| 00:00.11 | jel | Tortel: although you could look for a logging/debugging option in winscp |
| 00:00.19 | anabain | does anybody know what did he meant with 'windows printer'? |
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| 00:00.39 | cozomo | I configured my xorg.conf to allow 1280X1024 however it doesnt find my monitor. I gave it the right refresh rates but it still returns no screens found |
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| 00:01.39 | jel | cozomo: read the log in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what errors there are |
| 00:02.09 | anabain | in other words, can I use a LAN printer directly if it has an embedded printing server? |
| 00:02.29 | anabain | directly=from linux using cups |
| 00:02.33 | jel | anabain: yes, you can, it'll be easy :) |
| 00:03.03 | anabain | jel, then what did JordiGH mean with 'windows printer'? |
| 00:03.06 | jel | anabain: I don't know of any network printers that are windows printers. Hopefully that won't be an issue. |
| 00:03.12 | anabain | ok |
| 00:03.18 | anabain | :) |
| 00:03.29 | DaveyB | Guys I am trying to install WoW on my Debian ETCH linux box. I downloaded the installer of the net and installed WoW, I then download cvscedega tried to run WoW.exe and my PC locks up and it doesn't progress any further. Does anyone know if it makes a difference wether I d/l install over getting the CD's? |
| 00:03.32 | jel | anabain: if it was though... it would mean it's very hard to find drivers for non-windows platforms |
| 00:03.50 | anabain | sure |
| 00:04.23 | cozomo | it was unable to find a framebuffer device... RADEON says no valid modes found and finaly: screens found but none have a valid configuration |
| 00:05.21 | jel | cozomo: look a bit further up, and see why it's rejecting the 1280x1024 mode. Look for every occurence of that resolution, because sometimes there are different ones, with different rejections |
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| 00:06.58 | jel | cozomo: did it actually say something about not finding a framebuffer device? |
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| 00:08.15 | cozomo | jel yes |
| 00:08.32 | cozomo | said it failed to open one |
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| 00:09.14 | JordiGH | Hm. The grub-install script didn't create a menu.lst file. How can I check that grub is indeed installed to the right mbr? |
| 00:09.29 | jel | cozomo: OK... I'm not sure if that's just because no modes were found, or if it's talking about the linux framebuffer. Make sure there's no Option "UseFBDev" line in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf |
| 00:09.40 | jel | anyways, gotta go. Good luck. |
| 00:10.01 | Skiver | cozomo: you have fglrx installed ? |
| 00:10.20 | Seb | is xgl in experimental, or not yet ? |
| 00:10.33 | cozomo | what is fglrx? |
| 00:10.39 | Seb | JordiGH: update-grub will create this file |
| 00:11.13 | JordiGH | Seb: Thanks. Hm. Lemme see if it found Windows. Wow, the grub maintainers really need help. :-/ |
| 00:11.29 | Seb | JordiGH: how so ? |
| 00:11.38 | JordiGH | No, no Windows. :-( |
| 00:11.42 | streuner | Seb: http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 00:11.44 | JordiGH | Ah, well. That's easy enough to fix. |
| 00:11.49 | cozomo | jel I have UseFBDev in my conf |
| 00:11.57 | cozomo | should I change true to fale then? |
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| 00:12.14 | Seb | streuner: thanks |
| 00:12.15 | JordiGH | Seb: The grub maintainers have been asking for help for several months now in the mailing lists. Grub is exceedingly buggy. |
| 00:12.35 | streuner | Seb: see 'gravitys' blog for more details about |
| 00:12.37 | JordiGH | Seb: I shouldn't have to manually hunt around for the right entry for the Windows boot parameters. |
| 00:12.41 | Seb | JordiGH: it's unfortunately a bit too low=level for me to provide any decent help :\ |
| 00:12.48 | Seb | streuner: ok, cool |
| 00:12.49 | jel | cozomo: you could try that, but if you don't have fglrx installed, that'll probably get you further. They're the actual ATI drivers. |
| 00:13.00 | streuner | Seb: the wiki just reflects what gravity thinks about |
| 00:13.09 | JordiGH | Seb: I think that's it. It's out of the reach of most contributors. Hence, grub still needs help. |
| 00:13.38 | Seb | streuner: hmmm, got a link for that blog ? Google returns way too many results... |
| 00:13.56 | cozomo | alright jel I did that, and it takes it down to two errors |
| 00:14.01 | JordiGH | Er, can someone point me to an example Debian menu.lst file that has an entry for booting Windows XP? |
| 00:14.09 | cozomo | it not finding any valid modes, and finding screens with no valid modes |
| 00:14.13 | Seb | JordiGH: you mean other than google ? :) |
| 00:14.21 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.13 | Skiver | !tell cozomo about fglrx |
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| 00:15.22 | JordiGH | Seb: First google hit for "menu.lst windows boot" takes me to the BTS for a bug on how grub removes the Windows entry! :D |
| 00:15.40 | streuner | Seb: http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/ |
| 00:15.51 | Seb | JordiGH: heh |
| 00:15.55 | Seb | streuner: thank you very much |
| 00:16.08 | streuner | np |
| 00:16.13 | JordiGH | Although to be fair, it's Ubuntu's, not Debian's BTS. They inherited the bug from us, though. |
| 00:16.26 | itchi | JordiGH: Wait, gona pastebing it |
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| 00:17.06 | Skiver | cozomo, the highest resolution you can get with "ati" driver that shipped with xorg, is 1024x768. |
| 00:17.21 | ruben | Hi one question, WAN interface is the same as 'public ip ? |
| 00:17.23 | itchi | JordiGH: Here http://pastebin.ca/228304 |
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| 00:17.42 | JordiGH | Thankee, itchi. :-) |
| 00:17.55 | itchi | JordiGH: ;-) |
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| 00:18.11 | cozomo | Skiver my computadora couldnt find the packages dpkg listed |
| 00:18.42 | Skiver | !computadora |
| 00:18.51 | Skiver | what is that ? |
| 00:19.17 | JordiGH | kom-pew-tor. |
| 00:19.24 | cozomo | KONPYUTA DESU |
| 00:19.42 | JordiGH | computadora := box. |
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| 00:19.50 | cozomo | en espanol |
| 00:21.03 | Skiver | u use apt-get? |
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| 00:21.10 | JordiGH | No, not espanol. EspaƱol. |
| 00:21.21 | cozomo | thanks JordiGH |
| 00:21.27 | Blastur | how can I limit the number of SSH tries a certain IP may attempt per .. hour or minute ? |
| 00:21.51 | Blastur | someone is trying to hack my debian box, using multiple ips and bruteforce |
| 00:22.01 | Blastur | they have been trying since october the 23th now |
| 00:22.09 | dondelelcaro | Blastur: install fail2ban |
| 00:22.13 | streuner | oh |
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| 00:23.22 | streuner | evil |
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| 00:24.13 | Blastur | funny thing is, they try random usernames too :) |
| 00:24.20 | Blastur | Oct 29 23:46:14 buddah sshd[16187]: Invalid user temp1 from 140.135.11.206 |
| 00:24.20 | Blastur | Oct 29 23:46:18 buddah sshd[16191]: Invalid user temp from 140.135.11.206 |
| 00:24.20 | Blastur | Oct 29 23:46:21 buddah sshd[16195]: Invalid user mysql from 140.135.11.206 |
| 00:24.20 | Blastur | Oct 29 23:46:25 buddah sshd[16199]: Invalid user mysql from 140.135.11.206 |
| 00:24.20 | Blastur | Oct 29 23:46:29 buddah sshd[16203]: Invalid user mysql from 140.135.11.206 |
| 00:24.20 | Blastur | Oct 29 23:46:32 buddah sshd[16207]: Invalid user bella from 140.135.11.206 |
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| 00:24.43 | Blastur | ooops |
| 00:24.45 | streuner | dondelelcaro: /whois dondelelcaro |
| 00:25.01 | streuner | Blastur: in some channels it would be a ban reason |
| 00:25.04 | prolific | Is there a reason why I would not be able to delete all of the system-installed partitions on my vfat usb flashdrive and put ext3 on there? |
| 00:25.15 | streuner | Blastur: (autoconnect after kick) |
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| 00:25.51 | Feax | I have installed apache, php3 and phpsysinfo but http://localhost/phpsysinfo send me a PHTML file, how can I fix this ? |
| 00:26.58 | itchi | faljse: You need the php module. But php3?? |
| 00:27.04 | jelly-home | Blastur: http://olivier.sessink.nl/publications/blacklisting/index.html |
| 00:27.24 | itchi | oeps |
| 00:27.27 | Feax | itchi: finnaly it is php4, installed by phpsysinfo |
| 00:27.30 | itchi | Feax: IT was to you |
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| 00:27.47 | Feax | yes itchi |
| 00:28.01 | Feax | so itchi it is PHP4, phpsysinfo installed it himself |
| 00:28.06 | sanmarcos | !alioth |
| 00:28.06 | dpkg | alioth is, like, http://alioth.debian.org, or debian's sourceforge server. see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200303/msg00024.html, or irc://irc.oftc.net/#alioth |
| 00:28.25 | itchi | Feax: Do an search on 'mod-php' |
| 00:28.57 | Feax | itchi: libapache-mod-php4 ? |
| 00:29.28 | itchi | Feax: dpkg -l libapache-mod-php4 to see if it's installed or not |
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| 00:29.30 | Rug | I like to use ps -A |md5sum to generate passwords for my boxes, is there someway I can limit/hack the output to say 10 characters? |
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| 00:30.14 | itchi | Feax: Got you 'ii' just before the libapache ... word? |
| 00:30.19 | streuner | dondelelcaro: that's the reason why i never used it, because it prolly forget that ;-) |
| 00:30.28 | cozomo | Skiver I used apt-get and i just upgraded and updated, but it cant find the package fglrx-driver |
| 00:30.37 | streuner | s/it/i/ |
| 00:30.40 | Feax | yes itchi |
| 00:31.00 | itchi | Feax: Restart apache |
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| 00:31.26 | Feax | itchi: done |
| 00:31.57 | Feax | itchi: /phpsysinfo give me a PHTML file.. |
| 00:32.24 | JordiGH | prolific: No, there shouldn't be a reason. Although ext2 is probably better for a usb flashdrive. You don't want too much writing going on in there like a journal would do. |
| 00:33.25 | row | Rug: install pwgen |
| 00:33.39 | Rug | row: yeah, I don't like pwgen... |
| 00:33.50 | row | Rug: why not its great? |
| 00:34.13 | JordiGH | Hm. The MIT Debian mirror is giving me attitude with its gpg key. Why would that be? Is it my fault or theirs? |
| 00:34.49 | itchi | Feax: Sure php is been installed? |
| 00:34.58 | JordiGH | I'm talking specifically about http://debian.lcs.mit.edu. |
| 00:34.59 | streuner | it depends which error you got |
| 00:35.03 | row | Rug: well you could use sed I suppose |
| 00:35.08 | Rug | row: it does not give me enough randomness |
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| 00:35.18 | widrone | JordiGH: Would you say the difference is big? Im just curious since I run ext3 on a couple of usb sticks myself. |
| 00:35.22 | Rug | row: yeah I think I'll try that\ |
| 00:35.27 | row | Rug: er you need to check the settings, it can be VERY random |
| 00:35.41 | JordiGH | widrone: You'll run down your usb pendrive faster with a journalled system. |
| 00:35.42 | Feax | itchi: yes |
| 00:35.48 | row | Rug: G)4z?OYc!@ C[t(8KJIn\ e9M[=zC|'( OLu8]n@WkL 2?g|L_]b\9 |
| 00:35.56 | JordiGH | W: GPG error: http://debian.lcs.mit.edu testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 00:35.58 | row | Rug: thats just 5 10 char random passwords |
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| 00:36.37 | JordiGH | widrone: But to be honest, I've never used a flash drive so much that it becomes unusuable. I usually either mutilate them or lose them first. :-) |
| 00:37.03 | widrone | JordiGH: I know it wll wear out faster, I was just wondering if you had any "numbers" on how much faster, but I realise that is a longshot. (Would depend too much on the realworld usage I guess) |
| 00:37.56 | cozomo | Where can I find the package fglrx-driver? |
| 00:37.56 | cozomo | for etch |
| 00:37.56 | Feax | !info fglrx-driver |
| 00:37.59 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (display driver for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.28.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7374 kB, Installed size: 21996 kB |
| 00:38.00 | JordiGH | Ooh, aptitude is really picky about installing unsigned packages. |
| 00:38.01 | itchi | Feax: Do 'dpkg -l libapache-mod-php4 php4 php4-common' and look been that there is an 'ii' before each package |
| 00:38.21 | Feax | yes itchi |
| 00:38.35 | widrone | Im guessing jffs2 or something would be the way to go anyway, if I had the sanity of the flash to care for. =) |
| 00:38.37 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to get vsftpd to follow symlinks instead of returning them to the ftp client as links? |
| 00:39.02 | SerajewelKS | i want to link a file into a directory, but it's above the ftp root |
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| 00:39.09 | itchi | Feax: Strange, maybe stop apache and then restart it?? |
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| 00:39.40 | Feax | itchi: same error |
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| 00:39.50 | cozomo | Feax Where would I download it from? |
| 00:39.57 | itchi | Feax: I remember a time that i had need to completely stop it and start it again, i not more know the trouble exactlry with it. But i remember that apache not directly wanted to see it |
| 00:40.01 | JordiGH | Ack. What's up? Aptitude still thinks that the key is bad. |
| 00:40.18 | streuner | JordiGH: tried apt-get? |
| 00:40.29 | itchi | cozomo: Running Sarge? |
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| 00:41.30 | streuner | JordiGH: if apt-get fails too, its time to write a mail |
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| 00:41.40 | johnsu01 | Is anybody using bluetooth in unstable now who is not using gnome? It seems the only packaged passkey utility is for gnome now... |
| 00:41.42 | itchi | cozomo: Have you already try /msg dpkg fglrx ? |
| 00:41.45 | SerajewelKS | i don't want to do a bind mount because this kind of config doesn't belong in fstab |
| 00:41.47 | cozomo | itchi: negative, etch. |
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| 00:42.02 | itchi | johnsu01: Fluxbox here |
| 00:42.03 | JordiGH | streuner: Yes. :-/ |
| 00:42.12 | Feax- | re itchi, I did that, same error PHTML file |
| 00:42.15 | JordiGH | apt-get update just gave me the wrong key too. :-/ |
| 00:42.27 | itchi | Feax: hhhmmm |
| 00:42.30 | johnsu01 | itchi: Were you already paired with the device with older versions of bluez-utils? |
| 00:42.39 | widrone | johnsu01: I got a unstable with some bluetooth stuff in it. Cant remember having tried to pair it with something yet thu. |
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| 00:42.45 | johnsu01 | itchi: in other words, have you paired with a new device recently? |
| 00:42.52 | JordiGH | Can someone confirms? Is http://debian.lcs.mit.edu 's gpg key bad? |
| 00:42.55 | itchi | johnsu01: nope :-/ |
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| 00:43.09 | itchi | JordiGH: How can we confirm it? |
| 00:43.19 | itchi | JordiGH: Making use of apt-proxy here |
| 00:43.23 | streuner | itchi: by using the same mirror? |
| 00:43.29 | johnsu01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.31 | JordiGH | itchi: There's probably a smarter way, but put it in your sources.list file, apt-get update, and see if that gives you errors. |
| 00:43.34 | itchi | streuner: yup, right ;-) |
| 00:43.43 | SerajewelKS | argh |
| 00:43.45 | widrone | johnsu01: What about the bluez-pin package? |
| 00:43.47 | Feax- | itchi: how can i do :s |
| 00:44.02 | streuner | other people make mistakes too, even its MIT |
| 00:44.23 | SerajewelKS | i can't use apache2 because the file is over 2g. i can't use vsftpd because it doesn't follow symlinks. and i can't use samba because this xp box is screwed up with netware. |
| 00:44.30 | JordiGH | I can't even trust the grub-bootsplash-images package, can I? They could sneak in stuff in there too. :-/ |
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| 00:44.55 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: tar | nc ! |
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| 00:45.14 | johnsu01 | widrone: trying it out.. no docs and no man page :/ |
| 00:45.19 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: not really an option when the client is windows =) |
| 00:45.25 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: (assuming cygwin or mingw is installed) |
| 00:45.35 | itchi | JordiGH: He not complain here |
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| 00:46.08 | widrone | johnsu01: Im installing it too and having a look at it, feel free to share the happenings.. |
| 00:46.13 | JordiGH | itchi: Alright. Then something is wrong on my side. Strange. |
| 00:46.15 | itchi | Feax-: dunno |
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| 00:46.30 | SerajewelKS | still there's no reason why apache2 should *not* support files over 2g |
| 00:46.30 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: maybe putty's pscp can deal with >2GB files |
| 00:46.41 | johnsu01 | widrone: I'm also unnerved by the fact that the bluez-utils docs now say that pairing from the console "is not supported" ?! |
| 00:46.50 | streuner | !nuke JordiGH |
| 00:46.54 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: i want to be able to do this with a minimum of fuss for windows users |
| 00:46.54 | streuner | haha |
| 00:47.15 | abrotman | filezilla ? |
| 00:47.27 | itchi | SerajewelKS: Is it not limited with your FS? |
| 00:47.44 | JordiGH | Ack. The 2006 key dpkg factoid didn't help me. I wonder, why can't I verify MIT's signature? |
| 00:47.47 | widrone | johnsu01: Im getting "unmet dependencies" here too, have to look into that too. |
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| 00:48.17 | SerajewelKS | itchi: no, apache returns 403 and there's a line in the error.log about the file size being larger than the defined data type |
| 00:48.24 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: then do bind mounts |
| 00:48.30 | streuner | JordiGH: visit there website, they should have the key |
| 00:48.44 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: fstab is no place for FTP configuration =/ |
| 00:49.52 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: hey, do you want it to work or do you want it clean? :-) |
| 00:49.56 | streuner | itchi: did you use something special? |
| 00:50.16 | Tortel | where is the iptables configuration file located? |
| 00:50.23 | yonkeltron | are there openmosix packages in sarge? |
| 00:50.23 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: both |
| 00:50.23 | itchi | JordiGH & streuner : I added just the line to the source.list and did an apt-get update. No more |
| 00:50.31 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: also you could use a custom init script to do mount --bind stuff instead of fstab. |
| 00:50.34 | streuner | hm |
| 00:50.43 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: if apache wasn't so dumb it could be clean *and* work |
| 00:50.44 | itchi | Tell if it's enought |
| 00:50.44 | JordiGH | itchi: Not sure if it matters, but are you using it for testing? |
| 00:50.54 | itchi | JordiGH: Yes, etch here |
| 00:51.11 | JordiGH | itchi: no, not etch. Testing. I didn't get the error with etch either, but I'm getting it with testing. |
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| 00:51.21 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: tried 2.2? I think there were fixes for largefiles... |
| 00:51.22 | JordiGH | http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/dists/testing/Release.gpg |
| 00:51.29 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: yes i'm using 2.2 |
| 00:51.29 | JordiGH | That's the key I can't verify, I think. |
| 00:51.35 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: this is on etch |
| 00:51.46 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: and still it doesn't work? Oh my. |
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| 00:52.07 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: a blog i read said that on debian, large file support is not present on anything but 64 bit arches |
| 00:52.24 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: qemu :-> |
| 00:52.27 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: if that's true than the apache2 debian docs are blatantly misleading |
| 00:52.33 | itchi | SerajewelKS: What mean you with large files? |
| 00:52.47 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: haha, serving 2g files with a vserver... right |
| 00:52.47 | itchi | SerajewelKS: Have some big files here +- 6 GB here |
| 00:52.48 | johnsu01 | widrone: also note this bug, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=382269 |
| 00:53.00 | JordiGH | How can I verify this gpg key? http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/dists/testing/Release.gpg |
| 00:53.02 | SerajewelKS | itchi: what architecture and version of apache? |
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| 00:53.26 | itchi | SerajewelKS: ow, sory, but these file are not used over apache, i have missed somethings i thinkg |
| 00:53.33 | johnsu01 | Is this path=/org/bluez/ supposed to be a real path on my system? |
| 00:53.37 | SerajewelKS | itchi: probably =) |
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| 00:53.55 | abrotman | apache can't do 2GB files |
| 00:54.15 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i know. the README.Debian in apache2-common says it can. |
| 00:54.46 | abrotman | are you serving it from a crappy FS ? |
| 00:54.47 | JordiGH | I thought Debian had patched Apache. |
| 00:54.52 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no |
| 00:55.15 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: well i mean FAT32.. but that supports up to 4g |
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| 00:55.45 | abrotman | does the file show as more than 2GB on the FS ? |
| 00:56.07 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: uhm, if it didn't, apache would be serving it fine |
| 00:56.33 | abrotman | make up your mind .. can apache serve >2GB files or not ? |
| 00:56.33 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: 2906842624 bytes according to ls |
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| 00:56.42 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no, it can't |
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| 00:56.55 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: dpkg -l apache* .. paste it |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | or rather .. apache2* |
| 00:57.12 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: but the package maintainer seems pretty insistant that it can, despite numerous bug reports |
| 00:57.13 | JordiGH | Hm. There are two MIT mirrors. I'm going to try the other one. |
| 00:57.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: iU apache2 2.2.3-2 Next generation, scalable, extendable web server |
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| 00:58.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: did you want the others too? |
| 00:58.04 | abrotman | wtf is U ? |
| 00:58.09 | abrotman | yes .. i said i wanted them all |
| 00:58.26 | ari | hey, having a bit of a problem with my chroot...i have debian sid installed on amd64 and then have a 32 bit chroot...for some reason most programs in the chroot can't seem to resolve hostnames |
| 00:58.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: good question... |
| 00:58.39 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: oh i'm running a dist-upgrade right now |
| 00:58.44 | ari | anyone have any ideas? ping in teh chroot works, apt-get / firefox don't |
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| 00:58.49 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: okay .. so what ? |
| 00:59.07 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: U probably means marked for upgrade |
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| 00:59.27 | abrotman | maybe .. |
| 00:59.39 | abrotman | oh .. it's Unpacked |
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| 01:00.16 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 01:00.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'll wait to paste till it's done |
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| 01:00.36 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 01:00.42 | JordiGH | Hm. lyre.mit.edu didn't give me errors. |
| 01:00.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/228360 |
| 01:01.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's done with everything that matters |
| 01:01.42 | JordiGH | Ooh, I even like aptitude's search function better than apt-cache! :D |
| 01:01.55 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: i don't |
| 01:02.05 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: why is there apache2-common and apache2.2-common ? |
| 01:02.15 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Go back to using a magnetic pen to write to your hard drive, pops. ;-) |
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| 01:02.40 | Wyzard | abrotman: apache2-common is for apache 2.0... it's removed in favor of apache2.2-common |
| 01:02.40 | nevyn | JordiGH: I like the package subselection stuff |
| 01:02.41 | sjr | How can I determine if my system has PC133 or PC100 RAM in it? |
| 01:02.44 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: wait do you mean 'aptitude search' or the / search facility? |
| 01:02.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: i undersetand .. his is rc |
| 01:02.53 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: aptitude search |
| 01:02.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: don't know |
| 01:03.05 | zinx | sjr: hope to god the ram has some sort of identifying marks on it |
| 01:03.06 | JordiGH | nevyn: What's not to like about aptitude? :-) |
| 01:03.07 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: oh, that is a little better i guess |
| 01:03.15 | nevyn | JordiGH: oh. it's even shinyer than that if you use it's ui |
| 01:03.20 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: the UI search method is kinda crappy |
| 01:03.20 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: did apache2-doc get to ii yet ? |
| 01:03.22 | sjr | zinx no there is a way in linux but I can't remember |
| 01:03.26 | zinx | sjr: maybe see if the BIOS knows, though generally it does not |
| 01:03.29 | JordiGH | nevyn: I'm a bit lazy for the ui. I know what I want and I know how to type it. |
| 01:03.30 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yes |
| 01:03.30 | zinx | sjr: No there isn't. |
| 01:03.33 | nevyn | you can filter the display of packages using l |
| 01:04.01 | sjr | zinx your telling me utilities in Windows can do this but Linux can't |
| 01:04.12 | nevyn | so for example if you wanted a networking dodad you could do l networking then search within that list for dodad |
| 01:04.13 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: has the readme changed ? |
| 01:04.15 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the U is the only thing that changed |
| 01:04.16 | zinx | sjr: Windows utilities only tell you what the ram is running at |
| 01:04.17 | widrone | johnsu01: Seems like the newest package is fixed in that regard according to the bug report you posted. |
| 01:04.20 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: let me check |
| 01:04.24 | zinx | sjr: They don't tell you what the ram *IS* |
| 01:04.38 | sjr | well thats what I mean |
| 01:04.40 | widrone | johnsu01: The bluez-utils package that is. |
| 01:04.45 | johnsu01 | widrone: yep, though nobody on the bug confirms it, and I'm using the newest package |
| 01:05.19 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that readme is gone entirely |
| 01:05.19 | sjr | I just need to know if its running with PC133 oer PC100 |
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| 01:05.24 | ari | anyone have any ideas why some programs in a chroot would not be able to resolve hosts while the rest of my normal computer can? |
| 01:05.29 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: so what size file will it serve now ? :) |
| 01:05.42 | sjr | ari in chroot do you have a resolv.conf file? |
| 01:05.54 | widrone | johnsu01: /usr/share/doc/bluez-utils/README.Debian.gz in the pin section, it unsupported but a workaround there. |
| 01:05.55 | ari | sjr: yeah it is mounted from the real root |
| 01:06.03 | johnsu01 | widrone: and the part where filippo says "the /etc/bluetooth/passkeys thing is gone" is what concerns me -- I think this has been replaced by a mechanism that requires gnome |
| 01:06.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i dunno but this file is transferring now =) |
| 01:06.08 | ari | the weird thing is the chroot used to work fine, then i rebooted for something and it stopped working |
| 01:06.19 | sjr | hmmm not sure don't toy with chroot very much |
| 01:06.29 | Bushmills | sjr, you may be able to read your DRAM specs with some i2c modules |
| 01:06.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: this is what happens when i don't dist-upgrade for a week. everything breaks. |
| 01:06.32 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: okay .. well then |
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| 01:06.57 | widrone | johnsu01: Yeah, but he does provide a hack in the readme... I may try it out even if I wont be pairing anything really. |
| 01:06.57 | ari | sjr: what if we assume it doesn't have to do specifically with being a chroot...what types of things should i be looking at to figure out why it can't resolve hosts? |
| 01:07.06 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: people complain about testing breaking when they upgrade. on my system if i don't dist-upgrade, everything goes to shit. =) |
| 01:07.17 | JordiGH | Er, I forget. What's the entry in menu.lst for a bootsplash xpm.gz image? |
| 01:07.28 | johnsu01 | widrone: the "not supported" console hack you mean? or the .c code in examples |
| 01:07.29 | Bushmills | sjr DRAM usually contains serial presence detect memory, containing its specs, readable throufh i2c |
| 01:07.39 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you probably had half 2.0 and half 2.2 |
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| 01:07.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: maybe, when did 2.2 move to testing? |
| 01:07.59 | widrone | johnsu01: The console hack. |
| 01:08.03 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: a few days ago |
| 01:08.07 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i know that apache2 was 2.2 |
| 01:08.15 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: -common may have been 2.0 |
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| 01:08.28 | abrotman | perhaps .. but as long as it works .. be happy .. go drink beer! |
| 01:08.37 | n3kl | can someone tell me what is wrong with this line.... |
| 01:08.40 | n3kl | for z in "$(awk '{ for (i=1; i<=NF; i++) if ($i ~ /@/) print $i}' $z | tr -s [:upper:] [:lower:] | sed -e 's/\[2\]//g;s/mailto\://g;s/email://g' | tr -d '()'| uniq )"; do ent=$(expr $ent + 1);echo "$ent|$rec|\"Email\"|\"$z\""; done |
| 01:08.41 | odla | i want a beer |
| 01:08.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: or work on my research paper =( |
| 01:08.54 | abrotman | dork |
| 01:09.00 | widrone | !beer odla |
| 01:09.02 | odla | he he |
| 01:09.22 | johnsu01 | widrone: There isn't any pincodes file in /var/lib/bluetooth/<my_device/ |
| 01:09.25 | Bushmills | odla: be my guest: http://photo.verhau.de/drink/beer.jpg |
| 01:09.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah well... i also like to have other people pay for my school instead of me |
| 01:09.31 | johnsu01 | widrone: Guess I'll make one and see what happens |
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| 01:09.53 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: perhaps .. |
| 01:10.13 | MikePer | hello. I'm trying to install debian-hppa on a C3600 but it stops while booting after the initial installation |
| 01:10.16 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: granted it is my money, but it's my money after it's gone through the IRS =) |
| 01:10.37 | JordiGH | n3kl: Are you trolling? |
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| 01:10.40 | abrotman | MikePer: is that a supported system ? |
| 01:10.48 | widrone | johnsu01: I got a dir named after the mac address on the bt dongle in the machine. With contents! =) |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | n3kl: ask #bash |
| 01:11.07 | SerajewelKS | n3kl: yes, i think it's that you're using awk |
| 01:11.10 | johnsu01 | widrone: Yes, that I have. But no pincodes file there, is there? |
| 01:11.14 | Danny | just upgraded my etch , now have no fonts anywhere on gnome, help |
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| 01:11.30 | odla | damn it's -8 out and we got a few inches of snow |
| 01:11.32 | odla | i hate edmonton |
| 01:11.34 | n3kl | JordiGH: huh? just looking for some help |
| 01:11.45 | SerajewelKS | oh, x.org 7.1 moved to etch |
| 01:12.01 | abrotman | a few days ago |
| 01:12.05 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
| 01:12.06 | Bushmills | n3kl: shorten it. instead of ent=$(expr $ent + 1) you can say ((ent++)) |
| 01:12.08 | JordiGH | n3kl: What is that program supposed to do, what is it doing? |
| 01:12.16 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i told you i haven't dist-upgraded in a while =) |
| 01:12.46 | SerajewelKS | so this means that my refresh rate is going to drop from 75 to 55 again |
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| 01:12.55 | widrone | johnsu01: Nope, but I cacn try to echo some stuff in there and see if I can pair with some devicecs. |
| 01:13.01 | odla | abrotman: what version of gnome is in etch? 2.14? |
| 01:13.12 | SerajewelKS | i don't know what they changed in x.org but it kills my refresh rate |
| 01:13.18 | SerajewelKS | odla: yes |
| 01:13.33 | abrotman | odla: i think |
| 01:13.36 | SerajewelKS | odla: for some reason, even though 2.16 has been out for some time |
| 01:14.15 | Danny | anyone? how to get my fonts back or go back, none of my menus have any text |
| 01:14.29 | SerajewelKS | almost 2 months |
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| 01:14.36 | MikePer | abrotman, I think so. "the B/C/J class machines (eg B132L, Tadpole B160L laptop, C180L, C200, C3000, J5000) systems are supported" |
| 01:14.41 | SerajewelKS | Danny: did you restart X? |
| 01:14.41 | johnsu01 | widrone: I've installed the bluez-passkey-gnome package, and I'm running bt-applet in the background, which seems to do something good (syslog shows a passkey manager registered) |
| 01:14.56 | SerajewelKS | Danny: maybe you're hitting the font-move issue |
| 01:15.27 | abrotman | MikePer: honestly .. not many people come in here with parisc boxen .. you might have been luck on the mailing list .. |
| 01:15.27 | johnsu01 | widrone: But even after manually creating a pincodes file with <device address> <pin>, it just hangs when I try to pair |
| 01:15.27 | abrotman | MikePer: which installer ? |
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| 01:15.36 | Danny | SerajeweKS: not restarted x but restarted pc several times |
| 01:15.45 | johnsu01 | widrone: it hangs on "Calling PasskeyAgent.Request: name=:1.15, path=/org/bluez/applet" in syslog |
| 01:16.02 | Danny | SerajewelKS: the font move issue? |
| 01:16.08 | SerajewelKS | Danny: any odd messages in your X.org.0 log? |
| 01:16.15 | MikePer | abrotman, the default 3.1 stable distribution |
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| 01:16.50 | abrotman | MikePer: did you try both kernels on that CD ? |
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| 01:17.20 | MikePer | abrotman, I see that there is no support for the Visulaize-FX, but that shouldn't be a problem for text mode, should it? |
| 01:17.21 | Danny | SerajewelKS: where is the log? |
| 01:17.33 | abrotman | MikePer: not that i'm aware |
| 01:17.40 | SerajewelKS | Danny: /var/log ... how long have you been using linux? =) |
| 01:17.41 | MikePer | abrotman, no, I stayed with the 32-bit kernel |
| 01:17.50 | abrotman | MikePer: no . i meant 2.4 and/or 2.6 |
| 01:18.00 | Danny | SerajewelKS: not long, a couple of months |
| 01:18.10 | SerajewelKS | Danny: ah okay |
| 01:18.20 | SerajewelKS | Danny: if it was like a year i'd flame you =) |
| 01:18.41 | MikePer | abrotman, no. it boots a 2.6.8 kernel. perhaps I should try a newer one |
| 01:19.31 | MikePer | abrotman, I just don't know how I can do that :) |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | MikePer: i'm not sure there is one .. perhaps ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:19.53 | Danny | SerajewelKS: thats ok, ive got on my firesuit |
| 01:20.05 | n3kl | Bushmills: if I want to increment, is it ((bla++)) or (($bla++)) ?? |
| 01:20.19 | Bushmills | ((bla++)) |
| 01:20.35 | Bushmills | simple enough to test, though |
| 01:20.56 | MikePer | abrotman, I know that there are newer kernels in the repository, I had to use 2.6.14 for my 712 |
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| 01:21.47 | abrotman | MikePer: there is the newer installers for etch |
| 01:22.13 | jetscreamer | pass |
| 01:22.35 | MikePer | abrotman, I hoped that I can stay with the stable distribution |
| 01:22.54 | abrotman | MikePer: workstation or server ? |
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| 01:23.19 | Tortel | how can I enable sftp access to a debian system? |
| 01:23.23 | MikePer | abrotman, C3600 is a workstation |
| 01:24.08 | Danny | SerajewelKS: Have a few references to missing fonts and path removed, sounds like the font is missing? how to change to font I do have? |
| 01:24.09 | dendrite | Tortel: In etch it's enabled by default with ssh, I believe. |
| 01:24.19 | abrotman | MikePer: ask the guys on #debian-boot on OFTC .. see if they might know or have some ideas about stuff you can try |
| 01:24.35 | MikePer | abrotman, thanks, will do |
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| 01:25.03 | Bushmills | Tortel: make sure there is a line Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:25.52 | widrone | johnsu01: Thanks for the info, seem to remember ending up with my own helper script last time I was pondering this. But that is long gone now. |
| 01:26.17 | johnsu01 | widrone: yeah, I had a helper script too, but there is no longer a way to specify that in hcid.conf |
| 01:26.41 | johnsu01 | widrone: this all strikes me as a real mess. I've been using bluetooth with debian with no problem for almost two years.. :( |
| 01:27.28 | wmhtet | when I try to run make for this package http://www.benzedrine.cx/icbirc.tar.gz I got 'Makefile:9: *** missing separator. Stop.' error. how can i fix that issue? i know that it's easy fix for you guys but i am a bit clueless, thx for the help. this is the package i m trying to run make, it's a very small package http://www.benzedrine.cx/icbirc.html |
| 01:27.46 | Danny | anyone tell me how to check or change the font for my gnome desktop. I cant do it through the gui since I dont have any text in my windows |
| 01:27.46 | Tortel | Bushmills: would you happen to know why the connection attempt would time out? on the moniter of the system (Its next to me), it is showing the information of the system im tring to use to connect |
| 01:28.08 | Bushmills | Tortel: sshd doesn't run, or is firewalled |
| 01:28.40 | Bushmills | oh. "info of sys trying to connect..." |
| 01:28.42 | Tortel | Bushmills: how can I check if its firewalled? |
| 01:28.48 | Tortel | yeah |
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| 01:28.54 | roberx23 | hi |
| 01:29.09 | roberx23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.14 | Bushmills | Tortel: can you ssh to the box? |
| 01:29.32 | Tortel | Bushmills: I dont know, im tring to connect with a windows machine |
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| 01:29.42 | roberx23 | i lost the password |
| 01:29.47 | Bushmills | Tortel: putty.exe for windows |
| 01:30.22 | abrotman | !info putty sarge |
| 01:30.31 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.58-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 01:30.35 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 01:30.46 | DaveyB | !prize him |
| 01:30.51 | DaveyB | :0 |
| 01:31.07 | Tortel | Bushmills: nope, it times out |
| 01:31.18 | Danny | Help, no fonts in my gnome desktop |
| 01:31.32 | Bushmills | Tortel: well, get ssh running, then sftp should work too |
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| 01:31.54 | Tortel | Bushmills: it seems that all connections that I try (scp, ssh, sftp) time out |
| 01:32.00 | Tortel | only http works |
| 01:32.13 | abrotman | Danny: any errors ? |
| 01:32.17 | dendrite | Tortel: What flavor of debian? |
| 01:32.20 | wireddd | anyone ever used one of those pda cell phones as an internet connection for a linux box? |
| 01:32.38 | Tortel | dendrite: sarge |
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| 01:32.55 | Danny | Yes, in the log file for x, two of the fonts cant be found, gives warnings and says editing font paths |
| 01:33.01 | Bushmills | wireddd: sort of |
| 01:33.07 | dendrite | Tortel: OK, have you done any work with iptables or any firewall packages on the server machine? |
| 01:33.08 | johnsu01 | wireddd: yes, though that's what I'm trying to fix now :) |
| 01:33.37 | wireddd | is there some kernel module that supports them? |
| 01:33.39 | Tortel | dendrite: no, I havent touched iptables or installed a firewall package |
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| 01:33.52 | johnsu01 | wireddd: I just use bluetooth and ppp |
| 01:33.57 | dendrite | Tortel: Then odds are it's not a firewall issue, if the machine is sitting next to you on the same subnet. |
| 01:34.12 | seb- | why debian defaults to orinico for prism cards if wlang-ng FAR BETTER? |
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| 01:34.40 | dendrite | Tortel: "iptables -L -nv" should show INPUT, FORWARD and OUTPUT tables with default policy of ACCEPT, and no rules. |
| 01:34.42 | Tortel | dendrite: it shows the incoming request on the moniter when I try and connect |
| 01:34.43 | wireddd | Johnsu01, I don't have bluetooth, so I am going to have to use usb |
| 01:34.50 | n3kl | How can I setup vim highlighting in etch? |
| 01:34.55 | Danny | abrotman: warnings regarding missing fonts and removing them from the path. How do I change the font gnome is looking for |
| 01:35.03 | krazykit | hrm. is there an easy way to dump a manifest of everything installed on one system so i can use the list to install on another? |
| 01:35.08 | abrotman | so fix them |
| 01:35.28 | n3kl | Danny: change the lines in xorg.conf or xfree86.conf |
| 01:35.28 | widrone | johnsu01: Indded a mess for the Xless crowd, I agree. |
| 01:35.31 | Bushmills | krazykit: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 01:35.58 | krazykit | Bushmills: cool, thanks |
| 01:36.23 | Bushmills | krazykit: you can input that list to --set-selections |
| 01:36.28 | Danny | n3kl: will try, thanks |
| 01:36.52 | krazykit | hm, but it can't tell what aptitude has marked as automatic or manual... |
| 01:36.52 | johnsu01 | widrone: Well, I can't even get it to work with the gnome passkey package |
| 01:37.28 | elboblives | d |
| 01:37.32 | seb- | abrotman: how tell debian to use hostap or wlang-ng for eth0 instead of orinoco? /etc/modules.conf? |
| 01:37.35 | widrone | johnsu01: Did you say the pin_helper stanza of hcid.conf is no good anymore? |
| 01:38.05 | johnsu01 | widrone: That seems to be the case to me. |
| 01:38.10 | Tortel | brb |
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| 01:39.38 | abrotman | seb-: blacklisting ? |
| 01:39.55 | seb- | abrotman: ? |
| 01:40.07 | krazykit | etch's installer doesn't /need/ to format a drive, does it? |
| 01:40.24 | widrone | johnsu01: What about the passkey option? "Default PIN for incomming connections". But that would be the wrong way would it not? =) |
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| 01:41.20 | johnsu01 | widrone: right, the remote PIN is the problem. I'm trying out the kdebluetooth package now.. |
| 01:41.28 | m1ke_l | i have stuff in a users desktop that the user cannot delete |
| 01:41.42 | m1ke_l | "where" is it so root can delete it? |
| 01:41.44 | seb- | abrotman: it appears everyone but me knows orinoco is flaky w/ prism cards but me |
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| 01:41.52 | m1ke_l | there is nothing in /home/user/.Trash |
| 01:41.55 | Bushmills | krazykit: doesn't have to |
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| 01:42.07 | m1ke_l | maybe i should be asking in gnome |
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| 01:42.10 | abrotman | seb-: works for me :) |
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| 01:42.13 | widrone | johnsu01: Could you workaround it by pairing once from the reverse and? And it would be stored for later use. |
| 01:42.40 | Bushmills | m1ke_l: ~/Desktop |
| 01:42.51 | m1ke_l | nope, but i found it...thanks. |
| 01:43.01 | m1ke_l | i guess each folder has its own .Trash in it |
| 01:43.13 | m1ke_l | weird...thanks |
| 01:43.28 | johnsu01 | widrone: Yes, except for the computer is not showing up as discoverable to the phone :/ |
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| 01:44.12 | JordiGH | Oops. |
| 01:44.21 | seb- | abrotman: it worked flawlessly in sarge but not in etch |
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| 01:44.44 | seb- | abrotman: i know you like sarge....when etch=stable and you do dist-upgrade you'll be screwed |
| 01:45.16 | JordiGH | vga=791 as a kernel parameter (re: splashy) gives me undefined mode number. :-( |
| 01:45.31 | seb- | abrotman: since that will happen in Dec...you've got about 60 days to enjoy your wifi before it goes black |
| 01:45.31 | abrotman | seb-: i'm on etch now .. works fine |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | it won't be Dec |
| 01:45.43 | seb- | abrotman: you got a prism card? |
| 01:45.58 | abrotman | 02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
| 01:46.11 | JordiGH | abrotman: I find your lack of faith disturbing. |
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| 01:47.03 | itchi | JordiGH: Your video card not support this mode |
| 01:47.06 | UstasW | Hi |
| 01:47.06 | psychonate | Would an hour and a half movie too long for SVCD (reasonable quality)? |
| 01:47.09 | schitzo | yo |
| 01:47.12 | seb- | abrotman: hey that is EXACTLY what i have |
| 01:47.12 | Jostein | hey |
| 01:47.14 | psychonate | s/too/ be too |
| 01:47.18 | JordiGH | itchi: So what I use instead? |
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| 01:47.37 | itchi | JordiGH: It's to get an higher resolution ^^. Remove it eventually |
| 01:47.53 | seb- | abrotman: got an ibm thinkpad t30 laptop? |
| 01:48.30 | abrotman | G40 |
| 01:48.48 | seb- | abrotman: well you got lucky |
| 01:48.51 | widrone | johnsu01: Ill eventually get to your headache too, Im going to try to get this little bastard to do gprs traffic with my phone. |
| 01:49.04 | JordiGH | itchi: What should I use for splashy? |
| 01:49.07 | UstasW | confidential |
| 01:49.08 | schitzo | good |
| 01:49.09 | seb- | abrotman:still might be good to file wlang-ng/hostap in back of your mind should orinoco ever let you down |
| 01:49.10 | Jostein | you tell me |
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| 01:50.00 | itchi | JordiGH: I not understand |
| 01:50.10 | JordiGH | !splashy |
| 01:50.11 | dpkg | it has been said that splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
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| 01:50.35 | JordiGH | itchi: I want to use splashy. splashy recommends vga=791, but that's an undefined mode. I don't know what else to try. |
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| 01:50.55 | itchi | JordiGH: You video card not support that mode it's looks |
| 01:51.01 | SPOPPO | Hello |
| 01:51.06 | itchi | s/You/Your/ |
| 01:51.07 | abrotman | seb-: no way! |
| 01:51.19 | JordiGH | itchi: I think it does! It's the one I'm using right now in X. |
| 01:51.55 | itchi | JordiGH: I dunno then |
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| 01:52.52 | itchi | JordiGH: So the error not prevent you to boot up into x? |
| 01:52.57 | jetscreamer | JordiGH: did you do hwinfo --framebuffer to find out what it does support? |
| 01:53.21 | zamaliphe | how can i list the onlin IPs on my network ? |
| 01:53.25 | itchi | JordiGH: Or you get an list choice where you need to define another mode? |
| 01:53.30 | SPOPPO | private |
| 01:53.33 | JordiGH | itchi: I get the list. |
| 01:53.43 | itchi | JordiGH: Okay |
| 01:53.46 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: In which package is hwinfo? |
| 01:53.53 | jetscreamer | it's in hwinfo |
| 01:54.01 | itchi | JordiGH: But looks like the card then not support that mode 791 i think |
| 01:54.21 | jetscreamer | it's not installed by default you have to apt-get it |
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| 01:54.52 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: aptitude, you mean. ;-) |
| 01:55.03 | DaveyB | When install something doing make install, how do i remove that file later as apt-get <name> doesn't work as it isn't a package |
| 01:55.04 | jetscreamer | well i really mean dselect :) |
| 01:55.25 | abrotman | DaveyB: make uninstall .. if you're lucky |
| 01:55.29 | jetscreamer | DaveyB: if it doesn't have a make uninstall target you get to do it by hand |
| 01:55.32 | jetscreamer | what he said |
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| 01:55.47 | DaveyB | jetscreamer, now that is shite |
| 01:55.55 | abrotman | you did it! |
| 01:55.58 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:56.04 | jetscreamer | usually it's in /usr/local anyway, isn't it |
| 01:56.05 | JordiGH | That's the one I want! |
| 01:56.18 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 01:56.20 | JordiGH | Isn't mode 0x0317 the same as 791? |
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| 01:56.29 | jetscreamer | no... maybe as to size |
| 01:56.35 | jetscreamer | i think the colors are different |
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| 01:56.38 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 01:56.44 | JordiGH | Well, let's try that one instead. |
| 01:56.47 | jetscreamer | like that might be 32bit |
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| 01:56.51 | jetscreamer | and the other16 |
| 01:57.07 | egeek | so i have apache2 and lighttpd both installed on my server... how do i disable apache2 from auto starting up at boot? |
| 01:57.13 | widrone | Buuhuu, package libhal1 is missing in my listed mirrors. No hwinfo for me. Strange thu, both .no and .se mirrors have it missing. |
| 01:57.17 | egeek | i would still like to have apache2 installed, just not run |
| 01:57.27 | sng | DaveyB: And just *how* do you think apt will be able to put random shit you install by hand in it's database? |
| 01:57.35 | jetscreamer | the easy not recommended way is chmod -x /etc/init.d/apachblah |
| 01:57.48 | Bushmills | egeek: man update-rc.d |
| 01:57.58 | jetscreamer | there's the harder recommended way |
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| 01:58.27 | vook | How do I change the password in gnome-screensaver without killing the x-session? Is it possible? |
| 01:58.29 | jetscreamer | or use something like rcconf |
| 01:58.33 | itchi | JordiGH: I no more remember about the mode numbers. With 791 You get an higher resolution in the console. Very usefull if you work some time without X. You have many more visual space |
| 01:58.41 | abrotman | update-rc.d is harder ? |
| 01:58.42 | jetscreamer | vook: there's a gnome password changer package |
| 01:59.03 | vook | jetscreamer: thanks! |
| 01:59.06 | jetscreamer | well it's a lot easier just to chmod something that read a doc, learn it, do it... |
| 01:59.23 | jetscreamer | s/that/than/ |
| 01:59.33 | jetscreamer | but like i said, the non-recommended way |
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| 02:00.07 | jetscreamer | vook: i can't swear it's in etch or stable though |
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| 02:00.39 | itchi | JordiGH: Googled and Use vga=ask for menu. |
| 02:00.39 | jetscreamer | vook: apt-cache search gnome |grep -i password |
| 02:01.05 | jetscreamer | but if you use ask you have to know what to answer when it asks... |
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| 02:03.01 | itchi | JordiGH: About hwinfo, have you found somethings? |
| 02:03.17 | JordiGH | itchi: I'm going to try what I found there. 0x0318. |
| 02:03.59 | JordiGH | This is strange. I switched mirrors and now aptitude wants to "downgrade" oo.o to slightly lower version numbers in unstable? |
| 02:04.14 | JordiGH | Did I install something from experimental, like, wtf? |
| 02:04.32 | egeek | im trying to force upgrade my kernel to the latest 2.6.18 but it says my current 2.6.8 has been kept back? how do i override it in dist-upgrade? -f doesn't seem to wor |
| 02:04.33 | egeek | work* |
| 02:06.46 | JordiGH | egeek: aptitude or apt-get? aptitude might offer solutions. |
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| 02:10.15 | yanmorin | does someone knows Rene Engelhard nickname on irc? |
| 02:11.01 | nvz | yanmorin: nope I only see Rene Herman :P |
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| 02:11.42 | abrotman | yanmorin: why ? |
| 02:11.45 | yanmorin | I have difficulty to compile OpenOffice.org on debian, and it seems that he made patch for ljawt |
| 02:11.51 | abrotman | compile ? |
| 02:12.01 | abrotman | how about .. apt-get install openoffice.org ? |
| 02:12.25 | yanmorin | yeah, I want to debug something |
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| 02:12.33 | Seb | abrotman: dude where's the cool factor in this ? ;) |
| 02:12.34 | abrotman | !source |
| 02:12.34 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 02:12.48 | yanmorin | openoffice.org need developers to patch a bug, but how to patch, if you can't compile it |
| 02:13.00 | abrotman | Seb: to hell with cool .. if you want cool .. you'd drive a vette and drink vodka tonics or some crap |
| 02:13.09 | Seb | yanmorin: what abrotman said |
| 02:13.18 | yanmorin | there is 70mo (gzipped) of patch in openoffice.org... |
| 02:13.23 | Seb | abrotman: I do all that. And I run gentoo too. |
| 02:13.37 | abrotman | Seb: sure |
| 02:13.40 | Seb | heh |
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| 02:13.50 | yanmorin | mo => MB |
| 02:13.58 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:14.45 | yanmorin | why is there so much patches? |
| 02:15.46 | JordiGH | There are many bugs in the castle. |
| 02:15.54 | yanmorin | but with method abrotman, how could I do a cvs diff ? |
| 02:16.13 | yanmorin | and how to compile only one section? |
| 02:17.13 | JordiGH | Can someone give me example mount options for fstab for an ntfs partition? |
| 02:18.07 | widrone | JordiGH: Im pretty sure the mount man page has them all. |
| 02:18.12 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 02:18.13 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 02:18.44 | widrone | But then again, abrotman is shooting from the hipps today so there you go! |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | !fish |
| 02:19.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
| 02:19.43 | JordiGH | file mask and directory mask? Nice. I'm gonna use that for mounting usb pendrives too! |
| 02:19.50 | JordiGH | Er, assuming that's possible. |
| 02:20.00 | zinx | i hate that saying |
| 02:20.19 | abrotman | zinx: the fishing one ? |
| 02:20.25 | zinx | teach a man to fish and he'll eat all the fish. teach a man to think for himself, then he might have a chance of feeding himself for the rest of his life |
| 02:20.27 | zinx | abrotman: exactly |
| 02:20.28 | JordiGH | Ack, which gid do I want? |
| 02:20.32 | abrotman | zinx: but it's true! |
| 02:20.39 | zinx | abrotman: see above |
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| 02:20.49 | itchi | Can we not configure Synaptic to make use of aptitude? |
| 02:20.53 | abrotman | zinx: which above ... the last 10,000 lines? :) |
| 02:21.22 | Kerr | give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day. |
| 02:21.29 | JordiGH | itchi: I don't think Synaptic uses apt-get at all. |
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| 02:21.35 | zinx | abrotman: the thing i said before 'exactly' |
| 02:21.48 | zinx | abrotman: and right after you said 'the fishing one ?' |
| 02:21.58 | itchi | JordiGH: Hhhm, that will be are good news then :-) |
| 02:22.54 | Bushmills | i looked at adept package manager recently, and must say, i like some aspects of it. like. integration of debtags, and using them to search/select packages |
| 02:23.07 | abrotman | zinx: he only has to know how to fish to eat the rest of his life :) |
| 02:23.23 | yanmorin | oh! I only did ln -s /usr/lib/gcj-4.1/libjawt.so . and it work.. |
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| 02:25.15 | Kerr | if you eat the 'rest of your life' would you die fat, or jsut die? |
| 02:25.43 | JordiGH | Crap. aptitude just removed OO.o. What kind of beef does it have with OO.o anyways? |
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| 02:26.16 | zinx | Kerr: i think the life force would poison you or something |
| 02:27.33 | widrone | The URL in the factoid about fish times out btw. |
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| 02:30.39 | abrotman | widrone: it is a dyndns thing .. maybe it's just not on ? |
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| 02:31.21 | abrotman | widrone: oh .. that's thomas_adam's page |
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| 02:33.02 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 02:33.17 | solemnwarning | How can I make the X server ignore input from USB keyboards? |
| 02:35.07 | Bushmills | abrotman: not dyndns fault. not 60 sec expiry, i.e set up as static address. server must be down, or provider cut the lines |
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| 02:35.35 | abrotman | Bushmills: probably down |
| 02:36.10 | odla | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 02:36.10 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 02:36.48 | odla | hey abrotman i figured out how set up knetworkmanager |
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| 02:36.57 | odla | as i know you care :) |
| 02:37.38 | abrotman | odla: you broke it! |
| 02:37.58 | odla | tis true |
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| 02:38.00 | odla | !break odla |
| 02:38.34 | odla | !break ubuntu |
| 02:39.20 | Bushmills | abrotman: how does one edit a factoid which is too old to delete and redo? |
| 02:39.31 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 02:39.36 | odla | Bushmills: tell dpkg to forget it? |
| 02:39.43 | Bushmills | bofh. first link is irrelevant now |
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| 02:40.44 | odla | abrotman: did tarzeau fix that game for you |
| 02:40.47 | odla | i mean package it |
| 02:41.03 | abrotman | Bushmills: fixed-ish |
| 02:41.08 | abrotman | odla: not yet |
| 02:41.35 | goingtomoonbrb | Ok, new question. I have windows drives mounted over the nework with samba, but it won't let any user other than root write to the drives, even after chmod -R 777 has been run on them. Any ideas? |
| 02:41.53 | abrotman | perm on the mount point ? |
| 02:42.02 | odla | abrotman: the bastard |
| 02:42.07 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 02:43.01 | odla | now did everyone fall back an hour? |
| 02:43.01 | goingtomoonbrb | abrotman: what? |
| 02:43.13 | abrotman | what are hte perms on the mount point |
| 02:43.43 | daeos | abrotman: In, ftp or gftp-text is there a way to delete recursive a folder that is not empty? |
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| 02:44.21 | abrotman | daeos: doubtful |
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| 02:44.53 | daeos | abrotman: i could not find anything in the help within ftp that would say that you could |
| 02:45.04 | abrotman | and i don't think you can |
| 02:45.10 | daeos | abrotman: do you know of a console based ftp client that will let me? |
| 02:45.19 | muxall | lo |
| 02:45.22 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:45.41 | Bushmills | daeos: try mc |
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| 02:46.10 | daeos | Bushmills: mc ? let me take a look at that then |
| 02:46.46 | Luigi_v | good night/morning |
| 02:46.55 | daeos | man... ftp.debian.org is rather slow right now |
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| 02:47.13 | Bushmills | daeos: when running, connect to ftp server with cd ftp://server.name |
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| 02:47.22 | lexton | has anyone gotten lighttpd to run on etch? |
| 02:47.29 | Bushmills | (assuming anonymous login) |
| 02:47.40 | daeos | o its a ftp connection that mounts ftp sites? |
| 02:47.41 | muxall | in non-user dir, when i choose action->open terminal here, what i get is konsole for root. why? |
| 02:48.26 | Bushmills | daeos: no. not mounting. but simulates a file system within mc |
| 02:48.40 | daeos | oh ok |
| 02:48.45 | Bushmills | is simply a console file manager |
| 02:48.46 | daeos | so i run mc as a service |
| 02:48.47 | muxall | in non-user dir, when i choose action->open terminal here, what i get is konsole for root. why? |
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| 02:48.55 | daeos | correct? |
| 02:49.03 | Bushmills | no |
| 02:49.06 | daeos | man! is like DOS SHELL! |
| 02:49.07 | dooglus | where can I find freenx pacakges for sid? dpkg's factoid gives dead links |
| 02:49.07 | daeos | lol |
| 02:49.18 | daeos | very nice! |
| 02:49.20 | abrotman | dooglus: ask #nx |
| 02:50.09 | Bushmills | pancakes? |
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| 02:50.27 | vook | hallaluya! I have seen the light. I was | | close to going with that other distro, the one that rhymes with flemgoo. whew! why? so I could "set it and forget it". that all I've got. thank you debian! |
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| 02:52.25 | brendonjt | hey there, all |
| 02:52.27 | dooglus | abrotman: thanks. you win 'first cookie of the day' |
| 02:52.48 | abrotman | yay? |
| 02:52.52 | odla | !cookie abrotman |
| 02:53.06 | dooglus | abrotman: correct. |
| 02:53.29 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:53.57 | odla | canadians are wacky |
| 02:54.49 | itchi | odla: Are you canadian maybe? |
| 02:55.05 | dooglus | at the risk of making a !qotd167 -esque mistake, do I need the linux-headers-* packages, or is it safe to remove them? |
| 02:55.21 | Ronin | itchi: they are, somewhere in alberta |
| 02:55.26 | abrotman | you may not need them |
| 02:55.31 | daeos | Bushmills: how would i include a username and password in it? like what you would type in firefox? username:pw@url ?? |
| 02:55.39 | dooglus | I don't compile modules or anything like that |
| 02:55.44 | Bushmills | daeos: cd ftp://user@server |
| 02:56.31 | odla | itchi: no but i am currenlty living in canada |
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| 02:57.19 | muxall | in non-user dir, when i choose action->open terminal here, what i get is konsole for root. why? could this be related to the kdesu bug? |
| 02:57.26 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 02:57.42 | daeos | Bushmills: thats going to be sloppy for me |
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| 02:58.10 | itchi | odla: I gona come to your house, you need to leave the door open so that i can look in your whole house to see if everythings are ok. Strange, it's allowed as long i not stole somethings. |
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| 02:58.43 | dooglus | daeos: lftp lets you "rm -r <directory>" |
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| 03:00.16 | dooglus | daeos: I've not used lftp much (I use Emacs for FTP'ing) but lftp looks like a pretty good command-line FTP client |
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| 03:06.02 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:06.02 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:09.21 | nvz | dont worry its just a pain/fever, anti-tissutive, antihistamine suppressant.. only possible alcohol interaction is liver damage from the alcohol and acetaminophen :P |
| 03:09.31 | xjkx | dpkg multmedia |
| 03:09.36 | odla | er |
| 03:09.43 | odla | xjkx: use !dpkg |
| 03:09.48 | xjkx | !dpkg multmedia |
| 03:09.51 | nvz | umm no |
| 03:09.53 | odla | oops I mean !multimedia |
| 03:09.55 | abrotman | msg the bot |
| 03:09.58 | odla | sorry i'm a liar |
| 03:09.58 | xjkx | !multimedia |
| 03:10.02 | abrotman | stop already |
| 03:10.06 | xjkx | liar ! lol :P |
| 03:10.10 | abrotman | !tell xjkx about debian-multimedia |
| 03:10.16 | odla | xjkx: yeah you problably should /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 03:10.17 | xjkx | =o |
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| 03:10.49 | xjkx | thanks |
| 03:11.10 | CrippsFX | okay ... I followed the directions on "/msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner" ... but after I do "modprobe ndiswrapper" I try to bring the interface up using iwconfig "iwconfig <iface> up" where for iface, I've tried eth1 and wlan0 (standard ndiswrapper wireless adapters) .... I get the error message "ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" ... does anyone have an idea of what I should try next? |
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| 03:11.49 | CrippsFX | er ... not iwconfig, ifconfig "ifconfig <iface> up" |
| 03:11.53 | odla | CrippsFX: what does iwconfig show you? |
| 03:12.07 | odla | CrippsFX: what is your device called with wireless capabilities? |
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| 03:12.24 | abrotman | CrippsFX: no eth# |
| 03:12.28 | CrippsFX | odla, iwconfig just shows me my wired connection, sit0 and lo |
| 03:12.37 | abrotman | or whatever you're trying to 'up' .. isn't there |
| 03:12.44 | jetscreamer | is whatever cold animal, akin to iceweasel, in sid yet? |
| 03:12.53 | odla | jetscreamer: negative |
| 03:12.57 | CrippsFX | abrotman, yeah, I know that ... I just need to find out what it's aliased to. |
| 03:12.57 | jetscreamer | thankee |
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| 03:13.03 | odla | just a firey fox |
| 03:13.16 | CrippsFX | odla, if I knew, I'd be connected by now ;) |
| 03:13.23 | abrotman | CrippsFX: dmesg ? |
| 03:13.23 | nvz | QUICK! throw some water on that thing before we get sued! |
| 03:13.36 | jetscreamer | oh it is iceweasel... icedove is thunderbird eh |
| 03:13.43 | odla | frozen bubble is so cool |
| 03:13.59 | daeos | dooglus: omg, farewell myspace ^_^ |
| 03:14.09 | daeos | oops sorry about the pointer |
| 03:14.16 | CrippsFX | abrotman, doesn't have an interface name, just tells me that the ndiswrapper module has been loaded :/ |
| 03:14.16 | jetscreamer | yeah somebody was crying their myspace page got hacked |
| 03:14.24 | nvz | heh |
| 03:14.26 | jetscreamer | is that a >1 thing ? |
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| 03:14.34 | CrippsFX | odla, sure is ... I played like 70 levels last night. |
| 03:15.02 | daeos | jetscreamer: yeah some hackers put a page that is a phishing page |
| 03:15.10 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 03:15.18 | abrotman | CrippsFX: you could also ask #ndiswrapper |
| 03:15.30 | CrippsFX | abrotman, I'll give that a shot. Thanks. |
| 03:17.34 | CrippsFX | man ... #ndiswrapper is dead. |
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| 03:19.00 | abrotman | CrippsFX: crack open a case of beer! |
| 03:19.37 | CrippsFX | abrotman, lol. I'm all out of beer :P |
| 03:20.52 | CrippsFX | ew. |
| 03:20.58 | CrippsFX | ;) |
| 03:20.58 | nvz | I should have gotten some food while I was out |
| 03:21.00 | daeos | abrotman: other than bmon what is a good bandwidth monitoring program? I need one that i can use to determine upload usage and also look at traffic on other servers |
| 03:21.04 | abrotman | nvz: was it busch ? |
| 03:21.10 | abrotman | daedalus_: for what ? |
| 03:21.11 | CrippsFX | yeah ... I'm a little short on groceries too. |
| 03:21.23 | nvz | abrotman: umm.. Coors maybe |
| 03:21.29 | abrotman | nvz: months won't matter :) |
| 03:21.34 | nvz | heh |
| 03:21.37 | CrippsFX | lol |
| 03:21.51 | CrippsFX | abrotman appears to hold coors in low esteem ;) |
| 03:22.05 | nvz | I made some noodles but I didnt like em |
| 03:22.05 | abrotman | i've had worse ... |
| 03:22.06 | daeos | abrotman: was the pointer to daedalus to me? |
| 03:22.10 | nvz | I guess its cause I am sick |
| 03:22.18 | abrotman | daeos: yes |
| 03:22.19 | nvz | either that or cant cook |
| 03:22.24 | abrotman | daedalus_: sorry .. misfire |
| 03:22.32 | CrippsFX | nvz, I would go with the second, if you're a bachelor :P |
| 03:22.36 | nvz | heh |
| 03:22.46 | jetscreamer | i was considering refried beans over noodles, earlier |
| 03:22.51 | abrotman | nvz: it was ramen ? |
| 03:22.54 | nvz | yeah |
| 03:23.02 | daeos | abrotman: to watch a server on my network to see how many people i can handle for a game server (an mmo) |
| 03:23.04 | abrotman | dude .. even a bachelor can make those |
| 03:23.07 | jetscreamer | i went with the ramen+lipton cupofsoup |
| 03:23.15 | abrotman | my ex-gf could make those .. and she could barely handle PB&J |
| 03:23.32 | nvz | abrotman: heh, I've been eating plain chicken nuggets for breakfast lunch and dinner ever since I got back from pittsburgh the other night |
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| 03:23.48 | CrippsFX | ramen noodles are great, even though they have absolutely no nutritional value whatsoever. |
| 03:23.55 | Jeyrad | Wheres the device node for partitions in the debian installer? |
| 03:23.57 | abrotman | nvz: you know .. they have .. other things at wal-mart |
| 03:24.22 | nvz | abrotman: yeah and the funny thing is, I was at wal-mart an hour ago and only bought alcohol |
| 03:24.25 | daeos | CrippsFX: only sodium |
| 03:24.43 | abrotman | nvz: see .. you've adapted to WV pretty well :) |
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| 03:25.03 | daeos | abrotman: did you catch my answer to your question? |
| 03:25.07 | nvz | abrotman: heh. yeah you cant just go to wal mart and buy alcohol in PA |
| 03:25.10 | Jeyrad | anyone? |
| 03:25.11 | abrotman | daeos: nerp :) |
| 03:25.25 | abrotman | daeos: i find .. jnettop to be .. interesting .. also .. look at ntop |
| 03:25.28 | htaccess | what is the recomended tool to turn off services at boot on sarge? |
| 03:25.33 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
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| 03:25.45 | htaccess | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:25.59 | abrotman | you're welcome |
| 03:26.06 | JordiGH | Aaahhh... all done. Girlfriend's lappy has Debian on it, and everything (except splashy) works bee-yoo-tee-full-ee! |
| 03:26.27 | abrotman | JordiGH: and your name is kristen now? |
| 03:26.37 | JordiGH | abrotman: Stop /whoising me. |
| 03:26.39 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | JordiGH: i don't have to ... |
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| 03:27.00 | chemaja | why do people get stinky on /whois |
| 03:27.17 | chemaja | i dont get it |
| 03:27.18 | JordiGH | abrotman: http://www.cimat.mx/~jordi/piccies/kris-and-me.jpg |
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| 03:28.25 | nvz | abrotman: I only clicked it once |
| 03:28.26 | JordiGH | widrone: Sorry, I'm taken. |
| 03:29.18 | abrotman | well .. maybe i'll get to see it in a few hours :) |
| 03:29.18 | daeos | abrotman: im scared to click since im at work |
| 03:29.36 | abrotman | daeos: you'll only get fired if kris is your boss |
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| 03:30.04 | nvz | abrotman: I dunno.. if I was him, and your boss, and you had a picture of my girlfriend.. |
| 03:30.19 | abrotman | nvz: unless the gf is the boss |
| 03:30.42 | abrotman | JordiGH: i think your server is toast :) |
| 03:30.48 | abrotman | daeos: find the app you needed ? |
| 03:31.10 | daeos | abrotman: reminds me of my wife playing a mmo and some 16 year old asks her for her picture and knows she married and trys to convince my mom who also plays to give him the picture |
| 03:31.20 | JordiGH | abrotman: works for me. |
| 03:31.23 | daeos | abrotman: that didn't see to be what i wanted |
| 03:31.36 | abrotman | daeos: your mom and your wife play a MMORPG ? |
| 03:31.41 | daeos | abrotman: im going to check ntop |
| 03:31.45 | daeos | abrotman: and my dad |
| 03:31.56 | daeos | abrotman: i got them hooked |
| 03:31.56 | abrotman | daeos: are you inbreeders ? |
| 03:31.59 | daeos | abrotman: no |
| 03:32.02 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:32.25 | daeos | abrotman: only steers and queers here in texas... luckly im wierd |
| 03:32.40 | nvz | isnt that the truth |
| 03:32.44 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'm beginning to get concerned. The server won't serve you? |
| 03:32.45 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's a routing issue or some crap |
| 03:32.51 | abrotman | JordiGH: nope .. it won't |
| 03:33.35 | JordiGH | abrotman: FWIW, that's the server from which I can't see teh interweb when I boot into Debian but from which that other OS does work. |
| 03:33.42 | JordiGH | I'm not on it right now. |
| 03:33.43 | nvz | you couldnt go anywhere without running into a steer or a queer in texas. I lived in a town full of dikes.. needless to say the population wasnt growing much in that area |
| 03:33.51 | nvz | well unless of course you count the cows |
| 03:33.53 | abrotman | JordiGH is skinnier than damog! |
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| 03:34.29 | JordiGH | damog? |
| 03:34.31 | JordiGH | skinny? |
| 03:34.45 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:35.13 | daeos | abrotman: the eyes in that pic were wierd |
| 03:35.17 | abrotman | oh .. damog is in here too |
| 03:35.28 | abrotman | daeos: it's better than the umbrella hat pic |
| 03:35.49 | JordiGH | daeos: I think I need to learn more gimp-fu for removing red eye. |
| 03:36.06 | htaccess | is there a sarge package for sun Java JDK these days? |
| 03:36.19 | abrotman | !tell htaccess about java-package |
| 03:36.38 | JordiGH | Brb. |
| 03:36.54 | abrotman | hey .. they changed the DST dates |
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| 03:38.25 | daeos | abrotman: i think i told you, i was making an mmorpg... here is a pic of the concept art we have ... just 1, and alpha is being released soon in the next few weeks. www.roguegames.net/concept/undead%20cave%20copy.jpg |
| 03:38.32 | JaZy84 | hey all i've installed the base system and that's it when i try to do something liek apt-get install g++-3.4 it complains about needing dependences how can i force them i only have cmd windo no x is installed |
| 03:38.35 | JaZy84 | or needed |
| 03:38.38 | JaZy84 | i just need the compiler |
| 03:38.46 | JaZy84 | so i can compile some of my programs |
| 03:38.58 | abrotman | !be JaZy84 |
| 03:39.02 | abrotman | !b-ee JaZy84 |
| 03:39.03 | widrone | Best pic of me on the internet has to be http://www.fotofil.no/Pictures/Images/BRU0142.JPG really, Im at the bottom of the heap of men. (Yes, its worksafe) =) |
| 03:39.06 | abrotman | !b-e JaZy84 |
| 03:39.06 | dpkg | JaZy84: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 03:39.08 | abrotman | last ttry! |
| 03:39.28 | abrotman | daeos: reminds me of Ico |
| 03:39.52 | talexb | OK, time for the Stupid (read: Debian newbie) question of the day: I installed Debian Sarge and don't know what it uses for a boot loader .. how do I find out? |
| 03:40.17 | talexb | My goal is to add memtest86 (as recommended by beardy) so I can do a system test. |
| 03:40.17 | abrotman | does /etc/lilo.conf exist .. and/or /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 03:40.20 | nvz | grub |
| 03:40.24 | JaZy84 | "pkg is not avalible but is refered to by another pkg |
| 03:40.25 | daeos | abrotman: its just a concept art, think of more like a mmorpg |
| 03:40.36 | odla | cool digikam 9.0beta :D |
| 03:40.43 | abrotman | JaZy84: you have no build-essential ? |
| 03:40.48 | nvz | you can still use lilo but if you dont specify it probably installed grub |
| 03:41.00 | JaZy84 | no |
| 03:41.06 | abrotman | JaZy84: do you have any http sources ? |
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| 03:41.08 | talexb | Aha .. /boot/grub directory exists, /etc/lilo.conf does not. |
| 03:41.15 | JaZy84 | there is only 2 things in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:41.15 | abrotman | talexb: then grub |
| 03:41.19 | daeos | abrotman: we are using the engine called "realm crafter" > http://www.realmcrafter.com |
| 03:41.22 | abrotman | JaZy84: and they would be ? |
| 03:41.26 | nvz | I'm kinda hungry.. I guess I should go to bed.. catch up on eating in the morning |
| 03:41.34 | abrotman | nvz: good thinking .. fat ass :) |
| 03:41.38 | talexb | abrotman, OK, thanks, now how do I add memtest86? |
| 03:41.45 | abrotman | nfc .. ask beardy :) |
| 03:41.53 | abrotman | or google |
| 03:42.12 | JaZy84 | deb http://security.debia.org stable/updates main contrib |
| 03:42.15 | JaZy84 | is the only one |
| 03:42.18 | JaZy84 | actually just 1 |
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| 03:42.28 | JaZy84 | is there a list of them that i can add |
| 03:42.34 | nvz | abrotman: I'm not fat, ffs .. stop projecting your insecurities on me :P |
| 03:42.49 | abrotman | add "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sarge main" |
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| 03:42.56 | abrotman | nvz: hehe :) |
| 03:42.57 | talexb | abrotman, :) OK, thanks. |
| 03:42.57 | nvz | I am like 5'11.5" 175lbs |
| 03:43.07 | abrotman | nvz: how do you fit through the door? |
| 03:43.18 | Jeyrad | can anyone tell me the debian installer /dev node? |
| 03:43.18 | JordiGH | I'm like 11". Hint, hint, nudge, nudge, say no more. |
| 03:43.27 | Jeyrad | like where the partitions are |
| 03:43.30 | dooglus | JaZy84: add something like: "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main" |
| 03:43.32 | nvz | abrotman: the door is like 36" and I am only like 15" |
| 03:43.39 | nvz | if that |
| 03:43.39 | JaZy84 | one sec lemme add |
| 03:43.47 | abrotman | nvz: you wish! |
| 03:44.04 | nvz | my waist is like 29 or 30 inches |
| 03:44.07 | nvz | around |
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| 03:44.16 | nvz | so it cant be more than 15 inches across |
| 03:44.40 | dooglus | JaZy84: for best results, use "deb http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian stable main" (where .cz is your country code) |
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| 03:45.01 | JaZy84 | updating |
| 03:45.03 | abrotman | he's .us .. which is why i gave him a .us source |
| 03:45.05 | JordiGH | What does the score in aptitude mean? |
| 03:45.24 | dooglus | abrotman: sorry, I didn't notice |
| 03:45.32 | JaZy84 | now i would try to build-essential? |
| 03:45.35 | JordiGH | negative means packages removed positive upgraded? |
| 03:45.37 | dooglus | I'm off to bed then - brain is failing :) |
| 03:45.37 | JaZy84 | before g++? |
| 03:45.38 | abrotman | did you run apt-get update ? |
| 03:45.44 | JaZy84 | it's running now |
| 03:45.44 | abrotman | JaZy84: try it agian .. yes |
| 03:46.02 | dooglus | JaZy84: build-essential is a package to install, not a command to run |
| 03:46.06 | JaZy84 | yes |
| 03:46.13 | JaZy84 | apt-get install pkg |
| 03:46.21 | dooglus | aye |
| 03:46.48 | dooglus | JordiGH: I think it's a measure of how happy aptitude is with the course of action it's proposing. |
| 03:46.59 | JaZy84 | it complains about unmet dependencies |
| 03:47.04 | JaZy84 | and says to try with -f |
| 03:47.10 | JaZy84 | and same problem |
| 03:47.10 | daeos | abrotman: is there a way to create a cron job to do updatedb every hour? |
| 03:47.15 | daeos | or every 30 mins? |
| 03:47.20 | JordiGH | dooglus: aptitude sometimes seems extremely happy to remove KDE and OO.o, in that case. |
| 03:47.24 | daeos | its annoying having to type that sucker in |
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| 03:47.35 | abrotman | daeos: sure .. but you probably don't want to |
| 03:47.52 | abrotman | daeos: you can put it in the root crontab to run every hour |
| 03:48.08 | daeos | abrotman: i see |
| 03:48.30 | dockane | is there a list with all of dpkg trigger texts? |
| 03:48.37 | abrotman | !your factoids |
| 03:48.37 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 03:48.49 | dockane | thx abrotman |
| 03:48.59 | abrotman | dockane: it's a mysql dump |
| 03:49.26 | dockane | ill make my way through it - somehow ;) |
| 03:49.30 | abrotman | ok |
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| 03:50.06 | JaZy84 | any other thoughts? |
| 03:50.15 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:50.15 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:51.00 | daeos | abrotman: got to love people with 1337 as their last 4 of their ssn |
| 03:51.18 | abrotman | daeos: wrong wrong wrong! |
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| 03:53.51 | daeos | abrotman: well, bummer, he isn't 1337 after all.... he's a dumbass |
| 03:53.58 | dockane | abrotman: sorry.. that just looks like a log |
| 03:54.00 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:54.04 | abrotman | dockane: no .. it' snot |
| 03:54.20 | daeos | abrotman: well thats one thing i CAN'T fix ...that silly cells won't show right on all browsers |
| 03:54.38 | abrotman | daeos: works fine on the first page |
| 03:54.43 | dockane | i am interested i all that dpkg hints to triggered topics |
| 03:54.53 | abrotman | dockane: get the last link .. i know what you want .. |
| 03:54.59 | abrotman | apt_dump_102906_080501.gz |
| 03:55.00 | abrotman | that |
| 03:55.06 | daeos | abrotman: I spent 2 hours one day trying to fix it |
| 03:55.16 | abrotman | works on the first page :) |
| 03:55.18 | JordiGH | Wtf... |
| 03:55.21 | JordiGH | !info libvtk5 |
| 03:55.27 | dpkg | libvtk5: (Visualization Toolkit - A high level 3D visualization library), section libs, is optional. Version: 5.0.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 7718 kB, Installed size: 25244 kB |
| 03:55.52 | JordiGH | That package doesn't exist in the lyre.mit.edu mirror. |
| 03:55.53 | JaZy84 | got it working |
| 03:55.56 | daeos | abrotman: i need to fix the link too... says forums and not forum |
| 03:56.00 | daeos | on one of the pages |
| 03:56.00 | JaZy84 | thanks again to all of you guys :) |
| 03:56.13 | abrotman | daeos: oh well .. not a big deal |
| 03:56.42 | Guerin | JordiGH: you lyre! |
| 03:57.02 | daeos | i need uninstall ntop |
| 03:57.07 | daeos | its killing my server performance |
| 03:57.13 | abrotman | jnettop is more fun to watch! |
| 03:57.26 | JordiGH | Guerin: Or my aptitude is severly confused. I changed from a Canadian mirror to this MIT mirror, and it looks like the archives are /radically/ different. |
| 03:58.02 | odla | JordiGH: use the oregon state one it's speedy |
| 03:58.49 | daeos | abrotman: running a p3 450 with 384 MB of ram is a bit iffy when running ram eaters |
| 03:58.53 | daeos | and cpue eaters |
| 03:59.00 | abrotman | daeos: doh! |
| 03:59.19 | abrotman | JordiGH: they don't all sync at the same time |
| 03:59.46 | JordiGH | abrotman: Is libvtk5 added like in the last day or so? |
| 03:59.48 | JordiGH | Was? |
| 04:00.00 | abrotman | dunno |
| 04:00.00 | talexb | Hah, got that P450 beat -- I have a P600 with 512M of RAM. |
| 04:00.23 | daeos | talexb: yeah but are you running a webserver , with forums and email?? |
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| 04:00.36 | widrone | JordiGH: Updated lately? |
| 04:00.38 | daeos | talexb: on top of with will be mysql workhorse |
| 04:00.47 | JordiGH | widrone: A few minutes ago, in fact. |
| 04:00.47 | talexb | daeos, Nope -- right now, memtest86 .. ;) |
| 04:01.01 | talexb | .. and my hat is off to you. |
| 04:01.17 | widrone | JordiGH: Ah, ok. Just that when I cant find packages usually they are updated and I forgot to do an update =) |
| 04:01.49 | daeos | talexb: i wish it was faster.... maybe i could handle more later down the road when its my server for my game |
| 04:01.52 | talexb | daeos, You're gonna run MySQL on that? |
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| 04:02.05 | JordiGH | odla: Which one is the oregon one? |
| 04:02.15 | JordiGH | osuosl? |
| 04:02.17 | daeos | talexb: it is on it |
| 04:02.55 | talexb | I have a stable of old machines .. P450 w/ win98, P600 with Debian, P800 with Mandrake 10.1 (this machine) .. |
| 04:03.05 | daeos | you can check our the specs on it, going here: |
| 04:03.18 | talexb | and I think an old HP P500 with nothing much .. |
| 04:03.49 | talexb | My wife's machine is a 1.1G AMD .. |
| 04:03.57 | daeos | www.roguegames.net/phpsysinfo |
| 04:04.01 | talexb | But that's the only machine she has. |
| 04:04.37 | dockane | those old p2/3 do really good jobs.. i bought an ibm intellistation, dual p3 800 with 1 gb rambus. it rocks |
| 04:04.38 | JordiGH | Which one is the Oregon mirror? |
| 04:04.49 | talexb | Hmm, memtest86 is 10 minutes into its test and looks to be settling in for a long run .. guess I'll check it in the morning. |
| 04:04.59 | kreshnik | how i can install kernel sources in debian ? |
| 04:05.05 | daeos | memtest runs a good 24 hours |
| 04:05.16 | daeos | for full scan |
| 04:05.29 | talexb | dockane, My P800 is an old Compaq .. think I paid $275 for it about three years ago. |
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| 04:05.50 | talexb | daeos, Wow, really .. OK, fine, I do want to make sure that this machine is OK. |
| 04:06.34 | dockane | talexb: 100 eur, with an adaptec 2940 uw2, 9.1 gb scsi and a quadro fx |
| 04:06.58 | JordiGH | Ah. osuosl.org = Open Source Lab at Oregon State University. Found it! |
| 04:07.02 | kreshnik | Make sure you have your kernel sources, preferably in /usr/src/linux . im running debian stable. how i can install kernel sources ? |
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| 04:07.19 | kreshnik | i need it to install my wireless |
| 04:07.23 | talexb | dockane, not bad .. that works out to be about $150CDN I'm guessing. |
| 04:08.50 | daeos | ok everyone, im going home, prehaps talk to you guys later... |
| 04:08.53 | JordiGH | Hm, lyre.mit.edu was speedier for me, but osuosl isn't bad either. |
| 04:08.57 | dockane | telexb: 100 Euros = 142.560446 Canadian dollars |
| 04:09.06 | lunitik | kreshnik: apt-cache show kernel-source-$(uname -r) ... |
| 04:09.09 | daeos | exit |
| 04:09.25 | JordiGH | Oh, I take it back. It's speedy too.Thanks, odla! |
| 04:09.27 | odla | friggin' flashplugin-nonfree wont' d/l |
| 04:09.30 | odla | np |
| 04:09.37 | talexb | dockane, Sure, now .. but fives minutes ago .. ;) |
| 04:09.39 | Guerin | odla: lucky you! |
| 04:09.47 | odla | Guerin: gnash? |
| 04:09.50 | Guerin | odla: you get to have another day without the flashpox! |
| 04:09.56 | odla | ha ha |
| 04:09.59 | Guerin | odla: i prefer adblock, but hey |
| 04:10.49 | dockane | talexb: just tried out this google convertation ;) |
| 04:10.51 | kreshnik | lunitic: kernel-source-2.6.8 ? |
| 04:10.54 | odla | does gnash actually work though :/ |
| 04:11.14 | lunitik | kreshnik: install that |
| 04:11.20 | talexb | dockane, OK, I would have used xe.com -- a friend of mine works there .. |
| 04:11.25 | kreshnik | yea |
| 04:11.35 | lunitik | odla: it supports Flash 7 ... which is next to useless these days :/ |
| 04:11.49 | lunitik | 70% of Flash things don't work with it :/ |
| 04:11.58 | talexb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.15 | dockane | talexb: 100.00 EUR |
| 04:12.17 | dockane | Euro = 142.364 CAD |
| 04:12.25 | odla | so do i need to go get flash 9 beta |
| 04:12.44 | lunitik | odla: I'd advise it if you actually plan on utilizing it ;) |
| 04:12.44 | dockane | sorry.. thats kind of oftopic |
| 04:13.57 | lunitik | odla: YouTube is the only site that still worked before I upgraded to Flash 9 beta.... |
| 04:14.23 | odla | lunitik: and flash 9 beta isn't packaged yet anywhere right? |
| 04:14.42 | wols | odla: make sure you can uninstall your flash9beta again when the .deb comes |
| 04:14.47 | craigevil | odla all you do is download it the copy the plugin to the appropriate directory |
| 04:14.48 | wols | so install with care |
| 04:14.48 | lunitik | odla: there are .debs around for it.... |
| 04:14.51 | JordiGH | lunitik: YouTub if .flv, different from swf, I guess. |
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| 04:15.04 | JordiGH | s/if/is |
| 04:15.21 | wols | what's in a file extension? nothing |
| 04:15.38 | JordiGH | wols: flash video. I thought it was a different format? |
| 04:15.56 | wols | ntw: http://www.youtube.com/player2.swf |
| 04:16.03 | wols | flash video is flash. QED |
| 04:16.26 | JordiGH | And files are biytes. |
| 04:16.30 | JordiGH | bytes. |
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| 04:17.28 | g3brown | What diff between ntp-simple and ntpdate ? |
| 04:17.40 | lunitik | g3brown: ntpdate works? |
| 04:17.58 | g3brown | lunitik: yeah I guess |
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| 04:18.12 | lunitik | g3brown: no... thats the difference :P |
| 04:18.29 | g3brown | lunitik: ntp-simple doesn't? |
| 04:18.58 | lunitik | g3brown: I played with it for about an hour... gave up... installed ntpdate and voila... not even configuration needed really... |
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| 04:19.06 | odla | ah do i want the installer or the standalone player? |
| 04:19.38 | lunitik | odla: not the standalone player... unless you do flash things locally? |
| 04:20.01 | g3brown | lunitik: thanks for input. Have always used ntpdate, but I saw ntp-simple when I search right then. I installed in on a vm and it appeared to install okay |
| 04:20.21 | craigevil | idk why Adobe calls it an installer , its a readme and the plugin |
| 04:20.31 | odla | lunitik: yeah i definitely don't |
| 04:20.32 | lunitik | craigevil: haha |
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| 04:20.57 | g3brown | lunitik: it got me curious if I ntp-simple was better or did something different |
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| 04:21.13 | JordiGH | Is flash an open standard? |
| 04:21.24 | lunitik | JordiGH: I think so... |
| 04:21.31 | lunitik | Certainly not open source though |
| 04:22.08 | JordiGH | lunitik: Uh. An open standard is open source. Gv vs Acrobat Reader. |
| 04:22.35 | Firefishe | Where can I find a document on upgrading from stable to testing |
| 04:23.05 | wols | it's not open at all |
| 04:23.06 | Guerin | no, flash is a non-open standard |
| 04:23.10 | lunitik | JordiGH: no... an open standard is a spec that is accepting by any of the standardization bodies... open source in no way DEFINES open standards |
| 04:23.21 | Guerin | svg is the open standard designed to replace it |
| 04:24.06 | JordiGH | lunitik: An open standard doesn't need to be submitted to ISO or ECMA or anything. It's simply someone, anyone saying "this is the standard, and this is how to read and write files in this format". |
| 04:24.07 | Guerin | lunitik: an open standard is one which has been published, such that implementations can be made. AIUI Macrodobedia guards the standard closely. |
| 04:24.17 | JordiGH | I think I've been saying standard all along when I wanted to say format. |
| 04:24.31 | lunitik | SVG can be animated, and allow interaction? |
| 04:24.32 | Guerin | it's not an open one of those either |
| 04:24.46 | Guerin | i dunno, never used it |
| 04:25.02 | JordiGH | So the Gnash people are basically reverse engineering flash? Now I see what's taking so long. |
| 04:25.08 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:25.26 | wols | JordiGH: svg isn't as good in being programmed (actionscript) afaik |
| 04:25.26 | dockane | what i still do not unterstand is why all these video websites need flash to play a simple low definition video |
| 04:25.31 | Guerin | and it's a moving target |
| 04:25.36 | wols | and of course pretty much no browser supports it really |
| 04:25.47 | Guerin | it's a work in progress |
| 04:25.50 | Guerin | like HURD |
| 04:25.53 | JordiGH | dockane: It's like sending your emails in .doc, I guess. |
| 04:25.56 | wols | dockane: cause it's cheap content protection, works on any browser |
| 04:26.06 | wols | for "any" = commercial interesting ones |
| 04:26.31 | wols | the worst hwoever is, the biggest most used SVG plugin is from Adobe.... Guess what will happen |
| 04:26.41 | Guerin | and they get to strike sponsorship deals with maacrobedia |
| 04:26.51 | Guerin | wols: yeah, exactly. |
| 04:26.52 | JordiGH | wols: Extend, embrace extinguish? That's unlike Adobe, though. |
| 04:27.04 | Guerin | They hired all the people with the skilz in this area |
| 04:27.06 | wols | JordiGH: they made that plugin long before they aquired macromedia |
| 04:27.21 | Guerin | just extend, embrace, extend some more |
| 04:27.30 | CompWizrd | jordigh: strong bad receives his emails in flash, doesn't he? |
| 04:27.37 | wols | yes he does |
| 04:27.43 | JordiGH | Crap. He does. |
| 04:27.48 | kreshnik | what progs i neeed to make progs |
| 04:28.02 | wols | !tell kreshnik about b-e |
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| 04:29.26 | kreshnik | wols, i have that gcc installed but i get errors.. :/ why that ? |
| 04:29.43 | Guerin | you don't have to install gcc |
| 04:29.47 | wols | what was unclear about what dpkg said? |
| 04:29.50 | Guerin | you have to install build-esserntial |
| 04:29.53 | Guerin | at a minimum |
| 04:30.08 | kreshnik | ok thnx |
| 04:30.17 | Guerin | kreshnik: if you can't figure out what other libs you should eb installing, then you shouldn't be building whatever it is you're building |
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| 04:31.20 | kreshnik | still i get errors |
| 04:31.32 | wols | kreshnik: have you ever heard of "smart questions"? |
| 04:31.50 | wols | "I get errors" is as useful to us as a MS OS |
| 04:31.56 | wols | WHAT errors? |
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| 04:33.32 | Guerin | kreshnik: you are the error |
| 04:33.50 | wols | don't give him that much of a credit |
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| 04:34.09 | Guerin | wols: hey, you're supposed to be the good cop. |
| 04:34.24 | wols | bad cop/bad cop is way more satisfying |
| 04:35.41 | JordiGH | Btw, wtf is gdb-doc in non-free? How can GNU software fail to have free documentation? |
| 04:35.52 | wols | probably GFDL stuff |
| 04:36.01 | wols | that invariant section thing |
| 04:36.03 | JordiGH | wols: Praithee elaborate. |
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| 04:36.18 | JordiGH | Debian thinks the GFDL is non-free? |
| 04:36.30 | Guerin | JordiGH: GFDL not DFSG free for complicated reasons elaborated at great length on debian-legal |
| 04:36.41 | wols | GFDL has a provision where you can designate some sections as "non free" cause one is not allowed to modify those sections |
| 04:36.42 | Guerin | not non-free; non-DFSG-free |
| 04:36.51 | Guerin | the FSF and debian don't use the same definition |
| 04:37.02 | wols | if part of something is non free, it's all non free as far as debian goes |
| 04:37.15 | JordiGH | Guerin: I thought they agreed more than they disagreed. |
| 04:37.20 | Guerin | they do |
| 04:37.21 | wols | they do |
| 04:37.35 | Guerin | but that agreement is not 100% |
| 04:37.48 | Guerin | ie, the FSF != Debian |
| 04:37.59 | JordiGH | Yes, I understand, but... |
| 04:38.03 | JordiGH | Oh, well. Whatever. |
| 04:38.07 | SerajewelKS | is there any reason why /proc/cpuinfo would say my cpu is 1102.568 mhz, when the cpu itself can clock to 1.86 ghz? |
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| 04:38.26 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: could be any number of reasons. WHat does bios say? |
| 04:38.26 | SerajewelKS | it's an athlon xp 2500+ |
| 04:38.28 | wols | SerajewelKS: how do you KNOW it runs at 1.86GHZ? |
| 04:38.42 | JordiGH | 1.86*1024 = ? |
| 04:38.43 | SerajewelKS | wols: every site i can find says that's the clock speed |
| 04:38.53 | wols | SerajewelKS: that's not knowing |
| 04:38.56 | wols | check your FSB |
| 04:38.57 | DSlayer_1 | SerajewelKS: CPU Throttling? |
| 04:39.04 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: a lot more than 1102 |
| 04:39.06 | wols | and make sure you don't use wha DSlayer_1 said |
| 04:39.14 | SerajewelKS | DSlayer_1: not to my knowledge |
| 04:39.22 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i think it says 1.1g too |
| 04:39.25 | Guerin | i'd guess FSB set to 666 when it shouldbe 999 or suchlike |
| 04:39.28 | wols | SerajewelKS: then you set your FSB to 133 MHz |
| 04:39.35 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Does your BIOS agree with Linux? |
| 04:39.45 | SerajewelKS | wols: hmm |
| 04:39.50 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i had a p42.8 which only ran at 1.6, because a pin was snapped off |
| 04:39.53 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: i think so |
| 04:40.03 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: haha... it actually ran at all? |
| 04:40.05 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Then it's a BIOS issue. Not a Linux one. |
| 04:40.12 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: yeah, ran fine at 1.6 |
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| 04:40.22 | wols | SerajewelKS: is this a new box? |
| 04:40.24 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: that's weird shit |
| 04:40.41 | wols | not weird if it lucky was one of the FSB pins |
| 04:40.42 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: indeed. Came installed carelessly. |
| 04:40.50 | JordiGH | Whoa. vtk-doc is huge. |
| 04:40.57 | JordiGH | And probably useless. :-/ |
| 04:41.03 | JordiGH | !info vtk-doc |
| 04:41.06 | SerajewelKS | wols: no it's pretty old, i just acteally realized that it's running slower than advertised |
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| 04:41.12 | SerajewelKS | actually* |
| 04:41.13 | dpkg | vtk-doc: (VTK class reference documentation), section doc, is optional. Version: 5.0.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 38416 kB, Installed size: 199608 kB |
| 04:41.19 | SerajewelKS | wols: it's self-built |
| 04:41.20 | wols | SerajewelKS: is this a mobile barton or a desktop one? |
| 04:41.25 | Guerin | wols: if the 'missing' pin corner is northeast, the broken-off pin was at southeast corner |
| 04:41.28 | SerajewelKS | wols: desktop |
| 04:41.40 | wols | then it needs to run at 166FSB |
| 04:42.25 | wols | yep. runs at FSB 100 default "safe" settings instead of 166 |
| 04:42.40 | JordiGH | 200 megs! |
| 04:42.53 | SerajewelKS | wols: that's dumb =/ |
| 04:42.59 | wols | either you ever reset your BIOS and didn't chance it, or it reset itself (happens sometimes e.g. on k7s5a mobo) or you never ever set it to 166 |
| 04:43.10 | SerajewelKS | wols: i thought bioses detected that stuff |
| 04:43.18 | Guerin | of it's set to 'auto' and is stupid |
| 04:43.18 | wols | all axp mobos come with 100MHz default which oyu have to change if you're the builder |
| 04:43.21 | SerajewelKS | wols: it's probably at 133 |
| 04:43.24 | wols | no they don'. they can't |
| 04:43.30 | SerajewelKS | wols: alright |
| 04:43.45 | wols | Guerin: back then they couldn't all the athlon said was "I have multiplier X" that's all |
| 04:43.45 | SerajewelKS | wols: i'll look at the settings when i get back to my room |
| 04:43.53 | SerajewelKS | wols: thanks for the pointer |
| 04:43.56 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:44.01 | wols | it's not probably 133. I KNOW it's 100 |
| 04:44.14 | kreshnik | where is kernel_source located in debian stable |
| 04:44.14 | SerajewelKS | see this is why i ask here, because people know everything here... |
| 04:44.14 | wols | and I also know it's 166 if all what you said is true |
| 04:44.28 | wols | kreshnik: install kernel sources first |
| 04:44.31 | SerajewelKS | wols: the page i'm looking at says the FSB is 166, yeah |
| 04:44.52 | kreshnik | wols, i installed it |
| 04:45.01 | kreshnik | kernel-source-2.6.8 ? |
| 04:45.05 | wols | dpkg -L <kernel source name> |
| 04:45.05 | dpkg | No packages found matching <kernel source name> |
| 04:45.12 | wols | dpkg: shuddup |
| 04:45.12 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 04:45.31 | SerajewelKS | wols: and my mobo is: DFI NFII ULTRA-AL Socket A (Socket 462) NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 ATX AMD Motherboard |
| 04:45.46 | SerajewelKS | wols: so whatever the default is there is probably what it's running at |
| 04:45.55 | wols | SerajewelKS: then it's a pebkac problem |
| 04:46.10 | SerajewelKS | wols: i wouldn't be surprised =) |
| 04:46.19 | wols | I'm not. and I know |
| 04:46.27 | wols | cause 100FSB is default (for the old durons) |
| 04:46.29 | SerajewelKS | wols: i thought it might be something simple that i overlooked |
| 04:47.42 | wols | Guerin: are intel P4s totall autosensing? from FSB100(willamette) to FSB400(preshott)? |
| 04:47.50 | SerajewelKS | wols: i like to call such things id-ten-T errors too, but pebkac is nice in a tech support context because you can say it in front of the customer without them being able to decipher what you mean |
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| 04:48.00 | Guerin | wols: all I've owned are, yeah. |
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| 04:48.53 | wols | never had one. price/performance sucked except P4 1600A |
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| 04:49.55 | linux666 | what package includes all the lvm tools for console? the ones i need should be for lvm2. i dont even care about having support for lvm the first one. |
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| 04:51.41 | niles | what takes firefox so long to load |
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| 04:52.01 | niles | nm |
| 04:52.08 | wols | not enough underpants gnomes to do the work |
| 04:52.15 | oblio | anyone here messed w/ bluetooth stuff under lunix much? esp hid? |
| 04:52.47 | wols | oblio: ask your real question, don't take polls |
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| 04:53.53 | kreshnik | lunitic: kernel-source-2.6.8 <- where this kernel source will be installed |
| 04:54.09 | linux666 | whats the package i need that has lv* pv* vg* tools for lvm2 in debian? |
| 04:54.11 | Guerin | kreshnik: /usr/src |
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| 04:54.39 | linux666 | anyone know? |
| 04:54.59 | wols | !tell linux666 about search |
| 04:55.01 | linux666 | could someone do 'apt-cache search lvm2' ? im not at my debian computer now |
| 04:55.02 | wols | do you know? |
| 04:55.04 | vulture | linux666: have you tried "apt-cache search", it's not hard to find |
| 04:55.09 | Guerin | linux666: if someone knows, they'll say. |
| 04:55.14 | linux666 | vulture: read above |
| 04:55.14 | vulture | linux666: why not do it when you get to your computer? |
| 04:55.18 | Guerin | !search |
| 04:55.18 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 04:55.21 | vulture | there's no point knowing until you can actually execute the command anyway.. |
| 04:55.55 | linux666 | fuck you . go ahead and ban me if you want cause this is the most unhelpful channel. what you do tell me is common sense i already tried. |
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| 04:56.20 | wols | !customer |
| 04:56.20 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 04:56.25 | wols | more like !idiot |
| 04:57.00 | Guerin | but ... if he'd trued, he would have found it. |
| 04:57.13 | Guerin | Does that mean some people don't always tell the truth? |
| 04:59.09 | DSlayer_1 | man... what's wrong tonight!? I sense a great disturbance in the Force... |
| 04:59.26 | oblio | this feels more like a berating and making yourself feel better about yourself channel as opposed to a help channel. wols, i was just striking up a conversation on the topic in general. |
| 04:59.30 | oblio | i'm not a moron, and i think you're an asshole. |
| 04:59.32 | oblio | !customer |
| 04:59.32 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 05:01.25 | Guerin | ... and if someone wanted to converse, they would have. |
| 05:02.08 | odla | wow anger man |
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| 05:02.43 | blerk | anyone know how i get my notebook volumekeys to work (compaq v3000) ? |
| 05:02.45 | wols | Guerin: was I especially unhelpful the last 10 minutes? |
| 05:02.50 | peterS | yeah that dude is definitely headed toward the dark side |
| 05:03.30 | beardy | blerk: Have a look at the package "hotkeys", or I also think there is a xmms plugin that uses such buttons, if you use xmms. |
| 05:03.33 | beardy | !hotkeys |
| 05:03.39 | Guerin | wols: not really. |
| 05:04.15 | blerk | beardy: cheers, i'll give that a go |
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| 05:04.50 | beardy | !info hotkeys sarge |
| 05:04.54 | dpkg | hotkeys: (A hotkeys daemon for your Internet/multimedia keyboard in X), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.5.7.3 (sarge), Packaged size: 142 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
| 05:05.17 | blerk | !info hotkey-setup sarge |
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| 05:05.58 | beardy | blerk: Hmm? Read /usr/share/doc/hotkeys/*, if that is what you meant. |
| 05:06.50 | beardy | blerk: IIRC there are several configurations for a lot of "media-keyboards", and you grab one, possibly edit it, and put it in ~/.hotkeys.conf or something like that. |
| 05:08.06 | blerk | thank you |
| 05:08.08 | blerk | :D |
| 05:10.10 | beardy | blerk: You're welcome. |
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| 05:19.52 | SerajewelKS | wols: you still there? |
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| 05:21.15 | SerajewelKS | wols: the FSB was at 100. it's at 166 now and this thing is screaming =) |
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| 05:32.46 | itchi | Running Etch here, how can i get the source of an app in Unstable? |
| 05:33.27 | beardy | itchi: Downloading it from pdo is the easiest. |
| 05:33.29 | beardy | !pdo |
| 05:33.29 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 05:33.34 | odla | itchi: add a deb-src line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file and change the word etch to sid |
| 05:34.02 | itchi | odla: I not want to upgrade, need to fix the boa-constructor ala Debian way now |
| 05:34.24 | itchi | Work that not apt-get source -t unstable boa-constructor ? |
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| 05:35.51 | itchi | odla: Or maybe i need to add these lines an config the preferences file to add some priorities |
| 05:36.14 | itchi | beardy: I guess there should be an easy way to get these soure with apt |
| 05:36.31 | itchi | Hope's without changing config files |
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| 05:37.25 | beardy | itchi: Easy depends on you. Perhaps pinning works fine for source packages aswell, use that if so. |
| 05:38.21 | Guerin | easiest to just manually downsload the damn package |
| 05:38.31 | beardy | And what did I say.. |
| 05:38.47 | Guerin | you're not wrong |
| 05:39.01 | beardy | 06:33 < beardy> itchi: Downloading it from pdo is the easiest. |
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| 05:39.18 | itchi | Guerin: I need to rebuild an package |
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| 05:40.27 | itchi | I can only download that deb file? |
| 05:40.29 | beardy | !simple sid backport |
| 05:40.29 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 05:41.18 | Guerin | it's *simple* |
| 05:41.23 | beardy | Hmm, no, not what you want, thought it had some intermediate step in between to just get the package. |
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| 05:41.39 | itchi | beardy: I not need an backport. I need to rebuild boa-constructor. Had talk with dondelelcaro about it and i need to get the source. I have already rebuild an modify the deb. But i need to do it of the debian source so that i get these other additional files |
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| 05:41.57 | beardy | itchi: But just get it then.. |
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| 05:42.17 | itchi | beardy: Maybe like you had already tell that 'pinging' thing or so |
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| 05:42.43 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:42.56 | Guerin | just download the tar.gz, the dsc and the diff.gz |
| 05:43.09 | Guerin | then use dpkg to make it all just so |
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| 05:43.15 | Guerin | it's not rocket science |
| 05:43.22 | itchi | Guerin: Yup, yup, but it's just these files i not find |
| 05:43.37 | itchi | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/boa-constructor |
| 05:43.37 | beardy | itchi: They're there for every package. |
| 05:43.41 | Guerin | look on packages.d.o |
| 05:44.03 | itchi | Maybe i not see the link to get these other files ?? |
| 05:44.12 | Guerin | Source Package: boa-constructor, Download: [dsc] [boa-constructor_0.4.4cvs20050714.orig.tar.gz] [boa-constructor_0.4.4cvs20050714-2.diff.gz] |
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| 05:44.18 | itchi | ow ow ow |
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| 05:44.28 | itchi | beardy: just saw it on the bottom. Oeps sorry |
| 05:45.10 | itchi | oeps, needed to scroll one line more :-/ |
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| 05:50.12 | itchi | But in that way, the package is not yet debianized. Or need we debianise every time there is an upstream version of an package? |
| 05:51.19 | itchi | I have only experience in rebuilding an existing package. I mean extracting the stuff on an deb and modify it and rebuild it from there |
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| 06:01.58 | mazzanet | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 06:02.08 | mazzanet | what does that mean and why? |
| 06:02.20 | nevyn | probably they had broken dependancies. |
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| 06:02.45 | unfy | i've got debian 3.1 running an alphastation 500, i've gotten root on a raid1 device as well as the swap. the swap partition mdadm --stop's just fine, but i can't get the root partition to --stop... causing it to always fail one of the drives at boot (requiring an --add) ... any thoughts ? |
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| 06:03.25 | mazzanet | can i get apt to magically fix the dependancies? |
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| 06:07.09 | lunitik | mazzanet: does 'apt-get dist-upgrade' install them? |
| 06:07.18 | mazzanet | ah i see |
| 06:07.30 | mazzanet | when i individuall install them, it whinges that they're untrusted |
| 06:07.39 | lunitik | (usually packages help back means something changed in the packages...) |
| 06:07.51 | lunitik | !pubkey |
| 06:07.53 | itchi | Maybe, is there somethings similar as boa-constructor? |
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| 06:08.00 | lunitik | !listkeys key |
| 06:08.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'key' by key (15 of 134): #debian secure-testing-master apt-key ;; _default graphmonkey ;; _default secure-testing-master apt-key ;; codemonkey ;; galeon emacs keybindings ;; import gpg key ;; leafmonkeys ;; pgpkeys ;; pokey ;; ppc keycodes ;; seamonkey ;; secure-testing-master apt-key ;; ssh-keygen ;; wonkey ;; xkeycaps. |
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| 06:08.42 | lunitik | mazzanet: you should look at "import gpg key" and "apt-key" |
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| 06:13.11 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:13.11 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:13.27 | lunitik | tarzeau: why you keep displaying that? |
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| 06:15.01 | tarzeau | lunitik: so people install it to help find out which sofwtare is more popluar, to make a reasonable distribution of the software onto the cds? |
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| 06:21.04 | mazzanet | umm |
| 06:21.56 | mazzanet | should i be using 'testing' or 'etch'?? |
| 06:22.58 | dendrite | mazzanet: They are practically the same. When etch releases, do you want to go to the new stable, or continue with testing? |
| 06:23.13 | mazzanet | well |
| 06:23.36 | mazzanet | i want everything to be the latest possible and not broken :P |
| 06:23.39 | dendrite | mazzanet: If you say etch, you'll be on *stable* when etch releases. if you say testing, then you'll stay in, well, testing, which will continue to evolve after etch releases. |
| 06:23.47 | dendrite | mazzanet: Then testing. |
| 06:24.10 | mazzanet | is testing mirrored or only on us.debian? |
| 06:24.28 | dendrite | mazzanet: it's mirrored. |
| 06:24.35 | dendrite | I rthink. |
| 06:24.49 | dendrite | mazzanet: Actually, I suppose it depends on the mirrors. |
| 06:25.11 | dendrite | mazzanet: If you get 404 then it's probably not on your mirror... |
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| 06:26.55 | mazzanet | wee i'm all up to date |
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| 06:46.19 | kreshnik | i just installed kernel-source-2.6.8, then i go to check in /usr/src/ , and there in kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 |
| 06:47.38 | kreshnik | so is the kernel-source installed ? |
| 06:48.39 | wols | is it is |
| 06:48.42 | wols | *yes |
| 06:48.54 | kreshnik | okey where ? |
| 06:49.19 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.13 | wols | kreshnik: do you use any howto to show you how to compile a kernel= |
| 06:51.15 | wols | ? |
| 06:51.15 | dn4 | http://myspace-201.vo.llnwd.net/01306/10/21/1306491201_l.jpg <-- Robin Hood and Lil Jon |
| 06:51.46 | kreshnik | nope :) |
| 06:51.54 | wols | kreshnik: it shows |
| 06:52.00 | wols | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en |
| 06:52.02 | wols | read it |
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| 06:54.12 | kreshnik | ok thnx |
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| 06:54.29 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
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| 06:56.33 | anibal_ | !kernel |
| 06:56.35 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.18.1, prepatch: 2.6.19-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.19-rc3-git6, 2.4: 2.4.33.3, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre4, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.19-rc3-mm1 |
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| 06:58.54 | sobersabre | hello. I am planning to add a partition for /var on a running system. I've already done mkfs. |
| 06:59.22 | sobersabre | I would like to hear what shall I be carefull with... system is |
| 06:59.39 | sobersabre | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:59.42 | sobersabre | testing/unstable |
| 06:59.44 | sobersabre | kernel: |
| 06:59.55 | sobersabre | 2.6.17-2-k7 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 17:18:46 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:00.02 | sobersabre | fs - ext3 |
| 07:00.21 | sobersabre | with /usr I just copied with "cp -pr" |
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| 07:01.01 | sobersabre | but in /var there's /var/run, /var/lock etc. I'd like to see if it is possible to enable /var on a live system, without init 1 or something like that.. |
| 07:01.24 | sobersabre | and I don't care to lose several log entries. |
| 07:01.39 | sobersabre | will bring things like apache, postgres etc. down. |
| 07:01.49 | sobersabre | but ssh I wouldn't want to kill. |
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| 07:03.21 | sobersabre | anything I should be aware of ? |
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| 07:05.42 | sussudio | sobersabre: bunnies |
| 07:05.53 | sobersabre | oh! |
| 07:06.09 | sobersabre | anything else ? |
| 07:06.16 | sobersabre | ( I have thought about kittens ) |
| 07:06.26 | sobersabre | ( and puppies ) |
| 07:06.29 | sussudio | http://www.rabbits-bunnies.com/pictures-images-photos/rabbits-bunnies-01.jpg |
| 07:06.39 | pelzi_ | do not do that over ssh |
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| 07:08.02 | sobersabre | pelzi_, and if I do "agree" to reboot. then stopping everything except etc, stopping syslog/klogd etc., copying it all and enabling to mount it next time... .... would it work ? |
| 07:08.48 | sobersabre | I have about 300M in /var now. |
| 07:09.06 | sobersabre | I have cleaned apt packages folder.. |
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| 07:09.50 | anibal_ | sobersabre, run 'lsof | grep /var' |
| 07:12.06 | pelzi_ | I'dd doubt it is possible without going to single user |
| 07:12.45 | wols | I need a suggestion for a compressing "filesystem" but it should be a virtual FS: It needs to compress single files only and not the whole filesystem transparently |
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| 07:12.56 | sobersabre | anibal right. |
| 07:13.03 | wols | basically like simple .gz "expansion", only real wolrd usable |
| 07:13.40 | CHodapp | wols, look into some things that have been made for FUSE |
| 07:14.06 | tralala | wols, I think one of the chattr flags is for compression |
| 07:14.08 | wols | is FUSE working properly nowadays? |
| 07:14.14 | CHodapp | yes |
| 07:14.50 | wols | what I want is the compressed FS to have two directories basically. one is where I can access the compressed files and one where I can access them uncompressed where the system compresses and uncompresses them |
| 07:15.10 | wols | and when I drop in a new uncompressed file to the compressed dir, I want it automatically compressed |
| 07:15.19 | wols | CHodapp: already looking at the FUSEWiki thanks |
| 07:15.25 | sobersabre | hmmm... anibal, what happens if a daemon... like pppd doesn't succeed to log something ? |
| 07:15.50 | sobersabre | ( although the bastard opens its own stuff in /var ) |
| 07:17.22 | tralala | hmm, sounds too complicated. What will happen if you put an already compressed file to the compressed dir? Should the fs check if the files are compressed or not? |
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| 07:18.42 | wols | no it shouldn't check. just compress it |
| 07:18.58 | sobersabre | ok... copying.... hopefully after reboot it works... although there will be a time gap in syslog etc. |
| 07:19.02 | wols | I actually want it for things like PDFs, txt files, media files, etc |
| 07:19.14 | wols | basically a big library that saves on harddisk space where possible |
| 07:19.22 | wols | even when pretty much any media file is compressed |
| 07:19.51 | tralala | so if you copy a .gz file you will end up with .gz.gz |
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| 07:20.06 | wols | NO |
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| 07:20.24 | anibal_ | sobersabre, if you remove a file which is still being used, 'ls' won't listed it but linux will not release the disk space used by the file |
| 07:20.25 | wols | as I said: that .gz thing is total useless since it doesn't work transparently |
| 07:20.45 | tralala | it was just an example |
| 07:22.00 | tralala | I think using a filesystem compression layer for such a task is an overkill. I'd make a shell wrapper of cp instead that will do the same job. |
| 07:22.01 | sobersabre | anibal the 1st concern is to start using the new partitions. |
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| 07:22.06 | wols | and no I won't usualy en d up with a doubly compressed file |
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| 07:22.30 | sobersabre | then, I can find some time for longer downtime, and only then I will unlink() the used space |
| 07:22.46 | wols | since I'd copy already compressed files into the directory where it doesn't compress: as I said, there are 2 ways to access those directories |
| 07:23.19 | wols | and if I open a compressed file via compressed folder, and write it back it will be uncompressed and recompressed on the fly |
| 07:23.50 | sobersabre | ok, bye all |
| 07:24.35 | anibal_ | sobersabre, before doing something like that remotely, you should run your tests locally |
| 07:24.44 | anibal_ | too late |
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| 07:24.48 | CHodapp | why do you insist on an uncompressed FS but transparent access? |
| 07:25.22 | sparr | why does debian firefox default to launching evolution as my mail client? |
| 07:25.29 | wols | tralala: I had something like what I ask for a long time ago on OS/2. It's not as efficient as whole en-bloc compressing filesystem but it gives good balance for availability, data security and compression imho |
| 07:25.56 | wols | CHodapp: more flexibility mainly |
| 07:26.33 | wols | I can decide if I want some file to be compressed or not |
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| 07:26.45 | CHodapp | you seem to be enumerating its inflexibilities... |
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| 07:27.18 | wols | no. I enumerate requested features which make it usable for the user. I don't care about the difficulties this creates for the programmer :) |
| 07:27.29 | wols | what is inflexible about it? |
| 07:28.26 | wols | for example it's very easy for me to have different compressionn schemes for different files |
| 07:28.54 | wols | and unlike en bloc like cramfs the programmer can add support for new and different schemes vrey easily |
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| 07:29.30 | unlink | how can i avoid installing exim if i just want mutt? |
| 07:29.45 | wols | you can't. you need an MTA or at least MDA |
| 07:29.48 | unlink | (i want to use msmtp) |
| 07:29.51 | wols | look into nullmailer |
| 07:29.51 | tralala | wols, perhaps you want reiser4 + plugins |
| 07:30.00 | wols | if msmtp is a debian package you can |
| 07:30.05 | wols | tralala: not sure there :) |
| 07:30.08 | unlink | it is |
| 07:30.32 | unlink | i have msmtp installed, but apt still wants to install exim with mutt |
| 07:30.34 | wols | unlink: then it provides "MTA" and any package that needs a MTA will work |
| 07:31.30 | wols | msmtp is NOT a MTA |
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| 07:31.46 | unlink | why do i need an mta with mutt if i have msmtp? |
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| 07:32.11 | wols | cause you always need a MTA, with mutt or without |
| 07:32.28 | unlink | i don't follow |
| 07:32.32 | wols | install nullmailer |
| 07:32.36 | wols | !nullmailer |
| 07:32.37 | dpkg | i guess nullmailer is a minimal mta for hosts which just send directly to smart relays and is at http://em.ca/~bruceg/nullmailer/, or now a Debian package. |
| 07:32.46 | wols | !ssmtp |
| 07:32.47 | dpkg | methinks ssmtp is an extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mailhub |
| 07:32.54 | wols | either one |
| 07:33.04 | unlink | i've gone to the trouble of getting a working mutt + msmtp configuratoin on a different system |
| 07:33.32 | unlink | i don't see why i need exim, or nullmailer for that matter |
| 07:33.42 | wols | it has nothing to do with mutt |
| 07:33.52 | wols | you need a MTA on a Unix alike system. period |
| 07:34.09 | cydork | unlink: mutt depends on MTA , check out the dependacies of mutt. So any MTA will do.. |
| 07:34.13 | unlink | why do you think you know what i need on my system? |
| 07:34.27 | wols | cause you run supposedly a Unix like system |
| 07:34.38 | wols | and I do know you run for example cron |
| 07:34.40 | tralala | unlink, why do you think you do? |
| 07:34.42 | wols | and syslog |
| 07:34.43 | unlink | i have no need for a full-fledged mta |
| 07:35.03 | wols | and I already told you what to use then. a simple easy to setup MTA like nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 07:35.08 | unlink | tralala: because it's my system |
| 07:35.15 | unlink | tralala: for me exclusively |
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| 07:35.28 | wols | my mom has a system too. she doesn't know what she needs either |
| 07:35.30 | cydork | unlink: so you can go for a simple MTA, like ssmtp.. |
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| 07:35.50 | unlink | but why use something that's simple and easy to set up when i have something that is simple and already set up? |
| 07:35.51 | wols | nor does she know anything how it all works |
| 07:35.56 | wols | unlink: are you my mum? |
| 07:36.07 | wols | cause what you have set up is something else what you need |
| 07:36.17 | wols | what baffles me is how you managed to uninstall exim in the first place |
| 07:36.31 | unlink | i didn't install it |
| 07:36.56 | unlink | i installed mutt from cvs on my slack box and used it with msmtp, and it worked flawlessly |
| 07:37.01 | wols | A MTA, usually exim is part of your base install. if you haven't installed it, you aren't running debian |
| 07:37.21 | unlink | actually, it's not part of the base system |
| 07:37.43 | wols | so where did you install from? |
| 07:38.16 | unlink | this is completely orthogal to getting mutt working without exim |
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| 07:38.31 | tralala | unlink, do you or do you not run debian? |
| 07:38.35 | wols | well, you ignored the suggestion to make it work repeatedly... |
| 07:38.55 | unlink | tralala: read the channel name... |
| 07:39.04 | wols | unlink: that is not answering the question |
| 07:39.24 | unlink | it's called answering indirectly |
| 07:39.29 | Guerin | unlink: simple. Build msmtp from source, make it provide the mail-transfer-agent metapackage, and be happy |
| 07:39.30 | wols | a simple "yes I run stable and have used the sarge netinstaller to install" is all we ask |
| 07:39.38 | wols | it's called "stalling" and "diverting" |
| 07:40.02 | Guerin | unlink: beyond that, this is none of #debian's concern, nor are your pseudo-philosophical jibberings about what you think you do and do not need |
| 07:40.19 | unlink | i don't purport to be philosopher |
| 07:40.26 | cydork | Guerin: debian package of ssmtp provieds a MTA |
| 07:40.44 | Guerin | go on, grab hold of the least significant, but most-easily argued point of my question |
| 07:40.56 | Guerin | wols: the answer: unlinkix |
| 07:41.13 | wols | Guerin: a slackware based debian installatation? |
| 07:41.19 | Guerin | cydork: yeah, but he already has a smtpd and he's entitled to use it if he wants |
| 07:41.19 | unlink | i don't have a distribution, only a subset of debian sid |
| 07:41.20 | wols | truly an ugly sight to behold |
| 07:41.30 | cydork | unlink: define subset.. |
| 07:41.40 | wols | cydork: "what unlink likes" |
| 07:41.40 | idealm | Hi. There is always a find process owned by nobody running. Is it legal? |
| 07:41.47 | Guerin | unlink: did you or did you not install using debian install media downloaded from debian.org? |
| 07:41.51 | wols | idealm: no it'S not always running |
| 07:41.53 | Guerin | unlink: answer yes or no |
| 07:42.00 | cydork | wols: heh |
| 07:42.06 | Guerin | no, wait |
| 07:42.08 | unlink | cydork: the packages installed on my system are all in debian sid, and nothing installed isn't |
| 07:42.14 | wols | idealm: could be a updatedb run (once a day around 6am) gone wrong |
| 07:42.15 | idealm | wol: Sometimes :) Is it legal? |
| 07:42.16 | Guerin | unlink: answer 'I did' or "I did not' |
| 07:42.33 | unlink | Guerin: yeah |
| 07:42.47 | wols | idealm: updatedb is "legal" yes |
| 07:42.47 | idealm | wols: Thanks. |
| 07:42.47 | unlink | not sure why it's relevant |
| 07:42.56 | mazzanet | heh i'm crazy |
| 07:43.06 | cydork | mazzanet: no doubts :P |
| 07:43.08 | unlink | i'm pretty sure asking questions in here presupposed that one considers oneself a debian user |
| 07:43.08 | mazzanet | command of the day: ls -l | grep ' 308 ' | awk '{print $9}' | xargs -l1 rm |
| 07:43.09 | wols | unlink: cause you aren't running debian |
| 07:43.09 | Guerin | unlink: it's relevant because we now know the parameters of your system BEFORE you started fucking with it. |
| 07:43.19 | mazzanet | nukes all files in the current dir with a filesize of 308 |
| 07:43.42 | cydork | mazzanet: ever heard of find :) |
| 07:43.45 | unlink | wols: is it lonely up there on your high chair? |
| 07:43.53 | Guerin | unlink: #debian doesn't give two fucks what one considers oneself to use; a lot of eejits consider that they use debian wwhen in fact they use ubuntu, knoppix, mepis, kanotix, morpix, demudi, etc. |
| 07:43.54 | wols | or at least not a proper one. We cannot know what you all did, so we cannot help you |
| 07:44.03 | Hoxzer | !best |
| 07:44.04 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 07:44.25 | Hoxzer | !noob |
| 07:44.25 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 07:44.29 | unlink | Guerin: i can only present as fact what i believe to be true... and i believe i'm runnning debian |
| 07:44.33 | Hoxzer | :D |
| 07:44.33 | wols | unlink: not as lonely higher up where you apparently are. I don't like all debian packaging decisions either, but what the maintainers do is good enough for me |
| 07:45.00 | Guerin | unlink: see, now you're pretending not to be philosophical again |
| 07:45.12 | unlink | wols: i find it useful to stay within apt... since it greatly simplifies system administration |
| 07:45.20 | unlink | wols: as does having installed only what you need |
| 07:45.27 | cydork | unlink: give the output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 07:45.28 | unlink | wols: and the tools you are most familiar with |
| 07:45.34 | Guerin | unlink: anyway, you have your answer: you need something which provides mail-transfer-agent on your box. If you've uninstalled it, reinstalled something which does. |
| 07:45.41 | wols | unlink: run slack or LFS |
| 07:45.46 | unlink | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 07:46.01 | unlink | Guerin: ahh |
| 07:46.07 | unlink | Guerin: i was looking for MTA |
| 07:46.16 | mazzanet | cydork: hush :P |
| 07:46.26 | wols | unlink: I told you about MTAs about 30 minutes ago. you didn't like it |
| 07:46.46 | unlink | wols: oh, so i can use the dependency-resolving automatically updating package system of LFS? |
| 07:47.07 | unlink | wols: that certainly follows from what i described as effective system administration |
| 07:47.15 | wols | unlink: you don't like the dependency checking of debian apparently :) |
| 07:47.18 | Guerin | unlink: sure. you can use apt on LFS, many people do |
| 07:47.22 | unlink | i like it plenty |
| 07:47.36 | cydork | Guerin: and what do they do for sources?? :P |
| 07:47.38 | wols | unlink: but as soon as it wants something you don't like you balk :) |
| 07:47.44 | Guerin | cydork: use debian's, mostly. |
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| 07:48.06 | unlink | Guerin: looks a little bit less like LFS at that point, then ;) |
| 07:48.17 | cydork | Guerin: ahh, then it's not lfs :P, they should call it debian from scratch :P |
| 07:48.22 | Guerin | unlink: well, it ain't debian |
| 07:48.31 | Guerin | there IS a debian from scratch project, indeed. |
| 07:48.31 | unlink | wols: well, my concern is that it wants something that i never needed until apparently now |
| 07:48.31 | streuner | Guerin: that's debian based then :-) |
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| 07:48.44 | streuner | at least ;-) |
| 07:48.57 | Guerin | emphatically |
| 07:49.01 | wols | LFS doesn't say where the source has to come from, does it? |
| 07:49.19 | unlink | Guerin: of course not, but it's hardly LFS at that point (unless you take a sufficiently broad and meaningless interpretation of LFS) |
| 07:49.36 | Guerin | why? |
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| 07:49.42 | Guerin | they made it from scratch |
| 07:49.58 | Guerin | are you suggesting it's onyl LFS if they CONTINUE to build everything by hand? |
| 07:50.07 | unlink | Guerin: true, but you can bootstrap debian in a similar way while remaining within the confines of debian's packages |
| 07:50.13 | Guerin | but that's not LFS |
| 07:50.19 | streuner | Guerin: sure ! |
| 07:50.19 | unlink | right |
| 07:50.30 | Guerin | and people do LFS for a reason, otherwise they'd just install debian |
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| 07:50.58 | streuner | most people, because they wanna learn |
| 07:51.11 | unlink | Guerin: my point is that if you start calling an apt-managed system LFS, then you have essentially blurred one of the hallmarks of debian with whatever meaning you're assigning to LFS |
| 07:51.28 | Guerin | so? |
| 07:51.34 | wols | ubuntu is apt managed. doesn't mean it's deabin |
| 07:51.47 | wols | knoppix is apt managed. heck Fedor is sometimes apt-managed |
| 07:52.00 | Guerin | you can use portage or slask's packaging or rpm or autopackage or even BSD ports on LFS, don't make it any less from scratch |
| 07:52.02 | wols | none of them is debian in the slightest |
| 07:52.05 | Danamania | I'm apt-managed |
| 07:52.10 | insmod | Guerin: if you build all from src -- it is LFS |
| 07:52.10 | unlink | Guerin: I brought up the bootstrapping example as a useful comparison; you can construct a debian system sufficiently similar to one based on the LFS book to the point where they're virtually indistinguishable |
| 07:52.15 | Guerin | ~manage Danamania |
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| 07:52.22 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:52.25 | Guerin | coincidence |
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| 07:52.39 | Guerin | unlink: virtualities are important |
| 07:52.47 | Guerin | insmod: no, LFS is something specific. |
| 07:52.53 | Guerin | anyway |
| 07:52.55 | cydork | LFS is OT :) |
| 07:53.10 | wols | cydork: we like arguing about pointless things |
| 07:53.17 | Guerin | this is going to pwn my box and is utterly offtopic, but it's the best thing ever: http://feayn.org/~lewis/the_tiger_lillies-banging_in_the_nails.mp3 |
| 07:53.18 | insmod | Guerin: no trust me i know some of the devs |
| 07:53.27 | cydork | wols: well then LFS is the best topic ;) |
| 07:53.32 | Guerin | insmod: trust me, I AM one of the devs. |
| 07:53.36 | insmod | Guerin: and i have done LSF |
| 07:53.58 | wols | cydork: we need more BSD license zealots. or maybe a good talk about merkin politics :) |
| 07:54.10 | cydork | wols: hehe i agree.. |
| 07:54.59 | insmod | Guerin: don't think so |
| 07:55.07 | unlink | Guerin: linuxen are vastly similar--if the only way to distinguish them definitively is through abstract facts like "this was originally installed with X" or "i consider this system Y", then calling something LFS or debian is not especially meaningful |
| 07:55.20 | unlink | Guerin: which i don't disagree with |
| 07:55.21 | Guerin | insmod: my point is that anyone can *claim* they are/know/fuck one of the devs by saying 'trust me' |
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| 07:55.49 | insmod | Guerin: whatever |
| 07:55.51 | Guerin | unlink: see, philosophical. |
| 07:55.54 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 07:55.54 | dpkg | whatever is probably the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 07:56.09 | Guerin | unlink: you're not wrong, but a line has to be drawn somewhere |
| 07:56.27 | Guerin | unlink: when two things are similar, small differences make all the difference, if you get me |
| 07:56.35 | insmod | Guerin: : ) nice -- but yet i am still right |
| 07:56.41 | Guerin | unlink: see rivalry between chelsea and arsenal |
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| 07:56.47 | unlink | Guerin: i agree, but that line is not necessarily relevant all the time |
| 07:56.49 | Guerin | or spurs and arsenal, even moreso |
| 07:57.45 | wols | unlink: to get back to the original problem: inside #debian it is relevant to have an MTA. you can choose to opt out, but then it's outside the scope of #debian |
| 07:57.48 | unlink | Guerin: for example, whether i installed with debian media is a tangential issue to configuring mutt on an apt-based system using only debian unstable packages |
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| 07:57.58 | Guerin | not necessarily |
| 07:58.22 | wols | just like i doing my nvidia install with the installer from nvidia.com: I like that loads better than the apt method. but inside here I don't tell people to do this |
| 07:58.33 | Guerin | since you might have residual stuff from whatever you initially installed (config, devices, packages, libraries, whatever) which interferes with it |
| 07:58.51 | Guerin | unlink: and we have no way of knowing what the baseline was unless it was debian. |
| 07:59.03 | wols | no it's not tangential since you now lack an MTA which means debian mutt packages just don't work on your box |
| 07:59.13 | wols | if you think you need an MTA or not is secondary to that |
| 07:59.13 | unlink | i don't have mutt packages |
| 07:59.22 | unlink | i never installed them |
| 07:59.36 | wols | so more and more unsupported software? better and better |
| 07:59.47 | wols | we could just as well support LFS instead of your box |
| 08:00.15 | wols | the only reason we can support a linux box is cause the stuff was installed from debian. if it wasn't. all goes out the window |
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| 08:00.23 | insmod | brb |
| 08:00.30 | wols | and you're on your own on the high sea where giant squids roam |
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| 08:01.02 | unlink | wols: the point is it has little to do with whether it is debian, if all the packages are from debian and it's working within the frameworks of the debian package system |
| 08:01.04 | wols | note: we're not ##linux, we're #debian, and #debian only |
| 08:01.20 | wols | that's the point. your mutt is NOT from debian so you just said |
| 08:01.27 | unlink | i don't have mutt |
| 08:01.43 | wols | well it's not working obviously. if it were, you weren't here and didn't ask something |
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| 08:02.03 | unlink | i never installed it on this machine |
| 08:02.24 | wols | simply put: either run debian, real debian like debian.org says, or we can't help you |
| 08:02.27 | wols | that's all we can say |
| 08:02.47 | wols | if you do have problems with your custom distro: ##linux |
| 08:02.50 | unlink | i don't think you speak for everyone here |
| 08:03.13 | cydork | unlink: he does :) |
| 08:03.15 | unlink | i would certainly help someone if they failed to stay on the debian.org prescribed course |
| 08:03.45 | unlink | cydork: actually what he said is strictly false |
| 08:03.47 | streuner | unlink: that's topic |
| 08:03.49 | Guerin | good for you. YOu wouldn't do it in #debian,. though |
| 08:03.53 | unlink | cydork: |
| 08:04.03 | unlink | cydork: since i have given a counterexample |
| 08:04.04 | Guerin | because if you did, the place would be inundated with even more eejits than it currently is |
| 08:04.22 | cydork | !tell unlink about fable |
| 08:04.23 | wols | unlink: all I needed to know from you was your stalling from the simple question what debian you ran and how you installed it. if you were sure about your decision and how it was received here, you'd immediately said "I did this, this and this", but you didn't. bad conscience? |
| 08:04.27 | Guerin | unlink: feel free to start an alternative channel, though I think ##debian and #debian-friendly are already taken |
| 08:04.34 | wols | btw: you still haven't told us how you started your install... |
| 08:04.43 | wols | you still haven't come clean about it |
| 08:04.58 | Guerin | yeah, he has |
| 08:05.06 | Guerin | he claims it was debian media from debian.org |
| 08:05.13 | wols | ah. a liar |
| 08:05.15 | wols | good to know |
| 08:05.20 | unlink | wols: not only did i say, but i also showed that it is largely unimportant |
| 08:05.37 | Guerin | no, you didn't |
| 08:05.39 | wols | unlink: the only one who thinks it's unimportant is yourself. hardly shown |
| 08:05.53 | Guerin | you *said* it is largely unimportant, but that ain't the same as *showing* it |
| 08:06.02 | unlink | wols: whether other people believe me is irrelevant to whether its true |
| 08:06.07 | wols | unlink: if you really have installed from debian media you lied otherwise when I asked you if you had uninstalled exim. you said you didn't |
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| 08:06.11 | wols | either or. can't be both |
| 08:06.39 | unlink | wols: you're mistaken |
| 08:06.51 | unlink | wols: i both installed from debian media and never installed exim |
| 08:06.51 | wols | then tell me which media exactly please |
| 08:07.18 | unlink | testing netinst |
| 08:07.24 | unlink | i burned last month or so |
| 08:07.30 | Guerin | unlink: exim is installed by default on ALL debian systems |
| 08:07.33 | Guerin | !why exim |
| 08:07.36 | Guerin | !why exim4 |
| 08:07.37 | dpkg | http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
| 08:07.44 | Guerin | read why ā |
| 08:07.47 | unlink | i didn't select any tasks |
| 08:07.54 | unlink | i am convinced it's a good MTA |
| 08:08.00 | Guerin | don't matter |
| 08:08.10 | Guerin | it's installed on ALL systems as a BASE package. |
| 08:08.14 | Guerin | BY DEFAULT |
| 08:08.20 | tralala | one troll - one hour of flood in the channel. This one has ski11z |
| 08:08.32 | unlink | grep -ic exim /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 08:08.32 | unlink | 0 |
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| 08:08.57 | Guerin | then you a. aren't running debian or b. uninstalled it |
| 08:09.08 | Guerin | there is no c |
| 08:09.09 | unlink | it would be logged if i uninstalled it |
| 08:09.13 | Guerin | nope |
| 08:09.16 | Guerin | not necessarily |
| 08:09.41 | unlink | i suppose if i mounted the partition readonly or something it wouldn't be |
| 08:09.54 | jelly-home | Guerin: there's a c - install another mta. |
| 08:10.09 | wols | jelly-home: then he still had exim installed at least once |
| 08:10.14 | Guerin | jelly-home: that would constitute uninstalling exim4 |
| 08:10.18 | jelly-home | wols: that's true |
| 08:10.33 | Guerin | non-aptitude tools got logging quite recently |
| 08:10.33 | wols | unlink: simply put, your story doesn't add up |
| 08:10.35 | lancel00t | what kind of mileage have you gotten out of sid? |
| 08:10.45 | Guerin | lancel00t: it's not a car |
| 08:10.48 | Guerin | so not very much |
| 08:10.53 | wols | lancel00t: 0 litres on 100km |
| 08:10.56 | Guerin | i drove mine across town |
| 08:10.57 | Guerin | oh, wait |
| 08:11.03 | wols | and this forever. maybe I found a perpetuum mobile |
| 08:11.09 | lancel00t | wake up. `mileage' is a common technical term |
| 08:11.11 | Guerin | i had it on a laptop which i took from Korea to vietnam via china overland |
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| 08:11.38 | Guerin | so about 10,000km I suppose |
| 08:11.48 | wols | Guerin: I hope it wasn't sid doing the driving or flying? |
| 08:11.59 | Guerin | wols: no, we did make it in one piece |
| 08:12.02 | lancel00t | wow, what a shitty chan |
| 08:12.22 | Guerin | lancel00t: ask a shitty question, get shitty answers. What do you *actually* want to know? |
| 08:12.28 | wols | lancel00t: just rephrase your question to something sensible. and I don't mean the mileage part |
| 08:12.30 | unlink | wols: why don't you think so? |
| 08:12.32 | wols | ask something we CAN answer |
| 08:12.48 | Guerin | see, unlink is being philosophical again |
| 08:12.56 | wols | unlink: cause I know debian install media as do many other people here |
| 08:13.05 | unlink | wols: show me a package list for the etch netinst CD that has exim on the base install and i'll believe you |
| 08:13.08 | lancel00t | whats your personal experience with sid after a year or so of continuous use; if you make it that far. |
| 08:13.16 | wols | and I don't like exim4 either. and I user netinstalles (bootfloppies even only) |
| 08:13.26 | wols | and exim4 is always there and I have to replace it with postfix |
| 08:13.35 | wols | I don't run anything but the installer. no tasksel nothing |
| 08:13.39 | unlink | i have no reason to lie about this, but if i am mistaked i would like to know |
| 08:13.42 | Guerin | !tell lancel00t about sid faq |
| 08:13.50 | unlink | s/mistaked/mistaken |
| 08:13.50 | wols | lancel00t: that it breaks more or less regularly |
| 08:13.51 | Guerin | lancel00t: if you know what you're doing sid is usable, but it can break horribly |
| 08:14.00 | lancel00t | okay i've seen that i'm looking to converse with someone.... |
| 08:14.20 | Guerin | you often have to use it with testing and incoming, pinned properly, and that makes for extra hurt |
| 08:14.23 | tralala | lancel00t, my personal experience with sid after an year or so on #debian is that it breaks all the time causing the crybaby n00bs to come here sniffing |
| 08:14.42 | wols | tralala: not all the time! just more or less regularly |
| 08:15.01 | tralala | wols, I was talking about personal experience ;) |
| 08:15.01 | wols | and that one needs to know a bit about linux or debian to make it work reasonably well |
| 08:15.26 | dorel__ | ok seriously |
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| 08:15.38 | wols | dorel__: I am serious all the time |
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| 08:15.57 | lancel00t | okay. so my question is, if you have a brain and you track our dependencies will you mostly be okay? |
| 08:16.04 | lancel00t | you* |
| 08:16.09 | wols | our dependencies? |
| 08:16.11 | lancel00t | your* |
| 08:16.24 | Guerin | well, no |
| 08:16.41 | Guerin | you need a brain and quite a lot of apt-fu and often a lot of time on your hands |
| 08:16.47 | wols | no. sid packages break. they don't work as advertised. you fix them manually or wait til the maintainer fixes it |
| 08:17.01 | lancel00t | thats interesting. |
| 08:17.03 | wols | and as Guerin just said, that fixing and waiting can be very time consuming |
| 08:17.14 | unlink | lancel00t: sid tends to be more featureful and bleeding-edge than etch |
| 08:17.20 | unlink | lancel00t: s/etch/testing |
| 08:17.26 | wols | e.g. just right now there is a new apache2.2. it breaks with php5 packages |
| 08:17.34 | tralala | If you have brain and you need a computer that works you won't be using sid on it unless you're a developer/maintainer |
| 08:17.39 | wols | just doesn't work. main fix was: downgrade to apache2.0 again |
| 08:18.09 | dorel__ | im tired of it, i've tried dd'ing from one hd to another but the 2nd hd gets all these weird errors when i plug it to its original machine like bad inode and it cant find /dev/sdb2 to mount the / (root) partition |
| 08:18.09 | Guerin | it hurt |
| 08:18.12 | wols | now considr that apt cannot downgrade. you have to do all manually |
| 08:18.25 | unlink | anyone have experience with initng|runit|cinit or other optimized init-replacements? |
| 08:18.43 | Guerin | i tried initng on my laptop, never noticed any difference |
| 08:18.45 | wols | dorel__: same partition sizes? I'd only DD partitions |
| 08:18.53 | wols | not full disks |
| 08:18.53 | unlink | Guerin: a lot more colors, at the least |
| 08:18.56 | Guerin | about a year ago, when it was in experimental |
| 08:19.03 | Guerin | unlink: yeah, and faster bootup, iirc |
| 08:19.05 | unlink | still in experimental |
| 08:19.09 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 08:19.12 | unlink | Guerin: well, it breaks on my system |
| 08:19.13 | dorel__ | wols: they are 2 duplicate machines so yeah the hds are identical |
| 08:19.24 | unlink | had to go into single user to fix runit |
| 08:19.34 | dorel__ | wols: i tried dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb and then even just /dev/sda2 to /dev/sdb2 but seems like it didnt work\ |
| 08:19.43 | Guerin | init ain't broke so I don't really see a need to fix it |
| 08:19.47 | dorel__ | wols: im running fsck -y on /dev/sdb as we speak |
| 08:19.52 | lancel00t | thank you for the info |
| 08:19.52 | wols | dorel__: take md5sums of both hdds (first mounted all read only...) to check perhaps? |
| 08:19.55 | dorel__ | wols: a whole bunch of errors on it as it seems |
| 08:20.02 | wols | ick |
| 08:20.05 | unlink | Guerin: how long does initng take for you to start up? |
| 08:20.11 | wols | same errors on source machine? |
| 08:20.25 | Guerin | dorel__: fsck is worthless, it checks the fiulesystem, which is pointless if you're copying an existing partition over |
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| 08:20.43 | Guerin | dorel__: dd /dev/zero onto it and run badblocks |
| 08:21.07 | Guerin | unlink: dropped from about 1:20 to about 0:40 on a p2-233 laptop |
| 08:21.15 | unlink | oh |
| 08:21.21 | Guerin | unlink: from grub to login: |
| 08:21.37 | unlink | i'm talking more in the 15-30 second range |
| 08:21.47 | unlink | which is where file-rc gets me at the moment |
| 08:21.48 | Guerin | i was using a laptop from 1997 |
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| 08:22.24 | unlink | parallelizing bootup speeds things up significantly, especially since this machine can run multiple threads at once |
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| 08:23.18 | unlink | for some reason, it takes about 5 seconds before sata starts up |
| 08:23.19 | cydork | unlink: well debian will be getting a upstart soon. dont know if it will be default .. |
| 08:23.38 | unlink | is that possible/a good idea to hasten? |
| 08:23.44 | wols | cydork: probably not in etch |
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| 08:23.59 | cydork | wols: rather impossible in etch :P |
| 08:24.02 | unlink | cydork: what upstart? |
| 08:24.09 | Guerin | like x 7.1, that'll be etch +1 |
| 08:24.15 | wols | etch devs have enough to do already when you think what they have to do until release |
| 08:24.16 | cydork | !info upstart experimental |
| 08:24.18 | dpkg | upstart: (event-based init daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.7-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 08:24.35 | wols | that december looks longer and longer |
| 08:24.43 | wols | a 200 day december :) |
| 08:24.49 | cydork | wols: well they are still planning for Xorg 7.1, i dont know how they can manage that. |
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| 08:27.17 | vizor | hi peoples |
| 08:27.32 | phanter | hello people. I have a question |
| 08:27.41 | unlink | ask |
| 08:27.44 | wols | we're whole peoples now? wow |
| 08:27.46 | wols | :) |
| 08:27.58 | phanter | if I attacch an usb harddisk to a debian machine... where in /dev/ can I find it? |
| 08:28.14 | cydork | !tell phanter -about usb storage |
| 08:28.18 | Guerin | phanter: dmesg tells you |
| 08:28.21 | unlink | phanter: it might be /dev/sda, depending on your system configuration |
| 08:28.30 | vizor | or /dev/uba1 |
| 08:28.36 | unlink | phanter: check dmesg|tail |
| 08:28.45 | phanter | thanks :) |
| 08:28.47 | cydork | vizor: uba1?? which udev rule is that.. |
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| 08:28.50 | unlink | uba...*shudder* |
| 08:29.09 | wols | cydork: a bad one? |
| 08:29.15 | unlink | i've had more nightmares with the ub driver than any other (except maybe ipw3945, but that's not mainline) |
| 08:29.21 | dorel__ | wols: maybe i should try completely erasing/removing all sdb and then re-do the dd |
| 08:29.35 | wols | dd overwrites everything |
| 08:29.54 | Guerin | dorel__: run badblocks |
| 08:30.10 | cydork | wols: definately .. |
| 08:30.18 | Guerin | !definately |
| 08:30.18 | dpkg | Try definitely dumbass |
| 08:30.39 | cydork | !kiwismite Guerin |
| 08:31.03 | vizor | when the FireFox 2.0 package in debian? |
| 08:31.11 | vizor | will be relised |
| 08:31.14 | tralala | !wir |
| 08:31.14 | streuner | Guerin sometimes need that, so no worries ;-) |
| 08:31.14 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 08:31.16 | Guerin | vizor: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 08:31.35 | unlink | vizor: maybe sometime after it's been rebranded as iceweasel |
| 08:32.10 | jelly-home | !iceweasel |
| 08:32.10 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
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| 08:34.17 | vizor | ok thx |
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| 08:45.51 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 08:45.51 | dpkg | -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
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| 08:47.10 | unlink | how can i start gnome without using gnome-session? |
| 08:47.24 | unlink | like, just get nautilus, panels, window manager... basics |
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| 08:49.58 | Cometo | Does anybody use Lilo? |
| 08:50.10 | wols | !anyone use lilo |
| 08:50.10 | dpkg | No, no one uses lilo, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:50.17 | wols | ask your real question please |
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| 08:51.07 | Cometo | Well i just wanted to know, If there is a reason to use lilo. E.g. Slackware uses lilo .... |
| 08:51.19 | unlink | it's very easy to set up |
| 08:51.26 | beardy | Cometo: Of course there is, it exists. |
| 08:51.29 | Guerin | Cometo: ask patrick wolkerding? |
| 08:51.34 | unlink | and quite mature |
| 08:51.35 | Guerin | s/w/v/ |
| 08:51.50 | Guerin | lilo also understands more filesystems than grub |
| 08:51.58 | Guerin | but grub is overall more betterere |
| 08:51.59 | wols | Guerin: which ones? |
| 08:52.05 | beardy | Cometo: It doesn't bork when multibooting the crapos. |
| 08:52.05 | Guerin | wols: xfs, for one |
| 08:52.12 | beardy | crap-OS |
| 08:52.13 | wols | Guerin: grub works fine with xfs |
| 08:52.15 | tralala | Cometo, if you need something that grub cannot do then you should give lilo a thought. Otherwise just use grub. |
| 08:52.21 | Guerin | wols: hm, used to not |
| 08:52.29 | Guerin | wols: on /boot? |
| 08:52.37 | wols | beardy: grub works fine for several crap oses, better than lilo did |
| 08:52.53 | beardy | wols: Not for me when Iast had to. |
| 08:53.11 | beardy | when Ķ |
| 08:53.12 | cydork | wols: not with /boot on xfs |
| 08:53.15 | beardy | bah.. |
| 08:53.18 | beardy | when +I |
| 08:53.19 | wols | Guerin: xfs_stage1_5 |
| 08:53.22 | Guerin | and grub worked fine then |
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| 08:53.28 | wols | cydork: it does |
| 08:53.47 | Guerin | wols: well, it historically didn't. |
| 08:53.53 | Guerin | I suppose development is possible, |
| 08:53.53 | cydork | wols: hmm i might give it go again.. |
| 08:53.57 | wols | beardy: I had wintendo, 2k and linux on the same disk. wanted to boot all from the same boot menu. lilo couldn't do it. grub could |
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| 08:54.15 | wols | the only downside of grub is the install. it stinks |
| 08:54.17 | Cometo | well i'll stay with gurb |
| 08:54.22 | wols | after you get it installed it's bliss |
| 08:54.24 | beardy | wols: That's nice. What's the difference between wintendo and 2k? |
| 08:54.33 | tralala | Cometo, wise thought |
| 08:54.35 | yang | what kind of musical format is .ape? |
| 08:54.45 | Guerin | yang: a really shit one |
| 08:54.51 | wols | no matter what people in here say, 2k is an OS. not a secure OS but an OS. wintendo is a toy |
| 08:55.01 | wols | yang: monkey audio |
| 08:55.07 | Guerin | yang: monkey's audio, a very cpu-intensive non-free lossless codec far inferior to flac |
| 08:55.13 | beardy | !confuse wols |
| 08:55.14 | dpkg | Yes, what are your weasel tomorrow, wols? breeches of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra cheese |
| 08:55.18 | tralala | yang, it's the debian propriarity patented music format |
| 08:55.27 | wols | beardy: wintendo is 9x |
| 08:55.39 | Guerin | tralala: you mean the oxymoron oxymoron format? That's oof. |
| 08:55.59 | beardy | wols: It's all fucking crap. |
| 08:56.33 | tralala | Guerin, don't use these philological slang on me! |
| 08:56.45 | beardy | And anyway, grub didn't do what I wanted one time, period. |
| 08:56.56 | wols | tralala: his ediucashion was expensive. he needs to use it once in a while |
| 08:57.08 | tralala | wols, bwahahaha |
| 08:57.11 | wols | beardy: as did lilo for me. which is when I switched to grub :) |
| 08:57.14 | cydork | wols: hehe |
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| 08:58.11 | Guerin | wols: still is expensive, damnit |
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| 08:58.23 | Guerin | ain't paid for a bit of it yet and I'm STILL racking it up |
| 08:58.43 | wols | unis are poor. need money |
| 08:58.50 | Guerin | so true |
| 08:58.53 | wols | mo' money! |
| 08:59.10 | wols | germany no gets fees. 500EUR pre semester usually |
| 08:59.24 | Guerin | still, $30k for a world-class education ain't all that bad |
| 08:59.30 | wols | so the state can now give them even less |
| 08:59.35 | Guerin | bah, lucky |
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| 08:59.51 | Zap-W | is it just me or debian dosent use a /etc/modprobe.conf file |
| 08:59.56 | wols | we also have healthcare for all citizen |
| 09:00.04 | wols | we're past the middle ages you know :) |
| 09:00.06 | Guerin | it was about $2-3 per semester when I was undergrad in the 90s, now it's more like $3-5 |
| 09:00.18 | cydork | hehe, any one having etch run this. head -n 1 /etc/udev/links.conf |
| 09:00.21 | wols | 3$? wow that's cheap |
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| 09:00.27 | Guerin | ls: /etc/modprobe.conf: No such file or directory |
| 09:00.28 | tralala | Guerin, but you've written so much in the last couple of hours! Can't you just present them with your irc log? |
| 09:00.37 | Guerin | Zap-W: not on my sid box |
| 09:00.59 | Guerin | tralala: i'm not doing an MA in irc free software support, sadly |
| 09:01.04 | wols | Zap-W: you running etch or later? |
| 09:01.16 | Guerin | wols: sorry, thousands |
| 09:01.20 | Guerin | wols: of $NZ |
| 09:01.25 | Zap-W | wols: i am running sarge |
| 09:01.35 | beardy | Guerin: I wonder if that's possible? |
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| 09:01.37 | Zap-W | there is a /etc/modprobe.d dir |
| 09:01.43 | wols | how much is this in real money? 3USD (oh wait, that's not real money anymore either...) |
| 09:02.11 | wols | Zap-W: either 2.4 or 2.6 is using it afaik. something like that. the other isn't |
| 09:02.29 | tralala | Zap-W, man modprobe |
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| 09:03.01 | Guerin | beardy: hell yeah, easy. Anthropology, sociology, psychology, media studies. |
| 09:03.11 | tralala | wols, it's related to the the modprobe version and not the kernel version iinm |
| 09:03.12 | Guerin | beardy: but I'm doing polisci |
| 09:03.32 | Guerin | wols: a NZ$ is abouthalf a euro |
| 09:03.33 | cydork | Zap-W: actually run man 5 modprobe.conf |
| 09:04.13 | Guerin | Zap-W: not on my sarge box either |
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| 09:05.26 | beardy | Right, so there is a modprobe.conf manpage, but the file is not used? |
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| 09:05.49 | beardy | !tell root -about root |
| 09:06.25 | Zap-W | weird |
| 09:06.44 | Zap-W | i do have a /etc/modules file that one is still in use |
| 09:06.51 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:06.56 | Guerin | that's definitely in use |
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| 09:07.44 | idanimrod | hello, i wanna start using debian, does it have backports? can i install ff2 and newer apps on it? |
| 09:07.56 | beardy | The entire thing with modules is IMO a bit messed up.. with /etc/modules, modprobe, modconf and so on,udev, hotplug, and which of them is used in which version of Debian, and which version of the kenrel. |
| 09:08.15 | idanimrod | and i mean stable, not unstable |
| 09:08.15 | cydork | beardy: it uses modprobe.conf or modprobe.d we use the latter.. |
| 09:08.25 | beardy | cydork: Yes. |
| 09:08.51 | Guerin | idanimrod: generally yes; I don't know about specific programs such as ff2 |
| 09:09.05 | Guerin | idanimrod: but they will emerge in time; ff2 only got released a week ago. |
| 09:09.16 | idanimrod | oh ok |
| 09:09.20 | idanimrod | can it be used on stable? |
| 09:09.42 | idanimrod | what about newer gnome versions? do i have to wait till the next release? or switch to unstable? |
| 09:09.44 | Zap-W | is it still required to add a /proc/bus/usb usbfs entry in /etc/fstab after hotplug and udev? |
| 09:09.47 | Guerin | idanimrod: the mozilla.org binaries might, you'd need to try them. But also see backports.org and elsewhere |
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| 09:10.10 | Guerin | idanimrod: you could use testing. But check backports.org. |
| 09:10.40 | idanimrod | hmm well, i think i'll go with stable , i don't wanna risk with testing |
| 09:10.51 | tralala | Zap-W, debian takes care for the fstab entities that are needed |
| 09:10.54 | Guerin | idanimrod: sensible. |
| 09:11.01 | idanimrod | sarge comes with gnome 2.12? |
| 09:11.16 | Guerin | idanimrod: stick with 100% stable at first ... upgrade bits and pieces gradually only if you must |
| 09:11.30 | idanimrod | that's what i plan to do |
| 09:11.33 | Guerin | idanimrod: yes, sarge was released in 2004 |
| 09:11.40 | idanimrod | i'm using ubuntu atm, and i wanna switch to the REAL DEAL |
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| 09:11.42 | Guerin | 2005? |
| 09:11.46 | tralala | 2005, perhaps |
| 09:11.47 | Guerin | damn, I can't remember. |
| 09:11.58 | c00lfon | In 06.200, afair. |
| 09:12.00 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 09:12.01 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 09:12.09 | beardy | !sarge |
| 09:12.09 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 09:12.13 | Guerin | it took THAT fucking long to release I don't actually know |
| 09:12.15 | idanimrod | isn't there a new stable version going to be released soon? |
| 09:12.17 | c00lfon | ;-> |
| 09:12.22 | Zap-W | tralala: is /proc/bus/usb usbfs still needed? |
| 09:12.25 | Guerin | idanimrod: yeah, scheduled for december |
| 09:12.27 | beardy | !etch |
| 09:12.28 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 09:12.30 | beardy | idanimrod: ^^ |
| 09:12.38 | idanimrod | beardy? |
| 09:12.42 | idanimrod | hmm next month |
| 09:12.49 | idanimrod | and i suppose upgrades are a breeze? |
| 09:12.49 | tralala | Zap-W, no |
| 09:12.53 | idanimrod | unlike ubuntu's ? x.x |
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| 09:13.00 | beardy | If you don't get that, you don't get it.. |
| 09:13.50 | c00lfon | In next month we've to upgrade sarge->etch?! |
| 09:13.50 | beardy | Yeah right. |
| 09:13.50 | Guerin | c00lfon: no. |
| 09:13.51 | wols | idanimrod: debian has a very good track record there, so I'd say yes |
| 09:13.51 | idanimrod | track record? |
| 09:13.54 | wols | c00lfon: oldstable will be supported for 6 months-1 year after release of a new stable |
| 09:14.01 | Guerin | c00lfon: it may be late, and in any case you'll have security support on sarge for a year or so |
| 09:14.08 | wols | idanimrod: debian has been consistenlty good in the past |
| 09:14.12 | Cometo | When will be FF2 released in testing? |
| 09:14.15 | idanimrod | oh cool |
| 09:14.22 | wols | !wir Cometo |
| 09:14.22 | lunitik | Cometo: never |
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| 09:14.26 | lunitik | !iceweasel |
| 09:14.26 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 09:14.30 | Cometo | why? |
| 09:14.33 | beardy | !wir |
| 09:14.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 09:14.42 | Cometo | okay iceweasel |
| 09:14.43 | idanimrod | hmm |
| 09:14.46 | peterrooney | Guerin: hey, there's still security updates for woody, aren't there? |
| 09:14.58 | Cometo | but iceweasel based on FF2? |
| 09:15.02 | wols | peterrooney: I thought they stopped |
| 09:15.03 | c00lfon | mhm, ta. |
| 09:15.10 | wols | Cometo: FF2 with another name |
| 09:15.16 | wols | and another icon |
| 09:15.24 | Cometo | okay |
| 09:15.37 | tralala | Cometo, you have three urls above where you can read about iceweasel |
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| 09:16.07 | lunitik | tralala: to be fair... only 2... because the gnuzilla stuff isn't the same, as it says |
| 09:16.44 | Guerin | peterrooney: yes, sporadically. |
| 09:16.47 | tralala | lunitik, not for the moment, as it says |
| 09:16.47 | gebruiker | hello all. I created a script that changes the hostname at bootup, how ever I don't want it to run when the system reboots or changes to some runlevel other then the startupt level, how do I do this? |
| 09:16.48 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom PomĀ² all |
| 09:16.56 | Cometo | I know that about iceweasel und icedove. Will FF1.5 be replaced by iceweasel> |
| 09:17.10 | Guerin | yes |
| 09:17.30 | Cometo | thx |
| 09:17.50 | lunitik | Ahhh... "Also, they distribute non-free software as plug-ins." stated as a flaw of Firefox.... so, they're gonna make it harder to get plugins working? :S |
| 09:17.51 | wols | gebruiker: a reboot entails a bootup |
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| 09:18.08 | peterrooney | wols: Guerin: /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_woody_updates_main_binary-powerpc_Release shows Oct 25 date |
| 09:18.25 | idanimrod | is netinstall difficult? |
| 09:18.25 | peterrooney | so, yes, sporadic. |
| 09:18.26 | Guerin | peterrooney: yes. |
| 09:18.31 | unlink | idanimrod: no |
| 09:18.39 | idanimrod | what exactly does it install? |
| 09:18.41 | Guerin | gebruiker: make it run in init 1 |
| 09:18.47 | idanimrod | just minimal stuff? |
| 09:18.49 | Guerin | !runlevels |
| 09:18.50 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
| 09:18.51 | unlink | idanimrod: what you tell it to |
| 09:18.55 | lunitik | idanimrod: at the moment, etch netinst methods are apparently |
| 09:19.10 | idanimrod | apparently? |
| 09:19.10 | beardy | !factinfo runlevels |
| 09:19.10 | dpkg | runlevels -- last modified at Tue Sep 19 20:38:50 2006 by enouf!n=stompthe@ool-44c66c29.dyn.optonline.net; it has been requested 8 times, last by Guerin, 20s ago. |
| 09:19.11 | Guerin | or is 0 the one which runs before 1, I forget |
| 09:19.20 | beardy | Hmm |
| 09:19.26 | lunitik | idanimrod: last I heard they are broken |
| 09:19.27 | idanimrod | hmm so the installer looks like the regular debian installer? |
| 09:19.34 | idanimrod | broken? |
| 09:19.38 | idanimrod | how so? |
| 09:20.03 | lunitik | idanimrod: they are changing the archive in some manor for the next release, and its incompatible with the current installer |
| 09:20.21 | lunitik | idanimrod: to use etch netinst images, you'll have to wait until RC1 |
| 09:20.30 | idanimrod | oh ok |
| 09:20.46 | Guerin | manner |
| 09:20.53 | idanimrod | hmm and if i wanna do a regular install |
| 09:20.59 | Guerin | a manor is a big english country house |
| 09:21.00 | lunitik | idanimrod: I think RC1 will default to the new graphical installer though... so worth the wait perhaps :) |
| 09:21.16 | Guerin | where you go to shoot grouse, and say 'wot, old boy?' |
| 09:21.18 | lunitik | Guerin: shuddup, show off... its 2:30am here |
| 09:21.18 | idanimrod | well i can always go etch and upgrade |
| 09:21.20 | idanimrod | can't i? |
| 09:21.34 | lunitik | idanimrod: s/and/via/ yes |
| 09:21.45 | idanimrod | s/and/via? |
| 09:21.46 | lunitik | s/upgrade/dist-upgrade/ |
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| 09:21.58 | idanimrod | gotcha |
| 09:22.07 | lunitik | "well I can always go etch via dist-upgrade ... can't I" |
| 09:22.09 | lunitik | yes |
| 09:22.15 | idanimrod | is 3.1-r3 the newest stable ver? |
| 09:22.21 | lunitik | idanimrod: yes |
| 09:22.23 | idanimrod | ok thanx |
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| 09:22.38 | beardy | gebruiker: Debian doesn't care much about runlevels. I'd do that with an @reboot cronjob, involving runlevel(1) to do what I want. |
| 09:23.01 | idanimrod | thanx for everything |
| 09:23.26 | Guerin | !pixiessmite idanimrod |
| 09:23.49 | beardy | gebruiker: That is, a script run in an @reboot cronjob, in root's crontab. |
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| 09:24.37 | beardy | However, cron is not started in runlevel 1, so forget about what I said.. |
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| 09:25.40 | gebruiker | beardy, well, at reboot would be fine to... |
| 09:25.53 | gebruiker | or no actually not |
| 09:25.57 | gebruiker | it has to be at boot |
| 09:26.29 | Guerin | gebruiker: Runlevel S is used to initialize the system |
| 09:26.30 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.32 | gebruiker | and it has to be executed asap, the script changes the hostname and invokes a first-time-bootup script |
| 09:26.40 | Guerin | gebruiker: from 'man init' which you were told to read. |
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| 09:27.19 | tralala | additionaly you might want to read man update-rc.d and /etc/init.d/skeleton for init scripts |
| 09:27.26 | lunitik | Does anyone know how badly IceWeasel is likely to break plugins? I like it when plugins work :( |
| 09:28.01 | Guerin | then use the mozilla.org binaries |
| 09:28.05 | lunitik | Also, is it likely to eventually lead to a similar situation to XFree86? Or is it much more localized this time? :) |
| 09:28.14 | Guerin | they're the only target guaranteed to work with plugins |
| 09:28.29 | wols | what situation? |
| 09:28.36 | wols | with xfree86 I mean |
| 09:28.40 | Guerin | lunitik: no, mozilla will remain relevant and will still control development |
| 09:29.20 | wols | I doubt it's a stated goal in any way |
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| 09:29.50 | lunitik | wols: GnuZilla site states plugins for proprietary things as a flaw of mainstream Firefox... |
| 09:29.50 | wols | I'd guess it will be like the debian kernel |
| 09:30.08 | lunitik | wols: ? |
| 09:30.26 | wols | sure. that's GNU for you |
| 09:30.34 | wols | debian still ships nvidia in a way |
| 09:30.40 | wols | it still ships ati |
| 09:31.02 | wols | you won't have a installed flash plugin from the go in debian, but I very much doubt they hinder you to get it |
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| 09:31.20 | wols | same for PDF, Java,etc |
| 09:31.33 | wols | is there any plugin which is Free? |
| 09:31.36 | lunitik | wols: true... |
| 09:31.42 | GNAM | Amarok is commercially involved in magnatune.com online music store. |
| 09:31.44 | tralala | wols, mplayer plugin |
| 09:31.55 | lunitik | GNAM: thats bad? |
| 09:32.00 | GNAM | Is not it a form of violation of debianism? |
| 09:32.02 | wols | GNAM: as long as the software is DFSG compliant this is no issue for debian |
| 09:32.06 | GNAM | ok |
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| 09:32.20 | wols | and as long as the software is GPLed GNU won't care either |
| 09:32.35 | lunitik | GNAM: its not illegal or against Debian in some way to make money :/ |
| 09:32.39 | wols | money making is fine with both. Their beef is only with software being Free that's all |
| 09:32.40 | tralala | GNAM - the debian snitch! |
| 09:32.41 | lunitik | Bills don't go away |
| 09:32.45 | amphi | GNAM: magnatune are pretty decent, or they were - let you d/l ok quality mp3s |
| 09:33.38 | wols | lunitik: if you GPL the software and abide by the GPL, you can demand a million dollars per download. neither debian or gnu care about that |
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| 09:34.03 | lunitik | wols: true... although I'm not sure thats a good business decision :P |
| 09:34.07 | wols | e.g you can sell debian cds for any amount you want. you can provide support for any amount |
| 09:34.22 | wols | well the business model would be terminally flawed but possible :) |
| 09:34.32 | wols | legally speaking |
| 09:34.42 | lunitik | wols: yes... only restriction is that you can't charge for the code itself... only services around that code... I'm aware... ;) |
| 09:35.06 | tralala | you can't hide hour changes but you surely can change the source |
| 09:35.09 | tralala | your |
| 09:35.15 | wols | you can charge for the code. or was the "reasonable amount" thing for duplication striked out? |
| 09:35.35 | wols | no one cares if you charge a dollar for a source CD if you gave the binary as a CD too |
| 09:35.39 | lunitik | wols: you can charge for media and services... not the code |
| 09:35.47 | wols | true |
| 09:35.47 | tralala | oh, that was "charge"... |
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| 09:37.20 | tralala | and you don't really charge for media -you just cover your shipping expenses |
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| 09:38.03 | lunitik | tralala: I think it says something about "reasonable amount not exceeding price of media" or something... maybe thats just for shipping of source code? |
| 09:38.43 | lunitik | wols: care to enlighten me there? |
| 09:38.45 | cydork | lunitik: the price of media is included afaik. |
| 09:39.10 | wols | shipping or CD or similar yes. even a minimal labour thing has been acceptable in the past |
| 09:39.41 | tralala | http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html |
| 09:39.54 | wols | the way it's been used in practice is that if you distribute it per internet, you also provide source in the same way |
| 09:40.02 | tralala | try searching for "cost" and you'll find all the relevant parts |
| 09:40.04 | wols | if you sell CDs or tape, you just include source |
| 09:40.05 | lunitik | wols: its just for the source though right? not the resulting binaries? (which you can charge any fee for...) |
| 09:40.11 | amphi | lunitik: if it's available on the net, you can charge what you like for shipping media, I think; of course, you can't stop someone else shipping media for less |
| 09:40.28 | wols | it is a bit grey area I think but those two ways are easy for all involved parties and have rarely led to trouble |
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| 09:41.04 | wols | basically: if you give someone a binary of the program, you're responsible to give them source too if he asks |
| 09:41.09 | wols | that's all the GPL says |
| 09:41.19 | wols | the terms of giving the source is the above |
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| 09:41.50 | wols | if you have written GPL software, and I have not a binary of that software, then you are not obliged to give me anything |
| 09:42.02 | wols | it only comes into force as soon as you give me a binary |
| 09:42.07 | wols | in any way |
| 09:42.21 | cydork | wols: not necesorrily.. |
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| 09:42.48 | cydork | s/necesorrily/necessarily / |
| 09:42.55 | tralala | oracle is definitely trying to compete with redhat. Time will show if they will be able to do it. |
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| 09:43.14 | Acke_ubu | Hey guys, im tryng to understand gnu gpg. I have generated a public key with gpg --gen-key. Is that key all someone would need to encrypt and send the file to me. or is there aditional steps i need to take? |
| 09:43.16 | wols | GPL is as non legal as you can get imho |
| 09:43.24 | wols | it's a very good license in that regard |
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| 09:43.25 | tralala | btw there's already a distro based on rhel sources |
| 09:43.29 | lunitik | tralala: Competition is one thing... but a straight slap in the face? I'm not sure... |
| 09:43.36 | wols | tralala: there are lots :) |
| 09:43.44 | lunitik | tralala: None that provide any kind of support |
| 09:43.55 | wols | lunitik: CentOS? |
| 09:43.56 | tralala | lunitik, what do you mean "slap in the face"? How are the slapping them? |
| 09:44.11 | tralala | that's right CentOS! |
| 09:44.15 | lunitik | wols: they don't give support... |
| 09:44.33 | wols | lunitik: debian doesn't either then |
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| 09:44.53 | wols | I mean they shadow RH. if RH hands out a security fix, so does CentOS, no? |
| 09:45.18 | wols | they can't give guarantees of support like RH does of course, but neither does debian |
| 09:45.39 | lunitik | tralala: Red Hat has based their business model around GPL, and that same license MIGHT cause them to go out of business... in my opinion thats somewhat of a slap in the face... Red Hat is really the only pure open source enterprise linux around... |
| 09:46.00 | lunitik | wols: I wouldn't say Debian is supported, no... not in the same way.... |
| 09:46.41 | wols | if you truly want debian support you must pay someone else. THere are a few companies who do that |
| 09:46.59 | lunitik | wols: you can't call Debian and have a support technician help fix your issue, or send someone out to fix it for you etc.... |
| 09:47.04 | tralala | lunitik, they are what they are because they were able to use the work of many others. Now the time has come for somebody else to use their work in the same fasion. |
| 09:47.20 | tralala | and this is *good* |
| 09:47.23 | Xteven | Hi, is there a way to update a single repository listing with apt-get update, untill it succeeds ? I get connection reset by peer on security.debian.org sometimes... |
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| 09:47.40 | wols | I doubt oracle is the first corp that gives RH support. that's basically all Oracle does |
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| 09:48.04 | tralala | the game is services, not software. It is good to have a competing serivce - this will drive the cost down and will give choice to the customers |
| 09:48.06 | lunitik | Do they really care about Linux? I don't know |
| 09:48.13 | wols | imho Oracle's decision makes only sense if they want to change their fork in the future to support Oracle DB better. |
| 09:48.23 | wols | and at that point all they are is another mandrake or whateevr |
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| 09:48.49 | lunitik | wols: with a little more money behind them... they can afford to give decent support for pennies... |
| 09:48.51 | wols | Oracle cares about their bottomline, not Linux |
| 09:48.57 | davut | hi, is there a problem with security.debian.org mirror |
| 09:48.57 | lunitik | Thats dangerous for Red Hat |
| 09:49.05 | davut | I cannot apt-get update |
| 09:50.02 | wols | well, is solaries supported for pennies? is AIX? |
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| 09:50.09 | wols | I'm not really troubled there |
| 09:50.29 | tralala | lunitik, they cannot do price dumping - it's illegal. I'd rather be worried about the RH's customers than the RH itself. |
| 09:50.44 | wols | FreeBSD has "lost" I don't see them gaining again |
| 09:51.20 | lunitik | wols: can you see Linux gaining in pretty much any area without Red Hat? Red Hat seems to be the guiding force in many ways... |
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| 09:51.45 | wols | yes. there is still IBM. and if RH can hold out a little longer, there might be Sun too |
| 09:51.56 | ryushe | morning folks, anyone here know anything about the status of the libapache2-mod-auth-mysql package in combination with apache2.2? Seems the auth-mysql package has dissappeared from the repositories .. |
| 09:52.05 | Zap-W | i like lesbian , never tried FreeLSD |
| 09:52.08 | wols | sooner or later they can't sustain their own OS indefinitely. Linux will kill off all other proprietary Linuxes effectively |
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| 09:52.29 | wols | ryushe: mods had lots of problems with 2.2. that's probably why |
| 09:52.37 | lunitik | wols: can their be a proprietary Linux? or you mean Unix? |
| 09:52.39 | ryushe | bah |
| 09:52.45 | wols | lunitik: oops. yes |
| 09:52.53 | ]Gnea[ | sco :) |
| 09:53.02 | wols | basically except *BSD, Linux and niches, all will be dead |
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| 09:53.09 | wols | ]Gnea[: good one :) |
| 09:53.24 | lunitik | wols: I think Sun will start to release things as GPL eventually... including Solaris... and start moving that into Linux where it's beneficial.... |
| 09:53.24 | ]Gnea[ | wols: yeah, they saw to their own demise long ago |
| 09:53.43 | wols | lunitik: yes. but it effectively ends Solaris |
| 09:53.53 | lunitik | wols: indeed |
| 09:54.00 | wols | Makes the most sense for Sun: helps saving money. SOmething they're in dire need |
| 09:54.25 | ]Gnea[ | lunitik: i'm not sure about that... Sun's got their own 'open' license, in the sense that BSD has their own open license.. although it'd be interesting to see Sun do a full meld with the GPL at some point... maybe GPLv6 ;) |
| 09:54.25 | wols | Darwin is a *BSD :) |
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| 09:54.34 | jeffrin | hello all |
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| 09:54.51 | Guerin | ]Gnea[: can you say heat-death of the universe? |
| 09:54.54 | tralala | the uniq technology of running monolythic kernel on top of microkernel perhaps? |
| 09:55.02 | ]Gnea[ | Guerin: what about it? :) |
| 09:55.07 | Guerin | ]Gnea[: Sun would be a supernova before that happens |
| 09:55.12 | ]Gnea[ | LMFAO |
| 09:55.13 | Guerin | and not the rock star kind |
| 09:55.17 | jeffrin | which library can handle acme_volume_oss_get_type |
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| 09:55.49 | wols | Guerin: money. it's all about money. Sun is not making money on a free OS |
| 09:55.49 | lunitik | ]Gnea[: I think GPLv3 will be be what brings Sun to GPL... especially if Linus continues being stubborn, because GPLv2 is incompatible with GPLv3 |
| 09:55.55 | jeffrin | or how to find it out |
| 09:56.17 | lunitik | Linux says "GPL v2 or later" though, so could be interesting |
| 09:56.18 | wols | on the other hand, their boxes are perceived to be too expensive compared to others. on part of the cost of those boxes is SOlaris since it can't make money on its own (solaris that is) |
| 09:56.41 | ]Gnea[ | lunitik: time will tell |
| 09:56.42 | tralala | lunitik, it does *not* |
| 09:56.54 | wols | so if the public continues to think their boxes are overpriced, they have to dump solaris eventually. unless they want to be SGI v2.0 |
| 09:57.03 | lunitik | tralala: umm... last I checked, it did :/ |
| 09:57.34 | lunitik | wols: isn't SGI still *technically* alive and kicking as a Linux company now? |
| 09:57.43 | tralala | lunitik, Linus himself says linux is v2 *only* |
| 09:57.47 | ]Gnea[ | wols: well if they can come up with a decent technical support group for it.... so far, i've seen some really good support groups centered around RH products |
| 09:57.56 | wols | Guerin: I agree with you that they won't like it at all. they will scream, they should, they whine. but I don't see another way out |
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| 09:58.35 | wols | ]Gnea[: the question for me is: can they attract a viable developer community for solaris? apart from schilling that is :) |
| 09:58.48 | ]Gnea[ | wols: doubtful :) |
| 09:58.50 | CaT[tm] | does anyone know if cdparanoia takes into account pregaps when it rips a whole cd into a continuous file? |
| 09:58.58 | wols | ]Gnea[: exactly my thinking |
| 09:59.03 | lunitik | wols: who's Schilling? |
| 09:59.09 | ]Gnea[ | CaT[tm]: it probably does if you tell it to |
| 09:59.18 | tralala | CaT[tm], does the manual know? |
| 09:59.20 | wols | and that's why they will merge. sooner or later. Later knowing sun, but merge they will |
| 09:59.20 | CaT[tm] | no option for it. |
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| 09:59.35 | ]Gnea[ | wols: i ain't holding my breath ;) |
| 09:59.39 | wols | lunitik: cdrecord author and a lunatic. real loony |
| 09:59.39 | CaT[tm] | tra: the manual does not address my query closely enough for my tastes |
| 10:00.00 | wols | ]Gnea[: chapter 11 does a lot of things even to big companies :) |
| 10:00.15 | ]Gnea[ | wols: heh |
| 10:00.49 | unlink | how do you see your CPU usage if you have 2 cpus? |
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| 10:00.53 | unlink | just the %s |
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| 10:01.47 | tralala | as long as you can maintain a customer lock you don't have to worry about your competition |
| 10:01.48 | lunitik | They eventually dropped CDE... they'll drop Solaris too one day :) |
| 10:02.25 | wols | tralala: you can't maintain a customer lock with opteron boxes and overpriced SPARC CPUs :) |
| 10:02.33 | lunitik | tralala: I don't really believe there is any lock with Solaris.... and causing one would pretty much throw their advertising out the window |
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| 10:02.59 | wols | ON the SPARC front they have the same problem as in software: hard to compete with intel. CPU making is a large fixcost and only pennies per unit |
| 10:03.07 | davut | I have a problem with debian security updates |
| 10:03.26 | davut | Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/non-free Packages |
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| 10:03.28 | wols | lunitik: there still is a technical "lock". Solaris is better than linux for many big iron stuff |
| 10:03.35 | wols | but Linux is catching up fast |
| 10:03.50 | jeffrin | what is the command to search a library |
| 10:03.52 | wols | and Sun can't match the R&D billions that are poured into Linux |
| 10:03.53 | davut | what does this mean |
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| 10:04.15 | tralala | wols, true - I can't. I don't know about what others can, though :) |
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| 10:04.29 | lunitik | wols: IBM and Oracle are using Linux for their Grid computing initiatives... I find it hard to believe Sun can compete with them for the long haul.... |
| 10:04.48 | tralala | jeffrin, what library? |
| 10:04.48 | c_k | Hi guys, using ntpdate package how can you stipulate a server to get the time from? I have an internal network with no Internet access and I want to get the current date and time from a internal ntp server? |
| 10:04.59 | wols | lunitik: for enterprise computing solaris is still better. but as I said: eroding |
| 10:05.09 | lunitik | wols: ahh I pretty much restated your R&D statement |
| 10:05.13 | wols | c_k: ntpdate <server> |
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| 10:05.28 | c_k | cheers trying that now |
| 10:05.32 | tralala | CaT[tm], /etc/default/ntpdate |
| 10:05.38 | tralala | erm, c_k |
| 10:06.39 | tralala | by having a headstart? |
| 10:06.45 | wols | lunitik: yes they can. BECAUSE they are all companies |
| 10:06.52 | wols | just look at Xorg |
| 10:07.02 | wols | it was "supported" by everyone and died a horrible death |
| 10:07.06 | wols | heck Unix itself did |
| 10:07.09 | c_k | done cheers guy just edited /etc/default/ntpdate file to use the right server and restarted deamon all good cheers |
| 10:07.57 | lunitik | XFree86 and UNIX both made dumb mistakes... everyone forked them, and no one tried to work together... GPL ensures they HAVE to... |
| 10:07.58 | wols | Not XFree. X consortium |
| 10:08.38 | tralala | that's what people do - mistakes |
| 10:08.40 | wols | the new Xorg isn't the old one. all that'S similar is the name |
| 10:08.51 | tralala | and linux is also run by people, btw |
| 10:09.03 | lunitik | wols: I think X.org is still badly licensed, but right now, no one seems to mind because there is a lot of work being done... X Consortium also made bad decisions that were similar... |
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| 10:09.20 | wols | and to be a bit trollish or totally OT: I doubt Linux will ever "win" over Windows :) |
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| 10:09.37 | lunitik | I think if everyone benefits enough, that situation will be fine... but if it gets like XFree86 again, then many people will fork again, and make a big ol' mess |
| 10:09.49 | Guerin | wols: yet it will beat all the other unices |
| 10:10.01 | wols | Guerin: it will |
| 10:10.01 | Sonderblade | i have a path like /etc/X11/xorg.conf, how can i find out which package that have installed that path? |
| 10:10.11 | Guerin | wols: inconsistent |
| 10:10.18 | wols | Sonderblade: dpkg -S |
| 10:10.19 | tralala | wols, well a screwdriver will never win over a hammer, but it also doesn't need to |
| 10:10.27 | wols | Sonderblade: but doesn't work with config files |
| 10:10.28 | lunitik | wols: I think, if enough of the big companies care, it will |
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| 10:10.39 | wols | Guerin: Unix never beat Windows/DOS either |
| 10:10.51 | g4m | Wondering if someone could help me out, i'm having a problem it seems that i can't configure libc6 which in turn is breaking all my apt-get install attempts, i get the following error: debconf: delaying package configuration, since apt-utils is not installed, as well as "update-rc.d: not present yet." |
| 10:10.58 | jelly-home | !etch pool |
| 10:10.59 | dpkg | etch pool is, like, Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
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| 10:11.17 | Sonderblade | wols: dpkg -S /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't work |
| 10:11.19 | lunitik | wols: if Dell got their heads out of Microsoft's ass, and HP and IBM committed to Linux more... it would happen |
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| 10:11.47 | wols | lunitik: if companies would like to lose money (even in the short run only)... I can talk fairytales too |
| 10:11.58 | tralala | lunitik, linux is substantially different that windows and the goal is *not* to make it the same |
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| 10:12.23 | lunitik | wols: I think the only reason Windows can not be defeated right now is because its installed by default on low end cheap hardware.... |
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| 10:12.40 | lunitik | tralala: *shrug* Linus states his motivation is the desktop |
| 10:12.51 | wols | lunitik: and cause many many people work for windows doing the work for MS. drivers. support. etc |
| 10:12.53 | Guerin | itym, because it's the only thing that even remotely works on low-end cheap hardware |
| 10:13.08 | wols | lunitik: HIS desktop. not mom's necessarily |
| 10:13.42 | wols | Guerin: there is no reason linux wouldn't work on it too. Linux could use winmodems too. If it should is another thing altogether |
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| 10:13.51 | lunitik | wols: Reading some of his interviews etc... when it comes to GUI's, I don't think its a huge difference :P |
| 10:14.02 | wols | heh |
| 10:14.45 | wols | yes. he's a great kernel/system developer by now. but anything else. GUIs, Free software politics, etc. he's simply a retard (imho) |
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| 10:15.05 | wols | so I'm glad he keeps doing the kernel and hope he won't talk or do anything else |
| 10:15.11 | lunitik | imo, he's just the guy that applies patches the fastest.... |
| 10:15.12 | lunitik | heh |
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| 10:15.46 | Guerin | wols: it's just nobody has gone and made them do so. |
| 10:16.05 | lunitik | He even states very little of the current kernel is actually his work... and has gone on record saying he mostly just applies patches now... so yeah |
| 10:16.06 | g333k | what's the name of the new pkg for firefox? |
| 10:16.10 | wols | Guerin: yes. and it's detrimental to the bottom line form them in the short run to do. so they don't |
| 10:16.21 | lunitik | !iceweasel |
| 10:16.21 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
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| 10:16.42 | cydork | hehe no it feels like ##linux in here :) |
| 10:16.51 | g333k | but it is still not avaiable right? |
| 10:17.01 | cydork | s/no/now/ |
| 10:17.12 | wols | lunitik: and that's great. developers are a dime a dozen. someone who can see the big picture and evalute everything can't be paid in money. it's basically so precious it defies words |
| 10:17.15 | lunitik | g333k: I'm pretty sure iceweasel is in Sid... |
| 10:17.22 | wols | that's why I still pray he doesn't get hit by a bus |
| 10:17.25 | g333k | lunitik, what about the etch users? |
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| 10:17.35 | ]Gnea[ | lunitik: that whole thing is annoying, i still don't see iceweasel in sid |
| 10:17.36 | lunitik | g333k: no idea... |
| 10:17.50 | g333k | lunitik, I want to install firefox 2.0 |
| 10:17.52 | GrimWald | iceweael isn't in sid |
| 10:17.57 | ]Gnea[ | hell, there's not even a single iceweasel .deb package anywhere AFAIK |
| 10:17.59 | wols | ]Gnea[: rumour says it's in experimental |
| 10:18.02 | cydork | lunitik: nope it's not here it. |
| 10:18.09 | cydork | !+info iceweasel experimental |
| 10:18.10 | ]Gnea[ | wols: screw that, i want proof |
| 10:18.10 | dpkg | Package 'iceweasel' does not exist. |
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| 10:18.13 | wols | ]Gnea[: why those brackets btw? |
| 10:18.15 | ]Gnea[ | thank you |
| 10:18.22 | ]Gnea[ | wols: cuz :P |
| 10:18.27 | lunitik | Along with the Thunderbird rebranding... |
| 10:18.31 | g333k | !+info iceweasel testing |
| 10:18.33 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:18.35 | dpkg | Package 'iceweasel' does not exist. |
| 10:18.37 | lunitik | Guess not though... or maybe it was JUST the rebranding? |
| 10:18.44 | wols | !badgersmite ]Gnea[ |
| 10:18.46 | lunitik | of Thunderbird* |
| 10:18.50 | GrimWald | there is juste icedove (thunderbird) for the moment |
| 10:18.53 | ]Gnea[ | wols: blow me |
| 10:18.58 | g333k | So iceweasel doesnt exist |
| 10:19.00 | wols | !blow ]Gnea[ |
| 10:19.05 | lunitik | GrimWald: ahhh... yes... thats what I was thinking of! |
| 10:19.16 | lunitik | g333k: it does... via GnuZilla ;) |
| 10:19.21 | lunitik | !iceweasel |
| 10:19.22 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 10:19.23 | wols | plays merry hell with my nick complete |
| 10:19.27 | g333k | GrimWald, So therw wont be thunderbird too? |
| 10:19.35 | wols | g333k: yep |
| 10:19.36 | lunitik | g333k: same issue |
| 10:19.40 | GrimWald | yeah |
| 10:19.43 | g333k | wow! |
| 10:19.51 | wols | has mozilla trademarked bugzilla too? |
| 10:19.53 | lunitik | g333k: why wow? |
| 10:20.02 | wols | tindebox? |
| 10:20.02 | tralala | wols, you need a better irc client ;) |
| 10:20.12 | g333k | !+info icedove testing |
| 10:20.12 | wols | I use irssi |
| 10:20.13 | dpkg | Package 'icedove' does not exist. |
| 10:20.25 | lunitik | !info icedove sid |
| 10:20.28 | dpkg | icedove: (free/unbranded thunderbird mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.5.0.7-3 (sid), Packaged size: 10517 kB, Installed size: 30936 kB |
| 10:20.45 | wols | 30MB? wow |
| 10:21.03 | lunitik | !info evolution sid |
| 10:21.06 | g333k | lunitik, wow, because I liked to have these pkgs in etch... now they are just avaible for Sid |
| 10:21.06 | dpkg | evolution: (groupware suite with mail client and organizer), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2345 kB, Installed size: 7084 kB |
| 10:21.06 | ]Gnea[ | hrm, i found this: http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2006/10/04/howto-install-iceweasel-1504-in-ubuntu/ |
| 10:21.18 | lunitik | ew... WAY bigger... |
| 10:21.25 | lunitik | they need a zilla-core or something :/ |
| 10:21.43 | wols | or a XUL package |
| 10:21.48 | ]Gnea[ | but it's 1.5 |
| 10:22.01 | lunitik | wols: thats basically what I meant by zilla-core ;) |
| 10:22.06 | wols | is there a 2.0 of tbird? |
| 10:22.10 | tralala | wols, irssi does nick completion for such nicks - ignore the funky starting characters and start with the letters |
| 10:22.17 | wols | lunitik: then a gecko too |
| 10:22.29 | wols | tralala: I know. but then I get gnam :) |
| 10:22.40 | wols | and it's still a crappy nick. and ]Gnea[ _knows_ that :P |
| 10:22.57 | tralala | wols, I'd blame it on GNAM :) |
| 10:23.08 | lunitik | wols: I think that stuff should be in its own package... although things like Epiphany would benefit from further moderation... |
| 10:23.16 | wols | don't want to. he's new and I want to make a good impression for #debian :) |
| 10:23.23 | lunitik | All of which is possible now that Debian doesn't have to do what Mozilla tells them any more |
| 10:23.38 | wols | lunitik: I still wouldn't want it tbh |
| 10:23.57 | wols | I'd want to be as close as possible to mozilla.COM's version |
| 10:23.59 | lunitik | wols: wouldn't want what? |
| 10:24.03 | ]Gnea[ | oh oh!!! |
| 10:24.03 | azeem | lunitik: there is xulrunner |
| 10:24.05 | ]Gnea[ | http://safeweb.sitesled.com/iceweasel/ |
| 10:24.06 | g333k | wols, I agree |
| 10:24.10 | ]Gnea[ | iceweasel .debs |
| 10:24.12 | ]Gnea[ | 1.5 tho |
| 10:24.16 | ]Gnea[ | but.. it's iceweasel |
| 10:24.30 | tralala | how cool is that! |
| 10:24.33 | g333k | wols, I'm a mozilla products user, and I'd like to have the last versions of their sw |
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| 10:24.59 | ]Gnea[ | tralala: not as cool as it'd be if they were 2.0 |
| 10:25.29 | tralala | ]Gnea[, is 2.0 really worthed the trouble of upgrading to it? |
| 10:25.46 | Guerin | no |
| 10:26.00 | tralala | I didn't think so either |
| 10:26.04 | Guerin | it's just 1.5 with some cosmetic changes and bells and whistles you don't reaslly need anyhow |
| 10:26.07 | Guerin | shock/horror |
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| 10:26.09 | wols | tralala: we're geeks. we like shiny new software |
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| 10:26.15 | Guerin | no |
| 10:26.19 | Guerin | quite the opposite |
| 10:26.22 | Trewas | yes, 2.0 feels quite a bit faster and the worst memory leaks have been fixed |
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| 10:26.26 | Guerin | I like tried and true software |
| 10:26.34 | lunitik | Mozilla things in Debian isn't the same as upstream anyway... and hasn't been for a while :/ |
| 10:26.38 | g4m | might someone be able to help me with a dpkg error i'm having? |
| 10:26.38 | tralala | wols, no I like good software - shiny and new is for n00bs |
| 10:26.43 | ]Gnea[ | tralala: when it comes to memory leak fixes, i'm for it |
| 10:26.49 | Guerin | lunitik: yeah, I've used upstream foir ages because of thast |
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| 10:27.51 | ]Gnea[ | lunitik: heh, i stopped giving a shit about icons long ago |
| 10:28.02 | lunitik | Being able to fix upsteam "features" is a good thing also. |
| 10:28.27 | wols | ]Gnea[: I like pretty ones |
| 10:28.34 | wols | but which pretty one, it doesn't matter |
| 10:28.39 | tralala | ]Gnea[, I restart my browser a lot. In fact I don't like having a browser/programme open for no reason |
| 10:28.48 | wols | and iceweasel is the bestest name ever |
| 10:28.54 | wols | phoenix is close |
| 10:29.00 | ]Gnea[ | heh |
| 10:29.23 | ]Gnea[ | tralala: good for you |
| 10:29.45 | lunitik | I think such moves really over complicate things for new users... "I want Firefox" "install IceWeasel" "but I want Firefox..." ... but I'm not sure losing such users is a bad thing? |
| 10:29.52 | wols | browser, terminal,putty. my holy trinity |
| 10:29.55 | tralala | yep, 1.5 is good for me :) |
| 10:29.56 | wols | well filemanager too I guess |
| 10:30.13 | tralala | 1.0 is just as good actually |
| 10:30.24 | sep | how about a metapackage called firefox :) |
| 10:30.34 | wols | sep: can't |
| 10:30.38 | sep | or is that against mozilla's policies too ? |
| 10:30.46 | wols | it'S against trademark law |
| 10:30.51 | ]Gnea[ | lunitik: doesn't bother me much |
| 10:30.52 | sep | figures |
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| 10:31.31 | Trewas | at least for thunderbird there are transitional packages which actually install icedove, I guess they will be there at least for etch release |
| 10:31.37 | tralala | I'm not after winning users. I just use debian because I need good software to run on my computer. |
| 10:31.37 | ]Gnea[ | fuckedfox? |
| 10:31.57 | lunitik | Trewas: that is how the Firefox transition will be also... |
| 10:32.10 | sep | lawyers will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes !! |
| 10:32.22 | lunitik | ]Gnea[: Yeah, I think that'd be a hard sell on d-d-l |
| 10:32.37 | ]Gnea[ | lunitik: hehehe |
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| 10:32.48 | tralala | and because it doesn't try to separate me from my money in various nasty ways |
| 10:33.31 | ]Gnea[ | hrmmm |
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| 10:33.52 | lunitik | I still haven't contributed monetarily to any other project/software other than Debian... and I'm POOR |
| 10:34.07 | lunitik | (via official potato book... although I never actually used potato... heh) |
| 10:34.51 | lunitik | Developers have bills too |
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| 10:35.21 | ]Gnea[ | i kept a hot DD safe on the streets of NYC once |
| 10:35.39 | tralala | bwahahaha |
| 10:35.43 | lunitik | uhhh... hah |
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| 10:35.53 | ]Gnea[ | actually, i'm not sure if she's a DD or not, but definately a hottie and definately a debian user |
| 10:36.22 | tralala | ]Gnea[, so you provide offline support as well ;) |
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| 10:36.54 | ]Gnea[ | tralala: oh hell yeah. i got one of my ex-coworkers to buy don lunch once too |
| 10:37.20 | tralala | hehe :) |
| 10:37.28 | ]Gnea[ | :) |
| 10:37.32 | wols | the intarweb with cheap broadband ruind my monetary debian support |
| 10:37.35 | lunitik | ]Gnea[: I don't believe it :P |
| 10:37.46 | ]Gnea[ | lunitik: ask him ;) |
| 10:37.58 | wols | I bought 2.0 and 2.1 on CD with donations to debian. Nothing since then |
| 10:38.14 | lunitik | ]Gnea[: wrt hot Debian user... I'm skeptical :P |
| 10:38.20 | ]Gnea[ | lunitik: don ID'd me when I was in SF for LWE last summer |
| 10:38.27 | wols | ]Gnea[: yeah. Pics or shen |
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| 10:38.47 | kuckuck | hi |
| 10:38.59 | fireba11 | :-D |
| 10:39.11 | lunitik | sup kuckuck |
| 10:39.12 | kuckuck | is it possible to enable only sftp for a specific user and set his rootdirectory to some subfolder |
| 10:39.37 | wols | set him /bin/false as his shell |
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| 10:40.01 | wols | and change his homefolder too |
| 10:40.01 | g333k | Excuse me, what are the Debian news URL ? |
| 10:40.08 | g333k | I mean to add to liferea |
| 10:40.18 | lunitik | wtf did they do to Epiphany? http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/pics/epiphany.png |
| 10:40.25 | lunitik | It used to at least seem usable |
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| 10:40.39 | wols | lunitik: gnomification? |
| 10:41.10 | Eulex | lunitik, note that he states in the blog entry that he has customized it quite much. |
| 10:41.12 | lunitik | wols: it used to be plenty gnomified... now its just ugly :/ |
| 10:41.39 | jelly-home | !dwn |
| 10:41.39 | dpkg | Debian Weekly News at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ . You can also get it emailed to you weekly by subscribing to the debian-news list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ or by sending an email with the subject 'subscribe' and no body to debian-news-request@lists.debian.org |
| 10:41.45 | wols | g333k: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ |
| 10:41.51 | g333k | thanks |
| 10:42.01 | tralala | last updated 26 Sept |
| 10:42.09 | wols | lunitik: gnomification is my codeword for "dumbed down and made unusable" |
| 10:42.22 | wols | and it's never finished until the whole UI is only one button ot such |
| 10:42.23 | tralala | kde rocks! |
| 10:42.24 | toaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.36 | jelly-home | toaster: don't |
| 10:42.36 | cydork | the only thing is dwn is not weekly anymore :P |
| 10:42.48 | lunitik | wols: gotcha... I secretly am using Gnome right now though (don't tell abrotman) and am not finding it that annoying :o |
| 10:42.54 | Guerin | wols: unfortunately that single button never says 'close' |
| 10:43.10 | Guerin | evilwm FTW! |
| 10:43.17 | Guerin | my mum uses and loves xfce4 |
| 10:43.29 | wols | lunitik: I sometomes make another attempt to use kde. then I shudder and go back to *box |
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| 10:43.34 | wols | or windows :P |
| 10:43.40 | tralala | evilwm - teh sh1te |
| 10:43.52 | Guerin | it's so good it's evil |
| 10:43.55 | wols | tralala: all of linux desktop is shite |
| 10:43.59 | lunitik | Guerin: I should probably let her try that... her hardware is pretty crap... desktop system with a geode chip (embedded processor) |
| 10:43.59 | tralala | works great on my p2#366 laptop |
| 10:44.07 | jeffrin | what is the command to searh for a functuoin inside a linrasat |
| 10:44.07 | ]Gnea[ | man oh man, this's gonna take me a long time to find... |
| 10:44.13 | jeffrin | library |
| 10:44.16 | jelly-home | wols: yeah, windows rules |
| 10:44.19 | Guerin | wols: teh shite != shite |
| 10:44.21 | wols | lunitik: the important part is amount of memory. everything else is sendoary or unimportant |
| 10:44.22 | yang | Is there a package, that would allow me using remote ssh over the web brower (some sort of java ssh) ? |
| 10:44.27 | F14m3Sw0rd | wols stop the damn fight |
| 10:44.28 | idanimrod | hello, i was wondering, i was looking at pics of the sarge installation at osdir.com and there's no manual partition option? only all in one partition or desktop? |
| 10:44.37 | Guerin | yang: there are lots of java clients, none of them are in debian |
| 10:44.43 | ]Gnea[ | lunitik, wols: yet another reason the us postal service should hurry up and get my shit shipped ;) |
| 10:44.47 | blondie | idanimrod: wrong |
| 10:44.50 | lunitik | wols: KDE pwns *box ... but I like the more proffessional feel of Gnome... KDE has thought of everything, but lacks polish... |
| 10:44.52 | blondie | idanimrod: you can partition however you like |
| 10:44.52 | tralala | it takes someone really good to create something like evilwm |
| 10:44.54 | Guerin | !nickometer F14m3Sw0rd |
| 10:44.56 | dpkg | 'F14m3Sw0rd' is 99.300% lame, guerin |
| 10:44.59 | idanimrod | ok, then i'm relieved |
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| 10:45.00 | lunitik | "If you attempt everything, you perfect nothing" |
| 10:45.03 | tralala | we have a winner! |
| 10:45.04 | Guerin | !botsnack |
| 10:45.04 | dpkg | thanks, Guerin |
| 10:45.08 | ChrisBradley | Hello |
| 10:45.12 | cydork | lunitik: gnome has proffessional feel?? :P |
| 10:45.14 | wols | lunitik: it's too much garbage for me in both. I like the apps. hate the whole deal |
| 10:45.18 | idanimrod | so there's no desktop or all in one paritition option? |
| 10:45.18 | dorel__ | Guerin: badblocks sure takes a while to run on a 250gb hd :) |
| 10:45.19 | lunitik | cydork: yes |
| 10:45.21 | ChrisBradley | We have a user in ##linux with a runlevel issue |
| 10:45.25 | Guerin | dorel__: sure does. |
| 10:45.28 | idanimrod | where does the manual partition comes up? |
| 10:45.33 | wols | dorel__: get a faster harddisk :) |
| 10:45.39 | ChrisBradley | rc.d will not allow apt to install packages |
| 10:45.41 | g333k | Does anybody here use or have used the weather gdesklet? |
| 10:45.43 | ]Gnea[ | ChrisBradley: tell him to press the power button to the on position. |
| 10:45.49 | mandingo | haha |
| 10:45.49 | wols | ChrisBradley: does he run debian? send him here |
| 10:45.54 | lunitik | wols: DE's are more integrated... good for the lazy... not good for those that like to feel in control ;) |
| 10:46.00 | ChrisBradley | wols I will send him here |
| 10:46.07 | ChrisBradley | but he is already mad at Debian |
| 10:46.13 | dorel__ | Guerin: i've dd'ed zero to it and now badblocks, after this is done i have then to dd sda to sdb again, sure gonna take all night :) |
| 10:46.18 | wols | lunitik: if I had something like litestep on linux, I'd quit bitching. but until I do... |
| 10:46.20 | tralala | ChrisBradley, send him to #ubuntu then! |
| 10:46.22 | Guerin | ChrisBradley: tell him to read 'man init' |
| 10:46.24 | g333k | Does anybody here use or have used the weather gdesklet? I ask because it is not updating the weather conditions anymore... is it me? or the gdesklet? |
| 10:46.24 | ]Gnea[ | ChrisBradley: well that's his bad |
| 10:46.26 | wols | ChrisBradley: what's his nick? |
| 10:46.30 | dorel__ | wols: heh i think i need a new one anyway |
| 10:46.35 | idanimrod | say, what do i have to choose in the debian installer in order to manually partition my hd? |
| 10:46.35 | ChrisBradley | g4m |
| 10:46.45 | lunitik | wols: I'd introduce you to tarzeau but he'd chew your ear off :P |
| 10:46.48 | ChrisBradley | g4m meet wols |
| 10:46.48 | g4m | wols: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Wpppnx13.html thats the error i get whenever i use apt |
| 10:46.48 | wols | ChrisBradley: we didn't piss him off today at least :) |
| 10:47.04 | ChrisBradley | :) |
| 10:47.13 | mandingo | g333k: used to use it back in the day. Never had that issue though. Did you try using a different weather server? |
| 10:47.15 | lunitik | wols: ahh... wait... litestep is that crappy explorer replacement huh? |
| 10:47.24 | ]Gnea[ | ChrisBradley: oh ok... nah, if he can't do it himself and get over his own head-up-assness, then he deserves to be stuck in apt-hell ;) |
| 10:47.32 | mandingo | lunitik: yup! |
| 10:47.52 | tralala | g4m, you don't have update-rc.d?! What did you do to this computer? |
| 10:47.54 | g333k | mandingo, what other weathers server can I use? |
| 10:48.06 | wols | lunitik: it'S a shell. wouldn't call it crappy |
| 10:48.14 | wols | g4m: how did you get in this situation? |
| 10:48.24 | mandingo | g333k: no clue, but there are others |
| 10:48.31 | mandingo | I'd call it crappy |
| 10:48.35 | mandingo | the developers are assholes too |
| 10:48.39 | lunitik | wols: you could certainly tell it was a hobby of someone... felt horrible to use |
| 10:48.43 | wols | g4m: dpkg-reconfigure libc6 gives the same problems? |
| 10:48.56 | g4m | wols, tralala: helping someone with their computer |
| 10:49.00 | wols | lunitik: may I PM you? |
| 10:49.07 | lunitik | wols: sure |
| 10:49.17 | g4m | wols: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: libc6 is broken or not fully installed |
| 10:49.18 | wols | g4m: what I'd do is edit libc6.postinst to always return true |
| 10:49.21 | jelly-home | what was the name of mingw compiled X server for windows? |
| 10:49.22 | tralala | g4m, so what did someone do to it? |
| 10:49.34 | tralala | and which debian are they... hmmm... running |
| 10:49.42 | wols | then go on and install a sysv-rc or such. and then put the old libc-postinst back and dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 10:49.48 | wols | jelly-home: mingx |
| 10:49.56 | jelly-home | wols: thanks |
| 10:50.22 | g4m | tralala: wols: i'll try that |
| 10:50.37 | g4m | tralala: I can't even figure out how they got in this place. |
| 10:50.48 | cydork | g4m: which version of debian is this? |
| 10:50.52 | g4m | wols: where od i find libc6.postinst? |
| 10:50.56 | wols | g4m: bascially oyu need to get debian in a proper state again where apt won't give any errors before you try to install new stuff |
| 10:51.01 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.03 | cydork | g4m: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 10:51.08 | jelly-home | !mingx |
| 10:51.21 | wols | jelly-home: it's no debian software... it's WINDOWS software |
| 10:51.33 | g4m | cydork: 3.1 |
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| 10:51.52 | CharminTheMoose | morning all |
| 10:52.00 | kuckuck | wols: if I set default shell to /bin/false the cannot use sftp anymore |
| 10:52.17 | ]Gnea[ | g4m: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst |
| 10:52.25 | jelly-home | wols: so? it would be a useful factoid, like ext2fsd or stuff |
| 10:52.41 | CharminTheMoose | how the hell do i get a blinking white curso at the console? |
| 10:52.44 | wols | kuckuck: I think there is a ssh config option that it won't load a shell afaik |
| 10:52.45 | ]Gnea[ | er, didn't see cydork's response right away |
| 10:52.51 | wols | not sire tho. sorry if I misled you |
| 10:52.55 | CharminTheMoose | i'm using bash... |
| 10:53.01 | jelly-home | wols: oh, it's Xming apparently. MingX is some library to create flash movies |
| 10:53.04 | ]Gnea[ | CharminTheMoose: in console? |
| 10:53.10 | wols | jelly-home: mea culpa :( |
| 10:53.14 | CharminTheMoose | Gnea:yeah |
| 10:53.48 | CharminTheMoose | i've searched the web and i couldn't find anything |
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| 10:53.51 | cydork | g4m: how in the hell did this happen to sarge? :P |
| 10:53.57 | jelly-home | wols: I hear flogging oneself helps. ;-) |
| 10:54.17 | ]Gnea[ | CharminTheMoose: either you hit alt-f[8-12] or alt-<leftarrow> from alt-f1... or you locked the terminal somehow... is the scroll lock key enabled on it? |
| 10:54.31 | wols | jelly-home: I'm anemic. can't afford the blood loss. sorry |
| 10:54.34 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: reset / |
| 10:54.36 | amphi | ? |
| 10:54.46 | wols | jelly-home: you can get more insincere self accusations if you want tho :) |
| 10:54.58 | CharminTheMoose | arg,apologies |
| 10:55.11 | blondie | chocolate moose |
| 10:55.14 | CharminTheMoose | i mean,how do i get a blinking white block |
| 10:55.30 | CharminTheMoose | instead of the frickin' DOS underline |
| 10:55.38 | CharminTheMoose | GODDAMN YOU DOS! |
| 10:55.42 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: setterm IIRC |
| 10:55.49 | jelly-home | wols: nah, I'm not into that stuff |
| 10:56.06 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: what's wrong with _? |
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| 10:56.59 | amphi | blondie: he's traumatised by dos ;) |
| 10:57.12 | blondie | lol |
| 10:57.18 | cydork | hehe |
| 10:57.46 | F14m3Sw0rd | yea seams so XD |
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| 10:57.47 | jelly-home | blondie: Big people like big cursors: ā |
| 10:57.54 | CharminTheMoose | blondie:It's DOS!it's microsucks |
| 10:57.57 | pielgrzym | hello :) |
| 10:57.59 | CharminTheMoose | blaaaaaaaaargh |
| 10:58.14 | tralala | CharminTheMoose, thanks for sharing |
| 10:58.38 | CharminTheMoose | bah |
| 10:58.55 | pielgrzym | could anyone tell me how long it takes to install and configure a desktop sarge? I'm very dissappointed with Kubuntu Edgy and want to change distro :) nonetheless I don't want to spend more than hour on installing it ;) |
| 10:59.04 | CharminTheMoose | hmm,I can't find anything useful in the setterm man page........ |
| 10:59.06 | Ronin | pielgrzym: depends on what you select |
| 10:59.10 | tralala | I secretly hoped to hear about dos where I joined #debian |
| 10:59.15 | Ronin | amongst others things |
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| 10:59.19 | amphi | tralala: heh |
| 11:00.03 | pielgrzym | Ronin: let's say I want to have a normal (newest) kde, with full OO and full set of kde applications and an LVM support :) |
| 11:00.07 | jelly-home | pielgrzym: sarge is rather old for a desktop. |
| 11:00.19 | tarzeau | huh? |
| 11:00.22 | Ronin | jelly-home: works quites nicely for me |
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| 11:00.24 | pielgrzym | jelly-home: what do you suggest than? :) |
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| 11:00.36 | CharminTheMoose | jelly-home:'tis rather good |
| 11:00.39 | mandingo | sid! |
| 11:00.41 | Ronin | pielgrzym: that may take more then an hour |
| 11:00.47 | tralala | pielgrzym, sarge doesn't come with the newest kde |
| 11:00.49 | pielgrzym | :( |
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| 11:00.56 | pielgrzym | etch does? |
| 11:00.56 | jelly-home | I didn't say it didn't work, I said it's rather old. |
| 11:00.59 | g4m | wols: thanks for helping out, i think i'll be able to get closer by editing the postinst |
| 11:01.36 | wols | g4m: make a backup of it!!!! |
| 11:01.38 | wols | very important |
| 11:01.42 | jelly-home | pielgrzym: etch would be pretty much like edgy in terms of software versions, yes. |
| 11:01.44 | g4m | done |
| 11:01.53 | tralala | pielgrzym, etch comes with the newer kde and with all the related problems of a "testing" software |
| 11:01.58 | tralala | a newer |
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| 11:02.08 | wols | and restore that backup again, etc. Else you come back and have a totally unrepairable system. and then you blame me |
| 11:02.11 | kuckuck | wols: but then the user still can go to / and /etc an /var... I wanna lock him into his homefolder |
| 11:02.13 | mandingo | don't be afraid, if you're using it as a desktop, etch is plenty stable |
| 11:02.17 | yang | could someone tell me how to fix "could not open default font "fixed" error" http://paste.debian.net/15809 ? |
| 11:02.22 | wols | kuckuck: man chroot then |
| 11:02.34 | CharminTheMoose | chroot ftw!mkuckuck |
| 11:02.46 | jelly-home | pielgrzym: you should ask yourself: what do I want from newest KDE? |
| 11:02.53 | g4m | wols: the only person to blame right now is the owner of this system |
| 11:03.01 | jelly-home | This is not my beautiful wife! |
| 11:03.02 | wols | g4m: what I suggested IS very dangerous, don't be mistaken there |
| 11:03.13 | tralala | pielgrzym, I'd recomend you to install sarge and forget about latest kde for now. |
| 11:03.14 | wols | toying with libc6 is serious business |
| 11:03.23 | wols | one wrong step and it's liveCD time :) |
| 11:03.25 | pielgrzym | jelly-home: I want a really good multitasking (this is a really good aspect of edgy generic kernel) and quite good stability (I'm using xfs...) |
| 11:03.29 | mandingo | heh |
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| 11:04.20 | hollo | hi.. can i connect to udp with telnet? |
| 11:04.26 | pielgrzym | tralala: which kde is shipped with sarge? |
| 11:04.28 | jelly-home | hollo: no |
| 11:04.28 | hollo | or are there any other ways i can make sure my dhcp server replies? |
| 11:04.44 | kuckuck | wols: but then I'v to chroot the whole sshd command, that sucks |
| 11:04.45 | hollo | jelly-home, then to the second question :) |
| 11:04.52 | mandingo | pielgrzym: packages.debian.org has the answer to the question you ask! |
| 11:04.53 | jelly-home | hollo: use a sniffer like tcpdump to check the network traffic |
| 11:05.05 | tralala | pielgrzym, 3.3.2 |
| 11:05.07 | pielgrzym | mandingo: thanks, I'll go and check :) |
| 11:05.12 | pielgrzym | tralala: thanks :) |
| 11:05.15 | mandingo | tralala has the answer too! |
| 11:05.16 | mandingo | haha |
| 11:05.20 | pielgrzym | lol |
| 11:05.35 | pielgrzym | thanks guys :) I have to rethink all this now :) |
| 11:05.39 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know how i get a white blinking block on the console? |
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| 11:06.25 | Danamania | probably a setterm option |
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| 11:08.22 | CharminTheMoose | i tried that but there was no joy |
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| 11:10.06 | jelly-home | pielgrzym: as far as I know, Debian's kernels don't have a specific goal of enabling better desktop experience. I use custom kernels with -ck patchset and I think there's some improvement over the generic kernel, but that might be delusion. ;-) |
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| 11:10.25 | Seonshin | hello |
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| 11:10.37 | Seonshin | what is the cannel debian spanish? |
| 11:10.41 | jelly-home | !es |
| 11:10.42 | azeem | !es |
| 11:10.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:11.07 | pielgrzym | jelly-home: which (apart from mandriva) distros have a nice desktop optimized kernel? |
| 11:11.18 | jelly-home | pielgrzym: no idea there, sorry |
| 11:11.24 | pielgrzym | :) |
| 11:11.40 | cydork | jelly-home: ck has patches regardign what? |
| 11:11.42 | jelly-home | pielgrzym: I only use Debian. |
| 11:11.44 | Danamania | I have no cursor on my consoles at all, so I'm no help :) |
| 11:12.22 | wols | Danamania: how did you get there? maybe he could adapt your way |
| 11:12.37 | zirikili | my /var is full. what if I delete the deb files from /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 11:12.38 | jelly-home | cydork: preemptive swapin and swapout and some responsiveness patches come to mind. |
| 11:12.50 | mandingo | zirikili: apt-get clean |
| 11:12.58 | mandingo | will do it for you |
| 11:13.04 | dn4 | what is up with flash 9 not being in linux? |
| 11:13.05 | zirikili | mandingo: thanks |
| 11:13.09 | dn4 | I cannot view some flash animations now |
| 11:13.10 | pielgrzym | jelly-home: thanks for help buddy :) |
| 11:13.19 | jelly-home | !flash9 |
| 11:13.29 | cydork | jelly-home: well i will ask google for more :P |
| 11:13.50 | F14m3Sw0rd | !de |
| 11:13.50 | dpkg | hmm... de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 11:14.09 | Danamania | wols: wish I knew. When I first installed the server it was blinking merrily - in the last couple of months I noticed I have no cursor at all. |
| 11:14.29 | Danamania | wols: I rarely use it direct from the machine so it's been only a minor annoyance. |
| 11:14.32 | tralala | 14m3Sw0rd |
| 11:14.50 | F14m3Sw0rd | haha@tralala |
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| 11:15.58 | Guerin | dn4: flash has *never* been in debian |
| 11:16.05 | tralala | Danamania, meet your cursor0wn3r! |
| 11:16.33 | Guerin | dn4: the main reason being that it's non-free evilware designed to kill baby penguins |
| 11:16.33 | Guerin | think of the penguins! |
| 11:16.37 | tralala | bwahahaha |
| 11:16.43 | jelly-home | dn4: there is a beta of flash 9 available. It's buggy as betas can be. |
| 11:16.45 | Seonshin | I have a litlle big problem with Debian, I have a Core 2 Duo and I have downloaded ia64, but my dvd-rom can't load the installer. Can you help me? |
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| 11:17.15 | DeFender1031 | hello, i'm using etch on an HP pavilion dv5000 laptop and i just installed the flash plugin, i see the video but don't hear the audio. before you ask, yes, my volume is up all the way. |
| 11:17.36 | tralala | Seonshin, core is not ia64 |
| 11:17.39 | F14m3Sw0rd | Seonshin:did you make it bootable |
| 11:17.42 | Guerin | dn4: complain to macrobedia |
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| 11:18.01 | Guerin | DeFender1031: complain to macrobedia |
| 11:18.29 | c00lfon | DeFender1031, maybe some process is blocking Your /dev/dsp? try fuser -k /dev/dsp and after that run browser |
| 11:18.30 | jelly-home | dpkg, flash9 is the beta of Macromedia's Flash plugin for linux can be found at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html |
| 11:18.30 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
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| 11:19.40 | mandingo | DeFender1031: I have the same problem on a zv6000 |
| 11:20.03 | mandingo | and on a dell desktop |
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| 11:20.09 | DeFender1031 | mandingo, i take it that means you haven't worked it out yet? |
| 11:20.19 | jelly-home | dn4: also see /msg dpkg flash |
| 11:20.28 | DeFender1031 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.42 | tralala | DeFender1031, get yourself together |
| 11:20.46 | mandingo | DeFender1031: not important enough to care :) |
| 11:21.06 | DeFender1031 | tralala, working on it |
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| 11:21.48 | DeFender1031 | mandingo, but how am i gonna watch homestar runner? |
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| 11:22.43 | Ono | hi |
| 11:22.47 | mandingo | haha |
| 11:22.48 | Ono | i install compiz packages |
| 11:22.56 | Ono | how can i start? |
| 11:23.12 | Ono | i try compiz /usr/bin/compiz: line 7: /usr/bin/glxinfo: No such file or directory |
| 11:23.15 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.48 | Ono | Guerin, whot do you know it's broken? |
| 11:24.00 | Ono | i install from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/compiz |
| 11:24.18 | Guerin | Ono: it's in unstable, its default state is 'broken' |
| 11:24.22 | tralala | Ono, did you notice the _unstable_ part |
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| 11:24.47 | wols | Ono: search for glxinfo then. it's available inside a package |
| 11:24.56 | wols | which is left as an excercise for you to find out |
| 11:25.12 | Ono | wols i search |
| 11:25.26 | Ono | its in xbased-clients |
| 11:25.47 | wols | bingo! |
| 11:25.53 | wols | -d btw |
| 11:26.35 | Ono | wols, but i reinstal xbase-clients |
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| 11:26.56 | Ono | it is not work |
| 11:27.09 | Guerin | offer it more money and better conditions |
| 11:27.23 | wols | Ono: hm. sid is different |
| 11:27.36 | wols | different package. it was in xbase-clients while in sarge IIRC |
| 11:27.54 | DeFender1031 | fixed it |
| 11:27.57 | DeFender1031 | thanks |
| 11:28.26 | DeFender1031 | ok new problem...etch on HP dv5000 wireless not recognized |
| 11:28.57 | mandingo | DeFender1031: what kind of wireless card? |
| 11:29.20 | Guerin | !fgi DeFender1031 hp+dv5000+wireless |
| 11:29.20 | dpkg | DeFender1031: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=hp+dv5000+wireless |
| 11:29.22 | DeFender1031 | 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
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| 11:29.53 | DeFender1031 | Guerin, tried |
| 11:29.54 | wols | oh joy |
| 11:29.56 | janoli | hi boys |
| 11:29.57 | Seonshin | what is core 2 duo???? ia 64????? |
| 11:29.57 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 11:30.01 | Guerin | !try |
| 11:30.02 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 11:30.03 | DeFender1031 | i downloaded the driver from intel |
| 11:30.12 | wols | Seonshin: either i386 or amd64. if you have to ask, better use i386 |
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| 11:30.28 | DeFender1031 | it told me i need the ieee8 something thingy |
| 11:30.36 | DeFender1031 | i apted that |
| 11:30.42 | DeFender1031 | i modconfed thatt |
| 11:30.44 | janoli | publishing with emacs -> muse -> tetex gives me "I can't find file cathyph.tex" any help ? |
| 11:30.51 | DeFender1031 | the driver still won't install |
| 11:30.51 | cydork | DeFender1031: get to the problem already :P |
| 11:31.04 | Guerin | DeFender1031: janoli dpkg -S cathyph.tex |
| 11:31.04 | pourriture | I have just installed apache2 ... added 443 to ports.conf ... ran apache2-ssl-certificate ... ran a2enmod ssl ... created a virtual host with SSLEngine On and SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem in it ... restarted apache2 .... and http loads a page https does not ... anyone see what I have forgetten? |
| 11:31.30 | Guerin | pourriture: #apache; httpd.apache.org |
| 11:31.33 | DeFender1031 | Guerin, huh? |
| 11:31.33 | wols | installed apache2-ssl? |
| 11:31.39 | Guerin | DeFender1031: sorry |
| 11:31.40 | cydork | DeFender1031: how did you install the firmware? |
| 11:31.44 | Guerin | janoli dpkg -S cathyph.tex |
| 11:31.45 | pourriture | lsof shows apache2 on 443 with 5 chlidren |
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| 11:32.06 | janoli | Guerin: shows not found |
| 11:32.06 | wols | pourriture: that's not what I asked |
| 11:32.29 | janoli | i found this bug: http://tinyurl.com/swxe6 |
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| 11:32.47 | janoli | Guerin: i found this http://tinyurl.com/swxe6 |
| 11:32.49 | Guerin | janoli: you're using a tex function or style not packaged in debian, looks like hyphenation of some sort. |
| 11:32.54 | wols | oki. no more ssl for apache2 :( |
| 11:32.58 | wols | then I guess #apache |
| 11:32.59 | janoli | yes right |
| 11:33.05 | pourriture | wols there is no apache2-ssl ... ssl is now distributed with othe package |
| 11:33.08 | janoli | hmm, let me see |
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| 11:33.52 | Guerin | janoli: suggest installing it from another source or using a different hyphenation style which is supported |
| 11:34.11 | pourriture | wols: I asked here cause I did everything the debian way ... I suspect the #apache guys will want me to start over from source |
| 11:34.21 | pourriture | but that is life |
| 11:34.36 | wols | what do you mean https does not load? |
| 11:34.38 | wols | what happens? |
| 11:34.43 | qailer | I'm looking for some tutorial for writing a deb package? |
| 11:34.46 | wols | and what is in the logs for apache, syslog, etc? |
| 11:34.56 | Guerin | !tell qailer about nm guide |
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| 11:35.35 | cydork | pourriture: check with netstat . does it show up on 443? |
| 11:35.41 | pourriture | wols The connection was interrupted The connection to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx was interrupted while the page was loading. |
| 11:35.47 | Guerin | pourriture: they shouldn't, because the config should be consistent. They just know it better than us. I haven't ever used apache2, so no idea. |
| 11:35.49 | qailer | Guerin: thx |
| 11:36.11 | Guerin | your error is sure to be in the logs |
| 11:36.17 | Guerin | apache's logging is awesome |
| 11:36.19 | wols | sounds like it accepts and all but doesn't hand out data |
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| 11:37.21 | pourriture | cydork: tcp 0 0 *:https *:* LISTEN |
| 11:37.32 | pourriture | :) |
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| 11:41.59 | raj | hia ll which is the best log report tool for squid |
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| 11:42.23 | Guerin | raj: grep |
| 11:42.29 | Guerin | or maybe awk |
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| 11:42.37 | Guerin | depends on your ain tolerance |
| 11:42.53 | tralala | perl above all |
| 11:42.54 | raj | Guerin: grep ? |
| 11:43.14 | blondie | mmm, ain |
| 11:43.20 | raj | i need to create html or txt base report how many hit's how many miss |
| 11:43.50 | Guerin | raj: you might want 'echo' as well, then |
| 11:43.59 | tralala | raj, you need the practical extraction and report language |
| 11:44.28 | raj | tralala: i dont get u can u explain |
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| 11:44.46 | blondie | !u |
| 11:44.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:44.49 | tralala | raj, write a perl script to create the report for you |
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| 11:45.42 | raj | tralala: no other way |
| 11:46.11 | tralala | raj, aptitude search ~dsquid |
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| 11:47.25 | CharminTheMoose | does anyone here know how to get a white blinking block on the console? |
| 11:47.57 | tralala | either nobody knows or nobody wants to answer, I guess |
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| 11:48.05 | tarzeau | man console_codes ? |
| 11:48.28 | tarzeau | (you might want to mess with vga registers, palette, or the linux specific palette ansi code extensions) |
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| 11:48.44 | tijn | morning all |
| 11:49.08 | tralala | ain't no morning here at all |
| 11:49.09 | Zap-W | what's the equivalent of utmpdump in debian |
| 11:49.10 | nedhelp | what is this ruby for? |
| 11:49.14 | nedhelp | anyone? |
| 11:49.29 | tralala | nedhelp, for writing software |
| 11:49.55 | wols | ruby is a scripting language |
| 11:50.04 | tralala | Zap-W, updatedb; man -k utmp |
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| 11:50.35 | tijn | where can i see what's covered by $mydomain var? |
| 11:51.12 | tralala | echo $mydomain? |
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| 11:51.27 | tijn | nope |
| 11:51.33 | nedhelp | tralala: for what kind of software? just like a foxpro or vb in MS? |
| 11:51.35 | tijn | its a postfic thingie |
| 11:51.39 | tijn | postfix* |
| 11:51.50 | tralala | nedhelp, exactly |
| 11:52.27 | wols | tijn: postconf |
| 11:52.31 | wols | or what do you mean? |
| 11:52.54 | nedhelp | tralala: ouh, so it will do some databasing,.. wow this is nice if that is so.. |
| 11:52.57 | tijn | well, ill explain, my mailserver relays local for 1 domain |
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| 11:53.01 | tijn | it shouldnt do that |
| 11:53.12 | wols | for which domain? |
| 11:53.15 | tijn | in the logs i see 'relay = local' |
| 11:53.16 | wols | in your subnet? |
| 11:53.26 | tijn | nope, just a stand alone domain |
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| 11:53.40 | tijn | MX record is correct |
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| 11:53.53 | wols | postconfig |grep mydestination |
| 11:54.05 | wols | postconf |
| 11:54.28 | tijn | thought so, but mydestination is $mydomain |
| 11:54.41 | tijn | is also* |
| 11:54.58 | wols | same for mydomain then |
| 11:55.12 | tijn | so, i need to know what is covered by $mydomain |
| 11:55.16 | tijn | or where it is defined |
| 11:55.31 | Guerin | tijn: in main.cf |
| 11:55.33 | wols | anothi just told you |
| 11:55.40 | Guerin | tijn: this is all documented. |
| 11:55.40 | wols | tijn: |
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| 11:56.03 | blondie | quack |
| 11:57.02 | blondie | I don't |
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| 11:57.20 | tijn | Guerin: main.cf. i know but in main.cf it says mydestination = $mydomain |
| 11:57.32 | wols | let a meat eater decide this. not some vegetarian fowl |
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| 11:57.50 | wols | tijn: what about postconf |grep mydomain didn't you understand? |
| 11:58.22 | tijn | ah! missed a line :) |
| 11:58.52 | pourriture | the plot thickens ... when I do http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:443 I get the apache default page ... so looks like ssl isn't really enabled |
| 11:58.56 | wols | cydork: roast not boiled. we want it roasted on a big fire |
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| 11:59.13 | cydork | wols: oh well .. :P |
| 11:59.15 | Bushmills | g'day |
| 11:59.51 | tijn | wols: thnx! |
| 12:00.11 | pingouin | postfix is not easy easy |
| 12:00.19 | wols | pingouin: huh? |
| 12:00.33 | pingouin | except for wols ;) |
| 12:00.36 | cydork | pingouin: try qmail :P |
| 12:00.36 | wols | mail stuff sucks, but postfix makes it bearable. very easy to use |
| 12:00.42 | Bushmills | where could i set umask for files, created with scp/sftp (/etc/profile is not respected, and as shell is used /usr/bin/scponly, that probably disqualifies any .bash_'ism) |
| 12:00.44 | mstuefer | does someone know why in php5 on debian gettext doesn't work ? isn't it compiled in ? |
| 12:00.44 | tijn | yep |
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| 12:00.54 | Bushmills | Guerin: bottled at the same fab |
| 12:00.59 | mandingo | mstuefer: phpinfo(); ?? |
| 12:01.01 | wols | mstuefer: phpinfo() might now |
| 12:01.04 | Guerin | Bushmills: oh, never used to be so. |
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| 12:01.11 | Guerin | both owned by LVMH now |
| 12:01.12 | Bushmills | Guerin: i got pissed there :) |
| 12:01.23 | mstuefer | mandingo: oh :) I forgot 2 look there . tnx |
| 12:01.27 | pingouin | cydork: too late, postfix+fetchmail+procmail+mutt are running....i dont know how i succeed...but..."it's work !" ;) |
| 12:01.57 | wols | pingouin: there is fetchmail in there... |
| 12:02.12 | wols | and you lack an imap server. your mail setup is not complete :) |
| 12:02.21 | pingouin | i've read somewhere that procmail is not absolutly necessary with postfix |
| 12:02.36 | wols | it isn't. only if you want to sort to different folders or such |
| 12:02.59 | stew | pingouin: its not, you can use the built in mda or you could use a replacement mda like maildrop |
| 12:03.00 | pingouin | wols: that enought to grab mail from my ispn and send throuth it's smtp |
| 12:03.19 | wols | pingouin: I know. I've used it myself. it still sucks :) |
| 12:03.21 | pingouin | yeah, but i do sort to different folders |
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| 12:04.18 | wols | pingouin: you use maildir ? |
| 12:04.26 | pingouin | now, next step is to set up mutt to change 'auto' the 'send :' when i reply to a mail from my mailbox1 or mailbox2 or mailbox3 |
| 12:04.33 | pingouin | wols: no |
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| 12:04.47 | pingouin | wols: oh yeah sorry yes |
| 12:05.00 | wols | just wondered how you have folders without :) |
| 12:05.01 | pingouin | wols: you talk about the format of mailbox isnt you ? |
| 12:05.08 | wols | yes |
| 12:05.13 | pingouin | yeah maildir |
| 12:05.15 | wols | maildir = each mail in a single file |
| 12:05.28 | pingouin | that is what i use |
| 12:05.50 | tralala | @seen dpkg |
| 12:05.55 | ravenbird | tralala: i haven't seen 'dpkg' |
| 12:06.21 | tralala | ravenbird, you blind or something? |
| 12:06.22 | ravenbird | i don't know, tralala |
| 12:06.25 | pingouin | at the beginning mutt alway warn me '/yourpath/mail is not a maibox or so |
| 12:06.34 | phpnuborn | damn.. and i thought the 500people in #php was amazing.. |
| 12:07.11 | pingouin | so i created a forlder with cur new sent and mutt stop the warn |
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| 12:08.27 | phpnuborn | does debian come with a simple text editor similar to windows notepad? |
| 12:08.35 | wols | nano :) |
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| 12:08.45 | pingouin | !start vim war |
| 12:09.09 | amphi | pingouin: mcedit, the editor of mc, is another simple one |
| 12:09.12 | tralala | phpnuborn, nothing is *that* simple |
| 12:09.13 | phpnuborn | lol.. vim is an editor i assume |
| 12:09.27 | wols | phpnuborn: kedit. gedit, etc |
| 12:09.29 | tralala | well perhaps "cat<<EOF > newfile" is |
| 12:09.29 | mandingo | phpnuborn: I'm assuming you want something graphical, gedit would do what you want |
| 12:09.32 | amphi | pingouin: vim is _the_ editor, apart from the other one |
| 12:09.50 | wols | amphi: the <unspeakable> editor? |
| 12:09.50 | pingouin | nice ;) |
| 12:09.53 | mandingo | emacs! |
| 12:09.59 | amphi | wols: ;) |
| 12:10.10 | wols | mandingo: shush! he's said jehova! stone him! |
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| 12:10.19 | mandingo | haha |
| 12:10.26 | amphi | pingouin: sorry for tabtarding |
| 12:10.35 | mandingo | hahaha |
| 12:10.51 | phpnuborn | i don't want to hit some normal key and have the cursor jumping around doing something strange |
| 12:11.15 | amphi | wols: the pentagrammaton? ;) |
| 12:11.43 | pingouin | phpnuborn: you see, you have plenty of possibility |
| 12:11.45 | tralala | phpnuborn, use vim in insertmode |
| 12:11.51 | pingouin | but be smart..take vim |
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| 12:12.08 | CharminTheMoose | vim FTW!hey,that rhymes |
| 12:12.16 | pingouin | ;) |
| 12:12.20 | CharminTheMoose | though nano is a good text editor |
| 12:12.26 | idanimrod | hello, would you recommend using testing? is anyone using it? |
| 12:12.28 | CharminTheMoose | i haven't tried emacs |
| 12:12.41 | tralala | idanimrod, I wouldn't |
| 12:12.44 | Guerin | idanimrod: we already discussed this. |
| 12:12.48 | Guerin | idanimrod: use stable. |
| 12:12.56 | Eulex | !start an editor war |
| 12:12.57 | dpkg | joe bites |
| 12:12.59 | idanimrod | ok gotcha |
| 12:13.04 | pingouin | idanimrod: that's depends your skills and needs.... |
| 12:13.05 | phpnuborn | how many text editors a base debian distro come with? |
| 12:13.12 | idanimrod | well, i want it to be STABLE |
| 12:13.17 | mandingo | phpnuborn: a shit load |
| 12:13.17 | idanimrod | so i guess i'll stick with stable |
| 12:13.21 | CharminTheMoose | heh,maybe more than anyone ever wants... |
| 12:13.29 | pingouin | idanimrod: so get sarge also know as stable |
| 12:13.29 | tralala | CharminTheMoose, for using emacs you need an assistant to keep pressing ctrl_alt for you |
| 12:13.31 | wols | idanimrod: then you can't use TESTING, can you? |
| 12:13.36 | Guerin | phpnuborn: nano, vi and some line editors |
| 12:13.48 | idanimrod | and i guess there's no other way of upgrading gnome other than waiting for a new STABLE version to be released |
| 12:13.50 | idanimrod | ? |
| 12:13.50 | CharminTheMoose | haha tralala |
| 12:13.53 | Guerin | mandingo: no. |
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| 12:14.07 | amphi | idanimrod: perhaps a backport exists... |
| 12:14.08 | Guerin | idanimrod: there's always another way, but not if you want it to be STABLE |
| 12:14.09 | pingouin | idanimrod: maybe backport ? |
| 12:14.14 | mandingo | Guerin: there's like 4ish, that's a shit load :) |
| 12:14.21 | CharminTheMoose | vim and nano are two good editors imo |
| 12:14.22 | idanimrod | a backport of gnome? |
| 12:14.30 | phpnuborn | well when i have many choices i use 2 things to decide.. popularity and if i've heard of it.. |
| 12:14.31 | Guerin | mandingo: i count nano and vi |
| 12:14.31 | idanimrod | is that even possible? |
| 12:14.41 | pingouin | but i still can't install OOo 2 from backport... :/ |
| 12:14.47 | mandingo | Guerin: I dont count, but yeah,,, :) |
| 12:14.47 | pingouin | no odf for me...**crying* |
| 12:14.50 | Guerin | !possible |
| 12:14.50 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. Some things are even plausible! You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 12:15.01 | pingouin | !impossible |
| 12:15.09 | amphi | heh |
| 12:15.10 | pingouin | damn |
| 12:15.12 | Guerin | phpnuborn: doesn't exist, see. |
| 12:15.18 | CharminTheMoose | no pie for you! |
| 12:15.19 | Guerin | anything's possible, as he said |
| 12:15.27 | idanimrod | well, ok |
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| 12:15.45 | idanimrod | i'll just install sarge and then upgrade to etch once it's released |
| 12:15.53 | idanimrod | btw, which TS char. is ETCH? |
| 12:16.04 | Guerin | etch-a-sketch |
| 12:16.07 | Guerin | naturally |
| 12:16.12 | phpnuborn | i'll try vim first |
| 12:16.15 | idanimrod | oh, that drawing board? |
| 12:16.20 | mandingo | yup |
| 12:16.23 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: irssi ftw |
| 12:16.29 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: you're right, using xchat-text instead of irssi *is* stupid |
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| 12:16.32 | idanimrod | man, haven't watched that movie in years, better grab the dvd release :) |
| 12:16.41 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: should've run it in screen, then you could move it to an xterm |
| 12:16.51 | idanimrod | well thanx again, bye |
| 12:17.04 | pingouin | bye idanimrod |
| 12:17.18 | CharminTheMoose | so that means i have to constantly ctrl+alt f2 alot. |
| 12:17.19 | CharminTheMoose | pff |
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| 12:17.58 | tralala | !tell CharminTheMoose -about screen |
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| 12:18.14 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: always run stuff in console in screen, in case you ever want it in X ;) |
| 12:18.25 | mandingo | screen is a god send |
| 12:18.35 | mandingo | except for that entire ctrl-a-a annoyance |
| 12:18.55 | pingouin | that not really bother me |
| 12:19.18 | mandingo | I use ctrl-a all the time, so when I am in screen, I get confused easily |
| 12:19.24 | mandingo | hahaha |
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| 12:20.44 | garo | Is jobstudent a correct english word ? |
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| 12:21.02 | pingouin | garo: exploited is better |
| 12:21.05 | blondie | garo: no |
| 12:21.11 | tralala | is #debian a language channel? |
| 12:21.37 | pingouin | tralala: true...do you have your chomsky books ? |
| 12:21.38 | garo | pingouin: :) |
| 12:21.45 | blondie | and if you want more advice, don't put a space in front of question marks. |
| 12:21.53 | azeem | blondie: uhm |
| 12:22.01 | azeem | it is totally fine to do that in some countries |
| 12:22.13 | blondie | not when speaking English |
| 12:22.15 | amphi | looks better often IMHO |
| 12:22.17 | cydork | tralala: see it is one :P |
| 12:22.28 | azeem | blondie: speak for yourself |
| 12:22.38 | tralala | cydork, grrr >( |
| 12:22.49 | azeem | I find those spaces horrible myself |
| 12:23.02 | azeem | but there's no need to tell people in here to spell differently |
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| 12:23.18 | blondie | it's not spelling, it's punctuation |
| 12:23.23 | blondie | :P |
| 12:23.32 | pingouin | krifur: hey a french ;) |
| 12:23.33 | azeem | !smartassaward blondie |
| 12:23.33 | pelzi_ | please... |
| 12:23.37 | tralala | !be punctuation barbie |
| 12:23.52 | tralala | !be a punctuation barbie |
| 12:23.53 | dpkg | Aww, punctuation is HARD! Let's go shopping, tralala |
| 12:23.57 | pingouin | !french bashing |
| 12:24.00 | pelzi_ | try to understand non-native speakers |
| 12:24.04 | tralala | dpkg, that's my girl |
| 12:24.13 | amphi | pelzi_: of course |
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| 12:24.29 | cornernote | hello |
| 12:24.37 | pingouin | hello cornernote |
| 12:24.45 | cornernote | is there a list of which wireless cards are supported by netinst ? |
| 12:25.07 | pingouin | i know it's not really debian related, but some of you play Q4 or ut2K4 ? |
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| 12:25.12 | tralala | []? |
| 12:25.23 | dn4 | bowl of serial done, time for class peace |
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| 12:26.03 | blondie | I should really write a script to "fix" them as they're very annoying :( |
| 12:26.08 | azeem | pingouin: if you know it's off-topic, please act accordingly |
| 12:26.14 | azeem | pingouin: and/or ask in #debian-offtopic |
| 12:26.22 | azeem | blondie: that would rock |
| 12:26.22 | pingouin | azeem: oh my god |
| 12:26.31 | azeem | pingouin: no, I'm not |
| 12:26.38 | tralala | pingouin, it's okay if you call him azeem |
| 12:26.52 | cornernote | lol |
| 12:26.53 | cydork | blondie: not much work for irssi :P |
| 12:26.54 | azeem | it means "the great" in arabic apparently, or something |
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| 12:27.27 | pingouin | azeem: dont yell for a small 'of topic' question ;) |
| 12:27.34 | cornernote | i'm about to do my 1st debian install so i can play with XGL |
| 12:27.38 | cornernote | wish me luck :) |
| 12:27.41 | azeem | pingouin: it's my job |
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| 12:27.48 | tralala | !bless cornernote |
| 12:27.48 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child cornernote, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 12:27.52 | cydork | cornernote: tuff luck debian doesn't have XGL :) |
| 12:28.02 | cast | is NFSv4 usable in etch? |
| 12:28.04 | cornernote | it doesnt ? |
| 12:28.04 | amphi | tralala: heh |
| 12:28.07 | azeem | it has AIGLX, though |
| 12:28.19 | blondie | azeem: or I could write one to tell people off every time they do it? :D |
| 12:28.31 | cydork | cornernote: yep, it has aiglx and which is there only in sid. which is a big NO NO |
| 12:28.33 | azeem | blondie: that would rock less |
| 12:28.38 | blondie | :) |
| 12:28.40 | azeem | cydork: and testing |
| 12:28.42 | amphi | blondie: that would get you swiftly into the oubliette |
| 12:28.46 | cydork | azeem: wooh |
| 12:28.46 | azeem | as of this weekend |
| 12:28.54 | cydork | azeem: yay \o/ |
| 12:29.19 | azeem | [2006-10-25] xorg-server 2:1.1.1-10 MIGRATED to testing |
| 12:29.27 | cornernote | whats this about then: http://www5.autistici.org/debian-xgl// |
| 12:30.00 | tralala | 1.1.1?! |
| 12:30.17 | Eulex | cornernote, aiglx. |
| 12:30.18 | azeem | cornernote: it says aiglx |
| 12:30.22 | stew | cornernote: that is a page telling you how to get xgl from some other (non-debian) repository and add it to debian |
| 12:30.33 | cydork | cornernote: that is aiglx |
| 12:30.48 | azeem | there are xgl packages as well apparently |
| 12:30.51 | cornernote | long as it works :) |
| 12:31.01 | cornernote | its all the same to me |
| 12:31.03 | azeem | cornernote: anything which is not from ftp.debian.org or backports.org should not be trusted lightly |
| 12:31.23 | azeem | cornernote: eh, the "it works" is the piont |
| 12:31.23 | azeem | point |
| 12:31.23 | cornernote | its just to play with |
| 12:31.24 | azeem | because xgl doesn't work |
| 12:31.30 | cornernote | xgl is more wank factor than a productivity booster |
| 12:31.44 | azeem | xgl is technology |
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| 12:31.55 | Eulex | no, xgl is a hack |
| 12:31.56 | azeem | compiz effects are the bling factor you are talking about |
| 12:32.15 | azeem | Eulex: I didn't say it was good technology ;) |
| 12:32.24 | Eulex | :) |
| 12:32.50 | cornernote | oh-oh... i dont want to start a political argument.. i'm just some n00b wanting to try something that i saw that looked pretty cool |
| 12:33.07 | cornernote | if it doesnt work then i lose a couple of hours of my life |
| 12:33.23 | tralala | hey, I *want* 3D desktop! I cannot imagine having to struggle for all these years with a 2D one. fortunately all this is comming to an end soon!!! |
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| 12:33.44 | amphi | tralala: I want a _completely_ transparent desktop |
| 12:33.49 | azeem | cornernote: then use aiglx+compiz |
| 12:33.57 | azeem | this is supported by Debian |
| 12:34.05 | tralala | amphi, bwahahaha :) |
| 12:34.06 | cornernote | i want a VR desktop like in .. urm.. whats that movie with tom cruise and those 3 fortume telling zombie things |
| 12:34.20 | azeem | minority report |
| 12:34.22 | cornernote | ok azeem.. i'll check it out.. thanks! |
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| 12:34.25 | cornernote | yeah - thats the one |
| 12:34.32 | cornernote | you have all the answers lol |
| 12:34.38 | azeem | cornernote: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 12:34.46 | cornernote | debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:34.51 | azeem | hrm |
| 12:34.53 | amphi | alas, PKD lived in vain - "" |
| 12:34.53 | amphi | 12:34:19 < azeem> minority report |
| 12:34.55 | azeem | no crack for you |
| 12:34.58 | amphi | oops |
| 12:35.12 | azeem | cornernote: you will have to upgrade to testing for aiglx/compi |
| 12:35.13 | azeem | z |
| 12:35.34 | cornernote | ok.. :) |
| 12:35.37 | azeem | or you can try "deb http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/xorg-sarge/ ./", but it probably won't work |
| 12:35.45 | tralala | cornernote, if you dont have a desktop of "The Matrix" you're not entitled to run debian! |
| 12:35.50 | cornernote | thanks again... just burn this image then i'm off |
| 12:36.07 | DutchFish | Debian testing has linux-2.6 frozen, is there any change that 2.6.18-3 will make it to testing along with xen 3.0.3 before etch gets stable? |
| 12:36.25 | cornernote | i have transformers on my <whisper> windows </whisper> desktop |
| 12:36.37 | azeem | DutchFish: yes |
| 12:36.48 | azeem | DutchFish: not a 100% chance, but a pretty good chance |
| 12:36.58 | DutchFish | azeem: nice, any estimation on when? |
| 12:37.02 | azeem | no |
| 12:37.21 | azeem | DutchFish: probably soon after RC1 is out |
| 12:37.23 | tralala | there is a full month left 'til they release etch |
| 12:37.45 | DutchFish | azeem: as far as i can see it depends merely on gcc-4.1 and dependecies, am i right? |
| 12:37.56 | azeem | linux-2.6 (source) is buggy! (8 > 3) |
| 12:38.13 | azeem | DutchFish: you need to integrate it into the installer |
| 12:38.14 | DeFender1031 | hi, i am running etch on an HP pavilion laptop with an intel 82801G sound card. Sound plays, but is way more quiet than it should be. i think that i might have the wrong drivers but i can't figure out where to get the correct ones. Mixer has only 4 controls rather than the 12 or so on my old computer. They are: master, pcm, line, and mic. |
| 12:38.30 | azeem | DutchFish: plus, what is important for testing migration are the reverse-depends |
| 12:38.56 | azeem | DeFender1031: sounds rather like a more reasonable mixer than an actual driver problem |
| 12:39.10 | DeFender1031 | azeem, explain? |
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| 12:39.15 | azeem | DeFender1031: maybe you can increase volume via hotkeys as well? |
| 12:39.20 | DeFender1031 | nope |
| 12:39.22 | azeem | DeFender1031: what other controls are you missing? |
| 12:39.30 | DutchFish | azeem: i am asking this because xen 3.0.3 fixes so many small bugs and it depends on 2.6.18-3 |
| 12:39.36 | azeem | 12 controls seem excessive |
| 12:39.38 | DeFender1031 | azeem, what do you mean? |
| 12:39.55 | DeFender1031 | oh |
| 12:40.14 | DeFender1031 | a bunch of different sound channels on my old one |
| 12:40.22 | DeFender1031 | i dont even have the option for them |
| 12:40.37 | azeem | DeFender1031: do you use OSS or ALSA? |
| 12:40.51 | DeFender1031 | i dont know |
| 12:41.00 | DeFender1031 | how do i find out? |
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| 12:41.41 | azeem | DeFender1031: lsmod | grep snd |
| 12:41.51 | azeem | does it output more than one line of snd* modules? |
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| 12:42.32 | DeFender1031 | quite a bit more |
| 12:42.45 | azeem | then you run ALSA |
| 12:42.49 | DeFender1031 | ok |
| 12:43.06 | DeFender1031 | then what? |
| 12:43.15 | azeem | then I don't know |
| 12:43.22 | azeem | which mixer are you using? alsamixer? |
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| 12:44.12 | DeFender1031 | i don't know, its the one that i can run as an applet on my taskbar |
| 12:44.35 | azeem | you run GNOME or KDE? |
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| 12:44.41 | DeFender1031 | kde |
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| 12:45.04 | azeem | well, try alsamixer from konsole |
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| 12:45.24 | c00lfon | or kmix fromK menu. ;-) |
| 12:45.44 | tralala | c00lfon, he's already running kmix apparently |
| 12:45.48 | aidan | for link in FILE do; wget link; done; how can I do something like this, where FILE has a list of filenames? |
| 12:45.51 | c00lfon | Mhm. |
| 12:45.51 | DeFender1031 | just gives me the same controls |
| 12:46.01 | azeem | the same as? |
| 12:46.06 | DeFender1031 | kmix |
| 12:46.10 | azeem | ah |
| 12:46.14 | tralala | aidan, wget -i filelist. man wget for many other neat options |
| 12:46.19 | azeem | well, I'm out of ideas, sorry |
| 12:46.24 | DeFender1031 | i really think it's a driver issue |
| 12:46.27 | aidan | tralala: oh, heh, ta' |
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| 12:46.53 | DeFender1031 | the sound isnt very loud and it sounds grainy |
| 12:47.19 | azeem | DeFender1031: well, you can try with OSS maybe |
| 12:47.25 | tralala | DeFender1031, try a different driver or make sure you don't have the oss modules loaded as well |
| 12:47.34 | DeFender1031 | how do i do that? |
| 12:48.27 | tralala | DeFender1031, for modulename in $(lsmod); do modinfo $modulename; done (in meta-bash) |
| 12:48.46 | DeFender1031 | huh? |
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| 12:49.26 | tralala | DeFender1031, man lsmod; man modinfo |
| 12:49.40 | DeFender1031 | ok |
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| 12:51.56 | DeFender1031 | if snd_pcm_oss is on this list does that mean that oss is loaded? |
| 12:52.13 | tralala | no, this is the oss emulation of alsa |
| 12:52.24 | _-Jefferson-_ | hell all |
| 12:52.28 | _-Jefferson-_ | hello all |
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| 12:52.58 | DeFender1031 | i really have no idea what i'm looking at here |
| 12:53.19 | tralala | DeFender1031, remember to read the manuals I gave you |
| 12:53.24 | DeFender1031 | i did |
| 12:53.29 | DeFender1031 | i still dont get it |
| 12:53.35 | tralala | both of them? |
| 12:53.38 | DeFender1031 | yes |
| 12:54.53 | tralala | let me point to the obvious then - use modinfo for all the modules you have loaded and see what you're running |
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| 12:57.12 | DeFender1031 | there are a lot of modules here |
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| 12:58.18 | dererk[w] | Good and cold morning for everyone/Buenos dĆas! :) |
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| 12:59.05 | tralala | DeFender1031, reviewing them will let you decide what to keep and what to blacklist |
| 12:59.44 | DeFender1031 | i'm not trying to kill modules, im trying to add one that will make my sound work right |
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| 13:00.59 | vezult | DeFender1031: what sound card do you have?\ |
| 13:01.14 | tralala | if you have an oss sound module loaded at the same time with the alsa one it might interfere and cause troubles. If this is your case you want this module removed |
| 13:01.35 | DeFender1031 | vezult, intel 82801G |
| 13:02.10 | DeFender1031 | tralala, is there a less tedious way to check for oss? |
| 13:02.29 | vezult | DeFender1031: and youve got snd_intel8x0 loaded? |
| 13:02.40 | DeFender1031 | vezult, yes |
| 13:03.10 | tralala | !google intel oss sound module |
| 13:03.12 | tolecnal | Results for intel oss sound module on Google: |
| 13:03.12 | tolecnal | -- |
| 13:04.08 | wols_ | DeFender1031: that's not soundcard exactly |
| 13:04.23 | DeFender1031 | wols_, what do you mean? |
| 13:04.30 | wols_ | intel uses the number 82801G since P3 days |
| 13:04.47 | wols_ | what chipset is it? |
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| 13:04.56 | wols_ | e.g. is it AC97 or HDA? |
| 13:04.57 | vezult | DeFender1031: I've got the same soundcard on my work PC, and the sound is working. have you made sure it is not muted? |
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| 13:05.16 | bolidz | hello |
| 13:05.26 | DeFender1031 | vezult, it works, just the max volume is half what it should be and it sounds grainy |
| 13:05.44 | DeFender1031 | wols, this is what lspci returns on it: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 13:06.14 | mandingo | there's a ich7 driver... |
| 13:06.14 | wols_ | now we're talking. ICH7 with HDA |
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| 13:06.29 | wols_ | get the utmost latest ALSA you can get your grubby little fingers on |
| 13:06.32 | DeFender1031 | wols_, do you has the solution? |
| 13:06.41 | wols_ | might not be directly supported by debian |
| 13:06.46 | DeFender1031 | wols_, how would i go about doing that? |
| 13:06.54 | wols_ | no. all I know is, HDA is still in development basically |
| 13:07.00 | vezult | DeFender1031: alsa-project.org |
| 13:07.06 | wols_ | get the cvs version of alsa and figure out how to use it with debian |
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| 13:07.10 | vezult | DeFender1031: download from cvs |
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| 13:07.24 | DeFender1031 | thanks, i'll try it and get back to you |
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| 13:07.32 | wols_ | DeFender1031: what kernel version btw? |
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| 13:07.52 | Sypher | hello everyone ... i forgot, how can i enable someone connecting from ip "A" to send mail everywhere in the world from my mailserver without the need of him authenticating ? (postfix) .... someone knowns ? |
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| 13:08.17 | wols_ | Sypher: not possible |
| 13:08.34 | Sypher | wols_: 100% positive on that? :( |
| 13:08.34 | vezult | Sypher: why would you want that? You actually _want_ to be an open relay? |
| 13:08.35 | DeFender1031 | wols_, 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 13:08.43 | wols_ | you can do crutches like send after receive aka SMTP after Pop3 |
| 13:08.45 | wols_ | but that's it |
| 13:08.57 | Sypher | vezult, only for one IP |
| 13:09.08 | wols_ | Sypher: and of course you can disable smtpd-auth and become an open relay. if you do: may your rot in hell |
| 13:09.27 | Sypher | wols_ no that aint considered an option ;) |
| 13:09.29 | wols_ | Sypher: if it'S anywhere in the world how can it be a fixed IP? |
| 13:09.33 | tralala | !comfort wols_ |
| 13:09.34 | dpkg | There, there, wols_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:09.52 | Sypher | wols_ ip "10.0.0.0" sending to everyone without authentication ... |
| 13:09.52 | DeFender1031 | vezult, i'm unclear how to download from cvs |
| 13:09.54 | sep | Sypher, you put that ip in your mynetworks= |
| 13:10.00 | wols_ | Sypher: what sep said |
| 13:10.02 | Sypher | sep, thanks ... |
| 13:10.18 | sep | Sypher, and you beat them with a stick if they misbehave |
| 13:10.20 | wols_ | sep: damn don't type so fast :) |
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| 13:10.34 | Sypher | sep well its only for 10 minutes |
| 13:10.35 | sep | Sypher, and you'll notice they misbehave when you fnid your mailserver in 10 blacklists :) |
| 13:10.42 | Sypher | oh ... its already there |
| 13:10.47 | wols_ | Sypher: with a VPN it's not anymore "anywhere in the world. it's iny your (virtual) lan :) |
| 13:10.48 | Sypher | that aint a problem. ;) |
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| 13:11.39 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:11.40 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 13:12.01 | vezult | DeFender1031: my bad. looks like they don't use cvs anymore, just mercurial |
| 13:12.03 | Sypher | wols_, sep, altough i explained it badly, my problem was that right now all the peeps here using my server have to authenticate to send mail to someone that isnt @mycompany.com ... i have the mail server somewhere else out of my net, and everyone here connects to that mail server form the same IP, so i wanted to enable that IP to be able to send everywhere with my server without having to authenticate.... at least, for 10 minutes. |
| 13:12.13 | DutchFish | Sypher: http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html |
| 13:12.15 | DeFender1031 | so what do i do? |
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| 13:12.29 | vezult | DeFender1031: apt-get install hg, then follow the directions on the download page |
| 13:12.59 | sep | i wish all mail cleients would just default enable SMTP AUTH, |
| 13:13.15 | DeFender1031 | vezult, i dont see instructions |
| 13:13.19 | wols_ | Sypher: what does postconf | grep smtpd_recipient_restrictions say? |
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| 13:13.36 | DeFender1031 | E: Couldn't find package hg |
| 13:13.38 | wols_ | sep: if you wish that big, wish for a new SMTP protocol |
| 13:13.42 | jel | sep: that would be difficult without the passwords etc. |
| 13:13.48 | Sypher | permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination |
| 13:13.53 | Sypher | im gonna set mynetworks ... |
| 13:14.04 | wols_ | sounds good. permit_mynetworks is there |
| 13:14.13 | Sypher | i knew it was something like that, but mynetwork isnt set in the main.cf file so i was a bit off wondering ... |
| 13:14.20 | wols_ | how does mynetworks look? does it have 10.0.0.0/24 or similar? |
| 13:14.31 | DutchFish | wols_: yup |
| 13:14.34 | Sypher | mynetworks is not present, thats why i came here hehe in the first place .. |
| 13:14.45 | Sypher | im just gonna change mynetworks_style from host to subnet |
| 13:14.47 | wols_ | postconf |grep mynetworks |
| 13:14.48 | Sypher | then set mynetworks |
| 13:15.08 | sep | jel, why would that be ? when someone configure a mailserver they configure a username and a password too. ofcourse when there is no server configured it wont be an issue |
| 13:15.08 | wols_ | what does it say? you can obfuscate the ip if you want |
| 13:15.34 | wols_ | sep: users can barely config their client with pop3 password |
| 13:15.38 | DeFender1031 | oh i see the instructions |
| 13:15.44 | wols_ | would be worse if they had to do the same for smtp |
| 13:15.50 | sep | wols_, who said it must be a user doing it. it can be an admin. |
| 13:15.51 | DeFender1031 | but apt tells me hg isnt a package |
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| 13:16.12 | sep | i just want it default on so if you dont use it you have to deactivate manually. compared to the other way around |
| 13:16.12 | wols_ | sep: I only say one word: MCSE :) |
| 13:16.13 | vezult | DeFender1031: apt-get install mercurial; hg clone <REPOSITORY_URL> |
| 13:16.15 | jel | sep: you're assuming that the account they pickup mail from is the same one they send mail through, which is isn't always the case. |
| 13:16.42 | Sypher | wols_ it only enabled my local server ... |
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| 13:16.42 | Sypher | now i just added a new ip, its resolved as of now, thanks ;P |
| 13:16.50 | wols_ | then set mynetworks. localhost is enabled by default |
| 13:16.59 | DeFender1031 | vezult, then what? |
| 13:17.05 | sep | jel, or at the _very_ minimum, that it's asked about in the wizzard or whatsnots they use to configure the clients. |
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| 13:17.57 | Sypher | done done, no auth and mail sent ... now im gonna try if i mistakenly enabled an open relay .. woohoo ;) |
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| 13:18.05 | jel | sep: yep. agreed. It would be nice to have a proper email client setup at all though, given the move towards webmail |
| 13:18.16 | vezult | DeFender1031: then, ./configure; make install |
| 13:18.35 | DeFender1031 | ok |
| 13:18.39 | jel | sep: a better approach for lots of clients would be if they could get their email settings from ldap though :) |
| 13:19.17 | DeFender1031 | ./configure from where? |
| 13:20.28 | jel | sep: or, actually, what I'd like to see MOST is a hierarchical settings system, where I can set defaults for a network, and override on a per-machine, per-site, per-group, per-user etc. basis. Active Directory and some others kind of do it, but not well. |
| 13:20.58 | sep | jel, all my users have thir own domain, it would be messy |
| 13:21.15 | jhonn | someone knows the web page of kmuto custom releases of debian sarge? |
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| 13:22.08 | wols_ | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 13:22.08 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge 2.6.18 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm (See creator's warnings) |
| 13:22.54 | DeFender1031 | vezult, ./configure from where? |
| 13:23.03 | jel | sep: why? It would save you setting ANYTHING, except what needs to be set. Doesn't need to be domain-based. |
| 13:23.14 | wols_ | DeFender1031: from where there is a "configure" script |
| 13:23.19 | wols_ | find . -name configure |
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| 13:23.34 | DeFender1031 | i see configure.in |
| 13:23.38 | DeFender1031 | is that it? |
| 13:23.42 | wols_ | no |
| 13:23.46 | wols_ | read the docs then |
| 13:23.47 | frafra | hi all |
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| 13:25.31 | frafra | I've a problem with my laptop (a compaq presario 1800 18XK191) and Debian |
| 13:25.48 | DeFender1031 | wols_, it tells me to run the ./configure script but doesnt tell me where it is located |
| 13:25.59 | frafra | I don't know why, but it usually freeze... |
| 13:26.15 | amphi | frafra: only X or in console too? |
| 13:26.17 | frafra | I've tested the ram with memtest86+, but it's all ok... |
| 13:26.26 | frafra | amphi: both |
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| 13:26.35 | frafra | I've changed mi hd... |
| 13:26.37 | amphi | frafra: overheating? |
| 13:26.44 | jel | frafra: read the stuff in /var/log/messages etc. Could be your hard disk dying or something like that. |
| 13:27.13 | frafra | and I've tryed to run with: noapic nolapic acpi=off cpufreq=off, but the problem is the same |
| 13:27.19 | wols_ | DeFender1031: I told you how to search it |
| 13:27.23 | frafra | jel: the hd it's ok |
| 13:27.29 | DeFender1031 | looking |
| 13:27.48 | frafra | amphi: excuse me, I'm not english... what's overheating? |
| 13:27.57 | wols_ | getting too hot |
| 13:28.00 | amphi | frafra: did you look on linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org to see if there is a known issue with your laptop model? |
| 13:28.22 | frafra | amphi: no words about my problem |
| 13:29.14 | DeFender1031 | wols_, i dont see anything that applies to this |
| 13:29.21 | amphi | frafra: it might be getting too hot, could be worth checking |
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| 13:29.54 | amphi | frafra: you need acpi support to check with acpi -t |
| 13:30.11 | frafra | amphi: ok, I'm going to try it |
| 13:30.13 | amphi | frafra: how long does it run before freezing? |
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| 13:30.47 | frafra | amphi: it depends... it could be 2h or 5min |
| 13:31.48 | amphi | frafra: you could use logger to write the temp to the log at frequent intervals so you can check after it freezes |
| 13:32.12 | frafra | ok |
| 13:32.15 | frafra | thanks |
| 13:32.15 | Dewi | amphi: or just check right after it freezes... it shouldn't cool down too fast |
| 13:32.30 | Dewi | (frafra) |
| 13:32.54 | amphi | Dewi: mine cools fast when the load goes away |
| 13:32.57 | frafra | Dewi: thanks |
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| 13:34.39 | frafra | now I'm in knoppix 5.0.1 |
| 13:35.04 | frafra | acpi -t says: No ACPI support in kernel, or incorrect acpi_path ("/proc/acpi"). |
| 13:35.24 | amphi | frafra: perhaps you must modprobe thermal |
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| 13:35.46 | DeFender1031 | wols_, that find thingy doesnt give me any results |
| 13:36.07 | frafra | No such device error with modprobe acpi |
| 13:36.12 | wols_ | what howto or whatever told you to download what you did? |
| 13:36.30 | DeFender1031 | http://alsa-project.org/download.php |
| 13:36.32 | amphi | frafra: you didn't boot with noacpi? ;) |
| 13:36.44 | frafra | no :D |
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| 13:37.00 | wols_ | and what from there did you download? |
| 13:37.06 | frafra | I've bootted with: knoppix lang=it desktop=fluxbox :D |
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| 13:37.26 | DeFender1031 | hg clone http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver alsa-driver |
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| 13:37.40 | amphi | frafra: dunno... |
| 13:37.46 | frafra | amphi: me too :D |
| 13:37.47 | wols_ | hg clone? |
| 13:38.04 | DeFender1031 | thats what the page tells me to do is it not? |
| 13:38.04 | wols_ | frafra: #knoppix perhaps? |
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| 13:38.12 | amphi | frafra: the machine has acpi? or you need apm perhaps? |
| 13:38.27 | wols_ | DeFender1031: what IS hg clone? |
| 13:38.40 | wols_ | and you still didn't tell what you downloaded |
| 13:38.44 | frafra | amphi: I don't know... apm is loaded out of the box |
| 13:38.54 | phpnuborn | what does ln -s file1 file2 |
| 13:38.58 | phpnuborn | do? |
| 13:38.59 | DeFender1031 | no clue, but it created a directory in my home directory with a bunch of acpi stuff |
| 13:39.00 | wols_ | man ln |
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| 13:39.05 | wols_ | it's makes a symlink |
| 13:39.08 | DeFender1031 | and i didnt download anything else |
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| 13:39.22 | wols_ | DeFender1031: you didn't tell us what you downloaded either |
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| 13:39.46 | DeFender1031 | what do i need to download then? |
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| 13:39.54 | amphi | frafra: I haven't used apm for ages - can it give temperature info? |
| 13:39.59 | wols_ | and running commands you don't know anything about on advice is, forgive me, a terminally stupid idea |
| 13:40.06 | wols_ | amphi: no |
| 13:40.06 | DeFender1031 | and i apologize for being such a n00b |
| 13:40.17 | amphi | wols_: great |
| 13:40.22 | wols_ | I asked you what you DID download |
| 13:40.24 | wols_ | !noob |
| 13:40.25 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 13:40.37 | wols_ | and not even noobness can excuse not answering that question |
| 13:40.44 | frafra | amphi: mm... with apm --monitor it tell battery status and line. nothing more |
| 13:40.46 | DeFender1031 | i wasnt telling you i was apologizing |
| 13:40.54 | DutchFish | amphi: you need lm_sensors for that |
| 13:41.04 | wols_ | phpnuborn: with a aolbonics spelling deficiency |
| 13:41.06 | jetscreamer | i'm a n00b |
| 13:41.12 | DeFender1031 | wols_, i had a general idea of what it would do |
| 13:41.15 | amphi | frafra: does the web say that laptop has acpi support? |
| 13:41.28 | amphi | DutchFish: uhuh - that kills some laptops |
| 13:41.31 | wols_ | DeFender1031: but can't tell this idea to others? so no you didn't know |
| 13:41.32 | frafra | amphi: let's me searching |
| 13:41.41 | phpnuborn | what? |
| 13:41.44 | DeFender1031 | whatever |
| 13:41.55 | DeFender1031 | so how do i do this? |
| 13:42.03 | DutchFish | amphi: i am running it on a laptop without a glitch |
| 13:42.05 | wols_ | !whatever |
| 13:42.05 | dpkg | [whatever] the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 13:42.17 | DeFender1031 | yes i lost |
| 13:42.19 | DeFender1031 | i admit it |
| 13:42.19 | jetscreamer | !win me |
| 13:42.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetscreamer! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:42.23 | amphi | DutchFish: I said _some_ laptops |
| 13:42.37 | amphi | wols_: aolbonics? heh |
| 13:42.38 | wols_ | DeFender1031: then maybe you should start by learning what you did? |
| 13:42.39 | jetscreamer | it should default to windowsme in that instance |
| 13:42.42 | jeffrin | helllo all |
| 13:42.45 | DutchFish | amphi: yes, i read, but didnt know that |
| 13:42.48 | tralala | DeFender1031, compiling alsa modules is going to be a bitch |
| 13:42.53 | jeffrin | i have a problem while compiling rtlinux kernel |
| 13:43.07 | DeFender1031 | wols_, clone make a copy of an existing repository |
| 13:43.16 | wols_ | what is hg? |
| 13:43.23 | frafra | amphi: yes... and with lspci|grep ACPI it display a Intel device |
| 13:43.31 | amphi | DutchFish: I forget what it did exactly - it was a known thinkpad killer, for example |
| 13:43.38 | DeFender1031 | vezult told me to get it, ask him/her |
| 13:43.49 | tralala | DeFender1031, I don't think you'll be able to do it. Just live with the crappy sound that you have and wait for better times to come. Maybe when etch gets released you'll have a better luck. |
| 13:44.00 | DeFender1031 | it's obviously a repository acessing thingy |
| 13:44.00 | DutchFish | amphi: funny thing is i am running it on R40 and acer 435lci |
| 13:44.11 | DeFender1031 | tralala, im ON etch |
| 13:44.13 | amphi | frafra: it does? what - I have acpi here, but nothing in lspci output |
| 13:44.41 | amphi | DutchFish: old stinkpads I think |
| 13:44.42 | tralala | DeFender1031, etch will change |
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| 13:45.08 | DeFender1031 | why wont i be able to compile it? |
| 13:45.08 | amphi | DutchFish: how much more info does it give than acpi -t? I have a T42 here |
| 13:45.18 | jetscreamer | as soon as winme2 comes out, i'm erasing my ubuntu!!! |
| 13:45.22 | DutchFish | amphi: i suspect not lm_sensors but broken apic bios |
| 13:45.25 | jetscreamer | oh wait i don't have ubuntu |
| 13:45.30 | frafra | amphi: I don't know why... but I see it :D in a linux laptop guide wich describe how to use linux on a very similiar pc there is the same output |
| 13:45.32 | Phated | jetscreamer: Heh. |
| 13:45.39 | amphi | DutchFish: quite possibly |
| 13:45.44 | wols_ | jetscreamer: that's your problem. you obviously have winme |
| 13:45.47 | phpnuborn | whats wrong with ubuntu? |
| 13:46.00 | wols_ | phpnuborn: nothing |
| 13:46.01 | jetscreamer | phpnuborn: nothing really... |
| 13:46.16 | wols_ | it's just their users who come here which sometimes are |
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| 13:46.22 | amphi | frafra: so acpi should work; why not boot debian, and it will be easier to experiment ;) |
| 13:46.27 | wols_ | well, they're always wrong here unless they also run debian |
| 13:46.30 | DutchFish | amphi, on my ibm R40 i solved it with latest bios update |
| 13:46.52 | phpnuborn | why did you all pick debian ? |
| 13:46.55 | jetscreamer | actually, there's winme on this 933 i might 'inherit' |
| 13:46.56 | frafra | amphi: because I've changed hd and debian installer freeze XD |
| 13:46.57 | amphi | DutchFish: what more info does lm_sensors give you than acpi -t? |
| 13:47.05 | jetscreamer | phpnuborn: it worked. |
| 13:47.06 | amphi | frafra: ah :( |
| 13:47.08 | DeFender1031 | phpnuborn, one word: APT |
| 13:47.10 | DutchFish | amphi: vens, mem etc |
| 13:47.19 | wols_ | !why debian |
| 13:47.19 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 13:47.48 | jetscreamer | plus, i wanted to hang out with the cool kids |
| 13:47.50 | amphi | DutchFish: what about mem? 'vens' I presume is fans? |
| 13:47.53 | DutchFish | amphi: ven-speed* |
| 13:47.54 | DeFender1031 | tralala, why wont i be able to compile it? |
| 13:47.59 | wols_ | jetscreamer: #ubuntu ? |
| 13:48.04 | jetscreamer | peer pressure donchewknow |
| 13:48.10 | jetscreamer | wols_: what about it |
| 13:48.10 | amphi | DutchFish: fan-speed I can hear ;) |
| 13:48.22 | DutchFish | amphi: not remote ;) |
| 13:48.23 | frafra | amphi: now I'm booting with acpi=on :D |
| 13:48.27 | wols_ | DeFender1031: cause you're too new and don't know enough about linux/debian to succeed |
| 13:48.38 | amphi | frafra: good idea ;) |
| 13:48.39 | tralala | DeFender1031, compiling kernel shit is not easy |
| 13:48.43 | wols_ | jetscreamer: cool kids |
| 13:48.43 | DeFender1031 | that's why im asking people who arent |
| 13:48.46 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:48.48 | amphi | DutchFish: true |
| 13:49.01 | jetscreamer | wols_: no i meant YOU and your posse |
| 13:49.03 | wols_ | tralala: it is easy. if you stay with a vanilla kernel. with patching stuff in however... |
| 13:49.21 | wols_ | grumpy old fart |
| 13:49.37 | amphi | curmudgeon ;) |
| 13:49.37 | DeFender1031 | if someone guides me through the process step by step i could do it |
| 13:49.39 | jetscreamer | you're probably young enough to be my son |
| 13:49.42 | tralala | wols_, it's not easy even then |
| 13:49.54 | Roey | hey all |
| 13:49.55 | Roey | hi amphi |
| 13:49.56 | Roey | tralala |
| 13:49.59 | amphi | DeFender1031: but who would care to? ;) |
| 13:50.04 | amphi | hey Roey |
| 13:50.08 | wols_ | DeFender1031: unlikely you find someone hand holding you. the one would have to do all the work for you basically. hard to find |
| 13:50.11 | termx | Hi, how can I handle kernel modules loading? |
| 13:50.21 | jetscreamer | modconf |
| 13:50.22 | wols_ | handle? |
| 13:50.26 | Roey | amphi: have you heard anything about firefox/iceweasel 2's availability on sid? |
| 13:50.28 | azeem | jetscreamer: eh, that is from the 90s, no? |
| 13:50.33 | jetscreamer | or modprobe and edit /etc/modules |
| 13:50.35 | azeem | is that even ported to 2.6? |
| 13:50.40 | DutchFish | termx, /etc/modules ? |
| 13:50.41 | amphi | Roey: I have not |
| 13:50.43 | azeem | termx: /etc/modprobe.d |
| 13:50.51 | jetscreamer | modconf? yeah it's still there |
| 13:51.03 | wols_ | jetscreamer: you think so? only my mental age is young. my biological is quite different |
| 13:51.25 | wols_ | and my disposition is a perfect curmudgeonly grumpy old man :) |
| 13:51.28 | Roey | Also, how do I install Flash 9 on debian-amd64/sid ? (say I already have an ia32 chroot environment up, how do I install it in there?) |
| 13:51.30 | frafra | amphi: same problem |
| 13:51.37 | jetscreamer | as played by dana carvey |
| 13:51.39 | DeFender1031 | this just proves my view on linux. it's a wonderful OS and very easy to use, as long as you don't want to set up anything complicated. then it's a bitch |
| 13:51.41 | Roey | or flash 11 or whatever the newly-released Flash is |
| 13:51.45 | amphi | frafra: what same problem? |
| 13:51.58 | wols_ | DeFender1031: you've never seen windows hm? |
| 13:52.00 | amphi | frafra: what happens if you do 'modprobe thermal' ? |
| 13:52.06 | termx | azeem: ok, but in /etc/modprobe.d there aren't all loaded modules... |
| 13:52.13 | frafra | amphi: on such device |
| 13:52.15 | wols_ | that is complicated if you leave the trodden path |
| 13:52.18 | azeem | termx: well, maybe you should describe your problem in detail |
| 13:52.19 | DeFender1031 | wols_, windows sucks, but makes it easy to set things up |
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| 13:52.33 | wols_ | no. not if you leave the path like you just did |
| 13:52.34 | amphi | DeFender1031: it's not a bitch, you just have to spend some quality time with TFM ;) |
| 13:52.39 | wols_ | then it's not hard, it's impossible |
| 13:52.39 | jetscreamer | everything is easy to set up in linux |
| 13:52.42 | DeFender1031 | TFM? |
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| 13:52.47 | DeFender1031 | whats TFM? |
| 13:52.49 | tralala | DeFender1031, indeed. Both for you and for the counteless number of worms out there. |
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| 13:52.53 | Phated | The freaking manual. |
| 13:52.54 | amphi | !tfm |
| 13:52.54 | dpkg | i guess tfm is what you should r |
| 13:52.54 | wols_ | the FINE manual |
| 13:52.56 | termx | azeem: I have to load one module before another, but I dunno howto do it |
| 13:52.57 | jetscreamer | it's the learning how to set it up that's not as easy |
| 13:53.13 | cast | DeFender1031: eh. dont you mean windows is a wonderful os and very easy to use as long as you dont want to set up anything complicated...opinions opinions. ahh well. my two cents: linux is a kernel, not an OS. |
| 13:53.14 | wols_ | termx: /etc/modules |
| 13:53.33 | amphi | frafra: does acpi=force make any difference? |
| 13:53.37 | azeem | wols_: are those guaranteed to get loaded first? |
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| 13:53.48 | DeFender1031 | cast, windows is not wonderful |
| 13:54.00 | frafra | amphi: let's me try |
| 13:54.02 | jetscreamer | windows is as good as it's admin |
| 13:54.05 | DeFender1031 | memory leaks, bad allocation etc. |
| 13:54.08 | Phated | cast: Oh, semantics, semantics. s/linux/GNU\/linux/g mentally if you must :) |
| 13:54.09 | wols_ | azeem: since I never used udev, can't say |
| 13:54.13 | tralala | sure it is - my mother likes it |
| 13:54.36 | wols_ | DeFender1031: you just describe all X programs :) |
| 13:54.38 | cast | Phated: its worth pointing out the distinction. at the very least so people don't think RH7.0 is "linux" |
| 13:54.55 | wols_ | cast: lost cause. pick better battles |
| 13:55.18 | jetscreamer | Phated: long time no see btw |
| 13:55.18 | DeFender1031 | wols_, the difference is (as far as i understand it) that linux frees allocated memory when a program terminates |
| 13:55.41 | wols_ | DeFender1031: welll.... so does windows |
| 13:55.46 | DeFender1031 | anyway, where can i get a tutorial on how to do this stuff? |
| 13:55.47 | Phated | cast: Mm, 's gnu/linux, etc, etc. semantics nonetheless. |
| 13:55.52 | Phated | jetscreamer: You too. How's things? |
| 13:55.54 | DeFender1031 | wols_, that wasnt my understanding of it |
| 13:55.59 | azeem | discussing windows vs. linux is not the main purpose of this channel |
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| 13:56.19 | wols_ | DeFender1031: then you understood wrong. I didn't say I liked the windows VM, but it does release DLLs and other memory. eventually |
| 13:56.21 | jetscreamer | sameish |
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| 13:56.42 | Phated | jetscreamer: Is that good or bad? :) |
| 13:57.55 | tralala | DeFender1031, you have to spend an amount of days and nights fighting it and eventually after learning a lot about the kernel and compiling stuff (automake, make, configure, gcc, etc) you'll make it |
| 13:58.45 | DeFender1031 | how do i go about learning this stuff? |
| 13:58.46 | frafra | amphi: yes! acpi works!!! :D |
| 13:58.55 | amphi | frafra: rejoice! |
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| 13:59.22 | amphi | frafra: so now boot the debian installer with that and see if you can get through the install ;) |
| 13:59.34 | frafra | amphi: thanks ;) |
| 13:59.44 | frafra | amphi: sarge with 2.6 it's ok? |
| 13:59.49 | jetscreamer | Phated: not bad, should be better, i'm too lazy :/ |
| 13:59.50 | tralala | DeFender1031, start by reading stuff like README and INSTALL |
| 14:00.10 | Phated | jetscreamer: Right, |
| 14:00.11 | amphi | frafra: you could look at dmesg output perhaps, and see why acpi was not used by default, and needed 'force' |
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| 14:00.28 | amphi | frafra: sarge with 2.6 is very ok |
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| 14:01.40 | frafra | amphi: thanks :D |
| 14:02.01 | mwarning | hi, is there a way to find unused libs. I did some search but didn't find anything, yet. |
| 14:02.14 | DeFender1031 | can someone just tell me what ./configure is and why i can't find it? |
| 14:02.14 | tralala | mwarning, deborphan |
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| 14:02.51 | tralala | DeFender1031, likely you need automake |
| 14:03.01 | amphi | frafra: you're welcome |
| 14:03.05 | mwarning | tralala: thank you |
| 14:03.07 | DeFender1031 | how do i get automake? |
| 14:03.09 | frafra | :) |
| 14:03.11 | tralala | mwarning: you're welcome |
| 14:03.30 | tralala | DeFender1031, aptitude search automake |
| 14:03.31 | amphi | DeFender1031: aptitude install build-essential is the easiest |
| 14:03.54 | DeFender1031 | you mean apt-get? |
| 14:03.56 | stew | automaken aren't in build-essential |
| 14:04.25 | jetscreamer | either/or |
| 14:04.34 | jetscreamer | apt or apt-titude |
| 14:04.43 | blondie | NO |
| 14:04.47 | bolidz | aptitude is the gfx version of apt |
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| 14:04.56 | tralala | bolidz, wrong |
| 14:04.59 | bolidz | gfx in txt mode |
| 14:05.01 | jetscreamer | gfx? |
| 14:05.03 | stew | bolidz: that's not very acurrate, it is also command line |
| 14:05.15 | amphi | stew: oops, my bad |
| 14:05.22 | bolidz | ah , i didnt manage the packages ? |
| 14:05.23 | exhale | :< |
| 14:05.28 | cast | i wonder how much that has cost aptitude, so many people think its just another dselect |
| 14:05.38 | jetscreamer | my house got invaded by mosquitoes :/ |
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| 14:05.54 | jetscreamer | aptitude is not as good as dselect |
| 14:05.56 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 14:06.04 | Braindead | yes. it's way better |
| 14:06.07 | tralala | jetscreamer, aptitude install nets-on-windows (not windows networking) |
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| 14:06.33 | DeFender1031 | ok, got automake, still no configure thingy |
| 14:06.42 | jetscreamer | tralala: the door got left open yesterday :/ the only point of entry, all else has screens |
| 14:06.45 | frafra | amphi: it seems work :) and it's not noise :D |
| 14:06.54 | karlp_ | when I do apt-get install xserer-xorg, it wants to install a whole bunch of xserver-xorg-vider-[drivertype] packages |
| 14:07.04 | jetscreamer | karlp_: yep |
| 14:07.05 | karlp_ | is there an easy way to tell it just to install a certain type? |
| 14:07.07 | stew | DeFender1031: does whatever you are comiling come with an INSTALL or a README? |
| 14:07.10 | amphi | frafra: cool - what noise are you talking about? |
| 14:07.12 | tralala | DeFender1031, did you see the README yet? |
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| 14:07.18 | jetscreamer | karlp_: don't use that particular metapackage |
| 14:07.19 | DeFender1031 | stew, yes |
| 14:07.27 | DeFender1031 | and it says to run ./config |
| 14:07.33 | karlp_ | jetscreamer: what's a better one? |
| 14:07.34 | DeFender1031 | ./configure* |
| 14:07.44 | stew | DeFender1031: but it doesn't come with a configure ? does it come with a configure.in or a configure.ac? |
| 14:07.46 | karlp_ | or better yet, why doesn't apt-get install vncserver install whatever the minimum is? |
| 14:07.58 | DeFender1031 | stew, a .in yes |
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| 14:08.24 | frafra | amphi: about the fan noise :D |
| 14:08.25 | stew | DeFender1031: and the INSTALL doesn't say anything about running autoconf, or automake, or libtool? |
| 14:08.42 | amphi | frafra: the fan was on all the time before? |
| 14:09.04 | DeFender1031 | stew, no |
| 14:09.14 | Braindead | karlp_: because X may as well work from remote. you don't need a local x server for it to work |
| 14:09.45 | jetscreamer | karlp_: not sure... you have to check the dependencies, or apt-cache show the metapackage, to see. |
| 14:09.47 | tralala | karlp_, it installs exactly what the minimum is |
| 14:10.11 | stew | DeFender1031: that is odd, you could try running automake -a && autoconf |
| 14:10.14 | stew | DeFender1031: what software is it? |
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| 14:10.16 | frafra | amphi: yes :) |
| 14:10.28 | tralala | stew, alsa cvs |
| 14:10.30 | DeFender1031 | stew, alsa drivers |
| 14:10.55 | stew | DeFender1031: why are you compiling alsa drivers yourself? |
| 14:11.00 | stew | DeFender1031: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:11.19 | exhale | stew, your kernel |
| 14:11.22 | tralala | because of a sheitty intel card |
| 14:11.22 | DeFender1031 | you mean what kernel am i running? |
| 14:11.24 | stew | exhale: huh? |
| 14:11.33 | DeFender1031 | 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 14:11.39 | exhale | stew, nm |
| 14:11.43 | Doat | why isn't LAME in the repositories? |
| 14:11.45 | stew | DeFender1031: what is wrong with the built in alsa drivers? |
| 14:11.57 | tralala | Doat, for legal reasons |
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| 14:12.03 | DeFender1031 | don't seem to be supporting my sound card |
| 14:12.13 | stew | Doat: becuase using it lecally may require you to pay a licensing fee |
| 14:12.13 | cydork | Doat: /msg dpkg lame |
| 14:12.14 | Braindead | Doat: licence issues. |
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| 14:12.38 | stew | DeFender1031: what sound card? |
| 14:12.50 | stew | err s/lecally/legally/ |
| 14:13.06 | azeem | is there a way in irssi to ignore everything except highlights on myself in a chan? |
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| 14:13.40 | DeFender1031 | stew, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
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| 14:14.12 | stew | DeFender1031: and snd-intel-hda isn't working? |
| 14:14.22 | tralala | azeem, a combination of -regexp and -except should do imo |
| 14:14.23 | DeFender1031 | not correctly |
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| 14:14.31 | azeem | hrm |
| 14:14.44 | DeFender1031 | its at max volums and is half what it should be, in addition it sounds grainy |
| 14:15.34 | stew | DeFender1031: you are adjusting both the master and pcm volumes? |
| 14:15.39 | DeFender1031 | yes |
| 14:16.24 | tralala | DeFender1031, did you try automake already? |
| 14:17.00 | DeFender1031 | tralala, huh? |
| 14:17.18 | Bladerunner05 | hi all, when I connect to a client with putty (on my windows machine) all goes fine. but in the same network if I try to connect to the same server with a linux box (debian) with ssh the server ask me the password I type and the it freeze the session, no answer e no connection, why this ? |
| 14:17.45 | petemc | Bladerunner05: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 14:18.33 | tralala | DeFender1031, huh what? |
| 14:18.41 | frafra | how to disable dhcp client at boot? |
| 14:18.44 | DeFender1031 | automake what? |
| 14:18.47 | Bladerunner05 | this happen with all the server I call |
| 14:18.55 | tralala | DeFender1031, automake the alsa |
| 14:19.01 | DeFender1031 | how? |
| 14:19.12 | tralala | cd /path/to/alsa/source; automake |
| 14:19.12 | cydork | azeem: it can be set in the theme file using options for /FORMAT afaik. |
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| 14:20.08 | petemc | DeFender1031: check logs, try ssh -vvv user@host |
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| 14:20.18 | cydork | azeem: nm :P |
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| 14:20.40 | DeFender1031 | petemc, what? |
| 14:21.04 | Mon | if i get the "package is in a very bad inconsistent state" error, what's basically the problem? apt-get -f and dpkg just keeps me going in circles |
| 14:21.05 | petemc | DeFender1031: which part dont you understand? |
| 14:21.05 | tralala | DeFender1031, that's not for you |
| 14:21.07 | azeem | petemc: eh, what are you talking about? |
| 14:21.08 | petemc | gah |
| 14:21.09 | petemc | sorry |
| 14:21.12 | stew | Mon: put the actual output into a pastebin |
| 14:21.17 | stew | Mon: (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 14:21.19 | tralala | petemc, get yourself together |
| 14:21.37 | petemc | its monday.. |
| 14:21.53 | DeFender1031 | tralala, i have no idea where the source is |
| 14:22.04 | Mon | well i'd like some general info, but ok :) |
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| 14:22.25 | tralala | DeFender1031, the place with the configure.in and README and so on |
| 14:22.30 | DeFender1031 | k |
| 14:22.31 | zanpakuto | anyone familiar with firehol? |
| 14:22.44 | Mon | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4276 |
| 14:22.50 | DeFender1031 | configure.in: 23: `automake requires `AM_CONFIG_HEADER', not `AC_CONFIG_HEADER' |
| 14:22.51 | DeFender1031 | automake: configure.in: `PACKAGE' not defined in `configure.in' |
| 14:22.51 | DeFender1031 | automake: configure.in: required file `./mkinstalldirs' not found |
| 14:22.51 | DeFender1031 | automake: configure.in: required file `./missing' not found |
| 14:22.51 | DeFender1031 | automake: no `Makefile.am' found or specified |
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| 14:23.25 | DeFender1031 | sorry |
| 14:23.35 | stew | Mon: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:23.35 | DeFender1031 | didnt think five lines counted as flooding |
| 14:23.57 | azeem | DeFender1031: sorry, the threshold is four lines |
| 14:24.02 | azeem | to keep the channel readable |
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| 14:24.21 | DeFender1031 | ok |
| 14:24.36 | Mon | stew: i'd rather not tell :) i'd just like to know some general info on how this error is caused or perhaps can be fixed |
| 14:24.36 | DeFender1031 | anyway automake didnt work |
| 14:24.47 | tralala | DeFender1031, time to go google hunting for compiling instructions |
| 14:24.56 | Mon | btw a dist-upgrade was interupted, could that have anything to do with it? |
| 14:24.57 | DeFender1031 | tried that before coming here |
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| 14:25.06 | cydork | Mon: you not running debian then :) |
| 14:25.10 | Mon | :) |
| 14:25.42 | tralala | DeFender1031, try reaching the alsa devs, searching the alsa lists, etc |
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| 14:25.49 | frafra | wawawa :( |
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| 14:25.56 | wireddd | Mon, well theres your problem, you aren't running debian |
| 14:26.01 | DeFender1031 | crap |
| 14:26.02 | frafra | kernel panic :( |
| 14:26.04 | Mon | guess so... |
| 14:26.16 | mandingo | what's the kernel panic error say? |
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| 14:26.22 | frafra | Fatal ecception in interrput |
| 14:26.22 | cydork | Mon: then please go to the channel which dedicated to that distro.. |
| 14:26.27 | stew | Mon: i'd point you to the bts if you were running debian. but if you'd rather withhold information i need to help you, i'd rather not help |
| 14:26.32 | tralala | DeFender1031, I told you - compiling kernel shit is a bitch |
| 14:26.35 | amphi | frafra: how disappointing |
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| 14:27.23 | frafra | amphi: I was writing my password in a shell while it was installing the biggest part of the sistem |
| 14:27.31 | DeFender1031 | tralala, i know *sniff*, all i want is my computer to do what it was designed for on an OS that it wasn't designed for, why is this so hard? |
| 14:27.37 | amphi | frafra: damn :( |
| 14:27.43 | Mon | ah well too bad |
| 14:27.48 | amphi | frafra: fan came on at all? |
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| 14:27.57 | stew | DeFender1031: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:28.05 | frafra | amphi: no |
| 14:28.06 | DeFender1031 | etch |
| 14:28.13 | Mon | i'm not sure how to say this in a, well peacefull way, but isn't it a bit lame to screw all !debian distro's like this? |
| 14:28.16 | frafra | amphi: now seems die XD |
| 14:28.21 | tralala | DeFender1031, hardware sucks, you know |
| 14:28.28 | frafra | amphi: hard lock |
| 14:28.32 | abrotman | Mon: this channel is to support Debian .. not Debian-based distros |
| 14:28.32 | Mon | i mean ofc. i shouldnt ask *buntu/mandriva etc. questions here. but just general dpkg info? |
| 14:28.33 | stew | DeFender1031: you might give 2.6.18 a try, it may have a newer version of alsa |
| 14:28.38 | wols_ | especially hardware designed for windows |
| 14:28.41 | DeFender1031 | MY hardware doesn't suck |
| 14:28.47 | amphi | frafra: yeah, kernel panic is a true death experience ;) |
| 14:28.52 | stew | DeFender1031: can you put the output of "amixer" into a pastebin? |
| 14:28.54 | DeFender1031 | stew, .18 is out? |
| 14:28.55 | abrotman | Mon: but you are asking non-debian questions .. those derivatives patch their sources |
| 14:29.02 | hq4ever | How would I tell fstab to mount a loop file system on boot (this is a swap fs) ? |
| 14:29.05 | tralala | DeFender1031, yours does particularly badly |
| 14:29.10 | abrotman | Mon: and since we don't use them, we don't konw how they are patched or if they work differently |
| 14:29.26 | Mon | you think they patched/sc#wed apt/dpkg too? |
| 14:29.34 | DeFender1031 | tralala, debian's support of it does, not my hardware |
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| 14:29.44 | abrotman | i have no idea .. i don't use your distro .. which is why you should ask the distro for your channel |
| 14:29.45 | DeFender1031 | stew, how do i do that? |
| 14:29.51 | stew | Mon: yes, but you aren't having a dpkg/apt problem, you are having a nautilus problem |
| 14:29.59 | stew | DeFender1031: you'd have to get it from unstable |
| 14:30.00 | DeFender1031 | ive never used pastebin |
| 14:30.05 | Mon | hm probably |
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| 14:30.12 | frafra | amphi: it will dead and born forever? |
| 14:30.13 | tralala | DeFender1031, you have a problem with linux, not with debian |
| 14:30.14 | Mon | well thanks for at least giving some decent answers all |
| 14:30.17 | wols_ | stew: isn't there a backport for 2.6.18 now? |
| 14:30.20 | stew | DeFender1031: paste.debian.net, paste the output, then give us the resulting url |
| 14:30.23 | DeFender1031 | tralala, true |
| 14:30.31 | stew | wols_: dunno, but there aren't backports for etch |
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| 14:30.36 | wols_ | true |
| 14:31.06 | jetscreamer | why would you need a backport for etch |
| 14:31.11 | amphi | frafra: it'll probably do it again; perhaps try acpi=force nolapic/noapic |
| 14:31.20 | phanter | hello. I need to reinstall my debian server, but I would like to migrate my user accounts and other settings. How can I do this? |
| 14:31.22 | amphi | frafra: but I'm just guessing |
| 14:31.24 | frafra | amphi: ok! ;) |
| 14:31.32 | frafra | perfect XD |
| 14:31.40 | amphi | frafra: so expect littk=le ;) |
| 14:31.45 | amphi | er, little |
| 14:31.45 | DeFender1031 | http://paste.debian.net/15828 |
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| 14:31.47 | abrotman | phanter: why reinstalll ? |
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| 14:31.50 | wols_ | phanter: backup /etc /var /home |
| 14:31.52 | frafra | yes... but a new laptop is not free :D |
| 14:31.57 | hq4ever | correction: In what file should I put command that I want to run at boot time (...local... something?) |
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| 14:32.16 | Braindead | !tell hq4ever about rc.local |
| 14:32.17 | phanter | abrotman: I need to install it on a LVM formatted disk (did not yet figure out how to do that) |
| 14:32.22 | wols_ | phanter: accounts and passwortds are in /etc and /home |
| 14:32.31 | abrotman | the installer will ask you how |
| 14:32.37 | hq4ever | dpkg: tell me something ;) |
| 14:32.42 | DeFender1031 | stew, whats the story? |
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| 14:32.52 | Mitar | if I have a chroot without suid programs and I allow writing to passwd file in it - is this a security hole? |
| 14:32.56 | hq4ever | where is rc.local located ? |
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| 14:33.11 | stew | DeFender1031: what do you mean? |
| 14:33.13 | abrotman | !ig |
| 14:33.13 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 14:33.20 | DeFender1031 | the pastebin |
| 14:33.27 | hq4ever | !rc.local |
| 14:33.28 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 14:33.31 | Braindead | hq4ever: read what dpkg told ya. rc.local entered sid for compatiblity reasons and I still don't know if it will make transition to etch |
| 14:33.36 | stew | DeFender1031: oh, sorry, i missed your paste |
| 14:33.45 | Braindead | hq4ever: dpkg already told you that in a nice query |
| 14:33.48 | DeFender1031 | tis ok |
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| 14:33.55 | wireddd | synce doesn't support my pda phone :( |
| 14:34.11 | idanimrod | hello, how many cds do i have to d/l for a base install? |
| 14:34.12 | stew | DeFender1031: that's the entire output? |
| 14:34.17 | DeFender1031 | yep |
| 14:34.22 | amphi | wireddd: perhaps multisync? |
| 14:34.23 | tralala | idanimrod, the netinst cd |
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| 14:34.24 | dendrite | idanimrod: 1 |
| 14:34.26 | hq4ever | bhhh, so where should I put my swapon /swapfile command then ? |
| 14:34.35 | hq4ever | I don't want a full blown init script for that :( |
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| 14:34.46 | idanimrod | someone told me before the netinst cd caused him some trouble |
| 14:34.54 | idanimrod | and it can be troublesome |
| 14:34.57 | tralala | hq4ever, man fstab |
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| 14:35.21 | wols_ | idanimrod: what hardware do you have? what chipset on your mobo? |
| 14:35.33 | wols_ | hq4ever: why not? |
| 14:35.34 | inspired | I have compiled two modules for my raidcore s-ata adapter and placed them on a floppy. debian asks me to insert a floppy during installation to load these modules, but complains that it cannot read them. if I open a new console window and load them with insmod then they work ok. should I use some special directory structure on the floppy in order for the installer to find the modules? |
| 14:35.39 | tralala | idanimrod, try it yourself and see if it's troublesome or not |
| 14:35.50 | hq4ever | tralala, it doesn't work. I have a swap _file_ not a swap partition |
| 14:35.54 | Braindead | mmm the change was introducted in initscripts version 2.86.ds1-16,etch now has 2.86.ds1-20 so the dpkg info is a little outdated |
| 14:36.01 | wireddd | amphi, multisync is based off of syncce |
| 14:36.01 | tralala | hq4ever, it does *not* matter |
| 14:36.01 | idanimrod | athlon xp 2800 on an epox 8rda3i nforce2 chipset |
| 14:36.04 | wireddd | err synce |
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| 14:36.08 | wols_ | hq4ever: it DOES work if you set your fstab right |
| 14:36.08 | DeFender1031 | stew, so? |
| 14:36.23 | inspired | does anyone have any experience with loading modules from a floppy during installation? |
| 14:36.28 | hq4ever | wols_, don't know seems like an overkill |
| 14:36.37 | irieken | Can anyone ballpark memory usage of the current debian unstable running fluxbox? |
| 14:36.56 | cydork | irieken: ballpark? |
| 14:36.56 | hq4ever | tralala, great so could you please provide the correct fstab line ? |
| 14:36.56 | tralala | hq4ever, no it seems like the correct way of dealing with swap |
| 14:37.05 | hq4ever | becuase it didn't worked for me |
| 14:37.14 | SlayerXP | irieken: about this much -> <- |
| 14:37.15 | wols_ | irieken: not possible. ever seen what a browser eats in memory? an office program? |
| 14:37.19 | SlayerXP | irieken: (not to scale) |
| 14:37.26 | irieken | I have a libretto 110CT that is running DSL-N, and I'm considering moving to a vanilla debian install. The machine is maxed out at 64 megs of RAM. |
| 14:37.40 | irieken | Slayer: Well, Ubunut won't run on the thing usably. |
| 14:37.54 | tralala | hq4ever, no |
| 14:38.29 | wols_ | tralala: instead of the swap partition devicename, set the filename |
| 14:38.31 | irieken | Wols: I know, but DSL runs fine with browser. The machine is usable as long as it's not ALWAY running in swap. |
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| 14:38.36 | wols_ | hq4ever: ^^ |
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| 14:38.38 | tralala | wols_, I will, thanks |
| 14:38.44 | wols_ | irieken: what browser? |
| 14:38.46 | wols_ | tralala: :P |
| 14:38.50 | tralala | ;) |
| 14:39.14 | hq4ever | ok, will try again - Thanks guys ! |
| 14:39.25 | wols_ | and how much does the browser need. fluxbox should work with debian. and you couild trim a bit of the startup too, or best run sarge (imho) |
| 14:39.34 | wols_ | with 64MB I mean |
| 14:39.52 | wols_ | e.g. don't use exim4 for MTA and the like |
| 14:39.59 | tralala | links2 -g! |
| 14:40.14 | wols_ | disable hotplug, maybe even build your own kernel with trmming the fat if you can |
| 14:40.18 | amphi | irieken: I used fluxbox ok on 32 mb ram (potato and woody) |
| 14:40.22 | irieken | Wols: Seamonkey. But Firefox works fine too (most of its memory usage is cache). |
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| 14:40.49 | tralala | I have a sarge router with 32mb of ram |
| 14:40.49 | wols_ | irieken: basically prune it a bit (will still be a full debian) |
| 14:41.06 | wols_ | tralala: X is always the big problem. not the core sys :) |
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| 14:41.30 | FernandoMM | Could someone tell me how do i totally disable anonymous login on pureftpd? |
| 14:41.37 | irieken | Wols: Alright. Was just worried about jumping into it, and finding that I was best off using something like DSL (which doesn't allow me to use any devices plugged into my USB PCcard). |
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| 14:41.39 | tralala | meh, you have to shell out some money if you want X |
| 14:41.40 | wols_ | irieken: I'm curious what video driver for X do you use? |
| 14:41.55 | irieken | Wols: neomagic2160 |
| 14:42.02 | wols_ | irieken: what I don't like about DSL and similar is the lack of upgrades and support |
| 14:42.13 | wols_ | apart from that DSL is a great little distro |
| 14:42.55 | hq4ever | /swapfile none swap sw 0 0 |
| 14:42.58 | hq4ever | worked |
| 14:43.03 | wols_ | miracle! |
| 14:43.08 | hq4ever | :) |
| 14:43.17 | irieken | Wols: I agree. DSL is great for what it's intended -- low resource desktop computers. |
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| 14:43.43 | irieken | bbl. |
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| 14:59.07 | S4nD3r | I tried using openoffice |
| 14:59.13 | S4nD3r | but its loose all setup of page |
| 14:59.14 | wols_ | DeFender1031: .18 is in sid only |
| 14:59.21 | jel | cydork: that doesn't convert to pdf accurately... does it? |
| 14:59.42 | DeFender1031 | wols_, and should appear on the unstable packages page no? |
| 14:59.44 | wols_ | S4nD3r: use wv yes. has even less bugs on linux than windows as I recently found out |
| 15:00.04 | jel | S4nD3r: it's probably the best you'll get. At least with OO, you can fix it up before exporting. |
| 15:00.12 | cydork | jel: it does, atleast i never had any hickups :) |
| 15:00.21 | S4nD3r | Some problem running latex. |
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| 15:00.21 | S4nD3r | Check for Errors in teste.log |
| 15:00.27 | S4nD3r | Conversion into dvi failed |
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| 15:00.38 | DeFender1031 | oops, wrong button |
| 15:00.49 | jel | cydork: oooh, that's neat :) |
| 15:00.51 | wols_ | DeFender1031: packages.debian.org is broken. |
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| 15:01.06 | DeFender1031 | then how can i get .18? |
| 15:01.07 | wols_ | linux-image-2.6.18-1-486 is in sid. adjust the "486" to your CPU |
| 15:01.18 | S4nD3r | I wasn't able to read the size data for this font, |
| 15:01.23 | S4nD3r | so I will ignore the font specification. |
| 15:01.23 | DeFender1031 | huh? |
| 15:01.28 | S4nD3r | [Wizards can fix TFM files using TFtoPL/PLtoTF.] |
| 15:01.35 | S4nD3r | You might try inserting a different font spec; |
| 15:01.42 | S4nD3r | e.g., type `I\font<same font id>=<substitute font name>'. |
| 15:01.45 | S4nD3r | this is the error |
| 15:01.45 | DeFender1031 | is there a way i can change apt temporarily to think i'm in unstable? |
| 15:02.02 | wols_ | DeFender1031: add sid sources to your sources.list |
| 15:02.07 | stew | DeFender1031: you don't want to do that, you might want /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix |
| 15:02.12 | wols_ | and then get 2.6.18 from sid |
| 15:02.14 | DeFender1031 | dont know how to do that |
| 15:02.20 | frafra | amphi: I've install debian with acpi=force noapic nolapic, but there is another kernel panic |
| 15:02.33 | frafra | kjournald exit with preempt_count 2 |
| 15:02.37 | frafra | -.- |
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| 15:03.18 | stew | DeFender1031: you can just download it from http://package.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 |
| 15:03.18 | DeFender1031 | stew, then how would i want to do it? |
| 15:03.32 | DeFender1031 | and then how do i install it? |
| 15:03.34 | stew | DeFender1031: one of the two ways i just told you |
| 15:03.35 | frafra | but no hard freeze |
| 15:03.48 | stew | DeFender1031: man dpkg |
| 15:03.58 | DeFender1031 | repeat them pleaze i accidently closed the window |
| 15:04.28 | stew | 10:03 < stew> DeFender1031: you can just download it from http://package.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 10:02 < stew> DeFender1031: you don't want to do that, you might want /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix |
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| 15:04.50 | DeFender1031 | that doesnt explain how to install them |
| 15:05.06 | DeFender1031 | how do i install it after downloading from http://package.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.18-1-686? |
| 15:05.12 | d0uglas | can i use bing to estimate the speed of my office's connection to the isp or is bing only [vaguely] accurate between two remote hops with larger latencies than a local lan |
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| 15:09.44 | stew | DeFender1031: man dpkg |
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| 15:11.12 | D-Fender1031 | stew, huh? |
| 15:11.16 | keith80403 | ^rob^, Would Fedora Legacy have the php4 and MySQL 4 packages you want? |
| 15:11.18 | D-Fender1031 | oh |
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| 15:11.32 | D-Fender1031 | dpkg is a command |
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| 15:11.48 | D-Fender1031 | but it tells me that the server is down |
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| 15:12.30 | stew | huh? |
| 15:12.44 | D-Fender1031 | send me the link to .18 again |
| 15:13.00 | Mac38DO | Hi! My mysql-log creates only empty (0 bytes) files. Only binary-loggings works. |
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| 15:14.56 | scenestar | when is etch hitting stable, and can anyone tell me which version of gnome it ships with |
| 15:15.08 | scenestar | and will nvidia-glx be included |
| 15:15.14 | cast | scenestar: when its ready, and 2.14 |
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| 15:15.37 | stew | scenestar: /msg dpkg wwer |
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| 15:17.05 | scenestar | allright, still though can anyone tell me about the status of nvdia-glx |
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| 15:18.08 | stew | scenestar: /msg dpkg why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
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| 15:19.43 | amphi | frafra: your computer is haunted ;) |
| 15:19.59 | frafra | amphi: what's? XD |
| 15:20.12 | amphi | frafra: a ghost inside... |
| 15:20.28 | amphi | frafra: fantasma or whatever |
| 15:20.50 | jonas24 | is there a way i can stop eclipse from searching and finding gcj; it does it even when gcj is removed from java's alternatives |
| 15:21.39 | frafra | amphi: yes XD |
| 15:22.03 | stew | jonas22: use the -vm argument to eclipse |
| 15:22.06 | D-Fender1031 | stew, send me the link to .18 again |
| 15:22.15 | stew | D-Fender1031: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 15:22.24 | stew | jonas22: perhaps: /usr/bin/eclipse -vm /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/bin/java |
| 15:22.38 | jonas22 | stew, I'm doing that but it seems kinda temporary |
| 15:22.54 | jonas22 | i'd rather eclipse just behave properly |
| 15:23.05 | jonas22 | i guess it does stop it from searching though |
| 15:23.21 | stew | jonas22: echo "#!/bin/sh\n/usr/bin/eclipse -vm /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/bin/java" > /usr/local/bin/eclipse && chmod +x /usr/local/bin/eclipse |
| 15:23.29 | D-Fender1031 | stew, the exact link, i couldn't find it that way |
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| 15:23.46 | stew | D-Fender1031: http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 |
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| 15:25.31 | DutchFish | jonas22: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=eclipse |
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| 15:26.57 | ivh | Hello, I have a box running etch and the fast-cgi module for apache was removed in the upgrade today and there seems to be no replacement. Is this by purpose or maybe a known problem? |
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| 15:28.47 | jel | ivh: it may be in another package.. |
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| 15:30.44 | ivh | jel: I looked, but the only package that seems to be supposed to hold mod_fcgid.so is libapache2-mod-fcgid |
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| 15:31.53 | EvilDin | hi, how can i update clock from shell ? |
| 15:31.57 | stew | ivh: it was likely removed for the apache 2.0->2.2 transition, /msg dpkg why is libapache2-mod-fcgid |
| 15:32.14 | DutchFish | EvilDin: ntpdate? |
| 15:32.48 | EvilDin | nope |
| 15:32.50 | jel | ivh: if you need to revert, look for the debs on debian's servers (google for something like "mod fcgid debian pool" |
| 15:32.54 | DutchFish | EvilDin: or you mean simply set time/date? |
| 15:32.54 | EvilDin | i don't have this tool |
| 15:33.02 | EvilDin | simply set time and date |
| 15:33.21 | stew | EvilDin: date -s "date goes here" |
| 15:33.31 | stew | EvilDin: you may want to /msg dpkg tzconfig ; /msg dpkg ntp |
| 15:33.36 | DutchFish | EvilDin: man date |
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| 15:33.59 | c00lfon | hahahahaaaaa hahahahahahaa hehehehehehe |
| 15:34.00 | c00lfon | :D |
| 15:34.21 | c00lfon | WoodyWoodpecker, hi. ;D |
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| 15:35.34 | Roey | hey all! is this file kosher? http://rafb.net/paste/results/N5qvdP82.html -- (I modified /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 and I think it's causing some errors that prevent apache from restarting) |
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| 15:36.54 | dooglus | what's the simplest way to recover deleted files on a reiserfs partition? |
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| 15:37.13 | jel | Roey: dunno. Might want to use version control next time though ;) |
| 15:37.15 | stew | dooglus: restore them from backup |
| 15:37.16 | cydork | dooglus: backups |
| 15:37.27 | jel | dooglus: yep :) |
| 15:37.30 | cydork | stew: damn you :P |
| 15:37.37 | dooglus | no backups of that partition. |
| 15:38.01 | Roey | jel: I just set this up... but thanks |
| 15:38.10 | DutchFish | dooglus: man reiserfsck |
| 15:38.19 | dooglus | is there any filesystem which does revision control? |
| 15:38.28 | amphi | dooglus: oh the horror! |
| 15:38.31 | jel | Roey: check in the standard files, then modify |
| 15:38.36 | stew | DutchFish: does reiserfsck let you undelete files? |
| 15:38.36 | dooglus | (like how VMS does) |
| 15:38.44 | DutchFish | dooglus: you need option --renuild-tree |
| 15:38.46 | jel | dooglus: there are some, not very good probably |
| 15:38.53 | dooglus | DutchFish: the tree is ok I think |
| 15:39.01 | cydork | dooglus: check out the tool called as testdisk it might help |
| 15:39.01 | Roey | jel: ok, that's what I did basically... but I put in two 'mail' commands... maybe that fouled things up. |
| 15:39.02 | ivh | yes, I actually did undelete on reiserfs once. |
| 15:39.04 | amphi | dooglus: not that I know of, except perhaps zfs |
| 15:39.06 | DutchFish | dooglus: sorry: typo: --rebuild-tree |
| 15:39.09 | dooglus | DutchFish: the fs isn't corrupted, I just 'mv'ed some files onto other files |
| 15:39.48 | ivh | and I even wrote it up for own reference: http://thomasmarquart.net/node/107 :-) |
| 15:40.07 | DutchFish | dooglus: http://antrix.net/journal/techtalk/reiserfs_data_recovery_howto.comments |
| 15:40.09 | dooglus | DutchFish: are you sure? I thought that was checking tool for the ReiserFS filesystem |
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| 15:40.41 | dooglus | DutchFish: thanks |
| 15:40.54 | DutchFish | dooglus: yw ;) |
| 15:41.13 | ivh | DutchFish: yes, that's the one, I used, too :) |
| 15:41.19 | _tarzan_ | how can I do a floppy for boot?, debian is instaled with grub on hd boot sector |
| 15:41.36 | _tarzan_ | i chequed grub , grub-install info but it doesn have useful info |
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| 15:42.33 | ivh | _tarzan_: grub-floppy ? :-) |
| 15:43.40 | _tarzan_ | from man : It is possible to create a grub boot disc using grub-install |
| 15:43.48 | WoodyWoodpecker | c00lfon: What is the matter? |
| 15:43.49 | amphi | dooglus: before you have fun with reiserfsck, perhaps look for the term 'horror reanimator' in this page: http://www.crackmonkey.org/~nick/mail/why-reiserfs-is-teh-sukc |
| 15:44.02 | D-Fender1031 | stew, i upgraded my kernel and now it won't play sound at all |
| 15:44.17 | jel | Roey: if you know what you changed, just comment it out and check if it works then |
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| 15:44.33 | stew | D-Fender1031: is snd-hda-intel loaded? |
| 15:44.42 | D-Fender1031 | one sec |
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| 15:46.16 | D-Fender1031 | yes |
| 15:46.18 | D-Fender1031 | it is |
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| 15:49.40 | D-Fender1031 | this is just weird |
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| 15:50.49 | pupeno__ | If I have a Debian box behind a NAT and the masquerader is forwaring port 22 to it, but the Debian box has a wrong gateway (back to the internet) configured, should I be able to ssh into it ? |
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| 15:52.56 | D-Fender1031 | ok i rebooted in .18 and my sound is back, but still had the same issues |
| 15:52.57 | Braindead | pupeno__: yes if you do SNAT. SNAT incoming connection on the internal interface so the "box" doesn't have to contact $PUBLIC_IP but only $MASQUERADER_NAT_ADDRESS. as long as you can manage the NAT,of course. if not,you're screwed |
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| 15:53.37 | pupeno__ | Braindead: no, I can't. It is an off-the-shelve router the client replaced (and decided to change the IP). |
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| 15:54.44 | junix|work | I can http://channels.debian.net/paste/4277 |
| 15:55.01 | jel | pupeno__: go fix it, or pay someone there to fix it, and bill the client through the nose to discourage them from messing with your work :) |
| 15:55.04 | Braindead | pupeno__: you're screwed. you either tell your client to change the default gateway of the box or to put a static route towards your ip. or at least tell your client he should stick his hands into his own arse,not into routers |
| 15:55.06 | junix|work | I can't find the appropriate bts link for this error http://channels.debian.net/paste/4277 |
| 15:55.29 | D-Fender1031 | and i have to go to class now...i already skipped one today. i guess i'll try later |
| 15:55.39 | lunitik | jugglinx_: "You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these" did you do what it tells ya? |
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| 15:56.00 | pupeno__ | jel, Braindead: thank you. I wish I lived in your world. |
| 15:56.17 | stew | junix|work: do you have unstable in your sources.list? |
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| 15:56.58 | lunitik | junix|work: "You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these" did you do what it tells ya? |
| 15:56.58 | stew | junix|work: it looks like you installed libapache2-mod-perl2 from unstable but no longer have unstable sources needed to satisfy the dependency on apache2.2 which isn't yet in testing |
| 15:57.04 | lunitik | sorry jugglinx_ |
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| 15:57.05 | Darks | hi . |
| 15:57.13 | Darks | i instlla the proftpd |
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| 15:58.18 | Darks | after i install it the program activated without definition |
| 15:58.27 | Darks | how i stop it? |
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| 15:58.55 | lunitik | Darks: probably /etc/init.d/proftpd stop or something |
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| 15:59.11 | Darks | debian:/etc# /etc/init.d/proftpd stop |
| 15:59.11 | Darks | ProFTPd is started from inetd/xinetd. |
| 15:59.11 | Darks | debian:/etc# |
| 15:59.21 | Shadowcat | simonrvn: only 1337 people know how to telnet to an IRC server |
| 15:59.25 | lunitik | Darks: then stop xinetd |
| 15:59.50 | lunitik | Not even on a local network :/ |
| 15:59.50 | Shadowcat | I've used it |
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| 16:00.01 | Shadowcat | you have to know the entire IRC protocol by heart |
| 16:00.21 | Shadowcat | otherwise the server will kick you off very quickly |
| 16:00.35 | stew | Shadowcat: "telnet irc.server.name ircd" |
| 16:00.41 | stew | Shadowcat: no maybe 1338 people know how |
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| 16:00.57 | stew | ^no^now |
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| 16:01.02 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 16:01.14 | korgano | hi all |
| 16:01.40 | simonrvn | no, not high at all ;p |
| 16:01.52 | korgano | I hope so ;-) |
| 16:01.53 | lunitik | Well... maybe sometimes... but not on IRC |
| 16:02.06 | Darks | debian:/etc# /etc/init.d/xinetd stop |
| 16:02.06 | Darks | bash: /etc/init.d/xinetd: No such file or directory |
| 16:02.17 | lunitik | simonrvn: Mary Jane is a nice lady :) |
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| 16:02.34 | lunitik | Darks: how do you know its running? :/ |
| 16:02.52 | Darks | i loing form to the ftp |
| 16:02.55 | Darks | on port 21 |
| 16:03.10 | stew | Darks: if you don't have xinetd, you likely have inetd |
| 16:03.20 | lunitik | Darks: ps -e | grep ftp |
| 16:03.25 | lunitik | Darks: return something? |
| 16:03.26 | DutchFish | lunitik: what about ps auxww | grep xinetd ? |
| 16:03.35 | Darks | debian:/etc# ps -e | grep ftp |
| 16:03.35 | Darks | 18874 ? 00:00:00 proftpd |
| 16:03.38 | stew | Darks: however if its being run by inetd, then there isn't really anything to restart, it isn't started at all until someone connects to the port |
| 16:03.40 | lunitik | DutchFish: does it matter? |
| 16:03.55 | korgano | does anybody know of a method/howto on running a x-server on a "no-display-server", only connected via ssh and managing the whole xhost, xauth stuff? |
| 16:04.01 | DutchFish | lunitik: no |
| 16:04.03 | lunitik | DutchFish: -e is a clean return.... not wanting something technical to see if its running |
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| 16:04.34 | lunitik | Darks: as stew suggests, /etc/init.d/inetd stop |
| 16:04.53 | Darks | debian:/etc# /etc/init.d/inetd stop |
| 16:04.53 | Darks | Stopping internet superserver: inetd. |
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| 16:05.39 | ofer1 | How to create another loopback network interface? |
| 16:05.42 | Darks | bat the ftp nevertheless open ites not close |
| 16:06.17 | stew | Darks: "netstat -plnt | grep :21" as root and see if its proftpd or inetd or something else listening to port 21 |
| 16:06.17 | lunitik | DutchFish: as an aside... thats a nice command to remember... never tried with '-ww' but for this case... kinda overkill ;) |
| 16:06.36 | DutchFish | lunitik: :) |
| 16:06.37 | Darks | stew ok hold |
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| 16:08.24 | Seko | Anyone here is using Debian 3.1r2 on a Sun V100 Sparc server ? |
| 16:08.44 | lunitik | Seko: probably... care to ask a real question though? |
| 16:09.12 | WoodyWoodpecker | I am using gimp2.2 on Debian Etch. My gimp can't open '' *.eps '' files. What package(s) is/are missing me? |
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| 16:09.24 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 16:09.31 | ^rob^ | is there any i686 optimized debian??? |
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| 16:09.57 | DutchFish | lunitik: or in short: pgrep xinitd |
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| 16:10.12 | Darks | stew thenks |
| 16:10.14 | Braindead | ^rob^: yes,it's funroll-loops/debian |
| 16:10.34 | WoodyWoodpecker | ^rob^: For getting 1% more performance? |
| 16:10.34 | Seko | i`m having lots of "lost packets" in both interfaces, i have tried kernel 2.4 and 2.6 with the same problem. |
| 16:10.34 | Darks | how i chnge the locle to englesh |
| 16:10.38 | stew | ^rob^: apt-get install libc6-686 |
| 16:10.38 | WoodyWoodpecker | export LC_ALL=C |
| 16:10.38 | Darks | change |
| 16:10.59 | ^rob^ | WoodyWoodpecker: man - i use archLinux - boots in 30 sec - kde is up i can run any program - all programs run much faster. |
| 16:11.00 | Braindead | libc6-686 and a 2.6 kernel |
| 16:11.09 | ^rob^ | so don't tell me that is just 1% |
| 16:11.15 | Braindead | ^rob^: keep on using it then. bye |
| 16:11.28 | ^rob^ | i wondered if there's a devbian too |
| 16:11.35 | ^rob^ | coz i like deb/ |
| 16:11.40 | WoodyWoodpecker | ^rob^: I can't imagine to much more. |
| 16:11.48 | ^rob^ | WoodyWoodpecker: try |
| 16:11.50 | WoodyWoodpecker | s/to/too/ |
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| 16:12.03 | WoodyWoodpecker | No thanks. I prefer solaris. |
| 16:12.04 | jel | ^rob^: booting debian isn't cpu-bound |
| 16:12.06 | stew | ^rob^: there is an optimized libc6 and and optimized kernel, but there aren't other packages compiled with 686 specific optimizations becuase its not perceived as being much of a benefit |
| 16:12.20 | lunitik | WoodyWoodpecker: 'sam2p' claims to be able to convert to that format... and only depends netpbm and libjpg-progs ... both of those installed? |
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| 16:12.40 | WoodyWoodpecker | lunitik: thanks your for responce. I will check that. Give me a sec. |
| 16:12.58 | Darks | how i change the language to English ? i install the Hebrew language |
| 16:12.59 | lunitik | WoodyWoodpecker: apparently its a scanner image format? |
| 16:13.07 | jel | ^rob^: in other words, arch may have optimised the boot process (like ubuntu has) but that's not a 686 thing |
| 16:13.36 | Braindead | Darks: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 16:14.25 | lunitik | WoodyWoodpecker: Also, 'apt-cache search eps gimp' |
| 16:14.47 | lunitik | jel: Ubuntu hasn't really optimized so much as re-wrote it..... |
| 16:15.05 | jel | lunitik: yep |
| 16:15.13 | ofer1 | How to create another loopback network interface? |
| 16:15.25 | sepski | ofer0, you can not use the dummy device ? |
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| 16:15.53 | ofer1 | sepski, which dummy device? |
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| 16:16.48 | Darks | WoodyWoodpecke -> thenks man |
| 16:17.00 | Darks | WoodyWoodpecke i need to restart the pc? |
| 16:17.16 | sepski | ofer0, modprobe dummy |
| 16:17.27 | sepski | ofer0, you can make as many dummy devices as you need |
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| 16:17.44 | Zta | What's better for file sharing? NFS, SMB or something else? |
| 16:18.00 | WoodyWoodpecker | DarkCow: np |
| 16:18.17 | lunitik | Zta: what are you sharing the files between? which OS's? |
| 16:18.31 | lunitik | Zta: if Windows is involved SMB, else NFS |
| 16:18.35 | Zta | lunitik, Linux. |
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| 16:19.21 | lunitik | Or just FTP etc... but I think thats slower? idk |
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| 16:19.43 | lunitik | (sftp preferably but yeah) |
| 16:19.43 | Zta | I'd prefer a plain mount point. |
| 16:20.00 | lunitik | Zta: I think you can mount ftp folders actually.... |
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| 16:20.49 | lunitik | Zta: and of course NFS does mount points.... |
| 16:20.52 | Zta | Really? sftp too? |
| 16:21.04 | Zta | NFS and SMB are both mountable. |
| 16:21.22 | incorrect | unrelated question, but can anyone recomend a hardware vpn solution? openvpn isn't good enough |
| 16:21.29 | lunitik | Zta: SMB is bad choice if there is no Windows machines... lots of network noise |
| 16:21.34 | Zta | I've just had some bad experinces with NFS. It tends to hang and lock thinkgs up. |
| 16:21.46 | lunitik | incorrect: apt-cache search vpn |
| 16:21.48 | Zta | Oh. |
| 16:22.00 | lunitik | Zta: use softmounts only |
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| 16:22.12 | lunitik | Zta: hardmounts are the reason softmounts exist ;) |
| 16:22.39 | Zta | Hm.. Maybe I should give NFS a try. |
| 16:22.46 | DutchFish | incorrect: hardware: vpnrouter? |
| 16:23.23 | incorrect | DutchFish, like the netgear hardware vpns |
| 16:23.34 | lunitik | Zta: Hard mounts insist on being mounted successfully... soft mounts don't really care, but they give it their best shot :) |
| 16:23.51 | DutchFish | incorrect: all kinds just google, dont wanna name a brand |
| 16:24.08 | Zta | lunitik, so if the NFS server dies, the softmounts don't hang anything? |
| 16:24.09 | lunitik | incorrect: #hardware |
| 16:24.18 | incorrect | lunitik, :) ok |
| 16:24.24 | DutchFish | incorrect: keyword vpnrouter |
| 16:24.25 | lunitik | Zta: in theory... and generally in practice.... |
| 16:24.38 | Zta | ok |
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| 16:26.07 | jel | there are some mount options for nfs which may help with lockups, iirc. Probably a fact of life with any network filesystem though. |
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| 16:26.46 | lunitik | Zta: yeah, but SMB is too much network noise... NFS is fairly quiet really... FTP is prolly the easiest to set up... WebDAV I don't know... but it involves setting up a web server so can't be that easy... probably more choices too.... |
| 16:27.20 | Zta | lunitik, I'm installing nfs-kernel-server and friends now =) |
| 16:27.28 | lunitik | Speed wise... its either NFS or FTP I'd say |
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| 16:27.37 | lunitik | Zta: yay :) |
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| 16:28.46 | Zta | lunitik, can you please give an example of a nice line in /etc/exports and /etc/fstabs for softmounts? |
| 16:29.19 | Zta | copy-and-paste if you've got 'em -- otherwise nevermind =) |
| 16:29.32 | ofer1 | sepski, I think you need to create the interfaces using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:29.44 | lunitik | /etc/exports is basically like the same layout as the mount command... and there should be examples... just make sure 'soft' is in the options list.... |
| 16:29.51 | jel | if you're not going with nfs or cifs, on of the modern network fs's like coda might be worth looking into |
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| 16:30.34 | WoodyWoodpecker | lunitik: Gimp wasn't able to handle it properly. I used '' convert(1) '', which worked lots better. Thanks. |
| 16:30.35 | Zta | jel, interesting.. I'll have a look at it. |
| 16:31.02 | lunitik | WoodyWoodpecker: :) |
| 16:32.07 | Bombo | where can i find ipac-ng? i always used it in woody, but now i upgraded to etch: "$ apt-get install ipac-ng" -> "E: Package ipac-ng has no installation candidate" |
| 16:32.15 | SPOPPO | ? |
| 16:32.56 | lunitik | Zta: also, fstab entries should be basically the same too... just 'nfs' for type..... |
| 16:33.25 | lunitik | Zta: and again 'soft' in the options "section" |
| 16:33.31 | lunitik | row? |
| 16:33.33 | sepski | ofer0, i need ? i dont need nothing like that :) |
| 16:33.37 | lunitik | idk what you'd call it but yeah |
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| 16:35.07 | sepski | lunitik, bgp peering from local address is one valid example |
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| 16:35.57 | lunitik | sepski: I don't care much about validity... and I'm not sure I know what bgp means... just trying to think of reasons :P |
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| 16:40.57 | Howdy125 | I must say this channel seems to be alot friendlier than it used to be .. :) |
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| 16:45.27 | karlp_ | key msqid owner perms used-bytes messages |
| 16:45.42 | CharminTheMoose | how do i set up a static ip on debian? |
| 16:46.00 | stew | CharminTheMoose: man interfaces |
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| 16:48.53 | junix|work | I can't find the appropriate bts link for this error http://channels.debian.net/paste/4277 |
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| 16:50.30 | Eulex | junix|work, apt-get install apache2.2-common says what? |
| 16:50.41 | stew | junix|work: do you have unstable in your sources? |
| 16:50.53 | stew | 10:56 < stew> junix|work: it looks like you installed libapache2-mod-perl2 from unstable but no longer have unstable sources needed to |
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| 16:51.03 | stew | ...satisfy the dependency on apache2.2 which isn't yet in testing |
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| 16:51.39 | junix|work | stew: how much longer do i ahve to wait? |
| 16:52.03 | syntaxx | can you possibly mount .iso in fstab? if yes how? |
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| 16:52.11 | cydork | junix|work: you told me you were using unstable. right? |
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| 16:52.35 | junix|work | yes |
| 16:52.46 | junix|work | i never had a testing source in my list |
| 16:52.55 | streuner | syntaxx: man fstab, man mount - option loop ;-) |
| 16:53.09 | syntaxx | ok |
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| 16:53.55 | stew | junix|work: /msg dpkg why is apache2.2-common not in testing |
| 16:54.10 | cydork | stew: he is on sid.. |
| 16:54.11 | stew | junix|work: oh, wait, if you are on unstable, then apache2.2-common should be installable, afaik |
| 16:54.22 | stew | junix|work: what happens when you run "apt-get install apache2.2-common" ? |
| 16:54.28 | Bombo | what is a good ip accounting tool? like ipac-ng but supported by etch? |
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| 16:55.11 | eps | mmm how does one use touch to make a file say three days ago? |
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| 16:55.40 | cydork | eps: man touch look for -t |
| 16:55.50 | eps | thanks |
| 16:55.52 | stew | eps: touch -d "3 days ago" filename |
| 16:55.58 | junix|work | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4278 |
| 16:56.03 | eps | hey cool :D |
| 16:56.07 | eps | thanks stew |
| 16:56.20 | cydork | hehe i forgot about -d :P |
| 16:56.40 | eps | what trace does touch leave? |
| 16:56.44 | eps | if any |
| 16:57.11 | stew | junix|work: what about "apt-get install apache2.2-common apache2-common-" ? |
| 16:57.22 | stew | junix|work: (note: the trailing '-' is required) |
| 16:57.27 | cydork | eps: now what did you do? :) |
| 16:57.36 | stew | eps: it changes the date |
| 16:57.48 | eps | and doesn't say anything about it? |
| 16:58.00 | stew | eps: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:58.03 | junix|work | stew: same error |
| 16:58.06 | eps | cydork I may or may not be trying to make it appear that I did an assignment before I really did it :P |
| 16:58.29 | stew | junix|work: it says that apache2-common is going to be installed when you request that it be removed? |
| 16:58.33 | eps | the web server logs when we submit things, I just don't want to look bad by having the time stamps saying I didn't even start work on it till a day after it was due |
| 16:59.01 | cydork | eps: heh :) |
| 16:59.20 | systest | what's the cmd line util to mark packages for upgrade that have been "held back"? e.g. kernels? |
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| 16:59.40 | stew | systest: /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:59.40 | eps | systest just install it |
| 16:59.40 | cydork | systest: just do dist-upgrade |
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| 16:59.52 | stew | systest: err, /msg dpkg kept back |
| 16:59.55 | systest | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.28 | stew | junix|work: if "apt-get install apache2.2-common apache2-common-" really isn't working, even with the trailing - then i'd recommend you try the aptitude frontend |
| 17:01.39 | junix|work | stew: 1 sec |
| 17:02.23 | _tarzan_ | im trying to make a grub boot floppy that works as the one installed on hda anyone knows how to do it?, so far grub only installs the grub shell but not the boot menu |
| 17:03.11 | systest | stew, eps, cydork, thanks |
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| 17:04.01 | junix|work | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4279 |
| 17:04.24 | cahoot | _tarzan_: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Bootable_Floppy_with_GRUB maybe+ |
| 17:04.37 | stew | junix|work: i'd recommend using the aptitude frontend to help sort all fo this out |
| 17:05.05 | cahoot | _tarzan_: or just add menu.lst? |
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| 17:05.36 | junix|work | stew: thanks for the help, i really appreciate it |
| 17:06.04 | Jenesis | hi |
| 17:06.19 | _tarzan_ | a bootable floppy , url its ok bit im behind a firewall can't chek it |
| 17:06.49 | stew | _tarzan_: man grub-floppy |
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| 17:07.11 | ASD | hi |
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| 17:07.48 | ASD | i have a very stupid problem,anyone can help me? |
| 17:08.26 | ASD | how to add the write permission to /etc/apache to a new user????? |
| 17:08.56 | ASD | help plz! |
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| 17:09.13 | syntaxx | ASD, #apache |
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| 17:09.24 | the_mug | is there company that provides Debian support? my company wants to know, in the case that I die, will there be someone that could fix our servers. :-) |
| 17:09.28 | stew | that's not really a question for #apache |
| 17:09.34 | stew | !wikifaq ASD Permissions |
| 17:09.35 | dpkg | ASD: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 17:09.52 | syntaxx | err i thought *in* |
| 17:10.25 | vin` | the_mug: http://www.us.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 17:10.36 | ASD | yes but i need to add the user to a group? |
| 17:10.51 | the_mug | vin`: gracias. |
| 17:12.06 | stew | ASD: only if more than one user needs to be able to write to /etc/apache |
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| 17:12.19 | unlink | how do i change lynx's theme? |
| 17:13.01 | ASD | ok i know: chmod to change permission |
| 17:13.13 | ASD | but how to release permission ONLY to an user? |
| 17:13.33 | stew | ASD: /msg dpkg Permissions |
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| 17:14.14 | ASD | what steve? |
| 17:14.18 | ASD | *stew |
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| 17:14.47 | hiremath | I was building a package which creates a directory in /home/user/. How can I chown that dir to user.user in debian/rules? |
| 17:14.53 | stew | ASD: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions |
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| 17:15.38 | ASD | gg |
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| 17:15.50 | ASD | i sayed only 1 user perhabs |
| 17:16.30 | stew | ASD: man chown |
| 17:16.36 | ASD | gg |
| 17:16.45 | stew | ASD: what does gg mean? |
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| 17:17.13 | stew | hiremath: in general, you wouldn't. why is your package installing to /home/user instead of to somewhere in /usr? |
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| 17:19.47 | the_mug | stew: good game? :-p (j/k) |
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| 17:21.13 | the_mug | Does anyone know of a fast mirror? (I'm in Arkansas) |
| 17:21.41 | Ronin | apt-spy iirc |
| 17:22.08 | ASD | wtf?i change permissions but i can't create dir? |
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| 17:22.56 | the_mug | Ronin: thanks. |
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| 17:23.20 | ASD | chmod 770 |
| 17:23.26 | ASD | but nothing change| |
| 17:23.45 | nvz | ASD: do you have permission to write the parent dir? |
| 17:24.43 | ASD | i use root user |
| 17:24.47 | ASD | and all work |
| 17:25.16 | nvz | r-ight, well good for you |
| 17:25.18 | ASD | i need to allow ftpuser to write on his homedir /var/www/htdocs/ |
| 17:26.16 | stew | ASD: what does "ls -ld /var/www/htdocs" say? |
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| 17:26.43 | ASD | i have created a new user ftpcmc with groups : user and ftpcmc |
| 17:26.51 | ASD | the user can read |
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| 17:27.13 | ASD | but cant create or write |
| 17:27.38 | ASD | chmod 770 should work,right? |
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| 17:28.01 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
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| 17:28.09 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 17:28.14 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.35 | ASD | it show files |
| 17:28.46 | ASD | index.php ecc... |
| 17:28.56 | stew | ASD: then you didn't do what i asked |
| 17:29.14 | ASD | ah with -ld sry |
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| 17:29.20 | nvz | stew: you obviously have a lot of patience :P |
| 17:29.30 | DevilChaos | i have installed i586 kernel onto my laptop with debian and am no having a little trouble with the xserver saying that dri is not supported by my screen so any pointers would be nice please? |
| 17:29.43 | ASD | rwxrwxr-x 3 root root |
| 17:30.16 | ASD | ah and if i change group root to ftpcmc group? |
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| 17:30.30 | nvz | ASD: there you go. |
| 17:30.40 | ASD | loading... |
| 17:30.43 | nvz | ASD: are you sure your nick isnt LSD :P |
| 17:30.49 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 17:31.09 | ASD | nop |
| 17:31.27 | ASD | O.o lol nvz |
| 17:31.53 | ASD | dont work |
| 17:31.55 | ASD | damn |
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| 17:32.10 | eps | if I'm logged into a ssh session to a computer at uni...how do I get my assignment to my box here without access to a public_html directory :| |
| 17:32.15 | ASD | ah but changes didnt take effect! |
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| 17:32.35 | DevilChaos | anyone here experianced with i586 arch with debian? |
| 17:33.01 | ASD | ahh now work!!!!!! |
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| 17:33.03 | ASD | lol |
| 17:33.19 | ASD | i havent cliccked the V lol |
| 17:33.28 | ASD | all for this stupid thing lol |
| 17:33.32 | ASD | thanks |
| 17:33.43 | nvz | DevilChaos: nope we are all still using 486 DX2's.. well those of us lucky enough to have a co-processor |
| 17:33.45 | ASD | bye and good asd to all |
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| 17:33.56 | hiremath | stew: Lost connection! The package makes /home/usr/.<package> dir and copies a config file there |
| 17:34.01 | DevilChaos | doh :( |
| 17:34.07 | ASD | P.S.: hahhaha i use slackware not deblian ahahahahah! |
| 17:34.19 | ASD | ;b |
| 17:34.19 | DevilChaos | asd: suck ass!!!!!! |
| 17:34.22 | nvz | heh |
| 17:34.27 | ASD | hihihi lol |
| 17:34.32 | nvz | !yinzersmite ASD |
| 17:34.34 | ASD | but i <3 slack |
| 17:34.42 | cydork | ASD: and #slackware didn't know this.. |
| 17:34.43 | ASD | bye lol |
| 17:35.00 | ASD | no because #deblian was pre writed |
| 17:35.17 | ASD | hiihih |
| 17:35.21 | ASD | ;b |
| 17:35.24 | ASD | bye |
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| 17:39.55 | archpollux | hi all |
| 17:40.57 | archpollux | i'm still having problems with amarok and the ipod, lately no mp3s uploaded through amarok want to play on the ipod.. i select them but nothing happens, view doesn't change and it doesn't start playing |
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| 17:43.40 | cydork | tarzeau: ping.. |
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| 17:44.14 | d0uglas | archpollux: having the identical problem |
| 17:44.37 | d0uglas | they seem to transfer, but when i try to play them the song won't load and the title just scrolls on the index of songs |
| 17:44.54 | d0uglas | if you figure this one out, let me know ;) |
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| 17:46.32 | junix|work | stew: i couldn't get aptitude to upgrade/remove what i wanted... |
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| 17:49.06 | g3brown | I just install Sarge on a new system. Everything fine, except Samba transfer speeds are crappy. Guess it either the on-board intel nic or the ICH5 Sata. Anyone have any experience? |
| 17:49.08 | Dunedan | Could somebody tell me how to uninstall a package, that _no_ files of that package will left? |
| 17:49.35 | cahoot | Dunedan: add -purge? |
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| 17:50.38 | g3brown | Dunedan: yeah 'apt-get remove --purge' should do it |
| 17:51.03 | Dunedan | hm, yeah thanks. I got an error, but it's the right direction. thx. |
| 17:52.46 | g3brown | Dunedan: look at dpkg too |
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| 17:57.39 | _Brandon_ | hi, i've installed acx100 with module assistant but modprobe sayd that there is no acx_pci module |
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| 17:58.25 | pumpkin0 | which deb-package contains the wnck-python-package ? thakns |
| 17:59.03 | SeanTater | how do I get postgresql on apache2? |
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| 18:00.18 | wols_ | !tell pumpkin0 about search |
| 18:00.32 | pumpkin0 | SeanTater: you don“t. You get postgresql (a SQL-server) and apache2 (a http-server) |
| 18:01.18 | _Brandon_ | SeanTater: maybe you mean postgre with php |
| 18:01.23 | wols_ | SeanTater: usually by using a scripting language like php that can access postgresql and runs inside apache |
| 18:01.25 | SeanTater | pumpkin0: I mean the postgresql module on apache2 |
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| 18:01.39 | SeanTater | _Brandon_: yes |
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| 18:01.49 | wols_ | SeanTater: what would apache do with a sql module? |
| 18:02.01 | pumpkin0 | wols_: ... there are wnck-packages, but no python wnck. |
| 18:02.03 | _Brandon_ | SeanTater: there is a package called php5-pgsql |
| 18:02.07 | SeanTater | wols_: php script like gallery use it |
| 18:02.24 | SeanTater | _Brandon_: but it requires the removal of libapache2-mod-pho5 |
| 18:02.33 | SeanTater | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.05 | wols_ | that's why it's called "testing" and "stable" |
| 18:03.36 | SeanTater | wols_: :S |
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| 18:03.57 | _Brandon_ | i use unstable and i have no problem if i install php5-pgsql |
| 18:04.08 | SeanTater | _Brandon_: I;m using etch |
| 18:04.14 | wols_ | "unstable" not stable of course |
| 18:04.56 | cahoot | SeanTater: gallery or gallery2? |
| 18:05.04 | SeanTater | _Brandon_: this: sudo apt-get -s install php5-pgsql says this: The following packages will be REMOVED libapache2-mod-php5 php5-gd |
| 18:05.14 | SeanTater | cahoot: gallery2 |
| 18:05.20 | _Brandon_ | it's not that unstable :P anyway anyone can help me with acx100 drivers? |
| 18:05.31 | SeanTater | cahoot: it says it need sthe postgre php module, but I cannot seem to install it |
| 18:06.00 | cahoot | SeanTater: gallery2 works perfectly here on etch with mysql |
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| 18:06.27 | cahoot | SeanTater: doesn't the gallery2 deb take care of deps? |
| 18:06.28 | SeanTater | cahoot: did you install gallery2 (from apt) |
| 18:06.35 | SeanTater | cahoot: I downloaded it |
| 18:06.51 | cahoot | SeanTater: i e not using a deb? |
| 18:07.08 | SeanTater | cahoot: I tried the apt install, but I could not figure out how I could get it to do anything |
| 18:07.43 | SeanTater | cahoot: yes, no deb. .deb installs, but I don;t know how tyo configure it |
| 18:07.48 | cahoot | SeanTater: all I can say is the'debian way' works here |
| 18:07.59 | SeanTater | cahoot: okay -- I'll try the debian way again |
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| 18:09.23 | d0uglas | is there an xterm kinda app that looks like the console would, with the same font and a full screen mode that has no boarders or menues (like a video)? ... i'd just control alt f1 but it'd be nice to be able to copy and paste back and forth in x |
| 18:09.45 | SeanTater | cahoot: localhost/gallery2 brings up a 404 |
| 18:09.53 | SeanTater | cahoot: how do I fix that? |
| 18:10.02 | pumpkin0 | d0uglas: switch a xterm into fullscreen-mode ... |
| 18:10.14 | d0uglas | ok |
| 18:10.14 | _Brandon_ | SeanTater: try localhost/apache2-default/gallery2 |
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| 18:10.31 | cahoot | SeanTater: I'd look for help in #gallery (or #gallery-support) |
| 18:10.55 | SeanTater | _Brandon_: also a 404 |
| 18:10.58 | phenos | Can anyone name an ncurses-based player which supports mp3 files? |
| 18:10.59 | d0uglas | SeanTater: g2 has frequent updates that are worth getting and the .deb is typically way behind. The manual install from the tgz couldn't be any simpler and I highly recommend you do it that way |
| 18:11.04 | SeanTater | cahoot: okay, thanks |
| 18:11.19 | bonez39 | what's the average turn around time, if any exists, after submitting a bug report to debian.org? any suggestions? |
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| 18:11.36 | cahoot | SeanTater: d0uglas way behind? |
| 18:11.37 | dooglus | d0uglas: xterm has no borders or menus. if you make it full screen then it's full screen. and the font is settable. |
| 18:11.40 | abrotman | bonez39: turnaround time for what? the fix or that it's there ? |
| 18:11.44 | SeanTater | d0uglas: but I cannot get php5-pgsql to install without removing libapache2-mod-php5 .. |
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| 18:12.10 | bonez39 | abrotman, I got the confirmation an hour after i submitted...just wondering about fixes......I am sure it may take a while... |
| 18:12.15 | d0uglas | cahoot: maybe i'm overstating it but the nightlies sometimes contain new modules that are very useful |
| 18:12.22 | pumpkin0 | bonez39: 2 days for really serious stuff, months-years for unimportant things. |
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| 18:12.35 | abrotman | bonez39: depends on the bug .. anywhere from hours to years |
| 18:12.49 | bonez39 | thanks... |
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| 18:13.52 | d0uglas | bonez39: sometimes these things are isolated incidents and other factors may be to blame, for example maybe your chip got too hot. If it's something that affected everyone who used the program on the same setup/dist as you, the volume of bug reports would be pretty noticable and get relatively swift attention |
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| 18:14.53 | bonez39 | d0uglas, well, my issue is mailman which worked fine until I ran apt-get and something that upgraded has now hosed my mailman.....and it won't send out |
| 18:15.08 | abrotman | is this with sarge ? |
| 18:15.31 | bonez39 | abrotman, possibly....I have had a few others who are also experiencing the same trouble send in reports..... |
| 18:15.47 | abrotman | not possibly .. it is or it isn't |
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| 18:16.17 | abrotman | bonez39: i see other items in the BTS that look similar |
| 18:16.20 | Dunedan | My proftpd under etch don't wanna use mysql. I took the standard config (where mysql is enabled in modules.conf) and added my mysql informations. On another server (with sarge) it worked. proftpd -vv also don't list anything about sql. Some hints what could be wrong? |
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| 18:20.04 | bonez39 | abrotman, yeah, it's an issue with smtp failures...and it's something that's buggy that recently came out in some package from debian....... |
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| 18:21.54 | d0uglas | do i need to be root (or run apps as root like amarok) to mount my ipod and manage it? it seems to be the case at the moment |
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| 18:22.44 | Defty | d0uglas: do, edit /etc/fstab to permit |
| 18:22.47 | gouki | Guys, just a fast question... I'm currently working on a package, how do I submit a 'currently working on' so that people don't start working on the same package? |
| 18:22.48 | Defty | *no |
| 18:22.56 | d0uglas | ok thanks defty |
| 18:23.23 | cydork | gouki, submit a ITP |
| 18:23.46 | abrotman | gouki: debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 18:23.54 | gouki | exactly! I keep forgeting that acronym |
| 18:24.08 | gouki | OK. Thanks |
| 18:24.11 | d0uglas | Defty: hrmm any idea what type of filesystem these suckers use, or what options to specify if any? |
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| 18:24.33 | Defty | d0uglas: i think you can just type in 'auto' |
| 18:24.40 | abrotman | try gtkpod |
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| 18:24.53 | d0uglas | abrotman: yeah i did i've got basically every package that has pod in it |
| 18:24.55 | Defty | d0uglas: and as an option.. probably 'user' |
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| 18:25.42 | d0uglas | and when i do do it as root, i'm able to transfer the tracks onto the ipod and the title is listed in the thing with the rest of them but when i try to play it doesn't respond and just scrolls the title across the screen as if it were blank |
| 18:25.45 | Defty | d0uglas: you can see the options in man mount |
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| 18:26.10 | Defty | d0uglas: anyway, i'd try as options "rw,user,noauto" or something. |
| 18:26.26 | abrotman | !ipod |
| 18:26.27 | dpkg | ipod is, like, a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 18:26.49 | evilbulgarian | hi, is it possible to switch from debians 32 bit version to the amd64 ( emt64) version? |
| 18:27.30 | jair | Hey, guys good morning. |
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| 18:28.04 | jair | It is a way i can uncompress files on Linux (debian) that have the extension .rar? |
| 18:28.12 | Defty | jair: install unrar |
| 18:28.23 | gouki | apt-get install unrar |
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| 18:29.27 | gouki | evilbulgarian - I don't think so. You'll be better doing a clean install |
| 18:29.35 | Sebboh | Question: my console has corruption when I use ncurses based apps like the midnight commander or lynx. How do I trouble shoot this? |
| 18:30.03 | petemc | Sebboh: echo $TERM |
| 18:30.42 | jair | Defty: ok Thanks |
| 18:30.53 | Defty | Sebboh: um.. check your term type (the previous thing) and install ncurses-term to get support for additional term types or something |
| 18:30.54 | jair | gouki: Thank you very much |
| 18:30.56 | Caelum | is there a livecd with ntfs-3g support? |
| 18:31.23 | Sebboh | update: it only happens when I ssh to another host. (How did I miss that? :) ) |
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| 18:31.54 | Defty | Sebboh: .. so the prog is running on another host? well it's still about that term type. |
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| 18:32.32 | Defty | Sebboh: probably because your term isn't supported on the other host. |
| 18:32.37 | gouki | Has anyone used PartmanCrypto? What do you think of it? |
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| 18:33.11 | Defty | Sebboh: try specifying the term type on the cmd line like "TERM=xterm your-prog" or something and test some alternatives.. |
| 18:33.40 | Sebboh | Defty, both machines are debian/etch. One was built with the new installer, one was an upgrade. So, I guess that the former has utf8 as the default locale.. or.. character set, or something. The installer mentioned this. |
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| 18:34.11 | avoine | are you able to get some file from svn.debian.org with subversion? i try svn co svn://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-drupal but its not working i made a mistake? |
| 18:34.27 | Defty | Sebboh: i don't think that really matters... but who knows. |
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| 18:34.36 | cydork | avoine, without subversion?? |
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| 18:34.52 | Defty | Sebboh: you could try specifying the locale to use on cmd line as well, like LC_ALL=something |
| 18:34.59 | Defty | (try 'C') |
| 18:35.09 | Sebboh | Defty, both my direct login shell and my ssh session report TERM=linux. It says screen.linux when I'm using screen. |
| 18:35.15 | avoine | i have subversion install |
| 18:35.24 | DimkaS | remind me please command to make glxgears show some scores |
| 18:35.29 | Sebboh | ok Defty. I'll look at the LC_ALL variable.. |
| 18:35.31 | d0uglas | !glxgears |
| 18:35.31 | dpkg | i heard glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 18:35.32 | cydork | avoine, nm, i am drunk :P |
| 18:35.43 | avoine | the error is a connection error |
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| 18:36.07 | roxy_ | When using ftp it hangs when getting file or directory listing. I understand it is because of my firewall and the server trying to send data to a closed port. What is the solution ? |
| 18:36.08 | Defty | Sebboh: ok well maybe 'linux' isn't supported on the other host.. I don't really know about those, just that some unknown term type can make things look really bizarre (such as the whole screen blinking etc.) |
| 18:36.26 | Defty | Sebboh: try for example "xterm" as TERM |
| 18:36.36 | Defty | that one has never failed me :) |
| 18:36.38 | DimkaS | d0uglas, ty |
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| 18:39.24 | Sebboh | Defty, I don't have an xterm. I have a linux console. ;) The term type for that is 'linux', and it support that term type. |
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| 18:40.01 | Sebboh | But! I did find that I don't have all the same locales on the other machine. How can I get and generate the en_US.UTF-8 locale? |
| 18:40.14 | Defty | Sebboh: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:40.37 | Defty | or edit /etc/locale.gen .p |
| 18:40.54 | Defty | and re-generate them |
| 18:41.04 | Sebboh | Ok! cool. |
| 18:41.29 | c00lfon | c00l. |
| 18:41.30 | c00lfon | ;> |
| 18:41.45 | Defty | l00k, it's c00l |
| 18:41.51 | Feax- | y3@h |
| 18:42.04 | cydork | !l33t |
| 18:42.04 | dpkg | Plz uze #debian-l33t 4 hlp in l33t !! U wud get m0re helpz their !!! lol L33t speakers, please use #debian-l33t for help in the l33t dialect. You will get much more help there. |
| 18:42.06 | cydork | :P |
| 18:42.23 | Feax- | 0h it's l33tz 'n g33k |
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| 18:42.38 | d0uglas | hey wait a second, that channel's empty |
| 18:42.44 | Sebboh | heh |
| 18:42.50 | Defty | 1337 is not a dialect. it's a timezone |
| 18:42.52 | Sebboh | he's got a 0 in his name. =P |
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| 18:43.24 | cydork | d0uglas, nope it's not :) |
| 18:43.28 | Sebboh | Defty, ok, I did the dpkg-reconfigure and set my default locale on both machines to the same, problem solved. Thanks. =) |
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| 18:44.01 | Defty | Sebboh: k didn't know it could cause that, so thank you instead ;) |
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| 18:44.27 | kanpachi | hello, i just installed debian for the first time, and i can't change the screen resoultion, how do i do it? |
| 18:44.28 | kanpachi | please |
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| 18:45.01 | Defty | kanpachi: try ctrl-alt-+- (?) |
| 18:45.05 | Defty | or whatever |
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| 18:45.29 | kanpachi | well, i can only change between 640x480 and 600x800 |
| 18:45.39 | Sebboh | can I change locales temporarily for a single session? |
| 18:45.44 | Defty | you need to edit xorg.conf |
| 18:45.47 | kanpachi | how do i run that config app that it ran after the install was finished? |
| 18:45.50 | Sebboh | links doesn't seem to like utf-8. |
| 18:45.58 | kanpachi | what's the equiv. of sudo for debian? |
| 18:46.24 | Sebboh | kanpachi, 1. dpkg-reconfigure mypackage. 2. sudo. But you have to configure it. |
| 18:46.25 | Defty | Sebboh: you can type env vars on the cmd line like "VAR=val cmd" |
| 18:46.30 | cydork | kapowaz, run dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
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| 18:46.51 | Sebboh | there isn't more to setting my locale than an environment variable? :/ |
| 18:46.53 | Defty | Sebboh: or there was some other command for that, .. .something with 'env' in it. |
| 18:47.02 | Defty | Sebboh: nope. |
| 18:47.10 | Sebboh | ... |
| 18:47.20 | kanpachi | how do i configure it? |
| 18:47.39 | kanpachi | please |
| 18:47.42 | Defty | kanpachi: sudo for debian is sudo |
| 18:47.50 | kanpachi | well |
| 18:47.57 | kanpachi | when i try to type my password in sudo |
| 18:48.01 | kanpachi | it says it's wrong |
| 18:48.10 | kanpachi | but when i type the same password when running synaptic |
| 18:48.11 | kanpachi | it works |
| 18:48.13 | Defty | you need to conf sudo |
| 18:48.20 | kanpachi | can you please tell me how? |
| 18:48.23 | Defty | no |
| 18:48.28 | Defty | you said please once too often |
| 18:48.31 | Defty | i'm off |
| 18:48.46 | kanpachi | oh well |
| 18:49.19 | tralala | kanpachi, in sudo you'd type your user's password |
| 18:49.25 | kanpachi | thanx |
| 18:49.37 | Sebboh | you have to add your user to the sudoers file, too. |
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| 18:49.44 | kanpachi | ok gotcha |
| 18:49.44 | kanpachi | thanx |
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| 18:50.43 | sid | How can I see my arp cache on my Debian laptop? |
| 18:52.07 | tralala | sid, man -k arp |
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| 18:54.11 | tarzeau | cydork: pong |
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| 18:54.29 | cydork | tarzeau, hey can i pm you |
| 18:54.51 | tarzeau | cydork: if it's personal, yes |
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| 18:55.29 | dweb | abrotman yo |
| 18:56.04 | dweb | is there a way to have my computer ding me or beep or something like that when I get a new mail message in maildir/... |
| 18:56.24 | Sebboh | uh |
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| 18:56.51 | Sebboh | what's the name of that program that does what dweb wants, and has done it since 1980 something? =) |
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| 18:57.13 | stinerman | cron? |
| 18:57.38 | dweb | Sebboh, well I just found mail notify which will spit crap from my systray, but I'd prefer a beep |
| 18:57.42 | dweb | isn't it call blitz |
| 18:57.43 | dweb | or beep |
| 18:57.45 | dweb | or something |
| 18:57.47 | dweb | can't remember name |
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| 18:57.50 | dweb | biff? |
| 18:57.55 | Sebboh | biff! |
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| 18:58.28 | Sebboh | "biff reads your mail", as I recall from a poem called the ABCs of Unix. |
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| 18:59.16 | Caelum | does anyone use evolution? it looks like crap... |
| 18:59.23 | dweb | evolution sucks |
| 18:59.29 | stinerman | mplayer lost xv support (at least for me) after updating xorg 7.1 / fglrx .... anyone know any thing about this |
| 18:59.30 | dweb | it's wayyyyyy too much like outlook |
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| 18:59.41 | exhale | true |
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| 18:59.49 | dweb | stinerman Xv only exists for XFree86 iirc |
| 19:00.05 | dweb | stinerman, I use the gl2 vo and it works great for me tho |
| 19:00.09 | Sebboh | And that's bad? Outlook is really powerful. I'mma /part now. =) |
| 19:00.16 | stinerman | i was using it just fine under xorg 7.0 (i'm running testing) |
| 19:00.33 | stinerman | XImage/Shm is all that works for me |
| 19:00.34 | Caelum | dweb: I was hoping to use it because of the exchange driver instead of outlook, but the win32 version didn't work, the linux version worked but took 2 days to start up, and it looks like crap... I wish thunderbird had exchange support |
| 19:00.41 | inspired | does anyone know how I can make a driver disk? I have compiled modules for my raid controller and copied these to a diskette. how do I get debian installer to find the modules during install? it works if I manually insmod them |
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| 19:00.59 | dweb | Caelum, maybe you should just get rid of ms exchange |
| 19:01.03 | d0uglas | outlook almost cost me my job when i clicked the wrong external link on a wiki page i was reading about a certain shock trolling organization |
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| 19:01.25 | Caelum | dweb: heh I wish |
| 19:01.38 | stinerman | and gl(2) isn't even in my list of output drivers anymore |
| 19:02.20 | dweb | stinerman, go get the gl development stuff before you build mplayer |
| 19:02.42 | phpnuborn | anyone know window-based program called putty? |
| 19:02.56 | stinerman | i've been using the package from debian-multimedia ... but mplayer 1.0 rc1 just made it into unstable |
| 19:03.10 | stinerman | perhaps i should let the maintainer know? |
| 19:03.30 | d0uglas | phpnuborn: yeah i use it |
| 19:03.31 | Caelum | phpnuborn: yes, it's a wonderful program. |
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| 19:03.40 | d0uglas | well, nothing to write home about, but it's pretty good |
| 19:03.46 | Caelum | phpnuborn: not as good as rxvt-unicode from cygwin, but much easier to install :) |
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| 19:04.04 | d0uglas | doesn't need installation, just execute the single binary |
| 19:04.07 | phpnuborn | once i use puttygen to create and save a private key how do i know if putty is using it and using it for one specific connection.. ? |
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| 19:04.46 | d0uglas | phpnuborn: hmm i've never gone through the hassles of "security" so that's really out of my area of putty expertise |
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| 19:04.52 | Caelum | phpnuborn: putty stores stuff in a file called putty.rnd, it's either there or next to it |
| 19:06.25 | netcrash | Hello, I have a horde system that does all translations well on slackware but on debian the translations are not being made what should I look for has a problem ? |
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| 19:07.08 | phpnuborn | i don't see a putty.rnd file in my program files/putty folder |
| 19:08.12 | d0uglas | netcrash: not to be the guy to quickly redirect you but have you checked in #horde? this may not necessarily be debian specific |
| 19:08.54 | d0uglas | otoh it did as you say work on slack.. |
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| 19:10.08 | netcrash | d0uglas: that's why I'm here the pear packages are all there. gettext support is active. Don't get it |
| 19:10.26 | Caelum | phpnuborn: it's in your windows "home" directory |
| 19:10.48 | Caelum | phpnuborn: just search for it |
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| 19:11.32 | inspired | hmm, I copied a custom module to /lib64/modules/....../ on the ramfs which is used during debian install and got my S-ATA controller working. when I now go through the setup process and eventually reboot, will this module be added to the initramfs? |
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| 19:12.17 | Caelum | inspired: I think so, yes |
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| 19:12.27 | d0uglas | netcrash: well since you did use the packages not the tar to install it i agree this is the right place but in case no one answers you you might have luck in that channel... |
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| 19:13.20 | d0uglas | it's a pain in the ass but one alternative is to try firing it up manually by compiling the non-debian-specific release |
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| 19:14.45 | netcrash | d0uglas: already trying the other channel , no response yet but this is a deb version I wouldn't whant to miss. |
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| 19:15.10 | tarzeau | do people on fresh sarge installs get openbsd-inetd ? |
| 19:15.20 | tarzeau | suddenly? and does it also break all your everything? the crap? |
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| 19:16.12 | Feax | lol cydork is gay :> |
| 19:16.33 | cydork | Feax, dont tell pelzi_ :P |
| 19:16.42 | inspired | Caelum, ok, I sure hope so. got a new supermicro server with lots of funny hardware. had to boot in S-ATA MMIO mode to compile the modules, then switch back to RAID mode to redo installation. just want to know that the initramfs is created during install and that it's not just downloaded from the repository |
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| 19:19.14 | stinerman | dweb (and others), it seems there is a bug in the fglrx driver along with xorg 7.1 |
| 19:19.20 | stinerman | thanks for your help though |
| 19:19.29 | Feax | cydork: do you know the package for have on his deskop the CPU usage, RAM usage, SWAP etc.. ? |
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| 19:20.13 | cydork | Feax, conky |
| 19:20.23 | cydork | that is actully name of a app :) |
| 19:20.42 | Feax | cydork: it is not in apt-get ? |
| 19:20.50 | cydork | !info conky |
| 19:20.54 | dpkg | conky: (highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 125 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
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| 19:21.33 | Feax | muh ? It is not in sarge so ? |
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| 19:22.03 | cydork | !+info conky sarge |
| 19:22.04 | dpkg | Package 'conky' does not exist. |
| 19:22.11 | cydork | !+info torsmo sarge |
| 19:22.19 | dpkg | torsmo: (system monitor that sits in the corner of your desktop), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.18-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
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| 19:23.00 | cydork | Feax, try that ^^ |
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| 19:24.19 | Feax | cydork: with torsmo I am an extrem cooler, CPU: 0Ā° :) |
| 19:24.29 | Caelum | inspired: you'll find out on boot :) |
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| 19:25.28 | cydork | Feax, cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature or something like that |
| 19:25.28 | roxy_ | Is that correct to only accept from the said IP address: /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 62.193.202.9 -j ACCEPT |
| 19:26.08 | phpnuborn | ok.. found what i needed.. thx |
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| 19:26.16 | dracflamloc | hey |
| 19:26.31 | dracflamloc | is there a way to mount ntfs as read/write from debian etch ? |
| 19:27.02 | Feax | cydork: there is nothing in my thermal_zone directory |
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| 19:28.41 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
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| 19:31.43 | Roey | hey abrotman! |
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| 19:35.18 | d0uglas | my video and sound seems basically copacetic but on youtube and google video my entire processor is eaten up and the video gets very choppy, sometimes just a few frames a second, and the sound turns into some clicking static. It improves a bit when i switch the flash setting to low but it still is broked. What gives? |
| 19:35.48 | cydork | d0uglas, blame flash |
| 19:35.57 | d0uglas | sigh yeah i know... |
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| 19:36.44 | froze | OT: Does anyone know how to save a file in VIM so that the color syntax ANSI escape sequences are saved along with the original file data? |
| 19:38.43 | biopyte | hi. i'd like to compile glade3 (downloaded from debian experimental) here (testing). ./configure tells me that libxml-2.0 > 2.4 is required. but libxml2 is installed and it is 2.6.26. so, whats the problem? |
| 19:39.07 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:39.11 | Coweater | installed the -dev package? |
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| 19:39.38 | biopyte | Coweater, which -dev-package? gtk? |
| 19:39.48 | biopyte | libxml? |
| 19:39.53 | Coweater | yeah |
| 19:40.28 | biopyte | Coweater, i see, good idea. thanks, i try that. |
| 19:41.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:41.17 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:41.19 | inspired | argh, anyone here familiar with initramfs? |
| 19:41.45 | inspired | especially update-initramfs and getting a module into the image |
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| 19:47.06 | _Brandon_ | i've resolved the problem with installing acx drivers but now i can't see the device with iwconfig/ifconfig |
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| 19:49.20 | Digamma | Anyone know of a good audo app for linux? |
| 19:49.35 | c00lfon | concole or gui based? |
| 19:49.37 | c00lfon | console* |
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| 19:49.58 | Digamma | gui |
| 19:50.25 | c00lfon | Hm, try: amarok or xmms ;-) |
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| 19:50.44 | cahoot | Digamma: for what use? |
| 19:50.53 | Digamma | ripping playingh |
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| 19:51.01 | Digamma | the whole 9 yards |
| 19:51.04 | dman | someone can help me with an apmd question? |
| 19:51.32 | ApTek | !ask |
| 19:51.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:53.17 | dman | using apmd, i can see a triggered event when ac power is restored to a laptop, but not when a switch from ac power to battery power. doesnt that generate an event? |
| 19:53.32 | x_link | I have a text I have written in KWrite, I just added something to that text and then I saved it. |
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| 19:53.42 | x_link | But when I save it then it makes abackup on the file, can I disable that option ? |
| 19:53.57 | x_link | I know how to do it in KEdit, but I don't find the option in KWrite. Can somebody help me ? |
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| 19:54.46 | State-Prison | Hi all how I can change the password for user root and dsl in my dsl box ? |
| 19:54.53 | State-Prison | passwd newpass ? |
| 19:54.59 | Inez | passwd <user> |
| 19:55.08 | Inez | then your password and retype your password |
| 19:56.01 | State-Prison | thx alot |
| 19:56.17 | x_link | Anybody ? |
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| 19:59.42 | xjih78 | hi guys |
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| 19:59.51 | xjih78 | can someone tell me a good alternative to xmms |
| 20:00.05 | xjih78 | because it crashes while i scroll down |
| 20:00.10 | tarzeau | xjih78: opencubicplayer |
| 20:00.11 | joga_ | xjih78: rhythmbox ? |
| 20:00.17 | xjih78 | which is best? :) |
| 20:00.21 | tarzeau | xjih78: opencubicplayer |
| 20:01.24 | lunaphyte_ | grrr. how do i simply say 're-read fstab and remount the filesystems accordingly'? |
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| 20:03.45 | lunaphyte_ | mount -o remount is not working |
| 20:04.48 | tarzeau | lunaphyte_: why not? |
| 20:04.56 | tarzeau | mount -a ? |
| 20:05.09 | lunaphyte_ | it returns a usage statement. |
| 20:05.51 | tralala | lunaphyte_, perhaps it will work better if you specify a mount point |
| 20:05.54 | sepski | lunaphyte_, tried mount -a -O remount |
| 20:06.26 | sepski | lunaphyte, if not you must do one by one with mount -o remount /mountpoint |
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| 20:06.52 | biopyte | Coweater, installing -dev helped. glade3 running here. thanks. |
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| 20:08.12 | lunaphyte_ | thanks |
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| 20:08.28 | inspired | Caelum, damn, didn't work :/ this is ridiculously bad documented |
| 20:08.30 | madclicker | how can i find out the network connection speed on my network card? |
| 20:09.02 | wireddd | xjih78, have you tried amarok? |
| 20:09.19 | tralala | madclicker, in dmesg? |
| 20:09.26 | Digamma | Anyone know of a good GUI based package manager/ |
| 20:09.36 | pihhan | synaptic |
| 20:09.49 | Digamma | Another one? |
| 20:09.59 | madclicker | tralala, ofter 6 months of uptime? |
| 20:10.11 | Caelum | inspired: you can always use kernel-package to make your own kernel with all the modules you need (use make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image), then use the rescue option in netinst cd, chroot to your debian inst and install the new kernel |
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| 20:10.41 | Caelum | inspired: the install stuff is pretty badly documented, yeah... |
| 20:10.48 | xjih78 | wireddd, nope |
| 20:10.49 | pinky | I have an image (transparent PNG) that I want to superimpose text over. Can I use OO.o Writer to do that or should I go for The GiMP? |
| 20:10.52 | pihhan | kpackage, but it is not much good |
| 20:11.13 | tralala | madclicker, so all of a sudden after 6 months of use you decide you wanna know the nic speed? |
| 20:11.29 | dman | using apmd, i can see a triggered event when ac power is restored to a laptop, but not when a switch from ac power to battery power. doesnt that generate an event? |
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| 20:12.00 | inspired | Caelum, where do I find this rescue option? by just opening a new console? |
| 20:12.19 | madclicker | tralala, i know the nick is 1000, but i would like to know what speed is it right now, is it a 10MB or a 100MB connection on a cisco router |
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| 20:13.02 | Caelum | inspired: you can do that, or at the boot screen type "rescue" |
| 20:13.13 | Caelum | inspired: or use knoppix, same diff. |
| 20:13.20 | inspired | ah, thanks |
| 20:13.35 | tralala | madclicker, can you unplug the network cable? |
| 20:13.44 | madclicker | tralala, no |
| 20:14.19 | grendal_prime | anyone else using a treo 650? |
| 20:14.45 | grendal_prime | i want to yank the images off of it with my debian laptop, but .well i see no aplication for doing this. |
| 20:15.00 | tralala | madclicker, is the network hevily in use? |
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| 20:15.29 | Trewas | madclicker: mii-tool or ethtool should tell |
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| 20:18.19 | noiano | hi |
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| 20:19.07 | inspired | Caelum, any idea how to make a driver disk for debian installation? |
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| 20:19.28 | inspired | just putting the modules in the root dir of the floppy isn't enough apparently |
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| 20:21.00 | valdyn | inspired: you could still insmod those modules |
| 20:21.01 | BucWheat | hi all. is there a way to have a maintenance type entry in grub that will allow users to login only to run fsck on drives? |
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| 20:21.33 | inspired | valdyn, yeah, but when I reboot then those modules are lost |
| 20:21.42 | inspired | and I can't boot, since the modules are for my raid controller |
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| 20:22.17 | valdyn | BucWheat: can a linux system be created that lets you run fsck only? |
| 20:22.23 | inspired | valdyn, unless you have another smart way of doing it :( |
| 20:22.47 | valdyn | !custom d-i |
| 20:22.47 | dpkg | methinks custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
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| 20:23.12 | valdyn | inspired: that ^^ is probably better than anything i'd come up with even if 'my' idea would work |
| 20:23.22 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 20:23.23 | dpkg | methinks custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 20:23.33 | frank__ | hello, i'm looking for a way encoding audio from the soundcard to amr on the fly, can someone tell me which tools would be able to do this? |
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| 20:23.50 | abrotman | bonus points if you know what AMR is! |
| 20:24.02 | tralala | !amr |
| 20:24.03 | dpkg | hmm... amr is audio modem riser slot, or an implication of brokenness, someone said. |
| 20:24.07 | abrotman | ewwwwwwwww |
| 20:24.13 | abrotman | i thought that was CNR .. oh well |
| 20:24.20 | frank__ | abrotman it is a simple encoding algorithm. but i would be happy with mp3 aswell |
| 20:24.33 | abrotman | !Info vsound sarge |
| 20:24.38 | frank__ | for pure quality |
| 20:24.41 | dpkg | vsound: has nothing about Info |
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| 20:24.44 | abrotman | !info vsound sarge |
| 20:24.50 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 20:25.02 | frank__ | ahhh |
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| 20:25.11 | frank__ | abrotman, you suggest to have a look into vsound? |
| 20:25.29 | g3brown | I'm installing some stuff and I would like to log the console output as I type. Is there a simple way to do this? |
| 20:25.35 | valdyn | BucWheat: the init=<program> kernel parameter basically enables you to run whatever 'crippled' system you want, but there's no way around you scripting that <program> unless google knows better |
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| 20:26.21 | frank__ | abrotman i was looking for something that can directly record from the soundcard |
| 20:26.25 | tralala | g3brown, screen |
| 20:27.33 | g3brown | tralala: screen? |
| 20:28.02 | BucWheat | valdyn ok. i will look into it |
| 20:28.10 | grummund | hello... my X resolution won't go as high as i know the monitor is capable of... where should i start looking for the answer pls? |
| 20:28.10 | g3brown | tralala: ah, I think I see it |
| 20:28.27 | tralala | g3brown, screen can save the working buffer |
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| 20:28.39 | g3brown | tralala: cool thanks. |
| 20:29.11 | valdyn | grummund: /var/log/Xorg.0.log ( or XFree86.0.log if you are running sarge ) |
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| 20:29.41 | grummund | valdyn: ok thanks. i was wondering about a faq, or doc(s)... |
| 20:31.14 | tralala | !drxx grummund |
| 20:31.14 | dpkg | grummund: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 20:31.41 | dman | using apmd, i can see a triggered event when ac power is restored to a laptop, but not when a switch from ac power to battery power. doesnt that generate an event? yes. checkout http://z505hs.sourceforge.net/52 |
| 20:32.34 | valdyn | grummund: the log may be easiest, for instance '(II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range)' tells me precisely what's wrong for using that mode |
| 20:33.01 | grummund | valdyn: ok thanks, i'm looking at the log now. |
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| 20:40.12 | wireddd | support for syncing a windows mobile 5 pda phone and kde seems to be quite challenging |
| 20:41.03 | wireddd | if it is possible at all |
| 20:41.09 | x_link | Does anybody know a good site where I can get good wallpapers ? |
| 20:41.23 | wireddd | deviantart? |
| 20:41.29 | Aer0TeK | x_link: looroll.com shadowness.com deviant art |
| 20:41.37 | x_link | Okey |
| 20:41.39 | x_link | Thanks. |
| 20:41.41 | Aer0TeK | sure |
| 20:41.46 | x_link | Myd ebian machine got mesed up |
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| 20:41.57 | x_link | So I had to do a re-install. So I can't find my old wallpaper. I LVOED It |
| 20:42.03 | x_link | The BEST wallpaper I ever had. |
| 20:42.09 | Aer0TeK | what was it? |
| 20:42.17 | x_link | I will send $70 to the one that find it |
| 20:42.27 | Aer0TeK | what was it? I have a few |
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| 20:42.29 | killown | after compile kernel I get error during boot FATAL: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.15.7/modules.dep.temp for writing: no such file or directory That folder does exist what I do to fix it? |
| 20:42.37 | x_link | 2 Dolphins, black background, blue dolphins. |
| 20:42.46 | x_link | Not real animals, like 3D or something. |
| 20:42.57 | Aer0TeK | hmm, don't have that, but I think I saw one like that |
| 20:43.16 | x_link | Aer0TeK: where ? |
| 20:43.38 | x_link | www.deviantartcom is that URL right ? |
| 20:44.08 | Aer0TeK | x_link: wasn't this was it? http://www.seekcodes.com/backgrounds/Abstact/3d-dolphins.jpg |
| 20:44.32 | x_link | No |
| 20:44.45 | x_link | THis one is just black, with blue dolphins. |
| 20:44.55 | x_link | It's SOOO AWESOME. |
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| 20:45.06 | x_link | Aer0TeK: www.deviantartcom is that right ? |
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| 20:45.52 | tarzeau | why the fuck does mplayer need gtk? |
| 20:46.08 | tarzeau | and debian doesn't ship mencoder |
| 20:46.12 | Aer0TeK | x_link: I dunno. just google it |
| 20:46.24 | tarzeau | guess i'll be using MY mplayer again |
| 20:46.49 | styvy | 'would suggest http://www.deviantart.com |
| 20:46.59 | x_link | styvy: Okey, thanks |
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| 20:47.09 | x_link | Like I said, if somebody find that wallpaper I will send that person $70 |
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| 20:48.48 | wah | hi. is there an easy way to install the matching kernel sources for a default installation of debian etch? |
| 20:50.21 | wireddd | for $70 someone would probably make on for you |
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| 20:51.32 | Aer0TeK | I have a problem with the eth0 interface not coming up on boot |
| 20:51.43 | Aer0TeK | I have to manually bring it up and then run dhclient |
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| 20:52.15 | Aer0TeK | line from /etc/network/interfaces says allow-hotplug eth0 as the first part. Should I make this auto instead? |
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| 20:52.47 | wireddd | I am pretty sure it should be auto |
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| 20:55.02 | Aer0TeK | I'll try it |
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| 20:55.38 | x_link | Aer0TeK: www.wallpaps.com is a very good wallpaper site. |
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| 20:57.35 | jcole | how does one map joystick button presses to a terminal command? |
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| 20:58.18 | jcole | since someone will ask "what is this for"... it's for firing off sounds using a joystick... |
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| 21:00.06 | jplibre | weird VI issue - I have always been able to use 'x' or 'DEL' to delete beyond a newline and bring the next line to the end of the current line. for some reason on a few systems I cannot do this and I am not sure what the config setting is. these are all VIM (I know standard vi doesn't do this by default). |
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| 21:02.12 | wah | jplibre: do you start vim with the compatible configuration setting? |
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| 21:05.26 | Caelum | inspired: forget the debian installation. Just make a custom kernel package and install it via chroot. |
| 21:05.58 | jplibre | wah: usually not, but let me check these systems |
| 21:06.18 | inspired | Caelum, ok, any hints on how to do that? |
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| 21:06.59 | jplibre | wah: set nocompatible |
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| 21:08.14 | abrotman | frank__: directly from the soundcard via what device? |
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| 21:10.31 | Caelum | inspired: on another debian system, install kernel-package. Configure your kernel and do make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image. Use knoppix or the netinst disc to chroot to your debian install. dpkg -i thekernelimage.deb |
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| 21:11.18 | Caelum | inspired: if you want me to elaborate on any of those steps, I'll be glad to |
| 21:12.24 | inspired | Caelum, nah, that should be enough info :) I'm compiling for an amd64 system. can I still do this on my i386 laptop? |
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| 21:13.18 | wah | jplibre: okay. i don't have any other idea at the moment |
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| 21:13.48 | jplibre | wah: found it - set backspace=eol,start,indent |
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| 21:14.01 | jplibre | wah: that covers x and del as well as backspace apparently |
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| 21:14.12 | Caelum | inspired: sure! |
| 21:14.34 | inspired | Caelum, any special precautions to take? how do I define what system I'm compiling for? |
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| 21:15.14 | Caelum | inspired: you might need amd64-libs-dev and libc6-dev-amd64 but I'm not sure about that, you might not... |
| 21:15.27 | aFlag | my debian sid says "* Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled" during the boot. What does that mean? |
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| 21:15.48 | asg | aFlag: it means that /etc/inetd.conf is fully commented out generally |
| 21:15.53 | Caelum | inspired: I think the i386 gcc makes amd64 targets by default, if not you can always make a generic kernel at first with the hardware support you need, and just make a new one once your system is bootable |
| 21:16.06 | aFlag | asg, oh, I see |
| 21:16.30 | Shadowcat | I really hope the amd64 gcc compiles correctly |
| 21:16.40 | inspired | Caelum, I see. well, now I have a bcraid.ko module. how do I "get" this into the kernel I will compile? |
| 21:16.45 | Shadowcat | because otherwise I'm gonna have one hell of a mess when I try to compile my kernel later in the week |
| 21:16.56 | inspired | I suppose I should use the sources again to rebuild it, but where do I place those so that they are included in that kernel? |
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| 21:17.18 | inspired | Caelum, sorry for my ignorance |
| 21:17.35 | Caelum | inspired: grab the latest kernel tree, if the module you need is NOT in there, get it via a kernel patch and apply it. |
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| 21:18.34 | Caelum | inspired: oh wait, that's a proprietary driver, so that wouldn't work... |
| 21:19.05 | inspired | when I finally get this working I'm documenting it and putting it somewhere. this has been a pain in the ass |
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| 21:21.55 | Caelum | inspired: look at this: http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/faq_drivers.php#tg3 |
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| 21:22.28 | Caelum | inspired: "If you are using the latest upstream kernel from www.kernel.org, you generally do not need to download the Linux driver packages from Broadcom as the latest upstream kernel has the latest Linux driver patches." |
| 21:22.29 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 21:22.33 | Shadowcat | broadcom wireless drivers |
| 21:22.34 | Shadowcat | useless |
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| 21:22.46 | inspired | Caelum, yeah, but that's for the ethernet drivers, not the raid drivers |
| 21:22.51 | Caelum | oh wait, wrong drivers, doh... |
| 21:23.20 | inspired | Caelum, I had some hassles with tg3 as well, but I managed to solve that. now it's just bcraid left |
| 21:23.22 | Shadowcat | generally speaking anything broadcom and Linux is like dealing with ATI |
| 21:23.55 | inspired | Caelum, they have a SDK here: http://www.raidcore.com/Downloads/V2.1/index.html |
| 21:24.12 | theeil | is there anything installed with any selection of initial packages which could screw with udp traffic (firewall, etc)? |
| 21:24.15 | inspired | that's where I found the source I compiled to get the modules |
| 21:25.51 | abrotman | the broadcom in my laptop works pretty well .. i don't think it requires a blob |
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| 21:26.04 | Shadowcat | older broadcom hardware should work |
| 21:26.08 | krazykit | but not newer stuff |
| 21:26.10 | Caelum | inspired: well, if you can't stick it into the kernel tree or compile it into the kernel, you have to change the mkinitrd options to put the module into the initrd image |
| 21:26.12 | krazykit | like bcm4318 |
| 21:26.20 | Shadowcat | but anything produced within the year is akin to pulling teeth |
| 21:26.26 | Shadowcat | pretty much like ATI |
| 21:26.26 | krazykit | the 4318 is broken, even by broadcom standards |
| 21:26.26 | inspired | Caelum, ok, there is a guide on how to patch bcraid into the kernel. but I don't understand how this helps me get it into the initrd image? |
| 21:26.33 | Shadowcat | you need something ancient for it to work |
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| 21:27.00 | krazykit | the 4318 is a nightmare. i'm planning on just getting a ralink card |
| 21:27.07 | Caelum | inspired: does that guide let you make the module compiled directly into the kernel, or only as a separate module? |
| 21:27.11 | tarzeau | haha fun, when you get mails like: BIG PROBLEM! HELP PLEASE! |
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| 21:27.29 | abrotman | Shadowcat: my broadcom wifi works in the mac! |
| 21:27.34 | Caelum | inspired: because the mkinitrd scripts use a list to determine which modules to include, which might leave that module out... |
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| 21:28.02 | abrotman | Shadowcat: it's airport extreme or some crap .. it's in my closet :) |
| 21:28.02 | pestilence | i want a list of all installed packages on my system, so i can easily install the same set of packages on a second system. how should i do this? |
| 21:28.03 | Shadowcat | might as well use it as a weapon as it won't work as intended anyway |
| 21:28.13 | abrotman | !tell pestilence about debian clone |
| 21:28.40 | pestilence | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 21:28.40 | inspired | Caelum, yes, I found that out the hard way (about 5 times), except I'm using update-initramfs or mkinitramfs. as I understand initrd is deprecated and will be replaced by initramfs |
| 21:29.21 | SeanTater | I'm trying to use gallery2 (the debian way0, and I finally got the alias to work. however, I cannot get any databases to work with php.. |
| 21:29.27 | Caelum | well yeah, it's been using cramfs for a long time now |
| 21:29.30 | inspired | I have tried to force inclusion of that module into the initramfs image, but when I zcat the file to check it's still not included |
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| 21:30.11 | Caelum | inspired: you could unzip the image, change the stuff you want, and zip it back up with mkinitramfs |
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| 21:30.21 | pestilence | abrotman, wow, that was easy. |
| 21:30.31 | inspired | Caelum, true, I'll try that. thanks! |
| 21:30.34 | gnufied` | I have couple of machines..on which i install mostly the same packages. Apart from setting my own repository, is there any other way to avoid multiple download of same software? |
| 21:30.37 | Caelum | inspired: good luck! |
| 21:31.07 | Caelum | inspired: make sure to change the conf files in the image to load that module too! |
| 21:31.15 | tarzeau | abrotman!!!! |
| 21:31.34 | inspired | Caelum, hehe, yeah |
| 21:31.49 | inspired | Caelum, when I eventually figure this out. is there some wiki I should add the instructions to? |
| 21:32.28 | Caelum | inspired: wiki.debian.org :) |
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| 21:33.02 | wireddd | is there a server app I can install so that will let my pda use its exchange sync to sync my contcts/calendar/todo lists with kontact? |
| 21:33.15 | pickcoder | yay..Monday is almost over. |
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| 21:33.55 | Shadowcat | pickcoder: we'll ship you to Alaska just to torture you a little longer |
| 21:33.58 | Shadowcat | >:) |
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| 21:34.12 | pickcoder | gee thanks |
| 21:34.32 | Caelum | wireddd: kpilot? |
| 21:34.42 | wireddd | its windows mobile 5 |
| 21:34.53 | Shadowcat | wireddd: then it won't work |
| 21:35.23 | Shadowcat | then again I knew that as soon as you asked the question |
| 21:35.33 | pickcoder | I got to play handyman today to fix, of all things here, a broken door knob. Of course, once it's fixed it's an obvious challenge to employees to break it again. |
| 21:35.42 | pickcoder | the next time it breaks I'm putting a binary lock on it |
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| 21:35.48 | wireddd | that is pretty much the conclusion I had come to after googling for a few hours |
| 21:36.13 | inspired | pickcoder, why not just electrify it? |
| 21:36.22 | mikefoo | Anyone know of a test suite? I just replaced a hard drive and sata controller in a few servers. I want to burn them in for a few days before putting into production. Anyone have a recommendation? |
| 21:36.26 | Caelum | wireddd: http://synce.sourceforge.net/synce/ |
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| 21:36.38 | pickcoder | inspired: OSHA would look very poorly on that |
| 21:36.39 | Shadowcat | Caelum: again, that won't work |
| 21:36.43 | wireddd | Caelum, I tried that, but it doesn't work |
| 21:37.07 | Caelum | that sucks, it seems to be the only thing available so far... |
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| 21:38.05 | simonrvn | sync to evolution, then sync to kontact? |
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| 21:38.22 | tarzeau | haha |
| 21:38.24 | Caelum | evolution only syncs with palms and some mobile phones, it seems |
| 21:38.26 | wireddd | how would I sync it to evolution? |
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| 21:39.14 | simonrvn | tarzeau: laugh, but that's the only thing available right now i can think of |
| 21:39.17 | simonrvn | Caelum: i see |
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| 21:39.59 | pickcoder | I haven't used my Tungesten E for over a year. Lost my charger and just found out that Belkin makes a combo cable for it. Now, I have no need for it since my cellphone does just as much. :P |
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| 21:40.25 | liran_ | which cellphone is that pickcoder? |
| 21:40.33 | Caelum | I got a lifedrive on impulse, it's pretty, but I haven't used it for months... |
| 21:40.36 | Shadowcat | this isn't about syncing with a client app |
| 21:40.42 | pickcoder | Sony E520a |
| 21:40.45 | Shadowcat | this is about the fact that WM5 support simply isn't implemented yet |
| 21:40.46 | Shadowcat | period |
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| 21:41.24 | pickcoder | all I need is calendar reminders, tasks reminders, and a few toys like calc and such |
| 21:41.53 | Shadowcat | when I finish hacking the synCE code so that it supports WM5 properly |
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| 21:41.57 | Shadowcat | I'll let you know :P |
| 21:42.01 | wireddd | Shadowcat, I wish it was, I really like this phone |
| 21:42.09 | Shadowcat | Windows on a phone? |
| 21:42.14 | Shadowcat | we should really hang you for that |
| 21:42.41 | simonrvn | indeed. should've gone for one of those hackable ones and stick embedded linux on it ;) |
| 21:43.09 | wireddd | it was free.... |
| 21:43.15 | simonrvn | heh |
| 21:43.22 | CrippsFX | so, last night I was complaining about ndiswrapper, and not being given an interface name for my wireless adapter .... well, today at work (on the same laptop) I used an atheros chipset wireless connector, and I had the same problem with madwifi not giving the adapter an interface name! |
| 21:43.23 | Shadowcat | wireddd: still a lynchable offense |
| 21:43.25 | simonrvn | now you know why :P (j/k) |
| 21:43.26 | Shadowcat | especially in this channel |
| 21:43.28 | CrippsFX | ... what's going on? |
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| 21:44.09 | simonrvn | madwifi is pissed off at you? |
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| 21:44.33 | CrippsFX | simonrvn, yeah ... so is ndiswrapper. |
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| 21:46.02 | wireddd | maybe I should just figure out how to load linux on it |
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| 21:47.04 | simonrvn | porbably be easier to do |
| 21:47.07 | simonrvn | pro* |
| 21:47.25 | pickcoder | hrm.. it's not an e520a it's a z520a. I really need a vacation. |
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| 21:47.46 | Shadowcat | wireddd: not gonna happen either |
| 21:47.52 | Shadowcat | I've researched this to death |
| 21:47.54 | Shadowcat | even more so than you have |
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| 21:48.12 | wireddd | why not? |
| 21:48.46 | wireddd | linux has already been ported to arm |
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| 21:53.44 | Shadowcat | wireddd: that doesn't mean it'll boot on YOUR device |
| 21:53.53 | Shadowcat | and you'll probably ruin the device |
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| 21:55.36 | wireddd | probably, but it will never happen if no one tries |
| 21:56.05 | wireddd | besides, it has a 1 year warrenty |
| 21:56.17 | simonrvn | do the research first. if someone else has already tried then you can build from that. warranties don't cover that |
| 21:56.34 | simonrvn | if they found it doesn't work, then fuck it |
| 21:56.37 | CrippsFX | alright ... now I'm having REALLY weird issues ... my wireless shows up as "eth1" in iwconfig ... but when I do "ifconfig eth1 up" I get the error:SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 21:56.38 | CrippsFX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:56.41 | pickcoder | heh I was about to say.. try explaining that to the returns dept |
| 21:56.49 | CrippsFX | anyone had this before? |
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| 21:57.11 | Shadowcat | wireddd: I'm VERY sure attempting to install Linux on it voids that |
| 21:57.28 | wireddd | Shadowcat, like anyone would be able to tell |
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| 21:57.59 | Shadowcat | uhh yes they would |
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| 21:58.04 | wireddd | windows does crazy things all the time |
| 21:58.10 | Shadowcat | they would be able to tell if you attempted to write something to rom |
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| 21:58.39 | CrippsFX | Shadowcat, yeah, but the first thought through their heads would be "stupid user" |
| 21:58.53 | wireddd | exactly |
| 21:58.58 | CrippsFX | ... because the user is always wrong ... and the user never has any idea what they're doing ;) |
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| 21:59.31 | CrippsFX | wireddd, you could try installing it to RAM until you get kinks worked out, then work on a ROM installer. |
| 21:59.41 | Shadowcat | CrippsFX: I'm pretty sure Q/A would catch it sooner or later |
| 21:59.43 | Shadowcat | and then bill you |
| 21:59.47 | simonrvn | yes |
| 22:00.02 | CrippsFX | wireddd, if you're interested, just check out #hackndev ... they do embedded stuff. |
| 22:01.05 | CrippsFX | anyways ... if I have eth1 showing up in "iwconfig" but not in "ifconfig," how would I go about getting my wireless up and running? |
| 22:01.06 | wireddd | after all the time I spent porting emulators to the gmini, I know my way around embedded systems pretty well |
| 22:01.38 | gpm | hey all, my second harddrive doesn't show up on the desktop...removable drives show up, but my non-removable second hd doesn't. i'm on gnome in sid here...please let me know if there's a package i'm missing or what? |
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| 22:02.02 | CrippsFX | gpm, sounds like it just isn't mounted. |
| 22:02.09 | gpm | it is :/ |
| 22:02.20 | Shadowcat | ...... |
| 22:02.21 | CrippsFX | oh. you can access the files on it? |
| 22:02.22 | gpm | i can even browse it in nautilus |
| 22:02.24 | gpm | yeah |
| 22:02.27 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 22:02.34 | CrippsFX | then just set up a symlink on your desktop. |
| 22:02.36 | Shadowcat | gpm: does it show up phsyically in the console? |
| 22:02.42 | gpm | Shadowcat: yeah |
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| 22:03.17 | gpm | it's there when i run df |
| 22:04.19 | simonrvn | so make a symlink to it, and be happy |
| 22:04.34 | gpm | i'm just wondering if there's a package i'm missing |
| 22:04.43 | gpm | it shows up in ubuntu |
| 22:04.50 | gpm | not a complaint, just a question |
| 22:04.56 | gpm | if anyone knows if there's a package i need |
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| 22:06.10 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 22:06.30 | simonrvn | apt-cache search gnome vfs |
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| 22:10.01 | CrippsFX | I am now getting the mysterious error: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" when I try "ifconfig eth1 up" ... does anybody know their way around this one? |
| 22:10.26 | theeil | i can't seem to use bittorrent - most clients giving udp errors; can anyone help? |
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| 22:11.33 | simonrvn | CrippsFX: have you checked if ndiswrapper or madwifi support your thing? |
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| 22:11.58 | JordiGH | There's a header in libvtk5-dev that tries to be all ANSI C++ yet includes strstream instead of sstream. Is that a bug? |
| 22:12.00 | CrippsFX | simonrvn, right now I'm using ndiswrapper for my broadcom card .... yes, it is supported. |
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| 22:12.12 | JordiGH | (i.e. should I go nag the maintainer?) |
| 22:12.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
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| 22:14.36 | CrippsFX | simonrvn, heh ... it's because I forgot to unload the bcm43xx module :P ... silly me. |
| 22:14.53 | simonrvn | doh! hehe. in one way i love those =) |
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| 22:15.12 | simonrvn | know why? because there's the sense of relief that it was something simple |
| 22:15.17 | CrippsFX | lol, yeah. |
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| 22:15.37 | CrippsFX | ... but then you hit the next problem ... like, why isn't my dhcp client getting a lease? |
| 22:16.19 | simonrvn | dhcpd not running, not seeing DHCP* packets, or something more basic |
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| 22:17.06 | luke-jr_work | Is the netfilter ROUTE target available for Debian? |
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| 22:17.54 | the_mug | I'm trying to get php5 installed as a module for apache 2.2.3 but there isn't a deb package out there for it. how could I just build it myself? but I need custom ./configure options to be passed in to it. possible? (surely) |
| 22:17.55 | simonrvn | the iproute for sid and etch is very recent, so it probably is (with recent-ish kernels) |
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| 22:18.05 | CrippsFX | simonrvn, to tell you the truth, none of those ... it's only with wireless that it doesn't recieve a lease. |
| 22:18.15 | simonrvn | weird |
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| 22:18.22 | simonrvn | the_mug: yes there is |
| 22:18.47 | the_mug | simonrvn: yes there is a way? or a package? or both? |
| 22:19.07 | kencausey | I'm running Unstable and it's been a few weeks since my last update/upgrade. Currently apt-get update gets to 99% and just sits there. Even after updating apt to 0.6.46.2. |
| 22:19.11 | luke-jr_work | ... |
| 22:19.17 | CrippsFX | simonrvn, you're telling me ;) |
| 22:19.29 | simonrvn | a package |
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| 22:19.59 | war95 | Anyone here have an HD (TV) set-top box from Adelphia? |
| 22:20.01 | the_mug | php5 for apache 2.2.3 ? where? |
| 22:20.09 | CrippsFX | hm ... don't get any scan results either for "iwlist eth1 scanning" ... and I'm right on top of my AP |
| 22:20.17 | simonrvn | sid. dunno if it made it to etch yet |
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| 22:20.44 | the_mug | CrippsFX: what kind of box are you running the scan in? |
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| 22:21.24 | CrippsFX | the_mug, laptop, debian etch running kernel 2.6.17-2-486, ndiswrapper (for a broadcom card). |
| 22:21.31 | htaccess | is there a meta package on sarge to get all the packages (gcc make etc) necessary to build code from source? |
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| 22:21.41 | CrippsFX | htaccess, build-essential |
| 22:21.42 | JordiGH | htaccess: build-essential |
| 22:21.46 | htaccess | thanks |
| 22:21.50 | CrippsFX | JordiGH, I win ;) |
| 22:22.05 | CrippsFX | lol |
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| 22:22.35 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:23.51 | the_mug | CrippsFX: hmmm. ndis is bad news ... but I was going to suggest that if you were on a laptop... sometimes they have a built-in on/off swith for the on-board wireless. clearly not the problem you're having. |
| 22:24.09 | CrippsFX | the_mug, no, no it's not. |
| 22:24.11 | the_mug | CrazyEddy: sorry |
| 22:24.12 | JordiGH | rm caca* |
| 22:24.20 | JordiGH | er, excuse me. |
| 22:24.47 | simonrvn | TMI |
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| 22:25.18 | the_mug | simonrvn: what package were you talking about? (php5 for apache 2.2.3) ? |
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| 22:25.49 | JordiGH | simonrvn: It's just the generic name I give to all temp files. :-/ |
| 22:25.56 | simonrvn | aah ok |
| 22:26.12 | CrippsFX | ... grr .... and I get the same results whether I'm using bcm43xx or ndiswrapper :/ |
| 22:26.30 | JordiGH | simonrvn: It was funny when I was a preteen, and old habits die hard. |
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| 22:26.42 | simonrvn | JordiGH: i said TMI as joke, because of the caca, alluding to you doing caca in public hehe |
| 22:26.50 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 22:27.03 | the_mug | simonrvn: ? |
| 22:27.04 | plutonas | hello I use ratpoison as my window manager, how can I configure my system so that i log in in text mode (not gdm), and then when I give startx that it loads ratpoison? |
| 22:27.06 | simonrvn | the_mug: php5 .. heh |
| 22:27.31 | simonrvn | remove gdm or whatever dm you have |
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| 22:27.49 | the_mug | simonrvn: how will that install it as an apache module? |
| 22:27.52 | jak | hi all. im trying to install x-window-system and apt tells me, that it depends on xorg which is not going to be installed... how can i solve this? is x-window-system still existing or should i try to install something else? THX |
| 22:28.21 | simonrvn | the mod is libapache2-mod-php5 - of course you would know that if you had searched for it |
| 22:28.54 | plutonas | simonrvn: and if I want to get into another wm? how would I do it withou gdm? |
| 22:29.12 | simonrvn | plutonas: edit ~/.xsession |
| 22:29.24 | JordiGH | jak: I take it you're using sarge? |
| 22:29.29 | wols_ | jak: which branch of debian? |
| 22:29.42 | jak | JordiGH yes |
| 22:29.48 | jak | wols_ sarge |
| 22:29.58 | wols_ | jak: do you try to install a backport? |
| 22:30.08 | plutonas | simonrvn: I don't have a file like this... |
| 22:30.16 | jak | wols_ no, i just want to set my x up somehow |
| 22:30.20 | wols_ | plutonas: create one |
| 22:30.22 | simonrvn | !xsession |
| 22:30.23 | dpkg | [xsession] ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 22:30.26 | wols_ | jak: then you are not running sarge |
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| 22:30.44 | wols_ | jak: sarge gets xfree86 when you try to install x-window-system |
| 22:31.21 | jak | wols_ youps, youre right... it was a sarge cd i was installing from... im using testing... forgot the name |
| 22:31.31 | plutonas | thx |
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| 22:32.26 | jak | wols_ running etch... sorry... |
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| 22:32.53 | wols_ | jak: paste your sources.list in a paster |
| 22:33.32 | luke-jr_work | Is the netfilter ROUTE target available for Debian? |
| 22:33.34 | the_mug | simonrvn: of course I searched for it. that is an APACHE 2.0 module |
| 22:33.48 | wireddd | anyone know if you can use the exchange sync in wm5 to sync with the gpl version of openxchange? |
| 22:33.57 | jak | wols_ this is the important line i think: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
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| 22:34.36 | wols_ | jak: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg |
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| 22:34.48 | simonrvn | the_mug: yeh. like i said, the php5 in sid was built for it. i'm running it on 2 machines |
| 22:34.51 | wols_ | same thing Paste it somewhere |
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| 22:35.32 | simonrvn | .:17:18:47:. >> the_mug<< simonrvn: yes there is a way? or a package? or both? |
| 22:35.38 | simonrvn | .:17:19:28:. < simonrvn> a package |
| 22:35.41 | simonrvn | .:17:20:16:. < simonrvn> sid. dunno if it made it to etch yet |
| 22:35.58 | jak | wols_ installed none, cand.: 1:7.1.0-5 version table (same number) 500 <ftp-server> testing/main Packages |
| 22:35.59 | the_mug | simonrvn: doh |
| 22:36.02 | simonrvn | look who wasn't reading replies ;) |
| 22:36.07 | the_mug | lol |
| 22:36.10 | JordiGH | Hm, is there an mp3 player that will sort songs by album and song number in their id3 tags? |
| 22:36.12 | simonrvn | :) |
| 22:36.19 | the_mug | simonrvn: i had no idea you were talking to me. sorry. |
| 22:36.33 | simonrvn | partly my fault. it's ok. good luck |
| 22:36.42 | the_mug | simonrvn: sid is unstable. gotcha. |
| 22:36.49 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 22:37.02 | the_mug | simonrvn: thanks amigo. I do appreciate the help. really. :-) |
| 22:37.19 | simonrvn | :) |
| 22:37.22 | the_mug | JordiGH: amarok |
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| 22:38.15 | JordiGH | Oh. Gnome's player thingie does it too. So long xmms, I guess. |
| 22:38.25 | JordiGH | Rhythmbox. |
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| 22:39.14 | JordiGH | Oh. I'll have to turn off arts. |
| 22:39.28 | JordiGH | Down with anti-artsism! |
| 22:40.18 | JordiGH | Er, /dev/dsp doesn't exist. What was it that I had to modprobe to fix that? |
| 22:40.36 | simonrvn | snd-*-oss |
| 22:40.38 | azeem | JordiGH: does /dev/sound/* exist? |
| 22:40.45 | simonrvn | snd-pcm-oss |
| 22:40.58 | JordiGH | azeem: It doesn't. |
| 22:41.02 | JordiGH | simonrvn: oss? |
| 22:41.22 | simonrvn | yes, it's an oss dev file |
| 22:41.33 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:42.36 | JordiGH | azeem: It exists, but I'm not sure if it was there before I modprobed snd-pcm-oss. |
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| 22:43.12 | dewaard | what is the Debian equivalent of yum provides zlib (Centos) on Debian? I tried apt-get provides zlib, but that doesn't work |
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| 22:43.37 | JordiGH | !info rpmstrap |
| 22:43.41 | simonrvn | zlib1g |
| 22:43.45 | dpkg | rpmstrap: (bootstrap a basic RPM-based system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.5.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 22:43.53 | azeem | JordiGH: it was |
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| 22:44.02 | azeem | JordiGH: if you have ALSA, why do you need OSS? |
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| 22:44.14 | JordiGH | azeem: rhythmbox wants to use /dev/dsp. |
| 22:44.16 | simonrvn | some crap apps still look for /dev/dsp |
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| 22:44.24 | JordiGH | :-( |
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| 22:44.44 | azeem | JordiGH: gstreamer-properties |
| 22:44.55 | simonrvn | i believe you can make rhythmbox look for alsa stuff. |
| 22:44.58 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 22:45.25 | jak | wols_ godda go, thx for your time :) |
| 22:45.44 | dewaard | thanks |
| 22:45.58 | g8m | alsa can emulate /dev/dsp, its a kernel option I think |
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| 22:46.36 | JordiGH | azeem: Hm, no option for ALSA in gstreamer-properties. |
| 22:47.14 | azeem | that's weird |
| 22:47.37 | simonrvn | g8m: we've been over that =) |
| 22:47.58 | JordiGH | simonrvn: Really? How were we over that? |
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| 22:48.02 | g8m | sorry, wasnt reading that far back |
| 22:48.22 | simonrvn | snd-pcm-oss and friends |
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| 22:48.41 | JordiGH | simonrvn: How do I make that permanent? It goes away on reboots. |
| 22:48.48 | simonrvn | /etc/modules |
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| 22:49.35 | JordiGH | Is there any reason why I would not want that? |
| 22:49.53 | simonrvn | nah, it won't interfere |
| 22:49.57 | JordiGH | Sweet. |
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| 22:52.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:52.08 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 22:57.37 | wireddd | I wonder how many full time debian users there are |
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| 22:58.59 | jetscreamer | zero |
| 22:59.13 | jetscreamer | in soviet russia, debian uses YOU! |
| 22:59.18 | wireddd | I do |
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| 23:00.02 | JordiGH | !soviet russia |
| 23:00.09 | JordiGH | !re |
| 23:00.09 | dpkg | hmm... re is reverse engineering, or the note one tone above do, or an abbreviation from the latin meaning "concerning", or an abbreviation of reply used to prefix email subjects when replying, or 'rehi', ie. 'hello again', or an abbreviation for regular expressions. |
| 23:00.26 | azeem | wireddd: what the heck is a full-time Debian user? |
| 23:00.39 | azeem | people hanging in front of their Debian notebook 24/7? |
| 23:00.50 | JordiGH | I use nothing but Debian... and Knoppix if I'm forced to use someone else's computer. |
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| 23:00.57 | jetscreamer | what is debian? |
| 23:01.18 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: What is Debian? There is mind, but there is no Debian. Mu. |
| 23:01.58 | Eulex | !moo |
| 23:01.59 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:02.00 | jetscreamer | s/man/somethine/ |
| 23:02.01 | wireddd | what I ment was "a user who uses only uses debian on there desktop/laptop" no dual booting |
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| 23:02.34 | jetscreamer | but what if you have two or three computers right next to each other |
| 23:02.50 | wireddd | then they all have to be running debian |
| 23:02.50 | jetscreamer | how does a kvm fit into that also |
| 23:02.54 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 23:03.10 | jetscreamer | what if one is a laptop and is only there some of the time :) |
| 23:03.11 | azeem | wireddd: there are |
| 23:03.14 | azeem | can we move on now? |
| 23:03.30 | jetscreamer | i probably fit in your category though |
| 23:04.23 | wireddd | azeem, sure |
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| 23:05.45 | jetscreamer | yeah make room for all this other conversation dammit! :) |
| 23:06.19 | azeem | jetscreamer: nothing wrong with the channel being idle |
| 23:06.29 | azeem | feel free to casually chat on #debian-offtopic if you like |
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| 23:07.10 | jetscreamer | --- #debian-offtopic :You can't join that many channels |
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| 23:07.16 | jetscreamer | jsut fyi |
| 23:07.29 | azeem | I don't envy you |
| 23:07.42 | wollie | hey, folks! what was the difference between arch: all and arch: any? |
| 23:08.07 | jetscreamer | is that a package type question? |
| 23:08.10 | streuner | heh |
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| 23:08.15 | wollie | jet: yes |
| 23:08.23 | azeem | wollie: one is binary-independent the other is any-binary |
| 23:08.45 | jetscreamer | then some packages are for arm, some i386, some other... and some fit all |
| 23:09.00 | wollie | all is like text stuff and multimedia files, doc and so on |
| 23:09.48 | wollie | but "any"? |
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| 23:10.36 | azeem | wollie: the other is any-binary |
| 23:10.44 | azeem | wollie: why do you need to know? |
| 23:11.04 | JordiGH | Huh? How does Rhythmbox, a Gnome app, know how to use the KDE system tray? |
| 23:11.21 | JordiGH | DEY TOOK OUR JOBS! |
| 23:11.27 | azeem | JordiGH: it's a cross-desktop tray |
| 23:11.37 | jetscreamer | kmix uses the icewm tray |
| 23:11.39 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 23:11.44 | luke-jr_work | Is the netfilter ROUTE target available for Debian? |
| 23:11.53 | jetscreamer | and there does seem to be two trays in icewm |
| 23:11.55 | azeem | that's why network-manager uses the systray, so Novell could ship it for both KDE and GNOME |
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| 23:12.10 | wollie | i read sth like "this is due to having some packages be arch all and some arch any" |
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| 23:12.33 | wollie | ... it's about some packages derived from one source package |
| 23:12.42 | wollie | clamav, to name it |
| 23:13.01 | azeem | wollie: so what is unclear? any is opposite to binary-independent |
| 23:13.07 | azeem | namely, binary-dependent |
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| 23:14.17 | wollie | so any is the unit of all architectures? |
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| 23:15.34 | mtgh | I want to map yyy.domain.org to /opt/yyy/public_html and ppp.domain.org to /opt/ppp/public_html (Like one would do with users, but yyy and ppp and all others are not users on the system) Is there an easy way to do this in apache? |
| 23:15.38 | wollie | or: any is an arbitrary element of all architectures, so it's never explicitely used in any binary package |
| 23:16.21 | diskus | mtgh: virtual hosts as far as I know, and maybe rewrite |
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| 23:16.29 | azeem | wollie: any in a source package maps to the respective architure in binary packages |
| 23:16.37 | azeem | architecture* |
| 23:16.49 | wollie | azeem: yepp, now i got it |
| 23:16.50 | mtgh | diskus: yes its a virutal host, howver, I want to do it on the fly, so I don't have to setup each one (there are about 5000) |
| 23:16.54 | wollie | thx! |
| 23:17.19 | diskus | mtgh: read about rewrite |
| 23:17.27 | wollie | i missed the source/binary mapping |
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| 23:25.31 | Pupeno | what was the command to pick the alternatives in /etc/alternatives ? |
| 23:25.31 | dondelelcaro | Pupeno: update-alternatives --config |
| 23:25.35 | Pupeno | thanks. |
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| 23:27.03 | MrPig | anybody got this error on vsftpd? 500 OOPS: capset |
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| 23:29.55 | Caelum | where is chsh on solaris machines? |
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| 23:31.01 | sid | How can I see my arp cache on my Debian laptop? |
| 23:31.29 | Caelum | sid: arp -a |
| 23:31.50 | sid | hmm, it works |
| 23:31.55 | sid | heh, I thought I tried that |
| 23:31.58 | sid | thanks Caelum |
| 23:32.03 | Caelum | np |
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| 23:41.23 | Azar | hello honorables, I am having again an aptitude hiccup, it offers to remove my xserver-xfree86, APT-GET does not do that, how can I find if I have xorg installed? |
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| 23:43.04 | Azar | on /etc/X11/xserver there is a "SecurityPolicy" file that starts with: # $Xorg: SecurityPolicy,v 1.3 2000/08/17 19:47:56 cpqbld Exp $ |
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| 23:45.48 | Azar | ok so aptitude is broken, at least for my configuration |
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| 23:48.29 | ftp3 | hey, I am trying to copy some backup files into a dir, but it keeps prompting me to confirm each file, I am copying using cp -Rf .. how do I make it not prompt? |
| 23:49.38 | nvz | ftp3: confirm? you mean overwrite? |
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| 23:50.24 | ftp3 | nvz, yes |
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| 23:51.14 | nvz | ftp3: see -u or --backup maybe |
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