure. |
| 04:12.45 | nevyn | phorce1: cygwin/x |
| 04:12.48 | d0uglas | moustic: compression? but i'll be needing all of my cpu juice to make svcd images out of divxes |
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| 04:13.12 | d0uglas | nevyn: i bet i'll need "Administrator privliges" to install cygwin |
| 04:13.23 | d0uglas | then the IT lady will know and the gig is up |
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| 04:13.29 | d0uglas | or jig or whatever |
| 04:13.33 | triplc | excuse-me sirs ;-) could anyone tell me a hint/suggestion so that i can apt-get install gaim-encryption; please ;-) |
| 04:13.33 | phorce1 | nevyn: Ahh -- trying to avoid setting up a full cygwin environment -- this *IS* a windows machine, I reformat it too often to go through that. |
| 04:15.04 | phorce1 | d0uglas: he was suggesting cygwin for me -- vnc through an ssh tunnel for you |
| 04:15.16 | d0uglas | did he realize i'm behind a nat |
| 04:15.23 | d0uglas | and port forwarding isn't an option |
| 04:15.31 | d0uglas | hence the tor idea |
| 04:15.31 | p3rti | another stupid question.. why when i umount a usb flash.. it show the led on like it still mounted. |
| 04:15.35 | Stevie-O | there's that natbuster |
| 04:15.39 | phorce1 | d0uglas: probably not |
| 04:16.00 | nevyn | d0uglas: if you can ssh to the target machine you can use a ssh tunnel |
| 04:16.02 | d0uglas | natbuster, sounds intriguing.. brb. |
| 04:16.24 | peterS | d0uglas: port forwarding inside an ssh session is fine with NAT, so long as ssh uses some sort of keepalive option to make sure NAT itself doesn't misbehave |
| 04:16.29 | d0uglas | nevyn: by do you have ssh i thought you meant do you have ssh, not can you ssh into the machine remotely |
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| 04:16.42 | Stevie-O | I forget what it's called. chownat? natchow? |
| 04:16.54 | Stevie-O | http://samy.pl/chownat/ |
| 04:16.57 | d0uglas | chownat, good name |
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| 04:17.22 | peterS | d0uglas: I use 'ServerAliveInterval 30' in the appropriate host entries in ~/.ssh/config (or you can enable that unconditionally) to get around NATtishness |
| 04:17.34 | nevyn | d0uglas: that'd be a stupid question to ask |
| 04:17.51 | nevyn | d0uglas: can you ssh to any host on the target host network? |
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| 04:18.04 | d0uglas | just the "terminal server" |
| 04:18.25 | phorce1 | d0uglas: if port 22 is blocked for you set the home machine up to use a different port for sshd -- I do that because we keep all priveleged ports closed to the outside world here at work. I could open them on the machines I need since I have firewall control, but why bother. |
| 04:18.39 | d0uglas | a windows machine that lets you run outlook and our industry-specific tracking program with a vnc-like web java thingy. |
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| 04:19.20 | stray_ | triplc, you have done apt-get update ? |
| 04:19.25 | nevyn | d0uglas: you can connect with the ssh protocol to a windows terminal services host? |
| 04:19.47 | d0uglas | nevyn: i can't even ping anything inside |
| 04:20.07 | d0uglas | phorce1: i need vnc to go in reverse or something like that |
| 04:20.24 | triplc | yes |
| 04:20.57 | phorce1 | d0uglas: no, you don't. You just need to ba able to connect to home, from work, with ssh. Period. |
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| 04:21.01 | triplc | stray_, i feel that i figure it out: i check packages.debian.org for etch, and see that there is no longer gaim-encryption |
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| 04:21.22 | d0uglas | phorce1: well then i'm in luck because that i can do |
| 04:21.27 | Snake | Hey guys, i'm looking for frozen bubble 2, on the website it reads: "Debian unstable (testing compatible): uploaded in official repository on 2006-10-27 19:00 CEST" yet in the package search page I still see 1.... |
| 04:21.31 | Snake | any ideas? |
| 04:21.58 | triplc | stray_, but it has a new one: gaim-otr (Off-the-Record Messaging plugin for gaim) -- and i make an assumption that it is a sort of replacement of encryption we use in the good old day |
| 04:22.05 | d0uglas | i can do just about anything except http through 8080 because that's how i talk to mr. linksys |
| 04:22.11 | phorce1 | d0uglas: then you use the command that nevyn posted above to forward port 5900 THROUGH the ssh port |
| 04:22.49 | d0uglas | the ssh -L 5900:localhost thing? |
| 04:22.53 | stray_ | triplc: happy gaiming :) |
| 04:22.55 | triplc | stray_, in the past, when there is such a "replacement", debian often have a sort of "dummy" package so that the users whould make a smooth transition, i think |
| 04:22.56 | phorce1 | d0uglas: it encapsulates and creates a "virtual copy" of the port you need at each endpoint |
| 04:23.03 | phorce1 | d0uglas: yes |
| 04:23.17 | d0uglas | badass! |
| 04:23.20 | d0uglas | thanks fellas |
| 04:23.29 | d0uglas | high five, nevyn.. high five. |
| 04:23.52 | d0uglas | my brain's got a high ping latency tonight |
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| 04:24.15 | phorce1 | d0uglas: make not of the "keepalive" suggestions also. When doing this through a NAT the NAT tends to forget you're actually using the ssh port and drops it. |
| 04:24.34 | phorce1 | s/ not / note / |
| 04:24.42 | d0uglas | <-- figured the /s out |
| 04:24.57 | d0uglas | ok i'm gonna log this whole discussion |
| 04:25.06 | d0uglas | then put it on bash.org |
| 04:25.11 | d0uglas | then try to set it up |
| 04:25.11 | phorce1 | d0uglas: SED IS YOUR FRIEND |
| 04:25.21 | phorce1 | stupid capslock |
| 04:25.32 | d0uglas | stream editor, hmm |
| 04:25.39 | d0uglas | thank god for /msg dpkg |
| 04:25.39 | dpkg | de rien, d0uglas |
| 04:25.46 | d0uglas | woah shit |
| 04:25.53 | d0uglas | that's some -fr stuff |
| 04:26.17 | d0uglas | i swear that was an accident i did not set that up |
| 04:26.18 | Stevie-O | -fr ? |
| 04:26.29 | d0uglas | de rien=no problemo in french |
| 04:26.33 | Stevie-O | oh, .fr |
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| 04:27.20 | d0uglas | i wonder how a different prefix might trigger dpkg |
| 04:27.25 | d0uglas | ... differently |
| 04:27.47 | Stevie-O | !pony d0uglas |
| 04:27.53 | Stevie-O | like that? |
| 04:28.08 | d0uglas | like yada yada trigger dpkg |
| 04:28.15 | Stevie-O | !start a distro war |
| 04:28.15 | dpkg | Cent OS rocks! |
| 04:28.23 | d0uglas | maybe it was the thank* dpkg |
| 04:28.28 | d0uglas | nope |
| 04:28.30 | moustic | btw ... does anybody knows how work chownat ? it looks very strange, looking at the description |
| 04:28.49 | Stevie-O | there was a trigger on 'dpkg -i <whatever>' |
| 04:29.02 | Stevie-O | dunno where it went |
| 04:29.10 | adrenaline | I have a hauppage tv card any suggestions on how to configure it in debian? |
| 04:29.30 | dondelelcaro | adrenaline: depends on which one it is |
| 04:29.38 | adrenaline | 350 |
| 04:29.54 | d0uglas | moustic: speaking of this elite stuff, can i pump up my nic's transmit power just like i can do to my linksys with openwrt or whatever? |
| 04:30.09 | phorce1 | adrenaline: which debian? |
| 04:30.14 | d0uglas | to extra-fcc limits that is |
| 04:30.23 | dondelelcaro | adrenaline: m-a a-i ivtv-source; should build the ivtv drivers for that card; (you may need to install module-assistant first) |
| 04:30.29 | dondelelcaro | adrenaline: then you'll want ivtv-tools |
| 04:30.47 | adrenaline | sarge |
| 04:31.34 | phorce1 | adrenaline: probably see dondelelcaro's answer then. I have a Pinnacle and when I installed etch it "just worked". |
| 04:32.01 | d0uglas | i love recursive acronyms |
| 04:32.07 | d0uglas | SEC is not ExCrament |
| 04:32.16 | adrenaline | can I upgrade to etch |
| 04:32.29 | Stevie-O | that was... really lame, d0ug |
| 04:32.44 | dondelelcaro | adrenaline: you don't need to; the ivtv drivers are there for sarge. |
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| 04:32.53 | d0uglas | come on you've heard worse |
| 04:32.54 | moustic | d0uglas: no sure to understand clearly ... your nic's transmit power... what's that ? |
| 04:33.01 | adrenaline | what how do I find out for sure what I have? |
| 04:33.02 | phorce1 | adrenaline: only if you really think you need to for some reason. If it works in Sarge, leave it alone. |
| 04:33.20 | adrenaline | what program do I use to open the tv with? |
| 04:33.38 | d0uglas | moustic: i want my laptop to really crank out the radio waves like it compiled the actual hardware itself gentoo style |
| 04:33.41 | dondelelcaro | adrenaline: once you've built the drivers, you can just mplayer /dev/video0; or similar. |
| 04:33.49 | d0uglas | ya dig? |
| 04:33.51 | adrenaline | cool |
| 04:33.53 | d0uglas | want to increase my range |
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| 04:34.17 | d0uglas | not sure how much good doing it on the router would do when i can't exactly beef up the router's rx sensitivity |
| 04:34.23 | phorce1 | adrenaline: there are several. Kinda just dig around in "apt-cache search" and play until you find something you like. |
| 04:34.31 | d0uglas | that's why i was wondering if i could do something similar to my wifi adapter |
| 04:34.39 | Kalisto | whats a good gnome file encryption program? pref that uses gpg? |
| 04:35.05 | dondelelcaro | Kalisto: gnome-gpg? |
| 04:35.08 | nevyn | d0uglas: you are an evil prick raising the 2.4G noise floor. |
| 04:35.10 | nevyn | :) |
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| 04:36.00 | d0uglas | Otherwise what's the point in modifying wireless router firmware to increase the juice? to broadcast shocking ssids to victims two blocks away rather than .5? |
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| 04:36.30 | d0uglas | hey i'm just trying to keep up with the existing 2.4 noise thanks to these "phone" users in my building |
| 04:36.30 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: so switch channels |
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| 04:37.01 | d0uglas | 5.8ghz? what's this about 5.8? |
| 04:37.25 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: I'm playing with it. Just getting them far enough apart when the camera receiver is hooked up to the computer can get ... interesting. |
| 04:37.47 | d0uglas | that's like, what, twice the strength of 2.4ghz, right? |
| 04:37.55 | phorce1 | d0uglas: 5.8 for computers doesn't exist yet as far as I know -- would be nice though. |
| 04:37.58 | d0uglas | 2.5x!! |
| 04:37.59 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: no |
| 04:38.07 | moustic | :) |
| 04:38.33 | d0uglas | phorce1: what about using a modem with an accoustic coupler strapped to one of these so-called 5.8 phones? |
| 04:38.42 | d0uglas | or did The Man already take that away from us |
| 04:38.57 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: and the cameras are pretty cheap too -- only have 4 channel choices on them. |
| 04:39.03 | d0uglas | low throughput sure but longer range |
| 04:39.12 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: yeah, I meant changing the channel on the wireless routers |
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| 04:39.27 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're doing battle with other people's routers, in which case I've nothing to say...) |
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| 04:39.53 | d0uglas | is >2.4ghz "vapor" physics? like, is that the point of diminishing returns? know what i'm sayin'? |
| 04:40.10 | d0uglas | (refering to radio waves) |
| 04:40.14 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: I have 5 neighbors, total, within 1/2 mile. I think only one actually owns a computer. |
| 04:40.19 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: no, there are things that go almost to light. |
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| 04:40.37 | psychonate | Should I alert someone if the dpkg bot refers to a broken link? |
| 04:40.51 | dondelelcaro | psychonate: best to just fix it |
| 04:40.56 | peterS | what's the frequency for 802.11a? isn't that different from the 802.11b? |
| 04:41.17 | d0uglas | dondek: i meant is there a point at which the higher the frequency the poorer the range... or durability of the range through obstacles.. that kind of thing |
| 04:41.19 | psychonate | dondelelcaro, was that a joke? |
| 04:41.31 | d0uglas | err dondelecaro: |
| 04:41.59 | d0uglas | damn alphabetical $nick: preemption |
| 04:42.01 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: well, once you get into 300GHz, you start sending light instead of anything else |
| 04:42.06 | phorce1 | psychonate: no joke, anyone can change the factoids in the bot |
| 04:42.14 | phorce1 | (just don't ask me how) |
| 04:42.19 | d0uglas | how many hertz is brown? |
| 04:42.23 | d0uglas | I like brown. |
| 04:42.29 | psychonate | didn't know that |
| 04:42.49 | psychonate | it's the first link dpkg gives in response to a query on "lirc" |
| 04:42.51 | Dewi | d0uglas: there isn't really a brown part of the rainbow |
| 04:43.09 | phorce1 | psychonate: I haven't done it in a few years -- I've forgotten how. |
| 04:43.23 | d0uglas | yeah now that you mention it dewi i never really associated brown and rainbows |
| 04:43.41 | d0uglas | somehow the gays make that leap |
| 04:43.53 | phorce1 | Dewi: what about that rain sodden spot where they hit the ground? |
| 04:43.53 | d0uglas | i'm sorry that was over the line |
| 04:43.53 | psychonate | oh my :( |
| 04:44.12 | psychonate | d0uglas, well, perhaps it slipped a few minds |
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| 04:44.38 | dondelelcaro | um... those flags et al. are roygbiv... |
| 04:44.39 | d0uglas | i'm not going to hold my breath :) |
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| 04:45.17 | d0uglas | i've seen rgb and cymk (or whatever) but not the entire rainbow abbreviated |
| 04:45.20 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: lirc is =~ s#http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~columbus/lirc/, or now at## |
| 04:45.20 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: i didn't have anything called 'lirc is' to modify |
| 04:45.22 | SpeedyG | what about the I and the U ? (infrared and ultraviolet) |
| 04:45.34 | d0uglas | dondelelcaro: what does 300THz look like |
| 04:45.36 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: lirc =~ s#http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~columbus/lirc/, or now at## |
| 04:45.36 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 04:45.42 | abrocadabro | I have an Intel HD Card, why do I need to do alsaconf after each time I reboot my system to get sound to work? |
| 04:45.53 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: I don't remember; it's probably x-rays or gamma rays. |
| 04:46.01 | psychonate | dondelelcaro, touche |
| 04:46.27 | psychonate | we'll just pretend there's a little accent above that "e" |
| 04:46.42 | d0uglas | well i'd ask what about a zillion billion hertz but i don't know what comes after tera |
| 04:46.42 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: uh... all devices that send out electromagnetic radiation are in the domain of the FCC. |
| 04:46.46 | d0uglas | oh wait.. peta! |
| 04:47.12 | pelzi_ | eh... |
| 04:47.12 | inkypinky | http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf |
| 04:47.18 | pelzi_ | even light is electromagnetic radiation |
| 04:47.25 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: rephrase -- FCC licensed -- he had to pay an annual licensing fee. |
| 04:47.33 | pelzi_ | the FCC doesn't govern light bulbs, now does it |
| 04:47.46 | d0uglas | phorce1: not the $699 sco license fee i hope |
| 04:47.51 | dondelelcaro | oh, nevermind... THz isn't even visible light... it's somewhere in the infrared |
| 04:48.02 | dondelelcaro | !convert 300THz/c to m |
| 04:48.04 | dpkg | 300THz/c cannot be converted to m: reciprocal conversion |
| 04:48.13 | d0uglas | can't certain dogs see infared |
| 04:48.14 | dondelelcaro | !convert c/300THz to m |
| 04:48.15 | dpkg | c/300THz is approximately 9.99308e-07 m |
| 04:48.21 | d0uglas | albeit black and white vision |
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| 04:48.47 | d0uglas | what GHz does scent travel at |
| 04:48.52 | d0uglas | farts specifically |
| 04:49.19 | inkypinky | http://www.glenair.com/qwikconnect/vol6num2/ElectroSpectrum.gif |
| 04:49.24 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: depends; solve the three dimensional diffusion functions, and you'll know. |
| 04:49.26 | d0uglas | thanks inky |
| 04:50.01 | d0uglas | dondelelcaro: should i go to timecube.com to figure this one out |
| 04:50.09 | phorce1 | fickle torrent seeders -- I really wanted that Luther Vandross -- have to find something else to test my remote connection to Azureus running at home. |
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| 04:51.02 | d0uglas | You know what I do, phorce? I use bittorrent to get a feel for the file names and then i gnutella that |
| 04:51.07 | d0uglas | that's what i do |
| 04:51.09 | phorce1 | grabbed the full 14CD sarge set a few weeks ago via torrent -- 600+kB/sec constant was VERY cool. |
| 04:51.15 | d0uglas | works 83% of the time |
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| 04:51.56 | d0uglas | 600?! bittorrent??? what were you uploading at, 6000000000? |
| 04:52.15 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: 1+1+1=3 |
| 04:52.22 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 04:52.43 | simonrvn | 1i+1i+1i=3i |
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| 04:52.51 | phorce1 | d0uglas: just testing running Azureus through VNC right now. Don't like the web frontends that are available for azureus. Torrentflux is nice but not configurable enough. |
| 04:53.01 | inkypinky | d0uglas: if there are enough seeders and not enough leechers I have seen some torrents go upto 700+ when i was at the univ |
| 04:53.07 | d0uglas | what about qtorrent |
| 04:53.41 | d0uglas | 700KB/s on bittorrent I wonder if i'll ever see that before I start to lose my hair |
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| 04:53.51 | moustic | bittornado |
| 04:53.54 | phorce1 | d0uglas: Cable connection -- I keep torrent upload capped at 20kB/sec so my Vonage phone is useable. |
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| 04:54.24 | inkypinky | yeah torrents really slow domy entire home network |
| 04:54.42 | phorce1 | d0uglas: If you have a fast downlink grab one or two of the Sarge CD's and watch the speed. they stay well seeded. |
| 04:54.46 | d0uglas | 20, that sounds pretty conservative for a cable connection managing |
| 04:55.41 | phorce1 | d0uglas: supposed speed is 8M down and 384K up. I'm at the end of the line so I've never seen over about 6.5M down. |
| 04:55.48 | SPOPPO | Hi |
| 04:55.50 | inkypinky | I have cable and I keep my connection at 15 or so |
| 04:56.04 | d0uglas | so on one end you have zero-day star wars screenerer torrent seed/peer ratios, and on the other, sarge cds |
| 04:56.20 | d0uglas | s/screenerer/screener |
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| 04:57.00 | phorce1 | d0uglas: and if I'm seeding something I drag it to work on a USB drive and seed from here at 30kB/sec as well as from home so it's an aggregate of 50kB/sec from me as a seed. |
| 04:57.32 | d0uglas | phorce we need more people like you in this tragedy of the commons |
| 04:57.38 | d0uglas | that is bittorrent |
| 04:58.00 | d0uglas | good word usage btw, aggregate |
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| 04:58.04 | d0uglas | that's exactly what that is |
| 04:58.05 | inkypinky | phorce1: u r allowed to seed @ work more so use torrent!!!! |
| 04:58.11 | psychonate | I miss Delirium Vault :( |
| 04:58.19 | d0uglas | "net" would have been confusing |
| 04:58.38 | d0uglas | what's that, nate? |
| 04:58.43 | SPOPPO | ok |
| 04:58.49 | psychonate | *was* a torrent site |
| 04:59.06 | d0uglas | ohh like suprnova? |
| 04:59.12 | phorce1 | d0uglas: my words get bigger as I get more sleep deprived. |
| 04:59.43 | psychonate | d0uglas, for me, it was better; had different stuff on their--like cult and foreign films |
| 04:59.46 | d0uglas | phorce1: mine get animated and trippy |
| 04:59.52 | adrenaline | can i apt-get nvidia drivers or do I have to get them from nvidia? |
| 04:59.58 | psychonate | d0uglas, moreso than on other sites |
| 05:00.08 | psychonate | s/their/there |
| 05:00.42 | psychonate | d0uglas, suprnova was useful too |
| 05:00.44 | d0uglas | <-- doesn't even notice s/the*r* differences |
| 05:00.47 | d0uglas | anymore |
| 05:00.52 | d0uglas | that's what the internet does to you |
| 05:00.56 | psychonate | haha |
| 05:01.07 | d0uglas | i used to be a 10 year old grammar nazi |
| 05:01.26 | psychonate | d0uglas, now you're a thirty-five year old grammar nazi? |
| 05:01.41 | d0uglas | what is this, an a/s/l check? |
| 05:01.52 | psychonate | I really just picked an arbitrary number |
| 05:02.05 | psychonate | don't flatter yourself ;) |
| 05:02.10 | d0uglas | heh |
| 05:02.40 | d0uglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.41 | d0uglas | oh wait i already made that one old |
| 05:02.45 | inkypinky | adrenaline: what distro |
| 05:02.58 | phorce1 | I'm on a pr0n ratio site where I've downloaded 8G and seeded 350+G -- just watching to see how long seeds are used before I have to grab something else to keep driving the ratio up. |
| 05:03.27 | psychonate | phorce1, E----ium? |
| 05:03.35 | inkypinky | 8G's of p0rn |
| 05:03.37 | psychonate | missed a - |
| 05:03.38 | psychonate | damn |
| 05:03.46 | d0uglas | phorce1: i learned that bittorrent is not for pron many .wmv spyware invasions ago |
| 05:03.55 | phorce1 | psychonate: no PTNA |
| 05:04.01 | psychonate | never heard of it |
| 05:04.06 | inkypinky | newsgroups ftw |
| 05:04.11 | moustic | adrenaline: have a look at #nvidia |
| 05:04.19 | psychonate | not that *I* would ever look... at such--eh, material |
| 05:04.26 | phorce1 | d0uglas: You actually use media player to play .wmv files? |
| 05:04.53 | d0uglas | needed "Administrator" to install winamp |
| 05:05.00 | d0uglas | i mean xmms with the winamp skin plugin |
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| 05:07.30 | jair | hello guys |
| 05:07.42 | jair | I have a couple of quick questions |
| 05:07.54 | d0uglas | i'm not proud of it but i get my howard stern shows on gnutella.. usually a 36 hour lag. Sometimes I get a few days' worth. What I haven't figured out though is when I get a fresh clump of recent days whether to continue to listen in order to preserve continuity or to skip to the latest to get the most topical show |
| 05:08.18 | jair | if i am using debian sarge 3.1 r3 is the stable version ( more secure) from all the other versions of debian correct? |
| 05:08.18 | d0uglas | ... and this is related to debian because i can't get firefox and mplayer to pick up the sirius.com stream |
| 05:08.39 | amphi | d0uglas: an agonising decision, I'm sure |
| 05:08.47 | d0uglas | really, amphi... it is. |
| 05:09.22 | jair | I really want to start testing SID and see the latest stuff out there but the thing is that it is not to secure correct? |
| 05:09.28 | jair | and it is not stable ;( |
| 05:09.36 | d0uglas | also I love howard like a father and i'm considering paying for a membership even though i don't own a sat radio nor would i be using their site's bandwidth, just gnutella |
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| 05:10.25 | amphi | d0uglas: howard? |
| 05:10.52 | moustic | jair: stable does not mean secure |
| 05:11.12 | d0uglas | jair: it's much more about stability than security as far as the differences go.. then there's debian volitale |
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| 05:11.24 | phorce1 | d0uglas: You must work in a cube farm. I just poked a hole in the office wall and stuck a Sirius antenna outside -- got my Sirius playing with no bandwidth required. |
| 05:11.51 | d0uglas | i'm just afraid of the radio investment |
| 05:11.55 | d0uglas | i don't even own a cell phone |
| 05:11.58 | d0uglas | i live in manhattan |
| 05:12.09 | d0uglas | i can deal with the $13 / month |
| 05:12.24 | d0uglas | maybe it's the schlep to radio shack or best buy that bugs me, i don't know. |
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| 05:12.52 | phorce1 | d0uglas: they should have terrestrial transmitters there so even if you can't get a clear sat view Sirius should still work. |
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| 05:13.04 | d0uglas | ohh that's right the repeaters |
| 05:13.12 | xjkx | i want to use xgl, my video card is a sis700 ONBOARD, is it possible? |
| 05:13.21 | d0uglas | you heard about the stilleto, phorce? |
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| 05:13.32 | xjkx | sis741* |
| 05:13.50 | phorce1 | d0uglas: I drive about 12,000 miles/year to car shows -- Sat radio is THE shiznit for for long drives. |
| 05:14.08 | phorce1 | d0uglas: Is that the one that records a few hours? |
| 05:14.11 | d0uglas | sirius's new ipod that hops to wifi when avialable |
| 05:14.19 | d0uglas | it does record |
| 05:14.36 | d0uglas | and the battery lasts i think two to four hours on sat mode |
| 05:14.45 | xjkx | xgl |
| 05:14.50 | d0uglas | (and that's what they advertise... my ipod's supposed to last 22 hours :P) |
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| 05:15.46 | d0uglas | how could satelitte mode drain the juice so much harder? they must use crazy silly-fresh compression |
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| 05:16.21 | d0uglas | howard's show lasts longer than this fricking player |
| 05:16.54 | guk | try a big reciever :) that takes lots of batteries |
| 05:17.05 | guk | and I believe satilite radio uses some kinda mp3 compression ? |
| 05:17.14 | phorce1 | d0uglas: Go find a friend with a sat radio -- play it for an hour then pick it up (wear gloves). There is some SERIOUS power transfer happening in there. |
| 05:17.38 | Kalisto | wow.. how can i use shred to kill a dir and all sub dirs... like rm -r.. shred seems not to support that? |
| 05:17.56 | phorce1 | d0uglas: The power bricks are usually 1.5 or 2 amp models. |
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| 05:19.01 | adrenaline | how do I get debian to boot to cli? |
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| 05:19.35 | adrenaline | I changed to runlevel 4 in inittab but it still boots to login gui |
| 05:19.46 | d0uglas | 1.5 or 2 amp? tom hanks could have brought that apollo spaceship home with one of these suckers |
| 05:19.49 | adrenaline | oops I meant runlevel 3 |
| 05:19.58 | phorce1 | Kalisto: What filesystem are you using shred on? ext2? |
| 05:20.08 | amphi | adrenaline: debian doesn't do runlevels like that |
| 05:20.17 | amphi | adrenaline: remove ?dm |
| 05:20.30 | adrenaline | where is ?dm |
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| 05:20.48 | amphi | adrenaline: xdm, gdm, kdm, whatever you have there |
| 05:20.55 | xjkx | apt-get install xgl doesnt work |
| 05:20.58 | Kalisto | phorce1, no reiser. i know thats an issue.. but there should be a way? |
| 05:21.25 | adrenaline | where is that? and If I remove it can will X work? |
| 05:21.32 | phorce1 | adrenaline: if a stock install you probably have gdm installed. Either disable it (have to look in the configs) or remove it with apt-get and use startx from now on. |
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| 05:21.58 | adrenaline | what is the command to remove it? |
| 05:21.59 | liable | xjkx: thats because it isnt packaged |
| 05:22.02 | jair | d0uglas: so I am using now stable |
| 05:22.16 | xjkx | liable, how am i supposed to install then |
| 05:22.28 | jair | d0uglas: but would like to know if as stable, i can install packages from unstable and testing? |
| 05:22.30 | adrenaline | I think I would rather disable it where do I do that at? |
| 05:22.57 | liable | xjkx: you compile it |
| 05:23.08 | xjkx | from where ? |
| 05:23.29 | liable | xjkx: look on the intarweb, theres a couple of people that have packaged it, but beware, you can break stuff |
| 05:23.46 | jair | I wanted to know if is a good "ghost like" for linux beside the partimage and systemimager? |
| 05:23.46 | liable | xjkx: freedesktop.org |
| 05:23.52 | foxy | I have ethereal installed and it comes up as a menu option under internet (including as root), when I try to run it as root I get a password prompt, enter the correct password and then nothing happens, this is also the behaviour I get when I try to run, for example, 'gksu emacs' or 'gksu ethereal', any ideas whats going wrong? |
| 05:23.53 | phorce1 | Kalisto: I looked at the man page and really don't see a recurse option. Probably have to script around it with find and xargs somehow. |
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| 05:24.23 | liable | foxy: hrm, theres a similar problem with kde, must be the case lib thats causing it |
| 05:24.29 | Kalisto | phorce1, yes.. that rather surprized me too... |
| 05:24.29 | xjkx | liable, do you know why its not packaged? |
| 05:24.44 | liable | xjkx: its still in development |
| 05:24.46 | foxy | liable: case lib? |
| 05:24.51 | xittum | liable: ahh yes.. then its not just on my etch machine.. kdesu |
| 05:24.52 | liable | foxy: base |
| 05:25.07 | phorce1 | adrenaline: probably easier to remove it -- it's in the configs but will require you read through most everything in /usr/share/doc/gdm to find. easy to apt-get install again if you change your mind. |
| 05:25.18 | liable | xittum: ya, check bts for kdebin-base iirc |
| 05:25.18 | xjkx | liable, ok, and when i install, how do i make that good look?i move the windows with the mouse to a 3d position? |
| 05:25.37 | adrenaline | cool thanks phorce1 |
| 05:25.48 | adrenaline | can you give me the command to remove it? |
| 05:25.49 | xittum | liable: i dont mind.. i force me to use more cli :) |
| 05:25.55 | liable | xjkx: theres a few docs out there about it, the gentoo docs are fairly good |
| 05:26.00 | phorce1 | Kalisto: it was written to wipe whole drives (shred /dev/sda) then modified to work woth individual files. Not really strange at all |
| 05:26.07 | adrenaline | is it ony apt-get remove gdm? |
| 05:26.22 | phorce1 | adrenaline: yep |
| 05:26.23 | liable | xjkx: :) |
| 05:26.23 | foxy | liable: should I file a bug report? |
| 05:26.26 | xjkx | i was seeking something simple actually |
| 05:26.26 | liable | xittum: :) |
| 05:26.28 | adrenaline | thanks |
| 05:26.52 | adrenaline | will runlevels work once I removie it? |
| 05:27.10 | liable | foxy: check the bts first |
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| 05:27.40 | foxy | liable: sorry my debian-speak isn't up to scratch, bts? |
| 05:27.50 | d0uglas | nic freaked out again... |
| 05:27.59 | wols | !bts |
| 05:27.59 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 05:27.59 | liable | foxy: bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org |
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| 05:28.02 | peterrooney | foxy: bug tracking system |
| 05:28.02 | jetscreamer | either chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm or just backup and edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 05:28.22 | jetscreamer | but wait, that would be too simple |
| 05:28.26 | jetscreamer | better not |
| 05:29.10 | d0uglas | 85% of people don't need any dm unbeknownst to them |
| 05:29.11 | liable | !dbugs 393268 |
| 05:29.14 | dpkg | #393268:N[gksu] gksu does says 'wrong password' even when correct one is tryped; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:03:30 UTC |
| 05:29.15 | liable | foxy: ^^ |
| 05:29.19 | d0uglas | according to popcorn and netcraft |
| 05:29.24 | peterrooney | jetscreamer: i always edit /etc/init.d/gdm to change HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER, myself |
| 05:29.41 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 05:30.31 | d0uglas | peeterr: maybe i can give you root and you can pico some of my confs? |
| 05:30.31 | peterrooney | jetscreamer: but i use wdm locally, and gdm chooser for remote X session |
| 05:30.31 | jetscreamer | i use gdm because the fonts are prettier in icewm somehow |
| 05:30.31 | jetscreamer | and i like the themes |
| 05:30.54 | jetscreamer | not using gdm makes for fat font |
| 05:31.12 | foxy | !dbugs 395462 |
| 05:31.15 | dpkg | #395462:I[gksu] doesn't launch any apps: cannot open display; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:03:05 UTC |
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| 05:31.33 | d0uglas | one time for the hell of it i upgraded to gdm -t experimental and i started getting these crazy silly fresh random backgrounds that really spiced up my all-too-frequent reboots |
| 05:31.44 | liable | foxy: is that the problem you get? or it doesnt accept your password? |
| 05:31.51 | d0uglas | on the login screen |
| 05:31.58 | jetscreamer | yeah they're set to random by default on sid now |
| 05:32.18 | foxy | liable, it accepts the password, just doesn't run the program, same thing with ethereal (as root) from the application menu |
| 05:32.18 | jetscreamer | etch too i think |
| 05:32.33 | d0uglas | one of them was kinda girly but nobody was looking and my l/p is asdf so i can log in really fast and get rid of it |
| 05:32.58 | liable | foxy: nothing happens at all? |
| 05:33.24 | d0uglas | except when i'm logging in remotely with a dvorak keyboard, that screws me up |
| 05:33.25 | foxy | liable, the password screen comes up, the password is accepted, and then nothing happens |
| 05:33.40 | liable | foxy: hrm, works on sid for me, you running etch? |
| 05:34.05 | foxy | liable, running sid, but my X-server is Xming on a windows box |
| 05:34.18 | jetscreamer | that art manager has others for download.. and you can delete the installed ones in the whateveritis |
| 05:34.33 | jetscreamer | spash screen manager or whatever |
| 05:34.52 | liable | foxy: eek |
| 05:35.14 | liable | foxy: did you try the -d switch? |
| 05:35.33 | d0uglas | OHHHHHHH /disco is short for disconnect! it's not a big cooperative practical joke on the part of irc client programmers platform-wide |
| 05:35.46 | foxy | liable, trying it now, where would I find the output? |
| 05:35.55 | d0uglas | jokes on me! |
| 05:36.02 | phorce1 | VERY cool foxy !! I didn't know xming was out there. I've been looking for a win32 native Xserver that didn't require cygwin or lots of $$$ |
| 05:36.11 | liable | foxy: type it in a terminal, gksu -d wireshark (as non root) |
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| 05:36.54 | foxy | liable, seg fault |
| 05:37.02 | liable | yikes |
| 05:37.11 | foxy | phorcel: works well, 1 keyboard, 1 monitor, two computers :) |
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| 05:37.35 | sid | Someone here running unstable/sid apt-get install frozen-bubble and play me on the debian-0 server |
| 05:38.08 | phorce1 | of course now I'll have to set up a real chooser at the house and dump vncserver |
| 05:38.36 | liable | heh, like the package info for that game :) |
| 05:38.57 | liable | foxy: same with other apps or just wireshark? |
| 05:39.16 | abrocadabro | I have an Intel HD sound card, I have to run alsaconf each time after I reboot my system to get my sound to work, does anyone know how to fix it so I don't have to run alsaconf upon reboot? |
| 05:39.41 | foxy | liable, same with emacs... |
| 05:40.15 | liable | foxy: and this is on a windows box you say? vnc'ing or something? |
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| 05:40.26 | disco_lights | burn baby burn |
| 05:40.36 | disco_lights | aww yeah /disco inferno |
| 05:40.38 | jair | it is a guide to install unstable on debian? how is the instalation similar than on sarge> |
| 05:40.50 | jair | ? |
| 05:40.52 | disco_lights | built in irc client sound server visualization |
| 05:40.57 | disco_lights | i didn't even know my video was configured |
| 05:40.59 | jair | I never installed etch or sid |
| 05:41.05 | disco_lights | cross-platform |
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| 05:41.25 | jair | but I want to start testing and developing with sid if is possible |
| 05:42.16 | foxy | liable, running Xming which queries my debian box for xdmp (or something) and then runs kde |
| 05:42.40 | liable | foxy: does it happen when you log directly into debian? |
| 05:43.18 | foxy | liable, I don't have a monitor attached to that computer, it's not easy for me to tell... |
| 05:43.40 | liable | foxy: i would try that before you start filing any bugs |
| 05:43.58 | foxy | liable, OK, thanks for your help ;D |
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| 05:44.09 | liable | no worries |
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| 05:45.16 | abrocadabro | is there a program in Debian that auto configures dual desktops? like the one in Fedora Core? |
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| 05:52.09 | jair | !sid |
| 05:52.09 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 05:52.44 | jair | hmm insteresting |
| 05:52.49 | jair | !unstable |
| 05:52.50 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 05:54.17 | nevyn | hrm |
| 05:54.40 | nevyn | you know for something that's not supported it get's a frightening ammoujnt of the text in here ;) |
| 05:57.15 | xittum | !experimental |
| 05:57.16 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 05:58.40 | jair | it is worth to give a try to etch?? or I can install sid and have all the latest stuff on an very unstable laptop :) |
| 05:59.12 | jair | I have a laptop with two GB ram and I want to use it to test all kind of applications, hopefully develop and work on kernel |
| 05:59.40 | cydork | jair, check what unstable factoid says.. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't! |
| 06:00.02 | Dewi | he's got a point. Install testing... it's nearly stable, and still quite new! |
| 06:00.45 | nevyn | jair: the kernel's boring ;) |
| 06:00.56 | nevyn | jair: it's high profile but the rate of change is scary. |
| 06:01.03 | nevyn | it is on most big popular projects |
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| 06:02.19 | jair | nevyn: what version of debian are you using now? |
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| 06:03.23 | jair | I think I can start or give it a try to etch? |
| 06:04.33 | liable | jair: sure try the new etch installer |
| 06:05.04 | sid | jair: What are you trying to do? |
| 06:05.35 | nevyn | jair: sid |
| 06:06.02 | nevyn | jair: everyone get's wet about the kernel and it's kinda neat. but. |
| 06:07.04 | jair | nevyn: about what kernel? |
| 06:07.37 | jair | sid: i would like to learn how to run some third party applications like for example from IBM in debian. |
| 06:07.43 | nevyn | kernels generally. |
| 06:08.10 | nevyn | but linux in particular. |
| 06:08.19 | jair | nevyn: I really woul like to create a live cd with drivers and kernel customized to the servers ibm i use |
| 06:08.37 | jair | I have a lot of bunches of servers I work with IBM |
| 06:08.39 | nevyn | don't ibm have one already? |
| 06:08.53 | jair | yes they have couple of things |
| 06:08.58 | nevyn | jair: you work for ibm or you just use their gear? |
| 06:09.02 | jair | they have a group working on debian |
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| 06:09.22 | jair | nevyn: I will say you are close |
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| 06:09.57 | jair | but the thing is that i really want to develop and continue the work of debian and IBM products and software and hardware |
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| 06:10.46 | jair | can I install etch from a usb drive? |
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| 06:11.29 | nevyn | jair: if you're looking at developing support for debian on ibm servers in the future you should definitly be using SID/unstable. that said.. you need to get up to speed on debian administration first if you havn't run it before. |
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| 06:11.52 | jair | other funny thing guys is that, I am running sarge in a laptop that was 512MB ram of memory, I turn off the machine and add up to 2GB of ram now and when i check the free comand of other commands does not shows up |
| 06:12.20 | nevyn | how much show's up? |
| 06:12.28 | jair | nevyn: i am using debian since woody, and then testing = sarge |
| 06:12.43 | jair | hold on one sec |
| 06:12.55 | nevyn | there are odd kernel requirements for >1GB ram |
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| 06:15.29 | jair | nevyn: check this please: http://rafb.net/paste/results/B2ez2g39.html |
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| 06:16.19 | jair | nevyn: my BIOS indicate 2024GB |
| 06:16.24 | jair | 2GB |
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| 06:17.41 | jair | if i will give etch a try, should download the "current weekly snapshot"? |
| 06:17.50 | jair | or just the beta 3? |
| 06:18.02 | nevyn | jair: change the kernel |
| 06:18.09 | nevyn | you need a highmem enabled kernel |
| 06:18.13 | jair | nevyn: but I want to start developing |
| 06:18.22 | nevyn | biab |
| 06:18.26 | jair | nevyn: you mean for two GB? |
| 06:18.37 | nevyn | yeah |
| 06:18.41 | jair | biab? |
| 06:18.46 | nevyn | back in a bit. |
| 06:18.47 | amphi | jair: you need CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G set in your kernel config |
| 06:18.49 | jair | ok |
| 06:18.52 | nevyn | like 30minutes |
| 06:18.56 | jair | ok |
| 06:19.00 | jair | I will be here |
| 06:19.04 | jair | amphi: hmm |
| 06:19.28 | amphi | jair: otherwise the kernel will only see 876MB or so |
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| 06:19.57 | jair | amphi: I will install the latest kernel now 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 06:20.08 | jkelley | Is there anywhere you can obtain a list of the names of core kernel developers? |
| 06:20.28 | jair | amphi: how do I enable that higmem? |
| 06:20.37 | amphi | jair: I don't know which if any of the debian kernels have that set |
| 06:20.47 | amphi | jair: I built a kernel |
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| 06:21.01 | jair | did you build it in debian sarge? |
| 06:21.06 | liable | i thought debian kernels support up to 4g? |
| 06:21.20 | jair | I am running sarge and I have a couple of docs about compiling/building a kernel |
| 06:21.33 | jair | yes that is what I though |
| 06:21.36 | amphi | liable: it's not set in /boot/config-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 06:21.39 | glitch- | what is a fast way to update yoru /usr/src directory? |
| 06:21.50 | liable | amphi: it isnt? |
| 06:22.14 | amphi | CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y |
| 06:22.27 | liable | oh, its not in my .15 debian kernel |
| 06:22.40 | liable | that blows chunks |
| 06:23.26 | amphi | liable: well, I think it makes the kernel slower on machines that don't need HIGHMEM support |
| 06:23.39 | liable | amphi: oh, never knew that |
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| 06:24.13 | jair | I will install this one: kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp? |
| 06:24.20 | amphi | liable: there may be a kernel package with such support, I don't know, I built a kernel.org one |
| 06:24.45 | liable | amphi: yeah, i build vanillas myself, only have the install kernel still installed. |
| 06:25.37 | jair | guys, so how can I chekc if the kernel have the configuration aparameter needed CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y? |
| 06:26.27 | ^_2600_^ | kubuntu freebsd???? |
| 06:26.29 | amphi | liable: yeah, I keep the install kernel too ;) |
| 06:27.02 | amphi | jair: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 06:27.11 | ^_2600_^ | !kubuntu freebsd |
| 06:27.15 | jair | amphi: ok |
| 06:27.17 | ^_2600_^ | ??? |
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| 06:28.25 | ^_2600_^ | how can i spam^H^H^H^H ctcp people without registering with nickserv |
| 06:29.18 | psychonate | ^_2600_^, try /quit |
| 06:29.19 | amphi | ^_2600_^: type /server help |
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| 06:29.45 | psychonate | hah |
| 06:29.53 | Anarka | hehhe |
| 06:29.56 | d0uglas | another one bights the dust |
| 06:29.58 | Anarka | moron ;) |
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| 06:30.10 | d0uglas | i guess they didn't teach that at the 2600 meetings |
| 06:30.23 | Anarka | ;) |
| 06:30.25 | d0uglas | or proper terminal settings for backspace |
| 06:31.00 | Anarka | bts sure sent a LOT of spam today... |
| 06:31.11 | jair | please guys these are the parameters I have to change in order to have the debian recognize my physical image. |
| 06:31.44 | amphi | jair: your physical image? |
| 06:31.47 | d0uglas | jair: wiki body dismorphic disorder |
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| 06:32.49 | cyzie | liable, u there? |
| 06:32.49 | jair | haha sorry physical memory |
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| 06:33.08 | amphi | jair: just the one I gave you above |
| 06:33.09 | d0uglas | adderall? |
| 06:33.12 | jair | this means i am amost ready to go to bed |
| 06:33.28 | d0uglas | 3:30am? i'm just gettin' started |
| 06:33.29 | jair | amphi: did you check the pasted i did? |
| 06:33.31 | d0uglas | serotonin time baby |
| 06:33.41 | jetscreamer | how do you set whether your system uses utc time or not |
| 06:33.47 | jair | d0uglas: where are you? |
| 06:33.49 | amphi | jair: yes - it contained no surprises |
| 06:33.49 | jair | located? |
| 06:33.58 | d0uglas | 13/m/manhattan |
| 06:34.12 | amphi | d0uglas: you forgot the 'u' |
| 06:34.17 | jair | ok so those are the parameters, ? and did you notice that they said "no set" |
| 06:34.18 | d0uglas | heh |
| 06:34.29 | jair | d0uglas: I see |
| 06:34.45 | d0uglas | jair j/k i'm really 16 and a half |
| 06:34.58 | amphi | jair: oh, which paste? in any case, you just need to set CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G |
| 06:35.02 | jair | good |
| 06:35.08 | amphi | d0uglas: already? |
| 06:35.14 | jair | amphi: this one: http://rafb.net/paste/results/sD3CfK57.html |
| 06:35.16 | d0uglas | next week :P |
| 06:36.22 | jair | amphi: but it is showing that the option is if is bigger than 4GB |
| 06:36.53 | amphi | jair: no, that's CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G |
| 06:37.17 | jair | ok let me set up the 4GB then |
| 06:37.25 | jair | just uncomment and then reboot |
| 06:37.26 | jair | ? |
| 06:37.38 | amphi | jair: huh? |
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| 06:38.22 | jair | if i configure that line------------>http://rafb.net/paste/results/sD3CfK57.html |
| 06:38.25 | amphi | jair: that is the config of the running kernel - you need to build a kernel with that support (or find a packaged one) |
| 06:38.34 | jair | then all I have to do is uncomment it? |
| 06:38.55 | jair | ohhh i though that i just needed to uncoment that |
| 06:39.11 | jair | then I need to compile one |
| 06:39.37 | jair | so it is not way the kernel I am using will recognize it? |
| 06:39.49 | amphi | jair: no |
| 06:40.10 | jair | i will have to restart the machine and check if the kernel 2.6.8-3-686 recognize it |
| 06:40.12 | Anarka | jair how much mem do you have ? |
| 06:40.13 | amphi | jair: there may be a debian packaged one with that support, I don't know |
| 06:40.28 | jair | Anarka: 2GB |
| 06:40.46 | jair | is a R51 IBM laptop |
| 06:40.54 | Anarka | you could try this linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 06:41.09 | Anarka | but it says from 4 to 64 gbs mem |
| 06:41.14 | xittum | new kernel ? http://pastebin.ca/225948 (but withou debian patches) |
| 06:41.15 | jair | hmm right |
| 06:41.34 | amphi | jair: that's not really what you want |
| 06:41.34 | jair | ok |
| 06:42.11 | Anarka | but the default debian kernels support until 4 gb |
| 06:42.36 | amphi | Anarka: no they don't, at least not the one I installed |
| 06:42.51 | Anarka | what version if that ? |
| 06:43.24 | Anarka | grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-2.6.18-1-686 = CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y + CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 06:43.26 | amphi | Anarka: sarge 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 06:43.31 | Anarka | ohhhh |
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| 06:43.46 | jair | this is my kernel version: Linux debianr51 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:43.54 | d0uglas | high mem? sounds like my skidmore years |
| 06:44.20 | Anarka | amphi and wich that kernel all the rest of your hw works ? |
| 06:44.25 | Anarka | with |
| 06:44.35 | jair | Anarka: so where i can find that kernel grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-2.6.18-1-686 = CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y + CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 06:44.55 | Anarka | dunno if etch alredy has it... |
| 06:44.58 | amphi | Anarka: I had to build an out of kernel driver for the ipw2200, otherwise yeah |
| 06:45.12 | amphi | Anarka: I built a vanilla kernel in any case |
| 06:45.55 | jair | amphi: i really want to learn build kernel and also wireless adapters |
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| 06:46.09 | Anarka | so there's your chance |
| 06:46.12 | amphi | jair: install kernel-package |
| 06:46.13 | jair | wireless adapter I mean build the drivers or install them etc.. |
| 06:46.14 | Anarka | or try backports |
| 06:46.15 | jair | in Linux |
| 06:46.29 | jair | amphi: kernel-package |
| 06:46.40 | amphi | jair: makes a nice deb of your kernel and modules |
| 06:46.48 | Anarka | if you really need to compile the kernel it's not that hard in debian |
| 06:46.55 | jair | amphi: nice |
| 06:47.06 | Anarka | if you don't need to compile it then it's just a waste of time :P |
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| 06:47.32 | jair | Anarka: I need to restart my machine, i will comeback in Ten to Fifteen min. |
| 06:47.42 | amphi | jair: slow boot, huh? |
| 06:47.46 | jair | I wan tto compile it |
| 06:47.59 | jair | haha nope because I need to go to the bathroom |
| 06:48.10 | amphi | jair: don't be surprised if your first kernel doesn't boot ;) |
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| 06:48.21 | jair | I will be back amphi |
| 06:48.26 | Anarka | or your second :P |
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| 06:50.30 | ^_2600_^ | :( xchat crashes on disco lights |
| 06:50.34 | d0uglas | ^_2600_^: try /disco inferno |
| 06:50.54 | d0uglas | ohhh lordy i'm good |
| 06:51.21 | liable | !beat d0uglas |
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| 06:52.16 | ^_2600_^ | d0ug same thing do i need some drivers or something |
| 06:52.19 | psychonate | ^_2600_^, no, you fool. It's /disco balls |
| 06:52.31 | psychonate | poor bastard |
| 06:52.33 | xittum | LOL |
| 06:52.33 | Anarka | lol |
| 06:52.45 | liable | you nasty fuckers :P |
| 06:52.46 | xittum | one more time ! |
| 06:52.53 | liable | no |
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| 06:53.01 | ^_2600_^ | does this not work on ati cards or something |
| 06:53.04 | liable | ^_2600_^: stop doing it |
| 06:53.12 | psychonate | ^_2600_^, must be |
| 06:53.21 | liable | ^_2600_^: they are being tards |
| 06:53.30 | psychonate | ^_2600_^, disco balls, disco inferno, disco fever all work for me |
| 06:53.56 | liable | ^_2600_^: /help disco |
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| 06:54.22 | d0uglas | ^_2600_^: you can get ati disco support on /server irc 192.168.1.1 80 |
| 06:55.23 | d0uglas | :) |
| 06:55.30 | psychonate | Humanity has reached new levels of gullibility. |
| 06:55.40 | psychonate | Earth is doomed. |
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| 06:56.18 | candyman222 | helo please anybody |
| 06:56.23 | ^_2600_^ | i keep getting "servers exhausting" messages on the 192 network |
| 06:56.28 | candyman222 | I need help with wireless |
| 06:56.41 | psychonate | ^_2600_^, IRC is hard |
| 06:56.49 | ^_2600_^ | tell me about it. |
| 06:56.54 | psychonate | I just did. |
| 06:57.01 | ^_2600_^ | oh |
| 06:57.09 | candyman222 | tried everything but cant get wpc54g to work |
| 06:57.33 | cyzie | liable, i cant join #liable |
| 06:57.46 | ^_2600_^ | what's the #liable key |
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| 06:58.23 | candyman222 | can please anydoby help |
| 06:58.34 | psychonate | ^_2600_^, alright, 'nuff jokes |
| 06:58.46 | ^_2600_^ | candyman222: sure what's the problem? |
| 06:58.59 | ^_2600_^ | wifi getting you down? |
| 06:59.13 | ^_2600_^ | I've been there! |
| 06:59.24 | candyman222 | I have Evo N800v laptop and have wpc54g to work |
| 06:59.35 | candyman222 | I downloaded ndiswrapper |
| 06:59.43 | candyman222 | installed windriver |
| 06:59.47 | liable | cyzie: the channel is still there |
| 06:59.52 | ^_2600_^ | you mean war driver? |
| 06:59.58 | cyzie | * Cannot join #liable (Channel is invite only). |
| 07:00.02 | d0uglas | no |
| 07:00.16 | candyman222 | ndiswrapper -l gives me xxxxxxx driver installed |
| 07:00.24 | liable | cyzie: try now |
| 07:00.32 | candyman222 | but still nothing in gui |
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| 07:01.13 | candyman222 | Im using backtrack but nobody wants to help so I joint the biggest channel :D |
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| 07:02.53 | wols | candyman222: are you running debian? |
| 07:03.00 | candyman222 | no |
| 07:03.04 | lanb | How can we change the loaded modules in Debian? |
| 07:03.14 | ^_2600_^ | candyman222: I had the *EXACT* same problem and somebody here told me something like "lspi" or "pcmia -r" or something i dunno then apt-get wmaloader then something about modeprobbing and it worked |
| 07:03.15 | ^_2600_^ | try that |
| 07:03.27 | wols | candyman222: then you won't get help here. go in another channel |
| 07:04.00 | wols | lanb: rmmod the modules, reload them |
| 07:04.08 | lanb | Hello, anyone know how I can change the "default" modules loaded on boot time? |
| 07:04.10 | candyman222 | _2600_ can you remember |
| 07:04.20 | wols | lanb: what are you running? |
| 07:04.25 | lanb | wols: Thank you. |
| 07:04.26 | ^_2600_^ | you mean ^_2600_^? |
| 07:04.31 | ^_2600_^ | because that's my name |
| 07:04.33 | lanb | Debian, 2.6.18 |
| 07:04.40 | wols | !nickometer ^_2600_^ |
| 07:04.42 | dpkg | '^_2600_^' is 99.740% lame, wols |
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| 07:04.52 | wols | ^_2600_^: congrats |
| 07:04.59 | candyman222 | yeah but Im not on my comp so cant find that sign |
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| 07:05.04 | candyman222 | sorry |
| 07:05.10 | ^_2600_^ | cut and paste pls |
| 07:05.18 | wols | lanb: what do you want to change exactly? |
| 07:05.26 | d0uglas | copy and paste, 2.6K |
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| 07:06.13 | wols | lanb: man modules. but you might use udev or such which is a totally different ball of wax |
| 07:06.17 | lanb | wols, sorry, I dont want the kernel automatically load all kind of modules I do not actually need |
| 07:06.19 | ^_2600_^ | Look if i'm going to give out my expert technical support I need the proper respect. |
| 07:06.43 | d0uglas | !worship ^_2600_^ |
| 07:06.43 | lanb | I am using udev |
| 07:06.51 | lanb | wols, I am using udev |
| 07:07.02 | candyman222 | oke thanks |
| 07:07.05 | lanb | that is why I have trouble with modconf.... |
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| 07:07.17 | d0uglas | candyman222: don't listen to this idiot please |
| 07:07.31 | candyman222 | can anydoby help me here or not |
| 07:07.35 | wols | d0uglas: candyman222 shouldn't be even here since he isn't running debian |
| 07:07.40 | d0uglas | what are you using again, candyman? |
| 07:07.41 | wols | candyman222: no |
| 07:07.47 | wols | he uses backtrack linux |
| 07:07.54 | candyman222 | yeah |
| 07:08.14 | wols | lanb: you'd need to edit your udev conf scripts |
| 07:08.24 | wols | or you compile a kernel without module support (not advisable) |
| 07:08.53 | lanb | wols, Thank you |
| 07:09.15 | d0uglas | isn't auditor that network hacking err securing live cd |
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| 07:10.05 | wols | lanb: don't thank me. I couldn't help you since I stay FAR away from udev for the time being |
| 07:10.06 | candyman222 | yeah something like that |
| 07:10.26 | lanb | wols, well thank you for the information. |
| 07:10.39 | ^_2600_^ | d0uglas: cool.. i found auditor.iso.exe on the web, is that what i want? |
| 07:10.46 | d0uglas | how big is it |
| 07:10.52 | ^_2600_^ | 28KB |
| 07:10.57 | d0uglas | that's the one |
| 07:10.59 | lanb | wols, it seems ok, but I still like the old modconf...sorry, I did not touch my linux box for one year. |
| 07:11.15 | lanb | so my knowledge is totally useless now... |
| 07:11.19 | cydork | woh, is it sunday already?? |
| 07:11.43 | candyman222 | this channel is useless... take care |
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| 07:12.08 | d0uglas | ^_2600_^: but if you can't get the disco lights working, that means auditor's WPA hacking feature won't be compatable with your setup |
| 07:12.22 | Anarka | lol |
| 07:12.25 | cydork | d0uglas, nice try :) |
| 07:12.32 | d0uglas | thanks |
| 07:12.46 | d0uglas | i'll be here all week |
| 07:13.57 | amphi | *snort* |
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| 07:14.13 | d0uglas | heh amphi i hear that |
| 07:14.23 | amphi | hard to believe, even when you see it with your own eyes |
| 07:15.01 | ^_2600_^ | wtf i just googled "/disco lights" auditor douglas you're a dick |
| 07:15.11 | ^_2600_^ | zero hits |
| 07:15.33 | d0uglas | did you mean disco tech? |
| 07:15.43 | amphi | ^_2600_^: don't put the '/' there, it breaks google |
| 07:15.43 | cydork | muhahah |
| 07:15.49 | amphi | damn |
| 07:15.55 | xittum | :) |
| 07:16.36 | xittum | who puts this in bash.org? |
| 07:16.38 | d0uglas | only on #debian |
| 07:17.00 | Anarka | how many times will he do that until he starts suspecting anything ? |
| 07:17.14 | d0uglas | somebody gline him out of his misery |
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| 07:18.05 | cydork | d0uglas, next time tell him gentoo is h4xors os and tell to compile the whole distro.. that should keep him busy for a while :P |
| 07:18.11 | amphi | was he not using xchat earlier? |
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| 07:18.33 | nullPointer | hi all |
| 07:19.03 | nullPointer | someone know if etch got a bug with do apt-get update? |
| 07:19.12 | d0uglas | i say we tell him about kubuntu kfreebsd |
| 07:19.49 | nullPointer | forever says "dont found thelist of packages in server" |
| 07:19.59 | Anarka | start with a dist-upgrade to experimental |
| 07:20.08 | nullPointer | use apt-get update for work correctly (?) |
| 07:20.31 | cydork | nullPointer, try changing the mirrors.. |
| 07:20.34 | amphi | nullPointer: did you try a different mirror? |
| 07:20.37 | Anarka | maybe a problem with your mirror |
| 07:20.42 | nullPointer | i changed the mirrors |
| 07:20.50 | nullPointer | but forever is equal |
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| 07:21.12 | Anarka | i always like to have at least 2 mirrors, in case on fails apt uses the next |
| 07:21.12 | nullPointer | (excuse me for my bad english) |
| 07:21.50 | nullPointer | and the connection works too |
| 07:22.02 | nullPointer | i can ping to other machines |
| 07:22.24 | liable | whats the actuall error? |
| 07:22.44 | nullPointer | forever says "dont found thelist of packages in server" |
| 07:22.55 | nullPointer | use apt-get update for work correctly (?) |
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| 07:24.00 | liable | nullPointer: paste your sources.list to a paster |
| 07:24.20 | nullPointer | oks,a moment please |
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| 07:25.41 | nullPointer | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 07:25.41 | nullPointer | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 07:25.49 | nullPointer | one |
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| 07:27.29 | nullPointer | deb http://ftp.rediris.es/debian/ etch/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 07:27.40 | ^_2600_^ | douglas: I cant get teh disco lights going and i have to go bed but will you be on tomorrow so i can IM you for help or somehting |
| 07:28.00 | liable | nullPointer: remove that non-us line, it doesnt work anymore |
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| 07:28.15 | nullPointer | oks |
| 07:28.18 | cydork | nullPointer, change etch/non-US to just etch |
| 07:28.19 | xittum | nullPointer: use etch insted af testing.. http://pastebin.ca/225992 |
| 07:29.44 | nullPointer | oks |
| 07:29.57 | nullPointer | i will probe |
| 07:30.04 | nullPointer | i'm back |
| 07:30.13 | ^_2600_^ | hey how do yoou get it to go * d0uglas instead of <d0uglas> when you talk |
| 07:30.41 | d0uglas | ^_2600_^: /disco notify [#channel] message |
| 07:30.48 | liable | ^_2600_^: /me |
| 07:32.04 | d0uglas | i just can't help myself |
| 07:32.08 | d0uglas | i know it's wrong but it feels so right |
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| 07:32.51 | d0uglas | he is right about one thing though, bedtime |
| 07:33.28 | xittum | ohh yes.. but as long as you keep up the "good work" i cant go to bed d0uglas |
| 07:34.28 | d0uglas | thanks bro but i'm about to pop my downers |
| 07:34.48 | d0uglas | before things get too trippy |
| 07:35.12 | d0uglas | doctor says i shouldn't go > 50 hours without sleep |
| 07:35.24 | d0uglas | i think he's jiving my ass but he's the MD |
| 07:36.01 | cydork | d0uglas, try polyphasic sleep :P |
| 07:36.14 | xittum | trippy.. hmm thats four hours ago.. sleep well |
| 07:37.12 | d0uglas | cydork: did i read about that on slashdot years back? the frequent power-nap plan? |
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| 07:37.55 | cydork | d0uglas, yep... i tried it for few months but then i got a job .. |
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| 07:38.15 | d0uglas | well it does require a major commitment |
| 07:38.26 | d0uglas | worse than a "woman" |
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| 07:38.59 | cydork | d0uglas, yep.. and if you have both, you are bound to run into problems :) |
| 07:39.44 | d0uglas | maybe i need a bipolar girlfriend |
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| 07:40.21 | d0uglas | what am i saying.. i already learned that one the hard way |
| 07:40.47 | famirr | hi guys, does any one knews if VBScript is supported in friefox (linux) ? |
| 07:40.52 | Dunedan | Does somebody know how to get the PHP-PDO-Extension working under Debian/unstable. I could find any package for it. Is it in unstable at all? |
| 07:40.54 | d0uglas | mood disorder support groups=/=smart place to pick up chicks |
| 07:41.04 | d0uglas | easy but not smart |
| 07:41.21 | xdr | can anyone tell me the odds on this |
| 07:41.29 | xdr | you make out with 2 ppl on one night |
| 07:41.35 | xdr | and they turn out to be cousins |
| 07:41.55 | itchi | famirr: Mostly all M$ crap is M$ crap specific and is made to not work on other systems |
| 07:41.58 | xdr | fucking wierd |
| 07:41.59 | xittum | d0uglas: hmmmmm.. i got a scratch.. thanks for the tip ;) |
| 07:42.08 | d0uglas | xdr: did they both have repeated problems running /disco lights ? |
| 07:42.23 | d0uglas | all right that's enough i'm sorry |
| 07:42.26 | famirr | itchi: ok! becouse i can't |
| 07:42.43 | xdr | d0uglas: I can't really remember |
| 07:43.02 | famirr | itchi: im learning to program and JScript workes and vbscript doesn't |
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| 07:43.40 | d0uglas | sorry ugly |
| 07:43.57 | itchi | famirr: yup yup, Take Python if you want to learn somethings realy _usefull_ and cross platform ;-) |
| 07:44.02 | d0uglas | that was a "callback" to a series of incidents a while back |
| 07:44.14 | famirr | does any one knews a good apps for comparing to files ? (in winxp im using compare it) please help me!!! |
| 07:44.23 | mutante | diff |
| 07:44.26 | famirr | itchi: im learning python haha |
| 07:44.34 | itchi | famirr: You will love it :-p |
| 07:45.05 | d0uglas | itchi: according to the google cache of the slashdot trolling phenomenon wikipedia entry, Python does not scale up as well as Perl. |
| 07:45.15 | famirr | itchi: do you knew what app can help me compare between two files ? |
| 07:45.19 | itchi | famirr: Other funny stuff are also many interesting, Perl, Bash, system stuff like awk and so. But there is many to say |
| 07:45.43 | mutante | famirr: "diff" and xxdiff - a graphical file and directories comparison and merge tool |
| 07:45.45 | itchi | famirr: diff |
| 07:45.58 | d0uglas | oh it also notes that IPv6 has too much overhead to be viable. |
| 07:46.20 | itchi | d0uglas: Maybe?? To be honnest, i not know many about Perl, still very happy with my Swiss knife :-) |
| 07:46.59 | famirr | itchi: step by step i'll get there! im a MCSE Pro that is moving to linux one month ago i didn't knew what "sudo" is haha |
| 07:47.07 | d0uglas | i know my way around an md dos .bat file and the sound command in qbasic, that's pretty much it |
| 07:47.21 | d0uglas | s/md/ms |
| 07:47.31 | itchi | famirr: You have the best tools below your hands ;-) |
| 07:47.46 | itchi | famirr: Hope your been on an GNU/Linux box |
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| 07:48.25 | famirr | itchi: GNU/Linux box ? |
| 07:48.51 | itchi | famirr: If you have just moved, do _not_ give it up; while learning the new stuff. Maybe in the begin it's very hard. Step by step you get it. And you gona see that it's usefuller |
| 07:48.52 | d0uglas | as opposed to GPL/Linux? |
| 07:48.53 | itchi | famirr: Yea |
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| 07:49.23 | itchi | Is it me or ... I not understand?? |
| 07:49.25 | famirr | itchi: GNU/Linux box ? what do you mean by it ? |
| 07:50.02 | itchi | famirr: GNU = (example) diff, tar, ... Linux is only the kernel that manage the hardware |
| 07:50.31 | george_ | GNU is an organization that makes unix-like tools, among other things |
| 07:50.32 | itchi | famirr: I not understand what you mean with it lol :-p It's also late here;-) |
| 07:51.45 | d0uglas | !:P |
| 07:51.46 | dpkg | somebody said :p was it implies the last thing i said was a dumb joke, but directly represents me sticking out my tongue |
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| 07:52.26 | d0uglas | dpkg has everything covered |
| 07:52.40 | george_ | there's gnu diff, gnu make, gnu cc, etc... debian does use these, RMS had requested that OSes which use gnu tools name their os GNU/theOSname |
| 07:53.29 | cydork | dpkg, you rock! |
| 07:53.30 | dpkg | cydork: aw, gee |
| 07:53.30 | itchi | Debian GNU/Linux ?? |
| 07:53.38 | george_ | right |
| 07:53.47 | d0uglas | do .m4as tend to have drm built in? |
| 07:53.54 | hq4ever | Hi, a quick fetch mail question: It can pull mail from pop, imap and co. but in what format can it store this email? can I tell it to act as an MTA, i.e. pull from X and then SMTP it to Y ? |
| 07:54.39 | george_ | fetchmail -uses- an MTA to deliver received mail to |
| 07:54.55 | d0uglas | x, y? what is this, algebra? |
| 07:55.12 | itchi | There's an need for an factoid for 'geek video\'s' :-) |
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| 07:55.29 | itchi | d0uglas: Possition? |
| 07:55.39 | itchi | oeps |
| 07:56.03 | roxy_ | in my kernel log I have a lot of: parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio . |
| 07:56.04 | itchi | I read form bottom to the top, arg |
| 07:56.08 | roxy_ | Why ? |
| 07:56.34 | itchi | roxy_: Somethings with your parallel port? |
| 07:56.37 | george_ | itchi: here would be a set of 20: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ |
| 07:57.18 | roxy_ | itchi: would usb be considered parallel ? |
| 07:57.25 | george_ | nope |
| 07:57.29 | george_ | uSb |
| 07:57.32 | itchi | roxy_: Printer |
| 07:57.32 | george_ | serial |
| 07:57.47 | roxy_ | itchi: my printer is usb as everything else. |
| 07:57.57 | wols | roxy_: PCI is parallel, parport is |
| 07:58.01 | itchi | roxy_: I guess somethings with your printer port. Or maybe somethings others you have connected to that serial port |
| 07:58.16 | wols | mostly newer interfaces go all serial. even if they bundle several (PCI-E 16x for example) |
| 07:58.27 | george_ | do you have anything connected to your parallel port? |
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| 07:58.54 | roxy_ | wols: how can I know which pci it is ? lspci is long . |
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| 07:59.10 | itchi | george_: My birhtdate :-p good date :-) |
| 07:59.18 | VIm_Enforcer | oy |
| 07:59.33 | wols | roxy_: parport has nothing to do with PCI per se |
| 07:59.42 | d0uglas | is there a blu-ray radio in development or has hd sealed a lock on this market as well |
| 08:00.05 | roxy_ | wols: can I just safely ignore the log ? |
| 08:00.31 | george_ | if you have nothing connected to the parallel port and everything else seems to be working, |
| 08:00.33 | george_ | yes |
| 08:00.52 | roxy_ | cool. thanks |
| 08:00.57 | wols | george_: the question is why something is writing to parport. I guess misconfigured CUPS |
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| 08:01.02 | monokrome | !hug |
| 08:01.04 | monokrome | :D |
| 08:01.05 | wols | but you can ignore it if you want |
| 08:01.10 | george_ | hmm, good point |
| 08:01.35 | itchi | Yeah, and like it's when my wife complain, probably are there an reason |
| 08:01.35 | george_ | !bug |
| 08:01.36 | dpkg | i guess bug is bad news |
| 08:01.45 | d0uglas | instead of fiber optic lines why didn't the man wire the net up with IDE cable |
| 08:02.06 | wols | yes. it would be so muhc faster. 133MB/s OMG! |
| 08:02.17 | george_ | itchi: what's about your birthdate? |
| 08:02.51 | d0uglas | 133MB/s my hard drive would shatter from the rotational inertia |
| 08:02.54 | itchi | george_: s/birthdate/birthyear More clearly, Saw that year in the link on the top of the document |
| 08:02.56 | wols | took us long enough to get where SCSI was around 15 years ago |
| 08:02.59 | d0uglas | sorry i meant EIDI |
| 08:03.16 | wols | EIDE/PATA/ATA all the same crap |
| 08:03.36 | d0uglas | what about ATAPI |
| 08:03.37 | wols | sata is at least halfway sane :) |
| 08:03.43 | wols | ATAPI = ATA |
| 08:04.03 | george_ | sata is repackaged ide :P |
| 08:04.11 | VIm_Enforcer | sata is serial eide |
| 08:04.13 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 08:04.33 | wols | with some important enhancement. like command queueing |
| 08:04.36 | d0uglas | what about that new vga cable connection plug on my lcd that is wider and has a lot more pins.. would that carry a lot of throughput, theoretically? |
| 08:04.38 | george_ | they wanted something incompatible with pata maybe |
| 08:04.49 | wols | and less of an IRQ mess |
| 08:05.12 | george_ | d0uglas: maybe that's a digital connector |
| 08:05.25 | wols | d0uglas: do you mean DVI? |
| 08:05.35 | george_ | is it more rectangular and less D shaped? |
| 08:05.43 | wols | your old one carries more data (theoretically) since it's analog :) |
| 08:06.05 | d0uglas | but wouldn't I lose some dynamic range with digital |
| 08:06.14 | george_ | maybe |
| 08:06.32 | george_ | depends on what the digital range is mapped to on the analog side |
| 08:06.45 | wols | you (theoretically) lose colors |
| 08:06.57 | wols | but gain in sharpness a lot. and it's cheaper for higher res |
| 08:07.14 | george_ | maybe you have -more- dynamic range, but a finite number of points in that range |
| 08:07.20 | wols | however I doubt you can distinguish 16mio colors, so you don#t really lose anything |
| 08:07.25 | d0uglas | but to mount my 1978 laserdiscs i definitely want analog right |
| 08:07.39 | wols | even if some argue that it'S not enough for greens. but one could always define a color format with more bytes |
| 08:08.03 | wols | you won't find a digital out laserdisc player |
| 08:08.24 | wols | plus LCDs (digital) _do_ have worse colors than crts (analog) |
| 08:08.32 | d0uglas | what about a laser no-needle vinyl reader |
| 08:08.54 | wols | that's audio no? |
| 08:09.02 | wols | are laserdiscs made of vinyl? |
| 08:09.04 | george_ | those output analog audio |
| 08:09.06 | d0uglas | not with the right codecs |
| 08:09.16 | d0uglas | you can hack vinyl can't you |
| 08:09.24 | wols | if it's analog what has your monitor to do with it? |
| 08:09.38 | george_ | but don't hack too hard... vinyl is plastic after all |
| 08:09.42 | wols | vinyl doesn't have the data density needed for video |
| 08:10.08 | george_ | well not recorded as audio is |
| 08:10.19 | d0uglas | i guess what i'm trying to find out is do I need my LPT cables to handle the high bitrates of overclocking my turntables |
| 08:10.23 | itchi | d0uglas: It's of white color insid? |
| 08:10.35 | wols | d0uglas: stop trolling |
| 08:10.51 | liable | wols: took ya long enough.. :P |
| 08:10.55 | d0uglas | all right i'm done good night |
| 08:11.10 | george_ | likely story :P |
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| 08:12.14 | george_ | get some hardware knowledge under your belt so that you know what cables and what connectors are for what |
| 08:12.14 | wols | liable: well it's nearing sunday. and I've seen the stuff d0uglas asked before.... |
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| 08:12.33 | george_ | funday! |
| 08:12.39 | wols | !funday |
| 08:12.47 | wols | george_: doesn't exist |
| 08:12.55 | george_ | I do too! |
| 08:13.39 | d0uglas | oh come on wols "I do too!" you need me here and you know it |
| 08:13.57 | wols | as a bad example to newbies? |
| 08:14.06 | wols | you might be right |
| 08:14.13 | george_ | or a bad example of a newbie? :) |
| 08:14.23 | d0uglas | zing, george_ |
| 08:14.34 | wols | !if you don't behave, you end up like d0uglas over there" |
| 08:14.41 | wols | /!/" |
| 08:15.45 | d0uglas | george_ you're really busting my balls hard with this onslaught |
| 08:15.57 | d0uglas | below the belt, buddy |
| 08:16.09 | wols | which is all the more surprising considering there are no balls to bust! |
| 08:16.09 | dooglus | I just ran an apt-get dist-upgrade; it tells me it is keeping 'apt-file' back |
| 08:16.15 | george_ | I don't mean to... really... |
| 08:16.17 | wols | george_: how did you manage this feat? |
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| 08:16.30 | d0uglas | how am i supposed to get any sleep without being able to defend my Good Name on freenode |
| 08:16.40 | wols | what Good Name? |
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| 08:16.47 | dooglus | it turns out that I need to remove package 'libconfigfile-perl' and install package 'libconfig-file-perl'. isn't that exactly the kind of thing which dist-upgrade should do for me? |
| 08:16.58 | wols | note to d0uglas: never troll shortly before sleeping time? |
| 08:17.05 | george_ | actually it is |
| 08:17.28 | d0uglas | but i started this morning |
| 08:17.35 | d0uglas | i mean like 18 hours ago |
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| 08:18.04 | george_ | so this has been an 18-hour troll session? I admire yuour persistance... |
| 08:18.15 | itchi | hehe |
| 08:18.44 | george_ | I'm not even reading between the lines here... you're -saying- as much |
| 08:18.49 | wols | george_: obsessive compulise trollness. It's in the DSM now |
| 08:18.51 | d0uglas | you underestimate the playability life of the disco lights |
| 08:18.55 | wols | GNAA put it in there |
| 08:19.09 | dooglus | is there some way I can find out what 'apt-get dist-upgrade' is supposed to do, so I can know whether to report what is happening as a bug or not? |
| 08:19.12 | wols | *compulsive |
| 08:19.22 | d0uglas | oh good maybe i can get insurance to cover my ISP bills |
| 08:19.23 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: --dry-run; man apt-get |
| 08:19.27 | wols | dooglus: what are you upgrading? etch? sid? |
| 08:19.38 | linuxmigration | wols: isn't DSM-IV still current? |
| 08:19.38 | dooglus | wols: sid |
| 08:19.46 | d0uglas | linuxmigration: NO |
| 08:19.51 | wols | linuxmigration: no clu. I'm european |
| 08:19.53 | d0uglas | dsm-iv-tr |
| 08:19.55 | d0uglas | text revision |
| 08:20.15 | d0uglas | i clock in at 296.4 |
| 08:20.16 | linuxmigration | heh |
| 08:20.18 | wols | dooglus: no one ever promised sid repos to be consistent or even work |
| 08:20.19 | d0uglas | at least |
| 08:20.36 | dooglus | wols: --dry-run shows the same as without --dry-run; and the man page just tells me "apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system" but doesn't go into details |
| 08:20.56 | george_ | sid begs your pardon... it never promised you a rose garden |
| 08:21.14 | wols | but it's damn good at breaking your toys |
| 08:21.21 | dooglus | wols: the repos seem to be fine. a dependancy has changed, but dist-upgrade isn't doing what needs to be done, ie. removing the old conflicting dep and installing the new one |
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| 08:21.33 | d0uglas | scud's even better |
| 08:21.41 | d0uglas | it's so fresh the name isn't even official |
| 08:21.59 | wols | dooglus: it's sid, the repo is NOT fine by definition. it breaks. regularly |
| 08:22.09 | george_ | dooglus: it's not supposed to guess tho |
| 08:22.14 | dooglus | wols: I mean *in this case* it's fine |
| 08:22.27 | wols | no it's not fine or you ugrade wout "Just work" |
| 08:22.34 | dooglus | george_: what is it supposed to do? is that documented anywhere? |
| 08:22.46 | craigevil | dooglus: what package is giving you problems? |
| 08:23.28 | george_ | the packages define what they depend on, what they conflict with, what they replace |
| 08:23.44 | george_ | dist-upgrade looks at that data |
| 08:23.44 | dooglus | craigevil: apt-file in sid - it used to depend on 'libconfigfile-perl', now it depends on 'libconfig-file-perl' (which conflicts with 'libconfigfile-perl') |
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| 08:24.21 | craigevil | ah never installed apt-file |
| 08:24.27 | george_ | so, just remove libconfigfile-perl |
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| 08:24.33 | wols | dooglus: and why can't you manually fix it? sounds easy to do |
| 08:24.33 | brendonjt | hi all who here is from new zealand |
| 08:24.42 | wols | !polls |
| 08:24.42 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 08:24.44 | dooglus | craigevil: it looks to me like the obvious course of action in this case is to remove the old dep and install the new. but apt-get dist-upgrade just keeps apt-file back... |
| 08:24.48 | george_ | or remove both that and apt-file |
| 08:24.57 | dooglus | craigevil: shouldn't it do the remove and install? I'm sure it used to |
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| 08:25.05 | george_ | (be sure to purge them) |
| 08:25.09 | george_ | then install apt-file |
| 08:25.12 | mazza[W] | hokay |
| 08:25.18 | mazza[W] | so i just install debian |
| 08:25.19 | george_ | this might not work |
| 08:25.29 | mazza[W] | ed* |
| 08:25.30 | wols | !beer mazza[W] |
| 08:25.32 | mazza[W] | and i'm migrating everything over from slackware |
| 08:25.36 | craigevil | not if its a weird dependency loop, try what george_ said |
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| 08:25.52 | mazza[W] | first thing |
| 08:26.01 | dooglus | george_: I can work around the problem by simply "apt-get install apt-file" - that works, but I'm asking about why dist-upgrade isn't doing what I expect it to - whether that's a bug in dist-upgrade, or a bug in my expectations. |
| 08:26.02 | george_ | migrating? |
| 08:26.08 | brendonjt | hey there guys i keep getting timed outs and the likes connecting to the main new zealand server getting my updates is there any other servers i can use? |
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| 08:26.17 | glick | hello |
| 08:26.17 | mazza[W] | migrating/installing/transfering |
| 08:26.22 | mazza[W] | so, configuring network interfaces. |
| 08:26.27 | wols | !mirrors |
| 08:26.28 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 08:26.33 | george_ | dooglus: it's a (temporary) problem with the dependencies |
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| 08:26.42 | wols | !tell mazza[W] about enter |
| 08:26.45 | dooglus | george_: go on? |
| 08:26.54 | brendonjt | i am using testing |
| 08:27.13 | glick | hey do you think a 233mhz laptop with cdrom drives removed, floppies, and lcd removed would need alot of power? |
| 08:27.21 | george_ | the information about dependencies is a big tree, each node is stored in a package |
| 08:27.29 | wols | glick: #hardware |
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| 08:27.50 | brendonjt | !apt-spy |
| 08:27.51 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your ... |
| 08:27.57 | cjari | hello |
| 08:28.14 | george_ | well in some (bad) cases it's a graph, not a tree... |
| 08:28.36 | dooglus | george_: I know. but what's the problem? looks to me like libconfigfile-perl has been renamed to libconfig-file-perl. that's not a problem is it? that's the kind of thing that I've seen dist-upgrade handle gracefully in the past. |
| 08:28.59 | d0uglas | wow that dpkg entry is in the greatest need of disambiguation.. or something. |
| 08:29.00 | wols | dooglus: wrong dependency information in sid. that's all |
| 08:29.05 | dooglus | george_: that's exactly the kind of thing that dist-upgrade is for, compared to a simple 'upgrade' |
| 08:29.10 | dooglus | wols: what's wrong with it? |
| 08:29.22 | cjari | I installed debian on a old computer and after the isntall I installed iceWM and x base system but the x wont start. Something is wrong with the "dev/input/mice" |
| 08:29.23 | george_ | dooglus: the graceful handling is prearranged... that just hasn't been done yet |
| 08:29.24 | wols | dooglus: not set properly? |
| 08:29.37 | dooglus | wols: specifically, I mean. |
| 08:29.38 | george_ | OR, the deps just need to be fixed in the packages |
| 08:29.39 | wols | cjari: load mousedev |
| 08:30.13 | cjari | wols: ok I'll try that, thanks |
| 08:30.29 | dooglus | the reason I suspect a problem with dist-upgrade is that I recently ran a dist-upgrade on my debian partition, and that also held back a whole load of packages, which I've not seen it do before. |
| 08:30.35 | wols | !tell cjari about mousedev |
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| 08:31.12 | dooglus | dist-upgrade used to be good at removing old packages and replacing them with new ones, but in recent months it seems to have got a lot more conservative with what it's willing to do |
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| 08:31.31 | liable | dooglus: dist-upgrade did handle that for me |
| 08:31.35 | dooglus | oops. s/debian/ubuntu/ in last but one utterance |
| 08:31.39 | root_ | Hello! I am interested in trying Linux! Where can I go to upload an "iso" of whatever the latest nightly of the development net installer of the Experimental distribution? And do I have to use Nero to burn this "iso" or can I just drag it onto my D: drive? |
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| 08:31.43 | liable | well, aptitude did anyway |
| 08:31.50 | george_ | dooglus: you're running sid... expect those things... expect bad dependencies, expect literal breakage, and expect moments of rest where things work better than is normally expected for the dist with the most action in it |
| 08:31.59 | eggleston | i've just turned my Pc on and XMMS is saying to check if my sound card is configured properly and that i'm using the correct sound output. wtf should i do? it worked before i turned it off |
| 08:32.15 | dooglus | liable: I'm talking about 'apt-get dist-upgrade' here. I believe aptitude uses completely separate code to decide what to install/remove |
| 08:32.29 | itchi | I want to share the CPU of some computers (clusters??). To which package need i to look too? I googled it but to many unrelated stuff |
| 08:33.07 | dooglus | george_: I'm asking whether there's documentation for what apt-get dist-upgrade should do. if I can find such documentation then I can check current behaviour against it, and report a good bug if the behaviour isn't correct. |
| 08:33.14 | root_ | And can I lay the "Experimental" package onto my fat32 (windows XP) filesystem or do I have to format C: to use Linux? |
| 08:33.21 | george_ | dooglus: apt-get was originally intended as a test of the apt libraries that got way wayyyy popular very quickly |
| 08:33.22 | dooglus | george_: I understand that sid is unstable, and that it might contain buggy packages |
| 08:33.25 | liable | oh dear 2006 is back |
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| 08:33.49 | dooglus | liable: which year have you been in? |
| 08:33.54 | root_ | LOL i 0wned you liable |
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| 08:34.05 | eggleston | does anyone know a reason why OSS would suddenly stop working when it worked last time i used the computer and all i've done since is watch videos and surf the web? |
| 08:34.08 | liable | root_: you didnt pwn anyone |
| 08:34.11 | itchi | root_: If you want to try somethings new. First begin with somethings stable. Debian have 3 releases. Stable/Testing/Unstable/ It's not yet recomended to use the unstable, because some time little things break and you need to fix it if you know how. |
| 08:34.18 | itchi | shit |
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| 08:34.27 | itchi | Now saw the nick |
| 08:34.31 | ^_2600_^ | "pwn" you think you're so leet but i am 31337 |
| 08:34.33 | tralala | itchi, aptitude search ~dcluster |
| 08:34.41 | itchi | tralala: Cool thanks |
| 08:34.53 | eggleston | ^_2600_^, ur a n00b, i'd pwn you anyday |
| 08:35.15 | ^_2600_^ | eggleston: yah right maybe with your aimbot |
| 08:35.22 | dooglus | george_: what's your point? |
| 08:35.30 | ^_2600_^ | but my hacked quake server would detect that and zline your ass |
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| 08:35.42 | itchi | tralala: Mean you 'dcluster'? |
| 08:35.59 | eggleston | ^_2600_^, what's an aimbot? i just use pure pwnage skillz to pwn n00bs like you |
| 08:36.06 | tralala | itchi, no |
| 08:36.13 | eggleston | why did dondek get banned? |
| 08:36.15 | george_ | that apt-get doesn't have the final algorithm for dep resolution |
| 08:36.36 | liable | eggleston: um, he did the banning.. |
| 08:36.42 | george_ | ^_2600_^, umm, camn't speak at the moment |
| 08:36.48 | brendonjt | !sources.list |
| 08:36.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. |
| 08:37.13 | dondelelcaro | george_: libapt is what contains the dependency resolution; apt-get is just a frontend to libapt. |
| 08:37.27 | dooglus | george_: do you mean that the intended behaviour of apt-get isn't written anywhere, and so it's not possible to say whether what it does is right or not? |
| 08:37.47 | d0uglas | ^_2600_^: in order to send a message after being banned, you need to /disco overrideban |
| 08:37.50 | itchi | !tell brendonjt -about selftell |
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| 08:38.24 | tralala | it he a regular weekend troll? |
| 08:38.26 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: please don't do that either. |
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| 08:38.44 | d0uglas | ok donde |
| 08:39.24 | george_ | dooglus: I'm trying to say that the database used by apt-get and friends is stored in each package |
| 08:39.29 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: it's in the code; however, dist-upgrade may not always do the "right" thing... what it does is perform the best scoring action acording to its internal metric. |
| 08:39.35 | mazza[W] | what's the best place to put a firewall script to be run on bootup? |
| 08:40.08 | dondelelcaro | mazza[W]: call it from the up hook of /etc/network/interfaces; or write a init.d script. |
| 08:40.11 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: is there any way to see more detail about that? either with some kind of '--show-details' flag, or some docs about it? |
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| 08:40.31 | threw | hi all : |
| 08:40.33 | threw | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.35 | george_ | dooglus: if it's not working in sid, that may or may not be a known problem, dist-upgrade does NOT resolve that issue, a thinking person who maintains the package has to |
| 08:40.35 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: the --dry-run shows you what it's going to do; use the debug flags if you want to see why it did it. |
| 08:40.57 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: if you actually have a real problem, it'd help, though, if you displayed the output from apt-get. /msg dpkg bat; for details. |
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| 08:41.15 | cjari | now that I look in the xfree86 log it appears that the mouse was loaded, however when I use the startx command the screen just goes black and what I did next was ctrl+alt+backspace to return tot he console |
| 08:41.25 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: I searched 'man apt-get' but there's no match for "debug" in there at all |
| 08:41.45 | george_ | it's likely the problem is not in apt-get; if you are running sid the thing to do is wait until it does get resolved, which it will in time |
| 08:42.18 | itchi | dooglus: Have you try to remove that package? |
| 08:42.31 | threw | has anyone has an idea please ? |
| 08:42.35 | mirak | couldn't apt invoke meld for exemple to merge graphically differencies in configuration files ? |
| 08:42.41 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: it's apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true; |
| 08:43.02 | dondelelcaro | mirak: apt doesn't have anything to do with that; that's the packages and dpkg. |
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| 08:43.23 | mirak | dondelelcaro: so dpkg |
| 08:43.24 | dondelelcaro | !tell dooglus -about bat |
| 08:43.26 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Is apt writen in Perl? |
| 08:43.31 | dondelelcaro | itchi: no. |
| 08:43.35 | cjari | the xfree86 log says that fonts failed to load, could that be why the screen goes black? |
| 08:43.45 | george_ | C and C++ iirc |
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| 08:43.48 | itchi | dondelelcaro: That's been ^^ Perl syntax?? |
| 08:44.30 | itchi | cjari: Maybe, have you the base-fonts installed? |
| 08:44.38 | dondelelcaro | itchi: sure, but it's just two colons... |
| 08:44.45 | dondelelcaro | lots of languages use two colons. |
| 08:44.48 | cjari | itchi, checking |
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| 08:44.58 | itchi | cjari: Sorry it's xfonts-base |
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| 08:45.36 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Maybe, i not know many of ;-) |
| 08:45.37 | dondelelcaro | mirak: see #32877 |
| 08:45.48 | george_ | I'm positive perl got :: second-hand from c++ and c-with-classes |
| 08:46.22 | cjari | itchi it cannot find package by that name |
| 08:46.30 | cjari | oh right, sorry |
| 08:46.41 | mazza[W] | dondelelcaro: does network interface initialization happen before rc scripts? |
| 08:46.46 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: here's the information: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
| 08:46.49 | itchi | cjari: My first message was not yet clear, an confusing ;-) |
| 08:46.50 | dooglus | um... |
| 08:46.57 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: here: http://s89213869.onlinehome.us/dist-upgrade.txt |
| 08:47.05 | dondelelcaro | mazza[W]: depends at what point you call it. |
| 08:47.13 | cjari | itchi strange it cannot find xbase-fonts either |
| 08:47.23 | dondelelcaro | mazza[W]: rc scripts bring up the network, so you can either do so before, or after. |
| 08:47.24 | mazza[W] | dondelelcaro: er rephrase, rcS happens before rc1? |
| 08:47.27 | cjari | err sorry again |
| 08:47.30 | dondelelcaro | mazza[W]: yes. |
| 08:47.38 | mazza[W] | goodo |
| 08:47.39 | dooglus | itchi: I've not tried removing any package, no; my aim isn't to upgrade apt-file; my aim is to determine whether apt-get dist-upgrade is doing what it should or not. |
| 08:47.44 | itchi | cjari: Ug, there is another confusing it's xfonts-base |
| 08:48.02 | dooglus | itchi: if I wanted to work around the problem, I could, but I want to see whether it really is a problem with apt-get, and if so, to fix it. |
| 08:48.09 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: you're using sid. The packages that apt-file depends on have not moved out of new yet. |
| 08:48.12 | cjari | itchi ok that is installed |
| 08:48.19 | george_ | dooglus: it's nontrivial to determine that in your case specifically since you are running sid |
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| 08:48.36 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: the packages are available. |
| 08:49.06 | itchi | cjari: So it was not installed? You can check it with dpkg -l xfonts-base |
| 08:49.22 | cjari | hmm is there anyway I could copy the log file from linux machine that has only console to net or to windows machine? |
| 08:49.35 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: yes, but somethign else almost definetly depends upon libconfigfile-perl, which is keeping libconfig-file-perl from being installed. |
| 08:49.35 | itchi | cjari: scp |
| 08:49.46 | itchi | cjari: Look for the 'putty' tools |
| 08:49.47 | cjari | itchi sorry - once again - it was and it is installed :) |
| 08:50.14 | cjari | ok thanks |
| 08:50.14 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: no, that's not the case. nothing installed depends on it. check http://s89213869.onlinehome.us/dist-upgrade.txt again - I've added the output of aptitude dist-upgrade to the end; aptitude is quite happy to 'do what's right' |
| 08:50.15 | d0uglas | man dooglus your nick is tripping me out |
| 08:50.19 | itchi | cjari: You need some tool to access remotely cli to the box. |
| 08:50.23 | dooglus | d0uglas: likewise :) |
| 08:50.32 | cjari | I have putty installed |
| 08:50.59 | cjari | and I can go reading the log file but not copy much at a time |
| 08:51.00 | itchi | cjari: And also scp? |
| 08:51.05 | cjari | hmm |
| 08:51.09 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: that's because aptitude's scoring metric is slightly different from libapt's. |
| 08:51.16 | itchi | cjari: Or maybe 'winscp', it's an gui interface for the M$ |
| 08:51.42 | itchi | cjari: scp is the tool for secure copy (scp) |
| 08:51.47 | dondelelcaro | (it's also why using aptitude is generally much better than using apt) |
| 08:51.50 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: my point is that since aptitude is happy to uninstall the old dep without uninstalling anything else, it must be the case that nothing else I have installed depends on that dep, right? |
| 08:52.56 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: sure; then you're just running into the case that the removal of libconfigfile-perl for libconfig-file-perl adds enough negative to offset upgrading apt-file; aptitude calculates the score slightly differently, and so it upgrades. |
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| 08:53.33 | cjari | itchi thanks for all the help, i'll look in to these things |
| 08:53.41 | itchi | cjari: Once you have it, in the dos box, scp username@computer:/var/log/bla_log . |
| 08:53.45 | dondelelcaro | this is YA reason why we suggest using aptitude instead of apt-get. |
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| 08:54.10 | george_ | doesn't aptitude keep a local database for something? |
| 08:54.25 | dondelelcaro | george_: of some things, but that has little bearing here. |
| 08:54.27 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Just a bit sad that informations always talk to use apt. |
| 08:54.48 | dondelelcaro | itchi: old information; all of the release notes and everything else talks about using aptitude. |
| 08:55.07 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: OK, I'm going to have to go out for a bit now; thanks for that Debug::??? setting - I'll try it out when I get back. |
| 08:55.11 | george_ | apt is going to do the right thing, apt-get was only a lib test |
| 08:55.24 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yup, i have change my head info's also ;-) |
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| 09:00.14 | itchi | And btw, apt-get ... is longer to type as aptitude :-p |
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| 09:01.47 | mazza[W] | argh |
| 09:01.48 | itchi | I not yet find any usefull package or info to make some clusters. Someone tips/url/apps to go to? |
| 09:02.02 | mazza[W] | how does one stop the home key printed ~ |
| 09:02.05 | mazza[W] | s/ed/ing/ |
| 09:03.05 | itchi | mazza[W]: What mean you? |
| 09:03.46 | mazza[W] | whenever hit home at a shell prompt it prints ~ |
| 09:03.57 | mazza[W] | instead of actually going to the start of the line |
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| 09:05.38 | NameTab | does one of you have experience setting up two screens on a laptop with an S3 Savage chipset? |
| 09:05.46 | NameTab | I tried different howto's, but I can't get it to work correctly |
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| 09:06.23 | itchi | NameTab: What mean you with "I can't get it to work correctly"? |
| 09:06.41 | xdr | NameTab: what do you need to know? |
| 09:06.59 | xdr | NameTab: it's probably a via km400 chipset btw |
| 09:07.13 | xdr | NameTab: at least my "s3 savage" is a via km400 |
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| 09:07.25 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 09:07.37 | DaBlade | After apt-get upgrade, I'm getting this error when I try to start X: |
| 09:07.58 | DaBlade | Fatal server error: |
| 09:07.58 | DaBlade | could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 09:08.06 | NameTab | well, when I first plugged in my 19" crt monitor it was a clear clone of my laptop screen, but running at 1024x768 |
| 09:08.10 | babilen | hi there! |
| 09:08.13 | DaBlade | How do I restore that font? |
| 09:08.16 | itchi | DaBlade: You not have that font. Install it |
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| 09:08.30 | DaBlade | itchi: What's the package name? |
| 09:08.36 | itchi | DaBlade: Or maybe, #comment that line in the xfree/xorg config file?? |
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| 09:08.49 | NameTab | when I tried different howto's, I sometimes got a different screen which I couldn't lock, or at some point actually a desktop extension running @ 1600x1200, which looks pretty good |
| 09:08.54 | DaBlade | itchi: That could work too, but is it an important font? |
| 09:09.17 | NameTab | but it doesn't work, the fluxbox menu jumps all over te screen and as soon as I start any app my laptop screen messes up bigtime |
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| 09:09.26 | babilen | i want to have apache1 and apache2 running at the same time, but have problems installing mod_python for both. whenever i want to install the apache2 module the apache1 module is slated for removal.. |
| 09:09.32 | babilen | anyhting i can do to prevent this? |
| 09:10.02 | itchi | DaBlade: Depending how you see it. Fixed fonts are for example used for <pre>bla</pre> tags |
| 09:10.04 | DaBlade | It's not in xorg.conf |
| 09:10.39 | itchi | Sorry for my sphahetti english :-p |
| 09:11.28 | itchi | DaBlade: Try to do and search on fixed fonts. And look if these package are installed with dpkg -l <pkg> ?? I not know which package it is |
| 09:11.30 | DaBlade | itchi: No problem |
| 09:11.38 | DaBlade | I did, can't find it |
| 09:11.59 | itchi | DaBlade: I think it's xfonts-terminus but realy not sure |
| 09:12.43 | DaBlade | itchi: I doubt it is |
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| 09:12.46 | Cometo | hi |
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| 09:13.25 | itchi | DaBlade: I'm interested in your xorg config file. Can you pastebin it? |
| 09:13.36 | DaBlade | itchi: I can try to dcc it to you |
| 09:13.41 | itchi | yup |
| 09:13.51 | DaBlade | Also, the Xorg log if that's of interest |
| 09:13.59 | Cometo | I can't install the nvidia-glx package because there is no matching kernel. how can i fix that problem? |
| 09:14.00 | itchi | DaBlade: Also ;-) |
| 09:14.15 | itchi | Cometo: Which release? |
| 09:14.22 | valdyn | Cometo: the error is different , read again and tell us or paste the error |
| 09:14.39 | DaBlade | Cometo: Perhaps you could use nvidia's installer |
| 09:14.43 | Cometo | i don't know probably 87.... i just do apt-get install nvida-glx |
| 09:14.58 | itchi | Cometo: On Sarge? |
| 09:15.07 | Cometo | on testing |
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| 09:15.31 | cydork | !tell Cometo about etch nvidia |
| 09:16.16 | mazza[W] | what's the latest kernel-image version and how do i get apt to install it |
| 09:16.30 | valdyn | !tell mazza[W] -about search |
| 09:16.53 | mazza[W] | surely 2.6.8 isn't the latest |
| 09:17.00 | valdyn | !latest |
| 09:17.00 | dpkg | i heard latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 09:17.03 | SubStack | 2.6.19 I think |
| 09:17.06 | itchi | DaBlade: Have you the xfonts-base installed? |
| 09:17.11 | DaBlade | Yes |
| 09:17.17 | mazza[W] | how do i get devel packages? |
| 09:17.35 | cydork | mazza[W], if you are using sarge that's latest |
| 09:17.36 | valdyn | !tell mazza[W] -about smart questions |
| 09:18.05 | itchi | DaBlade: Can you pastebin the output of dpkg -l xfonts* So that i compare here |
| 09:18.19 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 09:18.19 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
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| 09:18.43 | itchi | I guess xfonts-base to reinstall |
| 09:18.44 | DaBlade | itchi: no packages found matching xfonts |
| 09:19.00 | itchi | DaBlade: Typo |
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| 09:19.24 | valdyn | itchi: look at the FontPath lines in his xorg.conf, had that before anyway |
| 09:19.32 | mazza[W] | ah i see |
| 09:19.35 | mazza[W] | 'testing' |
| 09:19.50 | itchi | valdyn: There are less lines |
| 09:20.30 | valdyn | itchi / DaBlade : FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" should ought to be there |
| 09:20.51 | itchi | That's his xorg config file http://pastebin.ca/226094 |
| 09:20.57 | valdyn | itchi: thanks |
| 09:21.20 | DaBlade | itchi: Well, I did ls | grep fix and there was nothing |
| 09:21.31 | valdyn | DaBlade: your FontPath lines are false |
| 09:21.34 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.38 | itchi | Here it is so ^^ |
| 09:21.54 | DaBlade | valdyn: So what are the correct ones? |
| 09:22.05 | itchi | DaBlade: Not yet the same as the xorg config file you have |
| 09:22.15 | valdyn | DaBlade: /usr/share instead of /usr/lib/X11 |
| 09:22.15 | itchi | DaBlade: that of valdyn |
| 09:22.22 | itchi | yup |
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| 09:22.50 | DaBlade | ls /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ | grep fix |
| 09:22.54 | DaBlade | Nothing |
| 09:23.03 | valdyn | DaBlade: so? |
| 09:23.05 | DaBlade | Though there are a bunch of files there. |
| 09:23.21 | DaBlade | valdyn: Dunno... Now I'm a bit confused when it comes to what you mean |
| 09:23.29 | itchi | DaBlade: Set an #on the begin of the line. Restart x and see. MAybe add that other just below, test it first as also commented |
| 09:23.43 | DaBlade | ok |
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| 09:23.54 | valdyn | DaBlade: your xorg.conf file contains several lines containing '/usr/lib/X11/', that needs to be /usr/share/ |
| 09:24.34 | valdyn | DaBlade: the one relevant for fixed font is FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc", whch should be FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" |
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| 09:24.49 | itchi | DaBlade: Here the ls also not show some stuff. Maybe is it name otherwise |
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| 09:25.04 | valdyn | DaBlade: but you should change all those lines anyway, unless you are happy having _only_ those 'crap' fonts |
| 09:25.27 | valdyn | fixed isnt a font file name |
| 09:25.32 | itchi | valdyn: It's mush better as these defaul Times New Roman ;-) |
| 09:26.05 | itchi | DaBlade: And renamed the lines? |
| 09:26.14 | itchi | ug, that's english |
| 09:26.17 | DaBlade | Commented them out, it doesn't help |
| 09:26.24 | valdyn | jesus christ |
| 09:26.27 | DaBlade | What? |
| 09:26.36 | itchi | You need at least some fonts |
| 09:26.39 | valdyn | DaBlade: you commented out the 'FontPath' lines? |
| 09:26.47 | DaBlade | No |
| 09:26.50 | DaBlade | I tried doing so now |
| 09:26.55 | DaBlade | but it didn't helpp |
| 09:26.57 | DaBlade | help* |
| 09:27.15 | valdyn | DaBlade: WHY would you comment out those lines? |
| 09:27.44 | itchi | Just the first one, the 'fixed' one about what he complain, with below the new correct line |
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| 09:28.15 | DaBlade | Ok, it worked |
| 09:28.18 | itchi | valdyn: I think i have not explain it right |
| 09:28.30 | DaBlade | valdyn: Never mind, I misread something somebody said.. :P |
| 09:28.33 | DaBlade | But it works, thanks |
| 09:28.34 | itchi | valdyn: Maybe it's my fault he proceed so |
| 09:28.43 | DaBlade | brb, starting X |
| 09:28.51 | itchi | kug |
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| 09:29.32 | DaBlade | It's incorrect! |
| 09:29.35 | DaBlade | :) |
| 09:29.38 | mazza[W] | erm |
| 09:29.40 | incorrect | hi |
| 09:29.40 | mazza[W] | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 09:29.50 | mazza[W] | but it exists... |
| 09:29.57 | valdyn | mazza[W]: run apt-get update |
| 09:30.09 | itchi | DaBlade: Working right now or not? |
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| 09:30.22 | DaBlade | itchi: I'm in X now |
| 09:30.23 | mazza[W] | ah |
| 09:30.25 | DaBlade | It works |
| 09:30.26 | mazza[W] | *slaps selfs* |
| 09:30.36 | itchi | DaBlade: Good new |
| 09:30.39 | mazza[W] | i was running `aptitude update` |
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| 09:33.05 | NameTab | xdr: did you manage to get two screens set up? |
| 09:33.05 | mazza[W] | what's the difference between linux-image-* and kernel-image-* |
| 09:33.21 | xdr | NameTab: I think so |
| 09:33.29 | xdr | NameTab: long time ago I did that |
| 09:33.34 | valdyn | mazza[W]: its a new naming, that is all, debian does not only support linux kernels |
| 09:33.39 | mazza[W] | ah |
| 09:33.45 | itchi | mazza[W]: Just another name. It will be named otherwise now |
| 09:34.19 | itchi | arg, i'm slow :-p, stupid lag here |
| 09:34.19 | NameTab | xdr: do you still have a copy of your xorg.conf maybe? |
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| 09:34.23 | xdr | NameTab: I'll look for it |
| 09:34.30 | NameTab | thnx |
| 09:34.40 | xdr | maybe I have a backup |
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| 09:36.10 | incorrect | for some reason firefox is ignoring my host file |
| 09:36.11 | xdr | sorry NameTab that config is gone....but I'm pretty sure it does work |
| 09:36.42 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.12 | incorrect | that could well be it |
| 09:37.31 | incorrect | i just woke up! |
| 09:37.32 | ak- | hello. i have a problem with debian. while booting it stops @ "IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver". this happend after the latest kernel upgrade. any clues? |
| 09:38.55 | itchi | ak- With the older kernel, it still work? |
| 09:39.04 | ak- | no.. |
| 09:39.09 | mazza[W] | Get:20 http://http.us.debian.org testing/main linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 2.6.17-9 [15.9MB] |
| 09:39.15 | mazza[W] | erm so is it -9 or -2? |
| 09:39.27 | ak- | -9 i think |
| 09:39.38 | ak- | 1 sec lemme check :/ |
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| 09:40.07 | valdyn | mazza[W]: 2.6.17-9 is the package version, 2.6.17-2 is the kernel source version |
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| 09:40.39 | ak- | 2.6.17-2 |
| 09:40.56 | ak- | and if i try 2.6.15 its the same |
| 09:41.06 | mazza[W] | interesting |
| 09:41.26 | ak- | mhm |
| 09:41.54 | ak- | the machine was up for like 3 wks and yesterday i reboot it and ... |
| 09:42.01 | itchi | ak-: Maybe /msg dpkg IPv6 will help you? Or point you to somethings usefull?? |
| 09:42.27 | mazza[W] | eep |
| 09:42.39 | mazza[W] | it wants to install lilo |
| 09:43.18 | ak- | hmn .. the weird thing is i dont have ipv6 configured or anything :( |
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| 09:43.37 | itchi | ak-: Can you go to another console when it hang? |
| 09:43.57 | ak- | hmn good question.. |
| 09:44.03 | ak- | i'll try |
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| 09:44.25 | ak- | anything special i should do in the other console if it works? |
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| 09:44.39 | itchi | ak-: Look?? |
| 09:44.50 | ak- | brb |
| 09:45.05 | itchi | ak-: Try all the consoles |
| 09:45.17 | NameTab | xdr: too bad, because I can get it to work up to a level where I'm still not satisfied |
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| 09:46.01 | xdr | NameTab: I think that the gentoo forums can give you goood information |
| 09:46.13 | xdr | NameTab: running gentoo on my lappy |
| 09:46.24 | NameTab | the xorg configuration should be the same |
| 09:46.37 | NameTab | I stepped off of gentoo on this lappy, it's to slow to be compiling all the time |
| 09:46.57 | xdr | NameTab: it's called cross compiling..not slow at all :) |
| 09:47.21 | xdr | one 2 ghz and one 2,8 ghz |
| 09:48.01 | ak- | itchi: no luck :/ |
| 09:48.11 | ak- | it wont switch |
| 09:48.38 | cjari | when installing a kernel, when should I choose 386 image and when 586? |
| 09:48.51 | itchi | ak-: arg |
| 09:48.57 | cjari | I have very old PC 200mhz 32ram |
| 09:49.22 | itchi | ak-: Maybe take an live cd and boot up and look to the log files?? Also the dpkg log?? |
| 09:49.52 | ak- | itchi: will do and will get back |
| 09:49.54 | itchi | cjari: 586 is right |
| 09:49.55 | ak- | ty :) |
| 09:50.09 | itchi | ak-: Look to the last packages that are been installed |
| 09:50.41 | Feax | for share my debian file to my windows PC with samba, at the installation, create a base /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb ? yes or no ? |
| 09:50.54 | NameTab | xdr: it's something with only one cpu of 700mhz, somehow I cant get it to run at over 2ghz at all :) |
| 09:51.09 | cjari | irchi ok thanks |
| 09:51.49 | itchi | cjari: You are welcome ;-) |
| 09:52.18 | cjari | sorry itchi :) |
| 09:52.48 | itchi | cjari: You can make use of the <tab> (tabulation) key, it automatically complete the name |
| 09:53.44 | itchi | Try 'itch<tab>' for example |
| 09:53.59 | itchi | or itc is also good |
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| 09:54.18 | cydork | itchi, not anymore :P |
| 09:54.37 | nevyn | that toook a little longer than I expected |
| 09:54.40 | nevyn | meh life |
| 09:54.48 | monokrome | hey |
| 09:54.59 | itchi | lol |
| 09:55.33 | itc | anybody knows how do I create a folder for all users ( like .spam ) if im using vpopmail ? I know is not an chan related q but I would like some experience here. |
| 09:56.01 | monokrome | Anyone in here know if apt-get can repair an installation? I removed an application, and tried reinstalling it to get the configuration file that I lost back, but it didn't work. |
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| 09:57.28 | nevyn | monokrome: you modified a installation file and you can't find it now? |
| 09:57.30 | nevyn | it's gone |
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| 09:57.54 | nevyn | if you want apt to re-install the original config then you need to purge it and re-install |
| 09:58.02 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 09:58.02 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 09:58.06 | valdyn | monokrome: ^^^ |
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| 09:58.33 | monokrome | valdyn: Thanks a ton! |
| 09:58.36 | monokrome | :) |
| 09:58.38 | nevyn | ok that's shiny |
| 09:58.45 | nevyn | but a purge and install should do it too right? |
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| 09:59.21 | monokrome | nevyn: I tried that, and it didn't. |
| 09:59.43 | valdyn | nevyn: yes, will do it too |
| 09:59.58 | valdyn | nevyn: monokrone is probably just attributing the config file to the wrong package |
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| 10:00.42 | liable | a pure wont do it if he deleted the file |
| 10:00.48 | liable | purge |
| 10:00.50 | monokrome | hrm |
| 10:00.51 | valdyn | liable: it will |
| 10:00.53 | monokrome | That didn't do it either... |
| 10:01.11 | liable | valdyn: it wont, read that confmiss factoid |
| 10:01.13 | valdyn | monokrome: you are attribuing that config file to the wrong package, its really generated by a different package |
| 10:01.44 | monokrome | File is ircd.conf, and package is ircd |
| 10:01.44 | valdyn | liable: its not written in the factoid. |
| 10:01.57 | valdyn | monokrome: my guess is that the config is in a package like ircd-common |
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| 10:02.06 | monokrome | hrm |
| 10:02.07 | monokrome | maybe |
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| 10:02.24 | valdyn | monokrome: well, my debian doesnt even know a package named 'ircd' |
| 10:02.37 | monokrome | valdyn: Odd. It should... |
| 10:02.50 | valdyn | !info ircd sarge |
| 10:02.52 | Charminthemoose | i have a question regarding dhcp and my question is why,when i turn my computer off do i still have the same ip address when i turn it back on again?I didn't turn off my hardware router |
| 10:02.57 | dpkg | ircd: (IRC Server daemon - dummy package), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0 (sarge), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 10:03.14 | Feax | how can I fully uninstall Samba, i made a wrong manipulation and now I need to uninstall it but fully |
| 10:03.25 | valdyn | monokrome: that package is jsut a dummy, it has no files |
| 10:03.34 | monokrome | I was running a server... |
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| 10:03.38 | monokrome | with that package |
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| 10:03.47 | valdyn | !depends ircd |
| 10:04.03 | itchi | Feax: apt-get remove --purge <pkg> |
| 10:04.17 | valdyn | !depends ircd sarge |
| 10:04.20 | dpkg | ircd: depends on ircd-ircu (>= 2.10.11.04-2) |
| 10:04.28 | valdyn | monokrome: that package just depends on a real irc server |
| 10:04.34 | monokrome | LOL |
| 10:04.40 | EsoD | any known iso-standard/rfc for how to naming you network? e.g floor.room.number.swtich.001 |
| 10:04.40 | itchi | Charminthemoose: The DHCP server, when he give an IP, he give it for some time. He know to who he have give it thanks to the mac addr |
| 10:04.54 | monokrome | That'd explain it |
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| 10:05.00 | Feax | itchi: with that is stay files :S |
| 10:05.28 | itchi | Feax: Some files leave that youself have created?? |
| 10:05.34 | Feax | no itc |
| 10:05.36 | Feax | itchi: |
| 10:05.45 | XoR | who know any linux organizer (for example korganizer) with database support (mysql or postgresql) ??? |
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| 10:05.57 | monokrome | That did it :) |
| 10:06.00 | monokrome | Thanks a bunch |
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| 10:06.33 | tapple | what package is the info page for glibc in? |
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| 10:07.19 | valdyn | tapple: what are you really looking for? |
| 10:07.58 | tapple | valdyn: the documentation for sockets.h |
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| 10:08.08 | valdyn | tapple: manpages-dev |
| 10:08.14 | tapple | valdyn: on gentoo, I could type info libc |
| 10:08.27 | azeem | tapple: which version of Debian? |
| 10:08.36 | tapple | azeem: etch |
| 10:09.06 | azeem | tapple: glibc-doc-reference |
| 10:09.11 | azeem | tapple: you need non-free for that |
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| 10:09.27 | tapple | azeem: why is that non-free? |
| 10:09.47 | azeem | because Debian considers the GFDL with invariant sections or front/back cover text non-free |
| 10:10.07 | tapple | woah |
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| 10:11.23 | hyphenex | hi guys |
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| 10:11.46 | hyphenex | Can someone help me with Grub, I can't get it booting my OS properly (not debain related sorry) |
| 10:12.59 | RichiH | hyphenex: shoot |
| 10:13.01 | itchi | hyphenex: Pastebin the /boot/grub/menu.lst file first? |
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| 10:13.19 | hyphenex | Well, no need yet |
| 10:13.26 | hyphenex | I'm trying to boot a BSD like OS :P |
| 10:13.30 | RichiH | hyphenex: if you want windows, you need to chain it, btw |
| 10:13.32 | hyphenex | but I don't know how to |
| 10:13.48 | RichiH | hyphenex: did you read info grub's os install section? |
| 10:13.48 | hyphenex | for example, in Linux, the partition is hda4 |
| 10:14.02 | RichiH | hyphenex: it has examples for most scenarios |
| 10:14.08 | hyphenex | RichiH, I tried to follow many manuals, not the official one though :P |
| 10:14.15 | hyphenex | but anyway, can you just listen for 2 seconds first? |
| 10:14.34 | hyphenex | the partition starts on block 1 of my hard disk, but is knows as hda4? so I don't know what I should put |
| 10:14.51 | RichiH | (o,3) |
| 10:14.54 | RichiH | erm |
| 10:14.55 | RichiH | 0,3 |
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| 10:15.12 | liable | depends, whats in boor.map? |
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| 10:15.19 | liable | boot* |
| 10:15.23 | hyphenex | what's boor.map? |
| 10:15.27 | itchi | |ac3|: Hello neighbor |
| 10:15.28 | hyphenex | oahh, boot.map |
| 10:15.30 | RichiH | liable: heh, in his case it's likely vanilla |
| 10:15.31 | hyphenex | I'll have a look |
| 10:15.39 | liable | err, device.map.. |
| 10:15.41 | RichiH | hyphenex: pastein it all please |
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| 10:15.47 | RichiH | hyphenex: fdisk -l also |
| 10:16.17 | liable | RichiH: certainly sounds a little unusual |
| 10:16.19 | hyphenex | ok, this is going to take about 5 minutes to boot though, sorry |
| 10:16.23 | itchi | heh, i have an ntfs partition |
| 10:16.32 | itchi | I had forget that :-p |
| 10:16.33 | hyphenex | It's a HSF+ partition |
| 10:17.26 | RichiH | ooh, he is trying to steal os x! ;) |
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| 10:18.17 | hyphenex | or maybe run the new kernal compiled and open darwin without the 'illegal' stuff on top? ;) |
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| 10:19.12 | RichiH | hyphenex: yah, yah ;) |
| 10:19.21 | cydork | hyphenex, what about TPM?? |
| 10:19.30 | hyphenex | What about TPM?? |
| 10:19.49 | hyphenex | ok, can we just put ethics aside for 2 seconds and pretend that doesn't exist? |
| 10:20.07 | cydork | hehe |
| 10:20.48 | cydork | hyphenex, i was going try for it but did bcoz of that stupid TPM issues.. |
| 10:21.13 | hyphenex | cydork, No, no... some people have managed to remove all that |
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| 10:27.19 | yxa | does debian run on a MIPS RM5231? |
| 10:27.39 | azeem | yxa: check www.debian.org/ports/mips |
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| 10:27.46 | azeem | maybe you can find information there |
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| 10:30.14 | hyphenex | while I'm still waiting to try and pastebin those things, how fast could I get Linux booting do you think? |
| 10:31.52 | buu | hyphenex: Depends on how you define 'booting' |
| 10:32.38 | hyphenex | I mean... well, the mac boots sooo fast, I'm just wondering if I could get a similar booting speet on Linux |
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| 10:33.06 | dmbla | os: debian etch beta 3 (not updated), installation: basis+laptop+mainsystem - no desktop(!), windowmanager openbox, |
| 10:33.06 | dmbla | different problems, one: how can i install the up2date WINE? i've loaded the latest wine.deb @winehq and wanted to install with dpkg -i wine.deb | but i need sounddriver and so on, the listet needed driver can i found per apt-get, but apt-get say that the driver as bad bad ubuntu drivers and i shouldn't install them - how do i install the latest wine!? |
| 10:33.12 | hyphenex | Oahh, and I have to thank you buu, that server has been great for testing, and HSC finishes in about 2 weeks :D so I can get onto finally finishing Hero Quest |
| 10:33.19 | buu | hyphenex: Really? |
| 10:33.23 | buu | Cool sauce. |
| 10:33.36 | craigevil | my system boots from power on to kde login in around 45 seconds |
| 10:33.39 | hyphenex | buu, Yep, should be finished by Christmas :D |
| 10:33.47 | buu | Hah, I've heard that before.. |
| 10:33.50 | hyphenex | then next year I can work on getting some OSX and Linux ports |
| 10:34.04 | hyphenex | buu, But I'm going to be sooo bored with School and final exams having finished for good |
| 10:34.11 | hyphenex | oahh, that project got me into Uni (early entry :D) |
| 10:34.34 | buu | Really? |
| 10:34.37 | buu | Nifty. |
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| 10:35.05 | xingu | hyphenex: maybe when you're done with that lot you can finish off duke nukem forever |
| 10:35.06 | hyphenex | Really really, Telling them that you were interested in it and gave me an account on your debian server lifted there eye brows as well (they be Linux nerds :P) |
| 10:36.04 | buu | Heh, I'm pleased to know my trust has such far reaching implications! |
| 10:36.12 | RichiH | hyphenex: current ubuntu is using a new start system and i hope debian will steal that in the near future |
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| 10:36.29 | craigevil | its already in experimental |
| 10:36.36 | hyphenex | Ooo, Coolies |
| 10:36.55 | hyphenex | buu, Yeah, I really can't thank you enough for that. |
| 10:37.14 | hyphenex | Gahhh, that pastebin is prooving harder then it should :( |
| 10:37.23 | wols | RichiH: will it change from sysvinit like it is now? |
| 10:37.29 | hyphenex | Can't get the stupid network card working in VMware |
| 10:37.45 | wols | amd pc32 or such it is afaik |
| 10:37.55 | wols | tulip should be the driver IIRC |
| 10:37.56 | RichiH | craigevil: that bootd or what its name is? |
| 10:38.07 | cydork | RichiH, debian has file-rc.. |
| 10:38.08 | RichiH | wols: i hope it will change at some point |
| 10:38.19 | RichiH | cydork: which is not parallel |
| 10:38.30 | craigevil | sorry dont remember just saw an email on the user-list talking about it |
| 10:38.38 | cydork | RichiH, who upstart is parallel?? |
| 10:38.46 | cydork | s/who/wohhh/ |
| 10:39.05 | RichiH | cydork: indeed |
| 10:39.09 | RichiH | that is why it's cool |
| 10:39.14 | RichiH | else i would not care in the least |
| 10:39.24 | RichiH | we _need_ parallel booting |
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| 10:39.32 | craigevil | visit the upstart Website, which has packages for Ubuntu and Debian, source code |
| 10:39.39 | xingu | hmm |
| 10:39.40 | RichiH | also, it can act as both init.d and supervise in one package |
| 10:39.44 | RichiH | which is ze nifty |
| 10:39.44 | craigevil | Nice article about it: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/18/1623244 |
| 10:39.59 | xingu | init is not something which needs additional fragility |
| 10:40.18 | RichiH | xingu: upstart claims to be fully comaptible to init |
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| 10:40.26 | RichiH | and able to take over parts or whole |
| 10:40.26 | wols | RichiH: what I really want to ask was: will it change for me as user? e.g. no more /etc/rc2.d/? |
| 10:40.37 | hyphenex | *crosses fingers and attempts to get networking working once again* |
| 10:40.38 | craigevil | actually doesnt it replace init |
| 10:40.53 | RichiH | wols: i would sure hope that we will move to a system of requirements |
| 10:41.01 | craigevil | "which is why we're replacing the aging init system with Upstart in Ubuntu 6.10, codenamed Edgy Eft." |
| 10:41.06 | RichiH | wols: as it is parallel, it makes sense to not use rc.d and more, though |
| 10:41.12 | RichiH | so it might be done, already |
| 10:41.18 | xingu | craigevil: sure but this sort of thing... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInit ... concerns me |
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| 10:41.43 | craigevil | yeah seems the new Ubuntu has a lot of problems |
| 10:41.48 | RichiH | can != has to |
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| 10:42.00 | RichiH | it does. upstart can still work together with init, though |
| 10:42.01 | xingu | craigevil: one of the nice things about the bsd rc.*->sysvinit shift is that no additional complexity was introduced; complexity breeds fragility breeds failure modes |
| 10:42.07 | xingu | craigevil: and at boot time, that is not wanted |
| 10:42.09 | wols | RichiH: after udev, I'M not hopeful |
| 10:42.31 | wols | good idea, but simply not ready yet imho |
| 10:42.33 | cydork | well if it's experimental i can wait for it to come to sid :P |
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| 10:44.22 | xingu | from my perspective, the correct solution to - boot time difficulties with hotplug resource - is to eliminate the hotplug resource |
| 10:44.59 | xingu | boots must be reproducable, every time through the same sequence; try running a 300+ machine domain for five years at a stretch, you too will agree |
| 10:45.08 | RichiH | wols: that is why we let ubuntu burn themselves, first ;) |
| 10:45.58 | hyphenex | RichiH, ok, I've tried everything, but copying and pasting into pastebin doesn't look like an option, is there anything you could just ask? |
| 10:46.16 | xingu | udev could use a flight recorder and replay mode. :) |
| 10:46.33 | hyphenex | Orrr... I might have an idea *scurries off* |
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| 10:49.02 | pingouin | i have bought a new hd, i wish to move my 'old' /home on this new hd, after createrd/formated a new part on the new hd a simple cp /home from old hd to new one and a change in fstab is enought ? |
| 10:49.17 | xingu | pingouin: cp -a |
| 10:50.31 | pingouin | xingu: i check the man, thanks |
| 10:50.36 | xingu | pingouin: also, I'd run find /home -type f -print0 | xargs -0n 1024 md5sum |
| 10:50.36 | hyphenex | what's the pastebin site? |
| 10:50.46 | xingu | pingouin: and compare to find /newhome ... |
| 10:50.49 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 10:50.49 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 10:51.01 | xingu | pingouin: some linux IO-path error handling isn't the best. |
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| 10:51.11 | hyphenex | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.15 | pingouin | xingu: ok i wrote this command down, not sure i'll remember it, and i never done this before |
| 10:52.18 | pingouin | xingu: thanks again |
| 10:52.40 | xingu | pingouin: might want to add ... md5sum | sort |
| 10:52.48 | xingu | pingouin: then use diff -u to compare |
| 10:53.18 | xingu | pingouin: nb that will really hammer your disk; if it's on the way out the io load will probably push it over the edge |
| 10:53.19 | hyphenex | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4253 - Can someone help me now? I've tried each of those OSX entried to get it to boot, but alas, chain booting error or something about not being able to boot partition type on each one :( |
| 10:54.17 | pingouin | xingu: ok, i'll do it while sleeping |
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| 10:54.54 | hyphenex | RichiH: I've pasted the file |
| 10:56.07 | pingouin | by the way, is the last revision of debian sarge - cd1 - allow me to install on sata drive ? |
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| 10:56.33 | liable | only if your chipset is supported by 2.6.8 |
| 10:56.58 | liable | hyphenex: that looks wrong, but seeing as you dont have debian, it may not be... |
| 10:57.20 | pingouin | ok liable , thanks |
| 10:57.58 | hyphenex | liable, Nahh, it's probably me, it worked for windows, so I just copied and pasted it and changed it to try and find my mac partition |
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| 10:58.27 | liable | hyphenex: ask a suse channel to check that paste |
| 10:58.53 | hyphenex | liable, Ok, thanks... but generally speaking, you guys have always been more helpful then Suse peeps :P |
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| 11:03.09 | RichiH | hyphenex: that's because we know what is actually going on in our boxen ;) |
| 11:03.16 | ak- | ok why would debian hang during bootup when loading this: PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 |
| 11:03.37 | hyphenex | Ahhh, okies :P |
| 11:03.38 | VIm_Enforcer | is there a docking app that i can use to switch keyboard layouts? |
| 11:03.46 | RichiH | hyphenex: let me see |
| 11:03.57 | RichiH | hyphenex: and i need devices.map and fdisk -l also |
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| 11:04.48 | hyphenex | RichiH, Where do I find devices.map? |
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| 11:05.59 | hyphenex | Devices.map is just: |
| 11:06.00 | hyphenex | (hd0)/dev/hda |
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| 11:07.07 | ak- | please help someone :) i have 2.6.17-2 kernel and it hangs while booting. last msg is PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 |
| 11:07.16 | ak- | any clues ? :/ |
| 11:08.04 | RichiH | hyphenex: k |
| 11:08.06 | xingu | ak-: new install or change to existing system? |
| 11:08.06 | RichiH | fdisk? |
| 11:08.13 | ak- | change to existing |
| 11:08.19 | ak- | this happens after last kernel upgrade |
| 11:08.31 | blondie | try booting the old one |
| 11:08.35 | blondie | assuming you can |
| 11:08.36 | ak- | 2.6.15 => 2.6.17-2 |
| 11:08.43 | RichiH | hyphenex: did you look at info grub -> Booting -> FreeBSD yet? |
| 11:08.47 | ak- | no go with booting he old one |
| 11:08.50 | ak- | same thing |
| 11:09.19 | hyphenex | so what do I go for Fdisk? and I havn't found that site. But I'm not sure that'd be any good as it's a HSF+ partition instead of whatever BSD usually likes to use? |
| 11:09.21 | RichiH | hyphenex: that would imply that you not need to chainload |
| 11:09.27 | RichiH | hyphenex: which would explain lots |
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| 11:09.45 | xingu | ak-: if you add "single" to your boot commandline - do you reach single user mode? |
| 11:09.47 | RichiH | hyphenex: well, it might be the hfs after all |
| 11:09.53 | RichiH | no idea |
| 11:10.05 | mazza[W] | hokay |
| 11:10.13 | ak- | xingu: let me see |
| 11:10.18 | wols | RichiH: very good plan indeed. use it when the bugs are shaken out. If the common Ubuntu user can grasp it, it's a no brainer to use :) |
| 11:10.21 | Malagmyr | Can anyone tell me what everyone's got against rdram? |
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| 11:10.33 | mazza[W] | list of annoying things i need to fix: iptables logging is logging to the active tty; the home key prints ~ instead of actually going home |
| 11:10.39 | wols | high latencies, expsnsive, hard to manufacture |
| 11:10.42 | RichiH | hyphenex: you could also go into the grub shell on buut and do root (hd0,3) ; kernel /foo/bar ; boot and see where it errros out |
| 11:10.49 | RichiH | on boot, that is |
| 11:10.56 | wols | and worst of wall: coming from a maybe brillian but very untrustworthy company |
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| 11:11.15 | liable | mazza[W]: for iptables, edit /etc/init.d/klogd and append -c 2 to the start line |
| 11:11.17 | wols | Rambus has more lawsuits than SCO. and they mainly sue their own license takers unlike SCO who sues IBM |
| 11:11.39 | ak- | xingu |
| 11:11.41 | ak- | same thing |
| 11:11.42 | ak- | :/ |
| 11:11.50 | liable | mazza[W]: the line that starts it... start-stop-daemon line |
| 11:12.02 | hyphenex | RichiH, I PM'd you the fdisk -l |
| 11:12.03 | liable | mazza[W]: then restart klogd |
| 11:12.06 | zamaliphe | ok i need to ask about a real hard thing what is the best html php editor in linux ? i know some apps like bluefish tea but is this it all ? no way can i find some thing like acehtml ?its not that hard is it ? |
| 11:12.22 | RichiH | hyphenex: yar |
| 11:12.22 | wols | hyphenex: don't do such stupid things |
| 11:12.37 | RichiH | wols: heh, people spam me in query all the time |
| 11:12.41 | xingu | ak-: in that case I would make the wild guess that your kernel as configured is not reaching userland; you could perhaps try "init=/bin/bash" instead of single however I think that the problem is more likely to be a wrongly specced root= line |
| 11:12.55 | mazza[W] | liable: yay ta. |
| 11:12.56 | RichiH | hyphenex: in the future, you might ask the people or really just use pastebin ;) |
| 11:13.02 | RichiH | hyphenex: but i for one do not care |
| 11:13.06 | wols | RichiH: don't encourage the idiots while you're here in debian. LART them instead |
| 11:13.10 | hyphenex | Ahhh, sorry |
| 11:13.19 | xingu | ak-: if init=/bin/bash gives you a shell prompt then root= must be correct; I think however it will not because it seems as if your kernel is halting before it mounts root. |
| 11:13.33 | RichiH | wols: well, being staff for so long has changed a few preconceptions i might have had |
| 11:13.40 | hyphenex | RickH, so what could I try from the terminal? |
| 11:13.44 | RichiH | wols: but you are right about it being stupid in general |
| 11:13.54 | wols | RichiH: I know. that is why I didn't LART you instead for encouraging him |
| 11:14.10 | wols | well self preserve instinct might also had something to do with it, I dunno... :P |
| 11:14.16 | xingu | ak-: between a working kernel and a kernel upgrade which renders a system unbootable - is an implied re-configuration of your boot manager, and an opportunity for your boot commandline to become toast. |
| 11:14.16 | ak- | xingu: so how do i go about fixing it :/ |
| 11:14.26 | pumpkin0 | zamaliphe: if you really want acehtml: install wine and use it. |
| 11:14.45 | xingu | ak-: where is your root filesystem? /dev/sdamumble or /dev/hdamumble, often. |
| 11:14.59 | pumpkin0 | ak-: upload the config-file somewhere so people can have a look. |
| 11:15.12 | xingu | pumpkin0: flaw in that is - he can't boot yet. :) |
| 11:15.15 | zamaliphe | pumpkin0: i need some thing smellier to it can i find one |
| 11:15.24 | ak- | xingu: /dev/hda |
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| 11:15.34 | pumpkin0 | xingu: that´s why knoppix exisits. |
| 11:15.36 | RichiH | wols: hehe |
| 11:15.37 | xingu | ak-: just /dev/hda? no partitions, one large disk? |
| 11:15.44 | wols | ak-: that is definitely wrong |
| 11:15.45 | RichiH | hyphenex: anyway, he has a point, always ask before |
| 11:15.46 | ak- | xingu: hda1 |
| 11:15.55 | RichiH | hyphenex: you should pastebin it anyway |
| 11:15.59 | RichiH | it is.. strange |
| 11:16.05 | xingu | ak-: try adding "init=/bin/bash root=/dev/hda1" to your normal boot commandline |
| 11:16.06 | hyphenex | ok, I'll pastebin it :) |
| 11:16.11 | hyphenex | what's the site again? |
| 11:16.15 | wols | !paster |
| 11:16.15 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 11:16.20 | xingu | ak-: also, select your previously working kernel |
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| 11:16.47 | ak- | xingu: ok so how do i change boot cmd line? |
| 11:17.03 | ak- | xingu: select it in grub and use e ? |
| 11:17.08 | hyphenex | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4254 - fidsk -l |
| 11:17.10 | xingu | ak-: exactly so |
| 11:17.12 | mazza[W] | liable: any ideas on the home key issue? |
| 11:17.33 | liable | mazza[W]: not on that one, sorry |
| 11:17.40 | abrocadabro | I have a eth1 device with a wierd mac address, and my wireless card gets assigned as eth2, how can I get rid of eth1, it doesn't exist |
| 11:17.50 | ak- | xingu: i have 4 lines: root (hd0,0); kernel /boot.... ; initrd /boot/... ; savedefault |
| 11:17.59 | ak- | xingu: so which one do i change? |
| 11:18.06 | wols | what is the weird MAC address? |
| 11:18.27 | xingu | ak-: kernel ... |
| 11:18.40 | liable | abrocadabro: lots of leading )'s? |
| 11:18.44 | liable | 0's |
| 11:18.48 | liable | ? |
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| 11:18.49 | abrocadabro | 00-0A-E4-06-00-17-20-2A-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 11:18.50 | xingu | ak-: edit root= to "root=/dev/hda1" and append "init=/bin/bash" |
| 11:19.01 | abrocadabro | I have no such device |
| 11:19.19 | ak- | xingu: ok let me try |
| 11:19.31 | liable | abrocadabro: theres a udev rule you need to delete, persistent-net-generator iirc, check the old udev bugs |
| 11:19.35 | xingu | abrocadabro: you do, it's etherlike on ieee1394; edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z24_persistent-net.rules |
| 11:19.48 | liable | ah, persistent.. |
| 11:19.52 | liable | net.. |
| 11:20.00 | liable | rules.. |
| 11:20.06 | ak- | xingu: do i remove he "ro" after root="" ... ? |
| 11:20.11 | xingu | ak-: no |
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| 11:20.26 | xingu | ak-: this is a simple boolean test to work out if your root fs is broken |
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| 11:20.54 | xingu | s/z24/z25/ |
| 11:21.03 | scx | anyone knows how do I change my IRC passwd? (nickserv I mean) |
| 11:21.10 | ak- | xingu: ok i am in prompt |
| 11:21.22 | xingu | ak-: excellent; so what is broken is actually your grub configuration |
| 11:21.40 | ak- | xingu: ok great. so how do it fix it ? |
| 11:21.50 | xingu | ak-: c-a-del back to grub; then re-edit the same entry, and change root= to root=/dev/hda1 |
| 11:21.56 | xingu | ak-: no other changes, and boot |
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| 11:22.40 | abrocadabro | xingu: I have an entry for eth0, what do I change in here? I need to get rid of eth1 |
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| 11:23.15 | xingu | abrocadabro: add a naming rule in there what you would prefer to be eth1 |
| 11:23.22 | xingu | abrocadabro: follow the template for eth0 |
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| 11:24.00 | ak- | xingu: ok i made a little mistake. when i reached prompt i did not change root=/dev/hda1 to root= .. i just added init=/bin/bash |
| 11:24.04 | xingu | abrocadabro: I think you have more problems than you are stating, I think that your eth1 is a wireless lan adapter for which your current userland has no driver, and that as a result you have no corresponding netdev; but this is not the question you have asked. |
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| 11:24.43 | xingu | ak-: oh, this changes things. |
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| 11:25.12 | xingu | ak-: in that case it seems as if you are reaching early boot and that there is a problem bringing up networking |
| 11:25.28 | xingu | ak-: does this correlate with what you see on your console in terms of checking filesystems messages etc? |
| 11:25.49 | ak- | xingu: yes. |
| 11:26.20 | abrocadabro | xingu: I can use my wireless, it just gets assigned eth2 and I didn't know why was that |
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| 11:26.42 | xingu | ak-: ok; in that case I would again add init=/bin/bash and change "ro" to "rw"; once booted be very careful to not reboot again until we have unmounted your root fs correctly |
| 11:27.15 | liable | sweet, goldfinger is on telly |
| 11:27.22 | xingu | ak-: do that; then we will need to sort out a way to remove the dependancy your boottime has on your ppp netdev |
| 11:27.23 | ak- | xingu: everything looks normal.. it it mounts the FS, the int loads modules, then it say setting up networking.. configuring net. interfaces, CSLIP, then PPP generic driver and stop |
| 11:27.39 | ak- | xingu: ok will do the rw thing |
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| 11:28.15 | liable | abrocadabro: paste your ifconfig -a to a pastebot |
| 11:28.50 | xingu | abrocadabro: just follow the template set for eth0 and add an entry for eth1 per your wlan's mac addr |
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| 11:29.38 | ak- | xingu: ok i have reached prompt with the rw and init=/bin/bash |
| 11:29.42 | ak- | what now ?:) |
| 11:29.59 | xingu | ak-: right; next, edit /etc/network/interfaces and comment out references to ppp0 |
| 11:30.33 | xingu | ak-: this is the big stick approach; we are disabling the interface so that you can boot and go multiuser with lo0 and any eth* |
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| 11:33.00 | ak- | xingu: i dont have any ppp0 references. just auto dsl-provider, iface dsl-provider inter ppp provider dsl-provider |
| 11:33.16 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:33.38 | Mazingaro | please, I've got a problem with fam: it blocks almost every kde windows/apps (unstable) |
| 11:34.14 | xingu | ak-: that's the one |
| 11:34.30 | xingu | ak-: just comment out that auto line should be sufficient |
| 11:34.44 | ak- | xingu: and now? |
| 11:34.54 | xingu | ak-: exit; then mount -o remount,ro / |
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| 11:35.02 | xingu | ak-: then sync; sync; sync |
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| 11:35.11 | xingu | ak-: and finally - c-a-del and attempt to boot again |
| 11:35.37 | FrFluffyBottom | Hello all, I've just converted my mail store to use Maildir... Is there a howto around on how to make the basic tools (mutt, mail etc) look in ~/Maildir for mail instead of the mbox store? |
| 11:35.45 | FrFluffyBottom | I've googled, but nothing's coming up that I can find |
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| 11:35.57 | ak- | xingu: ok done.. rebooting now |
| 11:36.04 | xingu | ak-: this is what I mean by cleanly unmounting your root filesystem; if you have used init=/bin/bash and rw - you have your root fs mounted, with changes in the vfs and block layer pening (not flushed to disk) until this is done |
| 11:36.23 | xingu | ak-: and you have none of the protection that init's usual c-a-del event affords |
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| 11:36.38 | xingu | s/pen/pend/ |
| 11:36.48 | abrotman | FrFluffyBottom: not all readers support maildir .. but i'd think you could read thedocs for each one |
| 11:36.55 | abrotman | mutt does support maildir |
| 11:37.08 | ak- | xingu: yay login prompt |
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| 11:37.29 | FrFluffyBottom | Ah, didn't know it wasn't well supported, abrotman. i wasn't sure if there was some trick I could use or something. |
| 11:37.32 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=setup+mutt+for+maildir&btnG=Google+Search |
| 11:37.40 | FrFluffyBottom | Thanks, I'll just go through the man pages |
| 11:37.41 | abrotman | FrFluffyBottom: it is well supported |
| 11:37.56 | xingu | ak-: for what it's worth - I would guess that the iface dsl-provider configures a routable/ip interface which is either also your default gateway - or - your dns |
| 11:38.05 | abrotman | FrFluffyBottom: http://www.elho.net/mutt/maildir/ .. yay google! |
| 11:38.18 | liable | wtf is it such an effort to do maildir, its boggling |
| 11:38.25 | ak- | xingu: this machine is my router .. |
| 11:38.27 | FrFluffyBottom | Thanks -- do you know about the basic "mail" tool? |
| 11:38.27 | abrotman | FrFluffyBottom: i just don't know if 'mail' supports it .. so i'm not going to tell you it does |
| 11:38.30 | xingu | ak-: if the interface is coming up on your end but unresponsive at the other (dsl provider fault) - this creates nastiness |
| 11:38.46 | FrFluffyBottom | ah, okay. Thanks. Googling for "mail maildir support" or similra isn't getting me far |
| 11:38.52 | ak- | xingu: this cant be the case.. cause i can dial with my win box normaly |
| 11:38.56 | abrotman | FrFluffyBottom: no .. unfortunately i do not .. but mutt is for everyone! |
| 11:39.17 | abrotman | is mailx the same almost >/ |
| 11:39.19 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:39.41 | xingu | ak-: this is for you to isolate further, but this is the class of fault; re-edit etc/network/interfaces, change auto to manual and uncomment the line |
| 11:39.54 | xingu | ak-: then troubleshoot; start with ifup dsl-provider |
| 11:39.59 | FrFluffyBottom | Yeah, mailx seems to be a link to /bin/mail |
| 11:40.05 | abrotman | FrFluffyBottom: http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man1/mailx.1.asp |
| 11:40.05 | ak- | xingu: ok will do :) |
| 11:40.12 | abrotman | FrFluffyBottom: mentions about using maildir |
| 11:40.13 | ak- | xingu: i cant thank you enough:) |
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| 11:40.42 | xingu | ak-: if you're really unlucky it may be that your boot scripts are attempting to plumb in you dsl modem before the drivers/firmware for it are loaded |
| 11:40.45 | abrotman | FrFluffyBottom: there's also 'elmo' .. but i don't know anyone who uses it .. but i think it also supports maildir |
| 11:40.56 | xingu | ak-: but this as I said is for you to isolate further |
| 11:41.12 | FrFluffyBottom | Thanks, I think I'll just tell people that if they use mail to read their email, they're stupid |
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| 11:41.28 | abrotman | FrFluffyBottom: eh .. ok |
| 11:41.29 | FrFluffyBottom | Mutt's good enough |
| 11:41.37 | abrotman | where was that elmo .. hrm |
| 11:41.39 | ak- | xingu: ok. i will probably just delete the dsl provider setup scripts and re run pppoeconf |
| 11:41.39 | FrFluffyBottom | as is all the IMAP etc clients |
| 11:42.02 | xingu | ak-: sure; but once done test your boot first with iface ... manual |
| 11:42.08 | abrotman | FrFluffyBottom: as long as it works! |
| 11:42.15 | abrocadabr | xingu: thanks man, it was fixed |
| 11:42.23 | ak- | xingu: ok. thank you for all the help :) |
| 11:42.25 | xingu | cheers |
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| 11:42.42 | FrFluffyBottom | Thanks for your help :-) |
| 11:42.47 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 11:44.03 | abrocadabro | a sound related problem, is there a way to save my alsa settings so I won't need to rerun alsaconf each time upon a reboot? |
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| 11:45.14 | wols | when you boot and alsa is not there, are your sound drivers loaded? |
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| 11:45.49 | abrocadabro | wols: yeah they are all loaded, I needed to run alsaconf so they are reloaded, they sound will work |
| 11:46.46 | cahoot | abrocadabro: alsa-utils *should* do it |
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| 11:47.59 | abrocadabro | cahoot: I have alsa-utils installed, but still have to rerun alsaconf each time after a reboot |
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| 11:48.19 | cahoot | abrocadabro: sarge or etch? |
| 11:49.16 | abrocadabro | cahoot: have the same problem with sarge, etch and sid, right now running on sid, an Intel HD card in a ThinkPad |
| 11:49.40 | Charminthemoose | why when I turn off my computer,while still having my router turned on that i reboot and i still have the same ip address but when i turn off my router and computer i get a different ip address,even though i've supposedly edited /etc/network/interfaces to have a static ip address? |
| 11:49.51 | abrotman | abrocadabro: maybe blacklist the OSS stuff ? |
| 11:50.01 | cahoot | abrocadabro: this system is etch - /etc/init.d/alsa-utils runs alsactl store/restore - |
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| 11:50.04 | SPOPPO | Hello |
| 11:50.04 | dtrump | sup? |
| 11:50.07 | Mazingaro | please, I've got a problem with fam: it blocks almost every kde windows/apps (unstable) |
| 11:50.11 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: just the way it is .. |
| 11:50.24 | abrotman | so uninstall fam ? |
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| 11:50.57 | abrocadabro | cahoot: I tried to use alsactl store many time but the problem didn't go away |
| 11:51.24 | abrocadabro | cahoot: and it takes a long time to load modules for my card at boot time |
| 11:51.28 | cahoot | abrocadabro: alsactl restore at reboot - no use? |
| 11:51.39 | abrocadabro | cahoot: no use |
| 11:52.02 | abrocadabro | cahoot: I'll try it again right now |
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| 11:59.26 | abrocadabro | cahoot: got sound to work before I rebooted, then alsactl store , after boot up did alsactl restore, still no luck |
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| 11:59.50 | cahoot | abrocadabro: no error msg? |
| 12:00.04 | ma3x | I have my user in the root group, but can't read some files that are 740 mod. why not? |
| 12:00.07 | abrocadabro | cahoot: no |
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| 12:00.34 | cahoot | abrocadabro: if you run yes|aplay? ane msg? |
| 12:00.38 | cahoot | any |
| 12:01.49 | Mazingaro | abrotman: ??? |
| 12:01.57 | abrocadabro | cahoot: yes gives me a 'y' at the beginning of each line, error msg for aplay is at /paste |
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| 12:02.50 | cahoot | abrocadabro: and /paste is what? |
| 12:03.05 | abrotman | !paster |
| 12:03.06 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 12:03.17 | abrocadabro | cahoot: actually /j #paste |
| 12:03.37 | ma3x | hellooooooo |
| 12:03.44 | abrocadabro | cahoot: can you join that channel? |
| 12:03.47 | abrotman | Mazingaro: how does it block it ? |
| 12:03.48 | cahoot | done |
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| 12:04.15 | abrocadabro | cahoot: does the msg make sense ? |
| 12:04.15 | ma3x | if 'ma3x' is in the root group, then why can't I read 740 files? |
| 12:04.39 | Mazingaro | abrotman: e.g. filemanager windows won't open |
| 12:04.52 | abrotman | eh .. i don't think fam should do that |
| 12:04.57 | abrotman | if you stop fam .. it goes away ? |
| 12:05.24 | Mazingaro | abrotman: yes |
| 12:05.32 | abrotman | this is etch/sid ? |
| 12:05.45 | Mazingaro | abrotman: unstable |
| 12:05.50 | abrotman | !bts |
| 12:05.50 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 12:05.53 | abrotman | anything there ? |
| 12:05.58 | abrotman | or have you asked #debian-kde ? |
| 12:06.18 | Mazingaro | #debian-kde, no answer |
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| 12:08.13 | abrotman | Mazingaro: can you reinstall it ? |
| 12:08.47 | abrotman | the package .. not the OS :) |
| 12:10.33 | Mazingaro | abrotman: apt-get install -reinstall??? |
| 12:11.11 | abrotman | --reinstall |
| 12:11.22 | Mazingaro | ok |
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| 12:11.39 | Charminthemoose | can i insert a string in a very specific place in a of a big document via bash? |
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| 12:11.56 | abrotman | ask #bash |
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| 12:12.53 | Mazingaro | abrotman: Starting file alteration monitor: FAM. |
| 12:12.53 | Mazingaro | Running prelink, please wait... |
| 12:13.06 | abrotman | and then ? |
| 12:13.14 | Mazingaro | it seems to work |
| 12:13.21 | abrotman | everything is sane again ? |
| 12:13.36 | Mazingaro | abrotman: the problem comes up after a while |
| 12:13.39 | abrotman | as much as it can be with KDE :) |
| 12:13.48 | abrotman | Mazingaro: ah .. ok .. so you have to wait and see ? |
| 12:13.50 | pepve | my newly installed apache2.2 just wen fubar, how do i revert back to 2.0? |
| 12:14.00 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 12:14.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 12:14.02 | Mazingaro | abrotman: especially when using kopete or tray apps |
| 12:14.12 | abrotman | Mazingaro: okay .. so get testing :) |
| 12:14.30 | Mazingaro | yeah |
| 12:14.41 | Mazingaro | I've got a problem on amd760 agp with 2.6.18 |
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| 12:15.13 | abrotman | video ? |
| 12:15.31 | Mazingaro | yeah |
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| 12:15.42 | Mazingaro | no dri due to no agpgart device |
| 12:16.05 | abrotman | uhm .. that should just work afaik |
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| 12:16.32 | abrotman | i suppose the BTS has nothing about that either ? |
| 12:16.33 | Mazingaro | abrotman: amd761 works ok, amd760 no |
| 12:16.43 | Mazingaro | BTS? |
| 12:16.51 | abrotman | !btssmite Mazingaro |
| 12:17.16 | Mazingaro | abrotman: simply agpgart device is not recognized at boot |
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| 12:17.44 | abrotman | Mazingaro: does the module even exist ? |
| 12:18.12 | Mazingaro | on my kernel |
| 12:18.14 | Mazingaro | yes |
| 12:18.17 | Mazingaro | agpgart |
| 12:19.10 | abrotman | if you load it manually ? |
| 12:19.15 | Mazingaro | the other kernel has got the support in it |
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| 12:19.22 | abrotman | then use it |
| 12:19.23 | Mazingaro | abrotman: initrd |
| 12:19.41 | Mazingaro | abrotman: it's another chipset/agp |
| 12:19.44 | abrotman | so use the working kernel |
| 12:20.03 | Mazingaro | it is not a debian system :) |
| 12:20.21 | abrotman | what is it ? |
| 12:20.29 | Arnald | is it possible to run a 3com officeconnect (prism54?) wireless card in debian? |
| 12:20.39 | abrotman | prism54.org |
| 12:21.05 | Mazingaro | abrotman: fedora core 6 |
| 12:21.08 | Arnald | nod debian.org then? |
| 12:21.11 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 12:21.27 | abrotman | Arnald: huh ? |
| 12:21.56 | Arnald | I mean is the officeconnect supported in debian (etch) |
| 12:22.10 | stew | Arnald: prism54 is definately supported |
| 12:22.11 | Arnald | or do I have to frig it with external drivers? |
| 12:22.18 | abrotman | i would think so .. but i don't have one |
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| 12:22.28 | abrotman | i thought prism54 had a binary blob |
| 12:22.31 | Arnald | any packages I should use, or is it autodetected? |
| 12:22.43 | Arnald | ok that's great |
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| 12:22.49 | abrotman | linux-wlan-ng |
| 12:22.56 | Arnald | I just installed ubuntu and it came up with no networking |
| 12:23.03 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 12:23.10 | Arnald | despite it seeming OLK during the install |
| 12:23.24 | abrotman | you'd have to ask #ubuntu about the ubuntu install |
| 12:23.25 | Arnald | so I'm thinking I might install etch instead |
| 12:23.50 | Arnald | but I'd like to have networking available that's all |
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| 12:24.03 | Arnald | abrotman: I'm sick of Ubuntu |
| 12:24.09 | abrotman | ok .. well then :) |
| 12:24.14 | DragonD | Anyone in here know how to use sqwebmail? |
| 12:24.20 | Arnald | it's a con as far as I'm concerned |
| 12:24.51 | cahoot | strong words |
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| 12:26.03 | Bokke | Hellow |
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| 12:27.30 | Ironmonk3y | Hi all |
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| 12:27.54 | Ironmonk3y | #flood |
| 12:28.07 | Ironmonk3y | http://www.digg.com/playable_web_games/Tiny_Combat_2_Awesome_Flash_Games i need that dugg if anyone is nice and help ful |
| 12:28.12 | paolob-parroquia | Hi guys, after yesterday's reboot, my debian testing can't run X: X exits with a "Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'". I'm sure I have fixed fonts on my system. Any hint? |
| 12:28.24 | abrotman | Ironmonk3y: GO AWAY |
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| 12:28.34 | Ironmonk3y | http://www.digg.com/playable_web_games/Tiny_Combat_2_Awesome_Flash_Games i need that dugg if anyone is nice and help ful |
| 12:28.43 | liable | wtf |
| 12:28.46 | abrotman | paolob-parroquia: apt-get install xfonts-fixed |
| 12:28.50 | Ironmonk3y | i just need it dugg its easy |
| 12:28.53 | abrotman | !ops Ironmonk3y |
| 12:28.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: Ironmonk3y |
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| 12:29.12 | abrotman | stew: thank you |
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| 12:29.41 | stew | np |
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| 12:31.43 | paolob-parroquia | abrotman, " Couldn't find package xfonts-fixed" |
| 12:32.32 | abrotman | erm .. xfonts-base :) |
| 12:32.59 | paolob-parroquia | abrotman, "xfonts-base is already the newest version." |
| 12:33.09 | paolob-parroquia | abrotman, that's the weird thing! |
| 12:33.35 | abrotman | reinstall it |
| 12:33.48 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-fdbbfad9b02233b11ba1572a631827697766afc4 |
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| 12:35.24 | paolob-parroquia | abrotman, but that page says that I must purge xfonts-base, which means removing xorg! Should I do it? |
| 12:35.38 | abrotman | paolob-parroquia: doesn't it say to force the depends ? |
| 12:36.04 | abrotman | paolob-parroquia: just reinstall them when you get the package again |
| 12:36.12 | paolob-parroquia | abrotman, ok |
| 12:36.24 | abrotman | make a list or something .. keep track .. then install them again |
| 12:36.34 | abrotman | and besides .. X doesn't work right now anyways :) |
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| 12:41.12 | keta | howdy |
| 12:42.12 | abrotman | kemosabe ? |
| 12:43.21 | FrFluffyBottom | Hi there, could anyone give me a pointer on what to search for to get this working: I wish for email provided by my ISP (via IMAP or POP etc) to be injected in to exim, so I can handle all my email from a single store |
| 12:43.24 | Agrajag- | g'day, my /home partition filled up, i've freed space but it seems like the partition is mounted readonly, as i can't create any files ("touch: cannot touch `foobar': Read-only file system"). /etc/mtab tells me "/dev/hda2 /home ext3 rw 0 0", so what's going on? |
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| 12:44.02 | abrotman | FrFluffyBottom: fetchmail or procmail most likely .. or both |
| 12:44.06 | FrFluffyBottom | thanks |
| 12:44.29 | abrotman | Agrajag-: remount it rw |
| 12:44.33 | keta | FrFluffyBottom: or getmail |
| 12:45.04 | FrFluffyBottom | cheers |
| 12:45.08 | Agrajag- | abrotman: hmm but doesn't that mtab line indicate that it is mounted rw? |
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| 12:45.30 | abrotman | you'd think so .. |
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| 12:45.43 | abrotman | Agrajag-: but it's telling you it's ro |
| 12:45.53 | FrFluffyBottom | getmail looks like what I'm after, simple and designed for this sort of job |
| 12:46.03 | Agrajag- | and i dont suppose there's an easy to remount without getting everyone to close everything/logout? |
| 12:46.18 | abrotman | man mount .. there's an option to remount |
| 12:46.27 | Agrajag- | ta |
| 12:46.28 | abrotman | repercussions while people are using it .. dunno |
| 12:47.10 | abrotman | i think it's like -o remount,rw or something similar |
| 12:47.35 | Agrajag- | hmm i tried that, "mount: block device /dev/hda2 is write-protected, mounting read-only" |
| 12:48.05 | abrotman | even remounting as rw won't work ? |
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| 12:48.22 | pepve | When i try to install apache2 (2.0.55-4.2) from snapshot.debian.net, apt-get complains about not being able to find apache2-mpm-prefork (of the same version), which makes sense, but i cannot find that package on snapshot, anyone knows how to solve this? |
| 12:48.42 | Agrajag- | abrotman: nope, that's what it gives me |
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| 12:49.50 | abrotman | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/01/17/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/ |
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| 12:50.36 | pepve | i'm flabbergasted |
| 12:50.45 | abrotman | Agrajag-: because it's full ? |
| 12:50.52 | abrotman | pepve: why ? |
| 12:50.57 | RichiH | Ironmonk3y: please do not spam on #debian |
| 12:51.03 | Agrajag- | abrotman: it filled up, i've freed 5gigs since |
| 12:51.03 | RichiH | heh |
| 12:51.05 | RichiH | timing! |
| 12:51.17 | abrotman | kline! |
| 12:51.21 | Agrajag- | abrotman: which is weird.. because if it's ro, how come i was able to delete files |
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| 12:51.29 | abrotman | Agrajag-: does it still show as full ? |
| 12:51.33 | pepve | abrotman, the sheer complexity of it all, and the fact that you seem to understand it |
| 12:51.42 | abrotman | pepve: i'm a bot! |
| 12:51.43 | Agrajag- | abrotman: no, df tells me there's free space |
| 12:51.50 | pepve | abrotman, hmm, figures |
| 12:51.58 | abrotman | pepve: have a nice day :) |
| 12:52.12 | pepve | thank you, abotman :) |
| 12:52.34 | abrotman | Agrajag-: what is the remount command you used ? |
| 12:52.46 | Agrajag- | abrotman: "mount -o remount,rw /home" |
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| 12:53.11 | abrotman | yeah uh .. afaik . that should work |
| 12:53.15 | karlp_ | is there any easy way of setting up a debian install that has (close to) nothing but apt? Both the business card and netinst grow quite a lot before you actually finish the installer. |
| 12:53.33 | Agrajag- | i am using 2.6.18-1 from sid, maybe it does some weird thing when partitions fill up |
| 12:53.34 | abrotman | deborphan can clean out unneeded packages |
| 12:53.44 | wols | bootfloppies |
| 12:53.46 | abrotman | Agrajag-: it might .. you can't reboot the box ? |
| 12:53.56 | wols | just don't use the tasksel at the end |
| 12:54.00 | Agrajag- | i can.. i'd rather not |
| 12:54.14 | abrotman | i bet wols has the answer! |
| 12:54.22 | wols | a woody bootfloppies ISO is around 30MB or so |
| 12:54.42 | wols | basically all it allows you to is getting online and using apt and a few basic shell commands |
| 12:54.59 | karlp_ | that's exactly what I'm looking for. |
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| 12:55.20 | karlp_ | yeah, at tasksel I chose nothing and exited, but it was still bigger than I wanted. |
| 12:55.29 | karlp_ | thanks, I'll have a look at bootfloppies. |
| 12:55.31 | abrotman | how big is too big ? |
| 12:55.45 | wols | and how do you define bigness? |
| 12:55.49 | karlp_ | how long is a ball of string? *shrugs* |
| 12:55.55 | karlp_ | end goal is jboss installed in less than 1gig |
| 12:55.56 | Agrajag- | abrotman: hmm just found this in syslog: http://pastebin.ca/226345 doesn't look great |
| 12:56.08 | karlp_ | but starting at 600meg just when the install is finished seemd excessive |
| 12:56.10 | abrotman | i assumed karlp_ had a value that he was using for comparison |
| 12:56.46 | Agrajag- | oh well im going to reboot then. eh. |
| 12:56.57 | abrotman | Agrajag-: touch /forcefsck && touch /home/forcefsck .. tell your users the machine will return in 20 minutes .. and reboot |
| 12:57.02 | abrotman | oh well |
| 12:57.06 | wols | to use up 6500MB you must have used tasksel or at least didn't use netinstaller |
| 12:57.14 | wols | *600MB |
| 12:57.33 | abrotman | i have working servers that don't take 600MB of packages |
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| 12:58.11 | wols | I had a full router with samba, apache etc in 170MB |
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| 13:01.37 | mother_ | hi @ all |
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| 13:02.49 | abrotman | !moo |
| 13:02.50 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 13:02.58 | RichiH | what in the three holy hells! |
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| 13:03.12 | RichiH | ther are these.. things which flew into my room |
| 13:03.24 | RichiH | and they were acting as if they were too stupid to fly |
| 13:03.30 | RichiH | always landed on their backs |
| 13:03.47 | abrotman | flying ants ? |
| 13:03.52 | RichiH | and i was thinking 'how can they survive in real life if they are that incompetent' |
| 13:03.53 | wols | humans with wings? |
| 13:04.11 | RichiH | abrotman: no, those are the other ones, they mate next to those things |
| 13:04.25 | abrotman | peeping tom flying ants ? |
| 13:04.26 | RichiH | anyway, they _shed their wings_ and are walking around the floor now |
| 13:04.38 | abrotman | oh .. vacuum bait! |
| 13:04.42 | RichiH | heh |
| 13:04.48 | RichiH | you will not find a vacuum here |
| 13:04.58 | abrotman | aren't you .. married ? |
| 13:05.09 | RichiH | no |
| 13:05.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:05.17 | abrotman | use a broom ? |
| 13:05.17 | RichiH | and she would not fly to india to clean, either |
| 13:05.24 | RichiH | nah, i don't mind |
| 13:05.42 | abrotman | why is RichiH in india ? |
| 13:05.42 | RichiH | let them crawl |
| 13:05.44 | RichiH | abrotman: because he entered a plane that happened to fly there |
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| 13:05.57 | abrotman | RichiH: so much for airport security :) |
| 13:06.04 | RichiH | abrotman: he needs to take a leak, then he will tell you |
| 13:06.20 | abrotman | RichiH is a master of suspense |
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| 13:08.11 | azeem | bt |
| 13:08.30 | RichiH | abrotman: that, too |
| 13:08.38 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:08.47 | RichiH | abrotman: anyway, i am doing my master's thesis |
| 13:08.54 | RichiH | or try to |
| 13:08.58 | abrotman | are germans allowed to leave germany before oktober is over ? |
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| 13:09.10 | abrotman | RichiH: so you'll be there for a while ? |
| 13:09.18 | RichiH | i am kind of a guru on all that is networks over here and people are rushing to ask me stuff |
| 13:09.23 | RichiH | dec 22nd |
| 13:09.39 | abrotman | special networks ? or just regular ones ? |
| 13:10.16 | wols | yes, he sounds like a married guy :) |
| 13:10.17 | RichiH | abrotman: anything networked |
| 13:10.22 | RichiH | abrotman: kids! god, no! |
| 13:10.26 | RichiH | not yet, at least |
| 13:10.37 | wols | richih at a uni there? |
| 13:10.40 | abrotman | you can keep the creepy bugs as pets :) |
| 13:10.46 | RichiH | wols: whatsatsupposedtomeaneh? |
| 13:10.57 | wols | that you doing your thesis |
| 13:11.00 | RichiH | abrotman: i had a cockroach for a full week |
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| 13:11.12 | RichiH | 15:09:47 < wols> yes, he sounds like a married guy :) |
| 13:11.14 | abrotman | you ... *killed* a cockroach ? |
| 13:11.23 | RichiH | abrotman: no |
| 13:11.27 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:11.27 | RichiH | i threw both of them out |
| 13:11.37 | RichiH | one of them made it to the pillow of the other bed |
| 13:11.42 | wols | and don't they have enought IT "specialists" in india themselves? |
| 13:11.54 | abrotman | he's a guru! |
| 13:11.57 | RichiH | wols: i have yet to see them ;) |
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| 13:12.01 | wols | RichiH: means nothing at all. really nothing. at all |
| 13:12.16 | wols | so are you at a uni or corp? |
| 13:12.17 | RichiH | seriously though, they are trying to bootstrap computer science, more or less |
| 13:12.22 | RichiH | uni |
| 13:12.29 | RichiH | wols: yah, yah ;) |
| 13:12.36 | wols | if they try, why is everyone outsourcing to them already? |
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| 13:12.42 | abrotman | can't you jsut give them the etch installer and go home ? |
| 13:12.44 | RichiH | and so it's to be expected that they have huge gaps |
| 13:12.50 | abrotman | wols: cheap and 'good enough' |
| 13:12.55 | RichiH | wols: they are cheap and work six days a week? |
| 13:12.56 | wols | I mean, our politicos already wanted to IMPORT indians here. years ago... |
| 13:13.03 | RichiH | they have stamina |
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| 13:13.13 | abrotman | i've got stamina! |
| 13:13.17 | RichiH | they might not know how to solve it, but they will come up with _something_ |
| 13:13.22 | wols | abrotman: not THAT kind! |
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| 13:13.25 | abrotman | oh goodie .. |
| 13:13.26 | RichiH | which might be horribly, by our standards ;) |
| 13:13.41 | RichiH | wols: i would not assume he meant that kind |
| 13:13.45 | abrotman | bad solution is a solution technique eh? |
| 13:13.48 | RichiH | cause we all know he does not have that |
| 13:13.49 | wols | sounds like a typical MS product :) |
| 13:13.57 | wols | they always release stuff to. given time :) |
| 13:14.11 | cusco | apache 2.2 got into testing isn't it? |
| 13:14.19 | cusco | ] child pid 7635 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
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| 13:14.27 | abrotman | with PHP ? |
| 13:14.31 | cusco | yes |
| 13:14.35 | abrotman | don't do that |
| 13:14.35 | wols | RichiH: I didn't specify what kind exactly either :) |
| 13:14.39 | cusco | my error.log has thousands of these error mensages |
| 13:14.46 | cusco | _| |
| 13:14.51 | cusco | no php? |
| 13:14.53 | abrotman | get bent? :) |
| 13:14.54 | cusco | or no apache2.2 |
| 13:15.01 | wols | not with apache 2.2 |
| 13:15.05 | cusco | damn |
| 13:15.07 | wols | just go back to apache 2.0 |
| 13:15.10 | cusco | yes |
| 13:15.11 | cusco | ok |
| 13:15.13 | abrotman | cusco: in etch they don't currently work together .. they will soon |
| 13:15.24 | wols | what's so important about 2.2 anyways? |
| 13:15.29 | netsrac | Hi! Is it possible to use codes like \033[01;32;40m in /etc/motd? |
| 13:15.30 | cusco | whats the easyest way to roll back |
| 13:15.30 | cusco | ? |
| 13:15.40 | abrotman | they just pushed it in .. without also pushing the fixed php5 |
| 13:15.44 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 13:15.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 13:16.14 | cusco | thanks |
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| 13:16.25 | asg | cvs -q up -rOPENBSD_3_9 -Pd |
| 13:16.27 | asg | fuck |
| 13:16.28 | asg | ECHAN |
| 13:16.34 | abrotman | no kidding? |
| 13:16.45 | abrotman | !bsdsmite asg |
| 13:16.48 | abrotman | oh well |
| 13:17.16 | abrotman | !coffee asg |
| 13:17.39 | asg | abrotman: eh, it's almost beer time |
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| 13:17.49 | abrotman | apparently you need more coffee :) |
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| 13:18.15 | asg | abrotman: no, just a faster system. It's so old, even screen(1) was lagging |
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| 13:18.21 | abrotman | doh! |
| 13:18.24 | pepve | Why does libapache2-mod-php4 depend on apache2.2-common? While it's description states: "apache 2.0 module"... |
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| 13:18.47 | abrotman | pepve: you're running etch aren't you ? |
| 13:19.06 | pepve | abrotman, it etch is testing, i'm always confused with the names |
| 13:19.22 | abrotman | etch is currently testing ... yes |
| 13:19.32 | abrotman | and the fixed php packages aren't in testing yet |
| 13:20.06 | hq4ever | whats wrong with php on etch ? |
| 13:20.17 | pepve | i'm not really in the position to wait for them :) |
| 13:20.20 | abrotman | ok damn it .. can we get this in the topic or something ? |
| 13:20.31 | wols | what is not wrong with php anywhere is the better question :) |
| 13:20.34 | abrotman | hq4ever: php + apache2.2 in etch is broken |
| 13:20.46 | abrotman | either downgrade to apache2.0 or wait for fixed php5 packages |
| 13:21.01 | asg | wols: at least it doesn't come with register_globals enabled by default anymore. |
| 13:21.04 | hq4ever | sh*t |
| 13:21.12 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:21.14 | wols | asg: small comforts :) |
| 13:21.15 | pepve | i'm trying to downgrade, but the dependency on apache2.2 won;t let me... |
| 13:21.19 | pepve | won't* |
| 13:21.23 | hq4ever | really?? can anyone point us to the bug ? |
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| 13:21.33 | asg | wols: yeah :) |
| 13:22.00 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=392090 |
| 13:22.07 | abrotman | i guess that's it .. |
| 13:22.27 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=391387 |
| 13:22.47 | hq4ever | abrotman, thank you |
| 13:22.48 | wols | asg: sometimes it gets so bad, I wish perl would be the main webprogramming lang for shared hosting :) |
| 13:23.15 | asg | wols: well, it was for the longest time |
| 13:23.24 | hq4ever | btw, I don't know if this is related to this bug or not but I'm having a simillar issue with libapache2_mod_pam |
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| 13:23.47 | hq4ever | I've installed then removed, then installed again and now apache simply won't load the module anymore... |
| 13:23.48 | asg | wols: I'm sure these days, it's ajax on ruby on rails on crack. |
| 13:23.52 | abrotman | probably every separate module from apache needs a new pacakge since apache2.2 went into etch |
| 13:23.55 | wols | asg: yes, but perl! shows you how desperate I am! |
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| 13:23.59 | asg | wols: hehe |
| 13:24.05 | wols | rails looks like a fad to me |
| 13:24.08 | wols | I doubt it will stick |
| 13:24.16 | wols | and I sure hope ajax doesn't stick either |
| 13:24.18 | abrotman | ada4web! |
| 13:24.29 | abrotman | ajax is useful when not abused |
| 13:24.40 | asg | abrotman: so was <blink/> |
| 13:24.47 | abrotman | eh ... no |
| 13:24.50 | wols | the result of ajax is neato. but the way to get there is so much crud on top of more crud I wanna throw up seeing it |
| 13:25.08 | abrotman | wols: it's not bad if you don't try to support all the browsers :) |
| 13:25.23 | wols | but what's the point if you don't? |
| 13:25.41 | abrotman | you just stick one of those "This only works with non-MS browsers" on it :) |
| 13:25.55 | abrotman | and maybe with IE7 it might actually work |
| 13:26.07 | asg | abrotman: or install mod-msff |
| 13:26.21 | wols | mod-msff? wassat? |
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| 13:26.32 | asg | wols: apache module for microsoft free fridays |
| 13:26.49 | asg | wols: more of a demo on how to build one in C. |
| 13:26.53 | wols | so every friday IE no workie? |
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| 13:27.04 | asg | wols: or any browser claiming to be IE |
| 13:27.17 | wols | cool. sounds like a useful mod |
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| 13:28.04 | wols | and gradually we can extend the days with the newer versions |
| 13:28.33 | rhsanborn | morning guys |
| 13:28.51 | abrotman | it's like .. brunch time! |
| 13:29.07 | wols | at almost 4pm? |
| 13:29.17 | abrotman | wols: not for you! |
| 13:29.23 | abrotman | !tea wols |
| 13:29.31 | wols | thanks |
| 13:29.51 | rhsanborn | I have a rather general question...I was curious how many of you would like to see Linux become a more popular OS, or if you don't care how difficult it is so long as its stable, secure, and you can get it to work... |
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| 13:30.13 | valdyn | !pollss |
| 13:30.14 | valdyn | !polls |
| 13:30.15 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 13:30.17 | dvs | rhsanborn: the latter |
| 13:30.26 | abrotman | latter! |
| 13:30.36 | liable | flamebait |
| 13:30.44 | rhsanborn | liable, not trying to be |
| 13:31.14 | wols | rhsanborn: this was a sample. to get the real answers to your poll please donate USD 50 to SPI and we will answer you |
| 13:31.19 | liable | rhsanborn: fair nough, but its one of those questions that eventually ends up in a flamewar |
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| 13:31.34 | abrotman | i mean .. if you have to choose one scenario or the other .. MS has a monopoly on popular insecure instable OSes ... |
| 13:31.58 | rhsanborn | I was curious what the general idea was. Linux has gotten substantially easier over the last 5ish years, but it doesn't seem like many are developing linux to be mainstream. |
| 13:32.18 | rhsanborn | abrotman, agreed. I think Linux could be stable and at least a bit more straight forward |
| 13:32.32 | rhsanborn | liable, noted :P |
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| 13:35.04 | jvm | hi. i tried to connect a kodak dx7440 camera to my debian system. the camera is supported by digikam. dmesg shows that the usb device is correctly recognized, but it doesn't add a /dev-device. digikam doesn't recognize the camera. other usb mass storage devices work without problems. any idea? |
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| 13:40.24 | jair | hello guys :) |
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| 13:42.06 | ping_win | I have installed Debian but now don't have CDs, are there repositories on internet that can take place of them? |
| 13:42.12 | asg | !mirrors |
| 13:42.13 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 13:42.21 | dvs | no/ |
| 13:42.29 | jair | FYI, I was running into an issue with the memory update on my Debian sarge machine, I upgrade the hardware from 512MB ram to 2GB and the machine first did not wanted to recognize it. I upgrade to the latest kernel and it works, but it was just the latest kernel for stable 2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 13:42.54 | jair | it is anybody here using "irssi" ? |
| 13:42.59 | asg | jair: most people are |
| 13:43.06 | js_ | i use irssi |
| 13:43.07 | jair | asg: love it |
| 13:43.21 | jair | just want to say that is the best thing to get into IRC |
| 13:43.27 | asg | jair: screen + irssi (even better) |
| 13:43.36 | jair | and I know that I can customiced with everything |
| 13:43.45 | jair | that is what I have asg |
| 13:43.49 | liable | jvm: does it work as root? |
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| 13:44.56 | jair | the only thing is, I want to get this accomplished: 1) log in to the servers (freenode) automatically without have to type the commands "/server irc.freenode.org" and then join the channels #debian #kanotix etc.. automatically. |
| 13:45.17 | wols | jair: irssi.org the getting started stuff explains it |
| 13:45.22 | liable | jair: theres some good docs at irssi.org |
| 13:45.28 | jvm | liable: yes, thank you. didn't try to run digikam as root. what do i've to do for it to work as a normal user? |
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| 13:45.33 | Laurent` | hi |
| 13:45.33 | jvm | liable: add some group? |
| 13:45.44 | liable | jvm: add youself to camera group |
| 13:45.51 | liable | jvm: log out, log in |
| 13:45.52 | jair | asg: And one of the most important things I want to accomplish with irssi is, 2)autosave the conversations or logs :) |
| 13:46.17 | jair | wols: hmm |
| 13:46.22 | wols | jair: /set autolog |
| 13:46.40 | jair | what about switch the colors to a dark screen with ithe letters? |
| 13:46.42 | wols | set it to on and save your config again |
| 13:46.43 | jair | white |
| 13:46.54 | wols | get a different theme or write your own |
| 13:47.00 | liable | jair: there was a libgphoto? update today in sid, that mentions plugdev from now on too |
| 13:47.03 | jvm | liable: thanks for your help |
| 13:47.10 | liable | jvm: ^^ |
| 13:47.10 | jair | wols: I am very new in this and I think is all perl scrips correct? |
| 13:47.20 | wols | themes aren't. scripts are |
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| 13:47.24 | jair | liable: wrong guy :) |
| 13:47.30 | liable | ya :) |
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| 13:47.43 | wols | and settings like autolog and automatic ident to nickserv isn't either |
| 13:47.43 | Laurent` | i try to use ssh with a specific interface (eth1 and not eth0) ... i use the "-b" argument, but it dont realy user the interface given, it use only the ip ... i can't find argument for than in man, is it possible ? |
| 13:47.58 | wols | Laurent`: ssh or sshd? |
| 13:48.04 | jair | wols: al I want is autosave, autologin, back background, green-yellow letters. |
| 13:48.17 | wols | jair: and I told you how to get it |
| 13:48.18 | Laurent` | sshd listen to all interfaces, that's good |
| 13:48.20 | jair | all these is on the irssi site then? |
| 13:48.28 | Laurent` | but ssh can connect only with eth0 |
| 13:48.32 | dvs | jair: there's only one way to find out |
| 13:48.34 | dvs | ;-) |
| 13:48.35 | jair | wols: but how do i save the configuration? |
| 13:48.45 | jair | dvs: checking the manual ;) |
| 13:48.46 | wols | jair: you start by reading irssi docs |
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| 13:48.49 | liable | jair: its all explained, go read |
| 13:48.52 | wols | or type /help |
| 13:49.00 | jair | nice thanks |
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| 13:49.27 | peterrus | hello |
| 13:49.44 | roxy_ | what app can we use for videoconferencing on a company level ? |
| 13:49.46 | jair | BUT, I will go read my friends ;) |
| 13:49.56 | wols | no. we're getting really tired of lazy people who want to prechew us everything for them instead of reading documentation |
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| 13:50.19 | jair | right |
| 13:50.41 | peterrus | roxy_ gnomemeeting? |
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| 13:50.51 | peterrus | as an example |
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| 13:51.26 | roxy_ | peterrus: I thought ekiga was the client part only. |
| 13:52.08 | peterrus | roxy_, could be, i have never used such a program, but i heard there was one that was compatible with micro$oft netmeeting |
| 13:52.16 | Laurent` | any idea wols ? (i read man :p, but nothing about that ...) |
| 13:52.39 | liable | laters |
| 13:53.05 | jair | that is exactly why I said "BUT I will go to read the manual" but if I have an answer to a newbie I will not send him to read if I git it from the top of my head, come on, what is happening with the collaboration and help? people will start leaving the irc channels because they will think, " If I go to IRC people will send me to read " forget it, then this can bring as consecuence, "Less support ($) donations on the channels, less p |
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| 13:53.21 | wols | if your ssh can't reach the proper sshd by simply ssh <ip or hostname> your routing is fucked up imho |
| 13:53.31 | wols | why does it NEED to use a certain interface? |
| 13:53.52 | Laurent` | because one is 100mbps and the other 1gbps ... |
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| 13:54.08 | wols | hehe. donations in $ for this channel? what world are you living in? |
| 13:54.12 | Laurent` | so one is connected to a switch an the other directly to an other 1gbps server |
| 13:54.22 | wols | Laurent`: fix your routing then. and speed doesn#t matter with ssh... |
| 13:54.23 | jair | wols: freenode ;) |
| 13:54.45 | wols | debian's official server is NOT freenode |
| 13:54.54 | peterrus | doh |
| 13:54.56 | Laurent` | i know for speed, it's just the explication for needing the specific interface |
| 13:54.57 | jair | but it is ok, you guys send people to read I will go read and send people to the channels :) |
| 13:55.01 | wols | and we're NOT paid by freenode to give support. we're volunteers |
| 13:55.11 | h3sp4wn | So if so many people use irssi maybe someone can help me with this - I run irssi in xterm and have XTerm*eightBitInput: false and XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true - which makes alt + number work but however I cannot get alt + left arrow and alt + right arrow to work (I know I need to map it with ~/.Xdefaults also but haven't managed to work out how) |
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| 13:55.42 | roxy_ | wols: your support sucks, give me my money back NOW. |
| 13:55.44 | peterrus | h3sp4wn, did you do a xrdb -all .Xdefaults ? after making changes in it? |
| 13:55.56 | wols | !lart roxy_ |
| 13:56.04 | wols | do you want change with that? |
| 13:56.16 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 13:56.33 | wols | abrotman: clothed I hope? |
| 13:56.41 | abrotman | money! |
| 13:56.43 | peterrus | exDee |
| 13:56.57 | jair | h3sp4wn: would love to help but honestly I am newbie on irssi, and have to go read the manual, in order to help. |
| 13:56.59 | wols | clothed in money? how extravagant |
| 13:57.12 | asg | jair: as well as the info at irssi.org |
| 13:57.19 | wols | h3sp4wn: sounds like a X key problem to me |
| 13:57.20 | h3sp4wn | peterrus: I load it - xrdb -load /home/samw/.Xdefaults & from .Xsession (should I use -all) |
| 13:57.33 | jair | asg: thanks |
| 13:57.47 | peterrus | h3sp4wn, use the thing i said above |
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| 13:58.28 | h3sp4wn | wols: The keymap is right (the keys are sending something which I can see with cat) |
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| 13:58.44 | azeem | gravity \o/ |
| 13:58.56 | asg | DD love! |
| 13:58.59 | gravity | azeem: Yo |
| 13:59.01 | abrotman | how cute |
| 13:59.15 | abrotman | next they'll trade stickers and gossip about girls |
| 13:59.24 | azeem | next time I will greet him in #debian-devels-who-bash-#d-regulars again |
| 13:59.32 | gravity | hehe |
| 13:59.38 | Althaser | do you guys know where apache2 sets its DirectoryIndex ? please |
| 13:59.51 | abrotman | azeem: self-loather ? |
| 14:00.20 | dvs | Althaser: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 14:01.40 | Althaser | dvs it isn't on 2.2.3 version ;( |
| 14:01.49 | peterrus | I need help now and dont want to read please help me now, fast please i have no time! my pc does not start anymore! i need help! fast! |
| 14:01.59 | asg | !hurry |
| 14:02.00 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 14:02.05 | peterrus | sorry, couldt help that |
| 14:02.21 | peterrus | i see too much of those people |
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| 14:02.31 | peterrus | !praise dpkg |
| 14:02.51 | azeem | dpkg is female! |
| 14:02.55 | peterrus | indeed |
| 14:03.10 | azeem | peterrus: yeah well, it might get annoying |
| 14:03.13 | peterrus | !dpkg ChanServ |
| 14:03.14 | azeem | just don't answer those requests |
| 14:03.17 | roxy_ | can asterisk be used for videoconferencing ? |
| 14:03.19 | peterrus | haha |
| 14:03.28 | azeem | we treasure every user honestly looking for help here, though |
| 14:03.31 | peterrus | lol |
| 14:03.37 | peterrus | !praise chanserv |
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| 14:04.15 | abrotman | azeem: even the ubuntu ones? :) |
| 14:04.22 | peterrus | azeem, yeah, well it might not look that abvious to read like 10 books before you start using linux, but in fact it is |
| 14:04.33 | azeem | abrotman: tzzz, please update your definition of "user" |
| 14:04.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:04.47 | peterrus | lol |
| 14:05.06 | abrotman | see .. those that 'lol' aren't really users |
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| 14:05.27 | tjousk | Indeed? |
| 14:05.28 | peterrus | omg xD |
| 14:05.42 | wols | if we only helped users and sent lusers away we'd have a pretty empty channel :) |
| 14:06.03 | abrotman | wols: but we'd have clued-in users! |
| 14:06.26 | wols | maybe. but where would you and me then go? |
| 14:06.35 | asg | wols: -ot |
| 14:06.35 | abrotman | to #ubuntu ? :) |
| 14:06.44 | peterrus | no way period |
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| 14:07.17 | wols | they already banned me once |
| 14:07.27 | abrotman | #ubuntu or #debian ? |
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| 14:07.34 | wols | and I'm sure I could manage it easily once more |
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| 14:07.53 | dvs | wols: Yeah, say something smart. ;-) |
| 14:07.54 | wols | äubuntu. and it wasn't even me who was trolling but the other guy which I took offense in |
| 14:07.57 | azeem | it is also easy to get banned in here |
| 14:08.05 | azeem | if you know how to do it properly |
| 14:08.12 | karlp_ | hmm, so wols, etch beta 3, business card cd, was 410meg without me choosing anything at all. |
| 14:08.13 | abrotman | i do! |
| 14:08.17 | wols | azeem: seems I'M a failure as usual then |
| 14:08.20 | karlp_ | (how come saying NO to pop con still installs popcon?!) |
| 14:08.31 | wols | karlp_: a business card is no netinst, now is it? |
| 14:08.34 | azeem | wols: you need to set yourself more ambitious goals |
| 14:08.41 | azeem | try to get banned in #emacs |
| 14:08.46 | azeem | I heard it is more difficult |
| 14:08.50 | wols | does it exist? |
| 14:08.56 | karlp_ | no, I guess not, but I thought it would have been just the same, only with even less on teh disc. |
| 14:09.01 | azeem | wols: IRC was invented for #emacs |
| 14:09.01 | wols | do I have to do more than sing the praises of vi? |
| 14:09.14 | wols | I doubt the fins invented it for emacs... |
| 14:09.19 | karlp_ | I take it I should try again with a netinst iso, not the bcard iso :) |
| 14:09.21 | azeem | wols: just kidding |
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| 14:09.28 | Feax | samba is installed but when I make a right click and partage in KDE I can't tick samba :S. |
| 14:09.30 | abrotman | karlp_: and don't use anything from http sources .. just use the CD |
| 14:09.39 | abrotman | smbclient ? |
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| 14:10.05 | lkthomas | hey all |
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| 14:10.12 | Madeye_ | guys, I'm not able to login to my desktop getting error referring to .xsession_errors which contain "mkdtemp: private socket dir: permission denied", please advise |
| 14:10.15 | wols | Feax: smbfs needs to be installed at least |
| 14:10.25 | wols | sambe is for hosting network shares. smbfs is for connecting to them |
| 14:10.33 | abrotman | oh .. french samba! |
| 14:10.41 | lkthomas | I want to know if I restore my root system using my backup tar archive, isn't that would be a overlapping between old and new system ? how to avoid it ? |
| 14:10.49 | wols | abrotman: it has more sex appeal |
| 14:11.03 | Madeye_ | hahah more sex appeal, I like it dude |
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| 14:11.08 | Feax | wols: with smbfs too I had a problem and I uninstalled samba, now I had problem for installing and it is installed but now when I right clik and share, I can't tick samba :S |
| 14:11.11 | abrotman | wols: i find it hard to believe that CIFS could ever have sex appeal |
| 14:11.18 | peterrus | Madeye_, go to the console (ctrl + alt + f1. log in as root and then chown your homefolder recursively to you and chmod 700 recorsive it to you |
| 14:11.34 | wols | abrotman: there are a lot of masochistic bottoms in this worlds |
| 14:11.36 | wols | -s |
| 14:11.44 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:11.57 | Madeye_ | peterrus so it's chown -R jad:jad and chmod -R 700 for /home/jad ? |
| 14:12.17 | peterrus | why the : ? |
| 14:12.22 | abrotman | probably do u+rwx so you don't mess up anything else |
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| 14:12.26 | abrotman | peterrooney: group ? |
| 14:12.29 | jair | can I edit the config file of irssi while I have it running like this, so for the next time I just run the command and will save this changes, or it will affect this connection right away? |
| 14:12.29 | abrotman | user:group |
| 14:12.32 | peterrus | lolz |
| 14:12.33 | Madeye_ | peterrus user and group ? |
| 14:12.33 | peterrus | okay |
| 14:12.36 | peterrus | i didnt know |
| 14:12.37 | peterrus | :) |
| 14:12.39 | abrotman | wow |
| 14:12.41 | peterrus | that should be it |
| 14:12.47 | jair | I am working on automate my access to the irssi, :) config file |
| 14:12.56 | abrotman | Madeye_: i'd use chmod u+rwx instead of 700 |
| 14:12.58 | Madeye_ | peterrus hmm well, but at least you are sure about the fix ? |
| 14:13.10 | stse | Hi. How do I use the new apt-listbugs (etch) with proxy? The variables http_proxy and soap_use_proxy are set, but I always get "E: Empty stream from SOAP". Any hints? |
| 14:13.11 | peterrus | Madeye_, nope, but it wont hurt you |
| 14:13.11 | abrotman | if you're going to use that fix :) |
| 14:13.28 | abrotman | well . making everything executable could be bad ... |
| 14:13.34 | peterrus | yeah okay |
| 14:13.34 | peterrus | that |
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| 14:13.46 | Madeye_ | hrm |
| 14:13.46 | peterrus | at least you can try |
| 14:13.52 | abrotman | probably better to try to find out what ti's actually trying to do |
| 14:13.55 | Madeye_ | abrotman so any other solution so I can login to my desktop ? |
| 14:13.59 | jair | peterrus: are you connecting from a company with a firewall or proxy stuff protection? |
| 14:14.08 | abrotman | Madeye_: find out what it's really trying to do |
| 14:14.19 | peterrus | jair, maybe, why? |
| 14:14.34 | Madeye_ | abrotman the error in .xsessions_error is "mkdtemp: private socket dir: permission denied" |
| 14:14.47 | abrotman | Madeye_: ls -ld /tmp/ |
| 14:14.55 | peterrus | LSD :D |
| 14:15.07 | abrotman | $ ls -ld /tmp/ |
| 14:15.07 | abrotman | drwxrwxrwt 11 root root 4096 2006-10-28 07:39 /tmp/ |
| 14:15.08 | Madeye_ | abrotman it's root:root |
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| 14:15.17 | abrotman | Madeye_: we need the first part :) |
| 14:15.21 | jair | is because, if then, you will have to edit the source.lst and put in front of the command line (proxy address username and password) if you are fighting with a windows proxy |
| 14:15.25 | jair | like ISA |
| 14:15.36 | Feax | For installed debian with a core 2 duo, I take i386 or i64 or AMD64 ? |
| 14:15.41 | Madeye_ | heh |
| 14:15.41 | Madeye_ | ok |
| 14:15.43 | Madeye_ | abrotman it |
| 14:15.45 | abrotman | not itanium |
| 14:15.51 | Madeye_ | it's drwxr-xr-x 4 |
| 14:15.54 | abrotman | Feax: amd64 or i386 |
| 14:15.55 | peterrus | jair, yeah, but what has that to do with me? |
| 14:16.01 | abrotman | Madeye_: that's from ls -ld /tmp/ ? |
| 14:16.01 | jair | Feax: I will say 686 |
| 14:16.07 | jair | Feax: i686 |
| 14:16.10 | blondie | abrotman: AMD64 on an intel cpu? |
| 14:16.15 | wols | Madeye_: chmod 1777 /tmp as root |
| 14:16.17 | abrotman | blondie: em64t |
| 14:16.21 | wols | blondie: yes |
| 14:16.24 | Madeye_ | abrotman yup, is there anyway to excute command from bitchx and paste it directly to the channel ? |
| 14:16.31 | Feax | abrotman and jair: i386 don't work, I have actually kmuto.jp backported image but I want official |
| 14:16.34 | blondie | jair: there is no i686 version :) |
| 14:16.35 | wols | Madeye_: if you paste you get kicked |
| 14:16.37 | abrotman | Madeye_: /exec -o ls -ld /tmp/ |
| 14:16.43 | abrotman | Madeye_: just do what wols said .. and try again |
| 14:16.48 | jair | peterrus: never mind I though you were having problems with that to download things from apt.sources |
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| 14:16.53 | abrotman | Feax: they won't .. because of the SATA controller |
| 14:16.58 | Madeye_ | drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 4096 2006-10-28 15:56 /tmp/ |
| 14:17.00 | Madeye_ | wow |
| 14:17.03 | jair | I mean 686 |
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| 14:17.07 | peterrus | jair, not at all, did i say that? |
| 14:17.20 | wols | blondie: we also use an intel ISA with AMD CPUs since forever btw |
| 14:17.22 | Madeye_ | abrotman it worked! thanks dude :-) |
| 14:17.26 | Feax | ok abrotman |
| 14:17.28 | abrotman | Madeye_: thank wols too! |
| 14:17.36 | blondie | wols: "since forever" makes no sense btw |
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| 14:17.44 | Madeye_ | abrotman you sexy appealing dude! goodbye :* |
| 14:17.49 | dvs | ha! |
| 14:17.51 | jair | Feax: blondie 2.6.8-3-686 this is what I am talking about and it is a i386 ;) |
| 14:17.59 | abrotman | uhm .. thank you? :) |
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| 14:18.03 | asg | Madeye_: you haven't seen the pictures apparently |
| 14:18.07 | peterrus | nohoho :p |
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| 14:18.11 | Madeye_ | exit |
| 14:18.15 | wols | abrotman: your dance must be unclothed then |
| 14:18.16 | blondie | jair: I don't think he was asking about the kernel. |
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| 14:18.23 | Feax | jair I have 2.6.18-1-686 backported |
| 14:18.25 | jair | blondie: ohhh ok |
| 14:18.36 | asg | wols: if abrotman does the 'Dance of 7 Veils', I'm definitely leaving |
| 14:18.48 | jair | Feax: that is good then |
| 14:18.54 | peterrus | i need a NASA supercomputer, someone please send me one |
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| 14:19.13 | wols | asg: I'm still hoping the the clothed in money type dance. Then I could maybe strip him. I'd the marked for life but maybe I'd be rich too |
| 14:19.15 | abrotman | asg: do you have a pole in your living room ? |
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| 14:19.30 | asg | abrotman: I have a square column if that will suffice |
| 14:19.38 | asg | wols: too true, too true |
| 14:19.40 | abrotman | asg: i'd rather not become bow-legged :) |
| 14:19.42 | peterrus | abrotman, if he is a firefighter he might |
| 14:19.56 | wols | peterrus: or batman |
| 14:20.02 | peterrus | could be |
| 14:20.05 | abrotman | ghostbusters .. HELLO?!?! |
| 14:20.08 | Feax | yes but jair I had a problem with samba, so I uninstalled it, and now I have a error when I try to install it, finally i have installed it but when I right click on a file in KDE and after I click share, I can't tick samba :S |
| 14:20.12 | peterrus | but batman is sooo passé |
| 14:20.20 | jair | if I am using the KDE Konsole as terminal window, it is a way i can change the colors of the background? |
| 14:20.29 | blondie | ARGH!!!!!! |
| 14:20.33 | peterrus | jair, lol yes |
| 14:20.42 | jair | I want to have a background black and letters green or yellow |
| 14:20.45 | wols | well he DOES have a personality and psychology problem. but he's rich and gets hawt chicks so it evens out |
| 14:20.52 | peterrus | jair, what about changing color profiles or somthing |
| 14:20.53 | blondie | machine just rebooted after first part of sarge install.... and I just get screens full of "40" :| |
| 14:20.56 | blondie | wtf is that? |
| 14:21.02 | peterrus | blondie, lol |
| 14:21.07 | jair | peterrus: but this is a change on the KDE konsole, it is not a change of the colors in the irssi |
| 14:21.11 | peterrus | blondie, something with you bootloader |
| 14:21.13 | wols | blondie: grub loves you |
| 14:21.14 | peterrus | i also had it once |
| 14:21.31 | peterrus | jair, thats irssi |
| 14:21.43 | blondie | :'( |
| 14:21.52 | jair | hmm i saw something about the colors |
| 14:21.53 | peterrus | blondie, rescue cd and reinstall grub |
| 14:21.59 | jair | on the site |
| 14:22.02 | blondie | I only just installed grub :S |
| 14:22.21 | Feax | I had a problem with samba, so I uninstalled it, and now I have a error when I try to install it, finally i have installed it but when I right click on a file in KDE and after I click share, I can't tick samba :S |
| 14:22.37 | peterrus | Feax, you are becomming anoying |
| 14:22.46 | Feax | thanks |
| 14:22.52 | abrotman | peterrus: you're way past annoying |
| 14:22.52 | wols | !tell feax about repeat |
| 14:22.58 | peterrus | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:23.26 | peterrus | i hear that alot, the world rejects me, this world never gave me a chance |
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| 14:23.45 | asg | peterrus: that's because you use 'lol' as punctuation |
| 14:23.52 | peterrus | lool? |
| 14:24.07 | jair | peterrus: this is something similar to what i want: http://irssi.org/themefiles/sfc1337.png |
| 14:24.09 | asg | punctuation, not palindrome |
| 14:24.11 | abrotman | this is where we need a * Phated stabs peterrus |
| 14:24.22 | peterrus | sigh |
| 14:24.28 | peterrus | noone loves me |
| 14:24.37 | wols | Phated: wakey. you have a job to do |
| 14:24.42 | peterrus | ill rot away under a pile of debian cd's |
| 14:24.45 | jair | peterrus: and if I can make all the terminals in console looks like that i will be happy ;) |
| 14:24.51 | Charminthemoose | !kill peterrus |
| 14:25.03 | peterrus | jair, ive never even seen irssi so dont ask me |
| 14:25.09 | peterrus | OMG |
| 14:25.12 | jair | peterrus: Thank you |
| 14:25.15 | peterrus | those crappy bastard cds |
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| 14:25.17 | abrotman | that's an irrsi theme .. ask #irssi |
| 14:25.26 | peterrus | i had a pile of them when i was 10 |
| 14:25.46 | wols | peterrus: thanks for confirmung my prejudices |
| 14:26.01 | Charminthemoose | I've only ever had about 1 in the 16 years of my life on this miserable planet |
| 14:26.02 | peterrus | but i didnt have an internet connection |
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| 14:26.17 | Charminthemoose | by 1 i mean an aol cd. |
| 14:26.56 | peterrus | Charminthemoose, i also had some other free internet cd's all of them windows orientated |
| 14:26.59 | peterrus | horrible |
| 14:27.16 | peterrus | they have their heads in their asses |
| 14:27.29 | lunitik | Horrible mess, but pretty fun... heh |
| 14:27.53 | blondie | Charminthemoose: is your nick a verb or a noun? |
| 14:27.54 | peterrus | i broke one once , and then there was a silvery confetty in my room, all of a sudden |
| 14:28.04 | Charminthemoose | It's a noun |
| 14:28.20 | Charminthemoose | it's based on the Charmin the bear on the toilet paper and he's now a moose! |
| 14:28.31 | dvs | cha cha cha? |
| 14:28.34 | abrotman | /nick CharminTheMoose ? |
| 14:28.55 | blondie | :o |
| 14:28.59 | peterrus | =0 |
| 14:29.05 | peterrus | lol |
| 14:29.07 | Charminthemoose | yup dvs and abrotman. |
| 14:29.09 | Charminthemoose | :) |
| 14:29.30 | abrotman | etch netinsts are broken |
| 14:29.31 | peterrus | blondie, i think you will get 60's instead |
| 14:29.39 | blondie | :( |
| 14:29.46 | peterrus | netinst sucks |
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| 14:29.55 | peterrus | IMHO |
| 14:30.00 | abrotman | peterrus: don't you have to go to swimming lessons or something ? |
| 14:30.04 | lunitik | petemc: netinst is the only true installation method ;) |
| 14:30.05 | Charminthemoose | blondie:lDon't use lilo!!! |
| 14:30.07 | abrotman | blondie: use a full etch ISO |
| 14:30.08 | Charminthemoose | blaah |
| 14:30.14 | peterrus | abrotman, that was not really nicce |
| 14:30.22 | abrotman | then shut up already |
| 14:30.22 | peterrus | petemc? |
| 14:30.23 | peterrus | lol |
| 14:30.26 | Charminthemoose | grub FTW |
| 14:30.29 | peterrus | abrotman, it was my opinion |
| 14:30.29 | blondie | a full one? I'd rather netinst |
| 14:30.29 | marcot | Is there someone from Cottbus around here? |
| 14:30.47 | blondie | marcot: where? |
| 14:30.50 | abrotman | blondie: netinst broken .. dont' believe me .. ask #debian-boot on oftc |
| 14:30.56 | marcot | blondie: Cottbus, Germany. |
| 14:30.59 | peterrus | abrotman, i didnt want to hurt your feelings |
| 14:31.11 | blondie | abrotman: broken since when? |
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| 14:31.24 | asg | marcot: try #debian.de |
| 14:31.32 | marcot | asg: thanks. |
| 14:31.40 | blondie | abrotman: I can't use oftc |
| 14:31.44 | abrotman | blondie: since like .. two weeks ago? they started prepping for RC1 of the installer |
| 14:32.07 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2006/20061017 |
| 14:32.16 | blondie | abrotman: oh, the one I have is older than that |
| 14:32.26 | abrotman | uhm .. that won't help |
| 14:32.28 | peterrus | i hope nvidia drivers will be back soon in ethc |
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| 14:32.29 | blondie | why? |
| 14:32.35 | abrotman | ok .. try it |
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| 14:32.56 | blondie | oh I see. |
| 14:32.57 | blondie | ffs. |
| 14:33.03 | Debonair_Dude | i am trying to install DEbian on a system where XP is already installed |
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| 14:33.14 | blondie | abrotman: I'll just use gentoo instead! |
| 14:33.18 | abrotman | okay |
| 14:33.29 | Debonair_Dude | it asks me whether I should install it at rootpoint or MBR |
| 14:33.34 | Debonair_Dude | what do i do |
| 14:33.35 | Debonair_Dude | ? |
| 14:33.40 | blondie | (actually I wont... I'll just go and cry for a while) |
| 14:33.58 | lunitik | abrotman: how are they changing the archive for RC1? know any details of what they're doing? |
| 14:34.10 | lunitik | blondie: meh... it'll be fixed by the time you get Gentoo installed :P |
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| 14:34.23 | abrotman | lunitik: something about the udebs |
| 14:34.24 | infoclog | i am trying to install DEbian on a system where XP is already installed |
| 14:34.27 | infoclog | it asks me whether I should install it at rootpoint or MBR |
| 14:34.29 | infoclog | what do i do |
| 14:34.52 | abrotman | grub can boot XP |
| 14:34.58 | jareth_ | infoclog: MBR will be fine then |
| 14:35.07 | lunitik | infoclog: unless you know what to use for boot.ini to point at linux... use Grub |
| 14:35.25 | jair | quick questions guys, the directory " .irssi" can be only found here--> /root/ or is in any user? for example: /home/jair? |
| 14:35.39 | lunitik | infoclog: MBR for grub, unless you're familier with boot.ini |
| 14:35.42 | jair | this is just a OS application question |
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| 14:35.49 | jair | for those who use irssi |
| 14:35.56 | infoclog | jareth_ , wont it rewrite the MBR..in which case..i wud lose the XP information |
| 14:35.58 | blondie | jair: #irssi.... but yes in an home directory. |
| 14:36.05 | lunitik | jair: any user that uses irssi should have a ~/.irssi |
| 14:36.07 | blondie | jair: and dont run irssi as root you n00b |
| 14:36.13 | lunitik | jair: if root has one... you're a moron |
| 14:36.18 | jareth_ | infoclog: you will have to boot XP in grub |
| 14:36.18 | Charminthemoose | infoclog:but you can make grub boot xp |
| 14:36.19 | SPOPPO | Hello |
| 14:36.23 | unixslut | hey |
| 14:36.29 | blondie | grubs SUCKS! |
| 14:36.31 | blondie | -s |
| 14:36.36 | jareth_ | infoclog: grub will find your XP partition automatically |
| 14:36.52 | jair | I will have to check and change my configuation |
| 14:36.53 | Charminthemoose | lilo SUCKS! |
| 14:36.55 | infoclog | jareth_ , i have a lilo and not grub |
| 14:37.18 | jair | should I delete it then ? the .irssi on my /root/ directory? |
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| 14:37.27 | abrotman | lilo can also boot XP |
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| 14:37.39 | blondie | lilo worked on this machine. grub doesn't seem to. |
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| 14:38.12 | lunitik | blondie: what kinda machine? |
| 14:38.18 | SPOPPO | interest |
| 14:38.20 | unixslut | I'll find out |
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| 14:38.28 | jair | I will fix my irssi |
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| 14:39.00 | blondie | lunitik: an i386 one. |
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| 14:39.12 | blondie | lunitik: all I know is that I get lots of 40s instead of booting :P |
| 14:39.12 | wols | blondie: you have really old hardware |
| 14:39.20 | asg | lucky bastard |
| 14:39.21 | blondie | wols: I do not |
| 14:39.24 | wols | intel 80386 are hard to get nowadays |
| 14:39.40 | blondie | it's not intel |
| 14:39.56 | nokrev | I'm sure it's obvious, but I can't find it in my Googling. Is there a guide to fixing fonts in Debian+Gnome+FF? They look far from correct. :/ |
| 14:40.01 | wols | amd 80386 then? they sold a lot when they made the 40MHz ones |
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| 14:40.12 | blondie | wols: dont be insolent |
| 14:40.36 | wols | don't give wrong information then |
| 14:40.37 | Charminthemoose | can anyone here recommend a good file manager? |
| 14:40.43 | blondie | wols: it's still i386. |
| 14:40.43 | abrotman | xfe ? |
| 14:40.49 | infoclog | abrotman, my case: i created a 5 GB partiiton LinuxExt3 thru partition magic, rebooted the PC with Knoppix CD installer ... installed KNoppix on the linux partiion.. but now it is asking if it wants it on the MBR or rootpoint.? I am afraid..if I give MBR it might overwrite the MBR leading in loss to the XP boot information. |
| 14:41.08 | abrotman | firstly .. ask #knoppix .. secondly .. mbr should be fine |
| 14:41.16 | abrotman | infoclog: or ask us how to install Debian |
| 14:41.18 | blondie | GRRR |
| 14:41.43 | infoclog | well.. :p ..the knoppix says..it is a debian type installation.. |
| 14:41.46 | wols | blondie: displaying such emotions isn't befitting for a Lady in public |
| 14:41.54 | abrotman | infoclog: but it is NOT debian |
| 14:41.57 | abrotman | !d-i infoclog |
| 14:41.58 | dpkg | infoclog, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:42.02 | wols | !tell infoclog about based on debian |
| 14:42.12 | lunitik | infoclog: you have nothing to be afraid of... the default grub file will give an example how to get XP to boot, and will attempt to detect it during installation anyways... |
| 14:42.21 | lunitik | infoclog: just get to installing Debian! >:| |
| 14:42.23 | abrotman | i thought you were going away? :) |
| 14:42.36 | blondie | wols: how dare you call me a lady |
| 14:42.51 | lunitik | abrotman: I am... but I couldn't help reading his long message for some reason :/ |
| 14:42.52 | abrotman | blondie: have you ever thought about .. changing your nick ? |
| 14:42.53 | Charminthemoose | what does d-i mean? |
| 14:43.02 | lunitik | !d-i |
| 14:43.02 | abrotman | lunitik: moth .. meet lightbulb :) |
| 14:43.02 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
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| 14:43.12 | lunitik | abrotman: damnit |
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| 14:43.14 | yopi | hi |
| 14:43.18 | abrotman | lunitik: have a good time |
| 14:43.23 | yopi | I have an unkillable process! |
| 14:43.31 | lunitik | abrotman: shuddup >:| |
| 14:43.38 | yopi | I kill it but it still there eating 99% of the CPU, what can I do? |
| 14:43.54 | lunitik | abrotman: jk... later! |
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| 14:44.21 | blondie | yopi: evidently you didn't kill it... try kill -9? |
| 14:44.35 | yopi | yup |
| 14:44.39 | yopi | $? = 0!! |
| 14:44.47 | wols | ps aux does it show it in state "D"? |
| 14:44.59 | yopi | "R" |
| 14:45.05 | yopi | ready?!? |
| 14:45.11 | asg | runnable |
| 14:45.37 | yopi | it's well annoying the server is gonna burn |
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| 14:46.08 | yopi | wait, it's gone! |
| 14:46.18 | yopi | I had to: yes kill -9 2474 |
| 14:46.22 | yopi | crazy |
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| 14:48.07 | yopi | so hum, is it seamless to upgrade to a 2.6.XX kernel on an unstable dist? |
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| 14:48.29 | yopi | was just so close to burn the server, I might just as well crash it now |
| 14:48.35 | yopi | anyone experienced pb doing this? |
| 14:49.11 | jareth_ | anyone where know where to find vlc in the repos? |
| 14:49.18 | asg | jareth_: apt-cache search vlc |
| 14:49.28 | Charminthemoose | when it comes to upgrading from sarge to etch do i change my sources.list to sarge? |
| 14:49.28 | jareth_ | does not exist |
| 14:49.39 | asg | jareth_: what debian version are you using? |
| 14:49.44 | wols | yopi: lemme get this straight: you apperntly don't have much of a clue but you run sid on a server? |
| 14:49.45 | jareth_ | etch beta 3 |
| 14:49.57 | x_link | Hi everybody ! |
| 14:49.57 | asg | jareth_: /msg dpkg why is vlc not in etch |
| 14:50.26 | yopi | wols : strange things are happening... |
| 14:50.50 | wols | yopi: not really. sunday is near. such things are expected |
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| 14:51.48 | asg | !info vlc etch |
| 14:51.49 | yopi | wols : you think I shouldn't upgrade the kernel yeah? |
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| 14:52.01 | wols | yopi: I think you shouldn't run sid, that's all |
| 14:52.36 | yopi | wols : thank you for your precious help |
| 14:53.17 | blondie | if you have two partitions mirrored in RAID 1 using software raid, can you mount one half of the mirror without RAID stuff? |
| 14:53.18 | pngwn | yopi, he's giving good advice |
| 14:53.57 | yopi | true, it's getting to hazardous indeed |
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| 14:55.46 | dvs | blondie: yes |
| 14:55.46 | jair | I think i did the correct thing here? |
| 14:56.16 | jair | I can see a different theme on my irssi, but the terminal console does not help me |
| 14:56.43 | jair | I can see my name in a different color now, but I see still the background white? |
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| 14:57.08 | jair | I wonder if i will see the same if I connect using putty |
| 14:57.09 | blondie | jair: #irssi (again) |
| 14:57.29 | blondie | dvs: cool |
| 14:57.54 | jair | nice now the comments of people shows in white and I can not even read them because my background is white |
| 14:58.11 | azeem | jair: then switch to a black background |
| 14:58.14 | jair | this suck |
| 14:58.27 | jair | I will change to the default |
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| 14:59.20 | Werdnum | hi guys |
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| 14:59.40 | Werdnum | I have two servers, on opposite sides of the globe. Both will talk to every other server on the internets, except each other. |
| 14:59.44 | jair | now the letters and background are green with this one |
| 14:59.54 | nvz | jair: try the reverse video on your terminal emulator |
| 15:00.03 | nvz | usually like -rv |
| 15:00.05 | jair | nvz: hmm |
| 15:00.16 | wols | nvz: it's konsole |
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| 15:00.42 | Werdnum | The connection error message I get is that it timed out. |
| 15:00.44 | jair | I want to have the background black on my terminal Konsole instead white, and have the letters in green/yellow |
| 15:00.51 | Werdnum | I don't know what the hell is going on with them. |
| 15:01.02 | jair | nvz: i am sorry to heard that my friend :) |
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| 15:01.35 | asg | Werdnum: ##networking |
| 15:01.42 | jair | wols: so the knonsole is the key, but if i change the color in the background I do not see the letters :( |
| 15:01.47 | jair | because they are dark |
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| 15:01.55 | jair | but I guess I will have to play with it |
| 15:02.17 | jair | but with these new theme i can at least see everything |
| 15:02.18 | wols | jair: there are several predefined schemes for konsole. including grey/white text on black bg |
| 15:02.27 | wols | are you incapable of finding the menu? |
| 15:02.30 | jair | green and dark green |
| 15:02.39 | wols | not only |
| 15:02.48 | jair | I am checking now |
| 15:03.00 | jair | "schema"? |
| 15:03.44 | jair | I am checking now |
| 15:04.08 | jair | and by the way i change the autojoin to "Yes" and i type jair#irssi and nothing change :( |
| 15:04.09 | Dunedan | Could somebody tell me in which directory the pre-removal, ... scripts for *.debs resists? |
| 15:04.41 | nvz | Dunedan: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 15:04.43 | wols | jair: read the docs. it's in there. I know this cause I needed to read them to do make it happen |
| 15:04.45 | Dunedan | ah, thx |
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| 15:05.17 | jair | wols: when I type from the putty program, everything looks the way I wanted :) |
| 15:05.36 | jair | wols: because putty use the black background :) |
| 15:05.50 | jair | but it is ok |
| 15:05.53 | wols | that's great but why would I care? |
| 15:05.56 | jair | I will read more |
| 15:06.20 | jair | wols: where is your community heart my friend, I am sharing my happines with you |
| 15:06.30 | jair | thank you anyway for listening to me ;) |
| 15:06.48 | wols | it got killed by too many people abusing me as their personal sysadmin doing their work for them |
| 15:07.38 | jair | wols: I am a sysadmin, believe it or not, but I do not mind to help people in the IRC for free, that is why I enter here |
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| 15:08.19 | wols | several people in here including me helped you already. if you need more help you are anything but a sysadmin |
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| 15:09.06 | wols | well, could be a sneakers admin perhaps |
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| 15:10.19 | asg | wols: do we get to call you 'Mother'? |
| 15:10.49 | wols | not unless my gender change gets through why? |
| 15:11.09 | asg | wols: Sneakers reference (i.e., the film.) |
| 15:11.36 | wols | windows admins are usually sneakers admins cause they need to walk to every PC to fix it |
| 15:11.43 | wols | meaning the walk more than they work :) |
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| 15:12.12 | wols | 'Mother' is an ALien reference as everyone knows btw :) |
| 15:12.12 | asg | wols: not unless you provide them with KVM over IP like I do ;) |
| 15:12.23 | dusty- | Hi is this the mod_auth_mysql package for apache 2 or 1: libapache-mod-auth-mysql? |
| 15:12.31 | asg | dusty-: that's for apache 1.3 |
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| 15:12.39 | wols | dusty-: man apt-cache. especially "show" |
| 15:12.46 | asg | dusty-: you'd need the libapache2-mod-auth-mysql (if it exists) |
| 15:13.14 | wols | asg: see? you need to help to enable them to self help. if you do all the work for them you encourage laziness and them coming constantly back nagging you :) |
| 15:13.46 | jair | wols: I am newbie but I am a Linux, Unix sysadmin, and I said newbie :) |
| 15:14.08 | wols | you can't be so noobish if you really are a *nix sysadmin |
| 15:14.23 | asg | wols: yeah, I'm defective |
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| 15:14.39 | wols | asg: we're irc addicts. aren't we all? |
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| 15:15.14 | yopi | smack my bitchx! |
| 15:15.16 | asg | wols: irc and beer, drink and deb. |
| 15:15.25 | Firestarter | anyone know where I could get a script that will detect a users browser type and display it on a web page? |
| 15:15.29 | Dragon_ | could someone ping dazoe.net and tell me what ip address they get? |
| 15:15.35 | wols | you have many addictions. how can you manage to satisfy them all? |
| 15:16.00 | asg | Firestarter: the 'printenv' cgi script that comes with apache can |
| 15:16.09 | xingu | wols: naltrexone |
| 15:16.18 | asg | wols: preemptive multitasking |
| 15:16.21 | wols | xingu: gesundheit! |
| 15:16.23 | dvs | Dragon_: 209.51.208.146 |
| 15:16.30 | Dragon_ | thanks |
| 15:16.43 | jair | wols: then I may be a newbie in irssi :) |
| 15:16.56 | Firestarter | asg: is it possible to get it somewhere else or do I have to install apache to get it? |
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| 15:17.16 | jair | wols: I want to test something can you send me a message directly to me typing jair? |
| 15:17.37 | asg | Firestarter: you could download the deb and get the file from it without installing it. You could also just google for printenv |
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| 15:17.41 | jair | wols: are you german? |
| 15:17.43 | wols | jair: irssi hilights by default iirc |
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| 15:18.11 | Firestarter | asg: ok thanks |
| 15:18.13 | wols | germany hasn't thrown me out yet. might have to do with the fact that I'm born here |
| 15:18.18 | jair | wols: I got it, it actually add >>wols<< those two arrows, cool stuff |
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| 15:19.26 | odla | is it normal for a laptop when it's hot to lock up, force a hard reboot, and then when it's rebooted be unable to find the hard drive and MBR and when i throw in a livecd it freezes up too. but after a night of cooling it starts up wiht no problem? |
| 15:19.32 | jair | wols: you are deutsch :) I went to Muenchen in December last year, and hope to go again this December ;) |
| 15:19.40 | jair | that is cool |
| 15:20.07 | jair | I have always admire Germans, Austrians fir their hard work and professionalism :) |
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| 15:20.25 | jair | wols: Danke shon |
| 15:20.26 | yopi | odla: leave it to cool a bit, laptops these days are committing suicide by over heating (get a laptop cooler too) |
| 15:20.33 | wols | and I find southamericans who do that creepy. very creepy |
| 15:20.44 | jair | do what? |
| 15:20.49 | Werdnum | hey nalioth |
| 15:20.52 | wols | admire germans |
| 15:20.53 | jair | how do you know I am from south America? |
| 15:20.59 | odla | yopi: laptop cooler? i've never heard of one of those |
| 15:21.01 | nalioth | hi Werdnum |
| 15:21.09 | Werdnum | I have two debian hybrid boxen on opposite sides of the internet, who can talk to anything on the internet, but I get connection timed out when trying to connect from one to the other. |
| 15:21.21 | xingu | odla: at least it didn't explode |
| 15:21.24 | Werdnum | nobody is there / knows in ##networking |
| 15:21.25 | wols | "bolivar" says it all. and I guess your hostmask would show it after a traceroute or lookup via whois |
| 15:21.26 | jair | wols: how do you know i am from south america? |
| 15:21.33 | odla | xingu: it's a dell :D |
| 15:21.37 | odla | xingu: that might be next |
| 15:21.37 | yopi | odla : yup, I think it's ridiculous to have a core 2 duo laptop, even the demo ones in stores are agonising |
| 15:21.52 | wols | I like the surname btw :) |
| 15:21.57 | odla | yopi: mine is a 3 year old dell inspiron 1100 and it just started this yesterday |
| 15:22.21 | jair | cool |
| 15:22.34 | jair | wols: haha cool my friend |
| 15:22.36 | wols | odla: too much dust inside your notebook probably |
| 15:22.42 | jair | I will have to take a brake |
| 15:22.53 | wols | causes overheating |
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| 15:22.56 | pumpkin0 | odla: did you check the HDD-temperature ? |
| 15:22.58 | jair | time to get something to eat and plan in what i will be working today |
| 15:23.07 | yopi | this is so common with laptops, it's so annoying |
| 15:23.13 | xingu | Werdnum: what happens when you traceroute from one to the other? |
| 15:23.16 | robin_sz | I finally managed to get this Dell laptop working with wireless |
| 15:23.20 | jair | for example setting up a PXE server for Linux installations and NFS server |
| 15:23.20 | Werdnum | xingu: timeout. |
| 15:23.30 | robin_sz | I installed a thing called "Windows XP" and away it went |
| 15:23.31 | odla | pumpkin0: no i didn't |
| 15:23.40 | xingu | Werdnum: are they both using rfc1918 addressing? |
| 15:23.42 | lkthomas | question |
| 15:23.42 | lkthomas | hktwc:/# chroot /backup |
| 15:23.42 | lkthomas | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 15:23.44 | nevele | pumpkin0: still having that same issue.. Could you paste me your sources.list file to a paste bin? |
| 15:23.49 | lkthomas | why is it no such file ? |
| 15:23.52 | pumpkin0 | odla: because overheating HDD block almost everything ... |
| 15:23.54 | jair | wols: what part of Germany are you now? |
| 15:23.56 | xingu | odla: "lapinator heat desk" |
| 15:24.01 | Werdnum | xingu: one's behind a NAT, one isn't. |
| 15:24.03 | xingu | odla: have a look into it. |
| 15:24.05 | pumpkin0 | nevele: sure, wait a sec ... |
| 15:24.09 | wols | lkthomas: cause you chrooted? maybe you should check what chroot actually does? |
| 15:24.20 | nevele | pumpkin0: thanks man |
| 15:24.25 | lkthomas | wols: I am not on chrooted |
| 15:24.42 | wols | 17:23 < lkthomas> hktwc:/# chroot /backup |
| 15:24.44 | azeem | lkthomas: chroot tries to run /bin/bash in the chroot to give you a shell |
| 15:24.46 | xingu | Werdnum: does the traceroute travel any hops at all before timing out? or does it timeout before reaching the first hop? |
| 15:24.49 | odla | xingu: but how does that keep it cooler? |
| 15:24.51 | wols | this must be my imagination then I guess. sorry. my bad |
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| 15:25.05 | azeem | lkthomas: if you don't have that inside the chroot, you can tell chroot a different shell as second arguemnt |
| 15:25.07 | Werdnum | xingu: timeout before reaching the first hop. I can, however, ping, from server B, server A's default gateway |
| 15:25.09 | pumpkin0 | odla: it moves more air around. |
| 15:25.16 | lkthomas | azeem: same problem |
| 15:25.25 | lkthomas | hktwc:/# chroot /backup /bin/bash |
| 15:25.25 | lkthomas | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 15:25.26 | xingu | odla: ~modern notebooks usually have an intake vent on the bottom and an extractor fan+heatpipe facing rear or edge |
| 15:25.32 | azeem | lkthomas: well, do you have a /bin directory under /backup? |
| 15:25.34 | pumpkin0 | nevele: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4255 |
| 15:25.38 | nevele | thanks |
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| 15:25.47 | odla | xingu: but that lapinator doesn't have a fan right? |
| 15:25.49 | lkthomas | azeem: of course |
| 15:25.50 | xingu | odla: if not positioned on a hard flat surface the cooling design degrades less than gracefully |
| 15:26.05 | azeem | lkthomas: what does "ls -l /backup/bin/bash" say? |
| 15:26.07 | xingu | odla: correct, it's not about the fan, it's about airflow |
| 15:26.13 | odla | xingu: ok |
| 15:26.20 | odla | xingu: that lapinator is pretty cheap too :D |
| 15:26.22 | lkthomas | hktwc:/# ls -l /backup/bin/bash |
| 15:26.22 | lkthomas | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 729640 2005-05-03 06:39 /backup/bin/bash |
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| 15:26.32 | odla | xingu: a lot cheaper than a new lappy |
| 15:26.33 | yopi | they should pack laptops into fridges directly |
| 15:26.41 | xingu | odla: compare/contrast using it on a desk or kitchen chopping board or whatever verses your current setup |
| 15:26.47 | azeem | lkthomas: maybe try to strace it |
| 15:26.49 | pumpkin0 | odla: using 2 books under the laptop on each side will do the same trick |
| 15:27.02 | odla | pumpkin0: i've just been putting it directly on my laptop :( |
| 15:27.12 | yopi | pumpkin0 : same here |
| 15:27.14 | Werdnum | xingu: there's this curious line in one of the route tables |
| 15:27.15 | Werdnum | localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 15:27.27 | xingu | odla: also, you want cpufreq's conservative regulator |
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| 15:27.31 | pumpkin0 | odla: btw.: correctly configuring the laptop may get you some extra headroom while idle. |
| 15:27.53 | odla | pumpkin0: i can't configure the cpufreq |
| 15:27.56 | azeem | lkthomas: maybe the bash is missing some shared libraries |
| 15:27.58 | xingu | Werdnum: you're 90% of the way there; this is a topological problem |
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| 15:28.02 | pumpkin0 | odla: why not ? P4 ? |
| 15:28.09 | odla | pumpkin0: celeron..i'm not sure how |
| 15:28.26 | pumpkin0 | odla: celeron M or celeron standard ? |
| 15:28.27 | xingu | Werdnum: clean up the routing stack on the end that has global/routable addressing, remove references to rfc1918 space |
| 15:28.33 | odla | pumpkin0: how do i find out? |
| 15:28.44 | pumpkin0 | odla: paste /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:28.48 | Werdnum | xingu: I don't follow. |
| 15:28.50 | odla | ok |
| 15:28.57 | xingu | Werdnum: fyi "netstat -rnv" may be of interest |
| 15:29.34 | Werdnum | bah, I think I've dropped OpenVPNd on one of the servers |
| 15:29.46 | pumpkin0 | nevele: btw: if you are not running testing .... forget these lines. |
| 15:29.47 | Dewi | my unicode fonts in X are a little bit limited; I don't seem to have many variants on spacing which I am seeing used a lot |
| 15:30.08 | xingu | Werdnum: if the A end is using say a 192.168/24 network and the other end also has that network routed somewhere other than its default gateway, et viola there is your problem; two rfc1918 islands, both corectly not forwarding to the other across the internet |
| 15:30.12 | Dewi | does anyone know how to easily increase the coverage of the fonts in X? |
| 15:30.29 | odla | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.ca/226480 |
| 15:30.34 | Dewi | the 0x20** area would be nice |
| 15:30.45 | Werdnum | xingu: two-line routing table for one of the box follows: |
| 15:30.45 | Werdnum | 216.218.196.64 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.192 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 15:30.45 | Werdnum | 0.0.0.0 216.218.196.65 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 15:31.25 | xingu | Werdnum: groovy; so he should be able to reach the remote's global (outside nat) address |
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| 15:31.35 | pumpkin0 | odla: that looks bad. that looks like a really cheap DTR-Laptop. These always have temp-related problems. |
| 15:31.49 | xingu | Werdnum: at that point you need your nat-gateway to work some magic (port translation or default-dmz option) |
| 15:31.52 | Werdnum | xingu: correct |
| 15:31.55 | odla | pumpkin0: it's an older dell inspiron 1100 (3 years old now) |
| 15:32.10 | wols | odla: what CPU exactly? |
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| 15:32.15 | Werdnum | xingu: It's really connections from behind the NAT to that box that I'm after. |
| 15:32.24 | odla | wols: see my pastebin to pumpkin0 |
| 15:32.35 | pumpkin0 | odla: that one: http://compreviews.about.com/cs/laptops/gr/aaprDellIn1100.htm |
| 15:32.59 | xingu | Werdnum: do your other systems have a default gateway set as the nat-ing router? |
| 15:33.02 | wols | odla: I agree with pumpkin0 |
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| 15:33.11 | termx | Hi, where do I find mousedev module in kernel tree? I'm trying to compile it as a module but I can't find it in the kernel conf interface... |
| 15:33.22 | odla | pumpkin0: similar to that one...some of the specs are different |
| 15:33.35 | nevele | pumpkin0: http://rafb.net/paste/results/muZ7Ol94.html |
| 15:33.41 | nevele | any idea? |
| 15:33.51 | xingu | odla: cpufreq-centrino, conservative governor, cpufreqd |
| 15:33.51 | Werdnum | xingu: yes. |
| 15:33.53 | nevele | was on this all night last night.. |
| 15:34.02 | wols | termx: character devices should have it I'd say |
| 15:34.10 | odla | xingu: are those modules i need to load? |
| 15:34.11 | pumpkin0 | odla: clean the wohle thing and exchange the thermal goo between the heatsink and the CPU. |
| 15:34.32 | wols | grep the .config for MOUSEDEV |
| 15:34.36 | nevele | really wish this box was on gentoo or centos, my skills with debian need improving i guess... |
| 15:34.40 | xingu | Werdnum: paste (ask dpkg) netstat -rnv from both systems as well as traceroute from nat'd workstation to globally addressed workstation |
| 15:34.44 | xingu | odla: yes |
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| 15:35.03 | pumpkin0 | nevele: either use etch OR sarge, not both. |
| 15:35.04 | odla | xingu: ah i'll have to recompile my kernel |
| 15:35.12 | xingu | odla: oops speedstep-centrino |
| 15:35.14 | Werdnum | xingu: one moment. Battling with a stopped vpnd -- I'm trying to recover shell access to the NAT'd box. |
| 15:35.29 | xingu | Werdnum: get that sorted first. :) |
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| 15:35.41 | nevele | pumpkin0: thats what i thought, i read in a forum that one needed the other for deps.. |
| 15:35.44 | nevele | k |
| 15:35.44 | termx | wols, should have what? |
| 15:35.46 | odla | FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.18-1-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device |
| 15:35.47 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:36.13 | xingu | weird, a celeron with no speedstep? |
| 15:36.17 | xingu | possible I guess |
| 15:36.18 | pumpkin0 | odla: celerons do not have that version of speedstep. |
| 15:36.22 | wols | termx: mousedev |
| 15:36.31 | wols | nevele: remove non-us. doesn't exist anymore. |
| 15:36.38 | termx | wols, you mean statitc? |
| 15:36.41 | xingu | odla: this is why you don't buy desktop replacement notebooks. :) |
| 15:36.49 | pumpkin0 | xingu: that is a desktop CPU... |
| 15:36.51 | odla | xingu: yeah yeah yeah |
| 15:37.08 | xingu | odla: cpudynd might work for you, that'll use t-state throttling instead |
| 15:37.10 | wols | termx: no I mean grep it |
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| 15:37.37 | odla | xingu: that module wasn't found either |
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| 15:38.01 | _Mooi | How can I use a "virtual " resolution in Xorg? like I in reality only have 1024x768 pixels but I want to have a virtual screen of 2048x1516 pixels and navigate by just moving the pointer? |
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| 15:38.29 | termx | wols, I know where it is /usr/src/linux-2.6.18.1/drivers/input/mousedev.c but I don't know how to mark it as a module and compile it |
| 15:38.33 | odla | by the way...how do i clean my laptop or would that be pretty scary? |
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| 15:38.58 | Werdnum | xingu: okay, back in business |
| 15:38.59 | wols | termx: there you have it. look in your input drivers in mneuconfig |
| 15:39.01 | xingu | odla: how busted is this thing's acpi? do you have proc/acpil/processor/CPU0/throttling? |
| 15:39.35 | pumpkin0 | odla: start by unscrewing the base ... |
| 15:39.52 | xingu | Werdnum: need to look in depth at your network layer config; ifconfig -a from both systems, netstat -rnv from both systems, traceroute from rfc1918/nat'd system to globally addressed system |
| 15:39.57 | xingu | Werdnum: ask dpkg about paste |
| 15:40.04 | odla | pumpkin0: i've read horror stories about people taking their laptops apart though :/ |
| 15:40.15 | odla | xingu: i don't have that file |
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| 15:40.26 | pumpkin0 | odla: well ... one or the other. no /proc/acpi at all ? |
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| 15:40.35 | Werdnum | xingu: already going there. |
| 15:40.35 | odla | wait i lie |
| 15:40.38 | wols | termx: haev you found it? |
| 15:40.39 | xingu | odla: modprobe processor? |
| 15:40.41 | SpeedyG | odla: i've taken this one apart.. nothing special about it |
| 15:40.47 | Mooi | http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowas5.jpg |
| 15:40.51 | Mooi | ups |
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| 15:40.57 | Mooi | How can I use a "virtual " resolution in Xorg? like I in reality only have 1024x768 pixels but I want to have a virtual screen of 2048x1516 pixels and navigate by just moving the pointer? |
| 15:41.30 | xingu | Mooi: root window size and paging is a property of your window manager, not X11 |
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| 15:41.49 | pumpkin0 | Mooi: you add the options according to "man xorg.con" ... |
| 15:41.54 | unixslut | Hi |
| 15:41.54 | wols | xingu: at least older X versions could do what he wants |
| 15:41.55 | termx | wols, I've alread looked into, I can't find it... |
| 15:41.55 | Werdnum | xingu: One's on a VPS and has about six squillion NICs. |
| 15:41.56 | SPOPPO | hi |
| 15:41.58 | wols | it sucked, but it worked |
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| 15:42.11 | Mooi | ok |
| 15:42.18 | odla2 | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/226493 |
| 15:42.24 | wols | termx: in "input devices", first entry after "userland"- what does it say? |
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| 15:42.37 | xingu | odla: give cpudynd a shot |
| 15:42.53 | odla2 | xingu: is that a module? |
| 15:43.03 | xingu | odla: for my piii/750 it had a fairly dramatic effect on heat by setting t-state as needs |
| 15:43.05 | xingu | odla: package |
| 15:43.06 | wols | odla2: sounds like a daemon. search it |
| 15:43.22 | termx | wols, ok, your're right but I see as --- Mouse interface |
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| 15:43.28 | Werdnum | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/226497 |
| 15:43.31 | wols | termx: press help on it |
| 15:43.42 | wols | mousedev IS the mouse interface... |
| 15:43.57 | odla2 | xingu: oh i won't be able to use kpowersave then |
| 15:44.03 | odla2 | xingu: can i use kpowersave for cpufreq? |
| 15:44.09 | odla2 | xingu: it monitors it |
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| 15:44.32 | jetscreamer | my box keeps getting reset to utc time and i didn't do it. is this an ntp or ntpdate bug? |
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| 15:44.48 | jetscreamer | where do you set that btw |
| 15:44.58 | xingu | Werdnum: ok two more, from epstone-deb03 arp -an and ping 172.16.53.253 ? |
| 15:45.05 | azeem | jetscreamer: /etc/default/rcS maybe |
| 15:45.08 | jetscreamer | /etc/default/rcS is set to utc=no |
| 15:45.39 | jetscreamer | so it must be ntp i guess.. only thing ive changed is i installed it |
| 15:45.58 | termx | wols, ok, btw I can't understand how to compile it as a module... |
| 15:46.08 | znr | where is the conf-file for the soundcards? I have dpa and dpa1 ... I want to change to dpa1. ? |
| 15:46.13 | Werdnum | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/226502 |
| 15:46.24 | wols | termx: why not? |
| 15:46.28 | odla2 | ah kpowersave tells me that cpufreq is not supported |
| 15:46.32 | cahoot | znr: dpa? not dsp? |
| 15:46.44 | termx | cause I've got no [] choice but only a --- |
| 15:47.01 | jetscreamer | i woke up and i had like 50 billion 'yelp has quit unexpectedly' error boxes |
| 15:47.06 | wols | termx: what kernel vresion? |
| 15:47.06 | xingu | Werdnum: how interesting; unfortunately the next step to this is to diagnose from the nat router itself; this is where the packets are getting lost |
| 15:47.07 | jetscreamer | cat or bug? :) |
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| 15:47.12 | aronofsky | hi |
| 15:47.28 | Werdnum | xingu: I don't have control of that router. |
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| 15:47.40 | znr | cahoot:: thats it |
| 15:47.50 | znr | cahoot:: dsp |
| 15:47.51 | xingu | Werdnum: as if it is filtering your icmp, or has lost its default gateway, or is confused about where to forward 216.218.196.66 |
| 15:47.59 | Werdnum | hmm |
| 15:48.03 | cahoot | znr: not using alsa? |
| 15:48.07 | xingu | Werdnum: do you get a different result for traceroute -In ... ? |
| 15:48.11 | Werdnum | 64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=242 time=152 ms |
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| 15:48.30 | Werdnum | root@EPSTONE-DEB03:~# traceroute -In vps.epstone.net |
| 15:48.32 | Werdnum | ? |
| 15:48.36 | xingu | exactly |
| 15:48.36 | znr | cahoot:: oss on dsp and alsa on dsp1 |
| 15:48.42 | cahoot | huh |
| 15:48.51 | Werdnum | no different result, xingu |
| 15:48.52 | jetscreamer | is ntp's stuff under /var somewhere? /etc/default no joy |
| 15:49.06 | jetscreamer | with the ntp and ntpdate files there |
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| 15:49.11 | xingu | Werdnum: fault must be on the nat gateway; either packet filtering, or busted routing table |
| 15:49.12 | cahoot | znr: you mean you use alsas oss emu for dsp? |
| 15:49.25 | Werdnum | hmm |
| 15:49.45 | xingu | Werdnum: for what it's worth traceroute from here to vps works just fine |
| 15:49.48 | Werdnum | I can't ping from another (windows) box behind the same NAT |
| 15:49.54 | znr | cahoot:: I think so :-/ im quite a noob in this subject |
| 15:49.56 | Werdnum | yeah, same from my home |
| 15:50.16 | aronofsky | Im on testing and just uprade to xorg 7.1, i wanted to test 3d desktop and I was wondering what were different solutions ? get compiz from unstable ? compile it ? are there other compositing window manager avalaibe ? |
| 15:50.43 | xingu | Werdnum: exactly, it seems as if the nat router is configured to forward some subset of IP; perhaps it is just proxying dns and http for you? |
| 15:50.46 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: first get aiglx to work. compiz is not the problem. |
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| 15:51.09 | Werdnum | xingu: I can get IRC out |
| 15:51.11 | znr | cahoot:: I have a integrated soundcard (wich is used), and a soundblaster Live <-- wich I want to use |
| 15:51.13 | xingu | Werdnum: in any case, take this up with their supplier; give them the last paste you send me to open the case |
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| 15:51.29 | aronofsky | pumpkin0, yeah bout that , is it working with nv driver or should i get constructor drvier ? |
| 15:51.31 | xingu | Werdnum: *nod* it must be packet filtering for icmp then, or, perhaps failing to NAT icmp |
| 15:51.36 | Werdnum | xingu: alright, I'll see what I can do. Thanks for your help/patience. |
| 15:51.39 | xingu | Werdnum: it's a busted packet mangler |
| 15:51.57 | nevele | pumpkin0: i owe you six bars of gold and a harem. thanks. |
| 15:52.04 | Werdnum | harem, hmmm |
| 15:52.09 | Werdnum | I have a harem :-) |
| 15:52.10 | cahoot | znr: you can tell alsa to always treat your cards in a specified order by the index for each card |
| 15:52.16 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: i never worked with nvida, good luck. |
| 15:52.25 | Werdnum | iHarem -- the IRC network where I keep my women |
| 15:52.28 | znr | cahoot:: how? |
| 15:52.36 | wols | aronofsky: will not work with nv |
| 15:53.02 | xingu | jetscreamer: etc/ usually |
| 15:53.04 | aronofsky | wols, really ? why ? |
| 15:53.14 | wols | cause nv doesn't do 3D, only software 3D |
| 15:53.21 | pumpkin0 | nevele: see ? told you ... |
| 15:53.27 | cahoot | znr: optionssnd-emu10k1 index=0 and optionssnd-intel8x0 index=1 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 15:53.33 | xingu | jetscreamer: state is wherever your ntp.conf tells it to go; sometimes /var/lib/ntp |
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| 15:54.04 | znr | cahoot:: ill try that |
| 15:54.26 | cahoot | znr: note - the onboard might use another module |
| 15:54.31 | aronofsky | wols, so the only way is to get official driver on nvidia site ? |
| 15:54.52 | xingu | aronofsky: you'll need the 9xxx beta for compiz |
| 15:54.58 | znr | cahoot:: Zedenar:/home/znr# options snd-emu10k1 index=0 and options snd-intel8x0 index=1 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 15:54.59 | znr | bash: options: command not found |
| 15:55.02 | xingu | aronofsky: and a good chunk of vram from what I read |
| 15:55.14 | jetscreamer | jsut ntp.drift in there... hmm i can't seem to find a setting that seems to be setting the clock to utc.. but iti is, it's 6 hours. and i'm -6. |
| 15:55.15 | nevele | pumpkin0: Yea... Thats all it was, everything is perfect now.. Imagemagick is in, im off to coding.. Thanks. |
| 15:55.17 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: propably yes. the 2 big gfx-comps never told anyone how their stuff works ... |
| 15:55.25 | xingu | jetscreamer: ntp is per definition utc |
| 15:55.45 | xingu | jetscreamer: localtime is a figment of libc's imagination |
| 15:55.51 | cahoot | znr: well - the intention was - you edit the file and add those two lines |
| 15:55.55 | wols | !tell aronofsky about nvidia |
| 15:56.10 | znr | cahoot:: which file? |
| 15:56.20 | jetscreamer | xingu: yeah.. but it never did this before. had ntp and ntp date installed at various times in various installations... i just never had it set up correctly? |
| 15:56.25 | aronofsky | xingu, pumpkin0 , actually i read that 9xxx beta drivers permits to not use aiglx at all ... |
| 15:56.48 | jetscreamer | you can ask in #nvidia |
| 15:56.55 | cahoot | znr: svårt att läsa? |
| 15:57.00 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: are you sure that was not about glx ... aiglx is pretty low spec... |
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| 15:57.57 | znr | cahoot:: ahh... trodde det var en sträng först :-P |
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| 15:58.00 | znr | sorry |
| 15:58.03 | xingu | jetscreamer: you're probably thinking of tzconfig, /etc/timezone, /etc/default/rcS:UTC= |
| 15:58.12 | aronofsky | im kinda lost actually and i cant find any good faq or howto about that kinf of stuff on debian , anyone got a link or somethin ? |
| 15:58.25 | xingu | jetscreamer: but time has one internal represenation, and it's the U in UTC |
| 15:58.44 | jetscreamer | xingu: but that utc= in rcS is set to no |
| 15:58.46 | xingu | jetscreamer: how libc chooses to imagine it while outputting to your console is another kettle of fish |
| 15:59.03 | odla | lag |
| 15:59.05 | odla | :/ |
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| 15:59.47 | jetscreamer | aka uninstall ntp and see |
| 15:59.56 | znr | cahoot:: you said two lines? I only got one |
| 16:00.10 | xingu | jetscreamer: what's the actual problem? |
| 16:00.24 | jetscreamer | my clock keeps getting reset to utc |
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| 16:00.33 | cahoot | znr: optionssnd-emu10k1 index=0 on one line |
| 16:00.43 | jetscreamer | i'm cst it adds 6 hours |
| 16:00.53 | znr | cahoot:: I saw the "and" now |
| 16:00.57 | xingu | jetscreamer: as in your hardware rtc, as in you boot windows and it warps you about? |
| 16:00.58 | znr | *tired* |
| 16:01.17 | jetscreamer | not exactly sure when it happens |
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| 16:01.48 | jetscreamer | just noticed it last night, set the clock, went to sleep, woke up... |
| 16:01.57 | jetscreamer | it was reset |
| 16:01.58 | cahoot | znr: then reload alsa: invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload |
| 16:01.59 | bowman | heya. if I'm the owner of files on a mounted partition and a chown www-data:www-data * -R tells me "operation not permitted", do I need to change mount options or what? |
| 16:02.14 | jetscreamer | brb |
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| 16:02.49 | pumpkin0 | bowman: it the mount ro ? |
| 16:02.50 | xingu | jetscreamer: rtc isn't trusted by ntp; it's inevitably a drifty jittery piece of crap; ntp regulates the system clock, and yes it uses utc as a timebase; libc outputs per tzconfig-configured setting for things like date(1); early init (rcS) uses default/rcS to seed the system clock from the rtc, and, write the system clock *back* to the rtc at reboot |
| 16:03.04 | javaJake | Hey guys. I'm an Ubuntu Edgy user, but the #ubuntu channel is super crowded |
| 16:03.23 | pumpkin0 | !ubuntu |
| 16:03.24 | dpkg | i heard ubuntu is A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ or /join #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 16:03.30 | javaJake | I'm trying to use hal-get-property to find out where a device is located in /sys |
| 16:03.33 | javaJake | For a script |
| 16:03.48 | bowman | pumpkin0: rw |
| 16:03.49 | javaJake | pumpkin0: Go ahead - try and get help at that channel |
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| 16:03.50 | javaJake | Ugh |
| 16:03.55 | javaJake | It's so crowded |
| 16:04.02 | Braindead | this channel doesn't look empty anyway |
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| 16:04.14 | javaJake | Well, it's not as crowded as this |
| 16:04.17 | javaJake | In terms of activity |
| 16:04.18 | znr | cahoot:: thank you... hope I can return the help sometime |
| 16:04.38 | pumpkin0 | javaJake: 720 to 1080 people ... not that much. |
| 16:04.48 | cahoot | znr: works as expected? |
| 16:04.58 | znr | cahoot:: yup :-) |
| 16:05.03 | cahoot | good |
| 16:05.15 | javaJake | Grrr... trust me |
| 16:05.20 | javaJake | It's crowded. :) |
| 16:05.21 | znr | now im off to grab a pizza |
| 16:05.34 | znr | take care u all |
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| 16:05.53 | javaJake | Bye |
| 16:05.58 | xingu | jetscreamer: rtc isn't trusted by ntp; it's inevitably a drifty jittery piece of crap; ntp regulates the system clock, and yes it uses utc as a timebase; libc outputs per tzconfig-configured setting for things like date(1); early init (rcS) uses default/rcS to seed the system clock from the rtc, and, write the system clock *back* to the rtc at reboot |
| 16:05.59 | Braindead | javaJake: should we care? are you here to cut up a queue? well wrong queue anyway,go back to #ubuntu |
| 16:06.09 | javaJake | *Sigh* |
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| 16:06.35 | Konversationuser | Hello |
| 16:06.53 | jetscreamer | xingu: but while ntp uses utc, it shouldn't set my system clock to utc should it? |
| 16:07.03 | Konversationuser | I'm trying to install a HP PSC 750 USB printer, as well as a logitech webcam (I don't know the model) |
| 16:07.09 | xingu | jetscreamer: yes, it will; system clock (not hw rtc) is utc. |
| 16:07.11 | jetscreamer | btw it's gone and my clock hasn't changed yet |
| 16:07.17 | xingu | jetscreamer: but it is regardless of ntp... |
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| 16:07.19 | Konversationuser | I went through kcontrol's printer wizard, but it doesn't work. |
| 16:07.36 | wols | jetscreamer: what is your BIOS clock set at? UTC? |
| 16:07.40 | jetscreamer | no |
| 16:07.42 | jetscreamer | cst |
| 16:08.02 | jetscreamer | the bios clock was getting changed. |
| 16:08.09 | xingu | jetscreamer: just change UTC=no, reboot, set your bios time one last time, be happy. |
| 16:08.17 | jetscreamer | (maybe i shouldn't be saying system clock) |
| 16:08.28 | jetscreamer | xingu, utc was =no and still is |
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| 16:08.35 | xingu | jetscreamer: oh, except at the start and end of DST when most BIOS's fuck it up right proper. |
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| 16:09.15 | Konversationuser | Hello? :) |
| 16:09.15 | jetscreamer | oh george signed a bill changing the date of dst next year btw |
| 16:09.34 | jetscreamer | for some DoE test |
| 16:09.47 | peterrus | hmm |
| 16:09.51 | karlp_ | no clock problems ever |
| 16:10.35 | peterrus | a weird quistion, but can someone point me to a good irc channel about dvdauthoring in linux? because i cant seem to get dvdstyler make me a dvd with multiple audio tracks and selectable subtitles |
| 16:10.48 | karlp_ | also, netinst testing nightly, choosing no network mirror, and deselecting everything at the tasksel stage still gives me a 379meg installed size. |
| 16:11.23 | jetscreamer | peterrus: did you try dvdstyler? it and qdvdauthor create xml files for parsing by dvdauthor, you could see how they do it |
| 16:11.35 | pumpkin0 | karlp_: if you want a minimal setup: debootstrap |
| 16:11.36 | jetscreamer | qdvdauthor is a tad buggy though, but usable |
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| 16:11.50 | xingu | jetscreamer: that, sounds like a problem which is not related to cst, it sounds like a clock drift issue to be honest; unless you have something else funky going on, like running rdate or using clock --set in cron |
| 16:11.58 | jetscreamer | there's a few howto's |
| 16:12.23 | jetscreamer | the ntp.drift file said someting like 13.6 inside it iirc |
| 16:12.53 | xingu | jetscreamer: what may be happening is you may have an ntp peer upstream which is offering localtime as utc |
| 16:12.59 | peterrus | jetscreamer, yeah, but i can figure out how to use an external audio track. i have a soundless avi, 2 audiotracks (one english and one japanese) and one subtitle file, and i want to be able to select whether or not i want to see subtitles and which audiotrack to play |
| 16:13.20 | xingu | jetscreamer: if you're using pool.ntp.org I wouldn't be surprised if the odd pool member was that incompetant |
| 16:13.46 | jetscreamer | xingu: yes it was just a default setup and it was pool.debian.org or so |
| 16:13.47 | pumpkin0 | jetscreamer: clock jumping around by _hours_: problem with windows and linux having different views about the hwclock. clock drifting by minutes per hour: hwclock not OK, ntp should take care. |
| 16:13.48 | xingu | someone remind me to shoot the ntpd maintainer for pre-shipping pool.*.ntp.org preconfigured |
| 16:14.27 | jetscreamer | so if i just set it to time.nist.gov like i usually do i should be ok maybe |
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| 16:14.48 | xingu | jetscreamer: from what's said so far I'd give that a whirl; then, next-steps, check ntp drift |
| 16:15.03 | Konversationuser | Could anyone please help me out? |
| 16:15.06 | xingu | jetscreamer: use drift vs nist.gov as a canary for system-clock-drift fault |
| 16:15.08 | Konversationuser | (Man, I hate being ignored :P) |
| 16:15.14 | omry | I got a problem getting my xorg to work after the upgrade to 7.1. I got ati 9200, and I upgraded the drives according to the instructions dpkg gives on 'ati'. current output is here: http://firefang.net/omry/xorg.txt |
| 16:15.19 | xingu | jetscreamer: do you know how to check ntp drift? |
| 16:15.34 | jetscreamer | xingu: no i just saw the file ntp.drift |
| 16:15.39 | pumpkin0 | Konversationuser: installing printers is not a debian-problem. checkout the howtos on linux printing ... |
| 16:15.54 | Konversationuser | Errors might be... |
| 16:15.55 | klikklak | hi, I'm planning on upgrading to unstable. Would you guys recommend it? I'm pretty advanced, having used linux daily since 2000 (and tested it first in 93 :) .. I'm hoping I'd be more able to contribute to debian and get aiglx to work on the side :) |
| 16:16.01 | klikklak | been using testing before |
| 16:16.19 | jetscreamer | Konversationuser: i found with my hp oj , using mc:par:somethingsomething worked in cups, and lp0 and such did not |
| 16:16.28 | xingu | jetscreamer: ntpq, then lassociations, then pstatus <peerid> |
| 16:16.43 | pumpkin0 | omry: remove the BusID from the xorg.conf file. |
| 16:16.54 | xingu | jetscreamer: check the filtoffset value, should be +/- 1.00 in a normally normal universe |
| 16:17.15 | Konversationuser | jetscreamer: Ok? |
| 16:17.42 | jetscreamer | Konversationuser: that's about all i know, that and do you hve th hplij and/or the hpoj packages |
| 16:17.50 | omry | pumpkin0, I don't seem to have BusID there |
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| 16:18.02 | pumpkin0 | omry: the log says you have. |
| 16:18.31 | omry | # grep -i busid xorg.conf |
| 16:18.31 | omry | firefang:/etc/X11# |
| 16:18.32 | jetscreamer | klikklak: if you have to ask you probably shouldn't |
| 16:18.35 | jetscreamer | try etch |
| 16:18.38 | Konversationuser | jetscreamer: Ok' |
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| 16:18.55 | dracflamloc | hey there |
| 16:19.02 | pumpkin0 | omry: rhmm... check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log. More info there ? |
| 16:19.15 | dracflamloc | i was wondiering, if i install the latest etch version, when the full comes out is it easy to upgrade? |
| 16:19.38 | pumpkin0 | dracflamloc: probably yes. |
| 16:19.55 | omry | pumpkin0, actually, the last error seem to be font related, maybe the display stuff is just a red herring : could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 16:20.22 | cahoot | klikklak: you'll never get an open recommendation to go unstable here |
| 16:20.52 | omry | pumpkin0, http://firefang.net/omry/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:20.59 | pumpkin0 | omry: please upload the config as well. |
| 16:21.25 | jetscreamer | xingu: filtoffset= 0.00 on all 4 peers listed |
| 16:21.30 | omry | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.46 | xingu | jetscreamer: that sounds like it's not synchronised (from lass - condition column) |
| 16:22.04 | jetscreamer | xingu: but i just reinstalled ntp so sounds right |
| 16:22.08 | dracflamloc | nany idea when etch stable will be out? |
| 16:22.31 | azeem | dracflamloc: december |
| 16:22.37 | Konversationuser | omry: FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" <--- Try adding that, replacing the old one |
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| 16:22.55 | Konversationuser | omry: the /usr/lib one |
| 16:23.03 | dogmeat | is there a way to backup my win xp hd image using debian? |
| 16:23.04 | pumpkin0 | omry: nope, the problem IS the font. You don´t have any valid fonts installed... |
| 16:23.04 | blondie | hmmmm |
| 16:23.13 | pumpkin0 | dogmeat: yes. "man dd" |
| 16:23.27 | jetscreamer | dogmeat: zip works, believe it or not |
| 16:23.32 | jetscreamer | least for me it does |
| 16:23.33 | blondie | pumpkin0: that's not an apostrophe! |
| 16:23.33 | Konversationuser | omry: Try FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" instead of FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" |
| 16:23.41 | klikklak | cahoot: why is that? people don't want more folks to come here begging to for assistance because unstable is breaking down on them? |
| 16:23.44 | jetscreamer | brb |
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| 16:23.50 | dogmeat | i know of dd, but how would that grab the win xp image if i run it from linux ? |
| 16:23.53 | pumpkin0 | blondie: ? |
| 16:24.02 | blondie | your apostrophe was fake. |
| 16:24.03 | dogmeat | e.g. the linux machine is on another host |
| 16:24.05 | cahoot | klikklak: right |
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| 16:24.22 | klikklak | cahoot: I got the impression that unstable would be fairly popular, but I suppose that was false? |
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| 16:24.41 | cahoot | klikklak: the official standpoint is: you should be able to fix it yourself when broken |
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| 16:24.47 | abrotman | HI |
| 16:24.47 | dogmeat | if i can smbmount possibly? |
| 16:24.53 | pumpkin0 | klikklak: unstable is ... well ... unstable and unuseable for the normal user. |
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| 16:25.08 | abrotman | unuseable is a bit strong .. but really not recommended |
| 16:25.19 | cahoot | klikklak: I believe your impression is quite correct |
| 16:25.25 | klikklak | pumpkin0: but if I want to help with bugs? .. |
| 16:25.38 | pumpkin0 | dogmeat: yes, but that will not create a complet, bootable image |
| 16:25.44 | abrotman | there are bugs in testing too |
| 16:26.02 | klikklak | cahoot: that its' fairly popular? good, that's all I need :) |
| 16:26.24 | pumpkin0 | klikklak: if you want to help fix testing first. And you have to know a LOT about debian before you can start to fix bugs. |
| 16:26.41 | omry | pumpkin0, that helped. it starts now. |
| 16:26.42 | omry | thanks. |
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| 16:27.08 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 16:27.09 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 16:27.16 | klikklak | pumpkin0: that's been my impression. I mean, by normal usage it's very rare to meet bugs that you/I can identify. I was hoping unstable would be more 'hands-on' |
| 16:27.17 | pumpkin0 | omry: you will still have problems with fonts. Fix them to get a nice looking desktop. |
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| 16:27.36 | abrotman | klikklak: how about you fix a bug i've found? |
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| 16:27.59 | abrotman | or at least verify it |
| 16:28.03 | omry | pumpkin0, this is not a desktop, its my server and multimedia machine, I watch movies there on freevo so I don't care about the fonts. |
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| 16:28.12 | pumpkin0 | omry: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages#head-a570197d15005a2c71cbb5e565114e2c04a573a3 |
| 16:28.26 | klikklak | abrotman: ? .. I suppose I could. It's in testing, right? |
| 16:28.41 | abrotman | yes .. though i'm still not sure it's a bug .. |
| 16:28.52 | cahoot | klikklak: hope it is in testing otherwise you're lure into sid |
| 16:29.24 | abrotman | realistically ... we're at the point that people should be finding/fixing bugs in etch/testing |
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| 16:29.58 | abrotman | gravity: you closed a bug i had filed .. how do i know which version fixes it ? |
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| 16:30.15 | azeem | abrotman: see the changelog |
| 16:30.17 | jetscreamer | is the drxx bug fixed yet? not rushing you, i don't use it.. you made a man out of me! |
| 16:30.17 | gravity | abrotman: What bug? |
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| 16:30.31 | gravity | jetscreamer: Yes |
| 16:30.33 | abrotman | 272294 .. the i810 bug |
| 16:30.37 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 16:30.43 | jetscreamer | !wtg gravity |
| 16:30.44 | dpkg | Way to go, gravity! Gnarly! |
| 16:31.04 | blondie | bang bang |
| 16:31.14 | jetscreamer | rammenstein? |
| 16:31.25 | abrotman | it might even be in the changelog |
| 16:31.27 | klikklak | abrotman: so could you give me the bugreport number or something? |
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| 16:31.40 | abrotman | klikklak: i haven't filed one because i haven't verified it's a bug :) |
| 16:31.43 | VIm_Enforcer | jetscreamer, blondie is a character from the good the bad and the ugly |
| 16:31.44 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 16:31.54 | yopi | anyone has experience installing trac? |
| 16:32.09 | jetscreamer | VIm_Enforcer: yes but he said the blondie wasn't clint eastwood |
| 16:32.10 | wols | yopi: ask your real question |
| 16:32.13 | ttl- | greetings everyone |
| 16:32.18 | abrotman | erm .. might not be in it :) |
| 16:32.21 | klikklak | abrotman: ... but you people did talk me from going to sid, I'll just wait like everybody else for emacs-22 and aiglx |
| 16:32.22 | gravity | abrotman: I can't find the close log in that bug |
| 16:32.23 | jetscreamer | i asked like yesterday |
| 16:32.35 | blondie | the blondie is my hair |
| 16:32.38 | abrotman | gravity: it was merged with 369148 |
| 16:32.42 | ttl- | on etch the package qiv does not contain any files |
| 16:32.54 | VIm_Enforcer | blondie, LOL |
| 16:33.01 | VIm_Enforcer | IN THAT CASE YOU SUCK |
| 16:33.04 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 16:33.05 | abrotman | azeem: yeah .. the changelog just says "new upstream" |
| 16:33.06 | jetscreamer | i asked about the chick band also |
| 16:33.11 | blondie | VIm_Enforcer: only if you ask nicely. |
| 16:33.23 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, in that case check the changelog |
| 16:33.27 | VIm_Enforcer | :OOOO |
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| 16:33.32 | VIm_Enforcer | o.m.f.g. |
| 16:33.38 | jetscreamer | how do i tellntp to do it's thing no, and not wait for cron to execute ? |
| 16:33.41 | gravity | Crap, did I do that? Fuck. |
| 16:33.42 | VIm_Enforcer | and i thought you were a western fan |
| 16:33.43 | jetscreamer | err |
| 16:33.46 | abrotman | gravity: it's not much help .. just says "New Upstream" :) |
| 16:33.49 | blondie | it is a good film though |
| 16:33.51 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, I fucked up then. |
| 16:33.52 | jetscreamer | how do i tell ntp to do it's thing now, and not wait for cron to execute ? |
| 16:33.54 | VIm_Enforcer | but you are a FAGGOT!!! |
| 16:33.56 | VIm_Enforcer | :O |
| 16:34.03 | jetscreamer | a bundle of wood? |
| 16:34.10 | pumpkin0 | ttl-: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=qiv&version=testing&arch=i386 ? |
| 16:34.15 | cahoot | jetscreamer: not running as daemon? |
| 16:34.19 | blondie | don't speak to me like that |
| 16:34.20 | abrotman | gravity: well .. there are a good number of changes since the version now in etch |
| 16:34.31 | jetscreamer | cahoot: yes as daemon |
| 16:34.51 | abrotman | gravity: erm .. change numbers .. new version numbers ... |
| 16:34.57 | cahoot | jetscreamer: then it should 'do it's thing' unless it's halted |
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| 16:35.00 | Konversationuser | Can anyone help me install a Logitech webcam? |
| 16:35.04 | gravity | abrotman: Right. i810 is very active. |
| 16:35.06 | tnks | Anyone here familiar with python-support? |
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| 16:35.10 | jetscreamer | cahoot: oh it does it allthe time? |
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| 16:35.18 | jetscreamer | or quite frequently? |
| 16:35.19 | gravity | There's an upstream changelog |
| 16:35.20 | abrotman | gravity: yeah .. i'll just assume it's fixed in 1.7.x |
| 16:35.21 | pumpkin0 | Konversationuser: which one ? |
| 16:35.32 | Konversationuser | pumpkin0: No idea which model |
| 16:35.32 | cahoot | jetscreamer: it should - but check if it's actually running |
| 16:35.36 | gravity | Which... we don't ship :-\ |
| 16:35.43 | abrotman | we don't ? |
| 16:35.53 | abrotman | you mean .. won't go into etch ? |
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| 16:35.56 | cahoot | jetscreamer: if it encounters a too great discrepancy it will die |
| 16:35.58 | pumpkin0 | Konversationuser: unplug, plug about in and run dmes. Anything useful ? |
| 16:36.12 | Konversationuser | pumpkin0: All it says is Logitech Inc. |
| 16:36.13 | gravity | The upstream changelog? I doubt it |
| 16:36.17 | tnks | I'm eager to use some python2.5 libraries, but python-feedparser is managed through python-support. Is it possible to make python-support 2.5-aware? |
| 16:36.20 | pumpkin0 | Konversationuser: lsusb ? |
| 16:36.25 | Konversationuser | Tried it |
| 16:36.26 | gravity | I'm pretty well settled with X for etch at this stage. |
| 16:36.27 | abrotman | gravity: no .. i mean .. that version won't make it into etch ? 1.7.x ? |
| 16:36.31 | gravity | Maybe the new mga driver, but that's about it |
| 16:36.38 | Konversationuser | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:092f Logitech, Inc. |
| 16:36.40 | gravity | abrotman: It's already in etch |
| 16:36.43 | abrotman | oh sure .. it's only been three or four years :) |
| 16:36.45 | abrotman | gravity: the fix? |
| 16:36.48 | pumpkin0 | Konversationuser: wait a sec... |
| 16:36.50 | eide_ | why is there a bittorrent tracker in /etc/rc2.d/ on my newly installed etch? |
| 16:36.55 | gravity | abrotman: Yes. The latest i810 is in etch. |
| 16:36.59 | gravity | The latest everything is in etch |
| 16:37.11 | Konversationuser | eide_: Just rcconf it away. |
| 16:37.14 | ttl- | pumpkin0: after "aptitude upgrade" "aptitude reinstall qiv" dpkg -L qiv says: Package `qiv' does not contain any files (!) |
| 16:37.16 | tnks | maybe it's not worth worrying about... feedparser is just one file. |
| 16:37.21 | abrotman | gravity: i stopped using the offending item .. because it made it lock hard .. so i wasn't sure if it was safe to test again because the bug #s don't show a version that it was fixe din |
| 16:37.23 | abrotman | fixed in |
| 16:37.25 | cahoot | jetscreamer: if ntp croaked - run ntpdate first, then start ntp |
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| 16:38.24 | pumpkin0 | Konversationuser: that is a quickcam express. You will need the module spca5xx |
| 16:38.27 | gravity | abrotman: Ok |
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| 16:39.01 | eusto | what do i need to install to be able to use man for c syntax (like man printf and stuff)? |
| 16:39.02 | abrotman | gravity: how can it be fixed in etch .. you didn't close the bug until October . the version in etch looks like it was uploaded in like march |
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| 16:39.33 | azeem | abrotman: etch recently got 7.1 |
| 16:39.36 | azeem | I think |
| 16:39.46 | abrotman | is packages.debian.org out of date again ? |
| 16:39.55 | jetscreamer | eusto: manpages-dev iirc |
| 16:39.56 | eide_ | Konversationuser, I don't want to remove it, I just want to know why it is there by default. Seems like a very weird thing to install by default? |
| 16:40.04 | Konversationuser | pumpkin0: Thanks |
| 16:40.05 | azeem | [2006-10-25] xserver-xorg-video-i810 2:1.7.2-1 MIGRATED to testing (Britney) |
| 16:40.06 | gravity | packages.qa.debian.org says it's at version 2:1.7.2-1 which is the latest |
| 16:40.11 | eusto | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 16:40.12 | eide_ | Konversationuser, or, well I do want to remove it.. |
| 16:40.18 | azeem | abrotman: it's always out of date by 1-2 days |
| 16:40.18 | Konversationuser | eide_: Well, they include mailservers and apache too., |
| 16:40.19 | abrotman | grrr .. stupid packages.debian.org |
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| 16:40.31 | azeem | use packages.qa.debian.org for timing information |
| 16:40.36 | Konversationuser | Might as well include the protocol that pushes the most traffic on the net ;) |
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| 16:41.25 | pumpkin0 | gravity: does that mean compiz and aiglx are in etch now ? |
| 16:41.30 | eide_ | Konversationuser, do you know which package it is? I have googled to no avail |
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| 16:41.33 | abrotman | azeem: gotcha |
| 16:41.34 | gravity | pumpkin0: aiglx is |
| 16:41.40 | abrotman | gravity: sorry for the confusion |
| 16:42.04 | gravity | pumpkin0: If you're running the 7.1 server, you can check for yourself in your xorg logfile |
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| 16:42.15 | wols | eide_: you must have installed it imho |
| 16:42.21 | gravity | compiz appears to ftbfs on arm, so it's not in etch yet |
| 16:42.37 | pumpkin0 | gravity: i know i´m on 7.0. But i have a itch to test compiz ... |
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| 16:42.56 | eide_ | wols: I used the new etch installer and installed "base system" "desktop environment" and "laptop" |
| 16:42.59 | jetscreamer | pumpkin0: afaict you're not missing much atm with those packages |
| 16:43.18 | klikklak | gravity: really? .. damn. |
| 16:43.23 | gravity | I don't know if I'd say that. The performance benefits from running accelerated compositing is nice |
| 16:43.25 | Konversationuser | pumpkin0: Do you know how I can get it working in Kopete? |
| 16:43.30 | Konversationuser | I just modprobed it |
| 16:43.33 | gravity | No window tearing |
| 16:43.40 | pumpkin0 | jetscreamer: i need this laptop to work 100%. I will not install anything from unstable. |
| 16:43.46 | jetscreamer | all i know is i can't get it to work correctly |
| 16:43.48 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 16:43.51 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 16:43.54 | pumpkin0 | Konversationuser: does dmesg say the cam is loaded now ? |
| 16:43.58 | gravity | Spiffy effects aside, compositing is itself pretty awesome. It's the solution to a lot of the X performance problems that people have been crying about for years. |
| 16:44.07 | Konversationuser | Linux video capture interface: v1.00 |
| 16:44.07 | Konversationuser | usbcore: registered new driver spca5xx |
| 16:44.07 | Konversationuser | /build/buildd/linux-modules-extra-2.6-2.6.17/debian/build/build_i386_none_486_spca5xx/drivers/usb/spca5xx.c: spca5xx driver 2.6.17 registered |
| 16:44.13 | minerale | I downloaded this one tux-penguin typing game, I started it up but it crashed, my screen is now stuck in a 400-600 pixel resolution, how can I reset it ? |
| 16:44.24 | jetscreamer | !tell Konversationuser -about paste |
| 16:44.24 | ttl- | pumpkin0: aptitude purge qiv && aptitude install qiv |
| 16:44.30 | pumpkin0 | minerale: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 16:44.39 | Konversationuser | jetscreamer: It was just four lines, didn't think it mattered |
| 16:44.44 | jetscreamer | minerale: maybe ctrl alt kp+/- |
| 16:44.46 | ttl- | pumpkin0: Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. |
| 16:44.47 | ttl- | Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] |
| 16:44.56 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
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| 16:45.36 | minerale | pumpkin0: the game resized x without restaring it... |
| 16:45.37 | pumpkin0 | ttl-: apt-get install qiv => After unpacking 184kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 16:45.45 | zinx | gravity: yeah, like "why can't X use 100% cpu when i move the mouse like Windows does?" |
| 16:46.06 | pumpkin0 | minerale: do you have a console running ? Can you try xrandr |
| 16:46.10 | ttl- | pumpkin0: strange there has to be something wrong with the mirror... |
| 16:46.19 | eide_ | wols, oh yeah. It seems like it is part of gnome's btdownload, but that doesn't explain why I need a bittorrent tracker to start with my system |
| 16:46.22 | pumpkin0 | ttl-: apt-get update ... |
| 16:46.31 | Mooi | what does GLXbadcontextstate error mean? |
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| 16:47.05 | ttl- | pumpkin0: i did that |
| 16:47.16 | minerale | pumpkin0: ah, I fixed it (xrandr -s 0) |
| 16:47.17 | tuv | so is xgl or aiglx available in etch? or both? and how to enable them? |
| 16:47.24 | eide_ | and by extension, a bittorrent tracker is part of the default desktop install. Which is stupid |
| 16:47.39 | zinx | eide_: uhm |
| 16:47.44 | zinx | eide_: it sounds like you're using ubuntu |
| 16:47.47 | jetscreamer | am i the only one that it takes a very long time(relatively long) to do an ls on large directories like /usr/bin ? there's too many files in there... imo. |
| 16:47.54 | eide_ | zinx, haha |
| 16:48.06 | wishlog | Why when I open matlab using x11 by connecting with telnet, the graphic can't display properly? |
| 16:48.08 | jetscreamer | waiting 30 seconds or so for an ls sucks |
| 16:48.17 | abrotman | jetscreamer: delete some pr0n ? |
| 16:48.31 | jetscreamer | i don't keep my pron in /usr/bin, i have an hd for that |
| 16:48.33 | wishlog | ssh to open x11 actually not telnet |
| 16:48.36 | zinx | eide_: you can remove it from the runlevels, i suppose |
| 16:48.41 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 16:48.57 | zinx | eide_: or check /etc/defaults/ |
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| 16:49.19 | xingu | jetscreamer: 0.02user 0.01system 0:00.09elapsed 38PU , 1506 files |
| 16:49.27 | pumpkin0 | tuv: xorg & aiglx seem to be in etch now. |
| 16:49.50 | tuv | pumpkin0, any docs on how to enable it? |
| 16:50.12 | pumpkin0 | tuv: apt-get update; apt-get install xorg. But no compiz yet. |
| 16:50.23 | xingu | jetscreamer: sounds like you have a serious issue there; 30s for usr/bin, even uncached, is a hell of an IO storm |
| 16:50.26 | dracflamloc | what does aiglx do |
| 16:50.33 | Element14 | jetscreamer: the speed probably has something to do with your fs |
| 16:50.34 | wishlog | Hi I want to seek for help about using terminal to open matlab |
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| 16:50.50 | wols | jetscreamer: is your harddisk using busmaster dma? |
| 16:50.54 | abrotman | !aiglx |
| 16:50.54 | dpkg | i guess aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 16:51.12 | tuv | pumpkin0, i heard metacity is going to be able to do. won't that be enough or is compiz still necessary? |
| 16:51.13 | jetscreamer | ok it's not ls, but the file manager i'm using... nm :/ |
| 16:51.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:51.23 | wols | what fm is this? |
| 16:51.26 | jetscreamer | seems to be an x thing |
| 16:51.28 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 16:51.33 | jetscreamer | ls is quick |
| 16:51.45 | gravity | tuv: metacity has a compositing manager, but it's been pretty well abandoned by the people who were working on it. We're not sure if others will pick it up or if gnome will move to compiz or a compiz derivative instead. |
| 16:52.12 | jetscreamer | now the fm is quick... :( |
| 16:52.17 | jetscreamer | it's xfe |
| 16:52.38 | abrotman | cached |
| 16:52.54 | jetscreamer | yeah mebbe |
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| 16:53.04 | tuv | so all i need now to enable aiglx is to install compiz? any other manual work? |
| 16:53.43 | xingu | jetscreamer: it's not totally unknown for eye candy to cause gnome terminal to take large amounts of time to scroll text, either |
| 16:54.05 | jetscreamer | gah it's fixed! or so it seems |
| 16:54.13 | jetscreamer | !gravity++ |
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| 16:54.38 | jetscreamer | sudo /usr/sbin/ntpdate time.nist.gov 28 Oct 11:50:19 ntpdate[3599]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 16:54.52 | jetscreamer | is it just me? |
| 16:55.06 | gravity | jetscreamer: Yeah, when you poked me about it the other night, I went after it and killed it. It took two nights, but I figured it out. |
| 16:55.08 | wols | jetscreamer: pool.ntp.org |
| 16:55.39 | xingu | wols: that pool could use a lifeguard |
| 16:55.59 | jetscreamer | same |
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| 16:56.09 | wols | DDOSing nist isn't the way to go either |
| 16:56.13 | jetscreamer | is it because ntp is installed, but the daemon is not running? |
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| 16:57.07 | jetscreamer | no |
| 16:57.11 | jetscreamer | it's not |
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| 16:57.23 | jetscreamer | the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
| 16:57.32 | dstar | How do I change the dictionary file emacs tells ispell to use? M-x ispell-change-dictonary RET british RET has it looking for /usr/lib/ispell/en_GB.hash, but the file on my system is british.hash. I installed the ibritish package; was that the wrong one? |
| 16:57.59 | abrotman | wait wait ... |
| 16:58.10 | abrotman | emacs doesn't have its own builtin dictionary ? |
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| 16:58.17 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 16:58.32 | wols | abrotman: will come in the next version, don't worry |
| 16:58.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:58.45 | wols | if you're really desperate you can install this elisp script here |
| 16:59.10 | wols | it's only 25MB (the dictionary data is inside. took only 8MB for the dictionary, the rest is the needed brackets for it |
| 16:59.21 | Anarka | ahaha |
| 16:59.22 | jetscreamer | yay all problems resolved |
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| 16:59.33 | g00se | Is dpkg(-reconfigure) usually flaky over ssh (client is cygwin)? |
| 16:59.46 | abrotman | flaky ? |
| 17:00.06 | g00se | Don't get any curses stuff- nothing starts up |
| 17:00.18 | wols | g00se: not really. but why do you use cygwin ssh? heard of putty? |
| 17:00.28 | dstar | I guess I could just make a symlink, but I'd prefer to actually solve the problem... |
| 17:00.31 | jetscreamer | putty is cool |
| 17:00.33 | wols | doesn't set the TERM properly I guess |
| 17:00.48 | g00se | wols:had problems with putty too |
| 17:01.11 | abrotman | jetscreamer: send one of the kids ? |
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| 17:01.26 | wols | his unborn ones? |
| 17:01.32 | g00se | wols: but can't remember what they were - shall try again now |
| 17:01.40 | jetscreamer | to buy cigs? they couldn't... besides, they're not here.... they leave whenever possible |
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| 17:01.47 | jetscreamer | could it be ... moi? |
| 17:01.50 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 17:02.12 | abrotman | no .. jetscreamer has kids |
| 17:02.26 | jetscreamer | 2 |
| 17:02.52 | Hoxzer | I use putty on phone |
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| 17:03.02 | jetscreamer | i know i seem young, like a 17 year old.. but i'm ancient |
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| 17:04.19 | g00se | su -c "dpkg-reconfigure exim4" (over Putty) - absolutely nothing happens |
| 17:04.29 | jetscreamer | it won' |
| 17:04.30 | jetscreamer | t |
| 17:04.34 | jetscreamer | even if it was local |
| 17:04.56 | jetscreamer | i think it's exim4-config |
| 17:04.59 | jetscreamer | but i forget |
| 17:05.06 | g00se | Ah |
| 17:05.49 | g00se | Brilliant jetscreamer |
| 17:06.41 | abrotman | !drec |
| 17:06.47 | abrotman | oh well |
| 17:06.54 | jetscreamer | !drek |
| 17:06.55 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:07.14 | jetscreamer | you don't read enough my son... death&drek |
| 17:07.35 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:07.39 | jetscreamer | lord of the rings |
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| 17:08.16 | cusco | dudes |
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| 17:08.23 | jetscreamer | when they thought eowyn was dead |
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| 17:08.47 | cusco | abrotman: I rolled back apache2.2 to apache 2.0 but the libapache2-mod-php wants apache2.2 (as a dependencie) |
| 17:08.53 | cusco | :| |
| 17:09.01 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 17:09.42 | cusco | you just told me about snapshot.debian.net to roll back to the previous apache (2.0) on testing |
| 17:10.06 | cusco | but I can't put php to work... |
| 17:10.43 | abrotman | so the libapache2-mod-php5 wants apache2.2 ? |
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| 17:11.08 | cusco | yes |
| 17:11.17 | cusco | so does the libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 17:11.57 | abrotman | darn it .. it worked for the last guy |
| 17:12.06 | abrotman | cusco: apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 17:12.09 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:12.10 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 17:15.51 | Pinoycchio | hey ever1 |
| 17:15.57 | Pinoycchio | howcome my server only shows 1gb ram altho i have 2gb? using kernel 2.6.15-gentoo-r1xpro, debian testing/unstable |
| 17:16.24 | cusco | abrotman: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nnDEYh79.html |
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| 17:16.34 | wols | you can't have a gentoo kernel on debian |
| 17:16.38 | wols | use a debian kernel |
| 17:16.40 | abrotman | Pinoycchio: uname -a |
| 17:16.46 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 17:17.02 | xittum | wols: seems like he can ;) |
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| 17:17.09 | Pinoycchio | hmm was wondering bout it too |
| 17:17.23 | wols | broken kernels are easy. working ones aren't as you can see xittum |
| 17:17.24 | Pinoycchio | but this is the minimal installation provided by my provider |
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| 17:17.35 | abrotman | cusco: use a version number when you install php5 |
| 17:17.41 | abrotman | erm .. libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 17:17.43 | cusco | wich should I? |
| 17:17.50 | wols | then kick your provider for being a dumbass. especially since he gives you an old broken kernel with known security exploits |
| 17:18.06 | wols | and kick him thrice for giving your testing/unstable on a server |
| 17:18.15 | wols | in short: leave him: they're idiots |
| 17:18.16 | Pinoycchio | hey that was me |
| 17:18.24 | wols | what was you? |
| 17:18.25 | george_ | cusco: which php do you want? :) |
| 17:18.43 | Pinoycchio | wuith the unstable thing wols |
| 17:18.48 | Pinoycchio | abrotman: Linux xx.246.xxx.12 2.6.15-gentoo-r1xpro #7 PREEMPT Sun Jul 16 20:15:22 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:18.52 | wols | then you deserve a kick |
| 17:18.56 | wols | !lart Pinoycchio |
| 17:19.13 | abrotman | Pinoycchio: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 17:19.19 | wols | abrotman: wasn't that local exploit or whateevr already known in july? |
| 17:19.35 | abrotman | wols: we'll see in a minute :) |
| 17:19.39 | Pinoycchio | pff |
| 17:19.42 | wols | good point :) |
| 17:19.49 | blondie | grrrrrrr |
| 17:19.53 | abrotman | Pinoycchio: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 17:20.04 | Pinoycchio | hmm don't whant to see |
| 17:20.11 | abrotman | I want to see |
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| 17:20.26 | wols | we all want to see. it tells is if it's testing or if it's unstable |
| 17:20.30 | wols | cause they're different |
| 17:20.46 | wols | and depending on that you get different advice from us |
| 17:20.52 | Pinoycchio | hmm if you want to try exploits why don't u install your own unstable machine ;) |
| 17:20.56 | abrotman | Pinoycchio: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 17:21.08 | Pinoycchio | ist says testing |
| 17:21.10 | wols | Pinoycchio: the point is to prevent exploits by using a secure kernel |
| 17:21.13 | abrotman | NO IT DOES NOT |
| 17:21.18 | wols | Pinoycchio: no it does not. it can't |
| 17:21.18 | abrotman | what does it say ? |
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| 17:21.24 | wols | please tell it what it says |
| 17:21.28 | dusty- | Hey guys, I run apt-get install libapache2_mod_auth_mysql - that installs it I then, cd /etc/apache/mods_available and do a2enmod auth_mysql which loads it and tells me to restart the webserver which i do: /etc/init.d/apache reload - then when I look at the page it gives me an Internal Server Error a look at the /var/log/apache2/error_log shows me it didn't load it because it complains about the syntax of AuthMySQLEnable on which is fine, does |
| 17:21.54 | wols | *us |
| 17:22.17 | abrotman | $ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 17:22.17 | abrotman | ii libc6 9.21.513.ds1-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 17:22.24 | abrotman | see .. that's mine .. just shows us your libc6 version |
| 17:22.40 | wols | abrotman: you truly run sid there |
| 17:22.48 | wols | didn't know that |
| 17:22.49 | abrotman | wols: yeah ... now hush .. i want to see his |
| 17:22.56 | blondie | his what? |
| 17:23.00 | abrotman | his version of libc6 |
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| 17:23.13 | wols | abrotman: figured you more for a stable guy |
| 17:23.20 | abrotman | wols: hush up already |
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| 17:23.35 | abrotman | i'm waiting for my answer from Pinoycchio |
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| 17:23.53 | cusco | abrotman: right ok thanks !! |
| 17:23.54 | wols | Pinoycchio: was fuer eine version ist es? |
| 17:24.01 | abrotman | cusco: working ? |
| 17:24.10 | cusco | yes!! |
| 17:24.13 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 17:24.34 | dusty- | Anyone? |
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| 17:25.26 | blondie | dusty-: your message was truncated |
| 17:25.38 | wols | dusty-: I'm guessing you're wrong about that authmysqlenable then if it complains about the config (and not the connection or whatever to mysql) |
| 17:25.53 | wols | dusty-: and it helps if you paste the errror message in a pastebin |
| 17:26.08 | wols | dusty-: but probably #apache would be the better place to ask imho |
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| 17:26.35 | paolo | Hi guys! After yesterday or thurday's upgrade to my testing, X doesn't work any more: it says it lacks the fixed fonts. I tryed purging and reinstalling xfonts-base, but nothing has changed. Any hint? |
| 17:26.36 | stojic | What does Synaptic use as a back end? apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 17:27.05 | jetscreamer | looks like dselect to me, but somebody told me it was ligapt or so |
| 17:27.08 | rgl | hi |
| 17:27.09 | jetscreamer | err libapt |
| 17:27.12 | wols | stojic: apt-cache show synaptic and you should know |
| 17:27.40 | Shadowcat | synaptic == evil |
| 17:27.41 | stojic | ah, I see, thanks |
| 17:27.46 | george_ | or ldd $(which synaptic) |
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| 17:28.53 | Pinoycchio | wols welche version meinst du? |
| 17:28.54 | wols | Pinoycchio: why don't you answer? |
| 17:29.07 | wols | the dpkg -l libc6 version number |
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| 17:29.20 | Shadowcat | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 17:29.21 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 |
| 17:29.25 | Shadowcat | hmm.... |
| 17:29.35 | Shadowcat | guess the bot isn't coded to do that |
| 17:29.48 | wols | someone needs to examing dpkg's head |
| 17:29.56 | Pinoycchio | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-7 |
| 17:30.11 | abrotman | the whole line please |
| 17:30.11 | Mooi | Shadowcat: why evil? anything better available? |
| 17:30.31 | wols | Mooi: aptitude |
| 17:30.34 | Shadowcat | Mooi: you don't manage your system using an admin tool in X when an upgrade can knock it out |
| 17:30.35 | Pinoycchio | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 17:30.38 | tonyb_evil2test | and aptitude is good |
| 17:30.41 | Shadowcat | it's VERY easy to kill X in debian |
| 17:30.41 | abrotman | Pinoycchio: which CPU ? |
| 17:30.56 | stojic | I guess evil == uses_X in this case |
| 17:30.58 | Shadowcat | and if you don't know how to use command line tools, you'll never get X back |
| 17:31.01 | wols | Pinoycchio: cat /proc/cpuinfo will tell |
| 17:31.12 | Pinoycchio | amt opteron 146 |
| 17:31.16 | Pinoycchio | ehm amd |
| 17:31.20 | Shadowcat | stojic: until someone makes it so that it's damn near impossible to kill X |
| 17:31.26 | Shadowcat | any X admin tool should be banned |
| 17:31.36 | magyar | hello, an odd question: What is the source for an smtp connection, is it "any:any" or "any:25" ? |
| 17:32.11 | wols | source to incoming connection is any. incoming port is 25 |
| 17:32.13 | stojic | Shadowcat: ok, but for home/desktop usage where you can mess up your system without getting your head chopped off, synaptic is a really great tool |
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| 17:32.28 | magyar | thanks wols |
| 17:32.33 | Mooi | Shadowcat: well, if a user is stupid, they won't check if any x-related libs or x itself is being updated ;) |
| 17:32.45 | Shadowcat | stojic: no, home/desktop users rarely know how to get themselves out of console mode |
| 17:32.45 | wols | Pinoycchio: get a k7 kernel then. 2.6.17 should be available |
| 17:32.50 | abrotman | Pinoycchio: dpkg-architecture ... what does the first line say ? |
| 17:32.55 | Mooi | ..or gtk libraries for example |
| 17:32.56 | abrotman | wols: he might have pure64 |
| 17:33.08 | Shadowcat | if you're a network admin, you *hopefully* have enough know how to get out of a console only environment |
| 17:33.09 | abrotman | wols: did you like my libc6 version number? :) |
| 17:33.12 | Pinoycchio | DEB_BUILD_ARCH=i386 |
| 17:33.17 | Shadowcat | in which case you can use gui tools with CAUTION |
| 17:33.20 | wols | no. too high for my taste |
| 17:33.22 | abrotman | Pinoycchio: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 17:33.23 | stojic | Shadowcat: ok, but is it better for novice users to use Synaptic or not use anything at all? |
| 17:33.24 | magyar | wols: on an interview a head IT guy was trying to tell me that I am wrong, it should be "any:any" |
| 17:33.26 | Pinoycchio | sorry guys gotta have a lunch gonna chat later |
| 17:33.29 | wols | use 2.21 next time. much less bugs |
| 17:33.44 | Pinoycchio | that abrotman and wols gonna check that |
| 17:33.44 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:33.44 | Shadowcat | stojic: there's a reason some poor fellow in here stayed up all night and coded aptitude |
| 17:33.58 | wols | magyar: a smtp server only runs on port 25. and accepts depending on config port 465 too. never "any" |
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| 17:34.12 | wols | the remote server you can't contrl so it could actually be any. but local: no way |
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| 17:35.02 | abrotman | the exiting port on the client could be anything |
| 17:35.39 | abrotman | but it will connect to 25 on your side |
| 17:35.39 | wols | and it usually is |
| 17:35.39 | wols | abrotman: with google you connect to 465 for example |
| 17:35.39 | wols | and there might be some strange SSL ports too. not sure |
| 17:35.49 | abrotman | wols: that's a custom config though |
| 17:36.00 | wols | no it's not. look in /etc/services :) |
| 17:36.02 | abrotman | wols: and that's ssmtp |
| 17:36.06 | magyar | wols: so in reallity it is source: any:any destination: mail:25 |
| 17:36.07 | abrotman | wols: but it's not normal |
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| 17:36.16 | wols | ssmtp 465/tcp smtps # SMTP over SSL |
| 17:36.16 | stojic | Shadowcat: ok, I agree that using Synaptic can lead to trouble, but I still consider it a useful tool |
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| 17:36.31 | wols | magyar: yes |
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| 17:36.59 | abrotman | wols: but not all smtp servers run that |
| 17:37.01 | magyar | wols: ok so than he is right, i tought the source also must communicate on 25 |
| 17:37.08 | wols | magyar: MUAs usually use the first free port above 1024 and NATed boxes use some 64xxx port |
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| 17:37.25 | magyar | wols: roger, thanks |
| 17:37.50 | magyar | wols: what about MTA to MTA ? |
| 17:37.58 | wols | same as MUA |
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| 17:39.33 | archpollux | i'm trying to create a linear soft raid using mdadm with 2 existing drives and 2 missing drives and i am getting this error: mdadm: RUN_ARRAY failed: Invalid argument |
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| 17:40.24 | thegve | Is it normal that the performance of qmail sucks? |
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| 17:40.34 | wols | yes it's normal that qmail sucks |
| 17:40.37 | abrotman | s/ the performance of// |
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| 17:40.46 | thegve | Or is it more likely a configuration problem.. |
| 17:40.47 | thegve | ok |
| 17:40.58 | thegve | What is better then? |
| 17:41.07 | wols | use exim4 or postfix |
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| 17:41.23 | thegve | We have only 70 domains on a mail,web,ftp server |
| 17:41.33 | thegve | and qmail is crashing al the time |
| 17:41.38 | archpollux | qmail rules, just need to know how to configure it properly |
| 17:41.46 | abrotman | no .. use postfix or exim |
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| 17:41.57 | thegve | We use plesk as a control panel |
| 17:42.18 | thegve | So I don't know how free I am in choosing the SMTP daemon |
| 17:42.37 | thegve | I'm afraid I can't change it |
| 17:42.37 | abrotman | don't use plesk ? |
| 17:42.39 | wols | one of the two should work afaik |
| 17:42.41 | archpollux | thegve: do you keep the queue on an nfs mount? |
| 17:42.47 | thegve | No |
| 17:42.58 | wols | abrotman: they paid a shitload of money for plesk. must use it to make it a good decision... |
| 17:42.59 | abrotman | oh .. there's a winning combo .. qmail and nfs .. FTW! |
| 17:43.00 | thegve | A plain server, ext3 |
| 17:43.11 | ekkikrist | thegve: you can't change nor modify it. it's plesk. |
| 17:43.34 | thegve | I was afraid of that |
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| 17:43.58 | thegve | I was thinking of running a (virtual xen) mail server, and maintaining the list of domains by hand in it. |
| 17:44.08 | thegve | We only get a few new domains every month |
| 17:44.26 | thegve | Or I could even write some code to query it out of the plesk mysql database. |
| 17:44.54 | ekkikrist | consider turning on the rbl feature if you haven't done that already (plesk calls it MAPS) and be prepared to do a lot of manual queue management |
| 17:45.12 | thegve | We have 1 physical server in the datacenter now, and 1 at the office that is being configured (as soon as I get back, I'm out of the country now) |
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| 17:49.03 | tonyb_evil2test | hmm |
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| 17:49.17 | tonyb2006 | hm |
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| 17:49.57 | buggarage | can someone ping me please ? i have a nat problem i think |
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| 17:50.13 | tonyb2006 | uh |
| 17:50.36 | Mooi | ping buggarage |
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| 17:51.35 | znr | buggarage:: 85.182.59.46 |
| 17:51.56 | seekingHelp | (running etch) i have updated from xorg7.0 to 7.1. Now i have the fixed font problem. can sb please upload a working xorg7.1 config so i can copy the fonts-config .... ? |
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| 17:52.40 | znr | buggarage:: nope... no reply |
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| 17:52.49 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-fdbbfad9b02233b11ba1572a631827697766afc4 |
| 17:53.07 | tonyb_evil2test | is xorg 7.1 in testing yet |
| 17:53.09 | abrotman | seekingHelp: check that URL .. or try reinstalling xfonts-base |
| 17:53.17 | abrotman | tonyb_evil2test: yes |
| 17:53.23 | tonyb_evil2test | nice |
| 17:53.23 | buggarage | znr: thank you |
| 17:53.33 | tonyb_evil2test | /me ;d |
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| 17:54.39 | znr | np |
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| 17:55.17 | blondie | abrotman: but... pdo says it's version 7.0 in testing |
| 17:55.30 | abrotman | it's lying |
| 17:55.41 | blondie | hm |
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| 17:56.07 | blondie | how can you chopw do you know what version of X you have? |
| 17:56.13 | blondie | wtf |
| 17:56.19 | magyar | any postfix experts? i have an odd question? |
| 17:56.27 | abrotman | in #postfix ... |
| 17:56.29 | niles | hi, what program provides such monitors on the desktop in this example --> http://wildbill.nulldevice.net/images/Sith-Screenie.png |
| 17:56.33 | abrotman | blondie: X -version |
| 17:56.37 | magyar | abrotman: noone there |
| 17:56.38 | niles | it looks like it's gnome, which i run. |
| 17:56.39 | magyar | i tried |
| 17:56.47 | abrotman | magyar: just wait for them .. be patient |
| 17:56.57 | abrotman | niles: it's gnome afaict |
| 17:56.58 | niles | to the right of the picture |
| 17:57.02 | tonyb_evil2test | niles, gkrellm |
| 17:57.03 | blondie | hm |
| 17:57.05 | niles | afaict ehh? |
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| 17:57.06 | tonyb_evil2test | or conky |
| 17:57.10 | tonyb_evil2test | or somthing |
| 17:57.12 | niles | ok thanx fellaz |
| 17:57.14 | abrotman | niles: gkrellm or gdesklets |
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| 17:57.38 | seekingHelp | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:58.12 | buggarage | when i do an "ip link show" i get nr0-3 and sit0 beneath lo eth0 and ppp0 what are those where do they come from ? |
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| 18:01.34 | rototo | does someone know how to fix this ssh error ? : : channel 1: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed ( ssh tun vpn ) |
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| 18:03.57 | aubergine | hi |
| 18:04.06 | aubergine | how can i start memtest on ssh? |
| 18:04.41 | rototo | aubergine, only on boot .. |
| 18:04.58 | tonyb_evil2test | you can set your bootloader to run it, reboot, and pray |
| 18:05.11 | rototo | with lilo / grub |
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| 18:05.30 | abrotman | no .. you can run it from within the OS .. but it has limitations |
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| 18:06.07 | aubergine | hm but i cant see what it does |
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| 18:06.21 | aubergine | is there a ram test that runs on the console? |
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| 18:07.19 | wols | !tell aubergine about search |
| 18:07.21 | aubergine | my server hangs when the usage went higher |
| 18:07.34 | wols | sounds like overheating or weak PSU |
| 18:07.53 | aubergine | temperatur is good |
| 18:08.00 | aubergine | i think its the ram |
| 18:08.22 | wols | unlikely that it only shows under load |
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| 18:08.51 | aubergine | yes i dont know what to do |
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| 18:09.06 | aubergine | its a colocation and i dont want to send it back to me |
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| 18:09.52 | Seb | how do I tell udev i want /dev/hdd to be /dev/cdrom and not /dev/hdc ? |
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| 18:10.44 | jetscreamer | /etc/udev there's a place for udev rules in there |
| 18:10.44 | Feax | !paster |
| 18:10.44 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:10.53 | EvilSporkMan | the recent apache2 upgrade broke my svn and websvn configurations...is there a guide somewhere on recovering? |
| 18:10.59 | paolob | Guys, this message come out in a message window when starting epiphany in testing: "Epiphany could not connect to the session message bus. Your default settings will not be available." What does it mean? |
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| 18:12.11 | EvilSporkMan | in particular, it's whining about "configuration error: couldn't check user. No user file?" in /var/log/apache2/error.log . I've done a2enmod authn_file |
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| 18:13.08 | rototo | does someone have any idea about the ssh/vpn/tun pb ? |
| 18:13.44 | jetscreamer | punkbuster! |
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| 18:15.45 | pumpkin0 | can compiz be used together with icewm ? |
| 18:15.53 | gravity | No |
| 18:16.01 | gravity | compiz is a window manager |
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| 18:16.35 | pumpkin0 | OK, so does it work standalone ? |
| 18:16.44 | gravity | Yes |
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| 18:17.12 | gravity | I use it with gnome though, so I don't know how well it works on its own. Probably not too well, it doesn't include a start menu thingy or anything like that |
| 18:17.13 | pumpkin0 | gravity: thanks. |
| 18:17.19 | jetscreamer | what is this compiz-gtk |
| 18:17.27 | jetscreamer | i want it to work with icewm also |
| 18:17.28 | gravity | Window decoration stuff |
| 18:17.38 | gravity | It can't. That's not possible. |
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| 18:17.48 | sanmarcos | can a file have multiple groups ? |
| 18:17.51 | jetscreamer | actually, i use icewm but metacity is the wm iirc... icewm-gnome |
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| 18:17.52 | pumpkin0 | gravity: i almost never use the startmenu anyway. Console is faster for me. |
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| 18:18.07 | abrotman | sanmarcos: that you belong to? yes |
| 18:18.16 | gravity | Well, if that's possible then icewm has changed |
| 18:18.23 | iveqy | hi, I'm using debian etch but having trouble to find more fonts. the msttcorefonts wasn't present |
| 18:18.26 | sanmarcos | abrotman: I mean something like chgrp group1,group2 file |
| 18:18.26 | jetscreamer | there is also icewm |
| 18:18.29 | gravity | You'll have to do the work to find out. I have no idea. |
| 18:18.38 | jetscreamer | i'm not up on the internals of icewm though |
| 18:18.44 | jetscreamer | k thanks |
| 18:19.20 | jetscreamer | hey |
| 18:19.21 | abrotman | sanmarcos: uhm ..you can be one at a time ... |
| 18:19.28 | xingu | sanmarcos: setfacl |
| 18:19.29 | abrotman | sanmarcos: you can belong to numerious |
| 18:19.32 | jetscreamer | how come startx -e icewm doesn't work anymore |
| 18:19.47 | abrotman | xingu: doesn't the FS have to support ACLs ? |
| 18:19.53 | sanmarcos | is acl supported in ext3? |
| 18:19.54 | azeem | have to? |
| 18:19.57 | xingu | abrotman: yes; but the good ones do. |
| 18:20.01 | azeem | sanmarcos: with special mount options |
| 18:20.17 | abrotman | see .. i'm not crazy! |
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| 18:21.06 | Ronin | well i wouldnt go that far abrotman |
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| 18:21.20 | abrotman | at least i'm not canadian! |
| 18:21.31 | Ronin | you should be so lucky |
| 18:21.40 | EvilSporkMan | I think it has soemthing to do with the upgrade fiddling with the loaded apache modules |
| 18:21.57 | tonyb_evil2test | or aptitude i mean |
| 18:22.08 | tonyb_evil2test | /me takes a deep breath |
| 18:22.23 | tonyb_evil2test | damned irc client i wrote.....forgot to put in /me |
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| 18:23.05 | abrotman | how about you don't test it here ? |
| 18:23.38 | Charminthemoose | does anyone here know how i can record a video from totem via xvidcap? |
| 18:23.39 | tonyb_evil2test | fine, ill just make an empty room and wait untill 700 people come in and talk |
| 18:23.50 | abrotman | there is #flood ? |
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| 18:24.16 | tonyb2006 | abrotman: meh |
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| 18:26.27 | buggarage | i want to install swi-prolog, but i depends on libreadlin4 and i have an newer version of readline 5.1 or so, how can i make aptitude make it install ? or do i have to use apt-get install --no-deps swi-prolog ? |
| 18:26.49 | mwe | where is the documentation for the LS_COLORS environment variable? not man dircolors or man ls. |
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| 18:27.02 | bobbens | anyone experiencing problems with python-subversion? seems to work fine on my sid box, but doesnt work on my etch box. Ive tried --reinstalling, --purging and installing and it still wont work when i try to import svn |
| 18:27.24 | sanmarcos | bobbens: 1.3 changed from 1.4, the protocol I mean |
| 18:27.26 | niles | is it possible to have a paticular program(gkrellm), run behind all other windows and on all workspaces? |
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| 18:28.01 | bobbens | sanmarcos: have you gotten it working in etch? |
| 18:28.02 | viator | theres a cli tool to copy the contents on an entire webpage |
| 18:28.07 | sanmarcos | bobbens: dont use etch |
| 18:28.09 | viator | do you know waht its called |
| 18:28.13 | sanmarcos | viator: wget ? |
| 18:28.15 | jetscreamer | wget |
| 18:28.18 | viator | no |
| 18:28.20 | jetscreamer | wget -m |
| 18:28.21 | viator | not wget |
| 18:28.37 | jetscreamer | well ok you want the second best then |
| 18:28.41 | viator | ity saves the content as a webpage |
| 18:28.44 | bobbens | sanmarcos: well any idea on where to look? it works fine on my sid box, but my sid box isnt hosting a trac server |
| 18:28.57 | viator | gets the video files from alll directories mp3's etc |
| 18:28.58 | Seb | how can I find all the packages on hold from the command line ? |
| 18:28.59 | jetscreamer | wget will mirror the entire website or d/l one page |
| 18:29.04 | abrotman | !hold |
| 18:29.05 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 18:29.24 | abrotman | oh .. on hold ... |
| 18:29.29 | Seb | yep, I know what hold is :) Now how do I list all those packages ? :) |
| 18:29.30 | Seb | heh |
| 18:29.34 | viator | wget -m www.mywebpage |
| 18:29.35 | jetscreamer | dpkg --get-selections | grep H maybe |
| 18:29.39 | viator | like that? |
| 18:29.39 | abrotman | Seb: dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 18:29.44 | Seb | ooooh yeah --get-selections |
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| 18:29.46 | Seb | forgot about that |
| 18:29.53 | Seb | jetscreamer, abrotman: thanks guys |
| 18:30.04 | jetscreamer | or grep = i forget |
| 18:30.12 | haakonn | anyone know of a subversion 1.4 repo for sarge? backports only have 1.3 |
| 18:30.20 | gentgeen__ | Silly question... If I want to use AdvanceMENU (MAME) and it only supports SDL -- Does that mean I have to install X? |
| 18:30.42 | buggarage | oh i see there's no swi-prolog on etch! |
| 18:30.43 | sanmarcos | yes |
| 18:30.51 | bobbens | gentgeen__: SDL only works in X |
| 18:30.57 | viator | where does wget save by deafualt? |
| 18:31.02 | viator | home>? |
| 18:31.06 | bobbens | viator: current dir |
| 18:31.11 | viator | ahh |
| 18:31.13 | viator | excellent |
| 18:31.26 | gentgeen__ | bobbens, thanks... OK so next question would be what packages do I need for the most minimal of X installs? |
| 18:32.01 | bobbens | gentgeen__: use aptitude to choose the core, the modules you need and such |
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| 18:33.24 | viator | says http request sent awaiting respnse |
| 18:33.35 | viator | and its seems to be stalling |
| 18:33.36 | omry | I have a problem that cause video players to play video incorrectly - the upper half of the video is stretched across the whole render area. if appears in xine and also in mplayer. I am using fglrx ati drivers. any idea what it can be? |
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| 18:36.14 | gentgeen__ | bobbens, thanks |
| 18:37.08 | g00se | I'm trying to relay to my 'real' smtp server with exim4 but keep getting this: http://proteanit.net/misc/mailerr.txt (sorry about need to h-scroll). AFAICS i've told it to use uname + passwd to authenticate |
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| 18:38.44 | wols | it won't accept mail for proteani.net |
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| 18:39.17 | g00se | wols: when you say 'it' do you mean exim host or 'real' one? |
| 18:39.42 | wols | real one |
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| 18:39.59 | d0uglas | what is mailstore and can it work with postfix or exim |
| 18:40.06 | d0uglas | or any linux mta for that matter |
| 18:40.07 | abrotman | maildir ? |
| 18:40.20 | wols | any mailstore you want |
| 18:40.27 | wols | usually courier or dovecot is used |
| 18:40.44 | g00se | wols: but it will if i use Thunderbird - as long as auth occurs |
| 18:41.00 | Charminthemoose | where can i get mplayer? |
| 18:41.10 | d0uglas | hmm maildir sounds good, one-messaage-per-file.. does that mean |
| 18:41.13 | rototo | does someone know how to fix this ssh error ? : : channel 1: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed |
| 18:41.16 | d0uglas | sigh w32codecs question |
| 18:41.31 | wols | g00se: someone sending you mail from somewhere else can't auth |
| 18:41.32 | d0uglas | charminthemoose mplayer.hq or /msg dpkg marillat |
| 18:41.33 | g00se | So it looks like auth is not being attempted or it's not successful |
| 18:41.44 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: which version of debian ? |
| 18:41.58 | jetscreamer | !tell Charminthemoose -about marillat |
| 18:41.59 | wols | !tell Charminthemoose about marillat |
| 18:42.00 | Charminthemoose | i'm running sarge 3.1rc3 |
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| 18:42.09 | abrotman | then yes .. /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 18:42.15 | d0uglas | then /msg dpkg marillat.sarge |
| 18:42.22 | abrotman | or rather .. the !mplayer mentions that mplayer is in sid now |
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| 18:42.40 | wols | g00se: foreing MTAs who want to send you mail won't auth. never will |
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| 18:44.29 | g00se | wols: Just successfully sent mail to mail gmail acc through exactly the same (uklinux) server. (Auth is taking place) |
| 18:44.47 | jetscreamer | :/ libconfig-file-perl conflicts with libconfigfile-perl |
| 18:44.54 | jetscreamer | go figure |
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| 18:46.17 | wols | g00se: you don't understand outgoing and incoming mail, do you? |
| 18:46.41 | wols | incoming mail will never ever use smtp auth since it obviously can't |
| 18:46.51 | wols | outgoing mail will use smtp-auth and will work fine |
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| 18:49.03 | viator | how can i use wget to mirror the website but grab all the video giles etc |
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| 18:49.12 | viator | i basically want to view the page offline |
| 18:49.20 | bobbens | viator: man wget |
| 18:49.34 | jetscreamer | wget -m |
| 18:49.38 | jetscreamer | m for mirror |
| 18:49.43 | viator | iman pages are fun but human interaction is better |
| 18:49.54 | jetscreamer | there is another switch |
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| 18:50.03 | viator | yeah i used -m it grabbed the whole page |
| 18:50.11 | viator | except teh video clips |
| 18:50.33 | g00se | wols: have to go now, but it's uklinux that's doing auth. Username + password should be being passed to it. Looks like it isn't |
| 18:51.02 | viator | plus im on the mac now |
| 18:51.07 | viator | wifes on the linux box |
| 18:51.12 | Charminthemoose | could installing stuff from unstable break things? |
| 18:51.13 | g00se | exim4 -> uklinux -> destination |
| 18:51.19 | wols | you really don't have a clue about mail |
| 18:51.23 | jetscreamer | -p, --page-requisites |
| 18:51.24 | d0uglas | i work for a maritime company that relies heavily on communication (we operate about 100 50+ ton vessels) yet IT in our manhattan office has decreed a 20 meg per mail max. We've spent tens of thousands on equipment in the past few months and the department has enjoyed as large a budget as they've asked for. My idea to help the load is an mta (or mta supplicant) that for locally-sent mails to multiple recipiants with a large attachment not to make |
| 18:51.34 | d0uglas | attachment for each person but to somehow link the mails to one file |
| 18:51.41 | d0uglas | might this be something that this maildir thing does? |
| 18:51.52 | d0uglas | and is 20 meg a reasonable number? |
| 18:52.01 | bobbens | Charminthemoose: dont mix debian versions unless you want a broken system |
| 18:52.08 | jetscreamer | try wget --help |
| 18:52.22 | jetscreamer | 20megs is huge |
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| 18:52.55 | wols | jetscreamer: word docs. pdfs |
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| 18:52.58 | abrotman | d0uglas: there are solutions for that |
| 18:53.01 | jetscreamer | if you mean per mailing |
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| 18:53.06 | abrotman | 20MB is nothing for a mailbox |
| 18:53.06 | d0uglas | what about huge firms like goldman sachs that must send several hundred page pdfs to all of their offices regularly, you're telling me they've got everyone ftping? |
| 18:53.17 | jetscreamer | per mailbox no, i mean per msg |
| 18:53.22 | Charminthemoose | ok.. |
| 18:53.39 | jetscreamer | my default is 10megs, 20 is adequate imo but i know nothing |
| 18:53.47 | d0uglas | i doubt said pdfs are < 256 shades of grey either |
| 18:54.00 | multi_io | I'm trying to install a package in aptitude. aptitude says it's going to install it, but then it doesn't. |
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| 18:54.24 | d0uglas | all right then.. but would this maildir abrotman said be something to possibly help? i dont want to step on IT's toes unless i've got something good |
| 18:54.29 | multi_io | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4257 |
| 18:54.30 | d0uglas | ehh i'll just google the sucker nevermind |
| 18:54.40 | multi_io | what's wrong there? |
| 18:54.42 | wols | d0uglas: no it won't |
| 18:54.47 | abrotman | d0uglas: 20MB is nothing .. 1GB is reasonable |
| 18:54.49 | wols | at least not alone |
| 18:54.55 | abrotman | 200MB is .. doable |
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| 18:55.22 | tuliobRA | xfs or reiserFS, what is faster |
| 18:55.32 | d0uglas | abrotman: right that's what i thought. I don't know the specs but we just dropped 7 grand on another server. |
| 18:55.36 | jetscreamer | both will bork you out if you let them tuliobRA |
| 18:55.39 | jetscreamer | have a ups |
| 18:55.41 | d0uglas | we do have to save absolutely everything though |
| 18:55.55 | sepski | tuliobRA, depends on what you use them for. have a ups with automatic shutdown |
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| 18:56.02 | abrotman | sounds like IT needs an upgrade :) |
| 18:56.06 | tuliobRA | 2.1gb partition =p |
| 18:56.06 | pst[jerk | I thought atomicity and transactions were supposed to solve that... ;) |
| 18:56.09 | tuliobRA | i will use for compiling things |
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| 18:56.13 | tuliobRA | 20mb files max |
| 18:56.27 | d0uglas | i think you're onto something there abrotman |
| 18:56.28 | kodla | i need to get a new laptop and i was wondering if anyone could recommend one or at least a make. i use my laptop primarily for word processing, web browsing, and some games but nothing too crazy |
| 18:56.35 | sepski | tuliobRA, reiserfs is nice for small files. xfs for large files. both will wipe out your files if the power goes at a bad time. |
| 18:56.40 | kodla | i want to run debian on it obviously :D |
| 18:56.40 | wols | tuliobRA: if you have to ask: use ext3 |
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| 18:56.43 | limpio | tuliobRA: if you google, you'll find out speed is not that important |
| 18:56.43 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 18:56.44 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 18:56.48 | xingu | d0uglas: you're aware that mail-encoded documents are best-case ~1.7x or so the size of the originals? |
| 18:56.56 | tuliobRA | i will go reiserFS then, thank you for help |
| 18:56.56 | d0uglas | we've got multiple t1s too |
| 18:57.03 | sepski | tuliobRA, i'd recomend ext3 too |
| 18:57.10 | tuliobRA | power is not a problem =p |
| 18:57.15 | pst[jerk | tuliobRA, just make sure that your HD is in the right mode ... moving from non-DMA to DMA access here sped up access by 10x. |
| 18:57.15 | sepski | it's a lot more stable then reiserfs, and require less maintainance |
| 18:57.28 | jetscreamer | tuliobRA: are you sure you want to use the bloody reiser? :) |
| 18:57.30 | xingu | d0uglas: if the part of sachs you deal with is also still living in the stoneage, that'll be nearer 3x |
| 18:57.35 | sepski | !reiserfs |
| 18:57.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: goverment-sponsered, highly scienctific and secretive. |
| 18:57.39 | wols | jetscreamer: tasteless |
| 18:57.39 | d0uglas | xingu: yeah i know and this could be solved simply with ftp and all i'd have to do is show people how to drag a file in into a shortcutted folder but people here are not going to change and instead just be pissed about the 20 meg limit |
| 18:57.41 | tuliobRA | i want the fastest =p |
| 18:58.00 | kodla | my lappy is so screwed up :( |
| 18:58.00 | jetscreamer | wols: but i sounded english! |
| 18:58.12 | d0uglas | xingu: and 50x for mails addressed to everyone in the office, right |
| 18:58.19 | Tallu | Uhm, anyone else having trouble connecting to kernel.org? |
| 18:58.20 | xingu | d0uglas: is there any scope to have the detachments decoded and replaced with a uri? |
| 18:58.45 | d0uglas | xingu: could that be done without any change on the user end at least when drafting the mail? |
| 18:58.47 | sepski | tuliobRA, well if it's for things that are expendable and it realy dosn't matter much then sure use raiserfs |
| 18:58.52 | jetscreamer | Tallu: i just did an upgrade with mirrors.kernel.org |
| 18:58.53 | d0uglas | because that would do it |
| 18:58.57 | jetscreamer | like 3 minutes ago |
| 18:59.00 | xingu | d0uglas: thought occurs that detaching an attachment then parking it somewhere with a link back to an md5sum of the decoded content could work surprisingly well |
| 18:59.10 | Tallu | jetscreamer: hmm ok, must be my routing then |
| 18:59.10 | tuliobRA | sepski thank you very much, i will ask now how to update to 2.6.19 kernel =p |
| 18:59.14 | xingu | d0uglas: depends on the whole setup and what assumptions you make |
| 18:59.21 | d0uglas | xingu: yes that's exactly what i want |
| 18:59.25 | jetscreamer | .19? |
| 18:59.32 | tuliobRA | .18 stable |
| 18:59.34 | jetscreamer | wouldn't that be a non-release? |
| 18:59.41 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:59.49 | d0uglas | depends on the setup? if this is doable we'd buy a brand new setup if we had to. what exactly do you have in mind? |
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| 19:00.08 | multi_io | !aptitude |
| 19:00.08 | dpkg | somebody said aptitude was a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 19:00.19 | reebd | How do I get directory file size? |
| 19:00.38 | d0uglas | reedb: ls -lahS|more |
| 19:00.47 | abrotman | du -sk |
| 19:00.53 | d0uglas | ... or that |
| 19:00.57 | xingu | d0uglas: not sure what's already done/ available but something could but banged together pretty quickly with a mail filter hooked into your inbound virus scanning gateway |
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| 19:01.05 | reebd | abrotman: thanks. |
| 19:02.05 | xingu | d0uglas: treat uuencode/b64encoded content as a virus, decode, toss to a wiki, rewrite the mail content, deliver to inhouse server |
| 19:02.20 | reebd | abrotman: is there a way just to get directory file size without getting all sub directory info? |
| 19:02.32 | abrotman | du -k |
| 19:02.35 | abrotman | man du |
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| 19:03.14 | reebd | Nah, that gives me full sub tree listing. I just want top directory size. |
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| 19:03.39 | jetscreamer | du -h /path/to/dir /? |
| 19:03.44 | jetscreamer | nah |
| 19:03.45 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 19:03.51 | tuliobRA | !update-kernel |
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| 19:04.38 | reebd | It's 'du -skh' |
| 19:04.40 | jetscreamer | du -hs /path/to/dir/ |
| 19:04.45 | abrotman | i was close! |
| 19:04.53 | reebd | abrotman: thanks for the man tip! :) |
| 19:05.07 | jetscreamer | reexamines manpage |
| 19:05.21 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 19:06.32 | tuliobRA | how to update debian's kernel to 2.6.18? |
| 19:06.44 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
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| 19:07.14 | jetscreamer | jsut apt-get install it |
| 19:07.20 | reebd | I have tar backup script. It gzip's 30GB directory. How reliable is gzip/tar with that file size? |
| 19:07.33 | jetscreamer | probably very |
| 19:07.34 | sid | reebd: very reliable. |
| 19:07.41 | tuliobRA | debian 3.1r1 |
| 19:07.42 | jetscreamer | ah i was right |
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| 19:07.53 | wols | gzip/tar is very reliable. the question is: how reliable is your storage medium for this file |
| 19:07.54 | jetscreamer | tuliobRA: /msg dpkg backports i guess |
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| 19:08.11 | wols | or your network if you transmit it |
| 19:08.22 | reebd | it's a local disk. |
| 19:09.05 | reebd | I guess my question is if file size increases the change of corrupt gzip file. In other words, is 30GB bit too much for one single gzip file to handle? |
| 19:09.14 | reebd | change = chance |
| 19:09.16 | wols | no |
| 19:09.55 | reebd | wols: why not? I want to learn :-) |
| 19:10.10 | kodla | can someone tell me if this is a pretty good deal? http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Lenovo-1GB-15-4-WXGA-DVD-RW-Core-Duo-Laptop-New_W0QQitemZ130041133370QQihZ003QQcategoryZ140083QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 19:10.13 | wols | cause gzip is a good archiver which doesn't fsck up files |
| 19:10.24 | reebd | lol |
| 19:10.24 | wols | kodla: #hardware |
| 19:10.30 | kodla | wols: ok |
| 19:10.35 | simonrvn | not too much to handle, but would increase the chance of the file getting corrupted. that's just normal chances though, not because it's a gzipped tarball |
| 19:10.43 | reebd | I had a fare share of fskced/corrupted tar file |
| 19:10.47 | reebd | file = files |
| 19:11.19 | wols | and hwo do you know it was tars or gzips fault? |
| 19:11.26 | simonrvn | tar and gzip have been around a while... heh. and still maintained actively |
| 19:12.20 | reebd | Again, I'm not asking about tar being reliable. My question (refrased) was if 30GB is a bit too much for one file. It seems to me that files of that size can get corrupted easily. |
| 19:12.43 | wols | you need to learn more about statistics |
| 19:12.47 | simonrvn | reebd: um, data changes, esp. on an magnetic surfaced set of disks, sensitive to all sorts of things. life is dynamic, shit happens. |
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| 19:13.15 | wols | 30GB are 30GB no matter if in a single file on in a bunch of files |
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| 19:14.39 | simonrvn | you improve your chances if you have several tarballs... 30 gb covers a lot of territory... |
| 19:15.15 | sandman | Does ALSA do stream mixing by default now? |
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| 19:15.28 | simonrvn | supposedly |
| 19:15.48 | wols | reebd: you can look into quickpar |
| 19:16.00 | wols | simonrvn: no dmix anymore? |
| 19:16.23 | rototo | still strugling with this ssh error : channel 1: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed |
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| 19:16.59 | simonrvn | wols: dmix is enabled by default. aren't they just 2 different words for the same thing? |
| 19:17.21 | wols | ah, thought one had to install it separately still |
| 19:17.27 | wols | !dmix |
| 19:17.28 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 19:18.11 | jetscreamer | all i know is i heard you don't need a sound server anymore for that |
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| 19:18.25 | yeik | !es |
| 19:18.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:18.34 | simonrvn | that's why if an app starts up esd or artsd i kill them (the "daemon") |
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| 19:18.53 | somedude | did a new debian come out |
| 19:19.05 | Coweater | no |
| 19:19.07 | simonrvn | www.debian.org |
| 19:19.15 | blondie | yes it did |
| 19:19.21 | abrotman | yeah .. what about it ? |
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| 19:22.31 | Charminthemoose | are there any programs out there that can record a video playing in totem? |
| 19:22.53 | keyboarder | hmm how can i check for the real name of a user? |
| 19:23.04 | abrotman | finger ? |
| 19:23.30 | keyboarder | oh yes |
| 19:23.31 | keyboarder | :DD |
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| 19:26.27 | waltz | you you all *really* put your build servers on the public internet? |
| 19:26.31 | waltz | PLEASE TELL ME I AM WRONG! |
| 19:27.09 | NaRaK | your wrong :) |
| 19:27.12 | blondie | waltz: you're wrong |
| 19:27.13 | RvGaTe | what kind of question is that ? |
| 19:27.20 | RvGaTe | waltz, you're wrong |
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| 19:27.28 | blondie | a troll question |
| 19:27.30 | jetscreamer | you're always wrong |
| 19:27.31 | Charminthemoose | you sir,are wrog |
| 19:27.32 | cusco | waltz: most of us do |
| 19:27.34 | Charminthemoose | *wrong |
| 19:27.34 | cusco | why? |
| 19:27.40 | NaRaK | not the answer he was hoping for I guess :) |
| 19:27.43 | RvGaTe | but it aint sunday |
| 19:27.51 | waltz | no, not a troll question |
| 19:27.54 | jetscreamer | maybe it is where he is |
| 19:27.56 | waltz | just that everyone seems to claim this |
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| 19:28.17 | cusco | well...? |
| 19:28.18 | abrotman | waltz: you mean instead of a DMZ ? |
| 19:28.29 | waltz | yeah |
| 19:28.35 | RvGaTe | waltz, here's a question for you... what makes you think its not possible? |
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| 19:28.56 | waltz | prone to attacks |
| 19:29.01 | waltz | is a good reason NOT to do this |
| 19:29.12 | RvGaTe | every server has that problem |
| 19:29.27 | SeanTater | I have a sis740, (it has a tv-out), and I'd really like to use that TV-out. I have a nvidia card too, but it lacks tv-out. Can I use the sis TV out, and is it possible to use both cards at the same time so I can still use my lcd ? |
| 19:29.28 | RvGaTe | and every server has his own method against it |
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| 19:29.30 | wols | waltz: debian users are Free software zealots. We WANT people to access CVS |
| 19:29.38 | waltz | but debian's *build servers* should NOT face the *public* internet! |
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| 19:29.49 | simonrvn | buildds do not have cvs on them |
| 19:29.55 | waltz | yeah.. |
| 19:30.03 | waltz | cvs servers != build servers |
| 19:30.03 | jeph | hi all. Installed PostgreSQL 8.1.5 from source on sarge. Now I want to apt-get install libdbd-pg-perl, but it depends on libpq3. How do I tell it not to depend on it, or, to use the 8.1.5 client library? |
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| 19:30.22 | wols | waltz: then what's wrong with a server that has only ssh? |
| 19:30.46 | waltz | I don't know... |
| 19:30.50 | wols | jeph: you make a deb and stop breaking the package management |
| 19:30.51 | simonrvn | waltz: they do need to be able to access the source packages and such |
| 19:31.40 | RichiH | wols: generally speaking, it is always better to keep important machines behind a stepping stone, of course |
| 19:31.40 | simonrvn | jeph: see backports.org |
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| 19:31.42 | weissi | jeph, that is not possible without breaking your package database |
| 19:31.43 | jeph | thanks guys, shall investigate more.... |
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| 19:31.47 | jeph | cheers |
| 19:31.49 | RichiH | simonrvn: that could easily be solved by a proxy system where you just enter an url and get that package |
| 19:32.16 | simonrvn | ]oh, i don't know how they have that set up. they probably do. |
| 19:32.17 | weissi | jeph, eigther build a own deb, or use apt-src or try checkinstall |
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| 19:33.15 | tosh| | wpa_supplicant with ipw2200 keeps ignoring my wpa wlan ap. im trying to recompile my kernel to disable the ieee80211 subset but I can't disable it, its either active (*) or (M)odule? what am I missing? |
| 19:33.21 | simonrvn | they're also physically separated, too, by sometimes quite long distances, as i understand. |
| 19:33.40 | waltz | 15:33.03 <@waltz> simonrvn gave a good reason |
| 19:33.40 | waltz | 15:33.10 <@waltz> and what's wrong with a server that only enables ssh? |
| 19:33.40 | waltz | 15:33.22 <@pyxystyx> it's still facing the public internet |
| 19:33.40 | waltz | 15:33.30 <@waltz> and? |
| 19:33.40 | waltz | 15:33.36 <@pyxystyx> so it's vulnerable |
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| 19:33.51 | RichiH | heh |
| 19:33.52 | waltz | rawr |
| 19:33.57 | simonrvn | wtf ? :) |
| 19:34.00 | waltz | ;o |
| 19:34.03 | RichiH | you shalt paste |
| 19:34.06 | RichiH | thou |
| 19:34.12 | jetscreamer | thou shalt not paste |
| 19:34.16 | simonrvn | and thou shalt kicked booted |
| 19:34.19 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:34.22 | waltz | ? |
| 19:34.26 | RichiH | jetscreamer: by paste, i kinda mean web |
| 19:34.30 | RichiH | but yah |
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| 19:34.46 | simonrvn | s,kicked booted,get booted, |
| 19:34.54 | RichiH | he did :p |
| 19:34.57 | waltz | all I've heard is that debian constantly gets owned |
| 19:35.02 | waltz | I don't really know why this is |
| 19:35.05 | simonrvn | excuse me? |
| 19:35.14 | simonrvn | you heard wrong |
| 19:35.16 | RichiH | waltz: that is not really true |
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| 19:35.23 | abrotman | wols: did you mean to talk german to me ? |
| 19:35.24 | RichiH | we did have two breakins recently, though |
| 19:35.36 | simonrvn | far apart, and unrelated |
| 19:35.38 | waltz | that's what I'm talking about |
| 19:35.40 | RichiH | abrotman: wuerde er niemals wagen |
| 19:35.42 | RichiH | abrotman: ehrlich |
| 19:35.46 | abrotman | ack! |
| 19:35.55 | abrotman | waltz: iirc .. they were weak passwords |
| 19:35.58 | wols | abrotman: aren't you in that southern country with the many mountains and funny accents? |
| 19:36.00 | Pinoycchio | hmm ok guys. back again.. so I apt-get installed the other linux kernel. how can i activate it? |
| 19:36.05 | simonrvn | that's hardly "all the time". get informed before you go spreading FUD |
| 19:36.07 | abrotman | and one was then used to use a local kernel exploit |
| 19:36.11 | RichiH | abrotman: one was old cms |
| 19:36.18 | buggarage | i wouldn't bet on that though :) *g* |
| 19:36.20 | abrotman | wols: west virginia ? |
| 19:36.23 | wols | RichiH: I needed a different channel than debian |
| 19:36.27 | RichiH | and they apparently want to limit what people may run on these boxen |
| 19:36.35 | wols | didn't know you're an evil merkin |
| 19:36.46 | simonrvn | they already do. this is the buildds we're talking about |
| 19:37.08 | RichiH | wols: ? |
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| 19:37.56 | wols | RichiH: abrotman |
| 19:37.56 | simonrvn | thankfully. they were getting old |
| 19:38.04 | RichiH | simonrvn: hehe |
| 19:38.08 | simonrvn | s,getting,, |
| 19:38.09 | abrotman | wols: i am? |
| 19:38.13 | simonrvn | *grin* |
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| 19:38.19 | abrotman | wols: i'm not from WV .. i'm from philly-ish |
| 19:38.27 | RichiH | simonrvn: i have no idea what you are talking about so here is apicture of a bunny with a pancake on its head |
| 19:38.31 | wols | abrotman: merkinland is big |
| 19:38.43 | abrotman | aye it is |
| 19:39.07 | RichiH | simonrvn: you get that, i hope |
| 19:41.09 | simonrvn | no i don't. i'm sheltered. |
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| 19:41.26 | abrotman | i thought dpkg had that picture |
| 19:41.31 | simonrvn | aka, i don't get out much |
| 19:41.35 | abrotman | i get the joke .. but i thought that dpkg had a reference |
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| 19:41.41 | simonrvn | ooooh *ding* |
| 19:41.59 | abrotman | simonrvn: http://images.google.com/images?q=bunny+pancake&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title |
| 19:42.15 | buggarage | http://images.google.com/images?q=bunny+pancake&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title |
| 19:42.28 | abrotman | simonrvn: http://www.flcpa.org/images/bunny-pancake.jpg |
| 19:42.31 | jetscreamer | hey what font is this, it's the only one i seem to not have: Name[dz]=ཊར་མི་ནཱལ་ |
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| 19:43.16 | Pinoycchio | how can I display what debian version is installed? |
| 19:43.27 | Feax | how can I have a list of the users ? |
| 19:43.30 | jetscreamer | cat /etc/debian_version iirc |
| 19:43.34 | simonrvn | quote from one site: "Well, no. Our house bunny, a mixed Havana named Socks, would eat the pancake." |
| 19:43.37 | abrotman | !version |
| 19:43.37 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 19:44.11 | edju | Installed Debian stable a few weeks ago - still getting accustomed. Use KDE, although gnome is installed. Looking for daap, but in order to install. say, banshee, apt-get says kde will be uninstalled. Does that make sense? |
| 19:44.17 | simonrvn | and no, it's something else i was thinking about |
| 19:44.19 | Pinoycchio | thx jetscreamer |
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| 19:44.25 | abrotman | kde is a metapackage |
| 19:44.30 | jetscreamer | kde is a mets... nm |
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| 19:45.03 | Xenguy | Feax: check /etc/password or /etc/group is one way... or just ls /home :-) |
| 19:45.12 | edju | Well, does that mean I lose KDE id I install banshee? |
| 19:45.15 | jeffde | anyone running fontconfig with bytecode intepreter enabled? Does it make a dramatic difference vs the autohinter? |
| 19:45.15 | simonrvn | edju: yeh, ignore that. only when you see like 20+ packages getting removed should you worry ;) |
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| 19:45.24 | jetscreamer | ls /home would work in 'most' cases |
| 19:45.38 | simonrvn | getent passwd |
| 19:46.01 | tuliobRA | kernel menuconfig is asking for a config file, where is the currently kernel config file? 2.4.x .. |
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| 19:46.07 | tuliobRA | debian 3.1r1 |
| 19:46.19 | wols | tuliobRA: /boot |
| 19:46.22 | simonrvn | ^^ works anywhere, if the admin set it up right |
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| 19:46.39 | weissi | tuliobRA, /boot/config-2.?.* |
| 19:46.42 | jetscreamer | wtfFontIsIt!!! |
| 19:46.47 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 19:47.11 | infernixx | is there any way to force the kernel to reinitialize the IDE driver so that the partition table is re-read? I know it can be done with a reboot, but is there no other way? |
| 19:47.22 | edju | simonrvn, OK. But it also wants to uninstall juk - why can't two music packages co-exist? |
| 19:47.23 | Pinoycchio | hey wols, i apt-get installed the kernel u suggested.. but how do i activate it? |
| 19:47.32 | niles | !u |
| 19:47.33 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:47.34 | jetscreamer | you restart your box usually |
| 19:47.35 | wols | Pinoycchio: reboot |
| 19:47.42 | Pinoycchio | already did |
| 19:47.44 | simonrvn | edju: i don't know, see the deps (apt-cache show foo) |
| 19:47.50 | dogmeat | infernixx: rmmod, insmod |
| 19:47.57 | infernixx | i've a soft raid 1 and my primary hd broke (hda); i've a spare hd on hdd. |
| 19:47.58 | wols | then you haven't installed it. it will show up in your menu.lst, the boot menu |
| 19:48.04 | simonrvn | edju: it's not because they're music packages, it's because of the deps |
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| 19:48.09 | infernixx | dogmeat: thats not possible, the raid is in use. |
| 19:48.16 | simonrvn | !insmod |
| 19:48.16 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
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| 19:48.36 | Pinoycchio | hmm where do i finde the menu.lst wols? |
| 19:48.41 | dogmeat | !rmmod |
| 19:48.41 | dpkg | it has been said that rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' instead |
| 19:48.47 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.00 | Pinoycchio | thx |
| 19:49.13 | edju | simonrvn, OK - thanks. |
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| 19:49.27 | multi_io | any hints on my problem aith aptitude? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4257 |
| 19:49.33 | multi_io | *with |
| 19:50.04 | itchi | Why not make use of rmmod? |
| 19:50.11 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 19:50.42 | Mooi | o_O |
| 19:51.01 | simonrvn | multi_io: so find out what's cuasing the hold up |
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| 19:51.36 | itchi | simonrvn: Not find anything related to it |
| 19:51.49 | Charminthemoose | why can't i record videos of video playback with xvidcap? |
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| 19:52.11 | simonrvn | afaict, something is holding them back. find out. and make sure your you aren't mixing stable and testing or unstable or something dumb like that |
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| 19:52.40 | jetscreamer | btw it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzongkha |
| 19:52.44 | jetscreamer | the font |
| 19:52.47 | jetscreamer | dz |
| 19:52.59 | tonyb_evil2test | remember me...tonyb |
| 19:53.04 | robin_sz | nope |
| 19:53.11 | jetscreamer | !find dzongkha |
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| 19:53.34 | multi_io | simonrvn: the hold in that aptitude doesn't end up doing what it immediately before said it was going to do? |
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| 19:54.16 | multi_io | where should I look? |
| 19:54.30 | simonrvn | no. you're looking at it from the wrong end. look at it from the pov of package deps. "what is causing this?" "how can i fix it" |
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| 19:54.44 | jetscreamer | ttf-dzongkha |
| 19:54.46 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 19:55.01 | Caelum | anyone know how to change which button combination emulates the third button in X? |
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| 19:55.45 | simonrvn | it's in the section where emulate3buttons lives. the default debian "4 5" sets it |
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| 19:56.05 | jetscreamer | what exactly IS gnustep |
| 19:56.16 | Caelum | I have a synaptics touchpad, and it has the "up and down" buttons between the left and right ones, and in windows they work like the middle button |
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| 19:56.54 | multi_io | simonrvn: I don't just want to install that package, I want to find out why aptitude does what it's doing |
| 19:56.54 | simonrvn | eh, you lost me. i'm visual |
| 19:56.55 | Caelum | jetscreamer: a postscript display library that emulates NextStep |
| 19:57.05 | simonrvn | multi_io: yes |
| 19:57.25 | jetscreamer | Caelum: thanks. (even though i barely understand :) ) |
| 19:57.32 | jetscreamer | but i don't want to! |
| 19:57.41 | multi_io | simonrvn: I can install the package with e.g. "apt-get install xfce4-panel-dev", but then I still wouldn't know what aptitude's problem is |
| 19:57.45 | simonrvn | you remove it, or put it on hold, or do whatever else to get things working |
| 19:57.57 | jetscreamer | add cr to aptitude |
| 19:57.59 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 19:58.07 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god! |
| 19:58.13 | Caelum | 3G is painfully fucking slow, I can't even run a screen session over ssh at reasonable speed |
| 19:58.20 | Daveman | haha |
| 19:58.30 | Daveman | it's not bad |
| 19:58.36 | multi_io | simonrvn: you're basically saying that you don't know either how aptitude works, correct? :-P |
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| 19:59.07 | simonrvn | i how exactly how it works. it's for you to figure out ;). i don't have enough info to help you properly |
| 19:59.42 | simonrvn | btw, my typing sucks today. i think one thing, and something else comes out |
| 20:00.05 | Caelum | what numbers are the wheel up and down keys in X? |
| 20:00.08 | pumpkin0 | problem with compiz (yes, shoot me, i´m running compiz in etch): same programms do not work. xterm come up blank, xchat stops displaying new stuff. Any ideas/pointers ? |
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| 20:00.32 | abrotman | pumpkin0: ask the people that wrote it |
| 20:00.35 | simonrvn | Caelum: should be in man X or man xorg.conf |
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| 20:00.50 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: where do i find them ? |
| 20:00.52 | simonrvn | kill compiz |
| 20:01.15 | abrotman | pumpkin0: probably in the README that was supplied with the source .. compiz isn't in debian yet |
| 20:01.33 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 20:01.35 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: compiz is in sid and installs and runs in etch. |
| 20:02.20 | abrotman | then check the bts |
| 20:02.20 | Caelum | simonrvn: xev shows button 1 for up and 8 for down, which means I probably messed something up |
| 20:02.40 | simonrvn | sounds like it. you can play and figure it out with xmodmap |
| 20:02.52 | Caelum | hmm |
| 20:02.55 | silly_girl22 | does a apt-get dist-upgrade take you from sarge to etch or etch to sid? |
| 20:03.01 | rototo | could someone give me a clue of why this is happening: ssh -fw 0:0 anSSHhost true got "channel 1: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed" |
| 20:03.04 | simonrvn | xmodmap -e pointer "x x x x x" |
| 20:03.04 | jetscreamer | compiz isn't in etch because it doesn't play well with arm is what grav said, iirc |
| 20:03.13 | _fjh_ | Hi, where do I specify kernel module parameters, do make them permanent? /etc/modules.conf, /etc/modprobe.d, /etc/modutils ? |
| 20:03.14 | jetscreamer | silly_girl22: neither |
| 20:03.21 | jetscreamer | unless you change the sources.list |
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| 20:03.29 | jetscreamer | then it does whatever you told it to |
| 20:03.38 | Caelum | silly_girl22: from anything to anything pretty much |
| 20:03.53 | Caelum | silly_girl22: although you might run into some problems |
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| 20:03.55 | simonrvn | _fjh_: you can stick the params beside the module name in /etc/modules |
| 20:03.57 | multi_io | simonrvn: if you "know exactly" how aptitude works, I'm sure you can tell me how it can be that aptitude says it's going to install this-and-that package, and then goes on and doesn't, without displaying any error message... |
| 20:04.08 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 20:04.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
| 20:04.27 | infernixx | i've a system that used to be devfs. it's sarge now, with udev, but the /dev/.static/dev/ still contains devfs-style devices. is there a way to re-create that, so that I lose the devfs symlinks udev is using now? |
| 20:04.29 | jetscreamer | if you hate dselect you are a lemming! |
| 20:04.30 | Caelum | there was no apt in slink :) |
| 20:04.32 | rk | i just accidentally issued dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 on a system of mine. can i revert that? i have a backup of the drive...maybe by dd'ing from the backup to an image then dd'ing that image to the drive i just munged? |
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| 20:04.43 | multi_io | for starters, this behaviour seems to be in clear contradiction to http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s02s05.html |
| 20:05.07 | Caelum | rk: you could just reinstall grub I think, but getting a backup would be better |
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| 20:05.29 | niles | is it possible to bind a speciffic service to a particular nic card ? |
| 20:05.33 | jetscreamer | is the first 512 the fat or just the mbr |
| 20:05.41 | _fjh_ | simonrvn: thanks |
| 20:05.45 | niles | or IP address rather. |
| 20:05.46 | adrenaline | hey guys I apt-get remove gdm then when I reboot it is back is it supposed to do that? |
| 20:05.48 | rk | so it is possible to recover that way? |
| 20:05.51 | jetscreamer | the fat and the mbr i men |
| 20:05.53 | xingu | rk: hda,0-512B is the boot sector; no harm - as Caelum says, just reinstall your mbr |
| 20:05.55 | rk | by mounting the other harddrive |
| 20:05.56 | jetscreamer | or just the mbr |
| 20:05.58 | jetscreamer | ah ok |
| 20:06.00 | h3sp4wn | niles: Depends on the service but usually yes |
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| 20:06.18 | multi_io | jetscreamer: from my experience, dselect is just another package manager about which nobody knows exactly what it's doing |
| 20:06.19 | xingu | rk: if it were hda1 it would be a bit more serious but as-is no real harm done |
| 20:06.21 | rk | then dd'ing the 512 from it to an img then using the image and dd'ing it over to the munged drive. i haven't rebooted the stupid mistake i just made...if i do it's all over. |
| 20:06.28 | adrenaline | anybody else have problems with nvidia drivers in debian? |
| 20:06.33 | simonrvn | multi_io: first, i have to start from the ground up. you don't build a house in the air without stilts. did you change your aptitude settings in any way? do F10, then select Miscellaneous, then do "[X] Automatically upgrade installed packages" |
| 20:06.43 | niles | h3sp4wn: is such a task dependant on the service? such as configuring it's .conf file ? |
| 20:06.44 | jetscreamer | multi_io: i have never had any problem being able to tell about dselect is all i know |
| 20:06.44 | simonrvn | multi_io: it's off by default for some dumb reason |
| 20:06.52 | rk | ok great news. =) |
| 20:06.54 | h3sp4wn | niles: usually yes |
| 20:07.02 | niles | ok. |
| 20:07.05 | simonrvn | multi_io: second, did you mangle your sources.list in any way? |
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| 20:07.20 | streuner_ | adrenaline: talking about which nivida drivers? |
| 20:07.31 | adrenaline | video drivers |
| 20:07.47 | simonrvn | multi_io: third, did you try to install some debs manually without looking at the deps? 4. what were you doing to have this happen? |
| 20:07.48 | adrenaline | I got out of x and it tellsme something aobut the kernel |
| 20:07.52 | adrenaline | then fails |
| 20:07.57 | h3sp4wn | niles: (for example for openvpn you would put ´local 192.168.1.2´ in server.conf |
| 20:08.00 | JKnecht | is there a debian equivalent of yum? |
| 20:08.02 | rk | gonna try to recover using the hot mirror |
| 20:08.11 | streuner_ | adrenaline: there are free drivers (nv), nvidia (packaged in debian), and those driver which coming from there website |
| 20:08.12 | wols | apt-get or better aptitude |
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| 20:08.23 | adrenaline | which website? |
| 20:08.25 | simonrvn | instead of blaming others for your problems, looks at what *you* did, first |
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| 20:08.45 | jetscreamer | cr.....aptitude |
| 20:08.54 | jetscreamer | j/k i'm sure it works just fine... |
| 20:08.58 | streuner_ | adrenaline: so which drivers are you using? |
| 20:09.07 | simonrvn | it does. i got fed up with dselect |
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| 20:09.13 | adrenaline | the ones for linux on nvidia website |
| 20:09.21 | streuner_ | here we go |
| 20:09.35 | unlink | i justinstalled debian etch on my thinkpad t60 and my console is flooded with the message "azx_get_response timeout" (it's printed 4hz) |
| 20:09.38 | streuner_ | those aren't supported here, because they aren't in debian |
| 20:09.38 | JKnecht | Thx! |
| 20:09.42 | jetscreamer | apt-get install pkg-config linux-headers-`uname -r` then rerun the .run |
| 20:09.49 | simonrvn | i'm sure dselect runs fine, i still use it in a cronjob or two ;) |
| 20:09.54 | adrenaline | streuner, where do I get the ones that work? |
| 20:09.58 | jetscreamer | ^^ nvidia how-to |
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| 20:10.05 | unlink | 2 or 4 hz |
| 20:10.08 | xingu | unlink: azx is intel-hda sound; try 2.6.18.1 kernel |
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| 20:10.12 | Feax | Is it normal I don't use any swap ? ^^ |
| 20:10.14 | streuner_ | adrenaline: just try 'nv' |
| 20:10.27 | adrenaline | oh you mean I already have them installed? |
| 20:10.29 | wols | if you have enough real RAM: yes |
| 20:10.32 | streuner_ | !drxx adrenaline |
| 20:10.32 | dpkg | adrenaline: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:10.35 | Feax | ok wols |
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| 20:10.52 | streuner_ | adrenaline: sure, what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:10.52 | jetscreamer | now for the trick question: is drxx fixed in etch yet |
| 20:11.04 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 20:11.04 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:11.09 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 20:11.15 | jetscreamer | he said he fixed it but did it make it to etch yet |
| 20:11.28 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 20:11.29 | adrenaline | animal:/etc# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:11.29 | adrenaline | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 20:11.33 | g00se | wols: The point is uklinux *will* relay if exim4 authenticates to it. The question is - why isn't it doing so? |
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| 20:11.44 | _fjh_ | simonrvn: If I put kernel module parameters in /etc/modules, should modprobe use them automatically, if I add modules from the cmd line? |
| 20:11.50 | streuner_ | adrenaline: you might want switch to xorg then |
| 20:12.02 | adrenaline | how do i do that? |
| 20:12.05 | jetscreamer | me neither... i don't usually even use it anymore i have had a working xorg/xfree.conf for a while |
| 20:12.13 | streuner_ | adrenaline: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 20:12.43 | xingu | _fjh_: no; you need /etc/modprobe.d file |
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| 20:13.12 | xingu | _fjh_: look at some of the existing ones in there for syntax, it's pretty straightforward |
| 20:13.18 | simonrvn | _fjh_: should. CLI you just do the same, put the params after the name |
| 20:13.29 | streuner_ | adrenaline: what kind of videocard do you have, btw? |
| 20:13.36 | adrenaline | fx5200 |
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| 20:13.42 | streuner_ | adrenaline: hm |
| 20:13.50 | multi_io | simonrvn: thanks, I'm trying that option ("Automatically upgrade...") now. Even though I'm not sure I ultimately want it :) |
| 20:13.54 | NiCeBoY | hi anyone can tell me how i can run sendmail plz? |
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| 20:14.07 | NiCeBoY | stew : can u help me on how to run sendmail plz? |
| 20:14.09 | xingu | NiCeBoY: buy the bat book |
| 20:14.10 | adrenaline | I looked in XFR86Config and it looks like it is already using the nv drivers |
| 20:14.13 | abrotman | NiCeBoY: you don't want to |
| 20:14.16 | adrenaline | crap |
| 20:14.19 | streuner_ | 00:0c.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 20:14.19 | jetscreamer | quit being so damn nice |
| 20:14.23 | simonrvn | multi_io: no no, automatically select them for upgrade. it'll do it only if you want it to happen |
| 20:14.23 | xingu | NiCeBoY: this is not a five minute conversation, it's a career |
| 20:14.33 | jetscreamer | !renice NiCeBoY |
| 20:14.34 | NiCeBoY | xingu no its already installed |
| 20:14.37 | NiCeBoY | but should run it |
| 20:14.39 | _fjh_ | simonrvn, it does not seem to do it. It ignores /etc/modules.conf too. |
| 20:14.40 | simonrvn | multi_io: it's the default behaviour for dselect |
| 20:14.41 | streuner_ | adrenaline: FX 5200 is well supported by xorg (nv) |
| 20:14.41 | jetscreamer | dang |
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| 20:15.01 | adrenaline | damn I can't get better than 1024x768 |
| 20:15.05 | jetscreamer | if well-supported==no3d then done |
| 20:15.32 | adrenaline | streuner, how can I switch to xorg and why hasn't debian done that yet? |
| 20:15.34 | multi_io | simonrvn: yeah, it is. So you basically have to set lots of packages to "hold" unless you're using stable, right? |
| 20:15.39 | simonrvn | i'd use the free one if it did do 3d. damn i hate using binary shite |
| 20:15.40 | jetscreamer | adrenaline: usually that's a function of the x&h refresh rates iirc |
| 20:15.44 | xingu | NiCeBoY: that's roughly equivalent to saying "my car's engine comes on when I turn the key, please explain automotive design"; seriously, if you want to know sendmail, buy the bat book. |
| 20:15.45 | jetscreamer | and the modes |
| 20:15.48 | simonrvn | multi_io: no |
| 20:15.53 | multi_io | (if you don'T wnt to install dozens of megabytes every few days) |
| 20:15.55 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 20:15.56 | dpkg | it has been said that hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 20:16.03 | NiCeBoY | ok thx |
| 20:16.06 | streuner_ | adrenaline: sarge/stable just ship xfree86, but you can use xorg as well, just /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:16.09 | simonrvn | multi_io: you running sid or something? |
| 20:16.11 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:16.11 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:16.26 | simonrvn | multi_io: you just don't run it. or remove the option. |
| 20:16.52 | simonrvn | !popcorn |
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| 20:17.32 | adrenaline | streuner, I did that and it errored out forgive me I am a n00b to debian |
| 20:17.37 | multi_io | simonrvn: I have testing and unstable in my sources.list, with testing pinned to 980 |
| 20:17.55 | multi_io | (i.e. testing should be preferred) |
| 20:18.02 | streuner_ | adrenaline: so xorg is installed? |
| 20:18.09 | adrenaline | I don't think so |
| 20:18.11 | _fjh_ | xingu: /etc/modprobe.d works! My kernel module has now the correct parameters. |
| 20:18.16 | simonrvn | ok, so you didn't do something dumb. although that can very easily cause issues. testing and unstable don't mix very well either. |
| 20:18.21 | adrenaline | I don't see it |
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| 20:18.56 | streuner_ | So what stops you to read /msg dpkg backports and install xorg? |
| 20:19.06 | simonrvn | multi_io: yes, but even with the pinning, those 2 mixed will cause problems |
| 20:19.24 | simonrvn | laziness is usually the reason ;p |
| 20:19.55 | wols | g00se: cause usually smtp-auth and smtpd-auth are different things |
| 20:20.04 | streuner_ | Iam not sure about this case :-P |
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| 20:20.49 | multi_io | simonrvn: I can live with that if I had a package manager at my disposal that I could really wrap my brain around :) |
| 20:21.14 | multi_io | (as in: really understand what the hell it is doing internally) |
| 20:21.25 | simonrvn | aptitude still has a fairly steep learning curve. though once you do, it works nicely. |
| 20:21.57 | simonrvn | best way to find out is man aptitude, or the guide |
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| 20:23.01 | adrenaline | animal:/etc/X11# /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:23.01 | adrenaline | -su: /msg: No such file or directory |
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| 20:23.11 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 20:23.17 | abrotman | tard |
| 20:23.23 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:23.25 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:23.36 | jetscreamer | !tell adrenaline -about backports |
| 20:23.37 | simonrvn | in your irc client, silly :) |
| 20:23.38 | streuner_ | lots of people gave up for debian, cause dselect was in the past hard to use, *THAT* was the reason some people created other frontends... |
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| 20:23.51 | simonrvn | indeed |
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| 20:24.14 | jetscreamer | the only thing i see 'hard' to use about debian is the listing of packages |
| 20:24.24 | jetscreamer | if it had a nice expandable/collapsible tree now... |
| 20:24.29 | jetscreamer | that would rock |
| 20:24.35 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: aptitude does that |
| 20:24.43 | dvs | streuner: pressing ENTER a couple of times for an upgrade is hard? |
| 20:24.58 | NiCeBoY | !paster |
| 20:24.58 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 20:25.20 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: i personally like kpackage very much, but nowadays you have to use KDE then |
| 20:25.34 | jetscreamer | yeah but i have scientifically proven (guerin was a witness even though he doesn't remember) that dselect will resolve dependency hell when apt-get -f and aptitude can not |
| 20:25.39 | adrenaline | what is the name of xorg in apt-get? |
| 20:25.40 | blondie | apt-get does me fine :) |
| 20:25.49 | jetscreamer | adrenaline: it's called xorg |
| 20:25.54 | jetscreamer | weird eh |
| 20:25.59 | jetscreamer | also new |
| 20:26.08 | adrenaline | cool but it must not be in my repo |
| 20:26.09 | jetscreamer | the metapacage is now called xorg |
| 20:26.16 | jetscreamer | err metapackage |
| 20:26.30 | streuner_ | adrenaline: just run 'apt-get update and apt-get upgrade after you add backports line into your sources.list |
| 20:26.31 | jetscreamer | that would be etch though |
| 20:26.35 | jetscreamer | not backports |
| 20:26.41 | multi_io | you know, apt-get -f is even officially documented to be undocumented. How about that! |
| 20:26.53 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 20:27.00 | jetscreamer | !win apt-get |
| 20:27.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, apt-get! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 20:27.13 | NiCeBoY | xingu this is the problem am geeting :http://channels.debian.net/paste/4260 |
| 20:27.15 | dvs | $10! awesome! |
| 20:27.24 | adrenaline | I think this is getting over my head streuner |
| 20:27.33 | jetscreamer | i prefer a bank error in my favor |
| 20:27.39 | wols | dvs: the standard amount is $200 |
| 20:27.46 | jetscreamer | no |
| 20:27.55 | jetscreamer | you don't play monopoly do you :) |
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| 20:28.05 | wols | I do. and in our version it's 200 :) |
| 20:28.18 | dvs | wols: If you pass GO. |
| 20:28.22 | jetscreamer | the bank error is 200 the beauty prize is 10 |
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| 20:28.29 | jetscreamer | at least on every one i've played |
| 20:28.36 | wols | bank error is somewhere in the vicinity of 2k |
| 20:28.47 | wols | what's the highest note in your monopoly? |
| 20:28.54 | adrenaline | is back ports an apt-get replacement? |
| 20:28.56 | dr_wut | anyone have any idea why my connection is incredibly slow today? |
| 20:28.57 | jetscreamer | of course i haven't played the inflationary monopoly |
| 20:29.10 | jetscreamer | no it's a back port of upstream sources for sarge |
| 20:29.12 | wols | adrenaline: read backports.org and you will know more |
| 20:29.15 | wols | no it's not a replacement |
| 20:29.28 | jetscreamer | 500 was the highest bill last time i played |
| 20:29.47 | wols | 10000 is the highest here. and has been for years |
| 20:29.54 | jetscreamer | zomg! |
| 20:29.54 | dvs | o_O |
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| 20:30.11 | jetscreamer | that's inflation for you |
| 20:30.11 | wols | 20 is lowest btw |
| 20:30.21 | dvs | o_O x 2 |
| 20:30.22 | jetscreamer | yeah sounds about right |
| 20:30.28 | wols | how much to pay for buying a rail station? |
| 20:30.34 | jetscreamer | 200 iirc |
| 20:30.35 | dullard | anyone know what package I need to satisfy "ENABLE_GTK_DOC does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL" error in an autogen.sh? |
| 20:30.36 | dvs | wols: $200 |
| 20:30.41 | wols | 4000 here |
| 20:30.45 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 20:30.46 | wols | it's x 20 |
| 20:31.05 | jetscreamer | yeah it kinda mirrors real world inflation eh |
| 20:31.19 | jetscreamer | 20 bucks nowadays is about 1 buck when i was a kid |
| 20:31.20 | weissi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29 |
| 20:31.23 | wols | well, it's paper money, fiat money, toy money :) |
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| 20:32.18 | wols | damn. you people don't have an opera place. no goethe street |
| 20:32.24 | wols | you really are deprived! |
| 20:32.35 | dvs | weissi: The standard american game board layout looks right but the picture is different |
| 20:33.14 | weissi | dvs: the picture shows a brand new german version |
| 20:33.22 | jetscreamer | omg the bills! |
| 20:33.37 | weissi | dvs: (my ~10years old german version is similar: money from 20-10k) |
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| 20:34.06 | jetscreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29#Atlantic_City_version |
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| 20:34.24 | jetscreamer | that's the oldschool version i'm used to |
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| 20:34.52 | dvs | jetscreamer: same here |
| 20:35.08 | jetscreamer | of course that was like 30 years ago i guess :/ |
| 20:35.14 | tuliobRA | i'm having problem with deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ woody module-init-tools initrd-tools procps |
| 20:35.23 | jetscreamer | woody??? |
| 20:35.27 | jetscreamer | wtf! |
| 20:35.45 | jetscreamer | you don't want woody i don't think |
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| 20:35.51 | jetscreamer | woody is pre-sarge |
| 20:35.58 | tuliobRA | how to set it corretly |
| 20:35.59 | tuliobRA | =p |
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| 20:36.03 | davix | cheers, I have two ethernet cards, one is on a pci slot and one is a built in on the mother board, the built in does not recognise itself automaticly but the pci card does, how can I add the built in card as well? |
| 20:36.07 | jetscreamer | change the word woody maybe |
| 20:36.07 | azeem | tuliobRA: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:36.15 | tuliobRA | update debian kernel |
| 20:36.23 | tuliobRA | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/kernel2.6.htm it says here |
| 20:36.23 | dvs | davix: lspci | grep -i eth |
| 20:36.37 | azeem | tuliobRA: read the instructions at www.backports.org |
| 20:36.50 | weissi | davix, have you loaded the correct modules (and enabled the built-in one in BIOS)? |
| 20:36.52 | davix | i get only one line |
| 20:36.55 | jetscreamer | woody is oldstable, btw |
| 20:37.04 | davix | 0000:02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 20:37.10 | tuliobRA | azeem thank you |
| 20:37.20 | davix | the built in is enabled (rather has no option of disabling via bios) |
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| 20:37.27 | dvs | davix: There should be two if you have a PCI and onboard version |
| 20:37.38 | davix | I know :\ |
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| 20:37.47 | wols | davix: what kind of card is the built in one and what kernel do you run? |
| 20:37.52 | davix | if it dosent recognise it must be a hardware issue? |
| 20:38.07 | davix | 2.6.15-27-386 #1 PREEMPT |
| 20:38.08 | dvs | wols: I assume his PCI one is the one he can see |
| 20:38.12 | weissi | davix, try `sudo update-pciids` and the lspci | grep -i eth once more |
| 20:38.14 | davix | idk as for the make of my build in card |
| 20:38.26 | wols | davix: and what debian version? |
| 20:38.42 | x_link | Hi... can somebody tell me how to make xmms the default player in KDE ? |
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| 20:38.47 | davix | ubuntu actually, but no one seems to know how to do things over there :) |
| 20:38.57 | wols | ew don't know either |
| 20:39.05 | wols | use #ubuntu |
| 20:39.15 | plutonas | davix: why don't you install debian and come here to ask? |
| 20:39.23 | dvs | !plutonas++ |
| 20:39.51 | azeem | davix: is the Realtek the built in or the PCI? |
| 20:39.58 | davix | realtek is the pci azeem |
| 20:40.00 | azeem | davix: what does lspci say about the other? |
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| 20:40.13 | wols | azeem: never ever seen a built in realtek. only the PHY often is |
| 20:40.24 | x_link | Anybody ? |
| 20:40.31 | davix | erm, I updated the pciids |
| 20:40.33 | davix | still one line |
| 20:40.37 | davix | or does it require reboot? |
| 20:40.42 | weissi | davix, no |
| 20:40.50 | azeem | davix: so you're saying lspci doesn't know about your second NIC? |
| 20:41.02 | davix | it rudely ignores it azeem |
| 20:41.03 | weissi | davix, it just updates /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
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| 20:41.10 | azeem | and there's no other Ethernet controller: Unknown or something? |
| 20:41.14 | davix | nope |
| 20:41.23 | azeem | davix: your last bet is to paste the output of lscpi to a pastebin |
| 20:41.23 | davix | grep -i eth spits only one line out |
| 20:41.27 | dvs | davix: Then it's dead, Jim |
| 20:41.30 | davix | :) |
| 20:41.31 | porkpie | guy's how can you check what module are in the initrd |
| 20:41.34 | davix | azeem, one second |
| 20:41.41 | azeem | davix: but it seems you don't have a second NIC as far as GNU/Linux is concerned |
| 20:41.52 | george_ | so your "other controller" may be disabled in the bios or something? or, worse, bad. |
| 20:42.16 | davix | actually it might be fubar |
| 20:42.18 | x_link | Sorry, but can somebody tell me how to make xmms the default player ? |
| 20:42.19 | george_ | porkpie: mount it and poke around |
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| 20:42.26 | davix | but it isnt disabled |
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| 20:42.33 | azeem | x_link: apparently not, no use in repeating the question all the time |
| 20:42.45 | azeem | davix: well, we can't help you further |
| 20:42.50 | tuliobRA | !grub |
| 20:42.50 | dpkg | [grub] the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
| 20:42.59 | jetscreamer | porkpie: most anything marked M in /boot/config-`uanme -r` |
| 20:43.04 | jetscreamer | i think |
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| 20:43.14 | george_ | x_link: what application is to consider xmms default? |
| 20:43.43 | x_link | george_: What do you mean ? |
| 20:43.58 | davix | azeem, this is lspci http://pastebin.ca/226768 |
| 20:44.06 | davix | can you gather any further info from ther? |
| 20:44.07 | tuliobRA | where can i find grub's config file? |
| 20:44.08 | davix | I couldn't |
| 20:44.12 | x_link | brb |
| 20:44.13 | jetscreamer | no grub is not recommended for XFS, not jfs |
| 20:44.26 | george_ | x_link: for something to be considered "foo", you need something to consider it to be "foo" |
| 20:44.30 | jetscreamer | works fine for jfs btw |
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| 20:45.04 | weissi | davix, what's the name of your mobo? |
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| 20:45.13 | jetscreamer | george_: update-alternatives? |
| 20:45.16 | davix | mobo? |
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| 20:45.20 | jetscreamer | aka /etc/alternatives ? |
| 20:45.20 | george_ | or something :) |
| 20:45.24 | jetscreamer | motherboard |
| 20:45.25 | weissi | davix, motherboard, mainboard |
| 20:45.28 | tuliobRA | where is the grub config file ? |
| 20:45.36 | jetscreamer | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:45.41 | george_ | usually there |
| 20:45.46 | jetscreamer | and/or device.map |
| 20:45.46 | tuliobRA | ty |
| 20:45.46 | george_ | but can be anywhere |
| 20:45.58 | azeem | davix: nope |
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| 20:46.31 | davix | weissi, I don't know :\ let me see if it sais somewhere here on the info center |
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| 20:46.53 | azeem | weissi: it's an Intel ICH4 |
| 20:47.19 | weissi | azeem, ah ok :-) |
| 20:47.23 | george_ | jetscreamer: so is that actually what he's looking for? |
| 20:47.39 | tuliobRA | oh god kernel panic |
| 20:47.42 | davix | weissi, nothing, I'll have to crack my box open |
| 20:47.45 | davix | or reset |
| 20:48.04 | davix | i think i'll just buy another pci eth |
| 20:48.08 | davix | or a damn router :\ |
| 20:48.14 | azeem | davix: if you plug a network cable into the mainboard, do the LEDs light up? |
| 20:48.17 | davix | yes |
| 20:48.20 | weissi | davix, azeem knows it: intel ich4 |
| 20:48.33 | davix | there is a lan connection |
| 20:48.44 | davix | it also shows up on the modem as it is connecting |
| 20:48.52 | davix | it is just blocked somewhere on the way to the OS |
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| 20:49.22 | george_ | ok, this os is what? |
| 20:49.25 | george_ | debian? |
| 20:49.31 | davix | ubuntu |
| 20:49.34 | george_ | and the box is to be used as a router? |
| 20:49.46 | davix | somewhat |
| 20:49.53 | davix | just to share an internet connection |
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| 20:49.56 | davix | for my dorm rooms |
| 20:49.59 | davix | for this and my laptop |
| 20:50.06 | davix | room* |
| 20:50.12 | george_ | so also you would use this box for general purposes? |
| 20:50.17 | azeem | well, I don't think we can help you further |
| 20:50.21 | davix | it's my main desktop |
| 20:50.32 | davix | my laptop is windows |
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| 20:50.38 | davix | i almost dont use it |
| 20:50.40 | george_ | are you running ipmasq package? |
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| 20:51.05 | davix | george_, I do not know |
| 20:51.08 | davix | therefore I believe not |
| 20:51.10 | george_ | does your school require you to have a win laptop? |
| 20:51.30 | davix | I have some educational applications on it |
| 20:51.37 | davix | otherwise I would dispense it long ago |
| 20:51.39 | davix | when I got it |
| 20:51.45 | george_ | run this as root and look at the output yourself, then try to answer the following question |
| 20:51.46 | davix | I even dual boot it with lfs :) |
| 20:51.55 | george_ | run this: iptables -L |
| 20:52.08 | george_ | the question is: does it look to you like it |
| 20:52.13 | george_ | 's empty? |
| 20:52.39 | davix | TCPMSS tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp flags:SYN,RST/SYN tcpmss match 1400:1536 TCPMSS clamp to PMTU |
| 20:52.48 | davix | I believe this line was added by pppoeconf |
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| 20:52.55 | davix | It's the only line there |
| 20:53.09 | george_ | so it's not empty... |
| 20:53.14 | davix | not emptey sir. |
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| 20:53.30 | george_ | you probably need to find out what and why |
| 20:53.38 | george_ | look at your routing table: route -n |
| 20:53.50 | george_ | show the default gateway line |
| 20:54.03 | davix | 82.81.181.1 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 20:54.19 | davix | but i know my router is actually 10.0.0.138 (local) |
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| 20:54.40 | azeem | george_: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:54.42 | george_ | what is your IP? |
| 20:54.52 | george_ | gather helpful information :) |
| 20:54.53 | davix | 127.0.0.1 :) |
| 20:54.54 | ttl- | greetings |
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| 20:55.06 | george_ | nono, the address on eth0 |
| 20:55.08 | ttl- | i'm using etch and installed thoggen |
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| 20:55.33 | ttl- | thoggen complains about the gstreamer plugins being to old |
| 20:56.01 | george_ | remove them, install newer (or: install ones known to work with that thing) |
| 20:56.26 | ttl- | it says v0.8.8 < 0.8.10 |
| 20:56.27 | george_ | but before you do that, you probably need to find out if other things need the older ones |
| 20:56.50 | george_ | so you have 088 but it wants 0810? |
| 20:57.05 | davix | george_, whatismyip.com sais 82.81.181.29 |
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| 20:57.12 | ttl- | george_: yes |
| 20:57.33 | davix | omg |
| 20:57.35 | davix | i am stupid |
| 20:57.36 | george_ | davix: how is it you are able to reach whatismyip.com? |
| 20:57.37 | ttl- | george_: it says that the plugins are outdated |
| 20:57.37 | Zap-W | what provides faster transfers between linux and a winxp computer , nfs or samba? |
| 20:57.43 | abrotman | samba probably |
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| 20:57.48 | abrotman | ask google |
| 20:57.51 | davix | george_, I have 2 eth cards |
| 20:57.58 | davix | one of them isn't showing up |
| 20:57.59 | dvs | .....and? |
| 20:57.59 | ttl- | george_: but it are the newest in etch |
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| 20:58.06 | davix | i connect via the other |
| 20:58.22 | george_ | ttl-: so the newest in etch is 088? |
| 20:59.01 | george_ | davix: ok, very good... so does this mean that -your- computer' |
| 20:59.13 | *** part/#debian fadey77 (n=fadey77@91.122.46.232) |
| 20:59.14 | george_ | s IP is 82.81.181.29? |
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| 20:59.18 | davix | yes |
| 20:59.22 | ttl- | george_: yes |
| 20:59.23 | george_ | according to ifconfig? |
| 20:59.28 | doomster | I'm looking for something that automatically mounts a CD, what choices do I have there? |
| 20:59.45 | tarzeau | doomster: supermount (kernel patch) |
| 20:59.48 | davix | george_, inet addr:10.0.0.2 Bcast:10.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0 |
| 20:59.56 | davix | this is my local addr |
| 21:00.01 | george_ | ttl-: ok, you're in a weird situation unfortunately |
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| 21:00.27 | george_ | davix: and what you wish to do is use the second card to route some more IPs around the dorm? |
| 21:00.39 | bono | hello i am bono |
| 21:00.41 | davix | just to route one ip |
| 21:00.43 | bono | the u2 |
| 21:00.47 | davix | local area network |
| 21:00.50 | davix | to my laptop |
| 21:00.54 | azeem | bono: do you have a Debian question? |
| 21:01.06 | davix | the problem isn't with setting up the network, just with identifying the second eth card |
| 21:01.12 | george_ | hello my name is oierorgjoiejroejrgoerjgoejgoerjgoerjioerjgeiojgergoijergiojergjierg... I have simplified my name to make it pronouncable... |
| 21:01.14 | bono | azeem no i havent got |
| 21:01.20 | george_ | and ginger is hot hot! |
| 21:01.23 | ttl- | george_: when installing thoggen aptitude installed gstreamer 0.8.8 to satisfy dependencies |
| 21:01.26 | azeem | bono: then please either leave or watch silently |
| 21:01.27 | bono | yeah |
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| 21:01.38 | Ono | how can i list using modules_ |
| 21:01.39 | Ono | _ |
| 21:01.40 | Ono | ? |
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| 21:01.44 | bono | azeem yes |
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| 21:01.54 | george_ | bonoono? |
| 21:01.56 | doomster | Ono, lsmod? |
| 21:02.02 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom² all |
| 21:02.04 | ttl- | george_: now thoggen says they are to old |
| 21:02.17 | bono | m is hot |
| 21:02.34 | davix | Pom Pom Pom²= Pom Pom Pom Pom |
| 21:02.37 | Ono | doomster, sorry wrong question :( How can i list using devices? |
| 21:02.52 | azeem | davix, george_: please leave random people alone |
| 21:02.54 | wols_ | Ono: do you mean lspci? |
| 21:02.55 | bono | yes |
| 21:03.01 | azeem | foo? |
| 21:03.04 | davix | or (Pom²)² |
| 21:03.17 | ttl- | what can i do to get thoggen working ? |
| 21:03.37 | Ono | ok thanks wols_ |
| 21:03.39 | bono | mmmm |
| 21:03.58 | george_ | ttl-: it's -supposed- to be that apt-get will download the one that works... either there's a bug in the deps OR you're getting a version of this thoggen thing that was built to use too-new modules |
| 21:04.04 | Ono | but my serial device not using |
| 21:04.17 | Ono | i try modprobe lirc_serial |
| 21:04.49 | bono | jaja |
| 21:04.49 | bono | yes |
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| 21:04.49 | Ono | its say device or resource busy |
| 21:04.49 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@190.48.148.36] by azeem |
| 21:04.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 21:04.49 | wols_ | about time |
| 21:04.49 | azeem | bono: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 21:05.08 | wols_ | can't you add infinite minutes for being a liar? |
| 21:05.15 | george_ | so banning is now the only way to silence? |
| 21:05.24 | azeem | george_: huh? |
| 21:05.30 | george_ | you banned him |
| 21:05.40 | azeem | so? |
| 21:05.44 | AfterDeath | he silenced him |
| 21:05.52 | AfterDeath | he didn't ban him |
| 21:05.59 | AfterDeath | rtfd on irc plz |
| 21:06.10 | azeem | I don't think this is worth discussing in here |
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| 21:06.28 | george_ | so... you're using the side-effect of banning that has the effect of silencing him, when a +q would have done the same thing without the ban |
| 21:06.40 | doomster | tarzeau, thanks, though I'd rather stay with a vanilla kernel. ;) |
| 21:06.42 | AfterDeath | azeem: i'll second that motion |
| 21:06.44 | wols_ | george_: freenode ircd handles things a bit differently |
| 21:06.47 | george_ | AfterDeath: it says +b not +q |
| 21:06.50 | wols_ | george_: there is no +q |
| 21:06.56 | tarzeau | doomster: ? |
| 21:07.02 | george_ | oh? when did that happen? |
| 21:07.03 | azeem | george_: OFTC's ircd doesn't support +q and I use this script on both networks |
| 21:07.11 | george_ | oic |
| 21:07.18 | george_ | matter of convenience :) |
| 21:07.23 | AfterDeath | george_: see pm |
| 21:07.25 | wols_ | george_: quite some time ago. |
| 21:07.28 | george_ | ok, I understand now |
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| 21:07.34 | AfterDeath | banning with a % means a quiet |
| 21:07.35 | doomster | tarzeau: in response to supermount. |
| 21:07.36 | wols_ | not convenience. there simply is no +q |
| 21:07.44 | x_link | george_: I just want xmms to be the default player when I want to play music. |
| 21:07.46 | x_link | mp3. |
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| 21:08.12 | george_ | x_link: what's wrong with typing "xmms something.mp3"? |
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| 21:08.40 | AfterDeath | simple, simple concept. what everyone is thinking of as 'quiet', i.e. +q *!*@someip, is done in freenode as +b %*!*@someip |
| 21:08.52 | AfterDeath | notice the % in front of the second mask |
| 21:08.53 | george_ | ok, I didn't realize that |
| 21:09.04 | george_ | it used to be +q |
| 21:09.06 | tuliobRA | need help installing linux-headers-2.6.18.1 |
| 21:09.23 | x_link | george_: I have just installed Debian, so I'm not that very good with commands and such. |
| 21:09.26 | AfterDeath | george_: if you +q someone on freenode, you'll still see it as +b % |
| 21:09.37 | azeem | x_link: so why do you not use the default media player? |
| 21:09.38 | george_ | I see |
| 21:09.51 | tuliobRA | hwo to install http://ftp.jg555.com/headers/linux-headers-2.6.18.1.tar.bz2 ??? |
| 21:09.58 | x_link | Cause I like xmms better azeem |
| 21:10.05 | azeem | x_link: pfft |
| 21:10.17 | azeem | x_link: then read the KDE documentation |
| 21:10.25 | jetscreamer | tuliobRA: you usually just apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 21:10.33 | george_ | x_link: hmm, that's a situation of a different color :) you might want to get more familiar with this debian thing that you've installed :) |
| 21:10.40 | azeem | (or kernel-headers on stable) |
| 21:10.43 | jetscreamer | you would need to tar xvjf that file though |
| 21:10.51 | tuliobRA | i can't find linux-headers-2.6.18.1 on apt-get |
| 21:11.00 | azeem | tuliobRA: why do you need it? |
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| 21:11.07 | jetscreamer | use `uname -r` like i said |
| 21:11.07 | azeem | tuliobRA: what does uname -r say? |
| 21:11.07 | tuliobRA | installing some drivers |
| 21:11.09 | Xorm | dpkg is borked on my box, can I just reinstall it fresh? |
| 21:11.13 | jetscreamer | tuliobRA: you usually just apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 21:11.19 | tuliobRA | 2.6.18.1 |
| 21:11.20 | jetscreamer | ` not ' |
| 21:11.33 | azeem | tuliobRA: did you install that kernel yourself? |
| 21:11.36 | x_link | well |
| 21:11.38 | george_ | x_link: (after all, you're expected to do that. can't just ask question after question without doing SOME of the reading, learning and other research on your own) |
| 21:11.39 | x_link | Thanks for the help |
| 21:11.39 | jetscreamer | backports i think |
| 21:11.58 | george_ | part of that help will be the help you offer to yourself |
| 21:11.59 | tuliobRA | it says couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.18.1 |
| 21:12.06 | x_link | george_: Okey. |
| 21:12.32 | george_ | one thing you might want to do soon,,, is start reading "info bash" |
| 21:12.34 | jetscreamer | you would need to tar xvjf that file to unpack it |
| 21:12.42 | jetscreamer | /join #bash |
| 21:12.43 | tuliobRA | yes, what is next? |
| 21:12.46 | azeem | tuliobRA: 23:02 < azeem> tuliobRA: did you install that kernel yourself? |
| 21:12.51 | jetscreamer | i dunno i don't know what's in there |
| 21:12.52 | tuliobRA | azeem yes |
| 21:12.57 | g00se | >>g00se: cause usually smtp-auth and smtpd-auth are different things |
| 21:12.57 | ttl- | is there another program besides thoggen that can back video dvd that are protected ? |
| 21:12.57 | azeem | tuliobRA: from where? |
| 21:13.01 | george_ | doing this alone will help you SO much |
| 21:13.03 | tuliobRA | kernel.org ? |
| 21:13.07 | g00se | wols: so what do i *do*? |
| 21:13.17 | azeem | tuliobRA: so you will find the headers along with the rest of the source you built from |
| 21:13.18 | jetscreamer | tuliobRA: you compiled it? |
| 21:13.20 | tuliobRA | the kernel is working corretly |
| 21:13.21 | tuliobRA | jetscreamer yes |
| 21:13.25 | ttl- | i tried dvdbackup |
| 21:13.28 | jetscreamer | then man make-kpkg |
| 21:13.28 | tuliobRA | ok let me see |
| 21:13.28 | x_link | george_: Okey. I will search on google. |
| 21:13.29 | azeem | jetscreamer: yes, Debian doesn't have 2.6.18.1 |
| 21:13.36 | jetscreamer | do make-kpkg --targets |
| 21:14.09 | jetscreamer | azeem: i thought it was some weird backport name.. never used backports.org myself |
| 21:14.30 | george_ | x_link: do that too... but also, you're doing: "info bash" and also searching for anything on using bash and scripting in bash... for now, the simpler the better |
| 21:14.46 | jetscreamer | tuliobRA: you create the headers the same way (and/or same time) you compile the kernel |
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| 21:15.25 | george_ | x_link: I'm telling you... if you learn this, you'll be MUCH happier with your new debian thingy |
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| 21:15.49 | jetscreamer | ok horse here's the water wtf you gonna do now? |
| 21:15.52 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 21:15.56 | george_ | (and for those interested... thingy is a technical term :) |
| 21:16.00 | wols_ | g00se: describe your mail setup please |
| 21:16.02 | unlink | how do i get my ipw3945 working on my thinkpad T60? |
| 21:16.03 | dvs | jetscreamer: fish? |
| 21:16.09 | jetscreamer | that's 'highly technical' to you |
| 21:16.12 | psychonate | drown? |
| 21:16.31 | _fjh_ | azeem, is 2.6.18.1 something different that 2.6.18-1? |
| 21:16.38 | wols_ | yes |
| 21:16.43 | streuner_ | unlink: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 21:16.47 | jugglinx | im getting probs with my sources.list, im trying to upgrade to etch but i cant configure the deb-src correctly... |
| 21:16.48 | george_ | jetscreamer: you're discouraging him... it might be cool to ENcourage him :) |
| 21:16.52 | jetscreamer | the .1 would be self compiled |
| 21:16.55 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 21:17.03 | jetscreamer | he has water |
| 21:17.09 | wols_ | no. the .1 would be a different kernel version from kernel.org |
| 21:17.09 | jetscreamer | he can sink or swim |
| 21:17.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:17.25 | jetscreamer | but it's still selfcompiled eh... |
| 21:17.40 | george_ | that's pretty discouraging :P maybe you could think: either he swims, or I hold him up... even just a little |
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| 21:18.02 | george_ | then I let him try to go a little further... see if he sinks |
| 21:18.12 | jetscreamer | george_: yes i know... but sometimes you can handhold too long |
| 21:18.24 | tarzeau | does the mplayer package in debian have mencoder? |
| 21:18.27 | jetscreamer | it's just an os not life or death |
| 21:18.38 | jetscreamer | no tarzeau they are seperated iirc |
| 21:18.45 | jetscreamer | there is also a mencoder package |
| 21:18.51 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: there is? |
| 21:18.56 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 21:18.59 | george_ | well you're the one that added the "sink or swim" metaphor... |
| 21:19.00 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: so we can have mencoder but not lame? |
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| 21:19.07 | keram | hey |
| 21:19.14 | azeem | not in Debian |
| 21:19.16 | jetscreamer | Replaces: mencoder-k6, mencoder-386, mencoder-586, mencoder-custom |
| 21:19.16 | streuner_ | unlink: http://www.kraus.tk/installnotes/T60/ThinkPad-T60.htm |
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| 21:19.21 | keram | when i do aptitude upgrade it says there are like 150 packages that are held back |
| 21:19.26 | keram | is that good or bad? |
| 21:19.26 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.33 | abrotman | !tell keram about dist-upgrade |
| 21:19.38 | jetscreamer | keram: try dist-upgrade |
| 21:19.38 | abrotman | !tell keram about held back |
| 21:19.38 | george_ | keram: probably neither |
| 21:19.40 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:19.49 | jetscreamer | damn you beat me again |
| 21:19.51 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 21:19.56 | george_ | or could have aspects of good and bad |
| 21:19.57 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 21:20.11 | keram | should i dist-upgrade? |
| 21:20.11 | jetscreamer | a rotbot? :) |
| 21:20.12 | george_ | abrotman: botsnack |
| 21:20.15 | Xorm | Bist du superfantastich? |
| 21:20.20 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.22 | jetscreamer | keram: that can be a tricky question |
| 21:20.29 | tarzeau | ugh... it's also for solaris, mac os x and windows |
| 21:20.38 | abrotman | george_: mmm .. thanks! |
| 21:20.47 | keram | the worst it would do is remove some packages i need right? |
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| 21:20.52 | jetscreamer | !botlove abrotman |
| 21:20.54 | keram | couldnt i re install them if needed? |
| 21:21.00 | abrotman | maybe :) |
| 21:21.06 | george_ | abrotman: just don't get spare motor oil on the rug :P |
| 21:21.07 | jetscreamer | damn :( i guess dpkg doesn't love you that way |
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| 21:22.05 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: i 'think' the got split up recently, iirc they were always together in mplayer package |
| 21:22.12 | jetscreamer | s/the/they/ |
| 21:22.19 | george_ | keram: holding back is something the package manager does if it finds it "too hard" or impossible to resolve a dependency situation... OR if you asked it to hold something back |
| 21:22.29 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: ok |
| 21:22.38 | jetscreamer | or if you upgrade and not dist-upgrade |
| 21:23.13 | g00se | wols: exim4, connecting to smtp.uklinux.net , /usr/bin/mail connecting as MUA. I can post links to config files if you need to see them |
| 21:23.21 | jetscreamer | (depending) |
| 21:23.23 | george_ | so upgrade simply upgrades individual packages to their newest version, IF it can without breaking other deps |
| 21:23.37 | george_ | while dist-upgrade tries to be smarter about resolving everything |
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| 21:23.53 | g333k | !nvidia |
| 21:23.54 | dpkg | i heard nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 21:23.57 | dvs | george_: the main difference is that it will not add or remove packages, only upgrade exsiting ones |
| 21:24.11 | george_ | right, that's what I thought |
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| 21:26.58 | g00se | wols: This means AFAIK that i need to use: |
| 21:27.00 | g00se | -rw-r----- 1 root Debian-exim 39 2006-10-28 18:25 /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
| 21:27.06 | monokrome | Grr... Anyone know how to install Debian with a boot floppy |
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| 21:27.17 | monokrome | or more so where an image for a floppy is at? |
| 21:28.10 | dvs | !tell monokrome about floppy |
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| 21:29.19 | aoisora | Excuse Me !! if i want to open 53 port on ip share router . what type can i choose . TCP or UDP or Both |
| 21:29.34 | VIm_Enforcer | LOL |
| 21:29.35 | sepski | aoisora, wont that depend on your needs ? |
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| 21:29.44 | sepski | if you need to open tcp or udp ? :) |
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| 21:29.47 | VIm_Enforcer | !gentoo-smite aoisora |
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| 21:29.57 | VIm_Enforcer | !smite-gentoo aoisora |
| 21:30.03 | VIm_Enforcer | wtf :) |
| 21:30.13 | dvs | !gentoosmite VIm_Enforcer |
| 21:30.23 | VIm_Enforcer | !gentoosmite aoisora |
| 21:30.41 | VIm_Enforcer | Excuse Me !! |
| 21:30.46 | george_ | aww... bad luck, eh? |
| 21:31.10 | VIm_Enforcer | aoisora, UDP is enough for lores jobs like DNS |
| 21:31.45 | VIm_Enforcer | but for stuff like zone transfers you need tcp |
| 21:31.45 | george_ | aoisora: all depends on what you're actually trying to accomplish |
| 21:31.45 | george_ | (as detailed above already) |
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| 21:32.47 | aoisora | Thanks i will try |
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| 21:33.07 | george_ | I'm guessing you'd need two separate rules if you're going to do both... |
| 21:33.12 | g333k | So to install nvidia graphics drivers I have to get the pkgs from Sid? |
| 21:33.19 | george_ | there might be a way of doing both in one rule |
| 21:34.51 | aoisora | i do not zone transfer so i choose udp |
| 21:35.22 | abrotman | no |
| 21:35.23 | monokrome | <dvs> !tell monokrome about floppy |
| 21:35.29 | monokrome | Seems like the bot isn't playing today? |
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| 21:35.46 | abrotman | !floppy |
| 21:35.47 | dpkg | somebody said sarge floppies was http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 If you etch/testing chage "stable" to "etch". |
| 21:35.48 | dvs | !ping |
| 21:35.48 | dpkg | pong |
| 21:36.01 | monokrome | sweet |
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| 21:36.34 | g333k | Hello, To install nvidia graphics drivers I have to get the pkgs from Sid? I use eth |
| 21:36.39 | g333k | etch* |
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| 21:38.54 | Feax | how to uninstall a thing installed with sh file.run ? |
| 21:39.11 | wols_ | you can't |
| 21:39.19 | Feax | really ? |
| 21:39.22 | wols_ | unless you manually delete each file it copies |
| 21:39.25 | wols_ | yes really |
| 21:39.28 | Feax | lol |
| 21:39.36 | Feax | okay :s |
| 21:39.38 | wols_ | there is a reason why dpkg tells you NOT to use the nvidia installer |
| 21:39.48 | Feax | wols_: it is not nvidia installer |
| 21:39.55 | wols_ | then something similar |
| 21:39.59 | Feax | and I have nvidia installed and I have no problems :p |
| 21:40.07 | doomster | A file.run can install anything in any way, without there being a way that Debian could do anything about it. |
| 21:40.18 | Feax | okay |
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| 21:40.46 | Feax | and if in don't install nvidia drivers, what can I install for the 3D acceleration, etc |
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| 21:40.55 | buggarage | heh heh heeeee |
| 21:41.05 | wols_ | why wouldn't you install nvidia drivers? |
| 21:41.09 | wols_ | they're packaged and in debian |
| 21:41.19 | Feax | ôÔ where ? |
| 21:41.41 | anabain | is there any app to change encoding of an html document? (I want to change from utf to iso 8859-15) |
| 21:41.46 | Feax | !info nvidia-glx |
| 21:41.49 | Feax | that wols_ ? |
| 21:41.50 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3216 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 21:41.57 | wols_ | among others |
| 21:42.01 | Feax | among ? |
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| 21:42.45 | wols_ | thereis more package and one |
| 21:42.47 | wols_ | *than |
| 21:42.53 | Feax | wols_: but there is no risk to install nvidia drivers, if I don't want to uninstall it? |
| 21:43.08 | wols_ | ther is a risk that it will/might break when you upgrade |
| 21:43.26 | wols_ | or dist-upgrade |
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| 21:43.59 | Feax | ok wols_ so what is the best package I should install for my nvidia card ? and with xfree86 which entry need I to select ? |
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| 21:50.06 | shay | win 1 |
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| 21:52.41 | livingtm | Im trying to compile a driver that says it requires hotplug. does that mean i cant use it on a system with udev? |
| 21:53.22 | livingtm | oi dont know the difference, other than apt-get says udev replaces hotplug |
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| 22:00.53 | tuliobRA | when i'm logging on sshd, from windows putty, right after i enter with the username, putty closes |
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| 22:03.11 | doomster | tuliobRA, try a different ssh client to figure out who's the problem |
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| 22:08.21 | livingtm | anyone out there have a plextor convertex TV tuner box working wiht Mythtv? |
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| 22:09.35 | tuliobRA | --------------------------- |
| 22:09.36 | tuliobRA | PuTTY Fatal Error |
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| 22:09.39 | tuliobRA | --------------------------- |
| 22:09.40 | sobersabre | hi. I have a problem with printing, system is etch, cupsys is up, hplip too. printer: hpdeskjet3940 |
| 22:09.41 | tuliobRA | Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available |
| 22:09.42 | tuliobRA | --------------------------- |
| 22:09.44 | tuliobRA | OK |
| 22:09.47 | tuliobRA | --------------------------- |
| 22:09.52 | dondelelcaro | tuliobRA: please stop that. |
| 22:09.54 | tuliobRA | oh god sorry |
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| 22:10.06 | tziku | hellom, any posibility to restart a process ? without killing and the ./process. I want to restart from root an user process.. |
| 22:10.06 | unseensoul | hi |
| 22:10.21 | tuliobRA | doomster a used other version of putty and it said: Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available |
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| 22:10.37 | dondelelcaro | tziku: generally not, unless the process understands HUP signals to mean that. |
| 22:10.38 | adrenaline | Hey is there much of a difference between Debian and debian 64? |
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| 22:10.51 | dondelelcaro | tziku: of course, there's nothing stoping you from su'ing to that user. |
| 22:10.59 | tuliobRA | adrenaline debian 64 runs 64 bits? |
| 22:11.01 | adrenaline | or putting 32 bit debian on a 64 bit machine |
| 22:11.07 | adrenaline | ya ya |
| 22:11.08 | dondelelcaro | adrenaline: you mean amd64 |
| 22:11.12 | adrenaline | yes |
| 22:11.35 | dondelelcaro | adrenaline: that's just the amd64 port; it's the same as any other port... the only wierd bit is the sarge port, which is unofficial, and may have slightly different packages. |
| 22:11.35 | livingtm | do all packages have to be compiled specifically for amd64, or is it back compatible to some degree |
| 22:11.45 | adrenaline | I like the 32 bit debian but I have been using other 64 bit os and they suck |
| 22:12.05 | doomster | tuliobRA, I wouldn't necessarily use another putty. Try a local ssh on the Linux box, then e.g. the one that comes with Cygwin |
| 22:12.22 | dondelelcaro | livingtm: they're not really backwards compatible. There has been some work towards multiarch, but it hasn't happened yet. |
| 22:12.56 | adrenaline | slam d is barely faster than centos and 32 bit debian is faster than both of those 64 bit os's |
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| 22:13.24 | rogier | Can somebody recommend me a good debian user forum please ? |
| 22:13.36 | adrenaline | so far haven't been to impressed with the 64 bit stuff yet |
| 22:13.40 | dondelelcaro | 64 bit oses are usually slower than 32 bit ones; the only reason why that's not generally the case in amd64 is because the x86 32 bit instruction set sucks badly |
| 22:14.30 | adrenaline | dondelelcaro, ? |
| 22:15.02 | adrenaline | what if I run my 32 bit debian on my 64 machine will I take a performance hit? |
| 22:15.20 | cusco | !tell rogier about forum |
| 22:15.21 | dondelelcaro | adrenaline: it depends on what you're doing. |
| 22:15.30 | adrenaline | normal computing |
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| 22:15.34 | adrenaline | some coding |
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| 22:16.19 | dondelelcaro | "normal computing" doesn't exist... try one or both; use a chroot if you need to use the other. |
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| 22:16.31 | monokrome | LOL. |
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| 22:16.53 | rogier | cusco, which bot is going to help me with that question now ... ;-) ? |
| 22:17.07 | cusco | dpkg: |
| 22:17.19 | Ono | hi i try to modprobe lirc_serial |
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| 22:17.27 | das_netz | hi |
| 22:17.32 | Ono | i get this error http://channels.debian.net/paste/4261 |
| 22:17.38 | das_netz | i need help |
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| 22:18.01 | rogier | cusco, oh sorry, yes that triggered another tab in xchat. I only now notice. |
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| 22:18.17 | das_netz | its about udev and the ethernet |
| 22:18.44 | das_netz | if i install udev my card ethernet its disable |
| 22:19.05 | das_netz | and if i install hotplug the ethernet card work fine |
| 22:19.19 | das_netz | any body can you help me.. please |
| 22:21.34 | adrenaline | dondelelcaro, not sure what you mean by what kind of computing. |
| 22:21.43 | adrenaline | I code I test I play |
| 22:21.49 | adrenaline | I don't like rpm distros |
| 22:21.57 | adrenaline | I like to open firefox and bang it is open |
| 22:22.09 | adrenaline | 64 bit opens firefox like the p3 days |
| 22:22.29 | adrenaline | my 1600 amd rocks with debian 32 bit |
| 22:22.39 | adrenaline | My 64 bit machine is a slug |
| 22:22.46 | adrenaline | it is a lappy and it sucks |
| 22:23.23 | adrenaline | but it does run 64 bit media edition windows fine but slamd64 and centos 64 slow |
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| 22:24.04 | adrenaline | I need it to run windows to test code in. It has a 80 gig hd so I partitined it in half so I could dual boot |
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| 22:25.30 | rysiek|pl | what's a better choice - checkinstall or installwatch? need to install an app (freeradius) from source and would rather use a standard deb |
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| 22:28.15 | tuliobRA | where can i download and install ssh-server ? |
| 22:28.27 | blondie | er |
| 22:28.43 | jareth_ | tuliobRA: apt-get install ssh-server |
| 22:28.51 | blondie | apt-get install ssh |
| 22:28.55 | tuliobRA | i did that, i tried to login after, not workign |
| 22:28.56 | jareth_ | tuliobRA: as root |
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| 22:29.05 | blondie | did you make sure it was started? |
| 22:29.11 | jareth_ | tuliobRA: iss sshd running? |
| 22:29.12 | tuliobRA | ps x? yes |
| 22:29.14 | blondie | /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 22:29.14 | tuliobRA | yes |
| 22:29.25 | unseensoul | how can i use a different skin in mozilla mplayer plugin? |
| 22:29.28 | blondie | define "not working" |
| 22:29.59 | tuliobRA | i log on it, but when i put the login detail it doesn't work |
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| 22:30.44 | blondie | tuliobRA: maybe you spelt the password wrong |
| 22:30.52 | blondie | look in /var/log/auth.log on the server. |
| 22:31.03 | g333k | How to install nvidia graphics driver in etch? |
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| 22:31.17 | blondie | !nvidia |
| 22:31.18 | dpkg | i heard nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 22:31.40 | g333k | blondie I've read taht |
| 22:31.45 | g333k | already |
| 22:31.52 | LoRez | dondelelcaro: can you fix dpkg's find of debian files? |
| 22:32.09 | blondie | then why are you asking again? didn't you understand it? |
| 22:32.57 | dondelelcaro | LoRez: actually, I haven't really even looked at that recently |
| 22:33.05 | tuliobRA | http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/1484/sshhe0.png |
| 22:33.07 | tuliobRA | blondie |
| 22:33.12 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/bash |
| 22:33.14 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:33.15 | dpkg | failed. |
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| 22:34.29 | blondie | tuliobRA: huh, are you ssh-ing to the same machine? |
| 22:34.34 | tuliobRA | blondie yes |
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| 22:35.28 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/bash |
| 22:35.30 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:35.36 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: reload |
| 22:35.36 | dpkg | reloading... |
| 22:35.36 | dpkg | reloaded: |
| 22:35.36 | blondie | tuliobRA: tail /var/log/auth.log |
| 22:35.41 | blondie | that's where ssh is logged to |
| 22:35.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/bash' (3): (/bin/bash-static) in shells/bash-static ;; (/bin/bash-minimal) in shells/bash-minimal ;; (/bin/bash, /usr/bin/bashbug) in shells/bash. |
| 22:35.48 | silly_girl22 | aegis-virus-scanner will not show in my gnome menu however it is being show by alcarte menu editor. i tried to duplicate it by copying and pasting all its details and that wont show either. i tried running update-menus as root and that didnt work either. |
| 22:36.03 | dondelelcaro | there we go... |
| 22:36.49 | tuliobRA | blondie it says nothing ... |
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| 22:36.54 | tuliobRA | well session opened for root |
| 22:37.07 | tuliobRA | server listening |
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| 22:38.25 | silly_girl22 | can anyone help? i also tried reverting my gnome menu in alcarte |
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| 22:41.21 | g333k | !firefox |
| 22:41.21 | dpkg | well, firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support> |
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| 22:45.12 | nick01 | can u do a netinstall f debian sid ? I only see images for sarge and etch :( |
| 22:45.31 | streuner_ | nick01: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:45.43 | nick01 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:46.00 | nick01 | tks |
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| 22:53.13 | tuliobRA | Putty error: Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available, i think that the problem is in sshd ... |
| 22:53.19 | tuliobRA | need some help |
| 22:54.01 | doomster | tuliobRA, how about checking which authentication options are activated for sshd? |
| 22:54.18 | tuliobRA | ok, how? |
| 22:54.45 | doomster | looking at the docs and the configfiles? |
| 22:54.50 | ehj20 | '#apt-get dist-upgrade' seems to have broken my apache2 and php5 installation. Is anyone else affected? |
| 22:54.55 | tuliobRA | ok, thank you |
| 22:55.05 | streuner_ | ehj20: /msg dpkg bts |
| 22:55.18 | enema_cow | hi all. anyone have any insight on why a recently updated apt would not recognize that there are updated packages available to install? |
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| 22:56.13 | abrotman | ehj20: everyone |
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| 22:57.07 | abrotman | whoa .. joe neikro is dead |
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| 22:57.35 | enema_cow | did hans reiser kill him? |
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| 22:58.04 | tuliobRA | doomster looking on the config file i can see PermitRootLogin YES and StrictModes yes |
| 22:58.13 | streuner_ | enema_cow: shut up |
| 22:58.14 | abrotman | enema_cow: not even remotely funny |
| 22:58.22 | enema_cow | *ahem* |
| 22:58.23 | ehj20 | streuner_: ty |
| 22:58.30 | abrotman | enema_cow: i hope someone klines you |
| 22:58.32 | ehj20 | abrotman: ah, bah. |
| 22:58.54 | enema_cow | oh |
| 22:59.08 | abrotman | ehj20: the php in etch isn't compatible with the apache in etch |
| 22:59.50 | doomster | tuliobRA, check "AllowedAuthentications" |
| 22:59.54 | tuliobRA | doomster it is working now, thank you very much |
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| 23:00.20 | g333k | Hi. what do I have to install to use the command glxinfo? |
| 23:00.29 | abrotman | mesa-utils |
| 23:00.34 | ehj20 | hmmm, I can see how that might be a minor problem... |
| 23:00.35 | streuner_ | g333k: /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:01.06 | doomster | g333k, it's a program, not a command and you can find it with "apt-file search glxinfo", provided apt-file is installed. |
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| 23:01.36 | streuner_ | doomster: are you still at FH WHV? |
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| 23:02.07 | doomster | streuner: huh? |
| 23:02.29 | streuner_ | doomster: that's an easy question, isn't it? :-) |
| 23:02.46 | abrotman | i think he doesn't know what FH WHV means :) |
| 23:02.50 | doomster | I have no idea what FH WHV is... |
| 23:02.54 | streuner_ | sure, he does :-) |
| 23:02.58 | streuner_ | no? |
| 23:03.21 | streuner_ | doomster: Fachhochschule Wilhelmshaven |
| 23:03.30 | doomster | ah. |
| 23:03.44 | doomster | I identified the FH part, but I never was in WHV |
| 23:03.49 | streuner_ | oh |
| 23:03.55 | g333k | Hi, Does glxinfo still exist? |
| 23:03.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:04.03 | abrotman | !tell g333k about search |
| 23:04.11 | abrotman | !tell g333k about grounding |
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| 23:04.46 | g333k | abrotman, I have search with apt-file and I got no results |
| 23:04.58 | abrotman | then you did it wrong |
| 23:05.13 | abrotman | apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search glxinfo |
| 23:05.28 | g333k | abrotman, I would got a error message then ... |
| 23:05.39 | abrotman | such as? |
| 23:05.41 | ehj20 | abrotman: do you know which versions are required to get apache2/php5 working again? (if it is indeed possible to rollback to prev versions?) |
| 23:05.44 | abrotman | errors are useful .. believe it or not |
| 23:05.53 | abrotman | ehj20: /msg dpkg sdn .. get apache2.0 packages |
| 23:06.40 | g333k | abrotman, if I would did it wrong I would get a error message... but I got nothing |
| 23:06.48 | abrotman | then you did it wrong |
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| 23:07.31 | g333k | abrotman, how long does it take the apt-file update command? it is still thinking.. |
| 23:07.48 | abrotman | probably .. depending on your internet connection .. could take a while |
| 23:07.59 | ehj20 | abrotman: excellant, thanks |
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| 23:08.47 | Smerdyakov | For apache2, which .load file should I copy from mods-available to mods-enabled to get the Order command? |
| 23:08.54 | g333k | abrotman, 5 minutes.. and continue... |
| 23:09.11 | abrotman | g333k: just wait til it's done |
| 23:09.23 | streuner_ | abrotman: :-) |
| 23:09.38 | g333k | abrotman, ...then g333k was waiting for a day.... |
| 23:10.46 | abrotman | !piav |
| 23:10.46 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 23:11.02 | abrotman | well .. except the answer part .. because we're teaching you how to find your own answer |
| 23:11.33 | g333k | abrotman, 10minutes and continue... |
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| 23:11.46 | h3sp4wn | g333k: if you run apt-file with the -v flag you can see what the curl command is and what its doing |
| 23:11.49 | abrotman | g333k: are you on dialup ? |
| 23:11.56 | g333k | abrotman, I have a 600kbps broadband DSL |
| 23:12.12 | abrotman | it'll be done in about five more minutes |
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| 23:13.10 | g333k | abrotman, I think it would be more useful to show a progress bar or something else... |
| 23:13.30 | abrotman | do you pay attention to anything anyone says ? |
| 23:13.37 | jair | hey guys, it is ok to install packages of etch in sarge ? even if I have the dependencies and everything? |
| 23:13.56 | jair | I am trying to install a .deb package from the non-free of etch |
| 23:14.11 | nvz | jair: if you cant get the package you want on backports you want to make sure you use pinning |
| 23:14.15 | jair | do you guys think that think will cbrake completely my system in sarge? |
| 23:14.42 | jair | nvz: but it is not in backports either :( |
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| 23:14.57 | abrotman | jair: you can't do it |
| 23:14.58 | g333k | abrotman, ohh I'm sorry.... I didnt read the h3sp4wn line |
| 23:14.58 | streuner_ | abrotman: -v show nothing (process-bar) |
| 23:14.58 | nvz | jair: what package are we looking for? |
| 23:15.02 | abrotman | streuner: it used to! |
| 23:15.15 | esk | jair: you could try to build the package in sarge |
| 23:15.18 | abrotman | g333k: just wait til it's done ... |
| 23:15.27 | streuner_ | hm, didn't have curl installed... |
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| 23:15.43 | jair | nvz: is a package from propetary work |
| 23:15.51 | nvz | jair: and it is... ? |
| 23:15.52 | jair | esk: how can I do that? |
| 23:16.10 | jair | nvz: ok it is call ibmwc, i do nit think is on the backports |
| 23:16.43 | nvz | !+info ibmwc sarge |
| 23:16.45 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:16.46 | jair | esk: but how can I get a .deb for etch and make it work for sarge? |
| 23:16.47 | dpkg | Package 'ibmwc' does not exist. |
| 23:16.53 | jair | haha told you |
| 23:17.00 | nvz | jair: says its not in sarge |
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| 23:17.10 | streuner_ | jair: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:17.13 | nvz | jair: I'm gonna check if I got non-free in my sources |
| 23:17.23 | jair | I do not think is in any, remember is a "non-free" |
| 23:17.43 | nvz | jair: if its not in etch then how are you going to install it from etch? |
| 23:17.53 | jair | nvz: add it and do apt-cache search ibmwc |
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| 23:18.13 | jair | nvz: then you can remove the "non-free" |
| 23:18.38 | nvz | jair: I already have non-free sources and dont see that in etch |
| 23:18.45 | jair | esk: how do i build it from etch to sarge? when both are .deb packages? |
| 23:19.00 | jair | nvz: it is propetary |
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| 23:19.47 | jair | so in conclussion: "A package create .deb for etch can not be use in any other version of debian that testing = etch" |
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| 23:20.10 | nvz | jair: I was trying to see what its depends were so I can tell if it will run in sarge, but it doesnt seem to exist in debian.. so how to install it from etch, sid, or anything else seems to be irrelevant |
| 23:20.11 | FrFluffyBottom | Hi all, we have a tool that records certain footage and outputs them in mpeg2 -- however, we wish to distribute them as xvid or similar. Does anyone know of a (preferably console-based) tool that allows this kind of conversion? |
| 23:20.44 | jair | nvz: the only dependency is lbs-base |
| 23:20.49 | ekkikrist | FrFluffyBottom: ffmpeg, mencoder, transcode... |
| 23:21.02 | xingu | jair: dpkg is more about dependancy management than locking you in to some text label you might peg a released collection of packages as |
| 23:21.03 | jair | !+infolbs-base |
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| 23:21.09 | nvz | jair: which also doesnt exist in debian it seems |
| 23:21.13 | jair | !+info lbs-base |
| 23:21.15 | dpkg | Package 'lbs-base' does not exist. |
| 23:21.17 | xingu | jair: if your userland satisfies the dependancies of the deb - it will install |
| 23:21.19 | nvz | jair: what does it depend on? |
| 23:21.20 | doomster | FrFluffyBottom, mencoder? |
| 23:21.37 | jair | xingu: so i will just test |
| 23:21.39 | FrFluffyBottom | doomster: It doesn't appear in apt for me |
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| 23:21.52 | xingu | jair: whether this is a /good/ thing to install or not is not on topic for here as your package does not seem to be from the debian repository |
| 23:21.52 | abrotman | !tell FrFluffyBottom about mplayer |
| 23:22.06 | jair | !+info lbs-base sarge |
| 23:22.08 | dpkg | Package 'lbs-base' does not exist. |
| 23:22.26 | jair | dpkg is drunk because that package of course exist |
| 23:22.35 | xingu | jair: generally, ex-debian.org-pool packages are of a much lower quality in terms of unfixed/unfixable packaging bugs |
| 23:22.37 | FrFluffyBottom | Yeah, it seems to be in sid only. I just wanted to do a batch conversion of these vids overnight |
| 23:22.39 | nvz | jair: nope, I am on etch and it doesnt exist |
| 23:22.45 | jair | sorry lsb |
| 23:22.54 | jair | !+info lsb-base sarge |
| 23:22.58 | dpkg | lsb-base: (Linux Standard Base 2.0 init script functionality), section misc, is extra. Version: 2.0-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 23:23.10 | jair | that is the only dependency |
| 23:23.14 | FrFluffyBottom | Didn't know if anyone had experience with this stuff to make a suggestion. I'll just check up on mencoder and ffmpeg |
| 23:23.16 | nvz | !depends lsb-base sarge |
| 23:23.20 | dpkg | lsb-base: depends on sed, ncurses-bin |
| 23:23.23 | nvz | jair: its all good |
| 23:23.44 | jair | nvz: so i will be able to install it from the etch to sarge? |
| 23:23.45 | nvz | jair: you will just need sed and ncurses-bin from sarge |
| 23:23.54 | nvz | jair: its not from etch, ffs |
| 23:23.54 | jair | ok |
| 23:24.00 | jair | ffs? |
| 23:24.06 | nvz | !ffs |
| 23:24.06 | dpkg | i guess ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 23:24.27 | xingu | jair: put it this way, if the {pre,post}-{install,remove} scripts in the package hose your system, the place you will be reporting a bug to is not debian for an ex-pool package |
| 23:24.35 | ekkikrist | FrFluffyBottom: hint: www.debian-multimedia.org. the codecs are not free. |
| 23:24.47 | jair | xingu: ok |
| 23:24.52 | jair | i will do it now then |
| 23:25.25 | nvz | jair: sarge has sed, ncurses-bin, and lsb-base |
| 23:25.39 | FrFluffyBottom | Ah, thanks ekkikrist. This looks to be what I'm looking for :-), /me downloads mencoder and relevent docs |
| 23:25.43 | nvz | so that non-debian package should install fine |
| 23:25.49 | nvz | it has nothing at all to do with etch |
| 23:26.15 | nvz | just apt-get install lsb-base first then install your deb with dpkg |
| 23:26.33 | xingu | for values of "fine" including "providing that the install and remove scripts don't make any wildly wrong assumptions" |
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| 23:26.49 | g333k | what do I have to do to install more fonts to gimp? |
| 23:27.13 | jair | nvz: and xingu thank you very much |
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| 23:27.40 | jair | the package comes with the script to remove and add to the dpkg -l :) |
| 23:27.47 | Zweideutig | I'm having trouble with the |
| 23:27.57 | Zweideutig | I'm having trouble with the "vesa" device. |
| 23:28.12 | kb3ien | debian, like most linuxes uses a compressed kernel image, ja? Which file is the kernel typicaly, and what compression algorithm(programme) is used. Im having issues with DMA and want to compress the file MORE (-9) to reduce timeouts at boot time. |
| 23:28.31 | unseensoul | how can i use a different skin in mozilla mplayer plugin? |
| 23:28.34 | Zweideutig | I have a Thinkpad T60 with ATI graphics. When I run startx, I notice some video corruption. |
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| 23:29.56 | g333k | Hi, what do I have to do to install more fonts to gimp? |
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| 23:30.08 | kb3ien | i remember it was gzip when i was on a sparcIPX years ago. |
| 23:30.22 | g333k | Zweideutig, #dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:30.31 | xingu | kb3ien: typically /boot/vmlinu* |
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| 23:31.03 | kb3ien | xingu: is it in gzip format still? |
| 23:31.21 | xingu | kb3ien: typically gzip or bzip compression |
| 23:31.34 | kb3ien | i renamed vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-286 with .gz and gzip complained. |
| 23:31.40 | xingu | kb3ien: might be bzImage for the bzip variant |
| 23:31.50 | xingu | kb3ien: there's a header... |
| 23:32.15 | xingu | kb3ien: if you want to go for tighter than normal compression the best way to do this is probably at kernel build time rather than post-fact |
| 23:32.19 | tuliobRA | how ot make an automated installation of apache+php ? |
| 23:32.37 | kb3ien | xingu: whats the header format? |
| 23:32.40 | infernixx | what's the difference between the businesscard and netinst image? businesscard doesn't have base install included? |
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| 23:32.54 | abrotman | bc has to have internet access |
| 23:33.01 | abrotman | netinst can get a base-system without it |
| 23:33.01 | Xorm | hmm. |
| 23:33.01 | kb3ien | xingu: no time for love dr jones. I just wanted to speed by boot time for a demo, soon |
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| 23:33.14 | xingu | kb3ien: x86 bootsector, and elf on some archs |
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| 23:33.48 | xingu | kb3ien: good luck with that; you'll really be better off changing the compression used at compilation time. |
| 23:33.55 | infernixx | abrotman: i just need to fix lilo, so i assume bc would do as a rescue console? |
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| 23:34.11 | abrotman | what's worn gwith lilo ? |
| 23:34.16 | abrotman | !tell quintin about root |
| 23:34.31 | opc0de | hey is etch the same as testing? |
| 23:34.38 | abrotman | right now they are |
| 23:35.13 | kb3ien | okay, thanks, that saves me some headaches. |
| 23:35.23 | infernixx | abrotman: broken hda in a softraid set; swapped disks, ran lilo, but not booting. and i need to remake dev so i finally lose the dreaded devfs. can bc image load ide drivers and boot into a rescue console? |
| 23:35.33 | opc0de | thanks |
| 23:35.42 | tuliobRA | doomster it is working now, thank you very much |
| 23:36.06 | doomster | tuliobRA, you said so already, but what was the problem? |
| 23:36.15 | doomster | or rather solution... |
| 23:36.18 | xingu | kb3ien: in fact it's already gzip -9 ... at least in ...linux/scripts/Makefile.lib |
| 23:36.47 | abrotman | infernix: ah ok .. |
| 23:37.39 | tuliobRA | doomster wrong key wrong windows sorry |
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| 23:38.36 | kb3ien | it used to be in gzip -6 years ago. |
| 23:38.40 | Smerdyakov | Has anyone else experienced catastrophic failure doing a dist-upgrade in testing that moves apache2 from 2.0 to 2.2? |
| 23:38.49 | kb3ien | bzip might buy a few blocks but thanks! |
| 23:39.28 | xingu | kb3ien: at 1.3MB for the zipped images here you must have some wildly broken DMA for it to matter |
| 23:40.11 | xingu | kb3ien: the sun4cd builds I did were all uncompressed too |
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| 23:41.25 | kb3ien | its a viac7 mobo with a transcend 4GB CF card. |
| 23:41.53 | kb3ien | via C7 cpu, the mobo is a EPIA something or other. |
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| 23:42.42 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: using PHP ? |
| 23:42.48 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, it is installed, yes. |
| 23:43.03 | abrotman | AIUI .. that's the issue |
| 23:43.12 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, what is AIUI? |
| 23:43.18 | abrotman | !aiui |
| 23:43.19 | dpkg | i heard aiui is As I Understand It |
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| 23:46.00 | xingu | kb3ien: I stand correct; bzImage are not bzipped; there were patches for 2.4mvl variands to use 7zip, everything else is uncompressed or gzip -9 |
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| 23:46.06 | psilikon | im trying to torrent debian 3.1r3 and was wondering how many of the iso's i need to install? |
| 23:46.14 | xingu | s/correct/corrected/ |
| 23:46.21 | j2^ | psilikon: None of them, just a boot-floppy really :) |
| 23:46.46 | j2^ | psilikon: Or rather, to make it more painless, get a netinst ISO (ABout 60MB) and install the rest over the net. |
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| 23:47.54 | jae | Gah, I hate printing |
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| 23:48.21 | grndslm | What is a disklabel?? And should I set it to msdos or bsd?? |
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| 23:49.02 | Rhizome | um, in what context? a label should just be the name of the partition, set it to whatever you want. |
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| 23:49.42 | psilikon | Does debian have a choice of kernels to install with like slackware? |
| 23:50.09 | adrianoc | help-me please ... where instal my print, back the error: client-erro-bad-request, i am using debian etch |
| 23:50.38 | psilikon | is etch ok for a noob? |
| 23:51.08 | abrotman | mostly okay |
| 23:51.08 | jae | Is there a picture out there of what alignmargins actually should produce? |
| 23:51.16 | grndslm | i found this 40gb hard drive that says ps2 on it (didn't know ps2's had hard drives anyway)....and i tried to mkfs.ext3 on it after i used fdisk to create one partition....but it wouldn't work....so i opened gparted and it says i need to create a disklabel, and will create an msdos label by default...but i'm wondering if the bsd label could be better |
| 23:51.25 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, OK, so you have that understanding of the problem. :) Is there a standard fix now? |
| 23:51.44 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 23:52.13 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, I don't know precisely which packages to get. :\ |
| 23:52.22 | abrotman | the apache2.0 packages |
| 23:52.45 | psilikon | where can i find info on what bugs are in etch? |
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| 23:52.53 | abrotman | !bts |
| 23:52.53 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 23:54.05 | grndslm | can anybody help with my question on disklabels??? should i use msdos or bsd? gparted says msdos is the default choice, but could bsd be better? |
| 23:54.15 | doomster | grndslm, you don't have to partition the drive, you can also mkfs the whole disk |
| 23:54.30 | grndslm | didn't know that... |
| 23:54.48 | adrianoc | help-me please ... where instal my print, back the error: client-erro-bad-request, i am using debian etch |
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| 23:55.18 | doomster | grndslm, otherwise, I'd use msdos partition tables, just because I know they work and I never had problems with them. |
| 23:55.52 | grndslm | sweet....'preciate it doomster |
| 23:57.18 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, Apache 2 has changed to have an apache2.2-common package instead of apache2-common. I don't see how I can run a "dpkg -i" to swap in the old packages. |
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| 23:57.47 | abrotman | you can use apt-get |
| 23:58.01 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, how can I use apt-get to install old versions? |
| 23:58.10 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, add the snapshot thinger to sources.list? |
| 23:58.17 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, I don't want to downgrade _everything_. |
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| 23:59.27 | monokrome | stfu |
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