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| 00:06.59 | abrotman | !moo |
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| 00:08.12 | niles | since open office is free, does that mean the programmers wrote it out of the kindness of thier hearts ? |
| 00:09.04 | azeem | niles: no |
| 00:09.18 | azeem | it got freed by Sun after they took over Star Division |
| 00:09.32 | niles | ahh |
| 00:09.59 | niles | cuase thats a big project. |
| 00:10.03 | niles | just pondering |
| 00:10.04 | nemontemi | Hi folks. I have an unusual question: anyone has experience in choosing hardware for servers, in particular for a web server (tomcat AND apache) with a database server (postgresql)? Can inform me about pros e cons with big sealers like IBM and Dell? Also, suposing an amount of about U$ 4500, what could be a worth to buy? |
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| 00:12.22 | helfrez | nemontemi, depends on what kind of load you expect to be driving |
| 00:13.07 | helfrez | nemontemi, $4500 is a helluva lot of server for apache,tomcat, and postg unless you plan on running a small country |
| 00:13.23 | abrotman | really? |
| 00:13.38 | abrotman | if it is to include a tape drive ... gets a tight squeeze |
| 00:13.53 | Dewi | yeah, or a decent RAID controller |
| 00:13.57 | Dewi | they cost quite a lot |
| 00:14.12 | nemontemi | yes, would be nice a RAID controller, operating in RAID 1 |
| 00:14.15 | Dewi | then there's the battery backup... |
| 00:14.17 | pumpkin0 | nemontemi: what kind of uplink do you have, how much data do you serve and how CPU-heavy are the pages ? |
| 00:14.26 | helfrez | $4500 buys alot of server like i said depends on what hes driving |
| 00:14.31 | nemontemi | but no tape and no redundant power supply |
| 00:14.38 | abrotman | the IBM's usually have the ServeRaid 7e if SCSI ... IIRC anyways |
| 00:14.41 | helfrez | the simple fact that he asked if its nec to go with a big name vendor means its probably not nec |
| 00:15.38 | helfrez | again just your initial questions would lead me to believe you probably don't need to spend $4500 for a server |
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| 00:16.08 | helfrez | my first question was what kinda data/load are you expecting to drive |
| 00:16.38 | helfrez | are we talking a few thousand transactions or mission critical stuff with millions of transactions |
| 00:16.44 | diskus | and anyway there are cheaper and maybe better ego/brand free server providers |
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| 00:17.25 | helfrez | its liek askign whether you need to buy the premium Godiva chocolate or the hersheys |
| 00:17.31 | helfrez | just depends on the situation |
| 00:17.57 | helfrez | they are not the same in many ways, but they are both chocolate |
| 00:17.57 | diskus | only thing is that some people don't know what the hell is Godiva and hersheys |
| 00:18.27 | pumpkin0 | If itīs for internet-server ... you could always lease/loan a server in a datacenter. Less trouble all around. |
| 00:18.28 | helfrez | splitting hairs but ok |
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| 00:20.03 | helfrez | #debian always attracts some characters with comments |
| 00:20.49 | helfrez | nemontemi, most important bti of info is missing...and thats what you plan to run, and how mission critical + intensive it is |
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| 00:21.44 | nemontemi | helfrez: it's not critical, initially the load will not be intensive. actually, the CPU will mostly be ocious |
| 00:22.35 | nemontemi | but the demand would increase, this is not certain, since it's for a academic project in development |
| 00:22.48 | helfrez | nemontemi, if its not mission critical and doesnt really give the machine a serious workout i wouldnt spend $4500 on one box personally |
| 00:23.05 | helfrez | nemontemi, might also want to explore maybe getting 2x $2000 boxes instead |
| 00:23.19 | nemontemi | the total amount I said is too high because I am not buying directly in US, the costs here are in brazilian's Real |
| 00:23.44 | helfrez | then you could go with a load balancing act or a HA act when load picks up and project advances |
| 00:24.27 | nemontemi | what could be a balancing act or HA act? |
| 00:25.34 | helfrez | if you got 2 smaller servers, you could run a load balancing setup across the 2 machines...of use the second for high availability if ever needed |
| 00:26.40 | nemontemi | I think HA wouldn't be necessary |
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| 00:28.00 | helfrez | you cant go wrong with $4500 thats or sure, so if someone if offering then go for it...it will be more sevrer than you will probably need for a long time heheh |
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| 00:29.38 | helfrez | but if its truly not mission critical type stuff, you could probably save yourself alot of money, or but alot more server power for alot less from another vendor |
| 00:30.13 | helfrez | you may even want to look into a used server with warranty |
| 00:30.19 | nemontemi | the money is from research founds, so that's what we have to buy something to run one application in particular, but several peripheral services |
| 00:31.11 | evilbulgarian | hi, does anyone have or know where i can find a stress test for memcached |
| 00:31.22 | tuv | i have a busted debian root partition :(. /etc/init.d/rc2 is s-----S--t. what is the best way to fix it? |
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| 00:31.51 | nemontemi | but as it's maybe for a long time, and it's for a public (in social sense) purpose, the big sellers stamp would be nice. because of warraties and like |
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| 00:33.31 | abrotman | tuv: you shouldn't have /etc/init.d/rc2 |
| 00:33.33 | nemontemi | helfrez: what about the hardware configuration itself? I'm talking to spend that amount in something like a dual-core Xeon, 4mb L2 cache, 4GB RAM, 2 x 250GB Sata HD in RAID1 |
| 00:34.16 | helfrez | nemontemi, that kinda box would probably never need to be replaced, and what I will say is ibmserv is pretty fast |
| 00:34.37 | tuv | abrotman, sorry.. i meant etc/rc2.d in the broken partition |
| 00:35.22 | abrotman | you could ask #hardware |
| 00:35.42 | nemontemi | abrotman: sorry for inconvenience, but I didn't know where to ask that |
| 00:35.54 | tuv | abrotman, chroot to the parition returns: 'chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied'. could this be because the disk connected to a different arch. machine now? |
| 00:36.10 | nemontemi | but since there are a lot of Debian servers running out there, I thought could be a good place to talk |
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| 00:36.32 | tuv | abrotman, i want to recover my lost system files. can apt like reinstall all packages that are registered as installed to recover any missing files? |
| 00:36.40 | nemontemi | helfrez: that config I took from Dell, which is the preferred vendor for desktops in our research lab |
| 00:36.47 | sanmarcos | what does Oct 30 11:37:14 localhost kernel: [17183337.708000] Buffer I/O error on device sda2, logical block 29222234 mean? |
| 00:37.07 | abrotman | tuv: all fo them ? |
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| 00:37.19 | abrotman | sanmarcos: time to backup your data |
| 00:37.32 | nemontemi | helfrez: but my opinion is that Dell is good for desktops. For servers IBM and HP does better. Or am I wrong? |
| 00:37.33 | tuv | abrotman, well i'm not which files exactly got lost, but there lots of things in /lost+found |
| 00:37.42 | tuv | i'm not sure* |
| 00:37.42 | sanmarcos | abrotman: ? is it that bad? |
| 00:37.51 | abrotman | tuv: can you figure out what they are ? |
| 00:37.54 | helfrez | nemontemi, now if you already got dell support its def worth looking into...i built some intellistations for academic molecular work which were pretty expensive |
| 00:37.55 | abrotman | sanmarcos: does it look good ? |
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| 00:38.08 | sanmarcos | abrotman: but it is still working.. |
| 00:38.35 | abrotman | for now |
| 00:38.40 | helfrez | nemontemi, both shoudl give good academic discounts...and i would hold reservation on which is "better" IBM has the most history and experience in the business though |
| 00:38.49 | sanmarcos | abrotman: its an ipod, not much I can do |
| 00:39.07 | tuv | abrotman, according to 'file', many of them are 'broken symbolic link to `../init.d/<xyz>'' |
| 00:39.12 | dewaard | I need proftpd with the mod_sql for mysql, does Debian have a package for that? |
| 00:39.16 | abrotman | tuv: hehe .. cute |
| 00:39.26 | tuv | abrotman, you think so |
| 00:39.37 | abrotman | sanmarcos: or you could ask #kernel |
| 00:39.41 | nemontemi | helfrez: I honestly don't know "what is up" with the my research mentor and Dell. He just want that vendor and that's it. |
| 00:39.44 | helfrez | nemontemi, if you already have a contract with dell, i would go with dell...their poweredge server work great |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | tuv: you can use --reinstall .. or /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 00:39.46 | tuv | abrotman, i'm not sure what else is missing |
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| 00:39.52 | sanmarcos | abrotman: ok |
| 00:39.57 | nemontemi | helfrez: but there's no specific support or the like |
| 00:40.05 | abrotman | or you could ask #hardware |
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| 00:41.23 | nemontemi | helfrez: but before anything, thanks for the time to answering =) |
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| 00:46.26 | tuv | abrotman, looks like the disk is not bootable anymore. i cannot chroot to it (i think this is because it's for a different arch.) is there a solution for this? |
| 00:47.13 | abrotman | tuv: liveCD ... |
| 00:47.16 | abrotman | chroot |
| 00:47.21 | mentor | The Dell stuff that is actually designed for corporate or business is fairly good. |
| 00:47.29 | abrotman | lies! |
| 00:47.33 | mentor | The stuff that is built for SOHO/consumer is absolute crap. |
| 00:47.45 | tuv | abrotman, hmm.. no CD :( |
| 00:47.51 | abrotman | get one |
| 00:48.14 | tuv | abrotman, actually is there a liveCD for ARM? |
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| 00:48.24 | phpnuborn | is there a difference between a server and a deamon ? |
| 00:48.25 | abrotman | eh .. dunno |
| 00:48.40 | tuv | abrotman, i have an external cd drive, if a liveCD exists |
| 00:48.47 | mandingo | phpnuborn: you mean a service and a daemon? |
| 00:48.55 | mandingo | a server is hardware |
| 00:48.57 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 00:48.58 | dpkg | from memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 00:48.59 | mandingo | apache and mysql are services |
| 00:49.04 | tuv | abrotman, and if it can boot off a usb drive |
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| 00:49.12 | abrotman | tuv: any other restrictions ? |
| 00:49.18 | azeem | live.debian.net only has amd64 and i386 |
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| 00:49.25 | abrotman | i don't see for arm |
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| 00:49.28 | abrotman | maybe bf ? |
| 00:49.29 | phpnuborn | ok.. so one is hardware and one software.. ? |
| 00:49.45 | phpnuborn | apache isn't a server? |
| 00:49.58 | jmd | How do I mount one of those USB thumb drive things? |
| 00:50.05 | mandingo | apache is a service |
| 00:50.08 | mandingo | that runs on a server |
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| 00:50.19 | azeem | mandingo: it's a server in unix terminology |
| 00:50.35 | azeem | oh well |
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| 00:50.36 | mandingo | azeem: but is more poperly referenced as a service |
| 00:50.51 | mandingo | to keep people like phpnuborn from getting confused |
| 00:50.55 | azeem | phpnuborn: both terms can be used somewhat interchangebly |
| 00:51.09 | mandingo | which is true, as long as you understand the difference :) |
| 00:51.09 | jmd | mandingo: The software is a server. The action it performs is a service. |
| 00:51.30 | phpnuborn | you know what a vps or vds is? |
| 00:51.58 | phpnuborn | i got tired of the lack of control i got from regular shared host.. |
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| 00:52.07 | jmd | It's common misunderstanding that "server" means a piece of hardware. Whereas in fact it refers to the software. |
| 00:52.16 | CrippsFX | does anybody else here use openbox? |
| 00:52.22 | phpnuborn | so i got a virtual private server.. |
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| 00:52.28 | mandingo | ... |
| 00:52.29 | mandingo | :) |
| 00:52.30 | azeem | CrippsFX: please ask specific questions |
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| 00:52.43 | CrippsFX | azeem, sorry. I got the best of me :P |
| 00:52.44 | phpnuborn | debian was on of my distro choices.. |
| 00:52.51 | tuv | abrotman, long story short: it's an NSLU2 |
| 00:53.05 | tuv | abrotman, i'm trying something here. it boots without a disk |
| 00:53.07 | azeem | tuv: isn't there a d-i CD for it? |
| 00:53.07 | abrotman | eep! |
| 00:53.22 | phpnuborn | does debian come with a ftp daemon or ftp server software... ? |
| 00:53.31 | tuv | azeem, no CD. there is a d-i flash image but that requires a disk |
| 00:53.40 | mandingo | phpnuborn: yes, proftpd |
| 00:53.41 | azeem | phpnuborn: all kinds of server software is available |
| 00:53.46 | mandingo | by default |
| 00:53.53 | CrippsFX | I'm looking for a way to generate a menu for openbox, but I don't know what to use ... any of the choices I've googled were not included in any of the apt repos (main, contrib, non-free), and didn't work by using the conventional method . |
| 00:53.53 | mandingo | most distributions do |
| 00:54.00 | tuv | abrotman, i'm in as root without disk. will mount the disk and see what happens |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | damage!!!!! pain!!!!!!!!! |
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| 00:54.22 | CrippsFX | abrotman, lol. |
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| 00:54.37 | tuv | abrotman, no kidding |
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| 00:55.20 | dewaard | frankie: are you the maintainer of the proftpd-mysql package? where can I find the docs with information on how to get it working? |
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| 00:55.41 | CrippsFX | ...or at least a way to include the "Debian" menu into my openbox menu .... |
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| 00:56.27 | phpnuborn | anyone like vsftpd? |
| 00:56.39 | CHodapp | yes |
| 00:56.40 | CHodapp | I use it |
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| 01:00.39 | sanmarcos | abrotman: I need you to make a decision for me, I have a drive that is dying (not ready, seekerrors), I backuped most of the data, what should I do with the drive, throw it away or keep it until it dies? |
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| 01:02.13 | gouki | IMHO, you should keep the drive (without important files) until it dies |
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| 01:02.59 | abrotman | sanmarcos: melt it |
| 01:03.17 | abrotman | sanmarcos: try to use dban to kill the data on it |
| 01:03.23 | sanmarcos | abrotman: what brands of hd do your recommend? |
| 01:03.34 | abrotman | !dban |
| 01:03.34 | dpkg | i heard dban is http://dban.sf.net/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
| 01:03.38 | abrotman | sanmarcos: depends on the use |
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| 01:04.25 | sanmarcos | abrotman: storage, multimedia, big files, uncompressed mpeg2 |
| 01:04.36 | sanmarcos | abrotman: and desktop use also (but thats another hd) |
| 01:05.21 | abrotman | i have a theory about drives ... |
| 01:05.35 | abrotman | there are no bad manufacturers .. just bad families for a manuf |
| 01:06.01 | abrotman | such as .. perhaps all 80-100GB maxtor might be crap .. but all the 120-150 would be bulletproof ... |
| 01:06.04 | abrotman | but .. it's just a theory |
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| 01:07.42 | jetscreamer | maxtor, i have many of their paperweights |
| 01:07.54 | abrotman | right .. but i have many that won't die |
| 01:08.00 | sanmarcos | !maxtor |
| 01:08.01 | dpkg | It's dead, jim! |
| 01:08.04 | jmd | How do I mount a USB Mass storage key ? |
| 01:08.09 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 01:08.09 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 01:08.25 | sanmarcos | I never got the umask thing |
| 01:08.27 | sanmarcos | what is it with the 2 |
| 01:08.29 | abrotman | but i have a maxtor here from 1994 that just won't die |
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| 01:09.12 | jetscreamer | /dev/hda1/mnt/hda1vfatauto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
| 01:09.23 | jetscreamer | that's the original factoid |
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| 01:10.02 | jmd | abrotman: Was that bot call directed at me? |
| 01:10.21 | cobelloy | I would like to use the netinstall ppc disk to install base system and xfce desktop - is that possible? |
| 01:10.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:11.05 | cobelloy | on the first try I chose to install the desktop and it tried to dl more than 500meg of stuff! |
| 01:11.22 | cobelloy | and I couldnt stop it so I switched off at power |
| 01:11.30 | jetscreamer | cobelloy: always take the *'s off |
| 01:11.44 | jmd | abrotman: Well it doesn't help much. I know how to use /etc/fstab. I don't know the specifics of USB devices. |
| 01:12.15 | cobelloy | jetscreamer: what are the *'s |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 01:12.21 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 01:12.56 | cobelloy | after I rebooted when I did apt-get install xfce it said there was no such package |
| 01:13.09 | jetscreamer | it's called xfce4 iirc |
| 01:13.20 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search xfce |
| 01:13.44 | cobelloy | jetscreamer: you mean the *'s in the select ystems to install screen... |
| 01:13.51 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 01:13.54 | jmd | abrotman: Right thanks. Knowing what device to use was all that I needed. |
| 01:14.03 | abrotman | jmd: from dmesg .. that hsould tell you |
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| 01:14.04 | cobelloy | well, I have started the install over from scratch again now anyway |
| 01:14.08 | jetscreamer | even the basic or standard one draws in a bunch of stuff |
| 01:14.25 | jetscreamer | i just use a package manager to get what i want after the install is done |
| 01:14.28 | cobelloy | and I tried xfce4 aswell as xfce - both came back as negative |
| 01:14.43 | jetscreamer | it was 'probably' trying to use your cd |
| 01:14.45 | cobelloy | I think thats what Ill do this time |
| 01:14.47 | jmd | abrotman: Yes. That would have told me too. |
| 01:14.58 | cobelloy | I did tell it to use http during install |
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| 01:15.08 | jetscreamer | it has a tendency to ... nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list after it's all done and check |
| 01:15.42 | cobelloy | what is nano -w? does that erase the sources.list or something? |
| 01:15.45 | jetscreamer | xfce 'probably' isn't on the install cd |
| 01:15.49 | cobelloy | that would explain what happened |
| 01:15.51 | jetscreamer | text editor |
| 01:16.12 | cobelloy | i know nano is editor, but what is -w ? |
| 01:16.21 | jetscreamer | it turns off line wrapping |
| 01:16.32 | cobelloy | and nothing is on the install cd, it is the netinstall cd |
| 01:16.46 | jetscreamer | it still leaves a source for the cd |
| 01:17.03 | jetscreamer | sometimes 2 |
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| 01:18.00 | cobelloy | well, it was all messed up anyway, apt-get didnt seem to be able to get anything, none of the dependancies for kde or gnome, and no other wm's were there |
| 01:18.12 | cobelloy | hopefully I will get it right this time |
| 01:18.47 | cobelloy | I had ubuntu on the comp but it wouldnt shut down properly - is debian likely to have the same problem? |
| 01:18.52 | cobelloy | it is an old blue imac |
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| 01:19.02 | cobelloy | g3 350 |
| 01:19.26 | cobelloy | ubuntu 5.04 didnt have the problem |
| 01:19.27 | azeem | cobelloy: hard to say |
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| 01:20.03 | cobelloy | how similar is the latest ubuntu to the latest debian - there not so close anymore are they? |
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| 01:20.09 | brendonjt | hi there all i have part of a script that i would like someone to look at please |
| 01:20.15 | cobelloy | I wonder if they both use the same kernel |
| 01:20.26 | cobelloy | I know slackintosh couldnt run the video properly |
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| 01:20.39 | cobelloy | must have been a different kernel |
| 01:20.48 | jetscreamer | brendonjt: #bash or #perl;might be better for that |
| 01:21.12 | jetscreamer | !tell brendonjt -about paste |
| 01:21.36 | jetscreamer | but feel free to ask in here also |
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| 01:22.03 | brendonjt | jetscreamer, ok but what it is , i am trying to modify it cos it is looks for a file firefox.ubuntu but as I am not using ubuntu but debian testing |
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| 01:23.42 | abrotman | !paster |
| 01:23.42 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 01:24.57 | brendonjt | here is the paste url http://channels.debian.net/paste/4297 |
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| 01:29.23 | MolePrince | Hello. How might one set up the console to move between tty's via the windows keys please? This is standard under gentoo I believe, but I haven't been able to figure out how to set it up with debian. |
| 01:29.44 | MolePrince | This is on a system without X or any GUI btw. |
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| 01:30.37 | abrotman | brendonjt: why are you doing that ? |
| 01:31.33 | brendonjt | to replace firefox 1.5 with version 2.0 |
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| 01:34.51 | DeFender1031 | hi i'm running etch and have apache installed, but when i try to access a php file it asks me what i want to open it with. |
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| 01:35.50 | abrotman | brendonjt: then ask on irc.mozilla.org |
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| 01:35.59 | abrotman | DeFender1031: apache1 or 2 ? |
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| 01:36.49 | DeFender1031 | abrotman, actually i just checked, it works in firefox but not in konqueror |
| 01:37.08 | DeFender1031 | weird |
| 01:37.16 | abrotman | clear FF cache .. restart browser .. try again |
| 01:37.37 | DeFender1031 | why? |
| 01:37.41 | DeFender1031 | it works in FF |
| 01:37.50 | DeFender1031 | its a konqueror issue |
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| 01:40.09 | abrotman | then do that in konq |
| 01:40.12 | abrotman | clear cache .. restart browser |
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| 01:42.13 | chemaja | has anyone successfully connected their freenx client to the freenx server described in http://wiki.debian.org/freenx ? I'm getting connection timeout, even though it passes the nx and user auth. It seems to receive SIGCHLD (so nxserver or something is probably dying) but I haven't yet figured out why |
| 01:44.01 | MolePrince | How might one set up the console to move between tty's via the windows keys on a system without X or a GUI please? This is standard under some other distros I believe, but I haven't been able to figure out how to set it up with debian. |
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| 01:44.25 | abrotman | use alt-left or alt-right ? |
| 01:44.34 | MolePrince | ! |
| 01:44.43 | MolePrince | Amazing |
| 01:44.49 | abrotman | no ? |
| 01:44.59 | chemaja | abrotman: i think he specifically wants to bind Super_L to ALT+LEFT and Super_R to ALT+RIGHT |
| 01:45.00 | MolePrince | abrotman: That works brilliantly. I had no idea.. |
| 01:45.04 | chemaja | or not |
| 01:45.13 | MolePrince | chemaja: Yes, but this works just as well :) |
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| 01:45.17 | abrotman | chemaja: i think he just wants it to work :) |
| 01:45.22 | chemaja | MolePrince: indeed |
| 01:45.24 | abrotman | MolePrince: also .. ctrl-alt-f# |
| 01:45.32 | chemaja | abrotman: my bad... i thought he was trying to be uber productive |
| 01:45.44 | MolePrince | Is there a way to Last console used. Eg if I want to toggle back and forth between two non-consecutive tty? |
| 01:45.55 | abrotman | not that i'm aware |
| 01:45.59 | chemaja | well maybe he is :) |
| 01:46.43 | MolePrince | abrotman: Thank you, though! This'll make my life easier than ctrl-alt-f'ing all the time ;) |
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| 01:46.53 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:47.27 | MolePrince | While I'm here, could you suggest a really basic backup solution? I'll be starting a novel in a couple days, and would like some sort of versioning/redundancy, doesn't have to be a huge suite. |
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| 01:55.09 | abrotman | MolePrince: versioning ? |
| 01:55.33 | odla | moo? |
| 01:55.48 | MolePrince | abrotman: Eg revision history, so if I add/edit sommat on day 3, it'd hold onto a copy of day 2 for instance. |
| 01:56.16 | abrotman | rcs should be sufficient .. though most featured editors have revision history |
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| 01:56.55 | MolePrince | abrotman: What would you suggest as a featured editor? I was planning on using nano, as I don't have any desktops installed. |
| 01:57.06 | abrotman | oh .. then no idea .. use rcs :) |
| 01:57.22 | abrotman | i was thinking like OO or abiword or kwrite or whatever it is |
| 01:57.58 | MolePrince | abrotman: Thanks, I'll look into that. |
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| 01:58.05 | abrotman | i see abiword has revisions |
| 01:58.10 | abrotman | though i've never used them |
| 01:59.18 | litage | initially, the onboard NIC in one of my boxes was eth0. when i added a PCI NIC to the box, the onboard NIC became eth1 and the PCI NIC became eth0. why the onboard change to eth1? |
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| 02:01.46 | abrotman | litage: pci scan |
| 02:01.51 | litage | ah |
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| 02:03.49 | abrotman | litage: you can "fix" that |
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| 02:04.55 | litage | abrotman: in modprobe.conf? |
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| 02:05.30 | abrotman | i did mine in /etc/modutils/actions |
| 02:05.37 | abrotman | pre-install tg3 modprobe orinoco-pci |
| 02:05.39 | Kalist00 | is there an app that binds with apache to let me upload download personal files from work? |
| 02:05.50 | abrotman | webdav ? |
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| 02:08.37 | litage | abrotman: tg3? |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | that's mine .. |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | basically .. before you install the tg3 module . install the other one |
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| 02:09.40 | litage | ah |
| 02:09.58 | abrotman | that keeps my NICs in order .. or at least i think it does .. :) |
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| 02:12.40 | mike_ | Networking question for somebody |
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| 02:13.24 | abrotman | just ask |
| 02:14.16 | magyar | is ethtool borke in sarge? |
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| 02:16.26 | tobias__ | how does one set the default network interface used for outbound connections? |
| 02:16.37 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 02:16.38 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 02:18.27 | tobias__ | abrotman: i have multiple interfaces on the public internet |
| 02:18.45 | tobias__ | abrotman: and i am trying to specify which of those is used by default |
| 02:19.03 | nvz | you gotta love the apple commercials.. almost makes me want to buy a mac. |
| 02:19.27 | nvz | I cant help but laugh at their new advertising campaign with the mac and pc guys |
| 02:19.30 | tobias__ | right now it is using the wrong one, so when postfix tries to send mail, it advertises a domain that does not resolve to the IP it is connecting from |
| 02:19.41 | abrotman | tobias__: how many gateways do you have defined ? |
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| 02:20.15 | tobias__ | abrotman: there is one default |
| 02:20.21 | tobias__ | abrotman: both IPs are on the same subnet |
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| 02:21.30 | tkup | hello what does the flag 'T' stands for in a directory? I got drw------T. I didn't find anything in man chmod nor info coreutils man? |
| 02:22.28 | abrotman | sticky |
| 02:22.32 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 02:22.32 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod |
| 02:23.33 | tkup | abrotman, isn't sticky 't' and not 'T' |
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| 02:23.48 | tkup | abrotman, I take that back |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:24.08 | tkup | I didn't know the sticky bit was case insensitive |
| 02:24.13 | tkup | confusing |
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| 02:26.07 | tkup | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:26.11 | tobias | hm.. my situation can't be that rare, but most of what i find is for multiple, independent outbound connections |
| 02:26.49 | tobias | perhaps i need to configure this at the application level? |
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| 02:27.17 | abrotman | tobias: you could just add a default gateway after the system is up |
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| 02:27.57 | k00l | what would be a good front-end package for sqlite? |
| 02:28.01 | tobias | smtp_bind_address maybe that is it! |
| 02:28.10 | tobias | abrotman: what would that do? |
| 02:28.26 | tobias | abrotman: there is only one gateway to my subnet, and i am only on one subnet |
| 02:28.28 | abrotman | route default gateway ? |
| 02:28.38 | abrotman | but multiple IPs ? |
| 02:28.41 | tobias | yes |
| 02:28.50 | tobias | for https virtual hosts |
| 02:29.15 | tobias | since they can't be name based |
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| 02:31.46 | htaccess | where can i find the documentation for howto upgrade a box from sarge to etch? |
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| 02:36.08 | dondelelcaro | htaccess: it'll be published in the release notes; you can also just /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 02:37.00 | htaccess | thanks |
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| 02:39.07 | k-man_ | how does one choose a colour laser printer that is economical to run? (or should i say not to expensive to run) |
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| 02:41.05 | nvz | my laser printer was b/w and cost $175USD per cartridge.. but the good thing was it could print like 80,000 pages on that.. and then you can recycle the toner |
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| 02:41.42 | nvz | you are lucky to get 80 pages out of most inkjets these days for like $35 a cartridge |
| 02:42.07 | nvz | so the way I see it for the quality, speed..etc if you do a lot of printing you are saving money going laser anyhow |
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| 02:42.33 | sid | http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1234/ooowriterhelpie9.png ; anyone know how to get rid of those grey lines in openoffice.org writer? I can't backspace them, I can't higlight from the far left and hit the delete key. I'm not sure how else to get rid of them. |
| 02:42.37 | sid | They're creating a third page that I don't want/need.(a blank page) How to get rid of those grey lines from the imageshack picture/url |
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| 02:47.20 | nvz | k-man_: this is recommended and said to work well with free drivers on linuxprinting.org http://konica-minolta-printer.printerwarehouse.com/product_19286_detailed.htm |
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| 02:48.50 | nvz | k-man_: gonna run you about $425USD and the Black toner is like $70USD and the color are like $95USD a piece |
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| 02:49.20 | nvz | so you are looking at about $365USD for 4 toner cartridges |
| 02:49.35 | k-man_ | nvz, ah, thanks |
| 02:49.51 | k-man_ | but you can change one colour at a time? |
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| 02:50.19 | nvz | k-man_: yeah they are seperate and looks like you can save more than 50% refilling them |
| 02:50.34 | k-man_ | ooh |
| 02:50.36 | nvz | k-man_: and generally lasers waste toner that can be reused anyhow |
| 02:50.37 | k-man_ | you can refill them? |
| 02:50.40 | Abeel | hi |
| 02:50.42 | k-man_ | really? |
| 02:50.45 | nvz | k-man_: I am seeing refill kits for like $40 or less |
| 02:50.45 | CrippsFX | how would I go about saving an openbox session? I'm running kdm. |
| 02:50.47 | k-man_ | interesing |
| 02:50.54 | k-man_ | sounds messy |
| 02:51.01 | sid | CrippsFX: /join #openbox |
| 02:51.26 | nvz | k-man_: when lasers print they scribe a drum with a laser then hurl toner at the drum.. the part hit by the laser the toner sticks, the rest falls off and goes into a seperate bin in the cartridge |
| 02:51.30 | CrippsFX | sid, /j ##unavailable |
| 02:51.39 | k-man_ | oh, i see |
| 02:51.44 | nvz | k-man_: this is why you can get money for recycling them or just take the shit out and put it back in the other bin yourself |
| 02:51.55 | k-man_ | oh |
| 02:51.56 | k-man_ | ik |
| 02:51.57 | k-man_ | ok |
| 02:52.06 | Abeel | hi, i cant start the java virtual machine.. You need to set both JAVA_HOME and PLUGIN_HOME |
| 02:52.09 | nvz | k-man_: toner sales for the Minolta Magicolor 2430DL http://www.meritline.com/minolta-magicolor-2430dl-printer.html |
| 02:52.28 | k-man_ | thanks nvz |
| 02:52.42 | nvz | k-man_: complete toner refill kit for like less than $150 |
| 02:52.50 | nvz | for all four colors |
| 02:52.57 | k-man_ | cool |
| 02:52.58 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 02:53.12 | k-man_ | nvz, what about an hp colour laser? |
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| 02:53.55 | Abeel | ? |
| 02:54.47 | nvz | k-man_: i've only owned one laser and it was an HP Laserjet 4si |
| 02:55.11 | k-man_ | nvz, did you like it? i have 3 x hp4050N and they are amazing imho |
| 02:55.15 | k-man_ | they rock |
| 02:55.24 | nvz | k-man_: it was a good printer.. I think if you are using a linux or other FOSS print server the most important thing is how well it works with your software |
| 02:55.34 | nvz | k-man_: 2nd thing is cost of ownership |
| 02:55.35 | k-man_ | yeah |
| 02:55.40 | k-man_ | true |
| 02:55.52 | k-man_ | its mainly going to be used by windows users, but also some linux |
| 02:56.03 | nvz | k-man_: I am just saying that linuxprinting.org recommended the Magicolor 2430DL because it works well with free drivers |
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| 02:57.18 | nvz | k-man_: I loved my Laserjet, but it was broken and jamed from time to time.. one of the transfer roller clips was broken |
| 02:57.20 | k-man_ | nvz, ok, thanks |
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| 02:57.49 | k-man_ | nvz, i have never had a problem with my hp4050s except for when users put recycled paper through with a staple in it |
| 02:57.57 | k-man_ | and some of the rollers wearing out |
| 02:58.06 | k-man_ | sorry, not rollers, the pickup pads |
| 02:58.11 | k-man_ | wich are wearable parts |
| 02:58.25 | k-man_ | i mean, the printers are designed to do like 200k prints / month |
| 02:58.29 | k-man_ | thats a lot of prints |
| 02:58.32 | nvz | k-man_: worked great with cups and network printing though.. duplex printing, two input and two output trays.. and printed really fast and I got it used for free from a business who didnt want to pay to repair it, and I used it for like 2-3 years and never had to buy toner for it |
| 02:58.49 | k-man_ | thats great |
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| 03:00.25 | CrippsFX | alright ... I'm going to bed .... |
| 03:03.49 | Abeel | hi, i cant start the java virtual machine.. You need to set both JAVA_HOME and PLUGIN_HOME |
| 03:04.49 | Abeel | can you help me? |
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| 03:16.01 | htaccess | whats the procedure for installing a new kernel on an etch box? I have 2.6.8-3-386 and a pentium 4 2.6 GHZ so i assume linux-image-686 would be a good fit, do i just 'apt-get install linux-image-686' ? |
| 03:16.10 | odla | htaccess: yup |
| 03:16.35 | htaccess | what about linux-headers? |
| 03:16.35 | abrotman | linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 03:16.45 | abrotman | apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 03:16.58 | htaccess | do i need them aswell? |
| 03:17.35 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.37 | abrotman | you tell us |
| 03:17.51 | odla | frozen bubble |
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| 03:22.24 | cr3 | if I try to set the ssh CompressionLevel to 9 in my ~/.ssh/config, the -vvv option to ssh says: debug1: Enabling compression at level 6. |
| 03:22.52 | cr3 | so, I tried setting the CompressionLevel to 9 in /etc/ssh/ssh_config, still same result |
| 03:23.07 | cr3 | so, I tried setting the option in the command line with -o 'CompressionLevel=9', still same result |
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| 03:25.32 | MrKeuner | hi, is there an environment variable to be set in order for dpkg-buildpackage to use jam instead of make for a particular project? |
| 03:27.12 | thechris | I have an install question. I would like to go back to "Partion Disks", but pressing "Enter" on that option does nothing. I tried running the option above it in hopes it would move down the line, but it doesn't |
| 03:29.07 | abrotman | you could probably do it manually in the seocnd console |
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| 03:29.31 | thechris | ok, i can't even force an umount of my devices |
| 03:29.39 | thechris | reboot time i guess |
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| 03:33.46 | dondelelcaro | adam79: any good fixed font will do it all |
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| 03:42.03 | EnsignRedshirt | Have there been any attempts make apt and some subset of the debian repository avaiable in Mac OS X? |
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| 03:42.33 | Guerin | EnsignRedshirt: why awould you ask us? |
| 03:42.44 | Guerin | EnsignRedshirt: ask the mactards |
| 03:43.02 | EnsignRedshirt | Because of all the apt experts that are sure to be here. |
| 03:43.12 | Wyzard | EnsignRedshirt: I think that's what "fink" was, but I've heard that it's not maintained anymore |
| 03:43.22 | Wyzard | EnsignRedshirt: but I don't know anything about it firsthand |
| 03:43.28 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: you're probably better off just installing Debian on that hardware... |
| 03:43.43 | technology | ä― äŧŽé―æŊäļå―äššå |
| 03:43.50 | EnsignRedshirt | dondelelcaro: Probably :) |
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| 03:45.01 | Guerin | EnsignRedshirt: apt isn't hard to implement, the hard thing would be rebuilding all the backages to work in OSX |
| 03:45.05 | Guerin | err, packages |
| 03:45.32 | EnsignRedshirt | Guerin: Right. |
| 03:45.40 | technology | äššäŧŽįčąčŊåĪŠåĨ―äš |
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| 03:45.52 | Guerin | technology: unicode is cool, but this is an english channel |
| 03:46.31 | technology | debianįäļæéĒéåĻåŠå |
| 03:46.35 | technology | įįæåĨ―įīŊ |
| 03:46.50 | Guerin | !zh |
| 03:46.50 | dpkg | it has been said that zh is see cn |
| 03:46.53 | Guerin | !cn |
| 03:46.54 | dpkg | i guess cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE čŋæļĄæåžå§ïžčŊĶæčŊ·éčŊŧ |
| 03:47.05 | technology | č°Ēč°Ēææūæūį |
| 03:47.13 | dondelelcaro | technology: stop that, please. |
| 03:47.15 | technology | čŪšåäļæēĄåäļæčŋæŊčąæ |
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| 03:47.29 | technology | ææšäžäžæĨčŋéį |
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| 03:47.49 | jojogohome | technology: I'm chinese |
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| 03:49.00 | Guerin | jojogohome: can you write "For help in Chinese, please join #debian-zh" ? |
| 03:49.09 | Guerin | jojogohome: in chinese, clearly |
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| 03:49.29 | jojogohome | ok |
| 03:49.31 | epsilon | I have a large log file (~100MB), but many lines are repeated several hundred times in row. Is there any way to reduce these duplicate lines to one line (with number of repeats)? |
| 03:49.50 | jojogohome | čŊ·å å
Ĩ#debian-zh |
| 03:50.06 | Guerin | dpkg, cn is also čŊ·å å
Ĩ#debian-zh |
| 03:50.06 | dpkg | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, Guerin |
| 03:50.13 | EnsignRedshirt | epsilon: Take a look at the command uniq |
| 03:50.14 | Guerin | bah, stupid blootbot |
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| 03:52.08 | cobelloy | if i used the net install cd and then did apt-get install xfce4 can i assume I now have a complete desktop - or will I still need to install some other stuff |
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| 03:52.42 | Guerin | cobelloy: you need to install x-window-system-core also |
| 03:53.01 | Guerin | cobelloy: and you might want some other bits and pieces, like maybe a browser or such |
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| 03:57.52 | psychonate | Hmm, most of my XMMS skins don't work anymore. Something must've changed in the recent version(s) |
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| 03:59.10 | zinx | phychonate: your distro probably f'd something up, that or you no longer have unzip |
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| 04:00.11 | psychonate | zinx, well, a small few of them work; and almost all of them work somewhat--part of the skin appears |
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| 04:02.30 | cobelloy | Guerin: so x-window core isnt a dependancy for xfce? |
| 04:02.55 | cobelloy | does xfce automatically install stuff like, thunar and a terminal too? |
| 04:03.04 | cobelloy | i suppose I could just try it couldnt I |
| 04:03.13 | Guerin | cobelloy: not a dep, because it can run on a remote x server |
| 04:03.32 | Guerin | cobelloy: it does have a terminal, but i have no clue what a thunar might be |
| 04:04.08 | cobelloy | OK, so if I type xwin or startx and both return an error - I could assume I need x window core too then? |
| 04:04.18 | cobelloy | and thunar is a pretty file manager for xfce |
| 04:04.22 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:04.31 | Guerin | they have a decent filemanager now? |
| 04:04.37 | cobelloy | oh yes |
| 04:04.39 | psychonate | eh, odd. Now none of them works. |
| 04:04.41 | Guerin | xffm was always utterly shit |
| 04:04.43 | cobelloy | very nice file manager |
| 04:04.48 | cobelloy | but I still prefer rox |
| 04:04.54 | Guerin | oh, god |
| 04:04.59 | cobelloy | yes, xffm is still utterly shit |
| 04:05.04 | Guerin | rox does exactly nothing I need of it |
| 04:05.37 | cobelloy | rox is good because it can do the pinboard thing - so you get desktop icons in wm's like xfce, ice, fluxbox etc |
| 04:05.50 | cobelloy | you can still use thunar as file manager if you prefer |
| 04:06.03 | cobelloy | i use it sometimes since it is a nice two pane style |
| 04:06.03 | psychonate | Indeed, I like rox with IceWM |
| 04:06.08 | cobelloy | a bit like nautilus |
| 04:06.18 | Guerin | wtf, what is with this 'let's remove the address bar from everything so you can't see where in the filesystem you are' fetish? |
| 04:06.29 | Guerin | it's almost enough to drive one to use konqueror |
| 04:06.31 | cobelloy | but anyway - if startx and xwin do nothing, I need x window core then? |
| 04:06.38 | Guerin | cobelloy: yes. |
| 04:06.45 | cobelloy | Guerin: yes that is annoying |
| 04:07.25 | cobelloy | but with nautilus and thunar at least now you get a line of buttons with the names of the dirs above you so you can click one of them to go back |
| 04:07.35 | compudaze | latest daily build of debian installer didn't install hardly anything |
| 04:07.37 | Guerin | that's effectively what the problem with UIs nowadays ... they try to remove all language |
| 04:07.42 | compudaze | barely a command line system |
| 04:07.48 | compudaze | no options to install anything else |
| 04:07.48 | thechris | Does anyone know how to get Debian Etch to work with a Sil3114 card? I can detect the attached drives and partition them. but the drives do not work other then that and the install fails |
| 04:07.48 | cobelloy | Guerin: when ubuntu became a popular OS |
| 04:07.51 | Guerin | cobelloy: it's a daily. |
| 04:08.03 | Guerin | cobelloy: hell no, been happening since way before then |
| 04:08.09 | Guerin | compudaze: it's a daily. |
| 04:08.23 | psychonate | well, shit, I was out of space |
| 04:08.24 | compudaze | they dont do tasks with the dailys? |
| 04:08.33 | cobelloy | ok, but what I mean is that ubuntu did a lot to boost the popularity og gnome/nautilus |
| 04:08.40 | Guerin | compudaze: dailies may or may not work. It's debian roulette. |
| 04:08.43 | psychonate | goddamn puny harddrives |
| 04:08.49 | compudaze | hehe |
| 04:08.52 | cobelloy | and the nautilas file manager is much more pretty to konquerors functional |
| 04:08.57 | Kalist00 | anyone know what the package that contains: graphical libraries GD is called? |
| 04:09.04 | Kalist00 | i cant find it |
| 04:09.21 | Guerin | !tell Kalist00 about search |
| 04:09.43 | Guerin | Kalist00: if it's for building something, it will start with lib, end in -dev and probably have gd in the middle |
| 04:09.43 | Kalist00 | !tell Guerin i have done that... im not retarded |
| 04:09.55 | Guerin | Kalist00: ALL of it, really? |
| 04:10.11 | EnsignRedshirt | Kalist00: libgd-* |
| 04:10.16 | EnsignRedshirt | Kalist00: ? |
| 04:10.33 | Guerin | EnsignRedshirt: too obvious, must be a trap. |
| 04:10.43 | compudaze | libgd2-xpm and libgd2-xpm-dev |
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| 04:10.49 | Kalist00 | yea libgd is correct thanks |
| 04:10.49 | cobelloy | Guerin: there is a package called x-window-system, and another called x-window-system-core |
| 04:10.57 | cobelloy | do I definately want core? |
| 04:10.58 | Guerin | cobelloy: -core is minimal |
| 04:11.30 | cobelloy | so which should I chose, for a system with low resources? |
| 04:11.33 | compudaze | both in etch refer to xorg |
| 04:11.36 | cobelloy | core I supposae |
| 04:11.48 | compudaze | just install xorg |
| 04:11.53 | cobelloy | what else does the other one do that core doesnt do? |
| 04:11.56 | compudaze | unless your sarge sorry |
| 04:12.14 | cobelloy | xorg - thats an alternative to x-window, or part of it? |
| 04:13.26 | EnsignRedshirt | cobelloy: in stable, x-window-system depends on x-window-system-core, so you will get -core either way. |
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| 04:13.43 | thechris | sil3114 users here? |
| 04:14.26 | EnsignRedshirt | cobelloy: http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/x-window-system |
| 04:14.44 | cobelloy | EnsignRedshirt: OK, so what should I apt-get install, x window system, x window system core or xorg? |
| 04:15.11 | compudaze | cobelloy: what is your goal? |
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| 04:16.13 | keram | my system clock is broken |
| 04:16.16 | keram | is there a way to fix it? |
| 04:16.46 | keram | with the last aptitude upgrade it went 7 hours fast |
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| 04:17.24 | EnsignRedshirt | cobelloy: Which version of debian have you (or will you) install? |
| 04:17.47 | compudaze | keram: set it with the date command |
| 04:17.48 | cobelloy | compudaze: I have a g3 imac with 256meg, and I want it to play videos, Ive just replaced ubuntu (with xfce/rox) because it didnt shut down right, and some videos were a bit choppy |
| 04:18.07 | cobelloy | EnsignRedshirt: I dl the most recent ppc net install iso yesterday |
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| 04:20.24 | cobelloy | im pretty sure ubuntu was using xorg, because I had to edit xorg.conf |
| 04:20.46 | cobelloy | is xorg not a part of x-window-system? |
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| 04:21.36 | EnsignRedshirt | cobelloy: Not in debian stable. It uses xfree86. |
| 04:21.47 | cobelloy | oooohhhh |
| 04:21.57 | cobelloy | i didnt know that was still around |
| 04:22.05 | compudaze | debian is slow |
| 04:22.11 | compudaze | etch has xorg |
| 04:22.16 | cobelloy | so if I want to use xorg I can do apt-get install xorg ? |
| 04:22.28 | compudaze | use the beta3 debian installer to install etch |
| 04:22.31 | cobelloy | hmmm - maybe I want xfree then? |
| 04:22.31 | thechris | isn't this in /topic? |
| 04:22.37 | compudaze | then u can use xorg |
| 04:22.56 | compudaze | etch is scheduled to be stable in december |
| 04:23.25 | cobelloy | whats the difference between xfree and xorg |
| 04:23.37 | cobelloy | last time I used xorg was years ago and it was really crap |
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| 04:23.49 | compudaze | not exactly sure, xorg seems faster for me |
| 04:23.52 | Guerin | xfree is a relic, xorg is under development |
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| 04:24.23 | cobelloy | so I could just try xorg, and then if thats no good, change to xfree? |
| 04:24.23 | Guerin | xorg was originally forked from xfree 4.2-rc2 because the author changed the license |
| 04:24.30 | Piet | i'm debootstrapping a system. where do i get 'ar'? |
| 04:24.40 | cobelloy | yes - i thought it was a branch of xfree |
| 04:24.44 | Guerin | cobelloy: if you install and run sarge, you'll be running xfree; if not, it'll be xorg |
| 04:25.02 | cobelloy | Guerin: i have installed from the netinstall cd |
| 04:25.08 | Guerin | Piet: probably need to build it |
| 04:25.13 | cobelloy | id doesnt include desktop interface |
| 04:25.13 | Guerin | cobelloy: which? |
| 04:25.21 | Guerin | cobelloy: nothing to do with anything |
| 04:25.27 | Rusty1 | cobelloy: there is a #debianppc channel, maybe help there |
| 04:25.42 | cobelloy | oh, ok - ill check in there too |
| 04:25.52 | Piet | Guerin: it's difficult to find anything about it on a search engine becasue the search term is so short. can you point me to a location for this purpose? |
| 04:26.18 | thechris | will etch stable use kernel 2.6.16 when it is released? |
| 04:26.24 | compudaze | cobelloy: so you've already installed? |
| 04:26.31 | Guerin | !wayttd Piet |
| 04:26.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Piet? |
| 04:26.33 | compudaze | current kernel was 2.6.17 i thought |
| 04:26.34 | cobelloy | yep |
| 04:26.38 | compudaze | in etch |
| 04:26.49 | compudaze | which kernel version do you have cobelloy? |
| 04:27.11 | cobelloy | compudaze: i dont know, how do i find out? |
| 04:27.15 | compudaze | uname -r |
| 04:27.43 | thechris | compudaze: wait, current etch kernel is 2.6.17. i may need to get a new boot CD. i can't get sil3114 to work and i'm thinking its a kernel issue |
| 04:27.54 | Piet | Guerin: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html |
| 04:28.02 | Piet | i'm following this how-to |
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| 04:28.12 | Piet | i'm on a minimal rescue system running in RAM |
| 04:28.23 | cobelloy | 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 04:28.30 | Piet | my goal is to install debian on this system on encrypted partitions |
| 04:28.35 | Guerin | and the livecd has no ar? |
| 04:28.36 | compudaze | thechris: the dialy build i used today had 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 04:28.46 | Guerin | compudaze: you're running sarge |
| 04:28.50 | Guerin | cobelloy: |
| 04:29.02 | Piet | Guerin: it's not a live-cd but a network booted system. but yes, it does not have ar |
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| 04:29.07 | thechris | hmm. i might look into that then. its a lot faster then going the gentoo route just to get things to work. |
| 04:29.10 | compudaze | cobelloy: do you want xfce again?? |
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| 04:29.33 | nvz | I cant imagine installing to encrypted partitions.. that serves virtually no benefit, and just makes your lif difficult |
| 04:29.43 | cobelloy | compudaze: what do you mean again, I want to set it up the same as it was with ubuntu |
| 04:29.51 | cobelloy | with same wm, yes |
| 04:29.52 | EnsignRedshirt | cobelloy: You already have xfce installed? |
| 04:30.05 | compudaze | then you're already running X |
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| 04:30.07 | compudaze | ?? |
| 04:30.24 | Piet | nvz: i can't think of another way to have / easily. |
| 04:30.26 | Guerin | Piet: mm. the problem being you'd need to install some other stuff to build ar, etc. |
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| 04:30.48 | mike_ | anybody know how to get codecs for mp3 playback? |
| 04:30.52 | Guerin | Piet: suggest installing conventionally on a minimal (1G) partition which you can later use for swap, or nothing. |
| 04:30.57 | mike_ | I have a 64 bit system tho |
| 04:30.57 | compudaze | mike_ which player? |
| 04:31.00 | nvz | Piet: o.o what? |
| 04:31.02 | mike_ | totem |
| 04:31.02 | Guerin | Piet: i don't know how to do what you're trying to do |
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| 04:31.16 | compudaze | totem-xine is default on debian, correct? |
| 04:31.19 | mike_ | totem plays mp3 across a network |
| 04:31.24 | mike_ | yes |
| 04:31.26 | Guerin | compudaze: there is no default |
| 04:31.33 | seb- | how/where make linux use DIFFERENT wifi driver for eth0? |
| 04:31.36 | ji1 | Is it |
| 04:31.37 | Guerin | mike_: mp3 playback exists in debian by default |
| 04:31.46 | cobelloy | oh, I have installed xfce but it doesnt run, guerin said that x window system core is needed |
| 04:31.48 | EnsignRedshirt | cobelloy: You might as well go for x-window-system, and see how it works. |
| 04:32.01 | mike_ | I know but i don't have debian upstairs lol |
| 04:32.11 | mike_ | My debian is downstairs |
| 04:32.18 | cobelloy | EnsignRedshirt: will that install xfree? |
| 04:32.18 | EnsignRedshirt | cobelloy: That will give you X (plus xterm, and some other basic stuff). |
| 04:32.20 | Guerin | mike_: so you're asking for help with your nondebian system? |
| 04:32.21 | Piet | Guerin: i'm trying to install a minimal debian system on the future swap, but i'll need ar to install it there. once this is installed i want to boot this new system, then install the encryption tools, set up encryption, then install debian on the system for real, i.e. on the other parititons. |
| 04:32.30 | EnsignRedshirt | cobelloy: Yes, xfree. |
| 04:32.31 | mike_ | I am actually on ubuntu but the ubuntu guys aren't as smart |
| 04:32.37 | Guerin | Piet: no cd to boot off? |
| 04:32.51 | mike_ | Guerin, yes but you guys are smart |
| 04:32.55 | Piet | Guerin: no, it's remote and i only have this RAM rescue system and a serial console |
| 04:32.57 | odla | mike_: shouldn't have said that :/ |
| 04:33.01 | mike_ | lol |
| 04:33.03 | Guerin | @they don't know |
| 04:33.06 | ravenbird | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 04:33.12 | keram | compudaze, when i'm setting the date with date -s how do i specify am/pm? |
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| 04:33.18 | Guerin | Piet: argh, you're out of my depth. |
| 04:33.18 | compudaze | mike_: install totem-xine and libxine-extracodecs |
| 04:33.20 | keram | its not working |
| 04:33.26 | nvz | ROOOOOT HAS LANDED! |
| 04:33.40 | odla | rm -rf /? |
| 04:33.46 | mike_ | cool thanks |
| 04:33.56 | compudaze | keram: u dont |
| 04:33.59 | compudaze | 24hr |
| 04:34.00 | cobelloy | ok, well, back to my first question then, do i want "x-window-system-core" or "x-window-system" |
| 04:34.06 | compudaze | so 11pm is 23 |
| 04:34.19 | keram | but its 12 hours ahead |
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| 04:34.27 | keram | oh ic |
| 04:34.33 | Guerin | compudaze: how the fuck do we know what you want? |
| 04:34.39 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 04:34.44 | mike_ | comudaze already installed but not working any other ideas? |
| 04:34.45 | Stevie | Guerin: you're not psychic? |
| 04:34.47 | Guerin | cobelloy: how the fuck do we know what you want? |
| 04:34.56 | nvz | dpkg, tell LeandroAl about irc as root |
| 04:34.59 | Guerin | Stevie: i didn't know you were going to say that |
| 04:35.05 | compudaze | Guerin: ? |
| 04:35.06 | Stevie | haha |
| 04:35.10 | keram | compudaze, is there a way to sync my clock with like the 'official' time? |
| 04:35.13 | cobelloy | Guerin: calm down, Im only asking questions |
| 04:35.15 | nvz | hmm that was not a good factoid |
| 04:35.15 | EnsignRedshirt | cobelloy: x-window-system. That will give you x-window-system-core, plus a few other extras. |
| 04:35.21 | nvz | someone must have fucked with that |
| 04:35.21 | Guerin | compudaze: your nick starts with co, and that make my typos your fault. |
| 04:35.25 | cobelloy | I dont know what the differece between the two packages is |
| 04:35.32 | compudaze | learn how to type |
| 04:35.39 | odla | cobelloy: you could read about them |
| 04:35.46 | compudaze | and stop relying on nick completion ;p |
| 04:35.50 | Guerin | cobelloy: ok, so look them up on packages.debian.org |
| 04:35.51 | Piet | Guerin: ok, thanks for trying though |
| 04:35.51 | Azar | honorables, "aptitude" breaks on me |
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| 04:35.58 | compudaze | keram: ntpd |
| 04:35.59 | Guerin | compudaze: too late. |
| 04:36.09 | Guerin | it's muscle memory, i can't help it |
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| 04:36.18 | odla | Azar: why what does it say? how does it break? |
| 04:36.22 | cobelloy | odla: I only found out about them when I asked a question here - am I not allowed to ask for information? |
| 04:36.40 | odla | cobelloy: what do you think this is a support channel or something? |
| 04:36.49 | EnsignRedshirt | Guerin: Actually, it is not unreasonable for an experienced debian user to know (or make a reasonable guess about) what a new user might "want". |
| 04:36.50 | Guerin | cobelloy: i already told you the difference: -core is minimal, the other one isn't. |
| 04:36.54 | cobelloy | oh - right so theres a quota on the number of questions I can ask is there? |
| 04:37.02 | keram | i have ntpdate installed |
| 04:37.03 | odla | cobelloy: try apt-cache show x-window-system and x-window-system-core and read the differences and choose for youreself |
| 04:37.32 | cobelloy | Guerin: thats not very informative, what is minimal - enough to run xfce? |
| 04:37.37 | Guerin | EnsignRedshirt: debian ain't in the business of second-guessing users. That's red hat, fedora, mandrake, suse and ubuntu's job. |
| 04:37.40 | k-man_ | is there a way, in less to search for the literval value of a charater? ie, a character that shows up in less as <92>? |
| 04:37.41 | Azar | odla, last month aptitude did a big update/upgrade on my Sarge, somehow affected xserver, I use xfree86. Well ofcourse installed xdm back and I do not want it so I removed afterwards. Since, everytime I try aptitude, it offers to remove my xserver-xfree86 as "not needed?" |
| 04:37.41 | odla | cobelloy: the problem is that this is a relatively subjective question. it depends on what you want. if you want minimal install x-window-system-core and you'll be fine |
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| 04:38.03 | Guerin | cobelloy: yes, the minimum necessary to run x stuff, but no extra fluff like xdm and such. |
| 04:38.12 | odla | Azar: and you're still running sarge with xfree86? |
| 04:38.14 | cobelloy | odla: I already answered two people who asked me what I was trying to set up, this is crazy |
| 04:38.24 | Azar | odla, my last suspicion is that the last update/upgrade installed xorg? How can I verify that? |
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| 04:38.31 | cobelloy | one person starts to help then gives up, then someone else takes over |
| 04:38.34 | Azar | odla, yes xfree86 |
| 04:38.39 | odla | Azar: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 04:38.41 | EnsignRedshirt | Guerin: Who said anything about "second guessing"? I'm talking about giving reasonable advice. |
| 04:38.42 | cobelloy | and you all end up cracking the shits at me for repeating myself |
| 04:38.59 | Guerin | EnsignRedshirt: defining 'reasonable' requires second-guessing. |
| 04:39.18 | compudaze | keram: for me i would type, date 103023392006 |
| 04:39.25 | cobelloy | if this is a priovate channel for people who dont need any basic help - maybe someone should put that in the topic |
| 04:39.25 | Guerin | cobelloy: don't fret, this is just #debian on a nrmal day. |
| 04:39.32 | Azar | odla, no /etc/X11/xserver did not see any xorg but only one Security file that mentions it |
| 04:39.34 | odla | cobelloy: i'd recommend x-window-system-core and if you want more stuff just install it later |
| 04:39.38 | compudaze | oct 30 11:39pm |
| 04:39.42 | EnsignRedshirt | cobelloy: I think you will be find if you install x-window-system. That will give you the X server, plus other stuff such as xterm. It might be more than you need, but it is a reasonable default. |
| 04:39.58 | cobelloy | odla: ok - Ill just do that, I feel like Im going in circles anyway |
| 04:40.03 | odla | Azar: well if you're doing normal updates with sarge and not using xorg from backports then you have to have xfree86 |
| 04:40.04 | EnsignRedshirt | cobelloy: ...but what odla said is also OK! |
| 04:40.25 | odla | cobelloy: if you want the whole thing, ie x-window-system, install it later :) |
| 04:40.38 | Azar | odla, indeed, apt-get behaves, but aptitude allways offers to remove xserver-xfree86 |
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| 04:40.51 | odla | Azar: sounds like a bug |
| 04:40.57 | k-man_ | how can i search a file for a special char <92>? |
| 04:41.00 | odla | Azar: have you looked on bugs.debian.org? |
| 04:41.01 | cobelloy | EnsignRedshirt: more stuff than I need is probably the way to go |
| 04:41.03 | Azar | odla, I guess so |
| 04:41.14 | Azar | odla I do not know how to use bugs.debian.org |
| 04:41.16 | odla | Azar: open a bug report if one isn't already open |
| 04:41.22 | cobelloy | and i wish my freakin internet would stop ditching me too |
| 04:41.29 | odla | Azar: it's very simple or you can use reportbug |
| 04:41.34 | odla | Azar: type reportbug at a terminal |
| 04:41.34 | compudaze | keram: ntpdate pool.ntp.org works too |
| 04:41.40 | Guerin | k-man_: try asking #bash, it might be doable in grep/sed/awk/somnething |
| 04:41.48 | Azar | :) yay ok |
| 04:41.55 | k-man_ | Guerin, thanks |
| 04:42.05 | Azar | I wish I could send a snapshot |
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| 04:42.20 | odla | Azar: you can copy and paste it |
| 04:42.22 | Guerin | k-man_: also try various editors and such, some handle special characters sanely. Even try firefox or something. |
| 04:42.32 | odla | firefox? |
| 04:42.34 | Guerin | c&p is fine if you can SEE the character in the first place |
| 04:42.55 | Guerin | odla: sorry, I mean iceweasel |
| 04:43.35 | odla | Guerin: no you're right there is no iceweasel yet |
| 04:43.45 | odla | !pity the fool |
| 04:43.45 | dpkg | I pity da fool the fool! |
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| 04:45.55 | Sakara|Uni | hi all |
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| 04:46.45 | Sakara|Uni | anyone home? |
| 04:47.13 | JeffH | anyone know if squirrelmail supports e-mail that has CSS in it? |
| 04:47.15 | Sakara|Uni | no idea |
| 04:47.19 | JeffH | I asked in #squirrelmail but no one seems to be awake. |
| 04:47.34 | Sakara|Uni | css is just text |
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| 04:47.42 | Sakara|Uni | I'm sure it will pass it on |
| 04:47.49 | mike_ | anybody know how to get codecs for totem? |
| 04:48.08 | compudaze | mike_: are you using totem or totem-xine? |
| 04:48.08 | Sakara|Uni | apt-get install vlc usually grabs all the sutff with it mike_ |
| 04:48.20 | Sakara|Uni | I use vlc instead |
| 04:48.21 | compudaze | yeah, just use vlc |
| 04:48.25 | JeffH | I wonder if the html is broke then cause the CSS stuff is just shown as text. |
| 04:48.27 | compudaze | my preference |
| 04:49.05 | Sakara|Uni | anyone know if you can get Debian running from within a windows host from a USB thumb drive |
| 04:49.09 | mike_ | what is vlc |
| 04:49.16 | Guerin | mike_: media player |
| 04:49.20 | Sakara|Uni | vlc is a great media player |
| 04:49.22 | mike_ | oh |
| 04:49.23 | Guerin | !fgi mike_ vlc |
| 04:49.24 | dpkg | mike_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=vlc |
| 04:49.31 | Sakara|Uni | lol |
| 04:49.32 | Guerin | it's good, i wouldn't call it great |
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| 04:49.52 | mike_ | thanks dpkg |
| 04:49.52 | dpkg | de rien, mike_ |
| 04:49.55 | Guerin | it sure does play a lot of formats, though |
| 04:49.58 | Sakara|Uni | Guerin when you are running a machine with only 100Mb of memory vlx is tops |
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| 04:50.16 | Guerin | Sakara|Uni: mplayer is still the bigger win |
| 04:50.22 | mike_ | See you guys are way smarter than ubuntu |
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| 04:50.32 | Guerin | Sakara|Uni: since it doesn't have any gui shit loaded by default |
| 04:50.35 | Sakara|Uni | ubuntu is debian derived |
| 04:50.58 | Sakara|Uni | we are ubuntu's daddy :D |
| 04:51.01 | Azar | dondelecaro, did you noticed that unmarkto is ignored by aptitude? is on the bugs list |
| 04:51.08 | Guerin | !mplay |
| 04:51.28 | Sakara|Uni | anyway like I was saying Debian Virtual Machine off a USB thumb drive? |
| 04:51.31 | Sakara|Uni | Where would you start? |
| 04:51.38 | mike_ | Sakara|Uni, you are right |
| 04:51.49 | wols_ | Sakara|Uni: google. search for debian on USB |
| 04:51.51 | Guerin | damnit, there's a program called mplay which is a cli front for mplayer, but it's not in debian and requires lots of nonexistent perl modules |
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| 04:52.10 | Azar | odla, I found it: 100) #342835: aptitude: "X will be automatically removed because of dependencies |
| 04:52.24 | mike_ | damn that didn't work |
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| 04:52.59 | wols_ | mike_: that's cause we cannot help you. we don't run ubuntu and know not really aynthing about it |
| 04:53.03 | mike_ | I don't have a decoder installed to handle this |
| 04:53.13 | mike_ | wols_, thanks for trying |
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| 04:53.36 | wols_ | mike_: thank you for not reading the topic |
| 04:54.22 | mike_ | I wasn't being sarcastic I really appreciate your trying |
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| 04:55.47 | compudaze | any repos provide nvidia beta binary drivers? |
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| 04:57.27 | Sakara|Uni | compudaze, no idea any reason why you would want to? |
| 04:57.51 | compudaze | easier to deal with |
| 04:58.09 | compudaze | would take like an extra 30m to download the dev files to install the one on nvidias site |
| 04:58.52 | wols_ | Sakara|Uni: 9x.xx drivers for aiglx I guess |
| 04:59.20 | Sakara|Uni | I got no money for good graphics cards >< so I dont really care for it |
| 04:59.24 | compudaze | for compiz actuallt, not aiglx |
| 04:59.28 | Sakara|Uni | lol so long as I can read stuff I dont care |
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| 04:59.34 | Azar | odla, do I need some kind of mail in order to use reportbug? I do not have any mail on my system |
| 04:59.41 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.57 | wols_ | Azar: then reinstall that MTA |
| 04:59.57 | compudaze | xgl/aiglx isn't needed with the new beta nvidia drivers |
| 05:00.10 | compudaze | they handle the rendering directly |
| 05:00.21 | wols_ | compudaze: it isn't? now how would X and compiz then work? |
| 05:00.23 | Azar | wols_: I have no means of port 25. I requested my ISP to disable it |
| 05:00.41 | wols_ | Azar: how do you send mail then? any mail? |
| 05:00.49 | Azar | wols_: I use yahoo |
| 05:01.03 | compudaze | with GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap |
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| 05:01.07 | wols_ | it uses mail yes |
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| 05:01.31 | compudaze | the new beta driver supports it |
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| 05:01.34 | Azar | report bug is stucked now, Spawning sensible-editor... |
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| 05:01.49 | wols_ | compudaze: and this extension provides the full api just as aiglx to the upper layers like compiz? |
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| 05:02.19 | compudaze | i just know it works even with aiglx turned off |
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| 05:04.36 | wols_ | from the looks of it, nvidia just added support for aiglx. The necessity ot Xorg 7.1 strongly suggests so |
| 05:04.41 | odla | Azar: yeah i think you need some sort of mail program |
| 05:04.46 | wols_ | where have you rad you don't need AIGLX? |
| 05:05.00 | wols_ | *read |
| 05:05.17 | wols_ | btw: Xorg 7.1 has AIGLX built in |
| 05:05.27 | EnsignRedshirt | Azar: You could use the --output=FILE option of reportbug to create a file instead of an email. Then use yahoo to send the file? |
| 05:05.57 | compudaze | let me find it |
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| 05:06.06 | compudaze | brb |
| 05:06.16 | Sakara|Uni | Anyone know how to create you own custom live cd? |
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| 05:07.00 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it does the right thing; the only issue is that it doesn't influence the actions that are already going to be performed. |
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| 05:07.51 | d0uglas | Sakara|Uni: start by googling custom live cd, i just saw a bunch of stuff on it |
| 05:08.10 | dondelelcaro | Azar: $ sudo aptitude markauto libc6 >/dev/null; aptitude show libc6|grep ^Automatically; sudo aptitude unmarkauto libc6 >/dev/null; aptitude show libc6|grep ^Automatically; <-- run this, and see. |
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| 05:08.51 | Azar | thanks dondelecaro, I will try it now |
| 05:09.05 | Azar | odla, I used my web mail at yahoo and sent the bug report :) |
| 05:09.48 | odla | Azar: great |
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| 05:14.48 | Azar | dondelecaro, what did just happened here? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4298 |
| 05:15.27 | Azar | it removed my X? I hope not.... |
| 05:16.27 | odla | Azar: no |
| 05:16.36 | Azar | whew! :) |
| 05:16.36 | odla | Azar: i think it fixed your problem |
| 05:16.41 | odla | Azar: try restarting X |
| 05:16.48 | odla | or rerunning aptitude |
| 05:16.52 | Azar | yay ok |
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| 05:17.10 | Azar | both, if I am not coming back fast, means I have to reinstall X |
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| 05:17.49 | odla | Azar: X will be fine |
| 05:17.59 | odla | Azar: dondelelcaro know's what he's talking about |
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| 05:18.12 | Azar | ok aptitude behaved this time |
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| 05:20.14 | Azar | x gone :( |
| 05:20.23 | Azar | xinit:server error |
| 05:20.54 | odla | Azar: oh shit really? |
| 05:20.59 | Azar | yeop |
| 05:21.10 | Azar | I will reinstall, and stop using aptitude |
| 05:21.10 | odla | Azar: strange...reinstall it? |
| 05:21.13 | Azar | yep |
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| 05:30.48 | Sakara|Uni | does knoppix have aptitude? |
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| 05:32.55 | predder | how can i change the order kernel modules are loaded? |
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| 05:34.45 | Azar | well, sigh, my sould cries for aptitude |
| 05:35.00 | Azar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4299 |
| 05:35.48 | Azar | SuperDeal spam on join |
| 05:35.57 | Azar | ah bot |
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| 05:36.33 | Azar | you killed it, peterS? |
| 05:36.43 | peterS | I keeel it, ja. |
| 05:36.49 | Azar | thank you :) |
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| 05:37.35 | peterS | Azar: so tell aptitude that you do have xserver-xfree86 installed on purpose, then. 'aptitude unmarkaudo xserver-xfree86' |
| 05:37.50 | peterS | s/unmarkaudo/unmarkauto |
| 05:38.03 | Azar | peterS: unmarkauto is yet another aptitude bug: aptitude ignores it |
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| 05:38.12 | peterS | does it really. |
| 05:38.37 | Azar | peterS, dondelecaro just helped me with something , fixed aptitude which automatically removed my Xfree86: I just reinstalled it |
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| 05:39.13 | Azar | so is a date, errr is a bug: aptitude tends to offer to remove xfree86 on any upgrade I do: so I will use apt-get for now |
| 05:40.11 | Azar | peterS: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4298 < that removed my xfree86 with no warning :) but fixed aptitude |
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| 05:41.36 | peterS | Azar: wait, what does libc6 have to do with xserver-xfree86? |
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| 05:45.04 | Azar | peterS, dondelecaro helped me to give this a try |
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| 05:45.50 | Azar | my take is that after the Oct 10 security upgrade, aptitude thinks that xfree86 can't run without xdm. Therefore it tells me it not being used and it offers to remove it |
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| 05:46.26 | Azar | ... and I do not even have the chance to tell it not to do that |
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| 05:47.07 | Azar | I hope etch will not force a .dm on me. I like running X without it |
| 05:48.20 | Azar | I don't like operating systems that came with "built-in" stuff , take it or leave it kind |
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| 05:50.24 | peterS | Azar: etch will pop up a cartoon character that will tell you "You seem to be trying to run an X session. Do you want help installing a .dm?" |
| 05:50.47 | Azar | :) nice, and does obey when you say no? |
| 05:51.24 | peterS | Azar: of course it obeys. but it will pop up again 10 minutes later. |
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| 05:51.26 | Azar | I usually install the minimal and build configuration on it on my own |
| 05:51.43 | Azar | oh haha, so will pop up all the time? |
| 05:52.39 | Azar | all the magic commands from the past might fade away with new Debian versions, right? |
| 05:54.15 | peterS | depends on the nature of your magic |
| 05:54.31 | Azar | I have another box where I upgraded to Etch in June, and it works good, no difference |
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| 05:56.49 | Azar | good night honorables, thanks for the help, dondelecaro, sorry it did not work, I appreciate your input however. |
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| 06:04.45 | eggleston | XMMS is refusing to run and giving no error output whatsoever. can anyone help incdicate why this may be? |
| 06:05.51 | Angel-SL | did you try running it in the terminal? |
| 06:06.03 | Angel-SL | that might spit out a error |
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| 06:06.59 | eggleston | Angel-SL, unfortunately, it did not |
| 06:07.17 | Angel-SL | hmm. |
| 06:07.27 | eggleston | Angel-SL, i have no idea why this may have happened, and the only think related to sound i can think of that i have done recently was alsaconf. |
| 06:07.27 | Angel-SL | try rebooting |
| 06:07.42 | Angel-SL | !alsaconf |
| 06:07.46 | Angel-SL | grr' |
| 06:07.53 | Angel-SL | dpkg: alsaconf |
| 06:07.57 | eggleston | Angel-SL, rebooting? generally i am told by other linux dudes that rebooting is a thing of windows. |
| 06:08.00 | Angel-SL | !@#$% |
| 06:08.05 | Angel-SL | RIGHT |
| 06:08.06 | Angel-SL | err |
| 06:08.07 | Angel-SL | sorry |
| 06:08.09 | Angel-SL | right.. |
| 06:08.13 | eggleston | it's cool :p |
| 06:08.29 | Angel-SL | yeah i got my mind back |
| 06:08.38 | eggleston | if it's any help, beep-media-player is refusing to run also |
| 06:08.38 | Angel-SL | rebooting doesnt actually fix anything on linux |
| 06:08.43 | eggleston | i will try logging off and on again |
| 06:08.43 | cahoot | eggleston: do other sound apps work as expected? |
| 06:09.02 | eggleston | cahoot, as i said, beep-media-player isn't working, although totem seems to be working fine. |
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| 06:09.26 | eggleston | cahoot, sorry if that sounded rude. |
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| 06:10.01 | cahoot | eggleston: then it's hardly an alsa problem |
| 06:10.19 | eggleston | cahoot, well i doubt it. i'll just log off |
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| 06:13.40 | eggleston | Angel-SL, cahoot, logging off worked fine. |
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| 06:18.27 | chemaja | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:26.49 | Capso | What's the Debian package for GPG? |
| 06:26.50 | Capso | Name? |
| 06:27.13 | peterS | gnupg |
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| 06:28.37 | Capso | Thanks. |
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| 06:31.05 | mike_ | I have a network question if anybody is up to it |
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| 06:32.18 | Guerin | mike_: still using ubuntu? |
| 06:32.26 | mike_ | haha yes |
| 06:32.33 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 06:32.33 | dpkg | hmm... nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 06:32.37 | mike_ | I also use debian |
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| 06:33.00 | Guerin | that's nice, but irrelevant |
| 06:33.15 | mike_ | It is a networking issue not a ubuntu problem |
| 06:33.23 | Guerin | ok |
| 06:33.26 | Tallu | Then ask in ##networking |
| 06:33.27 | Guerin | ask in #networking then |
| 06:33.36 | Guerin | !beer Tallu |
| 06:33.43 | Tallu | Yay! |
| 06:33.45 | mike_ | You aren't even curious? |
| 06:33.49 | Guerin | nope |
| 06:33.53 | mike_ | k |
| 06:34.02 | Guerin | the answer will just be 'man 5 interfaces' anyway |
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| 06:44.52 | nima | Is gtk-gnutella being really stupid for anyone else? |
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| 06:45.17 | Guerin | gtk-gnutella was temrinally stupid last I used it |
| 06:45.19 | Guerin | in 2003 or so |
| 06:45.58 | nima | It was complaining about some junk, so I reinstalled it. Now it just won't connect... |
| 06:46.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:46.21 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:46.23 | nima | It was complaining about some downloaded files I had deleted |
| 06:46.42 | tarzeau | use limewire? |
| 06:47.13 | nima | tarzeau, nah, it's not that important, I'll get it working later :-P |
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| 06:47.27 | Guerin | haha, limewire |
| 06:47.32 | Guerin | does that still exist? |
| 06:47.36 | tarzeau | Guerin: sure |
| 06:47.43 | Guerin | but WHY? |
| 06:47.47 | tarzeau | gtk-gnutella never worked for me |
| 06:47.50 | tarzeau | Guerin: it works? |
| 06:47.58 | Guerin | tarzeau: only if you install java |
| 06:48.04 | tarzeau | Guerin: that's true |
| 06:48.09 | Guerin | or does it work with gnu java? |
| 06:48.13 | tarzeau | Guerin: i doubt |
| 06:48.24 | tarzeau | Guerin: well it's SUN fault that we have java |
| 06:48.29 | tarzeau | Guerin: there was no need for it at all |
| 06:48.32 | nima | It worked fine for me, it just started to suck a short while ago |
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| 06:48.44 | Guerin | it's everyone's fault who uses sun java |
| 06:49.22 | tarzeau | Guerin: no, especially thoses fault who develop using it |
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| 06:49.42 | tarzeau | Guerin: i'm not helping sun or java to spread at all |
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| 06:49.51 | Guerin | but you're using it |
| 06:49.54 | tarzeau | Guerin: but look at gnu, and the free software implementations, it's also their fault |
| 06:50.11 | Guerin | yeah, the free java implementations are a bit shit |
| 06:50.19 | tarzeau | Guerin: said who? |
| 06:50.30 | Guerin | said me |
| 06:50.39 | tarzeau | Guerin: i mean that i use it, i don't |
| 06:50.46 | Guerin | in that they don't actually work with stuff that's not specifically written fot them |
| 06:50.49 | tarzeau | Guerin: anyways, input shit, output shit |
| 06:50.52 | nima | mutella seems decent, but I could never figure it out |
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| 06:50.59 | Guerin | tarzeau: oh, you don't, ok. |
| 06:51.07 | tarzeau | Guerin: i don't even use gtk or qt |
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| 06:51.27 | Guerin | tarzeau: for license reasons, of because they're not *step? |
| 06:51.37 | Guerin | s/of/or/ |
| 06:51.55 | tarzeau | Guerin: because they are utterly crappy to use, inefficient, ugly and not very adaptable |
| 06:52.05 | Guerin | i tend to agree. |
| 06:52.06 | tarzeau | Guerin: inconsistency, unportably |
| 06:52.23 | tarzeau | and did i tell why i don't use firefox, www.linuks.mine.nu/firefox/ |
| 06:52.25 | Wyzard | Which package is it that asks "is your monitor an LCD?" in its debconf questions? |
| 06:52.35 | tarzeau | i should really give explanations with sentences, examples and screenshots |
| 06:52.42 | tarzeau | and then get it onto /. |
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| 06:53.21 | nima | Wyzard, xserver-xorg? |
| 06:53.24 | tarzeau | Guerin: yay 28 freebsd ports, today come two more, and then i've got 30 :) |
| 06:54.20 | KyleH | Why does my Debian etch install of Firefox 1.5 exist at the location /usr/lib and _also_ /usr/lib/firefox - that seems an odd location |
| 06:54.35 | tarzeau | KyleH: bug, maybe? |
| 06:54.42 | tarzeau | KyleH: the same files? |
| 06:54.48 | KyleH | tarzeau: yes, the same files. |
| 06:54.56 | tarzeau | KyleH: checked BTS? tried removing some? |
| 06:55.12 | KyleH | tarzeau: I just noticed it when installing a local copy of Firefox 2 |
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| 06:56.04 | KyleH | tarzeau: I did not remove any - just redirected via symlink to my local copy leaving the installed package alone |
| 06:56.06 | tarzeau | KyleH: why don't you install your local copy to /usr/local or even better to /opt ? |
| 06:56.14 | KyleH | yep, I have it in /opt |
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| 06:56.56 | KyleH | I will write it off as a bug I guess - the joys of ETCH! heh |
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| 07:01.20 | konami | how i can configure my soundcard ?? |
| 07:01.53 | sep | !alsa one-liner |
| 07:01.54 | dpkg | hmm... alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 07:04.19 | konami | no mudole found :/ |
| 07:04.41 | konami | is there something else i can try |
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| 07:07.10 | konami | its probarly isa card soundcard |
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| 07:09.32 | Sakara | Which ISO img do I download? |
| 07:10.00 | KyleH | Sakara: pick your flavor! |
| 07:10.08 | Sakara | I am running i386 archetecture and am just looking for a nice desktop enviroment. |
| 07:10.35 | KyleH | !iso |
| 07:10.35 | dpkg | [iso] a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, or debian-cd.com, or http://www.linuxiso.org, or something I do with needle and thread, or ask me about "netinst", a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, or jigdo, or ask me about "jigdo", or did I mention "jigdo"?, or see "create cd image", or a partially-correct way of referring ISO 9660 |
| 07:11.26 | Sakara | What is the difference between debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso & debian-31r3-i386-binary-15.iso for example? |
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| 07:13.03 | KyleH | Sakara: there are 15 iso in the total package |
| 07:13.11 | KyleH | Sakara: you dont need them all |
| 07:13.12 | pitillo | Sakara, the binary-1 is the first cd and 15 the lastest... |
| 07:14.01 | pitillo | like KyleH said you donÂīt need all, with first and internet connection you can update. |
| 07:14.08 | KyleH | Sakara: I recently installed ETCH from the netinstall option over broadband. Worked like a charm |
| 07:14.24 | KyleH | !netinst |
| 07:14.25 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 07:15.27 | Sakara | I am looking to install a desktop system then port it to a live cd which I will dump on a flash drive with qemu and use it everywhere I go |
| 07:16.26 | KyleH | Sakara: Debian also has a live cd |
| 07:16.51 | Sakara | Yes I have seen that but I want a live CD that has Hamachi for linux running on it already |
| 07:17.08 | Sakara | so I can connect to my LAN at home through VPN |
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| 07:18.06 | Sakara | see this is where I am stuck I am currently using damnsmalllinux but there is no TUN or TAP support >< |
| 07:18.38 | Sakara | you know of a way I could get Debian running from my thumb drive within a Windows Host in a similar way to what I do with DSL? |
| 07:18.40 | KyleH | Sakara: you are way over my head. Hopefully someone here knows how to help you. |
| 07:19.10 | Sakara | Thanks anyway KyleH |
| 07:19.17 | KyleH | Sakara: you might ask in #debian-live |
| 07:19.25 | Sakara | hey thats a good idea |
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| 07:19.30 | KyleH | ;-) |
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| 07:23.38 | yos87 | hi |
| 07:24.35 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 07:24.36 | dpkg | <Green-x> hello all, does any body have the serial number for parralles workstation?; <SpyderMan> Green-x: yes : J00RT3HH4X0R5; <Green-x> SpyderMan, thats wrong! |
| 07:24.37 | Sakara | hi yang |
| 07:24.40 | Sakara | yooseong |
| 07:24.41 | Sakara | sorry |
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| 07:26.34 | sjr_ | I read the following on bash and I was wonder what does the following do at a bash prompt? :(){ :|:&};: [DO NOT RUN IT ] |
| 07:26.49 | SubStack | fork bomb |
| 07:27.03 | sjr_ | what does it fork? |
| 07:27.12 | Tallu | well your loads |
| 07:27.23 | aRJAy | I'm wanting to download the latest stable debian for a i386 box. Can someone help me to find which set of files to download please? :) |
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| 07:27.30 | streuner | sjr_: sounds like a question for #bash |
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| 07:27.35 | sjr_ | ah |
| 07:27.37 | aRJAy | I'm guessing at there's a few iso's... yea? |
| 07:27.54 | aRJAy | oops.. family's home... brb. plez msg me with answer if poss |
| 07:27.56 | aRJAy | -=out=- |
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| 07:28.08 | Tallu | aRJAy: just get the first iso for debian sarge, and install the rest with the net |
| 07:28.15 | sjr_ | hmmmm thanks |
| 07:28.18 | Tallu | aRJAy: it contains the base system and most used packages |
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| 07:28.43 | streuner | !tell aRJAy about d-i |
| 07:28.53 | factor | does debian have a mythtv location? |
| 07:29.03 | factor | the one in google seems to be dead |
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| 07:31.45 | hcy | hi, i got a new router for my network - it's wireless, but so far i'm not attempting the wireless part, just trying to get everything as it used to be when i was using wires. everything seems to be set up fine, except that my nfs mounts don't work. when i try to mount a drive being exported on my server, the terminal window just hangs after the 'mount' command. any ideas? |
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| 07:32.30 | jel | hcy: you should ask this in ##networking |
| 07:32.49 | sep | hcy, check /etc/hosts (or your dns config) |
| 07:32.59 | pitillo | hcy, give a try to strace to see when hangs the command... |
| 07:33.09 | sep | hcy, and your exports file. |
| 07:33.15 | sep | and your hosts.allow/deny |
| 07:33.38 | hcy | sep: i checked all of those, they all seem fine. I made sure to keep the IP addresses of my computers the same with the new router |
| 07:33.46 | sep | then you can test with rpcinfo -p serverhostname |
| 07:34.01 | sep | and ofcouse check the logs, |
| 07:34.05 | Snake-Eyes | Can any one recomend a good online data storage site/place outside the US ? (and has rsync, sftp,etc) |
| 07:34.08 | sep | but that one was obvious i guess |
| 07:34.46 | jel | Snake-Eyes: just curious... why outside the us? |
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| 07:35.01 | hcy | sep: of course i'm looking at the logs, nothing in there of note... what should i look for in rpcinfo? i have it open in front of me |
| 07:35.59 | Snake-Eyes | jel, want to encrypt the data (i'm not in the US, but mots of the datacenters i've seen are) |
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| 07:36.47 | hcy | sep: should i have a port-forwarding enabled for nfs? i didn't with the old router and it worked fine |
| 07:36.57 | sep | you should atlest see mountd /nfs and lockd entries |
| 07:37.10 | sep | hcy, is the server and client not in the same subnet ? |
| 07:37.24 | hcy | sep: yes they are, of course. nevermind |
| 07:37.35 | Snake-Eyes | jel, you know of datacenter ? :) |
| 07:37.37 | hcy | sep: i see portmapper, status, nfs, nlockmgr, mountd |
| 07:37.39 | sep | hcy, then the router is irrelewant you could basicaly remove it. |
| 07:38.09 | yos87 | When I'm trying to install java, I have error, Cannot excute the exct file |
| 07:38.15 | hcy | ? so what should i do to get my nfs thing working? |
| 07:38.38 | sep | hcy, does it hang forever ? it never erturns with a error ? |
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| 07:39.01 | PointyPumper | hello? |
| 07:39.11 | PointyPumper | can anybody help me with some lil thing? |
| 07:39.16 | aRJAy | 15 ISOs ???? |
| 07:39.18 | yos87 | hello |
| 07:39.19 | aRJAy | wtf! :) |
| 07:39.44 | aRJAy | I seriously don't need all of them, yea? |
| 07:39.45 | sep | aRJAy, there is a lot of softwaer in debian, but you dont need to dlall cd's |
| 07:39.55 | sep | aRJAy, the first cd is enough to install. |
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| 07:40.06 | aRJAy | sep: what's up with the rest of them? :) |
| 07:40.06 | PointyPumper | i'm having troubles configuring modules |
| 07:40.07 | sep | you can get the rest later using apt-get |
| 07:40.12 | PointyPumper | :/ |
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| 07:40.21 | PointyPumper | i need a moduel to be loaded with specific params |
| 07:40.27 | PointyPumper | how is this done? |
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| 07:40.32 | aRJAy | sep: is there any point in downloading 2,3,4 of them? |
| 07:40.33 | sep | some people dont have fast network and would prefer not to dl thir packages on a 9600 baud |
| 07:40.54 | dorel__ | 9600 baud lol |
| 07:40.57 | dorel__ | thats so oldschool |
| 07:40.59 | hcy | checking... |
| 07:40.59 | sep | aRJAy, not if you have a normal internet |
| 07:41.11 | sep | dorel__, i still have my 300 baud modem |
| 07:41.23 | dorel__ | sep: my first was a 14k |
| 07:41.34 | sep | dorel__, i never managed to get that speed tho the speakers in my phone didnt deal with it |
| 07:41.39 | dorel__ | sep: bbs's were definitely a good time |
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| 07:42.13 | hcy | question: i'm getting a couple of messages in my /var/log/syslog on my client box (workstation) and would like to know if they're at all significant: portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out |
| 07:42.28 | sep | hcy, server localhost???? |
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| 07:42.35 | litage | how can you check whether a script is running as root? |
| 07:42.39 | hcy | sep: that's what it says. what does it mean? |
| 07:42.41 | jel | Snake-Eyes: sorry, no. A google search for remote backup server shell co.uk turns up some stuff, but I can't recommend any of those. Personally, I just use a local backup server, with projects backed up to my webserver via bzr |
| 07:42.49 | aRJAy | sep... thanks for that.. so you suggest just getting the first CD, yea? |
| 07:42.56 | sep | hcy, ais the server and the client the same machine ? |
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| 07:43.10 | sep | hcy, in any case restart portmap |
| 07:43.21 | Tallu | aRJAy: I already answered you a while back I guess you didn't read up |
| 07:43.24 | PointyPumper | can anybody help me? :/ |
| 07:43.30 | sep | aRJAy, yes |
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| 07:43.45 | hcy | sep: i have a router with two machines connected to it. a sun that is my server (running gentoo), and a dell laptop which is my workstation/client (running debian) |
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| 07:44.08 | aRJAy | Tallu: you're right. sorry.. was looking away at the time I guess. soz. thanks :) |
| 07:44.22 | aRJAy | ok.. back to work. bbl, and 10q :) ~~ |
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| 07:45.42 | hcy | sep: do you think it's portmap causing the mount problems? |
| 07:45.44 | sep | hcy, restart portman and nfs-comon on both machines, and restart nfs-kernel-server on serverside, run exportfs on server verify it's sane. verify hostlookups works from both sides and try again |
| 07:46.11 | hcy | sep: hmmm ok |
| 07:46.46 | sep | i just think it was strange it should complain about portmap on localhost. |
| 07:47.04 | sep | it sounds more like a misconfigured hostsfile or something |
| 07:47.13 | sep | but ofcouse hard to tell |
| 07:47.38 | yos87 | when I install java , I have error, Cannot excute binary file, somebody know why? |
| 07:47.51 | sep | localhost = the localmachine, it should allways respond .. |
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| 07:48.19 | dorel__ | sep: i say we abondon the internet and bring the bbs days back :P |
| 07:48.29 | sep | you get that when you install the sun-java5 package ? |
| 07:48.35 | x_link | Good morning folx ! |
| 07:48.42 | hcy | sep: i'm still getting that error |
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| 07:48.50 | sep | dorel__, naaaawwww i'd hate getting those phonebills again.... |
| 07:48.51 | hcy | sep: also lockd_up errors |
| 07:49.06 | hcy | sep: lockd_up: makesock failed, error=-5 |
| 07:49.18 | hcy | sep: lockd_up: no pid, 3 users?? |
| 07:49.24 | hcy | those two |
| 07:49.48 | dorel__ | hcy: do you have portmap installed? check the configuration for it. |
| 07:49.54 | dorel__ | sep: heh |
| 07:49.54 | hcy | now my nfs mounting seems to work, just takes a very long time |
| 07:50.33 | hcy | dorel__: it's installed, i can run it. where are the config files for it? there's no /etc/portmap |
| 07:50.42 | sep | hcy, sounds very like a misconfigured namespace indeed |
| 07:50.50 | x_link | I should run apt-get update before I run apt-get upgrade, right? |
| 07:50.58 | hcy | sep: ok, what does that mean and how do i fix it? |
| 07:51.27 | mutante | x_link: yes |
| 07:51.34 | sep | hcy, verify your hostsfiles are sane ? ad that they are used before dns |
| 07:51.35 | x_link | mutante: Okey, thanks ! |
| 07:52.32 | mutante | x_link: update just reads the package lists again from the servers specified in /etc/apt/sources.list, so it updates "what" is available, but it doesnt install packages itself |
| 07:52.35 | hcy | sep: /etc/hosts says 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost on the first line |
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| 07:53.32 | sep | hcy, and ? |
| 07:53.48 | hcy | sep: and 192.168.0.3 sun-i-am |
| 07:53.56 | sep | :) |
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| 07:54.14 | hcy | sep: that's what i want, right? |
| 07:54.28 | hcy | and then it has some lines for IPv6 stuff |
| 07:54.28 | sep | you should basicaly have that localhost line + 1 line for each computer inthe hosts file on both computers |
| 07:54.47 | hcy | sep: ok, i do |
| 07:55.38 | sep | hcy, oneceupon a time before dns, we needed to keep one line in the hostsfile for each computer on the internet. :) so you should be able to get 2 computers correct without any problems |
| 07:55.49 | sep | :) |
| 07:55.58 | hcy | sep: they seem correct |
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| 07:56.44 | yos87 | when I install java , I have error, Cannot excute binary file, somebody know why? |
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| 07:57.14 | sep | hcy, then i dont know of anything else to try, :/ |
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| 07:58.07 | hcy | sep: ok |
| 07:58.11 | sep | hcy, ofcouse also check that nsswitch.conf have files before dns on the hosts part |
| 07:58.58 | hcy | sep: yes it does |
| 07:59.21 | sep | hcy, also check that rcp works on both sides. portmap needs to be running |
| 07:59.38 | sep | in debian it's /etc/init.d/portmap restart |
| 07:59.54 | sep | and any firewall rules must ofcouse allow it |
| 08:00.16 | hcy | sep: how do i check that rcp works on both sides |
| 08:00.52 | sep | rpcinfo -p other_hostname |
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| 08:01.22 | sep | server should have portmap,mountd,nfs,nlockmgr,status |
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| 08:01.37 | hcy | sep: i don't seem to have a command rcpinfo |
| 08:01.44 | sep | client should have portmap,nlockmgr,status |
| 08:02.16 | sep | hcy, it's part if libc6 you must have that |
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| 08:02.33 | hcy | sep: are you sure it's called rcpinfo? |
| 08:02.35 | sep | /usr/bin/rpcinfo on my etch |
| 08:02.52 | sep | c<->p |
| 08:02.58 | hcy | ah |
| 08:03.28 | NetEcho | rxvt -backspacekey -sl 2500 -fg %FGCOLOR% -bg %BGCOLOR% -sr -fn Courier-12 -tn msys -geometry 80x25 -e /bin/sh --login -i |
| 08:03.39 | unlink | i have a C file main(){}, and i am trying to compile and link it against libcrypto, but ld cannot find -lcrypto, even though i have libssl0.9.8 installed (debain sid) |
| 08:03.44 | NetEcho | which one of those options would be putting the scroll bar on the right side of the screen? |
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| 08:04.13 | cobelloy | do you guys know if its possible to install xorg by using apt ? |
| 08:04.13 | unlink | libssl0.9.8 has /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 |
| 08:04.14 | hcy | sep: on server, rpcinfo -p <client> only shows portmapper |
| 08:04.22 | cobelloy | I tried after doing a netinstall cd |
| 08:04.26 | hcy | sep: on client all the things you mentioned show |
| 08:04.30 | NetEcho | nm |
| 08:04.31 | NetEcho | found it |
| 08:04.35 | unlink | and i ran ldconfig before trying to link. what's wrong? why doesn't it find -lcrypto? |
| 08:04.42 | cobelloy | but it said there was no package |
| 08:06.48 | unlink | for some reason the symlink libcrypto.so isn't being created |
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| 08:08.53 | hcy | sep: ? |
| 08:09.02 | sep | hcy, have you installed nfs-client on the client side and have you restared nfs-common on client ? it should provide the status lines in rpcinfo |
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| 08:09.16 | unlink | er, libcrypto.so.0 |
| 08:09.21 | unlink | instead, ldconfig makes libcrypto.so.0.9.8 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.8 |
| 08:09.38 | PointyPumper | snif |
| 08:09.40 | unlink | however, ld cannot find this with -lcrypto |
| 08:09.52 | sep | lockd i dont knowe.... i think it's a kernel module but i have not loaded it manually |
| 08:09.57 | PointyPumper | can u help me? :/ i'm not being able to set up module parameters on an etch :/ |
| 08:10.05 | unlink | anyone know why this might be happening? |
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| 08:10.30 | PointyPumper | i've added a file in /etc/modutils/ |
| 08:10.31 | PointyPumper | with |
| 08:10.33 | PointyPumper | options bttv card=30,46 |
| 08:10.34 | PointyPumper | post-install bttv /usr/bin/v4lctl -c /dev/video0 volume mute off ; /usr/bin/v4l$ |
| 08:10.42 | PointyPumper | run update-modules |
| 08:10.58 | PointyPumper | but, the parameters are not bein used |
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| 08:11.04 | PointyPumper | any idea? |
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| 08:14.24 | fanne | morning |
| 08:14.31 | unlink | hi |
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| 08:15.00 | fanne | I know it's a small chance :) but anyone here using backport of nagios2.5 on debian stable system ? |
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| 08:16.53 | hcy | sep: restarted client's nfs-common, now i see portmapper and status when i run rpcinfo on the server, but nothing else |
| 08:16.53 | unlink | same for -lssl |
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| 08:18.52 | sep | hcy, does it mount faster now ? or still just as slow ? |
| 08:19.39 | hcy | sep: fast at the moment |
| 08:19.57 | sep | hcy, umm what what the problem again ? :] |
| 08:20.03 | hcy | sep: thanks :) |
| 08:20.29 | hcy | sep: did we actually do anything, though? won't this just happen again next time i boot up? |
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| 08:20.53 | sep | hcy, i dont know what you did. as long as the services needed start at boot it should be ok |
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| 08:21.03 | sep | hcy, expecial nfs-common and portmap |
| 08:21.12 | hcy | sep: ok, thanks |
| 08:21.16 | sep | try it :) |
| 08:21.22 | hcy | ok |
| 08:21.31 | sep | hcy, just check lsmod, do you have a lockd there ? |
| 08:21.41 | hcy | on which, client or server? |
| 08:21.46 | sep | i _think_ that is what does the nlockmgr |
| 08:21.52 | sep | hcy, both and compare :) |
| 08:21.57 | sep | since you have it on one and not the other |
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| 08:22.39 | hcy | sep: client has lockd |
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| 08:23.00 | hcy | sep: i restarted my server to test the mounting so i don't know yet about lsmod on server |
| 08:23.15 | sep | ah ok |
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| 08:25.50 | hcy | sep: strange, lsmod on my server doesn't show ANY modules. perhaps gentoo works differently? or perhaps everything is in its kernel? |
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| 08:26.08 | sep | hcy, i think itdoes yes |
| 08:26.18 | sep | hcy it's part of the 0.2% performance gain |
| 08:26.20 | sep | :) |
| 08:27.11 | sep | so after 2 years of uptime, you have _maybee_ regained the time it took to compile it in the first place :) |
| 08:27.21 | hcy | sep: :) |
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| 08:27.57 | hcy | brb |
| 08:28.02 | sobersabre | hi. I have a network under IPS, and it blocks things it doesn't have in 'allow' list. I need to test something, and I don't know how to do this. I need to simulate FTP sessions, but the originating ports of clients need to be controlled somehow. Is there a network tool that allows such thing ? ( I know only netcat and nmap ) |
| 08:28.36 | sobersabre | I mean: I need to test connectivity on certain ports, but I cannot just probe it with syn. |
| 08:28.49 | sobersabre | I must establish FTP session. |
| 08:28.54 | sobersabre | hmm.... |
| 08:29.19 | cusco | telnet? |
| 08:30.00 | sobersabre | cusco... are you talking to me ? |
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| 08:30.30 | cusco | hmmm better say NO :p |
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| 08:30.57 | sobersabre | were you talking to me then ? |
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| 08:31.37 | nayyares | is there any command for mv, as scp for cp? |
| 08:32.01 | mentor | scp && rm |
| 08:32.17 | sobersabre | nayyares: ssh <host> rm |
| 08:32.39 | mentor | -c |
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| 08:33.05 | sobersabre | and if you need to mv to remote host... scp name1 host:/path/name2 |
| 08:33.21 | mentor | nayyares: It doesn't make sense to have a seperate move command because you can't shortcut by just changing the tag on the data, you have to copy and remove it |
| 08:33.24 | sobersabre | as mentor has stated. |
| 08:33.42 | hcy | sep: so, i rebooted my client. again, mounting the nfs drives takes forever. and it doesn't do it automatically even though they're in the fstab |
| 08:33.54 | sep | hcy, and rpcinfo say ? |
| 08:34.11 | sobersabre | hcy: how is your resolving implemented ? |
| 08:34.33 | sobersabre | sep, if there was a problem with rpcinfo, he wouldn't be able to mount. |
| 08:34.44 | sobersabre | I mean if there were a problem |
| 08:35.30 | hcy | sep, sobersabre: on client, looks the same. on server, i get: "rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused" |
| 08:35.34 | nayyares | mentor, i was woundering that whether is there any command that do both togather :) |
| 08:35.45 | nayyares | mentor, any ways thanks |
| 08:36.12 | sobersabre | hcy: well, you need to have portmapper after statd, mountd and nfsd are up. |
| 08:36.14 | mentor | nayyares: Use The Shell, Luke |
| 08:36.18 | mazzanet | hmm |
| 08:36.19 | sobersabre | then they get registered. |
| 08:36.20 | sep | hcy, check that portmap is running on both sides. |
| 08:36.23 | mazzanet | just updated udev |
| 08:36.26 | sep | add to boot scripts if neccesary |
| 08:36.29 | mazzanet | and it told me to purge hotplug |
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| 08:36.40 | sobersabre | sep: very weird situation... |
| 08:36.58 | sep | hcy, should be automagicaly in the debian box. on the gentoo i have no clue to how they do it |
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| 08:38.35 | hcy | sobersabre: how's that done? how do i check that? |
| 08:39.28 | sobersabre | portmapper picks up already running RPC services. |
| 08:39.50 | sobersabre | if you start them after portmapper is already up, they get "not registered" error |
| 08:40.16 | sobersabre | because you connect to portmapper, and ask it to give pointer to non registered service. |
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| 08:40.21 | hcy | sobersabre: how do i check what order they're starting in? look in /etc/rc2.d ? |
| 08:40.31 | sobersabre | hcy: yes. |
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| 08:40.47 | sobersabre | depends on your default "runlevel" |
| 08:40.49 | wols_ | !sysvinit |
| 08:40.49 | dpkg | somebody said sysvinit was zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
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| 08:41.34 | hcy | sobersabre: i don't see a link to portmap in rc2.d |
| 08:41.46 | hcy | is it run by itself or part of some other daemon? |
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| 08:42.20 | sobersabre | hcy: portmapper is run via its own script. |
| 08:42.26 | hcy | maybe it's not being run at all on startup? would that be? |
| 08:42.35 | sobersabre | and nfs related daemons are run by nfs related scripts, or networking script |
| 08:42.40 | hcy | something removed it from /etc/rc2.d ? |
| 08:42.51 | sobersabre | hcy: what ? portmap or the rest ? |
| 08:42.56 | hcy | portmap |
| 08:42.59 | sobersabre | then use update-rc.d |
| 08:43.06 | hcy | i see nfs-common |
| 08:43.10 | hcy | but no portmap |
| 08:43.34 | sobersabre | try grepping for portmap in networking script too. |
| 08:43.44 | sobersabre | try grepping for it in /etc/init.d |
| 08:44.45 | wols_ | it's called ???portmapper |
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| 08:45.39 | hcy | sobersabre: i have /etc/init.d/portmap |
| 08:46.01 | hcy | and there's some checkportmap in /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 08:47.19 | hcy | so i should add a link to portmap? |
| 08:47.23 | hcy | sobersabre: ^ |
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| 08:50.03 | wols_ | hcy: cd /etc; find . -name ???portmap* |
| 08:50.09 | wols_ | what does it say? |
| 08:50.18 | wols_ | and result there starting with "S"? |
| 08:50.36 | hcy | wols_: nothing |
| 08:50.52 | wols_ | have you removed portmapper before? |
| 08:51.20 | hcy | wols_: not that i recall |
| 08:51.42 | wols_ | well install it and if it still doesn't show up, man update-rc.d |
| 08:52.33 | hcy | ok |
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| 08:55.34 | Zic_ | I have a question: why the installer try to install Gnome + KDE in my Debian Sarge ? I've choose "Graphic Environnements" in the installer ... |
| 08:56.59 | SlayerXP | Zic_: you have answered your own question |
| 08:57.45 | Zic_ | SlayerXP: so, thx |
| 08:58.46 | dimir | \o/ |
| 08:59.35 | fanne | SlayerXP :) |
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| 09:02.17 | phpnuborn | ok.. who uses vsftpd on a daily basis? |
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| 09:02.39 | c00lfon | Zic_, Try expert mode, to get most detailed(?) choice. (sorry 4 my english ;p) |
| 09:02.57 | c00lfon | !ask phpnuborn |
| 09:03.06 | c00lfon | Ups. ;> |
| 09:03.12 | c00lfon | !ask |
| 09:03.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:03.15 | Zic_ | c00lfon: I think it :) It's the first time I choose this mode ... |
| 09:03.16 | hcy | so, adding portmap to my startup scripts using update-rc.d works. except that my nfs drives don't mount automatically even though they're in the fstab. question - who's responsible for mounting the fstab? is maybe my portmap link too late in the rc2.d directory so that when it's run, fstab's already been mounted and therefore the nfs drives don't show up? |
| 09:03.37 | phpnuborn | i did ask a question |
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| 09:03.54 | Zic_ | c00lfon: I'm french so ... :) |
| 09:04.15 | phpnuborn | anyway.. how do i config vsftpd for each user? |
| 09:04.21 | SPOPPO | ?? |
| 09:05.28 | sep | hcy, my debian mounts nfs mounts at /etc/rcS.d/S45 and it starts portmap at S43 |
| 09:05.43 | sep | ie not in rc2.d |
| 09:05.57 | hcy | sep: ok i'll manually change that |
| 09:06.29 | c00lfon | Zic_, I'm polish. ;P My girlfriend study french, so i known few words. ;p |
| 09:06.36 | fanne | croque monsieur |
| 09:06.43 | Zic_ | fanne: huhu |
| 09:06.58 | hcy | sep: the really strange thing is that all this worked fine until i switched routers. so i really don't get what caused this. |
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| 09:07.44 | hcy | but anyway, now that this is working i move on to my next question: how do i get a Netgear pcmcia wireless card to work in debian? |
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| 09:07.57 | sep | hcy, well we dont for sure :) must have been something with the fallback method and how it resolves, perhaps your other router retunerd faster with a no such host... or something. |
| 09:08.38 | hcy | anybody here successful using wireless in debian? |
| 09:08.56 | Nico | Hello everybody, do you have any idea of how will we have firefox (or iceweasel) 2 on the apt ? |
| 09:14.15 | Zic_ | I have an other question : The mode who I have choose, it's use GDM or KDM finally ? |
| 09:14.21 | Zic_ | default ? |
| 09:14.40 | phpnuborn | linux lets you setup users? is it done differently in different distros? |
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| 09:17.19 | wols_ | phpnuborn: man adduser |
| 09:17.32 | phpnuborn | ok |
| 09:17.42 | Illiyah | adduser username, passwd username done :D |
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| 09:18.54 | wols_ | phpnuborn: and about vsftpd: ask a real question, not a poll |
| 09:19.10 | Illiyah | obvisouly glftpd owns vsftpd |
| 09:19.21 | wols_ | Illiyah: non free software |
| 09:19.25 | itom | in /usr/include/stdlib.h I found a declaration of rand() function, where I can find the source? |
| 09:19.27 | wols_ | and what you say is wrong too |
| 09:19.38 | wols_ | itom: libc6 source |
| 09:19.43 | Illiyah | true wols_, but then I was only saying my opnion |
| 09:20.06 | phpnuborn | ok.. do i need to create users at the OS level to create users in vsftpd ? |
| 09:20.15 | wols_ | yes |
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| 09:20.35 | wols_ | I wouldnÄt give them shells however |
| 09:20.54 | phpnuborn | nope |
| 09:20.57 | phpnuborn | just ftp |
| 09:21.37 | wols_ | then set their shells to /bin/false |
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| 09:24.12 | itom | wols_, I'm lost; I must dowload libc6-dev? |
| 09:24.27 | wols_ | no. libc6 sources |
| 09:24.35 | wols_ | apt-get source |
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| 09:26.00 | phpnuborn | how do i know what directory to give ftp users access to? |
| 09:26.13 | itom | wols_, so I run "apt-get source libc6"? |
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| 09:26.27 | wols_ | itom: obviously you first run man apt-get |
| 09:26.29 | Zap-W | what is the "-" in mail.* -/var/log/mail.log |
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| 09:27.46 | wols_ | man syslog.conf |
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| 09:28.04 | wols_ | and next time ask where this line occurs |
| 09:28.11 | wols_ | /ask/tell us/ |
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| 09:30.37 | phpnuborn | su is superuser? |
| 09:30.46 | Illiyah | sudo -s! |
| 09:30.48 | Illiyah | ;) |
| 09:30.56 | inspired | any initramfs gurus here? although I add my module bcraid to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and issue update-initramfs the bcraid module is still not placed in the new initrd |
| 09:31.14 | inspired | other modules I specify in the modules file are added |
| 09:31.22 | Zap-W | wols_: i cant find it there |
| 09:31.27 | wols_ | phpnuborn: su is the "switch user" command. you can switch to root with it |
| 09:31.37 | wols_ | Zap-W: then look harder. I did |
| 09:31.54 | Zap-W | wols_: you found it? |
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| 09:32.26 | wols_ | yes i did. and if I can, so you do too |
| 09:33.00 | Zap-W | ok |
| 09:33.09 | konami | how i can install latest xfce in debian stable.. because in debian stable packages xfce4 i pretty old |
| 09:33.20 | Illiyah | from source? |
| 09:33.28 | inspired | konami, use testing |
| 09:33.34 | Guerin | konami: backports.org |
| 09:33.43 | Guerin | but if you want new and shiny, don't bother with stable |
| 09:34.08 | konami | yea |
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| 09:35.34 | itom | wols_, finally I found it! thanks /glibc-2.3.6.ds1/glibc-2.3.6/stdlib/ |
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| 09:54.41 | aRJAy | just d/led CD1 |
| 09:55.10 | sep | will the linux kernel talk to the swap area periodicaly, even if there is no need to swap in/out anything ? i ask becouse i use swap over nbd, and nbd leaves the swapfiles on the server unless i specify a idle timeout variable. but when there is no need of swap it's removed and the client dont like having swap pulled out unde it's feet. |
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| 09:58.41 | aRJAy | P3 400Mhz for Debian :) |
| 09:59.02 | Tallu | Should be more than enough :) |
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| 10:00.55 | aRJAy | ya reckon? |
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| 10:07.59 | phpnuborn | [04:21] <wols_> then set their shells to /bin/false <<- how do i do that? |
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| 10:09.16 | wols_ | man chsh and use it as root when you run it |
| 10:09.46 | wols_ | sep: don't think it idoes |
| 10:09.58 | wols_ | and swap across the network, not sure if I like that... |
| 10:10.11 | wols_ | what is nbd btw? |
| 10:10.46 | sep | wols_, network block device |
| 10:10.57 | sep | wols_, thin client with no harddrive |
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| 10:14.18 | pelzi_ | why not swap over net |
| 10:14.57 | sep | pelzi_, 1: you can read out the data in the swap area unless it's encrypted ? |
| 10:15.03 | wols_ | feels like too much can go wrong. like it does with his thin client :) |
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| 10:15.21 | wols_ | yes you can |
| 10:15.51 | sep | wols_, well i can script a 'remove the ones not in use anylonger during the night' but i'd prefer a less hackish solution |
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| 10:16.31 | wols_ | still hackish but better: make a swapfile on that nbd |
| 10:16.46 | wols_ | and make another small file which you periodically write/touch |
| 10:17.00 | diazepam | anyone know how to install tun/tap device? just installed openvpn and the docs say it should automatically do this ... bit alas |
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| 10:19.20 | pelzi_ | you can also sniff passwords on the keyboard cable |
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| 10:19.36 | pelzi_ | no different from a thin client net |
| 10:19.56 | tralala | I can sniff passwords on the air |
| 10:20.05 | sep | pelzi_, ofcouse, but that require physical access. |
| 10:20.12 | sep | you can also beat it out of your classmate |
| 10:20.35 | tralala | that's why I pwn3d everyone! |
| 10:20.44 | pelzi_ | you missed the point... |
| 10:21.08 | pelzi_ | why give phys. access to a thin client network |
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| 10:21.52 | sep | pelzi_, how else will the users use the thin clients? |
| 10:23.11 | pelzi_ | they only access their own |
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| 10:23.37 | pelzi_ | that's no different from the keyboard cable |
| 10:23.38 | sep | ??? |
| 10:23.58 | pelzi_ | configure the net properly. |
| 10:24.32 | BSDnux | does the hostid (gethostid) change when the hardware configuration is changed? if so, which hardware is affected? hd, nic? |
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| 10:25.16 | louben | what i have to do in order to get removable storage automatically mounted?? |
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| 10:26.11 | aRJAy | What's on CD2 and CD3? |
| 10:26.28 | sep | aRJAy, additional packages. (software) |
| 10:27.20 | aRJAy | such as...? |
| 10:27.58 | sep | http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?list there you can view the contents of each cd |
| 10:28.19 | sep | exmaple of cd2 : http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=&l=ftp%3A%2F%2Fftp.fsn.hu%2Fpub%2FCDROM-Images%2Fdebian-unofficial%2Fetch%2Fjigdo%2Fdebian-32-i386-binary-2.jigdo |
| 10:28.46 | sep | aRJAy, point is if you have a network connection, it's much easier to dl the package in qusetion when you need it, then you seach for the cd all the time |
| 10:28.59 | sep | aRJAy, only those without network need the cd's |
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| 10:31.17 | aRJAy | I like the idea of it already.. |
| 10:31.33 | numer_ | can anyone tell me which device refers to the line in input of the sound card? |
| 10:31.43 | aRJAy | I can't imagine how many CDs it will come with in years to come :) |
| 10:31.44 | aRJAy | heh |
| 10:32.12 | blondie | aRJAy: they won't have CDs in years to come. |
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| 10:38.09 | aRJAy | blondie: what are they going to have in future? |
| 10:38.23 | pelzi_ | dvd's |
| 10:38.36 | blondie | blu-ray maybe |
| 10:38.54 | blondie | or something small for use with netinst |
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| 10:39.28 | aRJAy | nahh.. you'll connect your mobile phone that will have 40gb as standard.. |
| 10:39.31 | aRJAy | boom |
| 10:39.58 | pelzi_ | I'm certain blu-ray will fail |
| 10:39.59 | beardy | With the new thui installer you'll need larger discs. |
| 10:40.02 | wols_ | blondie: why would anything but a CD needed for netinst? |
| 10:40.14 | wols_ | 700MB netinst? 120MB is already a bit excessive imho |
| 10:40.19 | blondie | wols_: I'm just saying, CDs won't be around forever will they. |
| 10:40.25 | beardy | wols_: wols_ 700MB, hah. |
| 10:40.33 | blondie | though sayint that, we still have bloody floppy disks. |
| 10:40.39 | beardy | wols_: 700TB atleast. |
| 10:40.41 | wols_ | sure. not forever but quite some time since HD-DVD is still compatible to CDs afaik |
| 10:40.50 | aRJAy | hmm... tried sticking the CD in the box and it won't seem to detect it |
| 10:41.17 | beardy | wols_: Thinkingal User Interface will need some data. |
| 10:41.38 | beardy | wols_: (and the tards will want that in the installer, just as a gui installer is "needed" |
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| 10:42.46 | wols_ | well, the installer tripled from woody to sarge...so a etch one would be 360MB |
| 10:43.02 | aRJAy | once youve d/led the iso and burnt it, one should just be able to put it in, turn the box on and it should recognise.... yea?? |
| 10:43.04 | wols_ | and after etch, the CD wouldn't fit anymore |
| 10:43.12 | beardy | But the work it does will be the same, as always. |
| 10:43.19 | wols_ | aRJAy: no. you need to boot from CD. BIOS setting |
| 10:43.40 | aRJAy | gone into bios.. booting frrom Cd.. no good. |
| 10:43.44 | aRJAy | not recognising.. |
| 10:43.50 | aRJAy | prob with cd player perhaps.. |
| 10:43.56 | wols_ | did you burn as image/iso or burn the iso file as a file on CD? |
| 10:43.58 | beardy | Burn it sloooow. |
| 10:44.14 | aRJAy | burn as image... |
| 10:44.27 | aRJAy | beardy: i was 'simmering' the cd :) |
| 10:44.49 | beardy | aRJAy: Ok.. I don't know that word. |
| 10:44.53 | wols_ | is the CD drive blinking its lights at least when the box boots? |
| 10:45.03 | wols_ | beardy: using low heat |
| 10:45.05 | aRJAy | beardy: simmering = cooking sloooowly |
| 10:45.13 | beardy | Ah, good. |
| 10:45.26 | beardy | :) |
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| 10:46.10 | aRJAy | time for a new CD player I think.. |
| 10:46.23 | aRJAy | the old 40x aint what it used to be.. |
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| 10:47.08 | edrin | hi |
| 10:47.27 | wols_ | if you buy something new, buy a DVD drive |
| 10:47.41 | wols_ | btw: there are is "CD player" hardware in PCs |
| 10:48.01 | edrin | some technical question: is a SOAP webservice server able to notify the client about results? |
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| 10:48.03 | Skiver | !iceweasel |
| 10:48.03 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 10:48.31 | wols_ | edrin: possibly with ajax |
| 10:48.39 | wols_ | otherwise, html is a purely pull medium |
| 10:48.41 | edrin | ajax? what is this? |
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| 10:49.05 | wols_ | you talk about webservices and don't know about ajax? |
| 10:49.30 | wols_ | basically using javascript xhtmlrequest or whatever to do sites like gmail |
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| 10:50.09 | pelzi_ | that's not html, it's javascript. |
| 10:51.00 | pelzi_ | and web services are http, nothing to do with html really |
| 10:51.28 | wols_ | pelzi_: can you answer his question in another way then? |
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| 10:52.28 | edrin | pelzi_: thats what i mean |
| 10:52.28 | pelzi_ | yes: http is stateless, so 'no' |
| 10:52.28 | aRJAy | yea...I was right about the CD player... packed up. Inserted another one and it's working. Install has started. |
| 10:52.40 | edrin | pelzi_, wols_: soap is html. ajax: this is a stream will push support for the serverside, right? |
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| 10:52.40 | pelzi_ | you need to poll |
| 10:52.46 | pelzi_ | isn't soap xml... |
| 10:52.51 | wols_ | edrin: no it won't push |
| 10:52.54 | wols_ | and yes soap is xml |
| 10:53.04 | wols_ | edrin: but you can fake the push with ajax |
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| 10:53.26 | protocol_ | Hello everybody. |
| 10:53.57 | protocol_ | Is there any command for getting the installed linux distro? |
| 10:53.58 | pelzi_ | nthat's pulling |
| 10:54.17 | blondie | protocol_: not necessarily. |
| 10:54.20 | wols_ | protocol_: differs from distro to distro |
| 10:54.28 | protocol_ | wols_: ok |
| 10:54.30 | wols_ | most have a way but each is different |
| 10:54.36 | wols_ | are you running debian? |
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| 10:54.41 | edrin | wols_: yes, that's what i wonder... how does ajax fake these pushs. because you need some kind of push for these kind of applications |
| 10:54.57 | pelzi_ | and ajax has nothing to do with soap |
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| 10:55.04 | protocol_ | wols_: yes |
| 10:55.33 | pelzi_ | and ajax pulls. nothing more. |
| 10:56.10 | protocol_ | wols_: what is the command in Debian? |
| 10:56.32 | wols_ | protocol_: dpkp -l libc6 |
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| 10:56.49 | wols_ | that will give you a version which correlates with debian versions |
| 10:57.00 | aRJAy | base system = 61% loaded |
| 10:57.10 | wols_ | pelzi_: that'S why I said "fake it" |
| 10:57.23 | pelzi_ | I know |
| 10:57.36 | wols_ | and while SOAP inherently hasn't anything to do with AJAX, why couldn't you use those two toegether? |
| 10:58.03 | wols_ | edrin: it's the wrong place to ask here. google about ajax tutorials and the like |
| 10:58.47 | wols_ | protocol_: do you have the dpkg command? |
| 10:58.54 | edrin | wols_: well, just wonder how ajax fakes push... in fact the client has to ask all few seconds for news (as in example the jwchat.org jabber client does) right? |
| 10:59.22 | wols_ | afaik yes. however it won't ask for full html pages which means it's a lot less data |
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| 11:00.34 | protocol_ | wols_: I am normal user in this server. |
| 11:00.36 | pelzi_ | why would they... soap is too heavy for ajax |
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| 11:01.16 | Nico | Hello everybody, where can I found an iso image of debian for a K6 computer ? |
| 11:01.28 | edrin | k |
| 11:01.29 | Nico | do you have a link please ? |
| 11:01.38 | protocol_ | wols_: I tried to locate dpkg, I can't find it. |
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| 11:01.49 | pelzi_ | use json. |
| 11:03.21 | protocol_ | Nico: www.debian.org, K6, you mean AMD |
| 11:03.28 | Nico | yes |
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| 11:03.59 | Nico | but what's the name of the processor architecture ? |
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| 11:04.01 | protocol_ | There is no special image for AMD, as long as it is x86 processor |
| 11:04.31 | protocol_ | Nico: It's x86 |
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| 11:06.00 | aRJAy | hmm... going through install now... |
| 11:06.04 | aRJAy | Testing apt sources... |
| 11:06.19 | Nico | k, but so I have a problem during the installation, I've tried to install debian on a K6, It work fine but when the base-config begin (so after reboot) my keyboard is unusable, so I thougth this was because I was trying to install a x86 kernel on a k6 but you sed me it's not, so my computer is maybe defective ? |
| 11:06.26 | aRJAy | 0% [Connecting to mirror... etc..] |
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| 11:06.33 | aRJAy | not getting anything else though :( |
| 11:06.57 | wols_ | protocol_: then you don't run debian or a debian based distro. all of them have dpkg. try "rpm" |
| 11:07.27 | aRJAy | the ftp option that i've used doesn't seem to be workign.. |
| 11:07.30 | wols_ | Nico: what version of debian? |
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| 11:07.37 | protocol_ | wols_: OK, it's Redhat |
| 11:07.46 | wols_ | protocol_: there you go then |
| 11:07.57 | wols_ | tho, more than one distro uses rpm. not just redhat |
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| 11:08.03 | protocol_ | uname gave: GNU/Linux |
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| 11:08.08 | wols_ | uname -a |
| 11:08.11 | aRJAy | fark |
| 11:08.14 | aRJAy | it's in a look |
| 11:08.14 | aRJAy | :( |
| 11:08.17 | aRJAy | loop |
| 11:08.33 | wols_ | aRJAy: is your network working? |
| 11:08.46 | wols_ | e.g. can you ping google (ctrl+alt+f2 first) |
| 11:09.28 | aRJAy | wols: I haven't tried it.. |
| 11:09.38 | aRJAy | Im just going through the first set up |
| 11:09.55 | wols_ | then try? |
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| 11:11.28 | aRJAy | hmm |
| 11:11.44 | aRJAy | Idid ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 11:11.53 | aRJAy | managed to get to a login |
| 11:12.04 | aRJAy | and then pinged.. worked. |
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| 11:12.18 | aRJAy | I was in the middle of my initial install though.... hope I didn't stuff anything up |
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| 11:14.16 | aRJAy | fark it.. I have to get some sleep.. |
| 11:14.18 | aRJAy | nnite |
| 11:14.20 | aRJAy | :( |
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| 11:16.05 | protocol_ | RedHat way of finding linux distro: cat /etc/redhat-release |
| 11:16.21 | protocol_ | wols_: Are you running on Debian? |
| 11:16.54 | protocol_ | wols_: Could you check is there a similar kind of file in /etc/debian-release or something? |
| 11:17.13 | blondie | someone in #debian using debian? don't be silly |
| 11:17.29 | blondie | anyway it's /etc/debian_version |
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| 11:18.16 | protocol_ | blondie: I am not on debian machine. |
| 11:18.57 | protocol_ | blondie: I guess you don't have to be on debian OS in order to join this channel. |
| 11:19.14 | blondie | your logic is flawed. |
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| 11:19.58 | protocol_ | It would be difficult for a blondie to understand a logic though. |
| 11:20.11 | blondie | "a logic" doesn't make sense. |
| 11:20.22 | protocol_ | Not for a blondie |
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| 11:20.33 | blondie | tard. |
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| 11:23.31 | wols_ | protocol_: there is /etc/debian_version |
| 11:23.45 | protocol_ | wols_: Thanks |
| 11:23.56 | wols_ | protocol_: you have to be on debian to ask questions. so kindly go to #fedora or whatever |
| 11:24.19 | wols_ | cause we here really don't care about redhat |
| 11:24.32 | wols_ | if you want a distro agnostic channel: ##linux |
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| 11:25.23 | protocol_ | wols_: I don't want to make silly argument about distros. |
| 11:25.40 | blondie | good, as debian is clearly the best |
| 11:26.03 | protocol_ | wols_: I just wanted to know the command for getting the linux distro |
| 11:26.03 | CharminTheMoose | stupid n00b question:Is it better to select your windows partition in winesetuptk or create a fake windows drive? |
| 11:26.31 | protocol_ | wols_: For that I don't have to be on debian, redhat or whatever |
| 11:26.33 | wols_ | protocol_: and you already did, and we established you don't run debian and apparently don't want to run debian in the future. so what are you doing here? |
| 11:26.49 | blondie | protocol_: yes you do... there is no standard way. |
| 11:27.03 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: you can just use a directory can't you? |
| 11:27.07 | wols_ | CharminTheMoose: can help with compatibility for programs |
| 11:27.27 | wols_ | cause then you have various original DLLs in there wine hasn't to emulate |
| 11:27.58 | wols_ | IIRC win98 was always good for that. never tried 2k or xp |
| 11:28.34 | protocol_ | I appreciate all the linux distro, since all of them have got something good. |
| 11:28.46 | SlayerXP | except redhat |
| 11:28.51 | wols_ | again: what has this to do with debian? |
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| 11:35.55 | diazepam | anyone know how to install tun/tap device under debian? |
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| 11:37.16 | gnube | Is there a command, like modprobe, to determine if the UVC module is installed in my kernel. |
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| 11:37.47 | wols_ | lsmod |
| 11:37.57 | gnube | thanks wols |
| 11:38.24 | wols_ | diazepam: does you kernel have a driver for it? |
| 11:38.51 | diazepam | yeah its the latest kernel - when i do a modprobe tun - all is good |
| 11:39.02 | wols_ | so? |
| 11:39.48 | diazepam | so when i try to bring it up ifconfig tun0 up - it says NO SUCH DEVICE |
| 11:40.07 | wols_ | ifconfig -a |
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| 11:41.19 | diazepam | ifconfig shows me three devices eth0, lo and sit0 |
| 11:41.27 | wols_ | what is sit0? |
| 11:42.05 | diazepam | IPv6 over IPv4 device i think |
| 11:42.14 | diazepam | i never use it |
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| 11:42.58 | c00lfon | some kind of IPv6 encapsulation (in IPv4) |
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| 11:43.16 | c00lfon | if You don't known what it is, You don't need to use it ;p |
| 11:43.51 | wols_ | have you tried to use openvpn without the device showing in ifoncifg -a? |
| 11:43.55 | diazepam | yeah i think its like TUN/TAP (i.e a virtual network device) |
| 11:44.16 | diazepam | wols - no |
| 11:44.27 | jor | sitXX it's actually a generic 'tunnel' device, but yes, the most common use is IPv6-over-IPv4 tunneling |
| 11:46.09 | jareth_ | will 2.6.18 be in the repos soon? |
| 11:46.49 | diazepam | jor - any idea on how to set up tun/tap device under deb? |
| 11:47.41 | gnube | I have a more n00b-like question about installing the driver for a webcam. |
| 11:47.50 | gnube | lsmod shows the video driver installed |
| 11:47.54 | plutonas | could somebody please help me set xterm background to black??? |
| 11:48.10 | gnube | plutonas, are you using gterm? |
| 11:48.24 | jor | plutonas: 'xterm -bg black' |
| 11:48.36 | plutonas | gnube: no, xterm |
| 11:48.40 | wols_ | jareth_: depends which reos you mean |
| 11:48.43 | gnube | see above |
| 11:48.47 | gnube | :) |
| 11:48.54 | jareth_ | wols_: name 1 :) |
| 11:48.56 | plutonas | jor thx |
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| 11:49.06 | wols_ | jareth_: you ased no? |
| 11:49.31 | wols_ | asked |
| 11:49.35 | jareth_ | wols_: do you know a repo for 2.6.18 kernel in edgy? |
| 11:49.49 | plutonas | jor: when I start a new xterm the color is white gain |
| 11:49.50 | wols_ | there is no edgy. does not exist. go to #ubuntu |
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| 11:50.06 | gnube | is the Linux UVC driver equivalent with the kernel module 'video'? |
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| 11:50.42 | jareth_ | wols_: do you know a repo for 2.6.18 kernel in debian testing? |
| 11:50.55 | plutonas | how would I do that change permenant? |
| 11:50.55 | wols_ | no, cause it's not yet in debian testing |
| 11:51.14 | jareth_ | wols_: will it get in testing or not? |
| 11:51.22 | plutonas | jareth_: why dont you compile it your self? |
| 11:51.25 | wols_ | in testing? sure one day it will |
| 11:51.27 | tralala | jareth_, they say it will |
| 11:51.28 | gnube | jareth_, Eventually it will. |
| 11:51.40 | plutonas | I've done it in stable... |
| 11:51.40 | jareth_ | wols_: i'm just a lazy ... u know :) |
| 11:51.56 | wols_ | don't tell me, I can see it myself |
| 11:52.00 | jareth_ | i need ti for my sony ericcson m600i |
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| 11:52.29 | jareth_ | there will be a patch in it to acces the filesystem from the memorystick |
| 11:52.49 | jareth_ | thansk all ;) |
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| 11:55.36 | tralala | !support |
| 11:55.37 | dpkg | [support] please do not email us or call the FSF Office for technical support, or http://www.fsf.org/prep/service.html |
| 11:55.55 | tralala | umh |
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| 12:02.54 | tarzeau | did debian break sarge? |
| 12:03.06 | cydork | tarzeau: huh? |
| 12:03.06 | tarzeau | is it normal that debian installs netkit-inetd then openbsd-inetd? |
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| 12:04.03 | chemaja | tarzeau, did you also note the funny package states on those... |
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| 12:04.16 | tarzeau | chemaja: you too? |
| 12:04.18 | chemaja | tarzeau, i've raised a brow also |
| 12:04.20 | tarzeau | chemaja: the rc and ii ? |
| 12:04.23 | tarzeau | chemaja: since yesterday? |
| 12:04.28 | chemaja | tarzeau, but then again, I'm Siddin' so... um... yea. |
| 12:04.29 | tarzeau | chemaja: do you know who broke it? |
| 12:04.33 | chemaja | tarzeau, God. |
| 12:04.37 | chemaja | tarzeau, definately God. |
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| 12:04.40 | tarzeau | chemaja: but we have SARGE. (you know STABLE) |
| 12:04.47 | chemaja | tarzeau, oh. oh dear. |
| 12:04.53 | chemaja | tarzeau, you poor things |
| 12:04.54 | tarzeau | chemaja: well it's just pissing me off |
| 12:05.01 | tarzeau | chemaja: of course i run sid too, for myself |
| 12:05.04 | chemaja | tarzeau, (but seriously, i don't know -- i'm just a fellow schmuck) |
| 12:05.07 | tarzeau | and i don't rely on identd |
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| 12:05.25 | chemaja | i'm just your daily hacker, trying to get by in a RHEL world |
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| 12:05.40 | tarzeau | poor you |
| 12:05.49 | chemaja | tarzeau, indeeed. and no RHN updates. |
| 12:06.03 | chemaja | tarzeau, if-not-defined("hell") and all that jaz |
| 12:06.16 | chemaja | ;) |
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| 12:07.19 | chemaja | i tried to convince myself of debian's superiority for my work PC, but i failed. vmware didn't like my etch |
| 12:07.21 | chemaja | oh well |
| 12:07.35 | chemaja | back to fedora i scampered, like a good little high-numbered-slashdotter |
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| 12:08.09 | gnube | lol |
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| 12:09.47 | chemaja | gnube, (also, freenx is not yet natively packaged for debian, but yea besides those two painful omissions, i'm a debian man 'till the bitter end) |
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| 12:09.59 | gnube | w00t! |
| 12:10.22 | gnube | So you are really not a 'good little high-numbered-slashdotter' |
| 12:10.31 | chemaja | gnube, we're a new breed. |
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| 12:10.39 | gnube | chemaja, More like a nefarious high-numbered-slashdotter |
| 12:10.43 | wols_ | when does high numbering start? |
| 12:10.46 | chemaja | gnube, the numbers have rolled-around. prepared to be pwnd, bitch. |
| 12:10.48 | chemaja | gnube, ;-) |
| 12:10.49 | wols_ | AT WHAT NUMBERß |
| 12:10.50 | chemaja | gnube, jk |
| 12:10.53 | gnube | ouch! |
| 12:10.56 | CharminTheMoose | what is a high-numbered-slashdotter? |
| 12:11.01 | gnube | I get it :) |
| 12:11.04 | gnube | np |
| 12:11.09 | wols_ | sry about the caps |
| 12:11.12 | wols_ | !flagellate wols |
| 12:11.17 | chemaja | wols_, dunno. i'm a HNS, remember? i don't do math(s). |
| 12:11.23 | chemaja | GOD i'm in a mood tonight |
| 12:11.25 | chemaja | sorry folks :D |
| 12:11.27 | beardy | CharminTheMoose: Probably something even worse than a normal one, I don't know.. |
| 12:11.28 | gnube | Some dude who recently registered at Slashdot. |
| 12:11.36 | chemaja | i've been a lurker since 98 |
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| 12:11.38 | chemaja | i rarely post |
| 12:11.38 | wols_ | chemaja: I just wanted to make sure what kind of slashdotter I am |
| 12:11.46 | chemaja | i just like to sip coffee to the morning rant |
| 12:11.51 | chemaja | wols_, hang on lemme get my UID |
| 12:12.09 | gnube | so therefor most likely a n00b / fanboi / insert your insult here |
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| 12:13.09 | noj | howdy. I just upgraded apache2 from 2.0 to 2.2 and now my trac install is totally broken. anyone been through it and fixed it? fastcgi seems to have been removed in 2.2 |
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| 12:13.09 | xinming_ | anyone here used ubuntu? I just wonder a feature from ubuntu. :-) |
| 12:13.09 | noj | (testing/unstable) |
| 12:13.17 | gnube | #ubuntu |
| 12:13.18 | xinming_ | In ubuntu, When you sudo, You don't need to type the password again in a short time. |
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| 12:13.25 | CharminTheMoose | omg |
| 12:13.31 | xinming_ | I just want to know which packages contains this feature. |
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| 12:13.37 | CharminTheMoose | did what i think happen just happen> |
| 12:13.38 | CharminTheMoose | ? |
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| 12:13.39 | chemaja | i got +2 informative for this little doosie http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=202674&cid=16591518 |
| 12:13.48 | gnube | xinming_, Debian and ubuntu are different. Try #ubuntu |
| 12:13.54 | xinming_ | gnube: I know that, I asked, people just know sudo, |
| 12:14.10 | chemaja | wols_, ^^ |
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| 12:14.16 | beardy | CharminTheMoose: You farted, but it was more than a fart? Or what happened you mean? |
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| 12:14.24 | CharminTheMoose | the large amount of people |
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| 12:14.31 | CharminTheMoose | who left and then joined just a second ago |
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| 12:14.34 | CharminTheMoose | at the same time |
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| 12:15.00 | CharminTheMoose | see? |
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| 12:15.06 | beardy | CharminTheMoose: Just a netsplit. |
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| 12:15.14 | chemaja | wols_, you should love my URL, i rat on Ubuntu. |
| 12:15.16 | CharminTheMoose | it's kinda scary for me |
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| 12:16.02 | CharminTheMoose | lol |
| 12:16.27 | gnube | chemaja, Are you lookin' for trouble? |
| 12:16.39 | CharminTheMoose | am i being a mean bastard by vicously wgetting ibiblio.org? |
| 12:16.40 | chemaja | gnube, not really. mainly feedback on the ./ post |
| 12:16.42 | chemaja | er |
| 12:16.44 | chemaja | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.55 | gnube | chemaja, Seems pretty good to me. |
| 12:16.59 | chemaja | gnube, thanks |
| 12:17.15 | gnube | I kinda like the Ubuntu artwork though. |
| 12:17.33 | chemaja | gnube, it's not too bad. but just install tango-icon-theme and your 80% there :P |
| 12:17.35 | gnube | and as far as FreeNX goes, what is wrong with ssh? |
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| 12:17.44 | chemaja | gnube, i'm a GUI boy |
| 12:17.50 | gnube | chemaja, Ahh! |
| 12:17.57 | gnube | we live in different worlds. |
| 12:18.00 | chemaja | gnube, or, if you prefer... "lazy beyond all compehension" |
| 12:18.09 | gnube | Although I am using Xchat so I should talk. |
| 12:18.10 | chemaja | gnube, not really. i sit on ksh/bash all day |
| 12:18.21 | gnube | Notorious, I am sure we are not so different. |
| 12:18.27 | gnube | oops |
| 12:18.28 | chemaja | gnube, i admin a nation's radiology IT pretty much |
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| 12:18.41 | gnube | chemaja, Which nation? |
| 12:18.45 | chemaja | gnube, Australia. |
| 12:19.07 | gnube | chemaja, That is why you are up at this hour which is early in the US, but I am in Sweden |
| 12:19.17 | diazepam | night all |
| 12:19.22 | chemaja | gnube, pretty much. also, my girl "friend" is boring me |
| 12:19.24 | diazepam | thanks for the help |
| 12:19.39 | gnube | heh. |
| 12:19.47 | gnube | I am married so . . . |
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| 12:20.02 | chemaja | gnube, saying this, i probably should logoff... she'll be getting shitty soon |
| 12:20.06 | chemaja | gnube, later |
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| 12:20.27 | gnube | bye! |
| 12:20.30 | eml | Hello. I would like to find out if there's a possbility to switch to swedish keyboard layout and back to english with only two commands (one for each layout), this should apply for Xorg, I'm quite confident that there's a command that would do it :P |
| 12:21.07 | gnube | eml, Tjena. There is an applet to do it if you prefer. |
| 12:21.40 | gnube | eml, The keyboard indicator under Gnome. |
| 12:21.42 | eml | gnube, I'd like to do it through a command, because I'd want to switch to english layout when I play games :P |
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| 12:22.19 | eml | =) |
| 12:22.24 | eml | Nothing wrong with making suggestions though |
| 12:22.28 | Zap-W | does debian have tmpwatch? |
| 12:22.29 | gnube | ok dÃĨ, men jag vet ingenting om det. |
| 12:22.35 | gnube | tyvÃĪrr. |
| 12:23.25 | c00lfon | For what? |
| 12:23.27 | eml | gnube, How did you figure that I speak swedish? :P |
| 12:23.50 | beardy | Hmm, yeah? |
| 12:23.54 | gnube | keyboard layout from swedish -> english |
| 12:23.59 | eml | gnube, Well, what's the applet's name anways? |
| 12:24.03 | eml | Oh, lol.. right.. :) |
| 12:24.05 | gnube | Chances are you write Swedish |
| 12:24.17 | gnube | Swedish writing is harder than speaking |
| 12:24.26 | gnube | So I assumed you spoke and read it |
| 12:24.30 | gnube | :) |
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| 12:24.51 | gnube | eml, Keyboard Indicator |
| 12:25.14 | eml | Alright |
| 12:26.02 | gnube | eml, It looks like it is part of the GNOME applets |
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| 12:26.19 | eml | Yeah, I noticed -.- I found another program anyways |
| 12:26.51 | gnube | apt-cache policy gnome-applets |
| 12:26.56 | gnube | eml, Cool |
| 12:27.00 | gnube | eller coolt |
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| 12:27.16 | eml | :P |
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| 12:34.27 | cydork | !qotd0 |
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| 12:34.28 | dpkg | <peterS> abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing |
| 12:35.09 | beardy | haha |
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| 12:41.04 | RolandU | hi all! I have problems using my usb-stick. dmesg shows: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 508378405....... however on several other computers it works without problems. |
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| 12:47.50 | cydork | tarzeau: dpkg says openbsd-inetd is important but netkit-inetd is extra ... |
| 12:47.59 | RolandU_ | hi all! I have problems using my usb-stick. dmesg shows: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 508378405....... however on several other computers it works without problems. |
| 12:48.25 | tralala | RolandU_: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 12:48.38 | tarzeau | cydork: i say, debian broke it |
| 12:48.49 | RolandU_ | sorry for repeating it, I got disconnected |
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| 12:50.08 | cydork | RolandU_: do all the comps have same kernel? |
| 12:50.23 | cydork | tarzeau: did not! :P |
| 12:50.48 | RolandU_ | cydork, the same version, I am not sure about all the modules |
| 12:51.30 | RolandU_ | the one is my laptop the other one is my desktop. the stick does not work on laptop's debian, however it works on windows and desktop-pc's debian. |
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| 12:53.08 | tarzeau | cydork: broke it severely |
| 12:53.46 | cydork | RolandU_: which kernel is that? |
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| 12:54.10 | CharminTheMoose | what would debian be good for as a server or desktop or a mixture? |
| 12:54.31 | CharminTheMoose | or all round linux goodness? |
| 12:54.38 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: all three .. :) |
| 12:54.41 | RolandU_ | 2.6.15-k7 |
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| 12:55.04 | SlayerXP | CharminTheMoose: debian stable is especially suited to servers |
| 12:55.17 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: and workstations |
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| 12:55.27 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: it's universal |
| 12:55.35 | CharminTheMoose | aye |
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| 12:55.38 | aubergine | When a download is realized with a "php download script" so that i can not see the right url, how can i download it with wget? |
| 12:55.45 | cydork | RolandU_: using etch? i am not sure about the issue why but try upgrading the kernel .. |
| 12:55.51 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: for a fileserver with much load you'd want freebsd w/ ufs |
| 12:56.39 | Ronin | tarzeau: freebsd? traitor ;) |
| 12:57.16 | tarzeau | Ronin: debian gnu/kfreebsd ? |
| 12:57.51 | RolandU_ | cydork, my apt-cache does not display any newer ones for etch |
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| 12:58.16 | CharminTheMoose | would it be politically evil/mean to attempt to recursivly wget a site such as heanet? |
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| 12:58.19 | bkdd | Hi |
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| 12:58.58 | bkdd | I have a server with apache2-mpm-prefork and want to install libapache2-mod-php5(unstable). My system is 'stable' what to do now ? Is it unsecure to switch my system to 'unstable' ? |
| 12:59.02 | matsavhalev | can anyone tell me what the preseed.cfg line is to select Guided-use entire disk in the partition disks dialog |
| 12:59.30 | wols | !simple sid backport |
| 12:59.31 | dpkg | somebody said simple sid backport was 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 12:59.48 | CharminTheMoose | would it be politically evil/mean to attempt to recursivly wget a site such as heanet? |
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| 13:00.46 | bkdd | wols, is the apt-get .b source packagename required ? |
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| 13:02.00 | cydork | bkdd: did you check if backports has that? |
| 13:02.05 | wols | if you compile stuff, it helps to have source for that stuff |
| 13:02.26 | bkdd | ok, but I dont need the sources .. |
| 13:02.32 | cydork | matsavhalev: check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 13:02.59 | bkdd | cydork, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/libapache2-mod-php5 only unstable |
| 13:03.10 | bkdd | my "stable" hasn't this in his packet list |
| 13:03.18 | wols | !backports |
| 13:03.19 | dpkg | i guess backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 13:03.47 | matsavhalev | cydork: checked that, but the guided-partitioning question seems to be new as my old preseed.cfg dont work with it |
| 13:04.11 | bkdd | or can I simple download the package from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/libapache2-mod-php5 and install it with dpkg ? |
| 13:04.23 | wols | no you cannot |
| 13:04.32 | bkdd | why ? |
| 13:04.37 | wols | and it's the worst solution to your problem imaginable |
| 13:04.40 | wols | °bobbitt |
| 13:04.46 | wols | !bobbitt |
| 13:04.47 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 13:04.49 | wols | that's why |
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| 13:05.40 | bkdd | ok |
| 13:05.40 | wols | either use backports.org or do a simple sid backport. your choice |
| 13:06.50 | aubergine | When a download is realized with a "php download script" so that i can not see the right url, how can i download it with wget? |
| 13:07.34 | wols | there always is a url somewhere |
| 13:07.36 | wols | what browser? |
| 13:08.10 | RolandU_ | thanks for the help! cya |
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| 13:09.32 | Cometo | is it normal, that i have to write my pop3server password in the muttrc? Is this secure? |
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| 13:10.42 | wols | with a MUA you have two choices: either you write it in the config or you always type it in whenever you fetch mail |
| 13:11.11 | pelzi_ | do not make the .muttrc readable. that's it |
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| 13:11.46 | Cometo | Thank you ! |
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| 13:14.56 | Skiver | wols: how did you come out with that degree sign? |
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| 13:17.18 | wols | mistype. it's the key left to my "1" key on my german keyboard |
| 13:17.51 | Skiver | wols: i'm looking for a character map application, any idea ? |
| 13:18.06 | wols | no |
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| 13:18.55 | CharminTheMoose | why would someone want a backport from sid? |
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| 13:19.02 | CharminTheMoose | why not compile from source? |
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| 13:19.57 | wireddd | why not? |
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| 13:21.33 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: There are various needs for newer versions, that's reason for the existence of backports.org |
| 13:21.58 | CharminTheMoose | oh right... |
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| 13:30.36 | myesterious | Hi |
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| 13:31.11 | Hoxzer | hi |
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| 13:31.33 | myesterious | Should i separate partition for "/boot" ? |
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| 13:31.52 | myesterious | Usually , I just separate for root, home and swap. |
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| 13:33.25 | cydork | myesterious: /boot is good for various reasons like raid, dual-boot but it's toally your choice :) |
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| 13:34.23 | myesterious | aha, I have several OSs |
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| 13:39.50 | CharminTheMoose | not much happening |
| 13:40.00 | cuse | Hola! What's the name of the current testing distribution? |
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| 13:40.06 | wols | etch |
| 13:40.13 | cuse | wols: thanks! |
| 13:40.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:40.14 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:40.38 | tarzeau | the topic needs an update, 3.1r4 is there |
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| 13:42.20 | PointyPumper | la hna de q |
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| 13:42.27 | enouf | hands CharminTheMoose a box of tissues .. along with a box of blank spaces, for inserting between sentences/phrases |
| 13:42.42 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 13:42.43 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:43.46 | CharminTheMoose | enouf:What's wrong with my punctuation? |
| 13:44.13 | enouf | hehe .. nothing .. just the spaces |
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| 13:44.16 | Hoxzer | what can I do to make my self feel better |
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| 13:45.14 | jetscreamer | Hoxzer: join a self esteem improvement course? |
| 13:45.19 | jetscreamer | join a gym? |
| 13:45.33 | Hoxzer | :D gym |
| 13:45.36 | Hoxzer | gym might work |
| 13:45.42 | jetscreamer | (get laid?) |
| 13:45.44 | Hoxzer | but anyways I'm too lazy to go there |
| 13:46.02 | Hoxzer | jetscreamer: :/ I tried "make love" but I get "no rule to make love" :/// |
| 13:46.30 | jetscreamer | nobody said anything about getting married.... :) |
| 13:46.51 | Hoxzer | jetscreamer: :( but I'm already married to my linux |
| 13:47.28 | CharminTheMoose | when i type make love i get 'Inserting module 'penis' into vagina.c' and the output that stdout gives me is 'semen' |
| 13:47.30 | jetscreamer | s/get\ laid/get\ a\ life/ then |
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| 13:47.50 | Empiric_ | hi |
| 13:47.58 | Empiric_ | i need to install ,ysql 5 o debain |
| 13:48.02 | CharminTheMoose | *module 'penis.ko' |
| 13:48.07 | Empiric_ | i need source list entry |
| 13:48.11 | Empiric_ | can any one help |
| 13:48.14 | enouf | stuffs a roll of Charmin down CharminTheMoose's mouth |
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| 13:48.26 | dareth | remember, once you get a woman in your life, your technical advancement slows to a halt. |
| 13:48.43 | jetscreamer | Empiric_: would this be sarge? if so /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:48.51 | dareth | says the reformed former 14hr/day comp user. |
| 13:49.07 | dareth | see woman see a computer as competition.. like another woman. |
| 13:49.11 | enouf | a "used" roll .. at that! |
| 13:49.17 | Ronin | dareth: wait till little ones arrive too, its gets worse, or better depending on you pov |
| 13:49.20 | Empiric_ | yes |
| 13:49.25 | Empiric_ | its debain sarge |
| 13:49.35 | dareth | xlaugh, working on that... don't mind the trying at all. |
| 13:49.35 | CharminTheMoose | enouf:ewww. |
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| 13:50.20 | pelzi_ | it's better to be gay |
| 13:50.46 | pelzi_ | get another lappy for him and you can spend all the time you want together |
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| 13:58.25 | amico | hello, is it possible to run openMosix on debian? |
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| 14:00.20 | Vishal-Blr | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 14:00.44 | pelzi_ | without the quotes. |
| 14:01.47 | Vishal-Blr | ok sir |
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| 14:02.56 | tarzeau | amico: i think so |
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| 14:03.28 | heanol | there is a package that has a dependency to version x or greater for another package |
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| 14:03.43 | heanol | how can i force the first pacakge to install even if the version doesnt match for the dependency? |
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| 14:05.33 | solemnwarning | How can I make XFree86 ignore my USB keyboards? |
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| 14:05.45 | wols | there is dpkg --force-help |
| 14:05.52 | wols | but usually you don't want to do that |
| 14:07.26 | jetscreamer | i made an alien! http://linux.hfds.com/files/linux.jpg |
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| 14:07.29 | jetscreamer | by accident |
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| 14:08.13 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
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| 14:09.13 | rgsteele__ | solemnwarning: Not sure. |
| 14:09.41 | Howdy125 | Anyone have a repo I can add to get Gnome-Bluetooth ? |
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| 14:10.23 | tarzeau | Howdy125: did you ask google with +"index of /" ? |
| 14:10.34 | tarzeau | Howdy125: if not do that first, if yes, make your own repo? |
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| 14:11.09 | Howdy125 | Make my own huh .. lol .. I may have to .. ok ty tarzeau |
| 14:11.19 | tarzeau | Howdy125: huh? |
| 14:11.27 | tarzeau | Howdy125: nothing hard about making a package, is there? |
| 14:11.39 | tarzeau | Howdy125: or pay someone to do it for you? |
| 14:11.47 | tarzeau | i'll do it for US $100 |
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| 14:12.08 | Howdy125 | You're pretty cheap tarzeau |
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| 14:12.52 | tarzeau | Howdy125: cheap and paid is not the same |
| 14:13.03 | tarzeau | Howdy125: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-bluetooth/0.8/gnome-bluetooth-0.8.0.tar.bz2 , it's not hard |
| 14:13.17 | tarzeau | you can send the money with paypal |
| 14:13.18 | Howdy125 | ty sir tarzeau . :) |
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| 14:13.34 | tarzeau | btw, this offer is valid for any software. i need some extra money to sponsor some projects i like |
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| 14:14.27 | wireddd | openxchange? |
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| 14:15.01 | tarzeau | do you mean me? |
| 14:15.14 | wireddd | yeah, someone should package that up |
| 14:15.29 | tarzeau | wireddd: will you pay US $ 100? |
| 14:16.04 | wireddd | I don't know, i'll think about it |
| 14:16.16 | Braindead | me luv u long time,5 dolla sucky sucky |
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| 14:18.23 | wireddd | actually there already seems to be some packages for open xchange |
| 14:18.45 | wireddd | someone should commit them to experimental |
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| 14:19.16 | Koos | Hello :) Does someone know a good, free, hostingpanel? :D |
| 14:19.46 | enouf | what's a koo? and wtf is a hosting panel? |
| 14:20.00 | Koos | a koo? |
| 14:20.05 | enouf | kangakoo? |
| 14:20.28 | Koos | what are you talking about :P |
| 14:20.54 | enouf | ahh .. kangakook .. I get it ... erm maybe not |
| 14:21.00 | Koos | :P |
| 14:21.04 | Koos | a hostingpanel like Plesk |
| 14:21.38 | enouf | sees this turning into 20 questions |
| 14:21.57 | enouf | marathon .. Flask? .. it's like a beaker |
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| 14:22.36 | wols | a hosting panel is shit the world doesn't need enouf :) |
| 14:23.04 | dorel__ | Koos: there's ebox, havent tried it thoug |
| 14:23.06 | dorel__ | *though |
| 14:23.10 | enouf | wols: ahh ... like webmin .. my eyes have been enlightened |
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| 14:23.24 | Koos | ah, let's give it a try |
| 14:23.39 | bronze_|| | wols: a hosting panel is shit we techs don't need, but the rest of the world needs. |
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| 14:24.00 | Koos | indeed.. like resellers.. |
| 14:24.01 | enouf | like that other OS? bronze_|| |
| 14:24.05 | RichiH | what sftp capable ftp client supports recursive mput? |
| 14:24.17 | Braindead | lftp |
| 14:24.30 | Braindead | (mirror -R) |
| 14:25.06 | bronze_|| | enouf: yeah |
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| 14:25.28 | chkbsd | hi |
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| 14:25.46 | chkbsd | ive upgradet my debian box yesterday, now i become everytime when i start apache2 Invalid command 'AuthDigestFile', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 14:25.53 | chkbsd | known bug or something here wrong? |
| 14:26.00 | enouf | bronze_||: that's all the info I needed .. :-0 .. now onto other things .. like koo thumping :-p |
| 14:26.09 | bronze_|| | :-) |
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| 14:35.05 | gypsymauro | ello |
| 14:35.08 | gypsymauro | hellp |
| 14:35.11 | gypsymauro | hello:) |
| 14:35.37 | gypsymauro | there is a meta package for notebooks? |
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| 14:36.38 | cydork | gypsymauro: there is one in tasksel for etch afaik. |
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| 14:39.24 | gypsymauro | cydork: I suppose that do u know the name? there are many that can be :/ |
| 14:39.35 | iturk | hi there i am using the gui from an application and happens that i cannot see the letters from that application !! They are too small !! By the way the application its matlab !! Anyone can help ?? |
| 14:40.15 | cydork | gypsymauro: run tasksel and check :P |
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| 14:40.24 | the_mug | does anyone know what this means: Invalid configuration `make': machine `make' not recognized ? |
| 14:40.40 | the_mug | ::I'm on Sarge:: |
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| 14:40.50 | iturk | the_mug: install make command |
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| 14:43.06 | MegaByte | hey guys, a friend of mine using 64-bit Debian set /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory to 2 to prevent a malloc bug and he couldn't allocate any memory anymore |
| 14:43.07 | MegaByte | why? |
| 14:43.10 | bartos | hi, is it possible to configure cups for using an usb printer , while that printer is not connected?? |
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| 14:44.02 | xerophyte | is there anyway i can change all the users passwords other changing using passwd ?? |
| 14:44.42 | plutonas | Software that is placed in the public domain can be snapped up and put into non-free programs. Any improvements then made are lost to society. To stay free, software must be copyrighted and licensed. <--- I found thison the debian homepage... Now here is my question: |
| 14:45.20 | cydork | xerophyte: vipw :P |
| 14:45.54 | plutonas | how can we be sure that a non free programm that is available only in binary form, didn't steal any code from a free project. And if we can't be sure, why do we need copyright and licenses at all? |
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| 14:47.32 | ThomasPorter | Anyone know how to apt-get install mod_layout |
| 14:47.37 | tarzeau | plutonas: did you read the GNU GPL? |
| 14:47.38 | ThomasPorter | It says it can't find it :( |
| 14:47.43 | tarzeau | plutonas: you should, www.gnu.org |
| 14:48.23 | plutonas | tarzeau: yes but some time ago |
| 14:48.23 | Braindead | plutonas: http://lwn.net/Articles/95006/ |
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| 14:48.24 | tarzeau | plutonas: do you know any place where code was stolen? |
| 14:48.24 | plutonas | no |
| 14:48.28 | plutonas | but I am sure it happens a lot |
| 14:48.42 | tarzeau | plutonas: so make a list |
| 14:48.48 | Braindead | plutonas: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/enforcing-gpl.html and keep on searching for other infos. |
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| 14:49.06 | plutonas | Braindead: thx I'll lokk at your links |
| 14:49.12 | plutonas | tarzeau: a list of what? |
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| 14:49.22 | tarzeau | plutonas: places where code was stolen |
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| 14:50.31 | cydork | ThomasPorter: which version of debian? apt-cache search fails? |
| 14:50.32 | plutonas | tarzeau: thats what i'm asking. How do you know that source is stolen? |
| 14:50.33 | Braindead | plutonas: http://gpl-violations.org/ should be the final nail on the coffin. next time please inform yourself more if you wanna get a correct opinion on such big matters |
| 14:51.02 | plutonas | Braindead: ok. I asked here in order to inform myself... |
| 14:51.45 | CharminTheMoose | I have a problem with my ram:When I boot debian and go into multiuser mode,my entire ram is filled up and already i'm using disk space.WHY GOD WHY??!! |
| 14:51.52 | Braindead | plutonas: THE google comes in pretty handy. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/23/bush-says-he-uses-the-google/ GWB can,you should do to |
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| 14:52.11 | plutonas | Braindead: lol |
| 14:52.12 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 14:52.31 | bintut | anyone here familiar in setting up local apt repository? |
| 14:52.52 | tarzeau | bintut: yes |
| 14:52.59 | tarzeau | bintut: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/update |
| 14:53.01 | CharminTheMoose | I have a problem with my ram:When I boot debian and go into multiuser mode,my entire ram is filled up and already i'm using my swap disk space.why? |
| 14:53.14 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: what software? |
| 14:53.20 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: what amount of ram? |
| 14:53.21 | abrotman | !repository |
| 14:53.22 | dpkg | methinks debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 14:53.32 | bintut | tarzeau: i'm currently running ubuntu edgy on this laptop but i want this laptop to be an etch apt repository.. is it possible? |
| 14:53.40 | tarzeau | bintut: #ubuntu |
| 14:53.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 14:53.52 | CharminTheMoose | I have got 128MB of ram |
| 14:53.53 | ThomasPorter | Ah sorted the problem thanks |
| 14:53.59 | abrotman | bintut: you want to mirror the whole thing ? |
| 14:54.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not related to #debian |
| 14:54.14 | bintut | tarzeau: but, i'm planning that this laptop be a partial mirror of the debian etch |
| 14:54.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: he wants a debain etch repository |
| 14:54.30 | bintut | abrotman: i just want a partial if it's not that too complicated |
| 14:54.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: but it's complicated |
| 14:54.49 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/ftpmirror |
| 14:55.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: not your problem .. point him at docs .. let him figure it out .. |
| 14:55.07 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: and what software? |
| 14:55.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: true |
| 14:55.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can travel now! |
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| 14:55.32 | abrotman | bintut: if those commands don't work on ubuntu . you'll have to ask #ubuntu |
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| 14:55.48 | CharminTheMoose | tarzeau: I seem to be misunderstanding you |
| 14:55.54 | bintut | abrotman: what command? |
| 14:56.25 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: what software do you run |
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| 14:56.40 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: some software has memory leak, some needs too much, some not |
| 14:56.41 | bintut | abrotman and tarzeau: if i'll ask this same question to #ubuntu, they will just point me to this channel since i'll be setting up a debian etch repository.. |
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| 14:57.03 | tarzeau | bintut: well then make an ubuntu mirror on ubuntu, or a debian mirror on debian |
| 14:57.12 | tarzeau | bintut: and when you learnt how that works, you can do the rest yourself |
| 14:57.15 | bintut | tarzeau: that's it? |
| 14:57.19 | tarzeau | bintut: that's it |
| 14:57.19 | abrotman | bintut: yes .. but you'll be using ubuntu patched binaries to setup a debian repo .. we've given you the *debian* instructions .. |
| 14:57.27 | wgb | I can't seem to get XML::Simple to install via cpan, when it tries to make it, it says my xml parser (XML::SAX::PurePerl) is broken. It says to install XML::SAX::Expat which will make it the default xml parser. I have done this and cpan says its up to date yet I still cant get ::Simple. . any ideas? |
| 14:57.37 | CharminTheMoose | on boot it runs a self made script that basically adds about 200 more swap in the form of swapfiles on /dev/hda1 |
| 14:57.49 | CharminTheMoose | from pastebin |
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| 14:58.33 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.ca/230964 |
| 14:58.53 | dendrite | wgb: Can you apt-get install libxml-simple-perl ? |
| 14:59.21 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.ca/230964 tarzeau |
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| 14:59.57 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: no i don't want to see hundreds of lines of log messages |
| 15:00.22 | wgb | dendrite, nope |
| 15:00.26 | abrotman | i do! |
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| 15:01.32 | CharminTheMoose | riiiiiiiiiiiiight..... |
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| 15:01.59 | abrotman | what are we looking for ? |
| 15:02.24 | abrotman | usb is messed! |
| 15:02.33 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can have my USB keyboards attached to a dedicated TTY/console instead of the X server I use? |
| 15:02.44 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: patse the output of 'free' |
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| 15:03.10 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: and your kernel is out of date .. there's a 2.6.8-3-686 availalbe |
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| 15:03.33 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.ca/230973 |
| 15:03.38 | CharminTheMoose | freee |
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| 15:04.37 | Bhavesh | good morning |
| 15:04.43 | Braindead | CharminTheMoose: "which software" as in "are you running a full fledged KDE/GNOME/bloated desktop environment with lightbulbs and applets everywhere" not as in "which kernel are you using" |
| 15:05.02 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: are you running KDE ? |
| 15:05.08 | CharminTheMoose | nope,windowmaker |
| 15:05.15 | CharminTheMoose | but it's running on top of gdm |
| 15:05.19 | bintut | tarzeau and abrotman: what about using apt-move? i read the contents of http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/ftpmirror and it recommends using anonftpsync instead.. |
| 15:05.36 | abrotman | apt-move to move the whole thing ? |
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| 15:05.57 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: okay .. so why are you concerned ? |
| 15:06.23 | tarzeau | bintut: it's not easy to make partial mirrors. period. |
| 15:06.23 | Braindead | he's swapping! OMG /o\ |
| 15:06.25 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: if you run 'top' and sort by ram usage .. what is on top ? |
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| 15:06.34 | bintut | abrotman: i'm not sure.. |
| 15:07.14 | bintut | tarzeau: i just want to mirror etch's amd64 for main, contrib, non-free and security |
| 15:07.47 | bintut | tarzeau: and i don't want to include in my mirror the archs like mips, arm, alpha, etc.. |
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| 15:08.32 | abrotman | m |
| 15:08.33 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: capital m, press ? more instructions |
| 15:08.37 | vin` | didn't know digg ran debian. |
| 15:08.54 | abrotman | i didn't know vin` was takatumi! |
| 15:08.58 | abrotman | wait .. yes i did |
| 15:09.20 | CharminTheMoose | mozilla-bin and then XFree86 |
| 15:09.32 | abrotman | mozilla is a hog |
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| 15:10.04 | CharminTheMoose | aye,but what i'm talking about is when i boot up into multiuser mode. |
| 15:10.07 | Bhavesh | how about seamonkey? or whatever that name is? |
| 15:10.08 | CharminTheMoose | textmodus |
| 15:10.55 | MegaByte | Bhavesh: It's seamonkey |
| 15:10.57 | MegaByte | I use it |
| 15:11.01 | abrotman | seamonkey is the same as mozilla |
| 15:11.13 | Bhavesh | THANKS :) |
| 15:11.18 | Bhavesh | sorry for caps |
| 15:11.20 | Bhavesh | i used it once |
| 15:11.28 | cydork | !enter |
| 15:11.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 15:11.35 | Braindead | CharminTheMoose: have you got installed samba/bind/exim/foofoo/cups/kookoo/kakaaa servers you don't actually use? |
| 15:11.54 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: ps aux | wc -l .. what's the number ? |
| 15:11.57 | Braindead | CharminTheMoose: pstree or ps aux |
| 15:12.00 | Braindead | yep |
| 15:12.21 | MegaByte | Guys, do you have any issues disabling memory overcomitting on debian? |
| 15:12.33 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman:i got 75 |
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| 15:13.23 | abrotman | jeez! |
| 15:13.31 | CharminTheMoose | what? |
| 15:13.39 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.48 | Bhavesh | abrotman: i have 94 on this machine |
| 15:14.10 | Bhavesh | including screen, irssi, mutt, apache, squid etc etc |
| 15:14.11 | abrotman | Zap-W: depends |
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| 15:14.22 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: which one is using the most ram ? |
| 15:14.26 | Bhavesh | oh and setiat home, which spawns two process |
| 15:14.47 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman mozilla-bin is raping my ram |
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| 15:14.56 | cydork | Bhavesh: dont waste your resorces :P |
| 15:15.03 | sng | abrotman: I got 49 and I'm not even on Debian! Do I win?!? |
| 15:15.11 | Braindead | CharminTheMoose: you've got 128 mb of ram. you gotta swap anywa. live with it |
| 15:15.20 | Bhavesh | cydork: huh? :) where should I use that resource? :) |
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| 15:15.23 | dhuv | hello all |
| 15:15.32 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 15:15.39 | Braindead | "but they told on the telly that TEH leenox is light and works with old computerz" |
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| 15:16.02 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: stop using it! |
| 15:16.09 | abrotman | sng: only if you're running DOS :) |
| 15:16.31 | cydork | Bhavesh: folding@home lhc@home Einstein@home Predictor@home Rosetta@home :P |
| 15:16.32 | sng | abrotman: I win! |
| 15:16.41 | Zap-W | abrotman: in what? |
| 15:16.45 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: close mozilla .. see if it runs a big better |
| 15:16.53 | abrotman | Zap-W: what you want to do with SElinux |
| 15:17.07 | Zap-W | abrotman: create policies |
| 15:17.14 | CharminTheMoose | aww forget it |
| 15:17.19 | CharminTheMoose | i'm being a paranoid git |
| 15:17.23 | CharminTheMoose | like i am sometimes |
| 15:17.27 | CharminTheMoose | <.< |
| 15:18.23 | Zap-W | abrotman: i have no idea, i am just starting to read about it , i need to understand it for a test |
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| 15:19.10 | dogmeat | folks wanted to back up my win xp harddrive images onto debian box (separate node), is there a way to do that? |
| 15:19.20 | abrotman | Zap-W: then get reading |
| 15:19.27 | cydork | Bhavesh: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php anything on this list other than seti. :P |
| 15:19.27 | abrotman | dogmeat: smbclient |
| 15:19.39 | Braindead | dogmeat: partimage |
| 15:19.42 | Bhavesh | cydork: i run seti and einstine@home :) |
| 15:19.46 | Bhavesh | why don't you like running seti? |
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| 15:19.53 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: try to find a smaller browser |
| 15:19.53 | Braindead | and ghost4linux |
| 15:20.11 | dogmeat | smbclient would allow me to mount my file system, then how could i back up the image? |
| 15:20.29 | abrotman | i thought you already had an image stored there |
| 15:21.13 | dogmeat | no image, how can i create it? dd maybe? |
| 15:21.36 | Braindead | dogmeat: which part of "partimage" you didn't get? |
| 15:21.58 | dogmeat | heh, ok thanks ... to restore the image, can i again use partimage? |
| 15:22.23 | Braindead | no. once you do the image they're pretty much useless |
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| 15:22.54 | Braindead | just go on the homepage of the project. there even are screenshots if you don't feel like reading |
| 15:24.41 | Braindead | you should also check out Ghost 4 Linux |
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| 15:26.38 | dogmeat | does partimage work over smbmount? |
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| 15:29.10 | cr3 | how can I detect if there's one or more dhcp servers on the network? |
| 15:29.13 | dhuv | I just got a laptop yesterday that I installed etch on it. The wired lan is working fine but the winbond (W89C33D) wireless card is not working |
| 15:29.49 | dhuv | lspci shows that its there but I dont get anything when I load winbond_840 |
| 15:30.36 | pelzi_ | iwconfig |
| 15:31.16 | dhuv | iwconfig -a only shows eth0 |
| 15:31.24 | dhuv | dmesg only shows the driver being loaded |
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| 15:31.40 | pelzi_ | hmm... sorry, can't think of anything |
| 15:31.43 | dhuv | :) |
| 15:31.45 | pelzi_ | try someone else :P |
| 15:31.59 | dhuv | thanks anyway |
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| 15:32.22 | iostream | Hi. How do I reconfigure my hostname and domain name (as specified during install) ? |
| 15:32.34 | pelzi_ | see /etc/hostname |
| 15:32.38 | Braindead | !tell iostream about hostname |
| 15:32.48 | dhuv | this laptop has an amd turion in it, but I installed the i386 distro, would that be OK? |
| 15:32.55 | dhuv | it should work properly in 32 bit no? |
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| 15:32.58 | pelzi_ | yes. |
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| 15:33.07 | pelzi_ | avoid 64bit if you have to ask. |
| 15:33.37 | iostream | Braindead: thanks |
| 15:33.51 | dob1 | hi, there is a command from console to print text files, not the classic lpr, i don't remember the name, with this command it prints the files more better than lpr |
| 15:34.05 | dob1 | someone remember this command ? |
| 15:34.07 | dhuv | do you know which module I need in order to get the cpu frequency scaling to work? |
| 15:34.13 | pelzi_ | some kind of filter, probably. |
| 15:34.29 | pelzi_ | lpr doesn't print text files, it digests raw data to the printer. |
| 15:34.44 | dhuv | I tried cpufreq_userspace but powernowd still complains |
| 15:34.57 | pelzi_ | the world is full of software for printing text files, try a search. |
| 15:35.13 | dob1 | pelzi_: exact, what do you use ? :) |
| 15:35.17 | dhuv | because /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/ does not contain cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 15:35.21 | uwe | hello, im trying to configure a Kyocera KM-2530 on my debian/etch, i add the printer and have the ppd and everything ... but it just wont print, if i telnet to port 9100 and write to it, it gets printed, any idea how to debug this issue ? |
| 15:35.29 | pelzi_ | I print on windows nowadays :S |
| 15:35.36 | uwe | the printer is on the network ofcourse |
| 15:35.53 | pelzi_ | with what are you printing |
| 15:35.55 | dob1 | oh ok |
| 15:36.23 | pelzi_ | cups? lpr? |
| 15:36.32 | uwe | pelzi_, me? using the tool included in gnome, cups |
| 15:36.37 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 15:36.46 | pelzi_ | does the test page print? |
| 15:36.48 | uwe | no |
| 15:37.28 | Trewas | dob1: try a2ps |
| 15:37.48 | solemnwarning | How can I make my USB keyboards be attached to a dedicated TTY instead of my normal one? |
| 15:38.44 | uwe | no idea ? |
| 15:38.46 | dob1 | Trewas: it prints on landscape but it's ok , thanks |
| 15:39.05 | Trewas | dob1: it has lots of options, way too many actually ;) |
| 15:39.30 | pelzi_ | uwe: sorry, not really, I haven't used cups much. try someone else. |
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| 15:39.56 | uwe | um, well, i dont really know what the diffrence is , ill try lpr then |
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| 15:41.00 | uwe | uh, um, well i have options cups, smb, lpd and hp jetdirect |
| 15:41.22 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
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| 15:41.45 | pelzi_ | it's jetdirect |
| 15:42.05 | cydork | !tell uwe about printers |
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| 15:42.21 | cydork | uwe: check that site it might have more details about it.. |
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| 15:42.51 | uwe | thank you , ill be looking at it right now |
| 15:42.59 | bwlang | anybody seen something like this? I'm pinging two hosts on the same switch one host : min/avg/max/mdev = 1.263/663.989/1000.710/424.190 |
| 15:43.18 | bwlang | other host: 0.210/0.482/0.705/0.144 |
| 15:43.23 | Edward_TLS | bad cable.. ? |
| 15:43.24 | bwlang | ? |
| 15:43.47 | pelzi_ | buggy net card, busy host CPU, ... |
| 15:44.01 | bwlang | no load on either system. |
| 15:44.09 | bwlang | i guess the card or the cable could be flaking out. |
| 15:44.10 | cydork | bwlang: prolly hardware problem :) |
| 15:44.18 | pelzi_ | bad switch, cable, card. |
| 15:44.22 | Edward_TLS | duplex issue |
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| 15:44.56 | bwlang | Thanks for the suggestions yall - i'll give it a check out. |
| 15:45.10 | pelzi_ | try a crossover between them |
| 15:45.32 | phpnuborn | how do i check who has ftp'ed into my computer? |
| 15:45.50 | Ronin | phpnuborn: the ftp log files? |
| 15:46.11 | phpnuborn | they don't show up as a user? |
| 15:46.26 | phpnuborn | with some *nix command |
| 15:46.41 | uwe | oh, actually i was following steps in that page .. didnt help!! |
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| 15:46.52 | uwe | but hay, it just printed some rubbish , but it printed |
| 15:47.18 | d0uglas | you know what they say, one man's rubbish is another mans .. print out |
| 15:47.34 | Ronin | always thought it was garbage in garbage out |
| 15:48.12 | phpnuborn | ok.. next question.. anyone know what log file vsftpd uses to track logged on users? |
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| 15:49.02 | Ronin | phpnuborn: not to be rude but the one you told it to log to?, check in the vsftpd.conf file |
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| 15:49.51 | cydork | phpnuborn: /var/log/auth.log?? |
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| 15:51.08 | skidj | phpnuborn: /var/log/xferlog ?? |
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| 15:53.40 | phpnuborn | i did 1 command.. apt-get install vsftpd.. it downloaded, uncompressed, installed, ran it.. i didn't tell it 1 thing.. i'm flying blind as far as any edits since i did none.. but thanks i'll go look.. |
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| 15:54.54 | cusco | phpnuborn: look at /etc/vsftpd.conf |
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| 15:55.59 | phpnuborn | ok.. thx :) |
| 15:56.04 | riot | hmm. why does my php claim "Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()"? I've got mysql, php4, apache and stuff like php4-mysql installed already. |
| 15:56.51 | Ronin | phpnuborn: iirc its in /var/log/vsftp or something like that |
| 15:57.25 | cydork | riot: install -dev package for mysql |
| 15:57.59 | cydork | riot: nm |
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| 15:59.26 | riot | cydork: what package do you mean? libmysq++-dev looks very c++'ish |
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| 15:59.40 | riot | cydork: and there's no simple libmysql-dev |
| 15:59.44 | cydork | riot: like i said forget what i said |
| 15:59.51 | riot | oh |
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| 15:59.56 | Xteven | an snmp question: I want to execute a command with "exec" in snmpd.conf, but I don't want to hardcode the MIB. Can I specify the MIB in the output of the command somehow ? |
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| 16:00.54 | mUniKeS | Someone knows how to compile libapache2-mod-php4 to support large files(I've been compiled the sources from debian sarge)? |
| 16:01.15 | cydork | riot: do you have mysql.so in php.ini? |
| 16:01.21 | mUniKeS | and I have a segmentation fault |
| 16:01.24 | mUniKeS | no |
| 16:01.43 | tarzeau | how can i import my own deb src package? i don't grasp apt-src import |
| 16:02.02 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can have my USB keyboards attached to a dedicated TTY/console instead of the X server I use? |
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| 16:02.24 | riot | cydork: no. wtf. shouldn't that be configured automatically??! its in the comments. |
| 16:02.34 | riot | (oh, and btw. i'm having testing installed there) |
| 16:03.19 | riot | yah, thanks! That helped.. :) mysql_connect works.. |
| 16:03.20 | simon23 | hi - can anyone tell me why xine copies any viewed movie into my homedir ? |
| 16:03.34 | simon23 | people in #xine dont talk... |
| 16:03.42 | cydork | riot: :) |
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| 16:04.23 | bwlang | grr - i think my network problem is due to the network card in my new laptop. |
| 16:05.47 | riot | eeek. my cms is b0rked.. darn it. just by moving it to another server :.-( |
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| 16:08.10 | simon23 | hi - can anyone tell me why xine copies any viewed movie into my homedir ? |
| 16:08.17 | dendrite | simon23: Lemme guess; they draw pictures instead? |
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| 16:08.59 | simon23 | dendrite: no - xine just copies the movie into my homedir while its playing that movie... |
| 16:09.03 | simon23 | . |
| 16:09.47 | cydork | automated piracy :) |
| 16:09.51 | dendrite | simon23: Buffering, perhaps? Where would you rather it buffer? |
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| 16:10.40 | tarzeau | dendrite: /var |
| 16:10.45 | tarzeau | dendrite: ./tmp/ |
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| 16:10.56 | tarzeau | hey ElectricElf |
| 16:10.59 | pickcoder | ramdisk :) |
| 16:11.00 | dendrite | tarzeau: Yeah, that'd be my choice, or maybe /tmp... |
| 16:11.05 | dendrite | Or /dev/null |
| 16:11.08 | tarzeau | dendrite: no, /var/tmp, not /tmp |
| 16:11.14 | simon23 | dendrite: why? why dont other programms buffer that ? and they can play movies without stucking - xine stucks....when playing. |
| 16:11.18 | dendrite | tarzeau: Yeah, agreed. |
| 16:11.24 | simon23 | dendrite: wouldnt make much sense. |
| 16:11.32 | tarzeau | simon23: use mplayer? |
| 16:12.00 | simon23 | can mplayer get dvd's with menu ? |
| 16:12.50 | dhuv | can anybody recommend a good cheap miniPCI wireless card for a generic laptop (Medion) |
| 16:13.01 | dhuv | I am running Etch on it |
| 16:13.03 | tarzeau | simon23: i think they were working on that, dunno about the 1.0rc version |
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| 16:14.45 | simon23 | tarzeau: anyways its not as good as xine.... :-/ and there should be a possibility to stop xine doing so, undfortunately the people in #xine dont respont to my question. |
| 16:14.52 | iuso | sorry for the dumb q, but why are there 21 different CD isos for testing? |
| 16:15.12 | Ronin | iuso: every piece of software is on those cds that are in testing |
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| 16:15.28 | tarzeau | simon23: yeah the debian mplayer is horrible |
| 16:15.30 | iuso | am i good to go if i just dl number 1 and install what i need via dpkg? |
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| 16:15.35 | nash-20 | hi |
| 16:15.40 | Ronin | iuso: yes if you have a good connection |
| 16:15.47 | nash-20 | anyone have problems with openoffice? |
| 16:15.50 | iuso | Ronin: ok, thanks |
| 16:15.54 | mUniKeS | how I config apache 2.0.54 with php4 to support large files? |
| 16:15.56 | tarzeau | nash-20: yeah, which version? |
| 16:16.03 | Ronin | iuso: or you can even use the netinstall version which fits on a mini cd |
| 16:16.03 | iuso | Ronin: let me make sure: you mean the number 1 iso has a bootable installer? |
| 16:16.12 | cydork | dhuv: consider ipw2200, i am thinkin of getting one too |
| 16:16.12 | fanne | iuso : I always use the netinstall cd images |
| 16:16.13 | nash-20 | tarzeau, 2.0.4-5 |
| 16:16.47 | nash-20 | tarzeau, send me next error: |
| 16:16.54 | nash-20 | no suitable windowing system found, exiting. |
| 16:16.56 | iuso | where's the netinstall image for testing/unstable? |
| 16:17.21 | iuso | hm, sorry missed a link |
| 16:17.25 | wols_ | !etch installer |
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| 16:17.25 | dpkg | i guess etch installer is If you're having issues with sarge installers and hardware, perhaps you can try the Etch installer images? Find them at: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 16:17.36 | fanne | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 16:17.47 | wols_ | nash-20: do you run it under X and it gives you that message? |
| 16:17.48 | dhuv | cydork: I do like intel cards as they have great linux support. how do you think this card will be with an AMD Turion proc? |
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| 16:18.05 | nash-20 | wols_, yes |
| 16:18.06 | dhuv | it does not need an intel proc right? |
| 16:18.22 | cydork | dhuv: right |
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| 16:19.31 | dhuv | cydork: any idea of where to get one? |
| 16:20.06 | iuso | thanks everybody --> |
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| 16:20.19 | cydork | dhuv: ebay? :P |
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| 16:23.56 | simon23 | why cant i set my dma for my dvd drive ? (as root) |
| 16:24.20 | simon23 | operation not permitted ! who else is permitted to do so? |
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| 16:24.37 | Bhavesh | it could be that the DRIVE is not supposed to have DMA |
| 16:24.45 | Bhavesh | or the chipset doesn't support it so system didn't |
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| 16:26.49 | jharrisonwk | greetings |
| 16:27.04 | daedalus`plex | hey guyz |
| 16:27.34 | daedalus`plex | can you point me to a repository for libvisual |
| 16:27.36 | daedalus`plex | and the likes |
| 16:27.37 | wgb | apt seemed to freeze and so I canceled it and now I get E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? when I try to apt again |
| 16:27.38 | apt | that's too long, wgb |
| 16:27.42 | jharrisonwk | upgraded a kernel to debian's etch 2.6.17 and now the system boots to where it is trying to find the root partition times out and gives me a (initramfs) prompt |
| 16:27.43 | simon23 | Bhavesh: its a dvd drive with sata2 connection .... doesnt they have dma too ? |
| 16:27.44 | daedalus`plex | can't seem to meet the deps for amarok |
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| 16:27.51 | jharrisonwk | any ideas whats going? |
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| 16:28.12 | daedalus`plex | you don't have an inital ramdisk assigned to the kernel? |
| 16:28.23 | Bhavesh | simon23: sorry i do not know, i have never used sata drives |
| 16:28.29 | daedalus`plex | aka the "initrd=" in lilo |
| 16:28.35 | jharrisonwk | daedalus`plex: if I dont its because the kernel package did not do it |
| 16:28.37 | simon23 | Bhavesh: well - thanks anyways... |
| 16:28.42 | Bhavesh | simon23: sorry |
| 16:28.42 | jharrisonwk | daedalus`plex: grub |
| 16:28.47 | daedalus`plex | ah |
| 16:29.01 | daedalus`plex | maybe I should move to grub too. im just too used to lilo.. |
| 16:29.02 | daedalus`plex | :) |
| 16:29.09 | jharrisonwk | daedalus`plex: I would think without an initrd image I would get a kernel panic though |
| 16:29.25 | simon23 | anyone here knows how to set the dma for SATA2 drives ? |
| 16:29.34 | jharrisonwk | daedalus`plex: but in this case it boots and auto detects the sata controller etc... |
| 16:29.34 | cydork | jharrisonwk: which kernel were you using before? |
| 16:29.46 | daedalus`plex | ah |
| 16:29.50 | jharrisonwk | cydork: 2.4 and then a change to 2.6.17 |
| 16:29.59 | daedalus`plex | i had that once |
| 16:30.01 | jharrisonwk | cydork: not sure why 2.4 was installed on the machine at first |
| 16:30.04 | daedalus`plex | and you have the initramfs mounted |
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| 16:30.09 | daedalus`plex | and can execute commands right |
| 16:30.12 | jharrisonwk | yeah |
| 16:30.23 | jharrisonwk | very little commands are available though |
| 16:30.26 | daedalus`plex | well i fixed it when I changed my hda1 to sda1 in fstab and lilo |
| 16:30.31 | cydork | jharrisonwk: in that case sata entries change from /dev/hd? to /dev/sd? check the menu.list |
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| 16:30.33 | daedalus`plex | but it made all my other images unbootable |
| 16:30.37 | jharrisonwk | I was thinking on fstab |
| 16:30.40 | jharrisonwk | maybe I should check that |
| 16:30.41 | daedalus`plex | yea |
| 16:30.51 | daedalus`plex | but have a bootcd for just in case :P |
| 16:31.05 | jharrisonwk | cydork: hey I think you are right |
| 16:31.14 | jharrisonwk | 2.4 use to list them as hd didnt they |
| 16:31.21 | daedalus`plex | yea |
| 16:31.31 | cydork | jharrisonwk: yep |
| 16:31.34 | daedalus`plex | and you get kernel panick in the 2.6 deb images |
| 16:32.27 | hcy | how do i get a Netgear Wireless PC Card (pcmcia) to work on my laptop running debian? |
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| 16:32.37 | daedalus`plex | anyone here using ati radeon? |
| 16:32.44 | hcy | is there anyone who uses one that can walk me through it? |
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| 16:34.01 | SpComb | google? |
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| 16:34.20 | dhuv | does anybody know the differenc between a typeA minipci vs typeB minipci card? |
| 16:34.50 | dhuv | how do I know what this laptop supports? the current minipci card does not have anything written on it which would tell me what it is |
| 16:35.54 | Bhavesh | swors sounds like smores |
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| 16:40.53 | cydork | dhuv: #hardware might know |
| 16:41.08 | Web-Kanotix729 | hey... can anyone tell me why i can't access my digi cam as a user... root gots access... i tried to set the gphoto2 permissions but it didn't help |
| 16:41.14 | dhuv | cydork: thanks |
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| 16:42.39 | cydork | Web-Kanotix729: it uses some group like camera i guess |
| 16:43.22 | cydork | Web-Kanotix729: you dont use debian. do you? |
| 16:43.28 | Web-Kanotix729 | my user already belongs to that group |
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| 16:43.43 | Web-Kanotix729 | i use kanotix... it's a debian/sid |
| 16:43.49 | pelzi_ | did you logout... |
| 16:43.58 | pelzi_ | and that isn't debian afaik |
| 16:44.01 | cydork | muhahah |
| 16:44.03 | Ronin | Web-Kanotix729: perhaps #kanotix is better suited to helping you? |
| 16:44.24 | Web-Kanotix729 | they say it's a 100 % debian/sid |
| 16:44.34 | wols_ | whoever told you this is lying |
| 16:44.43 | cydork | Web-Kanotix729: we dont .. |
| 16:44.46 | fuffe | I have a question about GNU licensing and I want to be 100% sure that everything goes right |
| 16:44.50 | c00lfon | Web-Kanotix729, 1. find camera device in /dev |
| 16:44.56 | c00lfon | Web-Kanotix729, try ls -lha |
| 16:45.04 | cydork | c00lfon: you use kanotix? |
| 16:45.05 | fuffe | I am about to release a GPL project |
| 16:45.08 | daedalus`plex | hmm u guyz |
| 16:45.16 | daedalus`plex | how do you compile kernels in debian |
| 16:45.20 | c00lfon | Web-Kanotix729, add user to group, thats file belong |
| 16:45.23 | wols_ | !kp mantra |
| 16:45.23 | c00lfon | Web-Kanotix729, try agai |
| 16:45.23 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 16:45.27 | cydork | daedalus`plex: /msg dpkg kernel package |
| 16:45.31 | daedalus`plex | make && make make modules_install |
| 16:45.32 | c00lfon | cydork, No, generally FreeBSD. |
| 16:45.34 | cydork | wols_: damn you :P |
| 16:45.38 | daedalus`plex | or the dpkg way? |
| 16:45.42 | fuffe | so I have taken someone elses GPL-files, modified some and implemented them into my project |
| 16:45.49 | wols_ | daedalus`plex: no! |
| 16:46.02 | fuffe | what should I do for beeing legal |
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| 16:46.16 | pelzi_ | if you keep your code under GPL and release source, you are fine |
| 16:46.18 | wols_ | fuffe: release under GPL too. no other way |
| 16:46.25 | fuffe | I mean, should I have dual copyrights in each files? |
| 16:46.25 | manudeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.34 | pelzi_ | to be a nice person, also mention who made it originally and what you changed. |
| 16:46.36 | wols_ | fuffe: yes |
| 16:46.53 | cydork | manudeb: dia |
| 16:46.55 | wols_ | fuffe: only on the ones you took from the other project. but your projects as a whole must be GPL too |
| 16:47.12 | fuffe | wols_: yes, I will release in GPL(not the lesser GPL) |
| 16:47.23 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 16:47.31 | pelzi_ | you're fine if the whole project is GPL |
| 16:47.46 | pelzi_ | keeping the copyright notices Ãs a good idea, though |
| 16:47.55 | wols_ | fuffe: only the files from the other project need a double copyright. the stuff you wrote alone is only under your copyright |
| 16:48.06 | Web-Kanotix729 | ok i try that |
| 16:48.29 | pelzi_ | Web-Kanotix729: you need to logout and login after adding yourself to a group |
| 16:49.04 | fuffe | wols_ thanks for the info, can you give me some examples of how such licenses may look like(with dual copyrights) |
| 16:49.22 | Web-Kanotix729 | well the user was added and groups are changed before i ever logged on with this user |
| 16:49.52 | wols_ | just puz your copyright under the other guy's |
| 16:49.58 | pelzi_ | exactly. |
| 16:50.01 | wols_ | (c) 2006 guy X |
| 16:50.09 | wols_ | (c) 2006 fuffe |
| 16:50.11 | wols_ | that's all |
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| 16:50.21 | cydork | fuffe: check the http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html#SEC3 too |
| 16:50.25 | pelzi_ | marking what you changed isn't a bad idea either |
| 16:50.34 | Web-Kanotix729 | c00lfon: can't find it... :( |
| 16:50.44 | pelzi_ | and mentioning who should be bothered with problems with that particular file |
| 16:50.47 | fuffe | wols_: ah thanks! I was just going to do the opposite |
| 16:51.16 | c00lfon | Web-Kanotix729, hm... so You also can set suid bit on Your fav. camera program, i.e. gtkam. |
| 16:51.29 | wols_ | c00lfon: are you a kanotix user? |
| 16:51.40 | c00lfon | Web-Kanotix729, chown root `which gtkam` && chmod u+s `which gtkam` ;-) |
| 16:51.43 | c00lfon | wols_, No. ;-) |
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| 16:52.04 | wols_ | c00lfon: then how can you know what you say is right? and why are you doing all this in #debian? |
| 16:52.06 | pelzi_ | suiding stuff is not a good idea |
| 16:52.20 | wols_ | that too. it's a security risk waiting to happen |
| 16:52.24 | cydork | c00lfon: dont encourage this in #debian. Kanotix is ot .. |
| 16:52.48 | Web-Kanotix729 | well i use gtkam... i get access with root but not as user |
| 16:52.49 | cydork | !tell c00lfon about fable |
| 16:53.51 | fuffe | by the way, will ext3 be trashed in future debian versions? |
| 16:53.55 | c00lfon | wols_, Because all of this systems/distributions already have POSIX 100.x and all commands/permissions(/problems ;p) compatible. ;) |
| 16:54.18 | cydork | !based on debian |
| 16:54.19 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 16:54.22 | cydork | c00lfon: ^^ |
| 16:54.32 | cahoot | fuffe: why should it? |
| 16:54.40 | wols_ | c00lfon: that's great an all, but then do it in #kanotix please |
| 16:55.29 | fuffe | cahoot: it has no dynamic allocation of i-nodes |
| 16:55.35 | c00lfon | wols_, so we've to move other channels, when wants talk about debian, knoppix, kanotix, ubuntu and other debian-based distributions? ;-) |
| 16:55.51 | c00lfon | on/into* |
| 16:55.52 | c00lfon | sorry for my english. ;-P |
| 16:56.03 | wols_ | you don't have to go to another channel when you talk about debian |
| 16:56.12 | wols_ | the other distros all have their own channel(s) |
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| 16:56.51 | Web-Kanotix729 | ok sry for my question but i just guised that it's no special kanotix problem and no special debian problem just a permission prob.... |
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| 16:57.31 | cahoot | Web-Kanotix729: IF your distro is really debianconformant - all info you want is in /usr/share/doc |
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| 16:58.25 | Web-Kanotix729 | yeah there are lots of docs |
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| 16:58.59 | cahoot | Web-Kanotix729: right - they're there for a reason |
| 16:59.18 | Ronin | cahoot: take up drive space? ;) |
| 16:59.29 | cahoot | Ronin: ok two reasons |
| 16:59.42 | the_mug | why is libtool ANCIENT in sarge? |
| 16:59.44 | c00lfon | but useless. try google groups. |
| 17:00.07 | Web-Kanotix729 | ok well so why is there no stuff about gphoto2 for example |
| 17:00.11 | Web-Kanotix729 | just a changelog |
| 17:00.13 | Ronin | the_mug: its not, but remember stable only gets security updates not new versions |
| 17:00.23 | cahoot | Web-Kanotix729: libgphot2 |
| 17:00.27 | c00lfon | Web-Kanotix729, for example try http://42.pl/u/n7A |
| 17:00.27 | cahoot | Web-Kanotix729: libgphoto2 |
| 17:00.41 | the_mug | Ronin: I'm needing the latest libtool. should I just compile it? |
| 17:00.47 | CharminTheMoose | heh,what would happen if i were to delete /usr/share/doc?would i not have my docs anymore or would something worse happen? |
| 17:00.51 | Ronin | the_mug: try backports |
| 17:00.52 | CharminTheMoose | god i'm stupid |
| 17:01.09 | Braindead | that calls a qotd |
| 17:01.19 | the_mug | Ronin: I did an apt-get -t sarge-backports install libtool and said I was at the latest |
| 17:01.27 | CharminTheMoose | yay,i got qotd! |
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| 17:02.20 | fuffe | ok, there's another GPL issue.. theres a file that I took from the guys projects, cutted a bit in two pieces, added own code to it and almost completly rewrote it.. should I still have the original developers name in it? |
| 17:02.21 | Web-Kanotix729 | ok there's a solution that every user should belong to the plugdev group but my user already does |
| 17:02.22 | Web-Kanotix729 | ^^ |
| 17:02.29 | the_mug | Ronin: should I -> dpkg --purge libtool and try backports again? |
| 17:02.43 | Ronin | !tell the_mug about backports |
| 17:03.18 | fuffe | (by cutted in two pieces I mean made two files out of it) |
| 17:03.21 | Web-Kanotix729 | c00lfon: ok moment |
| 17:03.37 | jelly | fuffe: how big was it? If the code is nontrivial, I say yes. |
| 17:03.40 | cahoot | Web-Kanotix729: then chances are you're hit by a kanotixspecific anomaly |
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| 17:04.09 | fuffe | jelly: about 52kb |
| 17:04.12 | jelly | fuffe: or you can just rewrite it from scratch now that you've seen it. ;-) |
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| 17:04.41 | bkdd | Hi, i want to run imagick (image converter) witch support of the most popular iamge-types. installed nom manualy libjpeg62 and and and .. is there a packet which includes all these image-libs together ? |
| 17:04.50 | Ronin | breath CharminTheMoose before you hurt yourself |
| 17:05.08 | Web-Kanotix729 | CharminTheMoose: ok cuz they got a damn f***in support u know^^ |
| 17:05.12 | jelly | fuffe: sounds like a nice chunk of code. If it were mine, I'd definitely want to keep the copyright. |
| 17:05.12 | cahoot | bkdd: imagemagick |
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| 17:05.49 | CharminTheMoose | no actually |
| 17:05.53 | CharminTheMoose | they are quite helpful |
| 17:06.08 | bkdd | cahoot, cou |
| 17:06.12 | bkdd | i'm so dumb |
| 17:06.12 | cahoot | bkdd: doesn't support jpg2000 (or whatever it's called) though |
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| 17:06.34 | bkdd | searched the whole time for 'imagick' in apt .. argh |
| 17:06.43 | Web-Kanotix729 | CharminTheMoose: yeah sometimes.... sometimes not |
| 17:06.45 | jelly | fuffe: ... the easiest way would be to ask the authors, if they agree it's not their code anymore you're in the clear. But cut/paste and variable renaming does not the new code make. |
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| 17:09.34 | bkdd | cahoot, I installed now imagemagick but the error "no delegate or blabla.jpg" comes anyway |
| 17:10.24 | cahoot | bkdd: huh? |
| 17:11.30 | bkdd | :/ |
| 17:11.44 | bkdd | before the installation of the package I installed it via sources |
| 17:11.49 | cahoot | bkdd: you get that msg doing what? |
| 17:12.16 | bkdd | convert: no decode delegate for this image format `/var/www/document_root/image/20061031/2d56280b0a.jpg'. |
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| 17:13.43 | cahoot | bkdd: sure that's a valid jpeg? |
| 17:14.05 | bkdd | yes |
| 17:14.16 | bkdd | But i think i have the error |
| 17:14.17 | Web-Kanotix729 | c00lfon: can't query... sry but not yet^^ im tryin |
| 17:14.21 | bkdd | one moment please |
| 17:14.35 | c00lfon | Web-Kanotix729, ok. ;-) |
| 17:14.53 | bkdd | Okay |
| 17:15.16 | bkdd | cahoot, he used my old imagick version from /usr/local/bin/convert and not the new - via apt installed - /usr7bin/convert |
| 17:15.30 | bkdd | how can i remove the manualy - from sources installed - imagemagick ? |
| 17:15.41 | bkdd | is there any make remove option or sth. else ? |
| 17:15.53 | c00lfon | try make deinstall or smth |
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| 17:15.58 | c00lfon | see Makefile ;-) |
| 17:16.11 | c00lfon | deinstall, uninstall or smth like that |
| 17:16.28 | bkdd | ah ok, it worked |
| 17:16.34 | c00lfon | ;-) |
| 17:16.47 | bkdd | but now the command "convert" runs into an "no such file or directory" error, but /usr/bin/convert exists |
| 17:17.24 | c00lfon | Is /usr/bin in $PATH? |
| 17:17.54 | cahoot | bkdd: logout/login |
| 17:18.20 | bkdd | okay :D |
| 17:18.24 | bkdd | thanks for help |
| 17:19.03 | jelly | phoenix -> firebird -> firefox -> iceweasel -> what next? |
| 17:19.13 | cahoot | ie7 |
| 17:19.38 | cydork | jelly: smellycat :P |
| 17:19.42 | c00lfon | lol |
| 17:19.43 | c00lfon | :D |
| 17:19.44 | jelly | why not take a symbol and call it "browser previously known as firefox" |
| 17:20.07 | c00lfon | ,,Smelly cat, smelly cat What are they feeding you?'' |
| 17:20.08 | c00lfon | :> |
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| 17:20.30 | jelly | omg Friends are now popular culture. |
| 17:20.31 | c00lfon | Great serial. ;P |
| 17:21.04 | jelly | omg I wrote omg lol |
| 17:21.31 | cydork | !lol |
| 17:21.31 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:21.55 | pickcoder | omg I said it again.. omg |
| 17:22.10 | c00lfon | omfg. they said omg |
| 17:22.10 | c00lfon | lol |
| 17:22.11 | jelly | cydork: Sorry, it wouldn't be consistent to use omg and then bwahahaha |
| 17:22.12 | c00lfon | ;D |
| 17:22.13 | c00lfon | -.- |
| 17:22.25 | jelly | ^_^ |
| 17:22.25 | cydork | jelly: bwhahah |
| 17:22.29 | Web-Kanotix729 | c00lfon: ok thx^^ prob solved.... just needed a reinstall |
| 17:22.39 | Kerr | kekeke. |
| 17:22.41 | jelly | cydork: heh, heh, heh. |
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| 17:26.15 | Skiver | hi, any recommendation for lan traffic monitor tool ? |
| 17:26.20 | pickcoder | Yahoo mail doesn't work correctly with IE7 |
| 17:26.23 | pickcoder | heh |
| 17:26.28 | tarzeau | Skiver: iptraf |
| 17:26.28 | pickcoder | I wonder if hotmail does |
| 17:26.33 | tarzeau | Skiver: ngrep |
| 17:26.34 | the_mug | can anyone tell what could potentially be going wrong here: http://pastie.caboo.se/private/abhhfgldwuizoqzcqp ? |
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| 17:26.44 | wols_ | iptraf, ntop, tcpdump, ipac-ng, and a gazillion others |
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| 17:27.03 | the_mug | it's not libtool. or php. i don't think |
| 17:27.17 | Skiver | tarzeau, wols_ : something gui preferable. |
| 17:27.18 | c_k | hi all, anyone ever setup IOMETER on Debian at all? |
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| 17:27.32 | tarzeau | Skiver: iptraf is pretty much gui |
| 17:27.36 | c00lfon | Skiver, You would like to sniff or view bandwich usage? |
| 17:27.42 | tarzeau | Skiver: and ngrep requires how to use it |
| 17:27.48 | tarzeau | c00lfon: he doesn't know |
| 17:27.53 | c00lfon | :> |
| 17:27.53 | tarzeau | c00lfon: he just wants a nifty gui |
| 17:28.04 | c00lfon | Try netris. |
| 17:28.05 | c00lfon | ;P |
| 17:28.19 | tarzeau | driftnet |
| 17:28.29 | Skiver | c00lfon, I need something like iptraf, which lists all the ips in and out. |
| 17:28.29 | cydork | Skiver: bandwithd :P |
| 17:28.34 | wols_ | the_mug: why don't you use a deb package? |
| 17:28.56 | c00lfon | Skiver, Maybe You looking for smth like... iftop? |
| 17:29.14 | the_mug | apache 2.2.3 with php5 mcrypt-mhash etc.... |
| 17:29.37 | the_mug | wols_: because I need apache 2.2.3 with php5 mcrypt-mhash etc.... |
| 17:29.37 | wols_ | the_mug: you don't answer my question |
| 17:29.54 | wols_ | you can compile deb sources you know |
| 17:30.02 | wols_ | what you here do is simply breaking your debian |
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| 17:30.12 | Skiver | tarzeau, wols_, c00lfon, cydork : thanks i'll install and try. |
| 17:30.20 | the_mug | wols_: enlighten me please. |
| 17:30.32 | wols_ | compele a deb source, that's all |
| 17:30.35 | c00lfon | No problem. ;-) |
| 17:30.45 | wols_ | *compile |
| 17:31.01 | Web-Kanotix729 | ok folks g2g see ya ;) |
| 17:31.03 | the_mug | wols_: how do I go about doing this, I guess is my question |
| 17:32.15 | wols_ | !tell the_mug about nm guide |
| 17:32.47 | wols_ | !tell the_mug about simply sid backport |
| 17:33.17 | streuner | simple |
| 17:33.17 | cydork | !info apache2 |
| 17:33.17 | dpkg | apache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 17:34.23 | cydork | the_mug: even backports should have it, i gues |
| 17:34.57 | wols_ | !tell the_mug about simple sid backport |
| 17:34.59 | wols_ | streuner: thanks |
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| 17:35.25 | the_mug | got it. |
| 17:35.30 | freeman | HI guys |
| 17:35.34 | NoNaMeNo | hi to everybody |
| 17:35.51 | the_mug | thanks wols_ cydork I'll prolly be back. :-/ |
| 17:36.16 | freeman | Does anyone can remember me how make a tempory variable in shell's script |
| 17:36.20 | freeman | ? |
| 17:36.47 | sepski | how can i detect/list out the running X displays on a remote machine ? |
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| 17:39.44 | NoNaMeNo | I have a question that its not a linux issue(i guess), for what reason could I need a Mail server? |
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| 17:40.30 | c00lfon | NoNaMeNo, for send/recive emial on Your own server? |
| 17:40.37 | streuner | hm, question, why do you want send mails? |
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| 17:40.49 | NoNaMeNo | mm |
| 17:42.32 | NoNaMeNo | ok, I have a little network with 5 computers, everybody has their account in Thunderbird, but now i'm using MASQUERADE and I thought that maybe is better use a mail server app, im correct? |
| 17:42.39 | NoNaMeNo | have* |
| 17:43.27 | pelzi_ | nope |
| 17:43.37 | pelzi_ | if you have to ask, don't set up a MTA |
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| 17:44.10 | c00lfon | It is a joke, right? :D |
| 17:44.17 | NoNaMeNo | sorry, I don't understand :P |
| 17:44.20 | NoNaMeNo | c00lfon, no :P |
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| 17:45.15 | NoNaMeNo | im not sure but, does the Mail server app works only with your own domain? |
| 17:45.17 | xorl | hey guys quick question 2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp is having an issue on boot it boots fine with older 2.4.x kernel, but when i boot up it just hangs and says "IO" error, when ive done tons of testing on the raidarray/drives there doesnt appear to be any corruption/integrity problems |
| 17:45.24 | xorl | and of you have that issue on Sarge? |
| 17:45.39 | c_k | anyone here ever used IOMETER at all? |
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| 17:46.16 | wols_ | !anyone use IOMETER |
| 17:46.17 | dpkg | No, no one uses IOMETER, not even the people who use it. |
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| 17:46.29 | ryjax | NoNaMeNo: they can be configured to send externally |
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| 17:46.46 | wols_ | xorl: you sure you have a EMT64 capabale CPU? |
| 17:47.00 | xorl | wols_: 3.0ghz Xeon EM64T |
| 17:47.05 | c_k | lol |
| 17:47.10 | xorl | Pretty positive. |
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| 17:47.36 | wols_ | all it says is "IO"? |
| 17:47.40 | xorl | lm <--- cpu supports 'lm' |
| 17:47.55 | Flimzy | Are there any free alternatives to VMware? |
| 17:48.01 | NoNaMeNo | qemu |
| 17:48.02 | Braindead | qemu |
| 17:48.03 | pelzi_ | qemu |
| 17:48.05 | NoNaMeNo | yeah |
| 17:48.06 | NoNaMeNo | xD |
| 17:48.08 | Braindead | !wins NoNaMeNo |
| 17:48.08 | wols_ | Xen |
| 17:48.10 | xorl | just gives an IO error, sorry systems in the colo, id have to run back to the DC to check it out, my box just toasted on upgrade. |
| 17:48.15 | Braindead | !win NoNaMeNo |
| 17:48.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, NoNaMeNo! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 17:48.30 | Braindead | qemu + kqemu (proprietary) |
| 17:48.34 | xorl | it's like when i insatlled it |
| 17:48.47 | xorl | it just installs doesnt update udev or the initrd |
| 17:48.48 | xorl | just installs it |
| 17:49.03 | NoNaMeNo | i would like to have the mailserver issue solved :P |
| 17:49.08 | NoNaMeNo | thats all |
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| 17:49.19 | wols_ | there is no issue |
| 17:49.21 | jonkri | ü |
| 17:49.24 | jonkri | omgalolo |
| 17:49.31 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, qemu runs w2k nicely |
| 17:49.45 | holycow | hey guys ... are there any free tools for recovering data from ext3 partitions? |
| 17:49.51 | jonkri | wols_: there is a issue. |
| 17:49.52 | NoNaMeNo | fsck? |
| 17:49.55 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: cool. Know if it will run XP? |
| 17:50.12 | wols_ | define "recovering data" please |
| 17:50.13 | NoNaMeNo | i think it but with much more RAM |
| 17:50.17 | wols_ | if you mean undelete: no |
| 17:50.45 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo; That's a processor emulator? I don't need to emulate a processor... I'm on an Intel machine.l |
| 17:50.47 | eeyore- | holycow: as in "i deleted files from ext3 and now i want them back"? |
| 17:51.01 | NoNaMeNo | it is a PC-Emu |
| 17:51.07 | NoNaMeNo | like VMWare |
| 17:51.12 | holycow | precisely, although its actually 'i wrote files to a usb ext3 partition and now they are gone' |
| 17:51.20 | eeyore- | holycow: no. not possible. |
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| 17:51.35 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: okay. I'll give it a shot. |
| 17:51.52 | eeyore- | holycow: undelete is no longer a possibility with ext3. with ext2 you could. but ext3, they're gone for good. |
| 17:51.53 | NoNaMeNo | do it =) |
| 17:51.55 | holycow | eeyore-, really? so its not as if the 'index' might be gone but the bits are still around? |
| 17:52.08 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: Does it work on PPC, too, if I wanted to emulate Windows on there? |
| 17:52.27 | holycow | there are tools that appearently say they can undelete from ext3 but most of them run on windows |
| 17:52.34 | eeyore- | holycow: the bits might be around, and if you're lucky you *might* be able to get the first page of files, but impossible to find subsequent pages. sorry. |
| 17:52.42 | Flimzy | looks like it does. I might have to try it on my powerbook, too, just for fun |
| 17:52.52 | holycow | eeyore-, okay thanks, good to know |
| 17:52.56 | NoNaMeNo | i guess, qemu has lot of binaris that suppose to emulate each platform |
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| 17:53.29 | Zmyrgel | Is there a way to install Debian remotely? |
| 17:54.09 | eeyore- | Zmyrgel: sure, several. i use knoppix and install debian via the ... uh ... what the heck is it called ... chroot debian installer thingie |
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| 17:55.01 | xorl | hmm |
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| 17:55.12 | xorl | wont boot on the damn 2.6 686 standard kernel either. |
| 17:55.33 | wols_ | xorl: did it boot anything ever? |
| 17:55.33 | Zmyrgel | some easy instructions... my server is in Finland and I'm in Ireland... I only have the plain debian cd there... I think |
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| 17:56.25 | Braindead | Zmyrgel: you either teleport or use debtakeover. too bad debtakeover isn't maintained so you'll end up with woody |
| 17:56.26 | xorl | wols_: i said previously it boots on the 2.4.x kernel like a charm |
| 17:56.38 | wols_ | xorl: sata? |
| 17:56.43 | xorl | reboot select 2.4 kernel bam comes up without any questions |
| 17:56.49 | eeyore- | Zmyrgel: wait one sec |
| 17:56.56 | xorl | Yes, sata with Xeon 2.0ghz em64t |
| 17:57.04 | xorl | bah |
| 17:57.05 | xorl | 3.0ghz* |
| 17:57.12 | xorl | I am the typo man this morning. |
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| 17:57.43 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: does qemu work within X, or only from the console with the fb driver? |
| 17:57.43 | JordiGH | I wonder if I should file a bug for vrms complaining about gdb-doc. :-/ |
| 17:57.47 | Braindead | Zmyrgel: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html also |
| 17:57.51 | wols_ | and where is your rootfs in 2.4? /dev/hdaX ? |
| 17:57.56 | eeyore- | Zmyrgel: it's called "debootstrap" |
| 17:58.18 | Braindead | eeyore-: debtakeover. and I already told it |
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| 17:58.37 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, I use qemu within X |
| 17:58.38 | eeyore- | Braindead: you just said debtakeover is unmaintained ... |
| 17:58.47 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, in a window |
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| 17:58.56 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: Okay, spiffy. |
| 17:59.34 | Braindead | eeyore-: "debootstrap" on its own is kinda vague. at least I also gave him a guide. debootstrap itself isn't thought to do remote installations,it's just a nice side effect |
| 17:59.52 | eeyore- | Zmyrgel: here's a url. i didn't read it fully. http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 18:00.11 | eeyore- | Braindead: i'm not in competition to provide free support with you :-) |
| 18:00.54 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, qemu has a option that i think it is "-nographic" and it runs in console, but i didnt tried it |
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| 18:01.17 | g3brown | I'm installing Sarge with X in VMWare. I've did it 3 times now and each time when it finishes it doesn't boot to the gui. When I try to 'startx' it tells me there is no .xsession in the home dir. Why isn't this getting installed correctly? |
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| 18:01.33 | pelzi_ | oh jesus... |
| 18:01.39 | pelzi_ | PEBKAC |
| 18:01.45 | pelzi_ | the error tells you exactly what to do |
| 18:01.58 | wols_ | !be a reading barbie |
| 18:01.58 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, wols_ |
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| 18:02.27 | pelzi_ | echo xterm >> ~/.xsession |
| 18:03.14 | tralala | sarge doesn't need to have ~/.xsession for startx to run |
| 18:03.28 | pelzi_ | maybe |
| 18:03.41 | pelzi_ | worth a try anyway |
| 18:04.05 | c00lfon | 1. .Xsession |
| 18:04.11 | c00lfon | 2. Not .Xsession, but .xinitrc |
| 18:04.11 | c00lfon | ;p |
| 18:04.29 | pelzi_ | .xsession is valid |
| 18:04.36 | tralala | 1. .xsession, 2. none of them |
| 18:04.43 | pelzi_ | and xinit uses .xsession. |
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| 18:05.27 | JordiGH | How can I figure out who is using a mounted directory and why I can't unmount it? |
| 18:05.33 | pelzi_ | lsof |
| 18:05.49 | g3brown | pelzi_: are you referring to my question? or something b4 me? |
| 18:05.52 | PupenoR | I have two debian boxes that stopped communicating with each other (UDP over a particular port). I've run nc on both sides to try to stablish the communication and it failed. Is there some kind of traceroute that I may do on that port to find out who in the middle is causing a problem ? |
| 18:05.53 | Braindead | JordiGH: fuser |
| 18:06.25 | pelzi_ | traceroute uses udp, so it's not a bad try |
| 18:06.40 | Braindead | PupenoR: hping also may come in handy |
| 18:06.41 | tralala | does nc do udp? |
| 18:06.46 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 18:06.58 | plutonas | is etch frozen now, or not yet? |
| 18:07.05 | eeyore- | PupenoR: why not use tcpdump on one or both sides of the connection? |
| 18:07.05 | JordiGH | Braindead: Uh. What does the output mean? Is it a PID? |
| 18:07.26 | Braindead | JordiGH: did you look at the output of man fuser? |
| 18:07.38 | JordiGH | Braindead: No. Sorry. :-/ |
| 18:07.49 | PupenoR | eeyore-: already did that, no traffic was show between the two boxes. What else can tcpdump tell me about this problem ? |
| 18:07.53 | g3brown | pelzi_: I missed the answer then. I don't understand why it doesn't work on a fresh install. |
| 18:07.55 | Braindead | hint: -v |
| 18:08.13 | JordiGH | Thanks. |
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| 18:08.30 | pelzi_ | g3brown: did you try creating an xsession |
| 18:08.50 | pelzi_ | and do you have x-window-system[-core] |
| 18:08.54 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: How do I use X? It keeps complaining about not opening the fb device. |
| 18:08.59 | g3brown | pelzi_: I haven't tried to solve the symtom yet. I don't understand why a fresh install just doesn't work. |
| 18:09.14 | g3brown | pelzi_: sp/symtom/sympton |
| 18:09.16 | pelzi_ | what if it works just like it should? |
| 18:09.20 | pelzi_ | did you install a WM? |
| 18:09.34 | g3brown | pelzi_: VM? |
| 18:09.44 | pelzi_ | no, wm |
| 18:09.58 | g3brown | pelzi_: don't know what wm is |
| 18:09.59 | pelzi_ | a window manager |
| 18:10.18 | g3brown | pelzi_: I selected Desktop Enviroment during the initial install |
| 18:10.34 | pelzi_ | KDE? gnome? |
| 18:11.02 | g3brown | pelzi_: I have done this b4 with 3.1 r0 and I'm using 3.1 r3 now. (It didn't ask about KDE or Gnome) |
| 18:11.15 | wols_ | pelzi_: should be gnome afaik |
| 18:11.27 | g3brown | pelzi_: perhaps my iso's are corupt. |
| 18:11.36 | pelzi_ | it does sound a bit weird |
| 18:11.46 | JordiGH | g3brown: Heh, do you know whence comes the s/old/new syntax? :-) |
| 18:11.49 | pelzi_ | I've never chosen anything at the install and installed by hand instead... |
| 18:11.55 | tralala | btw, twm is installed by x-windows-system |
| 18:12.03 | g3brown | JordiGH: vi |
| 18:12.12 | pelzi_ | sed |
| 18:12.45 | JordiGH | g3brown: I thought you thought the s stood for "spelling", hence why you wrote "sp". n/m :P |
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| 18:13.21 | g3brown | JordiGH: I'm mostly stupid. |
| 18:13.26 | JordiGH | tralala: I know some people who will scream bloody murder if you call it "X Windows". |
| 18:13.32 | JordiGH | g3brown: That's ok. So am I. |
| 18:14.03 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: Well I'm now installing XP w/ qemu by suing the VNC interface. I suppose that works well enough for me |
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| 18:14.31 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: Thanks for suggesting qemu. It looks like that will probably work for me. |
| 18:14.37 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, using VNC interface? |
| 18:14.56 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: Yup. I export the display to vnc, then run vncviewer |
| 18:15.03 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, don try to use 3dmax studio or catia XD coz it will be slowwwwwwww |
| 18:15.07 | NoNaMeNo | aham |
| 18:15.09 | NoNaMeNo | nice one |
| 18:15.27 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo; I don't need any audio... I just need it to run a stupid ticket tracking system... and possibly for Outlook |
| 18:15.48 | Flimzy | or for those apps |
| 18:15.58 | Flimzy | All I should need is basic XP and network access. |
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| 18:16.40 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, then you should install win2k |
| 18:17.03 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, fast like native |
| 18:17.29 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: XP is what they have for me :( |
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| 18:18.08 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, well, take a coffe :P |
| 18:18.49 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: hehe. My goal is to have Windows (whether XP or 2k) running on one monitor, and all my useful apps on the 2nd monitor of my dual-head system. |
| 18:19.10 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: Hopefully they'll let me use 2k if this XP doesn't work out too well |
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| 18:19.52 | NoNaMeNo | aham |
| 18:20.07 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, what videocard do you have? |
| 18:20.12 | NoNaMeNo | matrox? |
| 18:20.17 | eeyore- | PupenoR: i take it the two machines are on separate networks? |
| 18:20.19 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: Some integrated Intel card on an HP laptop |
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| 18:20.37 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: Mobile 915GM Express |
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| 18:20.56 | PupenoR | eeyore-: yes, and both behind NATs with forwarded ports. The weird thing is that they can connect and be connected from other computers. |
| 18:21.15 | eeyore- | PupenoR: how reliable is the network in between? the internet? |
| 18:21.20 | strk | my framebuffer is screwed up after use, do you know how to reset it ? (i'm connected from another host for use of th emachine, which is unusable due to console screwing) |
| 18:21.31 | eeyore- | PupenoR: could it just be that the packets just get dropped? they're UDP, after all ... |
| 18:21.33 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, dual head? you mean 1 VGA and 1 S-Video |
| 18:21.35 | NoNaMeNo | right? |
| 18:21.50 | pelzi_ | oe 2 vgas... |
| 18:21.52 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: No. One will be the integrated LCD, the other the VGA port. |
| 18:21.56 | pelzi_ | or... |
| 18:22.18 | eeyore- | Flimzy: are you sure your chip is capable of that? |
| 18:22.22 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, what distro are you running? |
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| 18:22.36 | Flimzy | eeyore-: Yup. well, it is in Windows anyway. |
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| 18:22.42 | eeyore- | Flimzy: most laptops don't have separate "panel" and "vga" content ... unless you use something like ATI or Nvidia chips |
| 18:22.42 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: Debian. |
| 18:22.44 | PupenoR | eeyore-: maybe... eventually, I've got nc to communicate. |
| 18:22.59 | eeyore- | PupenoR: why not TCP? |
| 18:22.59 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, sid ? |
| 18:23.07 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: etch I believe |
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| 18:23.16 | PupenoR | eeyore-: because the protocol is UDP. |
| 18:23.24 | JordiGH | dpkg, Quantian is a live-cd or live-dvd based on Knoppix specially tailored for the needs of mathematical software. |
| 18:23.25 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 18:23.39 | eeyore- | PupenoR: riiiiight, but why must the protocol be UDP? :-) |
| 18:23.55 | eeyore- | PupenoR: or you don't have control over that aspect? (game server?) |
| 18:24.12 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, well, if you do it, come back an tell me :P |
| 18:24.20 | PupenoR | eeyore-: I don't know. Ask the developers of IAX (Inter-Asterisk-eXchange). |
| 18:24.23 | pelzi_ | use UDP where it is more suited, and TCP where it is more suited. |
| 18:24.30 | PupenoR | eeyore-: no, I don't design the protocol. |
| 18:24.44 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: I don't see why it should be a problem. Unless the X11 driver just doesn't support dual head on this chipset. I've done the same thing before using 2 different VGA chipsets sumultaneously, and using nvidia. |
| 18:25.01 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo; Not specifically with Windows on one display... but with Xinerama, or with different X servers on each display. |
| 18:25.05 | pelzi_ | laptop dual head tends to be pretty crappy |
| 18:25.16 | eeyore- | Flimzy: very few laptops will do dualhead ... |
| 18:25.22 | pelzi_ | it's ok for a presentation with a projector, not so nice on the desktop |
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| 18:25.27 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: What would be really cool is to get this system dual-legged, too. Then I could use the touchpad and integrated keyboard for XP, and the USB mouse/keyboard for X |
| 18:25.32 | pelzi_ | they do. but it is a pain to get working |
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| 18:25.46 | Flimzy | eeyore-: Hmm. We must be on different planets, becasue every laptop I've used that was made in the last 5 years is capable. |
| 18:26.03 | eeyore- | Flimzy: maybe your definition of dualhead is different from mine |
| 18:26.05 | Flimzy | eeyore-: Including my Powerbook, this one, my dad's dell laptop... and various others. |
| 18:26.08 | odla | can anyone recommend a good page for learning the basics of making debian packages? |
| 18:26.16 | pelzi_ | usually they are limited at 60hz or something on the VGA port |
| 18:26.18 | cydork | !tell odla about nm guide |
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| 18:26.28 | Flimzy | eeyore-; Well my definition would be running multiple heads (monitors) driven by a single computer. What's yours/ |
| 18:26.29 | aronofsky | hi |
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| 18:26.46 | eeyore- | Flimzy: yeah, but the multiple 'heads', do they show the same content? |
| 18:26.52 | Flimzy | eeyore-: No. |
| 18:27.05 | Flimzy | eeyore-: Well, they can... but that's usually silly. |
| 18:27.07 | pelzi_ | every lappy can do cloning without trouble |
| 18:27.17 | eeyore- | Flimzy: then i disagree with you that "every laptop made in past five years is capable of dualhead" |
| 18:27.17 | pelzi_ | that's for presentations with a projector. |
| 18:27.33 | pelzi_ | dual head is also possible with practically every laptop |
| 18:27.39 | pelzi_ | it's usually a pain, but possible |
| 18:27.50 | aronofsky | id like to try aiglx with my nvidia card, im on testing so first step is ti install driver right , and i was wondering if installing nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-k7 was ok ? |
| 18:27.50 | Flimzy | eeyore-: Every laptop _I have used_ that was made in the last 5 years is capable. Which I belive is what I actually said. |
| 18:28.05 | sepski | aronofsky, no, you need bleeding edge nvidia drivers |
| 18:28.09 | Flimzy | eeyore-; Granted, my experience doesn't necissarily reflect on "most"... But it certianly reflects on this particular laptop ;) |
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| 18:28.40 | aronofsky | sepski, and how can I get that installed on testing ? |
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| 18:29.07 | _Brandon_ | i've a dwl-520+ and i've installed acx100 drivers but the signal is very low and i can't find any ap or other devices but with ndiswrapper i've no problem |
| 18:29.13 | sepski | aronofsky, you must use the one from sid i guess |
| 18:29.16 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, i know that you can use each kbd and mouse on the screen that you want |
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| 18:29.31 | Flimzy | NoNaMeNo: Yes, I know it can be done. I just have to figure out how to do it :) |
| 18:29.34 | dhuv | hello all |
| 18:29.41 | sepski | aronofsky, YMMV |
| 18:29.45 | pelzi_ | if ndiswrapper works, use it |
| 18:29.46 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, with the new xorg and the event interface |
| 18:29.51 | pelzi_ | why break it if it works... |
| 18:29.55 | aronofsky | YMMV = ? |
| 18:30.00 | sepski | !ymmv |
| 18:30.00 | dpkg | hmm... ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 18:30.20 | _Brandon_ | pelzi_: i think that a native driver would be better :P |
| 18:30.26 | dhuv | I install etch (i386) on a laptop with an AMD Turion64, and installed the 2.6.17-k7 package |
| 18:31.09 | aronofsky | sepski, any cleaner way that getting it from unstable , even if i Have to compile ? |
| 18:31.23 | dhuv | unfortunately I cannot get powernowd to work properly because even after I load the cpufreq_userspace module, the correct objects in /sysfs are not created |
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| 18:31.55 | sepski | aronofsky, yes. dont try. since you'll probably need xorg from sid too :) |
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| 18:32.17 | NoNaMeNo | Flimzy, do it and come back and tell us :P |
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| 18:32.29 | sepski | aronofsky, if you get it working, come back and tell me how :) |
| 18:32.29 | odla | cydork: thanks |
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| 18:32.48 | nayyares | is there any possibility to install debian on nokia-6600 mobile? |
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| 18:33.50 | cydork | woooh |
| 18:33.54 | NoNaMeNo | nayyares, i think that no |
| 18:34.23 | nayyares | NoNaMeNo, any other nokia mobile phone? |
| 18:34.26 | kamil | hello |
| 18:34.30 | eeyore- | aronofsky: if you want aiglx, you'll have to go with nvidia beta driver. i use 9926 |
| 18:35.01 | eeyore- | aronofsky: previous versions (8xxx series) don't have the extensions you need to use AIGLX with |
| 18:35.02 | NoNaMeNo | urff |
| 18:35.02 | aronofsky | eeyore-, yeah but people here keep sayin not to use nvidia.com drivers on debian ... |
| 18:35.08 | cydork | nayyares: there was a project for hp ipaq |
| 18:35.16 | NoNaMeNo | yes |
| 18:35.19 | odla | can you d/l that new maintainers guide in a .pdf format? or get it via apt? |
| 18:35.22 | odla | i'd like to print it |
| 18:35.24 | eeyore- | aronofsky: they're not talking about aiglx, obviously. |
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| 18:35.34 | NoNaMeNo | but nokia cell phone i dont think they can have linux |
| 18:35.35 | nayyares | cydork, any url? |
| 18:36.18 | aronofsky | eeyore-, several people here tell me that it was not good to install nvidia.com drivers on debian , that It could break my X |
| 18:36.21 | cydork | !info maint-guide |
| 18:36.27 | dpkg | maint-guide: (Debian New Maintainers' Guide), section doc, is optional. Version: 1.2.7 (sid), Packaged size: 387 kB, Installed size: 572 kB |
| 18:36.28 | cydork | odla: ^^ |
| 18:36.42 | eeyore- | aronofsky: ok, i'm gonna make it easy for you ... |
| 18:36.44 | Coweater | aronofsky: no one would've told you that, they would've said not to use the nvidia installer if anything |
| 18:36.48 | eeyore- | aronofsky: do you want AIGLX or not? yes, or no? |
| 18:37.02 | aronofsky | eeyore-, yes |
| 18:37.18 | odla | cydork: thanks maint-guide...i was searching for debmake |
| 18:37.21 | eeyore- | aronofsky: then repeat after me: "I need Nvidia BETA DRIVER because I want AIGLX" |
| 18:37.34 | cydork | nayyares: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnHandhelds |
| 18:38.02 | wireddd | why does the xorg process use so much ram? |
| 18:38.18 | eeyore- | aronofsky: if you're afraid of breaking your system (which aiglx will do) then don't touch it with ten-foot pole. stay away! |
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| 18:38.35 | _Brandon_ | wireddd: because it's holding what you see |
| 18:38.54 | eeyore- | aronofsky: we're talking aiglx, compiz/beryl and so on so forth ... they're very much in beta at the moment. you'll get all kinds of nice things like black windows, or blank desktops ... |
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| 18:39.30 | lars30 | I'm having trouble getting Ruby 1.8.4+ installed on Sarge.. using the testing repository... |
| 18:39.35 | lars30 | anyone had any luck with that? |
| 18:39.40 | eeyore- | wireddd: you're looking at mapped address space, not what's currently resident in memory. separate out the columns |
| 18:40.03 | denmaeth | on debian etch i want to change my cd-rom out for a dvd-rom. what do i need to do to make the operating system see it as a dvd-rom or will it see it automaticly? |
| 18:40.06 | aronofsky | eeyore-, im not afraid of that , i was just looking for all different solutions , and im not sure that using nvidia beta driver is the only one |
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| 18:40.32 | _Brandon_ | denmaeth: it's auto |
| 18:40.36 | eeyore- | aronofsky: why are you "not sure that using nvidia beta driver is the only one"? |
| 18:40.44 | lars30 | sarge saw my DVD Player automatically |
| 18:40.48 | denmaeth | cool thank you _Brandon_ |
| 18:41.15 | wireddd | why does xorg need so much ram allocated towards it? |
| 18:41.15 | aronofsky | eeyore-, because people told me about aother way ( http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php ) |
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| 18:41.50 | lars30 | apt-get -s -t testing ruby appaers to install ruby 1.8.2, any way to force it to 1.8.4 or above? |
| 18:41.51 | Zap-W | what is byte-offset? |
| 18:41.53 | eeyore- | aronofsky: what on that page exactly? |
| 18:42.05 | rgsteele | Anyone know if they make LCD's without frames? |
| 18:42.07 | daedalus_ | Zap-W: Context? |
| 18:42.15 | rgsteele | I know there's a metal ground around the perimeter |
| 18:42.21 | aronofsky | eeyore-, NVIDIA Driver Packages for Debian |
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| 18:42.26 | rgsteele | But, apart from that...could you just take the plastic on the outside off? |
| 18:42.31 | eeyore- | aronofsky: right, but WHERE on that page does it mention AIGLX? |
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| 18:42.32 | daedalus_ | rsteele: Sure |
| 18:42.48 | Zap-W | daedalus_: Print the byte offset within the input file before each line of output. "egrep" |
| 18:42.50 | Zap-W | -b |
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| 18:43.00 | nemequ | hey everyone. just decided to switch from ubuntu to debian testing--are there netinst images somewhere that I'm missing? |
| 18:43.08 | nemequ | or do i have to upgrade from stable? |
| 18:43.12 | eeyore- | aronofsky: wait. i think i know what you're getting at |
| 18:43.19 | Zap-W | what does byte offset mean |
| 18:43.27 | eeyore- | aronofsky: you want the nvidia beta driver, but you want to do it the debian way. OK. nothing wrong with that. |
| 18:43.29 | wols_ | !etch installer |
| 18:43.30 | dpkg | i heard etch installer is If you're having issues with sarge installers and hardware, perhaps you can try the Etch installer images? Find them at: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 18:43.46 | cydork | wols_: you are fast today? is that german beer :P |
| 18:44.01 | eeyore- | aronofsky: i NEVER said you had to go to nvidia.com to download the driver yourself. i merely said, "you need 9xxx series of drivers". if you interpreted that to mean "go to nvidia.com and download the driver" then that's your problem. |
| 18:44.08 | daedalus_ | Zap-W: Each character is a byte, so basically, the number of characters in from the beginning of the file. Think of the file as an array of characters (1-D) and you're searching for a word. When it finds it, it tells you where the match started in the array. |
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| 18:44.20 | aronofsky | eeyore-, yeah soory , i wasn't clear |
| 18:44.23 | wols_ | cydork: I don't drink beer |
| 18:44.34 | Ronin | ill drink wols_ beer then |
| 18:44.46 | eeyore- | aronofsky: short story, 9925 or 9926 :-) go. be happy :-) |
| 18:45.02 | wols_ | no one brews beer for me: they know they'd go bancrupt in no time |
| 18:45.04 | eeyore- | uh ... no, 9625 or 9626 |
| 18:45.04 | nemequ | wols_: thank you :) |
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| 18:45.50 | aronofsky | eeyore-, my real problem is where can I get this drivers preperly installed on testing without using nvidia.com installer |
| 18:45.59 | cydork | wols_: hehe |
| 18:46.02 | nayyares | cydork, thanks |
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| 18:46.14 | Zmyrgel | unstable branch I quess? |
| 18:46.25 | aronofsky | eeyore-, how can I get this drivers properly installed ... |
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| 18:46.41 | wols_ | !nvidia etch |
| 18:46.47 | wols_ | !etch nvidia |
| 18:46.48 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 18:47.29 | craigevil | only problem with that is any driver less than 8776 has that exploit |
| 18:47.54 | MitchM | not. |
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| 18:48.31 | cydork | craigevil: shhh dont tell people yet :P |
| 18:48.35 | wols_ | craigevil: wgat exploit? |
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| 18:49.00 | MitchM | card* |
| 18:49.01 | zinx | wols_: 8774 (and only 8774) has a local priviledge escalation vulnerability that requires access to the X server |
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| 18:50.50 | landexem | Is it true that Intel's graphics card such as the 855GM have Free Software drivers that can do 3D rendering? |
| 18:50.51 | wols_ | yes it's true |
| 18:50.52 | aronofsky | BTW can anyone what exactly is the problem with nvidia.com installer ? |
| 18:50.52 | craigevil | wols_: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1971 |
| 18:50.52 | wols_ | 3D of course still sucks. shared memory |
| 18:50.52 | wols_ | aronofsky: puts files in totally wrong places |
| 18:50.52 | zinx | landexem: intel's cards are really bad at 3d, even if they do support it |
| 18:51.22 | zinx | landexem: they're so bad that intel disabled OpenGL acceleration for windows screensavers because so many of them didn't work with intel's drivers |
| 18:51.33 | craigevil | this bug is not present in driver versions older than 1.0-8762 or 8776 and newer |
| 18:51.34 | aronofsky | wols_, anyway to correct that after install ? |
| 18:51.45 | wols_ | aronofsky: copy it to the right places |
| 18:52.00 | jelly | how safe would be to destroy data on old hard disk plates using a power sander? |
| 18:52.05 | aronofsky | wols_, any howto about that ? |
| 18:52.11 | Ronin | jelly: heh seriously? |
| 18:52.15 | wols_ | jelly: use a sledgehammer |
| 18:52.23 | Ronin | and a face shield |
| 18:52.25 | wols_ | aronofsky: not that I know |
| 18:52.43 | jelly | wols_: hahaha, that might leave the plates partially unharmed. ;-) |
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| 18:52.49 | wols_ | jelly: cnaonical way is a gun |
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| 18:53.05 | wols_ | jelly: then your hammer is not big enough |
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| 18:53.21 | wols_ | I don't think you find anyone who can put the data back together |
| 18:53.23 | Ronin | jelly: well if your that concerened get it degaused, then shredded, then melted down like we do here |
| 18:53.23 | aronofsky | wols_, and i check this website ( http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php ) but im kinda lost , what package should I use if want to have aiglx working ? |
| 18:53.37 | cydork | jelly: melting it is the best option |
| 18:53.42 | wols_ | 96.xx or later |
| 18:53.50 | jelly | Ronin: well, it's mostly fun but then again might be a good idea a grab a quick buck. There are practically no firms around that handle safe disposal of old disks. |
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| 18:54.23 | aronofsky | wols_, so only the ones in experimental on the website |
| 18:54.31 | eeyore- | jelly: alright, what do you have to conceal? admit it. |
| 18:54.39 | jelly | Ronin: degaussing and melting sounds expensive. ;-) |
| 18:55.00 | Ronin | jelly: well how much is your data worth to you not to fall into the "wrong" hands? |
| 18:55.03 | jelly | eeyore-: I DON'T have child porn, anything else is negotiable. ;-) |
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| 18:55.09 | craigevil | aronofsky: what Debian release are you using? |
| 18:55.21 | aronofsky | craigevil, etch |
| 18:55.23 | wols_ | he uses testing afaik |
| 18:55.31 | jelly | Ronin: about 5 US$ figures I guess. |
| 18:55.50 | Ronin | in that case, get a face shield a good hammer and beat teh crap out of it |
| 18:55.52 | neiljp | ok, I'm bored of googling, does anyone recommend a working sarge-compatible webcam? |
| 18:56.17 | Ronin | bored of googling? not possible |
| 18:56.45 | wols_ | Ronin: he's in the pay of msn or yahoo |
| 18:56.48 | wols_ | only explanation |
| 18:56.56 | eeyore- | jelly: home depot has some good hammers (metal with composite handles) |
| 18:57.01 | jelly | Work in IT industry! Sledge hammer experience a must. |
| 18:57.07 | neiljp | wols_, Ronin: well, bored of googling for this :) |
| 18:57.25 | eeyore- | jelly: i used the 5 pound one to pound the pinch weld in my jeep. worked like charm :-) |
| 18:57.31 | Ronin | jelly: heh you should see us go through cds and floppys here in the shredders |
| 18:57.57 | eeyore- | Ronin: yeah, i hate those times ... cd dusts everywhere |
| 18:58.35 | Ronin | eeyore-: shredders not to bad but if i feel like pissing off everyone i break them with my hands |
| 18:58.41 | eeyore- | neiljp: stick with logitech or phillips camera (with pwcc driver) |
| 18:58.43 | jelly | Ronin: we currently don't have any heavy duty shredders either, I bet they make a purty noise passing CDs through... |
| 18:58.53 | eeyore- | Ronin: yeah i break them by hand ... |
| 18:59.18 | wols_ | cydork: forget jelly. I wanna knw where Ronin works |
| 18:59.22 | eeyore- | Ronin: my favourite ones are those that have stick-on labels. you can peel off the entire data layer :-) |
| 18:59.31 | Ronin | wols_: govt dept in canada |
| 18:59.34 | jelly | cydork: it's an ISP, nothing to write home about. But occasionally even disks with customer data die. |
| 18:59.35 | wols_ | he's masterless samuria, has no honor or anything but works in high security areas! |
| 18:59.42 | aronofsky | well actually the nvidia-kernel-source 96xx package on http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php doesnt seem to be available no more for download so ... i think aint got any solution at all now but using nvidia.com installer ? |
| 18:59.49 | Ronin | we send our old drives out to be shredded and melted with siezed firearms |
| 19:00.01 | Ronin | your car may have one of our drives in it for all we know |
| 19:00.15 | neiljp | eeyore-: yup, looking at logitech, but there are so many models, and supposedly incompatible versions :( |
| 19:00.19 | wols_ | what cars have harddisks? |
| 19:00.28 | jelly | Ronin: My country too poor to melt firearms! Pliz send over! |
| 19:00.32 | cydork | wols_: melted harddisks :P |
| 19:00.32 | Ronin | jelly: |
| 19:00.33 | Ronin | heh |
| 19:00.49 | eeyore- | neiljp: i use the orbit webcam with face tracking ... works great with linux (not necessarily sarge/debian) |
| 19:00.57 | Ronin | right coffee time, |
| 19:01.27 | neiljp | eeyore-: yeah, well I was hoping for nice simple installation, no custom modules, and working fine with sarge... too much to hope I guess ;) |
| 19:03.24 | craigevil | neiljp: you could try looking at the HCL at lq.org http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
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| 19:04.13 | jharrisonwk | cydork: thanks for before |
| 19:04.17 | jharrisonwk | cydork: you hit the nail on the head |
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| 19:04.31 | eeyore- | neiljp: well, don't know what to say :-) my orbit cam works with the pwcc driver (part of recent kernels) and i use "motion" software to capture/stream. excellent colors and bitrate |
| 19:04.33 | cydork | neiljp: check http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 19:04.47 | cydork | neiljp: next time use http://vihang007.googlepages.com/debian.html :P |
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| 19:05.15 | cydork | jharrisonwk: glad i could. i like to use hammers :P |
| 19:05.23 | JordiGH | Oy. gdb-doc only gives TeXinfo files. Do I need to get the source in order to create a printable pdf? |
| 19:06.17 | JordiGH | Further, its control file doesn't specify what kind of documentation it gives. I headed over to /usr/share/doc/gdb-doc and only got the changelog and copyright files, which is rather odd. |
| 19:06.34 | JordiGH | But I'm not allowed to complain since it's in non-free, eh? |
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| 19:06.56 | wols_ | GNU _loves_ info |
| 19:07.04 | wols_ | idjeetz |
| 19:07.12 | JordiGH | I love info too. Especially since it's easy to make pdfs from it. |
| 19:07.13 | deadcat | whats the max string for mysql database? i have a long ass zipcode list and i couldnt get the last 2 in. |
| 19:07.25 | neiljp | craigevil, eeyore- : thanks |
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| 19:08.02 | eeyore- | deadcat: strings? 255. longer than that, use text or blob fields |
| 19:08.11 | deadcat | the string is 263 chars.. i guess mysql only takes 255? |
| 19:08.13 | abhinay | hi there |
| 19:08.16 | neiljp | cydork: nice links :) |
| 19:08.17 | deadcat | eeyore-: thanks. (= |
| 19:08.18 | eeyore- | deadcat: yeah |
| 19:08.42 | eeyore- | deadcat: instead of varchar(255), use text field. PS: what kind of hellish zip code is this?!?!?!? |
| 19:08.44 | JordiGH | wols_: What have you got against TeXinfo anyways? That it makes it easy to make html, ps, pdf, and info files viewable from Emacs et al? |
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| 19:09.08 | deadcat | eeyore-: 95826,95827,... its for oscommerce |
| 19:09.38 | eeyore- | deadcat: odd. and they store it as comma-delimited pieces and "explode" at runtime? OK. |
| 19:09.53 | abhinay | i have debian netinstaller iso , i want to run the netinstaller from the usb , how can i ? |
| 19:10.17 | cydork | neiljp: hehe use it when you get tired of just google :P |
| 19:10.19 | eeyore- | deadcat: you ought to be able to get to the mysql admin console and change the type quickly. "alter table ... " and read the help text |
| 19:11.09 | deadcat | eeyore-: thanks. (= |
| 19:11.32 | eeyore- | deadcat: it should be transparent to the application ... alter table <tablename> change <col name> <new col definition> |
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| 19:12.37 | dn4 | found a freaky story for halloween....Teens trespassing in a dark, vacant home shooting BBs at Âbags hanging from the rafters find out they are actually shooting at a man who hung himself, return later with more people to show them the body and are greeted by the owner with a machete http://kutv.com/watercooler/local_story_304101146.html |
| 19:12.51 | eeyore- | dn4: "fark.com" |
| 19:13.21 | eeyore- | dn4: or ogrish.com ... all halloween ALL the time ... |
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| 19:17.17 | jelly | hi, which kernel package is going to be default for etch? Can I assume whatever eg. kernel-image-2.6-686 depends on? |
| 19:17.22 | neiljp | hmm, think I'm just going to go buy a cheap one and try it... damn manufacturers probably change chipset every month anyhow :| |
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| 19:18.51 | CharminTheMoose | my brain is gonna kill us all! |
| 19:19.05 | stew | jelly: no, linux-image-2.6-386, it will likely be 2.6.18-1 |
| 19:19.22 | cydork | stew: it's not sure yet right? or is it? |
| 19:19.27 | eeyore- | i hope they get aiglx working with binary fglrx any day now ... i don't have many nvidia machines here and i really miss beryl/aiglx on my desktop (it's molass slow with the opensource radeon driver) |
| 19:19.38 | eeyore- | "they" = ati people |
| 19:19.46 | stew | cydork: no, its likely |
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| 19:20.23 | jelly | stew: so I should try my patch with, say, .18 from unstable, not .17 from current etch? |
| 19:20.38 | cydork | stew: oh ok. |
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| 19:21.10 | stew | jelly: i dunno. sure. what patch? |
| 19:21.19 | jelly | stew: I'm taking a look at an RC bug for kernel-patch-atopcnt (#392654). There's a new upstream version which supposedly works with 2.6.17 |
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| 19:22.29 | stew | jelly: ask #debian-kernel on oftc |
| 19:22.39 | jelly | stew: kthxbye ;-) |
| 19:22.48 | stew | jelly: thanks for helping with rc bugs |
| 19:22.51 | dman | im getting lots of kernel errors in syslog.. attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 19:22.52 | dman | , hda: dma_intr: status=0x51, hda: dma_intr: error=0x40, fsck does not report any errors. debian stock kernel 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:23.43 | jelly | stew: nah, I just want the particular patch to work, it being a RC bug is collateral (but a nice way to get help on #debian ;-) |
| 19:24.21 | eeyore- | dman: access beyond end of device ... was your filesystem corrupted? did you make it properly? more background info, please |
| 19:24.49 | JordiGH | dman: Were you ever a user in everything2.com ? |
| 19:26.31 | dman | eeyore-, it seems it is now.. it was re-made correctly after it got corrupted, a dd if=/dev/hda6 of=/dev/null reports read errors.. |
| 19:26.51 | dman | JordiGH, ? |
| 19:26.55 | eeyore- | dman: try dd_rescue |
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| 19:26.58 | JordiGH | dman: Guess not. Never mind. Case of mistaken identity. |
| 19:27.38 | eeyore- | dman: a "dd" will leave holes in output (on read errors) unless you use ... forget which flag. dd_rescue will try to approach the bad sectors from different direction hoping to get past the error sectors |
| 19:28.06 | phpnuborn | are there linux based non-gui file managers? |
| 19:28.23 | eeyore- | phpnuborn: midnight commander |
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| 19:28.50 | JordiGH | phpnuborn: Emacs! :D |
| 19:28.52 | pickcoder | clex |
| 19:29.08 | stew | someone say bash |
| 19:29.17 | stew | you guys are letting me down |
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| 19:29.28 | phpnuborn | i thought emacs is an editor? |
| 19:29.29 | dman | eeyore-, im now trying to get as much data of the part. will create a new filesystem.. it has also affected my swap partition.. a miracle that the thing is still working |
| 19:29.32 | JordiGH | !emacs |
| 19:29.32 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
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| 19:29.46 | c00lfon | f'd up editor. use vim. ;> |
| 19:29.54 | eeyore- | dman: try raid :-) |
| 19:30.50 | eeyore- | actually i should cross my fingers ... our web server has been with us since ... what ... 1999? the thing runs on cheap-ass intel desktop mobo with celeron cpu, same HD since '99. still hasn't died yet, knock on wood. waiting for end of year to migrate to another server with more bandwidth and RAID :-) |
| 19:31.17 | eeyore- | hey wait, i do have real wood here even if it's just a bark off sequoia tree :-) *knock* |
| 19:31.31 | pelzi_ | hard drives don't fail while running |
| 19:31.38 | pelzi_ | but if you get a power failure... |
| 19:31.55 | pickcoder | pelzi_: never had a fatal head crash then eh? |
| 19:32.00 | pelzi_ | nope |
| 19:32.02 | pickcoder | those are nice |
| 19:32.02 | sepski | pelzi_, harddrive can fail while running too. :) |
| 19:32.10 | eeyore- | pelzi_: bearings fail ... |
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| 19:32.11 | JordiGH | phpnuborn: Emacs is editor and kitchen sink. Try M-x pong ;-) |
| 19:32.14 | pelzi_ | tens of ones not booting though |
| 19:32.16 | eeyore- | pelzi_: they die from heat ... |
| 19:32.21 | eeyore- | pelzi_: lots of causes |
| 19:32.38 | pelzi_ | ok, I've had ones with uncorrectable read errors but not a disaster except when the power's cut |
| 19:32.56 | eeyore- | pelzi_: the ones that don't boot, maybe you can give them a knock to get the head to move (stiction problem?) or just plain give up (dead electronics) |
| 19:33.07 | pelzi_ | yes, I've done that |
| 19:33.15 | fsancho | hi all |
| 19:33.26 | fsancho | anyone here using freevo? |
| 19:33.33 | eeyore- | pelzi_: i've had some ibm deathstars die while running (overheat, first-generation glass platters) |
| 19:33.34 | pelzi_ | but I have backups so I usually just throw a stupid person with it. |
| 19:33.38 | fsancho | i have an strange problem with freevo and mplayer |
| 19:33.49 | fsancho | sometimes the video speeds up a lot (about 4x) but the sound plays at normal speed |
| 19:33.53 | pelzi_ | I had stiction with deathstars |
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| 19:34.09 | pickcoder | eeyore-: I had a seagate IDE go bonkers one day. The stepper motor on the read head decided to try and fly apart. |
| 19:34.42 | fsancho | i'm using mplayer from debian-multimedia repositories and freevo 1.5.4 from debian.geole.info |
| 19:34.46 | eeyore- | come to think of it, the current generation Hitachi (remember the sucker who bought IBM deathstars line?) STILL run too hot to touch |
| 19:35.07 | eeyore- | the dell's that we buy now (small form factor optiplex) come with hitachi's in some models |
| 19:35.09 | pelzi_ | I've avoided them like a plague |
| 19:35.20 | pelzi_ | only seagate here |
| 19:35.25 | JordiGH | "Linux gives us the power we need to crush those who oppose us": http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54 |
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| 19:36.23 | eeyore- | pickcoder: the most interesting thing i've done to/with hard drive was plugging the cable in backwards on some esdi drive. the drive didn't like it too much.' |
| 19:36.33 | stew | afaik, the deskstars were great drives except for the one line that earned them their name (the 75gxp's iirc) |
| 19:36.43 | eeyore- | pickcoder: back then i don't think the connectors were keyed |
| 19:36.56 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:36.57 | Flimzy | The most interesting thing I've done with a hard drive was plugin the +/- leads to the motor into an audio amplifier, and listen to Meticalla on some old SCSI Drives |
| 19:37.04 | pickcoder | that only happened once for the drive and controller |
| 19:37.19 | JordiGH | I find it funny that all of the config tasks that cartoon mentions are made absolutely obsolete by Debian. :-) |
| 19:37.51 | pelzi_ | I had all kinds of deathstars fail |
| 19:38.37 | eeyore- | i didn't know beryl's skydome image had to be powers of two?!? no wonder my skydome images didn't work :-p |
| 19:39.14 | abrotman | COWS! |
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| 19:41.04 | rgsteele | !moo |
| 19:41.05 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:41.31 | JordiGH | !mooo |
| 19:41.31 | dpkg | from memory, mooo is ...try apt-get moo and aptitude moo (ask me about aptitude moo to get help with it, hint: -v.... ;) |
| 19:41.37 | JordiGH | !mooooooooooooooooo |
| 19:41.44 | JordiGH | Aw. :-( |
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| 19:41.57 | rgsteele | JordiGH: I guess apt doesn't like overzealous cows |
| 19:42.05 | CharminTheMoose | !aptitude moo |
| 19:42.05 | dpkg | aptitude moo is probably a hidden thingy... try aptitude moo with -v option, or with -vv or -vvv and so on... ;) |
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| 19:43.11 | eeyore- | oooooh |
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| 19:43.38 | JordiGH | !beowulf |
| 19:43.38 | dpkg | beowulf is probably that nifty cluster technology at http://www.beowulf.org, or http://www.debian.org/ports/beowulf/ |
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| 19:49.11 | JordiGH | Wtf. Spam from itekrecruiting in debian-devel saying they want to hire us. What's the scam? |
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| 19:51.11 | danilom | when im installing in a asus motherboard, i create a volume with the raid utility in the bios, but when im in the install of debian, i see the 2 sata disk..... so the raid is not working.. |
| 19:51.25 | pelzi_ | of course |
| 19:51.30 | pelzi_ | that is not raid at all. |
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| 19:52.03 | danilom | pelzi_ ok but the manual says intel southbridge ich7 |
| 19:52.22 | odla | so mplayer is now being distributed by debian w/o the need for marillat's repository? |
| 19:52.31 | odla | i see it's listed in incoming.debian.org |
| 19:52.33 | danilom | pelzi_ so the asus doesnt have a raid hardware?? |
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| 19:53.48 | JordiGH | odla: Really? I remember seeing work for getting mplayer into Debian. |
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| 19:54.35 | craigevil | mplayer is already in Sid repos |
| 19:54.52 | jooopyme | Hi, LVM. Can I create more then 1 group in one physical volume? |
| 19:55.16 | Zmyrgel | I think so yes |
| 19:55.56 | JordiGH | Ooh. Neato. |
| 19:55.58 | JordiGH | !info mplayer |
| 19:56.01 | pickcoder | odla: it depends on the chipset and the driver |
| 19:56.05 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4190 kB, Installed size: 9552 kB |
| 19:56.29 | JordiGH | What about the codecs? |
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| 19:56.51 | odla | JordiGH: they are definitely not free :) |
| 19:57.03 | Zmyrgel | joopyme: Ah, I mean no... as it doesn't promt for size or anything when creating a volume groups. But you could expand the volume group to several partitions |
| 19:57.24 | craigevil | JordiGH: not showing codecs, for now you probably have to use debian-multimedia.org repos |
| 19:57.43 | craigevil | mozilla-plugin is in Sid contrib |
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| 19:58.20 | JordiGH | I'll be satisfied if codecs for ogg Theora and Vorbis are in Debian. :-) |
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| 19:58.57 | JordiGH | By the way, question out of left field, does anyone know if Octaviz can create ogg Theora movies easily? |
| 19:59.03 | JordiGH | Er, not Octaviz. VTK. |
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| 20:01.39 | JordiGH | Then again, I've heard that no codec is truly free, not even Theora. Why's that? |
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| 20:02.38 | dut | Hello! There are any utility to create local repository from CDs/DVDs or I must create it by hands with dpkg-scanpackages? |
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| 20:03.59 | craigevil | dut: see apt-cdrom-setup |
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| 20:04.37 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can have my USB keyboards attached to a dedicated TTY/console instead of the X server I use? |
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| 20:06.22 | dut | craigevil, thanks! |
| 20:06.22 | abrotman | solemnwarning: how many times have you asked ? |
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| 20:07.01 | tim_flatus | I've got a machine with a corrupt root partition. I want to dump the contents of /home on another machine on the network. I tried using knoppix on the dead machine, but I can't ssh into it. Can anyone suggest a better approach? |
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| 20:07.59 | Trewas | debian's mplayer has ffmpeg, so it can play everything except some forms of windows media, quicktime and realvideo |
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| 20:08.39 | Trewas | most importantly mpeg4 stuff is in, so it can play all the warez ;) |
| 20:08.40 | prolific | tim_flatus, Stick another hd into the dead box and mount both partitions and copy /home into the new hd |
| 20:09.12 | JordiGH | tim_flatus: Knoppix disables ssh by default for the obvious security reasons (i.e. it uses no passwords). If you're in a trusted network, just apt-get install ssh in Knoppix from a Debian repository. |
| 20:09.14 | prolific | tim_flatus, Out of curiosity why can't you ssh into it? |
| 20:09.27 | tim_flatus | prolific, that's probably what I'll end up doing. I was just hoping I could do it without taking the boxes apart. |
| 20:09.28 | prolific | Ah |
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| 20:09.33 | _rnz- | The Republican Party - The Party Of Pedophilia values, not Family Values |
| 20:09.33 | _rnz- | Mark Foley - The Gay Republican Pedophile |
| 20:09.33 | _rnz- | The Republican Party - The party of Cut-N-Run in Afghanistan, and Stand-Still-and-Lose in Iraq. |
| 20:09.36 | _rnz- | oops, wrong chan |
| 20:09.59 | JordiGH | tim_flatus: Alternatively, Knoppix doesn't disable outgoing ssh connections. You can work with your drive in that direction. |
| 20:10.02 | pelzi_ | I'm sure... |
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| 20:10.17 | tim_flatus | prolific, for the reasons JordiGH just mentioned. |
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| 20:10.53 | prolific | Right. Just enable it |
| 20:11.25 | JordiGH | tim_flatus: But it'll probably be easier to extract the drive and attach it to a working Debian box. :-) |
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| 20:12.33 | tim_flatus | JordiGH, thanks. That's probably the answer I was looking for. |
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| 20:15.42 | JordiGH | Ack. The VTK mailing lists have emails with no line breaks that talk about bmp and avi. I wonder if I'm hanging out with the right crowd. :-/ |
| 20:16.02 | wojci | I am trying to use debarchiver .. I created a input and output directory, added two packages to the input directory and ran debarchiver. It complains: Message: librtorrent_0.11-1.tar.gz owner () do not match librtorrent_0.11-1_powerpc.changes owner (1000). The files have the same owner and mode.. |
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| 20:26.26 | tim_flatus | Happy punkie night all };-)> |
| 20:26.38 | lightyear | danke |
| 20:26.44 | lightyear | thanks in german |
| 20:27.36 | tim_flatus | sowenna |
| 20:27.39 | JordiGH | Day of the Dead! |
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| 20:27.55 | tim_flatus | cheers in Kernowek |
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| 20:28.29 | tim_flatus | Mwahahahaa! |
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| 20:29.25 | GNUro | hi all |
| 20:29.40 | GNUro | exists a docoment that speck about the different of the fields of control (in debian packages) and specs (in rpm)? |
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| 20:30.06 | JordiGH | Flamewars endangered project Debian / And Death endangers any free softwarian / But Debian will still not fall to The Bony One / As long as its users are forever freedom prone! |
| 20:30.06 | tim_flatus | GNUro, yes, hang on. |
| 20:30.14 | wols_ | !nm guide GNUro |
| 20:30.29 | wols_ | !tell gnuro about nm guide |
| 20:30.32 | CrippsFX | how do I find out which device is my sound card? Usually it's /dev/dsp (at least it was in previous installs ... but I'm trying to run True Combat: Elite, and it's giving me the error that there is no such file as /dev/dsp |
| 20:30.51 | jooopyme | Can I boot the kernel from a LVM partition? |
| 20:30.52 | stew | CrippsFX: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:30.54 | JordiGH | CrippsFX: modprobe snd-pcm-oss works for me. |
| 20:31.11 | CrippsFX | ahh. I knew it was something silly like that :P |
| 20:31.12 | CrippsFX | thanks |
| 20:31.12 | stew | jooopyme: you can if you use lilo, but not with grub |
| 20:31.13 | wols_ | CrippsFX: you need alsa oss emulation loaded |
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| 20:31.28 | stew | CrippsFX: if that works, you'll want to add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
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| 20:31.39 | roe_ | I just installed etch and I am trying to get htaccess activated, do I hvae to add something to the apache2.conf file? |
| 20:32.35 | CrippsFX | stew, kk. thanks for the heads up :) |
| 20:32.52 | tim_flatus | CrippsFX, I assume this is because you are now using ALSA |
| 20:33.00 | CrippsFX | tim_flatus, yep. |
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| 20:33.12 | tim_flatus | CrippsFX, have a look at /dev/snd |
| 20:33.23 | jooopyme | stew: tnx |
| 20:33.39 | the_mug | what's the faq on installing packages from sid? |
| 20:33.40 | stew | roe_: a Directory entry for that directory with AllowOverride, look up AllowOverride to see what you want to allow to be overriden, possibly AuthConfig, FileInfo, Options... |
| 20:33.44 | GNUro | hi know new maintainer guide |
| 20:33.51 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 20:34.07 | GNUro | ok =) |
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| 20:34.47 | mETz | moin :) |
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| 20:35.20 | GNUro | however i ask here for having a coi'm developed a kde gui that from a tarball can compile and pacakge it in rpm, deb (for the moment)... correct correlation from control fields and spec fields.... (i'm developing a gui..) |
| 20:35.23 | tim_flatus | GNUro, there is also a packaging manual, sorry I don't have a link |
| 20:35.32 | GNUro | tim_flatus: ok! |
| 20:35.54 | GNUro | i will see it! =) |
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| 20:36.22 | JordiGH | the_mug: It isn't by design. |
| 20:36.26 | JordiGH | !wayc the_mug |
| 20:36.26 | dpkg | the_mug: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 20:36.58 | tim_flatus | GNUro, http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#pacman |
| 20:37.12 | GNUro | ok |
| 20:37.25 | tim_flatus | GNUro, sorry http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#packman |
| 20:37.36 | GNUro | :) |
| 20:37.40 | GNUro | thnx tim_flatus! |
| 20:37.41 | mETz | installing stuff from source is the same on every distro, boring ;) |
| 20:37.45 | the_mug | because I need to install PHP with a CRAZY ./configure command that includes all these special libraries that are installed but that libtool isn't linking |
| 20:37.47 | the_mug | argh! |
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| 20:38.19 | JordiGH | the_mug: And those libraries are not in Debian? |
| 20:38.35 | nkuttler | mETz: well... as long as there are all libs you need |
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| 20:38.41 | the_mug | JordiGH: they are but in SID only... like php5-mcrypt |
| 20:38.55 | JordiGH | the_mug: They weren't in backports? |
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| 20:39.17 | the_mug | JordiGH: sadly, no. what do you suggest I do? |
| 20:39.35 | JordiGH | the_mug: Did apt refuse to install the library from sid? |
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| 20:39.55 | disq | got a new server - sarge won't recognize raid hw - should i go with sid or should i try to go with sarge, wasting hours trying to figure out how to get the raid card working? |
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| 20:40.06 | mETz | I have php5-mcrypt here, backport for sarge |
| 20:40.22 | JordiGH | the_mug: Talk with mETz. ;-) |
| 20:40.27 | disq | moving from a few years of slackware (ab)use so decided to ask you guys before moving on |
| 20:40.28 | the_mug | JordiGH: no, i just tried downloading the single .deb and then it asked for all these _other_ packages |
| 20:40.33 | h3sp4wn | disq: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 20:40.56 | the_mug | mETz: how? |
| 20:41.07 | JordiGH | mETz: So Gentoo doesn't make installing from source any easier? |
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| 20:41.38 | stew | disq: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 20:41.38 | mETz | the_mug: http://people.debian.org/~dexter/dists/all/ |
| 20:41.44 | the_mug | JordiGH: gentoo does indeed make it easier... it just takes FOREVER (and a day) |
| 20:41.46 | disq | thanks, checking them out |
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| 20:43.28 | CharminTheMoose | how do i tell bash to start from a certain directories and delete everything that's in the current directory and the directories beneath it that have the file name i*.html*? |
| 20:43.32 | the_mug | mETz: so add those to my sources apt-get update and apt-get -t all install php5 ? |
| 20:43.45 | x_link | YES ! |
| 20:43.49 | x_link | I got my new computer today =) |
| 20:44.00 | the_mug | mETz: do you also have mhash in there? |
| 20:45.01 | mETz | which php version do you want? 5.0 or 5.1? |
| 20:45.01 | nkuttler | CharminTheMoose: sounds like a job for your ~/.bashrc |
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| 20:45.32 | CharminTheMoose | well i mean what's the dang command for it? |
| 20:45.47 | the_mug | mETz: 5.1 |
| 20:46.10 | mETz | maybe something like find /some/dir -name "i*.html*" -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 20:46.22 | mETz | this is from the top of my head though, no bash nearby atm |
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| 20:46.34 | mETz | "man" is your friend |
| 20:46.47 | the_mug | mETz: I'm compiling apache 2.2.3 and php 5.1.6 from source and I get this: http://pastie.caboo.se/private/abhhfgldwuizoqzcqp any clues? |
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| 20:47.29 | nkuttler | CharminTheMoose: find + xargs + rm? + cd? |
| 20:47.30 | JordiGH | x_link: Did it come with Debian preinstalled? ;-) |
| 20:47.52 | mETz | the_mug: looks like something went wrong way earlier |
| 20:47.56 | JordiGH | For rm and cd do "info coreutils". |
| 20:48.05 | the_mug | mETz: I have a hunch that libtools is the culprit |
| 20:48.06 | JordiGH | or "info bash". :P |
| 20:48.19 | mETz | does ifupdown have some kind of homepage? |
| 20:48.23 | itchi | CharminTheMoose: I have this im my bashrc. Maybe an good example for your http://pastebin.ca/231435 |
| 20:48.40 | mETz | I'm having trouble when ifup is called from another app (linesrv), it fails to bring up my eth1 |
| 20:48.47 | mETz | running ifup from a root console works fine |
| 20:48.51 | nkuttler | CharminTheMoose: maybe you want to read info make as well |
| 20:48.51 | the_mug | CharminTheMoose: #bash would also be helpful |
| 20:49.21 | mETz | the same setup worked on my old machine, not sure what's the difference (/etc/network/interfaces is the same) |
| 20:49.46 | mETz | some more verbose ifup might help, -v is not very helpful :/ |
| 20:49.48 | JordiGH | nkuttler: Make? Hm. I've wondered about how to get make to do proper cleanup. |
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| 20:50.22 | itchi | CharminTheMoose: Or maybe you want to paste that in an sh script and add it in your ~/bin There are differents ways, depending of your taste |
| 20:50.29 | nkuttler | JordiGH: easy. you type "make clean" |
| 20:50.40 | salah__ | what is the source url for getting the latest debian updates? (not stable) |
| 20:50.43 | JordiGH | nkuttler: No, I mean, how to write the Makefile to begin with. |
| 20:50.44 | the_mug | mETz: but the configure on PHP 5.1.6 went through fine, and so did make... this setup compiles and works in other OSes... :-/ |
| 20:50.58 | JordiGH | !tell salah__ about mirrors |
| 20:51.08 | stew | salah__: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:51.42 | itchi | JordiGH: Maybe dist-clean too |
| 20:52.15 | mETz | the_mug: no idea, I had no problems with that some time ago |
| 20:52.21 | mETz | using packages now though ;) |
| 20:52.21 | JordiGH | itchi: I want to know how to write the Makefile, though. Without automake for pedagogical purposes. :-) |
| 20:52.29 | kromagg | isn't the ROUTE target included in debian iptables? doesn't seem to be there |
| 20:52.42 | nkuttler | JordiGH: well... that can be tricky, depending on your needs, i guess. for me a simple find xargs rm does the job |
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| 20:53.22 | salah__ | Stevie, a stable one I downloaded for a while ago, with kernel 2.4.x something |
| 20:53.49 | JordiGH | salah__: What does /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 20:54.29 | salah__ | JordiGH, 3.1 |
| 20:54.56 | itchi | What's that 'SendQ exceeded' ^^ ? |
| 20:55.19 | JordiGH | salah__: So you have sarge. |
| 20:55.29 | mETz | i.e. stable ;) |
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| 20:55.48 | itchi | Is that about an bouncer?? |
| 20:55.57 | stew | salah__: /msg dpkg security ; /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 20:56.09 | the_mug | mETz: so how do I use packages to install apache 2.2.3 php 5.1 with mcrypt/mhash ? |
| 20:56.34 | solemnwarning | How can I make the X server ignore input from USB keyboards? |
| 20:56.53 | mETz | the_mug: don't know about apache |
| 20:56.54 | itchi | solemnwarning: Unplug it? |
| 20:56.55 | pickcoder | sendq exceeded means the user had too much traffic waiting to go to the client. I.E. maybe too many channels with too much talk |
| 20:57.13 | mETz | the_mug: but follow the instructions on the url I gave you |
| 20:57.16 | nkuttler | solemnwarning: remove it from your x config? |
| 20:57.18 | itchi | pickcoder: I have here 15 channels on, no stress here :-) |
| 20:57.18 | Bhavesh | back |
| 20:57.23 | dm_ | to install in a raid, i must to put a driver under the installation?? |
| 20:57.25 | solemnwarning | Erm |
| 20:57.28 | pickcoder | or the channel list was pulled up and the link was too slow |
| 20:57.30 | mETz | the_mug: you simply have to add the right repository to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:57.35 | solemnwarning | USB keyboards have a seperate device in X config? |
| 20:57.38 | solemnwarning | I don't see one |
| 20:57.38 | mETz | hmm, nobody knows anything about ifconfig? |
| 20:57.49 | mETz | err ifupdown |
| 20:57.55 | Bhavesh | nope |
| 20:57.56 | mETz | that tool is badly documented :( |
| 20:58.01 | pickcoder | itchi: you don't join all 15 of them at once do you? |
| 20:58.08 | Bhavesh | know got to change /etc/something/something/interface to make it work :) |
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| 20:58.30 | itchi | pickcoder: Right, i move from one to another. But these are now all connected |
| 20:58.30 | mETz | the problem is that it does NOT work if called by another app |
| 20:58.37 | compudaze | /etc/network/interface |
| 20:58.44 | the_mug | mETz: thanks. |
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| 20:59.42 | Bhavesh | never used a USB keyboard.. |
| 20:59.57 | Bhavesh | i would like to get some remote control to get tvtime working using it |
| 21:00.02 | itchi | My keyboard is an USB one. Maybe need i to check |
| 21:00.45 | itchi | It's long time ago i had setup that, but it's same config it's looks |
| 21:01.03 | mETz | yup, and you need usb hid modules |
| 21:01.09 | mETz | and that's actually it iirc |
| 21:01.12 | itchi | Yes |
| 21:01.23 | mETz | usb is quite plugnplay, at least in sid :) |
| 21:01.47 | itchi | Etch here and before was Sarge, go no one of trouble. I like that :-p |
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| 21:01.57 | kennyHH | guten abend |
| 21:01.59 | itchi | s/go/got/ |
| 21:02.25 | itchi | Goede avond |
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| 21:02.40 | Bhavesh | with my sid, i can plug in my digital cam, with right modules loaded, when queried, digikam will find the cam, but digikam can't download the picts on my debian box |
| 21:02.44 | Bhavesh | :) |
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| 21:02.59 | d4d0bre | !kp mantra |
| 21:03.00 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 21:03.15 | itchi | Bhavesh: Is it not reconised as an external HDD? |
| 21:03.28 | nkuttler | Bhavesh: hm, did you try the gphoto command line tool? i guess it's more verbose |
| 21:03.30 | itchi | d4d0bre: You can talk with dpkg in private |
| 21:03.36 | d4d0bre | itchi: i know :) |
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| 21:03.38 | DanielW | hi |
| 21:03.39 | niles | whats a respectable book for linux kernel hacking? with code examples too. (i just took a college course on OS Theory, no code in the book) |
| 21:03.54 | Bhavesh | itchi: i don't think i looked at it that way |
| 21:04.07 | Bhavesh | nkuttler: i will try that when i get home, before i reinstalled sid, it worked flawlessly |
| 21:04.09 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can setup a couple of USB numpads for shortcut keys? |
| 21:04.32 | itchi | Bhavesh: Just /proc/partition it?? |
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| 21:05.45 | itchi | solemnwarning: Maybe look to 'lineak' but that's for multimedia keyboards, but you can define what you want |
| 21:06.14 | itchi | I think that package is now to be are going to orphaned, if i remember. Gona look |
| 21:06.15 | solemnwarning | Will that work on ONLY my USB keypads or will it affect the numpad on my keyboard too? |
| 21:06.24 | Bhavesh | itchi: i will go home and look at it |
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| 21:07.03 | itchi | Bhavesh: Yeah, your digi cam should be detected so. Almost good ones do it that way now |
| 21:08.41 | itchi | Yup, lineak is on the orphaned list |
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| 21:09.14 | itchi | There was another tool, hhhm, what was the name...? |
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| 21:10.14 | nkuttler | itchi: hotkeys i guess |
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| 21:10.23 | itchi | nkuttler: That is it :-) |
| 21:11.02 | itchi | Is hotkeys better than lineak? |
| 21:11.36 | solemnwarning | Well, lineak has no option for only working with USB keyboards so it's no good |
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| 21:12.17 | itchi | yup |
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| 21:12.54 | itchi | I had used that on another comp, worked good for my |
| 21:13.09 | funkmaster | hi ppl =) |
| 21:13.19 | itchi | Maybe, gona test hotkeys when i have a bit more time and want to move my ass |
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| 21:13.26 | solemnwarning | ARGH |
| 21:13.34 | solemnwarning | hotkeys has no USB only option either |
| 21:13.42 | solemnwarning | Setting this up seems impossible -_- |
| 21:14.08 | funkmaster | i have a problem, i have a mount which i can't umount anymore, it's a mount --bind type of mount, also tried umount -f any suggestions? |
| 21:14.28 | valdyn | funkmaster: why cant you |
| 21:14.31 | itchi | funkmaster: Look what are accessing it? |
| 21:15.03 | funkmaster | how can i do that?`i checked in the process manager, i can see other mounts but not this one |
| 21:15.19 | funkmaster | i just get the error that it's busy but how can i find out where? |
| 21:15.33 | nkuttler | funkmaster: lsof | grep /path/to |
| 21:16.05 | funkmaster | doesn't give me output |
| 21:16.08 | funkmaster | just hangs.. |
| 21:16.41 | valdyn | funkmaster: plain lsof will list alot of stuff that may take old of time |
| 21:16.43 | valdyn | !open files |
| 21:16.43 | dpkg | Care to know what program or process has a particular file or port open? lsof (list open files)! the package! the command! lsof is for YOU!!! lsof -i tcp:80; lsof /dev/dsp; lsof -i udp:53; etc... apt-get into today! Also, if you order right now, we'll throw in these hits for free: netstat -upant | grep whatever; fuser -v filename; fuser -v 80/tcp; etc Ask me about <file-nr>. |
| 21:16.47 | madclicker | how do i fix te "df" table or mount table after a lazy unmount ? |
| 21:17.34 | funkmaster | ah oki, thx dude :) |
| 21:17.37 | valdyn | ops, s/old/alot/ |
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| 21:18.54 | valdyn | madclicker: why would you? |
| 21:19.04 | adad | ciao a tutti qlcn parla italiano?? |
| 21:19.14 | pelzi_ | !it |
| 21:19.14 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'č anche il canale #linux-it lā. |
| 21:19.29 | adad | thanks |
| 21:19.40 | madclicker | valdyn, to do a fsck |
| 21:20.12 | valdyn | madclicker: fsck sure has a force switch |
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| 21:22.26 | madclicker | valdyn, can i do an fsck with force on a mounted file system late at night when people are not using it ? |
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| 21:22.55 | valdyn | madclicker: you shouldnt |
| 21:23.13 | neiljp | hmm, well buying a cheap webcam didn't exactly work [sigh] - most of the new drivers need higher kernels :( |
| 21:23.21 | neiljp | (if they work at all) |
| 21:23.27 | valdyn | madclicker: i actually cant find the force switch but anyway you cannot sanely do fsck on a mounted fs, even if no one is using it |
| 21:23.39 | itchi | madclicker: That can damage the fs |
| 21:23.40 | smiler | madclicker: if noone is using it, why dont remount it ro and then fsck? |
| 21:23.49 | madclicker | valdyn, it screws up the backup, every few months fsdump fails due to ext inconsistencies |
| 21:24.15 | valdyn | madclicker: a fs needs to RO or not mounted to check, and it must be unmounted before it is mounted rw again |
| 21:24.35 | smiler | madclicker: mount -o remount,ro /path/to/mountpoint |
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| 21:25.08 | itchi | madclicker: You can do 'touch /forcefsck ; reboot' <- Read good! |
| 21:25.16 | Flimzy | I'm having a hard time getting an integrated Intel i915 video card working with dual-head. the xorg log shows two video devices, one on PCI:0:2:0 and one on PCI:0:2:1. If I try to set up a device section with each BusID, the X server will start, but only on one display. If I use both busID's, the X server won't start at all. Has anyone run into this before? |
| 21:25.18 | madclicker | smiler, and than fsck -f, and "mount -o remount,rw /path/to/mountpoint" ? |
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| 21:25.28 | valdyn | madclicker: NO |
| 21:25.43 | madclicker | bahh |
| 21:25.50 | valdyn | madclicker: remounting a just fscked fs from ro to rw is dangerous |
| 21:26.09 | neiljp | is it possible to (reliably) install an etch kernel deb on a sarge system? (backports has a kernel, but installing it wants to remove hal and hotplug...) |
| 21:26.23 | itchi | neiljp: It will do the same |
| 21:26.24 | smiler | madclicker: remount ro before running fsck.. and run fsck without the -f |
| 21:26.44 | itchi | neiljp: The recenter kernel need other stuff, udev |
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| 21:26.54 | smiler | madclicker: then only remount rw if it comes out clean |
| 21:26.55 | abrotman | Flimzy: you might want to check with #xorg |
| 21:27.12 | Flimzy | good idea |
| 21:27.33 | madclicker | smiler, thanks |
| 21:27.35 | neiljp | itchi: I have udev - I just tried apt-get -t sarge-backports install linux-image-..., which claimed to remove hal & hotplug, but now added those as ones to install and it doesn't want to remove anything, but I'm worried about conflicts :| |
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| 21:28.13 | valdyn | Flimzy: you have a proper ServerLayout section? |
| 21:28.14 | itchi | neiljp: You are on Sarge now ? |
| 21:28.19 | neiljp | itchi: yup |
| 21:28.24 | neiljp | itchi: amd64-k8 |
| 21:28.27 | Flimzy | valdyn: yes. |
| 21:28.30 | itchi | neiljp: You not have udev?? |
| 21:28.43 | neiljp | itchi: no no, I do have udev |
| 21:28.52 | itchi | neiljp: mayb check it out dpkg -l udev |
| 21:29.07 | itchi | neiljp: Sarge is furniched with hotplug?? |
| 21:29.35 | itchi | I have miss an line above i think |
| 21:29.40 | valdyn | neiljp: apt-get cant really act contradicting dependencies |
| 21:29.41 | neiljp | itchi: yes, possibly :) |
| 21:30.13 | neiljp | valdyn: well, I think it was confused wrt pinning backports on low priority, and then only installing/upgrading the linux image deb |
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| 21:30.36 | neiljp | valdyn: when I added hal & hotplug to the apt-get line from backports, it seems to not want to remove them any more :) |
| 21:30.51 | neiljp | ...but I'm still a little concerned that something will break, when playing with kernels :| |
| 21:30.56 | valdyn | neiljp: you need hal / hotplug from bpo, that's all, guess with your setup it cant pull those automatically so adding those manually fixed it |
| 21:31.10 | neiljp | valdyn: yep, guess so |
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| 21:31.17 | neiljp | strange why its installing lilo though... |
| 21:31.23 | shwag | how do I list available updates for my machine without installing them ? |
| 21:31.34 | valdyn | neiljp: sure something can break, but not your way, unless your repositories are broken |
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| 21:32.09 | neiljp | valdyn: well I'm following the bp.o instructions, afaik, but I'm the one who'd get to keep the pieces if it broke ;) |
| 21:32.18 | itchi | neiljp: Hey, how would he remove hotplug if you have udev already installed. I was not missing somethings :-p Or maybe misunderstanding |
| 21:32.21 | msn | I am trying to install ejabberd on debian etch with mysql support I am getting this error http://pastebin.ca/231521 |
| 21:32.43 | PupenoR | I am trying to set up a port forwarding and I've run: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth1 -d 200.123.X.93 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.150:80. What else am I missing for it to work ? |
| 21:32.45 | valdyn | neiljp: maybe it needs a new grub too, i wouldnt know |
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| 21:33.10 | valdyn | neiljp: i'd try adding the bpo grub, lilo shouldnt be required ( unless it cant pull an upgraded alternative automagically. ) |
| 21:33.38 | neiljp | valdyn: yup, that worked :) |
| 21:34.21 | neiljp | valdyn, itchi: thanks :) |
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| 21:34.47 | keyboarder | PupenoR 200.123.X.93 ?? |
| 21:34.58 | keyboarder | why X ? |
| 21:35.21 | PupenoR | keyboarder: to hide the IP here. |
| 21:35.24 | valdyn | PupenoR: why -d whatever ? |
| 21:35.38 | PupenoR | nevermind. |
| 21:35.59 | valdyn | PupenoR: you probably dont want to have a -d |
| 21:36.04 | dendrite | PupenoR: With -A you need to make sure no earlier rule in the chain is dispatching the packet. |
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| 21:37.00 | dendrite | PupenoR: Does the box with the iptables rules have multiple public IP addresses? |
| 21:37.22 | valdyn | ... on eth1 |
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| 21:43.48 | unlink | i set browser.download.dir and browser.download.downloadDir to /home/trevor in firefox, but it still downloads to /home/trevor/Desktop. I'm using GNOME on debian unstable. what might i be doing wrong? |
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| 21:44.19 | Cooner750 | Running Debian in vmware |
| 21:44.20 | unlink | browser.download.useDownloadDir is set to true, as per the default |
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| 21:45.13 | itchi | Cooner750: It's already an super good begin, near it will be run without virtualisation on your box. So lovefull :-p |
| 21:45.27 | esteel | unlink: there is also browser.download.lastDir .. but i'm not sure if it will help you.. |
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| 21:46.25 | itchi | Cooner750: Some questions about Debian? |
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| 21:47.21 | Tenkawa | Any recommendations on a pci wireless nic that works well with debian? |
| 21:47.34 | unlink | get an atheros |
| 21:47.45 | Tenkawa | unlink: thats what I was thinking too |
| 21:48.26 | unlink | esteel: thanks; creating that key fixed it |
| 21:48.54 | Tenkawa | cheching out madwifi's site atm |
| 21:48.59 | unlink | intel pro wireless 2200 is a good card; but make sure it's the 2200 (2100 might work fine, but other ipws are poorly/not supported) |
| 21:49.10 | unlink | i have a 3945 and it's a headache |
| 21:49.20 | Cooner750 | It's asking to install GRUB. let it? |
| 21:49.29 | esteel | unlink: hehe.. unexpected but good :) |
| 21:49.34 | funkmaster | hey ppl somehow my debian sarge is giving me problems when i do 'apt-get upgrade' the error says it has something to do with webmin-proftpd , i try to ermove it, also doesn't work, the ouput is here http://pastebin.ca/231557 any could help me fixing this? |
| 21:50.02 | unlink | esteel: the Save all files to this folder... still says Desktop *boggle* |
| 21:50.36 | esteel | unlink: hmm why don't you use the firefox gui to set the paths? that should work.. |
| 21:50.40 | itchi | Cooner750: You need an bootload. The 2 biggest choices are Grub an Lilo. I go for Grub |
| 21:50.54 | itchi | Cooner750: ... an bootloader ... |
| 21:51.05 | stew | funkmaster: i'd just skip the prerm, add "exit 0" as the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-proftpd.prerm |
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| 21:52.42 | Tenkawa | Dynex DX-WGDTC looks like a candidate |
| 21:52.53 | Cooner750 | seems to be working well in vmware |
| 21:53.03 | Cooner750 | video is choppy |
| 21:53.09 | Cooner750 | but that's all |
| 21:53.18 | funkmaster | stew: cool thx dude, that worked :) |
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| 21:53.54 | funkmaster | then i got another question: i got like 390 pakcages kept back when i do upgrade, why? can't i get them? |
| 21:54.05 | stew | funkmaster: if you actually use webmin, that error was a sign that something is wrong with it |
| 21:54.06 | itchi | Cooner750: Vmware is the top, to be honnest. But there are nice alternatieves like Qemu for example that work a bit slower |
| 21:54.11 | stew | funkmaster: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 21:55.32 | funkmaster | i just tried to do install one of the packages by apt-get install apt and it worked.. |
| 21:57.03 | funkmaster | hm now the apt-get upgrade seems to work |
| 21:57.20 | itchi | funkmaster: Good work, dude! |
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| 21:58.10 | OmnipotentEntity | hi, does anyone know, off of the top of their head, where apt puts the packages it downloads? |
| 21:58.33 | brick | in /var/cache/apt i think |
| 21:58.38 | OmnipotentEntity | thanks. |
| 21:58.39 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.42 | itchi | OmnipotentEntity: Just about curiousity. Why want you to know that? |
| 22:00.58 | itchi | I guess you want to clean these ? |
| 22:01.15 | funkmaster | damn didn't work |
| 22:01.22 | funkmaster | it just stops with no error |
| 22:01.23 | funkmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.23 | funkmaster | Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:01.24 | funkmaster | Building dependency tree... Done |
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| 22:01.42 | unlink | use apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean |
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| 22:01.52 | OmnipotentEntity | itchi, no. |
| 22:02.01 | OmnipotentEntity | I needed to find a package to send to someone else. |
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| 22:02.11 | unlink | ah |
| 22:02.19 | funkmaster | sorry everybody |
| 22:02.22 | OmnipotentEntity | with an Ubuntu box, and I didn't feel like changing the sources.list just for that. |
| 22:02.52 | _fat | lazy bugger |
| 22:02.54 | funkmaster | i meant to paste the link http://pastebin.ca/231568 |
| 22:03.13 | itchi | OmnipotentEntity: Btw, you can download(access) each deb file via an webinterface. Maybe can it also help you |
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| 22:03.26 | OmnipotentEntity | Yeah, but it's faster across a lan. :3 |
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| 22:07.08 | unlink | are there any convenience packages for setting up a repository? |
| 22:08.05 | stew | unlink: apt-ftparchive and dpkg-scanpackages from dpkg-dev, /msg dpkg repository |
| 22:08.25 | stew | unlink: oh apt-ftparchive is in apt-utils |
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| 22:09.08 | stew | funkmaster: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 22:14.22 | sandman | Is there way to change what sound daemon firefox uses? |
| 22:15.00 | streuner | What do you use OSS or ALSA? :-) |
| 22:15.10 | funkmaster | stew: what command do i use ith dpkg? |
| 22:15.18 | stew | dpkg: tell funkmaster about kept back |
| 22:15.18 | h3sp4wn | sandman: there is a way to make firefox use aoss |
| 22:15.42 | unlink | what's the easiest way to mirror (a subset of) a repository? |
| 22:15.46 | ofer0 | sandman, you can run it through esd |
| 22:15.51 | unlink | in such a way that you could install from it |
| 22:16.07 | stew | funkmaster: "apt-get install packagename" will install a kept back pacakge. or use dist-upgrade (but be careful) or use the aptitude frontend |
| 22:16.31 | funkmaster | yes i know but 300 packages r kept back, so i need to do it with each one of them... |
| 22:16.41 | funkmaster | ? |
| 22:16.43 | stew | funkmaster: no |
| 22:17.19 | funkmaster | i did said, 'apt' was one of the packages kept back, the apt-get install apt worked |
| 22:17.40 | funkmaster | sorry meant 'that' instead of 'said' |
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| 22:19.05 | funkmaster | ah another one does not work, dependency problem, broken packages |
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| 22:19.54 | fs-a | hi, anyone with a fast fix for the azureus not starting on current sid? |
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| 22:25.46 | abrotman | use another program to steal movies? |
| 22:26.09 | unlink | abrotman: have you stopped beating your wife? |
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| 22:26.53 | abrotman | unlink: i have a wife? |
| 22:27.27 | mcsmurf | is this the official Debian channel? |
| 22:27.33 | mcsmurf | if there is such a thing... |
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| 22:27.49 | itchi | mcsmurf: kug, why would it be not? |
| 22:27.59 | daedalus_ | funkmaster, You probably want to use something like aptitude, dselect, or synaptic |
| 22:28.00 | unlink | thought we moved to oftc |
| 22:28.05 | mcsmurf | don't know, maybe they have their own server :) |
| 22:28.10 | abrotman | mcsmurf: kind of |
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| 22:28.25 | abrotman | mcsmurf: the cname for irc.debian.org points to OFTC |
| 22:28.28 | unlink | daedalus_: probably about time to sweep dselect under the carpet |
| 22:28.31 | abrotman | mcsmurf: but this is probably just as good as that one |
| 22:28.38 | mcsmurf | hm |
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| 22:28.46 | daedalus_ | OFTC has official support, but I think freenode is just about as good. Lots of people sit in both |
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| 22:29.13 | mcsmurf | actually I was looking for eric (the maintainer) |
| 22:29.17 | ex0s | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.17 | daedalus_ | unlink: dselect works. It's ugly, but it works.... |
| 22:29.19 | mcsmurf | of Firefox |
| 22:29.25 | itchi | I was replien on 'if there is such a thing ...' |
| 22:29.28 | ex0s | i have tried to reinstall all those applications several times |
| 22:29.34 | unlink | daedalus_: so does wget + dpkg |
| 22:29.38 | ex0s | and the same time several times |
| 22:29.46 | ex0s | and the same problem |
| 22:29.59 | fs-a | abrotman: i hot debian .iso images |
| 22:30.00 | abrotman | mcsmurf: any particular reason ? |
| 22:30.03 | fs-a | abrotman: i host debian .iso images |
| 22:30.07 | abrotman | yay? |
| 22:30.19 | fs-a | yay |
| 22:30.24 | itchi | ex0s: apt-get remove --purge <pkg> |
| 22:30.26 | abrotman | what does that have to do with azereus ? |
| 22:30.38 | mcsmurf | abrotman: I'm wondering where/if the FF2 package in Ubuntu is coming from |
| 22:30.45 | ex0s | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.53 | itchi | ex0s: You need to purge it |
| 22:30.54 | mcsmurf | abrotman: it says maintainer eric, but the build id is the one from FF2 Beta 2 |
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| 22:31.09 | mcsmurf | I'm confused if this is actually the final FF2 build they have... |
| 22:31.17 | mcsmurf | their user-agent says yes, the build id says no |
| 22:31.19 | abrotman | mcsmurf: you'd want to ask #ubuntu .. don't you think ? |
| 22:31.43 | mcsmurf | abrotman: the info file says maintainer eric@debian, so I guess they took the build from them? hmm |
| 22:31.47 | mcsmurf | not sure |
| 22:32.01 | ex0s | jt |
| 22:32.08 | ex0s | itchi thx, now it worked =) |
| 22:32.19 | abrotman | mcsmurf: so ask #ubuntu .. i have no idea where their FF2 build came from |
| 22:32.22 | itchi | ex0s: --purge ;-) |
| 22:32.36 | mcsmurf | abrotman: they compile all apps themselves again? |
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| 22:32.43 | mcsmurf | even if the maintainer is from debian? |
| 22:32.50 | abrotman | mcsmurf: i have no idea .. that's why they have their own support channel |
| 22:32.52 | itchi | ex0s: Just pay a bit more attention the next time ;-) |
| 22:33.05 | mcsmurf | heh just say that you don't know for sure ;) |
| 22:33.12 | abrotman | i just did |
| 22:33.24 | ex0s | itchi i will, :/ sorry =) |
| 22:33.25 | Trewas | mcsmurf: it says the debian maintainer in Original-Maintainer field, the ubuntu maintainer is mentioned in Maintainer field |
| 22:33.45 | mcsmurf | Maintainer: Eric Dorland <ericATdebian.org> |
| 22:33.48 | stew | mcsmurf: ubuntu patches firefox heavily on their own, so they must rebuild it, but you really should be asking ubuntu related questions in #ubuntu, not here, its off-topic here |
| 22:33.57 | abrotman | mcsmurf: yes .. ask #ubuntu .. |
| 22:34.04 | fs-a | azureus from its site seems to just run.. |
| 22:34.09 | abrotman | mcsmurf: you got the package from them .. we have no idea what they do to their packages |
| 22:34.16 | mcsmurf | Trewas: somehow there is no original-maintainer, oh well ;) |
| 22:34.33 | Trewas | mcsmurf: not in my ubuntu, but this is the wrong channel indeed :) |
| 22:35.08 | itchi | ex0s: It's for you that i say it ;-) |
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| 22:37.54 | unlink | is it possible in the netinstall to pick a custom repository? |
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| 22:38.48 | itchi | unlink: You have the chioce, you can select to manually enter one |
| 22:39.06 | unlink | okay |
| 22:39.18 | unlink | can you configure the network manually as well? |
| 22:39.31 | stew | unlink: yes |
| 22:39.47 | unlink | thanks. |
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| 22:47.06 | jooopyme | If I mount portage with -o bind to few images, does the bind option will shild from simultaneous writes? |
| 22:47.18 | jooopyme | sorry |
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| 22:47.42 | jooopyme | If I mount with -o bind to few images, does the bind option will shild from simultaneous writes? |
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| 22:49.57 | TrickOrTreat | hello |
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| 22:50.38 | itchi | househead: Are you logged as root user ? |
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| 22:51.39 | itchi | househead: Propable you can not talk here as root user |
| 22:52.00 | itchi | arg typo's it's near time to go sleep |
| 22:52.45 | kyevan | Mrah. Has anyone gotten python2.5 to work yet? |
| 22:53.32 | kyevan | It always fails for me, claiming it needs to be installed to install itself. The bugtracker says fixed but... it isn't |
| 22:53.32 | ikex | hey does anyone know what package provides apache2-ssl-certificate . i can't seem to find it? |
| 22:53.58 | itchi | keyboarder: On Sid? |
| 22:54.09 | TrickOrTreat | ever since I did the latest dist-upgrade (I'm using etch), I've been having a lot of erratic behavior in kde that seems to focus on the fonts. For example, the menu shows icons but no fonts, when I linger over an icon on my desktop, the window that comes out is devoid of any writing, when using firefox, parts of the text on some websites appear blank but sometimes reappear when I scroll, and are visible if I highlight the area, and kon |
| 22:54.09 | TrickOrTreat | sole does not display any text. anyone have an idea on how to fix this? |
| 22:55.07 | kyevan | TrickOrTreat: Probably, dist-upgrade removed the package the font was in... |
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| 22:55.39 | cyberix | Where can I change the amount of questions Debian asks me during upgrade? |
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| 22:55.50 | TrickOrTreat | kyevan, how can I find out what package that was and how to get it back? |
| 22:55.52 | kyevan | Also, TrickOrTreat, is that name normal, or just for today? :P |
| 22:55.59 | itchi | keyboarder: Here on Etch 2.5 is running |
| 22:56.01 | kyevan | TrickOrTreat: I... don't know... |
| 22:56.05 | TrickOrTreat | kyevan, hehe. just for today |
| 22:56.42 | itchi | TrickOrTreat: Look the dpkg log or so? |
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| 22:57.59 | cyberix | I remember a package asking me the level of control I wanted while packages are installed and upgraded |
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| 22:57.59 | cyberix | I just cannot remember the name of that package. |
| 22:57.59 | kyevan | TrickOrTreat: itchi is probably right. Oh, and you may want to try to read it in a non-kde app :P |
| 22:58.10 | Zic_ | hi, sorry for my idiot question but : I don't found the Netinst ISO for Debian unstable : SID |
| 22:58.15 | Zic_ | who is it ? |
| 22:58.30 | TrickOrTreat | kyevan, yeah, xterm still has fonts |
| 22:58.32 | Ronin | Zic_: thats because there isnt one |
| 22:58.41 | craigevil | there isnt a netinstall for Sid |
| 22:59.13 | Zic_ | Ronin: so, for X.Org, I can choose testing version ? |
| 22:59.27 | itchi | Zic_: Sarge too, with backports |
| 22:59.29 | Ronin | Zic_: no, you can do stable and use backports if you choose to |
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| 22:59.59 | h3sp4wn | Zic_: You can install unstable directly with {c}debootstrap - from any live cd |
| 23:00.01 | itchi | Zic_: Maybe, why want you Sid (Unstable)? |
| 23:00.13 | Zic_ | because, I try to start GNOME with XFree86, I have try many possibilities of configuration and only many errors ... |
| 23:00.25 | Zic_ | (sorry for my language, I'm french :>) |
| 23:00.35 | Ronin | !fr |
| 23:00.35 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:00.36 | itchi | Zic_: For each problem are an sollution |
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| 23:00.39 | stew | Zic_: what errors? |
| 23:00.44 | Ronin | or we can try to help here, one problem at a time |
| 23:00.55 | itchi | Zic_: No problem with french, just writing is somethings others |
| 23:01.04 | stew | Zic_: switching to sid to get rid of errors is not really a good idea |
| 23:01.15 | Ronin | Zic_: very true stew |
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| 23:02.07 | Zic_ | stew: I use Ubuntu in my Desktop computer, so, Ubuntu is based on unstable branch of debian wright ? I want to try Debian unstable in qemu, beacause XFree86 sux :> |
| 23:02.36 | diazepam | guys - installed openvpn on several debian etch machines last night and the tap/tun device was not automatically installed as per documentation - any suggestions? |
| 23:02.39 | Ronin | Zic_: can YOU fix it when sid breaks? |
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| 23:02.49 | itchi | Zic_: Nothings suck, or everythings sucks |
| 23:02.53 | Zic_ | hmm, It's simply for X.Org :) |
| 23:03.06 | stew | Zic_: you can install xorg on sarge, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:03.08 | Ronin | Zic_: then sarge with backports or etch/testing |
| 23:03.12 | streuner_ | Zic_: it would be easy if there is a sid iso, but there isn't one... |
| 23:03.32 | itchi | Zic_: Try again, and come back with your errors. We will be happy to help you |
| 23:03.42 | TrickOrTreat | well, I couldn't find any font files that were removed |
| 23:03.51 | streuner_ | Zic_: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:04.00 | Zic_ | This install is for only testing, I can install a testing version with any problems ;) |
| 23:04.03 | ihope_ | Well, if they're removed, no wonder you couldn't find them. |
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| 23:04.05 | ihope_ | :-P |
| 23:04.12 | kyevan | Ronin: To be fair, sid isn't that hard to fix... usually. |
| 23:04.16 | craigevil | Zic_: just use Etch xorg version is the same in Etch and Sid at the moment |
| 23:04.39 | itchi | kyevan: Depending of your level and the motivation of computers |
| 23:04.40 | Ronin | kyevan: for some but definitely not for us mere mortals :) |
| 23:04.43 | Zic_ | For my errors, it's localized on fonts, (apt-get install xfonts-base don't work) and configuration of mouse |
| 23:04.54 | Zic_ | and a fatal error "no screen found" |
| 23:05.03 | Ronin | and if you have font problems going to sid isnt a good thing to do |
| 23:05.07 | Zic_ | I precise : I use QEMU for this test |
| 23:05.08 | kyevan | Ronin: Heh. I'm pretty sure I fall in the "Mere mortals" section :P |
| 23:05.14 | itchi | Zic_: Classique |
| 23:05.28 | kyevan | Just, an INSANE mere mortal :P |
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| 23:05.36 | Zic_ | So, I'm looking for backport of X.Org in Stable, thx |
| 23:05.36 | stew | Zic_: put your /var/log/XFree86.0.log and your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 into a pastebin |
| 23:05.37 | buggarage | ups |
| 23:05.38 | buggarage | what library or program can cause xmms not to connect to shoutcast servers ? |
| 23:05.41 | itchi | Zic_: I guess it's to late now, you no more have that install? |
| 23:05.41 | stew | Zic_: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:06.12 | craigevil | you can keep from having problems in Sid by using apt-listbugs and reading the user maling list |
| 23:06.13 | Ronin | Zic_: why not just fix the font problem as well as the no screens found? |
| 23:06.17 | streuner_ | buggarage: xmms usually just work fine, what's the problem? |
| 23:06.44 | Zic_ | stew: too late, I've del my Debian.img hard disk of QEMU ... Because after many tentatives, any solutions in the morning ... |
| 23:07.08 | stew | Zic_: backports.org has a backport of x.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:07.47 | buggarage | streuner i'm on etch, and defined some pin priorities which i assume to not be correct at the moment, pin priority set to 1100 for stable, then afterwards xmms would not connect! |
| 23:07.50 | Zic_ | stew: It's not more simply for me an install of Etch ? (testing) |
| 23:08.01 | Zic_ | stew: with more recent packages ? :) |
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| 23:08.36 | stew | Zic_: maybe? |
| 23:08.39 | buggarage | had the same problem on sarge before with xmms |
| 23:08.39 | streuner_ | buggarage: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:08.45 | stew | Zic_: its not going to make X any easier |
| 23:08.46 | buggarage | wait |
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| 23:09.08 | stew | buggarage: are you trying to mix stable and testing? |
| 23:09.44 | Zic_ | stew: I'm more friendly with X.Org :) |
| 23:09.51 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 23:09.52 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 23:09.56 | Zic_ | stew: XFree86 don't listen to me ^^ |
| 23:10.01 | buggarage | uptodate 2.3.6.ds1-4 |
| 23:10.05 | streuner | same goes for pining ;-) |
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| 23:10.40 | streuner | buggarage: how about to set all lines in sources.list to "etch"? |
| 23:10.53 | streuner | and disable pinning |
| 23:11.00 | buggarage | stew: yes |
| 23:11.12 | stew | buggarage: mixing stable and testing is neither recommended nor supported |
| 23:11.25 | buggarage | streuner: hmm, it was set before, but since i wanted the base system to be of sarge and not etch .... |
| 23:11.25 | Zic_ | I'm not afraid to use a testing version, I'm using Ubuntu Edgy Eft with still many bugs ... |
| 23:11.28 | Zic_ | huhu :) |
| 23:11.36 | Ronin | Zic_: then do sarge and backports |
| 23:11.36 | stew | buggarage: you are pretty much running testing now, as you have upgraded libc6, so you might as well finish upgrading to etch aka testing |
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| 23:12.16 | buggarage | stew: ok i'll use etch then |
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| 23:12.24 | Zic_ | Ronin: you can confirm ? a simply apt-get install xserver-xorg gdm gnome ? |
| 23:12.26 | h3sp4wn | Zic_: ubuntu edgy eft has more bugs than sid fwiw (The only difference is the willingness of people to help you with it) |
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| 23:12.37 | Zic_ | and, for the "xfonts-base" package ? |
| 23:12.41 | antiPoP | hi people |
| 23:12.43 | EvilSporkMan | kinda OT, but my computer's a bit "dead". I woke up and it was off (had left it on); it turns on fine, but doesn't wake up the monitor ("no signal |
| 23:12.57 | itchi | Zic_: Testing and Unstable is more recomended for those who know how to fix somethings when there are problems. |
| 23:13.00 | EvilSporkMan | "), doesn't respond to the keyboard, and won't let me open the optical drives. |
| 23:13.02 | antiPoP | is there any way to recover the vsftpd login and passwd info?? |
| 23:13.02 | streuner | h3sp4wn: crap |
| 23:13.16 | streuner | h3sp4wn: Don't tell people unstable is stable |
| 23:13.16 | stew | Zic_: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 23:13.26 | Zic_ | stew: no, with backport of xserver-xorg :) |
| 23:13.29 | h3sp4wn | streuner: Have you ever tried using edgy eft ? |
| 23:13.30 | Ronin | ack |
| 23:13.34 | stew | Zic_: with or without |
| 23:13.34 | streuner | no |
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| 23:13.35 | Zic_ | stew: in Debian Sarge 3.1 ... |
| 23:13.39 | Ronin | can only type it so many times |
| 23:13.52 | EvilSporkMan | thoughts? |
| 23:14.01 | alaisd | heyas |
| 23:14.02 | g3brown | I've install Debian 3.1 on VMWare in windows many times before. I can't seem to get X installed and running on the new r3 release. Anyone else experienced this? |
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| 23:14.08 | Zic_ | stew: with, I can use backport ... |
| 23:14.09 | stew | Zic_: then apt-get -t sarge-backports install x-window-system-core |
| 23:14.11 | streuner | h3sp4wn: i know unstable, and its possible that unstable doesn't work within 5 minutes. |
| 23:14.22 | itchi | g3brown: What's the error you get? |
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| 23:14.46 | Zic_ | stew: the x-window-system-core installing XFree or X.Org ? I don't understand this ... |
| 23:14.53 | stew | Zic_: yes, either |
| 23:14.57 | stew | Zic_: what driver were you trying to use with xfree? |
| 23:14.58 | Zic_ | ok, thx :) |
| 23:14.58 | thingfish | EvilSporkMan: cpu, memory, or motherboard. have you tried shutting the computer off, unplugging it, and then removing the cmos battery for a minute or so, then replacing it? |
| 23:15.07 | Zic_ | stew: ati or circus driver |
| 23:15.12 | Zic_ | ati it's my first choice |
| 23:15.19 | h3sp4wn | streuner: Possible - but maybe you don't understand to what level edgy eft is broken |
| 23:15.27 | stew | Zic_: you have more than one video card? |
| 23:15.30 | EvilSporkMan | thingfish: there's a CCMOS1 jumper - i moved it to the other two pins and left it for a few minutes, then moved it back |
| 23:15.31 | alaisd | i am trying to upgrade from woody to sarge, with a bunch of in-house custom packages, and i have several that wont compile for me... and they all produce the same issues, i am pretty sure i am missing something from my build environment, but i have nfi what, anybody possibly able to help with this? |
| 23:15.32 | Zic_ | stew: but, the dpkg-reconfigure suggest me "circus" driver |
| 23:15.36 | EvilSporkMan | after unplugging |
| 23:15.40 | stew | Zic_: never heard of it |
| 23:15.45 | Zic_ | Stevie: no, but it's a QEMU Config, so it's strange ... |
| 23:15.57 | EvilSporkMan | the computer is not beeping when I turn it on, but I can't remember whether it ever did that reliably |
| 23:15.57 | Zic_ | stew : me too :) |
| 23:16.04 | g3brown | itchi: Installing it again now. It appears to just not install in this newest release as it doesn't start the gui at the end. If I try to startx I get sometihng saying there is no .xsession in home and no desktop manager installed. |
| 23:16.39 | Zic_ | I have a second question when Debian is re-installing, my english is very poor or not for the moment ? :> |
| 23:16.47 | Zic_ | huhu :) |
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| 23:17.10 | itchi | g3brown: You mean after selecting "Desktop Environment" in the 'tasksel'? |
| 23:17.21 | g3brown | itchi: exactly |
| 23:17.42 | itchi | g3brown: Maybe look again with tasksel? Sure it is been selected? |
| 23:17.42 | h3sp4wn | streuner: I never said unstable is stable - I said it is more stable than ubuntu edgy eft (which I believe to be true having tested both) |
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| 23:18.08 | streuner | but that's implies for some people unstable would be stable... |
| 23:18.22 | ex0s | any one here know if it's possible to make a full image of the whole debian system and then export that image to a destination ftp |
| 23:18.22 | ex0s | ? |
| 23:18.35 | TeacherTodd813 | Can someone tell me how to download a bunch of .deb packages to a CD to install onto a bunch of computers? |
| 23:18.43 | g3brown | itchi: yeah. This is like my 5 install from scratch. I tried selected other items as well, along with diff xserver vga drivers. |
| 23:18.44 | itchi | EvilSporkMan: Remove the power cable for an minute and plug it again |
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| 23:19.04 | itchi | (20 seconds) |
| 23:19.07 | EvilSporkMan | itchi: it was unplugged while i was dusting |
| 23:19.08 | Zic_ | h3sp4wn: I'm agree with you, but, for my desktop, I use only Ubuntu, and recently, for my Server, I use the Ubuntu-Server solution ... I try to install debian because, in the past, I have stopped to try Debian suddenly ... |
| 23:19.24 | TeacherTodd813 | I'd like to script the process, so I can put in the CD, sudo the script and move on. (And do 5-6 comps at a time.) |
| 23:19.24 | itchi | EvilSporkMan: Aaih, then it's hardware probably |
| 23:19.24 | andreiutz | i want to install debian sarge on my laptop (netinstall) . at first with the option "linux26" the system hanged at detecting the pcmcia . i rebooted and used the "linux26" -pcmia option and it took me to the next step to partition the hdd . but then it didn't see any hdd on my sistem . maybe because it's a sata type ? |
| 23:19.30 | TeacherTodd813 | I'm also open to other suggestions. |
| 23:19.54 | streuner | andreiutz: try newer kernel then |
| 23:20.13 | streuner | andreiutz: like kmuto's installer |
| 23:20.19 | itchi | Zic_: Use Etch and Sid at your own risk! |
| 23:20.44 | Zic_ | itchi: I'm okay, but I'm a geek, so, I love the risk ;) |
| 23:20.50 | EvilSporkMan | how do i tell CPU vs. processor vs. memory? |
| 23:20.53 | EvilSporkMan | er, CPU vs. mobo |
| 23:21.02 | itchi | Zic_: Then it can be are _the_ thing to do |
| 23:21.12 | andreiutz | streuner, the newer kernel with netinstall available is 26 |
| 23:21.36 | itchi | Zic_: Just know, if you can not fix an problem, not cry about it ... |
| 23:21.37 | stew | andreiutz: he's talking about: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:21.40 | thingfish | EvilSporkMan: you hopefully have spare parts you can swap out until you isolate the malfunctioning component. |
| 23:21.52 | andreiutz | how could i install etch? |
| 23:21.59 | EvilSporkMan | oh, yeah, i just keep socket 754 processors in my closet ;) |
| 23:22.01 | streuner | stew: sounds like a d-i problem |
| 23:22.03 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:22.09 | itchi | Zic_: But Testing should be are the top, so that you can eventually Test the stuff and report anomalies and fixing it |
| 23:22.30 | TeacherTodd813 | I've tried using apt-get and aptitude, but can't figure out how to download dependencies in addition to the actual packages I want. |
| 23:22.50 | stew | itchi: "Testing should be are the top"? what? |
| 23:22.52 | streuner | andreiutz: which iso did you use? URL? |
| 23:22.59 | itchi | Zic_: But i need to add that we not recomend Etch, Sid to /normal/ people. Debian have strick rules; Stable! |
| 23:23.39 | Zic_ | itchi: I know it, I have the practice to install beta version in a separated machine for many test, or in QEMU if the test-machine if already runing :) |
| 23:23.42 | EvilSporkMan | oh, I'm running testing, that must be why nothing happens when i turn the thing on ;) |
| 23:23.55 | itchi | stew: If it's an geek and love the /computer/ and some (learn) risks |
| 23:24.01 | Zic_ | itchi: it's normal, Stable rocks :) |
| 23:24.10 | EvilSporkMan | stable is older than dirt |
| 23:24.22 | stew | itchi: you are not making sense |
| 23:24.25 | Ronin | EvilSporkMan: not even hardly |
| 23:24.48 | andreiutz | streuner, i used the official 3.1 r3 |
| 23:24.50 | toddobryan | Anybody? I'm trying to move my high school computer lab over to Linux, but getting all the packages onto all the machines is kind of a pain... |
| 23:25.00 | itchi | stew: Yeah i write it badly down. I meaned if he like computers, learn more about it that normal usage. Learning the internals of the os and so |
| 23:25.17 | streuner | andreiutz: ok, listen to stew then and check out the URL he gaves you |
| 23:25.25 | EvilSporkMan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:25.37 | andreiutz | ok |
| 23:25.51 | Ronin | EvilSporkMan: so? |
| 23:25.57 | andreiutz | stew, thank you |
| 23:26.07 | EvilSporkMan | so OO.O's dated, for exampl |
| 23:26.11 | itchi | stew: Hope is a bit more clear? Sorry my english is a bit of spahetti some(most) time |
| 23:26.20 | Ronin | so? it gets updates not new versions |
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| 23:26.37 | EvilSporkMan | i thought stable only got security updates |
| 23:26.44 | Ronin | it does |
| 23:26.50 | Ronin | its what i meant to type but didnt |
| 23:26.52 | andreiutz | how can i install etch ? |
| 23:26.54 | EvilSporkMan | therefore all the software is a year old |
| 23:27.01 | cobelloy | hi, is there any way to find out what port my mouse is on? |
| 23:27.03 | streuner | !tell andreiutz about d-i |
| 23:27.07 | EvilSporkMan | internet dirt was invented 3 months ago ;) |
| 23:27.08 | Ronin | EvilSporkMan: so what, its stable, for some thats more important then bleeding edge |
| 23:27.09 | cobelloy | for the xfree conf |
| 23:27.20 | stew | cobelloy: apt-cache show mdetect |
| 23:27.25 | Ronin | me for example EvilSporkMan :) |
| 23:27.27 | stew | cobelloy: use /dev/input/mice |
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| 23:27.54 | cobelloy | stew, use /dev/input/mice - in the conf file? |
| 23:28.46 | pickcoder | cobelloy: make sure that device exists |
| 23:29.00 | cobelloy | ok, |
| 23:29.05 | pickcoder | cobelloy: is it a PS/2? |
| 23:29.07 | cobelloy | also - just looked at mdetect |
| 23:29.13 | stew | cobelloy: yes. and make sure mousedev is loaded |
| 23:29.22 | cobelloy | no, it is one of those one button usb mice for an imac |
| 23:29.29 | pickcoder | ok |
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| 23:29.46 | cobelloy | mousedev, so I would do : modprobe mousedev ? |
| 23:29.54 | stew | cobelloy: yeah, and put it in /etc/modules |
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| 23:30.01 | cobelloy | ok |
| 23:30.11 | cobelloy | how do I do that from cmd line? |
| 23:30.30 | stew | cobelloy: "echo mousedev >> /etc/modules" would do it, note: >> and NOT > |
| 23:30.57 | cobelloy | module mousedev not found |
| 23:31.06 | stew | cobelloy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:31.17 | stew | cobelloy: its a custom kernel? |
| 23:31.29 | cobelloy | 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 23:31.42 | cobelloy | it is the ppc version - for the imac |
| 23:31.47 | rizzzo | How can I upgrade to make 3.81? |
| 23:32.33 | cobelloy | so will mdetect work if mousedev is not loaded? |
| 23:32.53 | stew | cobelloy: yes |
| 23:33.08 | cobelloy | I just type in mdetect? |
| 23:33.22 | stew | cobelloy: if that doesn't work, you might try #debianppc |
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| 23:33.33 | cobelloy | theres nobody around in there |
| 23:33.42 | k-man_ | im getting this error since i rebooted: set_rtc_mmss: can't update from 57 to 2 |
| 23:33.56 | cobelloy | i tried there yesterday too and found no-one |
| 23:34.11 | pickcoder | I wonder how Debian would run on a new HP TC4400 tablet |
| 23:34.24 | bkw | Are there any texlive package to install truetype fonts automaticlly? |
| 23:35.03 | itchi | cobelloy: There is #debianppc if you want |
| 23:35.06 | bkw | texlive-fonts-extra - TeX Live: Extra fonts maybe? |
| 23:35.16 | itchi | cobelloy: I not know about ppc |
| 23:35.21 | cobelloy | itchi: I am in that room too |
| 23:35.23 | bkw | can I get more specifc info about that package? |
| 23:35.26 | cobelloy | no answers there |
| 23:35.55 | pickcoder | cobelloy: mdetect didn't findi t? |
| 23:35.58 | itchi | cobelloy: Because of lesser ppc users?? I not have such type of arch |
| 23:36.00 | pickcoder | s/t/it |
| 23:36.42 | cobelloy | pickcoder: I just ran it, it was a while, but produced no on screen output |
| 23:36.49 | cobelloy | just reading the help now |
| 23:37.07 | cobelloy | do I have xfree 3.x or 4.x ? |
| 23:37.11 | pickcoder | are you trying to get your mouse to work in Xorg? |
| 23:37.35 | eeyore- | tex live? interesting concept |
| 23:37.35 | cobelloy | in xfree |
| 23:37.49 | cobelloy | mdetect produces output for xfree |
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| 23:38.01 | cobelloy | but I need to know what version of xfree Ive got |
| 23:38.08 | cobelloy | 3.x or 4.x |
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| 23:38.12 | jatt | please consider the following test case for dash: |
| 23:38.12 | jatt | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4309 |
| 23:38.12 | jatt | dash complains with: |
| 23:38.12 | jatt | [: 9: ==: unexpected operator |
| 23:38.13 | eeyore- | wonder if that's "tex live" as in "live cd" or "tex live" as in, "hey, it still lives!" :-) (ok ok, i gotcha) |
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| 23:38.18 | cobelloy | which does debian use? |
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| 23:38.34 | cobelloy | is there a way I can find out? |
| 23:38.37 | jatt | hm |
| 23:39.01 | eeyore- | cobelloy: why don't you just read the X log file? /var/log/X* |
| 23:39.09 | amonbish | you tell me ;) |
| 23:39.26 | cobelloy | eeyore-: for what reason - what info is there? |
| 23:39.43 | cobelloy | xfree version? |
| 23:39.53 | Kerr | cobelloy: type xdpyinfo | less |
| 23:39.59 | Kerr | cobelloy: should be the fifth line down |
| 23:40.29 | cobelloy | less - command not found |
| 23:40.34 | Kerr | k |
| 23:40.36 | cobelloy | apt-get install less ? |
| 23:40.39 | Kerr | just xdpyinfo |
| 23:40.44 | Kerr | and scroll up to the top |
| 23:40.47 | Caelum | I'm trying to use stow, and I get: CONFLICT: /usr/local/stow/pugs-svn/man vs. /usr/local/man how do I fix that? |
| 23:40.49 | eeyore- | mmm hmmmm |
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| 23:41.00 | cobelloy | unable to open display |
| 23:41.04 | pickcoder | you should install less, though, if you are in the console a lot |
| 23:41.06 | rizzzo | I tried adding the testing repository and running apt-get -t testing upgrade make -f but that seems to want to install/upgrade a lot mroe than just make... |
| 23:41.14 | eeyore- | mmm hmmmm, and why are we not reading the log file? |
| 23:41.25 | cobelloy | eeyore-: how do I do that? |
| 23:41.26 | Caelum | or use /usr/share/vim/vim70/macros/less.sh instead of less :) |
| 23:41.48 | eeyore- | cobelloy: /var/log/X*.log <- names can differ between XFree and Xorg ... so look |
| 23:42.29 | cobelloy | permission denied !! |
| 23:42.33 | cobelloy | but I am as root |
| 23:43.07 | Kerr | cobelloy: apt-cache show xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:43.08 | Kerr | ? |
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| 23:43.25 | eeyore- | Caelum: ok, that's a bit much :-) i mean, game of life in vim is cool and all, but "less" in vim? :-p |
| 23:43.49 | Caelum | eeyore-: it's pretty nice when looking at stuff that's syntax highlightable |
| 23:44.03 | eeyore- | Caelum: hmmm, yeah, that's true |
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| 23:44.10 | TobiX | Hi |
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| 23:44.22 | cobelloy | yay!! |
| 23:44.24 | eeyore- | Caelum: is there a lpr-vim? :-) |
| 23:44.29 | cobelloy | it is version 4.3 |
| 23:44.29 | Firehand | how can i recreate my /dev? |
| 23:44.36 | eeyore- | Caelum: my color inkjet will love vim forever ... |
| 23:44.46 | TobiX | What is wrong with this preferences line? "Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages" |
| 23:44.56 | TobiX | Firehand: MAKEDEV |
| 23:45.14 | TobiX | If you are not using udev, that is |
| 23:45.22 | Caelum | eeyore-: well, not exactly. I generally use enscript -M letter -E --color |
| 23:45.29 | Zic_ | I have an idea, I'm installing a Debian Sarge pure in Debian.img with QEMU, cp Debian.img Copy.img, qemu Debian.img, I install X.Org + Gnome, and if it's don't work, I paste my problem/errors on pastebin, and try with your help a good installation in a Copy.img who are not broken :)) |
| 23:45.46 | Zic_ | I don't sleep tonight ... |
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| 23:45.56 | Caelum | eeyore-: but in gvim, you can do syntax->convert to html, open in browser, print. Unfortunately it's not scriptable yet |
| 23:46.07 | eeyore- | interesting |
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| 23:46.26 | Caelum | enscript does a pretty decent job highlighting a lot of things though |
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| 23:46.32 | eeyore- | Zic_: why are you going through this? |
| 23:46.51 | TobiX | Zic_: If you are short on space you can use linked qemu images ;) See the qemu-img man page - So you can branch your installation and trash those branches again ;) |
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| 23:47.07 | TobiX | Zic_: Hint: Use kqemu to speed things up! |
| 23:47.11 | streuner | Zic_: he using ubuntu and want try unstable |
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| 23:47.25 | eeyore- | Caelum: what i *really* want is a version of gvim that doesn't insist on monospace fonts, but still keep vi keymapping |
| 23:47.36 | streuner | Zic_: but in qemu |
| 23:47.43 | abrotman | can't you get gedit or something to use vi keymap ? |
| 23:47.44 | eeyore- | streuner: ah |
| 23:47.45 | Zic_ | TobiX: whow, interessing :) for KQemu, I know, but I don't have it for the moment :( |
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| 23:48.23 | Zic_ | TobiX: but I've 260Go, and my Debian.img 10Go :) |
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| 23:48.50 | TobiX | ... my hard drives are always full ... |
| 23:48.55 | Zic_ | huhu |
| 23:49.16 | itchi | Zic_: Install it ;-) |
| 23:49.26 | Caelum | eeyore-: that would definitely be a nice feature in some situations... |
| 23:49.30 | eeyore- | abrotman: gedit supports configurable keybinding? |
| 23:49.40 | eeyore- | abrotman: "hey", by the way :-) |
| 23:49.44 | TobiX | apt hates me... |
| 23:50.01 | Zic_ | itchi: Install Xen is a better idea :) |
| 23:50.02 | Caelum | eeyore-: for man pages I use this: http://paste.debian.net/15903 although there are other ways to do this (debian has no support for MANPAGER) |
| 23:50.06 | cobelloy | so presumably mdetect has produced a text file somewhere with some stuff I have to copy into xfree86.org? |
| 23:50.10 | abrotman | eeyore-: how's appalachia ? |
| 23:50.14 | cobelloy | where would the output be? |
| 23:50.28 | eeyore- | abrotman: appalachia? haven't moved yet. paperwork has been written up :-) |
| 23:50.31 | cobelloy | and how do I copy it to xfree86.org |
| 23:50.42 | abrotman | eeyore-: find my replacement? :) |
| 23:50.51 | cobelloy | ive not used cmd line much before now |
| 23:50.58 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 23:51.02 | TobiX | Caelum: Bad names for temp files, beware! |
| 23:51.10 | itchi | Zic_: Have not yet completely played with that stuff, is still on the TODO list :-) |
| 23:51.18 | eeyore- | abrotman: you are my replacement |
| 23:51.25 | eeyore- | abrotman: unless you don't wanna come |
| 23:51.39 | eeyore- | abrotman: i mean, i'm not twisting your arm, am i? |
| 23:51.46 | Zic_ | Oh ! I have an other problem, but it's too late : if I erase the XFConfig-4, and I run dpkg-reconfigure next for generating a new configuration, it's don't work |
| 23:51.51 | Zic_ | any configuration in /etc/X11 |
| 23:51.54 | Zic_ | strange :) |
| 23:52.01 | abrotman | eeyore-: i think they forgot to call :) |
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| 23:52.22 | itchi | Zic_: Look in that file and read what's noted on the top of it |
| 23:52.50 | Caelum | hmm, the debian /usr/local/man -> /usr/local/share/man symlinks breaks stow. But just making it a real directory works fine... |
| 23:52.57 | eeyore- | abrotman: that's because i haven't written up the job description yet :-) |
| 23:53.01 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:53.02 | pickcoder | cobelly: apt-get install usbutils |
| 23:53.05 | eeyore- | abrotman: heh heh |
| 23:53.10 | Zic_ | itchi: good idea :> ... ahem :) |
| 23:53.11 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's right .. leave them high and dry! |
| 23:53.11 | pickcoder | cobelly: lsusb and see if your mouse is listed |
| 23:53.26 | eeyore- | abrotman: as i was writing up the job description, i realized, dammit, my backup is out of tapes, so i got sidetracked |
| 23:53.28 | cobelloy | pickcoder: usbutils - you think maybe my usb mouse cant work without this? |
| 23:53.33 | cobelloy | ok |
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| 23:53.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: hehe |
| 23:53.41 | eeyore- | abrotman: i will finish the description tomorrow. are you still interested? |
| 23:53.57 | cobelloy | yes it is listed |
| 23:53.59 | abrotman | mebbe :) |
| 23:54.09 | pickcoder | then you should have a mouse device somewhere in /dev/ |
| 23:54.15 | abrotman | somewhere ... |
| 23:54.20 | eeyore- | abrotman: that was a couple of weeks ago. after i got sidetracked, we went on vacation to death valley and sequoia ... just got back |
| 23:54.26 | abrotman | haha |
| 23:54.34 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's right .. use it all up before you move! |
| 23:54.37 | cobelloy | pickcoder: but how do I find the exact device name for xfree? |
| 23:54.39 | ryan` | anyone know of any programs for port scanning your network on a regular basis and reporting changes? |
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| 23:55.18 | cobello1 | or alternately how do I read the output of mdetect |
| 23:55.26 | abrotman | ryan`: nessus .. maybe ? |
| 23:55.30 | cobello1 | soryy - my connection is really flakey |
| 23:55.32 | Seb | what happens if i put "DefaultColorDepth 32" in my X config file, and my card can't do that ? Will it then default to 24, then 16, ... or is it gonna refuse to start altogether ? |
| 23:55.35 | TobiX | ryan`: Yes. Let me see if I find it again |
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| 23:56.00 | pickcoder | cobello1: normally you use /dev/input/mice |
| 23:56.03 | msn | hmm is there a deb for erlang mysql support |
| 23:56.08 | pickcoder | cobello1: but mousedev creates that |
| 23:56.09 | itchi | cobello1: You can see it with hwinfo also |
| 23:56.12 | eeyore- | Seb: it will go lower, and probably defaults to something like 640x480 if you don't have any other modes in the config file |
| 23:56.12 | abrotman | yay jabber ? |
| 23:56.28 | Seb | eeyore-: i'm not talking about resolution, though, just color depth... |
| 23:56.30 | pickcoder | cobello1: try modprobe usbmouse |
| 23:56.35 | eeyore- | Seb: both |
| 23:56.38 | Seb | eeyore-: say i only have one mode listed per color depth |
| 23:57.09 | Seb | eeyore-: for instance, just 1024x768 |
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| 23:57.23 | TobiX | ryan`: The tool I know about was developed by a friend of mine and had nice RSS feeds and Jabber notification, but I'm not sure what state it is in... |
| 23:57.29 | cobello1 | but the mouse is there already - I just dont know what device name it is |
| 23:57.32 | msn | !dpkg info erlang |
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| 23:57.35 | itchi | Seb: Normally (the case with vga driver), X not load then |
| 23:57.42 | msn | !info erlang |
| 23:57.44 | cobello1 | mdetect probably wrote it somewhere - but where? |
| 23:57.47 | dpkg | erlang: (Concurrent, real-time, distributed functional language), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1:11.b.1.dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 23:57.52 | eeyore- | Seb: the drivers i try with will go to lower res |
| 23:57.53 | stew | cobello1: it writes it to stdout |
| 23:57.55 | abrotman | msn: /msg the bot |
| 23:58.02 | eeyore- | Seb: it's nvidia and fglrx |
| 23:58.05 | abrotman | msn: and .. on your box .. apt-cache search erlang |
| 23:58.09 | Seb | eeyore-: and i set my defaultdepth to 32. If 1024x768 at 32 ain't wokring ,will it then try 1024x768 @ 24, or some lower res. but still at 32 ? |
| 23:58.09 | cobello1 | stew: how do I read that? |
| 23:58.22 | stew | cobello1: it writes it out immediately where you typed the command |
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| 23:58.27 | pickcoder | cobello1: it writes it to the screen |
| 23:58.27 | msn | abrotman: that doesnt show up mysql |
| 23:58.28 | stew | cobello1: if you saw nothing, it detected nothing |
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| 23:58.38 | pickcoder | cobello1: use the /dev/ line it prints out |
| 23:58.39 | eeyore- | Seb: if you try with empty mode sections it will go through resolutions first, then bit depths |
| 23:58.40 | cobello1 | stew: nothing came up after the command completed |
| 23:58.45 | abrotman | msn: nor on mine .. but i don't know much about erlang |
| 23:58.46 | Zic_ | Good Night, I've finished to install the netinst of Sarge, I comme back later :) |
| 23:58.50 | Seb | eeyore-: ok, cool |
| 23:58.53 | areagr | I'm having trouble with the latest xserver-xorg package. How can I downgrade to an earlier version? |
| 23:58.56 | Seb | eeyore-: thanks a lot |
| 23:58.56 | Zic_ | Thanks for helping me :) |
| 23:59.01 | Zic_ | gn |
| 23:59.03 | msn | i actually need it for ejabberd mysql support |
| 23:59.03 | pickcoder | cobello1: lsmod | grep mouse |
| 23:59.05 | cobello1 | i typed it in and it worked for a minute then the next line was just a prompt |
| 23:59.06 | eeyore- | Seb: are you trying for universal cd or something? |
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| 23:59.12 | pickcoder | cobello1: what mouse modules are loaded |
| 23:59.19 | eeyore- | Seb: if so, why not use the framebuffer driver? |
| 23:59.31 | g333k | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.37 | stew | cobello1: modprobe usbmouse |
| 23:59.44 | cobello1 | pickcoder: lsmod|grep mose also wrote nothing to the screen |
| 23:59.48 | streuner | g333k: kalarm looks nice |
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| 23:59.57 | g333k | streuner, for gnome? |
