| 00:00.00 | pickcoder | then your mouse isn't not "loaded" |
| 00:00.07 | TobiX | ryan`: I think it's mostly dead, but maybe usable: http://w8n.koeln.ccc.de/trac/projects/browser/nippes/trunk |
| 00:00.08 | pickcoder | s/isn't/is |
| 00:00.10 | streuner | g333k: it should work in GNOME too |
| 00:00.11 | cobello1 | stew: but the mouse is already recognised on the system - wont that just confuse things? |
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| 00:00.17 | pickcoder | do what stew said |
| 00:00.21 | pickcoder | then re-run mdetect |
| 00:00.21 | cobello1 | ok |
| 00:00.36 | g333k | streuner, let me try it |
| 00:00.42 | stew | cobello1: if the mouse is already recognized, then what are we trying to do? |
| 00:00.54 | cobello1 | uuuggghhhh module usbmouse not found |
| 00:00.56 | pickcoder | stew: it's in lsusb |
| 00:01.06 | streuner | g333k: not bad, i just tried that, its some good piece of software |
| 00:01.12 | cobello1 | stew: I need to put the device name into xfree so I can use the mouse |
| 00:01.30 | pickcoder | is hotplug on PPC? |
| 00:01.36 | pickcoder | cobello1: what release are you running? |
| 00:01.42 | cobello1 | when I start up xfce the mouse doesnt work |
| 00:01.47 | g333k | streuner, do you use gnome? |
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| 00:01.59 | samuel | sup all |
| 00:02.02 | blazemonger | is debian testing more stable than Ubuntu? |
| 00:02.05 | cobello1 | but lsusb describes the mouse |
| 00:02.10 | streuner | g333k: nah, no DE, flux atm. |
| 00:02.14 | itchi | cobello1: Make use of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree ? |
| 00:02.17 | abrotman | blazemonger: maybe |
| 00:02.18 | blazemonger | most of my uses are music production |
| 00:02.23 | blazemonger | and rendering |
| 00:02.23 | pickcoder | cobello1: that just means Linux can see the device on the hub.. it's not assigned to a device file |
| 00:02.23 | cobello1 | pickcoder: I dl the net install for ppc two days ago |
| 00:02.35 | cobello1 | itchi: yes thats what I want to do |
| 00:02.42 | stew | blazemonger: debian testing changes daily |
| 00:02.44 | eeyore- | blazemonger: in what way have you found "instability"? |
| 00:02.46 | cobello1 | but I still need to know what device name my mouse is |
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| 00:02.53 | coach | hi@all |
| 00:02.56 | stew | blazemonger: perhaps you should look at deumudi, if you haven't already |
| 00:02.57 | blazemonger | i installed ubuntu ..i liked the package system i just didn't like the feel of it |
| 00:03.05 | samuel | im trying compiz, but every time I run "compiz --replace" with gnome it crashes X, no errors no nada, just craches, any ideas please? |
| 00:03.06 | abrotman | blazemonger: so install debian .. try it |
| 00:03.16 | pickcoder | cobello1: there isn't a device name yet.. to use the mouse a kernel module needs to be loaded |
| 00:03.35 | itchi | cobello1: With hwinfo you get an long list with informations about your hardware, ... where these talk about the mouse dev used |
| 00:03.35 | pickcoder | cobello1: so far, none of them are present on your machine |
| 00:03.36 | blazemonger | abrotman are there any folks that use debian for music production and video stuff? |
| 00:03.36 | eeyore- | blazemonger: well, there are lots of distributions out there. if the "instability" is something fundamental like with drivers or applications, it's hard to get around that |
| 00:03.36 | cobello1 | i will just run the config prog again and choose /dev/input/mice |
| 00:03.41 | cobello1 | and see if that works |
| 00:03.43 | coach | does anyone know how to get a bootscreen-image or how to say that^^ |
| 00:03.44 | blazemonger | Debian seems to be mostly for servers |
| 00:03.48 | abrotman | blazemonger: depends what kind of music production you mean .. i've used audacity :) |
| 00:03.55 | pickcoder | cobello1: ls -l /dev/input/mice |
| 00:03.59 | blazemonger | abrotman rosegarden |
| 00:03.59 | Seb | eeyore-: hmmm, i just wanna make sure i'm getting this right: say i list only 1024x768 as a resolution for all the color depths I'm declaring, and my defaultcolordepth is 32; if 1024x768 @ 32 doesn't work, will i then try next a) some lower res @ 32 bits, or b) 1024x768 @ 24 ? |
| 00:04.00 | abrotman | blazemonger: eh .. that'd be an invalid assumption |
| 00:04.11 | abrotman | blazemonger: rosegarden is in debian |
| 00:04.11 | pickcoder | cobello1: if you don't see a file, then it's pointless to reconfigure X again |
| 00:04.17 | blazemonger | abrotman: what is th current gnome version in etch? |
| 00:04.24 | coach | like booting up win with the logo and the...whats the english word?...this line with the loading-stat^^ |
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| 00:04.29 | eeyore- | Seb: you specifically have listed resolutions right? in that case, it won't try other resolutions |
| 00:04.31 | Seb | s/i then/it then/ |
| 00:04.35 | abrotman | blazemonger: 2.6.14 |
| 00:04.48 | Seb | eeyore-: ok, instead it'll go with the next lower color depth |
| 00:04.53 | Seb | eeyore-: correct ? |
| 00:04.57 | cobello1 | pickcoder: so what should I do, can I install any of these modules that you are suggesting, and what about hwinfo - can i install that? |
| 00:05.03 | abrotman | blazemonger: erm .. 2.14.3 :) |
| 00:05.04 | eeyore- | Seb: but instead should try different depths (try this with onboard chips like the nforce where you can decrease amount of memory devoted to video ram) |
| 00:05.05 | abrotman | roughly |
| 00:05.11 | itchi | coach: The 'bootsplash' maybe? apt-get search foo |
| 00:05.16 | blazemonger | that's whats preventing me...i like the latest gnome |
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| 00:05.25 | pickcoder | cobello1: what Debian release are you running? |
| 00:05.26 | abrotman | blazemonger: you'll never even notice! |
| 00:05.39 | coach | itchi, not a bootsplash for grub for example |
| 00:05.41 | Seb | eeyore-: i'm remastering a knoppix image here, and want to make sure we run 1024x765, at the higher color depth possible |
| 00:05.59 | coach | itchi, instead of the whoöe text-messages^^ |
| 00:06.02 | Seb | eeyore-: so i can't hardcode much since i dunno what hardware this will eventually run on |
| 00:06.04 | eeyore- | Seb: but knoppix uses framebuffer driver, doesn't it? |
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| 00:06.21 | blazemonger | abrotman so i''ll be able to compile most of the stuff i get off freshmeat and sourceforge? |
| 00:06.23 | coach | itchi, know what i mean? |
| 00:06.25 | eeyore- | Seb: and it also accepts kernel boot options to determine resolution |
| 00:06.30 | streuner | eeyore-: usually VESA |
| 00:06.34 | abrotman | blazemonger: most likely |
| 00:06.38 | itchi | coach: I have never test that package. |
| 00:06.39 | Seb | eeyore-: nah, it figures out what X driver should be used, dynamically |
| 00:06.46 | itchi | coach: yup |
| 00:06.49 | streuner | eeyore-: if it cannot find a driver its using VESA |
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| 00:06.51 | eeyore- | Seb: that's different than how i remember it :-) |
| 00:06.55 | abrotman | blazemonger: you could use qemu or something and test it before you install it |
| 00:06.58 | Seb | eeyore-: what streuner said |
| 00:07.05 | eeyore- | Seb: i see |
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| 00:07.09 | itchi | coach: Like for example that of Knoppix for example? |
| 00:07.09 | coach | itchi, i'm running debian testing, if thats necessary^^ |
| 00:07.13 | cobelloy | pickcoder: I dont know, I dl it two days ago |
| 00:07.19 | eeyore- | let me check with the matrox driver :-) i have wimpy amount of vram on that board ... |
| 00:07.23 | setog3 | hi all, I don't know why all my map with sound crash with segfault .; I use sid, and I have upgrade.. |
| 00:07.37 | coach | itchi, no, knoppix had in my (old) version just text-messages too^^ |
| 00:07.38 | itchi | coach: Read apt-cache show bootsplash |
| 00:07.43 | streuner | matrox sucks in debian |
| 00:07.44 | cobelloy | my connection is unstable here - did I miss anything while I was dropped? |
| 00:07.55 | itchi | coach: Is changes sind some time |
| 00:07.55 | Seb | eeyore-: heh k |
| 00:07.59 | blazemonger | abrotman mm... |
| 00:08.06 | pickcoder | cobelloy: I'm assuming it's stable if you're running Xfree |
| 00:08.11 | stew | blazemonger: what would you be compiling yourself? gnome? |
| 00:08.12 | nvz | cobelloy: about 30 thrilling seconds of #debian |
| 00:08.18 | pickcoder | cobelloy: you are logged in as root? |
| 00:08.27 | setog3 | when I say all my app crash I speak about xmms, amarok mplayer |
| 00:08.33 | rizzzo | Sorry for repeating, but it seemed like no one heard (or was too busy to hear) when i asked the first time. I am trying to upgrade to make 3.81. I tried adding the testing repository and running apt-get -t testing upgrade make -f but that seems to want to install/upgrade a lot more than just make... |
| 00:08.36 | cobelloy | yes - i am root, and I just installed hwinfo too |
| 00:08.46 | itchi | coach: Or maybe that of Ubuntu is completely gfx, if it's that you mean. There are near 3 diff types |
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| 00:09.02 | cobelloy | how do I use hwinfo to make a short description on the screen? |
| 00:09.04 | coach | http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP%20Pro%20Setup%20Graphic/OO.gif <--such a thing for debian^^ |
| 00:09.09 | cobelloy | somebody already said it before |
| 00:09.17 | cobelloy | but it didnt work |
| 00:09.23 | streuner | hm |
| 00:09.25 | cobelloy | but now it will |
| 00:09.43 | stew | coach: for which version of debian? |
| 00:09.46 | pickcoder | cobelloy: cd /;find -name mousedev.o |
| 00:09.49 | itchi | coach: Add it to an temp file? 'hwinfo > /tmp/hwinfo_output' |
| 00:09.55 | stew | pickcoder: he's on 2.6 not 2.4 |
| 00:10.01 | itchi | coach: s/Add/Put/ |
| 00:10.02 | stew | pickcoder: and there is no mousedev for powerpc |
| 00:10.04 | pickcoder | oh |
| 00:10.08 | pickcoder | mousedev.ko then |
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| 00:10.13 | coach | stew, testing |
| 00:10.22 | coach | itchi, add what? |
| 00:10.22 | pickcoder | so how does /dev/input/mice get created |
| 00:10.32 | zinx | pickcoder: generally by udev |
| 00:10.44 | stew | coach: splashy is the easier way, otherwise you have to compile a custom kernel with the bootsplash patches |
| 00:10.46 | itchi | coach: Put the output of the hwinfo program to an temp file? 'hwinfo > /tmp/hwinfo_output' |
| 00:10.52 | pickcoder | it doesn't do that for me |
| 00:11.02 | pickcoder | I had to manually load mousedev |
| 00:11.03 | coach | itchi, for a bootsplash? |
| 00:11.03 | setog3 | anyone here have problem with app and sound on sid ? |
| 00:11.08 | pickcoder | on K7 |
| 00:11.12 | cobelloy | itchi: how do I use hwinfo - you suggested it earlier |
| 00:11.16 | streuner | setog3: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 00:11.21 | coach | stew, but my apt doesn't know splashy^^ |
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| 00:11.22 | stew | coach: itchi is confused, you can ignore him |
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| 00:11.27 | coach | ^^ |
| 00:11.28 | coach | lol |
| 00:11.35 | itchi | coach: Sorry it was for cobelloy |
| 00:11.39 | streuner | setog3: give us more details (what doesn't work) |
| 00:11.43 | stew | wow, did splashy not make it to etch yet |
| 00:11.53 | stew | coach: i guess it is only in unstable at the moment |
| 00:11.54 | coach | itchi, no prob |
| 00:12.06 | abrotman | !why is splashy not in testing |
| 00:12.06 | dpkg | splashy is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=splashy |
| 00:12.07 | itchi | cobelloy: Have you follow? |
| 00:12.11 | streuner | setog3: cat /proc/version |
| 00:12.23 | setog3 | streuner: not sure it's due to sid.. I think I do a mistake.. but don't know.. |
| 00:12.29 | itchi | Tab completion is not yet always so usefull :-p |
| 00:12.34 | cobelloy | oh right - but then I dont know how to read a temp file, I just ran hwinfo tho, it produced a huge amount of output on the screen, can I look for mouse entries? |
| 00:12.34 | streuner | setog3: cat /proc/version |
| 00:12.39 | coach | stew, would it be enough to install kernel-patch-bootsplash + bootsplash or do i have to compile a new kernel anyway? |
| 00:12.41 | setog3 | streuner: Linux version 2.6.18-1-k7 (Debian 2.6.18-3) (waldi@debian.org) |
| 00:12.52 | stew | coach: you would have to compile a new kernel |
| 00:12.56 | cobelloy | ha ha!! |
| 00:13.05 | cobelloy | it is /dev/input/mice |
| 00:13.10 | coach | stew, hmmm...and what about usplash? |
| 00:13.10 | stew | coach: i'd recommend just downloading splashy and installing it |
| 00:13.16 | cobelloy | you were rigt pick |
| 00:13.19 | streuner | setog3: did you re-run 'alsaconf'? |
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| 00:13.25 | cobelloy | it is listed as a ps/2 |
| 00:13.26 | itchi | cobelloy: Take 'nano' as text editor; 'nano /tmp/hwinfo_output' |
| 00:13.35 | setog3 | streuner: yes.. and I have many error when loading modules .. |
| 00:13.38 | cobelloy | itchi: i dont need to now |
| 00:13.51 | gmh33 | what is the default user folder for apache in debian ? |
| 00:13.51 | ongeboren | anything new on firefox 2 for debian unstable ? |
| 00:13.52 | itchi | cobelloy: haha |
| 00:13.53 | cobelloy | i just need to run conf again |
| 00:14.10 | cobelloy | can someone tell me the command again please - dpkg something or other |
| 00:14.16 | streuner | setog3: did the soundcard work before? |
| 00:14.28 | setog3 | streuner: yes work well |
| 00:14.33 | itchi | cobelloy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree |
| 00:14.34 | gmh33 | dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 00:14.38 | g333k | gmh33, /var/www/ I think |
| 00:14.40 | setog3 | streuner: now with alsaconf no error |
| 00:14.55 | gmh33 | g333k; thanks |
| 00:15.02 | g333k | gmh33, np |
| 00:15.22 | g333k | gmh33, were you looking for the classic htdocs ? |
| 00:15.47 | gmh33 | no I know how to use apache (in general) just never on debian |
| 00:16.10 | setog3 | .. I rerun udev.; now I have my /dev/mixer |
| 00:16.12 | cobelloy | yay - the mouse works now !! |
| 00:16.16 | gmh33 | can you make /home/<me>/www/ folders ? |
| 00:16.16 | cobelloy | thanks all!! |
| 00:16.20 | nvz | gmh33: theres not really a whole lot of difference |
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| 00:16.27 | eeyore- | Seb: well, i can't set the amount of videoram for my mga driver :-p but, i found something else. the mga driver will die if you try 32-bit, it'll say "32 bit not supported" and die, so you know you have one case where this will fail :-) |
| 00:16.37 | g333k | gmh33, yep |
| 00:16.40 | gmh33 | nvz: just wondering where to put my stuff was all : ) |
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| 00:16.51 | nvz | gmh33: wherever you want. |
| 00:16.57 | gmh33 | different distros use different folders, arch uses http by default |
| 00:16.58 | gmh33 | etc |
| 00:17.02 | Seb | eeyore-: oooh |
| 00:17.03 | nvz | gmh33: if you know apache, you would know it has config files |
| 00:17.04 | Seb | eeyore-: sheesh |
| 00:17.06 | pickcoder | cobelloy: I'm still trying to figure out what the heck transpired here... |
| 00:17.19 | pickcoder | cobelloy: atleast it's working, though |
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| 00:17.25 | Seb | eeyore-: that's not good. How come this behavior is depending on the graphic driver itself, and not the X server ? |
| 00:17.31 | deadcat | ok. mplayer is in sid... would i still keep the current mplayer source in sources.list for the codec and shit? |
| 00:17.32 | gmh33 | nvz: yes, I know it has config files.. just asking for teh default so I don't have to rummage :P |
| 00:17.33 | setog3 | streuner: don't understand sound work well now with vlc .. but all other app crash |
| 00:17.37 | eeyore- | Seb: cause it's driver dependent :-) |
| 00:17.46 | cobelloy | so - whats a really good editor I can use in xfce? |
| 00:17.46 | Seb | eeyore-: i don't understand why :) |
| 00:17.52 | abrotman | vi ? |
| 00:17.52 | cobelloy | that I can apt-get |
| 00:17.54 | Seb | cobelloy: emacs |
| 00:18.00 | abrotman | he said really good! |
| 00:18.00 | streuner | setog3: hm |
| 00:18.01 | nvz | gmh33: I keep mine in /srv /srv/apt (my apt mirror) /srv/wap (my wap portal) /srv/www (my web documents) |
| 00:18.13 | nvz | gmh33: default is /var/www www-data www-data |
| 00:18.14 | streuner | setog3: you' |
| 00:18.24 | nvz | gmh33: it would probably be a good idea to change that |
| 00:18.25 | streuner | setog3: you're using unstable, at your own risk :-) |
| 00:18.29 | Seb | eeyore-: i mean, if the mga driver doesn't like 32 bits, wehy can't it try 24 bits next ? |
| 00:18.35 | eeyore- | Seb: nvidia does nice things (or not so nice depending on your point of view) --- it detects all sorts of things on its own |
| 00:19.18 | Seb | eeyore-: i just fail to see why a driver would stop at "32 bit not supported"... This seems to contradict the behavior you were describing before... |
| 00:19.21 | setog3 | :D |
| 00:19.22 | nvz | of course I dont use apache anymore really I turned off my web services on my phone, and I no longer have a need for a local apt mirror.. |
| 00:19.43 | streuner | setog3: you should read /msg dpkg sid faq for more details ;-) |
| 00:19.43 | eeyore- | Seb: told you it was driver specific :-) and that i only used the nvidia and fglrx |
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| 00:20.19 | areagr | Does anyone know where I can find an and older package for xserver-xorg? (I need 7.0.*) |
| 00:20.26 | Seb | eeyore-: oy, that sucks donkey balls :\ |
| 00:20.35 | streuner | areagr: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 00:20.36 | eeyore- | Seb: besides, 32 bit just gives you alpha channel, why not 24? |
| 00:20.49 | cobelloy | i was thinking more along the line of simple - like geany, but i cant see geany in apt |
| 00:21.04 | cobelloy | a text editor for a non-power user |
| 00:21.08 | areagr | streuner, thank you so much |
| 00:21.12 | danilom | does anyone know how to install debian in a raid maked in bios?? |
| 00:21.13 | nvz | cobelloy: I like mped |
| 00:21.14 | streuner | np |
| 00:21.29 | eeyore- | danilom: read up on the jeff garzik page on "fakeraid" |
| 00:21.39 | Seb | eeyore-: is 24 a much more common mode ? I mean, do I significantly lower the chances of a driver failing ? |
| 00:21.40 | CHodapp | eeyore-, some drivers like to have the memory aligned at 32 bits rather than 24... or something like that |
| 00:21.56 | streuner | areagr: you should tell us why you want 7.0, for most people 7.1 works like a charm |
| 00:22.10 | nvz | cobelloy: simple curses based editor with optional syntax highlighting.. seems it now has an X interface too I;ve noticed when I run it from an xterm in etch it shows up in a window now |
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| 00:22.44 | danilom | eeyore- when i make the raid volume i se tup is throught the bios... why debian see 2 SATA disk??? why dont see one disk |
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| 00:24.12 | itchi | cobelloy: If you want an good one, an realy good. Take vim :-p |
| 00:24.40 | brendonjt | what about nano |
| 00:25.06 | nvz | minimum profit editor!! |
| 00:25.08 | itchi | brendonjt: With vim i have made this http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/ |
| 00:25.15 | cobelloy | ok - thanks - gotta run out now, will be back later - thanks for all ur help |
| 00:25.18 | streuner | !start an editor war |
| 00:25.19 | dpkg | ae is known to decrease your lifespan |
| 00:25.25 | streuner | true :-) |
| 00:25.33 | eeyore- | danilom: becauese you need special drivers to access your "raid" (it's not real raid at all, but need special software to access it) |
| 00:25.34 | itchi | oh god, ae |
| 00:25.38 | streuner | good that debian has nano yet :-) |
| 00:26.05 | danilom | eeyore- i was thinking it was transparent for the OS |
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| 00:28.53 | eeyore- | danilom: no, unfortunately. it's not transparent to any OS (windows included) |
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| 00:29.20 | brendonjt | itchi, very nice site |
| 00:29.27 | eeyore- | danilom: you're better off using linux's own software-raid |
| 00:29.27 | brendonjt | I use nvu |
| 00:29.49 | itchi | brendonjt: Thanks ;-) Made with 100% open source stuff :-) |
| 00:30.30 | brendonjt | itchi, I have to admit i cheated with mine, I got a opensource template and modified it in NVU |
| 00:30.53 | brendonjt | itchi, but was still made with 100% open source stuff |
| 00:31.42 | itchi | brendonjt: I have made it completely from scratch. Because i had first need of an simple article management. Then wanted some things more... and added added. Maybe i gone make it publicly available soon |
| 00:32.26 | itchi | But like there are already many CMS based stuff, i not realy know if people are interesting of it |
| 00:32.47 | brendonjt | what is cms? |
| 00:32.59 | itchi | brendonjt: Content Management System |
| 00:33.00 | Hirvinen | Content Management System? |
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| 00:33.25 | brendonjt | itchi, ok yay learn't something to day lol |
| 00:33.42 | itchi | brendonjt: We learn every days somethings new. That's funny ;-) |
| 00:33.55 | itchi | s/days/day/ |
| 00:33.59 | eeyore- | itchi: what's that page supposed to tell me? |
| 00:34.11 | itchi | eeyore-: Which page? |
| 00:34.14 | samuel | ive a usb drive with 1 ext3 partition and 2 reiser partitions... but when i plug it in none are listed, not even by cfdisk, is there any way to view these partitions? |
| 00:34.16 | eeyore- | itchi: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/ |
| 00:34.29 | itchi | eeyore-: I just showed what i had made with vim |
| 00:34.41 | itchi | 100% vim |
| 00:34.51 | danilom | eeyore- well so linux software raid, can be set up in any pc??? do i need a raid controller card? |
| 00:34.53 | eeyore- | itchi: OK, so .... |
| 00:35.04 | itchi | Realy crazy tool. So usefull |
| 00:35.06 | eeyore- | itchi: 's the scoop? |
| 00:35.24 | eeyore- | danilom: yes, and no. |
| 00:35.48 | eeyore- | danilom: it can be set up on any PC, as long as you have sufficient number of controllers / drives for what you want to make |
| 00:35.51 | itchi | danilom: For software raid. You only need software |
| 00:36.12 | simonrvn | that's why it's called software raid ;) |
| 00:36.14 | itchi | eeyore-: I have not understand your last question. |
| 00:36.18 | eeyore- | danilom: we have mobo with 4 onboard SATA + 2 PATA + pci card with multilane port (4 more SATA's) |
| 00:36.25 | streuner | simonrvn: haha |
| 00:36.37 | itchi | simonrvn: Yup, but like he hesitated it's look, just wanted to point it ;-) |
| 00:37.05 | eeyore- | itchi: you listed a URL and said "made with vim". i went to see, and i saw a web page like most other webpages. what's the part that made it "100% made with vim"? |
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| 00:37.47 | itchi | eeyore-: vim is an text editor, no more no less. I have made that CMS be made use of vim |
| 00:37.49 | eeyore- | itchi: or, rather, the page mentions something about CMS. did you make a CMS in vim script? is that it? |
| 00:38.00 | samuel | ive a usb drive with 1 ext3 partition and 2 reiser partitions... but when i plug it in none are listed, not even by cfdisk, is there any way to view these partitions? |
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| 00:38.01 | streuner | he's surely proud of that side, so let him alone, the side is really nice. |
| 00:38.11 | itchi | eeyore-: No cms in vim, haha. An cms with vim |
| 00:38.21 | eeyore- | streuner: i'm not dissing it! i just wanna know what it is |
| 00:38.31 | streuner | ok |
| 00:39.09 | eeyore- | streuner: because, if he manages to make a CMS in VIM, then i'm damn impressed :-) |
| 00:39.15 | nevyn | hrm |
| 00:39.16 | itchi | eeyore-: It's an dynamic website where you can online add/modify things with some gui (ala MS Word/ openeOffice) interface to modify the content |
| 00:39.21 | streuner | besides, i can't hardly imagine how such thing is possible only with an editor :-) |
| 00:39.52 | itchi | make use of vim to reach an point :-p |
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| 00:40.50 | streuner | eeyore-: yeah, me too ;-) |
| 00:40.59 | itchi | eeyore-: If you want here are some /old/ screenshots of the GUICMS http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/guicms/ |
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| 00:41.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 00:41.22 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 00:41.38 | simonrvn | ptrobably just edited with vim ;p |
| 00:41.51 | streuner | haha |
| 00:42.05 | itchi | No vim have build it for me :-p |
| 00:42.15 | itchi | The power of vim :-) :-) |
| 00:42.16 | streuner | that reminds me to 'Boomerang' ;-) |
| 00:42.23 | itchi | yup, sorry |
| 00:42.28 | abrotman | the movie ? |
| 00:42.32 | streuner | itchi: do you know 'Boomerang' ? |
| 00:42.42 | itchi | streuner: The movie not |
| 00:42.47 | streuner | nah, wait, i'll give you an URL :-) |
| 00:42.57 | itchi | streuner: The object, yes i know about |
| 00:43.38 | tam | can someone recommend a good mail client that will forward on a particular template given when a mail comes in with specific charetaristics? it can't be thunderbird tho as it doesn't behave properly |
| 00:43.59 | streuner | http://youtube.com/watch?v=cEnRw0FvGXg&mode=related&search= (.nl lanuguage, but german subtitle) |
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| 00:44.32 | itchi | streuner: No problem with Dutch :-) |
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| 00:44.55 | streuner | abrotman, simonrvn, eeyore-: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kXf3wx5nPXU&mode=related&search= |
| 00:45.10 | abrotman | it's not me! |
| 00:45.10 | tarzeau | tam: gnumail.app ? |
| 00:45.39 | streuner | abrotman: just watch it, its funny :-) |
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| 00:45.50 | abrotman | it's in german |
| 00:46.01 | streuner | nah, dutch |
| 00:46.02 | itchi | streuner: Understand you somethings? |
| 00:46.09 | bman | Can anybody tell me where I can the 2.3.5-3sarge1 python 2.3 deb for the i386 platform? I want to downgrade my python2.3 and then upgrade it again to see if my upgrading it to the sarge2 version resulted in some issues with some third party software. |
| 00:46.25 | streuner | itchi: some things... ;-) |
| 00:46.40 | sussudio | !doe itchi |
| 00:46.47 | itchi | hehe |
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| 00:47.12 | tam | tarzeau: sorry, nevre heard of that. i shall google :) |
| 00:47.48 | itchi | streuner: Hehe, that little part of the movie i had already see on some other show :-p |
| 00:47.55 | eeyore- | streuner: have you seen the youtube of the angry german kid? he wanted to play UT and his computer took forever and he banged on keyboard and stuff swearing all the while ... |
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| 00:48.21 | itchi | hahahahaha |
| 00:48.36 | itchi | Men, if you could understand :-p |
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| 00:48.48 | streuner | eeyore-: no, URL? |
| 00:49.06 | nvz | stefan: do you have any clues to rule out a hardware problem? |
| 00:49.14 | nvz | stefan: or is this still a possibility |
| 00:49.19 | streuner | itchi: after the show, they fired all of the team ;-) |
| 00:49.33 | olskolirc | how do i get hp photosmart 1115 on debian stable? and do i want to use cups or lp |
| 00:49.35 | itchi | streuner: If these did it not! lol |
| 00:49.47 | itchi | streuner: Man, crazy what these tell :-p |
| 00:50.02 | streuner | itchi: that was a .be talkshow ;-) |
| 00:50.32 | stefan | nvz, what do you mean? I think It's either a hardware problem or some drivers, don't you agree? |
| 00:50.36 | itchi | streuner: Yeah, many time we see an cutted part of it in many shows here. But here it's an longer part that i had not yet see :-) |
| 00:51.01 | nvz | stefan: I am leaning heavily toward a hardware issue.. possibly some ACPI or BIOS type thing |
| 00:51.23 | stefan | nvz, sometimes when it dies the powerlamp starts to flash with equal interval, pretty slow |
| 00:51.53 | nvz | notice: <stefan> has a new AMD64 dual core nforce system and is experience total sudden power loss during heavy network loads .. for those of you wondering what we are talking about |
| 00:51.55 | stefan | nvz, ok, what are your suggestions to fint out what kind of hardwareproblem? |
| 00:52.44 | nvz | stefan: well we should be able to rule out power brownout because the load of the network or starting an audio driver or sometihng shouldnt fluxuate the power consuption like that |
| 00:53.27 | olskolirc | how do i get hp photosmart 1115 on debian stable? and do i want to use cups or lp |
| 00:53.31 | nvz | stefan: leads me to believe its some kind of I/O, IRQ..etc type bug in the hardware but I am not sure why this is resulting in total power loss |
| 00:53.55 | stefan | nvz, that seams resonable.. i can play advanced games for long times without death |
| 00:53.57 | stefan | nvz, okay.. |
| 00:54.33 | stefan | nvz, it also happened when i tried to use skype.. but skype is skype so thats no clue i guess |
| 00:54.40 | nvz | stefan: and if you can do heavy 3d stuff that rules out some health monitoring thing shutting the system down because its overheating or something |
| 00:54.55 | eeyore- | just a bunch of uptight people in that youtube |
| 00:55.03 | stefan | play music regularly also works |
| 00:55.14 | eeyore- | streuner: let me see what i have bookmarked :-) |
| 00:55.40 | stefan | it's just when i tried to use my synth-keyboard via jack it happened |
| 00:55.44 | nvz | stefan: the fact that you are noticing a relation to both network load and sound related stuff makes me thing its something along the lines of I/O conflict because that could effect both systems |
| 00:55.50 | streuner | eeyore-: nah, youtube has millions of videos, to search for is a PITA :-) |
| 00:56.03 | stefan | nvz, 1/0 |
| 00:56.17 | stefan | nvz, 1/0? |
| 00:56.28 | Caelum | is there an apt repository for packages from mentors.debian.net? |
| 00:56.34 | nvz | stefan: I had a laptop that had a serious bug assigning I/O addresses that loading certain things could cause other pieces of hardware to die. but it didnt result in a complete shutdown of the system |
| 00:56.49 | streuner | eeyore-: and bookmarks are even more painful ;-) |
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| 00:58.05 | stefan | nvz, maby it affects some other hardware that then results in complete shutdown |
| 00:58.20 | nvz | stefan: can you pretty much recreate this error time and time again by doing a fast local network transfer of like 600-900kb/s or starting that synth-keyboard? |
| 00:58.23 | abrotman | Caelum: ask #debian-mentors |
| 00:58.29 | Thaiger | I'm trying to install Debain on a G3, but when I try to make partitons it says Partiton map has no partition map entry, any ideas? |
| 00:58.36 | Caelum | hmm, mentors has far fewer packages than they used to |
| 00:58.55 | stefan | nvz, yep |
| 00:59.04 | nvz | stefan: as in its not random.. you know you can cause the system to power off without question |
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| 00:59.23 | streuner | Thaiger: tried #debianppc? |
| 00:59.33 | TobiX | Was pylirc ever availiable as an official debian package? |
| 00:59.33 | Thaiger | streuner: Oh, thanks |
| 00:59.43 | stefan | nvz, yes defenatly, file transfer is the main problem since i've stopped with jack etc |
| 01:00.05 | eeyore- | streuner: have you seen the one titled "Stephen Colbert Loses It"? it's been removed from youtube, but if you can find it, it's hilarious |
| 01:00.19 | streuner | nope |
| 01:00.32 | nvz | stefan: well the fact that its powering off instead of causing an MCE or kernel panic or something makes it hard to dig up logs on the issue.. for starters could you maybe post your dmesg log in a pastebin so we could maybe look for any obvious clues of hardware problems? |
| 01:00.37 | stefan | sometimes i can run 1mb/s 10 minutes or so but sometimes only 1 |
| 01:00.39 | streuner | eeyore-: i didn't use youtube very much in the past... |
| 01:00.44 | simonrvn | streuner: poor guy. it does look like he was set up. there's been shows like his here, too. and they always get pulled when they start to step away from pablum. |
| 01:01.08 | stefan | nvz, sorry but how do i paste? |
| 01:01.09 | eeyore- | streuner: here's the "angry german kid", http://youtube.com/watch?v=F9pgOmlHE2k |
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| 01:01.11 | nvz | stefan: so it is somewhat random with the network? does the jack thing do it immediatly every time? |
| 01:01.23 | eeyore- | streuner: so glad he's not mine ... |
| 01:01.46 | stefan | i haven't tried that much with jack but i remember it as pretty instant, less than a minute.. |
| 01:01.49 | streuner | eeyore-: wait |
| 01:01.59 | streuner | eeyore-: your kid isn't old now :-) |
| 01:02.02 | itchi | TobiX: Have python2.3-pylirc here |
| 01:02.08 | nvz | stefan: which part are you not understanding, how to get the dmesg log, how to copy/paste, or how to use a pastebin? |
| 01:02.16 | itchi | TobiX: Btw, it's Etch here |
| 01:02.32 | streuner | eeyore-: your kid is only 3 or 4 years, right? |
| 01:02.37 | stefan | pastebin.. |
| 01:02.46 | simonrvn | !paste |
| 01:02.47 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 01:04.14 | eeyore- | streuner: yep |
| 01:04.16 | nvz | stefan: http://channels.debian.net/paste, pastebin.com, pastebin.ca.. there are many places on the internet to post information easily |
| 01:04.16 | streuner | eeyore-: that doesn't sound to me, it was a real situation (URL) |
| 01:04.40 | streuner | eeyore-: it sounds rather to me, it was show |
| 01:04.44 | itchi | That's an geek game freak |
| 01:05.06 | eeyore- | OK, have to go trick or treating :-) |
| 01:05.09 | eeyore- | see you tomorrow |
| 01:05.10 | abrotman | ha! |
| 01:05.21 | streuner | eeyore-: cu |
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| 01:05.33 | stefan | nvz, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4310 |
| 01:05.51 | nvz | stefan: the problem seems fairly random to me. but if you can do certain cpu intensive tasks but not others I suppose we got a ball-park idea |
| 01:06.14 | gmh33 | aw yaws is only on sid |
| 01:06.15 | itchi | biep biep |
| 01:06.17 | gmh33 | D: |
| 01:06.18 | stefan | nvz, hmm.. yes it's strange how gaming works etc |
| 01:06.50 | gmh33 | though I'm willing to guess it wouldn't be overly challening to get installed manually |
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| 01:07.19 | Caelum | is there some sort of central "unofficial" apt repository if mentors doesn't do that anymore? |
| 01:07.50 | lofidellity | how do i fix the error Network not reachable? |
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| 01:08.16 | lofidellity | Network is unreachable* |
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| 01:08.33 | itchi | dring dring, i have an little trouble with my keyboard. How can i repair it? |
| 01:08.52 | stefan | nvz, getting anything? |
| 01:09.05 | nvz | stefan: I've no experience with linux on 64 bit or dual core.. but I am still suspecting this may be ACPI related |
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| 01:09.32 | nvz | stefan: so far all I noticed is you have a slew of ACPI functions including what appears to be power management and some kind of PM timer |
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| 01:11.16 | stefan | nvz, okej |
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| 01:11.55 | nvz | stefan: I also see a lot of PCI/PnP related warnings/errors which I dont fully understand but seems all too familiar from my buggy compaq laptop |
| 01:11.56 | pinky | Is there a download accelerator available in the Debian package repositories? Anyone know? |
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| 01:12.22 | stefan | nvz, hehe okay |
| 01:12.57 | nvz | stefan: I can probably make a little more sense of this if I had some lspci output and maybe /proc/inturrupts |
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| 01:13.22 | nvz | stefan: its probably going to boil down to doing one of two things.. changing some BIOS setting, or compiling 500 kernels until you get one that doesnt kill the system :P |
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| 01:14.15 | stefan | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4311 |
| 01:14.25 | nvz | stefan: for all I know the network card under heavy load can be calling an invalid inturrupt that in turn translates to the reboot/powerdown inturrupt call :P |
| 01:14.32 | minerale | I have installed the sshfs package, but I am having difficulties using it -- does anyone know if it's a problem to run under a Xen-enabled kernel (Debian Sarge) |
| 01:14.33 | stefan | let's just hope for the bios solution |
| 01:14.50 | nvz | stefan: I can compare you lspci to the pci errors about invalid irqs and stuff in the dmesg to see which devices they relate to |
| 01:14.59 | Thaiger | I'm trying to do the Software RAID setup in the partitioner, but it says I must format a partition of type "Linux RAID autodetect" but thats not one of my choices when I select a partition |
| 01:15.12 | stefan | nvz, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4311 |
| 01:15.13 | Caelum | ahh ok, mentors has a source repository just not binary |
| 01:15.28 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 01:15.55 | nvz | stefan: generally speaking though I am in over my head.. half of the technology in your modern system is more than I ever seen before :P |
| 01:15.56 | itchi | Caelum: For Debian you need to release the both |
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| 01:16.34 | stefan | nvz, hmm.. okay.. thanks anyway.. i'm so happy that you people exist! |
| 01:16.46 | stefan | i'll take a look in the bios.. |
| 01:16.56 | nvz | stefan: I am not confident I can do much more than help narrow it down a little.. and it might not hurt to go poking around in your BIOS setup to see what kind of goofy options might be contributing to this |
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| 01:17.33 | nvz | stefan: I'm not doing anything right now.. I am gonna keep parsing this info to see if I can come up with anything obvious |
| 01:17.40 | black_13 | how do i remove/uninstall a package |
| 01:17.48 | stefan | nvz, send a mail. superstefan87 @ hotmail.com if you get any other ideas.. i'll try bion now.. thanks alot |
| 01:17.58 | Xenguy | black_13: dpkg -r is one way |
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| 01:18.02 | Dewi | do linux machines log their load over time in some way? |
| 01:18.05 | itchi | black_13: Try '/msg dpkg grounding' |
| 01:18.12 | stefan | any other info you want? |
| 01:18.34 | abrotman | Dewi: sar |
| 01:18.42 | itchi | black_13: Type ' ' it down like you write an message here |
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| 01:19.21 | nvz | stefan: not right now so far all I know more is that the "invalid IRQ. Check vendor BIOS" are relating to your PCI express bridge it seems |
| 01:19.39 | Cooner750 | Can I make this a service?: /opt/wildfire/bin/ > ./wildfire start |
| 01:19.44 | Cooner750 | So it automatically runs at boot time ? |
| 01:20.01 | abrotman | !tell Cooner750 about run at startup |
| 01:20.01 | nvz | stefan: it would help if the system didnt just die and could give some damn info that would be a smoking gun |
| 01:20.05 | black_13 | were would i find information (chanel) about hooking up a wireless router to dsl modem? |
| 01:20.23 | stefan | nvz, yeah i know.. it's so damn frustrating |
| 01:20.29 | nvz | stefan: what I am doing here is like the equivant of criminal profiling.. heh |
| 01:20.33 | abrotman | black_13: #hardware or #wireless or #networking |
| 01:20.37 | nvz | stefan: looking for something that looks like it could kill something |
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| 01:20.44 | stefan | nvz, hahaha |
| 01:20.56 | Dewi | abrotman: that looks really really promising. Thank you. |
| 01:21.01 | abrotman | Dewi: enjoy |
| 01:21.16 | black_13 | abrotman thanks |
| 01:21.32 | stefan | nvz, i'll take a look in bios now.. thanks for now.. send a mail if you find anything out.. or i'll be back here some day. bye for now |
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| 01:21.54 | nvz | stefan: heh |
| 01:22.01 | nvz | stefan: how much ram do you have? |
| 01:22.37 | stefan | nvz, 1024, 667mhz |
| 01:22.48 | nvz | stefan: 1024 as in 1gb? |
| 01:22.54 | stefan | nvz, yep |
| 01:23.04 | nvz | hmm |
| 01:23.06 | Dewi | abrotman: hmm. most entries are at 10 min intervals, but sometimes there are shorter and longer ones |
| 01:23.19 | Dewi | abrotman: presumably that's it trying to show me "notable" stuff |
| 01:23.28 | Dewi | abrotman: is this done at collection time or now as I view it? |
| 01:23.30 | nvz | if it was DMA you'd think just about anything could kill it even extensive disk access |
| 01:23.33 | abrotman | Dewi: eh .. i haven't used it since i used RH boxen :) |
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| 01:25.09 | jelly | Hi! cdrecord in sarge under 2.6.16 backported kernel doesn't want to burn as user, wither with or without the setuid. Works as root. What to do? |
| 01:25.13 | Xenguy | .oO("A long long long long time ago... ) |
| 01:25.14 | stefan | nvz, brb mate! |
| 01:25.24 | nvz | stefan: I'd say aside from messing around in the BIOS try narrow down for sure what causes the system to die, and rule out things that definatly have nothing to do with it. you have to conside the network issue is random, but it encompasses everything from DMA, to Inturrupts..etc which if something were wrong in the APIC or DMA controller it should be effecting disk controllers and such as well |
| 01:26.00 | minerale | Could someone help me get this kernel module working: fusermount: fuse device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first; % modprobe fuse ; FATAL: Module fuse not found. |
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| 01:26.12 | abrotman | uname -a ? |
| 01:26.35 | simonrvn | i'm glad apt-listbugs started showing <pending> bugs. makes it easier to decide on the fly |
| 01:27.18 | jelly | minerale: that "uname -a" is probably for you, btw. Also, which release? |
| 01:27.44 | DanielW | how can i set the language which php uses for dates ? |
| 01:28.14 | abrotman | DanielW: ask ##php |
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| 01:28.30 | minerale | abrotman: Linux styx.achille.org 2.6.16.13-xenU #1 SMP Sat May 13 14:18:58 EDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux; jelly: Debian Sarge, xen kernel |
| 01:28.45 | abrotman | fuse is in that kernel i think .. but i'm not sure the module name is fuse |
| 01:29.01 | DanielW | abrotman: mhh, it seems php uses the settings from the system, so this is a debian question |
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| 01:29.09 | smax | hi |
| 01:29.15 | nvz | though his disks are IDE |
| 01:29.19 | smax | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.26 | minerale | abrotman: how would I list the kernel modules? |
| 01:29.27 | smax | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.45 | abrotman | DanielW: so you want to say "Domingo" instead of Sunday ? |
| 01:30.04 | TobiX | smax: .profile, .bash_profile, .zshrc, /etc/profile, etc. |
| 01:30.05 | jelly | minerale: modprobe fuse; cd /dev; mknod fuse c 10 229; chown root.fuse fuse; chmod 660 fuse |
| 01:30.24 | smax | Tobix: where can i learn the syntax for this file? |
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| 01:30.51 | TobiX | smax: Those are shell scripts, so they have the same syntax as your command line |
| 01:30.59 | minerale | jelly: modprobe fuse gives me: Fatal: Module fuse not found |
| 01:31.00 | TobiX | smax: man bash for starters |
| 01:31.21 | Caelum | I'm getting a weird error from dh-make-perl: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: 5.8.8-6.1 when my perl version IS 5.8.8-6.1 |
| 01:31.34 | DanielW | abrotman: domingo? |
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| 01:31.48 | Xenguy | smax: man bash is somewhat intimidating (be warned), but their are nice 'tutorials' on the Net (e.g bash scripting) |
| 01:31.51 | jelly | minerale: grep CONFIG_FUSE_FS /boot/config-whatever-kernel? |
| 01:32.01 | Xenguy | smax: s/their/there/ |
| 01:32.28 | abrotman | danieldg: spanish for "Sunday" :) |
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| 01:32.48 | abrotman | erm .. DanielW |
| 01:32.54 | minerale | jelly: I don't have a kernel in /boot/ -> i'm not sure how xen loads the kernel |
| 01:33.09 | TobiX | Xenguy: I was pointing to the bash man page because of the really useful section about "INVOCATION" - which is propably a part smax wants to read :) |
| 01:33.36 | DanielW | abrotman: domingo is not a german word. Sonntag would be Sunday |
| 01:33.43 | TobiX | smax: That section lists all files where you can put the PATH modification |
| 01:33.49 | abrotman | DanielW: it was an example :) |
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| 01:33.56 | minerale | xenguy: would you be able to help me getting fuse working on a xen-enabled debian sarge? |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | DanielW: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:34.10 | systm6 | hi. is debian a good distribution for linux beginners ? |
| 01:34.12 | minerale | s/be able to/kindly |
| 01:34.13 | jelly | minerale: do you have /proc/config.gz maybe? You'll need to find out if your kernel has fuse at all, and then compile it if it doesn't |
| 01:34.46 | jelly | systm6: the learning curve is rather steep. |
| 01:35.13 | simonrvn | considering that fuse is in the mainline kernel now ;) |
| 01:35.17 | TobiX | systm6: That depends :) - If you come from Solaris od *BSD, it's ok, if you come from Windows, try something like Ubuntu first :) |
| 01:35.23 | minerale | jelly: zcat config.gz | grep FUSE -> CONFIG_FUSE_FS=y |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | systm6: depends on your aptitude for self-learning |
| 01:35.31 | systm6 | okay |
| 01:35.36 | simonrvn | systm6: it's doable. i did it. debian was my first |
| 01:35.38 | jelly | minerale: nice. so skip the modprobe part. |
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| 01:35.46 | abrotman | my first too! |
| 01:35.51 | simonrvn | hehe ;) |
| 01:35.53 | abrotman | except for that failed RH install :) |
| 01:36.03 | jelly | abrotman: was it 6.2? |
| 01:36.09 | abrotman | 5.1 i think |
| 01:36.10 | eggleston | should XMMS be able to play WMA files? |
| 01:36.12 | abrotman | i'm old! |
| 01:36.17 | jelly | abrotman: you're old! |
| 01:36.18 | TobiX | I must confess, I took a path through SuSE... |
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| 01:36.26 | simonrvn | i tried installing on an m68k the first time. got better luck (and not so FUCKING LONG) to install on one of my ppcs |
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| 01:36.40 | jelly | abrotman: 5.1's like 1993-4? |
| 01:36.44 | abrotman | no way! |
| 01:36.48 | minerale | abrotman: yep, my first as well |
| 01:37.23 | abrotman | 5.1 (Manhattan), May 22, 1998 |
| 01:37.27 | abrotman | sounds about right .. maybe 5.0 |
| 01:37.33 | abrotman | dunno .. damn thing didn't work .. didn't use it :) |
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| 01:37.57 | abrotman | wait .. maybe "kenny" was 5.1 |
| 01:37.58 | abrotman | bah .. i don't remember |
| 01:38.36 | eggleston | has anyone here ever tried to play a WMA in XMMS? |
| 01:38.37 | minerale | jelly: ok, so I skip the modprobe, I did the rest -- I still have no fuse :-S |
| 01:38.38 | abrotman | see .. it was right after southpark started .. so you could type "kill kenny" and it will powerdown the box |
| 01:38.49 | jelly | minerale: you do have /dev/fuse now right? |
| 01:39.04 | abrotman | but that wasn't my box |
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| 01:40.36 | jelly | abrotman: you bastard |
| 01:40.55 | abrotman | yeah .. that was the joke |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | it was before SP was total mainstream .. oh well |
| 01:41.27 | jelly | yeah, it came in 30MB realmedia episodes. ;-) |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:41.36 | abrotman | mov! |
| 01:41.39 | minerale | jelly: I sure do |
| 01:41.44 | abrotman | No .. not ham you fat fuck! |
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| 01:42.14 | jelly | minerale: do you have a fuse group? |
| 01:42.31 | jelly | minerale: actually, do you have fuse-utils installed? |
| 01:42.43 | nvz | TobiX: dont feel bad.. Redhat 5.2 was my first distro |
| 01:43.15 | nvz | TobiX: and I had to go through Corel and Mandrake before I found my way to debian some 6 years or so ago now |
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| 01:43.49 | minerale | jelly: I do have fuse-utils |
| 01:43.52 | nvz | I cant believe its been that long.. time flies when you arent fighting with shitty software all the time :P |
| 01:44.35 | jelly | minerale: if you have fuser group and you have fuse-utils and /usr/bin/fusermount is setuid and in group fuse, fix the ownership of the device to root:fuse, mod 660. Add yourself to group fuse, re-login. fuse should work then. |
| 01:45.06 | jelly | minerale: s/fuser group/fuse group/ |
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| 01:47.11 | Xenguy | nvz: RH 5.2 was the quintessential release before v6 - damn fine version :-) |
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| 01:47.32 | Xenguy | nvz: cut my teeth on that |
| 01:47.32 | Guerin | rh9 was shit |
| 01:47.41 | Guerin | that's the first I used |
| 01:47.50 | jmdc_ | a network interface is coming up automatically. /etc/network/interfaces doesn't tell it to do so. Any ideas why? |
| 01:47.57 | Xenguy | Guerin: after that I switched to Debian :-) |
| 01:48.13 | jelly | Guerin: woah, I still have RH9 on a server. It had NPTL! |
| 01:48.40 | danieldg | jmdc_: do you have something like ifplugd installed? |
| 01:49.20 | nvz | Xenguy: yeah I bought 5.2 two disc set I think it was for like $24 and it completly sucked.. had me looking for another distro in a matter of minutes after installing.. and corel was an even sorrier sight.. I eventually got comfy dual-booting Mandrake and used it from 7.2-8.1 and ditched windows soon after.. and once I got used to linux I realized that I needed something a little less commerical and shiny if I was going to further |
| 01:49.39 | minerale | jelly: sshfs is still giving me this: fusermount: failed to create device node: Operation not permitted; fusermount: fuse device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first - I have added myself to the fuse grou - when I run it as root I get an error saying invalid options |
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| 01:49.55 | jmdc_ | danieldg: no. |
| 01:50.07 | Guerin | minerale: etch? |
| 01:50.13 | nvz | Xenguy: I d/l Slack and Freebsd then heard about debian and tried all 3 and it was pretty obvious after seeing slack, fbsd, and then installing debian that I had to look no further. |
| 01:51.07 | jelly | minerale: say, are you trying to mix fuse from 2.6.16 with fuse-utils from stable? |
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| 01:51.31 | Xenguy | nvz: interesting, and cool; your route was totally different from mine. Nice to see Debian convinced you :-) |
| 01:51.33 | jelly | minerale: I think had to backport both fuse-utils and sshfs to make it work. |
| 01:52.06 | nvz | Xenguy: for me debian is ideal because it gives me complete freedom without any hassles of just getting it up and running so I can move on to whatever might be important to me. |
| 01:52.11 | minerale | jelly: hmm, I can try that, what's that faq that had the backporting howto? |
| 01:52.13 | Guerin | i went mandy 9 -> hat 9 -> fedora 1 -> mepis -> knoppix hdinstall -> woody -> sid |
| 01:52.17 | minerale | !backport |
| 01:52.17 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
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| 01:52.33 | yos | how i install libraries: libssl.so.4 |
| 01:52.48 | jelly | minerale: if you're on i386 and trust binaries from strangers on irc, I can put the packages online. |
| 01:52.52 | Guerin | yos: aptitude search libssl |
| 01:53.12 | Guerin | yos: then aptitude install packageyouwant |
| 01:53.15 | jmdc_ | danieldg: I did (stupidly) install quite a few network-related packages. I was trying to set up wireless. I made a big mess, but I think I cleaned up fairly well after myself. |
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| 01:53.23 | minerale | jelly: sure |
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| 01:53.24 | Xenguy | nvz: philosophically Debian was right for me (+ an accomplished distribution technically) -- free as in freedom :-) |
| 01:53.25 | yos | Guerin tnx |
| 01:53.26 | nvz | Xenguy: I like the huge open community and I feel that debian got its priorities straight. Providing a free, stable, and portable OS. |
| 01:53.58 | Xenguy | nvz: ^5 |
| 01:54.13 | nvz | Xenguy: exactly I didnt realize my problems with computers were entirely philosophical until I got debian and it was just what I always wanted and never knew it |
| 01:54.26 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 01:54.47 | jelly | minerale: can you access this: http://nekkar.carnet.hr/experimental/sshfs_1.6-1_i386.deb http://nekkar.carnet.hr/experimental/fuse-utils_2.5.3-4.1_i386.deb |
| 01:54.54 | Guerin | hurrah, now I get to change the oil in my car |
| 01:55.26 | nvz | Guerin: nothing wrong with that. quite a simple proceedure. |
| 01:55.34 | itchi | nvz: Heh, deja vue ;-) |
| 01:55.35 | zinx | just messy |
| 01:55.41 | Guerin | i know, I'd just rather be fishing |
| 01:55.42 | nvz | especially since its probably not dark over there like it is here |
| 01:55.44 | jmdc_ | I do have gnome installed, and it has a gui for network configuration. It doesn't seem to play very nice with ifupdown - perhaps that is the culprit? |
| 01:55.57 | yos | Guerin i see but i dont see libssl.so.4 is other packet |
| 01:55.58 | Guerin | jelly: never use gnome gui for anything |
| 01:56.06 | Xenguy | nvz: it still continues to amaze me that a majority of people I work with don't get how sending massive $$ to a foreign corporation for the sheer privilege of computing is more than slightly weird :-) |
| 01:56.11 | nvz | Guerin: yeah, well.. hows that song go? "you can't always get what you want.." |
| 01:56.15 | Guerin | jmdc_: ↑ |
| 01:56.29 | abrotman | Xenguy: it's not really foreign :) |
| 01:56.32 | yos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:56.57 | Xenguy | abrotman: to a Canadian, you U.S. pig-dogs are completely alien actually ;-) |
| 01:57.04 | Guerin | yos: what have you installed that needs libssl4 |
| 01:57.05 | abrotman | Xenguy: you wish |
| 01:57.10 | Guerin | yos: hint: it's not in debian |
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| 01:57.11 | Xenguy | abrotman: oh yeah |
| 01:57.18 | abrotman | Xenguy: sadly .. it's not true |
| 01:57.34 | Xenguy | abrotman: freedom is not just a state of mind, you mean |
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| 01:57.41 | yos | Guerin flash server 2 |
| 01:57.47 | abrotman | Xenguy: that you're so much different |
| 01:57.49 | Guerin | !lose yos |
| 01:57.49 | dpkg | yos: You Lose. |
| 01:57.54 | minerale | jelly: I get The group `fuse' already exists as a system group. Exiting...; An override for "/usr/bin/fusermount" already exists, aborting |
| 01:58.05 | minerale | jelly: should I remove the group fuse and remove /usr/bin/fusermount ? |
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| 01:58.12 | Xenguy | abrotman: perhaps more different than you know, but we are divided too |
| 01:58.27 | abrotman | whatever you say |
| 01:58.35 | Xenguy | thank you |
| 01:58.47 | jmdc_ | I don't like gnome gui stuff for configuring either. I just want it to do nothing and leave my system alone. |
| 01:59.05 | Wyzard | jmdc_: Then don't use that applet |
| 01:59.23 | jmdc_ | fair enough |
| 01:59.51 | yos | Guerin i need libssl4 to install flash server 2 |
| 01:59.51 | jelly | minerale: only if the installation broke. |
| 02:00.19 | jmdc_ | I'm kind of guessing that gnome is ignorning what I've done in my interfaces file though |
| 02:00.49 | itchi | jmdc_: Need you to restart the network? /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 02:00.49 | jelly | minerale: if it just displayed those and dkpg finished successfully, there's no need -- it would just do the same thing again. |
| 02:01.44 | jmdc_ | itchi: I don't really need to just restart it. An interface is coming up at boot that I haven't specified in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:01.57 | Guerin | yos: nobody NEEDS flash server |
| 02:02.03 | jmdc_ | itchi: so I'm trying to figure out why that is, and guessing that it's gnomes fault |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | canadians do |
| 02:02.09 | abrotman | they're aliens |
| 02:02.20 | Guerin | yos: ask the eejits at macdobedia for help |
| 02:02.21 | yos | Guerin i need |
| 02:02.24 | Guerin | !need |
| 02:02.25 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
| 02:02.27 | abrotman | uhoh |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | lag! |
| 02:03.08 | zinx | you don't need food, you'll just die without it |
| 02:03.26 | Guerin | zinx: i think that qualifies as a need |
| 02:03.26 | minerale | jelly: the last word on that message was Aborting... |
| 02:03.35 | smax | what is the file compleation entry in .bash_profile/.bashrc to utilize file name completion via ESC-ESC ? |
| 02:03.37 | TobiX | zinx: And next you say we don't need air... |
| 02:03.47 | Guerin | smax: #bash |
| 02:03.49 | yos | Guerin is not about macromedia is about debian libssl4 |
| 02:03.59 | zinx | TobiX: or water! |
| 02:04.03 | yos | how i install libssl4 |
| 02:04.08 | yos | please |
| 02:04.11 | zinx | Guerin: you need it to live.. but need it need it? Nah. |
| 02:04.32 | abrotman | you need sustinence .. not food |
| 02:04.34 | Guerin | yos: if macdobedia don't provide the libraries necessary to run their shitty software, why is it our problem? Go check snapshot.debian.net and/or build it yourself |
| 02:04.36 | TobiX | yos: Debian does not have a libssl.so.4 |
| 02:04.48 | zinx | abrotman: good point, except you only need it to live :P |
| 02:04.58 | Guerin | zinx: as the chinese used to say during the cultural revolution: If you want rice, there will be plenty in the next life. |
| 02:05.06 | minerale | abrotman: how do I make dpkg "overwrite a system group" ? |
| 02:05.44 | minerale | abrotman: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statusoverride file |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | why would you want to ? |
| 02:05.54 | yos | then debian is not working on macromedia flash server 2 ? |
| 02:05.55 | abrotman | make the group ? |
| 02:06.08 | Guerin | yos: WHO FUCKING CARES? |
| 02:06.17 | abrotman | yos does ... |
| 02:06.18 | yos | me |
| 02:06.22 | minerale | abrotman: if I make it the installation does not work because 'it already exists' -> The group `fuse' already exists as a system group. Exiting... |
| 02:06.38 | abrotman | so freaking comment out the command in the inst script |
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| 02:06.53 | Guerin | yos: if some random shit proprietary tardware happens to work on debian, it's PURE COINCIDENCE. |
| 02:07.03 | itchi | Heh, maybe yos need to crazy video of that german guy :-p |
| 02:07.12 | itchi | arg/ s/to/that/ |
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| 02:07.31 | yos | ERROR: Your distribution, unknown, is not supported by this |
| 02:07.31 | yos | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | !oracle |
| 02:07.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml Debian packages(for Express Edition) available at http://otn.oracle.com/ or apt repository at http://oss.oracle.com/debian/ |
| 02:07.34 | TobiX | yos: Most Debian users/developers don't care about stupid comercial software which does not know how to properly link against libraries, so that it runs on every system |
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| 02:07.58 | Guerin | yos: contact macdobedia for support. That is all. |
| 02:08.08 | minerale | jelly: I installed the two packages, when trying to Use I get: sshfs: /usr/lib/libfuse.so.2: version `FUSE_2.5' not found (required by sshfs) |
| 02:08.21 | yos | tnx Guerin i will |
| 02:08.36 | itchi | yos: Look this while thinking to macdobedia http://youtube.com/watch?v=F9pgOmlHE2k :-p |
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| 02:08.47 | TobiX | Guerin: I like your word construct "macdobedia" ;) |
| 02:09.08 | itchi | Lesser hit's for that comercial stuff :-p |
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| 02:09.25 | Guerin | well, not AS evil |
| 02:09.30 | Guerin | and when they were separate |
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| 02:10.37 | nvz | I noticed that Adobe/Macromedia thing the other day.,. I thought I was in the twilight zone or something |
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| 02:11.04 | zinx | Guerin: They were always evil. |
| 02:11.14 | zinx | and they have always seemed to be very similar, even when they weren't together. |
| 02:11.15 | Guerin | zinx: yeah. But not as evil as now. |
| 02:11.20 | DeathOfRats | nvz: I noticed a little mechanical man trying to kill me ... but the cat ate it |
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| 02:13.36 | TobiX | Guerin: Yeah, they stopped their SVG plug-in... "Hey, a in-house propritory vector format (Flash) is better then supporting an open standard!" :( |
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| 02:15.07 | slept | is it possible to substitute a variable into a variable in bash syntax. I want to have increasing $1 $2 and so on to the last argument |
| 02:15.17 | nvz | DeathOfRats: hmm... whens the last time you had an MRI? |
| 02:15.23 | abrotman | slept: ask #bash |
| 02:15.39 | slept | ok |
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| 02:15.45 | jelly | minerale: sorry, copy also libfuse2_2.5.3-4.1_i386.deb. |
| 02:16.09 | jmdc_ | thanks for the help everyone. |
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| 02:16.43 | jelly | minerale: http://nekkar.carnet.hr/experimental/libfuse2_2.5.3-4.1_i386.deb |
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| 02:17.57 | itchi | Sleep well everyone ;-) I go |
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| 02:20.53 | minerale | jelly: ok... now when I do `sshfs host: /mnt/somehwere -- I get: fusermount: unknown option -- |
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| 02:27.13 | minerale | jelly: ok, I'm almost there, I can now finally mount it but only as root, -- if a user I get an error / no permission to read /dev/fuse |
| 02:27.28 | phpnuborn | anyone know how to make putty display the 'graphic' lines instead of letters while using Midnight Commander? MC a text based file manager. |
| 02:28.00 | minerale | phpnuborn: exit mc -> export TERM=xterm |
| 02:28.14 | minerale | phpnuborn: if that does not work try xterm-color, or linux |
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| 02:28.41 | abrotman | phpnuborn: wrong emulation or wrong locale |
| 02:29.29 | phpnuborn | exit mc -> export TERM=xterm <-- a complete command or a bunch together? |
| 02:29.30 | minerale | phpnuborn: hehe, I use mc only because of nostalgia from the days of XTreeGOld |
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| 02:29.59 | simonrvn | mc r0x |
| 02:30.01 | minerale | that's a complete command phpnuborn % export TERM=xterm |
| 02:30.27 | asg | simonrvn: you could market that to the clown you know |
| 02:30.45 | phpnuborn | exit mc the type export TERM=xterm |
| 02:30.52 | simonrvn | fuck the clown |
| 02:30.59 | simonrvn | :) |
| 02:31.10 | abrotman | yeah! |
| 02:31.10 | asg | tis the season apparently |
| 02:31.26 | phpnuborn | symbols like -> confuse this noob |
| 02:31.53 | simonrvn | indeed :) |
| 02:32.30 | phpnuborn | % and command prompt? or something i should type? |
| 02:32.38 | phpnuborn | *an |
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| 02:32.55 | minerale | phpnuborn: usually % will mean the prompt that's already there, it tells you what follows is the command |
| 02:33.23 | phpnuborn | my prompt is ~# |
| 02:33.53 | cobelloy | if I have a 1 button mouse with 3 button emulation activated, how do I set the key for the right click? |
| 02:34.04 | cobelloy | in ubuntu it was automatically f12 |
| 02:34.16 | phpnuborn | so i type export TERM=xterm |
| 02:34.56 | phpnuborn | or % export TERM=xterm |
| 02:35.10 | minerale | the first one, phpnuborn :-/ |
| 02:35.17 | phpnuborn | thx |
| 02:36.12 | simonrvn | command prompt |
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| 02:36.48 | abrotman | my debian accidentally installed suse! |
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| 02:37.32 | asg | abrotman: did it install the 'abend' package also? |
| 02:37.56 | abrotman | asg: i got Tetris in the installer! |
| 02:38.15 | asg | abrotman: ooooh, so Caldera-ish |
| 02:38.21 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:38.40 | mplex | anyone have problems with ssh public keys and debian and non-debian machines? it may be that all the machines Im working with are just older I just cant find any good information on the web |
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| 02:39.25 | mplex | I can copy all my public keys to my debian boxes just fine, but my older say RH9 etc boxes don't accept it |
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| 02:40.15 | phpnuborn | i just use apt-get twice.. once for vsftpd and mc.. i'm told my debian is connecting to a suppository of .deb files.. so if there is an offical download site.. is there a viewable list of available apps to download? |
| 02:40.35 | abrotman | mplex: does it use ssh1 and 2 ? |
| 02:40.48 | mplex | they are all ssh2 |
| 02:40.49 | Stevie | a suppository of .deb files? |
| 02:40.55 | Stevie | that sounds... unpleasant |
| 02:41.05 | phpnuborn | whatever get downloaded |
| 02:41.08 | abrotman | Stevie: dpkg -i ? |
| 02:41.22 | abrotman | !tell phpnuborn about refcard |
| 02:41.25 | abrotman | !tell phpnuborn about grounding |
| 02:41.27 | Stevie | <Fry> I can't swallow that! |
| 02:41.33 | mplex | but they are still older, some use different names for the key files generated, one box even stores everything in .ssh2 |
| 02:41.33 | phpnuborn | .zip files? if linux has zip files |
| 02:41.36 | Stevie | <Professor> Well then, good news! It's a suppository. |
| 02:42.08 | mplex | but it accepts my password just fine, and when I debug the client side, I just dont get a response when I send my public key |
| 02:42.31 | Stevie | ssh -vvv ? |
| 02:42.43 | mplex | hm, no, let me try that, brb |
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| 02:43.10 | mplex | debug3: send_pubkey_test |
| 02:43.10 | mplex | debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply |
| 02:43.10 | mplex | debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password |
| 02:43.25 | mplex | but it doesnt continue |
| 02:43.44 | Stevie | do you control the server? |
| 02:44.10 | mplex | Ive tried both rsa and dsa keys, and Ive saved in authorized_keys[1&2] under .ssh[1&2] |
| 02:44.15 | mplex | no |
| 02:44.30 | Stevie | then I'm not sure where to go from there |
| 02:44.57 | mplex | but I can work with the guy, but his RH desktop connects to them all and he always gives me crap for using debian, so I want to make sure its not something common |
| 02:45.20 | Stevie | the deadrat guy is giving *you* crap for using Debian? |
| 02:45.24 | mplex | like I said, they are old, patched but old |
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| 02:45.54 | mplex | yea, he's a smarter than me so I cant say too much ;) |
| 02:46.11 | mplex | Im a network guy so I only admin on the side |
| 02:47.19 | phpnuborn | so there is no list of available programs installable by apt-get? |
| 02:47.28 | asg | phpnuborn: apt-cache search . |
| 02:47.37 | mplex | heh |
| 02:47.57 | Stevie | aptitude |
| 02:48.05 | Stevie | makes for a much better list ;) |
| 02:48.13 | KyleH | what about apt-file? |
| 02:48.17 | asg | Stevie: same list, different presentation |
| 02:48.19 | Stevie | apt-file is different |
| 02:48.33 | Stevie | asg: the presentation itself is a list |
| 02:48.58 | asg | Stevie: I can't think of anything more grokable than: <pkg> - <description> |
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| 02:49.51 | Stevie | aptitude's a little more interactive. At the very least do apt-cache search . | less -MS |
| 02:50.37 | phpnuborn | when someone says.. install programxyz i want to be able take it from that point so i'm not asking for complete instructions.. |
| 02:51.49 | asg | Stevie: he's welcome to post-process the output in anyway he sees fit |
| 02:52.19 | Stevie | apt-cache search . | tr a-z n-za-m |
| 02:52.36 | asg | or pipe it to chef(6) |
| 02:52.50 | cobelloy | I have 3 button emu on, and some lines in sysctl.conf to describe the key for other mouse buttons - but it doesnt work |
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| 02:57.25 | dob1 | hi |
| 02:57.43 | dob1 | how can i purge a package that it is not installed ? i mean a package that was remove only with apt-get remove and not with --purge, i have to re-install it and then purge it? |
| 02:57.47 | odla | does kmplayer require mplayer? |
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| 02:58.24 | abrotman | dob1: man dpkg |
| 02:58.27 | abrotman | odla: probably |
| 02:59.31 | dob1 | abrotman: ok thanks resolved |
| 02:59.46 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:59.47 | psychonate | Mplayer tells me /dev/dsp is busy, but lsof says nothing to that effect. Any other way to check? |
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| 03:00.12 | jack_frost | i'm wondering - i just did a fresh debian install, and put on vlc, and i've noticed that my sound doesn't work. are there any packages i need to download? |
| 03:00.13 | psychonate | (besides arbitrary killing processes) |
| 03:00.26 | psychonate | s/arbitrary/arbitrarily |
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| 03:01.21 | psychonate | also, if I don't run lsof as root I get this "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev" |
| 03:01.24 | jack_frost | i didn't install kde or gnome, but just installed x11 and then fluxbox |
| 03:01.28 | abrotman | jack_frost: in the audio group ? |
| 03:01.51 | jack_frost | anything specific i should look for? |
| 03:02.05 | abrotman | !sound |
| 03:02.05 | dpkg | i heard sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 03:02.32 | jack_frost | cool |
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| 03:05.34 | Stevie | alsa-bork ? |
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| 03:06.52 | sanmarcos | danger alert! |
| 03:09.35 | sanmarcos | what good keboard do you guys recommend for a lot of typing ? /coding? |
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| 03:12.46 | abrotman | ask #hardware |
| 03:13.24 | cobelloy | anyone know how to get 3 button emu on a one button imac mouse? |
| 03:13.38 | zinx | cobelloy: buy a mouse with three buttons |
| 03:13.49 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 03:13.49 | dpkg | hmm... ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 03:13.53 | cobelloy | ... |
| 03:14.11 | cobelloy | no one around in debianppc |
| 03:14.44 | cobelloy | and new mouse is not really a solution - I am out in the middle of nowhere, not near any shops |
| 03:14.46 | abrotman | be patient |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | they'll answer |
| 03:15.04 | cobelloy | plus my daughter likes the little mouse - cos she has a little hand |
| 03:15.07 | abrotman | or we'll drag simonrvn and force feed him cheesesteaks until he talks! |
| 03:15.30 | cobelloy | abrotman: I know, but I also keep dropping out due to a crappy internet link |
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| 03:19.25 | cobelloy | someones awake in there now |
| 03:19.55 | odla | !crap |
| 03:19.55 | dpkg | crap is probably if its not crap, its hilarious |
| 03:21.25 | odla | !blame abrotman |
| 03:21.45 | cobelloy | anyone know how to figure out which keys are 97 and 100 ? |
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| 03:28.32 | minerale | can someone suggest a easy-to-configure, robust ftp server? -- so many to choose from |
| 03:28.45 | pstickne | cobelloy, xev? |
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| 03:29.48 | nemish | How do I enable exclusions for apt-get upgrade ? |
| 03:30.47 | Illiyah | minerale glftpd |
| 03:32.12 | pstickne | cobelloy, xmodmpa -pke might be what you want |
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| 03:32.56 | abrotman | !tell nemish about hold |
| 03:33.13 | nemish | abrotman: /etc/apt/preferences ? |
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| 03:33.24 | cobelloy | I got it - it says key 100 is ALTGR - what is that? |
| 03:33.25 | nemish | does "pin" need to be specific? |
| 03:33.41 | abrotman | nemish: eh .. read what dpkg told you about hold ing a package |
| 03:33.48 | pstickne | Alt Graph |
| 03:33.53 | pstickne | don't ask me what "that is" |
| 03:33.59 | nemish | abrotman: is there an unhold? |
| 03:34.04 | abrotman | yep |
| 03:34.13 | abrotman | !tell nemish about heldback |
| 03:34.18 | abrotman | !tell nemish about held back |
| 03:34.51 | cobelloy | pstickne: but I dont know what Alt Graph is either |
| 03:35.00 | nemish | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:35.15 | nemish | should be helpful with kernel upgrades breaking my vmware installs |
| 03:35.18 | nemish | :) |
| 03:37.32 | Illiyah | !tell glftpd |
| 03:37.33 | pstickne | cobelloy, it's not on standard *English* PC keyboards AFAIK, I'm not sure where it originated but I think it's for the funny symbols on European keyboards. |
| 03:38.44 | CrippsFX | where is Zope installed when I use apt-get to install it? |
| 03:39.43 | abrotman | CrippsFX: dpkg -L <pkg> |
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| 03:42.28 | cobelloy | great - so my third mouse button is mapped to a key that doesnt exist... |
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| 03:42.39 | weirdo | hello |
| 03:42.48 | Illiyah | my mom tells me not to talk to weirdos |
| 03:42.53 | weirdo | is there a tool that lists security problems for installed packages? |
| 03:43.05 | abrotman | security.debian.org |
| 03:43.23 | weirdo | well, something to hook up to cron? |
| 03:43.38 | weirdo | like, if any packages have vulnerabilities, it yells at me and lists the vulnerabilities |
| 03:43.58 | abrotman | not that i'm aware .. but i'm sure a perl guru could whip somehting up |
| 03:44.10 | weirdo | i know a bit of perl |
| 03:44.15 | vezult | weirdo: debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org |
| 03:44.17 | weirdo | what vuln database can i use? |
| 03:44.22 | weirdo | that's not it, still :/ |
| 03:44.29 | abrotman | get the Packages.gz from security.debian.org :) |
| 03:44.40 | weirdo | when i was using freebsd, portaudit would mail vulns to me |
| 03:44.48 | Illiyah | thats leet |
| 03:44.50 | unlink | i have the line "install ipw3945 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install ipw3945; sleep 0.5; /sbin/ipw3945d --quiet" in a file in /etc/modprobe.d, but modprobe ipw3945 only loads ipw3945d the second time i call modprobe ipw3945 (calling modprobe 0r in between) |
| 03:44.58 | abrotman | Illiyah: are you broken? |
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| 03:45.09 | Illiyah | no, you? |
| 03:45.16 | weirdo | heh :/ |
| 03:45.43 | abrotman | weirdo: anyways ... you could write something i'd imagine |
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| 03:46.57 | weirdo | i wonder. it's such a common need, and no such program exists yet |
| 03:47.22 | abrotman | yeah ... should be something called 'dsa-check' or something |
| 03:47.28 | abrotman | or dsa-audit |
| 03:48.15 | vezult | weirdo: try http://www.steve.org.uk/Software/debian-updates/ |
| 03:48.35 | abrotman | yeah .. like that! |
| 03:48.35 | weirdo | thanks! |
| 03:48.46 | minerale | where can I get statistics about popularity of debian packages ? |
| 03:48.58 | zinx | !popcon |
| 03:48.58 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 03:50.47 | boss | im looking to use debian for a discless thin client, does anyone know of a howto for this? |
| 03:51.12 | Xenguy | boss: ltsp |
| 03:51.14 | Xenguy | ? |
| 03:51.24 | abrotman | google should have quite a few |
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| 03:57.31 | odla | iceweasel is quite a bit faster than firefox in my opinion |
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| 03:59.19 | Ctuthuwin | I hate to bug. |
| 03:59.19 | Xenguy | odla: sid? |
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| 04:00.35 | Ctuthuwin | I just cloned an existing debian from /dev/sda1 to /dev/sdb1 (I ran out of space on sda1) But I saw a lot of errors when I copied the files via mc. The question is is there some followup or something that I can clean up some of the problems? |
| 04:00.58 | unlink | mc? |
| 04:01.06 | Ctuthuwin | midnight commander |
| 04:01.25 | unlink | use dd, cat or some other low-level tool for cloning |
| 04:01.27 | Ctuthuwin | it was mostly symlinks and I THINK directories that were not created yet. |
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| 04:01.42 | Ctuthuwin | it runs |
| 04:01.44 | abrotman | eh .. dd isn't a good idea |
| 04:01.53 | Ctuthuwin | But I know that some stuff may be bad. |
| 04:02.04 | odla | Xenguy: no from gnuzilla website |
| 04:02.12 | vulture | abrotman: why's that? |
| 04:02.13 | Ctuthuwin | YEah dd wouldn't work because of the partition sizes |
| 04:02.13 | Miesco | Whats the best VNC server/client? |
| 04:02.14 | odla | Xenguy: i don't think it's made it to sid yet |
| 04:02.17 | unlink | if you have the same partition layout, you can simply copy the entire partitions exactly |
| 04:02.19 | Xenguy | odla: did you compile? |
| 04:02.21 | golly | what command do I need to use to see if samba is running?? |
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| 04:02.24 | odla | Xenguy: you don't need to |
| 04:02.30 | abrotman | vulture: if the partitions aren't hte same size ? |
| 04:02.32 | odla | Xenguy: just unzip and run ./iceweasel |
| 04:02.34 | Ctuthuwin | I did not have the same partition |
| 04:02.41 | Xenguy | odla: ah, binaries |
| 04:02.47 | odla | Xenguy: yippers |
| 04:02.52 | Ctuthuwin | hda1 was 4G hda2 was 500G |
| 04:02.58 | vulture | abrotman: if you were copying between partitions, rather than drives it'd be ok - you could resize the filesystem aftewards, right? |
| 04:03.04 | Xenguy | odla: works OK? |
| 04:03.11 | odla | Xenguy: works great |
| 04:03.13 | Ctuthuwin | working so far |
| 04:03.24 | abrotman | vulture: depends on the FS .. he didn't specify |
| 04:03.29 | odla | Xenguy: you wouldn't know it's not ff except it seems faster imo |
| 04:03.39 | odla | Xenguy: i've got flash 9 working with it too |
| 04:03.41 | Xenguy | Ctuthuwin: keep us posted, winters coming and I'm looking forward to the ice :-) |
| 04:03.47 | Ctuthuwin | lol |
| 04:03.52 | Ctuthuwin | looks like it worked then |
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| 04:03.58 | Miesco | Im just using tightvnc |
| 04:04.04 | nopealicious | hey guys.. |
| 04:04.17 | nopealicious | whats with that [non-free] stuff for rar?? |
| 04:04.21 | abrotman | vulture: IOW .. there are alternatives that are preferable |
| 04:04.34 | w32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.36 | abrotman | IMO anyways ... for whatever that's worth :) |
| 04:04.53 | nopealicious | how teh ** do i get rar on my machine?! |
| 04:04.57 | vulture | abrotman: what alternatives would you advocate for such an operation? |
| 04:05.20 | nopealicious | i remember it was all free when i used gentoo (or any other distro) |
| 04:05.23 | nopealicious | did that change for rar or is that debian specific?? |
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| 04:05.42 | Xenguy | nopealicious: I thought it was apt-getable |
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| 04:05.54 | Xenguy | nopealicious: but don't know for sure |
| 04:05.55 | abrotman | vulture: tar perhaps .. rsync ? |
| 04:06.00 | nopealicious | Xenguy, it's not :< |
| 04:06.06 | nopealicious | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/rar |
| 04:06.11 | nopealicious | it says non-free |
| 04:06.19 | nopealicious | and i never heard of rar beeing not free :S |
| 04:06.20 | abrotman | cpio even |
| 04:06.30 | nopealicious | what kind ofbad joke is that?:S |
| 04:06.31 | Xenguy | nopealicious: that's just a category - you can d/l and install if you want to |
| 04:06.39 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. not my data :) |
| 04:06.39 | nopealicious | umm yes.. |
| 04:06.50 | Ctuthuwin | OH hey... The thing I noticed the most that went eRRoRs was the timezone files. |
| 04:06.52 | nopealicious | but it says ill have to register it after 40 days.. |
| 04:07.00 | nopealicious | never heard of that with any other distro |
| 04:07.10 | Ctuthuwin | on the clone from 4G to 500G thing.. anyway |
| 04:07.16 | Xenguy | nopealicious: I have command-line rar installed and there is no register - debian doesn't do that crap |
| 04:07.17 | nopealicious | is this a mock? (stupid ppl pay, the others just use it??) |
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| 04:07.40 | Ctuthuwin | doing an update now |
| 04:07.41 | nopealicious | but how do I get it then? |
| 04:07.46 | nopealicious | i tried apt-get isntall rar |
| 04:08.03 | nopealicious | it says: E: Package rar has no installation candidate |
| 04:08.18 | unlink | might be in non-free |
| 04:08.24 | Xenguy | somebody help nopealicious , I'm not near a debian box right now |
| 04:08.25 | nvz | !info unrar-nonfree |
| 04:08.25 | Ctuthuwin | wow only 3 MB update! EXCELLENT! I wonder if perl 5.8 is lit |
| 04:08.28 | w32 | nopealicious you'll have to edit your sources.list I think |
| 04:08.30 | nopealicious | i dont get it.. wth |
| 04:08.36 | abrotman | Xenguy: don't use rar ? |
| 04:08.36 | nopealicious | ?? |
| 04:08.40 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 04:08.41 | nopealicious | what for??? |
| 04:08.44 | simonrvn | there's 2 IIRc, one free one in non-free. the latter is named unrar-nonfree i think |
| 04:08.50 | Xenguy | abrotman: I try not to use it |
| 04:09.00 | nopealicious | isn't debian supposed to not do that?! |
| 04:09.07 | Ctuthuwin | I might just get E17 installed yet. |
| 04:09.09 | nvz | !info unrar |
| 04:09.11 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 89 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 04:09.11 | nopealicious | i remember doing emerge rar with gentoo and everything was fine |
| 04:09.12 | Ctuthuwin | ;o) |
| 04:09.12 | nvz | !info unrar-free |
| 04:09.14 | w32 | nopealicious because your only looking in stable |
| 04:09.19 | dpkg | unrar-free: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 04:09.29 | nopealicious | w32 ? |
| 04:09.35 | w32 | yeah ? |
| 04:09.45 | Xenguy | haha |
| 04:09.57 | nopealicious | E: Couldn't find package unrar-free |
| 04:10.04 | nopealicious | now.. what do i do? |
| 04:10.06 | Illiyah | unrar |
| 04:10.09 | simonrvn | oh |
| 04:10.09 | Illiyah | or just rar |
| 04:10.12 | Illiyah | apt-get install rar |
| 04:10.16 | simonrvn | changed the fricking names .. |
| 04:10.19 | Xenguy | nopealicious: expand your /etc/apt/sources.list I expect |
| 04:10.26 | nopealicious | whithout reading myself through licensebullshit after licensemock for hours? |
| 04:10.49 | nopealicious | omg.. yet another licensefiddling. |
| 04:10.53 | w32 | nopealicious ^^^ read what Xenguy just posted |
| 04:11.11 | nopealicious | riiight; like i know what that means without wasting alot of time for this useless construct |
| 04:11.12 | Xenguy | isn't there still an apt-setup prog or something? |
| 04:11.15 | nopealicious | FUCK |
| 04:11.43 | Xenguy | apt-get install apt-setup ? |
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| 04:11.44 | w32 | you need to edit the sources.list to include non-free packages |
| 04:12.01 | stew | Xenguy: ints in base-config in sarge, its was removed from etch and sid |
| 04:12.10 | nopealicious | w32, so its yet another thing to make ppl waste time?? |
| 04:12.22 | Xenguy | stew: bummer |
| 04:12.38 | nopealicious | i thought debian wasn't into mocking users :< |
| 04:12.41 | Ctuthuwin | where is the best sources.list for sid? |
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| 04:12.48 | Ctuthuwin | j/k |
| 04:12.48 | Xenguy | nopealicious: can you edit a file ? :-) |
| 04:12.50 | gravity | nopealicious: Yes, Debian is totally mocking you. It's all meant to make you hate the world. |
| 04:12.55 | nopealicious | Xenguy, yes |
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| 04:12.59 | gravity | nopealicious: Clearly, you've been personally targeted. |
| 04:13.02 | Xenguy | nopealicious: go for it |
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| 04:13.34 | nopealicious | but i can't understand why i need that.. |
| 04:13.43 | nopealicious | is it to drive me crazy or just waste my time? |
| 04:13.48 | pinky | Okay, so my samba package is broken and I have no idea how to fix it: |
| 04:13.49 | pinky | "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.23c-2_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102" |
| 04:13.49 | w32 | nopealicious: no |
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| 04:13.58 | nopealicious | it reminds me of windows.. |
| 04:14.00 | Xenguy | nopealicious: you are adjusting a configuration to make more software available to you :-) |
| 04:14.05 | nopealicious | "it won't work until you click NEXT" |
| 04:14.05 | nopealicious | ffs |
| 04:14.17 | nvz | gravity: I sense a shitty attitude, no point in fueling the fire.. might as well just lurk quietly in the shadows until its time to talk to chanserv ;) |
| 04:14.22 | nopealicious | Xenguy, thats great; yet why do i need that? :D |
| 04:14.31 | Xenguy | nopealicious: setup's always a bitch; then you get to snooze ;-) |
| 04:14.33 | stew | nopealicious: debian doesn't include any non-free software. that's the point of debian |
| 04:14.35 | nopealicious | i thought the fact that i installed debian means that i want software.. |
| 04:14.46 | nopealicious | i'll assume its just to mock ppl |
| 04:14.59 | gravity | nvz: Yeah, you're probably right |
| 04:15.01 | Xenguy | nopealicious: yeah, probably |
| 04:15.04 | nopealicious | or make debian look special; but tbh its just making me sick again |
| 04:15.11 | w32 | nopealicious: you are looking at the glass as half empty too soon |
| 04:15.12 | nvz | gravity: na, what the hell do I know :P |
| 04:15.13 | nopealicious | i think i'll go bsd sooner thatn i expected :) |
| 04:15.15 | Ctuthuwin | hey nopealicious, wanna go fight with me in #politics? |
| 04:15.19 | Xenguy | nopealicious: troll |
| 04:15.20 | nopealicious | yes w32 |
| 04:15.33 | nopealicious | it is half empty if i need to waste time to get what i want!! |
| 04:15.40 | Xenguy | nopealicious: l8r |
| 04:15.45 | nopealicious | and to read through some useless configurationconstruct after the other.. |
| 04:15.51 | nopealicious | which honestly NOONE really needs.. |
| 04:15.52 | Ctuthuwin | it's halloween bay-bee |
| 04:15.53 | stew | nopealicious: do you have a debian related question? |
| 04:15.58 | nopealicious | is making it look quite half-emtpy tbh. |
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| 04:16.07 | gravity | nopealicious: Debian has a mission to promote Free Software. Debian, as a whole, believes that encouraging users to use Free software is in their interest. As such, it discourages the use of non-free software, and makes you actively choose to use it on Debian. |
| 04:16.09 | stew | nopealicious: please try to keep it constructive and on-topic |
| 04:16.11 | Ctuthuwin | read through the shiste |
| 04:16.19 | nopealicious | yes stew ; how do i add some version of rar to my /bin directory? |
| 04:16.32 | Illiyah | all you guys using rar |
| 04:16.34 | Xenguy | Ctuthuwin: favourite day of the year (or one of) |
| 04:16.35 | gravity | nopealicious: It's that simple. If you want to be offended by it, go ahead. You've spent more time complaining about it than it takes to just edit the file. |
| 04:16.42 | stew | nopealicious: apt-get install rar |
| 04:16.47 | nopealicious | or "how to install that stuff whitout reading through masses of someone configuration fantasies"?? |
| 04:17.05 | Xenguy | Illiyah: some p2p types use it - what can you do? |
| 04:17.05 | nopealicious | stew, E: Package rar has no installation candidate |
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| 04:17.19 | stew | oh is rar the non-free one? |
| 04:17.20 | w32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.26 | Illiyah | its notfree |
| 04:17.27 | nopealicious | *shrug* |
| 04:17.35 | nopealicious | bsd just got another point.. |
| 04:17.42 | nvz | !info rar |
| 04:17.44 | nopealicious | its debian 0 - 3 bsd now :D |
| 04:17.45 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 04:17.54 | Ctuthuwin | if I wasn't updating I'd send you a rar via DCCC |
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| 04:17.59 | nopealicious | how is that non free??? |
| 04:18.01 | w32 | then use bsd and wuit flooding wth bitching |
| 04:18.02 | stew | nopealicious: you'd have to add non-free to your sources. /msg dpkg non-free |
| 04:18.03 | Xenguy | nvz: <g> |
| 04:18.04 | nvz | nopealicious: sounds like bsd won to me, whitewash.. I think its time to leave now |
| 04:18.04 | Illiyah | its shareware |
| 04:18.08 | jelly | Illiyah: also, rar is used to unpack viruses sent in rar archives. |
| 04:18.22 | Illiyah | jelly true, but thats why you use a zipscript |
| 04:18.39 | nopealicious | so i will need to waste time to read someones fantasies just to install some package which is non-free.. |
| 04:18.47 | nopealicious | thanks anyways guys.. |
| 04:18.50 | gravity | nopealicious: Have fun with bsd |
| 04:18.55 | nvz | hallelujah |
| 04:18.55 | jelly | Illiyah: haven't seen anything about zipscript in amavis. |
| 04:19.03 | nopealicious | gravity, im sure i will!! |
| 04:19.09 | gravity | oneone |
| 04:19.20 | Illiyah | no a zipscripts what you use to verify the intergrity of the rar your downloading |
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| 04:19.51 | Ctuthuwin | nopealicious, /msg me |
| 04:19.52 | w32 | nopealicious: tahnks for stopping by, enjoy where you won't need to read any docs or ever edit a file |
| 04:20.00 | stew | nopealicious: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/u/unrar-nonfree/unrar-nonfree_3.5.2-0.1/unrar.copyright <- that will explain why it is non-free |
| 04:20.00 | Ctuthuwin | I hook yor ass up with rar |
| 04:20.10 | stew | Ctuthuwin: stop |
| 04:20.10 | jelly | Illiyah: oh, I don't care about downloading rars in htis case, I just want to stop viruses even if they're packed in rar files. |
| 04:20.15 | nopealicious | w32, it's not about not having to read any docs.. |
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| 04:20.25 | nopealicious | i have no problem reading docs for things that need docs |
| 04:20.34 | nopealicious | but friggin rar beeing non-free???!? wth is that?!? |
| 04:20.41 | black_13 | #networking |
| 04:20.45 | jelly | nopealicious: rar _is_ non-free. |
| 04:20.47 | stew | nopealicious: i just sent you the link explainging it |
| 04:20.50 | Ctuthuwin | rar.com? |
| 04:20.55 | w32 | ask rarlabs debian isn't responsible for it |
| 04:20.55 | gravity | Reading is hard. |
| 04:20.57 | Ctuthuwin | er winrar. |
| 04:21.00 | nopealicious | jelly, then how come i used it with gentoo for years?! |
| 04:21.07 | Ctuthuwin | .com is non free |
| 04:21.13 | nopealicious | not having to hear a single word about it beeing non-free?!? |
| 04:21.18 | Ctuthuwin | .org is non profit |
| 04:21.22 | gravity | nopealicious: Gentoo doesn't have any real standards of software freedom |
| 04:21.27 | stew | nopealicious: becuase gentoo is not as concertned with freedom |
| 04:21.29 | jelly | nopealicious: ask gentoo about their policies. |
| 04:21.30 | nopealicious | why is it that only with debian i need to read thorugh someones fantasyconfigs to just get friggin rar?!? |
| 04:21.35 | nopealicious | this is not even ridiculous |
| 04:21.43 | nopealicious | its worse than the windows next-mindset |
| 04:21.53 | dondelelcaro | nopealicious: if you want rar, it's in non-free. It's pretty simple. |
| 04:21.54 | nopealicious | click-next-mindset * |
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| 04:21.58 | stew | nopealicious: do you have any other debian related questions? |
| 04:21.59 | Ctuthuwin | compile and save a binary on a USB stick and you'll never have to worry again eh? |
| 04:22.03 | jelly | is it sunday already? |
| 04:22.08 | nopealicious | WTH if i want rar its not free!?!?!?!? |
| 04:22.14 | nopealicious | i used it for years with gentoo now |
| 04:22.20 | nvz | heh |
| 04:22.23 | nopealicious | not even hearing a word about it beeing non free.. |
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| 04:22.30 | dondelelcaro | nopealicious: then what's your point? If you don't want it, don't use it. If you didn't know, well, now you do. |
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| 04:22.33 | nvz | we been over that already |
| 04:23.19 | nvz | man he's more annoying than I am talking about homos with greycat :P |
| 04:23.26 | w32 | nopealicious: I need some help with my debian box is it okay if I ask a question now ? |
| 04:23.33 | jelly | I think today might be a non-workday in .at ;-) |
| 04:24.10 | cobelloy | nopealicious: there is a free version and a non-free version |
| 04:24.16 | w32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.43 | cobelloy | where can I find a list of repositories for debian ppc? |
| 04:24.57 | cobelloy | I want some packages that are not in the standad repo's |
| 04:25.15 | nvz | cobelloy: apt-get.org |
| 04:25.30 | unlink | check http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and apt-get.org |
| 04:25.51 | cobelloy | thank-you |
| 04:25.56 | nvz | your-welcome |
| 04:26.11 | nvz | er wait a minute.. |
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| 04:26.27 | nvz | I was too busy mocking your hyphenation I said that wrong |
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| 04:27.01 | nvz | I meant you're-welcome |
| 04:27.22 | cobelloy | but are you mocking me now? |
| 04:27.38 | nvz | yeah I'm ignorant. |
| 04:27.52 | cobelloy | its so hard to hear the the tone of your voice all the way over here |
| 04:28.16 | nvz | you dont have to hear the tone of my voice all you have to know is I am an ig'nent yinzer |
| 04:28.18 | Ctuthuwin | thanks folks. |
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| 04:28.49 | unlink | is it bad karma to sync a local mirror against a secondary mirror? |
| 04:28.51 | nvz | I should add something about homosexuality in the yinzersmite |
| 04:29.02 | cobelloy | if you like |
| 04:29.26 | cobelloy | do people post their sources.list files in the debian forum, like they do in ubuntu? |
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| 04:30.38 | black_13 | where would i find informat about networking using dsl modem and a wireless router |
| 04:30.55 | nvz | what kind of information |
| 04:31.43 | black_13 | oh ... i have dsl modem that i need to hook to netgear wireless router access point |
| 04:31.52 | nvz | uh, huh.. |
| 04:31.59 | nvz | you are going to need a wire for that |
| 04:32.14 | black_13 | oh your that kind of person |
| 04:32.26 | nvz | no I just have no idea what you are talking about |
| 04:32.37 | smax | hi |
| 04:32.48 | nvz | smax: nope, just a little tired |
| 04:32.57 | black_13 | world --- dsl --- netgear --- all of my pcs |
| 04:33.30 | cobelloy | is there a repository for multimedia codecs? including windows codecs? |
| 04:33.55 | nvz | cobelloy: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 04:34.03 | nvz | cobelloy: /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 04:34.55 | lordnazgul | I am trying to install sarge, and everything goes fine till i get to installing grub. it hangs at 50%. Looking at the debug console the last line output is "probing devices to guess BIOS drives. this may take a long time." (yes I let it sit for a long time) i think the problem is my partitioning scheme. I have 4 drives in the computer. there are 3 software raid partitions on each drive for raid 5(3 active and 1 spare) the |
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| 04:36.09 | smax | whats an easy way to assign 0 to all elements in a list? for x in list list[list.index(x)] = 0 results in [0] |
| 04:36.24 | nvz | I scatter like a family of cockroaches when you mention raid :P |
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| 04:36.53 | smax | originally i need a list of 50 0's. but lst = [range(50)] isnt quite the best |
| 04:37.01 | lordnazgul | nvz i was afraid of that. nobody plays with the fun stuff, they are all scared |
| 04:37.09 | cobelloy | how do I know if I have sarge, or sid, or etch or whatever |
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| 04:37.12 | nvz | lordnazgul: I am just ignorant. |
| 04:37.24 | nvz | lordnazgul: there are lots of things I dont understand.. raid, jello, homos.. |
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| 04:37.53 | nvz | I could talk about my theories on any of them at great lengths.. but thats not really on topic here |
| 04:38.27 | cobelloy | surely one of you knows how to find out what version of debian I just installed? |
| 04:38.31 | phpnuborn | oh i haven't played with that yet.. how is it accessed? |
| 04:38.41 | phpnuborn | oops... wrong window.. |
| 04:38.45 | nvz | cobelloy: what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 04:38.47 | nevyn | cobelloy: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:39.01 | nvz | nevyn: thats virtually useless IMHO |
| 04:39.10 | smax | oh wrong channel |
| 04:39.31 | nvz | nevyn: only really applies to stable versions.. anything else just says testing/unstable as only stable versions have a version |
| 04:39.49 | cobelloy | nevyn: cobelloy: cat /etc/debian_version => 3.1 |
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| 04:40.07 | cobelloy | but the repositories talk about sid and sketch or something |
| 04:40.10 | nvz | cobelloy: 3.1 is Sarge the current stable version |
| 04:40.13 | lordnazgul | cobelloy sarge |
| 04:40.20 | cobelloy | sarge - OK, thanks |
| 04:40.21 | nvz | cobelloy: what does the command I gave you say? |
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| 04:41.20 | nvz | !info libc6 sarge |
| 04:41.24 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 (sarge), Packaged size: 4798 kB, Installed size: 15368 kB |
| 04:41.31 | cobelloy | nvz: cobelloy: what does the command I gave you say? => version 2.3.2.ds1-22sa |
| 04:41.31 | nvz | your libc6 version should match that if you truely have sarge |
| 04:41.37 | tapple | !firefox |
| 04:41.38 | dpkg | methinks firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 04:42.16 | cobelloy | !info libc6 sarge |
| 04:42.20 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 (sarge), Packaged size: 4798 kB, Installed size: 15368 kB |
| 04:42.20 | nvz | cobelloy: sounds about right.. might want to double check your sources list and make sure you dont have etch(testing) or sid(unstable) sources |
| 04:42.24 | cobelloy | whats that |
| 04:42.31 | nvz | cobelloy: whats what? |
| 04:42.34 | tapple | is firefox 2 availible for debian, or might I need to install it manually? |
| 04:42.35 | nvz | dpkg, what are you? |
| 04:42.35 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 04:42.56 | cobelloy | my sources.list has only three entries - and one is the cd which is commented out |
| 04:43.30 | nvz | cobelloy: the other two are sarge and the security updates? |
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| 04:44.24 | Bletch__ | g'day, anyone know offhand how big the i386 portion of the main repository is? |
| 04:44.36 | nvz | Bletch__: for sarge? |
| 04:44.47 | Guerin | Bletch__: troughly 9G per arch per branch |
| 04:44.48 | Bletch__ | nvz: for etch |
| 04:44.53 | nvz | dpkg, dstats etch |
| 04:44.55 | epsilon | tapple: ff2 is just released, it's still a loooong way until debian stable. if you want it know, compile on your own |
| 04:45.09 | nvz | Bletch__: comming right up.. :P |
| 04:45.13 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18289 packages, 1708 maintainers, 40533 MB installed size, 13262 MB compressed size. |
| 04:45.22 | Guerin | woo, it's grown some |
| 04:45.34 | Bletch__ | nvz: Brilliant, thanks |
| 04:45.43 | cobelloy | stable/main stable/updates/main |
| 04:45.49 | Bletch__ | nvz: which mirror would be the best to rsync from? |
| 04:46.01 | unlink | just 13gigs? hmm |
| 04:46.05 | epsilon | every maintainer supports more than 10 packages? |
| 04:46.09 | nvz | cobelloy: I dunno where you saw etch or sid, you are definatly using pure sarge |
| 04:46.38 | epsilon | Bletch__: read the mirroring howto (if you really need a mirror) |
| 04:46.44 | cobelloy | oh - I saw those names on the websites that I was directed to |
| 04:46.54 | nvz | Bletch__: any one that is local/fast apt-spy would find a good one.. and there are tools for creating a mirror aside from rsync :P |
| 04:46.56 | cobelloy | I need to know what I got to gewt the rioght repo's |
| 04:47.04 | Bletch__ | epsilon: OK, will do, but this isn't a normal mirror |
| 04:47.16 | Bletch__ | nvz: ok, cheers |
| 04:47.17 | black_13 | what does the line "nameserver 24.93.41.125" the resolv.conf file do? |
| 04:47.28 | epsilon | it's the dns server |
| 04:47.47 | psychonate | What's the least complicated way to append a newline to a file? |
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| 04:47.56 | nvz | epsilon: not really. some of them maintain more than that. some maintain one or two. |
| 04:48.20 | black_13 | i have a netgear router if it ask for the nameserver would this be adress? |
| 04:48.23 | Bletch__ | nvz: It's due to my truly shocking internet connection, and the number of etch machines I have here - it's actually easier to mirror, and then run scheduled updates, than it is to D/L them the normal way |
| 04:48.27 | epsilon | nvz: of course, I mean in averge |
| 04:48.33 | nvz | epsilon: for large projects like X.org or something there are tons of packages and usually a whole development team but generally just one maintainer that does the uploads |
| 04:48.44 | tapple | epsilon: I thought it would be in sid. I guess not |
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| 04:49.03 | nvz | epsilon: in most cases DDs will work closely with upstream developers and in other cases the DDs are the upstream developers |
| 04:49.20 | nvz | epsilon: like bzflag. Tim Riker is not only the maintainer but the developer as well |
| 04:49.22 | cobelloy | debian needs a "source-o-matic" like ubuntu has |
| 04:49.36 | Guerin | !advocacy troll |
| 04:49.37 | dpkg | it has been said that advocacy troll is a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
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| 04:50.17 | reebd | hahah... I'm trying to use SuSe Commercial. Apparently SuSe has NO online managment system that can resolve dependencies like apt. I have to shift trough 5 CD's. Oh, yea. The server is 10 miles away in a remote location. My God. SuSe sucks ass. |
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| 04:50.20 | nvz | Guerin: since greycat has me on perma-ignore its probably safe for him to come back now .. heh |
| 04:50.24 | reebd | oops, wrong chan. sorry. |
| 04:50.44 | Guerin | reebd: seems like the right channel to me |
| 04:50.48 | nvz | not that I was the reason he left but I am sure I didnt help any :P |
| 04:50.53 | reebd | Guerin: :-) |
| 04:50.54 | Guerin | we welcome people who hate luse |
| 04:51.21 | nvz | Bletch__: actually you may be surprised. |
| 04:51.31 | nvz | Bletch__: apt-cacher for example may be a much better solution for you |
| 04:51.32 | Bletch__ | Guerin: and don't even get me started on yum... useless slow piece of junk |
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| 04:51.34 | Bletch__ | nvz: oh? |
| 04:51.45 | cobelloy | right -- "Debian needs to have a graphical installer" |
| 04:51.55 | reebd | But what the hell where they thinking?! Dependency hell is so... 1999. |
| 04:51.59 | Rusty1 | psychonate: echo newlinetext>>filename , methinks |
| 04:52.11 | nvz | Bletch__: its easy to setup and you dont have to mirror.. what it does is when someone gets foo, it caches it, so the others can get it locally.. then you only mirror what you use, and if there is a newer version it updates automagically |
| 04:52.14 | Guerin | Bletch__: i remember, from those dark days before I used debian. |
| 04:52.33 | nvz | Bletch__: so effectivly after you install one machine you have all the packages you will actually use cached |
| 04:52.45 | Guerin | cobelloy: ironically, it now has one. But that's not to say it NEEDED one. |
| 04:52.47 | nvz | Bletch__: and you dont have to waste the space and time mirroring the whole thing |
| 04:53.00 | cobelloy | Guerin: it does? |
| 04:53.19 | Guerin | cobelloy: yeah, it's on etch beta. |
| 04:53.23 | Bletch__ | nvz: I'll look into that, it sounds good - but half the reason I was wanting to mirror is net traffic is shaped (very badly) during peak usage times |
| 04:53.27 | cobelloy | you mean the blue screen thing that asks the questions I dont understand, or is there something flashier? |
| 04:53.28 | nvz | Bletch__: it works transparently and is practically ready out of the box |
| 04:53.38 | psychonate | Rusty1, I mean, a blank line |
| 04:54.08 | Guerin | cobelloy: now there's a grey screen with questions you don't understand, and a mouse cursor and buttons to click. |
| 04:54.19 | cobelloy | oooh shiny |
| 04:54.22 | Guerin | cobelloy: law of WIDHE applies. |
| 04:54.26 | nvz | Bletch__: hmm well thats a valid point.. you may want something you could control the time it updates in that case |
| 04:54.58 | Bletch__ | nvz: That was why I was thinking an rsync mirror |
| 04:54.58 | cobelloy | i have no idea what WIDHE is - but I am guessing you prolly knew that |
| 04:54.58 | nvz | Bletch__: but still apt-cacher assures you that each package is only fetched once |
| 04:54.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:54.59 | Bletch__ | nvz: I have unlimited data, but shaped speed onpeak |
| 04:55.00 | Guerin | !widhe |
| 04:55.01 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 04:55.09 | Guerin | first law of computing |
| 04:55.21 | nvz | Bletch__: and saves you the time and space of downloading things you will never use |
| 04:55.25 | Bletch__ | nvz: With a local mirror, wouldn't it still only get each package once? |
| 04:55.33 | psychonate | echo >> file |
| 04:55.35 | Bletch__ | nvz: true, and that would be a big help |
| 04:55.37 | Guerin | Bletch__: every day |
| 04:55.45 | nvz | Bletch__: not to mention it updates packages automatically which is an issue in a non-frozen distro |
| 04:56.03 | Guerin | Bletch__: does your ISP not run a mirror? |
| 04:56.09 | Bletch__ | nvz: Even truer. I'll give it a shot and see how it goes |
| 04:56.12 | Bletch__ | nvz: no :( |
| 04:56.13 | nvz | Bletch__: yeah but you are getting ones you dont need, and then have to maintain it manually |
| 04:56.28 | Bletch__ | nvz: LOL I meant give apt-catcher a shot |
| 04:56.40 | Bletch__ | nvz: I'll leave the mirror as a last resort |
| 04:56.40 | Rusty1 | psychonate: try asking on #bashscripts |
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| 04:57.14 | cobelloy | yes WIDHE - thats exactly what I do |
| 04:57.32 | Bletch__ | nvz: New Zealand only has two mirrors, and peaktime speeds can often be as low as 96Kbits/sec |
| 04:57.46 | psychonate | Rusty1, #linuxhelp was sufficient |
| 04:57.47 | nvz | Bletch__: right.. well its easy to use.. you just on the clients side put http://apt-cacher-hostname/normal-apt-mirror-hostname/ etch main..etc and if the file doesnt exist on apt-cacher-hostname the apt-cacher host will fetch it from the apt-mirror-hostname |
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| 04:58.13 | nvz | Bletch__: and on the server side theres not much more to do than install it, and maybe configure the package storage location |
| 04:58.18 | Bletch__ | nvz: Brilliant, I'll stick it on the fileserver right now :D |
| 04:59.08 | nvz | Bletch__: you're not one of those guys from the Sam Adams commercials are you? |
| 04:59.21 | Bletch__ | nvz: Nope |
| 04:59.24 | nvz | heh |
| 04:59.47 | Bletch__ | nvz: Hell, I've never even seen a sam adams commercial |
| 04:59.58 | nvz | that is the commercial where they keep saying "Brilliant!" isnt it? |
| 05:00.13 | Bletch__ | nvz: I wouldn't know, I don't watch much TV |
| 05:00.21 | Bletch__ | nvz: better things to do w/ my time |
| 05:00.31 | nvz | me either.. but I always end up around someone who does |
| 05:00.41 | nvz | and as long as they arent at my house I dont mind too much |
| 05:00.45 | nvz | cause I can always leave |
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| 05:00.58 | nvz | I cant stand when people come to my house and turn the tv on |
| 05:01.13 | Bletch__ | nvz: Unfortunately for me, that happens a lot at my house |
| 05:01.25 | golly | hey all. Having samba trouble..... I have two debian and a few XP machines and can see all machines from my debian boxes. but I can't see ONE of my debian boxes (BoxA) from my WinXP machines. I know samba is working on BoxA since I can browse to it from Debian BoxB using SMB4k......what gives? |
| 05:01.27 | psychonate | nvz, do they ever turn it on from their own house? ;) |
| 05:01.30 | Bletch__ | nvz: ever since we got sky digital |
| 05:01.35 | nvz | psychonate: heh |
| 05:01.50 | psychonate | I would be impressed |
| 05:02.16 | nvz | so would I.. as you have to press 3 buttons to get my tv to turn on |
| 05:02.18 | phpnuborn | does debian install a firewall by default? (i'm using a VPS. debain was preloaded.) |
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| 05:03.02 | nvz | first you have to turn on the TV switch on the power box thingy that controls everything, then you have to turn on the set-top box, then the tv |
| 05:03.23 | nvz | if you can do that from outside my house.. I'd have to be impressed or scared.. not sure which |
| 05:03.44 | vulture | phpnuborn: the base debian system does not have any customization of iptables, no.. |
| 05:04.01 | nvz | I got one of those old thingies they used to sell for computers that has buttons for the Master power, monitor, printer, speakers..etc fitted into my entertainment stand |
| 05:04.19 | nvz | called the Kensington Masterpiece Plus :P |
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| 05:05.26 | psychonate | nvz, ah, yes, I know what you mean |
| 05:05.31 | psychonate | that would be quite a challenge |
| 05:06.13 | nvz | http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004Z7RG.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg |
| 05:06.45 | nvz | that one looks to have several lights on it where mine just has the low-voltage indicator |
| 05:07.05 | psychonate | fancy, no doubt |
| 05:07.07 | Guerin | mm, warm beer |
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| 05:07.32 | nvz | I am sometimes amazed by the fact I can go out and find the oldest strangest shit, and still find a picture of it on images.google.com |
| 05:07.42 | psychonate | haha |
| 05:07.54 | psychonate | nvz, Google is the supreme being of the universe though |
| 05:07.56 | nvz | this means that not only did someone go out and find the same thing.. but they took a picture of it... AND put it on the internet |
| 05:08.35 | nvz | psychonate: man a few years ago when they did that april fools joke about the googlunaplex.. it took me like 3 weeks before I realized they were joking |
| 05:08.47 | nvz | I believed they could actually do it |
| 05:08.58 | psychonate | nvz, not familiar with it. Allow me to... google it |
| 05:10.07 | psychonate | "Applying a Patel extrapolation to Rosing linear projections, Page and Brin predicted that every man, woman and child on earth would be conducting at least seven searches a day by the year 2018." |
| 05:10.15 | psychonate | certainly enough jargon in their |
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| 05:10.55 | psychonate | "The Googlunaplex will house 35 engineers, 27,000 low cost web servers, 2 massage therapists and a sushi chef formerly employed by the pop group Hanson." |
| 05:10.56 | psychonate | haha |
| 05:11.13 | nvz | http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html |
| 05:11.39 | nvz | yeah they had me going |
| 05:11.49 | nvz | I have that much faith in google |
| 05:11.55 | nvz | I believed they'd actually do it |
| 05:12.11 | Bletch__ | nvz: It's only a matter of time, although how much time's anyone's guess |
| 05:13.14 | Bletch__ | nvz: which port should I be running apt-cacher on? |
| 05:13.19 | nvz | I think that was their april fools joke for 2004 |
| 05:13.20 | Bletch__ | nvz: it's not liking the default |
| 05:13.27 | psychonate | I really think that Google should buy out every government on earth and consolidate them into an international institution of efficiency the liked of which the universe has never known. |
| 05:13.36 | psychonate | s/liked/likes |
| 05:13.40 | nvz | I thought they were gonna do it then.. and whenever it was it was before they went IPO |
| 05:14.16 | Guerin | psychonate: they call it the UN |
| 05:14.20 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 05:14.20 | nvz | Bletch__: I dunno I thought it just ran on top of your web server which is generally port 80 |
| 05:14.21 | psychonate | :( |
| 05:14.37 | psychonate | Guerin, the UN is an abomination to the very shadow of Google ;) |
| 05:14.42 | Guerin | Bletch__: rtfm |
| 05:14.49 | Bletch__ | nvz: I think it does, but it has another port specified in the config file |
| 05:14.55 | Guerin | then it doesn't |
| 05:15.03 | Bletch__ | Guerin: am in the process of doing so |
| 05:15.14 | Guerin | Bletch__: less typing, more reading |
| 05:15.32 | Bletch__ | Guerin: fair point |
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| 05:16.04 | nvz | Guerin: shh.. I might be able to get him to call me brilliant one more time before he actually gets to know me :P |
| 05:16.24 | Guerin | nvz: everyone needs a dream. |
| 05:16.29 | nvz | heh |
| 05:16.59 | Guerin | i find none to my liking so I'll just wing it |
| 05:17.00 | buu | Guerin: Hrm. How do I specify all 192.168.1.X traffic should go out eth1? |
| 05:17.18 | Guerin | buu: route, or iptables |
| 05:17.42 | buu | Guerin: I tried: route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth1 |
| 05:17.48 | nvz | Guerin: I have a cousin who married a japanese guy and moved to japan. they came over here to get married and at their wedding one of his family members asked my grandmother for her recipie for mashed potato :P |
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| 05:18.01 | buu | Guerin: And it shows up in route list as 'localnet' * |
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| 05:18.13 | nvz | thats funny I dont care who you are :P |
| 05:18.14 | Guerin | nvz: purely courtesy, since all asians hate potato |
| 05:18.32 | Guerin | buu: my route-fu is weak. |
| 05:18.39 | nvz | Guerin: I guess.. I thought it was funny as hell |
| 05:18.39 | Guerin | buu: suggest you read lartc.org |
| 05:18.54 | nvz | like you take a potato, and you smash it.. |
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| 05:19.43 | nvz | I like chili's smashed potatos.. I call em smashed potato because they dont skin it before they cook it, and it looks like they literally took a potato and smashed it with a sledge hammer |
| 05:20.04 | nvz | pretty good if you leave the skins on |
| 05:20.57 | nvz | I think the chicken fried steak and smashed potato is the only thing I like at chilis |
| 05:22.10 | Guerin | chicken-fried steak |
| 05:22.17 | nvz | yeah |
| 05:22.21 | Guerin | can't believe a whole country likes that shit |
| 05:22.30 | nvz | I always wondered why that never made sense to me |
| 05:22.40 | nvz | I guess I hadn't considered the hyphen |
| 05:23.46 | buu | aaaaaaaaaadsfdsasasaa |
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| 05:24.31 | nvz | thats why you dont let cats in the computer room |
| 05:24.43 | nvz | next thing you know they are stuck in the printer |
| 05:24.44 | buu | Htrm. |
| 05:25.44 | nvz | and that sounds worse than a wide dot matrix line feed printer |
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| 05:26.54 | unlink | grr, google has been down for half an hour for me |
| 05:27.36 | unlink | oh, it's just firefox |
| 05:27.42 | buu | Bah. Anyone have any idea which route magic I need to ping a 192.168.1.x machine? |
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| 05:28.31 | unlink | but purging all private data doesn't work |
| 05:30.06 | nvz | I used to have one of those.. had the big rolls of two-tone paper.. I think it was this one http://pictures.kyozou.com/pictures/_2/1555/1554934.jpg |
| 05:30.31 | odla | nvz: that's a nice looking printer |
| 05:31.08 | nvz | yeah it was an epson, just not sure which model.. looked something like that LQ1070+ there |
| 05:31.08 | unlink | oh, it's personalized home |
| 05:31.31 | nvz | noisy as hell.. but it was pretty cool for printing out lots of data.. phone lists or whatever |
| 05:32.20 | nvz | http://pictures.kyozou.com/pictures/_2/1555/1554933.jpg front view |
| 05:32.44 | nvz | the damn thing is probably still in the basement at my parents house |
| 05:33.03 | odla | ha ha |
| 05:33.07 | odla | linux driver? |
| 05:33.17 | nvz | considering what I would use a printer for I should probably go fetch it |
| 05:33.27 | nvz | that wide paper would be decent for guitar tab or something |
| 05:33.33 | dondelelcaro | odla: doesn't need one |
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| 05:33.39 | odla | dondelelcaro: really? |
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| 05:33.47 | nvz | its a line feed |
| 05:33.49 | dondelelcaro | odla: you just send data down the parallel port, the printer prints it. |
| 05:34.00 | dondelelcaro | about as basic as you can get |
| 05:34.04 | nvz | heh |
| 05:34.12 | nvz | yeah those were the good ol days |
| 05:34.15 | odla | wow |
| 05:34.17 | nvz | no need for postscript |
| 05:34.24 | odla | now of this stupid 10 in 1 stuff |
| 05:34.34 | dondelelcaro | most good printers still support that mode... but it's getting rarer. |
| 05:34.52 | buu | dondelelcaro: Help! |
| 05:34.57 | dondelelcaro | buu: ? |
| 05:34.58 | odla | dondelelcaro: do you maintain the R packages? |
| 05:35.09 | buu | dondelelcaro: I've got two computers plugged directly into each other. One is 192.168.1.1 and the other is 192.168.1.100 |
| 05:35.13 | nvz | I dont recall there being that many damn buttons on the one I had.. and considering how simple that device was I cant imagine what they are all for |
| 05:35.20 | buu | dondelelcaro: And I can't ping from one to another =/ |
| 05:35.31 | dondelelcaro | odla: no... Dirk Eddelbutel does, iirc. |
| 05:35.42 | odla | ok |
| 05:35.46 | nvz | but then again you had to set everything on the printer back then.. the driver didnt control everything |
| 05:36.01 | buu | dondelelcaro: I'm wondering if it's a routing issue |
| 05:36.07 | buu | Because I have two eth devices on this box, one to the internet |
| 05:36.12 | dondelelcaro | buu: can you give me the ifconfig and route -n; output on each machine? |
| 05:36.17 | dondelelcaro | buu: yeah; most likely. |
| 05:36.49 | buu | dondelelcaro: I think so.. |
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| 05:38.25 | nvz | I can still remember retiring that old printer for the first of the Epson Sylus Color series.. I cant remember how much that thing cost, but it was fucking expensive.. |
| 05:38.37 | buu | dondelelcaro: Ok first of all, how do I get CPAN.pm on here? |
| 05:38.48 | nvz | I think it was just called the Epson Sylus Color. then the had a whole line that came out after it |
| 05:39.12 | dondelelcaro | buu: it's in perl-modules |
| 05:40.43 | unlink | what are -nox packages? |
| 05:40.46 | unlink | oh |
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| 05:41.19 | nvz | http://img.2dehands.nl/f/normal/8930827.jpg If i'm not mistake thats her right there. who knew back then this $800 printer or whatever the origional rediculous pricetag was would be the first of a LONG line of printers |
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| 05:42.07 | buu | dondelelcaro: How logical. |
| 05:42.16 | nvz | getting that thing was like getting a 286 with a 10mb hard drive for the first time, and sitting there wondering how we'd ever fill up 10mb |
| 05:42.22 | buu | But basically, my route -n shows |
| 05:42.57 | buu | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 05:43.30 | dondelelcaro | buu: and there are no other 192.168.1.0 entries (or other entries which would include that subnet?) |
| 05:43.42 | nvz | technology is funny like that moves so fast you dont have to be that old to get that nostalgic feeling |
| 05:43.47 | buu | There's a 76.x.x.x. and a 0.0.0.0 |
| 05:43.52 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 05:44.11 | dondelelcaro | buu: yeah; that's fine; that's just the default route and the other. |
| 05:44.24 | dondelelcaro | buu: and if you ping -b 192.168.1.255; you get your machine responding, right? |
| 05:45.13 | buu | Um. No. |
| 05:45.23 | dondelelcaro | buu: does anything respond? |
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| 05:45.38 | buu | dondelelcaro: Nope. |
| 05:45.40 | buu | Just sits there. |
| 05:46.21 | dondelelcaro | buu: it tries pinging, right? [try ping -nb 192.168.1.255] |
| 05:46.42 | dondelelcaro | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_*; may also be useful... |
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| 05:48.16 | buu | dondelelcaro:Heh, broadcasts is set to 1 |
| 05:48.39 | buu | Now I get myself replying |
| 05:48.51 | dondelelcaro | ok |
| 05:49.10 | dondelelcaro | buu: if you ping -nbf 192.168.1.255; does the interface go crazy? |
| 05:49.44 | buu | dondelelcaro: 30000 packets transmitted, 30000 packets received |
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| 05:50.05 | dondelelcaro | buu: but you see the traffic light on the physical interface flash, right? |
| 05:50.16 | buu | Um |
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| 05:50.26 | buu | dondelelcaro: sial.org/pbot/20777 |
| 05:50.28 | buu | My route =] |
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| 05:50.52 | buu | And no, it doesn't flash, it just stays a constant yellow (on the box) |
| 05:50.57 | dondelelcaro | buu: yeah, that looks good to me... |
| 05:51.09 | dondelelcaro | buu: hrm... the responses are from 192.168.1.<ip>; right? |
| 05:51.52 | buu | dondelelcaro: Yep. |
| 05:52.01 | dondelelcaro | buu: anyway, based on what you've said so far, I'd guess that the problem is on the other machine |
| 05:52.06 | dondelelcaro | buu: or the wire |
| 05:52.14 | buu | dondelelcaro: Well, we've tried different wires |
| 05:52.26 | dondelelcaro | since you've got the right route on that machine, and it's able to ping itself at least. |
| 05:52.55 | buu | dondelelcaro: Well, it's happening with at least two different machines, a windows box and a linux box. |
| 05:53.06 | buu | I'm fairly certain at least one should work =] |
| 05:56.17 | dondelelcaro | buu: well, it wouldn't be the first time that I've seen bad nics or bad wiring |
| 05:56.46 | dondelelcaro | anyway, that's what I'd bet on... the configuration you've showed is right. |
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| 05:58.22 | Firefishe | in a nutshell (if possible ;}), how do I get a later kernel release, like 2.6.18, for debian? |
| 06:00.17 | RichiH | Firefishe: what are you using? |
| 06:00.21 | RichiH | stable, testing, unstable? |
| 06:00.29 | Firefishe | testing |
| 06:00.44 | Firefishe | I'm involved in a reinstall, so there isn't too much there yet. |
| 06:00.45 | RichiH | grab the packages from unstable and install them if you are so inclined |
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| 06:01.14 | RichiH | i have been runing .18 for the last month or so without problems |
| 06:01.27 | RichiH | (this being a full unstable install) |
| 06:01.32 | Firefishe | I'm kind of new to this. Should I just grab the packages I need individually, or add a new unstable entry to my sources.list? |
| 06:01.35 | unlink | how do i set up my xorg.conf so that i can easily switch between various screen configurations (e.g. at home with my 17" lcd, or just the laptop display, or with the plasma screen at the library, etc) |
| 06:01.41 | RichiH | Firefishe: either works |
| 06:01.49 | RichiH | also, there is pinning |
| 06:01.54 | RichiH | !pinning |
| 06:01.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
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| 06:02.46 | RichiH | Firefishe: if you just add unstable sources, be certtain to remove them afterwards and run apt-get update again! |
| 06:02.55 | RichiH | else, you will install an unstable system |
| 06:03.31 | Firefishe | I see |
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| 06:03.35 | Firefishe | good to know that |
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| 06:05.01 | Firefishe | RichiH: Since you're doing it, I should ask...What does an actual kernel file and accompanying source file (.deb) look like? Can you type it out for me if you rmbr? |
| 06:05.23 | Firefishe | I mean, testing has a lot of stuff for the debian-installer, but I figure that's not really what I want, is it? |
| 06:05.45 | dondelelcaro | Firefishe: it's just linux-image-*.deb; dpkg -L to see it. |
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| 06:06.05 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 06:06.11 | jeffrin | happy hacking |
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| 06:07.10 | Firefishe | dondelelcaro: hey, I've received help from you before, too! Thanks. :-) |
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| 06:07.16 | Firefishe | just what I needed. |
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| 06:08.19 | jair | dhey guys, if I have a network, with linux, aix, solaris, windows, i5 os, and I want to avoid be doing files transfer using external USB drives etc... but also be able of install all of this OSes from the network instead using the cds, what will be the best way to go? |
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| 06:08.42 | blazemonger | what version of gnome is in debian sid |
| 06:08.53 | craigevil | 2.14 |
| 06:09.00 | buu | dondelelcaro: I return with more interestingness. |
| 06:09.01 | craigevil | with 2.16 slowly slipping in |
| 06:09.08 | buu | dondelelcaro: The network port isn't working =] |
| 06:09.33 | blazemonger | will etch get 2.16 |
| 06:09.33 | buu | dondelelcaro: I'm wondering if that's a drive issue though |
| 06:09.38 | jair | if I install NFS I will be able to do installation from it right? of mostly all of this OSes? |
| 06:09.52 | Firefishe | Let's say I add a new line to my sources.list for the unstable branch, select the new kernel--linux-image-2.6.18.deb(or something like that). Will it want any new dependencies and mess up my testing distro? |
| 06:10.17 | blazemonger | i'm using ubuntu i like it but there seems to be something just..missing |
| 06:10.33 | blazemonger | i'm trying to find a distro that will install all of the development requirements |
| 06:10.49 | nvz | blazemonger: in debian you would apt-get install build-essential |
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| 06:10.57 | craigevil | dev requirements for what? |
| 06:11.02 | Firefishe | blazemonger: just have a need for ./configure && make && make install, eh? ;) |
| 06:11.32 | blazemonger | well i have trouble compiling stuff |
| 06:11.35 | buu | dondelelcaro: Look at sial.org/pbot/20778 |
| 06:11.42 | sanmarcos | donde esta el caro? |
| 06:11.48 | nvz | sanmarcos: nope |
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| 06:11.49 | blazemonger | that's the hardest part ahnd i dont'know enough c/c++ to fix bugs |
| 06:11.57 | nvz | sanmarcos: don delphi oracle |
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| 06:12.31 | sanmarcos | his nick is so catchy |
| 06:12.31 | nvz | sanmarcos: I thought it was spanish or perhaps portuguese too |
| 06:12.46 | nvz | sanmarcos: he's a cleaver bastard.. dropped a VAX on my head when I wasnt looking |
| 06:12.58 | sanmarcos | homicidal instincts |
| 06:13.38 | nvz | you'd think those things would make some kind of noise as they are falling like an anvil does in the cartoons |
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| 06:14.01 | buu | Ok, my mobo has two ethernet ports. One works fine. They both got detected.. |
| 06:14.18 | Dewi | what is normally the RAM page size in linux? |
| 06:14.27 | Dewi | anyone know, off hand? |
| 06:14.32 | sanmarcos | #kernel |
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| 06:14.56 | Firefishe | Portuguese: *American urban slang* n. A descriptive used to connote the presence of wild and domestic waterfowl on the front part of a house. |
| 06:15.42 | nvz | sanmarcos: I thought it meant "don of the expensive" |
| 06:16.04 | sanmarcos | right, I am sure he has some tight hardware |
| 06:16.13 | buu | Son of a bithc |
| 06:16.17 | buu | The second port was eth2 |
| 06:16.19 | buu | How logical. |
| 06:16.22 | sanmarcos | HAHA |
| 06:16.31 | sanmarcos | we need more people like you buu |
| 06:16.39 | sanmarcos | who are not afraid to use the full range of their vocabulary |
| 06:17.20 | Firefishe | RichiH: If I add line from unstable to my sources.list, then apt-get whatever kernel I need, will the dependencies do anything *bad* to my testing distro I currently have? |
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| 06:19.00 | Tallu | Firefishe: I have to say I'm not sure, but I'd rather compile my own kernel than risk messing up dependencies. Then again, that's just me |
| 06:19.01 | nvz | sanmarcos: I guess the "delel" should have been a clue it wasnt spanish because "del" means "of the" and "del el" would be redundant |
| 06:19.11 | sanmarcos | nvz: indeed, pass the crack |
| 06:19.15 | nvz | heh |
| 06:19.41 | Firefishe | Tallu: Well... ;) hee ... I suppose. But compiling an individual kernel for a debian system just, to me, doesn't make sense. |
| 06:19.49 | RichiH | Firefishe: i think it unlikely, but you will not get a promise from anyone |
| 06:20.05 | buu | Ok, now, what magic do I need to do portforwarding/masquerading? |
| 06:20.06 | Firefishe | RichiH: Oh, I know. Your word that it was working fine is enough for me to *try* :) |
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| 06:20.15 | RichiH | Firefishe: you want to use unstable packages, are aware they come from unstable and thus may be.. unstable :p |
| 06:20.31 | RichiH | but yah, i think you should be fine |
| 06:20.55 | buu | I'm trying: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE -o eth2 (eth2 is the network the packet originates on) |
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| 06:21.08 | craigevil | why does everyone say Sid is so bad? it tends to break less than Etch, definitely less then *buntu |
| 06:21.19 | insmod | Dewi: loaded question ever wm and desktop is diff |
| 06:21.46 | Firefishe | craigevil: Are you using the current Sid (current, of course, is relative here)? |
| 06:22.03 | craigevil | yes with daily d-u |
| 06:22.15 | blazemonger | i tried installling etch but it asked me about some dictionary stuff |
| 06:22.21 | blazemonger | do i just do the defaults? |
| 06:22.22 | craigevil | Qt: 3.3.7 |
| 06:22.22 | craigevil | KDE: 3.5.5 |
| 06:22.22 | craigevil | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 06:22.23 | Dewi | insmod: ? not for kernel RAM issues, surely |
| 06:22.44 | RichiH | craigevil: yah, i tend to agree that our unstable is better than most other people's stable |
| 06:22.45 | Dewi | craigevil: why do you think sid breaks less than testing? |
| 06:22.53 | Dewi | craigevil: I mean... why would it? |
| 06:22.55 | Firefishe | craigevil: what is that? debian-upgrade? |
| 06:22.57 | insmod | Dewi: sure what you load in them |
| 06:23.04 | RichiH | !upgrade |
| 06:23.04 | dpkg | well, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 06:23.11 | craigevil | ive ran it for a little over 2 yrs with it breaking only a couple of times |
| 06:23.24 | craigevil | dist-upgrade |
| 06:23.26 | Dewi | insmod: I'm asking the page size. The number of bytes that will be swapped in and out of RAM. It's a constant. |
| 06:23.40 | Dewi | insmod: the atomic unit of RAM, I mean |
| 06:23.58 | craigevil | apt-listbugs has saved me from updating something like apt or udev that might break things |
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| 06:24.29 | Firefishe | I'll field this question as I'm a r00ted newbie, ripe for the picking... I currently have testing, but what if I did this: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade...what'd happen? |
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| 06:25.37 | insmod | Dewi: know idea but i have loaded minimal kernels on ipod and floppies so not much -- as i said i think i depends |
| 06:25.42 | insmod | it |
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| 06:26.37 | RichiH | Firefishe: you need only upgrade or dist-upgrade |
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| 06:26.49 | RichiH | it will take all you packages and get the newest versions |
| 06:27.07 | RichiH | where upgrade will not upgrade some core packages, while dist-upgrade will |
| 06:27.22 | Firefishe | okay, so it mainly affects the core stuff? |
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| 06:27.40 | Firefishe | I see |
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| 06:28.33 | Firefishe | craigevil: so you're apt to stick with one version of apt and one version of udev (for the newer kernel images x.x.16-18 etc.) when using stable? |
| 06:28.38 | Firefishe | not stable...unstable |
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| 06:29.01 | RichiH | Firefishe: no, it will upgrade the whole system |
| 06:29.10 | RichiH | the one just more than the other |
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| 06:29.25 | Firefishe | Rich...so, which one is better? |
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| 06:29.39 | RichiH | Firefishe: what he means is apt-listbugs, which will tell you about any bugs packages might have BEFORE you install them |
| 06:29.39 | Firefishe | would using one or the other break anything? |
| 06:29.40 | buu | I win! |
| 06:30.02 | Tallu | Using either with sid could break anything ;) |
| 06:30.05 | RichiH | Firefishe: dist-upgrade is more likely to break stuff, but you need to do it from time to time, anyway |
| 06:30.18 | RichiH | people who use unstable tend to dist-upgrade, only |
| 06:30.27 | RichiH | i mean, we can cope with the risk we take ;) |
| 06:30.33 | Firefishe | yes..of courwse |
| 06:30.35 | Firefishe | course |
| 06:30.37 | RichiH | and we all use apt-listnugs! |
| 06:30.55 | craigevil | apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges :) |
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| 06:31.09 | RichiH | never warmed to apt-litchanges myself |
| 06:31.26 | Firefishe | nugs: *debian gnu/linux slang* n. (contraction of notable and bugs) notable bugs |
| 06:31.27 | craigevil | it can be a little annoying sometimes |
| 06:31.28 | RichiH | the vim-vimspell packages from experimental are nice, btw |
| 06:31.35 | blazemonger | i'm going to give debian etch a shot |
| 06:31.46 | RichiH | it's so cool to have spelling correction in my emails :) |
| 06:31.59 | Firefishe | what mailer does it work with? |
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| 06:32.16 | RichiH | pretty much all that support external editors |
| 06:32.18 | Firefishe | etch...that's the current testing release, correct? |
| 06:32.23 | RichiH | in my cse pine though i may go to mutt soon |
| 06:32.24 | Illiyah | yes |
| 06:32.51 | Firefishe | RichiH: is vim-vimspell designed to work with something like postfix or something, sort of like a server? |
| 06:33.21 | RichiH | no, vim is an editor |
| 06:33.27 | Firefishe | oh...doh |
| 06:33.32 | RichiH | and it supports spelling correction |
| 06:33.38 | Firefishe | too bad there isn't one for nano ;) |
| 06:33.39 | RichiH | which is niiiiice |
| 06:33.46 | RichiH | you should use vim |
| 06:33.53 | RichiH | it will be very cumbersome at first |
| 06:34.12 | RichiH | but after a few months of using it (and building a good .vimrc), you will love it |
| 06:34.20 | RichiH | and it saves lots of work |
| 06:34.33 | RichiH | time which can then be wasted on itrc :) |
| 06:34.48 | Firefishe | didn't get that code |
| 06:34.57 | Firefishe | it<square box>rc |
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| 06:35.11 | Tallu | irc |
| 06:35.13 | Firefishe | what irc client you using? |
| 06:35.17 | RichiH | irssi |
| 06:35.31 | Firefishe | comand line...should've guessed ;) |
| 06:35.39 | Bletch__ | I also got the square box - GAIM |
| 06:35.41 | Firefishe | I tried scrollz the other day...not too bad |
| 06:35.46 | RichiH | i said 'and building a good .vimrc' |
| 06:35.54 | pelzi_ | non-command line irc clients are a pain |
| 06:36.00 | RichiH | pelzi_: agreed |
| 06:36.02 | pelzi_ | how do you run them in screen... |
| 06:36.10 | RichiH | indeed |
| 06:36.10 | Tallu | pelzi_: yeah, I agree |
| 06:36.11 | Bletch__ | pelze: lol good point |
| 06:36.40 | Firefishe | what I'd like to see is an nucurses client built with mouse support, with a more regular screen, with the nicks list on the right, etc. |
| 06:36.47 | RichiH | Firefishe: when we are done with you, all people you know will think you are crzay for only having this white on black stuff |
| 06:36.56 | Firefishe | heeee |
| 06:37.06 | Firefishe | I was weaned on BitchX |
| 06:37.08 | RichiH | apt-get install gpm and you have mouse on the console |
| 06:37.15 | Firefishe | gpm! that's right |
| 06:37.19 | RichiH | comes in handy to c&p some stuff every once in a while |
| 06:37.35 | Firefishe | is there an irc client with scrollbars and such based on ncurses? |
| 06:37.49 | RichiH | don't think so |
| 06:37.59 | Firefishe | Hmmm...guess *someone* has to write one. |
| 06:38.04 | RichiH | and if your buffer is small enough for scrollbars to make sense, you need to rethink ;) |
| 06:38.05 | Firefishe | Might be an interesting project. |
| 06:38.38 | Firefishe | well, some of us need that buffer ;) |
| 06:38.55 | Firefishe | but I get your point..nice and tidy and small on resources |
| 06:39.11 | RichiH | hmm, nah, nt too much ram used up |
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| 06:39.31 | RichiH | ~60 channels, 5000 lines each, 500 chars max per line |
| 06:39.54 | Firefishe | hmmm...do you mean that that is what irssi has? |
| 06:40.16 | RichiH | hmm, that might actually go up to 150.000.000 bytes.. :p |
| 06:40.25 | RichiH | irssi defaults to 1000 lines, i think |
| 06:40.40 | RichiH | i need more, though |
| 06:40.49 | RichiH | but then, i am not the average case |
| 06:40.51 | Firefishe | I could just build an ncurses 'gui' around irssi or B-X, I suppose. |
| 06:40.58 | RichiH | i mostly keep them to /lastlog in case of troubles |
| 06:41.16 | Firefishe | do any of the command-line irc clients support logging? |
| 06:41.17 | RichiH | Firefishe: get involved with irssi2 if you really menan it |
| 06:41.24 | RichiH | heh |
| 06:41.28 | Firefishe | irssi2...I'll look it up. |
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| 06:41.53 | stew | scrollback_lines = 500 |
| 06:41.58 | stew | seems to be the default |
| 06:42.11 | RichiH | they all support logging, yah |
| 06:42.16 | RichiH | Firefishe: just join #irssi2 ;) |
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| 06:46.40 | Firefishe | RichiH: I just looked at the irssi2 and Icecap pages...very interesting. |
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| 06:49.41 | nvz | Firefishe: heh |
| 06:49.57 | Firefishe | net split? |
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| 06:55.16 | simonrvn | dunno, doesn't look like a split to me. isee 715 here |
| 06:56.54 | nvz | we are the few left.. the rest got ate by the langoliers |
| 06:57.03 | nvz | went silent on oftc too |
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| 06:57.30 | simonrvn | *shrug*. often does lately |
| 06:57.44 | nvz | of course that seems to be a common reaction when nvz opens his mouth around here |
| 06:57.45 | simonrvn | both places. though i haven't been on oftc lately. |
| 06:57.51 | simonrvn | naw |
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| 06:58.19 | simonrvn | people do that to me ;) |
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| 06:59.36 | nvz | I think the problem is I feel like I can talk about anything.. and often I do it with a great deal of ignorance or sarcasm which may or may not make it across the IRC protocol.. and people on here are just too serious :P |
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| 07:02.06 | nvz | simonrvn: I was making a joke about how the openbsd-inetd providing, replacing, and conflicting with netkit-inetd which replaces netbase which openbsd-inetd and pretty much every network service depends on is weirder than my perverted 5th grade science teacher and everyone shuts up |
| 07:02.27 | simonrvn | nvz: i know what you mean. i make a joke or something and often don't get a "hehe" or something. maybe i'm not funny, hehehe |
| 07:02.39 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 07:03.01 | nvz | simonrvn: I got a laugh, I guess I just didnt quit while I was ahead |
| 07:03.02 | Tallu | simonrvn: hehe ;) |
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| 07:03.21 | simonrvn | nvz: hehe |
| 07:03.31 | simonrvn | Tallu: bah, you're just saying that :P |
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| 07:04.16 | nvz | that whole inetd/netbase thing does baffle the shit out of me though |
| 07:04.43 | beardy | !pal simonrvn |
| 07:04.47 | simonrvn | they moved from netkit to openbsd inetd. what's confusing? |
| 07:04.52 | simonrvn | yay! |
| 07:05.36 | nvz | the whole circle.. how can openbsd-inetd provide something it conflicts with, which conflicts with something it depends on.. |
| 07:05.50 | nvz | heh its silly sounding just saying it |
| 07:06.03 | simonrvn | because the latter came after. once the package in question moved away |
| 07:06.23 | simonrvn | but i think they changed that a bit again |
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| 07:07.36 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah well.. you are reaching the realm of things nvz wont ever understand you might as well turn back now before you end up wearing womens pants, becomming a jello eating homo |
| 07:08.39 | simonrvn | oh yeh, Conflicts/Replaces: netkit-inetd. that's common when you want to remove it. also the Provides: aloows for a smooth upgrade, so that packages that do dep on it don't get fucked |
| 07:08.50 | simonrvn | allows* |
| 07:09.21 | nvz | but it also says it PROVIDES netkit-inetd which CONFLICTS with netbase which openbsd-inetd DEPENDS on |
| 07:09.51 | nvz | I swear its just like jello, homos.. and everything else I dont understand |
| 07:09.54 | simonrvn | update your apt ;) |
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| 07:10.26 | nvz | simonrvn: I didnt even encounter the problem someone else did.. and I suggested updating apt before I proceeded |
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| 07:12.17 | simonrvn | *shrug*. i don't see anything bad coming out of a provides/replaces/conflicts thing like that |
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| 07:13.18 | simonrvn | jello is gelatin + sugar plus colouring plus artifical flavouring. |
| 07:13.42 | nvz | uh huh |
| 07:13.54 | nvz | it defies logic |
| 07:14.02 | simonrvn | not really |
| 07:14.18 | simonrvn | bit of chemistry + physics at play |
| 07:14.34 | nvz | o.O |
| 07:15.07 | nvz | toresbe tried to educate me on the biology of homos today.. it didnt work either |
| 07:15.22 | nvz | what makes you think you can educate me on the chemistry and physics of jello :P |
| 07:15.40 | nvz | or tell me wtf mens pant sizes are in inches and womens.. wtf |
| 07:15.56 | nvz | I could make a long long long list of things I just cant understand |
| 07:16.09 | nvz | and probably make a lot of money turning it into a comedy routine |
| 07:16.17 | simonrvn | for sure :) |
| 07:16.29 | simonrvn | i'd say you could pull it off. |
| 07:16.51 | nvz | yeah might have to pencil myself in at the funny bone when I go back to Pittsburgh |
| 07:17.02 | simonrvn | :) |
| 07:17.08 | nvz | I only been there once.. those people sucked |
| 07:17.09 | simonrvn | oh? where you at now? |
| 07:17.15 | nvz | Star City |
| 07:17.20 | simonrvn | ah |
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| 07:18.06 | nvz | I am heading back to da burgh this weekend to do some canvassing for the upcoming election |
| 07:18.42 | nvz | thats a fancy word I learned for being a political solicitor or royal pain in the ass |
| 07:19.39 | nvz | ordinarily I wouldnt do this sort of thing.. like I refused many times to do telemarketing.. cause the shit annoys me.. I cant do it to other people |
| 07:19.47 | nvz | but I am making an exception in this case |
| 07:20.08 | nvz | doesnt involve a telephone |
| 07:20.34 | nvz | and pays more than $10/hr |
| 07:20.36 | nvz | heh |
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| 07:22.38 | sparr | What major commercial game titles are coming out for linux in the 'near' future, other than ET:QW and Savage2? |
| 07:23.26 | nvz | whats that got to do with the rising price, and decreasing size of energy drinks? |
| 07:23.39 | sparr | oh, and UT2007 |
| 07:24.01 | nvz | if anyone's gonna ask stupid questions around here it might as well be someone good at acting stupid... like me |
| 07:24.18 | beardy | sparr: This is not the best place to ask. Try ##linux. |
| 07:24.43 | PumpkinPie | whats wrong with a energy pill? |
| 07:24.46 | nvz | I've never heard of the ones you mentioned what makes you think I know of any others :P |
| 07:24.57 | sparr | nvz: never heard of UT? weirdo :-p |
| 07:25.03 | PumpkinPie | why waste an entire bottle of liquid when a pill can work better |
| 07:25.18 | nvz | sparr: games these days move faster than I can |
| 07:25.26 | simonrvn | nvz: oh cool |
| 07:26.31 | karsten | What, if any, commandline editing / history features does csh have? |
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| 07:26.44 | Guerin | unreal tournament is about eight years old |
| 07:26.49 | pc22 | anyone using ies4linux now? |
| 07:27.06 | sparr | Guerin: yes, but UT2004 is about 3 years old, and UT2007 is -X months old :) |
| 07:27.06 | Guerin | !anyone use ies4linux now? |
| 07:27.07 | dpkg | No, no one uses ies4linux now, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:27.10 | nvz | bah now everyone starts talking |
| 07:27.50 | k31th | guys, if I want a newer version of mysql whats my options ? |
| 07:28.20 | streuner | k31th: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:28.23 | nvz | I probably should go take some classes on public speaking and performing arts and whatnot and become a comedian.. I was just thinking about what I can do for a good change.. |
| 07:28.30 | Guerin | k31th: backports.org, dotdeb.org, etch or simple sid backport |
| 07:28.50 | nvz | doesnt have to make a living, just has to bring chaos to my life |
| 07:28.55 | streuner | k31th: How about to wait for step 1? |
| 07:28.57 | nvz | I'm getting too comfortable anymore |
| 07:29.07 | streuner | Guerin: How about to wait for step 1? |
| 07:29.15 | nvz | I guess I can just find a woman for that |
| 07:29.21 | streuner | :-) |
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| 07:29.32 | pc22 | Guerin, my real issue is activex |
| 07:29.35 | k31th | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 07:29.38 | nvz | damn.. I _am_ a regular comedian |
| 07:29.44 | nvz | I should be writing this shit down |
| 07:29.55 | Guerin | pc22: solution: don't use microsoft products, ever, for any reason |
| 07:30.11 | k31th | lol... |
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| 07:30.17 | pc22 | but my work needs ie6 |
| 07:30.36 | k31th | pc22 you can run that with crossover office iirc |
| 07:30.54 | Guerin | pc22: quit |
| 07:31.01 | nvz | one problem I'd have to overcome is the whole laughing at my own jokes thing I am sure there is an easy solution for that one |
| 07:31.03 | pc22 | crossover? |
| 07:31.10 | k31th | google it |
| 07:31.21 | nvz | its not good in most cases to laugh at your own jokes, especially more than everyone else does |
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| 07:31.47 | pc22 | k31th, its not free hehehehhe |
| 07:31.55 | k31th | pc22: nor is windows |
| 07:32.02 | k31th | its like 30 $ |
| 07:32.03 | beardy | pc22: Just use wine, and stop whineing. |
| 07:32.28 | k31th | and there is a 2 month free trial off the unstable version |
| 07:32.34 | pc22 | i did beardy, i got ie already working. just problem with activex |
| 07:32.42 | beardy | We don't really care. |
| 07:32.44 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 07:32.44 | dpkg | well, nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 07:32.52 | Guerin | !beer beardy |
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| 07:32.58 | k31th | lol |
| 07:33.25 | k31th | oh you got served |
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| 07:34.16 | streuner | apt, lolstats |
| 07:34.17 | apt | total count of lol on #debian: 10864 |
| 07:34.27 | beardy | And free is not the issue, Free is. |
| 07:34.47 | tralala | lol |
| 07:34.52 | beardy | !lol |
| 07:34.52 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:35.02 | streuner | lol |
| 07:35.12 | beardy | !spank streuner |
| 07:35.12 | k31th | hhaha |
| 07:35.40 | tralala | !comfort beardy |
| 07:35.41 | dpkg | There, there, beardy. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:37.19 | beardy | dpkg: I know baby. |
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| 08:07.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:07.36 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:07.39 | tarzeau | when is the freeze? |
| 08:08.09 | tralala | !freeze |
| 08:08.10 | dpkg | somebody said freeze was when we put the unstable version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable' |
| 08:08.19 | tarzeau | but the url to the latest status |
| 08:08.27 | tarzeau | tralala: man, you know that's not what i wanted |
| 08:08.54 | tralala | tarzeau, yep, I just expected something funny from dpkg |
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| 08:09.50 | tralala | I meant |
| 08:09.54 | tralala | !freeze tarzeau |
| 08:10.03 | tarzeau | heh |
| 08:10.08 | tarzeau | !pinch tralala |
| 08:10.17 | tarzeau | !screw tralala |
| 08:10.23 | tarzeau | !hurt tralala |
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| 08:10.39 | siimo | any idea when sid will upgrade to gtk 2.10? |
| 08:10.52 | tarzeau | siimo: checked experimental yet? |
| 08:10.58 | beardy | litage: So why do you need it? Just use tty(1).. |
| 08:10.59 | tarzeau | siimo: only the maintainer would know |
| 08:11.16 | siimo | tarzeau: yes experimental has it |
| 08:11.51 | tarzeau | siimo: you could always take that for your sid |
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| 08:12.19 | siimo | and possibly brake 100's of pkgs >_< |
| 08:12.42 | tarzeau | siimo: that, i don't know. i don't have any gtk stuff installed |
| 08:13.04 | siimo | O_o is that even possible |
| 08:13.08 | tarzeau | sure |
| 08:13.20 | tarzeau | try dpkg -l | grep gtk |
| 08:14.02 | litage | beardy: this software i'm using was built on redhat, but i'm using it on debian. the software makes a call to /sbin/consoletype so i need to debianise it |
| 08:14.36 | karsten | litage: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4312 |
| 08:15.15 | beardy | litage: Ok. I saw someone solved it for you above. |
| 08:15.18 | karsten | litage: "pty" is how pseudoterms are often referred to but the /dev/ tree is named pts. Don't ask me why. |
| 08:15.40 | beardy | litage: by writing a script to do the same thing |
| 08:16.36 | beardy | You can also spank the author for using ditribution specific things. |
| 08:16.56 | karsten | beardy: Careful. he might like that. |
| 08:17.02 | beardy | karsten: True.. |
| 08:17.15 | beardy | karsten: What should we do then? |
| 08:17.25 | karsten | beardy: spank me ;-) |
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| 08:21.37 | stumbles | hi, i don't seem to be able to make an iso of a 4.2G tar file with mkisofs. It gives me an error "mkisofs: Value too large for defined data type". |
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| 08:23.25 | nvz | karsten: man pts |
| 08:24.10 | nvz | karsten: ptmx is the psuedo-terminal master which when opened gives you a file discriptor and creates a psuedo-terminal slave in /dev/pts |
| 08:24.23 | karsten | nvz: Point. I knew that once. |
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| 08:25.01 | nvz | karsten: as for what the hell the /dev/pt[a-s][0-9] crap is I have no idea, but I sense its all legacy crap |
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| 08:26.27 | nvz | sounds like a plan.. I think I am gonna go to sleep if for no other reason I am gonna be hungry again soon and dont feel like cooking |
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| 08:28.55 | nvz | though in all reality I could stay up and in about 30min mcdonalds across the street starts serving breakfast |
| 08:32.32 | prolific | Anybody have a clue as to when firefox2 will be in the repos? |
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| 08:33.39 | litage | karsten: thanks for writing that consoletype-simulating script. i really appreciate it |
| 08:35.00 | beardy | !beer karsten |
| 08:35.07 | beardy | litage pays for it |
| 08:35.32 | litage | beer++ |
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| 08:37.50 | plutonas | when I give the command debian reference, it opens through konqueror. I would like to open the reference with firefox, but do not know how. Can somebody please help me? |
| 08:38.06 | siimo | foreach(BeerBottle bottle in beerFridge) { Consume(bottle); } |
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| 08:38.37 | test_ | hello all |
| 08:39.23 | test_ | I have created a setup of my ilnux desktop. I would like to create a recovery cd of it. So this includes all the data in home dirs and in /etc the config files on 1 dvd |
| 08:39.24 | triplc | hi all, i am using etch, please tell me what apt package i need to install so that i have that mozilla suite or seamonkey (no, not firefox, which is about to be changed) |
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| 08:41.20 | stew | plutonas: try "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" |
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| 08:42.03 | craigevil | Seamonkey isnt in Debian repos? why not just stick with firefox |
| 08:42.16 | cydork | !info mozilla-browser etch |
| 08:42.19 | siimo | i thought its ice weasel now |
| 08:42.19 | linuxmigration | test_: dd is your friend |
| 08:42.36 | triplc | somehow i prefer that old way in seamonkey/mozilla |
| 08:42.45 | craigevil | iceweasel/firefox its the same broswer/code just a different name |
| 08:42.58 | plutonas | stew: thank you... |
| 08:42.59 | siimo | seamonkey/mozilla doesn't properly display gtk2 menus X-( |
| 08:43.47 | Skiver | siimo, how is that ? |
| 08:43.50 | cydork | hmm i thought it's in etch.. sid has mozilla-browser |
| 08:44.19 | siimo | Skiver: they dont correctly follow your theme... compare firefox and seamonkey you will realise ... or any other gtk program menu vs seamonkey |
| 08:44.25 | triplc | yeah... cannot mozilla-browser" |
| 08:44.29 | craigevil | mozilla isnt really being updated anymore |
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| 08:44.35 | siimo | menus have a 3D feel to them more like windows 2000 |
| 08:44.44 | siimo | but seamonkey is :D |
| 08:45.32 | cydork | !why is mozilla-browser not in testing |
| 08:45.33 | dpkg | mozilla-browser is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mozilla-browser |
| 08:45.46 | cydork | release critical bugs :P |
| 08:46.24 | plutonas | stew: I changed the default to firefox, and now: plutonas@debian:~$ debian-reference |
| 08:46.27 | plutonas | check whether X browsers exist or not in X environment |
| 08:46.29 | plutonas | plutonas@debian:~$ |
| 08:47.02 | plutonas | oups sorry, it opened in an existing firefox... |
| 08:47.04 | plutonas | ok |
| 08:47.11 | siimo | isnt etch coming in like a month or two |
| 08:47.26 | craigevil | supposeedly |
| 08:47.29 | stew | siimo: possibly |
| 08:47.35 | cydork | siimo, yep, in dec likely |
| 08:47.46 | stew | iirc mozilla-browser is on the chopping block |
| 08:47.54 | cydork | hmm too many "ly"s |
| 08:48.19 | craigevil | Fireofx 2.0 should be in Etch with the name change to Iceweasel |
| 08:48.33 | craigevil | seems ubuntu kept the firefox name and logo |
| 08:48.45 | Skiver | that means there's gonna pause the updates for unstable ? |
| 08:49.05 | cydork | stew, it will be replaced by gnuzilla i guess |
| 08:49.09 | siimo | craigevil: i thought FF2 wont go into Etch.. it will be 1.5. |
| 08:49.13 | stew | cydork: not in etch |
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| 08:49.32 | stew | siimo: that remains to be seen |
| 08:49.33 | cydork | stew, oh ok |
| 08:49.42 | Demosthe1es | is it worth buying an AMD64 for use with Sarge? |
| 08:49.52 | siimo | NO |
| 08:49.55 | Contessa | evening all |
| 08:49.55 | valdyn | Demosthe1es: sure |
| 08:50.09 | siimo | Demosthe1es: you will switch to 32bit in a month like me :) if not sooner |
| 08:50.20 | Demosthe1es | siimo: what problems have you had? |
| 08:50.22 | Contessa | question .... how do I get 32 bit firefox and flash running when using a 64 bit debian distro ? |
| 08:50.25 | valdyn | siimo: that doesnt make an am64 any worse |
| 08:50.38 | craigevil | firefox 2.0 hasnt even made it into Sid |
| 08:50.40 | siimo | Demosthe1es: no problems.... just that there isnt any noticible speed improvements |
| 08:50.48 | Demosthe1es | siimo: i'm planning on running nearly a TB in linux software raid5... |
| 08:50.54 | Demosthe1es | siimo: and concerned about stability |
| 08:51.00 | siimo | plus no hassle of chroots or whatever for running 32bit binary software or plugins |
| 08:51.01 | valdyn | Demosthe1es: amd64 is a fine cpu, you still might want to run 32bit debian though |
| 08:51.15 | Demosthe1es | so i can run 32bit unmodified? |
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| 08:51.18 | Contessa | is there a 64 debian chan ? |
| 08:51.20 | valdyn | Demosthe1es: yes |
| 08:51.23 | stew | Demosthe1es: there is no reason to believe that amd64 would be less stable than i386 |
| 08:51.25 | Demosthe1es | hrm. |
| 08:51.30 | siimo | Demosthe1es: yes 100% 32bit compatible the amd64s |
| 08:51.48 | Demosthe1es | perhaps i should look then, i was trying to get an older athlon xp... |
| 08:51.52 | Demosthe1es | all they sell now is the 64. |
| 08:52.04 | siimo | but they are still worth buying... as hypertransport... increases memory bandwidth a lot so they are vert fast |
| 08:52.07 | stew | Contessa: setup a chroot with debootstrap and run it in the chroot. schroot is a tool that makes it so that users can execute commands in a chroot easily |
| 08:52.21 | Demosthe1es | as much as i dislike intel cpu's, i'd almost buy a p4 because there aren't any compatibility issues. |
| 08:52.22 | valdyn | Demosthe1es: no point in getting athlonxp when amd64 is better in every aspect ( and cheap too ) |
| 08:52.29 | Contessa | stew ? ... um ... is there a manual on that somewhere ? |
| 08:52.39 | stew | Contessa: yes, "man debootstrap" |
| 08:52.43 | Contessa | ty |
| 08:52.49 | siimo | Demosthe1es: yes but theres no noticible speed gains to rub 64 bit OS yet.. atleast for desktop machines |
| 08:52.53 | siimo | run |
| 08:53.13 | cydork | !tell Contessa -about amd64 |
| 08:53.18 | stew | Contessa: you'll want something like 'debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /path/to/chroot/location' or replace etch for sarge |
| 08:53.34 | Contessa | I'm using Studio 64 on a dual opteron |
| 08:53.59 | siimo | Demosthe1es: get a dual core |
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| 08:55.09 | Demosthe1es | siimo: i'm going for cheap ;] |
| 08:55.34 | Demosthe1es | siimo: upgrading my existing fileserver, 1.7 ghz p4 w/ mirrored 160GB's. |
| 08:55.52 | Demosthe1es | siimo: the storage is the most important, i'm looking at sata 4x 320GB @ raid5. |
| 08:56.00 | Demosthe1es | siimo: a faster processor wouldn't hurt ;] |
| 08:56.29 | Contessa | Demosthe1es: for that sort of work, you wnat an opteron |
| 08:56.56 | siimo | amd64 will be ok too dont haaaave to have an opt |
| 08:57.18 | Contessa | for storage work >? |
| 08:57.29 | Demosthe1es | i'm not a heavy cpu user. this is a home fileserver. light to medium use. |
| 08:57.40 | Contessa | neitehr am I ...grins |
| 08:57.52 | Contessa | my machiune makes a great word processor |
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| 08:58.01 | Demosthe1es | yeah, i'm already looking at $600 for storage, i'd prefer to keep it under $1k |
| 08:58.03 | stew | a fileserver, in general, wouldn't be cpu intensive |
| 08:58.27 | Contessa | a little slow opteron with wide pipes |
| 08:58.28 | Demosthe1es | it does a bit more, but not much |
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| 09:01.30 | Demosthe1es | well, i feel better then that i can just run plain 32 bit w/o problems |
| 09:01.34 | Demosthe1es | its good to know |
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| 09:02.11 | Contessa | Demosthe1es: am running a 32 bit version of Studio 64 on a dual pentium pro ..and it runs fine |
| 09:03.20 | siimo | Demosthe1es: if its just a fileserver then go ahead with 64bit but on the desktop its too much hassle having a 32bit chroot for firefox flash java plugins and all that |
| 09:03.39 | Demosthe1es | siimo: it does run a few VNC sessions with some kde apps, i'll stick to 32 bit |
| 09:05.06 | siimo | ok |
| 09:07.03 | triplc | hello, how can i install gaim-encryption for etch? |
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| 09:09.46 | triplc | i cannot install it by "apt-get install gaim-encryption", so i browse the apt repo and download gaim-encryption_2.36-3_i386.deb. Hohowever, "dpkg -i" say that i need "libnss3"; please tell me how to get "libnss3" (it's not on the repo) |
| 09:10.28 | wols_ | !why is libnss3 not in testing |
| 09:10.29 | dpkg | libnss3 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libnss3 |
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| 09:12.28 | wols_ | why would a fileserver need a heavy duty CPU? |
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| 09:12.47 | wols_ | commercial fileservre applicances use ~1,2GHz Celeries and work fine |
| 09:13.21 | wols_ | keep your P4 imho |
| 09:13.25 | pelzi_ | yup |
| 09:13.29 | siimo | what if it also streams hdtv :P |
| 09:13.36 | Contessa | but use a server mobo ! |
| 09:13.41 | wols_ | streaming doesn't need any CPU |
| 09:13.43 | cydork | but not to what siimo said :P |
| 09:14.08 | pelzi_ | get a proper net card and raid, not cpu |
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| 09:14.23 | stew | siimo: i stream hdtv from a pentium 2 with no problem |
| 09:14.32 | wols_ | keep with intel. their NICs are tasty |
| 09:14.44 | beardy | They are? ... |
| 09:14.55 | stew | with a little salt |
| 09:14.59 | wols_ | beardy: compared to what's out there? what else would you use? |
| 09:15.15 | siimo | dual gigabit nics :P |
| 09:15.16 | pelzi_ | 3com |
| 09:15.35 | wols_ | pelzi_: isn't 3com outsourcing their stuff nowadays (or so I thought) |
| 09:15.41 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 09:15.41 | beardy | wols_: I think 3com is good, and working everywhere.. |
| 09:15.47 | pelzi_ | Broadcom. |
| 09:15.58 | wols_ | broadcom and linux don't mix too good, does it? |
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| 09:16.12 | siimo | wired is fine |
| 09:16.12 | pelzi_ | and they've outsourced for ages |
| 09:16.13 | wols_ | beardy: as if intel wouldn't work everywhere :) |
| 09:16.27 | phpnuborn | when i worked for US Feds.. I insisted on 3com nic cards.. they never failed.. |
| 09:16.40 | pelzi_ | nah... ethernet cards work fine |
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| 09:17.09 | beardy | wols_: I don't know. |
| 09:17.19 | Contessa | broadcom works fine for me, |
| 09:17.25 | wols_ | Demosthe1es: bottom line, skimp on CPU, splurge on disks, disk controllers and network cards |
| 09:17.36 | beardy | wols_: I don't own any intel nics myself. |
| 09:17.38 | phpnuborn | and where software configureable.. which was unique at the time and saves field tech lots of time not having to open desktop cases.. |
| 09:17.41 | stew | !find tg3.ko stable |
| 09:17.48 | wols_ | beardy: me neither since I don't need them |
| 09:17.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tg3.ko' (4 of 20): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386. |
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| 09:18.03 | stew | oh, i thought that was the one that was removed in stable, nm |
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| 09:18.57 | wols_ | beardy: but I'm really tempted to buy another intel chip after 13-14 years now in 1Q07 :) |
| 09:19.00 | Miesco | rxvt rocks! |
| 09:19.33 | beardy | wols_: I'm thinking of buying any nic other than the one in this box.. :) |
| 09:19.56 | wols_ | might not have an intel nick if there is a nice RD600 mobo :) |
| 09:20.02 | wols_ | what nic is it? |
| 09:20.10 | beardy | wols_: Realtek crap. |
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| 09:20.39 | wols_ | realtek are fine. no exactly speedy but price/perfomance is good, work everywhere |
| 09:20.43 | wols_ | you get what you pay for |
| 09:21.09 | beardy | "CNet PRO200 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter" |
| 09:21.26 | pelzi_ | realtek has problems in windows |
| 09:21.36 | beardy | wols_: Yeah, it works, but makes sounds when putting some load on it.. |
| 09:21.36 | wols_ | pelzi_: never noticed. what problems? |
| 09:22.12 | pelzi_ | 9x drivers broke the ip stack |
| 09:22.12 | wols_ | pelzi_: basically if I want a bottom of the pile card which actually works, I chose realtek |
| 09:22.27 | pelzi_ | but 3c has more problems |
| 09:22.51 | Skiver | !tor |
| 09:22.51 | dpkg | it has been said that tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
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| 09:26.15 | Miesco | Can you get a menu or remove the scrollbar from within rxvt? |
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| 09:29.03 | sparr | (Reading database ... 382579 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 09:29.07 | sparr | my filesystem is getting big |
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| 09:32.25 | kijjaz | i'm on Debian Etch. how do i set a default sound card for ALSA? |
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| 09:35.07 | c00lfon | kijjaz, via alsaconfig |
| 09:35.31 | c00lfon | kijjaz, but... You have more than one (enabled) soundcard? |
| 09:35.43 | c00lfon | for what? |
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| 09:38.28 | cuco | hi, does anyone know if adept is available for etch...? i cannot find it on main |
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| 09:41.26 | MoonDuck | OT: What format should i use if i want to create a presentation template - one which i could create HTML, PDFs, or other kinds of slideshows, please? |
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| 09:46.44 | kijjaz | c00lfon: hmm.. and how do i use alsaconfig? by dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 09:46.59 | kijjaz | c00lfon: i'm using another usb audio interface for music synthesis ^_^ |
| 09:47.00 | c00lfon | kijjaz, just type alasaconfig. ;-) |
| 09:47.06 | c00lfon | Mhhhhhm. |
| 09:47.07 | streuner | no, alsaconf |
| 09:47.14 | c00lfon | Right. ;> |
| 09:47.41 | kijjaz | c00lfon: oh i had to run it as root.. ok. running it now. |
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| 09:52.10 | agi_ | 'ngiorno |
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| 09:53.36 | agi_ | cè nessuno?? |
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| 09:54.46 | sussudio | !tasso agi_ |
| 09:54.46 | dpkg | agi_: tasso tasso tasso tasso fungo fungo serpente oooh serpenteeee! |
| 09:54.57 | agi_ | ?? |
| 09:55.04 | Hoxzer | !hoxzer |
| 09:55.12 | Hoxzer | hmmmmmm.... |
| 09:55.22 | agi_ | ke sn sti comandi??? |
| 09:55.31 | Hoxzer | geez, that bot doesn't work |
| 09:55.47 | sussudio | agi_: http://www.apasrsm.org/ambiente/c-nat/tasso.jpg |
| 09:55.53 | c00lfon | Oh, telefomitalia. |
| 09:56.05 | c00lfon | Provider, that I drop on all my routers. ;> |
| 09:56.28 | c00lfon | Very abusive and stupid users/admins. |
| 09:56.32 | c00lfon | imvvvho |
| 09:56.42 | agi_ | asd |
| 09:57.06 | c00lfon | :>>> |
| 09:58.18 | Hoxzer | http://www.philo.de/ape/pics/screenshot_1.png :E eh I didnt' know programs can read hand writing that well |
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| 10:06.57 | funkmaster | hey ppl i got a question, can i somehow check if i accidently ran 'apt-get dist-upgrade' on one of my machines? |
| 10:07.42 | streuner | funkmaster: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 10:09.13 | streuner | !info libc6 testing |
| 10:09.17 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 4586 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 10:09.34 | funkmaster | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:09.48 | streuner | hm, that's unstable, reinstall |
| 10:09.58 | funkmaster | damn, can i downgrade somehow? |
| 10:10.02 | streuner | no |
| 10:10.03 | cydork | !downgrade |
| 10:10.04 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 10:10.24 | funkmaster | okidoki, thx for the info |
| 10:10.29 | streuner | np |
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| 10:15.11 | tralala | tarzeau, it appears that the freeze will happen when there are less than 80RC bugs remaining. I don't know if the bts can be queried for the rc bugs number though. |
| 10:16.17 | tarzeau | tralala: there's this: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 10:16.33 | tarzeau | tralala: it's on 250 since 4 weeks |
| 10:17.24 | tralala | tarzeau, here's what I've found http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch&sortby=bugnr |
| 10:17.39 | tarzeau | there's also http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 10:17.52 | tarzeau | tralala: your url is mainly used for bug squashing |
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| 10:19.32 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:19.33 | dpkg | <debianstarfish> can i get to the internet from here? |
| 10:19.55 | tralala | tarzeau, does this mean there are no bugfixes or no bts updates? |
| 10:20.09 | tarzeau | tralala: yes there are, but the same amount bugs keep get reported |
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| 10:20.49 | tralala | hmm... who would've thought etch will be that buggy... |
| 10:21.02 | tarzeau | tralala: it's not etch, it's software, packages |
| 10:21.07 | tarzeau | tralala: and you too can fix some |
| 10:21.22 | tralala | btw did they say Dec, 6th _2006_? |
| 10:21.23 | tarzeau | shouldn't the topic be updated for 3.1r4 ? |
| 10:21.26 | tarzeau | tralala: yes |
| 10:21.47 | tarzeau | tralala: maybe if we can show people in #debian how to fix bug, and everyone takes one, we could release tomorrow already? |
| 10:21.55 | tralala | tarzeau, I don't even know the debian policy |
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| 10:22.08 | tarzeau | tralala: heh, do you think *i* know it? :) |
| 10:22.49 | tralala | tarzeau, heh, this is how every utopia is described :) |
| 10:22.50 | wols_ | aren't you supposed to? |
| 10:22.57 | tarzeau | wols_: says who? |
| 10:23.23 | funkmaster | how can i save the name of every installed package on my system? |
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| 10:23.41 | tarzeau | funkmaster: COLUMNS=300 dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' |
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| 10:23.56 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 10:23.56 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'" |
| 10:24.14 | funkmaster | thx ppl :) |
| 10:24.16 | beardy | The later is faster. |
| 10:24.24 | beardy | (by some milliseconds) |
| 10:24.54 | tralala | aptitude search ~i | awk '{print $1(or so)}' as well |
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| 10:26.26 | funkmaster | can i also get it with version numbers? |
| 10:26.44 | funkmaster | fo each local package |
| 10:26.51 | funkmaster | for |
| 10:27.49 | tralala | funkmaster, I guess you can make aptitude show the version but you'll have to read the docs |
| 10:28.17 | funkmaster | hm ok thx |
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| 10:29.32 | beardy | funkmaster: dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2" "$3}' |
| 10:30.22 | beardy | funkmaster: Add COLUMNS=200 first though.. |
| 10:30.31 | tralala | funkmaster, aptitude search ~i -F "%p %V" |
| 10:30.35 | funkmaster | beardy: thx :) |
| 10:32.15 | tralala | dpkg, list all packages is also aptitude search ~i -F "%p" |
| 10:32.15 | dpkg | tralala: okay |
| 10:32.37 | beardy | tralala: That is horribly slow though. |
| 10:32.50 | tralala | is it? |
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| 10:33.14 | beardy | tralala: Took 10.194s in real time here. |
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| 10:33.38 | beardy | dpkg and awk does it in ~0.6 |
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| 10:34.54 | unlink | bravo whoever set msmtp provides mta |
| 10:35.08 | tralala | beardy, you're right - similar here. |
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| 10:35.40 | redho_seb | hye glxgears don't print fps rate for me ! |
| 10:35.47 | tarzeau | redho_seb: yeah |
| 10:35.48 | tralala | with dpkg ~2s, with aptitude ~7s |
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| 10:35.55 | Braindead | glxgears -printfps |
| 10:35.56 | tarzeau | redho_seb: use brutalchess to test your speed |
| 10:36.25 | beardy | tralala: ~2s? If you try it again, perhaps it needed to cache it? |
| 10:36.29 | redho_seb | brutalchess - 3d chess with reflection of the chessmen ? |
| 10:36.33 | tarzeau | redho_seb: yes |
| 10:36.44 | beardy | tralala: Try the dpkg way two times in a row, what is the last real time? |
| 10:36.48 | tralala | beardy, this is a really old'n'slow laptop |
| 10:36.49 | redho_seb | thanks |
| 10:37.11 | beardy | tralala: Ok. But for me the difference was greater between the two. |
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| 10:37.44 | tralala | beardy, you probably have much more packages installed. Btw running dpkg twice reduced the time to 1.5s |
| 10:37.55 | tralala | oh, I use grep, not awk |
| 10:38.09 | tralala | it shouldn't matter but let me try awk as well |
| 10:38.54 | tralala | 1.6s |
| 10:39.17 | yang | Has anyone done a hard disk encryption, that you must enter password before it mounts? |
| 10:40.26 | tralala | beardy, I get it now - the dpkg was crippled by the slow network output. I got it down to 0.2s ignoring the output |
| 10:40.50 | tralala | yang, I have |
| 10:41.13 | yang | tralala: do you have any good manual for it, and id you use gnupg? |
| 10:41.15 | tralala | using cryptoloop and a file, though |
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| 10:45.02 | funkmaster | can i do a resintall without loosing my files on the drive? |
| 10:45.17 | yang | tralala: did you see my second question? |
| 10:45.50 | funkmaster | so somehow that debian installer would not touch anything except system files or partitions..? |
| 10:46.05 | tralala | yang, no I don't have a manual and I used cryptoloop not gnupg. |
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| 10:47.04 | tralala | funkmaster, if your data is on a separate partition the installer won't touch it. However /etc will be overwritten and you'll lose your settings |
| 10:47.41 | funkmaster | and if files r on the same partition? |
| 10:47.47 | funkmaster | i can 4get them right? |
| 10:47.52 | XrMb2 | weiß jemand, wie man über die konsole eine mail schreiben kann? also sowas wie debian:$ mail variable_empfänger variable_nachricht ? |
| 10:48.02 | XrMb2 | oops |
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| 10:48.45 | unlink | XrMb2: eh, try thunderbird or sylpheed (or evolution, kmail...) |
| 10:49.29 | XrMb2 | does anyone know how to write an email using a shell? something like localhost:$ mail var_recepient var_message |
| 10:49.35 | tralala | funkmaster, it should be possible to keep them as long as you tell the installer _not_ to create filesystem. You can easily screw the things up though. |
| 10:49.37 | XrMb2 | no, i mean by using a shell |
| 10:50.13 | Braindead | XrMb2: man mail |
| 10:50.16 | tralala | XrMb2, echo "this is my message" | mail XrMb2@spam.com |
| 10:50.35 | XrMb2 | but i haven't got that binary executable "mail" |
| 10:50.41 | tralala | !installit |
| 10:50.41 | Braindead | shame on you. |
| 10:50.42 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 10:50.43 | XrMb2 | what's the package which contains it? |
| 10:51.04 | Braindead | seem like you reaped out your MTA...are you using debian? |
| 10:51.22 | unlink | oh, in the shell |
| 10:51.22 | unlink | apt-get install nail |
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| 10:51.43 | tralala | Braindead, nope 'mail' is not in exim |
| 10:51.47 | Braindead | d'oh |
| 10:52.02 | yang | tralala: what do you think about loop-AES ? |
| 10:52.09 | XrMb2 | oh, sorry, my bad. i wanted to test that locally, not on my server, which has that installed |
| 10:52.10 | Braindead | yep,it's in mailx,shame on me |
| 10:52.15 | XrMb2 | thanks anyway :> |
| 10:52.33 | Braindead | XrMb2: aptitude install nullmailer mailx |
| 10:52.49 | tralala | how come I don't have exim installed... |
| 10:52.56 | unlink | is there any way to have multiple screen configurations in the same xorg.conf so that you can easily switch between displays (say when you go to work, or come home) |
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| 10:53.28 | tralala | yang, it's okay if you're not too paranoid |
| 10:53.41 | tralala | s/too/very/ (one can never be too paranoid) |
| 10:54.14 | yang | tralala: well, right now i dont have any encryption at all, so if i loose my disk it can be mounted and read easily... |
| 10:54.45 | beardy | tralala: http://tinyurl.com/ulwaj |
| 10:57.37 | tralala | yang, perhaps you'd want to put /home on a separate encrypted partition. Using a password for the encryption though opens it for dictionary attacks. |
| 10:58.18 | tralala | beardy, interesting --get-selections is the performance champ |
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| 10:58.41 | yang | tralala: can an older hard drive with files on it get re-configured with encryption, or can it only be processed when installing a new system? |
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| 11:00.47 | tralala | beardy, hmm... it seems that displaying the results is much harder than obtaining them - http://rafb.net/paste/results/jkjH7x33.html |
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| 11:01.50 | tralala | yang, I only know about cryptoloop and you can configure this at any time. You'd have to _format_ the partition though! |
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| 11:02.34 | beardy | tralala: Yeah, displaying them is what takes time in dpkg's case, with aptitude it takes a _lot_ of time to get the results aswell. |
| 11:02.56 | mynullvoid | hi all cp have preserve mode by using cp -p, can I have move and preserve ? |
| 11:03.04 | yang | tralala: on one website I saw, that the somehow use AES-loop with an USB stick together to boot the machine |
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| 11:03.10 | xirjs | what do i need to get DRI running on debian .. ? |
| 11:03.11 | tralala | beardy, at least aptitude is easier to type :) |
| 11:03.20 | tralala | yang, www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Cryptoloop-HOWTO |
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| 11:03.30 | yang | tralala: yeah i am reading it |
| 11:03.38 | XrMb2 | okay, i did it. is there any way to change the sender-id? i mean, there is written that the mail is from the currently logged in user. how can i define another sender-id? |
| 11:03.38 | XrMb2 | because i didn't find any hint in man mail |
| 11:04.14 | beardy | tralala: Yes, it is. What's great is that there is a great number of ways to do one thing in. |
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| 11:04.38 | tralala | beardy, and dpkg knows them all ;) |
| 11:05.06 | beardy | tralala: Hehe, well, only three.. :) |
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| 11:06.05 | tralala | XrMb2, echo -e "From: cheapdrugs@greatdeal.com\nBUY NOW!" | mail victim@aol.net |
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| 11:06.59 | cyzie | anyone know how to configure vino ? |
| 11:08.48 | XrMb2 | thank you |
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| 11:11.38 | redho_seb | excuse me how install firefox2 on my sid debian |
| 11:12.07 | tralala | redho_seb, there's no excuse for using sid |
| 11:12.13 | blondie | redho_seb: is that a question? |
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| 11:12.45 | beardy | He should know anyway if he's running sid. |
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| 11:13.12 | aRJAy | Problem: I'm loading up Debian for the first time. I've rebooted and removed the CD, as suggested, and now it's trying to access the Debian archive - which I selected as being via FTP and/or HTTP (have tried both in mulitple locations).. |
| 11:13.47 | aRJAy | Could not connecte to ftp.monash.edu.au:80 (1.0.0.0) |
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| 11:14.11 | aRJAy | Any ideas? :) |
| 11:14.17 | itchi | aRJAy: that ip is not yet right |
| 11:14.27 | aRJAy | itchi: aye.. |
| 11:14.30 | itchi | aRJAy: Select another mirror |
| 11:14.38 | aRJAy | Tried a few itchi |
| 11:14.48 | aRJAy | none in Australia seem to work.. |
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| 11:15.04 | aRJAy | 3-4 of them I've tried.... ftp and http |
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| 11:15.12 | usamahashimi | hi all |
| 11:15.18 | tralala | aRJAy, can you ping google for example? |
| 11:15.25 | itchi | aRJAy: Choice some other that work ;-) |
| 11:15.35 | usamahashimi | can anyone guide me that how can i install debian in my nokia 6610? |
| 11:15.47 | aRJAy | tralala: aye.. was able to ping google.com |
| 11:16.11 | aRJAy | all come back with (1.0.0.0) as being the iP |
| 11:16.14 | aRJAy | v.odd |
| 11:16.18 | aRJAy | brb.. |
| 11:16.51 | petemc | usamahashimi: what makes you think you can? |
| 11:16.57 | itchi | cydork: Thanks, i'm still at coffee right now ;-) |
| 11:17.06 | itchi | aRJAy: Try with ftp://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/debian/ ?? |
| 11:17.37 | usamahashimi | petemc: i read a question on a forum about that |
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| 11:17.55 | itchi | aRJAy: Do you ping on the ip or on the name of Google? |
| 11:18.01 | petemc | usamahashimi: i would be very dubious |
| 11:18.15 | hollo | hmm.. how can i make a clone of a cd? |
| 11:18.28 | blondie | a replicator |
| 11:18.30 | hollo | its a ghost cd.. and i have tried with dd.. no help |
| 11:18.35 | itchi | hollo: k3b is an funny GUI |
| 11:18.58 | blondie | or a teleporter, and bounce the signal off the atmosphere to cause replication. |
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| 11:19.05 | hollo | itchi, will try that |
| 11:20.08 | usamahashimi | petemc: if windows can be installed in nokia 6610 then why not linux? |
| 11:20.28 | petemc | usamahashimi: i dont think windows can be |
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| 11:21.21 | cyzie | anyone have a good howto for vnc setup ? |
| 11:21.36 | itchi | hhhm an Linux should? gona ckeck it out |
| 11:21.49 | usamahashimi | do u have nokia 6610? |
| 11:22.11 | itchi | cyzie: I was a bit experienced with tightvns. I found that 100% good |
| 11:22.26 | itchi | usamahashimi: No i not have one :-/ |
| 11:23.14 | cyzie | itchi, nice! actually how do i setup vnc server? i would like to share the current display rather than a new display. can u tell me how ? |
| 11:23.40 | usamahashimi | if u install fexplorer in nokia 6610, u can see the entire directory structure, its divided in windows directory structure like C, D, E, F drives |
| 11:24.01 | itchi | cyzie: Normally how we need to do is; aptitude install <pkg> and read the docs that are provided with the <pkg>. That's mostly the best howto you can find |
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| 11:24.13 | cyzie | itchi, ...... |
| 11:24.34 | usamahashimi | see this for linux in mobile: http://www.linuxpakistan.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5097&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= |
| 11:24.45 | itchi | cyzie: Once installed, then do dpkg -L <pkg> and he show you where the stuff is located |
| 11:24.55 | cyzie | ok |
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| 11:25.23 | tralala | cyzie, the current display is shared by x11vnc |
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| 11:26.01 | itchi | kug, i can imagine that 6610 with Linux on it |
| 11:26.19 | itchi | Looks an simple mobile |
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| 11:26.47 | cyzie | thanks tralala ! |
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| 11:27.16 | usamahashimi | but the question is that how can i install linux in nokia 6610 |
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| 11:29.48 | tralala | cydork, you're nose surely takes its time to smell trolls :) |
| 11:29.51 | tralala | your |
| 11:30.09 | cydork | tralala, after 2-3 beer it gets kinda slow :P |
| 11:30.19 | andreiutz | hi one week ago i installed debian sarge and yesterday i realised that i have forgotten my user & root password . how can i revover the passwords back ? or change them ? |
| 11:30.28 | jooopyme | Hi I have precedence mount problem. /boot is mounted befor the / and then /boot is empty. /boot has the values 1 2 and \/ have 0 1 . |
| 11:30.44 | tralala | cydork, you don't drink enough, you need more practice ;) |
| 11:31.03 | cydork | tralala, will do.. send more beer! |
| 11:31.07 | cydork | :P |
| 11:31.09 | cyzie | thanks tralala !~! got it work ;) |
| 11:31.20 | tralala | cyzie, you're welcome |
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| 11:31.26 | jooopyme | andreiutz: load the comp with knoppix, then mount the root partition . then chroot to the partition. then passwd. reboot. |
| 11:31.58 | andreiutz | jooopyme, thank you |
| 11:32.00 | cyzie | itchi, x11vnc will share the current desktop. give it a try. when u run x11vnc, it will tell u the steps to setup ;) |
| 11:33.33 | itchi | andreiutz: See /dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 11:33.49 | itchi | andreiutz: oeps /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 11:34.12 | itchi | cyzie: I no more need vnc, i like cli many more :-) |
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| 11:35.47 | piyush_patel | my system stop booting, showing call trace and stack after removal of LAN card any solution? |
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| 11:36.26 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom² all |
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| 11:40.49 | FernandoMM | Hello, could someone tell how can i install squid 2.6 on debian sarge? Where can i find this backport? |
| 11:41.31 | jooopyme | cat I set order of mount in fstab? |
| 11:42.45 | tralala | FernandoMM, if it's not in backports.org you can attempt to backport it yourself |
| 11:42.53 | tralala | FernandoMM, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 11:42.56 | tastapod | hi there - I just dist-upgraded apache2.2-common to 2.2.3-2 and now apache2 doesn't start |
| 11:43.05 | tastapod | jooopyme: yep, it's one of the fields |
| 11:43.18 | wols_ | tastapod: downgrade manually to apache 2.0 |
| 11:43.50 | tastapod | wols_: that's an excellent idea |
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| 11:44.11 | tastapod | before I start rooting around in the apt-get man page, could you tell me how to do that please? |
| 11:44.34 | wols_ | no. you run either testing or sid which means you're supposed to know that yourself |
| 11:44.41 | wols_ | hint: pat-get is useless for it |
| 11:44.44 | wols_ | use dpkg |
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| 11:44.55 | adrakoa | hi |
| 11:45.01 | tastapod | wols_: gotcha, thanks |
| 11:45.55 | tastapod | hmm |
| 11:46.09 | aRJAy | <itchi> aRJAy: Try with ftp://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/debian/ ?? |
| 11:46.20 | aRJAy | Testing apt scources.... |
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| 11:46.56 | aRJAy | 0% [Connecting to ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (1.0.0.0)] |
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| 11:47.16 | aRJAy | It just hangs there until an error message comes on... |
| 11:47.24 | aRJAy | itchi: still here? |
| 11:47.27 | NiCeBoY | !pastebin |
| 11:47.27 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 11:47.31 | tastapod | ok so now I'm doing something new with dpkg |
| 11:47.31 | Braindead | aRJAy: does it sound like a feasible ip to you? |
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| 11:47.36 | wols_ | that IP is totally utterly wrong aRJAy |
| 11:47.46 | Braindead | ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be A 134.58.250.2 |
| 11:47.47 | tastapod | it's telling me apache2-common conflicts with apache2.2-common |
| 11:48.01 | aRJAy | wols_: yes... I realise... |
| 11:48.30 | aRJAy | I'm not sure why all the sites that I'm trying to get onto are (1.0.0.0) |
| 11:48.31 | wols_ | aRJAy: so fix your DNS |
| 11:48.40 | wols_ | cause your DNS is borked |
| 11:48.48 | aRJAy | wols_: This is my first install of debian |
| 11:49.03 | aRJAy | after the install it sugests to remove the cd and reboot.. |
| 11:49.05 | aRJAy | did that.. |
| 11:49.10 | tastapod | which of course has a bunch of libapache2-mods as dependencies |
| 11:49.11 | aRJAy | then this is happening.. |
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| 11:49.43 | tastapod | sorry I'm being so stupid - I've been running debian unstable and testing for about 3 years now and never had to manually downgrade before |
| 11:49.44 | aRJAy | obviously the dns is not sorted.. but I haven't been given the chance to sort it :) |
| 11:49.49 | tastapod | I appreciate your patience :) |
| 11:49.52 | wols_ | aRJAy: you probably use DHCP. fix your DHCP server |
| 11:50.16 | itchi | aRJAy: yup |
| 11:50.31 | wols_ | aRJAy: how don't you had a chance? |
| 11:50.48 | aRJAy | wols_: it's now coming up with the error message... while in Debian configuration.. it doesn't seem to give me the chance to get around it.. |
| 11:50.50 | wols_ | ctrl+alt+f2 and edit your networking config |
| 11:51.00 | cyzie | itchi, agree, cli is good but sometime, soemtime, u need GUI :) |
| 11:51.20 | tastapod | wols_: is there an easy way to force a downgrade? or somewhere you can point me? |
| 11:51.36 | wols_ | man dpkg |
| 11:51.41 | itchi | cyzie: For remote administrating?? ssh to the box and do whatever you need to do |
| 11:51.45 | wols_ | and I thought I already told you that? |
| 11:51.58 | tastapod | wols_: dpkg --<Tab> shows me the 400 options dpkg supports |
| 11:52.02 | tastapod | !! |
| 11:52.03 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 11:52.10 | wols_ | tastapod: are you capable of reading? |
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| 11:52.14 | tastapod | I'm just hoping you can point me in the right direction |
| 11:52.28 | wols_ | I won't repeat it a third time |
| 11:52.30 | cyzie | itchi, yes, i know. but sometime...sometime when u need GUI.. then. u need vnc ;) |
| 11:52.31 | wols_ | !moron tastapod |
| 11:52.31 | dpkg | tastapod: You are moron #33 |
| 11:52.47 | aRJAy | Again, it's only going through it's initial start-up. I'm going through the Apt configuration diretily after having installed, rebooted and removing the CD. It's asking for an Archive Access method for apt. It's giving me the options at this stage of cdrom, http, ftp, filesystem and edit sources list by hand.. |
| 11:52.47 | beardy | !u |
| 11:52.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:52.50 | wols_ | cyzie: no you don't. freenx or such is guud |
| 11:53.03 | itchi | cyzie: yup, i understand. Now that i know a bit more i try to avoid GUI first :-) |
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| 11:53.18 | aRJAy | Shall I chose to 'edit sources list by hand' ? |
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| 11:53.28 | possie | is it just be, or was 'agetty' in the package list before? i can't find it anymore |
| 11:53.29 | beardy | You never need a gui to accomplish administrative tasks. |
| 11:53.32 | wols_ | aRJAy: again, press ctrl+alt+f2 and edit your network/dns config OR fix your lousy DHCP server |
| 11:53.52 | beardy | It will only slow you down and make you stupid. |
| 11:54.11 | aRJAy | wols_: no idea how to edit the network/dns config |
| 11:54.18 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 11:54.18 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 11:54.19 | aRJAy | <== Newb. |
| 11:54.28 | beardy | !resolv.conf |
| 11:54.31 | cyzie | itchi, hehehe... it's good if u have backup ;) |
| 11:54.34 | wols_ | !noob |
| 11:54.35 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 11:54.47 | cyzie | wols_, freenx |
| 11:54.48 | cyzie | ? |
| 11:54.57 | beardy | aRJAy: man resolv.conf |
| 11:54.59 | wols_ | !fgi freenx |
| 11:55.00 | itchi | cyzie: You need to backup important data! Otherwise it's not important data! |
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| 11:55.20 | wols_ | ~fgi freenx |
| 11:55.29 | cyzie | lol |
| 11:55.31 | wols_ | damn PC-ness |
| 11:55.54 | cyzie | wols_, what is freenx ? |
| 11:55.58 | tastapod | moron 33 here |
| 11:55.59 | itchi | cyzie: Yeah i know, when i started, it was also 70% GUI and 30% cli. Try then to little be little to move |
| 11:56.01 | tastapod | so I tried dpkg --force-downgrade -i /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2-common_2.0.55-4.1_i386.deb |
| 11:56.16 | tastapod | it says it conflicts with apache2.2-common |
| 11:56.23 | cyzie | itchi, i use cli, my boss use GUI . cant avoid it ya know ;) |
| 11:56.39 | wols_ | tastapod: how about uninstalling the new, non working crap first? |
| 11:56.40 | itchi | cyzie: Fire up the boss :-p |
| 11:57.06 | wols_ | tastapod: and after etch is stable, don't isntall testing or unstable again |
| 11:57.08 | tralala | !cluebat cyzie's boss |
| 11:57.45 | cyzie | lol |
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| 11:58.04 | cyzie | so wols_ what is freenx ? |
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| 12:02.37 | tralala | apt, who onws you |
| 12:02.44 | tralala | apt, who owns you |
| 12:02.45 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 12:02.51 | streuner | !nuke amphi |
| 12:03.02 | itchi | boem |
| 12:03.09 | phanter | tralala: thanks a lot, but that does not help. Please see this as well http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29710/ |
| 12:03.20 | streuner | amphi: nice job, dude. |
| 12:03.23 | tralala | apt, you better tell TimRiker that you're buggy |
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| 12:03.39 | tastapod | wols_: this is the first time I've been bitten using testing |
| 12:03.52 | cyzie | ok, freenx looks cool! |
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| 12:04.05 | itchi | tralala: It's another bot like dpkg, nothings to do with apt- |
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| 12:04.22 | tastapod | I want to learn how to fix it - I'd just like a bit more help than rtfm |
| 12:04.22 | tralala | phanter, anyway LVM is offtoppic here |
| 12:04.29 | tralala | itchi, okay, thanks |
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| 12:04.40 | phanter | !topic |
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| 12:05.24 | phanter | why is lvm off toppic? |
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| 12:06.25 | wols_ | tastapod: uninstall the borken package(s), reinstall old working packages. don't do any automatic dependency checking |
| 12:06.45 | wols_ | tastapod: is that SO hard to understand? if yes: you are not capable of testing, let alone sid imho |
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| 12:08.04 | tralala | phanter, because #debian is not #lvm. Short howto for you - on top of PE you create VG an don top of VG you create LV. For more information I kindly advise you to use google. |
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| 12:08.37 | Nach | Anyone know how I can turn off NX for running a particular app. Or perhaps to mark a particular app's allocated memory as no NX without recompiling it? |
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| 12:08.53 | tastapod | wols_: no, I get that |
| 12:09.12 | phanter | tralala: thanks, but then there is probably a different channel for every command since every command is on its own or what... well anyway. So much for the community I worked with once... |
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| 12:09.16 | tastapod | but uninstalling the broken package says it's also going to uninstall about 20 other packages |
| 12:09.26 | tralala | !customer |
| 12:09.27 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 12:09.30 | wols_ | tastapod: how do you uninstall it? |
| 12:09.35 | tastapod | so if I uninstall then manually install apache2-common |
| 12:09.41 | tastapod | and then pin it |
| 12:09.45 | tastapod | will the other guys reinstall? |
| 12:09.54 | tastapod | wols_: dpkg -r says it has dependencies |
| 12:10.07 | tastapod | apt-get remove says it's going to uninstall lots of other stuff (squirrelmail, wordpress, etc) |
| 12:10.29 | wols_ | tastapod: since you don't want to read the dpkg manpage, and you don't want to listen what I said either, why in $deitys name should I waste more time with you? |
| 12:10.41 | tastapod | wols_: I did read the dpkg manual page |
| 12:10.55 | wols_ | then read it again until you understand it? |
| 12:11.16 | wols_ | and I also said: don't do any automatic dependency checking. What's so unclear about it? |
| 12:11.22 | wols_ | why do you even try apt-get then? |
| 12:11.45 | tastapod | wols_: sorry I'm making you upset |
| 12:11.59 | wols_ | simply put: a user which hasn't even heard about --force options in dpkg is not suited for anything but stable |
| 12:12.32 | tralala | wols_, you can never feed the trolls enough |
| 12:12.39 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: here here! |
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| 12:13.29 | CharminTheMoose | <insert stuff hither> FTW |
| 12:13.50 | ]Gnea[ | but, testing is good to use, even for the newcomers |
| 12:13.57 | tastapod | wols_: I'm using --force |
| 12:14.02 | tastapod | so, I use --force-depends |
| 12:14.12 | tastapod | and remove apache2.2-common |
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| 12:14.33 | tastapod | dpkg -i apache2-common tells me there's a conflict with apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 12:14.43 | ]Gnea[ | CharminTheMoose: you want to recursively remove index.html? |
| 12:14.54 | CharminTheMoose | yes ]Gnea[ |
| 12:14.56 | wols_ | ]Gnea[: exactly my thought :) |
| 12:14.57 | tastapod | so if I then --force-depends remove that, won't I end up just unravelling everything anyway? |
| 12:15.00 | wols_ | CharminTheMoose: recursively? |
| 12:15.09 | CharminTheMoose | recursively recursively |
| 12:15.23 | wols_ | tastapod: what version is apache2-mpm-prefork ? |
| 12:15.23 | CharminTheMoose | yes wols_ |
| 12:15.24 | itchi | CharminTheMoose: index.html is not an dir |
| 12:15.41 | CharminTheMoose | is rm for files etc and rmdir for directories? |
| 12:15.45 | wols_ | itchi: don't spoil the fun. I wanted to see how long it takes him to get it! |
| 12:15.53 | ]Gnea[ | tastapod: have you checked the bug tracker for these packages? |
| 12:15.54 | itchi | wols_: haha :-p |
| 12:16.00 | tastapod | rm -r works for files too |
| 12:16.22 | wols_ | ]Gnea[: apache 2.2 is basically FUBAR in both sid and testing right now. stay away. faaar away |
| 12:16.25 | tastapod | ]Gnea[: yeah, I found some stuff last night (it blew up at about 11pm - typical) |
| 12:16.31 | CharminTheMoose | gaah stop toying with me! |
| 12:16.47 | wols_ | CharminTheMoose: then think more, talk less :) |
| 12:16.55 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: i knew there's a reason that i've always compiled apache on my own ;) |
| 12:16.56 | tastapod | thing is, I only looked after I'd dist-upgraded - which has been a very safe thing to do in my experience with debian testing |
| 12:17.14 | tastapod | so now I'm fuxxored and looking to downgrade safely to 2.0 and pin it there for a bit |
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| 12:17.26 | wols_ | ]Gnea[: personally, I think that mad rush to get etch out of the door has lead to many bad packages recently |
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| 12:17.33 | tastapod | wols_ is trying to help me but getting understandably frustrated :) |
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| 12:17.36 | itchi | CharminTheMoose: rm -r on an file works. Just that it is not yet the right way to proceed it. Looks like you have not the rights to remove that file |
| 12:17.42 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: that's not necessarily a bad thing |
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| 12:17.59 | nachos | hey |
| 12:18.00 | wols_ | ]Gnea[: it is, at least for #debian |
| 12:18.02 | tastapod | I'm wading through the dpkg man page but not really understanding how to back out apache2.2-common safely |
| 12:18.14 | wols_ | tastapod: answer my question please |
| 12:18.25 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: yeah, it's gonna take awhile for that whole pay-the-developer thing to really start working |
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| 12:19.02 | tastapod | 2.2.3-2 |
| 12:19.02 | nachos | is it just me or doesn't ifup automagicly configures via dhcp? |
| 12:19.03 | wols_ | ]Gnea[: there are paid DDs now? dunc tank paying out money? |
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| 12:19.09 | nachos | because it doesnt work for me. |
| 12:19.12 | tastapod | ah, I think I see where you're going with this |
| 12:19.14 | wols_ | tastapod: and now think really, really hard! |
| 12:19.26 | wols_ | !tell nachos about interfaces |
| 12:19.29 | ]Gnea[ | tastapod: ultimately, you'll probably need to just go ahead and remove it and allow it to remove anything that goes along with it, then install the 2.0 |
| 12:19.41 | tastapod | so basically, I need to hand-unravel anything that's 2.2, and manually replace it with the 2.0 package in /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 12:19.45 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: uh yeah, it's in test-mode right now |
| 12:19.58 | ]Gnea[ | tastapod: you got it |
| 12:20.08 | tastapod | ok, so then what about things like wordpress? |
| 12:20.18 | ]Gnea[ | what about wordpress? |
| 12:20.20 | tastapod | or do I just remove it --force-depends and hope everything is ok? |
| 12:20.33 | wols_ | tastapod: that's why I told you not to do use any automatic dependency checking... |
| 12:20.38 | wols_ | and do it all manualyl with dpkg |
| 12:20.40 | tastapod | wols_: gotcha |
| 12:20.48 | ]Gnea[ | yeah |
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| 12:20.54 | tastapod | ok, wish me luck - this is the first time I've picked stuff apart with dpkg |
| 12:21.17 | tastapod | I've installed manual packages and alien'ed stuff, but never messed around with the dependency voodoo |
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| 12:21.39 | wols_ | the trick is to make it all right and proper again when you're done |
| 12:21.56 | wols_ | if your wordpress now depends on apache 2.2 you might be up shit cree of course |
| 12:22.08 | wols_ | *creek |
| 12:22.31 | ]Gnea[ | i would imagine that wordpress could be easily compatible with 2.0 |
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| 12:22.58 | wols_ | can't see a reason why not either, but a wrong depends line is easily made :) |
| 12:23.08 | ]Gnea[ | heh |
| 12:23.15 | FabParma | hi |
| 12:23.23 | tastapod | wols_: this is all making sense :) |
| 12:23.39 | tastapod | so it's apache-utils, apache-mpm-prefork and apache-common that are interrelated |
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| 12:23.49 | tastapod | everything else just seems to depend on (>2.0.xx) |
| 12:23.58 | ]Gnea[ | bingo |
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| 12:24.16 | FabParma | which command to see my Debian verson? |
| 12:24.22 | qailer | uname -r |
| 12:24.25 | ]Gnea[ | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:24.27 | qailer | (kernel) |
| 12:24.36 | FabParma | thanx |
| 12:24.37 | ]Gnea[ | debian version != kernel version |
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| 12:24.50 | wols_ | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 12:24.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 |
| 12:25.03 | qailer | ]Gnea[: I just didn't understnad why he would want debian version :) |
| 12:25.09 | nachos | do i need dhcpcd/dhclient installed to use ifup? |
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| 12:25.22 | wols_ | nachos: no. depends on your interfaces file |
| 12:25.26 | ]Gnea[ | qailer: maybe that's none of your business :) |
| 12:25.29 | wols_ | you followed the advice dpkg gave you? |
| 12:25.47 | tralala | nachos, only if there is an interface using dhcp |
| 12:25.47 | qailer | ]Gnea[: yep :) |
| 12:26.01 | nachos | thanks tralala, that confirmed what the man-page said |
| 12:26.02 | wols_ | ]Gnea[: we're very nosy people here |
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| 12:26.16 | qailer | heh |
| 12:26.21 | ]Gnea[ | wols_: no shit? :) |
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| 12:46.58 | tastapod | wols_: phew! |
| 12:47.00 | tastapod | that was fiddly |
| 12:47.09 | tastapod | now apache isn't working - something in the config |
| 12:47.20 | tastapod | but that's ok, I can work that out |
| 12:47.32 | tastapod | dunno why it would have suddenly started failing just by a downgrade |
| 12:47.40 | tastapod | anyway, thanks for your help |
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| 12:49.31 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 12:49.32 | Mazingaro | please |
| 12:49.51 | Mazingaro | my cups installation it's totally screwed up :) |
| 12:50.06 | Mazingaro | I cannot install a new printer (client-error) |
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| 12:52.28 | qailer | Mazingaro: how is your way of configuring? |
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| 12:54.09 | Mazingaro | qailer: via kde and localhost:631 |
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| 12:55.15 | qailer | Mazingaro: the http sure is a mess... |
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| 12:55.37 | Mazingaro | qailer: I think it's the sock problem as ever |
| 12:55.58 | qailer | Mazingaro: I had some problems with users on that thing |
| 12:56.15 | qailer | Mazingaro: can you do it from command line? |
| 12:56.42 | Mazingaro | qailer: ??? |
| 12:57.30 | qailer | Mazingaro: which is the purpose of your printer? is it supposed to be used from others on a network? |
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| 12:58.18 | Mazingaro | /var/run/cups/cups.sock |
| 12:58.21 | Mazingaro | qailer: sure |
| 12:58.32 | Mazingaro | qailer: I printed with it since the last upgrade :) |
| 12:59.27 | qailer | Mazingaro: ohh, then I was far from the problem |
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| 13:01.43 | qailer | Mazngaro: unstable? |
| 13:01.49 | qailer | Mazingaro* |
| 13:03.39 | repp | Hi, i'm trying to understand what are the relation between swsusp, swsusp2 and uswsusp. Could someone help me? Thanks |
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| 13:05.39 | valdyn | repp: swsusp is in the kernel, swsusp2 is an external patch, uswsusp is by the swsusp developers, putting everything possible into userspace instead of kernel |
| 13:06.02 | qailer | Mazingaro: try adding "Listen <myHostname>:631 " to "/etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf" |
| 13:06.05 | valdyn | repp: most functional might be swsusp2 right now, ymmv |
| 13:06.28 | amphi | repp: swsusp works fine here |
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| 13:07.09 | Mazingaro | qailer: ok |
| 13:07.13 | repp | valdyn, amphi: is uswsusp in the vanilla tree? |
| 13:07.27 | valdyn | repp: its not in the kernel at all, its userspace tools |
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| 13:08.07 | Mazingaro | qailer: there's no cups.d directory |
| 13:08.07 | valdyn | repp: you want to google for your hardware and use whatever has a howto or success story for your hardware |
| 13:08.15 | cyzie | how do i share my printer over the network using samba? |
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| 13:08.25 | repp | valdyn, amphi: i'm trying to use the uswsusp package in debian but i don't understand how to use it. i've enabled swsusp in the kernel, suspended with s2disk (from the uswsusp package) but when i reboot the kernel does not recognize the suspend signature in the swap space |
| 13:08.43 | kevu | is rc.local executed after the X server (with wm)? |
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| 13:08.51 | amphi | cyzie: the 'using samba' book is online at openbooks.oreilly.com FWIW |
| 13:08.55 | qailer | Mazingaro: strange and stupid of me |
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| 13:09.02 | repp | valdyn: until now i've always used echo disk > /sys/power/state, but i like the idea of using userspace tools to do the job, so i was trying uswsusp |
| 13:09.05 | bigusdickus | kevu, the rc.local scripts tell you when it is run |
| 13:09.12 | tastapod | thanks guys |
| 13:09.17 | tastapod | apache back up and running :) |
| 13:09.22 | bigusdickus | kevu, just open it with an editor and see is in the first commentary |
| 13:09.40 | itchi | Hey, i'm looking on tuxmobile. Looks like i can install linux on my N 3220. Stupid question, but how we do that? I can not imagine that on my basic mobile |
| 13:09.44 | tastapod | one more stupid question - how do I tell apt to now ignore these packages, ie to assume they're pinned? |
| 13:10.09 | itchi | I'm on an looks like howto, but these not talk about how to, these just show some output of it after it's already installed |
| 13:10.23 | valdyn | repp: read the description of the uswsusp package? |
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| 13:10.34 | tastapod | is it as simple as dpkg hold? |
| 13:10.35 | craigevil | tastapod: "hold" is echo package hold|dpkg --set-selections |
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| 13:11.22 | repp | valdyn: ah maybe the use of the initramfs is mandatory.. oops |
| 13:11.22 | kevu | bigusdickus: what do you mean? #!/bin/sh ? |
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| 13:11.35 | tastapod | craigevil: and that will also play nice with apt-get? |
| 13:11.41 | craigevil | yes |
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| 13:11.45 | tastapod | excellent |
| 13:11.46 | wols_ | !hold |
| 13:11.46 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 13:11.49 | tastapod | thanks for your help guys |
| 13:12.09 | bigusdickus | kevu, that is not a commentary, that's the shebang |
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| 13:12.24 | qailer | Mazingaro: sry, can't help ya, to far away from kde problems.. maye this can help you http://www.nabble.com/problems-printing-with-cups-1.2-t1801122.html |
| 13:12.28 | miranda82 | hi people |
| 13:12.36 | tastapod | wols_: wajig hold also works |
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| 13:13.07 | miranda82 | is there any command to see what is the actual speed of my cpy while it's working? i mean, not a cat /proc/cpuinfo, something more... real |
| 13:13.25 | valdyn | miranda82: define real |
| 13:13.39 | valdyn | miranda82: /proc/cpuinfo does show the current speed |
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| 13:14.07 | wols_ | miranda82: specint, specfpu |
| 13:14.18 | miranda82 | i want something more accurate |
| 13:14.25 | valdyn | miranda82: accurate? |
| 13:14.37 | wols_ | miranda82: what kind of units? |
| 13:14.52 | miranda82 | i mean |
| 13:15.00 | valdyn | miranda82: you dont know what you want? |
| 13:15.01 | miranda82 | does it only works at 1.6 or 2.8? |
| 13:15.11 | kevu | bigusdickus: i'm not on linux right now, so can you paste that line? |
| 13:15.21 | wols_ | miranda82: that's Ghz. and cpuinfo is exactly what you want |
| 13:15.51 | itchi | It's more to work with your mobile and computer together. Not realy installing on an GNU/Linux box on it?? I had heard that some mobiles can run Python now. Someone experiences in this? |
| 13:15.55 | wols_ | of course megahurtz says nothing about speed at all |
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| 13:16.22 | wols_ | itchi: ask a series60 channel/forum, not here |
| 13:17.04 | bigusdickus | kevu, sure |
| 13:17.04 | itchi | wols_: Yup, i want Debian on my mobile :-p |
| 13:17.05 | bigusdickus | kevu: "This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel." |
| 13:17.12 | wols_ | itchi: there are some motorola phones with linux |
| 13:17.20 | wols_ | but I sure hope none is running debian |
| 13:17.30 | miranda82 | wols_, but cpuinfo is'n t a gdesklet? |
| 13:17.31 | itchi | wols_: Hhhm, i need to check some concerned channels ;-) |
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| 13:17.44 | valdyn | haha |
| 13:17.50 | wols_ | miranda82: cpuinfo is a (pseudo) file: /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:17.52 | solemnwarning | Is it possible to use the keys on a USB numpad as multimedia keys? |
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| 13:18.05 | solemnwarning | And not affect the numpad on my PS/2 one? |
| 13:18.20 | miranda82 | wols_, yeah, yeah, so... i mean, it only shows, or 2,8 ghz or 1.6 |
| 13:18.39 | wols_ | miranda82: and? |
| 13:18.39 | miranda82 | wols_, i change my question , how can i install something to scale the processor speed? |
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| 13:19.17 | wols_ | speedstep, powernow3d, cpufreqd |
| 13:19.23 | amphi | miranda82: assuming you have the kernel support, you can use sysfs to change governors |
| 13:19.25 | wols_ | lots of stuff there. is hardware dependent |
| 13:19.36 | miranda82 | so it's possible |
| 13:19.39 | miranda82 | cool |
| 13:19.40 | miranda82 | thx guys |
| 13:19.41 | wols_ | of course it is |
| 13:20.01 | amphi | miranda82: it's not necessary to use any of those daemons |
| 13:20.34 | valdyn | miranda82: doubt its worth the effort to manually change cpu speed |
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| 13:21.05 | miranda82 | valdyn, lol, just to know if it can be done... scaling it down... would improve my laptop battery.. |
| 13:21.08 | itchi | wols_: On #Series60, there is nobody. Know you maybe another specific channel for that subject. Still searching here without great results |
| 13:21.22 | valdyn | miranda82: now you could have told us that earlier |
| 13:21.32 | miranda82 | valdyn, sorrry... |
| 13:21.42 | valdyn | miranda82: there's a few power saving packages you can install, specifically for laptops |
| 13:21.54 | miranda82 | oh.. |
| 13:21.57 | miranda82 | tell me tell me |
| 13:22.03 | kevu | bigusdickus: so if i add a line in the rc.local file that's a console program and have set the multiuser runlevel with X, when linux boots it should execute that program in xterm from within KDE. is that right? |
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| 13:22.09 | valdyn | miranda82: 'powersaved' does alot of things at once |
| 13:22.21 | miranda82 | i mean, i really don, t need 1.6 GHz while i'm out with my laptop.. |
| 13:22.50 | bigusdickus | miranda82, it only shows 2.8 or 1.6 because there are only a few levels the frequency can change if you see your kern.log file you will get powernow-k8: 0 : fid 0x10 (2400 MHz), vid 0x2,powernow-k8: 1 : fid 0xe (2200 MHz), vid 0x6 ,powernow-k8: 2 : fid 0xa (1800 MHz), vid 0xe , etc etc. |
| 13:23.01 | valdyn | miranda82: like for instance limiting your cpu rate to minimum when on battery |
| 13:23.19 | bigusdickus | see? you don't have a frequency of 2123 or 1801 or 2199, and the tools report that fact too |
| 13:23.44 | miranda82 | bigusdickus, does having value stepping "9" have something to do with that? |
| 13:23.59 | bigusdickus | miranda82, no stepping is just the revision number of the processor |
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| 13:24.03 | miranda82 | oh.. |
| 13:24.04 | miranda82 | sorry |
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| 13:24.44 | miranda82 | the ik8 utils never have worked for me.. |
| 13:24.51 | miranda82 | i8k |
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| 13:28.33 | valdyn | miranda82: im using powersaved, 'apt-get install powersaved' edit /etc/powersave/common and set BATTERY_SCHEME to whatever you like, and adjust the appropriate scheme file in the same directory if you want |
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| 13:39.30 | Pinky123 | I started compiling something in a console window but now I need to restart and Im already 3 hours into compile and it has 5 hours left, how do close the console w/out it stopping make? |
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| 13:40.01 | sts | hello folks |
| 13:40.30 | sts | yesterday i upgraded my debian system, it came with apache 2.2 (debian/testing) but now i can't find mod_fastcgi for apache. |
| 13:40.37 | sts | apache2 actually. |
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| 13:41.32 | valdyn | Pinky123: make continuese at where you stopped it, thats its whole point |
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| 13:41.47 | valdyn | Pinky123: or nearly its whole point.. |
| 13:42.05 | sts | its somewhat strange because packages.d.o shows me mod_fastcgi.so in web/libapache2-mod-fastcgi but when i click on the link, it returns an error. have a look: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=+mod_fastcgi.so&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 13:42.23 | valdyn | Pinky123: all it will do when you rerun it is check dates on already compiled stuff |
| 13:42.27 | Pinky123 | valdyn: ok thanks |
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| 13:59.34 | dob1 | hi |
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| 13:59.54 | Hoxzer | hi |
| 13:59.56 | dob1 | there are some problem to install debian on sata hd ? |
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| 14:00.25 | dob1 | i can download the standard iso ? |
| 14:00.39 | dob1 | Hoxzer ok but it's not mine this pc :) |
| 14:00.40 | Ronin | dob1: iirc stable has problems with sata |
| 14:00.58 | dob1 | Ronin: so what can i do? |
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| 14:01.08 | Ronin | dob1: etch/testing |
| 14:01.21 | Ronin | but idle around a bit, those the know more will give you a better answer |
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| 14:02.46 | dob1 | Ronin: ok, meanwhile i can download the etch iso, but it is on debian.org? |
| 14:03.02 | dob1 | never seen it, i have downloaded only the stable |
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| 14:05.16 | tastapod | ok, so I've downgraded apache2.2-common to apache2-common and held it |
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| 14:06.05 | tastapod | now when I do an apt-get -f install, it wants to install apache-common and libapache-mod-php5 and *remove* libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 14:07.57 | tastapod | how do I tell it that I definitely want libapache2-mod-php5 and not to install any of the apache 1 stuff? |
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| 14:08.13 | Mazingaro | qailer: no way |
| 14:08.15 | Mazingaro | :( |
| 14:08.53 | qailer | Mazingaro: noway the paper helped you? :S |
| 14:09.33 | Mazingaro | qailer: what paper? |
| 14:09.45 | qailer | Mazingaro: *the link |
| 14:09.54 | Mazingaro | ? |
| 14:09.58 | qailer | Mazingaro: what did you mean? |
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| 14:10.33 | Mazingaro | ah ok |
| 14:10.43 | Mazingaro | qailer: Now I see the link :) |
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| 14:11.04 | qailer | :) |
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| 14:12.59 | Mazingaro | qailer: I did, it was the same problem as ever: kdeprint is unable to handle the new cups way with socks... |
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| 14:14.37 | qailer | Mazingaro, I see now.. just walk over to gnome and be ahppy ;) |
| 14:14.46 | Skiver | tastapod : are you on Sid ? |
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| 14:15.25 | Mazingaro | qailer: I come from gnome... I prefer kde... Linus rules |
| 14:16.35 | qailer | Mazingaro: I see.. well good luck to ya, lunch time for me :) |
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| 14:16.49 | Mazingaro | qailer: thanks have a good lunch |
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| 14:18.46 | CAiRO | when can be the problem when after writing a cd (when k3b is finishing the cd) my whole system hangs for 3 or 4 seconds, xmms stops playing music etc? i've checked my ide dvd burner with hdparm and dma is already turned on |
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| 14:21.22 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:21.23 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 14:25.23 | S4nD3r | hi there !!! I need some help to use nis client in sarge box |
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| 14:27.04 | S4nD3r | Instalando nis (3.13-2) ... |
| 14:27.05 | S4nD3r | hostname: Unknown host |
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| 14:27.12 | S4nD3r | dpkg: erro processando nis (--configure): |
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| 14:27.34 | wols_ | you need help to use a pastebin |
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| 14:35.57 | chjunior | hi all |
| 14:36.07 | chjunior | can somebody help-me with a network configuration? |
| 14:36.39 | Skiver | tarzeau, do I need to keep it on for weekly submission ? |
| 14:36.43 | Ronin | !tell chjunior about ask |
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| 14:36.58 | wireddd | can you have two video cards and still use acceleration on both of them? |
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| 14:37.09 | wols_ | yes |
| 14:37.27 | chjunior | Ronin, can you see if you can resolve milk-it.net ? |
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| 14:37.53 | wireddd | wols_: really? |
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| 14:38.46 | Ronin | works fine chjunior, looks like a webmail interface? |
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| 14:39.18 | Feax | Love is gonna save us |
| 14:39.35 | tarzeau | Skiver: yes |
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| 14:39.56 | tarzeau | Feax: from what? |
| 14:40.09 | wols_ | evil #debian |
| 14:40.14 | sint | hey, what i have to type in to install lighttpd? |
| 14:40.14 | tarzeau | chjunior: milk-it.net A 201.73.211.2 |
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| 14:40.23 | Deathkey | bonjour |
| 14:40.30 | tarzeau | sint: apt-get install pkg |
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| 14:40.33 | chjunior | i'm in a LAN, than I have a gateway, my network is configured to static ip address and pointing to the network correctly, my resolv.conf have two entries: nameserver 192.168.0.1 (that is the same of the gateway) and search bhz.virtua.com.br, that is mail internet provider....I can ping and resolv all the hosts, but I cant resolv this.... =/ |
| 14:40.35 | el_mexicano | hi |
| 14:40.42 | chjunior | tarzeau, Ronin |
| 14:40.52 | sint | tarzeau: pkg? |
| 14:40.58 | chjunior | tarzeau, what command did you run? |
| 14:41.01 | tarzeau | sint: you can find out using apt-cache search |
| 14:41.02 | sint | apt-get install lighttpd |
| 14:41.08 | sint | this is what i've typed in |
| 14:41.10 | wols_ | chjunior: dig milk-it.net |
| 14:41.17 | tarzeau | chjunior: host |
| 14:41.22 | sint | but it tells me it can't find it |
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| 14:41.34 | sint | tarzeau: i'll give it a try |
| 14:41.39 | Feax | tarzeau: from the dead :P |
| 14:41.40 | tarzeau | sint: find it here, got sid |
| 14:41.56 | chjunior | tarzeau, "host"? "dig"? I don't have none of these |
| 14:41.56 | wols_ | !info lighttpd |
| 14:42.02 | dpkg | lighttpd: (A fast webserver with minimal memory footprint), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.13-4 (sid), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 732 kB |
| 14:42.04 | el_mexicano | wie reinstalliere ich apache2 komplett?`ich habe zuerst apt-get remove --purge apache2-mpm-prefork ausgeführt, aber nun läst sich apache nicht mehr neu installieren weil /etc/apache2/apache2.conf nicht mehr existiert?! |
| 14:42.06 | sint | "apt-cache search lighttpd" does nothing! :( |
| 14:42.06 | tarzeau | chjunior: apt-get install it? |
| 14:42.12 | tarzeau | sint: it does so, here |
| 14:42.20 | chjunior | tarzeau, doing |
| 14:42.21 | tarzeau | sint: look at packages.debian.org ? |
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| 14:42.55 | cyzie | what is the command to add/remove locale after the system is installed? |
| 14:43.01 | chjunior | tarzeau, wols_, Ronin: host milk-it.net => milk-it.net A record currently not present |
| 14:43.12 | tarzeau | chjunior: maybe your dns server is bad? |
| 14:43.13 | the_mug | el_mexicano: you're a Deutsch-speaking mexican? |
| 14:43.42 | chjunior | tarzeau, I don't think so..... people of the same network are resolving milk-it.net |
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| 14:43.46 | el_mexicano | yes, sorry if send the question to the wrong debian channel |
| 14:43.53 | tarzeau | chjunior: maybe your host is bad? |
| 14:44.05 | Deathkey | bye here |
| 14:44.05 | sint | tarzeau: packages.debian.org tells me: Can't find that package, at least not in that suite and on that architecture. |
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| 14:44.11 | chjunior | tarzeau, what host? milk-it.net? |
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| 14:44.14 | sint | maybe it's not in the aptthing |
| 14:44.18 | wols_ | !de |
| 14:44.19 | dpkg | de is, like, Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 14:44.19 | vezult | the_mug: that's probably less rare than an american who speaks anything other than english |
| 14:44.19 | tarzeau | sint: then change the suite or the architecture? |
| 14:44.26 | tarzeau | sint: it is, for me |
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| 14:45.21 | the_mug | vezult: :-) |
| 14:45.32 | sint | tarzeau: ok, its in unstable |
| 14:45.40 | wols_ | !info lighttpd sarge |
| 14:45.48 | sint | so how to get my system to install unstable packages? |
| 14:45.56 | tarzeau | sint: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 14:46.00 | wols_ | backports or simply sid backport |
| 14:46.02 | tarzeau | sint: and put that into your sources.list ? |
| 14:46.07 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 14:46.08 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 14:46.16 | chjunior | and then.....some Idea? |
| 14:46.45 | wols_ | chjunior: could be your DNS server from your ISP sucks |
| 14:46.49 | sint | tarzeau: thanks i think i'll get this to work. shouldn't be that hard :) |
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| 14:47.04 | tarzeau | sint: no you should read the sid faq |
| 14:47.12 | sint | ok |
| 14:47.52 | chjunior | wols_, tarzeau, wait a minute |
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| 14:49.12 | sint | tarzeau: the first line in "how do i install sid" tells me i don't want to install sid. is unstable that bad? |
| 14:49.21 | sint | i just wanna have lighttpd |
| 14:49.32 | wols_ | !tell sint about simple sid backport |
| 14:49.45 | wols_ | sint: that is if you have already search for lighttpd on backports.org |
| 14:49.53 | el_mexicano | howto reinstall apche2 completly? i tried apt-get --purge remove apache2 , this removes apache2, but after the reinstallation of apache2 i can't start apache: reason /etc/apache2/apache2.conf not found |
| 14:50.08 | tarzeau | sint: i'm using it since 5 years |
| 14:50.16 | tarzeau | sint: then you don't want sid |
| 14:50.21 | tarzeau | sint: you want what wols_ told you |
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| 14:51.51 | stew | el_mexicano: purge apache2-common as well, its the one that has the config files |
| 14:51.55 | sint | tarzeau: hehe, i'm not realy sure what i want i'm using debian since 5min. so if you use sid since 5 years it should be working for the things i want to do :) |
| 14:52.07 | cyzie | what is the command to add/remove locale after the system is installed? |
| 14:52.15 | beardy | !locales |
| 14:52.15 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 14:52.46 | beardy | Don't change the system locale, leave it as C, only change your users language enviornment variables. |
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| 14:54.01 | Gnurdux | does debian use UTF-8 by default now? |
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| 14:54.27 | Tomasso | is tehre any way to know the system's hardware configuration? |
| 14:54.31 | stew | Gnurdux: no |
| 14:54.40 | cyzie | beardy, waht is the implication if i dont use C but use en_US.ISO-8859-15" ?? |
| 14:54.54 | Tomasso | i wanna know how much ram, hard disk, and processor this computer has |
| 14:55.16 | amphi | Tomasso: hwinfo perhaps |
| 14:55.27 | stew | Tomasso: cat /proc/meminfo /proc/cpuinfo ; fdisk -l |
| 14:56.23 | Tomasso | amphi: le me check |
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| 14:57.16 | cydork | !tell Tomasso about whats my hardware |
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| 14:57.43 | Tomasso | amphi: didnt work.. gonna check second choice |
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| 14:58.13 | cyzie | brb |
| 14:58.23 | Tomasso | thanks ! :D |
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| 15:00.20 | oldsparky | 'giorno |
| 15:00.41 | sint | tarzeau: ok, i've read the sid faq, but i have no idea how to move an working system over to sid |
| 15:00.48 | sint | is there another faq |
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| 15:00.51 | sint | or maybe a wiki |
| 15:00.54 | sint | ? |
| 15:01.08 | GuySoft | hi, is there a debian way to install the gaim plugin pack? |
| 15:01.08 | Ronin | sint: then maybe you shouldnt be looking at sid |
| 15:01.37 | sint | :/ |
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| 15:02.01 | sint | why not, i mean this faq just told me not to move to sid |
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| 15:02.18 | sint | but the only 2 packages i was searching for are marked as unstable |
| 15:02.21 | sint | lighttpd |
| 15:02.25 | sint | and icecast |
| 15:02.34 | cydork | sint, are you using sarge? |
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| 15:02.39 | Braindead | !tell sint about backports |
| 15:02.40 | sint | don't know |
| 15:02.54 | wols | sint: haven't we already established that sid is not for you? |
| 15:02.59 | sint | system was working alread when i came tehre |
| 15:03.00 | sint | there |
| 15:03.03 | Braindead | sint: read again. and considering how much clue you lack really stay away from sid for the time being |
| 15:03.15 | Ronin | Braindead: little rough :) |
| 15:03.25 | wols | sint: I gave you two choices long ago: backports.org and a simple sid backport |
| 15:03.32 | wols | why are you ignoring both of them? |
| 15:03.41 | sint | ok, maybe i should use the backport |
| 15:03.45 | wols | Ronin: truth may hurt, it's still the truth |
| 15:03.51 | Ronin | wols: true |
| 15:03.59 | MatBoy | cydork, he man ! Long time no see ! |
| 15:04.01 | deeem | !tell deeem about backports |
| 15:04.15 | cydork | !tell deeem about msg the bot |
| 15:04.16 | wols | !tell deeem about msg |
| 15:04.20 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:04.20 | deeem | uh ok thanks. |
| 15:04.22 | cydork | MatBoy, hiya :) |
| 15:04.31 | MatBoy | cydork, everything well ? |
| 15:04.40 | wireddd | sint: I tried out icecast, complete waste of time |
| 15:04.44 | wols | MatBoy: not since you're here again |
| 15:04.57 | MatBoy | wols, did I ask you anything ?? :p |
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| 15:05.03 | sint | wireddd: why? |
| 15:05.06 | sint | it works |
| 15:05.13 | wireddd | not very well |
| 15:05.26 | sint | is this a joke? |
| 15:05.37 | sint | i'm running it since ages |
| 15:05.38 | Ronin | sint: not likely but which part specifically? |
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| 15:06.25 | wireddd | I had alot of stbility problems with icecast |
| 15:06.41 | sint | strange |
| 15:07.02 | sint | i run it with together with both, mpd and ices2 |
| 15:07.31 | wols | wireddd: how can a simple userland app give you stability problems? |
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| 15:11.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:11.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 15:12.02 | wols | why is this cow only weighing twice as much as me? 140kg is not a cow |
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| 15:13.15 | Feax | yes I have mooed today |
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| 15:15.29 | craigevil | more like a calf 308lbs is an average weight for calves |
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| 15:17.13 | snollox | Would something like this be able to run Linux well? http://pastebin.ca/232755 |
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| 15:18.42 | wols | snollox: it's called overkill |
| 15:18.50 | snollox | How you mean? |
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| 15:19.04 | Braindead | snollox: you need at least 4gb of ram to run TEH leenoks |
| 15:19.13 | Braindead | or at least 3000$ of hardware |
| 15:19.16 | snollox | lol |
| 15:19.22 | sint | yippi!! backports is simple! lighttpd is running :) |
| 15:19.33 | wols | snollox: my 486 runs linux well |
| 15:19.37 | sint | thanks folks! :) |
| 15:19.48 | wols | and if I had a 386 somewhere still, I'm sure it would too |
| 15:19.54 | snollox | I know that it has the power, I am wondering about the hardware compatibility |
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| 15:20.15 | Braindead | snollox: yeah "Asus MOBO" works with TEH leenoks |
| 15:20.22 | cyzie | beardy, u still there? |
| 15:20.25 | kml | I have setup multi virtual host files in /etc/apache2/sites-available, what i need to do need to do to enable multi virtual host on apache2? |
| 15:20.39 | diskus | hmm... have to try lighttpd :P |
| 15:20.42 | snollox | Braindead: How about this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131028 |
| 15:20.42 | Braindead | snollox: too bad that LIAN LI PC-65B Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case needs a proprietary driver |
| 15:20.47 | diskus | thanks for info that there is such thing |
| 15:20.47 | snollox | haha |
| 15:20.50 | snollox | lol |
| 15:21.03 | wols | oh, the sata stuff will make most linux distros refuse to install except on 2.6.18 if you're lucky, the video card needs proprietary drivers to work. |
| 15:21.07 | wols | apart from that, it's fine |
| 15:22.21 | Gnurdux | also why spend that kind of money on a mobo? |
| 15:22.30 | snollox | What? Why can't the sata work in Linux? |
| 15:22.59 | Gnurdux | snollox: its the PATA, and it can |
| 15:23.14 | wols | Gnurdux: it's the BESTEST!!elevenone |
| 15:23.17 | Gnurdux | but only in 2.6.18 or better, because of driver issues |
| 15:24.13 | Gnurdux | my friend is getting this mobo: |
| 15:24.20 | snollox | Ok. I am not that experienced, what sort of Mobo would do the same thing? Support the ram, hard drive, and nvidia 7900gtx, I mean? |
| 15:24.24 | Gnurdux | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135026 |
| 15:24.37 | Gnurdux | oh, 800 ram? |
| 15:24.41 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 15:24.54 | sint | diskus: you should try it. works fine it need less power then a full blown apache |
| 15:25.16 | sint | and its the perfect solution for rails |
| 15:25.18 | wols | sint: and can only use fast-cgi for things like php |
| 15:25.28 | snollox | Gnurdux: Yeah. I need this computer really fast for 3D animation |
| 15:25.43 | wols | Gnurdux: at that price I might rather look at some other manufacturer for mobos in that price region |
| 15:25.47 | sint | wols: but it works |
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| 15:25.58 | diskus | sint: well I mostly need light php and nothing more, and I see that it does support php |
| 15:26.03 | wols | sint: IIS works for php. doesn't mean you'd want to use it |
| 15:26.05 | cjari | hello |
| 15:26.21 | cjari | I would have one question about aptitude, if any one has used that? |
| 15:26.31 | wols | cjari: never ask to ask |
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| 15:26.39 | sint | wols: IIS needs windows. so its not worthy for a discussion |
| 15:26.41 | sint | ;) |
| 15:26.52 | wols | sint: it's an example |
| 15:26.54 | cjari | wols : sorry im not sure what you mean :) |
| 15:27.01 | wols | and I wonder how you use session based php stuff with it |
| 15:27.03 | cjari | im not english |
| 15:27.04 | Gnurdux | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131071 this is also superexpensive, also ASUS |
| 15:27.11 | Gnurdux | but it should work |
| 15:27.19 | Ronin | cjari: just ask your real question |
| 15:27.38 | sint | maybe its bad php need fastcgi, but apache needs more recources |
| 15:27.43 | wols | Gnurdux: there is also some asus boards that only cost 100$ approx |
| 15:27.59 | sint | diskus: it supports almost everything apache does |
| 15:28.10 | Gnurdux | wols: yes |
| 15:28.12 | cjari | ok, well when you press enter in aptitude so that it "enter" in package/item to view it's depencies etc then how do you get back to the main package list? |
| 15:28.26 | Gnurdux | snollox: basically the issue is the JMicron RAID controller |
| 15:28.30 | Gnurdux | it works ins 2.6.18 |
| 15:28.34 | pickcoder | Monarch has awsome prices on bare bones stuff |
| 15:28.41 | snollox | Well, I don't have a raid anyway |
| 15:28.50 | Gnurdux | all the P965 boards have it |
| 15:28.53 | wols | pickcoder: monarch is almost bankrupt. you don't want to buy there right now |
| 15:28.58 | Braindead | cjari: q |
| 15:28.59 | pickcoder | huh? |
| 15:29.03 | Gnurdux | snollox: somehow its necessary tho |
| 15:29.13 | wols | pickcoder: they stall on RMA |
| 15:29.28 | pickcoder | I've never had a problem |
| 15:29.28 | Gnurdux | snollox: if your getting a P965 one you can get one for like 100 $ less that will still support all your hardware |
| 15:29.47 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 15:30.12 | svizzero | anyone knows a command to let the computer speaker beep? |
| 15:30.12 | pickcoder | well they better not go under for another month. I still have warranty |
| 15:30.49 | Braindead | cjari: aptitude install aptitude-doc-en and then www-browser /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html |
| 15:30.49 | snollox | Gnurdux: P965? Is that the the E6600? |
| 15:31.05 | Gnurdux | snollox: no its the motherboard chipset, look at the title of the motherboard |
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| 15:31.14 | Braindead | svizzero: guess what? it's called "beep" |
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| 15:31.23 | pelzi_ | manufacturers take care of warranty |
| 15:31.36 | Jabka | anyone here from be'er sheva ? |
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| 15:31.43 | svizzero | Braindead, but it doesn't run |
| 15:31.49 | pickcoder | I purchased replacement warranty from Monarch on the pieces of 3 servers I just built |
| 15:31.51 | Braindead | !doesn't work |
| 15:31.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 15:31.55 | cjari | thanks braindead |
| 15:32.11 | Leonidas | hi. How do I block outgoint connections to certain hosts using iptables? |
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| 15:32.37 | pickcoder | oh well.. Insight is still around and I get a nice discount there. |
| 15:32.42 | Braindead | Leonidas: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ |
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| 15:32.43 | pickcoder | never had a problem with returns |
| 15:32.53 | Jabka | Ronin: nice one ... im starting new LUG .. |
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| 15:33.19 | pelzi_ | if you bought it, it has to be taken care of by someone |
| 15:33.27 | Jabka | Ronin : btw what brand ? |
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| 15:34.07 | Ronin | Jabka: anything i make, small micro brewerys as well |
| 15:34.12 | Leonidas | Braindead: I've found this: iptables -I INPUT -s 25.55.55.55 -j DROP, but it does not work for outgoing connections. Changing INPUT to OUTPUT does not help. |
| 15:34.33 | Braindead | Leonidas: getting a clue of what you're actually doing could really help |
| 15:34.40 | Braindead | like what -s or -d mean... |
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| 15:34.44 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 15:35.09 | Leonidas | Braindead: ah, sure. Oh, changing -s to -d really could help a lot :D |
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| 15:35.39 | LinuxHelp | My /var/log/exim/mainlog on debs stable is giving me a "failed to open DB file /var/spool/exim/db/wait-remote_smtp: File exists" what does this message mean exactly? It seems quite contradictory |
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| 15:35.55 | zck | hi |
| 15:35.58 | Jabka | Ronin: hmm beer x86 sounds nice at least do you share it ? |
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| 15:36.12 | Ronin | Jabka: of course, thats 1/2 the fun |
| 15:36.29 | Jabka | Ronin : :D |
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| 15:36.40 | zck | apt-get upgrade, debian testing |
| 15:36.40 | zck | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.40 | zck | eeyore-: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:36.45 | zck | ¿? |
| 15:36.53 | zck | suggestions? |
| 15:37.06 | Braindead | chek the BTS? |
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| 15:37.13 | Braindead | s/check/check/ |
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| 15:37.35 | LinuxHelp | Braindead, your name literally glows on my monitor |
| 15:37.56 | LinuxHelp | Quite unnerving actually |
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| 15:38.01 | sint | whats the correct package for usually mysql? |
| 15:38.54 | sint | apt-get won't install mysql. package seem just to be a dependency |
| 15:38.55 | Braindead | LinuxHelp: I don't use gaim so I don't know what's wrong with your client. and I couldn't care less btw |
| 15:38.57 | zck | Braindead: BTS? |
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| 15:39.08 | Ronin | !tell zck about BTS |
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| 15:39.25 | zck | thanks Ronin , Braindead |
| 15:39.25 | sint | only available from another source |
| 15:39.35 | Braindead | sint: aptitude search ~n^mysql |
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| 15:40.06 | Braindead | there's a little feature called "search",use it before asking here |
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| 15:40.45 | sint | Braindead: thanks. but the search is not used to newbies |
| 15:41.02 | sint | could be more easy like .. apt-search "name" |
| 15:41.40 | Braindead | sint: apt-cache search. but aptitude search is way more powerful. anyway RTFM if you cannot even search for packages and you have to ask here every time |
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| 15:42.33 | flapdrol | Hello, |
| 15:42.37 | flapdrol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:43.13 | valdyn | !avidemux |
| 15:43.18 | craigevil | flapdrol: http://linuxmovies.org/software.html |
| 15:43.24 | valdyn | flapdrol: avidemux |
| 15:43.31 | flapdrol | valdyn: thanks. I'll look into it |
| 15:43.33 | Cometo | From where can i get the nvidia-glx package for testing? |
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| 15:43.51 | valdyn | Cometo: from unstable |
| 15:44.07 | LinuxHelp | So nobody knows any way to fix "failed to open DB file /var/spool/exim/db/wait-remote_smtp: File exists" ? |
| 15:44.13 | Braindead | !tell Cometo about etch nvidia |
| 15:44.52 | wols | pickcoder: http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2079.html |
| 15:45.03 | Cometo | isnt't there a possibility to get it for testing? |
| 15:45.09 | wols | pickcoder: they only started slipping recently, pointing to cashflow problems |
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| 15:45.12 | Braindead | dpkg already told ya |
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| 15:46.49 | xopher | how do you guys suggest using ps? eg 'ps aux, ps -A' etc, to get the best (most clear) output? |
| 15:47.18 | Braindead | xopher: how do you suggest I should use my swiss knife? |
| 15:47.19 | LinuxHelp | Cometo, the nvidia-glx packages in testing/unstable are all borked imo, just try to get the nvidia supplied installer working |
| 15:47.44 | valdyn | nvidia-glx packages from sid and even experimental work just fine |
| 15:47.53 | Braindead | LinuxHelp: you said my nick was glowing. does the word bullshit also glow in the dark? |
| 15:48.01 | LinuxHelp | valdyn, well we all have our own experiences |
| 15:48.01 | xopher | Braindead, not at all, you could cut yourself |
| 15:48.05 | Cometo | where ist the difference between sid and testing? |
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| 15:48.51 | valdyn | Cometo: sid is debians unstable branch, untested packages, usually work fine in testing but have not proven themselves |
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| 15:50.26 | smeg | xopher: I use aux, often with the 'w' for more detailed output. more often that not I'll grep for a particular pattern ps auxw | grep blah. If I want to really see what's going with the system as far as processed, I'll use top. |
| 15:50.28 | LinuxHelp | xopher, I just use ps axu |
| 15:50.46 | smeg | processes even. |
| 15:51.03 | xopher | allright, aux is what Ive been using too |
| 15:52.07 | smeg | where's a site to check current buglists, broken packages, etc., so I don't do an upgrade and find out after the fact that someting's borked? I know I could search bugs.debian.org |
| 15:52.18 | smeg | But is there a "standardized" site? |
| 15:52.19 | Braindead | !tell smeg about apt-listbugs |
| 15:52.22 | dererk[w] | could somebody please give me a hand with CVS ? |
| 15:52.40 | valdyn | !justask |
| 15:52.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 15:52.45 | smeg | Braindead: Danke. |
| 15:53.21 | dererk[w] | I need to add a user to a running CVS server, and I simply don't get something clear to do |
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| 15:56.26 | Cometo | can mpg123 play shoutcast streams? |
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| 15:57.07 | azureal | what does it mean if on a modprobe there is just pausing/freezing and no output? (but on modinfo there is) |
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| 15:58.25 | valdyn | azureal: that the module was loaded successfully |
| 15:59.03 | azureal | really? i still dont have sound.. |
| 15:59.33 | stew | azureal: freezing, like it never returns? |
| 15:59.34 | azureal | that can't be right.. |
| 15:59.38 | valdyn | azureal: it just means that the module was loaded successfully, it doesnt mean 'sound works now' |
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| 16:00.35 | azureal | haha, i know.. but i have to ctrl+c it to get back to prompt |
| 16:00.36 | valdyn | azureal: the fact that you even had to manually load a sound driver is a pretty strong hint that something is wrong |
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| 16:01.06 | valdyn | azureal: so the modprobe freezes permanently? thx info |
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| 16:02.14 | valdyn | azureal: so the modules cant be loaded. |
| 16:02.34 | azureal | i think it might be a different driver... |
| 16:02.39 | azureal | er..module |
| 16:02.50 | valdyn | azureal: you dont normally have to manually load a sound driver |
| 16:03.03 | azureal | i know... i messed it up |
| 16:03.18 | valdyn | !tell azureal -about ask |
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| 16:03.57 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 16:03.58 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. And make sure the volume is turned UP and are UNMUTED! |
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| 16:04.21 | stew | azureal: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 16:04.42 | georgy | hello, where can I see the packages installed for use with dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 16:05.07 | valdyn | georgy: that is all packages |
| 16:05.29 | stew | georgy: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*postinst ; though many wont do anything |
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| 16:07.34 | georgy | stew : thanks, It is what I needed |
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| 16:08.55 | Leonidas | is there a way of telling a bash-script not to exit on errors? |
| 16:09.14 | azureal | stew, ah, don't worry about it..i'm troubleshooting ubuntu sound, but I thought the procedures might be similar.. |
| 16:09.55 | abrotman | Leonidas: ask #bash |
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| 16:10.36 | Leonidas | abrotman: ok, I just thought someone here might know |
| 16:11.08 | azureal | another restart =/ |
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| 16:11.20 | blondie | windows user |
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| 16:13.02 | {UFA}NewsSGT | hi |
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| 16:13.25 | abrotman | useful |
| 16:13.35 | blondie | hello abrotman |
| 16:13.42 | abrotman | hi |
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| 16:16.30 | mrkris | i've never run across this until now, but for some reason, after installing apache2-mpm-prefork + libapache2-mod-php4, if i try to load an index.php file it forces me to download a .phtml file. any idea why this is? |
| 16:16.30 | DimmuR | any1 has info about firefox 2.0 for debian? |
| 16:16.48 | blondie | !iceweasel |
| 16:16.48 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 16:17.08 | DimmuR | thanks blondie |
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| 16:19.25 | mirak | hi, |
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| 16:19.48 | mirak | is there graphicall differences between ubuntu and debian or are all gui tools common to both distributions ? |
| 16:20.02 | wols | there are various differences |
| 16:20.08 | wols | debian != ubuntu |
| 16:20.21 | mirak | I am talking only about gui config tools |
| 16:20.38 | mirak | if they are all the same or not |
| 16:20.53 | wols | read what I wrote before you ask again |
| 16:20.57 | Ronin | mirak: dont know, we run debian :) |
| 16:21.06 | mirak | wols: I wasn't talking about themes |
| 16:21.17 | wols | where did I mention themes? |
| 16:21.32 | wols | do you need better reading comprehension? |
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| 16:21.35 | Ronin | wols: it was in code |
| 16:21.39 | mirak | wols: I just verify we are understanding each others |
| 16:21.49 | wols | mirak: no. you ignore what people say to you |
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| 16:22.00 | wols | and try to interpret in strange ways |
| 16:22.14 | mirak | wols: are you trying to flame or something ? |
| 16:22.22 | wols | Ronin: we do know btw. some people from #ubuntu coming here and asking strange questions about nonexistant packages |
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| 16:22.37 | wols | mirak: are you trying to troll and be dense on purpose or something? |
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| 16:22.55 | mirak | wols: no you are paranoid |
| 16:23.11 | mirak | my question is genuine |
| 16:23.13 | wols | mirak: and you dense? we might make a great duo. Like Pat and Patachon |
| 16:23.18 | wols | my answers are too |
| 16:23.52 | mirak | ok so lets get back to "there are various differences" |
| 16:24.05 | wols | yes there are. which answers your question |
| 16:24.17 | abrotman | mirak: the version of gnome that ubuntu uses isn't fully in debian yet |
| 16:24.34 | wols | and from what I told ronin you could deduce a lot too if you'd apply some text understanding |
| 16:24.47 | mirak | abrotman: ah ok so that's mostly dependent of gnome. that answers my question more precisely |
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| 16:25.14 | abrotman | mirak: well duh .. where did you think those GUI tools came from ? |
| 16:25.51 | mirak | abrotman: don't know, not all GTK2 applications are from Gnome |
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| 16:26.17 | GooE | what's the name of the "bsd rocess accounting log file" |
| 16:26.18 | GooE | ? |
| 16:26.20 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu where they get them |
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| 16:26.46 | mirak | ok |
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| 16:28.52 | hooya | hi, anyone use the IBM DS4700 storage box with debian? |
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| 16:31.42 | sobersabre | hi, I am trying to regretfully use webmin package. |
| 16:31.54 | sobersabre | just to see how it is or looks like |
| 16:32.13 | sobersabre | but, something strange is happening ( relatively to what I've seen on their homepage ") |
| 16:32.15 | mirak | wols: mandriva have it's own config tools, independant of gnome or kde I think |
| 16:32.33 | sobersabre | I can only see 2 modules: "command shell" and "custom commands" |
| 16:32.39 | sobersabre | and that's all. |
| 16:32.54 | sobersabre | but, I have apt-get install'ed all the possible modules I could need. |
| 16:33.03 | sobersabre | is this a known issue ? |
| 16:33.39 | zck | el cesar de que esta enfermo? |
| 16:33.43 | zck | sorry |
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| 16:33.59 | sobersabre | zck ... debian-es can maybe help... |
| 16:34.01 | sobersabre | :) |
| 16:34.16 | sobersabre | or is it pt ? |
| 16:34.33 | sobersabre | or pt-br ? |
| 16:34.46 | wols | !pt |
| 16:34.46 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:35.01 | zck | sobersabre: it's spanish |
| 16:35.04 | Ronin | !es |
| 16:35.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:35.18 | Ronin | or in english here as you speak it apparently :) |
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| 16:36.29 | zck | 17:33:42 < zck> sorry |
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| 16:36.55 | zck | I think I was in another window |
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| 16:36.58 | Ronin | heh think we've all done that one |
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| 16:38.23 | EvilDin | hi, how can i install Zend Optimizer ? |
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| 16:38.56 | wols | ask zend |
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| 16:40.35 | EvilDin | is there any package on this zend-optimizer |
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| 16:42.22 | nvz | wtf is a zend optimizer |
| 16:42.42 | wols | proprietary software for php to speed it up |
| 16:42.45 | smiler | its not an "a", its a program :P |
| 16:42.50 | spikeb | it's obvious - an optimizer for zens. |
| 16:42.51 | EvilDin | it is connected with php, zend optimize and encode php source |
| 16:42.52 | wols | EvilDin: again, ask zend |
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| 16:42.58 | smiler | its quite nice |
| 16:43.02 | wols | EvilDin: it cannot be in debian |
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| 16:43.47 | smiler | EvilDin: check their documentation, its quite simple to install it by hand |
| 16:44.05 | ton | my squid is disconneting the messanger each time aprox 2 minutes how to avoid it, i have run firewall and squid on my server |
| 16:46.22 | chjunior | guys, where can I download the dig command? |
| 16:46.37 | wols | !tell chjunior about search |
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| 16:47.30 | chjunior | wols, nothing found in apt-cache search dig |
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| 16:48.20 | valdyn | chjunior: why search for a package when you are looking for a command? |
| 16:49.22 | chjunior | valdyn, I don't know.... maybe the command is inside a package... |
| 16:49.36 | craigevil | chjunior: the host package conatins the dig command |
| 16:49.42 | valdyn | chjunior: well it is, but apt-cache search searches packages and its descriptions |
| 16:49.54 | rgsteele | Man, the day after Halloween is the worst. All the coworkers bring in the leftover candy to taunt you with. |
| 16:50.24 | Ronin | rgsteele: wait till it gets closer to christmas too |
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| 16:50.31 | chjunior | valdyn.... yeah |
| 16:50.38 | DimmuR | chjunior, use apt-file |
| 16:50.45 | rgsteele | Worse yet, Thanksgiving. It's a holiday dedicated to stuffing your face. |
| 16:50.55 | chjunior | craigevil # apt-get install host |
| 16:50.55 | chjunior | Reading package lists... Done |
| 16:50.55 | chjunior | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 16:50.56 | rgsteele | Terrible when you're trying to be healthy :) |
| 16:50.57 | chjunior | host is already the newest version. |
| 16:50.58 | Ronin | rgsteele: great isnt it |
| 16:51.06 | chjunior | # dig google.com |
| 16:51.07 | chjunior | bash: dig: command not found |
| 16:51.16 | rgsteele | Ronin: I have a love/hate relationship with Thanksgiving |
| 16:51.18 | rgsteele | Heh |
| 16:51.24 | DimmuR | chjunior, did you read what i wrote? :> |
| 16:51.32 | valdyn | chjunior: dpkg told you how to search, DimmuR did too |
| 16:51.32 | chjunior | apt-file? |
| 16:51.51 | DanBrwn | does kde work on sid? |
| 16:52.06 | chjunior | bash: apt-file: command not found |
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| 16:52.27 | stew | chjunior: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 16:52.27 | valdyn | chjunior: what's so hard about reading what dpkg told you? |
| 16:52.47 | chjunior | sorry |
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| 16:52.55 | valdyn | !search |
| 16:52.55 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 16:53.13 | chjunior | valdyn I read |
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| 16:53.33 | DimmuR | chjunior, if you have no apt-file then it's good to install it |
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| 16:53.36 | candyban | Hi guys |
| 16:53.54 | blondie | candyban: you can't ban candy. |
| 16:54.21 | Ronin | blondie: ? |
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| 16:54.35 | rgsteele | Sure he can. It saves us from all being fat. ::stares down the Baby Ruth in the candy bowl on the far side of the room:: |
| 16:54.55 | blondie | I don't eat "candy" and I'm still fat. |
| 16:54.59 | Ronin | blondie: why not, nuts are banned in a lot of places, candies just a baby step more to ban |
| 16:55.07 | blondie | nuts are banned?! |
| 16:55.18 | blondie | what are you talking about? :P |
| 16:55.19 | Ronin | blondie: thats cause you spend 24/7 on your butt in front of a computer :) |
| 16:55.22 | rgsteele | blondie: Well, candy wouldn't make the situation any better |
| 16:55.28 | blondie | no it's not, and I don't |
| 16:55.36 | blondie | rgsteele: it's fine in moderation |
| 16:55.50 | spikeb | being fat in moderation is fine? |
| 16:55.54 | rgsteele | blondie: Maybe for some. For me, 1 piece leads to another leads to another leads to 10 of em |
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| 16:56.26 | DanBrwn | no wonder you cant get a real question answered here! |
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| 16:56.47 | blondie | spikeb: probably yes, but I meant candy consumption. |
| 16:56.52 | Ronin | DanBrwn: just ask again when the silliness calms down, and you can always get a question answered here |
| 16:56.55 | spikeb | oh |
| 16:56.55 | spikeb | heh |
| 16:57.19 | blondie | Ronin: that's not true :( |
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| 16:57.25 | feross | hey guys and gals... Anyone can help me with 'find'... I'm running "find -cmin -500|xargs -0 mv /some/other/dir" but it does not work. Says something about the files I'm trying to move don't exist. I'm doing it in a sendmail mqueue so that might have something to do with it. |
| 16:57.27 | Ronin | blondie: shh |
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| 16:57.51 | blondie | feross: use -exec instead of piping to xargs. |
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| 16:58.02 | rgsteele | feross: you forgot print0 |
| 16:58.13 | windstorm | hello all |
| 16:58.16 | blondie | find somewhere -cmin -500 -exec mv {} /some/other/dir \; |
| 16:58.17 | rgsteele | feross: find -cmin -500 -print0 | xargs ... |
| 16:58.23 | rgsteele | Or, what blondie said |
| 16:58.29 | blondie | and you didn't specify where to look |
| 16:58.46 | feross | blondie: okwill try.. if that doesn't work I'll try what rgsteele said.. thanks |
| 16:58.55 | blondie | ok maybe you don't need to specify that c.c |
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| 17:00.31 | rgsteele | blondie: FWIW, I think what you wanted was "find somewhere -cmin -500 -exec mv /some/other/dir {} \; |
| 17:00.51 | rgsteele | Ack, no it's not |
| 17:00.54 | rgsteele | I'll shut up now |
| 17:00.58 | rgsteele | <,< >,< |
| 17:01.19 | rgsteele | Bah, I can't even emote suspicious lookarounds |
| 17:01.21 | abrotman | J$#JJ@#>>! |
| 17:01.23 | blondie | :P |
| 17:01.24 | rgsteele | <,< >,> |
| 17:01.25 | feross | hah.. ok had me worried there for a sec |
| 17:02.38 | rgsteele | Hm. I wonder what would happen if you needed a \ in one of the arguments in that syntax. Would you have to escape it with another \? |
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| 17:02.44 | NiCeBoY | hi |
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| 17:02.48 | blondie | rgsteele: yes |
| 17:03.00 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:03.01 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:03.10 | NiCeBoY | i want to kill all process "/usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL" can i have the command please i forget it |
| 17:03.27 | rgsteele | killall apache2 :) |
| 17:03.50 | Anarka | /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 17:04.05 | rgsteele | Anarka: He wanted to kill it. Ruthlessly :) |
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| 17:04.12 | NiCeBoY | thx |
| 17:04.14 | rgsteele | Although, I supposed ruthless would be killall -9 apache2 |
| 17:04.16 | rgsteele | :) |
| 17:04.20 | Anarka | but but... there's laws againt that |
| 17:04.40 | c00lfon | init 6 |
| 17:04.41 | c00lfon | ;> |
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| 17:07.10 | jnzz | hi everybody |
| 17:07.42 | jnzz | i try to change my screen resolution |
| 17:07.51 | tarzeau | i just do it |
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| 17:08.03 | rgsteele | FYI, for the people involved in the candy discussion: http://careerbuilder.typepad.com/job_blog_jobs/2005/10/go_ahead_and_dr.html |
| 17:08.04 | jnzz | i modified xorg.conf to the preferred size |
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| 17:08.11 | jnzz | but it don't change anything |
| 17:08.21 | tarzeau | jnzz: at the right place? |
| 17:08.27 | tarzeau | jnzz: you must've done it wrong |
| 17:09.47 | jnzz | "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 17:09.53 | jnzz | i change this file |
| 17:09.59 | jnzz | i think it's the right one |
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| 17:10.10 | beardy | !drxx jnzz |
| 17:10.10 | dpkg | jnzz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:10.15 | beardy | !resolution |
| 17:10.16 | dpkg | from memory, resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx |
| 17:10.32 | jnzz | i've done it too with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:10.46 | Bhavesh | !dotpitch |
| 17:10.51 | Bhavesh | ? |
| 17:10.57 | Bhavesh | i thought it would know about that too |
| 17:11.11 | jnzz | and didn't help |
| 17:11.23 | tam | if a program exits with an error is there *always* an exit code? |
| 17:11.28 | tam | other than 0 ofcourse |
| 17:11.42 | wols | not always |
| 17:11.51 | jnzz | i had the same problem under ubuntu with gnome but it was my video card driver who was wrong |
| 17:11.54 | wols | depends on the program. usually is but there are no guarantees |
| 17:12.31 | jnzz | but here i'm under etc, i installed the good driver, try many things like dpkg-reconfigure or modify directly the conf files |
| 17:12.36 | jnzz | and i don't know why |
| 17:12.44 | jnzz | it don't run |
| 17:12.51 | jnzz | i'm on a laptop |
| 17:12.53 | jnzz | medion one |
| 17:13.07 | Braindead | jnzz: please write full sentences on a line,thanks. |
| 17:13.25 | jnzz | Braindead: ok, sorry |
| 17:13.38 | jnzz | model : LT 97500 |
| 17:13.48 | feross | jnzz: there should be a section called "Screen", The DefaultColorDepth will tell X what resolution option list to use. Modify the corresponding list <usually 24> and put the resolutions you want in there. |
| 17:13.50 | tam | wols: cheers, its sa-learn and i just wanted to make sure. |
| 17:14.03 | Braindead | jnzz: "I installed the good driver" which driver? and which video card? |
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| 17:14.54 | jnzz | sorry, fglrx for ATI radeon mobility X700 XL |
| 17:15.05 | feross | jnzz: I forgot to mention that the file I was talking about was /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... you can nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look at it that way. |
| 17:15.30 | jnzz | feross: yes i modified this file manually and it dind't help |
| 17:15.52 | kingsley | Is my understanding correct that if neither netstat or lsof list a certain port number, then no application is listening to that port? |
| 17:16.08 | fluxdude | how do I disconnect a user on a certain pts like you see when doing a "who"? |
| 17:16.11 | Braindead | kingsley: correct. unless you got owned :) |
| 17:16.29 | Braindead | fluxdude: slay |
| 17:17.26 | fluxdude | Braindead: I don't have a slay on this box. hmmm. |
| 17:17.29 | feross | kingsley: lsof -i | grep LISTEN ... nothing there... not even ssh ? |
| 17:17.41 | Braindead | fluxdude: install it? |
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| 17:18.30 | nayyares | i want to install MS-Frontpage on linux, is there some easy way? |
| 17:18.40 | nvz | hah |
| 17:18.42 | Braindead | fluxdude: or killall --user looza is quite brutal too. YMMV |
| 17:18.54 | nvz | nayyares: step away from the crack pipe |
| 17:19.24 | nvz | frontpage creates the worst spaghetti code in the world.. why you'd want to pay for it, then fight to get it to work on linux is beyond me |
| 17:19.30 | nvz | you'd have to be high |
| 17:19.44 | kingsley | feross: Thanks for your suggestion. It revealed that the application that I'm interested in is listening to port 8000, but it should be listening to 8000 and 8080. |
| 17:20.02 | jnzz | nayyares: Wine seems to be the solution |
| 17:20.12 | fluxdude | Braindead: ok installed it but slay and killall --user doesn't do exactly what I want. I just want to kill a single pts session |
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| 17:20.19 | feross | ok no prob |
| 17:20.36 | fluxdude | i can just ps -ef|grep pts and kill that proc but I want to know if there is a nicer command to use |
| 17:20.48 | feross | nvz: I'm still rolling an that reply.. awsome :) |
| 17:20.51 | jnzz | otherwise you can try crossover or something like that who is a non free app who can run many MS apps using wine motor |
| 17:20.58 | nayyares | nvz, i am used to edit my office webiste in frontpage, is there any exact replacement in linux? |
| 17:21.16 | Phated | Learning to really mangle your HTML in vi, I guess ^.^ |
| 17:21.22 | nvz | feross: yeah, I'm working on becomming a regular standup comedian.. I get most of my material from IRC :P |
| 17:21.22 | jnzz | try to see onto the winehq website there is links and docs |
| 17:21.26 | d0uglas | Phated: you mean pico |
| 17:21.32 | Braindead | quanta,nvu,screem. ANYTHING but frontpage,please |
| 17:21.42 | nvz | nayyares: no, thank $DEITY |
| 17:21.46 | Phated | No, I mean vim, actually, my mistake. |
| 17:21.47 | wols | d0uglas: there is no pico. there is nano |
| 17:21.59 | Braindead | even cat > index.html ^D would be better |
| 17:22.03 | d0uglas | not if you rename nano to pico in the bin directory |
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| 17:22.24 | nvz | nayyares: in the FOSS world we try not to emulate all the worst behaviors of shitty propriatary applications |
| 17:22.25 | d0uglas | then, at least from an existentialist persective, it becomes pico |
| 17:22.27 | nayyares | heh |
| 17:22.28 | wols | nayyares: try nvu |
| 17:23.21 | d0uglas | nayyares: you might be better off accessing your office machine remotely |
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| 17:24.30 | nayyares | nvz, but that website has quite rich graphical interface and in frontpage, it is a matter of few clicks to edit a page |
| 17:25.18 | Braindead | nayyares: can we see the site? |
| 17:25.40 | nvz | nayyares: uh huh.. excuses for using frontpage are like flatulations.. everyone's heard them.. nobody wants to |
| 17:25.41 | d0uglas | if by rich you mean bloated, then you would be right |
| 17:26.00 | Braindead | bean bean,the magical fruit |
| 17:26.45 | nvz | even my dad has enough sense to use something other than frontpage.. though I still cant get him to grasp the concept of how much easier and more flexible the source is when you dont mangle it up with WYSIWYG editors |
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| 17:27.33 | nvz | as far as propriatary windows editors go, top style is the closest thing I found to a decent web development tool |
| 17:27.36 | Bhavesh | nvz: i agree with that statement 100%. |
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| 17:28.01 | craigevil | html-kit is a great html tool for windows |
| 17:28.01 | Bhavesh | about frontpage putting bunch of crap excuse me "ADDITIONAL" information in webpage |
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| 17:28.21 | nvz | anything that adds the WYSIWYG element while still keeping you in tune with the source is acceptable |
| 17:28.25 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 17:28.36 | benjamindees | using find properly in a bash script has become the bane of my existence |
| 17:28.47 | Filox | qualcuno mi sa dire come fare? ricevo adsl su pc debian tramite wireless. devo routerizzare tramite debian l' adsl in wireless. grazie |
| 17:29.02 | wols | !it |
| 17:29.03 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 17:29.08 | d0uglas | it sucks when you've got a decent site laid down but you decide you want to tweak something in dreamweaver or whatever and then there's so much crap laced through the code that you can forget editing the source to design it in the future |
| 17:29.14 | Filox | ok |
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| 17:29.46 | benjamindees | nvu is nice |
| 17:30.30 | blondie | dpkg: duh, this IS irc.freenode.net you stupid bot. |
| 17:30.31 | dpkg | blondie: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:30.35 | blondie | dpkg: pebkac |
| 17:30.36 | dpkg | [pebkac] Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
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| 17:31.05 | jnzz | re |
| 17:31.08 | n3kl_ | Ah'hoy! |
| 17:31.10 | jnzz | sorry for my stupid questions |
| 17:31.33 | jnzz | the driver who run correctly is not fglrx driver |
| 17:31.42 | jnzz | but radeon ati one |
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| 17:32.16 | jnzz | so i make dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and use ati driver |
| 17:32.30 | jnzz | and that's run very well in 1280*1024 :) |
| 17:32.46 | jnzz | sorry again for the flood |
| 17:32.48 | jnzz | bye |
| 17:33.05 | Bhavesh | you are welcome |
| 17:33.07 | Bhavesh | i guess |
| 17:33.07 | Bhavesh | :) |
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| 17:34.17 | Bhavesh | bbl |
| 17:34.27 | Bhavesh | mirak = Karim ? |
| 17:34.32 | Bhavesh | be back later |
| 17:34.47 | mirak | BhaalWK: yes |
| 17:34.53 | mirak | Bhavesh: yes |
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| 17:36.53 | n3kl_ | Does anyone have any expierence with iscsi? |
| 17:37.34 | wols | !tell n3kl_ about ask |
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| 17:38.03 | l33t1 | hello everyone |
| 17:38.20 | l33t1 | anyone here? |
| 17:38.29 | n3kl_ | The initiater is the client and the target is the server, in essence right? |
| 17:38.31 | wols | *sigh* |
| 17:38.39 | l33t1 | well |
| 17:38.40 | l33t1 | Science found out that guys think a lot talking to a girl and the girl talk b4 thinking. |
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| 17:39.01 | PupenoR | Hello. |
| 17:39.35 | benjamindees | n3kl, yes |
| 17:39.36 | PupenoR | Is there some package in Debian that depends on all the packages that form a basic system, like ubuntu-minimal/ubuntu-standard/ubuntu-desktop ? |
| 17:39.39 | nvz | l33t1: heh, do you have anything debian related to discuss? |
| 17:39.59 | wols | PupenoR: no |
| 17:40.25 | Sadneophyte | Hi I wanted help with a scipt I mad... I am an newbie... I wanted to open qemu on a second x console.... so the script was : X :1 ; qemu args; killall X ... the proplem is that it kills the X server before qemu ends... how can I stop this ? |
| 17:40.27 | diskus | !ubuntu |
| 17:40.27 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 17:40.39 | n3kl_ | So I see the initater in the 2.6 kernel, how do I get the target? I don't see it in apt. |
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| 17:41.31 | benjamindees | Sadneophyte, try startx qemu -- :1 |
| 17:42.15 | n3kl_ | Not that I expect it to be in apt, but is there a package that someone knows about where I might be able to download the source module. I am assuming that this is going to be a module. |
| 17:42.18 | Sadneophyte | benjamindees how do I get the X session to close after qemu sucsessfully quits? |
| 17:42.57 | benjamindees | I'm pretty sure that will do it; if not you can add qemu to ~/.xinitrc |
| 17:43.15 | benjamindees | instead |
| 17:44.35 | benjamindees | and just run startx -- :1 |
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| 17:45.31 | mo1991 | anyone know of a program for sarge that will recover excel document passwords? |
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| 17:45.39 | mo1991 | I don't believe john the ripper will do this |
| 17:45.43 | zck | xD |
| 17:45.55 | zck | neither do I |
| 17:46.09 | wols | mo1991: I don't believe sarge has any such programs either |
| 17:46.24 | wols | your best bet is a windows program that runs in WINE |
| 17:46.25 | fanne | like apt-cache search xlshackingtool ? |
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| 17:46.39 | Sadneophyte | benjamindees I think starting a server without startx is better "X :1" opens session 1 and I can just right DISPLAY=:1 to start the program there... 'killall X' will kill all nonroot X sessions. I jst want... maybe && is the answer |
| 17:47.37 | benjamindees | starting X directly is goofy and a pain in the ass, which is why startx exists and does exactly what you want |
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| 17:48.00 | hooya | has anyone used IBM DS4700 SAN box with debian? |
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| 17:48.17 | benjamindees | Sadneophyte, bbl |
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| 17:48.52 | himmelstr_utz | what's firefox's actuall new name in debian? I would like to install the 2.0 .deb but can't find it anywhere. |
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| 17:49.26 | buggarage | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.26 | esteel | himmelstr_utz: its supposed to be iceweasel.. |
| 17:49.26 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 17:49.42 | esteel | but there do not seem to be deb packages yet |
| 17:49.48 | abrotman | himmelstr_utz: they haven't arrived yet |
| 17:50.03 | himmelstr_utz | abrotman: will there be a new name? |
| 17:50.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:50.14 | esteel | himmelstr_utz: you will notice when your firefox gets replaced ;) |
| 17:50.19 | himmelstr_utz | ah, iceweasel... |
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| 17:51.09 | n3kl_ | Does anybody know how to install the iscsi target on debian? |
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| 17:52.57 | Hocus | y dondelelcaro) |
| 17:52.57 | Hocus | [18:52] Notice from ChanServ (FreeNode): [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
| 17:52.58 | Hocus | [18:52] [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg: #debian |
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| 17:54.48 | nvz | djkhdjkdh: wtf are you doing? |
| 17:54.50 | djkhdjkdh | hi there's a way to make a typhoon easycam work ? |
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| 17:55.19 | hooya | what kind of hocus pocus was that? |
| 17:55.43 | nvz | djkhdjkdh: you were auto kicked by an eggdrop bot for flooding (seemingly accidental) all that changing of nick and join/part flooding is just gonna get you banned you arent in any trouble so there is no reason to try and hide |
| 17:55.59 | djkhdjkdh | i don't try t hide |
| 17:56.05 | djkhdjkdh | simply wronlgy pasted text |
| 17:56.07 | cydork | muhahhaha |
| 17:56.09 | djkhdjkdh | cause i'm using miranda |
| 17:56.15 | fanne | your cat walks on the keyboard ? |
| 17:56.21 | cyzie | how do i select audio channel to left or right in mplayer/realplayer like in vlc does? |
| 17:56.27 | hooya | heh |
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| 17:57.43 | nvz | djkhdjkdh: seems that cam is supported by the scpa5xx driver |
| 17:57.52 | nvz | djkhdjkdh: was the first hit on google |
| 17:58.06 | djkhdjkdh | supported ? |
| 17:58.20 | eeyore- | djkhdjkdh: that seems to be what nvz is saying |
| 17:58.28 | pumpkin0 | djkhdjkdh: supported = works with |
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| 17:58.57 | djkhdjkdh | i mean i read on sites that IS NOT CURRENTLY ;) but is planned to be ;) |
| 17:59.06 | djkhdjkdh | i understand what supported means |
| 17:59.07 | djkhdjkdh | ;) |
| 17:59.58 | Sadneophyte | benjamindees '&&' works fine, and killall X is executed after sucsessflly ending the qem commmand |
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| 18:00.27 | n3kl_ | How do I install the iscsi target on debian? |
| 18:00.59 | nvz | djkhdjkdh: well for one thing the typhoon easycam is a brand name and series. doesnt speak anything of what camera you actually have |
| 18:01.25 | dendrite | n3kl_: Does "apt-cache search iscsi" show any packages? |
| 18:01.28 | nvz | djkhdjkdh: thats like saying a Presario 900 or something.. there are probably 20 or more laptops in that line |
| 18:01.44 | n3kl_ | dendrite: Nope, I checked that first. =] |
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| 18:01.56 | djkhdjkdh | there're two main the 330k and the 1.3 m ;) i got the 1.3m thy name is Typhoon Webcam Easy Cam USB 2.0 VGA 1.3 M |
| 18:01.59 | n3kl_ | dendrite: perhaps there is a source that is not in my lsit |
| 18:02.13 | dendrite | n3kl_: What flavor of Debian? Here I see open-iscsi ... |
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| 18:02.35 | n3kl_ | dendrite: stable |
| 18:03.07 | dendrite | n3kl_: Check backports, or ask dpkg about "simple sid backport" |
| 18:03.08 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: hint: http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/open-iscsi |
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| 18:04.30 | nvz | djkhdjkdh: yeah well you got the one that hasnt been fully supported yet.. has a different stream method.. uses compression |
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| 18:04.41 | davidcsi | hello, Got a intel motherboard D946GZIS and debian installation doesn't detect the network, which is a INTEL PRO/100... any ideas? i modprobed eepro100 and e100, e100 loads fine but i don't see eth0.. .any ideas? |
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| 18:05.09 | pumpkin0 | davidcsi: double-check the chip with "lspci -vvv". |
| 18:05.17 | iturk | hi there in simulink application that runs over matlab everytime that i open a properties windows of some component the characters from this windows are too small to been seen !! how can i change that ?? |
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| 18:06.08 | nvz | djkhdjkdh: seems like this guy made good progress and worth linking up with if you want to get it working http://www.kaiser-linux.li/index.php/Linux_and_Webcams#Typhoon_Easycam_USB_2.0_VGA_1.3M |
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| 18:06.32 | nvz | djkhdjkdh: otherwise use common sense when buying hardware.. |
| 18:06.52 | tralala | woow, mplayer hits sid! |
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| 18:07.27 | nvz | tralala: hows it feel to be out from under than big rock all of a sudden? |
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| 18:07.55 | tralala | nvz, I'm not sure I read you |
| 18:08.10 | davidcsi | pumpkin0 where would the chip type be? i do an lspci -vvv and get lots info on that Ethernet controller |
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| 18:09.12 | nvz | tralala: thats only news to people who been sucking moss of the bottom of rocks for the past few weeks :P |
| 18:10.00 | tralala | !spank nvz |
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| 18:10.19 | dererk[w] | is: "aptitude hold package" enough to don't allow that package to be upgraded ? |
| 18:10.37 | davidcsi | pumpkin? |
| 18:10.55 | pumpkin0 | davidcsi: upload the output, i will have a look. |
| 18:11.28 | davidcsi | pumpkin uff.. can't... i'll write it here |
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| 18:12.58 | pumpkin0 | !tell davidcsi about paste |
| 18:13.42 | warrenpeace | hey all |
| 18:13.44 | dererk[w] | ! ping |
| 18:13.45 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:14.11 | warrenpeace | freenode has a lot of registering to do |
| 18:14.13 | warrenpeace | why? |
| 18:14.14 | n3kl_ | is etch stable enough for server? |
| 18:14.19 | abrotman | warrenpeace: ask #freenode |
| 18:14.26 | abrotman | n3kl_: i wouldn't bet the farm on it |
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| 18:15.06 | eeyore- | n3kl: sid is stable enough for server |
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| 18:17.30 | Ronin | eeyore-: pardon? |
| 18:17.43 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: depends on your config. sid can run stable, but die-hard debians will tell you to use sarge for servers. It´s the most secure debian out there. |
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| 18:18.03 | abrotman | and he should |
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| 18:18.58 | dubis | #fr |
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| 18:19.02 | dubis | !fr |
| 18:19.02 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:19.12 | davidcsi | i'm using sarge |
| 18:19.31 | simmerz | I'm trying to get mysql support for php5. I've tried installing php5-mysqli but it wants to uninstall libapache2-mod-php5. that seems very wrong to me. |
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| 18:21.03 | eeyore- | Ronin: hmm? |
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| 18:21.13 | abrotman | simmerz: which version of debian ? |
| 18:21.19 | simmerz | etch |
| 18:21.20 | ma3x | where do I find the old logo of firefox? |
| 18:21.40 | n3kl_ | pumpkin0: untill etch is stabe, right? |
| 18:21.47 | eeyore- | ma3x: grab it out of various "icon packs" |
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| 18:22.06 | ma3x | eeyore-: can you be more specific? |
| 18:22.24 | eeyore- | ma3x: www.gnome-look.org, choose some icon pack, download, grab the firefox logo |
| 18:22.40 | pumpkin0 | n3kl: right. But you know how debian deals with these things, right ? It´s done when it´s done .. |
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| 18:23.06 | Seb | eeyore-: hey man, what up ? :) |
| 18:23.08 | eeyore- | "it's done when it's done" --- that's why you go sid, because it's never done, and so you're always current |
| 18:23.11 | eeyore- | hey Seb |
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| 18:23.25 | Ronin | interesting logic eeyore- |
| 18:23.29 | ma3x | I dont understand - is iceweasel a new browser of mozilla or is the current one firefox being renamed to iceweasel? |
| 18:23.38 | buggarage | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.39 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 18:23.41 | davidcsi | pumpkin0, here it is http://channels.debian.net/paste/4318 |
| 18:23.43 | eeyore- | Ronin: i'm the master of interesting logic :-) |
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| 18:24.02 | atula | hi |
| 18:24.04 | atula | anyone around? |
| 18:24.13 | eeyore- | ma3x: legal posturing |
| 18:24.17 | Ronin | atula: no, more rectangular actually |
| 18:24.23 | n3kl_ | pumpkin0: as with most things. I have been using slackware for years and thought it was time to try another distro, so I am still getting used to the releases and everything, package management, stable, testing, bla. I would like to run etch mostly for x.org on my laptop, but for my server, I am running sarge, which currently does not seem to support iscsi. |
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| 18:24.32 | buggarage | w're all edgy lol |
| 18:24.32 | streuner | eeyore-: anyway, we think that unstable is unstable... |
| 18:24.44 | atula | for some reason I can't change resolution in xorg |
| 18:24.45 | atula | lame |
| 18:24.50 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: that´s why backports exists ... |
| 18:24.53 | ma3x | eeyore-: that still doesn't answer my question: is firefox being renamed to iceweasel, or is iceweasel completly a new package? |
| 18:24.53 | eeyore- | ma3x: "firefox" is both a trademark and a set of guidelines for branding. debian can't modify it and still call it 'firefox', so debian calls it 'ice weasel' (get it? "fire" "fox") |
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| 18:24.58 | atula | I'm using backports x-window system |
| 18:25.25 | eeyore- | ma3x: "pot" meet "kettle" |
| 18:25.26 | Ronin | ma3x: sure it does |
| 18:25.29 | ma3x | eeyore-: so it's the same package, just with another name |
| 18:25.33 | pumpkin0 | davidcsi: run "update-pciids" and rerun lspci afterwards. |
| 18:25.44 | eeyore- | ma3x: not quite "exact" same package, but close, give or take some things |
| 18:26.04 | atula | I did the dpkg dpkg --reconfigure xorg-common |
| 18:26.05 | eeyore- | ma3x: remember, if it's the "same" package, there wouldn't need to be new name, would there? |
| 18:26.10 | atula | still.. didn't fix the resolution |
| 18:26.13 | simmerz | might i ask why debian has to change the firefox package? |
| 18:26.14 | davidcsi | pumpkin, i can't its not connected to the internet... lan doesn't work |
| 18:26.20 | atula | now everything is so big... |
| 18:26.22 | Ronin | simmerz: scroll up |
| 18:26.30 | pumpkin0 | davidcsi: OK, wait a second ... |
| 18:26.30 | streuner | !tell simmerz about iceweasel |
| 18:26.33 | n3kl_ | pumpkin0: where can I learn about backports and what they are? |
| 18:26.34 | Ronin | about 4 minutes ago |
| 18:26.34 | davidcsi | ok |
| 18:26.43 | dererk[w] | abrotman, do you think that "aptitude hold package" is enough to don't allow that package to be upgraded on an upgrade/dist-upgrade that somebody else runs? |
| 18:26.44 | streuner | simmerz: its all in the factoid |
| 18:26.46 | simmerz | thanks. sorry. missed it |
| 18:26.49 | n3kl_ | how clean is a dist-upgrade? |
| 18:26.49 | abrotman | !hold |
| 18:26.50 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 18:26.51 | eeyore- | simmerz: some patches, path differences, etc. |
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| 18:27.00 | n3kl_ | does it leave a bunch of crap behind after the upgrade? |
| 18:27.08 | abrotman | dererk[w]: the dist-upgrade will probably do it |
| 18:27.09 | Ronin | n3kl_: define crap |
| 18:27.11 | orestyle3 | is there an alternative to denyhosts package for debian (I am having trouble with the dependancies) |
| 18:27.15 | dererk[w] | :\ |
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| 18:27.29 | abrotman | orestyle3: iptables |
| 18:27.30 | dubis | !fr |
| 18:27.30 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:27.33 | ma3x | eeyore-: so what's different in this package? I mean the package name is still firefox and it's installed on my computer |
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| 18:27.39 | eeyore- | why iceweasel? why not icecoyote or some such ... or icehound? hmm. icehound ... |
| 18:27.45 | n3kl_ | Ronin: unuesd files on the machine that are no longer used, but used by previous versions of a package. |
| 18:27.50 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's the name GNU gave it |
| 18:27.57 | orestyle3 | abrotman: thanks! |
| 18:28.01 | eeyore- | abrotman: right, i mean, why "weasel"? |
| 18:28.07 | abrotman | eeyore-: fox? |
| 18:28.09 | eeyore- | abrotman: unless they like the connotation |
| 18:28.13 | streuner | abrotman: so not the maint. himselfs? |
| 18:28.25 | abrotman | streuner: eh .. no |
| 18:28.28 | streuner | hm |
| 18:28.43 | abrotman | streuner: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ (as the factoid mentions) |
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| 18:29.05 | pumpkin0 | davidcsi: that looks like a e1000 (3x 0, gigabit ethernet). the e100-driver will not work. |
| 18:29.12 | davidcsi | no |
| 18:29.12 | eeyore- | streuner: you must not like gentoo ~x86, then :-) |
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| 18:29.26 | davidcsi | well, i did a "modprobe e1000" and got no error |
| 18:29.46 | davidcsi | but when I do a "ifconfig -a" i don't see anything |
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| 18:30.04 | stew | abrotman: gnu gave theirs that name after debian had decided to name ours iceweasel |
| 18:30.11 | davidcsi | after inserting "alias eth0 e1000" into /etc/modutils/aliases |
| 18:30.19 | stew | eeyore-: iceweasel was the most popular choice when the firefox maintainer ran a poll |
| 18:30.40 | abrotman | stew: i thought it was before .. long before |
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| 18:30.47 | stew | hmm |
| 18:30.50 | CharminTheMoose | how do i make my /dev/hda4 ext2 partiton writeable? |
| 18:30.57 | pumpkin0 | davidcsi: and lsmod shows the module ? |
| 18:31.03 | davidcsi | yes |
| 18:31.05 | abrotman | admittedly .. i don't really care :) |
| 18:31.10 | CharminTheMoose | writeable to a normal user that is |
| 18:31.17 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: fix the mount point ? |
| 18:31.20 | eeyore- | davidcsi: dmesg, look at the lines corresponding to the loading of e1000 module (either success / failure) |
| 18:31.25 | davidcsi | used by 0, but shows it |
| 18:31.35 | dererk[w] | abrotman, thanks |
| 18:31.45 | dererk[w] | :) |
| 18:31.58 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman:THe mount point is in my home directory |
| 18:32.11 | CharminTheMoose | and that's writeable |
| 18:32.14 | CharminTheMoose | for me |
| 18:32.17 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: what are the perms on the dir that you're trying to write in ? |
| 18:32.25 | buggarage | set the uid or gid to the mount options Charming |
| 18:32.40 | CharminTheMoose | how do i show that again? |
| 18:32.45 | CharminTheMoose | is it ls something |
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| 18:33.08 | CharminTheMoose | right |
| 18:33.26 | CharminTheMoose | drwxr-xr-x is what the directory is |
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| 18:33.39 | davidcsi | i don't have dmseg (Weird) but tailing syslog i see: "e1000: ignoring new-style parameters in presence of old ones" |
| 18:33.41 | ma3x | why I can't play the video news from cnn.com or bbc.co.uk? |
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| 18:33.49 | CharminTheMoose | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 1024 Nov 2 17:24 uploaded |
| 18:33.50 | Ronin | ma3x: your missing something |
| 18:34.08 | ma3x | Ronin: what? I have installed the mplayerplug-in |
| 18:34.13 | ma3x | Ronin: can you play them? |
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| 18:34.39 | Ronin | yes but im not on a linux box technically right now, i suspect its java perhaps? |
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| 18:35.10 | stew | abrotman: yeah, it looks like they started adopting the name in may or so |
| 18:35.15 | dubis | hello |
| 18:35.20 | pumpkin0 | davidcsi: do you have a link for that motherboard ... ? |
| 18:35.21 | abrotman | stew: win me? |
| 18:35.33 | dubis | I ve got PB to install vmware workstation |
| 18:35.42 | abrotman | !nopony stew |
| 18:35.42 | dpkg | stew: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 18:35.53 | eeyore- | ma3x: cnn.com checks that you have mediaplayer |
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| 18:36.32 | eeyore- | davidcsi: dmesg |
| 18:36.45 | eeyore- | davidcsi: not dmseg |
| 18:37.06 | davidcsi | that, yes.. link.. hold on |
| 18:37.29 | ma3x | eeyore-: why does it wait utill %20 of the cache is filled? |
| 18:37.34 | ma3x | and then it starts playing it |
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| 18:38.16 | davidcsi | here: http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/products/desktop/bdb/d946gzis/feature/index.htm |
| 18:38.18 | eeyore- | ma3x: hmm? that's probably to avoid hiccuping during playback of streamed content ... |
| 18:38.32 | eeyore- | davidcsi: you have to have dmesg. it's part of 'util-linux' |
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| 18:40.33 | forger_____ | does anyone use Asterisk on DEBIAN ? |
| 18:40.43 | dererk[w] | ! bug rc |
| 18:40.43 | dpkg | bug rc can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=rc |
| 18:40.52 | forger_____ | i need some resource about it |
| 18:40.57 | forger_____ | please |
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| 18:41.32 | Ronin | forger_____: we're going a bit more information from you |
| 18:41.53 | eeyore- | davidcsi: what's the output of lspci -n for the ethernet controller? is it 8086:1094? if so, that's a PRO/100 (e100 driver). if 8086:107e, then that's the gigabit one |
| 18:42.07 | forger_____ | ok Ronin, i'm trying to set an Asterisk server on debian here |
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| 18:42.21 | forger_____ | i used the apt-get tool to install all i need |
| 18:42.25 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.ca/233038 is my fstab and the directory i'm trying to access as a normal user |
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| 18:42.41 | forger_____ | but i'm not used to this kind of installation of the Asterisk |
| 18:42.52 | forger_____ | i can't find the config files |
| 18:42.58 | forger_____ | i mean, the modules |
| 18:43.05 | forger_____ | wcfxo wcfxs |
| 18:43.11 | stew | forger_____: are they not in /etc/asterisk ? |
| 18:43.15 | Ronin | forger_____: #asterisk most likely then? |
| 18:43.35 | Hoxzer | |____|{) |
| 18:43.42 | stew | CharminTheMoose: ext2 doesn't use uid/gid/umask, those are for filesystems that don't have unix permissions on thier own |
| 18:43.46 | forger_____ | #asterisk would be useful if the problem was with the server |
| 18:43.50 | davidcsi | pumpkin0 I don't see any number remotely like that one.. no NUMBER:NUMBER anywhere |
| 18:44.01 | Ronin | Hoxzer: make that a nice cool beer and its a deal |
| 18:44.04 | stew | CharminTheMoose: for ext2 use permissions as you would any other unix filesystem, like chmod/chown... |
| 18:44.07 | Hoxzer | :D |
| 18:44.10 | forger_____ | but the problem is on the Debian installation of the Asterisk server |
| 18:44.12 | CharminTheMoose | arg,my bad |
| 18:44.14 | CharminTheMoose | :( |
| 18:44.20 | CharminTheMoose | thanks for that stew |
| 18:44.26 | pumpkin0 | davidcsi: there is something fishy here: the side says it´s a 100Mbit thing. That´s e100. The 1094 belongs to the e1000-series. |
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| 18:44.44 | stew | forger_____: what exactly is the problem? |
| 18:45.05 | eeyore- | davidcsi: "lspci -n" |
| 18:45.16 | forger_____ | i finished my dialplan |
| 18:45.20 | forger_____ | as i'm used to |
| 18:45.36 | stew | forger_____: i dont' understand the problem |
| 18:45.39 | forger_____ | but there is some problem with the zaptel.... |
| 18:45.43 | pumpkin0 | eeyore-: he has no internet on that system AND a very old pci-id-DB. no use ... |
| 18:45.51 | pumpkin0 | davidcsi: http://www.turbolinux.com.cn/download/approved_drivers/e1000.list_of_supported_devices.txt |
| 18:45.55 | forger_____ | there are no wcfxo wcfxs modules |
| 18:45.59 | stew | forger_____: please be more specific, and dont' hit enter in place of punctuation |
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| 18:47.26 | abrotman | isn't the zaptel a m-a thing ? |
| 18:47.40 | forger_____ | ok stew. I need these to modules, wcfxo and wcfxs. They should be here since i did "apt-get install zaptel". But they are not. So i'm guessing that, on Debian, this is different. |
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| 18:48.25 | valdyn | forger_____: zaptel contains no modules, only zapata telephony utilities |
| 18:48.34 | abrotman | !info zaptel-source sarge |
| 18:48.37 | stew | forger_____: try apt-get install module-assistant build-essential fakeroot && m-a prepare && m-a a-i zaptel |
| 18:48.43 | dpkg | zaptel-source: (Zapata telephony interface (source code for kernel driver)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.7-4.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 256 kB, Installed size: 340 kB |
| 18:49.16 | stew | forger_____: "m-a a-i zaptel" would compile the addon kernel modules from the zaptel-source package above |
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| 18:50.43 | forger_____ | hum... ok Thanks! I'm not used to Debian systems... I'll give it a try here. |
| 18:50.49 | eeyore- | pumpkin0: i just want to see the *numeric* id. i don't care about the label, that's why the "-n" :-) |
| 18:51.18 | eeyore- | pumpkin0: but, hey, i'm getting out of this because it's taking far too long than necessary, if he'd just give me what i wanted ... |
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| 18:52.10 | pumpkin0 | eeyore-: davidcsi > pumpkin0, here it is http://channels.debian.net/paste/4318 |
| 18:52.56 | simmerz | I'm getting this when I try to install anything: Error: libphp5.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 18:53.35 | davidcsi | oh i han't see the "-n" hold on |
| 18:53.53 | pumpkin0 | simmerz: upload the whole thing (error and command) into a pastebin ... |
| 18:54.26 | simmerz | ah, it works now. I don't know why, but it does |
| 18:54.36 | davidcsi | pumpkon0 it 8086:1094 |
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| 18:55.49 | stew | that's a e100 |
| 18:56.12 | davidcsi | the why doesn't it loads? |
| 18:56.27 | davidcsi | i get no errors but I don't see eth0... ???ç |
| 18:56.38 | stew | davidcsi: how are you looking for eth0? |
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| 18:56.55 | aris_ | hi |
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| 18:59.27 | jojux | hi ! |
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| 19:00.57 | jojux | I am migrating a system from booting directly to booting via initrd. is there somewhere a setting or hook that will make an new intrd image if i install a new kernel package ? |
| 19:00.57 | aris_ | i need to format and reinstall windows in my machine. but that will destroy the MBR and i will not be able to boot to linux. how can i make a floppy that i will be able to boot to linux after the windows reinstallation? |
| 19:01.17 | stew | aris_: man grub-floppy |
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| 19:02.21 | earthian | !dmraid |
| 19:02.22 | obseleron | is the upcoming debian release to use DT_GNU_HASH like fedora? |
| 19:02.44 | earthian | hm |
| 19:02.48 | earthian | !info dmraid |
| 19:02.59 | dpkg | dmraid: (Device-Mapper Software RAID support tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.0.rc13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 173 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
| 19:03.03 | earthian | aga :) |
| 19:03.21 | earthian | yay its newer than the ubuntu one :D |
| 19:03.24 | earthian | debian <3 |
| 19:03.39 | aris_ | stew, the program is dumb. lol. it says only -h to print help and exit. what options do i have to put? |
| 19:04.17 | stew | aris_: grub-floppy /dev/floppy |
| 19:04.31 | stew | (probably, this depends on /dev/floppy actually being your floppy device) |
| 19:05.34 | ton | i have squid installed on my pc , but my windows clients are losing theirs connection each 2 minutes using msn messanger, could someone help me ? |
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| 19:07.19 | creature | OK, I did a dist-upgrade this morning and now I'm seeing *weird* stuff with my fonts. Like, they don't render, but when I mouse over them they do. And then they don't again. |
| 19:07.45 | creature | This is an X issue, and my aterms work fine, but Opera shows the issue, and gkrellm shows the issue, and gaim shows the issue, so whatever it is seems to be cross-toolkit. |
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| 19:08.08 | aris_ | stew, could u join flood so i could paste it there? |
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| 19:08.21 | mo1991 | anyone know how to recover an excel password using linux |
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| 19:10.29 | davidcsi | pumpkin0: sorry guys i got disconnected... |
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| 19:11.03 | davidcsi | so what's the verdict on that e1000?? it loads fine but i can't see eth0 |
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| 19:12.08 | creature | Screenshot of the problem at http://www.ethicsgirls.com/stuff/weirdissue.jpg . Note the Gaim window and the gkrellm at the side. |
| 19:12.22 | aris_ | stew, sorry mate electricity blackout |
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| 19:13.15 | erore | where do i find a kernel message that looks like this Out of Memory: Killed process 12345 (postmaster)? |
| 19:13.33 | aris_ | stew, when i tried though the grub-install /dev/fd0 it created something in the disk and it said successfull. when it booted from the disk the grub said fatal error. |
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| 19:13.55 | pumpkin0 | davidcsi: last thing that happend: stew davidcsi: how are you looking for eth0? |
| 19:14.18 | valdyn | erore: /var/log/messages |
| 19:14.38 | pumpkin0 | erore: usually on a system w/o swap and little RAM ... |
| 19:15.08 | umesh | I am installing debian on Dell PE 1950 and its not finding my Broadcom NetXtreme II 5708 ethernet card, any idea ! |
| 19:15.28 | davidcsi | pumpkin0: i just do a ifconfig -a |
| 19:16.25 | pumpkin0 | stew ^^^^ |
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| 19:21.19 | hiremath | How do I use dupload and dput tools with proxy? |
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| 19:21.43 | forger_____ | stew, i got this: "debian/rules:16: /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make: No such file or directory # |
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| 19:22.35 | stew | forger_____: apt-get install dpatch ; then try again |
| 19:22.44 | stew | don't know why dpatch wouldn't have been automatically installed |
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| 19:23.44 | tarzeau | hehe http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/not_really_into_pokemon.png |
| 19:23.54 | hiremath | If I set ftp_proxy and use dupload I get this error: dupload fatal error: Net::FTP: connect: timeout at /usr/bin/dupload line 816 |
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| 19:24.24 | sint | hey, where to find an errorlog if something fails to start via initscript? |
| 19:24.44 | sint | var/log/progname/error.log tells me its startet |
| 19:25.20 | Red_Cloud | I am in need of doing a repair install. How do I go about doing this? |
| 19:25.20 | sint | but initscript tells me faild |
| 19:25.20 | sint | and it isn't started |
| 19:25.21 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: what is broken ? |
| 19:25.41 | Red_Cloud | pumpkin0 I am not able to get into my kde desktop |
| 19:26.00 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: is the console-part OK ? |
| 19:26.01 | davidcsi | pumpkin0: i just type "ifconfig -a" |
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| 19:26.12 | Gnurdux | hmm i just relaized something; i have a mindless homework assignment to do but i might as well do it while on IRC! |
| 19:26.33 | Red_Cloud | pumpkin0 yes I have a line command prompt |
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| 19:26.39 | earthian | does anybody have 2.6.18 kernel working with dmraid ? |
| 19:27.00 | pumpkin0 | davidcsi: i know. But i cannot help you if dmesg shows no errors and e100 loads cleanly and ifconfig shows nothing at all. |
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| 19:27.31 | cuse | Hi! I need to setup a Gateway (not inet-router), which simply connects the two networks (192.168.1.* and 192.168.2.*) on its two network interface cards. Can somebody give me a pointer how to do it? I fiddled with route and iptables, but couldn't manage it so far. |
| 19:27.50 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: can you search the X11-log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) and upload it somewhere ? |
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| 19:28.31 | stew | cuse: make sure to edit /etc/sysctl.conf to enable ip_forward |
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| 19:29.04 | sint | does noone know about an errorlog? is there someting else i can to do get mysql started? |
| 19:29.12 | sint | it just fails all the time |
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| 19:29.23 | stew | sint: try running mysqld as root on the command line and see what errors pop out |
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| 19:29.42 | pumpkin0 | sint: mysql fails => search for the mysql-log file. ... simple ? |
| 19:29.50 | mo1991 | anyone point me in the right direction to crack an excel password? |
| 19:30.00 | sint | omg |
| 19:30.02 | mo1991 | I use sarge - not sure if I can do this with John the ripper |
| 19:30.05 | sint | what an output |
| 19:30.07 | sint | :) |
| 19:30.17 | mo1991 | thanks SpeedyG |
| 19:30.24 | cuse | stew: ok, i did it manually so far with /proc/sys/ipv4/ip_forwarding, but it doesnt route the packets yet |
| 19:30.28 | stew | pumpkin0: except when there isn't a log file configured (which, i believe is the default), or mysql doesn't get far enough to actually log |
| 19:30.56 | sint | pumkin0: cat /var/log/mysql.err says nothing |
| 19:30.57 | Red_Cloud | pumpkin0 right now I am in my micro OS using jigdo to download the first CD so that I can burn it to CD. So I am not able to reboot into my linux until that download completes. But from previous viewing of the log file the error is Failed to Load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so |
| 19:31.01 | sint | its an empty file :( |
| 19:31.08 | ton | i have squid installed on my pc , but my windows clients are losing theirs connection each 2 minutes using msn messanger, could someone help me ? |
| 19:31.18 | sint | and in /var/log/mysql/ are lots of files |
| 19:31.25 | Arsenick | I need some help here about debian and LTSP someone already try ltsp with debian package ? |
| 19:31.32 | sint | but none of them got a real errormessage |
| 19:32.11 | cyzie | im looking for a software that obtain data either from database or text file and plot the graph automatically? is there such like softwares? |
| 19:32.15 | sint | if i start mysqld as root, i got: mysqld got signal 11; |
| 19:32.23 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: that extenstion is not really important (unless you installed and configured compiz as default...). Did you see any lines starting with (EE) ? |
| 19:32.33 | sint | just a second, i'll paste it anywhere |
| 19:32.40 | stew | !paste |
| 19:32.41 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 19:33.13 | pumpkin0 | cyzie: ust gnuplot for files. |
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| 19:34.57 | cyzie | thanks pumpkin0 |
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| 19:37.09 | creature | Well, I've just upgraded my graphics drivers and it seems like everything is working as it should again. |
| 19:37.12 | creature | Thanks for the help. |
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| 19:38.17 | umesh | Broadcom NetXtreme II 5708 network card not detected while installing debian on dell, I tried using linux26, any help |
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| 19:38.43 | PopeFelix | does the error message " set times: No such file or directory" in regard to using scp in the context of dupload mean anything to anyone? |
| 19:38.55 | Red_Cloud | pumpkin0 none |
| 19:38.57 | PopeFelix | umesh: sounds like it's not natively supported in that version of the kernel. |
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| 19:39.15 | h3sp4wn | umesh: Is that one of the ones with on board hardware encryption ? /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 19:39.18 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: radeon card with fglrx-drivers ? |
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| 19:39.47 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: or installed compiz ? |
| 19:39.49 | PopeFelix | It's weird. I'm able to upload certain packages that I have created to my local repository, but not others. |
| 19:40.02 | umesh | h3sp4wn, yes |
| 19:40.03 | Red_Cloud | pumpkin0 that is over my head. I do not know |
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| 19:40.16 | exner | hi, can apt do somethink like emerge --depclean? or can I sort output of dpkg -l by time? (I did apt-get install foo (several deps was installed), and when i execute apt-get remove foo (apt doesn't want remove deps) |
| 19:40.17 | exner | thx |
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| 19:40.46 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 19:40.47 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 19:41.04 | h3sp4wn | umesh: as far as I know the only versions of linux with working ubsec encryption is a very old version of redhat - or free / open bsd |
| 19:41.21 | h3sp4wn | umesh: Are you certain its supported ? |
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| 19:41.53 | umesh | h3sp4wn, its a brand new Dell PE 1950 sever |
| 19:41.55 | sint | ok, i've done a paste of the mysql error output: http://onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=1140 |
| 19:41.56 | pumpkin0 | Red_Cloud: upload the config (etc/X11/xorg.conf) and log after you can reboot. That will speed you things... |
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| 19:42.11 | sint | is there anything i can do to fix this? |
| 19:42.26 | sint | i can't start mysql with a initscript |
| 19:42.30 | h3sp4wn | umesh: But what makes you think that broadcom has released specs for the card (or there even is a driver for it) |
| 19:42.49 | PopeFelix | umesh: then it may not be supported as of yet. we've got a supermicro box at work where the default kernel won't detect the RAID or the NICs. |
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| 19:43.33 | sint | i think the error is on line 37 |
| 19:43.38 | PopeFelix | sint: I think your database is hosed. |
| 19:43.43 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 19:43.44 | sint | that means? |
| 19:43.51 | Mazingaro | is anyone using openbios? |
| 19:44.00 | sint | its a fresh install |
| 19:44.03 | abrotman | it means ask #mysql |
| 19:44.25 | phpnubornfeelsli | what is open bios |
| 19:44.33 | PopeFelix | sint: fresh install, eh? |
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| 19:44.35 | abrotman | an ... open .. bios ... |
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| 19:44.39 | sint | ya |
| 19:44.39 | abrotman | phpnubornfeelsli: ask google |
| 19:44.44 | phpnubornfeelsli | ok.. |
| 19:44.54 | Bhavesh | anyone running third party firmware on linksys wireless router? |
| 19:45.05 | pumpkin0 | sint: remove all DB-files and recreate them. |
| 19:45.11 | PopeFelix | sint: what he said. |
| 19:45.22 | h3sp4wn | umesh: Look on broadcom's site - there is binary drivers (Chances are they suck though) |
| 19:45.24 | PopeFelix | Bhavesh: I'm running openWRT |
| 19:45.32 | pumpkin0 | !tell Bhavesh about anyone |
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| 19:46.38 | exner | can i belive deborphan ? ;) |
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| 19:46.58 | phpnuborn | next question.. does linux/debian keep track of DNS response times in a log somewhere? |
| 19:47.05 | PopeFelix | exner: did deborphan break your heart, steal your girl, then laugh at your pain? |
| 19:47.12 | PopeFelix | phpnuborn: I don |
| 19:47.15 | cyzie | pumpkin0, can i plot it and display on the web browser? ehhe |
| 19:47.17 | PopeFelix | try that again. |
| 19:47.26 | PopeFelix | phpnuborn: I don't think so. |
| 19:47.32 | ma3x | how do I specify the file format for l10 l11 l12. All extensions that begin with l and follow with a number? would that be *.l* ? |
| 19:47.35 | umesh | h3sp4wn, thanks |
| 19:47.45 | ma3x | or how do I specify numbers? |
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| 19:48.11 | Rangitoto | I am using the Sarge installer and when I get to the Apt configuration I get the message "Failed to access the Debian archive". |
| 19:48.12 | pumpkin0 | cyzie: you can plot it, save the output to a file and open that one. You are using php/perl to create a image to serve via http ? |
| 19:48.18 | rgsteele | phpnuborn: host -a www.google.com |
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| 19:48.55 | rgsteele | That ought to get you started. There are DNS testing kits out there, though, if you need something more robust |
| 19:49.25 | cyzie | pumpkin0, i have a shell script to pull data from oracle db. i hope using such software to create a graph and show it inside web so end users can retrieve it ;) |
| 19:50.24 | r121 | I'm running Etch right now. When Etch gets released as stable, will I be essentially running stable, or will it automatically give me packages from the new testing? |
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| 19:51.18 | sint | pumpkin0: where to find the DB files? or is there a special command to do this? |
| 19:51.18 | ma3x | hellooo. I want to find all files ending with .l$$ ( $ stands for a number ) |
| 19:51.28 | jonas22 | if you keep your apt sources pulling from testing, you'll stay in testing |
| 19:51.29 | ma3x | for eg. if I have files named l1 l2 l3 l4 - l100 |
| 19:51.33 | ma3x | how do I find them? |
| 19:51.36 | jonas22 | but if your apt sources are pointing to 'etch', you'll stay stable |
| 19:51.42 | ma3x | where l$$ is the extension of the filename |
| 19:51.43 | pumpkin0 | cyzie: gnuplot should be the way to go. http://t16web.lanl.gov/Kawano/gnuplot/image-e.html |
| 19:51.49 | PopeFelix | ma3x: read up on regexps |
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| 19:52.02 | ma3x | what's that? |
| 19:52.11 | PopeFelix | regular expressions. |
| 19:52.12 | pumpkin0 | sint: an simple remove -purge / install should do the trick. |
| 19:52.23 | sint | hm |
| 19:52.24 | sint | ok |
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| 19:52.29 | ma3x | PopeFelix: if you know, can you just tell it to me? |
| 19:52.45 | ma3x | all extensions ending with L and a 2 digits |
| 19:52.52 | ma3x | l34 for example |
| 19:52.52 | PopeFelix | you write a regular expression that says "show all files that match this pattern" |
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| 19:53.14 | PopeFelix | ma3x: I don't. |
| 19:53.14 | ma3x | I'm not sure I understand what you're saying |
| 19:53.49 | PopeFelix | ma3x: Find a tutorial on writing regular expressions. Then write a regular expression to show " all extensions ending with L and a 2 digits" |
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| 19:54.20 | MitchM | (L[0-9]*) |
| 19:55.07 | MitchM | ma3x is this a directory you want to find? |
| 19:55.08 | pelzi_ | nope |
| 19:55.25 | MitchM | ma3x: i.e. are all files in a single directory? |
| 19:55.35 | pelzi_ | L[0-9][0-9] |
| 19:55.45 | MitchM | aye. |
| 19:55.49 | MitchM | what he said,. |
| 19:55.54 | ma3x | Miesco: a file |
| 19:56.04 | phpnuborn | how do i find out if my debain-based vps is using DHCP ? |
| 19:56.11 | ma3x | MitchM: I'm trying to open all l$$ files with kate |
| 19:56.13 | pelzi_ | cat /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:56.16 | ma3x | so I want to specify the extension to kate |
| 19:56.20 | ma3x | but I don't know how... |
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| 19:56.33 | MitchM | ? explain. |
| 19:56.46 | MitchM | you have a ton of files with the .l** extension in a directory |
| 19:56.52 | MitchM | and you want to open all of them? |
| 19:57.33 | ma3x | MitchM: I want to open them with kate, when I click on on of them |
| 19:57.33 | ma3x | I don't want to open all at a time |
| 19:57.33 | ma3x | I just want to make 'kate' the default opener |
| 19:57.33 | MitchM | ah. |
| 19:57.35 | ma3x | yes! |
| 19:57.55 | MitchM | try .l** ? |
| 19:57.55 | qailer | lol :) |
| 19:58.00 | ma3x | MitchM: but .l** can stand for .lol for example |
| 19:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 777] by debhelper |
| 19:58.11 | ma3x | and I want it to specify exactly l** where * = digit |
| 19:58.12 | MitchM | do you have any .lol extensions? |
| 19:58.15 | ma3x | you know what I mean? |
| 19:58.17 | MitchM | yes. |
| 19:58.25 | MitchM | .l\d\d |
| 19:58.30 | MitchM | try that =) |
| 19:58.36 | ma3x | so \d stands for digit? |
| 19:58.39 | MitchM | (dont know how kate parses stuff) |
| 19:58.40 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 19:58.46 | ma3x | ok, let's see |
| 19:58.48 | MitchM | it may or may-not work. |
| 19:58.56 | pelzi_ | and isn't this about the file manager and not kate? |
| 19:59.03 | MitchM | *shrugs* |
| 19:59.08 | ma3x | pelzi_: yes |
| 20:00.29 | MitchM | did it work? |
| 20:00.29 | sint | i don't understand apt-get :( |
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| 20:00.33 | MitchM | sint: what troubles you? |
| 20:00.39 | amphi | sint: use aptitude ;) |
| 20:00.42 | MitchM | sint: apt-get is easy & wounderful. |
| 20:00.43 | sint | i wanna remove mysql |
| 20:00.47 | rgsteele | Bah, apt-get > aptitude |
| 20:00.48 | MitchM | sint: apt-get remove mysql |
| 20:00.54 | MitchM | sint: apt-get remove mysql-server |
| 20:00.56 | PopeFelix | sint: purge it, though. |
| 20:00.58 | MitchM | aye. |
| 20:01.03 | MitchM | listen to popefelix. |
| 20:01.04 | PopeFelix | sint: apt-get remove --purge mysql |
| 20:01.05 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 20:01.06 | sint | what you mean with purge |
| 20:01.11 | sint | ah |
| 20:01.11 | sint | -- |
| 20:01.11 | sint | :D |
| 20:01.14 | PopeFelix | pass the --purge option. |
| 20:01.24 | MitchM | purge clears all the config files and what-not |
| 20:01.26 | PopeFelix | it does some extra stuff - what MitchM said. |
| 20:01.27 | stew | sint: if you don't know what --purge does, i recommend you look it up |
| 20:01.34 | PopeFelix | Listen to MitchM. |
| 20:01.37 | PopeFelix | :) |
| 20:01.37 | MitchM | lol. |
| 20:01.40 | MitchM | :) |
| 20:01.44 | sint | stew, i was trying |
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| 20:02.00 | sint | but try to google purge .. you end up in everything :( |
| 20:02.01 | PopeFelix | OK. I have contributed. Now someone fix my problem for me. ;) |
| 20:02.04 | rgsteele | sint: You do a "man apt-get" |
| 20:02.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: https://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=173881 |
| 20:02.05 | abrotman | HI |
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| 20:02.14 | MitchM | har; what be yer problem lad? |
| 20:02.17 | qailer | hey abrotman :) |
| 20:02.17 | sint | but |
| 20:02.19 | sint | anyway |
| 20:02.20 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:02.24 | MitchM | (still stcuk on TLAPD) |
| 20:02.27 | sint | apt-get remove --purge mysql |
| 20:02.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: SMB clone ? |
| 20:02.33 | stew | sint: and you probably want to remove mysql-common or msyql-common-4.1 (not the non-existent mysql package) |
| 20:02.34 | qailer | long time no see :) |
| 20:02.37 | MitchM | or apt-get remove --purge mysql-server |
| 20:02.44 | sint | end up in this: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 20:02.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: still downloading, it's 6 mb |
| 20:03.02 | MitchM | do an apt-cache search mysql sint |
| 20:03.03 | sint | why apt-get try to start mysql while uninstall it |
| 20:03.03 | PupenoR_ | Hello. |
| 20:03.06 | PopeFelix | wierdness w/ scp and dupload. |
| 20:03.17 | PopeFelix | just a seccy |
| 20:03.52 | PupenoR_ | I am tring to do a port forwarding in a computer, from 200.123.183.93:80 to 192.168.0.150:80, but I can't make it work. These are my rules:http://paste.lisp.org/display/29106 does anybody know what's wrong there ? |
| 20:03.58 | MitchM | argh. I do not know of scp. So i will be of no hope =) |
| 20:04.16 | PopeFelix | poo |
| 20:04.31 | rgsteele | lisp? |
| 20:04.33 | rgsteele | ew |
| 20:04.47 | PopeFelix | Then you must fix the turn signals on my motorcycle. Only then may you redeem yourself from your shame. |
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| 20:05.02 | PopeFelix | rgsteele: I once worked on a Lisp interpreter written in Java. |
| 20:05.03 | sint | MitchM, ok i got it. its a kinda weird system |
| 20:05.10 | Malawar | where.. does konqueror look for plugins at? i can't seem to get flash installed in knoqueror :( |
| 20:05.13 | rgsteele | PopeFelix: I'm so sorry |
| 20:05.22 | MitchM | Popefelix: what type of bike? |
| 20:05.34 | rgsteele | Lisp gives me the shivers...I had nightmares about parentheses for weeks after I studied it in my undergrad |
| 20:05.36 | PupenoR_ | Malawar: that's configurable in Konqueror. |
| 20:05.36 | PopeFelix | '87 Honda Magna. |
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| 20:05.56 | Malawar | hm |
| 20:05.59 | MitchM | hmm; turn signals are not hard =) |
| 20:06.00 | Malawar | is there a system-wide setting? |
| 20:06.07 | rgsteele | Lisp did teach me though, that tail recursion just for the sake of tail recursion is stupid. |
| 20:06.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: and the moron only has binary tarball of win32 executable |
| 20:06.21 | MitchM | eh -- its the thing that controls the "blink" you need to replace that. |
| 20:06.23 | sint | ok, i've done a mysql-server-5.0 with remove and --purge |
| 20:06.26 | MitchM | a transistor I believe. |
| 20:06.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i'd have to get another 6mb with 18kb/s over cvs.... |
| 20:06.31 | sint | it told me everything is correct |
| 20:06.34 | sint | and clean |
| 20:06.35 | sint | but |
| 20:06.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: some people should be hurt |
| 20:06.39 | PopeFelix | MitchM: no, it will be more than that. There are none. |
| 20:06.43 | tarzeau | dpkg tell sint about enter |
| 20:06.44 | rgsteele | sint: |
| 20:06.46 | rgsteele | stop |
| 20:06.47 | rgsteele | doing |
| 20:06.48 | MitchM | toom-foolrey! |
| 20:06.49 | rgsteele | this |
| 20:06.50 | MitchM | tom* |
| 20:06.54 | tarzeau | dpkg tell rgsteele about enter |
| 20:07.04 | qailer | :D |
| 20:07.08 | sint | tarzeau: i got it ;) |
| 20:07.14 | CharminTheMoose | !dpkg tell rgsteel about enter |
| 20:07.15 | MitchM | replace the blinker fluid lately? |
| 20:07.20 | rgsteele | tarzeau: I was exemplifying a point :) |
| 20:07.23 | CharminTheMoose | or not as the case may be |
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| 20:07.33 | tarzeau | rgsteele: in a very annoying way for other 500 people |
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| 20:08.02 | rgsteele | I'm in here every day, I've seen more than one op do the same thing |
| 20:08.16 | sint | so, mysql fails again! it was removed with purge and now i was reinstalling it. it was asking me for a new mysqlpassword! and than: it fails again :( |
| 20:08.46 | sint | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 20:08.46 | sint | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 20:09.19 | rgsteele | sint: tail /var/log/mysql.log |
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| 20:09.26 | rgsteele | sint: or, tail /var/log/mysql.err |
| 20:09.30 | rgsteele | See what your logs say |
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| 20:09.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah ok |
| 20:09.54 | sint | rgsteele: as usualy: EMPTY :( |
| 20:10.02 | abrotman | sint: is this etch/sid ? |
| 20:10.10 | sint | how to find out |
| 20:10.11 | sint | ? |
| 20:10.16 | abrotman | sint: paste your sources |
| 20:10.18 | abrotman | !paster |
| 20:10.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:10.26 | abrotman | sint: from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:10.30 | sint | ah |
| 20:11.13 | abrotman | let's see it! |
| 20:11.33 | sint | http://onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=1141 |
| 20:11.40 | PopeFelix | !dpkg tell popefelix about enter |
| 20:11.58 | sint | PopeFelix: its nothing new ;) |
| 20:11.58 | Ronin | stable and testing |
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| 20:12.09 | rgsteele | Sarge 'n Etch |
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| 20:12.23 | sint | that means? |
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| 20:12.30 | sint | it should work |
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| 20:12.50 | rgsteele | sint: paste your /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 20:12.57 | PupenoR_ | Can anybody help me to make a port forwarding with iptables work ? |
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| 20:13.31 | abrotman | sint: it means you souhld be looking at the BTS |
| 20:13.34 | Malawar | my konq has no plugins settings o_O |
| 20:13.52 | Ronin | probibly shouldn't be mixing and matchind distros either |
| 20:14.16 | sint | http://onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=1142 |
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| 20:15.04 | Malawar | ohs |
| 20:15.11 | Malawar | the plugin compatibility is a separate package. |
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| 20:15.50 | sint | Ronin: you mean its a mixed distro? i haven't set this up! i just got the server and they told me to get it to work for a webapp-project |
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| 20:16.03 | groton | when running ssh on a remote machine, does the PS1 var is defined? here it seems it is not, cause the content of .bashrc file contained in an if [$PS1] is not executed :/ |
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| 20:17.47 | Trixsey | heya =) |
| 20:17.50 | cyzie | PumpkinPie, is that u pumpkin0 ? |
| 20:17.53 | Trixsey | debian or ubuntu? |
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| 20:18.05 | Ronin | Trixsey: what do you think we're goign to suggest |
| 20:18.08 | sint | is there anything i have to change in my.cnf to get mysql to work? |
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| 20:18.21 | Trixsey | Ronin: Windows Vista? |
| 20:18.25 | Trixsey | ;) |
| 20:18.25 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 20:18.32 | Kannix | Hi all! |
| 20:18.53 | plutonas | hi Kannix |
| 20:19.00 | Ramattack | I'm trying to compile a source that needs libmyslclient-dev package to be installed but the problem is mysql client and server are different version than debian provided |
| 20:19.02 | Kannix | Does anyone know how I can backup all my emails from kmail, so I can import them into other email progs, like evolution? |
| 20:19.11 | ma3x | .l\d\d doesn't work |
| 20:19.19 | sint | :D |
| 20:19.40 | ma3x | .l\d\d doesn't work for a extension ending with l and 2 digits after it |
| 20:19.40 | Ramattack | how could I change libmysqlclient-dev debian version? or how could I compile my soft with libmysql-dev of my version? |
| 20:19.57 | MoDaX | Kannix: kmail stores mail in standard maildir format. evolution should support it |
| 20:20.09 | stew | Ramattack: what version of mysql-server are you using? which version of debian are you using? |
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| 20:20.49 | dogbix | Hi, trying to compile lirc modules under Etch and having problems with UTS release version |
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| 20:21.32 | crookshanks | is there a good tool to change links in /etc/rc.* in debian? |
| 20:21.53 | dogbix | seems to be looking in include/linux/version.h which doesn't exist in kernel-source |
| 20:21.54 | crookshanks | rc*.d rather |
| 20:22.18 | Kannix | MoDaX: Unfortunately that is only true, if you where smart enough to tell Kmail to do so. I did not. The mails are in .kde/<long path>/kmail spread over so many files. |
| 20:22.19 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 20:22.34 | crookshanks | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:22.38 | ma3x | stew: i want to 'find' all files with *.l and two digits (for example l32 or l09). how do I specify the expression? *.l/d/d doesn't work |
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| 20:22.58 | stew | ma3x: using the find command? or as a shell glob? |
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| 20:23.28 | sint | ma3x: i think this will not work |
| 20:23.32 | stew | ma3x: in bash it would be *.[0-9][0-9] |
| 20:23.37 | ma3x | stew: both |
| 20:23.46 | stew | in zsh it would be *.<00-99> |
| 20:23.58 | ma3x | stew: so *.l[0-9][0-9] ? |
| 20:24.16 | ma3x | stew: and in file manager? |
| 20:24.22 | MoDaX | Kannix: my mail is in ~/Mail and has always been there. I'm using kmail since kde 3.1 |
| 20:24.22 | Kannix | MoDaX: I take it back. It is the maildir format, not the mbox format. |
| 20:24.34 | Kannix | MoDaX: Well, then you are using the "mbox" format. |
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| 20:24.41 | Ramattack | stew : mysql-4.0.20 and debian sarge 3.1 r1 |
| 20:24.47 | Kannix | MoDaX: You can chose in the setup. |
| 20:25.12 | stew | ma3x: what do you mwan by file manager? |
| 20:25.21 | ma3x | stew: kde file manager |
| 20:25.28 | MoDaX | Kannix: hmm, I think mbox is all mails in one file |
| 20:25.35 | stew | ma3x: i don't know anything about that |
| 20:25.49 | stew | Ramattack: the libmysqlclient-dev in sarge will work fine then |
| 20:26.21 | cyzie | anyone have experience in gnuplot ? how do i set the scale so that it is always 5minutes apart? |
| 20:26.30 | MoDaX | Kannix: and `ls -l /home/modax/Mail/inbox/cur/ | wc -l` gives 466 |
| 20:26.33 | Kannix | MoDaX: Yep. You are right again, and I'm a dufus. |
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| 20:27.03 | Ramattack | stew : but I'm having this log lines .... 060630 14:30:27 Aborted connection 43 to db: 'vpopmail' user: 'vpopuser' host: `localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) |
| 20:27.15 | Kannix | MoDaX: I just found it, too. |
| 20:27.37 | Kannix | MoDaX: So, if I store that directory, will I be able to import it into a new mailapp? |
| 20:27.39 | stew | Ramattack: dunno then. is there a good reason you aren't also using debian's mysql-server packages? |
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| 20:28.08 | Ramattack | stew : I know I'm not using debian mysql packages |
| 20:28.11 | MoDaX | Kannix: you should. maildir is standard |
| 20:28.16 | Ramattack | stew : but the reason is performance |
| 20:28.32 | Ramattack | stew : I wanted to optimize packages completely |
| 20:28.35 | Kannix | MoDaX: Does "evolution" understand maildir? |
| 20:28.44 | Ramattack | stew : and else I'm using qmail |
| 20:28.44 | stew | Ramattack: what is different about your packages which optimizes them? |
| 20:28.57 | Ramattack | stew : I optimize then for my proccesor for example |
| 20:29.12 | Flimzy | I have an IPW2200 wireless NIC in this laptop, and cannot figure out how the heck to turn the radio on. Google is not helping, either... has anyone ever used one of these? |
| 20:29.15 | stew | Ramattack: what cpu do you have? |
| 20:29.21 | Ramattack | and stew : If I install mysql-server debian package then exim4 is installed too... |
| 20:29.24 | Ramattack | I'm running qmail |
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| 20:29.34 | Ramattack | stew : PIV |
| 20:29.45 | musialmati | Hello, I'm new |
| 20:29.49 | Ramattack | stew : but another times I've got xeon machines |
| 20:29.51 | stew | Ramattack: do you have libc6-686 installed? |
| 20:30.03 | musialmati | And I'm from Poland |
| 20:30.07 | stew | Ramattack: /msg dpkg equivs ; use equivs to prevent exim4 from being installed |
| 20:30.11 | musialmati | Hello! |
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| 20:30.27 | Ramattack | stew : I haven't touch libc packages |
| 20:30.29 | phpnuborn | how would i find out if my debian vps is using ncurses ? |
| 20:30.36 | Ramattack | stew are default packages |
| 20:30.38 | MoDaX | Kannix: I don't know. |
| 20:30.49 | l33t1 | anyone know a program on windows that compile .C? |
| 20:30.57 | Ramattack | stew : how do you say I should put for exim to prevent being installed? |
| 20:31.01 | musialmati | Bye. You aren't nice people! <angry> |
| 20:31.09 | stew | Ramattack: i think that going back to debian's mysql-server packages and switching in libc6-686 for libc6 would get you more of a performance increase |
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| 20:31.16 | MoDaX | Kannix: but you can find out |
| 20:31.23 | Kannix | MoDaX: I can google it :) |
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| 20:31.52 | Ramattack | stew : so for that I should do apt-get install libc6-686? |
| 20:32.00 | stew | Ramattack: yes |
| 20:32.23 | Ramattack | stew : sorry for the question but what does libc do? for improving performance? |
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| 20:33.36 | Eclipser | gah |
| 20:35.51 | stew | Ramattack: libc6 is all of the c library functions. its the only package besides the kernel for which debian decided it was important enough to provide a 686 optimized version |
| 20:36.27 | ma3x | stew: thanks! |
| 20:37.18 | PopeFelix | Update on the scp problem: I'm trying to upload to a directory via 'scp -p' to which I have write permission, but am not the owner. |
| 20:38.42 | Ramattack | stew : but libc6 is used for executing programs like mysql-server? or why I'm gonna be improved using this package if I use a precompiled version? |
| 20:38.47 | CharminTheMoose | how do i create a tar file? |
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| 20:38.56 | EvilDin | hi, which mail program can i put in php.ini ? |
| 20:39.01 | CharminTheMoose | tar -cf linux/* doesn't work |
| 20:39.05 | wojci | Is it possible to find out what version of g++ was used to compile a debian package, say "libboost-thread1.33.0c2a"? If so, then how? |
| 20:39.13 | PopeFelix | "tar cf file.tar linux/*" |
| 20:39.42 | EvilDin | there writes ;sendmail_path = |
| 20:39.42 | CharminTheMoose | thanks PopeFelix |
| 20:39.53 | PopeFelix | l33t1: gcc under Cygwin |
| 20:39.58 | EvilDin | do i have sendmail, and how do i install it? |
| 20:40.06 | l33t1 | is this your dad or your mom? http://pr0n.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/8/8f/1157205216247.jpg/450px-1157205216247.jpg |
| 20:40.17 | wojci | l33t1, And msys/mingw. |
| 20:40.39 | PopeFelix | EvilDin: apt-get install postfix |
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| 20:41.58 | wojci | Seems that every time I ask a question, nobody has an answer. ;) |
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| 20:42.36 | PopeFelix | The answer, wojci, is blowing in the wind. The answer is blowing in the wind. |
| 20:42.52 | PopeFelix | Alternately, the answer is somewhere in the binary representation of the digits of pi. |
| 20:44.29 | EvilDin | PopeFelix: what do i add as path to php.ini ? |
| 20:44.49 | PopeFelix | EvilDin: probably /usr/bin/sendmail, but I don't know for sure. |
| 20:45.03 | Ramattack | stew : when I do apt-get install libc6-i686 it tells me .... |
| 20:45.18 | Ramattack | stew : libc6-i686: PreDepende: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4) pero 2.3.6.ds1-4 va a ser instalado |
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| 20:45.38 | stew | Ramattack: you are trying to mix stable and testing which you shouldn't do |
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| 20:45.46 | Ramattack | wow one moment |
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| 20:46.03 | gyuszk | Hi guys. I want to adjust the default font of the Athene widget (the widget of xterm). Can I set a TrueType font for that? |
| 20:46.04 | k-man | when i try and install flashplugin-nonfree from experimental, i get this error: download or license refused |
| 20:46.08 | Ramattack | stew : nope |
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| 20:46.12 | stew | Ramattack: yup |
| 20:46.13 | k-man | and it fails to install |
| 20:46.15 | asg | stew: do you remember when they switched /etc/debian_version to display 4.0 in sid? |
| 20:46.19 | Ramattack | stew : all my sources.list are stable |
| 20:46.23 | stew | asg: never? |
| 20:46.33 | asg | stew: asg@grep:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:46.33 | asg | 4.0 |
| 20:46.34 | k-man | any idea how to fix "Download or license refused" errors? |
| 20:46.35 | stew | Ramattack: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 20:46.44 | gyuszk | Hi guys. I want to adjust the default font of the Athene widget (the widget of xterm). Can I set a TrueType font for that? |
| 20:46.46 | EvilDin | PopeFelix: there is no sendmail in /usr/src |
| 20:46.50 | stew | asg: no idea |
| 20:46.51 | Ramattack | debian sarge 3.1 r0 comes version |
| 20:46.56 | Ramattack | I suppose... |
| 20:47.00 | Ramattack | well this is trial machine |
| 20:47.03 | asg | stew: ah, okay, I'll dig in the changelog then |
| 20:47.07 | Ramattack | could be happen everything lol |
| 20:47.16 | stew | Ramattack: that would be 2.3.2ds1-22 |
| 20:47.19 | PopeFelix | "/usr/bin/sendmail" |
| 20:47.28 | stew | Ramattack: what does "dpkg -l libc6" say? 2.6.2ds1-22? |
| 20:47.31 | Ramattack | but all my sources.list are set as stable |
| 20:47.32 | PopeFelix | note the 'bin', rather than 'src' |
| 20:47.41 | asg | stew: ah, Sat Oct 28 |
| 20:47.53 | stew | asg: how exciting |
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| 20:48.20 | asg | stew: I thought someone was taking the mik since OpenBSD 4.0 was released. |
| 20:48.24 | EvilDin | it tells me that there is no such file /usr/bin/sendmail |
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| 20:49.53 | stew | asg: all my boxes are way out of date |
| 20:50.10 | abrotman | windows? |
| 20:50.35 | cyzie | anyone have experience in gnuplot ? how do i set the scale so that it is always 5minutes apart? |
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| 20:51.15 | Ramattack | stew : 2.3.6.ds1-4 |
| 20:51.22 | stew | Ramattack: right. you are runnign testing, not stable |
| 20:51.30 | abrotman | yay! |
| 20:51.31 | stew | !info libc6 testing |
| 20:51.36 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 4586 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 20:51.37 | stew | Ramattack: ^^ |
| 20:51.38 | asg | stew: my only sid box is this laptop |
| 20:52.01 | Ramattack | stew : Ok totally possible... and now sure lol |
| 20:52.08 | Ramattack | stew : one thing.... |
| 20:52.16 | stew | Ramattack: and this might explain why you are having trouble with mysql client libs |
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| 20:52.29 | Ramattack | stew : nope this is another machine |
| 20:53.44 | Ramattack | stew : one question... if ? wante to install mysql-server (debian package) but didn't want to use exim4 (because I use qmail) what sould I do for qmail not to be installed or should I only stop exim4 service? |
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| 20:54.05 | dondelelcaro | Ramattack: use the qmail-source package, or install a mail-transport-agent equivs package. |
| 20:54.08 | CharminTheMoose | what provides the best compression bzip2 or gzip or other zipping software? |
| 20:54.15 | dondelelcaro | CharminTheMoose: depends on the input. |
| 20:54.43 | CharminTheMoose | what about .tar files? |
| 20:54.45 | Ramattack | stew : second question ... I wanted to compile my own mysql versions... how could you do that if you have for example different libmysqlclient-dev versions than your mysql-server version? |
| 20:54.52 | dondelelcaro | CharminTheMoose: tar files are not compressed. |
| 20:55.06 | CharminTheMoose | for compressing tar files |
| 20:55.12 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Believe he might have meant tar as input to gzip/bzip2. |
| 20:55.12 | Ramattack | dondelcaro : can't do that becaise I like patching qmail my own way |
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| 20:55.27 | dondelelcaro | Ramattack: you can still patch qmail your own way using the qmail-source packages. |
| 20:55.45 | dondelelcaro | CharminTheMoose: again, it depends on the input; generally bzip2 is smaller, but takes longer to compress and decompress. |
| 20:55.46 | stew | Ramattack: if you wanted to compile mysql yourself (which i wouldn't recommend), I'd recommend recompiling the debian packages, which would create for you mysql-server and libmysqlclient* and libmysqlclient-dev pacakges for you which you could use: /msg dpkg source |
| 20:56.07 | Trewas | CharminTheMoose: both gzip and bzip2 have quite bad compression ratios, 7zip and rar are much better |
| 20:56.11 | dondelelcaro | although, I'd question why you'd want to use qmail in the first place... but... |
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| 20:57.19 | Ramattack | stew : so asking for apt-get source mysql-server?= |
| 20:57.52 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: it's totally dependent upon the input data. See http://warp.povusers.org/ArchiverComparison/ for just one comparison. |
| 20:57.53 | stew | Ramattack: yes, or mysql-server-4.1 if you want to use 4.1 instead of 4.0 |
| 20:58.53 | Ramattack | stew : and then you get the source of the debian customized package |
| 20:58.56 | Ramattack | isn't that=? |
| 20:59.06 | Ramattack | or the original mysql source? |
| 20:59.07 | Trewas | dondelelcaro: I was mostly basing on http://www.maximumcompression.com/data/summary_mf.php and my own experiences, maybe there is some case where bzip2 wins rar or 7zip but I guess it takes some time to search that :P |
| 20:59.42 | stew | Ramattack: the debian source, then you can make whatever changes you want to ./configure in debian/rules, and recompile: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 20:59.59 | Ramattack | stew : Ok I see.... |
| 21:00.08 | Ramattack | stew : was curiously |
| 21:00.29 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: well, the link I just gave shows a couple examples of it being a better compressor... |
| 21:00.56 | dondelelcaro | (and in any event, it's quite trivial to create pathological input data which will typically result in a larger compressed file) |
| 21:00.58 | Ramattack | stew : if I'm gonna have mysql-server high loaded would you advise me to use mysql-server debian package? |
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| 21:02.10 | Trewas | dondelelcaro: in the url you pasted some ancient version of rar has been used apparently without -s (solid) option which helps quite a bit with text files (and which is naturally done with tar+anything) |
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| 21:02.48 | numer | hello |
| 21:03.40 | numer | i'm looking for a tool called record, unfortunately i can not find a source for it. does anyone know how i can find out which package contains the software called record? |
| 21:03.55 | stew | numer: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 21:05.34 | Ramattack | stew : what do you say that? |
| 21:06.16 | stew | Ramattack: i'd recommend you use mysql-server packages from debian, yes |
| 21:06.23 | stew | Ramattack: in all cases |
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| 21:06.31 | Ramattack | stew : OK listened |
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| 21:08.33 | kml | with serial console setup in grub what do i need to do to get grub boot menu selection? |
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| 21:09.03 | simon23 | hi guys.... can anyone tell me if theres a securityhole in the debian etch tree? just some hours ago someone on the irc asked me what distro i'm using, seconds after i told him - my system .... crashed/hung. any suggestions ? |
| 21:09.16 | stew | num000: "/msg dpkg pdo" is another way of searching for which pacakges contain which files |
| 21:09.28 | krazykit | er, i seriously doubt it simon23 |
| 21:09.28 | asg | simon23: etch gets no security support other than what comes down from sid via normal means |
| 21:09.30 | simon23 | already searched the web- but havent found anything. |
| 21:09.32 | dn4 | ices: error while loading shared libraries: libmp3lame.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <--- Ideas |
| 21:09.51 | num000 | stew i did already but unfortunately the bot doesn't know anything about record |
| 21:09.57 | simon23 | asg: etch gets security support ! |
| 21:10.07 | num000 | i would be really thankfull if you could type this in |
| 21:10.37 | asg | simon23: based on what stew has said previously, no updates have gone in other than what has filtered down from sid |
| 21:10.38 | LightKnight | dn4: Guess you should install liblame, but it's not present in Debian. Try debian-multimedia.org . |
| 21:10.55 | asg | simon23: are you using screen by any chance to multiplex irssi or some other text-based irc client? |
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| 21:11.32 | dn4 | LightKnight, I have liblame installed |
| 21:11.56 | num000 | i'm looking for a file called record, unfortunatelly i don't know which package contains it and i also do not have apt-file on this computer, can someone please search for me with "apt-file search record" for the package? |
| 21:11.59 | LightKnight | dn4: odd. Maybe it's searching in the wrong path? |
| 21:12.02 | simon23 | asg: i'm using KDE with kopete. |
| 21:12.04 | dn4 | /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 |
| 21:12.38 | asg | simon23: then I don't know. Unless stew has something to say on the issue that contradicts what I said, then testing gets no overt security support. |
| 21:12.40 | LightKnight | dn4: "ldd ices" is of any help? |
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| 21:13.18 | dn4 | ldd ices |
| 21:13.18 | dn4 | ldd: ./ices: No such file or directory |
| 21:13.24 | LightKnight | ldd /usr/bin/ices2 |
| 21:13.24 | simon23 | asg: stew is a bot right ? |
| 21:13.26 | LightKnight | sorry :) |
| 21:13.42 | asg | simon23: heh, no. He's much smarter than a bot. |
| 21:13.46 | simon23 | stew ? |
| 21:13.58 | simon23 | okay :) |
| 21:14.00 | simon23 | sry |
| 21:14.06 | stew | simon23: testing has a security infastructure, but since it was created only 5 or 6 packages have ever been released there, the only one that is current is the "blender" package, the other 5 packages are all very outdated |
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| 21:14.38 | simon23 | okay... |
| 21:14.42 | dn4 | LightKnight, I installed ices by ./configure make make install |
| 21:14.52 | simon23 | who releases the security packages? |
| 21:15.30 | LightKnight | dn4: and you did tell it where to find liblame correctly? (Sorry for those questions, I'm a bit puzzled myself) |
| 21:15.31 | stew | simon23: for testing? nobody. for stable, the debian security team: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSecurity |
| 21:15.50 | stew | simon23: wget -O - http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 | bzless |
| 21:15.54 | dn4 | LightKnight, ./configure found it automatically |
| 21:16.07 | dn4 | what I'm going to do is edit ld.so.conf |
| 21:16.10 | dn4 | and add int he line |
| 21:16.19 | dn4 | /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 |
| 21:16.21 | LightKnight | dn4: that should be worth a try. |
| 21:16.32 | dn4 | not sure why I do this |
| 21:16.35 | dn4 | and how it works |
| 21:17.04 | LightKnight | But I'd give a "ldd /path/to/ices2" just the same :) |
| 21:17.48 | simon23 | stew: and for sarge that works like... bugfixes which are installed when a securityhole are found'n'fixed ? |
| 21:17.51 | dn4 | did not work |
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| 21:18.56 | LightKnight | dn4: ldd or editing ld.so didn't work? |
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| 21:19.51 | dn4 | ok changed the path to /usr/local/lib in ld.so.conf and that worked |
| 21:20.00 | LightKnight | :) |
| 21:20.30 | dn4 | not sure why /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 did not work, I guess I was to specific |
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| 21:20.47 | num000 | stew: i'm on a console only box here, thank you anyway |
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| 21:22.15 | scy | hi. is it possible to remount a mounted ext3 fs to ext2? "mount -t ext2 -o remount /dev/hda1 /" doens't throw any errors, but the fs stays ext3 |
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| 21:22.32 | stew | num000: /msg dpkg find bin/record |
| 21:22.35 | stew | num000: /msg dpkg find bin/record stable |
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| 21:22.46 | Ramattack | does anbody now what libncurses5-dev package does? |
| 21:23.17 | LightKnight | "apt-cache show libncurses5-dev" |
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| 21:24.34 | Ramattack | I need to do apt-get install libncurses5-dev before running make menuconfig compiling kernel |
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| 21:25.05 | scy | yes. |
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| 21:33.46 | disq | installed debian from sarge-custom-1030.iso (backported) but now i need SMP. do i get the newest full image from kernel.org and manually build it or is there any quicker way that will keep my raid and NIC's recognized (current kernel 2.6.19-rc3-1-486) |
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| 21:34.20 | eric__ | hi all |
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| 21:35.01 | krazykit | disq: assumign that kernel is debian-supplied, you should be able to just apt-get the source and build it yourself. |
| 21:35.20 | the-ruediger | hi. Does debian's MySQL support InnoDB? |
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| 21:36.21 | disq | it's from the backported d-i archive so can't get the source directly. theres a SVN but, well dunno |
| 21:37.22 | disq | the-ruediger: if you have the mysql installed you can try "mysqladmin -p variables|grep have_innodb" |
| 21:37.29 | krazykit | it's pretty easy to build your own kernel |
| 21:38.18 | disq | yeah i know :) it's just getting the tarball and building it yourself is not the debian way (tm) (which i'm trying to learn/get used to) |
| 21:39.16 | dn4 | shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 21:39.16 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.20 | krazykit | disq: then use make-kpkg to generate a deb :-P |
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| 21:43.48 | rgsteele | disq: You ought to be using make-kpkg |
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| 21:46.37 | disq | mm.. reading the kernel chapter in the faq, thanks |
| 21:47.31 | rgsteele | Anyone know if PasswordSafe has been ported to MicroJava, or any phone-ish platform? |
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| 21:49.21 | disq | ooh make-kpkg is handy :) |
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| 21:51.23 | pickcoder | disq: yes it is extremely handy |
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| 21:52.19 | abrotman | probably need an alsa-dev or something like that |
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| 21:52.32 | klync | hey all... i've got some space in a colo, and I want to add a new IP address to my server's interface... the new IP they gave me is on a totally different subnet; can i have this address using a different gateway than the first address? |
| 21:53.06 | Phated | klync: Of course - /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 21:53.25 | dn4 | just did apt-get install libasound2-dev trying ./configure again <--- problem solved |
| 21:53.42 | Azar | hello honorables, it looks like the xfree86 was indeed patched, hence my issues with xdm removal. |
| 21:53.58 | LightKnight | dn4: that's correct -- you need -dev libraries to compile :) |
| 21:54.24 | stew | klync: not simply, you can't have more than one default gateway in the same routing table, /msg dpkg split access |
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| 21:54.59 | pickcoder | stew: I've setup multiple gateways |
| 21:55.11 | pickcoder | different devices, though |
| 21:55.15 | pickcoder | by subnet |
| 21:55.17 | klync | thx Phated, stew, pickcoder |
| 21:55.42 | Azar | stew, could you please guide me where is the xfree86 residing, I need to check it up in X11 I only see xserver |
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| 21:56.02 | acecase | hello |
| 21:56.25 | acecase | what package do I install on debian to get the java runtime invironment? |
| 21:56.51 | acecase | I still haven't figured out a good way to search packages with apt :) |
| 21:57.01 | ofer0 | apt-cache search <PKG> |
| 21:57.03 | LightKnight | acecase: sun-java5-jre |
| 21:57.11 | stew | Azar: that was hard to understand, perhaps you want "dpkg -L packagename" |
| 21:57.13 | LightKnight | in Etch or Sid. |
| 21:57.17 | ofer0 | acecase, when using with grep, it's great. |
| 21:57.24 | acecase | thanks. both of yah :) |
| 21:57.25 | ofer0 | apt-cache search java | grep -i java |
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| 21:57.32 | Anarka | erm... |
| 21:57.41 | Anarka | apt-cache search --names-only java |
| 21:57.42 | stew | pickcoder: either they weren't working, or you also setup multiple routing tables, aiui |
| 21:57.55 | acecase | in console so gtg . thanks again |
| 21:57.58 | mac|gyver | Hi, suppose I want to install a single package (subversion in this case) from unstable, how do I go about that? |
| 21:58.16 | Azar | stew, thanks :) |
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| 21:59.35 | mxFonseca | mac|gyver, apt-get -t unstable <PKG> and you need unstable repositories in your souces.list too |
| 21:59.47 | stew | mac|gyver: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:00.06 | stew | mac|gyver: testing or stable? |
| 22:00.15 | mac|gyver | stable |
| 22:00.35 | stew | mac|gyver: you don't want to install testinst/unstable packages onto stable, use a backport: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 22:00.59 | stew | mxFonseca: please don't blindly recommend that people add unstable to their sources.list |
| 22:01.18 | mac|gyver | stew: don't worry, that's why I came here to ask |
| 22:01.29 | mac|gyver | I want to avoid running everything unstable, but is that possible? |
| 22:01.40 | mac|gyver | mixing testing and unstable for example? |
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| 22:02.10 | mac|gyver | I kind of need subversion 1.4, and I don't feel like building that and all its dependencies myself :) |
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| 22:02.12 | stew | mac|gyver: its easily possible with testing/unstable; its just a bad idea with stable/nonstable |
| 22:02.15 | acecase | :) |
| 22:02.20 | stew | mac|gyver: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 22:02.26 | rawtaz | hi all :) im in deep need of some help right now. im in a hurry getting debian isntalled on a hp compaq dc7100, but it has a sata disk, and sarge doesnt seem to recognize it. what should i do? |
| 22:02.50 | mac|gyver | stew: oh sorry.. didn't get it the first time :) |
| 22:02.51 | acecase | I must have a problem. |
| 22:03.10 | acecase | Package sun-java5-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:03.26 | stew | acecase: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:04.05 | acecase | lol i forgot how to tell. |
| 22:04.08 | pickcoder | isn't java in non-free? |
| 22:04.19 | acecase | non-free?! |
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| 22:04.28 | rawtaz | anyone? |
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| 22:04.58 | Phated | acecase: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:05.06 | thingfish | rawtaz: did you try the linux26 install option? |
| 22:05.16 | Catoptromancy | yay i finally got debian desktop working |
| 22:05.25 | acecase | Phated thanks. Its testing/unstable |
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| 22:05.36 | Flimzy | Is there a handy way to configure ethernet bridges in Debian automatically, perhaps with the interfaces file? |
| 22:05.39 | acecase | :) i coulda told yah that |
| 22:05.43 | rawtaz | thingfish: hm. what iso do i need for that? i have businesscard right now. |
| 22:05.59 | stew | acecase: you need non-free in your sources.list: /msg dpkg non-free ; man sources.list |
| 22:06.03 | thingfish | rawtaz: you can get the netinstall image |
| 22:06.19 | rawtaz | ok |
| 22:06.32 | thingfish | See if the business card image has that - I've never used it, so I don't know. |
| 22:06.38 | rawtaz | thingfish: and then at boot what do i type? =o |
| 22:06.43 | acecase | thanks stew. |
| 22:07.08 | thingfish | rawtaz: at the first prompt, type linux26 |
| 22:07.21 | rawtaz | ok |
| 22:07.27 | rawtaz | thanks for now :D |
| 22:07.33 | rawtaz | really eppreciate it, i tell you. |
| 22:07.34 | thingfish | hope it helps |
| 22:07.37 | rawtaz | a* |
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| 22:08.34 | replicah | hi all.. |
| 22:08.51 | replicah | was wondering if people thought that etch was safe enough to use in a production environment? |
| 22:09.31 | pickcoder | replicah: depends on what you're doing with it |
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| 22:10.00 | replicah | its going to be used on a series of servers in a cluster, sitting behind a equalizer.. running some pretty critical sites.. |
| 22:10.07 | secher | !tell me about apt-buglist |
| 22:10.09 | replicah | well sorry |
| 22:10.11 | replicah | one critical site |
| 22:10.20 | dn4 | is there a command to figure out my cpu load? |
| 22:10.34 | secher | what's the buglist apt util? apt-buglist or somesuch? |
| 22:10.45 | pickcoder | I wouldn't run it for extremely critical stuff |
| 22:10.46 | tarzeau | dn4: uptime, xosview, timemon.app, bubblefishymon, top |
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| 22:10.55 | tarzeau | dn4: but mostly it's not just cpu, but also io |
| 22:11.07 | pickcoder | I've been running it for mail services for a while now |
| 22:11.10 | secher | !tell me about buglist |
| 22:11.10 | replicah | what are the drawbacks are far as you can see, in running etch.. eg: security holes or performance?? |
| 22:11.11 | Phated | secher: apt-listbugs. |
| 22:11.12 | pickcoder | a few problems here and there |
| 22:11.20 | secher | Phated: Thanks. |
| 22:11.35 | ehj20 | replicah: php5 and apache2 recently stopped playing together on etch. It might be fixed now but it's to be expected on testing really. |
| 22:11.36 | pickcoder | well, for one, the 2.6.17 kernel choked dead on my one night |
| 22:11.41 | pickcoder | s/my/me |
| 22:11.51 | replicah | ah ok.. well that's a biggy! since we're running php5 and apache2 |
| 22:12.04 | pickcoder | rebooted with 2.6.16 and it hasn't skipped a beat since |
| 22:12.09 | replicah | thats about enough to scare me out of it |
| 22:12.30 | pickcoder | go stable and get newer stuff from backports |
| 22:12.34 | pickcoder | if you have to have it |
| 22:12.41 | replicah | will do - thanks for your helP! |
| 22:12.56 | ehj20 | Debian stable is a bit behind the times, but it is definately 'stable' ;-p |
| 22:13.10 | ehj20 | imho |
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| 22:13.32 | dn4 | is there a command does gives output like this for cpu ussage |
| 22:13.36 | dn4 | CPU states: 95.9% user, 0.0% nice, 1.8% system, 2.3% interrupt, 0.0% idle |
| 22:13.49 | dondelelcaro | dn4: that's the output from top |
| 22:13.56 | acecase | ok im a gentoo user so spoon feed me if you will... I added 'contrib non-free' to my /etc/apt/sources.conf and it just gives me an error message. I assume 'contrib non-free' wasn't litteral? |
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| 22:14.35 | stew | acecase: where it used to say "main" make it say "main contrib non-free" |
| 22:14.35 | pickcoder | contrib non-free should be at the end of your deb source line |
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| 22:14.46 | acecase | stew thanks |
| 22:14.46 | dn4 | ahhh yes top did the trick |
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| 22:17.55 | ChrisW | how does logrotate decide a log file doesn't need rotating if it's set ofr daily rotation? |
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| 22:18.31 | rawtaz | thingfish: thanks mate. it seems to work this far :) |
| 22:20.29 | pickcoder | ChrisW: eh? all files specified get rotated |
| 22:20.50 | Azar | haha nice comment about frozentux: This game is widely rumored to be responsible for delaying the Woody release. |
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| 22:21.09 | rawtaz | next question; im going to duplicate this installation of debian onto 31 other computers, identical to this one. and i need to do it fast :) does anyone have any recommendations on what to use for this? ideally it be done over the network, ie the nodes reading the image over the net? |
| 22:21.18 | ChrisW | from logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.conf: "log does not need rotating" |
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| 22:21.29 | ChrisW | I want to know why it thinks it doesn't need rotating |
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| 22:22.06 | mac|gyver | how 'stable' is 'testing' btw? |
| 22:22.08 | fox__ | hello abrotman |
| 22:22.13 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 22:22.21 | abrotman | mac|gyver: depends |
| 22:22.23 | fox__ | I need your help T_T |
| 22:22.23 | stew | mac|gyver: it changes daily |
| 22:22.32 | abrotman | really? |
| 22:22.37 | fox__ | yes abrotman |
| 22:22.43 | abrotman | okay |
| 22:22.51 | fox__ | I try to play my favorites games in linux T_T |
| 22:22.58 | mac|gyver | ok it changes, but is it likely to cause problems? |
| 22:23.01 | fox__ | but I cant |
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| 22:23.12 | stew | fox__: you need to be more specific |
| 22:23.15 | abrotman | and those games would be ? |
| 22:23.21 | Azar | :) hi mr abrotman, you got a challenge there |
| 22:23.23 | abrotman | mac|gyver: it honestly depends |
| 22:23.30 | fox__ | I got this error in cedega... couldnt load x11drv driver |
| 22:23.38 | abrotman | mac|gyver: for instance .. apache2.2 + php5 broke the other day |
| 22:23.45 | abrotman | i don't use cedega |
| 22:24.02 | mac|gyver | hmm.. what to do what to do :) |
| 22:24.08 | stew | did 2.2 move to etch? |
| 22:24.15 | fox__ | abrotman, then how can play lineage2 and war3 in my debian installation? |
| 22:24.35 | pickcoder | ahh. dependencies. the world would be a soup of uncertainty if they didn't exist. |
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| 22:24.48 | stew | fox__: please don't bother abrotman, perhaps you should be asking in #cedega or #winehq or wherever those people hang out these days |
| 22:25.08 | stew | mmmm, soup |
| 22:25.10 | Azar | stew, what 2.2? |
| 22:25.11 | abrotman | fox__: i don't even know if those are games .. let alone what kind of games they are :) |
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| 22:25.25 | abrotman | stew: i believe so |
| 22:25.29 | abrotman | !info apache2.2-common etch |
| 22:25.31 | Phated | pickcoder: More like certainty - "this certainly won't install". |
| 22:25.32 | dpkg | apache2.2-common: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-2 (etch), Packaged size: 896 kB, Installed size: 3404 kB |
| 22:25.36 | stew | Azar: apache |
| 22:25.39 | dn4 | what is a good irc chat program that is used in console and allows me to connect to multiple servers and channels within one console? |
| 22:25.40 | Azar | ah thanks |
| 22:25.45 | abrotman | dn4: irssi |
| 22:25.50 | stew | dn4: /msg dpkg best irc client |
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| 22:26.17 | peoro | hi |
| 22:26.46 | daedalus_ | Hi |
| 22:26.55 | stew | maybe i can convince these new clients they don't need to be compiling their own apache2.2 now |
| 22:26.59 | pickcoder | [!]start irc-client-war |
| 22:27.06 | u4a | hi all, are there anythink like emerge --depclean in apt? |
| 22:27.09 | dn4 | is there a way to view pdf files in console? |
| 22:27.14 | Azar | yay Mr Burrows replied to my bug report! |
| 22:27.14 | peoro | i've a weird problem with my mouse... |
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| 22:27.24 | abrotman | dn4: convert them to text some how |
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| 22:27.30 | peoro | if i move (or click) it, while pressing a key of my keybord... |
| 22:27.34 | abrotman | u4a: /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 22:27.35 | craigevil | dosnt weechat does the same things as irssi? |
| 22:27.40 | peoro | well, mouse doesn't do anithing |
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| 22:27.45 | Phated | dn4: pdftotext would seem useful. |
| 22:27.51 | daedalus_ | u4a: Given that I don't know what emerge --depclean does... What functionality are you looking for? |
| 22:27.56 | peoro | /dev/input/mice doesn't print anything too |
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| 22:28.03 | Firehand | hi, i get suddenly this: XFS mounting filesystem sda4 VFS: Mounted root (xfs filesystem) readonly Warning: unable to open an initial console Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Has anyone an idea why this occurs so suddenly after a reboot? |
| 22:28.14 | fox__ | T_T |
| 22:28.16 | stew | abrotman: how do you even know what emerge --depclean does? are you a closet gentoobie? :) |
| 22:28.17 | dn4 | Ok how do I kill X and everything with it, so I am only At console |
| 22:28.18 | cyzie | what is the command to convert a ps to png? |
| 22:28.20 | u4a | daedalus_: Determines all packages installed on the system that have no explicit reason for being there. |
| 22:28.29 | blondie | cyzie: imagemagick's convert maybe |
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| 22:28.40 | Azar | dn4 use the Fn keys |
| 22:28.43 | abrotman | stew: he was talkinga bout it earlier (when i told him about deborphan also) .. /lastlog him |
| 22:28.55 | abrotman | !tell u4a about deborphan |
| 22:28.56 | stew | sok |
| 22:28.56 | dn4 | I know I can do ctrl alt F1 and I drop down to console mode |
| 22:29.01 | dn4 | but X still runs |
| 22:29.10 | abrotman | killall X ? |
| 22:29.12 | dn4 | I need to kill X-org and make sure it doesn't take up CPU |
| 22:29.20 | stew | dn4: you want to kill x temporarily or permanantly? |
| 22:29.27 | pickcoder | I've heard of emerge and I know it's a package manager.. does that make me a borderline case? |
| 22:29.30 | daedalus_ | u4a: You are looking for orphan/leaf packages. There are many utilities that do that. Search for "orphan" using synaptic and you should find some. |
| 22:29.45 | stew | pickcoder: it makes you OFFTOPIC :) |
| 22:29.50 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:29.52 | dn4 | stew, temp. |
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| 22:30.01 | stew | dn4: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 22:30.11 | dn4 | ok sweet |
| 22:30.13 | dn4 | PEace everyone |
| 22:31.09 | u4a | daedalus_: thanks :) |
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| 22:32.04 | the-ruediger | is there a mysql5 package with enabled InnoDB-Support? The Backports' package does not have enabled InnoDB-Support |
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| 22:32.35 | daedalus_ | u4a: No problem |
| 22:33.37 | stew | the-ruediger: dotdeb.org, however they have a reputation for lower quality packages |
| 22:34.51 | cyzie | blondie, netpbm |
| 22:35.28 | rawtaz | another question.. netstat shows ports 916, 910, 913 going, how can i make those not be active after a reboot? |
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| 22:35.38 | rawtaz | i did portmap stop but it didnt shitdown those ports |
| 22:36.01 | the-ruediger | stew: how bad? |
| 22:36.18 | stew | the-ruediger: i have no personal experience |
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| 22:36.44 | stew | the-ruediger: but they are the only game in town for mysqli, i haven't heard much about them recently becuase most people are using the backports.org packges now |
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| 22:38.38 | rawtaz | ah, i jsut had to reboot |
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| 22:41.09 | teco | heyho. |
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| 22:43.35 | Gnurdux | why has ftp.debian.org been slow recently? |
| 22:43.48 | Gnurdux | 28.3kB/s |
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| 22:43.58 | dondelelcaro | Gnurdux: pick a different mirror... |
| 22:44.08 | Gnurdux | good idea |
| 22:44.13 | Gnurdux | whats a fast one? |
| 22:44.26 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 22:44.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 22:44.31 | dondelelcaro | See above. |
| 22:44.38 | stew | Gnurdux: pick one that is geographically close to you |
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| 22:48.07 | jorgp | when is the plan to have gnome 2.16 in sid? |
| 22:48.43 | stew | jorgp: i would guess after etch releases |
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| 22:50.34 | me_here | can i ssh to irc from my box ? |
| 22:51.04 | Gnurdux | ftp.us.debian.org is a lot faster |
| 22:51.04 | jorgp | wow that is months away |
| 22:51.24 | pumpkin0 | me_here: ehm, what ? |
| 22:51.28 | simoncion | Me_Here: What do you mean "ssh to irc" from my box? |
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| 22:51.39 | simoncion | Do you mean tunnel IRC connections thru ssh? |
| 22:51.42 | simoncion | \If so, then yes. |
| 22:51.45 | me_here | yes |
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| 22:51.52 | jorgp | 2.18rc will be out by then probably |
| 22:52.19 | rawtaz | geez.. how do i reconfigure the network :o |
| 22:52.28 | Gnurdux | us doesnt seem reliable lol |
| 22:52.32 | rawtaz | isnt there a sysinstall or something |
| 22:52.36 | Gnurdux | changed by a facotr or 10 and back again |
| 22:53.12 | Gnurdux | any mirrors in DC |
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| 22:55.22 | cyzie | pstopnm plotexp.ps | pnmtopng <1> > filename.png // how can the result of before pipe "pipe" into <1> ?? |
| 22:56.15 | LightKnight | pstopnm plotexp.ps | pnmtopng > filename.png |
| 22:56.24 | LightKnight | wait... |
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| 22:56.53 | cyzie | pstopnm plotexp.ps | pnmtopng > filename.png // LightKnight tested this, wont work :=s |
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| 22:57.02 | rawtaz | i cant find it :/ |
| 22:57.32 | LightKnight | cyzie: so, pnmtopng doesn't accept stdin. Uhm... |
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| 22:57.58 | cyzie | yes, that is weird :-s |
| 22:58.12 | cyzie | 2 steps processes? |
| 22:59.19 | LightKnight | Does pstopnm defaults output to a file or to stdout? |
| 22:59.20 | Gnurdux | ah it seems one of the ftp.us.debian.org mirrors is the best: mirrors1.kernel.org so im using that |
| 22:59.23 | Gnurdux | kernel.org is fast |
| 22:59.36 | cyzie | LightKnight, might due to ps files might span for fews files, so pnmtopng does not accept stdin ? dont know.. just stupid guessing |
| 22:59.42 | Gnurdux | noooo its slowing down too |
| 23:00.35 | LightKnight | cyzie: you mean, pstopnm generates multiple files? I wouldn't know, guess a two step solution is the best I can find now :) |
| 23:01.11 | Gnurdux | !tell me about gnome2.16 |
| 23:01.19 | Gnurdux | !tell me about gnome2.14 |
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| 23:01.26 | Gnurdux | !tell me about gnome-2.16 |
| 23:01.36 | cyzie | LightKnight, it might be... dont know.... not so shure |
| 23:02.04 | rawtaz | is there no simple utility to reconfigure network after having installed? |
| 23:02.11 | rawtaz | like in the installation. but after it :) |
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| 23:03.08 | Elimin8-0 | http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/ |
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| 23:04.06 | skyweb | i've debian on ultrasparc5 (2.4.27-2-sparc64) If I install 2.6.8 how i choose what kernel startup? |
| 23:04.10 | EvilDin | hi |
| 23:04.15 | g3brown | I've got a Sarge install that has port 22 open to the net. I'm getting looping attempts attacks. Whats best/simple way to say block the IP address after like 3 bad attempts? iptables? |
| 23:04.20 | Azar | is the gui-apt-key good for etch? I see it is distributed for unstable.. |
| 23:04.27 | EvilDin | how do i prepare sendmail which will work with php applications |
| 23:04.32 | LightKnight | cyzie: give it a try. Also try: pnmtopng `pstopnm plotexp.ps` |
| 23:04.52 | LightKnight | No, that's wrong, dismiss it. |
| 23:05.06 | cyzie | heh :d |
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| 23:05.38 | MoDaX | skyweb: yes |
| 23:05.45 | qailer | g3brown: I get the same things all the time on my server |
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| 23:06.27 | Azar | g3brown: http://www.howtoforge.com/preventing_ssh_dictionary_attacks_with_denyhosts |
| 23:06.45 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 23:07.30 | the-ruediger | stew: innodb still seems to be disabled :/ |
| 23:07.35 | qailer | g3brown, I would rather go on iptables |
| 23:07.53 | g3brown | qailer: You have a sample? |
| 23:08.14 | qailer | g3brown, let me see.. |
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| 23:09.19 | qailer | g3brown: iptables -A INPUT -s <IP-ADDRESS> -j DROP |
| 23:09.40 | robewald | hello, is there a way to emulate chroot by just calling ash builtins? |
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| 23:10.08 | g3brown | qailer: I just googled. and got -> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 <- That look right? |
| 23:10.18 | qailer | g3brown, keep in mind this will only last to reboot, there is some other debian way I don't know, I wrote a script |
| 23:10.25 | qailer | g3brown, let me see |
| 23:11.05 | Azar | g3brown: denyhosts, will stop the dictionary attacks |
| 23:11.44 | g3brown | Azar: I'lll probably play with that one too, but it look a little mess'ier |
| 23:11.55 | qailer | Azar, that's correct, I was missing his point |
| 23:12.05 | robewald | I want to execute the second stage of debootstrap on my router, but i don't have a usable chroot (it is dynamically linked). how can i set the shell root to /some/path without chroot? |
| 23:12.17 | Azar | g3brown: as you said: "it looks" but it is fun and easy if you have patience |
| 23:12.19 | qailer | g3brown, most ones of them are more like what Azar was hinting, I ment just blocking an ip |
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| 23:12.36 | g3brown | ah |
| 23:12.46 | g3brown | Azar: have you looked at portsentry? |
| 23:12.49 | Azar | qailer: ay ay.... zillions of Ips |
| 23:12.53 | robewald | another approach would be to tell the locations of the libraried manually to chroot, is that possible? |
| 23:12.59 | Seb | g3brown: oh please |
| 23:13.15 | Azar | g3brown: no, I picked denyhosts because is simpler and efficient |
| 23:13.17 | Seb | g3brown: don't even mention that piece of shit... |
| 23:13.26 | g3brown | Seb: heh |
| 23:13.27 | qailer | Azar, many ips but not as many bruteforcing him ;) |
| 23:13.34 | Seb | g3brown: i'm serious |
| 23:13.35 | g3brown | Seb: sorry to bring up bad memories? |
| 23:13.53 | Seb | g3brown: nah it is just bad by design |
| 23:13.55 | Azar | qailer: they are bots, thousands of them, can you suggest him to take care of each one? |
| 23:14.06 | Seb | http://www.cipherdyne.org/psad/faq.html#diff_portsentry |
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| 23:14.17 | Azar | mostly spam bots |
| 23:14.54 | qailer | Azar, if they're ssh bruteforces they'll most likley be listed in auth.log |
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| 23:15.10 | Azar | qailer: exactly and his logs will get huge |
| 23:15.19 | qailer | Azar, mine aint |
| 23:15.31 | Azar | denyhosts will only allow 3 tries after which will ban them |
| 23:15.33 | g3brown | Looking at the attacks of a server with open port makes me want some sort of dedicated firewall. |
| 23:16.10 | qailer | g3brown, as I said, follow Azar if you wan't more automatic resolution |
| 23:16.11 | petemc | g3brown: what would the firewall do? |
| 23:16.19 | jZed | I with hubris tried to go from sarge to etch now I can´t even login, is this a good place to ask for help? |
| 23:16.27 | g3brown | Even if everything is secure (which in my case it probably isn't), it still fills up your log files. |
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| 23:16.31 | Seb | jZed: sure |
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| 23:16.45 | Seb | jZed: what's it say ? |
| 23:16.57 | jZed | can login means it doesn t recognize keystrokes at the login prompt |
| 23:17.01 | g3brown | petemc: I played with some that block ip, just like what I'm trying to accomplish |
| 23:17.28 | jZed | grub menu comes up, i hit enter, linux loads, get dhcp and everything, get to login, can type |
| 23:17.39 | g3brown | qailer: thanks. I give Azar suggestion a try later tonite. |
| 23:17.53 | qailer | g3brown, good luck |
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| 23:18.01 | qailer | Azar, see ya |
| 23:18.15 | ArmEagle | hmm does debian still use XFree86.conf and not xorg.conf? |
| 23:18.29 | qailer | ArmEagle, depends on what you use ;) |
| 23:18.37 | azeem | ArmEagle: stable uses XFree86 |
| 23:18.43 | ArmEagle | ok |
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| 23:19.02 | qailer | good night |
| 23:19.02 | ArmEagle | someone forgot to edit it for the nvidia driver it seems. and i was kinda surprised :P |
| 23:19.47 | g3brown | Azar: thanks. |
| 23:21.03 | slackgen | I'm using a testing-iso. To install it to my laptop it requires that DMA be turned off. How can I turn dma off? |
| 23:21.16 | slackgen | my kernel command line is "install nodma ide=nodma vga=790" |
| 23:21.57 | jZed | i tried to upgrade sarge > etch, it quit in middle, I rebooted got grub, got ordinary startup messages, at login prompt nothing happens when I type |
| 23:22.30 | jZed | grub menu recognized my enter key so keyboard is physically communicating with the computer |
| 23:22.47 | jZed | though at debian login it appears not to be |
| 23:22.53 | pumpkin0 | jZed: did you try single-user-mode ? |
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| 23:23.04 | he1ix | hi altogether, i'm looking for an alternative to the 'dsearch' feature of exim, which has been removed in the latest testing-version |
| 23:23.53 | phpnuborn | in the resolv.conf can you have more than 2 nameserver entries? |
| 23:24.15 | Defty | sure |
| 23:24.16 | pumpkin0 | phpnuborn: if you like: yes. |
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| 23:24.44 | phpnuborn | great.. and i assume they are accessed in order.. |
| 23:24.56 | Defty | why on earth would it be restricted to 2? i would get it if it was restricted to one.. |
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| 23:25.08 | pumpkin0 | phpnuborn: if the first one is not replying after XY seconds the second is asked ... and so on. |
| 23:25.11 | phpnuborn | so i can put www.opendns.com settings first.. |
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| 23:26.08 | leOn | howdy |
| 23:27.01 | leOn | what's the best way to disable resolv.conf update on dhclient for a certain interface, and only that interface ? |
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| 23:27.27 | jZed | pumpkin0 how would I try single-user mode? |
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| 23:28.20 | pumpkin0 | jZed: do you have a "recover"-line in the grub-menu ? |
| 23:28.23 | Gnurdux | when will gnome 2.16 be available |
| 23:28.37 | pumpkin0 | Gnurdux: ask the guys from gnome ? |
| 23:28.50 | Gnurdux | its been released; i mean IN debian |
| 23:29.04 | jZed | um I mispoke its Lilo menu, no recover option |
| 23:29.24 | rawtaz | i have a gateway set with the address and netmask and so on, in etc/network/interfaces. but i dont get a default route set, do i need to set it somewhere else? |
| 23:30.01 | stew | Gnurdux: i'd guess soon after etch releases |
| 23:30.12 | pumpkin0 | jZed: even that one should have a single-user or recover line ... |
| 23:30.26 | azeem | Gnurdux: parts of it will be in etch |
| 23:30.35 | leOn | rawtaz: that gateway must be associated with a certain interface, it's not a "global setting" |
| 23:30.43 | stew | azeem: parts but not the whole thing? |
| 23:30.50 | rawtaz | leOn: ooh. whould i set it in another file then? |
| 23:30.53 | leOn | it's one of the interfaces configuration directives |
| 23:30.56 | leOn | no no |
| 23:30.57 | jZed | itÅ› got just linux and windows, but can I call linux with args? |
| 23:31.05 | azeem | stew: yeah, gconf2 is in, e.g. |
| 23:31.21 | azeem | but anything depending on gnome-vfs2 and libgnome will not |
| 23:31.31 | leOn | just put the line right under the address and netmask definition for that interface |
| 23:31.34 | stew | azeem: oh is that why gconf2 kills my system? |
| 23:31.36 | azeem | not sure whether that is anything depending on the new versions of |
| 23:31.40 | azeem | stew: euh :) |
| 23:31.41 | rawtaz | leOn: could you please elaborate a bit so that i know how to set a static default route in my system, the correct way? |
| 23:31.44 | rawtaz | ah |
| 23:31.59 | rawtaz | leOn: you mean the line: gateway IPTOGATEWAY |
| 23:31.59 | rawtaz | ? |
| 23:32.01 | stew | azeem: if i have gconf2 installed i get several hard lockups per day |
| 23:32.01 | rawtaz | i have that |
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| 23:32.07 | leOn | yes |
| 23:32.18 | dondelelcaro | rawtaz: if you have a gateway set, that is what sets the default route. |
| 23:32.18 | azeem | stew: since when? |
| 23:32.28 | dondelelcaro | rawtaz: your gateway *is* the endpoint of the default route. |
| 23:32.45 | stew | azeem: #392907 it started about a week before i filed, i didn't figure out right away that it was gconf2 and i'm still not positive |
| 23:32.51 | rawtaz | dondelelcaro: lol. sorry im confued >_< |
| 23:32.53 | pumpkin0 | jZed: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Booting_into_single_user_mode#LILO |
| 23:33.08 | leOn | rawtaz: you saw that? |
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| 23:33.52 | jZed | thanks pumpkin0 |
| 23:34.06 | rawtaz | leOn: yes, thank you. i have that very thing. divided on several lines though |
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| 23:34.17 | rawtaz | and im only getting the route for the network itself |
| 23:35.14 | dondelelcaro | rawtaz: it'd help if you use the paste bot to paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces; the output of route -n; and ifconfig -a; and their output after you've done ifdown <iface>; ifup <iface>; |
| 23:35.31 | stew | "bot" |
| 23:35.32 | azeem | stew: but that is the 2.14 version |
| 23:35.33 | rawtaz | ok |
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| 23:35.35 | rawtaz | indeed |
| 23:35.43 | stew | azeem: oh, right, sorry |
| 23:35.48 | rawtaz | aaah |
| 23:35.49 | rawtaz | moment |
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| 23:37.48 | leOn | anyone got a clew on how i can make dhclient stop updating my resolv.conf for a certain interface ? |
| 23:38.33 | stew | leOn: man dhclient.conf |
| 23:38.39 | sts | hello folks |
| 23:38.45 | sts | yesterday i upgraded my debian system, it came with apache 2.2 (debian/testing) but now i can't find mod_fastcgi for apache. |
| 23:38.51 | sts | apache2 actually. |
| 23:38.55 | sts | its somewhat strange because packages.d.o shows me mod_fastcgi.so in web/libapache2-mod-fastcgi but when i click on the link, it returns an error. have a look: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=+mod_fastcgi.so&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 23:39.40 | relbs | I'm trying to compile a kernel module with make-kpkg, so I unpacked it to /usr/src/modules, did a make-kpkg clean ; make-kpkg debian modules_image, but I get an error message 'The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h \ "" \ does not match current version... " |
| 23:39.44 | relbs | what option do I need to tweak? |
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| 23:40.22 | jZed | gah, pumpkin0 I tried single user mode and it gets to prompt to enter password or press control D and that won´t recognize my keyboard either |
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| 23:40.44 | pumpkin0 | jZed: do you have a PS/2-keyboard around .. ? |
| 23:41.14 | yacc | jZed: Have you tried init=/bin/sh rw as parameters? |
| 23:41.15 | jZed | this is ps2 but through a usb switch |
| 23:41.28 | leOn | well stew ... that was my very first option. happens that there isn't a single reference to "resolv" in that page ... i assume by your sugestion that you are sure i can find relevant info in that man page ... |
| 23:41.53 | Gnurdux | when will iceweasel go in? |
| 23:41.57 | Gnurdux | to testing |
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| 23:42.35 | pumpkin0 | jZed: connect it directly and reboot (i suspect the USB-suppotr for keyboards is gone ...) |
| 23:42.44 | jZed | linux init=/bin/sh rw gives me a prompt that I also can type into |
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| 23:43.01 | jZed | s/can/can not/ |
| 23:43.17 | leOn | stew: i also use to tell others to read the man page, but only when i know there is relevant info in there. |
| 23:43.24 | jZed | ok will try the keyboard switch and reboot |
| 23:43.43 | stew | leOn: you can override all of the stuff in resolv.conf, like nameservers / domain / search |
| 23:44.06 | slackgen | how do you disable dma during installation? |
| 23:44.17 | leOn | happens that i don't wish to override anything |
| 23:44.25 | leOn | my question was very clear |
| 23:45.01 | leOn | if the ifup is for a certain interface, do nothing in resolv.conf |
| 23:45.10 | stew | leOn: then you have to provide a different /etc/dhclient-script |
| 23:46.14 | leOn | kind of an ugly hack, no? |
| 23:46.28 | stew | leOn: yes |
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| 23:47.54 | stew | leOn: so make one |
| 23:49.04 | stew | leOn: or use a different dhcp client |
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| 23:49.12 | stew | leOn: maybe look at resolvconf |
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| 23:49.27 | Sayers | Hello Debian |
| 23:49.31 | Sayers | I got it to work in Xchat |
| 23:49.34 | Sayers | simply enough |
| 23:49.40 | Sayers | :) This is so much better! |
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| 23:50.36 | krazykit | bah. i need to buy a new wlan card |
| 23:50.47 | rawtaz | leOn, dondelelcaro it was a digit in the wrong place T_T |
| 23:50.48 | krazykit | to replace this useless broadcom piece of junk |
| 23:52.00 | Azar | leOn: look from chapter 10 down, maybe there is a topic to give you an idea: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html |
| 23:52.16 | jZed | darn, same thing with keyboard in ps2 plug |
| 23:52.33 | jZed | i can type at lilo menu, not at debian login |
| 23:52.57 | leOn | Azar: yeah .. been there .. looking at resolvconf as we speak |
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| 23:54.46 | Sayers | Wow, Xchat is a lot better... |
| 23:54.59 | Sayers | I'm amazed and to think I had bitchx all this time |
| 23:55.27 | krazykit | eeew, bitchx |
| 23:55.34 | Sayers | Agreed |
| 23:55.35 | krazykit | irssi is better ;-) |
| 23:55.44 | Sayers | But back then it was the best I could figure out how touse |
| 23:55.52 | xerophyte | does any good GUI programming evn for gnome ?? |
| 23:55.54 | Sayers | and it does get the job done |
| 23:56.01 | jZed | so any ideas how to recover when debian won´t recognize the keyboard? |
| 23:56.28 | jZed | go in with knoppix and reset something? |
| 23:56.28 | krazykit | jZed: bad as it sounds, different keyboard? |
| 23:56.33 | krazykit | there shouldn't be anythign to reset. |
| 23:56.40 | jZed | it was working ten minutes ago |
| 23:56.40 | krazykit | a keyboard is a keyboard, there are no fancy drivers |
| 23:56.54 | krazykit | well, what did you do between ten minutes ago and now? |
| 23:57.01 | wols | krazykit: not with USB |
| 23:57.04 | jZed | when it quit in the middle of a sarge->etch upgrade then stopped working |
| 23:57.27 | azureal | yea, bitchx is not fun.. |
| 23:57.28 | mykhal | I'd like to build a package (extracted deb src) without recompiling - I have already compiled source (using `make'). Is it possible ? |
| 23:57.39 | jZed | I was trying to upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 23:57.53 | jZed | it would quit and tell me run dpkg --configure -a |
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| 23:58.12 | jZed | and then I´d try apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 23:58.22 | krazykit | naw, ps2 or usb, keyboards are keyboard |
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| 23:58.29 | jZed | kept getting segraults |
| 23:58.37 | krazykit | oh |
| 23:58.43 | jZed | tried to reboot ... |
| 23:58.47 | krazykit | chroot into your system |
| 23:58.54 | krazykit | dist-upgrade again |
| 23:59.22 | jZed | chroot into it? |
| 23:59.27 | grendal_prime | what would you recommend for scanning for available networks(wireless that is) |
| 23:59.32 | jZed | if itÅ› not running? |
| 23:59.51 | wols | jZed: he means boot a live cd, chroot into it and dist-upgrade again |
