| 00:00.18 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: use the = |
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| 00:02.02 | Phated | wols_: Do I? |
| 00:02.33 | psilikon | i think i will try etch.. looks like none of the bugs effect me |
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| 00:04.24 | abrotman | Phated: the stabbing |
| 00:04.55 | Phated | abrotman: Ah right. |
| 00:05.00 | Phated | Isn't he gone by now, though? |
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| 00:05.33 | abrotman | probably |
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| 00:12.05 | ehj20 | I attempting to downgrade to apache2 from 2.2 its asking for either of the following dependancies to also be installed: apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork and apache2-mpm-perchild. Which do I probably want? |
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| 00:14.27 | ehj20 | ah, /var/log/aptitude indicates i upgraded from prefork |
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| 00:17.22 | buu | Hrm. I've got a slight problem. I've got 12 sata drives plugged in to my computer. 4 are plugged in to a pci card, 4 more are plugged in to a different pci card, and 4 are plugged int o the mobo |
| 00:17.47 | buu | However, 1 of these isn't showing up. Is there any brilliance to figuring out which one isn't showing up? Perhaps which card only has 3 devices or some such? |
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| 00:22.42 | abrotman | buu: anything in proc ? |
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| 00:22.50 | abrotman | buu: let me guess .. all the same model drive etc ? |
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| 00:25.05 | zmutte | hey, I was wondering if it is possible to create a user group which restricts users to their home category and other specific folders? |
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| 00:26.33 | nvz | zmutte: not without changing the whole system around for no good reason |
| 00:27.05 | nvz | zmutte: users already have access to what they need.. if you dont want them to have access to a dir then change the permissions and make a special group for those who are allowed |
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| 00:28.50 | zmutte | well what I want is to make public_html more private so users cannot read the files in the category, and the only way I see it now is to chown files to www-data. |
| 00:29.14 | zmutte | which I really don't want to, is it possible to chmod a file for a specific group or is it only possible to give permissions to the group the user exists in? |
| 00:29.14 | nvz | zmutte: thats the idea |
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| 00:29.47 | nvz | zmutte: users can be members of many groups |
| 00:30.26 | zmutte | yeah, but if I create a group for example www-data, which a specific user is not part of, is it possible to chmod a file such that the specific group can read it but not other users? |
| 00:30.52 | Rhizome | yup |
| 00:31.04 | nvz | zmutte: if you set a file to be owned by the group www-data then only members of www-data can read it |
| 00:31.10 | nvz | just set the other bit to 0 |
| 00:31.44 | zmutte | well, the g-flag, is it for all groups or the group which the user is part of? |
| 00:31.47 | buu | abrotman: Yeah, thanks, I just guessed and pulled a wire and found it =] |
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| 00:32.18 | nvz | zmutte: this has nothing at all to do with users |
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| 00:32.25 | nvz | zmutte: users and groups are different things |
| 00:32.38 | nvz | zmutte: if a _file_ is owned by a group then the group can access it |
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| 00:32.58 | zmutte | you don't seem to understand my purpose |
| 00:33.00 | zmutte | nvm. |
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| 00:33.29 | Werdna | xingu_: ping |
| 00:33.29 | nvz | I think you dont understand how permissions work |
| 00:33.46 | zmutte | nvz then you think wrong. |
| 00:33.56 | ehj20 | I presume that it's safe to use the latest version of php5 in etch with apache2.0? |
| 00:33.59 | abrotman | buu: lucky you :) |
| 00:34.20 | abrotman | should be ok |
| 00:34.43 | buu | abrotman: Well, the first one I guessed was the one that caught fire.. |
| 00:34.53 | tjousk | heh |
| 00:34.54 | abrotman | oh .. that's usually a good place to start :) |
| 00:34.59 | buu | Yeah, I thought it might be |
| 00:34.59 | nvz | hmm somehow I got ls -l /home/nvz/ locked up on a screen window |
| 00:35.01 | buu | Some odd reason. |
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| 00:35.05 | nvz | it just hung |
| 00:35.06 | daeos | I love it when people call in for isp support for slow speeds and claim that BitTorrent is slow and they want support on it. |
| 00:35.06 | choique | hi |
| 00:35.12 | choique | i need help |
| 00:35.19 | buu | daeos: Well, if you're bting legitimate data.. |
| 00:35.24 | buu | daeos: Like, say, debian isos.. |
| 00:35.29 | daeos | buu: he was downloading movies |
| 00:35.42 | buu | daeos: The cable company says "Download movies and music with our new high speed internet!" |
| 00:35.45 | Werdna | I have two servers who don't talk to each other. One's behind a NAT, one's raw on the internet. They can talk to anywhere else on the internet, but not to each other. I can ping both from the nexthop for each one, and I can ping the nexthop for both of them. |
| 00:35.46 | nvz | doh |
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| 00:36.00 | choique | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.07 | nvz | I just hung df now too but after attaching strace to those processes I think I know what happened |
| 00:36.25 | nvz | this box thinks its got mounted samba shares in my home dir |
| 00:36.32 | unlink | i can load the ipw3945 module with the ./load script, but the eth1 device doesn't appear |
| 00:36.44 | nvz | and the server knows nothing about it because I turned it off and didnt unmount the shares :P |
| 00:37.11 | nvz | there has to be some way of getting those to disconnect on remote clients if the server shuts down |
| 00:37.44 | unlink | er, got it |
| 00:37.48 | daeos | buu: well i find it funny, really funny since we don't do anything about it, just say we can't help him |
| 00:38.05 | choique | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 00:38.13 | choique | Here's my problem |
| 00:38.39 | buu | daeos: Actually it sounds kind of entertaining.. call in about bt problems then act all offended if they assume it's illegal |
| 00:38.40 | tjousk | nvz: try a 'umount -l' on those mount points. probably best if you don't use tab-completion (: |
| 00:38.48 | tjousk | had that problem a few times. |
| 00:38.50 | choique | Sorry, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4262 |
| 00:39.29 | nvz | tjousk: I can fix it.. but like when you are on ssh or something the way init broadcasts to all users that the system is going down.. I'd like samba clients to be told this as well so they can clean up.. else programs will start to hang |
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| 00:40.01 | ehj20 | apt-get is trying to upgrade apache to 2.2 again, dispite a '--no-upgrade' switch? What am i missing? |
| 00:40.11 | daeos | buu: he didn't know that we turn people off for it too, when Over The Hedge came out, we killed 6 people's connections. |
| 00:40.12 | abrotman | !hold |
| 00:40.12 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 00:40.14 | tjousk | Aah, yeah, that would be a decent thing for it to do. |
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| 00:40.23 | nvz | tjousk: when smbd stops it should either wait for clients to hang up, or somehow let them know so they can do it. I might be able to do this with ssh and a script with keys |
| 00:41.07 | ehj20 | abrotman: ta |
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| 00:47.04 | Jourdi | Hi, I have a strange proble, I use this line using iptables on debian sarge |
| 00:47.07 | Jourdi | -A INPUT -i eth0 -p udp -s ireth.no-ip.org -d 65.111.164.248 --dport 1194 -j ACCEPT |
| 00:47.11 | Jourdi | and I get |
| 00:47.14 | Jourdi | iptables v1.2.11: host/network `ireth.no-ip.org' not found |
| 00:47.18 | Jourdi | It is not possible to use a DNS name with -s? |
| 00:47.51 | Jourdi | any idea? |
| 00:47.57 | j2^ | Jourdi: Iptables doesnt support hostnames at all. |
| 00:48.19 | limpio | hi all, what's the concensus on irssi? any good? |
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| 00:48.52 | jae | Anyone have a pic of what a properly config'd printer gives for align.ps? (Yes, I'm *very* annoyed by all this guessing) |
| 00:49.13 | Jourdi | j2^> so it is not possible? I have others rules with -s DNSNAME and works |
| 00:51.27 | jae | Or, anyone know a printing channel? |
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| 00:52.40 | j2^ | Jourdi: Hm, actyally recent iptables does support FQDN. |
| 00:52.44 | ehj20 | I'm in a world of pain here with the apache2.2 issue. I take it stable hasn't been affected? |
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| 00:59.43 | aciddemon | What are the cflags with which the debian packages are compiled with? |
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| 01:00.58 | Berdine | Hey all... I'm looking to start out with Debian... but the CD set is pretty hefty... Just wondering how many of those CD images I should download? :3 |
| 01:01.49 | abrotman | !d-i Berdine |
| 01:01.49 | dpkg | Berdine, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 01:02.47 | Berdine | A narky helping bot... Charming :) |
| 01:03.19 | JKnecht | you mean narcy? |
| 01:03.41 | Berdine | I meant snarky >_> Whoops. |
| 01:04.01 | whitesuit | anyone knows a msn client for linux that supports direct connection for file transfer? |
| 01:04.05 | jae | Is there a linux printing channel? |
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| 01:05.29 | abrotman | amsn? |
| 01:05.34 | ehj20 | apt-get is still trying to upgrade apache to 2.2, dispite the appropriate 'dpkg --set-selections' and using the '--no-upgrade'. Bah. |
| 01:06.33 | abrotman | !why is libapache2-mod-php5 not in testing |
| 01:06.33 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php5 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 01:08.56 | ehj20 | I get the feeling I'd be better of with sarge ;-] |
| 01:09.07 | abrotman | if it's a server .. yes .. that's the idea |
| 01:09.25 | abrotman | just once? |
| 01:09.30 | me_here | lol |
| 01:09.51 | kb3ien | startx produces, Fatal server error:\nno screens found. |
| 01:10.10 | kb3ien | is there a debian doc for x? |
| 01:10.14 | Berdine | I spent a lot of my day trying to fix a failed Ubuntu install... It's been a gross day. |
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| 01:10.38 | abrotman | kb3ien: look at the logs |
| 01:10.46 | jae | Lots of headbanging tonight (I feel like banging my head against a wall... oh, wait, I'm already doing it :P) |
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| 01:11.48 | Berdine | We should form a support group, jae. Hehe. |
| 01:12.27 | abrotman | to do what .. put up new wall ? |
| 01:13.01 | Berdine | Or to channel all that head banging energy into something productive and possibly sensual. :P Hah. |
| 01:13.14 | rk__ | having some trouble here with mbr. i zerod out /dev/hda first 512 earlier today. trying to rebuild it now but i'm getting cramfs: wrong magic upon booting [this is after i dd'd a hot mirror mbr to the munged mirror] |
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| 01:14.11 | rk__ | fdisk -l is reporting garbage partitions for hda on the machine whereas hdc [the mirror] is reporting proper partitions |
| 01:14.38 | rk__ | hda1 is set as the boot part |
| 01:14.53 | paolob | Guys, anyone could explain me what passed in my testing, since yesterday running epiphany tells me "Epiphany could not connect to the session message bus. Your default settings will not be available." Any hint? |
| 01:16.14 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 01:18.13 | paolob | abrotman, l'ultima referenza a epiphany dice "status installed epiphany-browser 2.14.3-2" |
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| 01:18.35 | paolob | abrotman, the last reference to epiphany says "status installed epiphany-browser 2.14.3-2" |
| 01:18.48 | rk__ | i would copy partition info via dd if=/dev/hdc of=mbr bs=512 count=1 |
| 01:18.56 | kb3ien | oh its set for the via framebuffer, not the ati one. |
| 01:19.13 | rk__ | and then copy it to the corrupt drive dd if=mbr of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1, correct? |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | paolob: and the date ? |
| 01:19.42 | paolob | abrotman, 2006-10-10 07:26:09 |
| 01:19.54 | paolob | abrotman, the problem arised yesterday |
| 01:20.22 | abrotman | ok .. so look at what was installed yesterday |
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| 01:29.47 | abrotman | Berdine: probably broken |
| 01:30.01 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:30.01 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 01:30.40 | Xorm | hahahahaha |
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| 01:36.23 | abrotman | karsten ? |
| 01:36.31 | kself | abrotman: Yep. |
| 01:36.42 | abrotman | flying ? |
| 01:36.48 | kself | abrotman: Um. Why? |
| 01:36.55 | abrotman | --> kself (n=kself@airport.deirdre.ORG |
| 01:37.22 | kself | abrotman: apple airport. You'll find that's my usual source, well, except that I'm usually cloaked. |
| 01:37.28 | abrotman | ah yeah |
| 01:37.57 | kself | Anyone got a good ref on the Vancouver proposal and current status |
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| 01:38.31 | abrotman | kself: the architecture thing ? |
| 01:38.45 | kself | http://lwn.net/Articles/149222/ |
| 01:38.58 | abrotman | wasn't there an email or two to d-d-a ? |
| 01:39.00 | kself | The secondary arches proposal. Yes. |
| 01:39.11 | kself | abrotman: Only 2? ;-) |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | dude .. been a while :) |
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| 01:39.48 | abrotman | kself: it's linked from the article |
| 01:40.34 | rk__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.57 | kself | Yeah, just trying to shortcut link-tracing. |
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| 01:41.36 | kself | rk__: Sounds like you may need a filesystem on there, or to properly specify your SCSI partition, or to specify the filesystem type you're trying to mount. |
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| 01:42.58 | rk__ | this is during bootup. i munged mbr earlier today and trying to fix it. i've got a hot mirror i tried taking the mbr from but that hasn't fixed it |
| 01:43.51 | dondelelcaro | use grep+xargs+find if you want something more complex |
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| 01:45.35 | abrotman | eh ... |
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| 01:47.28 | kb3ien | Ah, the problem is (WW) R128: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:20:0) found |
| 01:47.45 | kb3ien | i need to tell X which PCI device it to try to use. |
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| 01:47.54 | abrotman | is it a mac ? |
| 01:48.00 | pipeline | kb3ien: lspci ? |
| 01:48.01 | sanmarcos | how can I dpkg-reconfigure my console keymap? |
| 01:48.09 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:48.10 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 01:48.39 | kb3ien | 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RE/SG |
| 01:48.49 | kb3ien | now thats in hex? |
| 01:48.53 | abrotman | is it a mac ? |
| 01:48.54 | sanmarcos | abrotman proves once again why he is in the "hardcores", even if tinc |
| 01:49.03 | abrotman | i'm tinc ? |
| 01:49.06 | kb3ien | its a C7 (i386 type) |
| 01:49.13 | abrotman | leave it blank |
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| 01:50.16 | kb3ien | There is not PCI line in the config |
| 01:50.24 | dooglus | I want to 'grep' through a large binary file for an ascii string and get a charater offset to its position. can I do that? or does 'grep' only work on text files? |
| 01:50.24 | kb3ien | s/not/no/ |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | leave the PCI bus question blank |
| 01:51.55 | kb3ien | in xf86config? |
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| 01:54.39 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 01:54.39 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 01:54.41 | pipeline | dooglus: grep works with binary files, yes |
| 01:54.57 | abrotman | or use strings |
| 01:55.17 | dooglus | pipeline: can I get it to output character offsets to the match? line numbers don't make sense for binaries |
| 01:55.27 | pipeline | dooglus: read the man and info pages :P |
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| 01:55.39 | Berdine | Well... That didn't work out~ |
| 01:55.46 | dooglus | pipeline: I can't find the info page. any idea if it's available for debian? |
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| 01:57.12 | pipeline | dooglus: that IS odd; it appears that the man page is all there is. |
| 01:57.37 | dooglus | pipeline: /usr/share/doc/grep/NEWS.gz refers to the info documentation |
| 01:57.47 | Berdine | I can't use the netinst with dhcp... is there any way I can use it at all? :3 |
| 01:57.56 | pipeline | dooglus: interesting, that. |
| 01:58.05 | dooglus | pipeline: I seem to remember something about debian not including the tar documentation because it's license in a non-free way or some such. could it be the same for grep maybe? |
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| 01:58.53 | pipeline | Berdine: The netinst includes a dhcp client, but you can also statically set things. |
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| 02:00.10 | Berdine | pipeline: I noticed that... It timed out with the dhcp and then asked me to manually configure it... but... I really don't know what to put for IP and such? :3 |
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| 02:00.27 | pipeline | Berdine: I'm afraid we can't much help you with that. You have to know what the appropriate values are. |
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| 02:01.14 | Berdine | Well, it's just, I think my IP changes every time I connect to my internet... so... :3 |
| 02:01.43 | abrotman | how doyouconnect?> |
| 02:01.43 | pipeline | Berdine: What do you use to copy to the internet? And what does :3 mean? |
| 02:01.51 | pipeline | copy? Connect. |
| 02:01.57 | abrotman | drunk! |
| 02:02.14 | Berdine | Uh... DSL |
| 02:02.22 | Berdine | And :3 is just a stupid emoticon. |
| 02:02.28 | Berdine | Or aDSL, I suppose... |
| 02:02.43 | pipeline | DSL + different IP every time => PPPoE. |
| 02:02.54 | pipeline | I don't know how to set up PPPoE, I'm afraid, but I believe the installer supports it. |
| 02:03.03 | pipeline | You have to set up PPPoE *before* fooling with DHCP |
| 02:03.19 | Berdine | Oh. |
| 02:03.26 | pipeline | IIRC, PPPoE will configure an interface device, ppp0 or something. |
| 02:03.59 | Berdine | Something I read in the FAQ, it said I would be able to do it after DHCP timed out, I'll have to look into I guess, but thanks :) |
| 02:05.01 | abrotman | no router ? |
| 02:06.10 | kself | pipeline: How I copy the Internet? |
| 02:06.17 | dooglus | pipeline: from what I can find in the man page, grep only works on 'lines'. that's no use if the binary file doesn't contain newline characters. |
| 02:06.25 | dooglus | pipeline: since everything is then 'line 1' |
| 02:06.27 | pipeline | kself: much like you shot web |
| 02:06.31 | wols_ | kself: with a really big harddisk and a fast connection |
| 02:06.32 | Berdine | Umm... I think it used to... but I did something in the configuration one day trying to make it work, and it kind of... I don't know. >> |
| 02:06.43 | kself | dooglus: -a switch treats binary files as ascii |
| 02:06.54 | kself | pipeline: I guess I could ask archive.org |
| 02:07.09 | Zweideutig | ADSL is ridiculous. |
| 02:07.26 | dooglus | kself: yes; and that causes grep to treat the file as a collection of newline-terminated lines - ie. one massive line in the case where the file has no ASCII 10's |
| 02:07.57 | kself | dooglus: What are you trying for? |
| 02:07.59 | kb3ien | rock on, what are the "server modules" IE GLcore,bitmap,dbe,dcc,dri etc? |
| 02:08.19 | dooglus | kself: I can use the --byte-offset flag to ask grep to tell me the character number which starts the matching line, but it always reports '0' (which is the start of the matching 'line') |
| 02:08.31 | kself | dooglus: Other options include running 'strings' on the binary and grepping string's output, which is line oriented. grep -a is mostly useful with such options as '-l' as in "list files which listed). |
| 02:08.36 | Berdine | Can anyone tell me how to get the netinstall going with pppoe? :3 |
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| 02:08.54 | dooglus | kself: I have a file with 10,000,000 NUL characters in it, with a known string hidden somewhere inside. I want grep to tell me where the hidden string starts |
| 02:09.06 | dooglus | kself: the string isn't NUL terminated, so strings won't find it |
| 02:09.23 | dooglus | kself: there's only one file, so -l doesn't help |
| 02:09.34 | kself | dooglus: Gotchya. |
| 02:10.03 | wols_ | Berdine: after you installed it. run pppoeconf |
| 02:10.09 | ewl | €quit |
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| 02:10.11 | dooglus | kself: I'm thinking a hex-editor with searching abilities might be the best I can hope for - but that's probably going to want me to press a key after each result is found |
| 02:10.33 | kself | dooglus: I'm thinking a perl solution might be better, where you want both the pattern and the number of bytes prior to match. |
| 02:10.34 | Berdine | wols_: Thank ya |
| 02:10.35 | dooglus | kself: or I can write something simple in C, but it feels like I'd be reinventing a very old wheel |
| 02:10.47 | dooglus | kself: it's a big file. I don't want the overhead of Perl really |
| 02:11.32 | dooglus | kself: also, the file won't fit in virtual memory, so I'd have to read it in a bit at a time, and what if the string was split between 2 pages, etc. |
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| 02:11.44 | kself | dooglus: Anything internal to the file that could be used as delimiters? |
| 02:11.52 | kself | dooglus: Right. |
| 02:12.25 | dooglus | kself: actually, the known string in this case does happen to contain newline characters, so maybe 'grep' can be used. but in general, isn't there a proper 'bgrep' or something? |
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| 02:12.46 | joejaxx | hello all |
| 02:12.59 | sanmarcos | I am getting this warning, start-stop-daemon: unable to start /sbin/klogd: permission denied |
| 02:13.00 | sanmarcos | any ideas? |
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| 02:13.05 | sanmarcos | can anybody do a ls -l on that file? |
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| 02:14.21 | roz | debian is not seeing my floppy drive there is a /dev/fd0 but i cant do anything with it |
| 02:14.26 | kself | sanmarcos: invoked how? '/etc/init.d/sysklogd start' |
| 02:14.30 | kb3ien | no progress. |
| 02:14.45 | kself | roz: onboard or USB floppy? For latter, try /dev/sda |
| 02:15.04 | sanmarcos | kself, can you do a ls -l please? |
| 02:15.12 | roz | kself: onboard using the floppy controller. I know the floppy is working cuz i can boot from it |
| 02:15.15 | kself | sanmarcos: No. Not on Debian atm. |
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| 02:15.31 | sanmarcos | kself, klogd not sysklogd |
| 02:15.48 | sanmarcos | whats the diference? |
| 02:15.50 | kself | sanmarcos: Then do a sensible transform on the suggested command. |
| 02:16.06 | kself | roz: Accessing floppy how, by what user? |
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| 02:16.42 | kb3ien | that dpkg didn't write to the file. |
| 02:16.51 | roz | kself: as root. I am trying to dd to it, i also just tried to mount it. the light wont even come on |
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| 02:17.29 | sanmarcos | can anybody do me a favor and do a ls -l on /sbin/klogd? |
| 02:17.37 | dooglus | kself: found this - looks simple, but probably good enough: http://www.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/~andy/source/Local/bpatch-1.1/bgrep.c |
| 02:18.45 | kself | dooglus: might try searching for a binary grep package in Debian as well. |
| 02:18.58 | dooglus | kself: I did, but turned up nothing |
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| 02:20.27 | kb3ien | shame, b/c dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 actualy recognised the right monitor! which means it was talking to the right fb. |
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| 02:22.54 | roz | kself: i didn';t have floppy support in my kernel *doh* |
| 02:23.23 | vith | is there some way to have apt give me the option of interactively merging a new configuration file with my edited old version? |
| 02:24.24 | kself | roz: ;-) |
| 02:24.48 | kself | vith: that's called "exit to shell". |
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| 02:25.30 | kself | vith: .dpkg / .dpkg-old files will be around for you to sort out the dead. |
| 02:25.50 | fattyp | hi sorry what's the default runlevel in deb? 3? |
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| 02:26.08 | Triona | fattyp: 2 I think. |
| 02:26.13 | kself | fattyp: grep initdefault /etc/initta b |
| 02:26.16 | Triona | but 2-5 by default are dentical |
| 02:26.19 | Triona | identical |
| 02:26.33 | fattyp | triona, yes they are but one of them are default :P |
| 02:26.35 | fattyp | thanks all |
| 02:26.57 | kself | fattyp: The value is considered user-definable |
| 02:27.08 | vith | kself: oh, i see them now, thanks |
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| 02:29.02 | Triona | are there unoffical or offical firefox 2.0 packages out yet? |
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| 02:30.43 | kself | Anyone know how to get GAIM to *NOT* show the "invite" "add" "send" buttons at the bottom of the screen, and to remember the "don't show formatting toolbar" setting? |
| 02:31.57 | Snadder | Does it exist a backport of firefox2 in etch? |
| 02:32.09 | kself | !tell Snadderabout backports |
| 02:32.42 | kself | !tell snadder about backports |
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| 02:33.07 | Snadder | I searched http://www.apt-get.org/ .. but didnt find anything. |
| 02:33.23 | kb3ien | damn thing remembers all my answers, but it doesn't write them where X looks. |
| 02:33.28 | kself | Snadder: If you're looking for last week's release, might give it a bit. |
| 02:33.43 | Snadder | Ok. |
| 02:33.46 | kself | kb3ien: xorg dpkg-reconfigure? Yeah, it's borken. |
| 02:33.49 | kself | I think. |
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| 02:34.18 | benjamindees | I'm looking for a userspace cpu frequency daemon that sets the frequency based on temperature, any suggestions? |
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| 02:35.49 | kb3ien | nah the xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:36.25 | kb3ien | it remembers all my answers, each time i run it but it never rights them to /etc/X11/XF86Conifg |
| 02:36.31 | kb3ien | nor " -4 |
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| 02:36.35 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 02:36.36 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg> |
| 02:36.41 | benjamindees | beaten :( |
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| 02:37.05 | kb3ien | ah so where did it save them? |
| 02:37.16 | benjamindees | nowhere |
| 02:37.35 | kb3ien | but it remembers all my answers to the prompts, |
| 02:37.37 | benjamindees | er |
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| 02:38.30 | abrotman | yeah .. |
| 02:39.59 | Zweideutig | benjamindees: You could write your own. |
| 02:41.12 | Zweideutig | But why would you want to set the frequency based on temperature? |
| 02:41.18 | Nyle | hi |
| 02:41.21 | Nyle | dammit |
| 02:41.36 | abrotman | Zweideutig: other things do that too .. |
| 02:41.47 | nvz | stoned: not yet but I'm working on it |
| 02:41.54 | Zweideutig | Wouldn't agree that temperature is dependant on frequency? |
| 02:42.01 | kb3ien | keep the thing from burning up? |
| 02:42.03 | nvz | ... right after I eat these potato chips |
| 02:42.23 | Zweideutig | I would rather set the frequency based on whether or not the process gcc exists. ;) |
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| 02:42.50 | stoned | hi |
| 02:42.51 | Zweideutig | Or when firefox or openoffice are coldstarting. |
| 02:42.52 | stoned | I had the wrong profile selected for wrong server |
| 02:42.54 | stoned | ahaha |
| 02:42.58 | kb3ien | a make wrapper ? |
| 02:42.58 | nvz | stoned: I went to the store just now and bought a lighter, papers, and chips and it came to $4.20 |
| 02:43.13 | stoned | nice |
| 02:43.45 | Zweideutig | Damn it, I want to disable screen blanking. |
| 02:44.02 | Zweideutig | There |
| 02:44.04 | nvz | but then who needs a cash register to give them the idea |
| 02:44.20 | kb3ien | sweet it wrote to the right file this time! |
| 02:44.20 | Zweideutig | There's nothing more annoying than a blank screen every ten minutes. |
| 02:44.41 | kb3ien | i did that in X the other day, i still have these notes somewhere. |
| 02:44.41 | abrotman | !blank |
| 02:44.42 | dpkg | [blank] a budget screensaver for linux. To turn it off, run 'setterm -blank 0'. At the same time, you may want to add that to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 02:44.48 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 02:44.49 | dpkg | somebody said dpms was know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 02:45.11 | kb3ien | oh there you go, i do it in my ~/.xsession |
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| 02:46.58 | benjamindees | Zweideutig, I want to maintain a constant temperature of 100 degrees in my computer case |
| 02:47.08 | kovand | 'history -c' would clear the command history list of a shell. what if i want to clear all the history lists of all shells opened in a session. is there a command for this? |
| 02:47.16 | abrotman | F or C ? |
| 02:47.33 | kovand | F of course. |
| 02:47.38 | Zweideutig | benjamindees: Why must it be that specific temperature? |
| 02:47.40 | abrotman | you never know ... |
| 02:47.44 | Zweideutig | 100 C would fry it. ;) |
| 02:47.44 | kovand | C would fried the computer. |
| 02:47.55 | abrotman | it could be an industrial box |
| 02:48.05 | Zweideutig | 100 K would be pretty cold. :) |
| 02:48.31 | benjamindees | more agricultural than industrial actually |
| 02:48.41 | kovand | :D |
| 02:48.43 | kb3ien | okay so my file XF86Config-4 has line BusID "PCI:0:14:0" |
| 02:48.48 | kovand | going green, eh? |
| 02:49.34 | kb3ien | but startx produces : |
| 02:49.36 | kb3ien | (WW) R128: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:20:0) found |
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| 02:49.58 | kb3ien | seems like its not reading the file, but ls -lu suggests that it is reading, just not very carefuly. |
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| 02:51.00 | unlink | how can i network two computers over USB? |
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| 02:51.37 | Zweideutig | unlink With TCP/IP over USB, of course. |
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| 02:51.39 | abrotman | ask oracle |
| 02:51.46 | abrotman | or was that firewire ? |
| 02:52.04 | kovand | back to my own problem. 'history -c' would clear the command history list of a shell. what if i want to clear all the history lists of all shells opened in a session. is there a command for this? |
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| 02:52.34 | Zweideutig | unlink: Why would you want to do that? USB 1.1 is too slow for good networking. This is almost as pointless as USB 1.1 network adapters. |
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| 02:52.45 | mick_linux | how can i see the last updated packages? |
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| 02:52.53 | Zweideutig | unlink: You would be better off with a crossover ethernet cable. |
| 02:52.53 | mick_linux | i want to know if mysql was updated today |
| 02:53.07 | unlink | Zweideutig: they're laptops and i don't have the nics to spare |
| 02:53.38 | kb3ien | use the firewire, luke. |
| 02:53.43 | Zweideutig | You can't get them on a network? |
| 02:53.53 | kb3ien | serial is faster than usb1 |
| 02:53.55 | mick_linux | mysql is hosed on my box, and i run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade today (i just pressed "enter" w/o looking what it did) |
| 02:53.59 | unlink | Zweideutig: that would be more expensive |
| 02:54.03 | mick_linux | ran* |
| 02:55.22 | abrotman | look in your dpkg.log |
| 02:55.24 | keram | hey |
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| 02:55.29 | mick_linux | abrotman, ty |
| 02:55.31 | keram | whats a replacement for the windows arp command? |
| 02:55.34 | benjamindees | unlink, this maybe? http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 02:55.41 | keram | where you specify the mac then the ip to assign it to |
| 02:55.54 | mick_linux | keram, man arp |
| 02:56.11 | mick_linux | also look at ifconfig |
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| 02:58.18 | astronaute | hello =) |
| 02:58.29 | astronaute | is there a way to run teamspeak on 64bit system ? |
| 02:58.33 | astronaute | client |
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| 02:58.44 | benjamindees | unlink, or this http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowToSetUpUsbNetworkingDebian |
| 02:58.55 | astronaute | hello =) |
| 02:59.02 | fattyp | hi |
| 02:59.02 | Cuddles_in_KY | evening all. |
| 02:59.08 | fattyp | evening cuddles |
| 02:59.15 | Cuddles_in_KY | anyone familiar with setting up a jabber server? |
| 02:59.16 | fattyp | how are you all doing this fine night? |
| 02:59.32 | Cuddles_in_KY | tired, fattyp. very tired. |
| 02:59.37 | fattyp | apt-get, then read the docs |
| 03:00.00 | Cuddles_in_KY | did that fattyp. all i get now is ''stream error'' |
| 03:00.10 | fattyp | stream error when you do what? |
| 03:00.28 | Cuddles_in_KY | when i try to register an account on the newly installed server. |
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| 03:01.03 | abrotman | there's a #jabber on freenode |
| 03:01.03 | fattyp | have you checked that all permissions are in order? |
| 03:01.20 | fattyp | that too |
| 03:01.29 | unlink | benjamindees: heh, wild |
| 03:01.39 | Cuddles_in_KY | yes fatty. |
| 03:01.57 | fattyp | cuddles, #jabber! |
| 03:02.01 | Cuddles_in_KY | abrotman, i figured i'd try here first since i installed the debian package. |
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| 03:02.07 | fattyp | you're in the wrong channel |
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| 03:02.37 | Berdine | Well, that didn't work out. |
| 03:03.22 | Berdine | That'll learn me for trying to use the testing version~ |
| 03:03.35 | abrotman | Cuddles_in_KY: checked the bts ? |
| 03:03.43 | abrotman | Berdine: i told you it was broken |
| 03:03.43 | Cuddles_in_KY | no joy on the #jabber channel. |
| 03:03.47 | abrotman | why doesn't anyone listen to me ? |
| 03:03.59 | abrotman | so does the news at the top of the website |
| 03:04.00 | Cuddles_in_KY | bts? |
| 03:04.04 | abrotman | !bts |
| 03:04.04 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 03:04.27 | Berdine | abrotman: I know, I know :) I was just hoping for luck... The installer GUI was so shiny~ |
| 03:05.05 | Cuddles_in_KY | nothing there about stream error. |
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| 03:05.42 | linux2 | hey does anyone here know how to get XGL and compiz to work |
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| 03:05.56 | linux2 | i tried following some steps but they were specific for gnome |
| 03:06.00 | linux2 | and im using kd |
| 03:06.01 | linux2 | e |
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| 03:06.15 | linux2 | i get these errors when i try to start XGL |
| 03:06.35 | fattyp | you can like |
| 03:06.42 | fattyp | print them out and use it as toiletpaper? |
| 03:06.44 | abrotman | xgl isn't in debian |
| 03:07.11 | abrotman | fattyp: do you have anything useful to say? |
| 03:07.17 | Berdine | It did the same thing that Ubuntu Dapper did to me and froze at the clock configuration... and then when I skipped over that, I came back in a bit and it was frozen at 'saving language' or some such~ I guess I should just get on the stable train. <3 |
| 03:07.26 | linux2 | abrotman: take a look at this: http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
| 03:07.39 | abrotman | linux2: it's not in debian |
| 03:07.55 | linux2 | abrotman: well still, i got it working up to actually loading correctly |
| 03:08.00 | linux2 | it claims it can't find some fonts |
| 03:08.11 | abrotman | so install the fonts |
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| 03:08.50 | Berdine | Complete newbie question... Is there some kind of starter guide if I need a little hand-holding? XD |
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| 03:08.53 | idealm | Hi. What's the replacement of /dev/ttyUSB0 in the etch? I can't use jpilot as before. |
| 03:08.57 | linux2 | cd /usr/lib |
| 03:08.57 | linux2 | tar xfvz folder_where_are_all_files/xgl-libs.tgz |
| 03:09.18 | linux2 | abrotman: there are the instructions for installing the XGL libraries which seems like it will solve the problem |
| 03:09.38 | linux2 | do you have any clue by what it means when it says "folder_where_are_all_giles" |
| 03:09.43 | abrotman | !tell Berdine about ig |
| 03:10.07 | abrotman | linux2: no clue .. search around for an xgl-libx.tgz |
| 03:10.13 | abrotman | !tell Berdine about grounding |
| 03:10.17 | Berdine | Thank you, abrotman darling. x) |
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| 03:10.52 | Zweideutig | My screen is still blanking even though I did setterm -blank 0. : |
| 03:11.24 | Catoptromancy | What was the command to install the desktop? I finally downloaded the first 4 CDS. |
| 03:12.06 | Zweideutig | Catoptromancy: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 03:12.21 | abrotman | Catoptromancy: apt-get install x-window-system menu xfce xdm |
| 03:12.26 | Zweideutig | Or you can use tasksek. |
| 03:12.30 | Zweideutig | Err, tasksel. |
| 03:12.37 | Catoptromancy | hmmm |
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| 03:12.53 | Catoptromancy | Since I now I have full versions Ill just reinstall whole thing |
| 03:12.56 | Catoptromancy | Im getting erroe |
| 03:13.01 | Catoptromancy | errors |
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| 03:14.48 | kb3ien | http://www.databit7.com/XF86Config-4 Why does it say that there is no BusID ? |
| 03:15.02 | OkinawaSkittles5 | need help, i am trying to install linux onto a Averatec 6210x and keep running into some type of problem... i've tried (K,X,Ed)ubuntu, knoppix, and gentoo with no luck. i was wondering if anyone has had experience with debian on this machine... thanks for the help |
| 03:15.32 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 03:15.32 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 03:15.53 | abrotman | kb3ien: because as i told you before .. it's not needed |
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| 03:17.17 | klikklak | phear the word of the 3ld3rs! I just fscked up my setup by trying to install aiglx in testing |
| 03:17.25 | kb3ien | i just makes worry that it cannot see it. |
| 03:17.27 | kb3ien | it |
| 03:17.36 | abrotman | forget about it |
| 03:17.54 | kb3ien | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 03:17.54 | kb3ien | Fatal server error: |
| 03:17.54 | kb3ien | no screens found |
| 03:18.02 | kb3ien | okay, so why these? |
| 03:18.03 | abrotman | paste your log |
| 03:18.10 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:18.10 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 03:19.40 | deadcat | oh.. /etc/issue is showing debian 4.0 |
| 03:19.45 | kb3ien | http://www.databit7.com/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:20.04 | klikklak | is there any handy way to downgrade ? like dpkg --force-downgrade but with apt-get ... |
| 03:21.00 | Ketchup | is universe the largest or everything? |
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| 03:22.24 | abrotman | Ketchup: wrong channel |
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| 03:22.56 | ApEtc | klikklak: A specific package or everything? |
| 03:23.01 | Ketchup | is it though? |
| 03:23.05 | abrotman | Ketchup: wrong channel |
| 03:23.12 | benjamindees | Ketchup, /join #ubuntu |
| 03:23.19 | klikklak | ApEtc: xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-core |
| 03:23.36 | Ketchup | i aint talkin about ubuntu |
| 03:23.37 | abrotman | you can pass dpkg options through apt-get |
| 03:23.43 | ApEtc | klikklak: Ooh, I think I'm going to have to step aside for that one. |
| 03:23.43 | Ketchup | im talkin about the real universe |
| 03:23.44 | klikklak | ApEtc: they show up in dselect/apt as 7.1 and that's broke |
| 03:23.44 | abrotman | Ketchup: you're not talking Debian |
| 03:23.58 | Ketchup | like the galaxies and all that |
| 03:23.59 | klikklak | ApEtc: ok, I can understand your feelings on this :) |
| 03:24.08 | abrotman | Ketchup: try #physics |
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| 03:24.21 | kb3ien | any ideas? |
| 03:24.44 | klikklak | I suppose I can wait for a few days for an upgrade to xserver-xorg-core... |
| 03:24.48 | kb3ien | i have the 'tty's running on the via fb, but i need x running on the ati. |
| 03:24.58 | moustic | kb3ien: using xfree is really your choice ? |
| 03:25.18 | kb3ien | its my choice, should i use xorg instead? |
| 03:26.45 | moustic | i can't tell you, just i have just noticed some good changes recently to provide a simple and quick configuration that works |
| 03:27.21 | shogunx | kb3ien, did you try specifying the pci id in you X config? |
| 03:27.32 | kb3ien | some good changes to what? |
| 03:27.47 | kb3ien | well its I think its in there, but x ignores it. |
| 03:27.50 | abrotman | shogunx: he shouldn't have to |
| 03:27.57 | abrotman | kb3ien: where's the error ? |
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| 03:28.07 | kb3ien | its there, its being read, its just not being parsed. |
| 03:28.20 | kb3ien | http://www.databit7.com/XF86Config-4 |
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| 03:28.52 | abrotman | the log .. not the config |
| 03:28.54 | moustic | to give you a xorg.conf file that works from scratch |
| 03:29.00 | kb3ien | the log is http://www.databit7.com/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:29.49 | abrotman | take out the freaking BusID |
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| 03:29.55 | kb3ien | okay |
| 03:30.07 | abrotman | i've told you what .. FIVE times now ? |
| 03:30.18 | killown | I need of samba to share internet with other pc? |
| 03:30.22 | killown | I need of samba to share internet with other pc windows? |
| 03:30.31 | kb3ien | same errors, verbatim. |
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| 03:30.38 | abrotman | how did oyu take it out ? |
| 03:31.05 | benjamindees | killown, no |
| 03:31.12 | killown | benjamindees how I do it? |
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| 03:32.05 | benjamindees | killown, if Debian is the gateway, iptables |
| 03:32.13 | abrotman | kb3ien: paste lspci output |
| 03:32.19 | shogunx | killown ask google.com/linux about ip masquerading howto |
| 03:32.20 | killown | ok thanks |
| 03:32.41 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 03:32.41 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 03:32.48 | kb3ien | 0000:00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) |
| 03:32.48 | kb3ien | 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RE/SG |
| 03:32.49 | kb3ien | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3344 (rev 01) |
| 03:32.57 | Xorm | eh? |
| 03:33.11 | abrotman | update-pciids |
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| 03:33.25 | kelm | hello |
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| 03:34.13 | killown | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE ? |
| 03:34.35 | abrotman | X is trying to use :20.0 .. you dnon't have that device . so pick one of those cards (or disable one int eh BIOS) ... |
| 03:34.54 | abrotman | and yes .. you do need to use the BusID .. i thought you only had one card |
| 03:34.56 | kb3ien | the BIOS cannot disable. |
| 03:34.59 | mick_linux | if i remove kernel-image-2.6-386 it won't remove my other kernel: kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 will it? |
| 03:35.02 | abrotman | bios is crap :) |
| 03:35.11 | abrotman | no |
| 03:35.14 | kb3ien | yep. always. |
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| 03:35.40 | kb3ien | i use IEEE1275 bootloaders when i have a choice. |
| 03:35.59 | mick_linux | ok, i believe abrotman (usually) - but this is scary if my kernel goes :) |
| 03:36.03 | abrotman | maybe a jumper ? |
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| 03:36.15 | mick_linux | i need the 30 MB freed though |
| 03:36.20 | abrotman | mick_linux: the first is a metapackage |
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| 03:36.51 | mick_linux | abrotman, pardon my ignorance (i've heard of a metapackage) - but what is it exactly? |
| 03:36.52 | abrotman | and anyways .. your -1- is way out of date |
| 03:36.57 | abrotman | !metapackage |
| 03:36.57 | dpkg | [metapackage] a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
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| 03:37.08 | mick_linux | ah ok |
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| 03:37.25 | kb3ien | i dont want to loose my via screen tho. |
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| 03:37.27 | mick_linux | abrotman, i can't update s9ince i have insain hdd space issues |
| 03:37.30 | benjamindees | mick_linux, dpkg-query -W kernel-image-2.6* |
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| 03:38.16 | nikosapi | How can I remove a package if dpkg exits with an error each time I try to remove it? |
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| 03:38.58 | sanmarcos | can anybody give me a hand, I am trying to get my panels in gnome to expand to both my displays, I am using nvidia TwinView, do I need to enable something? |
| 03:38.59 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:40.43 | mick_linux | wow, you start removing unnecessary kernels and you can really free some space |
| 03:40.47 | sanmarcos | do I need to span the desktop acrsoos two monitors? |
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| 03:41.48 | mick_linux | i hope that i can reboot though :) |
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| 03:43.37 | brick | hi all. debian user since 1997, first time i have had this problem. even after running ntpdate my clock is wrong, and not even by an integer number of hours. where can i check to see what might be set wrong? my time zone is PST. |
| 03:43.52 | brick | it's 8:43 PM and my clock reads 5:07 AM. |
| 03:43.58 | kb3ien | i dont want to loose my via screen tho, although i have no intention of running X on it. |
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| 03:44.53 | liable | brick: i think ntpdate can only correct it if its within a certain amount, try setting it roughly with date, then run ntp-date |
| 03:45.36 | liable | nikosapi: put the errors on a pastebot |
| 03:46.14 | kb3ien | okay i have to go out for a bit. |
| 03:46.32 | nikosapi | dpkg: error processing skype (--remove): |
| 03:46.32 | nikosapi | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.32 | nikosapi | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 03:46.32 | nikosapi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:47.07 | nikosapi | jeeze kicked for 4 lines... |
| 03:47.17 | liable | nikosapi: um, did you read the word pastebot??? *dont* paste in the channel |
| 03:47.41 | nikosapi | sorry, I just figured you expected me to post a long page |
| 03:47.48 | liable | !paste |
| 03:47.48 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 03:48.07 | liable | nikosapi: run the post-removal script with -x |
| 03:48.15 | fattyp | anyone know of pablodraw? |
| 03:48.23 | fattyp | or another ansi editor? |
| 03:48.30 | liable | it draws mexicans? :) |
| 03:48.34 | fattyp | no |
| 03:48.35 | fattyp | :( |
| 03:48.39 | fattyp | unfortunately no |
| 03:48.40 | fattyp | t |
| 03:48.54 | nikosapi | you mean the .postrm one in /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
| 03:49.01 | liable | yes |
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| 03:49.06 | fattyp | most commonly it draws beautiful blocks in different colours |
| 03:49.34 | fattyp | in 80x25 |
| 03:49.56 | liable | nikosapi: you can edit it and put 'set -x' in it or tey it with 'bash -x foo.script' |
| 03:50.05 | brick | liable, interesting idea. when i set it and ran ntpdate again i saw no change... so the update itself must be failing |
| 03:50.15 | fattyp | much like ansi/ascii editors have done for many many years but this is multiplayer! |
| 03:50.21 | brick | Oct 29 09:00:07 firecat ntpdate[18028]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 03:50.24 | liable | brick: try another server? |
| 03:50.32 | liable | hah |
| 03:50.54 | brick | thanks liable :) |
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| 03:50.57 | liable | np |
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| 03:52.02 | moustachu | hi |
| 03:52.21 | nikosapi | ok, the output is here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4263 |
| 03:52.58 | brick | trying a harder question: man(1)'s text rendering is messed up. whenever a line has bold in it, it gets too long and wraps. this doesn't happen in info(1). any clues? |
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| 03:53.20 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 03:53.23 | fattyp | jo |
| 03:53.29 | mynullvoid | I got problem with when I sudo |
| 03:53.37 | mynullvoid | Oct 29 11:48:29 localhost sudo: www-data : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/usr/share/squirrelmail/plugins/manuser ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/creamail john John Tembo |
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| 03:53.55 | matholio | hi all |
| 03:53.56 | liable | nikosapi: dunno why its calling debconf for a removal, and i dont know anything much about debconf or perl |
| 03:53.58 | mynullvoid | my sudoer line is www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL,/usr/sbin/creamail,/usr/sbin/useradd |
| 03:55.31 | nikosapi | this is the skype.postrm script if it helps: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4264 |
| 03:56.44 | liable | nikosapi: dunno, you could try removing the -e, but i dont think it'll help |
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| 03:57.30 | matholio | I want to give rw perms to myself and ww-data to a folder, I have made a new group and added myself and www-data as members, and granted rights to the group, is that right ? |
| 03:58.00 | brick | liable, is /etc/ntp.conf more complex than it seems? i added more server lines with IP addresses, get the same error. |
| 03:58.37 | liable | brick: i dont use it, i normally just run ntpdate |
| 03:58.56 | brick | liable, me too :) |
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| 03:59.09 | liable | brick: give it the server in the command |
| 03:59.26 | nikosapi | heh, I commented everything out and ran it, now I'll just go find all the skype related stuff and remove it. At least I can now use apt. Thanks a lot for telling me where that file was, I've been working on this for 90min. |
| 03:59.47 | brick | liable, thanks |
| 03:59.53 | nikosapi | thanks, bye |
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| 04:02.38 | liable | brick: fixed it? |
| 04:03.13 | liable | matholio: should be right, yeah |
| 04:03.29 | liable | matholio: remember you need to log out after adding to a group |
| 04:03.38 | klikklak | does anyone else get this with xserver-xorg-core: unable to create './usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so': file not found |
| 04:03.45 | matholio | liable: oh, how do I logout www-data ? |
| 04:03.50 | matholio | restart apache ? |
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| 04:04.07 | liable | matholio: i dunno if apache needs to, but yeah, i guess restart it |
| 04:04.09 | brick | liable, it works when i run ntpdate straight up, but not when /etc/init.d/ntpdate starts |
| 04:04.32 | brick | liable, it seems to be totally ignoring my /etc/ntp.conf - the log and drift files don't appear, it can contact no server |
| 04:04.36 | brick | no details in the syslog |
| 04:05.01 | liable | brick: hrm, run the script with -x ? |
| 04:05.11 | brick | good call |
| 04:05.20 | matholio | liable: yeah, apache restart worked. thnaks. |
| 04:05.28 | liable | matholio: cool |
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| 04:06.04 | Zweideutig | Is there a Debian port for Firefox 2.0? |
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| 04:06.22 | liable | not yet, and it'll be iceweasel not ff |
| 04:06.56 | mick_linux | Zweideutig, scheiss trademark policy |
| 04:06.59 | Element14 | Zweideutig: just download the linux binary off mozilla.org. it works for me (deb testing) |
| 04:07.39 | brick | liable, it's not getting its server from ntp.conf... no wonder |
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| 04:07.55 | brick | /etc/default/ntp-servers |
| 04:07.57 | brick | jeesh |
| 04:08.03 | liable | heh |
| 04:08.44 | brick | OK, got it :) |
| 04:08.45 | brick | thanks! |
| 04:08.51 | liable | np :) |
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| 04:10.01 | klikklak | it seems like xserver-xorg-core isn't seeing the file provided by nvidia proprietary package, hrm. |
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| 04:10.24 | sparr | What package (unofficial, I am sure) do I need to install to get java working in firefox? |
| 04:10.57 | antidrugue | klikklak : did you try with the "--x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules" option ? |
| 04:10.59 | zinx | sparr: java |
| 04:11.26 | zinx | sparr: sun-java5-jre, usually |
| 04:12.02 | sparr | zinx: ok, assuming that hasnt ever worked... |
| 04:12.12 | sparr | ive always had to symlink the plugin .so myself |
| 04:12.16 | sparr | only that isnt working now either |
| 04:13.07 | xoz | if the firewall allows only http, is it still possible to use irrsi? |
| 04:13.19 | xoz | err, irssi |
| 04:13.47 | benjamindees | probably |
| 04:13.58 | klikklak | antidrugue: not yet, but I thought that was relevant only to earlier nvidia installers.. I'm trying it now (any ideas is good by this stage :) |
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| 04:14.25 | Catoptromancy | Im in middle of install on the "partition disks" section I have option for "all files in one partition" and "desktop machine" ....I need a desktop. Not sure which ones best. |
| 04:14.32 | xoz | or is there any irc client over the web? |
| 04:14.49 | zinx | xoz: there are, yes |
| 04:15.03 | xoz | zinx: like? |
| 04:15.25 | antidrugue | klikklak : i though so too, but i'm getting all kinds of errors with the new nvidia installer too (1.0-8776) |
| 04:16.06 | klikklak | antidrugue: I'm trying 9625 and I failed an update to xorg 7.1.. that's what's causing all my problems |
| 04:16.15 | benjamindees | Catoptromancy, "desktop machine" is best unless you have a small hard drive |
| 04:16.25 | Catoptromancy | 6 mb HD |
| 04:16.31 | Catoptromancy | gig I mean |
| 04:17.14 | benjamindees | I would do desktop then unless you plan on installing everything |
| 04:17.32 | antidrugue | klikklak : 9625 worked for me on Sid but i had to install xorg develpment headers (as suggested by the installer) |
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| 04:17.45 | Catoptromancy | how much space is a full install? |
| 04:17.51 | Berdine | :O I did it. |
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| 04:18.15 | Berdine | I'm on a shiny new debian install :D |
| 04:18.19 | Catoptromancy | meh im going for it |
| 04:19.39 | liable | xoz: chatzilla? |
| 04:20.22 | liable | no idea what port it uses, would presume still 6667 |
| 04:20.22 | antidrugue | catoptromancy : my debian etch use 2G of space right now ( including 500 mb in /home) |
| 04:20.44 | xoz | liable: thanks, will try. our firewall does not allow irssi (with proxy) to work.. |
| 04:20.47 | Catoptromancy | etch? |
| 04:21.14 | antidrugue | catoptromancy : etch = testing, the next stable |
| 04:21.16 | Catoptromancy | I only very little space in this drive. Im mostly just going to play games and text files |
| 04:21.51 | Catoptromancy | Well I already selected desktop machine install, hoping it works good |
| 04:22.33 | antidrugue | catoptromancy : yes it should, but you can go much more minimal than that if you have too |
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| 04:23.17 | xoz | liable: still the firewall will not allow other protocols. maybe, if there is a java-enabled website that bridges irc-web, that may work. |
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| 04:27.07 | liable | xoz: no ssh? |
| 04:28.09 | xoz | liable: only http protocol/port pass-through |
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| 04:32.35 | d0uglas | anyone else getting desynching problems |
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| 04:35.11 | Berdine | I'm so impressed by my Debian install right now :D |
| 04:36.20 | d0uglas | i'd save i know the feeling |
| 04:36.22 | d0uglas | but i don't |
| 04:36.26 | d0uglas | s/save/say |
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| 04:37.01 | d0uglas | this last one was maybe my eighth install and i'm three weeks in and still tweaking things |
| 04:37.36 | ekkikrist | you're supposed to tweak it. |
| 04:37.54 | d0uglas | but that's all i use my laptop for |
| 04:37.55 | vulture | this is about my 4th install in 4 years.. - two within a few days of each other to get started, one due to a libc6 upgrade that I wasn't ready for, and another when I installed a new HDD.. |
| 04:37.57 | d0uglas | configuring debian |
| 04:38.10 | ekkikrist | and you will be happy when it is exactly how you like it :) |
| 04:38.12 | d0uglas | more than pron |
| 04:38.33 | d0uglas | i'm happy but every now and then people like abrotman points out how sad my life must be |
| 04:38.39 | d0uglas | and sometimes i think he's right |
| 04:39.14 | d0uglas | then i just distract myself from those dark thoughts by trolling for a weekend |
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| 04:39.29 | sanmarcos | what does load average mean? |
| 04:39.45 | mick_linux | people use debian for something else besides pron? |
| 04:39.47 | d0uglas | sanmarcos: the numbers reflect how long a process must wait to get executed |
| 04:39.51 | mick_linux | :D |
| 04:39.59 | d0uglas | each three are moving averages over different timespans |
| 04:40.02 | d0uglas | in seconds |
| 04:40.07 | sanmarcos | d0uglas: ahh thanks |
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| 04:40.11 | Catoptromancy | yay it appears to be working |
| 04:40.28 | d0uglas | sure buddy.. it's pretty cool isn't it.. load averages |
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| 04:41.04 | Blknight | /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 04:42.15 | tux | bye |
| 04:42.18 | d0uglas | knoppix spy |
| 04:42.24 | tux | what? |
| 04:42.29 | d0uglas | not you |
| 04:42.36 | d0uglas | bye tux |
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| 04:43.08 | d0uglas | woah was that some ipv6 stuff, that guy's host? |
| 04:43.15 | liable | yes |
| 04:43.20 | itchi | On webalizer i see an line useragent: Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 What's that for client? |
| 04:44.05 | liable | itchi: hrm, you run a repo? |
| 04:44.17 | itchi | liable: Oh yes |
| 04:44.27 | Danamania | sanmarcos: the numbers in a load average are averages over the last minute, 5 minutes and fifteen minutes - each number represents the number of processes currently executing or in wait to be executed |
| 04:44.31 | itchi | liable: That would be are the reason, just up now for some days ago |
| 04:44.56 | itchi | liable: Thanks ;-) |
| 04:45.03 | liable | np |
| 04:45.27 | Catoptromancy | hmmm |
| 04:45.59 | d0uglas | well i sure screwed that one up |
| 04:46.15 | Catoptromancy | Im stuck back at the command prompt |
| 04:46.38 | d0uglas | while you're there, y ou should try aview, the image to ascii renderer |
| 04:47.06 | Catoptromancy | Anyone have link to a complete list of commands? |
| 04:47.24 | d0uglas | !commands |
| 04:47.25 | dpkg | i guess commands is The Linux command reference may be found here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Command_Reference and here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html |
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| 04:48.42 | itchi | Yeah, somethings funny with aview http://onyx.chattanoogastate.edu/~jack/matrix/newprocess.html |
| 04:49.16 | d0uglas | man i wish i knew how to copy and paste things from the console to things in x |
| 04:49.44 | pipeline | d0uglas: You can't. |
| 04:49.46 | d0uglas | i'd just use xterm for irc but i just got framebuffer mode working and i love the high res |
| 04:49.57 | Catoptromancy | still cant get desktop loaded |
| 04:50.03 | pipeline | d0uglas: Framebuffer is evil. |
| 04:50.09 | itchi | Catoptromancy: What's the trouble with it? |
| 04:50.11 | pipeline | d0uglas: P.S.: Use GNU screen. |
| 04:50.11 | d0uglas | why's that |
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| 04:50.23 | pipeline | d0uglas: Poorly thought out to begin with. No time to go into it, here. |
| 04:50.25 | Catoptromancy | im at command prompt.... |
| 04:50.31 | JKnecht | this is teh most crowded # evah |
| 04:50.35 | Catoptromancy | i tried startx |
| 04:50.40 | d0uglas | pipeline: screen, huh... i'd use ttysnoop but i can't seem to "connect to server" or whatever and screen sounds like it has a tough learning curve |
| 04:51.03 | d0uglas | but i guess it's time to fire up the man pages |
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| 04:52.19 | itchi | d0uglas: It's easy to learn, and once learned, you can not imagine working without. Maybe can my 'screen' note help you?? http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=105 |
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| 04:52.46 | d0uglas | man that url is going to take me like twenty minutes to get into x |
| 04:52.53 | d0uglas | but i'll suck it up and do it |
| 04:53.09 | itchi | d0uglas: Wait, 60 seconds, i gona short it |
| 04:53.09 | d0uglas | i am going to get carple tunnle from the control alt f1ing |
| 04:53.14 | d0uglas | nice. |
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| 04:53.36 | itchi | Voila http://tinyurl.com/yyzr89 |
| 04:53.36 | d0uglas | someone's ircing as administ1ator |
| 04:53.42 | d0uglas | hey man thanks |
| 04:53.48 | d0uglas | i can handle that |
| 04:53.51 | Administ1ator | d0uglas: Administrator is a non-privileged account. |
| 04:54.14 | d0uglas | not if you're wining xp |
| 04:54.23 | pipeline | Why would I be doing that in debian? |
| 04:54.23 | d0uglas | well i guess you'd have to run wine as root |
| 04:54.31 | itchi | d0uglas: Some guys rename some accounts. To trap |
| 04:54.36 | pipeline | at any rate, I connected to Freenode inadvertantly; time to go to oftc. |
| 04:54.45 | d0uglas | for all i know you're wining win and running cygwin |
| 04:54.48 | pipeline | The ops here are excessively stupid |
| 04:54.52 | itchi | d0uglas: Mabye is his power user looked as an normal users. |
| 04:55.02 | pipeline | d0uglas: For all you know, I'm on S/370 and running CMS. |
| 04:55.15 | d0uglas | for all i know, i need to google that to get the joke |
| 04:55.27 | pipeline | Maybe, just maybe, I find it convenient when connecting to Windows VMs via ssh. |
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| 04:55.35 | d0uglas | but first things first, time for that tinyurl itchi gave me |
| 04:56.24 | liable | i dont get his comment about the ops here, there the same in oftc.. |
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| 04:58.02 | Catoptromancy | Hmm what command would I use to load the desktop? I have tried and searched everywhere |
| 04:58.20 | liable | Catoptromancy: what did you install? |
| 04:58.33 | d0uglas | do the ops here stay -o invoking it only when needed by some chanserv trick in order not to be harassed by people wanting to be opped? |
| 04:58.38 | Ketchup | how can i keep my system upgraded and updated, other than doing apt-get update/upgrade? |
| 04:58.41 | d0uglas | itchi: nice this page is perfect |
| 04:58.47 | Catoptromancy | 31r3-i386-binary-1 |
| 04:59.00 | itchi | d0uglas: Hope it give you an little intro, and so you are on the way ;-) |
| 04:59.13 | Catoptromancy | install it kept wanting to scan CDs so I used 4 I downloaded |
| 04:59.14 | liable | d0uglas: they stay -o because its annoying seeing all the @ |
| 04:59.20 | d0uglas | Ketchup: cron-apt |
| 04:59.21 | itchi | d0uglas: Just saw some many typo error's, oeps. Gona correct a bit |
| 04:59.39 | liable | Catoptromancy: did you install the desktop during install? |
| 04:59.46 | itchi | Ketchup: Heh, aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
| 04:59.47 | Catoptromancy | i selected desktop |
| 04:59.52 | d0uglas | yeah itchi there are one or two |
| 05:00.03 | itchi | Ketchup: At least, replace your apt with aptitude |
| 05:00.05 | liable | Catoptromancy: ok, you prolly have a misconfigured x |
| 05:00.11 | d0uglas | but the typos contrast with the excellent content and make it look even better imho |
| 05:00.21 | liable | Catoptromancy: whats /etc/init.d/gdm start do? |
| 05:00.36 | Ketchup | itchi: why aptitude instead of apt? |
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| 05:01.06 | d0uglas | umm why doesn't cron-apt make the most sense here |
| 05:01.18 | d0uglas | it's even apt-getable |
| 05:01.25 | itchi | Ketchup: apt is the old way, have some lesser power and depency troubleshooter |
| 05:02.15 | d0uglas | ehh you only need that with experimental and even then so-called dependency issues are FUD by the man |
| 05:02.54 | itchi | But when you upgrade to an new 'stable' release for example. IT will help you |
| 05:03.29 | d0uglas | from what would one upgrade to stable |
| 05:03.50 | Ketchup | itchi: wtf? lol ---> http://hustlin.allnight.nl:31337/aptitude.txt |
| 05:03.55 | Ketchup | itchi: check it out |
| 05:04.19 | d0uglas | port 31337 i gotta see this, time to get screen working |
| 05:04.58 | Ketchup | like i was talkin to d0uglas |
| 05:05.20 | d0uglas | no need to get wise ketchup |
| 05:05.36 | Ketchup | you started it |
| 05:05.51 | d0uglas | you mean when i tried to help you? |
| 05:06.08 | Catoptromancy | liable /etc/init.d/gdm start > no such file |
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| 05:06.09 | itchi | btw, aptitude manage also the packages that was required. So if you install with apt package foo and foo need bar. He install it. But when you remove foo, bar still leave. Aptitude manage this better and remove bar also |
| 05:06.45 | d0uglas | well they ought to make aptitude with an apt-like frontend |
| 05:06.45 | itchi | Or maybe packages that depend one that. I mix these both always :-/ |
| 05:07.07 | itchi | Ketchup: is that link been working ? |
| 05:07.11 | Ketchup | itchi: did you check that link? so i don't need them packages? |
| 05:07.18 | Ketchup | itchi: yes |
| 05:07.34 | itchi | oh wait, firewall |
| 05:08.28 | itchi | nope, not working |
| 05:08.56 | kb3ien | back |
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| 05:10.31 | itchi | arg and nl is realy near :-p |
| 05:10.57 | Ketchup | itchi: worked for me |
| 05:11.14 | kb3ien | i still dont know what im doing with the ati card. |
| 05:11.40 | itchi | kb3ien: Config it?? |
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| 05:12.18 | d0uglas | kb3ien: which ati card |
| 05:12.27 | Ketchup | itchi: |
| 05:12.28 | kb3ien | itchi trying. its a rage128. |
| 05:12.30 | Ketchup | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 106 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 05:12.30 | Ketchup | Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 305MB will be freed. |
| 05:12.34 | Ketchup | that's what it says |
| 05:12.43 | sanmarcos | YES! |
| 05:12.57 | d0uglas | kb3ien: did you get the rage128 module going in modconf? |
| 05:13.01 | Ketchup | itll remove anything including synaptic |
| 05:13.15 | kb3ien | itchi: modconf? |
| 05:13.43 | d0uglas | there's also xserver-xorg-video-ati which you may want to check out |
| 05:13.55 | d0uglas | then again you may be able to get it fired up without that |
| 05:14.03 | d0uglas | i'd start with modconf, apt-get it |
| 05:14.15 | itchi | Ketchup: Yes, like you had not yet first install all these stuff with aptitude. Now aptitude think that these packages are orphaned. So aptitude want to remove these stuff |
| 05:14.55 | itchi | kb3ien: It's an tool to help you to select some modules to load at boot time. Very usefull. It's ala cli curses bassed interface |
| 05:15.12 | d0uglas | itchi: in that situation though would it do the aptitude equiv of --purging them or could he just pop them back up and not lose whatever configurations he did |
| 05:15.52 | d0uglas | (if that made any sense) |
| 05:15.54 | itchi | Config files are never removed if you not ask implicity to remove it with purge |
| 05:16.09 | fattyp | After dist-upgrade I've got a authentification failure in apt. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 05:16.18 | kb3ien | hrm, the conf file is : http://www.databit7.com/XF86Config-4 the errors are http://www.databit7.com/XFree86.0.log |
| 05:16.21 | fattyp | dist-upgrage from Sarge to Etch |
| 05:16.44 | itchi | Yeah, it's a bit of shit in the begin, if you have use an while apt and then move to aptitude :-/ But once managed. You will gain some space. Like apt almost not remove all the packages |
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| 05:17.48 | itchi | kb3ien: The things that are interested in your log is the lines beging with (EE) |
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| 05:18.16 | Ketchup | itchi: so what should i do? |
| 05:18.17 | kb3ien | yes, i know those are the errors, but i dont know how to interpret them. |
| 05:18.18 | itchi | BusID"PCI:0:14:0" |
| 05:18.19 | itchi | ?? |
| 05:18.33 | kb3ien | hrm what should it read? |
| 05:18.37 | Ketchup | itchi: i use apt all the time |
| 05:18.49 | kb3ien | 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RE/SG |
| 05:19.01 | kb3ien | do i have that wrong? |
| 05:19.05 | itchi | Ketchup: Note down the apps you still need, and install these again with aptitude and continue to use aptitude. Or maybe cancel and not make use of aptitude |
| 05:19.24 | itchi | kb3ien: Looks good so, but was a bit wondering about it |
| 05:20.08 | itchi | kb3ien: I think, i have say somethings wrong |
| 05:20.20 | Ketchup | itchi: i think ill stick with apt |
| 05:20.25 | itchi | kb3ien: It's the last part that are important i think, the '0' |
| 05:20.40 | kb3ien | the parser seems to ignore it, and one this is for sure, it cannot find a screen. |
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| 05:21.01 | itchi | Ketchup: bwa, to be honnest, you need to take an choice. Take the best one, and maybe, take these that are now 'frequent'?? |
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| 05:21.38 | itchi | kb3ien: Try with bus id empty? |
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| 05:23.05 | kb3ien | No devices detected |
| 05:23.11 | itchi | kb3ien: Normally you need to leave video ram empty too. Just fill it if you have some troubles |
| 05:23.18 | kb3ien | Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 05:23.24 | Ketchup | itchi: that's like 30+ packages, and how do i know which is which? |
| 05:23.25 | Ketchup | lol |
| 05:24.04 | itchi | Ketchup: You can check the dpkg log, parse it and install it back with aptitude. bwa there are so many ways you can take as you want |
| 05:24.27 | itchi | kb3ien: Hold on, tchecking some things |
| 05:25.42 | kb3ien | this is also a via framebuffer on this system, for the ttys |
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| 05:31.41 | itchi | kb3ien: I not yet find somethings strange, maybe i not see somethings. I continue to look too |
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| 05:36.42 | kb3ien | why does startx bitch that "hostname: Unknown host" |
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| 05:41.20 | kb3ien | well i added the hostname to /etc/hosts and it eliminated the error, but x still cant see screen. |
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| 05:42.42 | sanmarcos | awesome, with mplayer and a complex system of mirrors I can watch TV while I am taking a shit |
| 05:42.50 | kb3ien | i tried insmod r128, seemed to load something, but no avail. |
| 05:43.21 | itchi | kb3ien: modconf will help you to browse in the available modules |
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| 05:43.47 | itchi | kb3ien: I still not see what could be are the problem |
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| 05:44.06 | moustachu | bye |
| 05:45.58 | psychonate | sanmarcos, I'd be really impressed if you could reflect it into the toilet water and watch TV with your head down. |
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| 05:46.24 | sanmarcos | psychonate: toilet water isnt that reflective |
| 05:46.34 | sanmarcos | its brown or yellow, I mean |
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| 05:46.41 | sanmarcos | I mean, if you had some hardcore lighting |
| 05:46.44 | psychonate | sanmarcos, that's one of the reasons I'd be impressed. Throw in some additives |
| 05:46.51 | sanmarcos | awesome |
| 05:47.07 | psychonate | or a mirror at the bottom |
| 05:47.12 | psychonate | I dunno |
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| 05:48.11 | psychonate | I was surprised to find out that the original Scarface is better than De Palma's |
| 05:49.17 | sanmarcos | scarface is awesome |
| 05:49.22 | sanmarcos | I love the scene at the restaurant |
| 05:49.25 | sanmarcos | I identify with it |
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| 05:49.43 | psychonate | sanmarcos, which Scarface? |
| 05:49.55 | sanmarcos | the famous one |
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| 05:50.20 | psychonate | I admit it's damn good, but I'm extremely impressed with the 1932 Scarface |
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| 05:51.35 | Tom_ | howdy |
| 05:53.08 | oblio | anyone have any ideas on a good way to have my terminal default to reverse video when it boots up? terminal only? heh. |
| 05:53.19 | oblio | the console, that is |
| 05:53.41 | d0uglas | you want a white console?? |
| 05:53.53 | ekkikrist | migraine inducing.. |
| 05:54.13 | ekkikrist | to quote milhouse: ow! my rods and cones |
| 05:54.13 | d0uglas | just use gpm and highlight everything every time someone says something |
| 05:54.22 | d0uglas | heh |
| 05:54.29 | oblio | console-tools may help me |
| 05:54.42 | d0uglas | oh you said "good" ideas |
| 05:54.44 | itchi | kb3ien: Sorry i can not help you, i not find somethings |
| 05:54.45 | ekkikrist | help me console-tools, you're my only hope |
| 05:55.14 | oblio | :-) |
| 05:55.26 | oblio | it was more a curiousity for me than anything else |
| 05:55.38 | oblio | also since i'm stuck using the console on this machine, and i usually use a white background |
| 05:55.39 | itchi | oblio: Need you that in 'high contrast'? |
| 05:55.46 | d0uglas | i wonder what would happen if you could use screen to grab an irc session from the console in x and then make a video of it with vlc or something and then stream the output through aview to get an ascii representation |
| 05:55.47 | oblio | so rather than change my muttrc |
| 05:55.48 | d0uglas | would that work |
| 05:56.25 | d0uglas | how else would i waste my cpu ... seti @ home?? |
| 05:56.38 | ekkikrist | java |
| 05:56.50 | d0uglas | heh java perfect |
| 05:57.18 | itchi | d0uglas: Maybe use that for medical researches?? |
| 05:57.50 | d0uglas | they should use me for medical researches |
| 05:58.08 | itchi | d0uglas: lol, but there are the same things for other researches btw |
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| 05:58.25 | d0uglas | like? |
| 05:58.30 | kb3ien | itchi: thanks. |
| 05:58.38 | oblio | isn't there a tool to change your font in console mode? |
| 05:58.48 | itchi | kb3ien: ;-) If i had could help you ... ;-) |
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| 05:58.58 | d0uglas | oblio: i wish i could get a tool to change my font in x to the console font |
| 05:59.03 | d0uglas | they all seem to fall short |
| 05:59.35 | d0uglas | why can't i get a good looking xterm in fullscreen mode without boarders |
| 05:59.41 | oblio | heh |
| 05:59.46 | d0uglas | am i reaching for the stars here |
| 05:59.59 | itchi | d0uglas: I not find that old url back. But there are various things, what i remember was medical researches |
| 06:00.19 | Berdine | Argh.... I changed the firefoxrc file and it's still apparently not working :3 |
| 06:00.31 | d0uglas | ahh belgium.. i was wondering where you'd be from that you'd say researches |
| 06:00.32 | d0uglas | :) |
| 06:00.47 | oblio | oh here's one... bluetooth |
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| 06:01.43 | d0uglas | isn't bluetooth that thing so you can use your cellphone with some earpiece thing wirelessly while still being able to give your balls radiation |
| 06:01.58 | oblio | that or for mice and keyboards |
| 06:02.01 | oblio | i was just thinking outloud |
| 06:02.07 | oblio | i need to figure out wtf to pair a bt mouse |
| 06:02.09 | ekkikrist | d0uglas: If you like big ol xterms consider changing your window manager to ion, ratpoison, wmii, dwm, etc. |
| 06:02.18 | oblio | my laptop died and i'm on my file server for the next week i guess |
| 06:02.26 | d0uglas | ekkikrist: ok i will try that |
| 06:02.30 | oblio | i don't even have a standard ps2 or usb mouse anymore |
| 06:02.40 | d0uglas | i'd like to know why everybody says framebuffer mode is whack |
| 06:02.42 | oblio | but i just happened to have a belkin usb bluetooth adapter |
| 06:02.52 | oblio | framebuffer mode is the heat bro, don't listen to the fools |
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| 06:03.09 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 06:03.11 | itchi | oblio: You can use your keyboard to point the mouse. Not ask me howto |
| 06:03.15 | schitzo | sup |
| 06:03.20 | unixslut | hey |
| 06:03.20 | SPOPPO | Hello |
| 06:03.29 | lkthomas | is there have any php iptables script generator and monitor program around ? |
| 06:04.11 | itchi | lkthomas: As last solution, webmin |
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| 06:04.33 | lkthomas | itchi: LOL, personally hate webmin :) |
| 06:05.24 | itchi | lkthomas: Why hate you it if you are looking to an web interface to manage iptable? |
| 06:05.25 | d0uglas | hmm wmii is an x11 window manager "usable with keyboard and mouse" |
| 06:05.28 | SPOPPO | I'll find out |
| 06:05.32 | schitzo | confidential |
| 06:05.35 | d0uglas | that must be top secret debian experimental technology |
| 06:06.33 | cjari | hi, I'm in the debians console graphics like package selector but when I pressed enter to view an item I cannot get back anymore, so does any one know how to get to previous screen? |
| 06:06.40 | lkthomas | itchi: webmin are boated |
| 06:06.50 | amphi | wmii is certainly expermimental ;) I found it very slow and buggy the last time I tried it |
| 06:06.54 | ekkikrist | I think the emphasis was meant to be placed on keyboard. You don't drag windows around all the time. |
| 06:07.09 | ekkikrist | You re-position them with the keyboard. |
| 06:07.15 | feross | hey, vi is acting funny, like when in 'insert' mode I can't press up or down keys to move. It starts outputting crap to the text file. I'm using Gnome terminal.. is there anything in the encoding that I could change? |
| 06:07.16 | itchi | lkthomas: Yup, i know, maybe take just some parts of the code that are interested for you?? |
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| 06:07.43 | d0uglas | hmm ratpoisen appears to have an entry in apt-cache but it is blank |
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| 06:08.01 | lkthomas | itchi: hmm |
| 06:08.17 | Berdine | Does anyone have a solution for lack of flash sound in firefox? I tried the whole thing about changing it to aoss in the firefoxrc file, it doesn't seem to have worked... ^^; |
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| 06:08.47 | d0uglas | did you try a different browser or sound server? |
| 06:09.20 | zophyx | all my programs that use gtk are little showing boxes instead of the text that should be showing up for menus and window titles etc. |
| 06:09.24 | zophyx | why ? |
| 06:09.44 | lkthomas | LOL, is there have any choice other than iptables firewall on linux ? |
| 06:09.55 | streuner_ | Berdine: did you try mozilla's navigator and the package out of debian yet? |
| 06:10.05 | zophyx | this is after upgrading etch |
| 06:10.12 | mick_linux | lkthomas, having ipfw as a gw before the linux box |
| 06:10.27 | mick_linux | otherwise on linux, netfilter is it afaik |
| 06:11.04 | niles | whats wrong with ip tables |
| 06:11.26 | streuner_ | Berdine: s/mozilla's navigator/mozilla's navigator package (mozilla)/ |
| 06:11.29 | amphi | lkthomas: LOL, no |
| 06:12.02 | Berdine | streuner, ? Since I don't know what you're talking about... Do you mean the 'mozilla browser' that comes installed already? |
| 06:12.29 | streuner_ | Berdine: yes |
| 06:12.48 | NiCeBoY | anyone can help please when am doing apt-get update am getting Err http://ftp.freenet.de stable/main Packages & Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.freenet.de' jow can i solve it plz? |
| 06:12.59 | Berdine | streuner, it doesn't have flash sound either ^^ |
| 06:13.06 | itchi | lkthomas: It's build in the kernel |
| 06:13.21 | sanmarcos | what happened to /etc/modules.conf in recent versions? |
| 06:13.22 | sanmarcos | its gone? |
| 06:13.23 | lkthomas | isn't ipfw support in linux too ? |
| 06:13.55 | streuner_ | Berdine: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:13.58 | itchi | NiCeBoY: Taken another mirror |
| 06:14.16 | NiCeBoY | itchi am trying |
| 06:15.04 | Berdine | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 06:15.28 | itchi | d0uglas: And are you ready with 'screen' now? |
| 06:15.32 | NiCeBoY | itchi am getting the same error i try to change FTP to heep and i try now |
| 06:15.46 | streuner_ | Berdine: hm, iam using the package out of unstable. |
| 06:15.58 | streuner_ | Berdine: (flash plugin) |
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| 06:16.11 | Zmanu | hello |
| 06:16.13 | itchi | NiCeBoY: Is there not the an word missing in your url?? |
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| 06:16.22 | Zmanu | what must i install to have xorgcfg ? |
| 06:16.30 | NiCeBoY | itchi no |
| 06:16.38 | streuner_ | !drxx Zmanu |
| 06:16.38 | dpkg | Zmanu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:16.41 | Berdine | streuner_, I just let it install the plugin when firefox asked... Maybe that's the problem? |
| 06:16.57 | itchi | NiCeBoY: Try with deb ftp://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/debian/ etch main for example |
| 06:16.59 | Zmanu | streuner_: thanks, i always forget dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:17.00 | streuner_ | Berdine: sure :-) |
| 06:17.19 | NiCeBoY | ok |
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| 06:17.29 | d0uglas | itchi: still reading |
| 06:17.43 | itchi | NiCeBoY: Normally your url should be somethings like that http://ftp.freenet.de/debian/ |
| 06:17.48 | streuner_ | Berdine: so binaries, it doesn't work for me either... |
| 06:18.27 | NiCeBoY | yes itchi it is |
| 06:18.35 | d0uglas | ok step one install screen... check |
| 06:18.37 | itchi | d0uglas: I have already correct some errors. But gona sync the data tomorrow, need to check first some things before |
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| 06:19.09 | d0uglas | thanks by the way |
| 06:19.23 | itchi | d0uglas: ;-) |
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| 06:19.51 | d0uglas | itchi: i can't /exec screen from bitchx? i must be connected to a terminal? |
| 06:19.54 | NiCeBoY | !paster |
| 06:19.54 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 06:19.56 | eggleston | my sound has completely stopped working for no discernable reason. does anyone have any suggestions why? |
| 06:19.56 | d0uglas | seems to work in the console |
| 06:20.19 | d0uglas | itchi: and do i have to start individual screen sessions for each console tty |
| 06:20.20 | cjari | I cannot figure how to get to previous screen in aptitude after pressiing enter to view an item? |
| 06:20.29 | streuner_ | eggleston: cat /proc/version |
| 06:20.41 | itchi | d0uglas: yup, just in an console type 'screen' |
| 06:20.43 | NiCeBoY | itchi here is the problem am getting http://channels.debian.net/paste/4265 |
| 06:20.54 | d0uglas | so there's no way around quitting irc huh |
| 06:21.14 | itchi | d0uglas: You only start one screen session, example screen -S work irssi |
| 06:21.18 | d0uglas | gotta restart |
| 06:21.18 | d0uglas | time to activate the disco lights again |
| 06:21.34 | itchi | d0uglas: Then you open some other windows in that screen session, and there you go |
| 06:21.35 | eggleston | streuner, Linux version 2.6.17-2-686 (Debian 2.6.17-8~bpo.1) (nobse@backports.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Fri Sep 8 20:25:32 UTC 2006 |
| 06:21.54 | d0uglas | i'm gonna continue to read a little more of your page |
| 06:21.57 | d0uglas | nice font and layout btw |
| 06:22.13 | streuner_ | eggleston: why not just re-run 'alsaconf'? |
| 06:22.34 | itchi | NiCeBoY: Did you apt-get update before? |
| 06:22.39 | eggleston | streuner, OSS isn't working either |
| 06:23.00 | itchi | d0uglas: Belgiums style :-p You are at home there |
| 06:23.08 | d0uglas | brb |
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| 06:23.34 | d0uglas | all right i'm in |
| 06:23.41 | streuner_ | eggleston: if you try to play a soundfile what happens (show us the error in paster bot)? |
| 06:23.57 | NiCeBoY | yes itchi |
| 06:24.11 | itchi | NiCeBoY: That box have been Internet connection? |
| 06:24.39 | NiCeBoY | itchi yes its distant am on ssh |
| 06:24.46 | d0uglas | woah |
| 06:24.49 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 06:24.49 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 06:24.54 | d0uglas | control a a |
| 06:25.02 | itchi | NiCeBoY: And with the kuleuven url in also not work? |
| 06:25.24 | NiCeBoY | wai i retry |
| 06:25.24 | itchi | d0uglas: Read more, you will see how usefull it is ;-) |
| 06:26.29 | eggleston | streuner, okay alsaconf fixed it. thanks dude. don't know why it broke though. d oyou? |
| 06:26.54 | itchi | eggleston: dude ... |
| 06:27.22 | d0uglas | itchi: quick question.. now that i'm in with screen how can i suck this console into an xterm |
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| 06:27.49 | itchi | d0uglas: I not understadn |
| 06:28.15 | itchi | d0uglas: You have already run screen in xterm? |
| 06:28.31 | d0uglas | i'm in the console mode like x never started.. i want to go into x and open an xterm and somehow connect to what i would otherwise see if i hit control alt f1 |
| 06:28.52 | d0uglas | know what i mean? |
| 06:29.13 | itchi | d0uglas: Nope, he, not forget that my english is very very bad |
| 06:29.33 | d0uglas | Hmm. i'm not sure how to rephrase this any better |
| 06:29.39 | d0uglas | anybody know what i'm trying to say? |
| 06:29.42 | jair | dhey, guys is out there a good guide and (actual) guide to compile a kernel using debian? and I wonder if use 2.6 instead 2.4 |
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| 06:30.22 | streuner_ | jair: newbiedoc.sf.net (Section KERNEL-HOWTO) |
| 06:30.41 | NiCeBoY | itchi the same problem get a look @ http://channels.debian.net/paste/4266 |
| 06:30.41 | jair | streuner_: thanks |
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| 06:31.39 | amphi | d0uglas: you want to be able to read and write to VT1 from X? |
| 06:32.28 | itchi | NiCeBoY: Dunno |
| 06:32.47 | itchi | NiCeBoY: Maybe post your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 06:33.00 | Berdine | Is there more than one firefoxrc file? :3 |
| 06:33.29 | NiCeBoY | ok itchi wait. u think they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 06:33.43 | itchi | d0uglas: Maybe, you want to detacht that screen session (ctrl-a d) and reatach it in tty1?? (screen -r) |
| 06:34.29 | itchi | crazy typo's :-p |
| 06:35.02 | itchi | d0uglas: I still not understand what you wanted |
| 06:35.34 | amphi | itchi: nor me |
| 06:36.11 | itchi | amphi: Maybe some troubles with the disco lights ;-) |
| 06:36.30 | itchi | Still not know about that disco lights |
| 06:36.52 | NiCeBoY | itchi here it is http://channels.debian.net/paste/4267 |
| 06:37.09 | itchi | I not what about that joke that are running over the week-end |
| 06:37.15 | itchi | arg |
| 06:37.23 | wols_ | !sunday |
| 06:37.24 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 06:37.28 | itchi | s/not/not\ know/ |
| 06:37.52 | itchi | wols_: Yeah, probably ;-) |
| 06:38.37 | cjari | is it possible to run the base system configuration / install remotely via ssh? |
| 06:38.44 | NiCeBoY | itchi and also its not resolving https.. when i do any wget |
| 06:38.55 | Danamania | heh. http://www.msfirefox.com/ |
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| 06:39.18 | itchi | NiCeBoY: An firewall trouble? |
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| 06:39.24 | jair | streuner_: that document is good but little outdated :( |
| 06:39.30 | amphi | itchi: heh |
| 06:39.43 | NiCeBoY | no itchi |
| 06:39.56 | streuner_ | jair: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
| 06:40.15 | itchi | amphi: yes |
| 06:40.26 | NiCeBoY | itchi E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 06:40.34 | NiCeBoY | what does it mean itchi |
| 06:41.26 | itchi | NiCeBoY: That he have not get the Packages.gz file with the informations of the packages(version, packages names/info and so) |
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| 06:41.45 | jair | streuner_: that is the one i am reading, it is using the kernel 2.4 :( old |
| 06:41.52 | NiCeBoY | ok |
| 06:42.29 | jair | streuner_: I will follow this one instead: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en |
| 06:42.32 | streuner_ | jair: feel free to update the HOWTO |
| 06:42.47 | jair | streuner_: I will :) |
| 06:43.15 | jair | I am prepaing the requirements etc.. |
| 06:43.23 | jair | preparing |
| 06:43.24 | streuner_ | jair: the last sentence in the URL mentioned all things :-P |
| 06:43.32 | itchi | Danamania: Is that officially true? |
| 06:44.08 | jair | streuner_: thank you |
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| 06:46.33 | itchi | Danamania: Looks like of an 21 years old, Female, 29 PALMS, CALIFORNIA |
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| 06:50.20 | amphi | heh |
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| 06:54.18 | itchi | |ac3|: Already up, waw |
| 06:57.45 | itchi | </pause> |
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| 06:58.02 | itchi | Is XGL not yet available? Also not an unofficial repo? |
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| 07:02.44 | itchi | According to the wiki.debian, i can forget it right now i guess, or need to compile it of source. bwa, no matters then, just wanted to give that an little try |
| 07:02.59 | rk | I've got a broken raid, 1 disk boots, the other doesn't. I used Norton Ghost to copy the good disk. The newly copied disk doesn't boot...is there a reason why? |
| 07:03.47 | rk | I don't want to boot up the machine with both drives because I don't know which drive is going to try to sync against and I don't want to ruin the running disk at this point. |
| 07:03.54 | itchi | rk: It's the raid system that duplicate the hdd |
| 07:04.11 | rk | How do you know which hdd syncs to what? |
| 07:04.52 | rk | I mean if I throw in a clean hdd, it's smart enough to not sync over the actual running system |
| 07:05.07 | itchi | rk: cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 07:05.43 | rk | ok |
| 07:06.01 | rk | md0 active raid ..... 63360 blocks [3/1] [_U_] |
| 07:06.15 | rk | i have the machine booted off the good hdd right now. the other hdd is unplugged |
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| 07:06.39 | rk | (raid1) |
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| 07:07.19 | itchi | rk: Is it software raid? |
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| 07:07.43 | rk | yes |
| 07:07.44 | itchi | rk: Pay many attention, not take any risk. btw i'm not yet so familiar with raid systems |
| 07:07.59 | itchi | rk: Have you some spare disks? |
| 07:08.03 | rk | yep |
| 07:08.22 | rk | i tried norton ghost (cloning the good hdd) but when i try to single boot that drive, it doesn't boot. |
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| 07:08.27 | rk | it's clone for heaven's sake |
| 07:08.32 | itchi | At least euh, 3 hdd's? To duplicates the both and the third to test |
| 07:08.52 | rk | i have plenty of hdd's |
| 07:09.10 | rk | but after cloning a hdd, shouldn't they be identical? |
| 07:09.17 | itchi | rk: The software raid place somewhere some data to identify the hdd i think |
| 07:09.18 | rk | to the T so to speak |
| 07:09.25 | rk | hmm |
| 07:10.20 | itchi | rk: Normally it should be exacltly identical |
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| 07:10.39 | rk | yeah as i figured. |
| 07:10.45 | itchi | rk: Maybe he take the s/n or whatever, i not realy know |
| 07:11.26 | liable | rk: why are you cloning it? why arent you just repairing the raid?? |
| 07:12.08 | itchi | I'm a bit affraid about that clonig, hope you get it right for the first time. Like the cloning not work |
| 07:12.57 | itchi | Yeah, like liable tell. You know which one is broken? |
| 07:13.05 | rk | primary |
| 07:13.16 | itchi | rk: So replace it? |
| 07:13.32 | rk | i have one drive that's working... secondary drive. |
| 07:13.39 | rk | when i make it primary drive, it boots. |
| 07:13.39 | itchi | rk: Hopes you did some test before and the raid is working right |
| 07:13.40 | liable | replace the disk, repair the raid, thats the whole point of it.. |
| 07:14.39 | rk | so if i leave my secondary drive (which is now primary because it's the only one booting) in, i can throw my old primary drive into secondary slot and boot up... |
| 07:14.47 | liable | rk: more likely your bios than the raid setup |
| 07:15.26 | rk | how does it know which drive is the good drive when repairing the raid? |
| 07:15.43 | itchi | rk: He write somethings special on the disk, forget the term |
| 07:16.18 | rk | if i can, i'll start from the beginning...about 4pm today. |
| 07:16.54 | liable | rk: first, your raid setup has three disks? |
| 07:17.07 | rk | i trashed first 512 bytes off the primary raid drive accidentally (don't ask). i tried to fix with dd'ing the secondary raid drive's first 512 bytes (mbr) to no avail. |
| 07:17.44 | itchi | rk: What are you doing?? |
| 07:17.49 | rk | no, my raid setup has 2, but with a 3rd one for backup purproses once a month. |
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| 07:19.10 | rk | i'm mainly leary of this...i cannot boot the original primary raid drive. i can boot the original secondary raid drive though. i have since switched the old secondary drive to the primary slot and the original primary to the secondary slot. |
| 07:20.45 | rk | i am wanting to know if i go forth with booting the system as it is.. will the secondary (the corrupt drive) sync backup properly... |
| 07:22.35 | itchi | rk: That's the goal of raid systems. |
| 07:22.59 | rk | how does it know which one is corrupt? |
| 07:23.15 | itchi | rk: Did you some test when you have setup your raid? I mean, simulate failings |
| 07:23.30 | itchi | rk: I have already say |
| 07:23.49 | rk | e.g., how does it know which drive holds the good data and which drive holds the bad data? |
| 07:25.05 | liable | mdadm -a /dev/hdfoo; |
| 07:25.19 | liable | add that disk and it should start rebuilding |
| 07:25.38 | itchi | rk, maybe format that trashed thing?? |
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| 07:25.56 | liable | rk: the raid at this point only has one drive in it. when you add the second it should rebuild |
| 07:26.02 | anuvismh | http://radiocanal96.cl/radio/admin.php |
| 07:26.10 | liable | you can see that from the mdadm output |
| 07:26.13 | itchi | anuvismh: And ?? |
| 07:26.16 | rk | ok |
| 07:26.46 | rk | i think if i just put a new hdd, can i just use raidhotadd? |
| 07:27.28 | kb3ien | hrm. the ati card wasnt working out, so i tried a Riva from nvidia. that too doesn't work under debian. (although i was able to get the ttys on it), but this card works fine under netbsd. |
| 07:27.43 | kb3ien | x generates the same error messages. |
| 07:27.43 | liable | you need to partition it first, but -a should add it to the array |
| 07:28.01 | rk | ok |
| 07:28.36 | kb3ien | im watching cowboybeebop and robot chicken! this can wait. |
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| 07:29.36 | anuvismh | that it programs as brutus I can use to enter |
| 07:29.58 | itchi | anuvismh: And in English? |
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| 07:30.30 | sanmarcos | YES!! |
| 07:30.32 | anuvismh | the admin is for ftp radiocanal96.cl |
| 07:31.03 | itchi | kb3ien: I guess you have try with the vga driver at low resolution and depth |
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| 07:31.41 | anuvismh | enter force to the site |
| 07:31.47 | anuvismh | ?? |
| 07:31.59 | itchi | anuvismh: Hey, what are you telling or doing? |
| 07:33.09 | anuvismh | to learn |
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| 07:34.12 | liable | anuvismh: whats this have to do with debian? |
| 07:35.17 | liable | anuvismh: go try #h4x0r5 |
| 07:36.19 | anuvismh | #xforce |
| 07:37.06 | anuvismh | liable: #xforce |
| 07:37.15 | liable | eh? |
| 07:37.21 | anuvismh | #xforce |
| 07:37.32 | liable | go away |
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| 07:38.58 | yojimbo-san | I have a system where I think some library files have been damaged; is there an apt option that will check the files on disk against what's in the package itself? |
| 07:40.10 | liable | hrm, i thought there was a debmd5sum |
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| 07:41.43 | itchi | Is there an reason that boa-constructor is gone in Etch? I not find any info why |
| 07:41.50 | dondelelcaro | yojimbo-san: just cd /; md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/foopkg.md5sums; |
| 07:42.19 | dondelelcaro | s#dpkg#&/info# |
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| 07:42.34 | liable | itchi: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing |
| 07:42.53 | yojimbo-san | I was sort-of remembering something like 'cruft', but can't find it ... |
| 07:42.53 | yojimbo-san | I want to check all packages that may have installed in /lib, rather than each individual one ... but I guess I could always script up a dpkg -l into dpkg -L|grep /lib ... ;-) |
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| 07:43.31 | liable | i could have sworn there was a debian specific way to do that (easily) |
| 07:43.45 | michae1 | Does someone know how I can get a custom resolution to work with the nvidia-glx drivers? |
| 07:43.48 | itchi | liable: Heh, that work with every package, nice tip man ;-) |
| 07:44.06 | liable | itchi: dpkg is a smart bot :) |
| 07:44.35 | itchi | liable: Yeah, did some search on it, but not finded that helpfull thing you gave |
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| 07:46.09 | renewbie | hi, I don't want debian to start bind9 at bootup how can I stop it? |
| 07:47.18 | wols_ | !sysvinit |
| 07:47.19 | dpkg | from memory, sysvinit is zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
| 07:47.55 | yojimbo-san | dondelelcaro: OK, I'll have a look in there :-) thanks |
| 07:48.30 | itchi | hhhmm, i not realy understand, looks like in Sid, boa-constructor is available. If i been understand the info. It's because boa-constructor depend on python << 2.4 but 2.4.3-11 is installed on Etch and Sid. |
| 07:48.55 | dondelelcaro | itchi: that generally means that boa-constructor needs to be rebuilt. |
| 07:49.26 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I guess i need to be are a bit more patient? |
| 07:49.57 | dondelelcaro | itchi: either that, or check the bts, and provide a patch that enables it to be built against the current python setup |
| 07:50.12 | dondelelcaro | itchi: I suggest not being patient, and pitching in and helping. |
| 07:50.28 | michae1 | How do I get a custom resolution to work with the nvidia-glx drivers? |
| 07:50.32 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Gona look a bit, i not sure if i can help, but we never know ;-) |
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| 07:50.53 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it may just be a matter of apt-get source; fix the control, rebuild, and the install... |
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| 07:52.42 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I'm little bit experienced in debuild , but very little. But it will be interesting to look to it. Like i'm learning about packaging :-) |
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| 07:54.00 | renewbie | thanks folks |
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| 07:54.53 | wols_ | Ironhand: IIRC sourceforge boa constructor runs with 2.4. With 2.5 it might have slight problems tho |
| 07:55.19 | liable | renewbie: remove the symlink from rc2.d (or it prolly has an option if you reconfigure it, or in /etc/default) |
| 07:55.27 | wols_ | sometimes I think boa is dead, takes so long between any updates |
| 07:56.11 | liable | renewbie: or just remove it... |
| 07:56.14 | itchi | wols_: Maybe the maintainer?? |
| 07:57.04 | dondelelcaro | itchi: cool |
| 07:57.47 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah, so cool Debian GNU/Linux :-p |
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| 07:59.05 | itchi | Or is it better that i replace the control file with ar? |
| 07:59.23 | itchi | Looks simply to solve, at first aspect. At first ... |
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| 08:01.36 | dondelelcaro | itchi: nah, you want to rebuild it. |
| 08:01.56 | d0uglas | i'm trying to get aview fired up but it gives me this error, Invalid magic-not p?m family format |
| 08:02.03 | itchi | dondelelcaro: With debuild? |
| 08:02.06 | d0uglas | i do believe i have imagemagick |
| 08:02.10 | dondelelcaro | itchi: or just fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
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| 08:02.21 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: that's talking about the magick number. |
| 08:02.38 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: for whatever reason, it can't find the right magick number in that file. Try using display foofile; first. |
| 08:02.39 | d0uglas | is there a simple solution? |
| 08:02.43 | d0uglas | ok |
| 08:02.44 | dondelelcaro | (or file foofile) |
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| 08:03.50 | d0uglas | foofile.png pops right up no problem |
| 08:04.04 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: then aview just sucks. Try feh instead. |
| 08:04.11 | d0uglas | ok |
| 08:04.35 | dondelelcaro | (oh wait; you want it in ascii apparently... um... not sure about that one.) |
| 08:06.01 | d0uglas | well how am i supposed to decorate slashdot with beautiful ascii art... vi? :P |
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| 08:07.22 | wols_ | !stab samba |
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| 08:08.22 | _fjh_ | Hi, I recently installed Debian/testing from scratch. But I cannot find why some kernel modules (network card) are loaded and I cannot find where to specify module parameters! |
| 08:08.39 | _fjh_ | It seems to work now from cmd line, but not while booting. |
| 08:08.52 | itchi | dondelelcaro: oh coooool, boa-constructor is installed :-p |
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| 08:09.03 | Guerin | _fjh_: echo modulename >> /etc/modules |
| 08:09.03 | wols_ | _fjh_: it uses udev |
| 08:09.09 | wols_ | /etc/udev or such |
| 08:09.40 | MrNaz | im overseas and have been incommunicado for a while... is etch stable now? if not whats the latest eta? |
| 08:09.43 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Okay, now i need to know a bit more about rebuilding. Like i did that with ar. I'm missing some knowledges on the methods you have say to do |
| 08:09.54 | _fjh_ | wols_: So udev is probing my hardware and inserting modules for my network card 3c59x if it detects one? |
| 08:09.55 | Guerin | MrNaz: december |
| 08:10.04 | liable | likely.. |
| 08:10.10 | MrNaz | Guerin thanks |
| 08:10.49 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I'm a bit confused of the differents way to accomplish it. |
| 08:11.03 | _fjh_ | Guerin, my system does it without such lines. Automatically. |
| 08:11.14 | wols_ | _fjh_: yes |
| 08:11.22 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I have just change the 'depend' line in the control file. |
| 08:11.36 | d0uglas | hot damn more people are +b than are in the channel |
| 08:11.41 | Guerin | _fjh_: yeah, but that should force it to load and not be shit. Unless you need to specify module parameters, in which case you need to get a pci NIC |
| 08:12.11 | itchi | dondelelcaro: How many ways are there to build an deb package? |
| 08:12.27 | Guerin | itchi: as many as there are to skin a cat |
| 08:12.58 | _fjh_ | wols_: udev does not seem to use /etc/modules.conf, nor /etc/modprobe.d nor /etc/modules and does not feed the parameter enable_wol=1 to my card which is in all those files. |
| 08:13.08 | d0uglas | or to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop |
| 08:13.15 | itchi | Guerin: Yeah, that's a bit confusing when you learn it |
| 08:13.26 | wols_ | _fjh_: I told you where to look |
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| 08:14.10 | _fjh_ | wols_ you mean to add module parameters additionally in /etc/udev ?? |
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| 08:14.44 | ma3x | hello, why sometimes when I boot the computer my network interface is being recognized as eth0 and sometimes as eth1? |
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| 08:16.31 | Guerin | ma3x: specify the module for eth0 first in /etc/modules |
| 08:16.49 | itchi | Yeah, i also need some info about managing stuff in svn for easy building deb's. |
| 08:16.50 | Guerin | ma3x: or set the bios assignments to something not automatic |
| 08:17.07 | yojimbo-san | dondelelcaro: Thanks; system restored. Checking those md5sum files found 4 broken lib packages, and --reinstall fixed them. for p in $(for f in $(md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/*md5sums 2>&1 | grep FAIL | cut -d: -f1); do dpkg -S $f; done | cut -d: -f1 | uniq); do apt-get --reinstall install $p; done |
| 08:17.09 | Guerin | itchi: try #debian-mentors and the nm guide |
| 08:17.10 | itchi | But there to, 3600 ways to, coool |
| 08:17.15 | wols_ | got a problem with sudden "outages" in samba when accessing files. |
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| 08:17.19 | wols_ | samba itself gives me a [2006/10/29 09:15:21, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(941) and the connection then has a new PID |
| 08:17.25 | wols_ | is this a problem on the samba side or more likely a windows one? |
| 08:17.35 | itchi | Guerin: Yes, right, forget that channel ;-) |
| 08:18.06 | Guerin | wols_: #samba would know better |
| 08:18.17 | wols_ | already asked there. silent as a grave |
| 08:18.17 | Guerin | but they usually idel |
| 08:18.44 | Guerin | argh, bones in my fish sandwich |
| 08:18.58 | Guerin | and not the nice crunchy bones you get in canned fish, since this ain't canned |
| 08:19.48 | liable | blame the filleter |
| 08:20.00 | Guerin | indeed |
| 08:20.12 | Guerin | if *I* had filleted it it wouldn't be bony, no sir |
| 08:20.31 | sanmarcos | is there a way I can see the whole list of alternatives to configure? |
| 08:20.41 | liable | hrm, thats not the answer i was looking for |
| 08:20.46 | liable | :P |
| 08:20.52 | Guerin | sanmarcos: man update-alternatives lists how |
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| 08:21.10 | Guerin | liable: i'm making a smoker this week |
| 08:21.13 | Guerin | it's my project |
| 08:21.20 | Guerin | oh, and making my car legal |
| 08:21.22 | ma3x | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:21.36 | sanmarcos | Guerin: I dont want to call config on all altenratives, I just want to see them |
| 08:21.50 | liable | Guerin: eh, i dont go so much on smoked fish |
| 08:22.01 | liable | ham is another matter |
| 08:22.09 | Guerin | sanmarcos: ls /etc/alternatives/ |
| 08:22.18 | ma3x | when I make create a cron, how do I specify not to send any mail if there's an error or something? |
| 08:22.25 | Guerin | liable: ham is somewhat more tricky to make |
| 08:22.28 | sanmarcos | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:22.30 | d0uglas | You know what's pretty good? tearing up a bunch of bacon and mixing it with your cheerios |
| 08:22.30 | _fjh_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.38 | rk | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.38 | d0uglas | but not honey nut, the regular cheerios |
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| 08:22.58 | Guerin | d0uglas: see, that might make sense in NZ, where a cheerio is a little red sausage |
| 08:23.13 | Guerin | d0uglas: but mixing bacon with breakfast cereal ain't right |
| 08:23.17 | Guerin | and how do you cook it? |
| 08:23.32 | d0uglas | conventionally, frying it in a pan |
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| 08:23.40 | Guerin | oh, before putting it in |
| 08:23.54 | d0uglas | then laying it on some paper towels to get the juice under control |
| 08:23.55 | Guerin | last night a mate of mine claimed that bacon and chocolate was good eats |
| 08:23.55 | liable | bacon in cereal? |
| 08:24.09 | d0uglas | but getting it in the cheerios before it cools down |
| 08:24.26 | Guerin | d0uglas: with milk and all? |
| 08:24.45 | d0uglas | when you pour in the milk you gotta kind of pour it into the side so you don't get too much milk being strained through the bacon |
| 08:24.53 | d0uglas | that's just kinda nasty and doesn't sit well with me |
| 08:24.53 | Guerin | ... |
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| 08:24.57 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:25.02 | Guerin | because the idea isn't nasty |
| 08:25.11 | rxkaffee | is there a simple way to tell my system to use gcc 4.0 by default instead of 4.1? |
| 08:25.20 | rxkaffee | maybe even just for a specific compile |
| 08:25.20 | Guerin | well, hell, it's only as nasty as pineapple on pizza |
| 08:25.34 | Guerin | rxkaffee: set CC and HOSTCC variables? |
| 08:25.37 | d0uglas | eww what's wrong with you pineapple on pizza |
| 08:25.41 | liable | rxkaffee: export CC="gcc-4.0" |
| 08:25.49 | Guerin | rxkaffee: and/or change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink |
| 08:26.01 | liable | oh ffs, pinapple on pizza is the way $deity wanted it to be! |
| 08:26.04 | Guerin | d0uglas: I agree entirely, but you're not one to be talking/. |
| 08:26.24 | d0uglas | what i wouldn't try, for the record, is making pizza with peanut butter instead of tomato sauce |
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| 08:26.26 | rxkaffee | thanks Guerin and liable |
| 08:26.49 | ma3x | how do I make crontab not to send any mail warnings? |
| 08:27.12 | Guerin | ma3x: not detailed in 'man cron'? |
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| 08:28.10 | ma3x | Guerin: I don't find it |
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| 08:28.29 | Flosoft | hey |
| 08:28.48 | Flosoft | can someone explain me how I upgrade an 32bit Debian system to a 64bit debian system? |
| 08:28.49 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Have you take an look to the boa-constructor package? I'm interesting to get your oppignion about the trouble of it. To know if i did it right. And (sorry for it) what diff? diff -u control new_control ? |
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| 08:29.22 | dondelelcaro | itchi: best to add a new version of the debian/changelog and then put the diff.gz and dsc up some where. |
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| 08:30.18 | ma3x | what does the number mean after the name? : crontab(1), crontab(5) |
| 08:30.31 | itchi | dondelelcaro: hhhmm, yeah, these files. Hhhmm, so i need to rebuild it completely then. Okay, gona try that way now. Hey man, before i forget. Thanks for that tip. boa-constructor is running now :-p |
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| 08:31.10 | scai | someone can help me with a simple shell script question? |
| 08:31.25 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Be patient. Need to read again some docs |
| 08:31.37 | itchi | scai: Simply, 'ask' |
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| 08:32.12 | itchi | ah, Chapter 1 - Getting started The Right Way :-p |
| 08:32.26 | Caelum | how long does dd of a 30gig partition from a usb hd to regular hd take approximately? |
| 08:33.14 | scai | itchi, flash 9 standalone player was released for linux.. its just 1 archive.. how a make a /usr/bin/* shortcut for it to open files remotely (i.e right click file "open with gflashplayer") |
| 08:33.21 | c00lfon | ma3x, number of manual section. 1 - for all users, 2 - kernel calls, 3 - library functions, 4 - devices, 5 - configs, 6 - games, 7 - other, 8 - administration commands, 9 - distro-spec. documentation |
| 08:34.06 | itchi | scai: ln --help |
| 08:34.08 | peterS | Caelum: depends a lot on whether the USB drive is running at USB 1.1 or USB 2.0 (: |
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| 08:34.31 | c00lfon | och, he quits :/ |
| 08:34.56 | itchi | scai: But probably man ln will be usefull. Maybe some docs also type '/msg dpkg grounding' withouth the both ' ' |
| 08:35.07 | Flosoft | can someone explain me how I upgrade an 32bit Debian system to a 64bit debian system? |
| 08:35.22 | Flosoft | without being locally on the machine? |
| 08:35.28 | peterS | Caelum: instead of dd I use pv: pv -s30g < /dev/sda1 > /dev/hdb5 - then you can _see_ how long it will take |
| 08:35.34 | scai | itchi, thankz for the help =] |
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| 08:35.45 | Caelum | peterS: true, usb2 I think. I'll check that out, thank you! |
| 08:35.45 | peterS | (yes, pv is something you have to install, it's not on your debian system by default, but by golly it's _worth_ it) |
| 08:35.56 | itchi | scai: Yeah, you need to read a bit, or at least the section that concern you. Step by step |
| 08:36.09 | peterS | the -s30g tells pv to expect 30 GB of data. it will figure this out on its own for regular files, but not for disk partitions |
| 08:36.30 | peterS | the "expect" is only for the purpose of showing you statistics, it doesn't matter if it's exact |
| 08:36.30 | scai | itchi, dont care.. 2 mins ago I just dont know where to start.. |
| 08:37.22 | Guerin | Caelum: a long, long time, probably overnight. USB drives don't do DMA |
| 08:37.25 | itchi | scai: The grounding factoid is for that helpfully ;-) rwite that down on an papper ;-) At least you need to know where the good stuff are. Also try /msg dpkg search |
| 08:37.35 | Caelum | Guerin: ahh, thanks |
| 08:37.49 | peterS | Caelum: as for USB 2, it will only use USB 2 if you have the 'ehci-hcd' kernel module loaded, and if that module is loaded _before_ you plug the drive in. this catches me once in awhile, I've had to unplug my camera, then plug it back in, because it was plugged in before ehci-hcd loaded |
| 08:37.51 | itchi | scai: dpkg will give you some usefull tips. Also to note ;-) |
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| 08:38.01 | scai | itchi, tkz for the tip.. |
| 08:38.12 | Caelum | peterS: oops, I loaded ohci-hcd :) |
| 08:38.12 | itchi | scai: Your welcome ;-) |
| 08:38.24 | peterS | Caelum: no matter, ohci-hcd doesn't conflict with ehci-hcd. you can load both |
| 08:38.41 | peterS | Caelum: in fact if you have any USB 1.1 devices you _have_ to load both, as ehci-hcd doesn't deal with USB 1.1 |
| 08:39.15 | peterS | most/all mice are usb 1.1 for example |
| 08:39.26 | Caelum | ahh |
| 08:39.30 | Caelum | pv looks very cool |
| 08:39.33 | peterS | as there's not much advantage to the speed of usb 2 for the amount of data mice have to report |
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| 08:40.23 | peterS | Caelum: so is pv working for you? i.e., giving you a bar graph and an ETA (estimated time of arrival)? |
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| 08:42.45 | Jabka | how do i install svn |
| 08:42.53 | peterS | Jabka: aptitude install subversion |
| 08:43.37 | Jabka | peterS_ thnq |
| 08:43.44 | Guerin | !tw@ |
| 08:43.44 | dpkg | well, tw@ is ( What we think of people who use 'gr8' and other such nonsense words. ) |
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| 08:46.05 | sjr | Is there a way to upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit without reinstalling |
| 08:46.30 | xingu | sjr: not really, they're treated as different archs; see multiarch |
| 08:46.32 | peterS | sjr: you can replace a 32-bit _kernel_ with a 64-bit kernel, but other than that, no |
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| 08:46.52 | peterS | sjr: however, the 64-bit kernel might give you a majority of the benefit you can expect anyway, so that might be "good enough" |
| 08:47.03 | sjr | peterS is there a guide for this somewherle |
| 08:48.03 | peterS | sjr: in debian 3.1 (sarge), there are 64-bit kernels you can just install. try 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.8' to find one that talks about k8 or em64t or similar |
| 08:48.08 | Jabka | xingu : is debian allready multi arch ? couse afaik you have to use chroot to use 32 bit . |
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| 08:48.35 | xingu | Jabka: the discussions about multiarch are a good kicking off point for anyone interested in 32/64bit thunking |
| 08:48.57 | sjr | hmmmmmm |
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| 08:49.10 | peterS | Jabka: correct, multiarch is a long road that nobody seems too excited about walking |
| 08:49.39 | peterS | Jabka: so while a few bits of debian have proper multiarch support, the distribution as a whole has a long way to go before it feels as seamless as one might expect in fedora |
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| 08:50.01 | xingu | peterS: we got through l10n eventually, I'm sure we can deal with multiarch in the fullness of time |
| 08:50.08 | sjr | hmmmm |
| 08:50.30 | sjr | peterS so if I have a 32-bit debian and I install a 64 bit kernel package |
| 08:50.36 | sjr | everything will still work |
| 08:50.49 | Flosoft | yeah but all the apps won't be in 64bit |
| 08:50.49 | peterS | xingu: well, if anyone cares. debian itself has very few bits that work on i386 but not amd64, and third-party software will soon be the same. at that point, a lot fewer people will even care about multiarch |
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| 08:50.50 | Flosoft | :S |
| 08:51.10 | sjr | well Flosoft I don't see an easy way to get around that |
| 08:51.14 | peterS | sjr: a few things will not work in that mode, such as the 'iptables' command. most things will work fine. |
| 08:51.26 | sjr | ah actually I was asking on behalf of Flosoft |
| 08:51.27 | joeyjones | anyone what the default admin/root/whatever user and pass are for mysql-server-4.1 from apt? |
| 08:51.46 | xingu | peterS: at this point I'd like to illustrate the availability of libc5 |
| 08:51.52 | sjr | joeyjones it will ask you, you can try just mysql -u root |
| 08:51.54 | sjr | without a password |
| 08:52.00 | peterS | xingu: yeah and how many libc5 apps do you have on your system? |
| 08:52.07 | xingu | peterS: :) |
| 08:52.07 | sjr | or else there is a way to start mysql without authentication |
| 08:52.12 | Flosoft | peterS: what about chroot |
| 08:52.19 | xingu | peterS: heck we only just finished getting rid of libc4 |
| 08:52.23 | peterS | xingu: I've got a friend who still has a few libc4 binaries. I think he's kind of crazy |
| 08:52.42 | peterS | Flosoft: a chroot environment works fine, I'm told, but it's rather cumbersome compared to true multiarch |
| 08:53.00 | xingu | peterS: I know where a libc4 base mail relay has been drywalled in and still does its job to this day - because I built it. :) |
| 08:53.45 | joeyjones | sjr: lol |
| 08:53.46 | Flosoft | peterS: No ... I was thinking about chroot for the time I need to setup the 64bit OS |
| 08:53.47 | peterS | xingu: heh. I hope you've maintained a few security updates for it since it was installed. for one thing, in the libc4 days, nobody cared all that much about being an _open_ rfc821 relay |
| 08:53.53 | Flosoft | and then simply boot from there? |
| 08:54.00 | sjr | joeyjones, did that work? |
| 08:54.07 | xingu | $ du -sk /export/ia32 |
| 08:54.07 | xingu | 4128458 /export/ia32 |
| 08:54.12 | xingu | that, is the real problem with chroot |
| 08:54.26 | peterS | Flosoft: quite possibly you can bootstrap a 64-bit OS from a 32-bit install. I've never tried it, though. I don't own an amd64 chip |
| 08:54.52 | xingu | well, that and totally defeating CoW mappings for shared libs |
| 08:55.00 | joeyjones | sjr: yeah |
| 08:55.06 | joeyjones | sjr: any ideas for a cms? |
| 08:55.12 | joeyjones | *free cms |
| 08:55.16 | Flosoft | well ... I am looking for some help doing that as I don't know enough about Linux to debootstrap a 64bit OS |
| 08:55.19 | sjr | freshmeet |
| 08:55.20 | peterS | xingu: bah if you have an amd64 you may as well buy a few GB of RAM and then not worry about doubling your COW mapping library space |
| 08:55.33 | sjr | I dunno I don't even really know what a CMS is |
| 08:55.38 | sjr | even though I have developed one previously |
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| 08:55.50 | xingu | peterS: em64t, 2GB; but I'm a neat freak. :) |
| 08:55.54 | joeyjones | Content Management System |
| 08:56.00 | joeyjones | sjr: lol |
| 08:56.02 | peterS | sjr: that's just it, _nobody_ knows what a CMS is. they just build them to specific requirements |
| 08:56.03 | Jabka | sijr : the main difrance between 64 and 32 is that you have more registers for example eax is now rax but eax still exist |
| 08:56.28 | sjr | yeah it sucked I had to develop one with no documentation |
| 08:56.32 | joeyjones | you're like me, avoid any questions that takes longer to answer then an excuse |
| 08:56.37 | sjr | well had to extend one when I didn't understand anything about it. |
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| 08:57.18 | joeyjones | and ideas? |
| 08:57.54 | peterS | sjr: wait, I think I was thinking of CRM systems. _that_ is a field that truly nobody has a clue what they are supposed to be other than "whatever the customer happens to need" |
| 08:58.06 | sjr | CRM |
| 08:58.07 | anapivirtua_ | Pom Pom Pom² all :) |
| 08:58.09 | xingu | joeyjones: how about git for revision control of foreign blobs, and a wiki for presentation? |
| 08:58.10 | sjr | What does that even stand for |
| 08:58.16 | peterS | customer relations management, I think |
| 08:58.49 | peterS | keeps track of everything related to customers (general and specific) |
| 08:58.49 | xingu | crm is - consumes resources like a mofo |
| 08:58.56 | sjr | ugh |
| 08:58.59 | sjr | I don't even want to think about it |
| 08:59.06 | sjr | time to go back to reading the humourarchives |
| 08:59.08 | sjr | good luck Flosoft |
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| 08:59.20 | peterS | sjr: name/address database, record of all phone conversations, support tickets, etc., etc., etc. |
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| 08:59.30 | Flosoft | sjr: thx |
| 08:59.38 | xingu | an ever expanding magic rug under which to lose things |
| 08:59.44 | peterS | yes, that too |
| 08:59.48 | sjr | yeah that's what I Worked on |
| 09:00.13 | itchi | joeyjones: Maybe will this help you http://www.opensourcecms.com/ |
| 09:00.29 | peterS | so, happy Non-Daylight-Saving-Time, everyone of sufficiently high north latitude..... |
| 09:00.59 | peterS | I note it is 3:00 local time for the second time in an hour.. |
| 09:01.06 | joeyjones | xingu: you use big words, like "foreign blobs" |
| 09:02.34 | Guerin | we just got daylight saving a few weeks ago here |
| 09:02.36 | Guerin | it's choice |
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| 09:03.09 | liable | cuz |
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| 09:03.21 | joeyjones | lol |
| 09:03.24 | xingu | CRM systems are the IT equivalent of "ma?ana" |
| 09:03.24 | liable | Guerin: for the first time ever? |
| 09:03.42 | xingu | joeyjones: they're not chosen by accident |
| 09:03.46 | Guerin | liable: no, it happens every year. |
| 09:03.55 | liable | oh, yeah.. |
| 09:03.57 | Guerin | liable: i just haven't been here for the last four of them |
| 09:04.07 | joeyjones | xingu: i don't know/care about crm, i asked about cms |
| 09:04.17 | xingu | yes |
| 09:04.22 | joeyjones | iunno where crm came from... |
| 09:04.22 | liable | Guerin: i thought they may have just introduced it, QLD here has been arguing about it for years |
| 09:04.47 | Guerin | liable: oh yeah, but you're on a tropic. It makes sense here, we're pretty far south |
| 09:04.55 | xingu | and I suggested that git for the revision control component of externally formatted documents combined with a wiki for presentation might be appropriate building blocks |
| 09:05.24 | liable | Guerin: ya, where i grew up we had it, and it rocked, sun still up till 8-9pm in summer, very nice |
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| 09:06.20 | Guerin | liable: china has the fuckedest-uppest time system. It covers about 30° latitude from north to south, and three or four timesones east to west, but the whole country runs on beijing tim |
| 09:06.23 | Guerin | e |
| 09:06.44 | Guerin | liable: so you might be out in Kashgar, in Xinjiang, and it'll be 10am, and the sun will just be coming up |
| 09:06.48 | liable | heh, good for business at least :) |
| 09:06.52 | joeyjones | is it phpinfo() that i cna use to see which modules are installed? |
| 09:07.02 | wols_ | yes |
| 09:07.03 | Guerin | joeyjones: yes |
| 09:07.14 | joeyjones | good |
| 09:07.14 | xingu | Guerin: for a while, the whole of the soviet union was calibrated to moscow time |
| 09:07.28 | xingu | Guerin: which is far more geographically hilarious |
| 09:07.32 | Guerin | xingu: yeah, that's crazier |
| 09:07.33 | joeyjones | iunno if i got php-mysql installed... |
| 09:07.43 | Guerin | xingu: that was done away with in the 50s though, no? |
| 09:08.10 | xingu | somewhere about then sounds reasonable |
| 09:08.23 | sjr | Oh yeah we just moved an hour back hurrah! |
| 09:08.30 | Guerin | i think it was a stalinist conceit |
| 09:08.32 | xingu | national sleep in day |
| 09:09.02 | liable | i thought the sleep in was at the end of dls? |
| 09:09.14 | Guerin | it is the end in norf merka |
| 09:09.16 | xingu | and at 52'N it is |
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| 09:09.53 | liable | Guerin: wtf is norf merka? |
| 09:10.02 | liable | oh |
| 09:10.04 | liable | nm |
| 09:10.14 | peterS | liable: heh. yeah, we have a 25-hour day now, up in these parts |
| 09:10.18 | liable | !yinzersmite Guerin |
| 09:10.21 | Guerin | liable: it's like straya, only there are more merkans and less strayans |
| 09:10.55 | liable | roight |
| 09:10.56 | Guerin | wtf is 'sharn' supposed to be in that? |
| 09:11.00 | xingu | a merkin is something entirely different |
| 09:11.03 | Guerin | yinzers, help me out? |
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| 09:11.28 | liable | peterS: good, you maintainers might be able to get etch out on time :) |
| 09:11.37 | Guerin | where's nvz on the only occasion you ever need him |
| 09:11.38 | yangsup | ehllo |
| 09:11.44 | liable | heh |
| 09:11.50 | peterS | liable: I've gotten more work done on the subversion package tonight than I have in the past two weeks. maybe the extra hour is psychologically useful |
| 09:12.14 | xingu | I predict that in around 36h or so there will be an uptick in the number of people complaining that their system clock has been reset forward an hour again |
| 09:12.22 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:12.49 | xingu | because the half-life of a user console is about ~24h between reboots and most fucking BIOS's are brokenated |
| 09:13.01 | liable | did it stop in the NH today? that doesnt make sense.. |
| 09:13.02 | xingu | 'scuse the french |
| 09:13.16 | Guerin | xingu: they've been excused too many times already |
| 09:13.23 | liable | lol |
| 09:13.57 | Guerin | if they had a harbour, maybe we might send some secret agents to bomb a non-aligned NGO vessel in it |
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| 09:14.12 | peterS | liable: daylight saving time ends early morning on the last Sunday in October, in most of the US and I think Europe. |
| 09:14.14 | Guerin | but they don't so we'll have to settle for taking the world cup |
| 09:14.16 | peterS | so yeah, that would be now. |
| 09:14.37 | peterS | (and yes, I was counting Canadia as part of the US. doh.) |
| 09:15.00 | liable | peterS: oh, weird, ithought it would have ended much earlier, seeing as its just starting here |
| 09:15.49 | Guerin | why? |
| 09:15.53 | peterS | liable: our DST is like 6.5 months, it starts the first Sunday in April. 5.5 months / 6.5 months is close enough to an even split that it's not surprising for NH/SH to line up |
| 09:15.58 | Guerin | should start and end roughly at the same time, no? |
| 09:16.19 | Guerin | peterS: ours is first in october/fourth in march |
| 09:16.20 | liable | because it basically only covers the summer months, and summer should have been over a couple of months ago |
| 09:16.26 | liable | peterS: ah |
| 09:16.38 | peterS | Guerin: right, I remember there's a certain period of confusion in March/April where some countries have switched clocks and some haven't |
| 09:16.44 | xingu | the hilarious thing about the usa-ians is that their dst hours are set by presidential decree, and the current one isn't exactly numerate so the dates change |
| 09:16.54 | xingu | witness the occasional windows update for dst times |
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| 09:17.19 | xingu | it's almost as hilarious as the .au situation where they finally decided to go with three rather than seven timezones - but only for the commonwealth games |
| 09:17.30 | Guerin | xingu: seriously? |
| 09:18.13 | Guerin | should that not be timelord@ |
| 09:18.16 | Guerin | ? |
| 09:18.16 | dondelelcaro | xingu: uh... they're not. Congress advises them, and the states can choose what to do. |
| 09:18.22 | xingu | there's an off-by-one joke about the canucks in that they quasi-religiously track the us |
| 09:18.27 | peterS | xingu: it's more complicated than you think. it has nothing to do with presidential decree, it is a regular law passed by the regular congress. and individual US states can choose whether to follow it, the national government really only has the power to _suggest_ it so that confusion doesn't completely reign |
| 09:18.31 | xingu | dondelelcaro: tomato, tomato |
| 09:18.38 | liable | meh, its 5 months here, thought it was shorter... (been living in the trpoics too long i guess) |
| 09:18.54 | dondelelcaro | xingu: no, you're calling a cumquat a tomato. |
| 09:19.05 | peterS | dondelelcaro: but his GW Bush joke wouldn't work if it's a law passed by Congress, dontcha see |
| 09:19.18 | xingu | what matters is the decree and the backroom jousting that goes on in between congress and it being signed |
| 09:19.24 | Guerin | peterS: well, it still would, since the congress is a farce anyhow |
| 09:19.32 | xingu | but hell, don't listen to me |
| 09:19.35 | Guerin | heh, what'd I say. |
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| 09:19.57 | xingu | it's all pork of one sauce or another |
| 09:20.00 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: are you near those wildfires? |
| 09:20.03 | peterS | xingu: on matters of US government I assuredly won't listen to you, given what you have revealed so far of your knowledge thereof |
| 09:20.12 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: pretty close; they're about 15 miles away |
| 09:20.12 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: or, I should say, are they near you? |
| 09:20.42 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: are they supplying old folks' homes with oxygen yet? |
| 09:20.43 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: but there's a whole crapload of homes and freeways and other non-burnable stuff between me and them, so I'm not in any danger |
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| 09:21.03 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: nah; old folks won't know the difference between our normal air and the air with smoke |
| 09:21.26 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: when I was in Sydney a few years ago it was all bushfires,. and they started issuing retirement homes and hospitals with extra O2 because of smoke inhalation |
| 09:21.27 | itchi | What's the difference between an orphaned package and an 'package up for adoption'? |
| 09:21.29 | peterS | or, put another way, old folks who can't breathe forest fire smoke should _already_ be on oxygen due to smog |
| 09:21.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:21.31 | anapivirtua | Reboot |
| 09:21.33 | liable | yikes, is normal air that bad? |
| 09:21.50 | peterS | itchi: up for adoption means the current maintainer still takes responsibility for the package, but would rather not have to |
| 09:21.54 | dondelelcaro | itchi: a package which is up for adoption is supposedly currently maintained. |
| 09:22.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:22.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:22.15 | dondelelcaro | (although, sometimes the difference between the two is just whether the maintainer or QA marked it as such) |
| 09:22.37 | xingu | peterS: there's process as defined, and then there's process as applied, and I've been through this one often enough to become slightly cynical about how the outcomes are arrived at |
| 09:22.50 | xingu | peterS: pardon me if that doensn't agree with your philosphical position |
| 09:23.04 | peterS | xingu: as soon as you can come up with a likely recipient of the "pork" of setting DST to a different date, please do get back to me |
| 09:23.05 | itchi | So orhpaned, is that there are no more an maintainer then. Need to try alone? |
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| 09:23.50 | xingu | peterS: take a look into sales data for the weeks surrounding the cutover and get back to me |
| 09:24.16 | dondelelcaro | itchi: right; indeed, if you want, you can become the maintainer of that package. |
| 09:24.17 | peterS | xingu: that's impossibly vague. is "sales data" supposed to go up or down? in what sectors? I can't see how it could possibly have a meaningful effect |
| 09:24.52 | itchi | I'm a bit afraid because i not know C and so. |
| 09:25.14 | xingu | peterS: retail, footfall and arpu |
| 09:25.36 | peterS | xingu: and these sectors are hurt by staying on DST longer? or helped? if they are helped, who is hurt? |
| 09:25.52 | peterS | xingu: I'm trying to come up with why you think this move is a _bad_ thing, and for whom you think it is |
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| 09:26.15 | peterS | you must think it's bad for _someone_ or you wouldn't be whining about it |
| 09:26.56 | dondelelcaro | peterS: the main thing for me is that it's an annoyance... but then, I think all of DST is, regardless of when we switch |
| 09:27.00 | xingu | I think that changing it is inconvenient and has its costs too, and that there's morethan meets the eye |
| 09:27.22 | peterS | xingu: "more than meets the eye". yeah. |
| 09:28.24 | itchi | Orphaned packages, will these be included in the next stable release? |
| 09:29.05 | peterS | what meets the eye is that they thought keeping DST a couple weeks longer would save energy because of lighting/heating patterns, I guess. I wasn't particularly convinced that this was solid reasoning, but I do tend to follow the philosophy of not assigning to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity |
| 09:29.18 | Guerin | xingu: there's also a huge benefit in rural economies to having an additional hour daylight at the end, rather than the start of a day |
| 09:29.42 | xingu | peterS: people hate shopping after dark is what it comes down to |
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| 09:30.02 | liable | not to mention its way better for average joe to have the extra hour to do shit at the end of the day |
| 09:30.10 | Guerin | hell yeah |
| 09:30.37 | Guerin | no good for fishing, though |
| 09:30.40 | Guerin | confuses the fish |
| 09:30.42 | peterS | liable: yeah, well, xingu doesn't think the benefit to the average joe counts for anything compared to the horrorible possibility that some commercial ventures might also benefit |
| 09:30.45 | peterS | I guess |
| 09:31.01 | peterS | xingu: of course, not attributing to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity totally goes against the attractive philosophy that the government is controlled by shadowy figures with greedy private motives |
| 09:31.02 | liable | Guerin: tis ok, just drink beer whilst pretending to fish |
| 09:31.21 | Guerin | liable: i can, since I live within stumbling distance of the beach |
| 09:31.25 | peterS | it must be a lot more fun not attributing to stupidity what can be adequately explained by malice |
| 09:31.43 | Guerin | peterS: he's just angling for a new tinfoil hat for christmas |
| 09:31.59 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:32.00 | dpkg | qotd120 is probably <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
| 09:32.15 | d0uglas | got an amd 2400+ xp on my laptop.. thinking of using powernow/powersaved but is there a lag for the processor to shift into high gear when hit with a sudden load or is there really no reason not to leave it on? |
| 09:32.17 | liable | Guerin: that reminds me, there was people not wanting it here because it would confuse the dairy cows :/ |
| 09:32.17 | peterS | Guerin: not purchased, I hope - that would make some greedy tinfoil milliner richer |
| 09:32.22 | liable | true story.. |
| 09:32.29 | Guerin | liable: yeah, indeed. |
| 09:32.53 | peterS | liable: I suppose it would, if farmers were dumb enough to force the cows to adjust their schedules rather than the farmers just getting up one hour earlier or later |
| 09:32.54 | Guerin | peterS: mm, the conspiracy is everywhere! |
| 09:32.56 | xingu | peterS: you live in a frighteningly simple world; tell me, does congress poll you on the change? or do they form an opinion in a committee on this? |
| 09:33.24 | amphi | d0uglas: I never used any of those daemons; just using the ondemand governor should be ok |
| 09:33.31 | peterS | xingu: they don't ask me anything at all, and that's completely beside the point of whether their DST thinking is stupidity or malice |
| 09:33.32 | liable | peterS: thats the thing though, farmers get up at first light, not by the clock (well, all the farmers i have ever known) |
| 09:33.37 | Guerin | xingu: you want direct democracy in a country of 300,000,000 ith an average reading age of 11 and about 200 languages spoken nationally? |
| 09:34.02 | peterS | liable: right. |
| 09:34.08 | d0uglas | amphi: but isn't powernow a specific amd throttling thing? isn't there hardware interaction of some kind going on? |
| 09:34.16 | xingu | peterS: I honestly don't know what your issue is with the idea that folk who care about retail hours should be putting their case where it matters, and that this might have an impact; personally, the actual dates of the usa-ian changeover only concern me in so far as they wobble; every nation has their quaint customs |
| 09:34.44 | Guerin | liable: when I lived on a farm and had to help muster cattle in for milking it was always dark while we were doing it :( |
| 09:34.56 | xingu | peterS: I don't only get to deal with the usa-ian cutover, it's just one of 90-odd wrinkles I get to deal with |
| 09:35.14 | amphi | d0uglas: I don't know much about those daemons; you can use sysfs to set the cpufreq scaling governor |
| 09:35.30 | d0uglas | all right i'll check that stuff out |
| 09:35.31 | d0uglas | thanks man |
| 09:35.35 | peterS | xingu: if it benefits shopkeepers, and doesn't harm anyone else, you have to wonder why people are so upset. maybe people with antiquated OSes have to worry, but Debian got the update for the new US timezone thing last year, everyone should have applied that update by now, so it seems pretty painless here |
| 09:35.37 | liable | Guerin: ya, well, same thing though, you do it by hours in relation to sunrise, not clock time. |
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| 09:35.45 | Guerin | right |
| 09:35.56 | Guerin | liable: so, how about that southpark episode? |
| 09:36.13 | liable | Guerin: havent seen it yet, making a stink over here though :) |
| 09:36.22 | amphi | d0uglas: the ondemand governor will keep to the lowest freq possible, quickly ramping up to full speed when there's a load |
| 09:36.48 | xingu | peterS: I'm not emotionally tied to the date change stateside either way, I don't live there; from my perspective it's just one of many changes to keep track of |
| 09:36.57 | d0uglas | amphi: quickly, huh.. so i might as well not set kpowersave or whatever to switch it off when plugged in? |
| 09:36.58 | amphi | d0uglas: the conservative governor is similar, but ramps up more slowly IIRC - you can read about them in the kernel docs |
| 09:37.06 | d0uglas | ok |
| 09:37.23 | peterS | xingu: that you personally are keeping track of it, rather than letting OSes and calendar apps worry about it for you, makes me wonder. you should learn to use technology to make your life simpler |
| 09:37.31 | amphi | d0uglas: I have the ondemand governor on all the time |
| 09:37.33 | xingu | peterS: but when it does change, it's inconvenient, because there is about a .23% or so error rate in terms of systems which are time dependant and also not successfully patched/updated to deal |
| 09:37.40 | liable | ya conservative will go in steps whereas ondemand goes straight to flat out iirc |
| 09:37.49 | amphi | d0uglas: unless I switch to powersave on batt |
| 09:38.00 | liable | i have moved to conservative meself |
| 09:38.15 | xingu | peterS: when your management domain has around 10k elements in it, .23% is measurable and has an operational impact |
| 09:38.42 | d0uglas | it would be pretty sweet if ondemand had overclocking support |
| 09:38.49 | amphi | liable: I see ondemand going to intermediate freqs and dropping back (assuming gkrellm is accurate ;) |
| 09:39.02 | peterS | if your system is unpatched for timezone changes which were announced 2 years in advance, you should probably catch up on some security updates too |
| 09:39.05 | xingu | peterS: so frankly you can stick your tinfoil hat comment and the blinkered perspective it came from |
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| 09:39.23 | peterS | xingu: uh, stick it where? that was an imcomplete thought |
| 09:39.27 | amphi | d0uglas: I imagine it does, assuming the overclocked freqs are in scaling_available_freqs and so on |
| 09:39.28 | liable | amphi: ok |
| 09:39.49 | d0uglas | amphi: sounds like you know your stuff there buddy |
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| 09:40.13 | d0uglas | can't seem to stump you |
| 09:40.20 | amphi | d0uglas: I fiddled about in the sysfs cpufreq stuff a bit |
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| 09:40.53 | d0uglas | I guess I haven't had much need to as I never leave the house and can stay plugged in. |
| 09:40.54 | amphi | d0uglas: I went for 'undervolting' rather than overclocking though ;) |
| 09:41.08 | itchi | There's realy a lot of orphaned packages |
| 09:41.30 | peterS | itchi: well, many of them are crap packages that nobody uses except people who don't realise there's a better alternative out there |
| 09:41.35 | liable | amphi: out of interest, does it ever settle at intermediate hz? i cant remember, been a while since i used it. |
| 09:41.46 | d0uglas | that takes a special kind of man to be willing to go against society's value system by underclocking |
| 09:41.56 | itchi | peterS: Yup, maybe ;-) |
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| 09:42.17 | peterS | itchi: so that inflates the figures significantly. the nature of free software is that a lot of duplicate projects happen, eventually someone notices and decides to orphan the inferior version when they switch to the superior one, and nobody wants to adopt the one because they're all using the other |
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| 09:42.59 | itchi | peterS: Yeah, sure, better to trash it then and splend his time to other nice things |
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| 09:43.16 | peterS | d0uglas: oh, I dunno, lots of people underclock so they can get away with running a quieter system (no fans, or only slow-running fans). in some places like a home entertainment center, the speed is less important than the quietness |
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| 09:43.42 | liable | and cooler lappies |
| 09:43.45 | d0uglas | if google's to make any kind of money datamining as with their web accelerator, then why encourage people to use their vpn ware in places like mountainview ca where they've rolled out public wifi? |
| 09:43.47 | peterS | itchi: the orphaned packages that lots of people still _use_ tend to get adopted pretty quickly. so the ones you see are mostly the other kind (: |
| 09:44.13 | d0uglas | a laptop fan is no match for my 200Wx5 channel system |
| 09:44.42 | liable | omfg |
| 09:44.51 | peterS | d0uglas: sure if you want to play it loudly. if the only music you ever listen to is loud, you have a narrow range of tastes (: |
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| 09:45.31 | d0uglas | next thing you're gonna tell me's that analog audio laserdiscs offer superior dynamic range capabilities |
| 09:45.55 | peterS | not to say I can't blast Brandenburg Concerto No. 5 pretty loudly, but a lot of what I listen to really does work best if it's allowed to get quiet sometimes |
| 09:46.06 | liable | i personally still love my techno vynyl, sounds sweet as on good speakers |
| 09:46.10 | itchi | peterS: Is that send on an mailing list when a package become orphaned or need adoption? |
| 09:46.17 | liable | vinyl even |
| 09:46.36 | d0uglas | I only listen to Fur Elise on full blast on my hifi and cell phone |
| 09:46.41 | amphi | liable: yeah for a while at least, for example, from idling at 600MHz, a windowed xvid in mplayer pushes it to 800MHz, and it stays there for a while before dropping to 600 again; it bounces back and forth between 800 and 600, a few seonds or 10s of seconds at each |
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| 09:47.02 | liable | amphi: ok, hrm. |
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| 09:47.10 | peterS | d0uglas: blech, für elise. I can't listen to that piece ever again, I've already had my quota of 2700 hearings in my life |
| 09:47.11 | Aison | hello |
| 09:47.18 | d0uglas | woah what alt code was that u |
| 09:47.53 | peterS | d0uglas: for me? I invented a keymap to let me type that sort of stuff |
| 09:47.55 | d0uglas | that was like a verticle smiley face |
| 09:48.04 | Aison | is there a debian sid for amd64?!? I cant find it on any mirrors, strange..... |
| 09:48.18 | peterS | "für" is German for "for", nothing special about it |
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| 09:48.42 | d0uglas | ohhh |
| 09:48.45 | d0uglas | and elise must be some chick |
| 09:48.47 | peterS | yep |
| 09:49.03 | peterS | I forget who she was or why beethoven wrote a piece for her though |
| 09:49.17 | d0uglas | he must have been a little whipped |
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| 09:49.40 | d0uglas | when i wrote a song for a chick at least i laid it over the chords of a grateful dead tune i liked |
| 09:50.04 | d0uglas | ... using audacity of course, not cool edit aka adobe audition |
| 09:50.09 | peterS | nah, could've been anyone. it's not like "für elise" was some symphony or anything, it's a pretty trivial little piano piece |
| 09:50.44 | amphi | d0uglas: did she speak to you again? ;) |
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| 09:50.58 | d0uglas | just in case you think i was serious about only listening to fur elise.. i'm actually a franz liszt freak |
| 09:51.11 | d0uglas | that mutha could play |
| 09:51.12 | esteel | re |
| 09:51.17 | d0uglas | re esteel |
| 09:51.25 | d0uglas | nice to see that oldschool irc salutation again |
| 09:51.28 | peterS | itchi: a list of recently orphaned packages that gets sent to debian-devel@lists.debian.org once a week. maybe that's what you're looking for |
| 09:51.59 | d0uglas | reminds me of my #hack efnet days... |
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| 09:52.17 | liable | heh, that reminds of a qotd |
| 09:52.25 | peterS | d0uglas: with a nick like yours and no real name, are you sure you aren't still living those days? |
| 09:52.26 | itchi | peterS: Yes that is it ;-) |
| 09:52.29 | amphi | liable: heh |
| 09:52.34 | erore | How to find files with certain conents? |
| 09:52.35 | d0uglas | !qotd |
| 09:52.35 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 09:52.36 | peterS | d0uglas: I mean, seriously, at some point you're gonna have to move on |
| 09:52.39 | d0uglas | heh peters :) |
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| 09:52.46 | d0uglas | you're right |
| 09:52.58 | liable | amphi: you know the one? the sussidio one? :) |
| 09:53.14 | amphi | liable: the 'stop being a sad wanker' one? |
| 09:53.25 | d0uglas | look, douglas was taken.. i can use it but i can't ctcp channels or even /msg dpkg swear words with it |
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| 09:53.36 | liable | amphi: ya :) |
| 09:53.46 | peterS | !qotd6 |
| 09:53.46 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
| 09:53.52 | amphi | liable: I don't recall if it was sussudio - could well have been |
| 09:53.58 | liable | !beer peterS |
| 09:54.07 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: unforutnatly, there's no recordings of him performing extant; it's likely that rachmaninov would give him a run for his money. |
| 09:54.08 | peterS | liable: '/msg dpkg listvals sad wanker' is your friend |
| 09:54.09 | d0uglas | ohh man when was that :) |
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| 09:54.28 | peterS | d0uglas: late 2003, I believe |
| 09:54.40 | d0uglas | jesus i thought by now i'd have a life |
| 09:54.45 | liable | peterS: there was a web page, but its broken, ta. |
| 09:54.52 | d0uglas | 2007's round the corner |
| 09:55.00 | peterS | d0uglas: cheer up, it's only 3 years later, eventually we'll be able to tell the difference between the new you and the old you |
| 09:55.26 | liable | hrm. |
| 09:55.47 | itchi | peterS: On the Usenet is that linux.debian.devel ? |
| 09:56.01 | d0uglas | you know what's really sad? I used to be able to mass de op with ircii with no scripts or even cut and paste, but somehow last night I fell for the disco lights |
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| 09:56.10 | Cometo | hi |
| 09:56.22 | peterS | itchi: mailing lists aren't gatewayed to usenet like that. but your _local_ NNTP server may do so and in that case, linux.debian.devel sounds rather probable as the name the news admin would have picked |
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| 09:56.43 | peterS | d0uglas: you _didn't_ fall for the disco lights. I mean, that's really sad (: |
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| 09:57.31 | d0uglas | i totally did fall for it and was humiliated so i spent the next four hours going to the channels of all the distros i could think of trying to get other people |
| 09:57.45 | d0uglas | finally my benzos kicked in and i got to sleep around 5:30am |
| 09:57.47 | peterS | Aison: sid for amd64 certainly should exist, yes |
| 09:57.48 | amphi | d0uglas: still you got ^_2600_^ back with the disco gambit ;) |
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| 09:58.15 | d0uglas | yeah I was on a roll in rare form |
| 09:58.38 | amphi | d0uglas: not hard though, he fell for /server help too ;) |
| 09:58.43 | Aison | peterS, but it's crazy, it dont exist here :| ftp://amd64.debian.net/debian/dists |
| 09:58.51 | peterS | d0uglas: so 3 years later you haven't outgrown that form of entertainment? at some point you should tell your parents to maybe think about worrying about your emotional development pace |
| 09:59.02 | peterS | Aison: don't use amd64.debian.net, just use ftp.debian.org now |
| 09:59.17 | d0uglas | they already have been paying for my shrink and meds since 2001 |
| 09:59.35 | d0uglas | i just have had bigger "issues" to deal with than my compulsive trolling and lameness |
| 09:59.37 | peterS | d0uglas: actually it could have been early 2004, so say 2 1/2 years |
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| 10:00.15 | Aison | peterS, thx |
| 10:00.58 | d0uglas | crap five oclock.. this is switching from ridiculous to ludicrous, time to pop my downers |
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| 10:02.21 | peterS | Aison: or the usual debian mirrors, I mean - ftp.ch.debian.org (: |
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| 10:02.40 | Aison | peterS, yes, found a local one for me :) |
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| 10:04.22 | erore | Where does debian store the domain name that it requests during the initial setup? |
| 10:04.23 | peterS | erore: /etc/resolv.conf, I believe, possibly also /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 10:04.39 | peterS | setting and querying one's DNS domain name is a little bit of a mess in unix, due mainly to ambiguitities associated with having more than one of them at a time |
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| 10:04.53 | erore | peterS: neither of them :( |
| 10:05.33 | liable | !hostname |
| 10:05.34 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 10:05.39 | _fjh_ | Hi, I found out why I can't pass options to my network cards kernel module (3c59x): It is loaded by scripts in the initrd. The question is: how do I update that beast? |
| 10:05.53 | peterS | erore: should be in /etc/hosts at least, if not the others |
| 10:06.48 | peterS | _fjh_: /sbin/mkinitrd is what updates it, and just to make life complicated, there are multiple implementations of mkinitrd (three at last count, two of which work on recent kernels) |
| 10:06.50 | liable | _fjh_: hrm, you should be able to pass it options if you put it in modules file |
| 10:07.12 | liable | _fjh_: or search for it in modprobe.d |
| 10:07.14 | erore | peterS: there is just domain for localhost but I can find the domain name that I setup in Binary file /proc/kcore matches when searching for file contents but it is not in any of those three files |
| 10:07.18 | peterS | _fjh_: errr, I mean, /usr/sbin/mkinitrd*, which could be in 'initrd-tools', 'initramfs-tools' or 'yaird' |
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| 10:07.58 | peterS | _fjh_: if you've edited something that you think will affect the initrd generation, the easiest way to regenerate the initrd is 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' |
| 10:08.42 | _fjh_ | peterS. Ok! Thanks. |
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| 10:09.53 | liable | i dont understand that, about not being able to pass options to the module |
| 10:10.23 | liable | initrd's are black magic |
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| 10:10.35 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 10:10.44 | jeffrin | i just lost my password |
| 10:10.51 | peterS | conceptually they're very simple. it's just that implementing automated processes for building custom ones is where it gets complicated |
| 10:10.52 | liable | doh! |
| 10:10.58 | d0uglas | jeffrin: what's your dog's name |
| 10:11.11 | peterS | my dog's name is d0uglas |
| 10:11.11 | liable | jeffrin: your root one? |
| 10:11.15 | ttl- | jeffrin: user or root ? |
| 10:11.28 | jeffrin | root one |
| 10:11.32 | lunitik | !i forgot roots password |
| 10:11.33 | d0uglas | i guess i set myself up for that one |
| 10:11.35 | ttl- | jeffrin: oops |
| 10:11.40 | liable | jeffrin: /msg dpkg ifrp |
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| 10:12.27 | d0uglas | that ifrp procedure can't be easy on a coloed box |
| 10:13.06 | d0uglas | wow what a touching and profound quit message |
| 10:13.08 | jeffrin | the password iam typing is correct .. but it is not logging in |
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| 10:13.22 | jeffrin | is there any method to reset my password |
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| 10:13.37 | liable | jeffrin: is this in kdesu? |
| 10:13.38 | d0uglas | almost as insightful as ("lights") |
| 10:13.40 | tarzeau | jeffrin: user? ask root to reset it for you? |
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| 10:13.57 | liable | jeffrin: this is for synaptic or something? |
| 10:14.15 | jeffrin | debian GNU/Linux is the OS |
| 10:14.32 | d0uglas | this is good troll material right here |
| 10:14.32 | liable | jeffrin: how are you trying to log in as root? |
| 10:15.27 | jeffrin | i got the solution from dpkg related |
| 10:16.30 | ttl- | jeffrin: could be keyboard layout related |
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| 10:19.07 | SkareCrow | hello everyone, i am from the future |
| 10:19.29 | d0uglas | hey man.. am i still here in 2020 |
| 10:19.33 | ttl- | lol |
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| 10:21.43 | SkareCrow | you know the world is suppose to blow up by 2020 |
| 10:22.30 | SkareCrow | i jumped in a time machine on december 29 2019, was a sunday |
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| 10:23.20 | d0uglas | someone with xp double click the clock and skip the calendar to 2019, see if dec 29's a sunday.. i gotta know if this guy's story checks out |
| 10:23.22 | liable | *groan* |
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| 10:24.24 | SkareCrow | d0uglas: i gurentee you it was a sunday, i am telling you the truth. i am from the future |
| 10:24.33 | nkuttler | d0uglas: ... |
| 10:24.57 | d0uglas | SkareCrow: i am always intrigued by people from the future refering to the future in the past tense, it's very trippy |
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| 10:25.05 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 10:25.17 | SkareCrow | o crap |
| 10:25.18 | nkuttler | d0uglas: man cal for your xp needs ;-) |
| 10:25.50 | SkareCrow | it is a little confusing. cause for me it "was" and for you it "will be" |
| 10:25.53 | d0uglas | debian cal is y2.019k compliant? |
| 10:26.06 | xingu | see I put xp's clock forward and now it thinks the hardware has changed and it wants a new license code |
| 10:26.16 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 10:26.24 | d0uglas | woops sorry bout that xingu |
| 10:26.39 | d0uglas | good thing it's xp and not sco |
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| 10:27.10 | _fjh_ | SkareCrow, good time to invalidate now some patent claims. (prior art) |
| 10:27.38 | SkareCrow | in the year 2019 there will be a new OS released by Microsoft. it is 100% open source and is free. it is by far better then any OS of its kinda in 2019 and way way better then any OS of your current ime |
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| 10:27.53 | amphi | _fjh_: 'posterior art' shurely |
| 10:27.55 | d0uglas | surely there will be future time travel legislation prohibiting that fjh |
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| 10:28.12 | Guerin | SkareCrow: and it's called Windows Vapour |
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| 10:28.57 | d0uglas | jeez english is my first language and i don't know what kind of grammar to use to describe an event that has already happened to skarecrow in our future but his past |
| 10:29.03 | SkareCrow | in the year 1018 there will be a new hard drive released, it has a capacity of 10 terabytes and is the same size of any hard drive of your time |
| 10:29.20 | xingu | and you'll need two of them to install windows vapour |
| 10:29.21 | liable | SkareCrow: dude, please, stfu |
| 10:29.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:29.39 | Guerin | step away from the bong |
| 10:29.54 | d0uglas | oh man i love this place at 5am |
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| 10:30.47 | SkareCrow | liable: in the year 2015 there was a public database released showing events from any one you choose. give me your full name and i can go to the future and look in the past and tell you what you will be doing in the next 30 minutes |
| 10:30.53 | xingu | in the year 2037 phoenix will finally release a bios update that deals with the 32bit rtc epoch |
| 10:31.01 | xingu | nah, too far fetched |
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| 10:31.26 | liable | SkareCrow: i will be drinking more beer and scratching my nuts, i dont need you to tell me that |
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| 10:32.11 | SkareCrow | you are scared of the future, cause you will probally be with your mom in the laundry room |
| 10:32.16 | d0uglas | in 2052 bill gates will be laughed at for his claims of what ought to be enough memory for anyone |
| 10:32.24 | SkareCrow | um |
| 10:32.26 | liable | SkareCrow: in fact, you could prolly check my future in 10 years time, and it'l prolly be the same |
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| 10:32.34 | SkareCrow | in 2052 bill gates will be dead |
| 10:32.44 | d0uglas | oh |
| 10:32.52 | diskus | and I'll lose my driving license in 2052 :P |
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| 10:32.53 | d0uglas | <-- failed math |
| 10:33.20 | fendy | my driving license expires 2054 |
| 10:33.26 | SkareCrow | liable: what do you mean, you will still be in the laundry room with your mom? |
| 10:33.36 | d0uglas | i always found the <-- to be more badass than the /me command |
| 10:33.46 | liable | SkareCrow: stop being a fuckwit please |
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| 10:34.26 | d0uglas | skarecrow .. showmanship, gotta quit on a high note.. you're slipping |
| 10:34.39 | d0uglas | time to switch hosts and nicks |
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| 10:34.52 | SkareCrow | why should i be nice when you guys dont belive im from the future |
| 10:35.59 | liable | SkareCrow: you wait untill your dad finds you got his nick banned from FN, he'll prolly kick your ass into the future |
| 10:36.07 | SkareCrow | and fendy, you said your license expires in 2054. everyone dies in 2020 - like i said at the beginning |
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| 10:36.34 | fendy | well my license will survive, even if I don't |
| 10:36.44 | SkareCrow | liable: you will shit your pants when you see your first time portal |
| 10:36.56 | itchi | cool 14 years left to make some good releases |
| 10:36.57 | tarzeau | does buildd.debian.org resolve for you? |
| 10:37.01 | d0uglas | fendy: hmm he was consistant about 2020.. |
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| 10:37.42 | itchi | tarzeau: Working here |
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| 10:38.06 | SkareCrow | like i said, the world was going to blow up in the year 2020. i left threw a time portal in the year 2019 on december 31'st on a sunday evening |
| 10:38.07 | streuner_ | buildd.debian.org. 3600 IN A 192.25.206.59 |
| 10:38.15 | tarzeau | i need better dns servers than the ones of my nationalwide acting ISP |
| 10:38.36 | d0uglas | you mean december 29th |
| 10:38.45 | d0uglas | busted |
| 10:38.46 | fendy | aha! he's slipping |
| 10:39.13 | SkareCrow | sorry, i was thinking 31'st and yes i do mean 29th |
| 10:39.18 | SkareCrow | the 31'st is a tuesday |
| 10:39.22 | tarzeau | strange why do different people get different ips for buildd.debian.org ? |
| 10:39.23 | d0uglas | oh |
| 10:39.34 | Charminthemoose | wait,how do we know that there won't be a december 31st on a sunday? |
| 10:39.48 | Charminthemoose | maybe someone will devise a new calender |
| 10:39.53 | streuner_ | tarzeau: no idea, ask in #debian-devel |
| 10:39.55 | SkareCrow | there wont be a december 31st in 2019 on sunday |
| 10:39.59 | Charminthemoose | so therefore december 31st does fall on sunday |
| 10:40.07 | Charminthemoose | :) |
| 10:40.14 | xingu | Charminthemoose: another one? *groan* |
| 10:40.22 | SkareCrow | in december 29th of 2019 it falls on a sunday |
| 10:40.30 | SkareCrow | the 31st of december in 2019 is on a tuesday |
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| 10:41.02 | SkareCrow | december 31st does not fall on a sunday |
| 10:41.06 | SkareCrow | not of 2019 |
| 10:41.09 | dondelelcaro | clearly 2017 doesn't exist then... |
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| 10:41.42 | tarzeau | can you ping 80.219.74.74 ? |
| 10:41.46 | SkareCrow | the next year december 31st falls on a sunday is in 2017 |
| 10:42.14 | SkareCrow | 2017 does exist |
| 10:42.15 | SkareCrow | its in your future and in my past |
| 10:42.18 | SkareCrow | whitch is now going to be my future |
| 10:42.26 | amphi | SkareCrow: we have calendar programs for such crap... |
| 10:42.29 | d0uglas | round robin dns? |
| 10:42.29 | d0uglas | charmin that's why we need someone with a calendar powered by xp to determine this |
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| 10:42.50 | phogg | Charminthemoose: there are a lot of 'new calandars'. Go look on Wikipedia for calendar reform |
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| 10:43.04 | dorel__ | thats odd, i've done dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb and when i take the sdb drive and connect it to its original machine (becoming sda again) it cant boot, says it cant mount /dev/sda2 and all those |
| 10:43.16 | streuner_ | tarzeau: 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0% packet loss |
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| 10:43.31 | mazzanet | ehm |
| 10:43.45 | mazzanet | how does one add colours to `ls` |
| 10:43.51 | itchi | tarzeau: Idem here |
| 10:44.03 | tarzeau | streuner_: strange, irc works, but i can't resolve hostnames nor reach google by tcp port 80 |
| 10:44.10 | liable | dorel__: that is strange, what gives the errors? |
| 10:44.21 | SkareCrow | i know if you are logged in as root it doesnt show colors for ls, but if you are in as a regualar user it shows colors for ls |
| 10:44.22 | SkareCrow | :) |
| 10:44.56 | dorel__ | liable: when it tries to init during the boot process, very early. i agree its odd cause i've done it just like that a millions times before |
| 10:45.17 | dorel__ | liable: im using plain dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb am i missing bs or count? |
| 10:45.28 | xingu | tarzeau: d.o's auth is {saens,spohr,samosa,klecker}.d.o and they all are presently coherent that buildd is 192.25.206.59 |
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| 10:45.41 | tarzeau | xingu: seems to be a local problem here |
| 10:45.45 | xingu | tarzeau: if there's other views of reality currently cached, they don't agree with the authoritative one |
| 10:46.09 | doomster | mazzanet, look at the bashrc under /etc/skeleton |
| 10:46.24 | liable | dorel__: i dunno why it would do that, menu.list is correct? |
| 10:46.24 | xingu | tarzeau: the {soa,ns,a}-rr's ttl is 3600 so in theory this should rectify naturally within an hour |
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| 10:46.46 | dorel__ | yeah its the exact same system |
| 10:46.59 | liable | dorel__: udev installed? |
| 10:47.14 | mazzanet | doomster: ah ta |
| 10:47.21 | dorel__ | yeap udev is present |
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| 10:48.03 | xingu | tarzeau: nb just for comfort factor, the auth a-rr data for buildd is not a set, it's a single record (ie not round-robin) |
| 10:48.25 | liable | dorel__: can you chroot in and remove udev and see what happens? |
| 10:48.31 | mazzanet | doomster: well the appropriate lines are all uncommented... |
| 10:48.33 | xingu | tarzeau: obviously I have no view as to whether there's dns based loadbalancing at play, but I'd take a good guess there isn't |
| 10:48.47 | dorel__ | liable: remove as in uninstall it? |
| 10:48.54 | liable | dorel__: yeah |
| 10:49.02 | dorel__ | liable: whats my risk? |
| 10:49.38 | liable | dorel__: not much, cept some gnome shits get removed |
| 10:49.43 | doomster | mazzanet, a) which shell (is it really bash?) and b) which terminal (xterm, Eterm, console) are you using |
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| 10:49.58 | xingu | tarzeau: the only quirk I can see is that seans should be authoritative but is not responding to queries from me |
| 10:50.01 | liable | dorel__: whats it matter, its broken anyway :) |
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| 10:50.35 | dorel__ | lol ofcourse it matters :) |
| 10:50.37 | xingu | s/seans/saens/ |
| 10:50.51 | dorel__ | liable: what im saying is that i dont have any errors on the original machine |
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| 10:51.09 | mazzanet | doomster: bash, xterm (via ssh) |
| 10:51.19 | mazzanet | manually running `ls -la --color-auto` is fine |
| 10:51.27 | mazzanet | which is what the alias is supposedly doing |
| 10:51.30 | liable | dorel__: yeah, just do it, it wont break shit, but you might need to install yaird to be able to remove udev |
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| 10:51.40 | d0uglas | wait a sec is it 5:50am est or 6:50 |
| 10:51.53 | dorel__ | liable: machine 1 and 2 are completely identical in hd, hw, etc. i connected the hd of machine2 to machine1 (it became sdb) did the dd then put the hd back to machine2 and i get these errors on boot which i dont get on machine1 so thats kinda off |
| 10:51.57 | doomster | mazzanet, you are also checking configfiles on the remote machine, right? |
| 10:51.58 | amphi | d0uglas: ask date(1) |
| 10:51.59 | dorel__ | liable: off/odd |
| 10:52.02 | mazzanet | yes |
| 10:52.10 | mazzanet | local box is win32 :P |
| 10:52.28 | liable | dorel__: yeah, and the only thing i can think of is udev that could do that |
| 10:52.41 | doomster | mazzanet, also, I think ssh by default invokes bash as /bin/sh, and bash then behaves rather like a POSIX shell and doesn't look at ~/.bashrc |
| 10:52.53 | mazzanet | what about /etc/profile? |
| 10:52.58 | dorel__ | ok ill try that, just after my 2nd dd attempt finishes |
| 10:53.12 | liable | dorel__: because that disk didnt get halted by the os, the devs would remain from the original disk |
| 10:53.21 | liable | dorel__: thats my theory anyway :) |
| 10:53.23 | xingu | mazzanet: try launching xterm with "-ls" arg in addition |
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| 10:55.43 | tarzeau | damn firefox still can't render tiffs |
| 10:56.16 | blondie | tiff isn't suitable for web use, so why should it |
| 10:56.23 | tarzeau | blondie: links2 renders it |
| 10:56.33 | tarzeau | blondie: and yes, it is. why do you say it's not suitable? |
| 10:56.40 | blondie | too big |
| 10:56.47 | tarzeau | blondie: i disagree |
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| 10:58.08 | liable | tarzeau: what retarded site has tiffs on it? |
| 10:58.14 | tarzeau | liable: many |
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| 10:58.19 | tarzeau | liable: so does mine |
| 10:58.36 | liable | tarzeau: no surprises :P |
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| 10:58.40 | mazzanet | doomster: `cat /etc/skel/.bashrc >> /etc/profile` did the trick.... |
| 10:58.43 | liable | tarzeau: such as? |
| 11:00.00 | doomster | mazzanet, to be honest: I don't completely understand the connection between all those files, but I'm pretty sure you can also get the same result without fscking with system-wide files. I think my .profile just sources my .bashrc or somesuch. |
| 11:00.36 | xingu | mazzanet: what he said, also see xterm's -ls option or bash's -l option |
| 11:01.11 | mazzanet | it's not really xterm |
| 11:01.14 | mazzanet | it's via ssh |
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| 11:03.55 | mazzanet | hmm that was scary |
| 11:04.01 | mazzanet | i had to install termcap-compat |
| 11:04.08 | mazzanet | (unrelated) |
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| 11:05.17 | mazzanet | hmm |
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| 11:05.24 | mazzanet | apparently i don't have termcap support |
| 11:05.40 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is mplayer now in sid ? No more need to use Marillat's repository ? |
| 11:06.07 | asg | lord_rob: the core code is, not all of the codecs are |
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| 11:07.18 | lord_rob | asg: what could be missing ? libdvdcss and w32codecs ? What else ? as ffmpeg has been in sid for ages |
| 11:07.44 | liable | no shit, when did that happen? |
| 11:07.52 | asg | liable: yesterday apparently |
| 11:07.52 | lunitik | lord_rob: thats a lot of codecs.... |
| 11:08.06 | lord_rob | anyway libdvdcss alone is a big missing piece |
| 11:08.35 | liable | asg: interesting, dont have any good links on the background of this decision? |
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| 11:08.53 | asg | liable: it was mentioned in joey hess' blog yesterday on planet |
| 11:08.57 | lord_rob | lunitik: I've just read www.mplayerhq.hu news page. Thanks to google SoC, a lot of codecs have been added natively to ffmpeg |
| 11:08.57 | liable | ta |
| 11:09.11 | asg | liable: he's doing a minimal DWN |
| 11:09.22 | mazzanet | ah, i didn't have libncurses-dev |
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| 11:09.50 | lunitik | lord_rob: like what? ffmpeg never really works for me :/ |
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| 11:10.00 | liable | asg: have read the stuff about that :/ |
| 11:10.07 | asg | liable: ah |
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| 11:15.04 | Trewas | no wonder it snowed here this weekend, even hell must be frozen now that mplayer was finally accepted :) |
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| 11:17.25 | liable | heh, i was getting joey hess confused with joey schulze.. |
| 11:17.39 | peterrus | murning |
| 11:18.15 | liable | thats really quite cool. finally mplayer in debian :) |
| 11:19.32 | peterrus | liable: wasn't that already :/ i use mplayer since a few monts just by doing apt-get install mplayer |
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| 11:20.02 | liable | peterrus: not in official repos |
| 11:20.07 | peterrus | hmm |
| 11:20.12 | peterrus | must be me then :) |
| 11:20.43 | lord_rob | lunitik: check www.mplayerhq.hu |
| 11:20.45 | peterrus | lol, i jsut choose a wrong codec for my video, no i have a 5 hour movie of 25GB at pal quality |
| 11:20.53 | peterrus | what a waste of time |
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| 11:21.23 | liable | lord_rob: was that meant for me?? |
| 11:21.47 | liable | lord_rob: and if so, why do i want to visit that page? |
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| 11:22.07 | lunitik | liable: I asked what codecs were in ffmpeg... |
| 11:22.08 | liable | oh, no, ignore me.. |
| 11:22.28 | liable | lunitik: ya, my bad, your question had scrolled off my screen |
| 11:22.30 | Jabka | could any one plz try getting http://m560x.x3ng.com/browser/m560x/drivers/usb/media/m560x.h ( im unable to get it) |
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| 11:22.41 | Jabka | i meen to download it |
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| 11:24.02 | amphi | Jabka: works here |
| 11:24.02 | widrone | Jabka: Slow but able to get it. |
| 11:24.19 | cbr | why doesnt my ntpd handle daylight savings? |
| 11:24.20 | Jabka | strange im getting 502 error |
| 11:24.26 | cbr | oh wait it did |
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| 11:25.00 | highneko | When executing certain commands, my terminal colors all go while, and I think it froze. I use ubuntu edgy. This is the command: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 |
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| 11:25.10 | highneko | I had the same problem when installing a java package. |
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| 11:25.42 | liable | highneko: see in the /topic where it says; THIS IS NOT #ubuntu? |
| 11:25.57 | peterrus | poor bastard |
| 11:26.10 | highneko | When executing certain commands, my terminal colors all go while, and I think it froze. I use ubuntu edgy. This is the command: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 |
| 11:26.21 | peterrus | DUduuude! |
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| 11:26.38 | nkuttler | highneko: #ubuntu |
| 11:26.52 | highneko | When I type "/j debian" do you think I thought it was #ubuntu? |
| 11:27.01 | peterrus | maybe |
| 11:27.02 | highneko | I know. Please stfu. |
| 11:27.05 | peterrus | ah |
| 11:27.17 | lunitik | !ubuntu |
| 11:27.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu is A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ or /join #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 11:27.21 | peterrus | lets all... not help you.. if you talk like that |
| 11:27.21 | nkuttler | highneko: happens a lot. a lot of dumb people around. |
| 11:27.23 | liable | highneko: so why are you asking us? |
| 11:27.33 | highneko | Because it's debian based isn't it? |
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| 11:27.46 | highneko | It uses debian packages, no? |
| 11:27.51 | peterrus | why dont you ask in #ubuntu? |
| 11:27.54 | liable | oh ffs, you get all fucking smart and then come out with that!? |
| 11:27.56 | lunitik | !based on debian |
| 11:27.56 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 11:28.06 | highneko | i did, the ddamn channel is getting spammed by idtios like you guys. |
| 11:28.08 | liable | highneko: just go ask #ubuntu |
| 11:28.20 | peterrus | us guys |
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| 11:28.28 | peterrus | please leave |
| 11:28.29 | highneko | Everyone who's spamming. |
| 11:28.42 | amphi | highneko: that would be you |
| 11:28.44 | peterrus | next time ask nicely |
| 11:28.45 | nkuttler | !feed highneko |
| 11:28.57 | lord_rob | ah I see, the mplayer I use is still marillat's version. I'll continue using it instead of a stripped down version |
| 11:29.04 | peterrus | !praise nkuttler |
| 11:29.07 | highneko | When executing certain commands, my terminal colors all go while, and I think it froze. I use ubuntu edgy. This is the command: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 |
| 11:29.17 | peterrus | OMG |
| 11:29.26 | peterrus | sudo apt-get fuck off please |
| 11:29.28 | Danamania | highneko: for a more diplomatic answer - ubuntu has much that is based on debian, but it has its own packages. they're different, and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. |
| 11:29.29 | [bsd] | hi, friends! |
| 11:29.33 | liable | !ops please silence highneko |
| 11:29.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: liable complains about: please silence highneko |
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| 11:29.44 | highneko | When executing certain commands, my terminal colors all go while, and I think it froze. I use ubuntu edgy. This is the command: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 |
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| 11:29.56 | lunitik | highneko: are you really that much of an idiot? |
| 11:30.01 | amphi | !tell highneko about repeat |
| 11:30.02 | widrone | highneko: You really didnt get the message did you? Please go to ubuntu channel with your ubuntu problems. |
| 11:30.06 | peterrus | wtf i've never seen such a retard |
| 11:30.06 | lunitik | highneko: NO ONE here will help you... bugger off |
| 11:30.12 | highneko | If you wuld just stfu after my two lines I would stop idiot. |
| 11:30.14 | liable | lunitik: seeing as he asked also in #bash, i think so.. |
| 11:30.17 | highneko | When executing certain commands, my terminal colors all go while, and I think it froze. I use ubuntu edgy. This is the command: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 |
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| 11:30.36 | peterrus | satan? |
| 11:30.42 | lord_rob | :-D |
| 11:30.46 | SubStack | "colors all go while" ? |
| 11:30.48 | matholio | hey all, I read somewhere that Etch will be ready for December, but looking at debian.org, it say no such thing. does anyone know when ? |
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| 11:31.08 | peterrus | matholio: it is released when its ready :p |
| 11:31.09 | amphi | !tell matholio about wir |
| 11:31.14 | liable | mrcoyote: the original release date is the 4th |
| 11:31.19 | lord_rob | matholio: when it's done (TM) |
| 11:31.20 | matholio | peterrus: yes yes |
| 11:31.31 | peterrus | too bad for us impatient brats |
| 11:31.35 | peterS | highneko: we heard you the first and second time, you didn't need to repeat yet again. also, ubuntu questions in #debian are off-topic. |
| 11:31.36 | liable | but its not likely to be released then |
| 11:31.37 | [bsd] | which do you prefer logcheck or logwatch? |
| 11:31.57 | peterrus | peterS: just leave him, he tries to pwn us |
| 11:32.15 | highneko | Just ignore me, that's all I ask. Just everyoen stfu is all i ask. |
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| 11:32.29 | peterrus | like... no? |
| 11:32.34 | lord_rob | peterrus: I am also impatient, but I am running unstable so I don't care alot of when etch is released :-D |
| 11:32.34 | peterS | ok we'll all ignore you together now |
| 11:32.36 | liable | thank you |
| 11:32.52 | Danamania | :) |
| 11:32.57 | peterrus | whoohoo |
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| 11:33.04 | peterrus | that was fun |
| 11:33.17 | liable | no, it was annoying |
| 11:33.19 | peterS | Danamania, long time no see |
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| 11:33.48 | peterrus | lord_rob: too bad etch has no prop. nvidia drivers, i have to rip them out of etch, which makes my system even more inpure |
| 11:33.50 | RichiH | !ubuntu |
| 11:33.51 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 11:33.51 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ or /join #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 11:33.54 | peterS | or should I say, who are you and what did you do with NuBus |
| 11:33.57 | peterrus | lol |
| 11:34.09 | RichiH | i think we should integrate Danamania's answer into that |
| 11:34.11 | RichiH | 12:28:59 < Danamania> highneko: for a more diplomatic answer - ubuntu has much that is based on debian, but it has its own packages. they're different, and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. |
| 11:34.16 | RichiH | i like it |
| 11:34.25 | lord_rob | peterrus: you added non-free repo ? |
| 11:34.37 | Danamania | I am PCI now - at least, my favourite archaic machine is no longer NuBus-based. |
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| 11:35.19 | liable | RichiH: ya, prolly more likely to get the point across |
| 11:35.25 | mynullvoid | I tried to use expect to do password change in one line, following as http://floppsie.comp.glam.ac.uk/Glamorgan/gaius/scripting/5.html but after entering the first password, it seems hangs and just terminated, please assist. thank you |
| 11:35.26 | peterS | Danamania: really, you moved on from that quadras? |
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| 11:36.13 | RichiH | dpkg no, ubuntu is <reply> yes, ubuntu is based on debian. still it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 11:36.13 | dpkg | RichiH: okay |
| 11:36.13 | RichiH | !ubuntu |
| 11:36.13 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. still it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 11:36.13 | RichiH | ++ |
| 11:36.13 | Danamania | peterS: I still have the quadras, but I picked up a Daystar mac clone - four PPC604e CPUs on the one card. It's lovely =). It'll be even nicer once I figure out what's stopping it from booting any kernel. |
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| 11:36.15 | RichiH | ideas, corrections? |
| 11:36.15 | RichiH | Datasurfer: thanks :) |
| 11:36.19 | RichiH | erm |
| 11:36.23 | RichiH | Danamania: |
| 11:36.27 | peterS | Danamania: that sounds pretty yummy. errr, if it would boot. |
| 11:36.34 | Datasurfer | lol |
| 11:36.40 | Danamania | RichiH: np =) |
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| 11:36.45 | liable | needs a comma after still.. |
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| 11:37.19 | lord_rob | ans Still not still if you want to be a grammar nazi :-p |
| 11:37.21 | JKnecht | any Berliners here? |
| 11:37.23 | lord_rob | and* |
| 11:37.26 | Danamania | peterS: it's supposed to be able to, I suspect it's the kernel loader that's the problem. I'll keep playing with it from time to time and figure out what's up eventually I'm sure. |
| 11:37.35 | peterS | *nod* |
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| 11:38.42 | peterS | xingu: cdparanoia doesn't have a real-time constraint, that probably helps |
| 11:38.43 | peterrus | xingu: you can try making a dd of it |
| 11:38.54 | peterS | peterrus: good luck with that on an audio CD, dude |
| 11:38.58 | amphi | xingu: cdparanoia just keeps trying - it took 13 hours to rip a damaged cd for me once |
| 11:39.11 | peterrus | peterS: not possible? |
| 11:39.23 | xingu | peterS: seems likely; the cd rips quickly enough though, about what you'd expect for the hardware |
| 11:39.30 | peterS | peterrus: try it some time. the kernel doesn't expose a simple 'read' interface to such a thing, you have to go in with scsi commands like cdparanoia does |
| 11:39.39 | xingu | peterS: is there a way to make libparanioa buffer more to accommodate? |
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| 11:40.02 | xingu | peterS: I gather libparanoia is what rhythmbox uses under the bonnet from the deps |
| 11:40.03 | peterS | xingu: I really have no idea. I stay kind of on the edges of Linux CD handling |
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| 11:40.23 | peterS | so's I don't get my fingerprints on the metaphorical CD surfaces, y'know |
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| 11:41.01 | peterS | I _did_ once fix a bug in the kernel cdrom driver, which jens axboe had to email me back to ask why it worked (: |
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| 11:41.29 | peterS | my answer was more or less "well this other kernel version/configuration works so I just sort of copied what it does" |
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| 11:42.00 | doomster | boah, such undocumentable workarounds are hell for maintainers... |
| 11:42.29 | peterS | doomster: it was actually a straightforward bug fix, not an undocumented workaround. it's just that _I_ didn't understand the code in question. not that it wasn't good code. |
| 11:42.31 | xingu | I wouldn't mind taking the latency hit of deep buffering; but I do mind living without Live Like This |
| 11:42.40 | xingu | oh well, give in, rip it and encode it I guess is the go |
| 11:42.51 | doomster | peterS, hmm... okay. ;) |
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| 11:43.30 | peterS | doomster: or rather, I didn't understand it at any deep level, just the shallow level of "this is what the app seems to be expecting, and it used to get it, and now it's not getting it, so try to make the cdrom driver give the app what it wants" |
| 11:43.33 | peterrus | xingu: hurdle 2: it is encrypted :p |
| 11:43.40 | xingu | nope |
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| 11:44.21 | xingu | oddly enough I also picked up a cd in .my that is so heavily non-CDDA compliant that I have to rip it with eac or cdparanoia just to play the feckin thing |
| 11:44.37 | xingu | own goal there, licensing legals |
| 11:44.55 | peterrus | lol, thats right |
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| 11:46.57 | xingu | probably about time to start thinking about joining the 90's and encoding the whole library I guess, have been too space and time constrained to even consider it until recently |
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| 11:48.29 | xingu | the remainder of the collection is five years and ~90'S 40'W +/- 10' away |
| 11:48.45 | xingu | didn't have an address to ship it to. :) |
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| 11:49.18 | xingu | six years now I guess |
| 11:49.33 | liable | 90's?? |
| 11:49.35 | xingu | W? E |
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| 11:50.00 | xingu | yeah, hemispherical inversion |
| 11:50.00 | liable | you moved from nz to russia or summin? |
| 11:50.08 | xingu | it's a picture of a season standing on its head |
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| 11:50.48 | xingu | 'straya to lundun |
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| 11:51.39 | liable | close enough :) |
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| 11:52.25 | liable | hehe, i am getting colourd spam from our ubuntu friend |
| 11:52.39 | peterS | liable: yeah, isn't he cute? |
| 11:52.49 | liable | :) |
| 11:52.54 | mynullvoid | do debian have problem with expect? I tried the same code on my fedora machine and it works |
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| 11:55.09 | xingu | mynullvoid: no, you'll need to turn on some debugging; log_user 1 at the start of your script - if you can't pick the mistake, paste (ask dpkg) the script and output |
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| 11:55.33 | xingu | mynullvoid: my shot in the dark guess would be - that the prompts are subtly different between your two userlands |
| 11:56.15 | mynullvoid | xingu both awaits password: |
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| 11:58.32 | xingu | hmm, this is getting annoying, and starting to seem like a generic bug, rhythmbox has just fallen off the end of another cd, skipping tracks 5-9; this time the surface is scratchless |
| 11:59.01 | netman1 | Hi All. Spending a sunday morning in vain is enough: how do I prevent a kernel module from loading in etch, preferably the debian way? /etc/modprobe.d/aliases 'alias name off' and /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist 'blacklist name' do not work :-( |
| 11:59.08 | mynullvoid | xingu: I had put log_user 1 after the #!/usr/bin/expect where the log gonna be? |
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| 11:59.34 | xingu | output to your shell |
| 11:59.47 | liable | netman1: and its not in /etc/modules? |
| 11:59.51 | xingu | it should show a transcript of what's going on |
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| 12:00.26 | mynullvoid | xingu: none, but as what I can find in my log is auth.log:Oct 29 19:56:06 localhost passwd[4060]: (pam_unix) new password not acceptable |
| 12:00.30 | netman1 | liable: no, it's auto loaded (by udev?) I want to shutout eth1394 and irda. |
| 12:00.50 | xingu | mynullvoid: there you go; you need to handle the condition where a password which has been set, is rejected by passwd |
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| 12:01.17 | xingu | mynullvoid: try the process manually by typing the same commands to see what the proforma in such a case is |
| 12:01.50 | mynullvoid | xingu: manually works |
| 12:01.51 | liable | netman1: /msg dpkg blacklist, tried the discover.conf? |
| 12:02.10 | xingu | mynullvoid: then use expect -re ..., parse expect_out(), and an appropriate conditional |
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| 12:02.55 | mynullvoid | xingu: sorry I don't understand, do you want me to add -re after the expect at the first line? |
| 12:02.58 | netman1 | liable: tried /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist: didn't work |
| 12:03.16 | liable | netman1: but did you add it to discover.conf? |
| 12:03.25 | xingu | mynullvoid: I can't really make any constructive suggestions until you paste (ask dpkg) the script, and the failing output |
| 12:03.44 | mynullvoid | ok let me paste |
| 12:04.12 | netman1 | liable: discover.conf is not installed (it's a clean etch system, installed yesterday evening). |
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| 12:05.40 | liable | netman1: okie, only thing i can think of is to grep your modprobe files for those modules |
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| 12:07.14 | netman1 | liable: find /etc | grep mod | while read fn ; do if [ ! -d $fn ] ; then grep eth1394 $fn ; fi ; done -> nothing. |
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| 12:07.41 | rgl | hi |
| 12:08.11 | liable | netman1: heh, ok, nfc then. sorry |
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| 12:08.31 | netman1 | liable: nfc? |
| 12:08.41 | liable | no fuckin clue |
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| 12:08.53 | lord_rob | :) |
| 12:09.00 | netman1 | liable: Ok, thanks anyway. |
| 12:09.32 | mynullvoid | xingu: here you go http://paste.debian.net/15771 |
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| 12:10.26 | xingu | netman1: perhaps /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d ? |
| 12:11.07 | netman1 | xingu: tried that. Read the first 3 lines of that file: does not influence autoloading :-( |
| 12:11.30 | netman1 | xingu: sorry, wrong. |
| 12:11.53 | netman1 | xingu: /etc/hotplug is not installed on the system, clean etch. |
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| 12:13.25 | xingu | mynullvoid: that seems to have run ok to me, the last line of output is your shell prompt |
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| 12:13.35 | xingu | mynullvoid: which is what you'd expect; what makes you think it is failing? |
| 12:13.50 | xingu | netman1: intruiging; lemme burrow into udev |
| 12:14.00 | mynullvoid | the password is not changed |
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| 12:14.23 | liable | netman1: sure you got the syntax right, i cant find any modprobe entries for mine either.. |
| 12:14.27 | liable | ? |
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| 12:14.37 | xingu | mynullvoid: is that line from auth.log happening with each attempt? |
| 12:14.46 | mynullvoid | xingu: after it fills the first password, there are one empty line where it hangs and after sometimes it comes back asking for another password and it just went terminated |
| 12:15.01 | netman1 | liable: trying to do the 'right thing' ;-) |
| 12:15.12 | mynullvoid | xingu: no, I was using several scripts but all gives same error |
| 12:15.43 | liable | netman1: ya, just double check your entries in the blacklist file. i cant see where else |
| 12:16.11 | xingu | mynullvoid: I need you to paste me script output where it has failed; the attempt you've pasted as far as I can see - succeeded |
| 12:16.21 | xingu | mynullvoid: if you can catch the reprompting it would be most helpful |
| 12:16.26 | netman1 | liable/xingu: /etc/modprobe.d# cat blacklist ... "It does not affect autoloading of modules by the kernel." |
| 12:17.07 | biopyte | hi. testing here. apt-get upgrade took another 20 MB of my disk. apt-get dist-upgrade tells me that it will take another 60MB. thats a bit strange, no?! i mean, i'm just upgrading and not installing new packages. any comments? |
| 12:17.12 | mynullvoid | xingu: it hanges at line 19 at the paste |
| 12:17.32 | pelzi_ | depends on the packages |
| 12:17.44 | pelzi_ | they have a tendency to grow, some more, some less |
| 12:17.48 | amphi | biopyte: dist-upgrade can pull in new packages |
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| 12:17.51 | netman1 | liable: reading that I got to conclude there got to be a totally different way of disabling modules. |
| 12:18.11 | pelzi_ | move the .ko away ;) |
| 12:18.28 | liable | cheat! :P |
| 12:18.42 | netman1 | pelzi_: that would be the rude way. |
| 12:18.51 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 12:19.10 | biopyte | amphi: i know, but addional 60MB sounds strange to me. could it be the openoffice-stuff blowing up so much? |
| 12:19.13 | pelzi_ | depending on how often you upgrade kernels, it can be the best way. |
| 12:19.22 | pelzi_ | openoffice is Big. |
| 12:19.23 | amphi | biopyte: could be, dunno |
| 12:19.23 | xingu | netman1: just thinking laterally have you tried creating /etc/udev/blacklist ? some other distributions, google tells me, use this |
| 12:19.36 | pelzi_ | try upgrading the suspected packages separately |
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| 12:20.13 | liable | netman1: in lsmod, is that module used by any others? |
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| 12:20.46 | netman1 | xingu: haven't, am trying now. |
| 12:20.56 | netman1 | liable: yes, sbd2 |
| 12:21.11 | liable | wtf is abd2? |
| 12:21.16 | liable | sdb2 |
| 12:21.27 | netman1 | sbp2 |
| 12:21.31 | netman1 | sorry |
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| 12:21.54 | liable | ok, wtf is sbp2? :) |
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| 12:22.10 | netman1 | ;-) nfc ;-) |
| 12:22.14 | xingu | mynullvoid: I need to know what the next line issued by the passwd binary is after this hang |
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| 12:22.36 | xingu | mynullvoid: the next-steps are create a conditional test for this in your expect script and deal with the error gracefully |
| 12:22.40 | mynullvoid | it prompt for the retype password |
| 12:22.56 | liable | oh, another 1394 module.. |
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| 12:23.23 | xingu | mynullvoid: verbatim - cut/pasted |
| 12:24.00 | netman1 | liable: eth1394 18052 0 |
| 12:24.00 | netman1 | ieee1394 86584 3 sbp2,eth1394,ohci1394 |
| 12:24.04 | crypt_ex | I am updating my motherboard and cpu from a AMD Athlon XP 2400+ to a Pentium D 985 3.2Ghz, what do I need to do to make Debian boot up once the upgrade has been completed? |
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| 12:24.39 | liable | netman1: hrm, what have you got plugged into usb? |
| 12:24.40 | lunitik | crypt_ex: probably nothing.... |
| 12:24.52 | crypt_ex | Really, not even the kernel headers etc? |
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| 12:24.58 | wols_ | crypt_ex: no |
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| 12:25.16 | netman1 | liable: it's firewire and have not plugged in a thing. |
| 12:25.18 | lunitik | crypt_ex: you using a k7 kernel atm? |
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| 12:25.30 | crypt_ex | I am using linux-headers-2.6.15-1-k7 at the mo |
| 12:25.30 | wols_ | crypt_ex: maybe check you have the bootkernel you installed debian with (2.6.8-3) there |
| 12:25.37 | liable | netman1: what have you got in usb? |
| 12:25.45 | lunitik | crypt_ex: thats the only thing that MIGHT be an issue... just make sure you have a 386 kernel around... but even that shouldn't be an issue |
| 12:25.45 | wols_ | crypt_ex: what version of debian? |
| 12:25.53 | netman1 | liable: nothing at the moment. |
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| 12:26.19 | crypt_ex | okay, will make sure thats there then |
| 12:26.27 | wols_ | crypt_ex: what debian version? |
| 12:26.27 | liable | netman1: you dont have any wireless usb shits? |
| 12:26.31 | crypt_ex | Debian Testing wols_ |
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| 12:26.43 | wols_ | crypt_ex: update your kernel. it's oooold :) |
| 12:26.50 | crypt_ex | hehe |
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| 12:27.26 | crypt_ex | will do. but will wait for cpu upgrade before any apt-gets ;) |
| 12:27.32 | wols_ | your P4 chipset might want different sata drivers |
| 12:27.44 | wols_ | with new intel chipsets it's best to have the newest kernel you can |
| 12:27.57 | netman1 | liable: I do have an integrated ath0 wireless (IBM thinkpad R51), but the driver is not loaded at the moment. |
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| 12:28.11 | wols_ | tho it's mostly a CDROM thing |
| 12:28.15 | liable | netman1: yeah, thats nothing to do with it. |
| 12:28.21 | netman1 | liable: don't know what bus it's on. |
| 12:28.28 | liable | netman1: pci |
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| 12:29.00 | liable | netman1: oh well, i dunno, ask again latter i guess |
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| 12:29.08 | xingu | netman1: synopsys seems to be that both udev and the kernel should be using modprobe to do their dirty work |
| 12:29.30 | xingu | netman1: have you actually tried creating /etc/modules.d/sbp2: blacklist sbp2 |
| 12:29.32 | xingu | netman1: ? |
| 12:29.52 | xingu | netman1: err modprobe.d |
| 12:31.12 | lunitik | xingu: you realize it doesn't actually matter where 'blacklist sbp2' goes right? |
| 12:31.30 | lunitik | xingu: all files in that dir are ran no matter file name... |
| 12:31.35 | xingu | lunitik: sure but its less likely to get overwritten during modutils upgrade... |
| 12:32.10 | xingu | lunitik: I've had modprobe.d/blacklist blown away in the past which queered my milk and spooked my cattle greatly |
| 12:32.13 | netman1 | xingu: Ok, haven't tried using the modulename |
| 12:33.02 | liable | what have you been using? |
| 12:33.22 | netman1 | filename /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 12:34.12 | liable | netman1: eh? how have you been blacklisting it? |
| 12:34.51 | netman1 | liable: that's the whole point of the exercise, isn't it? I want to disable eth1394 and irda. |
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| 12:35.12 | liable | yes, but how exactly have you been doing it? |
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| 12:36.06 | netman1 | liable: /etc/modprobe.d/aliases 'alias eth1394 off', /etd/modprobe.d/blacklist 'blacklist eth1394' , |
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| 12:36.37 | netman1 | liable: /etc/udev/blacklist 'blacklist eth1394'. All failed. |
| 12:36.46 | liable | ok, i got confused for a second or 10 |
| 12:37.17 | xingu | does the initrd have a copy of modprobe.d? |
| 12:37.38 | xingu | is this maybe the problem? the load is happening in the context of the initrd's userland in early boot? |
| 12:38.00 | netman1 | xingu: have been running depmod -ae and mkinitrd-kpkg -o ..... each time. |
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| 12:39.18 | netman1 | singu: s/mkinitrd-kpkg/mkinitramfs-kpkg/g' |
| 12:39.50 | netman1 | xingu/liable: ok, trying modprobe.d/eth1394 ... |
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| 12:40.28 | xingu | netman1: what's your test-case - a reboot? |
| 12:40.57 | petemc | 3 1 |
| 12:41.50 | netman1 | xingu: yes, and it worked!!! |
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| 12:42.04 | xingu | netman1: weird. :) |
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| 12:42.35 | xingu | netman1: you got my sympathies by the way, the number of times I've played the netdev-name tango and had it due to eth1394's surprising, and surprisingly early emergence... |
| 12:42.44 | maxxle | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.08 | liable | maxxle: aticonfig, and its cli |
| 12:43.28 | xingu | netman1: I'd be much happier if it lurked somewhere that wasn't near my early network init and a little closer perhaps to display manager start |
| 12:43.31 | liable | maxxle: there is a gui though, should be in your menu |
| 12:43.55 | netman1 | xingu: So, to blacklist a module, create '/etc/modprobe.d/<name>' with 'blacklist <name>' as contents, run a 'depmod -ae' and mkinitramfs-kpkg -o /boot/initrd... `uname -r` |
| 12:43.57 | maxxle | liable: There is no Menu-item in my XFCE. I'm interessted in the GUI-App |
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| 12:44.17 | maxxle | liable: Can you check which app is going to be started? |
| 12:44.30 | liable | maxxle: look in the debian menu, if its not there, tough luck i guess.. use aticonfig |
| 12:44.43 | xingu | netman1: seems a little magic-incantation for my taste, but I won't argue with no dataset; etc/modprobe.d/blacklist should do the trick, I just avoid it having had it rewritten on me with unfortunate consequences in the past |
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| 12:44.53 | xingu | netman1: history is a bitch of a tutor |
| 12:45.08 | liable | wtf |
| 12:45.20 | netman1 | liable/xingu: Thanks guys, I'll make a wiki.debian.org entry for it, later today. Gotta help the wife first. |
| 12:45.22 | liable | it shouldnt be that fucking hard |
| 12:45.57 | netman1 | xingu: We once had the saying 'Pain is a fast tutor' ;-) |
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| 12:54.04 | xingu | this access pattern cdparanoia is using must be sending my cd's mechanism to an early grave |
| 12:55.17 | pelzi_ | just use a good CD drive and forget about reading every sector three times. :P |
| 12:55.24 | xingu | yeah yeah |
| 12:55.54 | xingu | all I wanna do is listen to the shiny shiny plastic |
| 12:56.05 | stoned | lol |
| 12:56.07 | xingu | hrm, -z is probably what's doing it |
| 12:56.18 | stoned | buy a decent stereo system if you can spare the money |
| 12:56.22 | stoned | its always a good investment |
| 12:56.32 | xingu | I've got one |
| 12:56.34 | stoned | if you like music |
| 12:56.38 | xingu | it's an 18 hour flight away |
| 12:56.42 | stoned | lol |
| 12:56.42 | xingu | with the rest of my life |
| 12:56.45 | stoned | that sucks |
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| 12:56.50 | stoned | where are you? |
| 12:56.59 | xingu | lundun |
| 12:57.07 | stoned | from? |
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| 12:57.13 | Bogaurd | i'm trying to get pure-ftpd working... it seems to be ignoring some of my configuration options though :S |
| 12:57.13 | xingu | west oz |
| 12:57.16 | stoned | ahh |
| 12:57.19 | stoned | damn |
| 12:57.35 | liable | ooh, i am heading over west shortly |
| 12:57.49 | stoned | Bogaurd, I've never used that, but I can help you with vsftpd :D |
| 12:57.57 | mynullvoid | does passwd refuses to accept passwd changes from non interactive tty's pty's ? |
| 12:58.00 | stoned | Bogaurd, which options, and what are you wanting to do? |
| 12:58.05 | abrotman | Bogaurd: checked the logs ? |
| 12:58.09 | stoned | mynullvoid, no |
| 12:58.16 | stoned | oh, yes |
| 12:58.27 | mynullvoid | ? |
| 12:58.38 | Bogaurd | stoned: basically pureftpd doesnt actually have a conf file as such. debian has a wrapper for it, that passes the command line args needed |
| 12:58.47 | stoned | ah |
| 12:58.50 | Bogaurd | i'm trying to get it to launch correctly via the wrapper |
| 12:59.04 | abrotman | oh .. i thouhgt he was using proftpd :) |
| 12:59.06 | stoned | ok, nevermind then |
| 12:59.26 | stoned | I only ever always setup vsftpd on tons of machines but not anything else |
| 12:59.34 | Bogaurd | well, i'm using proftps at the moment... and I tried vstpd |
| 12:59.36 | stoned | vs == very secure, stoned == paranoid |
| 12:59.58 | Bogaurd | they didnt seem to have enough flexibilty =\ |
| 13:00.01 | liable | yeah, ftp == secure?? |
| 13:00.06 | Bogaurd | proftpd was OK, but not too great |
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| 13:01.20 | Bogaurd | is there a way to have sort of virtual directories in proftpd? |
| 13:01.55 | liable | laters |
| 13:02.51 | vi-config | rkhunter says I have hidden files /dev/.static and /dev/.udev , best I can tell they are a part of 2.6, are they benign? |
| 13:03.19 | abrotman | there is a #proftpd |
| 13:03.56 | ovis | hi, if i patched a package and used dpkg-buildpackage build it afterward, how can i do a apt-get dist-upgrade afterward without loosing the patched package ?? |
| 13:04.44 | lunitik | !tell ovis about hold |
| 13:06.27 | ovis | thanks lunitik |
| 13:06.47 | lunitik | ovis: you're welcome :) |
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| 13:11.33 | porkpie_ | hi guy, I am running xen and using bridge-utils. When I boot into xen I cannot ping out or in. I can ping the interface address internally. |
| 13:11.43 | porkpie_ | Can anyone help please |
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| 13:13.03 | asg | lunitik: no, that would be too sensible |
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| 13:13.34 | asg | there are 128 people in ##xen though |
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| 13:14.08 | peterrus | digital hardcore |
| 13:14.13 | lunitik | asg: #xen doesn't forward you? |
| 13:14.30 | asg | lunitik: maybe, I've never been in there |
| 13:14.48 | peterrus | what? |
| 13:14.55 | peterrus | i didnt do anything |
| 13:15.15 | peterrus | i am going to commit a sin |
| 13:15.23 | peterrus | i am going to install windbox |
| 13:15.32 | peterrus | window$ that is |
| 13:15.33 | lunitik | peterrus: every time I've been here in the last 2-3 days, you've said nothing of relevance and are just annoying... |
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| 13:15.46 | Charminthemoose | sponges are fun!! |
| 13:15.50 | peterrus | lunitik: thank you, i prefer to read what you guys tell me |
| 13:15.52 | peterrus | OMG |
| 13:15.53 | craigevil | why would anyone in there right mind install windows |
| 13:15.58 | peterrus | i do |
| 13:16.06 | peterrus | to expiriment with exploits ^^ |
| 13:16.10 | Charminthemoose | I dual boot linux and windows 98SE |
| 13:16.18 | peterrus | but that is really the only reason |
| 13:16.22 | Mulama | Hello, I have problem with LVM, i can't found what i do wrong:( there is log http://counting.xf.cz/id2964.html :( |
| 13:16.31 | Charminthemoose | I mainly use windows for gaming |
| 13:16.40 | craigevil | install vista supposedly the kernel has already been cracked |
| 13:17.06 | peterrus | yeah and that too. but i hardly game |
| 13:17.06 | peterrus | vista = not good |
| 13:17.06 | peterrus | bad bad |
| 13:17.12 | peterrus | i heard there are more backdoors than ever before :) |
| 13:17.14 | Charminthemoose | somedays I boot up windows and it just feckin' freezes. |
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| 13:17.24 | weissi | Mulama, http://counting.xf.cz/id2964.html : "We're sorry... service is temporarily unavailable." |
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| 13:17.51 | Mulama | ou shit :( |
| 13:17.53 | Mulama | grr |
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| 13:18.09 | peterrus | this is really strange i gotta say |
| 13:18.28 | craigevil | i had xp until it finally just died one day for no reason |
| 13:18.34 | craigevil | so it went bye bye |
| 13:18.53 | dvs | craigevil: MS way of getting you to buy Vista. ;-) |
| 13:19.22 | peterrus | i have a driver on diskette for my raid chip and i need it to install windows or else my hd isnt recognised. but the driver and the disk it comes from are totally english. though the drivers only work on a dutch version of windows |
| 13:19.24 | peterrus | xp |
| 13:19.31 | peterrus | i feel screwed |
| 13:19.34 | Charminthemoose | vista incorporates the equivalent of 3ddesktop about 6 years after it was first released. |
| 13:19.36 | Charminthemoose | laaame |
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| 13:19.53 | peterrus | lol that 3d desktop thing is lame and wannebee linux |
| 13:20.11 | craigevil | everything about vista is wannabee linux |
| 13:20.15 | peterrus | indeed |
| 13:20.16 | amphi | 3ddesktop is lame |
| 13:20.21 | peterrus | those gdesklets |
| 13:20.27 | peterrus | just like linux |
| 13:20.27 | Charminthemoose | 3ddesktop is a great peice of eyecandy. |
| 13:20.35 | peterrus | not if it is in windows |
| 13:20.44 | peterrus | those clock and gauge thingys are so much faked |
| 13:20.50 | craigevil | beryl+compiz is very nice eyecandy |
| 13:20.52 | peterrus | we had them years ago in linux |
| 13:20.53 | asg | 08:20 Ignoring ALL from peterrus |
| 13:21.04 | peterrus | asg: why is that? |
| 13:21.12 | Charminthemoose | ignored.. |
| 13:21.23 | dvs | peterrus: asg can't hear you |
| 13:21.31 | peterrus | dvs: wtf did i do? |
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| 13:21.36 | peterrus | for crap sake |
| 13:21.37 | amphi | Charminthemoose: just slows down switching workspaces - I looked at it briefly |
| 13:22.08 | dvs | peterrus: I just got here so I don't know but it's his perrogative. |
| 13:22.13 | Charminthemoose | amphi:Yah,but it looks cool.:) |
| 13:22.28 | amphi | Charminthemoose: pfft |
| 13:22.32 | peterrus | if he can' t give a good reason i shite on him |
| 13:22.33 | Charminthemoose | hehe |
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| 13:22.37 | killown | I load module sundance for my card network encore but when I try ifconfig eth1 not found it I have other card via rhine as eth0 how I do to load eth1? |
| 13:22.37 | amphi | Charminthemoose: it's a complete PITA |
| 13:23.03 | Charminthemoose | amphi:piffle,each to his own |
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| 13:23.08 | peterrus | killown: ifup eth1? |
| 13:23.12 | peterrus | or eth0 |
| 13:23.36 | Charminthemoose | 3ddesktop isn't useful,'tis merely eyecandy |
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| 13:23.45 | abrotman | peterrus: can you please be quiet |
| 13:24.11 | peterrus | abrotman: can you please tell me wtf i am doing wrong so i can change my frikking behaviour |
| 13:24.20 | abrotman | you're being a total ass |
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| 13:24.26 | amphi | Charminthemoose: if it was merely not useful, I'd be ok with it, but it's counterproductive |
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| 13:24.39 | peterrus | is that so? then tell me why, because i didnt meant it that way |
| 13:25.12 | Charminthemoose | your right amphi |
| 13:25.14 | Charminthemoose | XD |
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| 13:26.07 | killown | peterrus, Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1. |
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| 13:26.31 | Charminthemoose | killown:You have to add a iface block to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:26.38 | Charminthemoose | man interfaces for more info |
| 13:26.45 | peterrus | killown: and thats difficult if you ask me |
| 13:26.46 | abrotman | killown: ignore peterrus .. he has no idea what he's talking about |
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| 13:27.13 | killown | abrotman ok |
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| 13:27.28 | abrotman | killown: Charminthemoose is doing better :) |
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| 13:28.21 | peterrus | fantastic... |
| 13:28.21 | killown | Charminthemoose, hello |
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| 13:28.32 | Phated | Which is more than peterrus has, by the looks of things. |
| 13:28.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:28.39 | Charminthemoose | killown hi |
| 13:29.15 | Charminthemoose | well,i'm gonna go for now and eat some food. |
| 13:29.26 | killown | ChanServ, I have two cards network in my pc but I cannot load card encore to eth1 |
| 13:29.35 | killown | ops |
| 13:29.41 | abrotman | hah |
| 13:30.02 | abrotman | killown: does the IP on the NIC matter or are they both dhcp ? |
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| 13:30.27 | killown | abrotman dhcp |
| 13:30.37 | abrotman | both of them ? |
| 13:30.44 | killown | nope |
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| 13:31.08 | killown | abrotman, eth1 dont up |
| 13:31.16 | abrotman | is it defined? |
| 13:31.21 | dvs | killown: but do you want eth1 to have dhcp? |
| 13:31.29 | killown | dvs, nope |
| 13:31.33 | dvs | ok |
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| 13:32.02 | killown | I just want load eth1 to my card encore sundance |
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| 13:33.47 | aronofsky | Hi, im on debian testing and id like to try to use aiglx, I got an nvidia video card ; what driver should I use in order tp make it works ? |
| 13:34.33 | ]Gnea[ | !tell aronofsky about nvidia one-liner |
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| 13:35.15 | ]Gnea[ | !tell aronofsky about etch nvidia |
| 13:35.18 | craigevil | aronofsky: you need one of the newer beta drivers |
| 13:35.30 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 13:37.01 | abrotman | killown: what is the module that you need ? |
| 13:37.28 | killown | I copy sundance.ko to /lib/modules/ to load it |
| 13:37.33 | abrotman | copy? |
| 13:37.36 | abrotman | whatever .. |
| 13:37.39 | killown | lsmod yes |
| 13:37.40 | abrotman | lsmod . is it loaded now ? |
| 13:37.51 | killown | lsmod sundance 24320 0 |
| 13:37.57 | killown | yes |
| 13:37.58 | abrotman | okay .. did you define the card in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 13:38.08 | killown | abrotman, nope |
| 13:38.10 | abrotman | does 'dmesg' see the card ? |
| 13:38.15 | killown | nope |
| 13:38.24 | abrotman | does lspci see it ? |
| 13:38.26 | aronofsky | ]Gnea[ craigevil Cant i use nvidia.com drivers ? |
| 13:39.05 | craigevil | i dont think its recommened to load them directly |
| 13:39.07 | killown | I go see now |
| 13:39.14 | craigevil | follow one of the guides |
| 13:39.21 | ]Gnea[ | aronofsky: you don't want to do that with debian. |
| 13:39.29 | killown | abrotman, 0000:00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Sundance Technology Inc: Unknown device 0200 ( |
| 13:39.39 | abrotman | killown: update-pciids .. do it again |
| 13:39.52 | aronofsky | ]Gnea[> why is that ? |
| 13:40.23 | ]Gnea[ | aronofsky: because debian has a special way of making sure that it will work right. if you use nvidia.com, it will break your system and you'll have more problems. we don't support using nvidia.com |
| 13:40.33 | killown | abrotman, [17179589.748000] sundance.c:v1.01+LK1.10 28-Oct-2005 Written by Donald Becker in dmesg |
| 13:42.13 | killown | ok |
| 13:42.13 | vi-config | are the hidden files /dev/.static and /dev/.udev part of a normal 2.6 install? |
| 13:42.13 | aronofsky | ok |
| 13:42.13 | abrotman | that's from dmesg ? |
| 13:42.13 | abrotman | vi-config: that's udev |
| 13:42.13 | killown | yes |
| 13:42.14 | vi-config | rkhunter freaked me out, thanks |
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| 13:42.14 | abrotman | killown: now .. define the eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:42.14 | abrotman | gravity \o/ |
| 13:42.14 | dvs | gravity: X.Org 7.1 is beautiful |
| 13:42.14 | killown | abrotman ok |
| 13:42.14 | dn4 | dvs, pics? |
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| 13:42.15 | dvs | dn4: the real thing |
| 13:42.15 | gravity | dvs: Glad to hear it |
| 13:42.22 | killown | abrotman, iface eth1 inet? |
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| 13:42.41 | abrotman | that's part of it .. yes |
| 13:42.46 | abrotman | oh wait .. you're missing a word |
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| 13:42.52 | killown | ok |
| 13:42.59 | abrotman | you need one more word ... |
| 13:43.02 | abrotman | man 5 interfaces |
| 13:43.14 | Charminthemoose | iface eth1 inet dchp/static i think...... |
| 13:43.17 | abrotman | or rather .. you should have one more |
| 13:43.48 | killown | auto eth1 ? |
| 13:43.54 | killown | iface eth1 inet dchp/static |
| 13:44.00 | Charminthemoose | no killown |
| 13:44.09 | killown | but dont works |
| 13:44.12 | Charminthemoose | iface eth1 inet dhcp or static |
| 13:44.13 | killown | ah |
| 13:44.31 | Charminthemoose | or man 5 interfaces like abrotman said |
| 13:44.35 | killown | too dont work |
| 13:44.50 | killown | ok |
| 13:44.50 | dvs | Charminthemoose: but I only want one interface |
| 13:45.03 | killown | I want two |
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| 13:45.05 | Charminthemoose | the last word is EITHER dhcp OR static |
| 13:45.09 | killown | eth0 and eth1 |
| 13:45.17 | abrotman | paste the whole file |
| 13:45.19 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:45.19 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 13:46.01 | ongeboren | is there firefox 2 for debian ? (whatever its name would be0 |
| 13:46.28 | abrotman | i think there's an RC in experimental |
| 13:46.49 | killown | hm |
| 13:46.53 | craigevil | 1.5.0.8 should be out in the next week or so |
| 13:47.03 | Charminthemoose | abrotman:Is there a diference between the command man interfaces and man 5 interfaces? |
| 13:47.35 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: probably not on your box .. but there could be i suppose .. that man page is in section 5 .. so it's best to clarify |
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| 13:48.15 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: if there were a command called 'interfaces' .. it would come up first |
| 13:48.28 | killown | eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 13:48.44 | Charminthemoose | abrotman:Ah how very enlightening. |
| 13:48.50 | aronofsky | ]Gnea[, sorry but im still kinda lost , what should i get on the site , those 3 files : nvidia-graphics-drivers , nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1 and nvidia-graphics-modules-i386 ? |
| 13:48.50 | jindal | hullo guys, would like to know is libssl.o.0 and openssl.0.x same? if ya why they are named differnetly resulting in library loading errors) |
| 13:49.00 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=interfaces&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386 |
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| 13:49.19 | ongeboren | abrotman, is it possible to install just one package from experimental with apt-get? or should i install it with dpkg directly ? |
| 13:49.32 | ongeboren | abrotman, it's unstable i have here |
| 13:49.54 | abrotman | ongeboren: you can try .. you'd have to learn about pinning .. but as i said .. it's an RC version |
| 13:50.05 | abrotman | 1.99+2.0b2+dfsg-1: i386 sparc |
| 13:50.09 | abrotman | i guess .. beta2 ? |
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| 13:50.42 | Charminthemoose | I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT! |
| 13:51.02 | abrotman | all of it .. at once? |
| 13:51.41 | Charminthemoose | i just scanned the first page.................. |
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| 13:52.47 | abrotman | first page of what ? |
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| 13:53.13 | Charminthemoose | of that link. |
| 13:53.17 | Charminthemoose | nvm |
| 13:53.22 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:53.30 | Charminthemoose | i'm being an idiot again |
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| 13:55.21 | Berdine | Stupid newbie question... How can I make gaim windows flash in the panel when there's a new message? :3 |
| 13:55.26 | rayk3n | hi can anyone help me disable the logging of dhclient on my syslogd |
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| 13:57.22 | abrotman | Berdine: ask #gaim |
| 13:57.38 | rayk3n | its flooding my /var/log/messages with something like this pc2 dhclient: bound to 192.168.0.88 -- renewal in 252 second |
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| 14:00.15 | aronofsky | id like to install nvidia driver on testing to be able to use aiglx, some gave me this link http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php , but i dont know what i should install exactly , there are several packages and im kinda lost |
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| 14:01.05 | aronofsky | can anyone help me ? |
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| 14:01.33 | abrotman | rayk3n: /etc/syslog.conf ? |
| 14:02.01 | rayk3n | abortman yeah but how? |
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| 14:02.44 | aronofsky | what should i get , nvidia-graphics-drivers , nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1 , nvidia-graphics-modules-i386 ... or all of them ? |
| 14:05.11 | Grzybek | hi, after last dist-upgrade my x's doesnt work. when i want to install fglrx driver it is an error with kernel-heades-src, any suggerstions? |
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| 14:07.07 | killown | abrotman, in dmsge i get [17179594.056000] eth1: IC Plus Corporation IP100A FAST Ethernet Adapter at 00019000, 00:08:54:d5:54:d4, IRQ 209. [17179594.064000] eth1: No MII transceiver found, aborting. ASIC status 63 |
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| 14:07.27 | abrotman | is it plugged in ? |
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| 14:07.44 | killown | yes |
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| 14:08.43 | abrotman | are you sure that's the right driver? |
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| 14:09.13 | killown | abrotman yes I get driver in floopy install |
| 14:09.37 | abrotman | floppy ? |
| 14:09.41 | abrotman | what kind of card is this ? |
| 14:10.22 | Zweideutig | I want to install XFree86 because I'm having a strange video problem with X.org. |
| 14:10.26 | killown | abrotman encore ENCORE ENL832-TX-ICNT |
| 14:10.36 | Grzybek | hi, after last dist-upgrade my x's doesnt work. when i want to install fglrx driver it is an error with kernel-heades-src, can any1 help? |
| 14:10.46 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 14:10.46 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 14:10.50 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:10.50 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:11.04 | CharminTheMoose | Unexpected ICMP type/code 3/0 unreachable packet: why in the name of good fluffy things do i get this when I sudo nmap my externel ip address? |
| 14:11.19 | Zweideutig | Why doesn't Debian still include an older version of XFree86 as an alternative? |
| 14:11.29 | abrotman | Zweideutig: in etch ? |
| 14:11.35 | Zweideutig | Yeah. |
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| 14:11.46 | Zweideutig | I can't find my Stable install CD. :\ |
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| 14:12.15 | abrotman | you could use stable http sources .. but gravity has indicated before that it'd probably be a bad idea to install xfree86 on etch |
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| 14:13.00 | netman1 | xingu/liable: Get's weirder with every module: eth1394 gets disabled by /etc/modprobe.d/eth1394 'blacklist eth1394', but irda isn't. Even when I replace /etc/modprobe.d/aliases 'alias net-pf-23 irda' with 'alias net-pf-23 off' too, irda still gets loaded. Any sugestions? |
| 14:13.30 | Zweideutig | If I run X.org at 1400x1050 with the proprietary ATI driver, I get a stupid ****ing rectangle of varying colors that follows my mouse cursor. |
| 14:14.14 | Zweideutig | IT won't do that at lower resolutions. But since the Thinkpad T60's native resolution is 1400x1050, anything lower is fuzzy. |
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| 14:14.52 | abrotman | you might want to ask #ati |
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| 14:15.21 | CharminTheMoose | Unexpected ICMP type/code 3/0 unreachable packet: why in the name of good fluffy things do i get this when I sudo nmap my externel ip address? |
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| 14:20.14 | porkpie_ | is anyone here running network-bridge with xen |
| 14:21.14 | netman1 | porkpie_: hick up your question ;-) |
| 14:21.44 | porkpie_ | netman1 |
| 14:21.59 | porkpie_ | netman1:would do you mean |
| 14:22.24 | netman1 | porkpie_: don't ask to ask, just ask. |
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| 14:23.34 | porkpie_ | netman1:OK ..I am running bridge-utils with xen ...I cannot ping out or in but I can ping the interface ipaddress locally |
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| 14:25.09 | lunitik | !tell porkpie about repeat |
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| 14:25.16 | lunitik | porkpie: try ##xen |
| 14:25.45 | porkpie_ | lunitik:I have ....thats why I came here |
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| 14:26.07 | lunitik | porkpie: no one here knows about Xen apparently... try again later |
| 14:26.36 | porkpie_ | OK |
| 14:27.49 | netman1 | porktpie_: can you ping your default gateway? |
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| 14:28.47 | CharminTheMoose | wtf would you want to run xen? |
| 14:30.08 | netman1 | CharminTheMoose: To run all kinds of wonderfull stuff like Windows or *BSD parallel with Debian ;-) |
| 14:30.40 | qailer | there where some client/server torrent programs in debian not built on php right? which is the name of these? |
| 14:30.49 | CharminTheMoose | riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.............. |
| 14:30.59 | abrotman | qailer: uhm .. yeah .. apt-cache search torrent |
| 14:32.13 | qailer | abrotman: those I'm looking for ain't listed under torrent |
| 14:32.45 | abrotman | so you're looking for a specific one |
| 14:33.14 | conreyt | netman1: check the http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/ page |
| 14:33.21 | qailer | abrotman, yeah, well some client/server torrent with gtk client |
| 14:33.54 | qailer | I'm not sure there is one but I know there where some more client/server than torrentflux |
| 14:33.58 | abrotman | apt-cache show torrent doesn't show any ? |
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| 14:34.15 | abrotman | sowrry .. apt-cache search torrent |
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| 14:35.14 | qailer | I'm pretty sure I have to know the name of the prorgam |
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| 14:35.18 | qailer | prorgam* |
| 14:35.24 | qailer | (sry) |
| 14:35.32 | qailer | program |
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| 14:53.42 | robin_sz | ooh, fun. |
| 14:56.35 | termx | Hi, how can i change module loading order? |
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| 14:58.52 | dorel__ | here's something interesting.... |
| 15:00.15 | dorel__ | during dd to a 2nd hd i received: CPU 0: Machine Check Exception: 00000000000000000000004 Bank 3: b200000000070f0f Kernel panic - not syncing: CPU context corrupt |
| 15:00.43 | dorel__ | whats up with that? |
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| 15:00.56 | nvz | you'd have3 to google it |
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| 15:01.11 | nvz | MCEs are generally non fatal exceptions raised by the cpu |
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| 15:05.35 | dorel__ | nvz: like a faulty cpu? |
| 15:05.54 | Phil2 | hi there, need a little bit of help |
| 15:06.05 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know how i can locally miror a website with wget? |
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| 15:06.52 | Phil2 | where would I put a link to a bash script which creates a network bridge between 2 interfaces so that the bridge is created on boot? |
| 15:07.04 | tosh| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:07.08 | tarjei | hi, when did apache 2.2 end up in debian testing? I just did an apt-get upgrade and got 2.2 instead of 2.0. Deos anyone know if this is correct? |
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| 15:07.48 | Phil2 | I got it yesterday evening tarjei |
| 15:08.03 | dorel__ | Phil2: you need to create an init.d script for it |
| 15:08.12 | Phil2 | I already updated yesterday morning so it must have come in sometime during the day |
| 15:08.30 | Phil2 | is it not enough to put a sym link to the script in /etc/init.d/ dorel__? |
| 15:08.39 | dorel__ | Phil2: there's no rc.local if thats what you're looking for although do check /etc/init.d/skel for a template of an init.d script |
| 15:08.53 | glitch- | i'm partially through my install of Gentoo, and I am trying to emerge xorg-x11...and while emerging --sync, i'm getting message rsync: mkestemp "... failed ....no space left on device (28).is my /root really full? |
| 15:09.10 | asg | glitch-: #gentoo |
| 15:09.31 | glitch- | opppss |
| 15:09.53 | tarjei | Phil2: ok, I didn't expext it to come this late in the process. |
| 15:10.08 | tarjei | I guess I should have been running stable on the box |
| 15:10.23 | Phil2 | I prefer testing |
| 15:10.59 | tarjei | part of my problem is that I get a segfault when restarting apche |
| 15:11.02 | tarjei | after the upgrade |
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| 15:12.15 | Phil2 | hmmm |
| 15:12.18 | Phil2 | most odd |
| 15:12.20 | Phil2 | worked fine here |
| 15:12.36 | tarjei | I just tracked it down |
| 15:12.41 | tarjei | 2.2 does not work with a 2.4 kernel |
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| 15:13.12 | tarjei | what is the correc name for the basic 2.6 kernel image? linux-2.6 ? |
| 15:13.22 | Phil2 | 1 sec |
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| 15:13.38 | asg | tarjei: apt-get install kernel-image (or linux-image if you are post-sarge). Pick and install one from the list provided |
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| 15:13.55 | tarjei | asg: thanks |
| 15:15.44 | maxxle | If I try to mount my mp3-player I get this message: "Unable to load NLS charset iso8859-1". locales-gen shows me the following locales: en_GB.ISO-8859-1 de_DE.ISO-8859-1... de_DE.ISO-8859-1 de_DE.ISO-8859-1 e_DE.ISO-8859-15@euro Do I really have to compile a new kernel or how can I solve this problem? |
| 15:16.24 | tosh| | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.40 | ofer0 | maxxle, try with -o nls=utf8 |
| 15:16.48 | tarjei | tosh|: I'm using it with ubuntu. It works very nicely. Have you installed the firmware? |
| 15:18.08 | tosh| | tarjei I installed the firmware, I tried with the 2.6.18 kernel drivers (wep works, wpa doesn't, "operation not supported"). removed all references to the kernel driver, compiled ieee80211 and ipw2200 myself, installed it, now the errormessage is gone but when I run wpa_supplicant in debug mode it sees the ap but just prints "no suitable ap found" |
| 15:18.09 | maxxle | ofer0: FAT: Unrecognized mount option "nls=utf8" or missing value |
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| 15:18.43 | tosh| | tarjei thats my problem.. |
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| 15:19.54 | Phil2 | ah |
| 15:20.02 | Phil2 | all sorted |
| 15:20.03 | Phil2 | thanks :) |
| 15:20.11 | netman1 | liable/xingu: to disable irda I had to disable the modules irtty_sir, sir_dev and nsc_ircc too, in the same way as eth1394: /etc/modprobe.d/<name> 'blacklist <name>'. |
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| 15:21.27 | ofer0 | maxxle, are we talking about fat16 (fat) or fat32 (vfat)? |
| 15:22.30 | maxxle | ofer0: this is the line i mounted it before recompiling my kernel: "mount -t vfat $1 /mnt/thomson -o umask=000" |
| 15:22.39 | maxxle | ofer0: ... so vfat |
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| 15:23.45 | Bhaal | Is there a way to find the parent process of a zombied process? |
| 15:24.09 | daedalus_ | Bhaal: ps ? |
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| 15:24.24 | Bhaal | Is there a way to show the linking? |
| 15:24.39 | asg | Bhaal: the manpage will tell you |
| 15:24.50 | Bhaal | yeah, see it now |
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| 15:25.21 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 15:25.37 | Shadowcat | I can't believe I'm installing debian64 in order to run vmware64 in order to run Windows Server 2003 64 |
| 15:25.43 | asg | Bhaal: pstree -p is also helpful |
| 15:25.51 | Bhaal | Got it... |
| 15:25.51 | Shadowcat | because Windows XP 64 won't run properly on this box due to lack of drivers |
| 15:26.02 | Shadowcat | anyone see the irony in this situation? |
| 15:26.02 | Bhaal | firefox seemed to have opened a wine process... odd |
| 15:26.56 | robin_sz | probably a windows virus using wine to crap all over your linux box ;) |
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| 15:27.05 | tarjei | tosh|: I don't think I can help you. It worked fairly out of the box for me |
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| 15:27.36 | daedalus_ | Shadowcat: Headline: Debian enables Windows! |
| 15:28.15 | glitch- | I have here a DVD which MacOS can read perfectly, but Debian cannot |
| 15:28.17 | tosh| | tarjei k |
| 15:28.31 | tosh| | glitch- what filesystem is it? |
| 15:29.01 | glitch- | and it's on the same hardwareRC bug?it's possible that this particular DVD has an incomplete session at the beginning of the disc, which could then confuse Linux but not MacOS somehow?the fact that "dd" only reads four sectors and that the kernel blatters about reading off the end of the disk when I try to mount it, eh? |
| 15:29.24 | Shadowcat | daedalus_: well I'm kind of pissed off that Microsoft couldn't fix their own x64 crap yes |
| 15:29.43 | Shadowcat | but I'm learning Windows Server 2003 (work) so I might as well take a look at their broken x64 version |
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| 15:37.04 | xingu | glitch-: entirely probable; linux's udf support has made some creative choices with respect to correctness verses fragility |
| 15:37.16 | enouf | glitch-: modprobe udf |
| 15:37.27 | glitch- | thanks |
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| 15:38.01 | enouf | glitch-: have you tried to loop mount it yet? |
| 15:38.10 | glitch- | not yet |
| 15:38.13 | xingu | glitch-: see ... linux/Documentation/filesystems/udf.txt |
| 15:38.16 | glitch- | ill try it later |
| 15:38.19 | glitch- | okay |
| 15:38.23 | xingu | glitch-: there's various mount options available |
| 15:38.24 | enouf | glitch-: modprobe loop |
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| 15:40.46 | amortvigil | hey is there some sort of sony's connect player replacement in ubuntu? |
| 15:41.11 | asg | amortvigil: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:41.24 | xingu | or sony. :) |
| 15:41.45 | amortvigil | asg debian packages work in ubuntu too |
| 15:41.53 | amortvigil | and none knows it in ubuntu |
| 15:42.00 | Tuxico | but debian != ubuntu |
| 15:42.10 | tosh| | anyone running 2.6.18 and using a ipw2200 wlan nic? |
| 15:42.20 | Tuxico | tosh|, yep |
| 15:42.27 | asg | amortvigil: whether they do or not is irrelevant. We don't run Ubuntu so we don't know what packages they do or don't have. |
| 15:42.46 | tosh| | Tuxico what module are you using? kernel default or self-compiled? |
| 15:43.03 | Tuxico | tosh|, kernel default |
| 15:43.14 | tosh| | Tuxico using it with wpa? |
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| 15:43.41 | Tuxico | tosh|, yep you need wpa support in your kernel configuration |
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| 15:44.13 | tosh| | its an apt-getted 2.6.18-1 debian unstable kernel, it has wpa |
| 15:44.17 | tosh| | or at least it should |
| 15:44.27 | tosh| | Tuxico did you recompile your kernel? |
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| 15:45.30 | Tuxico | tosh|, yes I prefer ;) some problem with self-compiled driver? |
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| 15:46.11 | tosh| | Tuxico i compiled the driver myself but wpa_supplicant always says "no suitable ap found" when going over the list of detected aps (my ap is in the list) |
| 15:46.35 | amortvigil | ASG well than i want to install it on my debian server so which program cvan i use? |
| 15:46.41 | glitch- | xingu:This is ISO |
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| 15:47.06 | asg | amortvigil: ask #ubuntu how to search for packages |
| 15:47.12 | tosh| | Tuxico did you recompile your kernel? |
| 15:47.23 | Tuxico | tosh|, yes i did |
| 15:47.58 | tosh| | Tuxico what did you add? |
| 15:48.03 | tosh| | Tuxico for wireless/wpa\ |
| 15:48.40 | glitch- | enouf:This is ISO |
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| 15:48.53 | Phil2 | hi there, another small problem |
| 15:49.04 | Phil2 | I have a bridge between 2 interfaces working |
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| 15:49.15 | Phil2 | each of the interfaces is connected to a router |
| 15:49.24 | Tuxico | tosh|, wpa support and ipw2200 driver but it must be in the default kernel you installed |
| 15:49.32 | Phil2 | I want to stop trafic on certain ports from passing over the bridge |
| 15:49.41 | Phil2 | iptables seems not to do this |
| 15:49.44 | Phil2 | any suggestions? |
| 15:49.56 | tosh| | Tuxico going to reinstall the kernel modules for it, see if does anything but I doubt it |
| 15:50.02 | asg | Phil2: maybe #iptables knows. Or use OpenBSD as the bridge device |
| 15:50.03 | tosh| | Tuxico what kernel are you running again? |
| 15:50.13 | Tuxico | tosh|, 2.6.17.7 |
| 15:50.30 | Tuxico | tosh|, but already tried with a 2.6.18 |
| 15:50.42 | tosh| | and you're using wpa/psk ? |
| 15:51.03 | Tuxico | tosh|, yes |
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| 15:51.20 | kender | hi |
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| 15:51.53 | kender | how can I auto mount at the start of the system a XFS partition, with permisions to normal users to write and read? |
| 15:51.54 | tosh| | Tuxico thanks for the info, ill try again i suppose |
| 15:52.02 | tosh| | kender edit /etc/fstab |
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| 15:52.16 | Tuxico | tosh|, is your firmware correctly installed? |
| 15:52.22 | tosh| | Tuxico latest version |
| 15:52.23 | kender | tosh|, yes, I know |
| 15:52.40 | tosh| | kender put xfs as the filesystem and add the necessary mount options? |
| 15:52.41 | tosh| | man mount |
| 15:52.48 | kender | yes yes |
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| 15:53.03 | yos87 | Hi |
| 15:53.14 | kender | tosh|, the problem is that uid nor gid nor umask are available |
| 15:53.16 | Tuxico | tosh|, and did you compile the driver and the kernel with the same version of gcc? |
| 15:53.27 | tosh| | Tuxico I did yes |
| 15:53.37 | tosh| | 4.1.2 |
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| 15:53.59 | yos87 | When I'm trying to install Java, I have error: ./jar-1_5_0_09-linux-i586-rpm.bin: line 641; rpm: command not found. done. |
| 15:54.07 | Tuxico | tosh|, mmh so its about the self-compiled driver |
| 15:54.13 | kender | yos87, install alien |
| 15:54.24 | kender | or rpm package |
| 15:54.29 | yos87 | kender? what is alien? |
| 15:54.30 | asg | yos87: or use java-package |
| 15:54.40 | kender | yos87, aptitude show alien |
| 15:54.42 | kender | ;-) |
| 15:55.00 | yos87 | kender: what is Java Package? |
| 15:55.08 | craigevil | or just use unstable non-free repo and apt-get update && apt-get install sun-java5-jdk |
| 15:55.09 | asg | !java-package |
| 15:55.10 | dpkg | [java-package] a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 15:55.13 | asg | yos87: ^^ |
| 15:55.24 | kender | tosh|, any idea? |
| 15:55.48 | asg | lunitik: not on sarge it isn't |
| 15:56.02 | lunitik | asg: meh... I can't wait for Sarge to be obsolete :P |
| 15:56.10 | lunitik | asg: its not in etch either though huh? |
| 15:56.12 | asg | lunitik: I still have production woody boxen |
| 15:56.20 | lunitik | asg: ew |
| 15:56.38 | asg | lunitik: scheduled for decom and not worth upgrading due to the massive pita it would be. |
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| 15:56.47 | tosh| | kender you want to set a specific uid/gid for the mounted drive, right? |
| 15:57.05 | kender | yes, for example that's an option |
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| 15:57.54 | lunitik | I tried potato ... but I couldn't get it up and running... ended up giving up and going back to Red Hat until Woody was released |
| 15:58.20 | tosh| | kender just looked into it, apparantly xfs doesn't support that kind of options for fstab |
| 15:58.39 | tosh| | maybe try some automounter to see if you can automate it using a normal mount -o command? |
| 15:59.13 | kender | tosh|, and, any idea how to do that? |
| 15:59.28 | kender | tosh|, supermount? |
| 15:59.33 | tosh| | kender look up the docs of the automounter, i personally hate automounter :) |
| 15:59.38 | tosh| | maybe someone else in here knows more |
| 16:00.08 | tosh| | im going to reboot and reinstall my 2.6.18 kernel package to get my p.o.s. ipw2200 card to work |
| 16:00.22 | kender | thanks tosh| |
| 16:00.29 | tosh| | kender good luck |
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| 16:00.59 | kender | anybody knows if reiserfs supports gid or id...? |
| 16:01.12 | xingu | well, bo was the first commercial system I built, I guess I started at home on 0.93r6 |
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| 16:01.51 | xingu | but it wasn't until bo I was happy with the uucp locking on tty's, happy enough to fall asleep with a pager nearby anyway |
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| 16:02.38 | xingu | I've even got the c. '94 linuxcounter entry to prove it. :) |
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| 16:04.43 | zimnyx | acpi output on my PC returns not up-to-date info about batery status. When i execute "acpi -V" computer freezes for 10 secs and up-to-date info is returned. My gnome-power-manager seem to be feeded with not up-to-date info about battery status. Can i fix it somehow? |
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| 16:05.47 | asg | abrotman: decided against the hike eh? |
| 16:05.56 | abrotman | asg: it's only 11am |
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| 16:06.21 | asg | abrotman: which means that it's beer time |
| 16:06.30 | abrotman | !keg asg |
| 16:06.32 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 16:07.28 | xingu | oh, if anyone cares I worked out why my second cd was also freaking out |
| 16:07.44 | xingu | while looking for scratches under a lamp I noticed I could see the lamp through the reflective layer |
| 16:07.48 | asg | xingu: it had Barry Manilow's greatest hits in it? |
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| 16:07.50 | xingu | which is usually a bad thing |
| 16:07.58 | cocozz | Hi, I have an error with Xorg, it says "Could not open default font 'fixed'" |
| 16:08.06 | asg | cocozz: /msg dpkg fixed |
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| 16:08.32 | xingu | tiny little holes letting the magic music out of my shiny shinies |
| 16:08.40 | asg | xingu: leakage |
| 16:08.45 | abrotman | xingu: highpowerlazer! |
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| 16:09.12 | xingu | now I wouldn't normally get all teary eyed |
| 16:09.14 | xingu | but dammit |
| 16:09.18 | xingu | I've had this cd since '89 |
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| 16:09.22 | xingu | it's come a long way with me |
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| 16:10.20 | cocozz | asg: thanks |
| 16:10.23 | asg | cocozz: you're welcome |
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| 16:10.59 | pelzi_ | xingu: all CDs are transparent. |
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| 16:11.14 | pelzi_ | if you have see-through scratches you can get worried |
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| 16:11.28 | jnzz | hello everybody |
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| 16:12.08 | jnzz | i'd like to know if the potato floppy boot disk support paride driver ? |
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| 16:12.36 | pelzi_ | probably not |
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| 16:12.41 | pelzi_ | paride sounds kind of exotic |
| 16:13.03 | jnzz | pelzi_: ok |
| 16:13.22 | jnzz | do you think it's possible to modify these floppies ? |
| 16:13.58 | xingu | pelzi_: sure, but there's a difference between mostly-opaque and holy crap that looks like starlight |
| 16:14.37 | pelzi_ | jnzz: you can compile the module elsewhere and copy it onto a floppy |
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| 16:15.35 | pelzi_ | you just need the sources. |
| 16:15.47 | jnzz | pelzi_: ok, but how to make knowable my parallel hard drive to the floppy boot disk ? |
| 16:16.05 | pelzi_ | well, you need the module |
| 16:16.20 | jnzz | ok |
| 16:16.41 | jnzz | but i don't see how i can do that |
| 16:16.46 | pelzi_ | which needs to be compiled from the same sources and with the same compiler as the kernel on the floppy. |
| 16:16.46 | jnzz | put it on a flopy |
| 16:16.52 | jnzz | ok |
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| 16:17.17 | pelzi_ | so, you're a little out of luck if you don't know what to do |
| 16:17.28 | xingu | jnzz: do you know what, it may actually be simpler to think about an etherboot floppy and netbooting... |
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| 16:17.36 | pelzi_ | I'm too busy to start explaining. maybe someone will |
| 16:17.49 | jnzz | pelzi_: ok, so with NFS it can be possible ? |
| 16:17.54 | jnzz | yes i see |
| 16:18.00 | jnzz | ooooh you give me an idea |
| 16:18.22 | jnzz | my desktop is under linux and paride run |
| 16:18.28 | pelzi_ | yep |
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| 16:18.34 | pelzi_ | if you have a network card, use that |
| 16:19.17 | jnzz | erf |
| 16:19.20 | jnzz | my idea is bad |
| 16:19.44 | jnzz | i just can connect with plip or slip |
| 16:19.48 | jnzz | no network card |
| 16:19.57 | jnzz | i'll try to search on google |
| 16:19.59 | jnzz | thanks |
| 16:20.02 | pelzi_ | np |
| 16:20.35 | xingu | I think there is a slip etherboot driver |
| 16:20.47 | xingu | however, if you value your sanity... |
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| 16:25.05 | ib48 | hello! how can i check amount of physical ram my computer have? |
| 16:25.07 | unixslut | not sure |
| 16:26.04 | goingtomoonbrb | So ntpdate pool.ntp.org still has me on DST time >.> |
| 16:26.05 | goingtomoonbrb | I wonder how I get myself off DST >.> |
| 16:26.09 | pelzi_ | free -m |
| 16:26.16 | nvz | ib48: free |
| 16:26.58 | ib48 | thnx |
| 16:28.46 | ofer0 | goingtomoonbrb, tzconfig |
| 16:28.57 | ofer0 | ib48, cat /proc/meminfo |
| 16:29.17 | cocozz | how can I send an output to another tty ? (with shell, no C code) |
| 16:29.21 | ofer0 | MemTotal: 1036040 kB |
| 16:29.32 | ofer0 | cocozz, you can use "talk" |
| 16:29.40 | ib48 | ofer0, thnx |
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| 16:29.44 | Bac9 | when compiling a framebuffer driver as a module, how do you tell it what resolution to start at? (it seems to always start at 640x480 for me) |
| 16:29.45 | ib48 | nvz, thnx |
| 16:31.26 | cocozz | cocozz@Floquet:~$ echo a | talk cocozz tty1 |
| 16:31.26 | cocozz | Standard input must be a tty, not a pipe or a file |
| 16:31.27 | cocozz | :( |
| 16:33.52 | cocozz | asg well nothing worke |
| 16:33.57 | cocozz | s/worke/worked |
| 16:34.16 | cocozz | I think it wasn't a good idea to swith to sid on my ppc comp |
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| 16:37.12 | vinay | what controls /proc/bus/usb ? .. mine is suddenly empty |
| 16:38.13 | Arador | you need to mount some filesystem there |
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| 16:39.04 | Arador | mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb, or something like that |
| 16:39.41 | vinay | ok, hmmm... is this something that should be in fstab for it to be setup at boot? .. i dont think ive ever seen it in fstab... |
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| 16:40.16 | Digamma | Is there any tools that can allow me to defrag windows from Linux? |
| 16:41.43 | Arador | vinay: I'm not sure, IIRC it gets mounted by some init.d scripts in some distros |
| 16:42.40 | vinay | looks like that is the source of all my problems today.. mouse stopped working, printer stopped working, vmware cant see devices.. etc.. i mounted the partition and everything came back to life...thnaks for the tips! |
| 16:42.45 | biopyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.52 | biopyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.02 | Bac9 | what option do I pass insmod to set resolution in: insmod aty128fb ? |
| 16:43.09 | vinay | going to reboot |
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| 16:50.35 | sorush20 | I hi i keep getting to the message that can't access job control tty turned off what do I do? |
| 16:50.50 | CharminTheMoose | not much happening here |
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| 16:51.27 | kakarot_ | !es |
| 16:51.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:51.38 | sorush20 | will the debian community join ubuntu? |
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| 16:53.20 | syntaxis | sorush20: what's your native language? |
| 16:53.37 | diskus | debian community join ubuntu? |
| 16:53.48 | sorush20 | persian |
| 16:53.50 | diskus | what do you mean by that? |
| 16:54.08 | Kraig | hi, namo@Mandos:~$ ls -la Compltns \n ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? Compltns/GITS ; I su and Mandos:/home/namo# ls -la Compltns \n drw-rw-rw- 2 namo namo 4096 May 11 18:02 GITS |
| 16:54.10 | sorush20 | maybe you guys could help people in the ubuntu channel cause lots of new people there. |
| 16:54.19 | Kraig | it's an EXT2 partition, any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 16:54.39 | ofer0 | sorush20, the problem is ubuntu newbies don't RTFM |
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| 16:55.00 | ofer0 | sorush20, and it really sucks answering the same question 20 times every day |
| 16:55.20 | CharminTheMoose | Ubuntu is not debian |
| 16:55.48 | CharminTheMoose | !based on debian |
| 16:55.49 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 16:57.04 | Kraig | why wouldn't chown and chmod lemme inside the directory? do you think i should fsck the partition? |
| 16:57.16 | krazykit | it's pretty easy to install debian with debootstrap, isn't it? |
| 16:57.32 | ofer0 | krazykit, as easy as "debootstrap sarge dir/" |
| 16:58.05 | krazykit | i need to get ubuntu off this machine, but i don't have enough hard drive space to back stuff up ;-) |
| 16:58.15 | krazykit | stupid laptop :-( |
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| 17:00.06 | krazykit | actually, using the CD, i don't /need/ to format...hm... |
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| 17:00.28 | Kraig | ugh, i didn't see the +x for the dir in the chmod... sad. |
| 17:03.17 | Bac9 | anyone know how to tell a framebuffer module what resolution it should start at when loaded? |
| 17:03.21 | Cozomo | Hello I have a 120 GB SATA hard drive and I am trying to make a dual boot with debian sarge and winbloze xp. the computer has xp preinstalled so I downloaded partition magic and make a unformatted partition about 100GB in size. I then booted the debian sarge netinst, but it told me that I have no partitionable media |
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| 17:03.54 | sepski | Cozomo, rather you remove the 100GB unformatted partition. |
| 17:04.23 | sepski | Cozomo, or perhaps it failed locating your sata drives |
| 17:04.45 | sepski | Cozomo, if you need to use sarge you can use the backported installer. |
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| 17:04.59 | bronze_|| | krazykit: tar.tgz the syuff up, use dd to break it into smaller packages, and email it all to your gmail accounts! |
| 17:04.59 | Cozomo | sepski I only have one drive =\ |
| 17:05.02 | sepski | Cozomo, if you can live with etch (it will release sooonish anyway) you can try thatone |
| 17:05.18 | krazykit | bronze_||: uh... ehhehehe |
| 17:05.25 | bronze_|| | :) |
| 17:05.40 | krazykit | how many gigs is this data? |
| 17:05.49 | krazykit | 100, i think |
| 17:05.55 | krazykit | 123, actually |
| 17:05.56 | sepski | Cozomo, sarge was released when sata was a toodler, it wont be wery good at detecting todays sata controllers. use the backported sarge installer or the etch installer |
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| 17:06.36 | krazykit | no way i'm emailing 123 gigs of data. not to mention my boss will whine to me about using so much bandwidth. |
| 17:09.10 | CharminTheMoose | DCC LIST |
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| 17:09.43 | klync | anyone know why i can't seem to get smbclient to obey the "--port" param? |
| 17:09.47 | bronze_|| | krazykit: sounds like time for an external drive, usb or whatever |
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| 17:10.52 | Cozomo | sepski: Where do I go to get etch isos? |
| 17:11.09 | sepski | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 17:11.34 | Blastur | i'm suspecting someone is trying to hack into my debian system. I got an unknown established connection to port 22 (ssh server). Though "who" shows no other logins except me, a tcpdump shows that the unknown host is actually sending/receving data. Could this be a bruteforce attack? I see a few sshd processes, "sshd: root@pts/0" and "sshd: [accepted]", "sshd: [net]" and "/usr/sbin/sshd" |
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| 17:12.43 | sepski | Blastur, what does your logs say ? |
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| 17:13.12 | Blastur | that's the thing, how can I see failed attempts to my sshd? what log files do I check? |
| 17:13.28 | Ronin | Blastur: any bets its just a temp brute force ssh that we all see? |
| 17:13.34 | bronze_|| | Blastur: kill the ssh procs and the sshd deamon, turn off the ssh services |
| 17:14.07 | bronze_|| | Blastur: look at your logs all ssh logins and attempts get logged |
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| 17:14.49 | Blastur | the thing is, my debian box is a small embedded device.. i can only control it via SSH :) it has no direct keyboard or screen attached to it |
| 17:15.25 | Blastur | so turning off ssh means cutting me out aswell |
| 17:15.25 | louben | hi. I can't type accent points in ooo-2.0.4 any help plz? |
| 17:15.27 | bronze_|| | Blastur: then use iptables to block ssh from all address except you. |
| 17:15.49 | iter | or just /etc/ssh/sshd_config :p |
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| 17:16.21 | Blastur | yeah, i intend to block this.. but I would also like to know if there are any way to check what account the attacker is trying to get access to |
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| 17:16.29 | Blastur | or just general status of ssh server |
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| 17:18.17 | cjari | I have problem starting the x on an old computer, here is the log if any one can take a look.... http://channels.debian.net/paste/4271 |
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| 17:18.56 | iter | Blastur: grep ssh /var/log/auth.log |
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| 17:19.43 | Blastur | oh my god, the auth-log is FILLED with attempts :) |
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| 17:20.13 | iter | check out denyhosts package |
| 17:20.23 | pingouin | how to leave some package out of an upgrade, i've tried apt-get upgrade --no-upgrade package1 package2 but it's not working, any help ? |
| 17:20.35 | iter | it will auto-add people using bruteforce to /etc/hosts.deny |
| 17:20.39 | netman1 | liable/xingu: http://wiki.debian.org/udev |
| 17:21.05 | krazykit | bronze_||: yeah, i HAD a big enough external drive... it's just now being used in an xbox... :-/ |
| 17:21.12 | krazykit | hopefully someone i know has some free space |
| 17:22.19 | d0uglas | are xboxes based on xorg or xfree86 |
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| 17:23.19 | iter | stock xbox uses windows kernel homie |
| 17:23.19 | Razva | hi. where are the kernel-sources located? I need them in order to install an nvidia card. |
| 17:23.40 | d0uglas | word yo |
| 17:25.12 | Kraig | Razva: once you install the kernel-source for your uname -r you can ls /usr/src/, you might as well need the kernel headers, so be sure to apt-cache/get them |
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| 17:27.07 | Razva | Kraig: both installed. Still he tells me that the sources are not installed. Shall I reboot? |
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| 17:27.37 | Kraig | Razva: no, ls /usr/src/ |
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| 17:28.06 | mirak | why do I have more than one /dev/ttyS0 even if I only have one serial port onboard ? |
| 17:28.19 | mirak | /dev/ttyS |
| 17:28.51 | amphi | mirak: you have static /dev? |
| 17:29.15 | mirak | isn't it udev or something ? |
| 17:29.19 | Razva | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:30.12 | taku | bye all :) |
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| 17:30.24 | amphi | mirak: dunno - I have static /dev here |
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| 17:30.45 | Kraig | Razva: cd /usr/src tar -xvjf kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 |
| 17:30.45 | mirak | amphi: when I plug the serial to usb adapter I got a /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 17:31.11 | amphi | mirak: guess you have udev then |
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| 17:32.58 | mirak | so I wonder why I have /dev/ttyS{0,1,2,3} since I have just one port. maybe that's dependent of the chipset and not hardware ports |
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| 17:33.36 | pingouin | how to leave some package out of an upgrade, i've tried apt-get upgrade --no-upgrade package1 package2 but it's not working, any help ? |
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| 17:34.02 | craigevil | pingouin: to hold" is echo package hold|dpkg --set-selections ; revert with: echo package install|dpkg --set-selections |
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| 17:35.03 | pingouin | craigevil: ok thanks |
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| 17:37.29 | plugwash | anyone know how long sarge is likely to get security support for after etch releases? |
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| 17:40.38 | streuner | plugwash: 12 months |
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| 17:41.40 | RogerBacon | i use Code::Block (great IDE) and i have this error heach time i try to compile :-------------- Build: Release in Test ---------------Compiling: main.c/bin/sh: Can't open gcc -Wall -O2 -I/usr/include -c main.c -o obj/Release/main.Process terminated with status 2 (0 minutes, 1 seconds)0 errors, 0 warnings |
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| 17:46.04 | jetscreamer | gd clock is back to utc dammit |
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| 17:47.55 | Mazingaro | please I installed mplayer but I need skin also, how can I install them? (unstable) |
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| 17:48.36 | Tiger_it | Sorry.... I need to know if the follow is ONE command line OR TWO... please |
| 17:48.39 | Tiger_it | Xgl :1 -fullscreen -ac -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer & DISPLAY=:1 |
| 17:48.40 | Tiger_it | exec startkde |
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| 17:49.10 | Tiger_it | two ? |
| 17:49.18 | jetscreamer | the & makes for another i think |
| 17:49.20 | Tiger_it | ok......... |
| 17:49.36 | Tiger_it | I ll asume they R 2 |
| 17:49.47 | Tiger_it | thanks anyway |
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| 17:50.12 | jetscreamer | the & execs the second command w/o waiting for the successful completion of the first |
| 17:50.19 | jetscreamer | 2 &&'s would make it wait |
| 17:52.06 | CharminTheMoose | does anyone know what 1800 seconds is in minutes? |
| 17:52.14 | amphi | 7 |
| 17:52.19 | krazykit | 30 |
| 17:52.27 | krazykit | uh |
| 17:52.41 | CharminTheMoose | bah |
| 17:52.58 | Kraig | -0 |
| 17:52.59 | krazykit | yes. 30 minutes |
| 17:53.03 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: echo '1800 / 60' | bc |
| 17:53.40 | CharminTheMoose | heh,thanks guys |
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| 17:55.05 | klync | i can't get smbclient to connect on a port number i specify... anyone ever see this? |
| 17:55.59 | ^sv | Mazingaro, place skins pictures in /usr/local/share/mplayer/Skin/ |
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| 17:56.21 | Mazingaro | ^sv: ??? |
| 17:56.35 | ^sv | mplayer's skin |
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| 17:59.30 | Mazingaro | ^sv: there's no /usr/local/share/mplayer/Skin/ |
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| 18:00.12 | aronofsky | hi, I got a problem , im on testing, i tried to install nvidia drivers and so i force install of nvidia-glx package, and now I cant uninstall it , when i try I got the following error :rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so' with different file `/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa', not allowed ... i dont really knwo what to do now ? |
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| 18:02.10 | ^sv | Mazingaro, try to mkdir |
| 18:02.38 | jetscreamer | aronofsky: you could always try the .run from nvidia.com |
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| 18:03.27 | Mazingaro | ^sv: :( |
| 18:03.37 | ghenry | See all these SSH password bots, that try to get logged in, we have messages like: "Failed password for ali from 58.225.75.173 port 44204 ssh2", how can they be connecting on port 44204, when only port 22 is open on the firewall? Thanks. |
| 18:04.01 | aronofsky | jetscreamer, yeah maybe but now id like to understand how to uninstall these package , to keep my system clean |
| 18:04.43 | plugwash | ghenry every connection has TWO IPs and TWO ports associated with it |
| 18:04.57 | jetscreamer | not sure, i never mess with the debian nvidia packages |
| 18:05.22 | plugwash | the port on your side is 22, the port on the remote side is 44204 |
| 18:05.29 | ^sv | Mazingaro, and, maybe, add in ~/.mplayer/gui.conf |
| 18:05.30 | ^sv | line: |
| 18:05.30 | ^sv | gui_skin = "skin_name" |
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| 18:06.41 | ghenry | cheers plugwash |
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| 18:09.21 | klync | i can't get smbclient to connect on a port number i specify... anyone ever see this? |
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| 18:16.07 | aronofsky | I force the install of nvidia-glx package and now i cant uninstall it , i got the following error : "dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so' with different file `/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa', not allowed" ... can anyone tell me what i should do ? |
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| 18:17.38 | cuse | Does anybody know if there are SCSI->USB adaptors and if they work under Linux? I need to attach a DLT Streamer (SCSI) but I have no chance to install a SCSI card. I only have USB and Firewire available. |
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| 18:22.16 | sepski | cuse, i think firewire to scsi will be more likely |
| 18:22.30 | sepski | cuse, try google on firewire to scsi adapter |
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| 18:26.58 | AndroidData | hi. I installed apache2 with apt-get, but I don't know where the suexec file is supposed to be and whaty it's uspposed to be named. any info? |
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| 18:27.28 | aronofsky | can anyone tell me what I can do about my uninstall problem ? |
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| 18:30.13 | Koos | Hi, may I ask something |
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| 18:30.15 | Koos | ? |
| 18:30.16 | AndroidData | No |
| 18:30.25 | AndroidData | You may not. >:) |
| 18:30.40 | Koos | come on.. :P |
| 18:31.08 | Koos | i've a question about iptables :) |
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| 18:31.19 | dendrite | Koos: Just ask your question, don't ask to ask. |
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| 18:31.23 | Koos | ok :P |
| 18:31.37 | Koos | I've 2 domains linked to my home-IP |
| 18:31.44 | Koos | I have 2 servers at home |
| 18:31.56 | dendrite | !enter |
| 18:31.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 18:32.08 | Koos | How can I do that with my iptables? |
| 18:32.47 | plugwash | what are theese two servers doing? |
| 18:32.54 | Koos | Both are webserver |
| 18:32.58 | dendrite | Koos: iptables is for directing the movement of packets, and has nothing to do with defining hosts, DNS entries or domain authorities. |
| 18:33.39 | plugwash | Koos you can't, iptables doesn't know what hostname the client application used to find your IP |
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| 18:33.55 | dendrite | Koos: If you want to service both domain web sites with one apache instance, then just use apache's virtual hosting facilities. |
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| 18:34.10 | Koos | Allright, but I have two apache-servers |
| 18:34.23 | Blissex | Koos: try #iptables :-) |
| 18:34.29 | plugwash | however for some protocols there may be other soloutions for example you could have a copy of apache using name based virtual hosting and passing the requests to your internal servers using proxypass |
| 18:34.49 | dendrite | Koos: Different IP addresses for these two domains? |
| 18:34.58 | Koos | No, the same IP... |
| 18:35.00 | Blissex | Koos: or not, as your question has very little to do with #iptables perhaps #Apache is best and is quite active. |
| 18:35.14 | Koos | Allright, I'll try in #Apache :) |
| 18:35.17 | Koos | Thnx |
| 18:35.23 | dendrite | Koos: Then you want just one server. |
| 18:35.24 | aronofsky | I force the install of nvidia-glx package and now i cant uninstall it , i got the following error : "dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so' with different file `/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa', not allowed" ... can anyone tell me what i should do ? |
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| 18:35.50 | inspired | hi. I am trying to install debian on a supermicro server with a Raidcore raid s-ata controller. I found out that I have to load my drivers from my floppy. they are compiled as ko modules for the kernel I will use, but I don't understand how I can get these drivers loaded when I try to install. debian installer tells me that it cannot find my controller and asks me if I can select the correct one. I tell it to load from floppy (which has the modules in t |
| 18:35.50 | inspired | he root directory), but it tells me it cannot find them. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:36.20 | anapivirtua | enjoy your food |
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| 18:36.56 | azeem | oops |
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| 18:38.57 | Studiosus | hi, all! my X freezes with last message in Xorg.0.log '(II) Initializing extension GLX'. My setup is debian unstable + nvidia 8776. I know that running unstable isn't quite favored here but this bug is very annoying, esp. if you look at Ubuntu where all works with similar packages. At least, can anyone tell why this bug may happen in unstable. |
| 18:39.38 | Coweater | check the bts, don't run unstable if you don't want to fix things |
| 18:39.41 | mhall | Studiosus: at ubuntu they loves them some non-free software and it be showin' like a mothafuckah |
| 18:39.49 | mhall | Studiosus: over here it's not quite the same way |
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| 18:40.10 | aronofsky | anyone can help me ? maybe dpkg options or somethin ... |
| 18:40.11 | mhall | Studiosus: the general rule of nvidia on debian is, if it breaks you get to keep both pieces |
| 18:40.23 | mhall | !+bloody sunday |
| 18:40.31 | Studiosus | mhall, may be, but I'd like to know why may it happens in Debian? |
| 18:40.44 | mhall | Studiosus: this is not always an easy question to answer |
| 18:40.47 | jetscreamer | apt-get install pkg-config linux-headers-`uname -r` && rerun the .run |
| 18:40.52 | mhall | Studiosus: non-free blobs are hard to debug |
| 18:40.59 | jetscreamer | fixed. |
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| 18:41.02 | mhall | !tell Studiosus about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:41.39 | keyboarder | dpkg egrep |
| 18:41.40 | dpkg | somebody said grep was at http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/grep.html (GNU grep, egrep and fgrep.) or called that because of ed's g/RE/p command, which does the same thing or "Marvel at the beautiful plumage of the wild grep as it glides lazily through the thick morning ASCII.". Global Regular Expression Print |
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| 18:41.49 | Studiosus | mhall, but there's maintainer and it seems that nvidia 8776 pkg is for unstable only (is it?) and it ain't work... Does it work for anyone here on unstable? |
| 18:42.10 | markl_ | what is the best filesystem for a directory with tons (say, a million) of small files |
| 18:42.12 | jetscreamer | what's the big deal whether you use a prone to borkage debian package that's non-free or a .run that 'just works' and is non.free |
| 18:42.16 | Jostein | private |
| 18:42.17 | phogg | aronofsky: dpkg -i --force-overwrite, but in the future consider not forcing things unless you know what you're getting in to. |
| 18:42.18 | markl_ | i'm guessing that it's not ext3 |
| 18:42.20 | mhall | Studiosus: my advice is that when you run nvidia, you compile your own custom kernel |
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| 18:42.49 | Studiosus | mhall, I did :) |
| 18:42.50 | mhall | jetscreamer: the difference is, the run causes some interesting corruptions to your system layout |
| 18:42.57 | mhall | Studiosus: then it should work OK |
| 18:42.57 | CharminTheMoose | why isn't gparted in the repositories? |
| 18:42.57 | Studiosus | from kernel.org |
| 18:42.58 | jetscreamer | can't tell |
| 18:43.05 | jetscreamer | but that's what they say |
| 18:43.15 | mhall | Studiosus: are you sure you used the same C compiler for the kernel that you did for the nvidia packages |
| 18:43.26 | aronofsky | phogg, actually i dont want to reinstall it but uninstall it |
| 18:43.38 | mhall | Studiosus: cause i have a 2.6.17.8 system running fine right now, in fact i am in the process of updating my nvidia support |
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| 18:43.56 | Studiosus | mhall, how can I check version used for kernel compile? |
| 18:44.17 | phogg | aronofsky: same option should work |
| 18:44.38 | jetscreamer | i mean, i should see this breakage in 2 years or so one would think |
| 18:44.49 | mhall | Studiosus: dmesg | grep gcc |
| 18:45.03 | mhall | jetscreamer: yeah there are ways to make it happen |
| 18:45.20 | mhall | jetscreamer: if you dist-upgrade a package which has nvidia files in it, then nvidia gets partially overwritten |
| 18:45.28 | mhall | jetscreamer: and X locks up the next time you start it |
| 18:45.46 | mhall | jetscreamer: but YMMV. |
| 18:45.49 | Studiosus | mhall, for kernel I used : gcc version 4.1.2 20060729 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-10), for nvidia I used: gcc version 4.1.2 20061020 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-17). Is it ok? |
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| 18:45.57 | mhall | jetscreamer: this is why we don't support nonfree |
| 18:45.59 | mhall | Studiosus: no |
| 18:46.08 | mhall | Studiosus: both must be compiled with the exact same compiler |
| 18:46.30 | mhall | Studiosus: the reason is, CVS gcc with the YYYYMMDD timestamp sometimes makes subtle changes to the ABI |
| 18:46.38 | kelm | bye |
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| 18:46.47 | mhall | Studiosus: so then it crashes when you link the modules into the kernel |
| 18:46.59 | mhall | jetscreamer: it's too unpredictable |
| 18:47.16 | mhall | jetscreamer: for some people it works fine, but for others it's very flaky and it can't be patched |
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| 18:47.28 | mhall | jetscreamer: also what happens if we ship nonfree, and there is a security exploit |
| 18:47.51 | Studiosus | mhall, ok, I'll try it. But, nvidia module is loaded OK, it's only when I try to start X crash happens. And when I comment out glx extension in xorg.conf, X loads OK too - as it now |
| 18:48.12 | mhall | Studiosus: like i said, the problem can be very subtle |
| 18:48.18 | x_link | hrmm |
| 18:48.19 | jetscreamer | it's using mesa not the nvidia glx |
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| 18:48.35 | mhall | Studiosus: another thing to try, grep xorg.log for (EE) and make sure you have nvidia-glx installed right |
| 18:48.38 | x_link | I just did apt-get install gtk-gnutella but I can't open it. |
| 18:49.11 | mhall | right now i'm experiencing some build failures with module assistant |
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| 18:49.19 | mhall | it won't compile the nvidia stuff right |
| 18:49.20 | mhall | hmm |
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| 18:50.04 | jetscreamer | but, i suck |
| 18:50.24 | Caelum | how much is 22896246784 bytes in gigs? |
| 18:50.27 | Caelum | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.31 | Caelum | oops |
| 18:50.36 | mhall | !lart Caelum |
| 18:50.38 | dvs | Caelum: ? |
| 18:50.48 | Studiosus | mhall, no, there's no EE in log of crashed X. Btw, another distro where nvidia works OK for me (currently) is Gentoo. I don't mean offensive, it just makes me sad that I can't use my beloved Debian the way I'd like :( |
| 18:50.50 | Caelum | my ppp connection died, sorry |
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| 18:51.08 | sanmarcos | do you guys using sid get a list of your partitions in the Computer window of Nautilus? |
| 18:51.17 | aronofsky | phogg , sorry i cant find the right command |
| 18:51.21 | Caelum | dvs: trying to decipher the results of a dd that I killed early for no good reason. How do you convert bytes to gigs? |
| 18:51.33 | Studiosus | mhall, anyway, thx, I'll try to recompile |
| 18:51.53 | dvs | Caelum: I just divide by a billion in my head |
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| 18:52.07 | mhall | Caelum: google it |
| 18:52.28 | jetscreamer | sanmarcos: last time i looked not unmounted ones |
| 18:52.30 | mhall | Caelum: google has a unit converter. do 1 megabyte in bytes for example |
| 18:52.45 | Caelum | mhall: cool thanks |
| 18:52.53 | sanmarcos | jetscreamer: I cant get mounted ones either, and I do have the users option in fstab, lshal lists them also |
| 18:53.10 | jetscreamer | Y=X*(1024*1024) i think |
| 18:53.12 | mhall | Caelum: yeah professor google knows all |
| 18:53.26 | jetscreamer | err |
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| 18:53.30 | jetscreamer | / |
| 18:53.50 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 18:53.59 | jetscreamer | i skipped math |
| 18:54.07 | jetscreamer | shame they let me |
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| 18:54.28 | jetscreamer | i 'passed' |
| 18:54.29 | Caelum | 21.3G, trying again with ehci-hcd this time... |
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| 18:54.45 | mhall | Caelum: what are you doing |
| 18:54.59 | mhall | jetscreamer: ? |
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| 18:55.18 | dvs | jetscreamer: how much did you have to pay? ;-) |
| 18:55.37 | inspired | how do I create a driver floppy for use in debian installation? isn't it enough to place the .ko files in the root dir of the floppy? |
| 18:55.57 | Caelum | mhall: was using knoppix to copy an xp partition from my sister's old laptop hd via a usb enclosure to the new laptop hd. |
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| 18:56.09 | jetscreamer | nothing... which is bad also |
| 18:56.31 | mhall | Caelum: oof |
| 18:56.54 | dvs | no wonder teacher complain about their pay. They could be making a fortune if they do that! |
| 18:56.56 | aronofsky | dpkg --purge nvidia-glx gives me "dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so' with different file `/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa', not allowed" ... what should I do ? |
| 18:57.34 | mhall | aronofsky: dpkg --purge --force-overwrite might work |
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| 18:58.46 | aronofsky | nop , ame error |
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| 18:59.17 | mhall | aronofsky: purge and reinstall mesa at the same time |
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| 19:01.04 | aronofsky | what package exactly ? |
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| 19:02.49 | mhall | aronofsky: dpkg --get-selections | fgrep -i mesa |
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| 19:02.57 | joatha | i have installed libranet on my pc and i modified the source.lst file |
| 19:03.13 | mhall | !tell joatha about debian based |
| 19:03.22 | joatha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:04.54 | DeFender1031 | hello, i'm using etch on an HP pavilion dv5000 laptop with an expansion base, and i'm having trouble getting my computer to play sound out of the base rather than its own speakers |
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| 19:05.30 | mhall | DeFender1031: makes me wonder if the base is something odd, like USB speakers |
| 19:05.37 | jsn | I run unstable on my laptop, and I haven't logged in for 10+ days (maybe 20) and apt-get upgrade only upgraded two packages, dist-upgrade no more. Did something change? |
| 19:05.39 | damog | DeFender1031: Through my experience, it's just transparent |
| 19:05.58 | DeFender1031 | mhall, how would i do that? |
| 19:06.03 | DeFender1031 | damog, huh? |
| 19:06.35 | craigevil | jsn: i had 34 packages from d-u today and i d-u every couple of days |
| 19:06.50 | jsn | By the way, I learned (hardly a secret) that "Gentoo" is an early British word for the Dravidian language Telugu (earlier spelled Teloogoo) which is spoken somewhere in SE India |
| 19:06.57 | damog | DeFender1031: My zv5000 and its dock works out of the box. |
| 19:07.10 | craigevil | check your sources.list and make sure there arent any errors during apt-get update |
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| 19:07.20 | jsn | craigevil: I usually do, also. I had had networking issues. |
| 19:07.22 | mhall | DeFender1031: what did google say |
| 19:07.33 | DeFender1031 | mhall, nothing useful |
| 19:07.40 | jsn | I did check sources.list, everything seemed normal. |
| 19:07.45 | mhall | DeFender1031: damn |
| 19:07.50 | mhall | DeFender1031: that's an odd problem |
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| 19:08.14 | DeFender1031 | mhall, tell me aboutit |
| 19:08.39 | CharminTheMoose | how can i get /etc/apache/httpd.conf to automatically update my ip address?I have a dynamic ip address |
| 19:09.12 | streuner | CharminTheMoose: dyndns.org |
| 19:09.16 | jsn | CharminTheMoose, write a script. I've never heard of httpd.conf doing that by itself. You'll have to restart apache anyway. |
| 19:09.27 | DeFender1031 | the base is an HP xb2000 Notebook Expansion Base if that helps |
| 19:09.36 | jsn | I _think_ |
| 19:09.38 | mhall | CharminTheMoose: why do you need an IP inside that file |
| 19:09.50 | CharminTheMoose | for virtual hosts.. |
| 19:09.53 | CharminTheMoose | I think..... |
| 19:10.05 | mhall | DeFender1031: i'm wondering if you might look for an audio device in /proc/usb |
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| 19:10.22 | mhall | DeFender1031: also, i heard those kind of notebooks, if you boot them on the dock, have extra PCI devices |
| 19:10.30 | mhall | DeFender1031: so maybe boot it on the dock and rerun lspci |
| 19:10.31 | jsn | I have a _sweet_ LinkSys router that I set port forwarding. My host is 192.whatever, and the router forwards 80 (well, almost) requests to the ip/port I specify. |
| 19:10.35 | mhall | DeFender1031: and look for new stuff |
| 19:10.43 | DeFender1031 | i have to actually BOOT on the dock? |
| 19:10.47 | DeFender1031 | that sux |
| 19:10.56 | DeFender1031 | its weird tho |
| 19:11.06 | DeFender1031 | the usb connections on the dock work |
| 19:11.14 | DeFender1031 | the network port on the dock works |
| 19:11.14 | mhall | DeFender1031: well, i heard somebody made a kernel patch to do some pci hotplugging using acpi, but i don't understand how that works |
| 19:11.19 | jsn | So something is wrong. Would someone confirm (in #flood) that my sources.list is positively normal? |
| 19:11.31 | mhall | DeFender1031: well the thing is i think usb and network are more hotpluggable than audio is |
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| 19:11.33 | CharminTheMoose | one odd thing i've noticed is that when i turn my computer off but not my router and then turn my computer on again i still have the same ip address |
| 19:11.39 | _sly007 | Hello, ssh commands are executed on the remote host with the user's shell. The problem is that my remote shell is /bin/false (don't ask why). Is there a way no to execute commands with another shell? |
| 19:11.40 | DeFender1031 | true |
| 19:11.43 | mhall | DeFender1031: you might talk to damog more and see what he did |
| 19:11.54 | DeFender1031 | damog, save me |
| 19:12.10 | mhall | DeFender1031: i'm just guessing from what i remember of a two year old mailing list thread on acpi pci dock device hotplugging being really weird |
| 19:12.17 | damog | DeFender1031: I'm sorry, I installed everything on the dock and it magically worked out of the box |
| 19:12.23 | mhall | DeFender1031: so take this ranting with a grain of salt |
| 19:12.28 | mhall | damog: did you boot on the dock |
| 19:12.32 | DeFender1031 | so i should have installed on the dock? |
| 19:12.34 | DeFender1031 | great |
| 19:12.37 | mhall | damog: or does it work if you don't boot from the dock |
| 19:12.55 | mhall | damog: and did you install with the dock on? |
| 19:13.02 | damog | DeFender1031: I'm not sure. |
| 19:13.06 | roxy_ | what can I use for docbook to pdf convertion ? |
| 19:13.07 | mhall | damog: we're just trying to replicate whatever you did =) |
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| 19:13.31 | damog | mhall: It works even when the computer is not on the dock, yes; and yes, I installed with the dock on |
| 19:13.42 | DeFender1031 | i would tryt rebooting on the dock, but i cant right now |
| 19:13.55 | DeFender1031 | i have some file transfers going from my old comp |
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| 19:14.07 | damog | anyway, I'd do some tests now, but my dock is at my office, and only have the computer alone here |
| 19:14.13 | mhall | damog: but, if you start the machine off the dock and go on the dock, then what happens |
| 19:14.26 | damog | mhall: I haven't tried it. |
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| 19:14.43 | mhall | DeFender1031: sounds to me like, you better try reinstalling on the dock if it is not too much of a pain |
| 19:14.56 | mhall | DeFender1031: if it still won't work try and see if it works in knoppix or kubuntu |
| 19:15.22 | DeFender1031 | well first i'll try booting on the dock |
| 19:15.22 | shinku | how to connect bluetooth modems |
| 19:15.22 | mhall | DeFender1031: yeah, run lspci > off_dock.txt |
| 19:15.27 | mhall | DeFender1031: then run lspci > on_dock.txt when you reboot |
| 19:15.32 | DeFender1031 | have to wait about 45 minutes tho |
| 19:15.34 | mhall | DeFender1031: and then diff those |
| 19:15.37 | mhall | DeFender1031: 45 min?!? |
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| 19:15.59 | DeFender1031 | i have a lot of files coming from my old comp |
| 19:16.06 | mhall | DeFender1031: ah-ha |
| 19:16.17 | DeFender1031 | in the meantime i have another question |
| 19:16.22 | mhall | mmhmm |
| 19:16.23 | DeFender1031 | wireless internet |
| 19:16.44 | DeFender1031 | it doesn't even recognize my wireless card |
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| 19:17.10 | kakarot | my kernel loads always on star the acpi-cpufreq module although i have unistall it with modconf, and it doesn't appears in /etc/modules. How can i disable the load of the module, is there other place to say the kernel what modules have to load? tank you |
| 19:17.16 | mhall | oh fuck |
| 19:17.17 | XoR | why /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 19:17.17 | XoR | Starting web server (apache2)...Syntax error on line 141 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration failed! |
| 19:17.24 | mhall | my kernel download sucks ass right now |
| 19:17.39 | mhall | XoR: your config file is fucked up |
| 19:17.39 | jsn | How can I rename a file by inode? |
| 19:17.48 | mhall | XoR: read the problem in /var/log and fix it |
| 19:17.51 | mhall | jsn: please clarify |
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| 19:18.03 | jsn | mhall I know the inode of a file, I want to rename it. |
| 19:18.08 | shinku | ayyau...bari...konda... |
| 19:18.23 | shinku | Eeee |
| 19:18.26 | mhall | jsn: you'll probably need to use stat |
| 19:18.32 | XoR | mhall: i upgrade dist to etch, with new apache config file... |
| 19:18.33 | mhall | jsn: in C |
| 19:18.42 | mhall | jsn: or something like tha |
| 19:18.55 | mhall | jsn: why can't you rename it the more normal way? |
| 19:18.56 | shinku | ya ya apache tomcat... |
| 19:18.59 | mhall | shinku: wtf |
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| 19:19.07 | jsn | The name is ~ |
| 19:19.23 | g333k | Hi, how do I install more fonst to GIMP? |
| 19:19.41 | Caelum | does MB in cfdisk stand for Million Bytes or Megabytes? |
| 19:19.46 | ofer0 | XoR, give me the output for: cat /etc/apache2/apache2.conf | head -145 | tail -10 |
| 19:20.01 | ofer0 | paste? |
| 19:20.04 | ofer0 | dpkg, paste |
| 19:20.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 19:20.09 | DeFender1031 | mhall, any idea how to get my wireless working? |
| 19:20.18 | Caelum | g333k: apt-cache search '^ttf' and install whatever you want |
| 19:20.29 | mhall | DeFender1031: what kind of chip |
| 19:20.34 | Caelum | g333k: also install msttcorefonts |
| 19:20.44 | mhall | jsn: that should not be so hard to rename |
| 19:20.48 | mhall | jsn: mv \~ foobar |
| 19:20.53 | g333k | Caelum, ok |
| 19:21.04 | DeFender1031 | mhall, how do i check? |
| 19:21.06 | g333k | Caelum, this fonts will be avaiable for all my apps right? |
| 19:21.13 | Caelum | g333k: correct |
| 19:21.16 | mhall | DeFender1031: should probably appear in lspci |
| 19:21.27 | XoR | ofer0: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4272 |
| 19:21.49 | jsn | Of course, mhall. |
| 19:21.52 | DeFender1031 | this line? 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 19:21.58 | jsn | I just wanted to make it more difficult. |
| 19:22.06 | mhall | jsn: i'm confused |
| 19:22.09 | jsn | I do wonder how I can rename a file by inode. |
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| 19:22.16 | jsn | mhall: You were right, it worked. |
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| 19:22.28 | mhall | jsn: well it would be kind of hard, inodes are an implementation detail |
| 19:22.29 | g333k | Caelum, the more fonts I have the more slow is my system? |
| 19:22.37 | DeFender1031 | mhall, this line? 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 19:22.40 | jsn | #join /perl |
| 19:22.44 | Caelum | g333k: np |
| 19:22.45 | mhall | jsn: there are only two characters you cannot use in a unix filename |
| 19:22.55 | mhall | jsn: they are '/' and '\0' |
| 19:23.16 | Caelum | g333k: err no, it doesn't |
| 19:23.28 | ofer0 | XoR, hey, still here? |
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| 19:23.38 | XoR | ofer0: yes |
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| 19:23.41 | mhall | jsn: every other one you can use, if you escape it right in the shell |
| 19:23.47 | ofer0 | XoR, I'll paste a solution for you |
| 19:23.50 | mhall | jsn: but i'm quite sure you could rename by inode using C |
| 19:23.54 | g333k | ok |
| 19:23.55 | squisher | Hi everyone. Can someone tell me how to turn off the mic<>speaker loop in alsa? I'm accidentially creating feedbacks sometimes, but nothing in alsamixer seems to affect it |
| 19:23.55 | XoR | ofer0: ok |
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| 19:24.03 | mhall | jsn: the trick would just be figuring out the calls you need |
| 19:24.13 | mhall | jsn: the easiest way would be reading the source code of ls |
| 19:24.50 | ofer0 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 19:24.52 | ofer0 | tell me if it works |
| 19:24.57 | ofer0 | XoR, ^ |
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| 19:25.52 | XoR | ofer0: incorret link... |
| 19:25.53 | mhall | ofer0: probably not the right URL |
| 19:25.57 | ofer0 | oops, sorry :) |
| 19:25.59 | XoR | :) |
| 19:26.11 | ofer0 | there you go: |
| 19:26.11 | ofer0 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4273 |
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| 19:26.59 | mhall | XoR: so tell me, do you know what happens if i xor you with a clone of yourself, and then xor you both again |
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| 19:27.56 | mhall | w00t! Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 themhallbox tty1 |
| 19:28.11 | ofer0 | mhall, if you xor X with X, you'll get 0, if you'll xor it again, you'll get X. |
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| 19:29.41 | jsn | What are you talking about, willis^H^H^H^H^H^H mhall? |
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| 19:29.48 | jsn | 4.0? |
| 19:30.06 | XoR | ofer0: this error again.... |
| 19:30.15 | jsn | I am not looking at a cached copy of www.debian.org/ |
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| 19:30.36 | XoR | ofer0: Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
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| 19:30.57 | mhall | Whomever it was that responded to my XOR joke, you missed the joke. |
| 19:30.59 | ofer0 | XoR, you use apache 2.0, right ? |
| 19:31.11 | mhall | ofer0: The joke was, he and his clone would trade lives |
| 19:31.18 | XoR | ofer0: i use apache from etch - 2.2.3 |
| 19:32.07 | XoR | ofer0: Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 19:32.08 | kakarot | my kernel loads always on star the acpi-cpufreq module although i have unistall it with modconf, and it doesn't appears in /etc/modules. How can i disable the load of the module, is there other place to say the kernel what modules have to load? tank you |
| 19:32.08 | ofer0 | XoR, maybe that's your problem. they change a lot of stuff in apache 2.2. wait a sec. |
| 19:32.23 | mhall | kakarot: why is it a problem |
| 19:33.12 | kakarot | mhall it's a problem because i don't want that module to be loaded |
| 19:33.21 | mhall | kakarot: why not |
| 19:34.01 | kakarot | mhall because i have a pentium M, and i need the speedstep-centrino module, and both are uncompatible |
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| 19:34.21 | mhall | kakarot: ah. ok. |
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| 19:34.24 | trym|work | is there a safe way to change the system to 64bit (debian stable) |
| 19:34.25 | C2H5OH | hi |
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| 19:34.41 | mhall | kakarot: one sec, i think i remember and answer but i need to look it up |
| 19:34.44 | C2H5OH | anyone knows how to disable bold fonts in xterm when using xft fonts? |
| 19:34.44 | XoR | ofer0: maybe => http://threebit.net/mail-archive/apache-users/msg00142.html |
| 19:35.00 | ofer0 | XoR, |
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| 19:35.27 | ofer0 | listen, you are going to have to load the module mod_authz_host |
| 19:35.28 | kakarot | mhall so i have to run modconf, uninstall the acpi-cpufreq and install speedstep-centrino each time |
| 19:35.31 | mhall | kakarot: you have hotplug or udev |
| 19:35.36 | ofer0 | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authz_host.html |
| 19:36.10 | kakarot | mhall udev |
| 19:36.12 | mhall | C2H5OH: probably a pain in the ass X resources reconfiguration |
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| 19:36.33 | mhall | kakarot: ok. there is some way to disable or blacklist a module in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 19:36.34 | C2H5OH | I've tried with boldMode resourc |
| 19:36.38 | C2H5OH | resource* |
| 19:36.43 | C2H5OH | but doesn't seem to work |
| 19:36.50 | kakarot | mhall i'll look |
| 19:36.50 | trym|work | what do I use for intel xeon 64bit? ia64 ? |
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| 19:36.57 | mhall | kakarot: i believe you alias it to some value, which makes it quit working |
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| 19:37.12 | mhall | kakarot: look at hotplug->udev dpkg factoid for more info |
| 19:37.26 | mhall | kakarot: googling udev blacklist and udev blacklisting might also help |
| 19:37.31 | XoR | ofer0: i need install this module, but i cant find it.... |
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| 19:37.36 | mhall | trym|work: no |
| 19:37.42 | mhall | trym|work: ia64 is the itanium |
| 19:37.53 | mhall | trym|work: x86_64 or amd64 is what you want |
| 19:37.59 | trym|work | ah ok |
| 19:38.02 | mhall | !amd64 |
| 19:38.02 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 19:38.25 | mhall | trym|work: what you will find is, many packages are unavailable, like openoffice |
| 19:38.31 | trym|work | its a server |
| 19:38.43 | trym|work | so I just need the usual stuff |
| 19:38.53 | mhall | trym|work: yeah that shit will work fine |
| 19:39.02 | ofer0 | XoR, I'm sure you already have it |
| 19:39.07 | trym|work | is there a smooth way to upgrade the system ? |
| 19:39.10 | ofer0 | XoR, try to load it and see what happend |
| 19:39.14 | mhall | trym|work: you'll find it's really fast because there are twice the CPU registers |
| 19:39.22 | mhall | trym|work: from 32 to 64? not gonna work |
| 19:39.34 | mhall | trym|work: it's really a completely different OS |
| 19:39.39 | trym|work | frick |
| 19:39.51 | trym|work | that kinda sucks |
| 19:39.55 | mhall | trym|work: the CPU designers used 64 as an excuse to strip out almost all of the old 32 bit garbage |
| 19:40.04 | trym|work | well that is sweet |
| 19:40.07 | mhall | trym|work: the drivers, kernel, and compiler and libraries are a whole new world |
| 19:40.17 | mhall | trym|work: much simpler and cleaner, almost like RISC |
| 19:40.39 | mhall | trym|work: for example, in 64, MMX and 3DNOW do not work |
| 19:40.41 | trym|work | Im running 64bit on my workstation.. but as you said.. not everything is availible in 64bit versions.. flash and closed source programs like that are what bugging me the most |
| 19:40.44 | mhall | trym|work: only SSE1 and SSE2 |
| 19:40.49 | trym|work | ooh |
| 19:41.05 | mhall | trym|work: downside is... |
| 19:41.19 | mhall | trym|work: everything's all fucked up to switch from one to the other |
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| 19:41.44 | mhall | trym|work: that's why i have been moving all my data to a 1TB raid |
| 19:41.58 | mhall | trym|work: so i can reinstall to 64 once openoffice and flash are available |
| 19:42.01 | ofer0 | mhall, who told you that bullshit ? |
| 19:42.06 | ofer0 | [21:49:05] <mhall> trym|work: for example, in 64, MMX and 3DNOW do not work |
| 19:42.07 | kakarot | in kde, can anybody say me what is the name of the program having an icon joined the hour, that says if the laptop is plugged or not? |
| 19:42.15 | ofer0 | that's not very true |
| 19:42.23 | mhall | ofer0: if you go into 64 bit mode those opcodes are not available |
| 19:42.25 | ofer0 | well, it's not true at all |
| 19:42.31 | trym|work | i have all my data on a 3,2TB raid.. but the server is in production, so I cant chance on making everything work in one night |
| 19:42.35 | mhall | ofer0: they only work in the 32 bit backward compatibility mode |
| 19:42.52 | mhall | trym|work: grab another boot drive and install on that? |
| 19:43.18 | ofer0 | mhall, what makes you think so? |
| 19:43.19 | mhall | ofer0: in 64 bit you only have SSE1 and SSE2 aiui |
| 19:43.20 | klikklak | hi, has anyone solved the "unable to create: `/usr/lib/...libglx.so' problem with xserver-xorg-core 1.1.1-10? I've been reading debian-user but there hasn't been any solve to it there yet.. |
| 19:43.25 | trym|work | mhall: yeah it is doable.. Im just very anxious about making mistakes |
| 19:43.47 | mhall | ofer0: maybe i'm wrong, i didn't read about it in great detail because i don't use those instructions personally |
| 19:44.05 | mhall | ofer0: if in fact i'm mistaken it wouldn't kill you to be a little more polite |
| 19:44.06 | ofer0 | mhall, yeah, you're wrong. check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3DNow for more details |
| 19:44.11 | klikklak | sadly my email capability is crippled by lack of X since I use evolution normally... |
| 19:44.24 | ofer0 | mhall, sorry, didn't mean anything bad |
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| 19:45.22 | mhall | there are no girls on teh intarweb :-P |
| 19:45.24 | trym|work | I know there's no eta etc on etch.. but a ballpark month/year ? |
| 19:45.32 | mhall | !wwir |
| 19:45.33 | dvs | 2007 |
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| 19:46.05 | sanmarcos | is there a way to specify where an application starsts with xinerama/twinview? |
| 19:46.06 | trym|work | my two options are just running i686 SMP for now.. or install the amd64 port |
| 19:46.06 | streuner | !wwir |
| 19:46.18 | streuner | !listkeys wir |
| 19:46.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wir' by key (15 of 28): #debian limewire ;; #debian tripwire ;; CMD: swirlie (.*?) ;; _default firewire ;; _default limewire ;; _default servowire ;; _default swirl ;; _default wir ;; _default wireless ;; firewire ;; firewire camera ;; intel pro wireless 2100 ;; servowire ;; what-wireless ;; wireless-infrared/radio control. |
| 19:46.23 | dvs | !wwsr |
| 19:46.24 | dpkg | it has been said that wwsr is It is released: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 19:46.46 | mhall | !wwer |
| 19:46.46 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00009.html |
| 19:47.20 | trym|work | "Please remember that we all need to work together to get Etch out on time." so there is a date set? ;) |
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| 19:47.59 | dvs | trym|work: And they've never released on time |
| 19:48.06 | trym|work | hehe |
| 19:48.12 | XoR | ofer0: which module i need load => http://channels.debian.net/paste/4274 |
| 19:48.13 | mhall | dvs: yeah because nobody works together :-D |
| 19:48.23 | trym|work | what is the deadline (which they arent going to make) ? |
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| 19:49.13 | trym|work | 4.dec? |
| 19:49.14 | ofer0 | XoR, apt-cache search authz | grep -i authz |
| 19:49.32 | streuner | trym|work: wir |
| 19:49.41 | trym|work | wir? |
| 19:49.44 | streuner | !wir |
| 19:49.44 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 19:49.47 | dvs | when it's ready |
| 19:49.59 | trym|work | I know that.. but appearantly there is a goal date set |
| 19:50.06 | mhall | what does siyh stand for though |
| 19:50.07 | dvs | trym|work: and it won't be met |
| 19:50.09 | XoR | ofer0: only this => libapache-authznetldap-perl - LDAP access control for Apache+mod_perl |
| 19:50.13 | mhall | the siyh factoid does not say |
| 19:50.26 | trym|work | dvs: still.. gives you a certain idea |
| 19:50.28 | streuner | soon if you help |
| 19:50.33 | mhall | ah-ha |
| 19:50.41 | dvs | trym|work: Nope, especially with the sarge release |
| 19:50.41 | ofer0 | XoR, so you're fucked. go to the last link from apache.org and find instructions how to NOT use this module and still be able to limit access. |
| 19:50.42 | mhall | my favorite is fftsap |
| 19:50.49 | mhall | feel free to submit a patch |
| 19:51.11 | trym|work | should I feel worried about amd64 stable not being official ? |
| 19:51.21 | mhall | ofer0: maybe they just compiled it in this time |
| 19:51.28 | mhall | trym|work: for production server? yes you should. |
| 19:51.37 | streuner | trym|work: ask in #debian-amd64 about that |
| 19:51.39 | trym|work | iow I should wait |
| 19:51.43 | trym|work | okidoki |
| 19:51.43 | mhall | trym|work: imagine how much it would cost, if 3.2TB went offline or got corrupted |
| 19:51.56 | trym|work | mhall: it would suck big time. |
| 19:52.05 | mhall | trym|work: that should answer that question ;-) |
| 19:52.06 | trym|work | so if theres a significant chance of that happening.. Ill pass |
| 19:52.09 | ofer0 | mhall, They did, before apache 2.2 |
| 19:52.11 | mhall | trym|work: believe me though i feel your pain |
| 19:52.21 | klikklak | oh cool. I just moved /var/lib/dpkg/diversions to tmp and xserver-xorg-core installation is succeeding. Am I doing a really bad thing to my system or is this sort of ok? |
| 19:52.27 | mhall | ofer0: ah, so then now they don't, and the module is not available yet? |
| 19:52.48 | mhall | klikklak: yeah that will mess some stuff up |
| 19:52.55 | ofer0 | mhall, dunno.. it's etch we're talking here. I sysadmin debian sarge only |
| 19:52.56 | trym|work | another thing is the stupid closed source dell snmp agents etc |
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| 19:53.09 | jsn | I still am seeing no recent updates in sid. My /etc/apt/sources.list clearly (as far as I know) is right. |
| 19:53.23 | mhall | klikklak: that database is used to prevent partly conflicting stuff from stomping on each other |
| 19:53.35 | dvs | jsn: could be your mirror |
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| 19:53.56 | mhall | what does this mean in make oldconfig? 64 bit Memory and IO resources (EXPERIMENTAL) (RESOURCES_64BIT) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 19:53.58 | klikklak | mhall: sounds bad. OK, I suppose I can wait for gfx a couple days more... |
| 19:54.17 | mhall | klikklak: there is probably a better way to fix it |
| 19:54.21 | jsn | I'm pointing to ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 19:54.24 | mhall | klikklak: like purging nvidia as well as mesa |
| 19:54.30 | mhall | klikklak: then reinstalling mesa |
| 19:54.40 | jsn | mhall: do you have a 64 bit processor? |
| 19:54.47 | mhall | jsn: dual opteron |
| 19:54.54 | klikklak | oh, I haven't purged mesa yet, will do. |
| 19:54.54 | mhall | jsn: but this is a 32 bit kernel compile |
| 19:54.55 | jsn | mhall: not really the answer |
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| 19:55.00 | mhall | jsn: hence why it makes no sense |
| 19:55.06 | jsn | mhall: You can guess why I'd say N |
| 19:55.09 | mhall | jsn: all opteron are 64 |
| 19:55.17 | jsn | Didn't know. |
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| 19:59.45 | jelly-home | mhall: that's new in 2.6.18, right? Seen it here too and have no idea what it does. I'd try lkml.. |
| 19:59.55 | valdyn | mhall: help text sais what? |
| 20:02.25 | xingu | jelly-home, mhall: seems to be related to e820 |
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| 20:03.08 | xingu | jelly-home, mhall: I gather it controls whether we trust e820 resource assignments when the bios says they're mapped above 4GB |
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| 20:04.33 | xingu | jelly-home, mhall: defconfig for x86_64 is Y, would suggest its considered safe enough |
| 20:04.58 | mhall | problem is |
| 20:05.06 | mhall | i have got 32 bit install |
| 20:05.08 | jsn | 64 options on a 32 bit build sounds unhealthy |
| 20:05.19 | mhall | so i don't think it's maybe such a good idea |
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| 20:05.41 | xingu | mhall: I'd agree |
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| 20:05.53 | mhall | xingu: besides it's flagged experimental |
| 20:05.55 | xingu | mhall: that code's obviously there for a probably-broken-e820-related reason |
| 20:06.07 | mhall | xingu: wtf is e820 |
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| 20:06.52 | xingu | mhall: bios entry point; basically ask it what the resource assignments (memory regions, io mappings, yadda) are |
| 20:07.13 | klikklak | mhall: did you mean remove half the system when you said reinstall mesa? it has a ton of dependencies. |
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| 20:08.17 | xingu | the relevant code is ...linux/arch/i386/kernel/setup.c |
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| 20:08.48 | xingu | there's also a typedef change to resources_t (32bit->64bit) in include/linux/types.h |
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| 20:09.08 | DeFender1031 | mhall, booting on the dock didn't work |
| 20:09.15 | mhall | klikklak: you might have to download the deb with apt-get --download-only install |
| 20:09.27 | mhall | klikklak: then, dpkg --force-depends --purge it |
| 20:09.29 | Studiosus | Hi, all! How can I safely downgrade from unstable to testing? |
| 20:09.36 | mhall | klikklak: and dpkg -i it again from the downloaded deb |
| 20:09.55 | mhall | Studiosus: that sentence is an oxymoron |
| 20:10.11 | jair | this is a very general question guys, in VIM it is a way i can highlight a paragraph using the command ": plus something" and then using the arrows select it correct? |
| 20:10.20 | klikklak | mhall, oh ok, I was deep in dselect going through pages and pages of dep's :) ... thanks. |
| 20:10.22 | Studiosus | mhall, because of 'safe'? |
| 20:10.41 | mhall | klikklak: yeah purging and reinstalling heavily depped packages is a son of a bitch |
| 20:10.55 | mhall | klikklak: but sometimes it is the only thing that works, that's why they still have dpkg |
| 20:11.05 | mhall | Studiosus: yeah :-) |
| 20:11.17 | mhall | is real 3m30.790s |
| 20:11.28 | mhall | is 3m30.790s a good kernel compile time? |
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| 20:12.15 | klikklak | mhall, yep, and knowing how to use it seems to be as useful as ever |
| 20:12.39 | jair | anyone here can help me with vim = vi? |
| 20:12.43 | mhall | klikklak: yeah i've had to mess with dpkg a lot since 1997 |
| 20:12.51 | mhall | !tell jair about ask |
| 20:13.05 | mhall | !tell jair about repeat |
| 20:13.31 | jair | I am trying to find the command to select a paragraph and then cut it and paste it using a highlight feature and the arrow keys, i se it before. |
| 20:14.13 | gravity | jair: 'v' to enter visual mode and select your paragraph. 'd' to cut it. 'p' to paste once you've moved to where you want to paste it. |
| 20:14.17 | jair | mhall: all right I got it |
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| 20:14.50 | jair | gravity: :) I knew you could do it :) |
| 20:14.57 | mhall | it's amazing how fast a half-page of dpkg irc politeness factoids takes effect |
| 20:14.58 | jair | gravity: thank you very much |
| 20:15.00 | mhall | lol |
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| 20:15.43 | Studiosus | mhall, I did s/unstable/testing in sources.list and dist-upgrade gives only one pkg for *up*grade. Is it ok? I thought there'll be lots of pkgs to downgrade. |
| 20:15.55 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 20:15.56 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 20:16.14 | Studiosus | :( |
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| 20:16.18 | klikklak | mhall: oh, it looks like reinstalling those didn't work. Damn. I suppose someone will fix it in a couple days, since this is a pretty major usability problem |
| 20:16.38 | mhall | fuck, something broke my grub configuration |
| 20:16.41 | mhall | i fucking hate grub |
| 20:16.44 | mhall | hate hate hate |
| 20:16.51 | dvs | mhall: then use lilo |
| 20:16.53 | mhall | but this box wouldn't boot right with lilo |
| 20:16.53 | _fat | kill it |
| 20:16.53 | jair | gravity: Thnak you for your help here ;) |
| 20:16.55 | Zap-W | jhhh |
| 20:17.01 | mhall | dvs: would if i could man, believe me |
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| 20:17.56 | reebd | Does anybody run xen on core2duo? I'm wondering if there is native vt and xen support in it. |
| 20:18.10 | _fat | mhall, what's your /boot/grub/menu.1st? |
| 20:18.12 | gravity | jair: No problem |
| 20:18.16 | mhall | reebd: supposed to be i thought |
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| 20:18.42 | mhall | _fat: it's kinda weird, it only lists 2.6.17 kernel but my box is running 2.6.17.8 kernel |
| 20:18.48 | reebd | mhall: xen locks hard on my Core Duo (Yonah), Intel 82801G. |
| 20:18.53 | mhall | _fat: i'm hoping i just copied a kernel into the wrong file |
| 20:18.54 | _fat | mhall, point it to the right kernel then |
| 20:18.58 | wols_ | anyone use core2duo |
| 20:19.02 | jair | gravity: the reason why i want to get the understanding of VIM is because i really thing that can make your work much more easier. |
| 20:19.04 | wols_ | !anyone use core2duo |
| 20:19.05 | dpkg | No, no one uses core2duo, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:19.09 | _fat | mhall, what deb dist are you running? |
| 20:19.17 | mhall | _fat: unstable |
| 20:19.30 | _fat | mhall, how did you compilie/install the new kernel? |
| 20:19.31 | mhall | _fat: it's almost like something came and messed with the file during a dist upgrade or ... ? ... |
| 20:19.34 | reebd | wols_: amuzing. |
| 20:19.35 | mhall | _fat: manually |
| 20:19.35 | _fat | hm |
| 20:19.41 | mhall | _fat: that's why i am so confused |
| 20:19.41 | _fat | mhall, it shouldnt |
| 20:19.46 | wols_ | reebd: your polls are less so |
| 20:19.48 | mhall | _fat: yeah one wouldn't think |
| 20:19.53 | _fat | mhall, but how did you complie/install it? |
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| 20:20.06 | _fat | err compilie |
| 20:20.07 | reebd | wols_: it's not a poll you pissant. It was a question. |
| 20:20.11 | _fat | wtf |
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| 20:20.17 | _fat | excuse my french i'm rather drunk |
| 20:20.20 | wols_ | reebd: watch your language please |
| 20:20.30 | reebd | wols_: you started it. |
| 20:20.42 | wols_ | did I call you names for asking a poll? |
| 20:20.48 | wols_ | and an anyone question? |
| 20:20.56 | reebd | wols_: what? |
| 20:20.59 | wols_ | the fact that there is an extra factoid for it should tell you something |
| 20:21.09 | Coweater | he included the question with his poll |
| 20:21.14 | mhall | _fat: what kind of alcohol |
| 20:21.24 | _fat | mhall, all kinds i'm afraid |
| 20:21.26 | reebd | wols_: you call that factoid? |
| 20:21.31 | reebd | lol |
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| 20:21.49 | mhall | _fat: haha, yesterday i did the same. about six shots of maker's bourbon plus four long islands |
| 20:21.52 | jair | gravity: for example, can I have a pc1=solaris and pc2=debian --> I have a file1 in pc2 and want to paste that to a pc1. and all I have access is to a ssh and console terminal no gui stuff or x. |
| 20:21.56 | _fat | mhall :P |
| 20:22.05 | _fat | mhall, let's fix your boot problem first though |
| 20:22.06 | mhall | _fat: needless to say i'm not doing much or moving very fast today |
| 20:22.11 | _fat | hehe |
| 20:22.12 | _fat | well |
| 20:22.19 | jair | gravity: I do not have rsync or ftp or sftp |
| 20:22.31 | _fat | mhall, i had 1 hour sleep this night and drinking all day. so life is pretty hard atm |
| 20:22.42 | jelly-home | jair: you have ssh right? So you should have scp or sftp. |
| 20:23.01 | mhall | _fat: what does savedefault do again |
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| 20:23.10 | mhall | _fat: and honestly, why only 1 hr. sleep |
| 20:23.12 | Studiosus | can anyone tell why gcc manpages are missing in unstable? |
| 20:23.18 | jair | gravity: so if I can ssh scp and sftp should work? are scp and sftp two different bin files? |
| 20:23.25 | mhall | _fat: i'd have to be banging some seriously hot chicks to make that worthwhile |
| 20:23.47 | wols_ | cause GNU doesn't like manpages |
| 20:23.50 | wols_ | info or nothing |
| 20:24.15 | uws | Heya all, I'm having some problems with exim4 on sarge. the domains I accept mail for are in dc_other_hostnames in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf and dc_relay_nets='10.0.0.0/16'. I want the local LAN to use this machine as a smarthost and receive mail from anywhere to the listed domains |
| 20:24.28 | uws | However, exim only accepts local mail from the local net |
| 20:24.32 | mhall | wols_: info sucks, i hate it |
| 20:24.44 | wols_ | tell it to RMS, not me |
| 20:24.47 | uws | any mail from the outside is 550 relaying denied, even for the local domains |
| 20:24.50 | mhall | wols_: lol |
| 20:24.56 | jelly-home | jair: if you're going to have this situation frequently, I suggest installing screen. |
| 20:25.02 | mhall | uws: take that you evil spammer! |
| 20:25.05 | reebd | grep vmx /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:25.06 | mhall | uws: oh wait. ;-) |
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| 20:25.18 | CharminTheMoose | yk5i8lofki8f; |
| 20:25.24 | Zap-W | if my motherboard dosent have a boot from LAN option can i still boot from the network with a PXE NIC? |
| 20:25.29 | jair | jelly-home: hey jelly-home how are you, :) |
| 20:25.30 | mhall | CharminTheMoose: this isn't your vim window btw |
| 20:25.36 | wols_ | Zap-W: yes |
| 20:25.49 | jair | jelly-home: i will have to install screen on all the unix and linux machines I know |
| 20:25.51 | CharminTheMoose | sorry,that was my annoying little sister |
| 20:25.53 | CharminTheMoose | gjuy |
| 20:26.06 | dvs | !lart CharminTheMoose's sister |
| 20:26.06 | jelly-home | jair: no, just the one you're logged in to. |
| 20:26.07 | mhall | CharminTheMoose: she could prolly learn vim real quick |
| 20:26.11 | Zap-W | wols_: using a floppy? |
| 20:26.17 | mhall | dvs: nice lart you got there |
| 20:26.26 | mhall | dvs: that's a pretty punishing one |
| 20:26.32 | mhall | dvs: made me lol for real |
| 20:26.33 | dvs | heh |
| 20:26.43 | wols_ | Zap-W: using nothing. If the NIC can doe LAN-boting, it can do it |
| 20:26.45 | jair | jelly-home: but in that moment I did not have them and needed to copy a big file couple of lines (40) of a kernel configuration from one solaris to another but I was accessing from my debian using ssh |
| 20:26.50 | jelly-home | jair: I'm assuming you're sitting at the console of either S1 or S2. |
| 20:26.56 | wols_ | the NIC usually needs an EEPROM tho, or have a built in EEPROM |
| 20:27.07 | jair | yes |
| 20:27.20 | jair | jelly-home: yes I will be sitting on the machine debian |
| 20:27.23 | CharminTheMoose | go hurt yourself-his sister111111111111 |
| 20:27.39 | jair | jelly-home: it is interesting all the different cases, I have had in the server room. |
| 20:27.40 | jelly-home | jair: tar cf - file | ssh server1 tar xfv - |
| 20:27.40 | wols_ | CharminTheMoose: do you have a debian related question or problem? |
| 20:27.49 | Zap-W | wols_: how do i instruct the BIOS to attempt to boot from the NIC? |
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| 20:27.58 | jair | jelly-home: what that will do? |
| 20:28.05 | CharminTheMoose | bloody sisters. |
| 20:28.10 | wols_ | Zap-W: you don't do ANYTHING in the BIOS: either the NIC can do it or not. consult your NIC manual |
| 20:28.20 | jelly-home | jair: copy local file "file" to server2. |
| 20:28.27 | _fat | mhall, well i'm a bit of a drug abuser |
| 20:28.31 | CharminTheMoose | sorry wols_ |
| 20:28.33 | mhall | _fat: which drugs |
| 20:28.33 | _fat | mhall, so it's no problem really ;) |
| 20:28.47 | _fat | mhall, i'm trying to stick with bud only |
| 20:28.58 | jelly-home | jair: er, server1. |
| 20:29.01 | _fat | brb getting a beer |
| 20:29.02 | _fat | afk |
| 20:29.18 | mhall | lol |
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| 20:29.52 | jair | jelly-home: ok, let's put this in a better way. i will try to diagram the situations |
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| 20:30.20 | jair | i will prepare it, are you here for a little bit? |
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| 20:30.42 | jair | jelly-home: i will be working on the diagram because it is kind of cool to get all the possible workarounds :) |
| 20:30.43 | xingu | oh my aching eyes |
| 20:30.48 | xingu | please don't verbise nouns |
| 20:31.14 | jelly-home | jair: if you can get the paste bit into a local file, you can do whatever you want with it. |
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| 20:32.04 | roxy_ | what is the utility to copy to ftp server ? |
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| 20:32.48 | wols_ | ftp |
| 20:32.48 | jelly-home | jair: for text files, you can do a simple netcat on both sides (assuming the machine can see each other, and no firewall or NAT between). |
| 20:32.48 | roxy_ | wols_: I thought ftp was only interactive |
| 20:33.00 | DeFender1031 | i'm using etch and i'm having trouble getting it to recognize my wireless |
| 20:33.03 | wols_ | ncfrpput then for example |
| 20:33.09 | wols_ | ncftpput |
| 20:33.33 | wols_ | and with some expect magic ftp is non-interactive too |
| 20:33.36 | jelly-home | jair: eg. solaris$ nc -l -p 64738 > some-file debian$ nc -w1 solaris 64738 < some-file |
| 20:34.07 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.11 | jair | jelly-home: my friend you are brilliant ;) |
| 20:34.15 | Eulex | ya |
| 20:34.28 | jelly-home | !nc |
| 20:34.28 | dpkg | i heard nc is (Network Computer) This is a concept that came from the old days of dumb terminals. They are supposed to reduce the cost of standardized computers in the office environment. or the name of the netcat binary. North Carolina, or where the tobacco grows greener |
| 20:34.34 | jelly-home | meh |
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| 20:34.37 | Eulex | cat some-file | ssh foo "cat > some-file" |
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| 20:34.52 | giupy | hi all |
| 20:35.02 | roxy_ | wols_: thanks |
| 20:35.15 | Eulex | jair, ^^ |
| 20:35.20 | jelly-home | jair, Eulex: yeah, there are many variations on that theme. |
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| 20:36.11 | xingu | roxy_: also see netrc(5) |
| 20:36.24 | giupy | OT is there a way to search in a text file a number like X<n<Y ? |
| 20:37.22 | jelly-home | xingu: I completely trust the network! :-) |
| 20:37.45 | dvs | !pal jelly-home |
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| 20:38.32 | jelly-home | xingu: Mr. Shannon can't hurt me, I've passed my information theory and learned nothing from it! |
| 20:39.10 | xingu | ahahaha... the carrying capacity of information through free air interfacing with an undergrad at the edge? |
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| 20:40.52 | xingu | jelly-home: semi-seriously, 1gigE is getting into the danger zone for tcp and 802.11 crcs, and 10gigE is cutting it very fine indeed; for my sake, add a little md5sum love in there |
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| 20:41.13 | xingu | err, 802.3 |
| 20:41.20 | xingu | wlan on the brain, I swear |
| 20:41.24 | jair | jelly-home: My friend, i will try to hurry, I think that this one will be pretty interesting. I will be back .. |
| 20:41.33 | roxy_ | using ftp I can log, mkdir, cd ... but ls just hangs . Where could that come from ? |
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| 20:43.07 | valdyn | roxy_: broken router, ftp needs explicit support to be used from behind a masquerading router ( which your home router most likely is ) |
| 20:43.48 | xingu | roxy_: retest using "ftp -p" perhaps, too |
| 20:44.25 | jelly-home | xingu: hmm, I never really thought about it. This is for kb-mb sized transfers of file though, the petabytes of backups that I actually use gigE for all have another layer of crc just in case. Now that you put a bug in my ear, I'm gonna ask the vendor if they do crc checking for network transfers. |
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| 20:44.56 | roxy_ | xingu: ftp -p is not very helpfull. |
| 20:45.04 | roxy_ | valdyn: where can I get more info ? |
| 20:45.18 | valdyn | !ftp must die |
| 20:45.18 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 20:45.30 | valdyn | roxy_: on google i suppose |
| 20:45.42 | valdyn | roxy_: -p likely meant passive mode, you should try that |
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| 20:46.17 | blondie | hmm, is it possible to make debian/gnome? use the sound card for beeping, instead of the system speaker? |
| 20:46.33 | roxy_ | without -p it hangs, with -p the result is connection refused |
| 20:46.42 | roxy_ | after typing ls |
| 20:47.10 | valdyn | roxy_: what kind of router are you using? |
| 20:47.32 | valdyn | roxy_: have you tried different ftp servers? |
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| 20:48.01 | valdyn | gnome uses the speaker? |
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| 20:48.34 | roxy_ | linksys. It is the ftp server of the hosting company, I can't change it. |
| 20:49.23 | valdyn | roxy_: they give ssh access? |
| 20:49.37 | roxy_ | valdyn: no |
| 20:50.33 | silly_girl22 | is there any software available to debian like super internet tv in windows? |
| 20:50.43 | jelly-home | silly_girl22: what does it do? |
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| 20:51.04 | xingu | valdyn: can you set up port forwarding on the linksys to forward port 20 to your pc? |
| 20:51.13 | xingu | err, roxy_ |
| 20:51.49 | roxy_ | xingu: yes, trying it now . |
| 20:51.59 | silly_girl22 | it gathers as many channels as possible and order them neatly in a menu. streaming internet tv such as the one available from bbc. |
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| 20:52.47 | sanmarcos | is there a way to specify where an application starsts with xinerama/twinview? |
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| 20:53.46 | xingu | sanmarcos: sometimes, the Xt-era ... -geometry ... allows absolute positioning |
| 20:54.08 | jel | sanmarcos: "DISPLAY=:0.1 appname" might work |
| 20:54.43 | sanmarcos | jel: ok, thanks |
| 20:55.05 | lancel00t | is there any point to using module assitant in a chroot? |
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| 20:55.43 | roxy_ | xingu: not working. I'll try from work tomorrow. |
| 20:55.53 | roxy_ | valdyn, xingu : thanks for the help |
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| 20:56.47 | xingu | broken hosting outfit meets broken consumer gateway |
| 20:56.51 | xingu | brilliant |
| 20:57.05 | jel | lancel00t: nope, don't think so. You'd want something like xen for that kind of specific setup, not just a chroot |
| 20:57.30 | xingu | who still spins up ftpd's that lack PASV for goodness sake |
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| 20:58.21 | jel | silly_girl22: what streaming tv thing are you talking about? |
| 20:58.53 | silly_girl22 | super internet tv is software in windows that gathers as many channels as possible and order them neatly in a menu. streaming internet tv such as the one available from bbc. is there anything like it for linux? |
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| 21:00.07 | jel | silly_girl22: If you mean vodcatchers/podcatchers/broadcatchers, there are quite a few: democracy TV (but it's slow and heavy), penguintv, katchTV, and probably others |
| 21:00.14 | _fat | sillygirl, should you find it pls let me know |
| 21:01.27 | jel | the first two are for gnome, and at least one might be in debian. The other is kde |
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| 21:01.40 | craigevil | democracy player can be installed with apt ay least in Sid |
| 21:02.19 | jel | yep, there are also debs available on the getdemocracy.com (or .org) site. PenguinTV is lighter though. |
| 21:02.59 | jel | although penguintv is the least like a TV out of those :) |
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| 21:05.52 | SerajewelKS | does apache2 not have LFS support? when trying to get a file that is >2gb, the following is found in my error.log: [Sun Oct 29 15:56:58 2006] [error] [client 10.155.40.28] (75)Value too large for defined data type |
| 21:06.11 | SerajewelKS | i'm on 2.6.15; i assume that's recent enough for sendfile64 |
| 21:06.23 | Deepa | i moved a file that was 12GB using apache... |
| 21:06.27 | Eulex | afaik apache 2.0 doesn't support files > 2gb. support for that was added in 2.2. |
| 21:06.51 | SerajewelKS | !info apache2 etch |
| 21:06.51 | Eulex | I think. I might very well be wrong, though |
| 21:06.57 | dpkg | apache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-2 (etch), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 21:07.07 | SerajewelKS | 2.2.3 then |
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| 21:07.22 | SerajewelKS | and the changelog says it was added to 2.0 too |
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| 21:08.08 | Eulex | just a guess, but might the protocol that you're using that you're using have a 2gb limit? |
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| 21:08.37 | SerajewelKS | what, HTTP? |
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| 21:09.13 | Eulex | well, that's not it then. |
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| 21:09.31 | fasta | How can I list all Xft fonts on my system? |
| 21:09.46 | lancel00t | is there a way to x xorg to work in sid? |
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| 21:10.14 | jel | fasta: xlsfonts? |
| 21:10.32 | SerajewelKS | lancel00t: that question makes no sense |
| 21:10.52 | lancel00t | SerajewelKS: why do you think that? |
| 21:10.57 | DaBlade | In vi, when I've pressed Insert and edited some text, how do I go back to the controls where I can enter :wq to save and quit? |
| 21:11.05 | fasta | jel: I don't think so |
| 21:11.09 | jel | DaBlade: escape |
| 21:11.28 | fasta | jel: I need an X resource of the following form: Emacs.font: Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-8 |
| 21:11.34 | DaBlade | jel: thanks |
| 21:11.48 | Eulex | lancel00t, I'd say: yes. but could you please state your actual problem so people could actually help you? |
| 21:12.10 | lancel00t | it's the well known problem about the fontpath |
| 21:12.21 | SerajewelKS | lancel00t: how do you "x xorg" |
| 21:12.33 | SerajewelKS | lancel00t: i'm not sure what it means to "x" something |
| 21:12.45 | lancel00t | whatever Serajewel |
| 21:13.13 | SerajewelKS | lancel00t: whatever? if i can't parse your english i can't help... |
| 21:13.26 | craigevil | lancel00t: what actual problem are you having? xorg /fonts work just fine in Sid |
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| 21:13.56 | lancel00t | craigdevil: maybe my problem was that i was running it in a chroot and had improperly configured the env. |
| 21:14.38 | jel | lancel00t: you're running X chroot? |
| 21:14.46 | lancel00t | jel: was trying to |
| 21:15.05 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: of course if this XP box weren't borked i'd just be using samba =) |
| 21:15.07 | jel | jel: hehh. You're braver than I am :) |
| 21:15.34 | Eulex | jel, talking to yourself? which part is braver? :P |
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| 21:15.55 | Eulex | lancel00t, 'may be'? well, xorg in sid works well outside a chroot... |
| 21:16.14 | SerajewelKS | lancel00t: i've been unable to run any X but Xvnc in a chroot |
| 21:16.14 | jel | Eulex: oops, thanks for catching that :) |
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| 21:16.24 | jel | lancel00t: see above, where I was talking to myself :) |
| 21:16.24 | SerajewelKS | lancel00t: which has the advantage that you can use it from your running desktop |
| 21:16.26 | Caelum | damn, a cable modem is so much nicer than 3G, I can actually use ssh+screen at a near local speed! Let's see if rdesktop works... |
| 21:16.31 | Eulex | jel, happens for everyone once in a while :) |
| 21:16.47 | lancel00t | Eulex: good to know. I'm currently running obsd -current and am comftorable with that. hopefully i can make the transition to debian -sid/unstable |
| 21:16.50 | SerajewelKS | jel: even me! |
| 21:16.59 | SerajewelKS | SerajewelKS: shut up you geekass bastard |
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| 21:17.09 | stojic | Hello there. I have a weird CDROM problem. CDROM device works great when I boot, but if I don't use it for some time (say 10 minutes), I can't mount it anymore (but it spins a medium). I am using Etch on an ACER laptop, so I'm guessing that maybe laptop puts CDROM device to sleep and then the system fails to wake it up properly. Would you say this is a good guess? |
| 21:17.18 | jel | SerajewelKS, Eulex: :) |
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| 21:17.46 | SerajewelKS | stojic: any messages in dmesg? what error message does mount give? |
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| 21:18.32 | stojic | SerajewelKS: nothing strange in dmesg, mount doesn't give any messages, it just hangs and cannot be killed anyhow. |
| 21:18.43 | jel | stojic: sounds right. Another remote possibility is that it's getting mounted at some stage by your desktop. |
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| 21:19.27 | stojic | jel: I tried it both under KDE (which does automount), fluxbox and in console, cannon mount it in any situation |
| 21:19.32 | jel | stojic: if so, hdparm will fix it |
| 21:19.44 | stojic | jel: it will? how? |
| 21:19.59 | phorce1 | jel: but if the desktop grabbed it mount wouldn't hang -- it would exit with an "already mounted" error |
| 21:20.09 | jel | stojic: possibly by re-enabling it, but long-term, by disabling the spin-down |
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| 21:20.34 | LinuxNIT-II | hey guys if use dhclient eth2 to connect my wireless and i loose connection then i just run it again and it reconnects me. but ps shows multiple dhclients running. do i just kill them before reconnecting or is there a better way? |
| 21:20.38 | SerajewelKS | stupid netware |
| 21:20.40 | jel | phorce1: oh, right :) |
| 21:20.47 | stojic | jel: can't disable spin-down, because I'd need to have a medium in spinning all the time |
| 21:20.53 | CharminTheMoose | can someone tell me what userland is? |
| 21:21.00 | SerajewelKS | LinuxNIT-II: ifdown eth2; ifup eth2 |
| 21:21.10 | SerajewelKS | CharminTheMoose: anything that isn't kernel land |
| 21:21.19 | jel | stojic: I meant the powersaving, not spin down |
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| 21:21.40 | stojic | jel: ah, I see, I'll take a look at the man page for hdparm |
| 21:21.43 | LinuxNIT-II | SerajewelKS, i dont store settings in the /etc/networking/interfaces file. |
| 21:22.00 | SerajewelKS | LinuxNIT-II: because why? |
| 21:22.14 | stojic | jel: I also upgraded kernel to 2.6.18, will see if it helps |
| 21:22.17 | LinuxNIT-II | because i dont want it to connect at boot. |
| 21:22.24 | phorce1 | stojic: should be a way in hdparm to tell it to leave the drive alone. "spin down" doesn't necessarily mean "tell it to spin all the time" for a cdrom device. Just tell it to not go to sleep. May also have to fiddle with the system bios, may be a way in there. |
| 21:22.30 | jel | CharminTheMoose: any code that doesn't run inside the kernel |
| 21:22.48 | Caelum | Link Quality=41/100 Signal level=-76 dBm Noise level=-87 dBm Tx excessive retries:515 Invalid misc:351 Missed beacon:30 <-- from iwconfig. Does that mean my signal sucks ass? |
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| 21:23.18 | SerajewelKS | LinuxNIT-II: it won't unless you also put "auto eth2" in the file |
| 21:23.23 | stojic | phorce1: yep, tried to fiddle with bios, but these laptops have practically no configuration options there |
| 21:23.38 | stojic | apart from boot order and date/time |
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| 21:24.12 | Caelum | hdparm doesn't do much to cdrom drives, aside from turning on DMA if necessary |
| 21:24.46 | stojic | Caelum: I just found an option that can turn off apm for a drive so I'll give it ago |
| 21:24.52 | SerajewelKS | stojic: write a daemon that reads from /dev/cdrom every minute! |
| 21:24.57 | Caelum | heh |
| 21:25.25 | jel | SerajewelKS: every minute? But that's like 2 million wasted cycles ;) |
| 21:25.32 | stojic | SerajewelKS: I thought of that (cron job, lets say) but I'm not sure will it work when there is no medium in the device |
| 21:25.47 | SerajewelKS | stojic: try it =) |
| 21:25.58 | jel | oh, no, wait, that's about 120 million wasted cycles... I think :) |
| 21:26.02 | stojic | jel: yep, but rebooting every time I insert cdrom is much worse :) |
| 21:26.13 | SerajewelKS | jel: how many cycles does the box waste doing nothing? => |
| 21:26.33 | stojic | nope, hdparm fails on disabling apm for a device |
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| 21:26.47 | jel | SerajewelKS: depends how much porn he watches ;) |
| 21:26.52 | SerajewelKS | so as far as this 2gb thing, it seems my only solution is to use ftp and mount --bind stupp |
| 21:26.55 | SerajewelKS | stuff too |
| 21:27.23 | SerajewelKS | jel: a video player isn't going to hit 100% =P |
| 21:27.45 | jel | SerajewelKS: depends on how much detail he likes ;) |
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| 21:28.16 | Caelum | stojic: are you using apm or acpi? |
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| 21:28.39 | SerajewelKS | jel: O_o |
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| 21:29.15 | leo2007 | Anybody get a working widescreen framebuffer? |
| 21:29.30 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_0 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/userland |
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| 21:29.38 | stojic | Caelum: acpi, I get apm: can't find BIOS when loading apm module |
| 21:29.38 | yggdrasi1 | hello, can somone help me with cups. ive got test pages printing localy but i cant figure out how to connect to it from another computer over the network. |
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| 21:31.10 | Caelum | stojic: if you want to try apm, you have to boot with noacpi |
| 21:31.18 | Caelum | stojic: it's generally a bad idea though |
| 21:32.31 | stojic | Caelum: yep, I googled a bit on this, it seems that my system needs acpi (I read somewhere that newer MBOs with turion x2 processors need ACPI to work properly) |
| 21:32.50 | Caelum | yeah, most system do now... |
| 21:33.22 | SerajewelKS | oh shit |
| 21:33.48 | SerajewelKS | if you umount a partition that is used in a mount --bind then umounting the bind hangs |
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| 21:34.37 | yggdrasi1 | anyone here help me with cups ? |
| 21:34.56 | SerajewelKS | !tell yggdrasi1 about ask |
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| 21:35.09 | stojic | ok, I just disabled standby for cdrom, will wait for some time to see if it does its things again :) |
| 21:35.29 | jel | yggdrasi1: you can use cups's replacements for bsd commands like lpr, or you can use IPP |
| 21:35.52 | jel | yggdrasi1: basically, install cups on the other machine, and add a printer, setting it as a remote cups printer |
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| 21:36.15 | jel | yggdrasi1: but I've never done it, so that's about all I can tell you |
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| 21:37.32 | yggdrasi1 | i just cant figure out wht the uri of the printer is |
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| 21:37.44 | stojic | yggdrasi1: I did it using samba (to share printer with win machines), but not sure that that's what you want |
| 21:37.58 | yggdrasi1 | man i just want to print my tab so i can play guitar |
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| 21:38.08 | stojic | hehe :) |
| 21:38.13 | yggdrasi1 | im getting test prints off of the computer that i have the printer on |
| 21:38.28 | jel | yggdrasi1: just google for "ipp://" and you should get some examples |
| 21:38.28 | yggdrasi1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.28 | yggdrasi1 | Search in Printers: Clear |
| 21:38.28 | yggdrasi1 | Showing 2 of 2 printers. Sort Descending |
| 21:38.42 | yggdrasi1 | ok... heres whta cubs lists it as.. HP_OfficeJet_6100_Series_USB_1 |
| 21:39.06 | yggdrasi1 | hehe illinoise prarie path |
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| 21:39.29 | das_netz | hi |
| 21:39.34 | das_netz | i need your help |
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| 21:39.51 | das_netz | i use udev but my network down |
| 21:40.08 | das_netz | if i use hotplug my network work fine |
| 21:40.28 | GrimWald | i got exactly the same pb ;( |
| 21:40.57 | das_netz | i try rmmod dmfe and tulip modules then modprobe dmfe or tulip and then restartting my network |
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| 21:41.15 | das_netz | and the network work fine |
| 21:41.23 | yggdrasi1 | thatnks for the help guys bbl |
| 21:41.36 | das_netz | any body can you help me? |
| 21:42.01 | ehj20 | What might be a good way to auto login into Blackbox? Would it have to be kdm or gdm, or is there anything more lightweight? |
| 21:43.17 | jel | ehj20: there's xdm, and wdm (or something like that), or you can just run startx from your shell (or from a startup script that SUs to your username, I suppose) |
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| 21:47.23 | MickMcMack | Hullo thar? ¬_¬ |
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| 21:48.44 | MickMcMack | I have downloaded an application not using apt, and it refuses to run: http://paste.dprogramming.com/dphoeusr.php |
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| 21:49.24 | ehj20 | jel: thanks |
| 21:49.32 | jel | MickMcMack: You should take that up with the author. But... "refuses to run"? |
| 21:49.39 | Pryon | MickMcMack: What's the first line of that file? |
| 21:49.40 | jel | ehj20: np :) |
| 21:49.57 | MickMcMack | jel: It did this with Eclipse too, by the way. |
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| 21:50.05 | MickMcMack | Pryon: 2secs. |
| 21:50.23 | jel | MickMcMack: never mind eclipse. How are you trying to run it, and what happens? |
| 21:50.27 | Stevie-O | <apt> No WAY am I running for that guy |
| 21:50.29 | c0nf | he, i gonna try debian-31r3-ia64-netinst, i wanted to ask... how to install nvidia graphic drivers on it? |
| 21:50.31 | MickMcMack | Pryon: " #!/bin/sh " |
| 21:50.36 | MickMcMack | jel: I am going ./CodeGuide |
| 21:50.40 | Pryon | Actually, it's probably not that, considering the error message |
| 21:50.47 | MickMcMack | I can do /full/path/to/CodeGuide |
| 21:50.49 | MickMcMack | Same error. |
| 21:50.55 | c0nf | :<> |
| 21:51.01 | jel | And the error? |
| 21:51.04 | lancel00t | hum, i just installed sid and now yaboot cannot find /boot/vmlinux on my root drive. any idead? |
| 21:51.09 | lancel00t | ideas* |
| 21:51.14 | MickMcMack | execvp: No such file or directory |
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| 21:51.35 | jel | lancel00t: ls /boot/vm* ? |
| 21:51.40 | MickMcMack | jel: same erroras the one from the pastebin. ^ |
| 21:51.44 | MickMcMack | *error as |
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| 21:52.00 | c0nf | he, i gonna try debian-31r3-ia64-netinst, i wanted to ask... how to install nvidia graphic drivers on it? |
| 21:52.02 | c0nf | cmon people:p |
| 21:52.05 | jel | MickMcMack: ahh, I thought you had linked the program there. |
| 21:52.39 | MickMcMack | xD |
| 21:52.44 | lancel00t | jel: what is the name of the kernel you boot? |
| 21:52.50 | lancel00t | jel: just curious |
| 21:53.04 | MickMcMack | So any guesses at what could be wrong? :S |
| 21:53.08 | sanmarcos | there is package xyz on debian, but I installed my own rolled xyz package, how can I make to that apt doesnt bother me about updating to official xyz? |
| 21:53.26 | jel | lancel00t: /boot/vmlinux is there on mine, but I'm running ubuntu right now |
| 21:53.33 | Pryon | MickMcMack: a bug in that script |
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| 21:54.33 | MickMcMack | Pryon: exactly the same error when I try to launch Eclipse though. :( |
| 21:55.01 | MickMcMack | And that's a binary executable, not a script. :s |
| 21:55.07 | jel | sanmarcos: if the package name is the same, just hold it in your package manager |
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| 21:55.35 | sanmarcos | jel: how do I do that in the command line? |
| 21:56.05 | jel | sanmarcos: aptitude old packagename will do it |
| 21:56.18 | abrotman | hold ? |
| 21:56.21 | jel | err.. aptitude hold packagename, I mean :) |
| 21:56.27 | jel | yes :) |
| 21:56.52 | sanmarcos | thanks |
| 21:57.12 | c0nf | cmoooon.. how to install nvidia graphic driver under debian x64 version :x |
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| 21:58.08 | jel | sanmarcos: that may just apply to aptitude though. If you're stuck, look into apt pinning, making up a fake package, or hacking /var/lib/dpkg/status ;) |
| 21:58.38 | phorce1 | c0nf: If no-one answered the first 2 times there's probably no-one here who knows. Come back later and ask again. (or keep asking everey 2 minutes until everyone /ignores you) |
| 21:59.05 | c0nf | ok >.< |
| 21:59.07 | MickMcMack | jel: Pryon: http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpeupplr.php :( |
| 21:59.08 | abrotman | is it pure64 ? |
| 21:59.14 | abrotman | c0nf: pure64 ? |
| 21:59.24 | c0nf | pure64 what? oO |
| 21:59.35 | abrotman | amd64 or 32bit debian ? |
| 21:59.55 | stojic | ok, this seems to be working :), thanks for the help |
| 22:00.04 | phorce1 | abrotman: he said a64 install |
| 22:00.05 | c0nf | abrotman, amd64 |
| 22:00.14 | phorce1 | errr -- ia64 |
| 22:00.15 | c0nf | debian-31r3-ia64-netinst |
| 22:00.17 | c0nf | ya |
| 22:00.38 | abrotman | phorce1: make up your mind |
| 22:00.48 | abrotman | c0nf: uname -a .. paste the whole thing here |
| 22:01.00 | c0nf | atm im not on it :( |
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| 22:01.06 | c0nf | isnt debian-31r3-ia64-netinst enough? |
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| 22:01.11 | c0nf | i burned debian-31r3-ia64-netinst.iso |
| 22:01.17 | abrotman | c0nf: what is the CPU ? |
| 22:01.21 | c0nf | amd 64 x2 3800+ |
| 22:01.22 | Shadowcat | ...... |
| 22:01.27 | Shadowcat | someone needs to read the release notes again |
| 22:01.30 | Shadowcat | ia64 is for itanium |
| 22:01.35 | c0nf | mehh |
| 22:01.36 | c0nf | >_<! |
| 22:01.42 | abrotman | that's not ia64 |
| 22:01.43 | phorce1 | abrotman: I made up my mind -- he just changed his. Said he wants to use an ia64 install on an AMD64 -- somehow I see a problem coming up |
| 22:01.46 | Shadowcat | as I was saying |
| 22:01.49 | abrotman | i don't understand why that's confusing to people |
| 22:01.56 | abrotman | c0nf: you need amd64 |
| 22:01.58 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 22:01.58 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 22:02.06 | jel | MickMcMack: try ld blender, and see if it says that any libraries are missing |
| 22:02.15 | MickMcMack | Yessar. o> |
| 22:02.21 | MickMcMack | I assume ldd blender, though? |
| 22:02.41 | c0nf | so i need |
| 22:02.41 | c0nf | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/debian-31r3-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:02.42 | c0nf | right? |
| 22:02.46 | jel | MickMcMack: Oh, yeah, ldd :) |
| 22:02.52 | c0nf | btw how come its 'unofficial' :o |
| 22:03.25 | MickMcMack | What package is ldd in? :s |
| 22:03.31 | abrotman | c0nf: it wasn't released the same time as the rest of sarge |
| 22:03.34 | phorce1 | c0nf: because there is a LOT of "userland" stuff that won't compile in a full 64bit system yet. |
| 22:03.35 | abrotman | MickMcMack: binutils probably |
| 22:03.50 | c0nf | aahh. |
| 22:03.55 | MickMcMack | I thoughtso. |
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| 22:04.26 | c0nf | so what now :P should i just install i386? |
| 22:04.40 | MickMcMack | http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpz3pg5s.php |
| 22:04.44 | MickMcMack | jel: ^ |
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| 22:05.02 | phorce1 | c0nf: Yes, unless you are prepared to do a lot of reading and tweaking. |
| 22:05.22 | c0nf | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:05.24 | c0nf | right? |
| 22:05.29 | Shadowcat | yawn |
| 22:05.34 | phorce1 | c0nf: yes |
| 22:05.37 | Shadowcat | nothing wrong with debian amd64 (knock on wood) |
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| 22:05.38 | abrotman | MickMcMack: what did you do ? |
| 22:05.42 | Shadowcat | but then again I'm running Sid |
| 22:05.55 | abrotman | MickMcMack: which version of debian ? |
| 22:06.20 | abrotman | MickMcMack: apt-get install libc6 |
| 22:06.23 | jel | MickMcMack: do you have any /lib/ld* ? |
| 22:06.55 | MickMcMack | libc6 is already the newest version. |
| 22:07.13 | phorce1 | Shadowcat: depends on what you want to do with it. If using as a console based server probably an excellent choice. As a desktop user machine it leaves a lot to be desired still (mostly in using a web browser with today's javascript/flash based sites) |
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| 22:07.31 | Dante123 | 3i'm looking for a decent linux that I can introduce my kids too....but won't turn them off either.....and run on older hardware |
| 22:07.32 | MickMcMack | ls /lib | grpe ld ===> ld-2.3.6.so ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
| 22:07.39 | Shadowcat | phorce1: as I said, I run sid |
| 22:07.47 | jel | MickMcMack: run ldconfig |
| 22:07.51 | Dante123 | I have a 533mhz HP Pavilion laptop with 192 MB ram......and also an older 350 mhz Pentium II with 192 mb ram..... |
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| 22:08.11 | MickMcMack | jel: done. |
| 22:08.12 | phorce1 | Shadowcat: Yeah, sid might be OK. I went with etch because there are a few things I want to run on the machine 24/7 with no worries. |
| 22:08.30 | MickMcMack | abrotman: 2.6.17-2-amd64 unstable. |
| 22:08.32 | jel | MickMcMack: check if /lib/ld-linux.so.2 is there now |
| 22:08.50 | abrotman | MickMcMack: apt-get install libc6 |
| 22:08.52 | MickMcMack | abrotman: " libc6 is already the newest version. |
| 22:08.55 | MickMcMack | +" |
| 22:09.13 | abrotman | does that /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exist ? |
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| 22:09.23 | MickMcMack | jel: No, but ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 does. |
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| 22:09.43 | jel | MickMcMack: are you on a 64bit machine? |
| 22:09.49 | MickMcMack | Yessar. |
| 22:10.14 | MickMcMack | I symlinked ld-linux.so.2 to the x86_64 file, it seems to work now. |
| 22:10.35 | jel | MickMcMack: OK, you're probably missing compatibility packages then. Ask in #debian-amd64 about that |
| 22:10.42 | MickMcMack | Yessar. o> |
| 22:11.01 | jel | MickMcMack: Oh, OK, good. |
| 22:11.08 | phorce1 | Dante123: Ubuntu might be an easier intro than a direct jump to debian. May run acceptably well on older hardware if you go with one of the stable trees. *I* have never installed it but a couple of friends have. |
| 22:11.30 | MickMcMack | The blender executable is statically linked, by the way. I forgot, so ldd just says it isn't dynamically linked. |
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| 22:12.49 | jel | MickMcMack: if they have a 64bit binary, it'll perform better (especially for opengl) |
| 22:12.51 | streuner | phorce1: so /j #ubuntu and help there |
| 22:12.59 | jel | MickMcMack: or compile it. |
| 22:13.03 | enouf | Dante123: to do this right see : http://www.debian.org/doc/ and for the Etch installer go here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:13.19 | MickMcMack | jel: I'm not worried about performance at the moment over getting non-apt binaries to work. |
| 22:13.40 | MickMcMack | There is a 64bit blender package in apt, but I wanted to see if a non-apt one would work. |
| 22:13.48 | jel | MickMcMack: are you still having other troubles? |
| 22:14.08 | MickMcMack | The only trouble I'm really having is not being able to run non-apt programs. \o/ |
| 22:14.45 | jel | I thought you said they worked after you did the link? |
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| 22:16.39 | Silent_Chaos`5D | hello, I've been advised not to start my teamspeak server as root for security reasons. I'm planning on autostarting the server through init.d, how might I start the server as a user in my init script? |
| 22:17.10 | phorce1 | streuner: He asked about a distro to introduce his kids to Linux without "running them off". Debian can be a HARD jump for a newbie. I suggested an alternative that may lead them to Debian when they are more comfortable in the environment -- I did not suggest he continue to ask for help here with that distro. |
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| 22:17.34 | olleolleolle | I'm struggling to enable PHP5's "curl" module (php5-curl) for Apache2. Have enabled other modules just fine, but this one seems to work against me. The php.ini has an extension=curl.so line. Have restarted server. |
| 22:17.48 | Silent_Chaos`5D | phorce1, I recommend Ubuntu |
| 22:21.13 | jel | phorce1: edubuntu, maybe? |
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| 22:22.03 | olleolleolle | ..and I am on Sarge with backports. |
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| 22:22.04 | vith | is dnsmasq supposed to expire entries out of its cache according to their TTL? it's been sending a stale result for a domain for 8 hours, but if i query my upstream dns i get the new entry |
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| 22:22.05 | Dante123 | downloaded netinst image....where do I get mdsum info to check it |
| 22:22.05 | sanmarcos | is there a way to see the list of files of a package without installing it? |
| 22:22.25 | streuner | pdo |
| 22:22.25 | abrotman | olleolleolle: anything in the logs ? |
| 22:22.25 | vith | Dante123: usually in the same directory that the iso was in i think |
| 22:22.25 | abrotman | sanmarcos: packages.d.o |
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| 22:22.26 | abrotman | Dante123: same place you downloaded it |
| 22:22.32 | johnsu01 | Since the pin-handling was changed in bluez-utils, I've not been able to pair with my phone from my unstable system. The phone prompts for the computer's passcode, I enter it, but the connection fails. |
| 22:23.08 | olleolleolle | abrotman: Thanks for saying it. |
| 22:23.11 | johnsu01 | syslog shows: call_passkey_agent(): no agent registered |
| 22:23.17 | abrotman | olleolleolle: ? |
| 22:23.23 | lancel00t | what is the sources.list entry for security updates for sid? |
| 22:23.31 | olleolleolle | abrotman: "PHP: Error parsing /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini on line 862" |
| 22:23.38 | streuner | lancel00t: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:23.43 | sanmarcos | abrotman: isnt battlestar galactica awesome? |
| 22:23.53 | abrotman | olleolleolle: ah .. seems bad |
| 22:23.58 | abrotman | sanmarcos: don't watch it |
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| 22:24.12 | abrotman | lancel00t: there isn't one |
| 22:24.25 | sanmarcos | If I wanted to make a bunch of plugins, ftplugins, docs, templates, and so on made available for all user system wide, I would put them in /usr/share/vim/vim70, but that is version dependent, is there a way to make them version independent?, also how can I source that, say I want to use /usr/share/vim/vim70/plugin/python.vim with autocmd in my ~/.vimrc, is there a variable for accessing that path rather than typing it. Thank you |
| 22:24.27 | streuner | abrotman: do you have me on your ignore-list? |
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| 22:24.32 | MickMcMack | So no thoughts at all? x( |
| 22:24.43 | abrotman | streuner: no |
| 22:24.55 | streuner | abrotman: so why are you echo me? |
| 22:25.12 | streuner | :-) |
| 22:25.14 | jel | MickMcMack: see above |
| 22:25.24 | abrotman | streuner: i didn't |
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| 22:26.50 | MickMcMack | jel: I missed it if it was before the netsplit. |
| 22:27.02 | MickMcMack | [Or during, in fact.] |
| 22:27.57 | jel | I was asking... didn't you say that it was working, after making the link? |
| 22:28.43 | jel | sanmarcos: /etc/vimrc |
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| 22:29.53 | MickMcMack | jel: Yep, ldd worked - but not the actual programs I was trying to run |
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| 22:30.54 | jel | MickMcMack: you only have 64 bit libraries installed, I think. For 32-bit apps, you'll need 32 bit libs. So you'll need a compatibility package I guess. Ask in #debian-amd64 for details. |
| 22:31.52 | MickMcMack | Heh, I did - but the netsplit probably cut it all off. |
| 22:32.02 | MickMcMack | Thanks for your help though, jel. :3 |
| 22:32.14 | jel | MickMcMack: good luck with it :) |
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| 22:32.40 | DaveyB | How do i get an executable to be autorun from the command prompt without physically having to enter it's directory each time :D |
| 22:33.15 | odla | DaveyB: you could create a softlink to /usr/bin |
| 22:33.20 | jel | DaveyB: make a ~/bin directory, put your file in there, and then add that directory to the PATH variable |
| 22:34.06 | odla | how do i make a .deb from a .bz2 file? checkinstall? |
| 22:34.11 | jel | DaveyB: or, yes, install it in /usr/local/bin. Depends whether it's a script for personal use that you want to edit occasionally, or a system-wide program that you want to be secure from your account |
| 22:34.16 | abrotman | you can't really |
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| 22:34.25 | abrotman | checkinstall and stow will take care of source installs |
| 22:34.25 | jel | odla: yep |
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| 22:34.36 | odla | never heard of stow |
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| 22:34.46 | Kannix | Hi all |
| 22:34.47 | odla | checkinstall never seems to work for me though |
| 22:34.48 | ghenry | what's a good Command line password generator? strong, long ones. |
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| 22:35.21 | royalt | if i am adding a user manually with vipw and vigr, how do i make it's shadow entry? |
| 22:35.56 | jel | ghenry: pwgen should do |
| 22:36.00 | Dante123 | where are the md5sums for netinst......I don't see them on Debian site.....where I downloaded the iso |
| 22:36.04 | Miesco | I want to get a certain section of a HTML code, how would I do that, this is what I got: |
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| 22:36.16 | ghenry | thanks jel |
| 22:36.25 | Kannix | I get a "Track 1 has unknown length" error, when I try to blank a DVD-RW with "wodim" (the cdrecord replacement). I also cannot burn DVD-RW with K3B. Debian unstable. Any hints? |
| 22:37.05 | Miesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.10 | Miesco | Should that work? |
| 22:37.45 | phogg | OIn X, ctrl+alt+plus and minus are not cycling viewport size as expected. How do I fix it? |
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| 22:38.30 | phogg | Miesco: your variable names leave a lot to be desired |
| 22:38.32 | jel | phogg: they cycle resolutions. Probably, you don't have other resolutions defined in your X config file |
| 22:38.48 | Miesco | phogg: I did something wrong? |
| 22:38.50 | phogg | jelah, but I do |
| 22:38.59 | phogg | er, sorry, jel. See the above |
| 22:39.25 | phogg | Miesco: Dunno, I'm just being an ass, 'buf1' is not very descriptive. |
| 22:39.35 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
| 22:39.45 | jel | phogg: and you've done it before, right? You know it's the numeric keypad's plus and minus keys? |
| 22:40.00 | odla | it's definitely way better to build a package from source than to install a ubuntu package on sid right? |
| 22:40.15 | jel | odla: not if it works :) |
| 22:40.26 | phogg | jel: yes. I restored my Xorg config from a dead system's backup onto a new set of hardware and it does not work. It did before. |
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| 22:41.04 | phogg | jel: could be a different version of X has a different default, or some non-xorg.conf file which I overlooked has a setting for it. Or sometihng. I don't know. |
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| 22:41.40 | phogg | jel: before you ask... same video card, same monitor. |
| 22:41.47 | abrotman | odla: yes |
| 22:42.12 | Lamperi | :E |
| 22:42.44 | abrotman | i wish there were an emo-finger |
| 22:42.52 | abrotman | erm .. emoti-finger |
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| 22:44.10 | Kannix | Ok, does anyone know how to get K3B to burn on a DVD-RW under Debian unstable using the "cdrkit" tools (wodim)? The cdrecord & co. have disappeared from the Debian project. |
| 22:44.30 | abrotman | i think you still need the dvdrwtools or whatever they're called |
| 22:44.45 | Kannix | abrotman: there is no such package. |
| 22:44.48 | jel | phogg: apparantly, it's a bug that was fixed in a recent update. |
| 22:44.56 | abrotman | Kannix: i know .. "or whatever they're called" |
| 22:45.05 | Firefishe | I am building 3.5.5 using Konstruct. I started out in my normal user's home directory, but had to su to root when I received a qmake error. I stayed logged in as root after this, and am completing my build (still in progress) from that point forward. I notice that there is a kde 3.5.5. directory in both my regular user folder *and* my /root folder. Is there anything wrong with this? |
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| 22:45.12 | phogg | jel: where did you find this? I have done a little searching with no good results. |
| 22:45.17 | jel | phogg: search for bug 391052 xorg |
| 22:45.17 | Firefishe | sheesh |
| 22:45.18 | Kannix | abrotman: there is nothing that starts with "dvdrw" |
| 22:45.20 | abrotman | !info dvd+rw-tools sid |
| 22:45.23 | Firefishe | that's *kde 3.5.5* |
| 22:45.25 | phogg | jel: many thanks |
| 22:45.29 | dpkg | dvd+rw-tools: (DVD+-RW/R tools), section utils, is optional. Version: 7.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 151 kB, Installed size: 424 kB |
| 22:45.35 | jel | phogg: np :) |
| 22:45.37 | abrotman | Kannix: i can't help you if you can't figure out how to use apt-cache search |
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| 22:45.52 | Kannix | abrotman: I have those dvd+rw tools installed. But there seems to be a fundamental difference between dvd-rw and dvd+rw. |
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| 22:46.08 | Kannix | abrotman: Because those tools have just fried one of my DVD-RW. |
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| 22:46.37 | abrotman | the drive or the disc ? |
| 22:46.38 | Kannix | abrotman: and before the disappearance of cdrecord, it worked just fine. |
| 22:47.22 | abrotman | you could ask #debian-kde |
| 22:47.25 | Kannix | abrotman: if you look at the manpage of wodim/cdrecord, you will notice that both "blanking" and writing on DVD media is supported. |
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| 22:47.38 | abrotman | okay. . but they don't work |
| 22:47.48 | Firefishe | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 22:47.56 | abrotman | and i don't think k3b uses wodim |
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| 22:48.13 | Kannix | abrotman: oh, and it is the disk, not the drive (at least I hope). |
| 22:48.33 | abrotman | oh .. it does use wodim |
| 22:48.37 | Kannix | abrotman: k3b uses wodim of course. What else should it use? cdrecord is gone. |
| 22:49.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:49.08 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 22:49.26 | abrotman | Kannix: i thought like any other good kde app .. they'd have rewritten the tool :) |
| 22:49.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: are you married? |
| 22:49.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're my son! |
| 22:50.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can't be here anymore when i get married |
| 22:50.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't see that being a problem |
| 22:50.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: neither do i |
| 22:50.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i won't be able to maintain packages anymore either |
| 22:50.55 | abrotman | oh well |
| 22:50.59 | abrotman | then don't get married |
| 22:51.04 | jel | tarzeau: what do you maintain? |
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| 22:51.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: if i put you in the maintainer field of my packages. will you maintain them? |
| 22:51.15 | Kannix | abrotman: Well, do you have any constructive hint how to burn a DVD-RW under Debian unstable? I do not care if it is K3B or command line or whatever, as long as I can backup my data. |
| 22:51.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: golly .. if only i liked gnustep :) |
| 22:51.18 | tarzeau | jel: only the top, and best software |
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| 22:51.36 | abrotman | Kannix: you can try just wodim .. maybe ask #debian-kde if there's an issue |
| 22:51.38 | jel | tarzeau: of course :) |
| 22:51.39 | confrey | hi wvwrybody |
| 22:51.59 | jel | hi confrey |
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| 22:52.37 | Kannix | abrotman: *sigh*, I just posted that "just wodim" results in errors when I try to blank: "Track 1 has unknown length." |
| 22:52.59 | confrey | I'm trying to connect my MPX200 to etch, by synce, can anybody heelp me? |
| 22:53.07 | Kannix | abrotman: so there is an issue. But not with KDE, it is a wodim issue. |
| 22:53.12 | abrotman | Kannix: i don't have a DVDRW nor use kde |
| 22:53.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: the point is that i do want to get married |
| 22:53.17 | abrotman | Kannix: then check the BTS |
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| 22:54.11 | jel | tarzeau: tell her that she has to maintain packages if you marry. Either way, it's a win-win situation ;) |
| 22:54.20 | Kannix | Is there anyone with a dvdrw and Debian unstable around who knows how to write on dvd-rw? |
| 22:54.31 | tarzeau | jel: she's got a mac |
| 22:54.51 | jel | Kannix: k3b works fine for me (kubuntu though) |
| 22:54.59 | jel | tarzeau: debian-ppc ;) |
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| 22:55.23 | Kannix | jel: Well, I bet Kubuntu is not using "wodim" instead to cdrecord. Can you check in your k3b setup really quick pls? |
| 22:56.07 | Kannix | jel: Look under "k3b setup - programs" in the cdrecord section. |
| 22:56.09 | jel | Kannix: I'm pretty sure it isn't. Never heard of wodim until you mentioned it. Evokes images of woe and darkness ;) |
| 22:56.29 | Kannix | jel: It just got kicked from debian because of license issues. |
| 22:56.42 | abrotman | no .. because joerg is a prick bastard |
| 22:57.29 | jel | Kannix: so can't you just install cdrecord and set programs? Or is wodim needed for a new kernel or something? |
| 22:57.33 | Kannix | abrotman: I just wish they would not have dropped it without a functioning replacement. |
| 22:57.45 | abrotman | Kannix: it's supposed to work |
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| 22:58.05 | Kannix | jel: I could manually install cdrecord, true. But that would mean leaving the path of the package management ... |
| 22:58.29 | jel | cdrecord and similar tools took ages to stabilise; seems crazy to replace them and adopt that replacement so soon. |
| 22:58.37 | jel | But hey, what do I know? :) |
| 22:58.41 | robin_sz | hmmm .. how can I find out the mac address thats assocaited with an IP address of a device on the network? is there some way to view the ARP cache on the locla machine? |
| 22:58.51 | nevyn | arp -a |
| 22:58.55 | Kannix | jel: It is "debian unstable" we are talking about, after all :) |
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| 22:58.57 | nevyn | arp -a|grep ipaddr |
| 22:58.58 | robin_sz | coo. ta. |
| 22:59.07 | abrotman | Kannix: i see two bugs in the bts related to wodim and dvdrw drives |
| 22:59.43 | jel | Kannix: still, they usually wait for a tech to start becoming widespread before moving other apps to using it etc. |
| 22:59.43 | abrotman | Kannix: have you even checked the BTS? |
| 23:00.18 | Kannix | abrotman: I am just reading it as we type |
| 23:00.29 | abrotman | on k3b or wodim or both ? |
| 23:00.37 | Kannix | abrotman: There seem to be more ppl having issues with blanking and DVD writing. |
| 23:00.46 | Kannix | abrotman: Wodim. |
| 23:00.55 | abrotman | !maint wodim |
| 23:01.00 | Kannix | abrotman: I tried using wodim from command line and it puked all over me. |
| 23:01.03 | dpkg | wodim: Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> |
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| 23:01.06 | Kannix | abrotman: so it is not a k3b issue. |
| 23:01.29 | abrotman | Kannix: i see many more k3b issues related to dvds .. have you tried *any* other tool for it ? |
| 23:01.33 | Kannix | jel: because of license issues they apparently where in a hurry. |
| 23:01.35 | DaveyB | thanks for the advise odla and jel worked a treat! |
| 23:01.40 | abrotman | btw .. that joerg is not a prick bastard .. i meant the other |
| 23:01.47 | jel | Kannix: aahh |
| 23:01.47 | Kannix | abrotman: Yes. plain bloody wodim! |
| 23:01.55 | Kannix | abrotman: and the dvd+rw tools. |
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| 23:02.50 | Kannix | abrotman: But I don't want to format a DVD-RW and use it with growisofs, I want to just do a plain backup. |
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| 23:03.25 | abrotman | you need to find someone who has a dvdrw .. i dont' have one |
| 23:04.31 | Kannix | abrotman: well, jel has one. But he also has kubuntu, not Debian *sigh* |
| 23:04.46 | abrotman | Kannix: perhaps ask #debian on oftc |
| 23:05.24 | Kannix | abrotman: Now I wish I had not been too cheap, to include a plain dvd-rom additionally to my writer. Than I could just toss in a live-cd of ubuntu and backup my data. |
| 23:05.42 | abrotman | Kannix: i hate to pass you off .. but i jsut don't have a dvdrw .. not only that .. i haven't even tried to burn a disc since i got wodim |
| 23:05.45 | Kannix | abrotman: errm, what is "oftc"? |
| 23:05.57 | abrotman | Kannix: irc.oftc.net .. there's another #debian there |
| 23:06.03 | abrotman | not as large .. but large neough |
| 23:06.04 | abrotman | enough |
| 23:06.09 | Kannix | abrotman: No problem, I have to thank you for your patience :) |
| 23:06.32 | abrotman | Kannix: is there another front end for wodim? like eroaster or something ? |
| 23:07.37 | Kannix | abrotman: Well, it does not matter which frontend I use, if wodim via command line is not working, it won't work with any GUI you toss it, either. |
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| 23:08.32 | abrotman | Kannix: the bug could be listed in any of the frontends .. |
| 23:09.16 | telexicon | im trying to compile this os kernel and it seems that either gcc or ld is putting the strings at the front of the binary which is making the multiboot header not work... is there a way around this? |
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| 23:10.09 | abrotman | ack .. eroaster was orphaned i think |
| 23:10.10 | Kannix | abrotman: Why exactly is the cdrecord license not good enough for debian, if it even makes "one of the preferred licensed of the FSF"? |
| 23:10.41 | abrotman | Kannix: because the tard schilling mixed incompatible licenses and said there were compatible |
| 23:10.46 | abrotman | which is just part of the problme with him |
| 23:10.47 | abrotman | !cdrecord |
| 23:10.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, cdrecord is a CD writing tool (renamed cdrtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT |
| 23:10.50 | abrotman | !wodim |
| 23:10.53 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:10.57 | abrotman | let me see if i can find it |
| 23:11.28 | abrotman | !cdrkit |
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| 23:11.53 | abrotman | kannix: http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ |
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| 23:12.21 | Tortel | What could cause SCP to stop letting me logon? It has recently stopped letting me connect, and I dont know why |
| 23:12.53 | Kannix | abrotman: thanks! |
| 23:13.02 | abrotman | !wodim is http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ |
| 23:13.20 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 23:14.34 | jel | Tortel: different password, expired password, disabled login, pam misconfiguration, scp bug, sshd bug... try scp -v |
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| 23:17.32 | pumpkin0 | What is the equivalent to the windows-key on keyboard w/o windows-key ? |
| 23:17.43 | zinx | pump: there isn't one |
| 23:17.46 | odla | pumpkin0: sometimes they use the alt key |
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| 23:17.54 | birdfish | When downloading from torrents, which of the binary files do I need to install with? I could go with the netinst I realize, but why are there so many binaries (1-15)? |
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| 23:17.56 | abrotman | ctrl-esc works in windows |
| 23:18.19 | jel | pumpkin0: there isn't one. The windows key was specifically designed to be a new key different from others |
| 23:18.49 | jel | pumpkin0: but you can change the keyboard mapping to make another key do what that one does, or change your apps to expect another key instead of win |
| 23:19.05 | pumpkin0 | hmmm ... that´s bad. i need another keyboard or i have to understand gconf ... (no keys left, this is a laptop) |
| 23:19.23 | zinx | pumpkin0: 104/105 key keyboards have extra keys.. |
| 23:19.38 | jel | abrotman: not really, there are other combos like win-r that you can't emulate with ctrl-esc-r |
| 23:19.41 | zinx | pumpkin0: you can set left/right ctrl/alt to do different things |
| 23:19.43 | r121 | Anyone know of a good program to recover files from a FAT32 partition that Partition Magic messed up? |
| 23:19.54 | pumpkin0 | zinx: there isn´t even a printscreen-button on this thing... |
| 23:19.58 | odla | birdfish: because there are 15,000 packages in debian |
| 23:20.09 | zinx | pumpkin0: it doesn't have two ctrls and/or two alts? |
| 23:20.10 | telexicon | I am using gcc and ld but when i link my object files ld puts all my string literals at the very beginning of the file which causes them to not work anymore... is there a way to fix this? |
| 23:20.10 | abrotman | jel: i don't use that many .. i just meant to pop up the start menu |
| 23:20.12 | jel | pumpkin0: map it to caps-lock or something, if you REALLY need it |
| 23:20.43 | jel | pumpkin0: ohh, not, it's a modifier key. Map it to right-alt or something. |
| 23:21.25 | birdfish | odla: oh, so you're downloading all of them =) Wow, what a waste. NetInst it is |
| 23:21.26 | zinx | no, you can map stuff to capslock |
| 23:21.41 | odla | birdfish: yup :D |
| 23:21.48 | pumpkin0 | jel: can i use F6 ? |
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| 23:22.14 | jel | zinx: yeah, but you need a modifier key that you can hold down and press other keys with: one like shift, or alt |
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| 23:22.15 | johnsu01 | What's going on if dpkg/aptitude isn't installing the files in /etc/bluetooth after I purge and reinstall the package that contains them? |
| 23:22.21 | jel | pumpkin0: nope |
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| 23:22.32 | zinx | jel: you can do that with capslock |
| 23:22.40 | zinx | jel: i had mine mapped to Hyper at one point |
| 23:22.42 | Feax | I have installed apache, php3 and phpsysinfo but http://localhost/phpsysinfo send me a PHTML file, how can I fix this ? |
| 23:22.49 | jel | zinx: hmm... ok |
| 23:22.55 | abrotman | !tell johnsu01 about confmiss |
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| 23:23.09 | birdfish | odla: might I ask if you happen to administer a server with Debian? I was thinking of using it because I saw that it sets up exim4 for you at the very beginning. I was wondering if it also sets up the imap protocol and security stuff as well (and how hard something like that would be to set up) |
| 23:23.22 | johnsu01 | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:23.50 | abrotman | Feax: fix your apache config |
| 23:23.58 | jel | birdfish: debian is a good choice for servers |
| 23:24.07 | pumpkin0 | jel & all other: thanks |
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| 23:24.19 | jel | birdfish: especially if you use debian stable, with security patches |
| 23:24.41 | Feax | abrotman: apache works, I have webmin |
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| 23:24.57 | pinky | OKay so I'm in KDE at 1024x768 but the size of my desktop is at 1600x1200 (my normal resolution), and when I try and change the resolution via the KDE Control Center, it tells me that "Your X server does not support resizing and rotating the display. Please update to version 4.3 or greater. You need the X Resize and Rotate extension (RANDR) version 1.1 or greater to use this feature." |
| 23:25.00 | abrotman | oh good for you .. now fix apache |
| 23:25.08 | birdfish | jel: yep, that's what I've heard and am finally home to download and test an installation. I'm just wondering how hard it is to get exim4 up and running with the imap4 protocol and possibly tls/ssl. The mailserver is really my main concern as I'm able to set up the web server with ease now |
| 23:25.09 | odla | birdfish: i don't use debian as a server just as a desktop and i run sid so i'm not much help with the server stuff. i do know that folks love debian as a server |
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| 23:25.34 | k-man_ | i saw some program somewhere for gnome that puts an icon in the taskbar that indicates when updates are available |
| 23:25.38 | k-man_ | any idea what its called? |
| 23:25.48 | azeem | update-notifier |
| 23:25.54 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 23:26.02 | JordiGH | Uh-oh. Installation of grub during netinstall failed. "The grub package failed to install into /target/". Like, wtf? |
| 23:26.34 | JordiGH | I really hope this doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I'm using an etch netinstall from August. :-/ |
| 23:26.41 | jel | birdu: it''s pretty simple; just answer some questions if you're familiar with mailserver terminology. Postfix is even simpler, if you're worried. IMAP can be more complex, but dovecot is pretty nice. |
| 23:26.43 | odla | JordiGH: it happens...install lilo...then when install grub later |
| 23:27.04 | JordiGH | odla: I'm not sure the netinstall thingie gives me an option to install lilo. :-/ |
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| 23:27.33 | odla | JordiGH: it does when grub fails you can install lilo from the netinstall |
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| 23:27.50 | Caelum | JordiGH: you can boot the netinst cd in rescue mode, chroot to your debian installation, upgrade to a newer grub and hope it installs ok |
| 23:27.52 | odla | JordiGH: or if you have a live cd just use that to install grub |
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| 23:28.09 | Caelum | what's a live cd? |
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| 23:28.27 | JordiGH | Hm. I'll try using Knoppix later for installing grub, I guess. :-/ |
| 23:28.31 | birdfish | jel: hm, so perhaps bypassing the exim setup would be a positive step. But if I installed postfix then, would it replace exim4 automatically? |
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| 23:28.47 | Caelum | birdfish: yes |
| 23:28.50 | odla | Caelum: are you serious? |
| 23:29.08 | jel | birdfish: yep, debian knows what packages serve the same purpose, and will manage them all for you. |
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| 23:29.14 | Caelum | odla: is it like knoppix? Sorry, I've been living in a cave for the ast 3 years or so |
| 23:29.27 | odla | Caelum: yeah like knoppix...no worries |
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| 23:30.56 | jel | birdfish: security wise... makye sure you get the question about relaying right, and setup a firewall too. There's always more security you can do, but that alone would be pretty good |
| 23:31.04 | Caelum | jel: do you know if there's a sample exim config somewhere for a machine on a corporate network? I've tried the choices from debconf, but none of them work right... |
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| 23:32.10 | Caelum | jel: or will I have to read the enormous exim manual... |
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| 23:33.05 | JordiGH | Oy. Just booted with Lilo. Didn't give me an option to boot Windows. Girlfriend is panicking, heh. |
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| 23:33.16 | jel | Caelum: there's probably a big exim manual online, and there are books you can buy (if not download -- check out p2p networks etc ;) ) But it shouldn't be difficult for most setups... you usually just want to setup what the mailserver is known as, where it accepts mail from, and where it sends it. Other stuff like spam control and anti-virus gets harder, sbut read the docs for those packages |
| 23:33.23 | Caelum | JordiGH: haha, that's easy to add :) |
| 23:33.55 | kingsley | What are some simple gui tools for displaying images from webcams? |
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| 23:34.27 | jel | kingsley: apt-cache search webcam |
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| 23:35.37 | Caelum | jel: the problems I've been having were things like mail to user@machine-name getting sent to the smarthost instead of being delivered locally |
| 23:35.45 | Vane | HI |
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| 23:36.06 | Caelum | jel: I guess I'll play with the router configs |
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| 23:36.20 | jel | Caelum: no probs. run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, and add machine-name to the list of names it accepts mail for |
| 23:36.42 | Caelum | hmm |
| 23:36.46 | jel | Caelum: or is known as, even. I think that's how it puts the question. |
| 23:36.47 | Caelum | thanks :) |
| 23:38.09 | birdfish | jel: just got your message. regarding the relaying, I think I know about that. I'll set it to no relaying unless with smtp-auth (which I think it sets up automatically if I'm correct). And as far as the firewall goes, I've been using firehol on my current system (running ubuntu). Would that be a good option for a firewall on Debian as well? |
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| 23:40.02 | cozomo | I just installed debian etch, and I cant change my resolution to anything but 600X800 |
| 23:40.15 | kingsley | jel: Thanks. |
| 23:40.19 | cozomo | how would I go about changing it to 1280X1024? |
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| 23:40.33 | jel | birdfish: never used firehol. Personally, I like shorewall. But as long as it lets you default to blocking traffic in AND out, will let you open the stuff you need, is kept up to date with debian and new kernel features, and runs on startup, as opposed to when you log in to a desktop, then it should be fine. |
| 23:41.04 | jel | kingsley: np :) |
| 23:41.20 | jel | kingsley: what webcam do you have, btw? |
| 23:41.33 | JordiGH | That's so strange. I've never had problems before installing grub with the netinstall cd. I wonder what went wrong. |
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| 23:41.49 | odla | cozomo: 2 ways: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:41.53 | JordiGH | So, grub-install as root, right? |
| 23:42.05 | odla | JordiGH: grub-install <device> |
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| 23:42.42 | birdfish | jel: lol, damn. Just out of curiousity what's so bad about firehol? And also, I'll read up about shorewall, but is it pretty easy to set up? Or should I plan for many hours of reading? |
| 23:42.48 | jel | cozomo: add the resolution to a modes line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf Make sure the x server has a driver for your video card first though, or you'll be wasting your time. Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:42.55 | JordiGH | odla: Device according to Linux (/dev/hdawhatever) or according to grub (hd#,#) ? |
| 23:43.08 | odla | JordiGH: the former /dev/hda |
| 23:43.52 | JordiGH | odla: Thanks. I'll do that in a sec. :-) |
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| 23:44.06 | odla | JordiGH: np |
| 23:44.31 | jel | birdfish: not bad; just hadn't used it. From the website, it sounds quite cool :) |
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| 23:44.51 | birdfish | Also guys, how much space should I think about allocating to the root partition under debian? That is, I'd like to have enough room to install various packages and upgrades as well as run the mailserver and webserver. |
| 23:45.10 | odla | birdfish: probably 4 or 5 gb is plenty |
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| 23:45.16 | dondelelcaro | birdfish: depends on what other partitions you ahve |
| 23:45.20 | JordiGH | odla: And, uh, device with number or without? Without, right? I want it to install to the mbr. |
| 23:45.22 | birdfish | jel: oh, I thought you were telling me not to ever run for sake of my machine blowing up and causing an eternal space time continuum =P |
| 23:45.31 | dondelelcaro | most of my machines have around 1G for / |
| 23:45.48 | odla | JordiGH: yeah without |
| 23:46.14 | birdfish | I'm thinking something like / swap /usr /var /home and possibly /tmp |
| 23:46.29 | birdfish | I have two 80 gig sata harddrives in the machine currently |
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| 23:46.47 | yonkeltron | is there a default way to create and deploy system images with debian? |
| 23:47.01 | birdfish | Programs are installed into the /usr partition, correct? |
| 23:47.19 | Stevie-O | typically |
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| 23:47.55 | cozomo | alright, after I did dpkg-reconfigure what should I do, restart X? |
| 23:48.11 | Sero | hey guys. My sendmail doesn't really work as expected. Any mail posted with the mail command / sendmail or mail() from php does not reach the recipient. The requests are logged in the exim4 log. However, I can telnet localhost on port 25 and send a message manually. does anyone have a clue to what this might be? |
| 23:48.15 | jel | yonkeltron: no default, I think, just options. Although, some options are pretty standard... extracting a tarball, chrooting to it, and then running lilo to install a bootblock, for instance... |
| 23:48.55 | yonkeltron | jel: hmmm...i just need an easy way to replicate an install to multiple machines |
| 23:49.32 | jel | yonkeltron: there are linux livecds for that sort of thing, and debian has packages for network image installs, etc. |
| 23:49.33 | birdfish | Okay guys, thanks for the help! Probably won't hear from me for a while as I'm about to kill the only machine connecting me to the internet :D |
| 23:49.42 | birdfish | I'll let you all know how it goes later tonight |
| 23:49.49 | jel | birdfish: good luck :) |
| 23:49.50 | yonkeltron | jel: i'm fine with either option really... |
| 23:49.56 | birdfish | jel: thanks bud! |
| 23:50.01 | lancel00t | when i start my x server it fails and tells me it can not find font 'fixed' does anyone know how to overcome this? |
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| 23:50.42 | jel | lancel00t: apt-get install xfonts-base, if I recall correctly xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, and xfonts-scalable are also a good idea |
| 23:50.56 | yonkeltron | jel: basically i have some machines that i'm going to cluster using openmosix |
| 23:50.57 | lancel00t | jel: thank you much |
| 23:51.22 | yonkeltron | jel: i just want to save myself from having to install each machine separately.. |
| 23:51.28 | JordiGH | I wonder if I should lecture my girlfriend on choosing her cat's name for the root password and sharing this information with me. |
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| 23:51.44 | jel | yonkeltron: ohh. I would have thought that there'd be mosix installers already set with quick installs for slave machines? |
| 23:52.01 | JordiGH | Then again, if I gave her a root password like dR$7a3AS and asked her to memorise it without writing it down, she'd probably smack me. :P |
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| 23:52.21 | yonkeltron | jel: there might be. but i would like to learn |
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| 23:53.53 | anabain | does anybody know a good tutorial on how to set up a printing server if the printer is available through ethernet? (it's the printer of the university department, and I want to use it with my debian box) |
| 23:54.53 | jel | anabain: just go into cups, add a printer, set it as a tcp or ip (or network, or whatever it's called) printer, and give the ip address. |
| 23:55.35 | anabain | ok, but I also need the ppd, needn't I? |
| 23:56.00 | yonkeltron | jel: systemimager...know it any? |
| 23:56.26 | jel | anabain: it should have driver options listed, but you can handle that I'm sure :) |
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| 23:56.44 | anabain | ok, thanx very much, jel |
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| 23:57.13 | jel | yonkeltron: partimage, perhaps? |
| 23:57.13 | yonkeltron | hmmm |
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| 23:58.00 | Tortel | seriously, does anyone know why SPC would refuse my connection? It was working last week, and now it doesnt like me |
| 23:58.20 | jel | Tortel: scp -v |
| 23:58.31 | JordiGH | anabin: Is it a windows printer? Samba and CUPS (aptitude install it) working together are pretty easy to set up in my experience. Use localhost:631 in a web browser to set up CUPS. |
| 23:58.35 | Tortel | jel: im on windows now, and im using winspc3 |
| 23:58.42 | JordiGH | anabain: You'll need to know some stuff about the printer. |
| 23:58.51 | Tortel | jel: so im not sure how to do that |
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| 23:58.57 | jel | Tortel: I think putty has a command line version |
| 23:59.13 | JordiGH | Later dudes. |
| 23:59.17 | anabain | JordiGH, what do you mean with windows printer? |
| 23:59.19 | birdfish | Heh, okay, didn't work out so well. Just to make sure, I can run the i386 version on an AMD Athlon x64, right? |
| 23:59.27 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:59.32 | jel | Tortel: if not, install cygwin, or just check it from a linux box when you can |
| 23:59.40 | birdfish | Hm, my keyboard doesn't respond once the installer starts up |
| 23:59.51 | birdfish | I'm downloading the torrent again and am going to try once more |
| 23:59.56 | anabain | oh, JordiGH has gone, :( |