| 00:00.06 | eeyore- | Faithful: postfix is, however |
| 00:00.10 | Sayers | Yes it did , thankyou, The comma drove me the wrong way |
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| 00:00.28 | SerajewelKS | Faithful, eeyore-: i use postfix on my mail server too. and courier for pop3. |
| 00:00.42 | Fy_Hertz | http://sephiroth6.free.fr/smb.txt |
| 00:00.48 | Fy_Hertz | this my smb.conf file |
| 00:00.50 | gouki | Does the Black Dog USB dongle (Debian-based) really works like the demonstrations? (plug and play and voilá: debian) |
| 00:00.58 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: actually, lately i haven't been checking my mail on my private domains ... they're just piling up :-p |
| 00:01.07 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: so my MUA of choice is .... vim |
| 00:01.07 | SerajewelKS | i'd rather stick needles under my fingernails than try to configure exim. |
| 00:01.29 | eeyore- | (and grep) ... yeah ... grep and vim. |
| 00:01.40 | Fy_Hertz | "type in "smbstatus"" <- okay i'll triy that |
| 00:01.46 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: hehe. i have the account used in thunderbird so i automatically check it with my other accounts like school (which i have to check regularly). |
| 00:01.48 | tarzeau | where is man gcc now? |
| 00:01.58 | azeem | in non-free, probably |
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| 00:02.09 | Fy_Hertz | so is there anything wrong with my smb.conf file ? |
| 00:02.12 | SerajewelKS | gcc manpage is nonfree? |
| 00:02.14 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: it's not helping that we block pop3/imap to non-company servers :-) |
| 00:02.15 | azeem | tarzeau: or not packaged yet |
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| 00:02.24 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: ssh tunnel! |
| 00:02.52 | Faithful | Well, so far I use postfix & courier for pop & imap, spamassassin, clam-av... but that is a bit of configuring each time. And, knowing debian has Exim straight out of the box and that exim has nice packages for spamassassin & clamav ... I was wondering why? |
| 00:02.52 | eeyore- | tarzeau: hasn't been there in a while. "info gcc" |
| 00:02.52 | irfaN | hi all |
| 00:02.52 | tarzeau | eeyore-: yeah i noticed, but i need it |
| 00:02.52 | tarzeau | azeem: nice |
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| 00:03.23 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: that will be frowned upon, thank you :-) |
| 00:03.24 | pickcoder | gouki: it's a little more involved than that, but yeah |
| 00:03.37 | eeyore- | !spank serajewelks |
| 00:03.44 | Fy_Hertz | i'm french: i don't the name in english... should be favourite network or something... anyway in it i see my debian pc then when i try to open it: error no right |
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| 00:04.20 | azeem | !fr |
| 00:04.20 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:04.35 | Fy_Hertz | ahhh oki |
| 00:04.41 | tarzeau | does someone have gcc etc manual pages package somewhere? |
| 00:04.51 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: pop3 over SSL on a high port! |
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| 00:05.08 | eeyore- | Fy_Hertz: i'm gonna throw out random answers in no particular order: (1) use per-share security, or (2) use per-user security and set up user accounts and chown/chmod files so proper user/group can read them, and (3) force samba to run as particular uid/gid for those shares, or, make all shares really lax, permission-wise |
| 00:05.15 | eeyore- | Fy_Hertz: lots of options |
| 00:06.06 | eeyore- | Fy_Hertz: also nice is to run your own windows domain and make samba the master of the domain, but that's getting complicated, and probably not necessary in your case |
| 00:06.18 | cobelloy | can I get a copy of someones sources.list? I am having trouble finding active repositories |
| 00:06.44 | Fy_Hertz | i have already tried per shar security its the same |
| 00:06.45 | eeyore- | Fy_Hertz: hint for your case, try reading up on "man smb.conf" and read the section on "username map =" |
| 00:07.18 | eeyore- | Fy_Hertz: i have a feeling your Windows EcksPee usernames are not UNIX-friendly, so map them |
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| 00:07.29 | rj45 | hi |
| 00:07.37 | rj45 | is any freenode staff in here? |
| 00:07.50 | eeyore- | rj45: i charge fifty bucks per consultation |
| 00:07.58 | eeyore- | rj45: paypal |
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| 00:08.04 | Fy_Hertz | eeyore do you know swat ? |
| 00:08.12 | eeyore- | Fy_Hertz: i hate swat |
| 00:08.19 | Fy_Hertz | ahhh |
| 00:08.20 | rj45 | eeyore- what the number¿ |
| 00:08.24 | eeyore- | Fy_Hertz: it obliterates my nicely formatted comments |
| 00:08.46 | gouki | pickcoder - Sorry for the delay! - I really like the idea of having a Debian ready to go on a cute usb dongle like that. There is documentation for development, so porting some cool apps could be easily done, I think |
| 00:09.08 | eeyore- | gouki: how big is this USB dongle to be able to fit debian?!? |
| 00:09.12 | irfaN | I have install pure-ftpd on debian stable. But /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd restart command, and nothing. What is my problem ? |
| 00:09.15 | Fy_Hertz | because i had an idea maybe i can allow your ip to connect my swat so that yu can cofigure it yourself ....... |
| 00:09.31 | gouki | There are two sizes, 256 and 512MB | eeyore- |
| 00:09.32 | eeyore- | irfaN: dunno. read the pure-ftpd log file for start? |
| 00:09.43 | eeyore- | gouki: come on ... you can fit debian in 512MB? |
| 00:09.52 | Fy_Hertz | ohh know cant work |
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| 00:10.42 | Fy_Hertz | "map them" what do yu mean |
| 00:10.49 | eeyore- | Fy_Hertz: no! :-) sorry. many reasons why i can't "connect to your PC and work for you" |
| 00:10.59 | pickcoder | eeyore-: there's an MMC slot |
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| 00:11.05 | eeyore- | Fy_Hertz: "man smb.conf", read section on "username map" |
| 00:11.08 | pickcoder | eeyore-: you can throw 4GB on there |
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| 00:11.10 | CrippsFX | Im looking for a piece of software that will help me to generate tree diagrams ... does anybody know of one offhand? |
| 00:11.16 | Fy_Hertz | oki |
| 00:11.21 | gouki | exactly |
| 00:11.27 | pickcoder | http://www.projectblackdog.com/product.html |
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| 00:11.53 | gouki | by default, it comes with 2.6.10 kernel on it |
| 00:12.01 | irfaN | eeyore-, Where is it log file ? I see only /var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log file, it is emty file ? |
| 00:12.31 | gouki | pickcoder - have you had the chance of messing around with it? |
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| 00:12.56 | eeyore- | irfaN: /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages? |
| 00:13.01 | pickcoder | gouki: no, but I know someone who put the OpenQM pick variant on theirs |
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| 00:13.48 | gouki | hehe! I gotta get myself one of those things!! | pickcoder |
| 00:14.06 | eeyore- | pickcoder: "project" it to your XP computer? what the heck is this thing? |
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| 00:14.15 | eeyore- | pickcoder: is it just a big drive? |
| 00:14.18 | pickcoder | eeyore-: it's a mini server |
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| 00:14.35 | eeyore- | pickcoder: does it have web server? |
| 00:14.36 | pickcoder | eeyore-: it takes over the peripherals of the PC and runs a tiny distro of Debian |
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| 00:14.52 | pickcoder | eeyore-: you can put whatever you want on it |
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| 00:15.11 | eeyore- | pickcoder: so ... it's just a disk, more or less ... as long as you set up paths so you can access the (static) files you're OK |
| 00:15.15 | eeyore- | pickcoder: right? |
| 00:15.18 | pickcoder | yup |
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| 00:15.40 | pickcoder | it's basically a usb drive |
| 00:15.43 | eeyore- | pickcoder: but no such thing as "develop"ing php/mysql applications, right? (the webpage uses "develop application" phrase) |
| 00:15.44 | pickcoder | with extras |
| 00:15.48 | quintin | ddclient is using local address, not the wide-area-network address. it worked fine on gentoo... what do I need to change? |
| 00:16.00 | pickcoder | eeyore-: you're running a Debian based distro when it boots |
| 00:16.08 | pickcoder | eeyore-: as long as you have PHP on there you can write apps |
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| 00:16.53 | eeyore- | yeah yeah ... |
| 00:16.58 | grendal_prime | hey im trying to log into a remote machine and fire up an x app. i forgot how exactly i have to configure ssh to do this... |
| 00:17.04 | eeyore- | might be interested if it had something like ODB-II :-) |
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| 00:17.27 | eeyore- | or some sort of display ... |
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| 00:17.39 | obseleron | hey guys |
| 00:17.43 | obseleron | a quick question |
| 00:17.43 | eeyore- | i see it has USB2.0 so i might be able to get by with ODB-II <-> USB dongle |
| 00:17.46 | pickcoder | eeyore-: that's what PDAs are for |
| 00:17.53 | grendal_prime | i thought there was a way to do it with one line...cant remember though...i remember that it is more complicated to do in debian as it is in the fedora systems |
| 00:17.56 | obseleron | the new debian is shipping this december |
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| 00:18.06 | eeyore- | pickcoder: yeah, i'm leaning in that direction since i already have the garmin ique in the car |
| 00:18.16 | eeyore- | touch screen and all ... |
| 00:18.18 | obseleron | could you please tell me if the stable / testing duo will change lifecycle after that? |
| 00:18.33 | obseleron | i am just asking, not trolling or anything |
| 00:18.53 | eeyore- | pickcoder: that's kind of why i was looking at the nokia tablet as well |
| 00:18.57 | cobelloy | can I have stable and unstable repositories in my sources.list at the same time? |
| 00:19.12 | eeyore- | pickcoder: the form factor is just right. decent price point. display + touchscreen ... USB |
| 00:20.24 | tarzeau | cobelloy: yes, but you shouldn't |
| 00:20.32 | tarzeau | cobelloy: ask !mix |
| 00:20.47 | tarzeau | obseleron: looked at http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ yet? |
| 00:20.56 | george_ | obseleron: right now sarge (debian-3.1) is stable... the next major release will have etch be the new stable, and another testing will be started with some new name |
| 00:21.06 | pickcoder | I'm out.. bbl |
| 00:21.19 | irfaN | eeyore-, thanks, I to investigate.. |
| 00:21.48 | obseleron | tarzeau: i will look at that, george_ thank you |
| 00:22.15 | obseleron | you guys are never lame like ops in other distro channels when you ask about trivia like this :) |
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| 00:22.48 | george_ | obseleron: we have our moments like anyone else :P |
| 00:22.50 | george_ | :) |
| 00:23.07 | obseleron | george_: hmm i hardly doubt it though there can be some hate moments |
| 00:23.20 | george_ | exactlyu what I'm saying |
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| 00:23.41 | obseleron | hmm no go on that link tarzeau, am I to suppose that current time spans from testing - > next gen stable are to remain the same? |
| 00:23.56 | tarzeau | obseleron: didn't the url open? |
| 00:24.09 | tarzeau | obseleron: it shows a curve which is stuck at 250 |
| 00:24.14 | obseleron | it did open mate, the problem is that i cannot find the information i want |
| 00:24.18 | george_ | we have no info on timeframes except the timeframes that already have passed :) |
| 00:24.24 | tarzeau | obseleron: and if goes below 80 |
| 00:24.30 | obseleron | that means that a couple of years :) |
| 00:24.32 | tarzeau | obseleron: really look at the curve |
| 00:24.36 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrr |
| 00:24.37 | obseleron | okay tarzeau |
| 00:24.41 | grendal_prime | hey im trying to log into a remote machine and fire up an x app. i forgot how exactly i have to configure ssh to do this... |
| 00:24.54 | tarzeau | obseleron: if you find 250 people to fix one bug each from today to tomorrow, the release could be this weekend |
| 00:25.03 | george_ | the remote probably needs xbase-clients installed |
| 00:25.06 | dondelelcaro | !+sshx |
| 00:25.06 | dpkg | [sshx] Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 00:26.05 | george_ | note that all that is because x server is run inside a ssh-agent |
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| 00:26.41 | dondelelcaro | george_: that has nothing to do with it |
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| 00:26.51 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: remote sshd will have to allow X port forwarding, must have xauth, and X libs |
| 00:26.58 | g3brown | When you select 'file server' during the initial config, what gets installed? I know samba does, but I'd like to know exactly. |
| 00:27.05 | eeyore- | george_: eh? :-) |
| 00:27.12 | dondelelcaro | ssh-agent doesn't have anything to do with setting up .Xauthority |
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| 00:27.41 | george_ | dondelelcaro: so if x server was not run inside an ssh-agent, you'd still be able to forward? |
| 00:27.42 | obseleron | ho well i will just have to get used about stable releases every couple of years or stick to testing :P |
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| 00:27.52 | grendal_prime | eeyore-, ya it has x on it and xauth im assuming. |
| 00:27.53 | dondelelcaro | george_: yes. |
| 00:28.11 | dondelelcaro | george_: all ssh-agent does is allow you to store decrypted ssh keys temporarily |
| 00:28.25 | Sayers | Alrightie I got backports to work |
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| 00:28.29 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: should be OK, then. "ssh -v" to read the debug messages |
| 00:28.41 | Sayers | Now how do I finish up with java |
| 00:28.44 | grendal_prime | i was thinking in the sshd config it needed the x11 forwarding set to yes |
| 00:28.49 | george_ | ok, so the only thing the agent would add is holding the keys, on the part of anything the x server runs |
| 00:29.09 | dondelelcaro | george_: it has nothing to do with the xserver. |
| 00:29.12 | george_ | Sayers: how do you mean "finish up" |
| 00:29.20 | dondelelcaro | george_: you have to explicitely add keys to ssh-agent using ssh-add. |
| 00:29.23 | eeyore- | george_: ssh-agent doesn't care about X, unless you're talking about the X on a tangential sense (that there are variants of GUI-based ssh-agent) |
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| 00:29.53 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: yes, it does... see the factoid above for complete details |
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| 00:30.03 | Sayers | I was able to get it to use the back ports Apt-get , so now I'm ready to download the " Non-free " version of Java? Or so I hear |
| 00:30.10 | george_ | dondelelcaro: is it not the case that when the x server is to be run, an ssh-agent wraps around it? |
| 00:30.19 | dondelelcaro | george_: no. |
| 00:30.29 | george_ | when did that change? |
| 00:30.31 | eeyore- | george_: more like, the *desktop environment* runs ssh-agent for you, just to be nice |
| 00:30.47 | DutchFish | hi guys, installing testing on new duo core intel with amd64 weekly. Never had this: every time i install a new package or so i get: dpkg: coorupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive. Sec: apt-get clean && apt-get -f install does not help, any hints? |
| 00:31.00 | dondelelcaro | george_: ssh-agent is often started in the Default Xsession so it's always available. It doesn't do anything else besides start when the session starts, and stop when it stops |
| 00:31.22 | george_ | ok |
| 00:31.52 | george_ | yes, I knew the reason was approx 'to be nice' |
| 00:32.08 | Sayers | Infact ' apt-get install java-package' looks like it is getting the job done :) |
| 00:32.30 | george_ | Sayers: so you want to install sun java? |
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| 00:33.42 | Sayers | Yes and now I am installing this "J2SE(TM) and NetBeans(TM) IDE Cobundle (J2SE 1.5.0 U9 / NB 5.5) Linux" thing the DPKG Reccomends, or infact tells me to get. |
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| 00:33.59 | Sayers | And netbeams *Sounds* very neat. |
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| 00:35.12 | george_ | java-package does the following: "from a sun or ibm (or possibly other) java runtime or java developmnent kit, rip it apart and put it back together into a debian package" |
| 00:36.35 | george_ | and after installing java-package, you have to: (1) read the list of supported javas, (2) pick one and download it, and (3) run make-jpkg to create a debian package of it. |
| 00:36.43 | george_ | (but you're still not done :) |
| 00:36.58 | george_ | then you use dpkg to install that resulting debian package |
| 00:37.10 | george_ | then you have java :) |
| 00:37.30 | DutchFish | also have: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe), while apt-get install foo, what going on? |
| 00:37.50 | george_ | defective plumbing? |
| 00:37.59 | Sayers | What? |
| 00:38.18 | george_ | depends on foo and your machine |
| 00:38.44 | george_ | or maybe just one or the other |
| 00:39.10 | george_ | Sayers: what, you want me to repeat all that?? :) |
| 00:39.19 | Sayers | Well, couldn't if by chance I did that, just release it to the public |
| 00:39.24 | DutchFish | george_: foo is xen-kernel and my machine new core duo 3.4 with hardware sataII 3ware adapter |
| 00:39.28 | Sayers | Sounds like somthing should only be done once. |
| 00:39.44 | george_ | Sayers: yes. |
| 00:40.13 | Sayers | Then why hasn't it? |
| 00:40.20 | george_ | you're installing java once (well hopefully: maybe you pick one that you don't want) |
| 00:40.32 | george_ | because what it does is install a script |
| 00:40.38 | george_ | look at what I posted |
| 00:40.43 | george_ | understand it |
| 00:40.49 | Sayers | Sort-of. |
| 00:40.51 | george_ | and YES, it does work that way |
| 00:40.55 | Sayers | I don't get how to but I get the concept |
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| 00:41.14 | george_ | that's good :) |
| 00:41.25 | george_ | so do you have java-package installed now? |
| 00:41.34 | Sayers | I am 99% sure I do |
| 00:41.54 | Sayers | Is there a nifty one liner to check? |
| 00:41.58 | george_ | ok, then you should have a dir called /usr/share/doc/java-package/ |
| 00:42.11 | Sayers | "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" ? |
| 00:42.22 | george_ | you could check by trying to cd there |
| 00:42.28 | Sayers | apt-cache search java-virtual-machine |
| 00:42.49 | Sayers | And yes I do have that Directory. |
| 00:43.02 | Sayers | So ; So far , no computer caught on fire. |
| 00:43.07 | george_ | ok, look in there, is ther a file called SUPPORTED? |
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| 00:43.36 | Sayers | Still in the terminal but yes. |
| 00:43.38 | george_ | so it failed the smoke test... no smoke! |
| 00:43.48 | george_ | ok, read that file |
| 00:43.48 | Sayers | Should I look it up visualy? |
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| 00:44.41 | george_ | how does one install netbeans on sarge anyway? |
| 00:45.05 | eeyore- | oh, did i mention i love beryl? |
| 00:45.08 | Sayers | Okay I am reading |
| 00:45.25 | george_ | it should be a list of java packages |
| 00:45.30 | Sayers | Yes |
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| 00:45.43 | george_ | now, do you want to RUN java? or BUILD THINGS in java that you write? |
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| 00:45.49 | george_ | or both? |
| 00:46.06 | george_ | or that anyone has written actually |
| 00:46.23 | Sayers | Well to be honest, I didn't like the feel of java coding |
| 00:46.30 | Sayers | So just run Java programs |
| 00:46.49 | george_ | ok, so you want one of the jre ones |
| 00:47.04 | Sayers | j2re? |
| 00:47.13 | george_ | if you want to compile java programs... then you will need a sdk |
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| 00:47.16 | Sayers | or jre |
| 00:47.18 | george_ | sure |
| 00:47.25 | Sayers | Well there is both in the list |
| 00:47.27 | george_ | probably j2 |
| 00:47.39 | Sayers | Makes sence |
| 00:47.42 | george_ | well now you could pick one of those to get |
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| 00:48.05 | eeyore- | i hate the "look" of java code. love the look of c code. tolerates c++ code. tolerates php code. can't grok perl code. |
| 00:48.40 | Gnurdux | i just hate java.... period |
| 00:48.52 | Sayers | this one sounds good 'j2re-1.4.2-fcs-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin' |
| 00:48.52 | george_ | you probably want all the fancy shmancy swing classes and stuff, so: yes, j2* |
| 00:49.18 | Sayers | Well that's just a few words. |
| 00:49.23 | Sayers | How do I do stuff with that? |
| 00:49.36 | george_ | Sayers: do you think that one will run on your box? (look at: "i586") |
| 00:49.46 | Sayers | I have an Intell |
| 00:49.50 | Sayers | Intel* |
| 00:49.51 | george_ | you can always just try it and see |
| 00:49.58 | Sayers | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.12 | george_ | first you find a download site that has it |
| 00:50.20 | george_ | then you get it |
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| 00:50.35 | george_ | then you apply make-jpkg to it |
| 00:50.36 | Sayers | Is there an easy way to do that? |
| 00:50.51 | george_ | I forgot where I found all that stuff... |
| 00:51.04 | Sayers | Looks like google saves the day |
| 00:51.17 | george_ | Sayers: as usual :) |
| 00:51.22 | Sayers | "This directory and those below it contain an estimated 90.7M. Download as [tar]" |
| 00:51.32 | Sayers | Correct? |
| 00:51.45 | george_ | I don't think you want all of that :) just the one file |
| 00:51.52 | Sayers | Called? |
| 00:52.07 | Sayers | There is two install files there |
| 00:52.16 | george_ | the name comes from the one you picked out of the file SUPPORTED |
| 00:52.45 | george_ | what are the two files called? |
| 00:52.51 | Sayers | INSTALL-j2re |
| 00:52.54 | Sayers | But I see that is wrong now |
| 00:53.03 | george_ | is that a dir? |
| 00:53.12 | george_ | or a text file? |
| 00:53.56 | george_ | -probably- you don't want to install it yourself using their instructions... it's not so easy, and there's lotsa steps |
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| 00:54.41 | george_ | not to say that you can't... just observing you might not want to |
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| 00:54.47 | Sayers | Okay I'm downloading the right file |
| 00:54.59 | Sayers | it's a bin. |
| 00:55.04 | george_ | ok, the one you picked? |
| 00:55.17 | Sayers | j2re-1.4.2-fcs-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin |
| 00:55.25 | Sayers | It matched my list |
| 00:55.29 | george_ | yeah, that looks right |
| 00:55.30 | george_ | good |
| 00:55.45 | george_ | so: it's supported by make-jpkg |
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| 00:55.50 | Sayers | I'd hope |
| 00:56.00 | george_ | well, since it's in the list :) |
| 00:56.03 | Sayers | Okay it's downloaded |
| 00:56.32 | Sayers | Now what do I do with this thing sitting here |
| 00:56.38 | george_ | so now, you get make-jpkg to build a debian package |
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| 00:56.52 | george_ | I forgot exactly how to do that :) |
| 00:56.54 | Sayers | And how do I do that |
| 00:56.55 | Sayers | Ohh |
| 00:57.19 | george_ | you can: man make-jpkg |
| 00:57.46 | george_ | this is a program that reads one file (like the one you just downloaded) and spits out another (a debian package) |
| 00:57.52 | Sayers | Okay |
| 00:58.00 | Sayers | so What exactly would I type |
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| 00:58.08 | Sayers | man make-jpg /dir/dir/dir? |
| 00:58.09 | george_ | that's what I forgot :) |
| 00:58.18 | george_ | start with: |
| 00:58.24 | george_ | man make-jpkg |
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| 00:58.57 | Sayers | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.03 | Sayers | That's what the little thing says |
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| 00:59.45 | Sayers | and execute make-jpkg file with the downloaded file. The program asks the user for additional information and creates a Debian binary package |
| 00:59.58 | Sayers | That's a little paste for you. That probably answers everything? |
| 01:00.35 | Sayers | man make-jpkg /home/steven/Downloads/j2re-1.4.2-fcs-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin |
| 01:00.40 | Sayers | That looks about right? |
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| 01:01.01 | george_ | man does: show the manual page |
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| 01:01.53 | Sayers | It didn't make any sence to me |
| 01:02.00 | freeone3000 | How can I switch my python version from 2.4 to 2.5? I've installed 2.5, but it's still using 2.4 for some reason... |
| 01:02.02 | Sayers | but here is the Dir. /home/steven/Downloads/j2re-1.4.2-fcs-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin |
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| 01:02.55 | george_ | Sayers: that will change as you -practice- reading manual pages (YES, it takes practice) |
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| 01:04.00 | george_ | if you try man make-jpkg it "shows the manual page for make-jpkg"... so, how do you think you can -run- make-jpkg? |
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| 01:04.25 | nethen | I'd like to search for packages with tags "use::proxying" and "protocol:http". How can i do that. (i have tried apt-cache search, to no success) |
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| 01:04.32 | eeyore- | night |
| 01:05.26 | Sayers | It won't let me |
| 01:05.32 | Sayers | I got an error |
| 01:05.32 | george_ | why? |
| 01:05.36 | george_ | what? |
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| 01:05.42 | Sayers | "fakeroot make-jpkg /home/steven/Downloads/j2re-1.4.2-fcs-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin |
| 01:05.42 | Sayers | which will allow no damage to be done to your system files and |
| 01:05.42 | Sayers | still permit the Java distribution to successfully extract. |
| 01:05.42 | Sayers | " |
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| 01:06.15 | Sayers | Oops. Well I learned that quick . Were you able to get what I pasted however/ |
| 01:06.25 | george_ | ok, so you have to use that fakeroot thing |
| 01:06.35 | Sayers | That's what it told me |
| 01:06.47 | george_ | yes... so try that :) |
| 01:07.03 | Sayers | it wants me to be non - root! |
| 01:07.05 | Sayers | Ahhaha! |
| 01:07.48 | george_ | so you know... a one line paste is probably ok... more than that is questionable (since you're scrolling 568 people's screens :) |
| 01:07.59 | Sayers | it's working! |
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| 01:08.09 | george_ | is? |
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| 01:08.12 | george_ | cool :) |
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| 01:08.36 | Sayers | That was one long EULA! |
| 01:08.55 | george_ | yep, sun is big on eulas |
| 01:09.01 | grendal_prime | eeyore-, i just needed to log in wiith the -Y switch |
| 01:09.28 | Sayers | What could you do wrong with Java? |
| 01:09.31 | redblue` | no |
| 01:09.36 | Sayers | Build programs of mass destruction? |
| 01:10.02 | george_ | or more likely build programs of mass bush humiliation |
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| 01:10.33 | Sayers | Hehe |
| 01:10.38 | Sayers | Okay it's done |
| 01:10.40 | Sayers | Now what? |
| 01:11.08 | george_ | ok, look for the debian package it made (debian package file names end in what?) |
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| 01:11.24 | Sayers | The Debian package has been created in the current directory. You can nstall the package as root (e.g. dpkg -i blackdown-j2re1.4_1.4.2_i386.deb). |
| 01:11.44 | Sayers | what is the current Directory |
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| 01:11.54 | george_ | the one you're in! :) |
| 01:12.13 | Sayers | I wasn't in one |
| 01:12.18 | nethen | Found. For the logs: to search for packages with tags "use::proxying" and "protocol:http" --> aptitude search "(~Guse::proxying ~Gprotocol::http)" |
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| 01:12.31 | george_ | (or, technically, the current directory for a process is the one the process is CDed to) |
| 01:12.34 | Sayers | Oop I was |
| 01:12.36 | Sayers | I see it |
| 01:12.47 | george_ | you do? what's it called? |
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| 01:14.16 | Sayers | Unpacking |
| 01:14.34 | Sayers | it right now, sorry 'bout my lack of replying . |
| 01:14.49 | Sayers | sounds like it's done already/ |
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| 01:15.19 | Sayers | Yep it is |
| 01:15.25 | george_ | Sayers: ok, what was the last thing you did? |
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| 01:15.40 | Sayers | dpkg -i , it |
| 01:15.45 | george_ | ok :) |
| 01:15.46 | Sayers | What it told me to do |
| 01:15.54 | atp | hey, does anyone know of a command line utility that can give me information about a dvd in the drive? specifically, what region it is? |
| 01:15.54 | george_ | good |
| 01:15.56 | Sayers | so it should work? |
| 01:16.00 | george_ | yes |
| 01:16.15 | george_ | one of the commands you now should have is java |
| 01:16.36 | Sayers | yep I can type java in the termina |
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| 01:16.39 | Sayers | terminal* |
| 01:16.40 | george_ | type it int your console, hit enter, and see if it runs it |
| 01:16.51 | george_ | so it does |
| 01:16.58 | george_ | welp... there ya go :) |
| 01:17.05 | Sayers | Now how do I run a java file? |
| 01:17.26 | george_ | given a java file "something.class" |
| 01:17.40 | george_ | you type: java something |
| 01:18.02 | Sayers | http://wurmonline.com/client/wurmclient.jnlp that file |
| 01:18.02 | george_ | no idea for that |
| 01:18.10 | Sayers | It's a download |
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| 01:19.09 | Sayers | How do I run a java file of any sort |
| 01:19.18 | Sayers | In Firefox it doesn't give me the openwith - java option |
| 01:20.42 | nethenson | atp: maybe lsdvd |
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| 01:21.04 | Sayers | Maybe a good ole reboot? |
| 01:22.14 | george_ | try closing all your netscapes and start again--- reboot should almost never be needed (exception: installiing and booting a new linux kernel) |
| 01:22.57 | jebs | recommending reboots?! |
| 01:23.17 | atp | nethenson: thanks :) |
| 01:24.42 | Stevie | I recommend a reboot at least once every six years |
| 01:25.08 | Stevie | If only to fsck the filesystem. |
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| 01:25.55 | wireddd | Sayers, try installing sun-java5-plugin |
| 01:26.05 | wireddd | oh hes gone |
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| 01:27.02 | farous | !etch |
| 01:27.02 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 01:27.09 | obseleron | hmm why not just install it using the binary installer from sun? |
| 01:27.19 | obseleron | just a question |
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| 01:29.07 | Eroick | How can I get the Linksys WPC54G working on Knoppix |
| 01:29.09 | Eroick | whoops |
| 01:29.12 | Eroick | on debian |
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| 01:29.53 | tehbrandon | !google fried chicken |
| 01:29.55 | tolecnal | Results for fried chicken on Google: |
| 01:29.55 | tolecnal | -- |
| 01:30.09 | tehbrandon | !google i love u |
| 01:30.10 | tolecnal | Results for i love u on Google: |
| 01:30.10 | tolecnal | -- |
| 01:30.14 | tehbrandon | !google word |
| 01:30.15 | tolecnal | Results for word on Google: |
| 01:30.15 | tolecnal | -- |
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| 01:31.06 | azeem | !hi |
| 01:31.06 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
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| 01:43.27 | secher | Just need a quick recommendation for a photograph manager. Something simple, I just need to go through about 400 photos for my parents, and rename good ones or delete others. Suggestions? |
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| 01:45.32 | wireddd | whats support for intelligent battery backups like in debian? |
| 01:46.16 | secher | wiredd: What? |
| 01:46.55 | CompWizrd | wireddd: nut works with quite a few ups's |
| 01:47.00 | CompWizrd | and fairly easy to setup |
| 01:47.08 | CompWizrd | serial, usb, network, etc |
| 01:47.43 | wireddd | i'll have to look into it |
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| 01:48.00 | wireddd | I am gonna get one, I just want to make sure it will work ahead of time |
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| 01:49.23 | CompWizrd | wireddd: apc's line is well supported, as are others |
| 01:49.40 | wireddd | ok i'll get an apc then |
| 01:49.48 | wireddd | thats what I was going to get anyway |
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| 01:58.44 | Dewi | Hello all |
| 01:58.54 | Dewi | Freenode ceased to be for a while there.... hmm |
| 01:59.17 | Dewi | Anyway, I have a machine in a remote datacentre, and I would really love to find out what kind of motherboard is in it. |
| 01:59.27 | Dewi | Does /proc contain, say, a BIOS string or something? |
| 01:59.38 | Hirvinen | Dewi: lshw |
| 02:01.11 | Dewi | Hirvinen: promising. Thank you. |
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| 02:02.23 | azureal | today is an awesome day |
| 02:02.30 | azureal | and i dont even use debian =P |
| 02:02.59 | azureal | today is such a good day... because it marks the day of sound returning... |
| 02:03.11 | CompWizrd | Dewi: or you can dump the bios into a file and look through that |
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| 02:04.01 | Dewi | azureal: sound? |
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| 02:04.58 | Sayers | I have 2 questions; Are there any 3d MMORPGS that run on linux, and how about Firewalls for linux? |
| 02:05.28 | azureal | Dewi, omg, you have no idea.. i was going crazy when my sound stopped working (ubuntu) |
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| 02:06.39 | gouki | Do you want to turn a box into a firewall, or install a firewall on your current installation? | Sayers |
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| 02:07.17 | Sayers | I'm using linux just for fun, so Just a personal thing |
| 02:08.01 | azureal | you dont really need firewalls =P |
| 02:08.24 | azureal | but you'll probably end up hitting your router's firewall |
| 02:08.36 | gouki | Can't help you. I don't use workstation-based firewalls. If you're interested in building a firewall, I recommend Smoothwall (all in one cd) |
| 02:08.56 | Sayers | I don't think I need one. |
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| 02:09.19 | azureal | Sayers, if there is not a linux install, look into cedega and wine for gaming |
| 02:09.21 | Sayers | I do however have a wireless connection modem , for my mom to pick up |
| 02:09.28 | Sayers | So uhh, It might be a smart idea. |
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| 02:09.33 | gouki | If you just want to play around with one, LiveCDs are your best bet | Sayers |
| 02:09.38 | cobelloy | I really need some help with my sources.list - how do I add the source for this? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/rox-filer |
| 02:10.32 | gouki | If you have unstable repositories on your sources.list, you will be able to apt-get that package (rox-filer) | cobelloy |
| 02:10.52 | cobelloy | but how do I get unstable sources? |
| 02:11.08 | cobelloy | what do I type in the sources.list for that |
| 02:11.23 | cobelloy | i am going mad trying to work it out |
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| 02:11.36 | gouki | nano /etc/apt/sources.list: |
| 02:11.54 | gouki | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
| 02:12.01 | cobelloy | Ive got the file open in a text editor alrteady |
| 02:12.10 | gouki | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
| 02:12.10 | cobelloy | thats what I needed, there |
| 02:12.20 | dvs | cobelloy: if you do that, you can't downgrade again. |
| 02:12.27 | cobelloy | ahh - i didnt put /debian at the end |
| 02:12.47 | Sayers | WINE = Wine is not an Emulator , correct. Then how does it do it? |
| 02:12.47 | cobelloy | thats OK, if I break the system I am just going to give up anyway |
| 02:13.11 | gouki | Heheh! Sounds like you're having fun cobelloy |
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| 02:14.09 | cobelloy | Im having so much fun I have hardly any hair left |
| 02:14.43 | dvs | That's fun? |
| 02:14.58 | gouki | cobelloy | New to Debian? |
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| 02:15.07 | Sayers | So if I get Wine...... I never need windows? |
| 02:15.13 | dvs | Heh |
| 02:15.19 | Sayers | If so I'm glad I partianed 45 gigs. |
| 02:15.28 | cobelloy | OK, so in my sources.list file, if I have unstable in one line should any other line with stable, be changed to unstable? |
| 02:15.42 | cobelloy | Sayers: um, no |
| 02:15.57 | gouki | Delete any instance of STABLE, and add the two lines I gave you | cobelloy |
| 02:15.59 | cobelloy | there are many windows progs tyhat dont work in wine |
| 02:16.01 | dvs | cobelloy: So, you'll only have unstable after you upgrade |
| 02:16.12 | cobelloy | ok |
| 02:16.43 | cobelloy | uuuuggghhhhrhr "could not reslove ftp.debian.org |
| 02:16.45 | Sayers | Like? |
| 02:16.49 | gouki | Pay attention to what dvs said ... You'll have unstable after the upgrade |
| 02:16.54 | wolsni | Sayers: check appdb.winehq.org / test your programs yourself before you get rid of windows |
| 02:17.06 | Sayers | Nah i wouldn't get rid of windows |
| 02:17.14 | Sayers | I have it on my other drive and it's happy :) |
| 02:17.34 | Sayers | If I'm very agrivated at Linux I just switch to it since it's so much user friendly. |
| 02:17.47 | cobelloy | gouki, I dont care, if I cant get a more recent version of xfce and rox then I dont want debian on this machine |
| 02:17.59 | Dewi | azureal: bah. you don't need sound hardware |
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| 02:18.04 | gouki | You CAN get the most recent version | cobelloy |
| 02:18.12 | Dewi | azureal: just cat /dev/audio or whatever it is and read it |
| 02:18.12 | cobelloy | how ??? |
| 02:18.14 | gouki | Sayers | Try Ubuntu ;) |
| 02:18.16 | azureal | Dewi, that was so random |
| 02:18.19 | cobelloy | thats all Im trying to do |
| 02:18.34 | Sayers | ubuntu? |
| 02:18.43 | gouki | Delete everything on your sources.list and JUST add the two lines I gave you | cobelloy |
| 02:18.45 | azureal | Dewi, /dev/dsp ? |
| 02:18.50 | cobelloy | ubuntu is like an idiot proof debian |
| 02:18.54 | cobelloy | I love it |
| 02:18.58 | Sayers | Ohh I see, Give the newb a book. |
| 02:19.38 | Sayers | Wait a minute? |
| 02:19.40 | Sayers | What is that? |
| 02:19.59 | Dewi | azureal: that's the one |
| 02:20.02 | gouki | Talking of books, you could take a look at Debian GNU/Linux Bible and The Debian System | Sayers |
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| 02:20.11 | Dewi | azureal: my hardcore hax0r jokes would be better if I knew things like that |
| 02:20.15 | cobelloy | gouki - I did, and it still says "could not resolve ftp.debian.org" |
| 02:20.26 | azureal | Dewi, in my horrible audio situation earlier, i did not have a /dev/dsp lol |
| 02:20.33 | Sayers | Gouki: Why in the world would I want Unbutu |
| 02:20.36 | gouki | Can you access web sites using the domain name, cobelloy? |
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| 02:20.55 | azureal | Dewi, oh, you were joking... haha.. i was too damn scared + nervous earlier, so it lessened the funny |
| 02:21.01 | gouki | Sayers - You said Windows was more user friendly than Debian. THATS why I recommend Ubuntu |
| 02:21.07 | azureal | "funny" |
| 02:21.18 | Sayers | Ubuntu is even more friendly? |
| 02:21.22 | azureal | lol i wonder what you'll say about gentoo |
| 02:21.29 | cobelloy | I can access the link I posted |
| 02:21.32 | Sayers | No ; now that Debian works well, It's so so so much better. |
| 02:21.35 | cobelloy | is that what you mean? |
| 02:21.50 | azureal | i dont remember hearing about the Debian penguin... |
| 02:21.53 | BadboY | hi All |
| 02:22.10 | BadboY | i want ask u all |
| 02:22.13 | gouki | Cobelloy | When you go to www.google.com, does it work? (Point: See if DNS is working) |
| 02:22.14 | azureal | lol badboy, you remind me of an unreal tournament player... |
| 02:22.33 | azureal | (by the same name) =P |
| 02:23.16 | cobelloy | yes, web is working on that computer |
| 02:23.16 | cobelloy | other sources are also working |
| 02:23.37 | gouki | Other sources? | cobelloy? |
| 02:23.52 | cobelloy | like backports |
| 02:23.57 | cobelloy | and vlc repo |
| 02:24.45 | gouki | You get the error when you try to update? (apt-get update) | cobelloy |
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| 02:25.15 | cobelloy | yes, thats right - just for the one you gave me, wether it is only source or one of several in list |
| 02:25.24 | d0uglas | how can i set firefox to close tabs when i middle wheel click them as in xp? |
| 02:26.23 | gouki | Then I don't know. Maybe it's down or something | cobelloy |
| 02:26.32 | gouki | I'm off to bed! Cya'll! |
| 02:26.33 | cobelloy | is there a mirror? |
| 02:26.45 | dvs | gouki: Zzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 02:26.48 | cobelloy | what if I change the .us part to some other country code |
| 02:26.53 | gouki | Change the US to something else |
| 02:27.07 | cobelloy | ok, thanks goodnight |
| 02:27.16 | RainbowW | most recent apache update ate my config, and i've just about got it fixed except: http://www.example.com should trigger index.php and does not, i get a dir listing instead, but http://www.example.com/index.php works. what did i forget? |
| 02:27.56 | asg | RainbowW: try #apache |
| 02:28.50 | RainbowW | since it's running on etch they say come here. typical. mailing lists are the same way. "show us your httpd.conf" and the user does, and then they get no response. |
| 02:28.54 | cobelloy | that still doesnt work |
| 02:28.58 | secher | Rainboww: one sec. |
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| 02:29.25 | d0uglas | so let's say i'm on the console. I fire up screen, then run bitchx. Then I start x. How can i open up an xterm and suck in the console irc session? |
| 02:29.26 | secher | Rainboww: lemme check my apache2.conf, I had the same issue. |
| 02:29.42 | d0uglas | isn't this a job for ttysnoop and not screen? |
| 02:29.46 | asg | RainbowW: then make sure the DirectoryIndex entry contains index.php |
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| 02:29.52 | dvs | RainbowW: I'm at the exact same point as you |
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| 02:30.06 | dvs | asg: There is no DirectoryIndex entry in apache2.conf |
| 02:30.16 | asg | dvs: then add one |
| 02:30.42 | asg | d0uglas: no, just use screen -x in X and you'll be fine |
| 02:30.42 | cobelloy | could someone maybe just give me a copy of their sources.list - please? |
| 02:31.02 | asg | cobelloy: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples |
| 02:31.09 | secher | Rainboww: in your apache.conf make sure you ahve the line 'DirectoryIndex' and in that line 'index.php' then restart your server. |
| 02:31.13 | cobelloy | ok |
| 02:31.25 | d0uglas | asg: ok cool, i'll try that.. btw what -flag do i want to bypass the welcome to screen yada yada press enter thing? |
| 02:31.26 | secher | dvs: there is, actually. |
| 02:31.40 | dvs | secher: not in mine |
| 02:32.15 | secher | dvs: dunno, but I'm runnign apache2, and it's right there. |
| 02:32.17 | asg | d0uglas: screen -x will attach to an already running screen. To turn the welcome stuff off, set 'startup_message off' in your ~/.screenrc |
| 02:32.45 | d0uglas | nice.. thanks man |
| 02:32.49 | dvs | pn apache2 <none> (no description available) |
| 02:32.53 | dvs | oops! |
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| 02:34.05 | RainbowW | seems awfully stupid for that to not be in the default config but hey what do i know, i just come here to get insulted. |
| 02:34.27 | sfire||mouse | RainbowW: ltns |
| 02:34.37 | asg | RainbowW: you could always file a bug |
| 02:34.41 | dvs | RainbowW: I don't understand what it isn't there anymore either. |
| 02:34.58 | RainbowW | asg: on the six occasions when i've filed bugs, they've been closed as wontfix or yourstupid. |
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| 02:35.20 | Phated | Says something :) |
| 02:35.26 | Phated | Mine was closed as fixed :) |
| 02:35.29 | sfire||mouse | RainbowW: file with Ubuntu? |
| 02:35.30 | RainbowW | hi sfire||mouse. |
| 02:35.32 | asg | RainbowW: that doesn't mean that the 7th one won't be. Of course, checking /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/README.Debian{.gz} might provide the clue as to why. |
| 02:35.46 | george | RainbowW: was there any more information than that? |
| 02:35.58 | asg | sfire||mouse: he isn't running Ubuntu, why would he file a bug against a package there? |
| 02:36.17 | RainbowW | asg: <achem> /me jiggles her 38Ds. |
| 02:36.28 | sfire||mouse | asg: if its there, and its ease of use, they might care |
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| 02:36.38 | sfire||mouse | of course I have no idea of the bug |
| 02:36.38 | george | I'm looking to install a later java sdk on a sarge box; is there a later java-package that supports them? |
| 02:36.47 | RainbowW | in any event i'm going to go back to my pornography. hafta earn a living somehow. |
| 02:37.03 | george | wndrfl. |
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| 02:38.02 | george | Gumby: your brain is on #perl... |
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| 02:38.10 | cobelloy | asg: that seems to be working, I will see whats in the apt-cache thing this time |
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| 02:38.42 | asg | george: hack the java-package script or see if someone backported the jdk packages from sid |
| 02:39.01 | george | so java-package was dropped? |
| 02:39.31 | asg | george: no. It's still available |
| 02:39.58 | Gumby | george: my brain? |
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| 02:48.01 | roe___ | doing an ls -l shows a directory with a link count of 2... is there anyway to find out where the other link is? |
| 02:48.13 | irfaN | I have install pure-ftpd on debian stable. But /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd restart command, and nothing. I look /var/log/syslog and messages. This files in only login logout log. What is my problem ? |
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| 02:48.44 | irfaN | roe___, try ls -la |
| 02:48.49 | vulture | irfaN: might need to check /etc/default/pure-ftpd - perhaps it's not starting by default |
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| 02:49.14 | roe___ | yes ls -la shows me a linkcount of 2 |
| 02:50.00 | roe___ | not symlinks... hard links |
| 02:50.56 | irfaN | vulture, I check /etc/default, It is not hear. In /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common. What I do ? |
| 02:51.02 | dendrite | roe___: Probably . and ../<dirname> |
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| 02:54.40 | roe___ | dendrite: other dirs don't have a link count of 2 |
| 02:54.50 | dendrite | roe___: More, if they contain dirs. |
| 02:55.11 | vulture | irfaN: what's in that file at the moment? |
| 02:55.12 | dendrite | roe___: ... Since each dir has .. |
| 02:55.30 | roe___ | dendrite: you are correct sir |
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| 02:57.17 | g333k | Do you know where can I get gnormalize? a debian pkg |
| 02:57.23 | irfaN | vulture, I have reboot debian, not problem. I use for restart pureftpd /etc/init.d/pure-ftpyd restart command, but nothing. Not restart.. |
| 02:57.49 | vulture | irfaN: what's in /etc/default? what does the README for pure-ftpd say? |
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| 02:58.43 | irfaN | In /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common |
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| 03:00.05 | irfaN | I read pure-ftpd README. Not solve my problem. |
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| 03:04.55 | secher | Holy crap. F-Spot wants to install half of the Gnome system on my box. Can anyone suggest something less 'weighty'? |
| 03:06.45 | Ronin | secher: less weighty wm? fluxbox, xfce |
| 03:08.01 | secher | Ronin: no, as in a photo manager that's less weighty. I run Enlightnement 17 only. No Gnome, no KDE, just E. I"m trying to not pollute my system with too much err... stuff. |
| 03:08.10 | dob1 | what is the difference to use .xinitrc and .xsession to start an x session? |
| 03:08.19 | odla | secher: there is a gtk program...er i can't remember what it's called...ask in #elive what they use for default photo management |
| 03:08.56 | odla | gtkcam maybe...i don't think that's it though |
| 03:09.15 | asg | dob1: .xsession is used by both startx and the *dms, .xinitrc is only used by startx |
| 03:09.44 | dob1 | asg: ok thanks |
| 03:09.54 | asg | dob1: you're welcome |
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| 03:11.27 | Ronin | secher: ahh, cant help you then |
| 03:12.19 | irfaN | Whoever pure-ftpd user ? I think hear aren't debian on pure-ftpd use. |
| 03:12.28 | Ronin | irfaN: pardon? |
| 03:12.29 | irfaN | sory.. |
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| 03:14.17 | Ronin | irfaN: if you have a question its best to ask it here in channel and in english |
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| 03:15.04 | dondelelcaro | !+info pure-ftpd |
| 03:15.05 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 03:15.16 | Ronin | dondelelcaro: got that in turkish? |
| 03:15.22 | dpkg | pure-ftpd: (Pure-FTPd FTP server), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0.21-5 (sid), Packaged size: 144 kB, Installed size: 396 kB |
| 03:15.28 | irfaN | OK, my problem pure-ftpd. I use this command : /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd restart, but nothing ? |
| 03:15.35 | Ronin | im guessing it was turkish at least |
| 03:16.49 | Ronin | irfaN: nothing what? no errors? message? any thing at all? |
| 03:17.09 | irfaN | yes, no errors, no messages, no restart... nothing :| |
| 03:17.21 | irfaN | and no log.. |
| 03:17.57 | irfaN | but I reboot my debian OS, it is working.. and /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd restart , nothing.. |
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| 03:19.01 | maher | irfaN: if its not running try start |
| 03:19.49 | irfaN | maher, /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start, and again nothing.. |
| 03:20.29 | dvs | irfaN: invoke-rc.d pure-ftpd start |
| 03:21.04 | maher | irfaN: look in the logs? |
| 03:21.06 | irfaN | dvs, canavar:/# invoke-rc.d pure-ftpd start |
| 03:21.06 | irfaN | canavar:/# |
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| 03:21.21 | maher | irfaN: it won't say anything if it worked |
| 03:21.28 | maher | irfaN: it will just log stuff |
| 03:21.28 | irfaN | maher, no log /var/log/messages and /var/log/.... |
| 03:21.38 | Ronin | irfaN: and you set it to long in the conf? |
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| 03:22.16 | maher | irfaN: read the startup script and see what it is doing - try running it manually line by line or strace it or something |
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| 03:25.23 | irfaN | Ronin my conf file not long, very short. |
| 03:25.35 | FernandoMM | Hello, i need to record my guitar (plugged on my sound card). Which program can i use for this? |
| 03:25.49 | irfaN | maher, I read startup script, Im not understand. This script not gnu still :| |
| 03:25.57 | wolsni | FernandoMM: audacity |
| 03:26.25 | FernandoMM | wolsni: thanks, apt-getting it :) |
| 03:26.36 | maher | FernandoMM: vsound will dump the sound device output to file... |
| 03:27.38 | maher | irfaN: sorry - I don't use proftp |
| 03:27.57 | maher | irfaN: sorry - I don't use or pure-ftpd for that matter... |
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| 03:28.19 | williamh | I am trying to setup SNMP to be accessable from an external machine. nmap shows the port closed any pointers? |
| 03:28.33 | irfaN | maher, OK. thanks.. :( |
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| 03:29.54 | FernandoMM | wolsni: maher i can't hear my guitar when it is plugged (yes, is plugged right). How can i know if the input isn't muted? |
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| 03:30.00 | dob1 | williamh: maybe where it binds, it is on 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 03:30.37 | wolsni | FernandoMM: you can play with the mute for different channels in kmix |
| 03:30.50 | abrotman | FernandoMM: if you have it in linein .. make sure the level isn't muted |
| 03:31.03 | williamh | where would I find that dob1 |
| 03:31.24 | dob1 | try netstat -plunt |
| 03:31.49 | amphi | FernandoMM: or alsamixer |
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| 03:32.41 | williamh | udp 0 0 127.0.0.1:161 0.0.0.0:* 15654/snmpd |
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| 03:35.20 | williamh | dob1 looks like localhost. is this set as part of snmpd.conf? |
| 03:35.38 | irfaN | Ronin, I prove ssh and root password. Are you look my pure-ftpd problem ? May be ? |
| 03:35.53 | FernandoMM | amphi: i can't find it on alsamixer, could you tell me which name should i search for? |
| 03:35.54 | dob1 | williamh: yes, but i don't know where you have to set it, never configured it |
| 03:36.26 | williamh | dob1 thanks for that I will go hunting |
| 03:36.48 | dob1 | anyway it's udp not tcp |
| 03:36.52 | abrotman | !search |
| 03:36.52 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 03:54.20 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 03:54.20 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:55.56 | calc | fetchmail is starting to remind me of microsoft software |
| 03:56.26 | abrotman | it erases your mail ? |
| 03:56.33 | calc | it gives an error about the server cert being bad... i don't care about it... and then proceeds to eat all cpu for about 5 minutes before continuing to pop mail |
| 03:56.55 | calc | once it starts to pop mail its cpu usage goes to about 0.5% |
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| 03:58.03 | calc | and i can't find a way to make it stop checking the cert |
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| 03:58.12 | dimitri1 | someone told me to type :(){ :|:& };: into my shell prompt, what does it do i think it's malicious.. |
| 03:58.56 | zinx | dimitril: it's a forkbomb |
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| 03:59.23 | calc | dimitri1: if you have limits set correctly it probably won't kill your box... otherwise have fun ;) |
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| 04:00.23 | iter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb |
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| 04:02.44 | irfaN | How more secure ? xinetd or inetd ? |
| 04:03.19 | williamh | my snmp issue was I had not removed 127.0.0.1 from the /etc/default/snmp silly me!!!!! |
| 04:03.27 | williamh | thanks for you input dob1 |
| 04:04.13 | calc | i think this issue is due to ssl, and it appears you can't f*cking disable it via command line or rc file :-\ |
| 04:04.16 | iter | is there a management tool for multiple debian machines joining an AD network via samba |
| 04:04.18 | abrotman | dimitri1: don't be an ass |
| 04:04.20 | calc | it used to work fine a few months ago |
| 04:04.23 | dimitri1 | zinx |
| 04:04.30 | dimitri1 | what does a forkbomb mean, i.e: what does it actually do |
| 04:04.32 | iter | pdc is a win32 machine |
| 04:04.42 | dimitri1 | i tried to google it but obviously searching for that string resolved nothing |
| 04:04.43 | iter | dimitri1: http://www.euglug.org/pipermail/euglug/2005-August/004338.html |
| 04:04.46 | dimitri1 | thanks |
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| 04:05.30 | abrotman | fetches the fetchmail mailing list ? :) |
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| 04:07.52 | calc | hmm there is newer version than i have :) |
| 04:08.25 | zinx | dimitril: you'd have better luck if you searched for 'forkbomb' or 'fork bomb' |
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| 04:08.51 | zinx | dimitril: or followed the link to the Wikipedia article someone pasted on it |
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| 04:19.29 | jindal | hullo guys, my doom3 is giving opengl library intialization errors http://jindal.pastebin.ca/235316 ..... how do i rectify it.. is the problem wid doom3 or opengl aint configured correctly? am using sid |
| 04:21.36 | jindal | btwn doom3 is running back :) |
| 04:21.58 | jindal | the channel seems somewhat magical 8-) |
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| 04:27.03 | reebd | Is there something comparable to MS OneNote (note organizer?) |
| 04:27.12 | reebd | ...for Linux :-) |
| 04:27.23 | Guerin | reebd: email? |
| 04:27.25 | Guerin | jesus |
| 04:27.30 | Guerin | cron? |
| 04:27.38 | Guerin | why does there have to be a specific tool? |
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| 04:28.10 | reebd | Guerin: because it does more than cron or email. ghee. |
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| 04:28.43 | Guerin | reebd: well, it's hardly plausible to suggest a replacement until we know what it actually does |
| 04:28.55 | reebd | Guerin: if you are interested, use google. |
| 04:29.03 | grendal_prime | ok..my bluetooth dongle is able to see my bluetooth gps unit |
| 04:29.08 | Guerin | reebd: why should I? WHy wouldn't YOU use google? |
| 04:29.14 | grendal_prime | can someon help me connect to the damn thing? |
| 04:29.23 | grendal_prime | im totally confused about this stuff |
| 04:29.27 | reebd | Guerin: because I know what it does. |
| 04:29.51 | reebd | Guerin: you are the one asking questions and giving answers without truly understand what the question was! |
| 04:30.06 | Guerin | reebd: the point being nobody can help you if you don't EXPLAIN what you want your program to do. |
| 04:30.34 | Guerin | reebd: you said 'not organiser'. If I wanted something to remind me of stuff I needed to do, I'd use cron and email. That's what a note organiser is to me. |
| 04:30.45 | Guerin | If you want something other than that, you might want to explain it. |
| 04:30.51 | reebd | ic. |
| 04:32.31 | Kobaz | is there a timeout setting for cifs/smbfs mounts so that when you access a dead mount (ie: host is down) it won't block for too long |
| 04:33.08 | Guerin | Kobaz: #samba |
| 04:33.26 | Kobaz | yeah hmm... true |
| 04:33.53 | reebd | anyone knows a good hierarchical text notes manager for Linux? |
| 04:34.53 | reebd | Guerin: is that better? |
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| 04:35.39 | Guerin | i suppose |
| 04:35.45 | reebd | :) |
| 04:36.06 | chatoa | hi, new installation. 'apt-get install' requires verification of packages. what is needed? |
| 04:36.29 | Guerin | chatoa: /msg dpkg apt key |
| 04:36.47 | chatoa | k |
| 04:37.57 | chatoa | Guerin: sure that is right? no info from dpkg. only "apt key". |
| 04:38.21 | Guerin | hm |
| 04:38.34 | Guerin | !apt-secure |
| 04:38.35 | dpkg | it has been said that apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
| 04:38.38 | Guerin | there it is |
| 04:38.49 | Guerin | ask dpkg about those things ^ |
| 04:39.05 | chatoa | k |
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| 04:40.47 | jujujuju | sudo apt-get remove linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 04:41.20 | hoarycripple | how can I change the font in a text terminal? (not X) |
| 04:41.46 | Kobaz | horaycripple: usualle -fn |
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| 04:42.51 | hoarycripple | Kobaz, i mean at a text login, not opening a terminal in X |
| 04:43.12 | Kobaz | oh |
| 04:43.15 | Kobaz | get umm |
| 04:43.21 | Kobaz | setfont |
| 04:43.34 | butter1 | hi.. i just installed the daily image of etch and my wireless internet isn't working |
| 04:43.51 | Kobaz | hoarycripple: you can get it from old slackware distributions |
| 04:44.23 | butter1 | ioctl[SIOCSIWMODE]: Operation not supported is the message i get |
| 04:44.34 | hoarycripple | Kobaz, thanks alot! |
| 04:44.40 | chatoa | Guerin: dpkg mentioned about installing "apt 0.6.43.1". that is not a package. i have tried '-' and '_' after the "apt", no help. |
| 04:44.41 | g333k | how many files is it recommendable to have in one directory as maximum? |
| 04:44.49 | g333k | using ext3 fs |
| 04:45.00 | Kobaz | hoarycripple: although it looks like the debian package kbd has it too, hmm |
| 04:45.12 | butter1 | Could not configure driver to use managed mode |
| 04:46.00 | Guerin | chatoa: try = |
| 04:46.15 | Kobaz | hoarycripple: although you still may need to find the slackware packages or something similar for the actual fonts themselves |
| 04:46.41 | Guerin | chatoa: the key is actually available on debian.org |
| 04:46.59 | Guerin | chatoa: you shouldn't need to install a new apt, you just need the key. Did you ask dpkg about '2006 key'? |
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| 04:48.34 | chatoa | Guerin: k, i will use the command approach. |
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| 04:49.39 | g333k | how many files as maximun is good to have in one directory? using ext3 fs |
| 04:49.53 | dondelelcaro | g333k: doesn't matter. |
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| 04:50.22 | g333k | dondelelcaro, but the more files yo have the more slow is the access right? |
| 04:50.34 | dondelelcaro | g333k: no, not in ext3. |
| 04:50.56 | g333k | dondelelcaro, I use krusader, so the problem is krusader not the fs ? |
| 04:52.02 | Guerin | if it's thumbnailing or something, yeah |
| 04:52.12 | dondelelcaro | g333k: right |
| 04:52.30 | dondelelcaro | g333k: open up a shell, and time ls; for an example. |
| 04:52.43 | dondelelcaro | g333k: it should scale linarly with the number of files. |
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| 04:54.30 | spo0nman | what would be a faster way of clearing RAM/cache than cat'ing a file that is few times the size of RAM? |
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| 04:55.02 | flips | latest dpkg/status had ^a instead of a in the status info for package propsel |
| 04:55.07 | Guerin | spo0nman: why would you? |
| 04:55.23 | flips | that is, there is a word spelled inst^alled |
| 04:55.34 | spo0nman | Guerin: I want to benchmark some stuff without having the disk stuff cached in ram. |
| 04:55.42 | flips | bug report done |
| 04:55.49 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: and even that isn't guaranteed to clear the cache, as the kernel is quite likely to decide that caching that file is stupid. |
| 04:55.49 | grendal_prime | bluetooth? |
| 04:55.52 | grendal_prime | anyone? |
| 04:56.04 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: benchmarks without cache enabled are useless... |
| 04:56.05 | Guerin | spo0nman: i don't know of a way to reliably clear cache |
| 04:56.07 | chatoa | i have installed aot version 0.6.45 and yet when i try to install packages it warns me about verification. ?? |
| 04:56.08 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 04:56.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:56.15 | chatoa | i mean apt not aot |
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| 04:56.28 | Guerin | benchmarks under other-than-normal operating conditions are usually overrated |
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| 04:56.42 | grendal_prime | Guerin, ok..i have a bluetooth dongle, and im able to scan and find my bluetooth gps, but thats about it.. |
| 04:56.54 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro: well! let's not use the word benchmark ... let's use some optimizations. |
| 04:57.02 | Guerin | grendal_prime: don't tell me, just ask dpkg about piav |
| 04:57.14 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 04:57.22 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: so if you want to check optimizations, you should test them in exactly the environment they'll be used. |
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| 04:58.14 | odla | kontact |
| 04:58.24 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro: yeah! but i want to see the real times in seperate mysql queries ... the OS is cachin so I don't get to know if the second one is actually faster than the other. |
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| 05:00.04 | Guerin | spo0nman: run them out of order |
| 05:00.32 | chatoa | ok, got it. forgot to put in the security repo in sources.list. |
| 05:00.35 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro: forget it. |
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| 05:06.55 | spo0nman | Guerin: if mysql reads its data from the data files on disk with my first query. It will probably retrieve the data from the OS file cache the next time. thats why I want to get rid of the cache. |
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| 05:09.01 | codemarauder | getting this error while running any command - error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory |
| 05:09.37 | codemarauder | server was not allowing ssh connections last night but now at least i am able to login. |
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| 05:13.41 | XrMb2 | XrMb2 WARNS EVERYONE !!!!!! --- ..who is using debian. if want to update from 2.0 to 2.2 - be aware, apt does not ask you if you want to overwrite or keep your current configuratio-file, you'll lose it if you don't make a backup! |
| 05:13.54 | XrMb2 | damn, forgot /me :> |
| 05:13.58 | Guerin | 2.0 to 2.2 was about 2001 |
| 05:14.06 | XrMb2 | 2.2.3, sry |
| 05:14.09 | Guerin | so I don't think it's relevant |
| 05:14.19 | XrMb2 | however - the actual etch-version |
| 05:14.22 | danieldg | do you mean apache2? |
| 05:14.25 | XrMb2 | yes |
| 05:14.36 | Guerin | XrMb2: because that was clear. |
| 05:14.37 | danieldg | might want to mention that :) |
| 05:14.37 | XrMb2 | should have read that message before shouting it.. |
| 05:15.10 | Guerin | XrMb2: file a bug, debconf should ask about config file updates |
| 05:15.12 | danieldg | it asked me about my conf file... |
| 05:15.29 | danieldg | (aptitude, in sid, been using 2.2 for a while) |
| 05:15.43 | XrMb2 | i'm talking about etch |
| 05:16.06 | wols | but you're a grumpy old fart so that's normal Guerin |
| 05:16.06 | danieldg | it should be the same package |
| 05:16.23 | Guerin | nothing to do with my temperament |
| 05:16.28 | Guerin | just that I'm lazy |
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| 05:16.38 | wols | lazy grumpy old fart then |
| 05:16.41 | Guerin | i suppose 2 is going to be default in etch? |
| 05:16.54 | danieldg | it's still split for apache vs apache2 |
| 05:17.10 | Guerin | but both will be included? |
| 05:17.24 | danieldg | that'd be my guess |
| 05:18.34 | Guerin | that's civilised. |
| 05:18.38 | Guerin | !statistics |
| 05:18.38 | dpkg | i heard statistics is a way of measuring something with numbers. |
| 05:18.57 | Guerin | !statistics is also http://feayn.org/~lewis/statistics.jpg |
| 05:18.57 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 05:21.34 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:29.21 | czedlitz | anyone have a Toshiba M115 laptop by chance? |
| 05:29.30 | black_13 | how do un-install a package? |
| 05:29.46 | psychonate | apt-get remove <package> |
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| 05:30.32 | black_13 | easy enough |
| 05:30.41 | psychonate | it is APT after all |
| 05:31.07 | Guerin | !anyone use a Toshiba M115 laptop by chance? |
| 05:31.07 | dpkg | No, no one uses a Toshiba M115 laptop by chance, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:31.28 | Guerin | czedlitz: most people use them by design, not chance. |
| 05:31.33 | black_13 | funny |
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| 05:32.23 | Alzi2 | Hi. I really want the newest of the newest, cuz I don't have HAL and other stuff Linux normally has... and an old kernel, so.. is testing safe to use if you know what you are doing? |
| 05:32.33 | Alzi2 | And if so, how to switch to it? |
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| 05:33.37 | wols | !sarge->etch |
| 05:33.40 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 05:33.53 | wols | but if you don't even know how to upgrade kernels, I kinda doubt you know what you're doing |
| 05:34.00 | Alzi2 | I kno how to do that. |
| 05:34.14 | Alzi2 | But i don't have to compile 'em, right? |
| 05:34.17 | wols | what kernel do you have? |
| 05:34.21 | Stevie-O | shouldn't etch be becoming stable soon? |
| 05:34.21 | Alzi2 | 2.4 |
| 05:34.33 | wols | even sarge ships with 2.6.8 |
| 05:34.46 | wols | so you don't know what you're doing or you had already upgraded it I'd say |
| 05:35.08 | wols | Stevie-O: supposedly december. but some now have seiours doubts which year |
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| 05:36.33 | Alzi2 | wols: it does? i didn't have that.. |
| 05:37.20 | wols | Alzi2: it's on evrey sarge ISO CD even. every single one. It's in every official repository |
| 05:37.41 | Alzi2 | wols: Well, I installed from an old net install CD.. |
| 05:37.49 | wols | I said every single one |
| 05:37.57 | Alzi2 | hmm... |
| 05:38.01 | Alzi2 | well how to get it? |
| 05:38.07 | wols | man apt-get |
| 05:38.17 | Alzi2 | I'm new to debian, really. I'm used to Arch Linux, Gentoo, Ubuntu, n stuff like that :P |
| 05:38.30 | Alzi2 | wols: Yes I know how apt-get works but what package? |
| 05:38.35 | wols | ubuntu has apt-get, so you should be familiar |
| 05:38.42 | Alzi2 | Yes. |
| 05:38.44 | wols | man apt-cache |
| 05:38.59 | Alzi2 | So if i install 2.6 it replaces 2.4? |
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| 05:39.11 | Alzi2 | Then HAL will work? and then I can get the new GNOME and X.org or what? |
| 05:39.12 | wols | !tell Alzi2 about grounding |
| 05:40.28 | wols | just a small question: do you have SATA disks? |
| 05:41.03 | odla | Alzi2: you won't be able to get the new gnome unless you compile it |
| 05:41.16 | odla | Alzi2: it's not even fully in unstable yet |
| 05:41.30 | Alzi2 | hmm... |
| 05:41.50 | Alzi2 | odla: What does testing contain, and is it stable enough to use on a daily basis? (I plan using Debian on my laptop to learn Linux) |
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| 05:42.06 | odla | Alzi2: you could definitely use testing as a laptop |
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| 05:42.13 | Alzi2 | odla: Alright. |
| 05:42.29 | odla | Alzi2: i run unstable on my lappy...but try out testing first and then when you're feeling risky you can upgrade :) |
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| 05:43.27 | Alzi2 | Alright. I am switching to testing now :) |
| 05:43.59 | Alzi2 | Really, Debian is neat. It's really advanced and flexible. I didn't like it, though, because of all the old packages.. |
| 05:44.17 | calc | unstable is usually pretty up to date |
| 05:44.53 | calc | i ran debian unstable for about 6-7 years then switched to ubuntu |
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| 05:45.21 | Alzi2 | odla: If I upgrade to testing, can i go to unstable later? |
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| 05:46.12 | levander | Is there any server side version of these filters that mail clients have. But, I don't want to have to modify configuration files like with procmail. Just do it through a web page or something. |
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| 05:46.47 | Alzi2 | levander: You can't escape the configuration fate Linux has laid upon you. |
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| 05:47.27 | levander | Alzi2: please go propose a protocol for IMAP servers to support that will allow mail client to modify filters, on the IMAP servers. |
| 05:47.39 | wols | levander: there is. cyrus2 with sieve |
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| 05:47.55 | levander | wols: I can't just use dovecot? |
| 05:48.08 | wols | if you use squirrelmail with avelsieve pluging (or mulberry) you can do it in a webpage |
| 05:48.13 | wols | no |
| 05:48.31 | wols | at least I don't know a sieve implementation for dovecot |
| 05:48.46 | Alzi2 | levander: hmm.. ok.. |
| 05:48.50 | Alzi2 | odla: If I upgrade to testing, can i go to unstable later? |
| 05:48.51 | odla | Alzi2: yes |
| 05:48.59 | wols | levander: there already is such a protocol. It's sieve and has its own RFC and all |
| 05:49.07 | levander | wols: i'm looking into this sieve thing, have a good link? |
| 05:49.27 | wols | http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3028.txt |
| 05:49.31 | levander | wols: does cyrus2 have the only implementation of sieve? does thunderbird (or kde's mail app) have an implementation of it? |
| 05:49.47 | odla | Alzi2: unstable is more up to date than ubuntu cause ubuntu is just a snapshot of sid every 6 months |
| 05:49.50 | wols | apparently dovecot has sieve. interesting |
| 05:49.51 | levander | wols: ummm, i just need something more basic, user focused, than the rfc |
| 05:49.52 | Guerin | sieve is something that only really works with cyrus bastardisations, isn't it? |
| 05:49.58 | Guerin | oh. |
| 05:49.58 | Alzi2 | odla: It.. is? |
| 05:49.59 | levander | wols: i'm not writing my own implementation |
| 05:50.07 | odla | Alzi2: yup |
| 05:50.08 | Alzi2 | odla: Okay, I first go try out testing and then unstable |
| 05:50.16 | Alzi2 | odla: Is testing like ubuntu? |
| 05:50.20 | Guerin | Alzi2: no. |
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| 05:50.59 | odla | Alzi2: not really |
| 05:51.11 | odla | Alzi2: it's definitely not as up to date as ubuntu and it doesn't try to be |
| 05:51.29 | wols | levander: http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA#head-124160fcd4386aa01a03b637f27db14d9adad06c |
| 05:51.30 | Guerin | well |
| 05:51.38 | Guerin | it's as up-to-date as ubuntu stable |
| 05:51.41 | Guerin | sometimes |
| 05:51.53 | odla | Guerin: not edgy whatever the hell |
| 05:51.56 | Alzi2 | Testing is stable to use on a daily basis, while unstable is not, right? |
| 05:52.08 | wols | odla: how is etch old than edgy? |
| 05:52.10 | Guerin | odla: because it's brand new and still bleeding |
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| 05:52.25 | Guerin | Alzi2: a bit of both. |
| 05:52.29 | odla | Alzi2: in general...testing and unstable are both stable enough for pc's and stable is for servers |
| 05:52.43 | Guerin | Alzi2: testing breaks less frequently and less hard than unstable, but when it does it breaks for longer. |
| 05:52.51 | odla | wols: it's not older than edgy i just said that certain packages are already older than edgys...i.e. gnome 2.14 instead of 2.16 |
| 05:53.13 | Alzi2 | Guerin: Hmm... Ok, so i should get unstable on my laptop? |
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| 05:53.40 | Guerin | Alzi2: no. |
| 05:53.52 | wols | Alzi2: unstable _will_ give you gray hairs. lots of it. stay away |
| 05:54.00 | Alzi2 | wols: Okay. and Testing? |
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| 05:54.10 | wols | less grey hairs |
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| 05:54.15 | Guerin | Alzi2: just gives you curly hair. |
| 05:54.20 | Alzi2 | a lot less? :P |
| 05:54.20 | Guerin | Alzi2: like bread crusts |
| 05:54.38 | Alzi2 | but my laptop isn't a server, so i guess i should use testing :) |
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| 05:54.47 | abhinay | I have installed minimal system using netinstall, i got only core packages (no GUI,only shell) ; then i installed gnome-core ,gdm ,xserver-xorg packages manually, when i start running gdm it is saying fake start-stop-daemon Aborting ! and Xorg failed to run , Any Suggestions ? |
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| 05:54.54 | Alzi2 | In the testing repo, are there more packages, like mednafen? |
| 05:55.17 | wols | !tell abhinay about drxx |
| 05:55.18 | abhinay | and i also tried to configure xserver-xorg , but i got same problem |
| 05:55.23 | Guerin | Alzi2: yes and no. more than what? You can search on packages.debian.org |
| 05:55.26 | wols | !tell alzu about search |
| 05:55.55 | Alzi2 | Guerin: And else you can compile 'em, unlike Ubuntu, right? |
| 05:56.13 | wols | Alzi2: compiling them in ubuntu and debian is equally hard |
| 05:56.22 | Guerin | Alzi2: you can compile things on *any* unix |
| 05:56.29 | Alzi2 | Guerin: not on Ubuntu.. |
| 05:56.35 | wols | Alzi2: you are mistaken |
| 05:56.48 | Guerin | Alzi2: when I was a kid, I didn't know where songs came from, because some of them were so good that I figured noobody was skilled enough to make them up |
| 05:56.52 | Alzi2 | wols: It's hard. |
| 05:57.04 | Alzi2 | wols: With all the -dev packages |
| 05:57.04 | wols | Alzi2: equally hard on any *nix |
| 05:57.21 | Guerin | Alzi2: you have this opininon about operating systems, but think: how can you install it if SOMEONE didn't build the damn thing from source? |
| 05:57.22 | Alzi2 | on Arch, you just have to ./configure, make && make install |
| 05:57.22 | wols | debian has the exact same system, and it's very easy to use |
| 05:57.44 | Guerin | Alzi2: and on debian or ubuntu all you need to do is debian/rules binary |
| 05:57.49 | Alzi2 | on Ubuntu you have to find out what development packages to install, install em, install build-essential, and be a step further than you previously were. |
| 05:57.49 | wols | Alzi2: funny. I do the same on debian |
| 05:58.06 | Guerin | just because you don't know how don't make it hard, impossible, or stupid |
| 05:58.31 | Alzi2 | Guerin: Yeah i don't know how to compile stuff under Ubuntu. they said I had to install lots of -dev packages |
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| 05:58.51 | wols | depeneds what you want to compile |
| 05:58.59 | Guerin | Alzi2: those are quite trivial, and you'd have to install them on arch or anything else, too. |
| 05:59.03 | Alzi2 | wols: Is it the same on Debian? |
| 05:59.12 | wols | Alzi2: read what I wrote |
| 05:59.14 | Guerin | !moron Alzi2 |
| 05:59.14 | dpkg | Alzi2: You are moron #97 |
| 05:59.14 | Alzi2 | Guerin: On Arch, you can just compile and it works like a charm.. |
| 05:59.25 | Guerin | Alzi2: not without the -dev libraries, i guarantee |
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| 05:59.37 | Alzi2 | Guerin: Well then they are installed by default. |
| 05:59.47 | Guerin | Alzi2: to you it might be an article of faith, but I can assure you it ain't so. |
| 05:59.48 | wols | Guerin: since when are there libs in -dev packages? :) we're not under windows you know |
| 06:00.12 | Guerin | Alzi2: either 1. bullshit or 2. arch is much stupider than I thought |
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| 06:01.00 | Alzi2 | Guerin: It's not bullshit. I have used Arch for many months, again and again (:P), and Gentoo too. They all support compiling by default. you can get ANYTHING compiled. |
| 06:01.08 | Guerin | WTF |
| 06:01.17 | Guerin | ANY unix supports compiling |
| 06:01.29 | Alzi2 | without any hassle, i meant, Guerin... |
| 06:01.33 | Guerin | 'by default' is required for shit like gentoo where you have no option |
| 06:01.35 | wols | Alzi2: simply put, when it comes to *nix, you don't know shit |
| 06:01.52 | Guerin | Alzi2: apt-get build-dep packagename isn't hassle |
| 06:02.13 | Guerin | but the point is that debian has about 16,000 packages so you pretty much never need to build shit from source |
| 06:02.18 | dserban | Ehh... I'm running sid and I'm trying to get the initramfs not to start the /md0 array... how would I do that? I've already stopped it on boot with the break=mount command... but I want it to skip the assembly of the /dev/md array... (since it's infinitely looping with "/dev/md/0 already active, cannot restart it!" |
| 06:02.38 | Alzi2 | wols: Don't say that. |
| 06:02.49 | wols | yes, truth hurts |
| 06:03.02 | dserban | who gives a shit ... |
| 06:03.06 | dserban | <--- help this guy ;) |
| 06:03.29 | calc | probably 99% of the people in here don't have SO's so leave them alone... ;-) |
| 06:04.05 | calc | dserban: decompress the ramfs and edit the init file then recompress it |
| 06:04.07 | wols | calc: I have a computer. what else would I need exactly? :) |
| 06:04.13 | calc | wols: hehe |
| 06:04.38 | dserban | I'm in the initramfs shell on boot... |
| 06:04.42 | dserban | wth's a SO? |
| 06:04.55 | calc | i'm popping 48K emails right now since i haven't checked it since June 26 |
| 06:05.00 | wols | calc: that's "young love" it will change over time :P |
| 06:05.12 | calc | dserban: significant other, non-discriminatory way of saying it |
| 06:05.19 | dserban | SO = Seksi Ogre? |
| 06:05.22 | dserban | oh heh |
| 06:05.32 | wols | yes, sometimes a seksi ogre :) |
| 06:05.38 | Alzi2 | wols: Hey, no one can know EVERYTHING about Linux, but I can assure you, I have used Linux for 6 years or so, almost all distro's except Debian. Had used Gentoo for 3 years after which i tried Debian and switched to Ubuntu after that. After that i went switching to other distro's again and then I had a plan 'Hey, i have a desktop and a laptop so what if I put an advance Linux distro on my laptop and a beginner distro on my Desktop PC" |
| 06:05.44 | calc | wols: heh i wish i was still young, going to be over the first hill next month ;) |
| 06:05.59 | Alzi2 | So no, it's -NOT- the truth. |
| 06:06.07 | sanmarcos | god NFS is fuckinbg aweful |
| 06:06.16 | calc | sanmarcos: yes it is |
| 06:06.19 | wols | Alzi2: my mumo uses windows 6 years now. doesn't mean she knows a thing :) |
| 06:06.20 | dserban | Alzi2: then don't be opinionated and we'll all be happy-go-lucky and go tell you to rtfm |
| 06:06.32 | wols | *mum |
| 06:06.42 | Alzi2 | wols: But I installed Gentoo :P |
| 06:06.44 | calc | sanmarcos: i used to have to maintain an nfs server at work, it was annoying as hell, had to restart it often |
| 06:06.46 | wols | sanmarcos: the bad thing is, the alternatives aren't better |
| 06:07.02 | Alzi2 | dserban: Yeah all right but just to clarify the fact that i DO know shit about Linux :P |
| 06:07.03 | dserban | Anyhoo.... anyone have any idea how to tell initramfs to stop fucking running the local-top/mdadm script? :( |
| 06:07.05 | wols | Alzi2: a moron with two braincells can install it. you don't need to learn _anything_ to do it |
| 06:07.09 | calc | not sure why but it randomly decided certain clients weren't allowed to access it |
| 06:07.26 | dserban | Alzi2: Indeed. I've been in it since 95 now... and I'm still a nup |
| 06:07.55 | dserban | c'mon I've googled this to death... does no one know how to stop mdadm from running on boot? I can't boot the effin' thing.... |
| 06:08.06 | Alzi2 | dserban: ok.. |
| 06:08.09 | dserban | unless.... I run knoppix... chroot into the system and upgrade mdadm manually... |
| 06:08.34 | calc | i'm probably about average, used linux since 95 been a dd for 6 years, used it as primary desktop for 8 years |
| 06:08.37 | dserban | Alzi2: I mean... I haven't stopped learning... I've just grown rather opinionated =) |
| 06:09.16 | Alzi2 | dserban: Well, you can't call someone a N00b. No one can know EVERYTHING about Linux, right? |
| 06:09.27 | wols | !noob |
| 06:09.27 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
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| 06:09.32 | Alzi2 | So, you're not a n00b, too. You're just an average user |
| 06:09.36 | Alzi2 | :P |
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| 06:09.46 | calc | Alzi2: no one can know everything about any subject unless the subject is trivial |
| 06:09.53 | Alzi2 | calc: mmhm. |
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| 06:10.43 | dserban | Alzi2: I didn't tell you you're a nup... I know EVERYTHING about... jellybeans |
| 06:10.45 | dserban | heh |
| 06:10.55 | calc | i'm redirecting my spare energy to photography for now |
| 06:10.57 | dserban | anyhoo :s I guess I'll hit the mailing lists |
| 06:11.06 | calc | doesn't hurt that my gf is a model |
| 06:11.24 | dserban | Been there done that.. but not "that one" :) |
| 06:11.25 | Alzi2 | dserban: JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS JELLYBEANS :D |
| 06:11.29 | wols | calc: or ask again in here later. 12h or so |
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| 06:12.10 | sanmarcos | whats [pdflush[ |
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| 06:12.59 | sanmarcos | !pdflush |
| 06:13.18 | wols | "In 2.6 pdflush replaces bdflush and kupdated from 2.4 and is responsible for peridically flushing dirty pages in order to ensure that there is enough free memory and to save users from losing data when their computer crashes and things are still in the buffer cache instead of on disk." |
| 06:13.33 | wols | everything in brackets is a kernel "process" |
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| 06:20.14 | sanmarcos | how can I force umount a mount that does not respond to --force fuser -mki or losf? |
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| 06:23.40 | pstickne | is it really mounted? is mtab just jacked up? |
| 06:23.53 | Stevie-O | isn't modern mtab just a symlink to /proc/mounts ? |
| 06:24.16 | pstickne | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 458 2006-10-07 17:33 /etc/mtab |
| 06:24.17 | pstickne | what I get |
| 06:24.18 | Stevie-O | hm, guess not |
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| 06:24.24 | psychonate | I'm trying to build lirc modules for my kernel (2.6.17-2-k7). Can I use the 2.6.17 kernel source for this? If so, how do I get the module to build for 2.6.17-2-k7 (instead of being put in /lib/modules/2.6.17)? |
| 06:24.42 | sanmarcos | pstickne: how can I know? |
| 06:24.44 | Stevie-O | Strange, because /proc/mounts is the same exact format as /etc/mtab |
| 06:24.55 | sanmarcos | proc mounts shows it |
| 06:25.00 | sanmarcos | fuck I hate optical media |
| 06:25.15 | pstickne | what error/problem do you get when you try to umount? |
| 06:25.17 | Stevie-O | sanmarcos: anyway, what's it say when you tell it to umount? |
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| 06:27.25 | sanmarcos | umount: /media/dvd: device is bus |
| 06:28.30 | Stevie-O | change it to a taxi :) |
| 06:28.52 | Stevie-O | anyway, what does lsof have to say about that? |
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| 06:29.49 | Stevie-O | lsof -f | grep dvd |
| 06:30.53 | sanmarcos | hangs |
| 06:31.00 | sanmarcos | [426293.515544] hdc: lost interrupt on dmesg all over |
| 06:31.19 | Stevie-O | that's not good |
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| 06:32.32 | sanmarcos | no shit |
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| 06:35.16 | xjkx | what do i need to learn about security |
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| 06:36.52 | epsilon | http://www.de.debian.org/doc/ -> securing debian handbook |
| 06:37.18 | peterrooney | xjkx: and a paranoid heart |
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| 06:39.11 | epsilon | yea, just image homelandsecurity-by-scare'lity is watching over your shoulder |
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| 06:42.11 | admin123 | I want to store it on dvd, reboot the pc, put dvd in client pc, and then after it has booted the restore process should start. |
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| 06:47.52 | blazemonger | what'sup folkz |
| 06:48.04 | blazemonger | I just installed Debian..went flawless |
| 06:49.09 | Guerin | good to hear |
| 06:49.11 | Alzi2 | GAH! |
| 06:49.27 | Alzi2 | I did a dist-upgrade after changing the config to testing and a LOT of packages are broken. It won't continue! |
| 06:49.37 | Guerin | Alzi2: remove packages which are borken |
| 06:49.50 | Guerin | Alzi2: remove ruthlessly and keep removing things until it works |
| 06:50.01 | Guerin | Alzi2: remove everything that's not COMPLETELY essential |
| 06:50.01 | Alzi2 | Guerin: ... then Debian is not for me >_> |
| 06:50.22 | Guerin | Alzi2: it usually works fine, but they're preparing for a release right now, so testing is a but munted |
| 06:50.42 | blazemonger | munted? |
| 06:50.46 | Guerin | munted. |
| 06:50.56 | blazemonger | never heard that before |
| 06:51.05 | blazemonger | i installed testing and it went flawles |
| 06:51.42 | Guerin | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=munted |
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| 06:53.03 | Alzi2 | Guerin: Well.. then it was dumb of me to try to upgrad |
| 06:53.03 | Alzi2 | e |
| 06:53.29 | Guerin | not really |
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| 06:53.39 | Guerin | it really does work fine most of the time |
| 06:53.49 | Guerin | but a *lot* of shit is in flux right now. |
| 06:54.31 | blazemonger | should updating from testing to sid go flawless for me? |
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| 06:54.59 | dondelelcaro | blazemonger: it's sid. Caveat installor. |
| 06:55.24 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: so you do the queries a few thousand times each. |
| 06:55.33 | psychonate | Can I use the 2.6.17 kernel source to create modules for my 2.6.17-2-k7 kernel? |
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| 06:58.16 | blazemonger | dondelelcaro: so you're saying it should work |
| 06:58.35 | blazemonger | how much trouble is it updating to sid |
| 06:58.36 | dondelelcaro | blazemonger: no, I'm saying I have no idea. |
| 06:58.52 | dondelelcaro | blazemonger: if it failing matters, you generally should stick with testing. |
| 06:59.12 | Guerin | you can't unring the sid bell, either |
| 06:59.18 | Guerin | it's like a bungee jump |
| 06:59.25 | dondelelcaro | without a bungee |
| 06:59.29 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:59.40 | Guerin | i was going to say when the bungee hasn't been measured |
| 06:59.46 | Guerin | it *might* work |
| 07:00.23 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: upgrading to sid is <reply> upgrading to sid is like using a bungee cord of indeterminate length. You may get lucky, you may go splat. |
| 07:00.24 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 07:00.43 | Guerin | speaking of unringing bells, our drinking age was lowered from 20 to 18 five or seven years ago, and parliament votes next week on whether to raise the age back to 20. |
| 07:00.53 | Guerin | I predict riots of 18 and 19 year-olds |
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| 07:01.34 | yunhual | Hi all, may i have a question, how can i match all text between the Begin_tag and End_tag with sed |
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| 07:08.24 | xjkx | what if kernel is vul and its a server, do i have to reboot anyway to apply patches and new kernel versions? |
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| 07:33.28 | Assid | is there a way to install debian on a redhat machine remotely.. maybe with kvm/ip without a CD/floppy |
| 07:34.22 | ]Gnea[ | Assid: netboot |
| 07:34.41 | george | Assid: you'd maybe have to figure a thing out called debootstrap |
| 07:34.58 | Guerin | debootstrap ain't hard |
| 07:35.18 | george | oh, gnea's right too... somehow you have to boot the machine |
| 07:35.23 | Guerin | it used to be built for redhate as well |
| 07:35.28 | ]Gnea[ | http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
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| 07:35.37 | george | I thought it still was |
| 07:35.40 | george | not? |
| 07:35.44 | Guerin | dunno |
| 07:35.48 | Guerin | haven't used it since 2003 |
| 07:36.09 | george | and havent' installed anything since then either? :) |
| 07:36.12 | ]Gnea[ | i'm probably going to have to netboot this other system, since it doesn't want to boot from a usb stick |
| 07:36.20 | Assid | cant use netboot, its a data center.. they dont give me bootp or dhcp |
| 07:36.25 | Guerin | Assid: there's actually a series of howtos on how to flawlessly remot-upgrade your suse box to debian - googl |
| 07:36.29 | Guerin | e |
| 07:36.41 | Guerin | i think the host used as an example was oneandone.net or something |
| 07:36.54 | george | Assid, does it have usb? can it boot from usb? |
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| 07:37.02 | Assid | cant use any of that |
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| 07:37.02 | ]Gnea[ | !usb-install |
| 07:37.03 | dpkg | usb-install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 07:37.09 | Guerin | george: nothing byt debian, or obsd |
| 07:37.36 | Assid | the only method i have used TILL DATE, is taking my debian installation.. and uploading all the basic files to the server. and then finish installing the rest of the applications online |
| 07:37.43 | ]Gnea[ | Assid: that's funny, considering that you were asking for an ip-without-a-CD method |
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| 07:38.07 | Assid | i can use a KVM/ip to get access to the machine |
| 07:38.07 | xjkx | is netboot and ltsp the same? |
| 07:38.22 | Guerin | ltsp is a project |
| 07:38.25 | ]Gnea[ | xjkx: they use similar mechanisms, that's about it |
| 07:38.28 | Guerin | netboot is a method of booting a computer |
| 07:38.44 | Guerin | it's a bit like asking if a carburettor is the same as an engine |
| 07:38.50 | george | ok, I'm trying to get a newer j2sdk on a sarge,,, can I do it easily? |
| 07:39.07 | Assid | you know what |
| 07:39.13 | Guerin | george: /msg dpkg install java |
| 07:39.24 | Assid | i haev r2 iso.. im gonna just install it on a machine here.. and update it online |
| 07:39.32 | xjkx | Guerin, ltsp is a way to use the computer with no hard disk using internet, and ntebook just to boot, is that what you mean? |
| 07:39.35 | Assid | use sash to do it |
| 07:39.51 | Assid | there goes my ubuntu |
| 07:39.53 | Guerin | xjkx: more or less, yeah. netboot is something used by ltsp |
| 07:40.21 | george | Guerin: I even updated java-package to 0.28, which also doesn't support 1.5.x |
| 07:40.26 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:40.33 | Guerin | oh well, no great loss |
| 07:41.20 | george | one last try... so in sid they went to distributing java directly... was the java source built on a debian? |
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| 07:42.36 | Ricoshady | how do I change the runtime so it does go straight into X? |
| 07:42.53 | Ricoshady | I mean, does NOT go straight into X |
| 07:43.10 | Assid | somewhere december was the next target release rigth the new one update? |
| 07:43.15 | Assid | 4.0 |
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| 07:43.31 | Miesco | Whats a good calendar program with lots of interfaces? |
| 07:43.39 | karsten | Miesco: 'cal' ;-) |
| 07:43.39 | jelly-home | Ricoshady: install wdm, gdm, kdm, xdm or something like that. |
| 07:43.58 | karsten | Miesco: ... or 'calendar', if you prefer. |
| 07:44.46 | tralala | Ricoshady, what do you mean? |
| 07:44.53 | Miesco | karsten: Is that what you use? |
| 07:45.02 | Ricoshady | I dont want to boot up into X, I want to go to the console |
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| 07:45.11 | tralala | !nodm |
| 07:45.11 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 07:45.12 | Ricoshady | I need to change the run level |
| 07:45.13 | karsten | Miesco: Actually, yes, for a fair number of purposes. |
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| 07:45.37 | jelly-home | Ricoshady: oh, in that case DON'T run .dm ;-) |
| 07:45.45 | Miesco | karsten: What kind of purposes? |
| 07:46.07 | george | Ricoshady: change it how? debian runlevels are the same by default |
| 07:46.16 | karsten | Miesco: 'cal' to just quickly throw up a date or set of dates. |
| 07:46.20 | jelly-home | Ricoshady: Debian doesn't have special runlevel settings to run/not to run X |
| 07:46.27 | karsten | Miesco: 'calendar' to serve as a reminder of events scheduled. |
| 07:46.29 | tralala | Ricoshady, see what dpkg said |
| 07:46.45 | Ricoshady | how can I prevent it from running without actually removing the packages |
| 07:46.46 | karsten | Miesco: Also use evolution w/ Outlook plugin for more mainstream PIM. |
| 07:47.06 | Miesco | karsten: PIM? |
| 07:47.12 | jelly-home | Ricoshady: that NEWSFLASH above. |
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| 07:47.29 | karsten | Miesco: personal information manager. |
| 07:47.34 | jelly-home | Ricoshady: also that update-rc.d command. |
| 07:47.41 | karsten | Miesco: calendar, mail, contacts, tasks, etc. |
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| 07:47.59 | Miesco | karsten: Does it have a console interface? |
| 07:48.02 | george | Ricoshady: you can customize some runlevels yourself./.. without customization, all runlevels are the same... and if you remove/install packages affected by your customization, it goes back |
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| 07:48.28 | karsten | Miesco: both calendar and cal do, yes. |
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| 07:48.36 | grendal_prime | this is the most frustrating protocol in the fkn world |
| 07:48.39 | jelly-home | george: um, isn't it against the policy for the package to bring back rc?.d links that one has customized? |
| 07:48.40 | grendal_prime | bluetooth |
| 07:48.42 | Miesco | karsten: But not evolution? |
| 07:48.48 | karsten | Miesco: No. |
| 07:48.53 | grendal_prime | i can see the devices, i can ping them..i just cand do anthing with them |
| 07:49.03 | karsten | Miesco: Anyhow, my calendar says it's my bedtime. |
| 07:49.04 | george | jelly-home: I should have hoped so... but what if you purge? |
| 07:49.07 | Miesco | karsten: See the problem with that is I cant use both without adding dates to both of them every time |
| 07:49.21 | karsten | Miesco: Aye, that's the pain. |
| 07:49.26 | jelly-home | george: oh, you said remove/install. |
| 07:49.47 | george | ok, so if you don't -purge- then it ought to keep them... hence, they are conffiles |
| 07:50.09 | george | marked as conffiles that is, with all that brings |
| 07:50.10 | jelly-home | george: and Ricoshady wants to keep the packages anyway |
| 07:51.02 | Miesco | Has anyone got evolution to work with a LDAP server? |
| 07:51.02 | george | right, I'm just carrying the discussion to the edge :) |
| 07:51.24 | george | what are some of the sid java packages called? |
| 07:52.47 | jelly-home | george: hmm... in any case, the packages really readd the rc.d links, at least those that I have installed do. strange. |
| 07:55.18 | xjkx | sometimes i open pages and some words are a bit hard to read, then i alt+tab to another software then alt+tab back, and its well visible, i mean, well readable, what might it be? |
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| 07:55.50 | tralala | crappy video drivers |
| 07:55.53 | george | well let's see,,, if you remove the package without purging... what should remain is the links in /etc/rc?.d/ and the file in /etc/init.d |
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| 07:56.14 | dooglus | I'm trying to get php5 and apache2 working together, but when I visit a .php file, the server sends the file to me unprocessed. what might I have done wrong? |
| 07:56.25 | george | so the latter will run in whatever runlevel, and should therefore check for the thing it starts |
| 07:57.46 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: you haven't added php as a mime type for mod_php |
| 07:58.12 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: this should happen automatically by the /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf file. |
| 07:58.33 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: I have libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-cgi php5-common php5-mysql phpmyadmin all installed. |
| 07:59.10 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: that file exists, and contains: <IfModule mod_php5.c> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps </IfModule> |
| 07:59.29 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: you've run a2enmod php5; and restarted the server, right? What does wget --spider -S localhost 2>&1|grep Server; return? |
| 07:59.43 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: I've not run a2enmod, no. |
| 07:59.51 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: well, you need to do that. |
| 08:00.01 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: I think dpkg restarted the server for me when I installed the libapache2-mod-php5 package |
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| 08:00.29 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: well, you'll have to restart it after enabling the module. |
| 08:00.47 | xjkx | "<tralala> crappy video drivers" any better idea for my card driver? :> |
| 08:01.26 | xjkx | its onboard, sis741 |
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| 08:02.06 | tralala | ouch, an onboard sis video... |
| 08:02.54 | xjkx | yea |
| 08:03.33 | xjkx | your ouch means it sucks or that you thought default drivers should be working okey? |
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| 08:04.05 | tralala | sis cards have always sucked badly |
| 08:04.06 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: they pretty much all suck, but the default driver should "work" |
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| 08:04.49 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: thanks. that worked. I didn't realise I had to enable the module :) |
| 08:05.22 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: yerp; the last thing that I told you (wget --spider -S localhost 2>&1|grep Server;) would have made it obvious |
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| 08:06.04 | george | spaymaydayjayok? |
| 08:06.12 | xjkx | tralala, yea but they work anyway ;o i dont play games, thats why i dont buy a better video card, my monitor is still that oldest kind of too, haha i suck |
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| 08:07.02 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: that wget command just told me " Server: Apache/2.2.3 (Debian)" (twice) |
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| 08:08.03 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:08.03 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:08.19 | sanmarcos | is there a quick way to find files that end in ~ recursively? |
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| 08:09.19 | dooglus | sanmarcos: find . -name '*~' |
| 08:09.42 | sanmarcos | thanks |
| 08:10.22 | dooglus | sanmarcos: or "locate -r '~$'" (which will be quicker, but will use a database of files generated up to 24 hours ago) |
| 08:10.49 | george | unless you run updatedb, which will take awhile... |
| 08:10.51 | test | what line do I add for testing security repository? |
| 08:10.54 | george | similar to find |
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| 08:11.34 | dooglus | george: probably longer than find, since updatedb will index all the files, whereas find will only visit the ones under the start point |
| 08:11.47 | tralala | xjkx, I guess you'll have to live with its quirks then |
| 08:12.11 | george | true... of course you can pick the starting point |
| 08:12.17 | xjkx | thats not very nice ;s but oki =p |
| 08:12.40 | test | what line do I add for testing security repository? |
| 08:12.43 | george | live to quirk! quirk to live! |
| 08:12.58 | test | guys... |
| 08:13.14 | test | guys...,,,,,,,,,,, |
| 08:13.16 | test | what line do I add for testing security repository? |
| 08:13.25 | test | (in sources.list) |
| 08:13.35 | simonrvn | !testing security |
| 08:13.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, testing security is Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch, or ask me about <testing security key> |
| 08:13.51 | simonrvn | it hasn't been updated in a while. they stopped |
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| 08:15.13 | dooglus | test: deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 08:17.35 | streuner_ | simonrvn: sure... |
| 08:19.30 | george | he was repeeting often enough I was going to suggest he build the source.list line by reading man 5 sources.list and then browsing a mirror for it |
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| 08:21.04 | simonrvn | usually i just do |
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| 08:21.12 | simonrvn | !tell test about repeat |
| 08:21.37 | george | !repeet |
| 08:21.37 | dpkg | peet and repeet sat on a fence... peet fell off, who was left? |
| 08:21.47 | cydork | hehe |
| 08:22.36 | cydork | !factinfo repeet |
| 08:22.36 | dpkg | repeet -- created by george <n=george@cpe-24-143-144-111.cable.alamedanet.net> 8m 24s ago; it has been requested once, last by george, 59s ago. |
| 08:24.18 | george | yeep, I didit :P |
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| 08:25.48 | mazzanet | ummm |
| 08:26.05 | george | wwwn |
| 08:26.26 | mazzanet | how do i get aptitude to not install 'Recommended' dependancies |
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| 08:27.29 | amphi | mazzanet: aptitude -R according to man aptitude |
| 08:28.23 | mazzanet | No manual entry for aptitude |
| 08:28.25 | mazzanet | O_o |
| 08:29.06 | george | so you don't have aptitude? or you pointed MANPATH weirdly? |
| 08:29.25 | g333k | what is module-init-tools for? |
| 08:29.27 | mazzanet | of course i have aptitude... |
| 08:29.33 | george | or the man page was added later maybe |
| 08:29.58 | george | dpkg -s aptitude | grep Version |
| 08:29.58 | dpkg | Package: aptitude | grep Version: Status: install ok installed |
| 08:30.29 | george | dpkg: silly... evil... what a combination... |
| 08:30.40 | mazzanet | 0.4.3-1 |
| 08:30.49 | mazzanet | MANPATH=/usr/local/man:/usr/man:/usr/X11R6/man |
| 08:30.57 | mazzanet | interesting |
| 08:31.01 | mazzanet | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.03 | george | oh, that's why |
| 08:32.15 | mazzanet | which is set by the 'default' /etc/profile |
| 08:32.50 | george | I thought it would be blank by default... hmm |
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| 08:34.58 | ]Gnea[ | okay, something's not right... i just used a sarge netinstall cd and now it's updating packages and whatnot but it's using testing - what the fuck |
| 08:35.40 | george | ]Gnea[: maybe you have an old cd from when sarge was testing |
| 08:36.04 | epsilon | check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:36.52 | ]Gnea[ | george: no, it's definately a sarge-sarge cd, i burnt it within the past 10 months. |
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| 08:37.32 | ]Gnea[ | ok, i think i was able to fix it |
| 08:37.39 | amphi | ]Gnea[: old iso I guess; the one I installed still had 'testing' in sources.list |
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| 08:37.53 | ilreds | hi |
| 08:37.59 | ]Gnea[ | ah yes... *phew!* |
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| 08:38.27 | ]Gnea[ | amphi: that's weird... well, i was able to switch over and edit it before it installed anything, so it's all good |
| 08:38.46 | ilreds | anyone is having 403 forbidden problems upgrading from apache 2.0 to 2.2? |
| 08:39.06 | ]Gnea[ | heh.. |
| 08:39.18 | ]Gnea[ | ilreds: in sarge or etch? |
| 08:40.00 | ilreds | etch |
| 08:40.35 | ]Gnea[ | i believe that's a known problem, have you checked the bts? |
| 08:40.48 | streuner_ | !nickometer ]Gnea[ |
| 08:40.50 | dpkg | ']Gnea[' is 38.000% lame, streuner_ |
| 08:40.57 | ]Gnea[ | !nickometer streuner_ |
| 08:40.58 | dpkg | 'streuner_' is 0.000% lame, ]gnea[ |
| 08:41.09 | ilreds | ]Gnea[: what is bts? |
| 08:41.11 | cydork | !lose ]Gnea[ |
| 08:41.12 | dpkg | ]Gnea[: You Lose. |
| 08:41.13 | ]Gnea[ | !bts |
| 08:41.13 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 08:41.21 | ]Gnea[ | but by losing... i win! lol |
| 08:41.46 | streuner_ | pretty weird your logic |
| 08:42.07 | ]Gnea[ | streuner_: yeah, life sucks sometimes... ever since lilo croaked, the freenode staff have been very anti-help with helping me get my nick back (i forgot the pw) |
| 08:42.14 | ilreds | ]Gnea[: thanks |
| 08:42.24 | ]Gnea[ | so now i have to wait the 60 days for it to die off |
| 08:42.29 | ]Gnea[ | ilreds: good luck |
| 08:42.48 | streuner | ]Gnea[: fuck |
| 08:43.03 | cydork | ]Gnea[: well atleast you will get it back after 60 days.. |
| 08:43.03 | ]Gnea[ | streuner: yeah, i asked RichiH and he wouldn't do it |
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| 08:43.11 | amphi | ]Gnea[: you could abandon the leading ']' perhaps, as a kindness ;) |
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| 08:43.40 | Guerin | amphi: it's useless to try to rationalise with ]Gnea[ |
| 08:43.44 | streuner | ]Gnea[: yeah, the suggestion isn't bad, cause nickcompletition... |
| 08:43.50 | ]Gnea[ | amphi: since the freenode staff are being asshats about it, i refuse to stoop to their level by removing any character until such time permits. |
| 08:44.10 | ]Gnea[ | streuner: again, life's a bitch ain't it? :) |
| 08:44.11 | streuner | haha |
| 08:44.46 | amphi | ]Gnea[: great - why punish us? |
| 08:44.52 | cydork | ]Gnea[: actully the nickcompletion is faster with ] :P |
| 08:45.00 | streuner | life sucks sometimes, but its better if you have friends who help you |
| 08:45.06 | Guerin | <3:) <- asshat |
| 08:45.07 | wols | yes. why don't go to freenode-social and punish _themn_? |
| 08:45.37 | wols | cydork: some keyboards have ] at weird places. like mine |
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| 08:46.09 | Guerin | wols: in stock irssi, typing gn<tab> still completes to ]Gnea[ |
| 08:46.11 | ]Gnea[ | amphi: i'm punishing you how? |
| 08:46.27 | Guerin | wols: unless you have the 'exact nicks' setting on, or something such like |
| 08:46.28 | ]Gnea[ | wols: are you using xchat? |
| 08:46.45 | cydork | wols: i have no idea, where ] is on this keyboard. but i am using US keymap. and i dont look at the keyboard :P |
| 08:47.07 | ]Gnea[ | it's usually 2 spaces to the right of p |
| 08:47.28 | ]Gnea[ | unless it's a laptop keyboard, in which case, get a port replicator ;) |
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| 08:47.59 | amphi | ]Gnea[: by subtly deforming the elegance of my display with an excess of square brackets ;) |
| 08:48.17 | Guerin | amphi: ]-[arden up |
| 08:48.28 | fanne | I have to alt-gr-$ for it |
| 08:48.39 | amphi | Guerin: heh |
| 08:48.40 | Guerin | wtf is alt-gr? |
| 08:48.56 | Guerin | my work keyboard has an alt-gr key, it just does alt afaics |
| 08:49.08 | streuner | in order to able a third key on the keyboard |
| 08:49.15 | streuner | type* |
| 08:49.29 | Guerin | streuner: the keyboard has rather more than three keys already |
| 08:50.01 | streuner | € = Alt Gr + E |
| 08:50.04 | Guerin | i have to use windows at work, with citrix |
| 08:50.21 | Guerin | my impressions of citrix are: 'a bit like X forwarding, only not as good'. |
| 08:50.38 | Guerin | streuner: oh. I bind winkey to that |
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| 08:52.15 | RichiH | ]Gnea[: lies! |
| 08:52.20 | RichiH | ]Gnea[: what's the topic? |
| 08:52.28 | ]Gnea[ | RichiH: /topic :) |
| 08:52.40 | Guerin | !topicbadger RichiH |
| 08:52.41 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that RichiH didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 08:52.58 | amichai_ | how do i force apt-get to overwrite a file? |
| 08:53.15 | Guerin | amphi: man dpkg |
| 08:53.18 | Guerin | amichai_: man dpkg |
| 08:53.20 | ]Gnea[ | RichiH: and hey, i asked nicely, and you said to wait the 60 days, so that's what i'm doing. please, what is/are the lies? :) |
| 08:53.24 | amichai_ | k thanx |
| 08:53.36 | Guerin | amichai_: when you know how to make dpkg do it, read man apt, specifically -o |
| 08:53.41 | RichiH | ]Gnea[: ah, that :) |
| 08:53.44 | amichai_ | prob is |
| 08:53.47 | amichai_ | i dotn have any manuals |
| 08:53.53 | amichai_ | my install is stuck half way |
| 08:53.58 | RichiH | ]Gnea[: that's what i wanted to know :) |
| 08:53.58 | amichai_ | so when i type man dpkg |
| 08:54.00 | Guerin | amichai_: you have the interwebs |
| 08:54.19 | ]Gnea[ | RichiH: i spelled it out quite plainly above |
| 08:54.29 | Guerin | RichiH: he called you an asshat |
| 08:54.38 | Guerin | RichiH: are you gonna ban him now? |
| 08:54.39 | streuner | kbuntu..., Guerin |
| 08:54.46 | Guerin | ;) |
| 08:55.11 | Guerin | george: are you using xterm? |
| 08:55.14 | Guerin | BAH |
| 08:55.20 | Guerin | ]Gnea[: are you using xterm? |
| 08:55.25 | Chandu | Hhi |
| 08:55.26 | streuner | Guerin: you should know better, nobody bans you if you insult him here, others do that usually ;-) |
| 08:55.27 | Chandu | hi |
| 08:55.31 | ]Gnea[ | Guerin: no, Eterm |
| 08:55.34 | Guerin | streuner: fuck you, hippie |
| 08:55.46 | streuner | haha |
| 08:55.53 | ]Gnea[ | but i do have xterm handy |
| 08:55.58 | Chandu | Iam compileing scim package .. I have added new layout to that and new images ()pmg format ) ,but Iam not able to compile it |
| 08:56.05 | streuner | caphuso did, but he isn't here |
| 08:56.05 | Guerin | ]Gnea[: use rxvt-unicode-ml for great justice |
| 08:56.16 | Chandu | It is showing binary file contents file changed ..How do I resolve this problem |
| 08:56.45 | Guerin | ]Gnea[: but binding winkey to 117 and setting your locale to foo_bar.utf-8 should be all you need |
| 08:57.26 | Guerin | Chandu: what exactly is the error? |
| 08:57.30 | ]Gnea[ | Guerin: fortunately, it's not for a desktop system, but yeah, that might help... utf-8 has been one of those mysteries that i have yet to properly unfold |
| 08:57.53 | Guerin | it's peasy, the biggest trouble is finding a font with decent coverage |
| 08:58.04 | Guerin | bvsansmono and fixed are decent |
| 08:58.25 | Guerin | apparently arial-unicode has the most glyphs of any font in existence |
| 08:58.26 | ]Gnea[ | i need something that supports ANSI as well |
| 08:58.32 | Guerin | they all do |
| 08:58.41 | Guerin | the first 128 characters of utf-8 are ansi |
| 08:58.44 | ]Gnea[ | proper? |
| 08:58.51 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:58.54 | ]Gnea[ | hrm |
| 08:59.08 | Guerin | it's designed to not be painful like that, and makes up for it by being painful in other ways |
| 08:59.31 | Guerin | like how koreans and chinese and japanese argue over whose glyphs get primacy |
| 08:59.58 | Guerin | i say it should be the chinese, since they invented the language - but then, they went and simplified it, damn commies |
| 09:00.02 | Guerin | it gets ugly |
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| 09:01.21 | ]Gnea[ | they're all jibberish anyhow ;) |
| 09:01.36 | Guerin | gawdamn chinkies |
| 09:01.44 | Guerin | get orf mah laynd! |
| 09:02.10 | ]Gnea[ | cheezit! |
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| 09:06.03 | sanmarcos | how can I extract a specific file with tar? |
| 09:06.15 | streuner | just run 'mc' |
| 09:07.43 | Guerin | streuner: man tar |
| 09:07.47 | Guerin | sanmarcos: man tar |
| 09:08.06 | `ns` | mc rules :) |
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| 09:09.56 | scorpiion | sanmarcos tar xzvf filename |
| 09:10.07 | scorpiion | don't use mc |
| 09:10.22 | sanmarcos | no |
| 09:10.27 | sanmarcos | that shit works like crap on ssh+zsh |
| 09:10.28 | sanmarcos | fuck it |
| 09:10.41 | tralala | fuck zsh |
| 09:10.46 | petemc | woo |
| 09:10.50 | tralala | it works great with bash |
| 09:10.52 | ]Gnea[ | !backports |
| 09:10.52 | dpkg | it has been said that backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 09:10.55 | Chandu | Guerin, binary file contents changed ... This error is showing for all the image files I have added |
| 09:10.56 | amphi | sanmarcos: in what way? |
| 09:10.57 | george | well use anything you want... but make sure you understand the one you pick |
| 09:11.37 | Chandu | Hey How do I donwlaod udebs using debmirror command |
| 09:11.39 | Guerin | Chandu: i have absolutely no idea what that means in the context of your app. |
| 09:11.45 | Guerin | never use udebs |
| 09:11.47 | Guerin | ever |
| 09:12.02 | Guerin | they don't work, and if you don't know how to make them work, you have no business using them |
| 09:12.55 | Chandu | Guerin, No .. I am building a custom debian Cd ... So I want udbes for that ..Not for installing |
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| 09:14.12 | streuner | Chandu: /j #debian-boot OFTC |
| 09:14.14 | Guerin | Chandu: oh dear. |
| 09:15.08 | streuner | Chandu: (irc.debian.org) |
| 09:15.19 | ]Gnea[ | !oftc |
| 09:15.19 | dpkg | somebody said oftc was the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 09:16.30 | Chandu | streuner, ok |
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| 09:17.09 | streuner | Chandu: wait, why are you #ubuntu channels? |
| 09:17.37 | dwu_ | is there a way to purge all removed files? |
| 09:17.39 | dwu_ | i mean removed packages |
| 09:17.40 | amphi | suspicion breeds confidence! |
| 09:18.27 | Chandu | streuner, Hey just Iam interacting with all .. Iam working in a distro development .. I want to get some idea |
| 09:18.42 | cydork | dwu_: aptitude purge '~c' |
| 09:19.11 | cydork | Chandu: another debian based distro ?? :P |
| 09:19.21 | Chandu | cydork, ya |
| 09:20.02 | cydork | Chandu: and what are you doing differently? |
| 09:20.18 | fanne | Wouldn't distro's get better when everybody that tries to start "yet another distro" was actively developing on the existing ones |
| 09:21.03 | Chandu | cydork, We are working on coming out with a single cd distro (Desktop edition) initially for Government domain |
| 09:21.48 | Chandu | cydork, We started our work with progeny anaconda installer but now we are switching to debian G-I |
| 09:21.57 | Guerin | fanne: the skill sets are largely dissimilar, so I don't thinks os |
| 09:21.59 | Guerin | so |
| 09:22.53 | Guerin | dwu_: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' |xargs dpkg -P |
| 09:23.09 | dwu_ | cydork: serious, sort |
| 09:23.11 | dwu_ | *short |
| 09:23.14 | dwu_ | Guerin: yea i got that one |
| 09:23.18 | cydork | Chandu: so all you need is a custom cd. |
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| 09:23.29 | Chandu | cydork, ya thats right |
| 09:23.36 | Guerin | cydork: does that actually work? |
| 09:23.50 | Guerin | cydork: ~c, I m,ean |
| 09:23.58 | cydork | !tell Guerin -about purge |
| 09:24.11 | cydork | Guerin: remember it from that one. never tried it :P |
| 09:24.16 | streuner | !purge |
| 09:24.17 | dpkg | i guess purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c' |
| 09:24.41 | dwu_ | holy crap |
| 09:24.50 | dwu_ | aptitude is much better than apt? |
| 09:24.54 | Guerin | much |
| 09:25.25 | cydork | dwu_: yes it is.. |
| 09:25.25 | dwu_ | cydork: damn i've been using the wrong tool |
| 09:25.26 | dwu_ | cydork: is there such thing as apt-cache search in aptitude? |
| 09:25.40 | cydork | Chandu: then dont call it a custom distro, just call it a custom cd of debian. :) |
| 09:25.43 | Guerin | dwu_: /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 09:25.56 | cydork | dwu_: aptitude search. Read man aptitude. |
| 09:26.17 | dwu_ | cydork: cool |
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| 09:27.17 | Chandu | cydork, hey we are doing some modifications ..we are adding our own images .. making all autodetect automount of devices default ...have added localized openoffice (called BharatheeyaOO) |
| 09:28.12 | Chandu | cydork, It is based on debian ..but once if installl it just wont look like debian ..In debian we wont get it all by default in cd .. User has to install and configure everything |
| 09:28.41 | yang | I am getting this strange error with /etc/init.d/package start http://pastebin.ca/234692 |
| 09:28.42 | Chandu | cydork, then what Ubuntu is doing .. They are also based on Debian ..right .. |
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| 09:29.38 | ]Gnea[ | * /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with Report bugs to <bug-gnu-utils@gnu.org>. is too full! |
| 09:29.45 | Chandu | cydork, If You want to try it out our distro ..download it from http://203.129.255.181/BOSS link , U can get Install as well as Live CD |
| 09:29.46 | ]Gnea[ | yang: you ran out of disk space |
| 09:30.06 | yang | gnea: Nope, enough disk space there |
| 09:30.16 | george | wha'tsa U? |
| 09:30.22 | ]Gnea[ | yang: not according to that... unless your grep is broken |
| 09:30.36 | yang | gnea yeah, its broken |
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| 09:30.44 | amphi | !u |
| 09:30.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:30.59 | ]Gnea[ | yang: reinstall the grep .deb |
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| 09:33.03 | streuner | Chandu: we aren't in ##linux, please pay attention to that |
| 09:33.42 | Chandu | streuner, ok ok |
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| 09:33.52 | george | was someone attacking ##linux earlier? |
| 09:34.05 | yang | gnea if i want to remove grep i get - http://pastebin.ca/235575 |
| 09:34.19 | george | dep errors? |
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| 09:34.51 | george | you don't have to remove it, just install ovr it |
| 09:35.09 | george | that should freshen it |
| 09:35.37 | tralala | yang, aptitude reinstall grep |
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| 09:37.22 | smhar | hi all. |
| 09:37.57 | yang | tralala: it doesnt work, it wants to download apache-common |
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| 09:38.06 | yang | and it results in segmentation fault |
| 09:38.32 | ]Gnea[ | yang: check the file permissions on all files installed by grep. |
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| 09:40.55 | george | grep wants to install apache-common?? that does not make sense |
| 09:41.10 | smhar | I successfully upgraded my sarge system to etch and everything is working fine (almost, I still need to sort the nivida issue). But now whenever I do an update-upgrade I see two sections: one that says these packages are been kept back, and the other, these will be upgraded, the first section include xorg among others. does this means that there is an update to xorg for my system but for some reason it will not be upgraded? |
| 09:41.19 | george | aptitude wants to install apache-common... that makes sense :) |
| 09:41.32 | cydork | george: aptitude tries to fix -->The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 09:41.32 | george | now you just have to find out why :) |
| 09:42.10 | george | but... you could download the grep .deb of the same version you already got and then use dpkg to install it |
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| 09:43.33 | xorllu | who know why on install tZendStudio-5_2_0.bin this error => http://pastebin.ca/235583 |
| 09:44.02 | george | .bin? that wouldn't be a debian package... |
| 09:44.12 | Chandu | cydork, Hi Sorry .. Net went down in my system ..Now I logged in another |
| 09:44.17 | george | you tell us why |
| 09:45.01 | george | read the error message... think while you read... then see if you can figure why |
| 09:45.40 | george | too often people don't think while they read |
| 09:46.29 | george | so I'm not so trigger-happy to load the paste until they do :) |
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| 09:48.24 | george | notice no response... |
| 09:48.37 | george | so now I'm even less trigger-happy |
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| 09:50.02 | wols | xorllu: ask Zend. it's their software |
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| 09:51.02 | [BlackNinja] | k |
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| 09:52.17 | [BlackNinja] | I am trying to install Kpacman and get an error msg - "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" |
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| 09:52.42 | george | wols: possibly lost cause... since we know he doesn't often think while he reads, how can he understand responses that come here, or even recognize we're trying to respond to him... xorllu: try... to wake... up... |
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| 09:53.21 | wols | [BlackNinja]: then why don't you install your xlib headers? |
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| 09:53.48 | [BlackNinja] | How do you do that? I am new to linux |
| 09:54.22 | george | for debian, you'd find the right package and install it |
| 09:54.38 | ]Gnea[ | [BlackNinja]: headers are usually found in -dev packages |
| 09:54.39 | wols | what debian do you run? |
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| 09:55.29 | smhar | I successfully upgraded my sarge system to etch and everything is working fine (almost, I still need to sort the nivida issue). But now whenever I do an update-upgrade I see two sections: one that says these packages are been kept back, and the other, these will be upgraded, the first section include xorg among others. does this means that there is an update to xorg for my system but for some reason it will not be upgraded? |
| 09:55.49 | wols | smhar: yes |
| 09:55.57 | george | smhar: maybe, at least |
| 09:56.07 | wols | good reason here could be that you used non official backports |
| 09:56.15 | [BlackNinja] | Sarge |
| 09:56.28 | wols | [BlackNinja]: xlib-dev |
| 09:56.40 | george | or maybe xlibs-dev? |
| 09:56.53 | smhar | wols, george , I used some backports but nothing for xorg |
| 09:56.58 | wols | !info xlibs-dev sarge |
| 09:57.17 | dpkg | xlibs-dev: (X Window System client library development files dummy package), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 154 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 09:57.22 | wols | smhar: then install it manually without dist-upgrade then |
| 09:57.23 | smhar | wols, george only for packages like amule and stuff |
| 09:57.43 | george | oldlibs?? that can't be right |
| 09:57.51 | wols | !info xlib-dev sarge |
| 09:58.11 | smhar | wols, so I do apt-get install xorg ? |
| 09:58.13 | wols | xlibs-dev only |
| 09:58.23 | wols | smhar: x-window-system-core |
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| 09:58.48 | george | !info stuff |
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| 09:59.25 | tralala | smhar, did you do dist upgrade? |
| 09:59.30 | tralala | dist-upgrade |
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| 09:59.59 | kennyHH | Hallo |
| 10:00.28 | smhar | tralala, yes |
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| 10:00.58 | kennyHH | war gerade einkaufen und habe die CT liegen gesehen aber nicht gekauft. Nun bin ich zuhause und will sie jezt doch lesen.. kennt jemand eine seite wo ich sie mir kaufen kann mit pdf download? |
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| 10:01.19 | kennyHH | jezt = jetzt |
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| 10:01.20 | cydork | !de |
| 10:01.20 | dpkg | methinks de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 10:01.33 | tralala | smhar, okay go for install |
| 10:01.42 | kennyHH | ok thx |
| 10:01.46 | kennyHH | i join debian.de |
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| 10:01.53 | wols | kennyHH: heise.de |
| 10:02.06 | smhar | wols, tralala , apt-get install x-window-system-core is already at newest version |
| 10:02.37 | tralala | smhar, install a package that is in the list of the packages not upgraded |
| 10:02.46 | wols | then check the package names that are held back and install them all at once in one apt-get command |
| 10:03.14 | kokoboi | is there any drivers for raid AMI scsi controllers ? |
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| 10:04.09 | cydork | !tell smhar -about kept back |
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| 10:04.38 | wols | !tell kokoboi -about hcl |
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| 10:04.39 | george | it's xlibs-dev |
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| 10:04.40 | [BlackNinja] | Now I have the error, "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!" |
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| 10:05.17 | wols | black_13: I don't think you will find someone who will tell you about each and every dependency you miss |
| 10:05.26 | wols | [BlackNinja]: |
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| 10:06.05 | xjkx | what soft i use for watch online tv |
| 10:06.07 | wols | especially since kde stuff has so many :) |
| 10:06.09 | george | try to build simpler things to start with :) |
| 10:07.08 | wols | xjkx: videolan/vlc |
| 10:07.20 | cydork | xjkx: online tv? |
| 10:07.39 | xjkx | cydork, u dunno whats it? |
| 10:07.41 | xjkx | wols, thanks |
| 10:07.47 | cydork | or you mean p0rn? :P |
| 10:07.51 | xjkx | lol |
| 10:07.59 | Anarka | ehehe |
| 10:07.59 | xjkx | mplayer works ok for p0rn =D |
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| 10:08.15 | wols | mplayer works for streaming video too |
| 10:08.18 | george | here's some teevee for ya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8FLpoBcEuE |
| 10:09.22 | [BlackNinja] | what is Qt |
| 10:09.28 | wols | !qt |
| 10:09.28 | dpkg | it has been said that qt is a cross-platform toolkit developed by TrollTech Inc, that works across UNIX (X11), Windows, and Mac (http://www.trolltech.com). To compile packages (mainly KDE) using it on Debian, try: --prefix=/usr --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 |
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| 10:11.13 | [BlackNinja] | --prefix=/usr --with-qt-dir=usr/share/qt3 |
| 10:11.25 | simonrvn | !ping |
| 10:11.25 | dpkg | pong |
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| 10:11.51 | Eclipser | !pang |
| 10:11.56 | Eclipser | boring |
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| 10:15.16 | Bangers | hi, stupid question |
| 10:15.28 | Bangers | I installed debian as DHCP, then I changed the IP to static IP |
| 10:15.43 | Bangers | and im trying to ssh on, but it wont let me |
| 10:15.57 | Bangers | does debian install sshd automatically? or do i need to install it? OR is it not listing on the new ip? |
| 10:16.46 | george | Bangersit' |
| 10:17.00 | george | probably not listening to the new ip... start and stop it |
| 10:17.07 | Bangers | I bounced the box... |
| 10:17.07 | george | err viseversa |
| 10:17.13 | buu | Bangers: Install it |
| 10:17.22 | Bangers | apt-get install sshd ? |
| 10:17.22 | Guerin | Bangers: istr sarge installing and running sshd automatically, but etch doesn't |
| 10:17.25 | buu | (I think it's under openssh or something) |
| 10:17.28 | george | ssh |
| 10:17.31 | Guerin | ssh |
| 10:17.33 | buu | Guerin: Sarge doesn't. |
| 10:17.36 | Bangers | thanks |
| 10:17.45 | Bangers | whats the reasoning behind not installing sshd? |
| 10:17.46 | Guerin | buu: ok, it may have been woody |
| 10:17.47 | Bangers | by default? |
| 10:17.49 | george | and also ssh :) |
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| 10:17.52 | Guerin | it's a long,m long time ago |
| 10:17.57 | Guerin | before the rain, before the snow |
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| 10:18.14 | wols | you don't need daemons by default. any daemon |
| 10:18.17 | Guerin | Bangers: people who need it know how to install it themselves. |
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| 10:18.23 | wols | well, there is MTA |
| 10:18.33 | wols | and the stupid ones in inetd like time |
| 10:18.43 | Guerin | inetd ftl |
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| 10:19.08 | wols | inetd itself is fine, but wth do we need those stupid daemons like time and echo? |
| 10:19.17 | wols | oh:portmapper too. *shudder* |
| 10:19.27 | Guerin | inetd has no purpose in this day and age |
| 10:19.48 | wols | doesn't use much, and can be handy for rarely used stuff |
| 10:20.19 | dondelelcaro | portmap is only installed if you install something that requires it |
| 10:20.34 | dondelelcaro | and even then, by default it listens only on localhost, so there's no really big deal there. |
| 10:20.41 | wols | dondelelcaro: IIRC it was automatically with my bootfloppies in woody |
| 10:20.55 | wols | and I never used stuff like NFS ever |
| 10:21.15 | dondelelcaro | wols: it may be installed by default if you installed something that depended on it, but it isn't Essential: yes, nor is it a dependency of something that is |
| 10:21.22 | Guerin | i'd ditch nfs is fuse/sshfs was functional |
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| 10:21.39 | wols | in a mixed network, samba is the lesser of the two evils |
| 10:21.46 | Guerin | well |
| 10:21.47 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.55 | Guerin | i pity those in mixed networks |
| 10:22.05 | george | nonwindows is the nonevil of the lessers! |
| 10:22.06 | wols | dondelelcaro: some time ago, but I thought it was already there when I was finished with the installer |
| 10:22.21 | Guerin | to me, running nfs is a lesser evil than running a mixed network and having to run samba |
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| 10:22.29 | dondelelcaro | wols: no, it'll only be there if you specified installing everything that was base or similar. |
| 10:23.10 | dondelelcaro | (or everything that was Priority: standard) |
| 10:23.38 | wols | all I remember was a apt-get remove portmap and a editing of inetd.conf :) |
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| 10:25.52 | Empiric_ | hai |
| 10:26.14 | Empiric_ | i am going to buy inetl SE7230NH1-E server board |
| 10:26.22 | Empiric_ | debain supports taht |
| 10:26.27 | Empiric_ | i want debian on that |
| 10:26.31 | Empiric_ | should i go with this |
| 10:26.44 | Guerin | Empiric_: why would we care? |
| 10:26.51 | Empiric_ | come on |
| 10:26.52 | Guerin | Empiric_: if it's supported, use it. |
| 10:26.54 | Empiric_ | am just asking |
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| 10:27.01 | Empiric_ | how i check |
| 10:27.05 | Empiric_ | on intel site |
| 10:27.15 | Empiric_ | its linux and redhat supported |
| 10:27.22 | Empiric_ | this is mentioned |
| 10:27.24 | Guerin | Empiric_: you're already doing better than 90% of people by checking |
| 10:27.49 | Guerin | Empiric_: if it's supported by the linux kernel it'll work in debian |
| 10:27.56 | Empiric_ | ya |
| 10:27.59 | Empiric_ | thanks |
| 10:28.02 | Empiric_ | that i was thinking |
| 10:28.08 | Empiric_ | thanks man |
| 10:28.15 | Empiric_ | am going to order it |
| 10:28.16 | Guerin | !enter |
| 10:28.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
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| 10:33.02 | Anonnymouse | is anyone successfully running the debian packaged version of dspam? I cannot get it running at all due to (I think) file/directory permissions... |
| 10:33.36 | george | Empiric_: yes, most people come in here and elsewhere complaining that debian doesn't work... a few minutes exploration reveals they didn't read the hardware compatibility list first... that's usually where I stop and say "return it" |
| 10:33.48 | Guerin | i don't have a spam problem, since I installed postgrey |
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| 10:33.58 | Guerin | I get about a dozen per day on the whole server |
| 10:34.06 | Assid | heya |
| 10:34.26 | george | postgrey? |
| 10:34.36 | Guerin | george: greylisting for postfix |
| 10:34.38 | Assid | i just remotely changed a box from redhat to debian |
| 10:34.49 | Guerin | Assid: does it reboot? |
| 10:34.57 | Assid | but whenever i install a new package.. i get errors |
| 10:34.59 | Assid | Guerin: yes |
| 10:35.08 | Guerin | Assid: that's the main thing. |
| 10:35.08 | Assid | i stuck to my old sashroot method |
| 10:35.11 | Assid | yeah |
| 10:35.21 | cydork | Assid: which error? |
| 10:35.27 | Assid | gonna recompile a kernel from source.. to make sure i get it u |
| 10:35.29 | Assid | Can't exec "/tmp/webmin.config.11501": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.8/IPC/Open3.pm line 168. |
| 10:35.33 | Assid | thats one example |
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| 10:36.22 | Guerin | it's /tmp |
| 10:36.30 | Assid | how do i get debian to reinstall base packages |
| 10:36.37 | Empiric_ | hum |
| 10:36.37 | Guerin | should be noexec |
| 10:36.38 | Empiric_ | ok |
| 10:36.47 | Assid | drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 4.0K 2006-11-03 05:36 tmp |
| 10:36.49 | Guerin | Empiric_: stop using enter between every word |
| 10:37.04 | Guerin | Assid: not a separate partition, then |
| 10:37.09 | Assid | nope |
| 10:37.19 | Guerin | Assid: get rid of webmin while you're there |
| 10:37.19 | Empiric_ | hum |
| 10:37.23 | Assid | yeah i know |
| 10:37.33 | Assid | i just installed it to get the error again |
| 10:37.45 | george | Empiric_: wndrfl. |
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| 10:38.14 | Assid | want to install and reinstall a few apps so it loads the perl modules and stuff as needed.. i already ran a --reinstall on perl |
| 10:38.39 | george | did that reduce the errors you were getting? |
| 10:38.39 | Assid | so what do i do about the /tmp ? |
| 10:38.50 | Guerin | Assid: does anything run from tmp? |
| 10:39.11 | Assid | well.. when i install a fresh package.. i get those kinda errors |
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| 10:39.31 | Guerin | Assid: echo "echo badgers" > /tmp/foo && chmod +x /tmp/foo && sh /tmp/foo |
| 10:40.01 | sussudio | badgers? |
| 10:40.03 | Assid | yep |
| 10:40.04 | george | sh will run it, exec or not |
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| 10:40.15 | Guerin | hm, true |
| 10:40.24 | Guerin | Assid: does it run, though? |
| 10:40.26 | Assid | yes |
| 10:40.33 | george | so try /tmp/foo now |
| 10:40.41 | Guerin | ok, so it's some problem with the packages you're installing. |
| 10:40.41 | george | (no sh) |
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| 10:40.56 | Assid | -bash: /tmp/foo: Permission denied |
| 10:41.00 | Assid | wtf?? |
| 10:41.10 | Assid | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 13 2006-11-03 05:39 /tmp/foo |
| 10:41.13 | george | ls -l /tmp/foo |
| 10:41.14 | Assid | i have execute there |
| 10:41.14 | Guerin | well, it doesn't have a #! /bin/sh |
| 10:41.27 | george | ok, ls -ld / /tmp |
| 10:41.30 | george | two lines |
| 10:42.00 | Assid | drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 4096 2006-11-03 05:39 /tmp drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 4096 2006-11-03 05:29 / |
| 10:42.19 | Guerin | all kosher |
| 10:42.20 | george | that looks allright... |
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| 10:42.26 | Assid | yeah.. |
| 10:42.36 | george | mount | grep tmp |
| 10:42.54 | Assid | err.. on a different note.. whats .lock files? |
| 10:42.59 | Assid | i have another box with .lock files |
| 10:43.10 | Guerin | no idea |
| 10:43.16 | Guerin | well |
| 10:43.19 | Assid | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 10:43.19 | Assid | none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 10:43.22 | Assid | err.. wait |
| 10:43.36 | Guerin | they might exist just to tell a program that they shouldn't fuck with a certain file |
| 10:43.36 | Assid | apparently /tmp is a mount |
| 10:43.39 | george | two on /dev/shm? |
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| 10:43.56 | Assid | i used the redhat /etc/fstab |
| 10:44.16 | george | that's probably ok |
| 10:44.31 | george | most of it's working it seems |
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| 10:44.58 | Assid | there this okay ? /dev/hda3 /tmp ext3 defaults 1 0 |
| 10:45.22 | cydork | Assid: exec /tmp/webmin.config.11501 |
| 10:45.23 | george | yeah, that looks fine' |
| 10:46.05 | george | I' |
| 10:46.14 | Assid | running /tmp/foo works |
| 10:46.22 | george | d be careful with anything starting with exec |
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| 10:46.41 | george | find out exactly why he wants that |
| 10:47.33 | george | (your shell will -go away- when you run the exec) |
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| 10:48.48 | JamieCope | hello, i just downloaded this file: java_app_platform_sdk-5_01-linux.bin |
| 10:48.53 | JamieCope | how to make a .deb file from it? |
| 10:49.03 | cydork | JamieCope: are you using testing? |
| 10:49.21 | JamieCope | yes, etch |
| 10:50.14 | cydork | JamieCope: then you can just install sun-java5-jdk |
| 10:50.30 | Guerin | JamieCope: /mes dpkg install java |
| 10:50.38 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:51.11 | george | cydork: can I get that for sarge? |
| 10:51.32 | cydork | george: nope |
| 10:51.45 | george | what is the problem? |
| 10:52.00 | Guerin | java is shit? |
| 10:52.04 | Guerin | just an idea. |
| 10:52.10 | george | I don't care about that part :) |
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| 10:52.29 | george | I agree, but I want to see this game they made |
| 10:53.04 | cydork | george: you should know that sarge is frozen .. so no new packages check backports though. |
| 10:53.14 | george | I did that... |
| 10:53.49 | JamieCope | eading package lists... Done |
| 10:53.49 | JamieCope | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 10:53.49 | JamieCope | E: Couldn't find package sun-java5-jdk |
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| 10:53.55 | george | how exactly is that package in etch built? |
| 10:54.31 | Nico | Hello everybody, do you have a good link or adive on how to setup klash (gnash interface) in Konqueror ? |
| 10:54.33 | george | somehow they got a .deb... maybe the package could be built under sarge |
| 10:54.56 | cydork | JamieCope: ya you need non-free for that. :) |
| 10:55.13 | george | Nico: what results did goggle give? |
| 10:55.37 | Nico | people speek about it but no howto |
| 10:55.54 | Guerin | Nico: #debian-kde might know |
| 10:55.59 | JamieCope | cydork, what's that? a repository? |
| 10:56.08 | Nico | yeah, right, thank you |
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| 10:56.25 | JamieCope | dpkg says it's evil |
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| 10:56.34 | cydork | JamieCope: yep it is :) |
| 10:56.38 | JamieCope | so there should be a way to make a .deb out of that .bin, isn't it? |
| 10:56.49 | george | dpkg: have you checked with GumbyBRAIN on that point? |
| 10:57.11 | cydork | JamieCope: take a look at java-package too, but it's easier to use apt-get |
| 10:57.24 | JamieCope | yes, apt-cache can't find java-package either |
| 10:57.31 | Anonnymouse | JamieCope: sun-java5-bin and jdk are in testing |
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| 10:57.41 | xored | is there a good debian subversion howto ( maybe a tip? ) |
| 10:57.43 | cydork | JamieCope: you need contrib for java-package. |
| 10:57.52 | george | why debian? |
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| 10:58.01 | Anonnymouse | JamieCope: have you got contrib / non-free in your sources list? |
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| 10:58.21 | george | xored: do you need to know svn or how to build debian packages or what? |
| 10:58.23 | Guerin | !why debain |
| 10:58.27 | Guerin | !why debian |
| 10:58.27 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 10:58.35 | george | !debain |
| 10:58.35 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 10:58.56 | george | heyy! I got one! |
| 10:59.28 | JamieCope | so i should add 'contrib' after 'main' in sources.list? |
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| 10:59.44 | george | and probably non-free |
| 11:00.02 | Anonnymouse | JamieCope: example line for etch: deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 11:00.42 | Anonnymouse | JamieCope: If you are running sarge, replace etch with either stable or sarge |
| 11:00.48 | xored | george: no, i want to use svn for my projects and want to read a howto how to set up reps etc, iam coming from cvs |
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| 11:00.56 | JamieCope | i am on etch thanks |
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| 11:01.17 | george | xored: ok, so you just need to look at svn manual, that's all |
| 11:02.12 | JamieCope | so should i install sun-java5-bin or java-package? |
| 11:02.23 | JamieCope | i need java 1.5 |
| 11:02.27 | george | and whatever other material is out there on svn |
| 11:02.46 | xored | george: one question. SVN can work through apache/DAV or using svnserve as a "standalone" access, right ? |
| 11:02.56 | george | JamieCope: so you want to run already-compiled java programs? |
| 11:03.13 | JamieCope | no, i want the jdk as well |
| 11:03.21 | JamieCope | so i need both the runtime and the jdk |
| 11:03.25 | cydork | JamieCope: then install sun-java5-jdk |
| 11:03.26 | george | ok, then you want -jdk |
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| 11:03.54 | george | or sdk maybe? |
| 11:03.59 | Anonnymouse | JamieCope: If you run sarge then you will have to make a deb yourself running make-jpkg. If you run testuing/unstable, just search in dselect for sun-java5-jdk |
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| 11:04.30 | george | Anonnymouse: java-package does not support that version |
| 11:04.47 | george | Anonnymouse: unless you know otherwise :)_ |
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| 11:05.05 | george | I have java-package_0.28 |
| 11:05.47 | JamieCope | only 45 MB of packages. the JEE 5.0 on SUN site was 145 MB or so |
| 11:05.47 | george | xored: not sure... I use arch |
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| 11:05.58 | Anonnymouse | george: java-[package does not support java 5? It did the last time I tried it (with sun-java 1.5_08) |
| 11:06.22 | xored | george: never heared of it. Better than SVN ? |
| 11:06.40 | Anonnymouse | java-package This package provides the capability to create a debian package from a Java(TM) 2 distribution by just running make-jpkg <filename>. |
| 11:06.42 | ilf | without bad intent, what's taking packaging so long? especially ff2? http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/firefox.html |
| 11:06.48 | Anonnymouse | Sun Microsystems(TM) 1.4 and 1.5 Standard Edition |
| 11:07.57 | george | xored: much more extensive, different concept |
| 11:08.04 | abchirk | äää |
| 11:08.10 | abchirk | !ops Mehmet |
| 11:08.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: Mehmet |
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| 11:08.25 | Anonnymouse | ilf: Didn't they have to make a new version (iceweasel) because of licensing issues? |
| 11:08.26 | peterS | whowhat |
| 11:08.28 | george | Anonnymouse: what version do you have? |
| 11:08.38 | Anonnymouse | george: of... |
| 11:08.45 | george | java-package |
| 11:09.10 | ilf | Anonnymouse: yes, but that's "just" a name change. iceweasel 2.0 itself is not packaged either. and there will be a transition package "firefox" depending on iceweasel. |
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| 11:09.21 | seth1246 | I repartitioned my hard drive using qtparted. After repartitioning debian install disks don't even recognize the hard drive (says I possible don't have proper driver for hard drive). Hard drive was recognized fine by install disks before repartining and my first partition (ntfs) - I never repartitioned. |
| 11:09.30 | seth1246 | What could have happened? |
| 11:09.51 | Anonnymouse | George: latest for testin/unstable is 0.28 |
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| 11:10.04 | george | Anonnymouse: yeah, that's what I got |
| 11:10.06 | RichiH | Abdominal: thanks, plese include onjoin spam in the message next time :) |
| 11:10.25 | abchirk | rgr |
| 11:10.26 | george | it installed fine on a sarge |
| 11:10.27 | RichiH | erm |
| 11:10.27 | RichiH | abchirk |
| 11:10.31 | Anonnymouse | george, but why don't u just use the debian packaged java? Its all ready to run if you are running testing/unstable. |
| 11:10.40 | george | I'm not |
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| 11:10.59 | Anonnymouse | so download the bin file from sun and make your own with make-jpkg |
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| 11:11.16 | george | sarge sarge sarge sarge wonderful sarge, elegant sarge sarge sarge... |
| 11:11.33 | george | ok, I'll try |
| 11:11.43 | JamieCope | is there any difference between Java EE 5 and this sun-java5-jdk package? |
| 11:12.06 | wols | EE jas some shit you don't need unless you do J2EE dev |
| 11:12.09 | george | JamieCope: where did you find that download exactly |
| 11:12.38 | george | like beans, servlets, stuff like that |
| 11:12.39 | JamieCope | http://java.sun.com/javaee/downloads/index.jsp |
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| 11:13.45 | JamieCope | so if i need servlets what should i do? |
| 11:13.54 | JamieCope | is there some EE package for etch too? |
| 11:14.12 | dockane | hi.. i just thought it would be a good idea to backup all the config files i edited since installation. is there a way compare the checksums of the local config files with the defauklt one which come with the installation of package? |
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| 11:15.15 | cydork | dockane: man debsums |
| 11:16.09 | dockane | cydork: 100 points. thx :) |
| 11:16.39 | cydork | dockane: can i exchange them for beer? :P |
| 11:17.53 | dockane | cydork: come to duesseldorf (west germany) and i will exchange it for an "alt bier" ;) |
| 11:18.33 | JamieCope | so if i need JEE i download that .bin, i install java-package and then create the .deb from the .bin file wiht make-jpkg? |
| 11:18.53 | george | dockane: you can always re-install the packages... |
| 11:19.21 | george | keeping a backup of the files in /etc/ is good thinking |
| 11:19.52 | george | JamieCope: I guess so... which is what I'm going to try too |
| 11:20.56 | george | if you program in java you might want to try netbeans... otoh, you might be just as comfortable in emacs or vi or nano |
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| 11:27.36 | tziku | help, when i type: "ls" or "dir" i have the error: "Segmentation fault" |
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| 11:29.46 | wols | only with ls or other commands too? |
| 11:32.06 | tziku | i quess oly ls and dir |
| 11:32.44 | wols | reinstall ls |
| 11:32.46 | wols | there is no "dir" program |
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| 11:35.13 | tziku | i copy "ls" from backup and same problem |
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| 11:38.17 | xored | i just installed subversion and it works well. Is there any easy way to let apache2 use a svn-project as a htdoc to see a "live preview" of a running web project ( e.g. php or smth ) |
| 11:38.21 | giorgian | hi. xorg fails starting, and, among other things, says: "sh: getconfig: command not found". where is getconfig command? |
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| 11:45.11 | tziku | wols reboot solve the problem :D |
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| 11:46.00 | amphi | tziku: how disturbing |
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| 11:46.31 | tziku | 3.1 stable with 2.6.8-3-686-smp |
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| 11:49.21 | george | giorgian: apt-file |
| 11:50.46 | giorgian | george: apt-file search getconfig gives me no results... |
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| 11:52.15 | wols | packages.debian.org |
| 11:52.40 | wols | tziku: so now the rootkit works flawlessly? |
| 11:52.51 | tziku | hmm...rootkit ? |
| 11:52.59 | wols | !rootkit |
| 11:53.00 | dpkg | rootkit is, like, a set of tools that replace the standard Unix utilities like ls and ps in order to hide certain files and processes from the admin. It is a good thing to have a copy of these tools on disk, but that only helps against the weaker rootkits (that don't modify the kernel in place). |
| 11:53.44 | tziku | i don't install any rootkit |
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| 11:53.54 | fs-a | hi, if we have a binary and not its source that takes 100% cpu time because of the way it is written, is there a way to force the system to use only say, 80% of the cpu for it (i'm not asking for 'nice'). |
| 11:53.55 | wols | duh! |
| 11:54.00 | cydork | tziku: no one does :) |
| 11:54.21 | ]Gnea[ | fs-a: renice |
| 11:54.24 | wols | cydork: black hats do. just not on their own computers |
| 11:54.31 | fs-a | ]Gnea[: "i'm not asking for nice" |
| 11:54.33 | wols | ]Gnea[: (i'm not asking for 'nice'). |
| 11:54.37 | cydork | wols: yep :) |
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| 11:54.37 | fs-a | :> |
| 11:54.39 | tziku | wols it's my own computer |
| 11:54.42 | ]Gnea[ | fs-a: idiot, i said renice, not nice |
| 11:54.45 | FJ_Sanchez | Hello |
| 11:54.45 | fs-a | lol |
| 11:54.56 | FJ_Sanchez | Any expert with route? |
| 11:55.09 | fs-a | nice value, not nice the bin |
| 11:55.10 | wols | ]Gnea[: what does renice differently than nice? |
| 11:55.29 | ]Gnea[ | wols: it's spelled differently ;) |
| 11:55.36 | dockane | FJ_Sanchez: read man page == expert? |
| 11:55.39 | FJ_Sanchez | I have an entry to access a host through my gw |
| 11:55.47 | FJ_Sanchez | I doubt |
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| 11:55.47 | wols | just like Gnea vs. ]Gnea[? |
| 11:55.59 | wols | that nick change effected more than just your nick it seems :P |
| 11:56.07 | FJ_Sanchez | I'd like to use this host as gateway for other net |
| 11:56.32 | ]Gnea[ | fs-a: you could simply not run it... |
| 11:56.34 | FJ_Sanchez | If I define this in my interfaces file it says network unreachable |
| 11:56.49 | fs-a | ]Gnea[: your help is appreciated, thx:p |
| 11:57.02 | wols | fs-a: I oncehad the same need. all I found was some ungodly big VMware ESX or GSX version |
| 11:57.12 | george | FJ_Sanchez: do you also put the network up? |
| 11:57.21 | FJ_Sanchez | sure |
| 11:57.24 | ]Gnea[ | fs-a: but seriously, other than nice and not running it, there really isn't a way to change the way it chews up system resources |
| 11:57.35 | fs-a | wols: id need it for performance, a big game is what gets 100% cpu |
| 11:57.35 | wols | FJ_Sanchez: I still don't get what you want to do, and I doubt anyone else does |
| 11:57.43 | FJ_Sanchez | I have an entry to access a host through my gw |
| 11:57.48 | FJ_Sanchez | ok? |
| 11:57.55 | FJ_Sanchez | I'd like to use this host as gateway for other net |
| 11:57.58 | george | (just editing interfaces isn't sufficient to put up the interface) |
| 11:57.59 | FJ_Sanchez | A different one |
| 11:58.00 | wols | fs-a: I know. I wanted to run the same game twice, each having 50%. no way |
| 11:58.05 | fs-a | why do people have to always assume on irc what someone asks is NOT what they want? |
| 11:58.07 | ]Gnea[ | FJ_Sanchez: you've already stated that, please do not repeat. |
| 11:58.09 | ]Gnea[ | !repeat |
| 11:58.09 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:58.10 | fs-a | i don't ask for 'nice' ffs |
| 11:58.16 | FJ_Sanchez | george: I did /etc/init.d/networkinfg restart |
| 11:58.31 | george | ok, and then saw your interface up? |
| 11:58.31 | ]Gnea[ | fs-a: because you're not stating anything else? |
| 11:58.47 | wols | FJ_Sanchez: you still don't eplain yourself clearly. and repeating what you said earlier doesn't help either |
| 11:58.51 | FJ_Sanchez | Yes, I see that |
| 11:59.05 | george | ok... what is this net? |
| 11:59.10 | fs-a | ]Gnea[: why do you insist on answering what someone doesn't ask |
| 11:59.17 | fs-a | i know of nice and renice, thx |
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| 11:59.20 | fs-a | i dont ask for it |
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| 11:59.44 | ]Gnea[ | fs-a: why do you insist on asking a question that you've obviously already answered for yourself? |
| 12:00.01 | fs-a | i did? i don't know how to run a binary i don |
| 12:00.02 | wols | fs-a: there is no way afaik. but if you DO find one by chance, please let me know |
| 12:00.06 | FJ_Sanchez | Well, I'll try again |
| 12:00.09 | wols | ]Gnea[: he didn't. you misunderstood him |
| 12:00.15 | fs-a | i did? i don't know how to run a binary i don't have its source that takes 100% cpu for less cpu. |
| 12:00.26 | FJ_Sanchez | I have my computer with IP 172.16.2.237 |
| 12:00.44 | george | ok |
| 12:00.44 | FJ_Sanchez | I'll try later |
| 12:00.48 | FJ_Sanchez | Now i have to go |
| 12:00.49 | fs-a | wols: id be a nice feature imo if a scheduler could do it. anyway. |
| 12:00.50 | FJ_Sanchez | Thx anyway |
| 12:00.52 | FJ_Sanchez | bye |
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| 12:01.12 | wols | fs-a: I think so too, but... |
| 12:01.25 | tziku | wols can you help me please i have the same problem with "Segmentation fault" at "chown" |
| 12:01.37 | george | I -don't- like being treated badly like that when I'm not getting paid WELL |
| 12:01.38 | ]Gnea[ | fs-a: sorry, it's impossible to help you if you insist on being vague. |
| 12:01.53 | wols | tziku: no I can't |
| 12:01.54 | ]Gnea[ | 'scheduler' <- yeah, which one? |
| 12:02.12 | ]Gnea[ | 'binary with no source' <- yeah, which one? |
| 12:02.29 | wols | ]Gnea[: simoply, an arbitrary app needs to run at constantly ~50% of cpu. renice won't help since it will make the app very choppy |
| 12:02.47 | wols | the idea is to run 2 apps of the same kind which insist to grab 100% of available CPU |
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| 12:02.55 | Assid | err.. how do i reset te ssh keys of the sshd ? |
| 12:02.58 | wols | but they should each get only around 50% |
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| 12:03.35 | ]Gnea[ | wols: so then he needs more cpu and ram |
| 12:03.50 | wols | not gonna happen. an dt has nothing to do with RAM |
| 12:04.01 | wols | the app could run with half the megahurtzage fine |
| 12:04.11 | wols | it just insists on 100% if it can |
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| 12:04.48 | ]Gnea[ | well, until he says what the name of the app is, he ain't gonna get help |
| 12:05.04 | fs-a | it's quake3 of idsoftware, what difference does it make |
| 12:05.07 | wols | ]Gnea[: I'd need it for WINE |
| 12:05.26 | rambo3 | cpu_idle |
| 12:05.27 | ]Gnea[ | oh, plenty of difference. |
| 12:05.35 | ]Gnea[ | dude, i used to run quake3 all the time in linux |
| 12:05.48 | ]Gnea[ | are you trying to run the server or the client? |
| 12:06.24 | fs-a | both, with the low latency sheduler, 'nice' being -20 on the server still lags other players |
| 12:06.28 | wols | rambo3: cpu_idle does not exist in debian. I don't think some idle prgram would help since the point is the comp is not really idle |
| 12:06.40 | fs-a | the server scheduler helps 'nice' more, but i don't want to use it |
| 12:07.14 | fs-a | even with the server sheduler though and server on -20 i think it gets choppy to others still |
| 12:07.25 | ]Gnea[ | fs-a: what cpu/ram do you have on it? yes, this matters. |
| 12:07.33 | rambo3 | i was just guessing the name of program |
| 12:07.49 | fs-a | if you hack gpl quake3 and make it take less than 100% cpu and then both server and client get less that 100, then other players play fine |
| 12:08.07 | rambo3 | and dont say it doesnt exist |
| 12:08.07 | ]Gnea[ | so you're using a hacked quake3 binary? |
| 12:08.10 | fs-a | ]Gnea[: 1.7ghz, 1.5gb |
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| 12:08.22 | ]Gnea[ | fs-a: how many players are you allowing on? |
| 12:08.35 | fs-a | ]Gnea[: only if it's gpl q3 can be hacked easily, id's can't easily |
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| 12:08.51 | fs-a | ]Gnea[: i don't think those question have much to do with it |
| 12:09.15 | wols | fs-a: each player increases load |
| 12:09.17 | wols | so it has |
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| 12:09.26 | wols | and it also matters if it's a P4 or athlon |
| 12:09.28 | fs-a | ye i know, i mean it still lags for 1 or 20 |
| 12:09.41 | ]Gnea[ | fs-a: the more you fight, the more time this will take and the less likely that it'll even work. |
| 12:09.57 | fs-a | the low latency sheduler makes it lot choppy whatever the nice of the server |
| 12:10.08 | george | why not offer him a service contract, get his billing address and bill him |
| 12:10.09 | fs-a | the server scheduler bit better but still not perfect |
| 12:10.16 | ]Gnea[ | fs-a: just answer the bloody question already |
| 12:10.25 | george | if he wants to be uncooperative, he can damn well PAY. |
| 12:10.40 | ]Gnea[ | yeah, good point |
| 12:10.45 | fs-a | lol he just asks questions ive been asked before |
| 12:10.48 | fs-a | why waste time |
| 12:10.57 | fs-a | ye |
| 12:11.11 | ]Gnea[ | good |
| 12:11.25 | ]Gnea[ | what an idiot. he deserves to live in lag-hell. :) |
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| 12:12.53 | JamieCope | why i java in the non-free repository while it is all free software? |
| 12:13.08 | ]Gnea[ | JamieCope: not all java is free software. |
| 12:13.24 | JamieCope | yes but the JDK is, isnt it? |
| 12:13.29 | fanne | what I find very odd is that he said "such program doesn't exist on debian" |
| 12:13.48 | ]Gnea[ | JamieCope: not in the same sense.... you'll need to use the java-package to install it |
| 12:13.51 | ]Gnea[ | !java-package |
| 12:13.51 | dpkg | i guess java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 12:14.14 | cydork | JamieCope: java is not open source yet. |
| 12:14.16 | george | oops forgot the fakefoot! |
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| 12:14.48 | cydork | ]Gnea[: not on testing. you can install it directly |
| 12:15.30 | george | JamieCope: were you able to build the package? |
| 12:15.47 | wols | ]Gnea[: so answer my question please. 2x WINE, each 50% CPU |
| 12:15.59 | JamieCope | george, no i was away, and haven't tried. i don't need to use servlets yet |
| 12:16.04 | ]Gnea[ | wols: system resource shortage. |
| 12:16.12 | JamieCope | the JDK works fine |
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| 12:16.14 | wols | ]Gnea[: wrong |
| 12:16.32 | ]Gnea[ | wols: who the hell runs quake3 in wine? |
| 12:16.41 | wols | I didn't say anything about Q3 |
| 12:16.45 | ]Gnea[ | and then whines about it? :) |
| 12:17.02 | wols | it's MY problem here, not fs-a's |
| 12:17.17 | wols | I need to run WINE which in turn runs a windows |
| 12:17.19 | ]Gnea[ | oh ok. uhm, i don't know. |
| 12:17.20 | wols | each 50% CPU |
| 12:17.49 | JamieCope | george, you use NetBeans? |
| 12:18.39 | wols | hmmm... qemu can run windows right? with ~10% less speed? |
| 12:19.18 | cydork | wols: it can run at higher speed with kqemu. |
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| 12:22.02 | wols | whatever. speed is not really an issue. limiting the CPU used is :) |
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| 12:22.46 | Trewas | wols: did you check if cpulimit (package) works for you? I don't know how it implements limiting, so it may not be good enough for interactive programs |
| 12:23.12 | wols | thx |
| 12:23.15 | Blastur | Hey! I'm looking for something similar to fail2ban (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/fail2ban) that exists in the Stable repository. I need something that allows me to detect and stop/prevent SSH bruteforce attacks coming from multiple IPs |
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| 12:23.36 | cydork | !info denyhosts sarge |
| 12:23.40 | wols | Trewas: if it would run at 25Hz it would be good enough |
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| 12:25.44 | Trewas | wols: I meant that it may be too "choppy" if it does the limiting the naive way, by sending STOP and CONT periodically to the process |
| 12:26.50 | wols | well, the program I run runs internally at 25Hz, so if cpulimit runs at 25 or better it might work |
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| 12:28.30 | derek[] | Hi |
| 12:28.34 | derek[] | I have the basic net-install |
| 12:28.43 | Blastur | cydork: denyhosts is not available in sarge |
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| 12:29.16 | cydork | Blastur: yep i was checking that. |
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| 12:31.37 | Blastur | how can I determine if my sshd is configured with tcp_wrappers? |
| 12:31.39 | fs-a | wols: only for 2.4 unfortunately http://www.tls-technologies.com/CPU/cpu-download.html |
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| 12:32.35 | derek_ | sorry, I got disconnected. |
| 12:32.36 | wols | I can live with that I think |
| 12:32.47 | wols | sata might make a bit of a fuss, but no worries :) |
| 12:32.48 | derek_ | I have the base from the net-install CD. Now how do I proceed? I have an internet connection available through LAN. |
| 12:32.57 | derek_ | (I have the Gateway and DNS) |
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| 12:33.09 | thyko | how do i install all packages including the 'recomended' ones from the command line? |
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| 12:33.32 | Althaser | how can I add something to debian menu or menu-xdg ? please |
| 12:33.47 | thyko | any ideas? |
| 12:33.54 | wols | !any idea |
| 12:33.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 rabid hamsters. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 12:34.37 | wols | derek_: then put some debian mirror in your sources.list apt-get update and then install what you like |
| 12:34.53 | wols | apt-spy or apt-setup could maybe help you with setting up sources.list |
| 12:34.56 | thyko | dpkg: mmm ... let me see what i can do |
| 12:35.08 | derek_ | wols, but won't I have to configure the network settings to be able to access the internet first? |
| 12:35.16 | thyko | !apt-get |
| 12:35.17 | dpkg | apt-get is probably "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 12:35.22 | wols | derek_: I thought you had internet already? |
| 12:35.25 | derek_ | like provide the correct Gateway and DNS, etc. |
| 12:35.35 | cydork | !tell derek_ -about interfaces |
| 12:35.42 | wols | derek_: do you use DHCP or static IPs in your network? |
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| 12:35.56 | wols | if DHCP, the install should have taken care of it all. otherwise: /etc/network/interfaces it is |
| 12:36.12 | derek_ | we have IPs like 192.68.1.2 etc. |
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| 12:36.34 | derek_ | *168 |
| 12:36.34 | wols | derek_: that's not what I asked |
| 12:36.35 | cydork | derek_: didn't you setup anything while installing? |
| 12:36.42 | derek_ | cydork, no. |
| 12:37.16 | wols | derek_: derek_ /sbin/ifconfig|grep inet |
| 12:37.20 | wols | what does it say? |
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| 12:38.09 | thyko | !aptitude |
| 12:38.10 | dpkg | aptitude is probably a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
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| 12:38.45 | CAiRO | how can i install php4 and php5 in parallel? i have a server with virtual hosts and i only want to change them one by one to php5 to check if there are any errors etc. |
| 12:39.35 | xored | CAiRO: thats not easy at all. You must run one as cgi and one as apache module |
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| 12:40.39 | CAiRO | xored: hmm, is there any better way to handle this? i don't think it's a good idea to upgrade all of the sites at once |
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| 12:42.27 | derek_tmp | damn |
| 12:42.31 | derek_tmp | >.< bad connection |
| 12:42.38 | derek_tmp | <derek_> wols, I don't know technically what type of IPs we use . So I told you an example of the IP so that you could help |
| 12:42.39 | derek_tmp | * Disconnected (). |
| 12:43.10 | wols | derek_: /sbin/ifconfig|grep inet what does it say? |
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| 12:44.08 | xored | CAiRO: there is mode_rewrite but then you have to differ by the extensions. Its not handy at all right no |
| 12:44.28 | CAiRO | hmm, pitty, i wanted to use mediawiki which requires php5 |
| 12:44.36 | CAiRO | and i have sites using phpbb which requires php4 |
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| 12:52.43 | *** topic/#debian is lilo: http://freenode.net/news.shtml | 3.1r3: /msg dpkg sarge 3.1r3 | STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 12:52.47 | wols | tziku: reinstall debian |
| 12:53.01 | wols | seish: use kernel 2.6.18 |
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| 12:53.14 | streuner | tziku: show us in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 12:53.15 | wols | seish: all users of late intel chipsets have this problem |
| 12:53.35 | streuner | apt, hi |
| 12:53.35 | apt | bonjour, streuner |
| 12:53.48 | seish | my 2.6 kernel mapped my harddrive as sda |
| 12:53.51 | seish | and it was hda |
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| 12:53.56 | seish | on 2.4 |
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| 12:54.03 | seish | but I dont know where the cdroms are |
| 12:54.26 | Blastur | if I add stuff to hosts.deny, do i need to reload some service for it to apply? |
| 12:54.32 | wols | seish: what chipset do you have? |
| 12:54.43 | wols | from 2.6 on many SATA chipsets are /dev/sda |
| 12:54.45 | wols | that'S ok |
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| 12:54.49 | seish | wols: thx, should I log a 386 kernel before I compile a 2.6.18 kernel? I seem to have trobule booting custom kernels on deb |
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| 12:55.03 | wols | seish: what chipset do you have? |
| 12:55.12 | seish | p4 |
| 12:55.19 | wols | there is no such chipset |
| 12:55.26 | seish | intel |
| 12:55.32 | wols | which one exactly? |
| 12:55.52 | wols | there is a backports kernel for 2.6.18 for sarge IIRC |
| 12:55.53 | wols | !backports |
| 12:55.54 | dpkg | i guess backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 12:55.56 | seish | in fstab both my cdroms are /dev/hdc & /dev/hdd |
| 12:56.09 | seish | and worked on 2.4 |
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| 12:57.07 | seish | well i have the repositories for testing and stable |
| 12:57.21 | seish | ill check for the package thx |
| 12:57.22 | wols | that's another error |
| 12:57.24 | wols | !bobbitt |
| 12:57.25 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 12:57.33 | seish | by chipset do you mean my mainboard btw? |
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| 12:57.51 | wols | I mean the chipset on your mainboard |
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| 12:58.09 | tziku | streuner: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4334 |
| 12:58.12 | seish | im on a 2.6.16 kernel i686 |
| 12:58.15 | iLLf8d | night all |
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| 12:58.53 | seish | dpkg: thx for ze links |
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| 12:59.04 | fs-a | wols: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/5/26/11 |
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| 12:59.45 | chjunior | hi guys |
| 13:00.01 | chjunior | i'm having a error when trying to start Xorg server |
| 13:00.22 | chjunior | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 13:00.31 | chjunior | somebody knows something about it? |
| 13:00.35 | ]Gnea[ | !xorg7 |
| 13:00.35 | dpkg | Find some solutions at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 in order to fix problems from 6.9 to 7 |
| 13:00.43 | seish | ah |
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| 13:00.45 | ]Gnea[ | chjunior: yeah, it's discussed there ^^^ |
| 13:01.25 | seish | chjunior: just copy the fonts in the directory where xorg.conf is looking in |
| 13:01.26 | chjunior | thanks :D |
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| 13:02.34 | MarkH_UK | hi all |
| 13:02.41 | MarkH_UK | anyone help with NTP problem? |
| 13:02.42 | ]Gnea[ | seish: uh, no. |
| 13:02.50 | MarkH_UK | trying to get a NTP server setup on our network |
| 13:03.02 | MarkH_UK | but the windows clients can sync to the linux NTP on the local network |
| 13:03.06 | eggleston | does anyone know the first thing about connecting to a TI-83 Graphics calculator? |
| 13:03.09 | ]Gnea[ | MarkH_UK: is it listening? |
| 13:03.16 | MarkH_UK | ]Gnea[ how can I check? |
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| 13:03.20 | ]Gnea[ | eggleston: buy one. |
| 13:03.30 | ]Gnea[ | MarkH_UK: netstat |
| 13:03.39 | seish | ]Gnea[: well that's how I fixed my "default fonts 'fixed'" problem |
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| 13:03.59 | ]Gnea[ | seish: did you physically cp the files over? |
| 13:04.13 | MarkH_UK | service is started |
| 13:04.17 | seish | ]Gnea[: I think I linked them |
| 13:04.22 | MarkH_UK | but cant see anything with a basic "netstat" |
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| 13:04.38 | seish | ]Gnea[: nah, i copied them. is it bad? |
| 13:04.43 | ]Gnea[ | seish: that's still not a proper debian method. it will only lead to problems later on. |
| 13:04.44 | MarkH_UK | ]Gnea[ any ideas? |
| 13:04.49 | eggleston | ]Gnea[, thanks dude, lol. nah but seruiously, got any hints on how to transfer files to one? |
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| 13:04.57 | seish | ]Gnea[: should I link them instead? |
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| 13:05.14 | ]Gnea[ | eggleston: try searching apt-cache for the ti83 |
| 13:05.27 | MarkH_UK | ]Gnea[ any ideas? |
| 13:05.30 | ]Gnea[ | seish: no, you should go to the webpage and follow the directions there |
| 13:05.33 | ]Gnea[ | !xorg7 |
| 13:05.33 | dpkg | Find some solutions at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 in order to fix problems from 6.9 to 7 |
| 13:05.58 | ]Gnea[ | MarkH_UK: you just asked me that, and since you've seen fit to badger me twice like that, no, i have no ideas. |
| 13:06.28 | MarkH_UK | hmmm |
| 13:06.28 | MarkH_UK | ok be a fucking cunt then |
| 13:06.28 | MarkH_UK | wanker |
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| 13:06.41 | ]Gnea[ | lol |
| 13:06.43 | jahshua | hehe |
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| 13:09.36 | tziku | can i trust http://www.rootkit.nl/projects/rootkit_hunter.html as rootkit cleaner ? |
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| 13:10.23 | chjunior | guys, the tip on the wiki didn't work for me =/ |
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| 13:10.31 | chjunior | my X keep with the same error |
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| 13:12.13 | ]Gnea[ | chjunior: try apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 13:13.17 | chjunior | ]Gnea[ installing :D |
| 13:13.23 | chjunior | ]Gnea[ thanks |
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| 13:14.20 | ]Gnea[ | chjunior: cheers |
| 13:14.47 | seish | ]Gnea[: thx, fixed |
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| 13:16.35 | ]Gnea[ | !beer seish |
| 13:16.49 | chjunior | ]Gnea[ well.... now the X started, but, in KDE, none text appears..... the K-Menu for example, appears just the icons on the menu items... |
| 13:17.15 | ]Gnea[ | chjunior: not sure... try #debian-kde |
| 13:17.18 | seish | 3:D |
| 13:17.29 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, it is an error in libcairo, |
| 13:17.37 | N3m3SYS | i have the same |
| 13:17.41 | N3m3SYS | switch on antialiasing |
| 13:17.42 | chjunior | N3m3SYS what did you do? |
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| 13:18.02 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, i have switched on antialiasing, |
| 13:18.15 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, i have read it somewhere, but it is not complete solution |
| 13:18.34 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, and upgrade libcairo, but i hope, will be repaired soon |
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| 13:18.45 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, it is in gtk apps too |
| 13:19.03 | chjunior | N3m3SYS, I did a apt-get upgrade / dist-upgrade.... |
| 13:19.19 | chjunior | I don't think that there is a upgrade for libcairo now =/ |
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| 13:19.40 | chjunior | N3m3SYS, sorry for the newbie question, but where do I switch on the antialiasing |
| 13:19.41 | chjunior | ? |
| 13:19.53 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, no there is not,but hope will be, |
| 13:20.22 | chjunior | N3m3SYS, oh, I see |
| 13:20.24 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, it is not newbie question :) it is the else in win managers, which do you preffer? |
| 13:20.31 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, i have xfce |
| 13:20.54 | chjunior | N3m3SYS, I have kde..... I tryed to switch on in nvidia-settings |
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| 13:21.27 | Hal9000 | hi! |
| 13:21.39 | chjunior | N3m3SYS but didn't work |
| 13:22.07 | ]Gnea[ | chjunior: doesn't kde have a switch in the display configuration for antialiasing internally? |
| 13:22.18 | ]Gnea[ | it's been awhile since i used kde :} |
| 13:22.20 | chjunior | ]Gnea[ let me see |
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| 13:22.47 | Hal9000 | i have a hardware raid controller, and just set up a mirrored array built out of a brand new hard drive and an identical drive with data on it (os etc)... now i guess i need to "rebuild" the array to propagate the data from the full disk to the new one? how can i make sure i dont mirror the empty drive onto the full one? that would suck :P |
| 13:24.16 | nevyn | Hal9000: umm most hardware raid controllers completely re-initialise the disks to initialise the array |
| 13:24.27 | ]Gnea[ | Hal9000: what hw raid controller? |
| 13:24.28 | Hal9000 | ouch |
| 13:24.34 | Assid | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.37 | Hal9000 | its an nvidia nforce4 raid controller |
| 13:24.42 | Assid | which module am i supposed to load? |
| 13:24.43 | hoarycripple | how can I change the font in a vga text terminal? (not X) |
| 13:24.45 | nevyn | yeah that'd do that. |
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| 13:24.56 | ]Gnea[ | backups are your friend |
| 13:24.56 | bartden | how can i change console's foreground color (font color) ? |
| 13:25.22 | ]Gnea[ | svgatextmode |
| 13:25.33 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, try http://www.suse.de/~mfabian/suse-cjk/fonts-xft-fontconfig.html |
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| 13:26.12 | nevyn | Hal9000: you might be able to initialise the array with the new disk.. |
| 13:26.19 | nevyn | in degraded mode.. |
| 13:26.24 | nevyn | then copy the data on. |
| 13:26.38 | Hal9000 | oh i see |
| 13:26.40 | nevyn | then add the old disk nuking the old copy of the data and adding it to the array |
| 13:26.56 | nevyn | might |
| 13:27.10 | Hal9000 | i guess i should do some data backup before doing this :p |
| 13:27.16 | nevyn | reallly yes |
| 13:27.33 | hoarycripple | ]Gnea[, thanks alot |
| 13:27.52 | cahoot | Assid: alread tried sensors-detect? |
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| 13:28.19 | Assid | well.. the default kernel(of redhat) doesnt catch it.. im recompiling it now from source |
| 13:28.24 | ]Gnea[ | hoarycripple: cheers |
| 13:29.10 | mac|gyver | I know update-rc.d, but is there a way to show what is started when? |
| 13:29.34 | nevyn | Assid: you realise that breaks your suport aggreement right? |
| 13:29.39 | gambakufu | is sarge still the recommended release for desktop users? |
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| 13:30.05 | cahoot | gambakufu: for those that ask yes |
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| 13:31.24 | chjunior | N3m3SYS ]Gnea[ : the antialiasing is on :( |
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| 13:32.29 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, nothing is solved? i didnt solve it too, but some people did, so we must wait for a corrected version |
| 13:32.43 | rambo3 | i installed mysql on debian woody and i get no mysqld ony /usr/bin/mysql . and when i try to start it i get error 2002 cannot connect to socket. /etc/mysql/my.cf is ok |
| 13:33.07 | chjunior | N3m3SYS, and until there? what should I do? :'( I got to work =/ |
| 13:33.41 | chjunior | rambo3 you should install mysql-server |
| 13:33.52 | rambo3 | i did |
| 13:33.56 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, possibly you can compile a new version of libcairo by your own, but i do not know it can be solved, im a programmer, it is a great problem for me too |
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| 13:34.21 | rambo3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:34.53 | chjunior | rambo3 /etc/init.d/mysql start |
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| 13:35.19 | rambo3 | i just told you there is no such file |
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| 13:36.20 | FernandoMM | Hello, i have a working dhcpd server on a debian machine which have this range 192.168.0.50 192.168.0.100. When the first machine enter it gets an ip like random ips (example: 192.168.0.62, 192.168.0.95). My question, is there a way to make the ips assigned get ordered as 192.168.0.50, 192.168.0.51, 192.168.0.52 etc? |
| 13:36.58 | rambo3 | sry i got it , i just had to reconfigure it |
| 13:37.03 | chjunior | anybody else knows some solution? |
| 13:37.11 | chjunior | ]Gnea[ well.... now the X started, but, in KDE, none text appears..... the K-Menu for example, appears just the icons on the menu items... |
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| 13:37.20 | chjunior | sorry ]Gnea[ |
| 13:37.26 | ]Gnea[ | :) |
| 13:37.33 | chjunior | in KDE, none text appears..... the K-Menu for example, appears just the icons on the menu items... |
| 13:37.40 | Empiric_ | hai any one works on openvpn in debian |
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| 13:42.19 | PumpkinPie | I can do that |
| 13:42.42 | chjunior | PumpkinPie... hehehehe, thanks ;) |
| 13:43.11 | PumpkinPie | and let me know if you need me to take your money |
| 13:43.38 | chjunior | PumpkinPie hahahhaha, sure!!! |
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| 13:45.38 | eggleston | im trying to compile a program and it's telling me my version of GTK is not new enough, is there a newer stable release out there that would be worth upgrading to? |
| 13:45.41 | Bhavesh | Empiric_: ask what type of problem you are having may be someone will answer it |
| 13:46.03 | Empiric_ | well i do it |
| 13:46.17 | Empiric_ | i was asking abt how i create certificates in debian |
| 13:46.22 | Empiric_ | its done |
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| 13:47.41 | iturk | hi there i have follow this link in order to install windows fonts in my ubuntu -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto !! Now in Gaim when some user try to talk to me i only see chinesse characters !! What happen ??? |
| 13:47.45 | eggleston | i just compiled 4 different support packages for this software, because of a minor bug fix that was messing with me, and now for the new version ti's asking me to update GTK or something. but there's like 400 packages called gtk something, so which should i try to update!? |
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| 13:50.20 | chjunior | N3m3SYS man! I have no console at X!! |
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| 13:53.04 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, you have to have a console emulator o X |
| 13:53.32 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, look into the menu or somewhere, it is used to named like konsole kterm etc. |
| 13:53.51 | chjunior | N3m3SYS I have it, but the text don't appear |
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| 13:54.48 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, yeah, for me too, im sorry, dont know what to do with it :( |
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| 13:55.14 | Stevie[FP] | w00t! I did it |
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| 13:56.25 | chjunior | N3m3SYS no problem, i'm just relieving |
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| 14:00.54 | chjunior | N3m3SYS does it happens to you too? sometimes when I roll the mouse over something that is without text, the text appear |
| 14:00.55 | phpnuborn | anyone here use a debian VPS/VDS and willing to help me a rush task (ie. no go read this or read that) ? |
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| 14:01.19 | SlayerXP | phpnuborn: what's a VPS or VDS? |
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| 14:01.55 | phpnuborn | virtual private/deciated server |
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| 14:02.14 | N3m3SYS | chjunior, yes, that is the same problem, hope for soon solution |
| 14:02.16 | pelzi_ | !ask |
| 14:02.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:02.17 | SlayerXP | phpnuborn: I have a suggestion: ask your actual question. |
| 14:02.22 | abrotman | phpnuborn: really ask a question |
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| 14:02.30 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 14:02.33 | phpnuborn | the guy i rented it from calls it a vps.. some others call it vds |
| 14:02.38 | chjunior | N3m3SYS did you try to remove Xorg and install it again? |
| 14:02.53 | chjunior | N3m3SYS from apt |
| 14:03.02 | rindolf | How do I purge the no-longer-installed .deb's from /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 14:03.10 | SlayerXP | rindolf: apt-get autoclean |
| 14:03.18 | rindolf | SlayerXP: thanks. |
| 14:03.49 | Shinomura | Anybody can send me a good linux tutorial? |
| 14:04.07 | petemc | Shinomura: might as well ask for a tutorial on searching the internet too... |
| 14:04.23 | phpnuborn | i want to let my brother have the same root access i do.. how do i clone my setup.. with adduser i'm guessing.. once thats done how i verify its was done.. |
| 14:04.36 | rindolf | SlayerXP: is it safe to run "apt-get clean" as well? |
| 14:04.37 | keyboarder | is thereh some way to match with regexp the numbers > 500 ? |
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| 14:05.54 | rindolf | keyboarder: yes. |
| 14:06.01 | keyboarder | and how? |
| 14:06.01 | keyboarder | :] |
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| 14:06.42 | rindolf | keyboarder: (?:[5-9]\d\d)|(?:\d{4,}) |
| 14:07.01 | keyboarder | ah thx |
| 14:07.08 | keyboarder | | = or? |
| 14:07.13 | keyboarder | never know ;-) |
| 14:07.28 | rindolf | keyboarder: yes, | is alternation. |
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| 14:08.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: wanna try the new gnustep live cd? |
| 14:09.07 | roby | I'm going to purchase a USB audio mixer, want to use audacity on debian with USB support. Will sarge stable do me fine or will I have to pick-up etch? |
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| 14:10.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: not at work :) |
| 14:10.43 | Empiric_ | what this is for in openvpn in debain |
| 14:10.44 | Empiric_ | distcc |
| 14:10.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: download and burn it there? |
| 14:10.53 | Empiric_ | any one know abt distcc |
| 14:11.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have better intarweb speed at home :) |
| 14:11.24 | rindolf | So is apt-get clean safe to use? |
| 14:11.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:11.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok then.. |
| 14:11.48 | djmadness | Hi, i had installed usplash and remove it along with installing bootsplash, but when i try and remove sysv-rc-bootsplash i get an error, is there any way i can fool dpkg into thinking it is removed ? |
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| 14:12.49 | Bhavesh | good morning |
| 14:13.09 | Bhavesh | abrotman: do you even have a job? |
| 14:13.15 | l33t1 | anyone like that? http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5261/1001320so8.jpg and out side? http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4425/1001455yq8.jpg |
| 14:13.44 | abrotman | Bhavesh: yes |
| 14:14.08 | Bhavesh | wow.. that's a surprise :) considering how much time you spend helping everyone .. do you get your work done? :) |
| 14:14.13 | phpnuborn | i want to let my brother have the same root access i do.. how do i clone my setup.. with adduser i'm guessing.. once thats done how i verify its was done.. |
| 14:16.25 | xorllu | how can i remove this proftpd error =>"error setting IPV6_V6ONLY: Protocol not available" (from proftpd.log) |
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| 14:18.08 | SlayerXP | xorllu: using the magic power of google, I found the answer to your question in under 15 seconds. |
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| 14:19.29 | xorllu | SlayerXP, i not found answer under 1 hour :( please tell me, this magic keyword... |
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| 14:20.46 | SlayerXP | xorllu: I used "proftpd IPV6_V6ONLY". tell me, why exactly did _you_ try searching for? |
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| 14:20.57 | SlayerXP | s/why/what/ |
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| 14:21.59 | xorllu | SlayerXP, i use full error code "error setting IPV6_V6ONLY: Protocol not available" + proftpd |
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| 14:22.47 | phpnuborn | how do i make debian's man use less instead of more? |
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| 14:25.22 | phpnuborn | 'less' instead of 'more' so i can page back when i use man |
| 14:25.46 | nevyn | phpnuborn: export PAGER=less |
| 14:25.48 | phpnuborn | thats why i don't use man as often.. |
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| 14:26.01 | phpnuborn | ok... |
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| 14:26.30 | Empiric_ | hai i need to install squint on debian |
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| 14:27.34 | nevyn | squint? |
| 14:28.32 | SlayerXP | squid proxy log analyser |
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| 15:02.07 | cyzie | qailer, all 10 video files ? i tested those video files on other pc, it is fine there |
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| 15:02.49 | qailer | cyzie, ok :), (wasn't sure you'ld tested many), wasn't ment as an insult ;) |
| 15:02.52 | aViciousEnemy | chemaja, yea well i'll probably be running debian in 6 months the way you evangelise on it, fanboy ;) |
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| 15:03.19 | aViciousEnemy | chemaja, heh |
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| 15:03.23 | qailer | cyzie, I'm not very sure, I remember having this problem before to |
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| 15:04.05 | aViciousEnemy | aViciousEnemy, we'll start you on Sarge/Stable |
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| 15:04.57 | aViciousEnemy | aViciousEnemy, i want sid you bastard |
| 15:04.59 | cyzie | qailer, can u try remember hard? :( it's very irritating that u can play mp3 but not video files. it's even insulting that rmvb play fines :( |
| 15:05.01 | abrotman | Bhavesh: yes .. i get me work done |
| 15:05.01 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:05.02 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:05.03 | abrotman | my work |
| 15:05.11 | philiKON | i want to downgrade my python from 2.4.4c0 (which has a bug) to 2.4.3. I tried apt-get install python=2.4.3-11, but it says "already installed the newest version". any pointers? |
| 15:05.31 | Braindead | philiKON: http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:06.10 | Bhavesh | abrotman: mind if i ask what do you do? |
| 15:06.28 | philiKON | Braindead, do i have to point my whole distro to that, or do i just get python 2.4.3 from there? |
| 15:06.34 | abrotman | Bhavesh: msg ? |
| 15:06.48 | qailer | cyzie, trying :) |
| 15:06.53 | abrotman | bah . . you're not ID'ed to FN |
| 15:07.47 | phpnuborn | so ls doesn't have a search from / and all subdirs to find <filename> like DOS dir /a/s \<filename> ? |
| 15:08.30 | Fox | phpnuborn: use find |
| 15:09.03 | phpnuborn | in *nix find is for files.. not a filter? |
| 15:09.09 | cyzie | qailer, please :(.... now skype didn thave sound too :( |
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| 15:09.49 | qailer | cyzie, which mixer are you using? |
| 15:09.51 | Braindead | philiKON: just read what's written on the web page. |
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| 15:10.30 | Fox | phpnuborn: what do you want to do ? |
| 15:10.34 | philiKON | Braindead, thx |
| 15:10.36 | cyzie | qailer, how do i check what mixer am i using ? |
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| 15:11.19 | SerajewelKS | since when is povray non-free? |
| 15:11.29 | helmut | Hi. Can I somehow start two gdms on two ttys? |
| 15:11.43 | SerajewelKS | helmut: yes |
| 15:12.00 | helmut | SerajewelKS: I didn't find out how in /usr/shared/doc/gdm nor using google, can you help me? |
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| 15:12.32 | qailer | cyzie, well most probably you are using alsa, in terminal try alsamixer |
| 15:12.37 | SerajewelKS | helmut: can't you just use the "new login" option from gnome to start new displays on demand? |
| 15:12.40 | cyzie | qailer, if im not mistaken, xfce mixer |
| 15:12.46 | helmut | SerajewelKS: I don't have gnome |
| 15:13.02 | cyzie | qailer, alsamixer launch in terminal |
| 15:13.45 | SerajewelKS | helmut: well, i'm not sure then but i recall some GUI app in gnome that will let you set that up |
| 15:14.01 | qailer | cyzie, yep and look in the left/up corner if you're sound card is printed there |
| 15:14.23 | qailer | cyzie: car: you're_card |
| 15:14.26 | qailer | card* |
| 15:14.48 | cyzie | │ Card: NVidia nForce2 │ |
| 15:14.48 | cyzie | │ Chip: Realtek ALC650F |
| 15:15.08 | qailer | cyzie, is that what you intend to use? |
| 15:15.30 | cyzie | qailer, !!!!!! |
| 15:15.33 | cyzie | u know what i do ?!?!!? |
| 15:15.44 | cyzie | u talk to me about the mixer |
| 15:15.49 | cyzie | then i click the mixer |
| 15:15.55 | helmut | SerajewelKS: well, I don't really need a gui, I'd just need to know which file to edit. |
| 15:16.21 | cyzie | there are 2 devices, 1 is default, another one is nvidia nforce2, selected was nvidia, then i switch back to default |
| 15:16.24 | cyzie | now got sound :D |
| 15:16.27 | cyzie | XD |
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| 15:16.51 | qailer | cyzie, ok, that's good :) |
| 15:17.14 | cyzie | qailer, i dont understand why |
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| 15:17.19 | SerajewelKS | helmut: maybe google knows? |
| 15:17.22 | cyzie | though this work |
| 15:17.25 | fasta | !u |
| 15:17.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:17.28 | qailer | cyzie, why you got to soundcards? |
| 15:17.33 | cyzie | qailer, is this the way u fix last time ? |
| 15:17.39 | cyzie | qailer, ? |
| 15:17.46 | qailer | cyzie, now this wasn't a fix really :) |
| 15:18.25 | cyzie | heheheh |
| 15:18.26 | cyzie | ok |
| 15:18.29 | cyzie | i dont know why though |
| 15:18.31 | qailer | cyzie, no, I missed some packages |
| 15:18.32 | cyzie | but it work |
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| 15:18.46 | cyzie | ahh okay |
| 15:19.17 | helmut | SerajewelKS: yeah. searching for gdm gdm.conf and servers looks better. thanks. |
| 15:19.21 | cyzie | can i use 2 sounds app at the same time ? |
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| 15:19.39 | qailer | cyzie, there should be no problem |
| 15:19.53 | cyzie | qailer, i cant watch movie and listen to mp3 at the same time |
| 15:19.59 | cyzie | it got error |
| 15:20.09 | qailer | cyzie, what error? |
| 15:20.17 | cyzie | qailer, pasted u in PM |
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| 15:21.01 | d0uglas | hi. when i plug into my office lan, it adds some samba-looking line into my resolv.conf, "search blah.domain" .. resolving names had been slow until i noticed that and got rid of it, leaving the two nameserver ips. how can i get it to stop adding it without chmodding it -w as i want to be able to say hi to other dhcpds on other networks? |
| 15:21.10 | qailer | cyzie: PM ? |
| 15:21.19 | cyzie | Private Message |
| 15:21.48 | qailer | cyzie, never heard that short before :) |
| 15:22.03 | nevyn | d0uglas: umm the blah.domain is being provided by the dhcp server |
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| 15:22.22 | d0uglas | yeah but it just causes problems and i'm not in need of samba |
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| 15:22.36 | cyzie | qailer, heh.. so how to enable 2 sounds app can play sounds? |
| 15:22.49 | jolson | how do I roll back libcairo2 to 1.2.0-4? I can't find it in any repository, a recent upgrade decided to break my non AA fonts |
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| 15:23.09 | qailer | cyzie, I got no idea of you're problem, what is the error? |
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| 15:23.41 | qailer | (bad english excuse me) |
| 15:23.42 | cyzie | i have pasted u in private message |
| 15:23.45 | cyzie | did u receive ? |
| 15:23.52 | qailer | cyzie: nope |
| 15:24.00 | cyzie | ok |
| 15:24.06 | cyzie | i think only registered user can PM |
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| 15:24.35 | qailer | cyzie, pastebin? |
| 15:24.58 | cyzie | qailer, it just a normal error |
| 15:25.26 | fasta | Oh, right a "normal error". |
| 15:25.30 | cyzie | qailer, like "could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound |
| 15:25.36 | qailer | I don't think I can help you with the error but I can't do nothing at all without it :) |
| 15:25.38 | avr | hello, has anybody ever done an installation on a dell poweredge 6850? the machine i have has 1 single-core xeon *and* Quad single-core xeons. which kernel goes in? x86_64 or emt64t-smp? |
| 15:25.45 | cyzie | that is the error for mpalyer when i play song in xmms |
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| 15:25.59 | fasta | cyzie: I think I know your problem. |
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| 15:26.10 | fasta | cyzie: you had a nforce2 board, right? |
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| 15:26.20 | cyzie | fasta, yes |
| 15:26.24 | fasta | !tell cyzie about sound |
| 15:26.47 | fasta | cyzie: did you already read that? |
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| 15:27.01 | fasta | cyzie: and then you need to decide whether you want alsa or OSS. |
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| 15:27.34 | fasta | cyzie: you probably want alsa, since I am quite likely the only person with support for OSS for a modern linux kernel, since nvidia has given up on it. |
| 15:27.47 | fasta | cyzie: did you already install alsa? |
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| 15:28.21 | qailer | fasta: you seem to know sound much better than me, take him :) good luch cyzie |
| 15:28.29 | qailer | luck* |
| 15:28.33 | cyzie | faste yes, alsa installed |
| 15:28.42 | fasta | cyzie: ok, and what else did you do? |
| 15:28.44 | cyzie | qailer, help me too ? please? |
| 15:28.52 | cyzie | fasta, i do nothing |
| 15:29.16 | fasta | cyzie: ok, one moment. I will look up the right dpkg incantation. |
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| 15:29.40 | cyzie | thank you fasta |
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| 15:30.04 | fasta | cyzie: did you see that command? |
| 15:30.22 | cyzie | what command ? |
| 15:30.30 | fasta | cyzie: (you should be able to receive private messages) |
| 15:30.41 | fasta | cyzie: I had dpkg send you a message. |
| 15:30.50 | cyzie | fasta, i yet to register :( |
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| 15:30.59 | fasta | cyzie: ok, then in the channel. |
| 15:31.02 | cyzie | i mean register my nick in freenode |
| 15:31.04 | cyzie | thanks |
| 15:31.11 | fasta | !alsa oneliner |
| 15:31.22 | fasta | !alsa one-liner |
| 15:31.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 15:31.58 | cyzie | ok |
| 15:31.58 | fasta | cyzie: alsaconf is especially important since you need to select your audio device there. |
| 15:32.00 | cyzie | thanks |
| 15:32.01 | cyzie | i tried |
| 15:32.13 | fasta | cyzie: what exactly did you do? |
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| 15:32.44 | cyzie | fasta, nothing much |
| 15:32.53 | cyzie | fasta, i select different devices in the xmms adn mplayer |
| 15:32.55 | cyzie | it work now ;) |
| 15:33.12 | clemente | hi all! |
| 15:33.20 | fasta | cyzie: ok, well, ok. Good for you. |
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| 15:33.31 | clemente | Can anyone point me, how to realize a high availability filesystem with ext3? do really have to umount the fs for fsck? |
| 15:33.47 | cyzie | qailer, fasta, thanks. now, another problem :( sound related as well. im wondering why my mic wont work |
| 15:33.59 | fasta | cyzie: define "work" |
| 15:34.09 | cyzie | when i speak in my mic |
| 15:34.12 | cyzie | no sounds in my speaker |
| 15:34.20 | fasta | cyzie: maybe you need to unmute the mic? |
| 15:34.34 | qailer | cyzie, yes |
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| 15:35.59 | fasta | cyzie: I actually never tried to connect my mic, so if that doesn't work, you would need to find another victim to answer your question, or read the manual. |
| 15:36.03 | cyzie | fasta, it is unmuted, in fact, i boost it by 20decibels |
| 15:36.24 | cyzie | fasta, victim ? :( |
| 15:36.27 | cydork | clemente: you have to umount the fs. |
| 15:36.32 | fasta | cyzie: ok, so it's unmuted and it still doesn't produce sound? |
| 15:36.33 | Pntkl | hello |
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| 15:36.56 | cyzie | yes, no sound |
| 15:37.02 | fasta | cyzie: did you put it in the right hole? |
| 15:37.10 | clemente | cydork: thank you... is fsck safe, if the partition is mounted ro? |
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| 15:37.31 | cyzie | fasta, yes right h0le ::D |
| 15:37.47 | fasta | cyzie: did you power the computer? ;) |
| 15:37.54 | fasta | cyzie: no, that was a stupid joke. |
| 15:37.58 | cyzie | fasta, no |
| 15:37.59 | cyzie | LOL |
| 15:38.23 | fasta | cyzie: hmm, how do you test whether it's working? |
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| 15:38.34 | cydork | clemente: nope it's not safe. |
| 15:38.54 | andrownz | has anybody managed to get remote control work with bluetooth? |
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| 15:39.16 | cyzie | fasta, enable 20DB boost and bring up the bar in the mixer for mic ? |
| 15:39.18 | erchache | hi |
| 15:39.22 | clemente | cydork: so there is no chance to fix a running root partition? |
| 15:39.22 | fasta | cyzie: I will get my mic too, and get it right here. If you register, we can solve it together. |
| 15:39.23 | erchache | im on debian amd64 etch |
| 15:39.23 | cyzie | then speak / sing using yoru mic ? |
| 15:39.31 | erchache | and has retained packages |
| 15:39.35 | erchache | how i can install it? |
| 15:39.36 | fasta | cyzie: ok, that sounds good. |
| 15:39.44 | erchache | apt-get --force upgrade |
| 15:39.47 | erchache | :-S |
| 15:39.48 | cyzie | fasta, actually this nick was registered by me. but i forgotten the password :( |
| 15:39.48 | d0uglas | sheesh 101MB for oo? hot damn |
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| 15:40.51 | erchache | uhmmm |
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| 15:41.01 | d0uglas | is there a startx flag to dodge a screen session and fire up or do i have to exist screen? |
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| 15:41.04 | erchache | i see i change country on my source.list |
| 15:41.13 | erchache | and this retain certains packages |
| 15:41.13 | d0uglas | s/exist/exit |
| 15:41.22 | erchache | need make a apt-get dist-upgrade to solve it? :-S |
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| 15:43.48 | Anon58488 | hi, how can i use TOP to find out what is using the most amount of memory? |
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| 15:43.57 | cydork | Anon58488: yes |
| 15:44.03 | Anon58488 | i said how |
| 15:44.03 | Anon58488 | =\ |
| 15:44.04 | fasta | Anon58488: you read the manual |
| 15:44.04 | cydork | Anon58488: press ? |
| 15:44.09 | cydork | :) |
| 15:44.09 | stew | Anon58488: hit M |
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| 15:44.22 | cydork | stew: aww :P |
| 15:44.35 | d0uglas | Anon58488: press F, yo |
| 15:44.48 | d0uglas | you can sort by *anything* you want. |
| 15:44.59 | d0uglas | highly advanced debian zero day technology |
| 15:45.02 | SerajewelKS | Anon58488: but note that the % of mem usage does not take into memory pages shared between forked processes |
| 15:45.09 | cyzie | fasta, any luck ? hehe |
| 15:45.11 | Anon58488 | well this is messed up |
| 15:45.17 | Anon58488 | well gotta check if im being dos'd then |
| 15:45.19 | Anon58488 | tahnks |
| 15:45.37 | fasta | cyzie: I am using OSS, so I need to find out the application that controls the levels or maybe it doesn't even exist. |
| 15:45.37 | Ronin | whats makes you think you are Anon58488? |
| 15:45.39 | SerajewelKS | Anon58488: e.g. amarok has five processes using 4% of my RAM but altogether they're probably using about 5%, not 20% |
| 15:45.56 | Anon58488 | no i have 14KB out of 2 GB left of free ram |
| 15:46.07 | SerajewelKS | Anon58488: yes, probably the disk cache |
| 15:46.15 | Ronin | Anon58488: so? unused ram is waister ram |
| 15:46.22 | Anon58488 | swap is all used up too |
| 15:46.26 | SerajewelKS | Anon58488: type "free" and look at the line "+/- cache" |
| 15:46.32 | Ronin | waisted even, ahh swap too |
| 15:46.40 | Anon58488 | cache has 300MB |
| 15:46.53 | SerajewelKS | Anon58488: so you have 300mb ram free |
| 15:46.54 | Anon58488 | i assume that's fine, but the server's laggy as hell even though the server load is 3.28 |
| 15:46.56 | cyzie | ok fasta |
| 15:47.07 | SerajewelKS | Anon58488: "free" as in "not used by programs but used by linux for the I/O cache" |
| 15:47.15 | cyzie | fasta, confirm it is in the correct hole, have refer to the manual and double check on the insertion there |
| 15:47.35 | SerajewelKS | Anon58488: maybe a memory leak? check top and restart the service using all the ram? |
| 15:47.39 | fasta | cyzie: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30076.html might solve your problem |
| 15:47.52 | SerajewelKS | Anon58488: remembering of course about possible shared pages in forking servers |
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| 15:48.18 | cyzie | thanks fasta |
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| 15:49.01 | fasta | Where do I need to look to get OSS mic working? Or how can I test whether it in fact already is working? |
| 15:49.20 | SerajewelKS | fasta: man record |
| 15:49.36 | Anon58488 | restarting apache fixed it |
| 15:49.37 | SerajewelKS | fasta: err, man rec |
| 15:49.39 | Anon58488 | but only for a short while |
| 15:49.53 | SerajewelKS | Anon58488: could be a dos then, check /var/log/apache2/access.log |
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| 15:50.19 | SerajewelKS | Anon58488: if someone is requesting the same page over and over block their IP with iptables |
| 15:50.45 | SerajewelKS | Anon58488: if it's different IPs then you just need a newer box =) |
| 15:50.54 | Anon58488 | i just bought this server |
| 15:50.56 | Anon58488 | >=[ |
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| 15:51.23 | fasta | SerajewelKS: Thanks, it already magically works. |
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| 15:51.58 | SerajewelKS | fasta: =) |
| 15:52.02 | fasta | SerajewelKS: do you know of a more advanced application I can use to transform my voice to something funny? |
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| 15:52.23 | SerajewelKS | fasta: audacity |
| 15:52.53 | fasta | Debian is so nice. :) |
| 15:53.23 | balony | it's ok |
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| 15:53.36 | Anon58488 | http://server2.mapletip.com/phpsysinfo/ |
| 15:53.41 | Anon58488 | don't tell me that this server sucks |
| 15:53.41 | Anon58488 | =[' |
| 15:54.44 | SerajewelKS | Anon58488: depends on how much traffic it gets |
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| 15:55.16 | SerajewelKS | wols___: ping |
| 15:55.36 | Anon58488 | well the traffic is pretty heavy |
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| 15:56.11 | SerajewelKS | still doesn't look too bad |
| 15:56.22 | SerajewelKS | more RAM may help if the load isn't that high |
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| 15:57.55 | Anon58488 | more ram eh |
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| 15:58.18 | SerajewelKS | or a faster NIC if that's being saturated =) |
| 15:58.28 | Anon58488 | well it's acting up again |
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| 15:58.52 | Anon58488 | hm i think i need to defrag it, that's all |
| 15:58.58 | Anon58488 | any ideas what a good defragger is? |
| 15:59.38 | Ronin | defragger? dont think we have any actually |
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| 16:00.20 | SerajewelKS | ext doesn't need to be defragged |
| 16:00.27 | fasta | SerajewelKS: hmm, audacity is pretty nice. Thanks |
| 16:00.45 | fasta | cyzie: does your mic already work? |
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| 16:00.50 | SerajewelKS | fasta: np |
| 16:01.21 | cyzie | fasta, no |
| 16:01.22 | cyzie | :( |
| 16:01.33 | Anon58488 | well it's only using high mem when rsync is syncing the server |
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| 16:01.46 | ALVAN | hi all |
| 16:01.48 | ALVAN | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:02.37 | fasta | cyzie: hmm, given the amount of information you are giving, I cannot help you further. |
| 16:02.40 | Anon58488 | i doubt there is any |
| 16:02.49 | abrotman | ALVAN: in windows ? |
| 16:02.53 | SerajewelKS | ALVAN: maybe there's something that will use jabber |
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| 16:03.55 | SerajewelKS | ALVAN: i know that nagios will send email |
| 16:03.59 | Skiver | !java |
| 16:03.59 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 16:04.11 | SerajewelKS | ALVAN: if it hits a your yahoo account messenger should notify you |
| 16:04.22 | SerajewelKS | ALVAN: it may have a jabber notification mechanism too |
| 16:04.28 | ALVAN | SerajewelKS, some other people said about nagios ok thanks i will look into it |
| 16:04.28 | ayaa | i want to install a light pc station that will be an internet navigation station (firefox), what distribution would you suggest me ? |
| 16:04.42 | abrotman | uhm .. debian ? |
| 16:04.49 | abrotman | try asking ##linux |
| 16:04.51 | Anon58488 | um |
| 16:04.55 | Anon58488 | you'll get a biased answer here |
| 16:05.00 | Bhavesh | debian with minimul software packages |
| 16:05.02 | Anon58488 | this is #debian |
| 16:05.12 | Anon58488 | go to #fedora and they'll say fedora |
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| 16:06.18 | fasta | Fedora is the best! Oops, wrong channel.... |
| 16:06.47 | ayaa | i want to install a light pc station that will be an internet navigation station (firefox), what distribution would you suggest me ? |
| 16:07.06 | FlopsyPete | is the Sarge kernel-image package for 32bit Intel Xeon 2.4b the '686' one for Pentium 4, because this CPU used to be called 'Pentium 4 Xeon'? |
| 16:07.13 | fasta | ayaa: you are rude and are not following netiquette |
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| 16:08.05 | ayaa | fasta, it's for industrial use, the station will only navigate on a web application |
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| 16:08.34 | enouf | ayaa: google linux kiosk |
| 16:08.52 | cyzie | fasta, thanks anyway :) |
| 16:08.58 | fasta | ayaa: that has nothing to do with the fact that you ask the same question twice within two minutes. |
| 16:09.11 | abrotman | ayaa: ask ##linux .. we're going to suggest Debian .. this is #debian |
| 16:09.11 | cyzie | brb |
| 16:09.11 | fasta | cyzie: sorry, it didn't help. Good luck |
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| 16:10.41 | enouf | FlopsyPete: the 686 denotes all Pentium optimizations from the P-Pro through the P4 |
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| 16:11.01 | sandman | enouf: Really? |
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| 16:11.19 | enouf | sandman: that;s the rough answer .. yes |
| 16:11.33 | FlopsyPete | enouf: great, thanks. (it would be useful if it said 'Xeon too' in the package description, I've not had a Xeon before so didn't know it was based on the P4) |
| 16:11.34 | wouterl | debian will have mono in the next release, will there be issues regarding MS C#/CLI patents? |
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| 16:12.27 | sandman | enouf: Well, -march/-mtune will include -m flags that optimize for a particular architecture, but doesn't -mcpu change the order of the code a bit? This way it's compatible (-mcpu), but it'll run faster on the architecture it has been ordered for? |
| 16:12.55 | enouf | FlopsyPete: yes .. Xeon is P4 architecture .. the IA64 is not .. that's itanium |
| 16:13.24 | sandman | enouf: Ah nevermind, I'm coming up with an overengineered solution to a nonproblem |
| 16:13.45 | sandman | enouf: If it's even a solution at all... anyway. |
| 16:14.23 | SerajewelKS | wouterl: no |
| 16:14.42 | SerajewelKS | wouterl: MS has granted novell patent immunity, which extends to "novell's customers" |
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| 16:15.58 | Loise | hellooo |
| 16:16.03 | cyzie | qailer, fasta it work now :D |
| 16:16.21 | avr | hi, i have a kernel-related question (which i asked a while earlier but got no response): i have a poweredge 6850 whose specs say that it has 1 single core xeon and a quad core xeon as 'additional processor'. which kernel should go in? 686-smp or em64t-smp or something else? |
| 16:16.28 | qailer | fasta: good work :) |
| 16:16.31 | wouterl | SerajewelKS: but, debian isn't a novel customer... and how can novel grant the GPL licence if they can only protect their own users |
| 16:16.44 | Loise | Does anybody knows how to change screen configuration on Ubuntu? ...please!! |
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| 16:17.05 | enouf | sandman: not to disagree .. as i haven't been that current on the actual specifics lately .. but yeah .. there can/are certain optimizations/customizations in general one can compile into the kernel if one desires .. such as settings for certain CPU flags (I may have not stated that precisely - my thoughts are scattered atm) -- but yeah, you stated nicely how it's a bit much for what was asked :-) |
| 16:17.05 | wouterl | Loise, see ubuntu channel please |
| 16:17.08 | pickcoder | Loise: #ubuntu is a better place to ask that |
| 16:17.15 | qailer | Louise: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html :) |
| 16:17.21 | SerajewelKS | wouterl: anyone who uses mono is a customer |
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| 16:17.54 | Loise | Wouterl: thanks..its called just [ubuntu]? |
| 16:18.04 | wouterl | #ubuntu |
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| 16:18.37 | SerajewelKS | wouterl: i'm not sure how it all works, all i know is that mono is FOSS and isn't at risk of being sued. at any rate, if debian thinks it's a problem we can omit the MS-proprietary stuff. |
| 16:18.52 | pickcoder | avr: 686 |
| 16:19.27 | SerajewelKS | wouterl: like ADO.NET and winforms. the framework, CLS, CLI, and CLR are all standardized IIRC and therefore are open for anyone to use. |
| 16:19.36 | wouterl | so if I understand this correct: MS and Novel have a deal on patents, Novel can make mono, debian can use mono because of gpl and the deal between MS and Novel ? |
| 16:19.55 | Loise | Thanks qailer...but I was windows user just a week ago..I'm just beginning..not an expert |
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| 16:20.05 | avr | pickcoder: thanks. dont xeons come with 64bit extensions too --- shouldn't i use em64t in that case? |
| 16:20.10 | SerajewelKS | wouterl: no. debian can use the *ms patented* parts because of that deal. mono itself is an implementation of the open standard. |
| 16:20.11 | arkangelp | Hola a todos |
| 16:20.38 | SerajewelKS | wouterl: things like winforms would fall under that agreement. mono itself does not even require such an agreement. |
| 16:20.50 | pickcoder | avr: that's the first I've heard of it |
| 16:21.06 | wouterl | SerajewelKS, ok thanks for the information, I was just a bit worried |
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| 16:21.11 | pickcoder | avr: maybe ask in #kernel |
| 16:21.22 | SerajewelKS | wouterl: so if you are using mono and gtk# only then no deals are required. if you start using ADO.NET then you would fall under the blanket license that MS has given novell since you are a "customer" |
| 16:21.33 | amc | dudes.. one fast question.. i've just installed xsnow, but what's the command for starting it? |
| 16:21.39 | qailer | Loise, I'm cool :) just fun how the question was put if you read the link |
| 16:22.10 | cydork | avr: xeon supports amd64 debian |
| 16:22.15 | SerajewelKS | wouterl: i'm not sure if this agreement is DFSG-free, so winforms might move into nonfree or something. but right now it's in main FWIW. |
| 16:22.41 | Loise | ok..thanks anyway to both...I'm on the search |
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| 16:23.15 | Bhavesh | amc: how about xsnow ? |
| 16:23.46 | SerajewelKS | amc: dpkg -L xsnow #will dump the list of files in the package |
| 16:23.48 | amc | hm.. lol. why i can't start it with root |
| 16:23.53 | karsten | SerajewelKS: IIRC winforms _used_ to not be DFSG free, possibly a problem w/ using GPLd and non-GPLd code. This relates to Lyx? |
| 16:23.56 | pickcoder | cydork: hmm. interesting. I've never run a Xeon, but it's always good to know tidbits. |
| 16:24.04 | pickcoder | cydork: Opteron's are my thing.. |
| 16:24.11 | amc | ok.. whatever.. thanks anyway |
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| 16:24.38 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i'm not sure. i think the concern is that SWF isn't standardized, so the API is copyrighted. though that may fall under the DMCA interoperability clause. |
| 16:24.40 | karsten | cydork: 64-bit Xeon can, at any rate. |
| 16:24.41 | pickcoder | amc: man xsnow ? |
| 16:24.47 | cydork | pickcoder: there is more info on the wiki. /msg dpkg amd64 Or use http://vihang007.googlepages.com/debian.html :P |
| 16:24.54 | SerajewelKS | karsten: this is why IANAL. it's too complicated for me... |
| 16:25.13 | karsten | SerajewelKS: IIRC winforms was a widget class or something used by one of the Lyx variants. |
| 16:25.27 | karsten | SerajewelKS: It's nothing to do with MS Windows AFAIK. |
| 16:25.36 | SerajewelKS | karsten: lyx? |
| 16:25.52 | cydork | karsten: yep, been on holidays? :P |
| 16:25.53 | SerajewelKS | karsten: are we talking about mono's System.Windows.Forms here? |
| 16:25.58 | karsten | SerajewelKS: WYSINWYG LaTeX editor. |
| 16:26.04 | karsten | cydork: Working too much. |
| 16:26.15 | SerajewelKS | karsten: how is that related to winforms at all? |
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| 16:26.48 | avr | cydork: oh, so i should just get x86_64-smp? |
| 16:26.59 | karsten | SerajewelKS: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/07/147223&from=rss |
| 16:27.19 | Bhavesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.26 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Specifically: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=138577&cid=11597232 |
| 16:27.33 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ... or google lyx winforms |
| 16:27.34 | Bhavesh | cydork: = cyber dork? |
| 16:27.35 | Bhavesh | :) |
| 16:27.40 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Hazy recollections |
| 16:28.01 | cahoot | xforms? |
| 16:28.11 | karsten | cydork: Hrm. Maybe. |
| 16:28.30 | SerajewelKS | karsten: using the winforms API IIRC isn't a problem. it's implementing it that's the reason for the patent deal. |
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| 16:28.46 | SerajewelKS | karsten: linking with a library, and being the library are different. |
| 16:28.47 | karsten | SerajewelKS: NM, I'm probably hopelessly confused here. |
| 16:28.53 | SerajewelKS | karsten: yeah me too |
| 16:29.13 | cydork | Bhavesh: hehe .. |
| 16:29.31 | SerajewelKS | karsten: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=138577&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=11598025#11599912 |
| 16:29.37 | SerajewelKS | karsten: that may be informative here |
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| 16:29.42 | Bhavesh | hey that's what i think about when I see your nick :) |
| 16:29.48 | cydork | avr: you should check if it's 64bit or not. |
| 16:29.50 | Bhavesh | cydork: no offense |
| 16:30.20 | pickcoder | avr: there is an amd64 port of Debian |
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| 16:30.58 | SerajewelKS | karsten, wouterl: http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing#Could_patents_be_used_to_completely_disable_Mono.3F <-- too |
| 16:31.00 | avr | quit |
| 16:32.08 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Ye olde "the problem with Mono is that it paints a gaping patent infringment target all over Linux" argument? |
| 16:32.44 | karsten | SerajewelKS: I've seen that one a long time back, suspect there's some meat to it. |
| 16:32.47 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ... though MSFT are really the ones to say. |
| 16:32.52 | SerajewelKS | karsten: yes but again, if debian just moves all of the nonstandard parts into nonfree or refuses to distribute them entirely, debian is safe. |
| 16:33.10 | SerajewelKS | karsten: and things like gtk# will still be available. |
| 16:33.15 | karsten | Largely, yes. |
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| 16:33.44 | PupenoR_ | Do you know of some program to monitor links between servers ? basically I need a constant ping and the hability to see when some server was unreachable and the average delay by minute or hour or something like that. I have a client complaining about our VoIP solution but he hired the cheapests ISPs and they suck (2s delays are common). |
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| 16:33.51 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i suspect that ADO.NET will be the biggest hole if this is done. DB access is pretty central to web apps. though again ASP.NET is one of those shady areas too. |
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| 16:34.30 | karsten | PupenoR_: You're looking for an HA (high availability) solution. Nagios, heartbeat, or even simple stuff like fping or wmhostmon can do the job. |
| 16:34.43 | dn4 | Does anyone know a good program I can use to make videos? |
| 16:34.48 | dn4 | video editing |
| 16:34.48 | karsten | PupenoR_: VOIP and poor QoS pretty much sux0rs. |
| 16:34.50 | SerajewelKS | karsten: so at the least we would have a dev tool for writing desktop apps, worst case no ADO, ASP, ar winforms (which would suck for people trying to move to linux but need to use windows .NET apps). |
| 16:34.54 | karsten | dn4: kino |
| 16:35.04 | PupenoR_ | karsten: not really HA, I just want to have data to back up my claim. |
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| 16:35.35 | PupenoR_ | karsten: indeed. We don't mind some connections, but we have daily downtimes of one hour or so. |
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| 16:35.53 | SerajewelKS | karsten: but microsoft seems to be encouraging mono. whether that's so .NET spreads or so they can sue later who knows. i wouldn't put it past MS to be all happy about mono so they can sue the shit out of major linux distros down the line. =) |
| 16:36.02 | karsten | PupenoR_: I'd start at Nagios. |
| 16:36.09 | cbr | when will debian finally have firefox 2.0? |
| 16:36.27 | karsten | PupenoR_: And a good book: http://www.amazon.com/Scalable-Internet-Architectures-Developers-Library/dp/067232699X |
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| 16:36.37 | karsten | !tell cbr about iceweasel |
| 16:36.39 | PupenoR_ | karsten: thank you. |
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| 16:36.42 | SerajewelKS | cbr: you mean iceweasel? |
| 16:36.44 | karsten | cbr: When it's packaged. |
| 16:36.46 | SerajewelKS | karsten: bah |
| 16:36.50 | SerajewelKS | !lose me |
| 16:36.50 | dpkg | serajewelks: You Lose. |
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| 16:37.11 | karsten | Where's the pending / requests URL for stuff not-yet-packaged? |
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| 16:37.24 | cbr | it's taking awful long to be packaged |
| 16:37.26 | SerajewelKS | !wnpp |
| 16:37.26 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. |
| 16:37.27 | Shadowcat | anybody using a sound blaster live on amd64 here? |
| 16:37.29 | SerajewelKS | karsten: ^^^ |
| 16:37.40 | Shadowcat | for some reason KDE isn't picking up the card |
| 16:37.42 | karsten | cbr: Modulo the iceweasel situation, I'd expect it will be hitting unstable RSN. |
| 16:37.44 | syntaxis | that's not used for stuff that's already in the archive, like Firefox |
| 16:38.06 | SerajewelKS | oh you mean incoming? |
| 16:38.06 | cbr | RSN? |
| 16:38.10 | SerajewelKS | !rsn |
| 16:38.11 | dpkg | i heard rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 16:38.16 | cpl-tnt747 | ok guyz , im tryin to install a DWL650+ wireless PCMCIA , and i need to update the headers with this command and it doesnt wrong can some 1 tell me what im doing wrong ? >>>> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 16:38.36 | karsten | w00t!!! firefox-conkeror: completely keyboard driven Gecko based web browser, 12 days in preparation. |
| 16:38.45 | karsten | http://bugs.debian.org/394566 |
| 16:38.45 | cydork | cpl-tnt747: sudo? are you using debian? |
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| 16:38.58 | cpl-tnt747 | im using ubuntu debian yes |
| 16:39.03 | karsten | !ubuntu |
| 16:39.03 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 16:39.09 | SerajewelKS | karsten: hmm... i already use the keyboard to navigate in FF |
| 16:39.17 | karsten | cpl-tnt747: The correct spelling of "yes" in that context is "no". |
| 16:39.19 | Shadowcat | Ubuntu is NOT debian |
| 16:39.31 | SerajewelKS | karsten: bwahaha |
| 16:39.39 | cpl-tnt747 | ok |
| 16:39.46 | cpl-tnt747 | ubuntu is overloaded ... |
| 16:39.58 | ]Gnea[ | good, then there's someone there who can help you |
| 16:40.04 | cpl-tnt747 | anyone of u had exprience on installing dwl650+ pcmcia card ? |
| 16:40.09 | petemc | its odd that someone using sudo should make someone think its not debian.. |
| 16:40.15 | cpl-tnt747 | not good , no one is availiable |
| 16:40.26 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Hrm. I was thinking that that might be a console-mode Gecko. Looks like it's GUI but hotkey enabled. |
| 16:40.28 | Shadowcat | hmm anyone encountered this before? |
| 16:40.31 | cydork | petemc: nope it's not |
| 16:40.32 | ]Gnea[ | then you'll just have to be patient, or do a google search |
| 16:40.35 | petemc | cydork: yes, it is |
| 16:40.37 | Shadowcat | alsa picks up the card fine, but KDE can't configure the care |
| 16:40.38 | karsten | anapivirtua: Disable your auto-away please |
| 16:40.38 | Shadowcat | card* |
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| 16:40.51 | petemc | cydork: using sudo is common sense |
| 16:40.55 | SerajewelKS | petemc: sudo is always installed on ubuntu. on debian you have to install it manually. (at least d-i doesn't put it on) |
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| 16:41.04 | petemc | SerajewelKS: you think i dont know that? |
| 16:41.09 | karsten | petemc: good call on cydork's part, I was about to say the same. |
| 16:41.31 | karsten | petemc: ... but ubuntu doesn't give a multiuser root login. |
| 16:41.34 | SerajewelKS | petemc: well that's why when you see "sudo" there's a greater chance that it's not debian than it is |
| 16:41.41 | petemc | right, whatever |
| 16:41.47 | petemc | no need to patronise me |
| 16:42.00 | ]Gnea[ | !beer petemc |
| 16:42.13 | SerajewelKS | petemc: i'm not patronizing.. just explaining the logic used by cydork |
| 16:42.16 | petemc | real beer in T minus 15 minutes |
| 16:42.24 | petemc | SerajewelKS: i didnt need it explained to me |
| 16:42.30 | ]Gnea[ | :) |
| 16:42.38 | karsten | petemc: Someone may have. |
| 16:42.43 | petemc | ok.. |
| 16:42.58 | cydork | petemc: sudo is good. but people who use ubuntu use it for everything, they dont know about the proper use |
| 16:43.07 | SerajewelKS | petemc: forgive me for not having a list here of what you do and don't know... =) |
| 16:43.14 | CharminTheMoose | qu |
| 16:43.28 | petemc | SerajewelKS: you dont need a list, im just not a moron |
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| 16:43.48 | pelzi_ | imo sudo is evil |
| 16:43.51 | karsten | SerajewelKS: #3428 is a *total* hoot. |
| 16:43.52 | ]Gnea[ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.53 | linuxfrustrates | is this the right debian channel for installation support? |
| 16:43.54 | ]Gnea[ | awww yeah |
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| 16:43.59 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: only if you smoke crack. |
| 16:44.04 | SerajewelKS | karsten: bwahahaha... wow.. |
| 16:44.07 | karsten | linuxfrustrates: Yep. Ask. |
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| 16:44.24 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i wonder if his mother has seen that item ;) |
| 16:44.33 | cr3 | how can I determine the RSA key fingerprint of my ssh server? |
| 16:44.41 | chjunior | guys, is somebody having problem with Xorg 7? |
| 16:44.51 | CharminTheMoose | question:How do i make sudo not ask me for my password when i type it? |
| 16:44.52 | SerajewelKS | chjunior: nope |
| 16:44.56 | SerajewelKS | !tell chjunior about ask |
| 16:44.59 | karsten | cr3: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 16:44.59 | ]Gnea[ | chjunior: still? |
| 16:45.11 | pelzi_ | sudo makes root access easy, and there's no real security advantage |
| 16:45.16 | karsten | cr3: Or *.pub for the public key, which is likely what you want. |
| 16:45.24 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: how so? |
| 16:45.28 | chjunior | ]Gnea[ , hi.... still that other problem, that the texts don't appear.... including on the K-menu |
| 16:45.36 | karsten | pelzi_: Shush, chile, yo in fo' a mess o' trouble. |
| 16:45.36 | pelzi_ | root access is root access. |
| 16:45.42 | ]Gnea[ | chjunior: did you try #debian-kde? |
| 16:45.51 | chjunior | ]Gnea[ , and then, I wants to know if it is really a problem with libmesa |
| 16:45.52 | roe_ | pelzi_: there is tremendous security advantage, you can give various users PARTIAL super user priviledges with out giving them a # outright |
| 16:45.54 | linuxfrustrates | I'm trying to use the net install disc. When I try to autoconfigure my network, it can't detect the DHCP configuration. I have an onboard network card directly connected to a DSL modem. Any ideas? |
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| 16:45.59 | pelzi_ | nope. |
| 16:46.00 | syntaxis | pelzi_: newbies often don't bother (or forget) to drop root again afterwards |
| 16:46.00 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: that's not a convincing argument. you don't know what you're talking about. |
| 16:46.02 | SerajewelKS | ]Gnea[: e.g. lots of programs have a "shell" command. give sudo to that to someone and you just gave them visudo among other things. |
| 16:46.25 | pelzi_ | that is a false sense of security. most programs used like that in sudo are not secure at all for that. |
| 16:46.35 | ]Gnea[ | SerajewelKS: only if you don't know how to set it up and use it. |
| 16:46.37 | SerajewelKS | the only thing i give in sudo is scripts that don't take arguments |
| 16:46.43 | karsten | SerajewelKS: A well-used sudo at the very least logs who did what, and when, *and* allows for not having (or relying on) a shared root password. |
| 16:46.50 | SerajewelKS | ]Gnea[: sure. a lot of people don't. =) |
| 16:46.54 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: if you don't know how to read a manpage nor how to research, then yes, you are right. |
| 16:47.17 | amphi | ]Gnea[: how many of the 60 days remain? |
| 16:47.19 | SerajewelKS | karsten: yes. but if there's a hole somewhere, which is easier to find than most sysadmins think, then you just gave unrestricted root. |
| 16:47.24 | chjunior | ]Gnea[ the people there don't say nothing.... never |
| 16:47.34 | pelzi_ | well... if you really do it securely, then you could just setuid the program. |
| 16:47.37 | ]Gnea[ | amphi: is your irc client still lagging? |
| 16:47.44 | SerajewelKS | karsten: not saying sudo is bad, but it's got its problems too. just like sharing the root password. |
| 16:47.54 | ]Gnea[ | chjunior: it's the kind of channel where you have to ask your question and then wait |
| 16:47.55 | karsten | SerajewelKS: You *realize* that you're handing out unrestricted root. Which is pretty much the case except for _very_ locked down configurations, which tend to be a pain. |
| 16:47.56 | amphi | ]Gnea[: when was it lagging? |
| 16:48.17 | ]Gnea[ | amphi: why do you want to know? i've already stated the approximate amount of time. |
| 16:48.19 | Shinomura | ahora vuelvo |
| 16:48.25 | chjunior | ]Gnea[ and wait..... wait...... wait..... (have a lunch, take a shower).... wait..... wait.... |
| 16:48.37 | karsten | SerajewelKS: However, the fix is: 1. disable user's sudo access and 2. change root's password (because they may have changed it) 3. check for any stray UID=0 accounts and 4. inventory SUID binaries. |
| 16:48.47 | ]Gnea[ | chjunior: heh, i had to sleep for 8 hours before i could get an answer out of #wireless the other day :) |
| 16:48.53 | SerajewelKS | karsten: again that's why on my servers i only give sudo access to scripts that do something specific and take no arguments. e.g. so users can restart services if necessary. |
| 16:48.53 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ... which gives you pretty good system-wide confidence (not great, but good). |
| 16:49.03 | chjunior | ]Gnea[ hhehehehe |
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| 16:49.13 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ... and in the meantime, people who need to do work can, via their sudo access, without having to wait for new root pass. |
| 16:49.14 | chjunior | ]Gnea[ where are you from? |
| 16:49.25 | ]Gnea[ | chjunior: my mother's womb. you? |
| 16:49.35 | amphi | ]Gnea[: I missed that |
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| 16:49.40 | SerajewelKS | chjunior: he lies, he flew in from mars. |
| 16:49.41 | ]Gnea[ | amphi: oh well. |
| 16:49.41 | karsten | SerajewelKS: If you've got a few hundred folks with admin rights (true at $FIRM) you've got to deal with this. |
| 16:50.01 | karsten | SerajewelKS: You'll need some sane and good auditing systems to ensure system security / integrity anyhow. |
| 16:50.10 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 16:50.13 | SerajewelKS | karsten: yeah, glad i don't work there then |
| 16:50.38 | pelzi_ | but in the end, sudo access isn't usually more secure than telling the root password. |
| 16:50.39 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: if a system has only 3 or 4 users on it that trust each other, sudo is not an issue. |
| 16:50.40 | karsten | SerajewelKS: pelzi_'s arguments that sudo is worthless are bogus. It is a tool with limitations, but it's better than alternatives, particularly globally shared root. |
| 16:50.54 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Well, I get to play with thousand-node clusters. It's got its upsides. |
| 16:50.57 | chjunior | ]Gnea[, what a coincidence! |
| 16:51.03 | pelzi_ | I didn't say it is worthless |
| 16:51.07 | abrotman | lies! |
| 16:51.13 | pelzi_ | but as a replacement for su - it is stupid. |
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| 16:51.22 | abrotman | if we all used DOS .. there'd be no problem ... |
| 16:51.22 | SerajewelKS | karsten: yes that's what i said. it's got its perks and its problems. |
| 16:51.23 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: what would be a smart replacement then? |
| 16:51.25 | karsten | pelzi_: That, child, is where you are *so* wrong. |
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| 16:51.44 | pelzi_ | su - needs no replacement. |
| 16:51.44 | SerajewelKS | karsten: personally i prefer using groups and such |
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| 16:52.00 | chjunior | SerajewelKS huauhaeuhuheaha |
| 16:52.04 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: you've been using linux for how long? |
| 16:52.13 | pelzi_ | since 2001 |
| 16:52.19 | ]Gnea[ | that's it? |
| 16:52.27 | SerajewelKS | karsten: if someone *needs* root for something then chances are good the approach to the problem is wrong. |
| 16:52.31 | karsten | SerajewelKS: system I'm using has LDAP-assigned sudo profiles for different users/groups/systems. |
| 16:52.31 | cr3 | karsten: thanks, but what about the fingerprint, eg 00:00:00... |
| 16:52.34 | pelzi_ | it's 5 years. |
| 16:52.45 | ]Gnea[ | really? |
| 16:52.49 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Sadly, there's a lot of stuff that needs root, particularly if you're delegating system management. |
| 16:52.58 | karsten | cr3: ?? |
| 16:53.09 | karsten | cr3: Um. RTFM. ssh question, right? |
| 16:53.13 | SerajewelKS | karsten: you can't change the group on config files so anyone can edit? |
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| 16:53.28 | SerajewelKS | karsten: or anyone in the group i mean |
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| 16:53.37 | karsten | cr3: IIRC openssl can fingerprint RSA/DSA keys for you. |
| 16:53.43 | pelzi_ | ok |
| 16:53.48 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: are you aware that sudo is not a blanket solution to every system? and nor is su? |
| 16:53.54 | pelzi_ | see you once this discussion is over |
| 16:53.57 | pelzi_ | did I claim so? |
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| 16:54.24 | karsten | SerajewelKS: The ldap configs are on a system with a seperate management domain, and no, I'm not part of that. |
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| 16:54.35 | cr3 | karsten: I'm totally lost though, I'll check out the openssl manpage then |
| 16:54.35 | ]Gnea[ | the way you said it, it sure came across as such. |
| 16:54.40 | SerajewelKS | pelzi_: that's about how long i've been using it. i don't use sudo a lot but it's got its place. |
| 16:54.46 | pelzi_ | you know, the discussion started from the ubuntu way of using sudo as a replacement for a root login |
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| 16:56.14 | karsten | pelzi_: Which is on balance a Good Thing. |
| 16:56.15 | jetx | if anybody cares, linspire5.0 is only a couple minor versions below sarge |
| 16:56.15 | ]Gnea[ | pelzi_: you might as well stop backpeddling now and just admit that you've got a thing or two to learn. |
| 16:56.16 | pelzi_ | like what? |
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| 16:56.16 | cahoot | chjunior: humor in #debian is ajoke |
| 16:56.16 | pelzi_ | matter of taste. |
| 16:56.17 | jetx | but reminds me of knoppix |
| 16:56.17 | karsten | pelzi_: If your point is that sudo can be used poorly, and isn't a total fix, then you're bloviating a well-known and obvious truth. If you're suggesting that 'su -' with a shared root is superior, you're pretty much dead wrong. If you're making a different point, you've been markedly unsuccessful in communicating it. |
| 16:56.17 | pelzi_ | you, on the other hand, might learn to argument in ways that do not go into personal matters. |
| 16:56.23 | ]Gnea[ | i'm sorry, when did this get personal? |
| 16:56.50 | pelzi_ | at the moment someone mentioned my nationality (of which you can't be sure anyway) |
| 16:56.54 | stew | ]Gnea[: it got personal at "admit that you've got a thing or two to learn" |
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| 16:56.59 | stew | lets just drop it and move on |
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| 16:57.03 | ]Gnea[ | oh, and you may want to leearn how to recognize the difference between an argument and a debate. |
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| 16:57.28 | karsten | pelzi_: Google "irony" sometime if you're referring to the Finn crack. |
| 16:57.39 | karsten | pelzi_: Or email linus and ask where he's from. |
| 16:57.44 | pelzi_ | I happen to know that |
| 16:57.54 | jetx | your nationality is human. |
| 16:57.55 | pelzi_ | "irony" on IRC needs to be labeled clearly |
| 16:58.02 | jetx | all else is a lie. |
| 16:58.18 | karsten | !ops change topic to "It's all about irony" for pelzi_ |
| 16:58.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: change topic to "It's all about irony" for pelzi_ |
| 16:58.25 | stew | karsten: don't do that |
| 16:58.28 | jetx | meant to control you and keep you in this cage |
| 16:58.28 | pelzi_ | oh please |
| 16:58.31 | jetx | take the blue pill |
| 16:58.32 | ]Gnea[ | rofl |
| 16:58.47 | karsten | OK, I'll be away for a bit. |
| 16:59.03 | pelzi_ | actually, I have much better things to do than spend time here at all. |
| 16:59.10 | jetx | lies |
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| 16:59.30 | jetx | you have no beer |
| 16:59.36 | ]Gnea[ | i sure don't know |
| 16:59.39 | ]Gnea[ | er, now |
| 16:59.44 | d0uglas | how can i figure out which process is on a certain port? |
| 17:00.02 | karsten | d0uglas: netstat -nplv |
| 17:00.04 | the_mug | :: and these are the days of our lives :: |
| 17:00.06 | d0uglas | nice thanks |
| 17:00.07 | ]Gnea[ | d0uglas: netstat -nap | grep <processname> |
| 17:00.47 | pelzi_ | I have the choice between "/ignore ]Gnea[" and... |
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| 17:01.11 | cydork | huh what happened? |
| 17:01.12 | d0uglas | karsten I get netstat: no support for `AF IPX' on this system and some other similar lines when i -nplv |
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| 17:01.24 | karsten | d0uglas: RTFM and run it as root. |
| 17:01.31 | ]Gnea[ | cydork: just another troll who got caught with his foot in his mouth |
| 17:01.32 | d0uglas | ]Gnea[: i'm trying to grep the port not the process name, don't know the process |
| 17:01.39 | d0uglas | ahh |
| 17:02.03 | karsten | d0uglas: ... and I'm getting the same messages BTW. |
| 17:02.03 | ]Gnea[ | d0uglas: netstat -nap | less |
| 17:02.03 | ]Gnea[ | it's gonna be there somewhere :) |
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| 17:02.35 | d0uglas | ok sweet got it thank you thank you |
| 17:02.59 | ]Gnea[ | cheers |
| 17:03.04 | jetx | like sands through the frickin hourglass baybee |
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| 17:03.17 | slept | how can i use the package tags with apt-cache search ? |
| 17:03.31 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: as root (netstat -wutanp) |
| 17:03.44 | ]Gnea[ | slept: package tags? |
| 17:03.46 | jetx | slept: i don't know but the debtags package may help |
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| 17:04.48 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: (It will tell you what is is in the last column) |
| 17:05.12 | slept | ]Gnea[, the tags which you can see at the end of apt-cache show |
| 17:05.18 | Braindead | slept: stop using plain apt. aptitude is your friend (aptitude-doc-en) especially |
| 17:05.40 | Braindead | aptitude search ~Gmade-of::lang:python |
| 17:05.47 | jetx | he wants the expanded version i guess |
| 17:05.49 | chjunior | Braindead why aptitude is better than "plain apt" |
| 17:05.58 | Braindead | !tell chjunior about apt |
| 17:05.59 | jetx | dselect>* |
| 17:06.00 | Braindead | !tell chjunior about aptitude |
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| 17:06.20 | hoarycripple | what is a good console font for displaying extended characters such as line drawing? |
| 17:06.22 | Braindead | aptitude search ~Ggame::strategy and so on |
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| 17:06.26 | slept | Braindead, i dont trust aptitude sometimes we have different ideas of which packages are not needed and could be removed |
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| 17:06.30 | owl | hi |
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| 17:07.00 | owl | is is somehow possible to make apache2 able to run again, after upgrading and now segfaulting? |
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| 17:07.04 | dareth | Late morning... |
| 17:07.07 | Braindead | slept: he's got his own resolution engine. it works really well,it gives various chances. even the chance to STF and do whataver he's told |
| 17:07.13 | chjunior | Braindead thanks! |
| 17:07.20 | Braindead | aptitude isn't a wild beast to tame,it's a nice complete tool |
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| 17:08.02 | jetx | !worship infocom and dselect |
| 17:08.03 | Braindead | and yes,it's not ncurses-based only and yes,it's flexible |
| 17:08.59 | Braindead | if you use aptitude you'll have higher chances to get laid |
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| 17:09.25 | killown | I have a router and one pc linux conected to router and one pc windows conected to pc linux how I do to share internet with pc windows? |
| 17:09.27 | cydork | Braindead: nope that's not ture :( |
| 17:09.36 | cydork | s/ture/true/ |
| 17:10.04 | Braindead | cydork: they're higher anyway |
| 17:10.13 | ]Gnea[ | killown: connect both pc's to the router |
| 17:10.14 | owl | killown: ever heard about the solution called "switch"? |
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| 17:10.35 | cydork | killown: use nat Or masquerading |
| 17:10.40 | ]Gnea[ | killown: or setup ip masquerading on the linux pc |
| 17:10.40 | Braindead | FREE BEER! now that I got your attention: do really read aptitude-doc-en! </aptitude-advocacy> |
| 17:10.58 | stew | killown: Braindead stop |
| 17:11.01 | stew | err |
| 17:11.03 | stew | Braindead: stop |
| 17:11.11 | jetx | killown: most ppl plug the computers into the router and let the router do nat |
| 17:11.15 | stew | killown: apt-cache show ipmasq |
| 17:11.21 | jetx | if the router supports it |
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| 17:11.22 | ]Gnea[ | good call, i was about to jump all over that |
| 17:11.37 | Braindead | stew: I'm just doing some aptitude advocacy. not promoting tentacle porn and hentai |
| 17:11.48 | ]Gnea[ | jetx: i'm thinking that his definition of router is different |
| 17:11.54 | jetx | yeh |
| 17:12.00 | jetx | modem |
| 17:12.06 | jetx | 2wire maybe |
| 17:12.09 | ]Gnea[ | :) |
| 17:12.11 | ]Gnea[ | hahaha |
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| 17:12.12 | jetx | one rj45 |
| 17:12.24 | jetx | but does wireless |
| 17:12.28 | DanBrwn | how do you search if a module is included in the kernel |
| 17:12.28 | stew | Braindead: i know what you are doing, please stop |
| 17:12.48 | killown | I do iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE already |
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| 17:12.55 | owl | someone has a solution for my problem? |
| 17:12.57 | stew | DanBrwn: grep in /boot/config-$(uname -r) or use "/sbin/modprobe -l" |
| 17:12.57 | jetx | DanBrwn: you can grep /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 17:12.58 | amphi | DanBrwn: modprobe -l | grep module_nae |
| 17:13.03 | wouterl | owl, segfaulting? and when you remove and reinstall it? |
| 17:13.04 | jetx | heh |
| 17:13.07 | Braindead | stew: and btw I already stopped myself with the </closuretag>,but it seems like you're still suffering from lack of sense of humour or of the incontrollable impulse to show your badge "you've got to respect my authority". thanks Eric |
| 17:13.14 | jetx | DanBrwn: same thing 2 diff ways |
| 17:13.25 | owl | wouterl: not yet tried... i just read, that it must be a libapr1-problem... |
| 17:13.27 | stew | Braindead: stop |
| 17:13.36 | owl | well, it occured after upgrading |
| 17:13.37 | jetx | or 3 if the module is loaded |
| 17:13.51 | CharminTheMoose | hey jude.don't be so sad,take sad song and make better |
| 17:13.55 | Braindead | yeah,you got the badge... |
| 17:13.56 | jetx | oh god |
| 17:14.00 | jetx | go away paul |
| 17:14.05 | CharminTheMoose | remember,to let her into your heart |
| 17:14.08 | jetx | paul CharminTheMoose |
| 17:14.14 | CharminTheMoose | then you can start to make better. |
| 17:14.17 | CharminTheMoose | ok i'll stop |
| 17:14.18 | jetx | paul CharminTheMoose mcartny |
| 17:14.22 | jetx | \o/ |
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| 17:14.40 | whazilla | hey |
| 17:14.46 | whazilla | can anybody help on this one ? |
| 17:14.50 | whazilla | http://rafb.net/paste/results/tTr3Y563.nln.html |
| 17:14.55 | DanBrwn | thanks that did it |
| 17:15.09 | stew | badge? |
| 17:15.16 | wouterl | owl, I don't really know that lib, all I can say is try to reinstall the lib or apache2 (apt-get remove ...) |
| 17:15.18 | CharminTheMoose | question:How do i make sudo not ask me for my password when i type it? |
| 17:15.27 | jetx | stew he called you an op i think |
| 17:15.49 | Braindead | http://www.orange44.com/respect_02.jpg |
| 17:15.55 | ]Gnea[ | whazilla: #ubuntu |
| 17:16.04 | cydork | whazilla: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:16.10 | jetx | CharminTheMoose: there is a timeout value for that somewhere |
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| 17:17.44 | stew | Braindead: i'm silencing you for 10 minutes for being off topic |
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| 17:17.45 | Skiver | hello.. |
| 17:17.46 | chjunior | stew, do you know about a bug on the last Xorg/KDE upgrade on unstable? |
| 17:17.46 | dings | heh, not even provoked at all... |
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| 17:17.46 | CharminTheMoose | isn't that apache2 segfault thing supposed to be common? |
| 17:17.46 | Skiver | does the order of PATH="" in /etc/profile count ? |
| 17:17.47 | stew | chjunior: i wouldn't. have you checked the bts? |
| 17:17.48 | chjunior | stew, a bug that the text of the applications don't appear? |
| 17:18.04 | chjunior | stew, sorry, what is bts? |
| 17:18.12 | stew | chjunior: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:18.23 | stew | chjunior: welcome to unstable |
| 17:18.44 | chjunior | stew: yeah :D hehehe |
| 17:20.16 | cr3 | I'm having problems configuring samba so that it doesn't prompt for a password. I have the security set to share, the service set with guest ok = yes, guest only = yes, public = yes. what might I be missing? |
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| 17:21.21 | ]Gnea[ | cr3: #samba |
| 17:21.40 | stew | cr3: have you restarted samba since making the changes |
| 17:22.08 | cr3 | stew: yep |
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| 17:23.25 | cr3 | stew: if I enter no password at all, the shared partition is mounted. however, the problem is simply that it prompts for a password :( |
| 17:24.18 | ayaa | !kiosktool |
| 17:24.47 | ]Gnea[ | cr3: you may have to restart samba and windows |
| 17:25.32 | cr3 | ]Gnea[: I'm actually using smbmount from another linux box, I can't test using a windows box right now |
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| 17:26.08 | ]Gnea[ | cr3: ok, well make sure you check out #samba, they're more likely to know |
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| 17:26.22 | Roey | hey stew |
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| 17:30.43 | *** topic/#debian is lilo: http://freenode.net/news.shtml | 3.1r3: /msg dpkg sarge 3.1r3 | STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 17:30.49 | fasta | !clone |
| 17:30.49 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 17:30.50 | whazilla | im happy with any advive cydork ... my ubuntu is already broken |
| 17:30.54 | whazilla | the cman package |
| 17:31.01 | cydork | whazilla: install debian :P |
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| 17:31.45 | whazilla | i take meds |
| 17:31.46 | cydork | tralala: huh? what's wrong with apt ? |
| 17:31.55 | d0uglas | which, yo? |
| 17:32.14 | whazilla | abilify ... risperdal ... sertindol |
| 17:32.18 | chjunior | ]Gnea[ wow!!! worked when I changed the nvidia driver to nv! |
| 17:32.22 | whazilla | !google sertindol deads |
| 17:32.26 | tralala | cydork, it has a bug that lets you kick it offline and it's owner doesn't bother to show up in #debian so I can tell him |
| 17:32.41 | tralala | make that its |
| 17:32.56 | stew | d0uglas: please refrain from name-calling |
| 17:33.12 | d0uglas | ok |
| 17:33.31 | d0uglas | whazilla: that's some heavy stuff man |
| 17:33.41 | cahoot | and OT |
| 17:33.51 | d0uglas | True. |
| 17:33.52 | whazilla | hmm |
| 17:33.55 | stew | whazilla: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu. ubuntu and your meds are both off-topic in here |
| 17:33.58 | whazilla | i dont take them by will |
| 17:34.06 | whazilla | im banned ther |
| 17:34.11 | d0uglas | intramuscular? |
| 17:34.27 | tralala | whazilla, soon you might be banned here as well |
| 17:34.28 | stew | whazilla: "/msg #chanserv access #ubuntu list" will get you a list of ops, talk to them about it, not us |
| 17:34.46 | stew | whazilla: err /msg chanserv, not /msg #chanserv |
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| 17:35.11 | d0uglas | whazilla: instead of messaging ops you might want to try a different irc network until they unban you which they do routinely.. people dont take kindly to being /msged |
| 17:35.18 | d0uglas | might only get you banned longer |
| 17:35.31 | stew | d0uglas: no, /msging an op is not a problem |
| 17:35.37 | d0uglas | ok nm |
| 17:36.06 | whazilla | anyhow i thought debian was smart linux ... do i seem wrong |
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| 17:36.25 | d0uglas | define smart linux |
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| 17:36.43 | whazilla | as ther willin to help on a generic deb error |
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| 17:37.04 | stew | whazilla: no. sorry, this is a debian support channel, not a support channel for all debian-derrived distros |
| 17:37.39 | whazilla | isnt the solution the same then ? |
| 17:37.47 | whazilla | if i start with sources it is |
| 17:37.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: home yet? |
| 17:37.49 | d0uglas | whazilla: the two may seem similar on the frontend but they are not |
| 17:37.53 | phogg | whazilla: even if it is, why should we help people not use Debian? |
| 17:37.58 | ayaa | anyone can link a kiosktool tutorial ? |
| 17:38.00 | stew | whazilla: we don't know. ask a ubuntu channel or mailing list |
| 17:38.11 | whazilla | just like i said ... i was wrong ... |
| 17:38.16 | tarzeau | ayaa: www.linuks.mine.nu/kiosk/ |
| 17:38.37 | tarzeau | ayaa: not a tutorial, but some configs |
| 17:38.37 | d0uglas | <-- realizes this is a common trolling method of operation |
| 17:38.37 | ayaa | tarzeau, thx |
| 17:38.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: tell me what you think: http://gnu.ethz.ch/gnustep/GNUSTEP-i486-0.9.9.1.iso |
| 17:38.45 | dareth | Not that people here are unwilling to help. Bad advice, even well intentioned, is worse than no advice, or advice to search elsewhere for help. |
| 17:39.01 | whazilla | i like bad advice |
| 17:39.13 | d0uglas | then call microsoft |
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| 17:39.16 | dareth | really? |
| 17:39.20 | d0uglas | they might charge you but "you get what you pay for" right |
| 17:39.23 | stew | d0uglas: please drop it |
| 17:39.26 | whazilla | ill call bush ... ill ask a nuke now |
| 17:39.34 | whazilla | yea drop the nuke |
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| 17:39.41 | stew | whazilla: stop |
| 17:39.44 | CharminTheMoose | whazilla bad advice could mess up your system even worse than it is now |
| 17:39.45 | dareth | Try fdisking to fix problem... don't bother with backups or anything stupid like that... oh and have a nice day. |
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| 17:42.56 | CharminTheMoose | hmm,bad advice+ubuntu+DebianIrcChannel=your system gets borked over even more OR google+timeuntilyougetunbannedfrom#ubuntu=not being stupid |
| 17:43.12 | lindenle | Hi I have added a patch to the beagle package(pulled from cvs hea) to make it behave correcty when a mchine is on battery. How would i go about contributing this? |
| 17:43.29 | Braindead | CharminTheMoose: ubuntu,humour and wit are offtopic in here |
| 17:43.42 | whazilla | CharminTheMoose but i can know what i do |
| 17:43.53 | whazilla | just be clueless |
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| 17:43.56 | CharminTheMoose | Braindead:pfft |
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| 17:44.28 | Braindead | lindenle: you could either contact the upstream developers and/or the debian packagers |
| 17:44.52 | lindenle | Braindead: Great will do, I should have thought of that sorry. |
| 17:44.54 | whazilla | okey ... take in note my buddy has a debian ... he installed cman cluster stuff |
| 17:45.16 | whazilla | and his system has a fatal module during bootup saying cman could not be started |
| 17:45.37 | whazilla | so his rigs his livecd ... mounts his lvm and chroots it |
| 17:46.07 | whazilla | any advice for him ? ^^ |
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| 17:46.30 | stew | whazilla: what version of cman? ("dpkg -l cman" will tell you what version is installed) |
| 17:46.34 | cydork | whazilla: hmm your problem is exactly same as him.. i wonder how come. |
| 17:46.40 | CharminTheMoose | so long,i'm off to a Muse concert at the Point now |
| 17:46.40 | Stevie[FP] | erk... I broke my keyboard |
| 17:46.50 | cydork | stew: this is what whazilla pasted http://rafb.net/paste/results/tTr3Y563.nln.html |
| 17:46.56 | CharminTheMoose | goodbye everybody |
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| 17:47.08 | stew | lindenle: you can use reportbug to file a bug against the package with the "patch" tag and include your patch in the bug report |
| 17:47.11 | Stevie[FP] | my tty is hosed |
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| 17:47.31 | umesh_ | I have Dell PE1950 sever using sata HD, can I use testing debian installer to install since testing support all drivers and change it to stable after the installing the base system ? |
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| 17:47.49 | whazilla | 1.20060222-0 |
| 17:47.53 | whazilla | cman |
| 17:48.03 | cwheeler | Hi I'm having problems getting a repository to work with synaptic, I get this error: |
| 17:48.08 | cwheeler | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 17:48.15 | cydork | umesh_: no you cant do that but you can install sarge with newer kernel. /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 17:48.41 | lindenle | stew: Also an excellent idea |
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| 17:48.55 | whazilla | stew its 1.20060222 |
| 17:49.11 | stew | whazilla: that version is in ubuntu but not in debian |
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| 17:49.49 | fasta | !kill whazilla |
| 17:49.58 | whazilla | but what i wanted to ask was how would u fix sutch thing in debian ? |
| 17:50.07 | fasta | !tell whazilla about u |
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| 17:50.53 | ayaa | how can i configure wich programs should start in my kde session ? |
| 17:51.15 | Stevie[FP] | okay, my keyboard is borked. wtf |
| 17:51.34 | whazilla | :$ |
| 17:51.44 | fasta | ayaa: ~/.kde/Autostart/ ? |
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| 17:52.08 | dusk | is there a way to read an NTFS software raid on an nvidia nforce2 mobo? |
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| 17:53.01 | evil_andy | does anyone in here have experience setting up kerberized ssh? I'm having an issue where I can only run it on the KDC (even though all the config files are the same for each system and I have all the principals set up properly and added to the keytab) |
| 17:53.25 | cydork | umesh_: that only uses 2.6.8-3 but you need higer version of kernel. |
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| 17:53.42 | cydork | !tell umesh_ -about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 17:54.12 | lindenle | stew: Umm, I actually made the patch use dpatch and rebuilt the whole package could i just send that to them? |
| 17:54.28 | lindenle | stew: I did it for both the unstable and testing versions as well |
| 17:54.44 | umesh_ | cydork, how can I use sarge 2.6.18 from the install disk |
| 17:55.16 | stew | lindenle: awesome. if you entire change is contained in the one dpatch, just send that along |
| 17:55.27 | lindenle | stew: ok |
| 17:55.28 | tralala | umesh_, the install disc is for installing sarge, not for using it |
| 17:55.29 | lindenle | will do |
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| 17:55.46 | stew | lindenle: or send an interdiff between your .diff.gz and theirs if there is stuff not contained in the one dpatch |
| 17:55.46 | cydork | umesh_: read the dpkg's msg .. |
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| 17:57.01 | lindenle | stew: it is just one dpatch |
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| 17:57.58 | umesh_ | cydork, thanks |
| 17:58.47 | cydork | umesh_: there is a image with 2.6.16 too. /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 17:59.23 | ayaa | i have no file in my .kde/Autostart and kmixer is starting every time i open my kde session, how to remove it |
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| 18:00.34 | knoxy | my cd dont boot the system into toshiba a70 in kernel loader.. this apresents fatal errors.. |
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| 18:01.41 | knoxy | linux26 vga=771 |
| 18:01.44 | knoxy | ok.. :) |
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| 18:02.33 | Stevie[FP] | gah. this should be straightforward. |
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| 18:03.17 | lindenle | stew: When do I atach the patch, I said yes but it never prompted me for it. |
| 18:03.39 | stew | lindenle: you can just paste it into the body of the message |
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| 18:04.14 | lindenle | ok |
| 18:05.08 | _fjh_ | Hi, I corrupted my system.I executed as 'root' in /home/mythtv the command 'chown -R mythtv .*' I wanted to correct ownerships of some .xmltv/* files. |
| 18:05.43 | _fjh_ | No I cannot 'su - root' anymore. Somehow the command changed a lot more directory ownerships than expected. |
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| 18:06.20 | _fjh_ | Is there a command to restore the ownership of the base system? |
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| 18:08.39 | lindenle | stew: done and done, thx. |
| 18:08.59 | _fjh_ | Uh, It seems no such command. Now I switch to panic mode :( |
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| 18:09.23 | whazilla | so im really really wondering what would be the solution for debian ... when a kernel module fails ... alike cman does on my ubuntu |
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| 18:10.30 | cydork | whazilla: doens't happen on debian :P |
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| 18:11.29 | whazilla | why would it not ? |
| 18:11.41 | whazilla | i really hate ubuntu |
| 18:11.49 | Althaser | how can I add a new entry to my menu-xdg ? please |
| 18:11.51 | stew | whazilla: please keep it on-topic |
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| 18:12.49 | sandman | Is there a way to get my win32 codecs from my windows installation? |
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| 18:12.56 | Shinomura_2 | am |
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| 18:14.56 | g3brown | I would like to know what gets installed during the initial install if you select 'web server'? |
| 18:14.57 | Shinomura_2 | a |
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| 18:20.57 | abrotman | g3brown: most likely apache |
| 18:21.06 | abrotman | !tell sandman about w32codecs |
| 18:21.08 | Ronin | g3brown: apache of some sort |
| 18:21.36 | g3brown | abrotman: yeah, but apache or apache2 and did it put mysql or what in it? I'm really looking for a list. |
| 18:22.04 | abrotman | dpkg -l apache* |
| 18:22.04 | dpkg | ii apache* 3.6-5.2 abrotman's private gamp collection |
| 18:22.06 | cydork | g3brown: run tasksel --task-packages web-server |
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| 18:22.44 | g3brown | cydork: that the deal there. _exactly_ what I was looking for thx |
| 18:22.50 | abrotman | see! .. he is useful |
| 18:23.22 | abrotman | hey that's weird. .. even if you don't use tasksel .. it still shows it as installed if you installed all those packages anyways ... |
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| 18:24.17 | table-power | hi |
| 18:24.29 | table-power | can one use a recent kernel with debian? |
| 18:24.33 | table-power | 2.6.18? |
| 18:24.38 | wols | yes |
| 18:24.49 | table-power | how do you choose it during install? |
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| 18:24.52 | abrotman | you can't |
| 18:25.03 | table-power | so how do I get it? |
| 18:25.03 | wols | well.... |
| 18:25.09 | wols | !sarge 2.6.19 |
| 18:25.10 | wols | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 18:25.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.18 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm (See creator's warnings) |
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| 18:25.33 | wols | table-power: one can install kernels after install too |
| 18:25.39 | table-power | ok |
| 18:25.43 | table-power | awesome |
| 18:25.52 | jpin | Does anyone know of a tool that parses a C project source code to put it on the web? (links to function declarations.. etc) |
| 18:25.56 | table-power | I also heard that debian has an aolserver package? |
| 18:26.09 | table-power | aolserver+tcl kicked ass for arsDigita |
| 18:26.15 | table-power | +aol |
| 18:26.17 | table-power | (heh) |
| 18:26.32 | wols | yes it has |
| 18:26.45 | table-power | anyone here try it? |
| 18:26.53 | abrotman | i thought it was abandoned |
| 18:26.53 | cydork | abrotman: who said m not usefull? :P |
| 18:26.57 | table-power | I got it compiled on ent linux 3 redhat |
| 18:26.59 | abrotman | cydork: your mom |
| 18:27.01 | table-power | kinda cool |
| 18:27.02 | abrotman | !info aolserver sarge |
| 18:27.19 | wols | !info aolserver4 sarge |
| 18:27.24 | abrotman | yeah .. 3 and 4 |
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| 18:27.29 | dpkg | aolserver: (AOL Web Server 3 (Program)), section web, is optional. Version: 3.5.6-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 674 kB, Installed size: 1469 kB |
| 18:27.30 | george | there should be aolserver and aolserver4 |
| 18:27.30 | dpkg | aolserver4: (AOL Web Server 4 (Program)), section web, is optional. Version: 4.0.10-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 772 kB, Installed size: 1808 kB |
| 18:27.30 | jpin | Does anyone know of a tool to put C code on the web? (links to function declarations.. etc) |
| 18:27.31 | abrotman | so much for being abandoned :) |
| 18:27.44 | abrotman | jpin: maybe ask ##c |
| 18:27.44 | cydork | abrotman: heh |
| 18:27.47 | wols | AOL never dies |
| 18:27.48 | Shadowcat | we have an AOL server in debian? |
| 18:27.49 | Shadowcat | damn |
| 18:27.52 | jpin | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:27.56 | abrotman | Shadowcat: been there for a while |
| 18:27.57 | table-power | I found a C++ app server. |
| 18:27.57 | Shadowcat | we need to exorcise the repository |
| 18:28.31 | george | Shadowcat: it's a web server, well more of a web app server |
| 18:28.36 | table-power | imagine that instead of jboss, use C++ pages lol |
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| 18:28.59 | Shadowcat | george: AOL == EVIL |
| 18:29.22 | wols | stupid yes, but evil? |
| 18:29.33 | Shadowcat | both |
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| 18:29.47 | wols | it'S a failing company, how can it be evil |
| 18:29.53 | george | Shadowcat: is it? aolserver used to cost $5000/machine... then aol bought the company and GPLed it... that sound evil to you? |
| 18:30.01 | wols | now, MS, google, yahoo, TimeWarner etc... |
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| 18:32.53 | george | it's actually under I think a license called APL, which states at the bottom you have the choice to make it GPL |
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| 18:33.38 | myren | what is the best way to add fonts? |
| 18:33.43 | myren | i have pcf's and ttf's |
| 18:34.03 | george | font1 + font2? |
| 18:34.40 | myren | ::spite:: |
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| 18:35.33 | g333k_work | Hi how do I kick a user out from the system? |
| 18:35.37 | george | you either convert them to x fonts and put em in a dir where x sees them... or |
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| 18:36.16 | george | you run a font server that deals with fonts of that type (I think there is one for ttfs) |
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| 18:36.22 | amphi | g333k_work: kill their shelll |
| 18:36.38 | myren | i got these ttf's added through kde |
| 18:36.38 | g333k_work | amphi, how? |
| 18:36.40 | stew | g333k_work: apt-cache show slay |
| 18:36.50 | Ox0F0-0FF | g333k, kill -HUP shell_id |
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| 18:37.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | actually, slay is a better option |
| 18:38.21 | george | careful tho... it kills all processes owned by a particular user |
| 18:38.28 | george | don't slay root :) |
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| 18:40.34 | g333k_work | Another question, how to delete a user even though the user is connected to the system? |
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| 18:41.02 | stew | g333k_work: with deluser |
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| 18:41.18 | george | g333k_work: have you explored your linux much yet? |
| 18:41.19 | g333k_work | I did: #slay userX, but I still cant delete the userX |
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| 18:41.55 | stew | g333k_work: why can't you? |
| 18:41.55 | wols | g333k_work: error messages are such AWESOME thing! |
| 18:41.58 | g333k_work | stew, when I do #deluser userX, it says that the user is still inside the system |
| 18:42.00 | wols | have you heard of them? |
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| 18:42.25 | stew | g333k_work: can you give us the exact error message? |
| 18:42.26 | d0uglas | what do i need to do to use k3b w/o having to run it as root in order for it to recognize the burner? |
| 18:42.26 | g333k_work | wols, stew, /usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel ws001' returned error code 8. Aborting. |
| 18:42.46 | FabParma | please, how can i change the keyboard layout using the shell? |
| 18:43.25 | stew | g333k_work: "pgrep -U uid" will list the processes still running as that user |
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| 18:44.42 | g333k_work | stew, the output is nothing, so I think the user doesnt have any process alive |
| 18:45.03 | d0uglas | do i add k3b or my username or something to a root group or what |
| 18:45.06 | stew | FabParma: man loadkeys |
| 18:45.12 | superjon | Could someone give me a few pointers as to how I would take foo1.bar.sys.com and rename the A record to foo1.bar.sys1.com but ALSO keep a CNAME to foo1.bar.sys.com without breaking anything? |
| 18:45.24 | stew | FabParma: oh wiat, loadkeys is for console, not for x though, /msg dpkg keymap |
| 18:45.41 | stew | g333k_work: you used uid, not username, right? |
| 18:45.59 | g333k_work | stew, pgrep -U ws001 |
| 18:46.12 | stew | g333k_work: that's a username, use the uid |
| 18:46.15 | FabParma | stew: i need for console. ill use 'loadkeys' thank you |
| 18:46.20 | stew | g333k_work: (the uid is a number) |
| 18:46.38 | stew | FabParma: if you want to do it permanantly, replace /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 18:46.51 | stew | FabParma: (and maybe look at /etc/init.d/keymap.sh) |
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| 18:47.27 | g333k_work | stew, in my /etc/passwd appears this line: ws001:x:1001:1001:,,,:/home/ws001:/bin/bash, the uid of ws001 is 1001 ? |
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| 18:47.38 | stew | g333k_work: yes |
| 18:47.40 | FabParma | stew: ill do, thank you again Steve |
| 18:47.53 | stew | FabParva: you are welcom |
| 18:48.14 | g333k_work | stew, the ouput is nothing |
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| 18:48.33 | g333k_work | output* |
| 18:48.39 | stew | g333k_work: ok how about "ps aux | grep ws001" |
| 18:48.43 | ayaa | how to edit other users menu in kde? |
| 18:49.13 | g333k_work | stew, I have tried, nothing too |
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| 18:49.20 | d0uglas | is there a startx option to specify a different display than 0? |
| 18:49.26 | d0uglas | not seeing it in the man page |
| 18:49.36 | stew | d0uglas: startx -- :1 |
| 18:49.40 | g333k_work | I give up |
| 18:49.41 | d0uglas | nice. |
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| 18:49.48 | stew | (i think) |
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| 18:52.53 | Flimzy | Are there any handy apps to automagically switch to a secondary NIC in case the primary NIC looses connectivity for some reason? |
| 18:53.24 | madclicker | hi, is there a way to delete all apache software from my system? |
| 18:53.27 | bab | Flimzy yaha linux-ha |
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| 18:53.57 | bab | apt-get -remove package --purge |
| 18:54.09 | bab | madclicker, apt-get -remove package --purge |
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| 18:55.04 | stew | madclicker: aptitude purge apache-common apache2-common |
| 18:55.29 | Flimzy | bab: thanks |
| 18:55.36 | g333k_work | Hi, I have installed Ubuntu, so it had edited the grub menu, now I want to remove ubuntu safetely, and after that my grub menu returns to theway before install Ubuntu, how can I do that? |
| 18:55.57 | stew | Flimzy: you also might look at Documentation/bonding.txt in the kernel source |
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| 18:56.05 | FabParma | i need to change from italian keyboard to engliah keyboard. i tried loadkeys, but it does not work for me. any suggestion? |
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| 18:56.10 | Flimzy | stew: I don't want to bind two nics, tho. |
| 18:56.11 | stew | g333k_work: run "update-grub" |
| 18:56.20 | stew | Flimzy: then nm :) |
| 18:56.20 | Flimzy | stew: I just want one to take over in case the 1st fails |
| 18:56.37 | bab | g333k_work, did you edit the grup by hand at all? |
| 18:56.47 | Flimzy | Which I could probably do pretty easily with two default routes, then toggle the metric if one fails |
| 18:56.52 | g333k_work | bab, nop.. Ubuntu did |
| 18:57.01 | g333k_work | stew, You mean after deleting the partition of Ubuntu? |
| 18:57.03 | Flimzy | but I'm hoping there's something cleaner and more automatic available :) |
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| 18:57.27 | Stevie[FP] | don't think there is on either count, flimzy |
| 18:57.39 | madclicker | stew, am stuck i get http://pastebin.ca/236276 debian etch |
| 18:57.45 | stray_ | Flimzy: Cisco has the HSRP and VRRP, while bsd has CARP you may want to check out. dunno the equiv in linux. |
| 18:58.45 | bab | Flimzy, well if you do not want to bind two nics then where to you expect the ip to fail over to? |
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| 18:59.33 | *** topic/#debian is lilo: http://freenode.net/news.shtml | 3.1r3: /msg dpkg sarge 3.1r3 | STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 18:59.56 | stew | g333k_work: oh if ubuntu installed on top of debia's grub, then reinstall grub: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
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| 19:02.00 | madclicker | stew, thanks |
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| 19:06.15 | x_0r | hey how do i install phpnuke on debian |
| 19:06.24 | x_0r | and also a fourm app |
| 19:07.06 | FabParma | please, how to disable the sound using the shell? |
| 19:07.24 | pickcoder | is anyone familiar with ipfwadm? |
| 19:08.00 | SubStack | FabParma: amixer set Master 0% |
| 19:08.16 | SubStack | or alsamixer for a nice curses interface |
| 19:08.27 | FabParma | SubStack: thank you |
| 19:08.49 | SubStack | provided you're using alsa |
| 19:09.05 | Althaser | how can I add new entries to my menu-xdg ? please |
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| 19:10.09 | impulse_ | ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????§Æ¦©fß÷ ??Æ×u bhöpu??äü? ?? u? |
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| 19:10.13 | impulse_ | ß?¶?y |
| 19:10.20 | myren | where are X fonts installed? |
| 19:10.35 | Skiver | ? |
| 19:10.50 | Shinomura | impulse_: press Alt Gr and Control and Alt ... |
| 19:11.06 | Shinomura | and shift |
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| 19:11.39 | Skiver | myren : you can try /usr/share/fonts/X11 |
| 19:11.50 | pickcoder | gah |
| 19:12.00 | myren | thanks, i was still looking in the old /usr/lib/X11/fonts |
| 19:12.03 | impulse_ | sry |
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| 19:14.18 | slept | will it speed up my boot time if i have less modules ? |
| 19:14.31 | eeyore- | abrotman: morning |
| 19:14.31 | blondie | fewer modules |
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| 19:14.41 | eeyore- | abrotman: did you get the email from d. wagner? |
| 19:14.45 | slept | blondie, thanks |
| 19:14.46 | x_0r | hey how do i install phpnuke on debian |
| 19:14.48 | x_0r | and also a fourm app |
| 19:14.56 | blondie | slept: but yes, it probably will a bit. |
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| 19:15.47 | nayyares | i have been using CORAL PAINTER for my vertor graphics drawing in windows, but after converting to linux i want to know is there any replace for linux? i was use to draw through PEN. |
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| 19:16.02 | nayyares | i have been using CORAL PAINTER for my vertor graphics drawing in windows, but after converting to linux i want to know is there any replace for linux? i was use to draw through PEN. |
| 19:16.20 | eeyore- | nayyares: there are vector-drawing apps for linux. try Sodipodi |
| 19:16.40 | slept | if i download a kernel src will it have the same configuration as the image ? |
| 19:16.49 | abrotman | eeyore-: email? wtf is email? |
| 19:17.02 | abrotman | eeyore-: moment .. on phone with client. |
| 19:17.16 | eeyore- | nayyares: http://www.sodipodi.com/index.php3?section=screenshots |
| 19:17.38 | myren | i wish sodipodi was still in deve |
| 19:17.42 | eeyore- | admittedly those screenshots are not very awe-inspiring ... |
| 19:17.57 | myren | inkscape basically took over when it and sodipodi branched |
| 19:18.07 | nayyares | eeyore-, i hope it will contains all those functions :) |
| 19:18.20 | eeyore- | yeah |
| 19:18.53 | eeyore- | don't people use inkscape to draw SVG icons that are popular now? |
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| 19:19.03 | slept | what steps should i take to reduce my boot time ? can someone point me to a good link ? |
| 19:19.44 | nayyares | eeyore-, which device has been used to draw these screen shots? any idea? |
| 19:19.49 | eeyore- | nayyares: http://inkscape.osuosl.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.44-outlineview.png |
| 19:20.13 | eeyore- | that's one scary file ... |
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| 19:20.20 | stew | slept: change /bin/sh to point to /bin/dash |
| 19:20.34 | slept | i allready did that |
| 19:20.37 | wols | slept: use a monolithic kernel, not initrd, prune your startup entries |
| 19:20.38 | slept | thanks |
| 19:20.50 | pgmr | its apt-get remove <package> right? |
| 19:20.51 | slept | wols, ok |
| 19:20.53 | nayyares | :) |
| 19:20.53 | stew | and then you can also help find scripts using bashisms :) |
| 19:20.54 | wols | don't us DHCP |
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| 19:21.14 | slept | i am on a university net no way round dhcp |
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| 19:21.50 | slept | what is bashisms |
| 19:22.18 | nayyares | eeyore-, these are much sophesticated i ever thought :), but i have very simple stuff to do, that is i have design simple network diagram for class presentation? |
| 19:22.23 | myren | are .pcf fonts type1 fonts? |
| 19:22.23 | eeyore- | nayyares: pretty sure the "input device" (stylus in your case) is not a function of the software (e.g., as long as X / kernel supports it, it'll just show up as any other input device) |
| 19:23.44 | pgmr | how can I get apt-get to ignore some unmet dependancies that are unrelated to what I want to change? |
| 19:23.52 | Skiver | any alternative for downloading debian iso ? besides the mirrors listed on debian.org |
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| 19:24.14 | eeyore- | nayyares: do you have a specific stylus make/model you want to search for? |
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| 19:24.25 | pgmr | Skiver, knoppix has debootstrap :) |
| 19:25.48 | pickcoder | if anyone is familiar with ipchains, please join #pickchat. I'm going nuts here trying to get a simple IP forward working |
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| 19:26.15 | eeyore- | pickcoder: "IPCop" |
| 19:26.26 | avoine | there is a way to get the list of minimal packages that debian require |
| 19:26.28 | pickcoder | this isn't debian |
| 19:26.34 | avoine | like bash,mount, ect |
| 19:27.03 | eeyore- | pickcoder: standalone appliance, can be put on flash for no-hd installations, supports 4 interfaces (and wireless) |
| 19:27.04 | pickcoder | it will be running debian soon |
| 19:27.23 | pickcoder | but I have to get a demo running for the time being |
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| 19:27.49 | eeyore- | http://www.ipcop.org/ |
| 19:28.22 | pickcoder | eeyore-: this isn't for a firewall |
| 19:28.25 | eeyore- | pickcoder: OK, so what specifically are you having problem with? (yeah, ok, ipchains command, port forwarding, right? what's not working?) |
| 19:28.29 | nayyares | eeyore-, i want to do somewhat cbtnuggets sort of drawing stuff, if you ever seen their cbts. |
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| 19:28.43 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 19:28.49 | pickcoder | eeyore-: I have a subnet routed to a box, from a main gateway router |
| 19:28.51 | eeyore- | nayyares: nope, no clue :-) |
| 19:29.01 | pickcoder | eeyore-: one of those IPs needs to be forwarded to an internal machine |
| 19:29.09 | dazjorz | Are there any reasons why I should use make-kpkg as opposed to make and make install when compiling a kernel ? |
| 19:29.10 | killown | how I define route eth0 to eth1 in iptables? |
| 19:29.24 | wols | dazjorz: let's you uninstall the kernel again for starters |
| 19:29.26 | pickcoder | eeyore-: the normal ipchains -A forward command sets the rule, but packets still hit the source machine |
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| 19:29.34 | wols | lets you easil copy the kernel to another machine |
| 19:29.43 | wols | and it has pretty much no downsides to use it |
| 19:29.48 | eeyore- | pickcoder: show me your complete ipchains command for the rule you're thinking of |
| 19:30.05 | dazjorz | wols: Uninstalling is easy, 'rm' a few times and edit grub's menu.lst (or lilo's whatever file) |
| 19:30.06 | wols | pickcoder: ipchains? kernel 2.2? |
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| 19:30.20 | pickcoder | eeyore-: ipchains -A foward -S xxx.xxx.xxxx.xxxx -D yyy.yyyy.yyy.yyy -j MASQ |
| 19:30.26 | wols | dazjorz: compared to a single "dpkg -r" it's not easy |
| 19:30.27 | pickcoder | x is source (from the subnet) |
| 19:30.30 | dazjorz | wols: and I don't need to compile it - so there are no downsides and no upsides ? |
| 19:30.30 | pickcoder | y is internal box |
| 19:30.34 | nayyares | eeyore-, any ways, thanks for your help, i think inkscape is more close to coral painter, sodipodi is for more advance :) |
| 19:30.34 | pickcoder | wols: 2.4.20 |
| 19:30.38 | eeyore- | pickcoder: can you please replace X and Y's? |
| 19:30.42 | wols | pickcoder: then use iptables |
| 19:30.44 | pickcoder | wols: iptables module won't load |
| 19:30.50 | pickcoder | wols: it's a red crap box |
| 19:30.53 | dazjorz | wols: True |
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| 19:31.02 | dazjorz | wols: But I don't need to uninstall it too ;) |
| 19:31.03 | pickcoder | eeyore-: that will be backwards |
| 19:31.04 | wols | pickcoder: erm, ipchains under 2.4.20 is simply a iptables wrapper... |
| 19:31.15 | wols | you either have iptables or no firewall kinda thing |
| 19:31.17 | pickcoder | wols: believe me.. I've tried iptables |
| 19:31.18 | eeyore- | pickcoder: no, no. can you please replaces X's and Y's with *real* numbers? |
| 19:31.22 | pickcoder | it won't load |
| 19:31.22 | nayyares | eeyore-, i wish i can draw such kind of stuff as sodipodi screenshots are showing ;) |
| 19:31.29 | pickcoder | I hate ipchains |
| 19:31.44 | pickcoder | x = 12.17.29.78 |
| 19:31.47 | pickcoder | y = 192.168.0.108 |
| 19:32.26 | eeyore- | pickcoder: and the machine (running ipchains)'s IP address is? |
| 19:32.30 | pickcoder | iptables complains about the ip_tables module being in use |
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| 19:32.45 | pickcoder | lsmod shows ipchains loaded |
| 19:32.46 | wols | 2.4.20? RH8? coolio. unsupported distros |
| 19:32.54 | wols | pickcoder: however: wouldn't that be a #redhat question? |
| 19:32.59 | myren | what is a bitmap font type? type1/cid/type3/cmap? |
| 19:33.09 | pickcoder | wols: this my suggestion for someone to join #pickchat about 5 minutes ago |
| 19:33.10 | myren | those are the choices dfontmgr is giving me |
| 19:33.13 | eeyore- | myren: PCF |
| 19:33.21 | myren | i cant figure out how to install these pcf |
| 19:33.27 | myren | it wants me to choose a font type |
| 19:33.47 | myren | err font category |
| 19:33.54 | eeyore- | myren: put them in /usr/share/fonts/misc and run update-fonts-dir (?) /usr/share/fonts/misc |
| 19:33.55 | pickcoder | I'm about ready to say the hell with it and get approval to go ahead and build a new box for Debian |
| 19:33.56 | pgmr | try superman |
| 19:34.11 | eeyore- | pickcoder: and the machine (running ipchains)'s IP address is? |
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| 19:34.18 | wols | just tell them there is no support whatsoerver for RH anymore |
| 19:34.21 | pickcoder | ieeyore: it has about 30 IPs |
| 19:34.27 | pickcoder | eeyore- even |
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| 19:34.37 | eeyore- | pickcoder: i would prefer concrete IP addresses and not something abstract. we can remain in abstact discussion all day but it won't solve your problem now |
| 19:34.50 | pickcoder | you have the IP I'm concerned about |
| 19:35.03 | pickcoder | I'm not going to hand out a list of IPs for people to abuse |
| 19:35.18 | x_0r | hey how do i install phpnuke on debian |
| 19:35.20 | x_0r | and also a fourm app |
| 19:35.37 | nayyares | eeyore-, is there any application for screen capturing in linux, i want to record screen video and sound both? CAMPTACIA sort of? |
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| 19:36.01 | eeyore- | nayyares: uh ... mmmm, sorry, don't know. yeah, i know camtasia :-) |
| 19:36.01 | pickcoder | the forward rule should be working.. but it's not |
| 19:36.12 | Thaiger | I'm trying to install fuse-utils, but it says /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "fuse". Any ideas? |
| 19:36.16 | pickcoder | and I'm tired of trying variations of ipfwadm and ipchains |
| 19:36.33 | nayyares | hmm |
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| 19:39.15 | pgmr | I thought firewall stuff was on iptables |
| 19:40.16 | myren | FUCK |
| 19:40.19 | myren | fonts still not working |
| 19:40.30 | myren | i tried moving them into /usr/share/fonts/misc and /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc |
| 19:40.35 | x_0r | hey how do i install phpnuke on debian |
| 19:40.39 | myren | tried defoma-reconfigure, update-fonts-dir |
| 19:40.42 | myren | nothing |
| 19:40.48 | angler | anyone know how a partition is getting bound to md when it's not in any config files for that partition to be associated with raid? |
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| 19:42.07 | myren | xset fp rehash WHOO |
| 19:42.23 | jelly | angler: kernel tries to figure out what's on partitions of type fd, I think |
| 19:42.50 | pgmr | myren, you probably needed all three of those commands ran |
| 19:43.31 | diilbert | I am trying to install fluxbox, but I am getting a "unable to stat /etc/X11/X" when running startx |
| 19:43.44 | angler | jelly, anyway to disable that? |
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| 19:43.53 | wols | diilbert: have you X installed? |
| 19:44.05 | mirak | does anyone here have a radeon 9600 pro video card ? |
| 19:44.15 | diilbert | wols: I was sure it installed when I did apt-get install fluxbox |
| 19:44.29 | jelly | angler: dunno, change the partition type? |
| 19:44.35 | Skiver | mirak : 9800. |
| 19:44.44 | wols | diilbert: you were wrong. fluxbox hasn't X as dependency as it shouln't |
| 19:44.55 | wols | mirak: ask real questions |
| 19:44.58 | mirak | Skiver: the bug is about 9600/9550 and fglrx |
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| 19:45.15 | diilbert | wols: What packag am I looking for ? |
| 19:45.23 | wols | x-window-system-core |
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| 19:45.46 | mirak | wols: it's not a question, since I have the fix. now I want to know if there is a different fix than not building drm radeon module in the kernel to use fglrx |
| 19:45.51 | qailer | diilbert: fluxbox has nothing to do with X, it contains some php code in a directory which you will need to link to apache or something equal |
| 19:46.11 | wols | qailer: huh? |
| 19:46.27 | diilbert | wols: ditto |
| 19:46.30 | wols | mirak: the question you posed was still stu^Wunfortunate |
| 19:46.38 | qailer | wols: fluxbox is a web torrent program |
| 19:46.50 | diilbert | fluxbox is a window manager |
| 19:46.52 | SpeedyG | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/20727/info |
| 19:47.00 | wols | qailer: you are a very mistaken person |
| 19:47.11 | qailer | wols: I feel pretty mistaken |
| 19:47.14 | mirak | wols: the bug concerns all the distributions, but actually I reported it on lauchnpad |
| 19:47.17 | diilbert | wols: It could be both I guess... in name anyway |
| 19:47.18 | wols | flxubox has been a window manager longer than torrents exist |
| 19:47.19 | qailer | wols diilbert, sry guys |
| 19:47.33 | qailer | wols, I know I've runned it, just blackout |
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| 19:48.06 | qailer | to buisy with torrentflux latley |
| 19:48.13 | eeyore- | nayyares: sorry, there isn't any "screencast" app for linux, yet. point a video camera at it, i guess :-p |
| 19:48.45 | qailer | eeyore- maybe I should just shut up now, but istanbul ( ?) |
| 19:48.46 | h3sp4wn | eeyore-: there is |
| 19:49.41 | h3sp4wn | eeyore-: screenkast (works fine but needs stuff from debian multimedia to get libinstrudeo to build right) |
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| 19:50.58 | eeyore- | there is? |
| 19:51.07 | eeyore- | ok, i'll shut up now :-) |
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| 19:52.49 | aRJAy | gmorn |
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| 19:54.27 | h3sp4wn | nayyares: screenkast (probably only compile for etch / sid - with debian multimedia enabled |
| 19:54.29 | diilbert | where is the X config file ? |
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| 19:54.45 | diilbert | It has been awhile since I had to monkey with one |
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| 19:54.52 | aRJAy | diilbert: In the spot marked "X" |
| 19:54.58 | aRJAy | :) |
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| 19:55.09 | whazilla | hi again |
| 19:55.14 | aRJAy | diilbert: sorry... I'm a newb.. couldn't resist. |
| 19:55.17 | whazilla | this is the error |
| 19:55.29 | whazilla | hostname: Unknown hostFATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/modules.dep: No such file or directory Warning unable to load ipv6 kernel moduleFATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/modules.dep: No such file or directory Warning unable to load cman kernel moduleFATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/modules.dep: No such file or directory Warning unable to load dlm kernel modulecman_tool: can't open /proc/cluster/status, cman not |
| 19:55.30 | whazilla | fully debian compatible error |
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| 19:55.50 | eeyore- | is it too much to hope for screenkast/istanbul being able to capture Xgl / AIGLX session? |
| 19:55.53 | Skiver | diilbert, /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:56.08 | whazilla | what should i fix first host or deb packages ? |
| 19:56.32 | SpComb | is the search on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages broken? |
| 19:56.36 | h3sp4wn | eeyore-: Don't know about Xgl - aiglx should be no problem |
| 19:56.37 | wols | whazilla: what version of debian? |
| 19:56.49 | SpComb | it's giving me odd errors about missing keywords |
| 19:56.54 | wols | !tell diilbert about drxx |
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| 19:57.16 | diilbert | Skiver: Does not exist |
| 19:57.27 | diilbert | I seem to be using xfree86 |
| 19:57.30 | whazilla | wols ... not debian ... debian compatible o0 |
| 19:57.39 | eeyore- | h3sp4wn: that'd be neat. my laptop has aiglx, but it's dog slow (P4, not even the 'mobile' version). the fast CPU's all have ATI, so they'll have to be Xgl unfortunately |
| 19:57.49 | wols | only debian is debian compatible. go ask in your distro channel |
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| 19:58.15 | whazilla | wols how would i fix the first one ? ... saying hostname: Unknown |
| 19:58.19 | wols | diilbert: you don't want to edit the X config file directly |
| 19:58.29 | wols | whazilla: I dunno since you don't run debian. ask your distro, not us |
| 19:58.34 | whazilla | :$ |
| 19:58.35 | diilbert | wols What is the config command |
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| 19:58.43 | wols | diilbert: dpkg already told you |
| 19:58.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: huh ? |
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| 19:59.07 | diilbert | wols: I think I configed the vid wrong |
| 19:59.20 | diilbert | I am getting display not found erors |
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| 19:59.54 | aRJAy | I'm trying to test out apt-get. I've only just installed deb. |
| 19:59.55 | x_0r | hey how do i install phpnuke on debian |
| 20:00.10 | wols | x_0r: very carefully. and then you decide not to do it |
| 20:00.28 | aRJAy | Let's say that I want to install joe. How do I do so? |
| 20:00.36 | stew | aRJAy: apt-get install joe |
| 20:00.43 | stew | aRJAy: or aptitude install joe |
| 20:01.01 | diilbert | wols: not going to throw me a bone ? |
| 20:01.36 | wols | diilbert: if you ignore dpkg, what else could I tell you? |
| 20:01.38 | stew | diilbert: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ; but also read /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 20:01.41 | aRJAy | Stew: tried apt-get install joe. E: Couldn't find package joe |
| 20:01.47 | wols | either you read what you get told or you can't be helped |
| 20:02.01 | angler | can the partition type be changed in fdisk without losing data? |
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| 20:02.06 | wols | angler: yes |
| 20:02.16 | stew | aRJAy: run apt-setup |
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| 20:02.32 | wols | stew: will there be a apt-setup replacement in etch? |
| 20:02.36 | stew | wols: no |
| 20:02.52 | wols | so how will people easily get a repository? |
| 20:02.57 | wols | manual entry only? |
| 20:02.59 | stew | yes |
| 20:03.09 | diilbert | wols: you said that dpkg told me... but I don't know whAT ran |
| 20:03.10 | wols | why is apt-setup removed? |
| 20:03.19 | Ronin | stew: kind of silly isn't it? we cant get them to run apt-setup some times :) |
| 20:03.19 | PupenoR_ | In what files should I set the prompt, PS1, ? /etc/bash.bashrc and/or ~/.bashrc ? |
| 20:03.19 | reebd | I have 10 laptops dual booting debian and win xp. Is there a way to 1) automate and 2)'reimage' remaining 9 laptops using this one laptop? (yes, I tried dd) |
| 20:03.21 | wols | !tell diilbert about drxx |
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| 20:04.24 | stew | wols: Ronin: the apt-setup author never intended it for use by end-user but for use by d-i, the newest versions are only really appropriate for use in d-i, someone could either fork the older version and maintain it, or write a new one, but nobody has done it yet. the upstream author isn't really interested |
| 20:05.10 | diilbert | wols: Thank you... I did not know about dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:19.47 | *** topic/#debian is lilo: http://freenode.net/news.shtml | 3.1r3: /msg dpkg sarge 3.1r3 | STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 20:19.59 | madclicker | how can i modify mail.info to log more than one days worth of logs? |
| 20:20.08 | stew | mirak: are you talking about running devvuild/dpkg-buildpackage on the linux-2.6 source? |
| 20:20.26 | mirak | stew: well I don't know what I must do |
| 20:20.27 | wols | stew: h3sp4wn did |
| 20:20.43 | mirak | stew: what I want is a package with the same version, same name etcetera |
| 20:20.44 | stew | mirak: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:20.44 | xingu | madclicker: see logrotate(8) |
| 20:21.14 | stew | mirak: why do you want the same name? |
| 20:21.20 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.48 | aRJAy | xingu: I got nothing from that grep |
| 20:22.26 | aRJAy | env | grep 1.0.0.0; grep -R 1.0.0.0 /etc/apt |
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| 20:22.32 | aRJAy | no result |
| 20:23.05 | mirak | stew: ok, I have a radeon 9600 pro, it appears that for this card fglrx DRI doesn't work if you don't DRM_RADEON module. So since I believe that there will never be a kernel in main, specially for me, I prefer do it myself and just replace the original one. that's why I don't consider it to be really a custom kernel like we are used to do when building from linux source |
| 20:23.31 | mirak | read don't disable DRM_RADEON |
| 20:23.34 | madclicker | xingu, its not there, someone told me it is in a separate file, cant remember where |
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| 20:24.02 | diilbert | Where did you xorg-x11 go ? |
| 20:24.11 | diilbert | It does not seem to be there |
| 20:24.20 | wols | diilbert: what's that supposed to be? |
| 20:24.58 | aRJAy | stew, xingu, anyone: seems just a little strange, yea? |
| 20:25.42 | stew | aRJAy: yes. you didn't use a web/ftp proxy to setup debian, did you? |
| 20:25.58 | aRJAy | stew: I used a CD for the install. |
| 20:26.07 | aRJAy | no proxy |
| 20:26.42 | aRJAy | stew: I've never had need for a proxy. |
| 20:26.59 | aRJAy | stew: worth checking the settings somewhere? |
| 20:27.09 | mirak | stew: do you know how to ? |
| 20:27.18 | aRJAy | All attempts seem to go towards 1.0.0.0 |
| 20:27.22 | aRJAy | *SHRUG* |
| 20:27.26 | stew | mirak: i'm the wrong one to ask about non-free drivers |
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| 20:28.13 | wols | stew: how would you prevent a kernel driver from being loaded? |
| 20:28.14 | mirak | stew: well my question is not about the driver, since I resolved the problem. you asked me the why after I asked how. |
| 20:28.21 | stew | aRJAy: the settings would be in /etc/apt.conf or /etc/apt.conf.d |
| 20:28.31 | stew | wols: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 20:28.43 | wols | stew: already told him long ago, but he chose to ignore it |
| 20:28.56 | mirak | stew: in fact I just want to create a kernel like they are created in the main repository |
| 20:29.07 | wols | mirak: you don't need a custom kernel |
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| 20:29.16 | mirak | ok |
| 20:29.17 | aRJAy | stew: there is no /etc/apt.conf |
| 20:29.27 | aRJAy | stew: what about sources.list ? |
| 20:29.29 | wols | aRJAy: there is a apt-conf.d you said |
| 20:29.58 | stew | mirak: seems like most people who get fglrx working do it in a different way |
| 20:30.01 | aRJAy | all it says in sources.list is #deb files: ///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 20:30.17 | mirak | wols: I didn't saw you helped me, it didn't higlhigted my xchat |
| 20:30.37 | wols | 21:18 < wols> !blacklist |
| 20:30.38 | mirak | stew: well I would prefer not have to rebuild a kernel ... |
| 20:31.04 | stew | mirak: the thing I was going to offer up was that if you try to debbuild the linux-2.6 source, you are going to create a ton of packages, like linux-image-foo-k7 -686 -486... all of the -headers pacakges, the -tree, -source packages... |
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| 20:31.37 | aRJAy | wols: There is a file within /etc/apt/apt.conf.d called 70debconf |
| 20:31.40 | aRJAy | is that odd? |
| 20:31.47 | wols | no |
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| 20:31.54 | stew | aRJAy: no, that is expected. does it say anything about proxying? |
| 20:32.05 | wols | but your sources.list is: if all there is is a reference to a cdrom, where does it know to get stuff from iinet.au? |
| 20:32.19 | wols | doesn't add up |
| 20:32.21 | stew | wols: he ran apt-setup |
| 20:32.22 | diilbert | I was wonder how to install xorg-x11 instead of xfree86 |
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| 20:32.33 | wols | stew: then ther emust be more than a cdrom entry only in there... |
| 20:32.36 | stew | diilbert: you are running stable? |
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| 20:32.45 | diilbert | stew: I think so |
| 20:32.47 | stew | wols: yes, there is a iinet.au entry |
| 20:33.00 | wols | 21:30 < aRJAy> all it says in sources.list is #deb files: ///cdrom/ sarge main |
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| 20:33.08 | stew | diilbert: backports.org has it, /msg dpkg bpo ; but what is wrong with xfree? |
| 20:33.09 | mirak | stew yes I was wondering if it was going to generate all of them or not, but it seems so |
| 20:33.26 | aRJAy | stew: nothing about proxying |
| 20:33.28 | wols | mirak: have you tried the blacklisting yet? |
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| 20:34.00 | myren | ugg now i cant figure out how to add truetype fonts |
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| 20:35.10 | mirak | wols: no, I am out of disk space, I must do some cleaning |
| 20:35.12 | borius | Does anyone here speak Russian? |
| 20:35.22 | aRJAy | wouldn't the sources.list file have refernces of some sort? |
| 20:35.29 | mirak | wols: by the way I am not sure this module is ever loaded |
| 20:35.31 | wols | mirak: what has diskpsace to do with blacklisting? you can#t even create a 10-20 bytes file? |
| 20:35.46 | wols | mirak: if it's not loaded it can't be the source of your problem |
| 20:35.49 | wols | man lsmod btw |
| 20:35.55 | mirak | wols: my disk was full, I can't even create log files |
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| 20:36.05 | aRJAy | THis is my first install of debian. I trust that others don't have the same experience :) |
| 20:36.05 | diilbert | stew: figured it out backports was conflicting with the stable entry in my sources.lst |
| 20:36.06 | aRJAy | heh |
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| 20:36.22 | stew | diilbert: what do you mean by "conflicting"? |
| 20:36.38 | wols | aRJAy: sources.list has to have an entry like deb ftp://debian.iinet.au... |
| 20:36.58 | wols | aRJAy: if not, something is seriously wrong |
| 20:37.03 | aRJAy | wols: there is no entry in sources.list |
| 20:37.14 | aRJAy | sorry.. |
| 20:37.22 | wols | what sources.list exactly? path? |
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| 20:37.57 | aRJAy | the only entry in /etc/apt/souces.list is deb file: ///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 20:38.00 | aRJAy | that's it |
| 20:38.10 | wols | aRJAy: but you ran apt-setup? |
| 20:38.14 | wols | as root? |
| 20:38.20 | aRJAy | wols: yes and yes |
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| 20:39.22 | EnsignRedshirt | brick: FYI: What I was looking for was not in the bash manpage, but in /usr/share/doc/bash/README.bash_completion.gz. |
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| 20:39.33 | mirak | wols stew : actually the problem is that the module is not loaded, and fglrx fail to load dri, that's I wonder if blacklisting is the solution. the incriminated module is this one : /kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko , but lsmod | grep radeon doesn't mention it |
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| 20:40.07 | wols | mirak: then load it? |
| 20:40.26 | wols | man modules |
| 20:40.50 | mirak | wols: fglrx works when that module is not built, it's all I can say |
| 20:41.11 | aRJAy | So.. it's suggested that I edit the sources.list file?? |
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| 20:41.32 | aRJAy | can someone else check their sources.list file and confirm their findings please? |
| 20:41.34 | wols | mirak: what you say doesn't add up |
| 20:41.37 | mirak | I will try blacklist but well, since actually fglrx doesn't have a functional dri, and that radeon module is not loaded, I don't see how it can help. I will try though |
| 20:42.03 | h3sp4wn | mirak: fglrx uses its own kernel module |
| 20:42.15 | jelly | radeon module is the free drm driver. It's normal that both cannot work at the same time. |
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| 20:42.21 | mirak | h3sp4wn: yes it uses fglrx module |
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| 20:43.04 | h3sp4wn | mirak: are you running etch or sid ? building the module with module-assistant ? |
| 20:43.18 | mirak | !blacklist |
| 20:43.18 | dpkg | i heard blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 20:43.42 | mirak | h3sp4wn: etch I build with module assistant |
| 20:43.52 | mirak | I try to blacklist I will tell you later |
| 20:44.49 | aRJAy | Is there any way of rebuilding sources.list file? |
| 20:44.51 | aRJAy | can someone else check their sources.list file and confirm their findings please? |
| 20:45.38 | wols | yes. there is. apt-setup |
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| 20:46.39 | aRJAy | wols: been there I think |
| 20:47.37 | aRJAy | wols: just tried ftp.au.debian.org no go on that one... resolves to 1.0.0.0 in apt-get |
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| 20:47.59 | aRJAy | brb.. need to build train track for son :) |
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| 20:48.23 | stew | aRJAy: are you using ftp://ftp or http:/ftp? i think you should try http |
| 20:48.33 | jade | folks how do i force fsck checking for the next reboot? i know there is an easy way to do this, but i forgot how. |
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| 20:49.29 | adamt | Hi! |
| 20:49.33 | abrotman | HI! |
| 20:49.33 | cahoot | jade: touch /forcefsck or shutdown -F |
| 20:49.47 | abrotman | eeyore-: huh again? |
| 20:50.01 | abrotman | eeyore-: msg me |
| 20:50.05 | jade | cahoot: super, thanks! |
| 20:50.10 | adamt | Say, how would I install debian without using cd-rom/dvd/or floppy-drives? |
| 20:50.24 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 20:50.25 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 20:50.35 | abrotman | adamt: tftp install |
| 20:50.39 | abrotman | or usb stick |
| 20:50.58 | Braindead | or get the hd out,debootstrap,put back |
| 20:51.03 | adamt | abrotman: Heh, i _do_ have wifi and ethernet :-) |
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| 20:51.24 | adamt | Braindead: it's a funky 1.8" drive, and i don't have an adaptor :-) |
| 20:51.43 | adamt | abrotman: How big an usb-stick is needed for a basic install? |
| 20:51.51 | adamt | do'h |
| 20:52.01 | adamt | the netinstall image is 100 MB or so? |
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| 20:52.06 | wols | adamt: yes |
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| 20:53.11 | adamt | so it would be possible to install debian from a 128MB usb-stick? if so, how do i write the boot image to the stick? do i need a special one? |
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| 20:54.34 | styvy | adamt, your bios should support booting from usb |
| 20:54.35 | wols | adamt: one single google query. first hit http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 20:55.13 | adamt | wols: sorry for asking dumb questions. i'm just in the mood for nuking gentoo... |
| 20:55.30 | adamt | styvy: i'm pretty sure it does |
| 20:55.32 | blazemonger | what's wrong with gentoo? too complex? |
| 20:55.51 | adamt | blazemonger: no |
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| 20:56.20 | adamt | blazemonger: i've used Gentoo for one and a half year, i'm just tired after using portage that long. |
| 20:56.52 | adamt | and no, it's not the time used for compiling that makes me mad... |
| 20:56.57 | evilbulgarian | hi, how is cron.d called by cron? and how can i test it after i add a file there? |
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| 20:58.25 | d0uglas | is a .dmg typically burnt as an image or as a regular generic filesystemed disk? |
| 20:58.53 | Braindead | it's usualyy mounted |
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| 21:04.25 | aRJAy | back |
| 21:04.36 | aRJAy | stew: tried both ftp and http |
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| 21:05.01 | aRJAy | if there was an option, I'd try doing fhttpd |
| 21:05.03 | aRJAy | :) |
| 21:05.36 | adamt | ohh btw, blazemonger, abrotman, styvy, wols, Braindead - thank you. |
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| 21:06.06 | styvy | you're welcome |
| 21:06.10 | xjkx | on windows, you can know your hardware on my computer's proprieties, how do i know it on debian? |
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| 21:07.14 | h3sp4wn | xjkx: lshw (install it if you don't have it already for full information run as root) |
| 21:07.33 | aRJAy | Anyone else wanna have a crack at my apt prob? :)) |
| 21:07.58 | xjkx | h3sp4wn, thanks |
| 21:08.47 | adamt | styvy: so i use mini.iso from ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot ? |
| 21:09.46 | xjkx | h3sp4wn, it says clock: 166mhz, is it internal or external? |
| 21:09.49 | xjkx | :s |
| 21:10.32 | styvy | sounds good to me, but don't know exactly |
| 21:10.32 | roe_ | aRJAy: are you having trouble connecting to repos? but you can ping them fine and browse to them? |
| 21:11.04 | h3sp4wn | xjkx: I think external |
| 21:11.14 | aRJAy | roe_: it seems like I cannot get apt to use the dns settings |
| 21:12.01 | adamt | styvy: ohh well, can't hurt to download 8.1MB ;-) |
| 21:12.03 | h3sp4wn | xjkx: #hardware would probably where to ask if you dunno whether your hardware is setup right |
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| 21:12.34 | aRJAy | roe_: any help I can get would be great |
| 21:13.10 | styvy | adamt, you said without networkcard? you defenetly need one for bigger install from the net |
| 21:13.30 | adamt | styvy: no no, i have plenty of possibilities to get networking up and running, i just need to boot |
| 21:13.39 | roe_ | aRJAy: forget apt for a moment... can you resolve the repos addresses? |
| 21:15.38 | aRJAy | roe_: I believe so.. |
| 21:16.03 | adamt | aRJAy: Believe? That is not good enough... :p |
| 21:16.06 | roe_ | "I believe so" is not an answer |
| 21:16.09 | adamt | nslookup blabla.com |
| 21:16.19 | roe_ | run "host url.com" |
| 21:16.44 | adamt | bah, okay, that's also a possibility :-) |
| 21:17.18 | aRJAy | I can ping out and it resoves. |
| 21:17.23 | aRJAy | host url.com ?? |
| 21:17.58 | roe_ | for instance 'host www.google.com' will return the ip addresses for google |
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| 21:18.03 | aRJAy | adamt: nslookup ? |
| 21:18.18 | roe_ | hehe |
| 21:18.39 | roe_ | aRJAy: I think we have to start a little slower |
| 21:18.56 | adamt | aRJAy: Never mind, nslookup does something similar to "host" (just try for heavens sake ;-) |
| 21:19.09 | stew | i don't think he has a dns problem, he was able to wget the Release file from one of the debian mirrors |
| 21:19.15 | aRJAy | -bash: host: command not found |
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| 21:19.31 | phoenixx | yo! |
| 21:19.37 | roe_ | hehe, I'd tell you to apt-get it but that wouldn't be productive ;) |
| 21:19.49 | roe_ | can you cat your /etc/apt/apt.conf file for me |
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| 21:19.59 | stew | roe_: he doens't have one |
| 21:20.00 | adamt | roe_: haha, i thought about the same :-) |
| 21:20.05 | roe_ | in #flood |
| 21:20.10 | stew | roe_: he doens't have one |
| 21:20.22 | aRJAy | -bash: host: command not found |
| 21:20.28 | aRJAy | what would that infer? |
| 21:21.02 | adamt | aRJAy: nothing in specific, except that you haven't installed the problem. That doesn't have to be a problem at all. |
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| 21:21.26 | aRJAy | adamt: we've tried a few things already.. havn't been able to nail it.. |
| 21:22.01 | roe_ | aRJAy: new install? |
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| 21:22.11 | aRJAy | roe_: that's an option.. |
| 21:22.21 | aRJAy | roe_: I'd hope that there'd be other options though.. |
| 21:22.25 | roe_ | aRJAy: no I am asking if this is a new install or has it worked in the past |
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| 21:22.36 | aFlag | is there a debian package that has kmalloc manpage? |
| 21:22.40 | aRJAy | roe_: brand new install.. my first |
| 21:22.43 | roe_ | ah |
| 21:22.48 | roe_ | ok |
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| 21:23.10 | roe_ | can you paste your sources.list file in the #flood channel? |
| 21:23.55 | aRJAy | the only entry in /etc/apt/souces.list is deb file: ///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 21:24.06 | aRJAy | I don't think we need to go to #Flood for that :) |
| 21:24.07 | aRJAy | heh |
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| 21:24.58 | roe_ | so how do you expect to apt-get anything from the internet? |
| 21:25.13 | aRJAy | roe_: nfi |
| 21:25.27 | aRJAy | I didn't write this OS :P |
| 21:25.28 | aRJAy | heh |
| 21:25.34 | roe_ | hehe |
| 21:25.39 | aRJAy | I have merely followed instructions :) |
| 21:25.51 | yassine | where do i find libdvdcss i searched it via aptitude but was could not find any |
| 21:25.54 | aRJAy | Something (never me) fecked up along the way! |
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| 21:26.03 | roe_ | ok apt is a program that takes a list of online databases you give it to find programs you are interested in |
| 21:26.13 | aRJAy | you tell me why sources.list didn't get populated? |
| 21:26.22 | aRJAy | :) |
| 21:26.26 | aRJAy | ah ha.. understood |
| 21:26.33 | roe_ | aRJAy: because you didn't type anything into it :) |
| 21:26.42 | aRJAy | :P~ |
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| 21:26.48 | jelly | I've seen a gui utility for ext2/3 that showed blocks of data on a partition and fragmentation info like all the Windows defrag tools... does anyone know what's its name? |
| 21:27.04 | roe_ | ok type "uname -a" and report the output |
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| 21:27.30 | aRJAy | roe: before I do that.. how do I check the IP address on the machine? |
| 21:27.36 | roe_ | ifconfig |
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| 21:28.31 | aRJAy | bahh... telnet and ssh aren't configured :) |
| 21:28.31 | aRJAy | heh |
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| 21:29.12 | msn | I am getting this in my /var/log/messages --MARK-- and the after this the OS stops responding |
| 21:29.14 | roe_ | aRJAy: is this your first debian install or first linux install? |
| 21:29.38 | aRJAy | roe_: first deb install.. have used linux from a great distance before though.. |
| 21:29.46 | roe_ | gotcha |
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| 21:30.04 | roe_ | so what does uname -a report |
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| 21:30.52 | roe_ | actually nevermind you answered my question above |
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| 21:31.34 | aRJAy | roe_: Linux deb 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:32.00 | roe_ | how old wsa the CD you used to install? |
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| 21:32.23 | roe_ | not that it matters too much but isn't 2.6 the default install and you ahve to specify the use of 2.4? |
| 21:33.34 | roe_ | aRJAy: are you in #flood? |
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| 21:34.24 | stew | roe_: no, 2.4 is the default |
| 21:34.35 | roe_ | in 3.1? |
| 21:34.39 | stew | roe_: yes |
| 21:34.41 | roe_ | huh |
| 21:34.43 | aRJAy | roe_: yes.. in #flood now |
| 21:35.10 | stew | msn: /msg dpkg mark |
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| 21:36.04 | aRJAy | how can I get and install joe ? |
| 21:36.07 | aRJAy | I hate using vi |
| 21:36.22 | aRJAy | brb |
| 21:36.29 | roe_ | try nano I think they include that in the base install |
| 21:36.30 | stew | aRJAy: try nano |
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| 21:36.42 | cwheeler | is it possible to change the size of partitions? what docs do I look for? |
| 21:36.56 | sandman | Is there a program that will make syncing my linux box and my ms pocket PC a little easier? |
| 21:37.08 | roe_ | why does debian include nVi instead of Vim? |
| 21:37.22 | NiCeBoY | hi i am going to change my hard disk and i want to backup my system can anyone help me how to proceeed please? i want to backup almost all.. |
| 21:37.32 | stew | roe_: becuase its smaller, i believe etch will install vim.tiny instead of nvi, but i'm not positive |
| 21:37.42 | msn | stew: but why does the OS crash/hang after that |
| 21:38.02 | stew | msn: i have no idea. but the mark messages have nothing to do with it |
| 21:38.03 | roe_ | while I think Vim is a great config editor nVi can be very frustrating |
| 21:38.11 | roe_ | second only to emacs:) |
| 21:38.26 | stew | cwheeler: have a look at parted/gparted, but I would strongly recommend backing up first |
| 21:38.26 | NiCeBoY | stew any idea for my question pelase? |
| 21:38.46 | stew | NiCeBoY: i'd use rsync |
| 21:38.47 | d0uglas | how can i convert a .dmg to a .iso? ... just rename it? |
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| 21:39.01 | stew | d0uglas: what does "file /path/to/.dmg" say it is? |
| 21:39.11 | cwheeler | thanks stew. the device mapper can't do it? |
| 21:39.32 | stew | cwheeler: are you using lvm? |
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| 21:39.32 | cwheeler | yes |
| 21:39.32 | stew | cwheeler: if you are using lvm look at lvresize |
| 21:39.32 | NiCeBoY | stew ok going to google rsync to get some help how to proceed with it thankx |
| 21:39.56 | xaka | i have very big trouble with VSFTPD: http://pastebin.ca/236549 - my config and i can't login by local users. I allways get answer from server: 530 Login incorrect. |
| 21:39.58 | cwheeler | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.07 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 21:40.21 | stew | cwheeler: yes |
| 21:40.46 | d0uglas | stew: Macintosh HFS Extended version 4 data last mounted by: 'HFSJ' ... etc |
| 21:40.50 | mirak | stew: blacklisting doesn't work |
| 21:41.26 | abrotman | xaka: do they have valid shells ? |
| 21:41.41 | xaka | yes, i successefully login in shell |
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| 21:43.46 | Monteiro | i want to install debian etch, it is more secure to install first debian sarge and do an apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:44.13 | xaka | abrotman, do you have any idea? |
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| 21:44.33 | qailer | Monteiro: it's the same as installing etch directly |
| 21:44.36 | roe_ | Monteiro: my opinion would be if you have a clean machine start with installing the kernel you want |
| 21:44.43 | d0uglas | monteiro: what matters more is which installer you're using |
| 21:45.27 | adamt | hmm.. wine.. why do we only have version 0.9.20? |
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| 21:45.41 | Monteiro | d0uglas : ok, i'll download the latest etch then |
| 21:46.03 | d0uglas | monteiro: grab the net installer from debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 21:46.12 | d0uglas | on yo' http dial |
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| 21:46.22 | Monteiro | d0uglas : ok, tks :) |
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| 21:48.15 | xaka | abrotman, sh....t. I create user, but not point shell :) I successefully login by SSH, but can't login in ftp. Problem is solved |
| 21:49.45 | PointyPumper | uhm |
| 21:49.49 | PointyPumper | got a lil question |
| 21:49.57 | PointyPumper | what is the non dirty way of loading a module at startup? |
| 21:50.10 | PointyPumper | i want to load a module that it's not being loaded |
| 21:50.18 | PointyPumper | but, i cant find where to put it :/ |
| 21:50.25 | george | try modconf |
| 21:50.26 | roe_ | put it in /etc/modules |
| 21:50.29 | qailer | PointyPumper: add it to /etc/modules = |
| 21:50.30 | george | or that |
| 21:51.00 | PointyPumper | thxx |
| 21:51.24 | PointyPumper | and the params |
| 21:51.27 | PointyPumper | on modprobe.d ? |
| 21:51.51 | aRJAy | roe_: no good :( |
| 21:51.58 | george | the module needs params? |
| 21:52.03 | PointyPumper | dont know yet :P |
| 21:52.12 | george | ever loaded it before? |
| 21:52.14 | roe_ | aRJAy: what happens when you run the command "apt-get update" |
| 21:52.16 | PointyPumper | yeap |
| 21:52.20 | george | and? |
| 21:52.21 | PointyPumper | but it works in strange ways :/ |
| 21:52.30 | PointyPumper | i have two sound cards |
| 21:52.32 | george | what do you mean? |
| 21:52.34 | PointyPumper | one loads nice |
| 21:52.36 | PointyPumper | the other one loads |
| 21:52.42 | PointyPumper | but does not create /dev/dsp* |
| 21:52.48 | PointyPumper | but |
| 21:52.51 | PointyPumper | if i remove em |
| 21:52.57 | PointyPumper | and load em manualy |
| 21:53.00 | PointyPumper | they work ok |
| 21:53.01 | PointyPumper | -_- |
| 21:53.04 | qailer | !tell PointyPumper about enter |
| 21:53.09 | qailer | :P |
| 21:53.10 | PointyPumper | ok ok |
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| 21:53.27 | george | when you load them manually, exactly what do you type? |
| 21:53.35 | PointyPumper | modprobe snd_hda_intel |
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| 21:53.43 | PointyPumper | modprobe snd_cmipci |
| 21:53.48 | Flimzy | We have a bunch of 1U and 2U servers with dual NICs... Is there any point in setting up a failsafe so that if one NIC fails the other takes over, if both NICs are plugged into the same switch? |
| 21:54.23 | PointyPumper | u would loose conection i think :S |
| 21:54.26 | asg | Flimzy: sure, unless the switch dies |
| 21:54.30 | PointyPumper | arp protocol does not like things like that |
| 21:54.40 | asg | Flimzy: better to plug them in different switches |
| 21:54.41 | aRJAy | roe_: it's still looking for 1.0.0.0 |
| 21:54.59 | roe_ | that is the IP it is looking for? |
| 21:55.08 | d0uglas | any way to convert an apple hfs+ .drm image into an iso? |
| 21:55.14 | Flimzy | asg: I'm looking for an excuse _not_ to get this working :) |
| 21:55.18 | aRJAy | roe_: that's what I'd assume.. yes.. |
| 21:55.41 | d0uglas | err dmg not drm |
| 21:55.57 | aRJAy | I'm able to ping and resolve through the prompt, but apt doesn't seem to want to use the same dns info I guess... |
| 21:56.03 | Flimzy | asg: Having redundant NICs plugged into the same switch seems silly to me. |
| 21:56.05 | roe_ | ok go to #flood paste the output for 'ifconfig -a' and 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' and 'cat /etc/hosts' |
| 21:56.33 | asg | Flimzy: it is somewhat but helpful if a cable or nic dies. Useless if the switch goes south though. |
| 21:56.43 | Flimzy | asg: right. |
| 21:56.52 | aRJAy | roe_: cannot cut and paste.. I'm on a different machine here... cannot even telnet into Deb. |
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| 21:57.23 | Flimzy | asg: What's the best way to set up a failsafe? Can I just bridge the two NICs together? Or should I set up a script to send a ping over one interface, and if it fails bring up the second one... or is there some automated daemon that can do it for me? |
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| 21:57.34 | aRJAy | roe_: seriously.. I'm probably better off doing a re-install at this stage |
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| 21:57.41 | aRJAy | sad to say.. but.. |
| 21:57.58 | roe_ | aRJAy: ok then type "ping mirrors.xmission.com" |
| 21:57.59 | asg | Flimzy: best way is to trunk them as one virtual. I've only ever done it with OpenBSD though. |
| 21:58.05 | roe_ | and what is the IP address |
| 21:58.26 | Flimzy | asg: That doesn't confuse the switch when it sees multiple MACs responding/reporting as the same IP? |
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| 21:58.41 | aRJAy | IP: 198.60.22.13 |
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| 21:58.56 | asg | Flimzy: some switches are perfectly fine with it; Nortel 55xx series switches seem capable. |
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| 21:59.17 | josh[n00b] | Anyone in here set up SubVersion on Debian? |
| 21:59.22 | roe_ | aRJAy: oh and make sure you put a '#' in front of 'deb file: ///cdrom/ sarge main' |
| 21:59.38 | Flimzy | asg: okay. I guess I'll give that a shot and see what happens. |
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| 21:59.44 | asg | josh[n00b]: basically apt-get install subversion and read /usr/share/doc/subversion |
| 22:00.01 | Flimzy | Now I only wish we were using Debian on these servers :/ |
| 22:00.09 | aRJAy | roe_: # is in place |
| 22:00.23 | PointyPumper | [19:13:13] <josh[n00b]> Anyone in here set up SubVersion on Debian? |
| 22:00.25 | PointyPumper | me |
| 22:00.26 | PointyPumper | what u need? |
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| 22:00.58 | george | don't you just install a package for that |
| 22:01.09 | asg | PointyPumper: you could have easily just said 'josh[n00b]: I have' and spared the channel two lines of useless cruft |
| 22:01.51 | tziku | Hello, if i have 2 x Intex Xenon 2.2Ghz with HT and ~4700 bogomips/cpu what is the real value ? 2x4700 for every fizical CPU , 4x4700 for every cpu, or 4700 for entire computer ? |
| 22:01.56 | aRJAy | roe_: brb.. |
| 22:02.15 | roe_ | ok |
| 22:02.22 | eeyore- | Flimzy: you'll want something like heartbeat? |
| 22:02.47 | Flimzy | eeyore-: I looked at that, and that seems like overkill for what I'm doing. I can use it if necessary, but I was hoping to find something simpler. |
| 22:02.51 | george | tziku: bogomips is BOGUS |
| 22:03.05 | tziku | and ? |
| 22:03.15 | george | that's why they call it bogomips... it's used to tune a loop, that's all |
| 22:03.23 | eeyore- | Flimzy: cronjob that checks for "mii-tools" output? :-) |
| 22:03.39 | eeyore- | Flimzy: hopefully your driver/card supports "link up" "no link" output |
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| 22:04.03 | Flimzy | eeyore-: I wouldn't want to rely on the NIC to report that... If the NIC fails, it may misreport that sort of stuff. |
| 22:05.08 | eeyore- | Flimzy: well then, how would you *programmatically* check for failure condition, then? :-) |
| 22:05.23 | Flimzy | eeyore-: With an arping probably. |
| 22:05.39 | eeyore- | Flimzy: by that definition, it's impossible (well, if you ping it and get no response, does it mean the card is bad, or just somebody did "ifdown"?) |
| 22:06.16 | Flimzy | eeyore-: If someone did an ifdown, then there's probably someone there who can do an ifup, too... and then any automated script will be moot anyway. |
| 22:06.19 | cwheeler | in lvresize what does "Volume group mapper doesn't exist" mean? |
| 22:06.35 | george | what's the problem? just build that logic in |
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| 22:07.13 | george | cwheeler: do you have the correct userland for lvm installed? |
| 22:07.42 | cwheeler | I installed it with the debian install |
| 22:07.53 | george | and your kernel? |
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| 22:08.10 | aRJAy | roe_: any other ideas? :) |
| 22:08.30 | george | but maybe also, you invoked it wrong? not sure about that part tho |
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| 22:08.52 | cwheeler | 2.6.16-2-486 kernel |
| 22:08.57 | roe_ | aRJAy: you never answered my question... what happens when you try to ping mirrors.xmission.com |
| 22:09.07 | george | in which version of debian? |
| 22:09.24 | cwheeler | testing |
| 22:09.33 | aRJAy | IP: 198.60.22.13 |
| 22:09.34 | cwheeler | what tells me the debian version? |
| 22:09.40 | esleep | anyone has an idea why nethack-gnome would die on me with this message: Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 22:09.46 | george | ping mirrors.xmission.com returns ping replies |
| 22:09.55 | esleep | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.56 | aRJAy | roe_: I answered that a little while ago |
| 22:10.19 | aRJAy | working fine |
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| 22:10.32 | roe_ | what is the iP |
| 22:10.34 | esleep | i have it working on my desktop computer but i get this message on my laptop .. :( |
| 22:10.41 | roe_ | got it |
| 22:10.42 | roe_ | I see |
| 22:10.44 | aRJAy | heh |
| 22:11.01 | roe_ | and apt-get update still tries to connect to 1.0.0.0? |
| 22:11.04 | george | your dns not working? |
| 22:11.05 | aRJAy | ah ha |
| 22:11.20 | george | your sources.list bad? |
| 22:11.45 | aRJAy | george: dns is working. able to ping urls. not able to get apt to work. returns errors referring to 1.0.0.0 |
| 22:11.56 | petemc | ive seen cheap routers that intermittently give out that ip for all dns requests |
| 22:12.00 | aRJAy | george: we've just edited the sources.list file |
| 22:12.34 | aRJAy | petemc: not the case here... ping is working just fine |
| 22:13.15 | cwheeler | are there lvm docs other than the manpages? |
| 22:13.25 | petemc | aRJAy: the mirror resolves? |
| 22:13.40 | aRJAy | petemc: yes |
| 22:13.47 | petemc | strange |
| 22:13.52 | petemc | tried another mirror? |
| 22:13.56 | petemc | on the off chance.. |
| 22:14.00 | aRJAy | yes |
| 22:14.24 | cwheeler | what's a "LogicalVolumePath"? |
| 22:14.39 | aRJAy | talking to me?? |
| 22:14.40 | petemc | my understanding is that both apt and ping would use system calls resolve ips.. |
| 22:15.11 | dondelelcaro | nslookup... |
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| 22:16.06 | roe_ | well its clock out time |
| 22:16.13 | dondelelcaro | and more importantly, getnetbyname, etc. |
| 22:16.13 | roe_ | sorry aRJAy |
| 22:16.21 | aRJAy | roe_: thanks for the help |
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| 22:16.41 | aRJAy | nslookup is not installed |
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| 22:17.01 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: it's all done using libc6 calls; getnetbyname, et al. |
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| 22:17.21 | aRJAy | dondelelcaro: you're talking to a newb here... |
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| 22:17.59 | aRJAy | this is my first install of Deb. Haven't yet installed anything. Just can't get apt-get to work.. |
| 22:18.15 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: in any event, ping and apt use the same stuff, they all use the nameservers defined in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 22:18.42 | aRJAy | ah ha |
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| 22:18.56 | aRJAy | dondelelcaro: it's not adding up then for some reason |
| 22:19.16 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: so you're running apt-get update; and it's not resolving, but ping foohostname; is? |
| 22:19.26 | aRJAy | dondelelcaro: pinging the mirror works... pinging other urls works... not apt though |
| 22:19.34 | aRJAy | ah ha |
| 22:20.00 | aRJAy | *shrug* |
| 22:20.25 | doublehp | Is there any standalone app to edit vCalendar and vCard files ? I mean, something smaller than Thunderbird, and not requirering KDE or Gnome things ... |
| 22:20.38 | aRJAy | Connecting to mirrors.xmission.com (1.0.0.0) Connecting to security.deb... etc.. |
| 22:20.43 | petemc | doublehp: they arent just xml? |
| 22:20.56 | aRJAy | 0% |
| 22:20.57 | aRJAy | 0% |
| 22:21.07 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: do you have an /etc/hosts entry for mirrors.xmission.com? what does host mirrors.xmission.com; return? |
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| 22:21.38 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: second, do you have HTTP_PROXY or similar defined? |
| 22:22.02 | doublehp | petemc: I have vcards including images; no clue how to stand this with vim ... not even about how to delete the image, or create/include a new one ... and no *.vcf do not look like XML at all |
| 22:22.08 | aRJAy | no proxy defined that I know of.. |
| 22:22.18 | uther_p | I have updated my kernel to 2.6.18, when trying to update libc6 (or most things it appears) it says that I must also update kernel-image-2.4.something, the old kernel... is there a simple reason and/or fix for this? |
| 22:22.22 | aRJAy | I haven't edited the hosts entry at all |
| 22:23.19 | Braindead | uther_p: remove the useless 2.4 kernel? |
| 22:23.41 | aRJAy | dondelelcaro: any other ideas? |
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| 22:23.49 | uther_p | I'm booted into the new kernel |
| 22:23.51 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: ok; give me the output of env; cat /etc/apt/apt.conf /etc/apt/preferences /etc/apt/sources.list; and HEAD mirrors.xmission.com; |
| 22:23.57 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: use the paster bot to do so. |
| 22:24.44 | xjkx | k3b channel has no1, anyone uses?i have a music cd to copy but i dont want track 16, how do i copy without track16? |
| 22:24.50 | petemc | aRJAy: does ifconfig mention an interface with an ipv6 address? |
| 22:24.55 | aRJAy | dondelelcaro: that'll take ages. I'd like to c&p but Deb hasn't got telnet/ssh installed. |
| 22:25.41 | aRJAy | petemc: nope |
| 22:25.46 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: ok... are you using the installer? |
| 22:26.03 | aRJAy | dondelelcaro: I used a cd to install |
| 22:26.22 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: basically, what you're showing me looks like you've managed to get an HTTP proxy set up, and it's set to be 1.0.0.0 |
| 22:26.37 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 22:26.42 | aRJAy | dondelelcaro: I'm wondering how that could have been |
| 22:26.46 | Gnurdux | did xorg 7.1 vastly improve the intel driver? |
| 22:26.46 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: because apt-get et al. use http, they'll try to connect to it. |
| 22:26.57 | NiCeBoY | !pastebin |
| 22:26.57 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 22:27.22 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: what you can do is specify an ftp sources.list entry, and then get enough stuff so you can tell me whether you've got one set up. |
| 22:27.22 | aRJAy | dondelelcaro: even though using ping produces the desired results? |
| 22:27.32 | stew | dondelelcaro: fwiw, i was able to get him to wget the Releases file successfully from whatever .au mirror he was trying to use, but he has no apt.conf.. |
| 22:27.46 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: right |
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| 22:28.02 | xjkx | k3b channel has no1, anyone uses?i have a music cd to copy but i dont want track 16, how do i copy without track16? |
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| 22:28.16 | dondelelcaro | stew: hrm... yeah; could be something really strange too... |
| 22:28.18 | aRJAy | dondelelcaro: ok.. what ftp address do you suggest? |
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| 22:28.31 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: well, ftp://debian.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ stable main; would work. |
| 22:28.43 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: but that's in the US; you may want to use a different address. |
| 22:29.00 | aRJAy | so deb ftp://debian.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ stable main |
| 22:29.06 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: right |
| 22:29.09 | NiCeBoY | stew can u please check this problem for me and help me to solve it please http://channels.debian.net/paste/4340 here it is |
| 22:29.28 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: you may also just try picking another http mirror in .au; that'd tell you if it was a proxy or just some sort of cached name resolution. |
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| 22:30.41 | sparrwork | What might cause intel965 hardware 3d acceleration to stop working? What steps can I try to reproduce whichever boot/background/invisible process is failing? |
| 22:30.50 | aRJAy | ok.. I've added that line |
| 22:30.51 | stew | NiCeBoY: you don't want to sync /proc nor /dev |
| 22:31.02 | stew | NiCeBoY: please don't always just single me out, just ask the entire channel |
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| 22:31.29 | NiCeBoY | stew ok but if i kept the backup.rar like that will it function please? |
| 22:31.53 | aRJAy | dondelelcaro: i've entered that line.. now what? :) |
| 22:32.17 | nulluid | i upgraded my apache2 and now my php doesnt work |
| 22:32.27 | nulluid | when i go to the site it wants to download the .php file |
| 22:32.32 | nulluid | i enabled the module |
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| 22:32.40 | nulluid | and clue whats going on? |
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| 22:33.48 | uther_p | can someone tell me why apt-get is telling me to 'upgrade' the kernel back to an old kernel when trying to upgrade libc? |
| 22:34.11 | george | NiCeBoY: you need p |
| 22:34.27 | NiCeBoY | george p? |
| 22:34.29 | aRJAy | dondelelcaro: still with me? :) |
| 22:34.37 | george | tar cfp ... |
| 22:35.04 | george | cf won't preserve permissions, dates, ownership |
| 22:35.17 | NiCeBoY | ok |
| 22:35.28 | george | so make the tarball again |
| 22:35.36 | NiCeBoY | george thanks am trying |
| 22:35.36 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: comment out your current line, and then run apt-get update; again. |
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| 22:36.08 | aRJAy | ran apt-get update and same problem |
| 22:36.29 | aRJAy | couldnt find any http or ftp servers.. all resolving to 1.0.0.0 |
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| 22:37.00 | george | you sure it's not your router |
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| 22:37.40 | aRJAy | george: me? no.. it's not my router |
| 22:37.41 | dondelelcaro | aRJAy: edit your /etc/hosts and add a line which says 198.60.22.13 mirrors.xmission.com; and use your original sources.list line. |
| 22:39.32 | aRJAy | updated /etc/hosts and apt-get is working |
| 22:40.01 | nulluid | how can i be sure that my apache2 is working with php |
| 22:40.07 | aRJAy | It's trying to connect to security.debian.org though too.... I think... (1.0.0.0) |
| 22:40.12 | cwheeler | lvm doesn't work at all without device-mapper in the kernel correct? |
| 22:40.13 | george | have it run a php script |
| 22:40.24 | SpComb | what's the best way to install debian etch from a usb stick? I'm trying the standard instructions and they are failing |
| 22:40.27 | petemc | aRJAy: are you using a d-link? |
| 22:40.32 | petemc | router.. |
| 22:40.36 | george | cwheeler: lvm2, right. |
| 22:40.37 | SpComb | boot.img.gz doesn't even boot, just get "Boot failed" |
| 22:40.38 | aRJAy | petemc: nopes |
| 22:40.42 | petemc | fair enough |
| 22:41.17 | SpComb | if I go the manual way it boots the installer, but then at one point I get complaints about missing kernel/installer modules and how my version is different from the repo |
| 22:41.23 | aRJAy | damn... 99% [Connecting to security.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] Connection timed out.. |
| 22:41.41 | aRJAy | won't grab that last 1% ! |
| 22:41.49 | george | aRJAy: (1) what is your /etc/resolv.conf say about nameserver? (2) what router -are- you using? |
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| 22:41.53 | SpComb | that IP address looks pretty weird |
| 22:42.03 | futex | hello |
| 22:42.14 | futex | i need help about nvidia driver |
| 22:42.21 | george | aRJAy: update hosts again with addr of security.d.o |
| 22:42.31 | SpComb | aRJAy: what does `host security.debian.org` give? |
| 22:42.44 | george | security.debian.org (128.101.240.212 |
| 22:43.02 | aRJAy | george: it's not the router... resolv.conf nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:43.30 | george | aRJAy: and what is 192.168.1.1? :) |
| 22:44.05 | futex | i must reinstall nvidia driver and when i recompile the driver i have this errir message: The C compiler 'cc' does not appear to be able to create executables. Please make sure you have... |
| 22:44.15 | futex | anyone can help me please? |
| 22:44.20 | SpComb | anyone ever installed etch with a usb stick? If not, how possible is it to upgrade a fresh sarge install to etch? |
| 22:44.23 | mirak | stew: I found how to build only the 386 kernel image from the source. I removed config.* exept config.386 |
| 22:44.43 | cydork | SpComb, check http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 22:44.47 | george | SpComb: probably; easy. |
| 22:45.00 | SpComb | because installing sarge from a usb stick is easy, etch is giving me headaches |
| 22:45.07 | petemc | aRJAy: have you tried changing resolv.conf to your isps nameservers? |
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| 22:45.28 | george | SpComb: so install sarge, upgrade |
| 22:45.38 | SpComb | cydork: I've followed that, and it's not working |
| 22:45.52 | SpComb | the boot.img.gz thing just doesn't boot |
| 22:46.04 | SpComb | and the manual method results in a installer that's missing some parts that it needs |
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| 22:46.10 | SpComb | it gets stuck at disk or hardware detection |
| 22:46.28 | george | so you could avoid all that |
| 22:46.43 | george | with the other alternative you suggested :) |
| 22:47.06 | SpComb | so sarge -> etch is a clean dist-upgrade? |
| 22:47.07 | george | which we're saying is easy |
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| 22:47.29 | george | well remember tho that etch is testing, so it's moreorless a moving target |
| 22:47.42 | george | but the base should install |
| 22:47.46 | george | it's worth a try |
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| 22:48.01 | w0rd54 | hrm....I'm using esmtp to deliver email for a script, but for some reason it's not showing a "from address" when I send the mail, can anyone suggest a fix? |
| 22:48.08 | NiCeBoY | george even with tar cfp.... am getting errors.. |
| 22:48.31 | george | what is your partition scheme? |
| 22:48.33 | aRJAy | george: 192.168.1.1 is my router |
| 22:48.48 | NiCeBoY | george how do i check that plz? |
| 22:48.50 | george | aRJAy: which you're using as your name server... |
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| 22:49.14 | george | NiCeBoY: put your /etc/fstab on a pastebin, or just look at it |
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| 22:49.23 | aRJAy | george: if PING google.com works then why wouldn't apt-get update work? that's the question really. |
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| 22:49.54 | NiCeBoY | george am getting -bash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied |
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| 22:50.03 | fenrir | How do I install a PCF font? xfree86.org says to put them in /usr/local/share/fonts/bitmap, but alas not folder exists |
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| 22:50.15 | aRJAy | dondelelcaro: still with me? |
| 22:50.19 | george | NiCeBoY: not -run- it, -look- at it :) |
| 22:50.45 | george | aRJAy: one thing that strikes me right away you can try, is using your isp's name server |
| 22:50.48 | aRJAy | ok.. apt-get works now... now that i've added the entries into the /etc/hosts file |
| 22:50.55 | george | or telling your router to do that |
| 22:51.08 | aRJAy | george: the router is doing that job |
| 22:51.16 | NiCeBoY | george i cant nderstand.. how do i look @ it? |
| 22:51.20 | george | because your router is not doing that job :) |
| 22:51.24 | aRJAy | that's what's making it possible to ping google.com etc.. |
| 22:51.46 | george | the thing is it looks like it's not doing enough of the job |
| 22:52.28 | george | leaving you to put addresses your router fails to find in /etc/hosts |
| 22:52.48 | george | I'll tell ya, your /etc/hosts is gonna get huge :) |
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| 22:53.24 | aRJAy | I've added my isps nameserver address into the hosts file now :) |
| 22:53.37 | george | ok, it should be the top nameserver line |
| 22:54.12 | george | if it's the second with your router being the first, you'll still have problems |
| 22:54.12 | aRJAy | sorry.. not into the /etc/hosts i mean the /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 22:54.17 | george | good |
| 22:54.50 | george | now, name resolution should work whether you have those entries in /etc/hosts or not |
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| 22:55.32 | george | otherwise, your router is working fine, providing the actual physical connection |
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| 22:55.59 | george | (which is half the battle... the other half is name service) |
| 22:56.36 | aRJAy | joe installed |
| 22:56.39 | Sayers | How do I run KDE, I know I have it . |
| 22:56.51 | w0rd54 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.51 | SpComb | hmm... I managed to boot into the business card image, but then it errored out on that too |
| 22:56.58 | aRJAy | george: thanks :) |
| 22:56.59 | w0rd54 | I'm trying to sendmail from console from an email address...using esmtp |
| 22:57.01 | george | once you have those two halves working, then you have a fully working internet connection |
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| 22:57.07 | w0rd54 | it's showing up no "from" address in my email client |
| 22:57.09 | futex | nobody help me for nvidia installer? |
| 22:57.14 | aRJAy | my little boy is calling for me here.. |
| 22:57.20 | aRJAy | thanks for the help.. |
| 22:57.26 | aRJAy | bbiab |
| 22:57.28 | george | welcxome |
| 22:57.39 | raz0 | Using 2.6.19-rc4, my SATA drive now shows up as hda instead of sda. Is this some new "feature", or did I do something wrong? |
| 22:57.57 | george | (thanks are due to others as well... I just closed the deal :) |
| 22:57.58 | SimAtWork | i think you did something wrong |
| 22:58.34 | raz0 | Well, the reason why I'm asking is that in menuconfig all the SATA options have moved out of the SCSI menu, so I thought it was plausible. |
| 22:58.38 | george | raz0: ooh! that's a good thing! |
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| 22:59.32 | george | scsi is great and all... but the linux scsi implementation only allowed 16 partitions per drive |
| 22:59.37 | george | and in my case I needed it to see MANY more |
| 22:59.38 | raz0 | They are now in a common 'Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers' menu. |
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| 22:59.59 | SimAtWork | george: only 16 partitions per drive, are you sure? |
| 23:00.06 | george | yep |
| 23:00.09 | SimAtWork | george: that seems awful low.... but what did you need so many for ? |
| 23:00.21 | raz0 | Right. It's not so great if the initrd-creating scripts assume that the drives don't go changing their name though. :< |
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| 23:00.27 | george | 250g drive, many demo linuxes and some wins |
| 23:00.51 | george | raz0: oh, install the kernel again :) |
| 23:01.12 | raz0 | george, What would that help? I can't boot with the new kernel because of it. :| |
| 23:01.16 | george | the initrd-creating scripts are inside the kernel install |
| 23:01.32 | george | oh, update your grub or lilo.conf |
| 23:01.55 | raz0 | That won't help. It's a script INSIDE the initrd that assumes the name. |
| 23:02.16 | george | which is built by kernel install |
| 23:02.25 | george | but you can also mount the initrd and edit |
| 23:02.36 | SimAtWork | george: where did you hit the limit of 16? |
| 23:02.42 | george | at home |
| 23:02.47 | george | :) |
| 23:02.57 | raz0 | george, Hmm yeah. I guess I need to do that though. |
| 23:03.00 | george | wadda u mean where? :) |
| 23:03.05 | SimAtWork | like using fdisk |
| 23:03.08 | SimAtWork | or when mounting |
| 23:03.09 | SimAtWork | or ? |
| 23:03.23 | SimAtWork | 16 partitions is an awful lot though.. |
| 23:03.30 | SimAtWork | i guess it's not surprising that i have not hit that before.. |
| 23:03.31 | george | not for that app |
| 23:03.33 | raz0 | Though I'm still not sure if it's just me that messed up, though I can't see what I should have messed up. |
| 23:03.38 | george | I wanted like 50 |
| 23:03.40 | Sayers | Grr, I don't know of any games I want :( |
| 23:03.53 | george | originally anyway |
| 23:04.08 | SimAtWork | so what did you do? |
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| 23:04.15 | george | compromised :P |
| 23:04.18 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 23:04.29 | SimAtWork | i just created more than 16 partitions on a scsi drive |
| 23:04.30 | Sayers | I have a question; I have KDE and GNOME but how do I run KDE |
| 23:04.31 | SimAtWork | it seems ok |
| 23:04.33 | george | unseensoul: I see you! |
| 23:04.38 | unseensoul | george, lol |
| 23:04.44 | SimAtWork | 21 in total |
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| 23:05.00 | george | SimAtWork: but when you try to use them can you? |
| 23:05.20 | SimAtWork | hrm |
| 23:05.24 | SimAtWork | aparantly not |
| 23:05.44 | george | that's the current problem... but solutions are in the works already |
| 23:05.47 | SimAtWork | maybe i need to change udev |
| 23:06.03 | SimAtWork | oh well |
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| 23:06.22 | unseensoul | there is any problem using the parameter --scripts with alien? |
| 23:06.31 | raz0 | I don't love manually editting initrd images. :| |
| 23:06.32 | george | and I'm not sure what they are yet, but it has to do with allocating major/minor numbers from a larger pool |
| 23:06.38 | aRJAy | how do I install telnet and SSH ? :) |
| 23:06.55 | george | aRJAy: apt-get install ssh telnet |
| 23:07.07 | buggarage | !telnet |
| 23:07.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, telnet is an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. It is very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using ssh instead. see telnet-ssl, this one has encryption and certificates support (but that's useless without a remote telnetd-ssl except to play and telnet to an https web server) |
| 23:07.11 | george | now that your connection is working :P |
| 23:08.03 | george | yeah, telnet is not a good idea if you don't trust the entire path of the connection... in my case years ago, I couldn't even trust the local net |
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| 23:08.38 | d-snp | I fucked it all up! |
| 23:08.39 | aRJAy | yay |
| 23:08.40 | aRJAy | working |
| 23:08.50 | psychoslave | hi |
| 23:09.04 | george | heh :) d-snp I fucked it all up! aRJAy yay |
| 23:09.04 | unseensoul | there is any problem using the parameter --scripts with alien? |
| 23:09.04 | aRJAy | george: ok.. now what ? :) |
| 23:09.16 | george | I dunno :) |
| 23:09.17 | d-snp | apt-get throws errors now :( |
| 23:09.19 | d-snp | apt-get: /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6) |
| 23:09.35 | d-snp | anyone know what is wrong? nearly all my apps throws this |
| 23:09.51 | george | d-snp: so, you tried to upgrade your libs... |
| 23:09.56 | george | tisk tisk tisk :) |
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| 23:10.04 | d-snp | gcc 4.2 is experimental and didn't even touch my stuff :\ |
| 23:10.15 | d-snp | I moved them around a bit :$ |
| 23:10.28 | george | move em back :) |
| 23:10.36 | d-snp | I kinda tried to... |
| 23:10.46 | george | hope libc still works :) |
| 23:10.56 | d-snp | what will that get me? :P |
| 23:11.10 | d-snp | isn't there a de-fuckup button? |
| 23:11.13 | george | most of your functionality :) |
| 23:11.17 | george | haha :) |
| 23:11.25 | george | no... |
| 23:11.31 | d-snp | I count apt-get and firefox to my most basic of functionalities :P |
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| 23:11.43 | adamt | Hi again. |
| 23:11.44 | d-snp | firefox to find the solution and apt-get to install it :P |
| 23:11.59 | buggarage | !hi |
| 23:11.59 | dpkg | hello, buggarage |
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| 23:12.03 | buggarage | whoa |
| 23:12.06 | buggarage | nice |
| 23:12.08 | buggarage | lol |
| 23:12.13 | george | I'm teasing you a little... but maybe you didn't know that if you alter libs that were dynamically linked against most of your apps, they would all fail |
| 23:12.24 | buggarage | botty where am i gonna nod now ? |
| 23:12.47 | d-snp | I didn't really alter em, I renamed them, trying to find a perpetrator.. then renamed em back |
| 23:12.55 | adamt | Earlier i asked about installing debian without cd-rom/floppy and people said usb.. sure thing, but everything i tries results in "missing operating system" when i boots from the device |
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| 23:13.03 | d-snp | but they shouldn't be linked against /aw/maya7.0/lib would they? |
| 23:13.06 | george | d-snp: hmm |
| 23:13.31 | raz0 | Argh. How do I mount a initrd image after gunzipping it? |
| 23:13.32 | george | look in your /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 23:13.54 | GTX | How do I make a virtual interface based on eth0 with an ip, netmask and another default gateway? |
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| 23:14.04 | george | make sure it's right and doesn't go anywhere besides /lib /usr/lib /usr/local/lib for now |
| 23:14.09 | adamt | here is the dir-listing of the device: http://pastebin.antistof.dk/28 |
| 23:14.13 | george | then ldconfig -v |
| 23:14.32 | dendrite | GTX: Create a stanza in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0:1 |
| 23:14.37 | d-snp | include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
| 23:14.37 | d-snp | /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 23:14.40 | SpComb | hmm... the installer doesn't like my IDE drive |
| 23:14.48 | GTX | dendrite, without doing it in /etc/network/interfaces - just need to use ifconfig atm |
| 23:15.06 | george | wow, what do you have in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
| 23:15.14 | george | and do an ls -A in there |
| 23:15.28 | george | make sure you see hidden files |
| 23:15.39 | george | also do you have sash? |
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| 23:15.49 | SpComb | hmm |
| 23:15.55 | d-snp | tinco@tinco:/etc/ld.so.conf.d$ cat i486-linux-gnu |
| 23:15.55 | d-snp | # Multiarch support |
| 23:15.55 | d-snp | /lib/i486-linux-gnu |
| 23:15.55 | d-snp | /usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu |
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| 23:16.03 | SpComb | there's something weird going on here |
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| 23:16.10 | d-snp | oops |
| 23:16.27 | d-snp | srry bout that |
| 23:16.28 | george | I guess you can't use a pastebin at the moment given you can't use a browser |
| 23:16.48 | d-snp | :P |
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| 23:16.55 | d-snp | I could try links2 |
| 23:17.00 | d-snp | :P |
| 23:17.03 | george | you could |
| 23:17.09 | d-snp | but that's it |
| 23:17.22 | george | hopefully it's not linked against libstdc++ |
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| 23:17.25 | d-snp | should I do that ldconfig -v? |
| 23:17.50 | adamt | ohh no, you could also try links and lynx, and sending raw-date with curl if you are real hardcore. |
| 23:18.00 | george | what's in that dir? what files? ls -A /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
| 23:18.02 | adamt | *data *really |
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| 23:18.06 | d-snp | lol, man throws the error too :| |
| 23:18.30 | Sayers | How do I run somthing with WINE |
| 23:18.33 | SpComb | woot |
| 23:18.33 | d-snp | a file adding multiarch support |
| 23:18.37 | SpComb | installing the debian case system |
| 23:18.44 | adamt | Sayers: wine blabla.exe |
| 23:18.44 | SpComb | *base |
| 23:18.46 | Sayers | Nevermind it's automatic |
| 23:18.48 | george | d-snp: no other files? |
| 23:18.53 | d-snp | nope |
| 23:18.59 | dendrite | d-snp: You may be able to dehose by booting with a rescue media, and installing/copying back a sane libc. |
| 23:19.03 | george | and you used ls -A? |
| 23:19.09 | d-snp | yes |
| 23:19.13 | SpComb | a bit *doh* |
| 23:19.13 | raz0 | !mount initrd |
| 23:19.18 | raz0 | Hmm. :\ |
| 23:19.30 | george | ok, on one line: |
| 23:19.50 | Sayers | msg dpsk |
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| 23:19.53 | Sayers | Oops |
| 23:19.59 | Sayers | What's the help bot's name? |
| 23:20.03 | raz0 | dpkg |
| 23:20.06 | george | rm /etc/ld.so.cache ; ldconfig -v |
| 23:20.23 | Sayers | MSG dpkg |
| 23:20.29 | Sayers | !msg dpkg hi |
| 23:20.32 | SpComb | if I want to turn this sarge into etch, should I install the desktop package or not? |
| 23:20.35 | Sayers | Grr. |
| 23:20.40 | george | use / |
| 23:21.03 | george | one advantage: we won't see your dpkg conversation :) |
| 23:21.26 | george | SpComb: not yet |
| 23:21.33 | SpComb | should I keep as close to the base system as possible or install stuff so that it gets upgraded? |
| 23:21.40 | george | in fact don't install anything yet |
| 23:21.44 | SpComb | okay |
| 23:21.48 | george | upgrade first, then add stuff |
| 23:22.03 | SpComb | I can run base-reconfigure after dist-upgrade, right? |
| 23:22.08 | d-snp | apt-get works again :D |
| 23:22.09 | GTX | Is there anyway to add a default gateway to virtual eth0 device? ie eth0:1 |
| 23:22.15 | GTX | instead of it using normal gateway |
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| 23:22.16 | george | right, start with sarge base, then upgrade sarge base to etch |
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| 23:22.26 | george | see if that works |
| 23:22.32 | Sayers | Hey George, were you here yesterday to help me install java? |
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| 23:22.37 | d-snp | what is this ldconfig for automagical fixoring thing? :P |
| 23:22.46 | george | Sayers: I tried |
| 23:22.51 | adamt | SpComb: edit your sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade.. |
| 23:22.53 | Sayers | Yes; what was the manual file ? |
| 23:22.55 | george | wait, we succeeded didn't we |
| 23:23.01 | Sayers | nope; |
| 23:23.09 | Sayers | How we took a bin file, and made it a .deb |
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| 23:23.12 | SpComb | adamt: dist-upgrade? |
| 23:23.15 | Sayers | and then dpkg -i it |
| 23:23.16 | george | d-snp: it resets the lib links |
| 23:23.32 | george | Sayers: make-jpkg |
| 23:23.53 | d-snp | that's great |
| 23:24.07 | adamt | SpComb: ohh yeah |
| 23:24.09 | wah | hi. i removed grub and did an "apt-get install lilo". debian didn't create a "/etc/lilo.conf" for me. can debian create one for me automatically and if so, how? |
| 23:24.14 | d-snp | now I'm back with only the maya error :P |
| 23:24.35 | SpComb | will that also give me a new 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:24.36 | george | d-snp: look into all the gory details of dynamic linking if you want to know a lot more, maybe more than you ever wanted to know :) |
| 23:24.50 | george | SpComb: not necessarily |
| 23:24.57 | george | but maybe |
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| 23:25.22 | SpComb | I need a 2.6 kernel for my thinkpad |
| 23:25.44 | d-snp | thanks george |
| 23:25.45 | d-snp | :P |
| 23:25.50 | george | welcome |
| 23:26.12 | adamt | SpComb: no idea. |
| 23:26.25 | SpComb | ah well, I can always install it seperatly |
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| 23:26.45 | SpComb | but I'd like to get my sarge install into something that's exactly like what an etch install would look like out of the box |
| 23:27.12 | george | not sure that's going to be possible, for one thing because right now etch is a moving target |
| 23:27.19 | george | sarge is not |
| 23:27.27 | SpComb | hmm... |
| 23:27.43 | SpComb | I did a s/stable/testing/ in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:27.55 | george | but it will be close... the process you see will not at all look the same |
| 23:28.08 | SpComb | and now a update (done) and now dist-upgrade (will take a while) |
| 23:28.16 | george | but the result will be very similar |
| 23:28.26 | SpComb | I've grown to hate sarge for using it for a year :P |
| 23:28.41 | SpComb | etch is a lot better, e.g. UTF-8 |
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| 23:28.53 | george | why? it works, it's solid, it's... well... stable |
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| 23:29.07 | SpComb | and old |
| 23:29.20 | SpComb | no python 2.5 in sarge, for instance |
| 23:29.20 | george | you can build any new thing you want |
| 23:29.22 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:29.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:29.30 | cwheeler | george the LVM-HOWTO has the answers (http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/extendlv.html) |
| 23:29.51 | george | cwheeler: what turned out to be the problem? |
| 23:30.10 | Monteiro | i wanted to install debian etch with net instalation but the instalation doesnt detect my wireless card, i've to put some aditional command or something ? (i'ev a intel wireless 3945ABG) |
| 23:30.15 | SpComb | and I haven't had any stability problems with etch... other than with unstable, we have that on one of the school servers and it's not fun :/ |
| 23:30.28 | cwheeler | have to use /dev/Debian/home not /dev/mapper/Debian-home |
| 23:30.42 | george | ohh right |
| 23:30.44 | cwheeler | of course now the question is how do they differ |
| 23:30.53 | george | so Debian is the name of your vg |
| 23:30.58 | cwheeler | yes |
| 23:31.06 | d-snp | where would I obtain the file libGLU.so.1.3 ? |
| 23:31.16 | eeyore- | Monteiro: is that the intel pro/wireless? kernel 2.6 supports it |
| 23:31.17 | cwheeler | I didn't know what the name was since setup installed it |
| 23:31.36 | cwheeler | vgdisplay tell the vgs |
| 23:31.50 | Monteiro | eeyore- : yes it is, but when i'm trying to do dhcp as always do , it says dhcp has failed |
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| 23:31.56 | george | well you can use /dev/mapper/... for the devices when you mount them, but things like lvextend parses the device you give it |
| 23:32.25 | george | yaknow something, I think that's a user interface bug... the userland should try to find out |
| 23:33.00 | eeyore- | Monteiro: maybe you're bound to someone else' AP? |
| 23:33.24 | Monteiro | eeyore-: yes i've a router |
| 23:33.43 | george | eeyore-: how can he find otu |
| 23:34.11 | Monteiro | eeyore-: if i set up network manually that works ? |
| 23:34.45 | abrotman | you can use the wireless tools to see the SSID |
| 23:34.50 | eeyore- | Monteiro: iwconfig will tell you |
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| 23:35.07 | george | I gotta get into this wireless thing... |
| 23:35.10 | george | someday... |
| 23:35.13 | Monteiro | eeyore-: it says no wireless extensions |
| 23:35.18 | eeyore- | Monteiro: without knowing more, at this point my guess is, yes, you probably just accidentally hopped on to your neighbour's AP |
| 23:35.36 | Sayers | Where did it DPKG to there George? |
| 23:35.51 | eeyore- | Monteiro: oh? what's the wireless interface's name? eth1? |
| 23:36.05 | george | dunno, but dpkg can give you a list of its files |
| 23:36.11 | abrotman | ifconfig -a will show the alias .. |
| 23:36.43 | d-snp | george perhaps you know where I could find libGLU.so files on the internet? |
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| 23:36.46 | Monteiro | eeyore-: eth1 shows a strange mac address |
| 23:36.52 | abrotman | strange ? |
| 23:37.08 | abrotman | !tell d-snp about search |
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| 23:37.18 | george | this intel abg thing, is it available as a pci card and a pcmcia cardbus? |
| 23:37.34 | abrotman | check newegg or ask #hardware |
| 23:37.36 | eeyore- | Monteiro: that's probably the pro/wireless adaptor. did iwconfig really say no wireless extensions for eth1? |
| 23:37.44 | Monteiro | eeyore-: yes |
| 23:37.52 | george | is it ap-able? |
| 23:37.55 | abrotman | george: i know they come in mini-pci |
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| 23:38.01 | eeyore- | Monteiro: what kernel are you running, and what is the wireless tools you run? |
| 23:38.19 | george | hmm, dunno if I have minipci slots on my mobo |
| 23:38.25 | abrotman | desktop ? |
| 23:38.26 | eeyore- | george: unlikely |
| 23:38.31 | george | yeah |
| 23:38.33 | eeyore- | george: unless you have mini-itx boards |
| 23:38.34 | Monteiro | eeyore-: i'm trying to install debian etch that comes with kernel 2.6.16-2-486 |
| 23:38.49 | eeyore- | george: even then, only a few mini-itx have mini-pci slots |
| 23:38.50 | abrotman | george: doubtful .. and i'm not sure intel makes PCI cards |
| 23:39.13 | psychoslave | will the next release have a nive spash boot? |
| 23:39.20 | psychoslave | nice* |
| 23:39.24 | cwheeler | mission accopmlished :) that was pretty cool |
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| 23:39.45 | george | cwheeler: eckxxxelent :) |
| 23:40.03 | abrotman | psychonate: probably not .. but it is an option for you to setup |
| 23:40.27 | SpComb | hmm |
| 23:40.50 | abrotman | there's bootsplash and usplash |
| 23:40.53 | eeyore- | Monteiro: no idea then ... iwconfig should have handled that card just fine. what's the name of the driver? |
| 23:40.55 | george | ok, what's my best bet for getting a fairly high-speed card I can do linux ap on? |
| 23:41.03 | eeyore- | (and gensplash) |
| 23:41.04 | abrotman | george: ask #wireless |
| 23:41.15 | abrotman | eeyore-: in etch ? |
| 23:41.20 | eeyore- | no, gentoo :-) |
| 23:41.23 | george | will they pass the buck to ##linux? :P |
| 23:41.23 | Monteiro | eeyore-: how i know that ? lspci ? |
| 23:41.25 | eeyore- | (ahem) |
| 23:41.35 | eeyore- | Monteiro: lsmod |
| 23:41.44 | abrotman | george: probably not .. just ask for a PCI card that does AP in linux |
| 23:41.55 | eeyore- | george: prism2/3 |
| 23:42.04 | SpComb | hmm |
| 23:42.06 | abrotman | yeah .. prism54.org might be of help |
| 23:42.15 | d-snp | abrotman: so I've tried these things, found nothing, and now? :P |
| 23:42.16 | george | how can I be sure to get prism chipset tho? |
| 23:42.17 | eeyore- | george: and i *think* atheros, but verify. check the madwifi-ng project if atheros will work in AP mode |
| 23:42.20 | SpComb | for some reason all the linux-image-2.6-686 related packages are unauthenticated |
| 23:42.21 | Monteiro | eeyore-: eth1394 i think |
| 23:42.25 | eeyore- | george: it's pretty damn hard now |
| 23:42.31 | abrotman | SpComb: did you put the key in ? |
| 23:42.33 | SpComb | wait, they're all unauthenticated |
| 23:42.33 | eeyore- | Monteiro: no, that's Ethernet over IEEE1394 (firewire) |
| 23:42.43 | SpComb | what key in where? |
| 23:42.54 | psychoslave | abrotman, hmm, but it's not in the default install, is it? |
| 23:42.56 | george | eeyore-: because the same exact model could have different chipsets? |
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| 23:43.06 | george | or why/why else? |
| 23:43.11 | Monteiro | eeyore-: maybe is not loaded |
| 23:43.12 | abrotman | psychonate: nope .. bootslashes don't work on everyone's machine |
| 23:43.13 | eeyore- | george: yes |
| 23:43.18 | abrotman | bootsplashes :) |
| 23:43.24 | yos | i use Debian Sarge ..and i need php5-socket |
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| 23:43.33 | abrotman | yos: check backports.org |
| 23:43.35 | yos | is in debian "php5-socket" ? |
| 23:43.42 | eeyore- | george: these days you're more likely to get atheros |
| 23:43.44 | SpComb | there's no php5 in sarge |
| 23:43.51 | SpComb | you have to use backports to get anything php5 related |
| 23:43.52 | x_0r | where is the dam file where it has localhost 127.0.0.1 in and whats it called? |
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| 23:44.09 | george | eeyore-: and again, I could spend on a card and not get the chipset I want too? |
| 23:44.09 | eeyore- | the other day i bought a cheapie pcmcia a/b/g card. turned out it's a Texas Instruments ACX chipset. POS. |
| 23:44.14 | yos | Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
| 23:44.17 | eeyore- | george: yeah |
| 23:44.30 | abrotman | yos: that's not sarge |
| 23:44.35 | abrotman | x_0r: /etc/hosts |
| 23:44.36 | cwheeler | ohoh the nameserver broke |
| 23:44.37 | george | so really the only way to do it is get a used card |
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| 23:44.41 | yos | abrotman OK |
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| 23:44.47 | xai | anyone have dependency problems in sarge: evolution and cupsys ? |
| 23:44.51 | x_0r | i think mines fucked up lol |
| 23:44.56 | cwheeler | If I were to install Debian now what's the best choice, testing? |
| 23:44.59 | psychoslave | abrotman, so it could ask if the user want to intall it if supported when you make an install, couldn't it? |
| 23:45.00 | Monteiro | eeyore-: it is not loaded, it is the ipw3945 , but is not on the kernel :( |
| 23:45.02 | abrotman | x_0r: so fix it |
| 23:45.04 | x_0r | nvm |
| 23:45.04 | eeyore- | george: or go to Fry's, buy a card, plug it in. if it doesn't work, return for money back :-) |
| 23:45.10 | xai | I can't seem to install evolution anymore, anyone know if there is an issue ? |
| 23:45.19 | george | eeyore-: I' |
| 23:45.22 | abrotman | psychonate: i suppose .... you can make such a request if you'd like |
| 23:45.24 | yos | hoe can i get then php5-socket ...in my etc/source.list i add backports.org |
| 23:45.33 | abrotman | xai: be more specific |
| 23:45.36 | george | d have to camp out at cousin's place for a few days |
| 23:45.38 | x_0r | trying to use mysql admin its not connecting |
| 23:45.42 | eeyore- | Monteiro: mmmmm, recompile kernel then? |
| 23:45.45 | yos | have i use apt-get install php5-socket ...will say nOT EXIST |
| 23:45.53 | abrotman | yos: nope .. it doesn't |
| 23:46.05 | abrotman | x_0r: that file is pretty basic |
| 23:46.13 | george | you would either have to look at backports OR build it yourself |
| 23:46.19 | abrotman | george: he has etch/sid |
| 23:46.19 | psychoslave | abrotman, where do I go to ask that? |
| 23:46.23 | eeyore- | Monteiro: i believe you can get the driver straight from intel, that doesn't require you to recompile kernel |
| 23:46.24 | yos | so what is the command to install php5-socket |
| 23:46.25 | george | ohh |
| 23:46.31 | george | so it should exist for him? |
| 23:46.31 | eeyore- | http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/INSTALL |
| 23:46.33 | abrotman | psychonate: maybe start with the debian-user mailing list |
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| 23:46.43 | abrotman | george: it doesn't exist at all afaict |
| 23:46.54 | george | even outside debian? |
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| 23:47.04 | abrotman | dunno .. that'd be a ##php question :) |
| 23:47.05 | nokrev | whenever I but Debian with my monitor turned off, X11 will fail to start, as no screens are found. Is there any way to force it to turn on, and just be happy until I turn on the monitor? |
| 23:47.09 | Monteiro | eeyore-: the problem is that i'm on the debian etch instalation |
| 23:47.10 | yos | any DOCS how To ?? php5-socket |
| 23:47.11 | george | oh :) |
| 23:47.13 | x_0r\ | trying to use mysql admin its not connecting |
| 23:47.22 | eeyore- | Monteiro: must you install over wireless? |
| 23:47.22 | george | !repeet |
| 23:47.22 | dpkg | peet and repeet sat on a fence... peet fell off, who was left? |
| 23:47.29 | abrotman | x_0r\: so give us errors |
| 23:47.44 | Monteiro | eeyore-: yes |
| 23:47.47 | yos | any DOC`S how To install ?? php5-socket |
| 23:47.49 | xai | abrotman: i'll have to post a pastbin. |
| 23:47.50 | abrotman | ask ##php |
| 23:47.53 | abrotman | !paster |
| 23:47.53 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 23:48.00 | yos | ok thanks |
| 23:48.00 | x_0r\ | it just says it cant connect to 192.168.1.100 its running lol |
| 23:48.04 | eeyore- | Monteiro: that's asking a lot. even XP can't be installed over wireless, and it doesn't support some drivers out of the box ... |
| 23:48.21 | george | x_0r\: what port is it running on? |
| 23:48.23 | eeyore- | Monteiro: go grab yourself a wired NIC and save yourself a world of trouble |
| 23:48.27 | x_0r\ | 3306 |
| 23:48.27 | abrotman | x_0r: that's not localhost |
| 23:48.39 | x_0r\ | im trying to connect to my linux box |
| 23:48.39 | abrotman | is mysqld listening on eth0 ? |
| 23:48.41 | Monteiro | eeyore-: i don't know if the netinstall can download the driver i wanted |
| 23:48.42 | eeyore- | Monteiro: or, find someone who's willing to compile the module just for you |
| 23:48.46 | x_0r\ | from my laptop to admin mysql |
| 23:48.52 | abrotman | x_0r\: which version of debian ? |
| 23:48.54 | x_0r\ | i think so lol |
| 23:49.02 | x_0r\ | 3.1 i think |
| 23:49.12 | abrotman | x_0r\: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 23:49.34 | Monteiro | eeyore-: i can put the network cable that goes to this pc, to my laptop |
| 23:49.43 | x_0r\ | x0r@hacked:~$ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:49.43 | x_0r\ | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 23:49.43 | x_0r\ | x0r@hacked:~$ |
| 23:49.55 | abrotman | we only needed one line :) |
| 23:49.59 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 23:50.11 | george | x_0r\: pls just the output next time... it was one line :) |
| 23:50.13 | abrotman | x_0r\: mysqld by default doesn't listen on eth0 .. |
| 23:50.15 | x_0r\ | sorry lol |
| 23:50.27 | x_0r\ | how do i fix that? |
| 23:50.32 | PointyPumper | add a binding |
| 23:50.39 | abrotman | x_0r\: configure it correctly |
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| 23:50.50 | x_0r\ | so like where bind 127.0.0.1 i put what? |
| 23:50.55 | PointyPumper | in /etc/mysql/my.conf |
| 23:50.59 | george | what if now all 614 other people wrote you a pm that said "stop dat!" |
| 23:51.00 | abrotman | x_0r\: is mysql_admin running on the box ? |
| 23:51.14 | x_0r\ | no its on my windows box lol |
| 23:51.25 | george | then you'd temporarily be hatin life :) |
| 23:51.40 | abrotman | so configure /etc/mysql/my.cnf to listen on eth0 .. the docs at mysql.com should cover this |
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| 23:52.15 | DaveyB | What's a good FTP client with a GUI that runs in gnome |
| 23:52.24 | cwheeler | what's Debians default run level 2? |
| 23:52.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:53.14 | abrotman | DaveyB: nautilus can do ftp |
| 23:53.24 | SpComb | woot! |
| 23:53.26 | SpComb | 2.6 <3 |
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| 23:53.31 | DaveyB | thankyou abrotman |
| 23:53.49 | x_0r\ | cant find it |
| 23:53.50 | abrotman | you're welcome |
| 23:53.58 | abrotman | x_0r\: "it" being ? |
| 23:53.59 | SpComb | how can I run the install thingie that gets run on the first startup? |
| 23:54.07 | abrotman | thingie ? |
| 23:54.07 | Rawplayer | hello, does anyone of you guys have a nice "howto" to create a raid0 setup during a debian install on a sparc64 machine |
| 23:54.09 | SpComb | or how can I install the Desktop package from there? |
| 23:54.13 | abrotman | tasksel |
| 23:54.16 | x_0r\ | the doc explaining how to configure the eth0 binding |
| 23:54.17 | Rawplayer | notice the sparc64 |
| 23:54.22 | yos | php.net/sockets for php5-socket is no .tgz tar files ? only scripts |
| 23:54.34 | abrotman | yos: ask ##php |
| 23:54.39 | Rawplayer | with the current sarge cdrom you cant use raid |
| 23:54.45 | Rawplayer | on sparc64 that is |
| 23:55.25 | Monteiro | eeyore-: there is any solution that doens involve to compile the kernel or doesnt install without network support ? |
| 23:55.27 | yos | i come from theer abrotman |
| 23:55.38 | abrotman | yos: it's not packaged for debian |
| 23:55.40 | SpComb | heh, xorg sure has a lot of dependancies |
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| 23:56.01 | abrotman | x_0r\: section 5.7 ? |
| 23:56.18 | yos | so i will not be able to run then my files ? what need php5-socket |
| 23:56.41 | yos | lock |
| 23:56.42 | yos | [00:56:14:] <Wolfy[comicing]> yos: #yourdistro, please. |
| 23:56.47 | yos | they send me hier :) |
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| 23:57.11 | abrotman | heck .. read all of Chapter 5 |
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| 23:57.25 | x_0r\ | just change 127.0.0.1? |
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| 23:57.31 | abrotman | yos: it's not packaged for Debian .. ask them where the install file is and maybe we can start to help you |
| 23:57.43 | abrotman | erm .. install docs |
| 23:57.51 | dn4 | what are some popular games to play in linux online |
| 23:57.53 | SpComb | wow |
| 23:57.55 | SpComb | ion3 |
| 23:58.00 | SpComb | works right out the box |
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| 23:58.01 | SpComb | <3 |
| 23:58.05 | SpComb | mouse and all |
| 23:58.12 | yos | abrotman : aha OK i will. :) |
| 23:58.15 | SpComb | sweet, gotta love debian |
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| 23:58.31 | abrotman | dn4: what kind of game ? |
| 23:58.36 | x_0r\ | how can i restart it? |
| 23:58.41 | x_0r\ | mysql |
| 23:58.42 | abrotman | use the init script |
| 23:58.45 | dn4 | abrotman, the games that you don't have to pay for :) |
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| 23:59.06 | abrotman | dn4: yes .. shooters? RPG? puzzle? |
| 23:59.36 | x_0r\ | ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'x0r@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
| 23:59.45 | abrotman | you need to learn how to use mysql |
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