| 00:00.27 | aalex | when I boot the install CD, it gets stuck at atartup time at : Setting 2 in the phys_id_present_map ....changing IO-APIC physical APIC ID to 2 .... ok. ....TIMER: vector=0x31 pin1=2 pin2=0 |
| 00:00.29 | monteiro | jelly-home : i tried to install the latest ieee80211 , but the same think happened , nothing worked :( |
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| 00:00.42 | pumpkin0 | unseensoul: nope. It has several show-stoppers (depends on the gfx-driver) in the default-config. All marked as bugs in the tracking page. |
| 00:01.34 | aalex | anyone has an idea about this startup bug ? |
| 00:01.58 | aalex | it saiys right before "ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs" |
| 00:02.16 | pumpkin0 | unseensoul: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=compiz;dist=unstable . #390319 and #390503 were the buggers here. |
| 00:02.35 | monteiro | jelly-home : i've ieee80211 1.1.14 and they ask for 1.1.11, so its ok |
| 00:02.43 | Lakez | anyone know? |
| 00:02.56 | jelly-home | monteiro: when I tried to install newer ipw2200 drivers via module-assistant, I found several breakages. First, I had to install ieee80211 first. Even so, the packages built from newer version of ieee80211 were a bit broken with regards to header files, and I couldn't compile newer ipw2200. |
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| 00:03.07 | pumpkin0 | Lakez: you want to check /etc/init.d and /etc/rc2.d. |
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| 00:03.19 | Lakez | pumpkin0, to control which kernel gets booted? ok |
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| 00:03.39 | unseensoul | pumpkin0, thanks :) |
| 00:03.59 | pumpkin0 | Lakez: no, to controll what getīs started after the kernel is done. the kernel is in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:04.18 | jelly-home | monteiro: how do you handle having both kernel's ieee80211 ("git-1.1.7" in 2.6.17 AFAICT) and you own? |
| 00:04.35 | Lakez | pumpkin0, ya i gotta tell it to boot the k8 kernel instead of generic, thanks man.. i'll look in boot/gru |
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| 00:04.57 | monteiro | jelly-home : my own kernel is the source, of the image kernel that comes with debian, i just compiled and used the image. |
| 00:05.31 | jelly-home | monteiro: With Debian's .config? |
| 00:05.39 | monteiro | jelly-home : yes, that is in /boot |
| 00:05.42 | Lakez | pumpkin0, sweet i see it, thank you. The k8 kernel works flawlessly .. whereas generic screws up with my nic |
| 00:05.55 | jelly-home | monteiro: if yes, you might be using kernel's ieee80211 not your own. |
| 00:06.14 | jelly-home | monteiro: what version does "modinfo ieee80211" report? |
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| 00:06.32 | monteiro | jelly-home, 1.1.14 |
| 00:07.00 | jelly-home | monteiro: great. I don't know what's the problem then. ;-) |
| 00:07.45 | jelly-home | monteiro: maybe try #ipw2100 or #wireless |
| 00:07.50 | monteiro | jelly-home : i'm really tired of this :( the only think it misses is only the driver, when i do dmesg it says that method has one argument more, versions :( |
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| 00:08.08 | Lakez | dammit, i selected k8-recovery heh.. forgot to count 0 ;) |
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| 00:09.47 | jelly-home | monteiro: #ipw2100 is for all ipw* drivers, name of the channel notwithstanding |
| 00:10.14 | monteiro | ok :) |
| 00:10.16 | monteiro | tks |
| 00:10.31 | jelly-home | np |
| 00:11.00 | jelly-home | my ipw2200 works out of the box in 2.6.17+ and I'm very happy about that. ;-) |
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| 00:11.46 | jelly-home | It was really a PITA to mix and match m-a and versions of ieee80211, ipw2200, firmware... bah. |
| 00:11.46 | monteiro | jelly-home : when i had ubuntu, it worked out of box, but in debian i'm sad :( |
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| 00:12.03 | jelly-home | Yeah, that's one of the nice things with Ubuntu. |
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| 00:12.27 | dvs | If it works, it works |
| 00:12.58 | laurens | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.00 | monteiro | jelly-home : maybe the 2.6.18 kernel has ipw3945 ? |
| 00:13.57 | Lakez | what is the difference between "address" and "network" in interfaces? I see the manpage notes but 2.0.* kernels require "network" and i'm wondering what exactly it is |
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| 00:15.05 | Feax | abrotman: windows deleted grub.. |
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| 00:15.23 | pumpkin0 | Feax: removed grub or removed the partitions ? |
| 00:15.59 | Lakez | anyone know? |
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| 00:16.17 | Lakez | I'm specifying the static ip address stuff, wondering what the "network" means ... /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:16.29 | jelly-home | monteiro: it's not in the tree of vanilla 2.6.18. |
| 00:16.55 | dvs | Lakez: it is the IP "address" of the network. |
| 00:16.58 | Feax | pumpkin0 grub I think, how can I reinstall grub now ? I don't know what os thename of the partition where there is /home :S |
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| 00:17.34 | pumpkin0 | Feax: you only need a liveCD (or grub-floppy) and the name of the /-parition. |
| 00:17.38 | monteiro | jelly-home : see this : http://grml.org/kernel/ hmm :) |
| 00:17.43 | Lakez | dvs, so like.. 192.168.1.0-255 .. what would it be? 192.168.1.0 ? |
| 00:17.59 | dvs | Lakez: yes |
| 00:18.10 | Lakez | i would have thought address+netmask+gateway would take care of it, why the need for another ? |
| 00:18.17 | Feax | pumpkin0 I don't know the name, what is the default name ? |
| 00:18.45 | jelly-home | monteiro: heh, actually, I install the very machine I'm typing on now (Thinkpad Z60m) by copying over my old Debian disk and using grml kernel+module packages. ;-) |
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| 00:18.53 | dvs | Lakez: it isn't mandatory |
| 00:19.04 | Lakez | dvs, but why the need for it? |
| 00:19.11 | dvs | dunno |
| 00:19.15 | pumpkin0 | Feax: try /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 ... hda4. |
| 00:19.40 | monteiro | jelly-home : i just have to download the patch ? |
| 00:19.41 | Feax | pumpkin0 I installed debian wo |
| 00:19.52 | Feax | pumpkin0 I installed debian without changin anything, so it is what ? |
| 00:20.16 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 00:20.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 00:20.35 | pumpkin0 | Feax: should be /dev/hda1, but there is no harm in trying to mount hda1 - hda4 ... the first one that mounts and contains /boot ... |
| 00:20.57 | Feax | pumpkin0 it is /dev/sda if it is SATA ? |
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| 00:21.36 | pumpkin0 | Feax: yes. And SATA makes the whole thing a good deal more complex. |
| 00:22.24 | Feax | pumpkin0 why ? |
| 00:22.29 | jelly-home | monteiro: If I were you I'd download the binary linux-image-* packages from their repository and install them ;-) |
| 00:23.00 | jelly-home | monteiro: but the patch(set) would work too, I suppose. |
| 00:23.14 | monteiro | jelly-home : you're right downloading ... |
| 00:23.30 | pumpkin0 | Feax: SATA-controllers need fairly new driver. Some of them are not stable, most of them are not on the standard rescue-floopies. good luck. |
| 00:23.51 | monteiro | jelly-home : spending hours compiling the kernel! no hehe |
| 00:24.44 | Feax | pumpkin0 with which live CD can I reinstall grub ? |
| 00:25.06 | pumpkin0 | Feax: the debian-netinstall CD should work. |
| 00:25.19 | pumpkin0 | Feax: but it depends on your SATA-controller... |
| 00:25.29 | Feax | pumpkin0 okay and I do what ? I boot on it and ? |
| 00:26.31 | Firestarter | what's a good html editor for debian? |
| 00:26.45 | Firestarter | I'm using open office now |
| 00:27.04 | rumpl | emacs |
| 00:27.06 | dvs | bluefish |
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| 00:27.44 | pumpkin0 | Feax: boot, wait for the first dialog. Change to a different console (ctl-atl-F2/3 ?). "cd /", "mkdir /mountpoint", "mount /dev/sda1 /mountpoint", "ls -la /mountpoint" (if itīs the wrong one you have to umount and try sda2 ...). "chroot /mountpoint". then ask here howto reinstall grub from a chroot. bye |
| 00:27.56 | landexem | My GeForce 6800 has a VGA and DVI port, but nothing is being outputted to the DVI port (using nvidia proprietary 8776 drivers). |
| 00:27.58 | landexem | How can I get X11 to treat each port as a different "Screen"? |
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| 00:28.43 | jelly-home | !dualhead |
| 00:28.43 | dpkg | well, dualhead is not a pr0n term |
| 00:28.53 | dvs | doh |
| 00:28.56 | jelly-home | that was extremely helpful |
| 00:29.10 | dvs | !xinerama |
| 00:29.10 | dpkg | [xinerama] where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
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| 00:29.47 | jelly-home | dpkg, dualhead is also see <xinerama> |
| 00:29.47 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
| 00:29.55 | jelly-home | dpkg: thanks |
| 00:29.55 | dpkg | my pleasure, jelly-home |
| 00:29.58 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 00:30.16 | monteiro | jelly-home : going to test, reboot time, brb |
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| 00:35.05 | sanmarcos | fuck nfs |
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| 00:36.26 | odla | funny that apt-cache search iceweasel shows openoffice.org2 :/ |
| 00:36.30 | odla | !fuck nfs |
| 00:38.02 | sanmarcos | why would y ou want to use iceweasel? |
| 00:38.07 | sanmarcos | is it already in sid? |
| 00:38.11 | sanmarcos | odla: --names-only |
| 00:38.12 | craigevil | nope |
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| 00:38.32 | landexem | Why isn't it in sid yet? I thought it was supposed to happen a while ago. |
| 00:38.38 | sanmarcos | are there any decent alternatives to nfs? |
| 00:38.45 | sanmarcos | is there a way I can measure lost packets in my network? |
| 00:38.57 | craigevil | the whole etch release probably |
| 00:39.17 | odla | sanmarcos: i was just seeing if it was in sid |
| 00:39.33 | sanmarcos | how can I add an entry to update-alternatives? |
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| 00:43.35 | linux2 | does anyone here know how i can have more than one sound card |
| 00:43.43 | linux2 | i keep trying to set my pci card slot as the default |
| 00:43.49 | linux2 | and then my onboard as secondary |
| 00:43.53 | linux2 | but it doesn't like me |
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| 00:44.07 | dvs | linux2: use ALSA |
| 00:44.18 | linux2 | dvs: i am |
| 00:44.18 | linux2 | and i keep running alsa conf |
| 00:44.22 | linux2 | but nothing is working |
| 00:44.34 | dvs | linux2: then you have to put the two sound card modules in /etc/modules |
| 00:45.40 | linux2 | dvs: ok i have this is /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 00:45.41 | linux2 | alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1 |
| 00:45.41 | linux2 | options snd-emu10k1 index=0 |
| 00:45.41 | linux2 | alias snd-card-1 snd-intel8x0 |
| 00:45.41 | linux2 | options snd-intel8x0 index=1 |
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| 00:45.55 | linux2 | dvs: does that work? |
| 00:45.59 | dvs | linux2: no |
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| 00:46.21 | linux2 | dvs: so then how do i get alsa conf to configure both without deleting the other |
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| 00:46.44 | dvs | linux2: you need to put "snd_end10k1" and "snd_intel8x0" and "snd_pcm_oss" into your /etc/modules file |
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| 00:47.37 | linux2 | dvs: well let me put this simply, i don't see a reason for doing that. i have my snd_emu10k1 card loaded right now and it loads at boot and its not in the modules files |
| 00:47.41 | Wyzard | or snd-card-0 and snd-card-1 |
| 00:47.55 | linux2 | Wyzard: that is what i have it set at |
| 00:48.06 | Wyzard | linux2: discover and/or udev should find your sound cards and load the drivers automatically |
| 00:48.22 | Wyzard | linux2: but it may or may not load them in the "right" order |
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| 00:48.31 | linux2 | Wyzard: it is only loading my onboard card |
| 00:48.46 | Wyzard | You have an onboard emu10k1? |
| 00:48.54 | dvs | which is why you have to put them in your /etc/modules file. To make sure they load in the right order |
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| 00:49.26 | Wyzard | You may also need to regenerate your initrd after putting them in /etc/modules, because some of that stuff gets incorporated into the initrd |
| 00:49.36 | linux2 | Wyzard: no i have an onboard nvidia sound card |
| 00:49.37 | tonyb_evil2test | hi |
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| 00:49.53 | linux2 | Wyzard: well if i turn of the onboard one it works fine |
| 00:49.55 | linux2 | but i want to use both |
| 00:49.56 | Wyzard | linux2: You said a minute ago that snd-emu10k1 gets loaded automatically at boot |
| 00:50.02 | linux2 | yes |
| 00:50.07 | linux2 | if i have onboard turned off |
| 00:50.09 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:50.15 | linux2 | if i have it turned on then it loads the other one |
| 00:50.25 | linux2 | even though alsa is configured to load emu10k1 |
| 00:50.37 | Wyzard | Are you able to manually load both drivers simultaneously? |
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| 00:51.31 | linux2 | Wyzard: idk, i didn't try |
| 00:52.03 | Wyzard | Check that it's even possible to load both drivers together, before you worry about trying to make it happen automatically at boot time |
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| 00:53.05 | eggleston | !am i on etch? |
| 00:53.25 | linux2 | Wyzard: well what modules should i load now? |
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| 00:53.54 | Wyzard | linux2: snd-emu10k1 and snd-intel8x0 |
| 00:53.58 | monteiro | jelly-home : hello again, i've now the module, "ipw3945: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection", the problem, when i do iwconfig, nothing is working, is there any command to make it work ? |
| 00:54.03 | sandos | my asterisk package has no user anymore.. dpkg -P asterisk asteris-classic and reinstalling does not recreate the asterisk user... |
| 00:54.11 | sandos | adding a user by myself does not seem to work : |
| 00:54.16 | sandos | =/ |
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| 00:54.40 | Wyzard | monteiro: Do you have the firmware installed for it? |
| 00:55.10 | monteiro | Wyzard : i installed the kernel from grml , i think that is all included |
| 00:55.15 | sandos | ah, solved it.. |
| 00:55.20 | Wyzard | monteiro: I don't think so |
| 00:55.22 | sandos | dpkg-reconfigure asterisk-config works |
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| 00:55.57 | jel | sandos: you probably need to check what uid and gid the original asterisk user had (do ls -l on some of its files), and then create a user that matches. |
| 00:56.04 | Wyzard | monteiro: I have an ipw2200, not an ipw3945, but I had to download a separate firmware file and put it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 00:56.20 | Wyzard | monteiro: And the's a firmware-ipw3945 package in Debian |
| 00:56.39 | pipeline | Wyzard, monteiro : The ipw3945 is more complicated. It has a binary userspace daemon and requires some modprobe configuration. |
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| 00:56.49 | Wyzard | yeah, I've heard a bit about that |
| 00:57.09 | Marco | i need aricarack |
| 00:57.10 | Wyzard | but nonetheless, it's not going to work without firmware |
| 00:57.13 | Marco | aircrack |
| 00:57.14 | monteiro | but i installed grml kernel image, with ipw3945 in it |
| 00:57.25 | monteiro | Wyzard : going to install the firmware :) |
| 00:57.29 | Fly_80 | notte a tutti |
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| 00:57.56 | Marco | please i need use aircrack |
| 00:58.11 | Wyzard | Marco: Then install it... why are you begging here? |
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| 00:58.51 | monteiro | Wyzard : yes , i know, but is more easy to install a kernel, instead of losing hours compiling a kernel |
| 00:59.25 | Wyzard | monteiro: Well, the kernel contains the driver, but you also need firmware that's not part of the kernel, plus (apparently) some sort of management daemon |
| 00:59.54 | Wyzard | monteiro: I have no idea where to get the management daemon, since I've never used an ipw3945... maybe it's included in the firmware-ipw3945 package |
| 01:00.04 | pipeline | monteiro: Install linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 and the packages from http://ajones.apparatushosting.org/ipw3945/ |
| 01:00.17 | pipeline | Wyzard: It's not, and it's a real pain in the ass to find a working combination of daemon, driver, and firmware :P |
| 01:00.35 | Wyzard | pipeline: Debian's stock kernels include the ipw3945 driver? |
| 01:00.49 | monteiro | pipeline : that works ? |
| 01:01.15 | pipeline | monteiro: Yes. They're somebody else's packages built for the newest etch kernel at the time I got my laptop :P |
| 01:01.39 | monteiro | pipeline : very good :) |
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| 01:02.04 | monteiro | pipeline : i don't need more than that 3 packages ? |
| 01:02.50 | pipeline | monteiro: Nope. That's it. Just install the packages, reboot to the 2.6.17-2-686 kernel, and run "modprobe -r ipw3945 && modprobe ipw3945" |
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| 01:03.08 | monteiro | pipeline : ok, tks :) |
| 01:03.12 | yungknight | how do i load the firmware for my wireless card? i have a "bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed." i now have the .fw files using the bcmxx fwcutter |
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| 01:08.27 | eggleston | i've just downloaded firefox 2 |
| 01:08.30 | eggleston | but there's a problem |
| 01:08.39 | bismark | ping dererk, !! |
| 01:09.12 | eggleston | it's a tar.gz of all the necessary files, but i want to know, how to i set it to be the default program to open when i run 'firefox' from anywhere. |
| 01:09.23 | eggleston | i mean, to run it i have to go into the directory and run ./firefox |
| 01:09.36 | HymnToLife | eggleston, the Ubuntu wiki has a page about it, works on debian as well |
| 01:09.54 | HymnToLife | basically, extract it somewhere and make a symlink to /usb/bin/firefox |
| 01:10.18 | Wyzard | Use /usr/local/bin, not /usr/bin |
| 01:10.29 | HymnToLife | yep sorry, my mistake |
| 01:10.53 | ToxicSun | debian doesnt let me login as root graphically and I dont know how to stop X or whatever i need to do to login as root |
| 01:10.56 | ToxicSun | any suggestions? |
| 01:10.58 | jel | eggleston: untar it to /usr/local. So, say you have a /usr/local/firefox2 dir, and the firefox binary is in that dir, called "firefox". Then make a symlink with ln -s /usr/local/firefox2/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox2 |
| 01:11.14 | HymnToLife | ToxicSun, why do you want to do such a thing ? |
| 01:11.31 | jel | ToxicSun: you don't want to do that :) |
| 01:11.40 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: It's preferred to log in as a normal user and use "su" or "sudo" in a shell to switch to root |
| 01:11.41 | ToxicSun | i just want to be able to login as root |
| 01:11.41 | h3sp4wn | eggleston: personally if I was to use that method I would put it in /opt/firefox (as it is statically linked) |
| 01:11.42 | ToxicSun | somehow |
| 01:11.51 | ToxicSun | really? |
| 01:11.54 | Coweater | ToxicSun: use Ctrl-Alt-Fn to switch to a terminal |
| 01:12.09 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: That way you have just that shell running as root, and not your entire X login session (GNOME or whatever) as root |
| 01:12.10 | ToxicSun | isnt fn a laptop key for function? |
| 01:12.12 | jel | ToxicSun: yes, really. It's one of the dumb things that made windows so insecure. |
| 01:12.19 | HymnToLife | ToxicSun, su :) |
| 01:12.35 | Coweater | ToxicSun: no, n is a variable 1-6 |
| 01:12.42 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: "Fn" in this case means "a function key", F1 through F6 |
| 01:12.48 | ToxicSun | oh! |
| 01:12.48 | ToxicSun | ok |
| 01:12.56 | ToxicSun | thank you guys |
| 01:12.59 | ToxicSun | uh |
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| 01:13.05 | ToxicSun | and i just installed |
| 01:13.09 | ToxicSun | so i didnt know my monitor information |
| 01:13.19 | Coweater | most linux system start gettys on 1-6 and X runs on 7 |
| 01:13.36 | ToxicSun | and i have a 19" monitor stuck in 800x600 so how do i change the monitor information? xorg.conf? |
| 01:14.02 | ToxicSun | and what are the values called that i want to change, its not resolution but the other numbers |
| 01:14.19 | HymnToLife | ToxicSun, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 01:14.31 | HymnToLife | or xserver-xfree86 if you're running Sarge |
| 01:14.42 | ToxicSun | how do i know if im running sarge |
| 01:14.45 | ToxicSun | im 31r3 |
| 01:14.46 | ToxicSun | i think |
| 01:14.50 | HymnToLife | that's Sarge |
| 01:15.17 | ToxicSun | so dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 01:16.23 | HymnToLife | yep |
| 01:16.23 | HymnToLife | as root |
| 01:16.32 | HymnToLife | so run "su" before |
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| 01:16.59 | HymnToLife | it will ask you a bunch of questions, if you don't know what to answer, stick with the defaults |
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| 01:17.34 | ToxicSun | ok thanks hymntolife |
| 01:17.46 | ToxicSun | i know im a newb but you guys are friendly and very helpful |
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| 01:18.03 | ToxicSun | im trying to read so i dont have to ask questions |
| 01:18.16 | ToxicSun | but its tough to read EVERYTHING.. i just dont know where to start |
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| 01:18.42 | unseensoul | there's any compiz backdoor for etch? |
| 01:18.54 | Wyzard | lol... you mean backport |
| 01:19.02 | HymnToLife | lmao |
| 01:19.02 | unseensoul | lol |
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| 01:19.07 | HymnToLife | that one made my day :p |
| 01:19.08 | unseensoul | yes |
| 01:19.25 | unseensoul | so mine |
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| 01:19.26 | unseensoul | :P |
| 01:19.37 | RvGaTe | luckyly i just logged in on my bnc a few seconds earlyer :P |
| 01:19.45 | RvGaTe | now i can rest in peace |
| 01:20.18 | phpnuborn | anyone every use text editors pico or nano or nano-tiny? |
| 01:20.27 | HymnToLife | vim :) |
| 01:20.29 | RvGaTe | nano over here |
| 01:20.57 | unseensoul | so is there any compiz backport for etch? :P |
| 01:21.35 | phpnuborn | like it? stay with it for text edits? |
| 01:22.07 | eggleston | jel, with your method i'd then have to use the command 'firefox2' to run it? |
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| 01:22.28 | Elive_user19 | Does anyone here know the situation with vservers and the kernel. It seems all the patches have disappeared and the menuconfig doesnt show the normal vserver options. Any pointers gladly accepted. |
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| 01:22.52 | petemc | Elive_user19: what about using xen? |
| 01:22.52 | RvGaTe | phpnuborn, i only use it for editing (mostly small) config files on the server... for editing code like php/html/xhtml or whatever, i use windows :P |
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| 01:23.10 | phpnuborn | me too |
| 01:23.47 | george | unix/linux was made for coding... windows was made for ripping people off |
| 01:23.54 | petemc | ... |
| 01:24.01 | RvGaTe | please dont start a flame war |
| 01:24.17 | phpnuborn | on win-xp i use textpad with php syntax highlighting for code |
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| 01:24.58 | RvGaTe | notepad++ over here |
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| 01:25.44 | ToxicSun | can i apt-get a whole new GUI |
| 01:25.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: there? |
| 01:25.49 | ToxicSun | is it that simple? |
| 01:25.57 | petemc | ToxicSun: yes |
| 01:25.58 | phpnuborn | does it do column block select/cut/copy/paste ? |
| 01:26.02 | ToxicSun | wow |
| 01:26.08 | ToxicSun | what do you guys use for gui's? |
| 01:26.11 | _fat | hi, just a simple question. starting off with system administration and programming but more into sysadmin. would c++ be a more beneficial language to utilize in the first teaching or perl? |
| 01:26.14 | tarzeau | ToxicSun: gnustep |
| 01:26.16 | george | I'm not saying they don't work |
| 01:26.28 | dondelelcaro | _fat: probably perl |
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| 01:26.44 | phpnuborn | _fat, depends on your needs? |
| 01:26.45 | dondelelcaro | _fat: knowing C is useful, but you'll actually be able to do stuff with perl faster. |
| 01:26.51 | pipeline | _fat: C++ is definitely the wrong answer. |
| 01:26.57 | _fat | donde, yeah i realise that |
| 01:26.58 | RvGaTe | phpnuborn, nano is console only... there is no selection with nano itself, and you can only copy/paste per line |
| 01:27.00 | _fat | pipeline, but why? |
| 01:27.08 | george | _fat: are you teaching people? or is this for yourself? |
| 01:27.08 | tarzeau | _fat: C would be fine |
| 01:27.08 | pipeline | _fat: For one, C++ is primarily for legacy development. i.e. maintenance of ancient codebases. |
| 01:27.14 | _fat | pipeline, if you can give me a good reasoning on it i'd be very thankful |
| 01:27.16 | tarzeau | _fat: and shell scripting |
| 01:27.19 | george | c++ is very tedious |
| 01:27.20 | _fat | george, for myself |
| 01:27.20 | ToxicSun | tarzeau any other recomendations? i was using KDE but now that im in gnome i like it a lot... more windows-ish than OSX-ish |
| 01:27.24 | pipeline | _fat: For two, C++ wouldn't be used for system administration. |
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| 01:27.28 | phpnuborn | RvGaTe, sry.. meant textpad++ |
| 01:27.37 | tarzeau | ToxicSun: no, i only like gnustep and openstep. NOT osx |
| 01:27.39 | RvGaTe | phpnuborn, notepad++ you mea? |
| 01:27.43 | pipeline | _fat: Note that C is still very much actively used; C++ is a legacy language. |
| 01:27.48 | tarzeau | ToxicSun: read here why: http://www.paullynch.org/NeXTSTEP/MacWorld.97.html |
| 01:27.50 | _fat | pipeline, so perl would be the definite answer? even thinking of python etc |
| 01:27.52 | pipeline | _fat: Either way, in their day, both were "systems programming" languages. |
| 01:27.53 | dondelelcaro | _fat: I'll give you an example; write code that can select a single entry in /etc/passwd and return the Real Name in the GECOS field. |
| 01:27.55 | RvGaTe | phpnuborn, http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm <-- just find out :P |
| 01:28.04 | phpnuborn | does notepad++ do column block select/cut/copy/paste ? |
| 01:28.06 | pipeline | _fat: Well, perl and ksh are the most widely used. |
| 01:28.09 | phpnuborn | ok.. |
| 01:28.27 | dondelelcaro | _fat: any scripting language will work; perl just happens to be one of the most widely used. |
| 01:28.28 | _fat | dondel, i think perl would be much more suitable for that probably |
| 01:28.33 | george | not necessarily... but an interpreted language with certain features would be far more effective than a compiled language |
| 01:28.38 | pipeline | _fat: It's not that python is particularly unsuited to the common tasks, it's just that it's not used often. |
| 01:28.46 | _fat | ok |
| 01:28.58 | _fat | so perl would be your highest recommendation? |
| 01:29.05 | george | one of, yes |
| 01:29.06 | _fat | just kind of interrested |
| 01:29.19 | dondelelcaro | of course, it's best to learn a bunch of languages... |
| 01:29.21 | _fat | would there be any similiar languages? |
| 01:29.27 | _fat | in parallell with perl |
| 01:29.33 | george | one advantage of perl is they have that cpan thing |
| 01:29.33 | _fat | yeah of course |
| 01:29.43 | _fat | cpan seems very good yes |
| 01:29.50 | pipeline | _fat: ksh is also something worth learning for system administration purposes. |
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| 01:30.05 | _fat | pipe, but where is ksh used actually? |
| 01:30.14 | _fat | on AIX boxes or similar? |
| 01:30.15 | pipeline | _fat: uhhhh everywhere...? |
| 01:30.19 | pipeline | _fat: ksh is the standard shell |
| 01:30.24 | dondelelcaro | hahaha |
| 01:30.25 | jelly-home | pipeline: where? |
| 01:30.29 | dondelelcaro | there is no standard shell. |
| 01:30.30 | _fat | pipe, ah ok sorry i'm very used to bash:P |
| 01:30.39 | pipeline | _fat: Bash is equally valid, but pretty uh, linux-specific. |
| 01:30.44 | george | as are other shells... I would tend to suggest you learn shell scripting to start with |
| 01:30.45 | pipeline | jelly-home: Every single fortune 500 company. Every one. |
| 01:31.03 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: hardly. |
| 01:31.09 | _fat | george, yeah i agree. have already learnt a whole lot of it |
| 01:31.11 | jelly-home | pipeline: I mean, which OS does use ksh as "a standard shell"? |
| 01:31.15 | george | pipeline: how so? :) I was using bash in about 1987 (compare that to linux's lifetime :) |
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| 01:31.45 | pipeline | jelly-home: Every UNIX comes with ksh. |
| 01:31.57 | _fat | wasn't korn brought to life long time after bourne was? |
| 01:32.01 | eggleston | i'm not sure if i am using etch. how can i tell |
| 01:32.04 | george | that's probably true... but they also all come with cat :) |
| 01:32.06 | pipeline | _fat: ksh dates to circa 1985. |
| 01:32.27 | pipeline | george: And system administrators are expected to be familiar with cat, too. 'cat' is indeed standard. |
| 01:32.46 | george | you can even #!/bin/cat |
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| 01:32.54 | pipeline | george: Yes, what is your point with this line of conversation? |
| 01:33.00 | dondelelcaro | you're better off learning how to program for a posix compliant shell then bothering korn and C specific shell features. |
| 01:33.10 | pipeline | _fat: *shrug*. "bash" doesn't come with every SVR4 clone :P |
| 01:33.19 | _fat | pipe, sorry dont know what that is :P |
| 01:33.26 | _fat | well |
| 01:33.28 | george | pipeline: a c compiler is also standard fare, wouldn't you say? |
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| 01:33.32 | _fat | thanks for all your answers |
| 01:33.36 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: sure, but every UNIX box should have a POSIX compliant shell.. |
| 01:33.38 | _fat | i appreciate it |
| 01:34.15 | dondelelcaro | and generally those that don't you don't want to be caught dead admininstering... |
| 01:34.18 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: ksh is a huge superset of posix compliant sh. /bin/sh is usually not ksh :P |
| 01:34.18 | monteiro | i make modprobe ipw3945, but how do i activate my wireless card ? |
| 01:34.22 | zinx | /bin/sh (the POSIX, or POSIX-compatible shell) is pretty much required... ksh, not so much. |
| 01:34.34 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: that's the point... |
| 01:34.36 | george | the point there being, on any unix with a c compiler, you can build gcc (well, maybe they have to port for newer machines, so: "almost all") |
| 01:34.39 | jelly-home | pipeline: thanks, didn't know that. I've seen some #!/bin/ksh scripts in Solaris, but I wouldn't recommend it for programming since a) it's not standard in Debian, b) scripts using #!/bin/sh mustn't rely on ksh extensions. |
| 01:34.42 | RvGaTe | what do you think phpnuborn ? |
| 01:34.42 | pipeline | monteiro: by default, ipw3945 doesn't start the card until you invoke an iwconfig command. |
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| 01:34.58 | george | at that point you can build any gnu tool |
| 01:35.32 | pipeline | I just find vanilla sh painful. ksh88 and 93 are much more common "in the wild" than bash. I didn't mean to start a flamewar, folks :P |
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| 01:35.53 | pipeline | monteiro: note: *any* command that touches the command. |
| 01:35.57 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: only on certain clases of machines... on more modern unices, they're very rare. |
| 01:36.09 | george | I'm not flaming you... I'm just making the point that any unix with a c compiler can have bash on it |
| 01:36.13 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: indeed, on modern machines you're more likely to find zsh than ksh. |
| 01:36.17 | pipeline | george: Hahahahha "with a c compiler" hahahahahah |
| 01:36.18 | monteiro | pipeline : i'm not understanding , when i do iwconfig , it says no wireless extensions |
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| 01:36.21 | dondelelcaro | (which is far more powerful than ksh, anyway) |
| 01:36.33 | _fat | so if i'm trying to learn say perl, and i've read and read and tried out stuff and wrote simple nonsense programs. what would your recommendation to be to code something meaningful that delivers entusiasm etc? |
| 01:36.40 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: I work for Very Large Businesses. You will never, ever, ever be permitted to use 1. a c compiler. 2. software not distributed by the vendor. |
| 01:36.49 | pipeline | err, that was meant for george. |
| 01:36.50 | Wyzard | monteiro: That means the interface you ran it on isn't a wireless device |
| 01:37.25 | george | pipeline: there are many people who will never work for such a company |
| 01:37.35 | george | by choice |
| 01:37.36 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: you work for a particular class of enterprise. They're not all the same. Indeed, not all divisions of those companies are even the same. |
| 01:37.40 | pipeline | _fat: Uh, I have no idea. Honestly, find a basic perl book, then check out this http://www.netalive.org/tinkering/serious-perl/ |
| 01:37.53 | monteiro | Wyzard : when i do iwconfig , it shows a list of interfaces, all of them is saying no wireless extensions, but one is wrong , because it is a wireless card |
| 01:37.54 | dondelelcaro | _fat: you're better off asking #perl, btw. |
| 01:38.13 | pipeline | george: Perhaps, but they're a very, very, very small fraction of people who will deal with UNIX. |
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| 01:38.27 | pipeline | george: I gave very general advice. |
| 01:38.32 | Wyzard | monteiro: Your 3945? |
| 01:38.36 | Brian111 | Hey, anyone know anything about the bcm4318 wireless card? |
| 01:38.43 | Wyzard | monteiro: As a guess, maybe the necessary management daemon isn't running? |
| 01:38.44 | _fat | pipeline, i also work for a very very large company happening to be in this same industry. but we can use whatever software we want if it's not licenced to buy and not having licenss |
| 01:38.56 | dondelelcaro | Brian111: it's supported by the bcm43xx driver in 2.6.18 et al. |
| 01:38.58 | pipeline | _fat: My, aren't you a lucky fellow. |
| 01:39.02 | Brian111 | yeah....no. |
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| 01:39.04 | Brian111 | it wouldn't work |
| 01:39.07 | _fat | pipeline, i dont mean it that way |
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| 01:39.25 | dhuv | hello all |
| 01:39.26 | Brian111 | so ive got ndiswrapper all set and the light for the card is on now but an iwlist scan shows nothing and nothing wil connect |
| 01:39.27 | george | pipeline: I can see you have preferences... the point of debian is to give you the choice to use them |
| 01:39.29 | pipeline | _fat: I work for a contractor, so for in-house work, I have much greater freedom. e.g. debian on my desktop. But the Very Large Customers are real asshats about such things. |
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| 01:39.43 | _fat | pipeline, but maybe we even work for the same company but at different sites with different local policies |
| 01:39.56 | dhuv | I am getting "ACPI: PCI interrube for device 0000:00:10.1 disabled" in dmesg |
| 01:39.59 | _fat | dunno |
| 01:39.59 | monteiro | Wyzard: 3547 pts/0 00:00:00 ipw3945d |
| 01:40.06 | dhuv | this is the irq my sound card is on, and its not working |
| 01:40.07 | Wyzard | monteiro: ok, dunno then |
| 01:40.26 | dhuv | I am assuming that this is my problem, does anybody know how to fix it? |
| 01:40.58 | george | the sound card is not working? the irq is not working? |
| 01:41.03 | monteiro | Wyzard : maybe there is a way to activate the wireless card, if its detected everywhere |
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| 01:41.25 | pipeline | _fat: No, definitely not. |
| 01:41.40 | Wyzard | monteiro: I've never heard of a wireless card being detected by its driver but not having the wireless extensions (which are provided by the driver) available |
| 01:41.50 | _fat | pipelien, local policies meaning politics |
| 01:41.51 | Wyzard | monteiro: so I can only guess it's something 3945-specific |
| 01:41.55 | monteiro | Wyzard : i'm going to restart |
| 01:41.56 | _fat | err sorry pipeline |
| 01:42.40 | george | _fat: are you saying you already tried to use perl and got stuck/confused? (you posed your question as "if someone got stuck with perl, what to do" or something) |
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| 01:43.14 | _fat | george, nono i'm not stuck as in i dont know what to write on this and this line. i just dont know what to code |
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| 01:43.25 | george | ohh |
| 01:43.35 | george | what kinds of things do you want to do? |
| 01:43.55 | _fat | george, ok i dont want to do these stupid examples provided by books etc, but still i can't write huge apps like office suites |
| 01:43.58 | _fat | if you know what i mean |
| 01:44.23 | george | well, each example shows one piece of a larger whole |
| 01:44.26 | unseensoul | i'm running testing and i want to get compiz working. i need to get the compiz package from unstable, but do i need to upgrade xorg from unstable? |
| 01:44.40 | george | examples are somewhat important for understanding |
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| 01:45.09 | Wyzard | unseensoul: You need XOrg 7.1 for AIGLX... dunno whether that's in testing yet |
| 01:45.32 | _fat | george, thing is that i think i need someone to evaluate what i'm capable of doing etc to give me good tips of what doing next for practice |
| 01:45.34 | george | wat's aiglx |
| 01:45.39 | unseensoul | Wyzard, xorg 7.1 is already in testing |
| 01:45.46 | _fat | george, i agree about examples though |
| 01:46.30 | Wyzard | unseensoul: Note, for AIGLX with nVidia you need the 1.0.9625 beta driver which is only in experimental, and it doesn't work at all with ATI's proprietary driver |
| 01:46.58 | knoxyy | how can I do to configure my sound card AC'97 in debian? |
| 01:46.58 | george | whatever language you pick, you'll have to put in time to learn them (I'm sure we agree there) |
| 01:47.06 | _fat | george, of course |
| 01:47.13 | Wyzard | george: AIGLX is an X extension for OpenGL compositing, similar in purpose to XGL but better from a design standpoint |
| 01:47.18 | _fat | that is true about almost anything that takes skill to do |
| 01:47.25 | _fat | not even almost, sorry |
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| 01:47.43 | k-man | how do i tell lpr which cups printer to default to? |
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| 01:48.12 | _fat | kman, check man pages i guess |
| 01:48.16 | pipeline | Wyzard, george : Well, not so much better designed as better implemented. XGL is a mess internally. |
| 01:48.20 | man_in_shack | has anyone here had trouble with wodim and k3b? |
| 01:48.44 | man_in_shack | k3b is complaining that my cd is not appendable, but cdrdao reports it is |
| 01:48.53 | Wyzard | Well, XGL layers a new X server on top of the existing one by way of opening up a big fullscreen OpenGL window, which is a design hack IMO |
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| 01:50.02 | monteiro | now ipw3945 wireless card , works !! tks a lot ppl |
| 01:50.15 | Wyzard | cool |
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| 01:57.17 | slept | monteiro, how did you do it |
| 01:58.47 | monteiro | slept : i installed a kernel with that module installed, and it was only modprobe... and a few headaches :p |
| 01:59.13 | slept | where did you get that kerenl ? |
| 01:59.33 | man_in_shack | yay gnomebaker has nice errors |
| 02:00.25 | unseensoul | Wyzard, yes i've got the version 1.0.9625...so do i need to upgrade compiz from unstable only? |
| 02:00.38 | Wyzard | probably |
| 02:01.21 | unseensoul | Wyzard, thanks :) |
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| 02:03.43 | mobodo | has anyone had trouble with the latest apache2? |
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| 02:05.23 | Wyzard | mobodo: It did some weird stuff with the config and I had to re-enable a few modules that somehow got disabled by the upgrade |
| 02:05.30 | Wyzard | mobodo: but aside from that, it seems to work fine |
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| 02:08.28 | mobodo | I get segfaults |
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| 02:08.33 | mobodo | with the default config fules |
| 02:09.02 | mobodo | (i.e. I rm -rf /etc/apache2 before installing) |
| 02:09.12 | Wyzard | I haven't seen that happen, sorry |
| 02:09.15 | mobodo | ok |
| 02:09.27 | mobodo | I'll get an older snapshot and see if it works |
| 02:09.28 | RvGaTe | strange, my internet seems to be down, but i can still see text floating by over here :P |
| 02:09.33 | mobodo | what flavour of apache do you use? |
| 02:09.49 | Wyzard | mpm-worker |
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| 02:11.41 | Azar | hi odla :) |
| 02:11.59 | odla | hi Azar |
| 02:12.43 | Azar | odla, my aptitude bug was fixed thanks to showing me how to file a bug report |
| 02:12.54 | odla | Azar: great |
| 02:13.23 | Azar | from the last security upgrade for xfree, aptitude is hosing xfree86 with dependencies |
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| 02:14.20 | odla | well that's definitely good that you filed a bug |
| 02:14.33 | odla | brb |
| 02:14.43 | Azar | odla, it was there, but the people did not give valid examples |
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| 02:17.26 | arron | i really need some help... i apt-get upgraded, now a lot of stuff wont run... i read its due to a older 2.4 kernel, and now i cant even run lilo or grub to update my boot loader to get a newer kernel... please help! |
| 02:18.14 | Azar | arron: ubuntu? |
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| 02:18.53 | Azar | arron: if you use ubuntu, the advices here are not valid for your system. |
| 02:18.56 | arron | no, im runnen a ubuntu cd to try to get some help.... |
| 02:19.01 | Althaser | my apache2 is pointing to apache2-default/ where can I change it ? please |
| 02:19.11 | arron | i run debian testing normaly |
| 02:19.27 | Azar | arron: debian testing does not support a 2.4 kernel |
| 02:19.58 | arron | :-( was running for years till now...ugggg how can i at least get to a 2.6 kernel with lilo not running? |
| 02:19.58 | Azar | arron: you need to clean install sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel option |
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| 02:20.08 | arron | thats not really a option |
| 02:20.14 | arron | to much config on it |
| 02:20.17 | Wyzard | You don't have to do a clean reinstall |
| 02:20.23 | Azar | arron: you run for years what? woody? sarge? |
| 02:20.35 | Wyzard | You can use your Ubuntu liveCD to mount the Debian installation on your hard drive and install a newer kernel on it |
| 02:20.42 | arron | i mean the pc has been up for years, its on testing now |
| 02:20.46 | Wyzard | though that takes some skill |
| 02:21.05 | arron | that was my idsea... lilo with a -C doesnt want to work.... |
| 02:21.19 | Wyzard | First of all, you should use GRUB, not lilo |
| 02:21.25 | Wyzard | unless you have a specific need for lilo |
| 02:21.40 | Azar | arron: debian woody (old stable) runs with a 2.4 kernel, sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel, testing with at least a 2.6.14 kernel |
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| 02:21.53 | arron | err idea... try to get a new boot loader witht he new kernel. i have a 2.6.17 kernel installed, just need it to boot |
| 02:22.12 | Azar | arron: you did not do the initrd to tell lilo about it |
| 02:22.24 | arron | azar: ive been running 2.4 for over a year on testing, just untill i did apt-get upgrade today |
| 02:22.31 | mobodo | nah, I'm telling you apache 2.2 is busted, I'm reverting to 2.0 :P |
| 02:22.40 | Wyzard | GRUB would help with that... unlike lilo, it lets you change kernels and configuration at boot time, not just at install time |
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| 02:22.44 | arron | how do i revert? |
| 02:22.51 | Azar | arron: strange, testing does not run with a 2.4 kernel |
| 02:23.05 | arron | azar, it has flawlessly for a long time now |
| 02:23.21 | Azar | Wyzard: you can tell lilo with which of your saved kernels you want to run |
| 02:23.29 | monteiro | is there a way to add a command to the beggining of the system ? like rc |
| 02:23.33 | Azar | arron: define :testing |
| 02:23.39 | arron | mobodo: how do i revert? |
| 02:23.45 | Wyzard | I know, but if a particular kernel isn't configured into lilo, it's impossible to boot it |
| 02:23.59 | Azar | Wyzard: yep |
| 02:24.01 | arron | etch |
| 02:24.06 | Wyzard | GRUB can boot anything that's on the disk; the preconfigured is just for convenience |
| 02:24.49 | arron | i cant even get grub installed... it comes up with errors |
| 02:24.50 | Wyzard | It doesn't install one by default, but if you already have one (from woody or whatever) it'd probably still work |
| 02:25.06 | Wyzard | minus non-essential but useful things like udev that require 2.6 |
| 02:25.22 | Wyzard | arron: What errors? |
| 02:25.27 | arron | would a debian recovery cd help? |
| 02:25.33 | Wyzard | no, doesn't matter |
| 02:25.39 | Azar | Wyzard: I had troubles running sarge with a 2.4... not to speak of etch which I had to up the kernel to 2.6.14 in order to get something out of it |
| 02:26.00 | arron | i cant say right now.... had to boot off a ubuntu cd i had... i believe was some incompatible errors |
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| 02:26.05 | Wyzard | Ubuntu's liveCD should work just fine for installing GRUB on your Debian system |
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| 02:26.36 | Wyzard | though I think I've run into problems using Ubuntu's grub installer for that... you'll want to mount your Debian installation and use the grub-install found there |
| 02:26.42 | Azar | arron: I usually use the Debian CD to revover for a li |
| 02:26.44 | arron | ok... how do i get ubuntu to install and run grub on the hard drive? |
| 02:27.03 | Wyzard | Do you have your whole Debian installation in a single partition, or is it split up into several? |
| 02:27.13 | arron | 1 partition for the os |
| 02:27.16 | Wyzard | ok |
| 02:27.31 | Wyzard | Make a directory called something like /mnt/debian, and mount the Debian partition there |
| 02:27.44 | arron | i have it mounted at /media/1 right now |
| 02:27.50 | Wyzard | ok |
| 02:28.12 | Wyzard | Now "mount --bind /dev /media/1/dev", "mount --bind /proc /media/1/proc", "mount --bind /sys /media/1/sys" |
| 02:28.27 | Wyzard | Then "chroot /media/1" |
| 02:28.42 | Wyzard | You get a shell on your Debian installation, as if you'd booted to it directly |
| 02:28.47 | Wyzard | Install GRUB from there |
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| 02:30.17 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 02:30.44 | flamesro1k | guys, other than vi/emacs, etc what's a good programming text editor for linux |
| 02:30.49 | flamesro1k | ? |
| 02:30.56 | flamesro1k | like textmate I want |
| 02:30.57 | dvs | none :-> |
| 02:30.58 | sanmarcos | flamesro1k: jedit, kate, gedit |
| 02:31.01 | sanmarcos | flamesro1k: get a mac |
| 02:31.09 | sanmarcos | flamesro1k: gedit has snippets support |
| 02:31.11 | flamesro1k | I like linux OS |
| 02:31.18 | sanmarcos | too bad, textmate is designed for mac |
| 02:31.19 | arron | wyzard: some errors.... arg... can i pm it? |
| 02:31.23 | Wyzard | sure |
| 02:31.35 | sanmarcos | it follows the Macs design and mentality |
| 02:31.40 | sanmarcos | linux doesnt have that. |
| 02:32.03 | flamesro1k | somebody should write it |
| 02:32.03 | sanmarcos | gedit and vim already do what textmate does |
| 02:32.07 | sanmarcos | dont know about emacs, since I dont use it |
| 02:32.14 | sanmarcos | and it is being written for windows |
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| 02:32.32 | sanmarcos | read the blog entry on textmate's blog about why they dont care to support windows/linux |
| 02:32.49 | Azar | arron: what I do usually, put the Debian CD in at the boot prompt I do boot: rescue root=/dev/hda2 -noinitrd (hda2 is my HD, yours might be different). I login. Then I type /sbin/lilo |
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| 02:33.26 | Wyzard | Azar: Why do you use lilo? |
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| 02:33.43 | Azar | Wyzard: because I tried Grub and I wasn't able to get along with it. |
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| 02:34.28 | Azar | for me, lilo is simpler to understand and configure |
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| 02:35.15 | arron | azar: me as well, but i want to get the server back up |
| 02:35.21 | phpnuborn | anyone here use the windows-based notepad++ code editor? |
| 02:35.36 | Azar | arron: go with Wyzard, maybe you are going to like Grub |
| 02:35.39 | sanmarcos | phpnuborn: why the crap would you ask that here? |
| 02:35.42 | arron | i got grub installed now, when i boot how do i tell it to use the 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:35.44 | Azar | lots of people like Grub |
| 02:36.00 | sanmarcos | arron: run update-grub, should do it automatically |
| 02:36.05 | phpnuborn | i was talking to someone in here earlier that used it.. |
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| 02:36.29 | Feax | are you all sleeping ? :P |
| 02:36.29 | sanmarcos | Vim/Emacs are probably the most advanced editors out there feature wise, they have a broad range of uses |
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| 02:36.32 | Azar | phpnuborn: no, Debian does not use such stuff |
| 02:37.01 | jelly-home | phpnuborn: try ##windows |
| 02:37.02 | Wyzard | Eclipse is pretty nice, though that's more than just a text editor |
| 02:37.08 | Azar | Vim has a great tutorial with lots of tricks for customization, type vimtutor and play demos |
| 02:37.29 | sanmarcos | eclipse as a text editor is horrible |
| 02:37.31 | monteiro | is there a way to add a command to execute, after the detection of the wireless card, to add this lines: "modprobe -r ipw3945 && modprobe ipw3945", because i want to create the interface and then auto configure |
| 02:37.35 | sanmarcos | its java, just fuck java |
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| 02:39.06 | memoo | hi, have been trying to enable portforwarding with ipchains for hours but i failed. this is what i did: http://pastebin.ca/238707 |
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| 02:39.33 | Wyzard | ipchains? |
| 02:39.37 | memoo | I am not able to make a client from the net connect to the webserver on my lan (102.168.0.22) |
| 02:39.37 | Wyzard | That's deprecated |
| 02:39.45 | memoo | sorry iptables i ment |
| 02:39.49 | Wyzard | ok, good :-) |
| 02:40.04 | arron | i think i got it... thanks for the help.. bbiab after reboot *fingers crossed |
| 02:40.08 | Wyzard | Rather thatn writing iptables rules manually, you'd probably be better off using a package like ipmasq or firehol |
| 02:40.49 | dvs | arron: if you come back :-> |
| 02:40.58 | arron | one last quick one, how do i tell grub the default i want? |
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| 02:41.20 | memoo | Wyzard: i am limited to console only. will those work on the console or do they need agui? |
| 02:41.49 | Wyzard | memoo: GUI firewall-configuration tools exist, but neither of those is GUI-based |
| 02:42.00 | Wyzard | memoo: For FireHOL you edit a simple config file, /etc/firehol/firehol.conf |
| 02:42.03 | arron | nm i c |
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| 02:42.14 | Wyzard | memoo: ipmasq is simpler, though I haven't used it myself |
| 02:42.51 | memoo | ok, i'll have a look at it. i read several howtos and came up with my script afterwards, but i can't find out whats wrong |
| 02:43.19 | memoo | especially the output of iptables -t nat -L PREROUTING is puzzling me |
| 02:43.31 | memoo | DNAT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:www to:192.168.0.22:80 |
| 02:43.43 | memoo | i am wondering why source is anywhere and not my wan nic |
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| 02:44.46 | memoo | what is the package name for ipmasq? |
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| 02:44.52 | memoo | i can't find it with apt-get |
| 02:44.57 | memoo | apt-cache, sorry |
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| 02:46.23 | Wyzard | It's called "ipmasq" |
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| 02:46.47 | memoo | oh yes, found it, it's only available in unstable, right? |
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| 02:46.57 | Wyzard | It's in stable and testing according to packages.debian.org |
| 02:47.01 | Rawplayer | re |
| 02:47.04 | Wyzard | http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/ipmasq |
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| 02:48.08 | jelly-home | memoo: your sources.list might be bad. What distro are you using? :-) |
| 02:49.01 | memoo | hey, found it. i think i am too tired. those iptables fried my brain ;) |
| 02:50.31 | jelly-home | memoo: if you are where your host ip points to, the fault is probably your lack of sleep instead of iptables... now being 3:50am in Europe |
| 02:50.45 | jelly-home | s/Europe/CET/ |
| 02:51.53 | millk | how do i set it so that all files created within a directory are created with a specific group as file's group, the equivalent of persistent 'chgrp groupname /path/to/directory' |
| 02:52.44 | millk | i'm considering adding a cronjob to do it |
| 02:53.01 | memoo | jelly-home: hey yes, i am trying make this work for 6 hours now |
| 02:53.57 | heroxbd | Hi, everybody! |
| 02:53.57 | heroxbd | I'm recently playing with debpartial-mirror, and wondering how I can write the "filter" field in debpartial-mirror.conf in order to mirror a special package. |
| 02:53.57 | heroxbd | I've searched the web, the man page but no luck. |
| 02:53.57 | heroxbd | Could you please help or give me some reference? ThX! |
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| 02:54.27 | amphi | memoo: iptables-save output is sometimes clearer |
| 02:54.42 | millk | hey, so any ideas at all? :) |
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| 02:56.40 | devinx | ipmasq is wacky. ipkungfu is simpler |
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| 02:57.26 | memoo | hehe |
| 02:57.28 | memoo | ok |
| 02:57.31 | memoo | will try that too |
| 02:58.12 | memoo | perfect would bes something like. --enble-nat-for-lan --forward 80 192.168.0.22:80 |
| 02:58.30 | heroxbd | Hi, where can I get the syntax info of debpartial-mirror.conf please? I've searched the web but no luck. |
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| 02:58.44 | unseensoul | wow compiz rocks |
| 02:59.26 | zinx | ugh |
| 02:59.40 | memoo | yes it does. vista can go home. |
| 03:00.24 | unseensoul | memoo, lol |
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| 03:04.59 | ahlfors | how stable is the debian compiz package? |
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| 03:05.31 | zinx | ahlfors: the debian compiz package, or the compiz program in the debian compiz package |
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| 03:05.53 | zinx | ahlfors: the package itself isn't in experimental anymore, which means it's believed to work, but it is in unstable, which means it might not :P |
| 03:06.09 | Arron | wyzard/azar: still no luck getting 2.6 booted |
| 03:06.12 | Arthur | well no shit |
| 03:06.26 | ahlfors | zinx, I guess I meant "if I decide to try compiz for some WM eye candy, am I likely to be disappointed by bugs and instability?" |
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| 03:06.50 | zinx | ahlfors: i'd decide based more on the functionality than the eye candy |
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| 03:06.58 | gpm | hey, has the name for the release after etch been decided? |
| 03:07.01 | zinx | ahlfors: and as far as functionality is concerned, compiz is a tie for dead last |
| 03:07.05 | ihavebigcock | hay yall |
| 03:07.12 | kalium | hi |
| 03:07.15 | ihavebigcock | hahahahaha |
| 03:07.27 | gpm | someone's easily amused |
| 03:07.34 | zinx | ahlfors: it's really a crappy window manager, if it didn't have any eye candy i can guarantee no one would use it - it's like an outdated version of metacity |
| 03:07.41 | Arron | the first binary (debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso) i can boot, and do a recovery with? |
| 03:07.58 | ihavebigcock | yes i have had oxygn finally go to head |
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| 03:08.18 | ahlfors | zinx, ok fair enough. |
| 03:08.21 | gpm | Arron: what are you trying to recover? |
| 03:08.32 | ahlfors | I thought compiz depends on aiglx, which isn't in debian yet. What's the GL backend? |
| 03:08.53 | zinx | ahlfors: AIGLX is in sid |
| 03:08.54 | heroxbd | Arron: maybe you type "rescue" after "boot:" prompt will work. I am not so sure |
| 03:08.58 | ihavebigcock | no i just worked 48 hours straight fell asleep and well fresh air it really does the body good |
| 03:08.58 | zinx | ahlfors: as well as compiz |
| 03:09.00 | Arron | im running etch with a 2.4 kernel. with a upgrade today, a lot of things stopped working... including lilo, and grub is haven problems as well |
| 03:09.09 | zinx | ahlfors: Xgl is likely to never be in Debian |
| 03:09.24 | gpm | Arron: so, you want to install reinstall the broken packages? |
| 03:09.35 | Arron | gpm: so im trying to get to a 2.6 kernel so ill be running again |
| 03:09.43 | gpm | Arron: so boot into the cd |
| 03:09.45 | kalium | i have a question. Is it normal that /var/www and the html files inside are owned by root and not by www-data on apache2 |
| 03:09.51 | gpm | Arron: change to vc #3 or 4 it hink |
| 03:09.55 | gpm | Arron: it's a shell |
| 03:09.59 | Arron | gpm: i dont htink they are broken, jus thte old kernel, that ive been told dont work with etch |
| 03:10.07 | gpm | Arron: then mount your root partition, chroot to it |
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| 03:10.22 | gpm | Arron: and apt-get install linux-image-2.6-(insert-arch-here) |
| 03:10.39 | Arron | i have a 2.6 installed... jsut getting booted form it is the problem |
| 03:10.39 | ahlfors | Mostly I like the Mac OS X Expose feature for managing multiple windows, and wish I could have that on my linux desktop. Apparently compiz supports this |
| 03:10.42 | gpm | like, apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:10.49 | ahlfors | But it isn't worth having a crappy WM |
| 03:10.52 | gpm | Arron: you need to tell grub to boot it |
| 03:11.00 | gpm | Arron: maybe chroot and then run update-grub |
| 03:11.05 | Arron | grub is even giving me problems |
| 03:11.15 | gpm | Arron: so reinstall grub using d-i |
| 03:11.20 | kingsley | Why does firefox always suggest saving files under names ending with ".ra"? |
| 03:11.36 | heroxbd | Arron: grub is even giving me problems ---- what do you mean? |
| 03:11.43 | gpm | kingsley: as opposed to opening them with... |
| 03:11.59 | enouf | RealAudio is in colusion with Mozilla project |
| 03:12.14 | gpm | haha |
| 03:12.15 | Arron | wiht my 2.4 kernel... i was booted in a ubuntu cd, and wyzard and azar helped me a little while ago to get it up... still no lck |
| 03:12.59 | gpm | Arron: what problems is grub giving you? any specific error messages? |
| 03:13.05 | gpm | we need more info to help you |
| 03:13.25 | Arron | it is not seeing my 2.6 hernel, and it still boots from lilo at boot |
| 03:14.23 | gpm | ok, well you need to reinstall grub, run grub-install /dev/hd{a,b,c..} |
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| 03:14.33 | gpm | (from a chroot environment) |
| 03:14.44 | gpm | and then run update-grub |
| 03:14.58 | gpm | once you run grub-install, you should be able to safely remove lilo from your system |
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| 03:16.30 | Arron | gpm: ie run it, it says to look at /boot/grub/device.map file, then to rerun the script... which ive done, and sill no luck. and sill no 2.6 kernel, it sees the 2.4 ones |
| 03:17.02 | gpm | Arron: are you sure you've installed the 2.6 kernel properly? |
| 03:17.08 | gpm | is there a symlink in / |
| 03:17.17 | gpm | called vmlinuz or something like it? |
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| 03:17.34 | gpm | does it point to an image in /boot? |
| 03:18.11 | Arron | one sec |
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| 03:18.35 | Arron | the link is to the 2.4, but 2.6 is in the /boot |
| 03:18.56 | gpm | how did you install this 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:19.00 | kepht | how do i downgrade (revert back to..) a recently upgraded package? |
| 03:19.14 | gpm | kepht: grab the archive from snapshot.debian.net |
| 03:19.22 | gpm | kepht: then dpkg -i it |
| 03:19.36 | heroxbd | kepht: find the old package in the /var/cache/apt/arichive |
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| 03:19.38 | gpm | kepht: dpkg will warn you you are downgrading, but that's what you want |
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| 03:19.53 | Arron | gpm: with apt |
| 03:19.59 | gpm | heroxbd: he might not have it in there |
| 03:20.00 | heroxbd | kepht: then dpkg -i --force-all foo |
| 03:20.06 | kepht | ok |
| 03:20.37 | gpm | Arron: what specifically did you run to install it? is this a package from debian? one you got somewhere on the 'net? one you built from sources? where did you get the package |
| 03:20.38 | heroxbd | gpm: yes, but probably :) |
| 03:21.28 | gpm | heroxbd: well if the recent upgrade was troublesome, i'm guessing he wants the next oldest version which probably isn't there unless kepht never runs apt-get clean |
| 03:21.50 | kepht | gpm: yeah i had already cleaned |
| 03:21.55 | Arron | gpm i ran "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.17-2-xen-k7" for it |
| 03:22.12 | heroxbd | Arron: You are using xen?? |
| 03:22.22 | heroxbd | gpm: Oh, i c. |
| 03:22.26 | Arron | gpm : this is all b/c of the latest release, thats caused a lot of problems for me |
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| 03:22.42 | gpm | Arron: do you need xen? what kind of computer are you using for this? |
| 03:22.54 | gpm | i mean, what kind of compy are you installing on? |
| 03:23.09 | Arron | heroxbd| amd |
| 03:23.36 | heroxbd | Arron: The you should use linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 03:23.37 | Arron | crap... maybe not hyperthread.. is that whay xed is for? |
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| 03:24.07 | heroxbd | Arron: Xen if for virtual machine |
| 03:24.10 | gpm | no |
| 03:24.17 | gpm | heroxbd: is right |
| 03:24.26 | gpm | apt-get linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 03:24.31 | kepht | crap, this may become a dependency hell |
| 03:24.46 | gpm | it *should* make a symlink in / to the image it installs in /boot |
| 03:25.00 | heroxbd | gpm: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7 ( --> install <---) |
| 03:25.02 | gpm | kepht: why? you're downgrading right? |
| 03:25.09 | gpm | kepht: haha |
| 03:25.17 | gpm | heroxbd: my bad |
| 03:25.22 | ToxicSun | im using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to change things and if i have my mouse in my ps/2 mouse slot should i enter /dev/input/mice or leave it as default? |
| 03:25.28 | gpm | unknown option |
| 03:25.55 | gpm | ToxicSun: what's the default option? |
| 03:26.07 | ToxicSun | psaux |
| 03:26.19 | ToxicSun | /dev/psaux |
| 03:26.19 | gpm | i think the default's right |
| 03:26.21 | gpm | but to check |
| 03:26.26 | thingfish | ToxicSun: most of the time, /dev/input/mice works fine |
| 03:26.34 | gpm | go to terminal, run cat /dev/input/mice as root |
| 03:26.36 | gpm | move the mouse |
| 03:26.47 | gpm | it should output a bunch of gibberish if it's working |
| 03:26.53 | gpm | if it doesn't, try the same with /dev/psaux |
| 03:26.55 | kepht | gpm, heroxbd ..thanks |
| 03:27.01 | gpm | kepht: worked? |
| 03:27.13 | heroxbd | kepht: :) anytime |
| 03:27.17 | kepht | i downgraded libcairo2 |
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| 03:27.23 | gpm | awesome |
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| 03:27.34 | gpm | what did it do to your system? |
| 03:27.34 | kepht | doesn't seem to have fixed the problem however |
| 03:27.39 | gpm | aw weak |
| 03:28.03 | threw | ToxicSun: post your /etc/X11/XF86Conf.org file in a pastebin |
| 03:28.13 | kepht | all my GTK2 apps have disappearing text |
| 03:28.24 | kepht | since doing an upgrade the other day |
| 03:28.26 | heroxbd | hepht: What's your origional problem? |
| 03:28.29 | gpm | oh weird...sid? etch? i'm on sid and everything looks ok to me |
| 03:28.37 | kepht | testing |
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| 03:28.51 | fellacious | hm |
| 03:29.03 | fellacious | ok DCC SEND ThinkAboutYourBreathing 0 0 0 |
| 03:29.10 | gpm | huh, same version in sid |
| 03:29.10 | fellacious | ^_^ |
| 03:29.12 | gpm | works fine for me |
| 03:29.15 | kepht | i don't run KDE or Gnome |
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| 03:29.28 | gpm | what makes you so sure it's libcairo that's causing the problem? |
| 03:29.32 | fellacious | ...aren't you going to yell@me now? |
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| 03:29.54 | fellacious | k whatever. |
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| 03:29.56 | kepht | gpm: http://www.nabble.com/Anybody-else-seeing-this-GTK2-bug |
| 03:30.05 | kepht | --t1984833.html |
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| 03:30.28 | kepht | that describes the problem pretty well |
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| 03:30.45 | kepht | none of the workarounds help though |
| 03:32.01 | gpm | kepht: which version did you downgrade to? |
| 03:32.17 | kepht | as it is, by debian(testing) box now has useless firefox, streamtuner, etc (and all other GTK2 apps using cairo and pango) |
| 03:32.51 | gpm | which version of libcairo2 did you downgrade to? |
| 03:32.58 | Wyzard | kepht: That link seems broken |
| 03:33.07 | ToxicSun | you arent supposed to run IRC as root |
| 03:33.07 | ToxicSun | right |
| 03:33.12 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: right |
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| 03:33.21 | ToxicSun | what about SU |
| 03:33.24 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: Only use root for actual administrative stuff that can't be done as a normal user |
| 03:33.28 | ToxicSun | shut down IRC |
| 03:33.33 | ToxicSun | and do whatever |
| 03:33.36 | ToxicSun | then come back |
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| 03:33.56 | Wyzard | No, you don't log out entirely and then log in as root |
| 03:34.04 | Skiver | kepht: what page were you pasting ? |
| 03:34.05 | Wyzard | Didn't I tell you earlier about why logging in as root is to be avoided? |
| 03:34.08 | kepht | i saw 1.2.4-1 was the previous version, so downgraded to that |
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| 03:34.22 | ToxicSun | right, im not doing that |
| 03:34.26 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: You're logged into X as a normal user, running IRC and whatever else as a normal user |
| 03:34.31 | ToxicSun | i forget why but you said dont, use SU |
| 03:34.41 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: You open an xterm (or gnome-terminal, or konsole, or whatever) and run su in it |
| 03:34.44 | kepht | http://www.nabble.com/Anybody-else-seeing-this-GTK2-bug--t1984833.html |
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| 03:35.01 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: Now you have a root shell where you can do admin stuff, but all your other apps are still running as your normal user |
| 03:35.19 | ToxicSun | so SU + IRC is ok? |
| 03:35.41 | ToxicSun | o just as bad |
| 03:35.46 | Wyzard | su just gives you root in that xterm |
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| 03:35.54 | Wyzard | It doesn't affect the other programs you're running |
| 03:36.32 | kepht | Skiver: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377755 <--this also describes the problem ..and says it is fixed, but . . . |
| 03:36.36 | gpm | you tried all the workarounds here? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377755 |
| 03:36.37 | Wyzard | You could use su to run an IRC client as root, and that's bad... but if you run an IRC client in one window, and su-root stuff in another window, that's fine; they're completely unrelated |
| 03:36.43 | kepht | gpm: yes |
| 03:36.59 | ToxicSun | ok wyzard |
| 03:37.00 | ToxicSun | thank you |
| 03:37.01 | kepht | gpm: although, i do not have KDE or Gnome desktops installed |
| 03:37.16 | kepht | so, uncertain about enforcing the anti-aliasing |
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| 03:37.26 | Wyzard | kepht: I've seen that problem, or one like it, but I believe it's an nVidia driver bug, not a GTK bug |
| 03:37.34 | kepht | but did try setting that in /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 03:37.46 | gpm | kepht: huh, i'm stumped. i'm fine over here *with* an nvidia card |
| 03:37.55 | kepht | hmm, well things were fine until Friday |
| 03:37.59 | Wyzard | I'm fine with nVidia now too |
| 03:38.13 | Wyzard | but I've seen that sort of problem in the past, along with other visual artifacts and occasional X hangs |
| 03:38.42 | kepht | i'm finding mention of the symptom going back a year or so, but no one seems to know for sure |
| 03:39.10 | ToxicSun | wyzard if i just changed my xserver-xfree86 stuff how do i restart x |
| 03:39.11 | ToxicSun | just log out |
| 03:39.31 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: Are you using GDM (graphical login screen) or did you run startx from a text login? |
| 03:39.39 | Skiver | kepht, you are not on any Desktop envi ? |
| 03:39.41 | ToxicSun | yeah GDM |
| 03:39.43 | ToxicSun | i want text |
| 03:39.46 | ToxicSun | but dont know how to fix it |
| 03:39.47 | kepht | Skiver: correct |
| 03:40.15 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: Use su to run "/etc/init.d/gdm reload", then log out and back in, and your X settings changes will take effect |
| 03:40.40 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: If you want to get to a text login, press Ctrl-Alt-F1 (or F2 through F6), and later, Alt-F7 to switch back to X |
| 03:41.20 | kepht | galculator, streamtuner, firefox, gamix, wininfo, gxset ..all affected |
| 03:41.30 | Skiver | kepht : i'm not sure about this..but by any chance you have anything running qt ? |
| 03:41.49 | kepht | i don't have any qt apps currently running |
| 03:41.56 | ToxicSun | ok brb hopefully |
| 03:42.08 | kepht | and as it is, no GTK2 apps either |
| 03:42.22 | kepht | GTK1.2 apps are fine |
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| 03:42.46 | kepht | oh my |
| 03:42.52 | kepht | qt apps are affected too |
| 03:43.23 | Wyzard | qt likely uses cairo too |
| 03:43.30 | gpm | at least irssi isn't |
| 03:43.38 | gpm | :-P |
| 03:43.39 | kepht | yeah, thankfully :) |
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| 03:43.51 | gpm | sorry i don't have any clues |
| 03:43.55 | ToxicSun | im sorry wizard can you give me that thing again? |
| 03:44.02 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: /etc/init.d/gdm reload |
| 03:44.07 | gpm | it might be something else though |
| 03:44.09 | ToxicSun | thanks |
| 03:44.10 | kepht | appreciate the help, gpm |
| 03:44.14 | ToxicSun | so i logout and login |
| 03:44.18 | gpm | kepht: hey do you have apt-listbugs installed? |
| 03:44.20 | ToxicSun | and even if its graphical |
| 03:44.22 | Wyzard | after you run that command, yes |
| 03:44.25 | Arron | *sigh* i have a 2.6 kernel running now, and apache2 is running, but when i open a page its asking to save the file, not open it.... can i get some input please? |
| 03:44.25 | ToxicSun | itll still restart it |
| 03:44.26 | gpm | you should just for the future |
| 03:44.30 | Wyzard | right |
| 03:44.30 | ToxicSun | ok thanks |
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| 03:44.43 | Skiver | kepht, can you provide a screenshot ? |
| 03:44.43 | gpm | Arron: php stuff? |
| 03:44.49 | Arron | gpm: yes |
| 03:44.50 | Wyzard | If you say "restart" it'll immediately and abruptly kill and restart X; if you say "reload" it'll restart it next time you log out |
| 03:45.03 | Wyzard | so "reload" is generally preferable |
| 03:45.27 | ToxicSun | yeah |
| 03:45.29 | ToxicSun | ok |
| 03:45.30 | ToxicSun | thanks |
| 03:45.32 | gpm | Arron: do you have libapache2-mod-php (4 or 5) installed? |
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| 03:47.32 | Arron | gpm: yes, 5 |
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| 03:48.02 | gpm | Arron: k, did you enable the module? ie, is there a link to the .load file in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled? |
| 03:48.19 | gpm | run a2enmod php5 |
| 03:48.30 | gpm | then restart apache |
| 03:48.51 | gpm | (/etc/init.d/apache2 restart) |
| 03:50.15 | Arron | gpm: thanks!!! finally it is working.... oh my all because of a upgrade everything stops working |
| 03:50.39 | Wyzard | yeah, it's weird how that upgrade disabled a bunch of modules |
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| 03:50.56 | Wyzard | My dwww broke -- it was failing to execute the CGI script -- and it turned out that the CGI module had been disabled |
| 03:50.57 | Arron | wyzard: am i the only one??? |
| 03:51.02 | gpm | yeah, it took me forever to figure out how to get auth working again |
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| 03:51.16 | gpm | Arron: no, i went through that hell to |
| 03:51.17 | gpm | o |
| 03:51.21 | kepht | Skiver: even Gimp is affected |
| 03:52.21 | Arron | gpm: thanks i really dont feel so bad. this cause a brain hemorage... i though i got hacked first with so many things not working... |
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| 03:52.27 | gpm | haha |
| 03:52.27 | ToxicSun | thank you very much wizard |
| 03:52.31 | kepht | Skiver: running mouse cursor over menus, tabs, some windowed text will make portions of it disappear or reappear randomly |
| 03:52.32 | gpm | apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 03:52.34 | gpm | seriously |
| 03:52.34 | ToxicSun | wyzard rather |
| 03:52.35 | gpm | :-P |
| 03:52.55 | Wyzard | You're welcome |
| 03:52.57 | gpm | k i'm out all. be careful with the root |
| 03:53.07 | Arron | thanks to all of you here, im up and runnen again.... oh my.... i wonder if itll get fixed |
| 03:53.19 | Arron | thanks those who have helped me |
| 03:53.20 | ToxicSun | so, wyzard since ive installed i get this weird screen garbage when logging in and out |
| 03:53.20 | kepht | ok, installed apt-listbugs |
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| 03:53.43 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: That's normal and harmless |
| 03:53.47 | ToxicSun | before the graphical login screen... it looks like a bad NES game where its got square stuff |
| 03:53.56 | ToxicSun | yeah, i figured it was harmless just annoying |
| 03:54.01 | ToxicSun | no easy fix if any fix at all? |
| 03:54.08 | kepht | hrmm |
| 03:54.14 | Wyzard | no, it's a video-driver thing |
| 03:54.19 | ToxicSun | oh |
| 03:54.28 | ToxicSun | how do i check if i have the right driver |
| 03:54.36 | Wyzard | I don't mean that you're using the wrong driver |
| 03:54.45 | Wyzard | just that to "fix" it would involve modifying the video driver |
| 03:54.46 | ToxicSun | no i know |
| 03:54.59 | ToxicSun | while were on the topic sort of thing |
| 03:55.12 | Wyzard | It puts the card into graphics mode but doesn't immediately display anything, so you see whatever garbage happens to be in video memory |
| 03:55.24 | Wyzard | until it gets overwritten with a picture |
| 03:55.42 | ToxicSun | yeah |
| 03:56.08 | Wyzard | What kind of video card do you have? |
| 03:56.40 | ToxicSun | asus v9280 128mb |
| 03:56.55 | ToxicSun | im not sure if there are different models of the v9280 |
| 03:56.58 | ToxicSun | i just got it |
| 03:57.00 | ToxicSun | my friend was like here |
| 03:57.08 | ToxicSun | "ok" |
| 03:57.13 | Wyzard | Google tells me that's an nVidia Ti4200 |
| 03:57.17 | ToxicSun | that and 512mb of ram |
| 03:57.19 | ToxicSun | yeah |
| 03:57.21 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:57.27 | Wyzard | There are three drivers that will work with that card |
| 03:57.40 | Wyzard | "vesa" is the generic driver that works on pretty much anything, but it's slow |
| 03:58.06 | ToxicSun | yeah |
| 03:58.06 | Wyzard | "nv" is the open-source nVidia-specific driver that's faster for 2D, but doesn't support 3D |
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| 03:58.07 | ToxicSun | yup |
| 03:58.13 | Wyzard | and there's nVidia's proprietary driver, which is more tricky to install, but gives you 3D support |
| 03:58.21 | Azar | Wyzard: will etch have an improvement there? |
| 03:58.29 | Wyzard | You asked how to find out if you're using the "right" one... do you know which one you're currently using? |
| 03:58.34 | Wyzard | Azar: Improvement in what way? |
| 03:58.36 | ToxicSun | vesa |
| 03:58.41 | ToxicSun | i didnt know that was the option i was choosing |
| 03:58.45 | Azar | 3D for nvidia |
| 03:58.47 | ToxicSun | but i realize now im using vesa |
| 03:58.52 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:59.15 | Wyzard | Azar: If you want nVidia's proprietary driver out-of-the-box, use Ubuntu |
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| 03:59.41 | Azar | Wyzard: no, I only want to be able to get 3D accelleration for Debian games |
| 03:59.54 | Wyzard | Azar: Debian's not primarily a desktop-oriented distribution, so keeping non-free stuff out of the standard installation takes priority over out-of-the-box shiny 3D effects |
| 04:00.28 | Wyzard | You can certainly install the nVidia driver and get 3D, but afaik the installation procedure in etch is the same as it always has been |
| 04:00.39 | Azar | Wyzard: I was trying Egoboo, but without 3D accelleration, it does not play |
| 04:00.56 | Wyzard | then you want to install the nvidia driver |
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| 04:01.20 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: Presumably you don't want to use vesa in the long run... do you want nv (open-source, 2D only) or nvidia (3D, proprietary)? |
| 04:01.25 | Azar | Wyzard: yep.. when I will install Etch |
| 04:01.46 | ToxicSun | 3d if i can figure it out |
| 04:01.48 | Wyzard | Azar: You don't have to upgrade to etch to install the nVidia driver |
| 04:01.51 | ToxicSun | sounds like i might have trouble |
| 04:02.08 | Azar | Wyzard: I installed the nvidia driver but I am using nv |
| 04:02.10 | Wyzard | !tell ToxicSun about nvidia one-liner |
| 04:02.18 | ToxicSun | haha |
| 04:02.34 | Wyzard | It's a pretty frequent question here so there's a canned answer for it :-) |
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| 04:02.53 | Azar | Sarge with 2.6.8 only gets nv |
| 04:02.53 | kingsley | Has version 2 of firefox been unofficially packaged? If so, where's the .deb? |
| 04:02.54 | ToxicSun | um |
| 04:02.54 | Wyzard | When you reconfigure X in the last step, the list of available drivers will now have a new option, "nvidia", that wasn't there before |
| 04:03.04 | ToxicSun | i dont know what that just said |
| 04:03.11 | ToxicSun | but does that mean i can solve this with apt-get |
| 04:03.19 | Wyzard | Azar: I've been using nVidia's driver on this box for six years |
| 04:03.28 | Wyzard | Azar: since before 2.6 kernels even existed |
| 04:03.37 | Wyzard | Azar: I'm pretty sure it's possible to use nVidia with 2.6.8 :-) |
| 04:03.57 | Azar | Wyzard: I installed nVidia with the one-liner |
| 04:04.22 | Azar | but I dont get the "nvidia" module, only "nv" in the menu |
| 04:04.31 | thingfish | it's definitely possible |
| 04:04.38 | Wyzard | Double-check that nvidia-glx is installed |
| 04:04.42 | Wyzard | (It's a package) |
| 04:04.56 | Azar | kingsley: the latest and greatest of it are not distributed with the "stable" |
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| 04:05.15 | Wyzard | Azar: No, stable won't give you the latest version, but it'll give you *a* version |
| 04:05.42 | Azar | Wyzard: yes I picked it when I did xserver-xfree installation |
| 04:05.43 | Wyzard | In the past six years I've used every version of that driver that's been in Debian, with every version of the kernel that's been released |
| 04:07.26 | Wyzard | nvidia-glx is what gives you the "nvidia" option in the xserver-xfree86 configuration |
| 04:07.44 | Wyzard | so if the option is missing, check the package |
| 04:07.58 | Azar | hmm, then it must be the video card not having the 3D accelleration |
| 04:08.08 | Wyzard | No, that has nothing to do with it |
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| 04:08.11 | ToxicSun | this is awesome |
| 04:08.15 | ToxicSun | i like this setup a lot |
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| 04:08.19 | ToxicSun | i wish i had tried debian before |
| 04:08.23 | ToxicSun | i am pretty psyched |
| 04:08.28 | Wyzard | The xserver-xfree86 configuration doesn't know anything about your video card's capabilities |
| 04:08.30 | ToxicSun | and as it turns out, I like gnome more than kde |
| 04:08.31 | Azar | Wyzard: Egoboo runs slow, I mean, very slow |
| 04:08.52 | Wyzard | You could choose "nvidia" from that menu even if you had an ATI card, and it'd let you... X would just fail to start afterward |
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| 04:09.13 | Wyzard | "nvidia" not showing up on the list would not be caused by your video card lacking some feature |
| 04:09.37 | Azar | Wyzard: dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 has only "nv" for me |
| 04:09.53 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: Debian has a bit of a learning curve compared to other mainstream distros like Ubuntu and Fedora, but it's very maintainable in the long-term |
| 04:10.17 | Wyzard | Azar: and I'm saying, check that nvidia-glx is properly installed, because nvidia-glx is what provides the option that you're missing |
| 04:10.23 | Azar | Wyzard: it might be on higher kernel versions, but not on 2.6.8 I never seen nvidia |
| 04:10.37 | Wyzard | The kernel version has nothing to do with it either |
| 04:10.37 | Azar | Wyzard: how can I check? |
| 04:10.56 | ToxicSun | maybe, wyzard but you guys are more helpful than the guys in #linux... i like them too but i think you guys make up for the difficulties |
| 04:11.12 | Wyzard | Azar: ls /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o |
| 04:11.26 | Wyzard | Azar: That file, provided by the nvidia-glx package, is what causes "nvidia" to show up in the xfree86 configuration list |
| 04:12.15 | Azar | Wyzard: nv_drv.o |
| 04:12.21 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: Oddly, Debian has a reputation for being elitist, and you'll see that attitude in here sometimes too... just ignore those people; not everyone is like that |
| 04:12.30 | Wyzard | Azar: No, that's the free one that you're using now |
| 04:12.39 | Wyzard | Azar: There should *also* be a nvidia_drv.so |
| 04:12.58 | Azar | Wyzard: you mean I should install it from nvidia site instead of using the one-liner? |
| 04:13.03 | Wyzard | no |
| 04:13.18 | Azar | there is no nvidia_drv.o |
| 04:13.20 | Azar | only nv |
| 04:13.23 | Wyzard | Always use the Debian-packaged version of the driver |
| 04:13.27 | abrotman | you broked it! |
| 04:13.33 | Wyzard | ...and that's why I said to check nvidia-glx |
| 04:13.37 | Azar | me? oh? |
| 04:13.37 | Wyzard | Go ahead and "apt-get install nvidia-glx" |
| 04:13.46 | Azar | ok |
| 04:14.07 | man_in_shack | is there a way to disable auto-detection of ethernet devices with etch netinstall beta 3? |
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| 04:14.28 | abrotman | maybe if you do expert mode |
| 04:15.20 | Azar | ok Wyzard, now I need to reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 04:15.37 | Wyzard | Check that /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is there now -- it should be |
| 04:15.41 | Wyzard | and then reconfigure X |
| 04:15.51 | Azar | yep it is :) |
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| 04:18.06 | DaBlade | Wyzard: Why should people always use Debian's nvidia packages? |
| 04:18.30 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: because they have the rights sets of dependencies and they interact properly with the other packages. |
| 04:18.31 | DaBlade | I find installing Debian's packages a cumbersome process.. Doing things with nVIDIA's installer reduces a half-an-hour process to five minutes. |
| 04:18.39 | Wyzard | DaBlade: because they're managed by Debian's packaging system and can be cleanly uninstalled and automatically upgraded |
| 04:18.42 | pipeline | DaBlade: Because if you don't, other packages may fuck you in the ass when it comes to OpenGL libraries/headers. |
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| 04:18.50 | Wyzard | and because they're tailored to Debian |
| 04:18.52 | Skiver | kepht, any luck ? |
| 04:18.58 | DaBlade | I guess those are good reasons |
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| 04:19.03 | Wyzard | nVidia's installer may "work", but it just dumps a bunch of files on your system |
| 04:19.07 | Wyzard | messy |
| 04:19.07 | pipeline | DaBlade: If the package system is unaware that you have nVidia's OpenGL libraries installed, it'll replace them with incompatible OpenGL libs of its own. |
| 04:19.22 | DaBlade | pipeline: xorg.conf :P |
| 04:19.24 | kepht | Skiver: no, still trying to figure out why text disappears |
| 04:19.32 | Wyzard | I said earlier that Debian is very maintainable in the long term... the package system is a big part of the reason why |
| 04:19.38 | DaBlade | anyhow, I've never had such problems so far |
| 04:19.47 | Wyzard | and non-packaged "dump a bunch of files" installers circumvent that |
| 04:19.51 | Skiver | kepth: what's your version of libcairo ? |
| 04:19.56 | DaBlade | Only after kernel upgrades I need to rerun the installer. Aside from that, it works fine |
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| 04:20.32 | kepht | libcairo2-1.2.4-4 (tried downgrading to 1.2.4-1) |
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| 04:20.49 | Wyzard | DaBlade: We're not saying that nVidia's installer won't work, in the sense that you won't get 3D or something |
| 04:20.53 | Wyzard | just that it makes a mess of your system |
| 04:20.56 | adrenaline | what is the name of the 64 bit debian |
| 04:21.02 | Skiver | kepth : did you try to restart your x and font server? |
| 04:21.03 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 04:21.03 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 04:21.03 | Wyzard | adrenaline: The port is called "amd64" |
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| 04:21.09 | DaBlade | Wyzard: It has yet to make a mess out of my system. |
| 04:21.11 | kepht | Skiver: i'm limited to only gtk1.2 and console apps |
| 04:21.26 | Wyzard | DaBlade: It already has |
| 04:21.27 | adrenaline | join #amd64 |
| 04:21.31 | DaBlade | Then again, I've got a few years of experience.. maybe beginners have an easier time screwing up. |
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| 04:21.44 | DaBlade | Wyzard: Well, if that's so, I haven't noticed it. |
| 04:21.46 | Wyzard | By "mess", again, I don't mean things not working |
| 04:21.51 | Wyzard | right, you haven't noticed |
| 04:21.56 | kepht | Skiver: you asked about a screenshot, just imagine firefox without any text in the toolbars, for example |
| 04:21.57 | adrenaline | no one is there |
| 04:22.08 | DaBlade | Wyzard: Show me how it screwed it up :) |
| 04:22.35 | Wyzard | By "mess" I mean a bunch of files that dpkg didn't put there, and that will never be cleanly removed or upgraded, or moved to a new location if a future version of X makes that necessary |
| 04:22.47 | adrenaline | does anybody have any experience with 64bit debian? |
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| 04:22.59 | Wyzard | With the packages you get experienced Debian maintainers managing your nVidia installation in a Debian-tailored way |
| 04:23.14 | abrotman | adrenaline: try on OFTC |
| 04:23.18 | ToxicSun | wyzard is there a command to tell you version numbers of applications |
| 04:23.28 | abrotman | ToxicSun: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 04:23.28 | Skiver | kepht, i had that every once in a while after dist-upgrade, can you get someone to restart the service ? |
| 04:23.30 | pipeline | DaBlade: err, no, that's not going to cover it. |
| 04:23.32 | DaBlade | Wyzard: And all I do to fix it is rerun the installer with the appropriate --x-module-path= |
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| 04:23.39 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: "dpkg -s <packagename>" will tell you about the installed version of any package |
| 04:23.45 | abrotman | ToxicSun: or dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 04:23.51 | Wyzard | DaBlade: And what about the old files in the old location? |
| 04:23.56 | kepht | Skiver: restart which service? |
| 04:24.16 | DaBlade | Wyzard: There's this app, KleanSweep. I run it from time to time. It takes care of them. :) |
| 04:24.44 | Wyzard | DaBlade: How does KleanSweep know which files to remove and which to keep? |
| 04:24.47 | DaBlade | Wyzard: But I can certainly agree with your arguments, or at least some. But I've personally found this way more practical. :) |
| 04:24.59 | Skiver | kepht, font server. |
| 04:24.59 | ToxicSun | apt-get only has mozilla 1.7.8 and not 2? |
| 04:25.05 | ToxicSun | or my system only has 1.7.8 |
| 04:25.07 | DaBlade | Wyzard: It just makes a list, I choose which to and which not to delete. |
| 04:25.09 | abrotman | mozilla is not firefox |
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| 04:25.15 | ToxicSun | oh |
| 04:25.16 | ToxicSun | right |
| 04:25.23 | kepht | Skiver: well, i've tried restarting X |
| 04:25.24 | ToxicSun | tehe :} |
| 04:25.26 | abrotman | mozilla is the gargantuan suite |
| 04:25.30 | DaBlade | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=28631 |
| 04:25.32 | Wyzard | DaBlade: If all you care about is that you have 3D graphics Right Now, nVidia's installer will meet that need |
| 04:25.39 | kepht | as for font service, dunno |
| 04:25.42 | DaBlade | Wyzard: :) |
| 04:25.45 | DaBlade | Wyzard: You got it. :) |
| 04:25.58 | kepht | i've tried dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 04:26.09 | DaBlade | After X or kernel updates, I just rerun the installer. Nothing more to it. |
| 04:26.13 | Wyzard | DaBlade: but I've been running unstable on this box for six years, upgrading daily... things change and evolve over time, and dumping a bunch of unmanaged files somewhere is the sort of thing that leads to subtle breakage in the long term |
| 04:26.32 | DaBlade | Wyzard: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=28631 |
| 04:27.33 | pipeline | DaBlade: That's ridiculous. |
| 04:27.44 | DaBlade | It works for me at least. |
| 04:28.07 | DaBlade | Maybe next time I do a Debian install on a box, I'll use the Debian method. |
| 04:28.17 | DaBlade | But so far, I haven't had any problems with this method. |
| 04:29.43 | Wyzard | :-P |
| 04:29.45 | DaBlade | Comparing Debian to Windows is like comparting a Volvo with a Yugo. |
| 04:30.03 | ToxicSun | HAHAH |
| 04:30.13 | abrotman | at least a yugo runs ... |
| 04:30.21 | ToxicSun | hey i love volvos |
| 04:30.25 | pipeline | DaBlade: They're roughly equally reliable, but Yugos are much cheaper? |
| 04:31.04 | DaBlade | At least if you crash in a volvo you're not likely to be dead. :) |
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| 04:35.36 | Skiver | kepht, i'm totally out of idea, trying gtk2.0 instead of 1.2 |
| 04:35.44 | Azar | Wyzard, thanks, awesome |
| 04:36.05 | kepht | Skiver: appreciate the help anyhow |
| 04:36.25 | Wyzard | Azar: egoboo works now? :-) |
| 04:36.43 | Azar | I am reinstalling it, but trackballs works like a charm |
| 04:37.31 | Wyzard | Azar: btw, egoboo is nice, but if you want a dungeon-crawling game, you should try ToME -- much more addictive, and it doesn't even need OpenGL :-) |
| 04:38.45 | Azar | Wyzard the package name is "tome" ? |
| 04:38.49 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 04:39.11 | Wyzard | It's a text-based roguelike, similar to nethack |
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| 04:39.35 | InterTwined | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 04:39.37 | Wyzard | (but it can take advantage of X by opening multiple windows and using a wider variety of colors) |
| 04:39.38 | InterTwined | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
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| 04:39.52 | Wyzard | !ops someone please kline InterTwined |
| 04:39.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: wyzard complains about: someone please kline InterTwined |
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| 04:41.46 | ToxicSun | whats the difference between blank screen and screen saver disabled |
| 04:41.56 | ToxicSun | it never goes to the blank screen |
| 04:41.58 | Wyzard | The former means that the screensaver is a black screen |
| 04:42.00 | ToxicSun | and it just shows desktop |
| 04:42.09 | Wyzard | The latter means that there's no screensaver at all |
| 04:42.12 | ToxicSun | ok |
| 04:42.28 | ToxicSun | at first i thought they were the same and then i realized |
| 04:43.53 | ToxicSun | file browser > konqueror |
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| 04:46.36 | Azar | Wyzard, this is strange, I installed both games but openbox does not have them |
| 04:47.06 | Wyzard | They might not add themselves to the menus -- that's something that has to be implemented in the package; it's not automatic otherwise |
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| 04:48.07 | manudeb | Hi... Can some one tell me how to add a windows entry in Grub menu ??? my xp partition is on HDA2 ?? |
| 04:48.13 | Azar | should I reinstall openbox? |
| 04:48.18 | manudeb | i added : |
| 04:48.22 | Wyzard | No, it's not an openbox problem |
| 04:48.29 | manudeb | title Microsoft Window |
| 04:48.32 | Azar | uh so how I start them? |
| 04:48.34 | Azar | tome? |
| 04:48.39 | Wyzard | from a shell or whatever |
| 04:48.41 | Wyzard | yes, tome |
| 04:48.43 | manudeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.50 | manudeb | but it doesn t work |
| 04:49.05 | Azar | bash: tome: command not found |
| 04:49.08 | Wyzard | manudeb: /hdev/hda2 is (hd0,1), not (hd0,0) |
| 04:49.23 | Wyzard | manudeb: and you'll want to use "rootnoverify" rather than "root" since a Windows filesystem isn't understandable to GRUB |
| 04:49.39 | Wyzard | manudeb: After that line, put "chainloader +1" to tell GRUB to load and run the boot sector from the partition |
| 04:50.17 | Wyzard | (Actually, I think you can just write "chainloader (hd0,1)+1" and omit the "rootnoverify" line entirely) |
| 04:50.38 | manudeb | ok |
| 04:50.40 | manudeb | thanks |
| 04:50.50 | Wyzard | Azar: Are you sure you have the "tome" package installed? |
| 04:51.02 | Wyzard | Azar: The actual program is /usr/games/tome, but /usr/games should be on your path |
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| 04:52.24 | Azar | Wyzard, I figured it out, yes they both work, yay, thanks so much |
| 04:52.33 | Wyzard | have fun |
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| 04:52.35 | Azar | 3 years to figure out why Egoboo does not work |
| 04:52.39 | Wyzard | lol |
| 04:52.48 | adrenaline | anybody running 32 bit debian on a 64 bit machine? |
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| 04:53.42 | plb | hm anyone else get an error about missing default skin when trying to launch gmplayer? |
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| 04:57.37 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 04:57.55 | shingouz | so the gnaa is still here pestering us.. :s |
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| 05:08.07 | Firefishe | If I want to install debian with a later kernel--2.6.17, for instance--now, before the release of 4.0 in December, what would I need to do? |
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| 05:09.09 | Wyzard | Firefishe: backports.org |
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| 05:09.31 | Firefishe | Wyzard: thanks, I'll take a look at it |
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| 05:12.45 | niles | what ftp server supports virtual hosts ? |
| 05:13.08 | Wyzard | niles: proftpd does |
| 05:13.15 | cached_ | proftpd, pureftpd and many others. |
| 05:13.31 | niles | it's a shame vsftp doesnt |
| 05:13.32 | niles | thanx fellaz |
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| 05:17.36 | netdaemon | anyone here have a hp pavilion dv6000z? |
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| 05:22.12 | george | netdaemon: better to ask the actual question yon came to ask, I guess... or try #hardware |
| 05:22.47 | codemarauder | I have Debian Testing running on Thinkpad 2887 MQ6 which is showing these errors - spurious APIC interrupt on CPU#0, should never happen. and psmouse.c: bad data from KBC - timeout bad parity |
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| 06:08.32 | |pepo| | hi friends |
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| 06:09.44 | _rnz- | head on, applied directly to the forehead, head on applied directly to the forehead |
| 06:10.38 | netdaemon | net installs on dialup are fun :P |
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| 06:12.11 | Red_Cloud | I am going to install another linux distro along with my debian-kde os. Can I override or delete the Grub boot manager? Do I have to uninstall it from my debian packages? |
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| 06:12.24 | manfred22 | GNAA > * |
| 06:12.36 | rob | o.O |
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| 06:17.21 | odla | yo |
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| 06:21.35 | martian67 | hey |
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| 06:27.36 | atdt_ | does anyone know where I could get an mplayer package for the ARM architecture? I tried building it from source, but this device is too slow to build it. |
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| 06:30.05 | atdt_ | hello? |
| 06:30.05 | dondelelcaro | atdt_: it will have built for arm in unstable shortly. |
| 06:30.09 | atdt_ | ah |
| 06:30.12 | atdt_ | thank you |
| 06:30.28 | atdt_ | how shortly? I'm leaving for a trip soon |
| 06:30.31 | dondelelcaro | (if it hasn't already done so) |
| 06:30.56 | atdt_ | it's not in the debian repositories |
| 06:31.03 | atdt_ | so I guess not |
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| 06:32.15 | dondelelcaro | atdt_: http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?&pkg=mplayer&ver=1.0%7Erc1-3&arch=arm&stamp=1162442349&file=log is why the most recent build failed. |
| 06:32.22 | dondelelcaro | it'll probably get tried again eventually. |
| 06:32.24 | atdt_ | er |
| 06:32.30 | atdt_ | can you tinyurl that? |
| 06:32.44 | atdt_ | this doesn't have copy+paste capabilites yet |
| 06:33.17 | dondelelcaro | atdt_: just visit buildd.debian.org and search for mplayer |
| 06:33.25 | atdt_ | alright |
| 06:33.59 | dondelelcaro | it's not a terribly exicitng error; probably the buildd ran out of disk or something else |
| 06:34.49 | atdt_ | :P |
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| 06:36.43 | DestrucTIONs | DCC SEND "LOLLILO" 0 0 0 |
| 06:36.44 | DestrucTIONs | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:36.44 | DestrucTIONs | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
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| 06:39.57 | odla | wtf? |
| 06:40.07 | atdt_ | f'ing G-N-A-A |
| 06:40.20 | atdt_ | stupid troll organization |
| 06:40.24 | odla | lol |
| 06:40.31 | atdt_ | with stupit f'ing bots |
| 06:40.32 | odla | a troll organization? |
| 06:40.35 | atdt_ | yup |
| 06:40.46 | atdt_ | they post on slashdot with bots |
| 06:41.08 | atdt_ | they use bots to say things on IRC channels in all they major networks |
| 06:41.19 | atdt_ | and they are generally annoying jerks |
| 06:41.19 | odla | stupid |
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| 06:41.47 | manfred22 | boy i hope my dad is finally asleep so i can turn my incest porn on louder |
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| 06:42.02 | atdt_ | WTF |
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| 06:42.26 | ToxicSun | hey wyzard are you still here? |
| 06:42.30 | Roger_The_Bum | aww |
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| 06:42.33 | joshTURNER | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:42.38 | Roger_The_Bum | where's the fuzzy little troll? |
| 06:42.38 | atdt_ | ARGJ |
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| 06:42.40 | Roger_The_Bum | oh |
| 06:42.41 | joshTURNER | DCC SEND "LOLLILO" 0 0 0 |
| 06:42.42 | Roger_The_Bum | here we go |
| 06:42.43 | joshTURNER | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:42.46 | joshTURNER | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
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| 06:42.49 | joshTURNER | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
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| 06:42.56 | atdt_ | Yes |
| 06:42.58 | Roger_The_Bum | ahh |
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| 06:43.06 | atdt_ | HOORAH |
| 06:43.23 | vipersniper | how do i make tar.gz packages with apt-build |
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| 06:43.26 | Roger_The_Bum | aww |
| 06:43.27 | atdt_ | who were the people it knocked off this time? |
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| 06:43.32 | Roger_The_Bum | the show's over |
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| 06:43.52 | lostRON | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:43.59 | Roger_The_Bum | atdt_: psychonate, nokrev, ryanium, javamaniac, and jesseman_ |
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| 06:44.01 | odla | if i'm watching a dvd with several episodes with mplayer how do i choose episode 2 |
| 06:44.01 | atdt_ | oh fucking hell |
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| 06:44.06 | manfred22 | boy i hope my dad is finally asleep so i can turn my incest porn on louder |
| 06:44.12 | nokrev | huh? |
| 06:44.16 | atdt_ | someone ban manfred22 |
| 06:44.22 | manfred22 | why? |
| 06:44.23 | odla | !ops |
| 06:44.24 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 06:44.30 | manfred22 | !ops odla asking |
| 06:44.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: manfred22 complains about: odla asking |
| 06:44.48 | atdt_ | yay |
| 06:44.52 | Roger_The_Bum | ^_^ |
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| 06:44.54 | clocker | gracias |
| 06:44.54 | odla | what a dick |
| 06:44.57 | microphone | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:45.08 | nokrev | dpkg: ops $problem |
| 06:45.08 | Roger_The_Bum | what a dick |
| 06:45.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: nokrev complains about: $problem |
| 06:45.09 | odla | can't they ban that ip |
| 06:45.12 | atdt_ | ARGH SHUT THE FUCK UP OYU CUCKING FUCK |
| 06:45.15 | psychonate | He could at least spam something actually funny. |
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| 06:45.25 | Roger_The_Bum | please no |
| 06:45.29 | vipersniper | is it possible to make tar.gz packages with apt-build? |
| 06:45.31 | atdt_ | it's a spam network |
| 06:45.39 | atdt_ | vipersniper: no idea, sorry |
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| 06:45.41 | ronjeremy | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:45.41 | Roger_The_Bum | goddamnit |
| 06:45.41 | ronjeremy | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:45.46 | odla | lol |
| 06:45.47 | atdt_ | FUCK |
| 06:45.47 | ronjeremy | DCC SEND "LOLLILO" 0 0 0 |
| 06:45.48 | odla | ronjermey |
| 06:45.49 | ronjeremy | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:45.52 | ronjeremy | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
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| 06:46.06 | d0uglas | i'm really stunned by how hard it is to get banned here |
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| 06:46.13 | bifimussmit | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:46.14 | *** mode/#debian [+r] by rob |
| 06:46.15 | bifimussmit | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:46.22 | atdt_ | someone version the people it knocked off and see what they're using |
| 06:46.23 | odla | where is dondelelcaro? |
| 06:46.25 | zinx | d0uglas: they're getting banned from the network |
| 06:46.29 | d0uglas | ok |
| 06:46.32 | rob | I'm onto it :) |
| 06:46.33 | Roger_The_Bum | mirc probably |
| 06:46.38 | d0uglas | atdt: you mean gline? |
| 06:46.41 | zinx | d0uglas: they're just coming back on with different hosts |
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| 06:46.48 | atdt_ | no, they're getting klined |
| 06:46.53 | atdt_ | :( |
| 06:46.56 | d0uglas | well kline ain't gonna do sheeit |
| 06:47.03 | zinx | K-line is network wide on freenode |
| 06:47.06 | Roger_The_Bum | atdt_: kline is effectively a gline |
| 06:47.08 | atdt_ | ah |
| 06:47.14 | Roger_The_Bum | I know |
| 06:47.21 | d0uglas | zline saves bandwidth |
| 06:47.23 | Roger_The_Bum | I've been on the other side |
| 06:47.25 | d0uglas | according to wikipedia |
| 06:47.40 | atdt_ | what client are the people who got knocked off using? |
| 06:47.44 | Roger_The_Bum | also, the way freenode works |
| 06:47.53 | nokrev | I'm using Colloquy; got kicked. |
| 06:48.02 | Roger_The_Bum | hmm? |
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| 06:48.10 | atdt_ | never heard of Colloquy |
| 06:48.16 | nokrev | Great Mac client. |
| 06:48.17 | Roger_The_Bum | I'm using colloquy, and I didn't |
| 06:48.21 | atdt_ | ah |
| 06:48.23 | nalioth | it's not the client, it's a piece-of-crap router that does it |
| 06:48.28 | atdt_ | ohhh |
| 06:48.29 | Roger_The_Bum | ahh |
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| 06:48.34 | Roger_The_Bum | which route |
| 06:48.35 | Roger_The_Bum | r |
| 06:48.36 | atdt_ | good thing I'm using DD-WRT |
| 06:48.46 | nalioth | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.46 | nokrev | Hmm, I've got a fairly good Netgear one (well, two, actually). |
| 06:48.53 | Roger_The_Bum | I have a linksys |
| 06:48.53 | atdt_ | DD-WRT micro that is |
| 06:49.01 | Roger_The_Bum | I assume one of the linux ones |
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| 06:49.03 | nokrev | Ugh. Linksys. Yuck! |
| 06:49.04 | Roger_The_Bum | because it |
| 06:49.05 | dondelelcaro | odla: sorry, was in another window ordering books |
| 06:49.10 | Roger_The_Bum | 's not v5 |
| 06:49.21 | atdt_ | I'm using a WRT54G v5 :( |
| 06:49.27 | Roger_The_Bum | there there |
| 06:49.36 | Roger_The_Bum | vxworks is no laughing matter! |
| 06:49.39 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:49.40 | *** mode/#debian [-r] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:49.43 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:49.48 | atdt_ | before I was using a windows 98 PC with a dial-up connectopn |
| 06:49.57 | Roger_The_Bum | which isp |
| 06:50.01 | reiner-meifert | windows 98 is still a great OS |
| 06:50.04 | odla | dondelelcaro: no worries...i just saw you here 2 minutes ago :D |
| 06:50.06 | reiner-meifert | better than windows XP |
| 06:50.09 | atdt_ | earthlink then and earthlink now |
| 06:50.13 | Roger_The_Bum | ahh |
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| 06:50.20 | Roger_The_Bum | we had AOL back in the day |
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| 06:50.24 | atdt_ | reiner-meifert: what are you smoking |
| 06:50.28 | Roger_The_Bum | we switched in 99 |
| 06:50.30 | d0uglas | anyone remember geoworks? |
| 06:50.34 | tabris|away | yes |
| 06:50.40 | nokrev | d0uglas: not old enough ;) |
| 06:50.43 | atdt_ | I know the name from somewhere |
| 06:50.44 | reiner-meifert | atdt_, bantam tabacco, why? |
| 06:50.45 | d0uglas | i think netcraft has confirmed its death |
| 06:50.51 | atdt_ | nothing |
| 06:50.56 | Roger_The_Bum | isn't that bsd? |
| 06:50.59 | atdt_ | beos FTW |
| 06:50.59 | tabris|away | I remember geoworks. it was an early windowing system, on top of DOS |
| 06:51.05 | Roger_The_Bum | wait |
| 06:51.09 | d0uglas | right tabris |
| 06:51.11 | Roger_The_Bum | osx is bsd |
| 06:51.12 | tabris|away | haven't heard of it since '94 |
| 06:51.22 | d0uglas | aol had a geoworks port |
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| 06:51.22 | atdt_ | beos or geoworks? |
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| 06:52.13 | atdt_ | hmm, brb |
| 06:52.24 | atdt_ | what is this, the mass exodus? |
| 06:52.32 | reiner-meifert | what? |
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| 06:52.38 | rum99 | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:52.41 | rum99 | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:52.41 | atdt_ | AGG |
| 06:52.41 | reiner-meifert | hi rum99 |
| 06:52.44 | rum99 | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:52.45 | atdt_ | no |
| 06:52.47 | d0uglas | sigh |
| 06:52.51 | reiner-meifert | wtf? |
| 06:53.01 | atdt_ | reiner-meifert: you know him? |
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| 06:53.11 | jcreigh | irssi users: /ignore -regexp -pattern 'LOL THE GAY' * |
| 06:53.12 | reiner-meifert | not really, lol |
| 06:53.16 | atdt_ | IT'S A FUCKING BOTNET THEN ARAGRGARGA |
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| 06:53.28 | ricky11 | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:53.31 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:53.31 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-68-44-160-248.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:53.32 | *** part/#debian ricky11 (n=rand@c-68-44-160-248.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 06:53.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:53.32 | Xorm | >_< |
| 06:53.47 | atdt_ | what was that ignore command? the bot pushed it out |
| 06:53.50 | zinx | need a PRIVMSG based K-line |
| 06:53.55 | zinx | auto-K-line even |
| 06:53.57 | Xorm | <jcreigh> irssi users: /ignore -regexp -pattern 'LOL THE GAY' * |
| 06:54.16 | reiner-meifert | why does nobody do anything against those people? |
| 06:54.30 | dondelelcaro | reiner-meifert: uh... they're being banned and klined; just ignore them. |
| 06:54.37 | d0uglas | gets 'em excited |
| 06:54.37 | Xorm | mhm. |
| 06:54.46 | atdt_ | hmm |
| 06:54.53 | atdt_ | it doesn't work on bitchx |
| 06:55.06 | dondelelcaro | atdt_: time to switch to a real irc client? ;-) |
| 06:55.11 | atdt_ | oh well, I can live with it |
| 06:55.14 | d0uglas | yeah like xbitchx :P |
| 06:55.19 | atdt_ | what's wrong with bitchx? |
| 06:55.28 | dondelelcaro | um... it's not irssi? |
| 06:55.32 | atdt_ | I am using xbitchx :) |
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| 06:55.43 | d0uglas | dondelelcaro: s/irssi/erc? |
| 06:56.03 | atdt_ | at least I'm not using xchat |
| 06:56.21 | psychonate | I am. |
| 06:56.26 | atdt_ | err |
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| 06:56.37 | randomirc | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 06:57.01 | nokrev | I wonder what his motivation isâĶ? |
| 06:57.09 | atdt_ | it's a botnet |
| 06:57.12 | zinx | there must be some hole in some comcrap.net software or something |
| 06:57.17 | atdt_ | their motivation is annoyance |
| 06:57.22 | dondelelcaro | zinx: it's called windows... |
| 06:57.28 | d0uglas | according to wols_, obsessive compulsive trolling is in the dsm iv |
| 06:57.32 | atdt_ | at least it only got to say it once |
| 06:57.33 | zinx | dondelelcaro: i think i've heard of that |
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| 06:57.39 | atdt_ | "dsm iv"? |
| 06:57.44 | reiner-meifert | fucking trolls |
| 06:57.51 | reiner-meifert | someone kill them please |
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| 06:57.54 | d0uglas | diagnostic and statistical manual, fourth edition |
| 06:57.55 | bijur | hey all |
| 06:57.59 | atdt_ | ah |
| 06:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 656] by debhelper |
| 06:58.03 | d0uglas | the bible of mental diseases |
| 06:58.07 | atdt_ | ohhh |
| 06:58.09 | atdt_ | heh |
| 06:58.11 | bijur | bible! mental |
| 06:58.13 | bijur | cool! |
| 06:58.22 | d0uglas | k-rad even |
| 06:58.24 | bijur | what a way to start the erc |
| 06:58.33 | atdt_ | after that is "compulsive 1337-ness" |
| 06:58.40 | atdt_ | and "noobism" |
| 06:58.46 | atdt_ | related |
| 06:58.48 | bijur | sure is n00bism |
| 06:58.53 | bijur | is ma forte |
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| 06:59.03 | reiner-meifert | whats a forte? |
| 06:59.16 | Danamania | a strength |
| 06:59.21 | atdt_ | a boss from Mega Man video games, whY? |
| 06:59.23 | bijur | its that which does the latte |
| 06:59.32 | atdt_ | yay latte |
| 06:59.47 | bijur | yay latte? latter |
| 06:59.59 | atdt_ | no, lattes are good |
| 07:00.08 | atdt_ | they give me partial insanity sometimes |
| 07:00.10 | reiner-meifert | latte: umgangssprachlich das (mÃĪnnliche) Glied im erigierten Zustand - der Phallus |
| 07:00.10 | bijur | :danamania how very wise of you |
| 07:00.17 | atdt_ | and that is why they are good |
| 07:00.34 | bijur | :atdt_ how abt bibles? |
| 07:00.38 | atdt_ | ? |
| 07:00.44 | reiner-meifert | what? |
| 07:00.45 | bijur | do they give u partial insanity too? |
| 07:00.49 | atdt_ | no |
| 07:00.52 | atdt_ | just lattes |
| 07:00.53 | bijur | u sure? |
| 07:01.00 | atdt_ | it's the caffiene that does it |
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| 07:01.05 | ronj | LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL! |
| 07:01.08 | atdt_ | wood pulp just doesn't work |
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| 07:01.17 | atdt_ | heh |
| 07:01.28 | bijur | huh |
| 07:01.28 | reiner-meifert | wait |
| 07:01.29 | atdt_ | kline *!*@*.com |
| 07:01.35 | reiner-meifert | good idea |
| 07:01.39 | atdt_ | that would fix it |
| 07:01.40 | bijur | dinn know spam bots were so frequent here |
| 07:01.52 | atdt_ | look, they can't even get their grammar right |
| 07:01.56 | rob | bijur: just an attack is happening right now |
| 07:01.57 | d0uglas | i've never seen it like this and i am so oldschool |
| 07:02.00 | reiner-meifert | haha, how stupid |
| 07:02.01 | atdt_ | "i hope your" ? |
| 07:02.01 | george | apparantly it would have been lilos bday or something |
| 07:02.02 | reiner-meifert | what idiots |
| 07:02.09 | atdt_ | who is lilo? |
| 07:02.16 | reiner-meifert | where are the irc ops when you need them? |
| 07:02.16 | atdt_ | besides a bootloader |
| 07:02.18 | nokrev | founder of freenode, this server |
| 07:02.19 | d0uglas | atdt: wikipedia |
| 07:02.21 | atdt_ | ah |
| 07:02.22 | bijur | lilo :)) |
| 07:02.24 | rob | reiner-meifert: I am right here |
| 07:02.32 | atdt_ | not enough memory for firefox right now |
| 07:02.33 | reiner-meifert | rob, kline *!*@*.com |
| 07:02.38 | reiner-meifert | as atdt_ said |
| 07:02.40 | rob | heh.. no :) |
| 07:02.41 | bijur | i havent been around for long .. but i log in once ina while and stay on some times |
| 07:02.45 | reiner-meifert | maybe this would fix that problem |
| 07:02.52 | bijur | i have never seen #debian get spammed |
| 07:02.54 | bijur | cool! |
| 07:03.09 | bijur | guess the spammersinc.com is back ;) |
| 07:03.20 | george | ohh man... so you've been hiding under a rock... |
| 07:03.28 | atdt_ | only 32mb of EDO dram, and 45 mb of swap (which is actually faster than the ram) |
| 07:03.45 | bijur | whats the EDO ram? |
| 07:03.53 | atdt_ | extended data out |
| 07:04.02 | bijur | whats it about? |
| 07:04.07 | atdt_ | an old faster version of normal ram |
| 07:04.10 | reiner-meifert | windows 95 |
| 07:04.11 | bijur | as in what good is it? or whats the speciality |
| 07:04.14 | ApEtc | bijur: IT's just old RAM. :) |
| 07:04.15 | bijur | old is it? |
| 07:04.15 | george | it's about 32 mb |
| 07:04.17 | atdt_ | DDR ram is exponentially faster |
| 07:04.17 | bijur | oh okay thanks |
| 07:04.19 | reiner-meifert | its not old |
| 07:04.24 | atdt_ | yes it is |
| 07:04.26 | reiner-meifert | i got edo ram here |
| 07:04.28 | bijur | ddr isnt exponentially faster |
| 07:04.35 | atdt_ | a lot faster then |
| 07:04.36 | reiner-meifert | why should it be old? |
| 07:04.37 | bijur | i doubt whether they are faster at all |
| 07:04.39 | bijur | sometimes |
| 07:04.41 | george | linearly maybe ;) |
| 07:04.42 | d0uglas | exponentially?? that sounds fast |
| 07:04.45 | atdt_ | reiner-meifert: how old is your computer |
| 07:05.01 | atdt_ | and you like 98? kinda fits ;) |
| 07:05.02 | reiner-meifert | 1 year or something |
| 07:05.08 | george | bijur: upgrade your machine and see |
| 07:05.09 | reiner-meifert | i bought at ebay |
| 07:05.10 | bijur | well i had an athlon xp 2100+ running on 512 ddr on nforce |
| 07:05.10 | reiner-meifert | cheap |
| 07:05.15 | reiner-meifert | nice price!! |
| 07:05.18 | floundering | hi, lspci gives intel corp 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) for my sound, but modprobe snd-intel8x0 does not get it working :( google says I need snd_hda_intel instead which seems to be missing from stable, what do I do? |
| 07:05.19 | bijur | that wasnt quite fast |
| 07:05.27 | atdt_ | you cannot have a computer using EDO that was bought new 1 year ago |
| 07:05.35 | bijur | but then now i am using here an older 1200+ with 256 SD |
| 07:05.38 | atdt_ | EDO is oooold tech |
| 07:05.38 | reiner-meifert | why not atdt_? |
| 07:05.39 | bijur | which i see is faster |
| 07:05.41 | atdt_ | 1996 or so |
| 07:05.47 | reiner-meifert | 1996 is not old |
| 07:05.51 | atdt_ | dude |
| 07:05.55 | atdt_ | it's ten years |
| 07:05.57 | atdt_ | old |
| 07:05.58 | reiner-meifert | 1910 is old |
| 07:06.03 | bijur | 1996 is OLD :) |
| 07:06.07 | bijur | and i am a grandpa |
| 07:06.07 | reiner-meifert | why? |
| 07:06.08 | atdt_ | so is 5345 BC |
| 07:06.10 | reiner-meifert | who says that? |
| 07:06.11 | george | 1910 didn't have athlons |
| 07:06.12 | bijur | i am 1981 make! |
| 07:06.15 | atdt_ | but I'm not complaining |
| 07:06.16 | reiner-meifert | if it still works!! |
| 07:06.20 | bijur | who said they did? |
| 07:06.28 | atdt_ | reiner-meifert: it works, but it's still old |
| 07:06.40 | bijur | quite possible |
| 07:06.45 | reiner-meifert | if it works its not old |
| 07:06.53 | reiner-meifert | windows 98 still works great |
| 07:06.55 | bijur | well then .. i still work |
| 07:06.56 | reiner-meifert | and damn small linux |
| 07:06.58 | bijur | abt 50 hrs a week |
| 07:07.02 | reiner-meifert | because i had to run this before |
| 07:07.04 | bijur | am i old? |
| 07:07.11 | atdt_ | I'm using linux on a PDA with a 206mhz arm CPU and 32mb of ram |
| 07:07.11 | reiner-meifert | good question |
| 07:07.14 | bijur | damn small linux is damn retarded |
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| 07:07.18 | reiner-meifert | why? |
| 07:07.19 | atdt_ | but it's still old |
| 07:07.20 | reiner-meifert | dude!! |
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| 07:07.27 | atdt_ | what? |
| 07:07.30 | reiner-meifert | what! |
| 07:07.38 | george | what?? |
| 07:07.42 | bijur | ? |
| 07:07.44 | reiner-meifert | no way |
| 07:07.46 | bijur | what!?? |
| 07:07.48 | atdt_ | it has a wide touchscreen and a keyboard, and a CF and PC-card slot |
| 07:07.49 | george | way! |
| 07:07.54 | atdt_ | like a mini-laptop |
| 07:08.00 | ApEtc | atdt_: Zaurus? |
| 07:08.04 | reiner-meifert | but a mini laptop is old |
| 07:08.06 | atdt_ | 640x240 resolution |
| 07:08.11 | reiner-meifert | today those laptops are big!! |
| 07:08.11 | atdt_ | no, it's from 2001 |
| 07:08.20 | atdt_ | it's not a laptop |
| 07:08.23 | bijur | well 2001 isnt old! |
| 07:08.26 | reiner-meifert | thats already old |
| 07:08.27 | atdt_ | it's a "handheld pc" |
| 07:08.29 | reiner-meifert | why not? |
| 07:08.30 | bijur | PDA |
| 07:08.35 | reiner-meifert | DAMN |
| 07:08.36 | atdt_ | "handheld PC" |
| 07:08.39 | reiner-meifert | WHAT IS OLD? |
| 07:08.46 | bijur | Public Display of Affection |
| 07:08.51 | ApEtc | reiner-meifert: Bob Barker |
| 07:08.53 | george | bijur: it depends on what you are measuring |
| 07:08.55 | bijur | now thats certainly old |
| 07:08.59 | bijur | ,old |
| 07:09.07 | atdt_ | a PDA is something without a keyboard that you have to use matchbox or OPIE or qtopia or GPE on |
| 07:09.20 | george | and Carol Marrol or whatever her name is :) |
| 07:09.23 | atdt_ | this is an HP Jornada 720 handheld pc |
| 07:09.30 | bijur | atdt_: a PDA is a Public display of affection |
| 07:09.44 | atdt_ | in the handheld pc community, people are adamant about HPCs not being pdas |
| 07:09.55 | atdt_ | bijur: yes, they're synonyms |
| 07:09.55 | bijur | u know whats old? the guy who is the protagonists dad in that new movie the covenent |
| 07:10.14 | bijur | atdt_: see !! i knew IT! |
| 07:10.15 | atdt_ | what's old is the universe |
| 07:10.25 | reiner-meifert | my grandpa is old!! |
| 07:10.28 | reiner-meifert | :::DDDDDDDDDDDDDd |
| 07:10.30 | bijur | hey |
| 07:10.33 | george | what's new is also the universe |
| 07:10.37 | bijur | thats a surprise |
| 07:10.39 | bijur | mine too |
| 07:10.48 | reiner-meifert | how old? |
| 07:10.49 | bijur | yeah relative to the universe |
| 07:10.53 | bijur | universe is new |
| 07:10.55 | atdt_ | ok, this "old" discussion is officially beating an almost-dead horse |
| 07:10.58 | reiner-meifert | but not old like the universe |
| 07:11.08 | enouf | !tell floundering about simple sid backport |
| 07:11.11 | bijur | is the almost deadhorse old or new? |
| 07:11.14 | ApEtc | atdt_: Is it getting old? |
| 07:11.19 | atdt_ | STFU FOOLS |
| 07:11.27 | atdt_ | lol |
| 07:11.46 | atdt_ | anyway |
| 07:11.50 | reiner-meifert | i dont think this is the way to go |
| 07:11.57 | bijur | yeah |
| 07:12.00 | bijur | old is the way to go |
| 07:12.01 | bijur | :) |
| 07:12.06 | george | shoulda turned left? |
| 07:12.06 | enouf | pipelined-burst |
| 07:12.24 | reiner-meifert | but a little kid is new? |
| 07:12.26 | reiner-meifert | isnt it? |
| 07:12.34 | reiner-meifert | why would this make sense at all? |
| 07:12.39 | bijur | reiner_meifert: yes indeed |
| 07:12.45 | atdt_ | two programmers hacked up a debian-arm distro with a keyboard, touchscreen, and framebuffer driver |
| 07:12.49 | k-man | what is the debian way of enabling php5 in apache2? |
| 07:12.56 | atdt_ | it's called "720degrees" |
| 07:12.58 | reiner-meifert | k-man, thats old |
| 07:13.03 | atdt_ | 720degrees.org |
| 07:13.07 | bijur | php5-mode |
| 07:13.19 | reiner-meifert | php5-module |
| 07:13.23 | reiner-meifert | i think |
| 07:13.27 | bijur | do an apt-cache search apache2 |grep php5 |
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| 07:14.01 | atdt_ | maybe I'll set up an apache server just so I can read me ebooks by going to localhost |
| 07:14.17 | bijur | install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 07:14.20 | reiner-meifert | warezed ones? |
| 07:14.24 | atdt_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.25 | bijur | sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 07:14.35 | bijur | and restart apache2 |
| 07:14.39 | reiner-meifert | sudo? |
| 07:14.41 | atdt_ | project gutenberg |
| 07:14.45 | reiner-meifert | are we talking about ubuntu? |
| 07:14.53 | enouf | if as a user yes |
| 07:14.54 | atdt_ | lol sudo |
| 07:15.05 | damentz_ | isnt sudo an ubuntu thing? |
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| 07:15.09 | damentz_ | i find it kind of pointless |
| 07:15.15 | bijur | i have been using sudo since the very beginning even before the arrival of ubuntu |
| 07:15.15 | atdt_ | and mac OS x |
| 07:15.17 | reiner-meifert | its old |
| 07:15.22 | enouf | no .. sudo has it's place .. ubuntu's silliness with sudo came afterwards |
| 07:15.32 | atdt_ | a real admin does all his work as root |
| 07:15.32 | george | damentz_: sudo been around a long time |
| 07:15.33 | bijur | anouf: i agree |
| 07:15.33 | damentz_ | i prefer using su or sux |
| 07:15.39 | k-man | bijur, i did install libapache2-mod-php5, and it seems to be there, but its not set up for apache to load it |
| 07:15.40 | bijur | sudo is absolutely useful |
| 07:15.42 | atdt_ | and all his user stuff too |
| 07:15.43 | damentz_ | well i mean, how did sudo get so popular |
| 07:15.48 | damentz_ | i find it an annoyance |
| 07:15.52 | reiner-meifert | sudo sucks |
| 07:15.54 | enouf | atdt_: a real admin doesn't need to ask :-p |
| 07:16.01 | george | sux sudos |
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| 07:16.02 | atdt_ | ask what? |
| 07:16.09 | reiner-meifert | ask? |
| 07:16.10 | bijur | k-man: go into the /etc/apache2/mods-enabled and see if php5 is enabled |
| 07:16.15 | CcSsNET | yes, i agrea sudo is an anoyance |
| 07:16.20 | enouf | su-su-sudio .. oh the noes |
| 07:16.24 | CcSsNET | theres no need for it in most situatioons |
| 07:16.30 | k-man | bijur, it appears in the mods-available and not mods-enabled |
| 07:16.33 | reiner-meifert | sudo apt-get remove sudo |
| 07:16.40 | reiner-meifert | :s |
| 07:16.44 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 07:16.57 | george | that could be a bit dangerous :) |
| 07:16.58 | enouf | might aas well just remove all winlusers from this channel as well |
| 07:16.59 | k-man | bijur, can i just ln to it? |
| 07:17.03 | bijur | well it'd be stupid to be working around using root all the time |
| 07:17.20 | bijur | and its an annoyance to log in to root everytime you want to do something diff.. |
| 07:17.21 | george | why? |
| 07:17.24 | reiner-meifert | root rocks |
| 07:17.32 | reiner-meifert | check windows, also always root |
| 07:17.37 | damentz_ | bijur, how is it dangerous |
| 07:17.38 | reiner-meifert | and its secure, if you want to |
| 07:17.43 | george | well if you want to take that risk.... go for it |
| 07:17.44 | reiner-meifert | that not dangerous |
| 07:17.46 | enouf | since they have no clue about what root is and/or does .. neither are they considered to be "readers" |
| 07:17.50 | bijur | k-man: just copy it across to the mods-enabled |
| 07:17.53 | reiner-meifert | i use antivirus and firewall on my xp box |
| 07:17.56 | damentz_ | it is users fault for being dangerous as root temporarily with su |
| 07:17.58 | reiner-meifert | and i never had virus or hacker |
| 07:17.59 | k-man | bijur, ok |
| 07:18.05 | damentz_ | i dont even know how stupid you can be to do that unintentionally |
| 07:18.33 | george | or how stupid you'd have to be? :) |
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| 07:18.35 | enouf | most people are stoopid :-) |
| 07:18.47 | george | some people are phat |
| 07:18.48 | reiner-meifert | nooo |
| 07:18.50 | damentz_ | whats stoopid?? |
| 07:18.52 | bijur | reiner_meifert: thats not true .. windows doesnt always use root.. dont be ridiculous.. and whenever they use they open up a lot of vulnerabilities |
| 07:18.58 | enouf | some are chunky :-p |
| 07:19.05 | reiner-meifert | bijur, windows is always root |
| 07:19.13 | reiner-meifert | there are no windows root |
| 07:19.16 | enouf | no it isn't |
| 07:19.17 | reiner-meifert | because there is linux root |
| 07:19.21 | george | not all windows |
| 07:19.21 | reiner-meifert | and not windows root |
| 07:19.22 | reiner-meifert | for linux |
| 07:19.39 | reiner-meifert | windows 98 is still o.K. |
| 07:19.42 | enouf | here we go .... |
| 07:19.47 | bijur | w00t! |
| 07:19.49 | Wyzard | reiner-meifert: Windows' "run everything as administrator" design is widely considered to be a *flaw*, and something Microsoft is attempting to fix with Vista |
| 07:19.51 | enouf | I'm off for a bit |
| 07:20.05 | damentz_ | i heard vista is going to blow |
| 07:20.06 | reiner-meifert | i said so Wyzard |
| 07:20.09 | tjousk | wfw3.11 ! |
| 07:20.09 | damentz_ | wait it already does |
| 07:20.10 | damentz_ | darn |
| 07:20.14 | bijur | well in xp also they are common users without admin rights too right? |
| 07:20.14 | reiner-meifert | but vista is like xp |
| 07:20.18 | reiner-meifert | only new llook |
| 07:20.20 | reiner-meifert | and feel |
| 07:20.20 | george | windows didn't exactly come across and say "HEY LINUS! Let's get together for coffee and see how we can combine our wonderful OSes!!" |
| 07:20.20 | Wyzard | reiner-meifert: It's kinda ridiculous to suggest that we should do the same insecure thing in Linux because it's done in Windows already |
| 07:20.21 | craigevil | SuSeVista |
| 07:20.30 | atdt_ | it'll be like a vacuum cleaner: it'll blow and suck at the same time |
| 07:20.40 | reiner-meifert | Wyzard, why? windows works fine and is secure if you want it to |
| 07:20.45 | Wyzard | bijur: yes, but running as one is very inconvenient |
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| 07:20.52 | reiner-meifert | think about that! |
| 07:20.56 | reiner-meifert | like linux!! |
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| 07:21.05 | damentz_ | i havent had security issues with xp |
| 07:21.07 | damentz_ | mostly its the user |
| 07:21.10 | atdt_ | oh no |
| 07:21.19 | damentz_ | dont use ie and dont run a crap load of apps at the same time and your safe |
| 07:21.26 | atdt_ | what if the gnaa morons get the idea to use Tor with their spambots |
| 07:21.26 | reiner-meifert | you can run everything as root |
| 07:21.28 | damentz_ | well services |
| 07:21.29 | reiner-meifert | thats safe |
| 07:21.34 | damentz_ | its mostly the apps you use that get exploited |
| 07:21.35 | reiner-meifert | i also run my apache as root |
| 07:21.37 | reiner-meifert | never had problems |
| 07:21.39 | damentz_ | so you have to choose wisely |
| 07:21.41 | reiner-meifert | why should i? |
| 07:21.46 | bijur | well damentz_... which browser do u use? |
| 07:21.52 | george | reiner-meifert: like I say... you can be stupid if you want to be... but that's no reason for advocating stupidity in general, whether it's yours you want to advocate or not |
| 07:21.56 | damentz_ | opera in windows, firefox in linux |
| 07:22.05 | reiner-meifert | why stupid, george? |
| 07:22.11 | reiner-meifert | dont be discriminating please |
| 07:22.20 | Wyzard | atdt_: Then you kline the Tor exit nodes |
| 07:22.23 | reiner-meifert | i also dont tell you how stupid you are |
| 07:22.23 | atdt_ | i'd use opera, but it doesn't have a Stumbleupon plugin |
| 07:22.35 | damentz_ | it doesnt have flash player 9 support |
| 07:22.36 | bijur | opera in windows is good idea |
| 07:22.40 | damentz_ | thats why i dont use it in linux yet |
| 07:22.51 | bijur | cos firefox it seems is only mariginally better than ie in terms of security |
| 07:22.55 | reiner-meifert | does flashplayer work with youtube?? |
| 07:23.01 | damentz_ | yes |
| 07:23.03 | Xorm | ? |
| 07:23.04 | reiner-meifert | i love watching youtube videos |
| 07:23.07 | Xorm | youtube uses flash. |
| 07:23.07 | george | reiner-meifert: that would be because you don't know me :) but you are advocating a seriously stupid thing to do, especially for new people |
| 07:23.09 | damentz_ | player 9 does |
| 07:23.10 | Xorm | I think. |
| 07:23.12 | Wyzard | reiner-meifert: because it's a big risk, and even if you personally haven't had any security issues that you were aware of, it's still a big risk |
| 07:23.21 | damentz_ | if your overload cpu though for a second, the audio and video will hang |
| 07:23.21 | bijur | atdt_: Stumble upon .. the only reason i use firefox! |
| 07:23.27 | reiner-meifert | the risk is only if you are a dumb admin |
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| 07:23.33 | reiner-meifert | and use vulnerable software |
| 07:23.39 | atdt_ | same here |
| 07:23.40 | reiner-meifert | i wrote my own software |
| 07:23.48 | reiner-meifert | thats secure!! |
| 07:23.49 | george | reiner-meifert: get it straight... for NEW PEOPLE |
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| 07:23.56 | reiner-meifert | nobody could hack my software |
| 07:24.02 | reiner-meifert | because nobody got the source |
| 07:24.04 | reiner-meifert | you get it? |
| 07:24.05 | k-man | ok, it looks like apache is loading now, but its still not processing .phtml files |
| 07:24.05 | Wyzard | reiner-meifert: Stop trolling |
| 07:24.17 | reiner-meifert | Wyzard, stop being discriminmating |
| 07:24.18 | george | reiner-meifert: are you... sure about that? :) |
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| 07:24.32 | reiner-meifert | try to hack me george |
| 07:24.34 | bijur | k-man:.phtml should be mentioned in the apache.conf file in the /etc/apache2/ |
| 07:24.43 | Wyzard | reiner-meifert: (btw, nobody (outside Microsoft) has the source to Windows, so you can't really say that not having the source means nobody can hack you) |
| 07:24.44 | george | I thought win source has been out for awhile |
| 07:24.51 | bijur | reiner-meifart: stop talking nonsense |
| 07:24.51 | craigevil | does anyone have XP/Vista source? |
| 07:24.56 | atdt_ | aaand watch reiner-meifert get syn-flooded' |
| 07:24.59 | reiner-meifert | Wyzard, but some people have windows source |
| 07:25.08 | reiner-meifert | parts of it |
| 07:25.12 | reiner-meifert | leaked |
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| 07:25.15 | CcSsNET | i got some win95 source i believe |
| 07:25.16 | atdt_ | that doesn't help |
| 07:25.23 | reiner-meifert | why not? |
| 07:25.24 | Wyzard | and Windows was attacked many times long before its code was leaked |
| 07:25.30 | k-man | bijur, its mentioned in the php5.conf |
| 07:25.31 | reiner-meifert | no way |
| 07:25.42 | reiner-meifert | you cant attack windows if you use firewall and good antivirus |
| 07:25.44 | Wyzard | At any rate, you're trolling, scrolling lots of lines making absurd claims |
| 07:25.44 | bijur | k-man you got it working? |
| 07:25.53 | reiner-meifert | windows is always that secure as YOU are |
| 07:26.06 | reiner-meifert | if YOU are not secure, your windows isnt either |
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| 07:26.10 | reiner-meifert | but also your linux isnt |
| 07:26.14 | george | you get horrible viruses in win, just by opening the wrong email... that just doesn't happen in linux |
| 07:26.15 | reiner-meifert | as root or as administrator |
| 07:26.18 | CcSsNET | lol @ reiner-meifert. you got alot! to learn man lol |
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| 07:26.19 | reiner-meifert | that doesnt care |
| 07:26.20 | suppaman | hello |
| 07:26.23 | bijur | reiner-meifert: you good.. stick to windows.. why are u here by the way? |
| 07:26.29 | atdt_ | hello suppaman |
| 07:26.35 | Wyzard | ...right, a firewall and antivirus make Windows completely impenetrable... nevermind things like buffer overflows in the JPEG decoder or IE exploits |
| 07:26.36 | reiner-meifert | because i use linux, bijur |
| 07:26.41 | k-man | bijur, no... still not working |
| 07:26.43 | suppaman | does anyone know how to record audio from line out ? |
| 07:27.10 | cahoot | suppaman: arecord |
| 07:27.11 | k-man | hmmm... |
| 07:27.45 | bijur | k-man: in /etc/apache2/apache.conf there is an entry to look for the files like .html .php etc.. add .phtml in that list |
| 07:27.49 | reiner-meifert | Wyzard, ie exploits doesnt work if you got your own browser!! |
| 07:27.50 | george | reiner-meifert: well whatever. you can do what you want to/with your machine... |
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| 07:28.11 | reiner-meifert | try coding c++ modular base |
| 07:28.13 | reiner-meifert | its cool |
| 07:28.17 | bijur | ok coming back to whether sudo is a good idea or not |
| 07:28.18 | reiner-meifert | i learned at school |
| 07:28.21 | bijur | i believe it is .. |
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| 07:28.32 | reiner-meifert | why do you trhink so? |
| 07:28.43 | reiner-meifert | noobs can still get root |
| 07:28.44 | george | I think we've already discussed that to death myself |
| 07:28.47 | rohan | is there any way to boot computer from an iso ? my cd burner is currently gone kaput |
| 07:28.53 | CcSsNET | it is in certain situations in my opinion. others its anoying though |
| 07:28.59 | reiner-meifert | rohan, kaput? |
| 07:28.59 | k-man | bijur, are you running apache2? |
| 07:29.00 | bijur | its a brillian idea especially cos it remembers the passwd and everytime u run a root command u r running it knowing that u r root cos u r typing in something like 'sudo' before it |
| 07:29.04 | rohan | reiner-meifert: its not working |
| 07:29.08 | bijur | k-man: yes |
| 07:29.11 | Wyzard | rohan: no |
| 07:29.12 | reiner-meifert | you mean kaputt |
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| 07:29.19 | george | !u |
| 07:29.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:29.24 | rohan | damn |
| 07:29.25 | rohan | :( |
| 07:29.29 | reiner-meifert | why |
| 07:29.30 | reiner-meifert | not? |
| 07:29.32 | atdt_ | nick atdt|away |
| 07:29.41 | k-man | bijur, on mine the entries for .php and .phtml are included from a file called php5.conf |
| 07:29.45 | Wyzard | !tell reiner-meifert about enter |
| 07:29.47 | atdt|away | !ne1 |
| 07:29.47 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 07:29.56 | reiner-meifert | okay, sorry, Wyzard :/ |
| 07:29.56 | k-man | bijur, they are not in the original apache.conf file |
| 07:30.04 | atdt|away | !wud |
| 07:30.05 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 07:30.07 | reiner-meifert | dont cray |
| 07:30.21 | enouf | rohan : it's a hardware issue? or the installer isn't recognizing your Cdrom/derive? |
| 07:30.25 | enouf | drive* |
| 07:30.34 | reiner-meifert | bye atdt|away!! |
| 07:30.35 | bijur | k-man: i think thats where it shud be |
| 07:30.42 | bijur | k-man: not sure .. :( |
| 07:30.45 | bijur | sorry abt that |
| 07:31.05 | bijur | i only access .php mostly .. never a .phtml though |
| 07:31.12 | reiner-meifert | !tell bijur about enter |
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| 07:31.29 | enouf | !lartsmite reiner-meifert |
| 07:31.52 | enouf | I think I temporarily kileed dpkg by accident again :-( |
| 07:31.56 | bijur | why are u telling me man! actually nothing happened though .. i still cant see anything |
| 07:31.59 | reiner-meifert | does anyone here take meth??? |
| 07:32.03 | enouf | !test |
| 07:32.03 | dpkg | Sorry, enouf, I didn't get your test. |
| 07:32.06 | Wyzard | reiner-meifert: go away |
| 07:32.10 | george | !anyone |
| 07:32.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 07:32.18 | enouf | ahh .. sweety .. you're there and well .. thanks dpkg |
| 07:32.31 | bijur | !great |
| 07:32.31 | dpkg | somebody said great was cool |
| 07:32.31 | reiner-meifert | Wyzard, go away yourself |
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| 07:32.41 | atdt|away | !wtf |
| 07:32.50 | bijur | what the fuck is wtf? |
| 07:32.58 | atdt|away | there's a BSD wtf command? |
| 07:33.05 | george | now -that- is stupid :) |
| 07:33.05 | bijur | really? |
| 07:33.08 | bijur | what does it do? |
| 07:33.09 | reiner-meifert | hahahahah |
| 07:33.10 | reiner-meifert | idiots |
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| 07:33.13 | atdt|away | apparently so |
| 07:33.13 | roxy_ | if I change unstable to testing in source.list and update/upgrade after a couple of month, shouldn't I have a proper testing system ? |
| 07:33.33 | reiner-meifert | wtf is what the fuck |
| 07:33.33 | reiner-meifert | !!! |
| 07:33.33 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 07:33.33 | enouf | rohan rohan .. wherefore art thou rohan |
| 07:33.33 | atdt|away | usage: wtf <abbreviation> |
| 07:33.33 | rohan | enouf: here ? |
| 07:33.33 | bijur | roxy_: after a couple of years |
| 07:33.40 | rohan | enouf: sorry, i was not paying attention |
| 07:33.43 | rohan | enouf: its a hardware problem |
| 07:33.44 | atdt|away | !bash |
| 07:33.45 | dpkg | i heard bash is the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
| 07:33.53 | roxy_ | bijur: I said to testing not stable :-) |
| 07:33.56 | atdt|away | that bot is useful |
| 07:33.57 | craigevil | just use the testing netinstall if you want testing |
| 07:33.59 | atdt|away | !mplayer |
| 07:33.59 | dpkg | methinks mplayer is in Debian (sid). But maybe you want to use vlc or xine instead? Feel free to also see <marillat>, <mplayer faq>, <w32codecs>. Or look at "http://www.debian-multimedia.org/". |
| 07:34.04 | atdt|away | !vlc |
| 07:34.05 | dpkg | it has been said that vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 07:34.17 | bijur | roxy_: ok make that a year |
| 07:34.25 | rohan | enouf: actually, the drive is so screwed that i have to disable dma, else windows, or any other linux distr wont start. and k3b hangs at detecting drives |
| 07:34.34 | rohan | enouf: so i have to disconnect the drive for the pc to even work |
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| 07:34.39 | reiner-meifert | do you know where to get limewire pro?? |
| 07:34.47 | rohan | reiner-meifert: this is not the place to ask |
| 07:34.54 | atdt|away | !reiner-meifurt |
| 07:35.05 | atdt|away | !freenode |
| 07:35.05 | dpkg | i heard freenode is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network, irc.freenode.net, and you can visit their web page at http://freenode.net/. You may be connected to Freenode. see also <oftc> and <fact sharing> |
| 07:35.07 | enouf | rohan: oh .. ok .. only way is if you already have an ISO on the HDD .. er .. maybe can copy from across the network ... Oh ok, see - I had one of those :-) I replaced it for 25$ :-) |
| 07:35.20 | chriscole | chriscole ft roxy_ Kurt rohan st_moto suppaman seemawn Edward_TLS GUIPEnguin_ opensea Piet aohell G_Apeiron cahoot factorx bijur floundering sudharsh Xorm reiner-meifert dererk jesseman_ nokrev psychonate aimtrainer obseleron fish1209 devicenull` mendred clocker atdt|away fluxi jcwong Angel-SL craigevil phpError FliesLikeABrick odla Alam_Debian ldexter Stevie-O Huahua str0ng Red_Cloud cyzie vmhobbes concept10 d0ug |
| 07:35.25 | roxy_ | craigevil: beyond the point. I can use debootstrap, debtakeover or make a clean install. I was just wondering about the time it would take for such a situation, not saying it was a good idea to do so. |
| 07:35.28 | rohan | enouf: hmm.. nice idea about network boot .. |
| 07:35.30 | chriscole | chriscole ft roxy_ Kurt rohan st_moto suppaman seemawn Edward_TLS GUIPEnguin_ opensea Piet aohell G_Apeiron cahoot factorx bijur floundering sudharsh Xorm reiner-meifert dererk jesseman_ nokrev psychonate aimtrainer obseleron fish1209 devicenull` mendred clocker atdt|away fluxi jcwong Angel-SL craigevil phpError FliesLikeABrick odla Alam_Debian ldexter Stevie-O Huahua str0ng Red_Cloud cyzie vmhobbes concept10 d0ug |
| 07:35.30 | Xorm | WUT |
| 07:35.35 | chriscole | rshakin vulture zOap syntaxis SimAtWork pingu simonrvn joepa focker nsx Sememmon moshii jel mac|gyver fluxdude Langer FUF sipingal umesh netman1 Se-chan solemnwarning evilgeek _sss_ Vitz spo0nman olemoudi filiated Kobaz BasL M0ffe Ironhand jzu_ jstevens glut tjousk JoshH Gumli Defty Rockj zarkdav Ferret KlemenS dendrite CAiRO Shadur jae Rydekull scoopex alindeman argonel ukine brick xtr tastapod inzion cureless Ra |
| 07:35.39 | chriscole | soop blue_sky Snake-Eyes keyboarder rE Piggy kb3ien jshoenberger Coweater nima hooya bernie Dibbler fernet hermann heanol RinzeWind RazaMetaL enouf keram ryushe skrewz Gods_gift ApEtc hollywoodstar Gathond Mutiny_ ead Shirc dondek spike723_ keith80403 tuv Amorphous Flusher zoid faljse dort yooseong Barnes predder Peggerr ryan` blondie Nameeater rk__ Bushmills mazza[W] tsss metellius iter slon Adrian ElectricElf di |
| 07:35.43 | Xorm | oh snap. |
| 07:35.43 | obseleron | wtf |
| 07:35.48 | obseleron | someone kill that |
| 07:35.49 | craigevil | just stay with Sid its not really that unstable |
| 07:35.49 | Wyzard | WhyTF are there a million trolls tonight? |
| 07:35.50 | simonrvn | fucking idiot |
| 07:35.50 | chriscole | ulti_io sunny256 ekix Eclipser k31th Guerin buu n0cturnal_ asg Knorrie mil ShdB vsmack nvzn Dibbler_ biz vertigo znx idimmu sussudio snail Bracki skidj tonsofpcs amphi Firehand threejane lee memic petemc hal1on junix baroni chii faked peterS De_Mon avtobiff bvs Celelibi jes-o-mat eeyore- yacc xdr [Cadet] Pr3m0n1t kakarot wakejagr ravenbird cricht0ff eye69 covbob meff tomaw_ cached_ Hak`M nextstate2 teun roe_ Trewa |
| 07:35.52 | bijur | yeah wth |
| 07:35.53 | enouf | !ops chriscole is spamming |
| 07:35.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: enouf complains about: chriscole is spamming |
| 07:35.55 | simonrvn | !ops chriscole |
| 07:35.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: simonrvn complains about: chriscole |
| 07:35.56 | *** join/#debian seemawn-laptop (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-159-101.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:36.05 | obseleron | he must be a #suse asshole |
| 07:36.09 | simonrvn | dumb fuck |
| 07:36.10 | enouf | hehe |
| 07:36.18 | bijur | *giggle* |
| 07:36.19 | obseleron | i hate morons |
| 07:36.22 | obseleron | kill him now |
| 07:36.29 | george | -maybe- he made an honest mistake... ever think of that?? |
| 07:36.36 | keram | yeah sure |
| 07:36.42 | obseleron | no |
| 07:36.44 | keram | the only honest mistake is no mistake at all! |
| 07:36.47 | obseleron | i hate dumbshits as well |
| 07:36.52 | bijur | well i am abit hungry .. i guess i ll just let the screen scroll .. hope ma emacs doesnt error out with some buffer errors |
| 07:37.01 | rohan | obseleron: i dont think its a good idea to blame suse for assholes. |
| 07:37.01 | obseleron | anyway |
| 07:37.05 | bijur | catch ya son guys |
| 07:37.08 | bijur | soon* |
| 07:37.15 | enouf | rohan: see this for 'possible' cdrom help http://people.debian.org/~fjp/d-i/ch05s03.html and the whole install process at taht |
| 07:37.19 | keram | probably one of those #ubuntu guys |
| 07:37.23 | keram | jerks |
| 07:37.26 | reiner-meifert | fuck ubuntu guys!! |
| 07:37.27 | roxy_ | craigevil: sid is not really unstable but always decide to be when you got something important to do :-) |
| 07:37.31 | bijur | keram:relax will u |
| 07:37.36 | keram | haha i'm joking |
| 07:37.44 | keram | seeing as how debian is very closely related to ubuntu |
| 07:37.45 | obseleron | rohan: it would be a long talk i will drop; but i do blame #suse, #ubuntu, and yes a bit of #fedora too |
| 07:37.46 | *** join/#debian paras (n=paras@12.206.0.84) |
| 07:37.46 | george | ok, so how many trolls are here at the moment |
| 07:37.47 | simonrvn | george: no that's totally intentional. seen it in #perl several times |
| 07:37.52 | rohan | thanks, enouf |
| 07:37.55 | enouf | raises hand :-p |
| 07:37.58 | rohan | obseleron: fine fine :P |
| 07:38.01 | enouf | rohan: no prob |
| 07:38.04 | george | simonrvn: just now? |
| 07:38.08 | obseleron | rohan: :) |
| 07:38.12 | rohan | obseleron: ;) |
| 07:38.30 | bijur | good day fellas .. catch ya soon :) |
| 07:38.40 | atdt|away | this bot is entertaining |
| 07:38.42 | george | not just now |
| 07:38.43 | obseleron | right now i am too busy to move my last fedora box into debian anyway |
| 07:39.00 | *** join/#debian Supaplex (n=rfc1413@shell.aros.net) |
| 07:39.00 | reiner-meifert | fedora 6 rocks |
| 07:39.03 | atdt|away | does it collect data on what people say? |
| 07:39.04 | reiner-meifert | my mother uses it |
| 07:39.09 | reiner-meifert | its better than debian |
| 07:39.15 | george | trolling |
| 07:39.17 | reiner-meifert | i mean ubuntu |
| 07:39.19 | reiner-meifert | sorry |
| 07:39.21 | atdt|away | reiner-meifert: stop trolling |
| 07:39.22 | reiner-meifert | debian is great |
| 07:39.22 | atdt|away | og |
| 07:39.24 | suppaman | cahoot: thx |
| 07:39.24 | obseleron | so i cannot fully blame them for having like lame retards as ops, the distro _might_ be good but they are dumber than the average ubuntu user :) |
| 07:39.24 | atdt|away | *oh |
| 07:39.26 | atdt|away | good |
| 07:39.31 | reiner-meifert | atdt|away, im not trolling |
| 07:39.31 | enouf | !troutsmite reiner-meifert |
| 07:39.37 | obseleron | now get the new debian stable running guys! |
| 07:39.37 | atdt|away | lol |
| 07:39.41 | enouf | bah .. I give up dpkg |
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| 07:40.01 | reiner-meifert | welcome back atdt_ |
| 07:40.06 | mherring0209 | debhelper_ can you help me with knoppix |
| 07:40.37 | george | wow... if this is how sunday is defined... |
| 07:40.41 | enouf | mherring0209: see #knoppix and knoppix.net |
| 07:41.07 | enouf | sundays the loons come outta the woodwork :-p |
| 07:41.14 | mherring0209 | enouf: i did, but noone is there |
| 07:41.43 | suppaman | cahoot: is it an alsa utility ? |
| 07:42.09 | atdt_ | the bot doesn't have an entry for #ubuntu |
| 07:42.14 | enouf | mherring0209: read theor TOPIC! |
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| 07:42.19 | enouf | their |
| 07:42.22 | suppaman | cahoot: I'm using oss |
| 07:42.41 | reiner-meifert | open source software? |
| 07:42.45 | atdt_ | !apt |
| 07:42.46 | dpkg | i heard apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 07:42.46 | george | just so ya know... oss is reaching EOL |
| 07:42.46 | reiner-meifert | yes |
| 07:42.49 | reiner-meifert | that rocks |
| 07:43.02 | suppaman | reiner-meifert: open sound system |
| 07:43.08 | atdt_ | what is this bot? |
| 07:43.11 | *** join/#debian GecKo` (n=gecko@125-237-21-83.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 07:43.13 | atdt_ | what IS it |
| 07:43.18 | reiner-meifert | a bot? |
| 07:43.20 | Phated | It's a blootbot. |
| 07:43.23 | george | an irc client |
| 07:43.24 | Phated | !what are you |
| 07:43.24 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 07:43.27 | reiner-meifert | !bot |
| 07:43.27 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 07:43.31 | atdt_ | ah |
| 07:43.39 | atdt_ | !blootbot |
| 07:43.40 | dpkg | well, blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 07:44.04 | mherring0209 | enouf: what do you mean "theor topic" |
| 07:44.17 | george | their |
| 07:44.18 | reiner-meifert | !limewire |
| 07:44.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, limewire is better known as lamewire - yet another braindead java p2p client. Not in debian. see http://www.limewire.com! GPL! |
| 07:44.29 | atdt_ | !kazaa |
| 07:44.29 | dpkg | well, kazaa is a file sharing system that uses the FastTrack Protocol. Except that it doesn't use the FastTrack protocol any more, because the FastTrack protocol changed. Also full of spyware. sends you to prison! |
| 07:44.39 | suppaman | !arecord |
| 07:44.41 | roxy_ | reiner-meifert, atdt_ : use /msg dpkg XXX |
| 07:44.52 | atdt_ | i have been |
| 07:44.54 | atdt_ | I forgot |
| 07:44.57 | reiner-meifert | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.01 | suppaman | atdt_: oh hi there |
| 07:45.17 | reiner-meifert | <reiner-meifert> XXX |
| 07:45.18 | reiner-meifert | <dpkg> stupid. |
| 07:45.22 | reiner-meifert | what a bot |
| 07:45.24 | *** part/#debian mherring0209 (n=mherring@c-24-16-169-54.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 07:45.49 | reiner-meifert | !sex |
| 07:45.49 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 07:45.53 | george | at least it knew the deal |
| 07:46.05 | atdt_ | fscking lol |
| 07:46.05 | george | !msg the bot |
| 07:46.06 | dpkg | it has been said that msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 07:46.41 | *** join/#debian deb-fun (n=open-0@unaffiliated/chairuou) |
| 07:46.57 | reiner-meifert | !cloak |
| 07:46.57 | dpkg | from memory, cloak is a disguise for your IP address over the IRC network. or, what James Bond do, using his DB9 to make an impression on girls. |
| 07:47.08 | atdt_ | !go away |
| 07:47.16 | enouf | see what i mean about non-readers? |
| 07:47.25 | reiner-meifert | !non-readers |
| 07:47.36 | cahoot | suppaman: oss? then sorry no idea |
| 07:48.08 | atdt_ | cool |
| 07:48.16 | george | reiner-meifert: you're using the bot to create small floods on the channel, apparently on purpose, given you can read. |
| 07:48.17 | atdt_ | it has slashdot headlines |
| 07:48.39 | Wyzard | george: reiner-meifert is a troll, just ignore him |
| 07:48.55 | george | evidently |
| 07:49.00 | reiner-meifert | idiot yourself |
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| 07:49.10 | *** join/#debian chriscole-female (i=cgiircus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/chriscole.info/x-9e1ad488cd463550) |
| 07:49.11 | *** join/#debian cat (n=cat@unaffiliated/cat) |
| 07:49.17 | atdt_ | !tell atdt_ about dpkg |
| 07:49.55 | obseleron | do not waste time on trolls, drive them to suicide by using the /ignore of your IRC client |
| 07:50.09 | george | !tell atdt_ about selftell |
| 07:50.17 | craigevil | dpkg ran away |
| 07:50.18 | atdt_ | um |
| 07:50.20 | atdt_ | I think I broke dpkg |
| 07:50.25 | atdt_ | :( |
| 07:50.33 | valdyn | !test |
| 07:50.36 | cat | did you? |
| 07:50.38 | Supaplex | ~flog atdt_ |
| 07:50.40 | apt | ACTION grabs a large padded bat and starts beating atdt_ |
| 07:50.41 | atdt_ | no idea |
| 07:50.44 | cat | dpkg isnt online |
| 07:50.45 | atdt_ | oh good |
| 07:50.50 | atdt_ | backup bot |
| 07:50.57 | cat | indeed |
| 07:51.10 | *** join/#debian SubStack (n=queso@56-14.trans.uaf.edu) |
| 07:51.20 | Supaplex | @say atdt_: break me and die |
| 07:51.21 | ravenbird | atdt_: break me and die |
| 07:51.24 | cat | wow i haven't really touched debian for a long time, |
| 07:51.46 | cat | lol |
| 07:52.05 | Wyzard | (Wasn't "chrisconsole" the one who, just awhile ago, pasted the channel's entire nick list into the channel?) |
| 07:52.07 | atdt_ | great |
| 07:52.30 | george | chriscole |
| 07:52.37 | george | that was the nick |
| 07:52.39 | atdt_ | "auto-ignoring apt for 10 minutes [MSG flood]: |
| 07:53.00 | Wyzard | oops, typo on my part |
| 07:53.00 | cat | atdt_: /set flood_rate 0 |
| 07:53.20 | Wyzard | so chriscole-female joins, dpkg gets killed for excess flood, and then chriscole-female gets killed, also for excess flood |
| 07:53.27 | *** join/#debian chriscole-female (i=cgiircus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/chriscole.info/session) |
| 07:53.29 | atdt_ | dun dun dunnnn |
| 07:53.32 | Wyzard | methinks more trolliness was afoot there |
| 07:53.39 | atdt_ | the sequel |
| 07:53.43 | chriscole-female | [08:48] *** chriscole-female mherring0209 deb-fun GecKo` cosm0z` Supaplex paras seemawn-laptop ft roxy_ Kurt st_moto suppaman seemawn Edward_TLS GUIPEnguin_ opensea aohell G_Apeiron cahoot factorx bijur floundering sudharsh Xorm reiner-meifert dererk jesseman_ nokrev psychonate aimtrainer obseleron fish1209 devicenull` mendred clocker atdt_ fluxi jcwong Angel-SL craigevil phpError FliesLikeABrick odla Alam_ |
| 07:53.43 | george | aaannnddd... herrreee we go again!@ |
| 07:53.47 | chriscole-female | [08:48] *** cyzie vmhobbes concept10 d0uglas Gumby mayday_jay jpin XXXXX SkareCrow raya_ chemaja Administrator__ rob zoobieboots solars_ Firefishe bwlang alexscott salman_ basanta Kage` JJ|Laptop zinx jansenq MegaR0m Faithful adrenaline jugglinx ColdFyre ToxicSun DaBlade Hydroxide telexicon h3sp4wn ascii__ bobesponja sng kalila SeanTater redguy_ maehbar gungnir scorpiion Adrian2 teco_ rem__ lish fowlduck sy |
| 07:53.47 | Wyzard | yep |
| 07:53.51 | chriscole-female | [08:48] *** anibal eggleston change Elive_user19 niroxx__ DarkCow scanf unixslut FallenHi1okiri anapivirtua sime Heartsbane epsilon lilalinux hadron Bombo Irrumator eleftherios lucia_office_ msn prolific aalex Lakez roz setog3 rawtaz_ relaxed devinx amee2k_ |[HP]|SgtDuke sabbat DaveyB Malagmyr_ brahma` rox holycow xtr-II Trixsey smacnay_ ArkoldThos streuner corp-mule olivierk Yvonne AhrAsyL Mazingaro x_link |
| 07:53.51 | atdt_ | fscking hell |
| 07:53.54 | chriscole-female | [08:48] *** fireba11_grr azeem_ CcSsNET XoR VolVE State-Prison tsurk0 Firestarter carlito_ ttz n3kl unreal iswm abchirk__ XSoul davi trousers caplink811_log spiff karrotx cusco RvGaTe Hoxzer gentgeen__ GrimWald Grub_Now colby NiCeBoY AfterBurner bonez39 vega-_ JohnDoh win_x_prts Bry2k200 Deepa dr_wut pipeline samiam RichiH Caelum damog ktwilight_ Aubustou_ jonatan Skiver k-man maple1 cb justin pinucset_ pin |
| 07:53.55 | Phated | Goddamnit. |
| 07:53.55 | Supaplex | @ops chriscole-female flooding |
| 07:53.56 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 07:53.56 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS: supaplex complains about: chriscole-female flooding |
| 07:53.57 | enouf | !ops |
| 07:53.57 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/chriscole.info/session] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:53.57 | *** part/#debian chriscole-female (i=cgiircus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/chriscole.info/x-12a43a83fb65ff38) |
| 07:53.57 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:53.59 | fowlduck | spam |
| 07:54.00 | telexicon | what is this nonsense? |
| 07:54.02 | obseleron | ha ha |
| 07:54.04 | Phated | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 07:54.07 | enouf | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 07:54.10 | Xorm | telexicon, I think it's a spambot |
| 07:54.10 | Phated | ... oh right. |
| 07:54.13 | seemawn | samma es reicht |
| 07:54.15 | obseleron | this must be an #ubuntu user for sure |
| 07:54.16 | *** part/#debian deb-fun (n=open-0@unaffiliated/chairuou) |
| 07:54.18 | cat | freaking biatch |
| 07:54.22 | Xorm | hahaha |
| 07:54.22 | Phated | dondelelcaro: dpkg is dead, someone killed her :( |
| 07:54.25 | telexicon | is it really? |
| 07:54.29 | Xorm | ! |
| 07:54.30 | Grub_Now | i hate spam bots |
| 07:54.33 | dondelelcaro | Phated: the bot'll come back... |
| 07:54.36 | cat | dpkg is just taking a brake |
| 07:54.46 | Supaplex | cat: yea, from atdt_ :-D |
| 07:54.48 | seemawn | I had to stand up and go to the computer twice becouse of chriscole |
| 07:54.49 | abchirk__ | hm could it be that it is unnessecary to call ops? the spammer did it some seconfs before :D |
| 07:54.54 | cat | i wonder what happend to bob2? |
| 07:54.54 | obseleron | cat: maybe having a coffee?? |
| 07:54.58 | abchirk__ | *seconds |
| 07:55.00 | george | hopefully not my brakes... or I couldn't stop! |
| 07:55.01 | obseleron | :P |
| 07:55.04 | mherring0209 | what is wrong with an #ubuntu user |
| 07:55.05 | atdt_ | I told it to do two thing in a row quick and it quit |
| 07:55.06 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Oh, does it autorejoin? Mmkay then, thought I'd shout :) |
| 07:55.20 | Wyzard | atdt_: It wasn't you, don't worry |
| 07:55.23 | dondelelcaro | well, it should autorejoin... assuming it can... |
| 07:55.24 | *** join/#debian yure (n=yure@dhcp-212-235-229-194.sd.uni-lj.si) |
| 07:55.26 | atdt_ | good |
| 07:55.28 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Indeed. |
| 07:55.35 | enouf | !tell mherring0209 about based on Debian |
| 07:55.36 | obseleron | mherring0209: you really asking this in the wrong place, ask it in #commonsense |
| 07:55.42 | *** join/#debian Piet (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) |
| 07:55.45 | Phated | enouf: Er, dpkg is dead ;) |
| 07:55.58 | george | mherring0209: nothing, as long as said ubuntu user doesn't ask ubuntu questions here |
| 07:56.04 | mherring0209 | obseleron: i luv ubuntu |
| 07:56.20 | Phated | mherring0209: And that's fine, just leave it out of #debian. |
| 07:56.21 | obseleron | mherring0209: do not impose your love on us |
| 07:56.21 | reiner-meifert | ubuntu is cool because it is debian |
| 07:56.30 | valdyn | mherring0209: some tend to become hostile when told that this isnt a ubuntu support channel |
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| 07:56.33 | telexicon | when does the new debian come out? |
| 07:56.35 | enouf | mherring0209: go tell the Knoppix channel |
| 07:56.40 | Wyzard | telexicon: sometime in December |
| 07:56.43 | valdyn | !wir |
| 07:56.48 | telexicon | hmm |
| 07:56.48 | enouf | ermm .. then again .. don't |
| 07:56.48 | valdyn | @wir |
| 07:56.49 | ravenbird | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
| 07:56.49 | cat | yeap |
| 07:56.49 | niles | Rawplayer: y0 |
| 07:56.49 | Wyzard | is the current plan |
| 07:57.03 | cat | new debian? |
| 07:57.07 | niles | anyone familair with tcpdump? |
| 07:57.13 | valdyn | wasn't that december 'plan' already postponed? |
| 07:57.16 | Wyzard | niles: what about it? |
| 07:57.29 | niles | Wyzard: an IP header under tcpdump -X http://rafb.net/paste/results/UIc2bI63.html lines 3 - 6 look too small to compries an IP packet. does the data that -X denotes(lines 3-6) only comprise just a piece of the IP header, such as from an offset? |
| 07:57.30 | george | @anyone |
| 07:57.30 | ravenbird | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 07:57.36 | mherring0209 | valdyn: yeah ubuntu has its own support channel |
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| 08:01.55 | Supaplex | oh, like a bash one liner right? ;) hehe |
| 08:01.58 | george | Supaplex: one logical line :P |
| 08:02.01 | atdt_ | !botbombing |
| 08:02.08 | Supaplex | !lart atdt_ |
| 08:02.09 | Phated | atdt_: Hey, you think maybe joining in and requesting factoids unnecessarily from the bots isn't helping the situation? |
| 08:02.10 | trout_` | Hello |
| 08:02.13 | unixslut | Hello |
| 08:02.16 | reiner-meifert | Hello |
| 08:02.16 | mherring0209 | phated: sorry for the confusion, but if i cannot find help at the #knoppix channel then where should i go |
| 08:02.31 | atdt_ | i do not need my attitude readjusted nor am I a luser |
| 08:02.31 | Supaplex | mherring0209: ask AOL |
| 08:02.44 | Phated | mherring0209: The knoppix website. Certainly NOT HERE. Again, this is offtopic - we do not, and will not, support Knoppix. |
| 08:02.45 | Supaplex | mherring0209: insist that it's AOL based and they'll help. |
| 08:03.03 | Supaplex | mherring0209: get the logic? :) and yes, it's kind of a joke. |
| 08:03.08 | enouf | mherring0209: You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 08:03.24 | Phated | enouf: Just tell him to /msg dpkg debian based |
| 08:03.37 | obseleron | Phated: he did that |
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| 08:03.40 | obseleron | to no avail |
| 08:03.41 | craigevil | why the hell would anyone install knoppix to begin with? |
| 08:03.44 | unixslut | confidential |
| 08:03.47 | trout_` | out of interest |
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| 08:03.51 | enouf | that's it! .. Phated .. erm no .. he can't read as it is :-p |
| 08:03.51 | obseleron | i think i will put that mherring0209 user to ingore |
| 08:03.56 | mherring0209 | thankyou. #knoppix said that #debian would be of some help |
| 08:04.03 | craigevil | its not made to be installed |
| 08:04.03 | Phated | obseleron: Right. |
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| 08:04.10 | atdt_ | fsck |
| 08:04.12 | Supaplex | they can't even support their own product? haha |
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| 08:04.24 | atdt_ | argh |
| 08:04.24 | streuner | Phated: men don't like the way "Do that" in a direct way... :-P |
| 08:04.29 | enouf | !wb |
| 08:04.33 | atdt_ | I need to ask it a question |
| 08:04.36 | Phated | mherring0209: #knoppix should not be telling people to get support from ANOTHER distro's help channel - just as, if you use Debian, we |
| 08:04.37 | Wyzard | mherring0209: Well, we can helpfully suggest you install Debian instead of Knoppix :-) |
| 08:04.38 | george | !ops unixslut trout_` reiner-meifert might be annoybots |
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| 08:04.40 | enouf | ugh! |
| 08:04.41 | Supaplex | we don't manage their affairs. We let them use our package manager, but we certianly have no obligation to assume what they are doing with it. |
| 08:04.47 | Phated | re not going to ask you to ask #knoppix. |
| 08:04.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: george complains about: unixslut trout_` reiner-meifert might be annoybots |
| 08:04.56 | reiner-meifert | lol? |
| 08:04.56 | mherring0209 | well thank you |
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| 08:05.02 | reiner-meifert | are you joking george? |
| 08:05.05 | Phated | atdt_: Msg it then, instead of annoying the channel. |
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| 08:05.11 | Wyzard | I'm pretty sure reiner-meifert is human, though likely drunk or high or something |
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| 08:05.30 | Phated | !beer dondelelcaro properly this time |
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| 08:05.40 | Phated | There :) |
| 08:05.44 | Phated | streuner: Fuck 'em then. |
| 08:05.44 | Supaplex | doh |
| 08:05.46 | atdt_ | ding dong, the witch is dead |
| 08:05.52 | enouf | peace at last? |
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| 08:06.44 | george | enouf: doubtful... they'll keep hitting the bots |
| 08:06.50 | Supaplex | @comfort dpkg |
| 08:06.50 | ravenbird | There, there, dpkg. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:06.52 | craigevil | isnt there a way to ban that domain? alot of the spam tonight is coming from the same versanet.de |
| 08:06.56 | Supaplex | :) |
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| 08:07.32 | Supaplex | where's an oper when you need one. (*sniff* - peace be with lilo) |
| 08:07.34 | george | including the gnaa thing? |
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| 08:17.13 | karsten_21 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV15 [GeForce2 GTS/Pro] (rev a4) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 08:17.16 | Phated | streuner: He isn't karsten ;) |
| 08:17.40 | valdyn | karsten_21: uname -r |
| 08:17.53 | karsten_21 | 2.6.17-2-686 |
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| 08:18.52 | karsten_21 | can anysome help? |
| 08:18.59 | valdyn | karsten_21: get the packages from sid, http://packages.debian.org/, nvidia-common, nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source... |
| 08:19.02 | george | !anysome |
| 08:19.08 | Supaplex | lol |
| 08:19.26 | streuner | nvidia-glx depends on 2.6.18 kernel |
| 08:19.34 | valdyn | streuner: oh? |
| 08:19.35 | karsten_21 | i dont use sid?? |
| 08:19.39 | valdyn | !depends nvidia-glx |
| 08:19.40 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776, x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libx11-6, libxext6 |
| 08:19.42 | valdyn | !depends nvidia-glx sid |
| 08:19.44 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776, x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libx11-6, libxext6 |
| 08:19.53 | Supaplex | karsten_21: then what do you use? |
| 08:19.57 | valdyn | sure it doesnt.. |
| 08:19.58 | karsten_21 | etch |
| 08:20.02 | karsten_21 | testing |
| 08:20.06 | streuner | valdyn: it installs 2.6.18 kernel here |
| 08:20.19 | fowlduck | bah |
| 08:20.33 | george | maybe nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776 deps on that kernel |
| 08:20.57 | karsten_21 | i had no dependence on kernel |
| 08:21.05 | valdyn | george: sure, nvidia-kernel ( no -source ) always depend on a very specific kernel |
| 08:21.09 | karsten_21 | it installs |
| 08:21.19 | karsten_21 | but it doesnt work with geforce2 pro |
| 08:21.30 | karsten_21 | does nvidia-glx work with geforce 2?? |
| 08:21.36 | valdyn | karsten_21: hold on |
| 08:21.39 | george | maybe the kernel installed, but he's not booted into it |
| 08:22.16 | george | !depends nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776 |
| 08:22.17 | karsten_21 | power button valdyn??? |
| 08:22.21 | valdyn | karsten_21: you need the legacy drivers |
| 08:22.29 | karsten_21 | legacy drivers? |
| 08:22.52 | karsten_21 | what is that legacy drivers? |
| 08:23.06 | george | <dpkg> Package 'nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776' does not exist. |
| 08:23.39 | streuner | george: nvidia-glx |
| 08:23.45 | george | !depends nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776 testing |
| 08:23.48 | valdyn | karsten_21: nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 08:23.59 | karsten_21 | ohhhh |
| 08:24.18 | karsten_21 | do i must to remove normal glx? |
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| 08:35.34 | roxy_ | someone knows the best channel to ask for help with twinkle ? |
| 08:35.44 | george | #twinkle? |
| 08:35.56 | roxy_ | george: nice try, but been there. |
| 08:35.57 | george | just a wild guess :) |
| 08:36.08 | roxy_ | was so loneley |
| 08:36.25 | whadar | you guys are really helpful! now last question: |
| 08:36.28 | george | so no one was there at all? |
| 08:37.05 | roxy_ | george: yes, I created the channel |
| 08:37.38 | george | roxy_: what action did chanserv take? |
| 08:38.05 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.24 | george | so chanserv did not remove your @? |
| 08:38.33 | Anarka | -ChanServ- The channel [#twinkle] is not registered |
| 08:38.34 | whadar | i've added an entry for /etc/fstab so it will mount /home over NFS... I almost sure the /home is getting dirty just before it should get mounted... so the mount fails. (i will trace it). is there a way to mount a dirty directory? |
| 08:38.39 | roxy_ | I am the master of my channel |
| 08:39.16 | george | so what's a twinkle? |
| 08:39.24 | roxy_ | george: soft phone |
| 08:39.28 | whadar | the logic i need is - dir is dirty ? > copy content to /tmp > mount dir > copy the content from /tmp |
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| 08:39.40 | valdyn | whadar: it doesnt really matter if /home is used or not for the mount to work |
| 08:39.56 | valdyn | whadar: or 'dirty' as you say |
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| 08:40.22 | whadar | valdyn: the mount will just ignore the content? |
| 08:40.34 | george | the mount will hide the content |
| 08:41.14 | valdyn | whadar: you can delete open files, same mechanism is in place when you mount over used directories. files in there stay in use till they're closed |
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| 08:41.28 | george | roxy_: maybe twinkle has a web page? |
| 08:42.08 | whadar | hmm... so i really don't know why /home is not mounted... are there any logs for fstab failures? |
| 08:42.28 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 08:42.29 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 08:42.52 | whadar | great! thanks |
| 08:43.18 | george | roxy_, other than that I have no idea for the best place |
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| 08:50.11 | insmod | whadar: can you mount /home seperate |
| 08:52.05 | whadar | insmod: manually? |
| 08:52.15 | insmod | whadar: ya |
| 08:52.45 | streuner | karsten_21: some troll from versanet caused that, /msg ganneff in order to get an exeption |
| 08:53.14 | whadar | just a sec... i think yes... i'm going to check things out |
| 08:56.39 | streuner | karsten_21: anyway, just install nvidia-glx or whatever and look into README file, there are a list of supported videocards... |
| 08:57.45 | jstevens | When I log in to my Etch box via GDM the root window displays a Debian image before turning black per my wmaker window manager config. How can I prevent the Debian image from displaying on my root window? |
| 08:59.24 | valdyn | jstevens: make your own xsession via ~/.xsession, gdm will pick that one when you select the default x session in gdm |
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| 09:01.04 | jstevens | valdyn: Ahh... OK, that explains why this is a recent change. I don't have a ~/.xsession. I'll take a stab at that. Thanks! |
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| 09:02.08 | insmod | jstevens: the default is /etc/skell |
| 09:02.11 | whadar | insmod: when i mount manually it displays "portmap: server localhost not responding, timeout" several times, and after a minute it really mount the NFS |
| 09:02.15 | valdyn | insmod: eh? |
| 09:02.50 | insmod | skel |
| 09:03.02 | streuner | karsten_21: as 'valdyn' already mentioned, this videocard is only supported by the lecacy driver of nvidia-glx |
| 09:03.13 | whadar | note that i have a user logged on at this time /home/casper on /tmpfs mount |
| 09:03.15 | valdyn | insmod: /etc/skel/ is default files for new users, doesn't concern him |
| 09:03.16 | streuner | s/driver/package/ |
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| 09:04.12 | whadar | boot.0 is look empty :( |
| 09:04.12 | insmod | valdyn: jstevens -- yes it does |
| 09:04.23 | valdyn | insmod: how so? |
| 09:04.32 | whadar | s/is look/looks |
| 09:04.46 | insmod | valdyn: resets all configs |
| 09:04.51 | valdyn | insmod: no |
| 09:04.57 | insmod | valdyn: ya |
| 09:05.11 | insmod | valdyn: for the dist yes |
| 09:05.27 | valdyn | insmod: /etc/skel/* simply gets copied into newly created user's ~/ when using adduser. |
| 09:06.02 | insmod | valdyn: or when you fck yours -- but it is default |
| 09:06.09 | valdyn | insmod: no |
| 09:06.13 | Malagmyr_ | I'm moving some users to a new box and I want to keep their passwords intact. Can I just replace their entries in /etc/shadow and /etc/shadow- with the original ones, or is there more? |
| 09:06.18 | insmod | valdyn: yaes |
| 09:06.21 | insmod | valdyn: yes |
| 09:06.41 | insmod | valdyn: that is why it is there |
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| 09:10.11 | valdyn | Malagmyr_: you can |
| 09:10.18 | Malagmyr_ | great! |
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| 09:10.30 | jstevens | Mmm... I did a touch ~/.xsession; chmod 755 ~/.xsession and I still get the Debian image on my root window after logging in via gdm and before wmaker runs autostart... |
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| 09:10.39 | Malagmyr | . |
| 09:10.45 | insmod | valdyn: i am right |
| 09:10.48 | valdyn | jstevens: what's in your ~/.xsession |
| 09:10.52 | valdyn | insmod: you're full of shit |
| 09:11.02 | insmod | valdyn: no |
| 09:11.04 | jstevens | valdyn: my .xsession is entirely empty. |
| 09:11.36 | valdyn | jstevens: it should at least contain something like 'exec /usr/bin/wmaker' in the last line |
| 09:11.45 | insmod | valdyn: that is the default of the distro's |
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| 09:12.05 | valdyn | jstevens: then you need to have selected the default x session in gdm |
| 09:12.19 | jstevens | valdyn: Yeah, you are right. |
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| 09:13.37 | insmod | idiots |
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| 09:14.14 | valdyn | insmod: if you could explain your point reasonably, someone might believe you, but as it looks you're full of shit |
| 09:15.15 | insmod | valdyn: whatever ...... ... lol |
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| 09:15.48 | insmod | if you can uderstand it you mean |
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| 09:17.00 | insmod | i don't care be idiots -- night |
| 09:18.11 | dutchfish | is the package linux-image-2.6.16-2-xen-em64t-p4 removed from the reposetory in ethc? what to us enow for em64t machines? |
| 09:18.29 | valdyn | dutchfish: a 2.6.17 kernel? |
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| 09:18.54 | dutchfish | valdyn, ok, where to find the em64t version? |
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| 09:19.26 | valdyn | dutchfish: apt-cache search xen em64 |
| 09:19.33 | dutchfish | valdyn, those packages are still stalled by the frozen kernel |
| 09:19.34 | valdyn | dutchfish: i dont know if it exists.. |
| 09:19.45 | dutchfish | valdyn, no, i searched already |
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| 09:20.10 | valdyn | dutchfish: wait for the new packages or use sid's or build your own |
| 09:21.03 | dutchfish | valdyn, let me redefine my question: does kernel 2.6.18 come in soon and the related xen 3.0.3 packages, why are they stalled because they are old enough? |
| 09:21.29 | valdyn | dutchfish: /msg dpkg why is <packagename> not in testing |
| 09:22.12 | valdyn | dutchfish: linux-image-2.6.18-1-xen-amd64 should work for you too |
| 09:23.10 | GooE | "he choice between NIS and NIS+ is easy - use NIS+ only if you have severe security needs. NIS+ is much more problematic to administer (it's pretty easy to handle on the client side, but the server side is horrible). Another problem is that the support for NIS+ under Linux contains a lot of bugs and that the development has stopped." is this still true ? |
| 09:23.20 | valdyn | dutchfish: are you talkin about a pure64 system or debian/i386 with a 64 bit kernel? |
| 09:23.39 | dutchfish | valdyn, 64 bit kernel and 32 bit userland |
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| 09:24.41 | dutchfish | valdyn, they updated aperently the xen-3.0 package yesterday so its only 1 day old, comes in in 4 days, i have to wait then |
| 09:24.47 | valdyn | dutchfish: suppose its possible that the emt64 specific packages were removed completely ( for being pointless ), no idea |
| 09:25.03 | dutchfish | valdyn, that my question |
| 09:25.51 | dutchfish | valdyn, i run several core D p 3.4 systems, what to choose now? |
| 09:25.57 | valdyn | dutchfish: sid/i386 has no 64-bit xen kernel at all |
| 09:26.11 | valdyn | dutchfish: a 32-bit kernel i guess |
| 09:26.18 | dutchfish | valdyn, its to ehe ahum unstable |
| 09:26.54 | dutchfish | valdyn, i have already several systems running with the dropped kernel too |
| 09:27.24 | valdyn | dutchfish: may check the bts / ask the maintainer |
| 09:27.38 | dutchfish | valdyn, i will do thx for the help |
| 09:27.40 | valdyn | dutchfish: i can only list existiog packages and check the usual websites |
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| 09:28.57 | whadar | i've edited /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" and i see the daemon is working but /var/log/boot is emp |
| 09:29.00 | dutchfish | valdyn, do you know if the new kernel 2.6.18 will make it in Etch before it goes RC1? |
| 09:29.00 | whadar | ty |
| 09:30.21 | whadar | damn enter key... the log is empty... is there anything else to be done to enable boot logging? |
| 09:30.49 | dutchfish | whadar, what does dmesg say? |
| 09:31.09 | cahoot | whadar: you did reboot? |
| 09:31.09 | whadar | dutchfish: really nothing special... no errors at all |
| 09:31.09 | valdyn | dutchfish: seems unlikely |
| 09:31.32 | GooE | how do i set a domainame for a nis master server |
| 09:31.36 | whadar | cahoot: yes it's on a different computer |
| 09:31.43 | dutchfish | valdyn, i am screwed then |
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| 09:32.18 | whadar | the boot log should contains only errors? maybe it is working but i have no errors |
| 09:32.36 | valdyn | whadar: no, bootlog is often broken, at least in sid |
| 09:32.48 | whadar | hmm... etch here |
| 09:33.16 | valdyn | whadar: hit the pause key while your system is booting up and read |
| 09:34.01 | valdyn | whadar: or put a sleep <seconds> into the init script of your choice |
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| 09:34.11 | dutchfish | valdyn, ok i will compile my own xen kernels then |
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| 09:34.39 | giupy | hi all |
| 09:35.01 | giupy | ot: is hp fx6 card supported ? |
| 09:35.11 | whadar | i think i need to sniff on S45mountnfs.sh... |
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| 09:35.41 | whadar | so i'll just put a sleep 10 at the beginning? |
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| 09:35.55 | valdyn | giupy: you can check that yourself, get the pciid of your hardware and |
| 09:35.57 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 09:35.57 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 09:36.03 | valdyn | giupy: use ^^^ |
| 09:36.18 | giupy | valdyn: thanks i try |
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| 09:37.10 | giupy | well...i don0t have that card installed now....and i know that i can use it but i don't know if i can use the 3d controller |
| 09:39.26 | dutchfish | valdyn, solved: vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-xen-em64t-p4 -> This package depends on the latest binary image for Linux kernel 2.6 on all 64bit single- and multiprocessor AMD and Intel machines. |
| 09:40.17 | valdyn | dutchfish: ah, neat, so i guess specific emt64 support was removed for good |
| 09:40.38 | valdyn | dutchfish: or the description is wrong ) |
| 09:40.56 | dutchfish | valdyn, it looks they just renamed it to linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64 |
| 09:40.57 | raz0 | Anyone know of a mirror to the ipw2200 firmware? ipw2200.sf.net seems to be down. |
| 09:41.19 | Assid | err.. i remotely changed over a redhat box to debian.. and now when i try to compile a vanilla kernel.. it just refuses to work.. can someone help me on this? |
| 09:41.20 | dutchfish | valdyn, or intergated into just 1 package |
| 09:41.59 | valdyn | dutchfish: they wouldnt integrate 2 kernels into 1 package. |
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| 09:42.18 | valdyn | dutchfish: i guess specific emt64 might not show a benefit at all |
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| 09:42.25 | dutchfish | valdyn, basically its the same kernel |
| 09:42.39 | dutchfish | valdyn, i gues so |
| 09:42.46 | valdyn | raz0: isnt down |
| 09:43.14 | valdyn | raz0: which firmware do you want? |
| 09:43.36 | dutchfish | valdyn, i just gone try it out on a test machine, lets see what it brings |
| 09:43.55 | raz0 | valdyn, Just the one that works with 2.6.19-rc4 :) |
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| 09:45.57 | raz0 | valdyn, Weird that it works on your end, and not mine though. |
| 09:46.09 | valdyn | raz0: its very slow |
| 09:49.07 | dutchfish | valdyn, oops, got /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: line 150: 3764 Segmentation fault depmod ${version} | while generating initrd.img |
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| 09:50.21 | dutchfish | valdyn, looks like they really messed up this time |
| 09:51.05 | valdyn | raz0: http://valdyn.mine.nu/ipw2200-fw-3.0.tgz |
| 09:51.17 | raz0 | valdyn, Thanks a lot. |
| 09:52.33 | jstevens | Mmm... I'm trying to prevent the Debian "swoosh" image from appearing on my root window when logging in. I have an .xsession file that does a few things (starts xscreensaver, runs xsetroot to set the root window to black) and it finally calls /usr/bin/wmaker. From GDM, I'm running the default session. Some other session script is still running as the root window goes from black to the 'swoosh' as I log in. Thoughts? |
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| 09:53.26 | jstevens | It doesn't help that I'm doing this at 2am. Sigh... |
| 09:54.30 | valdyn | jstevens: wmaker is doing it? |
| 09:55.15 | jstevens | Possibly, but I doubt it. wmaker runs an autostart script on login and that's empty at this point. |
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| 10:00.20 | valdyn | jstevens: there's nothing else that is run |
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| 10:01.27 | jstevens | valdyn: Yes, you are right. I think I'll just take a fresh look in the AM. Thanks! |
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| 10:05.16 | Administrator__ | root# grub |
| 10:05.16 | Administrator__ | grub> root (hd0,0) |
| 10:05.16 | Administrator__ | grub> setup (hd0) can this be done in one command line? |
| 10:05.54 | karsten_21 | do you think i care? |
| 10:06.02 | karsten_21 | kaeskopp |
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| 10:06.31 | EnterUserName | hi all im using debian etch on nslu2 |
| 10:06.44 | EnterUserName | what libphp4 package should i install to use php 4.3 with apache 2? |
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| 10:09.42 | Assid | hey there |
| 10:09.45 | Assid | can someone help me |
| 10:09.55 | Assid | i remotely changed rh->debian using chroot |
| 10:10.08 | Assid | now, when i compile a new kernel it refuses to work |
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| 10:10.18 | Administrator__ | can update-grub be invoke from within a chroot ? |
| 10:10.35 | EnterUserName | umm |
| 10:10.37 | Assid | i tried using the deb kernels, but that doesnt do it either |
| 10:10.55 | EnterUserName | hrm.. |
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| 10:13.44 | thyko | how do i remove an apt-get loclfile? |
| 10:13.44 | DevilChaos | hi folks having trouble with my xserver (EE) AIGLX: screen 0 is not dri compatable ? |
| 10:13.48 | thyko | any ideas? |
| 10:14.28 | Anarka | thyko ? |
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| 10:15.27 | thyko | it says 'another application is using the packaging system' |
| 10:15.52 | boodie | Hi all |
| 10:15.59 | Anarka | synaptic ? |
| 10:16.08 | thyko | but i just rebooted the box |
| 10:16.13 | thyko | yeah |
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| 10:17.05 | DevilChaos | anarka i have synaptic installed |
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| 10:17.49 | mik0la | hello |
| 10:17.52 | Anarka | thyko you can only use a package manager at a time apt, aptitude, dpkg or synaptic, etc |
| 10:18.04 | mik0la | I need help |
| 10:18.19 | Anarka | DevilChaos i dont use aiglx but... what gfx card do you have ? |
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| 10:18.53 | boodie | A question: the monitor says, whenever I launch X, that it's setting is not optimal, suggesting 1280X1024 @ 60 hz; how can I change the X settings (dpgkg-reconfigure, perhaps)? |
| 10:18.58 | DevilChaos | ati radeon pcie 200 |
| 10:20.05 | brick | boodie, X config is set in the xorg.conf |
| 10:20.32 | thyko | aah! got the fix! sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 10:20.57 | karsten_21 | cafuego, |
| 10:20.58 | karsten_21 | :s |
| 10:21.19 | Anarka | DevilChaos with ati drivers ? |
| 10:21.20 | boodie | brick: Is it advisable to tamper that file manually? |
| 10:21.56 | brick | boodie, yes. |
| 10:22.07 | karsten_21 | boobies |
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| 10:25.05 | boodie | another question : do anybody play with tremulous? |
| 10:25.11 | wols_ | !tell boodie about xorgmd5 |
| 10:25.20 | wols_ | !anyone use tremulous |
| 10:25.20 | dpkg | No, no one uses tremulous, not even the people who use it. |
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| 10:27.32 | boodie | Hmm - I installed the package, but it freezes the computer; I launch tremulous-server, and it stops at some point. If I launch tremulous it freezes everything (and I have to reset) |
| 10:27.41 | asdf_ | hi, how can i 'blacklist' some packages so when i do 'apt-get upgrade' they will be never upgraded ? |
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| 10:28.01 | Anarka | asdf_ aptitude hold package1 package2 |
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| 10:29.12 | asdf_ | Anarka do i need to hold all dependencies of that package ? or they will be holded automatically ? |
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| 10:29.33 | Anarka | it should work automatically but... check |
| 10:29.43 | asdf_ | Anarka ok, thnx very much |
| 10:29.49 | asdf_ | bye |
| 10:30.28 | ThomasPorter | Hi, I just installed Debian |
| 10:30.34 | ThomasPorter | Using a netcd |
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| 10:31.52 | hburchey | When I use emacs in X, pressing the delete key deletes the charater to the left of the cursor (same as backspace). How can I fix this? |
| 10:31.58 | asdf_ | Anarka sorry but it doesn't work ;) |
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| 10:32.12 | Anarka | it tries to upgrade ? |
| 10:32.16 | asdf_ | Anarka apt-get upgarde still wants to upgrade that packages |
| 10:32.28 | Anarka | asdf_ aptitude upgrade also tries ? |
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| 10:32.45 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 10:32.45 | dpkg | i guess apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
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| 10:33.26 | asdf_ | Anarka yes, aptitude upgrade works. is it also possible to hold then in apt-get ? |
| 10:33.31 | asdf_ | them |
| 10:33.37 | Anarka | just use aptitude |
| 10:33.41 | Anarka | you'lll like it |
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| 10:35.36 | asdf_ | is it working in the same way as apt-get ? |
| 10:35.41 | wols_ | pretty much |
| 10:35.51 | wols_ | but has a ncurses "GUI" too. just run "aptitude" |
| 10:36.04 | whadar | i might found the problem causing the /home NFS mount failure... when running rpcinfo -p i get "rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused" |
| 10:36.14 | ThomasPorter | Hey, I installed debian, using a net cd.. but oddly SSH wasn't auto-installed?? |
| 10:36.20 | ThomasPorter | How would I make it auto install? |
| 10:36.21 | asdf_ | ok then. thnx again, bye |
| 10:36.37 | wols_ | apt-get install ssh |
| 10:36.51 | whadar | shouldnt portmap run on startup? |
| 10:36.53 | ThomasPorter | wols_: Is there an easier way :P |
| 10:37.01 | Anarka | easier ? ;) |
| 10:37.06 | ThomasPorter | wols_: it came up with afew questions I didn't know how to awnser ;) |
| 10:37.08 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: no |
| 10:37.18 | Anarka | look at the PC and think very hard about installing ssh |
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| 10:40.04 | dutchfish | whadar, as far as i know portmap is only used by nfs-common and lpr if you dont use them its save to drop portmap |
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| 10:42.44 | DevilChaos | anyone have any ideas about dri not compatible in xserver ee log goodle didnt turn up much |
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| 10:43.10 | Assid | can someone help me please, i got a very very weird problem |
| 10:43.19 | DevilChaos | lol google |
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| 10:43.36 | Assid | unable to mount root fs on unknown block(3,5) |
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| 10:43.50 | Assid | it just cant seem to mount the root file system |
| 10:43.51 | brick | DevilChaos, google the exact error you are seeing |
| 10:43.51 | whadar | dutchfish: i don't seem to have it installed! and i want to use nfs-common |
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| 10:44.10 | dutchfish | whadar, tried apt-get install portmap? |
| 10:44.23 | whadar | yes! 404 error |
| 10:44.26 | whadar | :) |
| 10:44.29 | brick | Assid, some fs problem... you might want to run fsck on it |
| 10:44.42 | DevilChaos | brick: i have and it didnt come up with much in the way of an answer of how to fix it |
| 10:44.43 | Assid | brick: if i boot into redhat kernel it works fine |
| 10:44.49 | whadar | no longer supported on etch or something? |
| 10:44.56 | dutchfish | whadar, prolly because tar was broken. Did you sequence through apt-get update, apt-get upgrade? |
| 10:45.05 | Assid | this box used to be a redhat box, i changed it over to to debian using the chroot method |
| 10:45.27 | ThomasPorter | "error: 100 there was an error in apt-get upgrade" also 'unable to lock download directory'.. how would if fix this? |
| 10:45.53 | whadar | dutchfish: no |
| 10:46.00 | dutchfish | ThomasPorter, i changed to anotehr source (german seams up2date atm) |
| 10:46.05 | DevilChaos | bbl |
| 10:46.06 | whadar | im using debian-live net boot |
| 10:46.08 | Skiver | DevilChaos: can i see the message ? |
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| 10:46.21 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 10:46.25 | DevilChaos | hold on |
| 10:46.31 | dutchfish | whadar, plz do |
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| 10:46.36 | ThomasPorter | dutchfish, how would I change it? I'm in australia btw. |
| 10:46.43 | Assid | brick: any clue? |
| 10:47.01 | dutchfish | ThomasPorter, change your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:47.25 | dutchfish | ThomasPorter, or just wait till your source is up 2 date |
| 10:47.29 | DevilChaos | Skyver: (EE) AIGLX: screen 0 is not dri compatible |
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| 10:48.08 | Skiver | DevilChaos, nvidia ? |
| 10:48.10 | DevilChaos | it is a ati radeon pcie 200m gfx card |
| 10:48.41 | DevilChaos | laptop i586 with synaptics |
| 10:48.48 | DevilChaos | fglrx driver |
| 10:48.56 | ThomasPorter | dutchfish, how do I wait for it to update? |
| 10:48.57 | DevilChaos | ati drivers and vesa |
| 10:49.09 | dutchfish | ThomasPorter, i had simlair problem and changed my sources to http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/ftp/pub/Linux/debian/ |
| 10:49.35 | Assid | is there a way to remove features from a parttiion ? |
| 10:49.38 | ThomasPorter | dutchfish, so just change everything in sources.list to that address? |
| 10:49.43 | dutchfish | ThomasPorter, just wait and try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade later |
| 10:50.02 | dutchfish | ThomasPorter, yes, or other up2date source for debian |
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| 10:50.18 | ThomasPorter | So type: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade later |
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| 10:50.28 | dutchfish | ThomasPorter, yup |
| 10:50.38 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: you need to be root to run apt-get update |
| 10:50.54 | whadar | dutchfish: thanks... i was now able to install portmap... btw - many bzip corruptions occurred during apt-get update |
| 10:51.10 | DevilChaos | brb |
| 10:51.22 | dutchfish | whadar, i know they messed it up alot with the upcoming RC1 i gues |
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| 10:52.14 | whadar | maybe you can clarify me certain things: |
| 10:52.29 | dutchfish | whadar, if i can. i try |
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| 10:52.38 | whadar | how come i had an nfs mount without having portmap installed? |
| 10:52.54 | jvm | hi. gdm, entrance, gnome-screensaver think always my password is invalid, but in console it works. happened after a "apt-get dist-upgrade" when unstable, testing and experimental sources were activated (by mistake). |
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| 10:53.09 | dutchfish | whadar, maybe you or your system made it and removed portmap afterwards? |
| 10:53.28 | Braindead | jvm: welcome to sid. |
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| 10:53.41 | dutchfish | Braindead, etch also |
| 10:53.42 | whadar | hmm... not sure bout it... im using debian-live system so i will have to ask them |
| 10:53.51 | Braindead | dutchfish: nope,after a dist-upgrade it's sid. |
| 10:54.13 | jvm | Braindead: and now? |
| 10:54.21 | Braindead | !tell jvm about bts |
| 10:54.21 | dutchfish | Braindead, no only if you point to a sid target, otherwise a big NO |
| 10:54.27 | Braindead | !tell jvm about apt-listbugs |
| 10:54.52 | ThomasPorter | duchfish, no that didn't work.. change my sources?? |
| 10:54.54 | whadar | i get "lockd: failed to monitor 192.168.0.10" |
| 10:54.55 | Braindead | dutchfish: if he's got a testing unstable and experimental in his sources,then he's on sid after a dist-upgrade |
| 10:55.08 | dutchfish | Braindead, yes |
| 10:55.25 | Braindead | so that's what's happened. he's in sid right now |
| 10:55.33 | Assid | can someone please help |
| 10:55.49 | Assid | debian on redhat fs doesnt work |
| 10:55.54 | dutchfish | Braindead, as far as i know i only advised upgrade not dis-upgrade |
| 10:56.08 | Braindead | as far as I know he dist-upgraded |
| 10:56.28 | dutchfish | Braindead, he can look up in sources.list |
| 10:56.35 | whadar | lockd = rpcinfo's nlockmgr |
| 10:56.39 | jvm | Braindead: i don't understand what package is responsible for the problem - gdm was updated, but i reinstalled after removing the "bad" sources. |
| 10:57.04 | Braindead | http://bugs.debian.org/383889 maybe |
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| 10:57.33 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:57.33 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:57.35 | Braindead | hint: http://bugs.debian.org/packagename ,in this case gnome-scrensaver |
| 10:58.12 | dutchfish | Assid, specify "debian on redhat fs" |
| 10:58.13 | jvm | but it says nothing about gdm |
| 10:58.16 | jvm | and other login managers |
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| 10:58.33 | Braindead | jvm: 11:52 < jvm> hi. gdm, entrance, gnome-screensaver think always my password is invalid, but in console it works. |
| 10:58.35 | Assid | dutchfish: i loaded debian on a redhat system using chroot |
| 10:58.47 | dutchfish | Assid, what fs? |
| 10:58.49 | Anarka | Assid dpkg -l libc6 |
| 10:58.49 | yang | I am getting this error in proftpd...I also used directive "Bind IP" in the config |
| 10:58.52 | yang | Nov 5 10:58:03 web2 proftpd[560]: web2.prunk.be - Failed binding to 0.0.0.0, port 21: Address already in use |
| 10:58.52 | yang | Nov 5 10:58:03 web2 proftpd[560]: web2.prunk.be - Check the ServerType directive to ensure you are configured correctly. |
| 10:58.56 | Braindead | jvm: did you even look at http://bugs.debian.org/383889 or http://bugs.debian.org/gnome-screensaver ? |
| 10:58.59 | Anarka | ooops |
| 10:59.02 | ThomasPorter | How do I start SSH server?? |
| 10:59.03 | jvm | yeah |
| 10:59.03 | Anarka | jvm dpkg -l libc6 |
| 10:59.11 | Assid | from what ive gathered so far, redhat loads a whole lot of extra stuff on ext3 |
| 10:59.41 | dutchfish | ThomasPorter, /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 10:59.46 | jvm | Anarka: 2.3.6.ds1-7 |
| 11:00.00 | yang | ThomasPorter: not sshd but ssh start |
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| 11:00.18 | Anarka | jvm sid yeah :) |
| 11:00.59 | dutchfish | yang, you are right, sorry my mistake |
| 11:01.06 | Assid | dutchfish: will appreciate any help i can get.. i really cant manage to sort this out.. and a few of my friends have given up already |
| 11:01.12 | jvm | Braindead: but it can't be gnome-screensaver-specific, because then it would work with gdm! |
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| 11:01.36 | dutchfish | Assid, what fs you use on thi sbox, ext3, reiserfs , what? |
| 11:01.41 | Assid | ext3 |
| 11:01.48 | ThomasPorter | Thanks |
| 11:01.53 | dutchfish | Assid, and what kernel? |
| 11:01.55 | Braindead | jvm: aaaah it was gdm AND gnome-screensaver. |
| 11:02.02 | jvm | Braindead: AND entrance |
| 11:02.03 | ThomasPorter | Where do I change my eth card settings.. dns.. ip.. etc...? |
| 11:02.20 | jvm | Braindead: sorry, maybe it was unclear. (not a native english speaker) |
| 11:02.35 | petemc | ThomasPorter: dns is /etc/resolv.conf , the rest is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:02.41 | utrrrongeeb | When I create a file in my home directory, its permissions are -rw-r--r--. Is this normal? |
| 11:02.47 | ThomasPorter | petemc, yep thanks |
| 11:02.49 | Assid | trying to install vanilla 2.6.18.1 |
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| 11:02.57 | jvm | Braindead: i looked at the pam configuration, but i'm not a pam expert... |
| 11:02.57 | Assid | i even tried 2.6.8 (deb) |
| 11:03.07 | dutchfish | Assid, i meant your curent kernel |
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| 11:03.12 | mouse_ | hi |
| 11:03.19 | mouse_ | i got a problem |
| 11:03.26 | Assid | 2.6.9-42.EL (rhel) kernel |
| 11:03.30 | Assid | thats the only one working |
| 11:03.33 | mouse_ | i installed x-window-system x-window-system-core xserver-xorg |
| 11:03.42 | mouse_ | but there isn't any xorgconfig application |
| 11:03.46 | mouse_ | how can i do? |
| 11:03.56 | Braindead | stop thinking you're using slackware |
| 11:03.58 | petemc | !drxx mouse_ |
| 11:03.58 | dpkg | mouse_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:04.11 | dutchfish | Assid, if i am right you should try 2.6.17 kernel that will be the closest match as far as i know for ext3 support |
| 11:04.16 | jvm | Braindead: do u've any idea what package or configuration file could be the problem, so i could downgrade that specific package? |
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| 11:04.37 | dutchfish | Assid, with the debian patches of coarse |
| 11:04.39 | jvm | Braindead: pam wasn't updated |
| 11:04.41 | Assid | dutchfish: im trying with 2.6.18.1 (latest) |
| 11:04.50 | dutchfish | Assid, that wont work |
| 11:05.33 | Braindead | jvm: did you do a full dist-upgrade or not? |
| 11:05.41 | jvm | Braindead: yes, i did it |
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| 11:05.52 | Assid | dutchfish: they didnt work |
| 11:06.04 | Braindead | jvm: so libpam should be 0.79-4 |
| 11:06.09 | dutchfish | Assid, only sid has it in repos with looooots of bugs |
| 11:06.11 | Assid | as in the vanilla one.. nor the 2.6.8 debian one |
| 11:06.13 | blondie | hello glue eaters |
| 11:06.16 | jvm | Braindead: yes. |
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| 11:06.27 | jvm | Braindead: (maybe i updated it though? ups) |
| 11:06.32 | mother_ | Hi debians |
| 11:06.37 | Assid | should i try etch? |
| 11:06.38 | petemc | Assid: theres always a chance its not an ext3 problem, but some issue in how you've configured after you installed within the chroot |
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| 11:07.02 | mother_ | I switched from Ubuntu to debian. I have just a sargecd how can i update to etch? |
| 11:07.10 | dutchfish | Assid, yup along with 2.6.17 kernel, then you will be on the save side as far thats possible in testing |
| 11:07.12 | Assid | petemc: i simply chrooted, and copied the files. i didnt mk2fs or anything |
| 11:07.27 | petemc | Assid: you think thats sufficient? |
| 11:07.31 | Braindead | jvm: I'm looking at http://bugs.debian.org/gdm ... no open bugs reflecting your current situation |
| 11:07.42 | Assid | petemc: thats how i did the rest of my boxes till date |
| 11:08.02 | Assid | and they all run vanilla kernel now |
| 11:08.08 | Braindead | mother_: change your /etc/apt/sources.list,change every occurance of stable or sarge to etch,do a dist-upgrade |
| 11:08.09 | jvm | Braindead: i looked at the libpam-bugs-page but libpam has no maintainer it says? |
| 11:08.23 | mother_ | Braindead, thx to you |
| 11:08.33 | petemc | Assid: you dont have to install a kernel image within the chroot? |
| 11:08.42 | Assid | nope |
| 11:08.49 | Braindead | jvm: what makes you think it's strictly pam related? |
| 11:09.10 | Assid | petemc, dutchfish: so you guys think i should move to etch? |
| 11:09.12 | jvm | Braindead: i don't know where the problem is, but it has to be something that all login managers and gnome-screensaver use |
| 11:09.19 | jvm | Braindead: or not? |
| 11:09.20 | Assid | this is a server as in used for production use |
| 11:09.25 | petemc | Assid: if you say it worked before, whats changed? |
| 11:09.39 | Assid | later version of RHEL on the host box ? |
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| 11:09.58 | Assid | too much of a gap between rh and debian ? |
| 11:10.08 | petemc | when did you last do this? |
| 11:10.21 | Assid | maybe 8 months odd back ? |
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| 11:10.35 | petemc | and why the question marks, surely you know what versions you used |
| 11:11.10 | Assid | cant remmeber that far back.. |
| 11:11.31 | Assid | is etch stable enough to work on? as a production box? |
| 11:11.51 | dutchfish | Assid, well... testing is ... testing |
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| 11:12.20 | Assid | but isnt debian testing a bit more "stable" than rh stable? |
| 11:12.32 | dutchfish | Assid, most of the time yes |
| 11:12.40 | Assid | alrite |
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| 11:12.42 | Assid | good enough for me |
| 11:12.46 | Assid | dist-upgrade? |
| 11:12.50 | jvm | Braindead: can i downgrade every package that has to do with pam? |
| 11:13.54 | CharminTheMoose | what is tmpfs? |
| 11:13.56 | Braindead | !downgrade |
| 11:13.56 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 11:13.59 | dutchfish | Assid, the best advise, if you can wait, to do this when etch goes RC1 |
| 11:14.21 | dutchfish | Assid, that would be very soon |
| 11:14.32 | Assid | i have a box that isnt online.. |
| 11:14.43 | Assid | so .. i need to find a way to at the very least be able to be used |
| 11:15.03 | Assid | anwyays.. already being installed |
| 11:15.05 | jvm | Braindead: but theoretically, i could force removing all libpam-packages and install them afterwards with only stable sources activated, or not? |
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| 11:15.39 | Assid | wish me luck |
| 11:15.54 | Braindead | jvm: you don't wanna remove everything pam-related. believe me |
| 11:16.03 | dutchfish | Assid, or better studie on darks ;) |
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| 11:16.27 | jvm | Braindead: ok. any advice what i could do to get things working again? |
| 11:16.30 | Assid | although i am getting these errors: perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 11:16.50 | jvm | Braindead: reactivate experimental sources and wait until they've a newer version which works? |
| 11:17.16 | Braindead | jvm: you really should nail down the problem. I don't personally use gdm so I cannot reproduce the bug and open an appropriate bug on the BTS |
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| 11:17.44 | jvm | Braindead: but i can't write a bug report if i even don't know which package causes the problem? |
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| 11:18.00 | mother_ | is 4gb for debian just for looking okay, or should i give more gb |
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| 11:18.04 | Assid | where do i set my locales? |
| 11:18.04 | Braindead | jvm: mmm which version of gnome-screensaver? |
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| 11:18.13 | caBeHoK | tut kakaya kodirovka?) |
| 11:18.21 | caBeHoK | hi there) |
| 11:18.25 | jvm | Braindead: 2.14.3-2 |
| 11:18.27 | mouse_ | is there a way to make xorg be autoconfigured? |
| 11:18.29 | Braindead | jvm: 2.14.3-2 on unstable,ok |
| 11:18.38 | Anarka | mother_ a bit more wouldnt hurt but 4 gb is not that bad |
| 11:18.48 | Braindead | mouse_: what's the real problem. don't tell us where your solution breaks |
| 11:19.12 | Assid | dpkg-reconfigure locale ? |
| 11:19.23 | Braindead | jvm: anyway why did you start messing around with unstable and experimental anyway ? |
| 11:19.36 | caBeHoK | ohhh.. only english? |
| 11:19.45 | jvm | Braindead: because i wanted to install only one package. but i forgot to remove the sources afterwards... |
| 11:20.11 | whadar | is there away to query (grep) the history of commands invoked? i want to find a command that i used... |
| 11:20.12 | Braindead | pinning! |
| 11:20.25 | petemc | whadar: ctl r |
| 11:20.27 | trousers | less ~/.bashrc | grep asd |
| 11:20.28 | Braindead | whadar: history,or ctrl r |
| 11:20.30 | mouse_ | the problem is that X doesn't work :P |
| 11:20.39 | Braindead | !doesn't work |
| 11:20.39 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 11:20.47 | mouse_ | and i don't know how to configure it as better as i can |
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| 11:21.12 | jvm | Braindead: so, should i give up, and reinstall the system....? at least locking the screen is important for me |
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| 11:21.37 | trousers | Wait, it's not .bashrc, it's a hsitory file somewhere |
| 11:21.51 | Braindead | jvm: how can you lock the screen if you cannot login? once again is it a gdm OR gnome-screensaver problem? |
| 11:21.58 | Braindead | trousers: .bash_history |
| 11:22.00 | whadar | ctrl r - awesome!! so useful |
| 11:22.03 | jvm | Braindead: no. i logged in via console |
| 11:22.06 | blondie | trousers: and piping less to grep is silly |
| 11:22.44 | Braindead | whadar: or just press up on the keyboard. or !foo to repeat a line that started like foo |
| 11:22.48 | jvm | Braindead: so, theoretically i can use the system if i login on the console and start X manually |
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| 11:23.36 | whadar | Braindead: yes this is what i used to do, but sometimes i just hit the up arrow over 100 times ;) |
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| 11:24.42 | dutchfish | whadar, how to crtl r cangive 2nd line up? |
| 11:25.30 | Assid | didnt work :( |
| 11:25.36 | Assid | i cant believe it |
| 11:26.13 | Assid | what do i have to do to get this working |
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| 11:26.40 | CharminTheMoose | Question:Why does my system say that i have openoffice.org and yet synaptic says that it's not installed? |
| 11:27.05 | petemc | Assid: despite your fuzzy memories of previous experiences, i beleive the process to be slightly more involved, google for a guide |
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| 11:27.06 | dutchfish | CharminTheMoose, what does dpkg -l | grep foo tells you? |
| 11:27.59 | whadar | dutchfish: don't know... but as said less ~/.bashrc | grep X should do it |
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| 11:28.04 | Xteven | gug, are there any linuxtools to remove a password from a rar archive ? |
| 11:28.29 | CharminTheMoose | sorry |
| 11:28.38 | dutchfish | whadar, thx |
| 11:28.55 | CharminTheMoose | i meant I have got openoffice.org-calc and -draw on my system but dpkg -l | grep openoffice doesn't say that |
| 11:28.57 | Assid | i think it has somethin to ddo with the ext3 filesystem supports |
| 11:29.12 | petemc | Assid: you've said that, and it sounds like a guess |
| 11:29.49 | jelly-home | Hi, is there a way to change smarthost in exim4 depending on what interface is up (and/or which ppp provider I'm using)? |
| 11:29.55 | dutchfish | Assid, there are some issues with it in the 2.6.18 kernel i saw |
| 11:30.05 | CharminTheMoose | dutchfish:any ideas? |
| 11:31.01 | dutchfish | CharminTheMoose, did you have more then 1 version installed by accident? try dpkg -l | grep office |
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| 11:31.48 | CharminTheMoose | ii openoffice.org 1.1.3-9sarge3 high-quality office productivity suite ii openoffice.org 1.1.3-9sarge3 OpenOffice.org office suite binary files ii openoffice.org 1.1.3-8+1 Debian specific parts of OpenOffice.org ii openoffice.org 1.1.3-9sarge3 English (US) language package for OpenOffice |
| 11:31.54 | whadar | what is the "status" daemon appearing on rpcinfo -p? is it stat.d? |
| 11:31.58 | petemc | jelly-home: you could add a condition to check the interface address to a router |
| 11:32.00 | CharminTheMoose | is what i get |
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| 11:32.58 | Assid | well, cant seem to be anything else, i mean it just doesnt wanna load it |
| 11:33.16 | dutchfish | Assid, what exact errors you get? |
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| 11:34.14 | dutchfish | CharminTheMoose, i would uninstall all and reinstall openoffice and deps |
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| 11:34.45 | Assid | kernel panic- not mounting vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown block 3,5 |
| 11:34.57 | jelly-home | petemc: I had a custom ip-up.d script that symlinked the correct exim3 config, but I'm not sure what to change in exim4. Was hoping there was an approved way to do it. |
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| 11:35.11 | Assid | before that i even get a line saying it tried to mount with ext2 ext3 and reiserfs |
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| 11:35.44 | PapyFeel | hi |
| 11:35.56 | petemc | jelly-home: its not exactly a common configuration |
| 11:35.59 | dutchfish | Assid, looks like something is broken in your host kernel, not your chrooted envirenment |
| 11:36.08 | PapyFeel | I've got network connexion problem with debian unstable |
| 11:36.11 | PapyFeel | is there someone here that got some skill in network connexion debugging ? |
| 11:36.23 | Assid | well, i am not using chrooted environment anymore |
| 11:36.32 | petemc | jelly-home: something like.. condition = ${if eq {$interface_address}{someip}{1}} on a router should work, i think |
| 11:36.32 | mother_ | ^^ oh, i have lost connection?! |
| 11:36.41 | Assid | i just chrooted to copy the files across to the main file structure |
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| 11:36.48 | dutchfish | Assid, maybe access restrictions? |
| 11:36.51 | karsten_21 | hi |
| 11:36.59 | karsten_21 | is there a way to do root things over normal user? |
| 11:37.03 | mother_ | hi karsten_21 |
| 11:37.05 | CharminTheMoose | dutchfish:I uninstnalled open office and when i go to reinstall it,the same packages are gonna get installed |
| 11:37.05 | karsten_21 | oder poff and pon? |
| 11:37.07 | karsten_21 | oh |
| 11:37.09 | karsten_21 | nevermind |
| 11:37.12 | jelly-home | petemc: Yeah... well I figured since dhcp can give me my dns server, ntp server, why not smtp server? |
| 11:37.15 | karsten_21 | i just have to pon as normal user |
| 11:37.18 | mother_ | karsten_21: sudo |
| 11:37.19 | karsten_21 | and than i can use poff as normal user? |
| 11:37.21 | karsten_21 | or? |
| 11:37.24 | PapyFeel | Kage`: sudo |
| 11:37.27 | PapyFeel | oups |
| 11:37.29 | karsten_21 | sudo? |
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| 11:37.33 | PapyFeel | karsten_21: sudo |
| 11:37.34 | karsten_21 | i want to do it with a script |
| 11:37.43 | dutchfish | CharminTheMoose, if you have unistalled it, what does dpkg -l | grep office tells you? |
| 11:37.46 | karsten_21 | not with a dynamic shell |
| 11:37.48 | karsten_21 | just static |
| 11:37.51 | karsten_21 | as normal user |
| 11:38.02 | Assid | dutchfish: the other (redhat kernel) works fine |
| 11:38.06 | CharminTheMoose | i got nothing |
| 11:38.35 | PapyFeel | karsten_21: suid root your script, but it's a big security risc |
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| 11:38.46 | dutchfish | Assid, and you did all the stuff as supposed too have a working chrooted envirenment? |
| 11:39.10 | Assid | i just sash rooted not chrooted |
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| 11:39.28 | arghflo | how can i add a user to a group? |
| 11:39.28 | Assid | to be able to copy /move debian file structure in and redhat out |
| 11:39.29 | dutchfish | Assid, as a non-root user? |
| 11:39.32 | arghflo | with the shell? :) |
| 11:39.34 | Assid | as a root user |
| 11:39.38 | arghflo | how? |
| 11:39.51 | petemc | arghflo: adduser username groupname |
| 11:39.51 | mother_ | karsten_21 http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/sudo |
| 11:39.52 | PapyFeel | I've got network connexion problem with debian unstable |
| 11:39.56 | PapyFeel | is there someone here that got some skill in network connexion debugging ? |
| 11:39.59 | arghflo | thx petemc |
| 11:40.01 | arghflo | love you |
| 11:40.02 | arghflo | !! |
| 11:40.03 | arghflo | :-* |
| 11:40.16 | jelly-home | petemc: uhh... I'm not that versed in exim configuration, I figured I'll just change dc_smarthost= in update-exim4.conf.conf and reconfigure, I just kind of hoped there already was some infrastructure for dynamic smtp. |
| 11:40.42 | petemc | jelly-home: im not overly familiar with debians config, i use my own |
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| 11:41.45 | ion_bidon | hello; how can I found the device id of my sound card ? |
| 11:41.55 | petemc | lspci |
| 11:42.06 | PapyFeel | ion_bidon: lspci ? |
| 11:42.18 | cahoot | for what use? |
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| 11:42.23 | ion_bidon | PapyFeel: that's what I'm thinking but I don't know where to look at the device id |
| 11:42.45 | ion_bidon | cahoot: to search or debug the driver for that card |
| 11:42.55 | PapyFeel | look at the first column |
| 11:43.26 | PapyFeel | so, I've got a problem too |
| 11:43.30 | ion_bidon | PapyFeel: I have something like this : 00:06.0 I thought that the device id is more like 0x2668 |
| 11:43.40 | jelly-home | !which driver for 0400 |
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| 11:43.48 | PapyFeel | i'm loosing radomly connexions from one of my dedicated server |
| 11:43.52 | cahoot | ion_bidon: look in pci-ids? |
| 11:43.58 | PapyFeel | network card have been changed |
| 11:43.58 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 11:44.04 | PapyFeel | memory and kernel too |
| 11:44.09 | PapyFeel | any ideas ? |
| 11:44.13 | dutchfish | Assid, maybe this helps?: http://debianplanet.org/node.php?id=697 |
| 11:44.18 | ion_bidon | cahoot: how can I look in pci-ids ? |
| 11:44.28 | jelly-home | ion_bidon: lspci -n will show you numeric vendor and device ids |
| 11:44.36 | ion_bidon | jelly-home: thanks |
| 11:44.41 | PapyFeel | ion_bidon: you are speaking about adress of your card !? |
| 11:45.02 | ion_bidon | PapyFeel: no, the device id; it's the hexadecimal number that represents the card |
| 11:45.10 | ion_bidon | jelly-home: it works thanks |
| 11:45.27 | PapyFeel | ion_bidon: look at dmesg just after booting perhaps ? |
| 11:45.32 | jelly-home | !hcl |
| 11:45.32 | dpkg | hcl is, like, at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 11:45.45 | ion_bidon | PapyFeel: thanks for the help, lspci -n does it perfectly |
| 11:45.46 | jelly-home | ion_bidon: also see the last url on the !hcl above ^^^ |
| 11:45.48 | Assid | dutchfish: if i create a partition wont my data go ? |
| 11:45.54 | PapyFeel | ok |
| 11:46.08 | dutchfish | Assid, dont |
| 11:46.12 | ion_bidon | jelly-home: cool link thanks |
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| 11:46.24 | dutchfish | Assid, unless you have unused space |
| 11:46.57 | dutchfish | Assid, personally on my boxes i use lvm2 |
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| 11:47.20 | itchi | Hi everyone. I have an UPS that i have setup with nut, now i need that he automatically shutdown when the battery is low. Following the nut doc http://www.networkupstools.org/doc/2.0.1/shutdown.html In the section 'How you set it up', point 2. Edit your shutdown scripts to check for the POWERFLAG ... About which script talk these? |
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| 11:49.08 | dutchfish | Assid, you might consider using xen? |
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| 11:50.17 | Assid | xen ? |
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| 11:50.33 | jelly-home | hmm... I have a PC server without remote server or serial console, is there a thing like console-over-network? :-) |
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| 11:50.57 | itchi | I can not imagine that i need to modify somethings like /sbin/shutdown. And that's a bin |
| 11:51.02 | jelly-home | s/remote server/lights-out management/ |
| 11:51.15 | dutchfish | Assid, http://www.xensource.com |
| 11:51.21 | bugzilla-n00b | Hello, Help me, please, to understand bugzilla: If I go to bugs.d.o/tar I get page which says on the top "tar ... (version 1.16-1)" but then under the various sections(for example outstanding bugs) I see only entries for 1.13.25 and others. Where are the bugs for 1.16 ? Where can I see if these bugs listed on bugs.d.o/tar are already closed or not? AND: How can I list the still open bugs for a package in stable? (Unfortunately the docs g |
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| 11:51.56 | DevilChaos | ok on my i586 laptop i have acpi=off for a kernel flag would that contribute to dri not compatible through xserver? |
| 11:52.07 | Assid | virtualization ? |
| 11:52.14 | dutchfish | Assid, yes |
| 11:52.28 | Assid | nah.. i want debian as a host environment |
| 11:52.59 | Assid | alrute im gonna retry this |
| 11:53.02 | dutchfish | Assid, then why are you using RH? |
| 11:53.06 | Assid | how do i create /resize partitions |
| 11:53.15 | DevilChaos | mkfs |
| 11:53.20 | Assid | dutchfish: its a dedicated server from ev1, they only support rh |
| 11:53.30 | dutchfish | Assid, i see |
| 11:53.34 | buu | Assid: debtakeover |
| 11:53.37 | buu | You know you want to. |
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| 11:54.11 | Assid | debtakeover ? |
| 11:54.11 | dutchfish | buu, debtakeover? |
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| 11:54.19 | buu | dpkg: debtakeover |
| 11:54.19 | dpkg | i guess debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 11:54.21 | Coke | Hey wey! Does Debian have a calendar program that can handle multiple icalendar sources and that does ONLY calendar things (not email or anything else). Preferrably with a light UI, text would be best. |
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| 11:54.41 | bugzilla-n00b | Is here no one who can explain bugzilla to me? |
| 11:55.00 | buu | Negative. |
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| 11:55.26 | mahognyy | Hi, I haven't found how to search for a file in a certain directory? |
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| 11:55.34 | Assid | buu: it has a broken debian system on it now |
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| 11:55.59 | dutchfish | mahognyy, man locate |
| 11:56.00 | bugzilla-n00b | Hello, Help me, please, to understand bugzilla: If I go to bugs.d.o/tar I get page which says on the top "tar ... (version 1.16-1)" but then under the various sections(for example outstanding bugs) I see only entries for 1.13.25 and others. Where are the bugs for 1.16 ? Where can I see if these bugs listed on bugs.d.o/tar are already closed or not? AND: How can I list the still open bugs for a package in stable? (Unfortunately the docs g |
| 11:56.07 | mahognyy | thanks |
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| 11:56.29 | Ebenn27 | hey all.. Is there a way of getting all the packages installed in my debian box to a textfile? So if i have a systemcrash or something i can use that file from my backup to install all the packages i need? |
| 11:57.09 | bugzilla-n00b | Ebenn27: Yes, dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print$2}' |
| 11:57.18 | dutchfish | Ebenn27, what about dpkg -l > list.txt |
| 11:57.24 | buu | Assid: Excellent. |
| 11:57.32 | Ebenn27 | nice bugzilla! |
| 11:57.35 | Ebenn27 | TY |
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| 11:57.50 | bugzilla-n00b | Ebenn27: Maybe, you should give a COLUMNS=120 before the small script above |
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| 11:58.16 | bugzilla-n00b | Hello, Help me, please, to understand bugzilla: If I go to bugs.d.o/tar I get page which says on the top "tar ... (version 1.16-1)" but then under the various sections(for example outstanding bugs) I see only entries for 1.13.25 and others. Where are the bugs for 1.16 ? Where can I see if these bugs listed on bugs.d.o/tar are already closed or not? AND: How can I list the still open bugs for a package in stable? (Unfortunately the docs g |
| 11:59.15 | Assid | buu: my only problem .. i cant seem to get new kernels running on it |
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| 12:00.14 | itchi | !tell bugzilla-n00b -about rules |
| 12:01.23 | Assid | it doesnt wanna boot it |
| 12:01.41 | Ebenn27 | Why do i need to do that man |
| 12:01.53 | bugzilla-n00b | itchi: The rules you gave me just state that I should read the documentation. I have done reading the docsa but as I said(or wrote) the docs are not answering my question. |
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| 12:02.13 | xjkx | wget mms:// says its not supported, i want to download an online video |
| 12:02.18 | Ebenn27 | what does COLUMNS=120 do? |
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| 12:02.38 | arghflo | it sets COLUMNS to 120 |
| 12:02.47 | itchi | bugzilla-n00b: Point 2! |
| 12:02.49 | bugzilla-n00b | Ebenn27: It "widens" the output of your console to 120 chars a line |
| 12:02.51 | Phil2 | hi there, quick question... |
| 12:02.58 | Ebenn27 | oh right |
| 12:03.01 | itchi | bugzilla-n00b: You repeat every 2 mins |
| 12:03.04 | Phil2 | can I safely do a rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
| 12:03.04 | Phil2 | ? |
| 12:03.12 | Phil2 | they're taking up a lot of space |
| 12:03.13 | Ebenn27 | But i am punshing it into a textfile |
| 12:03.20 | kalila | how to send the terminate signal to a process, |
| 12:03.22 | bugzilla-n00b | itchi: Because I want to have an answer now, you know. |
| 12:03.24 | kalila | not kill <pid> |
| 12:03.27 | itchi | bugzilla-n00b: Maybe have you need to post an message on the Usenet?? |
| 12:03.48 | itchi | bugzilla-n00b: Usenet is fast at week-end |
| 12:03.48 | cusco | Phil2: apt-get clean |
| 12:03.55 | Phil2 | ty |
| 12:04.13 | kalila | how to send the terminate signal to a process, not "kill <pid>" ? |
| 12:04.19 | cusco | kalila: kill -9 |
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| 12:04.30 | kalila | thanks |
| 12:04.33 | cusco | np |
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| 12:05.54 | Assid | buu: shouldnt it use sarge ?? |
| 12:06.00 | bijur | hey all :) |
| 12:08.12 | bijur | anyone here? |
| 12:08.20 | bijur | lol |
| 12:08.24 | cusco | no! |
| 12:08.29 | Phil2 | nope |
| 12:08.35 | bijur | Assid: thats a damn funny name! :)))) |
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| 12:09.08 | bijur | cusco: u r damn funny :) too |
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| 12:09.29 | cusco | you're easy to entertain then! :D |
| 12:09.40 | Assid | attention span of a squirrel |
| 12:09.58 | bijur | actually .. i really am .. |
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| 12:10.12 | bijur | just put on the AliG videos and i go rofl all over the place |
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| 12:11.04 | cusco | yeah dude! sick man |
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| 12:11.39 | opqdonut | yea fo shizzle |
| 12:11.41 | Malagmyr | From where can I get saslauthd? Can't seem to find it. |
| 12:11.50 | Malagmyr | What do I need to install? |
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| 12:11.56 | spilio | hola |
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| 12:12.04 | spilio | spanish? |
| 12:12.09 | Malagmyr | !sp |
| 12:12.09 | dpkg | it has been said that sp is troubled: you stats pimp! |
| 12:12.11 | azme | ÏÐÅÂÅÄ!!!!!!! |
| 12:12.15 | Malagmyr | !spanish |
| 12:12.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:12.29 | azme | ÉĀ ÂĀŅ ËÓÁËÓ!!!!!!!! |
| 12:12.36 | spilio | thank's |
| 12:12.41 | Malagmyr | azme: stop it. |
| 12:12.59 | bijur | wtf |
| 12:13.04 | azme | äā ïîæāëóéņōā, spilio |
| 12:13.06 | bijur | wats all the spam from dpkg |
| 12:13.09 | azme | ōîęî įā øî? |
| 12:13.12 | azme | ņïðāøčâāåööî |
| 12:13.16 | bijur | /me's patience wears thin |
| 12:13.22 | arghflo | ÅÃĶÂŦ |
| 12:13.22 | arghflo | ?? |
| 12:13.26 | arghflo | ðÄÅÂķÂķŧÂķÂķŧâââ |
| 12:13.28 | Malagmyr | wtf |
| 12:13.29 | arghflo | ÄÄðÄÃðÄÂķâÂķââŽââŽÂķŧâŽÂķŧ |
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| 12:13.31 | arghflo | ?? |
| 12:13.31 | azme | ũčâî??? |
| 12:13.34 | arghflo | ÅÅÅÅ!!! |
| 12:13.37 | arghflo | âŽÂķÅÂķââjÄðâÂĩÃļÃļ |
| 12:13.42 | azme | íó âû ęðîũāâũåãč ōîæå ôëóäčōü! |
| 12:13.44 | bijur | !ops arghflo is spamming junk! |
| 12:13.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: bijur complains about: arghflo is spamming junk! |
| 12:13.45 | cusco | erm |
| 12:13.46 | azme | ĖÎËÎÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ!!!!!!! |
| 12:13.58 | Phil2 | wtf are these idiots doing |
| 12:14.02 | azme | DEBIAN SUX |
| 12:14.05 | andereas12 | no |
| 12:14.06 | andereas12 | you suck |
| 12:14.07 | azme | LINUX SUX |
| 12:14.09 | andereas12 | debian rox |
| 12:14.12 | cusco | you suck more |
| 12:14.15 | azme | U SUCK 2 |
| 12:14.16 | Lamperi | opqdonut, spam |
| 12:14.22 | Phil2 | much much much more |
| 12:14.24 | cusco | but you suck more! |
| 12:14.25 | tarzeau | !ops remove azme the troll |
| 12:14.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: tarzeau complains about: remove azme the troll |
| 12:14.32 | Assid | aarghhh!!!! it doesnt wanna work :( |
| 12:14.39 | bijur | me giggles |
| 12:14.44 | azme | čäčîōû |
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| 12:14.50 | bijur | !ops anyone therE? |
| 12:14.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: bijur complains about: anyone therE |
| 12:15.07 | mentor | We saw hte first itme |
| 12:15.11 | amphi | Assid: it might be quicker to backup, mkfs, and restore |
| 12:15.11 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 12:15.13 | azme | éā įîõāâāë âāų ėîņę! |
| 12:15.20 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@static-ip-85-25-148-242.inaddr.intergenia.de] by mentor |
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| 12:15.28 | spilio | nadie habla espaņol aqui? |
| 12:15.33 | wols_ | !es |
| 12:15.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:15.38 | Malagmyr | thank god |
| 12:16.08 | bijur | are the ops around? |
| 12:16.12 | spilio | nadie responde en ese canal |
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| 12:18.20 | CharminTheMoose | how do i make startx start an X server on display :1? |
| 12:18.20 | bijur | has peace been restored? |
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| 12:18.45 | Phil2 | you mean with VNC CharminTheMoose? |
| 12:19.08 | CharminTheMoose | yeah and ssh |
| 12:19.44 | wols_ | startx -- :1 IIRC |
| 12:19.58 | bijur | startX ? cool! |
| 12:20.08 | wols_ | not startX |
| 12:20.40 | qailer | spilio: no puedes hablar ingles? |
| 12:20.59 | wols_ | qailer: do it in private or #debian-es |
| 12:21.04 | CharminTheMoose | thanks wols_ |
| 12:21.15 | bijur | !debian-es |
| 12:21.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:21.23 | bijur | damn! |
| 12:21.28 | bijur | spaniards! |
| 12:21.31 | bijur | FRATES! |
| 12:21.38 | wols_ | bijur: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 12:21.54 | cahoot | just made it to /igonre |
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| 12:22.49 | qailer | wols_: yes, thought I could lead him some where, stupid, he'd just left btw |
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| 12:23.47 | bijur | wols_: i am just here hanging around :) |
| 12:23.56 | bijur | wols_: any pblm? |
| 12:24.04 | wols_ | then behave like an adult. or try to |
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| 12:24.20 | CharminTheMoose | you say yes,and i say no,you why and i say i don't know!oh noo!you say goodbye and i say hello |
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| 12:24.32 | wols_ | and cut the name calling wrt other nations |
| 12:24.34 | bijur | wols_: w0w! how old are ya? |
| 12:24.34 | CharminTheMoose | hello hello!I don't know why you say good bye i say hello |
| 12:24.43 | Assid | great. i cant get debootstrap |
| 12:25.32 | bijur | name calling? |
| 12:25.42 | bijur | do u even know what 'frates' mean? |
| 12:25.52 | bijur | frates = brother |
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| 12:26.41 | bijur | and 'frates' is used as the way russel crowe addresses his knights before going to war in the first war in Gladiator.. guess u r just a n00b who cant figure out the diff even if i told it to u |
| 12:26.50 | Assid | how do i install debootstrap on redhat? |
| 12:27.10 | Assid | cant even find the source |
| 12:27.46 | bijur | wols_: busy chomping on you feet? |
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| 12:28.19 | amphi | bijur: wtf are you raving about? |
| 12:28.37 | qailer | bijur: common cut it, wols_ is right |
| 12:28.46 | bijur | amphi: wols_was accusing me of calling names of other countries |
| 12:28.53 | bijur | when all i said is 'frates' |
| 12:29.01 | bijur | which was a friendly gesture .. |
| 12:29.13 | bijur | well wols_ isnt right... !wols_ |
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| 12:29.19 | amphi | *shrug* |
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| 12:29.55 | CharminTheMoose | !start a distro war |
| 12:29.56 | dpkg | LFS sux0rz! |
| 12:30.24 | Phil2 | lol |
| 12:30.25 | bijur | CharnubTheMoose: is wols_ a distro? ;) |
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| 12:31.00 | roxy_ | ohh no, not lfs, I like it a lot. |
| 12:31.02 | bijur | !who bijur |
| 12:31.37 | bijur | whats LFS? what file system is that? |
| 12:31.38 | bijur | or is it a file system at all |
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| 12:31.46 | roxy_ | bijur: linux from scratch |
| 12:32.13 | bijur | thanks |
| 12:32.29 | bijur | what abotu it? |
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| 12:33.13 | CharminTheMoose | bijur:Linux From Scratch is where you compile the kernel and ALL programs from source |
| 12:33.33 | CharminTheMoose | and you build a distro out of it |
| 12:33.33 | whadar | now i can "mount /home" without any problem... why does the /etc/fstab fails? is there any way to debug it? |
| 12:33.37 | bijur | oh |
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| 12:33.53 | bijur | have done the kernel bit ..but all the programs? sounds gentoo-ish |
| 12:34.00 | CharminTheMoose | pretty much what linus did |
| 12:34.17 | bijur | but then whats the adv of having everything compiled by u? |
| 12:34.26 | bijur | wud it be faster/better? |
| 12:34.37 | CharminTheMoose | it let's you learn about the inner workings of the linux system |
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| 12:34.56 | CharminTheMoose | the INs and OUTs of it |
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| 12:35.09 | cahoot | CharminTheMoose: I thought he actually wrote (the beginning of) a kernel |
| 12:35.10 | bijur | ins and outs :)) ..lol |
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| 12:35.39 | bijur | pretty much what linus did ? u mean .. copy paste from bsd? |
| 12:35.42 | CharminTheMoose | well yeah cahoot,that's what LFS is,except without actually programming the kernel |
| 12:35.48 | Phil2 | lol |
| 12:35.52 | cahoot | CharminTheMoose: huh |
| 12:36.00 | CharminTheMoose | but maybe i've just made screwed up anallergy |
| 12:36.15 | solemnwarning | Is there a program that recursively copies a folder and also checks the file checksum of each file to make sure it copied ok? |
| 12:36.16 | amphi | 'anallergy', eeww |
| 12:36.55 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: oh, sorry, english is not your native language? |
| 12:37.24 | CharminTheMoose | no,it is,i just can't think how to spell allergory |
| 12:37.30 | CharminTheMoose | or however the feck you spell it |
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| 12:37.51 | plutonas | i have tried lfs, you dont learn anything... you just copy paste some commands |
| 12:38.19 | CharminTheMoose | it's that word used to describe Animal Farm by george orwell |
| 12:38.19 | cahoot | plutonas: you didn't actually type thecomands? |
| 12:39.08 | plutonas | cahoot: nope |
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| 12:39.20 | plutonas | some of them where 3-line commands |
| 12:39.42 | Phil2 | surely you can learn if you want to |
| 12:39.58 | wols_ | plutonas: agreed. typing 3 lines is HARD |
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| 12:40.25 | plutonas | lfs is actually a book and every chapter is a package (in general), and it says: This package does this, you download it from there and you install it whith that command. |
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| 12:40.39 | cahoot | wols_: it's human nature to take shortcuts (wisely so) |
| 12:40.45 | Phil2 | whether you copy, paste and run them or paste them in and take time to understand what it's doing is up to you |
| 12:40.53 | plutonas | wols_: it's not hard but but why should I do it? |
| 12:41.06 | wols_ | cahoot: it's also human nature to be lazy and ignorant |
| 12:41.17 | wols_ | plutonas: for learning |
| 12:41.23 | plutonas | to type? |
| 12:41.41 | cahoot | wols_: lazyness is evolutionary a positive thing |
| 12:41.49 | Phil2 | you can learn without typing all the commands |
| 12:41.54 | wols_ | there are different types of laziness |
| 12:42.03 | Phil2 | it's a matter of understanding what they are doing |
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| 12:42.16 | cahoot | wols_: not really |
| 12:43.01 | plutonas | Phil2: I understood what they are doing, but I could't do it myself now... |
| 12:43.19 | cahoot | wols_: what else are computers than an extreme expression of laziness |
| 12:43.22 | plutonas | and I dont think I gained something by doing this |
| 12:43.28 | Phil2 | then you perhaps don't fully understand the process |
| 12:43.43 | plutonas | Phil2: did you install lfs too? |
| 12:43.50 | roxy_ | plutonas: you learn a lot of stuff because you most likely gonna fuck up something and learn trying to rescue. the #lfs channel is also very helpful. I learned a lot doing it, also it is true if you don't fucked up anything it is basic cut/paste/compile |
| 12:43.51 | tarzeau | it's getting critical http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 12:43.52 | Phil2 | nope |
| 12:44.10 | Phil2 | and I'm not saying you're a lazy so and so for not taking time |
| 12:44.21 | plutonas | roxy_: yes i didn't fuckup anything thats right |
| 12:45.18 | Phil2 | just saying that I'm sure anyone can learn quite a lot if they have and take the time to really learn what it's doing |
| 12:45.21 | plutonas | Phil2: if you had installed an lfs system and I gave you a host system and all the packages needed but not the lfs book, I'm sure you wouldn't manage to set it up again |
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| 12:45.47 | Phil2 | it depends how much I practiced before hand with the lfs book plutonas |
| 12:46.12 | plutonas | ok if you had done 100 installations before, maybe |
| 12:46.17 | Phil2 | clearly the people that wrote the lfs book didn't have a book and know what they're doing |
| 12:46.19 | Phil2 | indeed |
| 12:46.21 | Phil2 | that is my point |
| 12:46.29 | plutonas | Phil2: ok, they learned |
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| 12:46.49 | Phil2 | with enough effort I'm sure lfs can really help you get to grips with the "INs and OUTs" |
| 12:47.21 | plutonas | Phil2: never mind, I have to go have lunch now... But this is an interesting thema... |
| 12:47.23 | Phil2 | however, I'm quite happy with netinstalls and apt for my fairly limited uses of Linux |
| 12:47.34 | Phil2 | bye plutonas |
| 12:47.38 | plutonas | bye |
| 12:47.43 | Assid | buu: you there? |
| 12:47.52 | Assid | debtakeover doesnt work :( |
| 12:47.58 | Assid | keeps crashing out on sanity check |
| 12:48.27 | buu | Yay! |
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| 12:50.03 | itchi | Hi everyone. I have an UPS that i have setup with nut, now i need that he automatically shutdown when the battery is low. Following the nut doc http://www.networkupstools.org/doc/2.0.1/shutdown.html In the section 'How you set it up', point 2. Edit your shutdown scripts to check for the POWERFLAG ... About which script talk these? |
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| 12:58.16 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom PomÂē |
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| 13:01.50 | disposable | how can i make aptitude|synaptic|whatever display just packages available from a certain source? without commenting out others and running apt-get update first. |
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| 13:04.48 | abrotman | can't |
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| 13:05.28 | Braindead | disposable: ~O in aptitude |
| 13:05.44 | Braindead | !~Odebian for example |
| 13:05.58 | abrotman | you lie! |
| 13:06.04 | Braindead | install aptitude-doc-en and read file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html :P |
| 13:06.24 | Braindead | yay \o/ |
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| 13:08.53 | abrotman | errr .. muck |
| 13:10.08 | Braindead | remember to escape the \! |
| 13:10.20 | rem__ | . |
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| 13:13.30 | mahognyy | !one-liner nvidia |
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| 13:13.57 | g00se | Despite having configured proftpd in Sarge to run standalone, it still seems to be starting via inet.d What gives? |
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| 13:17.12 | sphenxes | when is the next debian version "etch" come out? |
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| 13:17.31 | dutchfish | sphenxes, when it is ready |
| 13:17.33 | abrotman | !tell mahognyy about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:17.39 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 13:17.39 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00009.html |
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| 13:18.18 | sphenxes | dutchfish, yes |
| 13:18.31 | devinx | siyh? |
| 13:18.35 | karsten_21 | dutchfish, arent you from gnaa? |
| 13:18.49 | mahognyy | is this a valid sources.list line to use the nvidia one-liner? deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:18.55 | dutchfish | karsten, not that i know, what is gnaa? |
| 13:19.24 | karsten_21 | "Gay Nigger Association of America" |
| 13:19.37 | karsten_21 | a troll group |
| 13:20.23 | dutchfish | karsten_21, 1. Be polite 2. No i am not 3. In doubt? rule 1 goes in afect |
| 13:20.32 | abrotman | devinx: Sooner If You Help |
| 13:20.40 | karsten_21 | lol |
| 13:20.41 | karsten_21 | :) |
| 13:20.46 | abrotman | effect ? |
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| 13:21.54 | disposable | Braindead, thank you |
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| 13:23.48 | streuner | karsten_21: please don't repeat the term again... |
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| 13:24.36 | karsten_21 | streuner, okay |
| 13:25.09 | streuner | karsten_21: Did you solve the issue you have with your videocard? |
| 13:25.45 | karsten_21 | yes, stray_ |
| 13:25.49 | karsten_21 | streuner, |
| 13:25.54 | streuner | ok |
| 13:25.56 | dutchfish | why, xen-create-image --hostname dom-U-0 --ip x.x.x.x --debootstrap (distibution Sarge by default in config) gives E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-amd64/Package, while it didnt 2 weeks ago? |
| 13:25.58 | karsten_21 | it works with legacy driver |
| 13:27.17 | dutchfish | also, distrubution etch does work flawless |
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| 13:29.30 | sphenxes | where can I found a list of wifi cards used on debian (newbie)? |
| 13:29.53 | Con-fuze-ed | can anyone tell me how to change the order that modules load using the grub boot line? |
| 13:30.05 | streuner | there is a nice HP website, sphenxes, just google for it |
| 13:30.16 | sphenxes | streunner thanks |
| 13:30.46 | streuner | dutchfish: you might have more luck in #debian-amd64 about amd64 issues |
| 13:31.36 | streuner | sphenxes: http://wiki.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/WirelessFaq |
| 13:31.51 | devinx | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/nic.html |
| 13:31.52 | streuner | sphenxes: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux |
| 13:33.15 | sphenxes | streuner, thanks once more |
| 13:33.18 | dutchfish | streuner, thx for hint |
| 13:33.44 | abrotman | Con-fuze-ed: i don't htink you can from grub .. maybe ask #grub |
| 13:34.16 | Con-fuze-ed | abrotman: I just did... they are quiet. :-( |
| 13:34.50 | abrotman | Con-fuze-ed: wait a bit .. they've answered every questoin i've asked them .. given enough time |
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| 13:35.05 | Assid | okay.. i reached a stage where really i shouldnt be having a problem: mercury:/# base-config |
| 13:35.05 | Assid | Terminated |
| 13:35.18 | wols_ | how would grub be able to influence module loading? all it careas is about loading the kernel |
| 13:35.22 | Assid | dutchfish: im following this: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 13:35.41 | wols_ | Con-fuze-ed: why does it have to be grub which determines module loading? |
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| 13:36.04 | devinx | slight problem...when I boot my network appears to initialize okay and eth0,eth1 show up in ifconfig looking good, but it doesn't work unless I type ifdown/ifup. |
| 13:36.13 | karsten_21 | GNAA > * |
| 13:36.14 | abrotman | wols_: it can pass kernel options |
| 13:36.17 | Con-fuze-ed | Oh... I'm not going anywhere... just built up a server that wont boot cuz I'm using software raid to stripe two arrays on seperate controllers... and mdadm is loading before the two raid cards are up |
| 13:36.18 | karsten_21 | ^^ |
| 13:36.21 | abrotman | karsten_21: SHUT UP |
| 13:36.29 | karsten_21 | j/k abchirk__ |
| 13:36.30 | karsten_21 | abrotman, |
| 13:36.31 | karsten_21 | ;p |
| 13:36.40 | streuner | oh, he seems to be the versanet troll :-) |
| 13:36.48 | karsten_21 | versanet troll? |
| 13:36.57 | dutchfish | Assid, looks nice and clean |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | i blame the germans |
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| 13:37.10 | wols_ | abrotman: hey! |
| 13:37.12 | Assid | dutchfish: yes, but i cant seem to run base-config .. it just terminates |
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| 13:37.20 | Neeesat25 | Hello |
| 13:37.25 | devinx | hallo |
| 13:37.28 | karsten_21 | hallo |
| 13:37.42 | Neeesat25 | How can I backup all my debian system on mounted disk? |
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| 13:37.58 | wols_ | !backup |
| 13:37.58 | dpkg | somebody said backup was something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 13:37.59 | Neeesat25 | I want to make an iso |
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| 13:38.08 | abrotman | system-imager might work |
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| 13:38.35 | Assid | dutchfish: i keep getting terminated |
| 13:38.37 | abrotman | erm .. maybe it's bootcd ? |
| 13:38.51 | karsten_21 | is it possible to create a full backup of the system on cd? |
| 13:39.01 | abrotman | !info bootcd etch |
| 13:39.03 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 2.53 (etch), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 13:39.12 | karsten_21 | no, a backup |
| 13:39.16 | karsten_21 | not a live cd |
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| 13:39.18 | karsten_21 | :S |
| 13:39.36 | abrotman | read the docs for bootcd |
| 13:39.41 | devinx | Neeesat25: http://www.cpqlinux.com/ddbackup.html |
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| 13:41.01 | itchi | Hi everyone. I have an UPS that i have setup with nut, now i need that he automatically shutdown when the battery is low. Following the nut doc http://www.networkupstools.org/doc/2.0.1/shutdown.html In the section 'How you set it up', point 2. Edit your shutdown scripts to check for the POWERFLAG ... About which script talk these? |
| 13:41.11 | dutchfish | Assid, if i am not mistaken base-config is only Sarge |
| 13:41.24 | abrotman | base-config has been removed from etch/sid |
| 13:41.35 | Neeesat25 | I am running a debian system with lots of packages installed. Is it possible to make from my excisting system an iso image to a mounted NFS drive? |
| 13:42.14 | abrotman | maybe system-imager or bootcd |
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| 13:43.14 | dutchfish | Neeesat25, what about th elog-files? |
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| 13:43.51 | Neeesat25 | elog-files? |
| 13:43.58 | itchi | The /sbin/shutdown is an binary file. I can not imagine that i need to change somethings like that. But what exactly? |
| 13:44.01 | dutchfish | Neeesat25, the log files* |
| 13:44.18 | Neeesat25 | log for what? |
| 13:44.28 | Neeesat25 | I want all the files to be in an iso image |
| 13:44.38 | devinx | Neeesat25: maybe.... mkisofs -o outfile.iso / |
| 13:44.42 | _fat | Hi, is there supposed to be a /etc/init.d/inetd in etch? got a symlink in /etc/rcx.d/ for it but no actual file in init.d/ |
| 13:44.43 | dutchfish | Neeesat25, just for backup? |
| 13:44.50 | Neeesat25 | so as to install the same system on another pc |
| 13:45.15 | dutchfish | Neeesat25, mkisofs |
| 13:45.45 | Assid | yeah.. im using the sarge template |
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| 13:46.11 | Assid | and its part of that documentation |
| 13:46.44 | Neeesat25 | I have try mkisofs but I get a lot of ignore messages |
| 13:46.58 | itchi | Neeesat25: Is it not simplier to compress these files an archieve it with tar? |
| 13:47.08 | dutchfish | Neeesat25, did you unmount partition first? |
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| 13:47.33 | dutchfish | Neeesat25, forget that |
| 13:47.38 | Neeesat25 | unmount? I am doing this on a running system |
| 13:47.55 | abrotman | golly .. i mentioned system-imager |
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| 13:48.02 | abrotman | _fat: where does it point ? |
| 13:48.14 | itchi | Neeesat25: You should maybe need to take another live cd, boot the system and make an copy (over the network)? |
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| 13:48.32 | dutchfish | Neeesat25, if your partition is on lvm you can use rsnapshot |
| 13:48.39 | _fat | abrotman, the symlink points to /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 13:48.43 | itchi | Neeesat25: Pipe tar to ssh |
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| 13:48.45 | abrotman | he could also rsync the whole box |
| 13:48.48 | Assid | dutchfish: how else do you reconfigure the base ? |
| 13:49.03 | abrotman | _fat: i don't have one on my box |
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| 13:49.11 | dutchfish | Assid, i dont use base-config i manually edit the config files |
| 13:49.23 | itchi | Maybe cp the whole fs, can be done so also :-p |
| 13:49.29 | _fat | abrotman, ok..and you haven't got the symlink either? |
| 13:49.32 | Neeesat25 | how can I check if it is on lvm? |
| 13:49.39 | tziku | hello, how can i reinstall my debian system without loosing information using SSH ? |
| 13:49.42 | abrotman | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2005-04-17 18:19 /etc/rc2.d/S20inetd -> ../init.d/inetd |
| 13:49.43 | abrotman | lik ehtat ? |
| 13:49.49 | _fat | yeah |
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| 13:50.01 | itchi | tziku: Make a backup |
| 13:50.09 | dutchfish | Neeesat25, lvdisplay |
| 13:50.16 | abrotman | i have those .. they don't point anywhere |
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| 13:50.31 | Neeesat25 | -bash: lvdisplay: command not found |
| 13:50.39 | tziku | itchi after ? |
| 13:50.41 | dutchfish | Neeesat25, then its not |
| 13:50.47 | _fat | abrotman, nods. i thought it was pretty awkward to find thus asking |
| 13:50.49 | _fat | abrotman, thanks |
| 13:51.10 | Schmo- | DCC SEND Vanuatoo_Vanuatoo_Vanuatoo |
| 13:51.18 | abrotman | _fat: and apt-file can't find it either |
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| 13:51.34 | Neeesat25 | So what can I do for having it in an ISO? mkisofs from a diferent system? |
| 13:51.37 | itchi | tziku: Your question is not yet clear |
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| 13:51.51 | dutchfish | Neeesat25, then i suggest rsync tools |
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| 13:52.10 | itchi | tziku: You want to reinstall the whole system? There are some data still on the system? |
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| 13:52.42 | tziku | itchi forgot "after" . I have a backup and i want to reinstall , what utility should i use ? |
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| 13:53.01 | sphenxes | hi, i have using SuSE linux for more than 2 years, and I installed debian and I like it. My question: i have D-Link DWL 520 which works fine under SuSE 10.1. Can I install debian and use my wireless card without problem? |
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| 13:53.14 | Neeesat25 | Can I use rsync and backup my system as it's running? |
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| 13:53.23 | rambo3 | ban Schmod- |
| 13:53.29 | rambo3 | ban Schmo- |
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| 13:53.31 | Schmo- | why ? |
| 13:53.33 | tziku | itchi i have rootkit installed on system...doh :( |
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| 13:53.40 | itchi | tziku: If you have an backup of all your important stuff. It's no problem. Just put the Debian cd in the cd rom and follow on screen. |
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| 13:53.45 | rambo3 | DCC SEND kfdsjkfklafjksdkfssjkfsjkl |
| 13:53.50 | abrotman | !ops Schmo- DCC on join spam |
| 13:53.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: Schmo- DCC on join spam |
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| 13:54.12 | Schmo- | thats not me dude |
| 13:54.14 | abrotman | and while you're at it .. can you stop psyconate from doing that |
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| 13:54.20 | tziku | itchi i can't go to the computer now...but is in LAN with me 1Gb lan network. |
| 13:54.21 | Schmo- | .. im in australia.. |
| 13:54.25 | abrotman | Schmo-: yes .. it is |
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| 13:54.51 | Schmo- | how so abrot ? |
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| 13:55.00 | phogg | Neeesat25: yes |
| 13:55.02 | abrotman | dude .. you msg'ed me when i joined |
| 13:55.02 | dvs | Schmo-: DCC SEND kfdsjkfklafjksdkfssjkfsjkl |
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| 13:55.08 | dvs | Schmo-: That |
| 13:55.11 | Schmo- | and that was an accident |
| 13:55.12 | itchi | tziku: dunno |
| 13:55.14 | Schmo- | i forgot the slash |
| 13:55.15 | Schmo- | ;s |
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| 13:55.23 | dvs | Schmo-: then fix it |
| 13:55.24 | abrotman | Schmo-: touch shit |
| 13:55.24 | Neeesat25 | Can someone give an example with rsync? |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | Neeesat25: man rsync |
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| 13:55.37 | Schmo- | how can i fix a computer which aint mine ?! |
| 13:55.44 | Schmo- | how did that even happen |
| 13:55.45 | abrotman | then don't irc from hit |
| 13:55.47 | tziku | how can i resitnall my debian system using SSH & Network 1Gb LAN ? What utility i need to use for reinstalling. |
| 13:55.47 | abrotman | from it |
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| 13:55.55 | itchi | tziku: Maybe check /msg dpkg debtakeover |
| 13:55.55 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 13:56.04 | sussudio | now Schmo- |
| 13:56.06 | Neeesat25 | It is not so clear in the man pages |
| 13:56.09 | abrotman | and again |
| 13:56.19 | abrotman | Neeesat25: read them again |
| 13:56.23 | abrotman | erm .. read it again |
| 13:56.25 | whadar | how can i change the ownership of /home/auser from root to the non-root auser? |
| 13:56.32 | abrotman | chown |
| 13:56.33 | phogg | Neeesat25: why would you not be able to do so? |
| 13:57.04 | itchi | whadar: See also /msg dpkg grounding |
| 13:57.35 | tziku | let's see thanks itchi |
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| 13:58.05 | abrotman | !tell Felka about root |
| 13:58.13 | abrotman | !afo |
| 13:58.13 | dpkg | antgel for ops! |
| 13:58.20 | dvs | wwho? |
| 13:58.21 | whadar | itchi: was it so newbish? im sorry... |
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| 13:59.04 | sussudio | abrotman: Schmo- is still doing it :-| |
| 13:59.04 | itchi | whadar: How so? I not understand |
| 13:59.19 | blondie | what do you have to do to make debian/cups detect usb printers? |
| 13:59.20 | itchi | whadar: dpkg give you some tips, points to some great info |
| 13:59.31 | blondie | it says: "Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": No such device" |
| 13:59.40 | blondie | is there a module that needs loading? |
| 13:59.41 | whadar | itchi: ok thanks |
| 13:59.50 | dvs | blondie: usblp |
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| 14:01.09 | blondie | dvs: thanks, though it still gives the same error on cups :| |
| 14:01.14 | Assid | err.. but it doesnt make a grub directory |
| 14:01.23 | dvs | blondie: is the printer on? |
| 14:01.23 | abrotman | sussudio: i can't do shit about it |
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| 14:01.40 | blondie | yes it's on... and dmesg says stuff when it's plugged in |
| 14:01.42 | abrotman | sussudio: i can go find staff i guess |
| 14:01.53 | blondie | it says lp0: ECP mode |
| 14:01.59 | blondie | when I plug the usb cable in |
| 14:02.06 | dvs | ??? |
| 14:02.15 | blondie | so it is detecting it. |
| 14:02.28 | dvs | I though ECP had to do with a parallel port? |
| 14:02.37 | blondie | so did i... |
| 14:02.48 | blondie | but that's what it says |
| 14:02.52 | abrotman | it does |
| 14:02.59 | abrotman | !ecp |
| 14:03.21 | dvs | enhanced centronics port |
| 14:03.35 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1284 |
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| 14:04.11 | abrotman | Extended Capability Port (ECP) |
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| 14:05.04 | xingu | I was going to say, centronics is (a) a trademark and (b) a physical connector description |
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| 14:06.34 | xingu | blondie: /dev/lp0 surely |
| 14:06.44 | Assid | oh great dutchfish is gone |
| 14:06.50 | maxweber | hello, i have a question concerning the xemacs21 debian maintainer. his name is Ohura Makotu. It seems to me he seldomly replies to debian bugreports. why? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=src&data=xemacs21&pend-exc=fixed&pend-exc=done |
| 14:06.51 | blondie | xingu: don't ask me.... it's a usb one. |
| 14:06.52 | Assid | and im stuck |
| 14:07.00 | blondie | anyway, the device *does* exist |
| 14:07.02 | blondie | it's lying |
| 14:07.16 | Braindead | maxweber: you could ask him directly |
| 14:07.16 | Assid | okay if i install grub.. shouldnt it come with the default config files and everything |
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| 14:08.01 | abrotman | Felka: better ... |
| 14:08.26 | Felka | thanks for the hint |
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| 14:09.15 | maxweber | Braindead: i already mailed him, bts was not working, so i resend a cc message to his maintainer account. and after that he was active with debian, because he uploaded new version to unstable, so hes not dead, ill, etc.. |
| 14:09.19 | russo | hey guys i need to install tcl8.4... how can i force apt-get to install it? there is no stable version of it i believe |
| 14:09.36 | abrotman | maxweber: i think that's your hint to switch to vi :) |
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| 14:09.39 | Braindead | maxweber: maybe he's just busy. how can WE know? |
| 14:09.55 | abrotman | russo: apt-cache search tcl .. which versions are there ? |
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| 14:10.19 | maxweber | Braindead: just asking. maybe some special maintainers are known for ""ignoring" user reports |
| 14:10.35 | abrotman | there's also an MIA report |
| 14:10.36 | Assid | err.. when i install grub.. shouldnt i be getting the grub config files as well |
| 14:10.41 | maxweber | abrotman: i need xemacs for slime support (lisp..) ;-) |
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| 14:10.52 | abrotman | ewwwwwwwww |
| 14:10.53 | russo | abrotman: just unstable versions thats why i'm asking how to install unstable |
| 14:11.04 | abrotman | !tell russo about simple sid backport |
| 14:11.09 | cusco | q |
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| 14:11.23 | Braindead | russo: nope. check http://packages.debian.org/tcl8.4 and see for yourself |
| 14:11.38 | Braindead | there is indeed a stable version |
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| 14:12.11 | blondie | ok maybe that message was unrelated, as if I unplug it now nad then put it back it says nothing |
| 14:12.15 | xingu | blondie: from memory the ieee1284 stuff populates a bus either under /proc or under /sys |
| 14:12.17 | abrotman | maxweber: so he's not MIA ... just not very responsive .. you could offer to co-maintain the package :) |
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| 14:12.30 | blondie | xingu: its usb. |
| 14:12.34 | xingu | blondie: my initial question would be - is your peer peripheral identifying there? |
| 14:12.53 | xingu | blondie: |
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| 14:13.28 | xingu | blondie: when you say "usb" do you mean usb by way of a usb to parallel converter? |
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| 14:13.50 | xingu | blondie: or is it just a regular old usb host/device cable? |
| 14:14.00 | Neeesat25 | I am trying to use rsync but I dont understand what to use as an option to copy all my system to a network NFS drive |
| 14:14.11 | blondie | the latter. |
| 14:14.19 | blondie | maybe the ECP message was a coincidence. |
| 14:14.22 | xingu | blondie: what does lsusb think about what's connected? |
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| 14:15.03 | blondie | um |
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| 14:15.51 | blondie | lsusb is not saying much, just hanging... |
| 14:16.01 | abrotman | Neeesat25: then read it again |
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| 14:16.58 | Althaser | abrotman yesterday, I installed equivs but I though it wouldn't be a good ideia about debian menu yet :-P |
| 14:17.02 | xingu | blondie: ok so you're slowly narrowing this to a failed hotplug event I think; which means that either the usb hotplug has gone off the deep end, or, you have a hardware fault |
| 14:17.09 | Althaser | abrotman can you tell me about .local/share/applications/menu-xdg/X-Debian- ? |
| 14:17.15 | abrotman | Althaser: did it work ? |
| 14:17.24 | xingu | blondie: is it possible that your printer is wanting more current than that port can supply? is there a usb hub involved anywhere? |
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| 14:17.33 | Althaser | I didn't try about equivs :-P |
| 14:17.37 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 14:17.41 | blondie | the printer has a power cable, and no there isn't |
| 14:17.43 | abrotman | Althaser: where did you get that other line from ? |
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| 14:18.23 | abrotman | Althaser: oh .. ~/.local/ |
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| 14:18.26 | Althaser | I have an entry that only are inside there |
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| 14:18.35 | xingu | blondie: if you break lsusb and then rerun as strace -f lsusb, where does it pause? |
| 14:18.36 | blondie | it was all fine before I rebuilt the machine >.< |
| 14:18.38 | Althaser | oops sorry I forgot ~/ |
| 14:18.45 | blondie | I can't kill lsusb |
| 14:19.03 | xingu | blondie: perhaps on another console, then paste (ask dpkg) the tail of the output so I can see? |
| 14:19.18 | xingu | blondie: hw rebuild or just software reinstall? |
| 14:19.23 | abrotman | Althaser: that's for the Debian menu |
| 14:19.28 | russo | abrotman: shouldn't i just be able to run apt-get tcl8.4? |
| 14:19.32 | Althaser | abrotman do you know what manage ~/.local/share/applications/menu-xdg/ ? please |
| 14:19.35 | russo | it says there is no candidate |
| 14:19.39 | abrotman | russo: which version of debian ? |
| 14:20.09 | Althaser | abrotman yeah right I would like to add new entries to my debian menu |
| 14:20.09 | abrotman | Althaser: something from the menu-xdg package |
| 14:20.09 | russo | i believe its sarge i dled the dvd and like i said am running with in my parallels system on my mac |
| 14:20.26 | abrotman | russo: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. which version ? |
| 14:20.28 | russo | i mean the dvd from the debian site ofcourse |
| 14:20.42 | Dante^^ | hi, does anybody know when iceweasel 2.0 is going to be available? |
| 14:20.46 | Althaser | but if I add a new entry there and run update-menus it auto-delete my created entry |
| 14:20.52 | russo | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 14:20.56 | abrotman | Dante^^: no |
| 14:20.58 | Braindead | russo: paste on a pastebin the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:21.03 | Braindead | !tell russo about paste |
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| 14:21.07 | abrotman | Althaser: probably grabs them from /usr/share/menu/ |
| 14:21.24 | blondie | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/239826 |
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| 14:22.04 | xingu | blondie: looks like hw fault; lsusb is hanging after asking the usb host adapter to send an identify urb |
| 14:22.06 | russo | jesus i'm not a total n00b Braindead :) i just use slackware and not debian... i need debian because we use a really stupid programming langugae at school... and its difficult to compile eg. always fails. Anyway theres a debian package :) |
| 14:22.17 | Althaser | abrotman let me try other thing, thanks |
| 14:22.25 | fasta | How can I use expect to send the command <command> to a local telnet server? When I do spawn telnet <address> <port> <newline> send <command> it seems the command gets ignored. When I do instead send <command><newline> interact, all is well, but I have no idea of why that happens. Do you? |
| 14:22.25 | abrotman | Althaser: i'm looking |
| 14:22.26 | Braindead | russo: so what's the problem in showing us your sources.list? |
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| 14:22.50 | russo | no i'm working on it you just sent me how to use pastebin :) |
| 14:22.54 | abrotman | russo: stupid programming language ? |
| 14:22.56 | xingu | blondie: which looks like pretty bad juju to me; it's bus 1 device 1 (first device probed) that's gone barmy or the whole host controller |
| 14:23.03 | abrotman | russo: tcl is stupid ? |
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| 14:23.41 | abrotman | russo: apt-get install tcl8.4 |
| 14:23.46 | russo | http://pastebin.ca/239830 |
| 14:24.16 | syntaxx | is it possible to run beryl in debian sarge? |
| 14:24.16 | Braindead | russo: you've got NO stable sources configured. |
| 14:24.20 | abrotman | russo: mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup |
| 14:24.27 | abrotman | russo: then run apt-setup |
| 14:24.30 | abrotman | choose an http source |
| 14:24.40 | russo | http://pastebin.ca/239832 |
| 14:24.53 | russo | oic |
| 14:25.03 | abrotman | russo: do what i just said .. then run apt-get update && apt-get install tcl8.4 |
| 14:25.15 | Neeesat25 | rsync gives read errors |
| 14:25.15 | abrotman | and any other packages you might need like tcl8.4-doc |
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| 14:25.27 | russo | yeah ok like i said i'm a slacker :) In slack you just compile... always :) |
| 14:25.29 | Braindead | abrotman: the guy meant http://uebb.cs.tu-berlin.de/~opal/ as a stupid language |
| 14:25.37 | russo | yeah it is :) |
| 14:25.53 | abrotman | i blame the germans! |
| 14:25.55 | russo | its just a poor system |
| 14:26.00 | russo | i mean the compiler fails |
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| 14:26.08 | russo | i don't mind the langugage although its also buggy |
| 14:26.14 | xingu | blondie: about all I can suggest on the sw side is make sure your kernel is ~current |
| 14:26.21 | russo | i wish we just did haskell isntead of new functional languages |
| 14:26.26 | blondie | it's 2.6.8 |
| 14:26.53 | xingu | blondie: that ain't current by any stretch; any hope of shifting you to 2.6.17+ and sysfs/udev? |
| 14:27.03 | blondie | no, I'm using sarge. |
| 14:27.20 | blondie | it was all fine on woody |
| 14:27.28 | abrotman | what did blondie break now ? |
| 14:27.32 | xingu | blondie: *nod* appreciate the difficulties there; was woody using 2.4? |
| 14:27.36 | blondie | yes |
| 14:27.43 | dvs | abrotman: a printer |
| 14:27.51 | xingu | abrotman: devfs_connectinfo is hanging probing bus1 device1 |
| 14:28.12 | abrotman | and this is why i don't own a printer :) |
| 14:28.14 | xingu | abrotman: obviously usb hotplug is going to have a fit |
| 14:28.22 | abrotman | usblp loaded ? |
| 14:28.33 | dvs | abrotman: What? You write it out by hand? |
| 14:28.37 | xingu | abrotman: all bets would be off at that point |
| 14:28.48 | abrotman | dvs: i buy the book :) |
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| 14:28.56 | dvs | heh |
| 14:29.17 | blondie | if it doesn't work I'll put in another parallel port |
| 14:29.31 | xingu | blondie: the issue is, is that late-2.4 usb is probably newer than 2.6.8's usb |
| 14:29.57 | russo | thanks alot guys :) |
| 14:29.58 | abrotman | xingu: uhm .. it's probably the same .. |
| 14:30.01 | xingu | blondie: on the sw side there have been races in the past where the usb stack could get wedged waiting for a urb response from a peripheral which would never occur |
| 14:30.01 | abrotman | russo: all working ? |
| 14:30.04 | sphenxes | i am newbie, I used debian in both english and German language. Now I have a question, is there any other languages availalbe, especially arabic and where can I downloaded |
| 14:30.06 | sphenxes | it |
| 14:30.09 | russo | i think its installing atm |
| 14:30.13 | abrotman | !locales |
| 14:30.13 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 14:30.21 | abrotman | russo: think ? |
| 14:30.24 | sphenxes | !arabic |
| 14:30.24 | dpkg | [arabic] Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ |
| 14:30.38 | xingu | abrotman: not really, a lot of these races don't happen under BKL |
| 14:30.42 | russo | its working just installing atm |
| 14:30.49 | russo | yay!!! |
| 14:30.51 | russo | :) |
| 14:30.51 | blondie | ffs now it doesnt seem to be booting... |
| 14:30.52 | russo | :) |
| 14:30.55 | abrotman | xingu: i'm saying the 2.4 in sarge is roughly the same age as the 2.6 |
| 14:30.59 | xingu | abrotman: same-ly buggy stack, differently protected locking |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | !tell russo about refcard |
| 14:31.18 | abrotman | russo: that might help you with debian commands |
| 14:31.39 | abrotman | russo: why do you have to use debian for the crappy language ? |
| 14:31.48 | russo | no debian has a package |
| 14:31.52 | russo | so you don't have to compile |
| 14:32.03 | russo | i tried compling under the last version of slack to no avail |
| 14:32.05 | abrotman | oh! |
| 14:32.07 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 14:32.08 | russo | and i tried slamd64 and also no |
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| 14:32.15 | russo | but slamd64 i'm not surprised |
| 14:32.17 | russo | :) |
| 14:32.18 | abrotman | russo: what .. no gentoo ? |
| 14:32.32 | russo | bah gentoo :) some of us have lives beyond the gentoo install |
| 14:32.37 | russo | takes too long :) |
| 14:32.49 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:32.58 | Assid | sussudio: you free for a few? |
| 14:33.05 | blondie | hmpf, with printer plugged into usb it gets stuck booting. |
| 14:33.06 | russo | i love slack because i like configuring things myself but not when i try everything and still can't get it to wrok |
| 14:33.08 | russo | work* |
| 14:33.11 | dvs | russo: C'mon! Emit more ozone bustin' gases! |
| 14:33.41 | russo | i tried compiling opal in OS X but it had trouble with tcl and other linking problems since OS X uses a wierd bsd linker |
| 14:33.59 | russo | but now i'm just running parallels and sshing into the system :) |
| 14:34.03 | xingu | blondie: try your most currently available 2.4 kernel if that's an option would be my next suggestion |
| 14:34.05 | russo | btw whats the minimum ram for debian |
| 14:34.10 | abrotman | blondie: is the printer off or on ? |
| 14:34.11 | russo | because its sucking 256MB atm |
| 14:34.37 | russo | i want to set it to as little as possible |
| 14:34.37 | russo | becuase i'm not running x |
| 14:34.37 | abrotman | russo: 24MB to install sarge .. but it'll be slow |
| 14:34.38 | blondie | the printer is asleep |
| 14:34.38 | russo | i'm just ssh into my comp |
| 14:34.39 | russo | sshing* |
| 14:34.41 | blondie | it says: |
| 14:34.45 | russo | if thats a verb :) |
| 14:34.46 | messju | hi. I attached a usb 2.0 external harddisk to my sarge system. the performance of the disk is *very* poor (< 1mb/sek). how can I debug and fix that? what could be the reason? |
| 14:34.50 | abrotman | russo: if it's text mode .. 64MB should be great |
| 14:34.58 | blondie | usb 1-2: control timeout on ep0in |
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| 14:35.09 | abrotman | russo: though .. i don't know anything about the language you're using or what it takes to compile stuff |
| 14:35.11 | russo | k thanks again abrotman you made my day and actually saved me a lot of time this semester :) |
| 14:35.11 | amphi | messju: sounds like usb1 instead of usb2 |
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| 14:35.19 | russo | oh thats true |
| 14:35.20 | abrotman | blondie: uhci or ehci ? |
| 14:35.22 | russo | it eats ram like crazy |
| 14:35.30 | russo | oh actually i did compile it under slack! |
| 14:35.31 | blondie | abrotman: dunno |
| 14:35.38 | russo | it said not enough system memory available |
| 14:35.44 | abrotman | russo: weird |
| 14:35.45 | russo | which was kind of funny and weird |
| 14:35.58 | russo | i mean this was parallels slack |
| 14:36.23 | russo | slamd64 obviously had trouble with 64bit linking i mean it may not be obvious but that was the error there |
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| 14:36.41 | russo | anyway thats why i called it a crappy langugage... or rather crappy compiler :) |
| 14:36.44 | messju | "[8138096.387283] hub 1-3:1.0: USB hub found" that's not good, right? |
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| 14:37.07 | russo | messju why is that bad |
| 14:37.15 | abrotman | lspci |
| 14:37.23 | messju | I thought the "1.0" means "usb 1.0" |
| 14:37.38 | abrotman | 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01) |
| 14:37.41 | russo | no that might mean your usb port |
| 14:37.57 | russo | yeah you might need to enable it in kernel :) |
| 14:37.58 | messju | ah, ok |
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| 14:39.11 | abrotman | Althaser: look in /var/lib/menu-xdg/ too |
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| 14:40.17 | hardfalcon | hello |
| 14:40.57 | russo | ah crap i probably shouldn't have installed gdm... is the inittab the same in debian? can i just set the default runlevel to init 3 |
| 14:41.10 | hardfalcon | does anybody know how to remove a directory again from the PATH variable? |
| 14:41.11 | Braindead | no. debian ain't redhat |
| 14:41.16 | abrotman | russo: no |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | !tell russo about nodm |
| 14:41.28 | dvs | russo: run levels 2-5 are the same in Debian |
| 14:41.35 | russo | hmm |
| 14:41.37 | abrotman | by default anyways |
| 14:41.56 | wols_ | hardfalcon: just edit your PATH variable? |
| 14:42.05 | hardfalcon | well, how do i do that? |
| 14:42.07 | abrotman | wols_: you can do that?!!?! |
| 14:42.21 | wols_ | only experts can, but yes it's possible |
| 14:42.31 | wols_ | takes a 5 year apprenticeship at least tho |
| 14:42.33 | Braindead | it's almost vodoo |
| 14:42.37 | russo | can i just remove the rc.d so that it doesn't launch? by running "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" |
| 14:42.37 | hardfalcon | i mean the global path fr all users btw, not the path for a single account |
| 14:42.49 | Braindead | voodooo /o/` |
| 14:42.53 | abrotman | russo: that's one way .. |
| 14:43.06 | russo | i mean i may at one point want to start gdm as root :P |
| 14:43.07 | abrotman | russo: or actually .. do it for gdm |
| 14:43.17 | russo | yeah i know thats what i meant |
| 14:43.25 | abrotman | russo: right .. then you could /etc/init.d/gdm start manually |
| 14:43.40 | Braindead | russo: there's more than a way to skin a bear. update-rc.d,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf ... |
| 14:43.48 | abrotman | rm :) |
| 14:43.57 | russo | or just type gdm :) |
| 14:44.04 | wols_ | hardfalcon: cd /etc; grep PATH *|less |
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| 14:45.10 | hardfalcon | thx wols :) |
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| 14:46.14 | fasta | How can I use expect to send the command <command> to a local telnet server? When I do spawn telnet <address> <port> <newline> send <command> it seems the command gets ignored. When I do instead send <command><newline> interact, all is well, but I have no idea of why that happens. Do you? |
| 14:46.42 | abrotman | smtp test ? |
| 14:47.21 | fasta | abrotman: no |
| 14:47.54 | abrotman | maybe the connection isn't fully established when you do the first ? |
| 14:48.31 | xingu | fasta: send ...\r |
| 14:48.48 | fasta | xingu: yes, I am doing send "<command>\r" |
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| 14:49.07 | fasta | abrotman: there are a million things that could be wrong. I would like to talk with someone who has done these kind of things in the past. Maybe you did. I don't know. |
| 14:49.14 | messju | it seems I had to lead *hci_hcd, thanks russo! :) |
| 14:49.20 | abrotman | maybe i did .. you'll never know :) |
| 14:49.35 | abrotman | fasta: you could try netcat also |
| 14:50.05 | xingu | fasta: set log_user 1 at the head of your script, take a look at what's happening |
| 14:50.32 | russo | i'm not sure what it was that i said to help you but you're very welcom messju |
| 14:50.42 | fasta | xingu: that doesn |
| 14:50.51 | fasta | xingu: 't change anything |
| 14:51.01 | AnyFile | fasta you can use some library that directly allow you to send tlenet command (I do not know any of them, but they surely exist. Even http are very similar). I do not think you can pass command on the command line |
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| 14:51.16 | Raven007 | hello |
| 14:51.36 | yang | I tried to install mysql-query-browser and I get errors: http://paste.debian.net/16138 |
| 14:51.55 | xingu | fasta: is the send the last line of your script? |
| 14:52.04 | fasta | xingu: with the interact removed, it is. |
| 14:52.14 | xingu | fasta: are you perhaps missing a second expect "$" or whatever your remote prompt var is? |
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| 14:52.35 | Raven007 | yang: looks like that package is broken |
| 14:52.42 | hardfalcon | yang: use aptitude to install the mysql-browser |
| 14:52.54 | fasta | xingu: This expect script doesn't "expect" anything. It just sends a command. |
| 14:53.02 | hardfalcon | and check wether there are any unmet dependencies (they are marked red) |
| 14:53.09 | hardfalcon | if there area, fix them manually |
| 14:53.20 | yang | hardfalcon: there is no package mysql-broswer |
| 14:53.29 | Raven007 | i dont think that's a good ideea |
| 14:53.31 | jelly-home | does udev (on etch) log its actions anywhere? |
| 14:53.36 | hardfalcon | ah, sry, i ment mysql-query-browser |
| 14:53.39 | abrotman | yang: why are you installing it from sarge ? |
| 14:53.54 | yang | abrotman: i have sarge+backports sources |
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| 14:54.03 | mouse_ | hi |
| 14:54.07 | abrotman | shouldn't need -t then |
| 14:54.08 | mouse_ | i'm back again |
| 14:54.08 | Raven007 | that package looks like it has several broken deps |
| 14:54.08 | yang | abrotman: and i get 2 versions of mysql-query-browser |
| 14:54.15 | mouse_ | i still got problems |
| 14:54.18 | mouse_ | X doesn't work |
| 14:54.19 | abrotman | yang: isn't -tsarge your default ? |
| 14:54.22 | mouse_ | and it says |
| 14:54.24 | abrotman | mouse_: be less vague |
| 14:54.35 | mouse_ | FATAL: Module i915 not found. |
| 14:54.35 | yang | abrotman: no i changed default to backports |
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| 14:54.37 | fasta | xingu: do you need more information? |
| 14:54.38 | abrotman | jelly-home: you mean when it boots ? |
| 14:54.41 | mouse_ | and also |
| 14:54.43 | abrotman | mouse_: i810 ? |
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| 14:54.53 | abrotman | yang: -tsarge |
| 14:54.59 | mouse_ | Configured Mouse: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
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| 14:55.02 | mouse_ | No such device |
| 14:55.04 | mouse_ | yes abrotman |
| 14:55.10 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:55.11 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:55.14 | abrotman | paste your config and X log |
| 14:55.25 | jelly-home | abrotman: no, when hardware configuration changes. But never mind, I found udevcontrol in the meantime. |
| 14:55.28 | mouse_ | i don't have X how can i access to it? |
| 14:55.33 | abrotman | jelly-home: okay |
| 14:55.38 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 14:55.38 | dpkg | it has been said that pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 14:55.47 | Skaag | i'm trying to get a remote X app to display on my box through SSH X11 forwarding, I have forwarding enabled on the remote, and I ssh -X (and also tried -Y) but the DISPLAY var on the remote box is not being set, and it doesn't work even if I try to force it into localhost:10.0, any ideas what else could be wrong? |
| 14:55.57 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 14:55.57 | dpkg | i heard sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 14:56.14 | Skaag | thanks abrotman |
| 14:56.45 | yang | abrotman: i cannot bypass all those dependancies... |
| 14:56.53 | hardfalcon | hmmm |
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| 14:57.15 | abrotman | yang: apt-cache policy libgconf2-4 ... which versino is it trying to install ? |
| 14:57.31 | hardfalcon | imho there are simply some repositories missing in your sources.list |
| 14:57.34 | strikeforce | can someone tell me whether they can connect to my webserver please? |
| 14:57.48 | yang | Candidate: 2.8.1-6 |
| 14:57.49 | yang | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.49 | yang | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.59 | abrotman | seems fine to me |
| 14:58.22 | abrotman | yang: you're going to have to try to install each of those packages manually until you find out which is really causing the issue |
| 14:58.27 | yang | its trying to install also gnome... |
| 14:58.35 | abrotman | yang: or maybe try to change your pinning |
| 14:58.45 | abrotman | or use aptitude to install it |
| 14:58.53 | yang | abrotman: damnit, that will mess my system up again |
| 14:59.12 | jelly-home | strikeforce: where is your webserver? |
| 14:59.16 | abrotman | yang: damn it .. if you don't like my answer .. figure it out yourself :) |
| 14:59.19 | yang | aptitude install mysql-query-browser also fails |
| 14:59.28 | abrotman | jelly-home: i already connected to it! |
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| 14:59.29 | Skaag | abrotman: that tip actually worked, thanks! :-) |
| 14:59.33 | abrotman | Skaag: enjoy |
| 14:59.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: ah, ok |
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| 14:59.44 | abrotman | jelly-home: i was joking .. |
| 14:59.51 | hardfalcon | yang: start aptitude |
| 15:00.06 | hardfalcon | an then select the packe you want to install |
| 15:00.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: I wasn't! |
| 15:00.16 | hardfalcon | in your case mysql-query-browser |
| 15:00.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: just because strikeforce didn't give us a URL .. why should that matter? |
| 15:00.45 | hardfalcon | then check if aptitude marks any of the dependencies with a red background color |
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| 15:00.54 | AnyFile | How can I install a newer version of OpenOffice? |
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| 15:01.00 | hardfalcon | if it does, you've found the package(s) causing your problem |
| 15:01.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: well everyone knows where h(is|er) webserver is! |
| 15:01.31 | yang | hardfalcon: there are like 15 of them marked red |
| 15:01.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: use google ? |
| 15:01.40 | abrotman | AnyFile: in sarge ? |
| 15:01.45 | AnyFile | And more genirically, how can I tell apt-get (and similar) that i have installed a program (or a library) manually (compiling it rom source or manually installing the binary)? |
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| 15:01.53 | AnyFile | yes, in sarge, abrotman |
| 15:02.15 | abrotman | AnyFile: use backports.org .. follow the instructions there .. unlike yang ... who now has a messed up system |
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| 15:02.38 | CharminTheMoose | how has yang messed up his/her system |
| 15:02.40 | hardfalcon | yang: well, so check again the dependencies for every of the red-marked packages |
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| 15:02.52 | yang | abrotman: haha, i reinstalled today, and used backports, and now i have a messed system |
| 15:03.04 | abrotman | yang: because you didn't do the pinning correctly |
| 15:03.11 | hardfalcon | and try select the missing packages manually for install |
| 15:03.34 | jelly-home | pinning ftl! |
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| 15:03.54 | jelly-home | for the lose? |
| 15:04.18 | hardfalcon | no, for the lost ones ;) |
| 15:05.05 | hardfalcon | wtf? |
| 15:05.08 | hardfalcon | well, im away... |
| 15:06.01 | abrotman | we still don't care |
| 15:06.19 | hardfalcon | i thought yang might care |
| 15:07.15 | abrotman | hardfalcon: he'll be working on his issue for a while :) |
| 15:07.19 | jzu_ | Hmm, should I disable PAM auth from SSHD? |
| 15:07.54 | abrotman | you tell us |
| 15:07.58 | jzu_ | and what about changing sshd keybits on-the-fly, I just edit sshd_config and do /etc/init.d/sshd reload and sshd regenerates keys? |
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| 15:08.16 | AnyFile | jzu_, this able you to login with password without enable plain text password |
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| 15:08.55 | jzu_ | AnyFile: I didn't quite get what you meant |
| 15:09.09 | yang | abrotman: i don't think these dependancies are resolvable |
| 15:09.09 | AnyFile | but I actully have not undestood well how PAM authentication works under sshd |
| 15:09.19 | abrotman | yang: i bet they are |
| 15:09.21 | mouse_ | abrotman: i've done with w3m |
| 15:09.23 | mouse_ | where is the paste? |
| 15:09.28 | abrotman | mouse_: it should have told you |
| 15:09.36 | yang | abrotman: And, i don't know why it requires GNOME plugins |
| 15:09.37 | AnyFile | usually to get authentication with plain password you have to put to yes the line |
| 15:09.47 | mouse_ | uhm |
| 15:09.53 | abrotman | yang: it's a gtk app ? |
| 15:10.04 | abrotman | mouse_: after you hit submit .. it should have a number the top |
| 15:10.14 | yang | abrotman: i would use it in a browser |
| 15:10.30 | abrotman | mouse_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4362 |
| 15:10.53 | mouse_ | yes |
| 15:10.54 | mouse_ | right |
| 15:10.54 | MmikeRMRM | is it possible that debian etch has problems with VIA vt82x596b controllers? I have installed debian etch on the machine, and during the boot proces i get tons of hda: task_in_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=39167615 sector=39102336 errors |
| 15:10.57 | AnyFile | PasswordAuthentication . If you enable PAM authentication, the authentication is passed to the PAM system, and the user is able to login even if PasswordAuthentication is set to no |
| 15:10.58 | abrotman | mouse_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. this time .. leave the BusID blank |
| 15:11.04 | mouse_ | ok |
| 15:11.05 | mouse_ | i try |
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| 15:11.12 | abrotman | MmikeRMRM: that's usually a dying drive |
| 15:11.13 | MmikeRMRM | but if I boot knoppix, or sysrescuecd or ubuntulive, there are no problems? |
| 15:11.25 | abrotman | mouse_: also .. |
| 15:11.28 | mouse_ | ye |
| 15:11.32 | abrotman | !tell mouse_ about mousedev |
| 15:11.37 | pmv | yo, this is prolly an old issue, but my pcmcia wifi card stopped working in later deb distros |
| 15:11.40 | yang | abrotman: It's probably not what I want anyways...I need a mozilla-controlled mysql thing |
| 15:11.46 | pmv | figured it had something to do with pcmcia-cs breaking |
| 15:11.49 | MmikeRMRM | abrotman, that's what I tought, but I just booted knoppix, mounted the drive to /mnt/hda1, and from /mnt/hda1 did: find . -type f -print 0 | xargs -0 md5sum |
| 15:11.50 | abrotman | yang: no you don't |
| 15:11.54 | pmv | or getting deprecated |
| 15:11.55 | MmikeRMRM | it run ok, no errors whatsoever |
| 15:11.58 | mouse_ | ok i try that too |
| 15:12.00 | pmv | anyone care ta help a poor soul> |
| 15:12.11 | abrotman | pmv: should work fine |
| 15:12.40 | pmv | abrotman: it's seeing my cardbus fine |
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| 15:12.49 | pmv | but I get these when I insert my orinoco card |
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| 15:12.53 | MmikeRMRM | I will install debian-sarge just to make sure... |
| 15:12.55 | abrotman | pmv: it might be loading the pcmcia driver after it starts networking |
| 15:12.55 | pmv | Nov 5 23:04:19 localhost kernel: pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0 |
| 15:12.55 | pmv | Nov 5 23:04:19 localhost kernel: cs: unable to map card memory! |
| 15:12.59 | jzu_ | AnyFile: Hmm, so is PAM good or not to have with sshd :) |
| 15:13.07 | yang | abrotman: I would like to make a CD collection database in 5 rows, that would be displayed over a broswer, but using mysql |
| 15:13.10 | abrotman | MmikeRMRM: whihc kernel ? |
| 15:13.16 | pmv | abrotman: I'm pretty sure I have the driver up already |
| 15:13.28 | pmv | traditionally, it works with the orinoco_cs module |
| 15:13.36 | abrotman | yang: so put them in the DB .. pick some language like PHP or Perl to write scripts to display it |
| 15:13.47 | abrotman | pmv: google any help ? |
| 15:13.48 | plb | anyone install mplayer in unstable and have it complain about missing default skin? |
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| 15:13.58 | yang | abrotman: you see here the problem starts, I cannot code in PHP or any other language |
| 15:14.04 | mouse_ | ok abrotman now it starts, but the mouse doesn't works and the resolution has problems... i look at config file |
| 15:14.07 | pmv | abrotman: believe me I'm trying .. |
| 15:14.13 | MmikeRMRM | abrotman, etch has 2.6.17-2, and knoppix booted with 2.6.8... i also tried sysrescueCD that has 2.6.16.10 |
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| 15:14.22 | AnyFile | I can not answer you completely, since I do not know well PAM. If you need to login with clear text password, then I think it is better to have PasswordAuthentication set to no and UsePAM to yes rather then have PasswordAuthentication set to yes |
| 15:14.43 | Phated | yang: Learn. |
| 15:14.45 | abrotman | mouse_: the mouse should work with the mousedev module and /dev/input/mice |
| 15:14.47 | pmv | plb: you really want to use gmplayer? |
| 15:14.49 | AnyFile | If you know PAM well you would be able to configure it to fine tune the accesss policy |
| 15:15.08 | abrotman | yang: it's pretty damn easy .. and better than managing a CD collection with straight SQL |
| 15:15.15 | mouse_ | it doesn't |
| 15:15.20 | mouse_ | only the touchpad works |
| 15:15.26 | pmv | abrotman: hmm.. I'm getting some clues on memory ranges to specify and some to exclude on config.opts |
| 15:15.36 | abrotman | that might be your hint |
| 15:15.42 | plb | pmv: well I don't need to but it would be nice if it worked as it's supposed to |
| 15:15.45 | AnyFile | Anyway if you do not want password access, just set no to both of them and use the public key authentication mechanism |
| 15:15.53 | abrotman | MmikeRMRM: you oculd try the 2.6.18 from sid ? |
| 15:16.05 | pmv | plb: never installed gmplayer myself, but I think the skins come with it |
| 15:16.16 | pmv | plb: if you want, try looking under mplayer.conf in /etc |
| 15:16.23 | abrotman | mouse_: does the usb mouse even show up in dmesg ? |
| 15:16.27 | pmv | plb: or ~/.mplayer* if that's what you use |
| 15:16.41 | pmv | plb: when exactly does it complain about the skins? |
| 15:16.41 | MmikeRMRM | abrotman, do you know any liveCD distro that has 2.6.18? |
| 15:16.55 | abrotman | hrm .. let me look |
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| 15:17.56 | abrotman | MmikeRMRM: maybe a gentoo CD? dunno |
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| 15:18.27 | mouse_ | yes |
| 15:18.32 | wols | MmikeRMRM: check distrowatch |
| 15:18.37 | danilom | how can i check what is my system?? cpu memory?? |
| 15:18.45 | MmikeRMRM | abrotman, am I concluding right? if a drive is faulty, shouldn't md5suming the very each file from the drive produce at least some errors? |
| 15:18.47 | pmv | danilom: top |
| 15:18.50 | blondie | right... where's there a spare parallel printer cable to go with this card |
| 15:18.52 | sint | hey, i broke my debian and after reinstalling it, its realy weird. i wanna install lighttpd again and it tells me it needs lsb-base (>= 3.0-3). but there is no version of it in apt! :( |
| 15:18.56 | plb | pmv: when trying to start it from the command line |
| 15:19.07 | MmikeRMRM | sarge comes with what kernel? 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 15:19.10 | plb | [skin] file ( /usr/share/mplayer/skins/default/skin ) not found. |
| 15:19.14 | pmv | plb: yeah, that's definitely a config prob, or your skins are missing. |
| 15:19.20 | danilom | pmv thanks... and wich glibc im using, imtryng to type glib an tab in console but not result |
| 15:19.29 | abrotman | MmikeRMRM: only if you have something to compare them to |
| 15:19.33 | abrotman | MmikeRMRM: both |
| 15:19.34 | pmv | plb: if you want, either correct that line in the config, or get that skin in the right place |
| 15:19.50 | pmv | plb: guess some pkg maintainer didn't check that ;-) |
| 15:19.53 | plb | pmv: I don't mind using it from the command line, it's just a bug that needs to be fixed. |
| 15:19.56 | sint | as far as i can remember, apt wasn't asking for lsb-base when i installed lighttpd once |
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| 15:20.06 | pmv | plb: lol. obsessive-compulsive eh? |
| 15:20.10 | sint | how to fix this? |
| 15:20.11 | plb | heh |
| 15:20.11 | MmikeRMRM | i have netinst of sarge, i'll try reinstalling, had no realy important data on the system... |
| 15:20.16 | MmikeRMRM | 10x all |
| 15:20.18 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:20.29 | pmv | danilom: you can also check using the dpkg utils |
| 15:20.31 | Yggdrasil | hello, can somone help me im trying to compile a kernel for a slower pent 233 computer on my amd 2.5ghz computer so that it doesnt take forever. is this possible ? |
| 15:20.49 | pmv | Yggdrasil: can't think of a reason why not |
| 15:20.57 | abrotman | !kp |
| 15:20.58 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 15:21.03 | Yggdrasil | ok cool |
| 15:21.08 | Yggdrasil | just wanted to make sure |
| 15:21.14 | plb | eh looks like saddam got the death sentence |
| 15:21.23 | pmv | plb: whoa. where? |
| 15:21.33 | abrotman | plb: #politics please |
| 15:21.34 | plb | pmv: right on the front of slashdot |
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| 15:21.41 | pmv | plb: not that that's such a surprise, but that's something ;-) |
| 15:21.53 | plb | abrotman: eww politics ;] |
| 15:21.58 | pmv | lol |
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| 15:22.46 | plb | is etch still on schedule for early december release? |
| 15:22.56 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 15:22.56 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00009.html |
| 15:23.37 | plb | ah...WIR |
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| 15:25.52 | nmee | When installing etch (with the goal of smoothly upgrading to 4.0 when it's ready), should I download and install beta 3, or a later snapshot? |
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| 15:25.59 | Yggdrasil | pmv i dont have to change the symlink on that to compile do i ? cuz the symlink is for the kernel thats on the box |
| 15:26.04 | ToxicSun | i just did "apt-get install gkrellm" and im wondering where it would be in my menu if its in my menu at all |
| 15:26.16 | pmv | Yggdrasil: depends on what you're doing .. |
| 15:26.37 | Yggdrasil | wel im gonna copy the .deb to the slow box that needs the new kernel. |
| 15:26.41 | Yggdrasil | and just compile the kernel. |
| 15:26.45 | pmv | Yggdrasil: iirc if you use apt-get and compile "the Debian way" it makes sure the right links are there |
| 15:27.00 | Yggdrasil | toxicsun just type gkrellm from terminal |
| 15:27.12 | ToxicSun | yeah, i know i can do that |
| 15:27.14 | Yggdrasil | im gonna do make kpkg i think. |
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| 15:27.29 | Yggdrasil | toxicsun it might not show up there i dont know .. you can always make a luancher also |
| 15:27.40 | ToxicSun | yeah |
| 15:27.44 | ToxicSun | seems the thing to do |
| 15:27.47 | pmv | gar ... pcmciautils ain't workin right... :-( |
| 15:27.48 | Yggdrasil | id think itd be under system ? |
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| 15:29.21 | plb | anyone use murrine gtk engine? |
| 15:29.23 | ToxicSun | what type of generic name would you give gkrellm |
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| 15:31.33 | devinx | ToxicSun: john smith |
| 15:32.57 | karsten_21 | http://akm.zergs.com/fourm/phpBB2/images/avatars/212114299642d871f13c793.jpg |
| 15:33.00 | karsten_21 | scary |
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| 15:33.34 | vin` | gremlin |
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| 15:37.33 | bowman | heya. I need an ftp daemon for a small hosting server; virtual users with chroot and independent homedir locations would be nice. any recommendation apart from vsftpd? |
| 15:37.59 | panthera | vsftpd *scnr |
| 15:38.00 | abrotman | vsftpd or proftpd |
| 15:38.00 | blondie | scp instead of ftp |
| 15:38.13 | Phil|Away | proftpd is nice |
| 15:38.55 | bowman | ok I'll look at proftpd , thanks :) |
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| 15:41.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: hey check this: http://www.cafepress.com/gnustepu |
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| 15:43.01 | abrotman | your mascot is an orca ? |
| 15:43.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah |
| 15:43.02 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:43.02 | MmikeRMRM | abrotman, I think I can confirm above... I booted ubuntu 6.10 liveCD with 2.6.17-10 kernel, and I'm receiving the very same errors... |
| 15:43.03 | abrotman | MmikeRMRM: couldn't find one with 2.6.18 ? |
| 15:43.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: your mascot is a creature that pops through ice holes .. snatches seals .. thrashes them on the ice .. and drags them under to eat them ? |
| 15:43.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah exactly that killer whale orca |
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| 15:43.42 | MmikeRMRM | abrotman yes, new knoppix, it's beeing downloaded, it'll take some time, so far debian-etch was the only one with 2.6.17 i had available, untill I found this ubuntulive CD.... |
| 15:43.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: the one that also eats pengaroos |
| 15:43.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: nice choice |
| 15:43.59 | abrotman | MmikeRMRM: ah ok |
| 15:44.12 | abrotman | MmikeRMRM: the gentoo liveCD seems to use 2.6.17 too |
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| 15:45.13 | MmikeRMRM | abrotman, 10x, I'll test them all |
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| 15:49.12 | AnyFile | What is the correct MTA (mailer transport agent) to hae if I only have to deliver mail locally? |
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| 15:49.33 | Phil2 | can use postfix for that AnyFile |
| 15:49.39 | Phil2 | just need to config it to deliver locally only |
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| 15:49.59 | Wyzard | exim can do that too |
| 15:50.03 | abrotman | exim is probably easiest |
| 15:50.05 | devinx | does beryl work in fluxbox? |
| 15:50.18 | AnyFile | thanks |
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| 15:51.03 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 15:52.11 | jeffrin | during kernel config what processor stuff should be selected for celeron M processor |
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| 15:56.12 | abrotman | devinx: isn't beryl an window manager ? |
| 15:56.20 | abrotman | jeffrin: why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 15:56.25 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: berly is a spinoff from compiz. And compiz cannot work alone too ... |
| 15:56.26 | abrotman | can beryl ? |
| 15:56.27 | Wyzard | jeffrin: "Pentium M" on the setting for processor type |
| 15:56.29 | jeffrin | abrotman : to learn and optimize |
| 15:56.29 | Wyzard | jeffrin: The rest of the settings don't care what kind of processor you have |
| 15:56.30 | jeffrin | Wyzard : let me try |
| 15:56.31 | pumpkin0 | jeffrin: and select all frequency-scaling stuff you may want. |
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| 15:56.33 | Braindead | zomg optimized -funroll-loops! |
| 15:56.33 | karsten_21 | fruit loops |
| 15:56.34 | jeffrin | oh |
| 15:56.35 | sint | hey, how to find out which version of a software is installed? |
| 15:56.44 | karsten_21 | rm -rf / |
| 15:56.44 | Wyzard | sint: dpkg -s <packagename> |
| 15:56.44 | karsten_21 | as root |
| 15:56.44 | devinx | i'm just testing out beryl in an xnest window and I can't tell if the problem is that icewm and beryl are clashing or that it's running on :1 |
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| 15:56.54 | Wyzard | devinx: I'm pretty sure beryl won't work in xnest |
| 15:56.57 | abrotman | karsten_21: STOP |
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| 15:57.05 | Wyzard | devinx: since it requires GLX and Composite and probably several other extensions that xnest doesn't provide |
| 15:57.10 | loca|host | how to navigate inside an ISO file ? (ultraiso ?) |
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| 15:57.11 | devinx | oic |
| 15:57.11 | h3sp4wn | devinx: Should work with xephyr |
| 15:57.12 | abrotman | mount it over loopback |
| 15:57.12 | sint | Wyzard: thanks, and how to find out whats the latest version in apt? |
| 15:57.25 | abrotman | apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 15:57.25 | h3sp4wn | devinx: (presuming you are using aiglx not xgl) |
| 15:57.29 | Wyzard | sint: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 15:57.35 | Braindead | !tell loca|host about mount iso |
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| 15:58.27 | xingu | hmm, that's been educational, rhythmbox's polling of my cdrom device seriously messes with cdparanoia's ability to schlurp |
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| 15:59.04 | Wyzard | xingu: Try quodlibet instead of rhythmbox :-) |
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| 16:00.06 | ToxicSun | hey wyzard whats up? thanks for your help yesterday. |
| 16:00.43 | Wyzard | You're welcome |
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| 16:04.13 | h3sp4wn | devinx: xnest has been depreciated in favour of xephyr for quite a while now |
| 16:04.47 | devinx | h3sp4wn: gotcha, thanks. apting it now ;) |
| 16:04.47 | abhinay | How to add extra repositories ? |
| 16:05.17 | Braindead | by editing /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 16:09.18 | ToxicSun | wyzard how many processes do you have running? |
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| 16:10.07 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: according to top... Tasks: 117 total, 3 running, 114 sleeping |
| 16:10.28 | ToxicSun | ok |
| 16:10.46 | ToxicSun | i was alarmed, 74 seems like a lot |
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| 16:11.06 | ToxicSun | im using gkrellm |
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| 16:11.28 | ToxicSun | what is top or where is top |
| 16:12.52 | Wyzard | Run it from a shell |
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| 16:13.28 | knoxyy | I've a error on my soundcard and I dont know fix it.. in syslog: Nov 5 12:57:59 localhost kernel: ATI IXP AC97 controller: probe of 0000:00:14.5 failed with error -13 |
| 16:29.44 | knoxyy | somebody help me? |
| 16:29.44 | Yggdrasil | does anyon here knwo how to do the thing. where grub will boot to a kernel once and then switch back to its original kernel ? |
| 16:29.45 | yoo | hi ! |
| 16:29.45 | Yggdrasil | for kernel testing |
| 16:29.46 | ToxicSun | root is running commands according to top |
| 16:29.46 | ToxicSun | is that ok |
| 16:29.47 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: The simplest way to do that is to press 'e' at grub's boot menu to edit the menu entry in-place |
| 16:29.47 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: The changes aren't saved |
| 16:29.47 | Wyzard | ToxicSun: Lots of system stuff runs as root |
| 16:29.47 | ToxicSun | ok |
| 16:29.47 | Yggdrasil | this is a console box, no keyboard no mouse just a n ethernet cable .. |
| 16:29.48 | Wyzard | hmm. dunno about that, then |
| 16:29.48 | h3sp4wn | Yggdrasil: You can use grub through the serial port |
| 16:29.48 | Yggdrasil | no monotr either |
| 16:29.48 | kriebz | Yggdrasil: remove "savedefault" from menu.lst |
| 16:29.48 | Yggdrasil | oh ? |
| 16:29.48 | Wyzard | whois kriebz |
| 16:29.49 | Wyzard | oops |
| 16:29.49 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 16:29.49 | Yggdrasil | hahaha |
| 16:29.49 | kriebz | it's me |
| 16:29.49 | Yggdrasil | busted |
| 16:29.49 | Wyzard | ok, just checking :-) |
| 16:29.49 | Yggdrasil | whats taters precious |
| 16:29.50 | h3sp4wn | Yggdrasil: You have to configure it to do so but it can |
| 16:29.50 | ToxicSun | does anyone here know about chemistry? ideal gas laws, in particular |
| 16:29.50 | Phil2 | yeh ToxicSun |
| 16:29.50 | ToxicSun | can i msg you? |
| 16:29.50 | ToxicSun | with a chem problem |
| 16:29.51 | Phil2 | can try |
| 16:29.51 | Yggdrasil | im jsut a bit worried cuz if the kernel fails i have to go on my roof and pull this computer down. and then cut open the case and hook in. |
| 16:29.51 | Phil2 | not done it for a while |
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| 16:29.52 | sint | how to prevent lighttpd from installing some php4 stuff while there is php5 on the system? |
| 16:29.52 | sint | is this realy needed? |
| 16:29.52 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: I think grub actually has a buit-in feature for a fallback, though I don't remember the details since it was a long time ago that I read about it |
| 16:29.53 | Yggdrasil | yea i cant remember i rad it once too |
| 16:29.53 | Yggdrasil | i could just have faith |
| 16:29.54 | Yggdrasil | ;) |
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| 16:29.54 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: googling for "grub fallback" turns up http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
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| 16:29.55 | mouse_ | abrotman: |
| 16:29.55 | mouse_ | now it seems to work |
| 16:29.55 | Yggdrasil | i could explain to you why i have a computer in a 5 gallon sealed bucket on my roof but you probobly wouldnt care |
| 16:29.56 | gsker | i'm in need of some debian installation help. |
| 16:29.56 | mouse_ | but KDE has only 640x480 |
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| 16:29.56 | Wyzard | kriebz: see that link I just posted -- apparently grub actually has a "savedefault fallback" command |
| 16:29.57 | mouse_ | even if in xorg.conf there's only 1024x768 |
| 16:29.57 | mouse_ | u maybe know why? |
| 16:29.57 | gsker | I've got a laptop with a net connection and no cdrom. I have a partition I can put an iso on and I know how to use lilo to boot from a vmlinuz and initrd that I download. |
| 16:29.57 | Yggdrasil | wyzard thats it, thanks man |
| 16:29.57 | gsker | The problem is that I can not figure out what to download nor where to put it. |
| 16:29.58 | pumpkin0 | gsker: netinstall. |
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| 16:29.58 | Wyzard | gsker: You can't boot from an iso file on your hard drive, if that's what you're asking |
| 16:29.58 | Wyzard | gsker: But if your laptop has USB, you can use a USB flash drive to install |
| 16:29.58 | Yggdrasil | gkser ive dont it a bunch |
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| 16:29.59 | mouse_ | anyone can answer to my question? |
| 16:29.59 | Yggdrasil | gkser does the laptop have linux on it ? or does it havea floppy ? |
| 16:29.59 | mouse_ | why KDE works only with 640x480 even if in xorg.conf there's only 1024x768? |
| 16:29.59 | gsker | yg: linux. No floppy |
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| 16:29.59 | Yggdrasil | gsker do you have grub on it ? |
| 16:30.00 | gsker | lilo right now. |
| 16:30.00 | Yggdrasil | hang on ill get you the links |
| 16:30.37 | Yggdrasil | its a bit tricky but ive done it about 6 or 7 times for just such a case |
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| 16:30.38 | Arsenick | I have a problem using the ossim repository.. someone already installed ossim with debian package on their repository ??? |
| 16:30.38 | pumpkin0 | mouse_: my guess: you are looking at the worng file. |
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| 16:30.39 | mouse_ | not possible |
| 16:30.39 | ToxicSun | no luck phil2? |
| 16:30.39 | MmikeRMRM | abrotman, still haven't tried, but from examining the source for the kernel module, via82cxxx.c, i see no changes |
| 16:30.39 | gsker | pumpkin8: The one word answer doesn't really help much -- I've just spent an hour hunting through instructions. |
| 16:30.39 | pumpkin0 | mouse_: upload the config and log to a paster-side. |
| 16:30.39 | Phil2 | with what ToxicSun? |
| 16:30.39 | Phil2 | did you PM me? |
| 16:30.39 | ToxicSun | oh |
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| 16:30.40 | ToxicSun | i tried |
| 16:30.40 | mouse_ | there's only one xorg.conf |
| 16:30.40 | rambo3 | apache2 :80 and php5 work but apache2-ssl is shows only download .php files as ? help |
| 16:30.40 | mouse_ | in /etc/X11/ |
| 16:30.40 | mouse_ | except for backups |
| 16:30.41 | pumpkin0 | gsker: the netinstall image is small and has everyting you need to install LAN/WLAN and launch an install. |
| 16:30.41 | valdyn | mouse_: read the log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:30.41 | abrotman | MmikeRMRM: doesn't have to be that file .. |
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| 16:30.41 | gsker | how do I boot it? |
| 16:30.42 | pumpkin0 | gsker: booting it from HD is the tricky part... |
| 16:30.42 | Yggdrasil | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386 |
| 16:30.42 | abrotman | mouse_: everything working ok ? |
| 16:30.42 | mouse_ | what should i look for? |
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| 16:30.42 | Yggdrasil | ther it is gsker |
| 16:30.42 | gsker | yg: okay.... |
| 16:30.42 | mouse_ | yes abrotman |
| 16:30.43 | gsker | been there. |
| 16:30.43 | valdyn | mouse_: resolutions and EE ( errors ) |
| 16:30.43 | Yggdrasil | let me find you the link for the . how to |
| 16:30.43 | gsker | i boot from the vmlinuz/initrd and it goes looking for an ISO on the hard drive. |
| 16:30.43 | gsker | Where is it looking? |
| 16:30.43 | gsker | What is it looking for? |
| 16:30.43 | mouse_ | only the resolution (and the touchpad, but is not important) |
| 16:30.43 | abrotman | MmikeRMRM: you might want to also ask #kernel |
| 16:30.44 | pumpkin0 | mouse_: can you past the log and config on a paster side ? |
| 16:30.44 | MmikeRMRM | abrotman, good hint, thnx! :) (didn't think of that one) |
| 16:30.44 | gsker | i've downloaded those, now that I think about it but didn't boot. |
| 16:30.45 | abrotman | mouse_: lspci | grep -i VGA .. what does it say ? |
| 16:30.45 | gsker | I'll be back. |
| 16:30.45 | Malagmyr | Using the default configuration, ntpdate never seems to update the drifts file... it's been running for 2 hours, and the drift file still says 0.000. How come? |
| 16:30.46 | mouse_ | VGA Compatible Controller: Inter Corporation bla/bla Integrated Graphic Device |
| 16:30.46 | Yggdrasil | gsker http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 16:30.46 | Phil2 | hmm tolecnal |
| 16:30.46 | Phil2 | beh |
| 16:30.46 | Phil2 | *hmmm ToxicSun |
| 16:30.46 | Phil2 | didn't get any PMs |
| 16:30.46 | tolecnal | awwww, here I thought I got some attention :P |
| 16:30.46 | Phil2 | hehe |
| 16:30.46 | Phil2 | sorry |
| 16:30.46 | abrotman | mouse_: the line was actually important |
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| 16:30.47 | mouse_ | 00:02.0 |
| 16:30.47 | abrotman | dude |
| 16:30.47 | abrotman | i meant the blahblah part |
| 16:30.47 | mouse_ | oh :P |
| 16:30.47 | ToxicSun | oh |
| 16:30.47 | ToxicSun | uh |
| 16:30.47 | ToxicSun | can you pm me so i can send it to you |
| 16:30.47 | ToxicSun | i dont want to flood here |
| 16:30.47 | mouse_ | Intel Corporation 82852/855GM |
| 16:30.47 | mouse_ | Integrated Graphic Device (rev02) |
| 16:30.47 | Phil2 | Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
| 16:30.47 | ToxicSun | right |
| 16:30.47 | ToxicSun | i registered |
| 16:30.47 | Phil2 | /join #qwerty123 |
| 16:30.47 | ToxicSun | i mean i had to log in |
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| 16:31.14 | mouse_ | abrotman? |
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| 16:31.15 | abrotman | mouse_: i just wanted to make sure you didn't have some wacky model that wasn't supported |
| 16:31.15 | abrotman | mouse_: what resolution are you trying to use ? |
| 16:31.15 | mouse_ | 1024x768 |
| 16:31.15 | pumpkin0 | mouse_: for the 3x and last time: upload your config and log to a paster side. |
| 16:31.15 | mouse_ | there's an error in xorg log that is |
| 16:31.15 | mouse_ | AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
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| 16:31.16 | abrotman | aiglx isn't in debian |
| 16:31.16 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: it is in testing. |
| 16:31.16 | abrotman | oh wait .. i was thinking xgl |
| 16:31.16 | mouse_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4366 |
| 16:31.16 | mouse_ | this is log with grep EE |
| 16:31.17 | abrotman | mouse_: dri isn't working for some reason |
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| 16:31.17 | mouse_ | :S |
| 16:31.18 | mouse_ | and? |
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| 16:31.18 | pumpkin0 | mouse_: and now the whole thing ... |
| 16:31.18 | pumpkin0 | mouse_: dri failing will not cause problems with the resolution. It will kill games and compiz, but nothing more. |
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| 16:31.19 | mouse_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4367 |
| 16:31.20 | mouse_ | this is the whole log |
| 16:31.20 | mouse_ | :S |
| 16:31.20 | loca|host | I want to install a free internet navigation computer, i would like to only get firefox and a cups configuration for a local printer in it, nothing else, what do you suggest me ? |
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| 16:31.21 | tziku | how can i open debian install menu ? |
| 16:31.21 | mouse_ | see? |
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| 16:31.21 | Phated | karsten_21: Oi, fuck you. |
| 16:31.21 | karsten_21 | oi! |
| 16:31.22 | abrotman | !ops karsten_21 |
| 16:31.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: karsten_21 |
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| 16:31.22 | Phated | !ops karsten_21 sending dcc crap |
| 16:31.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: phated complains about: karsten_21 sending dcc crap |
| 16:31.23 | mouse_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4367 |
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| 16:31.23 | abrotman | staff - Thank you |
| 16:31.23 | DoberMann | karrotx: wtf ? |
| 16:31.23 | DoberMann | oups |
| 16:31.23 | Phated | DoberMann: You prolly want karsten_21. |
| 16:31.33 | DoberMann | this one was fos karsten_21 :( |
| 16:31.33 | Phated | DoberMann: Who has, apparently, been klined or similar. |
| 16:31.34 | roxy_ | !multimedia |
| 16:31.39 | DoberMann | k |
| 16:31.42 | pumpkin0 | mouse_: and now the config ... |
| 16:31.53 | roxy_ | I am having trouble messaging dpkg is there a pb with her ? |
| 16:32.20 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:32.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:32.23 | roxy_ | I am trying to get around the public key pb with the multimedia repo |
| 16:32.25 | mouse_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4368 |
| 16:32.25 | knoxyy | I've a error on my soundcard and I dont know fix it.. in syslog: Nov 5 12:57:59 localhost kernel: ATI IXP AC97 controller: probe of 0000:00:14.5 failed with error -13 |
| 16:32.27 | knoxyy | somebody help me? |
| 16:32.44 | mouse_ | here it is pumpkin0 |
| 16:33.12 | pumpkin0 | mouse_: remove the lines "HorizSync28-33" and "VertRefresh43-72". |
| 16:33.19 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.40 | Phated | roxy_: Leaving out the space before / might help. |
| 16:34.45 | Phated | !tell roxy_ about public key |
| 16:34.55 | Phated | Bah, dpkg has lost the factoid. |
| 16:35.01 | roxy_ | Phated: I tried that one, it doesn't answer |
| 16:35.03 | Phated | Ah! |
| 16:35.11 | Phated | !tell roxy_ about 2006 key |
| 16:35.22 | roxy_ | Phated: that the one, thanks |
| 16:35.33 | Phated | roxy_: :) /topic would have helped you :) |
| 16:36.03 | mouse_ | ok pumpkin0 |
| 16:36.04 | mouse_ | i try |
| 16:36.24 | roxy_ | I will read the topic before posting. I will read the topic before posting .... |
| 16:37.17 | mouse_ | pumpkin0: i love u :P |
| 16:37.22 | mouse_ | now it works fine |
| 16:37.32 | mouse_ | there's only one thing that still doesn't work |
| 16:37.40 | mouse_ | clicking on touchpad it doesn't works |
| 16:37.40 | mouse_ | :P |
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| 16:38.37 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 16:38.38 | dpkg | well, synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
| 16:38.54 | pumpkin0 | mouse_: you know, it would have been faster if you just pasted the darn files first go ... |
| 16:39.00 | mouse_ | :P |
| 16:39.01 | mouse_ | ops |
| 16:39.34 | mouse_ | abrotman: it's already installed |
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| 16:39.40 | tarzeau | anyone going to FOSDEM 2007? |
| 16:39.47 | spahija | hi all ...added deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main in order to install mplayer but I am having issues with apt-get update coz public key is not available |
| 16:39.52 | abrotman | pumpkin0: he did |
| 16:40.07 | pmv | anyone here ever try doing ad-hoc wireless between linux and windows? |
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| 16:40.10 | abrotman | !marillat key |
| 16:40.10 | dpkg | For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
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| 16:40.52 | pmv | I've already configured the interfaces on both |
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| 16:40.58 | pmv | and I'm on the same ad-hoc network |
| 16:41.05 | pmv | but I can't seem to ping from one to the other |
| 16:41.05 | pmv | ... |
| 16:41.25 | pumpkin0 | mouse_: my guess on the touchpad: wrong device. |
| 16:41.33 | pmv | any ideas? |
| 16:41.53 | mouse_ | pumpkin0: if it is wrong device, it should just don't work at all |
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| 16:42.03 | mouse_ | instead it's all the clickin that doesn't work |
| 16:42.05 | mouse_ | or not? |
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| 16:42.43 | wunderbar | Hirvinen, can somebody explain, why the horde3 package in debian etch depends on php4 AND php5 packages? |
| 16:43.20 | pumpkin0 | mouse_: ops, sorry. i didnīt see the thing about not clicking. I still thing the touchpad-driver is not loaded... |
| 16:43.55 | abrotman | wunderbar: it doesn't |
| 16:44.25 | wunderbar | on my system it does |
| 16:44.27 | sista_jah | can I transfert an directory with scp ? what the option to use ? |
| 16:44.29 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 16:44.38 | pumpkin0 | mouse_: because "(EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad"" is deadly. I think you get touchpad-signals via the other mouse you load. Normal mice to not click on touch ... |
| 16:44.42 | abrotman | wunderbar: what makes you think it does ? |
| 16:44.43 | roxy_ | sista_jah: -r |
| 16:44.53 | wunderbar | but when I do a apt-get install horde3 i get |
| 16:45.06 | pumpkin0 | !tell wunderbar about paste |
| 16:45.10 | abrotman | !paster |
| 16:45.11 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:45.13 | sista_jah | roxy_: oups I do with -R .... thanks it's works better :) |
| 16:45.23 | wunderbar | horde3 libapache2-mod-php4 libzzip-0-12 php-db php-http php-log php-mail php-net-smtp php-net-socket php-pear |
| 16:45.23 | wunderbar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.37 | abrotman | okay? |
| 16:45.40 | wunderbar | these are the packages it wants to install |
| 16:45.52 | abrotman | !depends horde3 etch |
| 16:45.57 | dpkg | horde3: depends on libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10) | libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10) | libapache2-mod-php5 | libapache-mod-php5 | phpapi-20041030 | phpapi-20020918 | phpapi-20050606, php-log | php4-pear (<< 4:4.3.2+rc3-1) | php4-pear-log, php-pear | php4-pear | php5-pear, apache | apache2 | apache-ssl | httpd, php4-domxml | libapache2-mod-php5 | libapache-mod-php5 |
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| 16:46.20 | abrotman | wunderbar: apt-get install php4-cli horde3 |
| 16:46.28 | abrotman | wunderbar: wait .. which do you want .. 4 or 5 ? |
| 16:46.33 | pmv | never mind, got it :-) |
| 16:46.49 | wunderbar | 4 or 5 no problem |
| 16:47.07 | abrotman | pick one |
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| 16:47.26 | wunderbar | ok 4 |
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| 16:47.44 | abhinay | I downloaded swiftfox tar.gz & extracted it to ~/.swiftfox. If want to run swiftfox from Run or Terminal what i need to do ? the application path is ~/.swiftfox/firefox |
| 16:47.51 | abhinay | i did : sudo link /home/abhinay/.swiftfox/firefox /usr/lib/swiftfox , but it didn't work |
| 16:47.58 | abrotman | apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 horde3 php4-cli php4-pear php4-common |
| 16:48.25 | wunderbar | abrotman, if I do a apt-get install php4-cli horde3 it wants php5-common too! |
| 16:48.39 | roxy_ | abhinay: why did you put it there and not /usr/local or /opt ? |
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| 16:48.59 | roxy_ | abhinay: did you download the binary or the source ? |
| 16:49.08 | abrotman | wunderbar: install php4-cli php4-common |
| 16:49.13 | abhinay | roxy_, binary |
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| 16:49.18 | abrotman | wunderbar: satisfy the dependencies before you install it |
| 16:49.59 | roxy_ | abhinay: why a link to a lib ? |
| 16:50.20 | abhinay | roxy_, Still doesn't work bash: swiftfox: command not found |
| 16:50.22 | abrotman | that is a weird set of depends |
| 16:50.24 | roxy_ | abhinay: just ./path/to/executable |
| 16:50.45 | abhinay | roxy_, every time shall need to give a path then |
| 16:50.50 | valdyn | abhinay: why would you put this into /usr/lib/ ? |
| 16:51.04 | roxy_ | abhinay: no , read about PATH |
| 16:51.16 | abhinay | valdyn, i thought, the bash will look into the /usr/lib for commands |
| 16:51.31 | wunderbar | it seems that php-db depends on php5-common but I need it for horde |
| 16:51.33 | valdyn | abhinay: you thought wrong |
| 16:51.33 | roxy_ | abhinay: no |
| 16:51.57 | wunderbar | like I said there is something wrong with the dependencies |
| 16:51.59 | valdyn | abhinay: ~/bin is the proper place for an app stored within ~/ |
| 16:52.01 | roxy_ | abhinay: lib is for library. do "echo $PATH" |
| 16:52.44 | abhinay | roxy_, echo $PATH > /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games . |
| 16:52.47 | valdyn | abhinay: hidden directories are for configuration or dynamic data, .swiftfox for an app is against convention too |
| 16:52.50 | abrotman | wunderbar: eh ... php-pear depends on Depends: php5-cli | php4-cli, php5-common (>= 5.1.6-5) |
| 16:52.54 | abrotman | which is probably wrong |
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| 16:53.16 | wunderbar | see... |
| 16:53.28 | abrotman | but .. if you install php4-pear .. it shouldn't matter |
| 16:53.34 | abrotman | which package depends on php-db ? |
| 16:53.45 | wunderbar | horde |
| 16:53.46 | abrotman | it's not horde3 |
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| 16:53.53 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 16:53.57 | wunderbar | yeah i mean horde3 |
| 16:54.00 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 16:54.05 | abrotman | i'm looking at it |
| 16:54.20 | abrotman | it must be one of the packages it depends on .. it's not horde3 |
| 16:54.41 | abrotman | ah .. got it |
| 16:54.45 | roxy_ | abhinay: the PATH is where the shell will look for program. If you install in /usr/local and link the executable in /usr/local/bin then it will be ok |
| 16:54.46 | abrotman | php4-pear depends on php-db |
| 16:54.48 | wunderbar | if i want to install php4-pear it wants to install php5-common too! there are some really bad dependencies |
| 16:54.56 | abrotman | file a bug ? |
| 16:55.18 | abrotman | horde3 is installing php4-pear which depends on php-db which has the bad depends |
| 16:55.23 | valdyn | wunderbar: more likely you are using wrong repositories |
| 16:55.25 | abrotman | well .. what is probably bad depends |
| 16:55.29 | abrotman | valdyn: i have it on my box too |
| 16:55.40 | enouf | valdyn, et al : remember about 6 hrs ago a nickname called "karsten_21"? (ofcourse you do .. how could you forget that name) .. anyways; I awoke just now and noticed s/he tried to DCC send me a file called "startkeylogger" :-o ..with a status of "Got offer" - hehe .. so was this b0z0 banned while I slept? |
| 16:56.02 | abhinay | roxy_, What i need to install in /usr/local |
| 16:56.05 | valdyn | enouf: not sure, he was reported again a few minutes ago |
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| 16:56.09 | abrotman | wunderbar: dpkg -l php* .. what do you have ? |
| 16:56.25 | abrotman | enouf: klined |
| 16:56.42 | enouf | valdyn: reported? .. I don't see the nick in the list .. ahhh thanks abrotman .. ok .. as you were :-) |
| 16:56.49 | wunderbar | thats pretty messed up right now cause I tried some things |
| 16:56.55 | abrotman | enouf: klined |
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| 16:57.41 | roxy_ | abhinay: usually, you can installed new prog not installed with aptitude in /usr/local. Atm, you should try to only used aptitude deliverable application. |
| 16:57.49 | valdyn | abrotman: on sid? |
| 16:57.54 | abrotman | valdyn: etch |
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| 16:57.55 | enouf | abrotman: I see .. excellent ! ^^^^ ... now no need for me to do the reporting :-) |
| 16:57.56 | wunderbar | but it doesnt matter cause the problem with the php-db remains anyway |
| 16:58.03 | abrotman | wunderbar: file a bug |
| 16:58.12 | wunderbar | k |
| 16:58.12 | valdyn | abrotman: so installing php-db should give weird stuff? |
| 16:58.19 | abrotman | !depends php-db etch |
| 16:58.24 | dpkg | php-db: depends on php-pear |
| 16:58.31 | abrotman | !depends php-pear etch |
| 16:58.37 | dpkg | php-pear: depends on php5-cli | php4-cli, php5-common (>= 5.1.6-5) |
| 16:58.40 | valdyn | abrotman: looks perfectly fine to me |
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| 16:58.49 | wunderbar | ok its php-pear |
| 16:58.51 | abrotman | valdyn: probably should be php4-common | php5-common |
| 16:59.00 | valdyn | abrotman: maybe thats just apt-get or aptitude puking |
| 16:59.13 | abrotman | no .. it's going to install php5-common no matter what |
| 16:59.28 | valdyn | abrotman: oh, | php4-common, maybe |
| 16:59.32 | abrotman | i just said that! |
| 16:59.41 | valdyn | abrotman: aye |
| 16:59.43 | Malagmyr | gah. I can't get ntp-server working. ntpq -p displays an offset of 7-9 seconds to most of the servers, yet it doesn't set the system time! |
| 16:59.48 | abrotman | !coffee valdyn |
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| 17:00.19 | abrotman | wunderbar: i'd file a bug on php-pear |
| 17:00.28 | valdyn | *gulp* |
| 17:00.36 | wunderbar | not on debian? |
| 17:00.58 | enouf | Phated : scrollback == nice :-) .. [11:20:30] <Phated> !ops karsten_21 sending dcc crap |
| 17:00.58 | enouf | [11:20:31] Signoff: karsten_21 (K-lined) |
| 17:00.59 | roxy_ | :-) |
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| 17:01.17 | Phated | enouf: Heh, not me anyway. abrotman complained too. |
| 17:01.17 | abrotman | wunderbar: use reportbug to file a bug on the php-pear package in debian |
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| 17:01.28 | Phated | Prolly tried to dcc a staffer. |
| 17:01.37 | abrotman | probably just a moron :) |
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| 17:02.07 | shintonduchi | good day guys, may i ask a question please.. do you know any browser support SRV lookup? |
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| 17:02.45 | Phated | abrotman: Heh. |
| 17:03.05 | abrotman | bonus points if you know what SRV is .. besides Stevie Ray Vaughan |
| 17:03.10 | russo | http://blog.djdmitry.com/ :) |
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| 17:03.56 | pipeline | shintonduchi: Uh, no. Use dig. |
| 17:04.13 | pipeline | shintonduchi: Not that I have ever in my life seen a DNS server with SRV records :P |
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| 17:04.46 | abrotman | pipeline: windows crap |
| 17:05.05 | roxy_ | srv has to do with sip , isn't it ? |
| 17:05.09 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV_record |
| 17:05.50 | shintonduchi | pipeline: why is it that most people i ask about this curse this to death :) |
| 17:06.09 | abrotman | maybe ask #web |
| 17:06.48 | gsker | yggdrasil and Wyzard: thanks for the help. I'm closer. It complains about not finding the modules now, but it does get the the net install. I'm going to try again. |
| 17:06.52 | shintonduchi | abortman: well i'll ask google first a little bit more |
| 17:06.59 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:07.17 | Yggdrasil | gsker |
| 17:07.25 | gsker | Yggdrasil: hyo |
| 17:07.32 | Yggdrasil | did you get the . |
| 17:07.38 | Yggdrasil | netboot going ? |
| 17:07.44 | Yggdrasil | or the hdinstall |
| 17:07.56 | Yggdrasil | i think alot of the modules might be located in the ramdisk inage |
| 17:08.11 | gsker | It booted and found the net. I, of course lost your exact URL (you don't still have it in your buffer there would you?) |
| 17:08.27 | Yggdrasil | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 17:08.29 | Yggdrasil | ahah i did |
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| 17:09.35 | gsker | ah, but that's not the answer to WHICH initrd and kernel. |
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| 17:10.33 | gsker | I got the ones here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
| 17:10.33 | danilom | in debian unstable the boot loader is lilo?? |
| 17:10.47 | abrotman | it's what you pick |
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| 17:11.03 | Yggdrasil | sker |
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| 17:11.12 | yang | Does anyone know if there is this "zend optimizer" in debian sources? It is use to make apache faster or something... |
| 17:11.19 | abrotman | it's non-free |
| 17:11.27 | gsker | yggdrasil: yo |
| 17:11.33 | Wyzard | It's for PHP, not Apache in general |
| 17:11.39 | yang | yes php |
| 17:11.40 | Yggdrasil | hango n |
| 17:11.45 | pipeline | shintonduchi: Because it's stupid. Use dig. |
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| 17:11.52 | gsker | yggdrasil: ok.... |
| 17:12.24 | yang | but what is the package name...i can see php4-apd |
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| 17:12.35 | Yggdrasil | i htink initrd.gz is your ramdisk image and linux is the kernel |
| 17:12.36 | yang | seems that it is only for php4 not 5 on sarge |
| 17:13.05 | gsker | yggdrasil. Yup. I'll try those.... bb |
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| 17:14.29 | gsker | yggdrasil: fired up another machine so I don't hve to keep disconnecting |
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| 17:16.01 | yang | abrotman: it's in non-free sources? |
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| 17:19.37 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:19.38 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:19.39 | abrotman | yang: no .. afaik .. you have to buy it |
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| 17:20.58 | Sardu | hello |
| 17:21.22 | wols | yang: it's called APC iirc |
| 17:21.23 | abrotman | !zend |
| 17:21.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, zend is the PHP4 engine, dual-licensed under the PHP-license and the MPL (i think) |
| 17:21.28 | weedar | I'm going to setup a machine to record videos from 3 webcams, all stored under /home (separate partition), I won't be needing X, just debian base and apache. Can I get away with using 900mb for / ? |
| 17:21.35 | wols | but i don't think it's in debian even if it's free. dunno where to find it |
| 17:21.45 | wols | and evreything with Zend is of course payware |
| 17:22.04 | wols | weedar: you can get away with ~100-200MB |
| 17:22.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: i feel sick |
| 17:22.20 | wols | for debian. rest can be your videos |
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| 17:22.44 | tarzeau | help, my stomach hurts |
| 17:22.54 | wols | !fix tarzeau |
| 17:22.57 | weedar | great wols, just what I was hoping for :) |
| 17:23.02 | wols | there, it's all good now |
| 17:23.09 | Sardu | I have put a shellscript in /etc/init.d with executable permission. Hava I am to do anything to that script starts in every restart of the computer? |
| 17:23.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: drink milk |
| 17:23.28 | scorpiion | lol #debian [666] |
| 17:23.28 | wols | !syavinit scorpiion |
| 17:23.31 | Sardu | ./etc/rc.locale is used to call that script? |
| 17:23.32 | wols | !syavinit Sardu |
| 17:23.36 | abrotman | !lol |
| 17:23.36 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:23.44 | abrotman | !sysvinit |
| 17:23.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, sysvinit is zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
| 17:23.46 | wols | Sardu: mp |
| 17:23.48 | wols | no |
| 17:23.58 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 17:23.59 | dpkg | i guess rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 17:24.56 | Sardu | thanks |
| 17:25.06 | tarzeau | !chocolate |
| 17:25.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, chocolate is the food of the gods |
| 17:25.13 | adamt | !milk |
| 17:25.30 | tarzeau | dpkg chocolate is also if you eat 200 g at once it'll make you feel sick |
| 17:25.30 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 17:25.45 | abrotman | tard |
| 17:26.09 | Phated | Loser, you can't stomach 200g? |
| 17:26.16 | weedar | !swap |
| 17:26.16 | dpkg | from memory, swap is still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 17:26.23 | tarzeau | Phated: i'm light weight |
| 17:26.35 | tarzeau | Phated: this is special chocolate with extra milk, honey and nuts |
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| 17:26.58 | wols | tarzeau: you live in .ch and can't stomach a piddly 200g chocolate? |
| 17:27.02 | Phated | Ew, nuts in chocolate. |
| 17:27.03 | wols | that's outrageous! |
| 17:27.15 | adamt | mmmm |
| 17:27.23 | adamt | doughnuts.. |
| 17:27.38 | Phated | tarzeau: No, you're -a- lightweight :) |
| 17:27.40 | tarzeau | wols: you know in europe, the people don't look like they do in the us |
| 17:28.03 | abrotman | wols: do you know anything about that ? |
| 17:28.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: what do they look like anyways? |
| 17:29.18 | wols | abrotman: about what? |
| 17:29.26 | abrotman | wols: what people look like in europe |
| 17:29.31 | wols | I do know what chocolate tarzeau means. |
| 17:29.38 | Phated | Like tarzeau, apparently :) |
| 17:29.44 | wols | I'm a german, middle of europe is were i live, so I hope so |
| 17:29.57 | bowman | wols: moin :) |
| 17:30.10 | wols | and a single toblerone is just a decent sized snack. and I weight 64-70kg |
| 17:30.29 | wols | toblerone being the chocolate distributed in 200g sizes with honey milk and nuts |
| 17:30.31 | ToxicSun | i was sent to #overflow when i tried to join #linux |
| 17:30.32 | ToxicSun | grrrr |
| 17:30.33 | wols | tho it's almods |
| 17:30.33 | Phated | Toblerone is excellent, and I can handle 200g of it. |
| 17:30.35 | ToxicSun | whats that mean |
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| 17:31.02 | Phated | wols: Mind, if it's the dark toblerone, I'm at best 150g of it - the light toblerone is far yummier. |
| 17:31.05 | bowman | ToxicSungo to ##linux |
| 17:31.22 | bowman | ToxicSun: go to ##linux :) |
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| 17:31.26 | wols | he said "Milk". that means light toblerone imho |
| 17:31.29 | Phated | tarzeau: It's not -that- special, it comes all the way to Singapore ;) |
| 17:31.40 | adamt | wols: germany isn't in the middle of europe.. |
| 17:31.51 | Phated | wols: It could be, but doesn't even the milk chocolate toblerone with honey and milk nougat? |
| 17:31.52 | wols | adamt: close enough :) |
| 17:31.58 | Phated | wols: There are three shades, no? :) |
| 17:32.00 | ToxicSun | bowman thats the same as #linux bowman |
| 17:32.02 | ToxicSun | ? |
| 17:32.24 | adamt | wols: Germany is placed in the western part, very much in the west. Remember the size of Russia :-) |
| 17:32.50 | bowman | ToxicSun: pretty much. no idea what #linux is ;) |
| 17:32.52 | wols | Phated: http://www.toblerone.ch/your_favourite/assortment_classics-de.html yes |
| 17:33.19 | Phated | wols: Have to say, they're all pretty excellent anyway. |
| 17:33.52 | gsker | yggdrasil: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s01.html#boot-initrd says I can put an iso at the root of the filesystem and the hd install will find it but it never does. Why is that? |
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| 17:34.48 | roxy_ | tarzeau: what is the market for java dev in Geneva atm ? (if you have any idea) |
| 17:35.02 | wols | Phated: the beige one > all |
| 17:35.05 | tarzeau | roxy_: i really have no idea, especially not so on java |
| 17:35.12 | gsker | you know, I've never succeeded in installing debian on anything. Must be something wrong with me. I've tried maybe 3 times. Each time for several days. |
| 17:35.20 | Phated | wols: White chocolate toblerone == win, yes. |
| 17:35.22 | tarzeau | roxy_: i'm about 3 train hours east of geneva |
| 17:35.37 | wols | not white. beige |
| 17:35.43 | tarzeau | roxy_: you're in france? |
| 17:35.44 | wols | the standard milk chocolate |
| 17:35.52 | roxy_ | tarzeau: I presume it is very long for switzerland |
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| 17:35.53 | Phated | wols: Oh, no, I prefer the white over the milk. |
| 17:35.55 | abrotman | you're all sick .. |
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| 17:36.04 | roxy_ | tarzeau: yes, but the gf got an offer in geneva |
| 17:36.13 | wols | cause we like chocolate? that's sick? |
| 17:36.33 | wols | someone call the nice people in the white uniforms with the happy-syringes. abrotman really needs them |
| 17:36.40 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 17:38.19 | roxy_ | half-baked chocolate cookie from starbucks |
| 17:38.43 | wols | all those beer drinkers in here are sick. No one ever said you need to "acquire" the taste of chocolate: everyone loves it. Beer, and sane person spits out immediately |
| 17:38.58 | wols | *any sane |
| 17:39.09 | tarzeau | roxy_: i don't like starbucks |
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| 17:39.29 | roxy_ | tarzeau: it is non smoker and open on sunday. |
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| 17:39.54 | roxy_ | tarzeau: the non smoker part being important in Paris. |
| 17:39.58 | tarzeau | roxy_: many places are open on sunday. many places are non smoker -- besides i don't care if others smoke (when i'm not eating) |
| 17:40.16 | tarzeau | roxy_: we've got non smoker trains in switzerland |
| 17:40.21 | abrotman | wols: actually .. i don't like it |
| 17:40.29 | abrotman | wols: i abhor dark chocolate |
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| 17:41.26 | tarzeau | roxy_: nice little shop in zurich, http://www.les-halles.ch/pages/shop.html |
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| 17:41.51 | dendrite | Hmm. My web and doc searching is not coming up too well. I'm looking for a way to disable DCC in irssi. Anyone have a pointer? |
| 17:41.57 | Phated | <shrug> I like beer and chocolate. |
| 17:42.27 | adamt | mmm.... chocolate beer.... |
| 17:42.43 | wols | dendrite: /set dcc |
| 17:42.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: did i tell you i can travel abroad now, everywhere? |
| 17:42.59 | wols | or if that's not enough, you need to compile it. should be a configure option. ask #irssi |
| 17:42.59 | tarzeau | nobody in here goes to FOSDEM 2007? |
| 17:43.07 | dendrite | wols: Thanks, will look in that direction. |
| 17:43.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: so you're going to go to turkey ? |
| 17:43.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: nah, i was able to go there forever |
| 17:43.54 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 17:45.27 | dendrite | wols: So "dcc_autoget = OFF" means it won't accept dcc, I guess, so aside from some buffer overrun approach, I should be OK. Yes? |
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| 17:45.40 | abrotman | there's a #irssi :) |
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| 17:45.52 | olskolirc | i have an emergency |
| 17:46.03 | dendrite | abrotman: Thanks, I guess I had that coming. |
| 17:46.07 | olskolirc | how do i restore my boot loader on debian |
| 17:46.25 | tarzeau | olskolirc: depends how you broke it |
| 17:46.39 | olskolirc | i have a dual boot and i restored windblows |
| 17:46.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: based on his hostmask .. we can guess :) |
| 17:46.46 | olskolirc | not it just boots into windows |
| 17:46.59 | olskolirc | i want debian to be my boot loader for my dual boot |
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| 17:47.16 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 17:47.16 | dpkg | hmm... grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 17:47.27 | olskolirc | i don't have a floppy drive |
| 17:47.29 | olskolirc | i have the cd |
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| 17:48.22 | olskolirc | can i put the cd in and type something? |
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| 17:50.13 | kriebz | olskolirc: boot the debian installer and go through the first few steps until you can get a console one the second virtual terminal |
| 17:50.26 | kriebz | then make a mountpoint for your old / |
| 17:50.31 | tarzeau | weee 10 new levels for www.ri-li.org |
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| 17:50.52 | kriebz | then mount it, chroot to it, and run grub-install --no-floppy /dev/whatever |
| 17:51.22 | DevilChaos | windows always first i learnt that the hard way too |
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| 17:51.25 | tarzeau | and wow, it's even in debian already |
| 17:51.32 | olskolirc | oh wow :-( |
| 17:51.46 | olskolirc | i don't understand the /dev part |
| 17:51.56 | kriebz | whatever disk is your boot disk |
| 17:51.58 | kriebz | /dev/hda for IDE |
| 17:52.05 | kriebz | /dev/sda for SATA |
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| 17:52.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: check this: http://joey101.net/projects/snowballz/ |
| 17:52.25 | DevilChaos | bitchx keeps having a note undernieth what im saying after i post it that connot send to channel whats that about? |
| 17:52.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: if this is about snowballing .. you're in deep trouble |
| 17:52.33 | abrotman | DevilChaos: which channel ? |
| 17:52.41 | DevilChaos | this one |
| 17:52.50 | abrotman | DevilChaos: use irssi |
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| 17:53.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: does it work ? |
| 17:53.02 | DevilChaos | thats why i signed off and came back a few times |
| 17:53.06 | olskolirc | ok |
| 17:53.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: why so? yes it is... still downloading (if it wasn't python, i'd make packages) |
| 17:53.13 | DevilChaos | its not doing it now |
| 17:53.16 | giupy | i have installed , in debian, new precompiled kernel 2.6.18, and i have noticed that there is a driver/module for the softmac ieee80211, do you think i can use it for an isl3886 instead of the prism54.org driver that i'm using now ? |
| 17:53.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm also testing "Falling" |
| 17:53.21 | DevilChaos | though |
| 17:53.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: bastard |
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| 17:53.36 | tarzeau | looks cool http://joey101.net/media/project_screenshots/project-image-3.png |
| 17:54.03 | DevilChaos | ok ill post what i wanted to say again forgive me if it did get posted |
| 17:54.08 | odla | tarzeau: what is the point of the game? |
| 17:54.23 | tarzeau | odla: 90%... |
| 17:54.30 | tarzeau | odla: hit other penguins with snowballs? |
| 17:54.37 | odla | ha ha |
| 17:54.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: falling built, it's some 3d shit, looks hot! |
| 17:54.55 | Eclipser | what game is that? |
| 17:55.01 | abrotman | ok |
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| 17:55.44 | DevilChaos | abrotman: i figured out that i need to compile a module into my kernel flgrx using module-assistant did this then went on to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i use the |
| 17:55.48 | DevilChaos | fuck |
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| 17:56.06 | abrotman | use the fuck ? |
| 17:56.23 | tarzeau | http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jnelson/files/downloads/Falling.tar.gz |
| 17:56.27 | tarzeau | it's not THAT great |
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| 17:56.36 | giupy | anyone knows if hp visualize fx-6 3d graphic controller is supported under xorg ? |
| 17:56.39 | tarzeau | graphics is done with blender |
| 17:56.45 | Skiver | hey what's the difference between irc.freenode.net and irc.debian.org ??? |
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| 17:57.02 | abrotman | Skiver: they're not the same network |
| 17:57.07 | DevilChaos | i pick flgrx as the driver and use glx and dri support then type /etc/init.d/X11-common restart and then gdm |
| 17:57.17 | gravity | Skiver: irc.debian.org points to oftc. irc.freenode.net is another network, that irc.debian.org used to point to |
| 17:57.21 | weedar | upgrading fro sarge to etch, why does it want to install LILO? |
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| 17:57.25 | olskolirc | bbl wish me luck |
| 17:57.36 | abrotman | !tell Skiver about oftc move |
| 17:57.38 | DevilChaos | then my screen goes black i must be on the right track but missing something? |
| 17:57.58 | DevilChaos | #tell me too please? |
| 17:58.02 | Skiver | abrotman: but I still see some familiar nicks there, are those same person as here ? |
| 17:58.12 | DevilChaos | oftc move? |
| 17:58.45 | Skiver | oh..ops and bots are crossed. |
| 17:58.48 | DevilChaos | oh i read the post earlier |
| 17:59.07 | DevilChaos | any suggestions? |
| 18:00.26 | Skiver | DevilChaos, on what ? |
| 18:00.27 | DevilChaos | weedar: just uncheck it to say you dont want it in dselect or what ever you use |
| 18:00.29 | odla | gnustep |
| 18:00.34 | odla | !gnustep |
| 18:00.34 | dpkg | [gnustep] a cross-platform development environment based on OpenStep., or going to be really awesome, if it ever gets finished, or http://www.gnustep.org/, or http://www.lefinnois.net/step-art/, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/ (tarzeau the fanboy) |
| 18:00.59 | DevilChaos | Skiver: how do you mean on what? |
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| 18:01.10 | tarzeau | odla: wanna try the latest GNUSTEP iso ? |
| 18:01.27 | DevilChaos | abrotman: i figured out that i need to compile a module into my kernel flgrx using module-assistant did this then went on to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i use the |
| 18:01.34 | tarzeau | odla: look here: http://www.cafepress.com/GNUSTEPU and http://gnu.ethz.ch/gnustep/GNUSTEP-i486-0.9.9.3.iso |
| 18:01.37 | DevilChaos | then my screen goes black i must be on the right track but missing something? |
| 18:01.45 | Skiver | DevilChaos, you asked for suggestions. |
| 18:01.46 | Malagmyr | How can I see what flags were passed to my kernel at boot time? like acpi=off and stuff? |
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| 18:02.00 | tarzeau | Malagmyr: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 18:02.09 | ceztko | hi! |
| 18:02.15 | DevilChaos | yeah the thing i asked abrotman |
| 18:02.31 | odla | tarzeau: is the iso a livecd? |
| 18:02.48 | weedar | DevilChaos: okay, thanks :) |
| 18:02.58 | tarzeau | odla: yes |
| 18:03.10 | tarzeau | odla: it's going to be the 1.0 on 10 nov 2006 at livecd.gnustep.org |
| 18:03.32 | Rug | I've got a wierd problem. I am out of drive space on root, but I can't find what is using up all the space. /home is on it's own partition so that can't be it. |
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| 18:04.34 | bowman | can someone tell me how the proftpd mysql module works? are the uid/gid values from the sql table mapped to real users somehow? |
| 18:04.45 | Skiver | Rug : apt cache maybe. |
| 18:04.47 | odla | tarzeau: how does gnustep differ from wm? |
| 18:04.49 | odla | wmaker? |
| 18:05.05 | tarzeau | odla: gnustep is not a windowmanager. one uses wmaker and gnustep together |
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| 18:05.18 | tarzeau | odla: wmaker to manage the windows, gnustep to build (graphical) applications |
| 18:05.25 | tziku | how can i open debian install menu ? |
| 18:05.29 | Skiver | DevilChaos, the screen went blank during dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 18:05.31 | tarzeau | odla: the live cd gives you one great product |
| 18:05.32 | Rug | Skiver: apt-get clear ??? that doesn't do it |
| 18:05.47 | DevilChaos | no |
| 18:05.47 | Skiver | Rug, apt-get clean perhaps. |
| 18:06.15 | Rug | Skiver: no, that doesn't change the free space either. |
| 18:06.16 | DevilChaos | once i did /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 18:06.50 | DevilChaos | no |
| 18:06.55 | Coke | I'm trying to run a game installer that needs wine to extract data from cab-files, but it fails claiming it can't find the DOS drive for the current working directory. Current working directory seems to be a temporary directory in /tmp created by the installer. How can I make wine read from that temporary directory if all drives must be mapped beforehand? |
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| 18:07.45 | DevilChaos | first error was aiglx screen 0 does is not capable |
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| 18:08.07 | peterS | Coke: well, you don't _need_ to use wine to extract data from cab files. there is the 'cabextract' package. |
| 18:08.08 | DevilChaos | is not capable |
| 18:08.09 | smagy2 | hello folks, does some one know a software like cpuburn that is updated to deal with latest models of INTEL and AMD ? |
| 18:08.11 | wakejagr | Rug: you could use find / -xdev -size +10m to see if there are any large files on that partition |
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| 18:08.26 | Rug | wakejagr: thanks I'll give that a try |
| 18:08.27 | ceztko | all: can you help me in using ssmtp (send-only sendmail replacement)? It's already configured and it works using mailx, but using the sintax "/usr/sbin/sendmail -i -f erroraddress myaddr@gmail.com" + double CTRL+D it doesn't...why? am i missing some parameters? |
| 18:08.41 | DevilChaos | bbl need my tea speak later SKiver k :) |
| 18:08.41 | Rug | wakejagr: won't that find all my stuff in /home too though? |
| 18:09.05 | wakejagr | Rug: xdev tells find not to decend to dirs on other partitions |
| 18:09.06 | Felka | hello, I want to install a graphics driver but I'm worried it will mess up my system, what files should I backup so I can recover if necessary? |
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| 18:09.18 | tarzeau | Felka: ati or nvidia? |
| 18:09.24 | Felka | nvidia |
| 18:09.39 | tarzeau | Felka: sid? |
| 18:09.39 | wakejagr | Rug: the +10m should be +10M |
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| 18:09.47 | Felka | no, sarge |
| 18:09.51 | odla | tarzeau: so is gnustep, like a desktop environment? |
| 18:09.55 | Rug | wakejagr: I still get an error |
| 18:10.00 | tarzeau | odla: yes, it can be one |
| 18:10.01 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:10.01 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 18:10.10 | tarzeau | odla: but i see it more as a development environment |
| 18:10.46 | tarzeau | odla: remember, all the great stuff (killer apps) were created on it: WorldWideWeb, Doom, Qauke, DTP software microsoft copied all from |
| 18:11.24 | wakejagr | Rug: hmmm. some versions seem to let you use m or M. try +10000k |
| 18:11.27 | roxy_ | tarzeau: what does cross platform mean in this context ? plan9, hurd window ... |
| 18:11.59 | Rug | wakejagr: yeah got it. BUT it's searching through everything on /mnt |
| 18:12.09 | odla | brb |
| 18:12.10 | tarzeau | roxy_: windows, mac os x, unix (bsd, linux, commercial ones) |
| 18:12.28 | tarzeau | roxy_: and also OPENSTEP, but that's not sold anymore |
| 18:12.41 | Rug | wakejagr: never mind. found my problem |
| 18:12.48 | tarzeau | roxy_: it's certainly not impossible to create new graphic drawing backends for gnustep (for plan9, hurd etc) |
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| 18:12.56 | wakejagr | Rug: what was it? |
| 18:12.57 | tarzeau | roxy_: actually it runs on hurd already, as well as gnu/kfreebsd |
| 18:12.58 | Rug | wakejagr: thanks for your help |
| 18:13.05 | wakejagr | Rug: np |
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| 18:13.24 | weedar | Does anyone know if there is a shell variable that stores the current time? I want to create files with names based on what time they were created |
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| 18:13.36 | tarzeau | weedar: `date` ? |
| 18:13.55 | abrotman | Skiver: yes |
| 18:14.09 | john_doe | how can I check what files belong to a certain package? |
| 18:14.12 | Rug | wakejagr: well, it turns out that I used to have /mnt/sdb actually mounted, but it got filled without the actual drive being mounted. |
| 18:14.14 | roxy_ | tarzeau: nice |
| 18:14.22 | tarzeau | john_doe: dpkg -S the/file |
| 18:14.35 | wakejagr | Rug: ahhh, yeah. I did that once too |
| 18:15.03 | Rug | the funny thing is: it was a debian mirror that I experimented with once. |
| 18:15.50 | Skiver | abrotman, ? |
| 18:16.00 | john_doe | tarzeau: no, the other way around. I want to know what file belongs to "package" |
| 18:16.29 | tarzeau | john_doe: dpkg -L package ? |
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| 18:16.56 | john_doe | tarzeau: thanks! |
| 18:16.58 | weedar | tarzeau: excellent! Perhaps you also know if it possible to just get the time? (for example 1915) - also I guess special characters like ':' are trouble in filenames |
| 18:17.07 | pipeline | weedar: err, no. |
| 18:17.11 | tarzeau | weedar: man date :) |
| 18:17.23 | pipeline | weedar: The *only* forbidden filename characters are ascii null (\0) and forward slash. |
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| 18:18.06 | tarzeau | pipeline: / works on mac os |
| 18:18.09 | weedar | pipeline: these files are to be available through a web-browser, they will be an issue there then? |
| 18:18.21 | abrotman | Skiver: the same people |
| 18:18.22 | weedar | tarzeau: will do, thanks ;) |
| 18:18.25 | Felka | I tried the nvidia one-liner but the build of nvidia-kernel-source failed "sorry, but 4 is the highest compatibility level of debhelper currently supported" |
| 18:18.33 | tarzeau | Felka: wanna use my script? |
| 18:18.41 | pipeline | weedar: Web browsers have to support crazy filenames. |
| 18:18.44 | pipeline | tarzeau: This channel is not #macos. |
| 18:18.52 | Skiver | abrotman, okay. |
| 18:19.08 | tarzeau | pipeline: they don't have to, it's up to the person who writes the browser |
| 18:19.14 | tarzeau | Felka: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
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| 18:19.58 | odla | well i must say gnustep is pretty cool :D |
| 18:20.09 | tarzeau | odla: thanks, be in #gnustep |
| 18:20.13 | x_link | I just downloaded Ktorrent, but when I start it and want to download something a windo comes up --> KDE Crash Handler. |
| 18:20.19 | tarzeau | odla: how did you like my gnustepu shop? |
| 18:20.21 | x_link | Why can't I download anything ? |
| 18:20.43 | odla | tarzeau: it's pretty nice |
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| 18:21.08 | odla | tarzeau: so when i install the gnustep meta-package it brings in a lot of apps that i've never even heard of like gnumail and others...they are pretty slick |
| 18:21.39 | tarzeau | odla: :) wanna try emacs.app ? |
| 18:22.05 | odla | tarzeau: i'm using emacs-snapshot is that different? |
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| 18:22.13 | tarzeau | odla: yes it's different |
| 18:22.15 | x_link | Can somebody help me ? |
| 18:22.18 | odla | tarzeau: sure |
| 18:22.35 | peggerrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.39 | tarzeau | odla: http://gnu.ethz.ch/repository/emacs/ |
| 18:22.43 | Skiver | !compiz |
| 18:22.43 | dpkg | i heard compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. |
| 18:22.51 | tarzeau | odla: debian keeps a list of very cool software in the so called "debian new queue" |
| 18:23.00 | valdyn | peggerrr: why not use the debian packages? |
| 18:23.19 | odla | tarzeau: do you know how to switch between buffers in emacs with out using the mouse? it's C- something |
| 18:23.21 | peggerrr | valdyn, why do you have to be soo dificult |
| 18:23.29 | tarzeau | odla: nope, but there's #emacs |
| 18:23.38 | tarzeau | odla: don't forget gnustep-games |
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| 18:24.21 | peggerrr | valdyn, do you know or are you just trying to cause trouble |
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| 18:24.56 | Felka | thanks tarzeau |
| 18:25.03 | wols | peggerrr: this is #debian. we like debs |
| 18:25.14 | wols | and there are a ton of MDAs |
| 18:25.22 | wols | so you rarely need the one from dovecot |
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| 18:25.24 | odla | i'll bbiab...tarzeau will you be around later? |
| 18:25.49 | tarzeau | odla: yap, cu |
| 18:25.59 | peggerrr | wols, I know you like debs but most of the debs are outdated so I want to put to gather my own deb |
| 18:26.15 | wols | !tell peggerrr about backports |
| 18:26.23 | valdyn | guess it would make sense when you use dovecots own custom mail format, but that one isnt stable, iirc |
| 18:26.37 | peggerrr | wols, you can just tell me you have no idea |
| 18:26.42 | wols | and I don't think you need to compile dovecot to get a MDA |
| 18:27.00 | wols | peggerrr: I know what a MDA/deliver is. you obviously don't |
| 18:27.32 | adamt | how do i disable the usage of the built-in pc speaker? |
| 18:27.40 | valdyn | !beep |
| 18:27.41 | dpkg | beep is, like, /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 18:27.56 | valdyn | mm |
| 18:28.00 | adamt | mm? |
| 18:28.03 | tarzeau | adamt: x or console? |
| 18:28.05 | x_link | Does anybody any progam like ktorrent that I could get ? |
| 18:28.08 | adamt | tarzeau: console |
| 18:28.14 | valdyn | adamt: i dont know, i dont seem to remember the factoid |
| 18:28.15 | tarzeau | adamt: setterm -blength 0 |
| 18:28.21 | x_link | Cause everytime I want to download something with Ktorrent KDE Crash Handler comes up. |
| 18:28.27 | adamt | tarzeau: in my .bashrc? |
| 18:28.28 | x_link | Anybody, please. |
| 18:28.31 | tarzeau | x_link: #debian-kde |
| 18:28.34 | tarzeau | adamt: for example |
| 18:28.43 | valdyn | x_link: dont use ktorrent, file a bugreport if you want that its fixed |
| 18:28.48 | adamt | (it was so easy with gentoo - i just didn't add the driver for the shitty speaker :p ) |
| 18:28.50 | peggerrr | wols, well then I woudl very much appreciate it if you would explain how the Local Delivery Agent is used, when I thought that the MTA did the mail delivering |
| 18:29.04 | xjkx | wget mms:// says its not supported, i want to download an online video |
| 18:29.10 | wols | not all MTAs can do it. or have enough options |
| 18:29.21 | wols | but exim can deliver to maildir just fine which is what you should use |
| 18:29.22 | valdyn | xjkx: use http:// instead |
| 18:29.34 | xjkx | o.o |
| 18:29.34 | adamt | tarzeau: doesn't work.. |
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| 18:29.42 | devinx | x_link: you could try azureus until they got ktorrent fixed |
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| 18:29.46 | valdyn | xjkx: but maybe that just fetches a playlist anyway, so you'd grab whatever is in that playlist |
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| 18:29.49 | wols | and now it would be nice if you wouldn't ask me anything. you annoy me Mr. knowitall |
| 18:30.00 | tarzeau | adamt: put it in the other .bash* files? |
| 18:30.04 | tarzeau | adamt: i use zsh |
| 18:30.12 | tarzeau | adamt: i think you want the profile one |
| 18:30.12 | valdyn | peggerrr: procmail is one MDA |
| 18:30.36 | xjkx | valdyn, but the address uses mms protocol, the playlist thing would work for what i want anyway, are you sure it would go in the right port if i put http? |
| 18:30.39 | peggerrr | valdyn, do you know they they work in the context of devecot, it is a compile option |
| 18:30.50 | adamt | tarzeau: i alse tried just using the command directly in bash.. didn't work either |
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| 18:31.37 | tarzeau | adamt: it works here |
| 18:31.42 | tarzeau | adamt: didn't you mistype it |
| 18:31.47 | valdyn | peggerrr: i dont know the inner workings of dovecot, you dont need its own mda unless you use dovecots custom mail format for storing mail |
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| 18:31.58 | adamt | tarzeau: i made a quick copy'n'paste :-) |
| 18:31.58 | tarzeau | adamt: show me what you typed |
| 18:32.11 | peggerrr | valdyn, ok thanks I think have helped answer all my questions |
| 18:32.25 | tarzeau | adamt: no idea, it works here |
| 18:32.34 | EnterUserName | hi all |
| 18:32.37 | adamt | tarzeau: adam@yoda:~$ setterm -blength 0 .. |
| 18:32.41 | adamt | (without the dots..) |
| 18:32.54 | EnterUserName | I just installed lib-apache2-php4-mod |
| 18:32.54 | tarzeau | adamt: and then you hear beeps when you do what? |
| 18:32.56 | EnterUserName | and i can not find it in the mods-avaialble |
| 18:33.00 | EnterUserName | where should i be looking? |
| 18:33.10 | x_link | devinx: Okey, thanks. apt-get install azureus ? |
| 18:33.14 | adamt | tarzeau: tabbing, typing delete when there's nothing to delete |
| 18:33.14 | boffiz | how can i unzip a rar-file on debian? |
| 18:33.23 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 18:33.23 | dpkg | hmm... unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 18:33.31 | roxy_ | EnterUserName: dpkg -L lib-apache2-php4-mod |
| 18:33.34 | tarzeau | adamt: strange... i've seen people cut the pc speaker cable |
| 18:33.35 | EnterUserName | hanx |
| 18:33.37 | tarzeau | adamt: or just unplug it |
| 18:34.03 | valdyn | adamt: /msg dpkg blacklist, you can blacklist the pcspkr module |
| 18:34.04 | adamt | tarzeau: can't do. it's combined with the normal speaker in my laptop, and mixed in hardware.. or something like that |
| 18:34.23 | adamt | valdyn: thank you |
| 18:35.24 | devinx | x_link: yep |
| 18:35.30 | adamt | that worked. |
| 18:35.35 | EnterUserName | well thats wierd.. it says its tehre but its not.. i guess ill reinstall :) |
| 18:36.00 | weedar | I want to run 3 scripts at startup, each script loops "forever" (which is why they must run in parallel) and records 1 hour long videos - how do I set this up? |
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| 18:36.44 | tziku | what is the utility name of debian install menu ? Where can i add/remove packages, reinstall etc. |
| 18:37.01 | pipeline | tarzeau: That's a meaningless distinction. A browser that can't save things with odd filenames is very useless indeed. No such browser exists :P |
| 18:37.02 | roxy_ | tziku: aptitude ? |
| 18:37.16 | wols | tziku: does not exist. there are various applications like synaptic, aptitude, apt-get etc |
| 18:37.17 | x_link | devinx: Okey, thanks alot. I really appreciate your help & support. Thanks! |
| 18:37.21 | erore | Need to connect UPS to my sarge dist. I want to use Back-UPS CS 350 USB/Serial via USB port. Is it possible? |
| 18:37.21 | kb3ien | im back with an all new ATI card, and i still cant get debian working with it. (RADEON 9200 if you belive LSPCI and 9250 if you belive the box it came in. |
| 18:37.23 | tziku | nop.. |
| 18:37.37 | tziku | is like when i install first debian |
| 18:37.44 | tarzeau | pipeline: a web browser should render xpm and tiff |
| 18:37.48 | wols | kb3ien: a Radeon 9200 and 9250 are the exact same chip |
| 18:37.59 | wols | tziku: tasksel |
| 18:38.03 | pipeline | wols, kb3ien : They are not. |
| 18:38.04 | tarzeau | pipeline: i've seen browsers with removed save functionality, yes they exist |
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| 18:38.15 | wols | pipeline: they aren't? what is a 9250 then? |
| 18:38.15 | pipeline | wols, kb3ien : They are extremely similar chipsets, but they are not the same. |
| 18:38.17 | tziku | yes :D |
| 18:38.32 | kb3ien | wols: pipeline: eitherway, anyone setup such a beast before? |
| 18:38.36 | pipeline | wols: Think of it as a point release on the 9200. It's a smaller die, a few other cheapening enhancements. |
| 18:38.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: man snowballz ahs excellent graphics |
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| 18:38.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i can't play/start it, can you? |
| 18:39.00 | enouf | ahhh .. i see the many windows weenies are trying to homogenize yet again .. lovely for a sunday morn' . g'night all :-p |
| 18:39.00 | valdyn | kb3ien: what did you try to get it working? its support out of the box, by debian |
| 18:39.01 | x_link | devinx: That didn't work. |
| 18:39.04 | pipeline | kb3ien: err, a linux system with a 9200/9250 in it? You should just plug it in, load the "radeon" kernel module and it'll work. |
| 18:39.07 | wols | pipeline: both are RV280. one has 240MHz (9250), 9200 has 250MHz |
| 18:39.10 | wols | that's all |
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| 18:39.39 | x_link | devinx: http://pastebin.ca/240327 |
| 18:39.57 | kb3ien | well the console works, but i need to setup x11. |
| 18:39.57 | wols | pipeline: so what do you think a 9250 is different from a 9200? |
| 18:39.59 | pipeline | wols: Ok, fine. Go buy two cards, pull the heatsinks off, and TELL me those are the same chip. They're quite similar, but they are not the same. |
| 18:40.01 | Tallu | Hey umm, how would I go about fixing my fqdn? |
| 18:40.02 | Tallu | xiit:/var/www# hostname -f |
| 18:40.03 | Tallu | hostname: Unknown host |
| 18:40.16 | wols | wth has packaging to do with the chip? |
| 18:40.18 | Tallu | I tried to just change the option to resemble localhost in etc/hosts |
| 18:40.21 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 18:40.21 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 18:40.28 | wols | maybe they did a srhink or whatever. but it's still the same chip |
| 18:40.29 | valdyn | Tallu: hostname != fqdn |
| 18:40.35 | devinx | x_link: try apt-get install -t testing azureus |
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| 18:40.46 | valdyn | Tallu: in fact, one has nothing to do with the other |
| 18:40.55 | Tallu | valdyn: yeah but hostname -f should show the fqdn |
| 18:41.01 | x_link | devinx: Thanks, I'm new with Linux. |
| 18:41.09 | valdyn | Tallu: not reall y |
| 18:41.12 | valdyn | Tallu: not really |
| 18:41.20 | x_link | devinx: Same thing. |
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| 18:41.36 | wols | pipeline: http://ati.amd.com/products/radeon9200/radeon9200/index.html |
| 18:41.44 | Goog1e | hi |
| 18:42.11 | Skiver | how to import gpg key ? |
| 18:42.14 | Tallu | valdyn: well, I've set it in /etc/hosts, anything else I need to do? |
| 18:42.18 | devinx | x_link: see if you got this line in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
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| 18:42.25 | valdyn | Tallu: what dpkg said |
| 18:42.29 | dvs | Skiver: which one? the debian one? |
| 18:42.46 | Tallu | valdyn: and as far as I know hostname -f (or --fqdn) should give out the fqdn part, but well, it isnt, that's why I'm thinking something must be wrong |
| 18:43.02 | valdyn | Tallu: cat /etc/hostname |
| 18:43.04 | kb3ien | which kernel module am i loading for the radeon? |
| 18:43.14 | wols | kb3ien: radeon |
| 18:43.30 | kb3ien | duh |
| 18:43.34 | valdyn | kb3ien: nothing you need to load manually |
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| 18:43.44 | kb3ien | 'no screens found' agan. |
| 18:43.46 | kb3ien | again. |
| 18:43.55 | valdyn | !noscreensfound |
| 18:43.55 | dpkg | i heard noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 18:43.57 | wols | !tell kb3ien about drxx |
| 18:43.58 | Tallu | valdyn: gives the xiit part of my host |
| 18:44.01 | erore | Need to connect UPS to my sarge dist. I want to use Back-UPS CS 350 USB/Serial via USB port. Is it possible? |
| 18:44.10 | valdyn | Tallu: xiit ? what's that? |
| 18:44.16 | Tallu | valdyn: which is just the name of the computer, hostname |
| 18:44.31 | kb3ien | anyone have an XFConfig-4 file for said radeon? |
| 18:44.34 | Tallu | valdyn: but I cant get the fqdn out no matter what, keeps saying its unknown host |
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| 18:44.39 | pumpkin0 | kb3ien: you need to adjust the Xorg.conf to use the radeon driver (or the VESA-driver which will get you a working X11 server MUCH faster) |
| 18:45.06 | kb3ien | okay, how do i go about this? |
| 18:45.19 | wols | kb3ien: dpkg just told you |
| 18:45.22 | valdyn | Tallu: /etc/hosts is probably not ok |
| 18:45.49 | Tallu | valdyn: I set my domain to localhost, I also tried setting it to the ip eth0 has, which is static |
| 18:46.08 | valdyn | Tallu: paste that file somewhere ( not here ) |
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| 18:46.19 | kb3ien | I have gone throught hat procedure, since installing the new ATI. |
| 18:46.23 | kriebz | erore: yes, use apcupsd. works great. |
| 18:46.40 | pumpkin0 | kb3ien: upload the config and log files to a paster site. (ATI or opensoucre driver ?) |
| 18:47.03 | wols | pumpkin0: since we talk about radeon module, it'll better be the Free dirver :) |
| 18:47.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: works for me .. but crashes |
| 18:47.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: after a while |
| 18:47.53 | Coke | peterS: I don't know if the installer people know that. |
| 18:47.56 | wols | abrotman: sounds like windows :) |
| 18:47.57 | pumpkin0 | wols: you never know ... i already found the radeonfb-module and a fglrx driver working together on a client PC. It was not pretty. |
| 18:48.10 | Tallu | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/240350 |
| 18:48.17 | abrotman | wols: no .. it can be repeated .. that's not windows-like ;) |
| 18:48.19 | wols | pumpkin0: for small values of "working"? |
| 18:48.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: is it fun? |
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| 18:48.39 | pumpkin0 | wols: more like negative values ... |
| 18:48.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can see how it could be .. if it didn't crash |
| 18:48.52 | Skiver | do we have xgl package in debian ? |
| 18:48.55 | Skiver | !xgl |
| 18:48.55 | dpkg | hmm... xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 18:49.13 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: nope, itīa aiglx in debian. |
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| 18:49.15 | Joe7 | hi |
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| 18:49.33 | Lakez | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:49.54 | mha13 | where should i put a module (Path ?) for modprobe could find it ? |
| 18:49.55 | wols | !forcefsck |
| 18:50.12 | valdyn | Tallu: paste the output of 'ifconfig' too and see if /etc/sysctl.conf exists |
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| 18:50.56 | Joe7 | could you please suggest a relatively fast commandline screengrabber to be used under X? |
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| 18:51.23 | kb3ien | http://kb3ien.us/XFree86.0.log and http://kb3ien.us/XF86Config-4 |
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| 18:51.38 | Tallu | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/240357 and yes it exists |
| 18:51.49 | valdyn | Tallu: you should add the plain hostname to /etc/hosts |
| 18:51.55 | valdyn | Tallu: not only the fqdn |
| 18:52.20 | pumpkin0 | kb3ien: remove the line "BusID"PCI:0:20:0"" and retry |
| 18:52.26 | Skiver | pimpkin0 : do I still need glx if aiglx is loaded ? |
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| 18:52.30 | kb3ien | i did |
| 18:52.45 | pumpkin0 | Skiver: depends on what you want to do ? |
| 18:52.49 | pumpkin0 | kb3ien: result ? |
| 18:52.52 | tarzeau | k31th: no src package for http://kb3ien.us/code/NASM/rdhiolib.i386 ? |
| 18:52.54 | kb3ien | still no screens. the BUS ID thing is a bit contencious. |
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| 18:53.25 | Tallu | valdyn: ah, I got it. cheers. :) |
| 18:53.50 | pumpkin0 | kb3ien: can you upload the log for a config w/o BusId ? |
| 18:53.54 | kb3ien | no these were toys for an i386 asm class in school. I had to use my wifes antique machine to run them on! |
| 18:54.00 | kb3ien | sure |
| 18:54.03 | valdyn | Tallu: it falls back to a dns lookup when /etc/hosts is not setup as it is now for you |
| 18:54.13 | valdyn | Tallu: and dns lookup obviously didnt work for you |
| 18:54.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: now that microsoft bought linux, there will be no more gnome? |
| 18:54.59 | abrotman | wtf is it with the tards today? |
| 18:55.17 | Tallu | valdyn: could be that the computer isnt resolving properly.. been dropping out of the internet a lot lately |
| 18:55.20 | dvs | abrotman: I'll leave... |
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| 18:55.37 | abrotman | dvs: no .. the "MS owns linux" bullshit .. since noone actually read the news |
| 18:55.45 | valdyn | Tallu: does resolve from here |
| 18:55.49 | kb3ien | done, refresh |
| 18:55.54 | _JusSx_ | tarzeau: nobody can sell linux, do how can anybody buy it? |
| 18:56.07 | Tallu | valdyn: yup, it should.. it's pointing to that ip and is reversed too |
| 18:56.14 | adamt | hmm, i can't start the battery monitor in KDE - any ideas? |
| 18:56.15 | valdyn | Tallu: that doesnt mean that plain 'whitehats' ( sans .fi ) will resolve from you |
| 18:56.28 | tarzeau | adamt: the kde battery monitor? |
| 18:56.37 | adamt | yup |
| 18:56.40 | grendal_prime | anybody use a gps app with there smart phone? |
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| 18:56.52 | grendal_prime | im looking for recomendation |
| 18:56.56 | adamt | any special modules i need to load/install? it's an ibm x40 |
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| 18:57.29 | Tallu | valdyn: well the thing is i have all the subdomains pointed to that ip as well, i just needed to get the system realize its really the designated host for stuff coming there, so exim wont be too grudgy |
| 18:57.31 | john_doe | I have some problems with slapd. When I try to "apt-get install slapd", the post-installation script fails. dpkg-reconfigure says that the package is broken or not fully installed. How do I remove everything "apt-get install slapd" has installed in the first place? |
| 18:57.48 | abrotman | errors ? |
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| 18:58.08 | pumpkin0 | kb3ien: now replace "Driver"ati"" with "Driver"radeon"" |
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| 18:58.29 | valdyn | Tallu: adding 'search fi' to /etc/resolv.conf might have fixed it too |
| 18:58.30 | pumpkin0 | adamt: ibm-acpi |
| 18:59.03 | john_doe | abrotman: was that to me? |
| 18:59.08 | kb3ien | woo! pumpkin0 is my hero! |
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| 18:59.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:59.14 | Tallu | valdyn: hmm okay |
| 18:59.23 | odla | tarzeau: gnustep is sweet :D |
| 18:59.31 | tarzeau | odla: :) |
| 18:59.36 | kb3ien | should that be her0 I'm not up on IRC ettique. |
| 18:59.38 | john_doe | Creating initial LDAP directory... slapadd: could not parse entry (line=7) |
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| 18:59.41 | devinx | ok..I got Xephyr running with a normal icewm...but beryl won't run and glxgears segfaults. any ideas? |
| 18:59.44 | adamt | pumpkin0: actually i think the problems is a nother - kcontrol shows me the state of the battery and everything, i just can't get the monitor to show up in the tray |
| 18:59.50 | odla | tarzeau: i'll have to try that .iso ...i'll need you to resend that link and the emacs.app link again...in a few minutes though...i'm not in X |
| 18:59.50 | tarzeau | odla: did you find the latex renderer, dictionary service and other services yet? |
| 18:59.59 | tarzeau | odla: ok |
| 19:00.10 | kb3ien | thanks, i was going crazy here. Now i have to feed my puppies. http://niki9.com/lacey |
| 19:00.22 | john_doe | abrotman: I must have a bad config file. but I cannot find it by grepping on the data from the output. |
| 19:00.23 | odla | tarzeau: do you play frozen-bubble? |
| 19:00.38 | tarzeau | odla: nope, but http://bub-n-bros.sf.net and nethack, and brutalchess |
| 19:00.43 | abrotman | john_doe: which version of debian ? |
| 19:00.53 | john_doe | abrotman: sarge |
| 19:00.54 | pumpkin0 | kb3ien: np. the next thing that will cause problems are the lines "HorizSync30-60" and "VertRefresh50-75". |
| 19:00.56 | devinx | there's my commandline: Xephyr :1 -screen 800x600 +extension Composite +extension XGL -ac & |
| 19:00.57 | odla | tarzeau: bub-n-bros! yeah i've played against you...you eat all the big cakes :D |
| 19:01.03 | adamt | i'll just try logging out and in again.. |
| 19:01.04 | tarzeau | hahaha |
| 19:01.22 | abrotman | john_doe: seems like the schema file is busted |
| 19:01.22 | odla | tarzeau: panthera never packed it did he? |
| 19:01.34 | john_doe | abrotman: yes, could be |
| 19:01.34 | valdyn | devinx: xgl is an X extension? |
| 19:01.39 | tarzeau | odla: nope, he didn't afaik |
| 19:01.44 | tarzeau | odla: can you make the package? |
| 19:01.47 | gravity | No, it's not |
| 19:01.59 | odla | tarzeau: i've never made a package...i'm going to try to learn |
| 19:02.03 | odla | tarzeau: it's python right? |
| 19:02.07 | tarzeau | odla: yep |
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| 19:02.23 | valdyn | devinx: i very much doubt that xephyr is ready for what you are trying to do, but gravity knows better |
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| 19:02.45 | pumpkin0 | devinx: compiz will not work that way. It has to run in the main X11 and it has to have support from KDE or gnome. |
| 19:02.47 | devinx | valdyn: it's in the list of available extensions xephyr gives |
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| 19:02.51 | gravity | xephyr is quite nice actually |
| 19:02.53 | adamt | weird, works now. |
| 19:02.53 | odla | obey gravity and X :D |
| 19:03.04 | gravity | Hrm, it shouldn't be an extension. It's a ddx |
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| 19:03.16 | gravity | I don't really know what xephyr is doing with it though |
| 19:03.21 | gravity | That's kinda bizarre |
| 19:03.42 | itchi | Coool, just discovered 'note' package, usefull |
| 19:03.46 | john_doe | abrotman: but I only include the standard schemas in /etc/ldap/slapd.conf |
| 19:04.25 | abrotman | doesn't mean it's not broken .. maybe take a peek in the BTS |
| 19:04.27 | odla | gravity: i have an intel 845 chip and debian either a) uses the wrong driver by default (veas) or b) doesn't set up refresh rates...any ideas why? i've never looked to see if it's a bug cause it's so easy to fix |
| 19:04.46 | john_doe | abrotman: BTS? |
| 19:04.50 | gravity | odla: I'm not sure I understand... |
| 19:04.57 | abrotman | !bts |
| 19:04.57 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 19:04.58 | pumpkin0 | odla: why do you want to setup refresh rate ? |
| 19:05.00 | gravity | odla: Do you know what driver you're running? |
| 19:05.08 | valdyn | devinx: Extension "XGL" is not recognized is what it gives me on sid |
| 19:05.19 | odla | gravity: i use i810 and it needs my horizsync and vertrefresh stuff added |
| 19:05.24 | john_doe | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:05.33 | gravity | odla: Ok, so? |
| 19:05.34 | odla | gravity: it either sets up my horizsync and vertrefresh correctly or the driver |
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| 19:05.55 | odla | gravity: i'm just saying it recognizes the wrong driver or doesn't set up those values... |
| 19:06.17 | devinx | oh that could be it...I mistyped GLX doh |
| 19:06.30 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: xgl runs on top of the normal X-server and replaces it more or less. |
| 19:06.41 | pumpkin0 | devinx: what do you want to do ? run compiz ? |
| 19:06.44 | gravity | odla: I don't understand what you mean about recognizing the wrong driver. That makes no sense... either you're using i810 or you're not |
| 19:07.14 | devinx | pumpkin0: yea I want to run the beryl wm on :1 |
| 19:07.19 | valdyn | devinx: xephyr is completely broken on my debian/amd64 / xorg 7.1 / nvidia / aiglx |
| 19:07.39 | pumpkin0 | devinx: start with installing aiglx andget that one working with a normal WM. |
| 19:07.53 | abhinay | how to reset the changes in gconf-editor, my gnome-panel screwed up :( , i saw only plane panel (with no applets) |
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| 19:08.17 | odla | gravity: ok...if i do a desktop install then X will give me the correct driver (i810) by default with no horizsync and vertrefresh values or if I am doing a server install it will give me the wrong driver for my card (vesa) and the correct horizsync and vertrefresh values...i know it's confusing...it's doesn't make a lot of sense to me either |
| 19:08.32 | devinx | pumpkin0: I have beryl working on kde (but not at the moment) in the main X |
| 19:08.36 | pumpkin0 | abhinay: you could rm the config-files, that will reset everything in every apps that uses gconf. |
| 19:08.37 | gravity | odla: Ok, no I understand |
| 19:08.38 | valdyn | abhinay: rm -r ~/.gconf* |
| 19:08.51 | odla | gravity: and it's very easy for me to fix |
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| 19:09.13 | gravity | odla: I can explain it all to you, but basically you're looking at a bug in the i810 driver which is being resolved. If you're running unstable, you can use the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package to get the proper refresh rates (in theory) |
| 19:09.19 | gravity | odla: That driver isn't released yet though |
| 19:09.20 | pumpkin0 | devinx: are you sure berly can work standalone ? |
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| 19:09.42 | valdyn | beryl does work on aiglx |
| 19:09.49 | odla | gravity: ok, i am running unstable but i can wait. i've always just edited it by hand anyways |
| 19:09.49 | gravity | That it does |
| 19:09.54 | gravity | odla: Ok |
| 19:09.57 | odla | gravity: thanks |
| 19:10.05 | h3sp4wn | devinx: why can you not just do something like /usr/bin/Xorg :1; DISPLAY=:1; /usr/bin/whateverwm/script |
| 19:10.18 | gravity | Yeah... I seriously need to kill our reliance on discover so there's no diff between the server and desktop install |
| 19:10.21 | h3sp4wn | devinx: (I can do that but I am using radeon dri) |
| 19:10.28 | gravity | So much to do |
| 19:10.32 | h3sp4wn | devinx: (i.e free drivers - dunno about nvidia) |
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| 19:10.48 | john_doe | abrotman: that doesn't tell. How do I remove everything from this package? |
| 19:10.54 | abrotman | purge it |
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| 19:11.03 | john_doe | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:11.11 | tex2663 | hello everybody |
| 19:11.22 | abhinay | valdyn, even if i do rm -r ~/.gnconf* , i can see the changed settings in gconf-editor |
| 19:11.52 | tex2663 | i have a pb to activate my swap |
| 19:12.00 | odla | gravity: so X detects settings differently if it's a server install versuses a desktop install? |
| 19:12.03 | devinx | h3sp4wn: cool that worked, I just have to ctrl-f8 to see it |
| 19:12.03 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 19:12.06 | abhinay | valdyn, the values that i changed are still there |
| 19:12.11 | valdyn | abhinay: you have to exit gnome first and additionally kill the still running gconfd-2 |
| 19:12.53 | tex2663 | i make a swap part but my debian doesn't use it |
| 19:12.54 | gravity | odla: Because of discover, yeah. |
| 19:13.04 | gravity | odla: That's a major target for me for etch+1 actually |
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| 19:13.11 | valdyn | tex2663: what's wrong with that? |
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| 19:13.21 | pygi | hello |
| 19:13.22 | odla | gravity: ok...well that makes more sense to me now |
| 19:13.25 | odla | brb |
| 19:13.31 | adamt | hi pygi |
| 19:13.45 | pygi | what would be the line to create a sid pbuilder? |
| 19:14.03 | tex2663 | i think my distrib is activate to don't use the swap |
| 19:14.23 | h3sp4wn | pygi: The default is sid |
| 19:14.47 | pygi | h3sp4wn, perhaps, but I'm not on debian ^_^ |
| 19:14.54 | pygi | sorry |
| 19:15.00 | pygi | that's why I'm asking ... |
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| 19:16.00 | h3sp4wn | well use a debian chroot then |
| 19:16.08 | pygi | sudo pbuilder create --distribution sid --othermirror "deb http://whatgoeshere" |
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| 19:17.15 | tex2663 | how can i activate my swap part? |
| 19:17.23 | pygi | h3sp4wn, can you just tell me what mirror do I put in "othermirror" argument? |
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| 19:17.33 | dvs | tex2663: swapon |
| 19:17.52 | tex2663 | just swapon? |
| 19:17.57 | h3sp4wn | pygi: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian |
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| 19:18.14 | pygi | h3sp4wn, thanks |
| 19:18.18 | adamt | how do i reconfigure my timezone settings? |
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| 19:18.41 | h3sp4wn | adamt: tzconfig |
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| 19:20.16 | abrotman | cricht0ff: do we actually care ? |
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| 19:21.47 | EnterUserName | hi all what would cause apt-get to install very slowly? |
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| 19:21.59 | hi | hellloooooo |
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| 19:22.12 | abrotman | EnterUserName: it's a slow computer ? |
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| 19:22.31 | EnterUserName | no.. |
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| 19:23.03 | dvs | EnterUserName: slow mirror? |
| 19:23.04 | hi | guys whats the max ratio you can get ? |
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| 19:23.50 | hi | does anny1 know :O ? |
| 19:23.59 | abrotman | EnterUserName: how is it slow ? |
| 19:24.03 | abrotman | hi: wrong channel |
| 19:24.11 | dvs | hi: your question makes no sense |
| 19:24.18 | hi | : / |
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| 19:24.37 | abrotman | dvs: he's asking about bittorrent afaict |
| 19:24.45 | dvs | oh |
| 19:24.47 | dvs | dunno |
| 19:24.53 | hi | i just want to know : ( |
| 19:25.00 | abrotman | hi: try ##warez |
| 19:25.07 | hi | thanks |
| 19:25.11 | kriebz | lol |
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| 19:25.26 | abrotman | am i evil ? |
| 19:25.41 | kriebz | no |
| 19:25.53 | dvs | well... |
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| 19:26.06 | Hoxzer_ | yes you are, first you fuck my brother and then you fucked my cat :((( |
| 19:26.08 | abrotman | alright .. but if he hops a boat and comes to philly .. i'm holding you responsible! |
| 19:26.17 | Hoxzer_ | and then you come here to ask me about your evilness |
| 19:26.28 | HNT | Hello everybody, the command more /etc/debian-version give me the result : "4.0", i'm surprise, everywhere it's writtent we are in 3.1r3, so what ? (i'm in unstable) |
| 19:26.39 | abrotman | HNT: you're on etch |
| 19:26.54 | abrotman | HNT: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 19:27.17 | HNT | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:27.26 | abrotman | that's not stable/sarge . that's etch/sid |
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| 19:27.38 | HNT | is it the version 4 of Debian ? |
| 19:27.42 | abrotman | HNT: so it probabl yhsould say 4.0 .. |
| 19:27.46 | hi | hii |
| 19:27.48 | abrotman | HNT: etch will be 4.0 |
| 19:27.52 | abrotman | hi: go to ##warez! |
| 19:28.00 | hi | thats not a channel ! |
| 19:28.05 | abrotman | it is if you're in it! |
| 19:28.13 | hi | :O :O |
| 19:28.17 | abrotman | hi: which version of debian are you on ? |
| 19:28.25 | hi | so your all real humans ? |
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| 19:28.29 | abrotman | you're |
| 19:28.35 | HNT | i'm |
| 19:28.55 | hi | whats a debian? |
| 19:28.57 | kriebz | everyone but dpkg and ChanServ |
| 19:29.01 | abrotman | hi: do you know what linux is ? |
| 19:29.04 | Supaplex | hi http://www.debian.org/ |
| 19:29.06 | hi | yes |
| 19:29.13 | abrotman | hi: which version of linux do you run ? |
| 19:29.14 | hi | a os |
| 19:29.20 | hi | uhm |
| 19:29.27 | hi | i use windows atm |
| 19:29.33 | abrotman | hi: then try ##windows |
| 19:29.38 | Hoxzer_ | WINDOWS Is evil |
| 19:29.39 | abrotman | hi: if that fails .. go play on efnet |
| 19:29.44 | adamt | what a confusing nickname |
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| 19:29.51 | hi | abrotman your evil ! |
| 19:29.57 | abrotman | hi: this channel is to support Debian .. you don't even know what Debian is |
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| 19:30.07 | dvs | hi: what's about his evil? |
| 19:30.12 | HNT | abrotman : i'm a little disapointed, i thougth debian 4 (named etch) will come trough in December and now you said me i'm using Etch (but nowhere i can see the annoncement of the release) |
| 19:30.14 | dvs | he's not evil |
| 19:30.15 | adamt | abrotman: maybe he's a bot.. |
| 19:30.18 | hi | ARGG |
| 19:30.25 | abrotman | HNT: it hasn't been released yet |
| 19:30.26 | hi | wtf |
| 19:30.26 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 19:30.26 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00009.html |
| 19:30.28 | Supaplex | he's a tease |
| 19:30.37 | hi | are you bots ? |
| 19:30.38 | dvs | a tease? that's putting it politely |
| 19:30.39 | adamt | HNT: you're using what will eventually be released as etch. |
| 19:30.46 | abrotman | hi: please /part |
| 19:30.52 | CharminTheMoose | hi is a bot in the face |
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| 19:30.53 | adamt | HNT: like a beta |
| 19:30.55 | hi | arg ! |
| 19:31.01 | hi | you guys are bots ? |
| 19:31.09 | abrotman | yes .. this is a bot club .. you're not a bot .. please leave |
| 19:31.10 | adamt | hi: yes |
| 19:31.10 | Supaplex | hi: FOAD |
| 19:31.12 | CharminTheMoose | someone kick it |
| 19:31.18 | hi | i wanna be a bot |
| 19:31.19 | Streak | supp EVERYBODY!!?? |
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| 19:31.27 | Administrator__ | does invoking make in /usr/src/linux also builds the modules?? |
| 19:31.28 | abrotman | hi: you can't be .. you run windows |
| 19:31.29 | dvs | !op hi is spamming |
| 19:31.29 | dpkg | spamming the channel #debian |
| 19:31.29 | HNT | k, i understand now, thank you, everybody |
| 19:31.30 | Phated | What the fuck is wrong with the channel today? |
| 19:31.35 | abrotman | Phated: sunday? |
| 19:31.43 | adamt | anyone in need of v14gr4? |
| 19:31.45 | Phated | abrotman: Ah! Yes, I forgot, thank you. |
| 19:31.52 | hi | abrotman are you a bot please answer me : ) |
| 19:31.53 | Supaplex | !permsunday |
| 19:32.04 | Phated | !permasunday |
| 19:32.04 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 19:32.06 | abrotman | hi: Bots are the best. They make cookies. |
| 19:32.12 | adamt | hi: Am i an bot? You tell me. |
| 19:32.18 | hi | abrotman : cool ! |
| 19:32.27 | Phated | !ops hi is being an irritating idiot |
| 19:32.27 | hi | LOL cool bots :D |
| 19:32.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: phated complains about: hi is being an irritating idiot |
| 19:32.29 | Streak | how do u private msg sum1???? |
| 19:32.36 | Supaplex | !foad hi |
| 19:32.39 | Phated | ... and so is Streak, for that matter. |
| 19:32.41 | abrotman | Streak: please don't start |
| 19:32.51 | Phated | abrotman: He already has. |
| 19:32.53 | Streak | start what man? |
| 19:32.57 | hi | abrotman can i buy you ? |
| 19:33.08 | peterS | hi: do you have anything debian-related to discuss? |
| 19:33.08 | abrotman | hi: your mom doesn't give you enough allowance |
| 19:33.11 | CharminTheMoose | that's not good hackers that's not good |
| 19:33.16 | george | Streak: sheesh :) are you kidding :) |
| 19:33.21 | adamt | hi |
| 19:33.25 | CharminTheMoose | the free software song sucks ass. |
| 19:33.26 | Streak | nop :( |
| 19:33.33 | abrotman | Streak: google "irc primer" |
| 19:33.34 | Tallu | Oh geez. Seems that my isp that's not 'blocking any ports' is 'not blocking any ports, other than 25' |
| 19:33.39 | Streak | lol k |
| 19:33.42 | adamt | CharminTheMoose: .. i got a song about "pi" that's even worse :p |
| 19:33.45 | Phated | CharminTheMoose: That's one point for making fun of the FSS, a million points off for reminding me of it >.< |
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| 19:34.04 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 19:34.09 | hi | abrotman is it cool to be a bot ? |
| 19:34.13 | lkthomas | awk -vRS='[>]' -F\" '/href/ {print $2}' -F\" '/title/ {print $4}' <--- how come this command is invalid ? |
| 19:34.14 | peterS | hi: do you have anything debian-related to discuss? |
| 19:34.18 | abrotman | hi: please leave me alone now |
| 19:34.23 | hi | yes peter |
| 19:34.30 | peterS | hi: then start doing it, or shut up. thanks. |
| 19:34.36 | george | Streak, hi: here, this is what we're about... you can look at www.debian.org and see what we do |
| 19:34.43 | CharminTheMoose | can i discuss how debian is more 1337 than college linux? |
| 19:34.45 | CharminTheMoose | :p |
| 19:34.52 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: not really, no |
| 19:34.56 | CharminTheMoose | i kid |
| 19:35.09 | hi | i got a debian server running atm u like ? |
| 19:35.13 | george | well 'we' is a strong word in my case,,, so that is what people here talk about |
| 19:35.18 | _JusSx_ | CharminTheMoose: ok |
| 19:35.21 | abrotman | hi: which version ? |
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| 19:35.24 | peterS | hi: please either ask or answer debian-related questions, or stop talking |
| 19:35.28 | hi | 4.1 |
| 19:35.31 | lkthomas | any awk expert here ? |
| 19:35.35 | dvs | heh |
| 19:35.39 | george | HEllo! |
| 19:35.45 | peterS | abrotman: tempted. |
| 19:35.46 | Phated | ops have fled. peterS is greatest authority. Please, peterS, kill! |
| 19:35.53 | hi | peters stop talking to me please |
| 19:35.54 | argonel | is there something magic about control-alt-shift-F11? |
| 19:35.57 | abrotman | Phated: he is an op |
| 19:35.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 19:35.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@s5592e96e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by peterS |
| 19:35.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 19:36.03 | Supaplex | hi: that can be arranged :P |
| 19:36.04 | abrotman | !beer peterS |
| 19:36.08 | Phated | abrotman: Well, yay! :D |
| 19:36.13 | CharminTheMoose | hurrah |
| 19:36.17 | Supaplex | cat got his tounge! |
| 19:36.18 | george | that's a quietly, right? |
| 19:36.38 | peterS | george: yes. I don't mind him sitting here quietly, which is what he will do now. |
| 19:36.39 | abrotman | i don't care which it is as long as he's not talking anymore :) |
| 19:37.01 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 19:37.24 | dvs | yay |
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| 19:37.29 | george | hi bi |
| 19:37.30 | peterS | *nod*. they usually go away on their own once they get +q |
| 19:37.31 | dvs | boo |
| 19:37.31 | george | ye |
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| 19:37.38 | dakoo | hello there, how are things here |
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| 19:37.45 | dvs | dakoo: hectic |
| 19:37.52 | Phated | Insanely stupid. |
| 19:37.56 | Streak | wassup dakoo |
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| 19:38.19 | Streak | what does dakoo mean? |
| 19:38.27 | dakoo | i want to go from 2.4 to 2.6, should i get a 2.6 kernel, compile it and then boot into it and then do apt-get update; apt-get -y dist-upgrade ? |
| 19:38.29 | abrotman | Streak: do you have a debian-related question ? |
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| 19:38.35 | Streak | yes |
| 19:38.37 | dakoo | Streak: it means a thief |
| 19:38.37 | Streak | i do |
| 19:38.44 | Phated | dakoo: Booting into will -will- have made you go from 2.4 to 2.6. |
| 19:38.45 | Streak | haah ur indian right? |
| 19:38.54 | abrotman | Streak: please ask your Debian related question |
| 19:38.58 | dakoo | Streak: paki |
| 19:39.04 | CharminTheMoose | ask it now! |
| 19:39.05 | Streak | k |
| 19:39.08 | pumpkin0 | dakoo: you donīt even need to compile it ... |
| 19:39.13 | Streak | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.14 | argonel | hmm, rephrase... is control-alt-shift-f11 a special keystroke in X? |
| 19:39.18 | Supaplex | !debian |
| 19:39.18 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 19:39.18 | abrotman | !tell streak about debian |
| 19:39.21 | peterS | Streak: www.debian.org <---- read. |
| 19:39.22 | dakoo | pumpkin0 : oh, how is that |
| 19:39.26 | Phated | argonel: Really depends. |
| 19:39.33 | CharminTheMoose | Streak:Debian is an os |
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| 19:39.45 | Streak | what is an os? |
| 19:39.51 | Phated | dakoo: apt-cache search linux-kernel | less - browse away. |
| 19:39.52 | abrotman | oh come on |
| 19:39.55 | Supaplex | what do you think it is? |
| 19:40.02 | argonel | ohhh... maybe it just put me on a vt with no getty on it |
| 19:40.04 | george | an os is a boss of a computer |
| 19:40.09 | abrotman | stick ? |
| 19:40.12 | peterS | Streak: if you don't know what debian is, or what an OS is, just sit quietly and listen. or read the web page we've pointed you to. |
| 19:40.14 | pumpkin0 | dakoo: you can tell apt-get toinstall a stock-issue kernel... If youīr not on a very special HW that will work fine. |
| 19:40.14 | CharminTheMoose | aye |
| 19:40.15 | george | and as oses go, this os is boss! |
| 19:40.18 | CharminTheMoose | that's the one abrotman |
| 19:40.27 | Streak | ill listen |
| 19:40.29 | dakoo | Phated: ah ok, i tried that, can't seem to find any above 2.6.8, so i was going to compile 2.6.18.1 myself, but i'll check again |
| 19:40.30 | argonel | bingo. bizarre |
| 19:40.58 | Supaplex | Streak: ask hi all about debian. he asked all the very same questions you have so far today. |
| 19:41.00 | george | Streak: it's sort of a personality |
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| 19:41.09 | Phated | dakoo: I don't have 2.6.18 either - it's probably not packaged yet. |
| 19:41.13 | abrotman | dakoo: first install the 2.6.8 ... then compile your own |
| 19:41.14 | dvs | dakoo: if you're using sarge then 2.6.8 is the latest |
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| 19:41.22 | dakoo | pumpkin0 : i have that crazy highpoint raid card, so thats why i need the source so i can compile the driver against it |
| 19:41.29 | Streak | hi has left.. |
| 19:41.44 | Streak | can sum1 private smsg me |
| 19:41.47 | Streak | ? |
| 19:41.47 | abrotman | Streak: do you know what "sit quietly" means ? |
| 19:41.49 | pumpkin0 | dakoo: you can get the source of any stock-kernel, just apt-get install that as well. |
| 19:41.50 | CharminTheMoose | !u |
| 19:41.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:41.54 | valdyn | !sum1 |
| 19:41.54 | dpkg | try someone |
| 19:41.57 | Phated | Streak: Thank $DEITY for that. If you honestly want to learn anything at all, sit quietly and watch. |
| 19:41.59 | devinx | which port does dns use? |
| 19:42.04 | Phated | dakoo: 53. |
| 19:42.07 | peterS | devinx: UDP 53, sometimes TCP 53 |
| 19:42.08 | CharminTheMoose | Phated:Thank tux? |
| 19:42.08 | Phated | Er, devinx. |
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| 19:42.22 | Phated | CharminTheMoose: <shrug> I worship the FSM, but that is irrelevant. |
| 19:42.23 | Supaplex | devinx: /etc/services :) |
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| 19:42.26 | dakoo | pumpkin0: ah ok, let me just get debian kernel then, it will be simpler , thanx for the help |
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| 19:42.32 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 19:42.36 | abrotman | !tell root___ about root |
| 19:42.40 | george | thanks tux... you made me some bux! |
| 19:42.45 | CharminTheMoose | Phated:FSM?free software muppets? |
| 19:42.53 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: flying spaghetti monster |
| 19:42.55 | Phated | CharminTheMoose: Offtopic; FGI. |
| 19:43.00 | Streak | ok just tell me how to get to a channel where ther are like more sociable ppl ? |
| 19:43.03 | devinx | k thanks |
| 19:43.12 | abrotman | Streak: try #freenode-social |
| 19:43.17 | dvs | Streak: #ubuntu |
| 19:43.21 | CharminTheMoose | bah |
| 19:43.27 | CharminTheMoose | we are socialable! |
| 19:43.31 | peterS | Streak: irc.freenode.net is not a "social" network, it's for hacking and tech support. there are many social IRC networks out there, this isn't one of them |
| 19:43.31 | Phated | Streak: Get on google and read the irc primer, LIKE ABROTMAN TOLD YOU. |
| 19:43.39 | Phated | CharminTheMoose: We're not a social channel. |
| 19:43.45 | george | it's true we are... but this isn't a social channel |
| 19:43.54 | CharminTheMoose | hear hear |
| 19:44.00 | Streak | and 1 last question can i open a new window to open a new channel in or can we only be in one channel at a time? |
| 19:44.03 | abrotman | who is this "we" ? :) |
| 19:44.10 | abrotman | Streak: which IRC client ? |
| 19:44.12 | peterS | Streak: don't ask us, ask the person who sold you your IRC program |
| 19:44.13 | adamt | lets break something and try to figure out how to fix it >:) |
| 19:44.18 | Tallu | I know this is a touchy issue usually, but could someone do me a favor and try and telnet to my smtp? Just to see if they get the banner, or no route to host |
| 19:44.25 | Tallu | whitehats.fi port 25 |
| 19:44.51 | peterS | Tallu: packets apparently dropped on the floor, I get nothing but delay |
| 19:44.52 | abrotman | how about .. no banner at all ? |
| 19:44.58 | Phated | Tallu: Seems to resolve, but no banner. |
| 19:45.00 | george | got ping replies from whitehats.fi |
| 19:45.11 | Tallu | Yeah, seems they've blocked incoming and outgoing port 25 |
| 19:45.14 | Tallu | How cool is that. |
| 19:45.20 | Tallu | I'm paying to not have any ports blocked. |
| 19:45.35 | abrotman | then call and complain |
| 19:45.37 | *** part/#debian Streak (n=AZ2304@i216-58-18-79.cybersurf.com) |
| 19:45.40 | abrotman | or you've misconfigured it |
| 19:45.49 | george | so the machine is up, and you wouldn't get "no route to host" |
| 19:46.02 | peterS | abrotman: well, if he doesn't have an MTA running, we'd get "connection refused". that's what you get if you telnet to port 23. |
| 19:46.16 | abrotman | ah .. yeah ... |
| 19:46.17 | Tallu | I'll call and complain, yeah |
| 19:46.19 | george | or would you... is it possible to get "no route to host" on a particular port? |
| 19:46.38 | peterS | george: sure, a firewall could send back a 'no route to host' for any reason it wants |
| 19:46.42 | Tallu | I can connect from my lan, since it doesnt go through my isp then, but it seems no one else is able to connect |
| 19:46.44 | CharminTheMoose | george:you can |
| 19:46.50 | peterS | george: in this case, though, it seems the firewall is just dropping packets on the floor |
| 19:46.57 | pumpkin0 | Tallu: it still may be a NAT running on your side |
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| 19:47.07 | Tallu | pumpkin0: well, if I had nat.. |
| 19:47.14 | famir | hi guys, im thinking of starting to use linux as file server and im wonderring who can i lock user to folder ? |
| 19:47.15 | george | so if it's a linux box, a DROP destination was used |
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| 19:47.19 | Joe7 | is there anything better tool for making screenshots than Ksnapshot? I'd need something which is able to make screenshot of browser windows heigher than height of screen. (something like the screengrab extension of firefox) |
| 19:47.28 | pumpkin0 | Tallu: do you have a router ? |
| 19:47.37 | Tallu | pumpkin0: eth0 is wide open to the world, with a public ip |
| 19:47.38 | per | can anyone help me set up ipw2200 to work on debian? |
| 19:47.49 | valdyn | !ipw2200 |
| 19:47.49 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware to /lib/firmware. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:47.58 | Tallu | pumpkin0: yeah but its rfc bridge |
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| 19:48.08 | peterS | famir: for FTP, I don't think any FTP servers in Debian support this, but I'm not certain |
| 19:48.12 | brick | Joe7, GIMP can take screenshots |
| 19:48.18 | pumpkin0 | Tallu: ois. And netstat says the MTA is listening on that interface ? |
| 19:48.30 | h3sp4wn | famir: proftpd can do it |
| 19:48.37 | peterS | famir: for CIFS, samba supports "home directory" shares that you can't get out of |
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| 19:48.51 | Tallu | pumpkin0: well yeah, i can connect to it from the computer next to it(i just added a route so it doesnt go through isp) |
| 19:49.16 | h3sp4wn | famir: DefaultRoot ~ |
| 19:49.23 | Joe7 | brick: does that have the option to 'autoscroll' for making the screenshot? |
| 19:49.27 | peterS | if you say "follow symlinks = no" in smb.conf, anyway |
| 19:49.28 | CharminTheMoose | are there any tools that i can use to test the security of my website? |
| 19:49.28 | xingu | Tallu: hosting outfit looks like one of the less worse ones, try your customer support |
| 19:49.30 | pumpkin0 | Tallu: do other services on that PC work via ISP ? |
| 19:49.34 | famir | per: use ubuntu it's all so debian (some how ) but sure you can work with wlan |
| 19:49.53 | Tallu | pumpkin0: yeah, everything else works like a charm, ftp, ssh, http |
| 19:50.01 | brick | Joe7, find out yourself, i've no idea |
| 19:50.10 | xingu | Tallu: at a guess there's an additional process required to let them know who you (the postmaster) is as a person; 3rd party hosting outfits tend to assume you're more pink than not these days until established otherwise |
| 19:50.24 | xingu | Tallu: business risk of not doing so outweighs support costs |
| 19:50.25 | Joe7 | brick: k, thanks anyway :) |
| 19:50.39 | CharminTheMoose | are there any tools that i can use to test the security of my website? |
| 19:50.43 | Tallu | xingu: well, I actually have the line to my house, and they told me they wont block any ports |
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| 19:51.06 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: try to get it on the frontpage of slashdot ... |
| 19:51.22 | george | Tallu: maybe we can test that if you have another machine |
| 19:51.32 | xingu | Tallu: right, but don't waste bits here; pick up the phone and call their support and work out what you're missing process-wise |
| 19:51.35 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:what? |
| 19:51.37 | Tallu | george: sure, I'll put in ftp on this one to port 25.. just a second |
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| 19:51.49 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: do you know slashdot.org ? |
| 19:51.54 | CharminTheMoose | yes |
| 19:51.59 | Tallu | xingu: yeah, I will call them, I just wanted to make sure others cant connect. it's 10 pm so I cant really call them now |
| 19:52.12 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: he means that if everyone who reads slashdot clicks on a link to your site, someone will "test the security of your web server" |
| 19:52.19 | xingu | Tallu: why not? it should be 24x7 |
| 19:52.30 | Tallu | xingu: it's not. |
| 19:52.38 | xingu | Tallu: trust me, any outfit that can get forward and reverse pointers right is worth a shot |
| 19:52.48 | george | then it's possible you're paying too much |
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| 19:53.19 | Tallu | ok well, i've got another machine here |
| 19:53.23 | Tallu | telnet to it 80.248.254.75, on port 25 |
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| 19:53.50 | peterS | Tallu: that one I can't reach at all |
| 19:53.50 | george | it's dropping |
| 19:54.07 | Tallu | yeah this one is dropping icmp |
| 19:54.14 | Tallu | but it seems its not getting anything to port 25 either |
| 19:54.15 | george | yeah, same here |
| 19:54.18 | Tallu | i'm not seeing any traffic |
| 19:54.33 | Tallu | so yeah, that verifies it, they're blocking port 25 :/ |
| 19:54.35 | peterS | it doesn't even return a RST ("connection refused") for ports you aren't using |
| 19:54.37 | george | what are you using as a router |
| 19:54.46 | abrotman | could it be blackholing them ? |
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| 19:55.12 | peterS | abrotman: either someone is blackholing them (probably a firewall), or the machine isn't routed to the internet at all, yeah |
| 19:55.14 | Tallu | george: it's a telewell wireless combo box thingie, but that shouldnt be the issue, since its bridging |
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| 19:55.31 | Tallu | well i think the isp is dropping it before it gets to my side at all |
| 19:55.34 | george | if it's |
| 19:55.52 | george | bridging, is there a firewall on the other side of the bridge? |
| 19:55.55 | Tallu | Well I'm not getting any traffic to port 25 at all |
| 19:56.20 | Tallu | george: no, if not at the dslam at the other end of the line |
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| 19:56.56 | george | there has to be a gateway somewhere :) |
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| 19:57.16 | Tallu | Well, I'm phoning them in the morning |
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| 19:57.25 | abrotman | can you traceroute on the port ? |
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| 19:58.04 | valdyn | Tallu: tcptracerouting yourip:25 |
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| 19:58.45 | valdyn | Tallu: 11 suomicom-gw.nebula.fi being the hop that kills it |
| 19:58.58 | CharminTheMoose | are there any tools that i can use to test the security of my website?c'mon,there must be some! |
| 19:58.58 | Tallu | valdyn: cheers, that makes sense |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | i get one past that |
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| 19:59.27 | xmoogle | hiya |
| 19:59.42 | xmoogle | having an odd problem trying to install stuff on debian on a sharp zaurus |
| 19:59.45 | valdyn | abrotman: yea, thats actually the last hop |
| 19:59.54 | abrotman | 23 217.119.36.22 |
| 20:00.07 | xmoogle | one particular package that needs to install just wont, dpkg keeps segfaulting |
| 20:00.30 | xmoogle | and while i'm a rather geeky girl i have no idea what to do about this error |
| 20:00.36 | george | segfaulting?? at the same place exactly every time? |
| 20:00.51 | Tallu | abrotman, valdyn, thanks a lot to both of you, you've been a great help |
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| 20:01.12 | Tallu | now I just have to call them up and probably switch isps |
| 20:01.20 | peterS | xmoogle: typically it's either a problem with library versions that happen to be installed, or just something hardware-related (motherboard/cpu/memory/power supply) |
| 20:01.23 | abrotman | Tallu: or ask them to not block it |
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| 20:01.45 | xmoogle | "dpkg-deb (subprocess): error in buffer_read(stream): failed to write to pipeline in copy: Input/output error" |
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| 20:02.22 | xmoogle | that's after dpkg is giving a "serious warning" that the files list file for the package is missing and it's gonna assume package has no files currently installed |
| 20:02.29 | Tallu | abrotman: yeah, i doubt they will though |
| 20:02.46 | george | hmm, that's not a segfault, or does it actually segfault after? |
| 20:02.47 | peterS | xmoogle: sounds rather bad, what version of dpkg is this? ('apt-cache policy dpkg' will tell you without having to run dpkg itself) |
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| 20:03.10 | abrotman | doesn't the zaurus run a special distro .. not actually debian ? |
| 20:03.23 | george | ENAD? |
| 20:03.29 | xmoogle | 1.10.28 apparently |
| 20:03.42 | xmoogle | i already tried upgrading dpkg, said it was the newest version |
| 20:04.00 | peterS | xmoogle: yeah that's the latest dpkg on debian stable. hmm. |
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| 20:04.19 | george | xmoogle: so you're running stable? |
| 20:04.49 | george | and what package? |
| 20:05.03 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:05.03 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:05.11 | xmoogle | oh after that error in buffer_read(stream)...it goes "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2", talks about an invalid pointer in hex, then segfaults |
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| 20:05.18 | daeos | abrotman: correct, it is a special distro... my brother has one, so i don't know off the top of my head what it has on it |
| 20:05.26 | Supaplex | apt-get install lithium - keeps sid stable. hehee ;) |
| 20:05.27 | abrotman | is it opie |
| 20:05.28 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:05.30 | xmoogle | george, yes, stable, and xfonts-75dpi |
| 20:05.37 | odla | if i need a signing program to run debuild...gpg or pgp...which gpg package is it that i need? apt-cache search shows a lot of gpg packages |
| 20:05.50 | abrotman | gnupg isn't it ? |
| 20:06.19 | peterS | yeah, gnupg |
| 20:06.23 | odla | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:06.25 | odla | peterS: thank |
| 20:06.27 | odla | s |
| 20:06.31 | peterS | odla: you can use 'debuild -us -uc' and then you don't need gnupg |
| 20:06.56 | odla | peterS: ok...i'm just building it locally anyways so shouldn't need to sign it anyways |
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| 20:07.22 | peterS | odla: right. if you aren't the maintainer of the package (your email isn't in the latest entry of debian/changelog), the signing part won't work without a special flag anyway |
| 20:07.33 | odla | peterS: ok...thanks! |
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| 20:08.18 | george | how does the signing work for a nmu? |
| 20:08.49 | peterS | george: you put your own email address in the NMU changelog entry, and dpkg-buildpackage / debuild sees it there and calls gnupg with the correct key argument |
| 20:09.23 | peterS | george: if you do need to sign a package whose changelog doesn't have your own email in it, you can use 'debsign' to do so after the fact |
| 20:09.30 | abrotman | or you have to steal the real maintainers key! :) |
| 20:09.36 | Phated | Heh. |
| 20:09.37 | peterS | (debsign, as well as debuild, is in 'devscripts') |
| 20:09.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: or buy them? |
| 20:09.49 | peterS | abrotman: nah, no need, just add the real maintainer's email address to your own key |
| 20:09.58 | daeos | abrotman: opie, yes |
| 20:10.06 | george | steal a keal |
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| 20:10.10 | abrotman | peterS: don't you need the private part? |
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| 20:10.34 | peterS | abrotman: you can add any name and email you want to your key. gpg doesn't know which ones are actually yours. |
| 20:10.36 | abrotman | peterS: wait .. don't answer that .. i don't want to know anything about DD's private parts! |
| 20:10.43 | george | it has to rhyme or I'm not sublime |
| 20:11.03 | peterS | abrotman: what you can't do is forge signatures from other people who certify that you really _are_ J. Random DebianDeveloper. |
| 20:11.09 | george | then don't watch Stern's moovee |
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| 20:11.32 | odla | anyone know how to do a 'run command' from wmaker? i've tried alt+f2, alt+esc...but nada |
| 20:11.37 | mahognyy | how do I find out what /dev my windows partition is on? |
| 20:11.46 | tarzeau | odla: just open a terminal |
| 20:11.49 | peterS | mahognyy: try 'fdisk -l' for a start |
| 20:11.51 | tarzeau | odla: there used to be a menu |
| 20:11.55 | peterS | mahognyy: that will usually give you enough of a clue |
| 20:11.58 | tarzeau | odla: and also the exit entries used to be on the bottom |
| 20:12.05 | tarzeau | odla: but i can't for the sake of menu find out how |
| 20:12.27 | odla | tarzeau: i want to run oclock or have a clock applet but i don't want a term open |
| 20:12.38 | tarzeau | odla: then say oclock & disown |
| 20:12.54 | tarzeau | odla: then dock the appicon to the dock, close the terminal |
| 20:13.09 | DaFresh | hi all, anyone use pure-ftpd-ldap here ? because since de last upgrade, the ldap auth wont works, i've try a lot of things but all fails ... |
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| 20:13.25 | tarzeau | DaFresh: check BTS? |
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| 20:14.46 | Administrator__ | today is the day that i'm not a virigin anymore! |
| 20:14.51 | Administrator__ | just wanted to tell ppl |
| 20:15.02 | ToxicSun | are you being serious |
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| 20:15.04 | DaFresh | tarzeau, it's done, a very old report (2 years old) talk about that, but it was working before the upgrade |
| 20:15.12 | Administrator__ | yes yes yes I'm |
| 20:15.19 | abrotman | animals don't count |
| 20:15.20 | ToxicSun | how old are you |
| 20:15.25 | Administrator__ | 18 |
| 20:15.30 | ToxicSun | its not cheating cause its your dog, abrotman |
| 20:15.35 | ToxicSun | ok, thats not so bad |
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| 20:15.48 | Administrator__ | what where you thinking? 30++? |
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| 20:15.54 | ToxicSun | basically |
| 20:15.58 | abrotman | i was thinking .. i just don't care :) |
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| 20:16.01 | ToxicSun | i had my fingers crossed |
| 20:16.05 | ToxicSun | that too |
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| 20:16.19 | xingu | I'm glad he didn't, he might've dislocated his wrist |
| 20:16.25 | george | you can't unvirgin yourself with your fingers crossed! |
| 20:16.37 | pumpkin0 | Administrator__: i was more thinking about how #debian got you into not being a virgin ... |
| 20:16.55 | mahognyy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:17.19 | Administrator__ | pumpkin0, spending to much time behind it |
| 20:17.26 | Administrator__ | well |
| 20:17.30 | ToxicSun | you might not be able to unvirgin yourself with your fingers crossed |
| 20:17.35 | sparr | its not rape if you yell "surprise" |
| 20:17.41 | ToxicSun | but you could use it as foreplay to unvirgin a lady friend |
| 20:17.47 | ToxicSun | hahaha |
| 20:17.50 | spahija | is there somekind of software that can help me to stop/show services in etch ?? |
| 20:18.01 | Administrator__ | alchol and pot is great way to enter chicks /dev/vagina |
| 20:18.02 | pumpkin0 | spahija: apart from ps ? |
| 20:18.10 | h3sp4wn | spahija: sysv-rc-conf |
| 20:18.11 | sparr | spahija: the services manager in kde |
| 20:18.23 | spahija | pumpkin0, its in apt ? |
| 20:18.36 | Supaplex | Administrator__: ready for the daddy part? :) |
| 20:18.50 | abrotman | Administrator__: okay .. you can stop now |
| 20:18.50 | Administrator__ | no, i pulled it out in time |
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| 20:18.53 | george | daddy at 19... |
| 20:18.56 | pumpkin0 | spahija: open a console and run "ps ax". |
| 20:19.00 | mahognyy | peter: hmm fdisk -l didn't echo anything |
| 20:19.05 | Supaplex | Administrator__: what if you didn't? |
| 20:19.06 | ToxicSun | haha |
| 20:19.12 | abrotman | mahognyy: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 20:19.23 | george | pulling out is not guaranteed |
| 20:19.23 | xingu | george: "happy 30th grandad" |
| 20:19.26 | ToxicSun | no, they lie administrator, you cant get pregnant your first time |
| 20:19.28 | Administrator__ | Supaplex, then i would ran out of luck |
| 20:19.44 | spahija | pumpkin0, I know how to look for active services ..all I wanted program to help me stop them at boot..thanks |
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| 20:20.00 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 20:20.11 | Supaplex | ToxicSun: nice myth :-p I'm my parents first try! |
| 20:20.21 | ToxicSun | haha are you serious? |
| 20:20.25 | Supaplex | yup |
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| 20:20.45 | ToxicSun | no offense to you but thet must hav esucked for them |
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| 20:20.50 | Administrator__ | your a love child? |
| 20:20.59 | Administrator__ | 'love''' |
| 20:20.59 | ToxicSun | i mean everyone wants to have time to experiment |
| 20:21.01 | abrotman | you're |
| 20:21.10 | Skaag | is there a way to tell ssh or rsync to come out of a different ip on a box with multiple ip addresses? |
| 20:21.18 | Supaplex | you could say that :) |
| 20:21.23 | ToxicSun | ahaha this is turning into loveline |
| 20:21.24 | mahognyy | not getting any clues, how do I at least find out the dev of the linux system? |
| 20:21.27 | abrotman | Skaag: you mean route a protocol ? |
| 20:21.28 | ToxicSun | or "debiansextalk" |
| 20:21.32 | Skaag | whoah, I remember supaplex, great game |
| 20:21.34 | abrotman | mahognyy: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 20:21.44 | george | ToxicSun: that don mean shit bub... either you're wearing your raincoat or you takes you chances :) |
| 20:21.45 | pumpkin0 | Skaag: -b IP |
| 20:21.57 | cahoot | abrotman: you bother about the gramatics in this flood of drivel? |
| 20:22.01 | ToxicSun | hey, my raincoats break a lot of the time |
| 20:22.02 | Skaag | abrotman: not nessecarily routing the entire protocol... just the specific instance. |
| 20:22.03 | pumpkin0 | mahognyy: "mount" |
| 20:22.03 | mahognyy | Disk /dev/hda doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 20:22.05 | abrotman | cahoot: some of them :) |
| 20:22.07 | Skaag | pumpkin0: thanks, giving it atry. |
| 20:22.11 | ToxicSun | im starting to think not using the right size, george |
| 20:22.12 | abrotman | mahognyy: try sda |
| 20:22.21 | midgetspy | pumpkin0: are you around? my connection dropped last night when you were talking me through re-installing my boot loader |
| 20:22.23 | Skaag | i'm running an eclipse mirror, they open access to specific ip addresses |
| 20:22.24 | mahognyy | nothing |
| 20:22.24 | ToxicSun | so even that isnt the end all be all |
| 20:22.31 | george | right |
| 20:22.36 | mahognyy | no echo |
| 20:22.37 | pumpkin0 | midgetspy: yes, iīm still here for about 15 mins. |
| 20:22.45 | abrotman | mahognyy: what drives do you have in your box ? |
| 20:22.47 | midgetspy | i've mounted the drive, chrooted to the mountpoint, mounted the file system, and grub-install /dev/hda |
| 20:22.47 | xingu | Skaag: for rsync, --address= |
| 20:22.59 | midgetspy | grub-install finished and says no errors - what's next? |
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| 20:23.05 | pumpkin0 | midgetspy: reboot. |
| 20:23.18 | mahognyy | abrotman: manufacturer? |
| 20:23.25 | abrotman | mahognyy: no |
| 20:23.28 | minerale | I'm looking at ways to distribute my home directory rc files (.vim/ folder, .zshrc etc) across many computers, has anyone done it? if so how? rsync/cvs/svn/simple scp |
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| 20:23.53 | abrotman | mahognyy: dmesg | grep drive |
| 20:24.13 | abrotman | mahognyy: paste it somewhere |
| 20:24.14 | abrotman | !paster |
| 20:24.14 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:24.35 | nkuttler | minerale: scp, rsync... depends what you want exactly |
| 20:24.49 | Supaplex | or cat /proc/partitions |
| 20:24.51 | mahognyy | abrotman: thanks, there I found all the partitions |
| 20:24.56 | abrotman | yu did ? |
| 20:25.34 | mahognyy | it has hdg |
| 20:25.39 | minerale | nkuttler: a whole bunch or different rc files, .vim - config files etc to be shared by all systems, if I edit a file in one place it's shared everywhere else |
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| 20:25.52 | midgetspy | pumpkin0: "Grub loading... Error 18" |
| 20:25.54 | DaFresh | tarzeau, do you use it ? |
| 20:26.47 | tarzeau | DaFresh: use what? |
| 20:27.06 | tarzeau | !ftp |
| 20:27.06 | dpkg | it has been said that ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 20:27.11 | tarzeau | DaFresh: man, no i don't use pure-ftpd |
| 20:27.12 | nkuttler | minerale: i heard unison can do that. no idea how it handles conflicts though. |
| 20:27.16 | phpnuborn | http://desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5816278551.html |
| 20:27.19 | pumpkin0 | midgetspy: are you sure you only installed windows and did not crashed/deleted/changed other stuff as well ? |
| 20:27.21 | DaFresh | tarzeau, okay |
| 20:27.22 | tarzeau | i used to use proftpd, and now vs-ftpd . IF it really must be |
| 20:27.34 | phpnuborn | oh well 2nd place ain't bad |
| 20:28.31 | midgetspy | pumpkin0: windows? i have changed nothing on this drive at all. it has sarge installed only and since the failure i've only restored the partition table with gpart and now am trying to get it to boot |
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| 20:29.19 | pumpkin0 | midgetspy: sorry, i was mixing up problems ... |
| 20:29.23 | midgetspy | no problem |
| 20:29.31 | abrotman | ancestor .. wtf |
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| 20:29.53 | pumpkin0 | midgetspy: are you sure the partitiontable is OK and does fsck say the main-partition is OK ? |
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| 20:30.26 | midgetspy | pumpkin0: the partition table has / and /swap on it and i can mount / and read all the files with no problems |
| 20:30.29 | midgetspy | I will try fsck now |
| 20:30.38 | pumpkin0 | midgetspy: umount first ! |
| 20:30.44 | Coke | Why would lsof /dev/dsp give me "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev" ? |
| 20:31.00 | midgetspy | pumpkin0: before fsck? |
| 20:31.23 | pumpkin0 | minerale: unionfs can do it and it handles conflics in a very resonable way. BUT it will fail if multiple people are using that setup at the same time. |
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| 20:31.36 | pumpkin0 | midgetspy: yes. Always umount before fsckīing. |
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| 20:32.09 | devinx | hehe |
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| 20:32.44 | beardy | karsten: ... |
| 20:33.36 | pumpkin0 | Coke: that file is inside the udev-fs. Itīs all right .. |
| 20:33.43 | midgetspy | pumpkin0: e2fsck says / is clean |
| 20:34.09 | pumpkin0 | midgetspy: add "-f" so it really checks things. |
| 20:34.15 | beardy | karsten: oh, nevermind |
| 20:34.18 | jair | how can I see the version of debian I am running? beside "/cat /proc/version"? |
| 20:34.44 | beardy | !version |
| 20:34.44 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 20:34.44 | beardy | jair: ^^^ |
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| 20:36.09 | midgetspy | pumpkin0: yep no errors reported |
| 20:36.17 | jair | beardy: thank you very much |
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| 20:36.45 | pumpkin0 | midgetspy: OK... and the BIOS reports the drive like it did before ? |
| 20:36.51 | midgetspy | yes |
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| 20:37.25 | odla | if i want to have my ipod automounted and i'm not using kde or gnome what do i need to install? just hal? |
| 20:37.32 | odla | i want to use gtkpod with it |
| 20:37.37 | abrotman | ivman ? |
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| 20:38.20 | beardy | jair: You're very welcome. |
| 20:38.43 | odla | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:38.45 | pumpkin0 | midgetspy: very strange, sorry, i donīt know why that happens. my guess is that grub somehow tries to load from the wrong device. But i donīt know howto check/fix that. |
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| 20:39.20 | Flimzy | I just compiled a 2.6.18.1 kernel w/ kernel-package, and when I try to install it, it complains "Missing Required paramater 'Old' at /var/lib/dpkg/linux-image-2.6.18.1.postinst line 393." Any idea what the problem is? |
| 20:39.35 | abrotman | what is line 393 ? |
| 20:39.35 | midgetspy | pumpkin0: hmm, ok thank you. I will see if I can find any solutions on the net |
| 20:39.41 | midgetspy | thanks for all your help so far |
| 20:39.54 | Flimzy | abrotman: die "Missing Required paramater 'Old'" unless $params{'Old'}; |
| 20:40.29 | abrotman | Flimzy: paste the whole postinst somewhere |
| 20:40.30 | abrotman | !paster |
| 20:40.30 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:40.54 | odla | What group do I need to be in to use ivman? |
| 20:41.29 | Flimzy | abrotman: sure. http://narnia.flimzy.com/~jonhall/linux-image-2.6.18.1.postinst |
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| 20:41.53 | abrotman | line numbers would have been good :) |
| 20:42.09 | Flimzy | abrotman: hrmph. let me find a pastebin I can dump it to, then :) |
| 20:42.21 | abrotman | Flimzy: i think i found it .. |
| 20:42.21 | odla | Plugdev should be enough for ivman right? |
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| 20:42.29 | Flimzy | abrotman: okay |
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| 20:43.47 | abrotman | Flimzy: my perl is rusty .. can you print %params ? |
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| 20:44.04 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
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| 20:44.19 | asdzxc | hi |
| 20:44.30 | abrotman | Flimzy: it seems that %params should be holding an array of strings .. and Old should be in there but it isn't |
| 20:44.36 | asdzxc | is it possible to raise limit on opened files for a running process ? |
| 20:44.41 | asdzxc | for example for apache |
| 20:44.50 | peterS | Flimzy: I can't directly answer your question, but I note that newish 2.6 kernels have caused difficulties for kernel-package such that you want to make sure to have the latest kernel-package installed. do you? |
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| 20:45.44 | Flimzy | peterS: I have the latest _testing_ version... I just found a bug report that suggest 10.063 may fix my problem, which is apparantly only in unstable. I'll try an explicit install of that version. |
| 20:45.50 | asdzxc | OR |
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| 20:46.00 | asdzxc | how can i raise the default limit on opened files ? (ulimit -n) |
| 20:46.07 | peterS | yeah |
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| 20:46.17 | asdzxc | every process which i run has limit 1024 |
| 20:46.20 | abrotman | or you can have peterS hack your perl! |
| 20:46.40 | peterS | abrotman: hey, if manoj has already fixed the bug (yes, the changelog does indicate that 10.063 has such a fix), why would I? |
| 20:46.59 | abrotman | peterS: for love? profit? infamy? |
| 20:47.03 | peterS | ha |
| 20:47.17 | abrotman | do it for the girls! .. groupies! |
| 20:47.45 | abrotman | /nick peterS_Groupie |
| 20:47.49 | peterS | abrotman: last time I met Flimzy he didn't provide me with any girls or groupies. so that's probably a wash |
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| 20:48.12 | abrotman | peterS: maybe if you do this little favor for him ... |
| 20:48.12 | beardy | There's nor girls in this? |
| 20:48.24 | beardy | What are we doing here then? |
| 20:48.39 | abrotman | watching your beard grow ? |
| 20:48.49 | Flimzy | well unstable's kernel-pacakge 10.064 installed cleanly... I'll see if it builds a good deb now |
| 20:48.53 | beardy | Yeah.. and your ab rot.. |
| 20:49.08 | peterS | pwned |
| 20:49.20 | sayotte | I don't see utils/initramfs-tools in aptitude, even after an update--- if I download the package from packages.debian.org and install it, will aptitude be aware of its install and dependencies ? |
| 20:49.33 | sayotte | or is there a better way to go about this? |
| 20:49.42 | beardy | I have to stop cutting it then.. |
| 20:50.01 | daeos | abrotman: with passwd, how would i change another login's password using sudo |
| 20:50.04 | jelly-home | asdzxc: ulimit -n ? |
| 20:50.13 | beardy | daeos: passwd user |
| 20:50.18 | sayotte | daeos: sudo passwd username |
| 20:50.19 | daeos | thats it? |
| 20:50.23 | beardy | daeos: man passwd |
| 20:50.25 | Flimzy | peterS: Still working at WSU? |
| 20:50.25 | daeos | thats simple LOL |
| 20:50.26 | daeos | i did |
| 20:50.26 | pumpkin0 | sayotte: yes it will be aware of that package. But itīs simpler to fix your /etc/apt/sources.lst ... |
| 20:50.27 | daeos | but... |
| 20:50.32 | daeos | it didn't say that it would prompt for the new one |
| 20:50.46 | peterS | Flimzy: sorta. I still do a bit of stuff for a guy in the psych department, but not very much |
| 20:51.00 | Flimzy | peterS: I see. What is your main line of employment as of late? |
| 20:51.02 | sayotte | pumpkin0: man apt will tell me more about sources.1st ? |
| 20:51.33 | peterS | Flimzy: good question. I don't have a steady income, that's sort of a work in progress. I have enough savings that I've been a bit lazy about it all |
| 20:51.34 | beardy | sayotte: about sources.list, yes, very likely 'man 5 sources.list' aswell |
| 20:51.46 | Flimzy | peterS: Ah, fun. |
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| 20:52.04 | sayotte | oh, list |
| 20:52.13 | sayotte | I read it as (numeral one)st |
| 20:52.18 | Flimzy | peterS: I just started a job in Hutchinson. Working with... OMG, Linux! |
| 20:52.30 | beardy | sayotte: Ah, no, it's an L |
| 20:52.35 | peterS | Flimzy: in hutch? are you still living in wichita, or did you move to be closer? |
| 20:52.40 | pumpkin0 | sayotte: looking at the file will already give you some hints. |
| 20:52.49 | sayotte | thanks for the lead guys :) |
| 20:53.11 | Flimzy | peterS: Still living in ICT @ Harry & Oliver. I will probably move to west ICT once my probationary period is up. All my friends & church are still in ICT, so I don't really want to leave. |
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| 20:53.24 | peterS | Flimzy: right.. |
| 20:53.32 | daeos | how do you list current users? all of them |
| 20:53.38 | peterS | that's a long commute |
| 20:53.46 | peterS | 50 minutes? |
| 20:53.48 | Flimzy | daeos: that depends on how you define 'users' and 'current' |
| 20:53.54 | abrotman | getent passwd |
| 20:53.55 | Flimzy | peterS: About 56 minutes from door to door. |
| 20:54.24 | Flimzy | peterS: If I lived off K-96 on the west side, it would save 10-15 mins each way |
| 20:54.27 | peterS | so, 2 hours a day where you can't do anything but keep your eyes on the road. definitely move to west ict if you can (: |
| 20:54.30 | peterS | yeah |
| 20:54.52 | beardy | "3rd Berkeley Distribution woody GETENT(1)" |
| 20:54.55 | Flimzy | I do enjoy driving. It would be better if my radio got reception the whole way to Hutch, tho :) |
| 20:54.59 | beardy | the sarge manpage for getent says |
| 20:55.00 | peterS | hehe |
| 20:55.10 | peterS | Flimzy: I bet you can get 90.1 the whole way, since they're _in_ hutch |
| 20:55.12 | Flimzy | And by burning veggie oil in my car, the commute doesn't cost much |
| 20:55.17 | abrotman | that's right .. K-96 Haymaker! |
| 20:55.53 | beardy | And.. how does getent passwd differ from cat passwd? |
| 20:56.05 | Skaag | but doesn't your car smell like a mcDonalds after a while? |
| 20:56.09 | CharminTheMoose | what is the chmod option to make a directory writeable but not readable? |
| 20:56.11 | peterS | beardy: getent works whether your passwd database is served up from a file or via LDAP or via NIS or whatnot |
| 20:56.24 | Skaag | CharminTheMoose: chmod +w |
| 20:56.37 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: together with -r (for not readable) |
| 20:56.45 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: the digit is 3, so chmod 333 or chmod 733 or chmod 730 or whatever |
| 20:56.57 | beardy | peterS: Ah. (almost there is a cause for things in *nix yes, especially Debian) |
| 20:57.03 | beardy | almost +always |
| 20:57.29 | peterS | beardy: getent uses the same code that applications use to read account names, yeah |
| 20:57.48 | peterS | however, it might or might not return each account in the same order 'cat /etc/passwd' does |
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| 20:58.03 | CharminTheMoose | thanks pumpkin0 |
| 20:58.24 | Teller | Hi! I just read http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and that's *exactly* what I'm looking for.. Just that the versions in it is a bit old |
| 20:58.31 | MatBoy | I need some info about drbd 0.8. It's in Debian Etch already, but is it already stable enough ? It seems to be working OK from what I hear. |
| 20:58.36 | Teller | If I get a more recent version of debian, will that document still be valid ? |
| 20:58.41 | Teller | As far as packages are concerned |
| 20:59.28 | beardy | peterS: And it doesn't seem to be more helpful when looking at what "real" users actually exist, than cat. grep have to be used in both cases (?) |
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| 21:00.06 | peterS | beardy: something like that. real users usually start at 1000 in debian, so you'd want to grep out 1-digit, 2-digit and 3-digit UIDs |
| 21:00.21 | beardy | IIRc there is a factoid.. |
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| 21:00.29 | beardy | which says exactly that |
| 21:00.30 | MatBoy | peterS, Not only in Debian |
| 21:00.48 | peterS | MatBoy: some OSes produce users starting at 100 or 101 or 500 |
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| 21:01.10 | Teller | What I mean is, if I get the current version of debian, will I still be able to follow http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and have a working system when I'm done? |
| 21:01.20 | beardy | !list users |
| 21:01.21 | dpkg | This lists all user accounts with id 1000-1999: getent passwd | awk 'BEGIN { FS = ":"; } /:x:1[0-9][0-9][0-9]:/ { print $1; }' |
| 21:01.27 | beardy | And look at this, haha.. |
| 21:01.34 | MatBoy | peterS, depends on. I have seen it on CentOS starting et 500, but with webmin installed it started on 1000. That was not Webmin that did it |
| 21:01.35 | beardy | !factinfo list users |
| 21:01.35 | dpkg | list users -- last modified at Fri Nov 18 23:47:47 2005 by beardy!n=beardy@unaffiliated/beardy; it has been requested 3 times, last by beardy, 15s ago. |
| 21:01.47 | abrotman | i start mine at 65535 |
| 21:01.49 | abrotman | erm .. wiat |
| 21:02.05 | peterS | abrotman: yeah but you're a nobody |
| 21:02.14 | abrotman | i realized that after i said that |
| 21:02.31 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's 65534 |
| 21:02.34 | MatBoy | a nobody can't talk :P |
| 21:02.34 | abrotman | oh well |
| 21:02.54 | Skaag | nobody calls abrotman a nobody without messing with me |
| 21:02.57 | beardy | I guess I can't remember everything I do within a year.. |
| 21:03.21 | abrotman | yeah .. or something |
| 21:03.28 | Skaag | ;-) |
| 21:03.46 | Skaag | as if i condone the use or possession of weapons |
| 21:03.48 | MatBoy | beardy, stealing is also not allowed :P |
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| 21:05.33 | beardy | MatBoy: We can argue about what is best in this case. |
| 21:05.44 | abrotman | shooting me == bad .. mmkay ? |
| 21:05.51 | MatBoy | beardy, taking it away it a good idea ! |
| 21:06.07 | MatBoy | beardy, don't give it to Bush :) |
| 21:06.08 | Skaag | abrotman: i was going to shoot the people who called you nobody, not you. |
| 21:06.13 | beardy | abrotman: Yes, he was going to protect you though.. |
| 21:06.17 | abrotman | oh yeah |
| 21:06.26 | MatBoy | Skaag, that is talking after it |
| 21:06.28 | abrotman | don't shoot peterS .. |
| 21:06.33 | Skaag | ;-) |
| 21:06.35 | MatBoy | Skaag, you are like Bush ;) |
| 21:06.35 | mahognyy | where is IP configuration set, not /etc/rc.conf? |
| 21:06.48 | Skaag | mahognyy: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:07.02 | Skaag | MatBoy: oh god, don't say that please |
| 21:07.16 | mahognyy | thnx |
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| 21:07.20 | MatBoy | Skaag, yeah, but he also talks after every move that he made :P |
| 21:07.22 | beardy | MatBoy: That would never happen. But let's stop before we get too offtopic or political.. |
| 21:07.24 | Skaag | the only bush I like, is my wife's |
| 21:07.34 | erore | I install xorg instead of xfree and aptitude uninstalled the kernel, really nice :-/ |
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| 21:07.57 | MatBoy | beardy, I won't... there has been spoken too much about it |
| 21:08.03 | beardy | erore: In unstable? |
| 21:08.03 | george | erore: don't reboot!! :) |
| 21:08.14 | Teller | What is this 'sarge' really? |
| 21:08.21 | beardy | !sarge |
| 21:08.21 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 21:08.22 | erore | beardy: in sarge, stable! |
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| 21:08.28 | george | out ranks a private |
| 21:08.32 | beardy | erore: No xorg there. |
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| 21:08.42 | Jymmm | Would someone mind apt-get install ntop and see if they can access it via http://localhost:3000 ? This used to work before sarge. |
| 21:08.47 | erore | erore: installed from testing packages |
| 21:08.57 | Teller | How can I find out what version a specific package is in Sarge ? |
| 21:09.02 | erore | beardy: installed from testing packages |
| 21:09.06 | ToxicSun | guys do you know if i have an older cell phone with no service can i use a phone card on it? |
| 21:09.10 | beardy | erore: Never mix repositories. |
| 21:09.13 | *** join/#debian nehoksan (n=nehoksan@i577BF6C2.versanet.de) |
| 21:09.13 | ToxicSun | or dial 1800/911 calls |
| 21:09.16 | nehoksan | !gnaa |
| 21:09.18 | beardy | erore: Use a backport if you have to. |
| 21:09.20 | beardy | !backports |
| 21:09.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 21:09.24 | nehoksan | hi |
| 21:09.42 | Jymmm | ToxicSun: In the US, only 911 calls without paying for monthly service |
| 21:09.44 | beardy | nehoksan: Do you want to ge shown out? |
| 21:09.47 | beardy | be |
| 21:09.49 | george | it would be an erore to mix repos like that... |
| 21:09.53 | nehoksan | why beardy? :-) |
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| 21:09.55 | ToxicSun | oh ok thanks jymm |
| 21:10.12 | erore | well I needen new openoffice suite on sarge what other way to install it... |
| 21:10.13 | Jymmm | ToxicSun: And that's per FCC regulations. |
| 21:10.17 | ToxicSun | yup |
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| 21:10.26 | ToxicSun | so its universal |
| 21:10.28 | ToxicSun | in the US |
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| 21:10.51 | Jymmm | ToxicSun: Yes, but calling card still goes thru their services, so you can't use a calling card. |
| 21:10.55 | abrotman | nehoksan: go away |
| 21:11.04 | ToxicSun | gotcha |
| 21:11.04 | nehoksan | why abrotman? :-) |
| 21:11.09 | abrotman | damn troll |
| 21:11.16 | nehoksan | troll? |
| 21:11.17 | nehoksan | why abrotman? :-) |
| 21:11.24 | Skaag_ | argh |
| 21:11.34 | abrotman | i hope versanet cancels your account |
| 21:11.36 | george | can we +q the whyer |
| 21:11.44 | nehoksan | ??? |
| 21:11.46 | nehoksan | why?? |
| 21:11.51 | Skaag_ | lol |
| 21:11.53 | Flimqy | After a dist-upgrade, X11 won't start... it complains that it cannot load the module "nvidia"... I just installed a new 2.6.18.1 kernel hoping that would fix it, but it didn't. the nvidia kernel module _is_ loaded (according to lsmod). What else might I try? |
| 21:11.58 | MatBoy | nehoksan, look into the mirror ? |
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| 21:12.05 | gpm | hey all, this is a dumb question but i'm using dyndns.org's dynamic dns and i'm wondering if my domain there is example.dyndns.com and i want to set up an mx record (just one, all services for this server are on one box) what should i write? |
| 21:12.06 | weggpod | hy all |
| 21:12.09 | weggpod | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.13 | nehoksan | dont get discriminating, MatBoy |
| 21:12.26 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: it's an nvidia kernel module that came from nvidia-glx? |
| 21:12.33 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: or from the nvidia installer? |
| 21:12.34 | gpm | i keep getting "The MX entered did not resolve or resolved to a CNAME." |
| 21:12.38 | abrotman | gpm: ask #dns |
| 21:12.40 | MatBoy | nehoksan, just a sugestion... I have the same problem after a lot of beer :D |
| 21:12.45 | Flimqy | Skaag: It's the one I built with make-kpkg modules-image |
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| 21:12.59 | Flimqy | Skaag: Which I guess comes from nvidia-kernel-source, right? |
| 21:13.03 | george | !ops nehoksan is troll from last night or so |
| 21:13.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: george complains about: nehoksan is troll from last night or so |
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| 21:13.12 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: that wouldn't be nvidia then, it would be called 'nv' |
| 21:13.24 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: there are, to my knowledge, two ways to get the 'nvidia' module: |
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| 21:13.32 | Flimqy | Hmm... I haven't modified my xorg.conf... I'll try changing it to 'nv' and see what happens, tho |
| 21:13.32 | weggpod | someone can help me? |
| 21:13.35 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: the first and simplest is installing nvidia-glx |
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| 21:13.45 | MatBoy | peterS, pay attention !! :) |
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| 21:13.51 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: the second, is to use the nvidia installer, which compiles it for your platform |
| 21:14.00 | abrotman | can't we jsut ban all of versanet? |
| 21:14.04 | abrotman | he'll be back in five minutes |
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| 21:14.09 | Flimqy | Skaagg_: Well that started X anyway... not sure why it worked before but not now. Glad it was easy :) |
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| 21:14.13 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: problem with the second method is that after you upgrade X or the kernel, you need to re-install it (recompile) |
| 21:14.13 | Flimqy | Skaag: thanks |
| 21:14.13 | MatBoy | abrotman, what is the problem with versanet ? |
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| 21:14.31 | abrotman | MatBoy: that guy has been a nuisance for a few weeks |
| 21:14.37 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: what started it? |
| 21:14.40 | OmnipotentEntity | Quick dumb question, does anyone know which package contains the java AWT gtk toolkit? |
| 21:14.48 | OmnipotentEntity | Or how to find out? |
| 21:14.48 | Flimqy | Skaag: by changing xorg.conf to 'nv' it allowed X to start |
| 21:14.52 | MatBoy | abrotman, didn't know that. Is he on a dail-in-connection ? |
| 21:14.57 | abrotman | OmnipotentEntity: ask #debian-java |
| 21:15.00 | OmnipotentEntity | ok |
| 21:15.26 | adamt | on gentoo hitting page-up after writing a few chars in bash would use the .bash_history to jump to the last command that started with the same chars... how do i enable this on debian? |
| 21:15.30 | daeos | how do you get a list of all users, that has access to log in? so i may find what the usernames are... im trying to reset the password of a user and when using their name for their home folder, i get an error, so im assuming they have another username other than their home folder |
| 21:15.33 | adamt | (sorry for the bad explanation) |
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| 21:15.34 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: yes, that's probably the one you meant, standard |
| 21:15.51 | abrotman | daeos: huh ? passwd <user> |
| 21:15.54 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: but I do recommend the better 'nvidia' module if you get the time |
| 21:15.55 | peterS | adamt: never heard of that feature - perhaps it is a gentoo patch? check to see how they do it, I guess |
| 21:16.16 | AnyFile | What is the usal used amil trasport agent? (the easiest to use for a computer that have not to deliver mail, but only use it locally) |
| 21:16.17 | adamt | damn.. |
| 21:16.24 | OmnipotentEntity | abrotman, that channel seems to be dead. Do you know how I can determine this for myself? |
| 21:16.26 | adamt | it was a nice feature :-) |
| 21:16.28 | abrotman | doesn't ksh do that |
| 21:16.41 | Skaag_ | OmnipotentEntity: I suggest you install apt-file |
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| 21:16.47 | Flimqy | skaag_: What is better about it? |
| 21:16.48 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 21:16.49 | zamaliphe | is their is an easy way to install aiglx in debian ?like "apt-get aiglx" ? |
| 21:16.49 | abrotman | OmnipotentEntity: try the one on OFTC .. i keep forgetting everyone moved |
| 21:16.53 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: faster |
| 21:16.57 | daeos | abrotman: i don't know the user name |
| 21:16.59 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: WAY faster |
| 21:16.59 | abrotman | Skaag_: won't be much help for him |
| 21:17.03 | adamt | zamaliphe: aiglx is a xorg-7 module.. |
| 21:17.04 | abrotman | daeos: what do you know ? |
| 21:17.06 | daeos | abrotman: thats what im saying |
| 21:17.08 | adamt | it's a part of xorg |
| 21:17.15 | daeos | abrotman: his home folder name |
| 21:17.20 | Flimqy | Skaag_: Hrm. Well I guess I'll look into it. I have a feeling 'nvidia' is the one I want... and is the faster one. |
| 21:17.36 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: exactly. just install the pkg: nvidia-glx |
| 21:17.37 | abrotman | daeos: doesn't his /home/<blah>/ match his username ? |
| 21:17.45 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: normally that should do the trick. |
| 21:17.46 | Flimqy | Skaag_: I have nvidia-glx installed. |
| 21:17.47 | OmnipotentEntity | Skaag_, thanks, I forgot I had it installed. :X |
| 21:17.50 | daeos | abrotman: no |
| 21:17.58 | daeos | abrotman: passwd gives me a user not found error |
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| 21:18.00 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: try a --reinstall then? |
| 21:18.01 | Flimqy | Skaag_: But the module isn't there... the module comes from the nvidia-kernel-source (or the prebuilt module, which I don't use) |
| 21:18.07 | action09 | hi |
| 21:18.10 | abrotman | daeos: then grep the passwd file for his home dir |
| 21:18.13 | DaBlade | After rebooting, I forgot to choose a different OS in grub. I shut down the computer before it booted Debian (don't give me a lecture on how stupid it is to do that, I already know). Now, it refuses to boot. I think my system suffered hard drive failure, because I only get a rudimentary GRUB screen and Knoppix can't read from the hard drive. |
| 21:18.14 | Flimqy | Skaag_: That module is _installed_. It's just apparantly not loading correctly. |
| 21:18.19 | DaBlade | Can anyone help me out please? |
| 21:18.27 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: weird one..! |
| 21:18.30 | Flimqy | Skaag_: lsmod shows it's loaded. |
| 21:18.36 | Flimqy | Skaag_: But xorg apparantly doesn't like it for some reason |
| 21:19.00 | DaBlade | Hello? |
| 21:19.02 | OmnipotentEntity | DaBlade, do a HDD diag. |
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| 21:19.12 | abrotman | OmnipotentEntity: find them >? |
| 21:19.20 | DaBlade | OmnipotentEntity, with what? |
| 21:19.28 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: it's possible that the stub that X wants to use, relies on different headers than the ones available from your module (a mismatch) |
| 21:19.44 | zamaliphe | adamt: yes but what do i need to make it work with Compiz ? in debian i was reading this how to http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_AIGLX |
| 21:19.50 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: so while some version of the module is loaded, X tries to talk to it in a way it can't support |
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| 21:19.53 | OmnipotentEntity | according to apt-file it was in classpath-common-unzipped, but it didn't fix my problem. It's probably not in the path, so I'mma try changing that. |
| 21:19.55 | Flimqy | Skaag: I'll try manually rmmodding then modprobing again--after the darn thing reboots again |
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| 21:20.12 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: yah you better rmmod the module and try to reinstall it or something |
| 21:20.19 | Flimqy | Skaag: The nvidia module is the same version that was working before, tho... but perhaps the new version off Xorg is br0ked |
| 21:20.24 | OmnipotentEntity | DaBlade, http://www.google.com/search?q=Hard+Drive+diagnostics |
| 21:20.30 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: maybe it can't overwrite the file while it's in memory or something |
| 21:20.31 | k-man | i have 2 drives which i'm using under lvm, i wish to add a third and make it a software raid array.. is there any way to do that without basicaly reformating? |
| 21:20.33 | DaBlade | OmnipotentEntity, I'm on WinXP now. I disconnected my Debian hard drive. |
| 21:20.39 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: perhaps.. |
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| 21:20.55 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: you can always try installing it manually using nvidia's installer ;-0 |
| 21:20.59 | AnyFile | Can i configure exim4 with dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 21:21.07 | Flimqy | Skaag_: No, I don't like pain :P |
| 21:21.07 | Skaag_ | AnyFile: yes |
| 21:21.10 | daeos | abrotman: what syntax would i use? |
| 21:21.23 | Skaag_ | AnyFile: exim4-common is the package, I believe |
| 21:21.35 | abrotman | daeos: what is his home dir ? |
| 21:21.39 | Skaag_ | AnyFile: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-common |
| 21:22.00 | Flimqy | well poop. |
| 21:22.04 | AnyFile | thanks. I think that aptitute has started it already |
| 21:22.22 | mahognyy | I want to install some truetype fonts, I get several different instructions how to do it, can you point me to ONE? |
| 21:22.29 | odla | aptitude is that in response to the 'well poop' comment? |
| 21:22.37 | odla | oops i meant aptitute |
| 21:22.42 | adamt | zamaliphe: mind you, i just killed gentoo yesterday and replaced it with debian.. but on gentoo i just added the aiglx-module to xorg.conf and started beryl (fork of compiz, or something like that..) |
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| 21:24.37 | zamaliphe | adamt: ok i will try |
| 21:24.43 | zamaliphe | adamt: thanks |
| 21:24.45 | vin` | zamaliphe: http://wizah.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-aiglx-compiz.html |
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| 21:25.26 | Mortis_kruuul | http://avemetal.com :P |
| 21:25.29 | AnyFile | What is a small mail program, easy to use from command line? (like pine, but better than the old mail) |
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| 21:25.50 | Teller | pine and mutt are the two leading ones |
| 21:25.51 | daeos | abrotman: you don't mind me msg you the info right? |
| 21:26.15 | beardy | AnyFile: mutt |
| 21:26.35 | AnyFile | since I already knew pine, I will try mutt :-) |
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| 21:26.45 | abrotman | daeos: i responded in /msg |
| 21:27.01 | abrotman | daeos: and for future reference .. please ask first |
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| 21:28.28 | mahognyy | /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb <- equivalent in linux? |
| 21:28.46 | Flimqy | Well it's definately a problem xith xorg 7 |
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| 21:29.40 | abrotman | mahognyy: updatedb |
| 21:29.51 | Teller | or slocate -u |
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| 21:30.43 | zamaliphe | glxinfo: command not found ?!! what pkg have it ? |
| 21:31.06 | vin` | zamaliphe: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:31.26 | gpm | did i just ask a question in here? |
| 21:31.39 | abrotman | gpm: no .. you collided |
| 21:31.46 | gpm | k |
| 21:31.51 | abrotman | <gpm> i keep getting "The MX entered did not resolve or resolved to a CNAME." |
| 21:31.51 | abrotman | <abrotman> gpm: ask #dns |
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| 21:31.56 | abrotman | last thing you said |
| 21:31.58 | gpm | k |
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| 21:32.04 | Flimqy | Grrr |
| 21:32.19 | Flimqy | The only "solution" I've found for my nvidia problem is to run the nvidia installer with a special flag |
| 21:32.22 | Flimqy | I don't want to freaking do that :( |
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| 21:32.42 | action09 | hi |
| 21:32.56 | gpm | well now i can recieve messages fine but when i try sending them out it invariably times out and i get errors in mainlog like this: alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [64.233.163.27] Connection timed out ... any clues? exim4 on etch |
| 21:33.30 | Hoxzer_ | action09: you know In my country there is that 090909 number that you can use when you call abroad |
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| 21:33.53 | Hoxzer_ | k? |
| 21:34.06 | abrotman | Hoxzer_: wtf are you talking about ? |
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| 21:34.10 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: it's not that bad, man |
| 21:34.15 | EnterUserName | can anyone suggest a quick web server which can use functions like rewrite with apache adn env? |
| 21:34.23 | Flimqy | Skaag: there's a -4 revision of the debian nvidia-kernel-source. I'll try that |
| 21:34.25 | abrotman | apache |
| 21:34.30 | Flimqy | I had -1 previously |
| 21:34.34 | Skaag_ | Flimqy: good luck mate |
| 21:34.46 | EnterUserName | lol apache is goign to slow though |
| 21:34.53 | Hoxzer_ | Ketonen Ketonen Ja mYLLYRInen |
| 21:35.03 | Skaag_ | EnterUserName: lighttpd |
| 21:35.11 | EnterUserName | thanx |
| 21:35.30 | Skaag_ | EnterUserName: however..! any web server you don't know how to configure, will perform badly. |
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| 21:35.47 | Skaag_ | EnterUserName: you can tweak apache for performance. |
| 21:35.48 | abrotman | Hoxzer_: then stop talking |
| 21:36.14 | kriebz | since when does gnome-terminal not show the window size wile resizing? |
| 21:36.19 | EnterUserName | Really? hrm.. i need php/mod_basic/rewrite and its using mysql in php any web sites you can refer me to with tweakign apache? |
| 21:36.30 | abrotman | php works with apache and caudium |
| 21:36.41 | abrotman | maybe another one .. thttpd or something |
| 21:36.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:36.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:36.53 | Skaag_ | it works with lighttpd + fastcgi |
| 21:37.08 | abrotman | EnterUserName: why is apache slow ? |
| 21:37.12 | Skaag_ | kriebz: it's a setting |
| 21:37.23 | jelly-home | EnterUserName: the only one that does mod_rewrite is apache I think;. |
| 21:37.28 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 21:37.32 | Skaag_ | EnterUserName: there are tons of pages in google about tweaking apache performance |
| 21:37.40 | EnterUserName | apache is slow cuz its running on a 30MB/200MHZ :) |
| 21:37.48 | EnterUserName | im running it off a nslu2 .. maybe it wont work very well |
| 21:37.50 | Skaag_ | jelly-home: that is not true. lighttpd has rewrite capabilities. |
| 21:37.54 | jelly-home | EnterUserName: choose a less bloated CMS then :-> |
| 21:38.04 | EnterUserName | hehe; ) |
| 21:38.18 | Skaag_ | but I only personally use apache, I like it too much... ;-) |
| 21:38.22 | abrotman | EnterUserName: that should be fine |
| 21:38.39 | EnterUserName | hmm |
| 21:38.42 | abrotman | that's a 200Mhz ARM .. not x86 |
| 21:39.07 | EnterUserName | hmm.. well its timing out im trying to run mythweb on it |
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| 21:39.36 | Skaag_ | you could have another problem if it just times out |
| 21:39.58 | Skaag_ | you can always raise the timeout from the default 120 seconds and see if it's a performance thing |
| 21:40.30 | kriebz | Skaag_: where is this setting, I've looked everywhere but gconf |
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| 21:41.14 | Skaag_ | kriebz: i'm on my ibook now so i can't really check, i use debian at work mostly |
| 21:41.24 | Skaag_ | sorry |
| 21:41.51 | adamt | that's blasphemy |
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| 21:42.04 | kriebz | gnome continually drops nice features trying be grandma friendly |
| 21:42.14 | kriebz | and now it's painful to use |
| 21:42.16 | pipeline | Gnome constantly drops features in order to avoid writing documentation. |
| 21:42.22 | kriebz | lol |
| 21:42.23 | pipeline | Bonobo kicked the shit out of this dbus balderdash |
| 21:42.27 | pipeline | but it was totally undocumented |
| 21:42.37 | kriebz | dbus is nice, but... |
| 21:42.37 | vin` | documentation is gnomore |
| 21:42.38 | pipeline | rather than fix the underlying problem (no docs) they threw the baby out with the bathwater |
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| 21:43.25 | kriebz | if you log in remotely, and run a gnome app, it doesn't find your system dbus, and most apps cry they can't then connect to gconf |
| 21:43.38 | kriebz | talk about brain damage |
| 21:43.41 | kriebz | sorry for ranting |
| 21:44.02 | pipeline | kriebz: err, that's actually never happened to me |
| 21:44.28 | syd67ro | hello. I want a minimal install of debian (no X). I looked in /debian-cd/current/i386, ftp directories and I see that debian has 9 cds. Is it ok if I download only the first cd and then download what I need via apt-get? |
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| 21:44.47 | AnyFile | thank to all for your answer. good night |
| 21:45.01 | pipeline | syd67ro: All you need is the "netinst" disc. |
| 21:45.03 | vin` | syd67ro: sure, you could even get the netinstall |
| 21:45.07 | pipeline | syd67ro: Despite its name, it doesn't require the net to install. |
| 21:45.14 | kriebz | pipeline: ok, so that happens with epiphany, and I'm exagerating |
| 21:45.19 | th0ger | You must have seen this before? apt-get update: Failed to fetch http://... MD5Sum mismatch. |
| 21:45.30 | pipeline | kriebz: epiphany is a whole nother can of braindamage. |
| 21:45.35 | abrotman | th0ger: try another mirror |
| 21:45.41 | pipeline | kriebz: Epiphany *really did* do the "grandma" thing. |
| 21:45.55 | pipeline | kriebz: It was forked from Galeon because Galeon's founder was pissed that the other developers didn't want to strip out all features. |
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| 21:46.19 | pipeline | kriebz: And galeon's founder (epiphany's founder) was better liked by gnome figures. So epiphany is the official gnome browser and galeon is dying a slow death. Gah. |
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| 21:47.03 | Dark_Sun | hi there |
| 21:47.18 | Skaag | Dark_Sun: yo |
| 21:47.30 | abrotman | pipeline: that's not why |
| 21:47.53 | pipeline | abrotman: oh really? You actually believe the party line on that one? :P |
| 21:48.10 | abrotman | pipeline: that galeon wouldn't support the Gnome HIG ? |
| 21:48.18 | abrotman | so they went with the browser that would ? |
| 21:49.01 | pipeline | abrotman: That development came after the decision had already been made. |
| 21:49.10 | abrotman | not quiet |
| 21:49.11 | abrotman | quite |
| 21:49.32 | abrotman | whatever .. you also think windows isn't a memory hog :) |
| 21:49.53 | kriebz | sweet |
| 21:50.01 | kriebz | it doesn't take much to get this crowd riled up |
| 21:50.03 | pipeline | abrotman: Because it's not. We've had this argument, and it really pissed off the chanops. |
| 21:50.26 | abrotman | pipeline: you and i didn't .. i mentioned it .. you carried it on with someone else |
| 21:50.42 | pipeline | abrotman: Fair enough. "It's been hashed out." ? |
| 21:50.52 | abrotman | not by me! |
| 21:50.57 | abrotman | on your mark .. get set .. go! |
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| 21:54.07 | buu | ABROTMAN YOUR MOTHER LOVES WINDOWS |
| 21:54.29 | abrotman | she does |
| 21:54.37 | buu | No no, that wasn't right |
| 21:54.40 | buu | Let's try it again. |
| 21:54.41 | buu | ABROTMAN YOUR MOTHER LOVES WINDOWS |
| 21:54.49 | odla | don't most mothers? |
| 21:54.49 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.52 | abrotman | i don't think i could get her on linux .. she has a hard enough time wiht windows .. and she likes the cutsey things in it |
| 21:55.02 | pipeline | ABROTMAN, your mothre recently purchased windows from a LESS THAN REPUTABLE installer! |
| 21:55.06 | odla | abrotman: ubuntu is cutsey |
| 21:55.13 | abrotman | no .. it came with her laptop |
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| 21:55.31 | abrotman | odla: not that cutesey stuff .. i mean like weird mail programs etc |
| 21:55.46 | odla | she likes bling? |
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| 21:56.08 | gravity | Maybe her laptop is less than reputable? |
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| 21:56.26 | Skaag | maybe she needs an ibook |
| 21:56.47 | abrotman | gravity: it is a toshiba |
| 21:56.57 | abrotman | she won't use a mac either |
| 21:57.07 | x_link | I just have a question. |
| 21:57.11 | argonel | the dreaded toshiba laptop |
| 21:57.17 | x_link | Is it better to take the sides of from the computer ? |
| 21:57.28 | beardy | x_link: Better than what? |
| 21:57.34 | x_link | I thought that it might be a bit cooler if I take of one of the sides. |
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| 21:57.41 | x_link | beardy: Than have them both on. |
| 21:57.43 | beardy | x_link: Dustier aswell. |
| 21:57.47 | x_link | Yeah |
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| 21:58.15 | x_link | I have hdd fans, mobo fan, video card has a fan + I plugged in 2 fans in the machine. |
| 21:58.28 | beardy | x_link: Well, they are meant to be on, if your box gets too hot, perhaps you need to look over the cooling? |
| 21:58.30 | x_link | One on the backside of the chassi, so that it will blow out the hot air. |
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| 21:58.44 | x_link | beardy: It doesn't get to hot. |
| 21:58.47 | x_link | It was just a thought. |
| 21:58.50 | beardy | x_link: And it still gets hot? |
| 21:59.00 | x_link | No no... it was just a thought. |
| 21:59.06 | x_link | ;) |
| 21:59.09 | beardy | x_link: Ok, well, they should be on for the air to flow through the box, so, leave them on. |
| 21:59.52 | x_link | Okey. |
| 22:00.33 | abrotman | x_link: ask #hardware |
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| 22:01.11 | beardy | Or trust me? |
| 22:01.32 | eurisko | h everyone i am trying to mount a another partition with read-write permissions for my user and i can't! |
| 22:01.35 | eurisko | /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ext3 rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 22:01.42 | eurisko | isn't this the correct options? |
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| 22:02.10 | x_link | beardy: I trust you =) |
| 22:02.14 | pipeline | eurisko: perhaps the user doesn't have the right permissions on the mount poin |
| 22:02.47 | eurisko | drwxr-xr-x 2 eurisko root 4096 2006-03-15 19:49 hda1 |
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| 22:05.40 | Arsenick | I have a problem using the ossim repository.. someone already installed ossim with debian package on their repository ??? |
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| 22:05.56 | sandman | Must I run make-kpkg as root? |
| 22:06.13 | h3sp4wn | sandman: or with fakeroot |
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| 22:16.50 | adamt | okay, problems, i can't use dead keys, so i can't write letters with accents.. |
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| 22:22.47 | Red_Cloud | I want to install another linux os and have some logistics questions. Can I use the same same grub partition and swap partition as I currently have for my current debian os? |
| 22:23.24 | Red_Cloud | Boy that question was quite vague |
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| 22:23.52 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: ime, yes |
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| 22:24.29 | Red_Cloud | chemaja will I have to increase the swap partition size? |
| 22:24.46 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: not necessarily |
| 22:24.54 | Red_Cloud | right now it is 2G |
| 22:24.59 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: depends on your needs |
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| 22:25.29 | Red_Cloud | chemaja my needs will probably be minimal as I am only doing the install and build and configuration for learning purposes |
| 22:25.35 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: you'll be find |
| 22:25.39 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: you'll be fine |
| 22:26.06 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: besides, if it's only for learning purposes, you'll soon learn what works and what doesn't ;-) |
| 22:26.15 | sayotte | hmm |
| 22:26.56 | Red_Cloud | chemaga I am thinking of using the debian install CD for use of its partitioner Will I run into any problems? |
| 22:27.59 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: i obviously can't accurately answer that question, but in my experience, d-i is very solid these days |
| 22:28.39 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: i've used the Etch beta d-i to do resizing/creating/destroying of paritions and ext3 filesystems with no dramaas |
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| 22:29.50 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: but if you're a noob, stick with stable (Sarge). |
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| 22:37.20 | Red_Cloud | chemaja I am a continual noob and use etch because it presents me with enough delimnas that I am forced to work with my linux and learn. If not for that I would drift along for years in a gui desktop and not have problems to solve. Plus fellow such as yourself have vaste amounts of experience and knowledge from which I can learn. |
| 22:37.56 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: i see where you're coming from... but there's plenty to learn on a stable box too |
| 22:38.04 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: anyway, your choice of course |
| 22:39.30 | Teller | Then again.. maybe unstable apps isn't the best way to start learning |
| 22:39.34 | Teller | That could possibly be phase 2 |
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| 22:41.22 | lindenle | etch seems pretty polished to me |
| 22:41.32 | lindenle | at least it works compared to edgy |
| 22:41.41 | Red_Cloud | Teller I started out with sarge and found that reading the manual and doing various tasks did not stick with me in my memory. They only stuck with me whenever I absolutely had to be able to use them with a disaster. I never learn anything by doing it right. |
| 22:42.43 | styvy | mostly app code is getting better by the time and imho etch is quite stable |
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| 22:43.24 | Red_Cloud | At any rate I am about to install gentoo so that I can build on my kernel and configure it and the packages. And not lock myself out of my desktop and OS which I use for communication, files, genealogy and stuff. |
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| 22:44.22 | chemaja | Red_Cloud: there's always Debian from Scratch -- but good luck with Gentoo. |
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| 22:44.54 | Red_Cloud | chemaja tell me more about Debian from Scratch |
| 22:45.21 | valdyn | !dfs |
| 22:45.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dfs is Debian From Scratch, is a new unofficial installer for Debian with software raid support and other goodies. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01431.html for details. http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ and Documentation: http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/ |
| 22:46.20 | abrotman | and Distributed File System! |
| 22:46.26 | Red_Cloud | thanks for the links. If I can monkey with debian it would be much more useful than a different linux distro |
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| 22:47.03 | lindenle | Red_Cloud: Debian is the best IMHO |
| 22:48.18 | sayotte | argh |
| 22:48.51 | zood_ | Hey folks, when I plug my wifes ipod nano into our sarge box and try to mount a get "I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified". Any thoughts? |
| 22:48.53 | sayotte | anyone in here have a working system on top of evms? |
| 22:49.18 | pipeline | zood_: it's trying to mount with -t auto. |
| 22:49.18 | lindenle | zood_: what mount command did you use |
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| 22:49.26 | pipeline | zood_: Mount it explicitly as -t vfat |
| 22:49.31 | lindenle | yep |
| 22:49.36 | lindenle | good catch pipeline |
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| 22:50.10 | Red_Cloud | I have been VERY tickled with it. My daughters were messing with linux as undergrads and I was spouting the usual disparaging stuff about offbrand OSs. They finally got me to investigate Linux and after studying the distros I landed on debian. It is now my OS of choice for my home computer. I just need to learn quite a bit more. |
| 22:51.11 | lindenle | Red_Cloud: I switched during the summer between undergrad and grad and never looked back |
| 22:51.27 | lindenle | Red_Cloud: Every once in a while i try other distros but I am usually dissapointed |
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| 22:51.44 | zood_ | pipeline: FAT: invalid media value (0x2f) |
| 22:51.45 | zood_ | VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1. |
| 22:51.51 | zood_ | That's in dmesg |
| 22:52.12 | lindenle | zood_: Are you sure it is sda1? |
| 22:52.24 | lindenle | what does dmesg say when you first plug it in |
| 22:52.34 | pipeline | zood_: there may be partitions other than sda1; there may not be any partitions at all. Tried the sda device? sda2? |
| 22:52.36 | DaBlade | Hello. I was in here earlier asking for help restoring my hard drive. It appears to have broken somehow. I can't boot debian, nor can I read the drive from Knoppix. A rudimentary grub installation is all that works, probably cause it's in the MBR |
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| 22:52.54 | zood_ | lindenle: yah, I can mount our ipod shuffle with no probs using just `mount /media/usb0` |
| 22:53.03 | DaBlade | I've tried the Ultimate Boot CD, which has some recovery tools, but...well... help me please. :) |
| 22:53.29 | DaBlade | Now I'm running a RIPLinux (Recovery disk) livecd. |
| 22:53.31 | pipeline | DaBlade: You can't read the drive? You're pretty fucked. Hope you have backups. |
| 22:53.33 | zood_ | Ahhh okay maybe the nano is partitioned differently than the shuffle? |
| 22:53.35 | pipeline | DaBlade: Try fscking it, first. |
| 22:53.39 | DaBlade | pipeline, erm...no |
| 22:53.46 | lindenle | zood_: ok but sometimes when the usb bus does not reset the drive becomes sdb1 which is not probably consistent with your fstab entry. |
| 22:53.50 | DaBlade | pipeline, okay...how do I do that from a livecd? |
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| 22:54.13 | pipeline | DaBlade: figure out what the device is supposed to be, then run fsck on that device. |
| 22:54.22 | lindenle | zood_: fdisk -l /dev/sad |
| 22:54.33 | lindenle | zood_: lets see the layout |
| 22:54.37 | DaBlade | pipeline, k. |
| 22:54.44 | lindenle | s/sad/sda/ |
| 22:54.58 | zood_ | btw is pastebin.com broken? |
| 22:55.05 | lindenle | !paste |
| 22:55.05 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 22:55.41 | Varange | hi all. How do I change the text that appears at a login console? |
| 22:56.04 | theD3viL | i cant umount things with user (using ivman) .. what's wrong? |
| 22:56.05 | valdyn | Varange: /etc/motd |
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| 22:56.10 | Varange | valdyn, thanks |
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| 22:56.37 | slept | can someone point me to a math channel ? Or maybe maple channel ? I need to evaluate the error function, but google is not a big help because of the word error... |
| 22:56.47 | wols | #math |
| 22:56.57 | valdyn | Varange: actually that file is autogenerated so you want not change that file directly |
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| 22:57.24 | slept | wols, thanks i didnt expect it to be that obvious |
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| 22:58.15 | lindenle | zood_: just paste the url into irc |
| 22:58.41 | wols | zood_: yes pastebin.com is broken for some time now. |
| 22:58.45 | wols | !paster |
| 22:58.45 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 22:58.48 | pumpkin0 | can i remount /usr while files are in use inside ? mount -o remount says i can, but iīm not so sure what happens to the opened files... ? (/usr is ro on this setup). |
| 22:58.52 | zood_ | lindenle: figured it out with that fdisk -l. it's on sda2 instead of sda1 |
| 22:58.55 | Varange | valdyn, oops, already did |
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| 22:59.05 | zood_ | lindenle and pipeline thanks for the help! |
| 22:59.09 | lindenle | zood_: excellent |
| 22:59.10 | wols | pumpkin0: whenever something wants to write something it might error. that's it |
| 22:59.26 | lindenle | zood_: you are welcome |
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| 22:59.42 | pumpkin0 | wols: so itīs no problem to switch /usr to another HD on the fly w/o rebooting ? |
| 22:59.58 | valdyn | Varange: /etc/motd.tail is the 2nd part its generated from |
| 23:00.21 | valdyn | Varange: there's some tool to generate /etc/motd from that ( and something else ), looking |
| 23:00.39 | DaBlade | pipeline, it doesn't appear to be mounted..well..anywhere. |
| 23:00.40 | theD3viL | i cant umount things with user (using ivman) .. what's wrong? |
| 23:01.09 | pipeline | DaBlade: no, no, no you fsck things while they're unmounted. |
| 23:01.12 | DaBlade | It doesn't even appear in /dev/* |
| 23:01.17 | pipeline | DaBlade: That's Bad. |
| 23:01.21 | DaBlade | No shit? |
| 23:01.21 | lindenle | valdyn: I think you can look at one of the init.d scripts to figure out how it works |
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| 23:01.44 | DaBlade | pipeline, any ideas? |
| 23:01.55 | mirak | is there a cd on command line that can handle favorites paths ? |
| 23:01.55 | Supaplex | !idea |
| 23:01.56 | dpkg | it has been said that idea is meaning you don't know. |
| 23:01.58 | wols | pumpkin0: imho no |
| 23:02.00 | Supaplex | !ideas |
| 23:02.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ideas is I was thinking of a plan to dye one's whiskers green, and always use so large a fan that they could not be seen. |
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| 23:02.12 | wols | well, it might |
| 23:02.17 | Supaplex | humm not the ones i was thinking of :p |
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| 23:02.21 | pipeline | DaBlade: No. Scan dmesg's boot output to see whether the controller was ever found. |
| 23:02.26 | wols | don't you have to unmount it then mount it again fromt he other disk? |
| 23:02.32 | valdyn | Varange: ok - you change /etc/motd.tail and run '/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh start' |
| 23:02.36 | DaBlade | pipeline, can I just pipe it to grep? |
| 23:02.43 | DaBlade | (and if so, what do I search for?) |
| 23:02.46 | wols | while you mount it again: where will you load mount and its libs from? |
| 23:02.54 | valdyn | Varange: your changed /etc/motd will be overwritten then. |
| 23:02.56 | pipeline | DaBlade: I suppose, but you would be better off piping to "less" or "more" and just looking with your eyes. |
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| 23:03.00 | valdyn | lindenle: thanks |
| 23:03.03 | mirak | cdargs - bookmarks and browsing for the cd command |
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| 23:03.16 | DaBlade | pipeline, k. |
| 23:03.20 | Varange | valdyn, thanks |
| 23:03.59 | Varange | valdyn, thanks again |
| 23:05.54 | Malagmyr | what's that totally basic mail program called? the one that's run from the console, just asks who you want to mail, you enter a message and it's done. |
| 23:06.16 | dendrite | Malagmyr: mail ? |
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| 23:07.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: shouldn't you be playing FFXII ? |
| 23:07.08 | Malagmyr | doh! |
| 23:07.39 | dendrite | Malagmyr: Only thing more basic than mail would be using sendmail or similar from the command line... |
| 23:08.11 | dendrite | Malagmyr: Or telnet mailhost 25 and have a nice EHELO conversation. :-) |
| 23:08.18 | Malagmyr | :) |
| 23:08.19 | Wyzard | abrotman: I don't even own FFXII... though I've been working on Xenosaga intermittently |
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| 23:08.32 | abrotman | Wyzard: you need to quit slacking and play some of those games! |
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| 23:09.30 | RvGaTe | phpnuborn, you there ? |
| 23:09.31 | pumpkin0 | wols: mount -o remount ... ? OK, testing anyway ... mount says it worked, but /usr still contains the old /usr (i had 1 file more on the other HD). something didnīt work, bad luck |
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| 23:10.12 | craigevil | FFXll? |
| 23:10.24 | abrotman | XII |
| 23:10.31 | abrotman | 12 .. not X el el |
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| 23:12.12 | calestyo | abrotman: eeyore-: Hi :) |
| 23:12.18 | abrotman | hi |
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| 23:13.10 | Dwonis | Does anyone remember what the name of that program that does a traceroute between two remote hosts (where both hosts are remote)? |
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| 23:13.18 | calestyo | abrotman: Ok some more news: Last night I did a gimps/mprime torture test on all my cores (4) for about 16 hours.... no errors at all no freezes... all results by mprime were correctly... (so the CPU should be ok) |
| 23:13.27 | bismark | help! -> http://rafb.net/paste/results/CSCpKf61.html |
| 23:13.52 | abrotman | WHOA .. you're screwed |
| 23:13.56 | calestyo | abrotman: today I did a 5 hour memtest86+ test,.. with the non-debian version,... 4 passes completet,.. no errors,.. no freeze |
| 23:14.06 | abrotman | hah |
| 23:14.17 | abrotman | cpuburn ? |
| 23:14.37 | calestyo | abrotman: you think I should do the whole thing with cpu burn too? |
| 23:15.17 | calestyo | abrotman: anyway,.. there seem to bee some differences between the debian version and the non-debian version,.. (as far as i can see the debian version is patched by the maintainer)... |
| 23:15.49 | calestyo | abrotman: original version detects nforce 4 as chipset and sets ecc to off,.. debian detects amd8000 and sets ecc to on |
| 23:16.17 | abrotman | calestyo: you probably want ECC on |
| 23:16.22 | calestyo | (my chipsets are actually nforce professional 2200, nforce professional 2050 and amd8131) ^^ |
| 23:17.04 | abrotman | i think there's a #memtest |
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| 23:17.06 | calestyo | abrotman: yes,.. but as far as i understood,.. for ecc to work correctly with memtest86+ it must support the chipset (don't ask me why)... |
| 23:17.06 | abrotman | somewhere |
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| 23:17.33 | calestyo | and the patch debian maintainer applies,... is maybe flawed... |
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| 23:17.48 | abrotman | well .. not on FN |
| 23:17.56 | calestyo | FN? |
| 23:17.58 | calestyo | oh |
| 23:18.00 | calestyo | freenode |
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| 23:18.16 | calestyo | well there is a forum and I'm currently talking to them,.. |
| 23:18.19 | abrotman | ok |
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| 23:18.26 | abrotman | maybe also contact the memtest maintainer |
| 23:18.27 | calestyo | I'm also going to file this in the bts |
| 23:18.30 | calestyo | :) |
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| 23:19.07 | ThomasPorter | I have an external drive plugged into my server, how do I set it up? |
| 23:19.29 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 23:19.29 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 23:20.18 | calestyo | abrotman: anyway... as of now i think my memory/cpu is probably totally ok (btw: on the memtest forum there was at least one other person who hat exactly the same problem,.. well except different hardware)... so I think I can calm down now :) |
| 23:20.37 | abrotman | calestyo: is the file still corrupted ? |
| 23:21.50 | calestyo | abrotman: you mean the fat32 issue? well only the copy was corrupted,... I tried some hours to reproduce the issue with extensive copying on the fat32 partition but was not able to found problems at all |
| 23:21.59 | calestyo | even during my gimps torture test |
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| 23:23.05 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:23.42 | ThomasPorter | How do I find out what sort of drive it is? |
| 23:23.54 | ThomasPorter | As in an external drive.. |
| 23:24.05 | abrotman | dmesg |
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| 23:26.30 | ThomasPorter | My drive is scsi2, so does that mean I write: /dev/scsi2 |
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| 23:27.59 | Malagmyr | esleep? the kind where you wake up with qwerty written backwards across your forehead? |
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| 23:29.27 | esleep | Malagmyr: hehe, no i'll just crawl into my bed now :) |
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| 23:34.49 | ThomasPorter | When I setup a DNS server, in what way should the domain name be configured to use ns1.. ns2 etc..? |
| 23:34.53 | Teller | ThomasPorter: Scsi devices show up as /dev/sdX where X is a letter from a to z |
| 23:35.16 | Teller | First harddrive on the first IDE cable is /dev/sda.. and so on |
| 23:35.17 | ThomasPorter | Teller, thanks :P I almost gave up |
| 23:35.34 | Teller | Hm.. Guess there's few SCSI disks on IDE cables.. but you catch my drift ;) |
| 23:35.48 | ThomasPorter | Teller, this ones a USB drive |
| 23:36.03 | Teller | Yeah, that's /dev/sdX as well |
| 23:36.29 | ThomasPorter | Does it matter what letter it is? Or just a random one not used by the others? |
| 23:36.44 | Teller | It's automatic once the disk is plugged in |
| 23:36.49 | Teller | You don't have to set it anywhere |
| 23:37.12 | Teller | But it's in order.. so your primary hd is sda, your secondary (slave) is sdb etc.. |
| 23:37.23 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 23:38.44 | Skiver | friggin' isp that does traffic shaping...bit torrent is not goin' to work for iso downloads |
| 23:38.59 | Teller | :/ |
| 23:39.37 | Teller | If you use encryption and non-standard ports you may get lucky |
| 23:39.49 | abrotman | the encryption would slow it down |
| 23:39.49 | Teller | .. if someone on the other end also has encryption turned on |
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| 23:40.16 | Teller | Not to the level an ISP can |
| 23:40.27 | abrotman | good for the ISP |
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| 23:40.44 | abrotman | ISPs should mirror linux distro stuff anyways :) |
| 23:40.52 | Skiver | Teller: no point here, i'm guessing their throttling international traffic which is not http or ftp. |
| 23:41.14 | Teller | Skiver: Sillyness galore |
| 23:41.17 | Skiver | abrotman, my ISP is the lousiest in the world. |
| 23:41.51 | abrotman | Skiver: you're on AOL ? |
| 23:42.00 | rambo3 | i have libapache2-mod-php5 and configured extentions in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and a2enmod php5 . and restarted . apache still asks if i want to download the ph |
| 23:42.06 | Skiver | abrotman, TM Net. |
| 23:42.17 | abrotman | rambo3: clear cache .. restart browser |
| 23:42.34 | ThomasPorter | server1:/dev# mount /mnt/usb |
| 23:42.35 | ThomasPorter | mount: /dev/sda already mounted or /mnt/usb busy |
| 23:42.44 | Teller | It's funny how AOL management can make a service that could be soo good be sooo bad |
| 23:42.56 | Teller | Because their tech guys are very skilled |
| 23:43.15 | ThomasPorter | Whats so bad about AOL? I never used it |
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| 23:43.32 | abrotman | ThomasPorter: don't you have a crappy ISP in your country? |
| 23:43.33 | rambo3 | abrotman, didnt help |
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| 23:43.46 | abrotman | rambo3: do it again :) |
| 23:43.53 | abrotman | rambo3: or try another browser |
| 23:44.14 | MickMcMack | Hi there, if I'm wanting to install Debian to a USB drive, can I just mount it and use "debootstrap --arch i386 /dev/sdb1 some_apt_rep" ? |
| 23:44.29 | tuv | i used to get a "USB printer" option in cups' web admin page when installing a printer. after a reinstall, i don't see that option any more. do i need to install a particular package to be able to install a usb printer? |
| 23:46.10 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 23:46.10 | dpkg | from memory, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 23:47.04 | tuv | what does a printer have to do with booting from usb?? |
| 23:47.16 | streuner_ | nothing? |
| 23:47.33 | tuv | hmm.. i was optimistic about getting attention |
| 23:47.35 | dendrite | tuv: MickMcMack was asking about booting from usb. |
| 23:47.44 | Wyzard | Actually, he was asking about installing *to* usb |
| 23:47.48 | tuv | dendrite, just realized :) |
| 23:47.52 | dendrite | tuv: You try printconf? |
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| 23:48.11 | tuv | dendrite, installed it, but nothing changed. do i need to run anything after installing it? |
| 23:48.11 | dendrite | Wyzard: Which is what I said, taking the leap to why you would want to .. oh, never mind. :-) |
| 23:48.14 | streuner_ | tuv: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 23:48.31 | sts | hello folks |
| 23:48.37 | tuv | streuner_, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:48.44 | tuv | streuner_, it's an ARM machine |
| 23:48.46 | abrotman | oh no! not that version! |
| 23:48.49 | streuner_ | tuv: uh |
| 23:49.03 | zood_ | with my ipod i've got to do `eject /dev/sda2` or so before disconnecting. is this something I should be doing with my usb flash drives also or is unmounting enough? |
| 23:49.06 | abrotman | usblp ? |
| 23:49.08 | streuner_ | tuv: so you upgrade from sarge? |
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| 23:49.24 | abrotman | zood_: unmount should be enough |
| 23:49.32 | tuv | abrotman, what's wrong with that version. i've got it on my laptop too |
| 23:49.44 | streuner_ | that's unstable |
| 23:49.45 | tuv | streuner_, no. etch |
| 23:49.48 | zood_ | abrotman: tnx |
| 23:50.03 | sts | my webserver went down today, and i don't know why. can somebody help me on finding the problems? apache worte [Sun Nov 05 06:25:12 2006] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down in the error.log, but i don't know why... |
| 23:50.07 | streuner_ | tuv: what kind of printer do you use? |
| 23:50.08 | abrotman | tuv: sracasm :) |
| 23:50.20 | th0ger | Is udev a replacement for hotplug? Or are the supposed to work together? |
| 23:50.27 | Wyzard | th0ger: udev replaces hotplug |
| 23:50.38 | tuv | streuner_, samsung ml-1610. used to work before i had to reinstall |
| 23:50.48 | Wyzard | They used to work together in the past, but hotplug is deprecated now |
| 23:50.51 | tuv | streuner_, a CHEAP samsung ml-1610. used to work before i had to reinstall |
| 23:50.53 | Supaplex | sts: sigterm suggests it was ... shutdown locally. does it restart? |
| 23:51.11 | Skiver | abrotman: you don't expect an ISP that offers m$ outlook web access for isp mailbox to serve linux distro mirrors. |
| 23:51.33 | streuner_ | tuv: usually after an upgrade its enough to just configure it via the webinterface |
| 23:52.01 | streuner_ | try that first |
| 23:52.12 | tuv | streuner_, no upgrade. i had to format and reinstall debian. now the web interface does not show the printer and does not offer the usb option when adding a printer |
| 23:52.20 | abrotman | Skiver: never know |
| 23:52.41 | streuner_ | tuv: hm, sounds like a kernel issue then |
| 23:52.53 | th0ger | My problem is, when i install udev (instead of hotplug), my usb-keyboard is not rekogniced at startup :( |
| 23:52.58 | sts | Supaplex: yes. |
| 23:53.07 | tuv | streuner_, it used to show the printer without adding or any conf in the "Administration page" to help installing it, autodetected. now nothing |
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| 23:53.19 | tuv | streuner_, same kernel. lsusb shows the printer |
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| 23:53.24 | sts | Supaplex: but it is a production system, and i need to preevent suchthings. |
| 23:53.28 | tuv | streuner_, it looks like a cups thing to me |
| 23:53.43 | streuner_ | tuv: ok, did you look at BTS yet? |
| 23:54.01 | Supaplex | sts: was it from a configuration change, or logs rotating? |
| 23:54.08 | tuv | streuner_, about which package? |
| 23:54.17 | streuner_ | tuv: cupsys or such |
| 23:55.29 | Teller | sts: grep -R "06 06:25" /var/log/* is a good start |
| 23:56.19 | sts | Supaplex: when i restartd the webserver it didn't start up properly because the stored configuration changed since last startup and a module couldn't be loaded. but actually this didn't affect the running system, as it had loaded the configuration earlier... |
| 23:56.23 | streuner_ | tuv: does any other USB device work, btw? |
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| 23:56.39 | sanmarcos | how can I remove a package that fails on install (some weird script it runs) and on remove ? |
| 23:56.40 | tuv | streuner_, yes. |
| 23:56.45 | ThomasPorter | nnoy($0-) |
| 23:56.45 | ThomasPorter | <Quiznos> wth |
| 23:56.45 | ThomasPorter | <Fieldy> tiny: Nederlander? |
| 23:56.45 | ThomasPorter | <headmonkey> your gonna be late for work |
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| 23:56.59 | tuv | streuner_, a disk and a ups |
| 23:57.02 | darrend | hi. I just tried to install libapache2-svn and borked my apache2. Child processes continually segfault. Is this a known issue? |
| 23:57.24 | tuv | streuner_, oh.. i guess in know what's missing now |
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| 23:57.41 | sanmarcos | how can I remove a package that fails on install (some weird script it runs) and on remove ? |
| 23:57.55 | Arafangion | My wifi card is apparently a "Texas Instruments" card, does this work in Linux? |
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| 23:58.04 | abrotman | sanmarcos: make the scripts exit 0 |
| 23:58.12 | abrotman | Arafangion: that's not gonna be enough info |
| 23:58.17 | Teller | Arafangion: Get the revision and model number, impossible to say therwise |
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| 23:58.19 | Teller | otherwise* |
| 23:59.20 | Arafangion | Teller: Rev 0 |
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| 23:59.27 | ThomasPorter | server1:/media/usb0# mount /media/usb0 |
| 23:59.28 | ThomasPorter | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 23:59.34 | Arafangion | ThomasPorter: Probably vfat |
| 23:59.37 | Teller | Arafangion: Still not enough |
| 23:59.40 | th0ger | How to purge an already removed package with apt-get? |
| 23:59.48 | Arafangion | Teller: /proc/pci isn't giving me much info. |
| 23:59.48 | abrotman | !tell ThomasPorter about vfatrw |
| 23:59.50 | streuner_ | !purge |
| 23:59.51 | dpkg | purge is, like, to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c' |
| 23:59.51 | abrotman | !tell ThomasPorter about usb storage |
